Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2019, 04:49:38 PM
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Post by: mj2sexay on January 02, 2019, 05:47:34 PM
Post by: IATA on January 02, 2019, 05:52:05 PM
As the one person on the hire Gase train, I'll be sure to bump this thread after the first 11-5 season.Mb will suck a toasted hotdog from your poopchute if that happens.
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 02, 2019, 06:00:30 PM
As the one person on the hire Gase train, I'll be sure to bump this thread after the first 11-5 season.
And I'll be sure to bump this thread right after Trump builds his wall.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 02, 2019, 06:12:38 PM
Mb will suck a toasted hotdog from your poopchute if that happens.
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Don't tease me with a good time.
And I'll be sure to bump this thread right after Trump builds his wall.
And I'll be sure to bump this thread after our GDP hits a number so high that the previous President said it would take a magic wand to reach.
Oh.
Waitasecond.
Anyway, back to the topic of Gase. I don't think the whining of a bunch of perennial losers about how they didn't like how they were treated is a good reason to immediately discount him as a head coaching candidate. I'm more intrigued by Monken, but he's not interviewing until Monday.
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2019, 06:12:54 PM
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 02, 2019, 06:21:31 PM
I don't think the whining of a bunch of perennial losers about how they didn't like how they were treated is a good reason to immediately discount him as a head coaching candidate.
One of those "perennial losers" is a guy by the name of Frank Gore who's one of the most respected players of his generation and is going to find his bust in Canton one day.
Sit the freak down and shut the freak up.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 02, 2019, 06:30:21 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 02, 2019, 06:31:57 PM
One of those "perennial losers" is a guy by the name of Frank Gore who's one of the most respected players of his generation and is going to find his bust in Canton one day.
Sit the freak down and shut the freak up.
There is absolutely ZERO indication that Gore is one of the players that had an issue with Gase. Given how much respect he commands and the fact that Gase is no longer there, I'd actually be shocked if he was one of the people that ripped him anonymously. But you go on thinking that the Dolphins aren't an organization filled with perpetual mediocrity.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 02, 2019, 06:56:15 PM
There is absolutely ZERO indication that Gore is one of the players that had an issue with Gase. Given how much respect he commands and the fact that Gase is no longer there, I'd actually be shocked if he was one of the people that ripped him anonymously.?
Why do you want a head coach that was quit on and then denigrated by his own players?
But you go on thinking that the Dolphins aren't an organization filled with perpetual mediocrity.
Regardless of what you think of the Dolphins as an organization, their head coach has to bear at least part of the blame for the team's incompetence.
Speaking of mediocrity, for a guy whose forte is allegedly offense, his has been ranked 27th in points scored over the last three seasons.
His career has been built on riding the coattails of Peyton Manning. He's literally accomplished nothing else of note.
Although, in fairness, mediocrity would be a step above your next shitty take. Do you ever have a clue as to what the freak you're talking about? On anything?
Rather than dignify your question with a response, I'll just rest easy knowing that at least my avatar doesn't resemble a rectal examination.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 02, 2019, 07:01:24 PM
His career has been built on riding the coattails of Peyton Manning. He's literally accomplished nothing else of note.
Hilarious criticism considering you've talked yourself into McCarthy. Gase dragged that shitsquad to the playoffs two years ago.
Rather than dignify your question with a response, I'll just rest easy knowing that at least my avatar doesn't resemble a rectal examination.
...You are aware this avatar was bestowed upon me by a mod, correct?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 02, 2019, 07:14:17 PM
Hilarious criticism considering you've talked yourself into McCarthy. Gase dragged that shitsquad to the playoffs two years ago.
McCarthy has won 62% of his games, been to the playoffs nine times, made four NFC championship game appearances, and won a Super Bowl.
Do I have concerns about how he's adapted to the game as it's changed? Yes, but it's quite frankly a joke to compare his credentials to Gase's.
...You are aware this avatar was bestowed upon me by a mod, correct?
I am. You've definitely earned it.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 02, 2019, 07:37:42 PM
McCarthy has won 62% of his games, been to the playoffs nine times, made four NFC championship game appearances, and won a Super Bowl.
Thank you for listing the things he was dragged to by a generational talent at quarterback.
I am. You've definitely earned it.
If we all earn our avatars I look forward to yours becoming a whiny little queynte.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 02, 2019, 07:43:39 PM
Thank you for listing the things he was dragged to by a generational talent at quarterback.
You're welcome.
If we all earn our avatars I look forward to yours becoming a whiny little queynte.
No poster in the history of this board has been treated worse or more unfairly than me.
Post by: reuben on January 02, 2019, 07:52:48 PM
I'm going to write this off to the FO casting a wide net, and will leave it at that.
Wide nets trap dolphins, but only the retarded ones.
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2019, 07:54:11 PM
Wide nets trap dolphins, but only the retarded ones.
aren't they all retarded?
Post by: reuben on January 02, 2019, 07:55:36 PM
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Post by: Miamipuck on January 03, 2019, 08:36:09 AM
Mb will suck a toasted hotdog from your poopchute if that happens.
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MB would do that for a bag of peanuts.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 03, 2019, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2019, 08:44:54 AM
MB would do that for a bag of peanuts.Honey roasted only, bundle of sticks
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 03, 2019, 09:58:33 AM
No. freaking. Thanks.
Post by: reuben on January 03, 2019, 10:09:41 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 03, 2019, 10:11:50 AM
I'd rather re-hire Bowles with Rex as his offensive coordinator.
Ground and pound baby. I'm in.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 03, 2019, 10:14:26 AM
I'd rather re-hire Bowles with Rex as his offensive coordinator.
Change approved.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2019, 11:29:14 AM
I'd rather re-hire Bowles with Rex as his offensive coordinator.
My body is ready
Post by: Pope on January 03, 2019, 11:50:21 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 07:15:41 AM
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After the game, Dolphins head coach Adam Gase still seemed frustrated, especially when it came to answering questions about Tannehill's injury.
"I don't know. I think there's some kind of like HIPPA law or something like that. I can't talk about it," Gase said when asked about the injury that kept Tannehill from playing. "I don't know. I don't sit there and ask him all these questions. I just know the guy couldn't go today. All right? Go ask him."
Gase, clearly frustrated, finished by saying, "I'm tired of answering this question about this guy. I got it; but you know what, I'm over it. Me and him, we know that he's not right now, OK? The details of it, we'll keep that to us. You guys don't need to know that."
Tannehill is a bum but I don’t want this poopchute anywhere near Sam. “This guy”. Do not want.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 07:19:37 AM
The only positive is that he might actually fight Manish in the press room.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 07:30:06 AM
Tannehill is a bum but I don’t want this poopchute anywhere near Sam. “This guy”. Do not want.
He never should've been interviewed. I'm convinced we'll never have a smart FO.
Post by: Pope on January 09, 2019, 08:39:05 AM
He never should've been interviewed. I'm convinced we'll never have a smart FO.It’s just due diligence. Considering he coached within the division it doesn’t hurt to run a few questions by him. It’s not like interviews hurt our cap space.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 08:48:14 AM
It’s just due diligence. Considering he coached within the division it doesn’t hurt to run a few questions by him. It’s not like interviews hurt our cap space.
I guess. I just hate the added anxiety. With our history of hiring HCs, every candidate is scrutinized under a microscope.
It's worse this time around because we have a young franchise QB. Gotta get this hire done right.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 09, 2019, 09:02:40 AM
He never should've been interviewed. I'm convinced we'll never have a smart FO.
Why not?
Interviewing more guys jsut benefits us. Gives the FO insight on different traits to look for in potential coaches. Not to mention it opens the door as consolation prizes when it comes to being an OC.
Gase as a HC, probably not something any of us would want. But if we grab someone like Rhule who has little to no nfl buddies/experience i would be totally okay with Gase as his OC.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:05:23 AM
Why not?
Interviewing more guys jsut benefits us. Gives the FO insight on different traits to look for in potential coaches. Not to mention it opens the door as consolation prizes when it comes to being an OC.
Gase as a HC, probably not something any of us would want. But if we grab someone like Rhule who has little to no nfl buddies/experience i would be totally okay with Gase as his OC.
That may be true, but as fans we don't know what's going on...so the automatic assumption is that the Jets are actually interested in Gase, which would suck. If we had confirmation that Gase was brought in just to pick his brain, then of course i'd be more indifferent.
This is an important hire due to our QB situation. So i'm a little more anxious when it comes to this hire. This can't be fucked up on any level.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 09, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
That may be true, but as fans we don't know what's going on...so the automatic assumption is that the Jets are actually interested in Gase, which would suck. If we had confirmation that Gase was brought in just to pick his brain, then of course i'd be more indifferent.
This is an important hire due to our QB situation. So i'm a little more anxious when it comes to this hire. This can't be fucked up on any level.
I mean we go off what the insiders say, and nobody has said Gase is on the short list
Unless I'm mistaken it would be very surprising if it wasn't Rhule Monken or Mccarthy
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:18:35 AM
I mean we go off what the insiders say, and nobody has said Gase is on the short list
Unless I'm mistaken it would be very surprising if it wasn't Rhule Monken or Mccarthy
that retard Albert Breer keeps pumping Gase's tires....that's enough for me to clench my butthole.
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 09:29:53 AM
that retard Albert Breer keeps pumping Gase's tires....that's enough for me to clench my butthole.
I think that all bar probably Schefter and Rapoport have their preferred coaches (read: the ones who talk to them off the record) and are inclined to promote them accordingly.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:33:34 AM
I think that all bar probably Schefter and Rapoport have their preferred coaches (read: the ones who talk to them off the record) and are inclined to promote them accordingly.
why would media insiders have "preferred coaches"...they shouldn't care who gets the job.
EDIT: I suppose your post would make sense for someone like Josina Anderson, who rely on coaches for insider info. But i think people like Rappaport/Schefter have enough contacts that they wouldn't care who the HC is.
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 09:56:20 AM
why would media insiders have "preferred coaches"...they shouldn't care who gets the job.
EDIT: I suppose your post would make sense for someone like Josina Anderson, who rely on coaches for insider info. But i think people like Rappaport/Schefter have enough contacts that they wouldn't care who the HC is.
That's why I said except Rap and Schefter. Mortenson probably as well. Breer's a biggish name but I'll bet he still has his favourites, and guys who don't talk to him. The latter category getting a big job doesn't help him at all, so why promote his cause?
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:58:26 AM
That's why I said except Rap and Schefter. Mortenson probably as well. Breer's a biggish name but I'll bet he still has his favourites, and guys who don't talk to him. The latter category getting a big job doesn't help him at all, so why promote his cause?
i think Breer is a closet Pats fan and hates the Jets.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 12:48:16 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 01:11:24 PM
This reminds me of draft day when we were all scared shitless that Duff would take Josh Allen at 3 with Darnold still on the board.
Same here
Post by: Gorilla on January 09, 2019, 01:13:50 PM
Same here
McCarthy/Rhule have been 1a and 1b for me out of all interviewed candidates. I'd also be fine with Monken.
Gase would be a blow to Jets fans.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 01:56:24 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 09, 2019, 02:12:18 PM
I wouldn't even want Gase as on OC.
+1
Post by: dcm1602 on January 09, 2019, 03:28:04 PM
I wouldn't even want Gase as an OC.
For Mccarthy or Monken no. But someone like Rhule who is limited on his nfl exposure/friends list I think Gase would be a solid pairing. Dude has his issues but he's had success and with previous hc experience (and contacts) could be very valuable to a guy like Rhule.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 09, 2019, 04:16:53 PM
For Mccarthy or Monken no. But someone like Rhule who is limited on his nfl exposure/friends list I think Gase would be a solid pairing. Dude has his issues but he's had success and with previous hc experience (and contacts) could be very valuable to a guy like Rhule.
If it is Rhule, I want the guy with previous HC experience as DC. Monken as OC would be lots of fun to see.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 04:51:52 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 05:21:35 PM
Trying to plan my justification for hiring Gase once it happens. Gotta sunshine it somehow.You sunshine it by putting a revolver in your mouth and pulling the trigger
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 05:23:54 PM
You sunshine it by putting a revolver in your mouth and pulling the trigger"I couldn't work out why my gun tasted salty but then I realised I'm crying every time I put the barrel in my mouth."
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 05:27:04 PM
You sunshine it by putting a revolver in your mouth and pulling the triggerI heard once I pull the trigger, I will then become fully qualified to be a citizen of Winnipeg.
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Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 05:37:18 PM
Depends, do you smoke a bag of indian ciggies a week and/or do meth and steal from people off the res?I mint my own lawn.
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Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 06:51:51 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 06:52:33 PM
Post by: casman02 on January 09, 2019, 06:52:40 PM
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Jets expected to hire HC Adam Gase, per me and @JeffDarlington.
Da Fuq???
Post by: klaximilian on January 09, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
I hope I’m wrong about the hire.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 06:53:31 PM
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 06:53:45 PM
Post by: casman02 on January 09, 2019, 06:56:34 PM
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Pete Prisco
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Gase and Darnold will be a great match
Just looking for anything positive...
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 06:57:03 PM
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Post by: Laxin on January 09, 2019, 06:58:59 PM
That's about all I got.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 09, 2019, 06:59:07 PM
We can’t do anything right.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 09, 2019, 06:59:34 PM
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Post by: Badger on January 09, 2019, 07:02:07 PM
This is really underwhelming and we probably should’ve expected it.Hopefully the GM and VP of Player Personnel hire some good assistants for him.
We can’t do anything right.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 09, 2019, 07:03:06 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 07:04:50 PM
- He has head coaching experience
- He's an offensive guy
- People used to think he was good with quarterbacks
- He had some success against the Patriots
That said, the more I've thought about it, the more I prefer Gase to McCarthy.
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 07:05:12 PM
Trying to look on the bright side....
- He has head coaching experience
- He's an offensive guy
- People used to think he was good with quarterbacks
- He had some success against the Patriots
That said, the more I've thought about it, the more I prefer Gase to McCarthy.
Yeah. I don't get thinking this is an awful hire. It's just very meh.
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 07:05:28 PM
freak this organization. Only the stupid freaking Jets could ruin a franchise QBThat's about the only bad thing that won't happen. I trust him with Sam; I just don't know what will happen with the rest of the team.
Post by: casman02 on January 09, 2019, 07:07:26 PM
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The Jets wanted to make sure they got the right person to help Sam Darnold — and Darnold believes they did.
I’m told Darnold didn’t impose his opinion on GM/ownership, but after speaking with Gase via FaceTime on Monday night, he personally felt like Gase was the right guy.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 07:08:09 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 07:10:13 PM
100 million to spend and trying to convince FAs to play for this poopchute....Christopher Johnson can DIAF
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Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 07:11:53 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-adam-gase-dolphins-jets-coaching-search-20190109-story.html?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true
Post by: casman02 on January 09, 2019, 07:12:34 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 07:13:48 PM
If Darnold lives up to the hype and Gase can properly develop him, that shouldn't be an issue here.
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 07:15:46 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 07:16:11 PM
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Post by: MoreCharacters on January 09, 2019, 07:18:12 PM
they're putting out the full spin machine. there have been a bunch of tweets in the past 20 minutes about it being a sneaky good hire
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 09, 2019, 07:20:36 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1083170973673840640
It was an exhaustive process that included countless discussions, but I’m told Jets CEO Christopher Johnson took a phone call on Tuesday night from an especially impressive reference who advocated for Adam Gase:
Peyton Manning.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 07:21:10 PM
Post by: casman02 on January 09, 2019, 07:21:30 PM
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One strong possibility as defensive coordinator for new #Jets coach Adam Gase is Vance Joseph. Joseph is still in the mix with the #Bengals, but he could land in NYJ if Cincy doesn’t work. Gase and Joseph where together in Miami.
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 07:21:56 PM
cool cool, can we hire Hue Jackson as OC too
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 07:23:26 PM
Post by: Laxin on January 09, 2019, 07:23:48 PM
such as this one
https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1083170973673840640
It was an exhaustive process that included countless discussions, but I’m told Jets CEO Christopher Johnson took a phone call on Tuesday night from an especially impressive reference who advocated for Adam Gase:
Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning as OC confirmed.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 07:25:13 PM
Vance Joseph as DC is good. Vance Joseph as HC is a disaster.Adam Gase as a HC is a disaster
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 07:27:42 PM
People hate the hire so much that I'm starting to like it even more. Sunshine sznHonestly, the more I see everyone hate it, the more I'm starting to not hate it. I still don't like it, but I wanted an offensive guy, we got an offensive guy, let's see if it can work out.
I wanted Monken or Rhule, and I don't like how the Jets intervened with Rhule putting a staff together, but I won't judge Gase as a disaster until he proves it here. Going 1 game below .500 in 3 years with Tannehill/Osweiler/Cutler isn't all that terrible.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 07:29:16 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 07:34:22 PM
Post by: Pope on January 09, 2019, 07:35:54 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 07:38:10 PM
Peyton Manning as OC confirmed.Peyton hates the Jets. I hate this hire even more now
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 07:39:19 PM
He's had good defensive backfields everywhere he's been.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 07:40:35 PM
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 07:40:53 PM
Just in quick googling Todd Bowles prefers a 3-4 scheme, but has coordinated 4-3 also to fit the players in the scheme. I guess we could see either depending on who is on the roster.
He's had good defensive backfields everywhere he's been.
Could have said this exact thing 4 years ago
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 07:41:36 PM
“Gase is an offensive guy”
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 07:43:01 PM
Could have said this exact thing 4 years ago
Except that Bowles wasn't being considered for DC. Stacking the coaching staff with former DCs who have proven OC experience doesn't sound like a terrible idea.
At least when we fire Gase mid season for being a excrement head coach we'll have another former excrement head coach to take the reins.
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 07:43:14 PM
(http://i65.tinypic.com/33vlxf6.jpg)
“Gase is an offensive guy”
Guess he should have worked miracles with Jay Cutler in year 2 and freaking Brock Osweiler starting 1/3 of the games in year 3
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 07:44:41 PM
(http://i65.tinypic.com/33vlxf6.jpg)
“Gase is an offensive guy”
2017 was the shambling corpse of Jay Cutler wringing one last payday out of the wreckage of his career.
The 2018 roster was a disgrace and they still finished second in the division.
Post by: guinness77 on January 09, 2019, 07:45:54 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 09, 2019, 07:47:26 PM
Duff just hired his coach version of Hackenberg
i love this
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 07:48:24 PM
Players hate this guy. And we’re stuck with him because Duff and Christopher Johnson wont let Rhule hire his own staff?! How freaking dumb is that
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Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 07:50:18 PM
mj2sexay either gets to be a smug freak or looks like a know nothing poopchute in about a year.
A little of column A, a little of column B.
What can I say, I'm happy about it. I absolutely think he has the chops to develop Darnold and that needed to be the first, second and third priority.
Show me the team in Miami that underachieved during his watch. He dragged Jay Cutler's corpse to six wins.
He apparently hates Kenyon Drake which I didn’t understand at all.
This is, by far, the most fair criticism I've seen. Heis said it as well. It's something that bares watching, though I highly doubt he'll be running hot and cold on running backs if this team brings in LeVeon.
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 07:51:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 07:51:30 PM
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 07:53:16 PM
We’re fucked...
Players hate this guy. And we’re stuck with him because Duff and Christopher Johnson wont let Rhule hire his own staff?! How freaking dumb is that
The only time I've ever seen this said is that tweet that got deleted because it was incorrect. Landry and Phillips are the only two I'm aware of who obviously hate Gase, and they're both kinda shitheads anyway
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2019, 07:53:45 PM
Might as well start stocking draft picks to trade up for Trevor Lawrence in 2021 after Gase ruins Darnold.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 07:54:56 PM
-our QB preferred him
-he had dingleberries to work with at QB in Miami
-he sure knows how to beat the excrement out of the Jets, so maybe he knows how to fix our weaknesses.
-he has head coaching experience in the same division
-he hates the Dolphins more than we do and will run up the score on them.
-we will hopefully get a DC (Joseph) that can stick around because he certainly has no chance of moving up in the ranks anytime soon.
-him dealing with the media won't be boring like Bowles.
-player's coaches haven't exactly worked for us in the past. Maybe he the right poopchute at the right time. Apparently he wants them all to live and breathe football.
/Sunshine
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 07:55:04 PM
Post by: Pope on January 09, 2019, 07:55:45 PM
- He’s a young offensive mind that fared pretty well with a talentless Dolphins team
- Players hate him which leads me to think he’s a disciplinarian who will not put up with any divas or bullshit. Jamal complained about guys not fighting out there and this is the coach to straighten it out
- The Jets were not enamored with the selection of coaches and figured Gase will be on a short leash so if the experiment fails he and Maccagnan can freak off into the sunset after a year or two
- Darnold likes him for his future development. The biggest key to success is Darnold becoming a bonafide franchise QB. If Gase is your best bet in making that a reality then you pull the trigger and make him the guy to do it
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 07:56:07 PM
I like this move because everyone overwhelmingly thinks it’s a bad decisionEverytime we like something it ends up sucking except for Darnold. So far.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 07:56:43 PM
Everytime we like something it ends up sucking except for Darnold. So far.
It's true, we all wanted to bring back Kearse.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 09, 2019, 07:57:50 PM
Everytime we like something it ends up sucking except for Darnold. So far.
This
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Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 08:00:15 PM
It's true, we all wanted to bring back Kearse.Let the record show I was fine cutting him last year.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 08:00:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 08:00:43 PM
lover of the older lady, have you checked out our roster lately?
Post by: IATA on January 09, 2019, 08:01:20 PM
The FO not allowing a potential HC hire to bring in his own staff baffles the freak out of me....that has to be Darwin level stupiditySame old jest
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Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 08:01:52 PM
“The dolphins didn’t have any talent”
lover of the older lady, have you checked out our roster lately?
Yeah and with about the same level of shitty QB play he finished with 6 7 and 10 wins the past 3 years compared to our 4 5 and 5.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 08:02:01 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 08:02:25 PM
Post by: IATA on January 09, 2019, 08:04:11 PM
Yeah and with about the same level of shitty QB play he finished with 6 7 and 10 wins the past 3 years compared to our 4 5 and 5.Howd that work for the dolphins and him?
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Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
At least we don't have Bates anymore.
We didn’t exactly upgrade
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 08:04:47 PM
Howd that work for the dolphins and him?
They got into the playoffs.
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 08:05:42 PM
Howd that work for the dolphins and him?
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Stephen Ross is a schmuck on the level of Woody, I don't give a excrement what he thinks. Gase finished with about a .500 record with a roster that sucked balls for most of his tenure with his starting QB never making it through the entire season healthy a single time.
I'm not thrilled on Gase but some of these justifications for hating him are freaking dumb.
Post by: IATA on January 09, 2019, 08:06:32 PM
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Post by: IATA on January 09, 2019, 08:07:06 PM
They got into the playoffs.And lost and he got fired after the team got notably worst.
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Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 08:07:48 PM
This is a freaking disaster. No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 08:08:06 PM
We didn’t exactly upgradeThat isn't possible. Sliced ketchup on poutine with cheese dust is better.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 08:08:20 PM
Stephen Ross is a schmuck on the level of Woody, I don't give a excrement what he thinks. Gase finished with about a .500 record with a roster that sucked balls for most of his tenure with his starting QB never making it through the entire season healthy a single time.Yeah. I don't like the hire because I think Gase is overrated as an offensive mind. Every year, he said the Dolphins would play faster, and they never did. And when Peyton is your QB, it's easy to look good.
I'm not thrilled on Gase but some of these justifications for hating him are freaking dumb.
I don't really care if Jarvis Landry didn't like Gase.
Post by: IATA on January 09, 2019, 08:08:21 PM
People trying to convince themselves Gase is a good hire is hilarious too.But he made the playoffs once! And hes mean!
This is a freaking disaster. No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig.
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Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 08:09:36 PM
I'm going to choose to believe Manish, because I don't want to be mad right now.
And if this article is correct, Jamal is going to freaking love him and vice versa.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 08:09:49 PM
This freaking guy. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190110/4e6359c7577c46dbf731eecd18deca1d.jpg)
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Oh what the freak.
Nevermind, I hate it.
But he made the playoffs once! And hes mean!
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See, what people usually do when they can't formulate an argument is bastardize and belittle the opposition. That's a ridiculous summation.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 08:13:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 08:15:23 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 09, 2019, 08:16:04 PM
the two cannot exist together yet
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2019, 08:17:01 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-adam-gase-dolphins-jets-coaching-search-20190109-story.html
I'm going to choose to believe Manish, because I don't want to be mad right now.
And if this article is correct, Jamal is going to freaking love him and vice versa.
The fact that it's a Manish article should be the most damning point.
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 09, 2019, 08:17:12 PM
Post by: guinness77 on January 09, 2019, 08:17:49 PM
The fact that it's a Manish article should be the most damning point.I hate to admit this but that prick has been right about a lot of excrement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 08:18:10 PM
Whats the reasoning for the dolphins regressing the next 2 years after Gase making the playoffs?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 09, 2019, 08:20:16 PM
Gase went 10-6 in year 1. So did Bowles. The difference was the conference had less 10 win teams the year he did it.
Whats the reasoning for the dolphins regressing the next 2 years after Gase making the playoffs?
Mostly that his QB was constantly injured. And in the second year he had Cutler. And Tanny didn't do a good job with the roster either. Obviously he was to blame as well, but I don't really know how much.
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 08:20:56 PM
Gase went 10-6 in year 1. So did Bowles. The difference was the conference had less 10 win teams the year he did it.
Whats the reasoning for the dolphins regressing the next 2 years after Gase making the playoffs?
They didn't have their already mediocre franchise QB for approximately 75% of those games, for a start. They were making do with Cutler, Matt Moore, Osweiler and David Fales.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2019, 08:24:49 PM
I hate to admit this but that prick has been right about a lot of excrement.
His best argument against the Dolphin's terrible offensive production is, "There were probably unknown unkowna!"
"Critics that point to Miami’s sub-par offensive statistics during Gase’s three-year 23-26 run need to dig deeper." Dig deeper at what? He's the offensive mind, his offense was terrible, what more is there to look at?
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 08:25:19 PM
Poor Sam
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 08:25:58 PM
I hate to admit this but that prick has been right about a lot of excrement.
Manish pumped up literally every single potential coaching hire to cover his bases. He is the definition of a complete hack
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2019, 08:26:01 PM
Cimini is saying Gase will bring Dowell Loggans with him to be his OC
Poor Sam
This is not a good sign.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 08:26:20 PM
Cimini is saying Gase will bring Dowell Loggans with him to be his OC
Poor Sam
Who the freak is that guy
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2019, 08:26:42 PM
Manish pumped up literally every single potential coaching hire to cover his bases. He is the definition of a complete hack
This. My opinions of Gase aside, there is nothing in that article that should ease anyone's misgivings about this hire.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 08:26:48 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2019, 08:26:59 PM
Who the freak is that guy
His OC in Miami.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 08:27:05 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 08:27:35 PM
Who the freak is that guyDowell strikes me as name for a special needs kid
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 09, 2019, 08:28:29 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 08:29:58 PM
separate but equal seems to be the kind of thing this mj2 fellow would be into, if i'm reading between all the lines correctly
Eat excrement.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2019, 08:30:58 PM
The wording is interesting. Most of the reporters say "as his main offensive assistant", not his "offensive coordinator", would that mean that Gase himself would be calling the plays?
Possibly, or splitting between a passing and running game coordinator.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 08:32:59 PM
The wording is interesting. Most of the reporters say "as his main offensive assistant", not his "offensive coordinator", would that mean that Gase himself would be calling the plays?Yes. This is Gase's offense.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2019, 08:34:48 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 08:39:02 PM
I'm holding out hope, but I do think that he will have a short leash. He might get fired year one along with Duff if he doesn't improve this shitshow.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 08:40:27 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2019, 08:41:15 PM
I'm holding out hope, but I do think that he will have a short leash. He might get fired year one along with Duff if he doesn't improve this shitshow.
Wash, rinse, repeat. How do we get the Johnson family away from this team?
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
Wash, rinse, repeat. How do we get the Johnson family away from this team?
With a jerry can and a lit match
Post by: Libero_2 on January 09, 2019, 08:44:18 PM
I think JE said it best. I worry less about the offense than the team in general under Gase. It's great that he wants these guys living and breathing football, but personalities clash sometimes.
I'm holding out hope, but I do think that he will have a short leash. He might get fired year one along with Duff if he doesn't improve this shitshow.
What does that record need to look like? 2-14 to fire them both? I mean the last 3 years are 5-11, 5-11, 4-12. How much more regression can we actually show? If he’s 5-11 in year one they could all argue progress is shown + year 1 in a new system.
Unless Gase starts gangraping little girls while DUI’ing, if he doesn’t go 1-15 I imagine he gets a second year
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 08:46:54 PM
I think JE said it best. I worry less about the offense than the team in general under Gase. It's great that he wants these guys living and breathing football, but personalities clash sometimes.
I'm holding out hope, but I do think that he will have a short leash. He might get fired year one along with Duff if he doesn't improve this shitshow.
Why do you worry less about the offense? When has Gase run a good offense? His 1 year of calling plays for Peyton Manning that Peyton called himself?
Post by: Johnny English on January 09, 2019, 08:47:19 PM
What does that record need to look like? 2-14 to fire them both? I mean the last 3 years are 5-11, 5-11, 4-12. How much more regression can we actually show? If he’s 5-11 in year one they could all argue progress is shown + year 1 in a new system.
Unless Gase starts gangraping little girls while DUI’ing, if he doesn’t go 1-15 I imagine he gets a second year
Try it the other way. How good does the record need to be for you to not be upset about the hire?
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 08:47:31 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/02/sports/pro-football-raiders-turn-out-lights-in-mismatch-after-dark.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 08:50:02 PM
Try it the other way. How good does the record need to be for you to not be upset about the hire?
I was happy with Todd Bowles 10 wins in year 1, does that mean it was a good hire?
Post by: Libero_2 on January 09, 2019, 08:50:55 PM
Try it the other way. How good does the record need to be for you to not be upset about the hire?
10-6 consecutively with a playoff appearance and actual positivity surrounding the offense and the team
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2019, 08:55:28 PM
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2019, 08:57:14 PM
I like this move because everyone overwhelmingly thinks it’s a bad decisionThere hasn't been a Jets move this unpopular since we drafted Geno.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 08:57:25 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 08:58:21 PM
Why do you worry less about the offense? When has Gase run a good offense? His 1 year of calling plays for Peyton Manning that Peyton called himself?It's not that I don't worry about the offense. I just think he has more issues with head coaching duties than on offense. I don't know how he's going to deal with the NY media. It'll be interesting.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 08:58:22 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190110/6b55930bc6864aaffe6739f38a2d1fb5.jpg)
This guy is rapidly climbing the punchable face power rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 08:59:10 PM
It's not that I don't worry about the offense. I just think he has more issues with head coaching duties than on offense. I don't know how he's going to deal with the NY media. It'll be interesting.
Ok so I’m failing to see any positives in this post
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 08:59:15 PM
There hasn't been a Jets move this unpopular since we drafted Geno.
Hackenberg tho
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2019, 09:00:24 PM
Oh well...at least we have GoT to look fwd to in a few monthsAdam Gase directed the finale.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 09:00:27 PM
Ok so I’m failing to see any positives in this postIt's a bunch of "I don't know"
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 09:01:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:01:39 PM
Ugh, I just read some of manish’s article, it’s worse than I thought it would be
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Gase’s strong personality can galvanize a place. His bravado will be contagious.
Ok, what happened in Miami?
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His mindset and message to his team are pure. It’s some variation of this every week: We’re going to score 50 points and kick their derriere.
When did this ever happen? You just sound like an poopchute if you’re spouting off like this and losing every other week with a below average offense
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:02:06 PM
Adam Gase directed the finale.Dowell Loggains ends up on the iron throne.
#Spoilers
Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 09:02:49 PM
An article by Manish Mehta is my last justification for anything, whether its for or against. freak that guy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:03:02 PM
Adam Gase directed the finale.
Jon Snow requests a trade to Essos in the first hour
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 09:03:28 PM
He's got an agenda. He just goes against the flow of everyone else for clicks.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:03:42 PM
Dowell Loggains ends up on the iron throne.
#Spoilers
My Samwell Tarly prediction is still holding.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:05:36 PM
My feelings on the hire are well documented.
An article by Manish Mehta is my last justification for anything, whether its for or against. freak that guy.
Kudos to you for putting your opinion out there and backing it up even when it was relatively unpopular. Hope you’re right.
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2019, 09:05:50 PM
Hackenberg thoSolid entry
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2019, 09:07:10 PM
Jon Snow requests a trade to Essos in the first hourDrogon is a healthy scratch in the battle for Westeros. Sources says he was 2 minutes late for film study.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2019, 09:07:24 PM
Try it the other way. How good does the record need to be for you to not be upset about the hire?
Playoff wins, division sweep. I'll shut up then.
Post by: Pope on January 09, 2019, 09:10:27 PM
Hopefully we can look back on this thread and laugh in the future
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:11:46 PM
Guys take a step back and breathe. Hasn’t coached a game yet
Hopefully we can look back on this thread and laugh in the future
I miss Ben MacAdoo
Post by: Pope on January 09, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 09:14:24 PM
Guys take a step back and breathe. Hasn’t coached a game yetI already am, but I've had 2 cups of wine.
Hopefully we can look back on this thread and laugh in the future
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:15:40 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 09:17:07 PM
Also, tune into WFAN tomorrow at 10 AM EST. Joe Beningo may have the first radio aneurysm
Good.
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2019, 09:17:07 PM
I will hate this hire until i'm given a viable reason not to....and that hasn't happened yet.It's gonna be a long year for you.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:17:52 PM
I will hate this hire until i'm given a viable reason not to....and that hasn't happened yet.
Relax, Jets fans! Adam Gase is a brilliant coaching hire
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 09:18:45 PM
I will hate this hire until i'm given a viable reason not to....and that hasn't happened yet.What number would you like on your Gase jersey?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:19:55 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:20:13 PM
What number would you like on your Gase jersey?
86’ed
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 09:20:40 PM
86’ed69!
Post by: Libero_2 on January 09, 2019, 09:21:59 PM
@MikeFrancesa: Jet fans will hate the choice.
That would be an understatement
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 09, 2019, 09:23:20 PM
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Post by: Italian Seafood on January 09, 2019, 09:26:43 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:26:48 PM
It's gonna be a long year for you.
year? I can handle a year. If we're forced into another shitty 4 year term with this HC, then it'll be an issue.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:27:21 PM
Can't say I'm too excited about this. Not getting any younger here.
#FireGase
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:27:45 PM
The only way this works out is if Darnold is so good that it doesn't matter who the HC is a la Brady
Wouldn't this have applied to Bowles?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 09, 2019, 09:31:27 PM
Wouldn't this have applied to Bowles?
Possibly...but not in his rookie season
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:31:31 PM
Time is a flat circle.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2019, 09:33:28 PM
Once Gase is exposed again and he ends up getting canned with Duff next year...the Jets will hire Mike McCarthy.And then let him pick the GM.
Time is a flat circle.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:34:04 PM
Once Gase is exposed again and he ends up getting canned with Duff next year...the Jets will hire Mike McCarthy.
Time is a flat circle.
You’re not that lucky for this to be over that quickly.
We should have cleaned house.
We knew we were fucked when they came out and said the reporting structure wasn’t changing.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:36:04 PM
I also hate they passed on Monken, who apparently owned the interview process.
For a piece of mediocre excrement that's still basing his reputation for carrying Peyton's bags during one season.
Post by: Pope on January 09, 2019, 09:36:26 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:36:45 PM
This is the first time in 7 years I feel true optimism for this team. It’s good to be back.
You should probably check yo self before you wreck yoself. We still have to hire a competent HC
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:36:45 PM
You’re not that lucky for this to be over that quickly.
We should have cleaned house.
We knew we were fucked when they came out and said the reporting structure wasn’t changing.
I had a sliver of hope because i thought christopher johnson was different than Woody. Shame on me for not knowing better.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:37:47 PM
This must be what the long night felt like after the Age of Heroes.
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 09:38:00 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 09, 2019, 09:38:39 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:39:24 PM
I'm especially hoping Gase works out now so I can see all the hot takes on this board next season
how is that Dowell Loggains kool-aid tastin'?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 09, 2019, 09:40:54 PM
I hate that the Jets targeted Rhule and then wouldn't allow him to choose his own staff.
I also hate they passed on Monken, who apparently owned the interview process.
For a piece of mediocre excrement that's still basing his reputation for carrying Peyton's bags during one season.
This.
Only the Jets could have fucked this up. To have a possible franchise QB and then hire the absolute worst coach just to ruin him. There's always next decade
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 09:43:13 PM
how is that Dowell Loggains kool-aid tastin'?
These pretzels are making me thirsty
Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 09:45:10 PM
Kudos to you for putting your opinion out there and backing it up even when it was relatively unpopular. Hope you’re right.
I do too. I know I'm feeling a much different emotion about this than 90% of the board, but
@MikeFrancesa: Jet fans will hate the choice.
I frequent this place because I value the level of discussion about a franchise that has paid me back for a lifetime of unwavering loyalty and financial and emotional commitment with non-stop assrape (and other football and non-football related topics), so I'm not trying to lump the reaction in here with the normie Jets fan.
As has been established on other parts of the internet, and at home games, most Jets fans are freaking idiots. I could care less about this.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:46:22 PM
These pretzels are making me thirsty
There are no pretzels within a 20 mile radius with this guy in the room
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:46:46 PM
I'm especially hoping Gase works out now so I can see all the hot takes on this board next season
Listen, I’m sure I’ll eventually get around to defending/supporting Gase because I’m a Jets fan, but that doesn’t mean I think it was the right move. I defended Quenton Coples for years after initially being disgusted by the pick.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:47:39 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 09:48:08 PM
I defended Quenton Coples for years after initially being disgusted by the pick.
I recall once uttering the sentence, "hah, freak Alshon, Hill is the guy that can take the top off" and within .5 seconds of it coming out of my mouth wanting to take a shower.
Post by: Jumbo on January 09, 2019, 09:49:47 PM
Listen, I’m sure I’ll eventually get around to defending/supporting Gase because I’m a Jets fan, but that doesn’t mean I think it was the right move. I defended Quenton Coples for years after initially being disgusted by the pick.
I don't think he was anyone's preferred choice besides mj. I just don't personally see why everyone thinks it's such a terrible move. There are reasons to think it might work and reasons to think it might not, but this is by no stretch the worst hire we could have made imo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:50:05 PM
I do too. I know I'm feeling a much different emotion about this than 90% of the board, but
I frequent this place because I value the level of discussion about a franchise that has paid me back for a lifetime of unwavering loyalty and financial and emotional commitment with non-stop assrape (and other football and non-football related topics), so I'm not trying to lump the reaction in here with the normie Jets fan.
As has been established on other parts of the internet, and at home games, most Jets fans are freaking idiots. I could care less about this.
Just about every single Jets fan I’ve met in my life, in person, has been a complete retard. That’s why I’m here. You guys are the best of the worst.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:50:58 PM
I don't think he was anyone's preferred choice besides mj. I just don't personally see why everyone thinks it's such a terrible move. There are reasons to think it might work and reasons to think it might not, but this is by no stretch the worst hire we could have made imo
Who do you think would've been worse?
I'm no Jim Caldwell fan, but at least he didn't excrement on his players.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 09:54:20 PM
I'm especially hoping Gase works out now so I can see all the hot takes on this board next season
this thread will self destruct 10 mins before the start of week 1.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 09:54:55 PM
I don't think he was anyone's preferred choice besides mj. I just don't personally see why everyone thinks it's such a terrible move. There are reasons to think it might work and reasons to think it might not, but this is by no stretch the worst hire we could have made imo
Without trying to hyperbole, my opinion is that this is the worst hire we could have made. At the bottom of my list, I still would have prefered Kingsbury, Bieniemy, Richard. Just about everyone other than Caldwell. I won’t deny that there are some positives to the hire, but I just think there were much better alternatives available. I was super meh on McCarthy but thought he was a much better, much safer hire. I would have rather rolled the dice on Rhule or Kingsbury than Gase. Doesn’t mean I’m right, but I thought this was a dicey hire in a very important hiring period for our franchise.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
I don't love the hire, but what do I know? None of us has a clue. Nobody knows if Monken or Rhule or Gase or any of these guys will do a good job or not. I hope Gase is here for the next decade and proves us wrong.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 10:01:28 PM
Like it or not, Gase is our head coach now. We can all vent about not liking the choice today, but I'll give him a clean slate here, and hope that he's as good as he was originally advertised as an offensive mind.
I don't love the hire, but what do I know? None of us has a clue. Nobody knows if Monken or Rhule or Gase or any of these guys will do a good job or not. I hope Gase is here for the next decade and proves us wrong.
But we do know what Gase brings to the table....and it stinks. It's not like he had a year or 2 off, or went back to being an OC to season his skillset. The regular season is barely 2 weeks being over.
With Rhule or Monken, that would've been a true clean slate with some risk involved.
With Gase, we hired a turd whose failure still hangs in the air like a dusty fart.
Maybe in a few days, i'll try to find a positive outlook. Right now, this hire feels terrible.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 10:05:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 10:09:00 PM
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AllbrightNFL:If you think Kliff Kingsbury "failed up" what did Dowell Loggains do....?
Benjamin Allbright trolling us and I’ve hit a new low point tonight
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 10:10:55 PM
Benjamin Allbright trolling us and I’ve hit a new low point tonight
Rosen has Kingsbury
Darnold has Dowell Loggains.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 10:12:07 PM
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Loggains was promoted to offensive coordinator on January 11, 2016 when Adam Gase left the position to become the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.[11] The Bears struggled during Loggains' tenure as OC, with a November 2017 ranking by ESPN placing him dead last among 32 playcallers,[12] while the offense ended the 2017 season averaging just 16.5 points per game (29th in the league).[13] After head coach John Fox was fired, Loggains reunited with Gase in Miami, landing another offensive coordinator position.[14]
I would actually be more shocked if somewhere here doesn’t come out of the woodwork saying how glad they are that Sam Darnold gets to work with Dowell Loggains
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Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 10:17:48 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 10:19:27 PM
Rosen has Kingsbury
Darnold has Dowell Loggains.
By this logic, Darnold has Gase.
Every quarterback Gase has ever coached has played better under him than elsewhere, and that includes Manning.
Kliff Kingsbury on the other hand took over a winning program, but couldn't break even with Pat Mahomes as his quarterback in a shitty Big 12 at the time. I don't want to hear about how UT had a recruiting advantage when they were wallowing in mediocrity under Charlie Strong.
Loggains is 5'6". I don't trust short people.
In fairness this is solid reasoning, we're freaking shifty.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 10:20:03 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 10:20:42 PM
im depressed. listening to brand new to make me angry sad.Do you believe you’re missing out
Everything good is happening somewhere else
But with Adam Gase as coach
The night’s hard to get through
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 10:21:07 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 10:22:32 PM
By this logic, Darnold has Gase.
Every quarterback Gase has ever coached has played better under him than elsewhere, and that includes Manning.
Kliff Kingsbury on the other hand took over a winning program, but couldn't break even with Pat Mahomes as his quarterback in a shitty Big 12 at the time. I don't want to hear about how UT had a recruiting advantage when they were wallowing in mediocrity under Charlie Strong.
In fairness this is solid reasoning, we're freaking shifty.
Gase hasn't developed a QB, and he doesn't get any credit for Manning. He had one season with Manning when Manning was basically calling his own plays.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 10:24:13 PM
By this logic, Darnold has Gase.In Kliff's defense, Texas will always have a significant recruiting advantage over Texas Tech, even if Texas goes 0-12 for the next decade.
Every quarterback Gase has ever coached has played better under him than elsewhere, and that includes Manning.
Kliff Kingsbury on the other hand took over a winning program, but couldn't break even with Pat Mahomes as his quarterback in a shitty Big 12 at the time. I don't want to hear about how UT had a recruiting advantage when they were wallowing in mediocrity under Charlie Strong.
I've been to both Texas and Texas Tech. Trust me on this.
That said, Mahomes was a physical freak. I don't know if he was necessarily well-coached.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 10:25:15 PM
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Joe Caporoso
Verified account @JCaporoso
27s27 seconds ago
Jets fire Rex
Bills hire Rex
Dolphins fire Bowles
Jets hire Bowles
Jets fire Tannenbaum
Dolphins hire Tannenbaum
Dolphins fire Gase
Jets hire Gase
No wonder the Pats own the AFC east.
Post by: IATA on January 09, 2019, 10:25:19 PM
Do you believe you’re missing out
Everything good is happening somewhere else
But with Adam Gase as coach
The night’s hard to get through
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Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 10:26:42 PM
No wonder the Pats own the AFC east.
Joe Caporoso is a no-nothing lady garden.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 10:27:03 PM
Joe Caporoso is a no-nothing lady garden.
agreed...but that tweet isn't wrong.
The other 3 AFC east teams continue to shove fingers in each other's bums while the Pats continue to dominate.....it's the biggest clown car in the NFL.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 10:28:13 PM
Every quarterback Gase has ever coached has played better under him than elsewhere, and that includes Manning.
Dude, no. You cannot use Tannehill as a positive on Gase’s resume. I can pull the stats tomorrow or you can walk that back.
I’m also not prepared to use veteran Peyton Manning as an example of Gase developing or enhancing a QB.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 09, 2019, 10:34:13 PM
agreed...but that tweet isn't wrong.Well, taking the Patriots coached worked for the Jets in the late '90's. And taking the Jets' coach worked for the Patriots for the last two decades...
The other 3 AFC east teams continue to shove fingers in each other's bums while the Pats continue to dominate.....it's the biggest clown car in the NFL.
Post by: MBGreen on January 09, 2019, 10:35:35 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 10:43:34 PM
I probably won’t be able to sleep tonight
Post by: ons on January 09, 2019, 10:45:31 PM
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article223850050.html
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So, let’s be clear, Ross himself instituted the philosophy the team operated under since 2009 and empowered people such as Tannenbaum who agreed with the approach.
But after the franchise’s failure upon failure upon failure, and an obvious inability to leap off the mediocrity treadmill, the message to change course finally hit home with the owner. The people advising Ross to correct course prevailed.
The owner decided to set a new arc for the Dolphins’ upcoming fortunes.
That arc, however, did not match Gase’s career arc.
Both he and Ross understood and agreed that if Gase remained, he would continue to try to win. Now.
That’s how it is for a fourth-year coach. You must win or you’re fired because fans aren’t going to be patient.
Gase had already planned to fire defensive coordinator Matt Burke and had a plan for replacing him. He also had decided that he would move on from quarterback Ryan Tannehill and sign a bridge quarterback and probably draft a rookie for the future — assuming he could identify the right draft pick.
And that’s a solid plan for a team trying to win.
But the Dolphins are going in an opposite direction now because that’s what Ross has been convinced is best.
So Gase no longer made sense for the Dolphins. And the Dolphins no longer made sense for Gase.
It was interesting that even as Ross and King Grier were having a news conference outlining the new direction, and even amid reports Gase lost the attention or respect of certain players the final few weeks, the coach was in his office on the second floor of the Dolphins’ Davie facility.
And outside his door were players lined up to privately thank him and bid him farewell.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 09, 2019, 10:49:28 PM
Post by: ons on January 09, 2019, 10:53:45 PM
Ok, before we carry forward in this thread discussing Gase as an offensive guru, I’m going to need a resume/business case as to why he is. I’m not trying to be an poopchute, I am seriously unconvinced.
I mean, in 2012-13, there was no hotter name in the ranks of upcoming coaches:
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Gase, who is about 6 feet 1 inch and 185 pounds and looks like the insurance salesman he almost became, may be the hottest coach in the N.F.L., having recently spurned two head-coaching overtures. Manning has called Gase “the smartest guy I know.” Denver Coach John Fox said Gase was “a master of innovation.” The team’s president, John Elway, went the furthest: He used the word genius.
...
“As a junior in high school, he prepared flow charts, spreadsheets and broke down all the tendencies of our opponents on his own,” said Rich Hulkow, who was Marshall High’s football coach and athletic director at the time. “He was always in my office looking at film. He saved me a ton of work.”
Hulkow described Gase as “a typical high school athlete.” But it was his tactical skills that everyone noticed.
When he was the Marshall basketball coach, Dan Coddens once asked Gase to scout an opponent.
“He turned in an immaculate, exhaustive report with details on the opponent that were incredible,” Coddens said. “I was shocked that a teenager could do that.”
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When Gase graduated from high school in 1996 and headed to Michigan State, Hulkow, who had played there, recommended him to the coach, Nick Saban. Saban, renowned for wearing out his assistants, gave the 19-year-old Gase a heavy load of grunt work. Gase threw himself into the job, happy to be learning any part of coaching. Year to year, though he was still a student, his responsibilities increased.
Saban said last week that Gase had a natural instinct for football.
“It was a conceptual thing with Adam, he just understood how things worked and he was willing to work and start from ground zero,” Saban wrote in an email. “It wasn’t like this was a star player who had played a lot of football. He wanted to be a coach and he was willing to invest as much time as it took.”
In 2000, when Saban left for Louisiana State, the only assistant he took with him was Gase.
...
“Adam is a lot like me in that he’s always thinking of how we can do something better or different — or both,” Manning said. “And he has an almost photographic memory. He can recall a defensive scheme we saw from eight games back and remember our exact formation and the play called."
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/sports/football/an-unconventional-path-to-scripting-the-broncos-offense.html
Post by: ons on January 09, 2019, 10:54:03 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/sports/football/an-unconventional-path-to-scripting-the-broncos-offense.html
Oh come on!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 10:58:44 PM
Post by: ons on January 09, 2019, 11:02:35 PM
That was a good read, but it mentioned absolutely nothing specific about his scheme or playcalling with the Broncos. Cool background story and all, and I get that people say he’s smart, but what is his offensive philosphy? What type of plays did he call that were so great? What’s the blocking scheme? Crazy we’ve gone this long without even a mention of what he runs other than the genius offense. Read like a Denver Manish article.
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/26/durkins-playbook-breaking-down-adam-gases-offensive-schemes/
On the other hand, in his own words, he runs the worst offense in football: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/94988418-132.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2019, 11:11:08 PM
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/01/26/durkins-playbook-breaking-down-adam-gases-offensive-schemes/
On the other hand, in his own words, he runs the worst offense in football: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/94988418-132.html
Thanks for entertaining me.
- was interested to see if mesh and levels were heavy parts of the playbook. Obviously I’m going to give all the credit to Peyton there, but if he can teach those concepts to Darnold, the sky is the limit. I can envision Darnold torching defenses with those plays right now. He has the touch/accuracy/vision/window throwin ability to do it.
- I won’t be a dick and hold Gase accountable for Tannehill. He is a freaking bum. I just don’t want to hear people preach about Gase’s offensive ability when it hasn’t come to light so far while he’s been a HC. Hopefully with a legit QB he’s able to showcase his abilities.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 09, 2019, 11:25:30 PM
It's not tremendous by any stretch, but I wouldn't classify that as a bum performance. I'd have killed for that type of play in 2010.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 12:36:20 AM
I would have been OK with Adam Gase as an offensive coordinator, but this is a tough one. Maybe he'll come in with a chip on his shoulder.
I understand doubting the Dowell Loggains hiring, but I'm cool with a head coach bringing in his guys. I absolutely hate that our management wouldn't let Matt Rhule hire his own staff.
Vance Joseph as a DC would be a huge move for us, but that's a stretch right now. Brant Boyer absolutely needs to be retained.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 10, 2019, 12:48:20 AM
This is probably the most down I've been about a new NYJ head coach, but you have to wonder if Mike Tannebaum, Stephen Ross, and Chris Grier launched a smear campaign against Adam Gase after how things apparently went down at the end.Gase is an offensive guy. I don't think you can force an offensive coordinator on an offensive coach. Let him hire his guy. We hired Gase because we think he knows offense. Might as well let him prove it. Didn't work with Bowles/Rodgers, though it worked with Rex/Pettine for a while.
I would have been OK with Adam Gase as an offensive coordinator, but this is a tough one. Maybe he'll come in with a chip on his shoulder.
I understand doubting the Dowell Loggains hiring, but I'm cool with a head coach bringing in his guys. I absolutely hate that our management wouldn't let Matt Rhule hire his own staff.
Vance Joseph as a DC would be a huge move for us, but that's a stretch right now. Brant Boyer absolutely needs to be retained.
Post by: reuben on January 10, 2019, 12:51:43 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 01:02:50 AM
lmao
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 01:05:29 AM
Gase is an offensive guy. I don't think you can force an offensive coordinator on an offensive coach. Let him hire his guy. We hired Gase because we think he knows offense. Might as well let him prove it. Didn't work with Bowles/Rodgers, though it worked with Rex/Pettine for a while.
Exactly. I don't like either of the guys, but Loggains knows Gase's system. If we want a smooth transition, then Gase has to hire his own coaches.
It didn't work with Bowles and Rodgers because Bowles let Rodgers do too much. Gase is going to call plays.
Post by: reuben on January 10, 2019, 01:14:13 AM
This freaking REEKS of 2019's most misguided attempt to find the next McVay, except Adam Gase has already been found and he's a dick.
Post by: reuben on January 10, 2019, 01:14:56 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 01:16:43 AM
Jarvis Landry, Kenny Stills, and DaVante Parker all had issues with him. Jordan Phillips too.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 01:29:02 AM
Pretty sure Todd Bowles was 1-6 in one possession games in 2018 alone.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 01:29:34 AM
Do we know who our defensive coordinator is yet?
Most likely going to be Vance Joseph if he doesn't get the Cincinnati job.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 10, 2019, 01:37:28 AM
The college guys I get: unproven commodities, would have been bold moves but they were huge gambles. How in holy hell does Adam Gase get the job over Mike McCarthy though?Over the last 3 seasons, who has done a better job, Adam Gase or Mike McCarthy? I would argue that the answer is Gase. The NFL was so different 7-8 years ago when McCarthy had his best seasons.
This freaking REEKS of 2019's most misguided attempt to find the next McVay, except Adam Gase has already been found and he's a dick.
I don't like the hire, but I like the idea of Gase more than I liked the idea of McCarthy.
If McCarthy were that good of a coach, someone else would have hired him. I don't buy the report that he's only interested in the Jets job. He was only interested in the Jets job because it was the only job he had a chance to get that was remotely appealing.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2019, 02:41:34 AM
I wonder how much influence a legend like Peyton has on an inexperienced guy like Johnson
Post by: guinness77 on January 10, 2019, 03:00:35 AM
This. My opinions of Gase aside, there is nothing in that article that should ease anyone's misgivings about this hire.Oh, I’m certainly not happy about this and I hate Manish as well.
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 10, 2019, 04:10:34 AM
gase has as much of a chance as anyone if he can handle the media and not have meltdowns
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 10, 2019, 04:11:48 AM
for some reason i see a lot of fans trying to paint the fact that manning lobbies for gase as some kind of negative
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 10, 2019, 04:12:55 AM
I wonder how much influence a legend like Peyton has on an inexperienced guy like Johnson
i believe the appropriate joke around here would be dcm mode engaged
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 10, 2019, 04:24:23 AM
I can believe this excrement!
That freaking Dud Duff should have been gone with Bowles.
I am speechless. No!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 06:19:02 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 06:20:06 AM
https://twitter.com/MattOLearyNY/status/1083177861706641408
lmao
Clear evidence he’s great with QBs
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 06:24:30 AM
The first litmus test for me will be Free Agency...if the upper tier free agents pass on the Jets, we’ll know it’s because of Gase.
We know it won’t be from lack of money...we have the cap space for a possible shopping spree.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 06:45:09 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 07:24:04 AM
-Mike Maccagnan
-Christopher Johnson
-Manish Mehta
-Todd Bowles (just because)
-Dowell Loggains
-Adam Gase
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 07:28:08 AM
People who should've woken up with a brick thrown thru their front window this morning:
-Mike Maccagnan
-Christopher Johnson
-Manish Mehta
-Todd Bowles (just because)
-Dowell Loggains
-Adam Gase
MAGA Karl
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 10, 2019, 07:29:32 AM
I need to see some early positive returns before I get on board with Gase.There are a lot of teams with money. If players dont come here, there could be lots of reasons, and I doubt the coach is high on the list.
The first litmus test for me will be Free Agency...if the upper tier free agents pass on the Jets, we’ll know it’s because of Gase.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 07:29:54 AM
MAGA Karl
lmao
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 07:31:49 AM
There are a lot of teams with money. If players dont come here, there could be lots of reasons, and I doubt the coach is high on the list.
Umm...i think the guy these players are going to play for factors in immensely. You don't think potential FAs will contact Gase's former players to get an idea what it's like to play for him? The players all talk to each other.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 07:32:11 AM
Adumb Gayse
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 07:32:41 AM
Towel Logggins
Adumb Gayse
I prefer Bowel Loggains
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 07:35:05 AM
I prefer Bowel Loggains
Yeah, that is better. Bowel....log. Nice.
Speak of the devil, the work crapper is getting ready to get my log gains.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 10, 2019, 07:40:23 AM
Umm...i think the guy these players are going to play for factors in immensely. You don't think potential FAs will contact Gase's former players to get an idea what it's like to play for him? The players all talk to each other.Yes but...
A) I think this talk about how every player hates Gase is a little overblown
B) Monsy and playing time are the most important things, in that order. Living in NJ/NY also matters.
I feel like Gase is the new Geno. I dont like the hire but I'm not as inconsolable as some of you the more I think about it.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 10, 2019, 07:43:02 AM
Post by: Badger on January 10, 2019, 07:43:14 AM
Without trying to hyperbole, my opinion is that this is the worst hire we could have made. At the bottom of my list, I still would have prefered Kingsbury, Bieniemy, Richard. Just about everyone other than Caldwell. I won’t deny that there are some positives to the hire, but I just think there were much better alternatives available. I was super meh on McCarthy but thought he was a much better, much safer hire. I would have rather rolled the dice on Rhule or Kingsbury than Gase. Doesn’t mean I’m right, but I thought this was a dicey hire in a very important hiring period for our franchise.Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the hire.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 07:46:47 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 10, 2019, 07:48:52 AM
@AdamSchefter
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Here’s a coach under consideration to become the Jets’ new defensive coordinator: former Browns’ interim head coach Gregg Williams, sources tell @JeffDarlington and me.
Post by: klaximilian on January 10, 2019, 07:50:08 AM
The hire comes with its fair share of concerns, namely his reputation with the players. How much of that is him being a no-nonsense coach and sending malcontents away? Were Ajayi and Landry a problem? Hard to say.
However Gase was hot excrement just a few years ago and he did work with the ill-equipped dolphins roster that happened to overachieve. He also kicked the Jets butts for three years, so there is that.
This hire is uninspiring for sure, but I’m willing to give it a shot. What other choice do we have?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2019, 07:55:57 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 07:57:08 AM
Yes but...
A) I think this talk about how every player hates Gase is a little overblown
Possibly...but usually where there's smoke there's fire.
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B) Monsy and playing time are the most important things, in that order. Living in NJ/NY also matters.
Agreed, they are important. But i keep thinking if i were a FA, my first order of business is to find out what my working conditions would be like...because chances are it'll be my environment for the next 3 to 4 years. And that starts with the HC.
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I feel like Gase is the new Geno. I dont like the hire but I'm not as inconsolable as some of you the more I think about it.
Gase's last 2 years in Miami were terrible offensively. Does the Jets FO not look at the stats? Or were they waiting for Peyton Manning's stamp of approval...which is freaking ridiculous btw.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 07:58:25 AM
This hire is brilliant; Gase comes in to develop Darnold and then will be fired and 2-3 years. Then once Darnold is developed into a bonafide superstar, they’ll bring in new coach to finish the job and bring the Jets to the promise land. But I digress...
The hire comes with its fair share of concerns, namely his reputation with the players. How much of that is him being a no-nonsense coach and sending malcontents away? Were Ajayi and Landry a problem? Hard to say.
However Gase was hot excrement just a few years ago and he did work with the ill-equipped dolphins roster that happened to overachieve. He also kicked the Jets butts for three years, so there is that.
This hire is uninspiring for sure, but I’m willing to give it a shot. What other choice do we have?
This is how I feel. I'm a sunshiner by nature, admittedly. Yeah, it's quite possible he comes in and is uninspiring, shits on the media (which I will enjoy), and gets fired. But it's also possible he comes in, clicks with Darnold (which is more important that anything because Darnold is the future for 10-15 years), matches up with a good DC and lights a fire under some lazy asses and puts together some wins.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 07:59:04 AM
I have zero coaching ability or experience, and i could've outcoached Todd Bowles. So can we stop with that nonsense?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 08:00:50 AM
I'm not a fan of Gase. But to me the worst part is having this reject as our OC. Get us a young up and comer not Gase's freaking errand boy from Miami
Gase is the OC. Bowel is just a helper. Every team has behind the scenes offensive assistants that no one gives 2 shits about.
Post by: insanity on January 10, 2019, 08:02:11 AM
Still not happy about it, but there are some bright spots.
He's worked under some great coaches - Saban, Martz, Mooch
This leads him to being multiple in his offenses. Vertical vs west coast
He has head coaching experience and can learn from his mistakes
He's data led which is what we wanted
He's not afraid to call out disapproval unlike Bowles
While his offenses haven't been great he's always overachieved with the talent he's had per his record
Peyton has vouched for him on multiple occasions
He can be fired with duff in two years rather than 4
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 08:07:09 AM
Gase's last 2 years in Miami were terrible offensively. Does the Jets FO not look at the stats? Or were they waiting for Peyton Manning's stamp of approval...which is freaking ridiculous btw.
Old Cutler, Glass Tannehill and Brock Osweiler is hardly working with a Porsche on offense. I'm much less concerned with him on offense as I am with him leading the team as a HC. That's the part that I'm concerned with. Hopefully he comes in and instills a hard-working mentality without pissing off everyone.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 08:10:12 AM
Old Cutler, Glass Tannehill and Brock Osweiler is hardly working with a Porsche on offense. I'm much less concerned with him on offense as I am with him leading the team as a HC. That's the part that I'm concerned with. Hopefully he comes in and instills a hard-working mentality without pissing off everyone.
the one positive i have out of all this is that I wanted an offensive minded HC....well, we got one now. I thought we could've done better. The stink in Miami is still too fresh for me to say "well, maybe he's learned from his mistakes". It's only been a few weeks.
Duff needs to hit a few HRs in FA and in the draft for me to start feeling better about this.
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 10, 2019, 08:10:47 AM
After some reading and a night of sleep I'm starting to come around a bit on Gase.
Still not happy about it, but there are some bright spots.
He's worked under some great coaches - Saban, Martz, Mooch
This leads him to being multiple in his offenses. Vertical vs west coast
He has head coaching experience and can learn from his mistakes
He's data led which is what we wanted
He's not afraid to call out disapproval unlike Bowles
While his offenses haven't been great he's always overachieved with the talent he's had per his record
Peyton has vouched for him on multiple occasions
He can be fired with duff in two years rather than 4
Not buying it. Bowles made mistakes for 4 years and never learned anything from the experience.
If the Jets are anything less than 9 & 7 with the best QB prospect we've had since Joe and all the cap space we have I want Duff and Gaze tarred and feathered.
I'm really pissed off by the way.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 08:11:58 AM
the one positive i have out of all this is that I wanted an offensive minded HC....well, we got one now. I thought we could've done better. The stink in Miami is still too fresh for me to say "well, maybe he's learned from his mistakes". It's only been a few weeks.
Duff needs to hit a few HRs in FA and in the draft for me to start feeling better about this.
I'm not pretending Gase was who I wanted all along. But I think he could be good here.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 08:14:17 AM
https://twitter.com/jacobinfante24/status/731991098487267328
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2019, 08:18:45 AM
Gase is the OC. Bowel is just a helper. Every team has behind the scenes offensive assistants that no one gives 2 shits about.
Yeah but Gase has to coach a whole team
And I want a talented OC who can dedicate his life to developing Darnold.
Is the towel boy really the best guy for that
I'd rather freaking utiilze Josh McCown like Tampa is Leftwich
Post by: Gorilla on January 10, 2019, 08:27:20 AM
Footloose? More like derriere-juice, amirite?
Post by: insanity on January 10, 2019, 08:34:43 AM
Not buying it. Bowles made mistakes for 4 years and never learned anything from the experience.And I want a 7 figure salary before the end of the year...
If the Jets are anything less than 9 & 7 with the best QB prospect we've had since Joe and all the cap space we have I want Duff and Gaze tarred and feathered.
I'm really pissed off by the way.
Post by: insanity on January 10, 2019, 08:35:30 AM
Yeah but Gase has to coach a whole teamWho says Mccown won't be the Qb coach...
And I want a talented OC who can dedicate his life to developing Darnold.
Is the towel boy really the best guy for that
I'd rather freaking utiilze Josh McCown like Tampa is Leftwich
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2019, 08:43:43 AM
I do remember everyone liked the Bowles hire, so I guess we never know. Aside from McCarthy, most of what I know about the rest of these guys is from here, and needless to say my views often end up different.
Let's see what happens, some of these guys figure it out more in their second job. This guy did get Miami to the playoffs, which had only been done once this century. And that took Brady getting hurt and us giving them Pennington.
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 10, 2019, 09:01:47 AM
How's everyone this morning? Anyone go off the ledge?
I do remember everyone liked the Bowles hire, so I guess we never know. Aside from McCarthy, most of what I know about the rest of these guys is from here, and needless to say my views often end up different.
Let's see what happens, some of these guys figure it out more in their second job. This guy did get Miami to the playoffs, which had only been done once this century. And that took Brady getting hurt and us giving them Pennington.
Thanks for reminding us how stoopid an organization we dedicate our lives to.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2019, 09:02:34 AM
Also this
| The Bears struggled during Loggains' tenure as OC, with a November 2017 ranking by ESPN placing him dead last among 32 playcallers,[12] while the offense ended the 2017 season averaging just 16.5 points per game (29th in the league).[ |
Post by: Gorilla on January 10, 2019, 09:02:48 AM
Also, tune into WFAN tomorrow at 10 AM EST. Joe Beningo may have the first radio aneurysm
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 09:44:31 AM
Who do you think would've been worse?
I'm no Jim Caldwell fan, but at least he didn't excrement on his players.
When did Gase excrement on his players?
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 09:58:37 AM
When did Gase excrement on his players?
i don't have an approximate time for you. So let's say sometime last season.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 10:01:08 AM
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The 2018 Dolphins finished 31st in offense — the lowest ranking in franchise history
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 10:12:11 AM
i don't have an approximate time for you. So let's say sometime last season.
I mean if you have a source to back up what you’re crying about, then you can keep going.
But don’t just spew off because you don’t like the hire. There’s plenty that can be used against Gase that is actually documented.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 10:17:16 AM
I mean if you have a source to back up what you’re crying about, then you can keep going.
But don’t just spew off because you don’t like the hire. There’s plenty that can be used against Gase that is actually documented.
https://www.thephinsider.com/2018/12/31/18162804/former-miami-dolphins-players-taking-shots-at-adam-gase-firing-head-coach-nfl-fired-twitter
players don't make comments like the ones in that article if there isn't some legit friction.
There's another article i read somewhere where they said Gase isn't a level-headed guy, and his emotions get the better of him, which apparently affected his playcalling.
And i don't want to hear you say the players mentioned in that article are assholes. There's some respected veterans complaining too.
If it were one or 2 players, i'd ignore it. But it's not.
Post by: ons on January 10, 2019, 10:26:32 AM
When did Gase excrement on his players?
I'm not sure if it counts as shitting on his players, but he has used the media to berate his offensive stars for not studying outside of the building:
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I asked Gase why his veteran offense has had such trouble retaining information that he had needed to dumb it down repeatedly: “I don’t think it’s retaining information thing. It’s we’re not putting the work in. That’s what it comes down to. If you can’t remember, you shouldn’t be in the NFL. At the end of the day, guys have got to take this stuff home and study it. They’re not going to just learn it all in meetings. We’ve got to find guys to put forth effort and remember this stuff and it starts with our best players.”
How long issues with not studying? “Two years. I’ve been addressing this for a while. I’m kind of fed up with it.”
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article181319641.html
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 10, 2019, 10:28:09 AM
https://www.thephinsider.com/2018/12/31/18162804/former-miami-dolphins-players-taking-shots-at-adam-gase-firing-head-coach-nfl-fired-twitter
players don't make comments like the ones in that article if there isn't some legit friction.
There's another article i read somewhere where they said Gase isn't a level-headed guy, and his emotions get the better of him, which apparently affected his playcalling.
And i don't want to hear you say the players mentioned in that article are assholes. There's some respected veterans complaining too.
If it were one or 2 players, i'd ignore it. But it's not.
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article223482025.html
Things kinda tetchy around here today and no freaking wonder
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 10:35:23 AM
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article223482025.html
Things kinda tetchy around here today and no freaking wonder
I read that article earlier.
At some point, i'll calm down. I'm just tired of this franchise and their questionable hires. Gase was the last candidate i thought they'd go with, imo he hasn't done enough in this league for me to feel comfortable handing him Sam Darnold to mentor. I'm not interested in getting to 8-8 or 9-7. We have a QB that should take us all the way with the right leadership.
Once FA kicks off, hopefully we'll have something positive to hang our hats on.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 10:36:14 AM
https://www.thephinsider.com/2018/12/31/18162804/former-miami-dolphins-players-taking-shots-at-adam-gase-firing-head-coach-nfl-fired-twitter
players don't make comments like the ones in that article if there isn't some legit friction.
There's another article i read somewhere where they said Gase isn't a level-headed guy, and his emotions get the better of him, which apparently affected his playcalling.
And i don't want to hear you say the players mentioned in that article are assholes. There's some respected veterans complaining too.
If it were one or 2 players, i'd ignore it. But it's not.
Has anyone proven any of this was true? It might be, but our resident douche Manish says it's false. All the stuff about his emotions and playcalling, that's heresay. It might be true, but we'll see. Maybe he's learned from it. I'm sure he's aware of what he did that contributed to his firing and what didn't.
I'll say this, having Stephen Ross as an owner is not exactly a good position to be in.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
Has anyone proven any of this was true? It might be, but our resident douche Manish says it's false. All the stuff about his emotions and playcalling, that's heresay. It might be true, but we'll see. Maybe he's learned from it. I'm sure he's aware of what he did that contributed to his firing and what didn't.
I'll say this, having Stephen Ross as an owner is not exactly a good position to be in.
Like i said in an earlier post. I'll calm down eventually. I'm hoping you're correct in your assessment. But right now, it's still fresh and i'm annoyed.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 10:38:50 AM
Has anyone proven any of this was true? It might be, but our resident douche Manish says it's false. All the stuff about his emotions and playcalling, that's heresay. It might be true, but we'll see. Maybe he's learned from it. I'm sure he's aware of what he did that contributed to his firing and what didn't.
I'll say this, having Stephen Ross as an owner is not exactly a good position to be in.
How would Manish know what goes on in the dolphins locker room? He’s a puff piece artist that attaches WWF gifs to his articles in a pathetic attempt to get more bro likes
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 10:41:10 AM
How would Manish know what goes on in the dolphins locker room? He’s a puff piece artist that attaches WWF gifs to his articles in a pathetic attempt to get more bro likes
This is true
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 10:43:53 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 10:46:02 AM
I keep seeing the idea that Gase did well with a poor roster. He had control over the dolphins 53 man roster. Not exactly an inspiring group of players.
The counter argument is that he had a ton of injuries on that offense. Then again, that's part of the NFL.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 10:47:48 AM
The only thing that's going to calm me down is this poopchute taking the Jets to the Super Bowl. I hate this hire (and I don't like using the word "hate").
Gase was literally last on my list, and he was only on the list at all because he is a person that exists.
Post by: insanity on January 10, 2019, 10:48:17 AM
Has anyone proven any of this was true? It might be, but our resident douche Manish says it's false. All the stuff about his emotions and playcalling, that's heresay. It might be true, but we'll see. Maybe he's learned from it. I'm sure he's aware of what he did that contributed to his firing and what didn't.Also everyone couldn't stand Bowles because he showed no emotion.
I'll say this, having Stephen Ross as an owner is not exactly a good position to be in.
Now we're pissed because Gase shows too much emotion
Figure out what you guys want and get back to me.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 10:51:19 AM
Also everyone couldn't stand Bowles because he showed no emotion.
Now we're pissed because Gase shows too much emotion
Figure out what you guys want and get back to me.
None of the players disliked Bowles
Post by: Gorilla on January 10, 2019, 11:09:13 AM
I didn't sleep last night because of this hire. I'm disgusted with this team.
The only thing that's going to calm me down is this poopchute taking the Jets to the Super Bowl. I hate this hire (and I don't like using the word "hate").
Gase was literally last on my list, and he was only on the list at all because he is a person that exists.
Goddamn, your list consisted of every person that exists??
You really do hate Gase.
I woke up in the middle of the night, half-asleep, wondering "did I just dream that we hired Adam gase?" I quickly remembered it was reality.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 11:11:04 AM
I keep seeing the idea that Gase did well with a poor roster. He had control over the dolphins 53 man roster. Not exactly an inspiring group of players.
I asked a Miami fan friend of mine about his control of the roster. He said Gase had "control" but Chris Grier had final say over draft picks.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 11:11:32 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 11:13:47 AM
I asked a Miami fan friend of mine about his control of the roster. He said Gase had "control" but Chris Grier had final say over draft picks.
Thanks for clarifying, I was looking over their draft picks earlier
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 11:14:05 AM
Adam Gase is the "You Don't Know Football" of head coaches.
His playcalling was hacked by Iranians?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 11:20:14 AM
Thanks for clarifying, I was looking over their draft picks earlier
Gase cutting Jordan Phillips and trading away Jarvis Landry showed what kind of control he had when it comes to personnel moves.
That Albert Wilson signing looked really good until he got hurt.
That Robert Quinn trade really sticks out. The Dolphins are going to release him. That might be out best option to add a pass rusher before the draft...
Post by: Miamipuck on January 10, 2019, 11:21:45 AM
Dowell strikes me as name for a special needs kid
True it's pretty close in sound to Darryl.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
Gase cutting Jordan Phillips and trading away Jarvis Landry showed what kind of control he had when it comes to personnel moves.
That Albert Wilson signing looked really good until he got hurt.
That Robert Quinn trade really sticks out. The Dolphins are going to release him. That might be out best option to add a pass rusher before the draft...
There had to have been something behind the Ajayi trade too. I’m not saying Ajayi is a stud that had to be kept, or even that it was a bad return, but it seems like Gase has a propensity for conflict with players and then getting rid of them. I’m sure he’ll love Robbie Anderson though
Post by: Miamipuck on January 10, 2019, 11:31:53 AM
Just about every single Jets fan I’ve met in my life, in person, has been a complete retard. That’s why I’m here. You guys are the best of the worst.
We should make that our motto here "the best of the worst"
I am totally cool with that.
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2019, 11:37:43 AM
There had to have been something behind the Ajayi trade too.
I'm going to guess at his papier mache knees.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 10, 2019, 11:48:22 AM
I keep hearing that Gase's record against us is some form of positive.
I have zero coaching ability or experience, and i could've outcoached Todd Bowles. So can we stop with that nonsense?
I can agree with this.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 12:34:16 PM
I was too furious and didn't think to save it last night and I can't find it now. If true, this might be the Jetsiest thing this organization has ever done. "I don't want that guy, and you don't want this guy, so let's just take the worst guy and call it even!"
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 12:45:49 PM
I didn't sleep last night because of this hire. I'm disgusted with this team.
The only thing that's going to calm me down is this poopchute taking the Jets to the Super Bowl. I hate this hire (and I don't like using the word "hate").
Gase was literally last on my list, and he was only on the list at all because he is a person that exists.
I slept like a rock last night. Thank you Crown Royal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 12:46:39 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 12:46:42 PM
Did anyone else see last night the tweet that said Gase was the "compromise" choice? That half the front office wanted Rhule, and the other half McCarthy (I think, but maybe it was Monken), so they came to an agreement on Gase.
I was too furious and didn't think to save it last night and I can't find it now. If true, this might be the Jetsiest thing this organization has ever done. "I don't want that guy, and you don't want this guy, so let's just take the worst guy and call it even!"
I really hope there is ZERO truth to this.
Post by: Koz on January 10, 2019, 12:49:24 PM
I slept like a rock last night. Thank you Crown Royal.
If you can't sleep because of a decision your football team made, you sir, are a hoo-ha. Nothing any team does or doesn't do should keep you up at night. It's a damm sport, that's it. It's not life...
Post by: guinness77 on January 10, 2019, 12:57:24 PM
I asked a Miami fan friend of mine about his control of the roster. He said Gase had "control" but Chris Grier had final say over draft picks.I found out about the hire because one of my buddies who is a Dolphins fan, and one who’s football acumen is quite well and I respect, txted me, simply, “Hahahahaha”. I had no idea what it was about.
Post by: guinness77 on January 10, 2019, 12:58:07 PM
His playcalling was hacked by Iranians?Algerians
Post by: guinness77 on January 10, 2019, 12:58:43 PM
True it's pretty close in sound to Darryl.Hahaha
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2019, 01:02:26 PM
If you can't sleep because of a decision your football team made, you sir, are a hoo-ha. Nothing any team does or doesn't do should keep you up at night. It's a damm sport, that's it. It's not life...
Seriously. We're Jet fans. This hire might turn out terrible, might not, but the hiring by itself doesn't crack the top 100 worst Jets moments of my lifetime. Granted my lifetime is longer than most of yours, but still.
I found out about the hire because one of my buddies who is a Dolphins fan, and one who’s football acumen is quite well and I respect, txted me, simply, “Hahahahaha”. I had no idea what it was about.
A friend from college put something on my Facebook page while I was coaching hoops. I took a peak, saw a guy in Dolphins colors and the word Jets, immediately knew things here would be ugly lol.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 01:10:29 PM
If you can't sleep because of a decision your football team made, you sir, are a hoo-ha. Nothing any team does or doesn't do should keep you up at night. It's a damm sport, that's it. It's not life...
Well, i can tell you i wouldn't boycott football because some players took a knee during an anthem. So i guess i have that going for me.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 01:10:50 PM
https://twitter.com/awilliamson54/status/1083408277394935809
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2019, 01:24:57 PM
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/rex.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1)
Deal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 01:30:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2019, 01:34:36 PM
I really hope there is ZERO truth to this.
I'll give you a clue:
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Did anyone else see last night the tweet
99.999999% of things said on Twitter are complete bullshit.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 01:36:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2019, 01:39:29 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 01:44:45 PM
Well, i can tell you i wouldn't boycott football because some players took a knee during an anthem. So i guess i have that going for me.
BOOM
headshot
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
Another thought occurred to me about this earlier: if we accept as truth the statement that Darnold felt that Gase was the guy he best gelled with and wanted to work with (which I think we have to do as it was a public statement and attributing things he didn't say is a pretty good way to pee a player off), then all of you screaming about this being such a terrible hire are effectively saying "Sam, we know better than you what you need".
Darnold met with all the HC Candidates? Come on
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2019, 01:47:58 PM
Darnold met with all the HC Candidates? Come on
You did?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2019, 01:51:58 PM
Darnold met with all the HC Candidates? Come on
I mean it was widely reported and talked about that he did a Skype thing with Gase.
And if he Skyped with Gase I'd imagine there's a very good chance he communicated with the other serious candidates as well.
That said there is a reason Jet fans should be pissed. It's because the FO thought Rhule was the best guy but then hired Gase because they wouldn't let Rhule pick his own staff. THAT is the true reason fans should be pissed the freak off.
If they came out and genuinely thought Gase was the best guy fine. But they freaking thought rule was a better pick but then hired a consolation prize because they wanted to micromanage Rhule
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 01:56:29 PM
You did?
No, but it looks like I should have. Our FO doesn’t have a great track record.
Post by: Gorilla on January 10, 2019, 02:07:04 PM
I'll give you a clue:
99.999999% of things said on Twitter are complete bullshit.
no doubt. Twitter is mostly a cesspool of imbeciles who are desperate to show how uninformed and willfully ignorant they are.
I've had a couple of days to get used to the idea of a Gase hiring. As I told MBGreen a couple of days ago:
Dude...Im bracing myself for Gase. I wouldn't bet on it, but I wouldn't be shocked.
Although we had flavors-of-the-day like McCarthy and Kingsbury and Rhule, Gase's name was always the constant...the background buzz that wasn't going away.
As I think I've mentioned before, in 2015-16 most of us would have done cartwheels for Gase as HC. He was the McVay and Kyle Shanahan of a few yrs ago. He checks the boxes the FO was evidently looking for: young, NFL experience as QB coach/OC, NFL HC experience, respected offensive mind. His downsides (poor communicator, losing record in MIA) are glaring, but maybe overblown? Could any other HC have done better with that Miami roster? Maybe we need more of a hard-derriere, no nonsense approach? His QBs seem to advocate for him wherever he went, and his intelligence, passion and studiousness of the game can't be questioned. At this point we've gone over all his pros and cons in this thread haha.
I'm disappointed by the hire (I wouldn't necessarily say "pissed"), but I'm optimistic. If this is what was deemed best for Darnold, I'm happy to roll with it. I can see the perceived upside of Gase. I'm not going to yell and stomp my feet because I wasn't consulted for my expertise as a run-of-the-mill retard Jets fan. I wasn't upset when we hired Herm or Mangini or Rex or Bowles, and they all sucked derriere in hindsight. So wtf do I know. Gase helps QBs, he knows the position. Like everyone here, I'm only able to hope for the best and continue to root for this team, esp Darnold. It's hard for me to get too worked up and stressed out when I don't have a crystal ball. Also, I have bigger problems what with my full-blown AIDS and all. (jk)
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 02:07:07 PM
Another thought occurred to me about this earlier: if we accept as truth the statement that Darnold felt that Gase was the guy he best gelled with and wanted to work with (which I think we have to do as it was a public statement and attributing things he didn't say is a pretty good way to pee a player off), then all of you screaming about this being such a terrible hire are effectively saying "Sam, we know better than you what you need".
I'm going to call bullshit on this one.
They didn't hang out for a couple of weeks getting to know each other. They spoke at one point or another during the interview process.
I don't like to knock this, because I think including Darnold in the process was a great move by the team, but Gase impressed Sam for, what, a couple of hours, tops? And we have no idea what was discussed. Maybe they talked exclusively about play design/scheme, which I can believe Gase would be comfortable speaking about.
My issue is that if he's the poopchute that we've seen him made out to be, he's not going to be a good head coach. People tend to temper their inner poopchute during job interviews.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 02:08:30 PM
Bunch of quotes from Darnold. Mainly rah-rah stuff, but good to see the QB on board.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 02:10:16 PM
no doubt. Twitter is mostly a cesspool of imbeciles who are desperate to show how uninformed and willfully ignorant they are.
I've had a couple of days to get used to the idea of a Gase hiring. As I told MBGreen a couple of days ago:
Although we had flavors-of-the-day like McCarthy and Kingsbury and Rhule, Gase's name was always the constant...the background buzz that wasn't going away.
As I think I've mentioned before, in 2015-16 most of us would have done cartwheels for Gase as HC. He was the McVay and Kyle Shanahan of a few yrs ago. He checks the boxes the FO was evidently looking for: young, NFL experience as QB coach/OC, NFL HC experience, respected offensive mind. His downsides (poor communicator, losing record in MIA) are glaring, but maybe overblown? Could any other HC have done better with that Miami roster? Maybe we need more of a hard-derriere, no nonsense approach? His QBs seem to advocate for him wherever he went, and his intelligence, passion and studiousness of the game can't be questioned. At this point we've gone over all his pros and cons in this thread haha.
I'm disappointed by the hire (I wouldn't necessarily say "pissed"), but I'm optimistic. If this is what was deemed best for Darnold, I'm happy to roll with it. I can see the perceived upside of Gase. I'm not going to yell and stomp my feet because I wasn't consulted for my expertise as a run-of-the-mill retard Jets fan. I wasn't upset when we hired Herm or Mangini or Rex or Bowles, and they all sucked derriere in hindsight. So wtf do I know. Gase helps QBs, he knows the position. Like everyone here, I'm only able to hope for the best and continue to root for this team, esp Darnold. It's hard for me to get too worked up and stressed out when I don't have a crystal ball. Also, I have bigger problems what with my full-blown AIDS and all. (jk)
I'm starting to calm down. I still hate the hire, but i'm willing to take the wait and see approach (i mean, what other choice do we have).
Post by: Gorilla on January 10, 2019, 02:14:39 PM
I'm starting to calm down. I still hate the hire, but i'm willing to take the wait and see approach (i mean, what other choice do we have).
I hear you, man. I found out about the hire an hour late (was watching Annihilation with the wife...it was really good!).
I saw my phone had been blowing up, and I immediately went to this board and saw the top thread announcing the hire, and I admit my first thought was "Well, freak...". But there's upside to the hire, especially for a quarterback. Let's wait and see.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 02:15:22 PM
No, but it looks like I should have. Our FO doesn’t have a great track record.
WTF are you talking about?
If you ignore all the injured players who failed out of the league, and all the mid-round misses, and the Fitz2 contract, and the Revis contract, and the Wilkerson contract, and the Tru Johnson contract, and the Hackenberg pick, and the Petty pick, they have a great track record!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 02:17:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2019, 02:21:05 PM
no doubt. Twitter is mostly a cesspool of imbeciles who are desperate to show how uninformed and willfully ignorant they are.
I've had a couple of days to get used to the idea of a Gase hiring. As I told MBGreen a couple of days ago:
Although we had flavors-of-the-day like McCarthy and Kingsbury and Rhule, Gase's name was always the constant...the background buzz that wasn't going away.
As I think I've mentioned before, in 2015-16 most of us would have done cartwheels for Gase as HC. He was the McVay and Kyle Shanahan of a few yrs ago. He checks the boxes the FO was evidently looking for: young, NFL experience as QB coach/OC, NFL HC experience, respected offensive mind. His downsides (poor communicator, losing record in MIA) are glaring, but maybe overblown? Could any other HC have done better with that Miami roster? Maybe we need more of a hard-derriere, no nonsense approach? His QBs seem to advocate for him wherever he went, and his intelligence, passion and studiousness of the game can't be questioned. At this point we've gone over all his pros and cons in this thread haha.
I'm disappointed by the hire (I wouldn't necessarily say "pissed"), but I'm optimistic. If this is what was deemed best for Darnold, I'm happy to roll with it. I can see the perceived upside of Gase. I'm not going to yell and stomp my feet because I wasn't consulted for my expertise as a run-of-the-mill retard Jets fan. I wasn't upset when we hired Herm or Mangini or Rex or Bowles, and they all sucked derriere in hindsight. So wtf do I know. Gase helps QBs, he knows the position. Like everyone here, I'm only able to hope for the best and continue to root for this team, esp Darnold. It's hard for me to get too worked up and stressed out when I don't have a crystal ball. Also, I have bigger problems what with my full-blown AIDS and all. (jk)
This is a good post.
Powdered rhino horn and blue crystals in alignment with a full moon will cure the AIDs.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 02:22:02 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-sam-darnold-adam-gase-jets-20190110-story.html
Bunch of quotes from Darnold. Mainly rah-rah stuff, but good to see the QB on board.
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“The reason that I’m so pumped is that I know — and I’m confident — that we’re going to score a lot of points,” Darnold said. “And at the end of the day, that’s how you win games. Obviously, people say offense wins games, defenses win championships. But I think at the end of the day, if you score more points than the other team, you’re going to win.”
I love Sam Darnold.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 02:23:32 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 02:25:06 PM
I think the question we're all wondering, how is Jeremy Bates going to mesh with Gase?
Speaking of our former coordinators, Kacy Rodgers interviewed with the Giants today. lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 02:27:00 PM
Great hire.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 02:27:33 PM
I want to be wrong about Gase. I really, truly hope I am and I can eat some delicious crow with all you knuckleheads in the Canyon of Heroes in the next couple of years.
But I'm definitely not feeling good about this hire right now. As I mentioned in all the Duff conversations, losing another 2 years means the first 6 of Sam's career are a wash.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 02:29:35 PM
I think the question we're all wondering, how is Jeremy Bates going to mesh with Gase?
Bates should have to fetch Loggain Oswalt's coffee all season.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2019, 02:35:25 PM
I'm still as calm/angry as I was last night and will be for the foreseeable future.
I want to be wrong about Gase. I really, truly hope I am and I can eat some delicious crow with all you knuckleheads in the Canyon of Heroes in the next couple of years.
But I'm definitely not feeling good about this hire right now. As I mentioned in all the Duff conversations, losing another 2 years means the first 6 of Sam's career are a wash.
I mean Gase might not be a good HC
But I don't think he would be below average at bringing along a young QB.
So worst case scenario were looking at Darnold being 26 years old and a top 10 QB (assuming that it's within him) then we would be able to attract every and any top coaching candidates
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2019, 02:37:14 PM
losing another 2 years means the first 6 of Sam's career are a wash.
You're going to have to show the class your workings on that one.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 02:39:24 PM
We really needed to get this hire right. It remains to be seen if we did or not. The early eye test says we didn't,but hopefully Gase turns out to be the right fit.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 02:41:34 PM
You're going to have to show the class your workings on that one.
I've done it a dozen times already, but okay, I'll entertain the request.
Sam's had a year in the league already. A terrible season for the team that wasted his obvious talent. Maccagnan and Gase have to get at least 2 years now to show whether they can do something together. That's the first 3 years of Sam's career gone. If it doesn't work out, they need a new GM and HC--who they then need to give a legit 3 years to rebuild the team according to their vision.
6 years of Sam Darnold's career washed away.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 02:44:16 PM
A terrible season for the team that wasted his obvious talent.
I'm sorry, but how was Darnold's talent wasted this season?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 10, 2019, 02:45:59 PM
It doesn't sound too bad if we get the same, a great QB, well developed, and a bad coach. You have to be really terrible to freak it up in this league with a Top-5 QB.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 02:48:21 PM
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“I think putting him together with (quarterback) Sam Darnold is going to be a very good combination,” CBS NFL analyst Tony Romo said Thursday to reporters on the set of The NFL Today. “I think Darnold has some Peyton Manning-type traits. Adam obviously did a great job with Peyton and that situation in Denver.”
What is the basis for the comparison between the future Hall of Famer Manning and Darnold, who was 4-9 as a rookie starter?
“Spatial awareness and an ability to get through reads quickly,” Romo said. "I think (Sam) is going to be a fantastic player. I think he is going to make a huge leap next year. Some players have this ability I call spatial awareness: Instinctful ability to see leverage and get off a receiver when they are going through a progression far faster than other people.
"It’s probably the most underrated trait that people can’t analyze. They see running or movement or a big play. What they don’t see is you got to the fourth receiver in 1.2 seconds, not 2.4. That’s really the secret to the best players at that position. I think Sam has some of those qualities.”
- Romo
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 02:57:04 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2019, 03:01:53 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 03:03:52 PM
I'm sorry, but how was Darnold's talent wasted this season?
It was a lost season on a team lacking talent in a lot of areas.
Maccagnan had already had 3 years to build the team before drafting Sam. Even if we discount the first one because "he didn't have his guys" in the front office he still had 3 full drafts and free agency periods to fill out the roster with his team.
We're in agreement that there are some strong foundational players in Herndon, Anderson, and Adams that he brought in. But he's been here 4 years. There should be more talent on this team at this point. Darnold should have been learning the game with a lot more foundational pieces around himself. Rather than looking at an upcoming season where this team could compete for a playoff spot, we're looking at year 2 of a rebuild.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 03:05:22 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2019, 03:07:02 PM
Bates should have to fetch Loggain Oswalt's coffee all season.
I should probably know this, but did we not fire the whole staff? Who is still here? Special teams coach, I hope.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 03:07:26 PM
It was a lost season on a team lacking talent in a lot of areas.
I don't understand this way of thinking.
We were rebuilding. Did you think Sam was going to lead us to the playoffs in 2018?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 03:08:09 PM
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“I might not be as outspoken about it, but I’m definitely going to try to convince guys to see what they can do for us,” Darnold told the Daily News on Thursday. “If you can get great players and good players on your team, why not reach out and try to do that? I might not be as outspoken, but I’m definitely doing some work.”
This team needs good and great players
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 03:21:41 PM
Well, i can tell you i wouldn't boycott football because some players took a knee during an anthem. So i guess i have that going for me.
IT'S ONLY A GAME!
*cries about players kneeling while bowing down to Donald Trump Fathead©*
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 03:24:59 PM
I don't understand this way of thinking.
We were rebuilding. Did you think Sam was going to lead us to the playoffs in 2018?
Of course not. He's not godking...yet.
My problem is the fact that we're still rebuilding 4+ years into Maccagnan's tenure--and there's still at least a couple of years to go before it's done. If more talent had existed on this team via the plethora of draft picks and truckloads of cash to spend in the previous 3 years, drafting Darnold plus some nice pieces would have been a final step rather than the first one.
Maybe you're misunderstanding me? I'm not putting any of this on Darnold. In reality, I think he's already shown us that if he gets some protection up front and one or two more quality targets to throw to, he's going to be a superstar.
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2019, 03:46:53 PM
My problem is the fact that we're still rebuilding 4+ years into Maccagnan's tenure
You keep saying this but it isn't any more true than it was any of the previous times.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 03:58:40 PM
You keep saying this but it isn't any more true than it was any of the previous times.
So we’re trying to compete and failing. Who cares what you call it.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 10, 2019, 04:01:10 PM
IT'S ONLY A GAME!
*cries about players kneeling while bowing down to Donald Trump Fathead©*
...where can I buy these Trump fatheads?
L
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2019, 04:09:57 PM
...where can I buy these Trump fatheads?
L
The same place you can buy anything else.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DS9GEE0
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 04:13:17 PM
You keep saying this but it isn't any more true than it was any of the previous times.
Which part isn't true? The part where Maccagnan's been in charge for 4 years? Or is it the part where we're still rebuilding?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 04:15:20 PM
Which part isn't true? The part where Maccagnan's been in charge for 4 years? Or is it the part where we're still rebuilding?
We were not rebuilding in 2015 and 2016.
It started in 2017.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2019, 04:16:27 PM
Post by: Pope on January 10, 2019, 04:19:28 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2019, 04:26:02 PM
I’ve been holding a gun to my head since this announcement and I swear to freaking God I’m gonna pull the trigger any second
Cheer up. Knicks play tomorrow.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 04:30:17 PM
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“His impact will be huge,” Jeffery told NJ Advance Media at NovaCare Complex on Thursday. “I think Darnold will excel. Knowing the Adam Gase that I know, and the potential the Jets are looking for, I’m pretty sure Sam is going to be a Super Bowl MVP. He can win a Super Bowl.
"Darnold will be an MVP in this league working with Gase. The way Gase works with quarterbacks, the next year and over the years to come, I expect big things coming from those two.”
Alshon Jeffrey weighs in (sloppyfatz)
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 04:30:23 PM
We were not rebuilding in 2015 and 2016.
It started in 2017.
"Competitive rebuild" was Maccagnan's own phrase from the start.
I could forgive any missteps with contracts if his draft record was good, but it's not. I hope that it's because he let Bowles and his band of idiots have too much input. But again, I'm tired of hoping. I want to see results.
Also, even if we assume it started in 2017, this is 2019, so it's the magic "third year" of the rebuild. At this point, a GM is supposed to be on the cusp of getting his team to the playoffs. Are we expecting to compete for a wild card this year? I'd be very pleasantly surprised but very surprised all the same.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 04:30:35 PM
I’ve been holding a gun to my head since this announcement and I swear to freaking God I’m gonna pull the trigger any second
Wanna murder suicide each other?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2019, 04:31:25 PM
Cheer up. Knicks play tomorrow.
How is that supposed to make anyone feel better?
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2019, 04:31:40 PM
Alshon Jeffrey weighs in (sloppyfatz)
Ugh, stop posting puff pieces about Gase until I've gotten all my rage out. I don't want to get excited.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 04:37:52 PM
Ugh, stop posting puff pieces about Gase until I've gotten all my rage out. I don't want to get excited.I’ve got some more good ones but I’m not done slandering yet
Post by: Pope on January 10, 2019, 04:40:01 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 10, 2019, 04:42:30 PM
The same place you can buy anything else.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DS9GEE0
My main question regarding Amazon these days is whether Bezos divorce papers were shipped using standard or Prime.
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 10, 2019, 04:44:18 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 04:50:28 PM
My main question regarding Amazon these days is whether Bezos divorce papers were shipped using standard or Prime.
How did that dude not have a prenup?
I mean, he's gonna be fine either way, but man his wife hit the jackpot.
Post by: insanity on January 10, 2019, 05:11:54 PM
"Competitive rebuild" was Maccagnan's own phrase from the start.Fyp
I could forgive any missteps with one bad contract
Post by: insanity on January 10, 2019, 05:12:12 PM
i'm not active enough to know individual posters very well but i'm pretty sure every alio post I've ever read is some form of saying maccagnan should be fired for not hitting on one or two more 3rd-5th round picksYes
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2019, 05:16:33 PM
Are we expecting to compete for a wild card this year?
I think so. We have the core pieces, they need help but add a pass rush, some extra protection and a weapon and we're absolutely in a position to be a better team than the Bills and Dolphins.
Post by: Jumbo on January 10, 2019, 05:19:33 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2019, 05:25:49 PM
Are we expecting to compete for a wild card this year? I'd be very pleasantly surprised but very surprised all the same.
We're close if Sam takes the next step.
Like JE said, if we fix up our pass rush and our offensive line, we'll be in trending in the right direction.
Reading up on Gase all afternoon, he was adamant about building his defense and Stephen Ross meddled around and disagreed with his direction. Sounds like he had a plan in place for a quick fix in Miami, but Ross was content with tearing it down.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2019, 05:56:52 PM
He explains a lot about what went on with Adam Gase's tenure in Miami. It sounds like he demanded his players work hard, put in the effort and not make mistakes. The ones that didn't like him were the ones that didn't do that. He also explained that when he was hired, they gave him full control over the roster contractually as well as playcalling, which was way too much for him to take on as a rookie head coach. It bled over into his coaching which suffered because he had too much responsibility outside of it. He did make some mistakes along the way but he seemed to learn from it pretty quickly. He never cared too much about offensive guards because Peyton Manning got rid of the ball so fast it wasn't a big deal. Once he didn't have Peyton Manning, he learned it was a big deal and signed Josh Sitton.
I don't blame him for clashing with the owner because he sucks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 10, 2019, 06:13:03 PM
We're close if Sam takes the next step.Exactly. The idea on this board that we can't turn it around in one year is fallacy. In the NFL, all it takes is one good offseason and a quarterback to turn a team around. We hopefully have the quarterback. We have the resources to have a great offseason. Let's make it happen.
Like JE said, if we fix up our pass rush and our offensive line, we'll be in trending in the right direction.
Reading up on Gase all afternoon, he was adamant about building his defense and Stephen Ross meddled around and disagreed with his direction. Sounds like he had a plan in place for a quick fix in Miami, but Ross was content with tearing it down.
We aren't close enough where we can compete for a Super Bowl next year, but if we fill in a few of our needs and Darnold develops, there's no reason we can't compete for a playoff spot.
- Upgrade two of the OG/C spots
- Get a new WR
- Get a new RB
- Get an edge rusher
- Fortify CB
If we do 3-4 of those things this offseason - and with our draft capital and cap space, that shouldn't be hard - and we should compete next year, assuming Darnold keeps developing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 09:05:45 PM
This guy seems like a tiny bit of a headcase
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 09:08:25 PM
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In three years with the Miami Dolphins, two as offensive coordinator, Clyde Christensen was never allowed to coach the QBs.
Salguero
Post by: mj2sexay on January 10, 2019, 09:09:09 PM
https://amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article224207715.html?__twitter_impression=true
This guy seems like a tiny bit of a headcase
I've been wondering if this incident steers Vance towards another DC job.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2019, 05:57:57 AM
A lot of people wanted an offensive head coach with previous HC experience. Well, we got one.
He seems like the Dolphins version of Eric Mangini. Smart guy, great year one, disappointed after, and rubbed enough people the wrong way where he got out of there. They even had the same records. People thought each was a genius, then they were both gone quickly. Granted, Gase may have pushed himself out.
I hate to say it but Francesa's open today was pretty spot on with Gase if you want to be a rational fan.
The biggest questions are
- will he be able to deal with the media?
- will he be able to deal with the players?
- is he actually a good coach or did he just ride Peyton's coattails
The most important thing for this organization is to develop Sam Darnold. And it sounds like Darnold loves him.
Peyton's recommendation at least tells me that he is a smart guy who quarterbacks respect. He hasn't proven he can develop quarterbacks, but is not developing a 28-year old Ryan Tannehill really his fault?
I dont love his track record in Miami, and I preferred Monken and Rhule, but I'm giving Gase a clean slate. But he is also on a shorter leash along with Maccagnan.
And he also wont has as much responsibility here. Hopefully that means he can focus more on coaching and be better at that. He seems like a smart guy.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2019, 06:14:21 AM
Post by: Koz on January 11, 2019, 06:53:29 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2019, 08:08:07 AM
So a few days later, I'm not as upset.
A lot of people wanted an offensive head coach with previous HC experience. Well, we got one.
He seems like the Dolphins version of Eric Mangini. Smart guy, great year one, disappointed after, and rubbed enough people the wrong way where he got out of there. They even had the same records. People thought each was a genius, then they were both gone quickly. Granted, Gase may have pushed himself out.
I hate to say it but Francesa's open today was pretty spot on with Gase if you want to be a rational fan.
The biggest questions are
- will he be able to deal with the media?
- will he be able to deal with the players?
- is he actually a good coach or did he just ride Peyton's coattails
The most important thing for this organization is to develop Sam Darnold. And it sounds like Darnold loves him.
Peyton's recommendation at least tells me that he is a smart guy who quarterbacks respect. He hasn't proven he can develop quarterbacks, but is not developing a 28-year old Ryan Tannehill really his fault?
I dont love his track record in Miami, and I preferred Monken and Rhule, but I'm giving Gase a clean slate. But he is also on a shorter leash along with Maccagnan.
And he also wont has as much responsibility here. Hopefully that means he can focus more on coaching and be better at that. He seems like a smart guy.
Solid Post, Mack....and i'm at the same point. Had a few days to digest this and now i'm completely in the "wait and see what happens" camp.
My biggest gripe was that we didn't have an offensive-minded HC, that craving has been satisfied. As long as Darnold progresses and we start winning games, i'm happy.
On to Free Agency....
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2019, 08:23:31 AM
Post by: Pope on January 11, 2019, 08:36:12 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
What I always come back to when teams make head scratching decisions is that there are multiple people in these rooms who make millions of dollars making these choices. They spend a great deal of time researching and analyzing coaches, players, salary cap, etc. There must be a solid foundation to these selections, not as if they taped 8 names to a dart board and threw the damn decision blindfolded
The bolded part of your post is how they decided on Bowles.
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 11, 2019, 09:43:49 AM
What I always come back to when teams make head scratching decisions is that there are multiple people in these rooms who make millions of dollars making these choices. They spend a great deal of time researching and analyzing coaches, players, salary cap, etc. There must be a solid foundation to these selections, not as if they taped 8 names to a dart board and threw the damn decision blindfolded
Man, I laughed heartily when I read this - we are the New York Football Jets after all.
I think what you have said is actually my thinking also, surely Gase must have made a serious impact on the selection committee for him to go from last to first.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2019, 10:51:00 AM
Gase is also credited with Cutler having a career year with him in Chicago but Cutler was absolutely freaking absumyal with him in Miami last year
Didn't he already retire and come back when Tannehill got hurt? Cutler isn't good enough to not train and then step in, he's not Vinny.
I've been thinking about this, I hated Gase because he was the Head Coach of Miami. How sweet would it be to have success with a guy they fired? Almost like a reverse of Belichick, except Belichick left on his own, we gave him the job, didn't fire him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 11, 2019, 12:27:51 PM
New #Jets coach Adam Gase is on the verge of a big hire: Former #Browns interim coach Gregg Williams is in talks with Gase to become their new defensive coordinator, sources say. Things are progressing in this direction, and those involved believe it’ll get done.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2019, 12:31:33 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2019, 12:31:35 PM
Rappaport
New #Jets coach Adam Gase is on the verge of a big hire: Former #Browns interim coach Gregg Williams is in talks with Gase to become their new defensive coordinator, sources say. Things are progressing in this direction, and those involved believe it’ll get done.
This would make the Gase hiring fairly exciting to me. If we ended up getting a real OC like Monken paired up with Williams at DC I'd suddenly be thrilled with the Gase move
Post by: Gorilla on January 11, 2019, 12:40:07 PM
Awesome. My very least favourite coaching staff - Gase as HC with Williams as DC. This is going to test even my powers of optimism.
Team poopchute! Let's goooo!
Post by: Pope on January 11, 2019, 12:41:49 PM
Over/under on how many weeks into the season until Gase tells Mehta to go freak himself?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2019, 12:44:10 PM
My biggest concern would be him getting a HC gig and being gone in a year.
Post by: Jumbo on January 11, 2019, 12:45:52 PM
I think it's a solid hire. I'm sure they are both assholes, but I don't have to live with them. Gregg Williams gets results and motivates his players. The head hunting thing was awful, but he paid his price.
My biggest concern would be him getting a HC gig and being gone in a year.
He's in his 60s at this point and doesn't have the best rep, not so sure he'll be highly coveted unless our defense is amazing next year.
This could also be a catalyst to switch to a more 4-3 base defense, I think.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2019, 12:49:01 PM
He's in his 60s at this point and doesn't have the best rep, not so sure he'll be highly coveted unless our defense is amazing next year.Pretty sure it will be a 4-3. It'll be interesting to see who fits where.
This could also be a catalyst to switch to a more 4-3 base defense, I think.
I want to think Darron Lee came out of college as a 4-3 OLB, so he might switch. Maybe Big Cat and Pennel at DT, Jordan Jenkins and ? at DE. I dunno.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2019, 12:49:25 PM
All time quote.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 11, 2019, 12:53:03 PM
As a defensive player, can you imagine going from the mild-mannered Bowles to the in your face, curse you out Gregg Williams? Talk about a culture shock.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2019, 12:53:55 PM
This would make the Gase hiring fairly exciting to me. If we ended up getting a real OC like Monken paired up with Williams at DC I'd suddenly be thrilled with the Gase move
Our OC really is just a guy. Adam Gase has full control of the play-calling, which probably makes the position far less appealing than most people realize.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2019, 12:54:24 PM
As a defensive player, can you imagine going from the mild-mannered Bowles to the in your face, curse you out Gregg Williams? Talk about a culture shock.
Leonard Williams already has excrement in his pants
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2019, 12:54:36 PM
“Gotta drop your nut sack in the C-gap”
All time quote.
"GO GET SOME BITCH"
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2019, 12:54:52 PM
He's in his 60s at this point and doesn't have the best rep, not so sure he'll be highly coveted unless our defense is amazing next year.
This could also be a catalyst to switch to a more 4-3 base defense, I think.
Hopefully he turns into a Wade Phillips type of guy, done with his aspirations and content just being a top tier DC.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 11, 2019, 12:56:29 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2019, 12:56:50 PM
I'm sure Williams is going to love Trumaine JohnsonHe coached him in STL
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2019, 12:56:56 PM
Our OC really is just a guy. Adam Gase has full control of the play-calling, which probably makes the position far less appealing than most people realize.
