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The Rest Of The Sports World => You Don't Know Football => Topic started by: Johnny English on June 13, 2019, 01:40:59 PM
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The Texans are so boring a team that it appears we've never had an excuse to start a loltexans thread. Until now.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2840874-ex-texans-gm-brian-gaine-accused-of-targeting-firing-african-american-employees
It comes as a huge surprise to me that Bob McNair would hire someone who behaved like this.
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The Texans are so boring a team that it appears we've never had an excuse to start a loltexans thread. Until now.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2840874-ex-texans-gm-brian-gaine-accused-of-targeting-firing-african-american-employees
It comes as a huge surprise to me that Bob McNair would hire someone who behaved like this.
Gaine scouted for the Jets from 1999-2004
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Not to mention the patriots now trying to target them for tampering and even make them trade for a new GM
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Dolphins are the current favorite to trade for Clowney
Would prefer him to go elsewhere, hopefully the 49ers or eagles land him. Either that or the Dolphins wildly overpay salary and compensation wise
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Dolphins are the current favorite to trade for Clowney
Would prefer him to go elsewhere, hopefully the 49ers or eagles land him. Either that or the Dolphins wildly overpay salary and compensation wise
Fitzpatrick and Clowney make them a 6 win team I think. Just enough wins to miss out on a blue chip QB hopefully.
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Fitzpatrick and Clowney make them a 6 win team I think. Just enough wins to miss out on a blue chip QB hopefully.
They already have the Chosen Rosen though
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Fitzpatrick and Clowney make them a 6 win team I think. Just enough wins to miss out on a blue chip QB hopefully.
I hope they tank for Tua. He will stink in the NFL.
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Fitzpatrick and Clowney make them a 6 win team I think. Just enough wins to miss out on a blue chip QB hopefully.
Not sure what Clowney is worth, but I'd think they can get a 1st for him
Though Miami would be batshit crazy to part with their 1st in a year they have Fitzpatrick and Rosen as their QB's and are essentially in a full rebuild
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Dolphins are the current favorite to trade for Clowney
Would prefer him to go elsewhere, hopefully the 49ers or eagles land him. Either that or the Dolphins wildly overpay salary and compensation wise
Apparently he doesn't really want to go there, he wants Seattle or Philly. He's out of contract so I don't know how this works, he hasn't signed his tag so I guess he must have some fair leverage.
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Apparently he doesn't really want to go there, he wants Seattle or Philly. He's out of contract so I don't know how this works, he hasn't signed his tag so I guess he must have some fair leverage.
Well he has fair leverage because nobody is trading a 1st or 2nd round pick unless he signs an extension. So all he has to do is say I'm not signing an extension with Miami thus making his value that of an expensive one year rental
But I have no idea how him being out of contract works regardless. I'd imagine any trade is predicated on him agreeing to a new contract
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However, a deal hasn't been done yet because there's one kind of big issue standing in the way: Clowney doesn't really want to play for the Dolphins.
Clowney won't play for the Fins, AB won't play for the Bills. I'd laugh if we hadn't been Barred this off-season.
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Clowney won't play for the Fins, AB won't play for the Bills. I'd laugh if we hadn't been Barred this off-season.
No state tax, no QB to pay, and they have a lot less talent to pay than the 49ers or eagles.
I would wager Clowney can walk away with over 10 million more in his pocket with Miami than the other two. Not sure if that'll be enoguh to make him go to the circus, but that'll get a lot of guys attention
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Rumor is the Texans are offering Clowney and a 1st for Tunsil, and the Dolphins are asking for more than that
That'd be pretty shitty to see
Though if Clowney walks after a half year not so much
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Rumor is the Texans are offering Clowney and a 1st for Tunsil, and the Dolphins are asking for more than that
That'd be pretty shitty to see
Though if Clowney walks after a half year not so much
Laremy Tunsil is the best left tackle in football. Trading him makes Miami worse.
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Apparently Clowney has been "adamant" he wants nothing to do with the Dolphins, sounds like Clowney to the Dolphins is dead
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the price for clowney has to be lessened by the fact that whoever trades for him cannot sign him to an extension. i wonder what the ultimate price will end up becoming
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the price for clowney has to be lessened by the fact that whoever trades for him cannot sign him to an extension. i wonder what the ultimate price will end up becoming
Houston are guaranteed a third next offseason as a comp, but the problem is that neither of the teams he allegedly wants to go to (Philly and Seattle) have a huge amount of cap space - both can afford his $15M tag price, but they won't have much change left in their cap if they do and neither of them are a good DE/LB away from a Super Bowl. I honestly don't see a good fit anywhere.
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The Eagles are one of the favorites to make it to the Super Bowl without Clowney.
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It sounds like the Seahawks are deep in talks.
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The Eagles are one of the favorites to make it to the Super Bowl without Clowney.
Yes, and they already have an outstanding front seven. Clowney isn't going to make a huge difference to them.
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Yes, and they already have an outstanding front seven. Clowney isn't going to make a huge difference to them.
You can never have enough talent, especially in the front seven. If there's an opportunity to acquire an elite talent like Clowney at a discount, most teams are going to jump at that.
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Clowney's getting traded to the Seahawks.
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You can never have enough talent, especially in the front seven. If there's an opportunity to acquire an elite talent like Clowney at a discount, most teams are going to jump at that.
$15M and a free agent in 6 months' time is not any kind of discount. Again, Clowney is not going to be the difference for Philly this season. Seattle makes a little more sense, but the cap space is still a significant opportunity cost and it sounds like there are multiple players involved.
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$15M and a free agent in 6 months' time is not any kind of discount. Again, Clowney is not going to be the difference for Philly this season. Seattle makes a little more sense, but the cap space is still a significant opportunity cost and it sounds like there are multiple players involved.
By discount, I was referring to trade compensation. Earlier in the offseason, it would have cost considerably more to acquire Clowney.
You made my point for me, it's a one year deal. If a contending team can fit him under its cap, what better place is there to spend the money, at this stage, than on an elite edge defender?
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The Seahawks gave up a 3rd round pick and two no-name linebackers for Clowney.
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By discount, I was referring to trade compensation. Earlier in the offseason, it would have cost considerably more to acquire Clowney.
You made my point for me, it's a one year deal. If a contending team can fit him under its cap, what better place is there to spend the money, at this stage, than on an elite edge defender?
Ask me in week 2 when we know which key player has gone down injured. Clowney doesn't make the difference for them this year and they may not have him next year, so what's the point in giving anything up for him? It really only makes sense if he signs a long term deal with them after this season, and they could have done that in FA anyway.
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The Seahawks gave up a 3rd round pick and two no-name linebackers for Clowney.
Houston's GM-less Front office fucked up royally.
Brian Gaine right now
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Houston's GM-less Front office fucked up royally.
Brian Gaine right now
(http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/e2QYPpUe8WmpG/giphy.gif)
Or, and hear me out here, just maybe one season of a supposedly elite pass rusher who hasn't ever had a double digit sack season while playing in the same unit as JJ Watt and costs $15M isn't actually worth very much in a trade.
Clowney's a very good player but I don't think he's a difference maker.
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Clowney's a very good player but I don't think he's a difference maker.
He might be the difference in the Seahawks making or missing the playoffs this year in an extremely competitive NFC West.
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Or, and hear me out here, just maybe one season of a supposedly elite pass rusher who hasn't ever had a double digit sack season while playing in the same unit as JJ Watt and costs $15M isn't actually worth very much in a trade.
Clowney's a very good player but I don't think he's a difference maker.
Last year was Watt's first healthy season since 2015....i'm not sure he was much of a factor. I think you're undervaluing Clowney, but you're welcome to that opinion.
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Last year was Watt's first healthy season since 2015....i'm not sure he was much of a factor. I think you're undervaluing Clowney, but you're welcome to that opinion.
I think that Clowney's value is less as the pass rush monster he was billed as coming out of college and more as a complete defensive player. He's a much better run stopper than he's often given credit for.
I like Clowney a lot and would love to see him in a Jets uniform, I just don't think he's a difference maker. His health worries me a little as well.
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I think that Clowney's value is less as the pass rush monster he was billed as coming out of college and more as a complete defensive player. He's a much better run stopper than he's often given credit for.
I like Clowney a lot and would love to see him in a Jets uniform, I just don't think he's a difference maker. His health worries me a little as well.
I never thought Clowney was coming here. We're not a contender yet, and it didn't make sense to give up assets or draft capital for him....especially on a 1 yr deal.
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If Clowney walks, the Seahawks are likely to recoup that 3rd. Brilliant trade by them.
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Texans are trading for Tunsil.
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LMAO
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Texans are trading for Tunsil.
What did they give up? I heard Miami wanted 2 #1s and clowney.
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What did they give up? I heard Miami wanted 2 #1s and clowney.
Two firsts and a second for Tunsil, Stills, a fourth, and a sixth
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If Watson stays healthy, they are one of the best teams in the NFL.
But this is a massive risk. The temporary GMs aren't exactly lighting the world on fire here.
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Texans just released Aaron Colvin. For the love of freak sign him.
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Texans just released Aaron Colvin. For the love of freak sign him.
I wouldn't be upset, but I'd rather someone who can stay healthy and clean.
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I wouldn't be upset, but I'd rather someone who can stay healthy and clean.
I mean your options aren't very good in the middle of September
Long as we don't have to take on his excrement contract, do it
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I mean your options aren't very good in the middle of September
Long as we don't have to take on his excrement contract, do it
He's essentially free, so I get it. But I'd still be calling Miami several times a day for Xavien Howard or Minkah Fitzpatrick.
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He's essentially free, so I get it. But I'd still be calling Miami several times a day for Xavien Howard or Minkah Fitzpatrick.
The asking price for those guys is at least a 1st round pick. For them to trade them to a division rival we'd have to pay a premium on top of that.
Not worth it to me
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Texans just released Aaron Colvin. For the love of freak sign him.
This.
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The asking price for those guys is at least a 1st round pick. For them to trade them to a division rival we'd have to pay a premium on top of that.
Not worth it to me
Why give up a 1st round pick for a proven elite NFL corner when you could use that pick on someone who if you're lucky might possibly become an elite NFL corner?
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Why give up a 1st round pick for a proven elite NFL corner when you could use that pick on someone who if you're lucky might possibly become an elite NFL corner?
That's a 1st round asking price for teams who aren't their divisional rivals.
Minkah was the 11th pick last year. I imagine they'd want at least 2 1st to trade him to us. The other dude they get hit with a crazy cap hit if they trade.
These are more madden trades than feasible ones
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Why give up a 1st round pick for a proven elite NFL corner when you could use that pick on someone who if you're lucky might possibly become an elite NFL corner?
Same reason you trade the NFL's best corner for a draft pick and then draft another corner who can't stay on the field.
Because you want to get fired and take everyone down with you.
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That's a 1st round asking price for teams who aren't their divisional rivals.
Minkah was the 11th pick last year. I imagine they'd want at least 2 1st to trade him to us. The other dude they get hit with a crazy cap hit if they trade.
These are more madden trades than feasible ones
I would agree except that there are plenty of stories about players wanting out of Miami. I do agree that it's unlikely that Miami would want to trade either to us, but I'd still be asking.
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I would agree except that there are plenty of stories about players wanting out of Miami. I do agree that it's unlikely that Miami would want to trade either to us, but I'd still be asking.
Who cares if they want out? With Howard they're getting killed with a cap hit, and Minkah is under team control for 4 more years for an extremely affordable price, before even factoring in the tag
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Who cares if they want out? With Howard they're getting killed with a cap hit, and Minkah is under team control for 4 more years for an extremely affordable price, before even factoring in the tag
Minkah's probably not real for anyone, much less a divisional rival, but Howard has huge money starting next year and the Dolphins don't care about cap space this year so the hit is irrelevant. If he wants out and they can get a good return for him, I believe they look seriously at it.
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So Texans traded for Brandin Cooks
They have a 2020 2nd and will get a 2022 4th along with Cooks. The 2022 pick has the same value as a 2020 6th rounder.
So Bill O’Brien has traded DeAndre Hopkins for essentially the following things....
17 spots in round 2 (from 57 to 40), Brandin Cooks, David Johnson and 2022 4th round pick.
I could be wrong but I think Cooks will count essentially the same against the cap than Nuk Hopkins, possibly more.
I just checked OTC. So Cooks is cheaper this year by $4 million in cap charge. But next year they are essentially even, and Cooks deal lasts longer and he is owed more money over the remainder of his deal than Hopkins is over his
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We really need to start making trades with the Texans.
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I'm willing to wager that by the end of his career, more draft capital will have been spent on acquiring Brandin Cooks than any player in NFL history.
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I'm willing to wager that by the end of his career, more draft capital will have been spent on acquiring Brandin Cooks than any player in NFL history.
Sam Bradford is the cash trade king
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Sam Bradford is the cash trade king
He and Chase Daniel should co-author a book about how to win in the NFL.
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I'm willing to wager that by the end of his career, more draft capital will have been spent on acquiring Brandin Cooks than any player in NFL history.
I think at least the number of teams he has been traded to puts him on the short list. 4 trades by age 26? Absolutely crazy
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I think at least the number of teams he has been traded to puts him on the short list. 4 trades by age 26? Absolutely crazy
Crazy top seeing that hes not a diva
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Aaron Wilson AaronWilson_NFL
Texans finalize contract with Pro Bowl left tackle Laremy Tunsil for $22 million a year, $57 million guaranteed, including $13 million signing bonus
I'm no accountant, but that sounds like a large amount of money.
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O'Brien is doing one of the worst jobs in sports history
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I'm no accountant, but that sounds like a large amount of money.
That would be ridiculous.
The benefit of having no good offensive lineman is that we don't need to pay them
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O'Brien is doing one of the worst jobs in sports history
Heard randomly a few days after the Brandin Cooks trade that Watson is going to try and force his way out after this season.
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Texans are working on Watson's extension.
Can you imagine being Watson's agent right now?
Bill Obrien: Okay Deshaun. We want to give you $100MM a year
Deshaun Watson: But coach, the salary cap is only....
DW Agent: You know we think Deshaun is worth more than that, but as a team friendly guy Deshaun will accept
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Bill O'Brien is no DCM.
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I'm no accountant, but that sounds like a large amount of money.
Well Tunsil is a large man.
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This shower of clowns is starting to look almost as incompetent as ours. Yesterday they fired their Director of PR for "not being a culture fit" which might not seem like a big deal, but apparently she was really well liked and respected by lots of important people and now people like JJ Watt and Kenny Stills are pissed.
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This shower of clowns is starting to look almost as incompetent as ours. Yesterday they fired their Director of PR for "not being a culture fit" which might not seem like a big deal, but apparently she was really well liked and respected by lots of important people and now people like JJ Watt and Kenny Stills are pissed.
I wish we had Kenny Stills.
Houston is much worse than us. They let O'Brien trade all of their premium picks and their best offensive player in franchise history.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/12/10/ex-chaplain-jack-easterby-houston-texans-chaos-after-power-struggle-daily-cover
This is fantastic sports journalism
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/12/10/ex-chaplain-jack-easterby-houston-texans-chaos-after-power-struggle-daily-cover
This is fantastic sports journalism
Manish ghost wrote it.
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Texans are hiring Caserio. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nfl.com/_amp/texans-zeroing-in-on-nick-caserio-as-new-general-manager)
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https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1346682764523839488?s=21
Ruh roh
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Maybe he's watching Frozen 2
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https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1346682764523839488?s=21
Ruh roh
Trade #2 for him
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Trade #2 for him
in less than 1 second
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No. 2 pick
Sam Darnold
3rd-round pick
for Deshaun Watson
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No. 2 pick
Sam Darnold
3rd-round pick
for Deshaun Watson
Terrible trade for Houston
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Terrible trade for Houston
Somehow it still might be a better trade than the Hopkins trade.
It probably would have to be the #2 pick, the Seahawks 1st next year, and Darnold. Maybe an additional mid-round pick.
That said, I'd be stunned if they moved Watson.
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Somehow it still might be a better trade than the Hopkins trade.
It probably would have to be the #2 pick, the Seahawks 1st next year, and Darnold. Maybe an additional mid-round pick.
That said, I'd be stunned if they moved Watson.
It would all be worth it for us, especially given we have 2 firsts next year
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It would all be worth it for us, especially given we have 2 firsts next year
Yeah, I would probably do this.
We're getting into the dcm portion of the year.
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The texans gave Caserio a 6 yr deal lol
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The texans gave Caserio a 6 yr deal lol
I hope he gives us Deshaun and then stays there for all 6 seasons.
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Jarrett Stidham,Texan?
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I hope he gives us Deshaun and then stays there for all 6 seasons.
I hope he hires Belichick as Head Coach.
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I hope he hires Belichick as Head Coach.
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https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1347196011056402438?s=21
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As the Texans decide on their next coach (and it presumably will be someone represented by Bob LaMonte, for reasons to be addressed later today), keep an eye on the possibility that Watson will respond by making it known privately, and possibly publicly, that he’s ready to move on and move out.
I found this comment weirdly vague and weirdly specific
https://www.psr-inc.net/clients/
Nick Caserio listed as a client.
Brian Daboll listed as a client.
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https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1347196011056402438?s=21
If Watson forces his way out, I want the Jets at the front of the line.
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If Watson forces his way out, I want the Jets at the front of the line.
100% this.
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100% this.
I should be fine with this but I selfishly want to grow out own talent at qb
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I should be fine with this but I selfishly want to grow out own talent at qb
We can do that in 7 to 9 years when we draft his replacement.
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I should be fine with this but I selfishly want to grow out own talent at qb
You’re not a fan of the plan to trade the picks from the traded player we drafted instead of Watson for the player we should have picked in the 1st place?
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You’re not a fan of the plan to trade the picks from the traded player we drafted instead of Watson for the player we should have picked in the 1st place?
Mind blown
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We can do that in 7 to 9 years when we draft his replacement.
I was thinking more 9-12 and 2-3 rings later
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I should be fine with this but I selfishly want to grow out own talent at qb
Some of our best QB seasons came from players we got from other teams.
Vinny 98
Favre 08 (until the biceps injury)
Fitz 15
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You’re not a fan of the plan to trade the picks from the traded player we drafted instead of Watson for the player we should have picked in the 1st place?
If it happens, it would be history begging us for a redo.
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I was thinking more 9-12 and 2-3 rings later
Also good.
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Back up the truck for Watson.
My starting offer would be the #2 pick, a 4th-rounder, Seattle's 2022 1st-round pick and Sam Darnold.
I would give up more, but the #2 pick is a better piece than any other team would be willing to give up, so we should have the inside track there. Unless Jacksonville wants to give up Lawrence.
Yes, we wouldn't have as many pieces to build around Watson, but we know what Watson is at this point. I'm not worried about ruining him other than injury. And Houston's OL is terrible, too.
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Back up the truck for Watson.
My starting offer would be the #2 pick, a 4th-rounder, Seattle's 2022 1st-round pick and Sam Darnold.
I would give up more, but the #2 pick is a better piece than any other team would be willing to give up, so we should have the inside track there. Unless Jacksonville wants to give up Lawrence.
Yes, we wouldn't have as many pieces to build around Watson, but we know what Watson is at this point. I'm not worried about ruining him other than injury. And Houston's OL is terrible, too.
This is the exact right mentality. I’d go so far as giving up all 4 1s over the next two years to get Watson, but obviously I’d try like hell to keep as many as possible.
Watson would completely change everything we do and it would be worth almost anything we’d have to give up to do it
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I feel like we're setting ourselves up for disappointment.
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I feel like we're setting ourselves up for disappointment.
What makes this different than literally every other element of being a Jets fan?
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I feel like we're setting ourselves up for disappointment.
Of course we are
What’s actually going to happen is we will draft Trey Lance at 2, we will force him into the field early and it will blow up in our faces. Meanwhile the Texans hire a coach that convinced Watson to stay and Trevor Lawrence ends up a to 5 QB for the jags for 17 years
Feel free to bump this post in 2038
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niners appear willing to move multiple 1s for him, as well.
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niners appear willing to move multiple 1s for him, as well.
I'd prefer if the Niners moved multiple 1s for up & comer Samwell Darnold
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niners appear willing to move multiple 1s for him, as well.
Good for them. They could give their 1st-round pick in each of the next two seasons, and that's still not as valuable as the #2 pick. And we would give up at least one more 1st-round pick with that, too, potentially even this season.
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This needs to happen:
https://twitter.com/GregRajan/status/1347233086514278400?s=20
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This needs to happen:
https://twitter.com/GregRajan/status/1347233086514278400?s=20
LMAOOOOOOOO
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Watson, please demand a trade
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Watson, please demand a trade
If that’s his staff and he DoESNT demand a trade, I would question his sanity
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You’re not a fan of the plan to trade the picks from the traded player we drafted instead of Watson for the player we should have picked in the 1st place?
Wot mate?
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You’re not a fan of the plan to trade the picks from the traded player we drafted instead of Watson for the player we should have picked in the 1st place?
BRB, going to pitch a Draft Day remake to Christopher Nolan
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Schefter:
By hiring former New England Patriots executive Nick Caserio to solve a large set of problems within the organization, the Houston Texans have created additional ones with star quarterback Deshaun Watson.
Watson offered his input on potential general manager candidates, but the Texans neither considered nor consulted with those endorsed by their franchise quarterback, league sources told ESPN.
Additionally, the Texans did not inform Watson that they intended to hire Caserio, and he found out about the hire on social media. That contributed to Watson taking to Twitter that night to post "some things never change...."
Watson's feelings were not directed toward Caserio, sources told ESPN, but instead were indicative of the way business was again conducted by the Texans.
Last offseason, Houston didn't let Watson know that star wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins would be traded, which led to some disappointment. Now that it has happened again, Watson is said to be infinitely more bothered, sources told ESPN.
This time, Watson had met with Texans owner Cal McNair on several instances, sharing thoughts on certain candidates that came highly recommended, with Watson suggesting that the team at least talk to them, sources told ESPN. He did not expect Houston to hire those that he endorsed, but he was hoping the Texans would be respectful of the feelings of the group of his teammates that he was trying to represent, sources told ESPN.
The Texans, however did not act on their quarterback's thoughts and charged ahead with a hire that mattered to a much smaller circle than the one that Watson was trying to aid, sources told ESPN.
Even if they didn't want to move forward with any of Watson's recommended candidates, sources told ESPN that Watson wanted to at least have the opportunity to meet with ownership's finalists so he could offer his thoughts from a player standpoint to benefit the team -- and then the Texans could hire who they wanted. That opportunity never came.
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Sure sounds like he’s about to be very disgruntled
Let’s hope Caserios first move pisses Watson off even further
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Sure sounds like he’s about to be very disgruntled
Let’s hope Caserios first move pisses Watson off even further
Trading Watt to NE
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Trading Hopkins "led to some disappointment."
A couple of guys knocked on the door of the Capitol yesterday and asked to be let in.
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I'd easily trade both 1s this yr and a 1 next yr
You instantly get a top 5 QB
You get instant credibility and can attract potential FA like
AR
Godwin
Golladay
Thuney
Scherff
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I'd easily trade both 1s this yr and a 1 next yr
You instantly get a top 5 QB
You get instant credibility and can attract potential FA like
AR
Godwin
Golladay
Thuney
Scherff
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Woof. The only way I do that if ar and Thuney were guaranteed.
Let's not forget we don't have much talent on this team. We need those extra firsts to be competitive and not get stuck in mediocrity
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Rapoport also now reporting it.
#Texans QB Deshaun Watson is extremely unhappy with the organization after owner Cal McNair informed him he would be involved in the GM and coach hiring process and provide feedback… but then did neither in the hire of GM Nick Caserio, sources say.
I suspect they'll just say soothing words and give him a few million dollars, and everything will be fine again.
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Woof. The only way I do that if ar and Thuney were guaranteed.
