Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2019, 12:38:54 PM
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Encouraging sign: Jets RT Brandon Shell (knee surgery) is with the first team in 11on11 team drills.
Not so encouraging sign: S Marcus Maye (shoulder) is not participating in team drills. Doug Middleton starting for him.
Manish
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Rookie #Jets LB Blake Cashman just licked off Trevor Siemian
Connor Hughes, lol
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This is interesting: #Jets QBs are doing a drill with Dowell Loggains where they practice fielding bad snaps (low, high, off center).
aka the Spencer Long drill
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Leonard Williams and Kelechi Osemele do some pushing and shoving. A minor May scuffle #nyj
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“There it is: Gregg Williams has brought his ‘come get some, bitch’ huddle break to the Jets.”
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Apparently Darnold is already throwing darts to Robby Anderson and Enoooonway
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Good to see Marcus Maye-be in regular season form so early.
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Good to see Marcus Maye-be in regular season form so early.
this post somewhat depresses me. if he stays healthy he is a good player. but part of what makes a good player is the ability to stay healthy and be there for your team.
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this post somewhat depresses me. if he stays healthy he is a good player. but part of what makes a good player is the ability to stay healthy and be there for your team.
We'll always have that INT in Cleveland. More than Gholston ever did.
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Connor Hughes’ story about Gase offense in The Athletic
Gase’s offense
It’s still so early, but it was interesting to watch an offense run by someone other than Jeremy Bates. I forgot what competence looks like.
The complexity of Gase’s scheme will undoubtedly advance as the weeks come and go, but early on it looks as if he will give Darnold options on each play. What I mean by that is there are players open to him on every level. He can go short, intermediate, or, as he did multiple times on Thursday, deep. There’s also a creativity to Gase’s calls that I haven’t seen from a Jets offensive coordinator in recent years. Plays in the past seemed designed not to get a receiver open, but to get a specific receiver running a specific route open. Crowder did different things than Enunwa, who did different things than Anderson, who did different things than Herndon.
And as for trick plays, those of which have been extinct from New York’s playbook, I’d expect them to run a couple this year.
“It’s aggressive,” Darnold said of Gase’s scheme. “We won’t be shy. I’m going to sling it around a little bit. It’s going to be fun.”
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Connor Hughes’ story about Gase offense in The Athletic
Gase’s offense
It’s still so early, but it was interesting to watch an offense run by someone other than Jeremy Bates. I forgot what competence looks like.
The complexity of Gase’s scheme will undoubtedly advance as the weeks come and go, but early on it looks as if he will give Darnold options on each play. What I mean by that is there are players open to him on every level. He can go short, intermediate, or, as he did multiple times on Thursday, deep. There’s also a creativity to Gase’s calls that I haven’t seen from a Jets offensive coordinator in recent years. Plays in the past seemed designed not to get a receiver open, but to get a specific receiver running a specific route open. Crowder did different things than Enunwa, who did different things than Anderson, who did different things than Herndon.
And as for trick plays, those of which have been extinct from New York’s playbook, I’d expect them to run a couple this year.
“It’s aggressive,” Darnold said of Gase’s scheme. “We won’t be shy. I’m going to sling it around a little bit. It’s going to be fun.”
#FireGase
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Connor Hughes’ story about Gase offense in The Athletic
Gase’s offense
It’s still so early, but it was interesting to watch an offense run by someone other than Jeremy Bates. I forgot what competence looks like.
The complexity of Gase’s scheme will undoubtedly advance as the weeks come and go, but early on it looks as if he will give Darnold options on each play. What I mean by that is there are players open to him on every level. He can go short, intermediate, or, as he did multiple times on Thursday, deep. There’s also a creativity to Gase’s calls that I haven’t seen from a Jets offensive coordinator in recent years. Plays in the past seemed designed not to get a receiver open, but to get a specific receiver running a specific route open. Crowder did different things than Enunwa, who did different things than Anderson, who did different things than Herndon.
And as for trick plays, those of which have been extinct from New York’s playbook, I’d expect them to run a couple this year.
