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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Johnny English on May 15, 2019, 10:37:24 AM
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Jets have fired GM Mike Maccagnan and VP of Player Personnel Brian Heimerdinger, league sources told @jeffdarlington and me. Maccagnan had two years left on his contract.
Jets are in position to have strong season thanks to Maccagnan and Heimerdinger.
I guess there was smoke to the fire about him and Gase not getting on. Johnson doubling down on his already excrement decisions by making worse ones.
Bring back Woody.
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That’s why bad franchises keep on sucking for eternity.
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Holy excrement it gets worse.
Field Yates @FieldYates
After firing Mike Maccagnan, head coach Adam Gase has been named the Jets interim GM.
freak off.
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Jesus freaking christ. This is the worst heel turn of the week.
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Lmao
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lmao
That's all I can muster
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Eagles’ vice president of player personnel Joe Douglas is close to Jets’ HC Adam Gase and has been discussed in league circles for a while now as the potential GM for the NYJ.
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Jets don’t hire Rhule because he wants his own coaches
Instead let’s just let Gase and his butt buddies run the whole team
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Holy crap! Firing the GM at this point right after he's left his prints on the draft is sort of unusual, no?
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Holy crap! Firing the GM at this point right after he's left his prints on the draft is sort of unusual, no?
Relatively standard now. Even then, making Gase interim GM shows how awful ownership is
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To be honest. I think having a coach/GM is in the best interest for any team wanting to achieve lasting success (Walsh and Belichick come to mind). Just NOT THIS COACH/GM
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Krazee Eyez Killah
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Only the Jets
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We fired a GM that consistently churned out below average results.
The timing is odd, but the decision to fire Maccagnan is not.
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How soon before Gase gets rid of Bell?
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We fired a GM that consistently churned out below average results.
The timing is odd, but the decision to fire Maccagnan is not.
The problem is not the firing but the replacement.
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I told you so.
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But Chris Johnson is such a good owner!
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The problem is not the firing but the replacement.
Johnson is going to hire a new GM.
We don’t know who that will be, but writing on the wall says it will be Joe Douglas from Philadelphia...a very well run organization.
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It seems as though the Jets can never, ever get it right. It's always something....
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Knicks: We tanked for the 1st pick and got the third instead. Back page of all the papers till July baby!
Jets: Hold my beer.
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Johnson is going to hire a new GM.
We don’t know who that will be, but writing on the wall says it will be Joe Douglas from Philadelphia...a very well run organization.
Which means nothing. The Peter Principle is a well proven thing, just look at the Patriots.
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Lmaooooo
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Johnson is going to hire a new GM.
We don’t know who that will be, but writing on the wall says it will be Joe Douglas from Philadelphia...a very well run organization.
I think i posted something about this before the draft.
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welcome back, ya bastard.
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We fired a GM that consistently churned out below average results.
The timing is odd, but the decision to fire Maccagnan is not.
Bingo
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The problem is not the firing but the replacement.
I don't believe he's the permanent replacement.
Then again...this is the Jets we're talking about.
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Knicks: We tanked for the 1st pick and got the third instead. Back page of all the papers till July baby!
Jets: Hold my beer.
lol. good NY sports fans deserve much, much more than this.
at least you have the yankees.
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Bingo
You're both wrong. Putting a Gase yes man in charge is a monumentally stupid decision, one almost as bad as hiring him in the first place.
I hate Gase. I also hate Gregg Williams. I also hate Gase's idiot lackey OC. Basically, I despise our entire coaching staff before we've even kicked or thrown a ball under them, and now I'm going to hate our GM by association with that shower of cunts and lunatics.
Seriously, freak this franchise. We finally get a guy who looks like he could be our franchise QB, and we surround him with these shitheads.
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Jets don’t hire Rhule because he wants his own coaches
Instead let’s just let Gase and his butt buddies run the whole team
No this was a good hire because Jets
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you have to believe the 'interim' title is exactly what it is/means. just a placeholder for the spot until the actual replacement is officially hired, which, hopefully, is soon.
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Oh wait, don't let's forget hiring a run game co-ordinator who made his name as a QB coach and who as an OC had one of the most insipid and useless running games in the league.
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You're both wrong. Putting a Gase yes man in charge is a monumentally stupid decision, one almost as bad as hiring him in the first place.
I hate Gase. I also hate Gregg Williams. I also hate Gase's idiot lackey OC. Basically, I despise our entire coaching staff before we've even kicked or thrown a ball under them, and now I'm going to hate our GM by association with that shower of cunts and lunatics.
Seriously, freak this franchise. We finally get a guy who looks like he could be our franchise QB, and we surround him with these shitheads.
Face it...you're never gonna get your way.
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Face it...you're never gonna get your way.
Well, I am. Three seasons from now when we've won maybe 15 games in total, we tear the whole freaking thing down and start over once more, we've fucked up Sam's development and the whole wretched mess continues.
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Dowell Loggains for VP of Player Personnel
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Well, I am. Three seasons from now when we've won maybe 15 games in total, we tear the whole freaking thing down and start over once more, we've fucked up Sam's development and the whole wretched mess continues.
I'm hoping we go after Douglass from the Eagles...would be a solid hire.
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Oh, and now there's a rumour that Gase never wanted Bell. freak me. This franchise is a freaking shambles.
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
One disagreement between Adam Gase and Mike Maccagnan/Christopher Johnson...
Gase absolutely did not want to sign Le’Veon Bell, per sources. In fact, he made it clear that he didn’t want to spend a lot of money on any running back.
And before you say "yeah but Manish", he may be a rooster but he's right more often than most care to admit.
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You're both wrong. Putting a Gase yes man in charge is a monumentally stupid decision, one almost as bad as hiring him in the first place.
I hate Gase. I also hate Gregg Williams. I also hate Gase's idiot lackey OC. Basically, I despise our entire coaching staff before we've even kicked or thrown a ball under them, and now I'm going to hate our GM by association with that shower of cunts and lunatics.
Seriously, freak this franchise. We finally get a guy who looks like he could be our franchise QB, and we surround him with these shitheads.
THIS X 1000
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This freaking team... ;D ;D
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If our GM deserved to get fired, why did we let him run a monumentally important free agency and draft?
I wanted him fired after the season with the coach, like a normal team does.
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re: Bell - Gase needs to STFU and just coach the freaking team. Hated the hire from jump street and he hasn't proved me wrong.
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If our GM deserved to get fired, why did we let him run a monumentally important free agency and draft?
I wanted him fired after the season with the coach, like a normal team does.
#BecauseJets
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I guess Gase really wanted roster control. I knew it was odd when he took the job without having final say on players.....after having full autonomy in Miami.
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Oh, and now there's a rumour that Gase never wanted Bell. freak me. This franchise is a freaking shambles.
And before you say "yeah but Manish", he may be a rooster but he's right more often than most care to admit.
Our Head Coach and GM thinks that LeVeon Bell and CJ Mosley are overpaid and didn’t deserve the contracts they got. That should go over just great in the locker room.
This is why I didn’t want to hire a dickhead that doesn’t get along with players.
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If our GM deserved to get fired, why did we let him run a monumentally important free agency and draft?
I wanted him fired after the season with the coach, like a normal team does.
Because any new GM coming in wouldn't know the roster (they'd know the players but not things like the locker room dynamic and player personalities) and they would be running FA and the draft with the previous guy's scouts and board. For all that I think that this is a truly dismal decision on the part of the Jets, the one thing that is OK about it is that this is the right time to replace a GM.
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This freaking team... ;D ;D
Yep, this is my initial reaction.
Like most, the dishonesty is the most annoying part; it's not like I was a huge Maccagnan fan.
So theyre putting all their eggs in the Gase Gang basket. Douglas is a fine GM choice, no doubt, but the issue is that gase has done little to nothing to receive this power and trust. If Douglas is the guy, get him in here like TODAY.
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the major worrisome thing about all of this is that such a bad/shitty/unproven HC has been able to come in and wield as much influence over things as he has. he's done nothing to deserve this sort of power/influence
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Yep, this is my initial reaction.
Like most, the dishonesty is the most annoying part; it's not like I was a huge Maccagnan fan.
So theyre putting all their eggs in the Gase Gang basket. Douglas is a fine GM choice, no doubt, but the issue is that gase has done little to nothing to receive this power and trust. If Douglas is the guy, get him in here like TODAY.
this is essentially where i'm at. It's surprising, but this is how the Jets roll.
If you guys want real change, one of you will have to assassinate Christopher/Woody Johnson.
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the major worrisome thing about all of this is that such a bad/shitty/unproven HC has been able to come in and wield as much influence over things as he has. he's done nothing to deserve this sort of power/influence
Peyton Manning made another phone call to the Johnsons.
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If our GM deserved to get fired, why did we let him run a monumentally important free agency and draft?
I wanted him fired after the season with the coach, like a normal team does.
Exactly, that is how non-inept, clear-vision franchises run things.
The team evidently was comfortable giving Macc another season. The only difference is Gase. All the reports of discord between him and macc were true, and Gase won the power struggle. He has a ton to prove he's earned that power and voice.
Nobody is crying over Maccagnan. The eye-rolling and annoyance comes from Gase being the one to lead to Macc's oddly timed dismissal.
Let's get Douglas in here ASAP, get everyone on the same page, and move ahead in some sort of semblance of a stable franchise.
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Yep, this is my initial reaction.
Like most, the dishonesty is the most annoying part; it's not like I was a huge Maccagnan fan.
So theyre putting all their eggs in the Gase Gang basket. Douglas is a fine GM choice, no doubt, but the issue is that gase has done little to nothing to receive this power and trust. If Douglas is the guy, get him in here like TODAY.
Yup, it's not like I'm the biggest Duff advocate either, but the timing and all the circumstances just feel iffy, like you said.
It's just commonplace with the Jets that they seem to take one step forward followed with two steps back.
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Just months after NFLN Draft Analyst Mike Mayock took the Raiders’ GM job, his replacement Daniel Jeremiah is under serious consideration for a prominent front-office position with the NY Jets, per sources. NFLN Draft Analyst job has become breeding ground for front-office jobs.
- Schefter
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Please happen Please happen Please happen Please happen Please happen Please happen
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The thing is that we can’t seem to do anything right. We had Tanny, who assembled a good team but at an enormous cost. Then Idzik, who sucked terribly. Then Duff, who was below average. Who really believes we will get anything right this time?
Then our HCs. We had Mangini who was clever but such a bad person that he ended being universally despised. Then Rex who was a great guy but that was his demise. Then Bowles, who just plainly sucked. Now Gase, who doesn’t seem to offer much hope.
What arguments do we have to think than anything will change this time around.
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Just months after NFLN Draft Analyst Mike Mayock took the Raiders’ GM job, his replacement Daniel Jeremiah is under serious consideration for a prominent front-office position with the NY Jets, per sources. NFLN Draft Analyst job has become breeding ground for front-office jobs.
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You've got to be freaking kidding me
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Also worth noting that Eagles’ vice president of player personnel Joe Douglas is close friends with NFLN Draft Analyst Daniel Jeremiah. A potential package deal for the Jets.
