Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Badger on June 07, 2019, 07:20:32 PM
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https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1137151334942203904?s=09
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Boom.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jetstank/status/1137151406274686983
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Move over, head coaches who look like thumbs. We got one for a GM.
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6 year deal
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6 year deal
Longer deal than what Gase has. Should give him security for if/when Woody returns.
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I realize at this moment that I have no frame of reference for GM deals. But doesn't six years seem on the long side?
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1137154235575996417
Based on the reports, it sounds like we were desperate to get Douglas, so he had all the leverage. That's probably why the leaks about how much we liked Fitterer came out.
Quite frankly, I'm okay with that, as long as Douglas is competent. It's not my money.
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https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1137151334942203904?s=09
First reported by Justin Gray
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I hope his amount of draft prowess is more than his amount of neck.
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The Enforcer.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190608/c11da4785097d271ad00c9e592004450.jpg)
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Jets started at 4 years, $1.9 million per on Joe Douglas.
Ended up giving 6-years, $3.3 million per year.
Jason McIntyre
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So as it turns out, Tony Pauline and Jason McIntyre are the most reliable Jets sources out there....
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First move as GM should be crushing the skull of Oberyn Martell(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190608/4e002084c874d1b77a2c6bbdddfb8062.jpg)
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#TheDougSZN
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the fvck is up with meaning of schefter's tweet. why was douglas saying 'no' to us every single time
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the fvck is up with meaning of schefter's tweet. why was douglas saying 'no' to us every single time
I'd like to think it's because he's an expert negotiator who knew his leverage and held out for the best possible deal.
Or he's just a freaking cocktease.
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I'd like to think it's because he's an expert negotiator who knew his leverage and held out for the best possible deal.
Or he's just a freaking cocktease.
i think it's the first point you mentioned as well, but the way he wrote it was weird, left it up to interpretation that the jets job was one that he just did not really want
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I'd like to think it's because he's an expert negotiator who knew his leverage and held out for the best possible deal.
Or he's just a freaking cocktease.
Also that cockhead Jimmy Sexton owns our coach, QB, and GM
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i think it's the first point you mentioned as well, but the way he wrote it was weird, left it up to interpretation that the jets job was one that he just did not really want
Schefter very much makes it sound like we raped Joe Douglas.
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My guess is Douglas knows he's a quality candidate who can get a lot of different jobs. The Jets on paper aren't a good job with bad ownership, a bad track record, and a mediocre roster. But we made him an offer he couldn't refuse, and we do have Darnold.
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My guess is Douglas knows he's a quality candidate who can get a lot of different jobs. The Jets on paper aren't a good job with bad ownership, a bad track record, and a mediocre roster. But we made him an offer he couldn't refuse, and we do have Darnold.
there are only 32 GM jobs, with only one opening prior to today. i rock back and forth on the pessimism train and can totally see why others view the jets as ugly, but i think the reason it took as long as it did to secure douglas was due to us undergoing the search process very slowly for some reason, and Douglas knowing he had all of the leverage in the situation to get as much financial + job security as he could.
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First reported by Justin Gray
lmao
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there are only 32 GM jobs, with only one opening prior to today. i rock back and forth on the pessimism train and can totally see why others view the jets as ugly, but i think the reason it took as long as it did to secure douglas was due to us undergoing the search process very slowly for some reason, and Douglas knowing he had all of the leverage in the situation to get as much financial + job security as he could.
There are too many examples of quality candidates turning down interviews with the Jets and other teams where I don't really buy the "there are only 32 GM jobs" argument. That works for some guys. Joe Douglas had options.
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Really glad we locked him up before Houston could come after him
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The Jets are a meme. The only teams that could compete in general mockingness were the Raiders and the Browns, and no one cares as much about hating those teams as dumb fat hillbillies care about clowning on NY.
Reputations take a long time to change. Bell originally didn't want to come here and he's basically a miserable Jets fan at heart.
doesn't surprise me at all that a fat slob who isn't a redneck only because he doesn't actually have a neck was also originally disinclined to acquiesce to the jets' request
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Dave Portnoy tweeted Todd McShay would become our "VP of Personal."
I assume he meant personnel, but either way, if Jason McIntyre and Dave Portnoy break scoops on the same day, I will need a break from the internet...
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sounds like once we heard about houston, we said take whatever you want, which is alright.
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until he signs, i'll expect him to backout and goto houston
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until he signs, i'll expect him to backout and goto houston
I'd be surprised if this didnt happen.
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Enough with the negativity. We have a legitimate GM for the first time in years.
