Post by: Jumbo on September 01, 2019, 11:46:57 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 01, 2019, 12:01:13 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 01, 2019, 12:03:26 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 01, 2019, 12:06:01 PM
Once again, Gase loves his slot receivers.
Good insurance behind Jamison Crowder
Post by: bojanglesman on September 01, 2019, 01:28:54 PM
Kerley available?
Post by: reuben on September 01, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
Post by: insanity on September 01, 2019, 03:46:07 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 01, 2019, 03:58:53 PM
If Dortch goes, who is our punt returner?
Braxton Berrios is a punt returner
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 01, 2019, 04:46:04 PM
I don't see why Dortch is in jeopardy. Dude clearly has the potential to be a big weapon for us and Braxton Berrios has never taken an NFL snap.Does he? I like Dortch but why does he clearly have more potential than Berrios?
Post by: reuben on September 01, 2019, 04:56:34 PM
I don't see why Dortch is in jeopardy. Dude clearly has the potential to be a big weapon for us and Braxton Berrios has never taken an NFL snap.
Whelp...
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 01, 2019, 09:48:14 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 01, 2019, 11:44:57 PM
Quite frankly, I'm not sure if either guy has what it takes to be a quality wide receiver, but Berrios probably has a better chance. As punt returners, it's probably a wash.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 21, 2019, 01:24:16 PM
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Post by: Libero_2 on December 21, 2019, 01:31:18 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 21, 2019, 03:39:08 PM
the other thing that crazy is that he doesn't even have a long return to bring up his average. His long is 26 yards, 5th shorters on the list. That means he is getting us 11 yards virtually every time.This is what he did in college too. He averaged more yards per punt return than Dortch but he had fewer flashy big returns.
It is nice seeing Andre Roberts down on that list though.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 21, 2019, 05:08:07 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2019, 08:28:36 PM
This is what he did in college too. He averaged more yards per punt return than Dortch but he had fewer flashy big returns.
It is nice seeing Andre Roberts down on that list though.
ERRONEOUS ON ALL ACCOUNTS
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2019, 08:29:30 PM
Brant Boyer Superstar
Sam Ficken has hit multiple NFL FG attempts, Boyer is a Godking
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 23, 2019, 08:22:01 AM
Berrios clearly has good field vision once he gets moving. My issue with him earlier in the year was that he seemed reluctant to try to run, and fair caught too many behind the 10. But the past few weeks, he's been on fire.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 23, 2019, 08:26:46 AM
Boyer really is fantastic.
Berrios clearly has good field vision once he gets moving. My issue with him earlier in the year was that he seemed reluctant to try to run, and fair caught too many behind the 10. But the past few weeks, he's been on fire.
If only we had a kicker with reasonable talent, and Boyer would likely be universally recognized as one of the top ST guys in the league if not the top.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 23, 2019, 11:36:31 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2020, 11:42:30 AM
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Braxton Berrios picked up 34 yards on 8 receptions yesterday. That's 4.3 yards per reception, the lowest average by a WR on at least 5 catches in #Jets history.
Dortch’s Revenge
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 12:23:52 PM
Dortch’s Revenge
Is this like Montezuma's Revenge?
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 12:25:07 PM
Is this like Montezuma's Revenge?
Except with more blood.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 25, 2021, 02:00:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2021, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2021, 10:56:02 AM
https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1443391928825942016?s=21Yeah but the route was flawless
Post by: reuben on September 30, 2021, 11:10:13 AM
https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1443391928825942016?s=21
Zach's fault, it was outside of Berrios' 12-inch catch radius.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2021, 11:21:52 AM
GVR is going to get Zach killed
Post by: bojanglesman on September 30, 2021, 11:57:49 AM
Post by: reuben on September 30, 2021, 12:14:59 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 30, 2021, 12:23:57 PM
Berrios should have caught it, but it wasn't a good throw either. He's been the most reliable receiver we have, not that it says a lot.Throw is fine. He's gotta catch that if he wants to be an NFL receiver. It could have been lower, it could have had more touch, but the throw was very catchable, and Wilson was under some duress.
I feel we run through this cycle with every young Jets QB. So many plays close to happening, but receivers can never make enough plays on the ball, so we end up blaming the quarterback for throwing a B ball instead of an A+ ball.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 30, 2021, 12:45:22 PM
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2021, 01:33:49 PM
Love how Wilson gets clobbered at the end of that hot mess of a play. I swear if he is walking upright at the end of the season that's at least worth 6 or 7 wins right there.As Jets fans we lead the league in innovating new forms of moral victories.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 30, 2021, 01:54:00 PM
As Jets fans we lead the league in innovating new forms of moral victories.
What else can we look forward to besides pain and suffering? Being a Jets fan, happiness is just an enlarged prostate away.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2021, 02:06:10 PM
As Jets fans we lead the league in innovating new forms of moral victories.
Ammendola dropping bomb punts week 1 was the highlight of the season so far for me
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 30, 2021, 02:16:48 PM
Ammendola dropping bomb punts week 1 was the highlight of the season so far for meMy highlight of the year was a Jets incompletion.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2021, 05:48:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 28, 2021, 07:38:12 AM
Post by: insanity on November 28, 2021, 09:20:13 AM
Berrios is top 5 in the NFL in both kickoff and punt return average.He's also top 5 in being s scrappy route running that is more quick than fast.
Post by: reuben on November 28, 2021, 09:27:39 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 28, 2021, 10:50:02 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 28, 2021, 11:01:00 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 28, 2021, 11:43:41 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 28, 2021, 12:22:16 PM
Backup slot receiver and primary punt returner is a fine role for Berrios. He's not a flashy punt returner, but he consistently picks up yards.And most importantly doesn't muff the freaking punt.
Post by: Johnny English on November 28, 2021, 10:04:55 PM
And most importantly doesn't muff the freaking punt.
This was an incredibly stupid post to make at1:22 on a Sunday. You got lucky.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2021, 06:32:15 AM
Post by: delavan on November 29, 2021, 07:26:36 AM
And most importantly doesn't muff the freaking punt.And more importantly he pumps the freaking muff
https://pagesix.com/2021/05/13/olivia-culpo-sister-start-rivalry-over-battling-nfl-boyfriends/
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2021, 08:36:12 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2021, 11:09:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2021, 11:10:24 PM
Never doubted this guy
Day 1 supporter
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2021, 05:29:15 AM
Yeah hopefully this guy eventually has to watch his entire family die in a fireHaha
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 30, 2021, 06:44:48 AM
Post by: Gorilla on December 30, 2021, 12:19:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2022, 11:08:24 PM
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The Culture has CHANGED!! I've been telling y'all… the Jets are DIFFERENT this year. This is just the beginning!
@TheRealBraxtonBerrios
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2022, 11:51:49 AM
Keep in mind Nick Spano has less sources than he does hoes
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 12:09:55 PM
https://twitter.com/ustadium/status/1478058296313532420?s=21
Keep in mind Nick Spano has less sources than he does hoes
Spano slander is elite content
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 12:32:48 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 03, 2022, 12:56:52 PM
"Starts extension talks" is the easiest scoop for any "reporter/fan" to make up.
Is it easier to make up than Pauline suggesting that the Jets don't want Becton back because he is out injured this year, because he's sloppy fatz?
Post by: insanity on January 03, 2022, 01:03:05 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2022, 01:05:41 PM
As long as we don't open the season next year with him as our 3rd reciever I'm happy about this.
I would assume he'll be a straight-up replacement for Crowder as our slot guy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2022, 01:37:13 PM
I would assume he'll be a straight-up replacement for Crowder as our slot guy.
So this scenario means we don’t procure any upgrades at WR via FA or the draft
I prefer to draft a WR high, go into the season with Davis/Moore/Rookie as the 1-3. I’m fine with Berrios as the slot specialist and the 4th WR on the depth chart.
Not a big fan of not trying to upgrade at WR
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 01:47:01 PM
So this scenario means we don’t procure any upgrades at WR via FA or the draft
I prefer to draft a WR high, go into the season with Davis/Moore/Rookie as the 1-3. I’m fine with Berrios as the slot specialist and the 4th WR on the depth chart.
Not a big fan of not trying to upgrade at WR
I don't see it that way.
Elijah Moore would be getting these end arounds and quick hitters, not Berrios. If you put both of them out there at the same time, you can do a lot to keep defenses off balance.
You want multiple skill guys that can do the same things because if one goes down late in the week or during a game, you don't want to scrap a chunk of what you've prepared for.
This offense needs help outside and vertically. Berrios and Moore give us two versatile weapons inside with similar skillsets as ball carriers and slot options. Moore is just more capable as a receiver. Bringing him back shouldn't prohibit this team from going after an outside WR in FA or high in the draft or both. I think it makes a smaller wideout like Michael Gallup less of an option, but that's okay.
