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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: MBGreen on May 16, 2019, 08:02:35 AM
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So...we know Gase is only temporary. Who do we want for the long haul?
The popular name going around is Joe Douglas (Director of Player Personnel from the Eagles) because of his ties with Gase. But Manish threw some other names out there along with Douglas:
-Champ Kelly (Asst Director of Player Personnel - Bears)
-Lance Newmark (Director of Player Personnel - Lions)
-Adam Peters (VP of Player Personnel - Niners)
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Tannenbaum
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Dowell Loggains
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MBGreen
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MBGreen
I can't do it...I'd fire coaches a few days after i hire them.
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I can't do it...I'd fire coaches a few days after i hire them.
GM/Coach/Dietician
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Bowles
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Bowles
#Fired
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ESPN Richmond sources indicate Eagles VP of Player Personnel & former Richmond Spider Joe Douglas is close to completing a deal to become the next GM of the Jets. Douglas has a close relationship with Jets' HC Adam Gase.
@ESPN Richmond
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The Jets beat reporters suck
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@ESPN Richmond
let's freaking goooo
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That makes sense. You have to figure he was already contacted before Maccagnan was fired to gauge his interest. Here's to hoping this entire coup works out.
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Bring me Daniel Jeremiah
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Not currently on the list. Joe Douglas’s job to turn down. Problem is, Eagles have counter-offered and said he’ll get a new title. People around Douglas are trying to paint Jets as a s-*tshow, and to stay.
@jasonrmcintyre
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back up the brinks truck, Christopher.
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Bring me Daniel Jeremiah
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/UnfoldedWateryBactrian-size_restricted.gif)
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@jasonrmcintyre
It shouldn’t be too hard to make us look like a excrement show.
That said only 32 GM jobs exist and we already have the most important piece in house, elite WB prospect on a rookie deal. That’s a hell of a starting point to work with.
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Condoleeza Rice
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LOL
https://twitter.com/CRO31/status/1129131461150412805
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LOL
https://twitter.com/CRO31/status/1129131461150412805
You got a problem with the Jets bro?
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Very rarely do I feel like I agree with Cromartie but he isn't wrong.
I'd love to see Daniel Jeremiah in the front office in some capacity.
Talking heads are blowing up about Peyton Manning. Feels like it'll be John Elway East, but what do I know?
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Cromartie is wrong. Maccagnan was a shitty GM. Regardless of whether the timing sucked, he had to be let go.
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Cromartie is wrong. Maccagnan was a shitty GM. Regardless of whether the timing sucked, he had to be let go.
Maybe I'm misreading the tweet - I took it as "here we go again" type of statement. Is he replying to a specific tweet?
I'll be mildly relieved if I'm not agreeing with Cro.
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Maybe I'm misreading the tweet - I took it as "here we go again" type of statement. Is he replying to a specific tweet?
I'll be mildly relieved if I'm not agreeing with Cro.
In separate replies he defended Mac's resume (specifically with the draft) and argued that he shouldn't have been let go.
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https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1130139467497582592
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Baldy is all about that Jet life lately.
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The Jets general manager search will be driven by three people:
1) CEO Christopher Johnson
2) Adam Gase (HC/interim GM)
3) Hymie Elhai (VP, business affairs/general counsel)
Others will be consulted, but those three will be the main players.
- Manish
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nfl_podcasts/status/1130535866906996736
DJ says he hasn’t been contacted by the Jets
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Jets won’t be hiring a search firm/consultant for GM search like they did for the previous two hires.
However, they’ve told people that TV personality & sideline reporter Peter Schrager could be contacted for assistance on prospective candidates. His name has come up internally
-Manish
Lol
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Manish is running out ideas for click bait.
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From my understanding, while the #Jets respect Peter Schrager, their discussions with him have only been about working the team’s preseason telecasts. Nothing else.
Connor Hughes
Manish is lawst without his source
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Literally all of the other NYJ beat writers are pooping on Manish
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josinaanderson @JosinaAnderson
League source commenting on the #Jets GM vacancy Thurs: "No one really wants job without long-term deal. Staff in place is not qualified to handle personnel matters. (People are wondering) how much control is new person actually going to have."
Good to see that things are being handled in the Jets' usual efficient and professional manner.
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Good to see that things are being handled in the Jets' usual efficient and professional manner.
Josina is pissed because Todd Bowles won't be considered for the job.
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- Manish
We have a guy named Hymie involved in the GM search? Hymie?
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We have a guy named Hymie involved in the GM search? Hymie?
I still sing "HymieTown" once in awhile, from Best of Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live.
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Jets have officially requested permission to interview Joe Douglas and Champ Kelly according to Rappaport
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Jets have officially requested permission to interview Joe Douglas and Champ Kelly according to Rappaport
Champ Kelly fulfills the Rooney Rule, but he also has a Gase connection.
I think it will be Douglas.
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i fully expect it to be Douglas
and im fine. Eagles have done a solid job in personnel . i did love Gase repsonse at his PC . he handled it like a G. i was really against his hire then realized Miami is a Redskins like shitshow as far as Ownership and a bunch of clueless executives getting involved. then I realized anyone who can take Tannehill to the playoffs and win with Ossweiler is worth getting in the room with Darnold.
Boomer also states the biggest clash between Mac and Gase was not securing Morse or Paradis. which proves to me already that Maccagnan is a bum
further more im just convinced that Jets fans love to pee and moan
we canned a guy whos best picks were by proxy of building such a mediocre roster we picked in the top 6, 3 out of 4 years. spare me any defense of Coffee Cup McGee
Gase is starting to remind me of people like Belicheck and Carroll. good coaches who didnt impress in their first stints.