I’ve read that Gase’s OC’s main responsibility is putting together the weekly gameplan. I still think they should hire someone with a little bit more to offer Sam. Dalton Goggins resume screams that he shouldn’t have a job
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2019, 12:58:00 PM
I'm sure Williams is going to love Trumaine Johnson
Tru likes him.
“I loved him. He’s aggressive on all downs.
"He doesn’t play defense. He attacks the offense.”
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2019, 12:59:54 PM
Tru likes him.
“I loved him. He’s aggressive on all downs.
"He doesn’t play defense. He attacks the offense.”
Johnson is at his best playing physical at the LOS, but he spent all this season giving his receiver three yards of space. Assuming it was the coaches who told him to play off the line, I imagine he'll be pleased to be playing a more physical game with fewer foot races.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 11, 2019, 01:00:09 PM
He coached him in STL
I completely forgot about that. Hopefully Williams can bring out the best in Tru.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
I think so. We have the core pieces, they need help but add a pass rush, some extra protection and a weapon and we're absolutely in a position to be a better team than the Bills and Dolphins.
I wouldn't say "better than the Bills and Phins" is wild-card ready, but I agree on the missing pieces. The problem for me is filling those gaps--and yes, this is where I repeat that I don't currently trust Maccagnan to do the job.
We're close if Sam takes the next step.
Like JE said, if we fix up our pass rush and our offensive line, we'll be in trending in the right direction.
Reading up on Gase all afternoon, he was adamant about building his defense and Stephen Ross meddled around and disagreed with his direction. Sounds like he had a plan in place for a quick fix in Miami, but Ross was content with tearing it down.
I really want to believe this team is close, and for all anyone might want to give me a hard time about my Maccagnan stance, I want him to be the guy. I really want to look back in 2 years and be able to say "Todd Bowles was the absolute worst thing to have ever happened to this organization since Rich Kotite, thank the football gods Chris Johnson stuck with Mike Maccagnan."
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 01:01:20 PM
And a certain member goes a record 72 hours with no sleep, breaking his previous internet-cafe Doom tournament record of 61.5 hours.
Koz calls other people a hoo-ha but calls out people without using their names.
#truebravery
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
hahahahahahahaha
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2019, 01:02:18 PM
Koz calls other people a hoo-ha but calls out people without using their names.Still awake. Confirmed.
#truebravery
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 11, 2019, 01:03:17 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2019, 01:03:54 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 01:06:18 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2019, 01:07:23 PM
Kill the head and the body will die.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2019, 01:07:45 PM
If Williams comes here this is a game changer for me; hell, him and Gase will probably knock freak out of each other and kill Manish. I'm all in. Walt Michaels and Ewbank fought like cat & dog so maybe this is an omen.
Bahahah kill manish
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2019, 01:09:37 PM
Awesome. My very least favourite coaching staff - Gase as HC with Williams as DC. This is going to test even my powers of optimism.
I'll take it over Bowles.
Post by: Jumbo on January 11, 2019, 01:11:50 PM
Awesome. My very least favourite coaching staff - Gase as HC with Williams as DC. This is going to test even my powers of optimism.
Just wait until we hire Todd Haley as OC
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2019, 01:11:54 PM
Having a guy that you know can handle his business on his side of the ball is huge for someone like Adam Gase that supposedly had too much on his plate in Miami.
Gase will give Williams the keys to the defense.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2019, 01:13:49 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 01:16:27 PM
Then I sit here and think about it, and Belichick has over half a dozen rings.
We need assholes. Let's freaking GO!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2019, 01:16:52 PM
Daddy MB is excite
Ok Fire Williams
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 11, 2019, 01:17:23 PM
Gregg Williams had more success as an interim head coach in Cleveland than anybody's had there in a while.
Having a guy that you know can handle his business on his side of the ball is huge for someone like Adam Gase that supposedly had too much on his plate in Miami.
Gase will give Williams the keys to the defense.
Boner!
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2019, 01:17:49 PM
Ok Fire Williams
not yet.
But soon *rubs hands together*
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2019, 01:18:49 PM
I’ve read that Gase’s OC’s main responsibility is putting together the weekly gameplan. I still think they should hire someone with a little bit more to offer Sam. Dalton Goggins resume screams that he shouldn’t have a job
I don't like the midget but at least the bulk of his career was spent on QB coaching
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2019, 01:19:12 PM
Ok Fire Williams
lmao
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 11, 2019, 01:19:32 PM
I want to hate these moves. I really want to. Gase and Williams are probably complete assholes, and I don't want to root for assholes.
Then I sit here and think about it, and Belichick has over half a dozen rings.
We need assholes. Let's freaking GO!
Happy Friday!
Brady will retire before he faces Gregg Williams D you just know it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 01:21:03 PM
Happy Friday!
Brady will retire before he faces Gregg Williams D you just know it.
I have zero problems with this.
Whatever it takes to dethrone the cunts.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2019, 01:23:16 PM
I don't like the midget but at least the bulk of his career was spent on QB coaching
Did he do a good job in any of those positions? He was 1 year and done the 3 separate times he was an OC. What young QBs has he helped developed?
I get why he’s the potential hire, it’s just completely uninspiring. If we bring in a QB coach with promise, I’ll care less, but it could be a similar deal since it seems like Gase is the only one that coaches the QBs.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 01:30:33 PM
Did he do a good job in any of those positions? He was 1 year and done the 3 separate times he was an OC. What young QBs has he helped developed?
I get why he’s the potential hire, it’s just completely uninspiring. If we bring in a QB coach with promise, I’ll care less, but it could be a similar deal since it seems like Gase is the only one that coaches the QBs.
Jeremy Bates.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2019, 01:31:47 PM
Just wait until we hire Todd Haley as OC
Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2019, 01:33:22 PM
Jeremy Bates.
It’s not the best idea I’ve ever heard, but it’s not the worst either. I’ve actually thought about it the past few days. He did a great job 2 years ago, and an okish job last year (as the QB coach, not as the OC)
Post by: insanity on January 11, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
Jeremy Bates.Whats wrong with Jeremy Bates as a QB coach? Just because you aren't a good coordinator doesn't mean you can't be a great position coach... Everyone has different skills. Coordinator might not be his thing.
If the front office is fine with moving him back to QB coach I'd be okay with it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 02:14:32 PM
Whats wrong with Jeremy Bates as a QB coach? Just because you aren't a good coordinator doesn't mean you can't be a great position coach... Everyone has different skills. Coordinator might not be his thing.
If the front office is fine with moving him back to QB coach I'd be okay with it.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it.
Coordinator isn't his thing, and he told the Jets that. They chose to convince him to take the OC job anyway.
I'm not sure he'd want the job if it's true that Gase doesn't let anyone else work with the QB, but I'd be fine with it if the Jets retained him. I'd assume Sam would have some input there as well.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2019, 02:18:55 PM
Whats wrong with Jeremy Bates as a QB coach? Just because you aren't a good coordinator doesn't mean you can't be a great position coach... Everyone has different skills. Coordinator might not be his thing.
It's time to move in a different direction.
This is a fresh start for both sides of the ball.
Post by: insanity on January 11, 2019, 02:19:14 PM
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it.Curious who convinced him Duff or the Toilet
Coordinator isn't his thing, and he told the Jets that. They chose to convince him to take the OC job anyway.
I'm not sure he'd want the job if it's true that Gase doesn't let anyone else work with the QB, but I'd be fine with it if the Jets retained him. I'd assume Sam would have some input there as well.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 02:33:26 PM
Curious who convinced him Duff or the Toilet
A few weeks ago, as part of my "Fire Duff" campaign, I went looking for exactly that answer. I honestly feel like I remember reading that it was Maccagnan who went to Bates about taking the job. But I couldn't find any news that said that. Everything I found said Bowles was promoting him, and "the organization" convinced him to take it. That could mean anybody.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 02:34:17 PM
It's time to move in a different direction.
This is a fresh start for both sides of the ball.
Do you think this is a housecleaning? What about Boyer, do you think he remains?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2019, 02:34:54 PM
Whats wrong with Jeremy Bates as a QB coach? Just because you aren't a good coordinator doesn't mean you can't be a great position coach... Everyone has different skills. Coordinator might not be his thing.
If the front office is fine with moving him back to QB coach I'd be okay with it.
Bo Hardegree was the QB coach in Miami last year. Whatever a Bo Hardegree is will probably be the most likely candidate.
Post by: Jumbo on January 11, 2019, 02:35:35 PM
Do you think this is a housecleaning? What about Boyer, do you think he remains?
Unless Gase is incredibly loyal to staff - which is possible if he really wants Loggains badly - doesn't seem like there's much reason to get rid of Boyer at this point
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2019, 02:37:07 PM
Unless Gase is incredibly loyal to staff - which is possible if he really wants Loggains badly - doesn't seem like there's much reason to get rid of Boyer at this point
The ST coach in Miami is interviewing for the HC position there and has a good shot at it.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2019, 02:39:46 PM
Unless Boyer wants to follow Bowles to Tampa, which would suck.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 02:45:31 PM
Unless Gase is incredibly loyal to staff - which is possible if he really wants Loggains badly - doesn't seem like there's much reason to get rid of Boyer at this point
I read a theory on Twitter, may have been Bob Wischeusen, that whoever the OC is will be nothing but a placeholder. It will be entirely Gase's show, and it provides security because if the OC leaves, the offense doesn't change at all.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2019, 02:52:14 PM
I read a theory on Twitter, may have been Bob Wischeusen, that whoever the OC is will be nothing but a placeholder. It will be entirely Gase's show, and it provides security because if the OC leaves, the offense doesn't change at all.
That isn't a theory. It's a fact. That's why I don't give a excrement about Dowell Loggains coming here.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2019, 02:53:34 PM
That isn't a theory. It's a fact. That's why I don't give a excrement about Dowell Loggains coming here.
Having Trowell Scoggins in the building still isn't good for business. He's dat dude that finishes the box of donuts before the meeting starts.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 02:54:33 PM
That isn't a theory. It's a fact. That's why I don't give a excrement about Dowell Loggains coming here.
Same
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 11, 2019, 02:55:10 PM
Having Trowell Scoggins in the building still isn't good for business. He's dat dude that finishes the box of donuts before the meeting starts.
That's even better. Players shouldn't be eating donuts. No fatasses.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2019, 02:56:01 PM
That's even better. Players shouldn't be eating donuts. No fatasses.
Darron Lee needs a little #sloppyfatz in his life.
Post by: insanity on January 11, 2019, 02:56:38 PM
Bo Hardegree was the QB coach in Miami last year. Whatever a Bo Hardegree is will probably be the most likely candidate.
Oh a Bo Hardegree? I was thinking about getting one of those online at the University of Phoenix
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2019, 03:05:03 PM
That isn't a theory. It's a fact. That's why I don't give a excrement about Dowell Loggains coming here.
Dowell Loggains will carry this team to the playoff next season
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2019, 03:06:08 PM
Having Trowell Scoggins in the building still isn't good for business. He's dat dude that finishes the box of donuts before the meeting starts.
Latrell Nogains IS the business.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2019, 03:18:50 PM
#FireGase
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2019, 03:20:16 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2019, 08:17:58 AM
I want to hate these moves. I really want to. Gase and Williams are probably complete assholes, and I don't want to root for assholes.
Then I sit here and think about it, and Belichick has over half a dozen rings.
We need assholes. Let's freaking GO!
You're a member of this place and you are actually calling for more assholes? Jetoffensive is poopchute central you dumb bastard.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2019, 08:40:10 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 12, 2019, 10:13:46 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2019, 01:35:27 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2019, 01:36:22 PM
If there was ever a Jets coaching staff representative of this board...
Agreed, Dowell Loggains is a dead ringer for MB
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2019, 01:43:31 PM
Agreed, Dowell Loggains is a dead ringer for MB
Loggains is fruitier, and that's hard to do.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2019, 05:26:00 PM
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Source tells me that Kris Kocurek (DL) and Frank Bush (LB) are expected to follow Adam Gase from @MiamiDolphins to the @nyjets coaching staff.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2019, 05:31:58 PM
Doesn't seem to particularly jibe with the "Adam Gase leaves the defense to his DC" narrative. If he's bringing in an experienced DC to run that side of the team I would have expected him to let the DC pick the coaching staff.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2019, 05:44:59 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2019, 05:46:34 PM
How do you even know if their backgrounds are an optimal fit for the type of defense you want to run
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2019, 05:48:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2019, 05:53:49 PM
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A former defensive tackle with the Seattle Seahawks and Tennessee Titans, Kocurek spent one year working with Gase in Miami. Prior to that, he spent nine years in Detroit as the Lions’ defensive line coach. There, he helped turn players such as Ndomakung Suh and Nick Fairley into All-Pro selections.
Post by: GuntPunt on January 12, 2019, 05:57:31 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2019, 06:10:12 PM
Post by: Jumbo on January 12, 2019, 06:15:25 PM
“@DieugotJoseph:Pumped to Have Coach Gase! With a fresh start & new mindset he will lead us to victory. Its a superb time to be apart of the Jets Family”
Way more on board now that Dieugot Joseph also is
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2019, 06:18:08 PM
Post by: reuben on January 12, 2019, 06:47:41 PM
Who is Peugeot Joseph?
It's like a French Honda Civic.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2019, 07:54:04 PM
Pretty sure that Suh and Fairley would probably have become All Pros if they'd had me coaching them. It's not exactly a huge statement to his competence that he didn't freak up two of the most highly touted college DL prospects of the last 20 years.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2019, 08:05:38 PM
Pretty sure that Suh and Fairley would probably have become All Pros if they'd had me coaching them. It's not exactly a huge statement to his competence that he didn't freak up two of the most highly touted college DL prospects of the last 20 years.
Any coincidence they’ve both experienced significant decline since leaving Detroit? I think not.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2019, 08:35:36 PM
Any coincidence they’ve both experienced significant decline since leaving Detroit? I think not.
Suspect it's more to do with the fact that they were both massive cunts when they left college and money only exacerbated it. I'm not saying this guy's a bad coach, just that Suh and Fairley aren't evidence that he isn't.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2019, 08:38:32 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2019, 08:48:22 PM
Pretty sure that Suh and Fairley would probably have become All Pros if they'd had me coaching them. It's not exactly a huge statement to his competence that he didn't freak up two of the most highly touted college DL prospects of the last 20 years.
Also coached Cliff Avril and Ezekiel Ansah. 4 DL better than anything we’ve had in the same time span.
Am I saying these guys owe their careers to Kocurek? Of course not. But please don’t come at me with that argument that Todd Bowles poor coaching impeded our players development and led to draft picks busting but when other coaches do a decent job it’s due to the player’s talent.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2019, 08:50:55 PM
Also coached Cliff Avril and Ezekiel Ansah. 4 DL better than anything we’ve had in the same time span.
Am I saying these guys owe their careers to Kocurek? Of course not. But please don’t come at me with that argument that Todd Bowles poor coaching impeded our players development and led to draft picks busting but when other coaches do a decent job it’s due to the player’s talent.
Why didn't you quote my last post?
Suspect it's more to do with the fact that they were both massive cunts when they left college and money only exacerbated it. I'm not saying this guy's a bad coach, just that Suh and Fairley aren't evidence that he isn't.
Also Fairley was freaking awesome in his last season before he nearly had a heart attack, and Suh is still pretty good.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2019, 09:50:38 PM
Why didn't you quote my last post?
I’m at the pub.
“freak this hire”
-GuntPunt
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 12, 2019, 10:38:30 PM
Doesn't seem to particularly jibe with the "Adam Gase leaves the defense to his DC" narrative. If he's bringing in an experienced DC to run that side of the team I would have expected him to let the DC pick the coaching staff.
HCs typically have a say in all of their assistants. I would rather have Gase taking some form of responsibility for his defense than pull a Rex and be completely clueless about the area that isn't his expertise.
Although this could be why Williams hasn't signed yet.
Post by: Gorilla on January 13, 2019, 08:07:15 AM
Gase without a hat looks like a serial killer. Serious case of crazy eyes.
John Wayne Gase-y
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2019, 10:27:52 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2019, 10:30:19 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2019, 10:34:39 AM
Says Gase was really high on Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen. Doesn’t know what his predraft opinion of Darnold was (presumably because he was rumored #1 pick)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2019, 10:36:05 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 13, 2019, 10:44:14 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 13, 2019, 10:50:34 AM
Let's just hope he can evaluate talent in similar ways.
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His first few moves will be very interesting. He'll undoubtedly get rid of some players here.
Post by: reuben on January 13, 2019, 03:00:49 PM
Gase is starting to sound a lot like an offensive version of Eric Mangini.
Let's just hope he can evaluate talent in similar ways.
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His first few moves will be very interesting. He'll undoubtedly get rid of some players here.
Darnold, Herndon*, Enunwa, Shell, and Adams are untouchable in my book. If he can't work well with them then he shouldn't be here. Everyone else is fair game.
*Herndon needs to keep his nose clean. Still plenty of time for him to be a bust if the DUI wasn't an isolated incident.
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2019, 03:09:42 PM
Darnold, Herndon*, Enunwa, Shell, and Adams are untouchable in my book. If he can't work well with them then he shouldn't be here. Everyone else is fair game.
*Herndon needs to keep his nose clean. Still plenty of time for him to be a bust if the DUI wasn't an isolated incident.
Shell is untouchable? He's not even our best lineman.
Post by: reuben on January 13, 2019, 03:14:17 PM
Shell is untouchable? He's not even our best lineman.
Counterpoint: yes, he is.
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2019, 03:34:32 PM
Counterpoint: yes, he is.
I'm not down on Shell, but Winters is a solid guard who has played very well previously and been hurt by having garbage either side of him. There's a reason we gave him a hefty extension.
Shell might well become a very good player, but I don't think he's untouchable. I think he'll definitely be here next season on the basis of the fact that he's cheap and improving and unlikely to attract interest from other teams.
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 13, 2019, 06:03:55 PM
but Shell is a pretty solid RT and Gase doesn't give two shits about offensive guards so Shell may very well be their best lineman
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 13, 2019, 06:06:13 PM
I've seen a lot about how gase doesn't give a excrement about guards and the running game in general, but he likes two back sets that he mostly wants to use in pass protection and as underneath receivers
enunwa and herndon are probably better blockers and YAC threats than any back currently on the roster
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 13, 2019, 06:46:19 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 08:43:16 AM
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 14, 2019, 08:47:51 AM
Gase intro press conference today at 2pm EST
He better have Gregg with him or he can freak off.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 08:55:53 AM
He better have Gregg with him or he can freak off.They’re letting in fans to the press conference...should be interesting
Post by: Laxin on January 14, 2019, 09:07:48 AM
Gase intro press conference today at 2pm EST
Someone should ask him about Tannehill’s injury
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 09:20:21 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 14, 2019, 09:47:20 AM
i do think there are positives to the hire, and they've all been mentioned already. young, offensive minded, apparently very bright, and there are a few high profile names that will seemingly vouch for him until the very end. there were a lot of red flags with his tenure in miami. amongst others, the way he spoke to the miami media (for which he'd get murdered in NY if he did the same), and the apparent loss of the locker room with some players being very vocal about their distaste towards him.
it was his first head coaching gig. yeah, those are red flags, but we still don't know the full story. it sounds like his job was made a lot tougher by a meddlesome owner who made conditions less than ideal for anybody that would have been HC. maybe gase made some mistakes with the way he interacted with some players early on, and for whatever reasons, or possibly because of the conditions of the job/environment, by the time it all got bad things were too irreparable to repair even if he wanted to. however, i think the intent of wanting to repair things despite that all would have been a good sign. we just don't know
but again, it was his first ride as a HC. do i think a guy supposedly as bright as him has the ability to learn from past mistakes? yes. maybe everything that went wrong in miami illuminated exactly what he needs to work on and change, and maybe he does that all here. it wouldn't be the first case of a new coach having a rough go in one spot, then going to another team and turning things around, both for him and the team.
if anything, i am excited simply for the change from bowles. he wasn't our first choice, and for many of us was our last choice, but we found our QB of the future and he looks really good, we have a good young offensive mind to pair with him, and bowles isn't here anymore. those are all good in my opinion. i think the future of this team will be affected a lot more by the personnel decisions we make this offseason, where duff has a lot of work to do equipped with a very high draft pick and loads of cap room (and several desirable FA targets), with many holes to fill on both sides of the ball. if mccagnan does a bad job this offseason, it doesn't matter who our HC would be, we'd likely do bad. if duff does well, gase will likely do well. if he revamps the talent on this team entirely and gase shits the bed despite that, then there is good reason to let gase go.
duff hitting a homerun with the roster transactions this offseason is paramount.
Post by: Gorilla on January 14, 2019, 10:08:14 AM
I may have said it in an earlier post, but Gase having so much personnel control and responsibility in Miami, as a 37-yr-old first-time HC, contributed to his hardships there. Too much on his plate there, and won't be an issue here. As you said, we have to hope he's matured and learned from past mistakes.
Post by: steves850 on January 14, 2019, 10:49:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/HvJrgsH.jpg)
He wasn't my first choice either but he's here - might as well hope for the best.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 11:05:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 11:10:37 AM
I mean, it’s apparent that he had issues with a decent amount of players, but it seems like it was the lazy players, the players who were late, the players that didn’t study or care about the team. We need to get rid of those guys within this organization anyways
bye bye Trumaine Johnson
Post by: Gorilla on January 14, 2019, 01:00:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHWPN5NkMpc
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 01:02:02 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2019, 01:05:23 PM
"BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2019, 01:06:32 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2019, 01:06:59 PM
...plus I understand why he always wears a hat.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:07:08 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2019, 01:09:42 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2019, 01:11:32 PM
watching the conference now...Gase REALLY has crazy eyes.
Borderline serial killer type eyes
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:12:26 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:13:09 PM
Post by: Gorilla on January 14, 2019, 01:14:00 PM
watching the conference now...Gase REALLY has crazy eyes.
He looks like Pennington and Prince William had an insane son together through black magic.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:15:46 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2019, 01:16:19 PM
I'm starting to hate this hire again.
You mean there was a time where you stopped hating it?
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:17:06 PM
You mean there was a time where you stopped hating it?
yes, i was happy we were going in a direction where offense is the focal point.
But listening to Gase...he looks and sounds like a lunatic.
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 14, 2019, 01:18:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:18:48 PM
Gase - "We have to put the right coaching staff together"
oh ok
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:22:03 PM
I'll take the wait and see approach obviously, but that was terrible. For a supposed intelligent guy, he didn't come across that way answering questions.
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 14, 2019, 01:23:10 PM
Mind you Mrs Gase is worth a rumble.
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 14, 2019, 01:23:55 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 01:24:05 PM
watching the conference now...Gase REALLY has crazy eyes.
https://twitter.com/willbrinson/status/1084890642386505729
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2019, 01:27:18 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:28:21 PM
FFS
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:33:29 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 01:35:06 PM
Post by: Gorilla on January 14, 2019, 01:36:29 PM
If you want to be negative, you'll find something negative....if you want to be a sunshiner, you'll find something amazing and positive. It's a generic press conference and a nice way to kill a half hour or so for a Jets fan. Yes, his eyes are clearly bodies-in-shallow-graves-in-the-backyard level (and it's good for my campaign of his super-clever "John Wayne Gase-y" nickname)....but dammit he's OUR psycho killer now!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 01:37:52 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190114/177d9b84b8e3abcf2bb370d76ad4c366.jpg)“When u don’t nut and she stop suckin”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 01:38:46 PM
Best one
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:40:30 PM
Yeah, I'm not going to get worked up over a goofy-derriere press conference full of cliche platitudes and indistinguishable from 99.9% of every press conference ever. Something so surface-level is definitely not going to affect my opinion of the hire.
If you want to be negative, you'll find something negative....if you want to be a sunshiner, you'll find something amazing and positive. It's a generic press conference and a nice way to kill a half hour or so for a Jets fan. Yes, his eyes are clearly bodies-in-shallow-graves-in-the-backyard level (and it's good for my campaign of his super-clever "John Wayne Gase-y" nickname)....but dammit he's OUR psycho killer now!
I'm not worked up, and i get it that press conferences are 95% useless....he just didn't come across very well. He could be an offensive genius for all i know. For me, it wasn't a good first impression.
I hope he gets it done where it matters most, in the win column.
Post by: Gorilla on January 14, 2019, 01:41:09 PM
https://twitter.com/pftcommenter/status/1084897116034600960?s=12
Best one
hahaha
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 01:43:47 PM
Jowell Boggains sure as hell can't be relied upon.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 14, 2019, 02:03:25 PM
I'm not worked up, and i get it that press conferences are 95% useless....he just didn't come across very well. He could be an offensive genius for all i know. For me, it wasn't a good first impression.Well his record with the media and PCs in general isn't that good, so I'm not that surprised nor do I really care about that. Rex had a great introductioary PC and we know well your opinion about him.
I hope he gets it done where it matters most, in the win column.
Like others already said, it was a fluff PC like these things usually are.
Also, I dunno what Johnson pounding his fist on the table with "Playoffs or bust" mandate helps anything. I'm pretty sure if things still continue to devolve further some actions will be undertaken. Chris really seems to want to succeed and build a winner, unlike Woody.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 02:09:01 PM
Well his record with the media and PCs in general isn't that good, so I'm not that surprised nor do I really care about that. Rex had a great introductioary PC and we know well your opinion about him.
Like others already said, it was a fluff PC like these things usually are.
Also, I dunno what Johnson pounding his fist on the table with "Playoffs or bust" mandate helps anything. I'm pretty sure if things still continue to devolve further some actions will be undertaken. Chris really seems to want to succeed and build a winner, unlike Woody.
all i know is this wasn't a slam-dunk hire, imo. The skepticism is very high.
CJ really needed to get this hire right because nobody wants to waste time spinning our wheels with a franchise QB on the roster. I'm hoping for the best, and we'll see what happens...but let's not start any parades yet.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 14, 2019, 02:12:27 PM
all i know is this wasn't a slam-dunk hire, imo. The skepticism is very high.Totally agree on all accounts.
CJ really needed to get this hire right because nobody wants to waste time spinning our wheels with a franchise QB on the roster. I'm hoping for the best, and we'll see what happens...but let's not start any parades yet.
I didn't like the Gase hire either, but this PC didn't tip the scales in any direction on that front. At this time its more of a wait-and-see approach. Hopefully it works out.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 02:15:31 PM
Totally agree on all accounts.
I didn't like the Gase hire either, but this PC didn't tip the scales in any direction on that front. At this time its more of a wait-and-see approach. Hopefully it works out.
Absolutely.
I was focusing in more on his mannerisms and how he was answering questions. He just looked uncomfortable, and well, crazy.
All we can hope for is that it translates into wins and perhaps a playoff run.
Post by: Gorilla on January 14, 2019, 02:17:30 PM
Well his record with the media and PCs in general isn't that good, so I'm not that surprised nor do I really care about that. Rex had a great introductioary PC and we know well your opinion about him.
Like others already said, it was a fluff PC like these things usually are.
Gase's rep is for being a football super-nerd, and what I saw was what I expected: Rain Man but for quarterbacks and football.
Not exactly George Clooney charisma and charm haha. Winning will certainly help to overcome his social handicaps.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 14, 2019, 02:22:34 PM
If he actually learns from his mistakes this could become a sensible hire. I'm highly skeptical, though.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 02:29:37 PM
Gase's rep is for being a football super-nerd, and what I saw was what I expected: Rain Man but for quarterbacks and football.
Not exactly George Clooney charisma and charm haha. Winning will certainly help to overcome his social handicaps.
Rain Man for quarterbacks and football should be etched on Gase's headstone.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
Wtflol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 03:19:03 PM
This account has 175 followers already
Post by: Gorilla on January 14, 2019, 03:20:16 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1084903276280270848
Wtflol
Lol. I was dying watching the press conference because of this....his expressions in between questions were bananas.
Again, this is someone who's brain is just operating on a different frequency, outward appearances be damned. He's not aware he looks like someone who just took a monster hit of DMT.
Post by: Jumbo on January 14, 2019, 03:24:50 PM
But the press conferences are gonna be hilarious if he keeps up the crazy eyes
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 14, 2019, 04:36:22 PM
Maybe it helps that I listened to that on radio instead.
Post by: Laxin on January 14, 2019, 05:05:46 PM
He seemed a lot better in this interview on The Michael Kay Show-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-1iPTSc4s0
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 05:28:51 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2019, 05:29:44 PM
Christopher Johnson says he understands backlash from fans, adding that he still hasn't earned trust of fan base. CJ: "I think they will see, if not right now, they'll see pretty soon this is a great hire. I'm not trying to win Twitter. I'm trying to win football games." #Jets
This is CJ telling us to GFY
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2019, 05:34:21 PM
This is CJ telling us to GFY
As he should
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 05:49:03 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190114/177d9b84b8e3abcf2bb370d76ad4c366.jpg)
“Adam Gase is a quarterback whisperer”
Adam Gase: *whispering into Sam Darnold’s ear* I’m going to murder your entire family
Post by: Jumbo on January 14, 2019, 06:20:16 PM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1084923386332106752?s=21
Christopher Johnson says he understands backlash from fans, adding that he still hasn't earned trust of fan base. CJ: "I think they will see, if not right now, they'll see pretty soon this is a great hire. I'm not trying to win Twitter. I'm trying to win football games." #Jets
This is CJ telling us to GFY
GFY bitches leave
Post by: Libero_2 on January 14, 2019, 06:30:05 PM
As he should
Agreed. If he didn’t believe in the hire, he’d be nuts to put Gase out there as the guy.
If he wasn’t sure anybody was the right guy, McCarthy would have been the hire in my opinion
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2019, 07:53:59 PM
Lol
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 07:54:24 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 14, 2019, 07:57:11 PM
https://twitter.com/backaftathis/status/1084988670141186049
Lol
"Those three guys couldn't recruit you out of a burning building."
Post by: insanity on January 14, 2019, 07:59:50 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 14, 2019, 08:14:23 PM
socially there is something missing from gase lol, something is not completely right in your head if you've gone your whole life talking to people without knowing that you make those sorts of facial expressions or do those things with your eyes.
makes me believe a little bit more that the problems he's had with players were a little more on him than anything else. i really do believe he has no foul intent towards his players, but he probably says or does things in ways that would come off very offensively/rudely without him even realizing that he's doing that.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2019, 08:49:01 PM
all you see/hear during an introductory press conference is fluff, but there was one thing i took away from today's conference.
socially there is something missing from gase lol, something is not completely right in your head if you've gone your whole life talking to people without knowing that you make those sorts of facial expressions or do those things with your eyes.
makes me believe a little bit more that the problems he's had with players were a little more on him than anything else. i really do believe he has no foul intent towards his players, but he probably says or does things in ways that would come off very offensively/rudely without him even realizing that he's doing that.
It's pretty obvious there's some social anxiety going on with Adam Gase.
He was cool and even likable during the Michael Kay interview. According to a friend that's a Miami fan, Gase has said in the past that he doesn't like things being about him and that it makes him uncomfortable.
Post by: IATA on January 14, 2019, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: Pope on January 14, 2019, 09:17:26 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2019, 09:47:40 PM
It's pretty obvious there's some social anxiety going on with Adam Gase.
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Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2019, 10:25:08 PM
Post by: insanity on January 14, 2019, 10:26:49 PM
socially there is something missing from gase lol, something is not completely right in your head if you've gone your whole life talking to people without knowing that you make those sorts of facial expressions or do those things with your eyes.It's probably why he always wears a hat with the brim really low.
I get that he looked really weird in the presser, but this backlash is getting ridiculous and it's kind of upsetting. Let the man coach.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 14, 2019, 11:50:00 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 15, 2019, 12:16:21 AM
hopefully he has someone around with the social skills to explain that to him
Post by: reuben on January 15, 2019, 12:30:26 AM
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Post by: dcm1602 on January 15, 2019, 02:19:48 AM
Post by: guinness77 on January 15, 2019, 02:48:01 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2019, 06:05:46 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2019, 07:22:19 AM
-Boomer Esiason
Post by: Koz on January 15, 2019, 10:08:06 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2019, 11:05:17 AM
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"I took WHAT job?"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2019, 12:12:09 PM
Post by: IATA on January 15, 2019, 12:39:13 PM
even if gase sucks, francesca will make it a worthwhile hire
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2019, 01:22:20 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2019, 01:25:22 PM
Relatively normal dude here with the hat. Can’t even tell he’s probably thinking about how badly he hates this other guy and this stupid interview and how it would be over so much more quickly if he just ripped his throat out
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2019, 01:36:30 PM
One thing I can definitely relate to Gase on is wearing a hat in all allowable situations so you can shield your murder stare from the unsuspecting public
LOL
I think the secret's out on the murder stare. If he was our DC I'd be psyched.
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 15, 2019, 02:11:07 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2019, 03:03:57 PM
Gase on Francesa at 4pm today. Say what you will about Mike but he has no filter on what questions he will ask and his interviews are always entertaining.
Told my boss I had to take a excrement and ran out to my car to listen to this
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2019, 03:05:15 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2019, 03:06:14 PM
- Gase confirming he will be calling the plays
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2019, 03:07:20 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2019, 03:08:13 PM
Gase says he is all about guys that buy in, make practices competitive, have swagger, “defend every blade of grass on the field”
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2019, 05:32:19 PM
“Adam Gase is a quarterback whisperer”lol
Adam Gase: *whispering into Sam Darnold’s ear* I’m going to murder your entire family
Post by: insanity on January 15, 2019, 06:42:58 PM
Just my personal opinion: Gase is going to love Jamal.Did fatcessa say anything about his eyes
Gase says he is all about guys that buy in, make practices competitive, have swagger, “defend every blade of grass on the field”
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2019, 08:47:48 PM
Jonah Williams will not be the best player available at #3.
Watch out for the rise of DK Metcalf.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2019, 08:54:24 PM
Adam Gase follows the Best Player Available philosophy when it comes to the draft.
Jonah Williams will not be the best player available at #3.
Watch out for the rise of DK Metcalf.
You think Metcalf climbs into the top 3?
I'm still hoping for a trade back.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2019, 09:00:52 PM
You think Metcalf climbs into the top 3?
If it's true that he runs in the 4.4s and has a 40+ inch vertical, he could go #1 overall.
Metcalf is that good IF the medical checks go well for him. He checks all the boxes aside from the neck injury. The same thing happened to Mike Williams at Clemson and look what he's doing for the Chargers now.
6'4 225 -- DK is a matchup nightmare all over the field. He can take the top off and he can kill you in the redzone. He didn't do much at all over the middle, but that's not his game.
The Josh Gordon comparison is legitimate.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2019, 09:16:12 PM
If it's true that he runs in the 4.4s and has a 40+ inch vertical, he could go #1 overall.
Metcalf is that good IF the medical checks go well for him. He checks all the boxes aside from the neck injury. The same thing happened to Mike Williams at Clemson and look what he's doing for the Chargers now.
6'4 225 -- DK is a matchup nightmare all over the field. He can take the top off and he can kill you in the redzone. He didn't do much at all over the middle, but that's not his game.
The Josh Gordon comparison is legitimate.
this post made me hard
Post by: Johnny English on January 15, 2019, 10:17:06 PM
this post made me hard
6'4" 225lb black men give you an erection? Good for you. It must be tough to admit such things living in Winnipeg.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 16, 2019, 02:31:55 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 16, 2019, 08:50:57 AM
6'4" 225lb black men give you an erection? Good for you. It must be tough to admit such things living in Winnipeg.
If he has 1400 yards and 15 TDs with Sam throwing to him, yes I'll have an erection.
Post by: klaximilian on January 16, 2019, 03:39:58 PM
If he has 1400 yards and 15 TDs with Sam throwing to him, yes I'll have an erection.
Seriously. Who doesn't jerk off to NYJ highlights?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 16, 2019, 06:05:04 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 16, 2019, 06:09:12 PM
As goofy as he seems, he's smart as hell and it's a lot more interesting to listen to than most coaches (especially Todd Bowles).
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 17, 2019, 08:13:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKBrGGhShDU
As goofy as he seems, he's smart as hell and it's a lot more interesting to listen to than most coaches (especially Todd Bowles).
That's the first I've got to hear him talk, thanks.
Most of the reason I hated him was he was the Dolphins coach. Sounds like he's ready to go, I like his energy.
Post by: insanity on January 17, 2019, 11:41:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKBrGGhShDUAfter hearing this you have to wonder, what the hell happened during the press conference.
As goofy as he seems, he's smart as hell and it's a lot more interesting to listen to than most coaches (especially Todd Bowles).
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 17, 2019, 12:43:32 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 17, 2019, 12:44:46 PM
Post by: Gorilla on January 17, 2019, 04:13:16 PM
Gase on Dan Le Batard today. Very good, like the Michael Kay and Mike Florio interviews.
He acknowledges that he's not concerned with the intro press conference at all. "Did it help us win any games?" haha.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 17, 2019, 04:23:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8blBaDAVhnY&t=41m27s
He acknowledges that he's not concerned with the intro press conference at all. "Did it help us win any games?" haha.
this is a good response
Post by: Heismanberg on January 17, 2019, 05:46:45 PM
Can't wait to see him tee off on Manish Mehta and Rich Cimini.
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 17, 2019, 06:00:12 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 17, 2019, 06:24:19 PM
Even his pictures with the Dolphins have some crazy eyes.
He will always come off better on radio or when his eyes are slightly covered.
In some ways, it is endearing because people laugh at Gase. They laugh at the Jets, too. Just fuels the fire to want to win more, and it makes him one of ours.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 17, 2019, 07:43:14 PM
That interview was great
Can't wait to see him tee off on Manish Mehta and Rich Cimini.
You know at least in Manish's case he's going to initially suck Gase's poopchute both for access and in the hopes that he be proven correct.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2019, 11:06:01 AM
Adam Gase: “I don’t know. When I wake up, I feel like excrement. And he’s older than me.”
Post by: Heismanberg on March 26, 2019, 11:08:00 AM
How much longer will Tom Brady play?
Adam Gase: “I don’t know. When I wake up, I feel like excrement. And he’s older than me.”
Lmao
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 26, 2019, 11:16:41 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 26, 2019, 01:31:27 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2019, 02:40:12 PM
Gase speareheaded an effort in 2018 to try and land Matthew Stafford (JE's favorite player).
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 26, 2019, 02:43:11 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dolphins-reportedly-tried-to-trade-for-lions-quarterback-matthew-stafford-before-2018-season/
Gase speareheaded an effort in 2018 to try and land Matthew Stafford (JE's favorite player).
Luckily he's not our GM.
#FireMBGreen
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2019, 02:44:43 PM
Luckily he's not our GM.
#FireMBGreen
You couldn't afford me anyway, peasant.
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 26, 2019, 02:45:42 PM
You couldn't afford me anyway, peasant.
We don't hire Canadians.
#MAGA
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2019, 08:44:42 PM
Love what he’s saying in this clip, but also:
One thing I can definitely relate to Gase on is wearing a hat in all allowable situations so you can shield your murder stare from the unsuspecting public
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2019, 09:19:40 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/nyjets/status/1110651575712780288
Love what he’s saying in this clip, but also:
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Post by: guinness77 on March 26, 2019, 09:51:38 PM
He should try banging a supermodel, gets rid of the blahs.If there’s one thing I’m certain of in life, it’s that Brady is not freaking his “wife.”
Post by: Coach K on March 26, 2019, 10:45:04 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1084979227127033856
Relatively normal dude here with the hat. Can’t even tell he’s probably thinking about how badly he hates this other guy and this stupid interview and how it would be over so much more quickly if he just ripped his throat out
Whats Adam Gase's favorite formation??????
OFFSET I!
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2019, 01:59:29 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 29, 2019, 02:23:09 PM
Whats Adam Gase's favorite formation??????
OFFSET I!
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LOL that's awesome.
I hope he's not hot garbage, I'm not getting any younger.
Post by: reuben on March 31, 2019, 04:32:46 PM
Offszn workouts start 4/8
They start a week earlier for any team that hired a new head coach.
JETS ON THE JOB TOMORROW BABY
Post by: Heismanberg on April 01, 2019, 12:06:28 AM
They start a week earlier for any team that hired a new head coach.
JETS ON THE JOB TOMORROW BABY
I think Gase pushed everything until the 8th because he doesn't want any gaps in the schedule.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 04, 2019, 01:06:52 PM
Required reading for those who wanted McCarthy.
Post by: reuben on April 04, 2019, 03:05:54 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay
Required reading for those who wanted McCarthy.
It's a great read. It's also been a great off-season for haters of the haughty, "classy" franchises. The Giants are a dumpster fire. Robert Kraft is sex criminal. The Steelers locker room is toxic.
Good times.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 04, 2019, 05:23:45 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 04, 2019, 05:24:07 PM
I didn't want McCarthy anywhere near this team but Rodgers comes off as bad, if not worse than McCarthy in this.
Agreed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 04, 2019, 05:39:49 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 04, 2019, 10:42:59 PM
the Gase hire looks better and better as we approach the season. his hour long interview at the owners meetings was a solid watch and his pro football focus interview was funny. hes good as long as he has on a hat lol
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2019, 12:36:04 AM
the Gase hire looks better and better as we approach the season.
Reminder that his previous head coaching career features exactly zero success. Regardless of what has gone on elsewhere, his hire looks every bit as bad as it did when it first happened and probably worse now we've seen what a bunch of excrement he has surrounded himself with.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 05, 2019, 07:06:57 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 05, 2019, 08:28:58 AM
Reminder that his previous head coaching career features exactly zero success. Regardless of what has gone on elsewhere, his hire looks every bit as bad as it did when it first happened and probably worse now we've seen what a bunch of excrement he has surrounded himself with.
I’m not a fan of the Gase hire, I’m very much on the record here with that, but your post is a wee bit negative.
I think we upgraded at HC. Gase made the playoffs and managed a .500 record with Tannehill. I’m not going to call that a “success” but it wasn’t as bad as the picture you painted.
I also think we got massive upgrades at DC and OL coach. Will it all work out? Who knows. Everything hinges on Gase’s ability to develop Darnold.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 05, 2019, 11:28:18 AM
I still don't like the hire, but what choice do I have right now? I'm hoping that the supposed disagreement with the front office in Miami is what screwed him over and that he's actually well-qualified. He has to work out. If he doesn't we're losing all of Darnold's rookie deal on fruitless rebuilds.
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2019, 12:07:14 PM
I still don't like the hire, but what choice do I have right now?
We have to live with it, but we don't have to like it. I reserve the right to think that the new coaching staff is an awful pile of excrement that was and is my absolute nightmare scenario, until such time as they give me reason to think otherwise.
Post by: MBGreen on April 05, 2019, 12:47:50 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2019, 12:59:16 PM
I usually wait for the games to be played and see the outcome before calling the coaching staff a pile of excrement.
Right. The thing that you're known for is your patience with coaches. We've always said that. "That MB, he's always so patient, always willing to give coaches every chance to succeed before reluctantly moving on from them." That's you, that is. Mr Patient.
I've seen Gase and Williams' coaching. I have every expectation they will fail. I might very well be wrong, and will be very happy to be so, but I'm not going to be all shiny brightness and light about a set of coaches I've stated were the very last people I wanted to see hired - in fact, much like you.
Post by: MBGreen on April 05, 2019, 01:06:20 PM
Right. The thing that you're known for is your patience with coaches. We've always said that. "That MB, he's always so patient, always willing to give coaches every chance to succeed before reluctantly moving on from them." That's you, that is. Mr Patient.
I've seen Gase and Williams' coaching. I have every expectation they will fail. I might very well be wrong, and will be very happy to be so, but I'm not going to be all shiny brightness and light about a set of coaches I've stated were the very last people I wanted to see hired - in fact, much like you.
Dude...i never liked the Bowles hire, i've gone on record numerous times stating that. But at least i waited to see what happened before shitting on him.
Throwing Gase under the bus before he's coached a game here is freaking absurd, even for you.
The fact that you supported Bowles despite the losing (for years) nullifies your opinion on this anyway.
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2019, 01:07:36 PM
I just saw this on the NFL ticker. Gase should be fired into the sun.
He never should've been interviewed. I'm convinced we'll never have a smart FO.
I wouldn't even want Gase as an OC.
I have an idea...let’s hire a smarmy queynte that the players will hate.
100 million to spend and trying to convince FAs to play for this poopchute....Christopher Johnson can DIAF
Adam Gase as a HC is a disaster
And just as an added bonus:
This is really underwhelming and we probably should’ve expected it.
We can’t do anything right.
I'm not sunshining this bullshit. Until and unless Gase consistently outperforms his history so far, he's a excrement hire that we all rightly hated.
Post by: MBGreen on April 05, 2019, 01:08:54 PM
So maybe you should sit tight for a bit instead of crying about it this early in the game.
Post by: MBGreen on April 05, 2019, 01:10:22 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2019, 01:12:29 PM
Yeah...i already said he wasn't my first choice. But i'm giving him a chance because well, we have no other choice.
So maybe you should sit tight for a bit instead of crying about it this early in the game.
You were right first time. The fact that the FO screwed up by hiring him doesn't mean we all have to sit back and say "well, I guess we were all wrong after all". That comes if and when he proves it, but right now I'm a long way from there. It was a bad hire then and it's a bad hire now and just for a nice big bonus the coaches we subsequently added were also bad hires, and all of that remains the case until they show that they're not.
Lowell freaking Doggains. Christ. Don't go making me pissed off all over again, I'd managed to put this excrement to the back of my mind and was planning to keep it there until I have to face the miserable reality in August.
Post by: MBGreen on April 05, 2019, 01:14:56 PM
You were right first time. The fact that the FO screwed up by hiring him doesn't mean we all have to sit back and say "well, I guess we were all wrong after all". That comes if and when he proves it, but right now I'm a long way from there. It was a bad hire then and it's a bad hire now and just for a nice big bonus the coaches we subsequently added were also bad hires, and all of that remains the case until they show that they're not.
Lowell freaking Doggains. Christ. Don't go making me pissed off all over again, I'd managed to put this excrement to the back of my mind and was planning to keep it there until I have to face the miserable reality in August.
Doggains is a maytag repairman....he sucks. Gase is calling the plays and tasked with developing Darnold. That's all i give a excrement about. I'm hoping it translates into wins.
It's too early to be taking a excrement on this regime. Let them fail first, and then pass out the torches/pitchforks. Nobody needs to hear this crap in freaking April.
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2019, 01:27:07 PM
Doggains is a maytag repairman....he sucks. Gase is calling the plays and tasked with developing Darnold. That's all i give a excrement about. I'm hoping it translates into wins.
It's too early to be taking a excrement on this regime. Let them fail first, and then pass out the torches/pitchforks. Nobody needs to hear this crap in freaking April.
Absolutely nothing has changed between January and April. No coaching has been done and no games have been played, so my opinion remains unchanged also. Leaps of faith are for Sunday mornings in the house of your preferred sky fairy, come Sunday afternoon I'm looking for hard evidence.
Post by: MBGreen on April 05, 2019, 01:39:20 PM
Absolutely nothing has changed between January and April. No coaching has been done and no games have been played, so my opinion remains unchanged also. Leaps of faith are for Sunday mornings in the house of your preferred sky fairy, come Sunday afternoon I'm looking for hard evidence.And yet...you believed in Bowles right until this last season. Despite his trash coaching
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
And yet...you believed in Bowles right until this last season. Despite his trash coaching
I tried so hard, but he failed me. I maintain that there were things to like about him and even about his coaching, but in the end he just didn't figure out the head coaching bit well enough.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 05, 2019, 02:37:36 PM
We have to live with it, but we don't have to like it. I reserve the right to think that the new coaching staff is an awful pile of excrement that was and is my absolute nightmare scenario, until such time as they give me reason to think otherwise.
I agree with all the things you're saying, including the stuff with MB here. I just figure "What does it help to keep whining about it? Like the POTUS, I'm stuck with this guy for a couple of years, like it or not. May as well suck it up and hope for the best."
It's what I did when they hired Rex, even though I wanted Bill Cowher. It's what I did when they hired Bowles, even though I wanted Dan Quinn. The only real differences are that they finally hired an offensive coach and the guy I wanted this time was Literallyanyone Notnamedgase.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 05, 2019, 02:57:40 PM
I haven’t changed my tune on Gase. I just think he’s really good in interviews when he’s actually allowed to talk football.
I’ll defend that Gregg Williams hire until the end though.
Post by: Coach K on April 06, 2019, 11:14:20 AM
my overall point is McCarthy was atop most peoples list and we dodged a bullet there. I was interested in Rhule, and Monken was probably the only guy i wouldve had initial excitement about just from watching his offense in Tampa first hand.
my point is, after watching a couple hours of him talk pure football in interviews since being hired, I'm confident hes capable. he made chicken salad out of chicken excrement with a past his prime manning, cutler, and Tannehill (an oft injured WR turned QB who he coached to the playoffs the only year he played 16 games)
weve got a great OL coach , the rest of the offensive staff gives us no reason for excitement, im aware.
gregg williams is a huge get though and will bring the no bullshit attitude this young core needs to develop.
its very easy to look at Gase W-L and stick your nose up. conventional history would say thats a very appropriate thing to do.
im simply saying, considering who we brought in for interviews, I'm now happy with the hire. we didnt want drop off on D from losing Bowles, and Williams provides that. our weakest unit was OL and Pollack should improve that. Bowles hired dogshit year in and out for OC and now our HC is our de facto OC with Loggains simply being the understudy.
I expect to see all the slants, crosses, drags, and curls that we were begging for last yr. especially after hearing Gase rave about attacking the middle of the field with Herndon Crowder and Bell. this will only open things up for Enunwa and Anderson. Yes Enunwa is best suited in the slot but then we have the option of attacking seams with Herndon and Crowder and letting Enunwa work after the catch.
I still need to see a competent draft (Bosa or Allen at 3 and Center should be our first two picks ) Im confident a run on 2nd rd WRs and defenders will push a quality Center prospect down to our early 3rd rd pick. that should be a no brainer plug an play player. then we can worry about value after that.
I'm on board until something proves the lack of success outside of their 1 playoff run isnt a byproduct of a shitty organization with a mediocre QB
im going to be a broken record but as long as the value is there im very happy sitting at 3 and going Edge, C, CB with our first 3 picks.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2019, 11:34:09 AM
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When are the Jets introducing Quinnen Williams?
They’re not. Most teams have a day-after press conference for their top picks at the team facility. (And I think every team does for a top-five pick.) It’s a great day for the player’s family, which has a chance to share stories about their son, brother, grandson, cousin with media looking to learn more about the player.
The Jets used to do that for at least the past decade under Rex Ryan and Todd Bowles. However, Gase didn’t allow it this year. Perhaps he didn’t want to single out his first-round pick over the rest of the drafted players. Perhaps he doesn’t believe that Williams has earned a press conference without taking a single NFL snap.
Whatever the reason, it was a mistake. He robbed Williams and his family of a special moment. And that is truly a shame.
Manish
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2019, 11:35:32 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 01, 2019, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: Jumbo on May 01, 2019, 11:41:16 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2019, 11:44:38 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 01, 2019, 11:57:31 AM
If Gase can't deliver wins, then i'll grab my pitchfork.
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
Still, though. freak Adam Gase, his poopchute coaching staff and his weird freaking eyes.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2019, 12:27:49 PM
Post by: Gorilla on May 01, 2019, 01:02:43 PM
This should be a non-story.
Agreed.
This is the lolz sojf looking for the negative- real housewives-soap opera-level BS story that gives us a bad name.
Who gaf about a press conference to nitpick and bitch about? Here, i'll help you out with a Quinnen presser: "amazing man....man....man...amazing...its amazing...."
Happy?
On a related note....GUYS, I'M NOT SATISFIED AND I DON'T GET THE 6TH ROUNDER THAT I'VE NEVER hEARD OF FROM THE KNOW-NOTHING YOUTUBERS AND TALKING HEADS I WATCH!!! WHY DIDIN'T THEY DRAFT A PROBOWL CENTER INT THE 5HT AND 6TH???WAAAHHH!!
/retardjetstwitterandyoutube
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 01, 2019, 01:46:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2019, 01:49:23 PM
This should be a non-story.
I disagree, everything that happens with HC and player relationships will be scrutinized under Gase. And it should be.
I could care less about Manish’s drama spin on this “non-story”, but I would like to know why there isn’t a press conference introduction. I could care less if the fans want it or not, but if every other team does it, and we have for years, there’s a reason why it didn’t happen this year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2019, 01:52:45 PM
Agreed.
This is the lolz sojf looking for the negative- real housewives-soap opera-level BS story that gives us a bad name.
Who gaf about a press conference to nitpick and bitch about? Here, i'll help you out with a Quinnen presser: "amazing man....man....man...amazing...its amazing...."
Happy?
On a related note....GUYS, I'M NOT SATISFIED AND I DON'T GET THE 6TH ROUNDER THAT I'VE NEVER hEARD OF FROM THE KNOW-NOTHING YOUTUBERS AND TALKING HEADS I WATCH!!! WHY DIDIN'T THEY DRAFT A PROBOWL CENTER INT THE 5HT AND 6TH???WAAAHHH!!
/retardjetstwitterandyoutube
You can call me whatever names you like, and I’ll still be right that we hired an poopchute for a HC that has a history of players not liking him. I’ll refrain from returning the favor for now and wait to see how this all plays out.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2019, 01:57:32 PM
I disagree, everything that happens with HC and player relationships will be scrutinized under Gase. And it should be.
I could care less about Manish’s drama spin on this “non-story”, but I would like to know why there isn’t a press conference introduction. I could care less if the fans want it or not, but if every other team does it, and we have for years, there’s a reason why it didn’t happen this year.
I'll admit I'm curious about why as well. I really hope it was along the lines of Q not being comfortable and Gase having his back.
My fear is that Q was the center of what became the "Maccagnan on the hot seat" story because he and Gase don't see eye-to-eye on this pick at all.
Post by: MBGreen on May 01, 2019, 01:58:11 PM
You can call me whatever names you like, and I’ll still be right that we hired an poopchute for a HC that has a history of players not liking him. I’ll refrain from returning the favor for now and wait to see how this all plays out.
If we're winning games this year and in the playoff conversation, i don't care if Gase shits on your lawn.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 01, 2019, 02:03:14 PM
I'll admit I'm curious about why as well. I really hope it was along the lines of Q not being comfortable and Gase having his back.
My fear is that Q was the center of what became the "Maccagnan on the hot seat" story because he and Gase don't see eye-to-eye on this pick at all.
making something out of nothing
if Gase is truly upset about taking possibly the best player in the draft, he's not qualified to be a coach
the Jets didn't trade down because no one traded down, I would hope that an NFL HC is smart enough to understand that more than the average jets fan mongo
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2019, 02:05:17 PM
If we're winning games this year and in the playoff conversation, i don't care if Gase shits on your lawn.
I don't think anyone's going to disagree with that. If the team wins, no one will care about whether people like Gase, or Maccagnan, or if the locker room isn't as friendly as Sesame Street.
But if they're not winning, it's going to be really easy to point at things like a head coach with a history of players disliking him, who some of us literally had on our "Do not want under any circumstances" list, with a GM some of us wanted fired months ago, under a reporting structure that failed the last regime.
Post by: MBGreen on May 01, 2019, 02:12:51 PM
But if they're not winning, it's going to be really easy to point at things like a head coach with a history of players disliking him, who some of us literally had on our "Do not want under any circumstances" list, with a GM some of us wanted fired months ago, under a reporting structure that failed the last regime.
I'm aware of this as well. Gase wasn't my first choice either.
I could either be pissed or i can be optimistic. I choose the latter...because i just had 4 years of hating our HC (and with good reason). I want to give Gase a chance. If it falls apart again, then obviously my tune will change. For both Gase, and Duff.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
making something out of nothing
if Gase is truly upset about taking possibly the best player in the draft, he's not qualified to be a coach
the Jets didn't trade down because no one traded down, I would hope that an NFL HC is smart enough to understand that more than the average jets fan mongo
Pittsburgh traded up, so it's untrue no one traded down. It has been reported that the Jets had suitors, but weren't satisfied with any of the offers. Maybe Gase would've rather taken a lowballed deal to move down and get more offensive players? Maybe Gase would've rather taken an offensive player even at 3? I don't want to hear "No one else took X, Y or Z" because none of us know what value Gase placed on anyone in the draft.
As far as his qualifications to be a head coach, I didn't think he had them before he was hired. I've already said I'll support him because what choice do I have, but until he gives me reason to feel otherwise, I'll continue to not like the hire.
Post by: reuben on May 01, 2019, 02:34:30 PM
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When are the Jets introducing Quinnen Williams?
They’re not. Most teams have a day-after press conference for their top picks at the team facility. (And I think every team does for a top-five pick.) It’s a great day for the player’s family, which has a chance to share stories about their son, brother, grandson, cousin with media looking to learn more about the player.
The Jets used to do that for at least the past decade under Rex Ryan and Todd Bowles. However, Gase didn’t allow it this year. Perhaps he didn’t want to single out his first-round pick over the rest of the drafted players. Perhaps he doesn’t believe that Williams has earned a press conference without taking a single NFL snap.
Whatever the reason, it was a mistake. He robbed Williams and his family of a special moment. And that is truly a shame.
The story here isn't that the Jets front office (whomever it may have been) denied Quinnen Williams a press conference; it's that the Jets front office denied the press (Manish) a press conference. It would have been a lay-up fluff piece that I'll bet every beat journalist counts as one of their easier assignments of the year. Gussying it up as some sort of sacrosanct annual rite that's been denied Quinnen's dear, dear Grannie is just Manish pouting.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2019, 02:42:03 PM
The story here isn't that the Jets front office (whomever it may have been) denied Quinnen Williams a press conference; it's that the Jets front office denied the press (Manish) a press conference. It would have been a lay-up fluff piece that I'll bet every beat journalist counts as one of their easier assignments of the year. Gussying it up as some sort of sacrosanct annual rite that's been denied Quinnen's dear, dear Grannie is just Manish pouting.
I agree with that aspect of it, since none of the other Jets beat reporters are writing about this. I couldn’t care less what Manish has to say. I would like to know Gase’s reasoning on cancelling the presser. If it’s because Quinnen didn’t want to go in front of the media, this is in fact a non story and I’m glad Gase had his back. I would still be curious as to why Quinnen felt that way, but that would be the best possible reasoning. Right now none of us know.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2019, 02:42:53 PM
ALAMEDA, Calif. (KGO) -- The Oakland Raiders had three picks in the first round of the 2019 NFL Draft, and they addressed the media live for the first time as members of the Silver and Black Friday.
You can watch the full press conference introducing No 4. selection Clelin Ferrell, No. 24 selection Josh Jacobs, and No. 27 selection Jonathan Abram above.
Post by: Gorilla on May 01, 2019, 02:56:11 PM
You can call me whatever names you like, and I’ll still be right that we hired an poopchute for a HC that has a history of players not liking him. I’ll refrain from returning the favor for now and wait to see how this all plays out.
I wasn't calling anyone any names, specifically haha. If I was calling you out I'd explicitly have said "hey SFD, this is directed at you, since your'e a stinky fart dum dum", or something equally clever.
I was speaking generally, agreeing that this non-presser is a non-story imo. If someone wants it to be story, then that's their right to make it a story.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 01, 2019, 03:37:10 PM
Nothing has happened thus far to dissuade me from my initial opinion that if Harbaugh wasn't leaving Michigan, Gase would've been my guy.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 01, 2019, 04:07:48 PM
having an opinion on the lack of a QW PC seems silly
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 01, 2019, 04:18:42 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 01, 2019, 05:25:26 PM
The story here isn't that the Jets front office (whomever it may have been) denied Quinnen Williams a press conference; it's that the Jets front office denied the press (Manish) a press conference. It would have been a lay-up fluff piece that I'll bet every beat journalist counts as one of their easier assignments of the year. Gussying it up as some sort of sacrosanct annual rite that's been denied Quinnen's dear, dear Grannie is just Manish pouting.This. Manish is pissed he doesn't get an easy article from a press conference. Who cares if Quinnen has a press conference?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 01, 2019, 05:43:10 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2019, 07:01:28 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2019, 07:59:04 PM
This. Manish is pissed he doesn't get an easy article from a press conference. Who cares if Quinnen has a press conference?
I'm pretty sure Quinnen doesn't give much of a excrement.
Manish saying that Gase robbed Williams and his family of a special moment is so ridiculously over the top. He just got picked #3 overall in the NFL Draft and he's a guaranteed multi-millionaire at 21 years old. That's special enough.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
I'm pretty sure Quinnen doesn't give much of a excrement.
Manish saying that Gase robbed Williams and his family of a special moment is so ridiculously over the top. He just got picked #3 overall in the NFL Draft and he's a guaranteed multi-millionaire at 21 years old. That's special enough.
Maybe he's being dramatic but he absolutely has a valid point.
You want the dude to spend his career here, make it easy for him to do so. From an organization standpoint that shits nothing, to his family it's probably a very special moment, and gives him a chance to involve his family and loved ones in a life altering event
Post by: Heismanberg on May 01, 2019, 08:04:25 PM
Maybe he's being dramatic but he absolutely has a valid point.
You want the dude to spend his career here, make it easy for him to do so. From an organization standpoint that shits nothing, to his family it's probably a very special moment
He's already requested a trade.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
He's already requested a trade.
Not saying that, but it could spell the difference between a honeteam discount and the dude following in Revis or Wilkersons foot steps in a few years, or at least trend things a certain way
Post by: Libero_2 on May 01, 2019, 08:13:22 PM
Not saying that, but it could spell the difference between a honeteam discount and the dude following in Revis or Wilkersons foot steps in a few years, or at least trend things a certain way
5 years from now, we aren’t getting a home town discount or not because of this press conference. That will be if he thinks he has the best chance to win, and that’s largely going to be based on Sam and the defenses performance.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 01, 2019, 10:09:42 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2019, 10:24:11 PM
I don’t care about the fact that there isn’t a press conference. It’s mostly fan and media service and it’s not a big deal that there isn’t one. That’s kind of my point. The press conference is a nothingburger fluff piece, and if we are to believe Manish, Gase felt it necessary to cancel that exercise that just about every other team does and that we have done for the last several regimes. Why? Surely there’s a reason if he went out of his way to prevent it. Is Gase afraid he’ll be meme’d to death like his last presser? Is this a huge deal either way? No, but it’s astonishing that we’ve been able to have this much negative press surrounding this team in the few months since Gase was hired and before we’ve had any meaningful football activities.
Does anyone has a quote or a sound bite about what Adam Gase thinks about our 2019 draft or any of the players selected?
Post by: Miamipuck on May 02, 2019, 08:16:32 AM
If there’s one thing I’m certain of in life, it’s that Brady is not freaking his “wife.”
This
Post by: Miamipuck on May 02, 2019, 08:26:45 AM
Right. The thing that you're known for is your patience with coaches. We've always said that. "That MB, he's always so patient, always willing to give coaches every chance to succeed before reluctantly moving on from them." That's you, that is. Mr Patient.
I've seen Gase and Williams' coaching. I have every expectation they will fail. I might very well be wrong, and will be very happy to be so, but I'm not going to be all shiny brightness and light about a set of coaches I've stated were the very last people I wanted to see hired - in fact, much like you.
We have to live with it, but we don't have to like it. I reserve the right to think that the new coaching staff is an awful pile of excrement that was and is my absolute nightmare scenario, until such time as they give me reason to think otherwise.
This is definitely where I am at. I agree with SFD (Kill me) and JE (double kill me)
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 02, 2019, 08:31:43 AM
No idea about Gase but I'm not optimistic. He gives some pretty good interviews, at least when he has a hat on, but how he acts around press and hoe he runs the team are probably completely different things.
Post by: IATA on May 02, 2019, 10:19:13 AM
Does anyone has a quote or a sound bite about what Adam Gase thinks about our 2019 draft or any of the players selected?
cant find anything at all. so he hasnt commented on the class, declined to hold a fluff press conference to introduce the new guys, has a supposed rift with our gm 2 months after he was hired....
why the freak is he like this? why are we here? ffs
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 02, 2019, 01:44:01 PM
This is definitely where I am at. I agree with SFD (Kill me) and JE (double kill me)
You need to be serially killed at this point because I'm on the same page with SFD and JE as well.
cant find anything at all. so he hasnt commented on the class, declined to hold a fluff press conference to introduce the new guys, has a supposed rift with our gm 2 months after he was hired....
why the freak is he like this? why are we here? ffs
Right.
Basically, the only piece of "news" we have regarding Gase and the draft is the rumor that he is trying to oust Maccagnan.
Should this be NBD? Sure. The question is whether this an isolated thing or a symptom of a larger issue. Gase has a history of players disliking him--publicly. Even at their worst did anyone hear players directly complain about Rex or Bowles? Nope.
Where there's smoke, there tends to be fire.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 02, 2019, 02:04:15 PM
plus darnold said nice things about him a few times this off season and the GM said he was funny
where there's smoke, there's often fire
sign this beast to a 20 year extension before someone poaches him away from us
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 02, 2019, 02:13:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 02, 2019, 02:18:19 PM
I don't know why to suffer before the season even starts. There are some things that are not exactly ideal, but there's nothing remotely worrying yet. It could be a disaster for sure. It might not. We had Bowles, who did everything by the book and pleased everyone and was a freaking disaster. We had Rex who ruffled some feathers and took us to the AFCCG twice before going off a cliff. It's absurd to try to forecast what will happen because we simple don't have the elements to do it. Of course, it's a forum and it's the offseason, we need something to talk about, but IMO it's just pointless at the moment.
this is correct.
Why light the torch before a single snap has been taken? Give the guy a chance.
Having said that, because of Bowles and Rex i think Gase's leash will be shorter with the fanbase. From a FO standpoint, Macc will get canned before Gase does (unless they both do). There's no way Macc survives another coach firing.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 02, 2019, 03:29:24 PM
Some players stated they like Gase. Hooray! Again, how many players publicly went on record as not liking Rex or Bowles? Hell, Bill Belichick might be the biggest dick in the sport, and none of his players--current or former--ever complain about him.
I'm not here trying to convince anyone to dislike Gase. You want to give him a chance? Be my guest. But I won't be so much as satisfied with the hire until the guy makes the playoffs. And anything negative that comes out of this organization until then is only going to serve to reinforce my belief that Adam Gase was the worst possible hire the Jets could've made.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 02, 2019, 04:00:57 PM
Post by: Jumbo on May 02, 2019, 04:11:04 PM
TIL Alio would rather have Jeff Fisher as HC over Adam Gase
Let's give Kotite another try
Post by: Johnny English on May 02, 2019, 04:44:33 PM
TIL Alio would rather have Jeff Fisher as HC over Adam Gase
I'd rather have a beer with Jeff Fisher than Adam Gase.
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
I'd rather have a beer with Jeff Fisher than Adam Gase.I'd rather split a case of beer with Rex.
Post by: Johnny English on May 02, 2019, 07:50:35 PM
I'd rather split a case of beer with Rex.
Jeff and Rex sound like a fun night out.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2019, 08:10:54 PM
this is correct.
Why light the torch before a single snap has been taken? Give the guy a chance.
Having said that, because of Bowles and Rex i think Gase's leash will be shorter with the fanbase. From a FO standpoint, Macc will get canned before Gase does (unless they both do). There's no way Macc survives another coach firing.
There's no way Mac gets fired and Gase stays. If Gase is bad enough to get Mac fired, Gase is gone too.
I imagine it's pretty freaking rare for a HC to survive a GM firing. Rex was an exception because he lead this franchise to two of its greatest seasons of all time, not to mention was the ultimate performer
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 02, 2019, 09:41:59 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 02, 2019, 10:46:09 PM
Post by: reuben on May 02, 2019, 11:38:55 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 07:42:29 AM
There's no way Mac gets fired and Gase stays. If Gase is bad enough to get Mac fired, Gase is gone too.
I imagine it's pretty freaking rare for a HC to survive a GM firing. Rex was an exception because he lead this franchise to two of its greatest seasons of all time, not to mention was the ultimate performer
you obviously haven't been paying attention to how the Johnsons run this franchise.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 07:43:07 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 03, 2019, 12:59:17 PM
You need to be serially killed at this point because I'm on the same page with SFD and JE as well.
Right.
Basically, the only piece of "news" we have regarding Gase and the draft is the rumor that he is trying to oust Maccagnan.
Should this be NBD? Sure. The question is whether this an isolated thing or a symptom of a larger issue. Gase has a history of players disliking him--publicly. Even at their worst did anyone hear players directly complain about Rex or Bowles? Nope.
Where there's smoke, there tends to be fire.
Get off my lawn
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
But that would be ridiculous because there is a single person on the entire planet I wouldn't want as head coach more than Adam Gase. Donald Trump.
EDIT: Going back to what I wrote, I said Gase was the last guy in the entire sport I wanted, and I was being hyperbolic but you know what, I'll stick by it. Would I take Fisher over Gase? Technically, he's not part of the sport right now, so I could weasel out that way, but nah, I'll just dig in on this one. I'd take him over Gase. Until Gase proves himself a capable head coach, I'm not happy with his hiring.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 01:17:49 PM
Sure, we'll assume that I didn't mean of all the people that were in consideration for HC of the Jets, and just assume I meant every single human that isn't Adam Gase.
But that would be ridiculous because there is a single person on the entire planet I wouldn't want as head coach more than Adam Gase. Donald Trump.
i think you need to relax, Alio. Usually people wait to see what a coach does for their team before they overreact like this.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2019, 01:21:51 PM
i think you need to relax, Alio. Usually people wait to see what a coach does for their team before they overreact like this.
You should tell MB from 4 months ago that, you can find him at the beginning of this thread.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2019, 01:23:21 PM
i think you need to relax, Alio. Usually people wait to see what a coach does for their team before they overreact like this.
As I said, I'm stuck with him, so I'll see what happens. But I'm not happy with the hire and I expect to be having another conversation about the next head coach in the next 3 years.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2019, 01:26:11 PM
You should tell MB from 4 months ago that, you can find him at the beginning of this thread.
Lol, I just went back and started reading this thread's first page. The only one who wanted this guy was mj2sexay. MB wanted to "fire him into the sun."
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 03, 2019, 01:51:09 PM
You should tell MB from 4 months ago that, you can find him at the beginning of this thread.
Late December/early January MB is always my favorite MB. Certainly the most quotable.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 01:56:33 PM
You should tell MB from 4 months ago that, you can find him at the beginning of this thread.
I've been very clear that I wasn't a fan of the hire.
But he's here, and there's nothing anybody can do about it. So i chose to support him until he gives me a reason not to.
Besides, whining about someone who hasn't had the chance to prove themselves yet is a tad shortsighted...but you do you.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 02:02:19 PM
Lol, I just went back and started reading this thread's first page. The only one who wanted this guy was mj2sexay. MB wanted to "fire him into the sun."
Yeah because he wasn't my first, second or third choice. But here we are...that's part of being a fan of this franchise.
Taking the wait and see approach seems to be the logical choice.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 02:05:03 PM
Late December/early January MB is always my favorite MB. Certainly the most quotable.
I know you hate that i was right about Bowles, Rex, Tannenbaum and the Revis trade...but these are the trials and tribulations i must go through to make you a smarter fan.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 03, 2019, 02:05:09 PM
Taking the wait and see approach seems to be the logical choice.
Until you pass 50. Then it's wait, see and figure out how much longer you have to live.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 03, 2019, 02:06:31 PM
I know you hate that i was right about Bowles, Rex, Tannenbaum and the Revis trade...but these are the trials and tribulations i must go through to make you a smarter fan.
You were right about Bowles, wrong about the rest, .250 would make you a decent living if you could hit a baseball.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 02:11:54 PM
Until you pass 50. Then it's wait, see and figure out how much longer you have to live.
uhhh sure? ::)
You were right about Bowles, wrong about the rest, .250 would make you a decent living if you could hit a baseball.
Nope...i was bang on. That's why Rex is floundering in a tv studio now and Tannenbaum had his GM duties stripped in Miami.
Batting .250 might be ok for the National League....but shitty baseball is prominent in that league.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 03, 2019, 02:14:24 PM
You were right about Bowles, wrong about the rest, .250 would make you a decent living if you could hit a baseball.
You have seen the Jets suck for so long you actually think the pure excrement that MB listed were good. GTFO. Tannenbaum and Rex sucked, absolutely sucked. Yippee 2 good years in 25 doesn't make for a good FO. If I wanted to wreck a team I would hire Tannenbaum and Rex today, they are both complete train wrecks and the living definition of the Peter Principle.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 02:15:24 PM
You have seen the Jets suck for so long you actually think the pure excrement that MB listed were good. GTFO. Tannenbaum and Rex sucked, absolutely sucked. Yippee 2 good years in 25 doesn't make for a good FO. If I wanted to wreck a team I would hire Tannenbaum and Rex today, they are both complete train wrecks and the living definition of the Peter Principle.
Yeah but...he only has so many years left to live. #Over50IsNifty
we need to retain all of our garbage coaches and GMs for a minimum of 10 years. The ItalianSeafood rule.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 03, 2019, 02:18:14 PM
Sure, we'll assume that I didn't mean of all the people that were in consideration for HC of the Jets, and just assume I meant every single human that isn't Adam Gase.
But that would be ridiculous because there is a single person on the entire planet I wouldn't want as head coach more than Adam Gase. Donald Trump.
EDIT: Going back to what I wrote, I said Gase was the last guy in the entire sport I wanted, and I was being hyperbolic but you know what, I'll stick by it. Would I take Fisher over Gase? Technically, he's not part of the sport right now, so I could weasel out that way, but nah, I'll just dig in on this one. I'd take him over Gase. Until Gase proves himself a capable head coach, I'm not happy with his hiring.
Weren't you the one that used to excrement on Cashman?
So glad you're not in the Gase camp considering how wrong you are about everything else, I would think its a surefire signal that we're going 11-5.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 02:18:55 PM
Weren't you the one that used to excrement on Cashman?
So glad you're not in the Gase camp considering how wrong you are about everything else, I would think its a surefire signal that we're going 11-5.
lol
Alio actually shits on the Yankees GM? just wow. He wouldn't last 5 seconds with the morons from Rogers Media running his team.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 03, 2019, 02:32:53 PM
You have seen the Jets suck for so long you actually think the pure excrement that MB listed were good. GTFO. Tannenbaum and Rex sucked, absolutely sucked. Yippee 2 good years in 25 doesn't make for a good FO. If I wanted to wreck a team I would hire Tannenbaum and Rex today, they are both complete train wrecks and the living definition of the Peter Principle.
They weren't here for 25 years. They were here together for four, two of which we made the AFC Championship Game. excrement on that if you want to but it's the best two year run in our history.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 03, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
Batting .250 might be ok for the National League....but shitty baseball is prominent in that league.
I said it would make you some money. If you hit .250 and you're not athletic enough to play the field you can still get a job in the AL.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 02:36:09 PM
They weren't here for 25 years. They were here together for four, two of which we made the AFC Championship Game. excrement on that if you want to but it's the best two year run in our history.
Nobody cares about the AFCCG, especially the losing teams.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 03, 2019, 02:37:20 PM
Nobody cares about the AFCCG, especially the losing teams.
Especially when it blows up your argument.
Good thing we've moved on to 5-11 and 4-12 every year. #Improvement
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 02:39:51 PM
I said it would make you some money. If you hit .250 and you're not athletic enough to play the field you can still get a job in the AL.
It's a better gig than the NL. Especially for pitchers where you're not expected to hit and run the bases all the way to the IR.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 02:41:25 PM
Especially when it blows up your argument.
Good thing we've moved on to 5-11 and 4-12 every year. #Improvement
You keep referencing 2009 and 2010. That's almost 10 years ago, and we didn't win excrement. How the freak does that blow up my argument?
we moved on to 5-11 and 4-12 every year, and you want to freaking retain the guys responsible. Makes sense.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2019, 02:44:59 PM
Yeah because he wasn't my first, second or third choice. But here we are...that's part of being a fan of this franchise.
Taking the wait and see approach seems to be the logical choice.
As I've said, I'm stuck with the guy, so I've got to hope he works out. And I do hope he works out. I hate losing. If you could guarantee me that he's going to win the Super Bowl, I'd wholeheartedly embrace him as head coach. Hell, if you guarantee me a Super Bowl win, I'd embrace Donald Trump.
But I don't think he will. I think he's going to set this franchise back. When Bowles and Rex were hired, I wasn't a big fan of hiring yet another defensive coach, but I gave them both a chance for two reasons:
1) Both came with a good pedigree of coaching their previous units really well and being well liked
2) Neither time did this team have a franchise QB in place
Gase's coaching history is letting Peyton Manning lead an offense to the Super Bowl. That, and at his last job, he had players come out publicly to bad mouth him, again, something not a single player did under Rex or Bowles even at their worst.
If it takes 3 years to discover that Gase is garbage, Darnold's rookie deal will be expiring a year into yet another new regime. You can wait patiently if you want to, but I want to see results before investing this time.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 02:52:26 PM
As I've said, I'm stuck with the guy, so I've got to hope he works out. And I do hope he works out. I hate losing. If you could guarantee me that he's going to win the Super Bowl, I'd wholeheartedly embrace him as head coach. Hell, if you guarantee me a Super Bowl win, I'd embrace Donald Trump.
But I don't think he will. I think he's going to set this franchise back. When Bowles and Rex were hired, I wasn't a big fan of hiring yet another defensive coach, but I gave them both a chance for two reasons:
1) Both came with a good pedigree of coaching their previous units really well and being well liked
2) Neither time did this team have a franchise QB in place
Gase's coaching history is letting Peyton Manning lead an offense to the Super Bowl. That, and at his last job, he had players come out publicly to bad mouth him, again, something not a single player did under Rex or Bowles even at their worst.
If it takes 3 years to discover that Gase is garbage, Darnold's rookie deal will be expiring a year into yet another new regime. You can wait patiently if you want to, but I want to see results before investing this time.
why do you have to embrace him... Is taking a wait & see approach that difficult to grasp?
We've wasted a 2nd contract on Rex Ryan, which he used to run the team into the ground. Then we wasted another 4 years on Bowles. So i get the impatience narrative. I want to win too.
But i want to see what Gase does with this team. I don't even know what to expect because we haven't had an offense-minded HC in 25+ years. If he shits the bed, then fine....I'm with you guys. I'm not ready to put the cart before the horse though.
Sure, he wasn't great in Miami, but there were mitigating factors (injuries for one)... he sure knew how to beat the nyjets though.
We finally have a franchise QB too. Lets see what the product looks like on the field first before we start condemning it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2019, 03:03:32 PM
why do you have to embrace him... Is taking a wait & see approach that difficult to grasp?
We've wasted a 2nd contract on Rex Ryan, which he used to run the team into the ground. Then we wasted another 4 years on Bowles. So i get the impatience narrative. I want to win too.
But i want to see what Gase does with this team. I don't even know what to expect because we haven't had an offense-minded HC in 25+ years. If he shits the bed, then fine....I'm with you guys. I'm not ready to put the cart before the horse though.
Sure, he wasn't great in Miami, but there were mitigating factors (injuries for one)... he sure knew how to beat the nyjets though.
We finally have a franchise QB too. Lets see what the product looks like on the field first before we start condemning it.
This whole conversation stems from the lack of a press conference for Williams. That led to questions asking why? It's a fair question to ask because Gase has a history of being someone players vocally disliked. Was it a non-issue? Maybe. Was it an issue where Williams didn't want a presser and Gase was protecting him? I hope so.
But his history tells me otherwise. And given that he wasn't even last on my list of potential hires, he was literally at the top of my do not hire list, I don't see why I need to have faith in him until he gives me reason to.
As I said previously, I'm not here trying to convince anyone to dislike Gase. Whether you do or don't is up to you. But I don't like him and I don't think he's going to do anything but set the franchise back. I will gladly eat crow if I'm wrong.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 03, 2019, 03:16:24 PM
you're deciding to selectively believe nonsense
if you had anything gase has said or done since being hired to complain about other than "maybe gase decided to cancel QW's press conference because the evil in his heart feeds on seeing disappointment in the eyes of young men" you could have a better argument
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2019, 03:55:58 PM
Gase's history tells us that his players will tweet out nice things about him and lobby for him so he can get jobs
you're deciding to selectively believe nonsense
if you had anything gase has said or done since being hired to complain about other than "maybe gase decided to cancel QW's press conference because the evil in his heart feeds on seeing disappointment in the eyes of young men" you could have a better argument
Yeah, it's not like there was a rumor he was trying to get Maccagnan fired in the middle of the draft. Or that he completely disappeared and wouldn't even comment on the picks made. Sorry, it was because "the draft is the GM's thing", my bad.
And once again, no then-current or former players of Rex Ryan or Todd Bowles ever said a bad thing about them publicly. Bill Belichick is clearly an impersonal dick, yet no former or current players ever say a bad word about him publicly.
No matter how many guys come to Gase's defense, there have been players who publicly spoke against him. Whenever "anonymous" sources say anything, everyone wants to know why no one put their name on it. Guys did with Gase.
You're the one who is being selective, not me. I'll acknowledge players have taken his side and most coaches--even shitty ones--get the same treatment. What shitty coaches like Rex and Bowles didn't get were guys so adamant about how bad they were that they'd literally put their names on it.
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2019, 04:23:13 PM
he sure knew how to beat the nyjets though.
This is literally the least useful skill he could have in his current job.
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 04:41:33 PM
Gase's history tells us that his players will tweet out nice things about him and lobby for him so he can get jobsMC gets it
you're deciding to selectively believe nonsense
if you had anything gase has said or done since being hired to complain about other than "maybe gase decided to cancel QW's press conference because the evil in his heart feeds on seeing disappointment in the eyes of young men" you could have a better argument
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2019, 05:02:35 PM
This is literally the least useful skill he could have in his current job.
You don’t think the team could benefit learning from a game plan that beat them consistently? I’m pretty sure there’s some valuable insight there.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 03, 2019, 07:45:07 PM
No matter how many guys come to Gase's defense, there have been players who publicly spoke against him. Whenever "anonymous" sources say anything, everyone wants to know why no one put their name on it. Guys did with Gase.
I don't know why this idiotic talking point gets continually parroted. In fairness, you're not the only one to do it.
The players that spoke out against Gase, are losers. Losers. Jarvis Landry hasn't won a freaking thing. Jordan Phillips is so completely irrelevant that I am actually laughing at the amount of stock his opinion has been given around this board when it comes to our new head coach. The idea that Gore spoke out publicly against him has been correctly classified as fake news.
Anyway, I made this argument when I initially supported him being considered after it was clear that Jimmy Harbs wasn't leaving Ann Arbor, and I'll make it now. Show me the Dolphin team under his watch that underachieved.
You can't. It doesn't exist.
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2019, 07:53:45 PM
I know you hate that i was right about Bowles, Rex, Tannenbaum and the Revis trade...but these are the trials and tribulations i must go through to make you a smarter fan.
You also referred to John Idzik as "Idzik da God" in a non-ironic fashion for quite some time, so don't let's just cherrypick the excrement you claim to have been right about. And while most of us are in agreement that Rex and Tanny wore out their welcome, let's also not get all revisionist about '09 and '10 and pretend like they weren't freaking awesome times when Brady and Peyton were actually losing to us in games that mattered. You sure as freak weren't calling for Rex and Tanny's heads then.
I think Alio's maybe going a bit further than I am, but it's not unreasonable to maintain the same view of Gase that was held prior to his employment with the Jets until such time as he gives us a good reason to change it. As of now he remains the same weird poopchute who achieved nothing with Miami and is proven to not play nicely with others, and while your position of putting aside your prior dislike of him is perfectly reasonable, it doesn't mean that those of us not willing to do so are suddenly some kind of fruitcakes.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 03, 2019, 10:51:34 PM
I remember guys (Long was one) talking about how they were glad he was gone so they could finally talk about their injuries (like the one that made Long incapable of snapping a football that he wasn't allowed to tell the media about).
This isn't about it being "proven" that Gase can't play nice with others. We're Jets fans, we always grasp at the thinnest of straws to knock our rivals. Everyone was happy to believe he was a world class dickweed before the Jets hired him, because he was the Dolphins' coach.
Now most people are saying, "alright, he's our guy now, so I guess we have to drop all that fanciful bullshit"
except for the handful of people who are saying "NOPE PROVEN WORLD CLASS DICKWEED REMEMBER?"
congratulations, you guys had a negative opinion about an opponent in the AFC East
unfortunately there's probably more evidence that Tom Brady is too gay to bang his supermodel wife than there is that Gase is a monster of a human being who can't get along with anyone
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2019, 11:46:46 PM
Does that mean any of what I saw was correct? No. My opinion on Gase had nothing to do with me wanting to dislike him because I’m a Jets fan though.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 05, 2019, 11:23:27 PM
I thought he was a world class dickweed based on just about every dolphins fan opinion that I saw. There was a lot of speculation that he lost the locker room and the team gave up on him in the final weeks of the season. Again, from what I saw, most Dolphins fans celebrated his firing.
Does that mean any of what I saw was correct? No. My opinion on Gase had nothing to do with me wanting to dislike him because I’m a Jets fan though.
To be frank, who gives a excrement about any of this if he can win?
Bowles was a freaking weirdo and had so many issues with the team giving up on him or not giving a excrement. At the end of the day the dude didn't know how to win.
Hell if Gase tortures this fan base and team for 3 years, loses the locker room, and gets fired. But develops Darnold into a bonified elite QB it'll still freaking be worth it. And at the very least I have some faith he can handle Darnold
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 05, 2019, 11:30:49 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 06, 2019, 11:10:43 AM
You also referred to John Idzik as "Idzik da God" in a non-ironic fashion for quite some time, so don't let's just cherrypick the excrement you claim to have been right about. And while most of us are in agreement that Rex and Tanny wore out their welcome, let's also not get all revisionist about '09 and '10 and pretend like they weren't freaking awesome times when Brady and Peyton were actually losing to us in games that mattered. You sure as freak weren't calling for Rex and Tanny's heads then.
I think Alio's maybe going a bit further than I am, but it's not unreasonable to maintain the same view of Gase that was held prior to his employment with the Jets until such time as he gives us a good reason to change it. As of now he remains the same weird poopchute who achieved nothing with Miami and is proven to not play nicely with others, and while your position of putting aside your prior dislike of him is perfectly reasonable, it doesn't mean that those of us not willing to do so are suddenly some kind of fruitcakes.
Bingo.
I admittedly got a bit hyperbolic last week over this, but so far, Adam Gase has done absolutely nothing to prove to me he was a solid, much less good, hire. Until he does, no, I will not just go all-in on blind faith. Hope? Sure. But not faith.
I thought he was a world class dickweed based on just about every dolphins fan opinion that I saw. There was a lot of speculation that he lost the locker room and the team gave up on him in the final weeks of the season. Again, from what I saw, most Dolphins fans celebrated his firing.
Does that mean any of what I saw was correct? No. My opinion on Gase had nothing to do with me wanting to dislike him because I’m a Jets fan though.
As a Jets fan, I want to like him. He's the head coach of my favorite NFL team. I hate losing. I want him to prove me as wrong as is humanly possible by raising a Lombardi. But believing he won't is completely different from not wanting him to.
Post by: MBGreen on May 06, 2019, 11:52:52 AM
Bingo.
I admittedly got a bit hyperbolic last week over this, but so far, Adam Gase has done absolutely nothing to prove to me he was a solid, much less good, hire. Until he does, no, I will not just go all-in on blind faith. Hope? Sure. But not faith.
Gase also hasn't done anything to prove otherwise either...because OTAs, TC or the regular season haven't started yet. And before you cite his tenure with Miami as part of your argument, let me remind you HCs like Belichick/Carroll were trash before NWE and SEA hired them respectively.
FTR, i'm not defending Gase. I don't know what we have with him yet, so what's the point in throwing him under the bus...in freaking May.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 06, 2019, 12:03:13 PM
Gase also hasn't done anything to prove otherwise either...because OTAs, TC or the regular season haven't started yet. And before you cite his tenure with Miami as part of your argument, let me remind you HCs like Belichick/Carroll were trash before NWE and SEA hired them respectively.
FTR, i'm not defending Gase. I don't know what we have with him yet, so what's the point in throwing him under the bus...in freaking May.
I mentioned this last week. This whole conversation started because of Manish's story that Gase had taken the opportunity of an introductory press conference away from Williams. Add to that the weird interviews, the complete lack of his face during the draft, a refusal to discuss the picks with the media, and the story that he was trying to get Maccagnan fired during the draft.
It could all be nothing. Or, it could be something really bad. It's not unfair for those of us who were never in favor of his hire to begin with--thanks to his history--to question whether he should be the leader of this team when questionable behavior continues to pop up.
We keep running in circles on this, but I'm going to continue to compare it to Trump's election. I didn't, and don't like that he won. But that's what happened, and all I can do is wait it out and hope that if things don't somehow end up great, they at least don't become irreparably bad. But I'm under no obligation to like it until such time as I'm proven wrong.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 06, 2019, 12:35:39 PM
Did any of the comments from the two shitty players who said they didn't like Gase imply that he was an ineffectual, racist, sexual predator?
Is there any evidence that he became the Jets HC via treason?
this is a strange comp to keep harping on
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 06, 2019, 12:37:04 PM
they're still on the schedule for next year, seems like they survived
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 06, 2019, 12:59:08 PM
I still don't see the comparison between Trump and Gase.
Did any of the comments from the two shitty players who said they didn't like Gase imply that he was an ineffectual, racist, sexual predator?
Is there any evidence that he became the Jets HC via treason?
this is a strange comp to keep harping on
Keep going out of your way to be ridiculous.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 06, 2019, 02:53:08 PM
I still don't see the comparison between Trump and Gase.
Did any of the comments from the two shitty players who said they didn't like Gase imply that he was an ineffectual, racist, sexual predator?
Is there any evidence that he became the Jets HC via treason?
this is a strange comp to keep harping on
Lmaooo what the freak is this nonsense.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 07, 2019, 08:38:30 PM
Alio is doing the world a disservice by normalizing such a failure with comparisons to sportsball coaches.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 07, 2019, 09:32:54 PM
I agree, it's really nonsensical to compare Adam Gase to Trump. Gase had a losing record, Trump lost 1.2 billion dollars in under 10 years. Not at all the same thing.
Alio is doing the world a disservice by normalizing such a failure with comparisons to sportsball coaches.
Quoted to further support my assertion that 9 times out of 10 people who use the term "sportball" are know-nothing douchebags.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2019, 01:32:39 PM
Gase Press Conference from Rookie Orientation
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2019, 01:44:16 PM
“I don’t read much because I think a lot of the stuff is crap... No offense.”
Post by: Johnny English on July 19, 2019, 10:02:32 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 16, 2019, 12:22:15 PM
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The Jets starting offense (minus Le'Veon Bell) has run two drives this preseason:
* Almost exclusively no huddle
* Almost all up tempo
* 11 personnel usage (Anderson, Enunwa, Crowder at WR and Herndon at TE)
* Two TD drives (75 yards and 66 yards)
* Sam Darnold razor sharp
Yates
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 16, 2019, 12:39:10 PM
I don't think I've ever watched the Jets look so effective on offense. That includes Fitzpatrick's great year, and Vinny's AFCC run.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 16, 2019, 12:57:22 PM
However, that was with Ryan Tannehill, who might not have been good enough to run it. Plus, and maybe this is me putting thoughts into Gase's head that he didn't actually have, Gase might have realized that the Dolphins kind of sucked talent-wise, and the best way for them to win was to LIMIT the number of plays to increase variance. Running more plays allows for more chances for the cream to rise to the top.
I'm also thrilled to have an offensive-minded head coach. We haven't had an offensive-minded head coach in over 20 years, and in today's NFL, you need someone who has the mindset that you need to outscore the opponent to win, and that winning 38-35 is just as good (and sometimes better) than winning 10-6.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 16, 2019, 01:01:28 PM
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In two games, the #Jets have gone no-huddle on 11 of 23 plays with Sam Darnold taking snaps (48%). They scored TDs on two of his four drives.
NY went no-huddle on 4% of plays last year, and Adam Gase’s #Dolphins used it on 15% of snaps.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 03, 2019, 05:40:19 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 03, 2019, 06:00:01 PM
https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1168861032577560576?s=21
Here we see clear evidence of why 24 hour coverage of a single sport is a bad idea, you end up having to fill airtime with idiocy like this. Anyone who has studied the most very basic elements of body language will be able to explain why this is complete garbage.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 03, 2019, 06:03:20 PM
Here we see clear evidence of why 24 hour coverage of a single sport is a bad idea, you end up having to fill airtime with idiocy like this. Anyone who has studied the most very basic elements of body language will be able to explain why this is complete garbage.Or you're just taking this way too seriously.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 03, 2019, 06:19:34 PM
Or you're just taking this way too seriously.
JE?? Never.
Post by: klaximilian on September 04, 2019, 11:31:30 AM
Between Gase, Douglas, Chris Johnson, new team president, etc… It just feels like the Jets are finally making a lot of the right moves.
Haven’t had this kind of excitement going into the season in a long time.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 04, 2019, 11:44:07 AM
I was about as skeptical as anyone when they hired Gase, but it’s starting to feel like they are finally getting things right in Florham Park.Remember, every Jets coach in Year 1 is great. I'm buying into the Gase hype just like everyone else, but it's worth remembering that every Jets coach provides good feelings in Year 1, whether it's Parcells leading an 8-game turnaround or Herm leading us to the playoffs, or Mangini showing up on the Sopranos, or Rex telling everyone we're going to the freaking Super Bowl and nearly getting it done, or Bowles leading us to 10 wins.
Between Gase, Douglas, Chris Johnson, new team president, etc… It just feels like the Jets are finally making a lot of the right moves.
Haven’t had this kind of excitement going into the season in a long time.
This is the most excited I've been going into a season in a long time, but to me, Darnold is the biggest reason why. That said, I love having an offensive-minded head coach. It's very refreshing.
Post by: klaximilian on September 04, 2019, 12:00:20 PM
Remember, every Jets coach in Year 1 is great. I'm buying into the Gase hype just like everyone else, but it's worth remembering that every Jets coach provides good feelings in Year 1, whether it's Parcells leading an 8-game turnaround or Herm leading us to the playoffs, or Mangini showing up on the Sopranos, or Rex telling everyone we're going to the freaking Super Bowl and nearly getting it done, or Bowles leading us to 10 wins.
This is the most excited I've been going into a season in a long time, but to me, Darnold is the biggest reason why. That said, I love having an offensive-minded head coach. It's very refreshing.
I forgot to even mention Darnold. He’s one of the biggest reasons why I’m optimistic for the future, as well as the other reasons I’ve already mentioned.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 04, 2019, 12:52:39 PM
Remember, every Jets coach in Year 1 is great. I'm buying into the Gase hype just like everyone else, but it's worth remembering that every Jets coach provides good feelings in Year 1, whether it's Parcells leading an 8-game turnaround or Herm leading us to the playoffs, or Mangini showing up on the Sopranos, or Rex telling everyone we're going to the freaking Super Bowl and nearly getting it done, or Bowles leading us to 10 wins.
This is the most excited I've been going into a season in a long time, but to me, Darnold is the biggest reason why. That said, I love having an offensive-minded head coach. It's very refreshing.
Exactly.
Right now, like SFD, we're in the honeymoon phase of our Gase marriage. And until Douglas gets through his first free agency and draft, we're still just dating.
Darnold changes everything and makes it a lot easier to have hope but let's see how we're feeling in 10-12 months. I'm 100% rooting for Gase & Co. to succeed, but I'm not ready to forget that he was literally the last guy on my list to hire.
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2019, 04:50:06 PM
Remember, every Jets coach in Year 1 is great. I'm buying into the Gase hype just like everyone else, but it's worth remembering that every Jets coach provides good feelings in Year 1, whether it's Parcells leading an 8-game turnaround or Herm leading us to the playoffs, or Mangini showing up on the Sopranos, or Rex telling everyone we're going to the freaking Super Bowl and nearly getting it done, or Bowles leading us to 10 wins.
Didn't want to be that guy but I agree with your sentiment completely.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 04, 2019, 04:53:17 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 04, 2019, 10:39:45 PM
I wasn't a fan of the hire (think I said something about them giving me reasons to not be a fan anymore) but it's not like anything I say or do can change this. Hopefully it works out to be better than his time in Miami.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 09, 2019, 10:41:58 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 09, 2019, 10:53:59 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 18, 2019, 03:28:23 PM
Hahaha
Post by: reuben on September 18, 2019, 04:38:06 PM
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1174353674702938112?s=21
Hahaha
I was unaware Jamal Adams was benched. Makes sense, though. In a lost game, at least Adam Gase can hang his hat on publicly embarrassing the best Jet since Nick Mangold.
These chumps. These freaking chumps. They're gonna stick around just long enough to ruin Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold and then they'll be on their merry way.
Post by: Ornstein on September 18, 2019, 05:22:46 PM
I was unaware Jamal Adams was benched. Makes sense, though. In a lost game, at least Adam Gase can hang his hat on publicly embarrassing the best Jet since Nick Mangold.
These chumps. These freaking chumps. They're gonna stick around just long enough to ruin Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold and then they'll be on their merry way.
Was this ever in doubt?
Post by: dcm1602 on September 18, 2019, 05:39:48 PM
Was this ever in doubt?
While I don't want to give Gase the benefit of the doubt. He really hasn't had the opportunity to do anything here. I can't imagine any coach having come in here and fixed it immediately.
That said if our HC and GM aren't ultra aggressive about fixing the OL before next season, then I'm all for the torches and pitchforks
At this point the best they can do is run our offense in a way where you're getting rid of the ball instantly.
Post by: IATA on September 18, 2019, 05:44:02 PM
While I don't want to give Gase the benefit of the doubt. He really hasn't had the opportunity to do anything here. I can't imagine any coach having come in here and fixed it immediately.So he gets a blank check to freak up the locker room and team morale because hes in the first year?
That said if our HC and GM aren't ultra aggressive about fixing the OL before next season, then I'm all for the torches and pitchforks
freak this guy and freak this kind of take. Hes freaking with the few good players on our terrible team, the supposed offensive guru has managed to put together one of the worst units in the league, but he gets a pass on the bad because its his first year.
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 18, 2019, 05:47:15 PM
So he gets a blank check to freak up the locker room and team morale because hes in the first year?
freak this guy and freak this kind of take. Hes freaking with the few good players on our terrible team, the supposed offensive guru has managed to put together one of the worst units in the league, but he gets a pass on the bad because its his first year.
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Are there problems with the locker room? I don't recall hearing about anyone malcontent or anonymous sources. The Adams thing seems to be a non issue and seems like a fairly reasonable non event
Post by: Badger on September 18, 2019, 06:48:42 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 18, 2019, 08:06:46 PM
The Jets have not started 0-2 under a new HC since our last offensive HC, Rich Kotite in 1995.
That's offensive.
Post by: Johnny English on September 18, 2019, 08:18:29 PM
The Jets have not started 0-2 under a new HC since our last offensive HC, Rich Kotite in 1995.
But I was told that we could ignore all of the previous concerns and red flags about Gase because having an offensive HC would make everything different. Why is everything not different?
Post by: IATA on September 18, 2019, 08:29:35 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on September 18, 2019, 08:30:50 PM
Maccagnanannan
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Right, of course. Gase is a great coach but it's his Pop Warner roster that's holding him back. Stupid me.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 18, 2019, 08:36:29 PM
Post by: klaximilian on September 18, 2019, 10:39:10 PM
Look. I didn't like the Gase hire at first either, like many of you, but I want to give him a chance.
Did anyone seriously expect good offensive results with a backup QB? Not to mention, our line looks like complete dogsh*t.
Sam Darnold freakin played with mono against possibly the best defense in the NFL in week 1. He did sub-par, but at least he didn't blow chunks all over the field. He held his own given the circumstances.
And while we may be 0-2, the defense actually hasn't looked that bad. When Mosley is on the field we actually looked pretty good. The CBs, while a weakness, are looking somewhat serviceable. (OBJ making them look stupid aside) Our line and edge rushers still don't get consistent penetration, but that's nothing new. Jamal and Maye look like two studs on the back end.
But we're going to be 0-3. Accept it. This should have been obvious the moment Darnold was declared out with mono.
We can start to judge Gase if it all falls apart when we have our QB, Stud MLB, and 1st round draft pick on the field after a few games.
No need to call for his head at 0-2 under such circumstances.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 19, 2019, 07:47:45 AM
None of us know how he handled Adams. All we have is media reports. Who knows if Jamal is frustrated by being pulled at the end of the game or just frustrated with all the losing, or both.
As much as Gase is not exactly a charming personality, he's trying to make chicken salad out of chicken excrement right now. I thought the defense played very well considering all the injuries and lack of talent at corner. We have Luke Falk at QB. It doesn't matter who else is on the team, this is a losing proposition. I don't know how anyone could expect even average offensive production.
The Jets will just have to dink, dunk and run the excrement out of the ball and pray Gregg Williams can miracle some sort of defense this week to keep the score low.
I'm not going to blast Gase just because he's a dick. There is no indication he's running around pissing people off and shitting all over everything. This season restarts week 5. Hopefully. This week's scorecard is based solely on how many murder/death/kills we unleash on the Patriot roster.
Post by: insanity on September 19, 2019, 09:32:40 AM
If Adams tore his ACL in the 4th qrtr when we were down by 20 and out of the game people would be saying he should have been pulled from the game.
I do have a few Gase concerns which I will be keeping my eye on
1. Is he willing to fire his friends for better coaches when Dowell fails?
2. Will he devise different strategies that play to multiple players strengths?
3. Will he continue to outsmart himself during play-calling? It seems like he makes situations more confusing than they need to be
Post by: bojanglesman on September 19, 2019, 09:34:24 AM
This whole story is overblown.I refuse to believe Towel Logjam does anything more than slap guys on the derriere and serve Gase smelling salts. This is Gase's offense.
If Adams tore his ACL in the 4th qrtr when we were down by 20 and out of the game people would be saying he should have been pulled from the game.
I do have a few Gase concerns which I will be keeping my eye on
1. Is he willing to fire his friends for better coaches when Dowell fails?
2. Will he devise different strategies that play to multiple players strengths?
3. Will he continue to outsmart himself during play-calling? It seems like he makes situations more confusing than they need to be
Post by: Heismanberg on September 19, 2019, 09:55:37 AM
Nothing wrong with your QB coach acting in that role, but typically you’d like to see someone more objective to push Gase.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 19, 2019, 10:11:19 AM
Loggains is essentially an offensive analyst for Adam Gase.
Nothing wrong with your QB coach acting in that role, but typically you’d like to see someone more objective to push Gase.
While loggains doesn't excite anyone, how do we all know he's as shitty as he sounds? I mean Rex was heavily involved with our DC and Pettine has had a reasonable amount of success without him. Loggains does have 5 years OC experience and 4 years as a QB coach, but also has done nothing but ride coattails
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 19, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
While loggains doesn't excite anyone, how do we all know he's as shitty as he sounds? I mean Rex was heavily involved with our DC and Pettine has had a reasonable amount of success without him. Loggains does have 5 years OC experience and 4 years as a QB coach, but also has done nothing but ride coattailsWe don't. People just like to complain, and his name and face make him easy to rag on.
Loggains is Kacy Rodgers or Mike Pettine. The head coach runs the show, and he's there to work with the head coach.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 19, 2019, 12:27:49 PM
Trumaine Johnson wasn't performing. True statement. How good was the defense without him? Did it improve? Did it get worse when he finally got into the game?
Jamal Adams is the best player on the defense. Does he play with a fiery personality? Hell yes, and up until now, I was pretty sure everyone loved that about him. I don't want to hear hypotheticals like "What if he got hurt?" Last week's starting QB got hurt because the supposed offensive genius couldn't scheme some protection against Myles freaking Garret. I mean, whatevs. He only had 13.5 sacks last year.
I'll also note, and did at the time as well, Jamal Adams is very active on social media. He was silent for days after Gates' hiring. Nothing to see here, folks.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 19, 2019, 12:32:36 PM
I don't care anymore whether the coach is a douche or nice. Just win somehow. He's an idiot if he chases off Adams. They both want to win badly.
Post by: Badger on September 19, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
Glad to see most Jets fans still like overreacting.For the record I'm not calling for him to be fired yet. But he has very little slack with me since I didn't want him in the first place.
Look. I didn't like the Gase hire at first either, like many of you, but I want to give him a chance.
Did anyone seriously expect good offensive results with a backup QB? Not to mention, our line looks like complete dogsh*t.
Sam Darnold freakin played with mono against possibly the best defense in the NFL in week 1. He did sub-par, but at least he didn't blow chunks all over the field. He held his own given the circumstances.
And while we may be 0-2, the defense actually hasn't looked that bad. When Mosley is on the field we actually looked pretty good. The CBs, while a weakness, are looking somewhat serviceable. (OBJ making them look stupid aside) Our line and edge rushers still don't get consistent penetration, but that's nothing new. Jamal and Maye look like two studs on the back end.
But we're going to be 0-3. Accept it. This should have been obvious the moment Darnold was declared out with mono.
We can start to judge Gase if it all falls apart when we have our QB, Stud MLB, and 1st round draft pick on the field after a few games.
No need to call for his head at 0-2 under such circumstances.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 19, 2019, 02:00:57 PM
freak this guy.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 19, 2019, 03:13:38 PM
Yes, it's certainly overreacting that people who had specific reasons for not wanting Gase here, like pissing off players to the point they wanted out of town who later publicly celebrated his firing, are now worried that a pattern is already developing.
What pattern? Jamal taking the Jets out of his social media profiles? Unless more comes out about that or Jamal being angry, I don't think that's a big deal.
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Trumaine Johnson wasn't performing. True statement. How good was the defense without him? Did it improve? Did it get worse when he finally got into the game?
Nate Hairston was clearly better than Trumaine Johnson. I have no clue what your point is here.
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Jamal Adams is the best player on the defense. Does he play with a fiery personality? Hell yes, and up until now, I was pretty sure everyone loved that about him. I don't want to hear hypotheticals like "What if he got hurt?" Last week's starting QB got hurt because the supposed offensive genius couldn't scheme some protection against Myles freaking Garret. I mean, whatevs. He only had 13.5 sacks last year.Again, who cares if Jamal Adams tweets or doesn't tweet. If you want to read into it that he's unhappy, go ahead. We all love that Jamal is a fiery player. And you know what? He was probably fired up on Monday night after the game. Now that he's had a chance to cool down, it looks like he's back to being himself.
I'll also note, and did at the time as well, Jamal Adams is very active on social media. He was silent for days after Gates' hiring. Nothing to see here, folks.
I wasn't a huge Gase fan when he was hired, but I'm willing to give him most of the same slack I would give any first-year Jets coach, a little bit less since he's done this job before. The Bills and Browns were both better than the Jets last year, and both are probably better than the Jets this year, especially with an ill Darnold. Early returns are not good, but he's also been dealt an absolutely shitty hand.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 19, 2019, 03:43:11 PM
QB guru my derriere.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 20, 2019, 03:32:06 PM
What pattern? Jamal taking the Jets out of his social media profiles? Unless more comes out about that or Jamal being angry, I don't think that's a big deal.
No. The developing pattern is apparently pissing off players. Which Gase did in Miami.
Nate Hairston was clearly better than Trumaine Johnson. I have no clue what your point is here.
