Jet Offensive
New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Jumbo on April 25, 2019, 07:40:59 PM
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The Quinjet
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Whoopty excrement. Hope he doesn't suck.
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He doesn't have a career in TV co.mentary after football.
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Sp we're playing a 4-3?
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The International House of Pressure
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He's a stud, but I'm really disappointed they couldn't find a trade down.
Looks like they tried to generate a bunch of smoke in the 24 hours before the draft, but that's all it was - smoke.
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The International House of Pressure
No. Stop trying to make that a thing. It's bad.
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Are we letting Leonard Williams walk?
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Are we letting Leonard Williams walk?
Was the first thing I thought
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Can you guys chill the freak out? This is the best player in the draft. Who gives a damn what position he plays...
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No. Stop trying to make that a thing. It's bad.
SBTCTS
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Woke thought:
Leo - Quinnen - Hank
#Blessed
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Can you guys chill the freak out? This is the best player in the draft. Who gives a damn what position he plays...
AR gets it
Stop whining
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SBTCTS
CTS is the best nickname ever.
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Can you guys chill the freak out? This is the best player in the draft. Who gives a damn what position he plays...
Things we said during the 2015 draft for $500, Alex.
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Woke thought:
Leo - Quinnen - Hank
#Blessed
Hopefully Hank stays healthy.
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CTS is the best nickname ever.
Correct
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Correct
Ima start referring to Leo and Quinnen as Venus and Serena.
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Can’t be upset with the pick. Most talented player in the draft.
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I’m not that happy. He’s extremely good but we’re repeating a formula that hasn’t given us such great results in the past. We still desperately need an EDGE. I understand the BPA philosophy but sometimes you need to steer away to have a more complete roster. Won’t complain about getting such a big talent, but I’m not ecstatic about it.
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Can you guys chill the freak out? This is the best player in the draft. Who gives a damn what position he plays...
How are we going to get him, Leonard and Henry Anderson on the field?
I love the player. I just think it's a poor use of assets. Just like when we drafted back-to-back safeties.
If Quinnen is as good as advertised, it won't matter. But if he's merely a good player and not a great player like most of the recent DL we've drafted, it's a poor use of assets.
I don't hate the pick because he's a stud, but I don't know how our front 7 personnel will work now. Hopefully Gregg Williams can make it work.
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I said it in the draft thread but can Quinnen and Leo both stick around so we stop drafting DLine in the first round and actually build a team around Darnold?
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People keep saying “most talented player in the draft”...
Not to nitpick, because I don’t 100% disagree, but he was not the consensus #1 player. Bosa was right there with him, and in my opinion better, and at a more valuable position.
Not complaining, but let’s at least be accurate.
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Daniel Jeremiah had Quinnen at #2 on his board, and I trust his option roughly twice as much as anyone else in the NFL draft universe.
Williams has good size for the position and possesses a rare combination of suddenness, strength and football intelligence. He moved up and down the line of scrimmage in Alabama's defense and was effective at every spot. As a pass rusher, he explodes off the ball, maintains leverage and pushes his opponent into the lap of the quarterback. He also uses a violent club/swim move. Williams is constantly double-teamed, but he still finds a way to generate pressures and sacks. Against the run, he plays with a low pad level, locks his hands inside and violently sheds blocks to pursue the ball carrier. Overall, this is a dominant player who's capable of emerging as a premier interior defensive lineman very early in his NFL career.
Not much to dislike there.
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Fat Fabio had no idea who Daniel Jones is.
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How are we going to get him, Leonard and Henry Anderson on the field?
I love the player. I just think it's a poor use of assets. Just like when we drafted back-to-back safeties.
If Quinnen is as good as advertised, it won't matter. But if he's merely a good player and not a great player like most of the recent DL we've drafted, it's a poor use of assets.
I don't hate the pick because he's a stud, but I don't know how our front 7 personnel will work now. Hopefully Gregg Williams can make it work.
As SFD said, the ideal will be having Quinnen, Leonard, and Hank as our front 3 on 3-4 looks.
My biggest problem right now is the amount of first round picks we've put into this defense, and more specifically this defensive line, and yet we're still constantly working on it.
Q will probably a good player but this is eerily similar to some excrement we've seen before.
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As SFD said, the ideal will be having Quinnen, Leonard, and Hank as our front 3 on 3-4 looks.
My biggest problem right now is the amount of first round picks we've put into this defense, and more specifically this defensive line, and yet we're still constantly working on it.
Q will probably a good player but this is eerily similar to some excrement we've seen before.
Eerily similar, and I don’t think anyone is going to argue that our current DL is more talented than Sheldon - Snacks - Wilkerson. And that defense never amounted to anything.
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my initial reaction is that im underwhelmed because BPA is starting to result in us taking a freaking interior DL every yr and were somehow still reloading at the position 6 years later.
I feel like Oliver wouldve been more of a swing for the fences pick.
Q is very safe, but I just feel like we should be running a 4-3 at this point . I know Gregg Williams likes to do a lot of 46 hybrid blends too but he will find out our CB's arent good enough to send the house like that consistently
Its not anything against Q because hes obviously a good prospect, im just weary of a 1 yr production guy surrounded by Bamas talent. I think he will be a beast though and once he hits the field we will all be laughing about any of us scoffing at the selection
I'm just tired of not having an edge rusher or at the least an OLB who can move like hes not stuck in quicksand.
Pressure is pressure, but if we let Leo walk and were in the same position with a void in the trenches this time next year, Mac needs to be thrown off a freaking building.
I think the biggest bright spot to this pick though is Leo will have 0 freaking excuses now that teams cant double him and Q every snap.
Now we need OL and CB badly. too bad it will be slim pickings by rd 3. We need to pray Elgton Jenkins somehow falls
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CTS is the best nickname ever.
Who dat
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Who dat
Craftsman Truck Series
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really hope they give Anderson more snaps, he should be getting 1 on1s and shitting on people now
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I said it in the draft thread but can Quinnen and Leo both stick around so we stop drafting Data in the first round and actually build a team around Darnold?
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i will say though even though we did nothing but draft interior DL i will say Q is by far the best one weve taken.
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I’m just getting caught up... I’m completely saddened that we have another interior DL we got. I was really hoping for a trade down we need more assets more than we need another guy who causes considerable hidden production. Especially since we don’t have anyone to feast on the actual production that guys like Q and Leo and Hank force.
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my initial reaction is that im underwhelmed because BPA is starting to result in us taking a freaking interior DL every yr and were somehow still reloading at the position 6 years later.
I think 99% of the people feeling any frustration over this pick will agree. Millner being an injury case hate us in the secondary and Wilk, Sheldon, Pryor all talking themselves out of their roster spots hurt as well. Even when we pick talented defensive players they tend to wear out their welcome here.
Pressure is pressure, but if we let Leo walk and were in the same position with a void in the trenches this time next year, Mac needs to be thrown off a freaking building.
100% agree, unless Shepherd somehow turns into a useful player I cannot wait to hear the how DLine is a draft need for us next season.
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time to hop on the train otherwise the Jets will give me early onset stomach cancer
all jokes aside, he was arguably the best player in the draft and a incredibly safe pick.
we just need to strike gold in the 3rd
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sunshiner angle
i dont see anyone being able to run on this defense between our front 3 and Avery and Mosely
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https://twitter.com/leonardwilliams/status/1098983640195715072?s=20
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Really not sure what you're going for with this one.
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Things we said during the 2015 draft for $500, Alex.
Tell me who we could have taken with that pick that would have been better than Leo?
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1121581943483711489?s=20
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Really not sure what you're going for with this one.
stop drafting Data in the first round
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How are we going to get him, Leonard and Henry Anderson on the field?
Quinnen can play nose tackle.
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F*cking auto correct, didn't even notice it.
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No. Stop trying to make that a thing. It's bad.
I didn’t come up with it.
It’s his favorite restaurant. I believe SI came up with it.
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IHOP >>>>>>> CTS
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IHOP >>>>>>> CTS
It is known
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Tell me who we could have taken with that pick that would have been better than Leo?
If you’re asking seriously, and since I’m a dick:
Frank Clark, David Johnson, Danielle Hunter, Henry Anderson
Edit: Shaq Mason, Stefon Diggs
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If you’re asking seriously, and since I’m a dick:
Frank Clark, David Johnson, Danielle Hunter, Henry Anderson
Edit: Shaq Mason, Stefon Diggs
Are you high?
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Are you high?
Unfortunately, no, and that’s the first time I’ve ever given that answer to that question
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Are you high?
That’s a dumb question. Of course he is.
Edit: wow, I guess not.
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i will say though even though we did nothing but draft interior DL i will say Q is by far the best one weve taken.
Is that a consensus opinion?
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Is that a consensus opinion?
Predraft, I would have him rated higher than Sheldon, Leo and Wilk. So yes
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I can't wait to watch every Quinnen Williams video I can find on the internet when I get home to get a better idea of how he could fit.
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Predraft, I would have him rated higher than Sheldon, Leo and Wilk. So yes
But what about Dewayne Robertson?
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Tom Brady's pocket in 2019:
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I can't wait to watch every Quinnen Williams video I can find on the internet when I get home to get a better idea of how he could fit.
He can play 0 through 9 on the DL.
His best fit is probably 2i and 3 tech because he’s incredibly disruptive inside.
55 pressures in 2018.
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He can play 0 through 9 on the DL.
His best fit is probably 2i and 3 tech because he’s incredibly disruptive inside.
55 pressures in 2018.
So if this was your defense, what’s the plan to get the best players on the field?
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Rex Ryan (I know, I know) said Williams is the best blocking reading DL he’s ever evaluated.
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So if this was your defense, what’s the plan to get the best players on the field?
Anderson - Quinnen - Leo - Jenkins
Lee - Mosley - Williamson
Adams - Maye
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Anderson - Quinnen - Leo - Jenkins
Lee - Mosley - Williamson
Adams - Maye
Didn’t Hank struggle hard as a 4-3 guy for the Colts which is why they traded him to us for a tennis ball?
But that’s the best organization I can see either
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21 years old for basically the whole season.
You guy see what he looks like. He’s a kid. Imagine when he matures a bit physically.
Sky’s the limit.
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Didn’t Hank struggle hard as a 4-3 guy for the Colts which is why they traded him to us for a tennis ball?
But that’s the best organization I can see either
I’m not looking at it like a 4-3.
If you put Anderson is a 4-6 tech, he’ll be fine. He won’t have to face any double teams with Leo and Quinnen out there. Jenkins can just be a stand up 6 or 7 tech.
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Anderson - Quinnen - Leo - Jenkins
Lee - Mosley - Williamson
Adams - Maye
So you see us keeping Lee at this point? And how do you see the defense looking when we go nickel?
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So you see us keeping Lee at this point? And how do you see the defense looking when we go nickel?
Until he’s traded, I’m including him. Doubt he’ll make it to Sunday though...
If we go nickel, the front should look very similar. Just take an LB off and move Adams closer to the LOS.
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https://twitter.com/TheAdamsEra/status/1121575854574845952 (https://twitter.com/TheAdamsEra/status/1121575854574845952)
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26605988/jets-take-alabama-dt-williams-3rd-pick
Got a few Macc quotes in there.
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Until he’s traded, I’m including him. Doubt he’ll make it to Sunday though...
If we go nickel, the front should look very similar. Just take an LB off and move Adams closer to the LOS.
The good news for us is that this LB class sucks. Now that TB has White and Pitt has Bush, anybody needing an inside backer has to be exploring Lee as an option.
Honestly I’m now curious what Maxx does to get more selections. We need more talent and don’t have much in the way of asssets. Moving Lee is one option, moving Robby Anderson and or Leo are others. Lee is the only move that makes sense, otherwise we just open a hole to get a pick that we then need to replace with that selection.
The other concerning thought I had earlier, is that Mac could panic and trade both 3rds to move up into the second for a center prospect such as McCoy or Jenkins.
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Please stop suggesting that we’ll trade Robby Anderson
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i'm going to back this kid 100% because he's a jet now and hope for the best, but it's just annoying thinking about how we've gone from 2006-2019 in a 34 without ever finding a good/great/elite pass rushing EDGE. i thought this was going to be the year. the only way you can get these pass rushers nowadays is early in the draft as they hardly, if ever, hit free agency, and we're not going to pick at the #3 spot every year. that's not the plan, and if that happens again then things are going horribly wrong. this was the year to draft an EDGE.
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The Rams had a really hard time generating pressure last year without an EDGE.
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The Rams had a really hard time generating pressure last year without an EDGE.
The Rams also had Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh. We don't have that. And they still felt like they needed to trade for Dante Fowler.
And when it came down to facing the Patriots, none of that mattered.
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The Rams also had Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh. We don't have that. And they still felt like they needed to trade for Dante Fowler.
And when it came down to facing the Patriots, none of that mattered.
In fairness, a lot of that didn't matter because their quarterback excrement his pants as soon as the whistle blew.
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A) were not trading Anderson
B) i would trade both 3rds for McCoy in a heartbeat. not Jenkins though
were pretty much going to be looking at Cajuste, McGovern, Little, Gailard, and whatever else is left at OL
then probably taking a flyer on a OLB or CB
McCoy is just slightly behind Bradbury IMO. still a top 5 interior OL in this draft. I have little faith in Mac to do the right thing outside of rd 1. so i would feel comfortable if we did hedge our bets on an early 2nd rd pick
then again I liked Devin Smith also, thought he tracked a deep pass better than any WR in that draft. little did I know he was made out of glass
all jokes aside, if you told me drafting McCoy was guaranteed in a trade up, i would do it. I dont like the depth at CB or what will be available in the 3rd enough to pass on a plug and play player like McCoy considering Osemle and Winters age and the fact Harrison is a C+ player at best .
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thanks good sir, new avy, who dis?
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The Rams also had Aaron Donald and Ndamukong Suh. We don't have that. And they still felt like they needed to trade for Dante Fowler.
And when it came down to facing the Patriots, none of that mattered.
yeah it did. they only let up 13 points the whole game
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We really should run a 4-3. It makes zero sense not to considering our personnel
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We really should run a 4-3. It makes zero sense not to considering our personnel
like i said earlier, i do know that Gregg likes to run 46 hybrid types . but honestly our CB's arent good enough to hold up in coverage imo
but yeah 4-3 makes way more sense than 3-4
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but the 3 man front will be the easiest and most effective way to get anderson Q and Leo on the field
anderson doesnt fit on the edge in a 4 man front
Gregg will figure it out and run multiple looks though, were just 1 more year away from fleshing this roster out fully
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Playing a 3-4 means that we just drafted a nose tackle at 3rd overall in 2019, which probably isn't a great plan.
Playing a 4-3 means that Henry Anderson is severely overpaid.
I assume we'll be very multiple this year, but we will need some more help on the edge.
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Playing a 3-4 means that we just drafted a nose tackle at 3rd overall in 2019, which probably isn't a great plan.
Playing a 4-3 means that Henry Anderson is severely overpaid.
I assume we'll be very multiple this year, but we will need some more help on the edge.
You don’t have to have a true nose in a 3-4, especially with the talent we have at ILB.
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You don’t have to have a true nose in a 3-4, especially with the talent we have at ILB.
i agree with this
especially when theres enough talent at the 3 spots that a team cant double team more than 1 guy per play otherwise an ILB is going to get a free release or your going to lose to Anderson, or Q or Leo
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Big Baby Williams is what I’m calling him
He looks like a giant baby and he is the younger Williams
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Big Baby Williams is what I’m calling him
He looks like a giant baby and he is the younger Williams
Serena
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Also, I realize I have been negative in this thread but that is mostly because they couldnt find a trade down. Q is a stud as a player. I think he was the best player there for our pick.
We have a chance to be an elite defense up the middle. DT, ILB and S all are above average with upside to be great.
Our run defense should be back to the elite level it was a few years ago. I still worry about the pass defense though Williams will help
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Man Quinnen is fun to watch. I think he will be a cornerstone for a while. And I like that he is still so young.
I loved the thought of more picks but Q and Bosa were the 2 elite players in this draft and we got one of them, so that is very exciting. Get talent and figure out the rest later.
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Does this mean we can steal the Williams Wall moniker from the Vikings?
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Serena
The Quinjet
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I came here for the highlight reels with the bad modern hip hop tracks people usually post in the drafted player threads.
y u so lazy this year JO
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I came here for the highlight reels with the bad modern hip hop tracks people usually post in the drafted player threads.
y u so lazy this year JO
Sorry MC, we'll do better.
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https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/3/8/18252958/nfl-draft-2019-quinnen-williams-new-york-jets-scouting-report-defensive-tackle-alabama
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bH54FvuCOHQ
This is one of the most dominant performances I’ve ever watched
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I don't know if anyone else saw it, but there was a graph someone put together that mapped out pass play/run play effectiveness + number of snaps for all the top DL prospects and it showed QW far and away the best of the pack.
I was going nuts trying to find it yesterday but couldn't remember where I saw it. Either reddit or twitter.
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I don't know if anyone else saw it, but there was a graph someone put together that mapped out pass play/run play effectiveness + number of snaps for all the top DL prospects and it showed QW far and away the best of the pack.
I was going nuts trying to find it yesterday but couldn't remember where I saw it. Either reddit or twitter.
(https://i.imgur.com/mchPeea.jpg)
Courtesy of u/keithyp24 using pff data
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/bc2d1x/interior_defensive_linemen_runstop_pass_rush/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/bc2d1x/interior_defensive_linemen_runstop_pass_rush/)
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freak yeah
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When he get them braces off he gonna be a snack boi thicc af too
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I mean just look at this nonsense. That's a double team and a hold and he still gets to the quarterback faster than I can scratch my derriere.
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2019 - Quinnen Williams - DT (3)
2015 - Leonard Williams - DT (6)
2013 - Sheldon Richardson - DT (13)
2012 - Quinton Coples - DE (16)
2011 - Muhammed Wilkerson - DT (30)
2008 - Vernon Gholston - DE (6)
2003 - Dewayne Robertson - DT (4)
2002 - Bryan Thomas - DE (22)
2000 - Shaun Ellis - DE (12)
2000 - John Abraham - DE (13)
10 first round DL in the last 20 years.
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Where Collin Ferrell at?
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2019 - Quinnen Williams - DT (3)
2015 - Leonard Williams - DT (6)
2013 - Sheldon Richardson - DT (13)
2012 - Quinton Coples - DE (16)
2011 - Muhammed Wilkerson - DT (30)
2008 - Vernon Gholston - DE (6)
2003 - Dewayne Robertson - DT (4)
2002 - Bryan Thomas - DE (22)
2000 - Shaun Ellis - DE (12)
2000 - John Abraham - DE (13)
10 first round DL in the last 20 years.