We've let good return specialists go several times and it never really works out for us. A Berrios extension gives us depth that we've lacked for what feels like forever and it solidifies a piece of our special teams.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 01:49:51 PM
A slot option (Crowder), WR 4 (Cole), a WR6 (J. Smith), 2 practice squad guys (V. Smith and Montgomery), and an absolute bum (Mims).
You can turn over the wideout room in a hurry by adding one big time playmaker in the top ten and by signing a quality vet that he hoped Cole would be.
Top Ten Pick (Jameson Williams/Treylon Burks/Garrett Wilson)
Corey Davis
Elijah Moore
Braxton Berrios
Veteran Depth
Late Rounder
PS Type
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 01:53:38 PM
I think the draft is the best place to supplement Davis, Moore and Berrios. That is a competent WR threesome, especially if Moore takes a big step forward like I think he will. However, I would like someone there that can really push Davis and Berrios and give us depth. If we draft a WR high, they can push Davis and Berrios both into slightly smaller roles at the beginning of the season, and ideally by the end of their rookie season, the rookie is playing more than either of them.
Then you can have whoever else compete for WR5 and WR6 (Mims, Smiths, Montgomery, UDFAs, veteran FAs, late picks, etc).
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 03, 2022, 01:55:14 PM
The wideouts that should be gone in 2022 are Jamison Crowder, Keelan Cole, Jeff Smith, Vyncint Smith, DJ Montgomery, and Denzel Mims.
A slot option (Crowder), WR 4 (Cole), a WR6 (J. Smith), 2 practice squad guys (V. Smith and Montgomery), and an absolute bum (Mims).
You can turn over the wideout room in a hurry by adding one big time playmaker in the top ten and by signing a quality vet that he hoped Cole would be.
Top Ten Pick (Jameson Williams/Treylon Burks/Garrett Wilson)
Corey Davis
Elijah Moore
Braxton Berrios
Veteran Depth
Late Rounder
PS Type
i had low hopes for cole going into the season when literally all of the material we got from him during one jets drive, which is literally made for fluff pieces on our players, consisted of him displaying class-clown type behavior in the locker room, and had nothing to do with what he'd give us on the field LOL
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 01:57:39 PM
i had low hopes for cole going into the season when literally all of the material we got from him during one jets drive, which is literally made for fluff pieces on our players, consisted of him displaying class-clown type behavior in the locker room, and had nothing to do with what he'd give us on the field LOL1JD prepared me for a Year 3 Darnold disappointment when all they showed were his USC highlights in the Darnold fluff video.
Cole nearly had the catch of the year for us, too. I'm not even necessarily opposed to bringing him back to compete for the WR5 job as that veteran depth in Heismanberg's chart. He'll probably come extremely cheap, and he knows the offense and Zach.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 02:00:41 PM
I doubt Douglas and our offensive coaching staff are going to beg him to stay.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 02:06:27 PM
Then you can have whoever else compete for WR5 and WR6 (Mims, Smiths, Montgomery, UDFAs, veteran FAs, late picks, etc).
Mims can't cover kicks/punts and he can't get on the field over Jeff Smith and DJ Montgomery. He's gone.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 02:08:18 PM
Cole isn't terrible and I wouldn't be opposed to bring him back as depth. He seems like a good locker room guy. I just think he'll look for a bigger opportunity in free agency.I don't think there are that many bigger opportunities for guys coming off a 25-395-0 season with a 52% catch rate who were virtually invisible when they got opportunities. There is no way he is coming anywhere near $5M guaranteed next offseason. He's at the point of his career where he'll have to earn his way onto a roster as a 28-year old coming off a down season IMO. Maybe I'm underrating him a bit.
I doubt Douglas and our offensive coaching staff are going to beg him to stay.
I'm really curious what Berrios' market could be. He'll have around 500 receiving yards at the end of the season, which would be a career high, so that isn't great production. But he's a good punt returner, catches a lot of passes, is extremely fast, scored touchdowns in multiple ways, and he is still 26. He's a team somebody could overpay, hoping they are getting a player on the rise. I don't think he would get the Jamison Crowder contract, but he might come close.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 02:10:51 PM
Mims can't cover kicks/punts and he can't get on the field over Jeff Smith and DJ Montgomery. He's gone.Agreed, but unless they trade him for someone else's spare part, you might as well see what he's got with one healthy offseason.
He's under contract, and you have to think he sees his career on the line heading into next offseason and will come in as strong as he can be. And if he continues what he was this season, you can cut him in camp. If he shows some of the reasons JD drafted him, you can stash him. But you're right, he'll have to show a lot to become a worthy stash, since he can't play special teams.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 02:12:31 PM
I'm really curious what Berrios' market could be.
We shouldn't let him test the market.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2022, 02:23:26 PM
As long as we don't open the season next year with him as our 3rd reciever I'm happy about this.
Top Ten Pick (Jameson Williams/Treylon Burks/Garrett Wilson)
Corey Davis
Elijah Moore
Braxton Berrios
Veteran Depth
Late Rounder
PS Type
This is what I was getting at. Ideally we draft someone high that slots into our top 3 receivers. This is less about Berrios and more about us needing additional help outside, as you said.
We have a really good core right now, adding a 1/1A WR would be all I can ask for Zach to have.
Get him a TE that can do something beyond being a traffic cone out there and let’s freaking cook.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 02:25:47 PM
This is what I was getting at. Ideally we draft someone high that slots into our top 3 receivers. This is less about Berrios and more about us needing additional help outside, as you said.We should look at Berrios as about a 30% snap guy. Let the other guys also play some slot. Burks and Williams play a lot out of the slot. Moore played a lot out of the slot in college. If Berrios earns more time or guys get hurt, he can play more.
We have a really good core right now, adding a 1/1A WR would be all I can ask for Zach to have.
Get him a TE that can do something beyond being a traffic cone out there and let’s freaking cook.
Berrios might not like that, but we can lock him up first and get the draft pick later.
Post by: reuben on January 03, 2022, 02:30:41 PM
We shouldn't let him test the market.
Definitely not.
There's one wide receiver in the league with whom Zach Wilson has proven, well-documented chemistry: Braxton Berrios. This is a Sanchez-Cotchery, Darnold-Anderson situation. Don't deprive a young quarterback of his most familiar weapon. We can afford to pay him, so pay him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2022, 02:45:41 PM
We shouldn't let him test the market.
100% this.
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
Agreed, but unless they trade him for someone else's spare part, you might as well see what he's got with one healthy offseason.
Mims feels exactly like one of those trades, where we swap him for someone else's draft failure with a year or two of their rookie deal left and we all see if a change of scenery helps either of them. I can't remember the last time one worked out, but it probably still stands a better chance of working than hoping Mims suddenly sees the light.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 02:55:27 PM
Mims feels exactly like one of those trades, where we swap him for someone else's draft failure with a year or two of their rookie deal left and we all see if a change of scenery helps either of them. I can't remember the last time one worked out, but it probably still stands a better chance of working than hoping Mims suddenly sees the light.Mims for Jachai Polite.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2022, 03:01:26 PM
Mims for Jachai Polite.
He has to be on a team for a trade to happen.
Post by: reuben on January 03, 2022, 03:04:28 PM
Post by: insanity on January 03, 2022, 03:07:02 PM
We should look at Berrios as about a 30% snap guy. Let the other guys also play some slot. Burks and Williams play a lot out of the slot. Moore played a lot out of the slot in college. If Berrios earns more time or guys get hurt, he can play more.This.
Berrios might not like that, but we can lock him up first and get the draft pick later.
Zach isn't good enough for Berrios to be a starter in this offense. He needs more help. Let berrios fill in in the same way he is now, but moore should be taking over the crowder role.
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2022, 03:14:29 PM
I'm really curious what Berrios' market could be. He'll have around 500 receiving yards at the end of the season, which would be a career high, so that isn't great production. But he's a good punt returner, catches a lot of passes, is extremely fast, scored touchdowns in multiple ways, and he is still 26. He's a team somebody could overpay, hoping they are getting a player on the rise. I don't think he would get the Jamison Crowder contract, but he might come close.
Crowder had 3 yr $28.5M ($9.5M pa, $17M gtd) as per Spotrac.
I don't really have much to say other than I'm also curious to see what it'll take to lock him down. Are we willing to go up to $8M pa?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2022, 03:20:28 PM
Crowder had 3 yr $28.5M ($9.5M pa, $17M gtd) as per Spotrac.
I don't really have much to say other than I'm also curious to see what it'll take to lock him down. Are we willing to go up to $8M pa?
I'd say no. Crowder hasn't played a full season for us in the last two years.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 03, 2022, 03:20:55 PM
Crowder had 3 yr $28.5M ($9.5M pa, $17M gtd) as per Spotrac.
I don't really have much to say other than I'm also curious to see what it'll take to lock him down. Are we willing to go up to $8M pa?
we gave henry anderson 8 mil / yr
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2022, 03:21:34 PM
I'd say no. Crowder hasn't played a full season for us in the last two years.I meant can Berrios come close to the numbers Crowder got?
