Post by: Badger on April 25, 2019, 06:03:06 AM
freak Joe Biden
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2019, 06:41:41 AM
That dusty old turd burglar needs to stop running
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2019, 07:34:32 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2019, 07:38:21 AM
John Hickenlooper
Jay Inslee
Wayne Messam
Seth Moulton
Marianne Williamson
Who are these people?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2019, 07:39:29 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 25, 2019, 07:57:53 AM
Post by: steves850 on April 25, 2019, 10:15:18 AM
Post by: delavan on April 25, 2019, 10:45:04 AM
John Delaney - former Maryland Congressman (1st to announce prez candidacy in 2017)
John Hickenlooper - former Colorado Gov. (originally opposed 'legal weed' as a co-owner of Wykoff Brewing Co.)
Jay Inslee - Gov. of Washington
Wayne Messam - Mayor of Miramar, Fl. -SEE BELOW
Seth Moulton - Massachusetts Congressman
Marianne Williamson - new age psychobabble author
Who are these people?
Seth Moulton was a starting wide receiver for the Florida State Seminoles during the year they won the NCAA Division I-A football championship, 1993. He was drafted by the Cincinnati Bengals in 1997.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 25, 2019, 11:19:17 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2019, 01:28:04 PM
Seth Moulton was a starting wide receiver for the Florida State Seminoles during the year they won the NCAA Division I-A football championship, 1993. He was drafted by the Cincinnati Bengals in 1997.
Ok, I’ll vote for him.
But really, why are these people running?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2019, 01:29:10 PM
Who gets us the best chance of improving our current excrement-storm of a situation?
The one that runs the most effective “orange man bad” campaign. Right now it’s between Biden and Beto
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2019, 06:04:40 PM
freak Bernie SandersFrrrt
That dusty old turd burglar needs to stop running
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2019, 06:05:05 PM
I'd be a lot more interested in seeing how Buttigieg's campaign plays out if he wasn't advocating for an expansion of the Supreme Court and the abolition of the electoral college.Literally his only redeeming qualities.
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2019, 06:09:29 PM
These debates are going to be a shitshow. I’ve never heard of half of these candidatesNot all of them will make it to the stage.
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According to the DNC rules, candidates can qualify for the first two debates by either:
Receiving at least 1 percent support in three DNC-approved polls. Those could be in early state polls — Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina or Nevada — or in national polls between the beginning of January 2019 and the two-week mark before the first debate (a candidate could fall short but then qualify for the second debate if they meet the polling threshold two weeks before the July debate).
Receiving donations from at least 65,000 unique donors with a minimum of 200 donors in at least 20 different states.
Each debate will include no more than 10 candidates, chosen at random from the pool of those who qualify. Should more than 20 total candidates qualify, preference will be given to those who meet both criteria for polling and donations. (The criteria for the rest of the debates has not been announced, so it's unclear if they'll remain the same or change).
Post by: delavan on April 25, 2019, 07:42:38 PM
John Delaney - former Maryland Congressman (1st to announce prez candidacy in 2017)
John Hickenlooper - former Colorado Gov. (originally opposed 'legal weed' as a co-owner of Wykoff Brewing Co.)
Jay Inslee - Gov. of Washington
Wayne Messam - Mayor of Miramar, Fl. -SEE BELOW
Seth Moulton - Massachusetts Congressman
Marianne Williamson - new age psychobabble author
Post by: Coach K on April 25, 2019, 11:10:53 PM
except the dems will cannibalize their voting base between the neolibs and SJWs
Post by: Coach K on April 25, 2019, 11:12:19 PM
#3rdParty
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2019, 12:04:56 PM
this dem primary will be the same clown car that the republican primary was last election
except the dems will cannibalize their voting base between the neolibs and SJWs
How dare you forget to mention Berniebros? He's going to revolutionize American politics, along with AOC. And to hell with anyone who disagrees!
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2019, 07:57:18 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/26/kamala-harris-owns-handgun-unacceptable-2020-democratic-race-column/3567371002/
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2019, 07:59:24 PM
How dare you forget to mention Berniebros? He's going to revolutionize American politics, along with AOC. And to hell with anyone who disagrees!Correct, centrist Dems should probably go to hell
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2019, 09:36:49 PM
Nuclear dumbass take incoming
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/26/kamala-harris-owns-handgun-unacceptable-2020-democratic-race-column/3567371002/
She also smoked pot and listened to rap music once. Unelectable.
Post by: Gorilla on April 26, 2019, 11:09:00 PM
Nuclear dumbass take incoming
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/26/kamala-harris-owns-handgun-unacceptable-2020-democratic-race-column/3567371002/
I happen to base all of my political and ethical views on the opinion of the Candid Camera guy.
All of my moral and religious views? You guessed it: based on the Jerky Boys.
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2019, 11:42:02 PM
Nuclear dumbass take incomingOwning a handgun for personal safety is like freaking for virginity.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/26/kamala-harris-owns-handgun-unacceptable-2020-democratic-race-column/3567371002/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2019, 01:20:30 PM
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Quinnipiac poll on 2020 Democrat presidential candidates:
Biden 38%
Warren 12%
Sanders 11%
Buttigieg 10%
Harris 8%
O'Rourke 5%
Booker 2%
Woof
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2019, 01:49:28 PM
Woof
I can't wait to see what the number is for DiBlasio when he enters the race. Can there be negative percentages?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2019, 02:23:51 PM
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2019, 07:21:19 PM
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2019, 07:22:05 PM
WoofThat's a huge deviation from recent polls, I'd be curious to see where they sampled from.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2019, 09:25:58 PM
That's a huge deviation from recent polls, I'd be curious to see where they sampled from.
No way Biden should have that big a share IMO, but I wouldn’t be surprised
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2019, 05:23:13 AM
No way Biden should have that big a share IMO, but I wouldn’t be surprisedTL; DR they didn't talk to anyone under 50
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/29/rel6a.-.2020.democrats.pdf
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2019, 11:08:41 AM
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2019, 10:29:40 PM
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2019, 10:30:23 PM
De Blasio SZNMy take: he's a bad candidate but still better than about ~11 of the other ones running
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 19, 2019, 10:39:33 PM
https://twitter.com/LasagnaGarden/status/1130302568649887745?s=19
Edmure shoulda hopped on a table
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 19, 2019, 10:40:10 PM
My take: he's a bad candidate but still better than about ~11 of the other ones running
I should defer to the NYers on this but I agree with this take
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 28, 2019, 09:58:45 PM
Classic Joe Biden
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2019, 03:44:06 PM
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2019, 07:43:35 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 03, 2019, 09:08:13 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190604/3f2ef74e0afe355035d3802d4910f837.jpg)
a) Source these things if you're going to post them
b) It's a story from 1987
I don't give a shiny freak one way or the other about Biden but I get very annoyed with unattributed, unsourced and almost certainly irrelevant claims. If you can elect someone who brags about sexual assault they participated in then you can freaking well countenance electing someone who brags about civil rights marches they didn't.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 03, 2019, 09:42:48 PM
but I get very annoyed with unattributed, unsourced and almost certainly irrelevant claims.
Unless of course its one of the million stories attributed to anonymous sources that you can then use to continue to fuel the ole TDS.
If you can elect someone who brags about sexual assault they participated in then you can freaking well countenance electing someone who brags about civil rights marches they didn't.
bRaGs AbOuT sExUaL aSsAuLt. For fucks sake, that is so disingenuous it is absurd.
Post by: Johnny English on June 03, 2019, 09:51:29 PM
Unless of course its one of the million stories attributed to anonymous sources that you can then use to continue to fuel the ole TDS.
bRaGs AbOuT sExUaL aSsAuLt. For fucks sake, that is so disingenuous it is absurd.
You've been drinking, haven't you?
Post by: Badger on June 08, 2019, 07:45:27 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 10, 2019, 08:09:03 PM
Joe Biden ain't one of them.
Post by: delavan on June 11, 2019, 12:28:04 PM
There are several good Democratic candidates."Nukes" Swalwell?
Joe Biden ain't one of them.
https://images.app.goo.gl/Ts1S6uqGVCuM37mY9
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2019, 05:38:33 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 11, 2019, 09:00:29 PM
One thing that sums up the field pretty well for me is that DeBlasio has been a pretty uninspiring mayor with a lot to dislike and yet I still have him ranked dead center in the field of 24 Dems.I can't imagine ranking all of them. I don't know if I can count that high.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 12, 2019, 10:44:19 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 12, 2019, 01:20:41 PM
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Joe Biden meets a voter’s granddaughter in an Iowa coffee shop and asks her age. She says she’s 13. He addresses her brothers. “You’ve got one job here, keep the guys away from your sister.”
aka Joe Biden
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/11/pete-buttigieg-clears-commander-chief-bar/?utm_term=.f6d322f3d866
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2019, 05:04:38 PM
Given you're all apparently only interested in posting stories from the tabloid end of the primaries, let me give you something rather more positive.Jennifer Rubin is a giant piece of excrement.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/11/pete-buttigieg-clears-commander-chief-bar/?utm_term=.f6d322f3d866
I am 100% serious.
Post by: ons on June 13, 2019, 05:04:59 PM
Given you're all apparently only interested in posting stories from the tabloid end of the primaries, let me give you something rather more positive.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/11/pete-buttigieg-clears-commander-chief-bar/?utm_term=.f6d322f3d866
Buttigieg is the most compelling candidate in the field, for me. Not a progressive visionary, but someone I hope can just reassert a functional level of discourse and calm into the executive branch, which is basically all I hope for from national politics these days.
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2019, 05:41:02 PM
Buttigieg is the most compelling candidate in the field, for me. Not a progressive visionary, but someone I hope can just reassert a functional level of discourse and calm into the executive branch, which is basically all I hope for from national politics these days.
No but a journalist with questionable positions said nice things about him so he's basically excrement and you should elect Bernie. Always Bernie. Bernie Bernie Bernie.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 13, 2019, 10:50:48 PM
Jennifer Rubin is a giant piece of excrement.
I am 100% serious.
On this, we agree!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 14, 2019, 08:42:04 AM
Jennifer Rubin is a giant piece of excrement.
I am 100% serious.
And she writes for a tabloid
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2019, 11:31:05 AM
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Post by: Badger on July 30, 2019, 07:17:13 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 31, 2019, 09:16:30 PM
Post by: Badger on August 01, 2019, 06:49:48 AM
I'm super enjoying these two shrews try to tear apart this stupid old man.Everyone shitting on Biden was great.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 01, 2019, 02:40:15 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 10, 2019, 09:46:16 AM
How is this guy not done yet
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2019, 06:24:06 PM
https://twitter.com/betoorourke/status/1171238016289034240?s=21Of all the things you could rightfully excrement on Beto for...
How is this guy not done yet
Post by: dcm1602 on September 12, 2019, 06:34:03 PM
Of all the things you could rightfully excrement on Beto for...
I mean there's reasonable ideas in there (getting people closer to work, better mass transit)
But then the "forcing" the rich to live next to the poor. I don't think this guy understands that forcing people to do anything is wrong, but if you decide to put a bunch of welfare people in the rich neighborhoods the rich people are just gonna move the freak away
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2019, 09:31:58 PM
I mean there's reasonable ideas in there (getting people closer to work, better mass transit)We should simply house poor people everywhere so the rich can't escape them.
But then the "forcing" the rich to live next to the poor. I don't think this guy understands that forcing people to do anything is wrong, but if you decide to put a bunch of welfare people in the rich neighborhoods the rich people are just gonna move the freak away
Post by: dcm1602 on September 13, 2019, 01:07:01 PM
We should simply house poor people everywhere so the rich can't escape them.
Except not every county/state etc is run by socialist hippies. So when some dumb excrement makes an area extremely unattractive to businesses or the wealthy (see NYC not getting billions of dollars in revenue from amazon) they're just going to go somewhere else.
Post by: Badger on September 15, 2019, 12:29:49 PM
Except not every county/state etc is run by socialist hippies. So when some dumb excrement makes an area extremely unattractive to businesses or the wealthy (see NYC not getting billions of dollars in revenue from amazon) they're just going to go somewhere else.Still waiting for this mass exodus from NYC...
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2019, 06:20:06 PM
Of all the things you could rightfully excrement on Beto for...
Hey it’s not like I haven’t excrement on Beto before. Just seems completely out of touch with reality and this is a basic example of why he’s not a real option. Sounds great in theory, I don’t disagree with his point (I also think world peace is a good thing and we should do that too), but that’s just not the way the world works. I would love to be proven wrong- why wouldn’t I? This would be good for everyone. but I’m v skeptical.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2019, 07:33:57 AM
Hey it’s not like I haven’t excrement on Beto before. Just seems completely out of touch with reality and this is a basic example of why he’s not a real option. Sounds great in theory, I don’t disagree with his point (I also think world peace is a good thing and we should do that too), but that’s just not the way the world works. I would love to be proven wrong- why wouldn’t I? This would be good for everyone. but I’m v skeptical.
"I don't want politicians who try to do important things in case they're too difficult."
If you keep expecting mediocrity then it's what you'll keep getting.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 16, 2019, 07:39:14 AM
"I don't want politicians who try to do important things in case they're too difficult."
If you keep expecting mediocrity then it's what you'll keep getting.
I didn't realize that the State forcing people into living places was an important thing.
Pretty sure Pol Pot forced class mixture too when all the city intellectuals were compelled by machete or bullets to leave their homes for collective farms.
The ironic thing is, usually its limousine liberals who bitch the second their gentrified neighborhood hasn't had a complete takeover yet and little Johnny has to go to school with supposed "undesirables." https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/06/the-upper-west-side-is-new-york-s-latest-school-integration-battleground.html
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2019, 10:21:50 PM
"I don't want politicians who try to do important things in case they're too difficult."Beto is mediocrity incarnate
If you keep expecting mediocrity then it's what you'll keep getting.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2019, 10:41:39 PM
Beto is mediocrity incarnate
Which was nothing to do with my point anyway, but go you.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2019, 05:47:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2019, 06:43:26 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2019, 08:48:37 PM
When does the DNC’s smear campaign against Bernie start?Since February.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2019, 08:49:38 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2019, 10:27:59 AM
“During a campaign event yesterday evening, Sen. Sanders experienced some chest discomfort. Following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted,” according to a press release from his campaign.
“Sen. Sanders is conversing and in good spirits. He will be resting up over the next few days,” the statement added. “We are canceling his events and appearances until further notice, and we will continue to provide appropriate updates.”
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2019, 10:37:14 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2019, 12:58:35 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2019, 01:08:58 PM
Must be nice having fancy insurance and not medicaid for all
Good thing his own plan isn't in effect.
I wonder if they'll also fix the knife wounds in his back from the DNC in 2016.
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2019, 02:04:53 PM
Must be nice having fancy insurance and not medicaid for allImagine working in healthcare and still being this willfully ignorant
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2019, 02:45:50 PM
Can I just vote against Beto?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2019, 05:38:30 PM
SBTB
https://twitter.com/theofficertatum/status/1172344628198039553?s=21
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 02, 2019, 08:37:05 PM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2019, 11:00:30 AM
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1185196559941722113?s=09
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2019, 06:32:02 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 18, 2019, 07:45:12 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2019, 09:07:11 AM
Hillary needs to go away forever
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1185196559941722113?s=09
This Russia hoax needs to go away forever.
Ok, Donald Trump is a Russian asset. I’m sure we can all agree on this, the evidence is clear. What has Russia gained from his presidency thus far?
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2019, 05:49:19 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2019, 12:17:56 AM
Russiagate is just QAnon for libs.
Thank you.
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2019, 07:10:15 PM
Post by: Pope on October 20, 2019, 07:56:37 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 21, 2019, 04:12:05 AM
I think the margin of error for the last election was thin enough where you can make a case that it didn't take much to swing an election. I don't think that would be enough to change it by itself, but it could be one of a number of factors.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 21, 2019, 03:39:46 PM
Lmao
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 21, 2019, 03:41:58 PM
That's not to say they didn't try, but I don't believe they changed the outcome of the election, and we should obviously take steps to minimize foreign interference in future elections.
I think that Russia tried to tamper with our election to get Trump elected for a variety of reasons. I think Trump was more than willing to accept that because he doesn't really give a excrement, he just wanted to win. He basically admitted as much for this election.
I think the margin of error for the last election was thin enough where you can make a case that it didn't take much to swing an election. I don't think that would be enough to change it by itself, but it could be one of a number of factors.
Here’s my question: say Russia did interfere with our election and got Trump elected. What have they gotten out of it? I really don’t see how anything substantial with Russia has changed in the past few years.
That’s why it’s such a non story for me. Obviously it’s bad if foreign entities interfere with our elections, but the constant talking points that Trump is a Russian asset or that Russia has somehow masterminded control of our country are just wild conspiracy theories.
Post by: Johnny English on October 21, 2019, 03:51:49 PM
Here’s my question: say Russia did interfere with our election and got Trump elected. What have they gotten out of it? I really don’t see how anything substantial with Russia has changed in the past few years.
Um.... you've seen this whole Syria thing that's going on right now, yes?
The destabilisation of Western governments (it's not just the US) and the damaging of diplomatic and trading links between countries is to their significant advantage.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 21, 2019, 03:58:09 PM
Here’s my question: say Russia did interfere with our election and got Trump elected. What have they gotten out of it? I really don’t see how anything substantial with Russia has changed in the past few years.
That’s why it’s such a non story for me. Obviously it’s bad if foreign entities interfere with our elections, but the constant talking points that Trump is a Russian asset or that Russia has somehow masterminded control of our country are just wild conspiracy theories.
For me, it's not about the idea that Trump is just Putin's puppet and we're being secretly controlled by the Kremlin. Certainly, I can't speak for everyone, but my problem is that Trump is clearly soft on things like Russia's increasing aggressiveness towards places like Ukraine. And Trump's anti-NATO stance plays right into Putin's desires.
There's also the idea that helping Trump be elected would lead to economic instability, as is the believed intention of Russian interference leading to Brexit. Obviously, we've yet to see the economies of the US or UK collapse, but it's another item to consider, albeit more conspiracy theoretical than the above.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 21, 2019, 04:04:28 PM
Um.... you've seen this whole Syria thing that's going on right now, yes?This.
The destabilisation of Western governments (it's not just the US) and the damaging of diplomatic and trading links between countries is to their significant advantage.
For me, it's not about the idea that Trump is just Putin's puppet and we're being secretly controlled by the Kremlin. Certainly, I can't speak for everyone, but my problem is that Trump is clearly soft on things like Russia's increasing aggressiveness towards places like Ukraine. And Trump's anti-NATO stance plays right into Putin's desires.Also this.
There's also the idea that helping Trump be elected would lead to economic instability, as is the believed intention of Russian interference leading to Brexit. Obviously, we've yet to see the economies of the US or UK collapse, but it's another item to consider, albeit more conspiracy theoretical than the above.
Not to mention, Trump is asking Ukraine for help with dirt on Biden in exchange for missiles to help defend them. Who is Ukraine defending itself against? Russia!
Post by: Pope on October 21, 2019, 05:45:07 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 21, 2019, 06:10:41 PM
Um.... you've seen this whole Syria thing that's going on right now, yes?
The destabilisation of Western governments (it's not just the US) and the damaging of diplomatic and trading links between countries is to their significant advantage.
I haven’t followed that very closely. Not really sure why we’re involved to begin with.
So trump being elected is like when I used to destabilize the board at TGG
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2019, 09:53:17 PM
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2019, 11:55:15 AM
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1186937436531675137?s=09
Post by: dcm1602 on October 23, 2019, 10:03:31 PM
Here’s my question: say Russia did interfere with our election and got Trump elected. What have they gotten out of it? I really don’t see how anything substantial with Russia has changed in the past few years.
That’s why it’s such a non story for me. Obviously it’s bad if foreign entities interfere with our elections, but the constant talking points that Trump is a Russian asset or that Russia has somehow masterminded control of our country are just wild conspiracy theories.
I don't buy the whole Russia thing. But getting a freaking idiot elected as leader of a very powerful country could benefit from the loss of their power and credibility.
I mean imagine if we got someone elected in China that would unite the world against them. The US would gain power simply from China losing it
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2019, 04:47:06 PM
Should have stuck to Senate races
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2019, 10:51:54 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 05, 2019, 07:33:15 AM
Buttigieg canceled
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2019, 03:35:14 PM
(They won't)
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2019, 04:52:47 PM
Oh well. Hope he pulls support away from Biden.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 07, 2019, 05:08:44 PM
Why the freak would you ever run for President?!?! You wouldn't be able to get me off some beach resort somewhere.
Post by: Pope on November 07, 2019, 05:11:57 PM
You have 53 billion dollars and you're 77 years old.Jewish infiltration
Why the freak would you ever run for President?!?! You wouldn't be able to get me off some beach resort somewhere.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 08, 2019, 03:09:53 AM
You have 53 billion dollars and you're 77 years old.
Why the freak would you ever run for President?!?! You wouldn't be able to get me off some beach resort somewhere.
Aren't the majority of presidential candidates old and rich as freak? In practical terms I don't think there's a huge difference in quality of life if you're worth 50 million or 50 billion
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2019, 11:28:02 AM
Aren't the majority of presidential candidates old and rich as freak? In practical terms I don't think there's a huge difference in quality of life if you're worth 50 million or 50 billionAwful take
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 14, 2019, 06:04:18 AM
Y tho
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2019, 06:18:39 AM
Deval Patrick has officially announced a late-entry 2020 presidential campaign, thrusting the former Massachusetts governor into an already crowded field of Democratic candidates less than three months before the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary.He can also eat a bag of dicks.
Y tho
When will moderates snap out of their delusion that most Americans want anything to do with them?
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2019, 06:21:56 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 14, 2019, 10:52:25 AM
There is a theory that by thrusting as many candidates as possible into the primary increases the likelihood that nobody secures the amount of delegates necessary for an outright win for the nomination, thus requiring a brokered convention.
Oh good. So we'll all be fighting over who should be the nominee again while Trump takes just enough electoral votes to squeeze in again.
The GOP are far better politicians than the Dems. I hate their politics, but admire their game.
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2019, 04:16:20 PM
Oh good. So we'll all be fighting over who should be the nominee again while Trump takes just enough electoral votes to squeeze in again.If only there was an incredibly popular candidate running for the Dem nomination with an energized base who polls great head-to-head with Trump who we could all rally behind
The GOP are far better politicians than the Dems. I hate their politics, but admire their game.
Post by: Johnny English on November 14, 2019, 06:49:57 PM
If only there was an incredibly popular candidate running for the Dem nomination with an energized base who polls great head-to-head with Trump who we could all rally behind
Woooooo Lizzie!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 14, 2019, 10:22:59 PM
If only there was an incredibly popular candidate running for the Dem nomination with an energized base who polls great head-to-head with Trump who we could all rally behind
Deez Nuts 2020
Post by: Pope on November 14, 2019, 11:06:35 PM
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2019, 06:35:18 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 15, 2019, 12:49:03 PM
America has to get rid of this ridiculous two party system. Until then we’re going to get shitty results
I don't think we're ever getting away from the 2 party system, but ranked choice voting needs to go national.
Post by: delavan on November 15, 2019, 01:24:28 PM
Woooooo Lizzie!campaign HQ at Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun?
Post by: mj2sexay on November 15, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
campaign HQ at Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun?
VP choice is Iron Eyes Cody
Post by: Badger on November 16, 2019, 09:13:47 PM
Post by: Jumbo on November 16, 2019, 09:31:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1195375842358108168?s=19
Of all things in the world to care about, I don't see why it's a big deal where the stock photo was taken
Post by: Badger on November 16, 2019, 10:06:04 PM
Of all things in the world to care about, I don't see why it's a big deal where the stock photo was takenIt's just a cherry on top of Pete's empty candidate husk.
Post by: IATA on November 17, 2019, 10:58:49 PM
time for the old man to be put out to pasture
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2019, 10:57:08 AM
Biden dosent support legalization.He has to appeal to imaginary moderates doe
time for the old man to be put out to pasture
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2019, 09:15:01 AM
How is this guy running as a liberal lmaooo
Post by: Pope on November 23, 2019, 09:17:07 AM
He's done it. @MikeBloomberg has spent the most money of any candidate ever on a single week of political advertising. We're looking at $31M dollars from 11/25-12/3.Didn’t he run as a Republican a while back?
How is this guy running as a liberal lmaooo
Post by: Badger on November 23, 2019, 10:53:32 AM
Didn’t he run as a Republican a while back?He just runs as a billionaire, the letter after his name doesn't matter.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2019, 11:17:24 PM
He just runs as a billionaire, the letter after his name doesn't matter.
What is his point though? it feels like everyone except for him agrees that he’s lighting his money on fire.
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2019, 05:41:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 24, 2019, 06:11:36 PM
https://twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/1198623649990946817?s=19
I'm not entirely sure why that's a big deal. Stating that kids living in communities where most of their parents, siblings or peers haven't had the opportunity to take advantage of further education don't see any opportunity themselves doesn't seem like a huge reach.
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
I'm not entirely sure why that's a big deal. Stating that kids living in communities where most of their parents, siblings or peers haven't had the opportunity to take advantage of further education don't see any opportunity themselves doesn't seem like a huge reach.You're right, it doesn't sound bad when you change what he said.
Post by: Johnny English on November 24, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
You're right, it doesn't sound bad when you change what he said.
I'm curious to know how you interpreted that 27 second clip.
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2019, 06:57:19 PM
I'm curious to know how you interpreted that 27 second clip."Poor black people don't value education"
Post by: Johnny English on November 24, 2019, 07:06:38 PM
"Poor black people don't value education"
It's 27 seconds. You should probably listen to it again, but this time without your "anyone who isn't Bernie Sanders must be destroyed" filter over your ears. Here, I'll even give you a transcript given it's so short:
Quote
Kids need to see evidence that education's going to work for them. You're motivated because you believe that at the end of your educational process there's a reward, there's a stable life, there's a job. And there are a lot of kids, especially in the lower income minority neighbourhoods who literally just haven't seen it work, and there isn't someone they know personally who testifies to the value of education.
How did you get "poor black people don't value education" from that rather than "the education system isn't fixing the problem of there being no jobs for poor black kids no matter how hard they work"?
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2019, 07:37:27 PM
How did you get "poor black people don't value education" from that rather than "the education system isn't fixing the problem of there being no jobs for poor black kids no matter how hard they work"?
I got it from the actual quote you just posted, try reading it.
Post by: insanity on November 27, 2019, 01:08:13 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 27, 2019, 01:16:00 PM
I dont know if I agree with Mayor Pete, but I'm not sure how that statement can offend anyone.
It's 2019, anyone can be offended by anything. There's often capital in it.
Post by: Badger on November 27, 2019, 02:33:05 PM
It's 2019, anyone can be offended by anything. There's often capital in it.Yeah, it's the basis of the entire right wing media grift.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 27, 2019, 02:39:30 PM
Yeah, it's the basis of the entire right wing media grift.
Ahahahahaha this comment is so lacking in awareness as to the state of left wing media its insane.
Post by: insanity on November 27, 2019, 04:11:39 PM
Ahahahahaha this comment is so lacking in awareness as to the state of left wing media its insane.
You're not wrong, but the right wing claims to be resistant to emotions but whines just as much as the left wing media
Post by: Badger on November 30, 2019, 09:51:21 AM
Ahahahahaha this comment is so lacking in awareness as to the state of left wing media its insane.You think CNN is left wing media, so...
Post by: Badger on November 30, 2019, 09:55:23 AM
Post by: Badger on November 30, 2019, 09:57:34 AM
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2019, 01:56:10 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2019, 02:19:52 PM
Bye Kamala
(https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/708/941/f0442fc943973d7c85e1e23a5e97c7eb_crop_north.jpg?h=533&w=800&q=70&crop_x=center&crop_y=top)
bye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2019, 05:52:30 PM
Post by: Jumbo on December 07, 2019, 06:13:48 PM
Mayor Pete is sketchy as hell
Mayor Pete Weiss of Oceanside, CA?
Post by: Badger on December 08, 2019, 07:20:21 AM
Mayor Pete Weiss of Oceanside, CA?Yeah freak him too, probably
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2019, 11:59:26 AM
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2019, 12:28:31 PM
who’s leading this thingLiberal cowardice
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2020, 07:35:19 PM
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2020, 09:02:49 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/476746-yang-campaign-to-launch-write-in-campaign-for-ohio-primary?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Post by: Pope on January 05, 2020, 09:04:10 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2020, 06:20:15 PM
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2020, 06:29:52 PM
Tulsi Gabbard is just a republican from Hawaii.Her supporters are so weird. She needs to drop out and endorse Sanders already.
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2020, 07:10:50 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2020, 07:24:58 PM
Be honest though, you'd definitely have a go on her.
Yes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with how awful she is for the country.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2020, 08:36:52 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 05, 2020, 10:35:27 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 06, 2020, 02:27:03 AM
Now AOC, I would definitely have a go AND vote for her!She kinda looks like one of those pornstars wearing glasses to pretend to be a librarian or teacher or some excrement.
2/10, teeth a little crooked, not Miami Beach hot, would not bang.
/JFIF
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 06, 2020, 06:11:15 AM
Post by: Badger on January 06, 2020, 11:40:57 AM
Pelosi got some big ole tiddies
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200106/d8d19209574871e4b65c20634873a37c.jpg)
Post by: delavan on January 06, 2020, 01:26:57 PM
Pelosi got some big ole tiddieshttps://media.giphy.com/media/Bq5z7WbQSt6xO/giphy.gif
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 08, 2020, 09:28:47 PM
NSFW
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 08, 2020, 09:29:23 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 08, 2020, 09:31:30 PM
https://twitter.com/behind2020/status/1214767147567718400?s=21
NSFW
Got one of those weird boners
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2020, 07:48:28 AM
11/10 JFIF scale
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2020, 12:53:27 PM
Post by: Badger on January 10, 2020, 05:59:15 PM
RIP
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2020, 07:11:06 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 12, 2020, 10:50:25 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 13, 2020, 07:21:54 AM
Actual Biden campaign email(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200113/9ee29eb8af5ce882e48a7265133f58a2.jpg)
I want this guy to win
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2020, 01:20:38 PM
Booker is out.
Who?
Post by: delavan on January 13, 2020, 01:44:08 PM
Booker is out.Guy gave a rock solid commencement address at nephew's UPenn graduation a couple of years back - had the missus welling up.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2020, 06:09:07 AM
https://twitter.com/kristenorthman/status/1216879913078329344?s=21
Post by: bojanglesman on January 14, 2020, 07:02:48 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 14, 2020, 08:58:35 PM
"Ron Reagan, lifelong atheist, not afraid of burning in hell”
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2020, 06:40:36 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2020, 06:53:22 AM
#WarrenIsASnake
#LyinLiz
All trending. *Chefs kiss*
Post by: delavan on January 15, 2020, 08:50:44 AM
(https://www.minnpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Klobuchar2018PrideParadeThumba.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 08:53:25 AM
Amy needs more left wing support
(https://www.minnpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Klobuchar2018PrideParadeThumba.jpg)
saggy potato funbags... should immediately be taken off the ballot.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 09:00:05 AM
#NotMyPresident
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2020, 09:35:42 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 15, 2020, 11:14:27 AM
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2020, 10:33:54 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 16, 2020, 05:35:37 AM
"Did you just call me a liar on national television?" asked the woman who lied on national television
Let’s not deflect from Bernie’s misogyny, which is the real story here
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 18, 2020, 05:13:26 PM
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2020, 10:06:39 PM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1219107776947019776?s=19
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2020, 07:36:44 AM
https://twitter.com/WideAsleepNima/status/1219128348397514753?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2020, 09:21:41 AM
lmaoooSame thing.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200120/1a99ba495e8d9845342de6f3d892c457.jpg)
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1219107776947019776?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2020, 11:32:39 AM
The failing New York Times
https://twitter.com/WideAsleepNima/status/1219128348397514753?s=19
This is embarrassing
Post by: delavan on January 20, 2020, 02:02:38 PM
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/nyt-editorial-board-endorses-sens-warren-and-klobuchar-77118533504
https://twitter.com/arthurschwartz/media
Post by: MBGreen on January 20, 2020, 02:13:59 PM
why don't you guys vote in Chuck Norris?
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2020, 02:15:20 PM
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2020, 02:30:03 PM
If I was an American I'd be one of those extra special people who voted for Obama and then Trump
FYP
Post by: MBGreen on January 20, 2020, 02:34:33 PM
FYP
What if i told you my Russian citizenship allowed me to vote in your election?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2020, 02:55:56 PM
What if i told you my Russian citizenship allowed me to vote in your election?
Banned for destabilizing the election
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2020, 03:22:49 PM
ol Bernie is a helpless old man.You don't vote for him, he just tells you when he's president.
why don't you guys vote in Chuck Norris?
Post by: Jumbo on January 20, 2020, 07:08:18 PM
What if i told you my Russian citizenship allowed me to vote in your election?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOsqAd3U4AErN99.jpg)
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2020, 11:10:01 PM
Post by: delavan on January 21, 2020, 11:14:17 AM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1219107776947019776?s=19The NYT picked the Chiefs and the 49'ers to win the SB.