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Don’t put this out there just to crush all of my dreams
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Just months after NFLN Draft Analyst Mike Mayock took the Raiders’ GM job, his replacement Daniel Jeremiah is under serious consideration for a prominent front-office position with the NY Jets, per sources. NFLN Draft Analyst job has become breeding ground for front-office jobs.
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I would sign off on this
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Also worth noting that Eagles’ vice president of player personnel Joe Douglas is close friends with NFLN Draft Analyst Daniel Jeremiah. A potential package deal for the Jets.
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Don’t put this out there just to crush all of my dreams
do it
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The thing is that we can’t seem to do anything right. We had Tanny, who assembled a good team but at an enormous cost. Then Idzik, who sucked terribly. Then Duff, who was below average. Who really believes we will get anything right this time?
Then our HCs. We had Mangini who was clever but such a bad person that he ended being universally despised. Then Rex who was a great guy but that was his demise. Then Bowles, who just plainly sucked. Now Gase, who doesn’t seem to offer much hope.
What arguments do we have to think than anything will change this time around.
Duff could never wash the Charley Casserly stank off himself.
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On the plus side to all this shambles, we'll definitely get Hard Knocks next summer.
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Rapoport says Champ Kelly, Asst. Dir. Player Personnel for Chicago is a candidate
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i think i'd be on board with douglas/DJ lol
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And here i thought we'd have nothing Jets related to talk about after the draft.
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You're both wrong. Putting a Gase yes man in charge is a monumentally stupid decision, one almost as bad as hiring him in the first place.
I hate Gase. I also hate Gregg Williams. I also hate Gase's idiot lackey OC. Basically, I despise our entire coaching staff before we've even kicked or thrown a ball under them, and now I'm going to hate our GM by association with that shower of cunts and lunatics.
Seriously, freak this franchise. We finally get a guy who looks like he could be our franchise QB, and we surround him with these shitheads.
This
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"I will start a search for our new General Manager immediately. In the interim, Coach Gase will be the acting general manager. I would like to thank Mike for his time and efforts during his tenure, and I wish only the best for him and his wife Betty." - Christopher Johnson
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-fire-general-manager-mike-maccagnan-name-first-year-coach-adam-gase-acting-gm/
Gase isn't the permanent GM. You guys can stop whining anytime.
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i'm on board with a lot of JE's post with regards to our coaching staff. not a fan of gase or his lackey samwise gamgee. i am okay with williams even though he can be a prick.
i'm not sure douglas would be a 'yes' man. by all accounts he is highly regarded around the league for his knowledge/work. it's a plus that he gets along well with the HC, but he'd be getting this job based on merit, and any self respecting man/worker would not come on board or even advance as far as they have if they were just 'yes men'.
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Gase isn't the permanent GM. You guys can stop whining anytime.
freak it, give the job to Loggains. If we're just going to hire Gase's handpicked yes man anyway to stop him from falling out with someone who might actually have the balls to stand up to him, we might as well save the wages and give the job to one who's already on the staff.
It's not too late to fire Gase and all his shitty coaches now and start again, because it wouldn't make us any less dysfunctional than we are right now. Who the freak ever heard of a new HC with a shitty track record and who hasn't yet met half of his roster make and win a power play to remove a GM? This is insanity.
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Agreed, let the new GM fire Gase
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freak it, give the job to Loggains. If we're just going to hire Gase's handpicked yes man anyway to stop him from falling out with someone who might actually have the balls to stand up to him, we might as well save the wages and give it one who's already on the staff.
It's not too late to fire Gase and all his shitty coaches now and start again, because it wouldn't make us any less dysfunctional than we are right now. Who the freak ever heard of a new HC with a shitty track record and who hasn't yet met half of his roster make and win a power play to remove a GM? This is insanity.
Gase isn't going anywhere until this team tanks under his watch. You know this.
If you want to be miserable about it, that's your choice.
After being miserable over Bowles for the last 4 years....I would advise against doing that.
Let Gase fail first, then light the torch.
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Agreed, let the new GM fire Gase
That would be a masterstroke.
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I've defended myself for months around here for saying Maccagnan should've been fired at the end of the season. Now people are saying this isn't a bad move because he wasn't good anyway?
I've been defending my stance that Gase is an poopchute who is going to wreck this franchise since the hiring. And one of the things I was harping on was his bullshit behavior surrounding free agency/the draft because he clearly didn't agree with the front office.
I've been saying since Maccagnan was retained, and got louder once Gase was hired, the entire rookie contract for Darnold is going to be wasted with ineptitude in the FO and coaching staff.
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i think i'd be on board with douglas/DJ lol
A lot of us would be so it'll never happen.
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So what move do you think it was that made Gase go straight to the Johnsons and demand Duff get shitcanned?
I assume it had to be after the draft. Was it standing pat and taking Williams over a guy like Oliver? Was it not trading down for pennies on the dollar? Was it taking Edgoa over Hakeem Butler? Was it really signing Lev Bell and Mosely?
Who the hell knows but what the freak are we doing as a franchise? That’s all any jets fan wants to know
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https://mobile.twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1128705653021839360
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A lot of us would be so it'll never happen.
I'll counter this with we all wanted Darnold to fall into our laps...and it happened.
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A lot of us would be so it'll never happen.
Why? The Eagles might have improved their roster but they're hardly a dynasty; in Douglas's time there they've managed to go 7-9, 13-3 (SB), 9-7. He's also never been a GM, I thought everyone was all over the whole hiring rookies thing? Why are we fine with it now because he happens to be a drinking buddy of the head coach?
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Why? The Eagles might have improved their roster but they're hardly a dynasty; in Douglas's time there they've managed to go 7-9, 13-3 (SB), 9-7. He's also never been a GM, I thought everyone was all over the whole hiring rookies thing? Why are we fine with it now because he happens to be a drinking buddy of the head coach?
I think hiring a rookie GM is different than hiring a HC. Way more difficult to be fired as a good GM with experience than as a good HC with experience.
Even then, I don't want Gase's friends as GM. The Johnsons do not know how to run an organization
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Guy got fired for not hitting on enough 3rd rounders. Pretty crazy.
The hard part is over anyway. Anyone could take the reigns at this point.
Whether the Jets suck or not depends on if Gase sucks or not.
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Daniel Jeremiah's job would be to pick the 2020 first rounder and sign the free agents Gase wants next year.
Not a lot of savvy required.
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Rapoport says Champ Kelly, Asst. Dir. Player Personnel for Chicago is a candidate
Rooney Rule
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Why? The Eagles might have improved their roster but they're hardly a dynasty; in Douglas's time there they've managed to go 7-9, 13-3 (SB), 9-7. He's also never been a GM, I thought everyone was all over the whole hiring rookies thing? Why are we fine with it now because he happens to be a drinking buddy of the head coach?
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2016/05/11/eagles-hire-player-personnel-director/84248304/
Douglas spent 15 years in the Ravens scouting dept before being promoted to the Bears Director of College Scouting. Then the Eagles hired him to be their Director of Player Personnel. He's got a ton of player evaluation and scouting experience.
I'm pretty sure he brings a little more to the table than being someone's drinking buddy.
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Lmaooooo
I was kidding when I said we should put you in charge.
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I was kidding when I said we should put you in charge.
too late
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the Giants twitter fanbase thinks firing Macc is more retarded than what Gettleman has done to the Giants.
that's cute.
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the Giants twitter fanbase thinks firing Macc is more retarded than what Gettleman has done to the Giants.
that's cute.
macc was underwhelming but gettleman is a menace. there is no other way to describe somebody like him lol, he is a menace.
fvcking over the giants organization and is being totally self-righteous about it. everybody is dumber than him
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If our GM deserved to get fired, why did we let him run a monumentally important free agency and draft?
I wanted him fired after the season with the coach, like a normal team does.
This makes no sense
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the major worrisome thing about all of this is that such a bad/shitty/unproven HC has been able to come in and wield as much influence over things as he has. he's done nothing to deserve this sort of power/influence
I guess the one good thing about this is a unified approach between GM and coach which we haven't seen... ever
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https://www.delawareonline.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2016/05/11/eagles-hire-player-personnel-director/84248304/
Douglas spent 15 years in the Ravens scouting dept before being promoted to the Bears Director of College Scouting. Then the Eagles hired him to be their Director of Player Personnel. He's got a ton of player evaluation and scouting experience.
I'm pretty sure he brings a little more to the table than being someone's drinking buddy.
Rex Ryan was the Ravens' DC for nine years, winning the Super Bowl with them, before being given the job as our HC, and you never pass up an opportunity to tell us how awful he was at it.
Mike Maccagnan came from 14 years with the Texans with a great reputation as a scout and you're dancing on his grave.
The Peter Principle is real. I give it 18 months maximum before you're telling anyone who'll listen how we should fire [insert name of our next GM here] and how it obviously should have been [insert name of someone else's successful GM] if they'd only not been so stupid.
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Rex Ryan was the Ravens' DC for nine years, winning the Super Bowl with them, before being given the job as our HC, and you never pass up an opportunity to tell us how awful he was at it.
Mike Maccagnan came from 14 years with the Texans with a great reputation as a scout and you're dancing on his grave.
The Peter Principle is real. I give it 18 months maximum before you're telling anyone who'll listen how we should fire [insert name of our next GM here] and how it obviously should have been [insert name of someone else's successful GM] if they'd only not been so stupid.
Yes, i prefer to wait and see what materializes before I start to formulate an opinion.
Your way is much better....using a crystal ball and making baseless assumptions. Or in the case of Todd Bowles...watching him fail like a retard while continuing to support him.
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The fact JE hates every inch of this situation will most likely result in us making the playoffs this year.
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#firegase
#sellupjohnson
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Because any new GM coming in wouldn't know the roster (they'd know the players but not things like the locker room dynamic and player personalities) and they would be running FA and the draft with the previous guy's scouts and board. For all that I think that this is a truly dismal decision on the part of the Jets, the one thing that is OK about it is that this is the right time to replace a GM.
No it isn't. It's the right time to replace a scouting department. It's an absurd time to replace a GM - the next man up has to make due with expensive, multi-year contracts for players he might not even want on the team. I couldn't imagine a less inviting environment for a potential general manager than to have all the pressure to perform well without any means of bringing in personnel of your choosing through free agency or draft.
Oh wait, yes I could: Adam Gase is here, and he has more clout than you from day one.
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#firegase
#sellupjohnson
I told you earlier in this thread....you better be prepared to assassinate the Johnsons for real change to happen.
And given your stance on firearms, i think you better get ready for the long haul with this regime. :)
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If our GM deserved to get fired, why did we let him run a monumentally important free agency and draft?
I wanted him fired after the season with the coach, like a normal team does.
I'm either way with the move itself but it seems like we never have a plan. Now we're going to look for someone? How about see how the team does that we just put together and then decide?
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Does this make the Bills the best run NY franchise n
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Like everything else I’ll let this play out before judging it. Everyone’s losing their minds but I don’t think it’s terrible overall. Timing is a bit stupid considering the draft and free agency but not the end of the world.
