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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on February 28, 2019, 07:02:49 AM
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"If there's an opportunity for us to move back and acquire more picks, that's definitely something we'd be potentially interested in." - GM Mike Maccagnan
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Maccagnan on potentially trading with the #Giants: "I'd be open to any team, as long as the trade made sense to us."
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trading down should be our top priority. I had this opinion in December, and i'll have it right up until April 25th.
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I've heard earlier on the radio that the Giants are still looking to trade OBJ... you anyone entertain the idea of 3 for 6 and Odell?
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I've heard earlier on the radio that the Giants are still looking to trade OBJ... you anyone entertain the idea of 3 for 6 and Odell?
The Giants wouldn't.
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I've heard earlier on the radio that the Giants are still looking to trade OBJ... you anyone entertain the idea of 3 for 6 and Odell?
I don’t think they’d trade Obj for our 1st, straight up.
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The Giants would trade Beckham to Dallas before the Jets.
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https://twitter.com/draftcountdown/status/1105667641497276420
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I’m on the trade back for Bradbury hype train
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I’m on the trade back for Bradbury hype train
Toot toot
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The Jets' 1st and 3rd for the Giants' two 1sts...
Draft Taylor and Bradbury. Profit.
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The Jets' 1st and 3rd for the Giants' two 1sts...
Draft Taylor and Bradbury. Profit.
This is Gettleman we're talking about. More like our 1st for both their 1sts and next year's 1st.
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This is Gettleman we're talking about. More like our 1st for both their 1sts and next year's 1st.
No Saquon?
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No Saquon?
We’ll sign him after they cut him next offseason
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This is Gettleman we're talking about. More like our 1st for both their 1sts and next year's 1st.
i deadass think we could legitimately get him to trade us his 2 firsts and a 2nd if it came down to a bidding war (which it may) for haskins. he is pompous and desperate enough to make that sort of move. the barrier to that would be whether giants ownership is okay with trading with the jets.
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I was thinking about this, any chance Arians doesn’t believe in Winston and would be looking to hop the raiders to secure a QB?
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i deadass think we could legitimately get him to trade us his 2 firsts and a 2nd if it came down to a bidding war (which it may) for haskins. he is pompous and desperate enough to make that sort of move. the barrier to that would be whether giants ownership is okay with trading with the jets.
Could you imagine if we slide down to 6 for #17 and next years #1, then parlay 17 to move down to 26 with Indy (who comes up to secure a weapon for Luck), which nets us 59 and 199.
Draft dreaming at the moment
1 - Murray
2 - Quinnen Williams
3 - Haskins
4 - Bosa
5 - Devin White
6 - Josh Allen
26 - Garret Bradbury
59 - Hakeem Butler
68 - Rock Ya Sin
93 - David Montgomery
105 - Beau Benzschawel
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Could you imagine if we slide down to 6 for #17 and next years #1, then parlay 17 to move down to 26 with Indy (who comes up to secure a weapon for Luck), which nets us 59 and 199.
Draft dreaming at the moment
1 - Murray
2 - Quinnen Williams
3 - Haskins
4 - Bosa
5 - Devin White
6 - Josh Allen
26 - Garret Bradbury
59 - Hakeem Butler
68 - Rock Ya Sin
93 - David Montgomery
105 - Beau Benzschawel
Mcshay mocked Rock Ya sin to the eagles at pick 25
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Mcshay mocked Rock Ya sin to the eagles at pick 25
Of all the day dreaming I was doing, that’s the one you decided was most out of line? Lol
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#Giants would explore a trade for Cardinals QB Josh Rosen if he is made available, per ESPN.
Not good
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/bengals-emerging-as-surprise-players-in-qb-market
Nothing here mentioning a trade up, but first speculation I’ve heard they’re in the market for a QB
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https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/bengals-emerging-as-surprise-players-in-qb-market
Nothing here mentioning a trade up, but first speculation I’ve heard they’re in the market for a QB
They are outside the “sweet spot” for a trade down for us. That said they could be this year’s Eagles or Bills, trade up into the top 10 and then up again to secure their man.
Eagles went all the way to 2. No idea what Cincy would need to give up to move up to 5 or 7 or 8 (with 8 being the lowest I would go) and then what they would have left to jump up to us.
The way I see it the following are the truly elite players in this draft
Bosa
Allen
Williams
Taylor
Metcalf
Which is why staying in the top 7 is key to me. But if we slide to 8 I would be willing to take a Burns or Sweat if all the non QBs are the previously listed players. But history shows at least one team does something unexpected.