Let's not forget we don't have much talent on this team. We need those extra firsts to be competitive and not get stuck in mediocrity
You guys can pretend we know that the 2nd QB taken will mean anything
I'd literally go buy a proven top 5 QB who has beaten all time Jets passing records in 2 of his first 4 seasons with literally the same lack of OL quality we've had
Watson pays those dividends in losing capital by adding immediate legitimacy around the league and within player circles
Even if you give up less, if you actually nail the HC hire , the other 1sts lose value because you need to assume you'll be better than 2 wins next yr lol
I'm tired of the draft talk . If the offer was actually on the table
I'd make it all day.
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For the record
Even without Hopkins . Pretty sure his output is top tier for anything we've fielded in 50 years
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Woof. The only way I do that if ar and Thuney were guaranteed.
Let's not forget we don't have much talent on this team. We need those extra firsts to be competitive and not get stuck in mediocrity
May it also be reminded to Jets fans, if they have an elite QB the teams holes aren’t as magnified as he can elevate the team around him. I know we haven’t experienced this in basically forever.
If we were to give up 3 1s for Watson, we can and we should focus on recouping assets via trade downs and smart FA signings. We can still build through the draft as we still would have 4 premium picks in 2021 after moving Sam.
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May it also be reminded to Jets fans, if they have an elite QB the teams holes aren’t as magnified as he can elevate the team around him. I know we haven’t experienced this in basically forever.
If we were to give up 3 1s for Watson, we can and we should focus on recouping assets via trade downs and smart FA signings. We can still build through the draft as we still would have 4 premium picks in 2021 after moving Sam.
If Joe Douglas is actually good this is exactly how you prove it
We need a solidHC , an undeniably good QB or both
If we can go out an guarantee half that formula for a few speculative assets im fine with it
Watson makes this place a FA destination
That makes up for a lot
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It's all a hopeless dream anyways
I'll just be ready to lube up to the inevitable justi fields at 2 if OSU wins
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For the record
Even without Hopkins . Pretty sure his output is top tier for anything we've fielded in 50 years
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I am pro Watson move
But saying he broke all our records, is not exactly much of a reason to make a huge move. Literally 3/4 of QBs broke all our records this past season
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Ok let me rephrase this
Is DeShaun Watson a top 5 QB?
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We have 0 players worth leveraging into that deal
And Watson is worth 2 1sts bare minimum
I'm suggesting something that realistically gets it done
It's not gonna happen . But yeah if Douglas is actually good , he can recover and build accordingly with a top tier QB .
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We have 0 players worth leveraging into that deal
And Watson is worth 2 1sts bare minimum
I'm suggesting something that realistically gets it done
It's not gonna happen . But yeah if Douglas is actually good , he can recover and build accordingly with a top tier QB .
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Watson would be the most effective QB we’ve had since Favre and honestly aside from him perhaps 02’ Pennington.
I would give almost anything for Watson with the hopes that JD can earn his paycheck as a GM and finding guys later in the class who can contribute to us
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Watson would be the most effective QB we’ve had since Favre and honestly aside from him perhaps 02’ Pennington.
I would give almost anything for Watson with the hopes that JD can earn his paycheck as a GM and finding guys later in the class who can contribute to us
My point
I'd do the trade all day
Some won't agree. That's fine . But I wanted Watson out of clemson and he's proven himself
It's a no brainer if actually possible
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Ok let me rephrase this
Is DeShaun Watson a top 5 QB?
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Yeah, and he’s 25.
Give up three 1sts for him. Add a 2nd or two. We have the picks. excrement throw in Darnold if they value him at all. Watson is what you hope Wilson or Fields turns into eventually. I’d send the Texans whatever they want honestly. This team has enough cap space and picks to still add to the team even if it takes three 1s and 2s
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If it happens I won't complain but this team isn't good. You take away draft capital and cap space and what are? Texans east
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The #2 pick isn't just a random 1st-round pick. That pick alone is basically worth two 1sts.
I know it is Deshaun Watson, and if I am the Jets, I would pay virtually any price, including 3 1sts if it came to it. But at some point we would be bidding against ourselves. No other team has the ability to offer the #2 pick and more 1sts like we have.
And I put him in the 5-8 range right now among quarterbacks. I think I actually would put him 5th.
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If it happens I won't complain but this team isn't good. You take away draft capital and cap space and what are? Texans east
Except even if we gave up the #2 pick, the Seattle pick, and our pick next year, we have a full 2022 draft class with the Seattle pick.
Texans had a crappy coaching staff and awful defense. We have more building blocks than they do for sure.
Watson already carried two bad teams to the playoffs. He could do it here, too.
That said, if Douglas thinks Wilson or Fields is a star, and you can get them contract-controlled, that may give us a higher ceiling than building around an expensive QB, even if that QB is great.
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The #2 pick isn't just a random 1st-round pick. That pick alone is basically worth two 1sts.
But at some point we would be bidding against ourselves. No other team has the ability to offer the #2 pick and more 1sts like we have.
Granted I think this is about a hypothetical that in no way comes to pass.
But this.
The only other teams with the resources in terms of picks either reside in their division or would literally be trading them back their own picks.
I wouldn't give up two first on top of the #2.
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Let's be honest the Texans aren't trading him
They just gave him a massive contract, he's got zero leverage. What's he going to do, retire?
Not to mention they'd be asking way more than the 2nd overall pick
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He starts a new contract extension next year. His cap hit to the Texans next year is just under $16M, but his prorated bonus over the course of the next four years is $21.6M. If they trade him don't they have to take that as a single hit this season, or does it not happen if they move him early enough i.e. before the start of the next league year? In which case they have until the middle of March to do a deal - there's no draft day trade happening.
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Granted I think this is about a hypothetical that in no way comes to pass.
But this.
The only other teams with the resources in terms of picks either reside in their division or would literally be trading them back their own picks.
I wouldn't give up two first on top of the #2.
Not entirely true. The Dolphins (gag me) also have the resources. Literally by giving Houston back their own picks from the Tunsil trade and Tua. Do I think the Phins would do that? No, but I think that’s an easier sell to the fan base if they don’t feel confident Tua is a star than taking Fields/Wilson at 3 and sending Tua away.
But obviously #2 is better than #3. So we would have the upper hand, but that’s a theoretical bidding war we could end up in if Watson was on the block
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Not entirely true. The Dolphins (gag me) also have the resources. Literally by giving Houston back their own picks from the Tunsil trade and Tua. Do I think the Phins would do that? No, but I think that’s an easier sell to the fan base if they don’t feel confident Tua is a star than taking Fields/Wilson at 3 and sending Tua away.
But obviously #2 is better than #3. So we would have the upper hand, but that’s a theoretical bidding war we could end up in if Watson was on the block
Tua plus #3 and #18 is a far more attractive package than Darnold plus #2 and whatever Seattle's pick ends up being. I don't think the Miami fanbase would have any problem with it either, I'm not convinced they're sold on Tua any more than anyone else in the league is. From the Texans' side they get a new QB with potential upside and three years left of a rookie deal, plus a load of draft flexibility - in this scenario they don't have a use for Sewell, Fields or Wilson, so they can trade out of #3 with whoever does want to move up for the QB, and suddenly their cap issues and their lack of draft picks have all gone away.
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I'd love to trade for Watson. My dilemma is the price tag. I understand it will take a boatload to acquire him, but if it happens, right away i want to start building around him. And we don't have alot to start with outside of Mims and Becton.
It's definitely a catch 22.
My heart says offer them our 1st, 2nd and 3rd this year, and Seattle's 1st next year.
But my brain says it'll cost alot more. Which sucks.
EDIT: Some of you will hate me for this....but i would even offer something like our 1st this year, Seattle's first this year, our 2nd and Quinnen Williams. If JJ Watt wants out, this would fill a need on their DL.
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We've talked about what Watson would be worth in trade value as is, but I wonder what the value is specifically in the cap relief that we could provide by taking him on. I'm not sure if there's a way to re-do his contract to shift some of his cap hit to us. Currently, they would lose even more cap space if they just traded him. The Texans are already about $17 million over the cap for 2021 right now.
What's the difference in trade value for taking on his salary and relieving their cap burden vs just player for draft picks?
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We've talked about what Watson would be worth in trade value as is, but I wonder what the value is specifically in the cap relief that we could provide by taking him on. I'm not sure if there's a way to re-do his contract to shift some of his cap hit to us. Currently, they would lose even more cap space if they just traded him. The Texans are already about $17 million over the cap for 2021 right now.
What's the difference in trade value for taking on his salary and relieving their cap burden vs just player for draft picks?
Per my post last night, I'm not sure if they would take the bonus hit if they trade him before the next league year starts - his extension kicks in at the beginning of the next year, so I'm guessing that the full liability of that contract would go with him if they trade him before it starts. Someone who's more cap-knowledgeable than me would need to confirm though.
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This is the exact type of player you stockpile picks for.
25 year old proven franchise QB who has thrived despite BOB, his top receiver being taken away, OL issues.
As Mack said, we still have a full complement of picks plus the Seattle 1 in 2022. Still have a bunch of cap space.
Sign a receiver and an OL in FA, run a successful complementary draft with our remaining picks, and let Watson cook. You can’t tell me that team wouldn’t be better in 2021 and beyond than whatever we would do with keeping our draft picks.
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Sign a receiver
Deshaun Watson would significantly increase the chances of a top receiver (or two) signing with the Jets.
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This is the exact type of player you stockpile picks for.
25 year old proven franchise QB who has thrived despite BOB, his top receiver being taken away, OL issues.
As Mack said, we still have a full complement of picks plus the Seattle 1 in 2022. Still have a bunch of cap space.
Sign a receiver and an OL in FA, run a successful complementary draft with our remaining picks, and let Watson cook. You can’t tell me that team wouldn’t be better in 2021 and beyond than whatever we would do with keeping our draft picks.
I think we could just hand the Texans the NFL draft value chart and seal our case.
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This is the exact type of player you stockpile picks for.
25 year old proven franchise QB who has thrived despite BOB, his top receiver being taken away, OL issues.
As Mack said, we still have a full complement of picks plus the Seattle 1 in 2022. Still have a bunch of cap space.
Sign a receiver and an OL in FA, run a successful complementary draft with our remaining picks, and let Watson cook. You can’t tell me that team wouldn’t be better in 2021 and beyond than whatever we would do with keeping our draft picks.
I'm hoping Watson makes a bit of stink and threatens to hold out til he gets traded. Could drive his price down a tad. There's no way the Texans let him hold out going into 2021.
If they don't somehow smooth this over, they're done. There's no other recourse for them.
This would allow Joe Douglas to go in with a lowball offer and work his way up to something reasonable. Instead of offering to the do the Ditka right off the hop.
I trust Douglas to get his price, especially after what he did to the Seahawks.
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Jets, Patriots, Steelers, Raiders, Broncos, Washington, Eagles, Bears, Lions, Saints, Panthers, and 49ers are the most likely suitors.
Assuming they'd even trade him at all (probably won't), who has the best ability to offer a better package to the Texans? The only wildcard is teams offering players in addition to picks.
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This would allow Joe Douglas to go in with a lowball offer and work his way up to something reasonable. Instead of offering to the do the Ditka right off the hop.
The Jets are one of very few teams with the capital to trade for Watson. Miami has tons of picks (Houston's picks), but I don't think they're ready to admit they made a mistake on Tua yet.
We're the only team that can help Houston right now, by giving them a haul of picks in this draft. If we make this trade then free agency becomes the way this team gets better...and free agents will absolutely line up to play on a team with Watson.
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If anyone still isn't sold on the idea...
https://youtu.be/KWgufDdGzz4?t=415
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The Jets are one of very few teams with the capital to trade for Watson. Miami has tons of picks (Houston's picks), but I don't think they're ready to admit they made a mistake on Tua yet.
We're the only team that can help Houston right now, by giving them a haul of picks in this draft. If we make this trade then free agency becomes the way this team gets better...and free agents will absolutely line up to play on a team with Watson.
Yep. I'm gonna poo poo the idea though because this has as much chance of happening as us getting that 1st overall pick this year.
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Jets, Patriots, Steelers, Raiders, Broncos, Washington, Eagles, Bears, Lions, Saints, Panthers, and 49ers are the most likely suitors.
Assuming they'd even trade him at all (probably won't), who has the best ability to offer a better package to the Texans? The only wildcard is teams offering players in addition to picks.
The Saints don't have the cap space. The Eagles don't either.
The rest of those teams don't have the ammo that we have.
If Caserio trades Watson to New England, Roger Goodell should investigate both franchises for collusion.
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Yep. I'm gonna poo poo the idea though because this has as much chance of happening as us getting that 1st overall pick this year.
It's fun to think about. The Texans have a shithead racist for an owner, so Watson could certainly force his way out of town. JJ Watt sounds like he is done with them too.
Nick Caserio might convince them to blow it up.
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If anyone still isn't sold on the idea...
https://youtu.be/KWgufDdGzz4?t=415
Haha. Retired Brandon Marshall is worth a flier.
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25 year old proven franchise QB who has thrived despite BOB, his top receiver being taken away, OL issues.
What do you despite BOB? Yes, I know the man is a meme, but that is more for his antics as a GM. As a coach he wasn't half bad.
Being on-topic, I'd back the brinks truck for Watson. Both Seattle's picks would be fair game and then a 1st or so from us. Basically we would have traded a SS+1st rounder for a franchise QB. Sign me the freak up!
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It's fun to think about. The Texans have a shithead racist for an owner, so Watson could certainly force his way out of town. JJ Watt sounds like he is done with them too.
Nick Caserio might convince them to blow it up.
This team can't get the QB spot right. It would be insane to have a guarantee at that illusive position. Who is still 25.
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Haha. Retired Brandon Marshall is worth a flier.
2015 Brandon Marshall is one of my favourite players ever.
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2015 Brandon Marshall is one of my favourite players ever.
I always remember him dragging Pats into the endzone.
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More likely to happen: Trump removed from office before inauguration or Watson to Jets?
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The Jets are one of very few teams with the capital to trade for Watson. Miami has tons of picks (Houston's picks), but I don't think they're ready to admit they made a mistake on Tua yet.
We're the only team that can help Houston right now, by giving them a haul of picks in this draft. If we make this trade then free agency becomes the way this team gets better...and free agents will absolutely line up to play on a team with Watson.
Yes
but FA is still a wildcard because we won't know who will be available until after the Franchise Tag period.
EDIT: oh excrement, i know he's a piece of glass but Will Fuller is also a FA....He'd probably be the first in line.
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Yes
but FA is still a wildcard because won't know who will be available until after the Franchise Tag period.
Who cares who is available? Someone will be. There will be plenty of gords and WRs we could sign that would be better that what we have. Get Watson, deal with the rest later.
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I always remember him dragging Pats into the endzone.
The highlight that stands out for me is him ripping the intercepted pass out of the defender's hands.
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Who cares who is available? Someone will be. There will be plenty of gords and WRs we could sign that would be better that what we have. Get Watson, deal with the rest later.
My point is the FA list considerable shrinks with elite FAs after the Franchise tags are doled out. Slow your roll, homie.
EDIT: And you should care, Bo. Free Agency will be our primary avenue to build around Watson because our draft capital will take a big hit.
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EDIT: oh excrement, i know he's a piece of glass but Will Fuller is also a FA....He'd probably be the first in line.
I'd take Allen Robinson and Will Fuller.
Robinson - Mims - Fuller
PIPEDREAM SZN
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I'd take Allen Robinson and Will Fuller.
Robinson - Mims - Fuller
PIPEDREAM SZN
Robinson is actually my top FA target...crossing my fingers the Bears don't tag him
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My point is the FA list considerable shrinks with elite FAs after the Franchise tags are doled out. Slow your roll, homie.
EDIT: And you should care, Bo. Free Agency will be our primary avenue to build around Watson because our draft capital will take a big hit.
When was the last time there was no one any good available in free agency? May not be the guy you want, but someone good will be available.
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When was the last time there was no one any good available in free agency? May not be the guy you want, but someone good will be available.
nobody liked Chaz Schillings
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[Pelissero] #Colts DC Matt Eberflus — one of the most in-demand head-coaching candidates — plans to interview with the #Jets on Sunday and the #Chargers on Monday, per source. He declined an interview with the #Texans. For now, full focus on Saturday’s playoff game at Buffalo.
I'm sure it happens every year but I can't recall a head coach candidate straight up declining an interview request, or at least not letting it become public knowledge.
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nobody liked Chaz Schillings
Raiderjoe did 424 fourty con....47inc vetrical eleet
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I'm sure it happens every year but I can't recall a head coach candidate straight up declining an interview request, or at least not letting it become public knowledge.
We had someone decline us last time.
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It's fun to think about. The Texans have a shithead racist for an owner, so Watson could certainly force his way out of town. JJ Watt sounds like he is done with them too.
Nick Caserio might convince them to blow it up.
Side note, the Texans need cap relief, I would absolutely take Watts POS contract with Watson to give them the cap relief they need in addition to some picks.
Sure it would limit what moves we can make in FA this year, but if it gets Watson here now, that’s most important. Plus a rotating JJ Watt on the same DL as Quinnen JFM and Foley Fats? That could be fun to watch
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We had someone decline us last time.
Matt Campbell
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I'm sure it happens every year but I can't recall a head coach candidate straight up declining an interview request, or at least not letting it become public knowledge.
Patrick Graham this season.
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We had someone decline us last time.
Matt Campbell
Fair enough.
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Patrick Graham this season.
I guess what I meant was a candidate throwing shade to one particular franchise and taking HC interviews with others. Graham and Campbell just wanted to stay put; Eberflus is actively interviewing for HC positions.
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I guess what I meant was a candidate throwing shade to one particular franchise and taking HC interviews with others. Graham and Campbell just wanted to stay put; Eberflus is actively interviewing for HC positions.
i thought of this after i posted. You're right. Eberflus's situation is different.
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Robinson is actually my top FA target...
"In my opinion the sky is blue"
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"In my opinion the sky is blue"
Badger Beep
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In my opinion Patrick Mahomes is an elite QB
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In my opinion Patrick Mahomes is an elite QB
and my top trade target
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https://twitter.com/MicheleSteele/status/1347706778226667520
Caserio looks like a queynte.
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https://twitter.com/MicheleSteele/status/1347706778226667520
Caserio looks like a queynte.
What this franchise needs is someone who will come in as head coach, identify systemic problem people in the front office, get them fired, coach the team into a favorable drafting position, and then depart after a season or two, setting them up for a proper clean slate rebuild.
I have a candidate in mind.
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He has a habit of trading for or attempting to otherwise acquire former players; this woild be the perfect opportunity to get Watson for Crowder.
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What this franchise needs is someone who will come in as head coach, identify systemic problem people in the front office, get them fired, coach the team into a favorable drafting position, and then depart after a season or two, setting them up for a proper clean slate rebuild.
I have a candidate in mind.
lol
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I have no idea what the obsession is with the Texans trading Watson to Miami is
Sure they're all from the new England coaching tree. But it would be a terrible move for the Texans
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I have no idea what the obsession is with the Texans trading Watson to Miami is
Sure they're all from the new England coaching tree. But it would be a terrible move for the Texans
I don't think Watson is going anywhere.
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I have no idea what the obsession is with the Texans trading Watson to Miami is
Sure they're all from the new England coaching tree. But it would be a terrible move for the Texans
Almost certainly way too humiliating for ownership to trade a franchise QB for their own pick, #3 in the draft, back. Could happen but McNair seems the type of owner who'd want to avoid that.
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I have no idea what the obsession is with the Texans trading Watson to Miami is
Sure they're all from the new England coaching tree. But it would be a terrible move for the Texans
The only way Watson gets dealt is if he forces his hand so much the Texans feel they have to trade him. That isn't likely. If they do trade him, the Jets and Dolphins seem like the obvious choices.
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/11/buzz-builds-for-jim-caldwell-to-texans/
lmao
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/11/buzz-builds-for-jim-caldwell-to-texans/
lmao
Is Jim Caldwell the Joe Biden of coaches?
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https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1348697333442224129?s=19
Lmao
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https://twitter.com/MicheleSteele/status/1347706778226667520
Caserio looks like a queynte.
Some psycho notes of Adam Gates with 'unaligned' hints of Marty Feldman..
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https://twitter.com/johnson80/status/1349084500840640518?s=20
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https://twitter.com/johnson80/status/1349084500840640518?s=20
yikes
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https://twitter.com/johnson80/status/1349084500840640518?s=20
Andre Johnson and Deshaun Watson don't love Jesus enough
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Hopefully they can salvage their relationship because I absolutely do not want him on the Dolphins
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Hopefully they can salvage their relationship because I absolutely do not want him on the Dolphins
McNair might want to fire Easterby before this escalates some more.
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Hopefully they can salvage their relationship because I absolutely do not want him on the Dolphins
If he goes to Miami, we are royally fucked.
The way the Bills are building, and what Flores seems to have going on in Miami, add Watson to that mix, and it's hard to see how we could catch up right now.
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If he goes to Miami, we are royally fucked.
The way the Bills are building, and what Flores seems to have going on in Miami, add Watson to that mix, and it's hard to see how we could catch up right now.
Trust in JD, young man.
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If he goes to Miami, we are royally fucked.
The way the Bills are building, and what Flores seems to have going on in Miami, add Watson to that mix, and it's hard to see how we could catch up right now.
We could tank for a good 6 years and eventually own the entire 1st round via trade downs.
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https://twitter.com/johnson80/status/1349084500840640518?s=20
never thought id see andre johnson going after the texans on twitter like they were cortland finnegan
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never thought id see andre johnson going after the texans on twitter like they were cortland finnegan
I saw a story the other day, I think stemming from a podcast interview, that said that a number of other players around the league paid Andre Johnson's fine as thanks for giving Finnegan what they all wanted to.
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Then there was Jack Easterby, hired as the franchise’s executive vice president of team development in April 2019, a man who’d risen from low-level Jaguars intern to Patriots team chaplain to lauded character coach—before making an unprecedented shift into football operations. Easterby, those Texans told each other, was Littlefinger, the nickname of Petyr Baelish, a shadowy and cunning operative who on TV espoused righteousness as a strategy, but sought to consolidate power through chaos and isolation and the pulling of strings behind the scenes.
K
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https://twitter.com/ArianFoster/status/1349136024551772160
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Hopefully they can salvage their relationship because I absolutely do not want him on the Dolphins
I mean the projected trade value I've seen for him is at minimum 3 1sts
In Miamis case I think it would take 3 1sts + Tua
Which honestly is still a really good deal for them.
I just don't know if I see it happening
Not to mention,surely Miami isn't the only team in the league capable of trading for him.
After all the Jets have 4 1sts between this year and next, plus some tradeable QB fodder as well.
Of course Watson has a no trade clause so I guess ultimately it's about where he wants to go and whether they have the assets to get him. Does he have some kinda hard on for Miami?
I mean the dude is from the South East. So I assume the falcons, panthers, dolphins, could be on the short list. Plus maybe Tampa and New Orleans.
I think New Orleans would make him an awfully happy man
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I mean the projected trade value I've seen for him is at minimum 3 1sts
In Miamis case I think it would take 3 1sts + Tua
Which honestly is still a really good deal for them.
I just don't know if I see it happening
Not to mention,surely Miami isn't the only team in the league capable of trading for him.
After all the Jets have 4 1sts between this year and next, plus some tradeable QB fodder as well.
Of course Watson has a no trade clause so I guess ultimately it's about where he wants to go and whether they have the assets to get him. Does he have some kinda hard on for Miami?
The Jets and Dolphins could easily get in a bidding war. Both have a young QB they could offer back, though Tua has more value because of his contract. Both have a top-3 draft pick this year. Jets have an extra pick next year they could offer.
In the end, the Jets could probably afford to lose the draft capital more than the Dolphins, especially if the Dolphins strongly believe in Tua. Granted, if the Texans strongly believe in Tua and not Darnold, the math changes a lot.
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The Jets and Dolphins could easily get in a bidding war. Both have a young QB they could offer back, though Tua has more value because of his contract. Both have a top-3 draft pick this year. Jets have an extra pick next year they could offer.