Again, who cares if Jamal Adams tweets or doesn't tweet. If you want to read into it that he's unhappy, go ahead. We all love that Jamal is a fiery player. And you know what? He was probably fired up on Monday night after the game. Now that he's had a chance to cool down, it looks like he's back to being himself.
Daryl Roberts is better than Trumaine Johnson? He must be, Roberts played ahead of Johnson, right?
I wasn't a huge Gase fan when he was hired, but I'm willing to give him most of the same slack I would give any first-year Jets coach, a little bit less since he's done this job before. The Bills and Browns were both better than the Jets last year, and both are probably better than the Jets this year, especially with an ill Darnold. Early returns are not good, but he's also been dealt an absolutely shitty hand.
You weren't a huge fan of the hire?
I hated the hire. He was literally the last person in the world of football I wanted coaching this team. He and Greg Williams were literally my nightmare scenario that I brought up mostly jokingly because I never in a million years would've believed it would happen. But Jets gonna Jets.
So no. I'm not willing to give him even an inch. As I've said before, I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong but so far he's done nothing to make feel I need to.
A lot of people around here wanted to give Mike Maccagnan time without Bowles to see what he could do too. That went well.
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Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2019, 03:40:03 PM
For the record I'm not calling for him to be fired yet. But he has very little slack with me since I didn't want him in the first place.
and this
I hated the hire. He was literally the last person in the world of football I wanted coaching this team. He and Greg Williams were literally my nightmare scenario that I brought up mostly jokingly because I never in a million years would've believed it would happen. But Jets gonna Jets.
So no. I'm not willing to give him even an inch. As I've said before, I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong but so far he's done nothing to make feel I need to.
Unlike Badger I would very much like him to be fired, but I don't think I'm quite as vehement on it as Alio. If nothing else, you can't really replace a head coach midway through the season. I do though think that we're wasting significant years of Sam's development having him coached by this guy; I think there's enough evidence to suggest that he owes a large chunk of his paycheck to Peyton Manning.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 20, 2019, 04:11:41 PM
I'm somewhere between this
and this
Unlike Badger I would very much like him to be fired, but I don't think I'm quite as vehement on it as Alio. If nothing else, you can't really replace a head coach midway through the season. I do though think that we're wasting significant years of Sam's development having him coached by this guy; I think there's enough evidence to suggest that he owes a large chunk of his paycheck to Peyton Manning.
Just FTR, I'm not advocating firing him now. There's no one on the staff I'd replace him with.
We have to wait out this season. What sucks is, what do you do then if he can't get his excrement together? 3 coaches in 3 years?
Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2019, 04:21:45 PM
Just FTR, I'm not advocating firing him now. There's no one on the staff I'd replace him with.
We have to wait out this season. What sucks is, what do you do then if he can't get his excrement together? 3 coaches in 3 years?
I definitely might be calling Mike McCarthy and seeing whether he's enjoying family time and if he's amenable to starting his reign early if we're 1-7. He's who we should have hired.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 20, 2019, 04:24:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2019, 04:38:01 PM
Unless the Jets play this way the entire year, Gase isn't getting fired this offseason.
We should really give him all of Sam Darnold’s developmental years to figure out if he’s a good coach or not. Just to be fair to Adam.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 20, 2019, 04:46:12 PM
We should really give him all of Sam Darnold’s developmental years to figure out if he’s a good coach or not. Just to be fair to Adam.He's going to help Darnold progress from Mono to full blown AIDS.
Post by: IATA on September 20, 2019, 05:31:41 PM
He's going to help Darnold progress from Mono to full blown AIDS.What a coincidence, Puck and Gase both moved from Miami to NY...
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 20, 2019, 07:07:23 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2019, 10:21:13 PM
I definitely might be calling Mike McCarthy and seeing whether he's enjoying family time and if he's amenable to starting his reign early if we're 1-7. He's who we should have hired.Why don't you think any team wanted him?
Post by: mj2sexay on September 20, 2019, 10:47:06 PM
I definitely might be calling Mike McCarthy and seeing whether he's enjoying family time and if he's amenable to starting his reign early if we're 1-7. He's who we should have hired.
Do you honestly believe a Mike McCarthy coached team brings forth a different result given the personnel on this team?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2019, 10:54:00 PM
I definitely might be calling Mike McCarthy and seeing whether he's enjoying family time and if he's amenable to starting his reign early if we're 1-7. He's who we should have hired.
We’ve already seen what Mike McCarthy can do with backup QBs
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 22, 2019, 06:18:36 AM
I definitely might be calling Mike McCarthy and seeing whether he's enjoying family time and if he's amenable to starting his reign early if we're 1-7. He's who we should have hired.
GTFO. If there was one coach worse than Gase it was him. No freaking way.
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2019, 09:08:23 AM
GTFO. If there was one coach worse than Gase it was him. No freaking way.
One of those two coaches has experience of taking a talented young QB and turning him into a star, or at the very least putting the things in place to enable that QB to fulfil his potential.
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2019, 07:17:21 PM
We currently have one offensive TD, the previous worst was 1976 with two.
Post by: Ornstein on September 22, 2019, 09:45:15 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 23, 2019, 08:27:02 AM
Sure, Sam is coming back...but that doesn't fix the oline. The offense looks like they just arrived for their first day of OTAs. And to make matters worse, Gase is calling out players (not by name thankfully) in the media.
I wanted to give him a chance, and i know he's been dealt a shitty hand with all these injuries...but this might be too much to overcome.
Obviously we're only 3 weeks in, plenty of time to turn it around. But it's hard to show a little faith here, given Gase's recent history with Miami.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 23, 2019, 08:38:21 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 23, 2019, 08:40:47 AM
Honest question. Is there a coach in the NFL right now who can do anything with this roster?
Define "do anything".
- Win a Super Bowl? No.
- Have them challenging for a wildcard? Probably not.
- Win at least one and possibly two of the last three games? I think so.
- Have the offense look like they're at least familiar with each other and working from the same playbook? Yes, probably most of them.
Post by: MBGreen on September 23, 2019, 08:45:26 AM
Honest question. Is there a coach in the NFL right now who can do anything with this roster?
No there isn't.
But i wouldn't put it past Christopher Johnson to make Geg Williams the interim HC if it's week 7 and we're still looking for our first win of the season.
Post by: IATA on September 23, 2019, 08:54:20 AM
i mean they clearly made a commitment to mediocrity when they let our old gm hire a new coach, let the new coach force out the old gm, and let the new coach hand pick his own gm, all after letting the old gm handle free agency and the draft.
we're fucked for a long time. buckle up, gase is here to stay for at least 3 or 4 years
Post by: MBGreen on September 23, 2019, 08:56:05 AM
i dont think theres a chance gase gets fired after this year
i mean they clearly made a commitment to mediocrity when they let our old gm hire a new coach, let the new coach force out the old gm, and let the new coach hand pick his own gm, all after letting the old gm handle free agency and the draft.
we're fucked for a long time. buckle up, gase is here to stay for at least 3 or 4 years
Duff didn't hire Gase. Christopher Johnson did (Peyton Manning sold him a bag of magic beans), and let Duff sit in the room during the interview because he brought the coffees.
This is a problem too. Johnson should be hiring GMs and executives, not HCs. He doesn't know excrement about football.
I'll never understand why they implement their chain of command the way they do...it's retarded
Post by: mj2sexay on September 23, 2019, 09:44:37 AM
i dont think theres a chance gase gets fired after this year
i mean they clearly made a commitment to mediocrity when they let our old gm hire a new coach, let the new coach force out the old gm, and let the new coach hand pick his own gm, all after letting the old gm handle free agency and the draft.
we're fucked for a long time. buckle up, gase is here to stay for at least 3 or 4 years
We are?
Say what you want about the chain of command and the backwards way in which it occurred because its' RIPE for criticism. That much is obvious.
But put me in the camp of Joe Douglas being a marked improvement over Mac just because the latter's record speaks for itself. We'll see what he can do with the benefit of an offseason next year.
Sure there's been some bad luck, but almost every single move from Mac looks like a freaking mess. The Osaleme deal, the Enunwa and Daryl Roberts contracts. Tru Johnson. The horror show that is his draft record from rounds 2-7.
I'll reserve judgment on passing on Josh Allan for Q, we don't know excrement yet about how thats going to turn out.
To answer the question posed above, there's not a single coach in the NFL with the exception of The Hoodie that can turn this chicken excrement into chicken salad. Gase gets judged the second he gets his quarterback back, not on the basis of having to run out LUKE FALK.
Post by: Johnny English on September 23, 2019, 10:25:22 AM
To answer the question posed above, there's not a single coach in the NFL with the exception of The Hoodie that can turn this chicken excrement into chicken salad. Gase gets judged the second he gets his quarterback back, not on the basis of having to run out LUKE FALK.
Does he? There are plenty of fans hoping that Sam stays out a bit longer, because they don't want to see the future of the club running for his life behind a shambolic OL coached by Gase's handpicked guy.
And let's not forget that LUKE FALK is one of Gase's guys, he had him in Miami and he brought him to the Jets. Falk knows the playbook and Gase knows Falk, and Gase's entire reputation is built upon his supposed ability coach quarterbacks, so I don't see why he gets a pass for the entire team sucking based upon his inability to do the one thing that he's supposedly above criticism for.
How is it that other teams can figure out how to win with the likes of Nick Mullens and Gardner Minshew and Matt Barkley, but we're supposed to immediately give our coach a complete pass when his preferred backup QB can't pass for 100 yards in 4 quarters?
Post by: MBGreen on September 23, 2019, 10:28:12 AM
How is it that other teams can figure out how to win with the likes of Nick Mullens and Gardner Minshew and Matt Barkley, but we're supposed to immediately give our coach a complete pass when his preferred backup QB can't pass for 100 yards in 4 quarters?
This is where i'm at.
I don't want to hear about injury excuses anymore either. All teams have injuries.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2019, 10:39:17 AM
IMO, our issues rank:
1) No Sam
2) bottom 5 OL
3) horrendous rest of the roster outside of a few players
4) bad coaching
I don’t like Gase and would be fine moving on at literally any point in time, but I don’t think coaching is the reason for why we are so bad at this point in the season. He’s not getting fired anytime soon, it would be idiotic to hire a coach with the idea of developing a potential franchise QB and then fire him without giving him an actual shot with said QB. Gase just got the last GM fired and changed the course of our franchises future. I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
I don’t think Joe Douglas would be too happy about Gase getting the quick hook if he’s truly in his corner. You have to think he agreed to come here with the understanding that Gase would be his coach for the foreseeable future.
Post by: MBGreen on September 23, 2019, 10:51:10 AM
I want Gase fired, as I never wanted him hired, but he isn’t the biggest problem with our team right now.
IMO, our issues rank:
1) No Sam
2) bottom 5 OL
3) horrendous rest of the roster outside of a few players
4) bad coaching
I don’t like Gase and would be fine moving on at literally any point in time, but I don’t think coaching is the reason for why we are so bad at this point in the season. He’s not getting fired anytime soon, it would be idiotic to hire a coach with the idea of developing a potential franchise QB and then fire him without giving him an actual shot with said QB. Gase just got the last GM fired and changed the course of our franchises future. I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
I don’t think Joe Douglas would be too happy about Gase getting the quick hook if he’s truly in his corner. You have to think he agreed to come here with the understanding that Gase would be his coach for the foreseeable future.
would you feel the same way if we're sitting at 0-10 in week 11?
I get that our oline stinks, and we're trotting out a 3rd string QB....but that's the worst offense i've seen since Kotite.
Even with Sam coming back, I'm not sure he's gonna make a huge difference on his own. Not with that trash oline and garbage playcalling.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2019, 10:55:29 AM
would you feel the same way if we're sitting at 0-10 in week 11?
I get that our oline stinks, and we're trotting out a 3rd string QB....but that's the worst offense i've seen since Kotite.
Even with Sam coming back, I'm not sure he's gonna make a huge difference on his own. Not with that trash oline and garbage playcalling.
Yes, I will feel the same way. I don’t want him here but don’t think he’s going anywhere.
Spoiler alert: with a roster this bad, you will feel the same way about the next coach. I think you can recall that I said that about Todd Bowles and I said that before the Gase hire.
Post by: MBGreen on September 23, 2019, 10:59:16 AM
Yes, I will feel the same way. I don’t want him here but don’t think he’s going anywhere.
Spoiler alert: with a roster this bad, you will feel the same way about the next coach. I think you can recall that I said that about Todd Bowles and I said that before the Gase hire.
The thing that hurts is that Rex Ryan's drafting set us back years, and then Duff was supposed to alleviate that but it turned out that he set us back even further.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2019, 11:09:29 AM
The thing that hurts is that Rex Ryan's drafting set us back years, and then Duff was supposed to alleviate that but it turned out that he set us back even further.
Damn, no shout out to Idzik
Post by: MBGreen on September 23, 2019, 11:12:44 AM
Damn, no shout out to Idzik
It's forbidden to speak that name around these parts.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 23, 2019, 11:44:32 AM
....but that's the worst offense i've seen since Kotite.
Even with Sam coming back, I'm not sure he's gonna make a huge difference on his own. Not with that trash oline and garbage playcalling.
We even have Kotite style uniforms back, it's like this whole season is a tribute to 1995.
The more I watch this O line play, the more I'm ok with Sam being out as long as possible. Concerning he's missed a lot of time already in his short time here, but if he comes back he's likely to miss more.
Post by: MBGreen on September 23, 2019, 11:46:19 AM
We even have Kotite style uniforms back, it's like this whole season is a tribute to 1995.
Ugh, the uniforms didn't even cross my mind.
Post by: IATA on September 23, 2019, 11:46:40 AM
Ridiculous
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Post by: Italian Seafood on September 23, 2019, 11:57:07 AM
Ugh, the uniforms didn't even cross my mind.
Yesterday was my first full-on Kotite flashback. We didn't have black unis back in the day and Week 1 looked good for the first 3-1/2 quarters.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 23, 2019, 11:49:11 PM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on September 24, 2019, 07:34:07 AM
would you feel the same way if we're sitting at 0-10 in week 11?
I get that our oline stinks, and we're trotting out a 3rd string QB....but that's the worst offense i've seen since Kotite.
Even with Sam coming back, I'm not sure he's gonna make a huge difference on his own. Not with that trash oline and garbage playcalling.
It requires quite some mental gymnastics to extrapolate an 0-3 record into an 0-10 record. I didn't like the Gase hire either and it's not like our current situation has made my view on him any better, but talking about canning him after a year in week 3-4 is a bit premature.
I get that every team has injuries, but when an injury bug hits multiple key players and the depth of the team is already non-existent, we get the excrement show we're in. That's more on Maccagnan and the shitty drafting this team has done.
Honestly, the last solid draft this team had was something like 06 or 07.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 24, 2019, 08:24:50 AM
It requires quite some mental gymnastics to extrapolate an 0-3 record into an 0-10 record. I didn't like the Gase hire either and it's not like our current situation has made my view on him any better, but talking about canning him after a year in week 3-4 is a bit premature.
I get that every team has injuries, but when an injury bug hits multiple key players and the depth of the team is already non-existent, we get the excrement show we're in. That's more on Maccagnan and the shitty drafting this team has done.
Honestly, the last solid draft this team had was something like 06 or 07.
This.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2019, 08:34:09 AM
It requires quite some mental gymnastics to extrapolate an 0-3 record into an 0-10 record. I didn't like the Gase hire either and it's not like our current situation has made my view on him any better, but talking about canning him after a year in week 3-4 is a bit premature.
I get that every team has injuries, but when an injury bug hits multiple key players and the depth of the team is already non-existent, we get the excrement show we're in. That's more on Maccagnan and the shitty drafting this team has done.
Honestly, the last solid draft this team had was something like 06 or 07.
Well, you raise some valid points.
But you need to score points in this league to win...and we have 1 offensive TD in 3 games. That's not going to cut the mustard.
Gase has professional football players on this roster, he's not marching the Glasgow Diamonds onto the field.
He needs to gameplan better, he needs to call smarter plays, he needs to be innovative. He basically needs to show everyone why he was hired in the first place.
Right now, he's not doing any of that.
Post by: reuben on September 24, 2019, 08:51:11 AM
It requires quite some mental gymnastics to extrapolate an 0-3 record into an 0-10 record. I didn't like the Gase hire either and it's not like our current situation has made my view on him any better, but talking about canning him after a year in week 3-4 is a bit premature.
It only feels premature because of how unlikely it is for a coach to fully demonstrate his gross incompetence within three weeks. But in actuality, it hasn't been three weeks; it's been three years and three weeks. Go take a look at Finheaven. Everything we're seeing from Gase - unimaginative playcalling, hyperconservatism, inability to function through injuries, failure to gameplan against the opponents' strengths, alienation of players - it was all there in Miami before he even took Chris Johnson's phone call.
He's the Christian Hackenberg of head coach hires. We should have known better and we didn't.
Post by: IATA on September 24, 2019, 08:53:16 AM
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Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2019, 09:01:47 AM
It only feels premature because of how unlikely it is for a coach to fully demonstrate his gross incompetence within three weeks. But in actuality, it hasn't been three weeks; it's been three years and three weeks. Go take a look at Finheaven. Everything we're seeing from Gase - unimaginative playcalling, hyperconservatism, inability to function through injuries, failure to gameplan against the opponents' strengths, alienation of players - it was all there in Miami before he even took Chris Johnson's phone call.
He's the Christian Hackenberg of head coach hires. We should have known better and we didn't.
This was my biggest fear when we hired him. I wanted to believe that he could learn from his mistakes in Miami, but the reality is he wasn't given enough time to reflect on what a POS job he did....in between gigs.
We essentially did what the Bills did after we fired Rex, and they hired him immediately.
I just hope he doesn't destroy Sam's development.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 24, 2019, 09:54:43 AM
It only feels premature because of how unlikely it is for a coach to fully demonstrate his gross incompetence within three weeks. But in actuality, it hasn't been three weeks; it's been three years and three weeks. Go take a look at Finheaven. Everything we're seeing from Gase - unimaginative playcalling, hyperconservatism, inability to function through injuries, failure to gameplan against the opponents' strengths, alienation of players - it was all there in Miami before he even took Chris Johnson's phone call.
He's the Christian Hackenberg of head coach hires. We should have known better and we didn't.
Hey if FinHaven says it!
This was my biggest fear when we hired him. I wanted to believe that he could learn from his mistakes in Miami, but the reality is he wasn't given enough time to reflect on what a POS job he did....in between gigs.
We essentially did what the Bills did after we fired Rex, and they hired him immediately.
I just hope he doesn't destroy Sam's development.
Except he didn't do a bad job in Miami. Show me the team under his watch that underachieved. There's not one team he coached there that had a roster that didn't play up or down to its level.
That team that went 7-9 last year was freaking garbage.
Post by: reuben on September 24, 2019, 10:25:08 AM
Except he didn't do a bad job in Miami. Show me the team under his watch that underachieved. There's not one team he coached there that had a roster that didn't play up or down to its level.
That team that went 7-9 last year was freaking garbage.
Right. If only Adam Gase had a talented roster, he wouldn't field the worst offenses in the league. By all means hang your hat on that.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2019, 10:26:34 AM
Except he didn't do a bad job in Miami. Show me the team under his watch that underachieved. There's not one team he coached there that had a roster that didn't play up or down to its level.
That team that went 7-9 last year was freaking garbage.
He didn't do a bad job? He hasn't won a game since last November. And the Phins offense was ranked 2nd last in 2018.
I was fine with giving him a chance, and i'll grant you that it's still a little early...but the signs are pointing to excrement. There was zero compete from that offense on Sunday, and the oline is playing like 5 total strangers who just met. He also has a hard time being accountable, i freaking hate that.
I think Peyton Manning sold Christopher Johnson a bag of magic beans.
Post by: reuben on September 24, 2019, 10:48:35 AM
He didn't do a bad job? He hasn't won a game since last November. And the Phins offense was ranked 2nd last in 2018.
I was fine with giving him a chance, and i'll grant you that it's still a little early...but the signs are pointing to excrement. There was zero compete from that offense on Sunday, and the oline is playing like 5 total strangers who just met. He also has a hard time being accountable, i freaking hate that.
I think Peyton Manning sold Christopher Johnson a bag of magic beans.
At some point in the season, he'll be asked about offensive line communication, and he'll reply that he can't make it any easier. Watch.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2019, 10:56:45 AM
The Jets are 0-3 against two 3-0 teams. And our offense has done dogshit with one of the worst OL in the league, a starting QB playing with freaking mono one game, and a 3rd string QB coming in right off the freaking practice squad for the other 2.
Its been horrible to watch but there's an obscene amount of things wrong in the above scenario.
If the Jets offense looks anything like it does above against the jags giants dolphins Raiders then seriously go get out your pitchforks and torches and run Gase out of town. But the current situation has essentially been a perfect storm nightmare of our most talented wideout being injured, our best TE being suspended, our OL being AIDS, our QB's being a medical ward, and this board being a bunch of faggots
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2019, 11:02:45 AM
Post by: IATA on September 24, 2019, 11:12:53 AM
https://streamable.com/ww5ul
Post by: reuben on September 24, 2019, 11:18:00 AM
one of the worst OL in the league
We still have basically the same offensive line that was good enough to keep us in games down the stretch last year. It turns out Spencer Long and Jeremy Bates were the glue, I guess.
Post by: reuben on September 24, 2019, 11:19:40 AM
stole it off reddit
https://streamable.com/ww5ul
hahahaha
Post by: Pope on September 24, 2019, 11:34:37 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2019, 11:37:40 AM
We still have basically the same offensive line that was good enough to keep us in games down the stretch last year. It turns out Spencer Long and Jeremy Bates were the glue, I guess.
Maybe having an offense gel together they improve, vs bringing in a last minute center and QB off the street?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 24, 2019, 11:38:16 AM
What’s the scariest in all of this for me is if this season plays out the way we’re anticipating, our potential franchise QB will be staring down the barrel of 3 HCs, 3 OCs, and 3 shitty OL in his first 3 years. No way the Jets can retain Gase if the offense is this putrid towards the end of the season
One could only hope.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 24, 2019, 11:50:51 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2019, 12:26:32 PM
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2019, 01:52:35 PM
Maybe having an offense gel together they improve, vs bringing in a last minute center and QB off the street?Of all the times we hoped it would happen over the course of a season, did it ever pan out?
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2019, 02:22:13 PM
Of all the times we hoped it would happen over the course of a season, did it ever pan out?
I literally was responding to a post about how much better they looked the last 4 games of last year
And optimally this would be a more extreme example as our center was pulled out of retirement for about an hour before this season started.
So he probably won't even be in game shape until the second half of this season if ever
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 24, 2019, 03:20:09 PM
At some point, no matter the roster, you have to blame the supposed offensive genius for not scheming so much as an extra tight end to block for your QBs that have no time to throw or to keep Bell alive.
I'm not asking for wins. I'm asking for it to look like an actual NFL team is on the field.
Post by: reuben on September 24, 2019, 04:00:56 PM
I'm not asking for wins. I'm asking for it to look like an actual NFL team is on the field.
Exactly. Nobody was expecting Semien or Falk to win games for us. Nobody should have been expecting multiple trips to the red zone, let alone coming away with points in said trips.
But we can't even get past the 50. It's absurd.
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Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2019, 04:08:07 PM
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsoff/2019
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 24, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
- The offensive line is a trainwreck. As others have said, it wasn't THIS bad last year. Did everyone just get old all of a sudden? That's possible. Is it just an undertalented OL that had no time to practice together? That's also possible. But it also could just be terrible scheming, and some of the plays seem that way.
- Giving up against the Patriots. I know we hadn't moved the ball all day and we had about a 0.001% chance to tie the game. But never punt the ball down 2 scores with 3 minutes left. There's never a reason to wave the white flag there.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 24, 2019, 04:51:22 PM
We are the worst ranked team in the league for 3 and outs per drive. We are worse even than Miami, who have played even better defenses than us (Baltimore, New England and Dallas).
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsoff/2019
But Manning had a career year with Gase's "system"!
This dude is a complete assclown and can't wait until he's gone.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2019, 07:09:39 PM
This board is starting to feel exactly like the Mike Maccagnan thing. When will enough be enough? Admittedly, I did the same thing with Rex, giving him way too much rope, but come on.
At some point, no matter the roster, you have to blame the supposed offensive genius for not scheming so much as an extra tight end to block for your QBs that have no time to throw or to keep Bell alive.
I'm not asking for wins. I'm asking for it to look like an actual NFL team is on the field.
It's 3 weeks, against 2 top 5 and one 10 ten defense, with the only starting QB in the NFL who doesn't belong on an NFL roster, even as a backup
I think it's unreasonable to want to fire a HC after one season. To talk about it after 3 freaking weeks with literally the worst starting QB in the league by a huge margin is absolute derangement
Post by: IATA on September 24, 2019, 08:12:48 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2019, 08:21:25 PM
If hes so terrible, why has gase brought him along from Miami? Is his judgement that bad?
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He was on the practice squad, our backup QB went on injured reserve. We lost 2 QB's for an extended period of time during the season in under a week
Finding a QB avaliable week 2 who knows the playbook means options are extremely limited
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 24, 2019, 08:36:23 PM
I think it's unreasonable to want to fire a HC after one season. To talk about it after 3 freaking weeks with literally the worst starting QB in the league by a huge margin is absolute derangementWhat else would you expect from Jets fans?
I actually don't think it's unreasonable to fire a head coach after one season if there is enough evidence he is terrible. If the rest of the season is like this, I might join that bandwagon.
But 3 games? When your entire team is hurt? Absurd.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2019, 08:39:35 PM
What else would you expect from Jets fans?
I actually don't think it's unreasonable to fire a head coach after one season if there is enough evidence he is terrible. If the rest of the season is like this, I might join that bandwagon.
But 3 games? When your entire team is hurt? Absurd.
Our franchise QB is out. Our best defensive player is out. Our top three overall draft pick is out. Our best pass catcher is out.
Lets see what Gase can do with all of his pieces against comparable teams.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2019, 08:41:45 PM
What else would you expect from Jets fans?
I actually don't think it's unreasonable to fire a head coach after one season if there is enough evidence he is terrible. If the rest of the season is like this, I might join that bandwagon.
But 3 games? When your entire team is hurt? Absurd.
It's happened 10 times since 2000. It's exceptionally rare
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2019, 09:34:28 PM
One could only hope.
If the offense remains this awful, then we will be staring at 1-15 with our only win an accidental touchdown against the Dolphins.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 25, 2019, 02:41:12 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 25, 2019, 02:49:41 PM
Some of the takes on this thread belong on a certain other Jets message board for how excrement they are.
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?
Post by: MBGreen on September 25, 2019, 02:53:56 PM
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?Don’t mind MJ, he’s just salty because his orange overlord is about to be impeached.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 25, 2019, 03:07:01 PM
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?
The defense looks better. And we only have one int in 3 games mostly with a 3rd string QB. Darnolds QB rating is 8 points higher than it was last year. #OffensiveMinded
Post by: bojanglesman on September 25, 2019, 03:07:37 PM
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?Punting volume. Less wasted timeouts. Music playlist at practice?
Post by: dcm1602 on September 25, 2019, 03:34:49 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 25, 2019, 03:36:48 PM
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?We've only lost 3 games this season. Jets haven't had a season losing 3 or fewer games since 1982.
Coach of the Year.
Post by: Johnny English on September 25, 2019, 03:48:01 PM
The defense looks better.
It really freaking doesn't.
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And we only have one int in 3 games mostly with a 3rd string QB.
Can't get picked off if you don't throw the ball in the first place.
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Darnolds QB rating is 8 points higher than it was last year. #OffensiveMinded
That's an incredibly small sample size, compared with most of a season that included some fairly tough rookie experiences for him. It would be a surprise if it didn't improve just by virtue of him having a season under his belt.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 25, 2019, 03:49:07 PM
It really freaking doesn't.Weren't you trying to be positive? Jeez.
Can't get picked off if you don't throw the ball in the first place.
That's an incredibly small sample size, compared with most of a season that included some fairly tough rookie experiences for him. It would be a surprise if it didn't improve just by virtue of him having a season under his belt.
Post by: Johnny English on September 25, 2019, 03:51:20 PM
Weren't you trying to be positive? Jeez.
I will grant you that on early showings our ball security has been much improved, which is surprising given how much pressure the ball carrier has been under on virtually every single play.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 25, 2019, 04:23:17 PM
It really freaking doesn't.
Can't get picked off if you don't throw the ball in the first place.
That's an incredibly small sample size, compared with most of a season that included some fairly tough rookie experiences for him. It would be a surprise if it didn't improve just by virtue of him having a season under his belt.
An incredibly small sample size like judging a HC by a team's performance through 3 games with a 3rd string QB?
You don't say
Post by: Johnny English on September 25, 2019, 04:28:30 PM
An incredibly small sample size like judging a HC by a team's performance through 3 games with a 3rd string QB?
You don't say
I don't think that three and a quarter seasons is a small sample size.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 25, 2019, 04:41:00 PM
I don't think that three and a quarter seasons is a small sample size.Gase was our coach the last 3 seasons? Man, you learn something new every day on this board.
I don't think we can gauge Gase based on his Dolphins career. That's irrelevant. It can shorten the leash a little, sure, but not 3 games.
Plus, the Dolphins overachieved based on their Vegas win total in 2 of his 3 years. The one year they didn't, he lost Ryan Tannehill before the season started and had a QB come out of retirement (and still only went under by 1 game). The Dolphins were devoid of talent the last few years. That's why as soon as they got rid of Gase, they completely blew it up, and now they might win 0-2 games. I'm not saying he did a great job in Miami, but the idea that he's a terrible coach because of what he did in Miami is inaccurate.
Post by: Johnny English on September 25, 2019, 04:47:06 PM
Gase was our coach the last 3 seasons? Man, you learn something new every day on this board.
If prior coaching history is no indication of a coach's ability, why don't they hire you or me? For all they know one of us could be the next Lombardi.
Edit to respond to your edit: I might semi-agree with you if we weren't already seeing the same problems he had in Miami manifesting here. He might be a great designer of plays, but he isn't a playcaller and he isn't a leader of men and he apparently isn't any good at selecting coaches who can communicate his plays to the people who have to execute them.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 25, 2019, 05:16:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 25, 2019, 05:51:25 PM
If prior coaching history is no indication of a coach's ability, why don't they hire you or me? For all they know one of us could be the next Lombardi.
Edit to respond to your edit: I might semi-agree with you if we weren't already seeing the same problems he had in Miami manifesting here. He might be a great designer of plays, but he isn't a playcaller and he isn't a leader of men and he apparently isn't any good at selecting coaches who can communicate his plays to the people who have to execute them.
His prior coaching record is what got him hired. It's irrelevant to whether we keep him
Post by: Johnny English on September 25, 2019, 05:53:48 PM
His prior coaching record is what got him hired.
If that's true then we're really fucked.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 26, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
OK, let's get some positivity going on. Can you tell me something that you've seen so far with Gase in charge that looks like it has improved from last season?
The only sample size I can go on is the Buffalo game. Show me any coach in the NFL that can work around losing the Quarterback, #2 receiver, all-world MLB and top 5 pick.
The evaluation re-starts the second they take the field against Philly.
This continued idea that he isn't a leader of men based off of his experience in Miami when a lot of that has either been debunked (Gore never said anything despite peoples assertions to the contrary) or coming from absolute loser players who's opinion should mean less than nothing is so weird to me.
Don’t mind MJ, he’s just salty because his orange overlord is about to be impeached.
LMAO good luck with that!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2019, 10:53:34 AM
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Gase said they will start doing more plays in practice to try to fix the offense. #nyj
Genius
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2019, 11:08:47 AM
Genius
Good thing we hired an offensive mind. Just in time.
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2019, 11:16:30 AM
Genius
Hahaha, that's amazing.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 02, 2019, 11:53:39 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2019, 12:33:57 PM
Worth a shot? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191002/33be19f0433281c4b6863ee8f99ea7be.gif)
That Indians logo remains one of the greatest things ever.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 02, 2019, 02:50:08 PM
Genius
JFC
All fixed guys!
Post by: Coach K on October 03, 2019, 06:11:07 PM
years about fixing the interior OL and were told Guards arent important. I think someone posted the OL draft history since 2010 and it proves to be downright depressing.
its a horrible mix of guys not executing when the calls are solid and gase going into a shell otherwise.
a past his prime Beachum might be the best OL on this team and that scares me.
missing our no.3 overall pick, savior of the franchise QB, backbone to the Defense , our starting TE and our No2 WR. all thats left is the display of how much depth we truly lack.
Hairston came in and outplayed Trumaine Johnson. lol
i really do know some of you are fuming because this reads as a Gase apologist post, but i mean take a serious look at the roster and take into account the injuries, best case scenario we are 1-2 opposed to 0-3.
thats not to deny some of the conservative calls and questionable blitz pickup deisgns, but i really do see a lack of execution as well.
im also not of the school of thought that we should be sitting sam darnold and declaring this season over ASAP. this kid needs his experience and if hes medically cleared to play this kid needs to get all the experience he can.
i know its absurd to think we will be talking about how to utilize our impending top 10 pick by early Dec barring a miracle run. opposed to trying to calculate tiebreakers as most of us anticipated, but this is nothing new.
i need to see a healthy jets team with their starting QB before i start condemning this coaching staff.
the only good take away from this season is Bell is playing some of his best football but our OL doesnt show it. that and Gregg Williams has this D overachieving. now only if the offense didnt exist in a perpetual state of 3 and outs maybe that would mean something
TLDR
this roster is mediocre on offense outside of RB and the plethora of injuries make it hard for me to call Gase a failure 3 damn games in.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 02:44:52 PM
Hopefully this puts some life in the offense, or at least if the GM wants to fire Gase at some point, he can easily have Greg Williams step in as interim HC and still have someone to run the offense
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2019, 02:49:13 PM
I don't think there's much any coach could have done with this offenses situation, and if the second half of the season looks like this then surely you consider replacing Gase. But I think the top priority this offseason has to be getting a new offensive coordinator.I really don't understand this post at all.
Hopefully this puts some life in the offense, or at least if the GM wants to fire Gase at some point, he can easily have Greg Williams step in as interim HC and still have someone to run the offense
If you think coaching is the problem with the offense, then blame Gase, fire him, and let's move on. Firing Loggains does absolutely nothing. This is Gase's offense, not Loggains'.
After your first sentence, I though the next sentence was certainly going to say "...the top priority this offseason has to be getting a new offensive line."
What exactly is firing Loggains supposed to do?
Post by: bojanglesman on October 06, 2019, 02:50:29 PM
We are going to waste Darnold's cheap contract years building a team from scratch.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2019, 02:52:48 PM
No idea what to do anymore. The Jets need an entire offensive line, 2 corners, and a pass rusher. It's hard to find a good one of any of those.I was thinking the other day wondering if we would have been better off if Cousins had signed with us for the contract he got in Minnesota. It would give us 3 years to draft an infrastructure before we got our franchise QB. Of course, that assumes you can find that franchise QB, which is easier said than done. Granted, we don't know for sure if Darnold is that guy yet.
We are going to waste Darnold's cheap contract years building a team from scratch.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 03:01:27 PM
I really don't understand this post at all.
If you think coaching is the problem with the offense, then blame Gase, fire him, and let's move on. Firing Loggains does absolutely nothing. This is Gase's offense, not Loggains'.
After your first sentence, I though the next sentence was certainly going to say "...the top priority this offseason has to be getting a new offensive line."
What exactly is firing Loggains supposed to do?
Gase has too much on his plate. I realize that some of the most successful coaches in the league call plays on one side of the ball, but Gase isn't in the same league as Andy Reid or BB.
Have someone competent who can run the offense on their own, and have Gase compliment them. Gase isn't good enoguh to be both a coach and a coordinator. There's a reason why teams have coordinators, and it's not so that the HC can do their job for them
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 06, 2019, 03:04:26 PM
Gase has too much on his plate. I realize that some of the most successful coaches in the league call plays on one side of the ball, but Gase isn't in the same league as Andy Reid or BB.
Have someone competent who can run the offense on their own, and have Gase compliment them. Gase isn't good enoguh to be both a coach and a coordinator. There's a reason why teams have coordinators, and it's not so that the HC can do their job for them
Such a bad post
Post by: reuben on October 06, 2019, 03:05:57 PM
Such a bad post
hahaha
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 03:07:11 PM
Such a bad post
Probably
But at the end of the day I find it extremely unlikely that Douglas would replace his friend that hired him after one season.
So the next best thing I can hope for is that we at least replace our OC with a real OC. And at least put pressure on Gase
Post by: Heismanberg on October 06, 2019, 03:07:34 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
Gase has too much on his plate. I realize that some of the most successful coaches in the league call plays on one side of the ball, but Gase isn't in the same league as Andy Reid or BB.A lot of teams do it this way. Gase is the head coach primarily for how you think he will run the offense. If you don't think he can run a competent offense, then just get rid of him. Why scapegoat others?
Have someone competent who can run the offense on their own, and have Gase compliment them. Gase isn't good enoguh to be both a coach and a coordinator. There's a reason why teams have coordinators, and it's not so that the HC can do their job for them
I still think it's too early to make any conclusions about Gase's long-term viability here. Early returns are absolute garbage, but it's still only 4 games, and as I mentioned in the game thread, I don't think most of our problems can be schemed out of.
But it makes no sense to fire the OC just for the sake of scapegoating someone. You either believe in Gase or you don't if you're Chris Johnson/Joe Douglas.
Post by: Johnny English on October 06, 2019, 03:09:15 PM
But at the end of the day I find it extremely unlikely that Douglas would replace his friend that hired him after one season.
Not Douglas's decision.
Post by: reuben on October 06, 2019, 03:11:43 PM
Not Douglas's decision.
Yeah, it's Chris's, the guy who just this summer had an epiphany that he needs to pay attention to the team he's micromanaging.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 03:12:02 PM
A lot of teams do it this way. Gase is the head coach primarily for how you think he will run the offense. If you don't think he can run a competent offense, then just get rid of him. Why scapegoat others?
I still think it's too early to make any conclusions about Gase's long-term viability here. Early returns are absolute garbage, but it's still only 4 games, and as I mentioned in the game thread, I don't think most of our problems can be schemed out of.
But it makes no sense to fire the OC just for the sake of scapegoating someone. You either believe in Gase or you don't if you're Chris Johnson/Joe Douglas.
Well they both clearly believe in him. Johnson let him pick the GM basically and Douglas got essentially hired by him.
I'm just hoping they wanna put some pressure on him and hopefully do something a about the offense
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 03:41:18 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 03:43:37 PM
i just watched the Gase postgame presser. He kept saying that he has to fix the offense. What the freak were you doing for the last 2 weeks?
Fixing Darnold
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 03:43:43 PM
Gase has too much on his plate. I realize that some of the most successful coaches in the league call plays on one side of the ball, but Gase isn't in the same league as Andy Reid or BB.
Have someone competent who can run the offense on their own, and have Gase compliment them. Gase isn't good enoguh to be both a coach and a coordinator. There's a reason why teams have coordinators, and it's not so that the HC can do their job for them
Our season is essentially over. Gase won't get a free pass, unless the Johnsons want the stadium filled with crickets next season.
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 03:44:28 PM
Fixing Darnold
it was a rhetorical question
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 03:51:16 PM
Our season is essentially over. Gase won't get a free pass, unless the Johnsons want the stadium filled with crickets next season.
He won't get a free pass but there's literally no way we're as bad the second 8 games as we were the first 8.
So the team improved as the season went and Darnold got healthy so Gase did a good job is going to be the narrative. Or something akin to that. We all know that's going to be the case and Gase will be here next season, it would take a cataclysmic implosion for Gase to get fired
Post by: reuben on October 06, 2019, 03:51:23 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 03:55:27 PM
He won't get a free pass but there's literally no way we're as bad the second 8 games as we were the first 8.
So the team improved as the season went and Darnold got healthy so Gase did a good job is going to be the narrative. Or something akin to that. We all know that's going to be the case and Gase will be here next season, it would take a cataclysmic implosion for Gase to get fired
These are Gase's last 7 games as a HC
- Loss: 41-17 to Minnesota
Loss: 17-7 to Jacksonville
Loss: 42-17 to Buffalo
Loss: 17-16 to Buffalo
Loss: 23-3 to Cleveland
Loss: 30-14 to New England
Loss: 31-6 to Philadelphia
Darnold coming back isn't going to move the needle.
Christopher Johnson made a huge mistake hiring this turd. Now he has to fix this mistake before we lose another 4 seasons.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 04:04:04 PM
These are Gase's last 7 games as a HC
- Loss: 41-17 to Minnesota
Loss: 17-7 to Jacksonville
Loss: 42-17 to Buffalo
Loss: 17-16 to Buffalo
Loss: 23-3 to Cleveland
Loss: 30-14 to New England
Loss: 31-6 to Philadelphia
Darnold coming back isn't going to move the needle.
Christopher Johnson made a huge mistake hiring this turd. Now he has to fix this mistake before we lose another 4 seasons.
The back end of our season is dolphins x2, redskins, Jaguars, giants. Bills, steelers, ravens,Bengals Raiders.
Almost every single one of them is absolutely horrible. (as are we)
If Darnold is healthy we should see an extraordinary improvement and it will 100% be used as an excuse that Gase is doing his job well
Post by: Johnny English on October 06, 2019, 04:07:09 PM
dolphins x2, redskins, Jaguars, giants. Bills, steelers, ravens,Bengals Raiders.
Almost every single one of them is absolutely horrible.
I have to ask: do you actually watch other teams?
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 04:10:36 PM
I have to ask: do you actually watch other teams?
I exaggerate everything
OK the ravens actually look pretty good. The Raiders I haven't watched at all I'm just assuming. The Steelers I don't have faith in unless they're at home. And we should've beat the freaking Bills.
I don't expect the Jets to end the season 7-1 or something, but that's an extremely soft schedule. It would be absolutely impossible for this team to not improve significantly unless everyone is given up by then
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 04:16:19 PM
The back end of our season is dolphins x2, redskins, Jaguars, giants. Bills, steelers, ravens,Bengals Raiders.
Almost every single one of them is absolutely horrible. (as are we)
If Darnold is healthy we should see an extraordinary improvement and it will 100% be used as an excuse that Gase is doing his job well
Darnold coming back isn't going to fix our oline issues. He's going to be running for his life.
I have to ask: do you actually watch other teams?
I don't think dcm is actually watching the jets games, let alone any other teams.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 04:20:45 PM
Darnold coming back isn't going to fix our oline issues. He's going to be running for his life.
I don't think dcm is actually watching the jets games, let alone any other teams.
The team is excrement I'm not pretending we're not.
I'm suggesting that the last 8 teams we play are full of shitty freaking teams. The Redskins giants and dolphins are comparable to us in impotence.
And Darnold is a dramatic upgrade on some freaking scrub from the practice squad.
I'm not suggesting by any mean were going to be a good team or have a winning record.
But the odds of the Jets improving if not improving significantly has to be very significant. And it could absolutely give team leadership an excuse to defend Gase
Post by: Libero_2 on October 06, 2019, 04:21:28 PM
I exaggerate everything
OK the ravens actually look pretty good. The Raiders I haven't watched at all I'm just assuming. The Steelers I don't have faith in unless they're at home. And we should've beat the freaking Bills.
I don't expect the Jets to end the season 7-1 or something, but that's an extremely soft schedule. It would be absolutely impossible for this team to not improve significantly unless everyone is given up by then
There’s a real chance that can happen if we are 1-7 or 0-8 going into the back stretch.
And frankly if Darnold is the only chance we have of looking competent, we are in a world of trouble after giving up 10 sacks today. Yes Sam can play well enough to cut that down by half. But if he’s getting hit 10 times a game, it increases the odds he misses more time. If he misses the right games, we can certainly be looking at a 2-14 season where the whole team stops giving a freak and turns on each other and the staff.
I’m not rooting for it by any stretch, but I damn sure can see a scenario where it happens
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 04:24:30 PM
The team is excrement I'm not pretending we're not.The skins, dolphins and Giants can all put up points...we can’t even sustain drives.
I'm suggesting that the last 8 teams we play are full of shitty freaking teams. The Redskins giants and dolphins are comparable to us in impotence.
And Darnold is a dramatic upgrade on some freaking scrub from the practice squad.
I'm not suggesting by any mean were going to be a good team or have a winning record.
But the odds of the Jets improving if not improving significantly has to be very significant. And it could absolutely give team leadership an excuse to defend Gase
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 04:28:55 PM
The skins, dolphins and Giants can all put up points...we can’t even sustain drives.
We have 50% more points than the Dolphins this season with a QB from our practice squad starting
That said we're miles away from the 3rd lowest scoring team
Post by: reuben on October 06, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
Christopher Johnson made a huge mistake hiring this turd. Now he has to fix this mistake before we lose another 4 seasons.
Gase strikes me as a guy who's good at pre-defending his own failure. "See Chris? I told you we needed Matt Paradis."
Post by: reuben on October 06, 2019, 04:31:22 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
We have 50% more points than the Dolphins this season with a QB from our practice squad startingYou’re not grasping the point.
That said we're miles away from the 3rd lowest scoring team
That “soft” schedule doesn’t look so soft now. Not with this offence.
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 04:33:19 PM
Gase strikes me as a guy who's good at pre-defending his own failure. "See Chris? I told you we needed Matt Paradis."He’s gonna lose the locker room in record time
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 04:34:50 PM
You’re not grasping the point.
That “soft” schedule doesn’t look so soft now. Not with this offence.
You're not getting my point everything is relative.
If this team gets more talent (having Darnold over some bum) and the opponents have less talent, it will appear that the team improved.
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 04:50:16 PM
You're not getting my point everything is relative.Darnold isn’t Peyton Manning...and this offensive scheme is a POS.
If this team gets more talent (having Darnold over some bum) and the opponents have less talent, it will appear that the team improved.
This game is won in the trenches, and we’re bad on both sides of that trench.
None of the teams you mentioned will be an easy for win us....and yes, that includes Miami.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 04:52:23 PM
Darnold isn’t Peyton Manning...and this offensive scheme is a POS.
This game is won in the trenches, and we’re bad on both sides of that trench.
None of the teams you mentioned will be an easy for win us....and yes, that includes Miami.
I'm not pretending Darnold is a top 5 QB. But we're talking about going from a guy whose probably not in the top 100 nfl/potential nfl QB's to a guy who is a top 25 maybe top 20 QB. That's a significant improvement
I'm not talking about winning, I'm talking about improving. And Gase has been freaking terrible, I can't defend him anymore. But realistically I think the odds are fairly strong he's still out HC next year. And having a soft schedule to end the season will make that decision easier for the teams decision makers
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2019, 04:52:29 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 04:58:41 PM
It is still a soft schedule. Going from Falk to Darnold alone makes better than Cincy, Miami and Washington. The offense will improve with an actual NFL QB playing. And the defense is competent even with its flaws.We’re still on par with those teams....
Sorry, until we get improved play from our oline...it won’t matter who’s taking the snaps
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 05:06:11 PM
We’re still on par with those teams....
Sorry, until we get improved play from our oline...it won’t matter who’s taking the snaps
Were we on par with the Patriots Eagles Browns and Dallas next week? Or would you say being on par with our opponents is an... Improvement?
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 05:14:31 PM
Were we on par with the Patriots Eagles Browns and Dallas next week? Or would you say being on par with our opponents is an... Improvement?I would say we’re gonna be hard pressed to win this roster and coaching staff
Im not here to split hairs and discuss meaningless comparisons
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 05:16:05 PM
I would say we’re gonna be hard pressed to win this roster and coaching staff
Im not here to split hairs and discuss meaningless comparisons
Problem is he's buddy buddy with the HC and GM, so I think all it takes is moderate improvement and he saves his job. And the stars are aligned for him to do so, whether we want him back or not
Post by: Pope on October 06, 2019, 05:16:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 05:18:08 PM
Problem is he's buddy buddy with the HC and GM, so I think all it takes is moderate improvement and he saves his job. And the stars are aligned for him to do so, whether we want him back or notI disagree
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2019, 05:22:06 PM
We’re still on par with those teams....We nearly beat the Bills in Week 1 with a sick Darnold. That's better than anything any of those teams have done this year.
Sorry, until we get improved play from our oline...it won’t matter who’s taking the snaps
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 05:25:00 PM
We nearly beat the Bills in Week 1 with a sick Darnold. That's better than anything any of those teams have done this year.You’re hanging your hat on “nearly” beating a team?
We coughed up a 17 pt lead, and didn’t convert any points off the 4 turnovers from our defense. That’s terrible.
But hey.....almost won, right?! Lol
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 05:46:38 PM
You’re hanging your hat on “nearly” beating a team?
We coughed up a 17 pt lead, and didn’t convert any points off the 4 turnovers from our defense. That’s terrible.
But hey.....almost won, right?! Lol
This is what happens when you lose Rex Ryan
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 05:52:34 PM
This is what happens when you lose Rex RyanWe haven’t had a solid talent evaluator since Eric Mangini
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 06:01:18 PM
We haven’t had a solid talent evaluator since Eric Mangini
And the caps been a diasaster ever since we lost Idzik
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2019, 06:08:46 PM
You’re hanging your hat on “nearly” beating a team?I'm not holding my hat on anything but I just tried to provide evidence how a Darnold-led team is merely bottom 8 in the NFL as opposed to bottom 2.
We coughed up a 17 pt lead, and didn’t convert any points off the 4 turnovers from our defense. That’s terrible.
But hey.....almost won, right?! Lol
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 06:11:52 PM
I'm not holding my hat on anything but I just tried to provide evidence how a Darnold-led team is merely bottom 8 in the NFL as opposed to bottom 2.So you’re splitting hairs between us being garbage and hot garbage.......got it.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 06:16:31 PM
So you’re splitting hairs between us being garbage and hot garbage.......got it.
It makes a helluva difference in whether you fire your coach after 1 season or not.
Being the 2nd worst team is a serious problem.
Being the 8th worth is appropriate for our talent
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 06:20:10 PM
It makes a helluva difference in whether you fire your coach after 1 season or not.
Being the 2nd worst team is a serious problem.
Being the 8th worth is appropriate for our talent
Not when you spent a ton in FA ....8th worst or whatever *eye roll*...isn’t going to cut it
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 06:30:11 PM
Not when you spent a ton in FA ....8th worst or whatever *eye roll*...isn’t going to cut it
Yeah Mosley hasn't really made a difference these first 5 games. Guys been an absolute ghost on the field last few weeks.
And Gase didn't even want Bell on the team.
But all dat money we spent!
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 06:32:55 PM
Yeah Mosley hasn't really made a difference these first 5 games. Guys been an absolute ghost on the field last few weeks.Why are you arguing against your own point?
And Gase didn't even want Bell on the team.
But all dat money we spent!
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 06:33:53 PM
Why are you arguing against your own point?
You blamed Gase for the money we spent in the offseason. Which predominantly is on an injured player and a player Gase didn't want.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2019, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 06:38:47 PM
You blamed Gase for the money we spent in the offseason. Which predominantly is on an injured player and a player Gase didn't want.I didn’t blame Gase
I said the jets spent big...so Gase is expected to deliver
Being 8th worst or whatever you said isn’t going to cut it
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 06:41:14 PM
I didn’t blame Gase
I said the jets spent big...so results are expected
Being 8th worst or whatever you said isn’t going to cut it
Thoguh the first 5 weeks of the season I think everyone can agree that the Jets are either the worst or second worst team in the NFL.
What % of the blame for that do you put on Gase? And including blaming schedule, injuries, current/past gms, talent, execution.
How much of the blame do you think Gase deserves?
Yes I get he's the HC and he's accountable about the end of the day. But that doesn't mean it's all his fault
Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2019, 06:46:31 PM
Thoguh the first 5 weeks of the season I think everyone can agree that the Jets are either the worst or second worst team in the NFL.You’re splitting hairs again. I don’t care if he gets 58% or 89% or 45% of the blame. He’s the HC, and he’s accountable.
What % of the blame for that do you put on Gase? And including blaming schedule, injuries, current/past gms, talent, execution.
How much of the blame do you think Gase deserves?
Yes I get he's the HC and he's accountable about the end of the day. But that doesn't mean it's all his fault
The team looked completely unprepared after a bye week.
He gave Darnold all the practice reps without knowing if he was going to get cleared....that’s irresponsible to the ninth degree.
This is freaking amateur hour again at Florham Park.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 06, 2019, 06:46:46 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 06, 2019, 06:50:01 PM
Thoguh the first 5 weeks of the season I think everyone can agree that the Jets are either the worst or second worst team in the NFL.
What % of the blame for that do you put on Gase? And including blaming schedule, injuries, current/past gms, talent, execution.
How much of the blame do you think Gase deserves?
Yes I get he's the HC and he's accountable about the end of the day. But that doesn't mean it's all his fault
Just because it “isn’t all his fault” doesn’t mean he’s proven to be part of the (eventual) solution. I get he hasn’t had Sam at QB, but this OL is on him to coach up. You cannot tell me that there aren’t things he can do from a scheme perspective to get somebody, anybody open and he can’t scheme a scenario to help whomever his QB stand upright. We gave up 10 sacks today. While Falk sure as hell makes it worse, Siemian sure as excrement was getting derriere blasted for the whole half he was on the field as well.
Gase is doing an atrocious job. No one is arguing we should have a top 5 offense, but literally the only reason we have scored since week one is because either our defense or out ST got a turnover and either scored, or in the case of today put us in position to do so on a trick play from 20 yards out. There is no innovation and freak, for all the targets Crowder got week one, Gase can’t even get him or Robby the damn ball. I know those two can win 1 on 1s they’ve proven it time and again in this league.
Gase is a problem right now, not an antidote. Sam will certainly play better. But if he returns next week and we are still 0-7 going into the Dolphins game with an offense that looks like it would struggle against a H.S. JV defense, Gases head is certainly on the chopping block. Whether it gets cut off will remain to be seen down the stretch. But if that happens the defense may well Mutiny and who the freak could blame them
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2019, 07:08:53 PM
i just watched the Gase postgame presser. He kept saying that he has to fix the offense. What the freak were you doing for the last 2 weeks?Mario Kart mobile game came out on 9/24
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 06, 2019, 08:41:56 PM
Tank for Jerry JeudyTank for a high pick we can trade back to draft 5 offensive linemen in the first 3 rounds.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 06, 2019, 08:42:39 PM
Tank for a high pick we can trade back to draft 5 offensive linemen in the first 3 rounds.
Or just take Andrew Thomas
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 08:45:21 PM
Or just take Andrew Thomas
Maybe tag and trade Leo and get us a nice guard. Though I have my doubts he would be tradeable
Hopefully we try to dump him on Tampa or something this year
Post by: IATA on October 06, 2019, 08:45:40 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 06, 2019, 08:48:48 PM
Maybe tag and trade Leo and get us a nice guard. Though I have my doubts he would be tradeable
Hopefully we try to dump him on Tampa or something this year
We’d be lucky to get a 4th for Leonard Williams.
He isn’t worth tagging.
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2019, 09:15:52 PM
Tank for a high pick we can trade back to draft 5 offensive linemen in the first 3 rounds.An army of Vlad Ducasses
Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2019, 10:01:25 PM
An army of Vlad Ducasses
He's a free agent could be an upgrade
Post by: Jumbo on October 06, 2019, 10:23:14 PM
Mario Kart mobile game came out on 9/24
oh excrement finally something fun to do on Sundays
Post by: Jumbo on October 06, 2019, 10:34:17 PM
I don't know if we'd win with any coach at the helm right now, and Gase is certainly performing below expectations, but what really matters ultimately is how the offense looks with Darnold at the helm.
Post by: ScotlandJet on October 07, 2019, 08:35:22 AM
We’d be lucky to get a 4th for Leonard Williams.
He isn’t worth tagging.
Not that long ago Big Cat was a killer and would die for the cause. There is a worrying trend around our marquee players losing interest or whatver it is. Getting caned by a pretty average team is hard enough to bear but watching Jamal Adams trying his heart out last night whilst being surrounded by incompeteance and largess breaks my freaking heart.
Post by: insanity on October 07, 2019, 10:51:10 AM
Not that long ago Big Cat was a killer and would die for the cause. There is a worrying trend around our marquee players losing interest or whatver it is. Getting caned by a pretty average team is hard enough to bear but watching Jamal Adams trying his heart out last night whilst being surrounded by incompeteance and largess breaks my freaking heart.
Yes. I'm terrified of this. If we don't turn this around quickly Jamal is going to want to go somewhere else.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 07, 2019, 11:30:54 AM
Yes. I'm terrified of this. If we don't turn this around quickly Jamal is going to want to go somewhere else.
Need guys that won't quit, a lot of that comes from the coach. Keyshawn described it in his book, his rookie year was 1-15 but when Parcells cam in the whole atmosphere changed.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 07, 2019, 11:42:59 AM
Yes. I'm terrified of this. If we don't turn this around quickly Jamal is going to want to go somewhere else.
Fortunately we have until the end of his rookie contract to turn things around. Dudes surely gonna want the monster contract he deserves even if he's not an all about the money guy.
Though as a safety I could easily imagine us playing games and hitting him with a 5th year deal and then tagging him, which could be a dissatisfier
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2019, 12:08:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2019, 12:59:03 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 07, 2019, 03:13:56 PM
Gase should be fired just for attempting a 55 yard FG into the wind with Sam Ficken
We weren't making 4th and 5.
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2019, 03:15:16 PM
We weren't making 4th and 5.
We. Should. Have. Punted.
Post by: reuben on October 07, 2019, 04:02:37 PM
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Jets coach Adam Gase said he needs to evaluate Chris Herndon in practice before activating him to the 53-man roster.
Journeyman TE Ryan Griffin has been used on 93 percent of New York's offensive snaps this year as the Jets have clearly struggled without both Sam Darnold and Herndon. The latter's eligible to return following his four game suspension this week, but Gase is hesitant to activate the 23-year-old until he sees him in practice. Although it's likely coach speak, it can't go overlooked as this is also a team that's made no significant changes or progress on offense all season. Herndon still needs to be universally added across waiver wires.
This freaking buffoon, I swear to God. I sure do hope Chris Herndon is capable of playing at the level of excellence this offense demands. Prolly smarter to let him back up Ryan Griffin for a few seasons.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 07, 2019, 04:05:04 PM
This freaking buffoon, I swear to God. I sure do hope Chris Herndon is capable of playing at the level of excellence this offense demands. Prolly smarter to let him back up Ryan Griffin for a few seasons.I get that everyone wants to excrement on Gase for literally everything, but this response is just plain dumb.
Let him show he's in game shape. Then activate him. I put the odds at 95% he's playing this weekend, and the 5% is that he's out of shape or something like that. We have a roster exemption for another week if he's not ready for whatever reason. Same with Copeland.
Post by: MBGreen on October 07, 2019, 04:35:22 PM
I get that everyone wants to excrement on Gase for literally everything, but this response is just plain dumb.Is Ty Montgomery in game shape yet?
Let him show he's in game shape. Then activate him. I put the odds at 95% he's playing this weekend, and the 5% is that he's out of shape or something like that. We have a roster exemption for another week if he's not ready for whatever reason. Same with Copeland.
Asking for a friend.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 07, 2019, 05:14:44 PM
Is Ty Montgomery in game shape yet?Jets fans act like Ty Montgomery is gonna fix everything. He got cut midseason last year. Hes a fine player. I would like to see him more. But we have 100 bigger problems than Ty Montgomery, and some of Ty's workload would come at Bell's expense and we all agree Bell is great.
Asking for a friend.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 07, 2019, 05:53:57 PM
Post by: Pope on October 07, 2019, 07:54:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2019, 08:55:56 PM
I get that everyone wants to excrement on Gase for literally everything, but this response is just plain dumb.
Let him show he's in game shape. Then activate him. I put the odds at 95% he's playing this weekend, and the 5% is that he's out of shape or something like that. We have a roster exemption for another week if he's not ready for whatever reason. Same with Copeland.
They should play him even if he’s in Jachai Polite shape
Post by: mj2sexay on October 07, 2019, 11:53:32 PM
I was drinking with Herndon yesterday and he gave me a ride home
yeah, but did you guys GET A FEEL FOR THE CITY?
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 08, 2019, 01:47:33 AM
I still think Sam fixes a ton of the issues though.
Post by: ScotlandJet on October 08, 2019, 04:31:30 AM
The most concerning thing for me is that there are all the busted routes by the receivers and mental issues on the line. A lot of that is coaching. It is week 5, things need to be cleaned up.
I still think Sam fixes a ton of the issues though.
I'm sure your right but lets be real here; this kid is banged up and we are sending him out there with too much on his shoulders. The cowboys are gaming to give him a couple of shots early on if we are foolhardy to suit him up. I don't think he's playing for the record.
Injuries aside I'm really concerned about the direction we are going just now. I just cant fathom how we had so much dough and cap space and we are heading to another number 1 pick with so many holes to fill on the offensive line and corners. What is it with this organisation? - ( Rant over )
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2019, 07:30:14 AM
Jets fans act like Ty Montgomery is gonna fix everything. He got cut midseason last year. Hes a fine player. I would like to see him more. But we have 100 bigger problems than Ty Montgomery, and some of Ty's workload would come at Bell's expense and we all agree Bell is great.
The guy is a swiss army knife that can play both HB and WR at a high level. But hey, let's trot out Braxton Berrios instead.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 07:34:12 AM
The guy is a swiss army knife that can play both HB and WR at a high level. But hey, let's trot out Braxton Berrios instead.
Can he play guard?
Of course if 90% of our passes are going to be at or behind the line of scrimmage maybe two HBs makes some sense
Post by: bojanglesman on October 08, 2019, 07:59:50 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2019, 08:23:20 AM
50 personnel. 5 little scat backs flying around in different directions for dump off passes. Like spiders.
Triple reverses to Vysciantth11!! Smith all day babbie.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 08, 2019, 11:39:15 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2019, 11:40:12 AM
We. Should. Have. Punted.
We haven't punted enough for you? Once or twice a week we have an outside chance to score some points, might as well try it. Besides, Edwards is going to be worn out by the end of the season.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2019, 11:40:52 AM
Triple reverses to Vysciantth11!! Smith all day babbie.
They'll never see it coming.
Post by: insanity on October 08, 2019, 12:14:47 PM
We haven't punted enough for you? Once or twice a week we have an outside chance to score some points, might as well try it. Besides, Edwards is going to be worn out by the end of the season.Pretty sure that was sarcasm
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2019, 12:23:51 PM
Pretty sure that was sarcasm
It absolutely wasn't. I had this conversation with Derek Smalls in the game day thread as well.
Situation is 4th and 5 at the opponent's 40, we're two scores down at the end of the first quarter. We had the following options:
1. Run a play to try and get the 1st down with an offensive line that was getting dismantled and a QB that looked like he was still trying to work out why the football is a funny shape
2. Attempt a 55 yard field goal into the wind with an unproven kicker whose career long is 46 yards
3. Punt
Options 1 and 2 both had an overwhelming likelihood of Eagles taking possession on downs at their own 40. Option 3 had an overwhelming likelihood of Eagles taking possession at no better than their own 25 and quite likely inside their own 10. Our defense and punt team were playing well, meaning that a punt had a very decent chance or resulting in a turnover or Eagles punt to give us possession at no worse than midfield with a fresh set of downs.
Our only hope of getting anything was playing smart percentage football to try and make up for the talent vacuum permeating our entire offense, both on the field and on the sidelines. We chose instead to go with a desperation play.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2019, 12:39:49 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2019, 12:46:30 PM
It absolutely wasn't. I had this conversation with Derek Smalls in the game day thread as well.
Situation is 4th and 5 at the opponent's 40, we're two scores down at the end of the first quarter. We had the following options:
1. Run a play to try and get the 1st down with an offensive line that was getting dismantled and a QB that looked like he was still trying to work out why the football is a funny shape
2. Attempt a 55 yard field goal into the wind with an unproven kicker whose career long is 46 yards
3. Punt
Options 1 and 2 both had an overwhelming likelihood of Eagles taking possession on downs at their own 40. Option 3 had an overwhelming likelihood of Eagles taking possession at no better than their own 25 and quite likely inside their own 10. Our defense and punt team were playing well, meaning that a punt had a very decent chance or resulting in a turnover or Eagles punt to give us possession at no worse than midfield with a fresh set of downs.
Our only hope of getting anything was playing smart percentage football to try and make up for the talent vacuum permeating our entire offense, both on the field and on the sidelines. We chose instead to go with a desperation play.
start kicking FGs on 1st downs
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2019, 12:57:57 PM
Hindsight is 20/20 after you miss the kick. You finally make it somewhere near a chance to put something up, see if this guy has the leg. Maybe he puts the 3 up and gives the team a jolt, in which case you kick off and hopefully they start somewhere around their 25. In the end we lose the game either way, but we'd have 3 more points to add to our small collection.
It's nothing to do with hindsight. It was an incredibly low percentage kick and it would have been a stupid idea to go for it if we'd been up two scores, never mind down two. The kick was IMO the worst of the three options.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 08, 2019, 01:01:12 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
I think punting would have been idiotic. You're at the 37 on 4th and 3 or 4th and 4. You go for that or kick the field goal every time. If you dont trust the kicker, you go for it. Punting shouldn't even be a consideration.
Maybe if your offense is halfway competent, but given the way they were playing I think my logic follows through. Again, you're playing percentages to try and put them in the best position to succeed. You can't look at single plays in isolation here, you have to look at the potential outcomes and likely next moves.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 01:15:12 PM
Who gives a freak about a field goal attempt
And considering the legendary ineptitude of this offense I can't blame him for kicking the field goal. It "probably" was the smart football move knowing that the eagles would likely score more points, and a 55 yard field goal into the wind would be one of our few opportunities at actually scoring.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 08, 2019, 01:38:06 PM
This team has had the worst offense in franchise history through 4 weeks.I would have rated the decisions....
Who gives a freak about a field goal attempt
And considering the legendary ineptitude of this offense I can't blame him for kicking the field goal. It "probably" was the smart football move knowing that the eagles would likely score more points, and a 55 yard field goal into the wind would be one of our few opportunities at actually scoring.
1. Go for it
- Upside: The drive stays alive, and you're minimum in field goal range if you convert.
- Downside: You lose 15-30 yards of field position
2. Kick the field goal
- Upside: Most direct way of getting points right there.
- Downside: We have a shitty kicker, we're against the wind, and if you miss it, you give up even worse field position.
3. Punt
- Upside: Maybe you can pin them inside the 5 or 10.
- Downside: Even in a best case scenario, giving up possession is not worth 30 yards of field position.
I think you had to go for it. If you have faith in the kicker, I don't hate kicking it. If we had punted, I would have destroyed Gase.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 08, 2019, 01:51:02 PM
They're 4 games into this coaching regime and have already held a players-only meeting. Nothing to see here, folks.
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2019, 01:54:40 PM
I feel like the only way some people are finally going to turn on Gase is if he literally walks out into the huddle and stabs Darnold. Even then, maybe not."I mean sure he stabbed him *a little* but come on, do you want Bowles back?"
They're 4 games into this coaching regime and have already held a players-only meeting. Nothing to see here, folks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 08, 2019, 01:55:52 PM
I feel like the only way some people are finally going to turn on Gase is if he literally walks out into the huddle and stabs Darnold. Even then, maybe not.That's funny. In one sentence, you say "finally" like he's been here so long you can make a real judgment on him. In the next line, you say "They're 4 games into this coaching regime" as if that's a lot.
They're 4 games into this coaching regime and have already held a players-only meeting. Nothing to see here, folks.
Sorry. I'd like to see Gase with an actual NFL roster and an actual NFL quarterback before I make a concrete judgment on him. That doesn't mean I can't change my mind and want him fired after this season, but after 4 games? Nah.
Post by: Jumbo on October 08, 2019, 01:57:54 PM
Oh well...at least we have GoT to look fwd to in a few months
It's been a bad year for MB
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2019, 02:00:43 PM
It's been a bad year for MB
Amen sister.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 08, 2019, 02:16:29 PM
That's funny. In one sentence, you say "finally" like he's been here so long you can make a real judgment on him. In the next line, you say "They're 4 games into this coaching regime" as if that's a lot.
Sorry. I'd like to see Gase with an actual NFL roster and an actual NFL quarterback before I make a concrete judgment on him. That doesn't mean I can't change my mind and want him fired after this season, but after 4 games? Nah.
Adam Gase appears to be the same guy who sucked in Miami and immediately came here to continue the trend. Just because you want to give him an entire season with the Jets doesn't mean he doesn't have an overall resume already.
You're absolutely right, 4 games is not a lot. Certainly not enough for even the most reasonable person to say "Yeah, it makes sense for the players to lock out the coaching staff so the locker room leaders can start holding guys accountable and give motivation to their teammates they're not getting from the staff."
What has Adam Gase done--other than "coach" Peyton Manning--to warrant anyone's belief that maybe he can still turn this around? Especially before guys like Adams and Bell say "Screw this, I want out."
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 02:26:25 PM
on the first 4 games of the year
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2019, 02:33:27 PM
The Johnsons should base all staffing decisions
on the first 4 games of the year
it'd be a nice change from waiting and setting us back 4 years. #FireBowles
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 02:36:31 PM
it'd be a nice change from waiting and setting us back 4 years. #FireBowles
If it wasn't for Bowles ineptitude Josh Allen or Rosen would probably be our starting QB right now
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 08, 2019, 02:37:32 PM
Adam Gase appears to be the same guy who sucked in Miami and immediately came here to continue the trend. Just because you want to give him an entire season with the Jets doesn't mean he doesn't have an overall resume already.
Did he suck in Miami? The one year he had a healthy QB, he led freaking Ryan Tannehill to the playoffs. The other two years, he had to deal with Jay Cutler, Brock Osweiler and David Fales. Nobody is arguing he did a great job in Miami, but I disagree that he sucked. As soon as he left, they decided that the talent base was so eroded that they went on an epic tanking binge.
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You're absolutely right, 4 games is not a lot. Certainly not enough for even the most reasonable person to say "Yeah, it makes sense for the players to lock out the coaching staff so the locker room leaders can start holding guys accountable and give motivation to their teammates they're not getting from the staff."
Again, you're drawing conclusions based on nothing. Just because they had a players-only meeting doesn't mean they hate the coaching staff.
If we were drawing conclusions based on 4 games, we would have given Ryan Fitzpatrick the extension that DCM wanted, or Todd Bowles would have gotten a massive extension.
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What has Adam Gase done--other than "coach" Peyton Manning--to warrant anyone's belief that maybe he can still turn this around? Especially before guys like Adams and Bell say "Screw this, I want out."Nobody has said they want out. If they do, well, then excrement went wrong. I don't know if Gase can turn it around or not. I just think he deserves a chance. And you can literally make this argument about any unproven coach you want.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2019, 02:44:10 PM
The best team we've had since Super Bowl III was 1998, and a lot of the pieces came into place during the horrific 1996 1-15 year. Of course adding Parcells, Vinny, Mahwae and Martin was a big improvement, but a lot of the young players were there, like Keyshawn and Chrebet, Kyle Brady, Mo Lewis, Marvin Jones, Aaron Glenn, etc.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 02:44:59 PM
Did he suck in Miami? The one year he had a healthy QB, he led freaking Ryan Tannehill to the playoffs. The other two years, he had to deal with Jay Cutler, Brock Osweiler and David Fales. Nobody is arguing he did a great job in Miami, but I disagree that he sucked. As soon as he left, they decided that the talent base was so eroded that they went on an epic tanking binge.
Again, you're drawing conclusions based on nothing. Just because they had a players-only meeting doesn't mean they hate the coaching staff.
If we were drawing conclusions based on 4 games, we would have given Ryan Fitzpatrick the extension that DCM wanted, or Todd Bowles would have gotten a massive extension.
Nobody has said they want out. If they do, well, then excrement went wrong. I don't know if Gase can turn it around or not. I just think he deserves a chance. And you can literally make this argument about any unproven coach you want.
I was actually thinking about comparing these fuckers to me wanting to extend Fitz too
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 03:11:06 PM
Post by: Jumbo on October 08, 2019, 03:32:55 PM
It'll be interesting to see if the Jets to bring in a real backup QB how that Sam is back, and we can send this other reject back to the practice squad
Why send him to the practice squad, just fire him into the sun. PS is supposed to be to develop players, idk how anyone thinks that whatever the freak we just saw will ever develop into anything useful.
Sign Osweiler.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 04:45:38 PM
Why send him to the practice squad, just fire him into the sun. PS is supposed to be to develop players, idk how anyone thinks that whatever the freak we just saw will ever develop into anything useful.
Sign Osweiler.
Because if a QB gets injured at least you have someone available who knows the offense.
Even if he's essentially worthless
Post by: IATA on October 08, 2019, 04:51:31 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2019, 04:53:57 PM
Knowing the offense is clearly way over freaking rated.
I know what an out route is but I also couldn't throw a 30 yard pass to a player running one. You can learn a playbook, you can't learn to not be a terrified bunny in a collapsing pocket. Or at least, Luke Falk apparently can't.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 05:11:41 PM
Knowing the offense is clearly way over freaking rated.
I guess guaranteed money also has to come into play.
If say Sam has to mix a single week, then you can sign a young guy like Falk for 1 week as your backup QB with no strings attached
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 08, 2019, 05:29:18 PM
Falk or Fales will be the backup going forward, most likely Falk.
Post by: Jumbo on October 08, 2019, 05:49:53 PM
So let me get this straight....the logic here is that once our starting QB is healthy, that's when we sign another veteran QB? That seems...backwards.
Falk or Fales will be the backup going forward, most likely Falk.
I see no reason to stick with a sunk cost that effectively costs nothing to part with and has no real value. Not like has has some experience to part onto Sam either
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 08, 2019, 05:58:44 PM
I see no reason to stick with a sunk cost that effectively costs nothing to part with and has no real value. Not like has has some experience to part onto Sam eitherMy point is - if you're going to sign a different veteran QB now, why wouldn't you have done that 2-3 weeks ago? It makes no sense.
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2019, 06:05:33 PM
My point is - if you're going to sign a different veteran QB now, why wouldn't you have done that 2-3 weeks ago? It makes no sense.
I agree, but it's not the replacing Falk with a veteran bit that makes no sense, it's the not doing it 2-3 weeks ago. But then I think we know the answer to why that is: our offensive genius and quarterback whisperer of a head coach rates him. After all, he's hired him twice.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 06:26:26 PM
So let me get this straight....the logic here is that once our starting QB is healthy, that's when we sign another veteran QB? That seems...backwards.
Falk or Fales will be the backup going forward, most likely Falk.
I don't particularly understand it, but I'll assume it has something to do with Gase wanting someone familiar with the offense who could go out there on extremely short notice.
Why the freak we didn't sign a legitimate number 2 to use the bye week to acclimate, that I couldn't begin to fathom.
I think blowing week 1 and not doing something about the #2 QB job during the bye are Gases biggest coaching fuckups this season so far. And the QB thing is pretty bad
Post by: IATA on October 08, 2019, 09:50:09 PM
My point is - if you're going to sign a different veteran QB now, why wouldn't you have done that 2-3 weeks ago? It makes no sense.The Jets aren't a very forward thinking team.
Post by: ScotlandJet on October 09, 2019, 03:38:58 AM
The Jets aren't a very forward thinking team.
This.
Just confirms my anxiety about how we are placed going forward.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 09, 2019, 12:05:17 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 09, 2019, 12:06:18 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 09, 2019, 01:05:17 PM
I agree, but it's not the replacing Falk with a veteran bit that makes no sense, it's the not doing it 2-3 weeks ago. But then I think we know the answer to why that is: our offensive genius and quarterback whisperer of a head coach rates him. After all, he's hired him twice.
Stop criticizing Adam Gase and give him a chance to have a roster full of All-Pros before you judge him.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 09, 2019, 01:20:14 PM
What veteran QBs are even out there who would be of much if any help? It's October.
There's more than you think. This trend of teams only keeping 2 QBs on the active roster has led to a decent amount of backup QB's being out there.
None of them are going to be high end #2s, but none of them are going to anywhere remotely as bad as Falk
Post by: dcm1602 on October 09, 2019, 01:21:18 PM
Stop criticizing Adam Gase and give him a chance to have a roster full of All-Pros before you judge him.
We should start flying planes around MetLife stadium to fire Joe Douglas. This franchise hasn't won a single game with him as GM. He's literally the worst GM in all of sports of all time.
Idzik would be better
Hell Woody Johnson should just give the team to James Dolan. Even he's never hired a GM as freaking terrible as Joe Douglas
Can we freaking cut Quinnen Williams too? freaking dude is making all this money and can't even stay on the field. Holy freak such a wasted draft pick. Gholston was better, at least he occasionally got on the field
Am I doing it right?
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2019, 01:23:53 PM
We should start flying planes around MetLife stadium to fire Joe Douglas. This franchise hasn't won a single game with him as GM. He's literally the worst GM in all of sports of all time.
Idzik would be better
Hell Woody Johnson should just give the team to James Dolan. Even he's never hired a GM as freaking terrible as Joe Douglas
Am I doing it right?
If not making any sense was your goal, then yes, you're doing it "right".
Post by: dcm1602 on October 09, 2019, 01:26:52 PM
If not making any sense was your goal, then yes, you're doing it "right".
Fact
Joe Douglas is the only GM on professional sports to have his team never have won a single game, ever
Post by: Johnny English on October 09, 2019, 01:28:00 PM
What veteran QBs are even out there who would be of much if any help? It's October.
Osweiler is the primary name that comes up. Beyond that you're into the likes of Brandon Weeden, Tom Savage and Kevin Hogan. There's not a lot there that's inspiring, certainly no one of the calibre of Uncle Josh.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 09, 2019, 01:35:03 PM
Osweiler is the primary name that comes up. Beyond that you're into the likes of Brandon Weeden, Tom Savage and Kevin Hogan. There's not a lot there that's inspiring, certainly no one of the calibre of Uncle Josh.
None of those guys would make a tremendous difference. It's easy to forget we did have Siemian for this situation and he didn't last one game, which is how we got here. It's like the year we lost Pennington and Fiedler for the year in the same game Week 3, and ended up with Brooks Bollinger. That year we managed to get Vinny off his couch at like 40 and eke out a couple wins, no such luck this year.
Unless.....
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2019, 01:38:14 PM
Fact
Joe Douglas is the only GM on professional sports to have his team never have won a single game, ever
he was hired 2 months ago. Wasn't around for the draft, nor Free Agency.
But Gase was.
See how this works?
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 09, 2019, 01:39:27 PM
he was hired 2 months ago. Wasn't around for the draft, nor Free Agency.
But Gase was.
See how this works?
freak it, fire everybody. Redskins haven't lost since they fired Gruden. #facts
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2019, 01:41:55 PM
freak it, fire everybody. Redskins haven't lost since they fired Gruden. #facts
i have faith Joey Baggadonuts will draft us back to prominence....starting next year.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 09, 2019, 01:43:40 PM
i have faith Joey Baggadonuts will draft us back to prominence....starting next year.
I actually agree with you. We'll have to figure out something else to fight about.
Post by: Johnny English on October 09, 2019, 01:44:55 PM
None of those guys would make a tremendous difference. It's easy to forget we did have Siemian for this situation and he didn't last one game, which is how we got here. It's like the year we lost Pennington and Fiedler for the year in the same game Week 3, and ended up with Brooks Bollinger. That year we managed to get Vinny off his couch at like 40 and eke out a couple wins, no such luck this year.
Unless.....
We could always trade for Vinny Jr from the Buccs.
Post by: insanity on October 09, 2019, 01:51:26 PM
i have faith Joey Baggadonuts will draft us back to prominence....starting next year.Rinse and repeat.
Why is this time different?
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2019, 02:00:59 PM
Rinse and repeat.
Why is this time different?
I like Big Doug's pedigree better. Learned from Ozzie Newsome and Howie Roseman.
But as always, i'll take the wait and see approach.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 09, 2019, 02:02:47 PM
he was hired 2 months ago. Wasn't around for the draft, nor Free Agency.
But Gase was.
See how this works?
You're right
If we don't have a winning record by December we should fire him then
Give us a head start on the GM search for the new year
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2019, 02:28:30 PM
You're right
If we don't have a winning record by December we should fire him then
Give us a head start on the GM search for the new year
you're still not getting it.
He hasn't had a full offseason.
So even in your hyperbole-charged fantasy, it still doesn't make sense.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 09, 2019, 02:31:02 PM
Oh. Wait.
Go ahead, someone tell me all about how Gase "overachieved" in Miami again.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 09, 2019, 03:01:11 PM
you're still not getting it.
He hasn't had a full offseason.
So even in your hyperbole-charged fantasy, it still doesn't make sense.
OH sorry
I forgot that having a full season only counts for GMs. Head coaches only get 4 games
These rules are so complicated
Post by: dcm1602 on October 09, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
Joe Douglas' lack of success with the Eagles should factor against him. Add in how Douglas called out players for not doing their jobs, shifting blame off himself all the time and doing it again here.
Oh. Wait.
Go ahead, someone tell me all about how Gase "overachieved" in Miami again.
Joe Douglas wasn't GM of the Eagles.
Maybe we should have given Bowles a few more years here because he had success in Arizona as a DC
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 09, 2019, 03:50:23 PM
Joe Douglas' lack of success with the Eagles should factor against him. Add in how Douglas called out players for not doing their jobs, shifting blame off himself all the time and doing it again here.This post is nonsense, but everyone talks about how Gase is shifting the blame. Is that necessarily even a bad thing? Most of the comments about the offense are him saying things like "Sometimes, the WRs aren't open, sometimes, there's a breakdown in protection, sometimes I make a bad call, sometimes the QB misses the throw." Is Gase supposed to just say, "Everything is my fault?" I think that would sound even more disingenuous because that clearly isn't the case. It's not like Gase is saying, "Yeah, I'm making great play calls, and the players aren't executing."
Oh. Wait.
Go ahead, someone tell me all about how Gase "overachieved" in Miami again.
If there were signs that the team was breaking apart at the seams, then maybe you could criticize him for that, but other than a few people having panic attacks about Jamal Adams changing his Twitter profile, there has been nothing of that sort.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 09, 2019, 04:09:32 PM
Joe Douglas wasn't GM of the Eagles.
Maybe we should have given Bowles a few more years here because he had success in Arizona as a DC
Your sarcasmeter is broken.
This post is nonsense, but everyone talks about how Gase is shifting the blame. Is that necessarily even a bad thing? Most of the comments about the offense are him saying things like "Sometimes, the WRs aren't open, sometimes, there's a breakdown in protection, sometimes I make a bad call, sometimes the QB misses the throw." Is Gase supposed to just say, "Everything is my fault?" I think that would sound even more disingenuous because that clearly isn't the case. It's not like Gase is saying, "Yeah, I'm making great play calls, and the players aren't executing."
Except when he did say that in his presser after the Patriots game.
If there were signs that the team was breaking apart at the seams, then maybe you could criticize him for that, but other than a few people having panic attacks about Jamal Adams changing his Twitter profile, there has been nothing of that sort.
Yeah, I mean, it's not like they just held a players-only meeting just the other day. Those are common when a team is buying into the coaches' messages anyway, right?
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 09, 2019, 04:13:00 PM
Except when he did say that in his presser after the Patriots game.I'd be happy to read the quote.
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Yeah, I mean, it's not like they just held a players-only meeting just the other day. Those are common when a team is buying into the coaches' messages anyway, right?Those are common when a team is 0-4 and playing terribly. If you want to read that as them not buying the coach's message, you can, but there's no evidence of that.
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2019, 04:14:07 PM
OH sorryThe rules are simple....obviously not for you.
I forgot that having a full season only counts for GMs. Head coaches only get 4 games
These rules are so complicated
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 09, 2019, 04:24:44 PM
- He still hasn't called out a specific player by name, but he has called guys out.
- Sick or not, when he had Darnold in game 1, with a 2-score lead in the third quarter, he lost.
- He came out of the bye, got his derriere handed to him, then in his postgame said he needed to "fix" the offense. What was he doing for 2 weeks?
- Sam was almost certainly not playing last week, yet he gave him most of the reps over the kid who never had a chance.
Right now, I feel just like I did when I was calling for Mike Maccagnan's head midway through last season. I understand people want to give guys a chance to make it before starting all over. But when you have to stretch a guy's history to make him make sense, you're just delaying the inevitable--and causing more harm in the meantime.
Obviously, it makes little sense to fire Gase today (though I wouldn't complain if it happened) but I see no reason to let this guy stick around after this year. The bad roster is going to be way too easy an excuse, and it's not the only problem.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 09, 2019, 04:25:50 PM
He was 0-4 to start his first season in his second stint as an NFL coach and nothing was going right. The offense had not reached 20 points in any of his first four games. Those who thought he was a bad hire based on his failure in his first job began to point and say, “See. We told you.”
This is an accurate description of Jets coach Adam Gase. It also describes Bill Belichick, whose 2000 Patriots started off 0-4.
Read this carefully: I am not saying Gase is going to become Belichick. What I’m saying is we have no idea what kind of coach Gase will be with the Jets four games into his tenure. It is way, way too soon to make judgments on how Gase’s tenure with the Jets will play out.
Belichick is Exhibit A in this argument. He was 5-13 as the Patriots coach when Mo Lewis changed NFL history with his hit on Drew Bledsoe.
Most new coaches need time. Teams don’t change usually coaches because they are good. Gase inherited a bad Jets team with plenty of holes on the roster. Things then got more complicated for him when Sam Darnold contracted mononucleosis and missed three of the first four games.
To judge Gase off of the first month of the season is ridiculous. Particularly when you consider he has been playing a quarterback for most of the last three games who will be the answer to a trivia question in 10 years and the Jets have played the winners of four of the last five Super Bowls on the road in their last two games.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 09, 2019, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 09, 2019, 04:31:52 PM
I'd be happy to read the quote.
Those are common when a team is 0-4 and playing terribly. If you want to read that as them not buying the coach's message, you can, but there's no evidence of that.
I'm not wasting time looking for a transcript of a quote I literally watched him make on TV 3 weeks ago. Believe me or don't. Hell, Manish probably wrote about it, but I haven't been on Twitter in ages.
There's no "evidence" of anything. But I feel comfortable inferring things when I see Jamal Adams in a postgame near speechless talking about how bad things are, and knowing that the head coach has a history of pissing players off. IDGAF what people think of the players who said something. The fact that active NFL players were publicly gleeful that Gase got fired tells you an awful lot.
Write off whatever you want. I'm not telling you to stop rooting for Gase. I'd love for you to say "Told you so" to me in the Canyon of Heroes in a couple of years. I'm just not worried that's going to happen.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 09, 2019, 04:40:07 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 09, 2019, 05:09:21 PM
What exactly about Gase do people who refuse to turn on him feel warrants loyalty?I was one of the first on this board to call for Bowles' head. I just think Gase deserves a chance with an NFL quarterback before we completely start over again next season. Gase was brought in because Darnold is the most important asset on this team, and the Jets thought Gase would be the best option to get the most out of Darnold. Can we at least see how he does with a healthy Darnold before we completely write Gase off?
- He still hasn't called out a specific player by name, but he has called guys out.
- Sick or not, when he had Darnold in game 1, with a 2-score lead in the third quarter, he lost.
- He came out of the bye, got his derriere handed to him, then in his postgame said he needed to "fix" the offense. What was he doing for 2 weeks?
- Sam was almost certainly not playing last week, yet he gave him most of the reps over the kid who never had a chance.
Right now, I feel just like I did when I was calling for Mike Maccagnan's head midway through last season. I understand people want to give guys a chance to make it before starting all over. But when you have to stretch a guy's history to make him make sense, you're just delaying the inevitable--and causing more harm in the meantime.
Obviously, it makes little sense to fire Gase today (though I wouldn't complain if it happened) but I see no reason to let this guy stick around after this year. The bad roster is going to be way too easy an excuse, and it's not the only problem.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 09, 2019, 06:36:24 PM
Calling for his head now is retarded.
Does anyone think going the last 12 games of the season with Greg Williams as our interim HC with Dowell Loggains as the sole brain of our offense is a good thing?
The fact is this team's dealing with extremely rare/terrible circumstances, but is also historically bad as well. Gase hasn't done a good job either, and what he did with the backup QB situation is complete dog excrement as well.
If the rest of the season goes like the first 4 weeks every single person on this board will agree he should be fired, and he likely will be.
Odds are the rest of the season should improve. The question is how much can Gase improve the offense with Darnold back, and can be keep a losing team focused and competitive?
Post by: MoreCharacters on October 09, 2019, 06:49:17 PM
this was always going to be a team that had a chance to compete if it stayed completely healthy and had a guy they dragged out of retirement play at a high level for the O-line. they never had enough depth to survive anything, never mind QB/WR2/MLB2/their best defensive player
I have absolutely no opinion on adam gase so far, he's not coaching an NFL team
Post by: insanity on October 09, 2019, 09:11:51 PM
You're right
If we don't have a winning record by December we should fire him then
Give us a head start on the GM search for the new year
Not sure if attempting to troll
Post by: MBGreen on October 10, 2019, 09:04:19 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/10/08/bill-belichicks-slow-start-a-reason-not-to-give-up-on-adam-gase-yet/amp/
He was 0-4 to start his first season in his second stint as an NFL coach and nothing was going right. The offense had not reached 20 points in any of his first four games. Those who thought he was a bad hire based on his failure in his first job began to point and say, “See. We told you.”
This is an accurate description of Jets coach Adam Gase. It also describes Bill Belichick, whose 2000 Patriots started off 0-4.
Read this carefully: I am not saying Gase is going to become Belichick. What I’m saying is we have no idea what kind of coach Gase will be with the Jets four games into his tenure. It is way, way too soon to make judgments on how Gase’s tenure with the Jets will play out.
Belichick is Exhibit A in this argument. He was 5-13 as the Patriots coach when Mo Lewis changed NFL history with his hit on Drew Bledsoe.
Most new coaches need time. Teams don’t change usually coaches because they are good. Gase inherited a bad Jets team with plenty of holes on the roster. Things then got more complicated for him when Sam Darnold contracted mononucleosis and missed three of the first four games.
To judge Gase off of the first month of the season is ridiculous. Particularly when you consider he has been playing a quarterback for most of the last three games who will be the answer to a trivia question in 10 years and the Jets have played the winners of four of the last five Super Bowls on the road in their last two games.
So...you're saying Gase will become Belichick. *smh*
Post by: bojanglesman on October 10, 2019, 09:34:08 AM
So...you're saying Gase will become Belichick. *smh*Only if we fire him.
Post by: MBGreen on October 10, 2019, 09:47:51 AM
Only if we fire him.
As soon as we go 0-5, Gase/Belichick turns back into a pumpkin.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2019, 09:54:38 AM
So...you're saying Gase will become Belichick. *smh*
Guess you missed this paragraph, don't worry I'll copy paste for you
Read this carefully: I am not saying Gase is going to become Belichick. What I’m saying is we have no idea what kind of coach Gase will be with the Jets four games into his tenure. It is way, way too soon to make judgments on how Gase’s tenure with the Jets will play out
Post by: MBGreen on October 10, 2019, 10:06:50 AM
Guess you missed this paragraph, don't worry I'll copy paste for youOh no...I saw it.
Read this carefully: I am not saying Gase is going to become Belichick. What I’m saying is we have no idea what kind of coach Gase will be with the Jets four games into his tenure. It is way, way too soon to make judgments on how Gase’s tenure with the Jets will play out
I just think you do believe Gase is Belichick because of your past tendencies on this board.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 10, 2019, 11:45:00 AM
I was one of the first on this board to call for Bowles' head. I just think Gase deserves a chance with an NFL quarterback before we completely start over again next season. Gase was brought in because Darnold is the most important asset on this team, and the Jets thought Gase would be the best option to get the most out of Darnold. Can we at least see how he does with a healthy Darnold before we completely write Gase off?
Sure.
But I'm not changing my opinion that he was the wrong choice until he proves that he wasn't.
My biggest fear now (my previous biggest fear being Gase would be hired in the first place) is that he'll do just good enough to warrant another year as head coach of this team. He's still got a number of built-in excuses.
- Doesn't have Moseley
- OL is 5 bags of trash
- Herndon is still out
- If Sam sucks this week "Well he's still getting acclimated to playing again"
You can make excuse after excuse. Bowles had a thousand of them, Rex was king of them. So let me rephrase my question as: how much is too much to ignore? At what point are the excuses no longer valid?
Calling for a punt down multiple scores late wasn't enough. Calling for a FG into the wind rather than changing field position wasn't enough.
I'm not sure how much of the OL problems are the players just sucking and how much is actually coaching. Brian Winters looked confused on one of the sacks last week, as though he wanted to know why someone blew right past him. A team with 3 sacks coming into the game had over triple that in a single game. I am 100% in favor of revamping the line, but some of the blame has to be on the coaching staff, no?
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2019, 12:21:07 PM
Sure.Your right, it's easy to make excuses for coaches.
But I'm not changing my opinion that he was the wrong choice until he proves that he wasn't.
My biggest fear now (my previous biggest fear being Gase would be hired in the first place) is that he'll do just good enough to warrant another year as head coach of this team. He's still got a number of built-in excuses.
- Doesn't have Moseley
- OL is 5 bags of trash
- Herndon is still out
- If Sam sucks this week "Well he's still getting acclimated to playing again"
You can make excuse after excuse. Bowles had a thousand of them, Rex was king of them. So let me rephrase my question as: how much is too much to ignore? At what point are the excuses no longer valid?
Calling for a punt down multiple scores late wasn't enough. Calling for a FG into the wind rather than changing field position wasn't enough.
I'm not sure how much of the OL problems are the players just sucking and how much is actually coaching. Brian Winters looked confused on one of the sacks last week, as though he wanted to know why someone blew right past him. A team with 3 sacks coming into the game had over triple that in a single game. I am 100% in favor of revamping the line, but some of the blame has to be on the coaching staff, no?
Who is better than him and available?
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2019, 12:36:48 PM
Oh no...I saw it.
I just think you do believe Gase is Belichick because of your past tendencies on this board.
excrement if it was up to me I'd bring back Rex.
I have no love for Gase. That said I'd like to see what he can do with Darnold, at the very least this season.
I know QB rating doesn't mean a ton, but Darnolds game against the Bills was the highest QB rating allowed by their defense this season.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 10, 2019, 01:21:50 PM
Your right, it's easy to make excuses for coaches.
Who is better than him and available?
There isn't anyone available right now, maybe McCarthy? But we're stuck with Gase for the whole season--unless they give the job to Williams as an interim, but I don't see that being much better. I'm saying that he should be one-and-done, barring some miraculous turnaround, which I don't see any reason to believe is coming.
As I said, I fear that this team will do just enough to save his job.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 10, 2019, 01:23:34 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 10, 2019, 01:34:51 PM
Fire him this quick and you'll never get anyone to come here. Like him or not, that's the case.
Gase will get to finish the season regardless of what happens. Then he'll be evaluated.
His prime directive was to turn this offense around and develop Sam into an NFL QB. If he fails to show progress by the end of the year, the Johnsons will bring someone in who can.
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2019, 01:44:55 PM
Gase will get to finish the season regardless of what happens. Then he'll be evaluated.
His prime directive was to turn this offense around and develop Sam into an NFL QB. If he fails to show progress by the end of the year, the Johnsons will bring in someone else who also can't.
FTFY
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2019, 02:31:02 PM
There isn't anyone available right now, maybe McCarthy? But we're stuck with Gase for the whole season--unless they give the job to Williams as an interim, but I don't see that being much better. I'm saying that he should be one-and-done, barring some miraculous turnaround, which I don't see any reason to believe is coming.
As I said, I fear that this team will do just enough to save his job.
Not much better? We would be going from Gase running the offense to Dowell Loggains, it would be much worse. I'd have some faith in Williams if he had a real OC
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 10, 2019, 02:38:08 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2019, 02:52:50 PM
We should give Gase more than 3 quarters with his QB.
I heard now that Darnolds back they're going to give him until half time to score 3 TDs or Gase is out
Post by: insanity on October 11, 2019, 08:59:00 AM
There isn't anyone available right now, maybe McCarthy? But we're stuck with Gase for the whole season--unless they give the job to Williams as an interim, but I don't see that being much better. I'm saying that he should be one-and-done, barring some miraculous turnaround, which I don't see any reason to believe is coming.Again, the season is over you want Gase fired. Who do you want running the team?
As I said, I fear that this team will do just enough to save his job.
Is McCarthy your final answer?
It's easy to want to fire a head coach because he "sucks", but there usually isn't an available coach who has been successful. I'm just as unhappy about Gase as the next guy, but I don't want to fire someone because we're unhappy with him if it means our next hire is Mike McCarthy.
Post by: MBGreen on October 11, 2019, 09:14:04 AM
/Again, the season is over you want Gase fired. Who do you want running the team?
Is McCarthy your final answer?
It's easy to want to fire a head coach because he "sucks", but there usually isn't an available coach who has been successful. I'm just as unhappy about Gase as the next guy, but I don't want to fire someone because we're unhappy with him if it means our next hire is Mike McCarthy.
I'm still intrigued with Matt Rhule. But he signed an extension with Baylor during the summer...so i'm sure he's off the table now.
Another intriguing guy is Kevin O'Connell...he has history with the jets.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 11, 2019, 09:48:02 AM
I'm still intrigued with Matt Rhule. But he signed an extension with Baylor during the summer...so i'm sure he's off the table now.
Another intriguing guy is Kevin O'Connell...he has history with the jets.
Yes let's sign a guy who has 5 games experience as a offensive coordinator that the Redskins want as their HC, as our HC.
What could go wrong
Post by: MBGreen on October 11, 2019, 10:08:26 AM
Yes let's sign a guy who has 5 games experience as a offensive coordinator that the Redskins want as their HC, as our HC.
What could go wrong
He's receiving high praise from around the league for being a bright offensive mind.
Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay both came from the Redskins coaching factory.
I think you're letting perceived biases influence your opinion. How many Patriots' coordinators do you know have gone on to successful coaching careers?
Post by: dcm1602 on October 11, 2019, 10:25:06 AM
He's receiving high praise from around the league for being a bright offensive mind.
Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay both came from the Redskins coaching factory.
I think you're letting perceived biases influence your opinion. How many Patriots' coordinators do you know have gone on to successful coaching careers?
Shanahan had 8 years of being a coordinator. Mccvay had 3 but 9 years in some sort of coaching role.
O'Connell has 5 games an OC and 4 years in a coaching related role.
I'd even be uneasy with someone like Kellen Moore as a HC, even though he seems to be a commodity
And the issue wasn't that he came from the Redskins. It's that the Redskins want him as their HC and who would trust Dan Snyders judgement
Post by: MBGreen on October 11, 2019, 10:34:06 AM
Shanahan had 8 years of being a coordinator. Mccvay had 3 but 9 years in some sort of coaching role.
O'Connell has 5 games an OC and 4 years in a coaching related role.
I'd even be uneasy with someone like Kellen Moore as a HC, even though he seems to be a commodity
And the issue wasn't that he came from the Redskins. It's that the Redskins want him as their HC and who would trust Dan Snyders judgement
of course Dan Snyder wants to keep him. He already looks stupid for letting McVay and Shanahan go and keeping Gruden.
I'm not saying we should hire OConnell, but he's certainly worth bringing in for an interview if Gase gets let go in the offseason.
I'd rather bring in someone who's bright and has new ideas...than some retread like McCarthy or some snake oil salesman like Gase.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 11, 2019, 01:04:07 PM
/Again, the season is over you want Gase fired. Who do you want running the team?
Is McCarthy your final answer?
It's easy to want to fire a head coach because he "sucks", but there usually isn't an available coach who has been successful. I'm just as unhappy about Gase as the next guy, but I don't want to fire someone because we're unhappy with him if it means our next hire is Mike McCarthy.
Let's be clear. You asked who--that is available right now--I would replace Gase with. McCarthy is someone who fits that bill. But I don't really want McCarthy. Rhule and Kingsbury were the guys I wanted in the offseason. If Gase is fired, I'd again look to the college ranks to find someone.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 11, 2019, 01:04:51 PM
of course Dan Snyder wants to keep him. He already looks stupid for letting McVay and Shanahan go and keeping Gruden.
I'm not saying we should hire OConnell, but he's certainly worth bringing in for an interview if Gase gets let go in the offseason.
I'd rather bring in someone who's bright and has new ideas...than some retread like McCarthy or some snake oil salesman like Gase.
100% this
Post by: Libero_2 on October 11, 2019, 06:57:34 PM
Let's be clear. You asked who--that is available right now--I would replace Gase with. McCarthy is someone who fits that bill. But I don't really want McCarthy. Rhule and Kingsbury were the guys I wanted in the offseason. If Gase is fired, I'd again look to the college ranks to find someone.
Yes. Lincoln Riley is the “hot name” in college coaching. He’s resides over the last two top overall picks, back to back heisman winners and all that.
Then there is Matt Rhule. He’s the guy I wanted, and he sounded like our guy until we didn’t let him hire his own guys. Basically our power structure (which we clearly scrapped a few months later), is why Rhule signed that extension. In my eyes his extension won’t stop an NFL move, and was basically more for recruiting purposes. That said he almost certainly can’t be a Jet next offseason. I doubt Johnson is going to look him in the face after a season of Gase and essentially say “My bad, I fucked up last time. If you want in we would love to have you, you have free reign to hire anyone you want in any role.” And that’s why Rhule won’t be our coach more so than the extension
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 12, 2019, 02:54:32 AM
Post by: reuben on October 12, 2019, 09:43:09 AM
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[Solak] Receiving yards in 2019: 1. Michael Thomas (543) 2. Amari Cooper (512) 3. Chris Godwin (511) 4. Cooper Kupp (505) 5. D.J. Chark (485) 6. Keenan Allen (470) 7. The New York Jets (454)
Top ten baby!!! #tooearlytotell
Post by: insanity on October 12, 2019, 03:36:12 PM
Let's be clear. You asked who--that is available right now--I would replace Gase with. McCarthy is someone who fits that bill. But I don't really want McCarthy. Rhule and Kingsbury were the guys I wanted in the offseason. If Gase is fired, I'd again look to the college ranks to find someone.
I'm just making a point that there aren't many good options and there are no great options, just a bunch of who the freak knows. So maybe, let's not go calling for the coaches head after 4 games when half our starting defense has been injured and our starting quarterback has been injured.
Again, I'm not happy with gase so far, and was upset with the hire, but let's stop pretending like there are or were far and away better options.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2019, 11:58:28 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 13, 2019, 12:57:08 AM
I'm just making a point that there aren't many good options and there are no great options, just a bunch of who the freak knows. So maybe, let's not go calling for the coaches head after 4 games when half our starting defense has been injured and our starting quarterback has been injured.
Again, I'm not happy with gase so far, and was upset with the hire, but let's stop pretending like there are or were far and away better options.
Definitely fair. I would've hired Rhule or Kingsbury, but no one was a "sure thing" so your point is valid. It's just that Gase/Williams was literally my "nightmare" scenario, so I have zero leeway to give them.
No one could've won with Luke Falk at QB.
Also, 100% fair.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 13, 2019, 06:55:25 AM
No one could've won with Luke Falk at QB.
No one is arguing that. What I would be arguing is, why is he the next choice? I get him being the backup for Cleveland, assuming Trevor would survive and he knows the offense. But when we knew Siemian was out and needed somebody for at least another week and quite possibly longer why did we say freak it we will stay with Falk. That’s on the coach and/or the GM, obviously they thought they could at least compete with him or else they would have brought in someone else. And that bothers me a lot. Expecting to win with a guy, and “just give yourself a chance to be in the game” are two entirely different things. Your backup is expected to be the latter, and the guy you trot out as a starter should also at least fall into that category.
Especially with the bye in there, someone else could have brought in with 2 weeks to learn the offense and be behind Sam if he was healthy or at least try and compete if he wasnt
Post by: insanity on October 13, 2019, 07:21:03 AM
No one could've won with Luke Falk at QB.I could have
Post by: dcm1602 on October 13, 2019, 08:03:08 AM
No one is arguing that. What I would be arguing is, why is he the next choice? I get him being the backup for Cleveland, assuming Trevor would survive and he knows the offense. But when we knew Siemian was out and needed somebody for at least another week and quite possibly longer why did we say freak it we will stay with Falk. That’s on the coach and/or the GM, obviously they thought they could at least compete with him or else they would have brought in someone else. And that bothers me a lot. Expecting to win with a guy, and “just give yourself a chance to be in the game” are two entirely different things. Your backup is expected to be the latter, and the guy you trot out as a starter should also at least fall into that category.
Especially with the bye in there, someone else could have brought in with 2 weeks to learn the offense and be behind Sam if he was healthy or at least try and compete if he wasnt
I mean I do kind of understand why they went with him at New England. He fairly okayish against the Browns considering the circumstances. Against New England he didn't even look like a QB though. Definitely should have replaced him during the bye week after that. Even if they fully expected Darnold to start against Philly, it was clear Falk wasn't backup QB material
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 13, 2019, 09:01:34 AM
No one is arguing that. What I would be arguing is, why is he the next choice? I get him being the backup for Cleveland, assuming Trevor would survive and he knows the offense. But when we knew Siemian was out and needed somebody for at least another week and quite possibly longer why did we say freak it we will stay with Falk. That’s on the coach and/or the GM, obviously they thought they could at least compete with him or else they would have brought in someone else. And that bothers me a lot. Expecting to win with a guy, and “just give yourself a chance to be in the game” are two entirely different things. Your backup is expected to be the latter, and the guy you trot out as a starter should also at least fall into that category.
Especially with the bye in there, someone else could have brought in with 2 weeks to learn the offense and be behind Sam if he was healthy or at least try and compete if he wasnt
He actually looked ok against Cleveland. I understand them giving him a chance to prove himself in another game. A few second or third stringers have done it this season.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 13, 2019, 11:01:48 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2019, 11:13:48 AM
You can absolutely criticize them for not bringing in another QB after the bye. They must have not thought a veteran would have been worth it for 1 week of playing. Maybe Falk looked good in practice.
Yeah, Gase and Douglas screwed up after Siemian went down.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 13, 2019, 05:44:04 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2019, 06:25:03 PM
We should really consider extending Gase before his rates sky rocketLet’s trade him while his value is pointing up
Post by: dcm1602 on October 13, 2019, 06:26:33 PM
Let’s trade him while his value is pointing up
Last time we traded a HC didn't work out for us
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 13, 2019, 06:45:59 PM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on October 13, 2019, 06:49:29 PM
Nobody is crowning Gase. But he deserved a shot with Darnold before Jets fans made their judgments on him. This was what we were looking for when we hired him. Hopefully we can keep this up.
This is the rational and correct take.
1, 4 or 5 games is a way too small of a sample size to evaluate the job Gase has done here.
Post by: insanity on October 13, 2019, 07:14:30 PM
We should really consider extending Gase before his rates sky rocket
You aren't aloud to joke a out this
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2019, 07:25:17 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2019, 07:35:04 PM
Post by: Ornstein on October 13, 2019, 07:51:29 PM
Last time we traded a HC didn't work out for us
They got a fourth round pick for giving Edwards to KC which was used to draft Leon Washington. I think it worked well.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 13, 2019, 07:54:45 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 13, 2019, 08:14:32 PM
Post by: Pope on October 13, 2019, 09:35:40 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2019, 10:58:29 PM
Great job by Gase giving Darnold 2 weeks of practice so he was ready to go from the jump. Those extra reps helped.