When you add in DBs whaat is that 15 of the last 20 years worth of 1st rounders we’ve taken either a DB or a DL?
Adams
Milner
Wilson
Revis
The only exceptions off the top of my head
Mangold
D’Brick
Sanchez
Darnold
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2019 - Quinnen Williams - DT (3)
2015 - Leonard Williams - DT (6)
2013 - Sheldon Richardson - DT (13)
2012 - Quinton Coples - DE (16)
2011 - Muhammed Wilkerson - DT (30)
2008 - Vernon Gholston - DE (6)
2003 - Dewayne Robertson - DT (4)
2002 - Bryan Thomas - DE (22)
2000 - Shaun Ellis - DE (12)
2000 - John Abraham - DE (13)
10 first round DL in the last 20 years.
With only 2 who were truly worthy of the spots they were picked at. Crazy to think of that one year,2000, landing some incredible DL talent along with probably our best blocking/worst catching TE in years, and a QB who would have done so much better had he been more durable. Has anyone since us had 4 picks in the first?
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When you add in DBs whaat is that 15 of the last 20 years worth of 1st rounders we’ve taken either a DB or a DL?
Adams
Milner
Wilson
Revis
Also Pryor, plus we've twice taken LBs in that time (Lee and Vilma).
First round picks on O in 20 years:
Mangold
D’Brick
Sanchez
Darnold
Pennington
Becht
Moss
We've selected more defensive linemen in the last 20 years than we have offensive players. D:O ratio is 17:7. Still, at least we've had an absolutely dominant defense that has carried us to multiple postseason wins in that time, eh?
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Also Pryor, plus we've twice taken LBs in that time (Lee and Vilma).
First round picks on O in 20 years:
Mangold
D’Brick
Sanchez
Darnold
Pennington
Becht
Moss
We've selected more defensive linemen in the last 20 years than we have offensive players. D:O ratio is 17:7. Still, at least we've had an absolutely dominant defense that has carried us to multiple postseason wins in that time, eh?
What do we have 6 postseason wins since Chad took over in 02?
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What do we have 6 postseason wins since Chad took over in 02?
Yep. We're in our second longest playoff drought in team history (not far off a decade since our last appearance in the postseason) and yet we just keep on spending premium draft picks on defensive players because they're BPA on the GM's board, because apparently one more DT is suddenly going to be the difference maker.
I'm not even mad about the Williams pick because if you look at who else was a viable option at #3 there's no one who leaps out as an obviously more exciting alternative, even if there are players I would have preferred. I'm just terminally bored of the same relentless determination to draft non-skill players every year.
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Yep. We're in our second longest playoff drought in team history (not far off a decade since our last appearance in the postseason) and yet we just keep on spending premium draft picks on defensive players because they're BPA on the GM's board, because apparently one more DT is suddenly going to be the difference maker.
I'm not even mad about the Williams pick because if you look at who else was a viable option at #3 there's no one who leaps out as an obviously more exciting alternative, even if there are players I would have preferred. I'm just terminally bored of the same relentless determination to draft non-skill players every year.
This is why I wanted a trade down so badly if Bosa was gone. All the top skill guys are going between 33 and 75 today. To get multiple cracks at that group would be huge.
Can you imagine having a duo of any of the following 10 guys as opposed to maybe 1 if we are lucky?
McCoy
Taylor
Butler
Metcalf
Risner
Ford
Arcega-Whiteside
Henderson
Irv Smith
Jenkins
But as angered as we all are at another defensive lineman, our problem is that we can’t draft period in any round. Collectively our drafts have sucked since 2000 (and long before I’m sure) and the vast majority of guys we pick end up as solid players at best and off the team in.2 years or less at worst. Until the collective drafts improve then nothing else matters.
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This is why I wanted a trade down so badly if Bosa was gone. All the top skill guys are going between 33 and 75 today. To get multiple cracks at that group would be huge.
Everyone wanted a trade down, Maccagnan particularly. But like I've said repeatedly, there's no such thing as a trade down, only teams who want to trade up. I'm guessing that with Murray and Bosa gone at 1 and 2, there were no teams calling for #3.
I don't know if or how Maccagnan could have handled things differently yesterday. I'm just deeply unexcited about the outcome, it feels like we've been here a load of times before and I don't feel like we added any wins yesterday.
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2019 - Quinnen Williams - DT (3)
2015 - Leonard Williams - DT (6)
2013 - Sheldon Richardson - DT (13)
2012 - Quinton Coples - DE (16)
2011 - Muhammed Wilkerson - DT (30)
2008 - Vernon Gholston - DE (6)
2003 - Dewayne Robertson - DT (4)
2002 - Bryan Thomas - DE (22)
2000 - Shaun Ellis - DE (12)
2000 - John Abraham - DE (13)
10 first round DL in the last 20 years.
For poops and giggles...Off top of my head, how I would rank those dudes as prospects in their respective drafts (give or take a spot):
1. Quinnen Williams
2. Leonard Williams
--next tier--
3. Vernon Gholston
4. Dewayne Robertson
5. John Abraham
6. Sheldon Richardson
7. Shaun Ellis
8. Quinton Coples
9. Muhammed Wilkerson
10. Bryan Thomas (sooo disappointed when we took him over the player I coveted, Ed Reed)
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Everyone wanted a trade down, Maccagnan particularly. But like I've said repeatedly, there's no such thing as a trade down, only teams who want to trade up. I'm guessing that with Murray and Bosa gone at 1 and 2, there were no teams calling for #3.
I don't know if or how Maccagnan could have handled things differently yesterday. I'm just deeply unexcited about the outcome, it feels like we've been here a load of times before and I don't feel like we added any wins yesterday.
our trade down prospects were severely hindered by the giants being at 6 and drafting stupidly. nobody needs to trade up for a QB when the giants draft a reach at 6. all the redskins had to do was stay put and haskins fell to them. if the giants were a legit threat to draft haskins then maybe the redskins would have considered a trade up.
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Also Pryor, plus we've twice taken LBs in that time (Lee and Vilma).
First round picks on O in 20 years:
Mangold
D’Brick
Sanchez
Darnold
Pennington
Becht
Moss
We've selected more defensive linemen in the last 20 years than we have offensive players. D:O ratio is 17:7. Still, at least we've had an absolutely dominant defense that has carried us to multiple postseason wins in that time, eh?
This is a league that greatly favors the passing attack and a division containing the most coddled QB possibly ever. Of course, the best strategy is to keep drafting defense and not worry about trying to outscore him.
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This isn't the worst possible thing that could've happened, but it's not great either. Don't tell me Washington wasn't on the phone with Maccagnan talking trade. Snyder had a hard-on for Haskins all along, and there was no way for him to know Gettleman would be such an idiot.
I don't see how Williams is so game-changing that getting more picks, therefore more selections, wasn't a better option--even if the Jets didn't get a "great" return. I was all-in on not trading down, but I really thought this team would at least draft edge, if not a player on the offensive side.
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so the wise GM thing to do would have been to trade out of 3 for a mediocre return and try to take sweat or burns?
or take this board's favorite OT who is still on the board?
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No one should be upset about not trading down yesterday after seeing what happened to Dwayne Haskins. There was no demand, period.
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I'm fine with it, always been a big believer in being strong at the line of scrimmage. Only problem I have is we draft these guys and don't want to pay them, so they leave and we suck. Then we get a top 5 pick and just have to keep replacing them.
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No one should be upset about not trading down yesterday after seeing what happened to Dwayne Haskins. There was no demand, period.
The most demand might have been for Williams and clearly there wasn't a strong enough offer for us to pass on him.
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No one should be upset about not trading down yesterday after seeing what happened to Dwayne Haskins. There was no demand, period.
I think the value of rounds 2-4 was on display last night. Nobody was comfortable moving up and not getting to dip into the 2nd/3rd round pools of talent. The only team to move for real was Pitt. And they desperately need a position where only two guys existed. If there had been 4 I doubt Pitt would have moved either
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I'm fine with it, always been a big believer in being strong at the line of scrimmage. Only problem I have is we draft these guys and don't want to pay them, so they leave and we suck. Then we get a top 5 pick and just have to keep replacing them.
Wilkerson got paid and sucked
Sheldon talked his way out of town
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I think the value of rounds 2-4 was on display last night. Nobody was comfortable moving up and not getting to dip into the 2nd/3rd round pools of talent. The only team to move for real was The Steelers And they desperately need a position where only two guys existed. If there had been 4 I doubt The Steelers would have moved either
FTFY
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The #Jets have a Josh McCown-Sam Darnold 2018 situation at nose tackle with Steve McLendon and Quinnen Williams. Big Mac, 33, is a hard worker and consummate pro. Williams, 21, will learn from being around him. Both born and raised in Alabama.
Cimini
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It is nice that the top 3 sackers last season were all interior defensive linemen. If people are worried that this isn't a typical position to generate pass rush from, the current NFL landscape might dictate otherwise.
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I still don't understand a word he is saying, but at least he's polite. https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1121933553455861760?s=19
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Q will wear #95
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Q will wear #95
Elite number
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Elite number
Bless You, Thank You
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https://mobile.twitter.com/c_1eyel/status/1121558577036967936
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nyjets/status/1126905181071921153
Q presser from rookie orientation
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I think it's an embarrassment that he had to wait two weeks for his press conference.
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Fire Gase NOW!
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Fire Gase NOW!
Agreed
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BLESS U
THANK U
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I FEEL LIKE KYLER MURRAY IS NOT... NAH I'M GOOD.
I love this kid.
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has anybody ever met anybody named kyler that wasn't a complete tool?
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has anybody ever met anybody named kyler that wasn't a complete tool?
Well I've never met anyone named Kyler.
So I can't say that I have
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Well I've never met anyone named Kyler.
So I can't say that I have
Seems like your answer is no then
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i didn't realize Quinnen hasn't signed yet. Let's go big Doug.
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Bust
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breed tub
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breed tub
pretty sure thats hand breed tub sir......
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
The #Jets rookies report today and No. 3 overall pick DL Quinnen Williams is still unsigned. The team planned for him to fly in Thursday, but he was not on the flight. Similar to last year with Sam Darnold, NYJ’s first rounder may not report with his teammates.
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Bring back Mac.
In all seriousness what's with the teams inability to sign it's freaking rookies
Is this predominantly because we've had a change in GM, and thus had a period of no GM at all?
Get these young talented players, and then can't even get them to training camp. It's like we don't wanna put guys in the best position to succeed
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Who gives a excrement?
This is a non-issue.
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Three of the top six picks in the 2019 draft are yet to sign their contracts. The Giants and Niners each have two rookies as yet unsigned. This isn't a Jets thing.
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Who gives a excrement?
This is a non-issue.
Get it done anyway...why risk it being an issue?
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Get it done anyway...why risk it being an issue?
Darnold
Thomas
Bosa
Fowler
Three of the last four #3 picks held out into training camp. The fourth guy missed it altogether on IR.
Not a big deal. Especially not for a team that just nuked their front office two months ago.
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NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the holdup in Quinnen Williams' contract talks is "deferment of signing bonus money."
Williams wants more of his bonus paid out this year while he is still a resident of Alabama, where the tax rate is lower than New Jersey. The Jets are apparently proposing the lowest percentage of a Year 1 signing bonus that they have ever offered to a first-round pick under the new CBA. Sam Darnold held out the first few days of camp last year before eventually signing.
Sounds like the Jets are being assholes for no reason if I understand this correctly
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NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the holdup in Quinnen Williams' contract talks is "deferment of signing bonus money."
Williams wants more of his bonus paid out this year while he is still a resident of Alabama, where the tax rate is lower than New Jersey. The Jets are apparently proposing the lowest percentage of a Year 1 signing bonus that they have ever offered to a first-round pick under the new CBA. Sam Darnold held out the first few days of camp last year before eventually signing.
Sounds like the Jets are being assholes for no reason if I understand this correctly
If that really is the holdup, this a non cap issue (when the bonus is paid). It’s not like if he’s a disaster and we decide to cut him in a year then he still gets his bonus money.
Just pay him so he gets into camp
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I get the whole “don’t set bad precedents with contracts” but for fucks sake just pay it and be done
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I get the whole “don’t set bad precedents with contracts” but for fucks sake just pay it and be done
Agreed. This is getting done sooner or later- just get it done.
I hate all this controversy surrounding the Jets just prior to camp.
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What controversy?
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An absolute circus
I see that nothing has changed
Fire Joe Douglas immediately
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What controversy?
An absolute circus
I see that nothing has changed
Fire Joe Douglas immediately
You guys quickly forgot how Sam Darnold's deal took too long last year and he went on to have the worst rookie season of all time, then became a complete locker room cancer.
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You guys quickly forgot how Sam Darnold's deal took too long last year and he went on to have the worst rookie season of all time, then became a complete locker room cancer.
Fire Douglas, trade Darnold, murder Gase.
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it's done
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Last unsigned first-round pick now had a deal: No. 3 overall pick Quinnen Williams and Jets just reached agreement on four-year deal, per source. Williams now will be reporting to work immediately.
Lazy freak
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No, freak this
I want more controversy
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Always good to be in camp. Hopefully he was already in town
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No, freak this
I want more controversy
They let Bell take his conditioning test twice. Overworking guys already. Exclusive insider story by Manish to follow.
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They let Bell take his conditioning test twice. Overworking guys already. Exclusive insider story by Manish to follow.
Le'veon Bell turned up to camp so out of condition that he had to take the conditioning test with the linemen just so he didn't look bad.
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Connor Hughes @Connor_J_Hughes
Quinnen Williams said he worked out at Alabama and Georgia Tech during the break. He didn’t work with any performance specialist because “I have YouTube” #Jets
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"Quinnen Williams refuses to take instruction. Clearly, a 'know-it-all' rookie who just doesn't 'get it'. That's not going to go over well with this coaching staff or the veterans in the locker room."
Not a snap played yet, and already a bust. Same old Jets.
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Connor Hughes:
#Jets DL Quinnen Williams on his Madden rating: “Its an 80 in Ultimate Team ... I’m gonna go play with myself when I get home ... That sounded weird.
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Connor Hughes:
Video of it
https://www.facebook.com/Jets/videos/428203027803311/
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Video of it
https://www.facebook.com/Jets/videos/428203027803311/
we dont deserve him
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Imagine when he hits puberty
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Q is gonna be a problem
https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1162403201200656384?s=21
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Q is gonna be a problem
https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1162403201200656384?s=21
Nope, Cimini said he had a "down" game
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1162194909224476673?s=20
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Q is gonna be a problem
https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1162403201200656384?s=21
Matty Ice owes Q a beer for not smashing through his knee.
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Matty Ice owes Q a beer for not smashing through his knee.
Owes him a Natty Ice
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The NFL has decided to fine rookie New York Jets defensive lineman Quinnen Williams for his actions in Week 2 of the preseason, per NFL Network reporter Tom Pelissero.
Williams has been fined $21,056 for a late hit on Falcons quarterback Matt Schaub in the second quarter of the Jets-Falcons game on August 15. The play occurred on Schaub's first snap of the game after coming on for starter Matt Ryan.
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Did he even get flagged for that hit? Hell I don’t even remember it
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Did he even get flagged for that hit? Hell I don’t even remember it
IIRC he did not
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He was not flagged
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Josh Allen and Brian Burns look amazing so far. Hopefully Q comes back healthy after the BYE and dominates.
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Josh Allen and Brian Burns look amazing so far. Hopefully Q comes back healthy after the BYE and dominates.
Would be nice for a top 3 overall pick to contribute. I know it's a long shot for us but we can hope.
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Would be nice for a top 3 overall pick to contribute. I know it's a long shot for us but we can hope.
It's ok! If he doesn't pan out we'll just take another one in the top 10 next year! They're not busts, they just get double teamed, don't forget!
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It's ok! If he doesn't pan out we'll just take another one in the top 10 next year! They're not busts, they just get double teamed, don't forget!
Sir
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Q certainly made an impact in yesterday’s game
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Yeah, was nice to see. The 4th down stop on Dak was huge.
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Q certainly made an impact in yesterday’s game
Officially his first start. He needs to learn how to stay on his feet a little more often but after that he's going to be a juggernaut.
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https://twitter.com/christinasbuzz/status/1185309451793903618?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jetsnihilist/status/1193617162721734664?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jetsnihilist/status/1193617162721734664?s=21
So we expect him to run down Golden Tate now?
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These bitch derriere fans will complain about anything
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There hasn't been a flag in like 5 minutes. Seems like forever.
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Berrios may not contribute elsewhere on offense, but he freaking catches the punt and he'd probably have 800 yards receiving with the Pats by now, so he's good in my book.
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The Giants corners are almost as bad as ours with Jenkins out. No reason to run much other than clock killing
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The Giants corners are almost as bad as ours with Jenkins out. No reason to run much other than clock killing
YOU ARE IN THE WRONG THREAD MOTHER FUCKER
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YOU ARE IN THE WRONG THREAD MOTHER FUCKER
Good lord, haha.
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Waiting for Heismanberg to change his stance on Quinnen
I remember when Calvin Pryor was “the best player on our defense”
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Waiting for Heismanberg to change his stance on Quinnen
I remember when Calvin Pryor was “the best player on our defense”
I never said that Calvin Pryor was the best player on our defense.
It’s also completely absurd for people to call Quinnen a bad draft pick because he isn’t Aaron Donald. He’s barely 21 years old and we have the worst ILBs in the NFL. Gregg is using him to keep blockers out of the second level.
We destroyed the NYG run game yesterday and he was a part of that.
If you think he was a bad pick, you are a whiny player of the pink oboe.
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If you think he was a bad pick, you are a whiny player of the pink oboe.
Pope is a whiny player of the pink oboe regardless.
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How was he a bad draft pick? Even when he's double-teamed, Q Williams gets closer to the QB than L Williams ever did here. This team's front 7 is Q, an old McClendon, and a bunch of practice squad players.
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Starting to come around on the Q was overdrafted line of thinking, sadly. He's playing well against the run when he actually gets in, at least, but the 3rd overall pick needs to be better than that. Ed Oliver has 5 sacks for comparison.
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Starting to come around on the Q was overdrafted line of thinking, sadly. He's playing well against the run when he actually gets in, at least, but the 3rd overall pick needs to be better than that. Ed Oliver has 5 sacks for comparison.