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2022, 03:22:07 PM
we gave henry anderson 8 mil / yrGood point.
Berrios 5 yr $40M ($20M gtd) incoming
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2022, 03:24:08 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1478046641005420546?t=ZYA8ELNV37NQ4sFife6gpg&s=19
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
That's what I mean. It's easy to say we need to lock him down now, and I think we need to try, but I'd be surprised if it would take less than $5M per year before hitting the market. We just gave Keelan Cole $5.5M and $5M guaranteed, and his production in his last year in Jacksonville isn't much different than Berrios.
Crowder had 3 yr $28.5M ($9.5M pa, $17M gtd) as per Spotrac.
I don't really have much to say other than I'm also curious to see what it'll take to lock him down. Are we willing to go up to $8M pa?
Kendrick Bourne got 3-yr/$15M from the Patriots. That would be the type of contract I would try to give to Berrios. He might wait for the market to see if he can do better.
Did anyone think JFM was getting 4-yr/$55M?
To be clear, I don't think he gets Crowder money. Maccagnan overpaid for him. But I don't think we'll be able to lock up Berrios cheap. It's going to take something of an investment.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2022, 03:27:19 PM
I meant can Berrios come close to the numbers Crowder got?
Ah. My b.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 03:56:14 PM
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2022, 04:00:46 PM
That's what I mean. It's easy to say we need to lock him down now, and I think we need to try, but I'd be surprised if it would take less than $5M per year before hitting the market. We just gave Keelan Cole $5.5M and $5M guaranteed, and his production in his last year in Jacksonville isn't much different than Berrios.5 yrs $35M
Kendrick Bourne got 3-yr/$15M from the Patriots. That would be the type of contract I would try to give to Berrios. He might wait for the market to see if he can do better.
Did anyone think JFM was getting 4-yr/$55M?
To be clear, I don't think he gets Crowder money. Maccagnan overpaid for him. But I don't think we'll be able to lock up Berrios cheap. It's going to take something of an investment.
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2022, 04:34:23 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 05:14:38 PM
I'm trying to think of a current comparable, a top end PR/KR who can also play a solid role as a receiver or a rusher. Best I can come up with is Cordarrelle Patterson who's a different type of player but plays a similar kind of all purpose role. He's a multiple time All Pro and Pro Bowler with better numbers than Berrios, albeit he's been on better teams most of his career, and he's never made more than $5M a year.
maybe Jakeem Grant
4 years, $24M extension and he was probably overpaid
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 05:30:34 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2022, 05:36:43 PM
maybe Jakeem Grant
4 years, $24M extension and he was probably overpaid
Yeah, that's a better one. I'm good with the Jets using him as a comparable, with the cap expected to go over $200M next season I see no problem giving $6M to a good quality and well proven all purpose player like Berrios who has established chemistry with the long term face of the franchise.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 03, 2022, 06:46:56 PM
I am tired of seeing this franchise let good special teams player walk
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2022, 06:52:56 PM
I think it's a consensus that we should resign Berrios...but will the front office be smart (for once) and bring back, not only a great special teams player, but a solid WR?"For once"
I am tired of seeing this franchise let good special teams player walk
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2022, 07:36:15 PM
I agree that he shouldn’t see Free Agency, but within reason.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 03, 2022, 09:08:25 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 09:22:40 PM
What are the e thoughts between drafting a top 10 guy and signing a top tier guy like a Devante Adams or a Allan Robinson if they shake free of their current spots?
Overkill
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 09:58:00 PM
Christian Kirk is another guy we can potentially look at as an upgrade over Berrios as a receiver.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 10:03:57 PM
Christian Kirk is another guy we can potentially look at as an upgrade over Berrios as a receiver.
Kirk would eliminate the need for WR in the top ten.
Davis
Moore
Kirk
Berrios
Rookie (second or third round)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2022, 10:06:49 PM
Kirk would eliminate the need for WR in the top ten.
Davis
Moore
Kirk
Berrios
Rookie (second or third round)
I was just about to say I could settle for a lower round WR as long as we add a legit FA to our group.
Lets up draft more Gords with very high picks
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 10:13:48 PM
I'm hoping Saleh and JD fix the defense in free agency though. Go spend big on JC Jackson and some LBs. WR should be a middle tier need in FA.
Post by: insanity on January 03, 2022, 10:18:46 PM
If we can sign someone that can actually play like Christian Kirk, DJ Chark, or Mike Williams, then it takes care of receiver early.There aren't that many top tier free agent wr, but if we can somehow snag one I think the experience would be more valuable than any other free agent signing
I'm hoping Saleh and JD fix the defense in free agency though. Go spend big on JC Jackson and some LBs. WR should be a middle tier need in FA.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 10:26:22 PM
There aren't that many top tier free agent wr, but if we can somehow snag one I think the experience would be more valuable than any other free agent signing
We have a shot to replace and upgrade Denzel Mims/Keelan Cole/Jamison Crowder in free agency.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 03, 2022, 10:27:16 PM
Overkill
Definitely meant “or” signing a top guy Vs drafting one. Both is unnecessary
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2022, 10:30:24 PM
We also have the two early 2nd-round picks that could be used at WR.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2022, 10:47:36 PM
I am largely indifferent to signing a receiver vs drafting one, as long as we make one more significant investment.
We also have the two early 2nd-round picks that could be used at WR.
Yup this is where I’m at. We have cap space and plenty of picks, and we have a clear opening for a WR. Let’s not be complacent because we have a couple decent receivers. Year 2, this is where you go all in and get Zach a deadly weapon in the 1st or a vet where you know what you’re getting on offense. If we got Devante or go WR top 10 it could be like when Kyler got Hopkins, Allen got Diggs, or Burrow getting Chase.
As long as they make an investment and don’t ignore the position I’m happy.
Post by: reuben on January 03, 2022, 11:00:21 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 03, 2022, 11:12:21 PM
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2022, 11:13:21 PM
I am largely indifferent to signing a receiver vs drafting one, as long as we make one more significant investment.
I don't think we're a desirable enough FA destination for a great WR so I think draft is the way to go by default.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2022, 11:15:44 PM
We’ll end up with Allen Robinson and a draft pick. Mark my words.
I don't think he's a good fit in our offense and I think he'll look to play with a proven QB for once
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 03, 2022, 11:23:18 PM
We’ll end up with Allen Robinson and a draft pick. Mark my words.
we've had iterations of this very post every year for the last 3 years
Post by: Libero_2 on January 04, 2022, 01:09:25 AM
I would be astonished if Davante Adams was willing to come here. He's in that Joe Thuney class where not only will he get outrageous offers, he'll get them from the best teams.
Oh I agree. I’m just tossing it out there, if the choice was Davante Adams for a excrement ton of our cap space, but we keep the top 10 pick, or keep the cap space and use the top 10 pick hoping to get a WR who could be as good as an elite WR what direction were people leaning?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2022, 02:00:28 AM
Kirk would eliminate the need for WR in the top ten.
Davis
Moore
Kirk
Berrios
Rookie (second or third round)
Seeing Davis as WR1 again really makes me angry.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2022, 02:02:47 AM
I would be astonished if Davante Adams was willing to come here. He's in that Joe Thuney class where not only will he get outrageous offers, he'll get them from the best teams.
I'm not saying that it's going to happen with Adams, but I'd be astonished if Saleh and Douglas kept their jobs while being completely incapable of pulling free agents who are both good and durable. At some point they have to be able to sell someone on the future.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 04, 2022, 03:23:41 AM
Seeing Davis as WR1 again really makes me angry.Moore is the WR1.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2022, 03:41:49 AM
Moore is the WR1.
He's the best #2 WR on this team right now. That doesn't make him the #1.
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2022, 06:22:34 AM
I'm not saying that it's going to happen with Adams, but I'd be astonished if Saleh and Douglas kept their jobs while being completely incapable of pulling free agents who are both good and durable. At some point they have to be able to sell someone on the future.I think Saleh will have more pull with defensive FA. It'll probably take another season and another step forward offensively for the other half of FA.
Of course, there's always the old reliable overpay.
Post by: insanity on January 04, 2022, 06:52:47 AM
I would be astonished if Davante Adams was willing to come here. He's in that Joe Thuney class where not only will he get outrageous offers, he'll get them from the best teams.Packers win superbowl
Aaron rodgers retires
Adams seeks bag and advertising opportunities
Jets prosper
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 04, 2022, 08:48:54 AM
We also have the two early 2nd-round picks that could be used at WR.
Given our history, I would not use any 2nd rd pick on a WR
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2022, 09:09:32 AM
Given our history, I would not use any 2nd rd pick on a WR
Elijah Moore disagrees with this post.