“It’s aggressive,” Darnold said of Gase’s scheme. “We won’t be shy. I’m going to sling it around a little bit. It’s going to be fun.”
Awesome.
You do know that Bates was the OC and that Gase is the HC, right? And that the single biggest problem we've had for the last decade is that we've had head coaches who only give a excrement about one side of the ball, and abdicate responsibility for the other side to someone else? You remember that, surely?
Why is it suddenly good that we're doing the exact same thing all over again but with someone less suited to being a head coach than the last two were?
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Awesome.
You do know that Bates was the OC and that Gase is the HC, right? And that the single biggest problem we've had for the last decade is that we've had head coaches who only give a excrement about one side of the ball, and abdicate responsibility for the other side to someone else? You remember that, surely?
Why is it suddenly good that we're doing the exact same thing all over again but with someone less suited to being a head coach than the last two were?
I think we can all agree that the best coordinator on the opposite side of the ball from our head coaches specialty is Greg Williams.
He trumps Bates, Gailey, Sparano and Schottenheimer without question in my eyes
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Awesome.
You do know that Bates was the OC and that Gase is the HC, right? And that the single biggest problem we've had for the last decade is that we've had head coaches who only give a excrement about one side of the ball, and abdicate responsibility for the other side to someone else? You remember that, surely?
Why is it suddenly good that we're doing the exact same thing all over again but with someone less suited to being a head coach than the last two were?
The biggest difference is offense is exponentially more important than defense in today's NFL.
Yeah you're probably not winning a SB with a top 5 offense and bottom 5 defense, but you'll be pretty freaking close.
Not to mention even if we have a historically bad defense under gase, if he can put Darnold in a good place to be an elite franchise QB for the next 15 years I'd say it's still worth it
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Awesome.
You do know that Bates was the OC and that Gase is the HC, right? And that the single biggest problem we've had for the last decade is that we've had head coaches who only give a excrement about one side of the ball, and abdicate responsibility for the other side to someone else? You remember that, surely?
Why is it suddenly good that we're doing the exact same thing all over again but with someone less suited to being a head coach than the last two were?
The biggest problem with Rex and Bowles was that neither was a great coach. Most coaches have an area they specialize in.
The article was about how Adam Gase's offense looks with Sam Darnold. Your takeaway for some reason was that he doesnt care about the defense.
I'm fine if you want to ignore a May fluff piece but nothing in this article has anything to do with your conclusion.
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I think we can all agree that the best coordinator on the opposite side of the ball from our head coaches specialty is Greg Williams.
He trumps Bates, Gailey, Sparano and Schottenheimer without question in my eyes
Can we? I wouldn't. I don't quite know where Williams' reputation comes from because he isn't the savant that some seem to think. If we take YPG as a measure (I know it has its failings) then he has coached teams to the following finishes over the last 10 years:
25th
4th
24th
14th
14th
17th
23rd
9th
14th
30th
That's hardly a ringing endorsement, is it?
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The biggest problem with Rex and Bowles was that neither was a great coach. Most coaches have an area they specialize in.
The article was about how Adam Gase's offense looks with Sam Darnold. Your takeaway for some reason was that he doesnt care about the defense.
I'm fine if you want to ignore a May fluff piece but nothing in this article has anything to do with your conclusion.
That's some revisionist bullshit. Rex and Bowles were both hired because they'd done excellent jobs as DCs with their respective teams, and they were both fired because they couldn't build a team with the same level of competence. Apparently we're going to laud Gase for not even trying, and just leaving someone else to get on with the job of building the defense? That's not a head coach, it's an offensive co-ordinator.
I'm already on record as saying that the one thing I'm not worried about him ruining is Sam, because for all his other failings he knows what he's doing with QBs. I don't know why the Gase cheerleaders like Hughes are praising him for it though, he's supposed to be running the entire team.
Everything about the Jets' management structure is completely fucked up and expecting that this is somehow going to just magically work out is mental.