He's a rookie. I'm going to be patient with him. He's still only 21 years old. Look at the jump Fatukasi made from Year 1 to Year 2. Not happy with what he's shown so far, but he's also part of the reason our run defense is great.
Here's a Twitter thread where someone put together some of his better reps. https://twitter.com/RocTheJetsFan/status/1200842337737486336
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He's a rookie. I'm going to be patient with him. He's still only 21 years old. Look at the jump Fatukasi made from Year 1 to Year 2. Not happy with what he's shown so far, but he's also part of the reason our run defense is great.
Here's a Twitter thread where someone put together some of his better reps. https://twitter.com/RocTheJetsFan/status/1200842337737486336
I agree that it's too soon to judge in general, but you'd think the 3rd overall pick could be putting together something outside of stopping the run.
I also saw that post on reddit, at least half the plays in that thread are typical/unimpressive at best.
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I agree that it's too soon to judge in general, but you'd think the 3rd overall pick could be putting together something outside of stopping the run.
I also saw that post on reddit, at least half the plays in that thread are typical/unimpressive at best.
Yup. We've been doing this for years, attempting to justify why our high picks are actually better than they appear because of all the unflashy things they do that don't appear on highlight reels and stat sheets. freak that noise, I want the third overall pick to be doing dominant things that make opposing teams plan for them.
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I agree that it's too soon to judge in general, but you'd think the 3rd overall pick could be putting together something outside of stopping the run.
I also saw that post on reddit, at least half the plays in that thread are typical/unimpressive at best.
I agree that a lot of those plays are stretches, but they're the type of plays you could see becoming bigger plays as he gets more acclimated to the NFL.
I hate that we have to dig this deep to figure out why our top-5 picks are making impacts, but it is what it is.
I hold out hope that Quinnen can take a big step forward next season because he needs to in order to justify the pick.
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While I'm sure people will harp on him only being 21, and it's entirely true that he's going to substantially mature physically and as a player the next 5 years.
It's absofuckinglutely terrifying that we drafted a 3rd overall pick who is a project.
Our front 7 is essentially made up of udfa and practice squad players and this dude can't even get on the field. To expect him to become a legit contributer next year is absolute madness.
If we're extremely lucky he will be a good player in 2 years.
Regardless excrement like this makes me glad Mac is out. Risking such a valuable pick on a guy who essentially had one year of college ball.
It's even more disappointing when you look at the next 4 or 5 defensive players drafted after Williams. And most of them are having very good rookie years
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It's absofuckinglutely terrifying that we drafted a 3rd overall pick who is a project.
Stopped reading here. Calling Q a project is asinine.
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I haven't given up on Q but we wouldn't be any worse off had we just reached for an OL.
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Stopped reading here. Calling Q a project is asinine.
As soon as a prospect struggles as a rookie, people retroactively call him a project. Yes, Q had just one year of college, but he also dominated in the SEC.
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I haven't given up on Q but we wouldn't be any worse off had we just reached for an OL.
This is why tanking is a waste of time.
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This is why tanking is a waste of time.
Yes, investing in insurance is stupid because you probably won't ever use it.
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Quinnen is going to end up being a nice player, maybe a Leonard Williams type but I can’t see him being dominant based on what I’ve seen
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They said they weren't firing Gase.
They also said that the team will listen to offers for anybody on this team except Williams and Darnold
They might not shop him, but they'll certainly listen to offers
I’m quoting this post and moving it here because I think my comment is more relevant here.
Remember that team that supposedly was desperately trying to acquire Quinnen at the deadline? Based on his (also) low impact plays so far, I wonder if we are going to regret not taking the supposed “deal no one would refuse.”
I think he’s going to be a damn fine player. But he’s probably not going to provide us the impact a top 3 pick is supposed to have as a game wrecker. Then again it could be his ankle isn’t really healed yet.
I just don’t want to draft another interior DL in the first round for about a decade. We’ve spent so many resources there and it hasn’t made a difference, time to try something else
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I just don’t want to draft another interior DL in the first round for about a decade. We’ve spent so many resources there and it hasn’t made a difference, time to try something else
This. We need to put better weapons and protection around Darnold.
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Stopped reading here. Calling Q a project is asinine.
When you get drafted in the top 5 and can't surpass a bunch of udfa on the depth chart, you're either a project or a bust
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I'm going to give Q the year to figure stuff out. I'm a little disappointed because i expected more impact from a guy taken 3rd overall, but here we are.
On the plus side, he's been solid on the run d.
I hope he improves the interior pass rush next season. That's where he should be paying dividends for this defense.
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I'm going to give Q the year to figure stuff out. I'm a little disappointed because i expected more impact from a guy taken 3rd overall, but here we are.
On the plus side, he's been solid on the run d.
I hope he improves the interior pass rush next season. That's where he should be paying dividends for this defense.
Third overall at DT you're hoping for a Bruce Smith type player.
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Third overall at DT you're hoping for a Bruce Smith type player.
There's no indication he won't turn into an impact player. It's still early.
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Rich Cimini
Quinnen Williams over the last four games: 148 snaps, 4 tackles, 0 sacks, 2 QB hits, 1 TFL. How’s Ed Oliver doing? #Jets
9:19AM EST
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There's no indication he won't turn into an impact player. It's still early.
There's absolutely indications. But that's all they are is indications
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Wonder which DL we're going to draft in the first round this year.
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There's absolutely indications. But that's all they are is indications
"Indications"
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg)
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"Indications"
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg)
I'm no scout. But I'm pretty sure one of the strongest indications someone won't play good football tomorrow is them not playing good football today.
Indicators can absolutely be wrong, but he's fighting an uphill battle
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Rich Cimini
Quinnen Williams over the last four games: 148 snaps, 4 tackles, 0 sacks, 2 QB hits, 1 TFL. How’s Ed Oliver doing? #Jets
9:19AM EST
Lets play a fun game...
By looking at the first 9 games of each players career, which player is the all-star and which player is the bust?
(https://i.imgur.com/QGopY2f.jpg)
Hint 1: Player 1 is Ed Oliver, Player 2 is Quinnen Williams.
Hint 2: We don't know because each player hasn't even played 1 season yet!
Hint 3: We shouldn't judge a players future success while they are on a hot streak.
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Lets play a fun game...
By looking at the first 9 games of each players career, which player is the all-star and which player is the bust?
(https://i.imgur.com/QGopY2f.jpg)
Hint 1: Player 1 is Ed Oliver, Player 2 is Quinnen Williams.
Hint 2: We don't know because each player hasn't even played 1 season yet!
Hint 3: We shouldn't judge a players future success while they are on a hot streak.
Kind of a convenient sample size considering Oliver has four sacks in his last 3.
He's developed into the interior force everyone thought he'd be coming out of Houston.
Frankly, I don't give a excrement that Quinnen has supposedly been such an anchor for this run defense. You don't draft a defensive tackle third overall to do that.
Not willing to write him off as a bust by any stretch at this point, but the early returns are what they are.
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Kind of a convenient sample size considering Oliver has four sacks in his last 3.
That is my point. It's also convenient to judge him based off his most recent 4 game streak.
Oliver has played 12 games in his career, and had 1 sack in his first 9 games . This rate of play will not keep up and things will revert back to the norm. Also worth noting Quinnen has only played in 9 games.
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My point is, that its convenient to judge him based off his most recent 4 game streak. Oliver has played 11 games in his career, Quinnen has played in 8. This rate of play will not keep up and things will revert back to the norm.
But what if this is the norm for Oliver?
Obviously he's not going to keep the pace of a sack a game. But this is a guy everyone thought could be an 8-10 sack type of guy coming out of college.
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But what if this is the norm for Oliver?
Obviously he's not going to keep the pace of a sack a game. But this is a guy everyone thought could be an 8-10 sack type of guy coming out of college.
And what if Quinnen pulls in 4 sacks in 3 games? Its stupid to judge a player while on a hot streak.
Quinnen is generating pressure against the run and pass, he just needs to finish more plays. Lets see where he is after 16-20 games before we call him a bust.
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And what if Quinnen pulls in 4 sacks in 3 games? Its stupid to judge a player while on a hot streak.
Quinnen is generating pressure against the run and pass, he just needs to finish more plays. Lets see where he is after 16-20 games before we call him a bust.
But what if this is the norm for Oliver?
Obviously he's not going to keep the pace of a sack a game. But this is a guy everyone thought could be an 8-10 sack type of guy coming out of college.
Like i said, Quinnen deserves another season to prove himself. The light doesn't come on for every player in their rookie year. He certainly has the potential to be a beast interior DLineman. Unfortunately, we spent the 3rd overall pick on him, he should be an impact player. We'll have to see where it goes. I'm willing to defer my opinion on him to next season.
FTR, I wanted to draft Ed Oliver.
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Nobody's calling him a freaking bust
It's just there's red flags all over about how little he's shown this year considering his draft position.
Especially considering the same people who drafted Leonard Williams drafted him.
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What makes me nervous about Q is that he isn't doing much on a team where Greg Williams is making players like Nate Shepherd and Neville Hewitt look like decent fill-ins for starters.
I'm in the camp of "it's way too early" but I'm definitely concerned we have another Leo Williams on our hands.
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What makes me nervous about Q is that he isn't doing much on a team where Greg Williams is making players like Nate Shepherd and Neville Hewitt look like decent fill-ins for starters.
I'm in the camp of "it's way too early" but I'm definitely concerned we have another Leo Williams on our hands.
You would expect to notice him more for a #3 overall pick who lines up over the ball.
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Nobody's calling him a freaking bust
It's just there's red flags all over about how little he's shown this year considering his draft position.
Especially considering the same people who drafted Leonard Williams drafted him.
Nobody has called Adam Gase a great coach either but it hasnt stopped half the board from making straw man arguments.
I wanted more from Quinnen in Year 1 but I've seen enough linemen develop late that I'm not worried. Hell, Quinnen needed some time to develop in college before he blew up. I think he will take a big step next year.
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Nobody has called Adam Gase a great coach either but it hasnt stopped half the board from making straw man arguments.
I wanted more from Quinnen in Year 1 but I've seen enough linemen develop late that I'm not worried. Hell, Quinnen needed some time to develop in college before he blew up. I think he will take a big step next year.
Well that's because Gase is better than what we've seen, but he's still not good.
In all likelihood he is a mediocre coach that injuries have made him look like a clown
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Nobody has called Adam Gase a great coach either but it hasnt stopped half the board from making straw man arguments.
Straw man? That's a little ironic given I don't think a single person who wants Gase out is trying to argue that this is a good roster and that he's the only problem.
Good coaches get the best out of bad players, they don't blame them for failing to execute. We all want the excrement players replaced, why is it so unreasonable to want the excrement coaches replaced?
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Straw man? That's a little ironic given I don't think a single person who wants Gase out is trying to argue that this is a good roster and that he's the only problem.
Good coaches get the best out of bad players, they don't blame them for failing to execute. We all want the excrement players replaced, why is it so unreasonable to want the excrement coaches replaced?
Exactly. We can get better players AND a better coach. For the ones who want Gase around I really don't see what the appeal is. He was terrible in Miami, and he's been terrible here except for three games.
I get the talent level of the roster but it's not like it has been a consistent product.
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Exactly. We can get better players AND a better coach. For the ones who want Gase around I really don't see what the appeal is. He was terrible in Miami, and he's been terrible here except for three games.
I get the talent level of the roster but it's not like it has been a consistent product.
False.
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I said it over a year ago, even if Q was the better prospect we would have been better off taking a slightly inferior Edge rusher
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False.
Sub .500 over three seasons and lost the locker room.
He was bad. Everyone on this board knew he was bad when he was coaching Miami. It wasn't until he came here that people were trying to find excuses for him.
Keeping a guy who skipped Thanksgiving with his family just to put together that turd sandwich of a game against Cincinnati is not going to help Darnold.
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Sub .500 over three seasons and lost the locker room.
He. Was. Bad.
He went 22-25 with teams with middling talent at best. You can't point to the team that underachieved under his watch in Miami because it doesn't exist.
The narrative he lost the locker room is also false, but no one wants to hear it. https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article223482025.html
For what its worth, some of the criticisms of that article have reared their ugly head here. They're scary accurate. But everyone's acting like we have the second coming of Kotite, or that the realistic options this team had in front of them at the time they made the hire would have been better.
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He went 22-25 with teams with middling talent at best. You can't point to the team that underachieved under his watch in Miami because it doesn't exist.
The narrative he lost the locker room is also false, but no one wants to hear it. https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article223482025.html
For what its worth, some of the criticisms of that article have reared their ugly head here. They're scary accurate. But everyone's acting like we have the second coming of Kotite, or that the realistic options this team had in front of them at the time they made the hire would have been better.
Is that record somehow supposed to make sub .500 look better?
He managed to go 10-6 in his first season and then never had a winning season again. That sounds familiar.
He's an offensive geniusTM whose offense cracked the top 20 in points once while Manning wasn't his QB. And if the best that can be said about him is that he can take a middling team to a sub .500 record then I really don't see any evidence for keeping him around. This team doesn't need a play caller who cannot let a bad play call go or refuses to realize he has a running back on the team.
Gase isn't an offensive genius, he's a dude clearly on the spectrum and obsessed with the passing game.
Anyway...I think part of the problem with Williams is that offenses.really don't need to worry about who is playing right behind him. We're getting serviceable play out of our ILBs but I don't think that OCs are staying up at night worrying about blocking Neville Hewitt.
Give him another year and someone behind him that the offense needs to plan for more and he'll probably be causing more havock at and behind the lone of scrimmage.
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Is that record somehow supposed to make sub .500 look better?
He managed to go 10-6 in his first season and then never had a winning season again. That sounds familiar.
He's an offensive geniusTM whose offense cracked the top 20 in points once while Manning wasn't his QB. And if the best that can be said about him is that he can take a middling team to a sub .500 record then I really don't see any evidence for keeping him around. This team doesn't need a play caller who cannot let a bad play call go or refuses to realize he has a running back on the team.
Gase isn't an offensive genius, he's a dude clearly on the spectrum and obsessed with the passing game.
Anyway...I think part of the problem with Williams is that offenses.really don't need to worry about who is playing right behind him. We're getting serviceable play out of our ILBs but I don't think that OCs are staying up at night worrying about blocking Neville Hewitt.
Give him another year and someone behind him that the offense needs to plan for more and he'll probably be causing more havock at and behind the lone of scrimmage.
Those weren't middling teams. They were trash. Dolphins has no business going 7-9 last year considering they started Brock Osweiler at quarterback for 5 games and weren't brimming with talent.
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Those weren't middling teams.
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He went 22-25 with teams with middling talent at best.
K.
Done debating this in the Q thread.
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I said it over a year ago, even if Q was the better prospect we would have been better off taking a slightly inferior Edge rusher
Ed Oliver or Brian Burns would've been better picks.
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I won't even bother debating in this thread. I've just accepted the fact that we can't draft worth a excrement. Hopefully our HC won't ruin Sam.
#FireGase
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I won't even bother debating in this thread. I've just accepted the fact that we can't draft worth a excrement. Hopefully our HC won't ruin Sam.
#FireGase
Q could always take a Year 2 step forward. We'll see I guess.
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Q could always take a Year 2 step forward. We'll see I guess.
I get it, I was waiting for Leonard Williams to make that 5th year jump this season too
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I get it, I was waiting for Leonard Williams to make that 5th year jump this season too
Dumb Jets traded him before the Year 6 jump
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Dumb Jets traded him before the Year 6 jump
They checked with dcm and realized they'll never be able to pay him and Jamal both.
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They checked with dcm and realized they'll never be able to pay him and Jamal both.
Plot twist: dcm is the Jonhson brothers' shared account.
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Get this dude an entire off-season with an MMA trainer who can teach him how to stay on his feet and he'll be fine.
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Get this dude an entire off-season with an MMA trainer who can teach him how to stay on his feet and he'll be fine.
Agreed. I wont be worried until next year.
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Ed Oliver has 0 sacks, 0 tfls, and 1 qb hit in the past 3 weeks
#Bust
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Happy Quinnen got a sack. Jets fans have been down on Quinnen this season because he hasn't produced that much in the stat sheet. Literally any DL in the NFL would have gotten the sack he had today, but it all counts the same, and some of our dumber fans will look at that sack and get off his case for a week.
I think he could take a big step forward next season. We need him to.
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What should we rename this thread to after the season is over?
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What should we rename this thread to after the season is over?
Future overpaid New York Giants DL Quinnen Williams
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Future overpaid New York Giants DL Quinnen Williams
Ouch...but yes.
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What should we rename this thread to after the season is over?
Quittin' Williams
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Happy Quinnen got a sack. Jets fans have been down on Quinnen this season because he hasn't produced that much in the stat sheet. Literally any DL in the NFL would have gotten the sack he had today, but it all counts the same, and some of our dumber fans will look at that sack and get off his case for a week.
I think he could take a big step forward next season. We need him to.
i think one of the biggest issues for Q this year has been injuries. Yes he has been on the field, but I don't think he has had his same explosion due to the ankle early on, and this past one was his shoulder wasn't it? Might be lacking in power with that holding him back now.
That said, easiest sack ever yesterday. Here is hoping he can have a strong performance next week and build going into year 2. I think it was Reuben who said he just needs to spend the spring/summer training with MMA guys and that will keep him on his feet.
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What should we rename this thread to after the season is over?
Mike Maccagnan Tribute Thread
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What should we rename this thread to after the season is over?
The Quinnen Williams House of Blessyou Thankyou
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Do you guys feel Q is performing at the same level or below Leo was, after year one?
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Do you guys feel Q is performing at the same level or below Leo was, after year one?
he's got a sack so he's already producing more than year 4 leo
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Also a different position and we've been good against the run. He has to at least share credit there.
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Run defense is good. I have to imagine having only Burgess and Hewitt as the ILBs means the OLine can tee off on Q more than if they actually had to fear our ILBs coming downfield on a consistent basis.
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https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-grading-all-32-first-round-picks-week-16-2019-nfl-season
PICK NO. 3: DI QUINNEN WILLIAMS, NEW YORK JETS
2019 overall grade: 69.1
Williams started off slow as a pass rusher but has since picked it up with seven of his 18 pressures on the season coming in his last three games. The superb run defender we saw at Alabama, though, has translated right out the gate, with Williams posting a 75.7 run-defense grade.
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https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-grading-all-32-first-round-picks-week-16-2019-nfl-season
How many of our 7000 DL that we recently drafted have we had to listen to talk about how great run defenders though?