In the end, the Jets could probably afford to lose the draft capital more than the Dolphins, especially if the Dolphins strongly believe in Tua. Granted, if the Texans strongly believe in Tua and not Darnold, the math changes a lot.
Biggest obstacle is the no trade clause though.
Watson can basically veto anything he doesn't want. And I have no idea why he'd want to come here over Miami
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The circumstances surrounding a possible trade of Watson to Miami are so embarrassing for Houston I just can't imagine they'd do it. They'd probably take a worse deal to move him elsewhere at behest of McNair.
I wouldn't expect Watson to wanna come to the Jets either, though, but hard to say if he'd be ok with a sort of lateral move organization wise.
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https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1350177165426491393?s=19 (https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1350177165426491393?s=19)
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https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1350177165426491393?s=19 (https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson/status/1350177165426491393?s=19)
What does this mean
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What does this mean
yes
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What does this mean
Deshaun big mad.
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Deshaun big mad.
We need to order him a Bob Salad
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I guess it's rap apparently
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I guess it's rap apparently
I was on 2 now I'm a 10 is pretty self-explanatory.
The other tweet about Future - Mo Reala vibes is causing me to play that song on repeat to try to will him to the Jets.
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For further explanation:
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1348299187968999424?s=21 (https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1348299187968999424?s=21)
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I just saw why he tweeted it today:
https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/1350126423785271300
“The scrutiny on Jack is really unjustified,” McNair said Friday. “Jack was put into that role (interim GM) the organization needed by me. If missteps were made during that process, we’ll own those within our building.
“Jack will (return) to the role (executive VP of football operations) he was brought here for and what he grew into after he got here.”
The Easterby news didn’t set well with Watson, who put out a cryptic tweet Friday afternoon that said, “I was on 2 then I took it to 10.”
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/john-mcclain/article/Cal-McNair-Texans-Deshaun-Watson-Jack-Easterby-15873730.php
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Watson doesn't seem any happier lately with the Texans......
The Jets have the best draft pick to get a QB not named Lawrence........
Texans have no picks in the first 2 rounds.....
The Jets don't have good offensive talent, but we have the cash to buy it, and Watson being there would change the game for our attractiveness. Deshaun Watson would be the equivalent of a great set of fake funbags for our franchise.
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I'd be really happy to get Watson but we would have to have a bloody good free agency, because he'd cost us most of our premium picks. My gut tells me that that kind of swing for the fences move isn't really Douglas's style.
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I'd be really happy to get Watson but we would have to have a bloody good free agency, because he'd cost us most of our premium picks. My gut tells me that that kind of swing for the fences move isn't really Douglas's style.
Probably right.
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Long article about the Texans situation here, if you're interested. I skimmed it. Doesn't seem to say too much new.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/01/16/texans-chaos-deshaun-watson-unhappy-how-jack-easterby-kept-his-job
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I'd be really happy to get Watson but we would have to have a bloody good free agency, because he'd cost us most of our premium picks. My gut tells me that that kind of swing for the fences move isn't really Douglas's style.
They've pulled some dipshit trades already, we might be able to pull off something without sacrificing all of our premium picks. But it definitely would set the offense back a season in terms of adding skill players that could help Watson.
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They've pulled some dipshit trades already, we might be able to pull off something without sacrificing all of our premium picks. But it definitely would set the offense back a season in terms of adding skill players that could help Watson.
Yeah. If we were going to do it we'd need to do it soon in order to use it as a selling point for FAs.
I think the fact that Meyer is being completely noncommittal about the draft QBs is probably enough to put a stop to any such trade. The possibility that the Jags might do their evaluations and decide that actually they'd be willing to trade the 1 and take Fields at 2 would absolutely kill Douglas if he's already traded the 2 to Houston for a QB making $35M a year.
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Probably doesn't bode well that the current betting odds have the Dolphins as the favorites to land Watson, followed by the Patriots, followed by us.
I have no freaking idea why the Patriots are the second runner up, I'll just assume it's because of Bill Belichick and nepotism with his cronies
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Probably doesn't bode well that the current betting odds have the Dolphins as the favorites to land Watson, followed by the Patriots, followed by us.
I have no freaking idea why the Patriots are the second runner up, I'll just assume it's because of Bill Belichick and nepotism with his cronies
In b4 Smalls has to remind everyone that these odds are made up and not based on actual intel
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Doesn't matter. Watson has final say
No trade claude means Watson vetoes whatever he wants
If he wants Miami he will either get Miami or have to play chicken with ownership
If Watson went to Miami I wouldn't feel good if Ozzie Newsome himself was our current GM
I'd take Watson over 3 unknown rookies any day lol
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https://twitter.com/lopezonsports/status/1350568072474669062?s=21
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Yeah. If we were going to do it we'd need to do it soon in order to use it as a selling point for FAs.
I think the fact that Meyer is being completely noncommittal about the draft QBs is probably enough to put a stop to any such trade. The possibility that the Jags might do their evaluations and decide that actually they'd be willing to trade the 1 and take Fields at 2 would absolutely kill Douglas if he's already traded the 2 to Houston for a QB making $35M a year.
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I can’t envision too many scenarios where an NfL team makes a deal to give the consensus best QB in the draft to their division rival.
If the Jaguars were willing to swap picks to move down to the #2 spot then I would have to imagine that the Jets would explore this option as well and if Douglas decides that Watson is a better investment than Lawrence I’m starting to lean more towards the side of trusting his judgement than questioning it.
You have to pay money to get a proven talent at QB. I swear some people on this board treat cap space like a dragon’s hoard.
What is with the Canadian residents on this board going full Ben Shapiro so they can make up unlikely scenarios just to get angry at them?
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What is with the Canadian residents on this board going full Ben Shapiro so they can make up unlikely scenarios just to get angry at them?
It helps pass the time
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It helps pass the time
Yep. Lawrence is going to go to the Jags at 1. That is set in stone. Not sure what will happen with Watson. Gut feeling is he stays in Houston. Hard to imagine a team trading a young top 5 QB.
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Yep. Lawrence is going to go to the Jags at 1. That is set in stone. Not sure what will happen with Watson. Gut feeling is he stays in Houston. Hard to imagine a team trading a young top 5 QB.
At this point, if Watson stays in Hou he'll pull the Le'veon and sit out the year. I think he'll force their hand.
If he ends up in Miami, we're in deep excrement.
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Bright side is all the Watson to Miami stuff was pre coach hiring
Rumors are Texans are the only ones Saleh didn't interview with
And he was on Watson short list of HC
So.....that's another angle lol
Zach wilson and Sam darnlold could disappear tonight and I wouldn't care
Sell the farm for Watson lol
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Bright side is all the Watson to Miami stuff was pre coach hiring
Rumors are Texans are the only ones Saleh didn't interview with
And he was on Watson short list of HC
So.....that's another angle lol
Zach wilson and Sam darnlold could disappear tonight and I wouldn't care
Sell the farm for Watson lol
I would hope if Joe Douglas goes this route, that he wouldn't expunge all his draft capital. We would need something left in the cupboard to build around Watson.
I understand FA is route we can take to do this too....the problem there is it isn't guaranteed because we'll be in competition with the rest of the league.
Douglas is from the school of Ozzie Newsome too. As much as i would give my left testicle to bring Watson to the Jets....it doesn't sound like something JD would do. I don't remember any huge splashes made by the Ravens under Newsome. He built thru the draft.
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At this point, if Watson stays in Hou he'll pull the Le'veon and sit out the year. I think he'll force their hand.
If he ends up in Miami, we're in deep excrement.
If the relationship is irreparable then Watson is worth more to Houston as trade bait than as a player.
The Steelers could afford to let Bell sit out because his replacement was already on the roster and he was sitting out on an unsigned franchise tag. Having Watson sit out on a $35 mil/year contract is a completely different problem.
As for bringing in FAs, the team with Saleh as an HC and Watson as a QB would make us a mich more attractive landing spot than the #2 draft pick.
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I can’t envision too many scenarios where an NfL team makes a deal to give the consensus best QB in the draft to their division rival.
If the Jaguars were willing to swap picks to move down to the #2 spot then I would have to imagine that the Jets would explore this option as well and if Douglas decides that Watson is a better investment than Lawrence I’m starting to lean more towards the side of trusting his judgement than questioning it.
You have to pay money to get a proven talent at QB. I swear some people on this board treat cap space like a dragon’s hoard.
What is with the Canadian residents on this board going full Ben Shapiro so they can make up unlikely scenarios just to get angry at them?
If we already had the #1 pick the answer to this question would be different, but we don’t.
If you had to trade the same amount of pieces/picks for them who would you take?
1. Trevor Lawrence
2. Deshaun Watson
For me I’m taking Watson, at some point NFL success has to matter and that guy is about as good as it gets and if he legitimately hits the market we need to be seriously involved.
As for his NTC we have to hope for 1 of a few things:
1. Miami doesn’t want him / wants to roll with Tua
2. Houston refuses to trade him to Miami for the optics of everything
3. He’s open to other destinations
4. His agent convinced him to listen to the pitch that Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh have for him. I have to believe with how good a talker that Saleh is and how everyone raves for him coupled with JDs vision of team building that they could convince him they’ve got a shot to get this thing right
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If the relationship is irreparable then Watson is worth more to Houston as trade bait than as a player.
The Steelers could afford to let Bell sit out because his replacement was already on the roster and he was sitting out on an unsigned franchise tag. Having Watson sit out on a $35 mil/year contract is a completely different problem.
As for bringing in FAs, the team with Saleh as an HC and Watson as a QB would make us a mich more attractive landing spot than the #2 draft pick.
Good points.
I'll add this in too. We don't really know what will be available in FA until the last week of Feb. I used to get pumped to see who would be available, only to get kicked in the nuts over teams implementing their franchise tags.
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If we already had the #1 pick the answer to this question would be different, but we don’t.
If you had to trade the same amount of pieces/picks for them who would you take?
1. Trevor Lawrence
2. Deshaun Watson
For me I’m taking Watson, at some point NFL success has to matter and that guy is about as good as it gets and if he legitimately hits the market we need to be seriously involved.
Thank. You.
We'd be paying more in draft picks because we already know what we're getting. A proven, talented player is always going to cost more and at the most valuable position on the team it is worth it.
As for his NTC we have to hope for 1 of a few things:
1. Miami doesn’t want him / wants to roll with Tua
2. Houston refuses to trade him to Miami for the optics of everything
3. He’s open to other destinations
4. His agent convinced him to listen to the pitch that Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh have for him. I have to believe with how good a talker that Saleh is and how everyone raves for him coupled with JDs vision of team building that they could convince him they’ve got a shot to get this thing right
So as Coach K mentioned, the Miami talk all happened before the coaching hire and Saleh was one of the coaches that Watson wanted the Texans to interview.
I know part of the draw is wanting to live in Miami and neither New Jersey nor New York are going to be able to compete if that is the year round lifestyle someone wants but if we already have someone he wants to play for I have ro imagine that would benefit us at least enough to get him to open up to the idea of it.
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Good points.
I'll add this in too. We don't really know what will be available in FA until the last week of Feb. I used to get pumped to see who would be available, only to get kicked in the nuts over teams implementing their franchise tags.
I really hope the Patriots don't tag Thuney again, but I really don't see a reason for them to use that tag on anyone else, either.
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I really hope the Patriots don't tag Thuney again, but I really don't see a reason for them to use that tag on anyone else, either.
agreed. That was a gut punch last year.
Which is why i'm apprehensive to put all of our eggs in the FA basket.....until we see who'll be available.
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agreed. That was a gut punch last year.
Which is why i'm apprehensive to put all of our eggs in the FA basket.....until we see who'll be available.
That's OK. You can always find a guard in the later ro...freak!!!
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I really hope the Patriots don't tag Thuney again, but I really don't see a reason for them to use that tag on anyone else, either.
Read earlier in the week that they tagged him in a last ditch attempt to sway Brady back to NE.
Fail.
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Read earlier in the week that they tagged him in a last ditch attempt to sway Brady back to NE.
Fail.
Well at least they don't have that to worry about this time.
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I can’t envision too many scenarios where an NfL team makes a deal to give the consensus best QB in the draft to their division rival.
If the Jaguars were willing to swap picks to move down to the #2 spot then I would have to imagine that the Jets would explore this option as well and if Douglas decides that Watson is a better investment than Lawrence I’m starting to lean more towards the side of trusting his judgement than questioning it.
You have to pay money to get a proven talent at QB. I swear some people on this board treat cap space like a dragon’s hoard.
What is with the Canadian residents on this board going full Ben Shapiro so they can make up unlikely scenarios just to get angry at them?
I confess I completely failed to consider the division rival thing. Still, in that situation Houston could still flip the 2 for a colossal amount to someone else for them to make the trade with Houston.
I'm pretty sure I've been extremely clear that I would love few things more than us finding a way to trade for Watson. My point was that I think Douglas might prefer to build greater depth of quality through the roster and trust to the process of evaluation and development over the next couple of years, than make a single blockbuster move in the hope that one player hold the key everything else working out, even if that particular player does stand a much better chance of being that catalyst than any rookie.
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Yeah ill.just be a broken record
I dint give a freak if Ozzie Newsome himself were GM
3 1sts is better used on securing a top 3 QB who led the league in passing without his all pro WR1
Vs
3 unknowns
That wpuld be Douglas letting pride interfere imo . The idea you're gonna knock all 3 picks out the park then afford to keep them ?
Theyll be more expensive than Watson upon renewal btw assuming they do pan out
Hmmm
Fix a possibly broken QB , draft a kid from BYU
Or secure a top 3 QB in his prime
Hard choice
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Yeah ill.just be a broken record
I dint give a freak if Ozzie Newsome himself were GM
3 1sts is better used on securing a top 3 QB who led the league in passing without his all pro WR1
Vs
3 unknowns
That wpuld be Douglas letting pride interfere imo . The idea you're gonna knock all 3 picks out the park then afford to keep them ?
Theyll be more expensive than Watson upon renewal btw assuming they do pan out
Hmmm
Fix a possibly broken QB , draft a kid from BYU
Or secure a top 3 QB in his prime
Hard choice
Just to play devils' advocate....QB isn't the only hole on this roster.
I'm not against trading for Watson, just looking at the entire picture past the erection.
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Just to play devils' advocate....QB isn't the only hole on this roster.
I'm not against trading for Watson, just looking at the entire picture past the erection.
Thats cool
We've seen teams where qb is the only hole on the roster . The results are the same as what we have now
You get Watson
You still have the rest of this draft 2nd rd and beyond
You still have a 1st next yr and the rest of that draft
If JD is actually good at drafting. That better be enough.
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Yeah ill.just be a broken record
I dint give a freak if Ozzie Newsome himself were GM
3 1sts is better used on securing a top 3 QB who led the league in passing without his all pro WR1
Vs
3 unknowns
That wpuld be Douglas letting pride interfere imo . The idea you're gonna knock all 3 picks out the park then afford to keep them ?
Theyll be more expensive than Watson upon renewal btw assuming they do pan out
Hmmm
Fix a possibly broken QB , draft a kid from BYU
Or secure a top 3 QB in his prime
Hard choice
I’m currently hoping that Watson pulls the biggest freak You of all time to Houston and says I’ll only play for the Jets and tells the world so no one else bothers bidding so JD just sends them Seattle’s third because they are so boned they don’t have a choice but to take what they can get for him.
Then we get the best of both worlds!
In reality there is no chance we could acquire him for less than we paid for Jamal but it’s fun to dream
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Nobody can convince me if Watson is actually on the table , that it's not the move to make lol
I'll just be honest. Lol
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Thats cool
We've seen teams where qb is the only hole on the roster . The results are the same as what we have now
You get Watson
You still have the rest of this draft 2nd rd and beyond
You still have a 1st next yr and the rest of that draft
If JD is actually good at drafting. That better be enough.
Umm...what do you think it's gonna cost in draft capital to bring Watson here?
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3 1sts
Both this yr and a 1st next yr
What do.you think.itll take?
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I know what SEA traded for Adams
But the #2 involved changes a lot
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3 1sts
Both this yr and a 1st next yr
What do.you think.itll take?
I think the bidding starts at three 1sts .....there will be a bidding war. We won't be the only "john" at the whorehouse bidding for the top slut.
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I think the bidding starts at three 1sts .....there will be a bidding war. We won't be the only "john" at the whorehouse bidding for the top slut.
And I'm prepared to outbid lol
Listen you all can circle jerk in the draft prospect forum . I'd like a guaranteed franchise QB .
I'm not saying we need to blow the team up but we're young enough and Watson has a good 8 yrs left. We can afford to sacrifice capital considering what we've got
Especially if we assume our GM is draft savy
If it wasn't Watson I wouldn't be so Gung ho. But he allure of thinking every guy you draft with 13 rookies is fun an all because we suck so bad the offseason is all we've had to be hopeful about for a decade lol
At the VERY least , if Watson ends up traded . All I ask is that JD made an offer
Whether it is enough. Thats speculation
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I'm sure JD will be in the mix. I don't expect him to mortgage this team's future either. He isn't Sonny Weaver Jr.
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I think the bidding starts at three 1sts .....there will be a bidding war. We won't be the only "john" at the whorehouse bidding for the top slut.
I'm not sure it would be much of a bidding war. Two other factors come into play (actually three, but two are part of the same conversation):
- Cap space. The number of teams bidding will be severely limited by the fact that a lot of teams who might have interest would have to make pretty significant roster changes just to clear enough space for his contract
- Cap space 2. The Texans would still have to make a bunch of cuts to find room for the dead cap hit, so part of the deal might also involve taking a shitty contract as well
- NTC. It's not going to be much of a bidding war if Watson makes it clear that there are places he isn't willing to go, or worse, that there's only one other place he's interested in.
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I'm not sure it would be much of a bidding war. Two other factors come into play (actually three, but two are part of the same conversation):
- Cap space. The number of teams bidding will be severely limited by the fact that a lot of teams who might have interest would have to make pretty significant roster changes just to clear enough space for his contract
- Cap space 2. The Texans would still have to make a bunch of cuts to find room for the dead cap hit, so part of the deal might also involve taking a shitty contract as well
- NTC. It's not going to be much of a bidding war if Watson makes it clear that there are places he isn't willing to go, or worse, that there's only one other place he's interested in.
Realsitically it would be Jets vs Phins
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If we offer up 3 firsts and someone else pays more, fine. I don’t think it will take three firsts to get it done if he is demanding to leave, but I’m fine with that price.
The biggest argument against a possible trade for Watson based on info that actually exists would be all of the rumors from Schefter and Cimini that Saleh and the FO think that Darnold could be salvaged. With any luck Houston buys into it and is dumb enough to knock off a first round pick on the asking price for him.
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I'm not sure it would be much of a bidding war. Two other factors come into play (actually three, but two are part of the same conversation):
- Cap space. The number of teams bidding will be severely limited by the fact that a lot of teams who might have interest would have to make pretty significant roster changes just to clear enough space for his contract
- Cap space 2. The Texans would still have to make a bunch of cuts to find room for the dead cap hit, so part of the deal might also involve taking a shitty contract as well
- NTC. It's not going to be much of a bidding war if Watson makes it clear that there are places he isn't willing to go, or worse, that there's only one other place he's interested in.
Oh yes..forgot about the NTC. That actually works in our favor to get a better price. The more Watson makes a public stink, the more it handcuffs Houston.
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Let's say it's a realistic option
Three 1s and a future 3rd
Flip Sam for a 2nd or 3rd (IND/PIT/SF) (3rd being more realistic)
I believe this likely gets it done
Thank god we ended up at 2 and not the Phins lol
I'd do this all day
If it got any more expensive then you discuss pumping the brakes
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Let's say it's a realistic option
Three 1s and a future 3rd
Flip Sam for a 2nd or 3rd (IND/PIT/SF) (3rd being more realistic)
I believe this likely gets it done
Thank god we ended up at 2 and not the Phins lol
I'd do this all day
If it got any more expensive then you discuss pumping the brakes
Honestly his No-trade clause is the key to this whole thing. It will prevent a bidding war from the entire league as Watson will only be interested in a handful of teams at most.
Of that handful only a few have the requisite cap space to take his deal and the requisite draft capital to be “serious contenders” for his services.
So ultimately it’s a 2-3 team race, but who those teams are remain to be seen.
I mentioned this at some point, but if the Texans want to move Watt with Watson to free up the most space possible I would be more than willing to do so. I’d also probably get Watson a beat cheaper in terms of compensation because of having to take Watts terrible contract.
Could you imagine a deal of Watt and Watson for
#2, #34, 2022 Seattle #1 and 2022 #2
Sure we lose a ton of cap space but we maintain loads of draft picks flexibility (and still can trade Sam to the highest bidder to get something back). That would be a hell of a start to a rebuild. Then after 2021 I believe we could move on from Watt to get some of that flexibility back on the cap to add an important piece or two for 2022 shot.
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Watt is on the end of his career, I would not want to give up all that for Watt and Watson.
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Watt is on the end of his career, I would not want to give up all that for Watt and Watson.
Watt only has a year left on his deal. The Texans' cap is so fucked that they might need to movie him to cover the Watson dead cap.
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Watt only has a year left on his deal. The Texans' cap is so fucked that they might need to movie him to cover the Watson dead cap.
I’m not in favor of giving up extra picks to bring him in on the deal. They can have all the Harvey Langi and Blake Cashman they want, though. We can throw Crunchberrios in there as well, too.
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I’m not in favor of giving up extra picks to bring him in on the deal. They can have all the Harvey Langi and Blake Cashman they want, though. We can throw Crunchberrios in there as well, too.
If the price for Watson is 3 1s + a 3rd as K suggests and taking Watts shitty contract turns that into 2 1s and 2 2s, you take that for the cap space. The whole point is getting Watson, that’s all that matters. Anything Watt contributes is a bonus (and trying to shift a culture, a dude with Watts work ethic and mentality alone could be a huge deal but that’s another discussion)
The question is would you rather sacrifice cap space to get Watson a bit cheaper in pick compensation? Or save the space and purely pay up in picks?
I’d rather keep the picks as I believe in JDs ability to scout, draft and frankly trade down further to recoup more assets than I have any GM we’ve had since 2000.
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If they tag Thuney again, they'd have to pay him 120% of his current salary. They are either signing him to a new contract or letting him go. I can't see them paying a guard $17 million next year.
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Oh yes..forgot about the NTC. That actually works in our favor to get a better price. The more Watson makes a public stink, the more it handcuffs Houston.
Well, until it doesn't. The teams with the third and fourth most cap space going into next season are the Colts and the Patriots, both of whom desperately need a QB. The Colts with Watson become immediate Super Bowl contenders, and the Patriots haven't lost their shiny allure because of one down season. That Watson NTC could very easily be used to shut us out because he doesn't give a excrement what return Houston gets.
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Well, until it doesn't. The teams with the third and fourth most cap space going into next season are the Colts and the Patriots, both of whom desperately need a QB. The Colts with Watson become immediate Super Bowl contenders, and the Patriots haven't lost their shiny allure because of one down season. That Watson NTC could very easily be used to shut us out because he doesn't give a excrement what return Houston gets.
No way in hell Houston trades Watson to their biggest division rival.
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No way in hell Houston trades Watson to their biggest division rival.
Sure. I'm just saying that the NTC probably hurts us more than it helps, because it takes control away from the team and gives it to the player - he can now force a decision of "trade me to where I want to go, or live with me unhappy". The NTC only helps reduce competition in any potential bidding war if we're not excluded by it, and there are teams who will be far more attractive to him than us.
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NTC is good for us because of Saleh
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NTC is good for us because of Saleh
You'll have to explain that logic to me.
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^Well, if reports are true that Watson wanted the Texans to interview Salah, then maybe he would request to be here. Probably not, but still. I mean we're still the Jets.
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^Well, if reports are true that Watson wanted the Texans to interview Salah, then maybe he would request to be here. Probably not, but still. I mean we're still the Jets.