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Can we? I wouldn't. I don't quite know where Williams' reputation comes from because he isn't the savant that some seem to think. If we take YPG as a measure (I know it has its failings) then he has coached teams to the following finishes over the last 10 years:
25th
4th
24th
14th
14th
17th
23rd
9th
14th
30th
That's hardly a ringing endorsement, is it?
I mean ypg is hardly how I'd measure a DC. I would think ppg allowed is a better indicator and balancing that by factoring in scoring margin as offensive tempo will frequently dictate scoring opportunities for both teams.
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I mean ypg is hardly how I'd measure a DC. I would think ppg allowed is a better indicator and balancing that by factoring in scoring margin as offensive tempo will frequently dictate scoring opportunities for both teams.
OK. PPG then:
20th
7th
24th
14th
14th
16th
13th
23rd
31st
21st
It's even worse on that metric.
He is not and has never been a particularly good defensive co-ordinator.
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That's some revisionist bullshit. Rex and Bowles were both hired because they'd done excellent jobs as DCs with their respective teams, and they were both fired because they couldn't build a team with the same level of competence. Apparently we're going to laud Gase for not even trying, and just leaving someone else to get on with the job of building the defense? That's not a head coach, it's an offensive co-ordinator.
I'm already on record as saying that the one thing I'm not worried about him ruining is Sam, because for all his other failings he knows what he's doing with QBs. I don't know why the Gase cheerleaders like Hughes are praising him for it though, he's supposed to be running the entire team.
Everything about the Jets' management structure is completely fucked up and expecting that this is somehow going to just magically work out is mental.
Please explain what is revisionist history. Obviously Rex and Bowles specialized in defense. Adam Gase specializes in offense. Sean Payton, Sean McVay and Andy Reid specialize in offense too. Rex and Bowles specialized in defense. It worked for Rex until it didnt. It never really worked for Bowles.
I'm not lauding Gaee for anything. You are destroying Gase for not coaching up the defense after a fluff piece in late May about his offensive installation.
We get that you dont like Gase, but these rants in this thread dont make any sense.
You say "Gase cheerleaders." Nobody is a Gase cheerleader. None of us wanted him that much. But he is ours now, and I'm going to give him a chance. If he fails, which is more likely than not, we will move on to the next guy.
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Please explain what is revisionist history. Obviously Rex and Bowles specialized in defense. Adam Gase specializes in offense. Sean Payton, Sean McVay and Andy Reid specialize in offense too. Rex and Bowles specialized in defense. It worked for Rex until it didnt. It never really worked for Bowles.
You said, and I quote, "The biggest problem with Rex and Bowles was that neither was a great coach". That's revisionist bullshit. They were both great coaches, but as so often happens in sport the Peter Principle was once again demonstrated and we promoted them into a position of incompetence.
I'm not lauding Gaee for anything. You are destroying Gase for not coaching up the defense after a fluff piece in late May about his offensive installation.
We get that you dont like Gase, but these rants in this thread dont make any sense.
You say "Gase cheerleaders." Nobody is a Gase cheerleader. None of us wanted him that much. But he is ours now, and I'm going to give him a chance. If he fails, which is more likely than not, we will move on to the next guy.
Go back and read this thread again, and particularly the post to which I was replying. It was Connor Hughes pumping Gase's tires for doing something that isn't actually his freaking job. It's Dowell Loggains' job.
I was talking about the media specifically when I referred to cheerleaders, but I don't understand the mentality of "I didn't want him and I know he was a garbage head coach in his last job but I'm going to give him a chance because hey, maybe something magic will happen". If we'd just signed Justin Gilbert to be our starting corner you wouldn't be saying "well, I didn't want him but I'll give him a chance". I don't understand why you behave differently with an even more important part of the machine.
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You said, and I quote, "The biggest problem with Rex and Bowles was that neither was a great coach". That's revisionist bullshit. They were both great coaches, but as so often happens in sport the Peter Principle was once again demonstrated and we promoted them into a position of incompetence.
