Jet Offensive
Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: Libero_2 on April 26, 2019, 08:33:02 AM
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Who are the best guys left on day 2?
Who are your top targets for the Jets on day 2?
Top remaining in no real order
Greedy Williams
Jawaan Taylor
D.K. Metcalf
Hakeem Butler
Erick McCoy
Cody Ford
Bryon Murphy
Dalton Risner
Amani Oruwariye
Top Jets targets assuming we hold at 68
Elgton Jenkins
JJ Arcega-Whiteside
Darrell Henderson
Julian Love
Greg Little
Who else is out there you have your eyes on?
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I’m hoping Hakeem Butler falls to us at the top of the 3rd round
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Top remaining in no real order
Greedy Williams
Jawaan Taylor
D.K. Metcalf
Hakeem Butler
Erick McCoy
Cody Ford
Bryon Murphy
Dalton Risner
Amani Oruwariye
Drew Lock
AJ Brown
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I would trade all the way up for DK or Greedy
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I would trade all the way up for DK or Greedy
I wouldn't, I want some of that OL action.
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I’m hoping Hakeem Butler falls to us at the top of the 3rd round
I always get butler and harry confused. Which was the more we rounded prospect?
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I'd love to see Chase Winovich fall to us.
*dodges JE's coffee cup*
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I'd love to see Chase Winovich fall to us.
*dodges JE's coffee cup*
I'd be quite happy taking Winovich in the 3rd, my problem was with him being mocked in the first by some people.
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I would trade all the way up for DK or Greedy
ALL THE WAY UP
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ALL THE WAY UP
NOTHING CAN STOP ME
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What's the thought on David Long CB from UM?
Seems like he was left on an island the majority of the snaps and seems to have held his own pretty well.
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I wouldn't, I want some of that OL action.
Give me Elgton or give me death
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Give me Elgton or give me death
Absolutely.
Winovich would be also be awesome.
Metcalf, AJ Brown, JJAW, Butler, Ridley, Isabella...I'd love one of those WRs as well.
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Don't trade up, please
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https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/04/cardinals-eyeing-byron-murphy-with-top-pick-in-second-round
Cards leaning toward Byron Murphy tonight.
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https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1121862105769152514
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ALL THE WAY UP
Keep an eye on this one: The #Jets are looking into making a big move all the way from the third round into the early second, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. Would need to give up significant capital in future draft picks.
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Keep an eye on this one: The #Jets are looking into making a big move all the way from the third round into the early second, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. Would need to give up significant capital in future draft picks.
DK, Hakeem Butler, Greedy, Erik McCoy, or Jawaan Taylor plz
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Darron Lee should be enough to get this deal done. He’s a former 1st round pick!
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I say stay put. There's going to be a ton of talent in the third round.
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I say stay put. There's going to be a ton of talent in the third round.
A wise man once told me you can always get a Gord in the latter rounds
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Would it be smart to trade up. Probably not, depending on what they give up and who they take.
But I also don’t want to wait until 9pm to drafturbate
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I really hope it's not all future draft capital. Maybe a package including Lee?
I'm going to probably break things if they trade up and don't take a player on the offensive side of the ball.
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I say stay put. There's going to be a ton of talent in the third round.
As much as we all want a big time player, I can’t justify giving up both 3s and a future 1 or 2 to get up to say 38 for anyone of those guys. We have too many needs to give away future picks and we damn sure aren’t guaranteed to not be picking top 10 next year and giving up a potential top 10 pick for Greedy Williams would scare the excrement out of me.
After pondering some more, if we are going all in, it has to be an offensive lineman. You don’t make that move when we have the 3 WRs we have or the DBs we have, you make that move because we need an offensive lineman and we think one of those guys is a top 15 value that’s still a round. Protecting Sam is the only thing that matters.
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Jets have spoken to at least the Seahawks, who have the No. 37 overall pick, per sources. NYJ does not have the draft capital this year to make a sizeable leap unless it was willing to part with both 3rd rounders, 4th rounder + something else.
A 2020 pick makes more sense
- Manish
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As much as we all want a big time player, I can’t justify giving up both 3s and a future 1 or 2 to get up to say 38 for anyone of those guys. We have too many needs to give away future picks and we damn sure aren’t guaranteed to not be picking top 10 next year and giving up a potential top 10 pick for Greedy Williams would scare the excrement out of me.
If Maccagnan gives up next year's first rounder, I don't care who it's for other than an already established pro, I'm done with him.
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- Manish
Would just the 2020 1st and our 2019 4th get it done? If so that’s an easier pill to swallow.
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If Maccagnan gives up next year's first rounder, I don't care who it's for other than an already established pro, I'm done with him.
It’s either that or both 3rd our 4th and Darron Lee. And still probably a pick next year.
Then we are looking at a 2 man draft.
It’s not worth it Duff. Stay put!
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It’s either that or both 3rd our 4th and Darron Lee. And still probably a pick next year.
Then we are looking at a 2 man draft.
It’s not worth it Duff. Stay put!
This.
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Would you rather have another definite starter at center, edge, or corner
Or
Wait for the talent to be depleted to grab a few role players in Round 3
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If Maccagnan gives up next year's first rounder, I don't care who it's for other than an already established pro, I'm done with him.