All credit goes to the sacrificial lamb Luke Falk
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2019, 07:39:00 AM
All credit goes to the sacrificial lamb Luke FalkAnd some credit to Greg Dortch....just because
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 14, 2019, 07:45:41 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 14, 2019, 07:50:44 AM
I said this yesterday, and I'll repeat it here. I'm happy to be completely wrong about one thing. Sam Darnold changes everything. He really is that good.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2019, 08:52:34 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 14, 2019, 09:13:35 AM
3 points in the 2nd half gives me pause but then again the cunts in black and white made the game closer.
There was definitely a zebra issue, but you have to score more than 3 in the second half after you scored 3 TDs in the first half.
If they converted that 2-pointer, the outcome of the game would've probably been a lot different.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 14, 2019, 09:50:52 AM
In all seriousness though, I'm not ready to get on board the Gase bandwagon. Yeah, that was an amazing game and fun to watch, but they didn't score a TD in the second half. It really seems, much like the last two coaching staffs, that halftime adjustments aren't a thing with this team.
I said this yesterday, and I'll repeat it here. I'm happy to be completely wrong about one thing. Sam Darnold changes everything. He really is that good.
They would have scored if Sam didn’t throw that INT, but yeah, too soon to be a Gase fan. If we were arguing that 4 games was to small a sample to reach a conclusion, 1 game is even less.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 14, 2019, 02:44:20 PM
The one drive just had a bad int, and another looked like we were going to score but killed ourselves with a shitty penalty.
At the end of the day we only scored 3 points, but we should have had 3 scoring drives in the half just had a bad decision and penalty to kill us
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 14, 2019, 02:56:48 PM
If we were arguing that 4 games was to small a sample to reach a conclusion, 1 game is even less.
You can always use the old Mike & The Mad Dog technique and "throw out" the one game that doesn't fit your argument.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 14, 2019, 03:26:57 PM
3 points in the 2nd half gives me pause but then again the cunts in black and white made the game closer.I blame the defense more for that than anything else. Dallas had the ball all the time in the 2nd half.
2nd half drives
- 9 plays, 64 yards, Int
- 5 plays, 13 yards, Punt
- 7 plays, 57 yards, FG
- 3 kneeldowns, end of game
The first drive would have resulted in points if Sam didn't get picked. The 2nd drive wasn't good, but the 3rd drive was exactly what we needed to win the game. We needed points badly on the 3rd drive, and we got them. 7 would have been better than 3, but 3 made it a game where worst case scenario, we went to OT.
Hard to score that many points when you only have 3 drives to deal with.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 14, 2019, 08:08:50 PM
I blame the defense more for that than anything else. Dallas had the ball all the time in the 2nd half.
2nd half drives
- 9 plays, 64 yards, Int
- 5 plays, 13 yards, Punt
- 7 plays, 57 yards, FG
- 3 kneeldowns, end of game
The first drive would have resulted in points if Sam didn't get picked. The 2nd drive wasn't good, but the 3rd drive was exactly what we needed to win the game. We needed points badly on the 3rd drive, and we got them. 7 would have been better than 3, but 3 made it a game where worst case scenario, we went to OT.
Hard to score that many points when you only have 3 drives to deal with.
Was the second drive the one where we made a huge play with a stupid penalty effectively killing the drive?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 21, 2019, 11:13:38 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2019, 12:05:36 AM
Adam Gase, offensive genius, unable to counter the same blitz all game long even onceIt's not what you want .
Post by: Johnny English on October 22, 2019, 12:11:56 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 22, 2019, 08:27:35 AM
I'm so glad we finally have an offensive head coach able to call up plays to counteract defensive schemes and develop our franchise quarterback the way we've been crying out for. Aren't we all in such a happy place now?
Don't worry, when he has an entirely healthy roster he's going to turn everything around.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 22, 2019, 08:38:55 AM
"We gotta put the ball in the endzone here. You know what to do. Just trust yourself."
Regular Abraham Lincoln, this guy.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2019, 08:42:07 AM
I wanted to give Gase a chance, but he's done. The one prime directive he had was to develop our franchise QB, and that took a major hit last night.
I'm hoping New Yorkers put up the same billboards that took down Idzik for this clown.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 22, 2019, 08:53:25 AM
I honestly don't know how Gase gets another year after that display last night. I don't want to hear about the oline or this roster in general...there are other teams with shittier situations than ours (Giants, Phins) that put up a better fight against the pats than we did.
I wanted to give Gase a chance, but he's done. The one prime directive he had was to develop our franchise QB, and that took a major hit last night.
I'm hoping New Yorkers put up the same billboards that took down Idzik for this clown.
I'm wrong enough of the time that I refrain from playing the "I told you so" game, and that's not what I'm doing here. I just want to reiterate that I saw a mirror image with Gase as I did with Maccagnan last year. You have to cut bait before you let the guy make more mistakes that take years to make up for.
If nothing else, he put the franchise QB's health at risk last night and that should be a fireable offense, never mind the non-existent gameplan.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2019, 08:55:02 AM
We should start flying planes around MetLife stadium to fire Joe Douglas. This franchise hasn't won a single game with him as GM. He's literally the worst GM in all of sports of all time.
Idzik would be better
Hell Woody Johnson should just give the team to James Dolan. Even he's never hired a GM as freaking terrible as Joe Douglas
Can we freaking cut Quinnen Williams too? freaking dude is making all this money and can't even stay on the field. Holy freak such a wasted draft pick. Gholston was better, at least he occasionally got on the field
Am I doing it right?
*dcm mode engaged*
last night was all Joe Douglas's fault
*dcm mode disengaged*
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 22, 2019, 10:11:29 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2019, 10:17:24 AM
Whoever said it wasn't a good idea to allow Matt Rhule to pick his own staff should be fired into the sun.
Post by: Johnny English on October 22, 2019, 10:36:29 AM
It's all over twitter about Gase still being Douglas's guy. I'm pretty sure the loyalty will be tested, especially after that debacle last night. Gase is clearly in over his head, and the excrement we saw last year in Miami certainly wasn't an anomaly. That is confirmed. No argument required. Belichick prison-raped Gase on national TV.
Whoever said it wasn't a good idea to allow Matt Rhule to pick his own staff should be fired into the sun.
Amongst all the excrement we've seen so far this season, last night was by far the most depressing and hopeless performance. Darnold looked like Falk out there. This is on Gase.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2019, 10:38:38 AM
Amongst all the excrement we've seen so far this season, last night was by far the most depressing and hopeless performance. Darnold looked like Falk out there. This is on Gase.Last night was by far the worst night of the year because Darnold actually played and was healthy. I thought Gase deserved a chance with Darnold. I still think he does - it's still October. But last night is a major red flag.
We don't have to fire him in October, so I want to see how the team responds to this. But obviously last night was a disaster and Gase deserves a lot of blame for that.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2019, 10:40:04 AM
Amongst all the excrement we've seen so far this season, last night was by far the most depressing and hopeless performance. Darnold looked like Falk out there. This is on Gase.
Not having an answer for that blitz package should get him fired. It was amateur hour last night...and this time he doesn't have Falk to throw under the bus.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 22, 2019, 10:42:30 AM
Here's my worry, if you can't at least have a sensible game plan against BB then what good are you as a coach of this team? I didn't want him like MB, I didn't fall in love with him like MB, so I don't have to admit I was totally and completely wrong like MB, so I guess there's that.
To the above point, this roster sucks whales balls we all know it. They haven't drafted well in a freaking dogs age, that's a given.
To those two points, What we do expect is a modicum of competent coaching, a competitive team that plays hard and is in general not an easy out. With the understanding the better teams are just going to beat the Jets but not easily. This year outside of 2 games have we seen this? What I see is a coach in over his head and not coaching the team up, almost coaching them down. He is just an offensive minded Todd Bowles.
Also, I don't like the way Osemele was treated, it's telling about Gase and management in general. It's a bad look, even though it's probably no different than what most teams do. However, taken in conjunction with the myriad of other stuff, I don't like, it gives me pause as to having any hope they will turn around this treadmill of excrement we have to watch every year.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2019, 10:43:57 AM
You guys know what's going to happen, the Jets will do much better against the easiest part of the schedule. They will finish 6-10 or 7-9 and because all the wins happen at the end, Gase will be the coach next year.
Here's my worry, if you can't at least have a sensible game plan against BB then what good are you as a coach of this team? I didn't want him like MB, I didn't fall in love with him like MB, so I don't have to admit I was totally and completely wrong like MB, so I guess there's that.
To the above point, this roster sucks whales balls we all know it. They haven't drafted well in a freaking dogs age, that's a given.
To those two points, What we do expect is a modicum of competent coaching, a competitive team that plays hard and is in general not an easy out. With the understanding the better teams are just going to beat the Jets but not easily. This year outside of 2 games have we seen this? What I see is a coach in over his head and not coaching the team up, almost coaching them down. He is just an offensive minded Todd Bowles.
Also I don't like the way Osemele was treated, it's telling about Gase and management in general. It's a bad look, it's probably no different than what most teams do. However, taken in conjunction with all the myriad of other stuff I don't like it gives me pause as to having any hope they will turn around this treadmill of excrement we have to watch every year.
I didn't want Gase. I was willing to give him a chance. That's a big difference.
He failed miserably.
My first choice was Matt Rhule...
Post by: Miamipuck on October 22, 2019, 10:47:38 AM
I didn't want Gase. I was willing to give him a chance. That's a big difference.
He failed miserably.
Next tailgate you're going to have to wear an I love Adam Gase hat and sit in the corner.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 22, 2019, 10:49:39 AM
This bug eyed freak is not qualified and in way over his head. He needs to GTFO of here
Post by: ScotlandJet on October 22, 2019, 10:50:15 AM
I didn't want Gase. I was willing to give him a chance. That's a big difference.
He failed miserably.
You guys know what's going to happen, the Jets will do much better against the easiest part of the schedule. They will finish 6-10 or 7-9 and because all the wins happen at the end, Gase will be the coach next year.
Here's my worry, if you can't at least have a sensible game plan against BB then what good are you as a coach of this team? I didn't want him like MB, I didn't fall in love with him like MB, so I don't have to admit I was totally and completely wrong like MB, so I guess there's that.
To the above point, this roster sucks whales balls we all know it. They haven't drafted well in a freaking dogs age, that's a given.
To those two points, What we do expect is a modicum of competent coaching, a competitive team that plays hard and is in general not an easy out. With the understanding the better teams are just going to beat the Jets but not easily. This year outside of 2 games have we seen this? What I see is a coach in over his head and not coaching the team up, almost coaching them down. He is just an offensive minded Todd Bowles.
Also, I don't like the way Osemele was treated, it's telling about Gase and management in general. It's a bad look, even though it's probably no different than what most teams do. However, taken in conjunction with the myriad of other stuff, I don't like, it gives me pause as to having any hope they will turn around this treadmill of excrement we have to watch every year.
I usually find something disparaging to commment on about your posts but quiet frankly this is probably your most cerebral post ever and exactly how I feel. Bravo sir.
This ever revolving excrement show really makes the Rex years look like we had a Dynasty back then.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2019, 10:56:53 AM
Thanks Petrozza.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2019, 10:59:51 AM
If it continues like this, I will join all of you in calling for his head. There are still 10 games to evaluate him. Obviously, I'm not sold on Gase, and I'm leaning towards thinking he won't be the answer here, but I think he deserves more games before I make a concrete judgment.
Post by: ScotlandJet on October 22, 2019, 11:05:16 AM
Personally, I don't think it matters whether or not I wanted him. I'm willing to admit that I don't know for sure. I can't judge him based on what happened in Miami. There was some good and some bad, and you could have made a case he was dealt a bad hand in Miami. So I gave him a clean slate here.
If it continues like this, I will join all of you in calling for his head. There are still 10 games to evaluate him. Obviously, I'm not sold on Gase, and I'm leaning towards thinking he won't be the answer here, but I think he deserves more games before I make a concrete judgment.
That's a fair shout but nothing good comes of a coach falling behind the 8 ball early. The whole Jet Nation is having serious doubts about Gaze and after the Bowles saga no one is getting a pass for long. If we stick this out and start next year on the back foot after early defeats on what will be a pretty hard schedule who knows what the pressure will be like on him. We're fucked.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2019, 11:07:10 AM
Personally, I don't think it matters whether or not I wanted him. I'm willing to admit that I don't know for sure. I can't judge him based on what happened in Miami. There was some good and some bad, and you could have made a case he was dealt a bad hand in Miami. So I gave him a clean slate here.
If it continues like this, I will join all of you in calling for his head. There are still 10 games to evaluate him. Obviously, I'm not sold on Gase, and I'm leaning towards thinking he won't be the answer here, but I think he deserves more games before I make a concrete judgment.
he wasn't competitive at all against a major division rival, even more so with our franchise QB in the lineup. Losing stinks, but losing in that fashion is a fireable offense...especially when he blamed his 3rd stringer after the first meeting.
I don't care if he can beat the Bengals or Jags or whatever other excrement team left on our schedule. That won't tell us anything.
Gase is Kotite 2.0
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2019, 11:09:55 AM
That's a fair shout but nothing good comes of a coach falling behind the 8 ball early. The whole Jet Nation is having serious doubts about Gaze and after the Bowles saga no one is getting a pass for long. If we stick this out and start next year on the back foot after early defeats on what will be a pretty hard schedule who knows what the pressure will be like on him. We're fucked.I jumped off the Bowles bandwagon before pretty much anyone else on this board. I wanted him fired year 2. I'm willing to give up on a bad coach early if I think he's bad. I don't like what I've seen from Gase, but I still think it's too early.
A lot of teams have gotten embarrassed by the Patriots this season. Every Jets coach that has been here as long as I've been alive has gotten embarrassed by the Patriots at some point. Maybe I'm just used to it.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2019, 11:13:33 AM
I jumped off the Bowles bandwagon before pretty much anyone else on this board.
you can hold my beer, sir.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2019, 11:18:58 AM
you can hold my beer, sir.You and I were the earliest ones.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2019, 11:28:22 AM
You and I were the earliest ones.
My last grain of hope resides with Joe Douglas. I really hope he comes as advertised...and he strings together a few good drafts.
Gase needs to go though. I really hope Joe sees what Gase brings to the table, and lobbies to get rid of him.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 22, 2019, 11:34:37 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 22, 2019, 11:37:17 AM
Sam's a more gifted player, but the last franchise QB of this team was wrecked once he started hearing footsteps.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2019, 11:40:38 AM
Sam Darnold was caught on mic literally saying he was seeing ghosts out there. And Adam Gase let him continue to get beat by that defense, neither making simpler playcalls nor sitting him down.
Sam's a more gifted player, but the last franchise QB of this team was wrecked once he started hearing footsteps.
They have to look at the film and get better from it, there's no other way. Darnold could play 12 years in the NFL and not see a defense, team and coach better than what he saw last night. Can't be scared away by it, look at it and take it on.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 22, 2019, 11:45:54 AM
They have to look at the film and get better from it, there's no other way. Darnold could play 12 years in the NFL and not see a defense, team and coach better than what he saw last night. Can't be scared away by it, look at it and take it on.
What do you honestly feel Darnold learned in the fourth quarter last night?
I understand the idea of learning, and even into the third quarter he should keep playing. But by the fourth quarter the game was over and the defense was just in full-on attack mode. What did Sam learn? How to take 2 steps, then throw randomly off his back foot? Okay, he'll watch the film and say "Yeah, that's bad. I shouldn't have done that." Wonderful. Maybe next he'll get caught in a blizzard in swim trunks. That'll teach him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2019, 11:52:46 AM
What do you honestly feel Darnold learned in the fourth quarter last night?I said during the game I would have been fine pulling him as early as the 3rd quarter.
I understand the idea of learning, and even into the third quarter he should keep playing. But by the fourth quarter the game was over and the defense was just in full-on attack mode. What did Sam learn? How to take 2 steps, then throw randomly off his back foot? Okay, he'll watch the film and say "Yeah, that's bad. I shouldn't have done that." Wonderful. Maybe next he'll get caught in a blizzard in swim trunks. That'll teach him.
But you can make the case that if he can't recover from this, he was never going to be the guy anyway.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2019, 12:04:48 PM
What do you honestly feel Darnold learned in the fourth quarter last night?
I understand the idea of learning, and even into the third quarter he should keep playing. But by the fourth quarter the game was over and the defense was just in full-on attack mode. What did Sam learn? How to take 2 steps, then throw randomly off his back foot? Okay, he'll watch the film and say "Yeah, that's bad. I shouldn't have done that." Wonderful. Maybe next he'll get caught in a blizzard in swim trunks. That'll teach him.
In real time he learned to tough it out in the worst of circumstances, on film there's that much more to look at. I'd have been fine with pulling him if we had anyone viable to go in, but I'm also ok with leaving him in. I thought in the 4th quarter he made a few good throws, there were some drops, some penalties, but you can't just say freak it, I'm out.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2019, 12:07:23 PM
But you can make the case that if he can't recover from this, he was never going to be the guy anyway.
Exactly. He came out relatively healthy, that's the biggest worry when you leave a valuable guy in a game like that. You can't be a hoo-ha, look at the film, go out this week in practice and be ready for Sunday. It's the NFL, we're 1-5, this is part of the process. I'd love to have seen a shootout with Sam playing like he did vs Dallas, but that wasn't the case vs Belichick and a 6-0 team. Ok, his career doesn't end here.
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2019, 12:11:11 PM
"You know what to do. Just trust yourself."
Gonna start saying this to my kids when they have a shitfit over me asking them do something on their own.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2019, 12:38:14 PM
Gonna start saying this to my kids when they have a shitfit over me asking them do something on their own.
I tell players that. If you did the work in practice, you have to trust yourself to execute it in the game. There's only so much you can say in the heat of the moment.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 22, 2019, 12:40:18 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 22, 2019, 12:43:19 PM
"Your honor, I trusted him not to put his hand in the blender. He's better than that"
Gonna start saying this to my kids when they have a shitfit over me asking them do something on their own.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 22, 2019, 12:54:12 PM
I said during the game I would have been fine pulling him as early as the 3rd quarter.
But you can make the case that if he can't recover from this, he was never going to be the guy anyway.
Certainly, he should be able to bounce back from one rough outing against an elite defense, but there was no reason to keep him out there, especially when Gase clearly had no plan to make the kid's life any easier.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2019, 01:31:56 PM
Post by: insanity on October 22, 2019, 11:17:55 PM
I actually don't believe this. Just posting because Cowherd is a douche
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2019, 11:41:28 PM
Cowherd said today that Gase and Williams don't get along.Nothing would surprise me but I dont blame the defense for being upset.
I actually don't believe this. Just posting because Cowherd is a douche
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 23, 2019, 07:01:59 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 23, 2019, 07:53:28 AM
Gase: “I haven’t found the formula yet to make us anything close to consistent.”
the guy supposedly doesn't sleep...what the freak is he doing?
Post by: bojanglesman on October 23, 2019, 09:01:37 AM
the guy supposed doesn't sleep...what the freak is he doing?
Constant masturbation.
Post by: MBGreen on October 23, 2019, 09:10:57 AM
Constant masturbation.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191023/b3c7c22285488fe4d03c0b8a7b51dbac.jpg)
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 23, 2019, 01:52:15 PM
Cowherd said today that Gase and Williams don't get along.
I actually don't believe this. Just posting because Cowherd is a douche
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. Why would anyone be surprised people don't like Gase? And it's not like Greg Williams is mister popularity himself.
Relatedly, it's awesome that we're at the circus stage six freaking games into the new regime!
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 23, 2019, 01:52:24 PM
Gase: “I haven’t found the formula yet to make us anything close to consistent.”
Formula:
- Consistency = Jets - head coach
That's the most consistent thing about this team. That and losing records.
Post by: insanity on October 23, 2019, 05:33:13 PM
Can you name 10 current coaches you would be happy to coach the jets?
Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2019, 06:57:32 PM
Here's an experiment.
Can you name 10 current coaches you would be happy to coach the jets?
We don't need ten coaches, we need one. Assuming you're asking the question in the context of who is actually available, then no, I can't name ten. Because no one who's good is available right now.
I would definitely be on the phone to Michigan right now though to see whether they think Jim is going to be their guy long term, and ask them to let me be the first one to know if they're going to give him the push.
Post by: insanity on October 23, 2019, 07:16:39 PM
We don't need ten coaches, we need one. Assuming you're asking the question in the context of who is actually available, then no, I can't name ten. Because no one who's good is available right now.
I would definitely be on the phone to Michigan right now though to see whether they think Jim is going to be their guy long term, and ask them to let me be the first one to know if they're going to give him the push.
I'm not asking that. I'm asking. Can you name 10 current nfl coaches you would be happy as the head coach of the jets? I'll start it off.
Bellicheat
Shanahan
Mcvay
Tomlin
....
Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2019, 07:32:06 PM
I'm not asking that. I'm asking. Can you name 10 current nfl coaches you would be happy as the head coach of the jets? I'll start it off.
Bellicheat
Shanahan
Mcvay
Tomlin
....
You said "current coaches" and now you're saying "current NFL coaches". Which do you mean?
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2019, 07:35:36 PM
Here's an experiment.Harbaugh
Can you name 10 current coaches you would be happy to coach the jets?
Reid
Tomlin
BO'B
Payton
Pederson
...
By current do you mean currently HC in the NFL? Does it include college coaches? By happy do you mean content or legit excited?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 23, 2019, 08:37:15 PM
https://twitter.com/lriddickespn/status/1186664305967747073?s=21
Post by: dcm1602 on October 23, 2019, 08:46:14 PM
Harbaugh
Reid
Tomlin
BO'B
Payton
Pederson
...
By current do you mean currently HC in the NFL? Does it include college coaches? By happy do you mean content or legit excited?
BB Harbs Reid Payton Morrone McVay are it for me.
Maybe Pete Caroll
The first two would probably be my top 2 choices
Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2019, 09:00:51 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 23, 2019, 09:08:48 PM
If we're just going current NFL head coaches, I can't list you ten I wouldn't have over Gase. He's in the bottom tier of coaches I would want nothing to do with, along with Vrabel and Kitchens. There are no other current NFL head coaches that I do not think are better than Gase. In fact, I'd take Vrabel and Kitchens as co-ordinators but I can't say the same for Gase. On that basis I think Gase is the worst head coach in the NFL.
Freddie Kitchens is worse than Adam Gase
Look at how much talent they have and the results
Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2019, 09:14:47 PM
Freddie Kitchens is worse than Adam Gase
Look at how much talent they have and the results
Like I said, I wouldn't have either of them as head coach. Kitchens at least did OK as OC last season.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 23, 2019, 09:18:01 PM
It's not like he's schotty or Sporano
(he obviously will never be just an oc here so it's a moot point)
But he was oc for one of the greatest offenses of all time
Post by: insanity on October 23, 2019, 10:45:44 PM
I'm not happy with Gase right now, but I also realize this team is trash. I dont know what's better letting a coach work through issues and get his guys or keep taking shots at new coaches. I usually lean towards the former, but this team just hasn't looked prepared offensively.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 24, 2019, 10:27:08 AM
Just trying to make a point that our fanbase would likely not be happy with atleast half of the coaches who are currently coaching an NFL team. What that means is that our expectations of coaches and what they are capable is likely too high.
I'm not happy with Gase right now, but I also realize this team is trash. I dont know what's better letting a coach work through issues and get his guys or keep taking shots at new coaches. I usually lean towards the former, but this team just hasn't looked prepared offensively.
I understand your point, but I don't think it's a fair one.
Most coaches, likely even Belichick, would be losing with this roster. But how many would be getting absolutely embarrassed is the question. As you said, this team looks completely unprepared offensively, and have we yet seen one in-game adjustment from this staff?
First, the excuse was that Sam and Moseley were out. They were both back and still got thoroughly beaten from the first tick of the clock.
I hate the coaching carousel. Every one is an organizational setback. The question I'm posing is: does Adam Gase show enough of anything to warrant giving him additional years and roster decisions that if they don't pan out, we're a couple of more years into Darnold's development to start all over once again?
Unless you firmly believe Gase can turn things around, you have to start over ASAP. Not wait another year or two and hope he "figures out the formula."
Post by: mj2sexay on October 24, 2019, 10:45:02 AM
Jamal Adams liked this tweet 😰
https://twitter.com/lriddickespn/status/1186664305967747073?s=21
Except they did have a plan for it. The QB called it out. Literally went up to the line and called out the blitz and the protection. Its his or the Gase's fault that our offensive line decided to do freak all about it?
By the way, amazing how good Aaron Rodgers looks again now that McCarthy is out of there. For all those who were pounding that table.
Ten games of evaluation to go.
Post by: insanity on October 24, 2019, 11:51:02 AM
I understand your point, but I don't think it's a fair one.After watching some of the all 22 clips it looks like half the blame is on the o line not picking up assignments sam is calling out.
Most coaches, likely even Belichick, would be losing with this roster. But how many would be getting absolutely embarrassed is the question. As you said, this team looks completely unprepared offensively, and have we yet seen one in-game adjustment from this staff?
First, the excuse was that Sam and Moseley were out. They were both back and still got thoroughly beaten from the first tick of the clock.
I hate the coaching carousel. Every one is an organizational setback. The question I'm posing is: does Adam Gase show enough of anything to warrant giving him additional years and roster decisions that if they don't pan out, we're a couple of more years into Darnold's development to start all over once again?
Unless you firmly believe Gase can turn things around, you have to start over ASAP. Not wait another year or two and hope he "figures out the formula."
On the other handing. Going 3 wide we with an empty backfield doesnt help anyone
Post by: bojanglesman on October 24, 2019, 12:11:22 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 24, 2019, 12:50:41 PM
Gase could redeem himself in my book by dying in a fire.
FYP
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 24, 2019, 02:20:50 PM
After watching some of the all 22 clips it looks like half the blame is on the o line not picking up assignments sam is calling out.
On the other handing. Going 3 wide we with an empty backfield doesnt help anyone
Yeah, certainly there is a glaring problem with the line being 5 bags of rotten meat. But it's on the coaches to fix that. Whether that's getting someone else in there, or coming up with formations that protect the QB, it's on the staff to address.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 25, 2019, 02:30:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 25, 2019, 07:44:19 PM
Because we're the Jets, my assumption is that we're going to win enough games down the stretch to justify to ownership retaining Gase for another season and then he'll promptly run himself out of town next year.
Yeah, already resigned myself to that one. He was 23-25 with a bunch of excuses at Miami. He's going to be 5-11 with a bunch of excuses for us and we're going to keep living this excrement with his awful playcalling and dickhead coaches for another season.
Post by: insanity on October 25, 2019, 11:36:27 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 26, 2019, 04:51:43 AM
I really like the way greg William's talks about building a team and preparing his defense for a game in his press conferences. Dare I'd say I'd be interested in him being our head coach.
issue becomes can you find an elite offensive mind capable of turning Darnold into a star, yet isn't capable of getting a HC job himself? Won't be easy, and I certainly don't think Greg Williams is that man
Post by: insanity on October 26, 2019, 07:05:13 AM
issue becomes can you find an elite offensive mind capable of turning Darnold into a star, yet isn't capable of getting a HC job himself? Won't be easy, and I certainly don't think Greg Williams is that man
Paul hackett?
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2019, 07:15:48 AM
Post by: insanity on October 26, 2019, 08:44:37 AM
TBH I'm a little bored of us constantly searching for the next bright young thing, and consistently turning up duds. I'd be entirely happy to entrust Sam's development to an older head, someone who has been there and done it all before. My optimal scenario is that Michigan gives up on Jim Harbaugh, but I'd not be unhappy with someone like Gary Kubiak.Agreed. We dont need a homerun. With Sam we need a double
Post by: IATA on October 26, 2019, 01:31:27 PM
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2019, 03:18:44 PM
https://twitter.com/JCaporoso/status/1188550079755493376?s=09
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 27, 2019, 03:36:46 PM
I don't hold Miami against him as much as a lot of people, and he's been dealt a terrible hand here, but if Darnold doesn't turn it around by the end of the season, he's going to be a one-and-done.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 27, 2019, 03:39:44 PM
Gase has more double-digit losses as a head coach than wins. It's not what you want.
I don't hold Miami against him as much as a lot of people, and he's been dealt a terrible hand here, but if Darnold doesn't turn it around by the end of the season, he's going to be a one-and-done.
We will also be drafting top 3 and trying to decide if we should be trading the pick to a QB needy team or taking a QB and trading Sam to a QB needy team.
freak everything about even having to entertain that thought
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 27, 2019, 03:43:06 PM
We will also be drafting top 3 and trying to decide if we should be trading the pick to a QB needy team or taking a QB and trading Sam to a QB needy team.If we're picking top 3, is Sam going to even have trade value at that point?
freak everything about even having to entertain that thought
Post by: bojanglesman on October 27, 2019, 03:45:34 PM
Post by: insanity on October 27, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
We will also be drafting top 3 and trying to decide if we should be trading the pick to a QB needy team or taking a QB and trading Sam to a QB needy team.You stop it with that nonsense
freak everything about even having to entertain that thought
Post by: insanity on October 27, 2019, 03:49:22 PM
Post by: Jumbo on October 27, 2019, 03:50:51 PM
Would you take josh McDaniels as a head coach?
absolutely not. And he would never come here anyway so it's a moot point
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2019, 03:51:37 PM
If we're picking top 3, is Sam going to even have trade value at that point?What did the Cards get for Rosen again?
Post by: MBGreen on October 27, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Would you take josh McDaniels as a head coach?At this point I’d take Schotty
Just kidding
Well Maybe
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2019, 03:54:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 27, 2019, 04:00:17 PM
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2019, 04:08:08 PM
Lost: Nothing of value, right?
And somehow we're worse
Post by: reuben on October 27, 2019, 04:11:10 PM
Added: Bell, Crowder, DT
Lost: Nothing of value, right?
And somehow we're worse
This. Same talent on the offensive line from last year. When you make Jeremy Bates look resourceful...
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2019, 04:11:38 PM
This. Same talent on the offensive line from last year. When you make Jeremy Bates look resourceful...Yeah, we shuffled a few guys around but pretty much the same talent level
Post by: MBGreen on October 27, 2019, 04:15:18 PM
Added: Bell, Crowder, DT, Loggains
Lost: Nothing of value, right?
And somehow we're worse
FYP
You forgot the most important ingredient to this excrement sandwich recipe
Post by: insanity on October 27, 2019, 04:18:08 PM
Instead he goes 5 wide
Post by: bojanglesman on October 27, 2019, 04:27:57 PM
Post by: reuben on October 27, 2019, 04:31:09 PM
I'm holding out hope that Darnold looks so bad because of the line in front of him and that's it. I'd like to think that if he had an average line he'd be playing ok right now.
Of course he would. He's a 22-year old kid who's being tasked with saving an entire offense.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 27, 2019, 04:31:38 PM
We will also be drafting top 3 and trying to decide if we should be trading the pick to a QB needy team or taking a QB and trading Sam to a QB needy team.
freak everything about even having to entertain that thought
There’s absolutely zero chance we trade Darnold and pick a QB
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 27, 2019, 04:36:18 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 27, 2019, 04:39:08 PM
I don't think it's fair to say the OL is the same as last year. We had a new OG in Osemele. We had a new C in Kalil/Harrison. Beachum is injured. The OL is a lot different than last year.
I was just about to post this.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 27, 2019, 04:40:17 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 27, 2019, 04:42:00 PM
We need to invest as many resources as possible into the offensive line this offseason.I don't want a single freaking one of these linemen back to start. Maybe Edoga and Harrison as a backups. Burn down the line.
Post by: insanity on October 27, 2019, 04:42:47 PM
Post by: reuben on October 27, 2019, 05:06:37 PM
I don't think it's fair to say the OL is the same as last year. We had a new OG in Osemele. We had a new C in Kalil/Harrison. Beachum is injured. The OL is a lot different than last year.
Right but Beachum being out is pretty new. Shell, Harrison, Winters, and Beach were all here and the coaching staff decided they had better options. The results have been laughable.
I have no problem with the Kalil overpay but if he hasn't taken his last starting snap at center, then that's another shitfeather in Gase and Co.'s shitcap. Dude sucks and he has made everyone dumber.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 27, 2019, 05:32:50 PM
You stop it with that nonsense
I don't want Sam traded. But how can you not see the following scenario as a possibility right now.
We finish 2-14 or 3-13 splitting with the Fins/Bengals where Sam either continues to look shell-shocked or continuing to make many more poor decisions than a top QB should. We finish with a bottom 3 offense in virtually all categories.
Gase is fired as we are picking either #2 or #3 overall.
New guy comes in, and much like with Kingsbury a year ago, he wants to fully evaluate the guys he can draft
to see if they are better than Sam is currently. That's when the debate can rage between trading down (showing faith in Sam to grow) and taking a new guy and shipping Sam off to the NFC somewhere.
I think it would be completely ridiculous to happen, but based on our play this season so far. I don't know how you can't see that scenario of Darnold not progressing leading to Gase's firing and the new guy questioning if Sam can be the guy or not.
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2019, 05:35:24 PM
There’s absolutely zero chance we trade Darnold and pick a QBI don't want to play this game, but...
What if Sam has no more good games the rest of the season and Gase actually does get fired. What if the new coach wants nothing to do with Darnold and sees a highly touted prospect QB as his ultimate model player?
I don't actually think this would happen, but after Rosen/Murray, there's a chance.
Post by: Johnny English on October 27, 2019, 05:38:10 PM
I don't want to play this game, but...
What if Sam has no more good games the rest of the season and Gase actually does get fired. What if the new coach wants nothing to do with Darnold and sees a highly touted prospect QB as his ultimate model player?
I don't actually think this would happen, but after Rosen/Murray, there's a chance.
Any new coach should be hired with the clear and specific mandate to develop Sam. I don't think there's a reasonable comparison to Kingsbury and Murray this season unless you think that Saban and Tua are our future, and I know you don't think that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 27, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
However, if he continues to struggle and we end up with a high draft pick, it's worth a discussion. Far too early for any of that though.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 27, 2019, 05:45:59 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 27, 2019, 05:46:26 PM
Any new coach should be hired with the clear and specific mandate to develop Sam. I don't think there's a reasonable comparison to Kingsbury and Murray this season unless you think that Saban and Tua are our future, and I know you don't think that.
I don't think that.
But Just for shits and giggles, If we really are 2-14 with our only other win being part of a split with Miami and we end up firing Gase and somehow luring the big name offensive guru that everyone seems to want right now, Lincoln Riley. You can't see him at least starting the debate if Sam is better than the guys he could pick might be?
Hell I can already see "replace the QB" bullshit starting on facebook, twitter and TGG. We all know the Johnson's historically can be swayed by fan pressure if it gets loud enough. So if Sam doesn't play well down the 'stretch' or misses time due to injury with this piece of excrement OL. You don't think he'd be open to the idea of "the next best thing" as his franchise QB? Especially given that Sam would net picks that would help with the rebuild?
I look at this group of QBs and think, no chance Sam doesn't end up better than those guys. But I am not in charge, and neither are you.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 27, 2019, 05:53:13 PM
Added: Bell, Crowder, DT
Lost: Nothing of value, right?
And somehow we're worse
Gase < Bowles
Post by: MBGreen on October 27, 2019, 05:55:44 PM
Gase < BowlesStop
Post by: bojanglesman on October 27, 2019, 06:13:20 PM
StopHypothetical: If you fire Gase you have to rehire Bowles. What do you do?
Post by: MBGreen on October 27, 2019, 06:14:13 PM
Hypothetical: If you fire Gase you have to rehire Bowles. What do you do?
Seppuku
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2019, 06:23:31 PM
Hypothetical: If you fire Gase you have to rehire Bowles. What do you do?I want to fight this post
Post by: Pope on October 27, 2019, 06:57:18 PM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on October 27, 2019, 07:19:41 PM
Let’s just forfeit the next game and call it a bye week
Why not just the next 9?
Post by: MBGreen on October 27, 2019, 07:20:45 PM
Why not just the next 9?Just forfeit every season until the Johnsons are dead
Post by: dcm1602 on October 27, 2019, 08:08:15 PM
It looked like a high-schools offensive line protecting Darnold. And our defense just got burnt on a lot of huge plays.
I absolutely think we need to start compiling a list of coaches and do our due diligence, and I think Gase is very likely going to be fired. But he's not the problem
Maybe we should hire an oline coach as our next HC. Bring Bill Callahan in for an interview
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 27, 2019, 08:15:26 PM
As awful as this game was, I can't see how you can blame GaseBringing an OL coach as the HC is stupid unless he's a great coach. Hiring Bill Callahan as head coach would be the height of stupidity.
It looked like a high-schools offensive line protecting Darnold. And our defense just got burnt on a lot of huge plays.
I absolutely think we need to start compiling a list of coaches and do our due diligence, and I think Gase is very likely going to be fired. But he's not the problem
Maybe we should hire an oline coach as our next HC. Bring Bill Callahan in for an interview
We just need a quality head coach. I would prefer an offensive head coach because I think they're more aggressive in general. I loved that Gase went for 2 on the touchdown today to cut the lead to 7. I want a coach who understands analytics. I'm not sure if Gase is that guy, but that was nice to see.
We fix the OL by bringing in new OL. Not by hiring Bill Callahan as head coach.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 27, 2019, 08:19:15 PM
Bringing an OL coach as the HC is stupid unless he's a great coach. Hiring Bill Callahan as head coach would be the height of stupidity.
We just need a quality head coach. I would prefer an offensive head coach because I think they're more aggressive in general. I loved that Gase went for 2 on the touchdown today to cut the lead to 7. I want a coach who understands analytics. I'm not sure if Gase is that guy, but that was nice to see.
We fix the OL by bringing in new OL. Not by hiring Bill Callahan as head coach.
I mean I was kidding about Callahan as I really don't wanna see a power running game as that's not optimal to develop Darnold. But I think someone who has experience developing and maintaining a strong OL is key
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 27, 2019, 10:18:58 PM
We will also be drafting top 3 and trying to decide if we should be trading the pick to a QB needy team or taking a QB and trading Sam to a QB needy team.
freak everything about even having to entertain that thought
No one is entertaining that thought besides you and possibly dcm. Kindly freak off before you think about posting something like that again
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 27, 2019, 10:23:57 PM
I don't think it's fair to say the OL is the same as last year. We had a new OG in Osemele. We had a new C in Kalil/Harrison. Beachum is injured. The OL is a lot different than last year.
We had a bottom tier OL last year and we have a bottom tier OL this year. It’s looked bad with Beachum playing and both centers playing. It’s relatively the same talent level, slightly less due to injury.
The biggest difference to me is that OL have no idea who they’re supposed to block at times, we have no answer for the blitz, and now adjustments when individual lineman are getting dominated in one on one matchups.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 27, 2019, 10:25:58 PM
Gase < Bowles
QFT
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 27, 2019, 10:28:45 PM
I don't want to play this game, but...
What if Sam has no more good games the rest of the season and Gase actually does get fired. What if the new coach wants nothing to do with Darnold and sees a highly touted prospect QB as his ultimate model player?
I don't actually think this would happen, but after Rosen/Murray, there's a chance.
Trading Sam Darnold for a 2nd round pick after giving him no chance to succeed and taking Tua or Fromm would legitimately make me think about giving up on this franchise
Post by: Miamipuck on October 27, 2019, 11:12:49 PM
Seppuku
Can you try it anyway? asking for a friend.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 27, 2019, 11:17:04 PM
No one is entertaining that thought besides you and possibly dcm. Kindly freak off before you think about posting something like that again
Trading Bell or Jamal I can hang with. Giving up on Darnold before year 5 barring something catastrophic or miraculous and I'm looking for a new team.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 27, 2019, 11:22:25 PM
We had a bottom tier OL last year and we have a bottom tier OL this year. It’s looked bad with Beachum playing and both centers playing. It’s relatively the same talent level, slightly less due to injury.
The biggest difference to me is that OL have no idea who they’re supposed to block at times, we have no answer for the blitz, and now adjustments when individual lineman are getting dominated in one on one matchups.
I mean the offense was more conservative under Bowles. And the rushing attack far more successful. I think we're trying to run an elite QB type offense when we should be running a Rex Ryan type offense. Too bad we aren't built for a power running game
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on October 28, 2019, 01:56:19 AM
I loved that Gase went for 2 on the touchdown today to cut the lead to 7. I want a coach who understands analytics. I'm not sure if Gase is that guy, but that was nice to see.
Your giving Gase way too much credit. The chart said to go for 2 at the start of the 4th quarter 20 freaking years ago, it's not like it's a new found trend with all this analytics hype we have nowadays. Any competent NFL head coach would go for 2 at that given situation, even some incompetent ones.
To another point, considering the discussion about the OL, it's shortcomings and the ways it supposedly handcuffs this team and coaching staff: how is it possible that the Cleveland Browns and Nick Chubb are able to run the ball with an equally inept offensive line, yet the Jets get excrement done with Le'Veon Bell?
It's the coaching staffs job to work around the weaknesses of the team, not freaking highlight them. I gave Gase some leeway when he was down to a practice squad QB who couldn't throw the ball past 5 yards downfield or read a basic cover 1 or 2 to save his life, but it's freaking inexcusable that this excrement looks the same or sometimes even worse with a potential frnachise QB back there. I mean the run game won't ever begin to work if your bell cow back gets 9 freaking carries in a game. Also, why are we constantly going 5 wide when it's known information around the league that the Jets O-line can't block more than 1.5 seconds?
This all falls on the coaching.
I never liked the Gase hire,, but was willing to give him a chance. After these 8 weeks I think I've seen enough. The only problem in canning him might be that Chris Johnson will prolly hire Greg Williams as the HC after his interim stint here. Good God...
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 28, 2019, 02:01:32 AM
It's impossible to be happy with the job he has done so far but I dont think 7 games is enough of a sample size given our injuries, roster and schedule. Since he is here at least 15 games this year anyway, I just think we still have time to learn whether or not he can be a decent coach here. I'm not overly optimistic but I also dont want to run a coach out of here after 7 games unless something extreme happened. We are close to that point but not yet.
The next few weeks, we know the schedule is easy. I want to see that high-flying offense we were promised in the preseason. The offense that Darnold called "unstoppable" when Herndon comes back. This is Gase's chance to turn Darnold's season around and build him up for next year. And if he cant do that, he will be gone.
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 07:29:32 AM
Can you try it anyway? asking for a friend.
you have no friends
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 28, 2019, 10:44:58 AM
What exactly is it going to take to convince you guys Gase is bad for this team?
It was really cool to see Gase throw Sam under the bus in his presser. Basically blamed Sam for changing the playcalls at the LOS too many times.
Remember when Gase got credit for "overachieving" with this guy:
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Titans' Ryan Tannehill: Wins second consecutive start
Tannehill completed 21 of 33 pass attempts for 193 yards and three touchdowns during Sunday's 27-23 win against the Buccaneers.
The 31-year-old signal-caller has offered a welcomed change of pace at the quarterback position for Tennessee, completing better than 70 percent of his passes and boasting a 5:1 TD:INT ratio in two games as the starter.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 28, 2019, 10:52:54 AM
you have no friends
Well the question stands.....
Post by: Miamipuck on October 28, 2019, 10:53:33 AM
I wanted to ask if everyone is finally on board the "fire Gase into the Sun" bandwagon, but it appears some people still aren't convinced.
What exactly is it going to take to convince you guys Gase is bad for this team?
It was really cool to see Gase throw Sam under the bus in his presser. Basically blamed Sam for changing the playcalls at the LOS too many times.
Remember when Gase got credit for "overachieving" with this guy:
Adam Gase offensive genius.
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 10:54:36 AM
I wanted to ask if everyone is finally on board the "fire Gase into the Sun" bandwagon, but it appears some people still aren't convinced.
What exactly is it going to take to convince you guys Gase is bad for this team?
It was really cool to see Gase throw Sam under the bus in his presser. Basically blamed Sam for changing the playcalls at the LOS too many times.
Remember when Gase got credit for "overachieving" with this guy:
I remember when people blamed Luke Falk for this
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 10:54:55 AM
Well the question stands.....
veto
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 28, 2019, 11:01:40 AM
I remember when people blamed Luke Falk for this
Don't worry, now it's the offensive line's fault.
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:04:00 AM
Don't worry, now it's the offensive line's fault.
They're certainly a big part of the problem.
Next week is pivotal. If the Phins win, Gase either goes sometime before the offseason or the Jets will be playing in front of an empty crowd next year.
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:07:02 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 28, 2019, 11:15:44 AM
They're certainly a big part of the problem.
Next week is pivotal. If the Phins win, Gase either goes sometime before the offseason or the Jets will be playing in front of an empty crowd next year.
The OL is a problem. But how much is purely the talent and how much is the coaching? It was discussed around here somewhere, but basically the same players from last year are markedly worse this year.
If the Jets lose next week, Gase better not be on the plane home.
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 11:19:19 AM
The OL is a problem. But how much is purely the talent and how much is the coaching? It was discussed around here somewhere, but basically the same players from last year are markedly worse this year.
If the Jets lose next week, Gase better not be on the plane home.
Every Phins player that was on the roster last season will want to shove a pine cone up Gase's derriere. Not to mention Fitzmagic won't hold back either. This is terrible, but i really don't like our chances next week.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 28, 2019, 12:12:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 12:23:33 PM
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He considered his time as the offensive coordinator in Denver, a time in which Peyton Manning broke the season touchdown pass record, and decided guards were really a luxury the Dolphins didn’t need. Because Manning could get rid of the football so fast, guards basically had nothing to do on many plays anyway and Gase thought things could work the same in Miami.
That’s an interesting one, by the way.
After the 2016 season when the Dolphins needed a serious upgrade to their defense, Gase decided he could make the offense operate on the cheap while the defense added players. So the coach practically ignored the need for guards.
And Ross challenged him about that.
And Gase yelled at the owner about knowing more about football than he did. Multiple sources say a high-ranking club official had to intervene and tell Gase he could not speak to the owner — his boss — that way.
Miami Herald
This is wild, but hear me out- on a lot of our offensive plays our guards look like they have no clue what their assignment is or who to pick up.
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 01:19:42 PM
Miami Herald
This is wild, but hear me out- on a lot of our offensive plays our guards look like they have no clue what their assignment is or who to pick up.
I heard Gase was dealt a bad hand though
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 01:21:55 PM
Miami Herald
This is wild, but hear me out- on a lot of our offensive plays our guards look like they have no clue what their assignment is or who to pick up.
Except we traded for a guard with a 12 million dollar salary. Traded for another guard whose now a starter, and signed the most expensive free agent center available. Gase also wanted us to go out and sign the best center in free agency but Mac didn't comply
So I'm not really sure what the relevance of the article is
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 01:51:15 PM
Except we traded for a guard with a 12 million dollar salary. Traded for another guard whose now a starter, and signed the most expensive free agent center available. Gase also wanted us to go out and sign the best center in free agency but Mac didn't comply
So I'm not really sure what the relevance of the article is
Bruh.
As you saw this year, $12M doesn’t mean the player is good. He got traded for a mid round pick for a reason. We had a hole with Carpenter leaving and the FA market was barren for OL so unless we weren’t starting a LG a move had to be made.
We traded a 2020 conditional 7th round pick for Alex Lewis, a practice squad player, so no.
Signing a guy that’s retired is not evidence of putting high value on the OL.
The point of the article is that I’ve heard multiple times now that Gase doesn’t value OG, and I think it shows in his schemes. Gase has had OL issues his entire coaching career, and I’ve been thinking for a while now that he’s part of the root cause. They had tons of OL issues last year with Laremy Tunsil and JaWuan James starting at OT.
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 02:03:33 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 02:35:38 PM
Bruh.
As you saw this year, $12M doesn’t mean the player is good. He got traded for a mid round pick for a reason. We had a hole with Carpenter leaving and the FA market was barren for OL so unless we weren’t starting a LG a move had to be made.
We traded a 2020 conditional 7th round pick for Alex Lewis, a practice squad player, so no.
Signing a guy that’s retired is not evidence of putting high value on the OL.
The point of the article is that I’ve heard multiple times now that Gase doesn’t value OG, and I think it shows in his schemes. Gase has had OL issues his entire coaching career, and I’ve been thinking for a while now that he’s part of the root cause. They had tons of OL issues last year with Laremy Tunsil and JaWuan James starting at OT.
Who said anything about a player being good? You're talking about what he values. If Gase didn't value the interior OL then why would he trade draft picks for the 3rd highest paying guard in the NFL, trade (yes a late pick) for another guard and try to sign the two highest valued centers available on the market?
The moves didn't work, I don't disagree there. But to suggest that he'd be willing to pay a guard 12 million dollars yet thinks the position is worthless is mind boggling to me
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 28, 2019, 02:38:31 PM
I don't think I've hated a NYJ head coach more than Gase in my entire life. You could argue maybe Kotite, but I was still in high school and just found the losing comical.
I was thinking exactly the same thing this morning. I didn't like Kotite, including when he was hired. But I don't think I ever hated him as much as I hate Gase. Part of that is probably because Kotite just seemed like a dunce, but Gase seems like an arrogant prick on top of being an idiot.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 28, 2019, 02:44:10 PM
Miami Herald
This is wild, but hear me out- on a lot of our offensive plays our guards look like they have no clue what their assignment is or who to pick up.
He didn't want Moseley or Bell, and doesn't value guards. Let's also not forget that his preferred QB from that draft was Mayfield, not Darnold also.
Oh, and it's cute that he literally had to be told not to scold the guy who signs his paychecks. But it was only shitty players who thought he was a queynte, right?
Fire this clown now.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 02:49:07 PM
He didn't want Moseley or Bell, and doesn't value guards. Let's also not forget that his preferred QB from that draft was Mayfield, not Darnold also.
Oh, and it's cute that he literally had to be told not to scold the guy who signs his paychecks. But it was only shitty players who thought he was a queynte, right?
Fire this clown now.
Well Mosley and Bell will never live up to their contracts, so Gase wasn't wrong there
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 28, 2019, 02:53:09 PM
Well Mosley and Bell will never live up to their contracts, so Gase wasn't wrong there
That's a bit ridiculous to say.
Bell is a historically good running back who is being entirely underutilized by the offensive guru HC. Moseley got hurt but looked like an absolute beast in his brief time prior to the injury.
I'll wait to see what they do under the next coaching staff before I write either of them off as being unworthy.
Also, freak Adam Gase.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
Who said anything about a player being good? You're talking about what he values. If Gase didn't value the interior OL then why would he trade draft picks for the 3rd highest paying guard in the NFL, trade (yes a late pick) for another guard and try to sign the two highest valued centers available on the market?
The moves didn't work, I don't disagree there. But to suggest that he'd be willing to pay a guard 12 million dollars yet thinks the position is worthless is mind boggling to me
The Osemele trade was Duff, but ok
Should have signed Roger Saffold instead.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2019, 02:54:04 PM
That's a bit ridiculous to say.Gase will still be here next year.
Bell is a historically good running back who is being entirely underutilized by the offensive guru HC. Moseley got hurt but looked like an absolute beast in his brief time prior to the injury.
I'll wait to see what they do under the next coaching staff before I write either of them off as being unworthy.
Also, freak Adam Gase.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 02:58:22 PM
That's a bit ridiculous to say.
Bell is a historically good running back who is being entirely underutilized by the offensive guru HC. Moseley got hurt but looked like an absolute beast in his brief time prior to the injury.
I'll wait to see what they do under the next coaching staff before I write either of them off as being unworthy.
Also, freak Adam Gase.
It's not ridiculous to say when they both made super elite money. And Mosley missed this entire season and Bell is on pace for the worst season of his career by a huge margin.
They'd both need to be all pro the next 3 years to live up to their deals at this rate
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2019, 03:02:25 PM
It's not ridiculous to say when they both made super elite money. And Mosley missed this entire season and Bell is on pace for the worst season of his career by a huge margin.
They'd both need to be all pro the next 3 years to live up to their deals at this rate
No, it is ridiculous to say. Mosley is hurt and Bell is playing behind a historically bad OL. Both of those things are out of the players control.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 03:04:09 PM
No, it is ridiculous to say. Mosley is hurt and Bell is playing behind a historically bad OL. Both of those things are out of the players control.
I'm not blaming the players. Just pointing out that they will not give the production their contracts warranted
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on October 28, 2019, 03:34:38 PM
I'm not blaming the players. Just pointing out that they will not give the production their contracts warranted
Bell is living up to every bit of his contract, both on the field as well as off the field. It's not his fault he has to make magic happen only to get a measly 3 yards due to the guys upfront, plus the shitty coaching not giving him opportunities.
Post by: MBGreen on October 28, 2019, 03:42:27 PM
Gase will still be here next year.The fans won’t be
Post by: Badger on October 28, 2019, 06:38:43 PM
I wanted to ask if everyone is finally on board the "fire Gase into the Sun" bandwagon, but it appears some people still aren't convinced.I'm gonna be totally honest, I'm not 100% on the bandwagon but it doesn't have anything to do with a positive opinion of Gase. I just don't like the idea of firing a coach during his first season or putting Darnold through another new offense for the third year in a row.
What exactly is it going to take to convince you guys Gase is bad for this team?
It was really cool to see Gase throw Sam under the bus in his presser. Basically blamed Sam for changing the playcalls at the LOS too many times.
Remember when Gase got credit for "overachieving" with this guy:
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 28, 2019, 08:36:05 PM
I'm gonna be totally honest, I'm not 100% on the bandwagon but it doesn't have anything to do with a positive opinion of Gase. I just don't like the idea of firing a coach during his first season or putting Darnold through another new offense for the third year in a row.This is essentially where I'm at. I also dont think firing Gase midseason does anything so he has the rest of the year to develop Darnold. We will see where Sam is in December. It's not like we can hire Lincoln Riley today.
Post by: Jumbo on October 28, 2019, 08:39:25 PM
I'm gonna be totally honest, I'm not 100% on the bandwagon but it doesn't have anything to do with a positive opinion of Gase. I just don't like the idea of firing a coach during his first season or putting Darnold through another new offense for the third year in a row.
If the offense continues looking like this, I'd rather put him through another new offense
Post by: Heismanberg on October 28, 2019, 08:41:10 PM
He didn't want Moseley or Bell, and doesn't value guards. Let's also not forget that his preferred QB from that draft was Mayfield, not Darnold also.
Oh, and it's cute that he literally had to be told not to scold the guy who signs his paychecks. But it was only shitty players who thought he was a queynte, right?
Fire this clown now.
Pretty sure Adam Gase desperately wanted Mosley
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 28, 2019, 09:09:51 PM
Pretty sure Adam Gase desperately wanted MosleyThe facts dont matter. The fan base wants blood at this point. It's probably deserved but we will see at the end of the season.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 28, 2019, 09:18:45 PM
If the offense continues looking like this, I'd rather put him through another new offense
Agreed. If the current offense is a freaking disaster then making him learn a new one, while shitty is better then remaining where he is
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 28, 2019, 09:32:56 PM
Pretty sure Adam Gase desperately wanted Mosley
He wanted Mosley but what about Moseley? Food for thought...
Post by: Jumbo on October 28, 2019, 09:37:44 PM
He wanted Mosley but what about Moseley? Food for thought...
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Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 10:08:58 PM
The facts dont matter. The fan base wants blood at this point. It's probably deserved but we will see at the end of the season.
I think the contract situation is going to be a huge huge freaking issue. I mean when's the last time a team paid 3 seperate head coaches their full salary for the same season?
Between Gase, Bowles, and whatever new guy the Jets would have to back up the brinks truck to sucker into coming here. The Jets would be paying an astronomical amount of money out (yes next season they would have to pay all 3 head coaches their full salary)
This alone might cause the team to be overly generous when it comes to determining Gases future.
As a matter of fact I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's extremely improbable that Gase is fired after this season. I think MAYBE if we lose out there's a chance he gets canned. But 2 or 3 more wins and I think the odds are strongly in his favor of a return
Post by: Pope on October 28, 2019, 10:12:49 PM
I think the contract situation is going to be a huge huge freaking issue. I mean when's the last time a team paid 3 seperate head coaches their full salary for the same season?Gase is probably making 4 million a year, I wouldn’t over think it
Between Gase, Bowles, and whatever new guy the Jets would have to back up the brinks truck to sucker into coming here. The Jets would be paying an astronomical amount of money out (yes next season they would have to pay all 3 head coaches their full salary)
This alone might cause the team to be overly generous when it comes to determining Gases future.
As a matter of fact I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's extremely improbable that Gase is fired after this season. I think MAYBE if we lose out there's a chance he gets canned. But 2 or 3 more wins and I think the odds are strongly in his favor of a return
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 10:22:05 PM
Gase is probably making 4 million a year, I wouldn’t over think it
Bowles is probably making 4, Gase likely 5, and the next coach (assuming we don't get garbage) would probably be in the 6-8 million dollar range. I don't know assistants and coordinators contracts work, but I'd imagine we will be playing plenty of them too. Easily cranking up that number to 20+ million
Regardless you're talking about highly unusual circumstances where you're paying 3 head coaches (and probably some of their staff) concurrently
Post by: Pope on October 28, 2019, 10:23:21 PM
Bowles is probably making 4, Gase likely 5, and the next coach (assuming we don't get garbage) would probably be in the 6-8 million dollar range. I don't know assistants and coordinators contracts work, but I'd imagine we will be playing plenty of them too. Easily cranking up that number to 20+ millionFair enough but we’re paying guys like Mosley and Johnson that to barely see the field. The cost of losing fans, advertising dollars, primetime games, merch, etc outweighs whatever bullshit money they owe some coaches
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2019, 10:47:06 PM
Fair enough but we’re paying guys like Mosley and Johnson that to barely see the field. The cost of losing fans, advertising dollars, primetime games, merch, etc outweighs whatever bullshit money they owe some coaches
I mean there's also the fact that Gase essentially hired our GM and Chris Johnson has a man crush on him
I'll concede at this point I think firing Gase is mandatory if this team continues to look like it has the last 2 weeks. But I think it's more probable than not that the deck is stacked in his favor. And a lot of fans are going to be extremely disappointed because in their minds the dudes already good as gone. Look at this board, and these are the more rational fans.
Post by: Pope on October 28, 2019, 10:51:08 PM
I mean there's also the fact that Gase essentially hired our GM and Chris Johnson has a man crush on himI agree I think Gase is here until Black Monday unless there is complete mutiny in Florham Park
I'll concede at this point I think firing Gase is mandatory if this team continues to look like it has the last 2 weeks. But I think it's more probable than not that the deck is stacked in his favor. And a lot of fans are going to be extremely disappointed because in their minds the dudes already good as gone. Look at this board, and these are the more rational fans.
Post by: MBGreen on October 29, 2019, 08:04:03 AM
Bowles is probably making 4, Gase likely 5, and the next coach (assuming we don't get garbage) would probably be in the 6-8 million dollar range. I don't know assistants and coordinators contracts work, but I'd imagine we will be playing plenty of them too. Easily cranking up that number to 20+ million
Regardless you're talking about highly unusual circumstances where you're paying 3 head coaches (and probably some of their staff) concurrently
20+ million is a drop in the bucket to the Johnsons.
Post by: MBGreen on October 29, 2019, 08:17:54 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 29, 2019, 10:21:54 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2019, 11:14:40 AM
(https://i.redd.it/3llxo1o8xbv31.png)
How late were you up making that?
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2019, 11:47:45 AM
If the offense continues looking like this, I'd rather put him through another new offense
Exactly. Keeping a coach simply because you don't want to change the system again is a bad reason to keep him. He's a sunk cost. Why compound that?
I've asked over and over, what do people see from Gase--now or in his history--that tells them he can be relied on to right the ship? Unless you firmly believe he's the answer, keeping him around is nothing more than kicking the can down the road--at the expense of more years of Darnold's career.
Pretty sure Adam Gase desperately wanted Mosley
He didn't want to pay Mosley--same as Bell. So maybe I was wrong about whether he "wanted" the player--I didn't go looking that hard to see--but he was against the contract:
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/16/jets-adam-gase-stuck-with-players-he-didnt-want-to-pay-for-leveon-bell-cj-mosley/ (https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/16/jets-adam-gase-stuck-with-players-he-didnt-want-to-pay-for-leveon-bell-cj-mosley/)
The facts dont matter. The fan base wants blood at this point. It's probably deserved but we will see at the end of the season.
Obviously not.
He wanted Mosley but what about Moseley? Food for thought...
Cute
Post by: dcm1602 on October 29, 2019, 11:53:39 AM
Exactly. Keeping a coach simply because you don't want to change the system again is a bad reason to keep him. He's a sunk cost. Why compound that?
I've asked over and over, what do people see from Gase--now or in his history--that tells them he can be relied on to right the ship? Unless you firmly believe he's the answer, keeping him around is nothing more than kicking the can down the road--at the expense of more years of Darnold's career.
He didn't want to pay Mosley--same as Bell. So maybe I was wrong about whether he "wanted" the player--I didn't go looking that hard to see--but he was against the contract:
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/16/jets-adam-gase-stuck-with-players-he-didnt-want-to-pay-for-leveon-bell-cj-mosley/ (https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/16/jets-adam-gase-stuck-with-players-he-didnt-want-to-pay-for-leveon-bell-cj-mosley/)
Obviously not.
Cute
Take it with a huge grain of salt as this is from Manish. But he said that Gase has a history of saying that he didn't want some high-profile players, so that if the move fails he can hedge and say he was against it from the start, and if it succeeds he can make it a testament to his coaching success.
Sounds kinda like Manish bullshit to me though
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2019, 11:57:15 AM
Take it with a huge grain of salt as this is from Manish. But he said that Gase has a history of saying that he didn't want some high-profile players, so that if the move fails he can hedge and say he was against it from the start, and if it succeeds he can make it a testament to his coaching success.
Sounds kinda like Manish bullshit to me though
Adam Gase shifts blame to cover his own derriere? Next Manish will tell me water is wet.
Post by: MBGreen on October 29, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
How late were you up making that?
Ask the clown on reddit who made it.....I was in bed by 10pm
Post by: Badger on October 29, 2019, 12:57:50 PM
I think the contract situation is going to be a huge huge freaking issue. I mean when's the last time a team paid 3 seperate head coaches their full salary for the same season?dcm looking out for the Johnson family finances again
Between Gase, Bowles, and whatever new guy the Jets would have to back up the brinks truck to sucker into coming here. The Jets would be paying an astronomical amount of money out (yes next season they would have to pay all 3 head coaches their full salary)
This alone might cause the team to be overly generous when it comes to determining Gases future.
As a matter of fact I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's extremely improbable that Gase is fired after this season. I think MAYBE if we lose out there's a chance he gets canned. But 2 or 3 more wins and I think the odds are strongly in his favor of a return
Post by: bojanglesman on October 29, 2019, 01:00:10 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2019, 01:09:02 PM
If we are going full fire sale, Gase will be good. Don't need any wins anymore.
Just wrap Sam in 85lbs of bubble wrap.
Post by: MBGreen on October 29, 2019, 01:14:06 PM
If we are going full fire sale, Gase will be good. Don't need any wins anymore.
a full raging fire sale should include the HC getting fired.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2019, 01:15:29 PM
a full raging fire sale should include the HC getting fired.
QFT
Post by: dcm1602 on October 29, 2019, 01:27:52 PM
dcm looking out for the Johnson family finances again
It's more like realistic expectations. Even most beat writers are assuming it's more likely than not Gase is back next year. Gase is bff with the owner, GM, the contract situation, the improbablity of a one and done HC.
The stars are aligned for 2 seasons of Gase. I'll even concede that I've lost all interest in defending Gase anymore. But I think the odds favor his return
Post by: Miamipuck on October 29, 2019, 01:33:01 PM
dcm looking out for the Johnson family finances again
J&J baby powder gave him Downs so he needs the Johnsons to be flush with as much cash as possible for the pending lawsuit.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 29, 2019, 01:36:44 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 29, 2019, 03:04:03 PM
I still think it is 50/50 at worst he comes back.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 29, 2019, 03:06:10 PM
Man a lot of you are going to be very disappointed when they bring Gase back next year...
I'm going to be disappointed if he's still here in 10 minutes.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 29, 2019, 03:10:26 PM
Man a lot of you are going to be very disappointed when they bring Gase back next year...
I still think it is 50/50 at worst he comes back.
Most people here are not dumb, did I just say that?...... Gay but not dumb, we realize this is the Jets Gase is probably here another season at least. The GM is here because of him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 30, 2019, 10:18:37 AM
Adam Gase in a graph
Post by: mj2sexay on October 30, 2019, 11:42:01 AM
I wanted the guy here after Jimmy Harbs said "nah" especially considering the alternative options (you will never convince me Mike McCarthy would be a smart hire, especially considering the resurgence of Green Bay and all of the baggage that went with his exit out of there), and I'd still like to see him have the year to see if he can somewhat right the ship so to speak. And I still think some of the criticisms are off base. The idea that he was run out of town by anyone worth anything in Miami is false, it's been debunked by beat writers both here and in Miami. The players he got into personality conflicts with (Jarvis Landry being the prime suspect) are losing players. They've done nothing. Their opinion doesn't mean a goddamn thing. If it was Frank Gore, even long-tenured guys like Cameron Wake then I could definitely see the issue. I said it then and I'll say it now, none of his Dolphins teams underachieved relative to the talent he was working with.
But the substantive stuff that we heard about his play-calling have unfortunately reared their head. LeVeon getting 12 touches against Jacksonville is freaking insane. The insistence to keep Sam in an empty backfield when this front five operates as human turnstiles, even on situations where yes, historically you don't go to max protection are confounding. There doesn't seem to be any ability to adjust or recognize that the team isn't equipped to run his system, so he needs to adapt. Square pegs into round holes just continually seem to be getting smashed together.
It's easy to blame it on an offensive line that frankly I haven't seen look this bad since Boomer was in his last year here and got the excrement kicked out of him. They're the worst in the league by far. We've all covered this and I think we all agree, wholesale changes with the possibility of all five spots being replaced has to be on the table. I don't think it happens, but in the possibility that guys like Scherff and Conklin actually hit the open market, Douglas needs to be there day one to get them in the building. But it's on the coach to understand the weakness and adjust every chance he can. Whether that means more rollouts, bootlegs, keeping an extra tight end to help out the tackles, I don't know. Figure it the freak out because the product on the field is unacceptable.
I'm not enamored with the job Williams has done either, especially last week, but he's been allowed to slide under the radar because the offense is so shitty, our linebackers are the walking wounded and we have no corners. Hairston's actually looked serviceable. Daryl Roberts is who we thought he was (another brilliant Mac extension). Trumain Johnson has hit Santonio/Kenny Rogers/Danny Tartabull/Mike Mottau territory of people on a team I support who I just absolutely hate and never want to see again.
I'm sure you'll all love to hear this: I don't think its a foregone conclusion he finishes the year, nevermind comes back. If they lose the next two weeks I'd actually be shocked if ownership didn't pull the trigger and elevate Williams to interim HC and someone like Jim Bob to OC while Gase and Froto Loggins take the fall. If they lose to the Dolphins and Giants I think he's taken out back and old yellered, I don't even think there's a question about it. The Johnsons will not stand to see two losses like that in a row without being extremely reactionary. These are the same people that fired Mangini after a winning season largely because of the fallout of the back pages. And for better or worse, I do think they'll allow Douglas total control in the offseason to make the choice. I know there's the school of thought that Douglas is going to operate out of loyalty to Gase, but I was pretty encouraged by Bart Scott, a guy who's known Joe Douglas for a long time throwing cold water on that yesterday. These guys are uber-competitors who want first and foremost to win. We've seen loyalty go out the window in the face of underachievement a million times in the NFL.
I haven't been this gutted by a season since 2005.
Post by: MBGreen on October 30, 2019, 12:36:48 PM
Egg on my face time.
I wanted the guy here after Jimmy Harbs said "nah" especially considering the alternative options (you will never convince me Mike McCarthy would be a smart hire, especially considering the resurgence of Green Bay and all of the baggage that went with his exit out of there), and I'd still like to see him have the year to see if he can somewhat right the ship so to speak. And I still think some of the criticisms are off base. The idea that he was run out of town by anyone worth anything in Miami is false, it's been debunked by beat writers both here and in Miami. The players he got into personality conflicts with (Jarvis Landry being the prime suspect) are losing players. They've done nothing. Their opinion doesn't mean a goddamn thing. If it was Frank Gore, even long-tenured guys like Cameron Wake then I could definitely see the issue. I said it then and I'll say it now, none of his Dolphins teams underachieved relative to the talent he was working with.
But the substantive stuff that we heard about his play-calling have unfortunately reared their head. LeVeon getting 12 touches against Jacksonville is freaking insane. The insistence to keep Sam in an empty backfield when this front five operates as human turnstiles, even on situations where yes, historically you don't go to max protection are confounding. There doesn't seem to be any ability to adjust or recognize that the team isn't equipped to run his system, so he needs to adapt. Square pegs into round holes just continually seem to be getting smashed together.
It's easy to blame it on an offensive line that frankly I haven't seen look this bad since Boomer was in his last year here and got the excrement kicked out of him. They're the worst in the league by far. We've all covered this and I think we all agree, wholesale changes with the possibility of all five spots being replaced has to be on the table. I don't think it happens, but in the possibility that guys like Scherff and Conklin actually hit the open market, Douglas needs to be there day one to get them in the building. But it's on the coach to understand the weakness and adjust every chance he can. Whether that means more rollouts, bootlegs, keeping an extra tight end to help out the tackles, I don't know. Figure it the freak out because the product on the field is unacceptable.
I'm not enamored with the job Williams has done either, especially last week, but he's been allowed to slide under the radar because the offense is so shitty, our linebackers are the walking wounded and we have no corners. Hairston's actually looked serviceable. Daryl Roberts is who we thought he was (another brilliant Mac extension). Trumain Johnson has hit Santonio/Kenny Rogers/Danny Tartabull/Mike Mottau territory of people on a team I support who I just absolutely hate and never want to see again.
I'm sure you'll all love to hear this: I don't think its a foregone conclusion he finishes the year, nevermind comes back. If they lose the next two weeks I'd actually be shocked if ownership didn't pull the trigger and elevate Williams to interim HC and someone like Jim Bob to OC while Gase and Froto Loggins take the fall. If they lose to the Dolphins and Giants I think he's taken out back and old yellered, I don't even think there's a question about it. The Johnsons will not stand to see two losses like that in a row without being extremely reactionary. These are the same people that fired Mangini after a winning season largely because of the fallout of the back pages. And for better or worse, I do think they'll allow Douglas total control in the offseason to make the choice. I know there's the school of thought that Douglas is going to operate out of loyalty to Gase, but I was pretty encouraged by Bart Scott, a guy who's known Joe Douglas for a long time throwing cold water on that yesterday. These guys are uber-competitors who want first and foremost to win. We've seen loyalty go out the window in the face of underachievement a million times in the NFL.
I haven't been this gutted by a season since 2005.
I'm not sure Gase gets fired. I don't trust Christopher Johnson to make sound decisions, he's just as bad as Woody.
The only thing i could see triggering the Johnsons to fire him is if we finish 1-15 and Sam's regression continues, because how do you sell that to the fanbase next year?
I have faith Joe Douglas will draft well for us. I don't have anything to back that up other than he's learned from some of the best in the business (Ozzie Newsome for example). That's where it ends for me. The coaching staff will kill whatever rookie or FA we attempt to improve this team with. It's a vicious cycle that will keep repeating itself until we hire the right coach.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 30, 2019, 01:03:11 PM
Post by: reuben on October 30, 2019, 01:22:52 PM
If they lose the next two weeks I'd actually be shocked if ownership didn't pull the trigger and elevate Williams to interim HC and someone like Jim Bob to OC while Gase and Froto Loggins take the fall. If they lose to the Dolphins and Giants I think he's taken out back and old yellered, I don't even think there's a question about it. The Johnsons will not stand to see two losses like that in a row without being extremely reactionary.
No team fires their first year head coach mid-season.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 30, 2019, 01:37:14 PM
No team fires their first year head coach mid-season.
Conventional wisdom also doesn't apply to this place.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 30, 2019, 01:44:11 PM
No team fires their first year head coach mid-season.
I'd gladly settle for end of season
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 30, 2019, 02:01:59 PM
For all the Gase is buddies with Douglas talk, Gase had no problem throwing his buddy under the bus yesterday with his whole "Nobody knocked on my door" to tell him players were on the trade block.Why does everything Gsse says get construed as throwing people under the bus?
Maybe he is just letting the GM do his job...
Post by: insanity on October 30, 2019, 02:06:39 PM
While I'm not confident in his ability, I feel more comfortable with a gase firing knowing there is someone on this coaching staff who has lead an offense.
If we lose the next two games fire gase
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 30, 2019, 02:29:34 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 30, 2019, 02:32:12 PM
What is firing Gase with 7 games left going to accomplish besides fulfill Jets fans' bloodlust.
It's just stupid
You only fire Gase before the end of the season if the lockeroom blows up in a seriously major way. Which the only way that happens is if things with Jamal turn seriously bad fast
Post by: mj2sexay on October 30, 2019, 02:35:48 PM
What is firing Gase with 7 games left going to accomplish besides fulfill Jets fans' bloodlust.
I don't disagree, I just don't think ownership is going to swallow losing to a winless team and a cross-town rival who's not particularly good, and not overreact.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 30, 2019, 02:37:40 PM
It's just stupidAgreed. If there is a locker room mutiny, then sure, fire him. But there is no indication of that. Adams isnt happy but it seems like that's more directed at Douglas and the losing.
You only fire Gase before the end of the season if the lockeroom blows up in a seriously major way. Which the only way that happens is if things with Jamal turn seriously bad fast
Post by: MBGreen on October 30, 2019, 04:15:40 PM
Agreed. If there is a locker room mutiny, then sure, fire him. But there is no indication of that. Adams isnt happy but it seems like that's more directed at Douglas and the losing.The mutiny is coming...it’s still early
Post by: Jumbo on October 30, 2019, 04:47:47 PM
Totally forgot we have Jim bob cooter as a coach.
While I'm not confident in his ability, I feel more comfortable with a gase firing knowing there is someone on this coaching staff who has lead an offense.
If we lose the next two games fire gase
Oh man, if you guys think Gase doesn't like the run game, wait till we have Cooter calling plays
Post by: bojanglesman on October 30, 2019, 05:28:45 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 30, 2019, 05:29:44 PM
Gase isn't getting fired this offseason. Y'all need to accept it.
I hate to say it but I agree
Post by: Johnny English on October 30, 2019, 05:30:06 PM
Oh man, if you guys think Gase doesn't like the run game, wait till we have Cooter calling plays
That's our running game coordinator you're talking about, y'know. It's honestly like someone asked a Bills fan to put together his dream coaching staff for the Jets.
Post by: Badger on October 30, 2019, 05:39:41 PM
Gase isn't getting fired this offseason. Y'all need to accept it.Well not with that attitude
Post by: dcm1602 on October 30, 2019, 05:44:29 PM
That's our running game coordinator you're talking about, y'know. It's honestly like someone asked a Bills fan to put together his dream coaching staff for the Jets.
He's actually the coach for the running backs, who do things other than just run the ball
Post by: MBGreen on October 30, 2019, 05:45:14 PM
Gase isn't getting fired this offseason. Y'all need to accept it.JACKASS ILL KILL YOU
Post by: Johnny English on October 30, 2019, 05:57:50 PM
He's actually the coach for the running backs, who do things other than just run the ball
They do when he's in charge. As Jumbo said, did you see what happened when he had control of the Detroit offense? It's no surprise Stafford has such huge yardage numbers.
Post by: MBGreen on October 31, 2019, 08:02:58 AM
Quote
Joel
@JoelMetsNY
Lol Beningo says he heard from a source that a plane is flying over MetLife Stadium with a “Fire Adam Gase” banner during the Jets-Giants game
do it
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 31, 2019, 11:18:45 AM
do it
Beningo has to be absolutely unlistenable right now. I can only imagine, no interest in tuning in.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 31, 2019, 11:25:56 AM
I hate to say it but I agree
Same
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2019, 11:28:10 AM
Beningo has to be absolutely unlistenable right now. I can only imagine, no interest in tuning in.SBTF
Post by: Miamipuck on October 31, 2019, 11:30:43 AM
Beningo has to be absolutely unlistenable right now. I can only imagine, no interest in tuning in.
I don't mind him at all.
SBTFAINEC
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 31, 2019, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: Gregg Rosenthal @greggrosenthal
Adam Gase has run 5 offenses since leaving Peyton Manning’s side. Not one has ranked above average in points or yards.
Post by: Badger on October 31, 2019, 12:02:25 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2019, 03:19:59 PM
freak this guy.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 03, 2019, 03:24:20 PM
Do you fire him no matter what after this season? Or do you start evaluating the availability of coaching talent and having off the record discussions, contemplating whether you can get a coach you want right now or if we would be better off waiting until after next season?
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2019, 03:26:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2019, 03:26:44 PM
Serious question about Gase.
Do you fire him no matter what after this season? Or do you start evaluating the availability of coaching talent and having off the record discussions, contemplating whether you can get a coach you want right now or if we would be better off waiting until after next season?
No. I fire him tonight, put Williams in charge and give Cooter playcalling responsibilities, then tell Douglas to start planning for our new coaching staff.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 03, 2019, 03:28:11 PM
The only question I have is who runs the offense if he's fired. Towel Logjam? I would hope he gets the hook too.
Jim Bob Cooter SZN
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2019, 03:28:54 PM
Jim Bob Cooter SZNI'd be fine with that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2019, 03:28:57 PM
The only question I have is who runs the offense if he's fired. Towel Logjam? I would hope he gets the hook too.
I would be fine with Loggains as HC, just to see if it’s possible to have a coach worse than Gase
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2019, 03:29:16 PM
I would be fine with Loggains as HC, just to see if it’s possible to have a coach worse than GaseLol.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 03, 2019, 03:29:56 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 03, 2019, 03:29:56 PM
No. I fire him tonight, put Williams in charge and give Cooter playcalling responsibilities, then tell Douglas to start planning for our new coaching staff.
The only issue with that plan, is that's it for Darnold then. The next coach will be the biggest factor whether Darnold gets a second contract with the Jets or not. While Gase is 100% not the answer, I'd just want to make sure we can get the guy who is. If he's available this year you absolutely get him. If he's not, well we sure aren't having 4 different coaches in 4 years
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2019, 03:31:33 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2019, 03:31:58 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2019, 03:34:00 PM
I would be fine with Loggains as HC, just to see if it’s possible to have a coach worse than Gase
haha
Post by: Jumbo on November 03, 2019, 03:35:11 PM
I would be fine with Loggains as HC, just to see if it’s possible to have a coach worse than Gase
Loggains is the guy that Gase doesn't trust enough to call plays, which either means he's a secret genius or even worse
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2019, 03:35:52 PM
We’ve seen Darnold with Gase. I don’t give a excrement about Darnold having to go through 3 systems in 3 years because I’m fairly certain I know how he would look in Gase’s offense next year. Need to move on now or Darnold’s career as a Jet is at risk.
Everyone points to Alex Smith as to why continually changing systems is a bad idea, and then ignores the fact that Alex Smith still turned out to be really freaking good. Sam is young, get him a proper coach next season and this year could turn out to be a really useful learning experience.
Just get Gase the freak out of here now before he does any more damage.
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2019, 03:37:50 PM
Never thought one game would change my mind, but I really think Gase might not be the coach tomorrow. The Jets have done the one thing that could get him fired that fast. Quit.I'm not quite as far along as you but this game felt like a breaking point.
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2019, 03:38:16 PM
Everyone points to Alex Smith as to why continually changing systems is a bad idea, and then ignores the fact that Alex Smith still turned out to be really freaking good. Sam is young, get him a proper coach next season and this year could turn out to be a really useful learning experience.
Just get Gase the freak out of here now before he does any more damage.
that's because Alex Smith was kissed by Andy Reid, quarterback whisperer.
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2019, 03:39:06 PM
Everyone points to Alex Smith as to why continually changing systems is a bad idea, and then ignores the fact that Alex Smith still turned out to be really freaking good. Sam is young, get him a proper coach next season and this year could turn out to be a really useful learning experience.Alex Smith is the reason why I genuinely believe QBs don't fully develop until about 6-7 years in the NFL.
Just get Gase the freak out of here now before he does any more damage.
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2019, 03:39:51 PM
that's because Alex Smith was kissed by Andy Reid, quarterback whisperer.You may want to brush up on your NFL history
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2019, 03:40:22 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2019, 03:42:43 PM
You may want to brush up on your NFL history
Reid and Smith joined the Chiefs in 2013...what am i missing?
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2019, 03:43:42 PM
Really....
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2019, 03:44:52 PM
Gase: “It’s the NFL, man. You can’t be embarrassed by this excrement.” #Jets
Really....
#TeflonGase
Post by: dcm1602 on November 03, 2019, 03:46:04 PM
Gase: “It’s the NFL, man. You can’t be embarrassed by this excrement.” #Jets
Really....
Manish Mehta
Adam Gase: “It’s the NFL. You can’t be embarrassed by this excrement.” Two weeks ago, Gase said the Loss to the Patriots was “embarrassing.”
4:43PM EST
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2019, 04:11:23 PM
We're basically the Browns now.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 03, 2019, 04:14:11 PM
Even if Gase is 1 and done....who's going to want to coach here?
We're basically the Browns now.
Someone who wants a lot of freaking money and power
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on November 03, 2019, 04:14:12 PM
Even if Gase is 1 and done....who's going to want to coach here?
We're basically the Browns now.
Josh McDaniels.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2019, 04:14:57 PM
Even if Gase is 1 and done....who's going to want to coach here?Wrecks
We're basically the Browns now.
Post by: Jumbo on November 03, 2019, 04:18:45 PM
Even if Gase is 1 and done....who's going to want to coach here?
We're basically the Browns now.
Gase is excrement but don't be such a drama queen
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2019, 04:20:08 PM
Gase is excrement but don't be such a drama queen
shut up queynte
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 03, 2019, 04:21:08 PM
Someone who wants a lot of freaking money and powerExcept Douglas has the power so it has to be someone who can work with him.
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2019, 04:21:42 PM
Except Douglas has the power so it has to be someone who can work with him.
Actually...the coach still reports to the owner.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 03, 2019, 04:23:49 PM
Hell Atlanta and Cleveland will likely be more desirable than us
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2019, 04:46:33 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 03, 2019, 04:49:13 PM
If and when Gase is canned. I'm hoping Joe Douglas is at the forefront of finding the next HC. The Johnsons have proven they shouldn't be anywhere near the hiring process other than to sign the check.
Hope Douglas makes a power play to fix this dumpster power structure.
Post by: IATA on November 03, 2019, 05:21:33 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2019, 05:28:50 PM
im looking forward to douglas being fired and gase assuming total control...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191103/2ce97a58bec4de1ffd0e30900eb24c50.gif)
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2019, 05:32:17 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-sam-darnold-dolphins-avance-20191102-wsnrzfaiifa5rnzemd34qhhb3q-story.html
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2019, 05:32:39 PM
im looking forward to douglas being fired and gase assuming total control(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191103/f4777efbb75ee1c985d0da3538a546c0.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2019, 05:43:10 PM
I know it's fun to hate on Manish, but he's not wrong.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-sam-darnold-dolphins-avance-20191102-wsnrzfaiifa5rnzemd34qhhb3q-story.html
“Rejoice, #Jets fans....
Your team got it right.
Adam Gase is a smart hire who will take Sam Darnold to the next level.
A bright offensive mind. Terrific leader.”
- Manish, 1/9/2019
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2019, 05:50:10 PM
Reid and Smith joined the Chiefs in 2013...what am i missing?Alex Smith turned good before he got to KC.
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2019, 05:53:36 PM
Josh McDaniels.Honestly would have preferred him over Gase.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 03, 2019, 06:04:23 PM
Honestly would have preferred him over Gase.
excrement they should offer him ultimate power to come here. Though he will never even consider it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2019, 06:07:28 PM
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I wouldn’t normally make such a quick decision on a head coach. But the #Jets have reached a stage where they aren’t functioning. They are a team without direction, a team in need of extreme action.
There aren’t many times I actually agree with Francesa
Post by: Libero_2 on November 03, 2019, 06:08:40 PM
Harbaugh is the #1 guy on my list, what he did to Alex Smith and eventually Kaepernick is absolutely amazing. He can revive Sam. The Johnsons would need to back up a brinks truck, but it would be amazing to see him roaming the sidelines for a few years and reviving our franchise
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2019, 06:09:57 PM
Honestly who the freak could we even get that we would be excited about?
Harbaugh is the #1 guy on my list, what he did to Alex Smith and eventually Kaepernick is absolutely amazing. He can revive Sam. The Johnsons would need to back up a brinks truck, but it would be amazing to see him roaming the sidelines for a few years and reviving our franchise
Crazy Jim is my #1, but if he's not available I want Kubiak.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 03, 2019, 06:16:47 PM
Crazy Jim is my #1, but if he's not available I want Kubiak.
At least Douglas has connections to a Harbaugh and Kubiak.
Who else does he have a working relationship with that is an option?
Is John Defilippo still a name to watch? He has been decent with Minshew, but is far from a slam dunk
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2019, 06:18:15 PM
At least Douglas has connections to a Harbaugh and Kubiak.
Who else does he have a working relationship with that is an option?
DeFilippo
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 03, 2019, 06:50:03 PM
gase the offensive guru has done nothing but make sam's game regress. i saw this written in the game thread and it kind of annoyed me. 'we can coach the hero ball out of sam'. this is something that has been happening for the past several weeks. i would imagine that any normal coach/QB coach would have sat down with sam by now and told him over and over the past several weeks 'in those situations, just throw the ball away, live to see another day', and that we wouldn't be seeing him blindly throw up the ball anymore. but i don't think it's safe to work with those assumptions with this specific staff.
sam is of course at fault for some of this stuff too, but it doesn't help that he's running for his life on every single playcall, which brings up another huge fvcking issue
how many times this season have we seen a rusher have complete free reign to do what they wish with sam/our QBs? how many times is there going to be botched protection/'lack of execution" before we start asking gase wtf is going on out there. irrespective of lack of talent we have in our OL, the one thing we can control is the communication/cohesion between the QB, OL, and RB/TEs. this is gase's job. we have all been watching football a very long time. this specific aspect has never been as bad as we are seeing it now, and it was something he had issues with in miami as well
did anybody today ask him wtf went wrong when sam got murdered by a free rusher from his non-fvcking blind side that he somehow did not see because the play was somehow designed to completely ignore the right side of the field. i think we all know wtf happened that play but i'm interested in seeing what he has to say about wtf happened with that excrement
there is nothing there with gase. the sooner we get him out the likelier we'll have a salvageable QB prospect
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2019, 06:54:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2019, 08:02:04 PM
Gase sucks and needs to go. So do a lot of the players. Gase can't go out there and play for them.Did you watch Fubar 2 yet?
Post by: Miamipuck on November 03, 2019, 08:16:27 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2019, 08:49:25 PM
Did you watch Fubar 2 yet?Not yet. I cant find it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2019, 09:35:28 PM
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2019, 10:18:36 PM
Prrrrrrt
Don't get me wrong, if you had asked me before the hire if I wanted Gase I'd say hell no, but once the decision was made I tried to find the positives like a good Jets fan.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 04, 2019, 12:10:00 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 04, 2019, 01:03:17 AM
After he was hired I convinced myself we might be getting an offensive-minded Mangini, a smart football mind with some fresh ideas who maybe just wasn't very personable, someone who could come in and right the ship, get things moving in the right direction.Exactly. I didnt want Gase but I didnt think he was so bad in Miami that it was a hopeless hire. So I supported him until I had enough reason otherwise.
Prrrrrrt
Don't get me wrong, if you had asked me before the hire if I wanted Gase I'd say hell no, but once the decision was made I tried to find the positives like a good Jets fan.
There is still a chance Darnold turns it around and plays great down the stretch. It is hard to envision with this line but if it does happen, I could see a reason for Gase to come back. But now I'm thinking it's over 50% chance he is gone.
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 04, 2019, 03:53:03 AM
I have written to the US Abassador in London and asked him for help. I know this is a longshot but at least Woody had a semblance of what Jet fans are all about; I can't believe he will be happy watching this tripe! I've asked him to fire his Brother and that hapless Gaze.
I know your probaly thinking that this is a complete waste of time but I'm desperate.
If I hear anything I'll report back.
I also wrote to Gaze;
Dear Gaze - freak off!
Post by: bojanglesman on November 04, 2019, 04:21:44 AM
Never underestimate the power of the pen.Thank you for your service, kind sir.
I have written to the US Abassador in London and asked him for help. I know this is a longshot but at least Woody had a semblance of what Jet fans are all about; I can't believe he will be happy watching this tripe! I've asked him to fire his Brother and that hapless Gaze.
I know your probaly thinking that this is a complete waste of time but I'm desperate.
If I hear anything I'll report back.
I also wrote to Gaze;
Dear Gaze - freak off!
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Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 04, 2019, 05:33:30 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 04, 2019, 05:39:48 AM
It's almost unheard of that a head coach gets another HC gig immediately after getting fired, but leave it to our poorly led organization to break the trend. I despised this hire from the start and hate the fact he's ruining Sam. Gase reports directly to Johnson, so he better grow a pair of balls and get rid of this clown
Rexy did it though he didn't last long in Buffalo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 04, 2019, 07:49:13 AM
https://twitter.com/bburkeespn/status/1189238625457840130?s=21
Adam Gase in a graph
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1191351372110798849?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 04, 2019, 07:51:57 AM
Rexy did it though he didn't last long in Buffalo
Rex destroyed that team in buffalo
It is killing me inside that Buffalo has recovered from their rex Ryan rebuild faster than we have despite the fact that they hired him after us.
Killing me even more is that the Bills are doing a better job developing Josh Allen at this point in time. How the freak do you allow that to happen?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 04, 2019, 08:23:07 AM
Rex destroyed that team in buffalo
It is killing me inside that Buffalo has recovered from their rex Ryan rebuild faster than we have despite the fact that they hired him after us.
Killing me even more is that the Bills are doing a better job developing Josh Allen at this point in time. How the freak do you allow that to happen?
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Post by: AlioTheFool on November 04, 2019, 10:45:12 AM
I did not want this guy, hated the hire, hated the fact this stupid derriere owner actually gave him an interview let alone introduced him as a coach. Hated the fact this organization is as Wayne Gretzky said about the Devils, a Mickey Mouse organization. I can't freaking believe they were going to hire Rhule but not let him pick a staff. What the freak is that? The Jets do everything wrong and now they are stuck with that stupid derriere power structure. Can Douglas even fire Gase? Will he, Gase got him the freaking job. This might not be the worst of it that's the scary thing.
This
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 04, 2019, 10:49:15 AM
There are 32 NFL head coaching jobs, and thousands of coaches across the United States who would offer up their firstborn for an opportunity to take one.
Post by: IATA on November 04, 2019, 12:32:56 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 04, 2019, 12:52:04 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 04, 2019, 12:59:09 PM
Also, can we please stop with this nonsense "No one will want to come here if we fire xyz." How many times does that have to be proven wrong?
There are 32 NFL head coaching jobs, and thousands of coaches across the United States who would offer up their firstborn for an opportunity to take one.
We'll get somebody of course, we always do. But who? That's the problem.
Post by: MBGreen on November 04, 2019, 01:04:45 PM
We'll get somebody of course, we always do. But who? That's the problem.
Rob Ryan
Post by: Miamipuck on November 04, 2019, 01:18:55 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 04, 2019, 01:49:10 PM
Still the coach.
This team makes me sick.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 04, 2019, 02:27:44 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 04, 2019, 02:28:40 PM
Post by: IATA on November 04, 2019, 02:35:07 PM
They’re waiting for Black Monday. We’re losing to the Giants, become the embarrassment of the city (even more) and they’ll cut ties to him. That’s what the optimist in me wants to think.Extension, we need to show solidarity in these trying times.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 04, 2019, 02:38:27 PM
I remember when mono was the biggest problem this team had.
It was just a mask and excuse for the real problems we've had all along.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 04, 2019, 02:43:07 PM
I remember when mono was the biggest problem this team had.
It's full blown Gaids.....
For now on I am calling him Adam Gaids.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 04, 2019, 03:51:34 PM
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Jets' current average of 12.0 PPG would be the worst in franchise history. And that total includes the 24 non-offensive points they've scored. Only averaging 9.0 PPG on offense
Nania
Post by: Badger on November 04, 2019, 05:54:48 PM
I remember when mono was the biggest problem this team had.Not having an OL was still a pretty big deal then
Post by: Johnny English on November 04, 2019, 07:35:18 PM
Not having an OL was still a pretty big deal then
No, back then everything was Luke Falk's fault.
Post by: MBGreen on November 04, 2019, 07:44:19 PM
It's full blown Gaids.....MB Approved
For now on I am calling him Adam Gaids.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 05, 2019, 12:38:54 PM
Christoper Johnson claims criticism of Gase by fans and media is "unfair"
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 05, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
Per Manish
Christoper Johnson claims criticism of Gase by fans and media is "unfair"
No, what Manish says that Johnson is saying is that it’s unfair to criticize him (Johnson) for hiring Gase.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 05, 2019, 02:40:52 PM
Per Manish
Christoper Johnson claims criticism of Gase by fans and media is "unfair"
We should start blaming him, personally for the opiod crisis
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2019, 03:45:01 PM
We should start blaming him, personally for the opiod crisisWe're not done with the Sackler family yet
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2019, 06:06:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 05, 2019, 08:41:07 PM
No, what Manish says that Johnson is saying is that it’s unfair to criticize him (Johnson) for hiring Gase.Ok, so fire him immediately, apologise for allowing Maccagnan to hire him, everything is fixed.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 05, 2019, 08:45:19 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191106/32db5ba48f4c76950e0953b06cee6103.jpg)
....this is perfect
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 06, 2019, 11:11:14 AM
Ok, so fire him immediately, apologise for allowing Maccagnan to hire him, everything is fixed.
If Johnson would've just canned Gase to begin with he could've just dumped the blame on Maccagnan (even though it wasn't really Mike's hire) and rather than the Manish story he could've authored his own hero's tale.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 06, 2019, 03:01:25 PM
“This offense couldn’t be any worse if you left Gase in the locker room and let the QB draw up the plays in the dirt and make calls at the line of scrimmage”
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 06, 2019, 03:24:33 PM
Francesa:
“This offense couldn’t be any worse if you left Gase in the locker room and let the QB draw up the plays in the dirt and make calls at the line of scrimmage”
He's not wrong
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 06, 2019, 03:42:59 PM
He's not wrong
Yes he is, there is no dirt. You can't draw up plays in turf.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 07, 2019, 11:59:11 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2019, 12:07:25 PM
Caption this
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3 trash cans and some Gatorade
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 07, 2019, 12:08:02 PM
Caption this
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In this green thing is my offensive game plan.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 07, 2019, 12:40:48 PM
Caption this
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Don't fire me bayby I'll suck yo dick!
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2019, 08:36:09 PM
Caption this"You're a bonified offensive genius."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIyS-WhXUAEBd8n?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Post by: Miamipuck on November 07, 2019, 10:36:33 PM
Caption this
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Dead Men Talking
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 08, 2019, 01:40:13 AM
Caption this"Can I buy some cocaine from you after practice?"
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Post by: MBGreen on November 08, 2019, 01:19:03 PM
Post by: delavan on November 08, 2019, 06:09:36 PM
https://twitter.com/NYSFmag/status/1192884432681807873
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 09, 2019, 03:36:54 AM
I agree Gase probably needs to go. I also think every coach should get a season to prove themselves. He hasnt gotten that yet. I don't expect it to be that much better, but if by week 16, Darnold is looking like a budding star again, it could be reasonable to bring him back.
Firing him now does nothing but appease some fans out for blood.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 09, 2019, 10:08:51 AM
Typical stupid Jets fans wasting money on nothing.
I agree Gase probably needs to go. I also think every coach should get a season to prove themselves. He hasnt gotten that yet. I don't expect it to be that much better, but if by week 16, Darnold is looking like a budding star again, it could be reasonable to bring him back.
Firing him now does nothing but appease some fans out for blood.
While I'm firmly on the Gase needs to go bandwagon, if the Jets can't find anyone they're really excited about with mutual interest, I'd consider keeping Gase next year, bringing in a real oc, with the plans of firing Gase midseason if he can't turn it around and having all the time in the world to do an exaughstive HC search.
I just don't want to see the team fire Gase and end up with another garbage coach considering all the current restraints of this team
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2019, 10:21:55 AM
I'd consider keeping Gase next year, bringing in a real oc
This is, even by your standards, a ridiculous idea for reasons that should be blindingly obvious.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 09, 2019, 12:50:53 PM
This is, even by your standards, a ridiculous idea for reasons that should be blindingly obvious.
This is if the team can't find a mutually interested respectable HC.
If we can get a guy we want, great do it. But if not, I don't want Mccarthy or Freddie kitchens coming in here.
I'd rather turn it into a 2 year HC search and get the right guy, then a 6 months shitty one
My biggest concern is the team might not make any decisions on Gase until after week 17, which could potentially delay a competent full fledged HC search
Post by: Andrew Ryan on November 09, 2019, 01:34:28 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2019, 01:39:49 PM
This is if the team can't find a mutually interested respectable HC.
If we can get a guy we want, great do it. But if not, I don't want Mccarthy or Freddie kitchens coming in here.
I'd rather turn it into a 2 year HC search and get the right guy, then a 6 months shitty one
My biggest concern is the team might not make any decisions on Gase until after week 17, which could potentially delay a competent full fledged HC search
Did you think this through at all? Why would Gase accept having a new OC forced onto him? One of two things will happen - either the team improves in which case it was clearly Gase's fault all along, or the team doesn't improve in which case Gase has been given every opportunity to be successful and he still isn't. Any which way, he ends up being on the block.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 09, 2019, 02:24:34 PM
Did you think this through at all? Why would Gase accept having a new OC forced onto him? One of two things will happen - either the team improves in which case it was clearly Gase's fault all along, or the team doesn't improve in which case Gase has been given every opportunity to be successful and he still isn't. Any which way, he ends up being on the block.
Because the Jets just had the worst offense in the history of its franchise, and Gase will probably never get another head coaching job if he fails now, or at least not in the near future.
But if this team can't find a HC that they like who likes them back, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world to keep Gase for 8 weeks, and dump him midway into next season. Especially since it basically let's Greg Williams or whoever the OC we bring in audition for the coaching vacancy,
And it gives us hope of landing a better candidate in the scenario the right one isn't available right now
Post by: Pope on November 09, 2019, 03:40:58 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 09, 2019, 04:46:23 PM
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Jets owner Christopher Johnson will "remain patient" with coach Adam Gase.
Schefter continues, "Circumstances always could change, but ownership is not inclined to make any head coaching moves." Through eight weeks, the Jets are 1-7 with the second-worst point differential in the NFL. The offense has been horrific, and team chemistry appears to be fractured after rumors swirled around the trade deadline. It's rare for a first-year coach to not make it out of Year 1, but many Jets fans would love to see Gase gone. Expect ownership to think about this harder at the end of the 2019 season.
Post by: MBGreen on November 09, 2019, 06:21:57 PM
Finally the Jets have some stability in the organizationGase will be a black Monday casualty if this team keeps getting raped.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Jets owner Christopher Johnson will "remain patient" with coach Adam Gase.
Schefter continues, "Circumstances always could change, but ownership is not inclined to make any head coaching moves." Through eight weeks, the Jets are 1-7 with the second-worst point differential in the NFL. The offense has been horrific, and team chemistry appears to be fractured after rumors swirled around the trade deadline. It's rare for a first-year coach to not make it out of Year 1, but many Jets fans would love to see Gase gone. Expect ownership to think about this harder at the end of the 2019 season.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 09, 2019, 07:16:31 PM
Gase will be a black Monday casualty if this team keeps getting raped.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 09, 2019, 07:28:41 PM
Bahahahahahahahah
Post by: Miamipuck on November 10, 2019, 01:27:38 PM
Fire Adam Gase despite this showing so far
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2019, 06:04:26 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 10, 2019, 06:30:03 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-front-office-was-split-between-adam-gase-todd-monken-after-meandering-coaching-search/
So how do you go from:
Wanting Rhule as HC and Monken as OC
To wanting Monken as HC
To hiring Gase
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2019, 06:34:44 PM
So how do you go from:
Wanting Rhule as HC and Monken as OC
To wanting Monken as HC
To hiring Gase
The part I was most concerned with was that we put off both Mccarthy and Rhule because our inbred acting owner decided he and our GM knew more about which coaching assistants our HC should have than our actual head coaches, and then proceedes to fire the GM. So how did Johnson make the decision about the HC? Either he decided to trust a GM he was firing, or decided that he, a guy who had never been involved in football on any level (and allegedly never had a job in his life) knows better than the head coaches he was hiring
Which to me says that Johnson has zero freaking idea what he's doing.
This whole ownership thing is incredibly alarming
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 10, 2019, 06:53:56 PM
So how do you go from:
Wanting Rhule as HC and Monken as OC
To wanting Monken as HC
To hiring Gase
freak you Peyton Manning
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2019, 06:55:30 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 10, 2019, 07:12:15 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2019, 07:14:19 PM
I liked Monken a lot as a candidate. He was probably my favorite candidate given his resume and offensive success in Tampa.
He hasn't done a particularly good job
But I can't ismgine him and Rhule being worse than we got
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2019, 07:23:43 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2019, 07:39:12 PM
Nothing has changed...Gase still has to go.
He will
In January 2021
Post by: Pope on November 11, 2019, 05:17:22 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 11, 2019, 07:49:34 AM
this season has been atrocious
Post by: bojanglesman on November 11, 2019, 08:08:21 AM
I feel confident I have at least accomplished him hating the Pats.
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 11, 2019, 09:36:24 AM
I was toying with taking my son to the Redskins Jets game, but I'm trying to manage his expectations and now isn't a good time to do that. I'm trying not to chase him away from being a Jets fan. Kids at his age don't exactly gravitate towards constant losing. There's a difference between hearing about the game vs. watching them get their derriere handed to them in person.
I feel confident I have at least accomplished him hating the Pats.
I feel your pain.
My daughter used to watch the games with me when she was a wee girl and looking back we had a decent ratio of success to losing for her to have a genuine interest ( Early 2000's Chad and Sanchez era). She's 27 now and she lives away from home- this was her text last night.
" Dad! why did you saddle me with this hopeless team- we suck!"
Her boyfriend is a Bill's fan.
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2019, 09:43:31 AM
I feel your pain.Time to cut her out of the will for such blatant insubordination.
My daughter used to watch the games with me when she was a wee girl and looking back we had a decent ratio of success to losing for her to have a genuine interest ( Early 2000's Chad and Sanchez era). She's 27 now and she lives away from home- this was her text last night.
" Dad! why did you saddle me with this hopeless team- we suck!"
Her boyfriend is a Bill's fan.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 11, 2019, 11:50:47 AM
I feel your pain.I hope my kids someday text me about the Jets winning too much. But I'll gladly take what you got as long as they experience the curse with me.
My daughter used to watch the games with me when she was a wee girl and looking back we had a decent ratio of success to losing for her to have a genuine interest ( Early 2000's Chad and Sanchez era). She's 27 now and she lives away from home- this was her text last night.
" Dad! why did you saddle me with this hopeless team- we suck!"
Her boyfriend is a Bill's fan.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2019, 12:14:10 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 11, 2019, 01:10:37 PM
If you don't let the losing ruin the whole Sunday the kids will stick with the Jets because it's your team. My girls came with me yesterday with a group and they're all in with the Jets, granted they're girls. They've been in school for two Giants Super Bowls already but remain undeterred. Maybe the Jets will win in their lifetime.
You're better off trying to get them real unicorns for Xmas.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 11, 2019, 07:55:21 PM
Ryan Griffin 3
Le’Veon Bell 3
Jamal Adams 2
Jamison Crowder 2
Post by: Johnny English on November 11, 2019, 08:20:16 PM
Jets TD leaders:
Ryan Griffin 3
Le’Veon Bell 3
Jamal Adams 2
Jamison Crowder 2
Offensive genius
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2019, 11:53:38 AM
Adam Gase will be back in 2020.
No matter what
- Hughes
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2019, 11:53:44 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 11:59:49 AM
#Jets owner Christopher Johnson spoke to a group of reporters out at practice. He said there will be NO changes at head coach before or after season.
Adam Gase will be back in 2020.
No matter what
- Hughes
Live from Winnipeg:
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Post by: MBGreen on November 13, 2019, 12:07:57 PM
#Jets owner Christopher Johnson spoke to a group of reporters out at practice. He said there will be NO changes at head coach before or after season.
Adam Gase will be back in 2020.
No matter what
- Hughes
get ready to draft a QB in 2021
Post by: Heismanberg on November 13, 2019, 12:11:25 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2019, 12:15:57 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 13, 2019, 12:20:21 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 12:22:09 PM
Glad I went to two games this year, it will make up for going to none next year.
When we're bad I end up going a lot. Going again to the Raiders game, people are now eating tickets and looking for idiots to go sit through these games, so of course they hit me up. And I go, freak it.
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2019, 12:36:35 PM
When we're bad I end up going a lot. Going again to the Raiders game, people are now eating tickets and looking for idiots to go sit through these games, so of course they hit me up. And I go, freak it.
A weekend in NYC costs me a minimum $1K, the ticket price is a relative small consideration. I'm not dropping that kind of cash to watch another season of Gaseball.
Post by: insanity on November 13, 2019, 12:37:32 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 12:42:10 PM
A weekend in NYC costs me a minimum $1K, the ticket price is a relative small consideration. I'm not dropping that kind of cash to watch another season of Gaseball.
I don't blame you. I live near the stadium and watch most of the games anyway, especially the second half of the season.
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2019, 12:43:41 PM
I. Dont. Understand.
Peyton sold Gase to Johnson. Gase sold Douglas to Johnson. Douglas now defends Gase to Johnson, and has told him that the problem is all about the offensive line which is nothing to do with him, and that if the line was solid then Gase would be successful.
One of three things will happen next - I list them in order of likelihood:
1. We add good pieces to the OL in the offseason, Gase's playcalling continues to stink, the team continues to lose, Gase gets fired and another season is wasted.
2. We don't add good pieces to the OL in the offseason, Gase's playcalling continues to be a contributory fact, 2019 happens all over again and everyone gets fired.
3. We add good pieces to the OL in the offseason, Gase's playcalling improves, we do OK and everyone forgets that 2019 was ever a thing.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2019, 12:50:06 PM
"It's a surreal scene after Adam Gase died in a strange smelling-salt, goat-orgy party this offseason. True to his word, Christopher Johnson propped Gase's corpse up on sideline to continue head coaching duties..... no matter what. 'We taped his eyelids wide open so the fellas recognized the crazy stare'"
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 12:57:19 PM
Peyton sold Gase to Johnson. Gase sold Douglas to Johnson. Douglas now defends Gase to Johnson, and has told him that the problem is all about the offensive line which is nothing to do with him, and that if the line was solid then Gase would be successful.
One of three things will happen next - I list them in order of likelihood:
1. We add good pieces to the OL in the offseason, Gase's playcalling continues to stink, the team continues to lose, Gase gets fired and another season is wasted.