...come on, now you're just arguing semantics. Clearly, I meant their head coaching abilities. If you want to argue they were both great head coaches, feel free. Otherwise, you're just making up an argument for the sake of it.
Go back and read this thread again, and particularly the post to which I was replying. It was Connor Hughes pumping Gase's tires for doing something that isn't actually his freaking job. It's Dowell Loggains' job.
I was talking about the media specifically when I referred to cheerleaders, but I don't understand the mentality of "I didn't want him and I know he was a garbage head coach in his last job but I'm going to give him a chance because hey, maybe something magic will happen". If we'd just signed Justin Gilbert to be our starting corner you wouldn't be saying "well, I didn't want him but I'll give him a chance". I don't understand why you behave differently with an even more important part of the machine.
Because we're fans. And because none of us really know all the answers. I'm not in the locker room. I don't like the Adam Gase hire, but he had a winning record as a head coach when his starting QB (Ryan Tannehill) was healthy, and he was 10-14 with Cutler and Osweiler. Maybe Gase is a great head coach and Miami was a terrible situation. Maybe Gase is an egomaniac who thinks he's a lot better than he is and will get fired in a year or two.
It's Adam Gase's job to run the offense WITH Dowell Loggains. Saying that it's solely Loggains' job is just ignorant. Every offensive head coach has a significant role in his offense. Payton, McVay, Reich, Reid, Arians, Gruden, Gruden, Nagy, Shanahan, etc. Those are all their offenses. Just like our offense is Gase's offense. Saying otherwise is simply wrong.
Again, the problem with Rex and Bowles wasn't that they spent too much time on the defense. You can spend a lot of time on the unit you specialize in as a head coach. You just have to be competent at the other parts of the job of being a head coach. Rex and Bowles were not competent. Hopefully, Gase is.
So far, all Gase has done as a Jets head coach is point out Mike Maccagnan's incompetence. When he starts coaching actual games, I will judge him as Jets head coach.
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I’ve been complaining about the power play because of the organizational dysfunction, but clearly the best thing that Gase has done is point out what an incompetent buffoon Maccagnan was. I can’t really blame him for that one.
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I’ve been complaining about the power play because of the organizational dysfunction, but clearly the best thing that Gase has done is point out what an incompetent buffoon Maccagnan was. I can’t really blame him for that one.
That's definitely the optimistic way of looking at this. Gase got an incompetent GM fired. Hopefully, we can find a more competent GM to replace him. This upcoming GM hire is going to be huge. Hopefully, we get one of our top choices, and they're willing to work with Gase. I hate that we are hiring a GM with a coach already in place, since we saw how that worked with Idzik, but if Gase is friends with people who are widely respected in the NFL and that can do the job well, this could still work out in the end.
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I’ve been complaining about the power play because of the organizational dysfunction, but clearly the best thing that Gase has done is point out what an incompetent buffoon Maccagnan was. I can’t really blame him for that one.
The opposite side of that coin is Gase has done more to point out what an incompetent buffoon Chris Johnson is than he did Mac.
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That's definitely the optimistic way of looking at this. Gase got an incompetent GM fired. Hopefully, we can find a more competent GM to replace him. This upcoming GM hire is going to be huge. Hopefully, we get one of our top choices, and they're willing to work with Gase. I hate that we are hiring a GM with a coach already in place, since we saw how that worked with Idzik, but if Gase is friends with people who are widely respected in the NFL and that can do the job well, this could still work out in the end.
I didn't like the last time we hired a GM with a coach already in place. But the main objective should be to have the FO and coaching staff work as a cohesive unit. If the Jets hire someone with a solid pedigree and Gase's stamp of approval, i can't see why it shouldn't work this time. You're bang on with this potential hire being pivotal to our future success.
The opposite side of that coin is Gase has done more to point out what an incompetent buffoon Chris Johnson is than he did Mac.
My only gripe with the Johnsons is their stupid reporting structure. I don't understand why the HC and GM both need to report to the owner. All that does is create a potential power struggle if disagreements are had.