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Like everything else I’ll let this play out before judging it. Everyone’s losing their minds but I don’t think it’s terrible overall. Timing is a bit stupid considering the draft and free agency but not the end of the world.
Correct
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Like everything else I’ll let this play out before judging it. Everyone’s losing their minds but I don’t think it’s terrible overall. Timing is a bit stupid considering the draft and free agency but not the end of the world.
The biggest issue with this
Is we just let Mac hire a new HC and then immediately fired him before the season started.
Why the freak would anyone think it's a good idea to hire a HC then go out and find a GM to pair up with him?
If this was some legendary HC maybe I get it, but you're literally building your GM spot around Adam freaking Gase. Which to me is absurdity and idiotic.
You want to switch GMs, you go find the best freaking guy available then let him bring on the staff he wants
This is like the jerkoffy bullshit with Rex and Idzik, except this is way worse in my opinion
Unless we bring in a new GM and he immediately replaces Gase (or within a year) , then this bothers me way less
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we just let Mac hire a new HC
I keep seeing this.
Mac didn't hire the head coach. He had about as much say in hiring the Jets new head coach as Christopher Johnson's barista.
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That's a good point. This is Rex/Idzik part 2, but worse because this was unbelievably poor timing.
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I keep seeing this.
Mac didn't hire the head coach. He had about as much say in hiring the Jets new head coach as Christopher Johnson's barista.
Yeah, I've even seen media people saying it. I'm pretty sure Maccagnan had as much to do with hiring Gase as he did Bowles.
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I keep seeing this.
Mac didn't hire the head coach. He had about as much say in hiring the Jets new head coach as Christopher Johnson's barista.
Then Chris Johnson should be fired.
Regardless, you don't go out and get a freaking GM to absorb your HC, especially one who hasn't shown he can be successful in this league as a HC
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All the best organizations in the NFL have the GM and HC completely separated and ignore them like they're completed unconnected roles, right guys?
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so gase has not liked a single player we've acquired this offseason. and he didnt like the gm.
yes yes, lets give this man and whatever gase approved gm the reigns, this will surely work out well. it worked out well every other time its happened, and its worked well for gase before. lets do it.
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so gase has not liked a single player we've acquired this offseason. and he didnt like the gm.
yes yes, lets give this man and whatever gase approved gm the reigns, this will surely work out well. it worked out well every other time its happened, and its worked well for gase before. lets do it.
No but you're just a whiner and you haven't given him a chance yet and he was actually quite good in Miami and you just don't understand.
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Two interesting rumors,
rift between duff and singer
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/bp073n/video_anita_marks_ive_been_able_to_make_some/
Duff was a hoo-ha
https://mobile.twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1128800783502389248?s=21
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No but you're just a whiner and you haven't given him a chance yet and he was actually quite good in Miami and you just don't understand.
No one said he was quite good in Miami.
The rest of the post is correct
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A known arsonist is emptying gasoline cans all over the Jets front office.
"Hmm, let's wait and see where he goes with this."
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A known arsonist is emptying gasoline cans all over the Jets front office.
"Hmm, let's wait and see where he goes with this."
He’s an interim GM...probably for a few more weeks.
Ohhh noooz
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Two interesting rumors,
rift between duff and singer
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/bp073n/video_anita_marks_ive_been_able_to_make_some/
NO IDEA Macc was going to get fired this morning, but ready to make trades by this afternoon.
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NO IDEA Macc was going to get fired this morning, but ready to make trades by this afternoon.
Sounds like we've been in talks with Kansas City for a while now, but the previous front office wanted a 5th and KC wouldn't budge.
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Lots of stuff floating around about Heimerdinger leaking the Maccagnan vs. Gase stuff in an attempt to make a power play of his own.
Have to think with Connor Hughes and Manish Mehta so butthurt about all of this, Dinger was probably one of their inside sources.
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Gase seems like an alpha personality. Maccagnan isn't. Gase isn't used to someone picking the players above him, and Maccagnan.
Who knows what the truth is. Gase was definitely involved in this to some degree, whether he made a plea to ownership that Maccagnan was incompetent, or whether he just was a little too loud about things he disagreed with.
If Gase and Maccagnan can't work together, better to make the move now than a different time. That's the simplest rational explanation for what happened. But it's a terrible look, it puts Gase and our big FA signings at odds, and it means all the picks and FAs we just signed belong to the "old" GM.
It's better this move was made now rather than at the end of the year, but it's still a disaster. Are we really hiring the best candidates now, or just the ones that already know Gase? And will people want to come here right now? If this season spirals out of control, maybe Gase gets fired, too.
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https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1128978708419796992
https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/1128978633484328960
full pod with Lombardi and Adnan Virk https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gm-shuffle-with-michael-lombardi-and-adnan-virk/id1458884463#episodeGuid=f3617a0c-7762-11e9-9644-cfcd917a4255
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https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1128978708419796992
https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/1128978633484328960
full pod with Lombardi and Adnan Virk https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-gm-shuffle-with-michael-lombardi-and-adnan-virk/id1458884463#episodeGuid=f3617a0c-7762-11e9-9644-cfcd917a4255
Lmao shutting on francesca
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Another Maccagnan v. Gase disconnect. Prior to resigning Neal Sterling & Eric Tomlinson, Gase wanted add veteran presence in TE room. One with blocking ability both in line & on move. Gase wanted Darren Fells. When Fells signed for $150K guaranteed w/ Texans, Gase wasn’t thrilled
Our coach is a giant bitch
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Josina Anderson is trying to make this about race.
What a surprise.
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Our coach is a giant bitch
If your GM isn’t getting you the players you want, you should be pretty pissed.
Fells signed for close to nothing.
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Our coach is a giant bitch
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BgDiBr0CQAAWdBO.png)
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Josina Anderson is trying to make this about race.
What a surprise.
They're all white
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Josina Anderson is trying to make this about race.
What a surprise.
Josina Anderson is the worst.
#clownface
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Maccagnan was never comfortable operating in the pro arena and deferred to Heimerdinger on almost every decision, allowing him to have far more control than his years and experience warranted.
- Lombardi
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Maccagnan was never comfortable operating in the pro arena and deferred to Heimerdinger on almost every decision, allowing him to have far more control than his years and experience warranted.
- Lombardi
Thanks Charley Casserly
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This really makes me hope that I'm wrong about Gase and that he's actually the second coming of Belichick. I don't care how much of a dick you are if you win.
It sounded, based on the tweets from Chris Johnson's conference call yesterday, that Johnson didn't truly have a good sense of the job Maccagnan was doing. I guess he took a closer look once Gase came in and probably starting making the same complaints as Bowles had been.
When two people start making the same comments about someone independently of each other, it's time to take a closer look.
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This really makes me hope that I'm wrong about Gase and that he's actually the second coming of Belichick. I don't care how much of a dick you are if you win.
It sounded, based on the tweets from Chris Johnson's conference call yesterday, that Johnson didn't truly have a good sense of the job Maccagnan was doing. I guess he took a closer look once Gase came in and probably starting making the same complaints as Bowles had been.
When two people start making the same comments about someone independently of each other, it's time to take a closer look.
I read Johnson's comments, that's what I got from it too, makes sense.
Hope it works.
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Can we change the title of this thread to loljets
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I still like Christopher Johnson.
My guess is he intended to keep the front office for this season despite the complaints and any tension with Gase, but when Heimerdinger pulled whatever excrement he pulled Johnson decided neither of them were worth it.
I can respect that, if it's anywhere close to the truth.
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I still like Christopher Johnson.
My guess is he intended to keep the front office for this season despite the complaints and any tension with Gase, but when Heimerdinger pulled whatever excrement he pulled Johnson decided neither of them were worth it.
I can respect that, if it's anywhere close to the truth.
I like Christopher Johnson as a man more than I like Woody, or more accurately I like what little I know of his views than I do Woody's.
I dislike intensely the fact that they both insist on this stupid freaking reporting structure.
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I like Christopher Johnson as a man more than I like Woody, or more accurately I like what little I know of his views than I do Woody's.
I dislike intensely the fact that they both insist on this stupid freaking reporting structure.
I don't think the reporting structure is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. You just need to have two people who are both competent and on the same page. We haven't had that in a long time.
I'll take Christopher 10 times out of 10 over Woody.
Firing Maccagnan was the right decision - it was just made at the wrong time. In the end, I'm happy it happened, even if it makes us look like a laughingstock (again).
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Has Duff commented on this whole excrement show yet?
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I don't think the reporting structure is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. You just need to have two people who are both competent and on the same page. We haven't had that in a long time.
It's a lot easier to get two people on the same page when one of them answers directly to the other.
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It's a lot easier to get two people on the same page when one of them answers directly to the other.
Reuben gets it
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Peers whose success or failure is dependent upon the others? Yeah, that's not working.
"The only reason we didn't win is because he didn't give me the right players."
"The only reason we didn't win is because he mismanaged the great players I gave him."
First among equals is not a recipe for success. GM builds the roster and the club ethos, HC is recruited specifically for his ability to deliver on that ethos. It's the only way it can sensibly work.
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lol at gase being belichick
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lol at gase being belichick
They're both cunts
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Peers whose success or failure is dependent upon the others? Yeah, that's not working.
"The only reason we didn't win is because he didn't give me the right players."
"The only reason we didn't win is because he mismanaged the great players I gave him."
First among equals is not a recipe for success. GM builds the roster and the club ethos, HC is recruited specifically for his ability to deliver on that ethos. It's the only way it can sensibly work.
It’s always made more sense to me the other way. The coach (aka guy responsible for the results on the field) should be the guy setting the ethos of the organization, gms job is to bring in the best talent at appropriate value possible. To me (if we use the Parcells analogy) the guy buying the groceries shouldn’t be telling the chef what to cook, the chef should be telling the shopper what ingredients to buy so the chef can create the perfect dish
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It’s always made more sense to me the other way. The coach (aka guy responsible for the results on the field) should be the guy setting the ethos of the organization, gms job is to bring in the best talent at appropriate value possible. To me (if we use the Parcells analogy) the guy buying the groceries shouldn’t be telling the chef what to cook, the chef should be telling the shopper what ingredients to buy so the chef can create the perfect dish
Except the chef doesn't get a job in an Italian restaurant and then say "freak you, I cook Japanese and French fusion, the menu is all butter and raw fish from here on". You pick the chef to suit the type of restaurant that you run. The Parcells analogy is bollocks and always was.
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Except the chef doesn't get a job in an Italian restaurant and then say "freak you, I cook Japanese and French fusion, the menu is all butter and raw fish from here on". You pick the chef to suit the type of restaurant that you run. The Parcells analogy is bollocks and always was.
That's because japanese and French fusion is ridiculous
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It's a lot easier to get two people on the same page when one of them answers directly to the other.
So you always get along with your boss, and you're always on the same page with him just because you report to him?
The GM and coach both have important roles. Whether they report to each other or whether they both report to the owner, we just need to have competent people in both spots.