I thought Bieniemy was the guy he wanted them to interview?
https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/breaking-houston-texans-request-interview-with-qb-deshaun-watson-favorite-chiefs-coach-bieniemy
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I thought Bieniemy was the guy he wanted them to interview?
https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/breaking-houston-texans-request-interview-with-qb-deshaun-watson-favorite-chiefs-coach-bieniemy
The Texans ignored (initially) Deshaun Watson's request that Eric Bieniemy get an interview for head coach; the Texans also ignored (completely) Watson's recommendation that Robert Saleh be interviewed https://t.co/VvYGs1Yr6M
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I'm a big Watson fan, drafted him every year he's been in the league, but your QB can't be running the organization. He isn't Magic Johnson.
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What is with the Canadian residents on this board going full Ben Shapiro so they can make up unlikely scenarios just to get angry at them?
racist
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https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1350879527556157440?s=19
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1350880821561995267?s=19
I'm starting to get wood
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Damien Woody
@damienwoody
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19m
Imagine the #Jets flipping Jamal Adams and it turned into Deshaun Watson....Joe D would be goatted
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1350880821561995267?s=19
I'm starting to get wood
There's a lot of puzzle piece that match up.
Jets need:
-franchise QB
Texans have:
-proven franchise QB
-program going nowhere with no draft picks or cap space to help.
Texans need:
-Replenish lost high draft picks
-to pacify angry QB somehow
-cap relief
Jets have:
-high draft picks
-plenty of cap to pay Watson
-coach that Watson likes
-program on the build
Texans can keep a bitter QB with a excrement roster and little way to make it better or bail on their best asset to have a chance to start over building the rest of the roster now Tough choice. They can't get any decent picks without bailing on Watson.
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I like Jeremiah's suggestion for offering the #2, a 1st round pick from 2022, and 2023's 1st rounder.
that leaves us Seattle's first round this year, and one next year. So we can still build the roster.
Get it done, big Doug.
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I like Jeremiah's suggestion for offering the #2, a 1st round pick from 2022, and 2023's 1st rounder.
that leaves us Seattle's first round this year, and one next year. So we can still build the roster.
Get it done, big Doug.
I hate to be Debbie Downer, but take off your green glasses for a bit and ask yourself what the Jets have right now that the Dolphins don't have better? Maybe we have a bit more cap space, but they have plenty. They are playoff ready right now. I doubt the bright lights of NY matter that much to him. Probably no more than have no income tax in FL.
EDIT: only difference I see is the #2 overall pick vs #3. The Texans could get the 2nd best QB guaranteed.
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I hate to be Debbie Downer, but take off your green glasses for a bit and ask yourself what the Jets have right now that the Dolphins don't have better? Maybe we have a bit more cap space, but they have plenty. They are playoff ready right now. I doubt the bright lights of NY matter that much to him. Probably no more than have no income tax in FL.
We have Bob Salad....a coach Watson wants to play for.
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Damien Woody
@damienwoody
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Imagine the #Jets flipping Jamal Adams and it turned into Deshaun Watson....Joe D would be goatted
I'd build a solid gold statue to JD that I'd worship with a nightly Bacchanalia.
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We have Bob Salad....a coach Watson wants to play for.
I'm sure he'd be just fine with Brian Flores. What does he know about Salad anymore that we do?
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I'm sure he'd be just fine with Brian Flores. What does he know about Salad anymore that we do?
He probably knows a lot more than we do....you know....considering he's in the league.
freak Brian Flores.
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I hate to be Debbie Downer, but take off your green glasses for a bit and ask yourself what the Jets have right now that the Dolphins don't have better? Maybe we have a bit more cap space, but they have plenty. They are playoff ready right now. I doubt the bright lights of NY matter that much to him. Probably no more than have no income tax in FL.
EDIT: only difference I see is the #2 overall pick vs #3. The Texans could get the 2nd best QB guaranteed.
He has a NTC but that doesn't mean the Texans are obliged to move him to the most desirable destination. As long as he's also okay with coming here, we may be able to beat a potential Dolphins package.
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He has a NTC but that doesn't mean the Texans are obliged to move him to the most desirable destination. As long as he's also okay with coming here, we may be able to beat a potential Dolphins package.
That's true.
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just going to leave this here. (https://twitter.com/rcobb18/status/1350879221757964289?s=19)
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What if the Jags just gave up the #1 overall for Watson straight up...
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What if the Jags just gave up the #1 overall for Watson straight up...
It's a really interesting idea and one I wondered earlier. I know there's the whole "don't trade within the division" thing, but the Jags get an ready made elite QB, the Texans get one in waiting plus a bunch of cap relief. An in-division trade that makes both teams better immediately might be palatable to both.
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What if the Jags just gave up the #1 overall for Watson straight up...
Why would the Texans trade him to a division rival?
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It's a really interesting idea and one I wondered earlier. I know there's the whole "don't trade within the division" thing, but the Jags get an ready made elite QB, the Texans get one in waiting plus a bunch of cap relief. An in-division trade that makes both teams better immediately might be palatable to both.
It's PR suicide for the Texans if Watson goes off on them twice a season for the foreseeable future.
And before you say "yeah but Lawrence "....Watson is better than him right now.
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Why would the Texans trade him to a division rival?
For the same reason the Jags would trade Trevor Lawrence to a division rival - if they think it makes them better. Can't see it ever happening though because whichever team lost that trade would regret it for decades.
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For the same reason the Jags would trade Trevor Lawrence to a division rival - if they think it makes them better. Can't see it ever happening though because whichever team lost that trade would regret it for decades.
I just don't see it happening
Its gonna come down to us and Miami
Unless the price comes down considerably...which i also don't see happening
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It's PR suicide for the Texans if Watson goes off on them twice a season for the foreseeable future.
And before you say "yeah but Lawrence "....Watson is better than him right now.
Agreed, but the Texans are up against the wall. If they could get THE BEST QUARTERBACK PROSPECT SINCE JOE MONTANA HAD A BABY WITH PEYTON MANNING IN DAN MARINO'S BATHROOM or whatever Lawrence apparently was until he wasn't ours, they can at least spin it to the fans. I don't know that it's a more difficult sell than whatever package they can get from us or Miami, their fans aren't getting excited for Darnold or Tua.
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I just don't see it happening
Its gonna come down to us and Miami
Unless the price comes down considerably...which i also don't see happening
Again, I don't think you can rule out New England here.
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Agreed, but the Texans are up against the wall. If they could get THE BEST QUARTERBACK PROSPECT SINCE JOE MONTANA HAD A BABY WITH PEYTON MANNING IN DAN MARINO'S BATHROOM or whatever Lawrence apparently was until he wasn't ours, they can at least spin it to the fans. I don't know that it's a more difficult sell than whatever package they can get from us or Miami, their fans aren't getting excited for Darnold or Tua.
If we were in the Texans position...would you trade Watson to the Patriots?
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Again, I don't think you can rule out New England here.
They don't have the draft capital...
The 2nd overall pick is the center piece of this deal...the pats can't beat that
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Pretty much agree with everything Coach K has been saying today. I've been saying it, too.
There is no team with a better mix of need, cap space and draft capital than the Jets, unless the Dolphins are willing to move on from Tua and the Texans really like Tua.
We have the best available pick AND we have the most available picks.
And this is part of the reason you have to trade Jamal Adams for two 1st-round picks. It allows flexibility in case something like this comes up. It's still very hard for me to see the Texans trading Deshaun Watson, but would I give up both our 1sts this year and a 1st next year? You're damn right I would. And nobody else could really top that, so at some point we might be bidding against ourselves. It might be worth it to secure the player, but Watson is worth it.
Trade Sam for a 2nd-round pick, and we would still have two 2nd-round picks and a full draft class after the 1st round. And we would have a full draft class in 2022.
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If we were in the Texans position...would you trade Watson to the Patriots?
If I were in the Texans' position I might not have much choice if Watson insists. And given how desperate Belichick probably is for one more dance, I can see him giving up the farm for Watson. They don't have a premium pick, but #15 isn't terrible.
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Trade Sam for a 2nd-round pick, and we would still have two 2nd-round picks and a full draft class after the 1st round. And we would have a full draft class in 2022.
It's amusing how you keep banging on about Sam being the worst quarterback in the NFL and then in the next breath think you could trade him for a second round pick.
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If I were in the Texans' position I might not have much choice if Watson insists. And given how desperate Belichick probably is for one more dance, I can see him giving up the farm for Watson. They don't have a premium pick, but #15 isn't terrible.
No...I mean if the Jets were in the texans' position. Would you trade a franchise top 5 QB to a division rival like the patriots?
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No...I mean if the Jets were in the texans' position. Would you trade a franchise top 5 QB to a division rival like the patriots?
Oh I see. It would be really tough obviously, but if my back was against the wall and what I was getting back was legitimately valuable - like a generational quarterback prospect - I'd have to consider it.
Also, it's not an entirely fair comparison. We're scarred by the Patriots in a way that the Texans aren't by the Jags. I'm sure they could spin it as them winning the deal. I'm pretty sure I could convince myself of that if I were a Houston fan.
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One other thing about the Patriots potentially being in play for Watson - Caserio.
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If I were in the Texans' position I might not have much choice if Watson insists. And given how desperate Belichick probably is for one more dance, I can see him giving up the farm for Watson. They don't have a premium pick, but #15 isn't terrible.
This seems like typical Jets fan paranoia. Why would Watson insist to go to the Patriots and the Patriots only in 2021? He'd never top Brady's legacy, and that team is no more ready to compete than the Jets are. You think out of all 31 other NFL teams, he would demand to throw to Jakobi Meyers and Damiere Byrd?
The Patriots of old are dead. Brady is gone. We don't have to fear them anymore.
They have nothing to offer that could top what the Jets have to offer. Even if Belichick is desperate and offers his next three 1st-round picks, the Jets can easily top that. And that assumes Belichick is desperate because he's 68 and doesn't care as much about the future. Everything Belichick has done for his entire Patriots tenure has been to stockpile draft picks, not to trade them all, so that also seems like a drastic 180.
Caserio isn't taking a worse offer from the Patriots than a better one from the Jets. Imagine a GM trading the best quarterback in franchise history in his prime, and not getting full value because he wants to help out his former team. That guy would be fired in an instant, though the Texans seem incompetent so who knows.
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Oh I see. It would be really tough obviously, but if my back was against the wall and what I was getting back was legitimately valuable - like a generational quarterback prospect - I'd have to consider it.
Also, it's not an entirely fair comparison. We're scarred by the Patriots in a way that the Texans aren't by the Jags. I'm sure they could spin it as them winning the deal. I'm pretty sure I could convince myself of that if I were a Houston fan.
Its a fair comparison...I work with a texans fan that hates his division rivals just as much as we do.
He hates that Jax out-tanked us. I blamed you.
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One other thing about the Patriots potentially being in play for Watson - Caserio.
If Caserio passed up superior trade packages to take something less from the Patriots...he won't last long in this position.
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This seems like typical Jets fan paranoia. Why would Watson insist to go to the Patriots and the Patriots only in 2021? He'd never top Brady's legacy, and that team is no more ready to compete than the Jets are. You think out of all 31 other NFL teams, he would demand to throw to Jakobi Meyers and Damiere Byrd?
The Patriots of old are dead. Brady is gone. We don't have to fear them anymore.
They have nothing to offer that could top what the Jets have to offer. Even if Belichick is desperate and offers his next three 1st-round picks, the Jets can easily top that. And that assumes Belichick is desperate because he's 68 and doesn't care as much about the future. Everything Belichick has done for his entire Patriots tenure has been to stockpile draft picks, not to trade them all, so that also seems like a drastic 180.
Caserio isn't taking a worse offer from the Patriots than a better one from the Jets. Imagine a GM trading the best quarterback in franchise history in his prime, and not getting full value because he wants to help out his former team. That guy would be fired in an instant, though the Texans seem incompetent so who knows.
Like I said earlier...the 2nd overall pick is the centerpiece that no other team can come close to except Miami or beat out like Jax.
Caserio will get the best deal possible for his franchise...he won't with NWE
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Its a fair comparison...I work with a texans fan that hates his division rivals just as much as we do.
He hates that Jax out-tanked us. I blamed you.
Haha. I'm more mad at JE for not kicking in his magical power to will us to win in Week 1.
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It's amusing how you keep banging on about Sam being the worst quarterback in the NFL and then in the next breath think you could trade him for a second round pick.
Doesn't take much to amuse you apparently.
Sam Darnold was one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL last season, and maybe the worst among guys who didn't get cut midseason for banging strippers. Yet reputable reporters have still said his value is a 1st or 2nd round pick, so I'm still going with that. I thought he might have hurt his trade value more than that, but people who have more inside sources than I do seem to think he still has that value.
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Like I said earlier...the 2nd overall pick is the centerpiece that no other team can come close to except Miami or beat out like Jax.
Caserio will get the best deal possible for his franchise...he won't with NWE
BUT THE PATRIOTS ARE SCARY AND I'M SCARED OF THEM
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BUT THE PATRIOTS ARE SCARY AND I'M SCARED OF THEM
Haha.
Belichick is a hoo-ha cat
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the Jags get an ready made elite QB, the Texans get one in waiting.
Hol up
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This seems like typical Jets fan paranoia. Why would Watson insist to go to the Patriots and the Patriots only in 2021? He'd never top Brady's legacy, and that team is no more ready to compete than the Jets are. You think out of all 31 other NFL teams, he would demand to throw to Jakobi Meyers and Damiere Byrd?
The Patriots of old are dead. Brady is gone. We don't have to fear them anymore.
They have nothing to offer that could top what the Jets have to offer. Even if Belichick is desperate and offers his next three 1st-round picks, the Jets can easily top that. And that assumes Belichick is desperate because he's 68 and doesn't care as much about the future. Everything Belichick has done for his entire Patriots tenure has been to stockpile draft picks, not to trade them all, so that also seems like a drastic 180.
Caserio isn't taking a worse offer from the Patriots than a better one from the Jets. Imagine a GM trading the best quarterback in franchise history in his prime, and not getting full value because he wants to help out his former team. That guy would be fired in an instant, though the Texans seem incompetent so who knows.
If Watson wants to win, I don't think it would be all that difficult to convince him that his chances are probably best with a head coach who has 6 rings. That's not Jets fan paranoia - it would be mad to try and claim that somehow the perennially successful Patriots are less attractive than a pair of league punchlines.
I agree that objectively speaking the Jets and Dolphins are both in stronger positions from a roster and potential perspective, but the Patriots have a system that is proven successful. The sales argument there is that he doesn't have to be the saviour of the franchise, just do your job and the rest is proven.
The major issue there is the draft capital - they'd be giving up future year picks, plus probably a good player from their roster. But if Watson decides that the Patriots is what he wants then it's not really relevant how much more someone else can give the team, it's just a matter of squeezing as much out of New England as possible. And Caserio has the relationships there to get that deal done.
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Doesn't take much to amuse you apparently.
Sam Darnold was one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL last season, and maybe the worst among guys who didn't get cut midseason for banging strippers. Yet reputable reporters have still said his value is a 1st or 2nd round pick, so I'm still going with that. I thought he might have hurt his trade value more than that, but people who have more inside sources than I do seem to think he still has that value.
If you have a second round pick and you want a quarterback, are you taking one of Trask / Jones or do you want one season of Sam Darnold's rookie deal?
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If Watson wants to win, I don't think it would be all that difficult to convince him that his chances are probably best with a head coach who has 6 rings. That's not Jets fan paranoia - it would be mad to try and claim that somehow the perennially successful Patriots are less attractive than a pair of league punchlines.
I agree that objectively speaking the Jets and Dolphins are both in stronger positions from a roster and potential perspective, but the Patriots have a system that is proven successful. The sales argument there is that he doesn't have to be the saviour of the franchise, just do your job and the rest is proven.
The major issue there is the draft capital - they'd be giving up future year picks, plus probably a good player from their roster. But if Watson decides that the Patriots is what he wants then it's not really relevant how much more someone else can give the team, it's just a matter of squeezing as much out of New England as possible. And Caserio has the relationships there to get that deal done.
I'd love to be in the room where Caserio pleads with McNair to take a shittier deal because he's mud budz with Belichick. Lol
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If Watson wants to win, I don't think it would be all that difficult to convince him that his chances are probably best with a head coach who has 6 rings. That's not Jets fan paranoia - it would be mad to try and claim that somehow the perennially successful Patriots are less attractive than a pair of league punchlines.
I agree that objectively speaking the Jets and Dolphins are both in stronger positions from a roster and potential perspective, but the Patriots have a system that is proven successful. The sales argument there is that he doesn't have to be the saviour of the franchise, just do your job and the rest is proven.
The major issue there is the draft capital - they'd be giving up future year picks, plus probably a good player from their roster. But if Watson decides that the Patriots is what he wants then it's not really relevant how much more someone else can give the team, it's just a matter of squeezing as much out of New England as possible. And Caserio has the relationships there to get that deal done.
If Deshaun Watson truly wants out of Houston, I don't think he will be that picky as to where he goes. Sure, it's possible he uses his no-trade clause to not go to the Jets, but I don't see that happening. Houston doesn't HAVE to trade him, unless Watson makes it so ugly it's impossible to keep him.
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If I were in the Texans' position I might not have much choice if Watson insists. And given how desperate Belichick probably is for one more dance, I can see him giving up the farm for Watson. They don't have a premium pick, but #15 isn't terrible.
I imagine Watson doesn't want to deal with Belichick's excrement when he can go somewhere else and win without the Patriot Way misery.
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I'd love to be in the room where Caserio pleads with McNair to take a shittier deal because he's mud budz with Belichick. Lol
You're missing the key point. This is a scenario in which the NTC is in play.
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If you have a second round pick and you want a quarterback, are you taking one of Trask / Jones or do you want one season of Sam Darnold's rookie deal?
Pretty close IMO. If I'm a rebuilding team, I would prefer Trask/Jones for the contract situation and the unknown that both might be really good. If I'm a competitive team with an older starting QB, I think I'd prefer Darnold because he has more starting experience. I could hear arguments either way, but I think the contract situation gives me a slight lean towards Trask/Jones in general.
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You're missing the key point. This is a scenario in which the NTC is in play.
Stop talking yourself into this...
NWE won't happen.
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I imagine Watson doesn't want to deal with Belichick's excrement when he can go somewhere else and win without the Patriot Way misery.
There is also that.
I agree there's a chance the NTC comes into play, but I think it's a very slim chance.
However, I don't really see a way where he demands to go to New England, or he demands to go to New England or one other team. That seems like we're living in fear of the Patriots, like we rightfully did for nearly two decades.
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New England's wideouts are worse than ours
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I imagine Watson doesn't want to deal with Belichick's excrement when he can go somewhere else and win without the Patriot Way misery.
No guarantee New England would be a success, look at Cam. Brady is why they won.
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I don't see why Darnold would be part of a deal for Watson. If they are getting the #2 overall, they are taking their QB there. I think Darnold is a separate deal somewhere else.
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No guarantee New England would be a success, look at Cam. Brady is why they won.
If they have Watson, they vault right back up.
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Lolstadium, but still a reasonable trade:
@nyjets give: Sam Darnold, 1.2, 2.34, 2022 1st round and 2023 1st round.
Get: @deshaunwatson, 2.51, 4.115
@HoustonTexans give: @deshaunwatson
Get: 1.2, 2.34, 2022 1st round and 2023 1st round.
@WashingtonNFL give: 2.51, 4.115
Get: Sam Darnold
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Pretty close IMO. If I'm a rebuilding team, I would prefer Trask/Jones for the contract situation and the unknown that both might be really good. If I'm a competitive team with an older starting QB, I think I'd prefer Darnold because he has more starting experience. I could hear arguments either way, but I think the contract situation gives me a slight lean towards Trask/Jones in general.
If I am Pitt/Chicago/New Orleans/San Fran and looking for a potential high end QB, I'm talking Darnold over Trask/Jones. I think Trask/Jones ceiling is probably Jimmy Garapollo level of play. Can I win with it? Sure, but it's not likely I ever can win a ring. With Sam the ceiling is very high if you can undo the damage of Gase. Even under Gase I've seen enough game management in spurts that despite the crappy talent level, I think I can have a reasonable starter in Darnold, and if I can fix the guy? Sky's the limit, and that's worth the pick I could hopefully take Kyle Trask for those teams who just need a QB to compete. For others who need a QB (Carolina, WFT) and then the rest of their team, Sam's new deal clock makes him less desirable because you only really have a year with him and the team definitely needs more than that.
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Lolstadium, but still a reasonable trade:
Sure works for us.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1350945137719914498
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Schefter: A source close to Watson told Mortensen that the Dolphins remain prominent as an acceptable landing spot because the quarterback likes the culture he has observed under Miami head coach Brian Flores and there is no state income tax in Florida.
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My emotional progression to the Dolphins trading for Watson would be to laugh at the Texans for trading their franchise QB for Tunsil to mourning the fact that I would then be forced to hate Deshaun Watson to then hoping he never completes another pass in the NFL and hoping he's just sacked play acter play.
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My emotional progression to the Dolphins trading for Watson would be to laugh at the Texans for trading their franchise QB for Tunsil to mourning the fact that I would then be forced to hate Deshaun Watson to then hoping he never completes another pass in the NFL and hoping he's just sacked play acter play.
I would just celebrate that we still have a excrement ton of picks.
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I would just celebrate that we still have a excrement ton of picks.
Imagine an AFCE in which there are three good teams kicking the excrement out of each other every season with the Patriots as the divisional whipping boys.
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Imagine an AFCE in which there are three good teams kicking the excrement out of each other every season with the Patriots as the divisional whipping boys.
Longest playoff drought in the NFL
Don't think we're ready to be imagining that
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Dear football gods,
https://twitter.com/nypostsports/status/1350987102343847940?s=19
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I understand why Watson would want to go to the Dolphins, but I don't get why the Dolphins would be so interested in moving on from Tua after 1 season where he played relatively well. They liked him enough to pick him 5th overall a year ago.
Yes, Watson is a top 5 QB and much better than Tua, but they'd also have to give up at least two 1sts, including the #3 overall. We are all trying to convince ourselves that Darnold is still salvageable after 3 years of progressively worse QB play. Tua arguably just had a better season that Sam has ever had and went 6-3 as a starter, but they are the ones that have to move on from their QB?
Is this a narrative created from Deshaun saying it would be nice to live in Miami with no income tax or is this something the Dolphins organization is reported to have interested in?
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I understand why Watson would want to go to the Dolphins, but I don't get why the Dolphins would be so interested in moving on from Tua after 1 season where he played relatively well. They liked him enough to pick him 5th overall a year ago, and now they need to move on from him?
Yes, Watson is a top 5 QB and much better than Tua, but they'd also have to give up at least two 1sts, including the #3 overall. We are all trying to convince ourselves that Darnold is still salvageable after 3 years of progressively worse QB play. Tua arguably just had a better season that Sam has ever had and went 6-3 as a starter.
Is this a narrative created from Deshaun saying it would be nice to live in Miami with no income tax or is this something the Dolphins organization is reported to have interested in?
Right now I think any destinations for Watson are purely speculative. Somebody said he would be “open” to the idea of Miami. And couple that with them having the resources they have it makes sense.
From a compensation perspective we can outbid whatever Miami has to offer. But that might not matter for two possible reasons:
1. Watson refuses to play here but is open to Miami
2. Houston believes Tua is a QB worth having and developing and they can use the #3 on a non QB to infuse talent onto their roster.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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From @GMFB
: #Texans QB Deshaun Watson has not asked for a trade and the team hasn’t said they’ll trade him… but teams are calling, anyway. The #Jets and #Dolphins have been discussed publicly, but don’t dismiss the #Panthers being in the mix.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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From @GMFB
: #Texans QB Deshaun Watson has not asked for a trade and the team hasn’t said they’ll trade him… but teams are calling, anyway. The #Jets and #Dolphins have been discussed publicly, but don’t dismiss the #Panthers being in the mix.