A dual endorsement involving Klobuchar was probably the funniest outcome.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 21, 2020, 09:09:56 PM
Quote
@CNN: Hillary Clinton is not committing to endorsing and campaigning for Sen. Bernie Sanders if he's the Democratic 2020 presidential nominee, saying "nobody likes him" and labeling him a career politician in an explosive new interview in The Hollywood Reporter
lol
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2020, 05:26:43 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 22, 2020, 06:43:16 AM
lolDid that queynte really have the balls to say someone else is an unlikeable career politician? That can't be real. That's the epitome of the pot and kettl. Wow she's a disgusting puke inducing diesel dyke that collected semen to get ahead in life. I don't like Trump one bit but haha keep putting up candidates like her and without term limits that orange nutbag would be President in perpetuity.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 22, 2020, 08:11:02 AM
Did that queynte really have the balls to say someone else is an unlikeable career politician? That can't be real. That's the epitome of the pot and kettl. Wow she's a disgusting puke inducing diesel dyke that collected semen to get ahead in life. I don't like Trump one bit but haha keep putting up candidates like her and without term limits that orange nutbag would be President in perpetuity.
To be fair the democratic party loves her and was doing absolutely everything in their power to rig the primaries in the last cycle in her favor. So she's not wrong
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2020, 08:20:00 AM
lol
Did that queynte really have the balls to say someone else is an unlikeable career politician? That can't be real. That's the epitome of the pot and kettl. Wow she's a disgusting puke inducing diesel dyke that collected semen to get ahead in life. I don't like Trump one bit but haha keep putting up candidates like her and without term limits that orange nutbag would be President in perpetuity.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200122/0c065468d3709535be0a7577096bbc74.jpg)
Post by: mj2sexay on January 22, 2020, 08:36:49 AM
Did that queynte really have the balls to say someone else is an unlikeable career politician? That can't be real. That's the epitome of the pot and kettl. Wow she's a disgusting puke inducing diesel dyke that collected semen to get ahead in life. I don't like Trump one bit but haha keep putting up candidates like her and without term limits that orange nutbag would be President in perpetuity.
Her estrogen-filled sycophants are the absolute dumbest people on the planet.
Like if you held your nose and voted for her given the alternative, whatever (unless you were actively disenfranchised by her ala being a Bernie supporter and did it anyway which I'm not sure I'll ever understand), but people actually admire her.
Post by: delavan on January 22, 2020, 09:31:41 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2020, 10:13:09 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/tulsi-gabbard-sues-hillary-clinton-for-alleged-russian-smear.html
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2020, 11:16:15 AM
Her estrogen-filled sycophants are the absolute dumbest people on the planet.
Like if you held your nose and voted for her given the alternative, whatever (unless you were actively disenfranchised by her ala being a Bernie supporter and did it anyway which I'm not sure I'll ever understand), but people actually admire her.
For the record I didn't vote for Hillary because of NY's multimillion vote blue margin, but I probably would have had to if I lived in a swing state. Would have felt gross but the difference between a Clinton and Trump presidency had material consequences.
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2020, 11:16:34 AM
Lol.Go off Queen
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/tulsi-gabbard-sues-hillary-clinton-for-alleged-russian-smear.html
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 22, 2020, 11:29:06 AM
Now I wish she'd just go away already. At the very least, be quiet about the current field of candidates.
Personally, I don't like Bernie. I wouldn't want to vote for him. But I absolutely will if he gets the nomination. Unless the impeachment proceedings hurt Trump enough that the GOP needs to replace him on the ballot. Then it depends on who they nominate. I'd still lean Bernie, but if they presented a decent candidate I could flip.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 22, 2020, 11:40:29 AM
Post by: Jumbo on January 22, 2020, 11:54:06 AM
I voted for Gary Johnson because he was the only candidate with a solid plan for the crisis in the Middle East
So did my friend, Wadis Al Eppo
Post by: Miamipuck on January 22, 2020, 12:29:43 PM
I voted for Gary Johnson because he was the only candidate with a solid plan for the crisis in the Middle East
I voted for Gary Johnson as well. I am looking for someone as a candidate that does not exist, a moderate that takes an idea from either party because it's a good idea. Not because some 90 year old bundle of sticks from his/her party floated it and it must be voted for. But hoping for lower taxes and no Nazi Era judges is a pipe dream.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 22, 2020, 01:20:56 PM
Given current events, I can't even begin to describe how justified I feel for doing so.
We all know where I stood/stand for 16 and 20, though had Jim Webb been the candidate in 16 I likely would have voted for him over any Republican contender aside from Rand Paul.
Had the GOP run Rubio or Jeb! (please clap), I'd have voted third party again in a nanosecond.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 22, 2020, 01:51:46 PM
she'd rather trump win than entertain the possibility of bernie ever beating him to prevent having to answer for all of the heinous and backdoor excrement she/the DNC did to get her the democratic nomination in an 'unlosable' election to trump that she would end up losing anyways because of how shitty and unlikeable she is
she is literally one of the most vile, evil people currently breathing on this planet.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 22, 2020, 02:08:55 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 22, 2020, 02:14:50 PM
hillary is such a vindictive, evil slut
she'd rather trump win than entertain the possibility of bernie ever beating him to prevent having to answer for all of the heinous and backdoor excrement she/the DNC did to get her the democratic nomination in an 'unlosable' election to trump that she would end up losing anyways because of how shitty and unlikeable she is
she is literally one of the most vile, evil people currently breathing on this planet.
She's up there with the single worst candidates in my lifetime. Jesus was she so freaking unlikeable and she ran against someone that would have lost had the Dems nominated a sock puppet.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 22, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
She's up there with the single worst candidates in my lifetime. Jesus was she so freaking unlikeable and she ran against someone that would have lost had the Dems nominated a sock puppet.
There's not one redeemable quality she possesses. Not one.
Her husband for all of his faults at the very least personified the personality characteristics that IMHO every politician should have. He was warm, congenial, eminently likable, could sell ice cubes to eskimos so to speak.
To give an anecdote in terms of what I'm talking about, I remember post-Presidency he went on Oprah, actually joked about having to sleep on the couch due to the most public affair in American history, and by the time he was done those estrogen filled hens got out of their seats and clapped. I remember turning to my father and just going, "I'm in awe of this guy. Take policy completely out of it, that's what a skilled politician looks like. He's a freaking Sith Lord."
It's the ability to convince black voters that a white guy from Arkansas is one of them as he ok's legislation that disparately affects their community.
In fact, his performance on her behalf in 2016 was so unlike him that there's only so much I could chalk up to age, and the rest I have to assume was general apathy.
I'm not saying Trump would have carried himself any differently (though we'll never know will we), but her conduct post-election of blaming everyone and everything else but herself is indicative of why she lost to begin with. It all started with her absurd refusal to at least acknowledge those idiots that actually went to the Javitz center that night to support her, and its gotten worse and worse.
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2020, 04:02:42 PM
So did my friend, Wadis Al EppoI loved how this was considered disqualifying when there's absolutely no chance Trump knew what Aleppo was either at the time.
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2020, 04:10:58 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 22, 2020, 04:50:16 PM
For mj:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200122/406a889e2a2f926f8f00b5d258fade10.jpg)
That is just so unreal.
Every politician has those ardent supporters that cross over from fan to sycophant. But that is insane.
Writer for Slate. Of course.
Post by: Jumbo on January 22, 2020, 05:47:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO5aN-AWkAAzY2r.jpg)
Post by: reuben on January 22, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
Every politician has those ardent supporters that cross over from fan to sycophant.
do tell
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 22, 2020, 07:04:49 PM
do tell
Deez Nuts 2020
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2020, 07:15:24 PM
Tulsi Gabbard didn't kill herselfWas just about to post that. Good job Epstein-proofing herself.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO5aN-AWkAAzY2r.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2020, 07:17:35 AM
For mj:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200122/406a889e2a2f926f8f00b5d258fade10.jpg)
written on my 39th birthday
Post by: Jumbo on January 25, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 25, 2020, 08:57:54 PM
https://twitter.com/datashade/status/1220198019754315776
The comments read exactly as I hoped they would
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 26, 2020, 09:52:42 AM
excrement Biden is woke now
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2020, 02:00:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 26, 2020, 03:13:52 PM
excrement Mayor Pete is woke now
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 26, 2020, 03:14:13 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2020, 04:04:38 PM
Warren on cue in 3....2....1....DCM: Elizabeth Warren will save America billions of dollars against the cap. May have to keep Pence around for another year though because of the dead money in 2020.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 26, 2020, 05:27:06 PM
https://twitter.com/hbcubuzz/status/1221175868929839104?s=21
excrement Mayor Pete is woke now
being repped by charlamagne 'the god' confirms the massive shittyness of a person. not surprised pete is being repped by somebody as fake as him
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2020, 11:23:29 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 27, 2020, 06:02:32 AM
I don’t understand the left, like at all
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2020, 07:05:43 AM
https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/1221584561555025922?s=19Fields of wood
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2020, 07:14:09 AM
https://twitter.com/burkmc/status/1221595589550407680?s=21Hint, they're not leftists, just bog standard libs with idpol seasoning.
I don’t understand the left, like at all
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2020, 07:38:40 AM
"The LGTBQRZ/#1800Lipper community has been squeeze-lighted and borqued for far too long. The pen-vag narrowing of urethral rights has to stop from he-they!! Don't insult my femtelligence with their quasi-testicle mongering. I will not he she'd!! #takihim'd #NO FLAME MISTERSISTERING"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2020, 05:35:38 PM
Hahahahaha hahahaha hahahaha
Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2020, 05:53:19 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisjollyhale/status/1222257575250579458?s=21
Hahahahaha hahahaha hahahaha
I playfight with my dog by holding his nose like that all the time. I wouldn't expect you to know that as your dog has no nose.
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2020, 09:19:31 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2020, 09:47:59 PM
https://twitter.com/Mike2020/status/1222324982786797568?s=19
This plays like a parody ad mocking him
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Lol
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2020, 06:58:59 PM
https://twitter.com/eshaLegal/status/1222669740730191872?s=19
Post by: mj2sexay on January 30, 2020, 08:29:29 PM
Honestly it'd be an upgrade over his last couple of public appearances.
Post by: Badger on January 31, 2020, 07:42:10 AM
Post by: Badger on January 31, 2020, 07:53:13 AM
https://politics.theonion.com/you-re-a-piece-of-excrement-and-i-hope-everyone-like-you-di-1841363666Listen Jack, I don't know what you heard but back at the community swimming pool in Wilkes-Barre, we had a lifeguard named Zoppy, and he could do a hell of a butterfly stroke, and and and the kids today, they don't know uh appreciate the work you gotta put in and that's what my good friend Barack would say, there's no such thing as a free lunch.
Honestly it'd be an upgrade over his last couple of public appearances.
Post by: Jumbo on January 31, 2020, 08:27:35 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 31, 2020, 01:53:31 PM
Sending texting
Post by: Jumbo on January 31, 2020, 01:58:39 PM
https://twitter.com/garliccorgi/status/1223036157606400002?s=21
Sending texting
In the replies:
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Yet the iPhone is the product of socialism.
BSD OS was government funded and volunteer enhanced. IC was a product of NASA space program. VLSI patented by a transgender woman. CEO is gay. Smartphones & Tablets were product of "One Laptop Per Child" program.
Apple marketed.
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VLSI patented by a transgender woman. CEO is gay.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 01, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
Ah yes, it’s about that time in the election cycle where the left starts to eat itself
https://twitter.com/chrisjollyhale/status/1223442238509850624?s=21
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 01, 2020, 10:56:44 AM
she and her faction are such deplorable fvcking human beings, they deserve to rot in hell
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
https://twitter.com/DRCNH/status/1223313244431044610?s=20
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2020, 08:51:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 02, 2020, 11:00:24 AM
-direct quote from actual Bloomberg radio ad I just heard on WFAN
Post by: Badger on February 02, 2020, 05:34:58 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomangell/2020/02/01/bernie-sanders-pledges-legal-marijuana-in-all-50-states-on-day-one-as-president/amp/
Post by: Badger on February 02, 2020, 05:36:17 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/john-kerry-overheard-discussing-possible-2020-bid-amid-concern-sanders-n1128476
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 02, 2020, 10:41:01 PM
Let's goooooo
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomangell/2020/02/01/bernie-sanders-pledges-legal-marijuana-in-all-50-states-on-day-one-as-president/amp/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nKxvDYHkfSY
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 03, 2020, 06:40:48 AM
The candidate we didn’t know this race needed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 03, 2020, 06:41:05 AM
Kerry: I WILL STOP BERNIE BY TAKING VOTES FROM BIDEN
Post by: Badger on February 03, 2020, 09:24:18 AM
Best comment:Kerry has since emphatically denied the rumor but it was funny to imagine how feckless it would have been.
Kerry: I WILL STOP BERNIE BY TAKING VOTES FROM BIDEN
Post by: Badger on February 03, 2020, 10:23:01 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 04, 2020, 05:59:19 AM
https://twitter.com/gilbertjasono/status/1224548474722701312?s=19
Hehhehheh
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 04, 2020, 11:12:57 AM
Lolololol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 04, 2020, 11:20:20 AM
Gotta say this whole caucus thing seems very legitimate
https://twitter.com/jaylencavil/status/1224531122354298881?s=21
Are the Democrats ok?
Post by: mj2sexay on February 04, 2020, 11:24:24 AM
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2020, 12:18:17 PM
Putin did it.The #resistance is already blaming this on Sanders for suggesting the caucus process be more transparent.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 04, 2020, 01:14:53 PM
The #resistance is already blaming this on Sanders for suggesting the caucus process be more transparent.
I thought they already told you guys in a lawsuit that they don't owe you a free and fair primary process?
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 04, 2020, 02:04:33 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 04, 2020, 02:09:54 PM
Somehow, the entire left is going to be stunned and wonder how Trump got reelected.
It'll be Russia, racism, xenophobia or something like that. There will be absolutely no inward reflection of maybe altering their platform as a party to better suit their constituency, or you know, not trying to blatantly hijack the chances of grassroots/progressive candidates for their own designated nominee.
This isn't inherent to one political party by the way, the GOP after 2012 didn't do any sort of internal evaluation either (which is why I was fairly certain I'd be voting for GJ again at the time).
The only thing they did differently was get rid of the superdelegate system after the Ron Paul contingency went absolutely insane in 2012 and walked off the convention floor. Otherwise I have no doubt that Trump would've been screwed out of the nomination in 16 in favor of Rubio or low-energy Jeb! (please clap).
Post by: MBGreen on February 04, 2020, 02:52:19 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 04, 2020, 05:05:33 PM
https://twitter.com/andrewneville/status/1224190192984186882?s=21
Post by: bojanglesman on February 04, 2020, 05:11:50 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 04, 2020, 05:39:57 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 04, 2020, 05:44:07 PM
Typical Trump supporter
Post by: Pope on February 04, 2020, 06:43:28 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 04, 2020, 11:08:22 PM
Buttigieg 26.8%
Sanders 25.2%
Warren 18.4%
Biden 15.5%
Klobuchar 12.6%
Yang 1.1%
Steyer .3%
Uncommitted .2%
No further results expected to be released tonight.
Post by: Badger on February 05, 2020, 05:05:30 PM
Post by: delavan on February 05, 2020, 06:22:15 PM
https://twitter.com/crulge/status/1225192011969507331?s=19Nancy chaste and pure in white (too bad she lo-keyed the hi-beams)
Dem-Babes weren't the only walkouts
https://twitter.com/RepTimRyan/status/1224889867798224896
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 05, 2020, 10:49:38 PM
Get a look at mayor Pete getting bodied in his own thread before he deletes this
Post by: delavan on February 06, 2020, 10:01:53 AM
https://twitter.com/petebuttigieg/status/1225135191330521090?s=21
Get a look at mayor Pete getting bodied in his own thread before he deletes this
https://twitter.com/JayMansion1/status/1225152253956370436
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2020, 10:23:30 AM
Putin did it.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/06/democrat-congresswoman-blames-iowa-caucus-disaster-on-russia/
Never stop Sheila.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 06, 2020, 10:58:22 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2020, 11:15:18 AM
Without reading something about Russia, Fox News was reporting this morning that Trump followers were flooding phone lines in Iowa to cause disruptions.
Don't forget to mention that said prank phone calls (lmao) happened after the fact on Wednesday night.
It's absolutely juvenile, it's also not the reason for the absolute clusterfuck.
Just turn on MSNBC, you'll hear how Iowa happened because of something, something white supremacy.
Post by: Badger on February 06, 2020, 03:23:38 PM
Fire Tom Perez
Post by: Badger on February 07, 2020, 11:27:44 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 07, 2020, 01:43:08 PM
FEED ME A STRAY CAT
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2020, 08:07:27 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2020, 08:33:22 AM
It's an extreme double standard, especially considering the reactions of the left to crazies like Mike Pence
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2020, 08:41:01 AM
Post by: insanity on February 09, 2020, 09:31:10 AM
Whys it considered "acceptable" in the democratic party for blacks to hate Buttigeg (partly) because he's gay?I'm not sure what you mean by the democratic party, but I've never heard that it is acceptable rather that it is what is occurring in the polls.
It's an extreme double standard, especially considering the reactions of the left to crazies like Mike Pence
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2020, 12:30:51 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by the democratic party, but I've never heard that it is acceptable rather that it is what is occurring in the polls.
Has anyone in the democratic party spoken out or said a single negative word about it? Because plenty have said something along the lines of "its their belief in God" or they're religious, which is pure bullshit.
It's very easy for them to call anyone on the opposite side of the spectrum a bigot or racist, while completely ignoring it when it's their own
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2020, 05:42:29 PM
Whys it considered "acceptable" in the democratic party for blacks to hate Buttigeg (partly) because he's gay?Shut the freak up
It's an extreme double standard, especially considering the reactions of the left to crazies like Mike Pence
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2020, 05:43:41 PM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1226565174007648257?s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2020, 06:00:15 PM
Shut the freak up
Trump would be proud of the hatedred and ignorance. Maybe they can join the next neonazi rallies
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2020, 06:02:27 PM
Disqualifying for anyone to be focusing on tHe DeFiCiT when even conservatives clearly don't care about it.
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1226565174007648257?s=19
Trumps not a conservative he's jsut a freaking idiot
But we're about to enter a period of serious debt. Whether it's by Trumps big government spending, or whoever the left sends out there
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2020, 06:03:53 PM
Trump would be proud of the hatedred and ignorance. Maybe they can join the next neonazi rallies
lmao
Post by: insanity on February 09, 2020, 06:55:43 PM
Has anyone in the democratic party spoken out or said a single negative word about it? Because plenty have said something along the lines of "its their belief in God" or they're religious, which is pure bullshit.again, I have no clue what you're talking about. How has the democratic party condoned or supported this?
It's very easy for them to call anyone on the opposite side of the spectrum a bigot or racist, while completely ignoring it when it's their own
Saying something is status quo isnt supporting
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2020, 08:30:06 PM
again, I have no clue what you're talking about. How has the democratic party condoned or supported this?
Saying something is status quo isnt supporting
Well I guess what I'm getting at is none of them have spoken out against it. When you're the party whose supposed to be about inclusiveness and fighting against racism, sexism, and sexual orientation discrimination.
Yet one of if not the top candidate for your party is going to sizzle out because a large portion of your party hates him because of his sexual orientation. It's laughable.
In my opinion the greatest strength of the democratic party in recent years has been their liberal social views make the extreme ignorance of the right look like excrement. And now they're going to run a gay man out of their primaries because too many of them hate gays.
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2020, 10:00:57 PM
Post by: Pope on February 09, 2020, 10:12:48 PM
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2020, 10:43:47 PM
I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say that black people are generally homophobicNot especially but I'll allow you to keep digging a hole of shame
Post by: Pope on February 09, 2020, 10:44:53 PM
Not especially but I'll allow you to keep digging a hole of shameDid your wife’s boyfriend let you stay up late tonight to catch the end of the oscars?
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2020, 06:06:26 AM
Black people have legitimate reasons to not like Pete. I haven't seen a shred of homophobia. I guess that's hard to understand for people who think racism ended in 2008.
Legitimate reasons like he's gay?
Post by: insanity on February 10, 2020, 07:05:48 AM
Legitimate reasons like he's gay?I'm starting to think you have a crush on mayor pete
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2020, 08:48:50 AM
I'm starting to think you have a crush on mayor pete
Sorry I forgot only conservatives can be racists and bigots.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2020, 11:24:02 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2020, 11:25:59 AM
“From Lies, to someone that believes in Facts and Data”
-direct quote from actual Bloomberg radio ad I just heard on WFAN
The other standard ad is narrated by Michael Douglas lmfao
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2020, 11:35:28 AM
I saw that Bloomberg was literally doubling his (already large) adverting budget. There’s an ad every commercial break on WFAN
It's kinda crazy that the democratic ticket is going to come down to a former Republican or a Socialist because everyone hates their establishment candidates (biden, Warren)
Post by: Pope on February 10, 2020, 06:31:14 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200211/77d5d1e35dde66b00598569026522f49.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2020, 06:54:09 PM
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2020, 07:14:40 PM
Sorry I forgot only conservatives can be racists and bigots.You could just look at his record as mayor and figure it out but you're kinda defective so you wouldn't be able to find anything objectionable and would just return to this idea you made up so there's really no point.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 10, 2020, 07:23:14 PM
You could just look at his record as mayor and figure it out but you're kinda defective so you wouldn't be able to find anything objectionable and would just return to this idea you made up so there's really no point.
There was that whole thing about him firing a black police chief who got caught illegally wiretapping other public officials. So I think that's pretty clear proof that he's a complete racist
But I guess if Mayor Pete is a racist, then why are all these white democrats voting for a racist?
Either white democrats have no issues voting for a racist, or black democrats hate the gays.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2020, 07:31:27 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 10, 2020, 08:48:07 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2020, 09:39:42 PM
i can't imagine the number of unnecessary, self-inflicted brain farts DCM causes himself each day
Better than racist Mayor Pete’s cum farts
Post by: Pope on February 10, 2020, 10:13:59 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2020, 10:32:37 PM
Post by: Badger on February 11, 2020, 06:14:48 AM
If the DNC puts out Buttigieg they’ll get slaughtered in November. The only realistic candidate that could win is probably Bloomberg which looks like it isn’t happeningBloomberg, a Republican
Awesome advice
Post by: dcm1602 on February 11, 2020, 06:21:29 AM
Bloomberg, a Republican
Awesome advice
Considering the alternative is 4 more years of Trump dems should be licking Bloombergs nuts
But at least from current appearance Bloomberg looks like he by far has the best chance of winning a general election. They'd probably just need to find the lefts equivalent of Palin to pair up with him to appease their base. But Bernie Bros might just tank the whole election
Post by: Badger on February 11, 2020, 06:56:42 AM
Considering the alternative is 4 more years of Trump dems should be licking Bloombergs nuts
But at least from current appearance Bloomberg looks like he by far has the best chance of winning a general election. They'd probably just need to find the lefts equivalent of Palin to pair up with him to appease their base. But Bernie Bros might just tank the whole election
How is it possible for you to be so wrong about everything
I'm not sure where you form your political opinions from but if you started with a cable news segment and filtered it through three water cooler conversations the resulting excrement would probably resemble what you hold to be conventional truth
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1227068915982925824?s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on February 11, 2020, 07:19:46 AM
How is it possible for you to be so wrong about everything
I'm not sure where you form your political opinions from but if you started with a cable news segment and filtered it through three water cooler conversations the resulting excrement would probably resemble what you hold to be conventional truth
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1227068915982925824?s=19
Real clear politics has Bloomberg with the greatest margin via their latest polls (Quinnipiac)
Regardless we utilize an electoral vote not popular one
Post by: Pope on February 11, 2020, 09:18:55 AM
We’ve polled 50 LGBT teens in San Francisco and here’s why Trump will lose the election
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 11, 2020, 11:22:42 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1227261625167732736?s=20
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 11, 2020, 11:53:39 AM
https://twitter.com/trisha_tahmasbi/status/1227014773021323270?s=21
Post by: Pope on February 11, 2020, 01:40:03 PM
Post by: Badger on February 11, 2020, 07:07:33 PM
Wow was not expecting that. RIP Mike Bloomberg January 2020 - February 2020Centrists don't care and Mike will continue to buy all the airtime.
Post by: Badger on February 11, 2020, 07:07:56 PM
RIP NEETbux
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 11, 2020, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 12, 2020, 06:33:05 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 12, 2020, 06:39:02 AM
Want to see a dead body
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 12, 2020, 06:40:02 AM
Wonder who Bernie's running mate would be.
Token minority woman to appease the wokes
Post by: bojanglesman on February 12, 2020, 06:43:55 AM
Token minority woman to appease the wokesPlot twist- Pelosi to get the lowkey thicc vote
Post by: Jumbo on February 12, 2020, 07:20:41 AM
Token minority woman to appease the wokes
Stacey Abrams, governor of Georgia
Post by: MBGreen on February 12, 2020, 07:55:48 AM
Stacey Abrams, governor of Georgia
aka Lizzo
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 12, 2020, 09:11:33 AM
Wonder who Bernie's running mate would be.
That's actually a pretty fascinating question right now.
His health is a question mark, and there's no way the Trump campaign doesn't make that a target. So his running mate is going to have to be someone who appeals to everyone on the left, maybe even more than himself. The thought process is definitely going to be "What if I vote Bernie and he doesn't last 4 years?"
Does Biden have enough appeal at this point? Bloomberg's stop-and-frisk stance will severely hurt Sanders on the most important demographic the Dems have to win. I just don't see how anything but the most progressive left will vote for Buttigieg or any of the women (though Mayor Pete's and Klobuchar's performance last night might be a good signal).
Post by: Badger on February 12, 2020, 11:22:22 AM
(https://i.redd.it/ynofixcj4ig41.png)
Post by: Badger on February 12, 2020, 11:24:36 AM
Stacey Abrams, governor of GeorgiaI liked Abrams in her Georgia Gov campaign but she's been disappointing since then. I wouldn't be upset though.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 12, 2020, 11:31:56 AM
Elizabeth Warren, political mastermind
(https://i.redd.it/ynofixcj4ig41.png)
Honestly, that would be the pairing I'd most like to see. Their platforms are the most similar as far as I can tell--they just obviously have different opinions on how to make it work. Well, and they seemingly don't like each other.
Either way, I think it would be an unelectable ticket anyway. Which is amazing, considering the alternative would be 4 more years of Trump.
Post by: Badger on February 12, 2020, 11:32:50 AM
For mostly cynical reasons I felt Julian Castro would have made a good VP, from my POV he was one of the least bad candidates. But in terms of broad appeal he has a positive association with the still popular Obama administration, and could boost votes from his demo. Of course Castro endorsed Warren immediately after dropping out so freak him, I guess.
I like Barbara Lee but I have no idea if she's interested, plus she endorsed Kamala right out of the gate.
Some people suggest Gabbard but I don't know how what she would bring to the table vs the number of base voters she might alienate.
The real question is whether it will be an ideological ally or a pragmatic "balance the ticket" choice. If Sanders goes into the convention with a plurality but not a majority of delegates he might need to compromise on VP choice to secure the nom cleanly.
Biden and Bloomberg are not happening as a Sanders VP in a million years though.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 12, 2020, 11:41:41 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 12, 2020, 01:28:33 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 12, 2020, 01:55:07 PM
What’s Hilldawg up to these days
Not shutting up, that's what.
I was an unapologetic Clinton supporter, but she really needs to stop talking. I don't even like Bernie, but he's emerged as a leading candidate, just as he was in the previous cycle. But she can't stop talking excrement about him.
This cannibalistic attitude by the left is party suicide. And Sanders and his supporters are just as guilty (there's a good reason his supporters garnered the moniker "Bernie bros"). The difference is, Hillary had her shot and lost (at least in part to the aforementioned Bernie bros, but that's now irrelevant). Sanders and Warren need to bury the hatchet. Hillary needs to STFU.
As I said during the impeachment process, the entire Democratic party should be solely focusing on solidarity and how to beat Trump. Instead, they're constantly infighting, pursuing articles of impeachment that were predetermined failures, and publicly attacking each other rather than opponents.
The GOP is on a completely different level than the Dems when it comes to the game of politics. It's literally the only thing I respect about the right.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 12, 2020, 05:27:41 PM
Well, and they seemingly don't like each other.
Bernie has no issues with Warren. Warren just decided to act like a female a little earlier than Clinton did and started claiming how her sex/gender is being used against her as an excuse to garner a wave of remorse. there's no coincidence that, all at the same time, these events occured: BS claims from warren about bernie, the BS from Bitchary about how nobody likes Bernie and that he's not a unity candidate, and the Warren campaign coming out with a 'Unity' message as a part of their campaign the next week. There's no doubt in my mind that Hilary and Warren plotted that cheap excrement together in a concerted effort against Bernie.
buttygieg isn't even using his gayness as an excuse as something that is a huge barrier to him, he just got all emotional about how he was gay and 'won' the iowa caucus. the dem nomination is still up for grabs and warren already started resorting to excuses
the dems are freaking annoying
Post by: Badger on February 12, 2020, 07:13:01 PM
Tammy Baldwin checks so many boxes in terms of being a possible Sanders running mate that I think the fit is obvious.Right. Forgot about her.
Post by: Badger on February 12, 2020, 07:19:53 PM
Post by: Badger on February 12, 2020, 07:28:51 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 12, 2020, 09:23:18 PM
He's a pick that appeals to a certain extreme portion of the democratic base, while being too radical for many of the more centrist/moderates.
Finding someone young, charismatic, and moderate that could use the VP as a building block to launch their career is basically what he needs
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 12, 2020, 10:36:54 PM
Considering the alternative is 4 more years of Trump dems should be licking Bloombergs nuts
But at least from current appearance Bloomberg looks like he by far has the best chance of winning a general election. They'd probably just need to find the lefts equivalent of Palin to pair up with him to appease their base. But Bernie Bros might just tank the whole election
Bernie Sanders needs the democratic equivalent of Sarah Palin in reverse, whoever that may be.
He's a pick that appeals to a certain extreme portion of the democratic base, while being too radical for many of the more centrist/moderates.
Finding someone young, charismatic, and moderate that could use the VP as a building block to launch their career is basically what he needs
dcm pushing this Palin thing is peak level dcm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8135/30243000432_c80512d7b3_b.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on February 12, 2020, 11:11:07 PM
dcm pushing this Palin thing is peak level dcm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8135/30243000432_c80512d7b3_b.jpg)
I know this is going to come as a surprise to people
But my brain doesn't work very well
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 13, 2020, 01:54:46 AM
dcm pushing this Palin thing is peak level dcm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8135/30243000432_c80512d7b3_b.jpg)
goddamnit she was such a fvcking baddie
overused to hell and dry as excrement now, but in her day she was a bonafide baddie
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 13, 2020, 06:38:22 AM
goddamnit she was such a fvcking baddie
overused to hell and dry as excrement now, but in her day she was a bonafide baddie
prone. bone.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 13, 2020, 06:43:23 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 13, 2020, 06:51:39 AM
I'd vote for her
just wait until you see Nancy Pelosi
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 13, 2020, 07:23:19 AM
Wat
Post by: bojanglesman on February 13, 2020, 09:37:16 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 13, 2020, 09:40:01 AM
Honestly, that would be the pairing I'd most like to see. Their platforms are the most similar as far as I can tell--they just obviously have different opinions on how to make it work. Well, and they seemingly don't like each other.
Either way, I think it would be an unelectable ticket anyway. Which is amazing, considering the alternative would be 4 more years of Trump.
Lol Warren is just as unelecteable as that queynte they picked 4 years ago. So is Sanders another awful disgusting candidate. The Dems are a freaking joke, even bigger than the bunch of cunts known as Republicans.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 13, 2020, 09:57:25 AM
Like how freaking stupid do you need to be to realize that the jerkoffs you're nominating can't beat a mentally deranged orange dude or a guy who proudly claims to be a socialist
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 13, 2020, 05:33:23 PM
It's pretty fucked up that the political parties are both so busted that the people winning their primaries are the ones they want nothing to do with
Like how freaking stupid do you need to be to realize that the jerkoffs you're nominating can't beat a mentally deranged orange dude or a guy who proudly claims to be a socialist
who cares if the democratic or republican party do not like a particular candidate? i don't give a freak. the two party system is a detriment to the american people. freak them
inject a candidate like bernie who establishment democrats cannot stand into my freaking veins
Post by: bojanglesman on February 13, 2020, 06:10:14 PM
who cares if the democratic or republican party do not like a particular candidate? i don't give a freak. the two party system is a detriment to the american people. freak themI'd like to see a really hot MILF run for President just to see how many guys vote with their dick.
inject a candidate like bernie who establishment democrats cannot stand into my freaking veins
Post by: Jumbo on February 13, 2020, 06:46:10 PM
I'd like to see a really hot MILF run for President just to see how many guys vote with their dick.
still better than half the actual options
Post by: Badger on February 13, 2020, 07:28:01 PM
Lol Warren is just as unelecteable as that queynte they picked 4 years ago. So is Sanders another awful disgusting candidate. The Dems are a freaking joke, even bigger than the bunch of cunts known as Republicans.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200214/09b4f41f68d72c7ad71c8c310c1fc0ed.jpg)
Post by: Badger on February 13, 2020, 07:28:45 PM
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/02/13/the-belief-that-everything-will-be-fine-once-trumps-gone-is-more-dangerous-than-trump/
Post by: dcm1602 on February 14, 2020, 02:11:18 PM
Mandatory reading for libs
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2020/02/13/the-belief-that-everything-will-be-fine-once-trumps-gone-is-more-dangerous-than-trump/
Sounds like shes a nice bulldyke queynte.