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Dave Portnoy tweeted Todd McShay would become our "VP of Personal."
I assume he meant personnel, but either way, if Jason McIntyre and Dave Portnoy break scoops on the same day, I will need a break from the internet...
Douglas was McShay’s roommate at University of Richmond
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Names that could be joining Joe Douglas in NY include former Browns GM Phil Savage and Ravens exec Chad Alexander
La Canfora
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Enough with the negativity. We have a legitimate GM for the first time in years.
This.
#GetHype
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Enough with the negativity. We have a legitimate GM for the first time in years.
Arguably the most qualified candidate the Jets have hired for GM in my life, not counting Parcells.
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Well considering that Gase is essentially guaranteed to be our HC for the next 3 years I'm far more concerned about what he can do than Douglas, at least for the near future. Especially since it's obvious Gase seems to have the most power in this organization for now
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First reported by Justin Gray
Karl Abramson > Justin Gray
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I certainly hope it works out between him and Gase, but I said last week that Douglas should be holding out for the security of being able to hire his own coach if it doesn't work with Gase. It was probably the Houston job opening up that got him over the top, but good for him being patient and waiting out the process.
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Everything I read and see says he's the perfect choice. People said that about Macc, too.
Hope so, we'll see.
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Everything I read and see says he's the perfect choice. People said that about Macc, too.
Hope so, we'll see.
Macc was a better alternative to Idzik.
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Maccagnan came in as a good candidate because he had a strong scouting background and Casserley talked him up. Douglas is coming in with a real front office history.
The Eagles had never won a Super Bowl before Douglas joined them in 2016 as GM Howie Roseman's top assistant. Douglas played a key part in building the roster in Philadelphia, and helped turn a team that won seven games in 2015 and 2016 into a Super Bowl champion in 2017.
In 2000, Douglas joined the Ravens, where he worked his way up from a low-level scouting assistant position to being the team's national scout. He worked under GM Ozzie Newsome and saw how one of the most respected personnel departments in the league got the job done -- the Ravens won two Super Bowls during Douglas' time there.
He was the Bears director of college scouting in 2015, before joining the Eagles in 2016 and helping contribute to their success. Now, he'll try to use every bit of that background to turn the Jets around.
So he's got both strong scouting and front office experience. Terry Bradway was a strong scout, Mike Tannenbaum was a strong contracts guy, Idzik was a personnel guy, and Maccagnan was a strong scout. It's not an exaggeration to say Douglas is the most overall qualified GM hire for this team in this millennium.
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Maccagnan came in as a good candidate because he had a strong scouting background and Casserley talked him up. Douglas is coming in with a real front office history.
So he's got both strong scouting and front office experience. Terry Bradway was a strong scout, Mike Tannenbaum was a strong contracts guy, Idzik was a personnel guy, and Maccagnan was a strong scout. It's not an exaggeration to say Douglas is the most overall qualified GM hire for this team in this millennium.
Idzik wasn't a personnel guy, he was a cap guy.
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Idzik wasn't a personnel guy, he was a cap guy.
My mistake. That doesn't invalidate anything else I wrote though. Everyone hired as GM for the Jets this century was a specialist. They finally hired a guy who has experience in multiple facets of the front office operation.
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So we can expect our second round picks to make the team from now on?
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So we can expect our second round picks to make the team from now on?
Let's not get carried away
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Let's not get carried away
Damn
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https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1138239879740088325?s=19
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https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1138239879740088325?s=19
Goddamn right you were alone on that one, Daniel.
I could watch Spies Like Us in its entirety right now, though.
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Introductory press conference scheduled for 3pm EST
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Introductory press conference scheduled for 3pm EST
typical fluff piece.
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I think we found our upgrade at center.
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Sounds like the Mountain is on the verge of hiring Phil Savage according to Rapsheet
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Sounds like the Mountain is on the verge of hiring Phil Savage according to Rapsheet
Quick tell me how I should react to this?
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He also hired Chad Alexander and Rex Hogan
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Quick tell me how I should react to this?
Pro: he drafted Joe Thomas
Con: he hasn't worked in pro football for 7 years (unless you count the AAF)
Pro: he has been running the Senior Bowl, so assuming he's involved in selecting the teams he presumably watches a lot of college football
Con: Adam Gase will probably fire him before the season starts anyway
Reaction to the news: meh.
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#HireRex
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1141137881144016897?s=19
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Looks good on paper, but I’ll reserve judgment for a little while.
I’m interested to see what Douglas does during camp and the preseason to build the bottom of the roster.