We actually have an offensive staff in place that can evaluate receivers.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 04, 2022, 09:31:03 AM
Elijah Moore disagrees with this post.
We actually have an offensive staff in place that can evaluate receivers.
For this franchise, he's the exception, not the rule...so admittedly I'm jaded.
The staff is 1 for 2. Hit on Moore, huge whiff on Mims.
I'd feel better grabbing the WR we want in the first rather waiting to see who's left in the 2nd.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2022, 09:39:55 AM
The staff is 1 for 2. Hit on Moore, huge whiff on Mims.
LaFleur and his offensive coaches did not have anything to do with the Denzel Mims pick
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 04, 2022, 09:56:02 AM
LaFleur and his offensive coaches did not have anything to do with the Denzel Mims pick
Hopefully they taught JD's scouting team a thing or two.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 04, 2022, 10:15:47 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2022, 10:44:13 AM
JD said it in a presser a few months ago. He was drafting for a scheme, unfortunately it was Adam Gase’s so we know it was mostly trash. Now the traits they look for are different.
Thank you
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 04, 2022, 10:49:29 AM
We could have stayed at 48 and drafted Chase Claypool or Van Jefferson though.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2022, 10:53:14 AM
We were all happy as excrement with the Mims pick at the time.
Incorrect
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2022, 11:16:30 AM
Post by: reuben on January 04, 2022, 11:39:17 AM
We were all happy as excrement with the Mims pick at the time.
I don't love the pick, precisely because his floor is Stephen Hill 2.0.
But freak it, let's gamble.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 04, 2022, 12:42:40 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 04, 2022, 12:57:08 PM
Fingers crossed Mims pans out to have a longer career than Stephen Hill and Devin Smith.
I also like the fact that they told Gase to stay off video
This is what pessimistic optimism looked like
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 04, 2022, 12:58:13 PM
This isn't a Christian Hackenberg situation (to cite an extreme). It was a sensible pick at the time that unfortunately just hasn't worked out.Trading down when Mims was on the board when he was considered by many (including me) to be the best WR on the board was a red flag to how highly the Jets actually viewed Mims.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 04, 2022, 01:11:55 PM
Trading down when Mims was on the board when he was considered by many (including me) to be the best WR on the board was a red flag to how highly the Jets actually viewed Mims.
I agree. His fall followed by our decision to trade back before taking him was definitely a red flag.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 14, 2022, 11:31:59 AM
Mods please change thread title to "All-pro Braxton Berrios"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 19, 2022, 11:44:50 AM
I skimmed through this interview and didn’t get that sense.
Berrios sounded like he’s open to the free market/highest bidder type situation.
Said the Jets and him have “talked”
Had good things to say about Zach, MLF, and Saleh.
Also said that Belichick called Gase directly to let him know he got a good one after Berrios was cut by NE/signed by us.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2022, 11:47:19 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2022, 11:57:11 AM
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2022, 12:15:26 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2022, 06:00:20 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 06, 2022, 05:21:00 PM
Cimini just tossing out there a Berrios contract demand rumor from the senior bowl of “top slot receive money” which would put him around $9 million per year.
For me if Berrios can get that, good for him man. We can’t pay him that, he’ll I’m hesitant to give him half of that per year.
Post by: Badger on February 06, 2022, 06:33:01 PM
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/88833/can-new-york-jets-copy-cat-bengals-rise-robert-saleh-preaches-patienceI'd do it if the years were right. We can cut Davis if he isn't living up to his contract after 2022, Moore and hopefully a 2022 draftee will be on rookie deals.
Cimini just tossing out there a Berrios contract demand rumor from the senior bowl of “top slot receive money” which would put him around $9 million per year.
For me if Berrios can get that, good for him man. We can’t pay him that, he’ll I’m hesitant to give him half of that per year.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 06, 2022, 06:54:12 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 06, 2022, 07:12:22 PM
makes it reasonable.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 06, 2022, 07:36:02 PM
This is what I was worried about when every Jets fan was thinking that we have to bring back Berrios. I would like to bring him back, too, but people were underestimating his market value.
Post by: Badger on February 06, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
3 months ago, half this board hated Berrios. Now we want to give him $9M per?Overpaying Berrios is preferable to not improving the WR corps in 2022.
This is what I was worried about when every Jets fan was thinking that we have to bring back Berrios. I would like to bring him back, too, but people were underestimating his market value.
Of course that's a false dilemma, but I welcome anyone to outline a realistic off-season that accomplishes that without bringing back Berrios. Which big FA are we landing? How many high picks are we gonna spend on pass-catchers?
Post by: Heismanberg on February 06, 2022, 07:54:36 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 06, 2022, 08:56:28 PM
We should spend at least two premium picks on pass catchers
The fact that we should do this with or without Berrios tells me we shouldn’t be spending $9 million a year on the guy. That’s like 1/5 of our “spending money” this offseason.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 06, 2022, 09:45:50 PM
- Spend high pick on WR
- Resign Berrios
- Spend Day 3 pick on WR
- Sign vet depth
That could mean
- Elijah Moore
- Corey Davis
- Treylon Burks
- Braxton Berrios
- Romeo Doubs
- Keelan Cole/Jeff Smith/Denzel Mims/random crappy vet WR/etc.
I think that's the most likely scenario at WR. Or insert another vet WR instead of Berrios. I like Christian Kirk and Allen Robinson.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 06, 2022, 10:02:36 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 06, 2022, 11:04:49 PM
Post by: Badger on February 06, 2022, 11:15:01 PM
I think the most likely scenario is
- Spend high pick on WR
- Resign Berrios
- Spend Day 3 pick on WR
- Sign vet depth
I think so too, which is why I'm not going to wring my hands over paying the market rate to re-sign a player.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 07, 2022, 02:45:50 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 07, 2022, 11:42:37 PM
3 years dude has 950 receiving yards and 5 tds
GTFO
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 07:37:24 AM
3 years dude has 950 receiving yards and 5 tds
He's a fourth string receiver and an All-Pro return specialist. I don't know why you're using his receiving statistics against him.
Meeting Berrios somewhere in the middle and giving him $6M per year seems fair to me. You can't put a price on continuity in a system built around a young quarterback. We've seen this before. You start lowballing role players and they leave...then things fall apart. Just pay the dude and draft a receiver that you don't have to pay for three or four years.
Post by: reuben on February 08, 2022, 08:26:11 AM
3 years dude has 950 receiving yards and 5 tds
GTFO
It's not about the production, it's about the chemistry with the struggling young quarterback. He's the only receiver on the planet who has it.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2022, 08:44:52 AM
It's not about the production, it's about the chemistry with the struggling young quarterback. He's the only receiver on the planet who has it.
Uh...Jeff Smith??
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2022, 08:47:34 AM
It's not about the production, it's about the chemistry with the struggling young quarterback. He's the only receiver on the planet who has it.
Struggling young quarterback?
Post by: reuben on February 08, 2022, 09:05:19 AM
Struggling young quarterback?
Name of my band
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2022, 09:09:38 AM
Name of my band
Devin Townsend's lawyer is on the phone.
Post by: reuben on February 08, 2022, 09:13:53 AM
Devin Townsend's lawyer is on the phone.
I beat Fine Young Cannibals and I'll beat him.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
Devin Townsend's lawyer is on the phone.What if Zach Wilson had a skullet?
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2022, 09:20:22 AM
He's a fourth string receiver and an All-Pro return specialist. I don't know why you're using his receiving statistics against him.
Meeting Berrios somewhere in the middle and giving him $6M per year seems fair to me. You can't put a price on continuity in a system built around a young quarterback. We've seen this before. You start lowballing role players and they leave...then things fall apart. Just pay the dude and draft a receiver that you don't have to pay for three or four years.
Yeah. Right now the immediate question is if any team will give him $9M. That's an unknown. Until then we can hope to retain him for less.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 09:22:34 AM
What if Zach Wilson had a skullet?
don't you put that evil on him
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2022, 10:15:54 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2022, 10:16:26 AM
What if Zach Wilson had a skullet?
Perennial all-pro
Post by: mj2sexay on February 08, 2022, 10:30:15 AM
6m considering his usefulness in the slot, his exceptional ability in the return game and his chemistry with Zack is much more reasonable/doable.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 10:52:53 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 08, 2022, 11:19:56 AM
Belichick will sign him for $9M per
They're a definite threat, but after last year's spending spree they're quite limited against the cap and have pending FA's and holes to fill. Having said that, every year we see teams move money around if they really want to go get someone.
They can have Berrios for 9 mil (even though he probably catches a million balls in that offense), if it means they let J.C. Jackson go and he's wearing green and white.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2022, 11:26:01 AM
Belichick will sign him for $9M perHe's going to sign Braxton Miller by accident.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2022, 03:20:12 PM
He's a fourth string receiver and an All-Pro return specialist. I don't know why you're using his receiving statistics against him.
