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Title: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:25:32 AM
for a 2020 3rd rounder and 2021 5th rounder


per schefter
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2019, 11:25:48 AM
Delete mine
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:28:00 AM
Delete mine

okie dokie
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:28:57 AM
the Giants are a turd...so that should turn out to be a high 3rd rounder.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 11:29:17 AM
First ever trade between the Jets and Giants
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2019, 11:29:17 AM
Not bad.  Not great either.  Now we have more reason to pull against those asshats.  Better pick for us.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2019, 11:29:45 AM
He'll play against us in 2 weeks.  Weird.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: mj2sexay on October 28, 2019, 11:30:26 AM
I'll give Douglas this, it takes a pretty impressive set of balls to deal this guy across town.

If he succeeds, he has to know the excrement he's going to get over this.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:32:43 AM
We got a better haul than we would've risking him walking and may or may not have gotten a compensatory pick
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
We got a better haul than we would've risking him walking and may or may not have gotten a compensatory pick
And we don't have to pay him. 
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2019, 11:35:36 AM
We can draft another D lineman in the top 10, rinse, repeat.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:36:01 AM
And we don't have to pay him. 

he's not going to command a big salary anyway.  Unless he somehow morphs into a sack machine for the Giants, which i don't see happening (this season anyway).
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 11:36:44 AM
5th rounder turns into a 4th if the Giants sign him to an extension
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:37:31 AM
3rd rounder turns into a 4th if the Giants sign him to an extension
wut
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Miamipuck on October 28, 2019, 11:41:02 AM
If he signs the 5 becomes a 4.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:42:20 AM
If he signs the 5 becomes a 4.

that makes more sense
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 11:45:41 AM
I like the trade. Especially if we end up getting an extra 4th for him.

Ain't paying the dude regardless and i have zero worries about a DL who can't rush the passer turning into a star
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
this trade should free up Quinnen to get some playing time.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2019, 11:50:47 AM
Quote
Brian Costello

@BrianCoz


The entire 2015 jets draft class is now gone. #nyj
12:47 PM · Oct 28, 2019·

Crazy, it's only 2019. Can't imagine why we're a bad team, this should be their prime.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 11:52:19 AM
No players remain from the 2015 draft.

#DuffNinja
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: WD40 on October 28, 2019, 11:58:31 AM
Only two active players and I'm not sure if Devin Smith counts.  Jesus.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: mj2sexay on October 28, 2019, 12:03:27 PM
It's a horrible look.

In fairness to Mac, look at the top 10 of that draft. Yeesh.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on October 28, 2019, 12:06:58 PM
TBH, have any of you check out that draft class league wide? It's tough to find a superstar in that whole class, even 10 very good players is a stretch. All-in-all, the draft class looks rather abysmal.

Having no players on the team after 4 years is bad of course, but it has something to do with the pool of players also.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 28, 2019, 12:09:56 PM
His first sack of the season will be of Darnold
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2019, 12:14:01 PM
TBH, have any of you check out that draft class league wide? It's tough to find a superstar in that whole class, even 10 very good players is a stretch. All-in-all, the draft class looks rather abysmal.

Having no players on the team after 4 years is bad of course, but it has something to do with the pool of players also.

This might be the case, but we do this with every draft. In 2014 we had the Idzik 12 and the're all gone except for Enunwa who has been little help for a long time. Pretty sure 2013 and 2016 aren't much better, 2017 we got our safeties, 2018 Darnold, not much else.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Heismanberg on October 28, 2019, 12:15:16 PM
Should be a pretty high third rounder

Nice spot to grab interior offensive linemen and skill players that slide

Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 12:16:13 PM
TBH, have any of you check out that draft class league wide? It's tough to find a superstar in that whole class, even 10 very good players is a stretch. All-in-all, the draft class looks rather abysmal.

Having no players on the team after 4 years is bad of course, but it has something to do with the pool of players also.

Don’t really disagree with your point, but Vic Beasley was taken 2 picks later.

Leo:
17 sacks
2 FF
4 PD

Beasley:
31 sacks
9 FF
11 PD
2 TDs
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2019, 12:22:53 PM
Pretty much(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191028/aaafb22f434209463961bcc4be2bc79e.jpg)
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 12:37:12 PM
Quote
Giants wanted Williams, but holdup was money. NYG didn’t have cap to add his contract.

Two sides overcame obstacle by NYJ agreeing to pay $4m of $6m remaining base
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 12:37:36 PM
The reality is the dude would've been a huge waste of cap anyway.

So this is a lot better than either wasting the money or waiting for a possible comp pick.

Not sure why the giants wanted him
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 12:50:50 PM
3rd rounder is the Giants pick, not the Landon Collins comp pick. Can't trade it since they don't have it yet
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: reuben on October 28, 2019, 01:30:27 PM
Great move.  Never thought we'd get a 3rd, let alone a third and then some. 
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Libero_2 on October 28, 2019, 02:31:21 PM
Great move.  Never thought we'd get a 3rd, let alone a third and then some. 

Much better than just a computer pick for walking
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Jumbo on October 28, 2019, 03:02:52 PM
Don’t really disagree with your point, but Vic Beasley was taken 2 picks later.