On a serious note, I think when people think rationally that you can have different views and be a reasonable person.
She's an absolute insane freaking nut job
Post by: Badger on February 14, 2020, 07:12:03 PM
This should be 1000% more embarrassing than "what is Aleppo?"
Post by: dcm1602 on February 15, 2020, 01:00:14 AM
Klobuchar and Steyer couldn't name the presdient of Mexico. These mf don't know about AMLO.
It's spelled Alamo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 15, 2020, 02:33:17 PM
Quote
Bloomberg reportedly considering Hillary Clinton as his running mate
Let’s Go
Post by: dcm1602 on February 15, 2020, 03:30:59 PM
Let’s Go
At least they should have a strong grip on getting NY
And like 5 billion dollars
Post by: Miamipuck on February 15, 2020, 03:48:42 PM
Let’s Go
He loses my vote if he does that.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 15, 2020, 03:51:19 PM
He loses my vote if he does that.
He automatically wins the primary when Hillary bribes the dnc to take out Bernie
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2020, 06:35:58 PM
He loses my vote if he does that.He should lose your vote for being a monstrous POS
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2020, 06:36:20 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnRBielski/status/1229147050417283072?s=19
Post by: Miamipuck on February 16, 2020, 11:36:59 PM
He should lose your vote for being a monstrous POS
SBTB
Post by: Jumbo on February 17, 2020, 12:01:27 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2020, 06:04:19 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2020, 06:33:38 AM
Bloomberg storyline is more interesting than I anticipated
Post by: dcm1602 on February 17, 2020, 06:59:00 AM
Like Obama was incredibly charismatic and smart. Hillary would sell her soul and murder anyone in her way.
Sanders is just some crazy freaking delirious old dude who has no grasp on reality.
I mean sure we have a crazy delirious old dude now. But he know how to rile up people's fears and use lots of mantras. Plus he's a billionaire
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2020, 09:32:32 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 17, 2020, 11:37:25 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 17, 2020, 11:52:21 AM
still seeing buttigieg being labelled as a 'progressive'. being gay doesn't mean he's progressive, it means he's fvcking gay
Lmao
Post by: insanity on February 17, 2020, 01:30:22 PM
How is Bernie Sanders even a thing?It's a thing the same way trump is a thing. People are fed up with the scenario and want extreme change
Like Obama was incredibly charismatic and smart. Hillary would sell her soul and murder anyone in her way.
Sanders is just some crazy freaking delirious old dude who has no grasp on reality.
I mean sure we have a crazy delirious old dude now. But he know how to rile up people's fears and use lots of mantras. Plus he's a billionaire
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2020, 04:23:39 PM
Bloomberg trying hard to swing Trump voters
Post by: dcm1602 on February 17, 2020, 05:30:41 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 17, 2020, 05:37:55 PM
Bernie Bros going all out to get Trump reflected
stop being obtuse
the democrats are going all out to get trump 'reflected'
Post by: Pope on February 17, 2020, 06:26:08 PM
https://twitter.com/benjaminpdixon/status/1229472800194416640?s=21Lmao what is the context to that
Bloomberg trying hard to swing Trump voters
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 17, 2020, 06:29:08 PM
Lmao what is the context to that
the context is the same as it always is for bloomberg, being a piece of excrement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2020, 06:40:01 PM
Lmao what is the context to that
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While promoting a multi-million dollar initiative to “reduce disparities” as the mayor of New York City in 2011, Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg said “enormous cohorts” of young black and Latino men “don't know how to behave in the workplace where they have to work collaboratively and collectively.”
Bloomberg made the remarks during an interview with PBS Newshour, as he promoted his Young Men’s Initiative, a $127 million, three-year program funded in part by Bloomberg’s charitable organization, financier George Soros’ Open Society Foundations, and the city of New York. “Blacks and Latinos score terribly in school testing compared to whites and Asians. If you look at our jails, it’s predominantly minorities,” Bloomberg said.
“If you look at where crime takes place, it’s in minority neighborhoods. If you look at who the victims and the perpetrators are, it’s virtually all minorities,” Bloomberg continued. “This is something that has gone on for a long time, I assume it’s prevalent elsewhere but it’s certainly true in New York City.”
Bloomberg touted his administration’s work to reduce the crime rate, which he credited in this interview to diversifying the police force, saying that it was “particularly important to black and Latino kids and their families and neighborhoods, because that’s where the crime is.”
Bloomberg also said his administration had worked to “attract industries that can use the people here who are unemployed” and increase job opportunities for marginalized people overall.
“But nevertheless, there's this enormous cohort of black and Latino males, age, let’s say, 16 to 25,” Bloomberg continued, “that don't have jobs, don't have any prospects, don't know how to find jobs, don't know what their skillsets are, don't know how to behave in the workplace where they have to work collaboratively and collectively.”
I don’t remember widespread outrage about these comments, presumably because woke/cancel culture didn’t start until like ~2014
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2020, 06:44:02 PM
the context is the same as it always is for bloomberg, being a piece of excrement
I love how the comments online under these stories all read:
“OMG!! Bloomberg getting exposed more and more every day!”
These remarks were made in a publicized interview with PBS.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2020, 06:46:20 PM
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financier George Soros’ Open Society Foundations
“fInAnCeD bY gEorGe SoRoS”
Post by: Miamipuck on February 17, 2020, 07:29:17 PM
I love how the comments online under these stories all read:
“OMG!! Bloomberg getting exposed more and more every day!”
These remarks were made in a publicized interview with PBS.
Omg Bloomberg what a POS, let's vote Bernie,he's one awesome amazing dude.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 17, 2020, 08:27:50 PM
Post by: Badger on February 17, 2020, 09:55:02 PM
Bernie Bros going all out to get Trump reflectedHe has a better chance at beating Trump than the rest of the field and you've got nothing to dispute that. Please just admit to your complete ignorance of anything outside your personal bubble.
Post by: Badger on February 17, 2020, 09:59:14 PM
How is Bernie Sanders even a thing?
I'll make it simple so you might get it.
Millions of people are suffering and millions of other people give a excrement.
The rest of the field either wants to nibble around the edges of it and the opposition thinks those people deserve to suffer.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2020, 10:01:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2020, 11:07:20 PM
"A fellow buttigieger"
Post by: mj2sexay on February 18, 2020, 12:34:50 AM
and the opposition thinks those people deserve to suffer.
No we don't.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 18, 2020, 01:56:17 AM
I'll make it simple so you might get it.
Millions of people are suffering and millions of other people give a excrement.
The rest of the field either wants to nibble around the edges of it and the opposition thinks those people deserve to suffer.
Weird how it's not the people suffering that support him
It's children who don't want to pay for their student loans and aren't happy with their jobs at best buy or living with their parents.
Bernie is basically a candidate whose entire candacy is built upon trendy college hipsters.
And yes I understand that people suffering and wanting to help them is Noble, you have to have realistic feasible ideas.
Bringing in a delusional fool like Bernie whose plan is to give everyone rainbows and unicorns sounds wonderful but isn't based in the real world
The US economy is built a certain way, and you can feasibly approach it different ways (I'm certainly not suggesting the Republicans are the answer)
But at least someone like Obama intelligently and coherently implemented liberal ideas. I certainly didn't agree with them, but I had faith that he knew what he was doing. Bernie isn't that
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2020, 05:29:35 AM
Weird how it's not the people suffering that support himAgain, everything you just said was wrong
It's children who don't want to pay for their student loans and aren't happy with their jobs at best buy or living with their parents.
Bernie is basically a candidate whose entire candacy is built upon trendy college hipsters.
And yes I understand that people suffering and wanting to help them is Noble, you have to have realistic feasible ideas.
Bringing in a delusional fool like Bernie whose plan is to give everyone rainbows and unicorns sounds wonderful but isn't based in the real world
The US economy is built a certain way, and you can feasibly approach it different ways (I'm certainly not suggesting the Republicans are the answer)
But at least someone like Obama intelligently and coherently implemented liberal ideas. I certainly didn't agree with them, but I had faith that he knew what he was doing. Bernie isn't that
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2020, 05:32:00 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 18, 2020, 07:04:09 AM
Again, everything you just said was wrong
Lolok
Tell your Bernie Bros to enjoy the Trump circus for the next 4 years.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2020, 07:50:01 AM
I've also chosen that I won't vote defensively, I'll vote for the candidate I most agree with.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 18, 2020, 08:23:50 AM
Sanders 31 ($1.3m)
Bloomberg 19 ($22m)
Biden 15 ($0.8m)
Warren 12 ($1.8m)
Klobuchar 9 ($1.2m)
Buttigieg 8 ($5m)
Post by: mj2sexay on February 18, 2020, 11:34:49 AM
Also, 5'4" pile of excrement just qualified for the next debate. Watching all the people who bashed Bernie for not being a "real" Democrat since 2015 now start to fall in line behind Republican Bloomberg is deeply validating.
In what universe is Bloomberg a Republican.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 18, 2020, 04:14:56 PM
In what universe is Bloomberg a Republican.
The one where everyone who isn't a crazy socialist is evil, racist, homophobic, and doesn't care about people suffering.
Post by: delavan on February 18, 2020, 05:28:33 PM
Also, 5'4" RACIST pile of excrement just qualified for the next debate. Watching all the people who bashed Bernie for not being a "real" Democrat since 2015 now start to fall in line behind Republican Bloomberg is deeply validating.CNN just showed a video clip of a "Mike for Black America" rally with the little bigot fronting a group of African-American all of whom were holding "Mike for Black America" signs. Creepy optics.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2020, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2020, 07:24:19 PM
If Bernie wins the primary, the question is what happens to the Democrat voters that preferred a different candidate and the voters who aren't democrats but don't like Trump. They have a choice. Vote for Bernie or stay home, knowing that it's a passive vote for the guy that none of them want for 4 more years.
Same as usual.
A literal barrel of turds win the Republican nomination. Republican voters: "That's my guy!"
Any Democrat candidate is nominated. Registered Democrats: "I saw a picture of that guy in college wearing socks of a pattern that I really didn't like. freak him, I'm staying home on election day and eating ice cream and hate watching TV and bemoaning that somehow a barrel of turd inexplicably became President."
Post by: dcm1602 on February 18, 2020, 08:03:08 PM
Same as usual.
A literal barrel of turds win the Republican nomination. Republican voters: "That's my guy!"
Any Democrat candidate is nominated. Registered Democrats: "I saw a picture of that guy in college wearing socks of a pattern that I really didn't like. freak him, I'm staying home on election day and eating ice cream and hate watching TV and bemoaning that somehow a barrel of turd inexplicably became President."
That's really how both parties work
The establishment just says we know better than you so freak you
Last election cycle it was blatantly on display with the narrative between Bernie and Hillary, and Trump vs the Republicans.
Only difference was the Republican establishment candidates were so insanely shitty Trump managed to beat them. And it's pretty clear the democrat establishment candidates are basically out of the race already (biden and Warren).
And when your party can't rally behind an established candidate everyone's jsut going to bitch and moan. Which is why there was a lot of talk about Republicans voting libertarian last election, and Bernie Bros putting Trump in the Whitehouse
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2020, 08:18:50 PM
Democrats had better figure out how to play offense and not spend all day trying to defend their positions. It's not right, but it's reality.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 18, 2020, 08:23:40 PM
Like them or not, Republicans are good at going on the offensive these days. No matter how retarded the offensive is. Trump is going to throw so much random excrement at a wall until something sticks. They will dig up some Bernie excrement from the 80's, random other quotes, this one time he looked at a lady's funbags for 1 second too long in 1991.....
Democrats had better figure out how to play offense and not spend all day trying to defend their positions. It's not right, but it's reality.
https://twitter.com/josecanyousee/status/1225667048497238016?s=21
OMG!! Bernie getting exposed more and more every day!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 18, 2020, 08:26:27 PM
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The Bernie Sanders campaign spent just under $1.2 million on private jet travel last quarter, outpacing the entire 2020 Democratic presidential primary field.
The most recent filing from Sanders reveals $1,199,579 in spending during the final three months of 2019 to Apollo Jets, LLC, a "luxury private jet charter service." The campaign spent an additional $23,941 for transportation to Virginia-based Advanced Aviation Team.
The candidate who comes closest to matching Sanders in private jet spending was former vice president Joe Biden, whose campaign spent $1,040,698 to Advanced Aviation Team last quarter.
An analysis of private jet spending in filings from other top candidates found that Elizabeth Warren's campaign spent $720,518 and Pete Buttigieg's campaign spent $323,518. Michael Bloomberg, who pumped a whopping $200 million of his personal fortune into his campaign's opening weeks, spent about $646,000 on private jet travel, about half of what Sanders spent.
#BernieNewDeal
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2020, 08:34:57 PM
#BernieNewDeal
Given he's been working at least twice as hard at stumping as anyone else, that's not exactly a huge shock. He can't exactly do it via Expedia.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 18, 2020, 08:59:16 PM
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Around that time, the candidate brought on Symone Sanders to serve as his national press secretary and one of the first black faces of his campaign. During her first week on the job, she said, she told Sanders that he had to treat racial inequality and economic inequality as “parallel issues” — a suggestion she said he ran with. “I [told him], you know, economic equality is an issue. It’s something we need to address. But for some people it doesn’t matter how much money you make, it doesn’t matter where you went to school, it doesn’t matter what your parents do. It doesn’t matter that Sandra Bland had a job and was on her way to teach for her alma mater. It doesn’t matter. None of that matters.”
By the time his campaign aides scrambled to release a detailed criminal justice platform on Aug. 9, Sanders was still struggling. In a September meeting with Campaign Zero, a movement formed out of the Ferguson protests, activists asked Sanders why, in his opinion, there were a disproportionate amount of people of color in jail for nonviolent drug offenses. Sanders, seated across the table, a yellow legal pad at hand, responded with a question of his own, according to two people present: “Aren’t most of the people who sell the drugs African American?” The candidate, whose aides froze in the moment, was quickly rebuffed: The answer, the activists told him, was no. Even confronted with figures and data to the contrary, Sanders appeared to have still struggled to grasp that he had made an error, the two people present said.
-Buzzfeed News (lololol)
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2020, 09:11:20 PM
In what universe is Bloomberg a Republican.This one, same universe as Trump
Post by: Jumbo on February 18, 2020, 09:12:00 PM
This one, same universe as Trump
By this logic Trump is acculy a Democrat
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2020, 09:12:42 PM
By this logic Trump is acculy a Democrat
Trump is not an anything and I think that has been fairly clearly proven by now.
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2020, 09:13:24 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/democrat-pete-buttigieg-overstated-pledges-support-black-leaders/story?id=69053705&id=69053705&__twitter_impression=true
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2020, 09:16:54 PM
By this logic Trump is acculy a DemocratWe're getting dangerously close to mj telling us how the slaveowners were all Democrats (and still would be today)
Post by: Jumbo on February 18, 2020, 09:28:55 PM
Trump is not an anything and I think that has been fairly clearly proven by now.
Most of the justification for Bloomberg being a secret GOP operative is "he was one from 2001-07" which is the same period of time Trump was a Dem.
If alternatively you think Bloomberg's platform would fit in with the GOP today, I can't help you
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2020, 09:34:11 PM
Most of the justification for Bloomberg being a secret GOP operative is "he was one from 2001-07" which is the same period of time Trump was a Dem.
If alternatively you think Bloomberg's platform would fit in with the GOP today, I can't help you
I don't have any opinion on Bloomberg. I like a lot of Sanders and Warren's positions. I have no opinions on any other candidates other than Tulsi Gabbard would get it if she asked nicely.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 18, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
Steinbrenner: Well, Bernie was a good prospect, no question about it. But my baseball people loved Joe Biden’s bat. They kept saying “Joe Biden, Joe Biden.”
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2020, 09:56:28 PM
https://twitter.com/aidachavez/status/1229947380495052800?s=19
Post by: Jumbo on February 18, 2020, 09:58:32 PM
I don't have any opinion on Bloomberg. I like a lot of Sanders and Warren's positions. I have no opinions on any other candidates other than Tulsi Gabbard would get it if she asked nicely.
I meant "you" in the general sense
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2020, 10:03:53 PM
Most of the justification for Bloomberg being a secret GOP operative is "he was one from 2001-07" which is the same period of time Trump was a Dem.Bloomberg could probably pull in 20% in a crowded GOP primary if he ran enough ads saying he would be America the most.
If alternatively you think Bloomberg's platform would fit in with the GOP today, I can't help you
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 18, 2020, 10:06:08 PM
https://twitter.com/CANCEL_SAM/status/1229972078755008512?s=19
https://twitter.com/aidachavez/status/1229947380495052800?s=19
“Having a normal one” is a phrase I intend to beat to death this election cycle
Post by: dcm1602 on February 18, 2020, 10:13:37 PM
Bloomberg could probably pull in 20% in a crowded GOP primary if he ran enough ads saying he would be America the most.
So you're saying Bloomberg is a person both Republicans and Democrats could support?
How horrible, burn it with fire!
Let's get someone whose own party can't stand them instead
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2020, 10:48:24 PM
So you're saying Bloomberg is a person both Republicans and Democrats could support?Please stop pulling excrement like this out of your derriere, you're embarrassing yourself (more than usual)
How horrible, burn it with fire!
Let's get someone whose own party can't stand them instead
Post by: dcm1602 on February 18, 2020, 11:31:30 PM
Please stop pulling excrement like this out of your derriere, you're embarrassing yourself (more than usual)
Except it's not
Post by: Badger on February 19, 2020, 05:26:12 AM
Except it's notBloomberg would lose in the general, guaranteed. Hillary all over again.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2020, 06:39:00 AM
Bloomberg would lose in the general, guaranteed. Hillary all over again.
Except absolutely nobody hates Bloomberg like Hillary.
The dudes a boring uninspiring candidate by all means. But he's a moderate in today's world of extremes. Which means he could easily attract moderates who don't like Trump but don't want a far left loon like Sanders. And hell he would attract Republicans as well.
I realize I'm to the right of the spectrum but I would absolutely vote for Bloomberg assuming his VP isn't some nut job.
The best thing for this country would be both parties moving towards the center. And if Bloomberg got the nod the Republicans would be forced to move to the left next election.
This bullshit where the left keeps moving to the left and the right keeps moving to the right (with the exception of Trump who is a big union Clinton loving liberal) is terrible for the country.
I don't care if someone is a Democrat or a Republican. If you think moving back and forth from the far left to the far right every 4 to 8 years is better than sensible moderates you're insane.
And Bloomberg is somewhat moderate in today's climate
Post by: Pope on February 19, 2020, 07:53:21 AM
Except absolutely nobody hates Bloomberg like Hillary.This is my stance. Instead we have people slinging excrement at one another from polar opposites of the political spectrum
The dudes a boring uninspiring candidate by all means. But he's a moderate in today's world of extremes. Which means he could easily attract moderates who don't like Trump but don't want a far left loon like Sanders. And hell he would attract Republicans as well.
I realize I'm to the right of the spectrum but I would absolutely vote for Bloomberg assuming his VP isn't some nut job.
The best thing for this country would be both parties moving towards the center. And if Bloomberg got the nod the Republicans would be forced to move to the left next election.
This bullshit where the left keeps moving to the left and the right keeps moving to the right (with the exception of Trump who is a big union Clinton loving liberal) is terrible for the country.
I don't care if someone is a Democrat or a Republican. If you think moving back and forth from the far left to the far right every 4 to 8 years is better than sensible moderates you're insane.
And Bloomberg is somewhat moderate in today's climate
Post by: Badger on February 19, 2020, 07:59:34 AM
dcm stating his personal opinions as fact again
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 19, 2020, 08:01:18 AM
Can anyone verify that?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 08:43:54 AM
Just saw someone make the point that if Bloomberg invests $1 billion into his campaign, and loses, but he wouldn’t have to pay $3.56 billion in taxes under Warren and Bernie’s billionaire tax clauses.Or he would get a $7 billion tax cut and free blowjobs every Wednesday under Trump's.
Can anyone verify that?
*Bo scrambles some cash together to run for President on the Brewster platform
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Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2020, 08:48:50 AM
"Nobody hates Bloomberg"
dcm stating his personal opinions as fact again
Missed the as much as Hillary part I guess.
But Bernie Bros are dead set on that Bernie or Trump mindset. Guess they're more moderate than they seem wanting to get Trump reelected
Post by: Miamipuck on February 19, 2020, 10:21:15 AM
My situation:
I took several steps back in my life. I had an ex-wife who was very sick, I was her caretaker for over a dozen years more than anything. When I asked her family for help (not monetary, just nursing and actual care help) they stole excrement and made my life hell so I moved out, while still paying for everything. 2 years later, I sold the house, gave my ex a small fortune to be done with everything, all several years prior to leaving Florida. I came back to NY for a new life, thought I had a great gal and it turned out after my money went, mentally so did she. This is all no big deal excrement happens in life.
Today, I am working 2 jobs, taking 18 credits in college to get an accounting degree and sleep in the odd spare time when I get it. I did this because I had to reinvent myself basically the mountain isn't coming to me. For the first time since my early 20's, I owe people money and can't really spend anything on leisure. I had/have to work my derriere off more than any other time in my life. I literally do not have any free time. However, I have never felt more accomplished and happier, plus I now have a great girlfriend.
So what does this mean to the political discussion here.
I am tired of the same old promise everything to everyone candidates. This is America where anything is still possible and where you should not have your hand out expecting something in return for nothing. Go out reinvent yourself, go to school, don't go to school, start your own business or don't, work for someone or don't etc. etc.
You Bernie people say Bloomberg is a scumbag. You know what, this may come off as condescending and I don't care. I know more about Bloomberg than most and I don't give a freak about that opinion. My best friend was an upper level executive at Bloomberg and discussed with me ad-nauseum the culture there. He had daily meetings with MB, his co-founder (who he called the angriest billionaire on the planet but got along great with him) and or the CEO of the business (Dan Doctoroff a complete and utter scumbag).
They weren't nice guys, in fact they ran quite the tight ship, Bloomberg the company isn't a happy go lucky place. They pay extremely well but with that comes an immense price not limited to your soul. The internal rules and regulations were onerous or draconian if you will. The employment there was a barbell, meaning there were a lot of people that worked there forever and many people that worked there for a short time, but not many in the middle. Which is usually telling of an environment that is very tough to get along in. Take all of that how it's intended, to give you a background.
I know Bloomberg will govern the country better than Trump and god forbid Bernie or even worse Warren. Every single one of which is a slimy scumbag, no different than Bloomberg.
As much as I detest Trump and the sycophants that follow the Republican party, especially the vocal 2% that espouse the vomit inducing opinions of "conservative" America and or the god squad, I am 100% voting for 4 more years if Bernie or Warren are the nominees.
I don't want Nazi era judges and god squad in power but I will take that any day of the week rather than see America be a socialist country. I know Congress probably won't let that happen but I don't want to take the chance. I would rather a small infinitesimal chance that government can shrink versus making tax rates expand. If anyone thinks that over-taxing will cure what ails this country, they're 100% nuts.
There are lots of things I want to see that wouldn't happen from either side, I would love to see an emphasis on growing small business, cleaner fuels, fixing the infrastructure, fixing the power grid, modernizing the country etc. etc. All of which is very doable if it's done right. What I don't want, is what happened to Amazon last year where business and commerce is destroyed by pure abject ignorance.
Want to help the little guy? Help small business's and the country's infrastructure, not bail reform and not more handouts. It's just not going to happen with all of the polarized agenda's out there.
Yes, if you want handouts, go freak yourself. Go get a job or two or 3. Go back to school, get vocational training. It's all possible if you have an ounce of initiative. I am tired, sick and tired, of hands being out or expecting something for nothing. I have borrowed and owe money for the first time in a long derriere time and it sucks. That said even though I am ancient, I will have decent prospects once I graduate.
The one and only deviation to my opinion is free/affordable healthcare. I do think that should be available to everyone. Once again that's if you can find a system that can work. I am not sure it's possible with the assholes we have in office.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 19, 2020, 10:47:31 AM
Missed the as much as Hillary part I guess.
But Bernie Bros are dead set on that Bernie or Trump mindset. Guess they're more moderate than they seem wanting to get Trump reelected
if it comes down to bernie vs trump, bernie will beat trump
the only people who are actually making 'bernie bros' a thing are people that have lived nice, privileged lives who get super offended if somebody curses at them over the internet. must be nice
those same people are saying it can't be bernie so that the democratic party is 'united against trump', but if bernie was the candidate they wouldn't hold themselves to the same fvcking standards to vote for him if they don't like bernie
fvck all that excrement
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 11:00:01 AM
Here's a serious post whether you guys like my opinion or not.
My situation:
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Puck 2020....Appetizers For All Who Want It
Post by: Jumbo on February 19, 2020, 11:00:28 AM
if it comes down to bernie vs trump, bernie will beat trump
the only people who are actually making 'bernie bros' a thing are people that have lived nice, privileged lives who get super offended if somebody curses at them over the internet. must be nice
those same people are saying it can't be bernie so that the democratic party is 'united against trump', but if bernie was the candidate they wouldn't hold themselves to the same fvcking standards to vote for him if they don't like bernie
fvck all that excrement
Trump will spam Bernie's praise of Castro, Sandinistas, etc. non-stop in Florida if he's the nominee. And losing Florida would imo be a death knell. Doesn't matter if he wins by 5 million votes in California or whatever
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2020, 12:01:38 PM
The one and only deviation to my opinion is free/affordable healthcare. I do think that should be available to everyone. Once again that's if you can find a system that can work. I am not sure it's possible with the assholes we have in office.
Free health care is not without its warts. If you require an MRI that isn't life-threatening, you could be waiting 4-6 months, sometimes longer. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I could just imagine your wait times with the greater population density in the States.
EDIT: BTW great post, glad you're doing better Puck.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 12:02:48 PM
Trump will spam Bernie's praise of Castro, Sandinistas, etc. non-stop in Florida if he's the nominee. And losing Florida would imo be a death knell. Doesn't matter if he wins by 5 million votes in California or whatever
You're right about the first part, but losing Florida isn't a death knell. Doesn't help, but not the end of the world.
There are several other states that were really close losses last time that could flip and more than make up for it. Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn., North Carolina.....
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 12:29:50 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 19, 2020, 01:15:37 PM
Free health care is not without its warts. If you require an MRI that isn't life-threatening, you could be waiting 4-6 months, sometimes longer. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I could just imagine your wait times with the greater population density in the States.I understand free Healthcare isn't without warts, quite the contrary. However, in this day and age something can be done to help. There's a lot of smart people that shouldbe able to figure a way to make it all work. Maybe, I am wrong, who knows at least try
EDIT: BTW great post, glad you're doing better Puck.
Thank you bro, I sincerely appreciate it!
Post by: Miamipuck on February 19, 2020, 01:18:02 PM
Puck 2020....Appetizers For All Who Want It
Next dinner with you schmucks, I am doubling the amount of appetizers, appetizers for all.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 19, 2020, 02:08:03 PM
Same as usual.
A literal barrel of turds win the Republican nomination. Republican voters: "That's my guy!"
Any Democrat candidate is nominated. Registered Democrats: "I saw a picture of that guy in college wearing socks of a pattern that I really didn't like. freak him, I'm staying home on election day and eating ice cream and hate watching TV and bemoaning that somehow a barrel of turd inexplicably became President."
This is of course so truthful given the entire grift of the Republican NeverTrump crowd, or say, Ron Paul's delegates in 2012 walking off the convention floor as opposed to supporting the nominee.
Remind me again in 2016 of Republicans coming up with a stupid rhyme scheme thats comparable to the "blue no matter who" nonsense in order to essentially dictate to people that they'll vote for whoever the RNC decides is the nominee as opposed to, you know, a fair and open primary process, and they better like it.
if it comes down to bernie vs trump, bernie will beat trump
the only people who are actually making 'bernie bros' a thing are people that have lived nice, privileged lives who get super offended if somebody curses at them over the internet. must be nice
those same people are saying it can't be bernie so that the democratic party is 'united against trump', but if bernie was the candidate they wouldn't hold themselves to the same fvcking standards to vote for him if they don't like bernie
fvck all that excrement
1. Pretty sure George McGoverns followers said the same thing before he got absolutely destroyed by Nixon (though at least Bernie will undoubtedly carry the big coastal states like NY and Cali). But I look forward after a 2020 Bernie-Trump standoff to another four years of "BuT He WoN tHe PoPuLaR vOtE"
2. Interesting timing in posting that comment in light of a poster above explaining how he's had anything but a "privileged" existence, and despite despising Trump, would vote for him over Bernie.
3. fair criticism of the "blue no matter who" crowd that's now all of a sudden gunning for Bernie since he's leading the primary-but then again maybe don't expect a lot out of people who are so triblaistic they'll blindly cast their vote for someone because they have a (D) next to their name.
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2020, 02:21:45 PM
I understand free Healthcare isn't without warts, quite the contrary. However, in this day and age something can be done to help. There's a lot of smart people that shouldbe able to figure a way to make it all work. Maybe, I am wrong, who knows at least try
Thank you bro, I sincerely appreciate it!
If you guys figure it out, maybe you can share that wealth of knowledge with our retarded govt.
Post by: Johnny English on February 19, 2020, 02:45:26 PM
If you guys figure it out, maybe you can share that wealth of knowledge with our retarded govt.In fairness, it sounds like Manitoba does a shitty job of administering it. My experience of the Ontario system, personally and via family members, has been mostly excellent. People are seen and treated based upon severity and urgency, which is exactly how it's supposed to work.
Although I'm still pissed that they invoiced me $45 for an ambulance ride to hospital because the cop said I couldn't drive with my dislocated finger.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 02:47:11 PM
In fairness, it sounds like Manitoba does a shitty job of administering it. My experience of the Ontario system, personally and via family members, has been mostly excellent. People are seen and treated based upon severity and urgency, which is exactly how it's supposed to work.It's too cold there to administer health care.
Although I'm still pissed that they invoiced me $45 for an ambulance ride to hospital because the cop said I couldn't drive with my dislocated finger.
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2020, 02:48:20 PM
In fairness, it sounds like Manitoba does a shitty job of administering it. My experience of the Ontario system, personally and via family members, has been mostly excellent. People are seen and treated based upon severity and urgency, which is exactly how it's supposed to work.
Although I'm still pissed that they invoiced me $45 for an ambulance ride to hospital because the cop said I couldn't drive with my dislocated finger.
well lah-tee-dah for you
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2020, 02:49:08 PM
It's too cold there to administer health care.
JE's version of health care involves a bottle of whiskey, a tall glass, and a prayer.
Post by: Johnny English on February 19, 2020, 02:52:26 PM
JE's version of health care involves a bottle of whiskey, a tall glass, and a prayer.Hey, I share your outrage at having to pay out of pocket for certain essential supplies. That's bullshit in a properly organised and administered public healthcare system. It doesn't mean that the system is wrong though, it means it's not being operated correctly.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 02:52:44 PM
JE's version of health care involves a bottle of whiskey, a tall glass, and a prayer.I figured health care in Manitoba was sending you a coat and some Moonshine via Amazon Prime.
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2020, 02:54:40 PM
Hey, I share your outrage at having to pay out of pocket for certain essential supplies. That's bullshit in a properly organised and administered public healthcare system. It doesn't mean that the system is wrong though, it means it's not being operated correctly.
I never said it was wrong...i said it wasn't implemented correctly. Hence my original ask to Puck's govt to show our retarded govt how it's done.
I figured health care in Manitoba was sending you a coat and some Moonshine via Amazon Prime.
moonshine is our biggest export
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 02:56:31 PM
I never said it was wrong...i said it wasn't implemented correctly. Hence my original ask to Puck's govt to show our retarded govt how it's done.
I can't wait to live in a Puckocracy.
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2020, 02:58:25 PM
I can't wait to live in a Puckocracy.
better take out a 2nd mortgage...to cover the appetizers
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 19, 2020, 03:01:55 PM
I'll make it simple so you might get it.
Millions of people are suffering and millions of other people give a excrement.
The rest of the field either wants to nibble around the edges of it and the opposition thinks those people deserve to suffer.
No we don't.
Without commenting politically on this, it's hilarious that you didn't put yourself in the "millions of other people give a excrement" camp.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 19, 2020, 03:04:58 PM
Without commenting politically on this, it's hilarious that you didn't put yourself in the "millions of other people give a excrement" camp.
"The opposition thinks those people deserve to suffer"
The opposition of course being Trump and his supporters.
I get that we have to strawman and otherize the opposition so we feel like good little freedom fighters, but there's no basis in reality to any of it.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2020, 05:14:37 PM
Here's a serious post whether you guys like my opinion or not.