I also dont see a problem with a HC getting irritated with a lack of input on his own freaking roster. Just get me someone with enough balls to go toe to toe with someone whos as pushy as Gase , yet the respect is there.
Douglas sounds like he fits that bill
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George Paton (asst GM Vikings) and Scott Fitterer (co-director of player personnel Seahawks) have been added to the interview list....per Rapsheet
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George Paton (asst GM Vikings) and Scott Fitterer (co-director of player personnel Seahawks) have been added to the interview list....per Rapsheet
Hopefully we actually do our due diligence
Because the preliminary vibe of this is that we had already anointed Douglas before even firing Mac
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Douglas is the best candidate
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Douglas is the best candidate
I'm fine with hiring him, but if we don't seriously evaluate other candidates it looks even worse for the organization. Not to mention is a pretty sloppy way of handling things
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I'm fine with hiring him, but if we don't seriously evaluate other candidates it looks even worse for the organization. Not to mention is a pretty sloppy way of handling things
If we get a good candidate, optics are irrelevant.
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If we get a good candidate, optics are irrelevant.
Optics aren't even the biggest of concerns, it means we're being closed minded when making important decisions.
You have a process in place, you go out and get the best guy for the job. You don't jump into things with your mind made up and decisions predetermined
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Optics aren't even the biggest of concerns, it means we're being closed minded when making important decisions.
You have a process in place, you go out and get the best guy for the job. You don't jump into things with your mind made up and decisions predetermined
The Jets will interview a few candidates. But i'm convinced it's Joe Douglas's job if he wants it.
I'm not worried about optics either, if it lands us a competent GM.
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if you put aside SOJ nonsense and adam gase hate, the next GM is walking into a dream job
his job from now until next year's FA is to be a roster manager. or to execute gase's roster management. it's barely a real job.
all the hard parts are done. either the Jets are going to be good and the new GM's job next year will be to round out an already competitive roster while still having a lot of cap flexibility, or the Jets are going to be mediocre and he'll pretty much be doing the same thing except with a built in fall guy for the 2019-20 struggles, and then get the glory for whatever happens in Darnold's year 3
it's at least 2 years security for a job that barely requires doing.
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if you put aside SOJ nonsense and adam gase hate, the next GM is walking into a dream job
his job from now until next year's FA is to be a roster manager. or to execute gase's roster management. it's barely a real job.
all the hard parts are done. either the Jets are going to be good and the new GM's job next year will be to round out an already competitive roster while still having a lot of cap flexibility, or the Jets are going to be mediocre and he'll pretty much be doing the same thing except with a built in fall guy for the 2019-20 struggles, and then get the glory for whatever happens in Darnold's year 3
it's at least 2 years security for a job that barely requires doing.
Or you could say it's a dysfunctional organization that chews through GMS and HCs. You'll have some bizarre inept reporting structure and you don't even get to pick your own HC.
Yeah it's great to have Darnold and basically be off the hook for this season. But there's a lot of current major issues
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-gm-search-hiring-process-could-be-a-doozy-even-though-they-believe-to-have-candidate-in-sights/
LaCanfora's take. Which shouldn't be held in high regard, because he's a clown. But some of the article is interesting (if true).
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No one is calling that fat, lazy eyed slob for advice on hiring a GM.
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No one is calling that fat, lazy eyed slob for advice on hiring a GM.
I'm not a fan of his. But he was one of the first to report there were issues between Gase and Duff at the draft.
There isn't much going on this time of year, so i don't mind reading excrement like this on a slow work day.
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I'm not a fan of his. But he was one of the first to report there were issues between Gase and Duff at the draft.
There isn't much going on this time of year, so i don't mind reading excrement like this on a slow work day.
Only a fascist country would make you work on a day like today
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Only a fascist country would make you work on a day like today
This comment has upset me so much that I'm considering taking one of my five weeks of paid vacation to recover.
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This comment has upset me so much that I'm considering taking one of my five weeks of paid vacation to recover.
Isn't that a normal amount of vacation time for people with real jobs?
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Isn't that a normal amount of vacation time for people with real jobs?
It is in civilised countries, but not in the US. (https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/private-industry-workers-received-average-of-15-paid-vacation-days-after-5-years-of-service-in-2017.htm)
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Isn't that a normal amount of vacation time for people with real jobs?
You get five weeks a year?
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You get five weeks a year?
I started off with 4 weeks and 4 days a year (4.8 weeks) which increases by like 2 hours a year or some excrement
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You get five weeks a year?
in Manitoba, you typically start with 3 weeks. Unless you're a govt schlep like myself, then you start with 4 weeks.
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According to Florio, Scott Fitterer (Seahawks) will be interviewed later this week.
Don't know much about him. I still prefer Joe Douglas.
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According to Florio, Scott Fitterer (Seahawks) will be interviewed later this week.
Don't know much about him. I still prefer Joe Douglas.
He has a excrement name
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Isn't that a normal amount of vacation time for people with real jobs?
dcm with his finger on the pulse of America as always
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He has a excrement name
we'll probably hire him
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The last guy we got from Seattle was a lady garden.
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dcm with his finger on the pulse of America as always
I assumed most people on this forum were american but it seems every day one of you come out of the attic
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The last guy we got from Seattle was a lady garden.
we hired their accountant last time
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As much as I disliked the Gase hire, whoever is hired should have the exact same philosophy as Gase regarding roster building/management.