Leo:
17 sacks
2 FF
4 PD

Beasley:
31 sacks
9 FF
11 PD
2 TDs


Beasley is absolute derriere lol. Leonard had this level of trade value on an expiring $15 million deal. You couldn't pay most teams to take on Beasley on his option.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: insanity on October 28, 2019, 03:10:21 PM
All things considered its not like we whiffed here.  Leonard has been one of the better players of the 1st round.
2015 was one of the worst 1st rounds ever.

(http://imgur.com/Ha8O1KF)

The only players worthy of a big 2nd contract are
-  Amari Cooper (Got traded)
-  Brandon Scherff
-  Melvin Gordon (Having trouble getting the money he wants)
-  Byron Jones
-  Todd Gurley (Injured and has been a shell of himself)
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 28, 2019, 04:04:49 PM
Beasley sucks too.

Leonard was fine here. Class act. No issues. Played well. Didnt live up to the pick.

Great job getting value for him before he walks. Great trade.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: reuben on October 28, 2019, 04:07:11 PM
He definitely deserves props for never missing a game. 
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 28, 2019, 04:20:44 PM

2015 was one of the worst 1st rounds ever.


-  Melvin Gordon (Having trouble getting the money he wants)
-  Todd Gurley (Injured and has been a shell of himself)

Killing me.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 28, 2019, 04:28:34 PM
Love this trade. Gain as many resources as we can in draft capital and cap relief and funnel them all into the offensive line and receiving corps. I'm assuming Robby will be the next shoe to drop.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2019, 06:35:12 PM
Beasley sucks too.

Leonard was fine here. Class act. No issues. Played well. Didnt live up to the pick.

Great job getting value for him before he walks. Great trade.
Beasley would have been the best Jets pass rusher of this decade.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: insanity on October 28, 2019, 06:55:29 PM
Just realized my image never pasted in my last post.  The quality of talent in the first round was pathetic in 2015.
(https://i.ibb.co/Bq1h8fp/2015-1st-Round.jpg)
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2019, 09:02:00 PM
I'm still bummed that Kevin White never panned out.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 10:29:15 PM
https://twitter.com/backaftathis/status/1188989914773446656?s=21
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: reuben on October 28, 2019, 10:40:30 PM
If he signs the 5 becomes a 4.

We're going to get Vilma'd out of that 4th rounder.  I guarantee it. 

Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Libero_2 on October 29, 2019, 05:02:38 AM
We're going to get Vilma'd out of that 4th rounder.  I guarantee it. 



I believe I read the language was “before the new league year starts” so I imagine he resigns at 4:02 pm on the date of the new league year
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2019, 07:35:06 AM
https://twitter.com/backaftathis/status/1188989914773446656?s=21

Lol back afta this.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: dcm1602 on October 29, 2019, 10:21:05 AM
I believe I read the language was “before the new league year starts” so I imagine he resigns at 4:02 pm on the date of the new league year

I mean we did trade him to another NY team playing on the same stadium so it's not like he had to move or anything.

If they're going to wait for the new contract year we might as well make a play for him, just for the giggles of trading a guy and signing him back a few weeks later in free agency
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2019, 12:46:08 AM
Can we please stop drafting first round DLine only to lose them about three years later? Thanks.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Miamipuck on November 02, 2019, 05:04:19 AM
Can we please stop drafting first round DLine only to lose them about three years later? Thanks.

No
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2020, 11:37:02 AM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1282712688834027522?s=19
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 13, 2020, 01:05:28 PM
"standout" lmfao
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2021, 04:49:42 PM
Leonard Williams with 3 sacks today, bringing his season total to 11.5
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 03, 2021, 04:52:30 PM
Obligatory "Of course"
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2021, 01:30:02 PM
https://twitter.com/mmehtasports/status/1388561065437540355?s=21
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: ons on May 02, 2021, 02:30:06 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1282712688834027522?s=19

I'm still bitter, that pick should have been a fourth. They just timed it so he officially put pen to paper a day or two into the new league year even though it seems obvious they had already agreed to an extension.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 02, 2021, 05:24:45 PM
I'm still bitter, that pick should have been a fourth. They just timed it so he officially put pen to paper a day or two into the new league year even though it seems obvious they had already agreed to an extension.

i feel like every extension - contingent deal ends up occurring like this. at least it's happened to the jets before. i specifically remember this occurring with the vilma trade to the saints.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2021, 06:04:49 PM
i feel like every extension - contingent deal ends up occurring like this. at least it's happened to the jets before. i specifically remember this occurring with the vilma trade to the saints.
You'd think they'd change the language of the deal by now e.g. "4th becomes a 3rd if player is on your roster in X year"
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 02, 2021, 07:58:38 PM
You'd think they'd change the language of the deal by now e.g. "4th becomes a 3rd if player is on your roster in X year"

i was thinking this as i was making that post but i'm sure there's some clause or stipulation in the CBA that wouldn't allow this to happen for whatever reason
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2021, 09:30:30 PM
i was thinking this as i was making that post but i'm sure there's some clause or stipulation in the CBA that wouldn't allow this to happen for whatever reason
Yeah, that's the only explanation for why that isn't the norm.
Title: Re: Jets Trade Leonard Williams to Giants
Post by: Libero_2 on May 02, 2021, 09:46:21 PM
Yeah, that's the only explanation for why that isn't the norm.

Or it's basically a 'farce' for teams that give up the player to say "look what we got!" but in reality are comfortable accepting x pick thats a round lower.