2. We don't add good pieces to the OL in the offseason, Gase's playcalling continues to be a contributory fact, 2019 happens all over again and everyone gets fired.
3. We add good pieces to the OL in the offseason, Gase's playcalling improves, we do OK and everyone forgets that 2019 was ever a thing.
It all comes back to the line and the QB on the field. If the line allows us (Bell) to have a running game and Darnold time to throw, he'll make better decisions and move us down the field. Remember everyone was ready to fire Paul Hackett until Chad Pennington stepped in and suddenly the same offense was awesome. If Pennington can make Hackett, Herm, Mangini and Sprano all look smart, hopefully Darnold can have the same effect.
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2019, 01:06:24 PM
It all comes back to the line and the QB on the field. If the line allows us (Bell) to have a running game and Darnold time to throw, he'll make better decisions and move us down the field. Remember everyone was ready to fire Paul Hackett until Chad Pennington stepped in and suddenly the same offense was awesome. If Pennington can make Hackett, Herm, Mangini and Sprano all look smart, hopefully Darnold can have the same effect.
It doesn't though, does it? There's a lot more to it than just five good linemen being a magical ticket to Super Bowl glory; the play design and calling have to also be good. I don't think it's any coincidence that for the last three weeks we've looked really good on our first drive which is scripted in advance, with those shitty linemen doing just fine against fresh, hungry defenders. After the defense gets a look at what we're doing and starts mixing things up the train comes badly off the rails, because our playcalling fails to appropriately respond, see what the defense is giving us and take advantage of it.
We have a young second year QB who has been injury disrupted in both seasons, he's not Peyton Manning and that playcalling isn't all on him. The coaching staff have to help him out with the plays they're giving him, and they aren't.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2019, 01:11:36 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 01:24:20 PM
It doesn't though, does it? There's a lot more to it than just five good linemen being a magical ticket to Super Bowl glory; the play design and calling have to also be good. I don't think it's any coincidence that for the last three weeks we've looked really good on our first drive which is scripted in advance, with those shitty linemen doing just fine against fresh, hungry defenders. After the defense gets a look at what we're doing and starts mixing things up the train comes badly off the rails, because our playcalling fails to appropriately respond, see what the defense is giving us and take advantage of it.
We have a young second year QB who has been injury disrupted in both seasons, he's not Peyton Manning and that playcalling isn't all on him. The coaching staff have to help him out with the plays they're giving him, and they aren't.
But you have no idea if the plays can work when you can't block them. that's Football 101. The fact that Bell can't get free even once in a while tells you this is a historically bad line.
Post by: MBGreen on November 13, 2019, 01:27:44 PM
I really hope someone with a brain forces Gase to hire an OC so Gase can focus on being a HC who has an influence on the offense. And not a glorified OC with a HC badge
He already hired a challenge flag coordinator
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2019, 01:29:12 PM
But you have no idea if the plays can work when you can't block them. that's Football 101. The fact that Bell can't get free even once in a while tells you this is a historically bad line.
It's very possible that he's just done. Even with a bad OL he should be able to make a play on occasion
It's highly disturbing he's been insanely ineffective running the actual ball
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
He already hired a challenge flag coordinator
Should rephrase that. I hope Douglas hires and forces an OC on Gase
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2019, 01:46:51 PM
Should rephrase that. I hope Douglas hires and forces an OC on Gase
You have to drop this idea because it's mindbogglingly stupid on multiple levels, and it's not going to happen.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 13, 2019, 01:47:03 PM
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2019, 01:47:48 PM
#Jets owner Christopher Johnson spoke to a group of reporters out at practice. He said there will be NO changes at head coach before or after season.On the bright side some of you can stop rooting for us to lose this year.
Adam Gase will be back in 2020.
No matter what
- Hughes
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 13, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
You have to drop this idea because it's mindbogglingly stupid on multiple levels, and it's not going to happen.
Seriously.
Who is going to throw Gase's challenge flag if not Patton Oswalt?
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2019, 01:49:16 PM
Florham Park 2020:You should watch Midsommar
"It's a surreal scene after Adam Gase died in a strange smelling-salt, goat-orgy party this offseason. True to his word, Christopher Johnson propped Gase's corpse up on sideline to continue head coaching duties..... no matter what. 'We taped his eyelids wide open so the fellas recognized the crazy stare'"
Post by: guinness77 on November 13, 2019, 01:57:09 PM
You should watch MidsommarAll that’s missing is the bear corpse.
Post by: insanity on November 13, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
It doesn't though, does it? There's a lot more to it than just five good linemen being a magical ticket to Super Bowl glory; the play design and calling have to also be good. I don't think it's any coincidence that for the last three weeks we've looked really good on our first drive which is scripted in advance, with those shitty linemen doing just fine against fresh, hungry defenders. After the defense gets a look at what we're doing and starts mixing things up the train comes badly off the rails, because our playcalling fails to appropriately respond, see what the defense is giving us and take advantage of it.I think you can as easily make the argument that they practiced those plays to perfection and that's why the scripted plays worked better.
We have a young second year QB who has been injury disrupted in both seasons, he's not Peyton Manning and that playcalling isn't all on him. The coaching staff have to help him out with the plays they're giving him, and they aren't.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 13, 2019, 03:02:12 PM
It's very possible that he's just done. Even with a bad OL he should be able to make a play on occasion
It's highly disturbing he's been insanely ineffective running the actual ball
Have you seen any of the games?
Post by: insanity on November 13, 2019, 03:04:55 PM
It's very possible that he's just done. Even with a bad OL he should be able to make a play on occasionThis is asinine
It's highly disturbing he's been insanely ineffective running the actual ball
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 13, 2019, 05:34:44 PM
Get ready for three more seasons without making the playoffs. Johnson is a freaking buffoon
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 05:42:32 PM
We're freaking doomed.
Get ready for three more seasons without making the playoffs. Johnson is a freaking buffoon
You sound like me here:
Tough. Not going to candy coat it, we're done for this decade.
I was right, hoping you're not.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 13, 2019, 08:09:37 PM
I won’t believe it’s happening for sure until Black Monday is over. There was a time Johnson supported Duff. And frankly supporting Gase publicly is probably a good thing for team morale. Doesn’t mean for a second it’s true
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2019, 08:14:05 PM
It’s all freaking lip service to the media. If we finish the season 2–14 or 3-13, you had better believe that Gases head may be chopped off. If we win 5 games he’s here for sure and 4 games could go either way depending upon what happens.
I won’t believe it’s happening for sure until Black Monday is over. There was a time Johnson supported Duff. And frankly supporting Gase publicly is probably a good thing for team morale. Doesn’t mean for a second it’s true
Gase was always coming back
Johnson coming out and being a fucknut just makes it more apparent
Post by: Pope on November 13, 2019, 08:20:42 PM
It’s all freaking lip service to the media. If we finish the season 2–14 or 3-13, you had better believe that Gases head may be chopped off. If we win 5 games he’s here for sure and 4 games could go either way depending upon what happens.I agree, I think they may have done this to get the media to freak off a tad
I won’t believe it’s happening for sure until Black Monday is over. There was a time Johnson supported Duff. And frankly supporting Gase publicly is probably a good thing for team morale. Doesn’t mean for a second it’s true
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 13, 2019, 08:25:47 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2019, 08:27:15 PM
In the meantime we have our owner saying he will defend Gase no matter what at all costs
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 13, 2019, 09:28:07 PM
My bigger issue is we literally had our GM come out a few weeks ago saying this team will listen to all phonecalls and ideas on any player as you have to do what's best for the team.What's wrong with either statement?
In the meantime we have our owner saying he will defend Gase no matter what at all costs
I don't want Christopher Johnson to be saying Gase is on the hot seat. I want him to defend the coach. When he stops defending the coach, he'll fire him.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2019, 10:39:56 PM
What's wrong with either statement?
I don't want Christopher Johnson to be saying Gase is on the hot seat. I want him to defend the coach. When he stops defending the coach, he'll fire him.
Because it's contradictory
On one hand you're saying anyone is expendable if it's in the best interest of the team. And on the other it's oh I'm keeping my coach no matter how well or poorly he performs.
If you think Gase earns another year fine, but to say he's coming back no matter what is bullshit.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 14, 2019, 12:08:38 AM
It’s all freaking lip service to the media. If we finish the season 2–14 or 3-13, you had better believe that Gases head may be chopped off. If we win 5 games he’s here for sure and 4 games could go either way depending upon what happens.
I won’t believe it’s happening for sure until Black Monday is over. There was a time Johnson supported Duff. And frankly supporting Gase publicly is probably a good thing for team morale. Doesn’t mean for a second it’s true.
I subscribe to the above or at least pray to god that will happen.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 14, 2019, 12:16:45 AM
Because it's contradictory
On one hand you're saying anyone is expendable if it's in the best interest of the team. And on the other it's oh I'm keeping my coach no matter how well or poorly he performs.
If you think Gase earns another year fine, but to say he's coming back no matter what is bullshit.
It's not, how freaking idiotic do you have to be to not want the owner to back the current coach, no matter how freaking bad he is? Johnson would be a complete fool if he didn't back his hand picked coach 8 games into his tenure. It also isn't unprecedented for an owner or GM to back a coach publicly and then summarily execute them after the season is up.
What do you want the owner to say?......" You know I think Gase has done a shitty job and even though I hired him 8 months ago after an exhaustive search if he loses one more game I am going to can his derriere!"
You know I have read some completely whacked out stuff from you but this just may be one of your whackiest but hey if this is a hill you want to die on, go ahead, light yourself on fire.
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2019, 05:11:25 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 14, 2019, 07:57:39 AM
I subscribe to the above or at least pray to god that will happen.
ditto
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 14, 2019, 08:58:46 AM
Quote
Jets current DVOA rankings
Overall: 30
Offense: 32
Defense: 11
Specials: 3
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Post by: mj2sexay on November 18, 2019, 01:59:47 PM
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2019, 05:42:52 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 25, 2019, 10:25:48 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 25, 2019, 10:42:34 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 25, 2019, 10:46:04 AM
It's getting harder to make the case against him every week. He better give Sam a really nice Christmas gift.
I still believe Gase sucks balls.
Our success is because of Sam, and we win in spite of him. Just like when he was in Denver...the Broncos won because of Manning, not him.
Look at what Gase was able to do without Sam, we weren't bad, we were embarrassingly inept. Good coaches don't look their team look like a dumpster fire. Other teams have lost their starting QB and had some modicums of success.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 25, 2019, 10:55:41 AM
I still believe Gase sucks balls.
Our success is because of Sam, and we win in spite of him. Just like when he was in Denver...the Broncos won because of Manning, not him.
Look at what Gase was able to do without Sam, we weren't bad, we were embarrassingly inept. Good coaches don't look their team look like a dumpster fire. Other teams have lost their starting QB and had some modicums of success.
What.
We were embarrassingly inept without Sam because we were on our third string/practice squad quarterback with an offensive line completely in disarray. I gave Gase excrement after total disgust after the Dolphins game, but I'm absolutely willing to take the whole Luke Falk era and throw it in the garbage in terms of making any sort of evaluation.
In what universe did we win in spite of Gase yesterday.
We get it, you didn't like the hire and nothing will even broach the possibility of changing your position.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 25, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
I still believe Gase sucks balls.
Our success is because of Sam, and we win in spite of him. Just like when he was in Denver...the Broncos won because of Manning, not him.
Look at what Gase was able to do without Sam, we weren't bad, we were embarrassingly inept. Good coaches don't look their team look like a dumpster fire. Other teams have lost their starting QB and had some modicums of success.
All the credit in the world to Darnold, this team is completely different with him than without him. But how many teams stay competitive without their starting QB? And how many of those teams have a majority of backups playing as starters on both sides of the ball?
I still don't like Gase, but I'm giving him some rope at this point. I am a firm believer that a head coach's primary responsibilities are preparing and motivating a team to play. And even when this team was a dumpster fire, they never showed any quit. The preparation was questionable before this win streak, but can't really be questioned in the past 3.
I don't hold any opinion that evidence to the contrary can't change. Right now, Gase is doing things to change my opinion. We're not there yet, but we're trending upwards.
Post by: Johnny English on November 25, 2019, 12:15:53 PM
What.He called a good game yesterday against not great opponents. Still, you can only best what's in front of you, and a three game win streak is a positive sign.
We were embarrassingly inept without Sam because we were on our third string/practice squad quarterback with an offensive line completely in disarray. I gave Gase excrement after total disgust after the Dolphins game, but I'm absolutely willing to take the whole Luke Falk era and throw it in the garbage in terms of making any sort of evaluation.
In what universe did we win in spite of Gase yesterday.
We get it, you didn't like the hire and nothing will even broach the possibility of changing your position.
I need to see much more before I will be remotely comfortable with him as head coach.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 25, 2019, 12:36:17 PM
He called a good game yesterday against not great opponents. Still, you can only best what's in front of you, and a three game win streak is a positive sign.
I need to see much more before I will be remotely comfortable with him as head coach.
Oakland was 6-4, had won a few in a row and was playing for first place. It's not the Patriots but you have to start somewhere, we're three weeks removed from losing to a winless team. And we didn't squeak it out, we killed them in all three phases. Yes, they dropped a few balls that would have extended drives, but we put up 34 and had two TDs called back.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 25, 2019, 12:40:03 PM
All the credit in the world to Darnold, this team is completely different with him than without him. But how many teams stay competitive without their starting QB? And how many of those teams have a majority of backups playing as starters on both sides of the ball?
I still don't like Gase, but I'm giving him some rope at this point. I am a firm believer that a head coach's primary responsibilities are preparing and motivating a team to play. And even when this team was a dumpster fire, they never showed any quit. The preparation was questionable before this win streak, but can't really be questioned in the past 3.
I don't hold any opinion that evidence to the contrary can't change. Right now, Gase is doing things to change my opinion. We're not there yet, but we're trending upwards.
Carolina
Pitt
JAX
Are three that come to mind.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2019, 12:43:15 PM
It's been the right thing to keep him around. Very few coaches have been dealt a shittier hand than Gase this year regarding injuries and healthy roster talent. I don't know what anyone expected trying to win with Luke Falk. I'm glad he's turned it around recently. I don't care that he's a dickhead. I don't have to work with him. We've had our share of nice guy coaches. Time to try a douchebag. For the first time in a while, I actually trust our coach to not make idiotic in-game decisions. They aren't always perfect, but at least we aren't blowing timeouts and wasting clock.
I'll probably change my opinion again in 2 weeks.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2019, 12:44:35 PM
CarolinaYou answered his question, but none of those QBs sinks to the depths that was...Luke Falk. In fact the backups to those backups are probably better. And their poolboy.
Pitt
JAX
Are three that come to mind.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 25, 2019, 12:51:36 PM
Carolina
Pitt
JAX
Are three that come to mind.
Spectacular. Now address the second part, which was "How many of those teams are fielding a majority of backup players as starters?"
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 25, 2019, 12:53:03 PM
What.
We were embarrassingly inept without Sam because we were on our third string/practice squad quarterback with an offensive line completely in disarray. I gave Gase excrement after total disgust after the Dolphins game, but I'm absolutely willing to take the whole Luke Falk era and throw it in the garbage in terms of making any sort of evaluation.
In what universe did we win in spite of Gase yesterday.
We get it, you didn't like the hire and nothing will even broach the possibility of changing your position.
I want to be wrong. I would love him to bring us a title. But his body of work tells me he's not qualified and he will fail
- He lucked out to be the OC when Manning had his career year. Let's all be honest, I could be the freaking OC for Manning.
- Then he gets the Miami HC gig coming off Manning's 2014 season as some offensive guru
- After a 10-6 start, he then goes 6-10, 7-9, then fired.
- Now he comes here bc our owner is freaking moron and he's 4-7
He is on a downward trajectory as a HC, has proven nothing to me so far in his career that he will succeed.
Not comparing Rodgers to Darnold at all...but you think Matt Lafleur adds any value to that team? GB rises and falls because of Rodgers. If we have success it's all because Sam is good enough to overcome incompetent coaching.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 25, 2019, 12:54:08 PM
Spectacular. Now address the second part, which was "How many of those teams are fielding a majority of backup players as starters?"
Don't know. Don't care. He's supposed to be an "offensive guru", and he couldn't score a freaking point without Sam.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 25, 2019, 01:00:31 PM
Don't know. Don't care. He's supposed to be an "offensive guru", and he couldn't score a freaking point without Sam.
I agree. And I'm still not riding the Gase bandwagon. But credit where due, this doesn't look like the same team from earlier in the season. The coaching staff deserves some credit for that.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 25, 2019, 01:03:23 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 25, 2019, 01:09:57 PM
He called a good game yesterday against not great opponents. Still, you can only best what's in front of you, and a three game win streak is a positive sign.
I need to see much more before I will be remotely comfortable with him as head coach.
This is where i'm at.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 25, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
I want to be wrong. I would love him to bring us a title. But his body of work tells me he's not qualified and he will fail
- He lucked out to be the OC when Manning had his career year. Let's all be honest, I could be the freaking OC for Manning.
- Then he gets the Miami HC gig coming off Manning's 2014 season as some offensive guru
- After a 10-6 start, he then goes 6-10, 7-9, then fired.
- Now he comes here bc our owner is freaking moron and he's 4-7
He is on a downward trajectory as a HC, has proven nothing to me so far in his career that he will succeed.
Not comparing Rodgers to Darnold at all...but you think Matt Lafleur adds any value to that team? GB rises and falls because of Rodgers. If we have success it's all because Sam is good enough to overcome incompetent coaching.
I mean, they were 13-18-1 in the two seasons before he got there. To say he doesn't add value to that team and that it's all Rodgers considering the turnaround directly contradicts their record.
You listed Gase's record as the head coach of Miami. Which team underachieved relative to their talent? What was his record when he had his starting quarterback? A starting quarterback who apparently he wasn't wrong in wanting to stick with, given that Tannehill is currently playing with a rocket up his derriere in Tennessee.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 25, 2019, 01:32:04 PM
It's kind of a moot debate. The owner has told us Gase is staying and now we're winning enough games that it's not going to change. Again, let's see Darnold have a chance to run the same offense more than one year in a row.
Exactly
The teams a diasaster this year and all things considering (Sam missing time) we exceeded expectations.
That said I'd absolutely keep Gase on a reasonably short leash next year, unless he proves his competence
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 25, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
Even if you think Darnold is succeeding in spite of Gase, which is impossible to prove at this point and sounds like wishful thinking from Gase haters, he's still succeeding, and if Darnold is looking good, Gase comes back. Period, barring major mitigating factors which we don't have any of.
Post by: MBGreen on November 25, 2019, 02:42:03 PM
To me, whether you like Gase or not, there is a very high bar for firing a coach after his first season, especially an offensive-minded coach who was brought here to develop a young 2nd-year QB. So he needs to be irredeemable trainwreck for us to fire him. For a while, it looked like we might get to that point, but that's why I said for months that he gets the full season to prove his worth.
Even if you think Darnold is succeeding in spite of Gase, which is impossible to prove at this point and sounds like wishful thinking from Gase haters, he's still succeeding, and if Darnold is looking good, Gase comes back. Period, barring major mitigating factors which we don't have any of.
The win against Oakland was a beauty, and Darnold is showing progress. This is encouraging stuff.
But the real litmus test should happen next season. Joe Douglas needs to have a solid offseason, including a successful draft. I want to see this team competitive against NWE and other elite teams. Then, we'll know if Gase is the guy or not.
He's done some good things the last few weeks. I also remember the lack of preparation earlier in the season. Yes, i know about Falk...but the team shouldn't have been that awful, especially against a shitty Eagles team after our bye week.
Next season, with a healthy roster, a revamped oline....the excuses end, and Gase needs to produce. There's also a good chance we lose Greg Williams to a HC opportunity, he's been incredible this year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 02, 2019, 07:14:50 PM
The Jets did not run outside a single time yesterday.”
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 02, 2019, 07:34:13 PM
It's kind of a moot debate. The owner has told us Gase is staying and now we're winning enough games that it's not going to change. Again, let's see Darnold have a chance to run the same offense more than one year in a row.
Typically the owner vote of confidence is the last thing an owner says to the public before firing the coach.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 03, 2019, 04:10:02 AM
Typically the owner vote of confidence is the last thing an owner says to the public before firing the coach.You're right, but I believe it this time.
That said, the last 4 games I think will make a difference. If Darnold regresses and we finish 4-12, there's a real shot he gets fired. And he would probably deserve it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 03, 2019, 10:51:07 AM
You're right, but I believe it this time.
That said, the last 4 games I think will make a difference. If Darnold regresses and we finish 4-12, there's a real shot he gets fired. And he would probably deserve it.
I don't see Darnold regressing, regardless of the coach. He finished strong last year with a different staff and he's gotten better since he's been back this year. Young QBs are going to have some bad games, you can't overreact.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 03, 2019, 10:54:03 AM
I don't see Darnold regressing, regardless of the coach. He finished strong last year with a different staff and he's gotten better since he's been back this year. Young QBs are going to have some bad games, you can't overreact.
Circumstances being what they are, he didn't even play badly against Cincy. It's not his fault that receivers are dropping passes and he's running for his life because this offensive line is filled with human turnstiles. Forget the glory days of D'Brick, where have you gone Jason Fabini?!
Miami's secondary is in shambles, so watch Gase come out trying to continually establish the run just to send this board into a total frenzy.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 03, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
“ The Bengals have allowed a league-high 633 rushing yards directed left end or right end (outside of the tackles), yielding 6.7 yards per carry on those runs (second-worst).
The Jets did not run outside a single time yesterday.”
Not Gase's fault.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 03, 2019, 11:13:46 AM
Not Gase's fault.
Yeah, an actual substantive and correct criticism. I'm not saying they aren't there to be had. I'm saying most of the other ones I'm seeing are inaccurate.
Post by: insanity on December 03, 2019, 11:52:08 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2019, 12:01:12 PM
Chris Johnson be damned, if Gase loses this game against the dolphins, again is he fired immediately?
Imagine being swept by a team that was thought to be tanking their season. Do you really have to ask?
Post by: Jumbo on December 03, 2019, 12:25:57 PM
Imagine being swept by a team that was thought to be tanking their season. Do you really have to ask?
Especially a team he should be relatively familiar with
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 03, 2019, 12:29:02 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 03, 2019, 12:45:55 PM
“ The Bengals have allowed a league-high 633 rushing yards directed left end or right end (outside of the tackles), yielding 6.7 yards per carry on those runs (second-worst).
The Jets did not run outside a single time yesterday.”
That's the offensive line's fault for not better blocking inside for Bell. Or something.
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2019, 01:20:42 PM
Especially a team he should be relatively familiar with
solid point
Post by: Pope on December 04, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
Tease the points and take the Jets -12
Edit: disclaimer is that this is contingent on the Knicks winning another game before Sunday morning
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 04, 2019, 11:44:31 AM
Edit: disclaimer is that this is contingent on the Knicks winning another game before Sunday morning
LOL good luck with that. This is the time of year the Knicks realize they're a bad team and headed back to the lottery.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 05, 2019, 05:52:16 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 05, 2019, 06:19:28 PM
Can we all agree that Adam Gase has no clue how to use Le’Veon Bell?
Facts.
Post by: Johnny English on December 05, 2019, 06:45:04 PM
Can we all agree that Adam Gase has no clue how to use Le’Veon Bell?No, it's Luke Falk's fault.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 05, 2019, 09:01:43 PM
Can we all agree that Adam Gase has no clue how to use Le’Veon Bell?
Who is disagreeing with that?
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 06, 2019, 12:20:29 AM
Early in the year, everyone bitched we would run the ball too much on 1st down instead of pass.
When he runs the ball on 3rd down, everyone bitches.
The issue is we can't block well enough to generate holes to run through.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 06, 2019, 06:25:21 AM
Post by: Pope on December 06, 2019, 07:44:59 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 06, 2019, 09:12:07 AM
The OL is the problem.
There can be two problems.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 06, 2019, 09:15:56 AM
There can be two problems.Nah it's the offensive line.
Post by: MBGreen on December 06, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
There can be two problems.
nobody on this board can count that high.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 06, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
But the "genius" didn't dial up a single outside run against the league's worst run defense that struggles against outside runs.
The OL sucks, but Adam Gase sucks more.
Post by: Badger on December 06, 2019, 09:29:49 PM
nobody on this board can count that high.Maybe if we won more than 4-5 games in a season we'd have to learn higher numbers.
Post by: MBGreen on December 06, 2019, 09:49:04 PM
Maybe if we won more than 4-5 games in a season we'd have to learn higher numbers.My brain is ready
Post by: dcm1602 on December 06, 2019, 10:41:51 PM
And he's old and coming off some health problems
Post by: MBGreen on December 06, 2019, 10:53:24 PM
The OL is bad, but Bilal is still averaging close to 1 YPC more than Bell on runs.#SplittingHairs
And he's old and coming off some health problems
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 07, 2019, 01:22:12 AM
The OL is bad, but Bilal is still averaging close to 1 YPC more than Bell on runs.
And he's old and coming off some health problems
Because they’re two different kinds of backs. Bilal is way more direct. He sees a hole, he attacks it. Our OL opens hopes for like .05 seconds so sometimes that works better. Bell has a patient style, he waits for the best hole to open and he attacks. Problem here is, there’s no best hole because our OL just doesn’t open them.
Give Bell a decent OL and he’ll start producing for sure.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 07, 2019, 02:03:37 AM
Because they’re two different kinds of backs. Bilal is way more direct. He sees a hole, he attacks it. Our OL opens hopes for like .05 seconds so sometimes that works better. Bell has a patient style, he waits for the best hole to open and he attacks. Problem here is, there’s no best hole because our OL just doesn’t open them.I think it's mostly because Powell has fewer carries, so the sample size is smaller. Plus, most of his carries are in less run-obvious spots. Powell isn't getting carries on 2nd and goal from the 2 where your YPC is certain to go down. Those are all Bell. And Bell played pretty much every down when Falk was QB since Gase thought the only way we had any chance is if Bell carried us.
Give Bell a decent OL and he’ll start producing for sure.
It's also not inconceivable that we all overrate Bell. He averaged 4.0 YPC in 2017 and sat out last season. There's a chance that Bell isn't that good anymore, or that Bell is a system running back, and we don't run the right system.
But I really think it's mostly the offensive line. In 2007, Thomas Jones averaged 3.6 yards per carry. We signed Faneca and Woody, and all of a sudden he averaged 4.5 yards per carry.
I don't know how much of the OL issues could be fixed by coaching.
- Beachum was signed as a stopgap, replacement-level OT that was competent but flawed.
- Winters is replacement-level when healthy, but he's usually playing at like 60%, and 60% of Winters is not good
- Harrison was someone we all wanted replaced before the season. He's not good.
- Ryan Kalil was washed LAST season and came out of retirement in camp.
- Tom Compton was a camp depth signing.
- Alex Lewis was acquired in the middle of camp annd is replacement level
- Kelechi Osemele is some combination of washed/injured/unmotivated.
- Chuma Edoga isn't ready.
- Brandon Shell was a mediocre starter coming off a major knee injury.
You can get away with 1-2 of those caliber players starting. We will likely need to start 1-3 of those guys or guys of that caliber next season. You can maybe get away with more if they have time to practice and play together. OL is a position where continuity helps. This is a unit completely devoid of talent and continuity.
When your offensive line is that bad, you're going to be inconsistent offensively. We have a lot of holding penalties because they can't protect otherwise. We can't run because they can't block. We get in bad down-and-distance situations constantly because of the last two things.
Every one of our offensive issues starts with the offensive line. Part of that is coaching. But most of it is talent.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2019, 06:55:20 PM
Adam Gase doesn’t know how to use Le’Veon Bell, and we face the real possibility that the most exciting offensive weapon we’ve had in a decade could be traded in the offseason for salary cap relief, in a deal where we would probably have to eat some of his contract.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2019, 07:04:49 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 08, 2019, 01:11:54 AM
We know the OL is bad. We’ve known the OL has been bad for years. Now that we have that out of the way, we can focus on the thread topic.Running backs are replaceable. Bell is replaceable. If we trade him for a pick, that's probably smart. I like him and hes made some plays out of nothing but he cant produce much without a line.
Adam Gase doesn’t know how to use Le’Veon Bell, and we face the real possibility that the most exciting offensive weapon we’ve had in a decade could be traded in the offseason for salary cap relief, in a deal where we would probably have to eat some of his contract.
It's possible Gase doesnt know how to use Bell but I don't think any coach would generate a consistent running game from this line. The OL makes it hard to judge the rest of the offense.
Decker and Marshall were far more exciting weapons than Bell has been. Bell is out this week and we will probably get similar production out of the running game.
Post by: Badger on December 08, 2019, 07:19:04 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-dolphins-receivers-trades-20191206-hbgzot5zy5dkzi34yrpl7xk4fq-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 08, 2019, 08:37:29 AM
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“What a horrific decision by Coach Gase,” Gould said at the time. “He needs to take a very long look in the mirror and make himself inactive.”
lmao. make yourself inactive
Post by: bojanglesman on December 08, 2019, 08:46:10 AM
Post by: Jumbo on December 08, 2019, 08:46:54 AM
I know when I want to find out the true, unbiased story, I go to the player's agent. Definitely no bias towards the player.
Usually I just read Manish Mehta when I want to know the truth
Post by: bojanglesman on December 08, 2019, 08:47:14 AM
lmao. make yourself inactiveI'm thinking of deactivating myself from watching today.
Post by: Johnny English on December 08, 2019, 08:51:42 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837130-stats-dont-lie-adam-gase-is-the-wrong-coach-for-sam-darnold-and-the-jets
Post by: reuben on December 08, 2019, 01:02:15 PM
Manish alert
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-dolphins-receivers-trades-20191206-hbgzot5zy5dkzi34yrpl7xk4fq-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Gase told the Miami brain trust that he would be fine if the team signed Danny Amendola or Wilson. He had no preference.
When Miami agreed to terms on a deal with Wilson, Gase bristled and whined (even though he had earlier claimed that Amendola or Wilson would suffice), according to sources.
So, the Dolphins quickly pivoted and signed Amendola (to a two-year, $12 million deal) too. On the surface, it was a peculiar decision to sign two slot receivers in free agency. It turns out that only happened to appease the fickle head coach.
This freaking guy...
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 10, 2019, 11:41:55 AM
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On the Bell situation:
-Gase didn’t want him, made sure to tell everyone this
-Has not geared his scheme to Bell’s running style or gotten very creative w/ him in pass game
-Very specific leak to NY Post, which the team has done all year
Coach trying to prove a point to owner
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Bell got 10 carries against the worst run defense in the NFL
The next week he’s out with an illness, Bilal Powell gets 19 carries and Ty Montgomery gets 9
All of this after countless reports of the team trying to move him at the deadline and planning to in the offseason
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Whichever side you stand on with this Bell situation, what should scare you as a #Jets fan is Gase’s personnel demands + evals
If Miami wasn’t enough for you to see that, it’s very evident in less than a year in New York so far
https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1204413296700321792
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 10, 2019, 11:46:12 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 12:02:30 PM
Side topic: can anyone explain why Ryan Tannehill is absolutely dominating this year? I could have sworn the narrative to defend Gase was that he was held back by Tannehill. It looks like Tannehill is finally achieving success while Gase is still running a bottom tier offense.
No, the narrative to support Gase is the claim that when Tannehill wasn't injured the Dolphins did OK. It is surprising though that offensive genius and noted QB whisperer Adam Gase didn't get anything like this kind of performance out of Tannehill though. Clearly Mike Vrabel's got that magic.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 10, 2019, 12:14:29 PM
I generally don't like to wish harm on people, but I said a few times during Sunday's game to my wife: "I wish Gase would literally get hit by a bus because I think that's the only way to save this franchise."
Post by: mj2sexay on December 10, 2019, 12:53:16 PM
No, the narrative to support Gase is the claim that when Tannehill wasn't injured the Dolphins did OK. It is surprising though that offensive genius and noted QB whisperer Adam Gase didn't get anything like this kind of performance out of Tannehill though. Clearly Mike Vrabel's got that magic.
In what universe was Tannehill's performance under Gase not above average? Any statistical measure you want to use indicates he played well under him.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 10, 2019, 12:58:13 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 01:00:18 PM
In what universe was Tannehill's performance under Gase not above average? Any statistical measure you want to use indicates he played well under him.
Which is an OK argument in isolation, until you consider the fact that prior to this season, which will almost certainly be his best season yet as a pro, his best statistical performances came under Joe Philbin. Or put another way, at the end of this season he will have played under three head coaches in his professional career, and his least successful spell will have been under Gase.
Put in context, the fact that his statistical performance under Gase may have been above average by the standards of other quarterbacks only serves to demonstrate that Ryan Tannehill is in fact an above average quarterback, and if anything Gase held him back.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 10, 2019, 01:03:28 PM
Which is an OK argument in isolation, until you consider the fact that prior to this season, which will almost certainly be his best season yet as a pro, his best statistical performances came under Joe Philbin. Or put another way, at the end of this season he will have played under three head coaches in his professional career, and his least successful spell will have been under Gase.
Put in context, the fact that his statistical performance under Gase may have been above average by the standards of other quarterbacks only serves to demonstrate that Ryan Tannehill is in fact an above average quarterback, and if anything Gase held him back.
QBR is ESPN's desperate attempt at trying to usurp passer rating, and its total garbage.
The only reason why Tannehill had more td's in a single season under Philbin is because he played all 16 games. Completion percentage, yards per attempt, yards per game, all at their highest under the person you consider to be a glorified qb coach. Tannehill's performance under Gase was certainly better than average, he just could never stay healthy. That's the coaches fault?
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 01:09:55 PM
QBR is ESPN's desperate attempt at trying to usurp passer rating, and its total garbage.
It's actually not. I realise it's fun to excrement on ESPN, but while it's not flawless there's actually some good reasoning behind QBR. See here for more if you're interested:
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/10/11/13250486/qbr-not-a-russian-conspiracy-against-russell-wilson-but-actually-a
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The only reason why Tannehill had more td's in a single season under Philbin is because he played all 16 games. Completion percentage, yards per attempt, yards per game, all at their highest under the person you consider to be a glorified qb coach. Tannehill's performance under Gase was certainly better than average, he just could never stay healthy. That's the coaches fault?
You're objectively not correct. 2014 was his best season by any meaningful statistic. It will soon be his second best season after 2019. Again, Tannehill's performance under Gase in Miami is not proof of anything other than he's a pretty decent quarterback.
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2019, 01:13:37 PM
We have an elite running back, and Gase doesn't use him and refuses to tailor his scheme to his talents should be reason enough to question his qualifications. We should've ran the ball down Cincy's throat. And don't tell me it's the oline...because Powell looked fine behind it on Sunday.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on December 10, 2019, 02:00:43 PM
The defense for Gase is hilarious.
What defense? There's probably only Gase supporter left on this board. Just cause others won't join in on some of your blind hate and pins every shortcoming of this team on Gase's shoulder's, doesn't mean that people are happy with him or would be defending him.
I'm beginning to understand Puck and his reactions to the the weather threads.
And don't tell me it's the oline...because Powell looked fine behind it on Sunday.
So suddenly 1 week's performance overshadows the whole season's resume. The o-line is excrement, through and through. Both in passblocking and runblocking. One Sunday of Powell vs a shitty run D, doesn't make it suddenly good.
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2019, 02:06:58 PM
What defense? There's probably only Gase supporter left on this board. Just cause others won't join in on some of your blind hate and pins every shortcoming of this team on Gase's shoulder's, doesn't mean that people are happy with him or would be defending him.
I'm beginning to understand Puck and his reactions to the the weather threads.
So suddenly 1 week's performance overshadows the whole season's resume. The o-line is excrement, through and through. Both in passblocking and runblocking. One Sunday of Powell vs a shitty run D, doesn't make it suddenly good.
Blind hate? lol ok.
Sit the freak down.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 10, 2019, 02:11:59 PM
I really can't understand how the narrative is: "When he had Peyton Manning, Ryan Tannehill, and Sam Darnold healthy, his game plans worked" rather than "One HoF, and two talented young QBs saved his derriere whenever they were healthy."
I generally don't like to wish harm on people, but I said a few times during Sunday's game to my wife: "I wish Gase would literally get hit by a bus because I think that's the only way to save this franchise."
This would be amazing.
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2019, 02:13:03 PM
This would be amazing.
I don't wish death on the man. He just needs to leave before he sets this roster back any further than it already is.
Post by: Jumbo on December 10, 2019, 02:14:43 PM
freak him and his bullshit.
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2019, 02:15:35 PM
Gase not wanting Bell and vindictively using Powell to prove that he didn't need him and he was paid too much is 100% a thing you would expect Gase to do.
freak him and his bullshit.
dcm doesn't believe it. So you know it's true.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 10, 2019, 02:19:37 PM
It's actually not. I realise it's fun to excrement on ESPN, but while it's not flawless there's actually some good reasoning behind QBR. See here for more if you're interested:
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/10/11/13250486/qbr-not-a-russian-conspiracy-against-russell-wilson-but-actually-a
You're objectively not correct. 2014 was his best season by any meaningful statistic. It will soon be his second best season after 2019. Again, Tannehill's performance under Gase in Miami is not proof of anything other than he's a pretty decent quarterback.
Not true. Extrapolate his numbers over a 16 game season, or look at his Yards Per Attempt and tell me that he'd have less yardage had they thrown more/he remained healthy under his first year with Gase. His first year. Would've been interesting to see if growth was coming the second year before he was derailed with a torn ACL. This narrative that Tannehill was excrement under Gase or that people shouldn't be surprised he's playing well in Tennessee (against largely shitty defenses) is untrue.
The defense for Gase is hilarious.
We have an elite running back, and Gase doesn't use him and refuses to tailor his scheme to his talents should be reason enough to question his qualifications. We should've ran the ball down Cincy's throat. And don't tell me it's the oline...because Powell looked fine behind it on Sunday.
Holy excrement an actual substantive criticism. One I don't disagree with, and to his credit one that Heis warned us about way back when because of how Gase used (or mis-used) Drake.
But you ever think maybe Gase hasn't tailored his scheme to Bell because Bell's patient running style is incompatible with an offensive line that requires a more direct, north to south runner if they're going to have any success at all?
Mac bought the engine of a Ferrari for a car that operates like a Kia.
I don't wish death on the man. He just needs to leave before he sets this roster back any further than it already is.
As opposed to who you wanted (McCarthy) who the Packers CLEARLY miss.
Gase not wanting Bell and vindictively using Powell to prove that he didn't need him and he was paid too much is 100% a thing you would expect Gase to do.
freak him and his bullshit.
Head coaches can be vindictive if they don't get their way personnel wise? No way. I don't believe it.
The usage of LeVeon and the inability to put forth a functional offense when Darnold went down are the two most substantive criticisms I've seen that I can buy. They're also largely coming from the same voices who told me Gase was a prick who'd lose this locker room in two seconds flat-something which has demonstratively NOT happened despite the 1-7 start.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 10, 2019, 02:20:43 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 10, 2019, 02:21:36 PM
Not true. Extrapolate his numbers over a 16 game season, or look at his Yards Per Attempt and tell me that he'd have less yardage had they thrown more/he remained healthy under his first year with Gase. His first year. Would've been interesting to see if growth was coming the second year before he was derailed with a torn ACL. This narrative that Tannehill was excrement under Gase or that people shouldn't be surprised he's playing well in Tennessee (against largely shitty defenses) is untrue.
Holy excrement an actual substantive criticism. One I don't disagree with, and to his credit one that Heis warned us about way back when because of how Gase used (or mis-used) Drake.
But you ever think maybe Gase hasn't tailored his scheme to Bell because Bell's patient running style is incompatible with an offensive line that requires a more direct, north to south runner if they're going to have any success at all?
Mac bought the engine of a Ferrari for a car that operates like a Kia.
As opposed to who you wanted (McCarthy) who the Packers CLEARLY miss.
Head coaches can be vindictive if they don't get their way personnel wise? No way. I don't believe it.
The usage of LeVeon and the inability to put forth a functional offense when Darnold went down are the two most substantive criticisms I've seen that I can buy. They're also largely coming from the same voices who told me Gase was a prick who'd lose this locker room in two seconds flat-something which has demonstratively NOT happened despite the 1-7 start.
How does it feel to be the only person on this message board defending Gase?
Post by: Jumbo on December 10, 2019, 02:22:37 PM
Head coaches can be vindictive if they don't get their way personnel wise? No way. I don't believe it.
That is an absolutely *awful* justification for the way we've used Bell... because who wants a head coach who would act like that?
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 02:26:36 PM
This narrative that Tannehill was excrement under Gase or that people shouldn't be surprised he's playing well in Tennessee (against largely shitty defenses) is untrue.
It would be if I said that. What I said is that Tannehill's stats demonstrate that he's a good quarterback. What's also true is that Joe Philbin got performances from him that are at least equivalent to Gase's (to save the nitpicking over whether 0.2 YPA or +0.6% Comp justify a claim that he was better under either one), and that Arthur Smith is getting better ones. Anyone think Joe Philbin would deserve a shot at being Jets HC?
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 10, 2019, 02:27:00 PM
Post by: Jumbo on December 10, 2019, 02:32:16 PM
What record do people think the Jets would have with a "good" coach?
Not sure it'd be significantly better, but I don't care about that at this point. You can write off the season due to Darnold's mono if you want. What I care about at this point is that Gase doesn't seem to have the right mentality to be a consistently successful head coach in the NFL. All of these feuds with players and acting like a baby whenever he doesn't get players who don't fit his scheme - regardless of how many of the stories about Wilson/Amendola in Miami, Bell here, etc. are true, when there's smoke there's fire and I believe it at least to an extent, along with the weird sideline scheming and how often the "offensive genius" has had the team looking flat, just makes me think he's not cut out long term. I held on to hope too long with Bowles off of one successful season, but the implication of this question is right in that we shouldn't be looking at Gase's success purely on a win-loss basis.
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2019, 02:33:12 PM
Not true. Extrapolate his numbers over a 16 game season, or look at his Yards Per Attempt and tell me that he'd have less yardage had they thrown more/he remained healthy under his first year with Gase. His first year. Would've been interesting to see if growth was coming the second year before he was derailed with a torn ACL. This narrative that Tannehill was excrement under Gase or that people shouldn't be surprised he's playing well in Tennessee (against largely shitty defenses) is untrue.
Holy excrement an actual substantive criticism. One I don't disagree with, and to his credit one that Heis warned us about way back when because of how Gase used (or mis-used) Drake.
But you ever think maybe Gase hasn't tailored his scheme to Bell because Bell's patient running style is incompatible with an offensive line that requires a more direct, north to south runner if they're going to have any success at all?
Mac bought the engine of a Ferrari for a car that operates like a Kia.
As opposed to who you wanted (McCarthy) who the Packers CLEARLY miss.
Head coaches can be vindictive if they don't get their way personnel wise? No way. I don't believe it.
The usage of LeVeon and the inability to put forth a functional offense when Darnold went down are the two most substantive criticisms I've seen that I can buy. They're also largely coming from the same voices who told me Gase was a prick who'd lose this locker room in two seconds flat-something which has demonstratively NOT happened despite the 1-7 start.
I was more on the Rhule/Monken train. i didn't prefer McCarthy, but i would've taken him over Gase.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 10, 2019, 02:37:45 PM
How does it feel to be the only person on this message board defending Gase?
I could care less, beware the non-conformist in the immortal words of Bert Cooper.
Groupthink doesn't necessarily mean you're right, especially when dealing with (no offense because I absolutely consider the posters here to be a cut above the regular rank and file), what the popular opinion is of this fanbase.
That is an absolutely *awful* justification for the way we've used Bell... because who wants a head coach who would act like that?
You must have missed the part where I said that maybe Gase hasn't developed the gameplan necessary to put Bell in a position to succeed because Bell's running style is utterly incompatible with such a shitty offensive line.
You can write off the season due to Darnold's mono if you want.
That's sort of an important development.
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2019, 02:40:17 PM
I could care less, beware the non-conformist in the immortal words of Bert Cooper.
Groupthink doesn't necessarily mean you're right, especially when dealing with (no offense because I absolutely consider the posters here to be a cut above the regular rank and file), what the popular opinion is of this fanbase.
You must have missed the part where I said that maybe Gase hasn't developed the gameplan necessary to put Bell in a position to succeed because Bell's running style is utterly incompatible with such a shitty offensive line.
That's sort of an important development.
The Devils should've kept Hynes. He deserved more time to develop gameplans to utilize his roster better.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 10, 2019, 02:42:38 PM
The Devils should've kept Hynes. He deserved more time to develop gameplans to utilize his roster better.
Hey, lets compare ice cream to horse excrement.
Hynes had four years. Gase didn't get through the press conference without people wanting him gone.
And for what its worth, I'm not in favor of giving Gase the leash Hynes had if the results were similar.
But to want him gone based on how the season has gone IMHO isn't objective.
I wanted Harbs here initially, so there's that.
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 02:46:19 PM
I wanted Harbs here initially, so there's that.
I still do, but the second half of Michigan's season means he's probably safe for another year. If he doesn't beat OSU next year though you have to think he's definitely gone.
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2019, 02:46:31 PM
Hey, lets compare ice cream to horse excrement.
Hynes had four years. Gase didn't get through the press conference without people wanting him gone.
And for what its worth, I'm not in favor of giving Gase the leash Hynes had if the results were similar.
But to want him gone based on how the season has gone IMHO isn't objective.
I wanted Harbs here initially, so there's that.
it's not ice cream to horseshit. Gase had 3 years prior in Miami, and the Phins stink wasn't even off of him yet before he was in Florham Park.
It's actually quite comparable.
it's funny that you're playing on both sides of the same narrative. ;)
Post by: mj2sexay on December 10, 2019, 02:53:21 PM
it's not ice cream to horseshit. Gase had 3 years prior in Miami, and the Phins stink wasn't even off of him yet before he was in Florham Park.
It's actually quite comparable.
it's funny that you're playing on both sides of the same narrative. ;)
I'll ask it for the millionth time.
Which Dolphins team under Gase underachieved relative to their talent level?
It's absolutely ice cream to horse excrement. Hynes had four years with the same franchise and underachieved imho in two of them (he gets a pass last year because of the injuries) with said underachievement this year being plainly obvious to anyone who can look at the Devils roster and then see where they are in the standings.
Gase has had the benefit of one off-season with this team, an off-season in which the executive above him (unlike Ray Shero) has a demonstrated record of not having a clue as to what he's doing. He's in his first season with a team which we can all acknowledge is utterly deficient along the offensive line (and corner and pass rusher), and yet when he has his starting quarterback, said team has a .500 record.
All is not rosy, I agree with the criticisms you made specifically about the plan going into the Bengals game. But his performance doesn't warrant a one and done scenario in my opinion.
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
All is not rosy, I agree with the criticisms you made specifically about the plan going into the Bengals game. But his performance doesn't warrant a one and done scenario in my opinion.
Where we differ, and almost certainly will continue to do so, is that I didn't think he was deserving of the job to start with, and I'm certainly not about to say "well he's here now, might as well give him a chance". He shouldn't be here because he is not and has never been good enough to be a head coach - go back before Miami and look at what he did. He wasn't a very good OC either, he drew up plays in his book and Peyton called the offense same as he did most of his career. He was crap in Chicago - let me guess, bad roster, right? I'll say it again - he's a passing game co-ordinator who is living the Peter Principle.
He shouldn't be one and done because he shouldn't have even been interviewed, much less given the job. One and done is the next best option.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 10, 2019, 03:25:46 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2019, 03:26:37 PM
I'll ask it for the millionth time.Gase doesn’t have the benefit of anything. He’s not a rookie HC.
Which Dolphins team under Gase underachieved relative to their talent level?
It's absolutely ice cream to horse excrement. Hynes had four years with the same franchise and underachieved imho in two of them (he gets a pass last year because of the injuries) with said underachievement this year being plainly obvious to anyone who can look at the Devils roster and then see where they are in the standings.
Gase has had the benefit of one off-season with this team, an off-season in which the executive above him (unlike Ray Shero) has a demonstrated record of not having a clue as to what he's doing. He's in his first season with a team which we can all acknowledge is utterly deficient along the offensive line (and corner and pass rusher), and yet when he has his starting quarterback, said team has a .500 record.
All is not rosy, I agree with the criticisms you made specifically about the plan going into the Bengals game. But his performance doesn't warrant a one and done scenario in my opinion.
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2019, 03:26:55 PM
Everything MJ has said on the Jets board today I have thoroughly agreed with.You’re wrong too...congrats
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 03:34:18 PM
Everything MJ has said on the Jets board today I have thoroughly agreed with.
Oh yeah?
QBR is ESPN's desperate attempt at trying to usurp passer rating, and its total garbage.
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist...
Post by: mj2sexay on December 10, 2019, 03:51:18 PM
Everything MJ has said on the Jets board today I have thoroughly agreed with.
<3 <3 <3 <3
Gase doesn’t have the benefit of anything. He’s not a rookie HC.
No, he has three years of a demonstrated record in which none of the teams he coached in Miami underachieved.
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 04:02:38 PM
No, he has three years of a demonstrated record in which none of the teams he coached in Miami underachieved.
U wot m8?
His teams in Miami progressively performed worse the longer he got to put his stamp on them. That 2018 roster featured, amongst others:
- Ryan Tannehill
- DeVante Parker
- Danny Amendola
- Kenyan Drake
- Ja'wuan James
- Laremy Tunsil
- Cam Wake
- Kiko Alonso
- Minkah Fitzpatrick
- Xavien Howard
- Frank Gore
- Albert Wilson
Not all special, but a pretty decent roster all the same. They finished sub .500. Not only did they underachieve under Gase for three years, they got progressively worse as the locker room fell apart.
He is not head coach material. He can not do the things that head coaches need to be able to do.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 10, 2019, 04:15:12 PM
U wot m8?
His teams in Miami progressively performed worse the longer he got to put his stamp on them. That 2018 roster featured, amongst others:
- Ryan Tannehill
- DeVante Parker
- Danny Amendola
- Kenyan Drake
- Ja'wuan James
- Laremy Tunsil
- Cam Wake
- Kiko Alonso
- Minkah Fitzpatrick
- Xavien Howard
- Frank Gore
- Albert Wilson
Not all special, but a pretty decent roster all the same. They finished sub .500. Not only did they underachieve under Gase for three years, they got progressively worse as the locker room fell apart.
He is not head coach material. He can not do the things that head coaches need to be able to do.
Tannehill was injured.
Wilson got injured and before that was being utilized by Gase in a fashion where he was playing the best football of his career.
Fitzpatrick was a rookie. Wake is 847 years old. Ditto Gore. Kiko Alonso is garbage. Amendola is ok.
He had an exceptional corner, a great LT a good RT and a decent receiving core. He had old veterans who are useful, but on the downside.
Especially considering the fact that Brock Osweiler started five of their games last year, how is 7-9 not either right where they should've been, if not an overachievement.
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 04:17:35 PM
Especially considering the fact that Brock Osweiler started five of their games last year, how is 7-9 not either right where they should've been, if not an overachievement.
So why did Miami fire him?
Post by: MBGreen on December 10, 2019, 04:20:51 PM
No, he has three years of a demonstrated record in which none of the teams he coached in Miami underachieved.
[insert random eye roll gif here]
Post by: Jumbo on December 10, 2019, 04:21:25 PM
The trends he's brought with him here, namely being a little bitch when he doesn't get his way, is what should be concerning
Post by: bojanglesman on December 10, 2019, 04:46:28 PM
So why did Miami fire him?Stephen Ross hated him.
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 04:54:34 PM
Stephen Ross hated him.
OK. Why did Stephen Ross hate him?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 10, 2019, 04:57:17 PM
OK. Why did Stephen Ross hate him?
Because of his mad people skilz and coaching ability.
Stahp being a bitch man
Post by: bojanglesman on December 10, 2019, 04:57:29 PM
OK. Why did Stephen Ross hate him?Because they are both assholes and 2 north poles repel.
Post by: Pope on December 10, 2019, 08:02:34 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 10, 2019, 08:08:53 PM
They finished sub .500.
You keep bringing this up, but if Tannehill stayed healthy, they're a playoff team.
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2019, 09:01:22 PM
You keep bringing this up, but if Tannehill stayed healthy, they're a playoff team.
So then again, why did Miami fire Gase if he was doing such a good job? I keep being told how really he was overperforming with a questionable roster and really the players loved him, it was just a couple of bad apples who complained. So why did they get rid of him?
Post by: mj2sexay on December 10, 2019, 09:03:05 PM
So then again, why did Miami fire Gase if he was doing such a good job? I keep being told how really he was overperforming with a questionable roster and really the players loved him, it was just a couple of bad apples who complained. So why did they get rid of him?
He got into a personality clash with the owner. It's as simple as that.
Mangini got fired for the same reason.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 10, 2019, 09:05:21 PM
So then again, why did Miami fire Gase if he was doing such a good job? I keep being told how really he was overperforming with a questionable roster and really the players loved him, it was just a couple of bad apples who complained. So why did they get rid of him?All the stories about Gase's firing were that he and the owner didnt get along. And while I dont think he was unsuccessful in Miami, he wasnt so good where he wasnt replaceable for them.
And well done pwning me about QBR.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 10, 2019, 09:29:55 PM
This feels like the Rex debate all over again
Because the same people hate every coach. Rex actually came in here and won pretty big, didn't matter to them. I don't know how Gase will do here, nobody does really, but I know it's bad to draft a top 3 QB and set him up with a different coach and offense his first three years. So unlike with Rex, I'm not so much arguing the merits of the coach as much as it would be poor management to blow it up again.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 10, 2019, 10:35:58 PM
You keep bringing this up, but if Tannehill stayed healthy, they're a playoff team.
If I had wheels, I'd be a wagon.
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2019, 05:52:40 AM
And well done pwning me about QBR.
I know, that was a low shot!
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2019, 09:23:54 AM
He got into a personality clash with the owner. It's as simple as that.
Mangini got fired for the same reason.
Nonsense.
If the Phins were winning and a perennial playoff team under Gase, Ross would've let him freak his wife.
The problem with Gase is that he's a queynte on top of being incompetent.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 11, 2019, 09:29:01 AM
Because the same people hate every coach. Rex actually came in here and won pretty big, didn't matter to them. I don't know how Gase will do here, nobody does really, but I know it's bad to draft a top 3 QB and set him up with a different coach and offense his first three years. So unlike with Rex, I'm not so much arguing the merits of the coach as much as it would be poor management to blow it up again.
Google translate :
"
Oh the poor guys didn't like Rex. Rex was the bestest coach ever he made me feel so good. Especially,the first 2 years, I refuse to believe his last 4 where every personnel and coaching decision basically sucked balls. This guy's just blindly hate my hero. "
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2019, 09:30:31 AM
Oh the poor guys didn't like Rex. Rex was the bestest coach ever he made me feel so good. Especially,the first 2 years, I refuse to believe his last 4 where every personnel and coaching decision basically sucked balls. "
Or when he immediately ruined another franchise after leaving the Jets. Don't forget to disregard that.
Sucked that mangini didn't build him a roster to take over in Buffalo too.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 11, 2019, 09:34:29 AM
Or when he immediately ruined another franchise after leaving the Jets. Don't forget to disregard that.
Sucked that mangini didn't build him a roster to take over in Buffalo too.
It's like I purposely forget 09-10. I actually formulated my opinion after giving that clown more than enough time.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 11, 2019, 10:03:18 AM
Or when he immediately ruined another franchise after leaving the Jets. Don't forget to disregard that.
Sucked that mangini didn't build him a roster to take over in Buffalo too.
We just had this conversation, I don't have time to educate you twice in a week on the same thing.
Keep pissing in the wind hoping they fire Gase. The owner told us at 1-7 they weren't going to fire him, we're 5-1 since. What makes you think he'll change his mind?
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2019, 10:12:44 AM
We just had this conversation, I don't have time to educate you twice in a week on the same thing.
Keep pissing in the wind hoping they fire Gase. The owner told us at 1-7 they weren't going to fire him, we're 5-1 since. What makes you think he'll change his mind?
you're not educating anyone. Trust me.
We're staring at 5-11. Whether Johnson changes his mind or not...that doesn't mean getting rid of Gase isn't the right thing to do.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 11, 2019, 10:22:35 AM
you're not educating anyone. Trust me.
We're staring at 5-11. Whether Johnson changes his mind or not...that doesn't mean getting rid of Gase isn't the right thing to do.
Belichick went 5-11 his first year in New England after being fired in Cleveland. Good thing you didn't work there.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 11, 2019, 10:27:15 AM
Not sure it'd be significantly better, but I don't care about that at this point. You can write off the season due to Darnold's mono if you want. What I care about at this point is that Gase doesn't seem to have the right mentality to be a consistently successful head coach in the NFL. All of these feuds with players and acting like a baby whenever he doesn't get players who don't fit his scheme - regardless of how many of the stories about Wilson/Amendola in Miami, Bell here, etc. are true, when there's smoke there's fire and I believe it at least to an extent, along with the weird sideline scheming and how often the "offensive genius" has had the team looking flat, just makes me think he's not cut out long term. I held on to hope too long with Bowles off of one successful season, but the implication of this question is right in that we shouldn't be looking at Gase's success purely on a win-loss basis.
Well said and I totally agree.
It appeared to me that when Sam was out, Gase quit on the team and it showed. We were historically inept on offense. And don't give me this 3rd string QB BS, the Steelers are in the hunt for a playoff bid with some dude no one's ever heard of. I find the injury excuse on offense also to be quite tiresome...Williams has no names starting all over the place, yet manages to have a competitive D. That's a sign of a good coach.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 11, 2019, 10:33:13 AM
Belichick went 5-11 his first year in New England after being fired in Cleveland. Good thing you didn't work there.
If the offense was rolling and playing consistently and we were 5-11, I think most would see an upside, but that's not the case. Our record is not the reason most of us want him gone. It's all the stupid childish whiny bullshit that he brings to the table, alienating players, and refusing to modify his scheme to fit the players we have. ANY decent coach can figure out how to use Bell...except him. It's pathetic.
On top of this, the WAY we lost those games w/o Sam was epically embarrassing...never seen anything like it.
This is why he's a excrement coach and needs to GTFO.
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2019, 10:50:03 AM
Belichick went 5-11 his first year in New England after being fired in Cleveland. Good thing you didn't work there.
lol Belichick.
We should put an asterisk on your post to go along with his Superbowl wins.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 11, 2019, 10:59:02 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 11, 2019, 12:17:57 PM
Well said and I totally agree.
It appeared to me that when Sam was out, Gase quit on the team and it showed. We were historically inept on offense. And don't give me this 3rd string QB BS, the Steelers are in the hunt for a playoff bid with some dude no one's ever heard of. I find the injury excuse on offense also to be quite tiresome...Williams has no names starting all over the place, yet manages to have a competitive D. That's a sign of a good coach.
This should kind of be the end-all of the argument. This team literally has someone to compare Gase to in house.
Gase lost Darnold. The offense went to hell. And doesn't even look particularly great with him back.
Williams lost Mosley, after losing Williamson, has had Trumaine Johnson and Daryl Roberts start games, lost Leonhard Williams to trade, Henry Anderson and Quinnen Williams have been invisible, and it's still a middle-of-the-pack defense (and in the top-7 in total yards allowed).
Some coaches get the best production possible out of every player. Some coaches vindictively use other players to prove a point when a guy catches the flu.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on December 11, 2019, 12:53:34 PM
Some coaches vindictively use other players to prove a point when a guy catches the flu.
*Sigh* I'll bite...
Now who might this be?
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 11, 2019, 01:03:15 PM
This should kind of be the end-all of the argument.
The end-all of the argument is the owner said they're not firing the coach. The rest is a lot of wasted time, you can argue until you're blue in the face.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 11, 2019, 01:09:07 PM
Nonsense.
If the Phins were winning and a perennial playoff team under Gase, Ross would've let him freak his wife.
The problem with Gase is that he's a queynte on top of being incompetent.
LMAO that's literally why he was fired, but ok.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 11, 2019, 01:19:23 PM
The end-all of the argument is the owner said they're not firing the coach. The rest is a lot of wasted time, you can argue until you're blue in the face.
Honestly, that's a fair point. But I'd rather complain about it than suck it up and just deal with it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 11, 2019, 01:36:47 PM
LMAO that's literally why he was fired, but ok.
Is that what happened?
Honestly, that's a fair point. But I'd rather complain about it than suck it up and just deal with it.
Haha, I hear you. Between the Jets and Knicks I can take so much hand wringing about the owners not selling the team. It's either kill yourself or keep it in perspective and hope they step in excrement eventually to get something right.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 11, 2019, 01:45:58 PM
This should kind of be the end-all of the argument. This team literally has someone to compare Gase to in house.The downgrade from Darnold to Falk was significantly bigger than every defensive loss combined.
Gase lost Darnold. The offense went to hell. And doesn't even look particularly great with him back.
Williams lost Mosley, after losing Williamson, has had Trumaine Johnson and Daryl Roberts start games, lost Leonhard Williams to trade, Henry Anderson and Quinnen Williams have been invisible, and it's still a middle-of-the-pack defense (and in the top-7 in total yards allowed).
Some coaches get the best production possible out of every player. Some coaches vindictively use other players to prove a point when a guy catches the flu.
Vegas lines dont shirt when defensive players get hurt except for Hall of Fame caliber players. But if any quarterback gets hurt, lines shift a lot if the starter is competent or if the backup is not.
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2019, 01:50:04 PM
LMAO that's literally why he was fired, but ok.
Right..so he magically became competent when he arrived in NY?
freak outta here.
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2019, 05:21:12 PM
LMAO that's literally why he was fired, but ok.He was fired for freaking Mrs. Ross?
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 11, 2019, 05:24:18 PM
The downgrade from Darnold to Falk was significantly bigger than every defensive loss combined.
Vegas lines dont shirt when defensive players get hurt except for Hall of Fame caliber players. But if any quarterback gets hurt, lines shift a lot if the starter is competent or if the backup is not.
Was Falk even in camp? It's not like he was even the backup, he just jumped into starting NFL games, including one at Foxboro.
He was fired for freaking Mrs. Ross?
That's what I read that to mean. Are there pictures anywhere?
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2019, 05:28:43 PM
That's what I read that to mean. Are there pictures anywhere?
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9c3ca77aa1ebb8fdda28396176ac5806/tenor.gif)
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 11, 2019, 05:34:51 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9c3ca77aa1ebb8fdda28396176ac5806/tenor.gif)
LOL any of her? It could go a long way towards whether we should fire him or not.
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2019, 06:15:10 PM
LOL any of her? It could go a long way towards whether we should fire him or not.Christopher Johnson's wife is better looking.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 11, 2019, 07:44:11 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9c3ca77aa1ebb8fdda28396176ac5806/tenor.gif)
this is the coach that agreed leveon bowling was a 'bad optic'
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 11, 2019, 07:49:40 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/9c3ca77aa1ebb8fdda28396176ac5806/tenor.gif)
I can't believe this thing is capable of freaking anything...besides our team's future.
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2019, 07:51:22 PM
Was Falk even in camp? It's not like he was even the backup, he just jumped into starting NFL games, including one at Foxboro.
He was in Miami with Gase all of last season. He was signed because he knows Gase's playbook.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 11, 2019, 07:53:15 PM
this is the coach that agreed leveon bowling was a 'bad optic'Is he wrong?
I thought he was right about Le'Veon. It didn't seem like he cared that much other than the fact it created a headline in the newspapers. It's not a big deal, but it doesn't look good for him or for the team to have headlines about that.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 11, 2019, 08:13:46 PM
Is he wrong?
I thought he was right about Le'Veon. It didn't seem like he cared that much other than the fact it created a headline in the newspapers. It's not a big deal, but it doesn't look good for him or for the team to have headlines about that.
Pretty sure he said no team rules were broken. On the Robby Anderson scale bowling is mild.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2019, 08:59:57 PM
Pretty sure he said no team rules were broken. On the Robby Anderson scale bowling is mild.On that scale, jerking off during a presser is mild.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 11, 2019, 09:14:36 PM
Post by: Pope on December 11, 2019, 09:25:34 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 11, 2019, 11:16:32 PM
But I would like to see us be competitive against Pittsburgh and Buffalo. It's possible we are so bad on the OL that we can't really do anything, but after beating up on other bad teams, it will be interesting to test ourselves against actual good teams/defenses. I'm not counting Baltimore since it's not really fair to ask this team to go to Baltimore on a short week without 500 starters and beat the Ravens.
Post by: MBGreen on December 12, 2019, 08:54:11 AM
Who gives a excrement if he went bowling? The team ruled him out so he did something in his new found free time. Whoopty excrement.
Correct answer
Post by: MBGreen on December 12, 2019, 08:58:17 AM
This is an interesting stretch for Gase. I've made a big deal about us going 4-1 in the last 5 games because the Jets rarely go 4-1 against anyone, and quite frankly, this team isn't good enough to go 4-1 against too many NFL teams.
But I would like to see us be competitive against Pittsburgh and Buffalo. It's possible we are so bad on the OL that we can't really do anything, but after beating up on other bad teams, it will be interesting to test ourselves against actual good teams/defenses. I'm not counting Baltimore since it's not really fair to ask this team to go to Baltimore on a short week without 500 starters and beat the Ravens.
I'm not expecting a win either. But I want to see some "compete" and "fight" with this team.
If we're getting throttled and Gase is seen sitting on the bench scratching his head again...that'll just solidify my opinion that he wasn't the right hire.
Post by: MBGreen on December 12, 2019, 10:37:09 AM
Quote
Manish Mehta
@MMehtaNYDN
·
2h
Adam Gase & John Harbaugh's paths crossed in 2015. Ravens interviewed Gase for their OC job, but they were wholly unimpressed with him during the interview despite Peyton Manning's recommendation.
They thought Gase was too arrogant, per sources. So, they didn't hire him.
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Manish Mehta.
@MMehtaNYDN
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2h
Part II: Joe Vitt stepped in after the Ravens rejected Gase... and called in a favor to John Fox to hire Gase as the Bears OC.
Fox, who had no intention of hiring Gase even though they worked together in Denver, relented after Vitt’s plea
Post by: Johnny English on December 12, 2019, 10:38:36 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 12, 2019, 10:52:13 AM
I'm not expecting a win either. But I want to see some "compete" and "fight" with this team.
If we're getting throttled and Gase is seen sitting on the bench scratching his head again...that'll just solidify my opinion that he wasn't the right hire.
As if we need any more data points to solidify the fact that he was absolutely the wrong hire.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 12, 2019, 10:52:45 AM
It is hilarious how Manish is putting the boot in.
I love it. GFY Gase
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 12, 2019, 10:58:17 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 12, 2019, 11:06:20 AM
It is hilarious how Manish is putting the boot in.
I guess Peyton Manning was the only reference check Christopher Johnson made. ::)
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 12, 2019, 01:55:28 PM
I guess Peyton Manning was the only reference check Christopher Johnson made. ::)
"No question, HIRE HIM"
--Stephen Ross to Chris Johnson, probably
Post by: Jumbo on December 12, 2019, 01:57:50 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 12, 2019, 01:59:54 PM
I find it hard to believe that Vitt had that much pull with John Fox. Plus Mehta is almost as bad at his job as Gase is at his
I tend to tilt towards being in the "Manish is a click-mongering retard" camp. But he's also shown on a few occasions that he's got the inside track (ie Muhammad Wilkerson). I think this may be one of those times.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 12, 2019, 02:16:55 PM
I find it hard to believe that Vitt had that much pull with John Fox. Plus Mehta is almost as bad at his job as Gase is at his
This. They never even coached together.
"Ok guy I may have known in passing, I'll totally hire this guy even though I hated him the last time he was my offensive coordinator."
LOL WUT.
Post by: MBGreen on December 12, 2019, 02:28:38 PM
This. They never even coached together.
"Ok guy I may have known in passing, I'll totally hire this guy even though I hated him the last time he was my offensive coordinator."
LOL WUT.
Quote
"Fox gave credit to Saints interim coach Joe Vitt, who he has known for more than two decades. He said he had a lot of respect for Vitt after coaching against him so many times."
https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_68a06e9e-e263-5ae5-8fc0-d1b0777b7fe4.html
tell us more, genius.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 12, 2019, 10:42:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1205345646439550977
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 12, 2019, 10:45:43 PM
I could post this in any thread since every thread is an anti-Gase thread at this point, but here's some fodder for the anti-Gase mob.
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1205345646439550977
i missed this in-game, but i don't think you can tell much/take away much from this clip
Post by: bojanglesman on December 12, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 12, 2019, 10:49:04 PM
i missed this in-game, but i don't think you can tell much/take away much from this clipI agree, but I'm sure someone will post it at some point, so I figured I would beat people to the punch.
The main reason I've supported Gase (or at least not wanted him drawn and quartered) was because I want Darnold to have continuity in an offense he is gaining more comfort in.
This is the first time I have seen any sort of friction between Gase and Darnold, though like you said, you can't take that much from the clip, especially since excrement happens in the heat of the moment.
Post by: Pope on December 12, 2019, 10:49:51 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 12, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 12, 2019, 10:57:30 PM
That’s the only way I think they’ll fire Gase this offseason. If he loses Darnold he loses his job.I think Gase is back, but I'm sure after the season, Joe Douglas will evaluate Gase and he will hopefully talk to Darnold. I trust Douglas to make the right decision. Yes, I know that it's technically Chris Johnson's decision, but I think he'll defer to Douglas. Chris sees the papers, and I have to think he knows that the fan base mostly hates Gase. If Douglas recommends replacing him, or if Darnold is lukewarm about Gase behind the scenes, Gase will be gone as long as Chris is willing to pay.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 12, 2019, 11:08:41 PM
https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_68a06e9e-e263-5ae5-8fc0-d1b0777b7fe4.html
tell us more, genius.
If you think an NFL head coach is bringing back a coordinator he's worked with before and doesn't want to work with again, you're out of your mind.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 07:17:04 AM
Adam Gase coaching record: 28-35 (53 total)
Number of double digit losses
Hue Jackson: 21
Adam Gase: 26
Adam Gase can not coach a game of football. He might as well just stay home on game day for all the value he adds; he gets blown out because teams do something other than that which he has anticipated, and he has no ability to adjust.
Fingers crossed that Sam can see this and tells the idiot owner to move on from him.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 08:37:28 AM
If you think an NFL head coach is bringing back a coordinator he's worked with before and doesn't want to work with again, you're out of your mind.
should've kept Hynes
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 08:45:16 AM
Hue Jackson coaching record: 11-44-1 (56 total)
Adam Gase coaching record: 28-35 (53 total)
Number of double digit losses
Hue Jackson: 21
Adam Gase: 26
Adam Gase can not coach a game of football. He might as well just stay home on game day for all the value he adds; he gets blown out because teams do something other than that which he has anticipated, and he has no ability to adjust.
Fingers crossed that Sam can see this and tells the idiot owner to move on from him.
As much as I want Sam to turn on Gase, i'm not sure his balls have dropped far enough to make such a power move....after all, he's only 22.
Seeing Sam get in Gase's face last night provides a little hope though.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 13, 2019, 09:12:42 AM
should've kept Hynes
Can't tell whats worse, this comparison or you bringing up Mike Tomlin like thats a fair comparison or benchmark.
The Devils have the worst record in the league with a talented roster, Hynes had four years to implement his system and weigh in on the personnel he wanted. The team demonstratively quit on him.
Gase took over a much worse situation than Tomlin, is taking over a roster him and the current GM had no say in building and had a season where every key component and high calibur player has been hurt for an extended period of time. Every single one.
In terms of the latter (players quitting), you can say the same about Gase-you'd also be wrong.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 09:21:59 AM
Can't tell whats worse, this comparison or you bringing up Mike Tomlin like thats a fair comparison or benchmark.
The Devils have the worst record in the league with a talented roster, Hynes had four years to implement his system and weigh in on the personnel he wanted. The team demonstratively quit on him.
Gase took over a much worse situation than Tomlin, is taking over a roster him and the current GM had no say in building and had a season where every key component and high calibur player has been hurt for an extended period of time. Every single one.
In terms of the latter (players quitting), you can say the same about Gase-you'd also be wrong....
I didn't bring up tomlin as a comparison. Coaching stability was brought up and the discussion turned to winning vs losing and how we shouldn't keep a coach around for stability if he isn't winning games. Like we did with Todd Bowles and Rex Ryan. Tomlin is the model of stability because he's winning on a perennial basis, no matter the circumstances of his roster.
But you do you, man. I can't teach you how to interpret posts on this board. But at least try to be accurate when calling someone out.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2019, 09:28:32 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 13, 2019, 11:27:59 AM
Lol @ "let me post this to get out in front of the QB probably telling the head coach to go freak himself on national TV--nothing to see here"
honestly, i thought there was nothing much to it, but i was only focusing on gase and darnold. somebody then mentioned the clear 'wow wtf, this argument is going there' look on fales' face at one point during the interaction, which i hadn't seen before. that part of it lends more credence than anything else to the possibility of there being palpable discord between the QB and coach last night.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 11:33:25 AM
honestly, i thought there was nothing much to it, but i was only focusing on gase and darnold. somebody then mentioned the clear 'wow wtf, this argument is going there' look on fales' face at one point during the interaction, which i hadn't seen before. that part of it lends more credence than anything else to the possibility of there being palpable discord between the QB and coach last night.
In the heat of the game all kinds of things happen, I wouldn't read too much into that.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 13, 2019, 11:38:30 AM
In the heat of the game all kinds of things happen, I wouldn't read too much into that.
i typically agree with this, and i still contend that there probably wasn't much in that interaction. however, were it the case that something like that actually happened there, kind/shy/timid old sam turning heel and telling his coach to 'freak off' would be a significant event
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 11:41:11 AM
i typically agree with this, and i still contend that there probably wasn't much in that interaction. however, were it the case that something like that actually happened there, kind/shy/timid old sam turning heel and telling his coach to 'freak off' would be a significant event
Sounds like he's getting more assertive over time, he went to Gase mid season and they cleaned up the offense to focus on the stuff Sam wants to run. Young guys tend to be passive, he's not a rookie anymore and I think the longer he's here we'll see more emotion from him.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2019, 11:50:11 AM
honestly, i thought there was nothing much to it, but i was only focusing on gase and darnold. somebody then mentioned the clear 'wow wtf, this argument is going there' look on fales' face at one point during the interaction, which i hadn't seen before. that part of it lends more credence than anything else to the possibility of there being palpable discord between the QB and coach last night.
Did you see Le'Veon's reaction in the background? His eyes got wide, and he wound up looking away.
Then there was always the part where Darnold was walking away, Gase something else, Darnold turned around with a "Huh?" and whatever Gase then said, Darnold made that "GTFO" motion with his hand and walked away for good.
And still, there are people around here who will say "Nothing to see here."
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 12:43:07 PM
Did you see Le'Veon's reaction in the background? His eyes got wide, and he wound up looking away.
Then there was always the part where Darnold was walking away, Gase something else, Darnold turned around with a "Huh?" and whatever Gase then said, Darnold made that "GTFO" motion with his hand and walked away for good.
And still, there are people around here who will say "Nothing to see here."
in b4 Seafood tells Darnold to get along with Gase for the sake of long term stability
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 12:47:49 PM
in b4 Seafood tells Darnold to get along with Gase for the sake of long term stability
I can always tell when you have no valid point, because you have to make up stupid stuff to argue with. Go watch some NFL films of Parcells and Simms back in the day.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 12:52:56 PM
I can always tell when you have no valid point, because you have to make up stupid stuff to argue with. Go watch some NFL films of Parcells and Simms back in the day.
You provide so much funny material.
Apparently the billboards to have Gase fired are going up soon. This is a childish move by the fanbase, but if the gods are just, one of those billboards will go up right in front of Seafood's house.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 12:59:49 PM
You provide so much funny material.
Apparently the billboards to have Gase fired are going up soon. This is a childish move by the fanbase, but if the gods are just, one of those billboards will go up right in front of Seafood's house.
There aren't any billboards near my house.
Also, I'm not a vehement Gase fan as I was Rex, I just think firing the coach every year is counterproductive.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2019, 01:00:58 PM
You provide so much funny material.
Apparently the billboards to have Gase fired are going up soon. This is a childish move by the fanbase, but if the gods are just, one of those billboards will go up right in front of Seafood's house.
I really don't understand the billboard/airplane banner thing. Bitching on a message board is therapeutic, that's just setting cash on fire.
But I'm really curious to see the video of a 22-year-old Phil Simms telling Bill Parcells to GFY on national TV.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 01:01:22 PM
There aren't any billboards near my house.
Also, I'm not a vehement Gase fan as I was Rex, I just think firing the coach every year is counterproductive.
when have we fired a coach every year?
you really need to lay off the narcotics.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 01:01:52 PM
This is a solid move by the fanbase
FTFY. I don't care what he says midseason, Chris Johnson gives a lot of a excrement about what the fans think because angry fans don't buy tickets and jerseys, and there's no ignoring billboards as a clear indication of the fanbase's feelings.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 01:03:45 PM
I really don't understand the billboard/airplane banner thing. Bitching on a message board is therapeutic, that's just setting cash on fire.
I find it hilarious. I live in Central Canada, light years away from NY. I would never donate money to something that stupid, let alone in American funds.
But if it contributes to the firing of Gase, then i can just sit back and enjoy the fruits of some other jackass's financial labor.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 01:04:18 PM
FTFY. I don't care what he says midseason, Chris Johnson gives a lot of a excrement about what the fans think because angry fans don't buy tickets and jerseys, and there's no ignoring billboards as a clear indication of the fanbase's feelings.
see my previous post.
#PutsFeetUpOnTheTable
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2019, 01:05:08 PM
There aren't any billboards near my house.
Also, I'm not a vehement Gase fan as I was Rex, I just think firing the coach every year is counterproductive.
Nobody disagrees with you. At all.
But the problem right now is, they made a bad hire. Keeping him just for the sake of stability is just not understanding sunk costs.
I don't think anyone will disagree with you that it's counterproductive for Darnold to learn a third system in his 3rd year of professional football. But better that than realizing in December 2021 that the system he's spent 3 seasons in is garbage.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 01:07:19 PM
Nobody disagrees with you. At all.
But the problem right now is, they made a bad hire. Keeping him just for the sake of stability is just not understanding sunk costs.
I don't think anyone will disagree with you that it's counterproductive for Darnold to learn a third system in his 3rd year of professional football. But better that than realizing in December 2021 that the system he's spent 3 seasons in is garbage.
we're firing HC coaches every year? I think Seafood flunked mathematics.
Rex - 6 years
Bowles - 4 years
Mangini - 3 years
Herm - 5 years
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 01:16:21 PM
when have we fired a coach every year?
We fired Bowles after last year, if we fire Gase now it will be two straight. That's Cleveland clown show management. You keep bringing up Pittsburgh but you want us to be Cleveland. To answer your question, the last time we fired a coach after one year we fired Pete Carroll and hired Rich Kotite. Be careful what you wish for.
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you really need to lay off the narcotics.
The freak I do. I got four more months of the Knicks when this excrement is over.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 01:16:49 PM
we're firing HC coaches every year? I think Seafood flunked mathematics.
Rex - 6 years
Bowles - 4 years
Mangini - 3 years
Herm - 5 years
You're going back 20 years, I'm talking about now.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 01:19:12 PM
We fired Bowles after last year, if we fire Gase now it will be two straight. That's Cleveland clown show management. You keep bringing up Pittsburgh but you want us to be Cleveland.c'mon man if we fired Gase this offseason, that would be the first time the Jets fired a HC after a single season. We're not Cleveland. Although, keeping Gase would be something dumb enough to be Cleveland worthy.
Christopher Johnson made a bad hire. Correct it before excrement gets worse.
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The freak I do. I got four more months of the Knicks when this excrement is over.
Sorry dude. I rarely watch NBA, but even i know the Knicks are garbage.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 01:20:55 PM
We fired Bowles after last year, if we fire Gase now it will be two straight. That's Cleveland clown show management.
You are correct, but the clown show piece is not in firing Gase after one year, it's in making such an abysmally poor hire in the first place. Alio is right in stating that it's a version of the sunk cost fallacy.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 01:21:13 PM
c'mon man if we fired Gase this offseason, that would be the first time the Jets fired a HC after a single season.
See my edit above. The last time we did it was possibly the worst move ever made by anyone.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 01:21:35 PM
You're going back 20 years, I'm talking about now.
No...you said firing a coach "every" year is counterproductive. And i refuted it because fact is, we have zero history of ever doing that.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 01:22:45 PM
You are correct, but the clown show piece is not in firing Gase after one year, it's in making such an abysmally poor hire in the first place. Alio is right in stating that it's a version of the sunk cost fallacy.
"Sunk cost" is actually the perfect way to describe it.
Post by: Jumbo on December 13, 2019, 01:24:58 PM
You are correct, but the clown show piece is not in firing Gase after one year, it's in making such an abysmally poor hire in the first place. Alio is right in stating that it's a version of the sunk cost fallacy.
It is the literal definition of the sunk cost fallacy. We have two more years to win with Darnold's rookie deal being cheap. I'd rather not waste another losing games by double digits with Gase.
Even a retread like McCarthy or Rivera is fine. I don't think we even need an offensive-minded HC to win with Darnold, although it's probably preferable.
Post by: Jumbo on December 13, 2019, 01:26:40 PM
The last time we fired a coach after one year we fired Pete Carroll
Yes, Pete Carroll who was incredibly successful at his next HC stop in New England. Questionable to even call that a mistake. Hiring Kotite is a separate issue.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 01:36:18 PM
Yes, Pete Carroll who was incredibly successful at his next HC stop in New England. Questionable to even call that a mistake.
Yeah, but if we'd just stuck with him for another 10-15 years, look what a coach we'd have ended up with!
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 01:41:47 PM
Yes, Pete Carroll who was incredibly successful at his next HC stop in New England. Questionable to even call that a mistake. Hiring Kotite is a separate issue.
Hiring Kotite is the whole issue because that's what we ended up with. What the coach we fire goes on to is of no significance to the Jets, it's what we end up with here. Make a hasty move and you live with the result. In those days we had Boomer at the end of his career, not a young guy trying to find his way, you could make the case that this would be more damaging.
Post by: Jumbo on December 13, 2019, 01:49:48 PM
Hiring Kotite is the whole issue because that's what we ended up with. What the coach we fire goes on to is of no significance to the Jets, it's what we end up with here. Make a hasty move and you live with the result. In those days we had Boomer at the end of his career, not a young guy trying to find his way, you could make the case that this would be more damaging.
If we fired Carroll and then hired a HC who went on to win 10 Super Bowls, would it still have been a bad move to fire Carroll?
They're not fully mutually exclusive events, since among other things firing the HC could theoretically affect who you can hire, but they're close.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 01:49:49 PM
Hiring Kotite is the whole issue because that's what we ended up with. What the coach we fire goes on to is of no significance to the Jets, it's what we end up with here. Make a hasty move and you live with the result. In those days we had Boomer at the end of his career, not a young guy trying to find his way, you could make the case that this would be more damaging.
This wouldn't be a hasty move. It would be corrective action. And if you're worried about Sam's development, we shouldn't be arguing this.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 01:57:36 PM
This wouldn't be a hasty move. It would be corrective action. And if you're worried about Sam's development, we shouldn't be arguing this.
Why not? How many different offenses do you want the kid to have to learn before he's free to sign with a team that doesn't do this to him? How well do you think we'll start next year with another new offense guys don't know until the middle of the year? And then we'll want that coach fired.
If we fired Carroll and then hired a HC who went on to win 10 Super Bowls, would it still have been a bad move to fire Carroll?
They're not fully mutually exclusive events, since among other things firing the HC could theoretically affect who you can hire, but they're close.
Hess fired Carroll and hired Kotite in one move, there was no search, no interviews, no nothing. One announcement by Hess himself. Like MBGreen he was tired of losing and wanted results immediately. Haste makes waste.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2019, 02:00:44 PM
Hess fired Carroll and hired Kotite in one move, there was no search, no interviews, no nothing. One announcement by Hess himself. Like MBGreen he was tired of losing and wanted results immediately. Haste makes waste.
“Inaction breeds doubt and fear. Action breeds confidence and courage.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 02:02:37 PM
Hiring Kotite is the whole issue because that's what we ended up with. What the coach we fire goes on to is of no significance to the Jets, it's what we end up with here. Make a hasty move and you live with the result. In those days we had Boomer at the end of his career, not a young guy trying to find his way, you could make the case that this would be more damaging.
Right, so your problem isn't with firing crap coaches, it's the fear that we'll end up with an even worse one. We're broadly in agreement on that then, except that I think the answer is to get better at hiring than just keep our fingers crossed that the crap one somehow figures it out eventually.
Post by: Jumbo on December 13, 2019, 02:02:40 PM
“Inaction breeds doubt and fear. Action breeds confidence and courage.
The future is now, old man
Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2019, 02:05:14 PM
Whether stability with the wrong leadership is or isn't is where the conversation gets murky.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2019, 02:05:31 PM
The future is now, old man
Age is but a number
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2019, 02:08:39 PM
Also, he had a winning record in New England (27-21). He just didn't have Tom Brady.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 02:12:58 PM
Why not? How many different offenses do you want the kid to have to learn before he's free to sign with a team that doesn't do this to him? How well do you think we'll start next year with another new offense guys don't know until the middle of the year? And then we'll want that coach fired.
Hess fired Carroll and hired Kotite in one move, there was no search, no interviews, no nothing. One announcement by Hess himself. Like MBGreen he was tired of losing and wanted results immediately. Haste makes waste.
Like i said, IS....correct the mistake before it gets worse. If Sam has to learn a new offense, that's fine. He's a smart kid and only 22 years old, i'm sure he'll survive. Gase isn't the guy.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
Everyone is in agreement, stability is good right?
Whether stability with the wrong leadership is or isn't is where the conversation gets murky.
Yes.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 02:14:42 PM
Right, so your problem isn't with firing crap coaches, it's the fear that we'll end up with an even worse one. We're broadly in agreement on that then, except that I think the answer is to get better at hiring than just keep our fingers crossed that the crap one somehow figures it out eventually.
Nobody wants to hire a shittier coach than the last one....even though that's EXACTLY what we just did.
Is it too much to ask to find a "better" coach? Why should we be saddled with garbage for the sake of stability.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 02:25:44 PM
Right, so your problem isn't with firing crap coaches, it's the fear that we'll end up with an even worse one. We're broadly in agreement on that then, except that I think the answer is to get better at hiring than just keep our fingers crossed that the crap one somehow figures it out eventually.
Nobody wants to hire a shittier coach than the last one....even though that's EXACTLY what we just did.
Is it too much to ask to find a "better" coach? Why should we be saddled with garbage for the sake of stability.
You guys are living this pipe dream that the Johnsons will either let Douglas fire the guy he was brought in to work with, which isn't even how this is set up, or do it themselves and suddenly hire a good coach. I think it's a lot more realistic to let Darnold get a better grasp of the offense we have now, get some guys back, have a good draft with Douglas and be more competitive that way. I don't think this year has been disastrous to the point where it's necessary to blow it all up again. There's been some disappointments, some good stuff, a lot of guys on IR, about what we expected in, again you know, reality.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2019, 02:27:06 PM
Nobody wants to hire a shittier coach than the last one....even though that's EXACTLY what we just did.
Is it too much to ask to find a "better" coach? Why should we be saddled with garbage for the sake of stability.
Because
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 02:33:38 PM
You guys are living this pipe dream that the Johnsons will either let Douglas fire the guy he was brought in to work with, which isn't even how this is set up, or do it themselves and suddenly hire a good coach. I think it's a lot more realistic to let Darnold get a better grasp of the offense we have now, get some guys back, have a good draft with Douglas and be more competitive that way. I don't think this year has been disastrous to the point where it's necessary to blow it all up again. There's been some disappointments, some good stuff, a lot of guys on IR, about what we expected in, again you know, reality.
I respect your opinion. I think it's wrong. I think there's absolutely a chance that Johnson looks at how this season has gone, especially if we finish 5-11, and talks to Douglas and to Sam and to other locker room leaders, and makes an assessment of the general vibe and perception of Gase in the building, and then makes his decision. If the FO and the team say that they're behind him and that they believe that his system will work if players stay healthy and we get better quality at key positions, then he'll stay. If the response is that Gase is difficult to work for and with, that they don't believe in his ability to effectively call the right plays, and that underperformance will likely continue even with improved players on the roster because his actions set them up to fail, I think there's a very decent chance he gets fired.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 02:37:15 PM
I respect your opinion. I think it's wrong. I think there's absolutely a chance that Johnson looks at how this season has gone, especially if we finish 5-11, and talks to Douglas and to Sam and to other locker room leaders, and makes an assessment of the general vibe and perception of Gase in the building, and then makes his decision. If the FO and the team say that they're behind him and that they believe that his system will work if players stay healthy and we get better quality at key positions, then he'll stay. If the response is that Gase is difficult to work for and with, that they don't believe in his ability to effectively call the right plays, and that underperformance will likely continue even with improved players on the roster because his actions set them up to fail, I think there's a very decent chance he gets fired.
That would be fine too, as long as Douglas gets to hire the coach and Darnold is on board. Otherwise we're looking at another Porzingus situation when it's time to try and re-sign him.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2019, 02:40:50 PM
I respect your opinion. I think it's wrong. I think there's absolutely a chance that Johnson looks at how this season has gone, especially if we finish 5-11, and talks to Douglas and to Sam and to other locker room leaders, and makes an assessment of the general vibe and perception of Gase in the building, and then makes his decision. If the FO and the team say that they're behind him and that they believe that his system will work if players stay healthy and we get better quality at key positions, then he'll stay. If the response is that Gase is difficult to work for and with, that they don't believe in his ability to effectively call the right plays, and that underperformance will likely continue even with improved players on the roster because his actions set them up to fail, I think there's a very decent chance he gets fired.
I think that's reasonable analysis and I hope that's what happens when the season is over. I truly hope they do an honest soup to nuts assessment of the team across the board and I mean everyone medical and training staff included.
I have no idea if it truly happens but if it does and the result is Gase stays, then I am much cooler then if Johnson flips the bird to fans and says freak off, he stays no matter what.
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2019, 02:43:38 PM
I respect your opinion. I think it's wrong. I think there's absolutely a chance that Johnson looks at how this season has gone, especially if we finish 5-11, and talks to Douglas and to Sam and to other locker room leaders, and makes an assessment of the general vibe and perception of Gase in the building, and then makes his decision. If the FO and the team say that they're behind him and that they believe that his system will work if players stay healthy and we get better quality at key positions, then he'll stay. If the response is that Gase is difficult to work for and with, that they don't believe in his ability to effectively call the right plays, and that underperformance will likely continue even with improved players on the roster because his actions set them up to fail, I think there's a very decent chance he gets fired.
This is how I figured it should go down. Will it? probably not...because i don't trust the Johnsons to make sound decisions.
But in a perfect world, that's how this season should be evaluated. Good post.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2019, 02:49:26 PM
I think that's reasonable analysis and I hope that's what happens when the season is over. I truly hope they do an honest soup to nuts assessment of the team across the board and I mean everyone medical and training staff included.
I have no idea if it truly happens but if it does and the result is Gase stays, then I am much cooler then if Johnson flips the bird to fans and says freak off, he stays no matter what.
I would still not like it, but I'd be a lot more comfortable if they truly did a top-to-bottom organizational review and came to the conclusion--thanks to input from everyone including franchise players like Darnold and Adams--that Gase warrants additional time.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 02:52:46 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 02:55:31 PM
Becausegreedstability for lack of a better word is good.
Thank you for getting the referenced quote correct.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 02:56:46 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2019, 02:58:29 PM
That would be fine too, as long as Douglas gets to hire the coach and Darnold is on board. Otherwise we're looking at another Porzingus situation when it's time to try and re-sign him.
I agree entirely. Douglas should be hiring the head coach he thinks can get the best out of the roster he is building, and as the single most important man in the entire building Sam should have a say in who he's playing for.
This idea of the Johnsons picking guys based on recommendations from people with no stake in the process and then hoping that they'll somehow figure out how to work together effectively is proven lunacy.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 03:00:13 PM
Douglas' likely response will be, "If we give Adam [these things] the team will improve." I think the conversation will stop there and will not go into the locker room unless the locker room reaches out to both Johnson and Douglas directly.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2019, 03:00:27 PM
I respect your opinion. I think it's wrong. I think there's absolutely a chance that Johnson looks at how this season has gone, especially if we finish 5-11, and talks to Douglas and to Sam and to other locker room leaders, and makes an assessment of the general vibe and perception of Gase in the building, and then makes his decision. If the FO and the team say that they're behind him and that they believe that his system will work if players stay healthy and we get better quality at key positions, then he'll stay. If the response is that Gase is difficult to work for and with, that they don't believe in his ability to effectively call the right plays, and that underperformance will likely continue even with improved players on the roster because his actions set them up to fail, I think there's a very decent chance he gets fired.Exactly. Great post.
Based on the results, the injuries and the time he has had to implement his system, I dont think it would be fair to fire him. I actually think the offense has made major strides and could take a huge step forward if the OL is upgraded.
But fairness doesnt matter. I laugh at people here who blame Gase for everything but if he has lost the locker room, then fire him. I think people have had a tendency to spin every little thing into being anti-Gase, but I'm not in the room. If they dont like or trust Gase, then fire him.
Even though they haven't earned the benefit of the doubt, I have to trust Chris and Douglas to make the right choice. I dont think he necessarily deserves to be fired based on what I can see on TV, but if hes as bad behind the scenes as some of you have speculated, he should be fired.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 03:10:50 PM
This idea of the Johnsons picking guys based on recommendations from people with no stake in the process and then hoping that they'll somehow figure out how to work together effectively is proven lunacy.
When they first bought the team they inherited Parcells, who stuck around another year when Belichick bolted, did the draft and gave them some good advice. But he had loyalty to the organization, he had coached here a few years. Somehow they parlayed that into hiring these "football" guys who, as you mention, have no more interest in the Jets than any other team who would call or pay them. Douglas is here now on a six year deal, if they're smart they'll put it on him.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 13, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
I could post this in any thread since every thread is an anti-Gase thread at this point, but here's some fodder for the anti-Gase mob.
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1205345646439550977
after watching this several more times, the best thing about this clip is the jets beanie that fales is wearing. it looks tough as hell, and it's on sale at fanatics right now. amazing team optics on display
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2019, 03:29:02 PM
after watching this several more times, the best thing about this clip is the jets beanie that fales is wearing. it looks tough as hell, and it's on sale at fanatics right now. amazing team optics on display
Def. I'm ordering one once I get back to the States.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 13, 2019, 03:29:57 PM
after watching this several more times, the best thing about this clip is the jets beanie that fales is wearing. it looks tough as hell, and it's on sale at fanatics right now. amazing team optics on display
Whatever is going down there doesn't seem to phase Bell.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 13, 2019, 05:26:04 PM
What does Arizona think of this? They just did it, with a rookie HC and a top 10 QB they traded up for.
I’d be curious if their fan base thinks it was the right move or if they should have waited.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2019, 05:42:46 PM
To the firing a coach after one year thing....Wilks was far worse than Gase IMO. Cardinals were 3-13 after an 8-8 season and they were non-competitive. And Kingsbury is 3-9-1.
What does Arizona think of this? They just did it, with a rookie HC and a top 10 QB they traded up for.
I’d be curious if their fan base thinks it was the right move or if they should have waited.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 13, 2019, 08:25:14 PM
after watching this several more times, the best thing about this clip is the jets beanie that fales is wearing. it looks tough as hell, and it's on sale at fanatics right now. amazing team optics on display
...you're right, its a sick beanie.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 14, 2019, 01:57:35 AM
I kind of think most teams do this after most seasons, don't they? Not always about keeping the coach or not, but a self evaluation and talk to people while they're still in the building and memories are fresh.
Properly run franchises absolutely do this. Look at Baltimore for example, they have let go a excrement load of coaches, scouts, assistants etc. They're always about improving and getting rid of dead wood.
It's imperative this franchise do the same. Whether that means Gase, I don't know, but certainly there's room for improvement both organically and externally.
Again, I dislike Gase for many of the reasons stated. That said, a true taking stock of the franchise etc and it's deemed the right move to keep him, will then that's the process. I just don't trust Johnson will do this properly.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 14, 2019, 04:38:52 AM
Properly run franchises absolutely do this. Look at Baltimore for example, they have let go a excrement load of coaches, scouts, assistants etc. They're always about improving and getting rid of dead wood.I think the Johnsons are relatively sensitive to what the general public thinks, and I think Chris reads all the headlines. That said, I also think he believes in stability and loyalty. The Johnsons easily could have fired Rex along with Tannenbaum, and they didn't. They could have fired Bowles after 2016, and they didn't. Granted, both of those guys had success early, while Gase has not.
It's imperative this franchise do the same. Whether that means Gase, I don't know, but certainly there's room for improvement both organically and externally.
Again, I dislike Gase for many of the reasons stated. That said, a true taking stock of the franchise etc and it's deemed the right move to keep him, will then that's the process. I just don't trust Johnson will do this properly.
Ultimately, I believe the Johnsons will think the same thing that most of us think - the most important part of the Jets' future is the development of Sam Darnold. Gase was hired in large part to develop Darnold. I don't like a bunch of things about Gase, but if Darnold supports Gase, Douglas supports Gase, and Darnold continues to show flashes, it's probably best for Darnold to stay in the same system for one more year.
I have to hope that they will take a look at the entire organization this offseason. This year, we had to fire our GM midseason because Gase realized he was working with an incompetent buffoon who was going to get him fired. In 2 weeks, Douglas or Johnson or someone needs to get feedback from Adams, Darnold, McLendon and other team leaders as to what they think about Gase. If Douglas is convinced Gase is a bad coach, and Darnold isn't as high on Gase in private as he is in public, then we should fire Gase in 2 weeks and get it over with.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 14, 2019, 05:34:14 AM
I think the Johnsons are relatively sensitive to what the general public thinks, and I think Chris reads all the headlines. That said, I also think he believes in stability and loyalty. The Johnsons easily could have fired Rex along with Tannenbaum, and they didn't. They could have fired Bowles after 2016, and they didn't. Granted, both of those guys had success early, while Gase has not.
Ultimately, I believe the Johnsons will think the same thing that most of us think - the most important part of the Jets' future is the development of Sam Darnold. Gase was hired in large part to develop Darnold. I don't like a bunch of things about Gase, but if Darnold supports Gase, Douglas supports Gase, and Darnold continues to show flashes, it's probably best for Darnold to stay in the same system for one more year.
I have to hope that they will take a look at the entire organization this offseason. This year, we had to fire our GM midseason because Gase realized he was working with an incompetent buffoon who was going to get him fired. In 2 weeks, Douglas or Johnson or someone needs to get feedback from Adams, Darnold, McLendon and other team leaders as to what they think about Gase. If Douglas is convinced Gase is a bad coach, and Darnold isn't as high on Gase in private as he is in public, then we should fire Gase in 2 weeks and get it over with.
Couldn’t agree more. If the internal leaders don’t want anything to do with Gase AND Douglas isn’t convinced, he needs to go. Doesn’t mean he will, but he should. Honestly the only one that matters is Sam.
If Sam isn’t getting along/working well/lost confidence in Gase, Sam won’t continue to grow anyways and that’s all that matters
Post by: Miamipuck on December 14, 2019, 08:36:33 AM
I think the Johnsons are relatively sensitive to what the general public thinks, and I think Chris reads all the headlines. That said, I also think he believes in stability and loyalty. The Johnsons easily could have fired Rex along with Tannenbaum, and they didn't. They could have fired Bowles after 2016, and they didn't. Granted, both of those guys had success early, while Gase has not.
Ultimately, I believe the Johnsons will think the same thing that most of us think - the most important part of the Jets' future is the development of Sam Darnold. Gase was hired in large part to develop Darnold. I don't like a bunch of things about Gase, but if Darnold supports Gase, Douglas supports Gase, and Darnold continues to show flashes, it's probably best for Darnold to stay in the same system for one more year.
I have to hope that they will take a look at the entire organization this offseason. This year, we had to fire our GM midseason because Gase realized he was working with an incompetent buffoon who was going to get him fired. In 2 weeks, Douglas or Johnson or someone needs to get feedback from Adams, Darnold, McLendon and other team leaders as to what they think about Gase. If Douglas is convinced Gase is a bad coach, and Darnold isn't as high on Gase in private as he is in public, then we should fire Gase in 2 weeks and get it over with.
I hope the Johnson's do the right thing. Will they? They want to but I am not sure they're savvy enough nor have the backbone to do what's necessary. That said I am pretty sure they listen to the fanbase but still not certain I want then to do that as we all know a good portion of our fanbase either belong in prison or are functionally retarded or both. I don't mean anyone here.
I don't want Gase fired because I personally dislike him, don't believe he can eventually win and or think he had the chops to lead an NFL team. I want him gone only after its determined the guys on the ground, working with him day to day think and feel that way. I am not nor would ever want a coach to be summarily executed. They deserve a formal review.
The reason I can't think this would happen is yeah the Johnson's are loyal but it was painfully clear if they took stock of things Mac, Bowles, Rex, Tanny etc would have been gone a year or two sooner if not more.
The main thing is we have a franchise QB, do whatever it takes to make that guy happy and protected. Let's do the exact opposite they did with Sanchez. Those two guys are way different yes, Darnold has more talent in his pinky then Sanchez in his entire body.
I know we are all in universal agreement when it comes to Sam and his development. Doing that properly can set the Jets up for a dozen years or more, and I mean good years.
It's the Jets and it's a freaking scary proposition.
Also keep Jamal, I was pissed at his nonsense during the trade deadline but he's an all world talent.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2019, 09:02:44 AM
I think the Johnsons are relatively sensitive to what the general public thinks, and I think Chris reads all the headlines. That said, I also think he believes in stability and loyalty. The Johnsons easily could have fired Rex along with Tannenbaum, and they didn't. They could have fired Bowles after 2016, and they didn't. Granted, both of those guys had success early, while Gase has not.
Ultimately, I believe the Johnsons will think the same thing that most of us think - the most important part of the Jets' future is the development of Sam Darnold. Gase was hired in large part to develop Darnold. I don't like a bunch of things about Gase, but if Darnold supports Gase, Douglas supports Gase, and Darnold continues to show flashes, it's probably best for Darnold to stay in the same system for one more year.
I have to hope that they will take a look at the entire organization this offseason. This year, we had to fire our GM midseason because Gase realized he was working with an incompetent buffoon who was going to get him fired. In 2 weeks, Douglas or Johnson or someone needs to get feedback from Adams, Darnold, McLendon and other team leaders as to what they think about Gase. If Douglas is convinced Gase is a bad coach, and Darnold isn't as high on Gase in private as he is in public, then we should fire Gase in 2 weeks and get it over with.
I agree with most of what you said, I just think Joe Douglas and Darnold will be fine whether or not Gase is here. I’d rather not hold back our franchise QB and GM leading the rebuild with the task of finding out if Gase is a good coach or not.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 15, 2019, 02:34:19 PM
I agree with most of what you said, I just think Joe Douglas and Darnold will be fine whether or not Gase is here. I’d rather not hold back our franchise QB and GM leading the rebuild with the task of finding out if Gase is a good coach or not.
I mean forcing Douglas to keep Gase another year buys him sometime to rebuild the roster, so Douglas will look better when he gets a new HC in year 3
The question is whether the Jets keep Gase at that point and if Darnold is corrupted
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2019, 03:13:33 PM
Post by: reuben on December 15, 2019, 03:37:05 PM
https://twitter.com/rajpc1/status/1206310463547551744
Quote
“The Ravens have been vulnerable to outside the tackles rushing, ranking in the bottom 3 in yards per carry allowed on outside rushes”
Gase: nah
Heh.
Post by: reuben on December 15, 2019, 03:38:50 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 16, 2019, 06:07:55 AM
They’re all having career years.
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2019, 06:20:56 AM
Ryan Tannehill, Kenyan Drake, and Devante Parker combined for 8 TDs yesterday.He's like the good luck Chuck of coaches, as soon as we fire him, Sam will become elite.
They’re all having career years.
Post by: MBGreen on December 16, 2019, 09:17:07 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 16, 2019, 12:34:53 PM
I hate that the Bills are in the playoffs. freaking hate it.
What does this have to do with Adam Gase?
Post by: MBGreen on December 16, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
What does this have to do with Adam Gase?
Because the Bills are doing it right....and we're freaking around with Adam Gase.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 20, 2019, 06:33:50 AM
There's a fine line between genius and dumbass in the NFL.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 20, 2019, 11:14:40 AM
Click the link and you'll see a familiar name as a donator
Post by: bojanglesman on December 20, 2019, 11:29:13 AM
https://www.gofundme.com/f/fireadamgaseI guess you could fake a name. Doubt Manish would openly do that.
Click the link and you'll see a familiar name as a donator
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 20, 2019, 12:35:44 PM
The remaining 23 teams are not expected to make a coaching change this offseason.
There are, of course, surprises every hiring and firing season that can't be factored in as of now.
"The Browns can announce that Kitchens is the guy, but I don't know anyone who believes his job is safe," said one former NFL general manager who hopes to break back in. "That situation is a mess, and while ownership might not want to pay another fired head coach, something has to give."
The same goes for the New York Jets. One player told me Adam Gase has lost the respect of the locker room with his "tough guy bulls--t attitude" and the team's lack of a plan offensively. "Guys actually respect Gregg Williams," the player said. "No one respects Gase."
Owner Christopher Johnson fired Todd Bowles and the front office last offseason, though, and might not be willing to pay another coach to leave.
I believe this. Williams is a super hard derriere, but has a track record of success to back it up. Douchface Gase, on the other hand...does not.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 21, 2019, 10:04:48 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2019, 10:12:24 AM
It’s Matt Miller, a guy who is always wrong
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2019, 01:35:00 PM
https://twitter.com/rajpc1/status/1208176891145998341?s=21
Post by: insanity on December 21, 2019, 02:25:49 PM
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1208205885220311046?s=21
https://twitter.com/rajpc1/status/1208176891145998341?s=21
I think this is less about the jets than it is about ed reed. Reed has been talking about this all year while complaining that no team (college or nfl) want him as a coach
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 21, 2019, 02:44:49 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 21, 2019, 03:38:23 PM
I think this is less about the jets than it is about ed reed. Reed has been talking about this all year while complaining that no team (college or nfl) want him as a coachI have no idea what he is referring to but just because you're a great player doesnt mean you are qualified to be a coach.
Post by: Pope on December 21, 2019, 04:33:13 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 21, 2019, 05:10:35 PM
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1208205885220311046?s=21
https://twitter.com/rajpc1/status/1208176891145998341?s=21
apparently he was there giving motivational talks to the defense. if that's the case, then that's probably what the above clip is about. he likely told the players that they can have all the talent in the world and be 'NFL' players but it doesn't mean anything if they don't work for it etc etc etc
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2019, 08:32:07 PM
Post by: insanity on December 21, 2019, 10:03:37 PM
I have no idea what he is referring to but just because you're a great player doesnt mean you are qualified to be a coach.Ed reed disagrees
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 23, 2019, 10:56:44 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
https://twitter.com/grindingthetape/status/1209135710936215552?s=21
Your healthy reminder that while The Draft Network’s mock draft tool is a lot of fun, all of their content creators are gigantic faggots.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 23, 2019, 10:59:26 AM
Edit: 2018 Jets under Todd Bowles had a higher ranked offense than the 2018 dolphins in points for and yardage.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 23, 2019, 11:05:09 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 23, 2019, 11:05:44 AM
The dolphins fired Gase, traded Kenyan Drake, played Rosen and Fitz this entire year. The Jets hired Gase, signed LeVeon Bell, and have a potential franchise QB in place. The dolphins have a higher ranked offense than the Jets.