Expecting a lot of churn with the practice squad types and 45-53 spots on the final roster.
He’s always been about keeping homegrown talent and signing proven vets to fill key roles.
Corner is this team’s biggest hole and then he needs to look at the OL.
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I'm sure mj2sexay is ecstatic that Joe Douglas hired the Megapowers for his front office.
Hollywood Rex Hogan and Phil MachoMan Savage.
#SnapIntoASlimJim
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Looks good on paper, but I’ll reserve judgment for a little while.
I’m interested to see what Douglas does during camp and the preseason to build the bottom of the roster.
Expecting a lot of churn with the practice squad types and 45-53 spots on the final roster.
He’s always been about keeping homegrown talent and signing proven vets to fill key roles.
Corner is this team’s biggest hole and then he needs to look at the OL.
I know he's not great, but why has this team not re-signed Claiborne? There can't be a decent argument that he's not better than Daryl Roberts, can there? Could it be he's asking too much?
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I know he's not great, but why has this team not re-signed Claiborne? There can't be a decent argument that he's not better than Daryl Roberts, can there? Could it be he's asking too much?
I suspect that Williams will play a lot more press man coverage with the DBs blitzing on a fairly regular basis, and that doesn't seem like Claiborne's skill set. It's not just Roberts - Clark is a big guy and might be well suited to CB2 in that kind of aggressive secondary.
I don't like Williams for a variety of reasons, but I'm pretty sure he's not going to have his corners starting 5 yards off their man, or worse put them into zone coverage, against Brady the way that Bowles did. Especially with Gronkowski gone, I expect our DBs are going to get up in the faces of their assignments and push them off their routes to buy time to bring some noise around Brady. That's how Rex caused problems and I see us doing the same now.
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I know he's not great, but why has this team not re-signed Claiborne? There can't be a decent argument that he's not better than Daryl Roberts, can there? Could it be he's asking too much?
The Bucs offered him the league minimum back in March. From his standpoint, he signed a one-year, prove-it deal in 2017 for $5 million and started 15 games. Then he signed a one-year, prove-it deal AGAIN in 2018 for $7 million and started 15 games. I'm sure he thinks he's proven himself worthy of a multi-year deal and I can't blame him. I think he's demonstrated he can stay reasonably healthy and play at an average starter level, but clearly 32 front offices don't agree with me so what the freak do I know?
League minimum is just under a mill a year I believe.
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it would have been awesome if we had a coach who felt that playing a young talent like derrick jones in what was essentially a lost year could be a fruitful developmental aim for this franchise
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young talent like derrick jones
What makes you say that?
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I'm hoping Douglas is shopping the excrement out of this roster. Get as many picks as you can for next year. 2019 is done.
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It’s not that easy. It’s a delicate balance actually. We have good young talent in some positions and nothing at all in others. Are you going to trade Adams/Maye? Will you get rid of Robby and leave us with no young receivers at all? Would you shop Bell? Other than Leo Williams there’s no one to trade this season. Hope he does deal him but don’t expect a fire sale because with would end up like the Dolphins out there.
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It’s not that easy. It’s a delicate balance actually. We have good young talent in some positions and nothing at all in others. Are you going to trade Adams/Maye? Will you get rid of Robby and leave us with no young receivers at all? Would you shop Bell? Other than Leo Williams there’s no one to trade this season. Hope he does deal him but don’t expect a fire sale because with would end up like the Dolphins out there.
After last night, i'm not sure we're any better than the Dolphins anyway.
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It’s not that easy. It’s a delicate balance actually. We have good young talent in some positions and nothing at all in others. Are you going to trade Adams/Maye? Will you get rid of Robby and leave us with no young receivers at all? Would you shop Bell? Other than Leo Williams there’s no one to trade this season. Hope he does deal him but don’t expect a fire sale because with would end up like the Dolphins out there.
Adams and Darnold are probably the only untouchables, for me. The next level of Maye and Herndon comes with a price tag probably bigger than anyone is willing to consider, but there is a price. Anyone else is fair game, including Bell and Mosley.
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Adams and Darnold are probably the only untouchables, for me. The next level of Maye and Herndon comes with a price tag probably bigger than anyone is willing to consider, but there is a price. Anyone else is fair game, including Bell and Mosley.
I mostly agree. Except, and I know this is going to incite rage, Jamal Adams shouldn't be untouchable either.
Adams is fed up. You can see it in his postgame interviews. He's mad enough when they lose, but he flat out said guys on the roster need to look at themselves in the mirror because a lot of guys didn't show up to play last night.