Everything that has happened previously is irrelevant. Right now, the entire focus of this team needs to be getting Gase the players he feels best help execute his vision for the team. Normally, I'd want the GM to have the vision and let him hire a coach that agrees with it, but the milk is spilled, so do it the other way around this time.
If it doesn't work out, this team will need a true scorched earth rebuild anyway. So Johnson needs to go all in with the choices he's already made. Power play or not, this is Gase's team now.
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If it doesn't work out, this team will need a true scorched earth rebuild anyway.
Another one?
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Another one?
Seriously. I don't know who we're going to get to do that, the last two GMs didn't survive their own rebuilding jobs.
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Seriously. I don't know who we're going to get to do that, the last two GMs didn't survive their own rebuilding jobs.
that's because one had zero player personnel/scouting experience, and the other was too wishy washy in his decision making.
Although i hated Tannenbaum's philosophy of trading away draft picks, he did a better job at running the team than Idzik/Duff/Bradway combined.
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Another one?
Another one, meaning what? Because there hasn't been one in a really long time for this team. Rex inherited Mangini's roster and tried to tool it to his purposes. Maccagnan took Rex's roster and tried to modify it.
If the combination of Gase and whoever is hired as GM doesn't work out, they should both be fired and the scouting department cleaned out. The next GM should be given full autonomy to bring in his own staff, hire his own coach, and cut anyone on the roster not named Sam or Jamal.
But hopefully, that's a moot point. I'm hoping that 24 months from now I'm happily eating crow over every negative thing I've said about Gase. I don't need to like the guy, I just need him to lead my team to playoff wins.
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Another one, meaning what? Because there hasn't been one in a really long time for this team.
What would you call cutting your veterans, clearing your cap, and tanking a season to draft a franchise QB at #3? Whether or not it works remains to be seen, but we did do it and that was last year.
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What would you call cutting your veterans, clearing your cap, and tanking a season to draft a franchise QB at #3? Whether or not it works remains to be seen, but we did do it and that was last year.
we didn't tank our season. If we were tanking, it wouldn't have cost us three 2nd rounders to move up for Darnold.
Todd Bowles was here to win, baybay.
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What would you call cutting your veterans, clearing your cap, and tanking a season to draft a franchise QB at #3? Whether or not it works remains to be seen, but we did do it and that was last year.
Who'd they cut? Wilkerson? I'll reserve my anger for someone worth the worry.
They didn't clear any cap. Contracts had been designed to create that room in anticipation of that free agent class--specifically Kirk Cousins.
And they didn't tank. They sucked. Part of that was poor roster management, and part of that was terrible coaching. Tanking is purposely sabotaging your team with the intention of losing. The last regime made no such effort, they just weren't any good at winning.
This team has not scorched earth since at least Mangini. I honestly can't remember whether he and Tannenbaum did or not, but certainly, no regime since has done it.
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Another one, meaning what? Because there hasn't been one in a really long time for this team. Rex inherited Mangini's roster and tried to tool it to his purposes. Maccagnan took Rex's roster and tried to modify it.
Genuinely curious what you think a full rebuild looks like if 2017 didn't qualify for you. Short of Drogon making repeated passes over Florham Park....
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Genuinely curious what you think a full rebuild looks like if 2017 didn't qualify for you. Short of Drogon making repeated passes over Florham Park...
I wouldn't mind seeing that.
Seriously, though. What I see as a scorched earth rebuild is completely cleaning house. Fire all the front office and coaching staff and bring in a GM who then picks his HC. Together, they tear down the roster to only the most vital core players (in the current Jets case, Darnold and Adams for sure, then to a lesser degree guys like the Williams linemen, Anderson, Enunwa, and Herndon--if those guys fit your system).
Then you completely revamp the roster via the draft and ignore free agency for a few years until you're ready to grab a "final piece" or two. This team has tried to play it both ways for far too long, often using FA as a means to fill in roster holes left by poor drafting. That's a failing strategy, and I hope this team is finally done with it.
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I wouldn't mind seeing that.
Seriously, though. What I see as a scorched earth rebuild is completely cleaning house. Fire all the front office and coaching staff and bring in a GM who then picks his HC. Together, they tear down the roster to only the most vital core players (in the current Jets case, Darnold and Adams for sure, then to a lesser degree guys like the Williams linemen, Anderson, Enunwa, and Herndon--if those guys fit your system).
Then you completely revamp the roster via the draft and ignore free agency for a few years until you're ready to grab a "final piece" or two. This team has tried to play it both ways for far too long, often using FA as a means to fill in roster holes left by poor drafting. That's a failing strategy, and I hope this team is finally done with it.
There are multiple reasons why this is either a bad idea or just plain not possible, but you'll have to wait until I'm on my laptop and not on my phone at the gym.
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I wouldn't mind seeing that.
Seriously, though. What I see as a scorched earth rebuild is completely cleaning house. Fire all the front office and coaching staff and bring in a GM who then picks his HC. Together, they tear down the roster to only the most vital core players (in the current Jets case, Darnold and Adams for sure, then to a lesser degree guys like the Williams linemen, Anderson, Enunwa, and Herndon--if those guys fit your system).
Then you completely revamp the roster via the draft and ignore free agency for a few years until you're ready to grab a "final piece" or two. This team has tried to play it both ways for far too long, often using FA as a means to fill in roster holes left by poor drafting. That's a failing strategy, and I hope this team is finally done with it.
We had our version of scorched earth happen already....when Charley Fucktard Casserly was brought in to hire Bowles and Duff.
We couldn't even start from scratch properly.
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At least our offense won't be ignored this season like it has been the previous decade.