Somethings gotta be brewing
We wouldve seen this gotten shot down categorically in 24 hours if discussions weren't happening
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Somethings gotta be brewing
We wouldve seen this gotten shot down categorically in 24 hours if discussions weren't happening
Not necessarily
The texans haven't hired a HC yet. So in a potential pissing match between leadership and Watson anyone shooting anything down gives the other side leverage
(ie if the team shoots it down, then Watson says anything different the team suddenly looks like liars and a full blown circus)
Jets and dolphins are only being discussed because of their draft/QB situations, being more obvious options than anything.
It's possible that something is brewing, but it's just as likely this is all tabloid level bullshit.
Not to mention from a basic logic standpoint none of this excrement should be happening before hiring a freaking coach. Who knows if a new HC would want Tua Darnold Fields Wilson or would be jerk buddies with Watson
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The Panthers have nothing to give for Watson.
If he's traded, it's between the Jets and Dolphins. No one else can compete.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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From @GMFB
: #Texans QB Deshaun Watson has not asked for a trade and the team hasn’t said they’ll trade him… but teams are calling, anyway. The #Jets and #Dolphins have been discussed publicly, but don’t dismiss the #Panthers being in the mix.
Carolina is far preferable to Miami for us
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The Panthers have nothing to give for Watson.
If he's traded, it's between the Jets and Dolphins. No one else can compete.
this
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Not necessarily
The texans haven't hired a HC yet. So in a potential pissing match between leadership and Watson anyone shooting anything down gives the other side leverage
(ie if the team shoots it down, then Watson says anything different the team suddenly looks like liars and a full blown circus)
Jets and dolphins are only being discussed because of their draft/QB situations, being more obvious options than anything.
It's possible that something is brewing, but it's just as likely this is all tabloid level bullshit.
Not to mention from a basic logic standpoint none of this excrement should be happening before hiring a freaking coach. Who knows if a new HC would want Tua Darnold Fields Wilson or would be jerk buddies with Watson
Since when have the Texans operated fron a basic logic standpoint
I know they got rid of O Brien. But the owners a grade A moron and it'd a total shitshow there
What I'm saying is, within 24 hours we've heard far too much for it not to be legit
I'm not even saying he ends up traded
But phone calls are happening for sure confirmed as much
At the very least tjis has escalated from reading too far into Watson social media
To an actual discussion happening internally
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Mortensen is reporting that things are so far gone that even if the Texans fired Easterby it wouldn't matter now, Watson's problem is as much with McNair. Although Mortensen is, to be generous, hit and miss with his stories.
Dan Orlovsky tweeted that based on what he's been told by people in the organization, we've been hearing that things are bad but they're actually way worse.
I'm starting to think this might actually rise above the level of bored people gossiping on the internet.
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I don't think trades can happen until free agency starts 3/17.
It definitely can't happen before the sb
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Mortensen is reporting that things are so far gone that even if the Texans fired Easterby it wouldn't matter now, Watson's problem is as much with McNair. Although Mortensen is, to be generous, hit and miss with his stories.
Dan Orlovsky tweeted that based on what he's been told by people in the organization, we've been hearing that things are bad but they're actually way worse.
I'm starting to think this might actually rise above the level of bored people gossiping on the internet.
I don't think trades can happen until free agency starts 3/17.
It definitely can't happen before the sb
too bad this has to percolate until March. A lot can happen between now and then.
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lolwut
That's worse than flying banners behind planes.
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lolwut
That's worse than flying banners behind planes.
I think I prefer a march in favor of keeping Deshaun Watson as opposed to flying planes wanting to get somebody fired in his 2nd season like Idzik. Both are lame though.
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Idiots can't even afford a plane, lame #SAD
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I don't think trades can happen until free agency starts 3/17.
It definitely can't happen before the sb
There is a difference between officially happening and the trade being worked out.
The last several years a few trades have been worked out and announced prior to the start of FA and only become official at that time. I believe Nuk Hopkins was one of those last year. Now I don't think that trade is happening tomorrow or anything of the sort, but I think if things are a total trainwreck it could happen in the next couple weeks and possibly be announced right before/after the super bowl
I am now envisioning waking up on Super Bowl Sunday to a Chiefs / Packers matchup and news breaks that the Texans have agreed to trade Watson to the Jets....
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dont cry for me, im already dead
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dont cry for me, im already dead
lol Barney Gumble
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Theyre interviewing Bienemy
It was an exciting 24 hours though
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https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/1351527576175566851?s=20
Lance lives in Houston and he's incredibly tapped in
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https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/1351527576175566851?s=20
Lance lives in Houston and he's incredibly tapped in
(https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/12/aVOSkIC.gif)
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Interesting.
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https://twitter.com/blakenyjets/status/1351271827226701824?s=21
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Theyre interviewing Bienemy
It was an exciting 24 hours though
https://twitter.com/lancezierlein/status/1351521464097398785?s=21
Lol
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He will be a Dolphin unless they don't want to pay up for him in draft picks.
I think it would interesting to see what happens in the following scenario: Assume he requests a trade and the Texans realize they need to do it. It's down to the Jets and Dolphins. Say the Jets offer a slightly better package to the Texans than the Dolphins. The Texans don't particularly care which place he goes, they just want the better deal. They decide to take the Jets offer. What if Watson would rather go to the Dolphins because they have a better situation right now for him to win year 1, he likes Miami, he likes Cuban chicks, whatever. Does he threaten using the no trade clause to go to his preferred choice? This would force the Texans to decide whether to call his bluff and tell him he has to either stay in Houston or go to NY because the deal is better. How far does the game of chicken go?
Obviously, if he is fairly indifferent on which place he goes, the best deal wins.
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IncarceratedBob tweeted that Mike Tannebaum thinks the offer from the Jets should be 2 first round picks, a 2nd rounder, and Quinnen Williams.
Initial Thoughts:
-IncareratedBob is an imbecile
-I love Quinnen Williams, but i would do that deal in a heartbeat.
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IncarceratedBob tweeted that Mike Tannebaum thinks the offer from the Jets should be 2 first round picks, a 2nd rounder, and Quinnen Williams.
Initial Thoughts:
-IncareratedBob is an imbecile
-I love Quinnen Williams, but i would do that deal in a heartbeat.
I like Q, but he can be replaced by a lesser version and we'd be better off with Watson as a team.
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IncarceratedBob tweeted that Mike Tannebaum thinks the offer from the Jets should be 2 first round picks, a 2nd rounder, and Quinnen Williams.
Tannebaum said this on ESPN the other day. He said that's what he'd offer.
QB is easily more important than DT. It would suck to lose Q, but you'd have to pull the trigger if this kind of deal got it done.
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Tannebaum said this on ESPN the other day. He said that's what he'd offer.
QB is easily more important than DT. It would suck to lose Q, but you'd have to pull the trigger if this kind of deal got it done.
Absolutely
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I would really want to avoid trading Q, but that’s a chip that could put us over the Dolphins. They don’t have a young cost controlled player anywhere near as good as him.
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I would not offer that deal. I would consider it if it was what Houston asked for, but if we're taking on a massive contract like Watson's then we need to cognizant of retaining elite players on cheap deals as much as possible.
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I would not offer that deal.
Then you shouldn't have rooted for wins
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Then you shouldn't have rooted for wins
I should have rooted harder for the other 14.
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We should not trade for an elite player at the most important position in sports because we have an inexpensive defensive tackle that we need to hang on to
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We should not trade for an elite player at the most important position in sports because we have an inexpensive defensive tackle that we need to hang on to
What idiot said that?
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JE's final offer: conditional 6th rounder in 2027 for Watson.
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I would totally agree to that deal but I think we can do it without putting Q on the table.
I’m also willing to bet that Easterby would be scared off by the weapons charge.
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Not to defend JE here...
But he said he wouldn't make that offer but would be open to it if Houston wanted Q.
I agree with him. My initial offer is going to be all draft pick compensation, or added in a player Idgaf about in terms of my long term franchise plan (C.J. Mosely perhaps or George Fant). If Houston counters and says we need Williams, I am willing to negotiate things, but want some draft picks back from my original offer, so on and so forth goes the negotiation process.
Ultimately I'd part with Q for an elite QB. Wouldn't even bat an eye if that was the only hold-up. But I'm still not opening with a piece I want for the long term on my roster.
3 1's and a 2 should get it done IMO, assuming Watson is willing to play here. If I have to go to 4 1's and a 2, so be it. If Q is needed to save a first rounder or allow us to outbid Miami? So be it.
I know people get hung up on draft picks a ton (as do I for sure) but the Rams last first round pick was Jared Goff, and they've made the postseason every year and lost a super bowl in that time frame. If we paid 4 firsts for Watson, we would only be missing 2 years of first rounders for an elite QB, and damnit all that's an easy price to pay.
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Not to defend JE here...
Stop defending him
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https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/1351527576175566851?s=20
Lance lives in Houston and he's incredibly tapped in
I can only get so erect here.
I just want a formal opportunity from Houston for him to seek a trade. If that happens, then JD and Saleh can make a pitch to Watson on why he should be a Jet. If that actually happens, I can't see Watson hearing what those two have to say (especially since he wanted Saleh interviewed) and not being willing to come to NY. He might not pick us as the only place he will go with the NTC, but we would be on his list. I feel very confident in that.
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I can only get so erect here.
I just want a formal opportunity from Houston for him to seek a trade. If that happens, then JD and Saleh can make a pitch to Watson on why he should be a Jet. If that actually happens, I can't see Watson hearing what those two have to say (especially since he wanted Saleh interviewed) and not being willing to come to NY. He might not pick us as the only place he will go with the NTC, but we would be on his list. I feel very confident in that.
I think the Texans know he wants out bad enough that he will go most anywhere.
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I would totally agree to that deal but I think we can do it without putting Q on the table.
I’m also willing to bet that Easterby would be scared off by the weapons charge.
Just have Q wear a turban during trade negotiations
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Then you shouldn't have rooted for wins
Boom roasted
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I think the Texans know he wants out bad enough that he will go most anywhere.
Its possible. But if I was Watson and I could basically control my destination? I probably would do that. Frankly if I were him I'd want the NFC simply because all the top QBs are aging (Brady, Brees, Rodgers) and I could own that conference.
But freak that Watson, come be the king of NY and go win a title here to become a locked in NFL HOFer
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But if I was Watson and I could basically control my destination?
Does he really? The no trade clause gives him some leverage, but not control. The Texans could counter his team preferences with the fact that they could make him stay in Houston if he doesn't take the offer they prefer. Then it becomes a game of chicken because Houston wouldn't want to deal with him staying, bitching, and threatening holdout, and Watson doesn't want to stay in Houston.
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Quinnen Williams is one of my favorite players on the team. And i would drive his derriere to the airport post haste if it meant we landed Watson.
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Does he really? The no trade clause gives him some leverage, but not control. The Texans could counter his team preferences with the fact that they could make him stay in Houston if he doesn't take the offer they prefer. Then it becomes a game of chicken because Houston wouldn't want to deal with him staying, bitching, and threatening holdout, and Watson doesn't want to stay in Houston.
At the end of the day it's my personal opinion that Watson holds Houston by the balls. He has all the leverage in my eyes, because if they decide to say F-you to Watson and make him hold out, no other player who has a choice is going to be lining up to go to that organization considering how wrong they have treated Watson, how poorly they are run and how much of a disaster it is right now. In the end they will do the self-serving thing and trade Watson because it's better for them if he's gone and they can actually get real assets for him.
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At the end of the day it's my personal opinion that Watson holds Houston by the balls. He has all the leverage in my eyes, because if they decide to say F-you to Watson and make him hold out, no other player who has a choice is going to be lining up to go to that organization considering how wrong they have treated Watson, how poorly they are run and how much of a disaster it is right now. In the end they will do the self-serving thing and trade Watson because it's better for them if he's gone and they can actually get real assets for him.
Except in this case watson has no leverage. What you've called out are grievances not leverage..
Players have no power in the nfl
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https://twitter.com/jetupnationcrew/status/1351577336936804353?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jetupnationcrew/status/1351577336936804353?s=21
I would die of dehydration drooling over this, including that trade compensation.
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https://twitter.com/jetupnationcrew/status/1351577336936804353?s=21
Brb...*grabs jergens*
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I would die of dehydration drooling over this, including that trade compensation.
https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1351556103021191177?s=20
Everyone join me in the lolz re: Lions compensation
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https://twitter.com/LanceZierlein/status/1351527576175566851?s=20
Lance lives in Houston and he's incredibly tapped in
https://twitter.com/lancezierlein/status/1351552823339741186?s=21
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https://twitter.com/lancezierlein/status/1351552823339741186?s=21
Obviously depressing. I wonder which side he's getting that from, Watson or Houston.
Like I said before we just need a chance for JD and Saleh to make the pitch to Watson. If that happens, we have as good a shot as anybody. If it doesn't happen, I can't see him agreeing to come to NY.
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https://twitter.com/lancezierlein/status/1351552823339741186?s=21
Welp, if he’s right and Deshaun goes to Miami I hope the Jets stock up on pass rushers because I do not want to watch two games a season of Deshaun Watson having time to throw against us.
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https://twitter.com/lancezierlein/status/1351552823339741186?s=21
SMOKESCREEN
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Obviously depressing. I wonder which side he's getting that from, Watson or Houston.
Like I said before we just need a chance for JD and Saleh to make the pitch to Watson. If that happens, we have as good a shot as anybody. If it doesn't happen, I can't see him agreeing to come to NY.
We also need to ship A-Rob & Watson. Only so many teams can and would make that happen
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Welp, if he’s right and Deshaun goes to Miami I hope the Jets stock up on pass rushers because I do not want to watch two games a season of Deshaun Watson having time to throw against us.
Welp, if he’s right and Deshaun goes to Miami I hope the Jets stock up on pass rushers because I do not want to watch two games a season of Deshaun Watson having time to throw against us.
When it inevitably happens that the Jets are unable to complete a trade for Watson, and he goes to literally any other team in the league (or stays in Houston) I will be beyond devastated to the point that no matter what we actually do accomplish this offseason will feel like a failure. If he ends up in Miami? Then by all means freak us square in the poopchute.
I did read something that said if Miami's makes a move of something like
#3, #18 and Tua for Watson, then their cap has like $3 million remaining for this year, as Tua's bonuses from future years accelerates to this one and of course the addition of Watson's salary. So it would severely limit the Fins ability to build out the roster. For sure a playoff team, but I'm not sure they are a SB contender (more so than any other playoff squad is). So our hell would likely be just limited is all.
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We also need to ship around and watson. Only so many teams can and would make that happen
That $70 million in cap space this year AFTER paying Watson would allow us to fix a lot of holes, particularly 2 big ones on offense with a big WR and Guard and still have some funds to bring in role players on defense to help build up the Saleh scheme.
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When it inevitably happens that the Jets are unable to complete a trade for Watson, and he goes to literally any other team in the league (or stays in Houston) I will be beyond devastated to the point that no matter what we actually do accomplish this offseason will feel like a failure. If he ends up in Miami? Then by all means freak us square in the poopchute.
I did read something that said if Miami's makes a move of something like
#3, #18 and Tua for Watson, then their cap has like $3 million remaining for this year, as Tua's bonuses from future years accelerates to this one and of course the addition of Watson's salary. So it would severely limit the Fins ability to build out the roster. For sure a playoff team, but I'm not sure they are a SB contender (more so than any other playoff squad is). So our hell would likely be just limited is all.
I'm only concerned with their success on two games a year with this scenario.
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When it inevitably happens that the Jets are unable to complete a trade for Watson, and he goes to literally any other team in the league (or stays in Houston) I will be beyond devastated to the point that no matter what we actually do accomplish this offseason will feel like a failure.
I feel like you're having some issues with your perspective.
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When it inevitably happens that the Jets are unable to complete a trade for Watson, and he goes to literally any other team in the league (or stays in Houston) I will be beyond devastated to the point that no matter what we actually do accomplish this offseason will feel like a failure. If he ends up in Miami? Then by all means freak us square in the poopchute.
I did read something that said if Miami's makes a move of something like
#3, #18 and Tua for Watson, then their cap has like $3 million remaining for this year, as Tua's bonuses from future years accelerates to this one and of course the addition of Watson's salary. So it would severely limit the Fins ability to build out the roster. For sure a playoff team, but I'm not sure they are a SB contender (more so than any other playoff squad is). So our hell would likely be just limited is all.
settle down, tiger.
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Just don't go in our division and I'm good.
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Just don't go in our division and I'm good.
you lose
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I like that this Watson trade talk is all in the lolTexans thread. It's like we're all trying to keep it a secret.
I love Quinnen. I would rather give up three 1sts and a 2nd and keep Quinnen. But if they want Quinnen instead, sorry, he's gone. Blessyathankaseeya.
If he has an issue with ownership, and it sounds like he does, then he's going to request a trade. Zuerlein clearly thinks so and he would know better than most. The Texans don't have to oblige, but they did just go 4-12 with him and don't have their 1st-round pick. If the Texans GM loves one of these quarterbacks at 2, they can restart with that guy on a rookie contract, several other 1st-round picks, and they can start a rebuild.
And the best part is we would get a Day 2 pick back for Darnold from someone most likely. Or maybe the Texans want Darnold, who knows.
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for me any deshaun watson talk is one of those things im not going to talk about or waste time thinking about until something actually happens lol. ill see you guys in this thread if something/anything happens.
the texans dont actually have to do anything and theres a lot of time between now and opening day 2021
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I don’t think we are trying to keep it a secret so much as try not to get our hopes up to high.
All I’ve been saying is just pray to whatever god you pray to that Watson will have a meeting with Saleh and JD. If he does I think they can convince him to be a Jet.
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I don’t think we are trying to keep it a secret so much as try not to get our hopes up to high.
All I’ve been saying is just pray to whatever god you pray to that Watson will have a meeting with Saleh and JD. If he does I think they can convince him to be a Jet.
I have a pretty similar feeling to this as I did to Brett Favre. I thought the Jets would get Favre when he came out of retirement. I thought that we made the most sense for him at that time.
We have the biggest need. We have the most draft capital and the highest picks. Watson seems willing to come here if he's liking social media posts.
The biggest obstacle by far is whether or not the Texans are willing to pull the trigger. Everything else lines up perfectly. I'm hoping he demands a trade soon. Then I'm hoping that the Texans' new brass thinks that this isn't worth the headache, and they take our deal.
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I have a pretty similar feeling to this as I did to Brett Favre. I thought the Jets would get Favre when he came out of retirement. I thought that we made the most sense for him at that time.
We have the biggest need. We have the most draft capital and the highest picks. Watson seems willing to come here if he's liking social media posts.
The biggest obstacle by far is whether or not the Texans are willing to pull the trigger. Everything else lines up perfectly. I'm hoping he demands a trade soon. Then I'm hoping that the Texans' new brass thinks that this isn't worth the headache, and they take our deal.
We can only hope this is how it plays out
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There's also a chance that the Jets are extremely high on Wilson or Fields to the point that they are confident that they can be the next Deshaun Watson at a much cheaper cost of trade value and salary.
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Easterby would love Wilson.
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There's also a chance that the Jets are extremely high on Wilson or Fields to the point that they are confident that they can be the next Deshaun Watson at a much cheaper cost of trade value and salary.
There is that chance, at the end of the process. But I can't see them being absolutely certain about any of the QBs Lawrence included until they get to meet him and put him on a white board and do all the requisite tests that teams put QBs through.
If this Watson comes together quickly (prior to NFL FA) we would need to make a comparison between Watson and an incomplete data set in Wilson/Fields. Don't overthink it, just go get Watson.
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And the best part is we would get a Day 2 pick back for Darnold from someone most likely. Or maybe the Texans want Darnold, who knows.
I'm just eternally glad that I get to share a little web community with a bunch of people who know that Darnold is excrement and broken beyond repair while actual football teams and people that they pay hundreds of thousands or in some cases millions of dollars a year to haven't yet realised it and are willing to give up valuable draft capital to demonstrate how much less they know than the internet randoms.
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I'm just eternally glad that I get to share a little web community with a bunch of people who know that Darnold is excrement and broken beyond repair while actual football teams and people that they pay hundreds of thousands or in some cases millions of dollars a year to haven't yet realised it and are willing to give up valuable draft capital to demonstrate how much less they know than the internet randoms.
I like to think you're smarter than that, but you keep proving otherwise.
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I like that this Watson trade talk is all in the lolTexans thread. It's like we're all trying to keep it a secret.
If we start a new thread we'll jinx it. We can't afford any more nonsense after what JE pulled.
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for me any deshaun watson talk is one of those things im not going to talk about or waste time thinking about until something actually happens lol. ill see you guys in this thread if something/anything happens.
the texans dont actually have to do anything and theres a lot of time between now and opening day 2021
Yeah, it basically comes down to 3 things, and the first 2 are completely out of our team's control.
1. Texans agree to trade Watson
2. Watson names the Jets as a team he'll waive his NTC for
3. Jets win the bidding war
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Yeah, it basically comes down to 3 things, and the first 2 are completely out of our team's control.
1. Texans agree to trade Watson
2. Watson names the Jets as a team he'll waive his NTC for
3. Jets win the bidding war
I think 2 is a non-factor.
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I think 2 is a non-factor.
I disagree for sure. He has to be willing to come here. He knows he will be in high demand and will be able to pick his spot within reason. It's not like only 2-3 teams would be interested in the guy, probably 25 teams would have varying degrees of interest in him.
If he has the choice between Detroit or New Orleans and Houston is about to send him to Detroit you don't think he'd veto that to try and get to the Saints instead? He knows he can get out of Houston either way, so he knows he can leave, so he will likely only play in a few situations.
That's why I've said it a few times today already, we just need him to agree to meet with Douglas and Saleh (once the trade gates have officially opened) the entire thing hinges on their ability to sell him on our vision for a team. Both Saleh and Douglas are extremely well respected and by all accounts have the goods to develop one of the best cultures in sports, and I think if Watson hears what they have to say, he will like it and be willing to come here, maybe not as his #1 choice, but certainly as a team he would play for. We need to figure out how to convince him to let our guys pitch him. If he doesn't want anything to do with the Jets then there isn't any amount we can pay Houston to get him here and that's the first hurdle we have to climb for any potential deal to happen.
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I disagree for sure. He has to be willing to come here. He knows he will be in high demand and will be able to pick his spot within reason. It's not like only 2-3 teams would be interested in the guy, probably 25 teams would have varying degrees of interest in him.
If he has the choice between Detroit or New Orleans and Houston is about to send him to Detroit you don't think he'd veto that to try and get to the Saints instead? He knows he can get out of Houston either way, so he knows he can leave, so he will likely only play in a few situations.
That's why I've said it a few times today already, we just need him to agree to meet with Douglas and Saleh (once the trade gates have officially opened) the entire thing hinges on their ability to sell him on our vision for a team. Both Saleh and Douglas are extremely well respected and by all accounts have the goods to develop one of the best cultures in sports, and I think if Watson hears what they have to say, he will like it and be willing to come here, maybe not as his #1 choice, but certainly as a team he would play for. We need to figure out how to convince him to let our guys pitch him. If he doesn't want anything to do with the Jets then there isn't any amount we can pay Houston to get him here and that's the first hurdle we have to climb for any potential deal to happen.
i don't think anybody from the jets can actually speak to him or give him a 'pitch' unless the texans have opened trade negotiations with us themselves and they've agreed a trade with us. i'm sure he'd be allowed to talk to us in order to make a decision about his NTC, but any other communication before that and other than that would be tampering
the only people that can pitch the jets to him right now are reporters/analysts/talking heads and the randos on twitter
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i don't think anybody from the jets can actually speak to him or give him a 'pitch' unless the texans have opened trade negotiations with us themselves and they've agreed a trade with us. i'm sure he'd be allowed to talk to us in order to make a decision about his NTC, but any other communication before that and other than that would be tampering
the only people that can pitch the jets to him right now are reporters/analysts/talking heads and the randos on twitter
The chances of his agent not taking calls from pretty much every GM in the league are zero. Every team's exact level of interest is known and pitches have already been and continue to be made.
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The Texans also don't have to trade him. Watson does have the NTC, but the Texans own his rights, and Watson can't get paid unless he shows up.