My situation:
I took several steps back in my life. I had an ex-wife who was very sick, I was her caretaker for over a dozen years more than anything. When I asked her family for help (not monetary, just nursing and actual care help) they stole excrement and made my life hell so I moved out, while still paying for everything. 2 years later, I sold the house, gave my ex a small fortune to be done with everything, all several years prior to leaving Florida. I came back to NY for a new life, thought I had a great gal and it turned out after my money went, mentally so did she. This is all no big deal excrement happens in life.
Today, I am working 2 jobs, taking 18 credits in college to get an accounting degree and sleep in the odd spare time when I get it. I did this because I had to reinvent myself basically the mountain isn't coming to me. For the first time since my early 20's, I owe people money and can't really spend anything on leisure. I had/have to work my derriere off more than any other time in my life. I literally do not have any free time. However, I have never felt more accomplished and happier, plus I now have a great girlfriend.
So what does this mean to the political discussion here.
I am tired of the same old promise everything to everyone candidates. This is America where anything is still possible and where you should not have your hand out expecting something in return for nothing. Go out reinvent yourself, go to school, don't go to school, start your own business or don't, work for someone or don't etc. etc.
You Bernie people say Bloomberg is a scumbag. You know what, this may come off as condescending and I don't care. I know more about Bloomberg than most and I don't give a freak about that opinion. My best friend was an upper level executive at Bloomberg and discussed with me ad-nauseum the culture there. He had daily meetings with MB, his co-founder (who he called the angriest billionaire on the planet but got along great with him) and or the CEO of the business (Dan Doctoroff a complete and utter scumbag).
They weren't nice guys, in fact they ran quite the tight ship, Bloomberg the company isn't a happy go lucky place. They pay extremely well but with that comes an immense price not limited to your soul. The internal rules and regulations were onerous or draconian if you will. The employment there was a barbell, meaning there were a lot of people that worked there forever and many people that worked there for a short time, but not many in the middle. Which is usually telling of an environment that is very tough to get along in. Take all of that how it's intended, to give you a background.
I know Bloomberg will govern the country better than Trump and god forbid Bernie or even worse Warren. Every single one of which is a slimy scumbag, no different than Bloomberg.
As much as I detest Trump and the sycophants that follow the Republican party, especially the vocal 2% that espouse the vomit inducing opinions of "conservative" America and or the god squad, I am 100% voting for 4 more years if Bernie or Warren are the nominees.
I don't want Nazi era judges and god squad in power but I will take that any day of the week rather than see America be a socialist country. I know Congress probably won't let that happen but I don't want to take the chance. I would rather a small infinitesimal chance that government can shrink versus making tax rates expand. If anyone thinks that over-taxing will cure what ails this country, they're 100% nuts.
There are lots of things I want to see that wouldn't happen from either side, I would love to see an emphasis on growing small business, cleaner fuels, fixing the infrastructure, fixing the power grid, modernizing the country etc. etc. All of which is very doable if it's done right. What I don't want, is what happened to Amazon last year where business and commerce is destroyed by pure abject ignorance.
Want to help the little guy? Help small business's and the country's infrastructure, not bail reform and not more handouts. It's just not going to happen with all of the polarized agenda's out there.
Yes, if you want handouts, go freak yourself. Go get a job or two or 3. Go back to school, get vocational training. It's all possible if you have an ounce of initiative. I am tired, sick and tired, of hands being out or expecting something for nothing. I have borrowed and owe money for the first time in a long derriere time and it sucks. That said even though I am ancient, I will have decent prospects once I graduate.
The one and only deviation to my opinion is free/affordable healthcare. I do think that should be available to everyone. Once again that's if you can find a system that can work. I am not sure it's possible with the assholes we have in office.
Sorry to hear all this as sometimes excrement just sucks. But glad you have a plan and things are going well
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2020, 05:27:42 PM
I understand free Healthcare isn't without warts, quite the contrary. However, in this day and age something can be done to help. There's a lot of smart people that shouldbe able to figure a way to make it all work. Maybe, I am wrong, who knows at least try
I know the thought of this is so reprehensible and disgusting that most people can't wrap their mind around it. But I think tighter restrictions on Healthcare for lost causes is by far the most difficult obstacle to overcome. Simply because candidates would be terrified of supporting something that appears to kill off the frail.
But the reality is healthcare is so poorly managed. Crazy people are so desperate to keep people alive they don't care about at what cost or quality of life. A 94 year old who is essentially a meat suit with a pulse, yes let's spend 30 million to keep them artificially alive for a few more weeks to make someone else feel better.
I think universal Healthcare could work and be a good thing, if it was done half competently. And to me the two biggest obstacles are lost causes and people who don't care about their health.
While far from a perfect solution, I think the government should add a coinsurance cocharge (this would be during the implementation of universal Healthcare) to lost causes and people who grotesquely don't care for themselves. This way if someone wants to keep a corpse alive for a few years, they can pay a few hundred thousand out of pocket to help feel the burden it puts on society. And the same thing for people who are either extremely obese, poorly controlled diabetics, drug abusers, smokers and alcoholics.
Sure some will interpret this as death squads, but the reality is healthcare isn't unlimited and is stupid freaking expensive. So people need to be sensible. Even with a universal system
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 19, 2020, 05:42:20 PM
"The opposition thinks those people deserve to suffer"
The opposition of course being Trump and his supporters.
I get that we have to strawman and otherize the opposition so we feel like good little freedom fighters, but there's no basis in reality to any of it.
FTR, I don't care about it in any way except it was funny that you didn't put yourself in the group of people who give a excrement about others' suffering.
Post by: Jumbo on February 19, 2020, 06:49:56 PM
You're right about the first part, but losing Florida isn't a death knell. Doesn't help, but not the end of the world.
There are several other states that were really close losses last time that could flip and more than make up for it. Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn., North Carolina.....
The only two candidates to win the election without Florida in the last 100 years are Clinton '92 and Kennedy '60, and I seriously doubt Bernie is on their levels as a candidate
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2020, 06:51:44 PM
The only two candidates to win the election without Florida in the last 100 years are Clinton '92 and Kennedy '60, and I seriously doubt Bernie is on their levels as a candidate
But Bernie cares about those suffering more than they did
Post by: Miamipuck on February 19, 2020, 07:32:46 PM
Sorry to hear all this as sometimes excrement just sucks. But glad you have a plan and things are going well
Thank you but things are going really well for me, I wish I did this 20 years ago. I have a few professors that are pushing me to go to an upper tier business school for my Masters so that's pretty crazy to me. Lol I am a fairly well respected student. I think I may be too old for that, but I will graduate in December.
Anyway, I just wanted to lay out my life and explain why my stance is what it is.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 19, 2020, 07:36:26 PM
Thank you but things are going really well for me, I wish I did this 20 years ago. I have a few professors that are pushing me to go to an upper tier business school for my Masters so that's pretty crazy to me. Lol I am a fairly well respected student. I think I may be too old to get into that first tier of business schools. So I am not sure.
Only thing I'll say about an MBA is make sure it'll financially be worthwhile
Now a days everyone and their mother has an advanced degree. So if you're going to spend that kinda cash, there's gotta be a fairly clear path to a return on the investment. Both the time and money
And id imagine being older the window for that return could be a bit smaller
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 07:50:51 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 09:08:45 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 19, 2020, 10:41:52 PM
Warren's earlobes are almost as freaky as Biden's teeth.
Very distinct physical trait many Cherokee have
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 11:00:50 PM
Very distinct physical trait many Cherokee have
https://twitter.com/RaysFanGio/status/612060986091159552?s=09
Post by: Badger on February 20, 2020, 03:32:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ooA7ep3.jpg)
Post by: insanity on February 20, 2020, 03:57:24 PM
Thank you but things are going really well for me, I wish I did this 20 years ago. I have a few professors that are pushing me to go to an upper tier business school for my Masters so that's pretty crazy to me. Lol I am a fairly well respected student. I think I may be too old for that, but I will graduate in December.
Anyway, I just wanted to lay out my life and explain why my stance is what it is.
Congrats on pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Not an easy thing to do, especially when you're older.
I'm a big bernie supporter strictly from a morality standpoint, but I'm starting to disagree with more and more of his ways of getting things done.
Case in point free public college. Given the amount allocated to pell Grant's it seems like their should be enough money to help people go to college with little debt, but people keep making bad decisions
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 20, 2020, 04:05:28 PM
Post by: insanity on February 20, 2020, 04:11:35 PM
Fix what colleges are allowed to charge for tuition first and then we can talk about free collegeThe problem is price, but it's quite unamerican to provide price ceilings for an industry
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 20, 2020, 04:15:49 PM
The problem is price, but it's quite unamerican to provide price ceilings for an industry
Which is why I won’t volunteer to pay for something with a limitless price ceiling with my tax dollars. Same thing goes for healthcare. Fix what hospitals, doctors, and pharma companies charge first
Post by: dcm1602 on February 20, 2020, 04:55:16 PM
Which is why I won’t volunteer to pay for something with a limitless price ceiling with my tax dollars. Same thing goes for healthcare. Fix what hospitals, doctors, and pharma companies charge first
Yes comrade, hopefully they can fix the price of food, shelter, and clothing as well. It would also help if they limited how much teachers and construction workers can make. Helping us drive down the costs of new homes and education
Then they we can all be well nourished by the governments teet
Post by: delavan on February 21, 2020, 01:06:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSRwzP23ifI
Post by: mj2sexay on February 21, 2020, 02:27:55 PM
Watching that debate was like watching the Star Wars bar scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSRwzP23ifI
Based and redpilled!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 21, 2020, 05:01:31 PM
Quote
BREAKING: Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign - WaPo
lol
Post by: bojanglesman on February 21, 2020, 05:26:28 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 21, 2020, 08:23:17 PM
Bernie's a cold war communist
Post by: Badger on February 21, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
https://twitter.com/sadydoyle/status/1230915142768103427?s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on February 21, 2020, 09:48:21 PM
Vote for Bernie to own people like this
https://twitter.com/sadydoyle/status/1230915142768103427?s=19
Bernie Bros would probably be insulting and making fun of her if she was raped too
Post by: reuben on February 22, 2020, 01:49:43 AM
Vote for Bernie to own people like this
https://twitter.com/sadydoyle/status/1230915142768103427?s=19
Overcooked pot roast is vile and deserves to be smashed.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 22, 2020, 07:56:18 AM
Post by: Badger on February 22, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1231005642413858816?s=19
Remember these are the same people who think AOC is dumb.
Post by: Jumbo on February 22, 2020, 02:05:23 PM
If you can't identify everything wrong with this you should not vote:
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1231005642413858816?s=19
Remember these are the same people who think AOC is dumb.
por que no los dos
Post by: bojanglesman on February 22, 2020, 02:28:06 PM
Bernie wants to kill all old people with death panels
Bernie is old
President AOC
Communism sucks
Free guns
NASCAR n huntin' 2020. Wooooo!!!
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Post by: Miamipuck on February 22, 2020, 03:20:49 PM
If you can't identify everything wrong with this you should not vote:She's a freaking retard.... I guess I shouldn't vote.
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1231005642413858816?s=19
Remember these are the same people who think AOC is dumb.
Post by: Badger on February 22, 2020, 04:16:01 PM
She's a freaking retard.... I guess I shouldn't vote.She's not, you've just aged out of touch. Time to send ole Puck to the glue factory.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 22, 2020, 04:30:18 PM
She's not, you've just aged out of touch. Time to send ole Puck to the glue factory.
Cool I will sit next to all the jobs Amazon would have brought here but didn't because of that ignorant fucktard.
Post by: delavan on February 22, 2020, 05:11:46 PM
Unemployment is low because people are working 60, 70, 80 hours a week and can barely feed their family."
- Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, United States House of Representatives - July 13, 2018, PBS "Firing Line"
Post by: Miamipuck on February 22, 2020, 05:15:07 PM
"Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs.
Unemployment is low because people are working 60, 70, 80 hours a week and can barely feed their family."
- Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, United States House of Representatives - July 13, 2018, PBS "Firing Line"
freaking Genius I tell you
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 23, 2020, 10:21:33 AM
2 Kings
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2020, 04:52:39 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/tonybeast1957/status/1230934496926670848
2 Kings
Omg Bloomberg went on TV and ate two hotdogs?
Post by: Pope on February 23, 2020, 07:19:58 PM
Post by: Jumbo on February 24, 2020, 07:57:33 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 25, 2020, 12:13:18 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 25, 2020, 11:55:22 AM
What the freak is this lol
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2020, 11:59:06 AM
https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1232128274823892992?s=21
What the freak is this lol
$10 says that it's "Rand Paul was rude to me".
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 25, 2020, 12:49:18 PM
Post by: reuben on February 25, 2020, 01:15:24 PM
“ Sen. Bernie Sanders: "China is an authoritarian country, becoming more and more authoritarian. But can anyone deny -- I mean the facts are clear, that they have taken more people out of extreme poverty than any country in history... That is the fact. End of discussion."
Facts. China has taken out many of their own people.
Post by: delavan on February 25, 2020, 03:49:14 PM
China has taken out many of their own people.Chinese take out : )
Post by: mj2sexay on February 25, 2020, 04:00:33 PM
Facts. China has taken out many of their own people.
I don't know why, everyone knows when you go for chinese takeout you just get hungry an hour after eating anyway.
Post by: Jumbo on February 25, 2020, 04:42:15 PM
“ Sen. Bernie Sanders: "China is an authoritarian country, becoming more and more authoritarian. But can anyone deny -- I mean the facts are clear, that they have taken more people out of extreme poverty than any country in history... That is the fact. End of discussion."
Sen. Bernie Sanders, 1939: "Italy is an authoritarian country, becoming more and more authoritarian. But can anyone deny -- I mean the facts are clear, that they have made the trains run on time more than any country in history... That is the fact. End of discussion."
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2020, 05:12:27 PM
I don't know why, everyone knows when you go for chinese takeout you just get hungry an hour after eating anyway.Speak for yourself. I want to pass out afterwards.
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2020, 05:35:34 PM
Post by: Badger on February 25, 2020, 06:42:06 PM
Post by: Badger on February 25, 2020, 06:43:36 PM
Cool I will sit next to all the jobs Amazon would have brought here but didn't because of that ignorant fucktard.The fact you attribute the Amazon debacle to her is absolute proof you've been duped. Sorry you had to find out on a football message board.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2020, 06:49:10 PM
Post by: Badger on February 25, 2020, 06:50:55 PM
This debate is going to be really tough to masturbate to.This the the basis of all of Tulsi's support
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2020, 06:52:46 PM
This the the basis of all of Tulsi's supportWell, I was thinking Tom Steyer, but different strokes....
Post by: Jumbo on February 25, 2020, 08:02:27 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 25, 2020, 08:07:59 PM
-Mike Bloomberg
It took a while, but finally something I agree with!
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2020, 09:19:18 PM
"We live in a country where too many people are obese"
-Mike Bloomberg
It took a while, but finally something I agree with!
This is some of that bipartisan excrement we need, but I fear we're not far off the "them others are trying to oppress you for being fat" argument.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 25, 2020, 09:34:13 PM
The fact you attribute the Amazon debacle to her is absolute proof you've been duped. Sorry you had to find out on a football message board.
Yeah I know she played no part, her and her ignorant supporters. Cool story bro.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 25, 2020, 09:58:31 PM
This is some of that bipartisan excrement we need, but I fear we're not far off the "them others are trying to oppress you for being fat" argument.
We're already there.
https://twitter.com/exavierpope/status/1215003906872356867
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2020, 10:06:15 PM
We're already there.
https://twitter.com/exavierpope/status/1215003906872356867
I think it's OK to be fat. Some of my best friends are quite fat. I'm a bit fat. freak, I've met you and you're not exactly a greased up racing snake. I don't think it's right that someone should be abused or disregarded for not being built like Dwayne Johnson, but can we at least accept that if you're over 300lbs and not an offensive lineman in the NFL there's a problem?
Post by: mj2sexay on February 25, 2020, 10:24:27 PM
I think it's OK to be fat. Some of my best friends are quite fat. I'm a bit fat. freak, I've met you and you're not exactly a greased up racing snake. I don't think it's right that someone should be abused or disregarded for not being built like Dwayne Johnson, but can we at least accept that if you're over 300lbs and not an offensive lineman in the NFL there's a problem?
Oh, I'm fatter than freak to the point that I'm going back on nutrisystems next month before the summer and any hope of taking my shirt off at a beach becomes completely unsalvageable.
I'm also not hysterically shrieking in peoples faces for saying Lizzo has a body type that shouldn't be celebrated. I'd excrement on Bloomberg for going the opposite route and trying to legislate people into making better health choices, but in fairness to him he did say what he did in the city wasn't something he'd want to expand to the entire country.
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2020, 10:34:52 PM
Oh, I'm fatter than freak to the point that I'm going back on nutrisystems next month before the summer and any hope of taking my shirt off at a beach becomes completely unsalvageable.
I'm also not hysterically shrieking in peoples faces for saying Lizzo has a body type that shouldn't be celebrated. I'd excrement on Bloomberg for going the opposite route and trying to legislate people into making better health choices, but in fairness to him he did say what he did in the city wasn't something he'd want to expand to the entire country.
I think it's not OK to legislate that people should look or be a certain way. I think it is OK to legislate that if you're on a mission to be a fat unhealthy freak who's going to be our problem when you're 350lbs of walking heart attack we're going to levy a tax on you doing so. I don't care if people think that's mildly fascist, because they're wrong and stupid.
Post by: Pope on February 25, 2020, 10:38:47 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 25, 2020, 10:45:59 PM
I think it's OK to be fat. Some of my best friends are quite fat. I'm a bit fat. freak, I've met you and you're not exactly a greased up racing snake. I don't think it's right that someone should be abused or disregarded for not being built like Dwayne Johnson, but can we at least accept that if you're over 300lbs and not an offensive lineman in the NFL there's a problem?
I think it's interesting a lot of the biggest supporters of universal health care are the most accepting of obesity.
Don't get me wrong I think universal Healthcare is inevitable and could be a good thing. But people have no idea how obesity, smoking, drinking, and keeping people alive that should be dead. Almost certainly make up a much greater cost than all of the other healthcare costs combined and probably multiplied several times over.
Give me a universal Healthcare solution that puts a decent degree of responsibility on the individual for maintaining their own health. And I'll go out and march in support with a vagina hat on the next freaking day.
Give me a bill that says it's okay to be a sloppy fat freak with poorly controlled diabetes and a drinking and smoking problem that demands to be kept alive at all costs. And I'll gladly go tell you to go freak yourself
Post by: dcm1602 on February 25, 2020, 10:50:55 PM
This is probably politically off topic but I’ve noticed a big trend in healthier eating that seems to be taking place among the public. Not to say that Americans are healthy by default but for sure a step in the right direction.
Eh it's give and take.
I think people are now aware that certain foods are bad (notably sugar, soda, and carbohydrates. IE that the old food pyramid was fucked)
But I also notice the percentage of people who don't cook their own food has gone way way up. And processed garbage and takeout/eat out food almost always means more calories and bad excrement for you (because better tasting food means more successful business)
I don't think people are eating healthier thoguh. I think people who eat healthier have just been more marketable about it and everyone pretends they eat healthy. Now anytime someone's on a diet they're taking pictures of their bullshit and posting it on Instagram or snapchat to show off how healthy they are.
But the reality is obesity and obesity related diseases are only increasing. And finding new all time highs all the time. So I'm highly doubtful people are actually eating better
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 25, 2020, 10:57:29 PM
Post by: Pope on February 25, 2020, 11:00:32 PM
Eh it's give and take.You do have a point. Without getting long winded about it especially in this thread, I’ve noticed that manufacturers of snack foods and such have pushed for Organic or No Trans Fat etc labeling tricking consumers into thinking what they’re eating is guilt free when in reality calories in - calories out has always trumped all. Macros and all that notwithstanding.
I think people are now aware that certain foods are bad (notably sugar, soda, and carbohydrates. IE that the old food pyramid was fucked)
But I also notice the percentage of people who don't cook their own food has gone way way up. And processed garbage and takeout/eat out food almost always means more calories and bad excrement for you (because better tasting food means more successful business)
I don't think people are eating healthier thoguh. I think people who eat healthier have just been more marketable about it and everyone pretends they eat healthy. Now anytime someone's on a diet they're taking pictures of their bullshit and posting it on Instagram or snapchat to show off how healthy they are.
But the reality is obesity and obesity related diseases are only increasing. And finding new all time highs all the time. So I'm highly doubtful people are actually eating better
That being said, to bring this full circle... Bloomberg will beat Trump in November.
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2020, 11:08:43 PM
I think it's interesting a lot of the biggest supporters of universal health care are the most accepting of obesity.
Don't get me wrong I think universal Healthcare is inevitable and could be a good thing. But people have no idea how obesity, smoking, drinking, and keeping people alive that should be dead. Almost certainly make up a much greater cost than all of the other healthcare costs combined and probably multiplied several times over.
Give me a universal Healthcare solution that puts a decent degree of responsibility on the individual for maintaining their own health. And I'll go out and march in support with a vagina hat on the next freaking day.
Give me a bill that says it's okay to be a sloppy fat freak with poorly controlled diabetes and a drinking and smoking problem that demands to be kept alive at all costs. And I'll gladly go tell you to go freak yourself
That's easy. Tax tobacco, alcohol, soda, candy and fast food, and push that revenue straight into the public health system. I like at least a couple of those things, but I recognise that if I'm going to keep pumping any of that excrement into my system it's likely to have an exponential burden on the health system.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 26, 2020, 12:37:55 AM
Lizzo. Prone. Bone.
she will NOT get prone boned.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 26, 2020, 12:44:57 AM
I think it's interesting a lot of the biggest supporters of universal health care are the most accepting of obesity.
where is this connection coming from?
Post by: guinness77 on February 26, 2020, 12:52:25 AM
she will NOT get prone boned.Hahahahaha
Post by: dcm1602 on February 26, 2020, 01:22:48 AM
That's easy. Tax tobacco, alcohol, soda, candy and fast food, and push that revenue straight into the public health system. I like at least a couple of those things, but I recognise that if I'm going to keep pumping any of that excrement into my system it's likely to have an exponential burden on the health system.
I love that idea. However you have to realize the problem with that. People on the right will hate it because it's big government limiting your personal freedom blah blah blah. People on the left will hate it because it disproportionately hinders the poor.
Wasn't Bloomberg the dude famous for being one of the pioneers of taxing soft drinks? Or was that post Bloomberg
Post by: dcm1602 on February 28, 2020, 02:08:55 AM
Bernie wants to ruin the nfl
Post by: Heismanberg on February 28, 2020, 06:02:12 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/brobible.com/sports/article/nfl-owners-bernie-sanders-democratic-nomination/amp/
Bernie wants to ruin the nfl
If you get the opportunity, you should kill yourself.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 28, 2020, 06:04:00 AM
If you get the opportunity, you should kill yourself.
If I get cremated will you hold my ashes for me?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2020, 06:08:07 AM
If I get cremated will you hold my ashes for me?We'll get them compresses into a dildo for Puck. You will eternally live in his rectum. RIP(uck's poopchute)
Post by: Heismanberg on February 28, 2020, 06:10:32 AM
If I get cremated will you hold my ashes for me?
Gladly
Post by: dcm1602 on February 28, 2020, 06:14:49 AM
Gladly
The internets right
Bernie Bros are mean people
Post by: Heismanberg on February 28, 2020, 06:25:09 AM
You’re just too freaking stupid sometimes
Post by: Badger on February 28, 2020, 09:54:37 PM
Yeah I know she played no part, her and her ignorant supporters. Cool story bro.Please explain what power she or her supporters had over a deal between the city, the state, and Amazon
Post by: Badger on February 28, 2020, 10:04:13 PM
where is this connection coming from?Between dcm's two brain cells
Post by: Badger on February 28, 2020, 10:06:39 PM
https://twitter.com/GlobeOpinion/status/1233565103737446400?s=19
"Bernie is bad for trying to win in the home states of his opponents"
Post by: Miamipuck on February 29, 2020, 02:35:43 AM
Please explain what power she or her supporters had over a deal between the city, the state, and Amazon
Right when you fully explain the opposite, I might consider wasting my time. What I suggest is, take your love for socialists and socialism and crumple it into a nice tight little ball and shove it in the old pooper as far as it will go.
If you think this constitutes an MB stance where I am not well versed but just being a pain in the derriere, think again. I don't have the time nor inclination to get involved in disingenuous arguments here.
If a socialist is the Democratic pick, I will vote Trump all day long and six ways to Sunday and truly I despise the orange dickhead.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 29, 2020, 05:28:06 AM
Lmaoo why Tom Steyer on stage turnt with Juvenile to Back Dat Azz Up remind me of the movie Bulworth? wth
https://t.co/0XYcGjQlFz
Post by: Badger on February 29, 2020, 08:28:17 AM
Post by: Badger on February 29, 2020, 08:29:21 AM
Right when you fully explain the opposite, I might consider wasting my time. What I suggest is, take your love for socialists and socialism and crumple it into a nice tight little ball and shove it in the old pooper as far as it will go.Oh no they might only win NY by 2,999,999 votes without you
If you think this constitutes an MB stance where I am not well versed but just being a pain in the derriere, think again. I don't have the time nor inclination to get involved in disingenuous arguments here.
If a socialist is the Democratic pick, I will vote Trump all day long and six ways to Sunday and truly I despise the orange dickhead.
Post by: MBGreen on February 29, 2020, 08:33:34 AM
Right when you fully explain the opposite, I might consider wasting my time. What I suggest is, take your love for socialists and socialism and crumple it into a nice tight little ball and shove it in the old pooper as far as it will go.I hope socialism wins because freak you
If you think this constitutes an MB stance where I am not well versed but just being a pain in the derriere, think again. I don't have the time nor inclination to get involved in disingenuous arguments here.
If a socialist is the Democratic pick, I will vote Trump all day long and six ways to Sunday and truly I despise the orange dickhead.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 29, 2020, 08:37:56 AM
Post by: Badger on February 29, 2020, 07:07:51 PM
welp, on to Tuesday
Post by: Johnny English on February 29, 2020, 08:03:41 PM
If a socialist is the Democratic pick, I will vote Trump all day long and six ways to Sunday and truly I despise the orange dickhead.
Given there are no socialists running for the Democratic nomination, you can rest pretty safe here. And before you start trying to tell me why Sanders or Warren are socialists, I advise you not to. Save me the effort of telling why you're wrong.
Post by: Jumbo on February 29, 2020, 10:40:53 PM
Given there are no socialists running for the Democratic nomination, you can rest pretty safe here. And before you start trying to tell me why Sanders or Warren are socialists, I advise you not to. Save me the effort of telling why you're wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
Quote
While having socialism as a long-term goal,
Democratic socialism is a political philosophy supporting political democracy within a socially owned economy, with a particular emphasis on workers' self-management and democratic control of economic institutions within a market socialist economy or some form of a decentralised planned socialist economy. Democratic socialists argue that capitalism is inherently incompatible with the values of freedom, equality and solidarity and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realisation of a socialist society.
Wow this sure doesn't sound in any way similar to socialism at all, but it's not 100% the exact same so aw shucks
Post by: Miamipuck on February 29, 2020, 10:48:02 PM
Given there are no socialists running for the Democratic nomination, you can rest pretty safe here. And before you start trying to tell me why Sanders or Warren are socialists, I advise you not to. Save me the effort of telling why you're wrong.
Cool story bro
Post by: Miamipuck on February 29, 2020, 10:49:08 PM
Oh no they might only win NY by 2,999,999 votes without you
So
Post by: Badger on February 29, 2020, 10:50:21 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialismIt sounds awesome, thanks Jumbo
Wow this sure doesn't sound in any way similar to socialism at all, but it's not 100% the exact same so aw shucks
Post by: Jumbo on February 29, 2020, 11:09:15 PM
It sounds awesome, thanks Jumbo
At least you're honest about it
Post by: insanity on March 01, 2020, 06:39:16 AM
I actually lean Republican in my financial views, and I think the states can handle things quicker and better than the federal government. With that said, I think today's landscape calls for a drastic overhaul of the way corporations are managed and the way prosperity is distributed, and i think Bernie has the most radical ideas to accomplish this.
I'm not arguing my position is right, and I have no interest in having that discussion, I just dont understand why people can't comprehend swithcing between dems and Republicans based on the state of the country.
As much as fox news wants you to think it, the US will not turn into a socialist state under 4 years of Bernies control. We have, or atleast we are supposed to, have checks and balances to stop that from happening.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2020, 06:49:51 AM
One thing I will never understand is why people think the whole country will change in 4 or even 8 years.Well said.
I actually lean Republican in my financial views, and I think the states can handle things quicker and better than the federal government. With that said, I think today's landscape calls for a drastic overhaul of the way corporations are managed and the way prosperity is distributed, and i think Bernie has the most radical ideas to accomplish this.
I'm not arguing my position is right, and I have no interest in having that discussion, I just dont understand why people can't comprehend swithcing between dems and Republicans based on the state of the country.
As much as fox news wants you to think it, the US will not turn into a socialist state under 4 years of Bernies control. We have, or atleast we are supposed to, have checks and balances to stop that from happening.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2020, 07:07:43 AM
Not saying anyone shouldn’t vote for him for that reason, but it’s a relevant question.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2020, 07:10:02 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2020, 07:32:09 AM
One thing I will never understand is why people think the whole country will change in 4 or even 8 years.
I actually lean Republican in my financial views, and I think the states can handle things quicker and better than the federal government. With that said, I think today's landscape calls for a drastic overhaul of the way corporations are managed and the way prosperity is distributed, and i think Bernie has the most radical ideas to accomplish this.
I'm not arguing my position is right, and I have no interest in having that discussion, I just dont understand why people can't comprehend swithcing between dems and Republicans based on the state of the country.
As much as fox news wants you to think it, the US will not turn into a socialist state under 4 years of Bernies control. We have, or atleast we are supposed to, have checks and balances to stop that from happening.
People dramatically overvalue what the president does. Honestly it's probably more of a PR job than anything.
That said the biggest issue with Bernie is his support. He is radical enough that he will draw 100% opposition from Republicans (though to be fair everything is so partisan these days). But more importantly he's out of his touch with his party. He can preach about socialism being good the rich being bad and all that bullshit, and maybe it gets him elected. But for (some) people in his party supporting anything like that is a death sentence for their careers. Yeah socialism is cool might fly in California and NY, but in moderate states that can absolutely be the difference between someone winning or losing a race in congress or the senate.
I think the only major issues Bernie can probably accomplish anything on is global warming, and possibly healthcare. But considering the recency of Obamacare I think it's way too soon for anyone to accomplish a significant healthcare overhaul. There's jsut too much material for opposition to use. And this is assuming he goes after that first, and doesn't kill his own party in the midterms with more radical suggestions.
Yes Bernie is by far the most radical left candidate with a feasible chance of winning. But I think a more moderate democrat would be far more likely of actually accomplishing moving America to the left and enacting change and policies.
And a huge glaring example of this is what happened to Bernie in SC. With the average voter being older than earlier primaries, Bernie's views might not fly with a lot of America.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2020, 07:33:48 AM
How much would Bernie realistically accomplish as a President? I feel like Obama didn’t really get much done and he was obviously much more towards the center.
Not saying anyone shouldn’t vote for him for that reason, but it’s a relevant question.
Obama really did a lot on environmental reform and increasing big business oversight. I guess he took a swipe at Healthcare as well. Of course Trumps main accomplishment has really jsut been focusing on undoing all of that
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2020, 08:20:27 AM
People dramatically overvalue what the president does. Honestly it's probably more of a PR job than anything.
Trump has proven to me that the president has way more power than I ever thought.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2020, 08:27:10 AM
Trump has proven to me that the president has way more power than I ever thought.
How?
Has he really done that much?
Most of Trumps power is jsut him screaming and making all kinds of noise
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2020, 09:07:12 AM
How?This is the moment when you should realize you're insulated from a lot.
Has he really done that much?
Most of Trumps power is jsut him screaming and making all kinds of noise
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2020, 09:12:32 AM
How?Yes he has.
Has he really done that much?
Most of Trumps power is jsut him screaming and making all kinds of noise
It isn't all what he can do 100% by himself, but what he can initiate and wiggle through the system.
Look at the Supreme Court. All the judicial nominees/appointments.
A big part of the power of executive action is the ability to undo the executive actions of previous presidents. DACA, withdrawing from Iran deal, reversing protection of various protected lands, reversal of environmental regulations, civil rights regulations......
I'm not telling you whether it's good or bad, that's up to you. But the president has enormous power. I used to think the president couldn't do much of anything without Congressional approval. I was very wrong.
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2020, 09:14:45 AM
At least you're honest about itI know it sounds like splitting hairs to the kind of people who go into hysterics when they hear the word socialism, but he's not even a demsoc, he's a social democrat.
Even if every single policy he proposed became a reality during his presidency, we'd still be a capitalist country, but with a significantly more robust welfare state. Being honest about opposing that involves admitting one just doesn't want other people to have that.
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2020, 09:17:33 AM
How much would Bernie realistically accomplish as a President? I feel like Obama didn’t really get much done and he was obviously much more towards the center.A whole lot if they have congress, and still a lot purely through EO.
Not saying anyone shouldn’t vote for him for that reason, but it’s a relevant question.