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There are multiple reasons why this is either a bad idea or just plain not possible, but you'll have to wait until I'm on my laptop and not on my phone at the gym.
We had our version of scorched earth happen already....when Charley Fucktard Casserly was brought in to hire Bowles and Duff.
We couldn't even start from scratch properly.
So we're all crystal clear and I'm not sitting here defending a point I never made, I'm not advocating a scorched earth rebuild now. I'm saying that if the Gase and GM-to-be-named-later regime doesn't work out, it's time to clean house.
My hope is that it never comes to that. I want Gase and GM-X to be wildly successful so it's never even a conversation.
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I wouldn't mind seeing that.
Seriously, though. What I see as a scorched earth rebuild is completely cleaning house. Fire all the front office and coaching staff and bring in a GM who then picks his HC. Together, they tear down the roster to only the most vital core players (in the current Jets case, Darnold and Adams for sure, then to a lesser degree guys like the Williams linemen, Anderson, Enunwa, and Herndon--if those guys fit your system).
Then you completely revamp the roster via the draft and ignore free agency for a few years until you're ready to grab a "final piece" or two. This team has tried to play it both ways for far too long, often using FA as a means to fill in roster holes left by poor drafting. That's a failing strategy, and I hope this team is finally done with it.
Your first big problem here is that you have to start the season with a roster of 53 players. It's easy to point to the existing roster and say "he's excrement, he's excrement, don't need him, don't want him, get rid of those four and these six should never have been here in the first place" but you can not reduce your roster to, say 20 players and then expect to fill the holes with better players.
You especially can't do it if your stated strategy is to ignore free agency and focus only on the draft - that works fine if you're the Green Bay Packers and you already have three quarters of an outstanding roster, but it's a luxury exercise that can not logistically be combined with a root and branch tear down. The math just doesn't work.
Even if you could do it, you're not going to keep stars like Darnold and Adams standing around waiting for the rest of the team to catch up. 2017 was our "scorched earth" - we ditched Mangold, Marshall, Harris, Giacomini, Revis, Fitzpatrick, Gilchrist and Decker as well as trading Richardson and Pryor, and we replaced them with scrubs and JAGs so that we could tank the season, stock up with draft picks and get the cornerstone of our offense. This is our rebuild.
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Your first big problem here is that you have to start the season with a roster of 53 players. It's easy to point to the existing roster and say "he's excrement, he's excrement, don't need him, don't want him, get rid of those four and these six should never have been here in the first place" but you can not reduce your roster to, say 20 players and then expect to fill the holes with better players.
You especially can't do it if your stated strategy is to ignore free agency and focus only on the draft - that works fine if you're the Green Bay Packers and you already have three quarters of an outstanding roster, but it's a luxury exercise that can not logistically be combined with a root and branch tear down. The math just doesn't work.
Even if you could do it, you're not going to keep stars like Darnold and Adams standing around waiting for the rest of the team to catch up. 2017 was our "scorched earth" - we ditched Mangold, Marshall, Harris, Giacomini, Revis, Fitzpatrick, Gilchrist and Decker as well as trading Richardson and Pryor, and we replaced them with scrubs and JAGs so that we could tank the season, stock up with draft picks and get the cornerstone of our offense. This is our rebuild.
I mean, I literally went out of my way 17 minutes before you wrote this to ensure that what I posted earlier wasn't interpreted as I wanted to scorch the earth now. But whatever.
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I mean, I literally went out of my way 17 minutes before you wrote this to ensure that what I posted earlier wasn't interpreted as I wanted to scorch the earth now. But whatever.
You also literally said
If it doesn't work out, this team will need a true scorched earth rebuild anyway. So Johnson needs to go all in with the choices he's already made. Power play or not, this is Gase's team now.
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If the combination of Gase and whoever is hired as GM doesn't work out, they should both be fired and the scouting department cleaned out. The next GM should be given full autonomy to bring in his own staff, hire his own coach, and cut anyone on the roster not named Sam or Jamal.
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What I see as a scorched earth rebuild is completely cleaning house. Fire all the front office and coaching staff and bring in a GM who then picks his HC. Together, they tear down the roster to only the most vital core players (in the current Jets case, Darnold and Adams for sure, then to a lesser degree guys like the Williams linemen, Anderson, Enunwa, and Herndon--if those guys fit your system).
Then you completely revamp the roster via the draft and ignore free agency for a few years until you're ready to grab a "final piece" or two. This team has tried to play it both ways for far too long, often using FA as a means to fill in roster holes left by poor drafting. That's a failing strategy, and I hope this team is finally done with it.
I'm explaining why what you said you wanted and would do doesn't make sense and probably can't be done. I'm sorry if in the two hours since you said those things you changed your mind and decided that you wanted something else completely not like the thing you previously said that you wanted.
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You also literally said
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I'm explaining why what you said you wanted and would do doesn't make sense and probably can't be done. I'm sorry if in the two hours since you said those things you changed your mind and decided that you wanted something else completely not like the thing you previously said that you wanted.
You're freaking fatiguing.
How are the two things contradictory?
If things don't work out with Gase and GM-with-no-name, then I want a complete scorched earth rebuild. In that case, I would want everyone fired from the front office, including all the scouts. I would want the process to then consist of hiring a GM who then hand-picks his own head coach and scouting staff that all agree with whatever his vision for the roster is. Then, I would want that GM to strip out any parts of the roster that he doesn't believe fit within his vision, other than the most vital players, including and especially Sam Darnold and Jamal Adams who should be excellent players in anyone's system. If that means there will be a bunch of UDFA JAGs comprising most of the roster for 2 years after that, then so be it.