If there is a player that you have a 1st-round grade on, it's not terrible to trade a future 1st-round pick for him. I'm not saying I want to do that, but if they think DK Metcalf for example is a top-15 prospect in this draft, moving a future 1st for him is a good move.
On an unrelated note - if Maccagnan really is on the hot seat, he's far more likely to make a splash moving back into the 2nd round today.
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Would you rather have another definite starter at center, edge, or corner
Or
Wait for the talent to be depleted to grab a few role players in Round 3
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I don’t want Nathan Shepherd redux
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Would you rather have another definite starter at center, edge, or corner
Or
Wait for the talent to be depleted to grab a few role players in Round 3
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I would love to draft a superstar in the 2nd round. Let me know when that happens.
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Would you rather have another definite starter at center, edge, or corner
Or
Wait for the talent to be depleted to grab a few role players in Round 3
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Obviously option 1.
But you left out that we also need to give up the option to grab a sure starter / potential star next year if we give up our first rounder to do it.
And with the talent in rounds 2-4 this year we have a better chance of grabbing starters in round 3 than normal.
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Any time you give up a future 1st you're playing with fire. If you're going to do that you have to have at least a late 1st round grade on the player you're moving up for.
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I would move up for Jawaan Taylor (assuming his medicals are fine) but not for Greedy or DK.
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Thank christ we have an excellent track record drafting in the 2nd round.
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Any time you give up a future 1st you're playing with fire. If you're going to do that you have to have at least a late 1st round grade on the player you're moving up for.
Agreed, though if Maccagnan doesn't think he'll be here in 2020, he has little reason to hang onto 2020 picks.
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I would move up for Jawaan Taylor (assuming his medicals are fine) but not for Greedy or DK.
If you want to make that move it has to be for an offensive lineman in my opinion. Sams future is the only thing that matters. We have a strong (not elite) group of playmakers, so that’s not it. Yeah we need a corner but if you give up a future 1 for Greedy he better be the best corner ever, because we don’t have the funds to get a number of O-Lineman to keep Sam upright.
If we make this move it absolutely has to be for a lineman. Taylor, McCoy or Risner IMO.
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Thank christ we have an excellent track record drafting in the 2nd round.
David Harris and Marcus Maye are the only tangible guys we’ve drafted in round 2 in like 15 years. Hell I’d bet going back to 2000 those are 2 of maybe 4 second rounders that started 10 or more games for us consecutively.
Hell the only other names I can even think of that might have done it are John McGraw, Justin Miller and Mike Nugent
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1.) I don't trust Maccagnan to accurately assess value in a trade
2.) I don't trust Maccagnan to pick a contributor in the 2nd round
3.) Giving up multiple picks to trade in the mid-rounds is statistically a terrible decision
4.) Using your future 1st to move up into the 2nd when your team has picked in the top 10 for the last forever is hilariously awful management
Please don't trade up.
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1.) I don't trust Maccagnan to accurately assess value in a trade
2.) I don't trust Maccagnan to pick a contributor in the 2nd round
3.) Giving up multiple picks to trade in the mid-rounds is statistically a terrible decision
4.) Using your future 1st to move up into the 2nd when your team has picked in the top 10 for the last forever is hilariously awful management
Please don't trade up.
I agree with all of this.
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Trading our 1st next year would be additionally risky because let's say a great defensive player like Clowney or Ramsey became available, you'd probably prefer to still have that capital at your disposal.
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1.) I don't trust Maccagnan to accurately assess value in a trade
2.) I don't trust Maccagnan to pick a contributor in the 2nd round
3.) Giving up multiple picks to trade in the mid-rounds is statistically a terrible decision
4.) Using your future 1st to move up into the 2nd when your team has picked in the top 10 for the last forever is hilariously awful management
Please don't trade up.
Agreed on all counts
I’ll even add one.
As critical as this draft is for the future of the franchise, next years is the most important since the 2010 year. going into Darnolds year 3, with (hopefully) year 2 in the same offense, Brady being 43 years old, that’s the year we need to win the division. The 2020 offseason is far more important than this one. Giving away high picks in that draft strongly reduces our chances of ramping up that offseason to its best possible level.
2020 is the year we make crazy future trades when we try to go all in. This year was about stockpiling assets to make the big push next year. If we make this move we freak both of those things squarely in the derriere.
Unless of course we grab a future hall of gamer. But let’s be real, what’s the chances of anything like that?
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We're still at least a year away from serious contention. I'm strongly opposed to trading any future picks.
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1.) I don't trust Maccagnan to accurately assess value in a trade
2.) I don't trust Maccagnan to pick a contributor in the 2nd round
3.) Giving up multiple picks to trade in the mid-rounds is statistically a terrible decision
4.) Using your future 1st to move up into the 2nd when your team has picked in the top 10 for the last forever is hilariously awful management
Please don't trade up.
Agree on 2-4. I think Maccagnan has been a fantastic trader, though.
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Agree on 2-4. I think Maccagnan has been a fantastic trader, though.