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2020, 09:19:36 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
Wow this sure doesn't sound in any way similar to socialism at all, but it's not 100% the exact same so aw shucks
I can post up a Wikipedia link to what a brain surgeon or an NFL quarterback is, but it doesn't make me any more of one.
If you can show me where Sanders is proposing to start seizing the means of production and nationalising industries then we can start talking about whether or not he's a socialist.
Post by: insanity on March 01, 2020, 09:22:35 AM
I can post up a Wikipedia link to what a brain surgeon or an NFL quarterback is, but it doesn't make me any more of one.
If you can show me where Sanders is proposing to start seizing the means of production and nationalising industries then we can start talking about whether or not he's a socialist.
This.
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2020, 09:24:06 AM
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2020, 09:29:09 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2020, 09:38:04 AM
I don't agree with Bernie's plan to eliminate all student loan debt. I think that the focus should be on ways to expand and create new programs to forgive debt partially or completely based on service or employment in areas of need (public service, underserved areas, etc.). They already exist, but could made easier to achieve, include more areas and shorter in duration. You could improve income-based repayment terms to help. But I think you have obligation to pay a debt you legitimately owe. We should make it easier to do so, not just unfairly kill it all.
I think Bernie is the most genuine of all of the candidates. For some reason that means something to me. You may not agree with him, but he is straightforward. That's a big difference between him and Warren.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2020, 09:41:49 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200301/3d8d28010efe14ed928164eee74df4e2.jpg)Back that campaign up.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200301/9abcd0ab6e7534f899486ebcaf3ad339.gif)
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2020, 09:45:32 AM
To be fair we absolutely want to nationalize health insurance, but that's about it.
Health insurance is not a means of production. Healthcare falls firmly under the banner of infrastructure in any sensibly run society, and while we may use private contractors to deliver some parts of our infrastructure it is madness to think that the delivery and administration of point of care services should be a for profit industry.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2020, 09:53:35 AM
Health insurance is not a means of production. Healthcare falls firmly under the banner of infrastructure in any sensibly run society, and while we may use private contractors to deliver some parts of our infrastructure it is madness to think that the delivery and administration of point of care services should be a for profit industry.That's something that has taken a while for me to understand. Some of it for me is a change of perspective with age and experience. A lot of the resistance to it is fear of change.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 01, 2020, 10:01:09 AM
People dramatically overvalue what the president does. Honestly it's probably more of a PR job than anything.
That said the biggest issue with Bernie is his support. He is radical enough that he will draw 100% opposition from Republicans (though to be fair everything is so partisan these days). But more importantly he's out of his touch with his party. He can preach about socialism being good the rich being bad and all that bullshit, and maybe it gets him elected. But for (some) people in his party supporting anything like that is a death sentence for their careers. Yeah socialism is cool might fly in California and NY, but in moderate states that can absolutely be the difference between someone winning or losing a race in congress or the senate.
I think the only major issues Bernie can probably accomplish anything on is global warming, and possibly healthcare. But considering the recency of Obamacare I think it's way too soon for anyone to accomplish a significant healthcare overhaul. There's jsut too much material for opposition to use. And this is assuming he goes after that first, and doesn't kill his own party in the midterms with more radical suggestions.
Yes Bernie is by far the most radical left candidate with a feasible chance of winning. But I think a more moderate democrat would be far more likely of actually accomplishing moving America to the left and enacting change and policies.
And a huge glaring example of this is what happened to Bernie in SC. With the average voter being older than earlier primaries, Bernie's views might not fly with a lot of America.
there are about a million points of bullshit in this post
the 'moderate democrats' will be like any other politician we've seen in our lives, on either side. they're all in the pockets of their big money groups and their lobbyists and will try to enact laws according to their goals and aims. to summarize, anything that will be done or attempted to be done will be done with the rich in mind, the status quo will remain unchanged.
these moderate democrats will do nothing to bring us 'closer to the left'. all in all things will remain the same
bernie's the only one where we don't run into this problem. he believes what he feels, he says what he feels, and he will not be influenced into thinking or doing otherwise by the rich. even warren has shown she'll be susceptible to being influenced by those sorts of groups after accepting all that superpac money after claiming she'd never do such a thing
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2020, 10:09:05 AM
there are about a million points of bullshit in this postSpot on.
the 'moderate democrats' will be like any other politician we've seen in our lives, on either side. they're all in the pockets of their big money groups and their lobbyists and will try to enact laws according to their goals and aims. to summarize, anything that will be done or attempted to be done will be done with the rich in mind, the status quo will remain unchanged.
these moderate democrats will do nothing to bring us 'closer to the left'. all in all things will remain the same
bernie's the only one where we don't run into this problem. he believes what he feels, he says what he feels, and he will not be influenced into thinking or doing otherwise by the rich. even warren has shown she'll be susceptible to being influenced by those sorts of groups after accepting all that superpac money after claiming she'd never do such a thing
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2020, 10:27:42 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200301/3d8d28010efe14ed928164eee74df4e2.jpg)
Where’s Avenatti
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2020, 10:28:20 AM
Where’s AvenattiJail
Post by: insanity on March 01, 2020, 10:43:12 AM
there are about a million points of bullshit in this post
the 'moderate democrats' will be like any other politician we've seen in our lives, on either side. they're all in the pockets of their big money groups and their lobbyists and will try to enact laws according to their goals and aims. to summarize, anything that will be done or attempted to be done will be done with the rich in mind, the status quo will remain unchanged.
these moderate democrats will do nothing to bring us 'closer to the left'. all in all things will remain the same
bernie's the only one where we don't run into this problem. he believes what he feels, he says what he feels, and he will not be influenced into thinking or doing otherwise by the rich. even warren has shown she'll be susceptible to being influenced by those sorts of groups after accepting all that superpac money after claiming she'd never do such a thing
There are alot of worries with this though. While hes lead a lot of the current changes in the us he hasn't actually been successful proposing bulls or getting people to come across the aisle. That is one thing that does worry me
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2020, 05:33:55 PM
Post by: Jumbo on March 01, 2020, 06:11:38 PM
I can post up a Wikipedia link to what a brain surgeon or an NFL quarterback is, but it doesn't make me any more of one.
If you can show me where Sanders is proposing to start seizing the means of production and nationalising industries then we can start talking about whether or not he's a socialist.
https://theweek.com/speedreads/896948/democratic-socialist-bernie-sanders-far-left-swedens-ruling-social-democrats-official-says
I'm not saying he's a socialist, I'm saying he's a democratic socialist, you know, the word he uses to define himself. It's just that democratic socialism is a very close cousin of socialism.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 01, 2020, 06:40:08 PM
There are alot of worries with this though. While hes lead a lot of the current changes in the us he hasn't actually been successful proposing bulls or getting people to come across the aisle. That is one thing that does worry me
i understand what you're saying but i'm getting tired of hearing the 'but what has he actually gotten done?' argument. he is literally one guy who has had rock solid consistency with regards to his views and proposals his entire career, but he's one guy going up against a political system where the rest of the establishment is literally pushing the agenda of the rich lobbyists that are funding them.
he now happens to be amongst the forerunners during a time where there has been a change with regards to the thinking and desires of others involved in government to the point where he has received a considerable backing. the same can be said with a large portion of the general public.
as others have pointed out (notably bojangles), despite the checks-and-balances system the highest executive seat in government does actually come with its ability to enact changes to a significant degree despite the other arms of government. with all of the above being taken into account, i don't think the 'what has he done in the past?' argument holds any weight when speaking of Bernie as President, and i'd love to see what an untethered candidate like him is able to get done at that level.
with regards to the 'can he bring others over from different parts of the aisle' argument, he already faces a considerable amount of opposition from the establishment within his own party. they are so toxic and fickle that they will do all they can to try to prevent him the democratic nomination, but you fvcking watch. the second he wins the nomination they're going to fvcking change tune and support him/'their party' vs trump. same when he actually beats trump, they'll fvcking love that excrement and act like they weren't the worst fvcking ingrates of all time during the run-up to all of this. we saw the same excrement happen with a lot of the republicans that spoke out at trump before he was the actual nominee/winner, and changed tune to the point that they literally started sucking him off no matter what he did.
Post by: insanity on March 01, 2020, 06:53:06 PM
i understand what you're saying but i'm getting tired of hearing the 'but what has he actually gotten done?' argument. he is literally one guy who has had rock solid consistency with regards to his views and proposals his entire career, but he's one guy going up against a political system where the rest of the establishment is literally pushing the agenda of the rich lobbyists that are funding them.
he now happens to be amongst the forerunners during a time where there has been a change with regards to the thinking and desires of others involved in government to the point where he has received a considerable backing. the same can be said with a large portion of the general public.
as others have pointed out (notably bojangles), despite the checks-and-balances system the highest executive seat in government does actually come with its ability to enact changes to a significant degree despite the other arms of government. with all of the above being taken into account, i don't think the 'what has he done in the past?' argument holds any weight when speaking of Bernie as President, and i'd love to see what an untethered candidate like him is able to get done at that level.
with regards to the 'can he bring others over from different parts of the aisle' argument, he already faces a considerable amount of opposition from the establishment within his own party. they are so toxic and fickle that they will do all they can to try to prevent him the democratic nomination, but you fvcking watch. the second he wins the nomination they're going to fvcking change tune and support him/'their party' vs trump. same when he actually beats trump, they'll fvcking love that excrement and act like they weren't the worst fvcking ingrates of all time during the run-up to all of this. we saw the same excrement happen with a lot of the republicans that spoke out at trump before he was the actual nominee/winner, and changed tune to the point that they literally started sucking him off no matter what he did.
Again I'm pro bernie, and I agree with mostly everything you said, just something I've been contemplating.
If he doesnt win now, in this climate, the scaled will never go back to where they were or better yet where they should be.
Post by: insanity on March 01, 2020, 07:18:04 PM
https://theweek.com/speedreads/896948/democratic-socialist-bernie-sanders-far-left-swedens-ruling-social-democrats-official-says
I'm not saying he's a socialist, I'm saying he's a democratic socialist, you know, the word he uses to define himself. It's just that democratic socialism is a very close cousin of socialism.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohanHassel/status/1230898538046984193
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 01, 2020, 07:30:14 PM
Again I'm pro bernie, and I agree with mostly everything you said, just something I've been contemplating.
If he doesnt win now, in this climate, the scaled will never go back to where they were or better yet where they should be.
a week ago i had confidence bernie would get the nod. a week later i'm convinced that the dem party will connive there way via any avenue possible to make sure he doesn't get the nod
buttigieg just dropped out and is attempting to prevent bernie from being the nominee by trying to embolden support for biden
warren, who has gone on and on about how progressive she is, has no shot in the race but is not stepping down purely to play spoiler to bernie. she doesn't care about winning anymore, she just wants to ensure that bernie doesn't end up with a delegate majority. all this from the fvcking 'unity' candidate. she's fvcking selling out and i'm sure she'd love to be the vp running mate to somebody like biden, fvck her
Post by: Jumbo on March 01, 2020, 07:49:18 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohanHassel/status/1230898538046984193
Meh. At the end of the day it's a semantic thing, Bernie most likely calls himself a democratic socialist either because he is one or because he's acculy a social democrat but that's a weirder sounding term to most people. If you asked him his opinion on socialism generally I don't think it would be particularly negative, and he's definitely been in socialist range for a decent amount of his adult life, so I'm not sure why it's so out of bounds to regard him as such.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2020, 08:24:37 PM
Post by: insanity on March 01, 2020, 09:18:31 PM
I think Warren is still around just to kill Bloomberg.I like the idea of warren staying in the debate just so she can roast Bloomberg on national tv
Post by: dcm1602 on March 01, 2020, 09:20:38 PM
Bloomberg still being in helps Bernie. Siphoning those Biden votes. I think Klobuchar will drop out after Tuesday. I think Warren is still around just to kill Bloomberg.
Unless Bloomberg ends up being a legit top 3 contender, then him and Biden agree to split the ticket. Though I'd see that extremely improbable
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 06:31:37 AM
Owning the libs to own the conservatives
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 07:49:32 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 02, 2020, 07:51:15 AM
Lmaoooo WFAN has a Bloomberg Coronavirus ad... references his experience handling the “swine flu epedemic and West Nile virus”
I mean it's pretty smart to do the day after Coronavirus was confirmed in NYC
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 02, 2020, 10:22:09 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 02, 2020, 10:46:35 AM
I was also alive when several important good bills were passed in Congress. That means I got them passed.
Bo4prez2020
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2020, 11:15:21 AM
There are alot of worries with this though. While hes lead a lot of the current changes in the us he hasn't actually been successful proposing bulls or getting people to come across the aisle. That is one thing that does worry meThose concerns don't evaporate for Biden. Unless you count mass incarceration and wars as bipartisan accomplishments.
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2020, 11:17:04 AM
Meh. At the end of the day it's a semantic thing, Bernie most likely calls himself a democratic socialist either because he is one or because he's acculy a social democrat but that's a weirder sounding term to most people. If you asked him his opinion on socialism generally I don't think it would be particularly negative, and he's definitely been in socialist range for a decent amount of his adult life, so I'm not sure why it's so out of bounds to regard him as such.It's not out of bounds in a good faith discussion, but it should be completely rejected as a smear.
Post by: Johnny English on March 02, 2020, 11:49:44 AM
https://theweek.com/speedreads/896948/democratic-socialist-bernie-sanders-far-left-swedens-ruling-social-democrats-official-says
I'm not saying he's a socialist, I'm saying he's a democratic socialist, you know, the word he uses to define himself. It's just that democratic socialism is a very close cousin of socialism.
Again, I would suggest worrying less about labels and focus on policy positions.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 02, 2020, 12:39:50 PM
Post by: insanity on March 02, 2020, 12:45:57 PM
Lmaoooo WFAN has a Bloomberg Coronavirus ad... references his experience handling the “swine flu epedemic and West Nile virus”As crazy as that is, it's good marketing strategy and it will resonate with the average american.
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2020, 12:53:32 PM
and Klobuchar bites the dust. Will be assaulting an intern with a stapler
FTFY
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 02:29:40 PM
As crazy as that is, it's good marketing strategy and it will resonate with the average american.
The average American is retarded, so I agree on your point above
Post by: insanity on March 02, 2020, 02:40:08 PM
The average American is retarded, so I agree on your point aboveYep. I was trying to be politically correct when I said average american
Post by: delavan on March 02, 2020, 03:33:01 PM
https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1234265156894568449
Post by: bojanglesman on March 02, 2020, 03:44:14 PM
yeah it's obnoxious, but at the same time...Ok that's funny.
https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1234265156894568449
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 05:27:59 PM
The cease-and-desist letter, sent to Sanders Friday by Flavor Flav’s lawyer Matthew Friedman, accused the campaign of using the hypeman’s “unauthorized likeness, image, and trademarked clock” to promote the rally, even though Flavor Flav “has not endorsed any political candidate.”
Post by: bojanglesman on March 02, 2020, 06:23:33 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 02, 2020, 06:52:01 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 07:54:10 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 07:55:22 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 02, 2020, 09:02:58 PM
lmao
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 09:07:43 PM
https://twitter.com/walkerbragman/status/1234181075108233216?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 09:12:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=aPtsok7kqTs&feature=emb_logo
lmao
People that think Democrats or Republicans or whatever have certain values or moral codes have been duped. Politicians are snakes, period.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 09:34:59 PM
The future of the Democratic Party has endorsed Biden
Post by: insanity on March 02, 2020, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=aPtsok7kqTs&feature=emb_logoI'm not a fan of elizabeth warren, but I dont know what's wrong with changing your view on politics over 30 years.
lmao
Not saying I believe Warren's changed or this random woman, but I'm not sure how relevant this should really be
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 07:03:47 AM
I'm not a fan of elizabeth warren, but I dont know what's wrong with changing your view on politics over 30 years.
Context matters.
Changing your views in early life, because of major world events, or because of a personal crisis is one thing.
Changing your views in or past middle age when it became politically expedient to do so is not the same. I've never seen her provide a resonating explanation for her shift. Like Hillary magically coming around on gay marriage at the same time the national opinion polls crossed 50% on it.
Anyway going into the primary Warren was my backup choice but she clearly has no path to the nomination and it's pretty clear what effect her continued campaign will have on the race. All of the centrists are propping up Joe Biden and Liz is over here #persisting her way to between 0 and 1 states won.
Post by: insanity on March 03, 2020, 07:17:27 AM
I agree with your premise, but I dont know why I should believe the latter is true for warren because of what this one woman said
Context matters.
Changing your views in early life, because of major world events, or because of a personal crisis is one thing.
Changing your views in or past middle age when it became politically expedient to do so is not the same. I've never seen her provide a resonating explanation for her shift. Like Hillary magically coming around on gay marriage at the same time the national opinion polls crossed 50% on it.
Anyway going into the primary Warren was my backup choice but she clearly has no path to the nomination and it's pretty clear what effect her continued campaign will have on the race. All of the centrists are propping up Joe Biden and Liz is over here #persisting her way to between 0 and 1 states won.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2020, 07:45:10 AM
Don't get me wrong, they are both politicians, so they are both trying to convince people to vote for them. If someone fundamentally disagreed with him, Bernie would just tell that person not to vote for him. Warren would say what it took to try to get their vote.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 03, 2020, 12:10:10 PM
I like that she had a physical and actionable plan to bring her policies to fruition. She wants to implement an additional 2 cents tax on every dollar earned after someone makes $1M. Yeah, yeah "wealth redistribution" cry me a river. The vast majority of Americans would see no financial burden imposed by that plan, and would benefit from universal healthcare and the betterment of our society by reducing the burden of the student loan crisis.
But "socialism"
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2020, 02:07:32 PM
Warren was and is my #1 candidate, but like Badger, I don't see a path to her getting the nom at this point.
I like that she had a physical and actionable plan to bring her policies to fruition. She wants to implement an additional 2 cents tax on every dollar earned after someone makes $1M. Yeah, yeah "wealth redistribution" cry me a river. The vast majority of Americans would see no financial burden imposed by that plan, and would benefit from universal healthcare and the betterment of our society by reducing the burden of the student loan crisis.
But "socialism"
I can't speak for others. But I don't think increasing income tax (for the most part) is a concern for most people. The bigger issue to me is wanting to jack up social security taxes, capital gains taxes, or inheritance taxes.
Nobody would throw a excrement fit about a 2% increase to income tax for the highest bracket. Making social security unlimited or raising capital gains has tremendous implications. So suddenly your 2% is more like 8% and one you add in capital gains that number changes dramatically. 2% is bullshit
Don't freak with the stock market. And I know the progressives absolutely want to go wild with capital gains and social security
Post by: mj2sexay on March 03, 2020, 02:14:27 PM
Warren was and is my #1 candidate, but like Badger, I don't see a path to her getting the nom at this point.
The vast majority of Americans would see no financial burden imposed by that plan, and would benefit from universal healthcare
After all, it worked so well for our troops. The one demographic that universally no one has an issue with (or at least would never vocalize their issue publicly) funding in terms of healthcare cost.
Who's Eric Shinseki again?
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 03, 2020, 02:19:25 PM
After all, it worked so well for our troops. The one demographic that universally no one has an issue with (or at least would never vocalize their issue publicly) funding in terms of healthcare cost.
Who's Eric Shinseki again?
What point are you trying to make?
Because I'm absolutely certain anyone even slightly left on this board has been vocal in saying we don't take care of our military.
You love to cry about strawmen but you're the most proficient person on the board at stuffing them. Cute veiled shot implying that we on the left somehow don't like the military too.
Post by: Jumbo on March 03, 2020, 02:21:55 PM
I like that she had a physical and actionable plan to bring her policies to fruition. She wants to implement an additional 2 cents tax on every dollar earned after someone makes $1M.
It's an annual wealth tax of 2% on assets >$50 million and 3% on assets >$1 billion, not an income tax. Which means all wealth above that level would be taxed every year. Unless I'm misunderstanding/misremembering what her plan was. But that's significantly different and harder to implement than what you're representing here.
Post by: Jumbo on March 03, 2020, 02:52:14 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2020, 02:55:09 PM
More importantly: https://twitter.com/luwumi_/status/1234656653192171523It gone
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2020, 03:17:10 PM
It's an annual wealth tax of 2% on assets >$50 million and 3% on assets >$1 billion, not an income tax. Which means all wealth above that level would be taxed every year. Unless I'm misunderstanding/misremembering what her plan was. But that's significantly different and harder to implement than what you're representing here.
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/ultra-millionaire-tax
Yep this isn't even a freaking tax. It's pure wealth redistribution.
I think it's very reasonable to create higher brackets for the mega rich. But this is literally saying you're rich, so we're gonna steal your money.
Not to mention this would almost certainly insure a new era of people hiding their wealth overseas. If anything this would encourage people to expatriate
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2020, 03:20:26 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2020, 04:08:47 PM
I would have preferred Warren out of the candidates who are still running, but she has zero path to victory. I might have even voted for Warren if this were a few days ago, but once all the centrists got out and backed Biden, it made no sense to vote for Warren if I'm looking to fade Biden. If your plan is to be the compromise candidate at a convention despite having the 3rd-most votes, you have no real plan to win, since there is no way they would pick the person who came in a distant third at the convention.
I'll vote for whomever the Dems nominate.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2020, 05:18:31 PM
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 05:55:11 PM
I agree with your premise, but I dont know why I should believe the latter is true for warren because of what this one woman saidI still haven't listened to it, I'm speaking based on what I've seen from Warren.
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 05:55:37 PM
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1234910170976849922?s=19
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 06:00:07 PM
After all, it worked so well for our troops. The one demographic that universally no one has an issue with (or at least would never vocalize their issue publicly) funding in terms of healthcare cost.
Who's Eric Shinseki again?
If you can't differentiate the VA from single payer you're embarrassing yourself.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 03, 2020, 06:04:38 PM
It's an annual wealth tax of 2% on assets >$50 million and 3% on assets >$1 billion, not an income tax. Which means all wealth above that level would be taxed every year. Unless I'm misunderstanding/misremembering what her plan was. But that's significantly different and harder to implement than what you're representing here.
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/ultra-millionaire-tax
Yep this isn't even a freaking tax. It's pure wealth redistribution.
I think it's very reasonable to create higher brackets for the mega rich. But this is literally saying you're rich, so we're gonna steal your money.
Not to mention this would almost certainly insure a new era of people hiding their wealth overseas. If anything this would encourage people to expatriate
That was not the way I originally understood it. I don't see how you can tax the same dollar two years in a row.
I'm not against capital gains taxes, but I would be against taxing an asset--say a yacht--multiple years in a row, when all it's doing is sitting on the water. If you sell a stock, that's money created, but an asset is just sitting there not doing anything.
Post by: Jumbo on March 03, 2020, 06:06:10 PM
That was not the way I originally understood it. I don't see how you can tax the same dollar two years in a row.
I'm not against capital gains taxes, but I would be against taxing an asset--say a yacht--multiple years in a row, when all it's doing is sitting on the water. If you sell a stock, that's money created, but an asset is just sitting there not doing anything.
From dcm mode's link:
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That’s why we need a tax on wealth. The Ultra-Millionaire Tax taxes the wealth of the richest Americans. It applies only to households with a net worth of $50 million or more—roughly the wealthiest 75,000 households, or the top 0.1%. Households would pay an annual 2% tax on every dollar of net worth above $50 million and a 6% tax on every dollar of net worth above $1 billion. Because wealth is so concentrated, this small tax on roughly 75,000 households will bring in $3.75 trillion in revenue over a ten-year period.
So I'm pretty sure that's what her plan is...
Post by: Miamipuck on March 03, 2020, 06:10:34 PM
From dcm mode's link:
So I'm pretty sure that's what her plan is...
It's an intangible tax.
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 06:12:57 PM
What point are you trying to make?I think service members should be able to visit any doctor and the government should cover the bill in full.
Because I'm absolutely certain anyone even slightly left on this board has been vocal in saying we don't take care of our military.
You love to cry about strawmen but you're the most proficient person on the board at stuffing them. Cute veiled shot implying that we on the left somehow don't like the military too.
Who could disagree with such a thing?
Post by: mj2sexay on March 03, 2020, 06:18:08 PM
What point are you trying to make?
Because I'm absolutely certain anyone even slightly left on this board has been vocal in saying we don't take care of our military.
You love to cry about strawmen but you're the most proficient person on the board at stuffing them. Cute veiled shot implying that we on the left somehow don't like the military too.
...You must be kidding.
I literally got accused of "hating Mexican people" for thinking that the federal government should be able to withhold funds to States not in compliance with federal law. That's a freaking strawman.
There was no thinly veiled shot at you guys not liking the military. I don't know where that came from.
My comment was merely pointing out the fact that the one time we had a universal system in this country, for a segment of the population that literally everyone is in favor of providing healthcare for, we had soldiers dying on waiting list because government is incompetent and can't run a freaking DMV, nevermind our healthcare.
There was no cute veiled shot. My comment had nothing to do with how you may or may not feel about the military.
If you can't differentiate the VA from single payer you're embarrassing yourself.
It must suck having a demonstrative example of every persons worst criticism of your bullshit idiotic policy coming to light.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2020, 06:36:42 PM
I would actually have some support for a universal healthcare if it incorporated rationing in those cases. Right now in our current system a large majority of healthcare resources are wasted on people that should not get them (ie keeping people alive with extremely little to absolutely no quality of life) or spending insane amounts of resources on people with almost no chances.
Many of these people can't afford it and the government is effectively paying for this nonsense anyway. If you want healthcare for everyone, all inclusive. Then the government should get rid of the waste. And outside of the overhead uncessaary care is absolutely the rampant
And no I'm not talking about refusing palliative care, or not treating a kid with cancer with a 5% survival rate. I'm talking to life support and uneccessary surgeries on a 90 year old, or keeping someone alive for months on a ventilator and tube feeds.
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2020, 07:53:43 PM
For the people who support universal Healthcare. I'm genuinely curious, what's your thoughts on them rationing healthcare to the decrepit, elderly, or lost causes?Man, fuuuuck you
I would actually have some support for a universal healthcare if it incorporated rationing in those cases. Right now in our current system a large majority of healthcare resources are wasted on people that should not get them (ie keeping people alive with extremely little to absolutely no quality of life) or spending insane amounts of resources on people with almost no chances.
Many of these people can't afford it and the government is effectively paying for this nonsense anyway. If you want healthcare for everyone, all inclusive. Then the government should get rid of the waste. And outside of the overhead uncessaary care is absolutely the rampant
And no I'm not talking about refusing palliative care, or not treating a kid with cancer with a 5% survival rate. I'm talking to life support and uneccessary surgeries on a 90 year old, or keeping someone alive for months on a ventilator and tube feeds.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2020, 07:57:22 PM
Man, fuuuuck you
Healthcare will get rationed with universal Healthcare that's a simple fact. The question is how do you ration it?
And I'm not talking about death chambers. I'm saying you can't let people spend without limits under any circumstances. People call it death panels but the reality is resources are finite
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2020, 08:00:20 PM
Healthcare will get rationed with universal Healthcare that's a simple fact. The question is how do you ration it?Whatever you say, Adolf.
And I'm not talking about death chambers. I'm saying you can't let people spend without limits under any circumstances. People call it death panels but the reality is resources are finite
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 08:18:36 PM
Healthcare will get rationed with universal Healthcare that's a simple fact. The question is how do you ration it?Healthcare is being rationed right now with the poor taking the brunt of it.
And I'm not talking about death chambers. I'm saying you can't let people spend without limits under any circumstances. People call it death panels but the reality is resources are finite
Our ability to pay for it is absolutely not finite.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2020, 08:19:56 PM
Whatever you say, Adolf.
5% of healthcare users make up 50% of healthcare costs.
Tell me that's not a problem
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 08:19:58 PM
It must suck having a demonstrative example of every persons worst criticism of your bullshit idiotic policy coming to light.
It must suck to not be able to tell 2 different things apart.
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 08:20:26 PM
I think service members should be able to visit any doctor and the government should cover the bill in full.^mj coming out strong against this, may actually hate the troops more than Mexicans
Who could disagree with such a thing?
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 08:21:19 PM
5% of healthcare users make up 50% of healthcare costs.Dcm doing eugenics
Tell me that's not a problem
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2020, 08:25:15 PM
Healthcare is being rationed right now with the poor taking the brunt of it.
Our ability to pay for it is absolutely not finite.
I can see you're feeling the Bern. But the ability to pay for healthcare is 100% finite. What do you think happens to the economy if Healthcare costs go up 100%?200%?500%? These things have ever reaching impacts.
Not to mention healthcare resources do not only consist of ability to pay. There's a reason that almost any healthcare worker can get close to unlimited overtime. Because there's not enoguh experienced Healthcare workers. Dramatically increasing the amount of people with access to care will jsut exacerbate that issue.
I'm not suggesting that having people without healthcare is the solution, but rather to figure out how to ration it once everyone does
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2020, 08:26:46 PM
Dcm doing eugenics
The greatest example of eugenics in the modem era is abortion. Which I believe is a core principal of the left
Post by: mj2sexay on March 03, 2020, 08:27:43 PM
^mj coming out strong against this, may actually hate the troops more than Mexicans
I get that being retarded is a pre-requisite for feeling the Bern, but I've literally said twice now that giving more support for the troops via their medical needs (among other things) is the one aspect of healthcare everyone in this country agrees on.
It must suck to not be able to tell 2 different things apart.
So troops didn't die due to bureaucratic incompetence despite a universal system during the Obama administration?
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 08:33:57 PM
I can see you're feeling the Bern. But the ability to pay for healthcare is 100% finite. What do you think happens to the economy if Healthcare costs go up 100%?200%?500%? These things have ever reaching impacts.
What if they went up 1000%? 1,000,000%? Come on. What exactly would people be doing under M4A that would explode costs like that? Getting CT scans for fun?
Cutting out the middlemen of private insurance companies saves Americans money and would offset finally covering the remaining 30M people who are uninsured. You don't need to account it down to the penny to see the clear benefit of doing it.
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 08:35:20 PM
I get that being retarded is a pre-requisite for feeling the Bern, but I've literally said twice now that giving more support for the troops via their medical needs (among other things) is the one aspect of healthcare everyone in this country agrees on.
Great, then you agree with the core principle of M4A.
You see the doctor. The government covers the bill.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2020, 08:40:55 PM
What if they went up 1000%? 1,000,000%? Come on. What exactly would people be doing under M4A that would explode costs like that? Getting CT scans for fun?
Cutting out the middlemen of private insurance companies saves Americans money and would offset finally covering the remaining 30M people who are uninsured. You don't need to account it down to the penny to see the clear benefit of doing it.
First off uninsured people would have insurance. Then you have a huge number of people who have shitty insurance they can't afford to use because of insane deductibles, co-pays, and coinsurance.
This would drastically increase the demand for healthcare resources driving up prices of basically everything. Then people are living longer, baby boomers retiring (which means losing a large part of the medical workforce while increasing demand for medical treatment)
Yes the overhead thing is completely true. Regardless rationing of care is a factor now. And is a bigger one in Medicare for all. Also universal Healthcare countries (UK Canada etc) ration Healthcare in their own ways.
Regardless my point was 5% using 50% of healthcare costs is highly wasteful. Especially when many are lost causes
Post by: mj2sexay on March 03, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
Great, then you agree with the core principle of M4A.
You see the doctor. The government covers the bill.
"The government"
Nice way to cover up for the "tax burden which was paid for by a middle class who will get raped."
Besides, I'm glad we agree, we had "M4A" regarding our military members and it resulted in people dying on wait lists.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2020, 08:53:15 PM
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 09:17:01 PM
First off uninsured people would have insurance. Then you have a huge number of people who have shitty insurance they can't afford to use because of insane deductibles, co-pays, and coinsurance.
This would drastically increase the demand for healthcare resources driving up prices of basically everything. Then people are living longer, baby boomers retiring (which means losing a large part of the medical workforce while increasing demand for medical treatment)
Yes the overhead thing is completely true. Regardless rationing of care is a factor now. And is a bigger one in Medicare for all. Also universal Healthcare countries (UK Canada etc) ration Healthcare in their own ways.
Regardless my point was 5% using 50% of healthcare costs is highly wasteful. Especially when many are lost causes
UK is single provider, you and mj both struggling with this. It's fundamentally different.
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 09:19:52 PM
"The government"
Nice way to cover up for the "tax burden which was paid for by a middle class who will get raped."
Besides, I'm glad we agree, we had "M4A" regarding our military members and it resulted in people dying on wait lists.
You're not fooling anyone but yourself with this. M4A saves the middle class money.
You still didn't answer my question. Should members of the military get to see any doctor they want at no cost out of pocket?
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 09:20:26 PM
I.... agree with MJ here. The government = funded by our taxes. So, we’re paying for our healthcare one way or another- through increased taxes or inflated prices from insurance.But the taxes would be less than the insurance is. That's the point.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2020, 09:27:45 PM
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 09:54:21 PM
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2020, 09:57:22 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2020, 10:20:34 PM
But the taxes would be less than the insurance is. That's the point.
If they were, I would agree to that. Just hard for me to believe
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2020, 10:44:16 PM
If they were, I would agree to that. Just hard for me to believeWhy? There's literally an entire Western world of evidence to prove it.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 03, 2020, 10:48:32 PM
You're not fooling anyone but yourself with this. M4A saves the middle class money.