But I don't ever want it to come to that. I don't want a scorched earth rebuild because I want Adam Gase and GM John Doe to be overwhelmingly successful. This is exactly why I strongly advocated removing both Bowles and Maccagnan at the end of the season. Because if this new regime fails, Sam's entire rookie contract is shot before the team ever plays a game in January.
The issue right now is that I want the GM's vision to align with Gase's rather than the other way around (which I feel is the more ideal way). But again, Johnson already spilled the milk, so I'm hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.
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You're freaking fatiguing.
How are the two things contradictory?
If things don't work out with Gase and GM-with-no-name, then I want a complete scorched earth rebuild. In that case, I would want everyone fired from the front office, including all the scouts. I would want the process to then consist of hiring a GM who then hand-picks his own head coach and scouting staff that all agree with whatever his vision for the roster is. Then, I would want that GM to strip out any parts of the roster that he doesn't believe fit within his vision, other than the most vital players, including and especially Sam Darnold and Jamal Adams who should be excellent players in anyone's system. If that means there will be a bunch of UDFA JAGs comprising most of the roster for 2 years after that, then so be it.
But I don't ever want it to come to that. I don't want a scorched earth rebuild because I want Adam Gase and GM John Doe to be overwhelmingly successful. This is exactly why I strongly advocated removing both Bowles and Maccagnan at the end of the season. Because if this new regime fails, Sam's entire rookie contract is shot before the team ever plays a game in January.
The issue right now is that I want the GM's vision to align with Gase's rather than the other way around (which I feel is the more ideal way). But again, Johnson already spilled the milk, so I'm hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.
So, what you're saying is that when Gase and his yes man have run the franchise even further into the ground in a couple of years' time, you want the Johnsons to fire them both and hire a new GM to do the job properly in the same way the entire rest of the league does. Good. I agree.
That's not a "scorched earth rebuild", that's fixing the stupid freaking mistakes you made in 2019. Which, by the way, they could fix in 2019 if they weren't so dumb.
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Who'd they cut? Wilkerson? I'll reserve my anger for someone worth the worry.
They didn't clear any cap. Contracts had been designed to create that room in anticipation of that free agent class--specifically Kirk Cousins.
And they didn't tank. They sucked. Part of that was poor roster management, and part of that was terrible coaching. Tanking is purposely sabotaging your team with the intention of losing. The last regime made no such effort, they just weren't any good at winning.
This team has not scorched earth since at least Mangini. I honestly can't remember whether he and Tannenbaum did or not, but certainly, no regime since has done it.
They cut everyone making more than $5 an hour, left the cap space open, and started Josh McCown of the 3-207 career record at QB. Short of telling the fans "we'll see you next year" on the promos it was about as blatant a tank as you could get away with.
Regarding Mangini and Tannenbaum, they took over a roster of guys who were old and/or leaving, with a QB that nobody knew if he'd ever come back. So they didn't have to tear it down, it was done for them. They just had to build it up, which they did, at least for a while.
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the freak is this nonsense
the jets were basically the definition of a tanking team
Josh McCown played a little too well and it cost an extra 2nd rounder or 2 to draft Darnold.
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the rebuild also worked nearly perfectly outside of the first notable FA expenditure on the market's best corner not working out well, at least in year one
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The Jets, where we discuss our future tank while the dumpster fire from our last tank is still smoldering
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The Jets, where we discuss our future tank while the dumpster fire from our last tank is still smoldering
We need to tank for Joe Douglas
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The #Jets added a 5th name to their GM search: NYJ has put a request in for #Saints Director of Pro Scouting Terry Fontenot, sources say. Under-the-radar, but Fontenot has a great reputation and along with Sean Payton & Jeff Ireland, has helped NO drastically improve its roster.
Rap
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The Saints have drafted well over the last few years. I'm glad the Jets are finally looking in the right places.
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So, what you're saying is that when Gase and his yes man have run the franchise even further into the ground in a couple of years' time, you want the Johnsons to fire them both and hire a new GM to do the job properly in the same way the entire rest of the league does. Good. I agree.
That's not a "scorched earth rebuild", that's fixing the stupid freaking mistakes you made in 2019. Which, by the way, they could fix in 2019 if they weren't so dumb.
My recollection of that offseason wasn't that good. It was a lot more of a rebuild than I remembered. My mistake.
That said, there has still been too much carryover from one regime to the next. I realized yesterday it goes back further than Mangini, because the carryovers started with Terry Bradway being retained after he should've been fired. Macc and Bowles should've been a clean start, but they went with that stupid initial "working rebuild" nonsense.
So yeah, what I want--assuming things don't work out with Gase and the GM hire--is that the Johnsons fire everyone and let the next GM hire his own coach and make all of his own personnel decisions based on nothing but his own vision.
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So yeah, what I want--assuming things don't work out with Gase and the GM hire--is that the Johnsons fire everyone and let the next GM hire his own coach and make all of his own personnel decisions based on nothing but his own vision.
Seems to me that the best way to fix it, and fix it now, is to conduct the current GM hiring process on the basis that the GM will have full power, that Gase will report to him, and that the GM will have full power over not just the roster but also over Gase who will report directly to the GM and no one else.
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My recollection of that offseason wasn't that good. It was a lot more of a rebuild than I remembered. My mistake.
That said, there has still been too much carryover from one regime to the next. I realized yesterday it goes back further than Mangini, because the carryovers started with Terry Bradway being retained after he should've been fired. Macc and Bowles should've been a clean start, but they went with that stupid initial "working rebuild" nonsense.