And let's also remember many of those pressures came against Pittsburgh with a 3rd string QB and Miami. On the flip side he's a rookie and it's progress so I'll take it
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Rich Cimini
Quinnen Williams over the last four games: 148 snaps, 4 tackles, 0 sacks, 2 QB hits, 1 TFL. How’s Ed Oliver doing? #Jets
9:19AM EST
True to my point the 6 games after Ed Oliver's 4 game hot street Oliver racked up 0 sacks 1 TFL, 1 QB hurry.
Let's stop judging players while they are on a hot streak, especially rookies.
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Talk to me when he outplays the UDFA’s
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TIL Q and Ed Oliver were born 9 days apart.
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Current twitter rumor mill is that Q and his gf were arrested for gun possession at LaGuardia.
Allegedly.
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Current twitter rumor mill is that Q and his gf were arrested for gun possession at LaGuardia.
Allegedly.
It's JFK and it's almost certainly bogus.
The coronavirus needs to hurry up and take out this Danny Bagz Twitter loser.
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Welp...
I still want Danny Bagz to die though
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Baby Q growing up.
https://twitter.com/rocthejetsfan/status/1254812124175572992?s=21
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Imagine if he ends up living up to his draft stock this year.
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Imagine if he ends up living up to his draft stock this year.
Sure would be nice if he becomes a top 3 player from his class. That would be astonishingly awesome
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Baby Q growing up.
https://twitter.com/rocthejetsfan/status/1254812124175572992?s=21
I now understand why they didn't let him through airport security.
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Last year, Foley and Shepherd went from borderline NFL players to legitimate NFL rotation players. Hopefully, they can take a step forward.
But if Quinnen can go from an NFL rotation player to a borderline Pro Bowler, our defense can be dangerous. He is low-key one of the most important players on our team this year.
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i have high hopes for quinnen. i think he's going to mature both as a person and as a player this year and we're going to be satisfied with the results.
coming into the league last year it was obvious he was just really young in mindset, green, and immature. i think having been able to complete one pro season under his belt will do a lot for his mindset and preparation coming into year 2.
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i have high hopes for quinnen. i think he's going to mature both as a person and as a player this year and we're going to be satisfied with the results.
coming into the league last year it was obvious he was just really young in mindset, green, and immature. i think having been able to complete one pro season under his belt will do a lot for his mindset and preparation coming into year 2.
After a year of maturing as a person he was still so blissfully unaware of his environment that he thought there was no problem carrying a firearm through a New York airport. He might become a good player but I think you're a little optimistic thus far.
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After a year of maturing as a person he was still so blissfully unaware of his environment that he thought there was no problem carrying a firearm through a New York airport. He might become a good player but I think you're a little optimistic thus far.
i honestly completely forgot about this, but you're right, it's not a good look. that being said, i do think he's probably made some improvements in that arena, which probably doesn't mean much given the amount of youthful/blissful ignorance he has displayed after we drafted him...but i can only imagine it's going to get better with time, little as those changes may be. at the very least i think understanding what it takes to get through a complete NFL season will mean something different for him in terms of his approach to the year
he possesses insane traits physically in terms of size, strength, and athleticism. he did pretty well against the run year one and had some pass rushing moments early and then later on during the year. i was actually on the josh allen followed by ed oliver bandwagon during the draft last year, but can see why we drafted him and the potential he possesses as a player. i would have liked to see more in terms of pass rushing but it is still way too early to get down about him about that. only thing we can do now is take a wait-and-see approach and hope that he can outdo his predecessors
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Quinnen seems like a really good kid. I hope the gun incident kind of gave him a little kick in the derriere for his maturity. Maybe he needed to get in some trouble in order to grow up a little bit.
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It's easy to forget how young these guys are. Think of the stupid excrement you did in your early 20s.
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I'm expecting a big jump in his play given the tools and the lack of indication or information regarding a shitty work ethic.
Just logically given his lack of experience even at the collegiate level and his age, I didn't expect him to hit the league like a house of fire last year.
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My understanding is that there are people who bring guns when they travel regularly. His issue was just not following proper protocol, so I don't think it's a huge deal.
Him not getting the job done on the field is a bigger concern. Based off our track record with coples Richardson Williams and Wilkerson I'm not optimistic. I hope I'm wrong
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My understanding is that there are people who bring guns when they travel regularly. His issue was just not following proper protocol, so I don't think it's a huge deal.
Him not getting the job done on the field is a bigger concern. Based off our track record with coples Richardson Williams and Wilkerson I'm not optimistic. I hope I'm wrong
you're not the only one that's used this line of thinking in thinking he's not going to 'make it' but i'm not sure why invoking past drafted DL have anything to do with quinnen. the lions drafted charles rogers, mike williams, and roy williams before finally hitting with calvin johnson. should they have been wary of drafting calvin johnson, who became the best WR in their history, because of their previous draft picks? the failure of those draft picks had other implications on their franchise, but that had nothing to do with calvin
even when looking at our DL picks there needs to be some context applied. for a time muhammad wilkerson was arguably the 2nd best 34 DE in the league behind JJ Watt. he then broke his leg, came back and didn't look the same physically/athletically, became lazy, sloppy fatz and an alcoholic. richardson was disruptive enough in his rookie campaign to win DROY and ultimately it didn't mean anything to us, as he later became a lazy malcontent that fought with teammates in the locker room and half-assed it on the field. i don't have anything to say for leonard williams, he was completely underwhelming and ended this year with 0 sacks. sometimes excrement works out and sometimes it doesnt, but that doesn't have anything to do with Q. being annoyed at drafting so many DL is one thing, and it's fair, but using the results of those past picks against Q makes zero sense.
as others have already said, it's way too early to close the book on quinnen. he was under-experienced even by college standards when we drafted him, and he wasn't likely ever going to hit the ground running his rookie season. let's give him some time
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Oh I 100% don't think that past draft picks (under different coaching and leadership) have any impact on what Quinnen will or won't be.
I just find it hard to be optimistic after having had repeated excrement experiences. That is further compounded by the fact that he didn't have much of an impact his rookie year.
The guys still a child so absolutely anything can happen with him, it would be completely ridiculous for anyone to think his future is set in stone at this point for better or worse.
I just find it difficult to be optimistic.
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The reasons to be optimistic is that we thought highly enough of him to take him 3rd overall last year. Quinnen held his own as a 21-year old last year. Now he has a full offseason to prepare for the NFL. Plus, he got hurt in Week 1 last season.
We just had two far less highly touted/older DL break out in smaller ways last year in their 2nd seasons. Quinnen can break out this season. Not every player lives up to the hype as a rookie, especially at age 21.
His play in year 1 decreases the likelihood of him living up to the hype of the No. 3 pick, but a big step forward would not be surprising. I bet we read a lot of Quinnen Williams hype pieces by beat writers in training camp, if that exists.
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Never forget when we tried to play Sheldon at OLB for an entire season
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Never forget when we tried to play Sheldon at OLB for an entire season
Ughhhhhh. Why would you remind me of this?
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The reasons to be optimistic is that we thought highly enough of him to take him 3rd overall last year. Quinnen held his own as a 21-year old last year. Now he has a full offseason to prepare for the NFL. Plus, he got hurt in Week 1 last season.
We just had two far less highly touted/older DL break out in smaller ways last year in their 2nd seasons. Quinnen can break out this season. Not every player lives up to the hype as a rookie, especially at age 21.
His play in year 1 decreases the likelihood of him living up to the hype of the No. 3 pick, but a big step forward would not be surprising. I bet we read a lot of Quinnen Williams hype pieces by beat writers in training camp, if that exists.
I loled
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Excellent response
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McCagnan?
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McCagnan?
Cagney and Lacey?
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If we can get some real production and pass rush out of Q were gonna have a badass defense with our guys coming back from injury
Would like to add a pass rusher in free agency if possible I think there are a couple guys still available
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Boom
Headshot
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Would be very happy to throw Markus Golden in there. I think his tender only lets the Giants add him to their compensation formula.
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Would be very happy to throw Markus Golden in there. I think his tender only lets the Giants add him to their compensation formula.
I saw some stats somewhere that most of him and jabbal sheard's production came as a result of offensive mistakes rather than defensive production. I'd much rather pay more for Everson Griffen
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From today's TDN
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/quinnen-williams-new-york-jets-breakdown
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^
Said that all season. He was dominant at times against the run and was asked to do a lot of stuff that does not fill up the stat sheet. People box-score scouting a defensive tackle are usually going to be underwhelmed.
Hoping Q continues to tap into his potential this season.
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With his new workout routine he should just be able to rip most guards in half.
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With his new workout routine he should just be able to rip most guards in half.
Or he can pull a gun on them Last Boy Scout style.
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Considering we had two 2nd-year defensive linemen break out in smaller ways last year (Shepherd, Fatukasi), I definitely don't think it's a big leap for the No. 3 pick to make a big jump in year 2.
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Considering we had two 2nd-year defensive linemen break out in smaller ways last year (Shepherd, Fatukasi), I definitely don't think it's a big leap for the No. 3 pick to make a big jump in year 2.
I feel like there’s a poop joke here somewhere.
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Q always looks like Sylvester trying to hide that he has Tweety in his mouth.
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Q always looks like Sylvester trying to hide that he has Tweety in his mouth.
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guy on the left is probably 'big' in normal/relative terms and quinnen makes him look like a little derriere boy
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Q always looks like Sylvester trying to hide that he has Tweety in his mouth.
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https://twitter.com/quinnenwilliams/status/1275859390491435014?s=21
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/06/24/quinnen-williams-set-for-july-23-court-date-on-gun-charge/
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Quinnen Williams calls Gregg Williams “Uncle Gregg,” which I didn’t think I needed to know but now I do and I’m not mad.
#UncleGreggSZN
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hey it uncle gegg
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Hehehe, nice.
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https://twitter.com/quinnenwilliams/status/1275859390491435014?s=21
https://twitter.com/fuegojetstakes/status/1303793137459003392?s=21
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Only 1 pressure for Quinnen over team-high 35 pass rush snaps, which was a hit that drew a roughing flag
Nania
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That was the softest roughing call I've seen against an NYJ defender too.
At least crush him if you're going to get flagged.
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* Q Williams, p-rush win rate 11.8%, T-13th among DTs.
ESPN next gen stats
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ESPN next gen stats
That's actually surprisingly decent.
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That's actually surprisingly decent.
Pretty strange that it didn’t translate to more pressures. Def worth a look if anyone watches the game again.
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Not what we need from a Nr 3 overall pick. Hopefully that gets better.
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That was the softest roughing call I've seen against an NYJ defender too.
At least crush him if you're going to get flagged.
Was that the one where he went to ground behind Allen and just grabbed hold of his ankle? I agree that was soft. RTP should be for an actual low or late hit.
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Was that the one where he went to ground behind Allen and just grabbed hold of his ankle? I agree that was soft. RTP should be for an actual low or late hit.
Yes, that one
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Was that the one where he went to ground behind Allen and just grabbed hold of his ankle? I agree that was soft. RTP should be for an actual low or late hit.
That annoyed me it was flagged. Dude got pushed to the ground by his OL matchup, what is he supposed to do just lie there while Allen throws the ball? He grabbed him around the ankle for god's sake he didn't dive at his knees.
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Q needs a sack this week
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Q needs a sack this week
Need to drag his ballsack all over Jimmy G’s grill
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Two sacks this week and Q can't get even a little love?
Hopefully Becton and Q turn into the silver lining boys this year. I'd say the same about Sam but when your best option is Chris "7/11" Hogan-no shot.
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https://twitter.com/pff_austingayle/status/1308376202021949440?s=21
Quinnen reel
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Felony gun charges dropped.
Blessyouthankyou
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Felony gun charges dropped.
Blessyouthankyou
Cancels out Kraft getting off from illegal handjob charges.
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#Jets DE Quinnen Williams finished Sunday with a PFF grade of 57.7. He had zero sacks, hurries or quarterback hits. He did have two tackles.
Outside of his two-sack game against the #49ers, Williams has had PFF grades of 56.6, 56.7, 62.8 and now 57.7.
Hughes
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Yet he's in the top five of pass rush efficiency and run stop efficieny
Connor Hughes is the new Evan Silva.
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Connor Rogers is reporting the Jets are taking calls on Quinnen
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Douglas burning down Maccagnan’s house.
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Connor Rogers is reporting the Jets are taking calls on Quinnen
Jets should take calls on literally everyone on the roster.
Quinnen still costs a 1st-rounder for me. Maybe a 2nd-rounder and a late pick from a bad team.
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Yet he's in the top five of pass rush efficiency and run stop efficieny
Connor Hughes is the new Evan Silva.
Connor Rogers is reporting the Jets are taking calls on Quinnen
Too many Connors. Society has progressed past the need for Connors.
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Even though he hasn't shown production i dont qanf to give up on q yet.
With that said, dt and de in a 3-4 is a non premium position that we are great at developing so I wouldn't be terribly upset to get a 2nd and a 5th for q
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I'd take a first for Quinnen
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Quinnen wouldn't get us more than a 2nd rounder, if that. Assuming this is anything other than a team calling us.
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We should trade Henry Anderson for a Jimmy John's giftcard
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I didn’t want to draft him anyway so I’m fine with him getting traded.
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There is only one untouchable player right now, and that's Becton.
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There is only one untouchable player right now, and that's Becton.
And Darnold until he can pass a physical.
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All the tards on reddit think it’s crazy to accept anything less than a 1st + 2nd... excrement, if someone wants to trade a first (preferably inside the top 20) I’d be all for it. JFM is having a better season. It’s about time we stop wasting high first round picks on defensive lineman. Surround a young QB or get a true impact position player on the defense (edge/CB).
Trade Quinnen for a first and come out of next years 1st round with Lawrence, a WR and another piece for the OL.
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All the tards on reddit think it’s crazy to accept anything less than a 1st + 2nd... excrement, if someone wants to trade a first (preferably inside the top 20) I’d be all for it. JFM is having a better season. It’s about time we stop wasting high first round picks on defensive lineman. Surround a young QB or get a true impact position player on the defense (edge/CB).
Trade Quinnen for a first and come out of next years 1st round with Lawrence, a WR and another piece for the OL.
More utter stupidity. Why are you people so obsessed with trading the tiny handful of good young players we have at any given time for the potential of maybe possibly being able to draft a young player who might if he's lucky be as good? Q isn't great yet but FFS he's just starting to show like he might get there despite this shitty coaching staff, and you want to trade him?
Batshit insane.
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More utter stupidity. Why are you people so obsessed with trading the tiny handful of good young players we have at any given time for the potential of maybe possibly being able to draft a young player who might if he's lucky be as good? Q isn't great yet but FFS he's just starting to show like he might get there despite this shitty coaching staff, and you want to trade him?
Batshit insane.
Yeah. I think a first is good value for what he seems to be, but there's also value in building a team where you don't just trade away players because you're getting positive value - could be a negative intangible in the long run.
If he was playing Trent Richardson level and someone offered a first, sure, but it's not been that bad.
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More utter stupidity. Why are you people so obsessed with trading the tiny handful of good young players we have at any given time for the potential of maybe possibly being able to draft a young player who might if he's lucky be as good? Q isn't great yet but FFS he's just starting to show like he might get there despite this shitty coaching staff, and you want to trade him?
Batshit insane.
I mean I was never for drafting Q. I don’t think there’s much value in drafting defensive lineman so high in the draft, unless their name is Aaron Donald. Q has gotten better, but he’s not even close to what Sheldon Richardson was for the Jets, and he was traded away for a 2nd. The goal isn’t to ship everyone out of town, but if the value is there I’m not hamstrung to a player that isn’t elite, nor plays a position that is the most impactful.
The Jets have an UDFA playing above or at a similar level to him. I’d rather build around a QB (whoever will be there next year and going forward) or draft a pass rusher . That was my stance when he was drafted, and it definitely hasn’t changed since.
I do agree with what jumbo said in there being value in continuing to build and not constantly getting rid of players, but Douglas has no ties to Quinnen. No one aside from Becton is untouchable.
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I'd take a first. Don't see the point in moving him for any less.
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I'd take a first. Don't see the point in moving him for any less.
If we trade him for a second we can turn that pick into another WR who will get injured in the preseason.
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Let’s be serious, nobody will give us a first for him.
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I'd take a first. Don't see the point in moving him for any less.
He was a #3 overall pick and he hasn't yet had the opportunity to prove himself worthy of it. I'm not trading him for anything less than the same value.
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He was a #3 overall pick and he hasn't yet had the opportunity to prove himself worthy of it. I'm not trading him for anything less than the same value.
He was a Maccagnan pick so I am forced to assume he was over-drafted.
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Gonna be honest, I don't think he's going to live up to that #3 slot.
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Let’s be serious, nobody will give us a first for him.
A playoff team would give up a late first. He helps them now and in the future.
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I would do it for a first. Quinnen has been slightly less productive than Leonard Williams through the same stage in their careers
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i wanted ed oliver or dk metcalf
we should have fckin just drafted metcalf
if these rumors are actually serious, then fck this team
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We wouldn't get a first rounder for him.
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Leonard currently has a better stat line this year than quinnen
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Leonard currently has a better stat line this year than quinnen
Not really sure how you’re seeing that...
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Most stats for defensive linemen are pretty useless.
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I'm with SFD...some playoff team will cough up a 1st for him.
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Not really sure how you’re seeing that...
Leo
4 pressures
2 sacks
4 TFL
4 QB hits
2 QB Knockdowns
Quinnen
3 pressures
2 sacks
3 TFL
2 QB hits
1 QB Knockdown
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I don't buy that Q only has 3 pressures. He also has a forced fumble.
Leonard Williams does not make impactful plays. He's allergic to them.
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I don't buy that Q only has 3 pressures. He also has a forced fumble.
Leonard Williams does not make impactful plays. He's allergic to them.
That’s from pro football reference. Not the most reliable source.
We need someone to bite the bullet and subscribe to one of the advanced stats sites
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https://twitter.com/kylefaheynfl/status/1318620253849636866?s=21
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I think we can get over the idea of him living up to the #3 overall pick and accept that we spent much more than we should have on an elite run stopper.
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from what i see/remember 1-on-1 it looks like he actually gets a decent amount of pressure/penetration more often than not. i'd be interested in seeing what % of snaps he's doubled. this could obviously be all wrong because it's more or less anecdotal, but that's what it's seemed like
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If he is winning that consistently against the run then the sack numbers are coming.