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That's because japanese and French fusion is ridiculous
Of course it is, just like hiring Adam Gase was.
Substitute what you want in for that depending upon your view of him, the point stands.
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So you always get along with your boss, and you're always on the same page with him just because you report to him?
No, but if he's not happy with how I'm doing my job he can fire me. Because he's ultimately accountable for my performance, so he has to have the power to replace me if it's not acceptable.
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That's because japanese and French fusion is ridiculous
Hey now let's not start with hot takes we can't back up. Japanese French fusion is the basis of some of the finest fine dining in the world. There aren't too cuisines more compatibly fussy, obsessive, and shamelessly pretentious.
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I'll get down on some foie gras sashimi any day of the week.
freak ducks.
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Hey now let's not start with hot takes we can't back up. Japanese French fusion is the basis of some of the finest fine dining in the world. There aren't too cuisines more compatibly fussy, obsessive, and shamelessly pretentious.
Japanese French fusion is actually delicious 😊
Anytime you add a French flare it usually means you're in for a treat
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This was long overdue.
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I listened to the Lombardi podcast, and I've come to terms with the decision. There are a couple of things that caught my attention.
- How the freaking freak could we have had a GM who was just a college scout and didn't have any experience on how to build a roster? How could we let him choose a right hand man who essentially had no experience whatsoever? HOW COULD THAT HAVE LASTED FOUR YEARS?
- I liked something that Lombardi said, that Gase is all about building a culture inside the team. I think that's actually the right way to go. That's essentially what Rex did in his good years, before he started giving his favorites too much leeway and what Bowles was never able to do. Hell, that's what freaking Belichick has done with the Patriots all these years. Whether Gase will build the right culture or not, that remains to be seen, of course.
- Gase didn't like Mosley and Bell and that freaking sucks. How fucked up is that our coach didn't want our two most important FA signings? Unless Darnold turns out to be the second coming of Peyton Manning, I don't see how this season will turn out to be any different from the last ones.
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Gase is fine with Mosley and Bell as players.
He just didn’t like the contracts.
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French Japanese cuisine fused with teriyaki pepperoni will rule the world.
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So you always get along with your boss, and you're always on the same page with him just because you report to him?
The GM and coach both have important roles. Whether they report to each other or whether they both report to the owner, we just need to have competent people in both spots.
Maybe it's just me but I don't think the two guys who know football should both be reporting to the guy who doesn't know a freaking thing about football
Obviously it's the owners team (or in this case the pretend owner by proxy?)
But football decisions should be delegated and trusted to the experts
If you have a HC that you think is the most important/knowledgeable guy on the team (ie BB) have a GM who essentially reports to him. If you have a HC that's new or inexperienced or has faults, have him report to the GM.
And the idea that a HC and GM should be some makeshift paired marriage reporting to the owner is ridiculous. You take the guy that's more valuable/trusted and let him dictate what you do with the other.
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This a Lombardi article in The Athletic, that essentially echoes what he said in the podcast.
A few weeks back in one of my columns on the 2019 draft, I reported that all was not well in New York Jets land for general manager Mike Maccagnan, and that many expected changes in the Jets’ front office after the draft. The whispers were that the GM and his newly hired head coach Adam Gase were not seeing eye-to-eye on how they were procuring talent and rebuilding the team. Many in the New York media said I was crazy, and one well-known radio host called me clueless. On Wednesday, the Jets fired Maccagnan and vice president of player personnel Brian Heimerdinger. Clearly the GM and his newly hired coach did not see eye-to-eye.
When Maccagnan hired Gase in January, most people in the NFL knew Gase was not going to sit idly by — like former Jets head coach Todd Bowles often did — and watch Maccagnan and Heimerdinger try to repair what they had inadequately built over the last four years. Maccagnan, however, had all the juice when it came to talent acquisition and over the previous four-plus years was in full control of the Jets’ roster. Gase was keenly aware from his time in Miami that the Jets’ roster was terrible except for quarterback Sam Darnold and a few other players. Partnering with Maccagnan and Heimerdinger, the men in charge of assembling that roster, was Gase’s chance to get back on the sidelines as a coach. Gase likely felt that with a little direction and input from him, Maccagnan and Heimerdinger would improve their decision-making. After a few months working together, those changes never seemed to occur.
This was not a power play by Gase, who will be the interim GM; it was the right move for the Jets to finally make — and it was one they should have made this offseason before hiring the coach. When examining football teams, there are three areas to break down: players, coaching and scheme. The 2018 Jets were terrible in all three, yet only Bowles and his coaching staff paid the price. How Maccagnan and Heimerdinger convinced Jets owner Chris Johnson that they were on the right track completely amazed me considering the team’s talent base was so weak. Maccagnan and Heimerdinger never selected an offensive lineman in the first four rounds of any of their drafts prior to 2019 — a complete violation of team building 101. How they could convince Johnson that in spite of their horrendous mismanagement of free agency in 2018 that they were still the right men to handle the rebuild never made any sense to me. Yet Johnson not only was convinced he had the right men, he also let them pick the next head coach.
When the Jets wanted to hire Baylor coach Matt Rhule before settling on Gase, Maccagnan and Heimerdinger wanted to have control of the coaching staff, which was not going to fly with Rhule. When Rhule said no, they went to Gase and hoped he would be more willing and cooperative. However, if they genuinely understood Gase and his relentless approach to all areas of team building, they would have known this would never work. Firing Bowles hurt Maccagnan because the next coach was never going to be as docile.
Gase is concerned about the culture of his team. Look closely at his decisions on players in his final season in Miami. He wanted core players who would help install his ethos and work hard. Gase understands how free-agent spending can upset the culture and create more harm than good. Gase is more in line with the Patriots’ way than the overspending trend in free agency. So it had to make Gase crazy when Maccagnan and Heimerdinger overspent for running back Le’Veon Bell (who was their real competition?), and then on top of that Bell chose not to attend the Jets’ voluntary offseason program to help install the culture alongside his young teammates. (Though, when asked about Bell skipping voluntary workouts, Gase seemed unperturbed, telling the media, “Everybody can get upset about it. There’s no point. We know where he is. He’s working out. He’s always been ready. Every year that he’s played, he’s been ready to go. That’s just what it is. If somebody doesn’t like it, then talk to the NFLPA.”)
Gase probably would have preferred former Falcons running back Tevin Coleman at his modest price with the 49ers than overextending for Bell. Yes, the Jets had a ton of cap room and improving their talent base was critical, but didn’t Maccagnan and Heimerdinger learn anything from their overspending for corner Trumaine Johnson last year? Johnson was so bad that Bowles wanted to send him on his way out of town, but Maccagnan and Heimerdinger refused to even let Bowles send Johnson to the bench.
Maccagnan was never comfortable operating in the pro arena and deferred to Heimerdinger on almost every decision, allowing him to have far more control than his years and experience warranted. When teams would call the Jets to explore trades, Heimerdinger was the main man. Maccagnan preferred to have a coffee cup in hand and spent most of his time on the road scouting college players.
Getting Darnold was the right move for the Jets and one Maccagnan and Heimerdinger should feel proud of as they leave the building. However, their overall talent acquisition was below average. Over the last five years, the Jets have won only 28 games compared to the Patriots’ 74, and that kind of total domination was eventually going to cost more than just the coach his job.
The only way the Jets will finally start to gain ground on the Patriots is if they do now what they should’ve done in January — let Gase pick the best partner for him, one who understands the pro game and the type of player needed to compete at the highest level.
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So you always get along with your boss, and you're always on the same page with him just because you report to him?
The GM and coach both have important roles. Whether they report to each other or whether they both report to the owner, we just need to have competent people in both spots.
that's how power struggles manifest. Especially when there's no history between the two candidates.
The minute there's a disagreement, the first thought entering their minds is "well, i don't report to you".
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Gase is fine with Mosley and Bell as players.
He just didn’t like the contracts.
This. Gase just thinks we overpaid.
Bell
bell
- it seems like we overpaid based on his interest from the market. When you compare him to other top running backs and his value to Sam, I'm fine with it.
Mosely
- I think MLB is one of the least valuable positions in the nfl, but mosely is an all pro in his prime and we can easily get out of williamson's contract next year if we want. Hard to be upset about upgrading to better and younger.
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This a Lombardi article in The Athletic, that essentially echoes what he said in the podcast.
A few weeks back in one of my columns on the 2019 draft, I reported that all was not well in New York Jets land for general manager Mike Maccagnan, and that many expected changes in the Jets’ front office after the draft. The whispers were that the GM and his newly hired head coach Adam Gase were not seeing eye-to-eye on how they were procuring talent and rebuilding the team. Many in the New York media said I was crazy, and one well-known radio host called me clueless. On Wednesday, the Jets fired Maccagnan and vice president of player personnel Brian Heimerdinger. Clearly the GM and his newly hired coach did not see eye-to-eye.
When Maccagnan hired Gase in January, most people in the NFL knew Gase was not going to sit idly by — like former Jets head coach Todd Bowles often did — and watch Maccagnan and Heimerdinger try to repair what they had inadequately built over the last four years. Maccagnan, however, had all the juice when it came to talent acquisition and over the previous four-plus years was in full control of the Jets’ roster. Gase was keenly aware from his time in Miami that the Jets’ roster was terrible except for quarterback Sam Darnold and a few other players. Partnering with Maccagnan and Heimerdinger, the men in charge of assembling that roster, was Gase’s chance to get back on the sidelines as a coach. Gase likely felt that with a little direction and input from him, Maccagnan and Heimerdinger would improve their decision-making. After a few months working together, those changes never seemed to occur.
This was not a power play by Gase, who will be the interim GM; it was the right move for the Jets to finally make — and it was one they should have made this offseason before hiring the coach. When examining football teams, there are three areas to break down: players, coaching and scheme. The 2018 Jets were terrible in all three, yet only Bowles and his coaching staff paid the price. How Maccagnan and Heimerdinger convinced Jets owner Chris Johnson that they were on the right track completely amazed me considering the team’s talent base was so weak. Maccagnan and Heimerdinger never selected an offensive lineman in the first four rounds of any of their drafts prior to 2019 — a complete violation of team building 101. How they could convince Johnson that in spite of their horrendous mismanagement of free agency in 2018 that they were still the right men to handle the rebuild never made any sense to me. Yet Johnson not only was convinced he had the right men, he also let them pick the next head coach.
When the Jets wanted to hire Baylor coach Matt Rhule before settling on Gase, Maccagnan and Heimerdinger wanted to have control of the coaching staff, which was not going to fly with Rhule. When Rhule said no, they went to Gase and hoped he would be more willing and cooperative. However, if they genuinely understood Gase and his relentless approach to all areas of team building, they would have known this would never work. Firing Bowles hurt Maccagnan because the next coach was never going to be as docile.