Because the Johnsons are doing it this way, it's imperative they hire a GM that works well with their HC.....or it could end in disaster. Like it did with the last 2 regimes.
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it's pretty funny that most of this message board clowns on manish but takes his nonsense as gospel fact whenever it fits a SOJ mongo narrative
non manish reports: heimerdiner made a power play for maccagnan's job, Christopher Johnson decided he was done with it and fired them both
manish report: Adam Gase stabbed Mike Maccagnan in the back just like when this dumb wrestler did this dumb thing to this other dumb wrestler in this lame derriere WWE gif I posted on twitter
JO: I agree wholeheartedly with manish, he's smart and handsome
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freak Manish
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it's pretty funny that most of this message board clowns on manish but takes his nonsense as gospel fact whenever it fits a SOJ mongo narrative
non manish reports: heimerdiner made a power play for maccagnan's job, Christopher Johnson decided he was done with it and fired them both
manish report: Adam Gase stabbed Mike Maccagnan in the back just like when this dumb wrestler did this dumb thing to this other dumb wrestler in this lame derriere WWE gif I posted on twitter
JO: I agree wholeheartedly with manish, he's smart and handsome
That’s an interesting scenario you cooked up there, considering the initial reports of a rift between Macc and Gase didn’t come from Manish and he claimed they were “200% false”.
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That’s an interesting scenario you cooked up there, considering the initial reports of a rift between Macc and Gase didn’t come from Manish and he claimed they were “200% false”.
Manish is a biased excrement stirrer, but at the end of the day the issues have nothing to do with him. This is the same arranged marriage excrement we did with Rex and Idzik, except Rex was a beloved fairly successes coach here. Gase was a lukewarm candidate thst just got fired elsewhere and suddenly were building our franchise around him.
No matter how you spin it Manish isn't the issue
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Manish is a biased excrement stirrer, but at the end of the day the issues have nothing to do with him. This is the same arranged marriage excrement we did with Rex and Idzik, except Rex was a beloved fairly successes coach here. Gase was a lukewarm candidate thst just got fired elsewhere and suddenly were building our franchise around him.
No matter how you spin it Manish isn't the issue
None of what you just said takes away from Manish being a complete shitbag and hack of a reporter
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It's refreshing to hear a head coach who sounds like he knows what he's talking about when it comes to offense. I can't remember the last time we had a coach who took this much of an interest in the offense.
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Nobody posted this?
(https://i.imgur.com/eOPF98q.jpg)
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Nobody posted this?
(https://i.imgur.com/eOPF98q.jpg)
I don't get it. Is Darnold taunting Nickerson for not tackling him in an OTA practice? Nickerson was a 6th round pick by a GM who was recently fired and his interim replacement has already made changes. Sorry Sam, but that was a "business decision" for Nickerson.
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Nobody posted this?
(https://i.imgur.com/eOPF98q.jpg)
<3
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I don't get it. Is Darnold taunting Nickerson for not tackling him in an OTA practice? Nickerson was a 6th round pick by a GM who was recently fired and his interim replacement has already made changes. Sorry Sam, but that was a "business decision" for Nickerson.
joke
/jōk/
noun
1. a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
"she was in a mood to tell jokes"
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I don't get it. Is Darnold taunting Nickerson for not tackling him in an OTA practice? Nickerson was a 6th round pick by a GM who was recently fired and his interim replacement has already made changes. Sorry Sam, but that was a "business decision" for Nickerson.
There’s no friendly excrement talking in Dungeons and Dragons, huh?
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Is Sam Darnold a bad leader?
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I don't get it. Is Darnold taunting Nickerson for not tackling him in an OTA practice? Nickerson was a 6th round pick by a GM who was recently fired and his interim replacement has already made changes. Sorry Sam, but that was a "business decision" for Nickerson.
Jfc, this is straight from the Manish School Of Picking Drama-Dingleberries Out Of Your derriere.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and have confidence that you "get it", haha.
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My bad guys. I said I didn't get it.
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Is Sam Darnold a bad leader?