So yeah, what I want--assuming things don't work out with Gase and the GM hire--is that the Johnsons fire everyone and let the next GM hire his own coach and make all of his own personnel decisions based on nothing but his own vision.
The carryovers ended when both Idzik and Rex were canned, and we hired more incompetence.
Technically, we're starting over this year. Gase and our future GM will have been hired during the same offseason, just at different times....and with a potentially better roster.
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Seems to me that the best way to fix it, and fix it now, is to conduct the current GM hiring process on the basis that the GM will have full power, that Gase will report to him, and that the GM will have full power over not just the roster but also over Gase who will report directly to the GM and no one else.
You know my feelings on the reporting structure of this team. We also know this isn't changing while the Johnsons are still in power.
So the best way to fix it, is to hire bright and competent candidates for the HC and GM positions. Whether we've reached that apex this time around remains to be seen.
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You know my feelings on the reporting structure of this team. We also know this isn't changing while the Johnsons are still in power.
So the best way to fix it, is to hire bright and competent candidates for the HC and GM positions. Whether we've reached that apex this time around remains to be seen.
If Gase is bright and competent he'll have no problem with a change of reporting structure.
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Seems to me that the best way to fix it, and fix it now, is to conduct the current GM hiring process on the basis that the GM will have full power, that Gase will report to him, and that the GM will have full power over not just the roster but also over Gase who will report directly to the GM and no one else.
But does that fix things? Certainly, setting the structure up to mirror what every other organization does is better than the separate-but-equal nonsense route this team has again taken, but it doesn't solve the problem that the new GM didn't get to pick his head coach.
It also doesn't do any good in terms of pissing off Gase, who isn't the sport's best model employee to begin with.
Again, my preference at this point is that they hire someone whose vision already mirrors Gase's and hope they work well together. I'm no fan of Gase at all, but I really hope that in 24 months I'm here saying "I've never been so happy to be wrong" about him.
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If Gase is bright and competent he'll have no problem with a change of reporting structure.
Probably not
But you and I know that’s a moot point. Since it’s the Johnsons’ who are responsible for that policy in the first place.
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On another note...Florio is reporting Joe Douglas will interview this weekend.
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The Saints have drafted well over the last few years. I'm glad the Jets are finally looking in the right places.
This isn't a criticism of you, but personally, I don't see how any of us can possibly know who the best candidates are. Everyone says Joe Douglas is best. I'll take their word for it. Just because the Saints "drafted well," doesn't mean this guy has any idea what he's doing. At the same time, the best candidate may be stuck in a place like Arizona or Tampa Bay, but the GM that the candidate reports to consistently makes the wrong decisions.
I hope whoever we hire is competent and can do a great job. Douglas seems to be the guy everyone in NFL media thinks is best, so I'll agree with that and hope for him. But I have no idea if Douglas or George Paton or Champ Kind or this dude from the Saints is the best candidate. At least with head coaches, we can see their playcalling and more direct results.
Let's just hope Christopher Johnson lucks into the right candidate who wants to work with Darnold.
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This isn't a criticism of you, but personally, I don't see how any of us can possibly know who the best candidates are. Everyone says Joe Douglas is best. I'll take their word for it. Just because the Saints "drafted well," doesn't mean this guy has any idea what he's doing. At the same time, the best candidate may be stuck in a place like Arizona or Tampa Bay, but the GM that the candidate reports to consistently makes the wrong decisions.
I hope whoever we hire is competent and can do a great job. Douglas seems to be the guy everyone in NFL media thinks is best, so I'll agree with that and hope for him. But I have no idea if Douglas or George Paton or Champ Kind or this dude from the Saints is the best candidate. At least with head coaches, we can see their playcalling and more direct results.
Let's just hope Christopher Johnson lucks into the right candidate who wants to work with Darnold.
I doubt he's going to have a problem finding someone who wants to work with Darnold. The question is whether they'll willingly work with Gase, and under what conditions?
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The Saints have drafted well over the last few years. I'm glad the Jets are finally looking in the right places.
According to Saints fans, the quality of their drafting improved drastically with the arrival of Jeff Ireland. Yes, that Jeff Ireland.
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It's way too results-oriented of an outlook. You could say the same thing about hiring Idzik out of Seattle when we did, that their results were good, but he sucked and the Seahawks haven't been particularly good drafters since around 2013 anyway. Hire the person with the best outlook, plan, and cohesion with Gase. I couldn't care less where that person currently works, because in the NFL this stuff is heavily prone to fluctuation and has a decent basis on which scouts are within the organization anyway.
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According to Saints fans, the quality of their drafting improved drastically with the arrival of Jeff Ireland. Yes, that Jeff Ireland.
Well yeah they were finally able to screen out whoresons.
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One of the biggest positives to hiring Maccagnan that was floated around was the Texan’s recent track record of success in the draft
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#Vikings assistant GM George Paton turned down the #Jets request to interview him, sources tell me and @ChadGraff.
He did the same the two other times the Jets asked to chat.
Hughes
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Hughes
Antoine Winfield has his ear.
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”I had been led to believe all along that it would be very tough to pry Joe Douglas away from the Eagles, until last night. Someone I trust told me word is Douglas is a done deal and Jets are just going through the motions interviewing the other candidates. "
- Tony “More Informed Than Manish” Pauline
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Word on the scouting streets is that he wants this job and will most likely be the next GM of the Jets
Matt Miller
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If Jets hire Joe Douglas as next GM, as is widely expected throughout the scouting community, NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah will not be a part of that front office. I'm told. But it is possible another former Ravens exec who later went into media, Phil Savage, could join Douglas
La Canfora
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- Tony “More Informed Than Manish” Pauline
It's going to be interesting to see what the Jets had to give him to get him to go from "hard to pry away" to "done deal."