Gase is concerned about the culture of his team. Look closely at his decisions on players in his final season in Miami. He wanted core players who would help install his ethos and work hard. Gase understands how free-agent spending can upset the culture and create more harm than good. Gase is more in line with the Patriots’ way than the overspending trend in free agency. So it had to make Gase crazy when Maccagnan and Heimerdinger overspent for running back Le’Veon Bell (who was their real competition?), and then on top of that Bell chose not to attend the Jets’ voluntary offseason program to help install the culture alongside his young teammates. (Though, when asked about Bell skipping voluntary workouts, Gase seemed unperturbed, telling the media, “Everybody can get upset about it. There’s no point. We know where he is. He’s working out. He’s always been ready. Every year that he’s played, he’s been ready to go. That’s just what it is. If somebody doesn’t like it, then talk to the NFLPA.”)
Gase probably would have preferred former Falcons running back Tevin Coleman at his modest price with the 49ers than overextending for Bell. Yes, the Jets had a ton of cap room and improving their talent base was critical, but didn’t Maccagnan and Heimerdinger learn anything from their overspending for corner Trumaine Johnson last year? Johnson was so bad that Bowles wanted to send him on his way out of town, but Maccagnan and Heimerdinger refused to even let Bowles send Johnson to the bench.
Maccagnan was never comfortable operating in the pro arena and deferred to Heimerdinger on almost every decision, allowing him to have far more control than his years and experience warranted. When teams would call the Jets to explore trades, Heimerdinger was the main man. Maccagnan preferred to have a coffee cup in hand and spent most of his time on the road scouting college players.
Getting Darnold was the right move for the Jets and one Maccagnan and Heimerdinger should feel proud of as they leave the building. However, their overall talent acquisition was below average. Over the last five years, the Jets have won only 28 games compared to the Patriots’ 74, and that kind of total domination was eventually going to cost more than just the coach his job.
The only way the Jets will finally start to gain ground on the Patriots is if they do now what they should’ve done in January — let Gase pick the best partner for him, one who understands the pro game and the type of player needed to compete at the highest level.
Very informative, and makes total sense.
Solid post.
We can also thank Charley Casserly again...for recommending Macc and Bowles. Please DIAF, Charley.
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Gase is fine with Mosley and Bell as players.
He just didn’t like the contracts.
Which is literally nothing to do with the head coach. That's like the GM telling the head coach which drills he should be running.
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The only way the Jets will finally start to gain ground on the Patriots is if they do now what they should’ve done in January — hire a good head coach instead of Adam Gase.
Fixed that last line for you (and Lombardi).
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Fixed that last line for you (and Lombardi).
Stop spreading propaganda
He hasn't coached a single game for us yet.
Until then, you don't know excrement....none of us do.
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Stop spreading propaganda
He hasn't coached a single game for us yet.
Until then, you don't know excrement....none of us do.
Propaganda? LOL.
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Propaganda? LOL.
Yes...your hatred is bullshit until further notice.
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This was long overdue.
That was my exact thought. Seriously, Mac can freak right off on the way out. I am skeptical on the Adam Gase as a GM thing, but I can't imagine anyone in there right minds being upset about Mac's departure.
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That was my exact thought. Seriously, Mac can freak right off on the way out. I am skeptical on the Adam Gase as a GM thing, but I can't imagine anyone in there right minds being upset about Mac's departure.
I think we'll have a new GM before the first week of June.
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That was my exact thought. Seriously, Mac can freak right off on the way out. I am skeptical on the Adam Gase as a GM thing, but I can't imagine anyone in there right minds being upset about Mac's departure.
No, but if we hire Douglas as GM I'm going to be very concerned that the entire team will be too Gase-y
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Which is literally nothing to do with the head coach. That's like the GM telling the head coach which drills he should be running.
Yes and No.
The GM and Coach should be aligned on what positions the team values. If Gase told Duff he doesn't value these positions Duff should listen. Imagine Gase telling Duff he doesn't value runningbacks in his system and he thinks a fair budget allocation for the position group is between 3-5% of the total salary cap, and then duff goes and spends 10% of the salary cap on RB...
Getting upset about that isn't overstepping. He needs the right types of players to run his offense.
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That was my exact thought. Seriously, Mac can freak right off on the way out. I am skeptical on the Adam Gase as a GM thing, but I can't imagine anyone in there right minds being upset about Mac's departure.
"Macc shouldn't have been fired": no one.
"Gase shouldn't be calling the shots": anyone in their right mind.
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Yes and No.
The GM and Coach should be aligned on what positions the team values. If Gase told Duff he doesn't value these positions Duff should listen. Imagine Gase telling Duff he doesn't value runningbacks in his system and he thinks a fair budget allocation for the position group is between 3-5% of the total salary cap, and then duff goes and spends 10% of the salary cap on RB...
Getting upset about that isn't overstepping. He needs the right types of players to run his offense.
Again, the contract values are nothing to do with Gase as long as he's getting the players that work in his system. And if his system doesn't have a use for Le'veon Bell and his arsenal of skills, the problem isn't with the contract or the GM.
If you can show me an example of a player that Gase wanted but we didn't get because the Bell contract meant that we couldn't afford him, then you might have an argument.
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Again, the contract values are nothing to do with Gase as long as he's getting the players that work in his system. And if his system doesn't have a use for Le'veon Bell and his arsenal of skills, the problem isn't with the contract or the GM.
If you can show me an example of a player that Gase wanted but we didn't get because the Bell contract meant that we couldn't afford him, then you might have an argument.
I preface this by saying i'm glad we have an elite HB.
I don't fault Gase for wanting to be fiscally responsible. If Tevin Coleman fits the system and could be had for 1/3 of Bell's price...that's good business, provided he stays healthy. As discussed in past threads, HB is very interchangeable in the grand scheme of things. We gave Bell a lot of cheddar to come play here. I know you're gonna say "well he's excellent in pass protection"...not sure that feature is worth the price we paid for him. Especially now that we drafted a player like Wesco.
Just playing devils' advocate here. I can see both sides.
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Tevin Coleman stinks
Gase preferring him over Bell worries me a bit
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Tevin Coleman stinks
Gase preferring him over Bell worries me a bit
In fairness to Gase, according to that Lombardi article, Gase never said he preferred Coleman, Lombardi was saying Gase "might" have preferred his salary to Bell's.
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Again, the contract values are nothing to do with Gase as long as he's getting the players that work in his system. And if his system doesn't have a use for Le'veon Bell and his arsenal of skills, the problem isn't with the contract or the GM.
If you can show me an example of a player that Gase wanted but we didn't get because the Bell contract meant that we couldn't afford him, then you might have an argument.
Disagree. Head coach shouldn't be involved individual player values but he should be involved in prioritition of position groups. If the gm is over extending himself in a position group that's an issue.
To your question, it probably didnt stoo us from signing us this offseason because we had so much cap space. Maybe next year isnt the same
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If Bell's salary causes a problem re-signing Adams or Darnold down the line, or shows himself to be a locker room cancer, then the signing was a problem. If not, he's an elite talent that will be a huge help to Darnold's development.
My assumption is that is how Gase views the whole thing too. I hope he's telling the truth that he's been in contact with Bell.
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Disagree. Head coach shouldn't be involved individual player values but he should be involved in prioritition of position groups. If the gm is over extending himself in a position group that's an issue.
To your question, it probably didnt stoo us from signing us this offseason because we had so much cap space. Maybe next year isnt the same
Signing cheap players to save cap space for next season is an Idzik move, and signing Coleman instead of Le'veon Bell because of price with the amount of money we have in our tank would have been a dreadful move even if you're not as down on Coleman as Heismanberg (I don't have strong feelings about him).
We have plenty of cap space next season. Our only starters going to FA are Leonard, Anderson, Beachum and Jenkins, and only one or possibly two of them will command significant contracts.
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If Bell's salary causes a problem re-signing Adams or Darnold down the line, or shows himself to be a locker room cancer, then the signing was a problem. If not, he's an elite talent that will be a huge help to Darnold's development.
My assumption is that is how Gase views the whole thing too. I hope he's telling the truth that he's been in contact with Bell.
Well he seems like a very honest man who fosters great relationships with his players and co-workers, I wouldn't worry.
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If Bell's salary causes a problem re-signing Adams or Darnold down the line, or shows himself to be a locker room cancer, then the signing was a problem. If not, he's an elite talent that will be a huge help to Darnold's development.
My assumption is that is how Gase views the whole thing too. I hope he's telling the truth that he's been in contact with Bell.
Bell can be cut after two seasons with virtually no dead money. Adams is due in two seasons, Darnold in three. Bell's contract will not prevent us from paying either of them what they're worth.
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Well he seems like a very honest man who fosters great relationships with his players and co-workers, I wouldn't worry.
Hahaha, fair enough.
Still, I hope it's true. Bell hasn't come off as upset so far, so hopefully, things all just work out.
Bell can be cut after two seasons with virtually no dead money. Adams is due in two seasons, Darnold in three. Bell's contract will not prevent us from paying either of them what they're worth.
I was too lazy to go look, but I kind of figured that. I wanted Bell anyway, so I'm far from disappointed. I just understand the Belichick ideal that there's only 1 guy you pay whatever he wants, everyone else is expendable if the price is too high.
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we're a team completely devoid of talent and we need to surround our young QB with bona fide offensive talent, the best talent attainable. that is leveon bell. that is not tevin coleman. signing bell was the right thing to do.
they're just reports but if gase really did prefer a coleman-type back to bell because of the optics of the contract numbers and supposed 'bargain' aspect of such a deal, then that is a major issue
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"Macc shouldn't have been fired": no one.
"Gase shouldn't be calling the shots": anyone in their right mind.
It's not even gase calling the shots, it's building this freaking team around Gase, and hiring a HC before having a GM.
This arranged marriage excrement is excrement
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I just understand the Belichick ideal that there's only 1 guy you pay whatever he wants, everyone else is expendable if the price is too high.
Belichick can afford to possess that ideal because he brings the pedigree of Belichick, and he already has that 1 guy. I love Sam Darnold but he is not Tom Brady yet. Gase has not earned the right to be acting like this
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Stop spreading propaganda
He hasn't coached a single game for us yet.
Until then, you don't know excrement....none of us do.
I know that my primary concern when hiring Gase was that he was an poopchute who alienated players and couldn't work well with others. Just because he's confirmed those concerns in record freaking time doesn't mean there's been a rush to judgment.
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Belichick can afford to possess that ideal because he brings the pedigree of Belichick, and he already has that 1 guy. I love Sam Darnold but he is not Tom Brady yet. Gase has not earned the right to be acting like this
Belichick didn't have the pedigree until he had the 1 guy.
I'm not giving Gase excuses, I'm just saying I understand the point that overpaying non-QBs can get complicated. It's way too early to know how this is going to play out.
Besides, Gase isn't acting like anything. Most of this is speculation, and he's seemingly okay with Bell and Mosley, he just wouldn't have paid them what Maccagnan did.
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I know that my primary concern when hiring Gase was that he was an poopchute who alienated players and couldn't work well with others. Just because he's confirmed those concerns in record freaking time doesn't mean there's been a rush to judgment.
If we're winning games and making the playoffs. I don't care if Gase is the 2nd coming of Adolf Hitler.
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If we're winning games and making the playoffs. I don't care if Gase is the 2nd coming of Adolf Hitler.