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Quinnen Williams has made 17 tackles against the run that held the runner short of the sticks and to a gain of ≤2 yards, most among interior defensive linemen
Very specific stat but seems good
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A lot of what he does is underappreciated. He's tied with several others for the third most tackles for loss in the league right now, and he's had a couple of big plays taken away for penalties.
Our front seven has some solid pieces for the future.
Bryce Huff
John Franklin-Myers
Foley Fatukasi
Quinnen Williams
Kyle Phillips
It'd be nice to add some quality corners in 2021.
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Quinnen is fine. He likely will never live up to the #3 pick, but he's clearly a better player than he was last year, and he's still 22 years old. He's one of the best players on our team. That's a low bar, but he's playing well. Needs to keep improving.
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Quinnen is fine. He likely will never live up to the #3 pick, but he's clearly a better player than he was last year, and he's still 22 years old. He's one of the best players on our team. That's a low bar, but he's playing well. Needs to keep improving.
I can't speak for everyone, but I think that's probably most people's problem. It's not about him not having potential or being a good player, it's that we should have used the pick we used on him for a more impactful player--especially on offense.
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I can't speak for everyone, but I think that's probably most people's problem. It's not about him not having potential or being a good player, it's that we should have used the pick we used on him for a more impactful player--especially on offense.
The first skill player on the off board in that draft was TJ Hockenson. The player we needed to take there was Josh Allen.
I wanted DK Metcalf, but clearly every NFL team missed on that one.
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The first skill player on the off board in that draft was TJ Hockenson. The player we needed to take there was Josh Allen.
I wanted DK Metcalf, but clearly every NFL team missed on that one.
Yuuuuuuup.
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I can't speak for everyone, but I think that's probably most people's problem. It's not about him not having potential or being a good player, it's that we should have used the pick we used on him for a more impactful player--especially on offense.
I think of players like stocks, it's not about what you spent, it's about where it's going in the future.
If you feel like you could get more in trade value than you think he'll develop into, including dumping his salary, trade him. If you feel like he will be a better player than you'd get in draft compensation and dumping his salary, keep him. I don't even think about where he was drafted or what he did last year. That's a sunk cost.
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I think of players like stocks, it's not about what you spent, it's about where it's going in the future.
If you feel like you could get more in trade value than you think he'll develop into, including dumping his salary, trade him. If you feel like he will be a better player than you'd get in draft compensation and dumping his salary, keep him. I don't even think about where he was drafted or what he did last year. That's a sunk cost.
This is the reasonable position.
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I think of players like stocks, it's not about what you spent, it's about where it's going in the future.
If you feel like you could get more in trade value than you think he'll develop into, including dumping his salary, trade him. If you feel like he will be a better player than you'd get in draft compensation and dumping his salary, keep him. I don't even think about where he was drafted or what he did last year. That's a sunk cost.
This is the reasonable position.
Agreed. Get it the freak out of here.
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Anyway,
https://twitter.com/greggrosenthal/status/1319310797076533255?s=19
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I think of players like stocks, it's not about what you spent, it's about where it's going in the future.
If you feel like you could get more in trade value than you think he'll develop into, including dumping his salary, trade him. If you feel like he will be a better player than you'd get in draft compensation and dumping his salary, keep him. I don't even think about where he was drafted or what he did last year. That's a sunk cost.
It's kind of weird to think of players like commodities, but if you are a GM, that's exactly how you need to operate.
That said, it's hard to gauge what his value actually is right now. He is playing in a scheme that doesn't maximize his strengths, yet he is still flashing and is showing as an elite run defender with pass rush potential. Given we all feel so confident we will have a new staff next year (that we know nothing about) it's possible the next scheme actually plays to his strengths and his production in the pass game skyrockets next year. Or it's possible that doesn't happen.
If someone in contention offered a 1st for him I probably hold on to Q. If a team like Jacksonville or Minnesota offered their 1st I'd probably trade him. If I could get 2 1s or a package of similar value, I would be hard pressed to keep Q.
Ultimately I expect he stays a Jet at least until this offseason and we know what our next schemes are and how valuable he could be in them vs. acquiring more assets to build other parts of this team up.
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Connor Hughes uses the Madden trade system to come up with that stuff
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Anyway,
https://twitter.com/greggrosenthal/status/1319310797076533255?s=19
If that's the best offer on the table, he is clearly worth more to us than that. But I can get why that would be the case. No one is trading mid season for a run stuffing DL (even an elite one) in a pass first league if he can't produce consistent pocket pressure.
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If that's the best offer on the table, he is clearly worth more to us than that. But I can get why that would be the case. No one is trading mid season for a run stuffing DL (even an elite one) in a pass first league if he can't produce consistent pocket pressure.
It says in the tweet that that offer isn’t on the table tho
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If any team offers a 1st for Quinnen, you take it. They won't though. It would be worth it to effectively exchange the position from DL to WR or something else we need more. We are fine at DL compared to the rest of our talent. I'm pretty ambivalent. Keep him, don't, whatever.
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Quinnen is good. We shouldn't trade him.
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I’d have to imagine he”d still be in Joe Douglas’ plans for the future of the team.
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The only reasons you trade Quinnen is if you
1. Don't think Quinnen will develop into a Pro Bowler
2. Really like the other depth on the DL where you think Q is a luxury
3. Think he's a bad locker room guy
I think it's too early on 1, though it is significantly less likely he turns into an All-Pro than it was when he entered the league.
2 is a legitimate reason to consider trading him and reallocating our resources. If you think we can get similar production from our other young DL, then maybe trading Quinnen and adding another pick to address more pressing needs makes some sense.
Have seen no evidence on 3.
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I think of players like stocks, it's not about what you spent, it's about where it's going in the future.
If you feel like you could get more in trade value than you think he'll develop into, including dumping his salary, trade him. If you feel like he will be a better player than you'd get in draft compensation and dumping his salary, keep him. I don't even think about where he was drafted or what he did last year. That's a sunk cost.
Draft picks are often like used cars. Sometimes as soon as you draft them, their values start to drop. They get closer and closer to the end of their rookie deals, and if they are high picks, there are high expectations.
However, draft picks are still the only real way to acquire young, cost-controlled talent in the NFL, so they are still extremely valuable, even if they often don't pan out as expected.
Quinnen isn't worth the #3 pick right now. Neither is Sam Darnold. Both have not lived up to expectations of the #3 pick, and now their values aren't quite as high. If Q has a dominant year next year and the light turns on, his value will change again. Same with Sam.
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Jets draft picks are like titties. They start to sag after they've been around a while.
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Unless someone offers a nice package, there are zero reasons to trade him, for the same reason mentioned by bo: he's a sunk cost.
And like H said, he's a good player. Is he currently worthy of his draft pick? No. So what? That pick is spent, and unless he returns a couple of mid-rounders or an upper-half first-rounder, he's more valuable to the Jets as a current player than as a potential one.
As every year going back to the Rex years, I can't stand spending first-round picks on DL. Which was my issue with Quinnen. But again, spent pick = spilled milk.
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Jets draft picks are like titties. They start to sag after they've been around a while.
Tell that to all the Pelosi fanboys here.
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Tell that to all the Pelosi fanboys here.
How nice it would be if you could get the equivalent of a football boob job to revive a player's career.
Don't you dare disparage Pelosi's funbags.
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Trying to trade Q per Manish
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“The 0-7 Jets, the only winless team in the league, aren’t asking for the moon. In other words, Gang Green won’t require a first-round pick in return, according to sources.
However, the Jets aren’t willing to give up the 22-year-old Williams for just a second-round pick, either. Douglas & Co. want multiple picks to part with Williams, who has made significant improvement in his second season.
The team will predictably attempt to spin behind the scenes that they’re willing to listen to any offers, but make no mistake: The Jets have made it known that Williams can be had for a reasonable price.“
Manish
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Trying to trade Q per Manish
Well, his value is higher I guess. Id keep him unless they can get a 1st rounder back, which they won't. Probably bullshit rumor.
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Well, his value is higher I guess. Id keep him unless they can get a 1st rounder back, which they won't. Probably bullshit rumor.
This is where I would be. Might as well keep a solid anchor on the DLine.
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Williams has been really good for most of this season. I'd hate to see him shipped out this soon.
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His ceiling is still high enough that I'd be disappointed to get less than a 1st for him.
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Joe Douglas needs to freak off
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1321092047370133508
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1321092047370133508
Lol
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How does Manish still have a job
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How does Manish still have a job
NYDN is tanking for a higher pick so they can get a generational talent at beat reporter in 2021
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Joe Douglas needs to freak off
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1321092047370133508
freak off, mate
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freak off, mate
Joe Douglas is still firmly in the red with me regardless of whether this story is true, and he can still freak off with his idiot mate who got him the job in the first place.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1321092047370133508
This makes more sense. Manish no longer has credentials and as such shouldn't still have sources in the building. Which means he's guessing and trying to stir excrement up because he can always say 'must not have got the offer they wanted' for Q when the deal doesn't happen
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Joe Douglas needs to freak off
Another outburst like that and I will cut you, sir.
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freak off, mate
Are you an Aussie?
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Listening to Hann and Scott in the car-they won't even refer to Manish by name lmao, just as "an uncredentialed source" as they excrement all over this rumor.
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1321098621044088834?s=21
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This makes more sense. Manish no longer has credentials and as such shouldn't still have sources in the building.
I don't see why that would be the case, I'm sure his source was/is not acting in an official capacity when leaking him info.
More likely he lost his source during FO turnover, credentials only affect his access to team HQ and press conferences.
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If we do somehow trade Q, the Manish victory lap would be hilarious.
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If we do somehow trade Q, the Manish victory lap would be hilarious.
Same could be said for when we finally sign Logan Ryan
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I've defended Manish a number of times, but this is out of control now.
I'm willing to believe he has a source feeding him this information, the questions are: who is the source and what is their motivation?
Is he being fed false rumors by someone inside as a sting to root out shitheads inside the building? Is he being fed by Q's agent who wants his player sent to a contender?
I just don't see how it's a credible story that they're shopping Q. Even in a full rebuild, you have to start somewhere. He's young and has loads of potential. Overdrafted, yes. But that's no reason to ship him out for less than we paid for him.
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I've defended Manish a number of times, but this is out of control now.
I'm willing to believe he has a source feeding him this information, the questions are: who is the source and what is their motivation?
Is he being fed false rumors by someone inside as a sting to root out shitheads inside the building? Is he being fed by Q's agent who wants his player sent to a contender?
I just don't see how it's a credible story that they're shopping Q. Even in a full rebuild, you have to start somewhere. He's young and has loads of potential. Overdrafted, yes. But that's no reason to ship him out for less than we paid for him.
He probably got catfished by a 15 year old from Hoboken
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He probably got catfished by a 15 year old from Hoboken
MAGA Karl strikes again
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https://twitter.com/buckybrooks/status/1321457209197228034?s=21
Interpret these comments however you will. Sounds like BS but sounds like Brooks is saying a Jets coach is slandering Q behind the scenes. Idk.
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Bucky Brooks is illiterate
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"I talk to dem coaches ova dey and dey say to me that Quinnen unda ochieve"
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#Jets HC Adam Gase said he talked to Williams, and Joe Douglas talked to Williams & his agent to stress that any report saying they are shopping him is not accurate.
-Hughes
Lanish
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That said, I'm sure Manish got his information from somewhere. Maybe there is some coach on the roster that doesn't like Quinnen. Who knows.
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I’m not sure Manish got his information from somewhere though...
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https://twitter.com/buckybrooks/status/1321457209197228034?s=21
Interpret these comments however you will. Sounds like BS but sounds like Brooks is saying a Jets coach is slandering Q behind the scenes. Idk.
Either way his original tweet is getting ratio'd.
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Either way his original tweet is getting ratio'd.
I don't speak twitter. The freak is this? Likes vs. Retweets?
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I don't speak twitter. The freak is this? Likes vs. Retweets?
The negative comments on the thread are greater than the likes on the thread.
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-Hughes
Lanish
not defending manish but i assume anything's possible. we were going to make jamal adams a jet for life was joe d's words
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Defensive player in an otherwise lost season starting to mature and come into his own after a decent rookie season.
Normally a silver lining for any organization, but of course a source of (manufactured IHMO) controversy for our beloved J-E-T-S.
FWIW, I WISH Q was on the first two Herm teams.
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Defensive player in an otherwise lost season starting to mature and come into his own after a decent rookie season.
Normally a silver lining for any organization, but of course a source of (manufactured IHMO) controversy for our beloved J-E-T-S.
FWIW, I WISH Q was on the first two Herm teams.
Instead we got Dewayne in year 3
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1321877961310691329?s=21
Damn now we gotta trade Q in addition to Perine. Those are the rules right?
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As an interior DLM, Williams is T-1st in stops (23), T-2nd in run stuffs (9), 7th in sacks (3) and 16th in disruptions (13), per NFL Next Gen Stats.
Not good or disruptive
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https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1321877961310691329?s=21
Damn now we gotta trade Q in addition to Perine. Those are the rules right?
Trade? You mean flat out cut.
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Trade? You mean flat out cut.
He's irrelevant now
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QuinnenWilliams: I want to thank everyone for their constant support. I have a big announcement, but I wanted you guys to hear it from ME first and not someone else. Go to my IG story for details: @ thequinnenwilliams
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El7FOdvWkAAfxnE?format=jpg&name=large)
lmaooooooooo
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Bless him.
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Gosh darned troll
Love it
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QAnon Williams for president.
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QAnon Williams for president.
dont you fuckin put that evil on him ricky bobby
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https://twitter.com/kylefaheynfl/status/1324371531967987712?s=21
Keep in mind we are only allowed to use these metrics when it says our guy is good
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Quinnen Williams ranks as a defensive tackle:
Run stop win rate: 1st
Pass rush win rate: 5th
>>ESPN metrics using NFL Next Gen Stats.
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The graphic says he's #2 in run stop rate, but still. Impressive work for him in year 2. If we can improve the coverage AT ALL, and possibly add an edge rusher of any redeemable skill, I would expect his sack numbers to skyrocket next year giving how often (and how quickly) he is winning.
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OK so I was definitely wrong about how his pass rush game was going to develop.
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we stopped posting 'Q sighting' in the game threads earlier this year because his sightings were just becoming much more commonplace. very happy with how he's developed and on top of that he seems like a good dude. will turn only 23 in december
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I love how he's playing. Huge piece going forward, we need to dominate the line of scrimmage and stop the run. The problem at the moment is opposing teams can throw at will because our secondary is inexperienced, hurt and/or bad.
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we stopped posting 'Q sighting' in the game threads earlier this year because his sightings were just becoming much more commonplace. very happy with how he's developed and on top of that he seems like a good dude. will turn only 23 in december
His age is why I was still confident in him going into this year.
I thought this was a huge year for Darnold and Quinnen. Year 3 for a QB and a potentially lame duck coach if things go wrong. He needed to have a good year to show that he would one day live up to his draft stock and be a long-term answer.
Year 2 for a DT drafted 3rd overall, kind of the same thing. As a 21-year old fresh out of college, I can understand him struggling against grown men as a rookie. Plus, he was injured. After a full offseason, even in a COVID offseason, I was hoping he would be a lot better this year, and he's even exceeded my expectations. He's showing that he very well could live up to that lofty draft stock, and that's difficult for a DT taken in the top 5.
There's a world where the 2022 Jets have a top-5 QB in Lawrence, a top-3 OT in Becton, and a top-3 DT in Quinnen. Becton and Quinnen are exciting building blocks.
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There's a world where the 2022 Jets have a top-5 QB in Lawrence, a top-3 OT in Becton, and a top-3 DT in Quinnen. Becton and Quinnen are exciting building blocks.
Is this a world where they let people into the games? Pretty sure I can live another two years.
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I highly doubt Lawrence will be a top 3 QB in 2022. I'd be ecstatic if he was top 10.
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I highly doubt Lawrence will be a top 3 QB in 2022. I'd be ecstatic if he was top 10.
Oh, I'm not saying that's the most likely outcome. But last year, Lamar Jackson won MVP in Year 2. In 2018, Patrick Mahomes won MVP in Year 2 (Year 1 as a starter). In 2017, Deshaun Watson was on an MVP pace before he got hurt as a rookie.
There's no reason Trevor Lawrence can't be a good quarterback in the NFL quickly. I certainly don't expect him to be the MVP in his 2nd season, but that is within his range of outcomes if we get the right coach and help around him.
Quarterbacks come in right away from college and put up big numbers now. We aren't used to it because we haven't had a top-5 scoring offense since the Bill Clinton era, but it could happen here, too.
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I'd be ecstatic if he was top 10.
You'll be ecstatic if they show his girl on TV.
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Quarterbacks come in right away from college and put up big numbers now. We aren't used to it because we haven't had a top-5 scoring offense since the Bill Clinton era, but it could happen here, too.
That made me curious, and I'm bored so I looked it up. The Jets have made the AFCCG five times in their history and only once was it with a Republican in the White House, and that was a fluke because it was '82 in the shortened season because of the player strike.
I think that we can all agree that on every level that matters the Trump era has been an unmitigated disaster, not least for the Jets. So freak the tank and freak Trevor Lawrence and freak whatever clown Chris Johnson finds slumped over the end of the bar at his local watering hole to give the head coach job to, because none of that matters. The real reason for optimism is that a Democrat in the White House gives the Jets a chance to be good again - the last one took us to consecutive AFCCGs.
Even mj will I'm sure agree that if a Democratic President means success for the Jets, it's a price worth abandoning his principles for.
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That made me curious, and I'm bored so I looked it up. The Jets have made the AFCCG five times in their history and only once was it with a Republican in the White House, and that was a fluke because it was '82 in the shortened season because of the player strike.
I think that we can all agree that on every level that matters the Trump era has been an unmitigated disaster, not least for the Jets. So freak the tank and freak Trevor Lawrence and freak whatever clown Chris Johnson finds slumped over the end of the bar at his local watering hole to give the head coach job to, because none of that matters. The real reason for optimism is that a Democrat in the White House gives the Jets a chance to be good again - the last one took us to consecutive AFCCGs.
Even mj will I'm sure agree that if a Democratic President means success for the Jets, it's a price worth abandoning his principles for.
Eight years of Clinton we had two winning seasons, and the same day we finally won the AFC East was the day he was impeached. We had the Kotite years in there too.
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The graphic says he's #2 in run stop rate, but still. Impressive work for him in year 2. If we can improve the coverage AT ALL, and possibly add an edge rusher of any redeemable skill, I would expect his sack numbers to skyrocket next year giving how often (and how quickly) he is winning.