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The #Jets are fielding phone calls for the No. 3 pick, obviously. They've made this abundantly clear & is normal this close to the draft.
Keep an eye on the #Redskins, I'm told. There have been some early talks.
Connor Hughes
Do not want, unless it’s trade rape
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Connor Hughes
Do not want, unless it’s trade rape
The Skins would have to put together a nice package to move up to 3.
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Connor Hughes
Do not want, unless it’s trade rape
Well it is the Redskins.
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Connor Hughes
Do not want, unless it’s trade rape
I would love to get a future first rounder from a shitty franchise. It makes it so much more fun to actively root against someone throughout the season.
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I've said for a while that I want to trade down and collect assets. Washington would need to give up a future 1st and a 2nd to get up to 3 probably and that would be enough for me for sure.
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There are a number of QB-needy teams between the Jets and Redskins. This sounds a bit like feeding information to a media person with the intent of drumming up interest from the other teams in the middle.
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There are a number of QB-needy teams between the Jets and Redskins. This sounds a bit like feeding information to a media person with the intent of drumming up interest from the other teams in the middle.
Sure but still I’m salivating at a franchise changing offer.
This was the rg3 trade from 6 to 2 in 2012
3 consecutive #1 picks
Current year #2
This was the rams for Goff in 2016 from 15 to 1
Present year #1 and 2 #2s 1 #3
Next years #1 and #3
Also received a 4 and a 6.
Anywhere close to Either offer is the best thing that could ever happen to our franchise
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Sure but still I’m salivating at a franchise changing offer.
This was the rg3 trade from 6 to 2 in 2012
3 consecutive #1 picks
Current year #2
This was the rams for Goff in 2016 from 15 to 1
Present year #1 and 2 #2s 1 #3
Next years #1 and #3
Also received a 4 and a 6.
Anywhere close to Either offer is the best thing that could ever happen to our franchise
Those QB drafts were much better
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Those QB drafts were much better
Of course, but a move to the spot requires a premium
Let’s say the Skins go from 15 to 3 for
15, 46, 76
2020 1 and 3
Way less value than above, but that haul could be franchise altering if we use it properly.
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Those QB drafts were much better
Maybe memory fails me, but I don't recall Goff being a hugely touted prospect at the time.
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Maybe memory fails me, but I don't recall Goff being a hugely touted prospect at the time.
He most definitely was
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I was pretty confident that of the Big Three, Paxton Lynch was the safest bet.
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I'm always a fan of trading down for more picks.
But I'm terrified of Maccagnan getting multiple 2s and screwing them up.
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An NFL executive told SNY's Ralph Vacchiano why he or she really thinks we're hearing about the Jets and Houston DT Ed Oliver right now.
"Interesting that this Oliver stuff (with the Jets) comes out right after we all hear that the Raiders might be in love with Oliver," the executive said. "Sounds to me like the Jets are trying to smoke Gruden and Mayock into trading up a spot."
1) Kyler
2) Quinnen
3) Swap spots with Oakland for literally anything
4) Bosa
5) Profit.
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I'm always a fan of trading down for more picks.
But I'm terrified of Maccagnan getting multiple 2s and screwing them up.
If he’s got them, our chances are better than if he doesn’t.
We have to acquire the picks and hope Macs the right guy if he isn’t we are screwed anyways
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If he’s got them, our chances are better than if he doesn’t.
We have to acquire the picks and hope Macs the right guy if he isn’t we are screwed anyways
And that's the point. I've been pretty vocally anti-Maccagnan.
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And that's the point. I've been pretty vocally anti-Maccagnan.
The second half of my statement is still very true. If we have the wrong guy we are fucked.
If someone is good they need less darts to throw at the board to get a high cumulative score. If someone is bad they need more darts to get the same results. Solid you give someone who is already good more darts, then they will score higher.
So either way the more darts we have to fling at the dart board the better our chances of getting some decent players is. Obviously some darts are worth a lot more. But I just think more picks is always going to be better
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The second half of my statement is still very true. If we have the wrong guy we are fucked.
If someone is good they need less darts to throw at the board to get a high cumulative score. If someone is bad they need more darts to get the same results. Solid you give someone who is already good more darts, then they will score higher.
So either way the more darts we have to fling at the dart board the better our chances of getting some decent players is. Obviously some darts are worth a lot more. But I just think more picks is always going to be better
John Idzik had two handfuls of darts and couldn't hit the board much less score. Giving a bad dart player more darts just increases the odds he'll hit an innocent bystander in the eye.