Well seeing as how Hitler's co-workers repeatedly tried to kill him and he left his organization in smoldering ruins, perhaps you should.
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Well seeing as how Hitler's co-workers repeatedly tried to kill him and he left his organization in smoldering ruins, perhaps you should.
Maybe it goes that way. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
I don't think it will.
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Signing cheap players to save cap space for next season is an Idzik move, and signing Coleman instead of Le'veon Bell because of price with the amount of money we have in our tank would have been a dreadful move even if you're not as down on Coleman as Heismanberg (I don't have strong feelings about him).
We have plenty of cap space next season. Our only starters going to FA are Leonard, Anderson, Beachum and Jenkins, and only one or possibly two of them will command significant contracts.
I get what you're saying but that's not how budgeting works.
You may be able to buy a Porsche, but it doesnt mean you should if you need to replace your roof next year.
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Idzik knew how to be frugal better than anyone. Too bad he didn't have someone who knew anything about football to pair up with him
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I get what you're saying but that's not how budgeting works.
You may be able to buy a Porsche, but it doesnt mean you should if you need to replace your roof next year.
You may have missed the point where I said "we have plenty of cap space next season". And to continue your analogy, we can not only already afford a very nice roof next season if we want one, we can also easily get rid of several of our other cars and free up extra budget if we need to also replace the windows.
There is no good financial argument for us not signing Bell to the contract we did, as doing has no opportunity cost. The only argument is that the head coach won't get enough use out of him to justify spending that much on a back, at which point we return to the fact that the problem there lies with a head coach unwilling or unable to properly utilise the best all round back in the game.
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So nobody posted this? A a classic:
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/back-3.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=780)
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You may have missed the point where I said "we have plenty of cap space next season". And to continue your analogy, we can not only already afford a very nice roof next season if we want one, we can also easily get rid of several of our other cars and free up extra budget if we need to also replace the windows.
There is no good financial argument for us not signing Bell to the contract we did, as doing has no opportunity cost. The only argument is that the head coach won't get enough use out of him to justify spending that much on a back, at which point we return to the fact that the problem there lies with a head coach unwilling or unable to properly utilise the best all round back in the game.
No I get it and I'm for the bell "overpaying".
I'm just saying the GM and HC should be aligned on priorities. To our knowledge Bell isn't hurting us from a dollar perspective, but what if a top Lt becomes available in free agency next year and a Khalil mack type trade opens up for a pass rusher and now we don't have the flexibility to make that signing and trade.
I'm all about sticking to a flexible plan. If someone threw that plan out the window I'd be pissed because my success depends on it.
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No I get it and I'm for the bell "overpaying".
I'm just saying the GM and HC should be aligned on priorities. To our knowledge Bell isn't hurting us from a dollar perspective, but what if a top Lt becomes available in free agency next year and a Khalil mack type trade opens up for a pass rusher and now we don't have the flexibility to make that signing and trade.
I'm all about sticking to a flexible plan. If someone threw that plan out the window I'd be pissed because my success depends on it.
Bell was in our sights long before Gase was anywhere near the club, and he'll probably be here longer.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836824-john-clayton-i-could-absolutely-see-jets-trading-leveon-bell-before-season
#firegase
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https://sports.theonion.com/adam-gase-to-play-all-22-positions-after-pushing-out-en-1834851820 (https://sports.theonion.com/adam-gase-to-play-all-22-positions-after-pushing-out-en-1834851820)
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836824-john-clayton-i-could-absolutely-see-jets-trading-leveon-bell-before-season
#firegase
Not to be hyperbolic, but this may be the most dumbest article and opinion I have ever read.
John Clayton is scenile
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836824-john-clayton-i-could-absolutely-see-jets-trading-leveon-bell-before-season
#firegase
John Clayton is still alive? Good on him.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836824-john-clayton-i-could-absolutely-see-jets-trading-leveon-bell-before-season
#firegase
freak Gase
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Not to be hyperbolic, but this may be the most dumbest article and opinion I have ever read.
John Clayton is scenile
A lot of us said that about the Tony Pauline story about Macc/Gase rift
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$25,000,000 dead cap if we trade Le'Veon Bell. It's not a possibility.
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$25,000,000 dead cap if we trade Le'Veon Bell. It's not a possibility.
Would essentially mean we're in the misdt of a full rebuild willing to tank for 2 or 3 more years
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$25,000,000 dead cap if we trade Le'Veon Bell. It's not a possibility.
Agreed, but the fact that it's even semi-plausible that our brand new head coach is already alienating our marquee free agent signing speaks volumes about that freaking idiot.
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Agree with JE. I don’t think anyone here thinks it will happen. The fact that it’s being discussed speaks to the shitshow dumpster fire we are now immersed in.
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Reminder that Gase traded Jay Ajayi after he ran for nearly 300 yards in the previous season.
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Also, I think the key part of the Clayton article is the Bell tweet:
Le'Veon Bell @LeVeonBell
Even if reports are true, that won’t stop me from doing what I came here to do...everyone has a job to do, and I’m gonna do mine whether peopIe “like” me or not. I’m here to win football games.
Way to freaking go, Gase. Because if this wasn't a thing, Bell would be tweeting "I've spoken with Coach Gase and he and I are absolutely aligned on our goals for the coming season, can't wait for organised training to start and get working with the team and coaches". But he didn't. He tweeted "Even if reports are true" which very clearly means "I have no idea whether he wants me here or not because he hasn't spoken to me".
freak off, Gase. It's not too late for you to fix this impending disaster Chris.
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Also, I think the key part of the Clayton article is the Bell tweet:
Way to freaking go, Gase. Because if this wasn't a thing, Bell would be tweeting "I've spoken with Coach Gase and he and I are absolutely aligned on our goals for the coming season, can't wait for organised training to start and get working with the team and coaches". But he didn't. He tweeted "Even if reports are true" which very clearly means "I have no idea whether he wants me here or not because he hasn't spoken to me".
freak off, Gase. It's not too late for you to fix this impending disaster Chris.
Chris is a excrement owner. I don't know why anyone had any confidence in him, who cares if he's not Woody. His decisions have been as bad if not worse thus far.
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Chris is a excrement owner. I don't know why anyone had any confidence in him, who cares if he's not Woody. His decisions have been as bad if not worse thus far.
He got the approach exactly right with the whole kneeling thing. Other than that I've got nothing.
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Also, I think the key part of the Clayton article is the Bell tweet:
Way to freaking go, Gase. Because if this wasn't a thing, Bell would be tweeting "I've spoken with Coach Gase and he and I are absolutely aligned on our goals for the coming season, can't wait for organised training to start and get working with the team and coaches". But he didn't. He tweeted "Even if reports are true" which very clearly means "I have no idea whether he wants me here or not because he hasn't spoken to me".
freak off, Gase. It's not too late for you to fix this impending disaster Chris.
He posted this very soon after the reports. It was definitely before they spoke
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He posted this very soon after the reports. It was definitely before they spoke
The tweet was from two days ago. When did they speak?
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Rumors swirling that Jets are pursuing Peyton Manning to be their GM
https://apple.news/AeL_VG0rRQ62Pdy9WJOQ11g
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Well he did recommend Gase to be head coach, what could go wrong
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Rumors swirling that Jets are pursuing Peyton Manning to be their GM
https://apple.news/AeL_VG0rRQ62Pdy9WJOQ11g
This is great news. I was worried Peyton Manning was only going to shoot us down once in my lifetime but then God provides.
Seriously though, I wouldn't be opposed.
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freak it, why not?
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The articles saying how horrible an idea Peyton (currently) as our GM by far outweigh any potential excitement of having Peyton Manning paired up with Darnold in anyway
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I do not enjoy this timeline.
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but, I mean, if Peyton Manning wins a superbowl as the GM of the Jets while the Giants are trash.........................
I'm just sayin
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Reminder that Gase traded Jay Ajayi after he ran for nearly 300 yards in the previous season.
Another reminder:
Jay Ajayi stinks
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Maccagnan wouldn’t let Bowles or Gase provide input to his scouts because he didn’t want the head coach to influence their decision making.
That is a fireable offense by itself.
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Maccagnan wouldn’t let Bowles or Gase provide input to his scouts because he didn’t want the head coach to influence their decision making.
That is a fireable offense by itself.
That makes no freaking sense. No wonder it seemed like no one had a plan to build a roster and see it play out on the field
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Maccagnan wouldn’t let Bowles or Gase provide input to his scouts because he didn’t want the head coach to influence their decision making.
That is a fireable offense by itself.
I like to think Duff was just sitting in a room picking based on Kipers big board
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Just realized, with Duff gone we can sign pieces of excrement like Tyreke Hill when he becomes a free agent
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And considering our assholish staff, I find it pretty likely.
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Another reminder:
Jay Ajayi stinks
He's talented, he just has questionable knees. He's been pretty good for Philly when he can get on the field.
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$25,000,000 dead cap if we trade Le'Veon Bell. It's not a possibility.
I don't think this is correct. We'd only eat his signing bonus, which is $8M. It's only $25M if we cut him because we're also on the hook for all the guaranteed salary and roster bonuses, if we trade him then the team taking him picks up all of those.
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Maccagnan wouldn’t let Bowles or Gase provide input to his scouts because he didn’t want the head coach to influence their decision making.
That is a fireable offense by itself.
Cant be, most everyone here gave Bowles a good share of blame for shitty draft picks
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I know a lot of NYJ fans don't trust Manish Mehta and what he says about this team, but he did a Q&A podcast yesterday and said some very interesting things about Maccagnan.
Supposedly a lot of his picks are influenced by his coaching staff. Manish said that John Morton really wanted ArDarius Stewart, so Maccagnan took him.
I think he's done his best to work with his coaches to get them players that they want to work with. It's not a terrible strategy if it works ...but it hasn't.
Dennard Wilson and Todd Bowles almost certainly pushed for Trumaine Johnson in free agency.
Manish strikes again
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At this point, we just have to hope that Adam Gase is competent and won't wear out his welcome if he is.
The hope is that he came in, saw that Maccagnan is a buffoon, and forced him out before he torpedoed his last good chance at being a head coach. He realized he had a chance to get Macc out, and he needed to take it now, like Manish said. Even those in the media who don't like Gase admit he's smart.
If Gase is incompetent and/or we can't find any good candidates to work with Gase, then Gase will fail just as basically every coach before him has failed. Unfortunately, that's the most likely scenario. He had excuses, but ultimately, he failed in Miami, and now it's a major question how attractive this job is with Gase in place already.
However, I'm going to support him until he gives me a reason not to. I don't count this as a reason not to. This is more of an indictment on ownership by not firing Maccagnan earlier (or by pairing Gase and Maccagnan in the first place) than it is on Gase. There's a strong chance it crashes and burns. But there's also a chance that Gase is a competent offensive coach which we haven't had in a long time, he turns Darnold into a star, and it's hard to screw up that badly in that scenario. Jim Irsay isn't really a good owner, but when you have Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning for decades, that doesn't show up. The Jets have had no quarterback play, so the lack of quality ownership matters a lot more. A quality quarterback is the best deodorant for bad ownership.