The graphic:
(https://a2-espncdn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/a2.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2020%2F1124%2Fr780077_1280x720_16%2D9.jpg&w=1140&cquality=40&format=jpg)
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Ignoring the outlier and I’m guessing small sample size in Hank Aaron-
UUUUYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUUOOOUUUU
CONNNNNNN
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Edit: small but consistent snap count. Credit to Henry
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The graphic:
(https://a2-espncdn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/a2.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2020%2F1124%2Fr780077_1280x720_16%2D9.jpg&w=1140&cquality=40&format=jpg)
Yeah somethings different because whatever I looked at had Jeffery Simmons on top with a 52% rate. Perhaps it was a previous week?
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I'm just glad Manish couldn't poison the relationship with Quinnen like he did with Jamal. He tried at the deadline by saying we were trying to shop him. Every other beat writer immediately shot him down.
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I'm just glad Manish couldn't poison the relationship with Quinnen like he did with Jamal. He tried at the deadline by saying we were trying to shop him. Every other beat writer immediately shot him down.
He's such an epic level piece of excrement.
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Bless you, thank you
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Bless you, thank you
https://twitter.com/dril/status/1333817949623263232
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Thanks Badger
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I'm happy I don't need to change my avatar since we still haven't fixed that.
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I'm happy I don't need to change my avatar since we still haven't fixed that.
Pretty sure Alio semi-fixed it. You can post avatars again now, you just have to make sure they're no bigger than 150x150 because the software that does it automatically is borked.
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Pretty sure Alio semi-fixed it. You can post avatars again now, you just have to make sure they're no bigger than 150x150 because the software that does it automatically is borked.
I thought we were keeping that a secret so we could freak with people
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SO is it safe to be in this thread without a mask?
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SO is it safe to be in this thread without a mask?
No, we're all going to die.
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SO is it safe to be in this thread without a mask?
You need a mask, a buttplug, and a zubaz-brand condom.
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QUINNEN WILLIAMS
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I'm happy I don't need to change my avatar since we still haven't fixed that.
I haven't bothered, I quite love the irony of the avatar bestowed upon me.
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QUINNEN WILLIAMS
SAY MASK AGAIN
(http://www.thejetoffensive.com/upload_avatars/avatar_28_1583606098.png)
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I thought we were keeping that a secret so we could freak with people
Pretty sure that people knowing you can freak with their avatars doesn't prevent you from freaking with their avatars. Also, no one told me it was a secret. If you want me to be part of your dastardly plans you have to tell me.
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You need a mask, a buttplug, and a zubaz-brand condom.
2 out of 3 ain't bad.
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Pretty sure that people knowing you can freak with their avatars doesn't prevent you from freaking with their avatars. Also, no one told me it was a secret. If you want me to be part of your dastardly plans you have to tell me.
The key was them not knowing how to change it back.
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Q was on the Bart and Hahn show yesterday apparently. Talked a lot about his relationship with Becton. Looks like it's the 3rd one down on their list.
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/newyork/podcast/archive/_/id/20897135
Was a good listen, but they started by rambling about Philly for 2 mins or so before Q gets on.
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The key was them not knowing how to change it back.
I mean, that can be "fixed."
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The #Jets are going to put Quinnen Williams on the injured reserve. He just needs to clear the concussion protocol first. His season is over.
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The #Jets are going to put Quinnen Williams on the injured reserve. He just needs to clear the concussion protocol first. His season is over.
#Blessed
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A week to late apparently.
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A week to late apparently.
On Christmas morning I usually have coffee with Baileys, but this year I'm going to enjoy your salty tears.
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On Christmas morning I usually have coffee with Baileys, but this year I'm going to enjoy your salty tears.
Make that x2!
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On Christmas morning I usually have coffee with Baileys, but this year I'm going to enjoy your salty tears.
I’m glad it’s life sustaining for you
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https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/1345805279926087682?s=19
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https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/1345805279926087682?s=19
The Jets have been excrement at drafting. More news at 11.
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Actually, they have been pretty decent but they traded their 3 Dlinemen and then Jamal. It’s not that they sucked, we just traded them
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Actually, they have been pretty decent but they traded their 3 Dlinemen and then Jamal. It’s not that they sucked, we just traded them
! This claim about the Jets drafting track record is being disputed. Learn more about the Jets draft history here: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/draft.htm
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Q got excited because Connor Hughes has a PS5 behind him during a Zoom interview
He is a giant kid
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Q got excited because Connor Hughes has a PS5 behind him during a Zoom interview
He is a giant kid
(https://i.imgflip.com/3emrb2.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1346140024027410432?s=21
Strengf
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Q got excited because Connor Hughes has a PS5 behind him during a Zoom interview
He is a giant kid
Between the ps5 comment and wanted to be a leader you gotta love this kid.
https://youtu.be/1JXyGxvWIG0
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He's such a good kid, but he's still been drilled in the Nick Saban school of dealing with the media.
He's right about how young the defense is, and he's the best player on it. He needs to be a leader on defense. Sounds like Foley already is. Mosley was billed as a great leader, too.
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He's such a good kid, but he's still been drilled in the Nick Saban school of dealing with the media.
He's right about how young the defense is, and he's the best player on it. He needs to be a leader on defense. Sounds like Foley already is. Mosley was billed as a great leader, too.
I've gotten the vibe that Maye was the defacto leader of the defense
If for nothing but process of elimination
Of course who knows if he's even going to be on the team next year
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/COL03EEnvkJ/?igshid=10sw9qt653tdi
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The International House of Pressure
No. Stop trying to make that a thing. It's bad.
Bringing this back with the new defensive front
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Bringing this back with the new defensive front
Sons Of Anarchy was the best nickname we've had in some time, but I think it only worked for one season and didn't have time to catch on.
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Craftsman Truck Series.
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IHOP
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IHOP
It's not good like the Sons Of Anarchy, and it's not so bad it's good like Craftsman Truck Series. It's just crap.
Come up with a better one.
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It's not good like the Sons Of Anarchy, and it's not so bad it's good like Craftsman Truck Series. It's just crap.
Come up with a better one.
International
House
Of
Pressure
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International
House
Of
Pressure
You
Suck
At
Nicknames
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SBTCTS
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You
Suck
At
Nicknames
currY
Sheldon
cAnadian thanos
quiNnen
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You
Suck
At
Nicknames
Here's a nickname ......freak you
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Pocket Fuckers
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p sure Tommy is on the Craftsman Coke Series
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Craftsman Truck Series.
Goated
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Pocket Fuckers
I don't know if it's the Jets d line, a gameshow, or a sex toy, but I'm using it.
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Craftsman Truck Series.
Please delete your life.
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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16m
Level 1:
#Jets DL Quinnen Williams broke a small bone in his foot and likely will have surgery that’ll sideline him 8-10 weeks, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo
. That means no OTAs or minicamp for Williams, but he should be healthy in time for training camp.
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what the hell
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Damn how tf did that happen
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Damn how tf did that happen
all gas no brake?
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The bust tradition continues
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Can we just remove Alabama players from the draft pool
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Ardarius Stewart and Dee Milliner smiling with harambe from football heaven
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The bust tradition continues
I mean he was really good last year...and he'll be back for training camp
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I mean he was really good last year...and he'll be back for training camp
He'll never play again. It's over.
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amputate his foot
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Damn how tf did that happen
Dropped his bowling ball on his butcher knife.
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Such a random accident, but better today than in 2 months.
Dude will be fine. Might have a slower start to the season, but the way he dominated last year, he will get back to that by mid year. Especially considering he's not the only dude on the line any more. We actually have a stable of capable players all over the DL
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Can we just remove Alabama players from the draft pool and free agency
FYP
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Here's the headline in a couple of years when the Jets decline his 5th year option
"FREAK ACCIDENT IN 2021 DERAILS ONCE PROMISING CAREER OF Q. WILLIAMS"
"...he simply was never able to recover from that broken foot injury"
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Glad we have 47 DL
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Damn how tf did that happen
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1389581977305628677?s=19
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If only we took a DT top 3...
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1389581977305628677?s=19
Not worried. The only thing that stinks is that he'll miss out on getting aclimated to Saleh's defense during OTAs. But i'm sure he'll get caught up in TC.
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Not worried. The only thing that stinks is that he'll miss out on getting aclimated to Saleh's defense during OTAs. But i'm sure he'll get caught up in TC.
Even then he'll still be in all the meetings and able to do walkthroughs, so the only thing he'll really miss out on is probably some of the early conditioning work.
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Apparently Quinnen got married too....maybe broke his foot tappin dat derriere
Quinnen Williams
@QuinnenWilliams
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45m
Mr. & Mrs. WILLIAMS
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1389581977305628677?s=19
Love the work ethic and all but beyond the vague 'on-field work' what exactly happened?
small bone = surgery/8-10 weeks? JFC
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Even then he'll still be in all the meetings and able to do walkthroughs, so the only thing he'll really miss out on is probably some of the early conditioning work.
Yeah, so instead of him declining to attend non-mandatory workouts, he can hang around and watch some film.
If it was going to happen, better now than a couple of months from now.
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It’s better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all
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All these freaking reporters and all this social media excrement and nobody can report what bone he broke or how he did it?
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All these freaking reporters and all this social media excrement and nobody can report what bone he broke or how he did it?
Brian Costello: "it didn't happen on his birthday"
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Brian Costello: "it didn't happen on his birthday"
Connor Hughes: It happened because he thought Spiderman 2 was better than Incredible Hulk
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Love the work ethic and all but beyond the vague 'on-field work' what exactly happened?
small bone = surgery/8-10 weeks? JFC
Our star defender broke a bone at the Jets facility a week ago and we're just finding out today. Not BEAN, beat guys
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Connor Hughes: It happened because he thought Spiderman 2 was better than Incredible Hulk
Rich Cimini: "here's the story of a former Jets player who was on track to be a star until his career was ruined by a seemingly minor injury"
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Connor Hughes: It happened because he thought Spiderman 2 was better than Incredible Hulk
Rich Cimini: What type of cap savings could the Jets receive from cutting Quinnen Williams?
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DCiMini: What type of cap savings could the Jets receive from cutting Quinnen Williams?
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A small bone in Q's foot is probably about the size of my tibia.
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I'd imagine a small bone fracture is worse than a large bone one as far as recovery and what not
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RIP Quinnen Williams
Blessed be thy name
Thank thou
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https://twitter.com/NyjMike/status/1390710771722694661
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Highest pass-rush win rates from a nose tackle alignment in 2020, per @PFF:
1. Quinnen Williams (14.7%)
2. Dalvin Tomlinson (14.5%)
3. Derrick Brown (12.7%)
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Highest pass-rush win rates from a nose tackle alignment in 2020, per @PFF:
1. Quinnen Williams (14.7%)
2. Dalvin Tomlinson (14.5%)
3. Derrick Brown (12.7%)
Derrick Brown is going to destroy mcgovern week 1
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https://twitter.com/boygreen25/status/1412429019467980801?s=21
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Against the Panthers Q beat his man so badly he assumed it had to be a screen and fell back into coverage:
https://twitter.com/Matt__Weston/status/1440788328278757384
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Against the Panthers Q beat his man so badly he assumed it had to be a screen and fell back into coverage:
https://twitter.com/Matt__Weston/status/1440788328278757384
This has to be one of the most frustrating things I've seen from that game. That should probably should have been a Darnold injury.
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Against the Panthers Q beat his man so badly he assumed it had to be a screen and fell back into coverage:
https://twitter.com/Matt__Weston/status/1440788328278757384
I'm assuming that the tweet is being sarcastic, given Q is listed at 6'3 303 and Elflein at 6'3 305.
No idea what he was thinking there though. If it had been a screen it was too late for him to do anything in coverage anyway; you've got the straight shot to the QB, freaking take it.
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Q: KTQB
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No idea what he was thinking there though. If it had been a screen it was too late for him to do anything in coverage anyway; you've got the straight shot to the QB, freaking take it.
It’s a smart play.
Watch McCaffrey. Williams dropped into Sam’s passing lane. CMC just made a hell of a play by seeing it and then taking the option route across the middle.
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Michael Nania
@Michael_Nania
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1h
Quinnen Williams has 9 pressures on 60 pass-rush snaps this season
15.0% pressure rate
3rd-best out of 110 qualified IDL
#bust
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https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1442583488365010944
Saban taught him well.
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https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1442583488365010944
Saban taught him well.
Q might have that big funny childlike demeanour about him, but he also does a "you really don't want to be pushing me" look when he wants to.
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I like the response. He can become a leader. He is a great player on the verge of becoming elite.
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I like the response. He can become a leader. He is a great player on the verge of becoming a bust.
FTFY
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Q is the least of our worries. he showed up in a huge way last year and is going to show up this year, no doubt about it. even with anime carl blowing his achilles we still have some fine quality pieces on the OL.
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Never doubted him as evidenced by my unchanged avatar.
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6 tackles, 2 sacks
#bust
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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4m
The Williams brothers, interviewed by @JeaneCoakley
, the first brother tandem to record sacks for the same team in the same game since it became an official stat:
Quinnen: “That’s dope, man.” #Jets
yarp
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i know it's one game but there is a possibility that quincy can at the very least be a serviceable player for us on this D. not somebody imaginary like blake cashman or our own version of forrest gump in harvey langi
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6 tackles, 2 sacks
Tailgate Magic.
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i know it's one game but there is a possibility that quincy can at the very least be a serviceable player for us on this D. not somebody imaginary like blake cashman or our own version of forrest gump in harvey langi
I'm excited to see how he will look with Davis back
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The bustest bust in busts history.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1444770524337516554
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1445059386548830220?s=21
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Yesterday was his best game as a Jet. He was absolutely dominant up front.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1445059386548830220?s=21
They're each other's number upside down.
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Does Quinnen have any more brothers we can sign? Maybe a safety named Quintonio?
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Quincynt Wyllyams
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Queynte Williams
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Does Quinnen have any more brothers we can sign? Maybe a safety named Quintonio?
Quintuiski Tartt Williams, their half-polish brother from another mother
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1480588212431200268?s=20
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1480588212431200268?s=20
Good for him to want that.
Hard to quantify his value right now. He has tons of potential and flashes of utter dominance. But injuries and supporting cast have left him not producing for long stretches. Should we pay him like a superstar? Or do we wait for his production to catch up first?
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Fletcher cox makes 17 mil a year. If we want to pay q in the 12 range fine, but anymore than that he needs to wait and prove his value.
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https://twitter.com/CBSMornings/status/1487421332010717184?t=KE2GN5VP902kByJsLwRvag&s=19
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https://twitter.com/CBSMornings/status/1487421332010717184?t=KE2GN5VP902kByJsLwRvag&s=19
damn, who knew dana jacobson was kinda thicc
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damn, who knew dana jacobson was kinda thicc
Most people with TVs, probably.
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Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
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10m
The Jets have picked up DT Quinnen Williams' fifth-year option for 2023, per source. So he's locked in on fully-guaranteed money the next two years.
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Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
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10m
The Jets have picked up DT Quinnen Williams' fifth-year option for 2023, per source. So he's locked in on fully-guaranteed money the next two years.
No-brainer. The extension, on the other hand, is another story. I really can't say what he deserves until after this season.
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No-brainer. The extension, on the other hand, is another story. I really can't say what he deserves until after this season.
Pretty much
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I normally don't give a excrement about these, but look at Q yank that center around.
https://twitter.com/dlinevids1/status/1527885423459987456?t=cqbBEu4xRtwio_hEZZfb0g&s=19
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It’s not Kris Jenkins Vs the Texans, but it’s nice to see
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I normally don't give a excrement about these, but look at Q yank that center around.
https://twitter.com/dlinevids1/status/1527885423459987456?t=cqbBEu4xRtwio_hEZZfb0g&s=19
Textbook destruction of the pin/pull.
The center getting rag-dolled is great, but his ability to read that guard and make the play is better.
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Q Willms & JFM : pls continue the improvement
and the front 7 2022 draftees;;
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Quinnen is 24 and doesn't turn 25 until December 21st.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/33978366/280-million-kyler-murray-how-much-money-nick-bosa-deebo-samuel-get
Contract projections for Quinnen.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/33978366/280-million-kyler-murray-how-much-money-nick-bosa-deebo-samuel-get
Contract projections for Quinnen.
ESPN+, blocked
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5. Quinnen Williams, DT, New York Jets
No. 3 overall pick
Williams didn't get off to the blazing fast start that many anticipated after a remarkable final college season at Alabama, but he has shown plenty of flashes through three seasons. The Jets should remain optimistic that he can become one of the best players at his position in due time, particularly as an interior pass-rusher.
Over the last two seasons, Williams' 73 quarterback pressures are a top-20 mark among interior defenders, and his 77.1 pass-rush grade ranks 15th. Now entering his second season under head coach Robert Saleh with more talent along the defensive line around him -- such as edge defenders Carl Lawson and rookie Jermaine Johnson II -- Williams could have a breakout campaign in his fourth season.
Free-agent addition cornerback D.J. Reed and 2022 fourth overall pick cornerback Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner also figure to keep the ball in opposing quarterbacks' hands longer after the snap, which could help Williams get home more frequently.
All of that said, this deal may not come until after the 2022 season, which gives Williams a great opportunity to boost his value as much as possible before cashing in.
Contract projection: Five years, $102.5 million ($20.5 million per year), $65 million total guaranteed
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5. Quinnen Williams, DT, New York Jets
No. 3 overall pick
Williams didn't get off to the blazing fast start that many anticipated after a remarkable final college season at Alabama, but he has shown plenty of flashes through three seasons. The Jets should remain optimistic that he can become one of the best players at his position in due time, particularly as an interior pass-rusher.
Over the last two seasons, Williams' 73 quarterback pressures are a top-20 mark among interior defenders, and his 77.1 pass-rush grade ranks 15th. Now entering his second season under head coach Robert Saleh with more talent along the defensive line around him -- such as edge defenders Carl Lawson and rookie Jermaine Johnson II -- Williams could have a breakout campaign in his fourth season.
Free-agent addition cornerback D.J. Reed and 2022 fourth overall pick cornerback Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner also figure to keep the ball in opposing quarterbacks' hands longer after the snap, which could help Williams get home more frequently.
All of that said, this deal may not come until after the 2022 season, which gives Williams a great opportunity to boost his value as much as possible before cashing in.