Meeting Berrios somewhere in the middle and giving him $6M per year seems fair to me. You can't put a price on continuity in a system built around a young quarterback. We've seen this before. You start lowballing role players and they leave...then things fall apart. Just pay the dude and draft a receiver that you don't have to pay for three or four years.
I'm using his receiving statistics against him because the # being associated with him is 9 million a year. In today's anti special teams NFL I would question signing Devin Hester in his freaking prime for 9 million a year.
6 million isn't obscene, but 9 is a joke. When you're among the worst teams in the league you can't spend that kind of money on a guy who will make a handful of impact plays the entire season
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 03:26:44 PM
6 million isn't obscene, but 9 is a joke. When you're among the worst teams in the league you can't spend that kind of money on a guy who will make a handful of impact plays the entire season
He made impactful plays on offense and special teams in more than a handful of games though. Can't keep letting young, homegrown talent walk because we're looking for a better deal elsewhere.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2022, 03:29:52 PM
He made impactful plays on offense and special teams in more than a handful of games though. Can't keep letting young, homegrown talent walk because we're looking for a better deal elsewhere.
freak a better deal
I want a better player
I'd rather see us give any of the top fa wideouts 20 million a year than Berrios to get 9
My issue is the 9 million not Berrios himself
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 03:30:52 PM
My issue is the 9 million not Berrios himself
It's not your money
Post by: klaximilian on February 08, 2022, 03:33:58 PM
If it's 9M over 3yrs, I'm not going to complain. They've spent 9M way worse in the past.
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2022, 03:36:24 PM
freak a better deal
I want a better player
I'd rather see us give any of the top fa wideouts 20 million a year than Berrios to get 9
My issue is the 9 million not Berrios himself
The only time that becomes an issue is when it starts to have an opportunity cost.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 03:36:44 PM
I'd much rather we retain our all-pro return man and the receiver that Wilson clearly had the most rapport with.
If it's 9M over 3yrs, I'm not going to complain. They've spent 9M way worse in the past.
So in this case, it would be a 3 year, $27M contract.
Jakeem Grant got a 4 year, $24M extension a few seasons ago and he wasn't valuable in the passing game like Berrios has proven he can be.
Elijah Moore and whoever we select in the draft will be on cost controlled rookie deals for the entirety of that kind of deal for Berrios.
(And I think it's fair to say that Joe Douglas didn't lowball Robby Anderson at this point. He offered him what he was worth and that move worked out.)
Post by: klaximilian on February 08, 2022, 03:38:24 PM
So in this case, it would be a 3 year, $27M contract.
Jakeem Grant got a 4 year, $24M extension a few seasons ago and he wasn't valuable in the passing game like Berrios has proven he can be.
In that situation, I think 9m per year is rich...but again I won't complain. I trust the front office to gauge his value and put together a deal that makes sense for both sides.
Would you say a 3yr/27mil contract is too rich for Berrios? Perhaps it hinges on the guarantees...
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 03:39:20 PM
In that situation, I think 9m per year is rich...but again I won't complain. I trust the front office to gauge his value and put together a deal that makes sense for both sides.
Would you say a 3yr/27mil contract is too rich for Berrios? Perhaps it hinges on the guarantees...
I had a late edit that shows the most fair player and contract comparison I can think of.
I don't think you can put a price on continuity for Wilson, even if it looks like an overpay on paper. Berrios' skillset elevates a QB's passing percentage and speeds up offensive rhythm.
Even if we draft someone, I don't think it's ridiculous to think that Berrios catches 40-50 passes with 8-10 carries and all return work.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2022, 03:41:08 PM
I'd much rather we retain our all-pro return man and the receiver that Wilson clearly had the most rapport with.Not to mention the 3rd year would probably have little guaranteed money.
If it's 9M over 3yrs, I'm not going to complain. They've spent 9M way worse in the past.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2022, 03:45:10 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 03:46:41 PM
One thing's for sure, we should cut Crowder even though he is a free agent.
Crowder made about $9M a season and he was simply just a more injury prone Braxton Berrios.
I will miss him on trick plays though. He was awesome on double passes.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 08, 2022, 03:47:06 PM
Post by: klaximilian on February 08, 2022, 03:47:11 PM
I had a late edit that shows the most fair player and contract comparison I can think of.
I don't think you can put a price on continuity for Wilson, even if it looks like an overpay on paper. Berrios' skillset elevates a QB's passing percentage and speeds up offensive rhythm.
Even if we draft someone, I don't think it's ridiculous to think that Berrios catches 40-50 passes with 8-10 carries and all return work.
Agreed - I'd be a little disappointed if they didn't resign up at anything 9M or less....roughly.
Not to mention the 3rd year would probably have little guaranteed money.
Also very true.
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2022, 03:47:31 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 03:51:12 PM
Also, after Amendola, Welker, Welker, Beasley, and probably one or two others I've forgotten, we're overdue our turn to have an annoying scrappy little white receiver to tear up the AFCE.
This is just the return of Wayne Chrebet
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2022, 03:53:56 PM
This is just the return of Wayne Chrebet
Like I said. Our turn.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2022, 04:05:57 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2022, 04:09:05 PM
Waxton Chreberrios
Sounds like a breakfast cereal.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 08, 2022, 04:33:48 PM
Crowder made about $9M a season and he was simply just a more injury prone Braxton Berrios.
I will miss him on trick plays though. He was awesome on double passes.
Crowder was also our leading receiver in his first two seasons with us, and I believe still had better receiving stats this year than Berrios, despite missing a ton of games comparitively.
Berrios is worth bringing back. But $9 million is expected to be almost 1/5 of our available cap space. Are you telling me wr#4 in this offense and also a return guy is worth 1/5 of our open cap space to be used to improve this overall roster?
Thats where my issue is. I wouldn't give a flying freak if we gave him a 100 million dollar contract if it didn't have major cap implications, because you are right, it's not my money. We need players everywhere, and we need starters at like 9 positions this offseason. I can't justify 1/5 of our cap on a 4th receiver/returner and backup gadget guy behind Moore. Yeah the dude is fun and played great for us in limited opportunities this year, but he's not worth top 50 WR money. If memory serves that $9 million shakes out around the 48th best WR contract from something I read the other day. If that memory is right, that makes him a mid-upper tier #2 WR in pay. No way in hell will he produce like one.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 04:38:57 PM
Are you telling me wr#4 in this offense and also a return guy is worth 1/5 of our open cap space to be used to improve this overall roster?
We are going to build the roster through the draft, supposedly. I expect Douglas to go after some high priced free agents, but I don't think Berrios signing for $9M per hurts the team.
Look at the Saints roster right now. The cap isn't real.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2022, 04:39:37 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 04:42:29 PM
Who would be returning punts? Michael Carter?
Braden Mann
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2022, 05:28:34 PM
It's not your money
This is the stupidest freaking srgurment.
If we go out and sign another Trumaine Johnson is it okay because it's not your money?
Potentially there could be a handful of highly talented wideouts who sign contractors for 20+ million per year. I'd rather offer any of them 20m + a year then to go sign an all pro special teamer in a league that's made every effort imaginable to eliminate special teams from the game.
Moore is the only real deal wideout, let's add a 1a/1b instead of the most expensive kick returner of all time
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2022, 05:36:37 PM
Crowder was also our leading receiver in his first two seasons with us, and I believe still had better receiving stats this year than Berrios, despite missing a ton of games comparitively.
Berrios is worth bringing back. But $9 million is expected to be almost 1/5 of our available cap space. Are you telling me wr#4 in this offense and also a return guy is worth 1/5 of our open cap space to be used to improve this overall roster?
Thats where my issue is. I wouldn't give a flying freak if we gave him a 100 million dollar contract if it didn't have major cap implications, because you are right, it's not my money. We need players everywhere, and we need starters at like 9 positions this offseason. I can't justify 1/5 of our cap on a 4th receiver/returner and backup gadget guy behind Moore. Yeah the dude is fun and played great for us in limited opportunities this year, but he's not worth top 50 WR money. If memory serves that $9 million shakes out around the 48th best WR contract from something I read the other day. If that memory is right, that makes him a mid-upper tier #2 WR in pay. No way in hell will he produce like one.
You're talking about cap space today, you're not factoring in any cuts that we may yet make. I think there are probably a few, none too major but enough that they will add up. Cut Rankins, Griffin and Hardee and you've just found another $10M, and lost very little.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2022, 06:18:51 PM
This is the stupidest freaking srgurment.
If we go out and sign another Trumaine Johnson is it okay because it's not your money?
Potentially there could be a handful of highly talented wideouts who sign contractors for 20+ million per year. I'd rather offer any of them 20m + a year then to go sign an all pro special teamer in a league that's made every effort imaginable to eliminate special teams from the game.