In trading outside the draft, sure. At the times we have traded in the draft (though all down) I don't think we got much value in return for how much we gave up. His background is in scouting as well. Not saying it would definitively go wrong but I would certainly worry about it.
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Agreed on all counts
I’ll even add one.
As critical as this draft is for the future of the franchise, next years is the most important since the 2010 year. going into Darnolds year 3, with (hopefully) year 2 in the same offense, Brady being 43 years old, that’s the year we need to win the division. The 2020 offseason is far more important than this one. Giving away high picks in that draft strongly reduces our chances of ramping up that offseason to its best possible level.
2020 is the year we make crazy future trades when we try to go all in. This year was about stockpiling assets to make the big push next year. If we make this move we freak both of those things squarely in the derriere.
Unless of course we grab a future hall of gamer. But let’s be real, what’s the chances of anything like that?
I don't want to trade a future 1st-round pick, but the idea that a pick in 2020 is more important than a pick in 2019 is ridiculous. Picks in 2019 are more important than picks in 2020. If you use the pick this year instead of next year, you'll have a young player in Year 2 in 2020 instead of Year 1. A 2nd-year player is more likely to help next year's roster than a 1st-year player. If you want to win the division next year, relying on rookies is not the way to do it.
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In trading outside the draft, sure. At the times we have traded in the draft (though all down) I don't think we got much value in return for how much we gave up. His background is in scouting as well. Not saying it would definitively go wrong but I would certainly worry about it.
Trading a future mid-round pick for a developmental tackle prospect has paid off about as well as can be expected.
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We're still at least a year away from serious contention. I'm strongly opposed to trading any future picks.
Bingo. Any major move involving next year’s picks reeks of desperation
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I don't want to trade a future 1st-round pick, but the idea that a pick in 2020 is more important than a pick in 2019 is ridiculous. Picks in 2019 are more important than picks in 2020. If you use the pick this year instead of next year, you'll have a young player in Year 2 in 2020 instead of Year 1. A 2nd-year player is more likely to help next year's roster than a 1st-year player. If you want to win the division next year, relying on rookies is not the way to do it.
Trading a possible top 10 pick next year for a pick in the late 30s this year is bad business. No matter how you slice it, a guy we can pick in the top 10-15 a year ago SHOULD be a more talented player/better prospect than we could get today.
It’s not trading a future pick for a nearly equivalent pick in this year’s draft. It’s about the idea we might be trading a potentially elite talent for a top 40 talent. Yes the guy we get today will be in year two. But if next year we took a player equivalent to Devin Bush (who just went 10 yesterday) that guy could be a huge contributor for us even as a rookie.
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Trading a possible top 10 pick next year for a pick in the late 30s this year is bad business. No matter how you slice it, a guy we can pick in the top 10-15 a year ago SHOULD be a more talented player/better prospect than we could get today.
It’s not trading a future pick for a nearly equivalent pick in this year’s draft. It’s about the idea we might be trading a potentially elite talent for a top 40 talent. Yes the guy we get today will be in year two. But if next year we took a player equivalent to Devin Bush (who just went 10 yesterday) that guy could be a huge contributor for us even as a rookie.
I am with you that I'm not dying to trade a future 1st-round pick, but if the Jets end up getting someone this year they have a top-20 grade on, and they end up giving up a pick between 20-32 next year, that could end up being a decent trade if the goal is to win big during Darnold's rookie deal. The No. 25 prospect in Year 2 probably helps us more in 2020 than the No. 12 prospect in Year 1.
If we're picking in the top 10 next year, we fucked up. Granted, that's definitely a possibility given this franchise.
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Would you rather have another definite starter at center, edge, or corner
Or
Wait for the talent to be depleted to grab a few role players in Round 3
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That's a loaded question.
I would love a starting center or edge guy though I'm not sure I want to spend big on a corner.
But I don't want any of them at the expense of next year's first-round pick. If you could guarantee me a Khalil Mack, yes, I'd trade away a future #1 (like I would've done this year) but not for a draftee who has yet to prove a thing in the pros.
We're still at least a year away from serious contention. I'm strongly opposed to trading any future picks.
I agree with the rest of the stuff you posted, but exactly this.
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I don’t want Nathan Shepherd redux
Forgot about Foley Fatukasi. Glad we spent a 2019 pick for a guy to be like 7th on the depth chart
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You give me a 2nd rounder for our third round pick and Darron Lee, I'll take that excrement.
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You give me a 2nd rounder for our third round pick and Darron Lee, I'll take that excrement.
That I think is about the only trade up is going to end up making sense to me.
Oddly enough I bet this doesn’t happen. I’d wager that we go bonkers for a top 40 pick, and then trade Lee to a different team for a 4 or a 5 to get any sort of draft capital back
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You give me a 2nd rounder for our third round pick and Darron Lee, I'll take that excrement.
I'd take that deal. If Maccagnan makes that one, I'll pull back on him. But I don't care how talented a corner is available if he picks anything but offense or edge with it, fire him before he gets a chance to turn in the card.
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told you Arizona would draft Butler lol
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told you Arizona would draft Butler lol
Damn them. But he was the best on the board by far