You still didn't answer my question. Should members of the military get to see any doctor they want at no cost out of pocket?
It absolutely will not. The amount of tax dollars that would be required in order to fund a M4A program is astronomical to the point that your boy has repeatedly refused to quantify it. At least appeal to the isolationist in me and tell me the way we're going to help bridge the gap isn't by taxation, but instead by recouping the waste we spend each year in foreign aide.
As far as the military, I literally already said they should, twice.
The problem is, we tried enacting that type of policy under a system where it was government run. Predictable result was predictable.
I think the problem that mj, dcm and others appear to have is that they're struggling to make the leap to the idea that the health insurance industry needs to literally cease to exist, at least in any form such as you know it, in order for single payer to exist and function effectively, and they think that that would be a bad thing.
I'm not entirely opposed with a radical overhaul of the health insurance industry. But bringing it under the umbrella of government entities that can't run their own shop to the tune that over a three year period in the middle part of this decade we paid 3.1 billion out towards federal employees on administrative leave isn't the solution.
I lived through Sandy. I saw how "efficient" FEMA was in the rebuilding process. And these people are going to be in charge of my healthcare? I'm good.
There's also the reality that you can't relegate healthcare providers to that of civil servants and not expect a massive brain drain. I know I know, something something doctors should only be in it to help people, as if financial incentive in any walk of life isn't a reality. Mitt Romney might be an absolute piece of excrement lowlife who I will always throw up in someones face if they idiotically tell me to just nakedly vote republican, but he wasn't wrong when he spoke of a hypothetical in which a doctor is prepping for a complicated surgery and the only thing on his mind is "wait a minute I'm getting paid how much for this?!?!"
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2020, 05:30:27 AM
I think the problem that mj, dcm and others appear to have is that they're struggling to make the leap to the idea that the health insurance industry needs to literally cease to exist, at least in any form such as you know it, in order for single payer to exist and function effectively, and they think that that would be a bad thing.
It's early, but did I suggest in anyway that the health insurance industry needs to exist? Whether we have m4a or current Healthcare as in. Half of healthcare resources are fojwueme9vy 5% of the population, most of whom wee lost causes.
The left believes in redistributing concentrated wealth, sometimes even literally just stealing it like Elizabeth Warren wants. Yet how is it okay were going to spend hundreds of billions to keep a corpse having a pulse for as long as possible.
Amy healthcare reform needs to address waste. The health insurance industry is unquestionably part of that. But nobody wants to have difficult discussions about gatekeeping or rationing resources which will only compound as more people age, retire, live longer, and become fatter gluttonous sons of bitches
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2020, 05:35:15 AM
Half of healthcare resources are fojwueme9vy 5% of the population, most of whom wee lost causes.
I think you may need some healthcare. Speed of care is important if you had a stroke.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2020, 05:53:00 AM
I think you may need some healthcare. Speed of care is important if you had a stroke.
I'm not talking about not treating people who need healthcare.
I'm talking about not throwing near unlimited resources at people for whom recovery and quality of life are extremely unlikely or impossible. Which is a huge burden and extremely common. Many of these issues involve refusal to let people die at any means necessary
Edit- I just realized the issue
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2020, 06:19:32 AM
It absolutely will not. The amount of tax dollars that would be required in order to fund a M4A program is astronomical to the point that your boy has repeatedly refused to quantify it. At least appeal to the isolationist in me and tell me the way we're going to help bridge the gap isn't by taxation, but instead by recouping the waste we spend each year in foreign aide.
As far as the military, I literally already said they should, twice.
The problem is, we tried enacting that type of policy under a system where it was government run. Predictable result was predictable.
I'm not entirely opposed with a radical overhaul of the health insurance industry. But bringing it under the umbrella of government entities that can't run their own shop to the tune that over a three year period in the middle part of this decade we paid 3.1 billion out towards federal employees on administrative leave isn't the solution.
I lived through Sandy. I saw how "efficient" FEMA was in the rebuilding process. And these people are going to be in charge of my healthcare? I'm good.
There's also the reality that you can't relegate healthcare providers to that of civil servants and not expect a massive brain drain. I know I know, something something doctors should only be in it to help people, as if financial incentive in any walk of life isn't a reality. Mitt Romney might be an absolute piece of excrement lowlife who I will always throw up in someones face if they idiotically tell me to just nakedly vote republican, but he wasn't wrong when he spoke of a hypothetical in which a doctor is prepping for a complicated surgery and the only thing on his mind is "wait a minute I'm getting paid how much for this?!?!"
You're still refusing to acknowledge that M4A is only government health insurance, not government-run health providers. Doctors and hospitals could still be private. M4A does not turn doctors into civil servants. That's flat out not correct. You wouldn't consider doctors right now to be employees of private health insurance companies. You keep getting hung up on this concept and it's just not true. It's a scare tactic.
Here's something for the isolationist in you:
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 04, 2020, 06:34:27 AM
Guess I’ll be resuming these posts
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2020, 06:55:43 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2020, 06:57:37 AM
You're still refusing to acknowledge that M4A is only government health insurance, not government-run health providers. Doctors and hospitals could still be private. M4A does not turn doctors into civil servants. That's flat out not correct. You wouldn't consider doctors right now to be employees of private health insurance companies. You keep getting hung up on this concept and it's just not true. It's a scare tactic.
Here's something for the isolationist in you:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200304/d152f2cd977e7ebc2172eedc1abcd85b.jpg)
While technically true, if m4a was enacted then the government would essentially dictate when and how medical care is provided as they would be the sole payer (outside of cash which isn't an option for most)
As of right now the government essentially dictates how most hospitals are run by Medicare reimbursement guidelines hcaps etc etc. But this isn't so much of a factor on private practices. With m4a it would completely transform the private practice model
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2020, 07:32:37 AM
Momentum....lol.
Post by: Johnny English on March 04, 2020, 07:34:06 AM
It's early, but did I suggest in anyway that the health insurance industry needs to exist? Whether we have m4a or current Healthcare as in. Half of healthcare resources are fojwueme9vy 5% of the population, most of whom wee lost causes.
The left believes in redistributing concentrated wealth, sometimes even literally just stealing it like Elizabeth Warren wants. Yet how is it okay were going to spend hundreds of billions to keep a corpse having a pulse for as long as possible.
Amy healthcare reform needs to address waste. The health insurance industry is unquestionably part of that. But nobody wants to have difficult discussions about gatekeeping or rationing resources which will only compound as more people age, retire, live longer, and become fatter gluttonous sons of bitches
You're still missing the point, which is that socialised healthcare is not and can not be rationed. Care is given to those who need it, when they need it, based upon priority of need. Your problem is that you're still looking at it as a revised version of what you do now, rather than root and branch reform.
Yes, you're going to pay a bunch of money that (if you're lucky) will be spent on someone else's healthcare, and yes, some of that will be spent on helping people with preventable and/or self inflicted conditions caused by obesity, smoking, excessive drinking and a whole variety of other things. And no, I'm not going to try and argue that access for all to preventive care is necessarily going to save money because it's way too complex and nuanced an argument to be able to support either way - although given your half baked capitalist ideals you should embrace the idea because it makes workers more productive and less likely to be absentees, and anyone with vaguely humanist ideals should embrace it because its impact on quality of life is so profound.
At its core though, and putting aside your insane eugenic thinking, this is an economic argument. Those opposed to single payer healthcare argue that governments are inefficient while private enterprise is efficient, and therefore private enterprise is the logical model to follow. But that specifically avoids a couple of basic principles of economics around incentives and rationality. The incentive of a private corporation is not to deliver the best healthcare outcomes but to deliver the best shareholder return, therefore the rational behaviour of a private healthcare provider is to charge as much as possible to the customer while delivering as little as possible back to them. Conversely, a government body's incentive at its high level (putting aside for a moment the human element as I recognise the microeconomic complications of the model) is to deliver as much service as possible for the least amount of money.
Now, we can argue about the efficiency or otherwise of government bodies to do that, but private enterprise is literally pulling in the opposite direction from the very beginning. We can make public bodies more efficient in a whole variety of ways, and in fact technology allows us to do that today in ways previously unimaginable - for example, AI-driven resource allocation - but you will never reverse the primary incentive of a private enterprise.
Markets and essential service delivery are at their very core incompatible, a model that the US has spent many decades proving to be true beyond all shadow of a doubt. Healthcare is not a commodity.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 04, 2020, 08:05:58 AM
Biden v Trump is the darkest timeline
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2020, 08:11:34 AM
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1235044512918941698?s=21Debate:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200304/75e37850a9d91a6bd33ef8d227b54e82.gif)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200304/eebf081d601b04445600f02ece39d368.gif)
Biden v Trump is the darkest timeline
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2020, 08:27:18 AM
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1235044512918941698?s=21
Biden v Trump is the darkest timeline
For fun i scrolled through the comments. There's a video of Biden sniffing a baby.
America is gonna burn.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2020, 08:52:54 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 04, 2020, 08:58:39 AM
In his defense, it looks like he was pretending to whisper a secret to the baby as a joke. That's why everyone laughed. Not sure where the sniffing hair thing came from. I can't believe I'm analyzing political twitter videos.
Lol where do they come up with this stuff lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d_IU459bGWs
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2020, 09:05:33 AM
He's a bit of a creeper, just defending him on the baby thing. Kind of like defending Ted Bundy on one of his murders.
Lol where do they come up with this stuff lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d_IU459bGWs
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2020, 09:20:18 AM
Elizabeth Warren will drop out to endorse herself.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 04, 2020, 09:28:24 AM
Bloomy. Out.
Elizabeth Warren will drop out to endorse herself.
Bloomberg was in for, what, a couple months? Need to see final numbers on the cash he burned
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 04, 2020, 09:28:50 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 04, 2020, 09:43:53 AM
we'll then see a 'What Happened: Part Two' book come out explaining it all
fck this
Post by: MBGreen on March 04, 2020, 09:50:45 AM
In his defense, it looks like he was pretending to whisper a secret to the baby as a joke. That's why everyone laughed. Not sure where the sniffing hair thing came from. I can't believe I'm analyzing political twitter videos.
Reminded me of Cool Ethan sniffing Angela's hair in class.
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Post by: AlioTheFool on March 04, 2020, 02:08:46 PM
From dcm mode's link:
So I'm pretty sure that's what her plan is...
Yeah, I got that
My comment was merely pointing out the fact that the one time we had a universal system in this country, for a segment of the population that literally everyone is in favor of providing healthcare for, we had soldiers dying on waiting list because government is incompetent and can't run a freaking DMV, nevermind our healthcare.
There was no cute veiled shot. My comment had nothing to do with how you may or may not feel about the military.
Gotcha. My bad then.
We disagree on the healthcare issue, but I'm glad I misinterpreted the part about the military.
For the people who support universal Healthcare. I'm genuinely curious, what's your thoughts on them rationing healthcare to the decrepit, elderly, or lost causes?
I would actually have some support for a universal healthcare if it incorporated rationing in those cases. Right now in our current system a large majority of healthcare resources are wasted on people that should not get them (ie keeping people alive with extremely little to absolutely no quality of life) or spending insane amounts of resources on people with almost no chances.
Many of these people can't afford it and the government is effectively paying for this nonsense anyway. If you want healthcare for everyone, all inclusive. Then the government should get rid of the waste. And outside of the overhead uncessaary care is absolutely the rampant
And no I'm not talking about refusing palliative care, or not treating a kid with cancer with a 5% survival rate. I'm talking to life support and uneccessary surgeries on a 90 year old, or keeping someone alive for months on a ventilator and tube feeds.
I never insult you. Ever. But this is an absolutely atrocious post.
My father died of cancer because his Teamster benefits wouldn't pay for better care. Go private insurance!
freak the idea that anyone should be denied care for any reason.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2020, 02:33:45 PM
Yeah, I got that
Gotcha. My bad then.
We disagree on the healthcare issue, but I'm glad I misinterpreted the part about the military.
I never insult you. Ever. But this is an absolutely atrocious post.
My father died of cancer because his Teamster benefits wouldn't pay for better care. Go private insurance!
freak the idea that anyone should be denied care for any reason.
First I'm sorry about your father.
But I'm not talking about denying people with treatable ailments. I do not suggest or endorse the concept of oh saving them is expensive so they should die.
What I am saying is that unnecessarily treating someone because their family can't come to grip with reality is a huge freaking problem.
Keeping someone vented and on tube feeds for weeks/months until they die isn't treating them and won't fix their cancer or kidney or heart failure or whatever terminal ailment they have. Quite frankly it's cruel and torture, but it's also a catastrophic waste of money and resources as well.
And I'd someone wants to keep their (basically already dead) loved one alive by any means necessary they should be allowed to do that. With their own money.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2020, 02:51:52 PM
First I'm sorry about your father.I understand what you are saying. The issue is determining where that point is. Your definition and mine aren't the same. Some cases are obvious, but who determines the criteria? Who is to say when someone crosses the threshold from "having a little hope" to "no hope"? No matter what list you come up with, there will be exceptions. That wouldn't be a fair burden to put on doctors.
But I'm not talking about denying people with treatable ailments. I do not suggest or endorse the concept of oh saving them is expensive so they should die.
What I am saying is that unnecessarily treating someone because their family can't come to grip with reality is a huge freaking problem.
Keeping someone vented and on tube feeds for weeks/months until they die isn't treating them and won't fix their cancer or kidney or heart failure or whatever terminal ailment they have. Quite frankly it's cruel and torture, but it's also a catastrophic waste of money and resources as well.
And I'd someone wants to keep their (basically already dead) loved one alive by any means necessary they should be allowed to do that. With their own money.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2020, 02:57:03 PM
I understand what you are saying. The issue is determining where that point is. Your definition and mine aren't the same. Some cases are obvious, but who determines the criteria? Who is to say when someone crosses the threshold from "having a little hope" to "no hope"? No matter what list you come up with, there will be exceptions. That wouldn't be a fair burden to put on doctors.
Didn't say it would be easily. But even if they primarily focused on tbe black and white, while kind of ignoring the gray. That would be a step in the right direction
Post by: mj2sexay on March 04, 2020, 03:22:01 PM
Did anyone see Jill Biden last night?! Sign her up to play next to CJ.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 04, 2020, 03:29:58 PM
I just don't think anyone should determine what the line is to not give any care possible to anyone who is still at least theoretically alive. And saying "As long as they pay for it themselves" is ridiculous. My father would've died even earlier if we had to pay for any of the care he actually did receive from his benefits.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 04, 2020, 03:33:50 PM
Just so we're clear, I wasn't looking for any sympathy. It was 2 decades ago.
Nothing in your comment gave me that impression at all, it's just the customary thing to say I suppose. I have a great relationship with my father, when his time comes it will create an irreplaceable void in my life.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 04, 2020, 04:05:58 PM
democratic establishment putting their money behind a candidate who's going to campaign on nothing other than saying he's the 'nice, decent' candidate while dementedly stuttering meaningless platitudes, and will still wonder what happened when trump trounces himReminds me of when the DNC nominated Kerry. I didn't care nearly as much about politics then, but democrats hated Bush and couldn't wait to get him out of office. So they nominated the most bland candidate ever, hoping that the bland establishment candidate would beat the guy they all hated. It didn't work.
we'll then see a 'What Happened: Part Two' book come out explaining it all
fck this
Now they're trying the exact same thing. Granted, there's a lot more anger around Trump than there was about Bush, but Trump's diehard fans are far more brainwashed than Bush's ever were, and they will turn out to vote.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 05, 2020, 10:13:51 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 05, 2020, 11:15:13 AM
Reminds me of when the DNC nominated Kerry. I didn't care nearly as much about politics then, but democrats hated Bush and couldn't wait to get him out of office. So they nominated the most bland candidate ever, hoping that the bland establishment candidate would beat the guy they all hated. It didn't work.
Now they're trying the exact same thing. Granted, there's a lot more anger around Trump than there was about Bush, but Trump's diehard fans are far more brainwashed than Bush's ever were, and they will turn out to vote.
100x this
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2020, 07:56:42 AM
This is great
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2020, 11:08:58 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 08, 2020, 08:15:10 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 08, 2020, 08:17:07 AM
https://twitter.com/subtleferret/status/1235605502072983553?s=21
https://twitter.com/neekolul/status/1216586392987262976?s=21
Hnggggg don’t even care this isn’t the right thread
Post by: insanity on March 08, 2020, 10:23:13 AM
https://twitter.com/neekolul/status/1216586392987262976?s=21Lmao I did the same thing after the first link
Hnggggg don’t even care this isn’t the right thread
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2020, 06:42:31 AM
Be the change you wish to see in the world
Post by: insanity on March 09, 2020, 06:49:19 AM
https://twitter.com/48john/status/1236449683846893568?s=21Only way dems win
Be the change you wish to see in the world
Post by: bojanglesman on March 09, 2020, 07:11:23 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 09, 2020, 07:13:42 AM
What is blacked?
Racist
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2020, 07:16:47 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2020, 07:17:08 AM
What is blacked?
Google it at work, volume up
Post by: bojanglesman on March 09, 2020, 10:35:07 AM
Google it at work, volume upThat's why I'm asking here. I figure it's porn.
Post by: Jumbo on March 09, 2020, 10:45:04 AM
That's why I'm asking here. I figure it's porn.
"Blacked" is a very educational series about the history of blackouts in the media of unpopular topics. Perhaps people wish to see the ok boomer girl on this series to discuss the media blackout of Bernie Sanders, as a large portion of the media is comprised of "boomers."
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2020, 10:51:16 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 09, 2020, 04:09:26 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
Important update
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2020, 06:19:35 PM
Legend
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2020, 07:02:28 PM
18-34 year-olds: Sanders 71% - Biden 21%
65+ year-olds: Biden 80% Sanders 11%
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 10, 2020, 02:11:37 PM
Quinnipac poll
18-34 year-olds: Sanders 71% - Biden 21%
65+ year-olds: Biden 80% Sanders 11%
There's an awfully big gap there. Are middle-aged people just expected to stay home in November?
Post by: mj2sexay on March 10, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
Biden is nothing if not absolutely hilarious.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 03:27:58 PM
Very Important Update
Post by: reuben on March 10, 2020, 03:31:49 PM
https://twitter.com/hotline_ching/status/1237226823118753792?s=21
Very Important Update
Chick is just begging for stalkers.
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 03:35:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 03:42:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 04:18:19 PM
I don't know what simping is and I don't know who this girl is that you've suddenly started posting a lot, but she's way too young for most of us to be lusting over.
Ok boomer
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 10, 2020, 04:26:32 PM
She wouldn't talk to any of us except maybe JFIF.
i don't think she's as hot as all of these nerds on the internet are making her out to be. i think she's fortunate to be able to optimize on a fanbase of freaky dudes out there that fetishize the 'younger' looking appearance of this adult female (which is kind of fucked up), and she is playing up to all of the anime/japanese/gamer/comic type fans with some of her mannerisms and her makeup. she's pretty good at marketing
i have hooked up with hotter girls than her
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
i don't think she's as hot as all of these nerds on the internet are making her out to be. i think she's fortunate to be able to optimize on a fanbase of freaky dudes out there that fetishize the 'younger' looking appearance of this adult female (which is kind of fucked up), and she is playing up to all of the anime/japanese/gamer/comic type fans with some of her mannerisms and her makeup. she's pretty good at marketing
i have hooked up with hotter girls than her
Settle down JFIF
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 04:42:35 PM
Post by: Pope on March 10, 2020, 09:04:28 PM
Doesn’t have broad shoulders, mustache, and/or a bit fat juicy rooster
Post by: reuben on March 10, 2020, 09:20:32 PM
Shushing bitches. Scrappin'. Mixin' it up. Papa Joe don't play your excrement, neckbeard.
Post by: Badger on March 10, 2020, 09:36:26 PM
It's a shame too especially after getting mj to endorse M4A, proof that anyone can eventually see reason.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 11, 2020, 12:04:26 AM
Well, looks like they're going full retard. No point in trying to stop them.
It's a shame too especially after getting mj to endorse M4A, proof that anyone can eventually see reason.
Lolololololol wuts economics hahahaha just tax the rich to pay for it hahahahahaha.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 11, 2020, 12:17:40 AM
Lolololololol wuts economics hahahaha just tax the rich to pay for it hahahahahaha.
Why tax the rich when you can just steal from them ala Warren's plan
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2020, 05:20:50 AM
Lolololololol wuts economics hahahaha just tax the rich to pay for it hahahahahaha.Mexico dude
Post by: Badger on March 11, 2020, 05:32:03 AM
wuts economics
Wait I just realized you meant this earnestly since you don't understand how federal spending works.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2020, 06:55:11 AM
Ah yes, it’s about that time in the election cycle where the left starts to eat itself
https://twitter.com/kristenorthman/status/1216879913078329344?s=21
https://twitter.com/eclecticbrotha/status/1237554853473177604?s=21
In this thread
Post by: Jumbo on March 11, 2020, 07:58:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/pbwuwMW.png)
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 11, 2020, 10:52:43 PM
can't believe they're fvcking doing this excrement again
i cannot wait, one year from now we're going to be seeing the 'what happened, part 2: the joe biden edition' hit the shelves, i cannot fckin wait
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 12, 2020, 11:45:58 AM
It was one thing when Bernie supporters got pissed that Hillary "stole" the nomination with a lot of dispute in delegates. Biden is outright winning primaries.
Like him or not, and personally I'm not a big fan, he's getting people to come out and vote for him. That's how elections are supposed to work.
Sanders supporters might not get it, but Bernie isn't a likable guy. His platform aligns with Warren's, who I wanted to get the nomination, but I don't like Bernie. I'd vote for him in the general, but only because of who he'd be facing. Whenever Sanders speaks, he's talking at you, not to you, and that's quite unappealing to most people.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 12, 2020, 07:36:15 PM
Who exactly is "doing it again"?
It was one thing when Bernie supporters got pissed that Hillary "stole" the nomination with a lot of dispute in delegates. Biden is outright winning primaries.
Like him or not, and personally I'm not a big fan, he's getting people to come out and vote for him. That's how elections are supposed to work.
Sanders supporters might not get it, but Bernie isn't a likable guy. His platform aligns with Warren's, who I wanted to get the nomination, but I don't like Bernie. I'd vote for him in the general, but only because of who he'd be facing. Whenever Sanders speaks, he's talking at you, not to you, and that's quite unappealing to most people.
the 'who' is the democratic establishment
is it a coincidence that all of the establishment democrats dropped out the day before super tuesday to endorse and prop up a horrible candidate, but a candidate they're okay with, in biden? biden hasn't aggressively campaigned in many states, he doesn't give long speeches to his supporters because he's fcking demented, but he's propped up by the rich and the elite. obama gave gay pete a call and basically told him what to do hours before he dropped out. all of this excrement was pre-meditated to try and consolidate as much as they could against bernie, and it worked.
warren stayed in despite being 'out' and did nothing but take votes away from the other progressive in bernie, and this hurt him against the unified coalition behind biden. this whole thing is ridiculous, and a farce. yang endorsing biden, booker endorsing biden mere months after he attacked biden's senility on live TV, it's all fcking bullshit. and warren's lack of endorsement for the only remaining progressive in bernie fckin reveals the true farce that she is, she doesn't care about the people she said she was running for, she was running for herself, her whole fckin platform is a farce
fck this excrement
Post by: Johnny English on March 12, 2020, 08:03:16 PM
the 'who' is the democratic establishmentAlso, the FBI are tapping your phone, the CIA are reading your mind and little green men are interfering with you in your sleep.
is it a coincidence that all of the establishment democrats dropped out the day before super tuesday to endorse and prop up a horrible candidate, but a candidate they're okay with, in biden? biden hasn't aggressively campaigned in many states, he doesn't give long speeches to his supporters because he's fcking demented, but he's propped up by the rich and the elite. obama gave gay pete a call and basically told him what to do hours before he dropped out. all of this excrement was pre-meditated to try and consolidate as much as they could against bernie, and it worked.
warren stayed in despite being 'out' and did nothing but take votes away from the other progressive in bernie, and this hurt him against the unified coalition behind biden. this whole thing is ridiculous, and a farce. yang endorsing biden, booker endorsing biden mere months after he attacked biden's senility on live TV, it's all fcking bullshit. and warren's lack of endorsement for the only remaining progressive in bernie fckin reveals the true farce that she is, she doesn't care about the people she said she was running for, she was running for herself, her whole fckin platform is a farce
fck this excrement
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2020, 08:15:19 PM
Apparently theyre just copy pasting the same arguments they used against Bush and Trump to explain Sanders losing
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2020, 08:30:50 PM
the 'who' is the democratic establishment
is it a coincidence that all of the establishment democrats dropped out the day before super tuesday to endorse and prop up a horrible candidate, but a candidate they're okay with, in biden? biden hasn't aggressively campaigned in many states, he doesn't give long speeches to his supporters because he's fcking demented, but he's propped up by the rich and the elite. obama gave gay pete a call and basically told him what to do hours before he dropped out. all of this excrement was pre-meditated to try and consolidate as much as they could against bernie, and it worked.
warren stayed in despite being 'out' and did nothing but take votes away from the other progressive in bernie, and this hurt him against the unified coalition behind biden. this whole thing is ridiculous, and a farce. yang endorsing biden, booker endorsing biden mere months after he attacked biden's senility on live TV, it's all fcking bullshit. and warren's lack of endorsement for the only remaining progressive in bernie fckin reveals the true farce that she is, she doesn't care about the people she said she was running for, she was running for herself, her whole fckin platform is a farce
fck this excrement
Perfectly said
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 13, 2020, 12:57:55 PM
Also, the FBI are tapping your phone, the CIA are reading your mind and little green men are interfering with you in your sleep.
At least somebody gets it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 13, 2020, 01:01:42 PM
Everyone says "Yeah, whatever Bernie, we're gonna support the guy most people don't hate and maybe try to win this thing." FUCKALLYOUESTABLISHMENTMOTHERFUCKERSIHOPETRUMPWINSAGAINANDYOUALLCRYBERNIEFLAVOREDTEARS!!!!
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 13, 2020, 02:42:56 PM
I also dont think every Warren voter necessarily votes Bernie. Bernie is very polarizing.
I also don't really blame Warren for not endorsing Bernie. She saw the writing on the wall that it was basically over for Bernie after Super Tuesday.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 13, 2020, 09:52:15 PM
don't conflate 'bernie bros' with bernie attacking others. bernie has repeatedly denounced that sort of behavior from any followers, and he honestly shouldn't even have to fckin do this, as 'bernie bros' is a fckin myth. and for the millionth time, if the myth about 'mean' bernie supporters is enough to deter you from supporting a nominee that wishes to do the most good for the general public of america, you need to step back and re-analyze what gives one the privilege of being able to put the real needs of people that bernie is trying to fight for over your feelings about imaginary trolls on the internet, and what the whole democratic process is about with regards to electing a nominee that would best serve this broken country
if he's attacking others regarding POLICY about how he's the only one that wants to do things, it's because he's the only nominee with a truly progressive platform that wants to bring those sorts of changes to the working class. we've already seen that warren was only fckin in this excrement for herself. despite that, the only attack he's ever made on warren is the fake one that warren made up about bernie saying that he didn't think women could be president (LMFAO). he's repeatedly stated he looks forward to working with her on a progressive platform and look at the fckin treachery she has pulled against the movement
the rhetoric and narrative being peddled is so pervasive that you guys are victim to it without even realizing it. i don't know what the fck i'm reading here about bernie 'attacking' others and biden 'being able to get voters to come out for him' when the amount he's campaigned/travelled/spoken to compared to others is a fcking joke. this excrement is so fcking infuriating
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 13, 2020, 09:54:38 PM
Also, the FBI are tapping your phone, the CIA are reading your mind and little green men are interfering with you in your sleep.
i'm sorry JE, but this is some weak excrement. i brought up objective excrement that actually happened in this life and you choose to retort with imaginary made up excrement. good talk
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2020, 04:05:55 PM
no it's not
can't believe they're fvcking doing this excrement again
i cannot wait, one year from now we're going to be seeing the 'what happened, part 2: the joe biden edition' hit the shelves, i cannot fckin wait
Joe Biden has all of Clinton's bad qualities, none of the good ones, is demonstrating obvious cognitive decline, and when he loses in November they're gonna blame the left again.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 04:15:18 PM
i'm sorry JE, but this is some weak excrement. i brought up objective excrement that actually happened in this life and you choose to retort with imaginary made up excrement. good talk
All the objective excrement except for the bit about people actually, y'know, not voting for Bernie. This wasn't about super delegates or DNC skullduggery, this was just plain losing a vote.
And in case I have to once more remind you, as if it shouldn't be plainly obvious, I am a fan of Sanders and his policy positions. Of all the candidates, he is the closest aligned to my views on many things. He just plain freaking lost though.
Post by: Jumbo on March 14, 2020, 04:17:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 05:24:26 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2020, 05:25:10 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:30:10 PM
Nobody actually likes Biden or his platform they’re just voting against Bernie’s policies. Biden looks like a worse candidate than Hilary, and I freaking hate Hilary
I don't agree.
2 party system is lame
I do agree.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 07:28:04 PM
I can't think of anything good that can happen by Biden showing his face anywhere. Let his campaign do all the work, shut the freak up, don't talk to anyone. Release statements, not speeches. Win the election and maybe they can convince him to drop out before 2024. Maybe offer him a candy bar or something.
Post by: Jumbo on March 14, 2020, 07:38:51 PM
Biden campaign needs to play prevent defense. Minimize appearances so he doesn't freak up. Just let Trump continue to freak himself. Can't get around debates though. Old Man River vs Retard will be funny though. Lots of yelling and wheezing.
I can't think of anything good that can happen by Biden showing his face anywhere. Let his campaign do all the work, shut the freak up, don't talk to anyone. Release statements, not speeches. Win the election and maybe they can convince him to drop out before 2024. Maybe offer him a candy bar or something.
We're gonna get President Stapler aren't we
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 14, 2020, 07:44:56 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 07:53:20 PM
Biden campaign needs to play prevent defense. Minimize appearances so he doesn't freak up. Just let Trump continue to freak himself. Can't get around debates though. Old Man River vs Retard will be funny though. Lots of yelling and wheezing.
I can't think of anything good that can happen by Biden showing his face anywhere. Let his campaign do all the work, shut the freak up, don't talk to anyone. Release statements, not speeches. Win the election and maybe they can convince him to drop out before 2024. Maybe offer him a candy bar or something.
the dems and the media have been coddling biden regarding his obvious shortcomings every time he opens his fckin mouth.
do you see the republicans or trump doing the same? they are going to go to town on his derriere about it when the time comes. imagine if biden's mental capacity could be featured on an episode of 'blacked'. that's what's gonna happen
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 07:56:26 PM
this is the guy these people are saying they want to defeat trump, but when trump does the same excrement we don't hear the end of it. the cognitive dissonance is fcking unreal
Post by: delavan on March 14, 2020, 10:23:49 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 10:48:58 PM
Biden's the glass half-empty meaning aren't Dem insiders really looking long-term and focusing on installing his would-be replacement, i.e. a comparatively vibrant, compelling running mate? He'll turn 78 in November, would be in his 80's running for re-election at which point a parakeet would wipe the floor with him in a debate.
i would love to see biden tell a group of parakeets that they are full of excrement
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 14, 2020, 10:52:12 PM
Biden's the glass half-empty meaning aren't Dem insiders really looking long-term and focusing on installing his would-be replacement, i.e. a comparatively vibrant, compelling running mate? He'll turn 78 in November, would be in his 80's running for re-election at which point a parakeet would wipe the floor with him in a debate.Another reason why nominating him is so bad. There were reports months ago that he wouldn't seek reelection. If the dems win, they should get someone who would also be a good candidate in four years so he can run as a quality incumbent.
I was annoyed when Biden entered the race because I figured he would win. He ran such a bad campaign where I thought he wouldn't win, but it turned out to not matter.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 11:51:39 PM
Another reason why nominating him is so bad. There were reports months ago that he wouldn't seek reelection. If the dems win, they should get someone who would also be a good candidate in four years so he can run as a quality incumbent.
I was annoyed when Biden entered the race because I figured he would win. He ran such a bad campaign where I thought he wouldn't win, but it turned out to not matter.
If biden sucks and wouldn't be seeking reelection. Shouldn't you in theory be happy if he was able to run, get Trump out of office for 4 years, then was willing to duck out so someone more interesting can run?
I mean I doubt Bernie Sanders would be running for reelection at 83 years old if he became president this year anyway. At the end of his second term he would be 10 years older than the oldest president ever in office
Post by: Miamipuck on March 15, 2020, 12:32:30 AM
If biden sucks and wouldn't be seeking reelection. Shouldn't you in theory be happy if he was able to run, get Trump out of office for 4 years, then was willing to duck out so someone more interesting can run?
I mean I doubt Bernie Sanders would be running for reelection at 83 years old if he became president this year anyway. At the end of his second term he would be 10 years older than the oldest president ever in office
Get used to it, 80 is the new 50.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2020, 12:38:21 AM
If biden sucks and wouldn't be seeking reelection. Shouldn't you in theory be happy if he was able to run, get Trump out of office for 4 years, then was willing to duck out so someone more interesting can run?I think it sucks that all of our candidates are in their 70's and could are high risk to die in the next 9 months.