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This is great news. I was worried Peyton Manning was only going to shoot us down once in my lifetime but then God provides.
Seriously though, I wouldn't be opposed.
I guess you forgot the time when he was on his way out of Indy and the Jets were interested and he was basically like "Lol, wut? Naw, I'm good."
3rd time is the charm?
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I guess you forgot the time when he was on his way out of Indy and the Jets were interested and he was basically like "Lol, wut? Naw, I'm good."
3rd time is the charm?
Why would he want to play for a HC that doesn’t give a excrement about the offense? I wouldn’t play for Rex either if I were him.
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Adam Gase gets publicly panned by players. They were garbage players anyway.
Gase attempts a power play in Miami. It's the Dolphins, they have Tanny in the FO, whatever.
Gase has a more bizarre press conference than even Herm Edwards managed for the Jets. He's not comfortable in front of the camera.
Gase literally moves his chair out of camera view of the draft war room like a petulant child. He doesn't like being on camera.
Gase makes a successful power play to bounce the GM who'd already spent the free agency money and made the year's draft picks. Well, Maccagnan sucked anyway.
Gase wanted nothing to do with the top free agent signing and has possibly lied about being in communication with him every day, and may even be looking to trade him before he plays a single down. It'll all work out.
People keep saying "I'll give him a chance until he gives me a reason not to." What is going to qualify as a good reason? Literal murder? Will that be enough?
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People keep saying "I'll give him a chance until he gives me a reason not to." What is going to qualify as a good reason? Literal murder? Will that be enough?
When the Jets start losing games. Everything else is noise.
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When the Jets start losing games. Everything else is noise.
Bingo
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When the Jets start losing games. Everything else is noise.
Okay.
But wouldn't it be cool to never get to that point? I mean, no one watches a car stall on train tracks and just thinks "Let's wait this out, see what happens."
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When the Jets start losing games. Everything else is noise.
Rex and Bowles won games initially and according to general consensus here they were awful coaches
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Rex and Bowles won games initially and according to general consensus here they were awful coaches
I'm terrified Gase is going to win 7 games and it will buy him time to dismantle the team.
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I’ve been saying the only way the Gase hire will be worth it to me is if Darnold develops into a top QB. Even then I’m not sure how much of that can be attributed to Gase since I think Darnold is the real deal. I think he could have taken the next step with McCarthy, Kingsbury, Rhule, etc. coaching. Gase is going to have to be one hell of a coach to make up for what appears to be a penchant for dysfunction and conflict with players and the front office.
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I'm terrified Gase is going to win 7 games and it will buy him time to dismantle the team.
Gase could win 3 games and still have the caveat that he didn’t get to pick any of the players
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I’ve been saying the only way the Gase hire will be worth it to me is if Darnold develops into a top QB. Even then I’m not sure how much of that can be attributed to Gase since I think Darnold is the real deal. I think he could have taken the next step with McCarthy, Kingsbury, Rhule, etc. coaching. Gase is going to have to be one hell of a coach to make up for what appears to be a penchant for dysfunction and conflict with players and the front office.
The one thing I'm not concerned about with Gase is ruining Sam; for all his many faults he does know what he's doing with QBs, and I think Sam is probably a strong enough player and character to continue developing regardless of what else is happening around him. It's a bit pointless if the rest of the team is falling into shambles around him though.
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Gase could win 3 games and still have the caveat that he didn’t get to pick any of the players
That's true. But defending 3 wins is a lot harder than defending "We were in the playoff hunt in November."
And I don't think Adams is going to be too quiet if the Jets are sitting on 3 wins in December.
Best-case is that you and I are wrong and happily eating crow while hosting a game or two in January. But I'm hoping that if Gase is the guy we think he is, that he shows it a lot sooner than later--before he does irreparable harm to the roster.
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Okay.
But wouldn't it be cool to never get to that point? I mean, no one watches a car stall on train tracks and just thinks "Let's wait this out, see what happens."
Because literally nothing you posted as your complaints are relevant or important. Winning is all that matters.
All the nonsense has shortened his leash if things go wrong, but if his biggest issue so far can be fixed by just wearing a hat, whatever.
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Because literally nothing you posted as your complaints are relevant or important. Winning is all that matters.
All the nonsense has shortened his leash if things go wrong, but if his biggest issue so far can be fixed by just wearing a hat, whatever.
Sure, winning is all that matters.
But is he going to win? What's on his resume that makes anyone believe he will? That he happened to be Peyton Manning's coach during a Super Bowl run?
There's a lot of history that says Gase is not going to be successful, and not much that says he will. I'm not rooting for him to fail, but I am expecting it. And if he wrecks the team in the process, that wastes precious years of Darnold's rookie deal.
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Sure, winning is all that matters.
But is he going to win? What's on his resume that makes anyone believe he will? That he happened to be Peyton Manning's coach during a Super Bowl run?
There's a lot of history that says Gase is not going to be successful, and not much that says he will. I'm not rooting for him to fail, but I am expecting it. And if he wrecks the team in the process, that wastes precious years of Darnold's rookie deal.
Those are all valid concerns but those are the same concerns we had in January, and they're the same concerns we would have about literally any coach.
Almost any coach you hire is either available because hes being promoted from a lesser role or fired from the same role. Gase fits the latter.
Gase wasnt my top choice. Monken was. But who knows if Monken is any good either? Or any other coach you may have wanted.
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Those are all valid concerns but those are the same concerns we had in January, and they're the same concerns we would have about literally any coach.
Almost any coach you hire is either available because hes being promoted from a lesser role or fired from the same role. Gase fits the latter.
Gase wasnt my top choice. Monken was. But who knows if Monken is any good either? Or any other coach you may have wanted.
Some of my concerns with Gase are nothing like concerns I've ever had with an incoming coach or any of the other people who were under consideration this year.
He seems like a real poopchute. I'm not saying a guy has to be personable like Herm or Rex, but if you're not as good as Parcells or Belichick, you had better get your attitude in check. And I don't think Gase is threatening either Bill's legacies.
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With Jordan Leggett gone, the #Jets' tight-end depth chart looks like this:
Chris Herndon
Rookie Trevon Wesco (Y)
Daniel Brown (Y)
Eric Tomlinson (Y)
Neal Sterling
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According to Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, the Jets have fired scout Bill Dekraker, following last week’s jettisoning of previous G.M. Mike Maccagnan.
Gase said yesterday that he wanted to focus on coaching the team, but according to the report, he’s telling people he wants to streamline Maccagnan’s old personnel department, apparently beginning with a scout Maccagnan hired.
While the departure of a scout won’t register on most radars, it’s another blip on the screen. Since Maccagnan’s ouster, Gase has traded away linebacker Darron Lee, signed another punter and cut a Maccagnan draft pick (Jordan Leggett).
PFT
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How does Gase know which scouts the new GM will and won't want?
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How does Gase know which scouts the new GM will and won't want?
Because he already knows he has Johnson by the Johnson
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How does Gase know which scouts the new GM will and won't want?
The next GM shouldn’t want any of them
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The next GM shouldn’t want any of them
That may be so, but it should be the next GM's decision.
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That may be so, but it should be the next GM's decision.
Gase is the GM until they hire Duff's replacement.
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Gase is the GM until they hire Duff's replacement.
Just because that’s what Chris Johnson decided to do doesn’t make it a sound decision.
JE’s point still stands.
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The next GM shouldn’t want any of them
Do GMs usually fire everybody? Surely I imagine he's only letting people go that he either finds incompetent or has replacements lined up for that he personally knows or trusts.
Regardless I don't particularly see the benefit of Gase firing scouts at this point. Unless he's planning on replacing them (instead of the new GM) in which case that opens its own set of problems
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Just because that’s what Chris Johnson decided to do doesn’t make it a sound decision.
JE’s point still stands.
Gase did the new GM a favor. Nobody likes to fire people.
Now, if Gase starts hiring scouts before the new GM is hired...that's a bigger issue.
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Until he starts losing games he can fire anyone he wants.
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Until he starts losing games he can fire anyone he wants.
he's already lost games though
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Until he starts losing games he can fire anyone he wants.
"WhoooaaaaaOHHHH hey hey hey....freak ALL NIGHT AND PARTY ALL DAYYYY"
/Steel Panther
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Gase presser this morning.
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Elite presser
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https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1rmGPepnyAZJN
in full
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@RichCimini
Gase insisted he had no input into the firing of Maccagnan. He said he and Maccagnan had “disagreements on a few things, but there was no personal rift.” #Jets
@RichCimini
To summarize Gase presser: He had nothing to do with Maccagnan’s ouster. Doesn’t believe he has a credibility problem. He’s “excited” to have Le’Veon Bell. I believe there are some half-truths in there. #Jets
RichCimini
No sign of Trumaine Johnson, so the top three corners are Darryl Roberts, Derrick Jones and Brian Poole. Oh, boy. #Jets
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why are we the way we are
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Gase's response to every question was "no, that's stupid and you're stupid"
pretty great presser tbh
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good to see that gase is speaking to the players in question after the media reports last year. mosley said he was told to 'ignore the media' and that gase had reached out to him. leveon publicly dapping up gase on twitter is at least a positive at this time.
i just can't wait until football comes back
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That was a pretty good presser. And he's absolutely right if they win games, no one's going to care about all of this offseason stuff.
It's definitely a good sign to me that Bell is corroborating his story.
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That was a pretty good presser. And he's absolutely right if they win games, no one's going to care about all of this offseason stuff.
It's definitely a good sign to me that Bell is corroborating his story.
It helps that Bell actually is a Jets fan, and probably doesn't wanna ruin his lifelong dream or whatever the freak
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More grist to the mill for Maccagnan haters:
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-jets-patriots-hjalte-froholdt-bill-belichick-20190606-ibvpp2gvyrgtrmvupyuooclk4e-story.html
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If they wanted Froholdt that badly, and thought he was that good, they wouldn't have traded down twice. Maccagnan wasn't great but this is just Mehta's potstirring crap
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Don't know anything about the dude, but I somehow doubt we were getting an allpro center in the 4th round
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If they wanted Froholdt that badly, and thought he was that good, they wouldn't have traded down twice. Maccagnan wasn't great but this is just Mehta's potstirring crap
I have to agree on this one. "They 'inexplicably' traded down"? If you trade down, it's because no one currently available rates high enough on your board to be that pick. Maybe because you're an idiot, but that's irrelevant now.
The Pats didn't "steal" anything, the Jets chose not to take someone when he was available to them, New England didn't jump them to take him.
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Texans fired Gaine.
Which means the Jets are going to become option #2 for some top tier candidates now.
This is where the Jets dragging their feet on the GM search may come back to bite them in the derriere.
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Texans tried to talk to Joe Douglas when they hired Gaine two years ago, but the Eagles blocked it because they were in the playoffs. Let's see if they take a shot at it.
For what it's worth (which is absolutely nothing), Jason McIntyre is saying the Jets locked up Douglas.