Unless you firmly believe you can turn over this roster and that either this coaching staff will get their act together or you'll already have a better replacement, there's no way they'll retain him when his rookie deal expires. Even picking up his no-brainer option, that's only 2 years away.
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Use every single draft pick in 2020 on an o-lineman. And all free agent signings.
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Use every single draft pick in 2020 on an o-lineman. And all free agent signings.
Would it be okay to maybe use a mid-rounder on a corner who can, I don't know, actually cover someone? And while I'm asking, how about someone who can actually rush the passer?
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This roster has so many holes, Switzerland is looking to sue based on copyright infringement. Just grab the best player possible except if it's another freaking DE.
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Would it be okay to maybe use a mid-rounder on a corner who can, I don't know, actually cover someone? And while I'm asking, how about someone who can actually rush the passer?
A receiver would be nice, too.
But offensive line is clearly the No. 1 priority. Protect Darnold at all costs. The defense has holes, but the defense can be competent even with the bad corners.
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This roster has so many holes, Switzerland is looking to sue based on copyright infringement. Just grab the best player possible except if it's another freaking DE.
Reaching for position is how you draft bad players. Pretty sure bo was kidding, he's like that.
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Reaching for position is how you draft bad players. Pretty sure bo was kidding, he's like that.
All of his posts are reaches.
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All of his posts are reaches.
You're not wrong.
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It’s not that easy. It’s a delicate balance actually. We have good young talent in some positions and nothing at all in others. Are you going to trade Adams/Maye? Will you get rid of Robby and leave us with no young receivers at all? Would you shop Bell? Other than Leo Williams there’s no one to trade this season. Hope he does deal him but don’t expect a fire sale because with would end up like the Dolphins out there.
If you can get a 2nd+ for Robby and a 3rd+ for Leonard I think you have to pull the trigger
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If you can get a 2nd+ for Robby and a 3rd+ for Leonard I think you have to pull the trigger
That isn't happening for Robby, and we shouldn't do it because it puts Sam in a terrible situation.
If you want to do it for Leo...(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TautCarefreeAntlion-size_restricted.gif)
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That isn't happening for Robby, and we shouldn't do it because it puts Sam in a terrible situation.
If you want to do it for Leo...(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TautCarefreeAntlion-size_restricted.gif)
I would 100% trade Robby for a 2nd. I won't be surprised at all if we deal him.
Is he really that helpful to Sam outside of deep balls? And we don't have time to throw deep balls.
There's a reason Demaryius gets a million targets.
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I would 100% trade Robby for a 2nd. I won't be surprised at all if we deal him.
Is he really that helpful to Sam outside of deep balls? And we don't have time to throw deep balls.
There's a reason Demaryius gets a million targets.
Robby also has a tendency to give up that I really really dislike.
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Robby needs to get traded. Yeah he's good for Sam this year, but this is a lost season. And there's no freaking way we should give this dude a real contract. He makes Gronk look like nobel laureate, so instead of letting him walk, get a return. The market obviously is going to be tighter after sanders and sanu getting traded, but I'm sure someone out there would give up at least a 3rd for him. A 2nd is almost certainly out of the question.
We need to burn this season down and stock piles to get an OL
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I would take just about anything for Leonard Williams. We're not going to franchise him, we should not sign him to a long term deal, and we're going nowhere this season so we can live without his contribution. The only reason I can think of not to trade him is if you think he'll net us a compensatory pick but that'll probably (hopefully) be offset by the free agents we desperately need.
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You can't trade Robby. I don't know if he's in our long-term plans and I don't think he should be, but if you take away Sam Darnold's number one receiver for the rest of the season we're going to have a broken quarterback on our hands.
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You can't trade Robby. I don't know if he's in our long-term plans and I don't think he should be, but if you take away Sam Darnold's number one receiver for the rest of the season we're going to have a broken quarterback on our hands.
We will still have DT, Crowder, Bell and Herndon.
I just wish we had a young receiver to develop if we traded Robby. But we dont unless you count Vyncynt.
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Bellamy and Berrios are already seeing the field, it would just be more often.
That said I wouldn't trade robbie for less than a 3rd for that very reason.
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You can't trade Robby. I don't know if he's in our long-term plans and I don't think he should be, but if you take away Sam Darnold's number one receiver for the rest of the season we're going to have a broken quarterback on our hands.
Robby is expendable. The only untouchables are Darnold, Adams, and Bell imo.
If someone offered a 2nd for Robby, you take it. Give as much draft ammo to big Doug as you can.