I like it, challenge everybody. Show em up, maybe he makes the stop next time. Breaking balls on Instagram is one way to motivate young players. Also love how McGuire chimes in.
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My bad guys. I said I didn't get it.
It's Sam, the kid who's been a non-poopchute from the jump. He's not calling anyone out.
Friendly excrement-talking with his boys, knowing that Nickerson was not playing full-speed. Modest ball-breaking.
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It's Sam, the kid who's been a non-poopchute from the jump. He's not calling anyone out.
Friendly excrement-talking with his boys, knowing that Nickerson was not playing full-speed. Modest ball-breaking.
Wait, I didn't think he meant it "seriously" serious. I knew he was taunting him. I was just thinking "Yeah, well that's shitty cuz the guy literally couldn't stop you, what's he gonna do other than watch you coast by?"
I didn't think Sam was being an poopchute. I'm not even sure Sam's capable of being an poopchute.
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I didn't think Sam was being an poopchute. I'm not even sure Sam's capable of being an poopchute.
I hope he is, I can't think of a great QB I've watched who doesn't have that edge to him. Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Favre are all assholes when they need to be. I think that's probably true of all great athletes regardless of sport or position.
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Important part is Sam has two hands on the football. #NotSanchez
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I hope he is, I can't think of a great QB I've watched who doesn't have that edge to him. Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Favre are all assholes when they need to be. I think that's probably true of all great athletes regardless of sport or position.
When he needs to lead, I'm not worried about his leadership skills. There's a difference between being a demanding leader and being an poopchute.
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Remember the guy at TGG that claimed Sanchez threw INTs because he was tired from running down the field celebrating?
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Remember the guy at TGG that claimed Sanchez threw INTs because he was tired from running down the field celebrating?
Sg3?
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I hope he is, I can't think of a great QB I've watched who doesn't have that edge to him. Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Favre are all assholes when they need to be. I think that's probably true of all great athletes regardless of sport or position.
Lionel Messi says hi 😬
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Dennis Waszak Jr. @DWAZ73
Adam Gase says all #Jets players have reported for mandatory minicamp.
GOD DAMN IT I DEMAND A CRISIS
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Sam with a couple of hiccups today - crisis?
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes
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Sam with a couple of hiccups today - crisis?
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes
Bust
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Bust
: )
it gets better v
Kelvin Beachum on Le’Veon Bell: “We got a loudmouth on defense (Jamal Adams) and now we got a loudmouth on offense.” #Jets
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1135959690024820736
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Connor Hughes @Connor_J_Hughes
Adam Gase won’t hold a third minicamp practice today. He’s taking the team to Top Golf instead for team building. #Jets
Which all sounds great until you see what Fangio did for his team:
Nicki Jhabvala @NickiJhabvala
Here's what Vic Fangio planned for his players instead of practice:
HR derby
Remote-control car race
Basketball shootout
Water-balloon toss
Shaved Italian ice station
Golf chipping contest
Dunk tank
Rumor has it that John Elway will be participating in the dunk tank.
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I heard Gase is going to take them to dave and busters before all the games though
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Meanwhile...
(https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v1/items/4d185a8c2955474d94fb77107c9387ec/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
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Who the freak cares
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His favorite Italian Ice flavor is plain.
#TB12
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His favorite Italian Ice flavor is his son’s penis
#TB12
FYP
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FYP
That's disgusting and inappropriate.
Please refrain from insulting Italian ice.
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That's disgusting and inappropriate.
Please refrain from insulting Italian ice.
Eyyy I'm meltin' here
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That's disgusting and inappropriate.
Please refrain from insulting Italian ice.
one of the most annoying things about philadelphia is how people call them 'water ice' here
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one of the most annoying things about philadelphia is how people call them 'water ice' here
......wtf
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one of the most annoying things about philadelphia is how people call them 'water ice' here
People in Pennsylvania cities just make up excrement names for things so they can pretend to have an identity.
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Philadelphians have an identity. They're all cunts.
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Philadelphians have an identity. They're all cunts.
This