I don't see it getting to a point where Watson has so much leverage he chooses where to go. If Watson says he only wants to play in New Orleans, and New Orleans is offering two late 1sts, while we're offering the No. 2 pick, another 1st-rounder, and 1-2 other picks, Houston is going to hang on to him and play hardball.
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I like to think you're smarter than that, but you keep proving otherwise.
It's an entertaining dichotomy to try and figure out. Last time I asked you said it was because all the beat writers think that that's what he's worth, but you don't.
If he's worth a 2nd round pick, he's not broken beyond repair. No one spends a second round pick on a player they think doesn't have a very decent chance of being excellent, because it's literally the second most valuable pick a team has. We fire GMs for wasting 2nd round picks on players who don't become starters. So I'm genuinely intrigued why people who think that Darnold is broken and/or excrement is going to command one.
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It's an entertaining dichotomy to try and figure out. Last time I asked you said it was because all the beat writers think that that's what he's worth, but you don't.
If he's worth a 2nd round pick, he's not broken beyond repair. No one spends a second round pick on a player they think doesn't have a very decent chance of being excellent, because it's literally the second most valuable pick a team has. We fire GMs for wasting 2nd round picks on players who don't become starters. So I'm genuinely intrigued why people who think that Darnold is broken and/or excrement is going to command one.
I think he gets a 3rd-round pick. I think that's a fair risk to take for a quarterback who was a high pick not too long ago and you can sell a narrative on him. Nick Foles got a 4th-round pick, and Darnold has more upside. We could probably squeeze out a later pick, too.
I typically say we get a 2nd-round pick for him because it seems like others think we can get more for him.
I also never said he was broken beyond repair, so I'm not sure who you're arguing against. I think there's a chance Darnold can still turn into a quality quarterback. Just like there's a chance a 3rd-round quarterback can turn into a quality quarterback. The odds are against it, but it can happen. I want to like him, but he was bad this year in a way that goes well beyond Adam Gase.
If the new regime wants to sell me on Darnold, I'm just skeptical because I've watched him play, and there are far more bad plays than good ones.
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It's an entertaining dichotomy to try and figure out. Last time I asked you said it was because all the beat writers think that that's what he's worth, but you don't.
If he's worth a 2nd round pick, he's not broken beyond repair. No one spends a second round pick on a player they think doesn't have a very decent chance of being excellent, because it's literally the second most valuable pick a team has. We fire GMs for wasting 2nd round picks on players who don't become starters. So I'm genuinely intrigued why people who think that Darnold is broken and/or excrement is going to command one.
A 2nd round pick for a QB is a budget value.
Especially when he's a young, cost controlled, QB with starter potential, even while seeming like he's broken.
I mean what's the price for a legit young QB?its typically not even quantifiable
So a 2nd for even a broken QB isn't an exorbitant price
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He's either staying in Houston or going to Miami. Prepare your anus for the latter.
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Per Jeremy Fowler, the floor for a Watson trade is 3 firsts
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Per Jeremy Fowler, the floor for a Watson trade is 3 firsts
Which only 3 teams can offer them in the next 2 years.
Jags - won’t happen it’s in the division
Dolphins - if they do their team is instantly cap strapped and they need to cut players just to sign their rookies let alone add pieces
Jets- best mix of team with draft capital and cap space to continue building around Watson. This is without a doubt the team that can offer the best package. U will Watson wanna go here?
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Which only 3 teams can offer them in the next 2 years.
Jags - won’t happen it’s in the division
Dolphins - if they do their team is instantly cap strapped and they need to cut players just to sign their rookies let alone add pieces
Jets- best mix of team with draft capital and cap space to continue building around Watson. This is without a doubt the team that can offer the best package. U will Watson wanna go here?
Well hopefully Watson cares more about our other positives than he does about climate and state income tax.
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Watson's agent has some interesting opinions on his new car's color.
https://twitter.com/jetstothewest/status/1351784369753530370?s=19
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Which only 3 teams can offer them in the next 2 years.
Jags - won’t happen it’s in the division
Dolphins - if they do their team is instantly cap strapped and they need to cut players just to sign their rookies let alone add pieces
Jets- best mix of team with draft capital and cap space to continue building around Watson. This is without a doubt the team that can offer the best package. U will Watson wanna go here?
If i was a Texans fan trading him to the Jaguars would be my top choice by far. Except there's no freaking way in the world Jacksonville would do that.
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Dolphins - if they do their team is instantly cap strapped and they need to cut players just to sign their rookies let alone add pieces
His cap hit is only $10.5M for 2021
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His cap hit is only $10.5M for 2021
Yeah But Still
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Watson's agent has some interesting opinions on his new car's color.
https://twitter.com/jetstothewest/status/1351784369753530370?s=19
welp
if that's really his agent then consider me REELED THE FVCK IN
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welp
if that's really his agent then consider me REELED THE FVCK IN
How are we not the ones getting played here? I feel Watson's camp is using the traction of Watson to the Jets as just twist the Texans' FO's arm.
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How are we not the ones getting played here? I feel Watson's camp is using the traction of Watson to the Jets as just twist the Texans' FO's arm.
What does he want from the Texans at this point? I don't see much they can do to unfuck the situation.
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What does he want from the Texans at this point? I don't see much they can do to unfuck the situation.
Well OTOH, what does he gain by revealing his hand publically?
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Well OTOH, what does he gain by revealing his hand publically?
Puts a massive amount of pressure on the Jets to make it happen
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haha....we have another 6 weeks of this. Get used to it.
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Puts a massive amount of pressure on the Jets to make it happen
And tells the Texans who to listen to.
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Puts a massive amount of pressure on the Jets to make it happen
And tells the Texans who to listen to.
Fair points, but couldn't they (Watson's camp & Texans FO) just do all these internally?
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Fair points, but couldn't they (Watson's camp & Texans FO) just do all these internally?
Public pressure gets things done.
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His cap hit is only $10.5M for 2021
From what I read it actually has more to do with Trading Tua than Watsons salary. All of Tuas bonus money spread out over the life of the deal accelerates to this year if traded. So the move for Watson and sending out Tua costs something like $25 million on the Phins cap space and they only have about $30 million right now.
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From what I read it actually has more to do with Trading Tua than Watsons salary. All of Tuas bonus money spread out over the life of the deal accelerates to this year if traded. So the move for Watson and sending out Tua costs something like $25 million on the Phins cap space and they only have about $30 million right now.
I like this
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Fair points, but couldn't they (Watson's camp & Texans FO) just do all these internally?
I think that the reports coming out of the Texans organization and Deshaun's camp prove that he's done dealing with them internally at just about every level.
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I like this
I'm checking things against OTC now to see if what I read was actually right
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I'm checking things against OTC now to see if what I read was actually right
OTC is way more accurate than spotrac. They steal excrement from OTC and pass it off as their own.
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From what I read it actually has more to do with Trading Tua than Watsons salary. All of Tuas bonus money spread out over the life of the deal accelerates to this year if traded. So the move for Watson and sending out Tua costs something like $25 million on the Phins cap space and they only have about $30 million right now.
Playing Devil's advocate, they don't have to include Tua in a deal and if I'm Houston, I wouldn't be impressed enough with anything Tua has done to consider him in a trade.
Same thing with Darnold in case anyone wants to go down that road.
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From what I read it actually has more to do with Trading Tua than Watsons salary. All of Tuas bonus money spread out over the life of the deal accelerates to this year if traded. So the move for Watson and sending out Tua costs something like $25 million on the Phins cap space and they only have about $30 million right now.
That doesn't make sense.
https://overthecap.com/player/tua-tagovailoa/8745/
It would cost them $25M to cut him, but if they trade him before the 3rd day of the league year then they're only on the hook for the prorated bonus which amounts to about $15M. Unless you're also factoring in Watson's cap hit to get to the $25M?
I don't know if I believe that a bit of cap crunch, which could easily be alleviated by restructuring one or two of those deals, would be enough to prevent the Dolphins from doing the deal. I think there might be other reasons they'd choose not to e.g. they actually believe in Tua.
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Playing Devil's advocate, they don't have to include Tua in a deal and if I'm Houston, I wouldn't be impressed enough with anything Tua has done to consider him in a trade.
Same thing with Darnold in case anyone wants to go down that road.
I agree, I think dealing Tua or Darnold would be separate deals somewhere else.
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The rest of the Sherman quote:
“It would be the most beautiful. Decent offensive line. They’d have to find some threats, they’d have to find some offensive weapons, but I think there would be a lot more people excited to be there. I think the free-agency market this year is gonna be oversaturated because of the salary cap, but that’s what I would do. I’d be out of there on the first thing smokin’.”
“They’re saying [Watson is] not answering any calls or any texts — I wouldn’t either,” Sherman said. “He’s done everything. He’s taken a beating for you guys and played efficiently.”
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Playing Devil's advocate, they don't have to include Tua in a deal and if I'm Houston, I wouldn't be impressed enough with anything Tua has done to consider him in a trade.
Same thing with Darnold in case anyone wants to go down that road.
I think Tua would be more attractive than Darnold if for no other reason than their respective contracts. If the Texans trade Watson they're basically committing to a full rebuild - Tunsil is probably about the only guy they don't take calls on. Tua means that they can trade the #3 for probably a good return, and have both picks and space with which to kickstart the process. They have a new GM, the last thing he wants to be doing is trying to manoeuvre with no picks and no cap room.
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https://twitter.com/ustadium/status/1351928005757693955?s=21
LOLSTADIUM UPDATE
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So Per OTC The Dolphins currently have $26.5 million and change in cap space for 2021. Dolphins OTC Page (https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins/)https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins/
Acquiring Watson and his 10.5 million in space drops that to $16 million and change. Trading Tua comes with a cap charge of $14.7 million dollars, the total cap ramifications of Trading away Tua in a deal for Watson amounts to about $25.2 million of their cap space. Which means before any other moves are made their cap is down to $1.3 million dollars.
Given they went on a spending spree last offseason they only really have the following guys who are cuttable for significant cap space savings of at least $5 million:
Xavien Howard - Saves $9.3 million
Kyle Van Noy - Saves $9.75 million
Emmanuel Ogbah - Saves $7.5 million
Bobby McCain - Saves $5.6 million
Now Howard is a DPOY candidate, Ogbah was their best pass rusher. They just signed Van Noy a year ago and McCain was a guy who played 89.4% of their snaps on defense last year.
All of them are significant contributors to that roster. If they are cut, they need to be replaced, and now they traded a huge chunk of that draft capital away to do so with. If they cut them all, the Dolphins still only have $32 million to sign new guys. That's less than 1/2 the space we would have AFTER trading for Watson, and we wouldn't have just cut 4 key contributors that are needed to help us become a team that can get over the top.
If I were the Dolphins FO and their Fanbase, I would still say freak all that, and go get Watson if he wanted to come here. But I'd certainly have a lower price limit than a team like the Jets because past a certain point I wouldn't be able to build around the guy.
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Given they went on a spending spree last offseason they only really have the following guys who are cuttable for significant cap space savings of at least $5 million:
Xavien Howard - Saves $9.3 million
Kyle Van Noy - Saves $9.75 million
Emmanuel Ogbah - Saves $7.5 million
Bobby McCain - Saves $5.6 million
Now Howard is a DPOY candidate, Ogbah was their best pass rusher. They just signed Van Noy a year ago and McCain was a guy who played 89.4% of their snaps on defense last year.
All of them are significant contributors to that roster. If they are cut, they need to be replaced, and now they traded a huge chunk of that draft capital away to do so with. If they cut them all, the Dolphins still only have $32 million to sign new guys. That's less than 1/2 the space we would have AFTER trading for Watson, and we wouldn't have just cut 4 key contributors that are needed to help us become a team that can get over the top.
Yeah but you don't need to cut any of them, you just need to restructure one or two a bit. Remember that OTC is working with an assumed cap number of $176M which is only for next year based upon the revenue impact of the lockdown, after that we can expect it to be north of $200M so you only have to kick the can down the road for one year and then things open up again.
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That doesn't make sense.
https://overthecap.com/player/tua-tagovailoa/8745/
It would cost them $25M to cut him, but if they trade him before the 3rd day of the league year then they're only on the hook for the prorated bonus which amounts to about $15M. Unless you're also factoring in Watson's cap hit to get to the $25M?
I don't know if I believe that a bit of cap crunch, which could easily be alleviated by restructuring one or two of those deals, would be enough to prevent the Dolphins from doing the deal. I think there might be other reasons they'd choose not to e.g. they actually believe in Tua.
Yeah thats exactly what I meant. Watson's Salary plus the pro-rated Tua cap charge of trading him early is about $15 million. So the combine total is $25 million.
But like you said, if I am Miami, I wouldn't let that hold me back much. I feel like I can figure things out a bit, and renegotiating guys would likely be the easiest solution since they don't have many pieces that they can just cut outright for tangible savings.
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Why cut the best defensive back in the NFL? Why even suggest that?
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If I’m trading Watson, it’s not to get Tua or Darnold. It’s to get the 2 or 3 pick and draft a QB. Not many other players make sense with that pick and it’s the only way you can sell moving on from Watson to your fanbase. Not with some QB from another organization they were perfectly content getting rid of.
Would you rather have your choice at 2 or the leftovers at 3?
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Yeah but you don't need to cut any of them, you just need to restructure one or two a bit. Remember that OTC is working with an assumed cap number of $176M which is only for next year based upon the revenue impact of the lockdown, after that we can expect it to be north of $200M so you only have to kick the can down the road for one year and then things open up again.
If I am reading OTC correctly they are actually planning for a 2022 cap of about 227.5 million and a 2023 cap of $241 million and a 2024 cap of $256 million
And you are right, restructures can and will happen across the league for sure. As I said if I was the Dolphins FO I wouldn't let that stop me from going after Watson. But from our perspective hopefully it just makes it either harder to get a deal for the Fish or they actually believe in Tua and want to give it a go with him.
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If I’m trading Watson, it’s not to get Tua or Darnold. It’s to get the 2 or 3 pick and draft a QB. Not many other players make sense with that pick and it’s the only way you can sell moving on from Watson to your fanbase. Not with some QB from another organization they were perfectly content getting rid of.
Would you rather have your choice at 2 or the leftovers at 3?
I mean, it all depends what the Texans think of Tua and Darnold. Most likely, they would want to start over with their new guy. But maybe they really like Tua or Darnold. If they really like Tua, then our leverage drops a ton because Tua has more value than Darnold, especially if the Texans are willing to roll with Tua. Most likely, you're right, they would rather get their own guy.
It also matters how much they view the difference between Fields/Wilson. If they think it's close, the difference of picks is important but not a dealbreaker. If they love one and hate the other at 2, then it's a huge deal.
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If I’m trading Watson, it’s not to get Tua or Darnold. It’s to get the 2 or 3 pick and draft a QB. Not many other players make sense with that pick and it’s the only way you can sell moving on from Watson to your fanbase. Not with some QB from another organization they were perfectly content getting rid of.
Would you rather have your choice at 2 or the leftovers at 3?
If I'm the Texans I'm seeing a cheap young QB who was drafted high, whose bonus is already paid by someone else, and a whole bunch of opportunity to not worry about that position for a couple of years while I'm rebuilding. It isn't Tua or the #3. If I'm Caserio I'd take Tua ahead of a 2023 first rounder from a team who just got Watson.
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Why cut the best defensive back in the NFL? Why even suggest that?
Financially speaking it saves the most space for them. But they obviously wouldn't cut Howard or Ogbah for pretty much anything after the seasons they just had. My point is there isn't a "simple" cap space creating solution that doesn't kick the can down the road for Miami.
I was just point out ultimately that from a continuing to build after landing Watson situation, we are in better shape to do so than Miami. Now Miami doesn't need to build nearly as far as we do. So who knows who is really in a better position to compete for titles in the next 3 seasons of the two of us if we were to acquire Watson. I just want us to have that chance.
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Watson's agent has some interesting opinions on his new car's color.
https://twitter.com/jetstothewest/status/1351784369753530370?s=19
https://twitter.com/kyleteichert/status/1351916892441743361?s=21
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https://twitter.com/kyleteichert/status/1351916892441743361?s=21
Best comment in the thread from the original post:
https://twitter.com/not_thefake_STV/status/1351867207916134404?s=20 (https://twitter.com/not_thefake_STV/status/1351867207916134404?s=20)
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https://twitter.com/ustadium/status/1351928005757693955?s=21
LOLSTADIUM UPDATE
a-rob ridin his baby momma derriere all the way back to paterson nj
lets do this
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https://twitter.com/thedraftnetwork/status/1352013148832849929?s=21
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If I'm the Texans I'm seeing a cheap young QB who was drafted high, whose bonus is already paid by someone else, and a whole bunch of opportunity to not worry about that position for a couple of years while I'm rebuilding. It isn't Tua or the #3. If I'm Caserio I'd take Tua ahead of a 2023 first rounder from a team who just got Watson.
I think I’m a lot lower on Tua then you are. I was predraft and then wasn’t impressed by what I saw/heard this year. He got benched for Fitz in the Denver game and sat out the Jets game. His stats were fine (other than YPA) and he was relatively efficient. But if you saw what the Miami beat reporters/fans were saying, they ran 2 completely different offense with Fitz and Tua out there. Tua’s offense was all dinks, dunks, checkdowns. Very horizontal. Fitz was 7.8/att and Tua was 6.3/att. Not shocking for a rookie, but why not open up the playbook for him if they were truly trying to evaluate him.
Both Wilson and Fields are better prospects than Tua and have much higher upside. excrement, Mac Jones was more productive than him in the same offense minus Jeudy and Ruggs. One could make the argument that even he’s a better prospect.
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Tua fuckin sucks
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excrement, Mac Jones was more productive than him in the same offense minus Jeudy and Ruggs.
Smith, a few games of Waddle, and Metchie is better than Jeudy/Ruggs
(FWIW, I'd rather have Mac Jones in the NFL)
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Smith, a few games of Waddle, and Metchie is better than Jeudy/Ruggs
(FWIW, I'd rather have Mac Jones in the NFL)
Smith had 1250 yards and 14 TDs Tua’s Jr. year. Waddle had 6 TDs.
Educate me on Metchie
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I think I’m a lot lower on Tua then you are. I was predraft and then wasn’t impressed by what I saw/heard this year. He got benched for Fitz in the Denver game and sat out the Jets game. His stats were fine (other than YPA) and he was relatively efficient. But if you saw what the Miami beat reporters/fans were saying, they ran 2 completely different offense with Fitz and Tua out there. Tua’s offense was all dinks, dunks, checkdowns. Very horizontal. Fitz was 7.8/att and Tua was 6.3/att. Not shocking for a rookie, but why not open up the playbook for him if they were truly trying to evaluate him.
Both Wilson and Fields are better prospects than Tua and have much higher upside. excrement, Mac Jones was more productive than him in the same offense minus Jeudy and Ruggs. One could make the argument that even he’s a better prospect.
I'm not a fan of Tua. But putting my Texans hat on, taking him as part of the trade means I can give him a two year run out and see if he can develop while I use the picks I got for Watson to build out the rest of the roster. Of course, all of this is dependent upon the new head coach and his view of Tua, and he's not there yet. I can't believe that anything is going to happen with Watson until there's a head coach in place.
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Tua fuckin sucks
Hopefully Miami disagrees
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I'm not a fan of Tua. But putting my Texans hat on, taking him as part of the trade means I can give him a two year run out and see if he can develop while I use the picks I got for Watson to build out the rest of the roster. Of course, all of this is dependent upon the new head coach and his view of Tua, and he's not there yet. I can't believe that anything is going to happen with Watson until there's a head coach in place.
As the Texans, you can execute the same exact plan with Darnold instead of Tua. But in this scenario you have the 2 pick, which is more valuable than the 3 pick and ripe for a massive trade down haul.
Like I said, if I’m the Texans GM, this trade is not about Tua vs Darnold. It’s about the value of the 2 pick vs the 3 pick.
The 2 pick allows you to take your next franchise QB. The only other move here is a trade down and the 2 pick makes that more likely.
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Hopefully Miami disagrees
I mean, they did draft him #5 overall, over Justin Herbert, less than a year ago.
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Educate me on Metchie
Catches everything. Deep speed. He's the man next year. Bill O'Brien will probably ruin him.
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As the Texans, you can execute the same exact plan with Darnold instead of Tua. But in this scenario you have the 2 pick, which is more valuable than the 3 pick and ripe for a massive trade down haul.
Like I said, if I’m the Texans GM, this trade is not about Tua vs Darnold. It’s about the value of the 2 pick vs the 3 pick.
The 2 pick allows you to take your next franchise QB. The only other move here is a trade down and the 2 pick makes that more likely.
Yeah, but Darnold only has one year left, Tua has three. That roster isn't a one year rebuild project.
Agreed that it's not Tua v Darnold, but Tua has more value than Darnold given either would presumably be on the table. If I were Caserio I'd have more interest in Tua - I think Darnold has more talent, but Tua is the more valuable piece right now.
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If Miami gets Deshaun Watson, they immediately become a top three NFL team. Not just AFC, but NFL. Their defense is loaded. Watson elevates them.
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https://twitter.com/karlabramson/status/1351990550266839049?s=21
MAGA KARL!!!
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Yeah, but Darnold only has one year left, Tua has three. That roster isn't a one year rebuild project.
Agreed that it's not Tua v Darnold, but Tua has more value than Darnold given either would presumably be on the table. If I were Caserio I'd have more interest in Tua - I think Darnold has more talent, but Tua is the more valuable piece right now.
Can they pick up Darnold’s option? Or can we pick it up and then trade him? Where is dcm
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Can they pick up Darnold’s option? Or can we pick it up and then trade him? Where is dcm
I don't know the answer to the first, but I'm sure that we can pick it up and then trade him.
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The most Jets thing that could happen happen would be to land Watson in a trade only for him to suffer a terrible triad in TC and leave us with James Morgan.
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The most Jets thing that could happen happen would be to land Watson in a trade only for him to suffer a terrible triad in TC and leave us with James Morgan.
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I feel like Deshaun Watson is just freaking with us at this point.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/l1fomu/deshaun_watsons_ig_story_from_november_2018/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share (https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/l1fomu/deshaun_watsons_ig_story_from_november_2018/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
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Just interesting to observe the swing of people wanting the Jets to trade out and stockpile picks. And days later the discussion is the Jets trading all their picks and future picks instead
It's a pretty monumental swing. Regardless having a 25 year old franchise QB would be freaking exciting
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Just interesting to observe the swing of people wanting the Jets to trade out and stockpile picks. And days later the discussion is the Jets trading all their picks and future picks instead
It's a pretty monumental swing. Regardless having a 25 year old franchise QB would be freaking exciting
Yea, really weird. It’s like a completely new, unpredicted scenario cropped up.
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I still think he patches things up with Houston.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdkQ8TaVf0k
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
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Ohio State QB Justin Fields has signed for representation with Athletes First and agent David Mulugheta, who also reps Deshaun Watson.
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https://twitter.com/neweranyjets/status/1352318663173484549?s=21
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https://twitter.com/neweranyjets/status/1352318663173484549?s=21
Who knows, it's all speculation, but I wonder if Doug just isn't willing to part with what it would take to get Watson. Don't even know if he'll leave Houston.
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Who knows, it's all speculation, but I wonder if Doug just isn't willing to part with what it would take to get Watson. Don't even know if he'll leave Houston.
there's probably a certain price for watson that JD is comfortable with which is less than what we as fans would be comfortable with
i'm sure beyond that price JD is thinking of how he can replenish this team/roster on all fronts and build a stable foundation for whoever our next QB is to be successful in. beyond their obvious talent, pat homes walked into a good situation, josh allen walked into a good situation, lamar jackson walked into a good situation
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No one can trade for him until March 17th. No one can even talk to him until then or it's tampering.
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
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Ohio State QB Justin Fields has signed for representation with Athletes First and agent David Mulugheta, who also reps Deshaun Watson.
I have no idea how to feel about this, if anything.