Edit: 2018 Jets under Todd Bowles had a higher ranked offense than the 2018 dolphins in points for and yardage.
Gase apologists swooping in 3.....2.....
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 23, 2019, 11:08:08 AM
Your healthy reminder that while The Draft Network’s mock draft tool is a lot of fun, all of their content creators are gigantic faggots.
This is very correct. I like Jordan Reid, but he just signed on with them last year and made his name independently.
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 11:08:13 AM
Weird that Kliff Kingsbury doesn’t have that same issue that Gase had with Kenyan Drake. Averaging 5.25 yards per carry.
Somebody else on the Miami offensive staff must've been making the adjustments.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2019, 01:19:09 PM
Somebody else on the Miami offensive staff must've been making the adjustments.
Because Kenyan Drake's issues with Miami were all because of Adam Gase.
He had so much success there after Gase left that they traded him for peanuts.
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 01:37:48 PM
Because Kenyan Drake's issues with Miami were all because of Adam Gase.
He had so much success there after Gase left that they traded him for peanuts.
#TeflonGase
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2019, 01:45:34 PM
#TeflonGase
47 carries for 147 yards in 6 games this season with Miami. (3.1 YPC)
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 01:55:42 PM
47 carries for 147 yards in 6 games this season with Miami. (3.1 YPC)
Miami sucks. They're currently stripping down the team this year (that Gase built btw).
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2019, 01:57:35 PM
Miami sucks. They're currently stripping down the team this year (that Gase built btw).
Oh yeah, I forgot that Adam Gase was Miami's GM too.
Stop making excrement up.
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 01:58:17 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot that Adam Gase was Miami's GM too.
Stop making excrement up.
Oh right..the HC has zero input on the roster. Seafood is that you?
i don't need to make excrement up....it's pretty cut and dried.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 23, 2019, 02:18:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 02:27:32 PM
If we beat Buffalo in an ugly game, will you still want Gase fired?
It's not about one game. It's his entire body of work, and his ability to take this team to the next level (which in my opinion, i don't think he has).
There are rumblings that Buffalo is going to sit their starters next week...winning ugly won't prove anything anyway.
I will throw you this bone. After Douglas improves the roster and the roster gets healthy in 2020. If we start beating some teams that are actually better than .500 (and trust, our schedule is loaded with them)...i'll change my perspective. I just don't think it's going to happen....not with Gase.
Please, prove me wrong. Because i prefer winning.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 23, 2019, 02:31:27 PM
If we beat Buffalo in an ugly game, will you still want Gase fired?
It's kind of a moot point since barring an off the field incident Gase is 100% coming back.
The only discussion should be what does Gase have to do or improve or not do next year to warrant a year 3
For me it's live and die by improving the OL and Sam's success.
If Sam has a statistically relevant improvement next year, then give Gase a 3rd year.
If he doesn't, make Greg Williams the interim coach during the bye and start our coaching search early.
This team lives and dies on Sam's success. And based on Gases numerous weaknesses, Sam improving is the ONLY way Gase warrants continuing to exist here
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
Bowles was a piece of crap, but it took 4 seasons for ownership to figure that out. Do we have to burn additional seasons for the Johnsons to come to the same conclusion about Gase?
And yes, i know we have injuries (so do other teams), and yes our oline stinks (not everyone has a pro bowl oline)...but our HC isn't great regardless of all that. I don't want to freak around for another few seasons because Christopher Johnson is trying to save face. We have a franchise QB now. Time is of the essence.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 23, 2019, 02:35:54 PM
It's not about one game. It's his entire body of work, and his ability to take this team to the next level (which in my opinion, i don't think he has).I just dont think he has shown one way or the other whether or not he can be the guy. He was mediocre in Miami but the only year he had a healthy QB, he made the playoffs. And as soon as he left, they hated the roster so much they decided to blow it up. Maybe Gase deserves some blame for the roster, I dont know, but I also dont think it matters since Gase isnt the GM here.
There are rumblings that Buffalo is going to sit their starters next week...winning ugly won't prove anything anyway.
I will throw you this bone. After Douglas improves the roster and the roster gets healthy in 2020. If we start beating some teams that are actually better than .500 (and trust, our schedule is loaded with them)...i'll change my perspective. I just don't think it's going to happen....not with Gase.
Please, prove me wrong. Because i prefer winning.
I know you say it isnt about the results, but I cant imagine a coach getting fired after one season where he went 6-2 down the stretch. This team has built some momentum into the offseason. I'd like to see if Year 2 is better with health, continuity and our 22-year old QB not being quarantined for almost a quarter of the season.
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 02:44:24 PM
I just dont think he has shown one way or the other whether or not he can be the guy. He was mediocre in Miami but the only year he had a healthy QB, he made the playoffs. And as soon as he left, they hated the roster so much they decided to blow it up. Maybe Gase deserves some blame for the roster, I dont know, but I also dont think it matters since Gase isnt the GM here.
I know you say it isnt about the results, but I cant imagine a coach getting fired after one season where he went 6-2 down the stretch. This team has built some momentum into the offseason. I'd like to see if Year 2 is better with health, continuity and our 22-year old QB not being quarantined for almost a quarter of the season.
That's the problem, DS. He was mediocre in Miami. Healthy QB or not. He didn't do anything to move the needle. You couple that with his abrasive personality and ego, and i'm thinking Christopher Johnson bought a bag of magic beans.
Gase had a hand in firing Macc and essentially hand-picked Douglas for Johnson to hire. You know he's going to have his hands all over this roster.
IIRC, one of the reasons why Gase and Stephen Ross didn't see eye to eye is because Gase didn't have last say on the roster. So actually, i owe Heis an apology. I thought Gase had more control in Miami.
And you're right, he's not getting fired after this season. CJ made that perfectly clear. But that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be, and his seat should be quite hot going into 2020.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 23, 2019, 02:53:41 PM
Jets should win, then again this is essentially our backups vs theirs since our whole team died by midseason.
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 02:54:14 PM
I don't know if Buffalo will play starters much, if at all this week. They are locked in at #5. They may roll Allen out there for a quarter or so. I don't even know who their backup QB is. Edit: Matt Barkley.
Jets should win.
Didn't Matt Barkley light us up last year?
Post by: mj2sexay on December 23, 2019, 03:02:50 PM
That's the problem, DS. He was mediocre in Miami. Healthy QB or not. He didn't do anything to move the needle.
He also had mediocre talent to work with at best. When he had his starting quarterback, he had a 13-11 record.
Gase had a hand in firing Macc and essentially hand-picked Douglas for Johnson to hire. You know he's going to have his hands all over this roster.
Good, Macc sucked.
And you're right, he's not getting fired after this season. CJ made that perfectly clear. But that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be, and his seat should be quite hot going into 2020.
I agree with the latter part of your statement in the respect that he shouldn't feel secure in his position, but in what universe does he deserve to be fired off of the results of this year? Given all the injuries, how could anyone have expected better than 6-10/7-9?
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 23, 2019, 03:32:26 PM
I just dont think he has shown one way or the other whether or not he can be the guy. He was mediocre in Miami but the only year he had a healthy QB, he made the playoffs. And as soon as he left, they hated the roster so much they decided to blow it up. Maybe Gase deserves some blame for the roster, I dont know, but I also dont think it matters since Gase isnt the GM here.
I know you say it isnt about the results, but I cant imagine a coach getting fired after one season where he went 6-2 down the stretch. This team has built some momentum into the offseason. I'd like to see if Year 2 is better with health, continuity and our 22-year old QB not being quarantined for almost a quarter of the season.
And not learning another new offense.
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 03:50:50 PM
And not learning another new offense.Newsflash: Darnold is more than capable of learning a new offense....I promise his head won’t explode if he passes the 2 offense threshold.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 23, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
Newsflash: Darnold is more than capable of learning a new offense....I promise his head won’t explode if he passes the 2 offense threshold.Of course he can. That doesn't mean it is good for his development. Obviously staying in a bad system isnt good for his development either, but I dont think we know that
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Of course he can. That doesn't mean it is good for his development. Obviously staying in a bad system isnt good for his development either, but I dont think we know that
Is the system really that bad? We don't know yet.
We've lost basically out entire offensive line, and two of our most reliable pass catchers (Griffin and Herndon).
Sam Darnold is not turning the football over a lot down the stretch. If this team can continue to play defense at a high level in 2020 and Darnold limits mistakes, we'll can compete for a playoff spot, even with a tougher schedule.
Post by: Johnny English on December 23, 2019, 05:40:48 PM
I agree with the latter part of your statement in the respect that he shouldn't feel secure in his position, but in what universe does he deserve to be fired off of the results of this year? Given all the injuries, how could anyone have expected better than 6-10/7-9?
Looks like you lot have been having fun today and I certainly don't want to rehash any of today's extensive discussions, but no one is calling for Gase to be fired because of results. We have no faith in Gase and never did because of the offense he puts on the field.
Our wins have come as a result of facing one dimensional teams with whom we match up well, and because Williams has done a freaking brilliant job with the defense. Gase gets no credit for the latter and only very minor credit for the former, because he's supposed to be a head coach and an OC, not a passing game co-ordinator.
If you want to hire him to sit in a darkened room drawing up pages and pages of plays for an actual OC to call at the right time, I'm completely down with that. He shouldn't be calling plays on the sideline though because he has never in his career demonstrated any ability to do it effectively.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 23, 2019, 05:57:56 PM
Is the system really that bad? We don't know yet.
We've lost basically out entire offensive line, and two of our most reliable pass catchers (Griffin and Herndon).
Sam Darnold is not turning the football over a lot down the stretch. If this team can continue to play defense at a high level in 2020 and Darnold limits mistakes, we'll can compete for a playoff spot, even with a tougher schedule.
Our offensive production under Jeremy Bates last year was better than the Dolphins'. If you look at his time Miami, the production from his offense was pedestrian at best.
So based on his track record and his time here, I don't have a lot of confidence.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 23, 2019, 05:58:48 PM
Looks like you lot have been having fun today and I certainly don't want to rehash any of today's extensive discussions, but no one is calling for Gase to be fired because of results. We have no faith in Gase and never did because of the offense he puts on the field.
Our wins have come as a result of facing one dimensional teams with whom we match up well, and because Williams has done a freaking brilliant job with the defense. Gase gets no credit for the latter and only very minor credit for the former, because he's supposed to be a head coach and an OC, not a passing game co-ordinator.
If you want to hire him to sit in a darkened room drawing up pages and pages of plays for an actual OC to call at the right time, I'm completely down with that. He shouldn't be calling plays on the sideline though because he has never in his career demonstrated any ability to do it effectively.
Brilliantly said.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 23, 2019, 06:09:14 PM
Looks like you lot have been having fun today and I certainly don't want to rehash any of today's extensive discussions, but no one is calling for Gase to be fired because of results.
What an interesting way to say what happens on the field doesn't matter.
Post by: Johnny English on December 23, 2019, 06:41:30 PM
What an interesting way to say what happens on the field doesn't matter.
It's certainly easy to read it that way if you choose to ignore the rest of the post, sure.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 23, 2019, 07:23:38 PM
The good things about this year:
We have really built depth everywhere by making starters out of these turds. Our o-line are pretty good as backups, not so much as starters.
If Darnold can thrive with this line, it can only get better if he get more than 0.1 seconds to throw.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 23, 2019, 08:00:54 PM
Newsflash: Darnold is more than capable of learning a new offense....I promise his head won’t explode if he passes the 2 offense threshold.
But it will take until mid season again, by which time you'll want the new coach fired because "Darnold is regressing."
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2019, 08:04:35 PM
But it will take until mid season again, by which time you'll want the new coach fired because "Darnold is regressing."
"darnold is a bust because of gase"
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 09:01:41 PM
But it will take until mid season again, by which time you'll want the new coach fired because "Darnold is regressing."
Nope...just Gase
"darnold is a bust because of gase"
God I hope not. But it wouldn’t surprise me either....he almost killed Tannehill’s career.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 23, 2019, 09:05:27 PM
Nope...just Gase
Last year it was just Bowles. Get anyone else, an offensive mind.
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2019, 09:14:24 PM
Last year it was just Bowles. Get anyone else, an offensive mind.And we went out and hired the worst one available
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 23, 2019, 09:22:52 PM
1. Hope that the team won’t continue to catch the Gase injury endemic next season and see how that one works out with a better talent level out there (assuming that the offensive line is actually upgraded).
-OR-
2. Take solis in the fact that another shitty season will mean his death knell and with Woody back hopefully we can return to the original owner bullshit we know rather than some other third, worse type of ownership bullshit happening.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 24, 2019, 01:02:34 AM
"darnold is a bust because of gase"Remember, when Dsrnold does well, it is in spite of Gase. When Dsrnold does badly, it is because of Gaee. Or so I've heard.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 24, 2019, 01:04:28 AM
The guy is here next year unless he quits or dies.He isnt quitting but a cocaine overdose or sleep deprivation death is certainly possible.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 24, 2019, 07:14:51 AM
Remember, when Dsrnold does well, it is in spite of Gase. When Dsrnold does badly, it is because of Gaee. Or so I've heard.
I said before the coaching hire that I thought Darnold is good enough to play well on his own talent/ability regardless of the coach. What I wanted was a coach that would help Darnold grow and take the next step as a sophomore QB. We’ve seen it happen with many young QBs over the last few years, I won’t bother to list them all. I haven’t seen anything out of our offense this year to suggest that Gase has that type of coaching ability. It’s been pretty bad all around.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 24, 2019, 08:01:56 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 24, 2019, 08:16:57 AM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-jets-fans-20191224-aqdwksbo5nditexjl65gvdb6ye-story.html
Gase has actually made the offense worse in every meaningful statistical category this season.
Consider the irrefutable facts: The Jets are worse in 2019 than 2018 in points per game (20.8 to 17.5), total yards (299.2 to 273.1), yards per play (4.9 to 4.6), first downs per game (16.1 to 15.7), passing yards (197.8 to 195.1), rushing yards (101.4 to 78.1), rushing yards per attempt (4.0 to 3.3), third-down efficiency (32 percent to 30 percent) and plays per game (60.7 to 59.4).
The offense has regressed by every objective measure going from former play-caller Jeremy Bates to Gase.
Gase’s offense ranks in the bottom three in the league in total yards, rushing, passing, yards per play, third-down efficiency, and first downs.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 24, 2019, 08:18:43 AM
I said before the coaching hire that I thought Darnold is good enough to play well on his own talent/ability regardless of the coach. What I wanted was a coach that would help Darnold grow and take the next step as a sophomore QB. We’ve seen it happen with many young QBs over the last few years, I won’t bother to list them all. I haven’t seen anything out of our offense this year to suggest that Gase has that type of coaching ability. It’s been pretty bad all around.
Winner winner chicken dinner
Post by: Johnny English on December 24, 2019, 08:35:49 AM
Knowledge transfer from another thread, for those wondering why many of us doubt this head coach.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-jets-fans-20191224-aqdwksbo5nditexjl65gvdb6ye-story.html
Gase has actually made the offense worse in every meaningful statistical category this season.
Consider the irrefutable facts: The Jets are worse in 2019 than 2018 in points per game (20.8 to 17.5), total yards (299.2 to 273.1), yards per play (4.9 to 4.6), first downs per game (16.1 to 15.7), passing yards (197.8 to 195.1), rushing yards (101.4 to 78.1), rushing yards per attempt (4.0 to 3.3), third-down efficiency (32 percent to 30 percent) and plays per game (60.7 to 59.4).
The offense has regressed by every objective measure going from former play-caller Jeremy Bates to Gase.
Gase’s offense ranks in the bottom three in the league in total yards, rushing, passing, yards per play, third-down efficiency, and first downs.
This is because of Luke Falk and Brian Winters and Mike Maccagnan and Fireman Ed.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 24, 2019, 08:48:39 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 24, 2019, 09:18:53 AM
Knowledge transfer from another thread, for those wondering why many of us doubt this head coach.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-jets-fans-20191224-aqdwksbo5nditexjl65gvdb6ye-story.html
Gase has actually made the offense worse in every meaningful statistical category this season.
Consider the irrefutable facts: The Jets are worse in 2019 than 2018 in points per game (20.8 to 17.5), total yards (299.2 to 273.1), yards per play (4.9 to 4.6), first downs per game (16.1 to 15.7), passing yards (197.8 to 195.1), rushing yards (101.4 to 78.1), rushing yards per attempt (4.0 to 3.3), third-down efficiency (32 percent to 30 percent) and plays per game (60.7 to 59.4).
The offense has regressed by every objective measure going from former play-caller Jeremy Bates to Gase.
Gase’s offense ranks in the bottom three in the league in total yards, rushing, passing, yards per play, third-down efficiency, and first downs.
All i know is i hate the current state of this team, and I feel bad for Sam.
Normally around this time i start to get optimistic about the upcoming season. Not this year.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 24, 2019, 09:55:27 AM
The guy is here next year unless he quits or dies. I'm going to hope we can get healthy, get at least an average OL and watch Darnold ball. Please re-sign Robby, don't trade Adams, keep Gegg. I'm fine either way on Bell if something good comes along. Promote Boyer to Executive Vice Dude or whatever needed to keep him around.
The good things about this year:
We have really built depth everywhere by making starters out of these turds. Our o-line are pretty good as backups, not so much as starters.
If Darnold can thrive with this line, it can only get better if he get more than 0.1 seconds to throw.
I agree with everything here except regarding Bell.
If they improve the OL, Bell becomes a deadly weapon for this offense and will make Sam's life so much easier.
Post by: MBGreen on December 24, 2019, 09:59:16 AM
If they improve the OL, Bell becomes a deadly weapon for this offense and will make Sam's life so much easier.
Is Bell still a deadly weapon? He's still pretty good. But Heis and I were talking the other day and he brought up the chance that Bell may be on the decline. It's certainly possible.
Having a garbage oline doesn't necessarily help prove it though. I still think there's merit to that possibility.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 24, 2019, 10:14:10 AM
Gotta hope Douglas can hit on the middle rounds, its the quickest way to improve the depth of the roster. Bell's great, but he plays a position where talent is a dime a dozen. Carlos Hyde was given away when camps broke, and is on his way to a 1,100 yard season.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 24, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Is Bell still a deadly weapon? He's still pretty good. But Heis and I were talking the other day and he brought up the chance that Bell may be on the decline. It's certainly possible.
Having a garbage oline doesn't necessarily help prove it though. I still think there's merit to that possibility.
He certainly could be washed up. But there are flashes and this OL is atrocious at times.
I'm not writing him off. I think with even a decent OL, he can be a monster. At worst, I see him as Darnold's Curtis Martin. He'll fight for a yard or two in the ground game and make teams respect it, and is the epitome of a perfectly reliable safety option in the passing game.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 24, 2019, 11:25:27 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 24, 2019, 11:37:44 AM
I think Bell is worth another year to see if he can return to form, the risk/reward is totally in our favor. He sat a year and came back to an atrocious O line.I just think RBs are extremely replaceable. If we can get decent draft value for Bell, I would do it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 24, 2019, 11:45:16 AM
I just think RBs are extremely replaceable. If we can get decent draft value for Bell, I would do it.
Most RBs are but Bell is a cut above in my opinion. Worth another year to see, at least.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 24, 2019, 11:46:11 AM
I agree with everything here except regarding Bell.I'm fine either way with Bell. Don't trade him for peanuts, but if someone wants to overpay.....
If they improve the OL, Bell becomes a deadly weapon for this offense and will make Sam's life so much easier.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 24, 2019, 11:49:24 AM
I'm so tired of hearing about how positions like safety and running back are dime-a-dozen positions, and yet they're the best players on our team.
Post by: insanity on December 24, 2019, 12:04:38 PM
I'm in the keeping bell camp, but if we need to trade him to sign scherff and someone else so be it
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 24, 2019, 12:30:55 PM
I think bells value comes in the money he frees up rather than the draft capital we get back.
I'm in the keeping bell camp, but if we need to trade him to sign scherff and someone else so be it
I can get behind this argument easier than for draft picks. You're not drafting a guy with the potential impact of Bell in the immediate future. But if freeing up his salary means you can afford more line protection for Darnold, you protect the franchise.
That said, according to OTC, the Jets have effective cap space next year of: $56,436,439. That's a nice bit of cash to spend. Bell is an expensive luxury item, but if they use what's left effectively, they canhave an upgraded line with a dynamic RB threat.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 24, 2019, 12:47:15 PM
Are running backs who are also able to line up on the outside and be actually effective replaceable?I cant speak for others but running back, kicker, punter and returner are really the only positions I feel that way about.
I'm so tired of hearing about how positions like safety and running back are dime-a-dozen positions, and yet they're the best players on our team.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 24, 2019, 12:52:11 PM
I cant speak for others but running back, kicker, punter and returner are really the only positions I feel that way about.
I don't understand any of those.
Like I said, RB is one of our team's best players. When the kicker sucks, we miss FGs and everyone is pissed. When the punter sucks, we give up field position. Returner I'm less apt to go crazy about, but a decent one gets you better starting field position.
I just can't stand the whole "X is more important than Y" position thing. QB is more important than any position, and a strong offensive line would be second on my list. But after that, I don't think there's any position that is vastly more or less important to the rest of the team. Good players help the team win--regardless of the position.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 24, 2019, 01:00:02 PM
That said, according to OTC, the Jets have effective cap space next year of: $56,436,439. That's a nice bit of cash to spend. Bell is an expensive luxury item, but if they use what's left effectively, they can have an upgraded line with a dynamic RB threat.
This is the way I'd go. I don't understand this concept of building a team by getting rid of good players, key players. Yes, they cost money, he's Le'Veon Bell. He can do Darnold a lot of good, of course we need a line but let's not create another hole, that's not how you build. Same goes for Adams and Robby Anderson.
Bell seems like he's been one of the key guys in the locker room staying positive and keeping things together from when we were 1-7 when he could have been a real pain in the derriere. Of course you have to credit the coaches too (*runs away*) but a veteran leader like Bell can't be underestimated. I think in the age of analytics people get to wrapped up in numbers and formulas and lose sight of the human element of a team locker room and what goes on.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 24, 2019, 01:01:59 PM
I don't understand any of those.My point is that I dont think our offense would drop off much if we played Powell and Ty over Bell.
Like I said, RB is one of our team's best players. When the kicker sucks, we miss FGs and everyone is pissed. When the punter sucks, we give up field position. Returner I'm less apt to go crazy about, but a decent one gets you better starting field position.
I just can't stand the whole "X is more important than Y" position thing. QB is more important than any position, and a strong offensive line would be second on my list. But after that, I don't think there's any position that is vastly more or less important to the rest of the team. Good players help the team win--regardless of the position.
Kicker/punter/returner are just positions where there is very little dropoff between the 10th best guy and the 40th best guy.
I'm fine if we keep Bell. But if we can reallocate resources elsewhere, that might be better.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 24, 2019, 01:12:56 PM
I think bells value comes in the money he frees up rather than the draft capital we get back.
I'm in the keeping bell camp, but if we need to trade him to sign scherff and someone else so be it
But we don’t actually have another RB on the roster next year if we move Bell. So we need to use financial and draft resources to replace him. So essentially the draft pick is a wash as we would need a RB with it. So we need to save enough money that we can bring in an impact player at a more valuable position and STILL afford a veteran RB. That will be hard to do when we probably have a to eat a large potion of Bells salary still in order to find a taker so we can move him.
I’d plan on keeping Bell and if I get blown away entertain an option for moving him.
Post by: MBGreen on December 24, 2019, 01:42:09 PM
I’m not sure it’s true, but it’s gaining some traction.
Post by: MBGreen on December 24, 2019, 01:44:58 PM
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Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2019, 01:57:24 PM
I'd have no problem jettisoning Bell if it means getting a day 2 pick.
Gotta hope Douglas can hit on the middle rounds, its the quickest way to improve the depth of the roster. Bell's great, but he plays a position where talent is a dime a dozen. Carlos Hyde was given away when camps broke, and is on his way to a 1,100 yard season.
A day 2 pick? Well be lucky if it's the first half of day 3
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 24, 2019, 01:59:59 PM
There’s a rumour Gase has a burner account on twitter that was outed....@WyattV18
I’m not sure it’s true, but it’s gaining some traction.
There's a rumor that it's his son's account.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 24, 2019, 02:09:58 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 24, 2019, 02:23:54 PM
There's a rumor that it's his son's account.
His son is 7 years old. No way it's his kid.
It's probably Manish.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
But we don’t actually have another RB on the roster next year if we move Bell. So we need to use financial and draft resources to replace him. So essentially the draft pick is a wash as we would need a RB with it. So we need to save enough money that we can bring in an impact player at a more valuable position and STILL afford a veteran RB. That will be hard to do when we probably have a to eat a large potion of Bells salary still in order to find a taker so we can move him.
I’d plan on keeping Bell and if I get blown away entertain an option for moving him.
For the money we're paying bell next year we could literally get any back on the market
excrement we could probably sign the 3 best backs available to 1 year contracts and save money
Regardless Bell was one of the least effective backs in the league for us. It's impossible to justify paying him 14 million to continue to do os
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2019, 02:36:40 PM
His son is 7 years old. No way it's his kid.
It's probably Manish.
Manish might be busy peddling this garbage
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-jets-fans-20191224-aqdwksbo5nditexjl65gvdb6ye-story.html%3foutputType=amp
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 24, 2019, 03:37:54 PM
His son is 7 years old. No way it's his kid.
It's probably Manish.
If Mitt Romney can do it why not Gase?
For the money we're paying bell next year we could literally get any back on the market
excrement we could probably sign the 3 best backs available to 1 year contracts and save money
Regardless Bell was one of the least effective backs in the league for us. It's impossible to justify paying him 14 million to continue to do os
Resident bookkeeper chimes in. Get him a line, then judge.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 24, 2019, 03:46:32 PM
His son is 7 years old. No way it's his kid.
It's probably Manish.
I agree it’s not Gases kid. If it turns out to be Gase. He will get buried alive by media, fans and NFL execs. I don’t know that it will get him fired. But if the players think it’s him, there’s plenty on that account to have a whole lot of players turning on him. That tweet about Wesco is just one instance. The fact it specifically points out Fells, when he was the guy Gase reportedly wanted in FA is someone doing a lot of detail work.
The questions surrounding this whole thing would be crazy. You can bet some media guy will ask Gase about it during a PC in the next two weeks....
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2019, 04:13:03 PM
If Mitt Romney can do it why not Gase?
Resident bookkeeper chimes in. Get him a line, then judge.
14 million will go a long way towards that end
Regardless anyone who wants to justify the 2nd highest paid RB in the league being the least effective starting back by blaming the OL is seriously delusional.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
A crazy wife or something is much more imaginable.
Regardless this seems kinda nonsensical
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 24, 2019, 04:27:13 PM
Hard enoguh imaging a 40 year old man who isn't a celebrity or reporter using Twitter. Let alone one using a fake TwitterHard to imagine anyone thinking Twitter is only for reporters and celebrities in late 2019.
A crazy wife or something is much more imaginable.
Regardless this seems kinda nonsensical
Bucs GM Jason Licht got busted for a fake twitter at one point I believe.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2019, 04:40:56 PM
Hard to imagine anyone thinking Twitter is only for reporters and celebrities in late 2019.
Bucs GM Jason Licht got busted for a fake twitter at one point I believe.
Oh I don't think it's only for them. But the key demographic is what women in their teens and 20s?
But how many normal 40+ year old men have Twitter accounts?
I'm sure there's grown men who do sole funky derriere excrement on Twitter as well as fake ones who pretend and defend themselves.
But unless someone has a past behavior of it. It's a weird as freak conclusion to come to.
Especially someone like Gase who has some kind of Asbergers/reclusive syndrome going on. It would be like imagining Beli tweeting
(on a side note I just Googled Twitter demographics and was so far insanely off, no freaking clue how the majority of tweeters are men)
Post by: Libero_2 on December 24, 2019, 06:20:53 PM
Hard to imagine anyone thinking Twitter is only for reporters and celebrities in late 2019.
Bucs GM Jason Licht got busted for a fake twitter at one point I believe.
Cimini also got busted with the fake Manish account a couple years back.
Post by: insanity on December 24, 2019, 06:34:19 PM
But we don’t actually have another RB on the roster next year if we move Bell. So we need to use financial and draft resources to replace him. So essentially the draft pick is a wash as we would need a RB with it. So we need to save enough money that we can bring in an impact player at a more valuable position and STILL afford a veteran RB. That will be hard to do when we probably have a to eat a large potion of Bells salary still in order to find a taker so we can move him.
I’d plan on keeping Bell and if I get blown away entertain an option for moving him.
Again I'm in the keeping bell camp
Post by: insanity on December 24, 2019, 06:36:29 PM
LolThere is no way that's him. If it is him he should be fired, not because of the burner account, but because he thinks Wesco should be able to block Judon 1vs1
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Post by: Italian Seafood on December 24, 2019, 06:43:05 PM
14 million will go a long way towards that end
Regardless anyone who wants to justify the 2nd highest paid RB in the league being the least effective starting back by blaming the OL is seriously delusional.
You're basing that all on one season. Bell has a track record, which is why he got that money. Again, look at the risk/reward. Worst case, barring injury, is we again have a solid RB, veteran leader, etc, who is overpaid. After another year of that it's easier to justify cutting him, or restructuring. Reward is, you build a line, he and Darnold come back in a familiar offense and we have one of the game's best players.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2019, 08:55:32 PM
You're basing that all on one season. Bell has a track record, which is why he got that money. Again, look at the risk/reward. Worst case, barring injury, is we again have a solid RB, veteran leader, etc, who is overpaid. After another year of that it's easier to justify cutting him, or restructuring. Reward is, you build a line, he and Darnold come back in a familiar offense and we have one of the game's best players.
Yes I'm basing it off of this season, not off of things he did 3-4-5 years ago
And the risk is spending 14 million on Bell instead of spending it upgrading the offensive line or elsewhere.
If were talking about giving it to the Johnsons fine, of course you keep bell. But if we're talking about giving it to Bell instead of the best wideouts/OL available that's a different story.
But let's keep this argument simple as there is way too many variables. If Bells 14 million dollar salary is the difference between us resigning Robbie Anderson or not, is keeping him for his bloated salary still worth it?
Because that's the core tenant of my argument. Giving Bell that money means someone else isn't getting it
Post by: Libero_2 on December 24, 2019, 09:14:56 PM
Yes I'm basing it off of this season, not off of things he did 3-4-5 years ago
And the risk is spending 14 million on Bell instead of spending it upgrading the offensive line or elsewhere.
If were talking about giving it to the Johnsons fine, of course you keep bell. But if we're talking about giving it to Bell instead of the best wideouts/OL available that's a different story.
But let's keep this argument simple as there is way too many variables. If Bells 14 million dollar salary is the difference between us resigning Robbie Anderson or not, is keeping him for his bloated salary still worth it?
Because that's the core tenant of my argument. Giving Bell that money means someone else isn't getting it
You are assuming we don’t have to pay any of Bells salary in a trade. His salary is so prohibitive to teams we would need to eat some of it to even move him. So if we have to eat $6 million to get a 5th round pick. We then have $8 million of his $14 off the books, that we need to use to upgrade a position, which is doable with an average / just barely above average player. But then we need to sign a FA RB to replace Bell, as we literally don’t have anyone under contract. But it will be a cheap deal $2-$3 million meaning we now need to take a RB in the draft to feel good about the position, oh and you can’t count on a 5th round rookie to make a big impact, so we need to use an earlier pick to replace Bell.
So we then trade Bell for $8 million of salary relief and a 5, which nets us an average starter at lets just say Corner, and a cheap back (costing us more total money than Bell) and now need to use a day 2 pick on an RB.
Is that for the best? Maybe, but I’d lean probably not. I’d probably be a lot happier with Bell and a 3rd round CB than the alternative I listed.
Ultimately you are treating trading Bell as if it automatically gives us full cap relief AND draft assets. That’s just not going to happen
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 24, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
A: not getting a great pick back because of his prohibitive salary
or
B: taking a dead cap hit that makes it not worth trading him
Totally guessing/assuming here, and spotrac isn’t loading on my phone.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 25, 2019, 12:15:10 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 25, 2019, 12:25:56 AM
How about wr just keep HB who proved himself to be elite and see what he can do behind a revamped offensive line?2016 Bell was elite. 2017 Bell was very good. 201i Bell didnt play and 2019 Bell hasnt been that effective.
I think Bell would be greatly improved behind a great line but what happened 3 years ago hardly matters.
In Bell's last year in Pittsbutgh, Todd Gurley and LeSean McCoy were 2nd and 4th in rushing. At RB, life comes at you fast.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 25, 2019, 05:03:27 AM
You are assuming we don’t have to pay any of Bells salary in a trade. His salary is so prohibitive to teams we would need to eat some of it to even move him. So if we have to eat $6 million to get a 5th back. We then have $8 million of his $14 off the books, that we need to use to upgrade a position, which is doable with an average / just barely above average player. But then we need to sign a FA back to replace Bell, as we literally don’t have anyone under contract. But it will be a cheap deal $2-$3 million meaning we now need to take a back in the draft to feel good about the position, oh and you can’t count on a 5th year rookie to make a big impact, so we need to use an earlier pick to replace Bell.
So we then trade Bell for $8 million of salary relief and a 5, which nets us an average starter at lets just say Corner, and a cheap back (costing us more total money than Bell) and now need to use a day 2 pick on an RB.
Is that for the best? Maybe, but I’d lean probably not. I’d probably be a lot happier with Bell and a 3rd round CB than the alternative I listed.
Ultimately you are treating trading Bell as if it automatically gives us full cap relief AND draft assets. That’s just not going to happen
Well no matter what we're replacing Bell
The difference is whether he will play one more season here before we do it or not. We absolutely will be listening and looking at offers and replacements. I'd think ultimately any decision will come down to how good of an offer we get for Bell and what kind of replacement we find/is available.
It's certainly possible that someone falls to us in the draft and we decide to just trade Bell for whatever we can get at that point.
Regardless it's clear our HC doesn't love to use Bell and we certainly don't need him.
Post by: Pope on December 25, 2019, 10:52:41 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 25, 2019, 12:55:05 PM
Regardless it's clear our HC doesn't love to use Bell and we certainly don't need him.Bell is 7th in the NFL in touches this season despite missing a game. This is despite ranking near the bottom in yards per rush and yards per catch.
He is getting a ton of touches despite being very ineffective. The narrative that Gase doesnt like to use Bell isnt backed up by facts. 44% of our offensive touches are by Bell. We give the guy the ball all the time.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 25, 2019, 01:28:23 PM
You are assuming we don’t have to pay any of Bells salary in a trade. His salary is so prohibitive to teams we would need to eat some of it to even move him. So if we have to eat $6 million to get a 5th round pick. We then have $8 million of his $14 off the books, that we need to use to upgrade a position, which is doable with an average / just barely above average player. But then we need to sign a FA RB to replace Bell, as we literally don’t have anyone under contract. But it will be a cheap deal $2-$3 million meaning we now need to take a RB in the draft to feel good about the position, oh and you can’t count on a 5th round rookie to make a big impact, so we need to use an earlier pick to replace Bell.
So we then trade Bell for $8 million of salary relief and a 5, which nets us an average starter at lets just say Corner, and a cheap back (costing us more total money than Bell) and now need to use a day 2 pick on an RB.
Is that for the best? Maybe, but I’d lean probably not. I’d probably be a lot happier with Bell and a 3rd round CB than the alternative I listed.
Ultimately you are treating trading Bell as if it automatically gives us full cap relief AND draft assets. That’s just not going to happen
When you factor in the diminishing return selling low and the fact that we'd have to spend some to replace him, probably better off to try another year with him. When Parcells got Curtis Martin the team was in a similar rebuilding stage, he had a big contract and I think cost us a couple picks because he was a restricted free agent. Just letting Bell go to acquire quantity is how you stay mediocre.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 25, 2019, 08:13:03 PM
When you factor in the diminishing return selling low and the fact that we'd have to spend some to replace him, probably better off to try another year with him. When Parcells got Curtis Martin the team was in a similar rebuilding stage, he had a big contract and I think cost us a couple picks because he was a restricted free agent. Just letting Bell go to acquire quantity is how you stay mediocre.
Diminishing returns more like diminished talent
Dump this dude for anything you can get
If anyone out there thinks he's a legit starter take the money and run.
He's got the heart and he's got the mind. But he don't got the results
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 25, 2019, 08:15:45 PM
Post by: Jumbo on December 25, 2019, 08:25:51 PM
I will never understand why this fanbase is perpetually fixated on getting rid of our good players, instead of wanting to get rid of our shitty players and replacing them with good players.
You're right. Except our head coach probably wants to get rid of him as well
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 25, 2019, 08:39:54 PM
I will never understand why this fanbase is perpetually fixated on getting rid of our good players, instead of wanting to get rid of our shitty players and replacing them with good players.
We can probably get some decent cap relief and a second day pick for Darnold.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 25, 2019, 08:42:31 PM
I will never understand why this fanbase is perpetually fixated on getting rid of our good players, instead of wanting to get rid of our shitty players and replacing them with good players.
DCM mode
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 26, 2019, 08:33:42 AM
I will never understand why this fanbase is perpetually fixated on getting rid of our good players, instead of wanting to get rid of our shitty players and replacing them with good players.
How else you gonna save Johnson's money?
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 26, 2019, 08:37:59 AM
This is an increasingly young team, and should continue to be so. Now is exactly when you spend the money on keeping your talent while drafting your future. Stop thinking with the backwards "We need money to sign all the free agents" mentality this team has run itself with the past 20 years. That's not a winning methodology.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2019, 08:41:48 AM
I posted it the other day, but the Jets are slated to have over $60MM in cap space next year. They can afford to pay Bell, re-sign Robby, get at least 1 offensive lineman in free agency, and even consider early extending Adams.
This is an increasingly young team, and should continue to be so. Now is exactly when you spend the money on keeping your talent while drafting your future. Stop thinking with the backwards "We need money to sign all the free agents" mentality this team has run itself with the past 20 years. That's not a winning methodology.
At least one offensive lineman? We need at least four new starters.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 26, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
At least one offensive lineman? We need at least four new starters.
Should be able to take care of 2 starting Gord spots in 7th rd and UDFA
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 26, 2019, 09:02:35 AM
At least one offensive lineman? We need at least four new starters.
I highly doubt they're acquiring 4 new OL in free agency. Some of them have to come through the draft.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 26, 2019, 09:04:43 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 26, 2019, 09:12:54 AM
Yep. Can always get a gord in the later rounds. I was thinking a starting gord in the 6th and then this dude I know that takes my recycling on Thursdays could start at gord for the league minimum.
Should be able to take care of 2 starting Gord spots in 7th rd and UDFA
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2019, 09:13:33 AM
I highly doubt they're acquiring 4 new OL in free agency. Some of them have to come through the draft.
We probably need to add 7+ linemen through FA and the draft
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 26, 2019, 09:20:32 AM
We probably need to add 7+ linemen through FA and the draft
If we can acquire a center, I think Harrison should move over to a guard spot and be the backup C. I would look to bring back Beachum as well--as long as it's a lower-cost deal. The other spots are all up for grabs, but I'm okay with it taking 2 years to revamp the line.
Either the whole line gets remade this year at the expense of every other position of need or it's a two-year process. Paying or not paying Bell doesn't change that.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 26, 2019, 10:10:31 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 26, 2019, 10:27:26 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 26, 2019, 10:32:43 AM
Paying or not paying Bell doesn't change that.
Same goes for Anderson and, when the time comes, Adams. You don't build a team by getting rid of key players.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 26, 2019, 11:26:03 AM
We probably need to add 7+ linemen through FA and the draftI doubt replacing the entire line is feasible in 1 year. We have issues elsewhere too, even though o-line is the worst.
I'm fine with everyone on our current starting line as a backup if the price is right. Can't have pro bowlers as backups. "Not that good" is acceptable as a backup. Harrison and Lewis are ok as starters if need be. Fine with Beachum at the right price as a temporary starter at LT if we draft one that isn't quite ready day 1. I only hate our current line as STARTERS.
We just need to make a huge dent in the O-line talent deficiency this offseason. 3 new starters would be awesome.
Post by: Jumbo on December 26, 2019, 11:57:58 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 26, 2019, 12:18:35 PM
Cut Winters (that $7.5 million can go to an actual OL starter)
Resign Beachum (name a better LT option in FA), Lewis, Harrison and Compton (all for backup money)
Sign - Jack Conklin, Brandon Sherf
Draft 1 OL in our top 2 picks. If we have an LT option that’s great, if not grab the top interior OL guy, who in my eyes is Badass Biadaz.
2020 OL version 1
LT - Beachum
LG - Scherff
C - Biadaz
RG - Edoga
RT - Conklin
2020 OL Version 2
LT - draft pick like Wirfs, Leatherwood, Wills, Thomas etc
LG - Scherff
C - Harrison
RG - Edoga
RT - Conklin
Post by: bojanglesman on December 26, 2019, 12:38:10 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 29, 2019, 04:41:23 PM
Overall, it was a positive year for the coaching staff. The problem is that the head coach is the one in charge of the offense, and the offense was anemic. Hard to give him a grade for this season. I would probably say Gase gets a C without thinking about it too much.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 29, 2019, 10:27:04 PM
https://twitter.com/cardsmarkd/status/1211498949694984192?s=21
Instead, we have a bottom 3 offense being lead by a clown.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2019, 10:32:13 PM
This was the type of impact we all wanted Gase to have on our offense. Improvement from last year
https://twitter.com/cardsmarkd/status/1211498949694984192?s=21
Instead, we have a bottom 3 offense being lead by a clown.
...just came here to post this.
“ The Cardinals offensive improvement under Kyler Murray & Kliff Kingsbury in 2019 was undeniable.
It resulted in:
100 more total yards per game
60.4% increase in pts scored
91.7% more scoring drives
41.4% more yards per game
40.7% increase in TDs scored”
Post by: bojanglesman on December 29, 2019, 10:37:35 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 29, 2019, 10:41:10 PM
Arizona was dead last in offense last year and it wasn't very close. They did improve significantly, but it's a bit skewed by how shitty they were last year.
So let’s just look at how they improved (relative to the league), last year was 32 how did they finish this year?
Last year what did we finish? This year we ended up last. So it’s undeniable we regressed
Post by: bojanglesman on December 29, 2019, 10:44:40 PM
So let’s just look at how they improved (relative to the league), last year was 32 how did they finish this year?I'm not going to argue that. I mean, I could point at the Luke Falk diarrhea festival for 3 games, but it's the NFL, you have to just make do.
Last year what did we finish? This year we ended up last. So it’s undeniable we regressed
Post by: Libero_2 on December 29, 2019, 10:50:48 PM
I'm not going to argue that. I mean, I could point at the Luke Falk diarrhea festival for 3 games, but it's the NFL, you have to just make do.
If there wasn’t other teams that played 2nd and 3rd strong QBs this season for the same stretch of time, I would be more willing to buy that argument. So many top QBs went down this season.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2019, 11:09:52 PM
This was the type of impact we all wanted Gase to have on our offense. Improvement from last year
https://twitter.com/cardsmarkd/status/1211498949694984192?s=21
Instead, we have a bottom 3 offense being lead by a clown.
The Cardinals were awful this year and Kliff Kingsbury was a big reason for that. He has no idea how to manage a team.
Post by: Jumbo on December 29, 2019, 11:21:47 PM
The Cardinals were awful this year and Kliff Kingsbury was a big reason for that. He has no idea how to manage a team.
He did have the balls to (justifiably) bench David Johnson
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2019, 11:43:24 PM
The Cardinals were awful this year and Kliff Kingsbury was a big reason for that. He has no idea how to manage a team.
He’s an offensive coach and their offense drastically improved. That didn’t happen here, with a sophomore QB vs a rookie QB. We could talk about personnel issues, but we’re also talking about a team that was the worst in the league last season.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2019, 11:47:01 PM
He’s an offensive coach and their offense drastically improved. That didn’t happen here, with a sophomore QB vs a rookie QB. We could talk about personnel issues, but we’re also talking about a team that was the worst in the league last season.
Josh Rosen would make any team the worst in the NFL
I am thankful that I get to say this as a fact now instead of just a pre-draft assumption
freak Josh Rosen -- he is a bum derriere player and everyone here that wanted him on the Jets can suck a dick
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2019, 09:24:00 AM
My biggest fear going into the season was exactly what played out. They won just enough to ensure Gase gets another year to screw up this team. In 2021, we'll all get to be pissed off that the new HC doesn't have Adams, Anderson, or Bell to work with while they all find success elsewhere.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 30, 2019, 09:29:08 AM
It's hilarious that we can't judge Gase based on this season. The offense was bad. The decision making was bad. Even if you completely throw out the Luke Falk games, what did Gase do that was good? This team was competitive because Greg Williams made chicken salad out of chicken excrement.
My biggest fear going into the season was exactly what played out. They won just enough to ensure Gase gets another year to screw up this team. In 2021, we'll all get to be pissed off that the new HC doesn't have Adams, Anderson, or Bell to work with while they all find success elsewhere.
You yourself acknowledge that the team played for him. One of the biggest criticisms that this board was spewing when he was hired and during the 1-7 start ("his players don't play for him, they hate him") has been proven to be demonstratively false. It would've been very easy for this team to roll over and play dead.
As for what else, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty encouraged with the way Darnold responded after the Jaguars game.
The Kliff Kingsbury comparison is absolutely wild when you consider the upgrade at quarterback that is going from Josh Rosen to Kyler Murray.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2019, 09:42:13 AM
You yourself acknowledge that the team played for him. One of the biggest criticisms that this board was spewing when he was hired and during the 1-7 start ("his players don't play for him, they hate him") has been proven to be demonstratively false. It would've been very easy for this team to roll over and play dead.
As for what else, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty encouraged with the way Darnold responded after the Jaguars game.
The Kliff Kingsbury comparison is absolutely wild when you consider the upgrade at quarterback that is going from Josh Rosen to Kyler Murray.
Cards and Jets were both bottom 3 teams in the league last year. They both hired offensive HCs. They had a Rookie QB this year, we had Sam coming into year 2.
Jets:
Points scored: 31st
Yardage: 32nd
Cardinals:
Points scored: 16th
Yardage: 21st
Why were they so much better than us on offense this year?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 30, 2019, 09:48:21 AM
Cards and Jets were both bottom 3 teams in the league last year. They both hired offensive HCs. They had a Rookie QB this year, we had Sam coming into year 2.
Jets:
Points scored: 31st
Yardage: 32nd
Cardinals:
Points scored: 16th
Yardage: 21st
Why were they so much better than us on offense this year?
Before the canned Offensive Line excuses start pouring in...
Offensive Line Rankings Per Football Outsiders:
Run Blocking
AZ: #20
NYJ: #26
Pass Blocking
AZ: #27
NYJ: #30
Post by: mj2sexay on December 30, 2019, 09:49:53 AM
Cards and Jets were both bottom 3 teams in the league last year. They both hired offensive HCs. They had a Rookie QB this year, we had Sam coming into year 2.
Jets:
Points scored: 31st
Yardage: 32nd
Cardinals:
Points scored: 16th
Yardage: 21st
Why were they so much better than us on offense this year?
Before the canned Offensive Line excuses start pouring in...
Offensive Line Rankings Per Football Outsiders:
Run Blocking
AZ: #20
NYJ: #26
Pass Blocking
AZ: #27
NYJ: #30
It's not a canned excuse, and PFO is trash.
It starts and ends with the offensive line.
Cardinals have made meaningful investments that finally bore fruit along their line this year. DJ Humphries played pretty well, he's a former first round pick. Justin Pugh was a guy they invested in free agency. He got healthy and had a solid year. Ditto AQ Shipley who's been there for a while now. Justin Murray was serviceable (anything or anyone is serviceable in comparison to how bad Brandon Shell was yesterday).
Didn't they also spend multiple picks on their receiving core last year? Jets lost two guys they thought were going to play huge roles for them in Enunwa and Herndon with absolutely no production out of either.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2019, 10:00:39 AM
Gase had the same problem with OL in Miami, and he had Laremy Tunsil, JaWuan James, and Pouncey. I implore someone to dig up the post (I thought Rueben was OP) of the 2018 Dolphins vs Vikings game in which Minn got 9 sacks, there were unblocked rushers all game and they didn’t even pretend to block Anthony Barr. It was a horrifying breakdown.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but our OL is probably going to be sub optimal next year too. Gase had better figure out a way to coach around that or I don’t see what the point in having him here is.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 30, 2019, 10:03:53 AM
It's not a canned excuse, and PFO is trash.
It starts and ends with the offensive line.
Cardinals have made meaningful investments that finally bore fruit along their line this year. DJ Humphries played pretty well, he's a former first round pick. Justin Pugh was a guy they invested in free agency. He got healthy and had a solid year. Ditto AQ Shipley who's been there for a while now. Justin Murray was serviceable (anything or anyone is serviceable in comparison to how bad Brandon Shell was yesterday).
Didn't they also spend multiple picks on their receiving core last year? Jets lost two guys they thought were going to play huge roles for them in Enunwa and Herndon with absolutely no production out of either.
Simply dismissing a source of data as trash without providing an alternative one is a poor debate practice.
AZ's line isn't much better than ours, yet their offensive production is materially better, so OL can't be the only issue.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2019, 10:56:26 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2019, 10:56:57 AM
Adam Gase says he’s not considering staff changes at this time. #JetsWTF
Post by: MexJetinBcn on December 30, 2019, 11:00:05 AM
WTF
Other than the OL coach, who was he going to change?
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2019, 11:21:44 AM
Other than the OL coach, who was he going to change?Well...when your offense is a POS and dead last in the league. Some change is expected.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2019, 11:26:52 AM
Well...when your offense is a POS and dead last in the league. Some change is expected.
Wait til you see year 2 Loggains. This year was just a taste
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2019, 11:30:48 AM
Well...when your offense is a POS and dead last in the league. Some change is expected.
I don't think it's ridiculous that there won't be any turnover under Gase. The change will be in the on-field personnel. You can't expect Gase to blame any of his staff, or to not wholly blame the players. To do otherwise would be to admit there were things he could've--and didn't--do to improve the results on the field.
Obviously, I'd like to clean out the entire offensive coaching staff, but if Gase isn't going anywhere, neither are his hand-picked coaches.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 30, 2019, 11:50:32 AM
Yes bad luck plays a role, but there is no way things were that bad purely by luck.
That group needs to be lit on fire, or else we will deal with these injuries again next year.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2019, 11:50:59 AM
I don't think it's ridiculous that there won't be any turnover under Gase. The change will be in the on-field personnel. You can't expect Gase to blame any of his staff, or to not wholly blame the players. To do otherwise would be to admit there were things he could've--and didn't--do to improve the results on the field.And so the cycle continues...
Obviously, I'd like to clean out the entire offensive coaching staff, but if Gase isn't going anywhere, neither are his hand-picked coaches.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2019, 12:37:40 PM
The one change that absolutely unequivocally needs to be made that not even Gase should be arguing with, is a new freaking training staff. That whole room should be fired. Most IR people in the league, and whatever people did to C.J. Mosely is a crime.
Yes bad luck plays a role, but there is no way things were that bad purely by luck.
That group needs to be lit on fire, or else we will deal with these injuries again next year.
Different sport, but the Yankees had a record number of injuries this past year, and they just turned over strength and conditioning staff. The same absolutely should happen here.
And so the cycle continues...
You can't really expect anything different right now. Again, if they're not firing Gase, he's not going to fire any of his staff. That would be an admission of guilt that there were things beyond lack of talent and injuries that could've been done to create better results.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2019, 03:11:25 PM
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Post by: d sw0rdz on December 30, 2019, 04:30:25 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 30, 2019, 04:37:30 PM
the pro- vs anti- gase debating is going to be so gay on here for the next few months. it is what it isI'm fine with it if we keep it to this thread. But there's just no way that happens.
It's really "pro-Gase" vs "pro-continuity." Nobody here loves Gase. Granted, I hope he succeeds because I'd love to see this board if Gase is successful here, but the jury is out.
Post by: Jumbo on December 30, 2019, 04:54:14 PM
the pro- vs anti- gase debating is going to be so gay on here for the next few months. it is what it is
so no different from normal
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2019, 04:54:26 PM
Post by: Jumbo on December 30, 2019, 04:55:43 PM
How many times do I have to say this, yes I am anti Gase but I’m pro Dowell Loggains
I've always been for firing Gase and keeping Dowell as the challenge boi
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2019, 04:55:44 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2019, 05:05:42 PM
the pro- vs anti- gase debating is going to be so gay on here for the next few months. it is what it isWill this help?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191230/b4ddf6727295120e29937eedc0dc65a8.jpg)
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2019, 05:15:39 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2019, 05:16:03 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2019, 05:27:56 PM
What the freak Bo
proneboning lady gaga would be glorious, having lady gaga lazily lay on her stomach while you freak and get to see that derriere jiggle all night is the stuff of dreams
i don't know what you guys are on but you are all dead wrong when it comes to lady gaga
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2019, 06:34:31 PM
What the freak Bo
You asked, bo was ready.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 30, 2019, 07:19:09 PM
#Dolphins have fired OC Chad O'Shea after one season, sources say. Brian Flores and the team make a move after O'Shea's offense ranked 27th in the league.
...but some on here are content with the 32nd ranked offense.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2019, 07:26:55 PM
Mike GarafoloThey are getting a new QB. Now's the time to change if you aren't sure about the OC you have. No sense in having your QB learn 2 offenses in 2 years.
#Dolphins have fired OC Chad O'Shea after one season, sources say. Brian Flores and the team make a move after O'Shea's offense ranked 27th in the league.
...but some on here are content with the 32nd ranked offense.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2019, 07:32:03 PM
They are getting a new QB. Now's the time to change if you aren't sure about the OC you have. No sense in having your QB learn 2 offenses in 2 years.Why? Is our QB retarded?
Post by: Jumbo on December 30, 2019, 08:17:36 PM
It was Mehta. https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/1211824820784189440
Shocking. Who could have seen that coming.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2019, 09:17:35 PM
Update on @WyattV18:
It was Mehta. https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/1211824820784189440
Shocking. Who could have seen that coming.
He has about as much credibility as the rest of our media.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 30, 2019, 10:54:10 PM
Update on @WyattV18:
It was Mehta. https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/1211824820784189440
Shocking. Who could have seen that coming.
Wow. What a freaking sick maniac.
This is a guy that already single handedly caused the organization to back out of one hire (whether its for better or worse is irrelevant), and is now actively trying to manufacture a narrative to embarrass the current head coach.
Jets should honestly tell TDN either he goes or they're getting no access. That paper is dying anyway.
Post by: Pope on December 30, 2019, 11:14:50 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 31, 2019, 07:57:28 AM
I'm fine with it if we keep it to this thread. But there's just no way that happens.
It's really "pro-Gase" vs "pro-continuity." Nobody here loves Gase. Granted, I hope he succeeds because I'd love to see this board if Gase is successful here, but the jury is out.
I don't know why you continue to push this narrative while also complaining that people are accusing you of loving Gase.
I don't think anyone here would be upset if Adam Gase suddenly has this offense clicking on all cylinders next year. The only issue is that many of us don't believe he will bacause we don't believe he can.
I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but I'd personally love to be talking about how happy I am to be wrong about Gase while standing in the Canyon of Heroes with everyone on this board on a cold February morning in a couple of years.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 31, 2019, 09:33:46 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2019, 11:48:08 AM
I don't know why you continue to push this narrative while also complaining that people are accusing you of loving Gase.
I don't think anyone here would be upset if Adam Gase suddenly has this offense clicking on all cylinders next year. The only issue is that many of us don't believe he will bacause we don't believe he can.
I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but I'd personally love to be talking about how happy I am to be wrong about Gase while standing in the Canyon of Heroes with everyone on this board on a cold February morning in a couple of years.
Can't disagree with any of this.
Post by: Pope on December 31, 2019, 03:05:52 PM
On this day in 2018 by the Miami Dolphins
Post by: reuben on December 31, 2019, 03:06:46 PM
ADAM GASE FIRED
On this day in 2018 by the Miami Dolphins
Sick bastard
Post by: reuben on December 31, 2019, 03:27:38 PM
Doing the Lord's work.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 31, 2019, 03:28:09 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 31, 2019, 04:03:21 PM
Those guys are freaking losers.I can't imagine spending money to have someone drive a truck around in a circle. Those guys are embarrassments to the fan base.
Post by: Pope on December 31, 2019, 04:29:22 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 31, 2019, 04:56:14 PM
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Doing the Lord's work.
this is not a good idea lmao
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2019, 05:28:41 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 02, 2020, 08:28:29 AM
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For various reasons, wide receiver Quincy Enunwa, safety Jamal Adams and former guard Kelechi Osemele ripped the organization on social media. The issue went beyond those three. One source said "many" players felt there was a lack of communication under first-year coach Adam Gase.
Before anyone says it, it was not Manish that wrote that.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 02, 2020, 10:37:57 AM
I think it's very clear that Tannehill had much better production in TN versus his time with Gase in Miami. Career high in yards gained per pass completion.
Post by: Coach K on January 04, 2020, 08:42:51 AM
Worst OL ive ever seen for the Jets, possibly ever. Pass blocking started to improve then more injuries came. It was an utter shitshow. We have good DL, it all starts up front. There goes the Gregg Willams didnt make excuses counter point.
I get the criticisms on Gase though as far as an inability to adjust in game, going into a shell in situational playcalling, and the non chalant passive aggressive stuff with Bell. (that one bothers me the most)
all that being said most people assumed it was a 9 win season with a completely healthy roster. if you told me wed end up 7-9 and shows me who missed how many games I wouldve signed up for it in preseason.
I want to see what Gase and Douglas do in at least 1 real offseason together before i get any pitchfork out.
easy schedule or not, this team couldve given up at 1-7 and they didnt. maybe thats a testament to the locker room more than it is Gase, but that cant be overlooked.
am i sold on Adam Gase? certainly not. I have more faith in Douglas than Gase though so I will see how next season pans out first.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 04, 2020, 01:22:14 PM
ok ill jump in this dumpster fire.
Worst OL ive ever seen for the Jets, possibly ever. Pass blocking started to improve then more injuries came. It was an utter shitshow. We have good DL, it all starts up front. There goes the Gregg Willams didnt make excuses counter point.
I get the criticisms on Gase though as far as an inability to adjust in game, going into a shell in situational playcalling, and the non chalant passive aggressive stuff with Bell. (that one bothers me the most)
all that being said most people assumed it was a 9 win season with a completely healthy roster. if you told me wed end up 7-9 and shows me who missed how many games I wouldve signed up for it in preseason.
I want to see what Gase and Douglas do in at least 1 real offseason together before i get any pitchfork out.
easy schedule or not, this team couldve given up at 1-7 and they didnt. maybe thats a testament to the locker room more than it is Gase, but that cant be overlooked.
am i sold on Adam Gase? certainly not. I have more faith in Douglas than Gase though so I will see how next season pans out first.
Pretty much my position word for word.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 04, 2020, 01:52:32 PM
Pretty much my position word for word.
Mine too though I’m not optimistic at all. I do think Gase sucks but there’s no 100% foolproof evidence at the moment of that, so I’m willing to waste another year of my life to know it for sure instead of blowing everything up all over again.
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2020, 02:00:55 PM
Mine too though I’m not optimistic at all. I do think Gase sucks but there’s no 100% foolproof evidence at the moment of that, so I’m willing to waste another year of my life to know it for sure instead of blowing everything up all over again.We took this approach with Todd Bowles. That’s why I’m so vehemently against giving Gase the benefit of the doubt.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 04, 2020, 02:02:46 PM
Mine too though I’m not optimistic at all. I do think Gase sucks but there’s no 100% foolproof evidence at the moment of that, so I’m willing to waste another year of my life to know it for sure instead of blowing everything up all over again.
I'll say this, the first drives of the game were impressive, better than I remember it for a long time. I feel like a second year into the offense we can start to translate that to the rest of the game.
Also, we always had our 3 timeouts at the end of the game when we needed them. Sounds like a small and easy thing but this is the first time since Parcells that I can remember it being this way. That's good organization on the sideline, a lot of it is the intelligence of the QB and knowing when not to burn them up for stupid reasons.
Keeping the locker room together at 1-7 in year one is also impressive. I have to see more also, but this notion that he's a disaster to me is overblown. Jury is still out, but worth a second year.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 04, 2020, 03:12:54 PM
- We were the 32nd ranked offense in the league.
- Gase led offenses have declined YoY as a head coach in overall ranking.
- Our offense last year under Bates was more productive than this year.
How can anyone think that just because you address the OL, that we will turn into some offensive juggernaut? His track record says it won't.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2020, 03:18:26 PM
Our offense last year under Bates was more productive than this year.
The offensive line was healthier last year.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 04, 2020, 03:35:37 PM
The stats don't lie.
- We were the 32nd ranked offense in the league.
- Gase led offenses have declined YoY as a head coach in overall ranking.
- Our offense last year under Bates was more productive than this year.
How can anyone think that just because you address the OL, that we will turn into some offensive juggernaut? His track record says it won't.
The argument now, since we are keeping Gase, is that we just upgrade the OL tremendously. If there is no improvement in the offense (as in doesn’t become a top 20 unit) then I think everyone will have all the ammo that 1 need to show Gase the door. If he can’t get that offense to produce he isn’t doing us any good. Especially after adding Bell this year and spending what can be assumed to be the vast majority of our resources into his offense next year.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2020, 03:38:57 PM
The OL disaster in 2019 is Adam Gase's only excuse, but it's a damn good one.
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2020, 03:44:07 PM
I'll say this, the first drives of the game were impressive, better than I remember it for a long time. I feel like a second year into the offense we can start to translate that to the rest of the game.
Why? Why do you think that in his fifth year as a head coach and playcaller he's suddenly going to figure out how to make in game adjustments and call plays based upon what the defense is showing, given he has failed to do so in the previous four?
I feel like you are suffering some variant of Stockholm Syndrome, desperately clinging on to blind faith that things will somehow work out.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2020, 03:51:02 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2020, 04:26:29 PM
So far the only good thing I really have to say about him is that he did manage to get Maccagnan fired.
This is correct.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2020, 04:34:19 PM
So far the only good thing I really have to say about him is that he did manage to get Maccagnan fired.
He hired Gregg Williams
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2020, 04:35:39 PM
He hired Gregg Williams
Fair enough.
Post by: Laxin on January 04, 2020, 04:37:39 PM
So far the only good thing I really have to say about him is that he did manage to get Maccagnan fired.
I would add in that he never lost the locker room after a 1-7 start and adjusted the playbook while collaborating with Sam to help account for the OL.
It wasn’t a great showing, but as others have said, it wasn’t enough to definitively get a 1st year HC fired. Sam isn’t broken and showed improvement, and continuity could be beneficial, even if its with a less than ideal HC. He’ll be on the hot seat next season.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 04, 2020, 07:17:11 PM
I know for years we've wondered why the TE has gotten so much neglect on this team. But seeing Herndon and Ryan Griffin could be really freaking exciting since I imagine Gase will incorporate them a bit.
Would likely benefit whoever the freak we have in the backfield too having dual TE threats
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 04, 2020, 11:12:02 PM
Why? Why do you think that in his fifth year as a head coach and playcaller he's suddenly going to figure out how to make in game adjustments and call plays based upon what the defense is showing, given he has failed to do so in the previous four?
I feel like you are suffering some variant of Stockholm Syndrome, desperately clinging on to blind faith that things will somehow work out.
Offensive success isn't all about the coach. Players get more comfortable in the offense, execution can be better, O line has been discussed, all kinds of variables.
Related to that, people have to be careful just citing stats. A team with the lead will play things differently on offense, I've seen huge stats run up in losing efforts when a team is way behind. Some teams play in more elements than others, wind and rain affect the passing game, kicking game, etc.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2020, 03:18:27 PM
- Larry David on Gase
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2020, 06:53:44 PM
IT'S ONLY A GAME!
*cries about players kneeling while bowing down to Donald Trump Fathead©*
*crying*
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2020, 06:59:06 PM
Gase without a hat looks like a serial killer. Serious case of crazy eyes.
https://twitter.com/deflategator/status/1214689758011678720?s=21
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2020, 09:51:31 PM
https://twitter.com/deflategator/status/1214689758011678720?s=21
The hat and beard helps hide the crazy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2020, 08:33:52 PM
Here’s the thing though there’s no actual evidence of any players not getting along with Gase ever
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2020, 08:54:57 PM
https://twitter.com/wallace17_dakid/status/1216177894629814273?s=21
Here’s the thing though there’s no actual evidence of any players not getting along with Gase ever
Mike Wallace wasn't on the Dolphins when Adam Gase was their head coach
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2020, 09:54:48 PM
Mike Wallace wasn't on the Dolphins when Adam Gase was their head coach
So he’s either talking out of his derriere or he knows other guys on the dolphins that played for Adam Gase.
Or he’s just saying that it’s not possible for a player to thrive on the dolphins in general
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2020, 10:02:53 PM
So he’s either talking out of his derriere or he knows other guys on the dolphins that played for Adam Gase.
Or he’s just saying that it’s not possible for a player to thrive on the dolphins in general
He hated Joe Philbin
Their owner seems like a real piece of excrement too
Post by: insanity on January 11, 2020, 11:35:43 PM
15 for 29 160 TDs 3 TDs 1 int
He is far from a franchise qb
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 12, 2020, 02:22:19 AM
Mike Wallace wasn't on the Dolphins when Adam Gase was their head coach
Shhhh, this doesn't support the narrative.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2020, 07:39:19 AM
Before anyone continues to use Tannehill as proof that Gase is a garbage head coach, RT's stats over the past two games
15 for 29 160 TDs 3 TDs 1 int
He is far from a franchise qb
Who the freak cares how successful he was. The furs having a great season. Not every player will thrive in every system. And very few players will thrive in a wheelchair.
I'm not saying this to defend Gase as I think the dudes gotta go after this year unless Sam ascends to greatness. But it's jsut such a stupid freaking seguemebt
Post by: IATA on January 12, 2020, 08:41:36 AM
Emmanuel Acho
@thEMANacho
Imagine a coach who convinced us Ryan Tannehill, Kenyan Drake, and De’vante Parker were no good.
Giving him another head coaching job, and letting him convince us Le’Veon Bell & Sam Darnold aren’t that good.
I wish you luck #Jets.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2020, 08:44:18 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 12, 2020, 09:11:36 AM
Emmanuel Acho
@thEMANacho
Imagine a coach who convinced us Ryan Tannehill, Kenyan Drake, and De’vante Parker were no good.
Giving him another head coaching job, and letting him convince us Le’Veon Bell & Sam Darnold aren’t that good.
I wish you luck #Jets.
Not to side with Gase, but when did he tell anyone Sam wasn’t good enough?
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2020, 10:28:37 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2020, 10:37:33 AM
And that Kenyan Drake was bad in Miami after Gase left
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2020, 12:25:44 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 12, 2020, 12:59:50 PM
Has anyone considered that Gase should be fired?
No, I've never heard anyone suggest this and am looking forward to hearing it suggested a few hundred more times before another Jets game is played.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2020, 01:02:15 PM
No, I've never heard anyone suggest this and am looking forward to hearing it suggested a few thousand more times before another Jets game is played.FYP
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 12, 2020, 01:04:07 PM
Post by: IATA on January 12, 2020, 01:12:39 PM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 12, 2020, 01:44:45 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
Update: board is still gay, and will remain as long as this (or all the other Gase) thread(s) hover at the top.
Breaking News: zero fucks are given
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2020, 01:52:15 PM
Update: board is still gay, and will remain as long as this (or all the other Gase) thread(s) hover at the top.There are plenty of other reason we are all gay. Especially Puck. He's kinda like the smart kid on the baseball team that brings up the team GPA from all the dumb kids. Except its total board gayness instead of GPA.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2020, 02:26:26 PM
Update: board is still gay, and will remain as long as this (or all the other Gase) thread(s) hover at the top.
This board will always be gay
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2020, 02:27:57 PM
Update: board is still gay, and will remain as long as this (or all the other Gase) thread(s) hover at the top.To be fair if Gase wins more games next season this will be a more positive thread.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2020, 02:31:15 PM
To be fair if Gase has the team playing good offense next season this will be a more positive thread.
FYP
Post by: Laxin on January 12, 2020, 05:17:13 PM
FYP
Would you not be up in arms if the offense finishes top 15-20 but they only win 7 games?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2020, 05:18:42 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2020, 05:22:38 PM
Would you not be up in arms if the offense finishes top 15-20 but they only win 7 games?
I can accept the team not being the best in the league. I am less accepting of the team being inept, disorganised and unprepared in the one phase of the game that is supposed to be the head coach's forte. I don't give a excrement about going 7-9 this season, I care that we did it off the back of excellent defense while completely failing to use the most potent weapon.
I will be very happy if we go 6-10 next season playing great offense, but just lose to a bunch of really good teams. That would be far better progress in my eyes than going 9-7 playing the same way we did this year.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2020, 06:23:27 PM
Especially Puck. He's kinda like the smart kid on the baseball team that brings up the team GPA from all the dumb kids.
This is exactly what I am doing in business school.
This place will always be bundle of sticks central, why are you fuckers whining about the queerness in this place.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2020, 06:38:39 PM
why are you fuckers whining about the queerness in this place.
Because you are here and the gayness is blinding us.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2020, 06:39:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2020, 06:26:09 AM
Would you not be up in arms if the offense finishes top 15-20 but they only win 7 games?
If Sam plays at a high level or the offense overall is much better (15-20), then I don’t care how many games we win next year. I didn’t really care this year. I just want to see progress.
I would rather watch Sam take the next step than see the Jets make the playoffs with an albatross at QB and no chance to win a postseason game ala the Bills
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 13, 2020, 11:59:35 AM
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2020, 12:20:56 PM
Of course I want Darnold to develop into a top QB for the next decade but the whole point of that is to win games. I don't care what we're ranked in anything except the standings.Really? For me the whole point is to spend a minimum of 16 enjoyable Sunday afternoons watching the Jets play good football. Wins are the outcome of process, to disregard the quality of the process is at best naive.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2020, 01:02:20 PM
Of course I want Darnold to develop into a top QB for the next decade but the whole point of that is to win games. I don't care what we're ranked in anything except the standings.
A true franchise QB is probably the most important element to sustained success in the NFL. I don’t really care what our record is next year, I want to have a window where we compete for the playoffs a few years in a row. If we end next year with question marks at HC and QB, I won’t give a excrement if we ended with 7 wins or 8 wins.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 13, 2020, 01:06:43 PM
Of course I want Darnold to develop into a top QB for the next decade but the whole point of that is to win games. I don't care what we're ranked in anything except the standings.
Really? For me the whole point is to spend a minimum of 16 enjoyable Sunday afternoons watching the Jets play good football. Wins are the outcome of process, to disregard the quality of the process is at best naive.
I'm more in line with Seafood on this one.
Sure, I want to see the team progress and Darnold mature into a first-ballot HoF QB. However, the Giants won two Super Bowls with Eli Manning under center.
Win a Super Bowl. That's what I want. I don't care if it happens completely by accident.
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2020, 01:46:38 PM
I'm more in line with Seafood on this one.When the pressure increased Eli got better. That's a function of process.
Sure, I want to see the team progress and Darnold mature into a first-ballot HoF QB. However, the Giants won two Super Bowls with Eli Manning under center.
Win a Super Bowl. That's what I want. I don't care if it happens completely by accident.
No one wins a Super Bowl by accident.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2020, 01:55:06 PM
When the pressure increased Eli got better. That's a function of process.
No one wins a Super Bowl by accident.
Idk this patriots dynasty run was pretty fluky
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2020, 02:01:38 PM
Idk this patriots dynasty run was pretty flukyYou don't accidentally sell your soul to Beelzebub. They'll get what's coming to them.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 13, 2020, 03:04:31 PM
I'm more in line with Seafood on this one.
Sure, I want to see the team progress and Darnold mature into a first-ballot HoF QB. However, the Giants won two Super Bowls with Eli Manning under center.
Win a Super Bowl. That's what I want. I don't care if it happens completely by accident.
I enjoy every game day now, there's too few of them so regardless how we're doing they're the best days of the year.
Playing well and winning go together, I don't care how we get wins, just get them. Get to the Super Bowl once for me while I'm here. I'm glad this team got to 7-9 from where it was, especially after 5-11, 5-11 and 4-12, especially going 7-6 with Darnold. That's a positive step. If we win 10 games next year and make the playoffs it means we improved again, regardless of how. There's always things you need to fix from one year to the next, guys who move on or retire, but I find it hard to believe there's Jet fans crying about style points if we're finally winning games.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 13, 2020, 03:11:04 PM
I enjoy every game day now, there's too few of them so regardless how we're doing they're the best days of the year.
Playing well and winning go together, I don't care how we get wins, just get them. Get to the Super Bowl once for me while I'm here. I'm glad this team got to 7-9 from where it was, especially after 5-11, 5-11 and 4-12, especially going 7-6 with Darnold. That's a positive step. If we win 10 games next year and make the playoffs it means we improved again, regardless of how. There's always things you need to fix from one year to the next, guys who move on or retire, but I find it hard to believe there's Jet fans crying about style points if we're finally winning games.
I always refer back to the Shrek year under Herm. Who cares if you win ugly? Winning is what counts. Sure, I want this team to become a dominant elite juggernaut and I want to be accused of being a bandwagon fan as we win our 4th straight Lombardi. But I'll be satisfied getting that one.
I only enjoy wins. Losing sucks.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 13, 2020, 03:29:34 PM
I always refer back to the Shrek year under Herm. Who cares if you win ugly? Winning is what counts. Sure, I want this team to become a dominant elite juggernaut and I want to be accused of being a bandwagon fan as we win our 4th straight Lombardi. But I'll be satisfied getting that one.
I only enjoy wins. Losing sucks.
I was thinking of the Shrek year, too. Perspectives get warped, lose long enough and you don't care what it looks like if you win. That season was three years after our 12-4 bye week season in 1998 where we finished 10-1, so at the time it seemed ugly. Most of us would sign up for 10-6 and the playoffs today.
Post by: insanity on January 13, 2020, 04:17:29 PM
A true franchise QB is probably the most important element to sustained success in the NFL. I don’t really care what our record is next year, I want to have a window where we compete for the playoffs a few years in a row. If we end next year with question marks at HC and QB, I won’t give a excrement if we ended with 7 wins or 8 wins.
Agreed.
I'm usually fine with winning ugly, but our number 1 concern should be making sure Sam is learning and improving. The score doesn't matter if Sam is regressing. Sam's progression is the one and only determinant of Gase's success. Meaning if we make the playoffs, but are the 30th ranked offense I will still call for Gase's head.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 14, 2020, 10:35:29 AM
Agreed.
I'm usually fine with winning ugly, but our number 1 concern should be making sure Sam is learning and improving. The score doesn't matter if Sam is regressing. Sam's progression is the one and only determinant of Gase's success. Meaning if we make the playoffs, but are the 30th ranked offense I will still call for Gase's head.
Serious question. If the Jets have the league's worst offense, but the league's best defense, and every single win is by single digits, throw in a couple of blowout losses, but they win the Super Bowl on a Jamal Adams pick-6 after Sam has a 4 INT day, you'll still want to fire Gase?
As much as I don't like him, if he wins a title, he's instantly my favorite Jets coach ever. I don't care if Sam looks like derriere throughout the entire campaign.
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2020, 10:38:40 AM
Serious question. If the Jets have the league's worst offense, but the league's best defense, and every single win is by single digits, throw in a couple of blowout losses, but they win the Super Bowl on a Jamal Adams pick-6 after Sam has a 4 INT day, you'll still want to fire Gase?That won't happen because one dimensional teams get found out, but in your hypothetical situation then yes. I want to enjoy watching football.
As much as I don't like him, if he wins a title, he's instantly my favorite Jets coach ever. I don't care if Sam looks like derriere throughout the entire campaign.
We won games in the back half because we played good defense against excrement teams. Just looking at the win column tells you nothing.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2020, 11:00:59 AM
Just looking at the win column tells you nothing.
Actually it tells you a lot, the purpose is to win. "You play to win the game."
People can justify anything to knock a coach they don't like. Rex got us to two AFC Championship games with Mark Sanchez in his first two years and people criticize that, so now even if Gase wins a Super Bowl we're going to knock him if it isn't "offensive" enough. It's a results business, if we again win more games than the year before you keep the people in charge as much as you can.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 14, 2020, 11:14:27 AM
That won't happen because one dimensional teams get found out, but in your hypothetical situation then yes. I want to enjoy watching football.
We won games in the back half because we played good defense against excrement teams. Just looking at the win column tells you nothing.
Should the Titans be playing in the AFCC? They barely made the wildcard.
It doesn't matter how you get there. Just get there.
I'm not saying I don't want to see Sam and the offense take strides forward. Of course I do because that increases the overall chance of success. But if they win despite making no offensive progress, I'm still going to be happy with the results.
Winning is all I care about.
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2020, 11:16:31 AM
Should the Titans be playing in the AFCC? They barely made the wildcard.
It doesn't matter how you get there. Just get there.
I'm not saying I don't want to see Sam and the offense take strides forward. Of course I do because that increases the overall chance of success. But if they win despite making no offensive progress, I'm still going to be happy with the results.
Winning is all I care about.
The Titans are not a one dimensional football team.
We are not going anywhere until we figure out how to play offense. Yes, I know, blah blah blah offensive line. Seems there's always an excuse for this guy's failure.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2020, 11:33:22 AM
Should the Titans be playing in the AFCC? They barely made the wildcard.
I'm not saying I don't want to see Sam and the offense take strides forward. Of course I do because that increases the overall chance of success. But if they win despite making no offensive progress, I'm still going to be happy with the results.
Winning is all I care about.
You can do both. Sam is still 22, there's an excellent chance he doesn't look like Rodgers or Brady next year either. Doesn't mean we can't win or we fire the coach if we win and he isn't an all pro just yet. Again, we won in spite of Sanchez because the rest of the team was good, by year three and four when we needed Sanchez to turn into a franchise QB we found out he's not one.
Darnold appears to be in the opposite situation. Hopefully as we get to years three and four with him the team around him is on the rise, as they appear to be, and not the decline. Not having to learn a new offense from day one can only help, and if he has a good first half of the season and not just a good second half like the first two years, we should have a better record.
Post by: insanity on January 14, 2020, 12:53:07 PM
It's a simple concept. If the jets win a superbowl inyour crazy hypothetical scenario Gase should be fired.
Gase is technically the head coach and offensive coordinator, but at the end of the day is a glorified OC. If we won the superbowl in this scenario its 100% because of Gregg williams at the expense of Gase. Therefore Gase should be fired and William's should be the head coach.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2020, 12:55:15 PM
Should the Titans be playing in the AFCC? They barely made the wildcard.
It doesn't matter how you get there. Just get there.
I'm not saying I don't want to see Sam and the offense take strides forward. Of course I do because that increases the overall chance of success. But if they win despite making no offensive progress, I'm still going to be happy with the results.
Winning is all I care about.
The Titans are in the playoffs because they benched Mariota.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2020, 12:56:33 PM
Holy freaking excrement.
It's a simple concept. If the jets win a superbowl inyour crazy hypothetical scenario Gase should be fired.
Gase is technically the head coach and offensive coordinator, but at the end of the day is a glorified OC. If we won the superbowl in this scenario its 100% because of Gregg williams at the expense of Gase. Therefore Gase should be fired and William's should be the head coach.
I was told Gase will turn into Bill Walsh once the oline is fixed.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 14, 2020, 01:50:07 PM
Holy freaking excrement.
It's a simple concept. If the jets win a superbowl inyour crazy hypothetical scenario Gase should be fired.
Gase is technically the head coach and offensive coordinator, but at the end of the day is a glorified OC. If we won the superbowl in this scenario its 100% because of Gregg williams at the expense of Gase. Therefore Gase should be fired and William's should be the head coach.
That's fair. I don't necessarily agree because for me, a head coach's first and primary job is to get a team prepared to win, make adjustments, and motivate the entire team.
After that, Gase's responsibility is to Sam and offense. But if they win the Super Bowl, to me, he will have had to have done enough of his job to matter.
Either way, they should replace Loggains with a real OC. That is where the biggest problem with this staff is to me. Gase is the offensive version of Rex.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 14, 2020, 01:55:20 PM
Ideally, Gase will help Sam turn into an elite QB and will be a great coach of a high-powered offense. That's great for the team's overall chances going forward.
I'm just saying that if those things don't happen but we still win the Super Bowl, I'll still be happy. But I'd certainly prefer winning the Super Bowl because Sam throws 5 TDs every game.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2020, 02:24:21 PM
Post by: insanity on January 14, 2020, 08:16:39 PM
When the Devils won their first Cup in 1995 the whole world was complaining how ugly and boring it was. Didn't bother me in the least, it remains the most dominant playoff run any of my sports teams have ever had.I dont see how that has anything to do with the jets scenario.
Gase was brought in for one reason, to be a QB whisperer. If he cant do that he should be fired.
Enjoying victories in the meantime isnt mutually exclusive with games, success
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2020, 07:38:03 AM
I dont see how that has anything to do with the jets scenario.
Gase was brought in for one reason, to be a QB whisperer. If he cant do that he should be fired.
Enjoying victories in the meantime isnt mutually exclusive with games, success
He was brought in as the head coach, not OC or QB coach. Head coach runs the team, oversees everything. Ultimately responsible for winning or not winning vs each opponent each week. That's how I judge Gase, just like every other head coach we've ever had.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 07:49:12 AM
He was brought in as the head coach, not OC or QB coach. Head coach runs the team, oversees everything. Ultimately responsible for winning or not winning vs each opponent each week. That's how I judge Gase, just like every other head coach we've ever had.
Except it's on record that he wants nothing to do with the Defense...that's why Greg Williams is here. So he's NOT overseeing everything.
They hired Gase to develop Sam. Yes he's the HC...but developing our franchise QB was a prime directive handed down from ownership.
Post by: IATA on January 15, 2020, 07:59:29 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2020, 08:27:31 AM
Except it's on record that he wants nothing to do with the Defense...that's why Greg Williams is here. So he's NOT overseeing everything.
They hired Gase to develop Sam. Yes he's the HC...but developing our franchise QB was a prime directive handed down from ownership.
That's the reason they picked him (I assume) but he's still the head coach, that's his job. Again, I'd have been happier if Williams was head coach and Gase OC but that's not how it is and I'm not sure things would be drastically different either way.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 08:30:12 AM
So he's NOT overseeing everything.
You don’t know this
Post by: IATA on January 15, 2020, 08:32:40 AM
You don’t know this
the defense was pretty good at times, so i can see why he would assume gase wasnt involved with it
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 08:34:29 AM
You don’t know this
none of us know anything.
it's a pretty safe assumption though.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 08:40:02 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 08:47:21 AM
This is not a safe assumption. It’s a wild reach.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 08:49:03 AM
“The HC only cares about offense”
This is not a safe assumption. It’s a wild reach.
It's a safe assumption about Gase
Next thing you're gonna tell me is Dowell Loggains is a real OC.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 08:58:02 AM
I don’t know what to tell you.
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 09:11:49 AM
If you really think Gase doesn’t meet with Gregg and the rest of his staff to go over their plans week-to-week...
I don’t know what to tell you.
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
So Gase receiving status updates from Gregg in meetings, is overseeing the D and being actively involved? ok
If you can find me proof that Gase is drawing up game plans for the D and making defensive adjustments during games....i'll stfu.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 15, 2020, 09:25:14 AM
So Gase receiving status updates from Gregg in meetings, is overseeing the D and being actively involved? okDoes any offensive-oriented coach in the league do that?
If you can find me proof that Gase is drawing up game plans for the D and making defensive adjustments during games....i'll stfu.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 09:30:39 AM
If you can find me proof that Gase is drawing up game plans for the D
That isn’t how coaching works
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 09:38:26 AM
That isn’t how coaching works
k
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2020, 09:40:43 AM
He was brought in as the head coach, not OC or QB coach. Head coach runs the team, oversees everything. Ultimately responsible for winning or not winning vs each opponent each week. That's how I judge Gase, just like every other head coach we've ever had.
That’s just not true. Gase didn’t have excrement to do with the success of the defense or special teams. You could have had any HC in here last year but as long as Greggg and Boyer were here, the results would have been the same or better.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 09:43:19 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2020, 09:43:50 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 09:43:55 AM
That’s just not true. Gase didn’t have excrement to do with the success of the defense or special teams. You could have had any HC in here last year but as long as Greggg and Boyer were here, the results would have been the same or better.
Gregg was awesome for us, but he hasn’t had success everywhere
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2020, 09:44:41 AM
Fire Gase because he isn’t the OC and the DC at the same time!
...maybe if he hired a real OC and not his butt buddy he could handle more responsibilities
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 09:44:42 AM
Gase was hired to be the HC, yes. The reason he was selected to be the HC was to bring a quality offensive scheme in, develop Sam Darnold, and call plays. Gase didn’t do any of those things well this year.
Is that why he was hired?
Or is that the assumption amongst the fans?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2020, 09:47:03 AM
Is that why he was hired?
Or is that the assumption amongst the fans?
Pretty sure that’s what Chris Johnson said but I was in a blind rage
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 09:49:26 AM
Pretty sure that’s what Chris Johnson said but I was in a blind rage
I’m sure offense and QB development are a big piece but as dumb as our owners have been, I don’t think they’d hire a head coach if he didn’t have an entire plan in place when being interviewed.
People don’t want to give the dude any credit. This is his staff. He retained Boyer. He brought in Gregg Williams and that defensive staff.
This is his coaching staff.
Everyone wants to whine about Loggains, but not applaud him for Gregg.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 09:51:35 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 15, 2020, 10:03:03 AM
Greg Williams can be far more important to the defense and Gase can still be involved in the defense.
If you don't think Wade Phillips was far more important for the Rams defense than McVay (who everybody blows) then you don't know excrement.
Of course a guy like Williams who has been a DC for the last 30 freaking years is going to have far more influence knowledge and impact on the defense than a 41 year old head coach
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 10:26:19 AM
It's like you guys are arguing over freaking semantics.
Greg Williams can be far more important to the defense and Gase can still be involved in the defense.
If you don't think Wade Phillips was far more important for the Rams defense than McVay (who everybody blows) then you don't know excrement.
Of course a guy like Williams who has been a DC for the last 30 freaking years is going to have far more influence knowledge and impact on the defense than a 41 year old head coach
How many pennies can the Jets save if they change the kind of toilet paper in their facility bathrooms?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 15, 2020, 10:43:55 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 11:01:02 AM
The best thing he’s done is get Mike Maccagnan the freak outta here
This i'll agree with.
But that's the "only" thing he's done right here.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 15, 2020, 11:13:39 AM
I’m sure offense and QB development are a big piece but as dumb as our owners have been, I don’t think they’d hire a head coach if he didn’t have an entire plan in place when being interviewed.
People don’t want to give the dude any credit. This is his staff. He retained Boyer. He brought in Gregg Williams and that defensive staff.
This is his coaching staff.
Everyone wants to whine about Loggains, but not applaud him for Gregg.
As a reminder, he got a ton of excrement around these parts for bringing Gregg in to begin with. Now of course, he gets no credit.
The guy has a resume, and also a ton of baggage. It wasn't an obvious, slam-dunk hire. Then there was the whole thing about him and Vitt being on the same staff.
Post by: IATA on January 15, 2020, 11:15:16 AM
As a reminder, he got a ton of excrement around these parts for bringing Gregg in to begin with. Now of course, he gets no credit.Was there really people upset about Williams? I recall rejoicing when we got him...
The guy has a resume, and also a ton of baggage. It wasn't an obvious, slam-dunk hire. Then there was the whole thing about him and Vitt being on the same staff.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 11:25:47 AM
Was there really people upset about Williams? I recall rejoicing when we got him...
A lot of people definitely hated the hire
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 11:26:39 AM
This i'll agree with.
But that's the "only" thing he's done right here.
So he didn’t hire a defensive staff that did a great job?
Retaining Boyer wasn’t a good decision?
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 11:30:07 AM
So he didn’t hire a defensive staff that did a great job?3 solid decisions
Retaining Boyer wasn’t a good decision?
freak...give that man a 5yr extension
Too bad he can’t figure out what he was hired to do.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2020, 11:32:44 AM
Does any offensive-oriented coach in the league do that?
Most likely. It's a built-in argument for when someone doesn't like the coach, not much different than the old "Rex ignored the offense" stuff we used to hear. Pretty much any head coach comes from one side of the ball of the other, and the opposite side is run by a guy one step from being a head coach himself. Often a guy with head coach experience. So while I'm sure they communicate week to week about specific personnel and schemes they're dealing with that week, you probably don't want one guy interfering with the other guy's expertise more than he needs to, if at all.
Gase was hired to be the HC, yes. The reason he was selected to be the HC was to bring a quality offensive scheme in, develop Sam Darnold, and call plays. Gase didn’t do any of those things well this year.
We went 7-6 with Darnold in the first year, while learning a new system, missing crucial early games with mono, missing key players and a terrible O line. So while it wan't great, they definitely earned a chance to come back and build on it, probably more sound that going back to square one yet again. Let's see what happens.
I don't get too wrapped up in stats and rankings because every team and every game has a different set of circumstances. You could be running clock in one game with the lead, it could be a wind and rain storm another day and a 9-6 game where you're playing for field position, all different variables. The object is to win that day, which is why I start and end with a 7-6 record with Darnold in his first year.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 15, 2020, 11:35:19 AM
3 solid decisions
freak...give that man a 5yr extension
Too bad he can’t figure out what he was hired to do.
No one is clamoring for him to be extended. The most ardent supporters of Gase on this thread just want to see what he can do in year 2. Year 3 isn't guaranteed.
How do you scheme around the offensive line issues we had this year? I don't know that its' possible.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2020, 11:37:26 AM
No one is clamoring for him to be extended. The most ardent supporters of Gase on this thread just want to see what he can do in year 2. Year 3 isn't guaranteed.
Somehow that's regarded as a crazy point of view here.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 15, 2020, 11:38:00 AM
Somehow that's regarded as a crazy point of view here.
Gase Derangement Syndrome!
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 11:39:13 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 15, 2020, 11:43:46 AM
This is the first time since 2011 that we’ve had the same head coach, OC, and DC.
Are you sure? I thought we retained the same HC OC and DC from the 10-6 season in 15 to 16.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 11:45:59 AM
Are you sure? I thought we retained the same HC OC and DC from the 10-6 season in 15 to 16.
Same three coordinators*
OC, DC, and ST
Post by: Johnny English on January 15, 2020, 11:46:44 AM
No one is clamoring for him to be extended. The most ardent supporters of Gase on this thread just want to see what he can do in year 5.
FYP
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2020, 12:01:10 PM
FYP
Nobody is saying that either. Show me one person talking about a year five. Year one was good enough to earn year two, especially since it finished way better than it started.
Ooooooh, madness.
Post by: Johnny English on January 15, 2020, 12:02:58 PM
Nobody is saying that either. Show me one person talking about a year five. Year one was good enough to earn year two, especially since it finished way better than it started.Next year is year 5. You can continue to completely disregard his prior head coaching performance if you wish but I'm not going to.
Ooooooh, madness.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2020, 12:10:08 PM
Next year is year 5. You can continue to completely disregard his prior head coaching performance if you wish but I'm not going to.
Whatever he did in Miami doesn't carry over to this team, it's a whole different program with different people in place. He's been here one year with a 22 year old QB.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 12:20:06 PM
Whatever he did in Miami doesn't carry over to this team, it's a whole different program with different people in place. He's been here one year with a 22 year old QB.Except it’s not...
Different players, but same program. And coincidentally, same results
Post by: mj2sexay on January 15, 2020, 12:24:32 PM
And coincidentally, same results
By same results, you mean a winning record when his starting quarterback is healthy?
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 12:28:26 PM
By same results, you mean a winning record when his starting quarterback is healthy?According to seafood...details don’t matter, just wins and losses.
So healthy quarterback variables aren’t welcome in this discussion
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
According to seafood...details don’t matter, just wins and losses.
So healthy quarterback variables aren’t welcome in this discussion
I didn't say they don't matter, but the final result is what you ultimately judge by. When you have to keep twisting our arguments into things they aren't, maybe that should tell you something.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 12:51:23 PM
I didn't say they don't matter, but the final result is what you ultimately judge by. When you have to keep twisting our arguments into things they aren't, maybe that should tell you something.
I'm just playing by your rules. When you're done cherrypicking the argument to fit your narrative...let us know.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 15, 2020, 12:54:37 PM
The Jets are more divisive to people on the same side than the Democratic Primary debates.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2020, 01:02:08 PM
I'm just playing by your rules.
No you're not, you're changing things we say to argue with a boogeyman because you have no argument. Nobody is looking to extend Gase for five years at this point, and the last time I checked, pro football was a business based on winning or losing first and foremost. The record didn't end up nearly as the doomsayers were hoping for at 1-7, so you've painted yourselves into a corner now of wanting to fire a coach over stats. If the stats were better and the record was worse you'd be going that way, and you'd have more of a case, but you don't so you have to play word games.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 15, 2020, 02:24:32 PM
When you're done cherrypicking the argument to fit your narrative...let us know.
I literally laughed out loud. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 02:29:17 PM
I literally laughed out loud. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.Not at all
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2020, 02:35:02 PM
No you're not, you're changing things we say to argue with a boogeyman because you have no argument. Nobody is looking to extend Gase for five years at this point, and the last time I checked, pro football was a business based on winning or losing first and foremost. The record didn't end up nearly as the doomsayers were hoping for at 1-7, so you've painted yourselves into a corner now of wanting to fire a coach over stats. If the stats were better and the record was worse you'd be going that way, and you'd have more of a case, but you don't so you have to play word games.Beating a bunch of bottom feeding teams after the 1-7 start isn’t a glowing endorsement.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2020, 02:52:06 PM
Beating a bunch of bottom feeding teams after the 1-7 start isn’t a glowing endorsement.
You play who you play. We actually struggled with the bottom feeding teams and beat some middle of the road teams equivalent to us. For the first time in a few years we weren't a bottom feeding team ourselves.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2020, 06:37:00 PM
We know who hates him (I’m one of those). We know why.
He’s not getting fired before next season starts unless he gets a dui or punches his wife, neither of which have been a problem for him in the past, so let’s just take a break on this thread for a month.
Post by: IATA on January 15, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 15, 2020, 08:29:30 PM
Holy freak this is exactly what I didn’t want to read during the entire offseason.
We know who hates him (I’m one of those). We know why.
He’s not getting fired before next season starts unless he gets a dui or punches his wife, neither of which have been a problem for him in the past, so let’s just take a break on this thread for a month.
this LOL. i'm not a gase fan but there is no way you can justify firing him after a season in which our team and offensive line got wrecked the way they did with injuries. the horrible talent and depth we had on the OL coming in this year had absolutely nothing to do with either gase or douglas, it had everything to do with maccagnan's horrible GM-ing. i understand there has been an effort to paint gase as an offensive guru and people are mad, but there is no way to scheme against what happened to our team this year. people are mad that he didn't make gold out of broken 10 cent packs of ramen noodle soup.
he is getting another shot at it next year, get over it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2020, 08:48:51 PM
Post by: insanity on January 15, 2020, 08:57:07 PM
I’m sure offense and QB development are a big piece but as dumb as our owners have been, I don’t think they’d hire a head coach if he didn’t have an entire plan in place when being interviewed.
People don’t want to give the dude any credit. This is his staff. He retained Boyer. He brought in Gregg Williams and that defensive staff.
This is his coaching staff.
Everyone wants to whine about Loggains, but not applaud him for Gregg.
That's not true
greg was mandated
And it's been said on multiple occasions that gase has nothing to do with the defense
Post by: insanity on January 15, 2020, 09:00:11 PM
No you're not, you're changing things we say to argue with a boogeyman because you have no argument. Nobody is looking to extend Gase for five years at this point, and the last time I checked, pro football was a business based on winning or losing first and foremost. The record didn't end up nearly as the doomsayers were hoping for at 1-7, so you've painted yourselves into a corner now of wanting to fire a coach over stats. If the stats were better and the record was worse you'd be going that way, and you'd have more of a case, but you don't so you have to play word games.Technically it's based on championships
Gase has won zero in 4 years
#FireGase
Post by: Pope on January 15, 2020, 09:17:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2020, 10:20:13 PM
Technically it's based on championships
Gase has won zero in 4 years
#FireGase
#Champed
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2020, 10:33:29 PM
That's not true
Everyone was mandated except for Dowell Loggains, right?
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2020, 11:56:38 PM
#Champed
/thread
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 16, 2020, 12:04:39 AM
Everyone was mandated except for Dowell Loggains, right?On a serious note, the fact that Gase has done nothing to change the offensive staff really puts pressure on him next year. I didn't think he would make significant changes since he runs the offense, so he wants guys he is comfortable working with. But even with the offensive line issues, the offense was still hard to watch last season. By not making any changes, this puts more pressure on himself to get it done next year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 16, 2020, 05:37:47 AM
On a serious note, the fact that Gase has done nothing to change the offensive staff really puts pressure on him next year. I didn't think he would make significant changes since he runs the offense, so he wants guys he is comfortable working with. But even with the offensive line issues, the offense was still hard to watch last season. By not making any changes, this puts more pressure on himself to get it done next year.
I wanted Gase to make tweaks to the staff, didn’t expect him to. The guy is in a serious case of denial if he thinks Dowell Loggains is an asset to him and will help him succeed.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 16, 2020, 05:38:35 AM
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 16, 2020, 06:27:59 AM
I wanted Gase to make tweaks to the staff, didn’t expect him to. The guy is in a serious case of denial if he thinks Dowell Loggains is an asset to him and will help him succeed.
Why cant these freaking coaches see what we see every week? It's just depressing.
Post by: MBGreen on January 16, 2020, 08:05:11 AM
On a serious note, the fact that Gase has done nothing to change the offensive staff really puts pressure on him next year. I didn't think he would make significant changes since he runs the offense, so he wants guys he is comfortable working with. But even with the offensive line issues, the offense was still hard to watch last season. By not making any changes, this puts more pressure on himself to get it done next year.I'm with you here.
You would think since our offense was ranked dead last, there would be some coaching turnover. I'm blown away Gase stood pat.
Even more surprising is that Gase hasn't fired his strength and conditioning staff. Players are going to get injured....but the way they handled their recoveries (ie Mosley) was subpar.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 16, 2020, 09:04:25 AM
I'm with you here.
You would think since our offense was ranked dead last, there would be some coaching turnover. I'm blown away Gase stood pat.
Even more surprising is that Gase hasn't fired his strength and conditioning staff. Players are going to get injured....but the way they handled their recoveries (ie Mosley) was subpar.
The recoveries and the corresponding treatment isn't on the strength guy, that's on the Dr. and the team's therapists. They're the ones creating the treatment plans. The strength guy should be the one preventing injuries in the first place and they should look at all of them because something was seriously wrong there.
Post by: MBGreen on January 16, 2020, 09:09:36 AM
The recoveries and the corresponding treatment isn't on the strength guy, that's on the Dr. and the team's therapists. They're the ones creating the treatment plans. The strength guy should be the one preventing injuries in the first place and they should look at all of them because something was seriously wrong there.
Agreed.
I guess they all got raises because the jets went 6-2 down the stretch. ::)
Post by: bojanglesman on January 16, 2020, 09:15:40 AM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 16, 2020, 09:25:23 AM
The recoveries and the corresponding treatment isn't on the strength guy, that's on the Dr. and the team's therapists. They're the ones creating the treatment plans. The strength guy should be the one preventing injuries in the first place and they should look at all of them because something was seriously wrong there.
Douglas addressed this in his season ending presser, that they will do a thorough investigation on why there were so many injuries. Guess a process of that magnitude will just take more than two weeks.
Post by: MBGreen on January 16, 2020, 09:26:23 AM
Any chance the injuries are just in the category of "excrement happens"?
that was a massive pile of excrement this year.
Gase dealt with an above average amount of injuries in Miami too. I'm wondering if there's a correlation or if it's just a weird coincidence.
Post by: Johnny English on January 16, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
The recoveries and the corresponding treatment isn't on the strength guy, that's on the Dr. and the team's therapists. They're the ones creating the treatment plans. The strength guy should be the one preventing injuries in the first place and they should look at all of them because something was seriously wrong there.Does that fall on the head coach? My guess would be that they would report separately to the GM, but it is only a guess. It's probably also a slightly less urgent change than any you might make to the coaching staff, as they're presumably not part of any FA or draft decisions.
Post by: MBGreen on January 16, 2020, 09:34:12 AM
Does that fall on the head coach? My guess would be that they would report separately to the GM, but it is only a guess. It's probably also a slightly less urgent change than any you might make to the coaching staff, as they're presumably not part of any FA or draft decisions.
But they're still treating and diagnosing injured players all year round. There is no offseason for the medical staff.
If they're not doing a satisfactory job, i would want them out of the building asap.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 16, 2020, 10:28:26 AM
that was a massive pile of excrement this year.
Gase dealt with an above average amount of injuries in Miami too. I'm wondering if there's a correlation or if it's just a weird coincidence.
Wasn't the strength and conditioning coach in Miami the one doing coke and banging bookers or some excrement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 16, 2020, 11:11:53 AM
Wasn't the strength and conditioning coach in Miami the one doing coke and banging bookers or some excrement
That was Loggains
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 16, 2020, 11:26:13 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 16, 2020, 11:45:42 AM
Wasn't the strength and conditioning coach in Miami the one doing coke and banging bookers or some excrement
That was the OL coach
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 16, 2020, 12:24:21 PM
The Jets should be doing the same. But as was said, that's likely a lot more a function of Douglas' job than Gase's.
As far as his coaching staff, I don't know why anyone expected any changes. If you're anti-Gase, you already operate under the assumption that he's incredibly resistant to change and feedback and doesn't accept any shortcomings you believe you see.
Why would he fire Loggains? You never get rid of your most trusted lackey. He's nothing but a placeholder (challenge flag holder too) "OC."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 16, 2020, 01:24:55 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 16, 2020, 02:31:35 PM
Post by: Pope on January 16, 2020, 06:34:17 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 16, 2020, 08:32:18 PM
that was a massive pile of excrement this year.
Gase dealt with an above average amount of injuries in Miami too. I'm wondering if there's a correlation or if it's just a weird coincidence.
Nania said a couple of weeks ago that the Jets have been top 5 in injuries for the last three years. It didn’t start with Gase. I don’t know if it’s the same conditioning staff or not.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 16, 2020, 09:02:44 PM
Does that fall on the head coach? My guess would be that they would report separately to the GM, but it is only a guess. It's probably also a slightly less urgent change than any you might make to the coaching staff, as they're presumably not part of any FA or draft decisions.
I don't know the exact process but a treatment plan and such is created for a player and relayed. As far as I know, the coach GM shouldn't have too much input as they're not medical people but we all know that's probably not the case. Their jobs, in many cases, hinge on players not being out too long. So in the past coaches and GM's don't exactly have the players best interest at heart. I think that's changed somewhat as players now have more input then ever in their treatments.
Anyway, one year of injuries is a small sample size and not any indication of a poor medical, strength and conditioning staff, especially in Football.
What gives me pause is the handling of Osemele which was flat out weird and Moseley groin. The Jets with Pearlman and his interesting (criminal really) take on concussions and thru this year don't have a great reputation for medical staffing. So yeah I would love them to take a look at things. I don't know what that entails and how long it should take. It's the offseason so take your time. NYC has some of the finest Dr's in the world and they're not going anywhere.
The only part on Gase that I know is they put rehabbing players fines out in the open on an electronic board like a bunch of putzes, that's on the coach. Other than that the practices are governed by the CBA so I don't think the injuries are the result of anything Gase has done. Even when Williamson was injured in preseason, he begged to stay in the game. That's bad luck...
I think Gase is what he is, not very good, but the injuries are not something to pin on him. It's the NFL.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 17, 2020, 05:18:06 AM
I don't know the exact process but a treatment plan and such is created for a player and relayed. As far as I know, the coach GM shouldn't have too much input as they're not medical people but we all know that's probably not the case. Their jobs, in many cases, hinge on players not being out too long. So in the past coaches and GM's don't exactly have the players best interest at heart. I think that's changed somewhat as players now have more input then ever in their treatments.But why?
Anyway, one year of injuries is a small sample size and not any indication of a poor medical, strength and conditioning staff, especially in Football.
What gives me pause is the handling of Osemele which was flat out weird and Moseley groin. The Jets with Pearlman and his interesting (criminal really) take on concussions and thru this year don't have a great reputation for medical staffing. So yeah I would love them to take a look at things. I don't know what that entails and how long it should take. It's the offseason so take your time. NYC has some of the finest Dr's in the world and they're not going anywhere.
The only part on Gase that I know is they put rehabbing players fines out in the open on an electronic board like a bunch of putzes, that's on the coach. Other than that the practices are governed by the CBA so I don't think the injuries are the result of anything Gase has done. Even when Williamson was injured in preseason, he begged to stay in the game. That's bad luck...
I think Gase is what he is, not very good, but the injuries are not something to pin on him. It's the NFL.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 17, 2020, 06:09:19 AM
What gives me pause is the handling of Osemele which was flat out weird and Moseley groin.
About the Osemele case, if the Jets were in the wrong on that one, wouldn't the league have reprimanded us by now?
Post by: Miamipuck on January 17, 2020, 07:08:47 AM
About the Osemele case, if the Jets were in the wrong on that one, wouldn't the league have reprimanded us by now?
No idea, I just think the entire situation was odd.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 24, 2020, 02:11:59 PM
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Which teams used pre-snap motion/shifts most often in 2019? [via PFF]
1. SF (79%)
2. BAL (71%)
3. NE (64%)
T4. KC (61%)
T4. TEN (61%)
6. DAL (60%)
7. CAR (58%)
T8. DEN (55%)
T8 LAC (55%)
10. PIT (50%)
...
T28. MIA (35%)
T28. ARI (35%)
30. NYJ (32%)
31. BUF (31%)
32. JAX (25%)
I’m not great at math but I feel like there’s a statistical correlation here
Post by: Heismanberg on January 24, 2020, 06:15:38 PM
I’m not great at math but I feel like there’s a statistical correlation here
Surprised we didn’t motion Bell out more
It’s tough to motion with our receivers because the only one that could play in the slot was Crowder
Anderson and Thomas can only play outside
Post by: dcm1602 on January 25, 2020, 07:16:43 AM
Surprised we didn’t motion Bell out more
It’s tough to motion with our receivers because the only one that could play in the slot was Crowder
Anderson and Thomas can only play outside
Wasn't Thomas pretty good in the slot back in his heyday
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2020, 07:37:07 AM
Wasn't Thomas pretty good in the slot back in his heyday
No
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 25, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
Wasn't Thomas pretty good in the slot back in his heyday
You’re thinking of Wes Welker
Post by: mj2sexay on January 25, 2020, 10:43:22 AM
You’re thinking of Wes Welker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5TglKB000I
Post by: IATA on January 29, 2020, 02:46:16 PM
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He had suffered a shoulder injury during the 2017 season, but then-coach Adam Gase (now with the Jets) said the the team planned to bring him back. But after Williams had surgery, Gase wouldn’t take his calls.