I mean I doubt Bernie Sanders would be running for reelection at 83 years old if he became president this year anyway. At the end of his second term he would be 10 years older than the oldest president ever in office
I mean, sure, if someone interesting ran in 4 years who won, that would be great. But it's easier to win as the incumbent. No incumbent has lost since Bush 1.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 12:39:22 AM
Get used to it, 80 is the new 50.
Yes people are living longer and are more active blah blah blah. Regardless there's never been a president older than 77 in office. Ever Sanders would be 87, and he's already a crazy old freak with dementia (yes so is Trump, but his isn't age related)
I don't think there should be an 87 year old president. That's way too freaking old. Just like how I'd rather us not have a 28 year old president
Sure you should be allowed to run when you're an ancient freak. But nobody should vote for you
Post by: Jumbo on March 15, 2020, 12:52:49 AM
I think it sucks that all of our candidates are in their 70's and could are high risk to die in the next 9 months.
I mean, sure, if someone interesting ran in 4 years who won, that would be great. But it's easier to win as the incumbent. No incumbent has lost since Bush 1.
Only 9 incumbents of 44 presidents have lost re-election, although a few among the 44 did not attempt to seek re-election when they could have. These are: Bush I (1992), Carter (1980), Ford (1976), Hoover (1932), Taft (1912), Harrison (1892), Van Buren (1840), Quincy Adams (1824), Adams (1800). As a quick runthrough of the historical ones, Taft largely lost because TR tried to take office again. Harrison lost to a guy who had already been incredibly popular and had defeated him in the popular vote the prior election. Van Buren lost because of a depression to a war hero. The only other two incumbents to lose are the Adamses, who lost to incredibly popular political figures - Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson.
I think all of the incumbents who have lost, besides Ford, lost to pretty strong candidates. If incumbency really is that strong of a predictor, Biden would be bucking the trend in defeating the incumbent, as I don't think he's a particularly strong candidate.
Basically, it's really freaking hard to lose as the incumbent.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 15, 2020, 03:04:10 AM
Yes people are living longer and are more active blah blah blah. Regardless there's never been a president older than 77 in office. Ever Sanders would be 87, and he's already a crazy old freak with dementia (yes so is Trump, but his isn't age related)
I don't think there should be an 87 year old president. That's way too freaking old. Just like how I'd rather us not have a 28 year old president
Sure you should be allowed to run when you're an ancient freak. But nobody should vote for you
I agree with you only in the respect I would go further, I do not want people over 80 in Congress and or the President. I also want term limits for the freaking assholes in Congress. 2 terms for Senators and 4-5 for the House. It would never happen. I don't think we should have 80 and 90 year olds in Congress. I don't think they're able to do the job properly.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 06:03:55 AM
I agree with you only in the respect I would go further, I do not want people over 80 in Congress and or the President. I also want term limits for the freaking assholes in Congress. 2 terms for Senators and 4-5 for the House. It would never happen. I don't think we should have 80 and 90 year olds in Congress. I don't think they're able to do the job properly.
Well if this Corona thing goes on long enough we won't have to worry about anyone over 80 in the white house or congress for a couple of years
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 07:14:40 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/487616-sanders-taps-rev-jesse-jackson-as-a-special-advisor
Ugh
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 07:24:06 AM
The Hill: Sanders taps Rev. Jesse Jackson as campaign advisor | TheHill.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/487616-sanders-taps-rev-jesse-jackson-as-a-special-advisor
Ugh
Well that's pretty apparent for what it is
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 07:39:17 AM
Well that's pretty apparent for what it is
Pandering to the Christians
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2020, 08:48:12 AM
Nobody actually likes Biden or his platform they’re just voting against Bernie’s policies. Biden looks like a worse candidate than Hilary, and I freaking hate Hilary
Currently-
Biden: 61%
Sanders: 32%
Gabbard: 4%
In February's NBC/WSJ poll, the Dem horserace was:
Sanders: 27%
Biden: 15%
Bloomberg 14%
Warren: 14%
Buttigieg: 13%
Klobuchar: 7%
The People wanted anyone but Biden. Once it became clear all of the other candidates were pretty shitty too, everyone threw their support behind the establishment candidate they perceived to have the best shot at beating Trump
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 07:46:38 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 07:51:57 PM
Biden is getting derriere rammed in this debate.
Wonder what happens if one of them starts coughing during the debate
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2020, 07:56:45 PM
Wonder what happens if one of them starts coughing during the debateBiden will say he voted against coronavirus.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 08:16:12 PM
Biden will say he voted against coronavirus.
I'd just assume he'd tell us how he helped eliminate smallpox. Then Bernie would tell us how Fidel Castro made Cuba a medical superpower capable of fending off such disease
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2020, 08:18:04 PM
Nobody actually likes Biden or his platform they’re just voting against Bernie’s policies. Biden looks like a worse candidate than Hilary, and I freaking hate Hilary
That's not quite correct, M4A has exit polled with a majority or plurality in favor in every single state that voted so far. So even a significant number of Biden voters want it, those people are just self-cucking or misinformed.
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Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 08:50:04 PM
That's not quite correct, M4A has exit polled with a majority or plurality in favor in every single state that voted so far. So even a significant number of Biden voters want it, those people are just self-cucking or misinformed.
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According to five thirty eight only 42% support m4a
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/sanders-poll-quiz/
Not sure who those numbers you linked are but for 60% + to support "replacing private health insurance" seems like bs to me.
Of course I do believe m4a would be far more successful than a public option (ala biden)
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2020, 08:50:41 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 08:52:43 PM
According to 538 Hillary is the president
According to Twitter and snapchat Bernie Sanders is the greatest politician of all time
What's your point
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2020, 09:03:07 PM
According to Twitter and snapchat Bernie Sanders is the greatest politician of all timeI made my point above but it went over your head.
What's your point
A significant number of Biden voters are motivated by the urge to go "back to normal". Not a rejection of progressive polices. Not an embrace of some superior Biden policies (he has none). Even some people who agree with Sanders are voting for Biden out of fear, because they incorrectly believe he's the *only* shot to win against Trump.
Could Biden beat Trump? Maybe. Botching this outbreak and its fallout could hurt Trump. But other than that he's a weaker candidate than Hillary going up against a stronger, normalized, incumbent Trump.
If Joe beats Trump I won't be mad. I'd personally benefit. But many more suffer as badly under Biden as they do under Trump.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 09:24:52 PM
I made my point above but it went over your head.
A significant number of Biden voters are motivated by the urge to go "back to normal". Not a rejection of progressive polices. Not an embrace of some superior Biden policies (he has none). Even some people who agree with Sanders are voting for Biden out of fear, because they incorrectly believe he's the *only* shot to win against Trump.
Could Biden beat Trump? Maybe. Botching this outbreak and its fallout could hurt Trump. But other than that he's a weaker candidate than Hillary going up against a stronger, normalized, incumbent Trump.
If Joe beats Trump I won't be mad. I'd personally benefit. But many more suffer as badly under Biden as they do under Trump.
If Sanders, is too left for the democratic party and cant even beat a boring as excrement candidate like Biden. How the freak would you expect him to win a general election?
I don't understand this logic at all
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2020, 09:27:05 PM
If Sanders, is too left for the democratic party and cant even beat a boring as excrement candidate like Biden. How the freak would you expect him to win a general election?
I don't understand this logic at all
Independents aren't moderates. The dem primary has always been a greater obstacle to Sanders than the general.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 09:31:16 PM
Independents aren't moderates. The dem primary has always been a greater obstacle to Sanders than the general.
So what are independents? Communist?
I don't understand why you think independents would like Sanders more than liberals
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2020, 09:37:27 PM
What the freak is wrong with these people. You should pick the best person for the job. Not the best person who fits certain demographics
Post by: reuben on March 15, 2020, 10:03:25 PM
Biden went a step further and vowed to pick a black woman for the next Supreme Court vacancy.
Yeah that bothered me a lot. I don't think anyone wants to be affirmative actioned into the highest honor in their profession.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 06:08:08 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2020, 10:37:18 AM
Sanders and Biden having female running mates or appointees isn't any different than "MAGA" or "Build the Wall" from Trump's campaign.
Politics is a personality contest. Campaign finance reform and a legitimate third party would potentially change everything, but neither thing is going to happen in the current election cycle.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 10:44:28 AM
How is it somehow a big deal that politicians are openly pandering to segments of the population for votes?Why use Trump or Republicans as an example? They should try to be better than that. Picking a woman for VP because its a woman eliminates roughly half of the people just because it might get some votes. Pick the best person for the job, no matter what organ is between their legs.
Sanders and Biden having female running mates or appointees isn't any different than "MAGA" or "Build the Wall" from Trump's campaign.
Politics is a personality contest. Campaign finance reform and a legitimate third party would potentially change everything, but neither thing is going to happen in the current election cycle.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2020, 11:26:45 AM
Why use Trump or Republicans as an example? They should try to be better than that. Picking a woman for VP because its a woman eliminates roughly half of the people just because it might get some votes. Pick the best person for the job, no matter what organ is between their legs.
I'm not condoning the actions, just basically asking why anyone is surprised.
Again, until we have campaign finance reform, and the introduction of a legitimate third party, pandering will be a permanent part of politics, because policy alone isn't enough to win in the current arena.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 11:30:14 AM
I'm not condoning the actions, just basically asking why anyone is surprised.Yeah, I agree. I was a little surprised, frankly because I thought they'd pander to black/latino people first.
Again, until we have campaign finance reform, and the introduction of a legitimate third party, pandering will be a permanent part of politics, because policy alone isn't enough to win in the current arena.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2020, 11:41:39 AM
Yeah, I agree. I was a little surprised, frankly because I thought they'd pander to black/latino people first.
This is completely a guess made with no physical evidence, but I'd assume they feel no need to pander to that demographic. The vast majority of POC can probably be assumed to have the current political stance of "Anyone but Trump" so the pandering is unnecessary.
But if Biden or Sanders wants to win the election, they need Carol Smith in Tallahassee, and Margaret McDowell in Columbus to get out and vote the opposite of their husbands.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 11:49:58 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 16, 2020, 12:05:27 PM
What plays better on the campaign trail, Trump hates minorities or Trump hates women? Both very appealing options
A repeat of the 2016 strategy, lets see how it works out for em Cotton.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2020, 12:30:18 PM
At least Biden would provide some great sound bites
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2020, 12:33:30 PM
https://twitter.com/nahtanojcimsoc/status/1239342062799130629?s=21Yep. Him and Trump debating with be pure comedy. Yelling, ridiculous lies, heavy breathing, gaffes.
At least Biden would provide some great sound bites
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 10:46:01 PM
So what are independents? Communist?Independents have a random patchwork quilt of conflicting ideas. And Sanders has always polled solidly with them.
I don't understand why you think independents would like Sanders more than liberals
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 10:51:34 PM
A repeat of the 2016 strategy, lets see how it works out for em Cotton.They're already doing this. Propping up a moderate nobody is excited about on the assumption that "not Trump" is enough of a platform to win.
Biden should just name COVID-19 as his running mate because it's the only reason he might have a shot.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 01:47:17 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 01:49:15 PM
Biden should just name COVID-19 as his running mate because it's the only reason he might have a shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dz25tM77yY
In all sincerity, if Biden doesn't name someone like Baldwin as his running mate it's just further proof that the DNC doesn't understand the game in which they're playing re:electoral politics.
And further proof that they don't give two shits about their progressive wing.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 01:51:18 PM
https://twitter.com/fivethirtyeight/status/1240707347179175938?s=21Yeah, Bernie should drop out. In a normal primary, I could see him hanging on a little more, hoping for some sort of miracle, but with the coronavirus going around, the best thing is to just end it. It's unfortunate because I don't want Biden as the candidate, but hopefully he can be dragged a little to the left. I'm sick of watching centrist candidates vs right wing candidates.
Maybe in four or eight years we can actually get a progressive candidate.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Yeah, Bernie should drop out. In a normal primary, I could see him hanging on a little more, hoping for some sort of miracle, but with the coronavirus going around, the best thing is to just end it. It's unfortunate because I don't want Biden as the candidate, but hopefully he can be dragged a little to the left. I'm sick of watching centrist candidates vs right wing candidates.
Maybe in four or eight years we can actually get a progressive candidate.
A progressive candidate in the Democratic Party? Why do you say that?
It seemed to me like Bernie lost traction this election cycle and there’s a clear ideological divide between progressives and the rest of the party. I don’t see a candidate that would excite anyone beyond AOC. Gillum and Abrams were hot tickets in 2018 and have fallen off the map. Beto was a flash in the pan. And AOC is more polarizing than Bernie and too young/inexperienced. I don’t get why we wouldn’t see a repeat of the 2016/2020 primaries.
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 02:22:49 PM
Yeah, Bernie should drop out. In a normal primary, I could see him hanging on a little more, hoping for some sort of miracle, but with the coronavirus going around, the best thing is to just end it. It's unfortunate because I don't want Biden as the candidate, but hopefully he can be dragged a little to the left. I'm sick of watching centrist candidates vs right wing candidates.
Maybe in four or eight years we can actually get a progressive candidate.
I read an article the other day which I meant to link here but forgot that said Bernie and Biden actually have a long friendship and mutual respect going back years, and that Bernie could end up with a significant influence in a Biden campaign.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 19, 2020, 04:26:34 PM
A progressive candidate in the Democratic Party? Why do you say that?You're right. There are basically two different parties split within the democratic party now. Dems try to keep the progressive under their wing, but they really just try to placate them so they can nominate machine candidates.
It seemed to me like Bernie lost traction this election cycle and there’s a clear ideological divide between progressives and the rest of the party. I don’t see a candidate that would excite anyone beyond AOC. Gillum and Abrams were hot tickets in 2018 and have fallen off the map. Beto was a flash in the pan. And AOC is more polarizing than Bernie and too young/inexperienced. I don’t get why we wouldn’t see a repeat of the 2016/2020 primaries.
However, I think progressive policies as a whole are gaining popularity, and younger voters are more pissed off and progressive. Sure, you can say that every year, but between the coronavirus killing off a fraction of older voters, younger voters moving further from the center, and potentially a new candidate less polarizing than Bernie, there's a chance. I didn't say it would happen, just said maybe it would happen.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 06:34:50 PM
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Tulsi Gabbard announced Thursday that she will suspend her 2020 Democratic presidential campaign and endorsed Joe Biden.
Possibly a more pointless campaign than Steyer
Post by: Pope on March 19, 2020, 06:50:42 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 19, 2020, 07:35:31 PM
Is it possible to bet against Biden getting the nod? If he gets Covid19 and dies or somethingTulsi wins by default after both old farts die.
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2020, 02:39:18 PM
https://twitter.com/markos/status/1241047349029289990?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 02:53:23 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 20, 2020, 02:57:21 PM
Seriously though, where is Joe Biden?Getting his teeth whitened.
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2020, 03:24:07 PM
A progressive candidate in the Democratic Party? Why do you say that?Sanders had the largest base when the field was still wide, it took concerted, directed consolidation behind Biden to beat him. And nobody really wanted Biden when there were other options in his lane. He probably wouldn't have won a state outside the bible belt if Pete and Klob kept running.
It seemed to me like Bernie lost traction this election cycle and there’s a clear ideological divide between progressives and the rest of the party. I don’t see a candidate that would excite anyone beyond AOC. Gillum and Abrams were hot tickets in 2018 and have fallen off the map. Beto was a flash in the pan. And AOC is more polarizing than Bernie and too young/inexperienced. I don’t get why we wouldn’t see a repeat of the 2016/2020 primaries.
He barely campaigns, he makes the bare minimum amount of public or TV appearances, and the primary electorate at large has unfortunately convinced itself "he's the best shot to beat Trump because he's electable, and he's electable because he's the best shot to beat Trump."
My hope was that Sanders would maintain his plurality in a large field, go into the convention with the most delegates, and I really do believe the vast majority of D voters would have fallen in line once he was the nominee. The people who would vote for a rock if it had a (D) on it don't need to be pandered to, but that group increased its turnout the most in this primary. The anti-Sanders ideology is overrepresented in party leadership and media. Pete and Klob dropping out after the kind of performances they had in the first 4 states was unprecedented, and it's obvious they were pressured to do so.
There are things the Sanders campaign could have done better, but organizationally I do think they did a better job than in 2016. Based on exit polling the biggest factor was age, with the dividing line being around 45-50 years of age. Sanders handily won the age groups under it and Biden won everyone older. The electorate just didn't change enough in 4 years to help Sanders in that regard.
So here we are, with the party propping up a guy whose only 2 selling points are "Obama's friend" and "not Trump." He seems often confused, has a history of bad political judgement, is so moderate that he leaves enough room for Trump to believably outflank him to the left on multiple issues. He has all of Clinton's bad qualities and none of her good ones, and is running against a stronger incumbent Trump in 2020 than the long shot one from 2016.
In conclusion, if they think this is their best bet against Trump,(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200320/22be47a4535dca94571ebf6ddf9ae71d.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 08:11:08 AM
Seriously though, where is Joe Biden?
They just keeping him on ice till this blows over?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 08:15:36 AM
Sanders had the largest base when the field was still wide, it took concerted, directed consolidation behind Biden to beat him. And nobody really wanted Biden when there were other options in his lane. He probably wouldn't have won a state outside the bible belt if Pete and Klob kept running.
He barely campaigns, he makes the bare minimum amount of public or TV appearances, and the primary electorate at large has unfortunately convinced itself "he's the best shot to beat Trump because he's electable, and he's electable because he's the best shot to beat Trump."
My hope was that Sanders would maintain his plurality in a large field, go into the convention with the most delegates, and I really do believe the vast majority of D voters would have fallen in line once he was the nominee. The people who would vote for a rock if it had a (D) on it don't need to be pandered to, but that group increased its turnout the most in this primary. The anti-Sanders ideology is overrepresented in party leadership and media. Pete and Klob dropping out after the kind of performances they had in the first 4 states was unprecedented, and it's obvious they were pressured to do so.
There are things the Sanders campaign could have done better, but organizationally I do think they did a better job than in 2016. Based on exit polling the biggest factor was age, with the dividing line being around 45-50 years of age. Sanders handily won the age groups under it and Biden won everyone older. The electorate just didn't change enough in 4 years to help Sanders in that regard.
So here we are, with the party propping up a guy whose only 2 selling points are "Obama's friend" and "not Trump." He seems often confused, has a history of bad political judgement, is so moderate that he leaves enough room for Trump to believably outflank him to the left on multiple issues. He has all of Clinton's bad qualities and none of her good ones, and is running against a stronger incumbent Trump in 2020 than the long shot one from 2016.
In conclusion, if they think this is their best bet against Trump,(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200320/22be47a4535dca94571ebf6ddf9ae71d.jpg)
Here’s my question: the scenario in your first paragraph, what prevents that from happening in the next cycle? It’s pretty clear the DNC will do whatever they have to to keep a progressive candidate from getting the nomination.
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2020, 03:30:38 PM
Here’s my question: the scenario in your first paragraph, what prevents that from happening in the next cycle? It’s pretty clear the DNC will do whatever they have to to keep a progressive candidate from getting the nomination.Honestly depends on who the next crops of candidates are in 4, 8, 12 years, and who is shaping the party in the meantime. There's not really a satisfying answer to your question.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2020, 03:51:38 PM
Honestly depends on who the next crops of candidates are in 4, 8, 12 years, and who is shaping the party in the meantime. There's not really a satisfying answer to your question.
Realistic answer
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2020, 12:35:32 AM
I assume Warren, Klobuchar and Buttigieg will run again. Whoever Biden picks as his VP will also be one of the favorites (Stacey Abrams?). I'm sure other candidates will emerge as well. Kamala, Beto and others may improve their stocks as well.
The real question is where the Bernie voters will go. Some will go for Warren. The rest will probably prop up a new candidate, and if that candidate is dynamic enough, maybe he/she can make a run. I don't know enough about who the rising stars would be.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 23, 2020, 12:47:57 AM
I'm not sure if Biden will want to go the full 8 years. He hinted at that earlier. My guess is that once he gets that power, he wants to keep it, but I don't think he's dying to be president, especially when he would be age 82-86.
I assume Warren, Klobuchar and Buttigieg will run again. Whoever Biden picks as his VP will also be one of the favorites (Stacey Abrams?). I'm sure other candidates will emerge as well. Kamala, Beto and others may improve their stocks as well.
The real question is where the Bernie voters will go. Some will go for Warren. The rest will probably prop up a new candidate, and if that candidate is dynamic enough, maybe he/she can make a run. I don't know enough about who the rising stars would be.
I do think the Corona thing will move a lot of people to the left
I don't think it'll stop Trump from beating Biden.
But in the following election I'll definitely expect there to be a lot of people who want bigger government control and social programs
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2020, 11:56:17 AM
If he happens to win, it'll be very much like one of those years where an NFL team has a bunch of shitty contracts they just cut bait on and have a giant pile of dead money. We'll be better off in the long run, but we'll have to wait a while.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2020, 06:24:58 AM
Seriously though, where is Joe Biden?
https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200324008051320
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 11:48:24 AM
Try again dems lol
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 25, 2020, 01:37:16 PM
I didn't previously believe America was ready or willing to see overwhelming change. Now? At least from my position, I'm more and more ready every day.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 25, 2020, 02:47:23 PM
The longer this virus thing goes on and gets worse, and the reactions continue from Trump and his elite section of America in terms of getting back to work at all costs, the more I become a Bernie fan.Americans clearly want to see change. Obama platform was Hope and Change. Trump platform was "Let's freak up the government."
I didn't previously believe America was ready or willing to see overwhelming change. Now? At least from my position, I'm more and more ready every day.
I think Bernie may have been able to win if the coronavirus hysteria started a few months earlier.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 25, 2020, 03:17:02 PM
Americans clearly want to see change. Obama platform was Hope and Change. Trump platform was "Let's freak up the government."
I think Bernie may have been able to win if the coronavirus hysteria started a few months earlier.
bernie may end up being the candidate by default if joe biden is dead
where the fck is joe biden. within the past week all he's said/done is release a one minute video uttering the word 'families' over an over again
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2020, 03:42:48 PM
bernie may end up being the candidate by default if joe biden is deadPlot twist: Obama will be his VP.
where the fck is joe biden. within the past week all he's said/done is release a one minute video uttering the word 'families' over an over again
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 03:49:21 PM
he doesnt think we need more debates.
https://www.axios.com/joe-biden-had-enough-debates-bernie-sanders-f2722667-1192-48cc-815e-860c023d131d.html
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Former Vice President Joe Biden said during a virtual press briefing on Wednesday that he believes the Democratic Party has "had enough debates" and "should get on with this.
so its pretty clear joe just wandered away from the bus and they couldnt find him for 4 days. this senile lover of the older lady is gonna get freaking embarrassed by a riled up trump on speed if trump dosent cancel the election
Post by: reuben on March 25, 2020, 03:51:51 PM
Seriously though, where is Joe Biden?
He's got a brilliant, inspiring, "nothing to fear but fear itself" speech ready to broadcast but he's been trying to set up the microphone on this dag-blasted nintendo for two weeks now.
Post by: IATA on March 25, 2020, 06:35:57 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2020, 10:16:44 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 01:19:40 PM
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Former Vice President Joe Biden is facing a new sexual assault allegation, from a woman named Tara Reade, who says she has been trying to share her story since 1993 when it allegedly happened. Reade’s allegation comes in the midst of Biden’s surging presidential campaign and is consistent with other stories women have shared about their discomfort with the way Biden has touched them.
Reade was a staff assistant for Joe Biden in 1993, when she claims he digitally raped her. She told part of her story in 2019, when Lucy Flores wrote in The Cut about the inappropriate way Biden smelled her hair and kissed the top of her head. At the time, several other women came forward to say that Biden had touched them in ways that made them uncomfortable, including Reade, who said that Biden used to put his hands on her shoulders and run his fingers up and down her neck. Now, she has detailed what she says is the entirety of her experience with Biden on The Katie Halper Show.
According to Reade, Biden pressed her up against a wall and digitally penetrated her without her consent. “It happened all at once, and then… his hands were on me and underneath my clothes,” she says. She also remembers him asking “do you want to go somewhere else?” and then, when she had pulled away, “Come on, man, I heard you liked me.” Reade says that “everything shattered” in that moment and his claim that he thought she liked him made her feel like she had “done this” somehow. “I looked up to him, he was my father’s age. He was this champion of women’s rights in my eyes,” she says. “I wanted to be a senator; I didn’t want to sleep with one.”
Following her accusations against Biden, reports from Ryan Grim at The Intercept detailed all the ways Reade was stonewalled in telling her story — including from Time’s Up, the high-profile organization founded to help survivors tell their stories in the midst of the #MeToo movement, which is housed within the National Women’s Law Center. According to Grim’s reporting, Reade asked for help from the organization in January of this year, but she was told they could not help her because it would jeopardize their non-profit status due to the fact that he was a presidential candidate.
“As a nonprofit 501(c)(3) charitable organization, the National Women’s Law Center is restricted in how it can spend its funds, including restrictions that pertain to candidates running for election,” NWLC spokesperson, Maria Patrick, told The Intercept. It was also revealed in the same story that “the public relations firm that works on behalf of the Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund is SKDKnickerbocker, whose managing director, Anita Dunn, is the top adviser to Biden’s presidential campaign.”
Reade’s accusation has opened up discourse on social media about why the mainstream media is ignoring the story. “I don’t understand why the extremely serious sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden are not getting significant attention outside of left media,” tweeted Vox Senior Correspondent Zack Beauchamp.
There were no witnesses to Reade’s assault, but she told The Intercept that she’d spoken to a close friend, as well as her brother, at the time of the alleged assault, and both have confirmed this with The Intercept. Reade said Thursday morning on Rising on Hill TV Live that she’s waited so long to speak publicly about what happened because she was afraid of retaliation, and also because back then she “didn’t have the framework” to understand what had happened to her.
#BelieveWomen doesn’t really work when you get to pick and choose who to believe
Read somewhere that she claims to be Putin’s secret girlfriend. She’s got the Biden hairsniffing MO down pat though so her story is ironclad in my book.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2020, 01:28:12 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Uhh
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 31, 2020, 09:47:17 AM
https://twitter.com/pamkeithfl/status/1244515919608545280?s=21
Uhh
her response to the criticism of that tweet is to blame it on bernie supporters
these people are sick
Post by: Badger on March 31, 2020, 11:36:36 AM
her response to the criticism of that tweet is to blame it on bernie supporters(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200331/6fdabfcd45674553850d312eb572393c.jpg)
these people are sick
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 11:49:45 AM
#BelieveWomen doesn’t really work when you get to pick and choose who to believe
Read somewhere that she claims to be Putin’s secret girlfriend. She’s got the Biden hairsniffing MO down pat though so her story is ironclad in my book.
For a minute I thought he was being accused by the bitch from American Pie with all the bad plastic surgery, I can see Biden tying to hit that, like Stifflers Mom.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 02, 2020, 11:31:00 AM
more fckin scum
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 11:54:16 AM
mask off for alyssa milano and whoopi goldberg
more fckin scum
One has big funbags and herpes, the other only wishes.
Post by: delavan on April 02, 2020, 06:25:15 PM
mask off for alyssa milano and whoopi goldbergThose hypocrites.
more fckin scum
sounds like a case of good cock, bad cock.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2020, 05:19:45 PM
Got her
Post by: reuben on April 06, 2020, 05:28:44 PM
https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1247252442812690433?s=21
Got her
Charmed drama
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 06, 2020, 06:25:35 PM
https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1247252442812690433?s=21
Got her
mask off
all of 2020 so far, mask off
Post by: bojanglesman on April 08, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 08, 2020, 11:39:43 AM
Should be a fun 4 more years of the orange idiot.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 08, 2020, 01:04:18 PM
The replies in this thread whoooo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2020, 08:31:53 AM
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No other allegation about sexual assault surfaced in the course of our reporting, nor did any former Biden staff corroborate Reade’s allegation. We found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Biden, beyond hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable
@nytimes
a) They really typed this out and hit send
b)
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According to the United States Department of Justice, sexual assault is “any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient.”
Post by: bojanglesman on April 12, 2020, 09:19:54 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 12, 2020, 09:48:36 AM
So if someone that creepily into feet goes and gets a pedicure, is that like paying for unwilling/unknowing sex?
I could be mistaken, but people who are into feet are into other people's feet not their own
Will check with Rex for clarification
Post by: bojanglesman on April 12, 2020, 09:49:48 AM
I could be mistaken, but people who are into feet are into other people's feet not their owndcm's into feet.
Will check with Rex
What's the dead cap on a $40 pedicure?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2020, 11:38:54 AM
Holy excrement
Post by: dcm1602 on April 12, 2020, 11:56:14 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 12, 2020, 01:41:05 PM
So if someone that creepily into feet goes and gets a pedicure, is that like paying for unwilling/unknowing sex?oh great another Rex debate.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 14, 2020, 10:23:56 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 14, 2020, 12:39:50 PM
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2020, 01:35:01 PM
Post by: Gorilla on April 28, 2020, 01:55:48 PM
https://twitter.com/eyokley/status/1255185099689263104?s=19
No kidding.
I wish she would endorse Covid19, it'd be obsolete in no time.
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2020, 01:57:13 PM
No kidding.She actually sounded like she had it in her 2016 run
I wish she would endorse Covid19, it'd be obsolete in no time.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2020, 03:02:20 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 04, 2020, 04:09:59 AM
https://twitter.com/eyokley/status/1255185099689263104?s=19
Boss move getting Hills involved during this Tara Reade fiasco, she's an expert at slandering and silencing sexual assault victims.
I look forward to the same people equating an off-color joke that implies consent voting for a demented, bonafide predator.
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2020, 06:12:54 AM
Boss move getting Hills involved during this Tara Reade fiasco, she's an expert at slandering and silencing sexual assault victims.Blue MAGA is way ahead of you on that, they've gone completely insane.
I look forward to the same people equating an off-color joke that implies consent voting for a demented, bonafide predator.
You guys shot your wad early on labeling run of the mill opposition as TDS, you were barely scratching the surface.
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2020, 06:54:54 PM
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1257810561171107842?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 06, 2020, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 06, 2020, 09:36:42 PM
https://twitter.com/kategardiner/status/1258073620301185025?s=21
I can respect this way more than the dems who insist you must always believe sexual assault victims.
Except the one accusing Joe Biden
Post by: Badger on May 06, 2020, 10:52:25 PM
I can respect this way more than the dems who insist you must always believe sexual assault victims.
Strawman you've built aside, anyone who was saying that was clearly lying. They think Tara Reade is a political football because that's all Christine Blasey Ford was to them. Pure projection.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 06, 2020, 11:40:56 PM
https://twitter.com/kategardiner/status/1258073620301185025?s=21
lmfao. unreal levels of cognitive dissonance on multiple fronts
i hate people
Post by: Jumbo on May 07, 2020, 12:23:08 AM
I can respect this way more than the dems who insist you must always believe sexual assault victims.
Except the one accusing Joe Biden
This is the exact opposite of respectable lol
If someone's gonna have a excrement standard of proof they should at least be consistent with their application/desired outcome
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 07:19:13 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 07, 2020, 11:04:48 AM
By any standard and measure of Biden's actual merits, he's awful candidate and a bad human being, and he needs to offer something better than "not Trump" to get the votes needed to win.
Which is why we're staring at 4 more years of this clown shoes administration
Post by: dcm1602 on May 07, 2020, 12:35:38 PM
This is the exact opposite of respectable lol
If someone's gonna have a excrement standard of proof they should at least be consistent with their application/desired outcome
Well I was going more along the lines of their thinking being. I believe that Biden sexually assaulted a woman, yet he's still a better human being than Trump so I'll vote for him.
Rather than I always believe a sexually assault victim (when it's convient for me)
Post by: dcm1602 on May 07, 2020, 12:37:39 PM
By any standard and measure of Biden's actual merits, he's awful candidate and a bad human being, and he needs to offer something better than "not Trump" to get the votes needed to win.
Isn't "not Bush" the entirity of the Dems campaign in 2008 and it worked very well for them?
Post by: Jumbo on May 07, 2020, 12:42:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 12:42:52 PM
Well I was going more along the lines of their thinking being. I believe that Biden sexually assaulted a woman, yet he's still a better human being than Trump so I'll vote for him.
Rather than I always believe a sexually assault victim (when it's convient for me)
These are essentially the same thing
Post by: delavan on May 07, 2020, 04:48:07 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 07, 2020, 06:28:37 PM
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 08:17:53 PM
Isn't "not Bush" the entirity of the Dems campaign in 2008 and it worked very well for them?Didn't work in 04.
Also I'll let you figure out what was different about '08's Dem candidate.
Edit: decided not to risk you trying to figure it out: people were excited to vote for the first black president and he campaigned as a progressive
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 08:22:48 PM
It is both stunning and not at all surprising to me that in 3.5 years of having Donald Trump as POTUS the Democratic party somehow still couldn't find someone universally more appealing than Trump.
Unfortunately dragged down by people voting for who they imagine some undecided voter might like. The myth of "electability".
M4A polled with a majority or plurality in favor in every single primary state up until the whole primary became a farce (stopped keeping track of this after that). And yet they voted for one of the people most dedicated to preventing it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 07, 2020, 08:23:54 PM
2008, they got a candidate that energized the base, even though he was actually pretty moderate.