Moore is the only real deal wideout, let's add a 1a/1b instead of the most expensive kick returner of all time
It’s not your money
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 08, 2022, 06:41:33 PM
if theyre posturing for 9, i think we can lock him in at 8 or less
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2022, 09:47:42 PM
we signed a guy like henry anderson for 3 years, 25 million and nobody batted an eye. he ended up doing nothing for us
if theyre posturing for 9, i think we can lock him in at 8 or less
Was he not one of if not our best players in the front 7 at the time?
In hindsight it didn't pan out, but literally nobody thought it was a bad idea
Post by: Libero_2 on February 08, 2022, 10:44:28 PM
Was he not one of if not our best players in the front 7 at the time?
In hindsight it didn't pan out, but literally nobody thought it was a bad idea
Not true. Several people felt we overpaid.
But the real guy to ask about is Darryl freaking roberts. He made less than Henry Anderson but was a far worse signing in basically everyone’s opinion
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2022, 11:32:26 PM
Not true. Several people felt we overpaid.Forgot about him. That was probably my turning point with Maccagnan.
But the real guy to ask about is Darryl freaking roberts. He made less than Henry Anderson but was a far worse signing in basically everyone’s opinion
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 08, 2022, 11:56:05 PM
That is essentially what Crowder got.
However, if you pay him $9M, it is because you consider him a big part of our offense, at least a top 4 guy. If you look at him as an insurance receiver behind Davis, Moore and 2 draft picks, it is a bad deal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2022, 08:10:21 AM
Berrios isn’t worth $9M, I would likely be out at that number. Even if he had produced at a 2021 level for his entire career here, I have trouble getting to $9M. It just doesn’t make sense when looking at the market.
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2022, 08:17:33 AM
I personally think the “rapport with Zach” thing is a touch overrated at this point in time. He caught 40 passes from Zach this year. Not too overwhelming for a guy who’s main asset is being able to reel in a high volume of catches. Much of that is a byproduct of Corey Davis being Hurt, Jamison Crowder being hurt, Mims being terrible, and Moore missing the end of the year. Our WR Corps needs to be better next year. Davis and Moore will be back, but bringing back Berrios doesn’t really do anything to improve our WRs. We still need another outside threat and/or to draft another high upside receiver early in the draft.
Berrios isn’t worth $9M, I would likely be out at that number. Even if he had produced at a 2021 level for his entire career here, I have trouble getting to $9M. It just doesn’t make sense when looking at the market.
I prefer Zach to have some continuity while he's developing. You make a solid argument, but i think re-signing Berrios is relatively "small potatoes" in the grand scheme of things. It won't kill our cap, and gives our QB some familiarity going into next season.
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2022, 08:24:11 AM
I personally think the “rapport with Zach” thing is a touch overrated at this point in time. He caught 40 passes from Zach this year. Not too overwhelming for a guy who’s main asset is being able to reel in a high volume of catches. Much of that is a byproduct of Corey Davis being Hurt, Jamison Crowder being hurt, Mims being terrible, and Moore missing the end of the year. Our WR Corps needs to be better next year. Davis and Moore will be back, but bringing back Berrios doesn’t really do anything to improve our WRs. We still need another outside threat and/or to draft another high upside receiver early in the draft.
Berrios isn’t worth $9M, I would likely be out at that number. Even if he had produced at a 2021 level for his entire career here, I have trouble getting to $9M. It just doesn’t make sense when looking at the market.
I don't think it's just the volume of passes, it's the type of passes. You might go and watch the season video reel and make a liar of me, but my gut tells me that a lot of the passes he caught were checkdowns and it's pretty important that Zach has a 3/4 option he can trust to consistently be open. Not to mention as well that the stats might be a bit misleading as I feel like Berrios ran a lot of sweeps, which I'm pretty sure is recorded as a running play.
Post by: reuben on February 09, 2022, 08:43:08 AM
Davante Adams doesn't want to play for the New York Jets. No young, talented offensive player in their right mind does. Stop letting homegrown talent walk just so we can entertain this collective fantasy that we're going to sign five blue chip free agents and Madden our way to competency.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 09, 2022, 08:48:34 AM
We would not just paying Berrios to be a receiver; he's great returner and with Crowder gone he'll likely compete for an expanded role as the slot WR. He's also done a significantly better job of staying healthy than the other WRs on the roster which if we're looking for a reliable check down option for Wilson then durability seems like it would be pretty damn important.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2022, 08:52:55 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2022, 08:57:57 AM
If it's for 3 or 4 years then I'm fine with $9mil/year. That deal will be over before Moore or anyone we draft will actually become expensive and we have plenty of cap room for this excrement.
This.
Overpaying him a bit to keep him isn't going to tie us up cap-wise.
Look at the Bengals roster and their contract breakdowns. They have homegrown, drafted offensive talent. They spent big on a pass rusher and a defensive tackle this offseason. Both Reader and Hendrickson are a big part of why they made the jump. These are the only two free agents they really spent big on. Mike Hilton is on a reasonable deal too.
Retaining Berrios is fine because we don't have much money invested on offense.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2022, 09:21:09 AM
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2022, 09:59:08 AM
Our WR Corps needs to be better next year. Davis and Moore will be back, but bringing back Berrios doesn’t really do anything to improve our WRs. We still need another outside threat and/or to draft another high upside receiver early in the draft.
Not bringing him back does create another hole that needs to be filled.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2022, 10:37:40 AM
FWIW... I wasn't a Berrios fan until as late as October. He won me over because he improved over the course of the season more than any player on the team. His last game was the best game of his career. If you think Berrios isn't worth resigning because you've already seen his peak, then so be it. I have no idea why you'd think that though, as we've been regularly derriere-raped by a guy with his skillset, physical ability, and early career profile for the last decade. Edelman through his first three years: 48 catches, 479 yards, 1 TD.
Davante Adams doesn't want to play for the New York Jets. No young, talented offensive player in their right mind does. Stop letting homegrown talent walk just so we can entertain this collective fantasy that we're going to sign five blue chip free agents and Madden our way to competency.
I know Adams isn't an option, but there could be 4 wideout in the ballpark of 20 million a year.
Id rather slightly overpay one of them 20-22m/per than spend freaking half that on a return man
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2022, 10:41:50 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2022, 10:49:28 AM
I know Adams isn't an option, but there could be 4 wideout in the ballpark of 20 million a year.
Id rather slightly overpay one of them 20-22m/per than spend freaking half that on a return man
Or we could just re-sign Berrios and draft an outside receiver
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2022, 11:14:52 AM
I know Adams isn't an option, but there could be 4 wideout in the ballpark of 20 million a year.
Id rather slightly overpay one of them 20-22m/per than spend freaking half that on a return man
We're already giving Davis $13M. As Heis says it makes more sense to draft a top receiving prospect, and give Zach a set of Rookie / Davis / Moore / Berrios. It's financially much more responsible, means we don't have to fill a hole at PR/KR, and keeps some continuity of scheme. If you go FA / Davis / Moore / rookie you have two guys learning the scheme at the same time as Moore is trying to establish himself.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2022, 11:22:15 AM
Not bringing him back does create another hole that needs to be filled.
Well, that’s part of my point but I didn’t reiterate all of it in that last post.
To be clear: I would rather overpay Berrios than let him walk, and then not sign a competent FA or draft a promising rookie.
I’m fine with letting Berrios walk at $9M/yr, in a scenario where we sign a Godwin, Christian Kirk, Allen Robinson, ODB, etc. OR draft a Rookie with a 1st/2nd that can either immediately start outside or in the slot. Agree that we would have to replace KR with one of those guys, but I value starting WR over that position. Preferably we do both of the above. I’m fine with Berrios being the FA signing, but it needs to be in line with market value and reasonable in comparison to what the FAs above are getting. It also makes drafting an outside WR into the category of “must do” and not nice to have at that point.
Would also be fine with trading for Cooper/Ridley/Metcalf in place of those scenarios.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2022, 11:24:07 AM
Otherwise we're either forced to reach, or stick Zach Wilson with a subpar group of guys again.
I'm all for paying Berrios what he's worth. According to sportrac 9 million/yr is severely overpaid, and flat out freaking stupid.
The numbers Sportrac suggested I'd be perfectly cool with
And so what if Davis is getting 13m a year, he's not a legit #1. And the top wideout is expected to get around 26-28 million a year. 13m a year is probably not completely unreasonable for a #2.
And hell is rather pay a #2 13 million than pay a freaking #5 wideout 9 million per year
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2022, 11:40:20 AM
FWIW... I wasn't a Berrios fan until as late as October. He won me over because he improved over the course of the season more than any player on the team. His last game was the best game of his career. If you think Berrios isn't worth resigning because you've already seen his peak, then so be it. I have no idea why you'd think that though, as we've been regularly derriere-raped by a guy with his skillset, physical ability, and early career profile for the last decade. Edelman through his first three years: 48 catches, 479 yards, 1 TD.