That said, I'm still in a wait-and-see pattern with Maccagnan. My hope is that Bowles and his staff had way too much influence on the players drafted the last 3 years and that now that Maccagnan and his scouts are in control, they'll make better choices.
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John Idzik had two handfuls of darts and couldn't hit the board much less score. Giving a bad dart player more darts just increases the odds he'll hit an innocent bystander in the eye.
That said, I'm still in a wait-and-see pattern with Maccagnan. My hope is that Bowles and his staff had way too much influence on the players drafted the last 3 years and that now that Maccagnan and his scouts are in control, they'll make better choices.
John Idzik is a glorified accountant with zero experience in scouting.
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John Idzik is a glorified accountant with zero experience in scouting.
And Mike Maccagnan is a very experienced scout who drafted Christian Hackenberg, ArDarius Stewart, Lorenzo Mauldin, and Bryce Petty.
I'll happily credit him, if and when he puts a playoff-caliber roster together. He'll always get props from me for getting Darnold, but he has to do enough with the rest of the roster to make sure Darnold isn't wasted.
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And Mike Maccagnan is a very experienced scout who drafted Christian Hackenberg, ArDarius Stewart, Lorenzo Mauldin, and Bryce Petty.
I'll happily credit him, if and when he puts a playoff-caliber roster together. He'll always get props from me for getting Darnold, but he has to do enough with the rest of the roster to make sure Darnold isn't wasted.
i like Duff more than Bradway and Idzik. But the bar isn't set very high either.
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And Mike Maccagnan is a very experienced scout who drafted Christian Hackenberg, ArDarius Stewart, Lorenzo Mauldin, and Bryce Petty.
I'll happily credit him, if and when he puts a playoff-caliber roster together. He'll always get props from me for getting Darnold, but he has to do enough with the rest of the roster to make sure Darnold isn't wasted.
It’s well-documented that the coaching staff (John Morton) asked for ArDarius Stewart.
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Not sure how anyone can use Bryce Petty against Maccagnan either.
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Not sure how anyone can use Bryce Petty against Maccagnan either.
Or even mauldin for that matter. It was a 3rd round pick. The guy was progressing then got injured multiple times
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i like Duff more than Bradway and Idzik. But the bar isn't set very high either.
Same here, and for that reason.
It’s well-documented that the coaching staff (John Morton) asked for ArDarius Stewart.
Right, which is why I keep mentioning that I hope the previous coaching staff just had way too much input into the picks, and that Maccagnan and his staff were hindered by that.
Not sure how anyone can use Bryce Petty against Maccagnan either.
You can make that argument with Hackenberg too. Even Mauldin. But if you view his track record overall it is far less impressive than if you focus solely on individual picks.
He's had 2 home runs in Adams and Darnold. He's had one really good pick in Williams, and one good pick in Lee. He also pulled Robbie Anderson out of UDFA. Apart from those picks, who is a really good one? Maye if stayed healthy. Jenkins is okay too. But has he made any other picks outside round 1 that were proof he can draft a playoff roster?
I hope he can. I'm just worried he can't.
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Or even mauldin for that matter. It was a 3rd round pick. The guy was progressing then got injured multiple times
Eh, I'd call Mauldin a legitimate miss. Not a Hackenberg-level, why-the-freak-did-we-just-pick-this-guy miss, but a miss.
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Washington beat writer:
Grant Paulsen @granthpaulsen
Just talked to a Redskins source who told me Dan Snyder has "taken over the first round of the draft."
The last time that happened the Redskins traded two future No. 1's and a No. 2 to move up for Robert Griffin.
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/mb6PqXxtfdmZW/giphy.gif)
The more control Dan Snyder exerts over his team, the more I want one of his future draft picks.
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All right, hypothetical top 5 time. The following players are off the board when the Jets are on the clock at 15:
Nick Bosa
Ed Oliver
Kyler Murray
Quinnen Williams
Dwayne Haskins
Josh Allen
Devin White
Brian Burns
Jawaan Taylor
Jonah Williams
Noah Fant
DK Metcalf
TJ Hockenson
Byron Murphy
Who are your top five?
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All right, hypothetical top 5 time. The following players are off the board when the Jets are on the clock at 15:
Nick Bosa
Ed Oliver
Kyler Murray
Quinnen Williams
Dwayne Haskins
Josh Allen
Devin White
Brian Burns
Jawaan Taylor
Jonah Williams
Noah Fant
DK Metcalf
TJ Hockenson
Byron Murphy
Who are your top five?