2020, they're going back to what didn't work in 2004.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 07, 2020, 08:26:06 PM
The amazing thing is that Biden's campaign looked dead for a while. Then he got that guy in South Carolina to endorse him, he dominated in SC, and then everyone just jumped onto the Biden train. When Pete and Amy coalesced around Biden, while Warren was still running her campaign through Super Tuesday, it was over then.
Unfortunately dragged down by people voting for who they imagine some undecided voter might like. The myth of "electability".
M4A polled with a majority or plurality in favor in every single primary state up until the whole primary became a farce (stopped keeping track of this after that). And yet they voted for one of the people most dedicated to preventing it.
Electability was obviously the biggest talking point, but I think even more than electability, people just voted for whom they had heard of. Biden is the biggest name in the Democratic race. People think they know him. That's the other big reason he won is name recognition and familiarity.
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 08:54:28 PM
The amazing thing is that Biden's campaign looked dead for a while. Then he got that guy in South Carolina to endorse him, he dominated in SC, and then everyone just jumped onto the Biden train. When Pete and Amy coalesced around Biden, while Warren was still running her campaign through Super Tuesday, it was over then.
Electability was obviously the biggest talking point, but I think even more than electability, people just voted for whom they had heard of. Biden is the biggest name in the Democratic race. People think they know him. That's the other big reason he won is name recognition and familiarity.
Biden was always going to win the bible belt states though... it got pumped way up by the media. He basically got $75M free advertising for 3 days straight going into Super Tuesday.
Bernie got the most votes in Iowa, the media story was Pete
Bernie got the most votes in NH, the media story was Pete
Bernie got the most votes in NV, the media story was "Castro stole my family's slaves"
Biden wins a single red state and they pivot to "Biden is inevitable and any criticism of him is helping Trump"
Pete/Amy dropping out prematurely and Warren not following suit iced it.
It is of course a candidate's job to figure out how to appeal to voters, so it's generally not helpful to blame voters for not voting the way you want them to, but people like JE have already preemptively assigned blame to Bernie voters if Trump is reelected, so it's only fair to excrement on the people responsible for putting a dementia-riddled rape mummy on the top of the ticket.
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2020, 08:57:46 PM
It is of course a candidate's job to figure out how to appeal to voters, so it's generally not helpful to blame voters for not voting the way you want them to, but people like JE have already preemptively assigned blame to Bernie voters if Trump is reelected, so it's only fair to excrement on the people responsible for putting a dementia-riddled rape mummy on the top of the ticket.
If Trump is reelected I will hold the people who voted for him responsible, which is unsatisfying as they're too ignorant, too partisan or too flat out self centred to actually feel the shame that they should for doing so. I will be very disappointed in anyone who doesn't want Trump to win who doesn't vote for the only electable alternative.
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 08:59:15 PM
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 09:00:34 PM
If Trump is reelected I will hold the people who voted for him responsible, which is unsatisfying as they're too ignorant, too partisan or too flat out self centred to actually feel the shame that they should for doing so. I will be very disappointed in anyone who doesn't want Trump to win who doesn't vote for the only electable alternative.If I lived in a swing state I'd vote for Biden out of craven self interest and feel disgusted, but living in NY frees me from having to stoop that low.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 09:01:27 PM
When Pete and Amy coalesced around Biden
Interesting choice of words, I would use colluded
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 07, 2020, 09:03:34 PM
If I lived in a swing state I'd vote for Biden out of craven self interest and feel disgusted, but living in NY frees me from having to stoop that low.I've been trying to sell my buddy on voting Biden over nobody/3rd party for a bit, but once he brought up the "I live in California" trump card, I stopped caring. Voting only matters in a couple of states, and New York and California are not among them.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 09:10:57 PM
If I lived in a swing state I'd vote for Biden out of craven self interest and feel disgusted, but living in NY frees me from having to stoop that low.
Deez Nuts 2020 babbie
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 09:18:57 PM
Deez Nuts 2020 babbieThe most satisfying vote I could cast would be if Jesse Ventura got the Green nomination.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 09:31:04 PM
The most satisfying vote I could cast would be if Jesse Ventura got the Green nomination.
Is that a thing
Post by: Jumbo on May 07, 2020, 09:37:58 PM
Post by: delavan on May 07, 2020, 09:47:03 PM
The most satisfying vote I could cast would be if Jesse Ventura got the Green nomination.A friendly reminder (from a fellow NY'er): you can always take the progressive route a step beyond Jessie this November:
https://www.cpusa.org/article/enough-cp-statement-on-2020-elections/
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We urge all progressive and socialist-minded people to bring these issues to the candidates at their rallies and town hall meetings. Register voters everywhere. Participate in GOTV activities like knocking on doors, calling voters, and driving people to the polls. Come November, let’s pull out a massive voter turnout of youth, women, and people of color, union members, LGBTQ folks, and everyone to defeat Trump and his gang. Let’s move our country forward.
Post by: delavan on May 07, 2020, 09:51:12 PM
Vote Vermin Supreme 2020Pony up America!
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 09:52:23 PM
A friendly reminder (from a fellow NY'er): you can always take the progressive route a step beyond Jessie this November:I plan on supporting good down ballot candidates. I'm just not lifting a finger for Biden.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/enough-cp-statement-on-2020-elections/
Post by: mj2sexay on May 07, 2020, 09:58:44 PM
If Trump is reelected I will hold the people who voted for him responsible, which is unsatisfying as they're too ignorant, too partisan or too flat out self centred to actually feel the shame that they should for doing so. I will be very disappointed in anyone who doesn't want Trump to win who doesn't vote for the only electable alternative.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Post by: delavan on May 07, 2020, 10:02:00 PM
I plan on supporting good down ballot candidates. I'm just not lifting a finger for Biden.
I wouldn't 'lift anything' for Biden's finger..
Post by: Jumbo on May 07, 2020, 10:13:50 PM
Pony up America!
Not a huge fan of the pony-based economy but I'm all in on zombie apocalypse awareness and time travel research
Post by: dcm1602 on May 07, 2020, 11:53:08 PM
If Trump is reelected I will hold the people who voted for him responsible, which is unsatisfying as they're too ignorant, too partisan or too flat out self centred to actually feel the shame that they should for doing so. I will be very disappointed in anyone who doesn't want Trump to win who doesn't vote for the only electable alternative.
I mean to be fair if Trump wins, I'd imagine the democrats chance of winning in 4 years goes up, and the chances of getting a true progressive that (progressives get) gets people excited about in office.
I guess it's a question of whether you'd be content not having a real progressive in the white house for (at least) 8 years or if they're willing to have a shitty progressive just to not deal with 4 years of Trump.
I'd imagine that there's a decent amount of democrats would prefer to have Trump in the white house for 4 more years if it meant someone like Obama would end up in the White house in 4 years vs 8 years of Biden/and or a Republican in 2024
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 08, 2020, 12:38:58 AM
I mean to be fair if Trump wins, I'd imagine the democrats chance of winning in 4 years goes up, and the chances of getting a true progressive that (progressives get) gets people excited about in office.I don't think it will happen because it never happens, but Biden has to be one of the most likely presidents to NOT seek a 2nd term. Biden seemed somewhat reluctant to run in the first place, he's very old, he's clearly slipping a little, maybe there are more sexual assault issues, and his campaign already floated the idea of him only running for 1 term.
I guess it's a question of whether you'd be content not having a real progressive in the white house for (at least) 8 years or if they're willing to have a shitty progressive just to not deal with 4 years of Trump.
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I'd imagine that there's a decent amount of democrats would prefer to have Trump in the white house for 4 more years if it meant someone like Obama would end up in the White house in 4 years vs 8 years of Biden/and or a Republican in 2024
Zero democrats would take this trade. No democrat wants Trump in office. Period.
The only people on the left who would consider taking 4 more years of Trump for their candidate in 2024 are extreme progressives. And Obama was not that progressive. That is the biggest myth about Obama - he is rather centrist, but he is just packaged differently.
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2020, 05:27:03 AM
(https://i.redd.it/vbak06gm8gx41.png)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 08, 2020, 06:41:38 AM
Deez Nuts 2020 babbieRic Flair 2024. Wooo!!
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2020, 04:53:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 13, 2020, 09:31:51 AM
Obamagate!
Post by: Badger on May 13, 2020, 09:56:42 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1260561967573602321?s=21"This is the stupidest day in American history, a record that will be broken by every subsequent day in American history." remaining an ironclad mantra
Obamagate!
Post by: Badger on May 13, 2020, 09:59:37 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200513/9e032275c4c79ed0865c54421ce9a54c.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 13, 2020, 10:07:13 AM
https://kotaku.com/political-consultant-suggests-rallying-dems-with-giant-1843393918I remember when cnn tried to do holograms back in 2008. So weird.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200513/9e032275c4c79ed0865c54421ce9a54c.jpg)
(https://i.gifer.com/3dik.gif)
Post by: Badger on May 13, 2020, 10:32:52 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 13, 2020, 10:47:07 AM
That's an apt observation given the Biden campaign slogan is Make America '08 AgainWobama 2020
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2020, 07:33:44 AM
https://twitter.com/KThomasDC/status/1261121512154808321?s=20
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 15, 2020, 08:03:51 AM
Permission from Scranton Joe himself
https://twitter.com/KThomasDC/status/1261121512154808321?s=20
Dafuq?
Also is he really from Scranton
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 15, 2020, 08:04:34 AM
This explains so much
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2020, 08:06:01 AM
Dafuq?Born there, moved at age 10
Also is he really from Scranton
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 15, 2020, 08:09:24 AM
Very nice people. Just a different world over there.
Just this Christmas, my Dad told me that everyone from Scranton calls Green Peppers, Mangos. (“Well what the freak did you call a Mango?” “We didn’t have those”)
He also told me about Halloween in Scranton. Apparently you could go for 2 nights- Halloween and the night before, you say “Do you want any Halloweeners” instead of Trick or Treat, you have to then go in to the strangers house and then recite a Halloween poem or song. And then they give you freaking change instead of candy.
I couldn’t help think the entire time that my Dad was just trolling me, but it fits in with everything else he’s told me about Scranton.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 15, 2020, 09:52:56 AM
I feel like 2008 when we're stuck trying to crawl into the playoffs with Favre and his decomposing arm.
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 09:59:10 AM
Someone please get some scotch tape to hold Biden together until November. Just kidnap him out of public eye until then. Or just put up a cardboard cutout of him at the debates to let Trump blabber on with.
I feel like 2008 when we're stuck trying to crawl into the playoffs with Favre and his decomposing arm.
Just let Biden sniff Pelosi's hair and funbags, and he'll be good as new.
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2020, 10:05:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 10:09:43 AM
In my experience Scranton is a perfectly fine little city to drive past on I-81 with a number of decent chinese buffets right off the highway.
fictional paper companies like Dunder Mifflin add to the Scranton appeal as well.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 15, 2020, 10:37:05 AM
Just let Biden sniff Pelosi's hair and funbags, and he'll be good as new.Everyone needs a little hair of the funbags after a rough night/decade.
Post by: delavan on May 15, 2020, 12:51:31 PM
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2020, 10:09:08 AM
Post by: Badger on May 20, 2020, 11:36:21 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 22, 2020, 08:08:45 AM
Uhhhh
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2020, 08:36:22 AM
https://twitter.com/jnthn_lckwd/status/1263816681274486784?s=21Jesus christ
Uhhhh
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2020, 08:44:04 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 22, 2020, 08:46:30 AM
Jesus christ
feel the bern
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2020, 11:29:51 AM
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/amy-klobuchar-vore-comic/
(https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Amy-Klobuchar-Vore-Comic.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2020, 11:32:39 AM
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2020, 11:54:28 AM
Well that's....something.GGGN
Post by: MBGreen on May 22, 2020, 11:56:04 AM
Well that's....something.It’s on the Otto Pleasure Palace menu
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2020, 12:00:13 PM
GGGN?
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2020, 12:00:28 PM
?4th panel sound effect
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2020, 12:01:33 PM
4th panel sound effect? Tried to google. I'm out of the loop.
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2020, 01:44:36 PM
? Tried to google. I'm out of the loop.It's the sound effect the artist chose for Amy's diaper-filling grunt(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200522/c9d7d0fc60c44c600921930cfa4789b3.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2020, 01:48:19 PM
I saw this and now you have to see it tooOh, I see that now, missed it. Duh.
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/amy-klobuchar-vore-comic/
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Post by: reuben on May 22, 2020, 04:39:10 PM
I saw this and now you have to see it too
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/amy-klobuchar-vore-comic/
(https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Amy-Klobuchar-Vore-Comic.jpg)
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Post by: Badger on May 26, 2020, 08:02:50 AM
Post by: Pope on May 26, 2020, 02:48:44 PM
Pope is gonna vote for Biden so he can use the n word(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200526/4a8b7532d9e0c99b1d8122c967650b37.jpg)In a heartbeat
Post by: reuben on May 27, 2020, 05:44:39 PM
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2020, 05:45:18 PM
https://www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/m7je3b/tara-reade-is-now-being-investigated-for-allegedly-lying-on-the-witness-stand (https://www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/m7je3b/tara-reade-is-now-being-investigated-for-allegedly-lying-on-the-witness-stand)Cool smears
Post by: Johnny English on May 27, 2020, 05:57:07 PM
Cool smears
https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-accuser-tara-reade-dropped-attorney-douglas-wigdor-expert-witness-reports
DNC-biased media outlet reporting how lefty pinko lawyer Wigdor abandoned poor Tara at her time of need.
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2020, 06:05:10 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-accuser-tara-reade-dropped-attorney-douglas-wigdor-expert-witness-reportsCool smears
DNC-biased media outlet reporting how lefty pinko lawyer Wigdor abandoned poor Tara at her time of need.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 28, 2020, 12:22:28 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 28, 2020, 12:31:29 PM
Can Mark Cuban please enter the race as a Republican so I can willfully vote against the Democratic party and not feel like I sold my soul?
Pretty sure that Cuban just likes teasing the idea but doesn't have any real intention of doing it. I'm also pretty sure that if he did run it wouldn't be under the umbrella of either party; like Trump he doesn't need them to create a public profile, unlike Trump he's both smart enough and rich enough to run a campaign on his own. There's no way he'd bend to the will of either party mechanism, the Republicans hate his social views and the Democrats would be scared of some his more libertarian positions, so I suspect both would prefer a candidate to be rather more malleable than him.
He'd be an interesting candidate but I don't think it's going to happen.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 28, 2020, 12:32:49 PM
Pretty sure that Cuban just likes teasing the idea but doesn't have any real intention of doing it. I'm also pretty sure that if he did run it wouldn't be under the umbrella of either party; like Trump he doesn't need them to create a public profile, unlike Trump he's both smart enough and rich enough to do it on his own. There's no way he'd bend to the will of either party mechanism, the Republican hate his social views and the Democrats would be scared of some his more libertarian positions, so I suspect both would prefer a candidate to be rather more malleable than him.
He'd be an interesting candidate but I don't think it's going to happen.
We really don't though.
Regarding one of Biden's possibly VP candidates, how long until this gets Klobuchar canceled?
https://www.mintpressnews.com/chief-prosecutor-amy-klobuchar-dismissed-charges-cop-killed-george-floyd/267933/?fbclid=IwAR3FGobpNpFmLtZs8ejyUgnFVEUJ4-8tnYqR92mbYLGN9BSWRmJF8qn0sE0
Post by: Johnny English on May 28, 2020, 12:51:19 PM
We really don't though.
OK, I should have been clearer than that. Some of his positions will be very difficult for large portions of the Republican voting base to swallow: he's pro choice, pro H4A, pro gay marriage, and pro tax increases (or at least, not anti tax increases in the right circumstances). I think he's a great sell for urban Republicans like you, especially with his libertarian principles, but I think he would be a bit more challenging in other areas. That said, there's a fair argument that even if they disagree with him lots of Republicans would just suck it up and vote for him anyway if he's wearing a red ribbon, and I do think he could get a lot of middle ground traction. He'd definitely be my kind of Republican.
I still don't think he'd particularly want to be part of any party machine that he didn't have complete control of though.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 28, 2020, 01:06:08 PM
OK, I should have been clearer than that. Some of his positions will be very difficult for large portions of the Republican voting base to swallow: he's pro choice, pro H4A, pro gay marriage, and pro tax increases (or at least, not anti tax increases in the right circumstances). I think he's a great sell for urban Republicans like you, especially with his libertarian principles, but I think he would be a bit more challenging in other areas. That said, there's a fair argument that even if they disagree with him lots of Republicans would just suck it up and vote for him anyway if he's wearing a red ribbon, and I do think he could get a lot of middle ground traction. He'd definitely be my kind of Republican.
I still don't think he'd particularly want to be part of any party machine that he didn't have complete control of though.
I highly doubt he'll run. I think the possibility could be calculated in basis points. But no 3rd party candidate is getting elected POTUS any time soon.
Cuban would never have a shot at the Dem ticket, so it would only make sense for him to run as a Republican. He's smart enough to not throw away money on a campaign he had no shot of completing, much less winning.
Could he win the conservative vote? Maybe, maybe not. But it wouldn't matter. Conservatives are never going to vote for Biden but even if conservatives stayed home, and all the Dems who hate Biden either voted against Joe or didn't vote, Cuban would win in a landslide.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 28, 2020, 01:35:33 PM
OK, I should have been clearer than that. Some of his positions will be very difficult for large portions of the Republican voting base to swallow: he's pro choice, pro H4A, pro gay marriage, and pro tax increases (or at least, not anti tax increases in the right circumstances). I think he's a great sell for urban Republicans like you, especially with his libertarian principles, but I think he would be a bit more challenging in other areas. That said, there's a fair argument that even if they disagree with him lots of Republicans would just suck it up and vote for him anyway if he's wearing a red ribbon, and I do think he could get a lot of middle ground traction. He'd definitely be my kind of Republican.
I still don't think he'd particularly want to be part of any party machine that he didn't have complete control of though.
Holy excrement, I didn't realize Cubes was 61. This is something that if he was ever going to do, you'd figure would be now or next cycle.
You're right of course about his social politics playing nationally. Marriage I don't think is as big an issue as most would think, but abortion is the big bugaboo.
I do wonder if Trump lost and he decided to run in 2024 what kind of desperation the evangelicals would be willing to reach. I don't think they'll forsake wanting a pro-life candidate though, so Cuban will have to pull the same "transformation" Trump did if he wants that block to come out in big numbers. FWIW, even though its not a very well conceptualized decision, until science says otherwise I'd like to stick with Roe, but I'm also just one person and as you noted, coastal. I'm not down south.
As far as sucking it up, I do think if he tapped into the same attitude as believe it or not Andrew Yang did where I think a lot of people on the right looked at him and said, "ehh I don't agree with him here, here, or here, but really really intelligent guy, passionate, seems to be getting into it for the right reasons" he's actually really palpable in a situation where Trump loses in 2020. Who's the crop of candidates in 2024? Marco Rubio? Ted Cruz? I'd throw my hat behind Rand if he got involved again, but the guy just doesn't have the charisma to carry a national audience. You can't run for President without a personality.
Post by: Johnny English on May 28, 2020, 02:01:36 PM
Holy excrement, I didn't realize Cubes was 61. This is something that if he was ever going to do, you'd figure would be now or next cycle.
You're right of course about his social politics playing nationally. Marriage I don't think is as big an issue as most would think, but abortion is the big bugaboo.
I do wonder if Trump lost and he decided to run in 2024 what kind of desperation the evangelicals would be willing to reach. I don't think they'll forsake wanting a pro-life candidate though, so Cuban will have to pull the same "transformation" Trump did if he wants that block to come out in big numbers. FWIW, even though its not a very well conceptualized decision, until science says otherwise I'd like to stick with Roe, but I'm also just one person and as you noted, coastal. I'm not down south.
As far as sucking it up, I do think if he tapped into the same attitude as believe it or not Andrew Yang did where I think a lot of people on the right looked at him and said, "ehh I don't agree with him here, here, or here, but really really intelligent guy, passionate, seems to be getting into it for the right reasons" he's actually really palpable in a situation where Trump loses in 2020. Who's the crop of candidates in 2024? Marco Rubio? Ted Cruz? I'd throw my hat behind Rand if he got involved again, but the guy just doesn't have the charisma to carry a national audience. You can't run for President without a personality.
The other thing to consider as well is that if Trump loses in November, the next Republican candidate is going to have to be very different in some ways. Cuban has the personal brand and the business credentials that played well for Trump in 2016 - moreso, in fact - but crucially he's squeaky clean and (as far as I know) highly principled. The next Republican candidate who has a whiff of impropriety about him is going to get attacked with "they're trying to give you Trump 2.0" and it will probably land. The only thing Cuban has been involved in as far as I'm aware is sexual harassment thing that happened with the Mavs, and I recall the response to the way he handled it as being very positive. I rather get the vibe that he actually is who he appears to be - a principled, successful businessman.
I'm doing a good job here of convincing myself that I want him to run as a Republican, TBH. I instinctively mistrust anything with the stench of Ayn Rand attached to it, but there's too much I actually like about Cuban.
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 11:32:57 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 11:57:17 PM
Can Mark Cuban please enter the race as a Republican so I can willfully vote against the Democratic party and not feel like I sold my soul?
You can always just write him in.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 28, 2020, 11:58:47 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 29, 2020, 12:22:49 AM
VP candidate should be Warren or Harris. Those two would be absolute monsters trolling Tr*mp for the months leading up to the election.Seems like Klobuchar, Warren and Harris were the 3 main candidates. And Klobuchar's chances died today, so it's likely Warren or Harris. I prefer Warren.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 12:37:58 AM
Seems like Klobuchar, Warren and Harris were the 3 main candidates. And Klobuchar's chances died today, so it's likely Warren or Harris. I prefer Warren.Also a big Warren fan. I don't think she was POTUS material but she's a great policy mind and is probably quite appealing to the Sanders base.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 29, 2020, 01:03:29 AM
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 07:30:30 AM
Warren? really great another 4 years of Trump.She's the least bad choice for anyone who cares about policy. Unfortunate baggage though.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 07:31:43 AM
VP candidate should be Warren or Harris. Those two would be absolute monsters trolling Tr*mp for the months leading up to the election.Don't hold your breath. For some reason people thought Warren was going to be some epic attack dog for Hillary in 16 and it fell totally flat and they shelved her.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 09:40:36 AM
Don't hold your breath. For some reason people thought Warren was going to be some epic attack dog for Hillary in 16 and it fell totally flat and they shelved her.
I'm hoping for Harris.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 29, 2020, 10:34:58 AM
Also a big Warren fan. I don't think she was POTUS material but she's a great policy mind and is probably quite appealing to the Sanders base.
her most recent and life acts have shown she will capitulate on any of her 'views' in the self interest of her career. if she becomes the VP to biden it will be with her bowing to Biden's and to the dem establishment's terms.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 10:39:06 AM
I'm hoping for Harris.There's not much to hope for there either. Biden nom is basically hope arsenic.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 10:40:25 AM
her most recent and life acts have shown she will capitulate on any of her 'views' in the self interest of her career. if she becomes the VP to biden it will be with her bowing to Biden's and to the dem establishment's terms.
The only reason for making her VP would be as a high powered wonk. It's not like she's going to bring a big voter base with her that Biden doesn't already have.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 10:46:34 AM
https://twitter.com/lnteGritty/status/1266359604851564544?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2020, 10:58:44 AM
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Post by: d sw0rdz on May 29, 2020, 11:00:41 AM
lisa ann acting as sarah palin is in the prime of the porn i have seen in my life
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 11:03:56 AM
Her daughter, sure she's a dickpincushion, but I'd impregnate and leave her as well.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 29, 2020, 11:12:58 AM
palin was such a fvckin milf
lisa ann acting as sarah palin is in the prime of the porn i have seen in my life
Somewhere out there is a guy who gets to brag about the fact that Lisa Ann was his prom date.
Or is deluded enough into thinking that going to the prom with a middle aged porn star is something to brag about, depending on where you stand on the matter.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 11:22:07 AM
palin was such a fvckin milfNailin' Palin should be in the Criterion Collection
lisa ann acting as sarah palin is in the prime of the porn i have seen in my life
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 11:22:13 AM
Somewhere out there is a guy who gets to brag about the fact that Lisa Ann was his prom date.
Or is deluded enough into thinking that going to the prom with a middle aged porn star is something to brag about, depending on where you stand on the matter.
still better than Kristen Stewart
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 29, 2020, 03:54:17 PM
The only reason for making her VP would be as a high powered wonk. It's not like she's going to bring a big voter base with her that Biden doesn't already have.Warren is at least somewhat of a bone to the more liberal wing of the democratic party. I'm voting Biden regardless, but I would feel a lot better about it with someone like Warren on the ticket whom I actually think is competent.
The current landscape makes a black VP candidate seem more likely, though Kamala has a lot of baggage when it comes to prosecutions and police. I thought Stacey Abrams was the favorite for the spot once Biden got the nomination, but it seemed like her momentum had completely stalled. Something like the Floyd murder could boost her candidacy.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2020, 04:32:05 PM
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Post by: Jumbo on May 29, 2020, 04:39:14 PM
Biden/Condoleeeeeeza 2020
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The Browns head coach?
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 04:40:07 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 05:14:54 PM
Warren is at least somewhat of a bone to the more liberal wing of the democratic party. I'm voting Biden regardless, but I would feel a lot better about it with someone like Warren on the ticket whom I actually think is competent.
Agreed, I was just meaning that unlike Bernie or even Buttigieg I don't think she comes with a tranche of supporters who would follow her everywhere. Maybe I'm wrong. I do think that her policy positions appeal to both of those candidates' bases and will help bring many of them out where they might otherwise be struggling with Biden. I think she's a really smart lady with a lot of really good ideas and principles who isn't very good at playing the stump game.
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The current landscape makes a black VP candidate seem more likely, though Kamala has a lot of baggage when it comes to prosecutions and police. I thought Stacey Abrams was the favorite for the spot once Biden got the nomination, but it seemed like her momentum had completely stalled. Something like the Floyd murder could boost her candidacy.
Maybe, but I think it's a little bit reductive and disingenuous to think that black voters will only vote for black candidates. For example, I don't think that many people would reasonably argue that Ben Carson is more supportive or understanding of the challenges facing poor black communities than Bernie Sanders. Warren and Sanders both came from pretty humble beginnings (as did Carson) relative to Abrams and particularly Harris.
Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 05:42:22 PM
If you're solely looking for a black person, I'd think Booker would be the better play.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2020, 05:52:20 PM
I don't think Kamala is the right type of black, she's a prosecutor and police supporter. Klobucher looks cooked now that it's come out she didn't do anything to the murderer in Minnesota, no way a black bootlicker does better.Boy he sucks. He's gonna fake outrage every day.
If you're solely looking for a black person, I'd think Booker would be the better play.
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Post by: IATA on May 29, 2020, 05:54:10 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 29, 2020, 05:59:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2020, 06:07:25 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 29, 2020, 08:58:37 PM
I quite like Booker as well, but I don't know him well enough to know if he'd be good VP material. He seems a bit centrist to be a good balance for Biden. Again I don't know if Biden needs a woman as VP for the same reason that I don't think he necessarily needs a POC as VP, and it's not like the opposition is providing anything more black or female as an option.I don't think it matters that much for vice president. I think what would matter more is policy, which is why I want Warren.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 09:16:09 PM
Post by: Badger on May 30, 2020, 09:34:00 AM
I think Booker would be a very good VP, but I think Biden has already pigeon-holed himself into picking a woman.He did it on purpose so Sanders wouldn't be an option.
"Sorry jack but I promised it would be a lady"
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2020, 08:16:30 AM
Woooooo!!!!
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Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2020, 08:59:04 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 09:02:56 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 01:57:21 PM
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 02:05:36 PM
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 10:58:39 AM
This was his response to Rodney King
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Sensing upcoming unrest, lawmakers in Washington began to act. In May 1991, Biden authored a Senate bill that would have provided greater protections to cops accused of misconduct. The " Police Officer's Bill of Rights Act" aimed at strengthening protections when law enforcement officers were accused of misconduct.
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The Police Officer's Bill of Rights never made it out of committee, although a modified version of its text was included in the Biden-Thurmond Violent Crime Control Act of 1991.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 05, 2020, 11:07:25 AM
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 11:08:43 AM
I enjoy the thought of Strom Thurmond burning in hell as these Civil War statues get torn downHell isn't real and his friend might become president
Post by: Heismanberg on June 05, 2020, 11:24:17 AM
Hell isn't real and his friend might become president
His friend should become president
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 05, 2020, 11:41:39 AM
His friend should become president
His friend must become president
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 12:21:43 PM
His friend should become president
His friend must become presidentGood luck with that
Post by: insanity on June 05, 2020, 12:25:07 PM
https://twitter.com/proudsocialist/status/1267504043649187840?s=21Jesus christ joe
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 12:27:46 PM
Jesus christ joe
On a semi-related note:
(https://i.imgur.com/AP14sEc.png)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 05, 2020, 12:32:52 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 12:38:40 PM
Jesus christ joeDid anyone listen to the clip? He said, "an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something". I don't see anything wrong with what he said except maybe some people might consider having a knife as being armed, but I think he's referring to armed as having a gun. If I were a cop and had a gun, and someone came at me with a knife I would shoot them in the leg. I mean I don't know any Chuck Norris moves to disarm them with my hands, and I doubt most people would take the chance on getting stabbed.
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 12:40:10 PM
Did anyone listen to the clip? He said, "an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something". I don't see anything wrong with what he said except maybe some people might consider having a knife as being armed, but I think he's referring to armed as having a gun. If I were a cop and had a gun, and someone came at me with a knife I would shoot them in the leg.
Realistically you'd be trained to shoot center mass no matter what
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 12:42:57 PM
Dick shot.
Realistically you'd be trained to shoot center mass no matter what
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 05, 2020, 12:45:12 PM
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an unarmed person comin' at 'em with a knife or something
-Joe Biden
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
Realistically you'd be trained to shoot center mass no matter what
Can confirm military teaches this for sentries. Batons tend to have more reach than a knife, though.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 12:49:19 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 12:57:37 PM
On a semi-related note:
(https://i.imgur.com/AP14sEc.png)
Louisville field office for the FBI is opening up their own investigation for this since the city and state have not prosecuted.
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 12:59:36 PM
If I were a cop and had a gun, and someone came at me with a knife I would shoot them in the leg.
I'm sure that some cops are highly proficient shots capable of keeping cool heads in the most stressful of situations, but I'm fairly sure there's also a decent proportion who couldn't hit a barn door from twenty yards.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 01:06:56 PM
I'm sure that some cops are highly proficient shots capable of keeping cool heads in the most stressful of situations, but I'm fairly sure there's also a decent proportion who couldn't hit a barn door from twenty yards.The argument was that it was wrong to shoot them at all. Forget about where the bullet goes.
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
The argument was that it was wrong to shoot them at all. Forget about where the bullet goes.
Right, I was responding to your assertion that you would shoot them in the leg if they had a knife, but the point is that a) that's pretty difficult for all but the most accomplished close quarters combat veteran to do, b) it's not going to be possible or helpful in an awful lot of situations, and c) there's not really any such thing as a non-lethal gun shot - shooting them in the leg gives you a reasonable chance of hitting their femoral artery.
I honestly don't have a problem with a cop shooting to kill if an assailant is coming at them with a deadly weapon, including a knife. Any bouncer will tell you that they're far more worried about knives than pretty much anything else, no matter how much bigger and stronger and proficient you are than your assailant there's still a very high possibility you're getting opened up in the process of overpowering and disarming them. If they're not armed, that's why you have tasers and batons and training.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 01:58:53 PM
Right, I was responding to your assertion that you would shoot them in the leg if they had a knife, but the point is that a) that's pretty difficult for all but the most accomplished close quarters combat veteran to do, b) it's not going to be possible or helpful in an awful lot of situations, and c) there's not really any such thing as a non-lethal gun shot - shooting them in the leg gives you a reasonable chance of hitting their femoral artery.I carry around an anesthetic at all times. Anyone who attacks me gets neutered. Vet Justice.
I honestly don't have a problem with a cop shooting to kill if an assailant is coming at them with a deadly weapon, including a knife. Any bouncer will tell you that they're far more worried about knives than pretty much anything else, no matter how much bigger and stronger and proficient you are than your assailant there's still a very high possibility you're getting opened up in the process of overpowering and disarming them. If they're not armed, that's why you have tasers and batons and training.
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 02:01:32 PM
I carry around an anesthetic at all times. Anyone who attacks me gets neutered. Vet Justice.
I feel like this would be the answer to so many of the world's problems.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 06, 2020, 07:47:43 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 06, 2020, 08:53:31 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1269086797226815490?s=21That video is edited all to hell to make him look bad. Below is a tweet that shows in red what they cut out to make him look terrible.
"A number of people have claimed that this video above is not edited. So I went and got the original video and transcribed it. On the left is the episode as originally broadcast. On the right, what they aired. Red is edited out. Green is added." https://t.co/TwN5irv0Q5
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Post by: d sw0rdz on June 06, 2020, 11:48:05 AM