I'm assuming full roster control is part of it, but I wonder if there was any sort of coaching staff control. If I were someone this team wanted, I'd demand the opportunity to hire my own coach in 3 years or less if it's not working out with Gase.
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It's going to be interesting to see what the Jets had to give him to get him to go from "hard to pry away" to "done deal."
I'm assuming full roster control is part of it, but I wonder if there was any sort of coaching staff control. If I were someone this team wanted, I'd demand the opportunity to hire my own coach in 3 years or less if it's not working out with Gase.
I hope so. For all that I'm wary of anyone that Gase wants, the view of Douglas from around the league seems to be universally positive. If he is given full control of both playing and coaching staffs, including complete authority to hire and fire anyone he chooses, I will consider it a significant step in the right direction.
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La Canfora
interesting. Savage ran the Senior Bowl from 2012 to 2018.
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I hope so. For all that I'm wary of anyone that Gase wants, the view of Douglas from around the league seems to be universally positive. If he is given full control of both playing and coaching staffs, including complete authority to hire and fire anyone he chooses, I will consider it a significant step in the right direction.
I doubt he'll have control over the current coaching staff. I think the structure is probably set in stone right now with separate-but-equal status for Gase and Douglas.
What I'm saying is, I'd demand full control over the hiring and administration of the next coaching staff--assuming it doesn't work out with Gase and his staff. Basically, I'd build in the safety that Maccagnan didn't have.
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I doubt he'll have control over the current coaching staff. I think the structure is probably set in stone right now with separate-but-equal status for Gase and Douglas.
What I'm saying is, I'd demand full control over the hiring and administration of the next coaching staff--assuming it doesn't work out with Gase and his staff. Basically, I'd build in the safety that Maccagnan didn't have.
That wouldn't make any sense, it would simply incentivise the GM to undermine the existing manager to accelerate the empire. If Gase likes and trusts this guy and wants him in the role, then he should have no problem reporting to him.
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That wouldn't make any sense, it would simply incentivise the GM to undermine the existing manager to accelerate the empire. If Gase likes and trusts this guy and wants him in the role, then he should have no problem reporting to him.
Again...Gase isn't the issue. It's Chris/Woody's policy.
It's not like Gase is saying "hey, i'm only reporting to the owner".
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I hope so. For all that I'm wary of anyone that Gase wants, the view of Douglas from around the league seems to be universally positive. If he is given full control of both playing and coaching staffs, including complete authority to hire and fire anyone he chooses, I will consider it a significant step in the right direction.
I agree. On the surface, he's a clear upgrade over Maccagnan and a far better GM prospect than Macc ever was, not to mention Idzik (kind of like Darnold being a better prospect than Sanchez or Geno). I'd be overjoyed with Douglas being announced as GM, hopefully Monday or Tuesday, for xenu's sake.
Unlike Macc or Idzik, Douglas is in that Ballard/ E.Wolf/ G.Paton bucket of A-list, highly-regarded future GM's that need to be pried away from their current gigs. Cream of the crop, as opposed to our past few GMs who were more "cream of whatever is left over after the crop has withered away from severe drought". As JE said, it's an encouraging step in the right direction.
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That wouldn't make any sense, it would simply incentivise the GM to undermine the existing manager to accelerate the empire. If Gase likes and trusts this guy and wants him in the role, then he should have no problem reporting to him.
That's some real Machiavellian thinking.
For all we know, he could be excited to work with Gase. Isn't he one of the people that already has a relationship with Gase? All I'm saying is, I'd want a guarantee that if it doesn't work out, I get the opportunity to hire at least one guy I hand-pick on my own. The incoming guy has the benefit of Manish's article to use as leverage right now too.
I'm hoping all of this is moot anyway. Let's get these guys together and build a freaking champion.
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You can make a guarantee, but I don't know how it could have any teeth.
If we get Douglas, then the team almost certainly has a better front office than it had 12 months ago and 2 months ago. So that's a net positive, even if the way we got there was embarrassing.
Gorilla's post echoes my feelings. While I have no idea how good an executive Douglas is, he seems to be widely respected and an "A-list" candidate compared to what we've had in the past.
Douglas probably wants to make sure he has control of all personnel decisions and not Gase. And that he gets his money.
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I hope Douglas is given the power to bring in any head coach he wants
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I hope Douglas is given the power to bring in any head coach he wants
wat
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I hope Douglas is given the power to bring in any head coach he wants
Lulz
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You can make a guarantee, but I don't know how it could have any teeth.
If we get Douglas, then the team almost certainly has a better front office than it had 12 months ago and 2 months ago. So that's a net positive, even if the way we got there was embarrassing.
Gorilla's post echoes my feelings. While I have no idea how good an executive Douglas is, he seems to be widely respected and an "A-list" candidate compared to what we've had in the past.
Douglas probably wants to make sure he has control of all personnel decisions and not Gase. And that he gets his money.
Grass is always greener on the otherside
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You can make a guarantee, but I don't know how it could have any teeth.
If we get Douglas, then the team almost certainly has a better front office than it had 12 months ago and 2 months ago. So that's a net positive, even if the way we got there was embarrassing.
Gorilla's post echoes my feelings. While I have no idea how good an executive Douglas is, he seems to be widely respected and an "A-list" candidate compared to what we've had in the past.