Contract projection: Five years, $102.5 million ($20.5 million per year), $65 million total guaranteed
I'm not suggesting we jerk Williams around
But wouldn't this make him a prime franchise tag candidate?
Meaning it doesn't make a tremendous amount of sense to extend him right now, unless it's a fairly team friendly deal
As far as I can tell as could tag him back to back and save money.
Again not suggesting that we do that, but why pay the guy way more than you need to.
This team has leverage in negotiating here
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What went wrong in your life?
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Let the season play out, see what kind of team we have. If the defense plays well and the team is clearly better and knocking on the door of playoff contention, maybe sign him to a good deal. If we are turds again and the defense is mediocre, I don't see it making sense to sink north of $20 million a year into a DL, especially if he's just playing OK.
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What went wrong in your life?
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It was a post about Williams contract situation. I'm discussing his contract situation.
Conservatively the dudes under team control for 3 more years, and realistically a 4th year of team control with a back to back tag is on the table.
To me it simply doesn't make sense discussing giving him a 100 million dollar contract right now.
Is that fair market value for him? 100%. But is that the best thing for the team from both a cap standpoint and setting a precedent for future 1st round picks? Probably not
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It was a post about Williams contract situation. I'm discussing his contract situation.
Conservatively the dudes under team control for 3 more years, and realistically a 4th year of team control with a back to back tag is on the table.
To me it simply doesn't make sense discussing giving him a 100 million dollar contract right now.
Is that fair market value for him? 100%. But is that the best thing for the team from both a cap standpoint and setting a precedent for future 1st round picks? Probably not
First round picks who become elite players generally get a big boy contract at the end of 3 years.
First round picks who become excellent players generally get one at the end of 4 years.
If you let a top player play out his 4 years plus his option year then you're putting him on the edge of FA and playing the market. You don't let top players get a sniff of the market.
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First round picks who become elite players generally get a big boy contract at the end of 3 years.
First round picks who become excellent players generally get one at the end of 4 years.
If you let a top player play out his 4 years plus his option year then you're putting him on the edge of FA and playing the market. You don't let top players get a sniff of the market.
He's a DT, so in this case back to back franchise tags are on the table.
And is Williams Elite? I know he's superb at stopping the run.
More importantly my thinking is this team has a ton of really talented young players that are all going to get due for contracts at the exact same time.
Moore, Wilson, Sauce, Wilson, JJ. There could be other guys too, but I'm just saying this teams going to need a really healthy cap situation.
Do I think Williams is part of the long term plan? Definitely.
But we also thought that about Wilkerson
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He's a DT, so in this case back to back franchise tags are on the table.
And is Williams Elite? I know he's superb at stopping the run.
More importantly my thinking is this team has a ton of really talented young players that are all going to get due for contracts at the exact same time.
Moore, Wilson, Sauce, Wilson, JJ. There could be other guys too, but I'm just saying this teams going to need a really healthy cap situation.
Do I think Williams is part of the long term plan? Definitely.
But we also thought that about Wilkerson
Franchise tags mean one of two things: either the player has stupid demands, or the team isn't convinced he's worth a long term deal.
I might not be that fussed about giving him a deal this summer unless his demands are incredibly reasonable, but neither am I looking at how many years I can eke it out until I have to because at that point it probably won't be an option. He'll likely get a new deal next year.
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Franchise tags mean one of two things: either the player has stupid demands, or the team isn't convinced he's worth a long term deal.
I might not be that fussed about giving him a deal this summer unless his demands are incredibly reasonable, but neither am I looking at how many years I can eke it out until I have to because at that point it probably won't be an option. He'll likely get a new deal next year.
Franchise tags also mean the player plays a position where the franchise tag gives favorable value to a team.
Look at the players who are typically franchise tagged.
It's disproportionately OT, safeties, TEs and interior DL.
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Franchise tags also mean the player plays a position where the franchise tag gives favorable value to a team.
Look at the players who are typically franchise tagged.
It's disproportionately OT, safeties, TEs and interior DL.
OK, now follow your own logic through to its natural conclusion.
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OK, now follow your own logic through to its natural conclusion.
I'm guilty of as much
But the team will do what it's gotta do
I jsut don't expect an extension this year
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But I guess it could also make sense to extend him sooner than later, so there's no guaranteed money left when all the young guys are due for theirs, to remain flexible and what not
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I'm guilty of as much
But the team will do what it's gotta do
I jsut don't expect an extension this year
So you're arguing the same as both the article and me said, which is that he'll probably get his deal at the end of his fourth year. Cool. Good talk.
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I don't think anyone is saying to sign him now. Just posting what some projections for what we might have to pay are if he takes a logical step forward. If he plateaus, he'll get less. If he becomes the star we hoped we drafted, he'll get more, and it will be wonderful.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1562517316751003648?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1562517316751003648?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Ugh, "best shape of his life." Is there a more cursed phrase in all of sports?
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Ugh, "best shape of his life." Is there a more cursed phrase in all of sports?
I'd argue Dream Team is more cursed because people are afraid to use it anymore. BSOHL gets thrown around all year.
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he good
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he good
Play him more often
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he good
Maccagnan knew...
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Maccagnan knew...
And Mr. Coffeecups followed that up with Jackyl Polite (out of football FA), Chum Ebola (waived-Atl), Trevon Wesco (waived-Chi) and Brake Crashman (IR)
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1579197530235191297
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1579197530235191297
Inject this directly into my veins
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Inject this directly into my veins
https://twitter.com/CYJpod/status/1579213925782278145
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Q has recorded at least a partial sack in 5 straight games.
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Ugh, "best shape of his life." Is there a more cursed phrase in all of sports?
Well, he is indeed in the best shape of his life 😁
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Well, he is indeed in the best shape of his life 😁
He’s sure as excrement playing the best football of his life right now
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PFF gave him a 64.5.....
lol
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PFF gave him a 64.5.....
lol
PFF sucks.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1582079164277989377
Nice words from Curry
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Love overly specific stats
https://twitter.com/NYJetsPR/status/1582002225404350466?s=20&t=5PApiHChuF-QkCYaSjfm6A
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PFF gave him a 64.5.....
lol
That grade is out of 50 right?
/S
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we extend Quinnen yet?
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Love overly specific stats
https://twitter.com/NYJetsPR/status/1582002225404350466?s=20&t=5PApiHChuF-QkCYaSjfm6A
Always good when there are so many qualifiers you can't even fit the guy 's first name
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I remember how much I wanted Carlos Dunlap in 2010
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AFC Defensive Player of the Week… but PFF said he sucked?
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Well that can't be right.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfXWG9SWAAMHqfm?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
How can Quinnen be the player of the week when he graded so much worse than at least two other AFC players?
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I've been telling you why they're wrong for years and years
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I've been telling you why they're wrong for years and years
To be fair you've been telling everyone why everyone is wrong except you for years and years.
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LOL
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To be fair you've been telling everyone why everyone is wrong except you for years and years.
This
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To be fair you've been telling everyone why everyone is wrong except you for years and years.
Never given this high of a grade or ever....5 honks.
And never will
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https://twitter.com/ZackBlatt/status/1584525683279044608
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AFC Defensive Player Of The Month:
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1588146476856668164
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Quinnen got defensive player of the month
EDIT: I was gonna say F U JE...but then he posted a pic of Derrick Henry. Lol
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Quinnen got defensive player of the month
Damn right he did.
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Did you click the link? It's the official announcement from the NFL of all three AFC POTMs. Don't blame me if your ADHD prevents you from actually reading what's in a link.
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Did you click the link? It's the official announcement from the NFL of all three AFC POTMs. Don't blame me if your ADHD prevents you from actually reading what's in a link.
go click your butthole
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There is no argument about resigning Q any more. The only question is how much do we have to pay the guy?
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There is no argument about resigning Q any more. The only question is how much do we have to pay the guy?
Give him whatever he wants
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Give him whatever he wants
and hope he doesn't go away
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Give him whatever he wants
Bring back Quincy, too. Keep the family together.
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Bring back Quincy, too. Keep the family together.
Family genes. Looking at the other two (TN Titans' Derrick Henry and Ryan Stonehouse), turns out Derrick Henry's dad was a bonafide badass while Titan punter Ryan Stonehouse's dad was a punter for Stanford (uncles were punters at USC and Wash. St.).
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It's the bye week....the perfect time to sign this big, beautiful bastard to a long term deal.
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Jetsiest thing to ever happen: Jets lose their best defensive player to leg injury while playing defense and resting said player to keep him fresh.
I see you football gods, I acknowledge the dodged bullet, and I am grateful.
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Jetsiest thing to ever happen: Jets lose their best defensive player to leg injury while playing defense and resting said player to keep him fresh.
I see you football gods, I acknowledge the dodged bullet, and I am grateful.
Might sacrifice a goat tomorrow so they really know how grateful we are.
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https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1589604040073412610
They’re playing him, now pay him
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Update: he's fine, Cato
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Dirty Badger
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https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1600588857287839745?s=20&t=gdhW8xmjwCIG7rhu_DURfw
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Dirty Badger
New band name, called it.
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New band name, called it.
Too late.
https://www.facebook.com/thedbadger/
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Too late.
https://www.facebook.com/thedbadger/
freak
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/Kb46jUzupndLR38i8k/giphy.gif)
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That’s awesome
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When's the last time we had a DL as good as Quinnen? Half a season of Kris Jenkins?
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When's the last time we had a DL as good as Quinnen? Half a season of Kris Jenkins?
Kris Jenkins was a freaking animal.
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Kris Jenkins was the best DL we ever had . For 1 season
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I literally got a Jenkins jersey after that yr . Then he tore his knee and I retired it and haven't bought another since
My only other jersey
Curtis Martin with a knee injury from zach Taylor
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Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
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1h
Robert Saleh said Quinnen Williams has a chance to play next week, according to #Jets trainers.
this is what i needed to hear. Sorry if it was posted elsewhere.
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That is good news. Hopefully there aren't any lingering issues.
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Kris Jenkins was the best DL we ever had . For 1 season
I think it was more 8 games not even a season. He was an absolute freak of nature.
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I think it was more 8 games not even a season. He was an absolute freak of nature.
And it was as a nose tackle in a very conservative read and react defense.
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And it was as a nose tackle in a very conservative read and react defense.
He was he rag dolled grown derriere men like they were tackling dummies, Aaron Donald before Aaron Donald.
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Update: he's fine, Cato
I blame you for this.
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(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii219/losloseeboy/jetex.gif)
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He was he rag dolled grown derriere men like they were tackling dummies, Aaron Donald before Aaron Donald.
I honestly think if Jenkins was healthy he could very well have been that good.
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I honestly think if Jenkins was healthy he could very well have been that good.
There's no reason to think otherwise.
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I honestly think if Jenkins was healthy he could very well have been that good.
No doubt in my mind.
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I blame you for this.
I'll take day to day as fine.
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2022 Team MVP
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2022 Team MVP
pay the man
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Kill Geno then Tua/Teddy, win prize$
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Hired Gregg Williams for 1 week bountygate 2.0
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https://twitter.com/jamiestuartTV/status/1608955055243407360?s=20&t=glzHgvYNzeyVCwGOvhAOWA
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https://twitter.com/jamiestuartTV/status/1608955055243407360?s=20&t=glzHgvYNzeyVCwGOvhAOWA
Then man is a national treasure and must be protected at all costs
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https://twitter.com/jamiestuartTV/status/1608955055243407360?s=20&t=glzHgvYNzeyVCwGOvhAOWA
i fvcking love his celebration lmao, there have been some times this year i've done that arm motion when he's gotten a big sack. nice to find out what it actually means
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Antwan V. Staley
@antwanstaley
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Jets DT Quinnen Williams: "Everybody knows I'm a team guy, but I do want to get a contract done before the offseason program."
Us too, big man.
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pay him
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pay him
He followed that up saying he won't participate in OTAs if his contract isn't taken care of first.
This signing should be a slam dunk for Douglas...get it done.
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I know it won't come without a few headaches, deals never do, but if they don't get this done at some point I don't know what else to say. Proved himself, kept his nose clean, wants to stay here.
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I know it won't come without a few headaches, deals never do, but if they don't get this done at some point I don't know what else to say. Proved himself, kept his nose clean, wants to stay here.
This guy is on Aaron Donald's level. This shouldn't be hard for Douglas.
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He followed that up saying he won't participate in OTAs if his contract isn't taken care of first.
He should hold out if they don't pay him. He's done everything the right way. Make him the highest paid DT in the league.
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How long has it been since we don't offer a second contract to a 1st round pick? Wilkerson?
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He should hold out if they don't pay him. He's done everything the right way. Make him the highest paid DT in the league.
If they don't pay him and he ends up holding out....my heel turn on Douglas will happen.
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Gove this man his money.
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Antwan V. Staley
@antwanstaley
Quinnen Williams says he wants to be part of "New York Sack Exchange 2.0."
I love this man #nohomo
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This guy is on Aaron Donald's level. This shouldn't be hard for Douglas.
Eh, I'm not sure he's quite there and Donald's contract is an insane outlier - he gets $10M a year more than any other DT.
I'm good with making Q the second highest paid in the league with a number in the low-mid 20s. Chris Jones is on $20M and coming into his last year, DJ Reader makes $13M and is coming into his last year. Those guys seem like solid comps for Q and I think they're all going to get low-mid 20s.
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Eh, I'm not sure he's quite there and Donald's contract is an insane outlier - he gets $10M a year more than any other DT.
I'm good with making Q the second highest paid in the league with a number in the low-mid 20s. Chris Jones is on $20M and coming into his last year, DJ Reader makes $13M and is coming into his last year. Those guys seem like solid comps for Q and I think they're all going to get low-mid 20s.
he's definitely in the same tier.
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I know it won't come without a few headaches, deals never do, but if they don't get this done at some point I don't know what else to say. Proved himself, kept his nose clean, wants to stay here.
(https://i.ibb.co/YDVS0tc/Screen-Shot-2020-03-06-at-1-32-19-PM.png)
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he's definitely in the same tier.
He might be right now, but I don't think anyone is giving 2023 Aaron Donald a $30M contract. Remember he got this deal coming off the back of a 20 sack season, then they extended it to give themselves an out after next year. Q's one of the best tackles in the league and deserves to be paid like it, but he isn't the force of nature that Donald was in his mid-late 20s. I think Donald's contract has to be taken out of the conversation.
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He might be right now, but I don't think anyone is giving 2023 Aaron Donald a $30M contract. Remember he got this deal coming off the back of a 20 sack season, then they extended it to give themselves an out after next year. Q's one of the best tackles in the league and deserves to be paid like it, but he isn't the force of nature that Donald was in his mid-late 20s. I think Donald's contract has to be taken out of the conversation.
I was only referring to his talent level. I have no idea what his contract will look like. At first glance, i would assume it'll be slightly lower than Donald's.
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Eh, I'm not sure he's quite there and Donald's contract is an insane outlier - he gets $10M a year more than any other DT.
I'm good with making Q the second highest paid in the league with a number in the low-mid 20s. Chris Jones is on $20M and coming into his last year, DJ Reader makes $13M and is coming into his last year. Those guys seem like solid comps for Q and I think they're all going to get low-mid 20s.
I agree. Statwise he is up there with Donald, but that contract is crazy. Donald proved he could put up double digits sacks and disrupt for multiple years. Assuming healthy I believe Q will also.
Some of those deals below him are a couple of years old, so he should push well beyond those. He should approach Donald's deal, but not quite.
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Donald's contract also may have been a "Please don't retire" contract.
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
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Quinnen Williams puts contract pressure on Jets with offseason threat https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/quinnen-williams-puts-sudden-contract-pressure-on-jets/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
via @nypostsports
lol...our beat is the worst. Quinnen didn't make any threats. He said he "might" not participate in the voluntary portion of the workouts if he isn't signed.
I hope someone shits on Costello's windshield.
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lol...our beat is the worst. Quinnen didn't make any threats. He said he "might" not participate in the voluntary portion of the workouts if he isn't signed.
I hope someone shits on Costello's windshield.
Then who is gonna tweet out all the freaking birthdays of every Jets character that ever existed that no one gives a a freak about? I swear, if I don't get a tweet about Damien Woody's birthday, the blood is on your hands.
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Obviously, Joe D needs to make it through the week with a vote of confidence from Woody, but as soon as he has that, he should be sitting with Q's agent and getting something done.
Bring back Li'l Q too.
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According to Rich Cimini of ESPN, #Jets DL Quinnen Williams (@QuinnenWilliams) "is thought to be seeking more than $21 million per year, the second-highest salary among defensive tackles" on a brand new contract this offseason.
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Qreg Dortch
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Does Quinnen have any more brothers we can sign? Maybe a safety named Quintonio?
Qreg Dortch
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Second highest in the league seems correct.
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Bring back Li'l Q too.
Depends on the price tag. Quinnen gets whatever he wants; Quincy gets as little as possible.
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Depends on the price tag. Quinnen gets whatever he wants; Quincy gets as little as possible.
After we re-sign Quinnen I will be more concerned about Kwon or Huff.
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After we re-sign Quinnen I will be more concerned about Kwon or Huff.
Huff's an RFA, he should be back for cheap
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Huff's an RFA, he should be back for cheap
freak, I keep forgetting that. Kwon, though.
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Huff's an RFA, he should be back for cheap
Won't be that cheap. 2nd-round tender probably around $4.2M. And I could easily see Huff trying to sign an offer sheet elsewhere for more money and more playing time.
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Won't be that cheap. 2nd-round tender probably around $4.2M. And I could easily see Huff trying to sign an offer sheet elsewhere for more money and more playing time.
I'll take a second rounder for him.
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Depends on the price tag. Quinnen gets whatever he wants; Quincy gets as little as possible.
Not looking to break the bank here, but he's a good player. The only guy who seemed to be around more tackles was Mosely.
And for good reason. Mosely had 99 solo, 59 assisted tackles, 158 total; Li'l Q had 79 and 32 for 106. Both players were first and second on the team in all three categories. Reed was 3rd solo (63), Whitehead 3rd assisted (31), and Whitehead 3rd total (89)
After we re-sign Quinnen I will be more concerned about Kwon or Huff.
I'd like to bring Kwon back as well, but Q had an underrated impact on the defense. And if they use Mosely for salary savings, it would be rough to replace their combined production.
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Not looking to break the bank here, but he's a good player. The only guy who seemed to be around more tackles was Mosely.