“That really hurt,” Williams said. “I was there four years and gave Miami my all. I still have not spoken to him to this day. That hurt me because me and Gase were cool.”
He hasn't changed a bit.
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2020, 03:24:11 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/29/adam-gase-regrets-freezing-out-damien-williams-in-miami/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueIt’s the oline’s fault
He hasn't changed a bit.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 29, 2020, 03:25:58 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2020, 03:56:46 PM
It’s the oline’s fault
Luke Falk deleted Williams' number from Gase's phone.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 29, 2020, 04:33:47 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 29, 2020, 05:27:01 PM
Maybe they are in different places getting treatment, but he should still touch base with them.
That's my biggest concern about him as a head coach.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2020, 05:58:54 PM
I don't understand the whole "I don't interact with injured players" thing that Adam Gase does.Devil's advocate, maybe he feels that it's a waste of time to focus any energy or time on anyone who can't help that week in the game plan. I don't understand how it would be that hard to speak to an injured player periodically to touch base, but he's wired a bit different.
Maybe they are in different places getting treatment, but he should still touch base with them.
That's my biggest concern about him as a head coach.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 30, 2020, 10:22:34 AM
I don't understand the whole "I don't interact with injured players" thing that Adam Gase does.
Maybe they are in different places getting treatment, but he should still touch base with them.
That's my biggest concern about him as a head coach.
So really, other than the anti-Gase side nitpicking everything, you actually have the same core problem as us. His social/leadership skills seem to suck.
You can make valid arguments that the offensive production was or wasn't his fault this season. You can hold his past years against him or not with equal validity.
But the way he treats people sucks and there really isn't a way to defend it. And that's a central part of the job of head coach of an NFL team.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 30, 2020, 11:10:53 AM
So really, other than the anti-Gase side nitpicking everything, you actually have the same core problem as us. His social/leadership skills seem to suck.
You can make valid arguments that the offensive production was or wasn't his fault this season. You can hold his past years against him or not with equal validity.
But the way he treats people sucks and there really isn't a way to defend it. And that's a central part of the job of head coach of an NFL team.
I can agree with this. To me it still comes down to wins and losses in the end, and 7-9 in one season here isn't enough to tell us it's definitely gong to work out or it's definitely not.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2020, 11:21:55 AM
I can agree with this. To me it still comes down to wins and losses in the end, and 7-9 in one season here isn't enough to tell us it's definitely gong to work out or it's definitely not.
If wins and losses is your bottom line, why do you keep pining for Rex Ryan? His career win/loss record as a HC is 61-66...that's .480 win percentage.
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2020, 11:33:53 AM
If wins and losses is your bottom line, why do you keep pining for Rex Ryan? His career win/loss record as a HC is 61-66...that's .480 win percentage.
Gase is .438 with the Jets and .455 for his career and Seafood's happy with that, maybe he just has really low standards.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2020, 11:38:34 AM
Gase is .438 with the Jets and .455 for his career and Seafood's happy with that, maybe he just has really low standards.
"it all comes down to wins and losses in the end"
okie dokie
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 30, 2020, 11:40:20 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 30, 2020, 11:41:24 AM
If wins and losses is your bottom line, why do you keep pining for Rex Ryan? His career win/loss record as a HC is 61-66...that's .480 win percentage.
Because Rex was 24-14 in his first two seasons, which tells you he can win with a decent team, and win in the playoffs and on the road in the playoffs. That's a lot different than going 7-9 for six years. We've had this conversation already, obviously nothing soaked through that brick wall.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2020, 11:47:41 AM
Because Rex was 24-14 in his first two seasons, which tells you he can win with a decent team, and win in the playoffs and on the road in the playoffs. That's a lot different than going 7-9 for six years. We've had this conversation already, obviously nothing soaked through that brick wall.
Except his head coaching tenure lasted 8 years. Nobody gives a excrement about a small sample size like 2 years....well except for you.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 30, 2020, 12:14:14 PM
Except his head coaching tenure lasted 8 years. Nobody gives a excrement about a small sample size like 2 years....well except for you.
He proved he could win, and win high level games. If he couldn't win we'd never have gone 24-14 over any two seasons, never have gone to consecutive Championship Games. One year could be a fluke, two in a row is not.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 30, 2020, 12:32:21 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 30, 2020, 12:39:08 PM
It's a terrible, confirmation-bias masturbation point. He helped put together the crappy teams that cause his winning percentage to become what it was. Just freaking stop.
His job was to coach the team, which he proved he could do. Nobody said he was flawless and he wasn't the GM. Get players and he can win, the problem wasn't the coach. How many more inferior coaches do we need to hire until you guys get that? You probably never will if you haven't by now.
You guys seriously think I'm going to do this for eight months? You can't justify firing the guy you want to fire because he finished 7-9 so now you want to go back and debate Rex again? If you can't figure out the difference by now that's on you.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2020, 01:12:47 PM
He proved he could win, and win high level games. If he couldn't win we'd never have gone 24-14 over any two seasons, never have gone to consecutive Championship Games. One year could be a fluke, two in a row is not.
Neither is 6 losing seasons in a row (with 2 different teams). Pretty sure Rex got exposed after his first 2 years. But don't let facts stop you from believing your fairy tales.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2020, 01:13:23 PM
It's a terrible, confirmation-bias masturbation point. He helped put together the crappy teams that cause his winning percentage to become what it was. Just freaking stop.
This
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2020, 01:14:54 PM
His job was to coach the team, which he proved he could do. Nobody said he was flawless and he wasn't the GM. Get players and he can win, the problem wasn't the coach. How many more inferior coaches do we need to hire until you guys get that? You probably never will if you haven't by now.
You guys seriously think I'm going to do this for eight months? You can't justify firing the guy you want to fire because he finished 7-9 so now you want to go back and debate Rex again? If you can't figure out the difference by now that's on you.
Here come the flood of excuses. lol
You said wins and losses are your bottom line. Clearly it isn't. Otherwise you wouldn't be sucking Rex's schwanz 24/7.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 30, 2020, 01:37:26 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2020, 01:38:46 PM
Keep jerking each other off and firing coaches on your message board all year, sounds like a good time. Gase isn't going anywhere so complain about Rex, last guy to get you to the playoffs. Or fire your hockey coaches, whatever. See ya.
Lol
checkmate.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 30, 2020, 01:48:48 PM
And yes, I know when Rex had his say in terms of personnel that he was very influential in some absolutely horrible decisions. Signing Derrick Mason at the expense of J-Co and drafting Couples are the two that immediately come to mind.
He's not the first coach to not be able to effectively evaluate talent and he won't be the last. All I know is, when he had a somewhat competent GM and some talent on the team, he was more successful here than any other Jets head coach of my lifetime, Parcells included.
And...I know this has absolutely nothing to do with how to evaluate a head coach, so take it for what its worth. But he loved this franchise. When he knew he was coaching in his last game, first play on offense we shifted our guards like we did in SB3. I know its stupid-it still means something to me as a fan.
I've said this a million times but I will forever maintain that if Rex was coaching that Falcons team against the Pats, they win the Super Bowl that year and Shanny the Junior isn't having to answer questions about 28-3 this week.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2020, 01:53:31 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 31, 2020, 06:39:23 AM
Another article supporting the where there's smoke, there's fire theory
I can't wait until this piece of excrement is gone.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2020, 06:43:00 AM
I can't understand why they like sucking on Manishes dick so much though.
Post by: MBGreen on January 31, 2020, 08:44:27 AM
I understand why jets fans don't like Gase as he's done a pretty shitty job.
I can't understand why they like sucking on Manishes dick so much though.
the problem with Manish is that for all the times he's wrong and looks like a jackass....there's those few times he's right and we're left in disbelief (ie Muhammad Wilkerson).
Post by: Heismanberg on January 31, 2020, 10:01:32 AM
Post by: insanity on January 31, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
He hated it so much that he never made any attempt in the past two years to contact him. (INSERT EYE ROLL HERE)
If Gase talked to him wouldn't that be considered tampering?
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 31, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
look at some of the 'exhibits' he brings up. they're either huge reaches or complete BS. the osemele situation souring isn't something you could put on gase or his communication skills. there was an obvious disconnect between team doctors and the physicians osemele was privately seeing himself. JD cut ties as soon as he could on another poor move by mike maccagnan.
the luke falk 'exhibit' looool. replacement level players get cut all of the time, any theoretical poor communication with gase has nothing to do with that, and manish is out here trying to get people to feel remorse for falk in that situation lmfao. LOL at the 'didn't adequately prepare him' part. if adam gase had a month to work with luke falk on ONE game, could he have squeezed anything else out of a player like him? this is ridiculous
having an all-caps parenthetical "INSERT EYE ROLL HERE" in any sort of article is not journalism. it's not. the fact that manish can do stuff like that and get away with it, and get paid for a job, is a travesty. he deserves to be a line cook in an indian restaurant somewhere in central jersey
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 31, 2020, 10:29:21 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 31, 2020, 10:32:22 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 02, 2020, 01:24:25 PM
But I thought all players hated Gase
Post by: Heismanberg on February 02, 2020, 01:30:03 PM
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Williams credited Gase with making him a more complete running back, which he said has helped him in Andy Reid’s offense.
The same Damian Williams that supposedly hates Adam Gase, according to Manish
Post by: MBGreen on February 02, 2020, 02:13:29 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/02/01/adam-gases-former-players-tell-jets-fans-to-just-relax/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200202/b25acadd6cb74807f27d529d93122b43.jpg)
But I thought all players hated Gase
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 03, 2020, 10:02:05 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/02/01/adam-gases-former-players-tell-jets-fans-to-just-relax/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
But I thought all players hated Gase
Saw this over the weekend. Good to see another side to the story come out publicly. I'd love to learn all of that stuff was really nonsense and see him take this team all the way.
I don't care who gets us there. I just want to enjoy what Chiefs fans did last night.
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2020, 12:31:22 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 11, 2020, 01:06:10 PM
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/10/antonio-cromartie-adam-gase-eric-bieniemy/
He should stick to what he knows, impregnating women.
Post by: insanity on February 11, 2020, 04:31:09 PM
He should stick to what he knows, accidenrally impregnating women.Fyp
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 25, 2020, 09:54:37 AM
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“You couldn’t make a stinkface enough that Le’Veon Bell was on the roster as Gase could. Instead of trying to work [Bell] into the system, or really integrate the offense around him, [Gase] tried to demonstrate how useless this player was.” - Mike Tanier
“The big problem is [Gase's] inability to be satisfied with the roster he’s given, and always be looking for something these guys don’t have. Even when they are top of the line players. ..This is an offense to keep the game close at best, not WIN it”
“Sam Darnold and all those guys are healthy, and it’s still this check down based offense. This is a personnel model that tends to alienate some of the top players. So you see all of these big negatives, but it's the same sort of mentality as the [Gase’s] last 3 years in Miami.”
Q: Have you seen a lot of of Gase’s issues that were transparent in Miami simply carry over to the Jets franchise?
Mike Tanier: 100%
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2020, 10:04:44 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 25, 2020, 10:11:31 AM
freaking gay Turn on the Jets podcast
Mike Tanier is also gay but I agree with most of what he said
Post by: Johnny English on February 25, 2020, 10:15:17 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 25, 2020, 10:17:30 AM
Writes for Football Outsiders, the New York Times and Bleacher Report, but if he says nasty things about Our Lord Adam he is to be summarily dismissed as a know nothing fool.
The moment he agreed to be interviewed by Caporoso, he became a gigantic queynte
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 25, 2020, 11:08:37 AM
The moment he agreed to be interviewed by Caporoso, he became a gigantic queynte
He’s a bigger queynte than Joe Caporoso. Doesn’t mean he can’t be right occasionally
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 25, 2020, 12:06:34 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
Adam Gase approved this message.You dick.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 17, 2020, 03:01:33 PM
You dick.
pretty much
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2020, 06:15:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIe-CWSW4AEpqWs?format=jpg&name=medium)
LETS GOOOOO
Post by: Johnny English on April 23, 2020, 09:59:59 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 23, 2020, 10:17:12 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 23, 2020, 12:48:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 23, 2020, 03:52:40 PM
Adam Gase's offensive resume without Peyton Manning:
Yards per game rank
2015 - CHI (21st)
2016 - MIA (24th)
2017 - MIA (25th)
2018 - MIA (31st)
2019 - NYJ (32nd)
Points per game rank
2015 - CHI (23rd)
2016 - MIA (17th)
2017 - MIA (28th)
2018 - MIA (26th)
2019 - NYJ (31st)
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2020, 03:54:31 PM
Graham Barfield @GrahamBarfieldOffensive genius.
Adam Gase's offensive resume without Peyton Manning:
Yards per game rank
2015 - CHI (21st)
2016 - MIA (24th)
2017 - MIA (25th)
2018 - MIA (31st)
2019 - NYJ (32nd)
Points per game rank
2015 - CHI (23rd)
2016 - MIA (17th)
2017 - MIA (28th)
2018 - MIA (26th)
2019 - NYJ (31st)
Post by: Johnny English on April 23, 2020, 04:06:17 PM
Offensive genius.
He is, he's just been let down by Luke Falk and Brian Winters every single year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 24, 2020, 01:38:39 PM
He is, he's just been let down by Luke Falk and Brian Winters every single year.
Tannehill held him back in Miami!
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 24, 2020, 05:03:50 PM
we all have very good feelings about douglas right now and he wouldn't be here if it wasn't for gase. for all of his shortcomings one day we may say that gase's appointment here was absolutely necessary if only for the fact that we got a guy like douglas out of it
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2020, 05:11:15 PM
say what you want about gase but it took his autistic connivery to get that loser maccagnan out of here and now we have JD, who's been a breath of fresh air so far with his free agent/acquisition approach, the messages about team building that he communicates, etc.Now we need Big Doug to pull the heel turn and send Gase down the river.
we all have very good feelings about douglas right now and he wouldn't be here if it wasn't for gase. for all of his shortcomings one day we may say that gase's appointment here was absolutely necessary if only for the fact that we got a guy like douglas out of it
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2020, 05:53:11 PM
say what you want about gase but it took his autistic connivery to get that loser maccagnan out of here and now we have JD, who's been a breath of fresh air so far with his free agent/acquisition approach, the messages about team building that he communicates, etc.
Has he? I feel like you all do this every time, get all excited about the new guy because he's not the old guy before he's demonstrated anything of actual value.
I'm as hopeful as anyone that he is the next Ozzie Newsome, but so far the most notable things that Douglas has done are:
- sign Ryan Kalil
- sign a bunch of second tier free agents ranging from McGovern (looks like a very tidy deal for a relatively decent player) to Fant (sounds like a lot of money for a swing tackle and jumbo TE)
- draft the guy that pretty much every single poster on this board who wouldn't have picked Wirfs would have drafted
You all did this with Idzik as well. Let's just wait and see whether he actually produces anything good, shall we?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2020, 06:42:10 PM
Post by: Pope on April 24, 2020, 06:55:46 PM
Has he? I feel like you all do this every time, get all excited about the new guy because he's not the old guy before he's demonstrated anything of actual value.I agree but I like what he’s done these last few months.
I'm as hopeful as anyone that he is the next Ozzie Newsome, but so far the most notable things that Douglas has done are:
- sign Ryan Kalil
- sign a bunch of second tier free agents ranging from McGovern (looks like a very tidy deal for a relatively decent player) to Fant (sounds like a lot of money for a swing tackle and jumbo TE)
- draft the guy that pretty much every single poster on this board who wouldn't have picked Wirfs would have drafted
You all did this with Idzik as well. Let's just wait and see whether he actually produces anything good, shall we?
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2020, 07:05:56 PM
I agree but I like what he’s done these last few months.
I have no problem with him but he hasn't actually done anything yet that impacts the field. I'm just saying we should hold off anointing him given he might spend the next two days drafting cunts.
Post by: Pope on April 24, 2020, 07:07:49 PM
I have no problem with him but he hasn't actually done anything yet that impacts the field. I'm just saying we should hold off anointing him given he might spend the next two days drafting cunts.freak off I’m sculpting his bronze bust for Canton
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2020, 09:10:53 PM
I have no problem with him but he hasn't actually done anything yet that impacts the field. I'm just saying we should hold off anointing him given he might spend the next two days drafting cunts.JE, we're Jets fans.
All coaches (except Gase) are amazing Year 1 and awful by Year 4.
All GMs are amazing Year 1 and awful by Year 4.
Douglas seems like a good GM, but he has not proven anything yet. But I'm fine giving him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2020, 09:13:29 PM
JE, we're Jets fans.
All coaches (except Gase) are amazing Year 1 and awful by Year 4.
All GMs are amazing Year 1 and awful by Year 4.
Douglas seems like a good GM, but he has not proven anything yet. But I'm fine giving him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
I'd apologise for being objective but it would be a lie. I really want Douglas to be different but I'd rather celebrate when I know he is than regret it when I find out he isn't.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2020, 09:20:53 PM
I'd apologise for being objective but it would be a lie. I really want Douglas to be different but I'd rather celebrate when I know he is than regret it when I find out he isn't.You anointed him “Big Doug” yesterday
So you’re too late...no turning back now
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2020, 09:22:01 PM
You anointed him “Big Doug” yesterday
So you’re too late...no turning back now
He took an elite tackle and my bar is low. Today is a new day.
Until his players see the field we have no idea what he is.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 24, 2020, 10:40:22 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 25, 2020, 05:50:55 AM
Post by: insanity on April 25, 2020, 08:00:04 AM
I hate to say it but my I have to agree with the guy that has orange crocs.Post malone?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 25, 2020, 10:43:21 AM
Post malone?
banned
Post by: Miamipuck on April 25, 2020, 02:33:11 PM
Post malone?
You mean if he was giving a concert in my backyard, I would not open the shades? That would be a yes, but about JD.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 25, 2020, 02:34:58 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2020, 11:23:00 AM
This is essentially where every jets fan should be at starting next season.
Post by: Pope on April 26, 2020, 02:27:32 PM
https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/why-the-pressures-now-on-jets-coach-adam-gase-after-the-2020-nfl-draft/313342694I think everyone would be in agreement there. If this team underperforms especially on offense this year Gase is gone. Our sights should be set on a wildcard berth, I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
This is essentially where every jets fan should be at starting next season.
Post by: reuben on April 27, 2020, 08:31:19 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/oetnghqlmfv41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0edeabd67d5f8cd80e4d3a18101b7ecbe3fc245f)
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2020, 08:59:42 PM
Looks like we hired the wrong Gase
(https://preview.redd.it/oetnghqlmfv41.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0edeabd67d5f8cd80e4d3a18101b7ecbe3fc245f)
i can solve a rubiks cube and i have no business being anywhere near an NFL head coaching gig haha. but good for that kid, he was having fun. there was a point where he was trying to get his dad's attention while the camera was on them and gase completely ignored him the entire time. i understand that gase's head was probably deep in the goings-on of the team, but he's such a fuckin autist
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 27, 2020, 09:15:29 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2020, 01:55:36 AM
Has he? I feel like you all do this every time, get all excited about the new guy because he's not the old guy before he's demonstrated anything of actual value.
I'm as hopeful as anyone that he is the next Ozzie Newsome, but so far the most notable things that Douglas has done are:
- sign Ryan Kalil
- sign a bunch of second tier free agents ranging from McGovern (looks like a very tidy deal for a relatively decent player) to Fant (sounds like a lot of money for a swing tackle and jumbo TE)
- draft the guy that pretty much every single poster on this board who wouldn't have picked Wirfs would have drafted
You all did this with Idzik as well. Let's just wait and see whether he actually produces anything good, shall we?
To be fair Fant was a hedge. And while Conklin was/is the better player. He doesn't offer the hedge factor of fant
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2020, 03:02:52 AM
Some GMs will get more rope than others. Idzik squandered his good will very quickly, and he was dragged down by his combination with Rex. Maccagnan squandered most of his good will, and then Gase probably rightfully got him fired.
And we will do it with 95% of coaches, too, with Gase being one of the rare exceptions. But most fans will be optimistic about whomever we hire after Gase. I gave Rex a lot of rope. I was quick to turn on Bowles. We'll see with Gase.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2020, 06:12:58 AM
i can solve a rubiks cube and i have no business being anywhere near an NFL head coaching gig haha. but good for that kid, he was having fun. there was a point where he was trying to get his dad's attention while the camera was on them and gase completely ignored him the entire time. i understand that gase's head was probably deep in the goings-on of the team, but he's such a fuckin autist
Gase is busy scheming ways to ruin the next family Thanksgiving
Post by: insanity on April 28, 2020, 07:00:15 AM
I think everyone would be in agreement there. If this team underperforms especially on offense this year Gase is gone. Our sights should be set on a wildcard berth, I don’t think that’s unreasonable.I've said it before and I'll say it again. I dont care what the jets record is this year. The only thing that should determine whether gase keeps his job is how good darnold plays and how good this offense is.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2020, 07:12:24 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I dont care what the jets record is this year. The only thing that should determine whether gase keeps his job is how good darnold plays and how good this offense is.
This is the only reasonable answer
We have a tough schedule and a lot of young players
Missing the playoffs is reasonable. Sam not taking a big 3rd year leap is unacceptable
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 28, 2020, 09:45:38 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2020, 10:00:29 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I dont care what the jets record is this year. The only thing that should determine whether gase keeps his job is how good darnold plays and how good this offense is.
He's the head coach. Everything should be taken into account.
If Darnold takes the next step and throws for 30 TDs but the team is still losing a lot of football games, a change should be considered.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 28, 2020, 11:16:09 AM
He's the head coach. Everything should be taken into account.
If Darnold takes the next step and throws for 30 TDs but the team is still losing a lot of football games, a change should be considered.
Couldn’t agree more. Gase was brought here to win Super Bowls. The best path to doing that is to develop Darnold first and foremost. But if Sam becomes the best QB in football, it doesn’t matter if we still can only go 7-9.
If Gase isn’t moving us towards winning rings, Sams progress is only partially relevant.
It also bears pointing out, that even if Gase develops Sam as a player, that does NOT preclude any other coach from bringing Sam along as well as the rest of the team. I was of the mindset we never should have hired him, and we should have fired him at the end of the year. I think Sam needs more help than what Gase’s atrocious scheme last year provided.
Now that we have an offensive line and added a young exciting weapon in Mims as we head into year 2 of the offense Gase has no excuses left. Especially when you add the fact our atrocious injury luck last year will at least somewhat regress to the mean. If we don’t progress as an offense into the top 20 and preferably top 16, Gase’s job needs to be in serious jeopardy if we aren’t somehow going 10-6 despite a meh offense.
The one thing Gase deserves credit for is Greg Williams. We bitched and moaned that Rex and Bowles never bothered to hire a real OC. Well Gase did his job hiring a legitimate (and apparently quite elite) coordinator on the opposite side of the ball, and frankly it’s almost certain that it saved Gase’s job. If he had hired Loggains equivalent on the defensive side of the ball, we would have gone 3-13.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 11:22:06 AM
The one thing Gase deserves credit for is Greg Williams. We bitched and moaned that Rex and Bowles never bothered to hire a real OC. Well Gase did his job hiring a legitimate (and apparently quite elite) coordinator on the opposite side of the ball, and frankly it’s almost certain that it saved Gase’s job. If he had hired Loggains equivalent on the defensive side of the ball, we would have gone 3-13.
Pretty sure that Gase was told he was getting Williams as his DC, he didn't choose him.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2020, 11:27:27 AM
Pretty sure that Gase was told he was getting Williams as his DC, he didn't choose him.
It was his call. He hired his entire staff.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
It was his call. He hired his entire staff.
That isn't my recollection, but I can't be bothered looking it up. Gase brought Vitt in, and there was concern at the time about it because he was one of the whistleblowers in New Orleans who got Williams suspended, but I'm pretty sure that Williams was always the choice of Maccagnan and Johnson.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2020, 12:11:35 PM
Might not have been his idea but he was on board with the hiring.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 28, 2020, 12:26:32 PM
It also bears pointing out, that even if Gase develops Sam as a player, that does NOT preclude any other coach from bringing Sam along as well as the rest of the team. I was of the mindset we never should have hired him, and we should have fired him at the end of the year. I think Sam needs more help than what Gase’s atrocious scheme last year provided.
This is exactly how I feel.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 28, 2020, 12:26:44 PM
Williams had been targeted by Johnson and MacCagnan early in the hiring process but Gase agreed to it.
Might not have been his idea but he was on board with the hiring.
Considering his own hire was predicated on Williams, how could he be against it if he wanted the Jets job.
Post by: klaximilian on April 28, 2020, 12:29:44 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I dont care what the jets record is this year. The only thing that should determine whether gase keeps his job is how good darnold plays and how good this offense is.
I think it carries the most weight, but by no means is the thing to be considered. Darnold taking a huge step forward in a disappointing season may provide Gase with a longer leash, but he's not out of the woods just because.
If the Jets barely make the playoffs (or nearly miss the playoffs) but Darnold sh*ts the bed, I'd think he's got a higher chance of being fired.
FWIW, any Jets fan who is rooting for Gase to fail and get fired needs a swift kick in the nuts.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 01:06:52 PM
FWIW, any Jets fan who is rooting for Gase to fail and get fired needs a swift kick in the nuts.
Bollocks. I don't believe that there's any way he will be successful as a head coach, here or anywhere else, so I don't want to see him taking a long time to prove it. I'd much rather he completed his failure quickly so we can get on with actually hiring someone suited to the job, so in that sense I'm absolutely rooting for him to fail because it's by far our best chance of the team succeeding.
Post by: klaximilian on April 28, 2020, 01:25:59 PM
Bollocks. I don't believe that there's any way he will be successful as a head coach, here or anywhere else, so I don't want to see him taking a long time to prove it. I'd much rather he completed his failure quickly so we can get on with actually hiring someone suited to the job, so in that sense I'm absolutely rooting for him to fail because it's by far our best chance of the team succeeding.
Put your cup on.
I dislike like Gase as much as the next guy, but in no way am I ever going to root for him or my team to fail. I could never get on board with that mentality.
No disrespect, but believing that you know more about Gase than the man in charge, Joe Douglas, is wildly arrogant. Just my $.02.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 01:33:38 PM
Put your cup on.
I dislike like Gase as much as the next guy, but in no way am I ever going to root for him or my team to fail. I could never get on board with that mentality.
No disrespect, but believing that you know more about Gase than the man in charge, Joe Douglas, is wildly arrogant. Just my $.02.
You're assuming that Douglas has belief in Gase. The fact that his FAs are almost all one year deals if we want them to be rather suggests that he's not currently building a long term roster in Adam Gase's image.
So we're clear, I'm not rooting for the Jets to fail. I'm rooting for Gase's inability to be a head coach who can win a Super Bowl to be clearly demonstrated as quickly as possible, so that Chris Johnson will wake the freak up and let Joe get on with hiring a head coach who can.
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2020, 01:55:22 PM
No disrespect, but believing that you know more about Gase than the man in charge, Joe Douglas, is wildly arrogant. Just my $.02.
Well if it weren't for our collective delusional arrogance then we wouldn't have much of a message board, would we.
What is sports fandom without the Dunning-Kruger effect?
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 02:02:18 PM
Well if it weren't for our collective delusional arrogance then we wouldn't have much of a message board, would we.
What is sports fandom without the Dunning-Kruger effect?
This is why I'm concerned about sports like hockey and soccer resuming in empty arenas and stadia. Every game is going to be dull as freak and finish 0-0, because without fans there to tell the players when to shoot they're not going to know.
Post by: Gorilla on April 28, 2020, 02:02:34 PM
Well if it weren't for our collective delusional arrogance then we wouldn't have much of a message board, would we.
What is sports fandom without the Dunning-Kruger effect?
Very true, bless your heart for the sig.
Post by: insanity on April 28, 2020, 02:37:46 PM
The record still has to matter. We can't be looking for moral victories, Brady is gone, the division is finally in play like every other division. Yes, we play some good teams, so what? Beat them if you're a good team, at least enough of them to give yourself a chance.My point was more so the reverse.
If the jets make the playoffs because our Defense is ranked #1 in the league and our offense is ranked 30th again, then Gase should be canned. Gase is the headcoach, but he pretty much has a laissez faire relationship with the defense and special teams.
Gase was brought in here to help Sam Darnold become a franchise quarterback. If he can't do that we need to find someone else who can, and that can be in the form of a new head coach or promoting Gregg and hiring an offensive coordinator.
Post by: klaximilian on April 28, 2020, 02:49:03 PM
Well if it weren't for our collective delusional arrogance then we wouldn't have much of a message board, would we.
What is sports fandom without the Dunning-Kruger effect?
No argument here.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 28, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
You're assuming that Douglas has belief in Gase. The fact that his FAs are almost all one year deals if we want them to be rather suggests that he's not currently building a long term roster in Adam Gase's image.
So we're clear, I'm not rooting for the Jets to fail. I'm rooting for Gase's inability to be a head coach who can win a Super Bowl to be clearly demonstrated as quickly as possible, so that Chris Johnson will wake the freak up and let Joe get on with hiring a head coach who can.
This right here.
I want the Jets to go 19-0 every single year. Every one. But I don’t think that’s going to happen, and I damn sure have serious doubts about the leader we have on the field in Gase helping us move in that direction.
I don’t believe JD is married to Gase and I believe that his moves this year (mostly 1-2 yr deals) were done for 3 reasons. 1. No idea if Gase is going to last. 2. We are trying NOT to commit big time to FAs, especially this class. None of these guys were set to be major building blocks to what we think a championship caliber squad would be. 3. Douglas wants to build through the draft. The plan was sign guys to give us the chance to compete today while our draftees develop and take over in the medium to long term range.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2020, 03:15:45 PM
You're assuming that Douglas has belief in Gase. The fact that his FAs are almost all one year deals if we want them to be rather suggests that he's not currently building a long term roster in Adam Gase's image.This is stupid.
So you think Douglas took the Jets job, knowing he would be hamstrung with a head coach he didn't like for a year and a half? And signing FAs to 1-year deals is your evidence?
Why wouldn't Douglas just wait 8 months and take a job with a better roster and a better ownership situation and a head coach he can pick, rather than wait 20 months? That's insane logic. I get that you don't like Gase, but be rational.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2020, 03:20:21 PM
You judge Gase based on Darnold and the team success. Last year was a mixed bag, but it was year 1, and he had a ton of injuries, including at the QB position. Once QB got stabilized and Darnold got healthy, the team played decently. Now, the team needs to take a step forward, with Darnold leading the way. If they don't, Gase will be firmly on the hot seat if not fired.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 03:23:42 PM
This is stupid.
So you think Douglas took the Jets job, knowing he would be hamstrung with a head coach he didn't like for a year and a half? And signing FAs to 1-year deals is your evidence?
Why wouldn't Douglas just wait 8 months and take a job with a better roster and a better ownership situation and a head coach he can pick, rather than wait 20 months? That's insane logic. I get that you don't like Gase, but be rational.
You're right, that is insane logic. How did you manage to extrapolate that from what I wrote?
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2020, 03:25:40 PM
You're right, that is insane logic. How did you manage to extrapolate that from what I wrote?You implied that Douglas doesn't believe in Gase. So I replied how that is stupid logic. Not rocket science.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 03:28:31 PM
You implied that Douglas doesn't believe in Gase. So I replied how that is stupid logic. Not rocket science.
That isn't what you said at all. I'm about to go on a conference call, see if you can figure out over the next half hour or so what the rather more rational sequence of events looks like.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
That isn't what you said at all. I'm about to go on a conference call, see if you can figure out over the next half hour or so what the rather more rational sequence of events looks like.The most rational sequence of events is...
1. Adam Gase got Maccagnan fired.
2. The Jets hired Joe Douglas because he was the best candidate, and because he had a good working relationship with Gase, who was largely in charge at that point.
3. Joe Douglas and Adam Gase are now working together to build the best Jets roster possible. If that fails, then Gase will be the first fall guy since Douglas has a longer leash.
The idea that Douglas doesn't have faith in Gase isn't rational, so please explain it to me. Because that either means:
- He took the job last year, knowing he was stuck with a coach he didn't like
- He took the job last year with trust in Gase, then lost faith in Gase over 8 months, but didn't have enough clout to get him fired.
Neither of those make that much sense. Douglas had all the leverage in April.
- Why would he take a job with a coach he hated?
- Why would he take a job where the ownership would ignore his recommendation to fire a coach?
- Why would he stick with a coach he doesn't believe in?
At least one of those has to be true for your implication to be right.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 28, 2020, 03:47:28 PM
Personally, I would rather root for our current coach to succeed. There's no guarantee the next coach will succeed, so I'll root for the current coach to succeed, until he proves to me he can't coach. And maybe that next coach will get more than a month of leeway.
You judge Gase based on Darnold and the team success. Last year was a mixed bag, but it was year 1, and he had a ton of injuries, including at the QB position. Once QB got stabilized and Darnold got healthy, the team played decently. Now, the team needs to take a step forward, with Darnold leading the way. If they don't, Gase will be firmly on the hot seat if not fired.
As a head coach, he's 30-35 and has never had an offense ranked higher than 24th overall. What's worse his offense has declined in overall ranking YoY.
What part of that makes you think that he can coach?
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2020, 03:58:30 PM
As a head coach, he's 30-35 and has never had an offense ranked higher than 24th overall. What's worse his offense has declined in overall ranking YoY.I would argue that he had no better than 30-34 talent in his career. He's also 20-17 when he has his starting quarterback (and it's not like Ryan Tannehill and 22-year old Sam Darnold are any better than mediocre QBs).
What part of that makes you think that he can coach?
I'm not sold on Gase. I'm not sold that he's a good coach. But I'm judging him mostly on what he's done with the Jets. Year 1 was mediocre. Hopefully, year 2 is better. If not, we'll hire someone else.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 04:51:17 PM
The most rational sequence of events is...
1. Adam Gase got Maccagnan fired.
2. The Jets hired Joe Douglas because he was the best candidate, and because he had a good working relationship with Gase, who was largely in charge at that point.
3. Joe Douglas and Adam Gase are now working together to build the best Jets roster possible. If that fails, then Gase will be the first fall guy since Douglas has a longer leash.
The idea that Douglas doesn't have faith in Gase isn't rational, so please explain it to me. Because that either means:
- He took the job last year, knowing he was stuck with a coach he didn't like
- He took the job last year with trust in Gase, then lost faith in Gase over 8 months, but didn't have enough clout to get him fired.
Neither of those make that much sense. Douglas had all the leverage in April.
- Why would he take a job with a coach he hated?
- Why would he take a job where the ownership would ignore his recommendation to fire a coach?
- Why would he stick with a coach he doesn't believe in?
At least one of those has to be true for your implication to be right.
Here's how I see it (and it's only one possibility, I obviously have no more insight into what's actually going on than anyone else here):
Gase successfully manoeuvres Maccagnan out for whatever reason - thinks he's excrement at his job, thinks he doesn't have his (Gase's) back, hates his stupid coffee breath - and recognises he needs a friendly in the role. Knows Douglas from the one year they worked together at the Bears and obviously he's a well thought of exec who is on plenty of teams' radar as an up and coming GM, so makes sense for both Gase and the Jets.
Douglas gets the call, can see that the Jets are - despite our well deserved reputation - in a good position to build long term success, with a highly thought of young franchise QB as well as some other good or great players on the roster, and room for manouevrability on the roster. Also, he's the preferred pick of the head coach so it's not a case of being inserted in above or alongside someone who doesn't really want him, so it's a welcoming environment. You never know when opportunity is going to come knocking next and this one on many levels isn't bad at all, and has the added bonus of the kids not having to change schools.
All of this is, I think, fairly uncontroversial.
Here's where my line of thinking and yours may differ. For one year, 2015, Douglas and Gase worked in the same organisation, Douglas as the Director of College Scouting under Ryan Pace and Gase as the OC under John Fox. Now for all I know they got together at 5 o'clock every day in Gase's office and drank beer, bonded and agreed over manly hugs to see out their golden years together sitting on a dock with fishing rods, but what definitely didn't happen is that Douglas got to watch first hand what a great head coach Gase is.
Fast forward back to about this time last year and Douglas is taking over as GM for us. We have been in recent years a graveyard of ambition for NFL GMs; our last three have all been rookies at the position, and none of the three have been given another opportunity since being fired by the Jets. Douglas is not a stupid man and he has been around a few teams and a lot of smart execs, so he knows that tying his fortunes to that of a head coach any more than is necessary for the role is a good way to pooch your career. Having watched his performance last year as head coach it seems clear that Gase is not universally popular, outside the building or inside it, so what's the logical move for the GM at this point? Give yourself options.
Joe Douglas is not Adam Gase's GM, he's the New York Jets' GM. After the disaster that was last season, some of which was on Gase and some of which was not, you have to be as open as possible to whatever comes next. If the Jets stink again next year, players hate him because he's publicly shaming them in the stadium corridors and calling plays seemingly designed to make them fail, fans hate him because we're 4-12 and Sam's looking like he might bust, and ownership hates him for all of the above, he has to not only not be seen as Gase's guy but he also has to be able to adjust the roster to suit whoever comes in next. And of course, if the team comes storming out of the blocks and goes 13-3 and players pledge the rest of their careers to Adam Gase and I buy a jersey with his name on the back to prove how very wrong I was, he still has the ability to keep those players.
So my very long winded explanation is to say that no, I don't think Douglas hates Gase. If he did he wouldn't have come here to start with. I do think that based upon what he saw first hand he probably has misgivings about his ability to do the job, like most of us do, and wants to ensure that if we cut ties with Gase at the end of this season he isn't seen as part of that mess. He doesn't have the power to fire Gase and nor would he probably wish to given Gase's role in bringing him here - it probably suits him fine that he's a voice in Johnson's decision, not the hatchet man himself. No one wants the reputation of being duplicitous, but in the end he's got to look out for himself and that's what I think he's done with this roster.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 28, 2020, 05:51:35 PM
I would argue that he had no better than 30-34 talent in his career. He's also 20-17 when he has his starting quarterback (and it's not like Ryan Tannehill and 22-year old Sam Darnold are any better than mediocre QBs).
I'm not sold on Gase. I'm not sold that he's a good coach. But I'm judging him mostly on what he's done with the Jets. Year 1 was mediocre. Hopefully, year 2 is better. If not, we'll hire someone else.
I mean Tannehill had an amazing season with TN after he took over for Mariota and was one win away from the SuperBowl.
But ok, let's agree to can his bug eyed derriere when he fails our team this season
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2020, 06:28:39 PM
I mean Tannehill had an amazing season with TN after he took over for Mariota and was one win away from the SuperBowl.
But ok, let's agree to can his bug eyed derriere when he fails our team this season
Tennessee was successful because of Derrick Henry and their defense.
Tannehill was a game manager for them.
He had better statistical seasons under Gase.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 28, 2020, 07:14:50 PM
Tennessee was successful because of Derrick Henry and their defense.
Tannehill was a game manager for them.
He had better statistical seasons under Gase.
His stats say otherwise:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2020, 07:31:54 PM
I mean Tannehill had an amazing season with TN after he took over for Mariota and was one win away from the SuperBowl.Statistically, Tannehill was fantastic in the regular season. Definitely won't argue against that. He had a historically great season....in 10 starts.
But ok, let's agree to can his bug eyed derriere when he fails our team this season
Personally, I think it was a little fluky, and I think the Titans agreed, since as soon as they got to the playoffs, they turned him into Mark Sanchez and never let him throw.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 28, 2020, 07:45:34 PM
Statistically, Tannehill was fantastic in the regular season. Definitely won't argue against that. He had a historically great season....in 10 starts.
Personally, I think it was a little fluky, and I think the Titans agreed, since as soon as they got to the playoffs, they turned him into Mark Sanchez and never let him throw.
If the Titans thought his season was a fluke, they would not have given him a $118M contract
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 28, 2020, 09:40:36 PM
And sorry but last season was not a disaster. It was a standard shitty season for the Jets. We sucked in one side of the field, were good in the other and ended 7-9, as most of us expected despite not having our starting QB for three games. Our coach sucks, but given the circumstances the record and season were just mediocre, not epically bad.
We can always suck more of course, hopefully it doesn’t happen next season. There is a chance we do but we might as well be better too. At this point none of us can know for certain.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2020, 10:32:58 PM
Wtf... where did this Douglas hates Gase come from?
Derek Smalls' imagination. I don't believe that anyone else has suggested that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2020, 10:35:38 PM
Wtf... where did this Douglas hates Gase come from?
The idea that Douglas doesn't believe in Gase was floated by Johnny English.
You're assuming that Douglas has belief in Gase. The fact that his FAs are almost all one year deals if we want them to be rather suggests that he's not currently building a long term roster in Adam Gase's image.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 29, 2020, 07:02:06 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 29, 2020, 07:22:35 AM
The only question that matters is will Douglas believe in Gase in January/February, as whatever opinion he has of him now will surely either improve or worsen by then
Post by: MBGreen on April 29, 2020, 08:11:57 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2020, 09:39:37 AM
Put up or shut up time
Post by: Pope on April 29, 2020, 03:35:26 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2020, 03:41:46 PM
Not sure what’s worse the Gase argument or the Rex argumentHonestly, I prefer Rex arguments at this point. I think we've had pretty much every conceivable Gase argument over the last 5 months, and I am so sick of it. Plus, the Rex ones are easier to ignore.
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
Honestly, I prefer Rex arguments at this point. I think we've had pretty much every conceivable Gase argument over the last 5 months, and I am so sick of it. Plus, the Rex ones are easier to ignore.Rex > Gase
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2020, 04:58:05 PM
Rex > Gase
YES. Combine the two and we've got a whole new argument, although I can't imagine that there are many who would rather have Gase.
Post by: Pope on April 29, 2020, 05:06:15 PM
The combination of Rex and Gase or the combination of Mangini and Bowles?
That should keep us going for 10 more years
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2020, 05:18:25 PM
Who do you think is a better coach?
The combination of Rex and Gase or the combination of Mangini and Bowles?
That should keep us going for 10 more years
Mangini HC / Bowles DC > Rex and Gase in either combination.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2020, 05:45:03 PM
Mangini HC / Bowles DC > Rex and Gase in either combination.Agreed.
It's amazing how well Mangini's tenure aged in retrospect.
Granted, if Gase truly is the offensive mind he is billed to be, I could change my mind later, but Gase needs to prove it.
Bowles and Rex as DC's are about the same for me, though obviously Rex is more fun.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2020, 05:47:30 PM
I'm positive.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 29, 2020, 05:52:04 PM
I think our offense will be hopping this year. More talent signed, a ton coming back from injury. Same offensive and defensive scheme for 2 years in a row for a change. Sam having consistency and making the 3rd year jump.
I'm positive.
I am positive too, the Jets offense will be better....... It can't get any worse.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2020, 06:15:45 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 29, 2020, 07:12:38 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2020, 08:46:33 PM
The point where I lost all hope in Mangini being a successful coach here was when he thought waving Gholston’s combine numbers was a solid motivational tactic.I don't remember that.
But as a side note - Gholston is viewed as the poster child for workout warriors. I don't think that's fair at all. The guy was a monster in college. He had the Ohio State single-season sack record, which has only been broken by Bosa and Chase Young. He was a top-20 pick well before the combine if I remember.
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2020, 08:01:05 AM
Who do you think is a better coach?
The combination of Rex and Gase or the combination of Mangini and Bowles?
That should keep us going for 10 more years
I'm actually stumped by this.
Gax vs Bowgini
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 10:37:38 AM
Agreed.
It's amazing how well Mangini's tenure aged in retrospect.
Granted, if Gase truly is the offensive mind he is billed to be, I could change my mind later, but Gase needs to prove it.
Bowles and Rex as DC's are about the same for me, though obviously Rex is more fun.
Except Rex had historically nasty defenses until the talent dissolved.
Bowles was just horrendous all around.
While Mangini had his excrement together all around the best, I think Bowles was just the worst of the bunch. Gase has another year to determine where he falls in the halls of suckitude
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2020, 10:53:21 AM
Except Rex had historically nasty defenses until the talent dissolved.
Bowles was just horrendous all around.
While Mangini had his excrement together all around the best, I think Bowles was just the worst of the bunch. Gase has another year to determine where he falls in the halls of suckitude
Bowles is a great DC. Built an excellent defense in Arizona which is what got him the Jets HC job, then went to Tampa and immediately turned them into one of the best defenses in the league. Football coaches are not immune to the Peter Principle as we have keenly proven a bunch of times, but it doesn't mean they're not still great coaches. As Heismanberg has said previously, being a head coach is less of a coaching role and more of CEO type of function. It's one of the many knocks I have on Gase, and one of the reasons why his continued failure is highly likely.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 30, 2020, 11:55:28 AM
Bowles is a great DC. Built an excellent defense in Arizona which is what got him the Jets HC job, then went to Tampa and immediately turned them into one of the best defenses in the league. Football coaches are not immune to the Peter Principle as we have keenly proven a bunch of times, but it doesn't mean they're not still great coaches. As Heismanberg has said previously, being a head coach is less of a coaching role and more of CEO type of function. It's one of the many knocks I have on Gase, and one of the reasons why his continued failure is highly likely.
2 for 2 today
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 12:51:19 PM
Bowles is a great DC. Built an excellent defense in Arizona which is what got him the Jets HC job, then went to Tampa and immediately turned them into one of the best defenses in the league. Football coaches are not immune to the Peter Principle as we have keenly proven a bunch of times, but it doesn't mean they're not still great coaches. As Heismanberg has said previously, being a head coach is less of a coaching role and more of CEO type of function. It's one of the many knocks I have on Gase, and one of the reasons why his continued failure is highly likely.
Regardless Rex was part of all time historic defenses in Baltimore, all time historic defenses with the Jets, and then turned Buffalo into a nasty defense.
Yeah Bowles had some success in Arizona and Tampa on the defensive side of the ball. But Rex unquestionably had far more, and two of Rexs 3 were has HC.
I haven't watched much of Tampa last season. But statistically while they forced a turn of turnovers, they also allowed the 4th most points in the NFL, and 3rd most passing yards in the league
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2020, 12:53:06 PM
Regardless Rex was part of all time historic defenses in Baltimore, all time historic defenses with the Jets, and then turned Buffalo into a nasty defense.
Yeah Bowles had some success in Arizona and Tampa on the defensive side of the ball. But Rex unquestionably had far more, and two of Rexs 3 were has HC.
Rex Ryan was a head coach with the Jets and Buffalo.
Who gives a damn how good his defenses were?
He could never, ever field an efficient offense. He failed as a head coach. His reputation is excrement.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2020, 12:58:32 PM
Rex Ryan was a head coach with the Jets and Buffalo.
Who gives a damn how good his defenses were?
He could never, ever field an efficient offense. He failed as a head coach. His reputation is excrement.
My point wasn't to praise Rex. Rather saying the dude led far better defenses than Bowles, and brought far more to the table that dude
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2020, 01:01:06 PM
Regardless Rex was part of all time historic defenses in Baltimore, all time historic defenses with the Jets, and then turned Buffalo into a nasty defense.
The Buffalo defense under Jim Schwartz was way better, Rex fucked it all up by insisting on trying to make that monstrous defensive line play in a 3-4.
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2020, 01:01:38 PM
My point wasn't to praise Rex. Rather saying the dude led far better defenses than Bowles, and brought far more to the table that dude
No one's trying to make an argument for Bowles over Rex, are they?
Post by: Miamipuck on April 30, 2020, 01:02:02 PM
The Buffalo defense under Jim Schwartz was way better, Rex fucked it all up by insisting on trying to make that monstrous defensive line play in a 3-4.
I was about to say this, his defense in Buffalo went backwards.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 08, 2020, 12:34:14 AM
We've seen other quarterbacks play significantly better on scripted plays. Mitchell Trubisky comes to mind recently. Is Darnold simply significantly better on the plays he practices? Is Gase a great play-caller on scripted plays and bad at adjusting in the game? Is it a fluke based on small sample size?
There were so many games in the second half last season where the game started, we would march down the field, and I would think that THIS would be the game that the offense would break out, and then we would stagnate for the rest of the game.
I also think the OL has a lot to do with it. It's probably easier to scheme away from OL problems early in the game.
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2020, 05:51:04 AM
My biggest curiosity with Gase, Darnold, and the Jets offense is this: we had the best offense in the NFL on opening drives last season, and we were atrocious outside of that.Isn't improvising supposed to be a strength of Darnold's?
We've seen other quarterbacks play significantly better on scripted plays. Mitchell Trubisky comes to mind recently. Is Darnold simply significantly better on the plays he practices? Is Gase a great play-caller on scripted plays and bad at adjusting in the game? Is it a fluke based on small sample size?
There were so many games in the second half last season where the game started, we would march down the field, and I would think that THIS would be the game that the offense would break out, and then we would stagnate for the rest of the game.
I also think the OL has a lot to do with it. It's probably easier to scheme away from OL problems early in the game.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2020, 07:11:33 AM
Isn't improvising supposed to be a strength of Darnold's?
Doesn't not dying behind the OL count as improvising
Post by: MBGreen on May 08, 2020, 07:18:10 AM
But that won't stop our mouthbreather HC from sitting on the bench catching butterflies the minute this team gets a taste of adversity.
Post by: MBGreen on May 08, 2020, 01:45:50 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 08, 2020, 01:56:12 PM
- Gase Supporters
Post by: MBGreen on May 08, 2020, 01:59:52 PM
^ FAKE NEWS ^
- Gase Supporters
At this point, i want to be wrong about Gase...because i'm tired of losing and no playoffs. I just haven't seen anything from Gase that says it's gonna change. He's an elite excuse machine.
I'll gladly eat crow if i'm wrong....but i'm confident i won't be.
Post by: Johnny English on May 08, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
At this point, i want to be wrong about Gase...because i'm tired of losing and no playoffs. I just haven't seen anything from Gase that says it's gonna change. He's an elite excuse machine.
I'll gladly eat crow if i'm wrong....but i'm confident i won't be.
I predict he is relieved of his duties after we've lost at home to Miami in the first game post-bye week to fall to 2-9 on the season.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 08, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
I predict he is relieved of his duties after we've lost at home to Miami in the first game post-bye week to fall to 2-9 on the season.
If that were to happen, I’d rather keep him so he can drive us into the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes since Gase would have clearly broken Darnold
Post by: MBGreen on May 08, 2020, 02:16:39 PM
I predict he is relieved of his duties after we've lost at home to Miami in the first game post-bye week to fall to 2-9 on the season.
Usually i scan the schedule and predict how we might do (just like everyone else on the board). Not this time.
If you compare coaching to dancing, Gase is Elaine Benes from Seinfeld.
I'm still trying to figure out how we lost to 2 winless teams that late in the season.
Post by: MBGreen on May 08, 2020, 02:22:28 PM
If that were to happen, I’d rather keep him so he can drive us into the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes since Gase would have clearly broken Darnold
i can't even....
Post by: Johnny English on May 08, 2020, 02:28:29 PM
If that were to happen, I’d rather keep him so he can drive us into the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes since Gase would have clearly broken Darnold
No thanks. We ride with Sam.
Post by: IATA on May 08, 2020, 04:30:40 PM
who gives a excrement?
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2020, 12:45:59 PM
matt patricia and josh mcdaniels were part of multiple super bowl titlesAt the time we hired Gase I would rather have gotten McDaniels.
who gives a excrement?
Post by: Johnny English on May 10, 2020, 12:53:01 PM
At the time we hired Gase I would rather have gotten McDaniels.
Ugh. I think he's a far better coach than Gase, but he's on a level of cuntitude all his own.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 10, 2020, 01:40:25 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2020, 10:01:05 PM
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2020, 07:17:46 PM
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Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 23, 2020, 10:45:49 AM
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-coaching-hot-seat-2020
100% agree
Dude blows
Post by: Libero_2 on May 23, 2020, 10:49:30 AM
100% agree
Dude blows
I agree his seat should be hot, but hottest in the league implies he could be fired early in the season if it doesn’t start well. I just can’t see Gase being fired before the end of the season unless we are something absurd like 0-10.
Post by: IATA on May 26, 2020, 05:56:04 PM
I agree his seat should be hot, but hottest in the league implies he could be fired early in the season if it doesn’t start well. I just can’t see Gase being fired before the end of the season unless we are something absurd like 0-10.
thats because we have bad owners who dont know excrement.
gase should be fired now, blame covid idgaf
Post by: MBGreen on June 16, 2020, 06:53:13 AM
Post by: delavan on June 16, 2020, 10:32:06 AM
Post by: reuben on June 16, 2020, 10:39:17 AM
Replace Gase.
Now that's the phrase right there
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 16, 2020, 10:46:37 AM
the team deficiencies that hampered the offensive side of the ball this year have, at the very least, been upgraded to 'decent/acceptable', and therefore, barring any injures, he'll have a big influence on anything done on that side of the ball
i can see him flaming out fantastically, i can see him winning a bunch of games and surprising everybody. you can honestly never tell how things will go with high functioning autistics
i can also see coronavirus affecting both of those instances, either by being used as an 'excuse' for all of the losses or explaining us 'fluking' a successful season at the misery and health of other teams. if we get decimated by coronavirus and we lose a ton he may yet survive to a 3rd season here
Post by: MBGreen on June 16, 2020, 11:42:58 AM
Gase NEEDS this year for evaluation from us IMO.Evaluate Gase’s history with Peyton and without him, that should provide you everything you need to know.
the team deficiencies that hampered the offensive side of the ball this year have, at the very least, been upgraded to 'decent/acceptable', and therefore, barring any injures, he'll have a big influence on anything done on that side of the ball
i can see him flaming out fantastically, i can see him winning a bunch of games and surprising everybody. you can honestly never tell how things will go with high functioning autistics
i can also see coronavirus affecting both of those instances, either by being used as an 'excuse' for all of the losses or explaining us 'fluking' a successful season at the misery and health of other teams. if we get decimated by coronavirus and we lose a ton he may yet survive to a 3rd season here
Post by: Johnny English on June 16, 2020, 11:48:32 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 16, 2020, 11:57:29 AM
He's also had issues with QB health. He's worked for disastrous front offices.
There's a reason why Miami and New York are bottom feeders. It's not coaching. Their roster development has been god awful for a really long time.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 17, 2020, 08:29:41 AM
Evaluate Gase’s history with Peyton and without him, that should provide you everything you need to know.
EXACTLY. THIS.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 08:45:14 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 17, 2020, 09:15:39 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 09:17:17 AM
Tony Dungy never won excrement without Peyton-he must be a horrible head coach.
His Bucs D won a SB after he jumped ship.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 17, 2020, 09:19:01 AM
His Bucs D won a SB after he jumped ship.
So you mean he left and then they immediately won?
He must really suck.
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 10:36:31 AM
So you mean he left and then they immediately won?
i'm hoping the same happens when Gase is shown the door.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 10:40:28 AM
If not, then we can look elsewhere.
The team overachieved in 2019, in my opinion. Obviously, we can do a lot better offensively, but we still won more games than I expected. We had a shot at the playoffs with a healthy Darnold.
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 10:49:59 AM
I'm just hoping that the team wins under Adam Gase.
If not, then we can look elsewhere.
The team overachieved in 2019, in my opinion. Obviously, we can do a lot better offensively, but we still won more games than I expected. We had a shot at the playoffs with a healthy Darnold.
the team overachieved in 2019 because we had a marshmallow schedule with next to no long-distance travel (we actually lost to teams we should've destroyed and we were one botched call away from being swept by the Phins, a team believed to be tanking). Our schedule is the opposite of that in 2020.
There's nothing about Adam Gase that gives anyone "hope"....his track record stinks. I admire your tenacity, but it's wasted energy.
My hope is that Sam takes the next step and our offense shows some improvement. I think that's realistic given our coaching situation.
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 10:54:20 AM
i'm hoping the same happens when Gase is shown the door.What was that stupid movie with Dane Cook where the women he sleeps with find their soulmate after him?
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 10:58:49 AM
We had a shot at the playoffs with a healthy Darnold.
I keep hearing this from people but I don't see how it's true. Sam missed three games: v Cleveland, @ NE and @ Philly. Let's be generous and say that of those three we'd have beaten Cleveland if Sam had been healthy (although as I recall we spent all night trying to run the ball and got nowhere because we had Abbott and then Costello under center and if we'd had Sam we'd probably have tried to throw more and likely gotten him killed by Garrett). His first game back was week 5 vs Dallas and he lit it up, so it's not like he was still suffering ill effects at that point.
We went 7-9 courtesy of the weakest schedule in the league, we lost to the two other worst teams in the league with Sam under center, and we padded our results with wins in the last two weeks vs a decimated Pittsburgh team and the Bills resting all of their starters.
I don't accept that we a) overachieved or b) would have been better with Sam available weeks 2-4. We did well on scripted drives and otherwise looked clueless on offense regardless of personnel on the field, and hung on in some games courtesy of a well coached defense.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 11:06:19 AM
What was that stupid movie with Dane Cook where the women he sleeps with find their soulmate after him?
Good Luck Chuck
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 11:09:37 AM
I keep hearing this from people but I don't see how it's true. Sam missed three games: v Cleveland, @ NE and @ Philly.
Yes, and it completely derailed the season.
Sam was also apparently sick during Week 1.
You beat Buffalo Week 1 and win one of the three he missed, you build momentum and the outcome of the season is likely different.
If mono never happened, I don't think it's a reach to say we could've gone 9-7 or 10-6.
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 11:10:14 AM
I keep hearing this from people but I don't see how it's true. Sam missed three games: v Cleveland, @ NE and @ Philly. Let's be generous and say that of those three we'd have beaten Cleveland if Sam had been healthy (although as I recall we spent all night trying to run the ball and got nowhere because we had Abbott and then Costello under center and if we'd had Sam we'd probably have tried to throw more and likely gotten him killed by Garrett). His first game back was week 5 vs Dallas and he lit it up, so it's not like he was still suffering ill effects at that point.Nitpicking, but I think you have to count Buffalo week 1 as a mono casualty too. Darnold played but he was clearly not 100%, he didn't just suddenly fall ill that Sunday night.
We went 7-9 courtesy of the weakest schedule in the league, we lost to the two other worst teams in the league with Sam under center, and we padded our results with wins in the last two weeks vs a decimated Pittsburgh team and the Bills resting all of their starters.
I don't accept that we a) overachieved or b) would have been better with Sam available weeks 2-4. We did well on scripted drives and otherwise looked clueless on offense regardless of personnel on the field, and hung on in some games courtesy of a well coached defense.
Edit: F U, H
Post by: Heismanberg on June 17, 2020, 11:10:50 AM
Nitpicking, but I think you have to count Buffalo week 1 as a mono casualty too. Darnold played but he was clearly not 100%, he didn't just suddenly fall ill that Sunday night.
Edit: F U, H
Yeah, they thought he had the flu.
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 11:13:59 AM
I keep hearing this from people but I don't see how it's true. Sam missed three games: v Cleveland, @ NE and @ Philly. Let's be generous and say that of those three we'd have beaten Cleveland if Sam had been healthy (although as I recall we spent all night trying to run the ball and got nowhere because we had Abbott and then Costello under center and if we'd had Sam we'd probably have tried to throw more and likely gotten him killed by Garrett). His first game back was week 5 vs Dallas and he lit it up, so it's not like he was still suffering ill effects at that point.
We went 7-9 courtesy of the weakest schedule in the league, we lost to the two other worst teams in the league with Sam under center, and we padded our results with wins in the last two weeks vs a decimated Pittsburgh team and the Bills resting all of their starters.
I don't accept that we a) overachieved or b) would have been better with Sam available weeks 2-4. We did well on scripted drives and otherwise looked clueless on offense regardless of personnel on the field, and hung on in some games courtesy of a well coached defense.
this is accurate
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 11:21:13 AM
Yes, and it completely derailed the season.
Sam was also apparently sick during Week 1.
You beat Buffalo Week 1 and win one of the three he missed, you build momentum and the outcome of the season is likely different.
If mono never happened, I don't think it's a reach to say we could've gone 9-7 or 10-6.
Nitpicking, but I think you have to count Buffalo week 1 as a mono casualty too. Darnold played but he was clearly not 100%, he didn't just suddenly fall ill that Sunday night.
Edit: F U, H
Maybe, but we were beating them comfortably until Mosley went off and after that we couldn't stop their offense. Sam can't win games from the sideline. I think that putting that defeat down to mono is retconning the game somewhat.
Post by: reuben on June 17, 2020, 11:28:10 AM
Tony Dungy never won excrement without Peyton-he must be a horrible head coach.
One of the most overrated head coaches ever.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 17, 2020, 11:37:05 AM
The Cincinatti loss was inexplicable, even Gase's biggest defenders here will say that.
One of the most overrated head coaches ever.
I don't disagree.
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 11:47:27 AM
Just as a reminder, Miami went 5-11 and beat two playoff teams and a fringe team in the Colts last year. They were bad, but this idea that they were a historically bad team is fiction.
I didn't say they were historically bad, but the first half of the season they were trading everything that wasn't tied down and when we rolled into town with a healthy Sam they were 0-7. We were unprepared and disorganised and incapable of reacting to the team we faced on the day.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 17, 2020, 04:01:36 PM
I'm just hoping that the team wins under Adam Gase.I think considering the schedule, they met expectations. Season over/under was 7.5 wins. They won 7 games despite the Darnold illness throwing a major wrench into the start of the season. That combined with the Buffalo collapse basically killed the season before it could even get started.
If not, then we can look elsewhere.
The team overachieved in 2019, in my opinion. Obviously, we can do a lot better offensively, but we still won more games than I expected. We had a shot at the playoffs with a healthy Darnold.
It's good that they finished the season on a positive note, but year 1 was basically a washout for Gase. This is a huge year for him.
There are tons of excuses that can be made for Gase not having success without Manning. I don't think a single one of his offensive rosters was ever average, and he still has a winning record when his starting quarterbacks are healthy. But at some point, he needs to produce more results.
In reality, Gase's status will be determined almost entirely by Darnold's development.
Post by: delavan on June 17, 2020, 06:28:07 PM
I didn't say they were historically bad, but the first half of the season they were trading everything that wasn't tied down and when we rolled into town with a healthy Sam they were 0-7. We were unprepared and disorganised and incapable of reacting to the team we faced on the day.
Further, the Jets only win against Miami was courtesy of a very questionable PI on a desperate 4th down.
Post by: MBGreen on June 26, 2020, 10:31:01 AM
@RichCimini
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Coming up in a few, Adam Gase will address the media (conference call) for the first time since April 27. #Jets
get your popcorn ready
Post by: Heismanberg on June 26, 2020, 10:35:16 AM
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2020, 10:44:49 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 26, 2020, 10:55:17 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on June 26, 2020, 01:31:01 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1276544415364857857?s=20
Chalk that one up to a 'freaking duh' response
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2020, 01:57:10 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 26, 2020, 02:05:23 PM
I dont think Gase wants Adams on the team.
Gase wants to replace Adams with another over the hill vet....like Brodney Pool
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2020, 02:11:43 PM
Gase wants to replace Adams with another over the hill vet....like Brodney PoolLaRon Landry.....still available.
Post by: reuben on June 26, 2020, 03:08:09 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 26, 2020, 03:09:37 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 26, 2020, 03:15:16 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 26, 2020, 03:16:24 PM
Pete Best: "Yes, I want John Lennon in the band."
LMAO
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2020, 03:33:42 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 26, 2020, 03:45:19 PM
Pete Best: "Yes, I want John Lennon in the band."
*CitizenKaneApplause.gif*
Post by: Johnny English on June 26, 2020, 05:12:12 PM
If he said "no comment" or "Ask Joe" again, you whiners would be bitching non-stop about how he's tearing the team apart.
TBF I'm going to be bitching about that no matter what he says, so....
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 27, 2020, 01:27:37 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 04, 2020, 04:16:50 PM
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The Athletic's Connor Hughes finds it "hard to believe" Adam Gase will get a third year in New York if the Jets finish under .500 this season.
Hughes believes "a healthy Jets team needs to finish, at minimum, 9-7." We would argue health won't be a factor, as even another injury-marred sub-.500 campaign will get Gase sent packing. As Hughes points out, Gase was never afforded a honeymoon period in New York because of the unpopularity of his hiring. Gase also played into the worst aspects of his reputation, feuding with players and displaying little creativity on offense. 2020 has the feel of Gase's last chance to prove himself as an NFL head coach.
9-7 is quite the feat
Darnold would have to have a helluva progression
Post by: Heismanberg on July 04, 2020, 04:32:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 06, 2020, 10:24:22 AM
I don't remember hearing about this?
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it took Darnold marching into Gase’s office for an Xs and Os discussion in the middle of the season to get the Jets rolling on offense
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A second-year quarterback had to be the one to take charge and layout which plays he wanted to run because Gase couldn’t figure out what worked best for his signal-caller and supporting cast.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 06, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/03/bad-news-for-jets-coaching-more-important-than-ever-in-2020-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-gregg-williams/
I don't remember hearing about this?
I do. Apparently Gase was thrilled. He was excited Sam wanted to try and involve himself more in the offensive planning process.
Here I was thinking that Sam was nervous telling his boss how to do his job.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 06, 2020, 10:36:06 AM
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/03/bad-news-for-jets-coaching-more-important-than-ever-in-2020-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-gregg-williams/
I don't remember hearing about this?
This was talked about several times throughout the year.
It's what quarterbacks should do.
Post by: Johnny English on July 06, 2020, 10:37:37 AM
This was talked about several times throughout the year.
It's what quarterbacks should do.
I agree, it was just news to me.
Post by: insanity on July 06, 2020, 10:39:38 AM
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/03/bad-news-for-jets-coaching-more-important-than-ever-in-2020-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-gregg-williams/
I don't remember hearing about this?
This seems quite hyperbolic. Good coaches should adjust to a players strengths and weaknesses, but some things are internal and it's Darnold's responsibility to express a lack of comfortably with certain plays/concepts.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 06, 2020, 10:47:30 AM
Darnold took a step forward as a player and a leader when he did that.
I don't think he was comfortable doing that early in the year because he always had Josh McCown to sort of lean on in those meetings.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 06, 2020, 10:49:26 AM
There's some stuff out there, particularly about his time in Miami, where he was very dismissive of Jarvis Landry when he asked for changes in the offense.
It's cool to see Gase adapt his offense WITH Darnold.
Post by: MBGreen on July 06, 2020, 11:12:52 AM
All the best QBs take control and let their coaches know what they like and do well.
Darnold took a step forward as a player and a leader when he did that.
I don't think he was comfortable doing that early in the year because he always had Josh McCown to sort of lean on in those meetings.
Darnold is lucky Tough Shop didn't slap his face and tell him to "fall in line".
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 06, 2020, 03:45:47 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 14, 2020, 11:25:25 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 14, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1282850511922888709?s=21
You have to go under center more when your offensive line stinks, especially at center
Post by: Johnny English on July 25, 2020, 01:24:56 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 25, 2020, 08:17:44 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1286828579540611081
OL's fault
Post by: Johnny English on July 25, 2020, 08:51:17 AM
OL's fault
Clearly the problem is Loggains, he's just holding Gase back.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 02:39:59 PM
I know that's not "fair" but we had some freak circumstances where we were forced to roll with a 3rd string QB who quite frankly wasn't competent for even that role
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 25, 2020, 03:35:54 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 25, 2020, 05:17:17 PM
Like 28th. We also sucked, we just sucked harder without Darnold.
If Sam misses significant time this year, there’s a legitimate shot we have a bottom 3 offense in the league again and are picking top 5. Now that the defense is undoubtedly weaker, we really need Sam to stay healthy and make big strides forwards
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 07:08:06 PM
If Sam misses significant time this year, there’s a legitimate shot we have a bottom 3 offense in the league again and are picking top 5. Now that the defense is undoubtedly weaker, we really need Sam to stay healthy and make big strides forwardsAnd in that case, Trevor Lawrence might be a Jet.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 07:54:10 PM
And in that case, Trevor Lawrence might be a Jet.
Trevor Lawrence or Trey Lance
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Even if Sam steps up in 2020, I think it'll be tough for us to get more than seven wins.
That would put us in position to grab some weapons like Tamorrion Terry or one of the Alabama receivers.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 07:55:22 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2020, 08:00:32 PM
Trevor Lawrence or Trey Lance
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Even if Sam steps up in 2020, I think it'll be tough for us to get more than seven wins.
That would put us in position to grab some weapons like Tamorrion Terry or one of the Alabama receivers.
While it's extremely unlikely to happen, it would be amazing is Seattle was horrible in 2020. Their division is loaded.
This year is a crapshoot on an unbelievable level.
Good or bad luck with quarantines and guys testing positive (or continuing to test positive) could legitimately make any team make or miss the playoffs.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 08:04:50 PM
While it's extremely unlikely to happen, it would be amazing is Seattle was horrible in 2020. Their division is loaded.That division is loaded, and they have a tricky schedule.
- Week 1: at Atlanta
- Week 2: Patriots
- Week 3: Cowboys
- Week 4: at Miami
- Week 5: Minnesota
- Week 7: at Arizona
- Week 8: 49ers
- Week 9: at Bills
- Week 10: at Rams
- Week 11: Cardinals
- Week 12: at Eagles
The schedule eases up after that (including facing us), but a veteran team like that could potentially implode if they struggle early, especially in a pandemic where some guys might just flat out go home.
It's been a while since we had another team's 1st-round pick entering a season. It will be fun to have a team to root against.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 25, 2020, 08:08:53 PM
Two firsts in 2022
Gonna be fun to watch Joe Douglas put his team together
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 25, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 09:49:21 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2020, 09:55:31 PM
Two firsts and two thirds next year
Two firsts in 2022
Gonna be fun to watch Joe Douglas put his team together
Might as well start selling off assets like the dolphins did
Quinnen Williams up first
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 10:10:58 PM
As soon as we started entertaining trading Jamal, I knew that was the start of talking about replacing Sam. This team is a flat circle.If Sam plays like we all think he can, he will be our long-term quarterback. If he doesn't, then we have decisions to make.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 25, 2020, 10:13:20 PM
https://twitter.com/DLeeMG8/status/1287185784982904839
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 25, 2020, 10:37:25 PM
If Sam plays like we all think he can, he will be our long-term quarterback. If he doesn't, then we have decisions to make.
if we traded sam tomorrow we'd find ways to rationalize the deal. tomorrow
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 25, 2020, 10:49:02 PM
Darron Lee chimes in?
https://twitter.com/DLeeMG8/status/1287185784982904839
LMAO freak him. Woman beating (attempted) piece of excrement.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 26, 2020, 12:16:38 AM
If Sam plays like we all think he can, he will be our long-term quarterback. If he doesn't, then we have decisions to make.
If the Jets are in the position to draft Trevor Lawrence, it's because Sam Darnold either sucked or got severely injured which means you take Lawrence 10 times out of 10.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2020, 12:38:00 AM
If the Jets are in the position to draft Trevor Lawrence, it's because Sam Darnold either sucked or got severely injured which means you take Lawrence 10 times out of 10.
I'd rather do what the Rams did to the Redskins that helped them get to the big dance.
If Darnold struggles/fails its because the pieces around him were excrement. Why bring in another guy with the same pieces of excrement. When you can get 3 +1st and buiid from the trenches
Post by: Libero_2 on July 26, 2020, 01:10:08 AM
I'd rather do what the Rams did to the Redskins that helped them get to the big dance.
If Darnold struggles/fails its because the pieces around him were excrement. Why bring in another guy with the same pieces of excrement. When you can get 3 +1st and buiid from the trenches
Because you can get something for Sam. Lawrence is one of the cleanest prospects to come out in the last 15 years. If we are picking #1, we take Lawrence and send Sam to the highest bidder and use the 3 other first rounders we have in 21 and 22 (not counting any additional capital we net for Sam) to build around Lawrence.
That said it’s much more likely we go 6-10 than 2-14, unless Sam goes down for the year in the first month of the season.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 26, 2020, 01:46:41 AM
One nice thing about the Adams trade is it potentially allows us to invest a lot around the quarterback. Maybe we can get some wide receivers or some more OL or a talented RB with that extra draft capital. That way, when James Morgan enters year 3, we can win with him still on his rookie deal. Or we will have cost-controlled talent around Darnold.
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2020, 07:21:58 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2020, 07:42:45 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 08:29:36 AM
Give him a competent offensive coaching staff.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 26, 2020, 09:15:57 AM
What was Bowles right about? I don't get it.
Supposedly Bowles last text to Darron Lee before he got fired was "watch your back"
LMAO
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 09:21:39 AM
Supposedly Bowles last text to Darron Lee before he got fired was "watch your back"Bowles is a skidmark
LMAO
Post by: IATA on July 26, 2020, 10:08:30 AM
Bowles is a skidmark
(https://media.tenor.com/images/c2f827ef30d58e37c0fd66c120f1b4df/tenor.gif)
Post by: Libero_2 on July 26, 2020, 10:15:20 AM
Supposedly Bowles last text to Darron Lee before he got fired was "watch your back"
LMAO
That's an odd time to point that out Darron, you were traded a year ago, oh and won a ring, so things worked out well for you.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2020, 10:23:15 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 26, 2020, 10:47:20 AM
That's an odd time to point that out Darron, you were traded a year ago, oh and won a ring, so things worked out well for you.
Didn't even have to play for said ring.
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2020, 11:17:17 AM
@AdamSchefter
Giants are signing former Jets’ kicker Chandler Catanzaro to a one-year deal, per league source. He retired last August and was released from the Jets’ reserve/left squad list just last week. With the Giants releasing Aldrick Rosas today, Catanzaro steps in.
nobody wants to play for Gase except Frank Gore.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 12, 2020, 03:26:33 PM
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Jets RB Le'Veon Bell addressed his scrutinized relationship with Adam Gase, telling reporters on a zoom call: "I love Coach Gase. I don't understand the allegations about me and Coach Gase ... I think he's a good leader for us. I think he can get it done." Bell said Gase is "chill," describing him as more analytical than fiery.
hmm
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 04:02:40 PM
hmmTowing the company line
Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2020, 04:09:30 PM
Towing the company line
Chinese hoax.
RIP Herman Cain.
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 04:10:31 PM
Chinese hoax.Don’t make me bump the Smunt thread
RIP Herman Cain.
Post by: Johnny English on August 12, 2020, 04:20:37 PM
Towing the company line
Toeing
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2020, 04:22:37 PM
But you have to think there's a real possibility if not probability that a fucked up season d/t covid could dramatically increase the chances Gase gets another season here
All kinds of excuses are built right in. We traded Jamal, we brought in too many new players who never got to practice, etc etc
Post by: IATA on August 12, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 12, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
ToeingShaddup
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 12, 2020, 05:13:13 PM
hmm
It's going to be really interesting to see during the season (assuming it happens).
Between the story a week or two ago about Gase being impressed with Bell, and now Bell saying that, hopefully they're on the same page and Gase uses him well.
I still don't think Gase is the right guy, but I'd love to see him prove me wrong.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 12, 2020, 05:22:09 PM
Gonna open a can of worms hereThere are a ton of excuses this year, but if the offense doesn't take a step forward, you cant bring him back.
But you have to think there's a real possibility if not probability that a fucked up season d/t covid could dramatically increase the chances Gase gets another season here
All kinds of excuses are built right in. We traded Jamal, we brought in too many new players who never got to practice, etc etc
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2020, 05:25:29 PM
There are a ton of excuses this year, but if the offense doesn't take a step forward, you cant bring him back.
If basically any of our top 6 or 7 offensive players miss any time with COVID you have a very solid excuse for him. Not to mention basically having an entirely new OL that could never practice together
I'm not saying I want Gase to get a mulligan if he can't deliver this year
But I think the stars are aligning that he has a better than 50/50 shot at getting another year, and I'd put those odds at as close as you can get to certain without being certain if COVID has a bigger impact on us than it's already impacted (canceled games, wonky schedule, key players etc)
Post by: Johnny English on August 12, 2020, 05:25:38 PM
There are a ton of excuses this year, but if the offense doesn't take a step forward, you cant bring him back.How soon can I restart the Gary Kubiak fan club?
Post by: Libero_2 on August 12, 2020, 05:43:59 PM
How soon can I restart the Gary Kubiak fan club?
Right after the Harbaugh and Bienemy camps are setup
Post by: Johnny English on August 12, 2020, 05:45:17 PM
Right after the Harbaugh and Bienemy camps are setupI'm off Crazy Jim after the last couple of seasons and I was never into Bieniemy. Don't want another rookie.
Kubes is the guy.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2020, 05:58:02 PM
I'm off Crazy Jim after the last couple of seasons and I was never into Bieniemy. Don't want another rookie.
Kubes is the guy.
Correct me if I'm wrong,
But isn't Kubiak a run first dude?
I don't doubt he can run an effective offense, I just don't see him as the dude to develop Darnold into what we want
Post by: Heismanberg on August 12, 2020, 06:11:12 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong
You're wrong
Post by: Heismanberg on August 12, 2020, 06:11:56 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 12, 2020, 06:13:31 PM
Gase's future is tied to how Darnold does. The next two years are all about what is best for Sam Darnold's development. They hired Adam Gase because they thought he was a good offensive mind. Keeping Darnold in the same system is a positive. If two years in the system, he is still a below average quarterback, then Gase probably hasn't done his job.
I'm sure Douglas and ownership are aware that the fanbase is very down on Gase, so if their opinions changed significantly on him, nobody would have batted an eye if they fired him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 12, 2020, 06:19:55 PM
I'd take Lincoln Riley or PJ Fleck over Eric BieniemyRyan Day and Matt Campbell are interesting, too.
And if we want to combine college coaches AND health issues, we could go the Urban Meyer route (note: I don't want that).
Post by: Heismanberg on August 12, 2020, 06:21:13 PM
Ryan Day and Matt Campbell are interesting, too.
And if we want to combine college coaches AND health issues, we could go the Urban Meyer route (note: I don't want that).
Ryan Day is awesome.
He just looks like a ventriloquist's dummy and I don't want to see that on the sidelines every Sunday.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 12, 2020, 07:11:17 PM
Ryan Day is awesome.
He just looks like a ventriloquist's dummy and I don't want to see that on the sidelines every Sunday.
Now I cannot unsee this.
Post by: Johnny English on August 12, 2020, 07:16:12 PM
Ryan Day is awesome.
He just looks like a ventriloquist's dummy and I don't want to see that on the sidelines every Sunday.
He has a great resume, but still feels a bit boom or bust. Definitely wouldn't be too upset if we took the gamble though.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2020, 10:39:34 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 12, 2020, 10:49:51 PM
https://twitter.com/rotohack/status/1293570197098381312?s=21If the offense is better, I think it will be faster paced. Hard to be fast-paced when the offense is consistently in bad situations. 16th last year isn't bad.
Plus, you only really want more plays if your team is really good. That wasn't us.
Post by: delavan on August 13, 2020, 04:02:41 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 13, 2020, 06:51:25 AM
If the offense is better, I think it will be faster paced. Hard to be fast-paced when the offense is consistently in bad situations. 16th last year isn't bad.
Plus, you only really want more plays if your team is really good. That wasn't us.
16th is even more impressive when you factor in the QB situation
Post by: MBGreen on August 13, 2020, 07:06:46 AM
ShitFleck
Day
Bieniemy
Campbell
I'll take any one of them. Just get rid of Gase.
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2020, 07:46:00 AM
https://twitter.com/rotohack/status/1293570197098381312?s=21I don't understand why 2019 is such an anomaly in the right direction.
Post by: MBGreen on August 13, 2020, 08:12:44 AM
I don't understand why 2019 is such an anomaly in the right direction.
because the latter half of the 2019 jets schedule was soft baby poop.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 13, 2020, 12:05:14 PM
Riley
ShitFleck
Day
Bieniemy
Campbell
I'll take any one of them. Just get rid of Gase.
This
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 13, 2020, 12:12:06 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 13, 2020, 12:30:57 PM
Name one current head coach in the NFL you would take Gase over...
Would or wouldn't?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 13, 2020, 12:33:01 PM
Matt Patricia
Zac Taylor
Vic Fangio
Matt Lafleur
Mike McCarthy
Dan Quinn
Matt Nagy
Doug Marrone
Joe Judge
These are the guys I wouldn't take over Adam Gase.
Stefanski and Rhule are both toss ups too.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 13, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
Bill O'Brien
Matt Patricia
Zac Taylor
Vic Fangio
Matt Lafleur
Mike McCarthy
Dan Quinn
Matt Nagy
Doug Marrone
Joe Judge
These are the guys I wouldn't take over Adam Gase.
Stefanski and Rhule are both toss ups too.
This list reminds me that there are some really excrement coaches in this league. The only one on your list I disagree with is Lafluer and that’s really because he just won 13 games, and frankly that was a mirage and expect it to fall apart in the next 24 months.
Post by: insanity on August 13, 2020, 05:45:39 PM
This list reminds me that there are some really excrement coaches in this league. The only one on your list I disagree with is Lafluer and that’s really because he just won 13 games, and frankly that was a mirage and expect it to fall apart in the next 24 months.Wtf the packers won 13 games last season?!?! Judging by the media you would think they were a .500 team
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 13, 2020, 06:02:05 PM
Bill O'Brien
Matt Patricia
Zac Taylor
Vic Fangio
Matt Lafleur
Mike McCarthy
Dan Quinn
Matt Nagy
Doug Marrone
Joe Judge
These are the guys I wouldn't take over Adam Gase.
Stefanski and Rhule are both toss ups too.
So Gase is in the bottom third...but at the top of the list.
Looking at that list, there are a whole bunch of shitty derriere coaches.
Post by: Libero_2 on August 13, 2020, 07:39:28 PM
So Gase is in the bottom third...but at the top of the list.
Looking at that list, there are a whole bunch of shitty derriere coaches.
I think that’s important to remember, fans get so focused on their own squad they develop tunnel vision around their franchise.
While our coaching situation isn’t good, it’s not like I’d be game to fire Gase tomorrow to bring in any of those guys. I want Gase out because I think he’s not the answer and as such bringing in someone else is the right way to go, but I’m not exactly lining up to take any of those guys
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2020, 08:25:47 PM
I think that’s important to remember, fans get so focused on their own squad they develop tunnel vision around their franchise.
While our coaching situation isn’t good, it’s not like I’d be game to fire Gase tomorrow to bring in any of those guys. I want Gase out because I think he’s not the answer and as such bringing in someone else is the right way to go, but I’m not exactly lining up to take any of those guys
The only one from that list that I think is definitively as bad as a head coach as Gase is Patricia. I wouldn't be super excited about the rest of them, but all would represent either an improvement on Gase or the potential to be so.
Also, I don't want to hear people complaining about Matt Nagy and in the next breath talking about how Bieniemy is such a good option. Coaching trees are massively overrated tools for judging potential IMO.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 22, 2020, 11:38:20 AM
lmao
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 22, 2020, 11:58:57 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 22, 2020, 12:05:18 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 22, 2020, 01:17:42 PM
I enjoy Gase's personality. Now we need results.How about injuries instead?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 22, 2020, 01:45:43 PM
https://twitter.com/takeflightunitd/status/1296714214304882689?s=20
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 23, 2020, 11:57:41 AM
https://twitter.com/takeflightunitd/status/1296713799370788865?s=20
https://twitter.com/takeflightunitd/status/1296714214304882689?s=20
This is good stuff
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 02, 2020, 08:24:20 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 02, 2020, 08:43:40 AM
https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1300968825333129217?s=21
"We're starting to get healthy..."?
Does this clown know the team has 23 names on the injury report?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 02, 2020, 08:46:53 AM
Does this clown know the team has 23 names on the injury report?
What if I told you over half of those guys are still practicing?
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 02, 2020, 08:47:32 AM
What if I told you over half of those guys are still practicing?
Several are also back today.
Cager and Mims are both doing positional drills.
Post by: delavan on September 02, 2020, 07:58:40 PM
Several are also back today.
Cager and Mims are both doing positional drills.
Scary to think that the batch of WRs are so thin that a 59th pick and an UDFA are needed right off the bat (esp. Mims).
Post by: Heismanberg on September 03, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
#oh
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 07, 2020, 03:57:07 PM
Since the season is merely days away, I had a fleeting moment of optimism and thought what if Gase wasn't an unmitigated disaster?
So to all the Gase haters...tell me the type of season we'd have to have in order for you to give Gase another season?
Post by: Johnny English on September 07, 2020, 04:10:28 PM
Since the season is merely days away, I had a fleeting moment of optimism and thought what if Gase wasn't an unmitigated disaster?
So to all the Gase haters...tell me the type of season we'd have to have in order for you to give Gase another season?
Make the playoffs, Darnold to take a big step forward and look like a franchise QB, offense and playcalling demonstrates a consistent ability to adjust to beat what the defense is showing us.
As I have said many times before, I don't believe that Gase has the ability to read a game as it's happening. I think he has an ability to draw up plays that work well on the training field, but if he can't recognise why and where we're getting beat on the field, he can't call the plays to fix it. Unless he proves me wrong on that this season then I'm remaining firmly out on him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 07, 2020, 04:25:24 PM
This is a huge season for Sam Darnold. He needs to take a step forward this year. If Darnold takes a big step forward, then Gase is most likely back, unless things went horribly wrong elsewhere. If Darnold is healthy and doesn't take a big step forward, then it's very difficult to see Gase returning.
If we're heading into the offseason, and Darnold is looking like a guy on the verge of making a Pro Bowl in his 4th year, and we're all on board with resigning him, Gase is back unless the rest of the team has a mutiny.
Post by: Badger on September 07, 2020, 06:24:35 PM
Since the season is merely days away, I had a fleeting moment of optimism and thought what if Gase wasn't an unmitigated disaster?
So to all the Gase haters...tell me the type of season we'd have to have in order for you to give Gase another season?
Top 12 offense
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 07, 2020, 07:51:14 PM
Top 12 offense
He's as good as gone
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 10, 2020, 12:19:14 PM
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1304086686750699520
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 10, 2020, 01:08:10 PM
I like this from Gase. Admitting the offense was atrocious last year.
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1304086686750699520
I actually can appreciate this too. Nobody wants to hear you downplay it. Admit that it was trash and work on how to improve.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 09:07:43 AM
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A total of 42 players were listed w/ hamstring related injuries on Wk1 injury reports
CB’s and WR’s make up almost 43% of the reported hamstring injuries
The high volume of soft tissue injuries seen in week 1 can be largely attributed to the lack of preseason & shortened camp
Gase loves his hammys
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 09:45:39 AM
Tanny:
Gase loves his hammys
GaseEyelasershamstrings.jpg
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 03:53:56 PM
"It felt completely different" than last year.”
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 03:53:59 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 03:56:19 PM
“Adam Gase says today's offensive flop was "night and day" compared to last year's issues.
"It felt completely different" than last year.”
lolwut
The only difference is that it's less easy to excuse the abject failure of his specialist unit because of line play.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2020, 04:03:26 PM
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2020, 04:06:56 PM
Gase needs to go, which has been my opinion since he has been hired.Pretty much this, I didn't want him in the first place and he hasn't done enough to change my mind on that. From Geno to Gase, same energy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 04:07:08 PM
2nd and 10 runs
3rd and long screens (down 21-0)
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 04:07:51 PM
Pretty much this, I didn't want him in the first place and he hasn't done enough to change my mind on that. From Geno to Gase, same energy.
You'll have to be more specific with SBTG once Gase is fired.
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2020, 04:08:31 PM
You'll have to be more specific with SBTG once Gase is fired.I refuse to be more specific.
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 04:10:15 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 04:10:16 PM
I refuse to be more specific.SBTGeggggggggggg
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 04:10:34 PM
I can not deal with:The 2nd and 10 runs drive me nuts. The 3rd and long screens are fine in moderation, but we use them way too much. It did lead to our one exciting play (the Crowder TD), but that was about it.
2nd and 10 runs
3rd and long screens (down 21-0)
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 04:11:05 PM
Let's never, ever hire anyone ever again who has a name beginning with G.So no Gegg or Gainz as the interim coach
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 04:12:48 PM
So no Gegg or Gainz as the interim coachGelichick
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2020, 04:13:22 PM
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 04:14:27 PM
I'm convinced that we'll cut Bell and he'll have a "resurgent" season.
how could he not have a resurgent season after his last 2? he'd have to just retire to do any less
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 04:14:39 PM
I'm convinced that we'll cut Bell and he'll have a "resurgent" season.
I don't even care. He's a good guy, let him go win somewhere.
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2020, 04:18:42 PM
Let's never, ever hire anyone ever again who has a name beginning with G.Trevor Lawrence and Eric Bienemy have zero Gs in their names
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 04:25:22 PM
So no Gegg or Gainz as the interim coach
I'm entirely fine with that.
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 04:27:19 PM
Trevor Lawrence and Eric Bienemy have zero Gs in their names
I don't want Lawrence because it means we've failed Sam and because I hate his girly hair and his stupid horse face.
I don't want Bienemy because I don't trust coaching trees and that's basically the argument for hiring him, but I'd not be terribly upset if we did.
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 04:27:23 PM
@MMehtaNYDN
·
24s
Adam Gase on offensive struggles today vs struggles last year:
"It's completely different. This year it was… we either had a guy open & we missed him. We had a guy open, we dropped it. We had a couple miscues in the run game."
He takes no accountability.
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 04:27:39 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 04:30:59 PM
Manish MehtaIt felt the same as a fan, but last year, I felt Darnold didn't have a chance half the time with the OL. Today, I thought he had some chances and missed throws (and the receivers didn't help).
@MMehtaNYDN
·
24s
Adam Gase on offensive struggles today vs struggles last year:
"It's completely different. This year it was… we either had a guy open & we missed him. We had a guy open, we dropped it. We had a couple miscues in the run game."
He takes no accountability.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 04:34:55 PM
It felt the same as a fan, but last year, I felt Darnold didn't have a chance half the time with the OL. Today, I thought he had some chances and missed throws (and the receivers didn't help).Maybe the surprise of having an extra 1/2 second was too much for him to handle.
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 04:36:35 PM
Post by: Laxin on September 13, 2020, 04:45:27 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 04:51:01 PM
Idk I felt like he was flushed from the pocket on at least half of his throws, and the the other half the pocket damn near collapsed around him. The juxtaposition between Allen vs Darnold’s time in the pocket was really freaking apparent.
This was glaring. Obviously the Bills have an upper tier OL and we have a bottom tier OL, but Allen had all day to throw and plenty of space. The blocking on their screens was several degrees better than ours.
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 04:57:14 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 13, 2020, 05:10:49 PM
it felt at times like they knew exactly what we were gonna do and to stack that side
Considering we as fans can predict the play half the time, I imagine professional DCs can as well. Add in the fact our talent is just bad and even when we execute we just can’t win often enough that the other team needs to worry
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 05:17:26 PM
But hey, let's not let him hire his own OC.
rollingeyesonmyface.bmp
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on September 13, 2020, 05:19:22 PM
Matt Rhule's Panthers put up 30 pts in his NFL debut (albeit a loss, but at least they were in it until the end) with Teddy freaking Bridgewater as his starter.
But hey, let's not let him hire his own OC.
rollingeyesonmyface.bmp
Yikes.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 05:21:47 PM
Matt Rhule's Panthers put up 30 pts in his NFL debut (albeit a loss, but at least they were in it until the end) with Teddy freaking Bridgewater as his starter.The Panthers are better at literally every single offensive group than the Jets, and they lost at home to the Raiders, a team we throttled last year. Robby Anderson is their 3rd or 4th option. He's been our #1 option for years.
But hey, let's not let him hire his own OC.
rollingeyesonmyface.bmp
I would rather have Matt Rhule/Joe Brady than Adam Gase/Dowell Loggains, but Rhule has done absolutely nothing yet. And Rhule wasn't hiring Joe Brady last year.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 13, 2020, 05:23:23 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 05:25:44 PM
The Panthers are better at literally every single offensive group than the Jets, and they lost at home to the Raiders, a team we throttled last year. Robby Anderson is their 3rd or 4th option. He's been our #1 option for years.
I would rather have Matt Rhule/Joe Brady than Adam Gase/Dowell Loggains, but Rhule has done absolutely nothing yet. And Rhule wasn't hiring Joe Brady last year.
You're missing the point. Rhule can formulate a game plan with a below average QB and put up points while Gase scratches his nuts on the sideline.
Post by: IATA on September 13, 2020, 05:26:51 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 05:26:58 PM
You're missing the point. Rhule can formulate a game plan with a below average QB and put up points while Gase scratches his nuts on the sideline.https://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=401127924
I'm glad the offense with Christian McCaffrey, D.J. Moore and Robby Anderson almost scored as many points against the Raiders as the offense with Robby Anderson, Braxton Berrios and Vyncint Smith did last year.
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 05:28:31 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=401127924
The Jets play Las Vegas later in the year.....let's compare apples to apples.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 05:29:24 PM
The Jets play Las Vegas later in the year.....let's compare apples to apples.Okay, if we're comparing apples to apples, we probably shouldn't compare the Jets skill position players to the Panthers skill position players, but you do you.
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 05:29:31 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/game?gameId=401127924
I'm glad the offense with Christian McCaffrey, D.J. Moore and Robby Anderson almost scored as many points against the Raiders as the offense with Robby Anderson, Braxton Berrios and Vyncint Smith did last year.
You're right...let's take pity on Gase and give him a 5 yr extension for having to trot out garbage players that he hand picked. freak outta here.
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 05:30:55 PM
Okay, if we're comparing apples to apples, we probably shouldn't compare the Jets skill position players to the Panthers skill position players, but you do you.
you talk like our WRs have never played the game before. Weren't you sucking Perriman's dick earlier in the year?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 05:36:52 PM
you talk like our WRs have never played the game before. Weren't you sucking Perriman's dick earlier in the year?I mean, I've argued in threads for a while that I wanted to get more skill players around Darnold than we did, but continue to argue against someone that doesn't exist. Please show me one person who ever wanted to extend Gase.
I did like the Perriman signing. At the time, he was the best available WR. I still feel that way. I would have brought back Anderson over Perriman for continuity reasons, but they're similar receivers.
Perriman always had a wider range of outcomes than Anderson. Perriman could be a 1,000-yard receiver. Or he could battle injuries all year and disappoint. Anderson is what he is IMO, but that's still useful.
I wanted to draft two receivers in the first 3-4 rounds. I'm still annoyed we didn't. The Bills were playing a guy at WR today that we took James Morgan over.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 13, 2020, 05:37:31 PM
I love how all the Gase supporters are non existent after that embarrassing performance.
But who was supporting Gase?
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2020, 05:38:05 PM
But who was supporting Gase?Wyatt
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 05:40:15 PM
I mean, I've argued in threads for a while that I wanted to get more skill players around Darnold than we did, but continue to argue against someone that doesn't exist. Please show me one person who ever wanted to extend Gase.
I did like the Perriman signing. At the time, he was the best available WR. I still feel that way. I would have brought back Anderson over Perriman for continuity reasons, but they're similar receivers.
Perriman always had a wider range of outcomes than Anderson. Perriman could be a 1,000-yard receiver. Or he could battle injuries all year and disappoint. Anderson is what he is IMO, but that's still useful.
I wanted to draft two receivers in the first 3-4 rounds. I'm still annoyed we didn't. The Bills were playing a guy at WR today that we took James Morgan over.
Anderson would've been on the side of a milk carton if he were playing for the Jets today.
There is talent on this team, the issue is the guy calling the plays doesn't know what the freak he's doing.
EDIT: FTR...i agree with you in regards to drafting WRs. But i'll say this....would it have mattered with this coaching regime? I have absolutely zero faith in Gase.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 13, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 05:47:57 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 13, 2020, 05:48:08 PM
Matt Rhule greatly fucked over any chance at coming back with poor game management on their last drive.Yes, but losing at home to the Raiders clearly makes him a great coach.
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 05:51:07 PM
Matt Rhule greatly fucked over any chance at coming back with poor game management on their last drive.
At least he and his team showed up. Gase looked at his playcalling sheet like it was a rubix cube.
Yes, but losing at home to the Raiders clearly makes him a great coach.
I'll take Rhule over Gase any day of the week. Hell, i'm starting to miss Rex for christ sakes.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 13, 2020, 05:53:35 PM
At least he and his team showed up. Gase looked at his playcalling sheet like it was a rubix cube.
I'll take Rhule over Gase any day of the week. Hell, i'm starting to miss Rex for christ sakes.
At least Rex played with Bravado and instilled some confidence in us.
I haven't been confident about a football game in a long time.
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 05:54:46 PM
At least Rex played with Bravado and instilled some confidence in us.
I haven't been confident about a football game in a long time.
This will be the 10th year without playoffs. Christopher and Woody Johnson should both drink bleach.
Post by: delavan on September 13, 2020, 05:55:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 05:59:41 PM
Matt Rhule greatly fucked over any chance at coming back with poor game management on their last drive.
Matt Rhule scored more than 1 touchdown today
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 05:59:43 PM
The Jets last year lost to a pair of winless teams (MIA & Cin) and their 6-2 weak schedule finish was misleading. They were gifted a win vs. MIA on a very questionable PI call on 4th down while Buffalo sat their starters. That very well could've been a 4-4 finish and a 5-11 record. And after today (and this schedule) 7-9? Doubt it.
I was told by Italian Seafood that 6-2 run was why Gase should be retained and given another chance with better players.
Another bad decision.
Post by: MBGreen on September 13, 2020, 06:00:23 PM
Matt Rhule scored more than 1 touchdown today
Clearly not qualified to pick his own staff.
Post by: Johnny English on September 13, 2020, 08:57:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 09:41:19 PM
freak this guy.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2020, 09:54:38 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 10:10:04 PM
This game was terrible. I don’t care if he gets blamed for excrement that isn’t his fault. freak him.
Todd Bowles and Rex Ryan got this treatment, so Gase can bask in it.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on September 14, 2020, 04:50:35 AM
This game was terrible. I don’t care if he gets blamed for excrement that isn’t his fault. freak him.
I remember the bolded to annoy me greatly last season, but somehow I don't care anymore. Indeed, freak him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 08:21:04 AM
I can not deal with:
2nd and 10 runs
3rd and long screens (down 21-0 To play for a FG)
How did I forget the freaking penalties
Post by: Laxin on September 14, 2020, 08:58:30 AM
How did I forget the freaking penalties
Just want to say that DPI call vs John Brown was absolute excrement.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 09:12:56 AM
How did I forget the freaking penalties
Bowles’ secret return.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 09:15:06 AM
Dad missed Thanksgiving for this?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 09:48:12 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 09:51:27 AM
https://twitter.com/gregarmstrong_/status/1305508843707863041?s=21
Dad missed Thanksgiving for this?
Point of note: it's not a screen pass if there's no freaking screen. One out of position and outnumbered blocker does not a screen make. No one is making the slightest bit of effort to swing outside. That's literally just a terrible play call that should have been changed at the LOS as soon as Sam saw that there was no chance of it succeeding.
One of three things is happening here:
- Sam isn't reading the defense correctly and doesn't realise it's not going to work
- Sam is reading the defense correctly but has been instructed to run the play he's given and not given the authority to audible
- Sam is reading the defense correctly and is allowed to audible but decides to run the play anyway because he hates Perriman, Gase and everything about his life right now
None of those options are good.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 09:55:50 AM
The lack of 2 TE sets was puzzling too. We have two capable tight ends in Herndon and Griffin and he rarely used them.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 09:59:19 AM
Point of note: it's not a screen pass if there's no freaking screen. One out of position and outnumbered blocker does not a screen make. No one is making the slightest bit of effort to swing outside. That's literally just a terrible play call that should have been changed at the LOS as soon as Sam saw that there was no chance of it succeeding.
It's a smoke screen. You're only gonna have one blocker out there usually, but that one blocker in this case did an awful job. Even if Herndon washed that guy out, Perriman like only gets 2 or 3 yards there. It was a bad call no matter how you look at it.
I hate wide receiver screens, especially on third downs. Gase seems to think screens boost a QB's confidence, but really, they just speed up their mental clock. Sam is rushing a lot of his screens too. The quick tunnels to Crowder, especially.
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One of three things is happening here:
- Sam isn't reading the defense correctly and doesn't realise it's not going to work
- Sam is reading the defense correctly but has been instructed to run the play he's given and not given the authority to audible
- Sam is reading the defense correctly and is allowed to audible but decides to run the play anyway because he hates Perriman, Gase and everything about his life right now
I think it's a mix of one and two. Darnold didn't make many checks at all at the line (he checked to that Hogan screen, which was an awful decision) early in the game and seemed to just go with the flow after that.
From everything I'm seeing, I don't think Darnold has a good grasp of the offense and he is definitely struggling to read coverage. He is feeling pressure when it's not there too, which is a huge concern. He already had bad feet as it is.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 09:59:28 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 10:01:16 AM
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1305517969561325568?s=21
That isn't designed. Darnold called that at the line.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 10:04:03 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:12:38 PM
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Gase says, based on Buffalo defenses, there are no calls he regrets. #jets
Cimini (https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1305569149792456704?s=21)
Seriously?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 01:14:50 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 01:15:18 PM
Cimini (https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1305569149792456704?s=21)
Seriously?
#NoAccountabilitySZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
No timeline for Bell or Cashman
Most defensive issues were tackling, not mental mistakes
“I just have to get [Darnold] in rhythm earlier in the game.”
Post by: mj2sexay on September 14, 2020, 01:19:59 PM
Other presser highlights:
Most defensive issues were tackling, not mental mistakes
Well, at least he's not wrong on this.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 01:20:59 PM
Other presser highlights:
No timeline for Bell or Cashman
Most defensive issues were tackling, not mental mistakes
“I just have to get [Darnold] in rhythm earlier in the game.”
I agree with the defensive issues for the most part. Obviously, we lack a pass rush but we missed Allen on several shots in the backfield that led to big plays or first down conversions.
Maye hinted at the same issues. They knew what was going on, but because he extended plays with his legs, the coverage broke down. Only so much you can do at that point...
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With the rhythm thing stuff...yikes. I guess we're going to see even more screens against SF.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
I agree with the defensive issues for the most part. Obviously, we lack a pass rush but we missed Allen on several shots in the backfield that led to big plays or first down conversions.
Maye hinted at the same issues. They knew what was going on, but because he extended plays with his legs, the coverage broke down. Only so much you can do at that point...
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With the rhythm thing stuff...yikes. I guess we're going to see even more screens against SF.
I said it jokingly yesterday but everyone looked like Leonard Williams yesterday. Got in the backfield and flushed Allen but couldn’t seem to bring him down.
I’m guessing either screens or Gase over-commits to the run early to try and take pressure off of Darnold and then completely abandons it for the reset of the game.
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 01:25:48 PM
I agree with the defensive issues for the most part. Obviously, we lack a pass rush but we missed Allen on several shots in the backfield that led to big plays or first down conversions.
Maye hinted at the same issues. They knew what was going on, but because he extended plays with his legs, the coverage broke down. Only so much you can do at that point...
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With the rhythm thing stuff...yikes. I guess we're going to see even more screens against SF.
the other Bosa i cant name is going to kill at least 3 of our players Sunday.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 01:26:29 PM
Joey Bosa is going to kill at least 3 of our players Sunday.
We're playing Nick Bosa. He will only look to kill the libs.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
We're playing Nick Bosa. He will only look to kill the libs.Darnold's from the OC, so we're probably safe.
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 01:27:18 PM
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 01:28:01 PM
Darnold's from the OC, so we're probably safe.
i hope hes wearing a mask when he picks up his dirty skanks from the clubs
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2020, 01:28:21 PM
They don't have a QBs coach. While Gase is busy wondering why none of his playcalls work and Loggains is busy doing whatever-the-freak it is he does all game, no one is coaching up Sam and fixing his mistakes in-game.
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 01:29:24 PM
It was brought up on Twitter and something I never even think about, but it's likely critical to the future of this team.
They don't have a QBs coach. While Gase is busy wondering why none of his playcalls work and Loggains is busy doing whatever-the-freak it is he does all game, no one is coaching up Sam and fixing his mistakes in-game.
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
Coots or "Dirty Tricks" Hines Ward
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 01:29:35 PM
It was brought up on Twitter and something I never even think about, but it's likely critical to the future of this team.
They don't have a QBs coach. While Gase is busy wondering why none of his playcalls work and Loggains is busy doing whatever-the-freak it is he does all game, no one is coaching up Sam and fixing his mistakes in-game.
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
We could just load up madden 96 and run all of the plays john madden suggests and work out better.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:29:47 PM
ya i realized that after i posted and couldnt remember his name
The first name may have been inaccurate, the body count is likely on point.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:30:57 PM
It was brought up on Twitter and something I never even think about, but it's likely critical to the future of this team.
They don't have a QBs coach. While Gase is busy wondering why none of his playcalls work and Loggains is busy doing whatever-the-freak it is he does all game, no one is coaching up Sam and fixing his mistakes in-game.
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
I thought this was supposed to be Flacco’s role.
The mentor backup scheme needs to go.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 01:31:18 PM
It was brought up on Twitter and something I never even think about, but it's likely critical to the future of this team.
They don't have a QBs coach. While Gase is busy wondering why none of his playcalls work and Loggains is busy doing whatever-the-freak it is he does all game, no one is coaching up Sam and fixing his mistakes in-game.
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
Loggains is the QB coach. And while NYJ fans seem to think all he's doing is throwing the challenge flag, he's usually near Sam on the sidelines if you look closely.
Just because he isn't a good coach doesn't mean he's not coaching.
I hate this kind of speculation. It's useless.
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 01:32:32 PM
I thought this was supposed to be Flacco’s role.
The mentor backup scheme needs to go.
"I got so many things to worry about, I'm trying to go out there and play good football. ... I'm not worried about developing guys or any of that. That is what it is. I hope he does develop. I don't look at that as my job. My job is to go win football games for this football team."
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 01:32:52 PM
Loggains is the QB coach. And while NYJ fans seem to think all he's doing is throwing the challenge flag, he's usually near Sam on the sidelines if you look closely.
Just because he isn't a good coach doesn't mean he's not coaching.
I hate this kind of speculation. It's useless.
Loggains has one of the worst track records in the league. Great hire for our franchise QB.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 01:33:56 PM
Loggains has one of the worst track records in the league. Great hire for our franchise QB.
Where did I say it was a good hire?
He clearly isn't very good. But for morons on Twitter to say we don't have a QB coach...? That's ridiculous.
Post by: IATA on September 14, 2020, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 01:34:45 PM
People really think that and they need to shut the hell up.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 01:37:46 PM
Where did I say it was a good hire?
He clearly isn't very good. But for morons on Twitter to say we don't have a QB coach...? That's ridiculous.
I never said you did. I was merely stating a fact #sarcasm
I'm convinced he fucked up Sam's footwork.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 01:38:10 PM
Adam Gase is ruining the one thing Maccagnan did right with this team. And unfortunately, firing him in-season won't do any good. Who are you going to promote to OC?
Jim Bob Cooter, the man the Jets got fired from Detroit after he forgot to change his signals.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 01:39:41 PM
I'm convinced he fucked up Sam's footwork.