Davante Adams doesn't want to play for the New York Jets. No young, talented offensive player in their right mind does. Stop letting homegrown talent walk just so we can entertain this collective fantasy that we're going to sign five blue chip free agents and Madden our way to competency.
Ok I’ll bite when have we let homegrown talent walk, ever
Typically we trade away anyone that’s decent, but that’s worked out for us pretty well lately
Only one I can think of is Demario Davis and that was just a dumb decision by the front office not based on money. Maybe Snacks but he was towards the end of his career. Only one I can think of on offense is Cotchery, but it’s not like he signed a big contract elsewhere.
If you think Berrios is the next Edelman, ok hes clearly worth that contract, but that’s a whole lotta projection in there. Maybe JD sees it that way too,
That’s basically what he would be saying by giving him that contract. Only Edelman was making $4M a year in his prime and putting up 1000 yards a season. If we think Berrios can do that, sure, pay him whatever.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2022, 11:42:59 AM
Fwiw Sportrac calculated Berrios market worth is an APY of 5.9 millionThat's worth nothing. Spotrac steals excrement from OTC.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2022, 11:50:15 AM
And hell is rather pay a #2 13 million than pay a freaking #5 wideout 9 million per year
Berrios is not a #5 receiver. If they are considering re-signing him for a significant amount, they think he can be a significant receiver, not some guy who catches 1 pass a game. Cole is gone, Crowder is gone. It's just Moore, Davis, and then some debris. Who is the slot guy? Moore is going to be all over the place, not just the slot. Yes they are going to draft someone, but you can't bank on that person being Chase from day 1.
Berrios is tough, reliably catches the ball, a good teammate, and works his derriere off. That's the guy you want to overpay and keep.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2022, 11:57:16 AM
Ok I’ll bite when have we let homegrown talent walk, ever
Typically we trade away anyone that’s decent, but that’s worked out for us pretty well lately
Clyde Gates and David Clowney
STFU
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2022, 12:00:25 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2022, 12:06:48 PM
RIP Joe McKnight (Good McNight, Joe)
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2022, 12:09:03 PM
4D Chess
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2022, 12:09:55 PM
Berrios is not a #5 receiver. If they are considering re-signing him for a significant amount, they think he can be a significant receiver, not some guy who catches 1 pass a game. Cole is gone, Crowder is gone. It's just Moore, Davis, and then some debris. Who is the slot guy? Moore is going to be all over the place, not just the slot. Yes they are going to draft someone, but you can't bank on that person being Chase from day 1.
Berrios is tough, reliably catches the ball, a good teammate, and works his derriere off. That's the guy you want to overpay and keep.
Comes down to this for me
I think this team needs another good outside WR. I value that more than slot/KR and continuity. If we can sign/draft that WR and get Berrios back, Im happy.
A) I doubt we sign Berrios at $9M and another big money WR contract to add to Corey Davis. It’s likely one or the other.
B) Resigning Berrios at $9M might also put some hesitancy out there to draft a WR with our 2nd 1st or a 2. How do you get that guy on the field right away with your 1-3 roles filled?
TLDR: I want to sign or draft an outside receiver. As long as that happens, I wouldn’t be upset with Berrios signing a contract even if it is considered an overpay
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2022, 12:11:19 PM
Maccagnan had Mostert on the roster and kept Brandon Wilds instead
4D Chess
For every Mostert there’s like 18 Trenton Cannons
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2022, 12:18:15 PM
TLDR: I want to sign or draft an outside receiver. As long as that happens, I wouldn’t be upset with Berrios signing a contract even if it is considered an overpay
Do we think that Douglas values wideout in the draft? He traded back several times before taking Mims. He had a shot at several other better wideout prospects and passed.
We should have a shot at another really talented prospect at the top of round two: Christian Watson, Jahan Dotson, George Pickens, John Metchie, David Bell...
A few of these guys will slide.
I'm thinking he's going to go with a combination of OL/DL in the first and then go for pass catchers in the second (BPA WR and BPA TE).
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2022, 01:08:50 PM
Is there a high probability that an outside receiver is bpa at 4? 10?
Otherwise we're either forced to reach, or stick Zach Wilson with a subpar group of guys again.
I'm all for paying Berrios what he's worth. According to sportrac 9 million/yr is severely overpaid, and flat out freaking stupid.
The numbers Sportrac suggested I'd be perfectly cool with
And so what if Davis is getting 13m a year, he's not a legit #1. And the top wideout is expected to get around 26-28 million a year. 13m a year is probably not completely unreasonable for a #2.
And hell is rather pay a #2 13 million than pay a freaking #5 wideout 9 million per year
Stefon Diggs - $14.4M
Davante Adams - $14.5M
Jarvis Landry - $15.1M
Cooper Kupp - $15.7M
Adam Thielen - $16.2M
Mike Evans - $16.5M
I don't care about the outlier that is Nuk, Corey Davis is overpaid for what he has produced. He's paid like a #1 and he hasn't ever really consistently played like one, here or in Tennessee.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2022, 01:22:22 PM
Stefon Diggs - $14.4M
Davante Adams - $14.5M
Jarvis Landry - $15.1M
Cooper Kupp - $15.7M
Adam Thielen - $16.2M
Mike Evans - $16.5M
I don't care about the outlier that is Nuk, Corey Davis is overpaid for what he has produced. He's paid like a #1 and he hasn't ever really consistently played like one, here or in Tennessee.
Diggs contract was in 2019 and he really blew up after that.
You're commenting on Adams old contract that expired. Sportrac is speculating he gets 27 million a year.
Landry wasn't seen as a true #1 (this the OBJ diasaster)
Kupp got his extension when he only had one great season.
Hell Davis APY is less than Robbie Andersons extension with the freaking panthers.
The cap has changed and contracts are going way up. Davis does not have a legit #1 contract and he sure doesn't play like one
Also keep in mind we're ANY of the above contracts you posted guys as UDFA? Or were they guys under team control whose teams used leverage to get favorable deals?
We paid a premium for Davis because he was on the open market. Just like whoever gets Adams will pay a premium for him (unless he leaves money on the table to go to a contender/city of his choice)
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2022, 01:27:40 PM
Diggs contract was in 2019 and he really blew up after that.
You're commenting on Adams old contract that expired. Sportrac is speculating he gets 27 million a year.
Landry wasn't seen as a true #1 (this the OBJ diasaster)
Kupp got his extension when he only had one great season.
Hell Davis APY is less than Robbie Andersons extension with the freaking panthers.
The cap has changed and contracts are going way up. Davis does not have a legit #1 contract and he sure doesn't play like one
There are 4 receivers who are paid over $20M a year. Take Nuk out and the highest is Julio Jones, who is not worth his $22M a year any more.
Adams might get close to Nuk's money but he ain't coming here for it, so I'm not sure who you're proposing to give $20M+ to instead of paying Berrios a million or two more than you deem his market value to be.
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2022, 01:50:27 PM
Ok I’ll bite when have we let homegrown talent walk, ever
LaMont Jordan
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2022, 01:55:51 PM
Ok I’ll bite when have we let homegrown talent walk, ever
Typically we trade away anyone that’s decent, but that’s worked out for us pretty well lately
Only one I can think of is Demario Davis and that was just a dumb decision by the front office not based on money. Maybe Snacks but he was towards the end of his career.
u wot m8
Snacks was 27 when he signed for the Giants.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 09, 2022, 02:11:19 PM
LaMont Jordan
James Farrior.
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2022, 02:15:03 PM
James Farrior.
Leon Washington
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2022, 02:15:14 PM
James Farrior.John Riggins
Post by: MBGreen on February 09, 2022, 02:21:57 PM
John Riggins
Brett Ratliff
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2022, 02:27:07 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2022, 02:33:33 PM
Adams will blow that number out of the water
Overpaid sure. But paying Berrios 9 per is as cracked out as anything
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 09, 2022, 07:41:51 PM
Ok I’ll bite when have we let homegrown talent walk, ever
laveranues coles randy thomas jetskins
Post by: mj2sexay on February 09, 2022, 08:52:24 PM
Post by: delavan on February 09, 2022, 09:21:01 PM
John RigginsVerlon Biggs
We should have a shot at another really talented prospect at the top of round two: Christian Watson, Jahan Dotson, George Pickens, John Metchie, David Bell...http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,5349.msg456836.html#msg456836
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2022, 09:42:15 PM
Verlon Biggs
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,5349.msg456836.html#msg456836
Treylon Burks
Jameson Williams
Garrett Wilson
Drake London
Chris Olave
Christian Watson
Jahan Dotson
George Pickens
Do we really want WR9 at pick 35 or 38?
Post by: delavan on February 10, 2022, 12:03:59 AM
Treylon Burks
Jameson Williams
Garrett Wilson
Drake London
Chris Olave
Christian Watson
Jahan Dotson
George Pickens
Do we really want WR9 at pick 35 or 38?
WR9 at 35/38? No and point taken. Would be nice if Dotson were still available.