And for good reason. Mosely had 99 solo, 59 assisted tackles, 158 total; Li'l Q had 79 and 32 for 106. Both players were first and second on the team in all three categories. Reed was 3rd solo (63), Whitehead 3rd assisted (31), and Whitehead 3rd total (89)
I'd like to bring Kwon back as well, but Q had an underrated impact on the defense. And if they use Mosely for salary savings, it would be rough to replace their combined production.
I don't really care about tackles as a metric for linebacker quality. But I do agree with you, he's a capable player and I really do believe he's going to continue to get better as he gets smarter and more experienced. A Demario Davis career track would not surprise me and it'll suck to let another one go. But if it's the difference between re-signing him and getting quality FA's on the offensive line... sayonara Quincy-san.
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Won't be that cheap. 2nd-round tender probably around $4.2M. And I could easily see Huff trying to sign an offer sheet elsewhere for more money and more playing time.
I won't be too upset if our situational pass rusher turns into a 2nd round pick, but he's definitely a higher priority than Quincy.
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5 yr 24 mil per . Guarantee half of it
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Get him to take a pay cut to keep his brother on the team. /s
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5 yr 24 mil per . Guarantee half of it
Projections I've seen have been a little lower than that
Closer to 20 million a year with 2/3 guaranteed
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Get him to take a pay cut to keep his brother on the team. /s
$27M per year for the Williams family. Figure out between you who gets what.
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Projections I've seen have been a little lower than that
Closer to 20 million a year with 2/3 guaranteed
Buckner and Jones get $21M, so he'll want and likely get a bit more than that.
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$27M per year for the Williams family. Figure out between you who gets what.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2014/09/29/phoenix-suns-markieff-marcus-morris-contract-nba-lon-babby/16457719/
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Projections I've seen have been a little lower than that
Closer to 20 million a year with 2/3 guaranteed
Leonard Williams is avg around 21 mil
Donald at 31
He is better than williams and deserves more imo .
Expect 22-25 imo
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Buckner and Jones get $21M, so he'll want and likely get a bit more than that.
Didn't those guys both have unique contract situations though?
Wasn't Buckner a UFA which automatically inflates his bottom line
Jones had 0 guaranteed money the final year of his deal, so the Chiefs could cut him and forgo over 20 million
And Williams has a 5th year option plus the threat of tagging him after. Giving us a heavy amount of leverage.
I'm not suggesting we freak the guy over or be an obnoxious poopchute.
I'm suggesting that we're in a position where we Williams can get a good but not great deal, and we should be able to get a very good deal
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Leonard Williams is avg around 21 mil
Donald at 31
He is better than williams and deserves more imo .
Expect 22-25 imo
Wasn't Williams franchise tagged twice?
Entirely different leverage
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Wasn't Williams franchise tagged twice?
Entirely different leverage
Not really
Williams is a top 5 interior player on a franchise that hasn't retained a single 1st rd pick since Wilkerson
He has leverage lol . You see the defense without him or the fact he played at a top tier level at 25?
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I'm not gonna argue
The kid said he won't be at voluntary otas without a deal and I don't blame him
We're not getting a discount . Nor should we
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Not really
Williams is a top 5 interior player on a franchise that hasn't retained a single 1st rd pick since Wilkerson
He has leverage lol . You see the defense without him or the fact he played at a top tier level at 25?
I'm not gonna argue
The kid said he won't be at voluntary otas without a deal and I don't blame him
We're not getting a discount . Nor should we
I don't get it
Are you suggesting that a player threatening to skip voluntary team activities gives him leverage? He's not going to miss mandatory team activities or games.
If we let him play out this year, then franchise tag him, and potentially franchise tag him yet again he would still cost less per year than a 25m/yr extension
I'm talking about getting favorable terms not a "discount"
The Jets have all the leverage for now,
Williams got tagged twice, he had all the leverage then
This isn't to suggest being assholes and not extending him for another 2 years. Just that giving him 25 million a year isn't the right play
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I don't get it
Are you suggesting that a player threatening to skip voluntary team activities gives him leverage? He's not going to miss mandatory team activities or games.
If we let him play out this year, then franchise tag him, and potentially franchise tag him yet again he would still cost less per year than a 25m/yr extension
I'm talking about getting favorable terms not a "discount"
The Jets have all the leverage for now,
Williams got tagged twice, he had all the leverage then
This isn't to suggest being assholes and not extending him for another 2 years. Just that giving him 25 million a year isn't the right play
I'm not saying make it the first offer . What I'm saying is if you want to show the locker room what staying through a bad regime and developing is worth to the organization you don't play the hardball where you offer less than top 5 money then threaten franchise tags . They're aware of it that should be your last resort
We need interior depth even if williams on the roster
So yes I'd argue he has leverage
Were not at any disadvantage but the idea of going r8ght to threatening franchise tag when somewhere north of 20 mil will be fair market value and a steal by the time the contract is up .
I'm more concerned witb length. I'd prefer to lock him down for 5 yrs instead of him fishing for a final pay day at 29
If he's still worth it at that ppint then you worry
I'm bringing up what I think final figures will be
If im Williams I'm starting at 25 and hoping to land above 21
Anything under 20 is an insult imo
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Cimini just even tweeted he expects quinnen to go "well north of 21 mil per "
Yeah I agree
And let's hope it lands in the 22 to 24 range
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Quinnen had more sacks than Aaron Donald had games played
Not an All Pro
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(https://i.redd.it/1lefs7dmp3fa1.jpg)
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(https://i.redd.it/1lefs7dmp3fa1.jpg)
He's right, but not necessary.
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Jeffery Simmons just signed a 4-year $94M extension. That should give us an idea what Quinnen's extension will look like.
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$100M for Q
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$100M for Q
Guessing or official?
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Guessing or official?
He's in the bushes at 1JD.
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He's in the bushes at 1JD.
I'm in the sewers
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I mean if Payne got 22.5 Q is getting at least 25 per lol
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Guessing or official?
Might as well be both. He's getting $100M.
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I mean if Payne got 22.5 Q is getting at least 25 per lol
He likely will, but I’ll be curious to see how much he resets the market for DT #2
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Let the negotiations begin
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1647908164002611200?t=RwMgI7bI6LhhlnnO16WxrA&s=19
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Let the negotiations begin
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1647908164002611200?t=RwMgI7bI6LhhlnnO16WxrA&s=19
Let's hurry up and sign this beautiful bastard.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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The two sides have been negotiating over the last few weeks with hopes of finding a solution. Not there yet. So no Quinnen for now.
At least JD isn't sitting on his thumb with this.
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Let's hurry up and sign this beautiful bastard.
At least JD isn't sitting on his thumb with this.
EDIT: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/national/story/2023-04-17/ap-source-jets-quinnen-williams-skips-start-of-workouts
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Now that Rodgers is a jet...let's pay this man.
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Now that Rodgers is a jet...let's pay this man.
Yes
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Spitballing number, 5 yrs., 125m with 80m guaranteed?
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Spitballing number, 5 yrs., 125m with 80m guaranteed?
About what I'd expect
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Well what does this mean you big beautiful bastard?
https://twitter.com/QuinnenWilliams/status/1650927802089086978
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Well what does this mean you big beautiful bastard?
https://twitter.com/QuinnenWilliams/status/1650927802089086978
he's holding out, babbie
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Well what does this mean you big beautiful bastard?
https://twitter.com/QuinnenWilliams/status/1650927802089086978
Either way, Kermit drinking tea has two different (but similar) slang meanings.
It can be used after dishing out an insult or pointing out something insane and ridiculous to put a sassy cap on your point. It can also be used to indicate that, while you have no intention of gossiping yourself, you're happy to sit back and let the "tea" (gossip) wash all over you.
So basically what Heis said
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I really hope the Rodgers drama was a big distraction for Douglas and now that it's settled and we're now less than a week from being past the draft that his and Quinnen's teams can sit down and hash this out.
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Q deserves every bit of 24 or 25 mil per
Don't like that tweet though lol
Just get it done
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Connor Hughes
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Quincy Williams says that Quinnen Williams is expecting his first baby within the next 2-3 weeks, so that's his focus right now. Quincy says he's helping Quinnen and his wife get ready. #Jets
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https://twitter.com/quinnenwilliams?s=21&t=ZNQYid0cwYc7XYhInMbqIQ
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c'mon man
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I do not like that.
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This is just the new standard for off-season negotiations now that the holdout has been taken off the table. I really have no problem with it.
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Quinnen will get paid....not worried (especially in May).
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This is just the new standard for off-season negotiations now that the holdout has been taken off the table. I really have no problem with it.
It’s annoying to see, but because fans freak out about this stuff, it puts pressure on the organization to get stuff done.
I don’t know what the issues are, but idgaf what anybody offers, Quinnen needs to be on the field this fall. Any player/picks packages short of Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow isn’t worth it to me. Next offseason when we could potentially add another impact defender, we can talk about his value/worth, but he needs to be a Jet and kicking derriere this offseason.
The deal has been outlined by all his comp players, get the excrement done
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This is just the new standard for off-season negotiations now that the holdout has been taken off the table. I really have no problem with it.
This. Guy wants to get paid. We aren't paying him what he wants. This is a passive aggressive way to lash out. It's common practice at this point.
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https://twitter.com/BreeceH/status/1658214827506933780?s=20 (https://twitter.com/BreeceH/status/1658214827506933780?s=20)
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Aaron Donald:
7× First-team All-Pro (2015–2021)
9× Pro Bowl (2014–2022)
Quinnen Williams:
1x First team All-Pro (2022)
1x Pro Bowl (2022)
Donald after years and years of dominating first team all-pro performance is pulling in ($95/3yr) $31M+/yr.)
$25m/yr. after a fraction of Donald’s overall body of work seems fair imho.
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Here's where we are for 2023:
(https://i.imgur.com/XSGmDr7.png)
We need about 8.6 to sign our draft picks.
I'm sure the Jets understand Quinnen's value. But we need to make moves to afford him, and there just aren't a lot of moves left to make. We've renegotiated just about every contract on the team that isn't a rookie deal. You can cut Lawson and/or Davis, which the FO doesn't seem like they want to do, or you can renegotiate/extend with either of them, which is a really dangerous play IMO given their injury histories.
You can't even pour a big payday into 2024, because we've currently got about $7.5 million in space next year.
I really don't know how this deal gets done.
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We cut Davis. It's really not a thing that needs thinking about. Quinnen is an essential part of what we do and Corey Davis is excrement.
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We cut Davis. It's really not a thing that needs thinking about. Quinnen is an essential part of what we do and Corey Davis is excrement.
It's a legitimate option, but regardless of your opinion of Corey Davis, it's a loss of talent on our weaker side of the ball.
I think the best available move might be to let the Quinnen sitch continue into training camp. Then you can take a good, hard look at your EDGE talent, and if WMD and/or JJII look like viable starters (you'd hope at least one of our last two first rounders would), then you can comfortably ship Carl Lawson while his value is pretty decent. I really don't like losing edge players during a legitimate run, but we're so deep there now.
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Aren't we still trying to work something out with Rodgers? Maybe Q could try a little patience.
I'll say something really unpopular, but he's currently under contract, and can still be franchised. Yes, we should try to get a deal done, but he has 2 choices this year: show up for mandatory camp, or take money from his own pocket.
I'd like Q to be a longtime Jet, but this team has spent the majority of this century having good to great defenses and anemic offenses. If Williams is the sacrifice at the altar for a great offense, I'll get over it pretty quickly.
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Maybe Q could try a little patience.
Every other defensive tackle in his tier has a new contract already.
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Every other defensive tackle in his tier has a new contract already.
Did every other DT in his tier just get a HOF QB to completely change the team's offense from hot trash to playoff worthy?
I love Q and I want him to get paid. But I like the idea of paying Rodgers right now a lot more. Without Williams, this is still a good defense. Without Rodgers, there is no offense.
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According to OTC, the Jets have $6.38M in cap space. $112M is tied to offense, $126M is tied to defense. There's already a lot of money on that side of the ball and not a lot of room left to wiggle.
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Without Williams, this is still a good defense.
False
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False
I guess we could argue about that all day.
I want to pay the guy, but right now, there's no money to do it. Unless we kick the can three years down the road. Or again, Q can wait until they revamp Rodgers' contract to free up space, which doesn't seem unreasonable.
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Rodgers wouldn't want to play here if we didn't have a championship caliber defense. We don't have that without Quinnen Williams.
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Rodgers wouldn't want to play here if we didn't have a championship caliber defense. We don't have that without Quinnen Williams.
Fair enough.
But Q is under contract, whether his Twitter page agrees or not. And he could be under contract next year whether he likes it or not with the tag.
I don't want to play games with him. I was the first to say "Sign Li'l Q to make his brother happy" so it's not like I'm not all-in on him. But there are economics at play here and right now, we literally can't pay him this year.
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this argument is stupid because it's May.
let Big Doug cook.
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(https://i.redd.it/qp40cvzd6p0b1.jpg)
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I like that a lot more.
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If you had to guess, how many years is each side pushing for?
Id guess Q wants to set himself up for a second monster cotnract, and the Jets wouldn't mind locking him up for the long haul having the tag on the table
Or are both sides wanting to min/max guaranteed money and both do the opposite?
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I’d expect we want 5 and he wants 4. But I guess it’s possible le it’s flipped.
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I would expect him to want the shorter contract.
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If he wants a shorter contract, give it to him!
We have a small window and having a player like Q betting hard on himself to get that next bigger deal is a good thing. Especially if they're already seeing eye to eye on money. Unless it's the total $ they agree on and he wants a significantly higher average per year. But still, if you're agreeing to the price, just give him the years he wants and worry about it down the road.
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If he wants a shorter contract, give it to him!
We have a small window and having a player like Q betting hard on himself to get that next bigger deal is a good thing. Especially if they're already seeing eye to eye on money. Unless it's the total $ they agree on and he wants a significantly higher average per year. But still, if you're agreeing to the price, just give him the years he wants and worry about it down the road.
Lmao. As usual it's not as simple as you think it is.
We have little to no cap flexibility in the next 2 years because of rodgers huge cap hit. If he retires next year 100MM will be due next year which we obviously can't afford
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Lmao. As usual it's not as simple as you think it is.
We have little to no cap flexibility in the next 2 years because of rodgers huge cap hit. If he retires next year 100MM will be due next year which we obviously can't afford
Yup, simple is exactly what I think it is.
That's why I waste so much time on 9,000 scenarios on this board every day. Because it's as simple as "write a check and let's ride."
It's as if I've never mentioned Rodgers is still working on restructuring, or that we should've worked with Q last year when we had a lot more money to front-load, or floated the idea that maybe he won't get paid this year because the Jets can keep control of him for a couple more years with no say on his part.
Simple. Not sure why they don't just hire me instead of JoeD since it's clearly easier than he's making it out to be.
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Why does quinnens wife look like quinnen wearing a wig
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxBWOJFXgAIKkHi?format=jpg&name=medium)
Also congrats q ball
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The New York Post's Brian Costello and Ryan Dunleavy report Quinnen Williams and the Jets are "not that far apart" on a contract extension.
This is reportedly the feeling inside the Jets' building as they continue to hammer out a new deal with Williams. Williams saw Giants defensive lineman Dexter Lawrence sign a four-year, $90 million extension earlier this month, which should help serve as grounds for Williams' next contract. Entering the final year of his contract, Williams has been absent from voluntary workouts as the two sides continue to negotiate, but there is reportedly hope that a deal could be in place in the coming weeks. When asked if he was worried about Williams' signing an extension, head coach Robert Saleh said, "I'm not worried at all. That thing will get done, and he'll be here."
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just hurry up and sign him already
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just hurry up and sign him already
we need to save the cap space to sign Jimmy G
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we need to save the cap space to sign Jimmy G
Haha
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we need to save the cap space to sign Jimmy G
Should have cut Jamison Crowder when we had the chance.
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https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1666551674612088833?t=rXwoWSlMuZvjmLok-veggg&s=19
This seems trivial...get it done
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https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1666551674612088833?t=rXwoWSlMuZvjmLok-veggg&s=19
This seems trivial...get it done
I understand the difference in position. That extra year keeps his career cost down. We're all pretty confident that over the next 4 years he'll play at an elite level. That next (last) contract is going to be a monster one. A 5-year deal now gets him over that magical "30 years old" line and takes some money out of his pocket. He's smart to wait it out to drop it and the Jets are smart to try to get him to commit to it.
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Q re-added the Jets to his bio
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Q re-added the Jets to his bio
I suspect we hear something by Tuesday about his deal being finalized.
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We need a Quinnen Williams slow clap moment
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https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1679546518271827977?s=46&t=uhybeFJaQU1AF8AM5Qpecg
Jets and Quinnen Williams agreed to a four-year, $96 million deal that includes $66 million guaranteed, per sources.
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Cheaper than I would have expected.
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https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1679546518271827977?s=46&t=uhybeFJaQU1AF8AM5Qpecg
Jets and Quinnen Williams agreed to a four-year, $96 million deal that includes $66 million guaranteed, per sources.
Wasn't worried, i knew he was coming back. Glad it's over and done with though. LFG
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Let’s ride
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Welcome back Q - contract well deserved
Please don’t be this guy post-contract
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Muhammad_Wilkerson.jpg/360px-Muhammad_Wilkerson.jpg)
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I wonder if Hard Knocks played into it at all. There had to have been some desire to not have it be a storyline in the first episode.
However it happened, just glad it's done. Let's go!
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Mike T
https://twitter.com/RealTannenbaum/status/1679557715931045890?t=_A7cuAHNUCpZhbiSwNtd2Q&s=19
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Huzzah.
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Sounds like Q got everything he wanted?
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Sounds like Q got everything he wanted?
Good...he's earned it
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BYTY
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1681422004530946048?t=c8uEPF4tnybj2_tGxoUgkQ&s=19
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BYTY
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1681422004530946048?t=c8uEPF4tnybj2_tGxoUgkQ&s=19
I love this dude.
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Interesting that Q's 2023 cap hit actually dropped after signing.
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https://twitter.com/NYJets_Media/status/1686425605502390300/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1686425605502390300¤tTweetUser=NYJets_Media
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National freaking treasure.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6HTv_dRUkw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6HTv_dRUkw
The worst takeaway from this is that Laken Tomlinson still sucks.
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https://twitter.com/Pro__Ant/status/1701724992524730730?t=S5zGP4MKTLetaRLI42v8xg&s=19
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https://x.com/pro__ant/status/1701724992524730730?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://x.com/pro__ant/status/1701724992524730730?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Why must you do this
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Jermaine is also about to blow that play up if Q doesn't.
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Why must you do this
If I don’t, who will?