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Texans tried to talk to Joe Douglas when they hired Gaine two years ago, but the Eagles blocked it because they were in the playoffs. Let's see if they take a shot at it.
For what it's worth (which is absolutely nothing), Jason McIntyre is saying the Jets locked up Douglas.
Just came here to post this. Hat tip to Ira from Staten Island.
2 days ago Jason McIntyre was claiming the Jets missed on Douglas because they wouldn’t pay him
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If Douglas ends up with the Texans, I might have to throat-punch a MFer.
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In b4 the jets hire Brian Gaine b/c Chris Johnson knows him
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Mitch Morse in concussion protocol at Bills camp
Duff da Ninja
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Duff da Ninja
The issue was never Morse, he was always considered our backup plan (in our fan eyes anyways)
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I want them to rehire Mike Maccagnan.
So they can fire him again.
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https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1214561181563645952?s=21
We decided to keep Mike McCagnan to run FA and the draft, and he managed to put together the worst blocking OL and TE’s in the league to protect Sam. Wish we hired Douglas at the beginning of the offseason because it feels like Duff really set our franchise back.
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https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1214561181563645952?s=21
We decided to keep Mike McCagnan to run FA and the draft, and he managed to put together the worst blocking OL and TE’s in the league to protect Sam. Wish we hired Douglas at the beginning of the offseason because it feels like Duff really set our franchise back.
I tweeted you a link to Conner Hughes' latest article from the Athletic. Hopefully you have a subscription, because it's worth a read. Joe Douglas goes into detail about how advantageous it was for him to be hired when he was. It sounds like it should pay dividends for us this offseason.
I'm not saying i disagree about keeping Duff around, but there's another perspective which that article focuses on.
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https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1214561181563645952?s=21
We decided to keep Mike McCagnan to run FA and the draft, and he managed to put together the worst blocking OL and TE’s in the league to protect Sam. Wish we hired Douglas at the beginning of the offseason because it feels like Duff really set our franchise back.
Look who's just outside the top 10. Remember when Gase wanted Fells?
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I tweeted you a link to Conner Hughes' latest article from the Athletic. Hopefully you have a subscription, because it's worth a read. Joe Douglas goes into detail about how advantageous it was for him to be hired when he was. It sounds like it should pay dividends for us this offseason.
I'm not saying i disagree about keeping Duff around, but there's another perspective which that article focuses on.
Can you just copy and paste it in the forum?
K thanks, bye
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I tweeted you a link to Conner Hughes' latest article from the Athletic. Hopefully you have a subscription, because it's worth a read. Joe Douglas goes into detail about how advantageous it was for him to be hired when he was. It sounds like it should pay dividends for us this offseason.
I'm not saying i disagree about keeping Duff around, but there's another perspective which that article focuses on.
hey douchey Canadian can you post it, asking for a friend.
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What kind of douche hoards the athletic sub articles to himself? I’m out here slaving away posting Steiny tweets and the board can’t get the hookup? Wow
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What kind of douche hoards the athletic sub articles to himself? I’m out here slaving away posting Steiny tweets and the board can’t get the hookup? Wow
Get back to the Dowell research, poopchute!
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here you go, kids.
https://theathletic.com/1516693/2020/01/08/2020-nfl-draft-whats-the-best-case-scenario-for-joe-douglas-and-the-jets/
It was a challenge Mike Maccagnan talked openly about in the years after his first offseason as Jets general manager. Woody Johnson gave him oversight of the team’s roster construction in January 2015. Four months later, he ran his first draft, selecting six players.
But this wasn’t a normal draft for Maccagnan. He had some intel from his time as the Texans’ Director of College Scouting, but that year needed to rely heavily on the information compiled by a scouting department built by the man he replaced — John Idzik.
The results showed.
Not one of the players Maccagnan drafted is still with the team.
Christopher Johnson, Woody’s brother, fired Maccagnan in May. He hired Joe Douglas shortly thereafter. It wasn’t ideal timing, as Maccagnan’s free agency and draft left much to be desired. Luckily for Douglas, he won’t deal with the same obstacles Maccagnan did that first year.
“When you keep the glass half-full, and you look at the time I was able to come in, I was able to be with the football operations side,” Douglas said. “I didn’t have to rush through implementing a grading scale change, implementing a new philosophy. You didn’t have to hit the ground running with all-star games and the combine right around the corner.
“I really got to get your processes in place, communicate with the people on your staff about what expectations are, how processes are going to change, and what the grading scale’s going to be. We were able to have some exercises in the summer, do some summer work as far as getting guys used to the new grading scale. Not to bore you with all those details, but there were a lot, lot, of benefits of starting when I did.”
The draft is supposed to be Douglas’ speciality, the result from cutting his teeth under one of the greatest talent evaluators in NFL history, Ozzie Newsome. This will be his first chance to show what he can do making all final decisions.
So what’s the best-case scenario for Douglas and the Jets come April?
Here are some options if they trade back from the No. 11 pick, stay put, or look to move up.
Trading back
Douglas spoke about the “strong core” of Jets players he believes can be the foundation for “a lot of future success.” Safety Jamal Adams is already an all-pro while quarterback Sam Darnold is a budding franchise quarterback. New York invested the third overall pick in defensive lineman Quinnen Williams in 2019. There are a handful of others with the potential to develop into difference makers, too.
But the Jets began the season 1-7 for a reason. They’ve missed the postseason nine-straight years for a reason. Johnson gave Douglas a six-year contract for a reason.
This team is still far away from realistically contending for a Super Bowl. If the ideal receiver or offensive lineman isn’t there at No. 11, Douglas could look to trade back to recoup additional draft assets.
After Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa officially declared for the draft, four or five quarterbacks could hear their names called in the first round. LSU’s Joe Burrow and Tagovailoa will likely be the first off the board, with Jordan Love (Utah State), Justin Herbert (Oregon) and Washington’s Jacob Eason to follow.
The Bengals (No. 1), Dolphins (No. 5) and Chargers (No. 6) are the lone teams selecting before the Jets in need of a quarterback. The Raiders (No. 12) and Bucs (No. 14) could look to jump one another to get to the Jets’ selection and grab the next passer.
Douglas might move back a few selections to recoup an additional second- or third-rounder to aid in the talent infusion. That could be useful, considering the Jets need three new starting linemen, two corners, a No. 1 wideout, and depth, well, pretty much everywhere.
Staying put
While not as high as many thought it would be during that terrible 1-7 start, the No. 11 selection is a decent one for what the Jets need. Linemen, cornerback, receiver and pass rusher are atop their list. This class is deep with three of the four, assuming Ohio State defensive end Chase Young doesn’t slide.
Alabama’s Jerry Jeudy is the consensus top wideout in the class. He might fall to the Jets if enough teams trade up for quarterbacks, but, in all likelihood, he’ll be gone. His pass-catching college teammate Henry Ruggs will be there. He’s good. So too should CeeDee Lamb (Oklahoma) and Tee Higgins (Clemson).
There are differing opinions among talent evaluators when it comes to the ranking of the top three tackles in the draft — Georgia’s Andrew Thomas, Iowa’s Tristian Wirfs and Alabama’s Jedrick Willis. The next few weeks should sort that out. Our Dane Brugler has Willis as the top tackle, and off the board well before the Jets pick. Wirfs or Thomas should be there for Douglas. There’s a steep dropoff after that, though.
At corner, Ohio State’s Jeff Okudah might be the best defensive player not named Chase Young. It’s highly unlikely he’s there when the Jets pick. LSU’s Kristian Fulton should be, but it’s hard to imagine the Jets draft him over a wideout or lineman. There’s not enough value.
Trading up
While it’s enticing considering what Young would bring to the defense, it seems unlikely. The Jets have far too many holes to give away selections for one player. While they’d love Young, they can’t part with the capital it would take to get up from No. 11 to No. 2.
What the Jets could do, though, is move back into the first round if a player they value begins to slide. The Jets have a second-round pick and two third-rounders this year, thanks to Dave Gettleman’s mind-boggling decision to trade for defensive end Leonard Williams. That Giants third-round pick is extra valuable because it’s a top-five selection in the round.
If Oklahoma guard Creed Humphrey or Wisconsin center Tyler Biadasz slip toward the end of the first, the Jets could package their second and one of their thirds, or a 2021 pick, to go up and get someone they believe will start from Day 1. Coming away with Wirfs/Thomas, then Biadasz, and signing Patriots guard Joe Thuney would completely revamp their putrid front.
Alabama corners Trevon Diggs and Xavier McKinney, along with Florida’s CJ Henderson, are candidates if the Jets look outside the line. Like Biadasz, they’d all slide in as immediate starters.
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No tradeups SZN
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2 OL with our first 4 picks and Douglas can stay
2 OL and at least 1 WR with first 4 picks. I will allow for RB/TE/OL/EDGE/CB with our 2nd 3rd rounder.
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Hopefully Joe Douglas has the opposite draft philosophy of whatever Mike Maccagnans trash derriere BPA strategy was
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3 DL incoming
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here you go, kids.
https://theathletic.com/1516693/2020/01/08/2020-nfl-draft-whats-the-best-case-scenario-for-joe-douglas-and-the-jets/
I have reported your piracy to the relevant authorities.
Seriously though, thanks for posting.
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Get back to the Dowell research, poopchute!
Loggains Fun Fact (trademark):
We got Gase instead of Rhule because our FO thought there was someone else out there that would do a worse job than Dowell (who, it turns out, doesn’t have a real job or real responsibilities)
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Loggains Fun Fact:
Offensive yardage rankings for the teams Loggains has OC'd the past three years
2017 Bears: 30th
2018 Dolphins: 31st
2019 Jets: 32nd
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Loggains Fun Fact:
Offensive yardage rankings for the teams Loggains has OC'd the past three years
2017 Bears: 30th
2018 Dolphins: 31st
2019 Jets: 32nd
THEY ALL HAD HORRIBLE OFFENSIVE LINES
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Offensive yardage rankings for the teams AFTER Loggains was kicked to the curb
2018 Bears: 21st
2019 Dolphins: 27th
Jets offense Pre-Gase/Loggains
2018 Jets: 29th
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Hahaha...Dowell.
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Hahaha...Dowell.
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Projected Top 51 Cap Space
1. #Dolphins, $93M
2. #Colts , $86M
3. #Bucs, $85M
4. #Bills, $81M
5. #Cowboys, $74M
6. #Giants, $61M
7. #Seahakws, $59M
8. #Broncos, $58M
9. #Texans, $56M
10. #Jets, $55M
#ThankYouDuff
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https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1245094502811029504?s=21
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Does anyone subscribe to Jet X?
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It's telling that he still doesn't have a job anywhere in the league.
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Does anyone subscribe to Jet X?
I took the free one. It’s not bad. Lots of time consuming videos but good info.
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Chaz Hansen is on the Texans if he makes it Duff is a good GM
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https://twitter.com/backaftathis/status/1311105301932896256?s=21
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https://twitter.com/backaftathis/status/1311105301932896256?s=21
Someone tell Fatso that's probably something he shouldn't advertise.
Uttah disastah