Clelin Ferrell
Devin Bush (I wouldn't draft him but if we're talking BPA he has to be there)
Andre Dillard
Greedy Williams
Garrett Bradbury
I'd probably take Bradbury or Ferrell.
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Ferrell and Bradbury, for sure. I think an argument can be made for any of the three Clemson linemen at that point but I'd want Bradbury ahead of all of them. Wouldn't mind Erik McCoy or Andre Dillard.
If it shakes out like this though, I think the pick might be Rashan Gary.
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Montez Sweat
Greedy Williams
Garrett Bradbury
Andre Dillard
Noah Fant
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If this trade comes to pass, and Bradbury is there at 15, protect the franchise.
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Honestly with that haul in hand, WR also has to be a consideration.
I’m also a gigantic Dalton Risner fan. Not at 15 but if we slid back to 20 or so, or moved up from the Skins second rounder he’d be high on my list.
If we are actually at 15, I’d say that the pick almost has to be offense.
If Bosa is on the clock and the Skins want up to #3 I bet Mac mills them for even more.
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1121173254473953280
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Garrett Bradbury
DK Metcalf
Greedy Williams
Clellin Ferrell
Brian Burns (maybe we get lucky)
Honourable mention: Hockenson or Fant
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Garrett Bradbury
DK Metcalf
Greedy Williams
Clellin Ferrell
Brian Burns (maybe we get lucky)
Honourable mention: Hockenson or Fant
In the scenario presented, Hockenson, Metcalf, and Burns are off the board.
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Fant too.
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In the scenario presented, Hockenson, Metcalf, and Burns are off the board.
freak...now I don’t want to play.
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I’d bet just about anything that the supposed top 14 names listed aren’t all gone at 15. Somebody is going to reach for someone that shouldn’t go that early he’ll all the Christian Wilkins buzz lately, I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes top 15 either.
In reality I expect one TE will be there (Fant) and most of the top OL will be too.
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I’d bet just about anything that the supposed top 14 names listed aren’t all gone at 15. Somebody is going to reach for someone that shouldn’t go that early he’ll all the Christian Wilkins buzz lately, I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes top 15 either.
In reality I expect one TE will be there (Fant) and most of the top OL will be too.
I'm confident at least one more quarterback goes in the first 14, but it's a more interesting discussion if more of our targets are removed.
As far as the top o-line still being on the board... I'll be shocked if Taylor and Williams are still around at 15, but I'm sprinting to the podium for either of them.
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ive firmly been against a trade down for a while based on the fact were not good enough to be passing on blue chip prospects
that being said, if anyone can give us a ransom worth doing it for, its Washington.
move down to 15, get Bradbury and get 46 overall and then a 1st and 3rd next yr.
id do it then. Skins 1st next yr will likely be a top 10 pick
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I'm confident at least one more quarterback goes in the first 14, but it's a more interesting discussion if more of our targets are removed.
As far as the top o-line still being on the board... I'll be shocked if Taylor and Williams are still around at 15, but I'm sprinting to the podium for either of them.
Taylor will be gone for sure. But if teams really see Jonah Williams as an interior guy and not an OT, then I bet he would be there at 15. Lots of chatter about people being in love with Dillard at OT, if you aren't sure Williams will last as a tackle, I can see somebody taking Dillard first.
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In the scenario presented, Hockenson, Metcalf, and Burns are off the board.
i know DK lit up the combine/social media, but how confident are we that a WR will go in the top 15 given the trend the last several years of teams not valuing WRs with high picks in the 1st round?
id love DK but if we lose out on him in a trade down i'll be good. with the extra 2nd rounder we pick up, we'd have a legitimate shot at one of the following names dropping to that spot - deebo samuel/hakeem butler/n'keal harry. what i'd have to get over is trading down to draft somebody like bradbury while losing out on a top DL/pass rushing talent or Taylor to do so. i don't think any of the DL/OLB talent we are interested in will still be present at 15, and those positions become harder to fill with each passing round, which can't really be said for WR.
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i know DK lit up the combine/social media, but how confident are we that a WR will go in the top 15 given the trend the last several years of teams not valuing WRs with high picks in the 1st round?
Is the position being undervalued, or have the last couple of wide receiver classes just been weak? John Ross and Corey Davis both went in the top ten two years ago and neither of them were as strong a prospect as DK.