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I have no idea how to feel about this, if anything.
He also represents Dwayne Haskins and Jalen Ramsey. Read into that what you will.
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No one can trade for him until March 17th. No one can even talk to him until then or it's tampering.
I thought the same, but I don't think that is actually true. Teams can agree to trades in principle, but they won't be transacted until 3/17
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He also represents Dwayne Haskins and Jalen Ramsey. Read into that what you will.
We're acquiring them all!
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I thought the same, but I don't think that is actually true. Teams can agree to trades in principle, but they won't be transacted until 3/17
It's not like we can actively recruit the guy. He's not a free agent. Robert Saleh and Joe Douglas can't speak with me until Houston allows it.
Things have to get worse with Watson and Houston before that happens.
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Robert Saleh and Joe Douglas can't speak with me until Houston allows it.
Now we know why Heismanberg never makes it to a tailgate, he's been throwing passes to Nuk every Sunday.
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It's not like we can actively recruit the guy. He's not a free agent. Robert Saleh and Joe Douglas can't speak with me until Houston allows it.
You're Deshaun Watson? I freaking knew it.
Edit: f u JE
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Full head of hair = potentially elite QB
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https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1352627031910080512
Sounds like something that a team trying to keep their QB would do.
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https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1352627031910080512
Sounds like something that a team trying to keep their QB would do.
Unless they plan to promote him to HC when the new HC, whomever that is who takes the job, they will want to hire their own guys, at QB Coach as well
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1352728155648389123?s=19
Would make it easier to include Darnold in the Watson trade if Uncle Josh were involved.
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https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1352627031910080512
Sounds like something that a team trying to keep their QB would do.
Or a team that cannot get anyone to actually interview for their head coaching position.
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Unless they plan to promote him to HC when the new HC, whomever that is who takes the job, they will want to hire their own guys, at QB Coach as well
If he's the key to keeping Watson, then maybe he's a condition of the job for the new guy. He might also be the fallback HC option if they can't find an alternative. I don't know the guy at all but he looks like he's been on a fairly good career trajectory there, going from an offensive assistant in 2015 via assistant OL and then TE coach, to OC for the last two years and also QB coach last year, so he's presumably tight with Watson. He's still only 34 as well.
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1352728155648389123?s=19
Would make it easier to include Darnold in the Watson trade if Uncle Josh were involved.
That is absurd
I can’t imagine Watson would be interested in sticking around if that’s the plan
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Watson would stay for McCown (and Caldwell)
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Watson would stay for McCown (and Caldwell)
Yeah im officially giving up on this dream
We can go back to pretending 3 or 4 dice rolls is better than a future HOF in his prime now
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Watson would stay for McCown (and Caldwell)
Why?
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Why?
Something something Uncle Josh
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Oooooh
https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/1353050457103544320?s=19
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Not that his preference really matters, unless it's only one team.
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Not that his preference really matters, unless it's only one team.
I'd argue that it matters pretty significantly with the No Trade Clause.
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I'd argue that it matters pretty significantly with the No Trade Clause.
But if he says X number of teams are acceptable, then it doesn't matter what level of preference he has.
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Watson's input is purely binary. The Texans would still decide where he goes among the teams he tells them he'd waive the NTC for.
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Oooooh
https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/1353050457103544320?s=19
Given that Schefter was on ESPN about 2 days ago telling Mike Greenberg NOT to get his hopes up but still felt it far more likely Watson would be traded from Houston, just not to the Jets, I have my doubts that A dolphins beat guy (who reminds many of Manish) has inside info from the Watson camp on where he would prefer to play more so than Schefter would.
But freak it I hope this duckweed is right
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Oooooh
https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/1353050457103544320?s=19
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But if he says X number of teams are acceptable, then it doesn't matter what level of preference he has.
Watson's input is purely binary. The Texans would still decide where he goes among the teams he tells them he'd waive the NTC for.
Depends on how they’re operating here. If he gives the Texans a blanket waiver for 3 teams then sure, it doesn’t at all.
If team #1 is interested but team #2 and #3 have a better offer for the Texans, he can still tell them he’ll only waive it for #1.
We don’t know what the process is right now.
If he says
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All gas, no brake
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List the QBs better than Watson in the NFL.
I guess Mahomes and Rodgers. Could maybe toss Russell Wilson and Josh Allen in the same area as Watson.
No way he's a Jet. Laws of physics prevent it.
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List the QBs better than Watson in the NFL.
I guess Mahomes and Rodgers. Could maybe toss Russell Wilson and Josh Allen in the same area as Watson.
No way he's a Jet. Laws of physics prevent it.
Yeah but....all gas, no brake.
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List the QBs better than Watson in the NFL.
I guess Mahomes and Rodgers. Could maybe toss Russell Wilson and Josh Allen in the same area as Watson.
No way he's a Jet. Laws of physics prevent it.
The only two who are definitely better than Watson are Mahomes and Rodgers. I would say Wilson is as well.
So I would put him as QB4 in the league but then again he just lead the league in passing yards and I believe set an NFL record for completion percentage despite an absolute trash supporting cast, changing coaches and having quite likely the least talented team in the league all around if he wasn't on it.
Who knows. But man oh man if he actually were to become a Jet it would be the weirdest moment of virtually all of our fandoms.
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This is part of why you make the Adams trade. Draft Capitol isn't just used for making draft picks. Now a borderline top-5 qb wants to come to town and nobody can top our draft assets.
If we get Watson, the Adams trade will go down as one of the best trades in franchise history
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All gas, no brake
Are you suggesting that this new philosophy of Saleh's defies the laws of physics and thus makes it possible that it can actually happen
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This is part of why you make the Adams trade. Draft Capitol isn't just used for making draft picks. Now a borderline top-5 qb wants to come to town and nobody can top our draft assets.
If we get Watson, the Adams trade will go down as one of the best trades in franchise history
Quite likely the second most important trade in franchise history, with the first being acquiring Watson himself
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Quite likely the second most important trade in franchise history, with the first being acquiring Watson himself
I might argue the Adams trade would be more important.
While I think it was a no-brainer to make that trade, clearly some didn't. Note: I don't think it was a no-brainer to trade Adams - I just think it was a no-brainer to deal him for that package.
Trading picks for Watson would be a pretty obvious move IMO, and it would likely be impossible (or it would hurt a LOT more) if we didn't have the extra picks.
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Just imagine if we hadn't won those 2 games. We might be able to trade #1 for Watson almost straight up and not have to add 2-3 more 1st-round picks.
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Just imagine if we hadn't won those 2 games. We might be able to trade #1 for Watson almost straight up and not have to add 2-3 more 1st-round picks.
I could also see Douglas making the choice not to make said trade. Then it would be a lot of hoping that Lawrence would be an elite prospect who became not just an elite QB but a top 3 QB in football.
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I could also see Douglas making the choice not to make said trade. Then it would be a lot of hoping that Lawrence would be an elite prospect who became not just an elite QB but a top 3 QB in football.
Yep. It's a fair debate on Lawrence vs Watson considering each guy's contract situation.
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Given that Schefter was on ESPN about 2 days ago telling Mike Greenberg NOT to get his hopes up but still felt it far more likely Watson would be traded from Houston, just not to the Jets, I have my doubts that A dolphins beat guy (who reminds many of Manish) has inside info from the Watson camp on where he would prefer to play more so than Schefter would.
But freak it I hope this duckweed is right
Maybe texans told him they wouldn't trade him to the afc?
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Fap material
Trade 3 1st for watson
Trade darnold for a 2nd
Trade crowder for a 3rd + 5th
Draft kadarius Toney
Draft Etienne
Sign A rob
Sign Thuney
Watson
Etienne
A rob
Mims
Toney
Herndon
Becton
Thuney
McGovern
Van roten
Fant
I'm not a fan of drafting running backs high, but Watson, Etienne, and Toney in this offense with two down field threats would be unbelievable
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Why would we trade away the only WR who performed consistently?
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Why would we trade away the only WR who performed consistently?
That 3rd round pick is too valuable man
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Why would we trade away the only WR who performed consistently?
Paying both robinson and crowder isn't really an option.
Sign robinson, trade crowder and draft the best player in the draft for this offense
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A third round pick could be anything! It could even be a Jamison Crowder!
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Bræche the bank for Watson
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Ummm
I won't get my hopes up lol
But yeah boner
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I'd do whatever it takes to get him
Watch FA sprint here to sign
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If this is bullshot I don't want to get hopes up lol
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If you think this team will invest $35mm at wr you're crazy.
You wouldn't want to upgrade crowder for allen robinson?
Crowder is getting paid $10milliom a year, doesn't fit the Shanahan offense, and will be gone next year. Trading him now to make way for a better player and get draft capitol to make up for what was lost in trading for watso. Is a smart move.
It is literally a no brainer
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Like I've said all along, the main holdup will be if the Texans are willing to pull the trigger. If they decide to pull the trigger, we will likely have the best offer. But it might not get ugly enough for them to want to trade him. However, I think it will/is.
I was never worried about Watson not wanting to come here, and while I don't really trust Salguero, I do read this report as confirmation that he's at least willing to come to the Jets.
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Joe Douglas will get Watson at discount prices. You heard it here first.
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Joe Douglas will get Watson at discount prices. You heard it here first.
Depends what you consider a discount.
Both our #1s this year, a 3rd this year, and a 2 next year would be a haul, but I would still consider that a major discount. And it's still a better deal than almost anyone else can offer, considering the value of the #2 overall pick.
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Depends what you consider a discount.
Both our #1s this year, a 3rd this year, and a 2 next year would be a haul, but I would still consider that a major discount. And it's still a better deal than almost anyone else can offer, considering the value of the #2 overall pick.
I'm honestly not worried about overpaying. Watson allows us to bring in other players.
It unlocks Allen Robinson as an option
It encourages Joe thuney
It motivates CJ Moseley
There are so many ancillary benefits to trading for watson no matter the price
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Depends what you consider a discount.
Both our #1s this year, a 3rd this year, and a 2 next year would be a haul, but I would still consider that a major discount. And it's still a better deal than almost anyone else can offer, considering the value of the #2 overall pick.
I dont think we'll have to part with 3 first rounders....just a soxxxx feeling.
I do believe we may have to include someone like Quinnen
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Paying both robinson and crowder isn't really an option.
Sign robinson, trade crowder and draft the best player in the draft for this offense
Can I buy some mushrooms from you?
Who is going to give us two picks so they can take on a one year, $11mil contract?
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I'm honestly not worried about overpaying. Watson allows us to bring in other players.
It unlocks Allen Robinson as an option
It encourages Joe thuney
It motivates CJ Moseley
There are so many ancillary benefits to trading for watson no matter the price
I agree. I would give up more than that, and I think that the final deal will likely involve both firsts this year and a first next year. And I'm fine with that. However, at some point, we are bidding against ourselves.
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Can I buy some mushrooms from you?
Who is going to give us two picks so they can take on a one year, $11mil contract?
Is it? 49ers did something similar for emmanuel sanders
Sanders and a 5th
For
A 3rd and 4th
Maybe we get less but I don't think its off by too much
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Is it? 49ers did something similar for emmanuel sanders
Sanders and a 5th
For
A 3rd and 4th
Maybe we get less but I don't think its off by too much
Alternatively, we pay both since we only need to do it for one season.
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Alternatively, we pay both since we only need to do it for one season.
We'll see.
I think its an unnecessary expense and given the opportunity cost of spending it on another position and getting draft capital I think it makes the most sense. Also opens up a roster spot for Greg Dortch...
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We'll see.
I think its an unnecessary expense and given the opportunity cost of spending it on another position and getting draft capital I think it makes the most sense. Also opens up a roster spot for Greg Dortch...
You think two proven effective WRs are an unnecessary expense?
"Draft capital" is quickly turning into snake oil on this board.
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I dont think we'll have to part with 3 first rounders....just a soxxxx feeling.
I do believe we may have to include someone like Quinnen
After listening to Saleh raving about Q, I seriously doubt he'll leave. I think him and Becton are the only untouchable players we have. All the others are fair game.
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You think two proven effective WRs are an unnecessary expense?
"Draft capital" is quickly turning into snake oil on this board.
Yes. Spending 20% of your cap on wide reciever is an unnecessary expense.
That money could be better spent on other positions. I.e. o line
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Yes. Spending 20% of your cap on wide reciever is an unnecessary expense.
That money could be better spent on other positions. I.e. o line
If we brought in Watson we’d still have $60 million left after cutting guys like Henry Anderson. Let’s say that we give Robinson $20 million this year, I’d guess that’s quite unlikely but if we did we still have $40 million left we could add Thuney for $15 million (which is again higher than the cap hit is expected him to get)1 and then add 3-5 solid role players in FA for the next $20 million.
Giving Watson 2 proven weapons and an unknown but promising Mims is an exciting offense to work with. It’s well worth the money for the one year. And there’s nothing that says we couldn’t draft Toney anyways to play a role this year and be ready to take Crowders spot in a years time.
I also don’t think Crowder won’t be a fit in this offense. He’s not the ideal mold but he damn sure will have a role and I could easily see him as our most productive WR again next year
Also if you sign Robinson/trade crowder you are one Allen Robinson injury away from a worse WR corps than this year.
I want a clusterfuck full of weapons where we have the problem of too many talented players we are trying to spread the ball around too. Not 1 guy and a few young maybes. If we do pull off this theoretical trade for Watson, make it freaking worth it and load up that side of the ball with protection and weapons. I want to see a “real” offense for the first time in my life
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Yes. Spending 20% of your cap on wide reciever is an unnecessary expense.
That money could be better spent on other positions. I.e. o line
No.
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I mean if you could guarantee me ARob/Mims/Toney then maybe but I'm not at all in favor of offloading Crowder.
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While a Watson trade surely has to be unlikely still
A question of mine is Darnold
Obviously Darnold is gone if we trade for Watson. The question becomes, if we're giving the Texans the 2nd overall pick, is there any chance of them not drafting a QB? I can't imagine that being the case
So then do we shop Darnold on our own after making the Watson trade? (thus losing any potential trade leverage)
Or do we ship Darnold to the Texans, with the (I imagine) plausible possibility that Caserio goes around and trades Darnold right to New England while the Texans draft their QB of the future
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If the Texans want the Sam they will take the 2 and trade down. If they don’t want Sam they won’t even take him if he’s on the table.
Most likely we keep Sam and trade him after we acquire Watson.
Assuming of course we can acquire Watson
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While a Watson trade surely has to be unlikely still
A question of mine is Darnold
Obviously Darnold is gone if we trade for Watson. The question becomes, if we're giving the Texans the 2nd overall pick, is there any chance of them not drafting a QB? I can't imagine that being the case
So then do we shop Darnold on our own after making the Watson trade? (thus losing any potential trade leverage)
Or do we ship Darnold to the Texans, with the (I imagine) plausible possibility that Caserio goes around and trades Darnold right to New England while the Texans draft their QB of the future
Darnold isn't going to be a part of any package for Watson. Texans wouldn't want him as their QB. I guess the Texans could trade the #2 overall pick, but that isn't something you go into blindly because you may not have any good offers for it.
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Darnold isn't going to be a part of any package for Watson. Texans wouldn't want him as their QB. I guess the Texans could trade the #2 overall pick, but that isn't something you go into blindly because you may not have any good offers for it.
Is it unfathomable that the Texans could have a backroom deal with the Patriots?.
I don't think it's unimaginable for Cas and BB to have a conversation and be like hey if we get Darnold woidk you want him?
After all this is a league built on nepotism, and any GMs job is to get maximum value for their franchise.
And hell if Joe Douglas was willing to consider keeping Darnold and trading out the second pick, why is it unreasonable to assume other GMs would as well?
And I completely realize that this is all quite unlikely to begin with.
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1353058227622010881?s=21
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Who TF is Carl?
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The “report” that DeShaun Watson wants to go to the 2 teams best positioned to give the most up for him is some incredible leveraging by the Texans.
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Who TF is Carl?
https://twitter.com/bs_newyork/status/1338124440354353152?s=21
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I’m not watching that.
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The “report” that DeShaun Watson wants to go to the 2 teams best positioned to give the most up for him is some incredible leveraging by the Texans.
Smart thinking.
This is the angle that makes the most sense and salguero is the type of guy to publish the story
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I’m not watching that.
K
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Smart thinking.
This is the angle that makes the most sense and salguero is the type of guy to publish the story
Cuban Manish Mehta
How would he know what Deshaun Watson wants?
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Latest report is Watson wants to go "home" to the Panthers
If i wasn't convinced this was all the Texans drumming up value, I am now
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Trade crowder for a 3rd + 5th
Why would we trade away the only WR who performed consistently?
If you think this team will invest $35mm at wr you're crazy.
Crowder is getting paid $10milliom a year, doesn't fit the Shanahan offense
Paying both robinson and crowder isn't really an option.
This is the stuff why I visit the board. It seems that dcm has gotten some competition both in the hot take department as well as worrying about where the Johnsons' money is being ei invested.
Also, freak you for even suggesting that GvR would be in a starting role next year.
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This isnt baseball. There's a salary cap.
Teams don't win by paying wide receievers
This is the stuff why I visit the board. It seems that dcm has gotten some competition both in the hot take department as well as worrying about where the Johnsons' money is being ei invested.
Also, freak you for even suggesting that GvR would be in a starting role next year.
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Latest report is Watson wants to go "home" to the Panthers
If i wasn't convinced this was all the Texans drumming up value, I am now
That isn’t the latest report
It’s from yesterday and it’s from Jason McIntyre (a freaking idiot)
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Also he’s from Georgia, not North Carolina
So the Falcons are home
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That isn’t the latest report
It’s from yesterday and it’s from Jason McIntyre (a freaking idiot)
I operate a day behind
In the latest news I heard they think it's increasingly likely that Trump is going to lose the election
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Also he’s from Georgia, not North Carolina
So the Falcons are home
I don't disagree, but Carolina is Clemson's location and supposedly their owner would move heaven and Earth for Watson. But unless he vetos any other spot, I can't see them putting together a package even remotely better than what several other teams could offer Houston
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Don't worry . I had never seen the clip and I absolutely love it
Lol
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I don't disagree, but Carolina is Clemson's location
Clemson is not in North Carolina.
Clemson is also closer to Atlanta than it is to Charlotte.
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Clemson is not in North Carolina.
Clemson is also closer to Atlanta than it is to Charlotte.
It is in the Carolina's. The Panthers are the closest geographically to Clemson, and as such the fanbases undoubtedly overlap
Edit: Did not realize that is the case.
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It is in the Carolina's.
TIL
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Matt Miller tweeting he's spoken with "sources in Watson camp" jets are not top choice blah blah blah
Isn't Miller trying to gain traction for a new network or some excrement of his ?
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Matt Miller tweeting he's spoken with "sources in Watson camp" jets are not top choice blah blah blah
He got fired from Bleacher Report and is desperately trying to hang on.
No one talks to that scrub.
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He got fired from Bleacher Report and is desperately trying to hang on.
No one talks to that scrub.
That's what I thought
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Texans doing everything in their power to hire a black coach
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Texans doing everything in their power to hire a black coach
Didn't they just interview Josh McCown yesterday or the day before?
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Didn't they just interview Josh McCown yesterday or the day before?
your point?
He can dunk.
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Didn't they just interview Josh McCown yesterday or the day before?
Black where it counts
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Black where it counts
Eric Decker?
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1353397824654868481?s=19
Come to papa
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1353397824654868481?s=19
Come to papa
I refuse to get my hopes up.
*Gets hopes up
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On one hand, all the signs/rumors suggest Jets are at the top of the list of reasonable spots. However, a lot has to go right for it to actually happen.
-He has to ask for a trade (I think that will happen)
-Texans have to OK a trade (who knows)
-Watson has to have Jets as an acceptable location (seems likely)
-Jets have to outbid other teams Watson accepts going to (biggest hurdle)
-Texans have to accept Jets deal, even if it is the best (if they got this far, it's likely)
Any of those things doesn't happen, it's not happening.
Honestly, as long as we keep our draft picks or get Watson, I'm good. F Stafford.
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On one hand, all the signs/rumors suggest Jets are at the top of the list of reasonable spots. However, a lot has to go right for it to actually happen.
-He has to ask for a trade (I think that will happen)
-Texans have to OK a trade (who knows)
-Watson has to have Jets as an acceptable location (seems likely)
-Jets have to outbid other teams Watson accepts going to (biggest hurdle)
-Texans have to accept Jets deal, even if it is the best (if they got this far, it's likely)
Any of those things doesn't happen, it's not happening.
Honestly, as long as we keep our draft picks or get Watson, I'm good. F Stafford.
You forget....it's all gas, no brake SZN.
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All prrrrrt, more prrrrrt
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Tony Pauline said he hears the Jets are the frontrunners for Deshaun Watson
THE KISS OF DEATH
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Tony Pauline said he hears the Jets are the frontrunners for Deshaun Watson
THE KISS OF DEATH
Broken clocks can be right, too.
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Broken clocks can be right, too.
Not broken clocks with extra chromosomes
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Not broken clocks with extra chromosomes
Depends how many chromies
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Not broken clocks with extra chromosomes
He was the first one that reported on Duff being on the outs
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Tony Pauline said he hears the Jets are the frontrunners for Deshaun Watson
THE KISS OF DEATH
Yeah but Matt Miller said it wasn't happening so...
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https://youtu.be/9yDL0AKUCKo?t=91
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https://twitter.com/vernonmturner/status/1353858936139624448?s=21
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https://twitter.com/vernonmturner/status/1353858936139624448?s=21
Who dat?
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(https://i.redd.it/lcm1ia2obld61.png)
If JaRule said it, it must be true
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Has Ja Morant weighed in? Because then it's a done deal.
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Has Ja Morant weighed in? Because then it's a done deal.
Not until JA Happ signs off.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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2m
Soon-to-be #Texans coach David Culley has received praise for his leadership and the way he connects with players. Now, the #Ravens assistant head coach will attempt to do so in Houston.
Wonder Deshaun Watson thinks
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Wonder Deshaun Watson thinks
He seems like the ideal Texans hire. Black enough for Watson, not so black that he offends McNair and Joel Osteen.
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Wonder Deshaun Watson thinks
He'll hate it
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Nothing like hiring the passing coordinator of the team dead last in the NFL in passing yards.
Have to imagine there's a decent shot this move was purely to appease Deshaun, but I don't know excrement about the dude so what do I know
I'm sure there will be plenty of people assuming the Texans hired some random black dude just to make Watson happy. But with the Chiefs and Buccaneers both having black coordinators lead top offensive/defensive units to the SB presumably both being available and interested in interviewing for HC jobs this week.
Makes me wonder why they went with this guy over either of them
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He seems like the ideal Texans hire. Black enough for Watson, not so black that he offends McNair and Joel Osteen.
Lol perfect summary
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https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1354646819981156353?s=19
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I'd take two 3rds for a bum WR coach
"All Gas, No brakes!" - Greg Salah
"Cash , Grass , or derriere" - 1960s bartering
"All Salad , No Bar!" - understaffed Sizzler Manager
"I live life a quarter mile at a time"- Vin "All Gas No brake" Diesel
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Didn’t Watson want Beans or Leslie Frazier?
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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2m
Deshaun Watson officially has requested a trade from the Houston Texans, per league sources. He actually did it weeks ago. Their new head-coaching hire, David Culley, has not and will not alter Watson’s thinking.
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we need to back up the pick truck
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Gib
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He'll hate it
my pre-cognitive powers are on point
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I'd give em a #2 overall , 3rd rd this year , 1st rd and 2nd in 2022, and 1st in 2023
If JD can't make it work with 23 overall and a regular assortment of picks sans 1st in 23
Then he doesn't belong here .
Tnats my max deal though. If they wanted more I'd just draft Wilson at 2 or trade down from 2
"All Gas, No brakes!" - Greg Salah
"Cash , Grass , or derriere" - 1960s bartering
"All Salad , No Bar!" - understaffed Sizzler Manager
"I live life a quarter mile at a time"- Vin "All Gas No brake" Diesel
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I'd give em a #2 overall , 3rd rd this year , 1st rd and 2nd in 2022, and 1st in 2023
If JD can't make it work with 23 overall and a regular assortment of picks sans 1st in 23
Then he doesn't belong here .