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Robby is expendable. The only untouchables are Darnold, Adams, and Bell imo.
If someone offered a 2nd for Robby, you take it. Give as much draft ammo to big Doug as you can.
Trading Bell would be extremely scummy and shitty. It probably would also be really beneficial for the team assuming it didn't throw all morale in the wood shredder. It would work nicer if Mac did it right before getting fired
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Trading Bell would be bad for team morale but what good is a running back on a bad team? It's like a closer on a bad team in baseball.
Bell has been awesome this year and it has amounted to absolutely nothing.
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Trading Bell would be extremely scummy and shitty. It probably would also be really beneficial for the team assuming it didn't throw all morale in the wood shredder. It would work nicer if Mac did it right before getting fired
How did you get “trading bell” from my post?
I said he is untouchable
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I wouldn't trade him. You need good players, get people to block for him. The idea of getting rid of the few good players we have for more draft picks, which have proven overwhelmingly to be not reliable, is not how you build a good team.
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I think I said trade Bell a day or two ago.
And I still say it. Everyone should be available except Sam Darnold, and only because it's the most difficult position to fill in sports. Yes, that even includes Adams if you get a haul back for him.
This team is 3 or more years away from competing. What are you holding onto Bell for? I don't think there was a person on the planet who wanted him here more than me last year. But what good is he to us now? In 3 years, he'll be 30. Playing behind this line, he'll be 30 by December.
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How did you get “trading bell” from my post?
I said he is untouchable
That's my point. You're saying he's untouchable, I'm saying it would benefit this team significantly, despite being tremendously scummy.
If we could trade Bell in some bizarro world for a 2nd round pick while enjoying massive cash savings you have to seriously consider it. We signed him thinking this team was ready to compete for the playoffs. That's not the case. Bells talents will be completely wasted here, and by the time we can compete he's going to be a shell of his formerself.
The dudes window is maybe 2 more years, and he's not accomplishing anything win wise or statistically behind one of most horrendous offensive lines in the league
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Trading Bell would be absolutely freaking stupid especially since he's acting in a kind of leadership capacity. Also sends a great message to future free agents about their staying power here.
I'd much rather trade Robby than anyone on the offense assuming we can get proper compensation.
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Trading Bell would be absolutely freaking stupid especially since he's acting in a kind of leadership capacity. Also sends a great message to future free agents about their staying power here.
I'd much rather trade Robby than anyone on the offense assuming we can get proper compensation.
It does but you have to consider that Bell was signed by a previous GM. So Douglas can at least say that he has a different vision for the team blah blah blah. And if we sign a new head coach you can say he's not a fit for the system etc
That said robbie needs to go asap
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This team is 3 or more years away from competing. What are you holding onto Bell for? I don't think there was a person on the planet who wanted him here more than me last year. But what good is he to us now? In 3 years, he'll be 30. Playing behind this line, he'll be 30 by December.
I don't know about three years. We went from 1-15 to 12-4 in two years, if Douglas is a decent GM he can have us competitive by next year. For a young QB a RB like Bell is an important guy to have around. Can't just strip it down and expect Sam to develop in a vacuum.
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I don't know about three years. We went from 1-15 to 12-4 in two years, if Douglas is a decent GM he can have us competitive by next year. For a young QB a RB like Bell is an important guy to have around. Can't just strip it down and expect Sam to develop in a vacuum.
It's not that Bell isn't valuable. It's his value is way stripped down when we don't have the talent around him to get much out of him
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I don't know about three years. We went from 1-15 to 12-4 in two years, if Douglas is a decent GM he can have us competitive by next year. For a young QB a RB like Bell is an important guy to have around. Can't just strip it down and expect Sam to develop in a vacuum.
The entire offensive line need to be rebuilt. This team needs 2 wide receivers, assuming Anderson leaves. I have no faith Enunwa's ever going to stay healthy.
The defense is always one year away from being a legitimate playoff unit, and even with the lack of quality CBs and a pass rusher, I still think it it's close.
But things are going to change. How much longer can McClendon play? Anderson has disappeared. Q could be a star, but we have to assume Leo is gone. As much as we won't like it, the defense will need to be addressed in the draft.
And we need 5 offensive linemen. I know guards grow on trees, and all, but you're not replacing at least 4 of them (hoping Edoga pans out) in one year.
4 OL
2 WR
2 CB
1 OLB
1 DL
At minimum, that's 10 players that need to be acquired. The Jets, for once, aren't going into an offseason with deep pockets. It's going to take a couple of years to get the personnel built.