Douglas probably wants to make sure he has control of all personnel decisions and not Gase. And that he gets his money.
Mac was named executive of the year. It's not like he was regarded as the clown Idzik was. I don't think this is quite as cut and dry of a transition. He has a well thought out meticulous strategy and it just didn't work out.
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Mac was named executive of the year. It's not like he was regarded as the clown Idzik was. I don't think this is quite as cut and dry of a transition. He has a well thought out meticulous strategy and it just didn't work out.
He couldn’t draft his way out of the 1st round.
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Cameras have spotted MBGreen entering the Jets facility Saturday morning.
(https://sl.sbs.com.au/public/image/file/c57402ae-bf5d-446e-a901-7c9e6b54d3e4)
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Haha
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Mac was named executive of the year. It's not like he was regarded as the clown Idzik was. I don't think this is quite as cut and dry of a transition. He has a well thought out meticulous strategy and it just didn't work out.
https://www.profootballwriters.org/on-field-awards/pfwa-executive-of-the-year/
Great list of names here for executive of the year.
Parcells won in 2008 in Miami. They went nowhere after that.
Pioli won in 2010 with KC. He was fired a few years later.
Baalke won in 2011 with SF. He was fired a few years later.
Grigson won in 2012 with Indy. He was fired a few years later.
Dorsey won in 2013 with KC. He was fired a few years later.
Jerry Jones won in 2014 with Dallas. He's Jerry Jones.
Maccagnan won in 2015. He was fired a few years later.
Reggie McKenzie won in 2016 with Oakland. He was fired 2 years later.
Winning executive of the year means nothing. And why is Idzik a clown and not Maccagnan?
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New York Jets announced that they have completed their interview with #Eagles VP of PP Joe Douglas for their GM vacancy today.
Get it done Tanny
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Get it done Tanny
The Doug SZN
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[Jason La Canfora] Every expectation remains that Joe Douglas will be the Jets next GM. Hearing the sides discussing financials over budget for $$ to pay his staff as he reshapes the front office. As long as it doesnt fall apart over that then announcement could come this week
LFG
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LFG
The Johnsons better not lose this over some money
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The Johnsons better not lose this over some money
Agreed.
I'm curious to see who Douglas would bring with him. Apparently the Eagles fanbase is losing their excrement because Douglas may bring some up and comers from the Eagles front office.
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Agreed.
I'm curious to see who Douglas would bring with him. Apparently the Eagles fanbase is losing their excrement because Douglas may bring some up and comers from the Eagles front office.
Given they're not being considered for a top job, that would presumably be at the discretion of the Eagles.
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The Johnsons better not lose this over some money
Give Joe Douglas the bag
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Given they're not being considered for a top job, that would presumably be at the discretion of the Eagles.
only if they're lateral positions being offered. If they're considered promotions, i don't think the Eagles can block.
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only if they're lateral positions being offered. If they're considered promotions, i don't think the Eagles can block.
I thought it was only if they were interviewing for a top job i.e. GM or HC? I could be wrong.
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I thought it was only if they were interviewing for a top job i.e. GM or HC? I could be wrong.
i'm not 100% certain. You could be right.
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i'm not 100% certain. You could be right.
Closest I can find is this:
For employees not in the final year of their contracts, the current team can block an interview for a position that doesn’t entail “(1) the authority over all personnel decisions related to the signing of free agents, the selection of players in the College Draft, trades, terminations, and related decisions, and (2) the responsibility for coordinating other football activities with the Head Coach.”
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/09/saints-deny-dolphins-request-to-interview-ryan-pace/
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Closest I can find is this:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/09/saints-deny-dolphins-request-to-interview-ryan-pace/
huh..interesting.
hopefully the people Douglas is targeting (this guy Cunningham, and i can't remember the other guy) are in their final years of their contracts.
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LFG
Any indication who he could bring in as his HC?
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you're doubling down on a 4
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Any indication who he could bring in as his HC?
Your mom
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They conducted second-interviews with all 4 candidates yesterday. The organization also put it out there that they aren't happy media is reporting that Douglas is the "winner" yet.
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They conducted second-interviews with all 4 candidates yesterday. The organization also put it out there that they aren't happy media is reporting that Douglas is the "winner" yet.
Tell the organization their fanbase isn't happy about not winning a title since 1969 either.
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Tell the organization their fanbase isn't happy about not winning a title since 1969 either.
I've sent word through my sources that MoronButtholeGreen is dissatisfied.
I'll keep you posted if/when they respond.
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I've sent word through my sources that MoronButtholeGreen is dissatisfied.
I'll keep you posted if/when they respond.
they better respond in a timely manner.....or else.
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They conducted second-interviews with all 4 candidates yesterday. The organization also put it out there that they aren't happy media is reporting that Douglas is the "winner" yet.
Manish Mehta is not the organization.
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This Justin Gray clown is one of the saddest members of our fan base.
What an absolute loon.
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Manish Mehta is not the organization.
amen
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Manish Mehta is not the organization.
You're absolutely right, but that doesn't mean people inside the organization aren't upset about it.
It makes sense anyway. It hurts the Jets bargaining position if they're already (secretly) all-in on Douglas. I'm with you in terms of "they better not lose him over money" but they also shouldn't give him overwhelming power if they don't have to. Then again, if he can run things like a competent manager he's already better than ownership, so maybe they should.
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today should be the day to sign a GM.
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today should be the day to sign a GM.
we are the new york jets
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we are the new york jets
J-E-T....you know the rest