Tnats my max deal though. If they wanted more I'd just draft Wilson at 2 or trade down from 2
"All Gas, No brakes!" - Greg Salah
"Cash , Grass , or derriere" - 1960s bartering
"All Salad , No Bar!" - understaffed Sizzler Manager
"I live life a quarter mile at a time"- Vin "All Gas No brake" Diesel
If JD can bring Watson here regardless of price, JD belongs here....period.
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I'd give em a #2 overall , 3rd rd this year , 1st rd and 2nd in 2022, and 1st in 2023
If JD can't make it work with 23 overall and a regular assortment of picks sans 1st in 23
Then he doesn't belong here .
Tnats my max deal though. If they wanted more I'd just draft Wilson at 2 or trade down from 2
"All Gas, No brakes!" - Greg Salah
"Cash , Grass , or derriere" - 1960s bartering
"All Salad , No Bar!" - understaffed Sizzler Manager
"I live life a quarter mile at a time"- Vin "All Gas No brake" Diesel
I don't think I'd give that much. At some point, we'd be bidding against ourselves, and I think that offer would be doing just that.
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I'd give em a #2 overall , 3rd rd this year , 1st rd and 2nd in 2022, and 1st in 2023
If JD can't make it work with 23 overall and a regular assortment of picks sans 1st in 23
Then he doesn't belong here .
Tnats my max deal though. If they wanted more I'd just draft Wilson at 2 or trade down from 2
"All Gas, No brakes!" - Greg Salah
"Cash , Grass , or derriere" - 1960s bartering
"All Salad , No Bar!" - understaffed Sizzler Manager
"I live life a quarter mile at a time"- Vin "All Gas No brake" Diesel
No freaking way am I going near a trade like that.
Hell I can't see the trade value going that high unless Miami goes into a full fledged bidding war with us.
And does Miami want to send the message to Tua that they think he freaking sucks, if there's at least a 50/50 shot they are unable to execute the trade and will be stuck with a disgruntled year 2 QB.
I think if Watson gets traded to us, there's no way we give up more than 2 1sts for him.
And honestly I'd prefer both 1st to be this year, since who knows how early we could be drafting in a year or two
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My guy got rid of the Tapatalk signature and created something significantly worse
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I don't care about giving up future firsts for Deshaun Watson. If we get him, those picks should be in the late 20s...hopefully 30s.
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Houston has to pounce now, because if they keep him until after the draft, he loses significant value and they are stuck without a quarterback.
They need a top pick right now if they move Deshaun Watson. They'll have to hit the reset button.
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all this talk has made me want to fire up madden again.
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Houston has to pounce now, because if they keep him until after the draft, he loses significant value and they are stuck without a quarterback.
They need a top pick right now if they move Deshaun Watson. They'll have to hit the reset button.
Hard to believe this team went from perennial playoff contender to horseshit in 2 seasons. McNair might be worse than Snyder.
And i don't care what anyone says....Culley is a garbage hire.
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And i don't care what anyone says....Culley is a garbage hire.
Does anyone think otherwise?
This is one of the most undeserving head coach promotions that I can remember. No one wanted that job. Those guys knew Watson wanted out.
That team is a disaster and I actually feel really bad for their fanbase. For all the excrement that the Johnsons get, we've never had to deal with anything like this.
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Get this excrement outta this thread. JACKASS. ILL KILL YOU. Cheese dust, drink straw....
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Does anyone think otherwise?
This is one of the most undeserving head coach promotions that I can remember. No one wanted that job. Those guys knew Watson wanted out.
That team is a disaster and I actually feel really bad for their fanbase. For all the excrement that the Johnsons get, we've never had to deal with anything like this.
I don't feel bad for any other fan base. The Jets have put us through enough that nobody else deserves sympathy from us.
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Now the Texans will be stuck with this shitcoach and lose Watson anyway. Almost the worst possible scenario. That team is toxic. No one will want to sign there unless they massively overpay with.....oh yeah, they are over the cap. Lolsies.
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I wonder what they told Culley about the QB situation.
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Now the Texans will be stuck with this shitcoach and lose Watson anyway. Almost the worst possible scenario. That team is toxic. No one will want to sign there unless they massively overpay with.....oh yeah, they are over the cap. Lolsies.
Honestly I think the job actually becomes more desirable once Watson IS gone.
Next year they will fire Cully because they will in fact be awful and the job will be much more desireBle next year because they actually have some assets to begin a build. But it won’t be a top job because this organization is a damned mess.
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I wonder what they told Culley about the QB situation.
Probably told him to bring rg3 with him
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My guy got rid of the Tapatalk signature and created something significantly worse
Lol OK I'll retire it
It is quite a bit for each post . Especially combined with my ranting format lol
"All Gas, No brakes!" - Greg Salah
"Cash , Grass , or derriere" - 1960s bartering
"All Salad , No Bar!" - understaffed Sizzler Manager
"I live life a quarter mile at a time"- Vin "All Gas No brake" Diesel
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Done
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Done
Thank you, sir
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Back to what matters
Ive made it clear I don't value the capital as much as a proven top 5 QB
I'd do the offer I suggested 11 times out of 10
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I'm sorry we all love the draft and evaluating
Half the people we like bust out
So im not worried about the fact we can get a guaranteed franchise QB for slightly more than we paid to draft Darnold
I'm open to trading down from 2 to run it back with him
I'm open to Wilson at 2
But now that this is real , I'd sell the farm. Then watch people like Allen Robinson sprint here
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I wonder what they told Culley about the QB situation.
I don't think Culley cared - he's 65 years old and was never getting another HC opportunity in his life. They could have told him anything, and he wouldn't have cared.
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I'm sorry we all love the draft and evaluating
Half the people we like bust out
So im not worried about the fact we can get a guaranteed franchise QB for slightly more than we paid to draft Darnold
I'm open to trading down from 2 to run it back with him
I'm open to Wilson at 2
But now that this is real , I'd sell the farm. Then watch people like Allen Robinson sprint here
I'm fine selling the farm, but again, at some point we are bidding against ourselves. We have the #2 pick. Nobody else can offer the Texans their choice of quarterbacks outside Lawrence. Nobody else can offer two 1st-round picks this year if that's what they want.
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I dont see anyone else beating what we offer unless players get involved
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I'm fine selling the farm, but again, at some point we are bidding against ourselves. We have the #2 pick. Nobody else can offer the Texans their choice of quarterbacks outside Lawrence. Nobody else can offer two 1st-round picks this year if that's what they want.
My offer keeps overall assets balanced and in tact and I did specify it was my nuclear option if things get heated
We're so devoid of talent we are forgetting a 1st a 3rd and two good players migjt beat us
Obviously you don't lead with my offer lol
That would be dumb
I'm just saying that's the value I put on him without blinking
Doesn't mean it's my first offer lol
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Got 2 threads going for same thing. I'm not a thread nazi but...
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Got 2 threads going for same thing. I'm not a thread nazi but...
this thread should be kept around for other Texans news in the future.
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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6m
The #Texans and David Culley have agreed to terms on a five-year contract, source said. Houston has its new head coach.
yeeks
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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6m
The #Texans and David Culley have agreed to terms on a five-year contract, source said. Houston has its new head coach.
yeeks
There is no way he sees the end of that deal. If he's still the coach after the 2022 season I will be very very surprised
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There is no way he sees the end of that deal. If he's still the coach after the 2022 season I will be very very surprised
Locking in a 2-season tank.
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https://twitter.com/HoustonTexans/status/1355157158564950016
Quite literally all the comments are either pissed off fans or other fans laughing. At least when we hired Gase there were some fans that were blinded into being supportive.
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Is Easterby their Idzik?
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Is Easterby their Idzik?
Idzik couldn't consolidate enough power to last more than 2 years so no.
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Is Easterby their Idzik?
worse
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i'm watching the Caserio/Culley intro presser.....Caserio thinks they're going to retain Watson lol
poor bastard.
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Watson hasn't even responded or reached out to this idiot.
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i'm watching the Caserio/Culley intro presser.....Caserio thinks they're going to retain Watson lol
poor bastard.
They might, who knows.
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They might, who knows.
I've been listening to Culley ramble on about nothing for the last 15 mins.
This might be a worse hire than Gase.
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I've been listening to Culley ramble on about nothing for the last 15 mins.
This might be a worse hire than Gase.
Gase was still a worse hire, because we were supposed to be starting an upward trajectory when we hired him. Culley has been hired to preside over a period of being deliberately bad.
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Gents....After watching this presser, all i can say is "Thank god we have JD and Saleh".
This Culley doofus is a corporate shill and he sounds like car salesman with a southern accent. RIP Houston
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Gents....After watching this presser, all i can say is "Thank god we have JD and Saleh".
This Culley doofus is a corporate shill and he sounds like car salesman with a southern accent. RIP Houston
People in the south need cars too.
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Adam Schefter
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Texans President Jamey Rootes is resigning from his position, effective today, per sources.
ruh roh
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ProFootballTalk
@ProFootballTalk
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Jamey Rootes wanted to resign from the Texans after the G.M. search resulted in the work of the search committee (on which he served) being ignored. He was persuaded to wait in order to keep the perception of organizational dysfunction from becoming even more pronounced.
If Watson isn't traded this year or next year, i'll eat my hat. That franchise is a complete dumpster fire.
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Whatever are they doing?
https://twitter.com/riversmccown/status/1359940249607155725
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Whatever are they doing?
https://twitter.com/riversmccown/status/1359940249607155725
Getting to heaven
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Texans new uniforms (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/kUdAqmOoZw2qHUvcoprXhYlIy52Mjy1YPpwcFTRiDIguyn6vE3rpbo5F2w0EnxvEUwQeLN7i1SGCMj2gPuhN8FQnRHQuKILNXtE)
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Texans new uniforms (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/kUdAqmOoZw2qHUvcoprXhYlIy52Mjy1YPpwcFTRiDIguyn6vE3rpbo5F2w0EnxvEUwQeLN7i1SGCMj2gPuhN8FQnRHQuKILNXtE)
Holy freak I’m watching the HBO documentary right now.
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https://twitter.com/jfowlerespn/status/1373013756360454147?s=21
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Bet they wish they traded Watson when he first demanded a trade.
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Bet they wish they traded Watson when he first demanded a trade.
I think the stories came out before the trade could have been officially completed, so any trade partner would have pulled the plug. Would have probably fucked up someone's free agency though.
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I think the stories came out before the trade could have been officially completed, so any trade partner would have pulled the plug. Would have probably fucked up someone's free agency though.
Even if the accusations didn’t happen before the trade could be finished, teams probably would have found out about them doing their own research.
Imagine not doing that research.
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https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/1425823031411236866?s=20
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https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/edge/football/nfl/player/8073/deshaun-watson
Sports Illustrated's Jenny Ventras reports NFL investigators looking into sexual misconduct allegations against Deshaun Watson were hostile in questioning two of Watson's accusers.
Lisa Friel and Jennifer Gaffney, who run the league's personal conduct investigations, asked the accusers what they were wearing at the time of the alleged sexual assaults and were "trying to trip up" the women during questioning, Ventras reported. Houston police, the women said, were "very respectful and trauma-informed" in their questioning of Watson's alleged victims, in stark contrast to the NFL's hostility. Meanwhile, NFL Commission Roger Goodell surprisingly did not place Watson on the Commissioner's Exempt List, which removes players from the field while letting them to collect their salary during investigations. Ventras reported two of Watson's accusers were frustrated by the league's media arm ignoring their allegations in reporting on Watson during training camp. The league has reportedly interviewed ten women accusing Watson of sexual assault while Rusty Hardin, Watson’s attorney, has said all 22 of Watson's accusers are lying about their detailed allegations of sexual misconduct.
FFS, can't these morons in the league office do ANYTHING right.
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https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/edge/football/nfl/player/8073/deshaun-watson
FFS, can't these morons in the league office do ANYTHING right.
I wonder if they asked if their Moms were prostitutes.
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https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/edge/football/nfl/player/8073/deshaun-watson
FFS, can't these morons in the league office do ANYTHING right.
I really don't think that the NFL should be having its own investigators interrogate victims while there's a police investigation and a range of lawsuits happening. Seems to me like there are all sorts of things that could get very unpleasant and possibly prejudicial.
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I really don't think that the NFL should be having its own investigators interrogate victims while there's a police investigation and a range of lawsuits happening. Seems to me like there are all sorts of things that could get very unpleasant and possibly prejudicial.
Do you think the league should be suspending him without any sort of investigation? Or should Watson be eligible to start week 1?
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Do you think the league should be suspending him without any sort of investigation? Or should Watson be eligible to start week 1?
I think that that's an interesting question and that there are probably difficulties with any answer. I do think though that the criminal and/or civil justice processes should in no way be affected by Roger's all encompassing need to Protect The ShieldTM.
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I really don't think that the NFL should be having its own investigators interrogate victims while there's a police investigation and a range of lawsuits happening. Seems to me like there are all sorts of things that could get very unpleasant and possibly prejudicial.
Read an interesting article about this
Essentially the nfl isn't capable of doing anything right now because they could freak up any legal proceedings, so they won't even investigate Watson.
The unique factor about Watson (vs say Antonio Brown a few years ago) is Watson has not been indicted by a grand jury, but there's a criminal investigation ongoing so he could be. And because of that the expectation is that the NFL won't (and hasn't) suspend him at this time.
So it's completely possible that Watson plays out the entirety of this season not missing a single game. However if Watson is indicted, he could immediately be placed on the commissioners exempt list and be shut down for the year.
So theoretically the Texans could go out clinch the playoffs and then lose Watson to suspension at anytime (presumably for the rest of the season and then some) depending on legal proceedings.
He could also end up playing out the entire season as well. The Texans appear to be one of the worst teams in the league so its likely this is all doesnt, but this could have huge playoff consequences if say there's no movement on any of this until the middle of the playoffs (and the Texans are somehow in them)
(of course I completely forgot the Texans got Tyrod Taylor and that he's going to be their starter, but I imagine there's close to a 0% chance he doesn't get injured like he always does)
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Can someone explain to me how its possible that Deshaun can be under contract to a team, they haven't barred him from their facility in any way while he keeps up his "I'm not going to play for you" posture, he's on the roster, he's under contract and it seems as though he has all the leverage?
How are the Texans not able to suspend him and toll his contract the second they name him a starter and he goes "lol no."
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Can someone explain to me how its possible that Deshaun can be under contract to a team, they haven't barred him from their facility in any way while he keeps up his "I'm not going to play for you" posture, he's on the roster, he's under contract and it seems as though he has all the leverage?
How are the Texans not able to suspend him and toll his contract the second they name him a starter and he goes "lol no."
That would be cancel culture.
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That would be cancel culture.
It's incredibly bizarre. I understand why the league can't suspend him yet, but not the team. His conduct outside of any legal issues he may have warrants it.
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It's incredibly bizarre. I understand why the league can't suspend him yet, but not the team. His conduct outside of any legal issues he may have warrants it.
I'm just busting your balls.
I think they are just trying to keep as many options open as possible by not rocking the boat. Forcing choices at this point closes doors.
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Can someone explain to me how its possible that Deshaun can be under contract to a team, they haven't barred him from their facility in any way while he keeps up his "I'm not going to play for you" posture, he's on the roster, he's under contract and it seems as though he has all the leverage?
How are the Texans not able to suspend him and toll his contract the second they name him a starter and he goes "lol no."
The best I can come up with is that there doesn't appear to be any kind of status defined in the CBA that would allow them to hold him out of work, he''s not PUP/NFI. I think that the NFLPA would make the argument that they're able to cut him or trade him any time they want, so if he's not on the Commissioner's Naughty Step and he's not injured, the team has to either put him on the roster or let him walk. Suspending him for not wanting to be at the club any longer, especially with his contract paused, would be unreasonable. He's willing to keep coming to work, he just wants them to let him go somewhere else.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1434935581340053513?s=19
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https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1439768215035564038?s=19
This thread should be busy this year.
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https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1439768215035564038?s=19
This thread should be busy this year.
https://twitter.com/riversmccown/status/1439746114077577219 (https://twitter.com/riversmccown/status/1439746114077577219)
Oh wow, Culley is almost as twitchy and awkward as our old coach.
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https://twitter.com/riversmccown/status/1439746114077577219 (https://twitter.com/riversmccown/status/1439746114077577219)
Oh wow, Culley is almost as twitchy and awkward as our old coach.
If it was like 3rd and 20 and they went to 4th and 2 I could buy it
But who the freak picks 4th and 2 over 3rd and 10
Unless you have like a rookie QB and severe issues in the passing game (ie us today)
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If it was like 3rd and 20 and they went to 4th and 2 I could buy it
Could you?
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1440338920441409551?s=19
They tankin
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1440338920441409551?s=19
They tankin
he is arguably the softest nba player of all time
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Apparently the conversation is at least being brought up about the possibility of Watson playing.
I'm sure the conversation is 100% a product of reporters asking is Watson going to play. But the Texans have waffled on answering it
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https://twitter.com/surrender_index/status/1441223556340150279?s=19
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Culley is the GOP of coaches.
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Culley is the GOP of coaches.
YOU PUNT TO WIN THE GAME! HELLO?!
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Culley is the GOP of coaches.
He's going to demand a re-measuring of the spot of the ball for the next few years?
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He's going to demand a re-measuring of the spot of the ball for the next few years?
1st and goal? Squib kick to improve field position further. Points don't help you win.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E__VJK2UcA4bE_m?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Move over Mike Glennon.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E__s3C2VkAAfgZ1?format=jpg&name=medium)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZnuoU_XsAISRef?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Who wore it best?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E__s3C2VkAAfgZ1?format=jpg&name=medium)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZnuoU_XsAISRef?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Who wore it best?
Coincidence?
(http://www.trophypartner.com/images/product/large/5151.jpg)
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/8557592002
I'm definitely out of touch
But reading an article about the Texans owner using an anti Asian slur, I expected more than to hear that he called covid the China Virus
Is this as deeply horrible and offensive as people make it out to be?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/8557592002
I'm definitely out of touch
But reading an article about the Texans owner using an anti Asian slur, I expected more than to hear that he called covid the China Virus
Is this as deeply horrible and offensive as people make it out to be?
I dont think it is that racist, but it is the type of thing only racists say.
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I dont think it is that racist, but it is the type of thing only racists say.
I don't think thats an unreasonable statement. (I mean if you want to get technical I think you can argue racism is on a spectrum and everyone is racist to a degree)
But it still seems incredibly disingenuous and unfair taking a statement and making it into something it's very much not.
Especially with today's culture of if anyone says anything even remotely politically incorrect you need to immediately freaking murder them
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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1481755016134377473?t=c02u4VbjMWnvLh-CX190Gg&s=19
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1481758844959272960?t=PvvtpCO2Cg8xqlt2IPr-dg&s=19
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Everyone knew it was a one year sham hire because that job was toxic, but Culley got his money, and he didn't hurt his own stock at all for a future job while he got to live out a dream.
Just a weird situation all around. Kind of a raw deal for Culley, but he probably knew what he was getting into, which is why he got his money. And Culley also made some unforgivably bad in-game decisions.
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Everyone knew it was a one year sham hire because that job was toxic, but Culley got his money, and he didn't hurt his own stock at all for a future job while he got to live out a dream.
Just a weird situation all around. Kind of a raw deal for Culley, but he probably knew what he was getting into, which is why he got his money. And Culley also made some unforgivably bad in-game decisions.
Declining the penalty and punting on 4th-and-2 was worse than Judge's 3rd down QB sneak IMO.
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https://twitter.com/HoustonTexans/status/1484315910164795393
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Texans head coach Lovie Smith said, "there’s a possibility of us getting a great quarterback" with the third overall pick.
Smith also called Davis Mills good but mentioned that the league only has a few special quarterbacks. He added that the third overall pick could be used to acquire more selections. Many believe taking Pittsburgh QB Kenny Pickett with the third pick would be a reach so the only way he winds up in Houston is if their opinion of him is far ahead of the consensus. Otherwise, it makes sense for them to trade back and roll with Mills for another year. With Deshaun Watson's legal status still in the air, there's also another big domino that needs to fall before they can solidify any plans for their offseason.
DO IT LOVIE
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DO IT LOVIE
No way that happens.
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No way that happens.
I was going to post this.....but then I remembered anything is possible with Lovie
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No way that happens.
There is definitely a non-zero chance that a QB blows up the combine and goes top 3. Hype is a powerful drug.
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Lance Zierlein
@LanceZierlein
"The Watson trade, the Tunsil trade and probably a Brandin Cooks trade kind of looks inevitable right now."
- Mike Ginnitti (
@spotrac
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How is Cooks not 39 years old? He's been in the league for 18 years now and traded 6 times, right?
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How is Cooks not 39 years old? He's been in the league for 18 years now and traded 6 times, right?
I'd make a quip about how he could've just been a Jet this whole time if Idzik knew what he was doing, but lets be real here that'd require a Jets first round choice to still be on the team once he hits 30.
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I'll always remember Iggy suggesting that if Cooks was worth trading up for someone would have done it already moments before the Saints traded up for him.
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The Texans have the #3 pick in the draft and Davis Mills probably isn't that good. The Texans would probably love to get that franchise QB if there is one available.
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Jack Easterby fired.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1581994650906214400?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1581994650906214400?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
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Jack Easterby fired.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1581994650906214400?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1581994650906214400?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
they may have to root him out of his office compound David Koresh style.
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they may have to root him out of his office compound David Koresh style.
That’s Waco
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That’s Waco
the location isn't as much the point as is the fact Easterby is a god-pumping cultist.
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the location isn't as much the point as is the fact Easterby is a god-pumping cultist.
Jesus did that go over your head.
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https://twitter.com/PintOfJack/status/1585312366769868802?t=1UwKcgjzhncGN41wfQpDRA&s=19
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Texans forfeit 5th round pick for salary cap violation
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1703435866452926655?t=jxLUXUcFhQDRiGsove2B7w&s=19
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1703435866452926655?t=jxLUXUcFhQDRiGsove2B7w&s=19
That excrement was us a year ago. What sucks for them is they traded a pick this year to pair up Will Anderson and CJ stroud. Meaning when they inevitably suck this year, which they would have, injuries be damned, they are giving up a high pick in a QB rich draft
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https://reddit.com/r/nyjets/s/mVZ8gzF2nM (https://reddit.com/r/nyjets/s/mVZ8gzF2nM)
Look who finally learned how to stay on the field.
I'm happy for him, seriously.
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Somewhere, Maccagnan is sipping a Starbucks and smiling.
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Somewhere, Maccagnan is sipping a Starbucks and smiling.
At a desk with another 30 not quite empty cups piled on top of it.
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https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1721545483036897699?s=20
Bobby Slowik may get some HC interviews in the offseason.
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Dianna Russini
@DMRussini
Trade! The Texans are on the board for a running back. Houston is trading with the Bengals for RB Joe Mixon, per sources.
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Dianna Russini
@DMRussini
Trade! The Texans are on the board for a running back. Houston is trading with the Bengals for RB Joe Mixon, per sources.
I thought he was cut?
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Dianna Russini
@DMRussini
TRADE!
The Minnesota Vikings are moving up in the draft. They will trade with the Houstons Texans. Minnesota will get the 23rd and 232nd pick….Houston will get the 42nd, 188th and 2nd in 2025
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Seems a bit weird to do that at this stage when you have no idea who will be on the board at 23.
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Seems a bit weird to do that at this stage when you have no idea who will be on the board at 23.
I agree. I saw some suggestions that they may be positioning to move up further for a QB.
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I agree. I saw some suggestions that they may be positioning to move up further for a QB.
Has to be that.
They now have picks 11 and 23. That gives them the ammo to move up for Drake Maye/Jayden Daniels.
Otherwise they are sitting back at 11 and reaching for JJ McCarthy.