Post by: Jumbo on February 10, 2022, 12:30:33 AM
Do we think that Douglas values wideout in the draft? He traded back several times before taking Mims. He had a shot at several other better wideout prospects and passed.
We've taken a WR in the 2nd two consecutive drafts. Based on that alone I would think yes, and that we could potentially grab someone in the 1st this year. Especially with a not-so-elite top of the draft, if he likes one of the WRs a lot I wouldn't be surprised at all if we take one at 10.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 10, 2022, 06:07:53 AM
Treylon Burks
Jameson Williams
Garrett Wilson
Drake London
Chris Olave
Christian Watson
Jahan Dotson
George Pickens
Do we really want WR9 at pick 35 or 38?
I don’t think it will be WR 9 at 35. I think some teams wait on WR till round 2 because so many guys are jumbled together. I think we get WR 5 or 6 at 35. I’m just praying for Jameson Williams, but that’s so very unlikely to happen unfortunately
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 10, 2022, 11:31:12 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2022, 12:44:04 PM
Of course the question becomes who is available that teams would trade up for.
I assume potentially the 4th pick could theoretically be a potential landing spot for the best QB in the draft
Post by: Heismanberg on February 10, 2022, 12:50:31 PM
I assume potentially the 4th pick could theoretically be a potential landing spot for the best QB in the draft
1. There is no best QB in this draft. It's like 2013 all over again.
2. Trading back isn't easy. If we were to move back, it'd be from the 10th spot. Someone might try to get ahead of Washington for a QB like Pickett or Willis.
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2022, 12:59:11 PM
1. There is no best QB in this draft. It's like 2013 all over again.Trading back for an equal value return isn't easy. I'd argue in *some* situations it's worth taking a hit on the value for extra picks.
2. Trading back isn't easy. If we were to move back, it'd be from the 10th spot. Someone might try to get ahead of Washington for a QB like Pickett or Willis.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2022, 02:04:38 PM
1. There is no best QB in this draft. It's like 2013 all over again.
2. Trading back isn't easy. If we were to move back, it'd be from the 10th spot. Someone might try to get ahead of Washington for a QB like Pickett or Willis.
I realize that it's by all means a terrible QB class. But surely there has to be 1 or two QB's who standout above other mediocre prospects?
I don't expect to get a bounty or a premium. Rather if the jumble thing with wideout was true, then presumably trying to trade back would be the smart move.
Maybe trading out to a team who really wants a left tackle is another option.
There's months till the draft so plenty of time to see how the boards play out.
And I know everyone always wants to trade back and stock picks. I'm just saying that our biggest needs might not align with the best values on the board
Post by: MBGreen on February 10, 2022, 02:06:11 PM
I realize that it's by all means a terrible QB class. But surely there has to be 1 or two QB's who standout above other mediocre prospects?
I don't expect to get a bounty or a premium. Rather if the jumble thing with wideout was true, then presumably trying to trade back would be the smart move.
Maybe trading out to a team who really wants a left tackle is another option.
the QB class is terrible....this is why most of us were pounding the table for JD to get rid of Darnold and drafting a QB in 2021.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2022, 02:30:58 PM
u wot m8
Snacks was 27 when he signed for the Giants.
Oh he must have played into his 40’s for the giants then
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2022, 02:33:29 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 10, 2022, 03:50:43 PM
I think it's likeliest that we can get WR7 at 35 vs. WR1 at 10. To me, the choice is easy. Unless we trade for a receiver, take the best available at 10.
I just can’t see it. H suggesting WR 9 at 35 would indicate essentially 1/4 of the first round is WRs and no way that is to be the case, especially if the first doesn’t even go until after 10. We’d basically be going WR every other pick pick from 11-34.
6 in the top 34 is much more realistic but even then would be fairly historic. When’s the last time 6 WRs went in round 1? Did it even happen in Watkins, OBJ Mike Evans year? I don’t think it did. I think it’s fairly likely we are overrating the WR group (to an extent) because we all want one so bad for Zach. I expect someone to slide and be there for us at 35.
Now it’s an entirely different matter if you want to argue would I rather select WR 1 at 10 and IOL 5 in round 2 or IOL 2 at 10 and WR 6-7 in round 2. But that’s a whole mother debate.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 10, 2022, 03:54:39 PM
H suggesting WR 9 at 35
I did not suggest that. I was just clarifying my thoughts on why I thought Metchie was not worth pick 35 or 38. There should be better wideout talent available at that pick.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 10, 2022, 04:21:27 PM
I'm not nearly as high on the rest of the receivers so that's why I'm an advocate for taking the one of our choice at 10 or trading back into the mid-1st before taking one.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 10, 2022, 04:30:16 PM
Wilson, London, Burks, Williams, Olave, and Dotson will all likely go round 1. It's conceivable that one or two could slip into the 2nd.
I'm not nearly as high on the rest of the receivers so that's why I'm an advocate for taking the one of our choice at 10 or trading back into the mid-1st before taking one.
After watching Christian Watson play a little bit, I'd be fine with him at 35 or 38 if we decide to go OL/EDGE in the first round.
Watson + McBride in the second would be a nice haul.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 10, 2022, 04:32:52 PM
After watching Christian Watson play a little bit, I'd be fine with him at 35 or 38 if we decide to go OL/EDGE in the first round.
Watson + McBride in the second would be a nice haul.
Admittedly, I didn't know who he was prior to last week. If he blows up the combine, he likely won't escape the 1st after the show he put on in Mobile.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 10, 2022, 04:41:30 PM
Admittedly, I didn't know who he was prior to last week. If he blows up the combine, he likely won't escape the 1st after the show he put on in Mobile.
That could push Jameson Williams into the second
Post by: Libero_2 on February 10, 2022, 04:58:09 PM
That could push Jameson Williams into the second
Which is the best thing for us anyways imo
Post by: reuben on February 23, 2022, 05:40:37 PM
Quote
NYJ Matt
@NYJ_Matt
Breaking: Zach Wilson will be flying to Miami to workout with Elijah Moore, Corey Davis AND Braxton Berrios
BRING HIM BACK
Post by: Badger on February 23, 2022, 06:47:40 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 09, 2022, 09:52:05 AM
@uSTADIUM
· 1h
Berrios has an offer from the #Jets that they feel is fair. He will/has shop himself and see what the market is like.
take this with a grain of salt
Post by: Libero_2 on March 09, 2022, 03:53:34 PM
uSTADIUM
@uSTADIUM
· 1h
Berrios has an offer from the #Jets that they feel is fair. He will/has shop himself and see what the market is like.
Take this with a grain of salt
JD probably offered $3.5 million.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 09, 2022, 04:27:01 PM
JD probably offered $3.5 million.With all the WRs in the draft and free agency, no one may give a excrement about Berrios except us and Belichick.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 09, 2022, 04:55:50 PM
With all the WRs in the draft and free agency, no one may give a excrement about Berrios except us and Belichick.
Hence my low-ball offer that I think JD gave him
Post by: Johnny English on November 16, 2022, 06:00:34 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 16, 2022, 06:15:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1593020550150230017
I wish some of those rushing TDs were just pop passes so Wilson would get credit for them too
Post by: Libero_2 on November 16, 2022, 07:01:23 PM
I wish some of those rushing TDs were just pop passes so Wilson would get credit for them too
We did at least do a pop pass to Garrett Wilson the week after Berrios had a long td run
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 16, 2022, 07:30:49 PM
I wish some of those rushing TDs were just pop passes so Wilson would get credit for them too
Stop fanboying.
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2023, 11:22:55 AM
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Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2023, 07:58:17 PM
Has anyone checked on that Berrios superfan? Is she ok?She decided to join the circus
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 16, 2023, 08:04:38 PM
Has anyone checked on that Berrios superfan? Is she ok?
Who dis?
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2023, 08:15:46 PM
Who dis?Christa Levitas
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2023, 08:30:43 PM
Christa LevitasRofl she posts in one of the fb groups I'm on. Didn't know she was actually popular
Then again I'm someone's grandpa who doesn't use Twitter or tiktok or Instagram
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2023, 08:50:22 AM
Lmfao this would never happen to Greg Dortch
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2023, 09:09:48 AM
https://twitter.com/sophrossss/status/1684356960911589376?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgI'm so confused.
Lmfao this would never happen to Greg Dortch
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2023, 09:24:05 AM
I'm so confused.
https://twitter.com/_mlfootball/status/1679580947103006721?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Solid week, that’s what you get for dating a “Tik Tok Model”
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 27, 2023, 09:25:07 AM
I'm so confused.
Braxton Berrios' nonmonogamous TikTok creator girlfriend apparently fucked a 17 year old.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2023, 09:31:46 AM
Braxton Berrios' nonmonogamous TikTok creator girlfriend apparently fucked a 17 year old.
Sources are saying the 17 year old is taller than Berrios