This is purely speculation, which is fine because it's all fans can do. But it's really unfounded.
What's factual is that Gase and Loggains haven't done anything to make Sam Darnold any better.
I really think it's hilarious that there are people claiming Jeremy Bates fixed things. He told him to put two hands on the football. That's it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:40:16 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 01:40:50 PM
This is purely speculation, which is fine because it's all fans can do. But it's really unfounded.
What's factual is that Gase and Loggains haven't done anything to make Sam Darnold any better.
I really think it's hilarious that there are people claiming Jeremy Bates fixed things. He told him to put two hands on the football. That's it.
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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7m
Darnold says, "I need to be better with my footwork." Give him credit; he shows accountability. #Jets
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
This is purely speculation, which is fine because it's all fans can do. But it's really unfounded.
What's factual is that Gase and Loggains haven't done anything to make Sam Darnold any better.
I really think it's hilarious that there are people claiming Jeremy Bates fixed things. He told him to put two hands on the football. That's it.
I don't understand how it took until Jeremy Bates for Darnold to get that.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 01:42:25 PM
Clearly, that didn't help much either.
Just because you saw a 10 second clip of Dowell Loggains doing a footwork drill with Sam Darnold doesn't mean he screwed up his footwork that was horrible when he was coming into the league.
His footwork isn't bad because of coaching. It's because he can't handle pressure. He's throwing off-balance when he doesn't need to.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 01:42:46 PM
I don't understand how it took until Jeremy Bates for Darnold to get that.
Clay Helton makes Adam Gase look like Bill Walsh.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 01:53:44 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:54:14 PM
Vegas currently has Gase as third favourite to be the first coach fired this season, behind Patricia and Marrone.
We'll probably hire Patricia.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 01:56:36 PM
We'll probably hire Patricia.
Don't even. Literally the only coach in the NFL I like less than Gase.
If we continue in the same vein as we have started, my guess is that the Dolphins in week 10 are the final nail in his career. We have our bye week 11 so they'd have two weeks to get things straightened out, and 10 games in to a bad season you pretty much know that you're out of contention.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:59:03 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 02:00:52 PM
I’m going to keep pounding the David Shaw drum, knowing that it is probably a bad call.
His time has come and gone. Same with Matt Campbell.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 02:01:54 PM
His time has come and gone. Same with Matt Campbell.
There’s really no incentive for him to leave, either.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 14, 2020, 02:10:44 PM
Jim Harbaugh wasn’t coming here. John wasn’t leaving Baltimore despite rampant speculation. McCarthy is freaking trash. The jury is out on Rhule, who as previously mentioned, severely handicapped his teams chances of staging a comeback with game management out of the school of Herman Edwards.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
His time has come and gone. Same with Matt Campbell.
Wish List (random order)
-Robert Saleh
-Lincoln Riley
-Eric Bienemy
-Matt Eberflus
Who we'll probably end up with list
-Matt Patricia
-Marvin Lewis
-Mike Tice
-Jim Schwartz
-Rob Ryan
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 02:14:21 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 02:14:48 PM
I think the Jets’ ability to scout potential head coaches is not up to par. Hopefully Douglas is better than MacCagnan. Who was our Rooney Rule candidate?
Bienemy
The Jets don't scout potential HCs....they call Peyton Manning
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 02:15:29 PM
I think the Jets’ ability to scout potential head coaches is not up to par. Hopefully Douglas is better than MacCagnan. Who was our Rooney Rule candidate?
Bieniemy
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 02:16:30 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 02:16:36 PM
I think the Jets’ ability to scout potential head coaches is not up to par. Hopefully Douglas is better than MacCagnan. Who was our Rooney Rule candidate? Caldwell?
I think it was Jim Caldwell but I don't know that for sure.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 02:17:09 PM
Bienemy
Yeah, everyone other team in the NFL was lined up to hire him too.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 02:17:11 PM
For some reason I don’t remember the Jets actually interviewing him. Maybe the second time will be the charm.
he was the first interview
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 02:17:42 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 02:17:43 PM
Yeah, everyone other team in the NFL was lined up to hire him too.
He got Leslie Frazier'd
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 02:18:13 PM
I just hope we don't hire a retread.
agreed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 02:18:19 PM
Prob that retard Maccagnan
Post by: mj2sexay on September 14, 2020, 02:19:03 PM
What I want to know is who decided Matt Rhule couldn’t hire his own assistants
Prob that retard Maccagnan
That decision wound up making Rhule a shitload more money a year later.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 02:19:41 PM
What I want to know is who decided Matt Rhule couldn’t hire his own assistants
Prob that retard Maccagnan
I think CJ also had a hand in that. They didn’t like Rhule’s guy but they got Dowell Loggains instead.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 02:21:24 PM
He wanted Rhule to hire Todd Monken as his OC.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 02:22:53 PM
It was Mike Maccagnan.
He wanted Rhule to hire Todd Monken as his OC.
Maccagnan is a moron.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 02:23:23 PM
It was Mike Maccagnan.
He wanted Rhule to hire Todd Monken as his OC.
I know Macc drafted Darnold...but he has to be on the same tier as John Idzik when it comes to freaking this team over.
Charlie Casserly can DIAF.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 02:30:20 PM
He also hired Adam Gase.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 02:32:14 PM
Maccagnan is worse than John Idzik. All Idzik did was pee away a draft with a ton of picks. Maccagnan spent all the money that Idzik got back for the team and drafted horribly on top of that.
He also hired Adam Gase.
Karma kicked Duff right in the dick after that decision.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 02:33:15 PM
Karma kicked Duff right in the dick after that decision.
I've never seen someone hire their own killer before.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 02:34:28 PM
There's no way that fat bumbling hoarder had any idea what he was doing.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 02:41:26 PM
I knew he was garbage after the team's social media page posted a pic of him in his office and his desk was littered with old, crusty coffee cups. At least 20 Dunkin Donuts cups. You know that office had to smell like moldy derriere.
There's no way that fat bumbling hoarder had any idea what he was doing.
Remember when he was drafting in a room by himself. Now we know why.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 03:19:42 PM
I’m going to keep pounding the David Shaw drum, knowing that it is probably a bad call.David Shaw is somehow more conservative than Todd Bowles. I'd rather have Matt Patricia (not that I want him at all).
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 03:33:02 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 03:33:17 PM
I agree with the defensive issues for the most part. Obviously, we lack a pass rush but we missed Allen on several shots in the backfield that led to big plays or first down conversions.
Maye hinted at the same issues. They knew what was going on, but because he extended plays with his legs, the coverage broke down. Only so much you can do at that point...
Coming back to this, Jordan Jenkins made the same comments at the tail end of the conference call; no one followed through on wrapping and driving.
Also said the team is sick of losing but didn’t play like they were.
Without going into old arguments, I think it will be difficult for Gase to keep the locker room if this trend continues. The team has to turn it around now but having SF as the next opponent is not going to make that easy.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 03:37:03 PM
I think it will be difficult for Gase to keep the locker room if this trend continues.
I have to believe that the defensive units are pretty fucked off with the offense never giving them a chance to catch their breath. They certainly had their own challenges yesterday, but playing 40+ minutes is not going to make them happy.
Actually, that gives me an idea. Maybe we should start structuring offensive player contracts based upon time on the field, then let's see how often they go 3 and out.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 03:42:56 PM
I have to believe that the defensive units are pretty fucked off with the offense never giving them a chance to catch their breath. They certainly had their own challenges yesterday, but playing 40+ minutes is not going to make them happy.Obviously, the defense has been better than the offense, but I'm not giving the defense any excuses for this (not saying you necessarily are).
Actually, that gives me an idea. Maybe we should start structuring offensive player contracts based upon time on the field, then let's see how often they go 3 and out.
Bills 1st-quarter drives
- 6 plays, 27 yds, fumble, 2:11
- 7 plays, 55 yds, TD, 3:54
- 6 plays, 82 yds, TD, 2:35
- 14 plays, 68 yds, TD, 7:58
- 11 plays, 37 yds, fumble, 4:21
Now, the Jets have 5 drives in that span. Four were 3-and-outs (or 3-and-pick) and one was a 5-and-out. So the last 2 drives of the quarter could have involved tired legs, but the defense came out extremely flat.
From that point on, it was 21-0.
Then after the Crowder TD gave the Jets some momentum and made it a 2-score game, we allowed
- 8 plays, 52 yds, missed FG
- 10 plays, 34 yds, FG
- 11 plays, 63 yds, FG
So every time the Jets were in this game, the defense let us down as well.
Yesterday was an all around excrement effort.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 03:45:47 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
Loggains is the QB coach. And while NYJ fans seem to think all he's doing is throwing the challenge flag, he's usually near Sam on the sidelines if you look closely.
Just because he isn't a good coach doesn't mean he's not coaching.
I hate this kind of speculation. It's useless.
Without him having the title, I guess it's a social media point to make.
Still, I wasn't paying attention early, but once I saw that, I started trying to see if anyone was talking to Sam on the sideline between series. The only time I saw him was playing catch, with no coach in his vicinity.
I don't know how much coaching can make Darnold better right now, but it certainly couldn't hurt, could it? Shouldn't someone be sitting with him and a tablet going over the previous series and what he could have handled/seen better?
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 04:24:28 PM
Without him having the title, I guess it's a social media point to make.
Not sure I’m reading this correctly, but Loggains is listed on the team website as the QBs coach.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 04:25:51 PM
Shouldn't someone be sitting with him and a tablet going over the previous series and what he could have handled/seen better?
Both Gase and Loggains do that all the time during games
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2020, 04:36:31 PM
Not sure I’m reading this correctly, but Loggains is listed on the team website as the QBs coach.
Oh okay, well then F social media.
Both Gase and Loggains do that all the time during games
I guess I just didn't see it then. Like I said, I tried to pay attention and didn't see it. Certainly doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Not good. Sam did not look like a franchise QB yesterday, and if coaching can't help him, that sucks.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 14, 2020, 08:16:01 PM
How did I forget the freaking penalties
At this point I think we just expect them in droves, that if we only had 5-7 penalties for 50 yards in a game we would be astounded by our incredible discipline that week
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 15, 2020, 10:52:51 AM
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I will say this. As you guys know, my children are grown up now. And if I’m fortunate enough that one of them has a son or a daughter who decides they want to play football, and their in fifth grade and they get their first opportunity to play football, I wouldn’t hire to Adam Gase to coach that team, because he would be in over his head.
Adam Gase is the problem with the Jets. They should have fired him last year. It is ridiculous that we are now wasting another season with this guy, who anyone who has ever watched football can see, cannot coach this team. The players hate him. They don’t respond to him at all. And let me tell you something. Peyton Manning has put a lot of people’s kids through private school. Right? Keyshawn knows what I’m talking about when I say that. Adam Gase is at the top of that list.
Here is where Adam Gase’s offenses have ranked in total points scored when anyone besides Peyton Manning is the quarterback: 23rd in the league, 17th, 28th, 26th, 31st and now this disaster of an offense (Sunday).
Sam Darnold came into the league with all of the talent and promise in the world, and he is literally moving backwards. You could see it (Monday). He is regressing horribly. He isn’t getting better. He’s getting worse. Their best receiver had a huge day... Unfortunately he did it for the Carolina Panthers. Their best player was all over the field knocking people senseless... Unfortunately he did it for the Seattle Seahawks. So that was about as disheartening a day as you could possibly have. I don’t care how bad anyone else looked. The Jets were the worst team in the NFL and I don’t think it was close.
https://twitter.com/KeyJayandZ/status/1305469421192966145?s=20
Mike Greenberg on his ESPN show. And he is spot on.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 15, 2020, 12:09:33 PM
Mike Greenberg on his ESPN show. And he is spot on.
Say what you want about Greeny, but he is an unabashed Jets fan and he feels the same pains that we do. He’s right and almost all of us share the same opinions he shared.
The last 15 seconds or so of that video is exactly how we all felt yesterday watching Sam play the way he did
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2020, 03:03:52 PM
Gase +325
Patricia +350
Quinn +600
Marrone +750
O'Brien +1000
Lynn/Nagy +2500
Taylor +3000
Arians/Fangio/Flores/Zimmer +3300
Judge/Kingsbury +4000
Post by: Libero_2 on September 15, 2020, 05:17:31 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 15, 2020, 05:22:07 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2020, 05:31:18 PM
Warm the Bench calls for Gase's firing (https://warmthebench.com/it-is-never-too-early-to-fire-adam-gase/)
Nothing there we didn't know, but a comprehensively made argument all the same. I wonder if there is anyone left who doesn't want to see the back of Gase at this stage.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 15, 2020, 05:38:27 PM
Nothing there we didn't know, but a comprehensively made argument all the same. I wonder if there is anyone left who doesn't want to see the back of Gase at this stage.
That was why I posted it, I thought it was a thoroughly well done article, which is fairly hard to find these days
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 15, 2020, 09:09:21 PM
Nothing there we didn't know, but a comprehensively made argument all the same. I wonder if there is anyone left who doesn't want to see the back of Gase at this stage.
I think there are some on this board that still believe in Gase
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 15, 2020, 09:40:03 PM
I think there are some on this board that still believe in GaseI don't think anyone really believes in Gase, we just disagree with how much of the blame he deserves.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 15, 2020, 10:09:31 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2020, 11:03:49 PM
I don't think anyone really believes in Gase, we just disagree with how much of the blame he deserves.
I agree, Fire both Gase and Joe Douglas so we can finally get this rebuild started
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 16, 2020, 02:49:43 AM
Mike Greenberg on his ESPN show. And he is spot on.
I almost cried when I read this piece from Greenberg
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 16, 2020, 06:38:18 AM
33 Touchdowns
93 Punts
-60 Margin is the worst in the NFL over that span.
Post by: insanity on September 16, 2020, 12:49:54 PM
I honestly can't remember any of our receivers running slants. Its all crossing and combination routes.
I don't understand why Gase hasn't simplified this offense especially with a shortened offseason.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 16, 2020, 12:52:13 PM
When was the last time Gase had darnold throw a slant?
I honestly can't remember any of our receivers running slants. Its all crossing and combination routes.
I don't understand why Gase hasn't simplified this offense especially with a shortened offseason.
I had this same thought about slants the other night during the Giants/Steelers game
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2020, 12:53:19 PM
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#Jets CEO Christopher Johnson on his stance on in-season coaching changes: "I have complete confidence in Adam here. I’m really not going to deal with any hypotheticals with Adam or anyone else’s employment.”
I give up
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 12:56:55 PM
When was the last time Gase had darnold throw a slant?
I honestly can't remember any of our receivers running slants. Its all crossing and combination routes.
I don't understand why Gase hasn't simplified this offense especially with a shortened offseason.
Adam Gasenheimer
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 12:57:58 PM
I give up
"Look, just leave me alone and wait until November when my brother comes home and then it's his problem, all right?"
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 12:58:03 PM
I give up
What's he supposed to say?
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2020, 12:59:35 PM
What's he supposed to say?
he's not supposed to suck Gase's dick. Jesus christ...brilliant offensive mind? gimme a freaking break.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 01:00:15 PM
What's he supposed to say?
"Adam and I have talked, I have informed him that he is woefully out of his depth and causing more damage to the team every day he comes to work, so as we speak I have security clearing out his office. If you want to speak with Adam directly I last saw him an hour ago sitting in his car in the parking lot alternately sobbing and yelling something about how I haven't heard the last of this and Peyton won't be happy with me."
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 01:00:30 PM
When was the last time Gase had darnold throw a slant?
I honestly can't remember any of our receivers running slants. Its all crossing and combination routes.
I don't understand why Gase hasn't simplified this offense especially with a shortened offseason.
He ran curl/flat and bubble/slant all game. Buffalo's alignment took away the slant. They were willing to give up the screen play and anything into the flat because they are strong tacklers.
The only time it bit them in the derriere was when Herndon made an elite block and Crowder broke that arrow pass for the long TD.
The problem with Gase is that he goes away from things that appear to work but fail the first time. The big crosser to Crowder that he dropped is a great way to beat quarters. He never went back to that until the garbage time drive.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 01:02:43 PM
McDermott excrement all over Darnold and Gase on Sunday.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
Herndon had all this hype and we didn't go to him down the seam at all.
Our problem is that our best weapon after Bell went down was Jamison Crowder. You want to get the ball to playmakers in space against quarters and hope they can pick up chunk yards. We are just so thin at the skill positions that there wasn't much we could do. It didn't help that Darnold was off either.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 16, 2020, 03:44:12 PM
You beat quarters with quick passes (probably why we were slant and flat heavy) and vertical plays, especially down the seam. That's something we didn't see on Sunday and it was very disappointing.
Herndon had all this hype and we didn't go to him down the seam at all.
Our problem is that our best weapon after Bell went down was Jamison Crowder. You want to get the ball to playmakers in space against quarters and hope they can pick up chunk yards. We are just so thin at the skill positions that there wasn't much we could do. It didn't help that Darnold was off either.
We arguably have the worst set of offensive skill players in the NFL, and Joe D is not doing much to bring in talent to help Sam. Get ready to see a lot more of the same ineptitude.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 03:54:17 PM
Joe D is not doing much to bring in talent to help Sam.
He rebuilt the entire offensive line in one offseason. It's going to take a while to fix everything. I figured we'd start to see some fingers pointed at Joe Douglas.
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2020, 03:55:23 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 16, 2020, 04:05:53 PM
He rebuilt the entire offensive line in one offseason. It's going to take a while to fix everything. I figured we'd start to see some fingers pointed at Joe Douglas.
I am all for giving Joe D the time he needs to rebuild the team.
All I'm saying is when our skill players on offense are this pathetic. You couple that with an imbecile of a coach and you will see the same putrid performance week after week. How can you tell the fanbase you're looking to compete if you don't improve the roster with short term band-aids?
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2020, 04:07:50 PM
I am all for giving Joe D the time he needs to rebuild the team.
All I'm saying is when our skill players on offense are this pathetic. You couple that with an imbecile of a coach and you will see the same putrid performance week after week. How can you tell the fanbase you're looking to compete if you don't improve the roster with short term band-aids?
his short term band-aids were Perriman and Doctson.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 04:10:13 PM
his short term band-aids were Perriman and Doctson.
I think the operative words in loyal's post were "improve the roster".
Post by: MBGreen on September 16, 2020, 04:11:49 PM
I think the operative words in loyal's post were "improve the roster".
they're short term band-aids....improving the roster was never gonna happen under Gase. No matter who JD signs.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 16, 2020, 04:21:16 PM
He rebuilt the entire offensive line in one offseason. It's going to take a while to fix everything. I figured we'd start to see some fingers pointed at Joe Douglas.I think it's fair to be critical of Joe Douglas. I'm very much a believer in him. I'm fully on board.
But outside of the OL, is any unit on this team better than last year? We clearly needed a starting CB, and the guy he signed got benched in the 2nd quarter. He's gotten unlucky at WR with injuries, but I think everyone on this board wanted us to do more at WR. And we didn't really do anything at EDGE other than draft Zuniga and resign Jenkins.
I'm very patient with Douglas, and I don't expect him to overhaul the team in one offseason. But I do think he should have done more at WR.
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 04:23:14 PM
they're short term band-aids....improving the roster was never gonna happen under Gase. No matter who JD signs.
Replacing Anderson with Perriman indisputably weakened it. That was purely a financial decision.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 05:22:14 PM
I'm very patient with Douglas
He clearly has a plan. If it works out, I don't know. But I'm willing to watch it play out...
Post by: Libero_2 on September 16, 2020, 06:41:43 PM
He clearly has a plan. If it works out, I don't know. But I'm willing to watch it play out...
That is more than we can say for our last two GM's. Given that alone, I am interested to watch it play out
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 16, 2020, 06:57:28 PM
He rebuilt the entire offensive line in one offseason. It's going to take a while to fix everything. I figured we'd start to see some fingers pointed at Joe Douglas.
Let's be real, the guard positions are just bandaged, not rebuilt. That would be like the Khalil signing working out and saying the center position was fixed last season.
Replacing Perriman for Anderson so far looks like a mistake, sven if it saved us $8million in cap space next season.
I'm being patient but I'd say he's 50/50 with FAs and a massive question mark on the draft until all our picks get healthy.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 16, 2020, 07:15:06 PM
Let's be real, the guard positions are just bandaged, not rebuilt. That would be like the Khalil signing working out and saying the center position was fixed last season.
Replacing Perriman for Anderson so far looks like a mistake, sven if it saved us $8million in cap space next season.
I'm being patient but I'd say he's 50/50 with FAs and a massive question mark on the draft until all our picks get healthy.
The one thing I will say about our OGs is if either works out as a starter this year (unlikely after Sunday's play) they are on cheap deals which is great for interior guys. In the event that they don't work out they can be cut for almost nothing. But I think GVR's contract is actually really quality for a backup OL as he ages. He could easily be replaced and be an excellent interior swing guy for depth purposes who can still play a bit when called upon. So I honestly expect him to stick around for a while (albeit not as a starter beyond this year).
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 16, 2020, 07:19:32 PM
Let's be real, the guard positions are just bandaged, not rebuilt. That would be like the Khalil signing working out and saying the center position was fixed last season.Well, it depends how Cameron Clark works out. If he hit on Clark in the 4th round, then we have one OG spot for the future filled. Obviously we have no idea how Clark will be.
Replacing Perriman for Anderson so far looks like a mistake, sven if it saved us $8million in cap space next season.
I'm being patient but I'd say he's 50/50 with FAs and a massive question mark on the draft until all our picks get healthy.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 16, 2020, 07:32:34 PM
It's year three of a top-3 pick QB's career. This was a make-or-break year for Darnold and almost every acquisition should have been made with the intention of improving his supporting cast. The OL deserves time to gel, but the dearth of high-quality skill players on offense bothers me.
There are only 2 ways to make sense of the Jets' offseason: 1) Douglas' hands were tied by Johnson or 2) he wasn't investing into a QB and HC he doesn't plan to keep going forward.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 17, 2020, 02:40:32 AM
I said it most of last season and all offseason leading up to free agency and the draft, I didn't want any investment into defense other than EDGE--including corner.
It's year three of a top-3 pick QB's career. This was a make-or-break year for Darnold and almost every acquisition should have been made with the intention of improving his supporting cast. The OL deserves time to gel, but the dearth of high-quality skill players on offense bothers me.
There are only 2 ways to make sense of the Jets' offseason: 1) Douglas' hands were tied by Johnson or 2) he wasn't investing into a QB and HC he doesn't plan to keep going forward.
Next year there will be a excrement ton of FA WRs, this year there were almost none. As for why he didn’t invest more draft picks on WRs, no freaking clue.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2020, 10:22:38 AM
Mike Greenberg on his ESPN show. And he is spot on.https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1306594201950326790?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2020, 10:23:21 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2020, 10:25:08 AM
Post by: IATA on September 17, 2020, 11:10:23 AM
I forgot about Tannehill, that's depressing.
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Post by: CatoTheElder on September 17, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 17, 2020, 11:51:56 AM
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1306594201950326790?s=19
So incredibly depressing.
I didn't want to believe the Jets could freak up Darnold...but alas, they choose the single worst possible candidate, and here we are. If things don't change, I can see Sam going to a different team and finding similar success as Tannehill did in TN.
Post by: IATA on September 17, 2020, 12:49:59 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2020, 12:54:24 PM
Preach, Woody.
Post by: IATA on September 17, 2020, 12:56:14 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 17, 2020, 01:00:36 PM
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1306602199368245253
Preach, Woody.
For a quick moment, I thought this was Woody Johnson slamming someone
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 17, 2020, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2020, 01:10:09 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 17, 2020, 01:12:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2020, 01:14:24 PM
If we get blown out by a scrub Niners team, that seat gets a hell of a lot hotter.
“I’m glad you guys finally acknowledged this team was in the Super Bowl last year, a top 5 defense”
-Gase
Post by: Heismanberg on September 17, 2020, 01:16:02 PM
“I’m glad you guys finally acknowledged this team was in the Super Bowl last year, a top 5 defense”
-Gase
"Kyle is who Chris Johnson thinks I am"
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 17, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
“I’m glad you guys finally acknowledged this team was in the Super Bowl last year, a top 5 defense...and thanks for reminding me we are the worst offense in the league”
-Gase
FTFY
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 17, 2020, 01:26:18 PM
If we get blown out by a scrub Niners team, that seat gets a hell of a lot hotter.
I'm expecting it. His seat is already ablaze.
I just hope when this clueless franchise gets rid of this bum, they don't hand the playcalling to Lolwell Lolgains
Post by: Heismanberg on September 17, 2020, 01:57:12 PM
I just hope when this clueless franchise gets rid of this bum, they don't hand the playcalling to Lolwell Lolgains
they should probably give playcalling to Shawn Jefferson or Jim Bob Cooter
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2020, 02:00:22 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
they should probably give playcalling to Shawn Jefferson or Jim Bob Cooter
or Hines Ward. We're already heavily penalized, might as well add some dirty hits.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 17, 2020, 02:05:27 PM
Adam Gase designed his coaching staff with the poison pill that you can’t fire him because there’s no real OC/QB coach to take over
There isn't one now.
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2020, 02:16:22 PM
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Dan Orlovsky @danorlovsky7
I’m aware that Adam Gase hasn’t had much talent to work with when it comes to the @nyjets
BUT—a “brilliant offensive mind” would be taking those players that lack talent & helping/getting them to outperform that talent. That’s what brilliance would be doing. He isn’t.
Post by: insanity on September 17, 2020, 02:16:32 PM
they should probably give playcalling to Shawn Jefferson or Jim Bob CooterShawn jefferson does not sound very intelligent when he speaks at press conferences
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 17, 2020, 02:23:25 PM
Orlovsky joining in now:
I have no problem with anything that was said here.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 17, 2020, 02:33:33 PM
I have no problem with anything that was said here.
That’s the best argument that can be had. If Gase needs exceptional players to look like a good coach, you aren’t a good coach.
The mark of a good coach is never what they can do with a perfect cast, it’s can they make below average guys average and average guys above average. Can they elevate good players to become great ones? From what we have seen from Gase the answer is no freaking chance. In fact he seems to be taking average guys and making them perform poorly or worse.
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2020, 02:47:08 PM
That’s the best argument that can be had. If Gase needs exceptional players to look like a good coach, you aren’t a good coach.
The mark of a good coach is never what they can do with a perfect cast, it’s can they make below average guys average and average guys above average. Can they elevate good players to become great ones? From what we have seen from Gase the answer is no freaking chance. In fact he seems to be taking average guys and making them perform poorly or worse.
this was the argument some of us made last season. But we were told "roster bad, not gase's fault".
Post by: Libero_2 on September 17, 2020, 03:39:48 PM
this was the argument some of us made last season. But we were told "roster bad, not gase's fault".
Not sure why you are arguing with me, I wanted him fired before Th e Cowboys game last year. There is no way in hell those performances with Sam out with mono weren’t completely phoned in on the offensive side of the ball.
And there is a difference between reaching your ceiling with the talent you have and absolutely not being competitive in any regard with talent. This team is freaking terrible I fully believe that. But give this roster to a strong coach and they could keep this team “in the hunt” until thanksgiving. If we aren’t completely out of it by week 5 I will be stunned at the turn around we have had.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 17, 2020, 03:49:51 PM
Not sure why you are arguing with me, I wanted him fired before Th e Cowboys game last year. There is no way in hell those performances with Sam out with mono weren’t completely phoned in on the offensive side of the ball.
And there is a difference between reaching your ceiling with the talent you have and absolutely not being competitive in any regard with talent. This team is freaking terrible I fully believe that. But give this roster to a strong coach and they could keep this team “in the hunt” until thanksgiving. If we aren’t completely out of it by week 5 I will be stunned at the turn around we have had.
I don't think he is disagreeing with you...he's merely highlighting the excuse from the Gase supporters.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 17, 2020, 04:38:20 PM
I don't think he is disagreeing with you...he's merely highlighting the excuse from the Gase supporters.
The problem is I don’t think anyone really supported Gase. It was at best acceptance that we wouldn’t fire a guy who almost went 0.500 in his first season with a excrement team. So people were trying to look for something positive to cling to
Fast forward and positivity is completely gone from basically any jets fan anywhere.
I said it when we didn’t fire him after last year, we won’t fire him for a while this year. If ownership was thinking at the end of last year “well if it doesn’t work out, I can always fire him week 3 or week 4” then he never should have been retained. NO ONE goes into a season expecting to fire their coach. So I resigned myself to at least a half season of Gase ball this year when we didn’t can him last year.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 17, 2020, 05:00:46 PM
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2020, 06:47:46 PM
Imagine being a season ticket holder for this franchise....jesus.My dad always says he's undefeated at tailgating
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 17, 2020, 07:42:31 PM
In my 30 years of rooting for this pathetic franchise, I have never hated a head coach more than Gase.
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2020, 09:29:34 PM
I hate Gase more than Quigley and Lach Edwards combined.
In my 30 years of rooting for this pathetic franchise, I have never hated a head coach more than Gase.
My active fandom only goes back as far as Herm but same here. Gase is the only one to not have a winning first season. No honeymoon phase plus I desperately didn't want us to hire him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 17, 2020, 09:39:19 PM
My active fandom only goes back as far as Herm but same here. Gase is the only one to not have a winning first season. No honeymoon phase plus I desperately didn't want us to hire him.
I go back to Parcells' 97 seaso . This doesn't help Gase. Dude is the worst hire since I have actively watched football.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2020, 10:08:26 PM
My dad always says he's undefeated at tailgating
Can you get him to post here
Post by: delavan on September 18, 2020, 04:14:48 PM
In my 30 years of rooting for this pathetic franchise, I have never hated a head coach more than Gase.
Along with that fat Eddie Munster-looking little shlt Dowell Loggains.
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2020, 01:12:09 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 02:25:36 PM
Game 2 is largely on Gase and the coaching (and the lack of talent).
This is going to be a long year, but Gase isn't going to survive after the year, and nor should he.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 02:26:18 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 20, 2020, 02:26:23 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 02:29:59 PM
All the Gase supporters on this board maaaake some noiiiise!!!You truly love to argue against nobody, don't you.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 20, 2020, 02:51:37 PM
I'd take ANYONE over him.
We are non-competitive on offense and that's in him.
freak YOU GAZE for breathing.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 20, 2020, 02:52:08 PM
You truly love to argue against nobody, don't you.
You're one of the few I was referring to
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 20, 2020, 02:53:06 PM
You're one of the few I was referring to
okay, time for you two to fight
now. do it
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
okay, time for you two to fight(https://www.applebees.com/-/media/applebees/campaigns-2/health-and-safety/sanitation-lower-module-desktop.jpg)
now. do it
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 03:01:35 PM
-Keeping with underneath throws even when down by 21
-Not scheming to Herndon who is probably the most talented healthy receiving option on the team right now
-Waiting until the game is out of reach to give touches to Ballage and Perine despite your starting HB being 37 and requiring an extra day off of practice in the week to stay rested
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 20, 2020, 03:03:38 PM
I really don't get the offense today.
-Keeping with underneath throws even when down by 21
-Not scheming to Herndon who is probably the most talented healthy receiving option on the team right now
-Waiting until the game is out of reach to give touches to Ballage and Perine despite your starting HB being 37 and requiring an extra day off of practice in the week to stay rested
these weren't on adam gase's playcall sheet. ballage and perine were there but it was at the bottom and he found it too late in the game.
the answers are there on the sheet, he just has to find them quicker
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 03:24:23 PM
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“I’m pissed right now. That excrement’s no fun going out there and getting your derriere beat.” - #Jets HC Adam Gase
Adam Gase has had a rough *checks notes* entire life
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 03:29:15 PM
Adam Gase has had a rough *checks notes* entire life
LMAO. Mark derriere bitch
Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2020, 03:46:52 PM
Gase is the worst coach in the NFL.
I'd take ANYONE over him.
We are non-competitive on offense and that's in him.
freak YOU GAZE for breathing.
He's level bottom with Patricia.
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2020, 03:53:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 03:55:10 PM
Tannehill 4 TDs today
$20 to anyone that knows his OC without googling
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 04:00:38 PM
$20 to anyone that knows his OC without googling
I googled it. My first response was, "Who?"
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 04:02:15 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 20, 2020, 04:04:47 PM
I googled it. My first response was, "Who?"
Gase < "Who?"
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 04:08:52 PM
Sorry guys....i don't see a win in there. Not with this coaching staff.
We might have a chance against the Bye week.
Post by: IATA on September 20, 2020, 04:11:33 PM
and we get to lose to he dolphins 2 out of 3 weeks.
we might beat cleveland, but only if someone else is also trying to get the 1 pick
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 04:12:46 PM
lmao i forgot we get to goto la twice at different times of the year
and we get to lose to he dolphins 2 out of 3 weeks.
we might beat cleveland, but only if someone else is also trying to get the 1 pick
Cleveland is gonna rape us.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 04:18:35 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 04:21:24 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think we will be underdogs in every single one of those games except maybe home Miami. But I think we'll beat someone. At least I hope so.
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 04:24:25 PM
We're a bad team, perhaps the worst in the NFL, but Kansas City and Seattle are the only teams on there that truly scare me. Maybe New England, but that's more because of past scars than me thinking that this year's team is very good.
Don't get me wrong, I think we will be underdogs in every single one of those games except maybe home Miami. But I think we'll beat someone. At least I hope so.
After watching the slop today, against a team that had every reason to lose to us....i have zero optimism for the rest of this season.
Deep down i hope we get a win so we don't join the 0-16 club....but every facet of this team has played like garbage.
The best part is that Gase still isn't taking accountability. "COULDN'T BE MY FAULT, GAIZ!"
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 04:29:02 PM
Post by: insanity on September 20, 2020, 04:56:48 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2020, 05:04:18 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 05:12:13 PM
There are a couple wins in there but none of them are going to be easy.I think you’re going to be disappointed
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 05:12:59 PM
The Chargers have put up more yards of offense in the first half of their game against the reigning Super Bowl Champions than the Jets have done in the entirety of either of their first two games. I guess that's just how brilliant offensive minds work.The Chargers started their rookie QB too
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 05:14:13 PM
I think you’re going to be disappointed
You'd be surprised. I think we come away with 2 wins.
Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2020, 05:16:06 PM
You'd be surprised. I think we come away with 2 wins.
I agree. It requires a very special level of awful to go 0-16, and I suspect that someone is going to show up having a sufficiently bad day that we have enough with Sam, Gore and the line to put together a win or two. This is a terribly coached team but there's enough actual talent on it to stumble into a couple of wins.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 05:16:45 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 05:17:38 PM
You'd be surprised. I think we come away with 2 wins.I refuse to get my hopes up....I demand justice
#JusticeForMB
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 20, 2020, 05:41:00 PM
Adam Gase is the worst coach I've ever seen coach this team
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 06:01:40 PM
Quite frankly, if Sam is who we think he can be, we should win at least 2 games.
I think he’s gonna be not very good with Adam Gase as his mentor and Josh Malone, Berrios, and Frank Gore as his supporting cast.
Hot Taek SZN
Post by: Johnny English on September 20, 2020, 06:25:51 PM
I think he’s gonna be not very good with Adam Gase as his mentor and Josh Malone, Berrios, and Frank Gore as his supporting cast.
Hot Taek SZN
Berrios is actually OK, his hands are good and he plays bigger than his size. He's a very Patriots kind of receiver. A 1-2 punch of him and Hogan isn't going to cut it though.
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2020, 06:33:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/M4lU97T.png)I don't understand how I looked at this before the season and saw 7 wins.
Sorry guys....i don't see a win in there. Not with this coaching staff.
We might have a chance against the Bye week.
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2020, 06:34:44 PM
lmao i forgot we get to goto la twice at different times of the year
Before COVID I was actually playing with the idea of going to one of those.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 06:47:10 PM
Berrios is actually OK, his hands are good and he plays bigger than his size. He's a very Patriots kind of receiver. A 1-2 punch of him and Hogan isn't going to cut it though.
White Jeremy Kerley, average at best
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 20, 2020, 06:49:24 PM
I've been a Jets fan since Joe Walton was head coach
Adam Gase is the worst coach I've ever seen coach this team
This X 1000000
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2020, 07:41:33 PM
We can beat Denver if Driskel is their starter
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2020, 07:42:16 PM
sad
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 07:50:47 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 08:02:22 PM
4-12 is best case scenario
sad
This is what I expected but you always forget how sad it is
Post by: bojanglesman on September 20, 2020, 08:53:07 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 09:37:31 PM
How injured is Drew Lock?Can we though?
We can beat Denver if Driskel is their starter
The Broncos can follow the Niners recipe and feed their HBs all game.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 10:34:17 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 10:38:07 PM
Post by: reuben on September 20, 2020, 11:35:19 PM
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Glenn Naughton
@AceFan23
Asked why Herndon wasn't involved with so many receivers injured, Gase says they had some stuff drawn up for him that they "weren't able to get to".
This guy is unreal.
Adam Gase is 2020.
Post by: delavan on September 21, 2020, 12:24:27 AM
(https://i.redd.it/cn2azbpd57n51.png)
Post by: delavan on September 21, 2020, 12:29:53 AM
Damien Woody on Gase:
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1306602199368245253
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 21, 2020, 02:43:50 AM
Damien Woody on Gase:
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1306602199368245253
This was brilliant from Woody and exactly how I felt.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 21, 2020, 05:53:35 AM
Adam Gase is 2020.
it was at the bottom of the sheet, he spent too much time looking at the top half
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2020, 07:01:05 AM
He needs to not finish the week
Fixed
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2020, 07:05:22 AM
Does this half-wit script the entire game? Was he trying everything else to make it sure it didn't work first before pulling out the "real" threats?
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2020, 07:08:44 AM
What does he mean "weren't able to get to" Herndon plays?
Does this half-wit script the entire game? Was he trying everything else to make it sure it didn't work first before pulling out the "real" threats?
Designed throws to the TE are only for games where the Jets are leading by 12 points or more.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 21, 2020, 08:39:08 AM
does he not understand how bad that sounds lol
Post by: MBGreen on September 21, 2020, 10:51:37 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 21, 2020, 12:30:07 PM
2nd most punts: 11
2nd most punt yards: 500
#BrilliantOffensiveMind
Post by: Heismanberg on September 21, 2020, 12:36:50 PM
We currently rank in the top 5 in only one category....punting
2nd most punts: 11
2nd most punt yards: 500
#BrilliantOffensiveMind
Our punt coverage has been awful too
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 21, 2020, 12:47:21 PM
Our punt coverage has been awful tooThe alarming thing is that our offense hasn't really been any worse than last year (not that it had much further down to go). But our defense and special teams have been worse. Last year, our defense and special teams kept us afloat. Not so much this year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 01:16:23 PM
The alarming thing is that our offense hasn't really been any worse than last year (not that it had much further down to go). But our defense and special teams have been worse. Last year, our defense and special teams kept us afloat. Not so much this year.
Boyer and Gregg deserve plenty of blame. Gase deserves blame as well because he operates without having any investment into or leadership ability within those units.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 01:19:01 PM
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“I don’t feel like he’s the right leader for this organization to reach the Promised Land,” Adams said. “As a leader, what really bothers me is that he doesn’t have a relationship with everybody in the building.
“At the end of the day, he doesn’t address the team,” Adams added. “If there’s a problem in the locker room, he lets another coach address the team. If we’re playing sh---y and we’re losing, he doesn’t address the entire team as a group at halftime. He’ll walk out of the locker room and let another coach handle it.”
Jamal is a dick but I believe this
Post by: MBGreen on September 21, 2020, 02:04:16 PM
Jamal is a dick but I believe this
JFC....if that's how Gase is handling the team, he should've been fired last year.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 21, 2020, 02:10:16 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 21, 2020, 02:13:16 PM
I could be wrong but isn't that a quote from the Mehta article that came out the week before Jamal was traded?
It is
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 02:53:02 PM
Adam Gase has called 2 play action passes on 2nd down across both games.
2”
“ Here's what the Jets did on their first few 2nd downs yesterday following a rush of 4+ yards on 1st down
- 2nd & 5: every route to the sticks (incomplete)
- 2nd & 3: actually took a shot, Hogan dropped good throw
- 2nd & 5: 1 yard Gore run
- 2nd & 5: 3 yard Perriman screen
Next few
- 2nd & 6: Three straight runs for 5, 0, 0, turnover.
- 2nd & 6: 3 yard Gore run
- 2nd & 5: PLAY ACTION! 13 YARDS! It works, who knew?“
-Nania
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 02:55:57 PM
Games with less than 300 yards: 12 (1st)
Games with less than 20 points: 12 (1st, tied with CIN and WAS)
Games losing by 10+ points: 9 (3rd, trailing MIA and WAS by one game)”
“ The Jets are the only team in the NFL that have not converted at least half of their 3rd downs in any game since the start of 2019.
Their best rate is 42.9% (home vs. Miami and at Baltimore).
Every other team in the NFL has hit 45% or higher in at least 3 games (besides Washington which has done it only once). 8 teams have done in at least 10 games“
Nania
Post by: Heismanberg on September 21, 2020, 03:22:50 PM
garbage
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 03:51:03 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1308109792603504642?s=20
garbage
https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1308121038228787203?s=21
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 21, 2020, 03:51:53 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2020, 03:59:11 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 21, 2020, 04:12:10 PM
How is he still employed?
i was just thinking about this lol. think about the people you know in your own life who are qualified/overqualified for positions they wish they had and are looking for their break. then think about gase's CV and track record knowing that he has a 1 out of 32 position in the world
last year all we could talk about was the injuries, the lack of an o-line, the lack of talent. a lot of this excrement is still there but at the least the o-line is better than it was last year, even if still imperfect. however, we are still seeing the same excrement and the same pattern of ineptitude that there was last year, there hasn't been any improvement. i don't think it's down to talent. we could have had a 2007 randy moss out there and i'm sure gase would still be having him run 3 yard outs in the 4th down 20 on 1st and 10
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 21, 2020, 05:59:47 PM
i was just thinking about this lol. think about the people you know in your own life who are qualified/overqualified for positions they wish they had and are looking for their break. then think about gase's CV and track record knowing that he has a 1 out of 32 position in the world
last year all we could talk about was the injuries, the lack of an o-line, the lack of talent. a lot of this excrement is still there but at the least the o-line is better than it was last year, even if still imperfect. however, we are still seeing the same excrement and the same pattern of ineptitude that there was last year, there hasn't been any improvement. i don't think it's down to talent. we could have had a 2007 randy moss out there and i'm sure gase would still be having him run 3 yard outs in the 4th down 20 on 1st and 10
Injuries and "lack of talent" are excuses
Both Herndon and Griffin are completely healthy--and invisible
Sam Darnold has a better line than last year and is playing worse
Every facet of this team, even the better parts, are worse than last year and were worse last year than the year before
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 06:55:28 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 21, 2020, 07:14:20 PM
https://twitter.com/blakenyjets/status/1308006344717459456?s=21
I wish that chart had a color for 'broken plays' as I imagine most of the down field completion were the 4-5 busted plays Sam made yesterday
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 21, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
TV ratings could get the Johnsons' attention regarding Gase. Imagine trying to sell season tickets next year with Gase still around. Impossible.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 09:27:15 PM
https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/1308214087093026816?s=20
TV ratings could get the Johnsons' attention regarding Gase. Imagine trying to sell season tickets next year with Gase still around. Impossible.
That’s actually pretty surprising. People have stopped giving a excrement in week 2.
Post by: insanity on September 21, 2020, 09:31:48 PM
https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/1308214087093026816?s=20I doubt it. It doesn't effect their bottom line
TV ratings could get the Johnsons' attention regarding Gase. Imagine trying to sell season tickets next year with Gase still around. Impossible.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
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#Jets TE Chris Herndon is blocking more than any other starting tight end on his passing snaps at 36.4% (minimum 80 total snaps).
Combined with only playing 74% of overall snaps and playing on an anemic offense, you have a very bad fantasy recipe.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 09:39:38 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 21, 2020, 10:07:52 PM
I doubt it. It doesn't effect their bottom lineSeason tickets would. TV ratings are a sign of general apathy. My family and I are more apathetic than usual. Hard to get behind a coach you don't like and a team that is embarrassing.
Who is going to want to buy season tickets for Year 3 of Gase?
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2020, 10:35:10 PM
Exhibit 12455678901727383 on Fire Gase:
Why did we resign Griffin if we’re going to use Herndon as a blocking TE?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 21, 2020, 10:48:55 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2020, 10:49:35 PM
Chris Herndon's best asset is his blocking.
Great. Why did we resign Griffin?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 21, 2020, 10:50:50 PM
Great. Why did we resign Griffin?
Because he's a solid player that was playing well for us?
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 21, 2020, 11:45:23 PM
Because he's a solid player that was playing well for us?Let me reframe this: why is a team with an injury decimated WR corps using all of its TEs primarily as blockers instead of trying to scheme plays towards Herndon and Griffin, two players Darnold has shown familiarity and chemistry with in the passing game?
What was the point of re-signing Griffin if we are not going to use him as a pass catcher or allow him to take over blocking duties to free Herndon up as a pass catching option when we already have Wesco and Brown?
TLDR; Gase does not know how to utilize talent on the roster if it does not hit specific definitions or schemes.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 07:44:02 AM
Let me reframe this: why is a team with an injury decimated WR corps using all of its TEs primarily as blockers instead of trying to scheme plays towards Herndon and Griffin, two players Darnold has shown familiarity and chemistry with in the passing game?
I don't know. It will be a big part of why Gase is fired.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Only an Andy Reid type could get any offense out of them. That being said, Gase could have a team full of all-pros and find a way to drag them down. Barring a miracle, the entire coaching staff (except Boyer hopefully) will be gone and we'll be starting over again next year. Gase is a master at getting 6-8 wins every year. He'll have his work cut out for him this year. I'm betting 3-4.
Maybe Woody can just throw hundred dollar bills and free buffet tickets at Andy Reid until he leaves KC.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2020, 10:26:01 AM
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Jets Offensive Rankings
Total: 32
Run: 31
Pass: 30
Scoring: 31
lol
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 22, 2020, 11:28:38 AM
Let me reframe this: why is a team with an injury decimated WR corps using all of its TEs primarily as blockers instead of trying to scheme plays towards Herndon and Griffin, two players Darnold has shown familiarity and chemistry with in the passing game?
What was the point of re-signing Griffin if we are not going to use him as a pass catcher or allow him to take over blocking duties to free Herndon up as a pass catching option when we already have Wesco and Brown?
TLDR; Gase does not know how to utilize talent on the roster if it does not hit specific definitions or schemes.
The plays were drawn up, Gase said so
He also said they didn't have a chance to get to them
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2020, 12:10:47 PM
The plays were drawn up, Gase said so
He also said they didn't have a chance to get to them
"You don't get to run the fun plays until you make my screen passes work!"
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2020, 12:46:49 PM
"You don't get to run the fun plays until you make my screen passes work!"Screens are the vegetables. Dessert? 3 yard slant.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2020, 12:55:23 PM
"You don't get to run the fun plays until you make my screen passes work!"
I HATE YOU
VFCK THIS TEAM
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2020, 03:37:44 PM
Screens are the vegetables. Dessert? 3 yard slant.How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 22, 2020, 03:43:11 PM
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
Meat = halfback dive
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 22, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2020, 03:51:11 PM
Apparently, Williamson took a shot on Gase in a radio show. There should be a tweet around soon.https://twitter.com/brady_watz1/status/1308486120343326725?s=19
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2020, 03:51:43 PM
https://twitter.com/fuegojetstakes/status/1308503121971343360?s=19
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 22, 2020, 04:12:32 PM
I choose to blame our stupid freaking logo.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2020, 04:55:32 PM
-The jets are having non-competitive practices and not doing what they need to do in practice to win in the game
-Implied he sees a big difference in the direction/intensity of practices here vs Seattle
-They asked Avery Williamson about McDougalds comments and he backed them up
https://twitter.com/drewfromjersey/status/1308508133703254019?s=21
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 04:57:12 PM
It's easy to blame Gase for everything that went wrong.
I choose to blame our stupid freaking logo.
I don't like the logo. If the change was going to be that minimal just leave it the way it was.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 22, 2020, 05:08:53 PM
I was just listening to Joe and Evan and they said they interviewed McDougald today who said (Joe Beningo paraphrasing so who knows what was actually said):
-The jets are having non-competitive practices and not doing what they need to do in practice to win in the game
-Implied he sees a big difference in the direction/intensity of practices here vs Seattle
-They asked Avery Williamson about McDougalds comments and he backed them up
https://twitter.com/drewfromjersey/status/1308508133703254019?s=21
I remember one of the comments from Gase during TC was him complaining that the players weren’t practicing with any urgency. The only thing I could think of at the time was, “Isn’t that your job to instill that?”
Post by: Libero_2 on September 22, 2020, 05:21:40 PM
I remember one of the comments from Gase during TC was him complaining that the players weren’t practicing with any urgency. The only thing I could think of at the time was, “Isn’t that your job to instill that?”
Something has got to change.
If it’s not shitcanning Gase, what’s it gonna be?
Post by: MBGreen on September 22, 2020, 06:47:47 PM
I was just listening to Joe and Evan and they said they interviewed McDougald today who said (Joe Beningo paraphrasing so who knows what was actually said):
-The jets are having non-competitive practices and not doing what they need to do in practice to win in the game
-Implied he sees a big difference in the direction/intensity of practices here vs Seattle
-They asked Avery Williamson about McDougalds comments and he backed them up
https://twitter.com/drewfromjersey/status/1308508133703254019?s=21
Players are starting to speak up (and i'm not talking about players that tried to get themselves traded).....I bet Gase gets fired on the bye week.
Once he loses the locker room, it's game over for him
Post by: mj2sexay on September 22, 2020, 07:01:25 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 22, 2020, 07:04:04 PM
Players are starting to speak up (and i'm not talking about players that tried to get themselves traded).....I bet Gase gets fired on the bye week.
Once he loses the locker room, it's game over for him
I really don't want to wait until week 11.
Post by: MBGreen on September 22, 2020, 07:10:16 PM
I really don't want to wait until week 11.
Nobody does. But it makes the most sense because it'll give the interim coach ample time to make the necessary changes to the staff, game plan, practices etc etc.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 22, 2020, 08:12:13 PM
i think giving sam as much time as possible without gase this season will be very important in planning the future of this team's rebuild.
Post by: reuben on September 22, 2020, 08:35:54 PM
If they go 0-4 off a loss to Denver on a 10 day week, he's gone.
I doubt it. If Bowles survived that Phins game in 2018 when basically every player on the team quit on him then I just don't think a midseason firing is in Chris Johnson's wheelhouse. I don't think executive administration is in Chris Johnson's wheelhouse in any capacity, actually. The first three-day work week Johnson ever put in for the Jets was probably when Gase implored him to scrutinize Duff. After that he went back to the two-day weeks.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2020, 10:32:00 PM
the hiring of gase is a sunk cost at this point
Be me, the night Gase was hired
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2020, 10:33:12 PM
I doubt it. If Bowles survived that Phins game in 2018 when basically every player on the team quit on him then I just don't think a midseason firing is in Chris Johnson's wheelhouse. I don't think executive administration is in Chris Johnson's wheelhouse in any capacity, actually. The first three-day work week Johnson ever put in for the Jets was probably when Gase implored him to scrutinize Duff. After that he went back to the two-day weeks.
Agreed. We’ll see another CJ vote of confidence after week 4. After we beat the Broncos.
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2020, 09:14:12 AM
I don't like the logo. If the change was going to be that minimal just leave it the way it was.I'm used to most changes in life being incremental improvements or substantial downgrades, it's weird and annoying to see something just get slightly worse.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2020, 09:16:21 AM
I have enough of the old gear to never have to buy anything updated
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2020, 09:43:56 AM
I was just listening to Joe and Evan and they said they interviewed McDougald today who said (Joe Beningo paraphrasing so who knows what was actually said):
-The jets are having non-competitive practices and not doing what they need to do in practice to win in the game
-Implied he sees a big difference in the direction/intensity of practices here vs Seattle
-They asked Avery Williamson about McDougalds comments and he backed them up
https://twitter.com/drewfromjersey/status/1308508133703254019?s=21
Actual quotes:
“ In recent days, two veteran defenders have questioned the Jets' practice habits. After the game, S Bradley McDougald told SNY they've had "slow practices and it correlates to the game ... We've yet to have one complete, dominating week of practice." LB Avery Williamson, on WFAN, agreed, saying, "Sometimes, in practice, guys are missing tackles or we're not doing things right. We haven't been as crisp as we should be at times...We don't start fast at practice."
Post by: Heismanberg on September 23, 2020, 09:51:12 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 23, 2020, 10:00:35 AM
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@ConnorJRogers
Some #Jets film thoughts:
-Best game of Quinnen's career
-Becton hype is very real, as impressive as a rookie LT can play
-It is astonishing how conservative/scared the offensive game plan is, one of the most pathetic I have ever seen at NFL level
Post by: Libero_2 on September 23, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
This could be a shot at Gregg Williams too. Ultimately it falls on Gase, but these are two defensive players talking about tempo, missed tackles, etc.
I definitely thought that as well.
Post by: IATA on September 23, 2020, 11:18:22 AM
Can you imagine how much worse the first two weeks would have been for the Jets if Adam Gase wasn’t a brilliant offensive mind?
hhahahahfuck
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 23, 2020, 11:50:40 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2020, 11:50:53 AM
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“If we execute the play called we’ll be fine” - #Jets HC Adam Gase
Post by: Johnny English on September 23, 2020, 12:11:10 PM
Did he actually say that?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 23, 2020, 12:17:22 PM
Did he actually say that?
He's said it numerous times. It's a stupid derriere response.
Cimini keeps asking him about the QB sneak.
Post by: MBGreen on September 23, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
@GaryMyersNY
Can you imagine how much worse the first two weeks would have been for the Jets if Adam Gase wasn’t a brilliant offensive mind?
hhahahahfuck
lmao
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 23, 2020, 08:40:09 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 23, 2020, 09:17:57 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/iymezu/offensive_guru/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share (https://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/iymezu/offensive_guru/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
lolol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2020, 08:33:25 AM
Did he actually say that?
Just saw full quote
Quote
Gase on audibles: "(Darnold) can do a lot of different things. Just certain plays where he doesn’t have freedoms to do certain stuff ... If we execute the play called, we’ll be fine. I know you guys want to get into the whole QB sneak thing, but that’s my prerogative." #Jets
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2020, 08:58:03 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 09:01:08 AM
But he won't and he'll be outta here sooner than later.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2020, 09:12:39 AM
@Michael_Nania
·
38m
Prior to Gase's arrival, the Jets had not started 0-2 with over 150 yards of penalty yardage since 1995.
They have now done that in back-to-back seasons.
I don't need confirmation from McDougald or anyone else on the team to know Gase is running pee poor practices. The penalties say it all.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 24, 2020, 09:27:01 AM
Michael Nania
@Michael_Nania
·
38m
Prior to Gase's arrival, the Jets had not started 0-2 with over 150 yards of penalty yardage since 1995.
They have now done that in back-to-back seasons.
I don't need confirmation from McDougald or anyone else on the team to know Gase is running pee poor practices. The penalties say it all.
Combination of excrement coach and poor talent that's healthy. Burn most of it down.
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2020, 09:48:04 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 27, 2020, 12:22:47 PM
Mort just said on Countdown the internal criticism is mounting on Adam Gase. Good mcnight, Adam.
About freaking time
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2020, 12:40:25 PM
Mort just said on Countdown the internal criticism is mounting on Adam Gase. Good mcnight, Adam.
Here's hoping he is fired by Friday.
In a weird way, a win today or possibly even Thursday might be the worst thing for this franchise.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 12:44:48 PM
Here's hoping he is fired by Friday.I dont think it makes any long-term difference whether Gase is fired now or in the offseason.
In a weird way, a win today or possibly even Thursday might be the worst thing for this franchise.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2020, 12:47:23 PM
I dont think it makes any long-term difference whether Gase is fired now or in the offseason.
It does if it means Sam Darnold progresses without him.
It also does if Sam doesn't progress without him. It means we have broken the guy and we need a new QB.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 01:56:12 PM
I dont think it makes any long-term difference whether Gase is fired now or in the offseason.
Get the Head Coach search started now and see if a fresh play caller makes any difference with the offense
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2020, 06:25:47 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2020, 06:27:24 PM
https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1310358667024388101?s=19
No but that can't be true because lol he lost his credentials and everyone hates him lol
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2020, 06:31:19 PM
@MMehtaNYDN
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3m
Nobody gives up faster than Adam Gase when things aren't optimal.
Six second-half drives:
3 punts
INT
Safety
Turn ball over on downs
Three first downs and 72 total yards in the second half.
#NYJvsIND #TakeFlight
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 06:34:09 PM
Manish MehtaGase gives up on his team way too often. That may be my biggest issue with him other than the lack of results.
@MMehtaNYDN
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3m
Nobody gives up faster than Adam Gase when things aren't optimal.
Six second-half drives:
3 punts
INT
Safety
Turn ball over on downs
Three first downs and 72 total yards in the second half.
#NYJvsIND #TakeFlight
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 06:36:50 PM
https://twitter.com/MMehtaNYDN/status/1310358667024388101?s=19It seems disingenuous to consistently talk about how good he thinks Darnold is and then pin none of the actual results of the offense on him. If Darnold is the best QB in the division as he always says, he should be doing better.
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2020, 06:43:00 PM
Gase gives up on his team way too often. That may be my biggest issue with him other than the lack of results.
one of many issues
Post by: bojanglesman on September 27, 2020, 06:43:31 PM
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2020, 06:44:42 PM
Is there a point in saying he sucks anymore? Everyone knows it. No one wants him to stay. It's happening, just a matter of when.He sucks though
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 06:50:42 PM
Is there a point in saying he sucks anymore? Everyone knows it. No one wants him to stay. It's happening, just a matter of when.Yeah but then who are people going to argue with about Gaae?
Now the arguments should be about Sam.
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2020, 06:55:31 PM
It seems disingenuous to consistently talk about how good he thinks Darnold is and then pin none of the actual results of the offense on him. If Darnold is the best QB in the division as he always says, he should be doing better.
Sam Darnold is younger than Joe Burrow, and has spent his first two seasons in the NFL being coached by Jeremy Bates and Gase/Loggains. I am starting to get really, really freaking annoyed with the "yeah but Darnold bad" narrative when the fact is that despite the revisionist history that you and plenty of others have started to employ about how you really had concerns about Sam all along and he wasn't really the concensus #1 in 2018, he was an elite prospect who any half decent offensive coaching staff could have and should have turned into an absolute freaking star. There's nothing that wasn't or isn't coachable about him, but the Jets have failed to do so in an absolutely spectacular fashion so far.
Post by: MBGreen on September 27, 2020, 06:58:18 PM
Sam Darnold is younger than Joe Burrow, and has spent his first two seasons in the NFL being coached by Jeremy Bates and Gase/Loggains. I am starting to get really, really freaking annoyed with the "yeah but Darnold bad" narrative when the fact is that despite the revisionist history that you and plenty of others have started to employ about how you really had concerns about Sam all along and he wasn't really the concensus #1 in 2018, he was an elite prospect who any half decent offensive coaching staff could have and should have turned into an absolute freaking star. There's nothing that wasn't or isn't coachable about him, but the Jets have failed to do so in an absolutely spectacular fashion so far.
This post should be stapled to a few foreheads on this board....
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2020, 07:00:13 PM
This post should be stapled to a few foreheads on this board....
And while I'm on this particular roll, he's not even halfway through his rookie contract. Looking ahead to drafting the next star prospect to ruin is next level bullshit.
Post by: insanity on September 27, 2020, 07:04:22 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 07:04:25 PM
Yeah but then who are people going to argue with about Gaae?
Now the arguments should be about Sam.
The next step is changing who is running the offense and calling the plays. Change that and see if Darnold improves at all. There’s an opportunity to do that now in-season without having to wait a full year and possibly moving on from Darnold without even giving him that chance.
We can’t bring in 3 new WRs or a new OL, so it’s really the only change we can make.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 27, 2020, 07:39:06 PM
Even if the Jets win Thursday, they have to look like a completely different team with far better coaching to make any argument it's not time to change
They'd have 10 days to implement a change in the offense, and let's be real, no matter how sginifcant the changes, the offensive gameplan is garbage now so does it even matter?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
There's nothing that wasn't or isn't coachable about him, but the Jets have failed to do so in an absolutely spectacular fashion so far.
You can't coach out the yips sometimes. Harbaugh was able to do it with Alex Smith...
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2020, 07:41:39 PM
The next step is changing who is running the offense and calling the plays. Change that and see if Darnold improves at all. There’s an opportunity to do that now in-season without having to wait a full year and possibly moving on from Darnold without even giving him that chance.Gimme the Cooter
We can’t bring in 3 new WRs or a new OL, so it’s really the only change we can make.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 27, 2020, 07:46:29 PM
Yeah but then who are people going to argue with about Gaae?
Now the arguments should be about Sam.
you're the only one on the board that defends Gase...so you.
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2020, 07:49:41 PM
You can't coach out the yips sometimes. Harbaugh was able to do it with Alex Smith...
We at least owe it to him to try. It's abundantly clear that Gase and Loggains are not helping him at all.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 27, 2020, 07:50:51 PM
We at least owe it to him to try. It's abundantly clear that Gase and Loggains are not helping him at all.
Add Joe D to this as well. He's got $30M in cap space, but doing nothing to help Sam...unless it's #TankForTrevor
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
Sam Darnold is younger than Joe Burrow, and has spent his first two seasons in the NFL being coached by Jeremy Bates and Gase/Loggains. I am starting to get really, really freaking annoyed with the "yeah but Darnold bad" narrative when the fact is that despite the revisionist history that you and plenty of others have started to employ about how you really had concerns about Sam all along and he wasn't really the concensus #1 in 2018, he was an elite prospect who any half decent offensive coaching staff could have and should have turned into an absolute freaking star. There's nothing that wasn't or isn't coachable about him, but the Jets have failed to do so in an absolutely spectacular fashion so far.Couple things...
1. If Sam were tbe consensus #1, he would have gone #1. The majority of media had him #1. But then 2 teams passed on him that needed quarterbacks.
2. The part in bold is insane. Top 5 picks bust all the time for a variety of reasons. Some even bust with good coaching staffs.
3. How many years do we need before we can criticize Darnold? Nobody is saying to bench him. But I need to see more this year. I am hoping we see that when Perriman, Mims, Crowder and Smith return. If Sam succeeds, that is the best thing for the future of the Jets. We all want that. But I think we can start to be a little more critical. We all know the supporting cast sucks, including the staff.
The bar for Sam to keep his job next year is to have a mediocre or better year and win enough games to avoid the #1 pick. That's it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 07:51:16 PM
you're the only one on the board that defends Gase...so you.Please show me where I defended Gase since week 1. I will wait.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 07:52:47 PM
The next step is changing who is running the offense and calling the plays. Change that and see if Darnold improves at all. There’s an opportunity to do that now in-season without having to wait a full year and possibly moving on from Darnold without even giving him that chance.That is fair. I think playcalling in general is overrated but Gase clearly isn't coming back barring a miracle, so if we want to try a new playcaller, that's fine.
We can’t bring in 3 new WRs or a new OL, so it’s really the only change we can make.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 27, 2020, 08:05:21 PM
Please show me where I defended Gase since week 1. I will wait.
I dont see a way he lasts to next aeason.
I don't think a mid-season firing will help much of anything but maybe a new voice in Darnold's ear could help us evaluate him as others have said. Really, I'm just sick of this garbage. Gase gets too much blame but I've seen nothing from him that gives confidence.
Here you go...
The team is non-competitive and he gets "too much blame"? He's the freaking HEAD COACH.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
Gase needs to go but a new coach is just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic until we get more talent.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 08:34:42 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 08:35:25 PM
My point is the problems go deeper than Gase. Gase is not helping, but some people act like if we removed Gase, we would be competitive with this roster. Only Sam gets that excuse.
Gase needs to go but a new coach is just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic until we get more talent.
I don’t think this is a real argument. Everyone here is painfully aware our roster sucks.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 08:37:33 PM
That is fair. I think playcalling in general is overrated but Gase clearly isn't coming back barring a miracle, so if we want to try a new playcaller, that's fine.
I hate Gase’s scheme in general. I don’t know that a new OC would install a new playbook, but I’m freaking begging for anything different than what were currently seeing.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 27, 2020, 08:42:41 PM
Gimme the CooterThat was my best line in high school. Never worked.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 10:43:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2020, 05:50:59 AM
The more I think about the Gase hire and performance that I fully expected the more it pisses me off, it would do a lot for my mental health if we could move on sooner rather than laterIt's a bandaid on a gushing wound, but it's something.
Post by: MBGreen on September 28, 2020, 06:52:31 AM
The more I think about the Gase hire and performance that I fully expected the more it pisses me off, it would do a lot for my mental health if we could move on sooner rather than later
put some syrup on your pancakes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2020, 08:47:21 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 08:58:00 AM
Adam Gase's 2019-20 Jets are the first team in NFL history to have back-to-back seasons starting 0-3 with under 20 points and 300 yards in each game
I think that he has a lot more in him as a head coach than some of our fans are giving him credit for.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 09:05:18 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 28, 2020, 09:52:36 AM
It wound up being a run up the gut by Gore for no gain
Please stop with the idea that Gase isn't a problem. The playcalling is absolutely a problem. If I can see the play coming from my couch, professional coaches and defenders can too
Post by: Heismanberg on September 28, 2020, 10:06:50 AM
1. We can’t pass protect inside
2. We can’t run the football
3. Our WRs can’t consistently separate
4. Our QB can’t go through his progressions
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 28, 2020, 10:18:29 AM
We cannot effectively run play action because:
1. We can’t pass protect inside
2. We can’t run the football
3. Our WRs can’t consistently separate
4. Our QB can’t go through his progressions
So the better answer is to run the ball when it's blatantly obvious that's what they're doing?
Even if the playaction fails, it's showing the defense something out of the obvious. That has value, no?
Post by: insanity on September 28, 2020, 12:46:35 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/damienwoody/status/1310352088598151171?s=20
"I'm gonna go eat some ice cream"
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 28, 2020, 01:04:55 PM
This was very entertaining
https://mobile.twitter.com/damienwoody/status/1310352088598151171?s=20
"I'm gonna go eat some ice cream"
"Gonna call 'em the Newport Jets. Out here gettin' smoked every week."
Preach DWood
Post by: delavan on September 28, 2020, 02:03:37 PM
Post by: reuben on September 28, 2020, 03:43:38 PM
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“I have been told that the New York #Jets owners have reached out to an agent to ask about coaching possibilities. Thursday is my guess... Adam Gase’s last day as a New York Jets head coach.” - @ColinCowherd
Post by: Libero_2 on September 28, 2020, 03:51:48 PM
Is that suggesting we are going to hire OUTSIDE the organization to man the rest of the season?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 28, 2020, 04:00:03 PM
Is that suggesting we are going to hire OUTSIDE the organization to man the rest of the season?
I don't care...anyone but Gase
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 04:02:53 PM
Is that suggesting we are going to hire OUTSIDE the organization to man the rest of the season?
The only coach I can think of currently watching games on his sofa on Sundays is Hue Jackson.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 04:04:02 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 04:05:28 PM
- Brad Childress
- Jeff Fisher
- Bill Cowher
Post by: Libero_2 on September 28, 2020, 04:07:08 PM
No wait a minute there's more:
- Brad Childress
- Jeff Fisher
- Bill Cowher
Bill Cowher coming out of the booth to whip these asshats into shape? I’d take that. But no chance in hell Cowher would risk tarnishing his legacy for our POS team
Post by: insanity on September 28, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
Either that or just starting to build the candidate pool early.I think this is the case
Post by: Libero_2 on September 28, 2020, 04:09:35 PM
Either that or just starting to build the candidate pool early.
Given that Gase still has a job and it’s week 4, I can’t imagine this makes tons of sense. It’s not like we need to build a list to get ahead of things right now. We are the only ones looking.
But obviously that makes far more sense if Gase has already been informed he is being relieved of duty on Friday no matter what.
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 04:15:04 PM
Given that Gase still has a job and it’s week 4, I can’t imagine this makes tons of sense. It’s not like we need to build a list to get ahead of things right now. We are the only ones looking.
Have to think that Atlanta, Detroit, and possibly Minnesota, Jacksonville and Houston will be some way down that road as well.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2020, 04:23:28 PM
That being said, I expect us to lose Thursday, fire Gase Friday, and Greggggggg runs the show the rest of the year.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 28, 2020, 04:31:43 PM
Have to think that Atlanta, Detroit, and possibly Minnesota, Jacksonville and Houston will be some way down that road as well.
Of course, but my point was that we can’t hire anybody till the season over and I can’t imagine we will run interviews during our bye week (or maybe theirs?)
Whatever idc just get that mother fucker out of here
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 28, 2020, 05:46:06 PM
I'd be at least as happy as the day Parcells took over, maybe more
It's not gonna happen
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2020, 05:53:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 06:43:19 PM
LoL why in hell would Cowher leave a cushy studio job for the Jets?
I'd be at least as happy as the day Parcells took over, maybe more
It's not gonna happen
I wasn't suggesting it was, I was trying to come up with people who the pedigree to do the job and aren't currently doing a job for another team.
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 06:43:32 PM
Why would anyone want Cowher? Dude has been out of the league for 13 years.
Chucky syndrome
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 06:54:35 PM
Have to think that Atlanta, Detroit, and possibly Minnesota, Jacksonville and Houston will be some way down that road as well.
This is what I was thinking. There are about to be more than a few job openings. I also don't think we can hire someone from outside the organization, even for an interim job unless we go through a formal interview process and comply with the Rooeye Rule.
I can't think of a case where a team has hired a coach from outside the organization to finish off a season.
Of course, but my point was that we can’t hire anybody till the season over and I can’t imagine we will run interviews during our bye week (or maybe theirs?)
Whatever idc just get that mother fucker out of here
I wasn't insinuating we would be running interviews, just determining if potential candidates had interest in taking the job next year. Not sure what that triggers in terms of tampering measures, if any, though.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 07:02:12 PM
Colin Cowherd isn't exactly a good source. Probably just saying stuff that's likely to happen anyway.
There’s also this.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 28, 2020, 07:56:58 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2020, 08:22:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 08:27:39 PM
I can't imagine we are hiring someone outside of the organization as head coach now. Probably coming up with guys who can work with Cooter or Gregg.
Actually that makes a bunch of sense. Take the HC and whatever Loggains supposedly is out of the org, if you promote internally to replace them then you need to backfill.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 08:34:14 PM
Actually that makes a bunch of sense. Take the HC and whatever Loggains supposedly is out of the org, if you promote internally to replace them then you need to backfill.
So get someone come in at the coordinator/position coach level? That could make more sense.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2020, 08:52:59 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 09:14:02 PM
Hiring a QB coach would be a genius freaking idea
GTFO with your radical ideas
Post by: Libero_2 on September 28, 2020, 09:35:58 PM
Hiring a QB coach would be a genius freaking idea
Who the hell is sitting at home that’s any good? Jeremy Bates?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 28, 2020, 09:36:43 PM
So the better answer is to run the ball when it's blatantly obvious that's what they're doing?
Even if the playaction fails, it's showing the defense something out of the obvious. That has value, no?
Not if Sam is taking 11 yard losses on sacks
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 10:08:45 PM
1. The ability to block
2. A running game that opponents actually respect
The Jets have 0 of these.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2020, 10:10:51 PM
lol
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 10:26:06 PM
https://twitter.com/robbysabo/status/1310772249071439873?s=21
lol
3. A QB who can actually sell play action.
Post by: delavan on September 29, 2020, 01:08:42 AM
3. A QB who can actually sell play action.
Bring in Chad to school Sam? Pennington was great at this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/sports/football/jets-pennington-leads-by-misleading.html
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 29, 2020, 05:12:32 AM
Bring in Chad to school Sam? Pennington was great at this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/sports/football/jets-pennington-leads-by-misleading.html
i appreciate you bringing up a 2004 article about chad, my favorite jet qb ever
Post by: Libero_2 on September 29, 2020, 06:12:44 AM
3. A QB who can actually sell play action.
And I’d put this stuff on coaching as well. How is it when they sit down in meetings/film review is this not a point of emphasis? “Sam look at how early you are pulling the ball, no ones gonna but that excrement” should be hammered home. Add in that we haven’t run hardly any PA in the past few years and you have to think that’s not any semblance of emphasis out on it in coaching
Does he need to be as flawless as Aaron Rodgers or Chad Pennington at it? No, but Jesus at least make him practice it.
Post by: MBGreen on September 29, 2020, 07:26:03 AM
https://twitter.com/robbysabo/status/1310772249071439873?s=21
lol
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Damien Woody
@damienwoody
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4m
biggest thing is your first 10-15 plays are scripted so that’s a huge indictment on either scheme or preparedness by players
this is Damien Woody's response to that tweet...and it's bang on.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2020, 10:15:55 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 29, 2020, 02:19:10 PM
Yep. Can't have miscommunications on the first play of the freaking game. That should be practiced all week if it's scripted. Granted, maybe the players are just morons.
maybe the coach is autistic
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 29, 2020, 03:23:19 PM
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/29/jets-deny-report-that-christopher-johnson-has-reached-out-to-coaching-agents/
Jets deny reaching out to coaching agents
Post by: Libero_2 on September 29, 2020, 04:02:14 PM
Jets deny reaching out to coaching agentsWhat are they supposed to say?
Here's hoping Gase is out of a job on Friday either way.
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2020, 04:05:16 PM
Jets deny reaching out to coaching agents
Technically, the Jets deny Chris Johnson reaching out to agents. They didn't say anything about Joe Douglas, who presumably speaks to agents every day in the normal course of his job, and who could in fact have told any one of them that they should call Chris Johnson. Which would make the Jets' statement that Chris Johnson is not reaching out to agents completely correct.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2020, 10:08:53 AM
I freaking KNEW IT
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 30, 2020, 10:20:52 AM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1311296063765184512?s=21Drives me freaking nuts.
I freaking KNEW IT
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2020, 11:14:05 AM
Hurr durr I knew it
Post by: MBGreen on September 30, 2020, 11:19:18 AM
https://twitter.com/pff_steve/status/1311312389925736448?s=21
Hurr durr I knew it
#BrilliantOffensiveMindSZN
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 30, 2020, 11:44:02 AM
https://twitter.com/pff_steve/status/1311312389925736448?s=21
Hurr durr I knew it
Gase is afraid the player will injure themselves while going in motion
Post by: mj2sexay on September 30, 2020, 11:44:38 AM
Gase is afraid the player will injure themselves while going in motion
For the quarter and a half he had Quincy, it was probably true.
Post by: Johnny English on September 30, 2020, 11:51:20 AM
As the one person on the hire Gase train, I'll be sure to bump this thread after the first 11-5 season.
mj2sexay either gets to be a smug freak or looks like a know nothing poopchute in about a year.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 30, 2020, 12:50:33 PM
First few pages of this thread make fun reading. Sorry to pick on you mj, but you put it out there...
Oooof.
What can I say, I saw a guy leave a toxic organization at 23-25 without having his chosen quarterback for about a third of those games. I didn't realize their personnel was light years ahead of ours, nor did I see his rigidity in being completely unable to tailor what he's doing to the limitations of his roster. Some of the excrement you can't scheme around (last years offensive line, Sam's mono). Some of it is just being stubborn and lacking innovation.
If only Harbaugh took the money and left Michigan, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I'm certainly not opposed to Bieniemy but I look forward to asking how his situation wasn't even more cushy then Gase as an o-coordinator via getting dragged to success.
If a mysterious/anonymous stranger hadn't fucked with my avatar, I'd be stuck with having Gase on it.
Post by: Johnny English on September 30, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
If a mysterious/anonymous stranger hadn't fucked with my avatar, I'd be stuck with having Gase on it.
What an poopchute.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 30, 2020, 01:24:45 PM
Oooof.And that's why I was willing to give Gase another chance after 7-9 last year. 23-25 with Miami is about what their roster should have delivered. 7-9 last year is about what our roster should have delivered. He wasn't overachieving, but he wasn't underachieving. There were bad signs, certainly, but many of those could be excused to things out of his control.
What can I say, I saw a guy leave a toxic organization at 23-25 without having his chosen quarterback for about a third of those games. I didn't realize their personnel was light years ahead of ours, nor did I see his rigidity in being completely unable to tailor what he's doing to the limitations of his roster. Some of the excrement you can't scheme around (last years offensive line, Sam's mono). Some of it is just being stubborn and lacking innovation.
Post by: MBGreen on September 30, 2020, 01:27:39 PM
And that's why I was willing to give Gase another chance after 7-9 last year. 23-25 with Miami is about what their roster should have delivered. 7-9 last year is about what our roster should have delivered. He wasn't overachieving, but he wasn't underachieving. There were bad signs, certainly, but many of those could be excused to things out of his control.
we were 7-9 last year because of our marshmallow schedule. The bulk of our wins came against teams worse than us in the standings. And to top it off, we still lost to 2 winless teams half way through the season.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 30, 2020, 02:53:15 PM
And that's why I was willing to give Gase another chance after 7-9 last year. 23-25 with Miami is about what their roster should have delivered. 7-9 last year is about what our roster should have delivered. He wasn't overachieving, but he wasn't underachieving. There were bad signs, certainly, but many of those could be excused to things out of his control.
See, that's a matter of perspective
Tannehill is kind of proving Gase did underachieve
I can't legitimately make the argument that the Jets have a good roster, but is it really as bad as it performs under Gase? I think it's a reasonable question and it was last year too
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 30, 2020, 03:04:36 PM
See, that's a matter of perspective
Tannehill is kind of proving Gase did underachieve
I can't legitimately make the argument that the Jets have a good roster, but is it really as bad as it performs under Gase? I think it's a reasonable question and it was last year too
Hard to base everything on one player who is on another team. Any number of factors could have led to Tannehill doing well in Tennessee, like a giant RB steamrolling everyone in the playoffs.
Last year the Jets could have fallen apart and played better in the second half, so one year like that is also not a lot to go by. I didn't love the hire either, but once the guy is here you can't fire him after eight games or even one year. If you do you're going to have a real hard time getting anyone worthwhile to take the job, especially with this roster, Sam notwithstanding, you'd have to be nuts. If this year continues on like this it's a no brainer and much more justifiable.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 30, 2020, 03:38:47 PM
Hard to base everything on one player who is on another team. Any number of factors could have led to Tannehill doing well in Tennessee, like a giant RB steamrolling everyone in the playoffs.
Last year the Jets could have fallen apart and played better in the second half, so one year like that is also not a lot to go by. I didn't love the hire either, but once the guy is here you can't fire him after eight games or even one year. If you do you're going to have a real hard time getting anyone worthwhile to take the job, especially with this roster, Sam notwithstanding, you'd have to be nuts. If this year continues on like this it's a no brainer and much more justifiable.
The problem is it isn’t just one guy though.
There was a hashtag trending topic on Twitter a couple of weeks ago (after week 2 I believe) looking at the stat lines of all these guys after getting away from Gase
Mike Gesicki
Davante Parker
Jamal Adams
Ryan Tannehill
Kenyan Drake
Jarvis Landry
Robbie Anderson
And I’m sure A few others I can’t remember at the moment, but all guys who are flourishing in their post Gase lives
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 30, 2020, 04:00:37 PM
The problem is it isn’t just one guy though.
There was a hashtag trending topic on Twitter a couple of weeks ago (after week 2 I believe) looking at the stat lines of all these guys after getting away from Gase
Mike Gesicki
Davante Parker
Jamal Adams
Ryan Tannehill
Kenyan Drake
Jarvis Landry
Robbie Anderson
And I’m sure A few others I can’t remember at the moment, but all guys who are flourishing in their post Gase lives
Don't have time to analyze all these, but Robbie Anderson? He was good here and he's been gone for 3 games. You can take all kinds of things and build any case you want, there's a lot of variables in football. I go by what we're doing here, I look at 1-7 and then 6-2 last year, now 0-3. Start there, because that's the point of playing the games, to win.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 30, 2020, 09:48:37 PM
we were 7-9 last year because of our marshmallow schedule. The bulk of our wins came against teams worse than us in the standings. And to top it off, we still lost to 2 winless teams half way through the season.Our over/under was 7.5. We won 7 games with our QB getting mono.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2020, 06:34:39 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 01, 2020, 06:48:16 AM
https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1311624302349946880?s=10
I almost threw up in my mouth when I read this.
Highly disappointing.
Here's to hoping Cowherd's sources are more credible. He did break the Brady to TB news first.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 06:51:27 AM
I almost threw up in my mouth when I read this.He's not getting fired this week barring some sort of historic meltdown. No one believes Colin Cowherd has a source.
Highly disappointing.
Here's to hoping Cowherd's sources are more credible. He did break the Brady to TB news first.
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 07:32:03 AM
Our over/under was 7.5. We won 7 games with our QB getting mono.
M-A-R-S-H-M-A-L-L-O-W S-C-H-E-D-U-L-E
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 07:47:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/xF0qb1x.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 08:31:54 AM
/shittake
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 01, 2020, 08:37:56 AM
If we fire Gase at some point during the season, what will it really accomplish besides making the fans happy? Will anything be better with the team than just waiting and firing him at the end of the year? Only thing I can see is maybe a short-lived shot in the arm to get us a few wins (maybe) that we quickly forget at season's end, besides wishing we didn't have those wins come draft time. It's not like we will suddenly become a top 15 offense with a temporary offensive staff. I don't know that having someone new will make a difference in Sam this year. He'll either run the same excrement offense with a different coach or have to learn some simple vanilla offense on the fly. Maybe the best thing is just to watch it burn down.
/shittake
Darnold looked better as a rookie under Jeremy Bates. I would like to see how he performs under ANYONE ELSE besides Gase and his flunky calling the plays.
#GimmieTheCooter
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2020, 08:51:28 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2020, 08:56:11 AM
We’re already talking about approaching the point of no return with Sam Darnold. How would firing the coach he’s clearly struggling under set him back at all?
Exactly. This talk in the Rap story about "the Jets want to see if he can turn it around" does nothing to make me less concerned about Johnson. What have they seen that makes them think he can turn it around? Are they not watching the games? There is not a single encouraging sign - we have actually regressed from last season. What can they base hopes of a U turn on other than blind faith?
When you're in a hole, at some point you have to stop digging.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 08:58:48 AM
We’re already talking about approaching the point of no return with Sam Darnold. How would firing the coach he’s clearly struggling under set him back at all?
I'm not saying that we shouldn't fire Gase, I'm just saying that I don't expect anything to be any better after he's fired. At the end of the year, I don't think there would be any appreciable difference in how the season goes either way. That being said, I'd be happy to see Cooter run the offense, even if just to use the word cooter over and over again. It's a fun word. Kind of like lady garden. I also think we should keep Towel Ramrod on staff after firing Gase, just for the fun of it. He would have no duties other than to scamper around the sideline.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 09:01:14 AM
Exactly. This talk in the Rap story about "the Jets want to see if he can turn it around" does nothing to make me less concerned about Johnson. What have they seen that makes them think he can turn it around? Are they not watching the games? There is not a single encouraging sign - we have actually regressed from last season. What can they base hopes of a U turn on other than blind faith?
When you're in a hole, at some point you have to stop digging.
I think Gase has pics of Johnson freaking a goat.
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2020, 09:05:16 AM
I'm not saying that we shouldn't fire Gase, I'm just saying that I don't expect anything to be any better after he's fired. At the end of the year, I don't think there would be any appreciable difference in how the season goes either way. That being said, I'd be happy to see Cooter run the offense, even if just to use the word cooter over and over again. It's a fun word. Kind of like lady garden. I also think we should keep Towel Ramrod on staff after firing Gase, just for the fun of it. He would have no duties other than to scamper around the sideline.
I don't really care about the W/L column, but having someone else take responsibility for working every day with Sam and calling the plays on Sunday are my two main concerns. They're the two main things that Gase and his idiot lapdog are supposed to be here for, and they're the two biggest problems with the team.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2020, 09:06:36 AM
I'm not saying that we shouldn't fire Gase, I'm just saying that I don't expect anything to be any better after he's fired. At the end of the year, I don't think there would be any appreciable difference in how the season goes either way. That being said, I'd be happy to see Cooter run the offense, even if just to use the word cooter over and over again. It's a fun word. Kind of like lady garden. I also think we should keep Towel Ramrod on staff after firing Gase, just for the fun of it. He would have no duties other than to scamper around the sideline.
You don’t expect anything to get better-
What gives us the greater chance for things to change:
Riding the season out with Gase or replacing the lead voice in the locker room, coaching Sam, and calling the plays?
Because right now we are last in the league across the board, so just about any change would have to be positive. If it gets worse (who cares at this point?), it just goes further to secure that #1 pick everyone is banking the future of our franchise on.
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 09:10:51 AM
I don't really care about the W/L column, but having someone else take responsibility for working every day with Sam and calling the plays on Sunday are my two main concerns. They're the two main things that Gase and his idiot lapdog are supposed to be here for, and they're the two biggest problems with the team.
Frankly...i don't trust anyone on this staff to turn the tide with Sam (that's including ol Jim Bob). We really need this season to end ASAP.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 09:19:44 AM
You don’t expect anything to get better-
What gives us the greater chance for things to change:
Riding the season out with Gase or replacing the lead voice in the locker room, coaching Sam, and calling the plays?
Because right now we are last in the league across the board, so just about any change would have to be positive. If it gets worse (who cares at this point?), it just goes further to secure that #1 pick everyone is banking the future of our franchise on.
Firing Gase gives us the best chance, and is what should be done. I'm just saying we still suck afterwards.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 09:20:51 AM
It always seemed optimistic to get Gase out of here in Week 4. Timing with the schedule works out, but firing him 3 weeks after Christopher praised him so much was probably unrealistic.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2020, 09:29:03 AM
Adam Gase - 29
Hue Jackson - 21
Todd Bowles - 17
Jay Gruden - 17
Jon Gruden - 16
Doug Marrone - 16
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 09:30:25 AM
HCs with most losses by 10+ points since 2016
Adam Gase - 29
Hue Jackson - 21
Todd Bowles - 17
Jay Gruden - 17
Jon Gruden - 16
Doug Marrone - 16
Hue Jackson confirmed- HC of NYJ.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2020, 09:31:23 AM
Like I said, I don't think it makes a ton of difference if Gase is fired now or the end of the season. I don't know enough to have a firm judgment on whether or not that would help or hurt Sam. Even if the coaching isn't good, does getting rid of that coaching for Cooter, who might be a worse coach, make things better? I don't know.
It always seemed optimistic to get Gase out of here in Week 4. Timing with the schedule works out, but firing him 3 weeks after Christopher praised him so much was probably unrealistic.
Do I need to pull the stats on Cooter’s offenses vs. Gases?
I don’t think Cooter is a good coach, but we’re wringing our hands about getting rid of a coach who has consistently shown hes responsible for a bad offense on the field- year after year, game after game. Again, tough to get worse. Tough to care if we actually do get worse because this season is dead to me.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 09:51:48 AM
Do I need to pull the stats on Cooter’s offenses vs. Gases?
I don’t think Cooter is a good coach, but we’re wringing our hands about getting rid of a coach who has consistently shown hes responsible for a bad offense on the field- year after year, game after game. Again, tough to get worse. Tough to care if we actually do get worse because this season is dead to me.
I agree.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 01, 2020, 09:52:59 AM
Do I need to pull the stats on Cooter’s offenses vs. Gases?
I don’t think Cooter is a good coach, but we’re wringing our hands about getting rid of a coach who has consistently shown hes responsible for a bad offense on the field- year after year, game after game. Again, tough to get worse. Tough to care if we actually do get worse because this season is dead to me.
THIS
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 01, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
Like I said, I don't think it makes a ton of difference if Gase is fired now or the end of the season. I don't know enough to have a firm judgment on whether or not that would help or hurt Sam. Even if the coaching isn't good, does getting rid of that coaching for Cooter, who might be a worse coach, make things better? I don't know.
It always seemed optimistic to get Gase out of here in Week 4. Timing with the schedule works out, but firing him 3 weeks after Christopher praised him so much was probably unrealistic.
Could not disagree more.
Our offense can't get worse. I'd like to see Darnold operate the offense under someone who isn't the owner of the WORST OFFENSE IN FOOTBALL.
Will it happen? Who knows? But do I want to see this freaking poopchute off our sidelines ASAP, hell yes.
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 09:59:59 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 01, 2020, 10:13:34 AM
The gameplan is terrible, players have talked about how bad practice is, and the results on game day are obvious--they're getting blown out in games they're out of in the first quarter. We don't even need to bring up Gase's history elsewhere at this point
Most concerning though, is what is Joe Douglas thinking? If the organization isn't considering a change then Joe isn't making that case to Chris. Why? Does he believe in Adam? Is he scared? Loyal to Gase for getting him the job? Whatever the reason, it's bad management. I've given Douglas a pass on a poor offseason because there's so much to fix, but my confidence isn't strong right now
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2020, 10:24:33 AM
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According to those informed of the decision-making, the thinking is that firing Gase would not only be counterproductive in general, but also potentially damaging to quarterback Sam Darnold.
Like, how? How would firing the architect of his demise somehow damage him more? I would be fascinated to know what good they think they are doing to him here.
It's a bit like if you owned a Formula One team and you had a shiny new car and you were really excited about how fast and competitive it was going to be, and then you hired MBGreen as the driver for its first season. Then when you finish bottom of the Constructors' Championship with zero driver points and a bunch of early race retirements you fire MB and hire me as the driver for the next season, and once again finish bottom, but you convince yourself that the problem was actually the pit crew and the tires, so you keep me on as driver and now in the third season as you become even less competitive you start wondering whether the car was actually any good at all despite never having put anyone behind the wheel who has the skills to drive it in a vaguely competent fashion.
This whole "maybe Sam Darnold isn't actually that good after all" storyline is so much bullshit because he has been continually and consistently put in a position where the only thing he can do is fail. It is gross mismanagement of the very highest order, and keeping Gase on is compounding that. It's genuinely offensive.
Post by: Laxin on October 01, 2020, 10:33:24 AM
I just can't get my head round this bit from the Rap story:
Yeah I read this and had to do a double take.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 10:34:57 AM
Now, if you think Gase is actively hurting Darnold's development, then you make the move. Maybe that's the case, but none of us can concretely say that since we're not there. You can cite stats and whatever you want to tell me Gase sucks. Clearly, he's not doing a good job, and I agree he sucks. I know the counter-argument is "How much worse can it possibly get" but it can always get worse.
I know we all hate Gase, but firing him and replacing him with nobody, or someone that the NFL didn't think was good enough to have a job this year, is also risky.
The decision should be based on who we think can better develop Sam this year: Gase/Loggains or Cooter/random guy out of a job. They are two terrible options, but they are our options.
I'm not opposed to firing him, but firing him could absolutely damage Darnold. Maybe it helps him, but maybe it hurts him. I understand wanting to roll the dice and trying something new, but it could easily get worse.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 01, 2020, 11:55:18 AM
I think it's pretty simple to understand. We have a young quarterback in need of coaching. Firing the guys coaching him is a risky decision.
Now, if you think Gase is actively hurting Darnold's development, then you make the move. Maybe that's the case, but none of us can concretely say that since we're not there. You can cite stats and whatever you want to tell me Gase sucks. Clearly, he's not doing a good job, and I agree he sucks. I know the counter-argument is "How much worse can it possibly get" but it can always get worse.
I know we all hate Gase, but firing him and replacing him with nobody, or someone that the NFL didn't think was good enough to have a job this year, is also risky.
The decision should be based on who we think can better develop Sam this year: Gase/Loggains or Cooter/random guy out of a job. They are two terrible options, but they are our options.
I'm not opposed to firing him, but firing him could absolutely damage Darnold. Maybe it helps him, but maybe it hurts him. I understand wanting to roll the dice and trying something new, but it could easily get worse.
No...no it cannot.
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2020, 12:21:32 PM
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/84340/winless-jets-have-four-flat-tires-and-adam-gase-might-not-be-spared
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 01, 2020, 01:07:09 PM
Firing Gase gives us the best chance, and is what should be done. I'm just saying we still suck afterwards.
Like I said, I don't think it makes a ton of difference if Gase is fired now or the end of the season. I don't know enough to have a firm judgment on whether or not that would help or hurt Sam. Even if the coaching isn't good, does getting rid of that coaching for Cooter, who might be a worse coach, make things better? I don't know.
It always seemed optimistic to get Gase out of here in Week 4. Timing with the schedule works out, but firing him 3 weeks after Christopher praised him so much was probably unrealistic.
I agree, there's no quick fix aside from making the fans feel like we did something. Probably best to ride the season out and see what happens.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2020, 01:22:50 PM
This season is toast, and so is this team. As long as Gase is gone by Black Monday, that's all that matters. Sam isn't going to do a total 180 with anyone taking over for Gase during the season...let's be realistic.
The only important things worth monitoring this season are the new HC search and whether or not Darnold is salvageable. Throwing him in the trash, basically refusing to evaluate him, and then banking on getting the #1 pick is a horrendous strategy.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 01, 2020, 01:39:02 PM
The only important things worth monitoring this season are the new HC search and whether or not Darnold is salvageable. Throwing him in the trash, basically refusing to evaluate him, and then banking on getting the #1 pick is a horrendous strategy.
I wouldn't do that even if we get the #1 pick and take Lawrence. He's here and on a rookie contract, we're under no obligation to get rid of him for a while.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 02:50:38 PM
The only important things worth monitoring this season are the new HC search and whether or not Darnold is salvageable. Throwing him in the trash, basically refusing to evaluate him, and then banking on getting the #1 pick is a horrendous strategy.We're not banking on the No. 1 pick. We are just preparing for that possibility because the team has been the worst in the NFL thus far, and Sam has not been helping.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 01, 2020, 02:56:57 PM
We're not banking on the No. 1 pick. We are just preparing for that possibility because the team has been the worst in the NFL thus far, and Sam has not been helping.
He hasn't been great, but we've done a pee poor job of building a team around him...could not be worse. Couple that with an atrocious coach, and this is what you get. REGRESSION
Sam will have had better numbers his rookie year than this year. Why you ask? Because he had better talent around him and he didn't have Gase.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 01, 2020, 03:04:57 PM
REGRESSION
I keep seeing this word thrown around when it comes to Sam Darnold.
He is not regressing. He just isn't getting any better. He is still making tons of rookie level mistakes. He is wildly inconsistent and inaccurate.
There's still time for him to turn it around as it's only Week 3, but his door is closing quickly.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 01, 2020, 03:13:42 PM
I keep seeing this word thrown around when it comes to Sam Darnold.
He is not regressing. He just isn't getting any better. He is still making tons of rookie level mistakes. He is wildly inconsistent and inaccurate.
There's still time for him to turn it around as it's only Week 3, but his door is closing quickly.
For me, it's the eye test and he's getting worse. I've seen what he can do...He's had flashes of being a very good QB.
Haven't seen that at all this year.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 01, 2020, 05:39:39 PM
I think it's pretty simple to understand. We have a young quarterback in need of coaching. Firing the guys coaching him is a risky decision.
i think there's a mountain of evidence to support the fact that these guys are not actually coaching him, and not coaching him the way a young QB is supposed to be coached.
i can't make this assumption 100% given that all i can see is what they see/do on the sidelines during the game and obviously a lot can happen behind the scenes. but given the regression we have seen from darnold over the last two seasons, gase's mannerisms on the sideline in situations where in-game adjustments are needed (and all he does is fcking look down at his play sheet for answers) or in situations where players/units need to be spoken to for whatever reason (i.e. speaking about mistakes and/or motivation where all he does is still look down at his playsheet for answers), i wouldn't be surprised if gase's coaching methods consisted of something like:
Gase: 'Sam, here all of the great plays I scripted for the first few drives of the game. Learn them, we'll run them and let's see what happens'
Gase's only concern any time this team has faced dilemma this season has been to continually look down at the playsheet looking for the answer.
I think it would do Sam a mountain of good to be freed from the current coaching setup/structure and be placed under the guidance of a new face who may approach his development differently, even factoring in the very high likelihood that things are still going to suck after.
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2020, 08:39:21 PM
Gase has already shown you everything you need to know about whether he is worth keeping around. Recklessly risking the health of the franchise's 2 most important players because he's clearly desperate to win this game. Selfish
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 08:43:42 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 01, 2020, 09:14:46 PM
Putting Darnold back in on 3rd and 5 was really stupid.
it is indefensible/inexcusable, careless, negligent
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2020, 10:09:18 PM
Post by: Laxin on October 01, 2020, 10:52:32 PM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1311832072399581186?s=21
That was the play after he got hurt, no? Didn’t even seem like he could lift his arm up at that point let alone throw the ball
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 10:56:14 PM
Post by: IATA on October 01, 2020, 10:56:47 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 11:21:29 PM
@Michael_Nania
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This is Gase's fifth loss to a winless team with the Jets (post-W1)
2019:
Browns (0-1)
Dolphins (0-7)
Bengals (0-11)
2020:
49ers (0-1)
Broncos (0-3)
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 11:27:52 PM
@Michael_Nania
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Of Gase's 11 post-Week 1 losses with the Jets, 8 of them were against teams that entered the game with a record of .500 or worse
Post by: Libero_2 on October 01, 2020, 11:28:45 PM
Michael Nania
@Michael_Nania
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1m
This is Gase's fifth loss to a winless team with the Jets (post-W1)
2019:
Browns (0-1)
Dolphins (0-7)
Bengals (0-11)
2020:
49ers (0-1)
Broncos (0-3)
Does he have any other opportunities to get that this year? I’m sure given another chance he can get that number up!
Post by: Libero_2 on October 01, 2020, 11:29:27 PM
Michael Nania
@Michael_Nania
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Of Gase's 11 post-Week 1 losses with the Jets, 8 of them were against teams that entered the game with a record of .500 or worse
Thank god we are keeping this guy employed, can’t let a coach with a stat like that one go!
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 11:32:02 PM
Thank god we are keeping this guy employed, can’t let a coach with a stat like that one go!
this doofus was coaching like it was #amateurhour when he was still with Miami.
Christopher Johnson is the real problem here. Woody can't get here fast enough. I never thought i'd say that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 11:33:30 PM
this doofus was coaching like it was #amateurhour when he was still with Miami.No. Poor drafting, poor roster construction and poor coaching are the problems. Woody vs Chris means nothing. A new owner would help, but really, we need to get the right coach, GM and QB in place.
Christopher Johnson is the real problem here. Woody can't get here fast enough. I never thought i'd say that.
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 11:34:41 PM
No. Poor drafting, poor roster construction and poor coaching are the problems. Woody vs Chris means nothing. A new owner would help, but really, we need to get the right coach, GM and QB in place.
hahaha....who do you think hires these clowns?! Ownership is absolutely the problem. It starts at the top.
Post by: reuben on October 01, 2020, 11:35:27 PM
No. Poor drafting, poor roster construction and poor coaching are the problems. Woody vs Chris means nothing. A new owner would help, but really, we need to get the right coach, GM and QB in place.
The power structure is inherently problematic.
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 11:37:20 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 11:42:30 PM
The power structure is inherently problematic.Woody ain't fixing that.
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2020, 11:43:21 PM
@TheAthleticNFL
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Despite Thursday’s loss, Adam Gase will remain on the Jets’ sideline.
The plan is for Gase to remain as coach throughout the season, barring any dramatic circumstances that would make a change unavoidable, @Connor_J_Hughes
has learned.
Get ready for a long season, gents.
Post by: reuben on October 01, 2020, 11:50:24 PM
The Athletic NFL
@TheAthleticNFL
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Despite Thursday’s loss, Adam Gase will remain on the Jets’ sideline.
The plan is for Gase to remain as coach throughout the season, barring any dramatic circumstances that would make a change unavoidable, @Connor_J_Hughes
has learned.
Get ready for a long season, gents.
Nothing good will survive Gase. We need to start a petition to get Mekhi Becton to opt out.
Post by: Coach K on October 02, 2020, 02:41:08 AM
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Post by: bojanglesman on October 02, 2020, 05:22:41 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 02, 2020, 05:35:59 AM
This is a freaking joke . Were going 0-16 and Darnold is ruined . Might as well embrace the tankThis feels like the it was the only logical reason to retain Gase, to try NOT to improve and just accept we are going after the top pick.
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Then again it could just be the Johnsons not wanting to fire a coach mid-season to try and not “seem like a negative to potential candidates”
Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 06:55:49 AM
I think we've established that no one is left on the Gase train. No need to call for firing Gase anymore, it is understood.
#FireArbys
Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 07:05:54 AM
So I believe Gase is as good as gone. The unfortunate part is that we have to endure him for the bulk of the season, and worst of all, so does Sam Darnold.
Although, if Gase keeps handling the roster like he did with Becton and Darnold last night...things could change rather quickly.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2020, 07:31:17 AM
This feels like the it was the only logical reason to retain Gase, to try NOT to improve and just accept we are going after the top pick.
Then again it could just be the Johnsons not wanting to fire a coach mid-season to try and not “seem like a negative to potential candidates”
Also the logistical issue that someone has to run the team. Do we draw up plays on a white board for 12 games? The whole staff is likely gone on Black Monday regardless.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 02, 2020, 08:08:27 AM
Yeah, I mean, if he were to put the team's best/most important players in a position to reinjure/worsen an injury or something...
Post by: Coach K on October 02, 2020, 08:40:15 AM
We better throw a sacrilegious amount of money at Bienemy
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Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 08:42:59 AM
Make Gregg interim HC.
Yeah....no
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 08:45:16 AM
We’re the worst team in the league!
Post by: Coach K on October 02, 2020, 08:45:29 AM
Yeah....noWell then just embrace the Gase and enjoy the shitshow
I'm not watching another game this season. Literally a waste of time at this point
Were going 0-16 for sure. Unless Mims just shows up and starts contributing
But ive got 0 expectations other than losing
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Post by: Coach K on October 02, 2020, 08:47:24 AM
I’m baffled by the logic that we can’t fire Gase because the team will get worse.People already think we're a joke. This naive idea that letting someone who's officially the worst HC employed stay around wont induce doubt in candidates is laughable
We’re the worst team in the league!
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Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 08:48:56 AM
I’m baffled by the logic that we can’t fire Gase because the team will get worse.
We’re the worst team in the league!
Firing Gase right now looks bad for potential HC candidates. That's the only logical explanation i can think of.
I wanted Gase gone last year....but i'm willing to wait until the end of the season if it gives us Lawrence and a better coaching staff.
Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 08:50:31 AM
People already think we're a joke. This naive idea that letting someone who's officially the worst HC employed stay around will induce doubt in candidates is laughable
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No it isn't.....candidates want to work for a stable organization. You and I both know the Jets aren't, but they have to put up that facade to lure reputable candidates nonetheless.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 08:52:17 AM
Firing Gase right now looks bad for potential HC candidates. That's the only logical explanation i can think of.
I wanted Gase gone last year....but i'm willing to wait until the end of the season if it gives us Lawrence and a better coaching staff.
Did that stop Matt Rhule from going to the Panthers after they fired an actual Head Coach in Ron Rivera mid season?
Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 08:54:49 AM
Did that stop Matt Rhule from going to the Panthers after they fired an actual Head Coach in Ron Rivera mid season?
Matt Rhule has complete control over there and the Panthers paid through the nose for him. And, there was a bidding war for Rhule (ie Giants)....so he basically dicatated his terms.
The jets already have a shitty reputation for coaching hires. I don't think they want to make it worse.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 08:58:44 AM
Well then just embrace the Gase and enjoy the shitshow
After last night, Dowell Loggains is a better interim head coaching candidate than Gregg Williams.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 09:17:18 AM
After last night, Dowell Loggains is a better interim head coaching candidate than Gregg Williams.
Sure, if you want to make decisions based off of 1 game. Gregg has HC experience, Dowell doesn’t even call plays.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 02, 2020, 09:21:03 AM
Sure, if you want to make decisions based off of 1 game. Gregg has HC experience, Dowell doesn’t even call plays.
I did hear he makes a mean latte
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 09:24:15 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 09:28:19 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 02, 2020, 09:29:13 AM
Kill the head and the body will die.Kill the hamstrings and the team will die.
Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 09:32:01 AM
@diannaESPN
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The last time the New York Jets fired a head coach during the season was in 1975.
Post by: Coach K on October 02, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
Kill the hamstrings and the team will die.Lololpl
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Post by: Coach K on October 02, 2020, 09:33:06 AM
Dianna RussiniI enjoyed being irrelevant more than being the NFL laughing stock
@diannaESPN
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The last time the New York Jets fired a head coach during the season was in 1975.
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Post by: CatoTheElder on October 02, 2020, 09:38:27 AM
Sure, if you want to make decisions based off of 1 game. Gregg has HC experience, Dowell doesn’t even call plays.
It’s not like the defense has only had one bad game. They have been pretty derriere for 4 weeks.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 10:05:21 AM
Sure, if you want to make decisions based off of 1 game.
One game? Our defense has been atrocious all season. Gregg is a known poopchute and showed it again last night. Our defense can't cover. We are only playing basic zone concepts and being shredded by backup quarterbacks. We can't tackle. We can't rush the passer. Everyone wants to point the finger at Gase, but we are equally bad on both sides of the ball. Our entire staff is garbage.
The team wouldn't get any better under him. We'd have the most undisciplined team in the NFL.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 10:07:26 AM
We are bad all over, not just on offense. Everyone's gotta go. That's why you can't make a change now because it's all garbage.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 10:09:16 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 10:10:59 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 02, 2020, 10:29:36 AM
One game? Our defense has been atrocious all season. Gregg is a known poopchute and showed it again last night. Our defense can't cover. We are only playing basic zone concepts and being shredded by backup quarterbacks. We can't tackle. We can't rush the passer. Everyone wants to point the finger at Gase, but we are equally bad on both sides of the ball. Our entire staff is garbage.
The team wouldn't get any better under him. We'd have the most undisciplined team in the NFL.
Deservedly so. He's the head coach and this is his staff.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 02, 2020, 10:30:12 AM
Lets not forget that this team was a touchdown saving tackle by our damn punter away from being blown out at home by a winless football team.
We are bad all over, not just on offense. Everyone's gotta go. That's why you can't make a change now because it's all garbage.
#MannVP
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 10:35:52 AM
One game? Our defense has been atrocious all season. Gregg is a known poopchute and showed it again last night. Our defense can't cover. We are only playing basic zone concepts and being shredded by backup quarterbacks. We can't tackle. We can't rush the passer. Everyone wants to point the finger at Gase, but we are equally bad on both sides of the ball. Our entire staff is garbage.
The team wouldn't get any better under him. We'd have the most undisciplined team in the NFL.
Why was our defense ranked 11th in DVOA last year with largely the same personnel?
7th in yards/game, 16th in pts/game if you don’t like advanced stats
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 10:39:04 AM
Lets not forget that this team was a touchdown saving tackle by our damn punter away from being blown out at home by a winless football team.
We are bad all over, not just on offense. Everyone's gotta go. That's why you can't make a change now because it's all garbage.
Im fine with firing everyone. Gregg was always a mercenary
No one thinks he’s doing a good job but he has experience taking over as an interim HC Of a lifeless team and having success. We saw the effect a change in playcaller we had on rookie Baker that year - probably the best stretch of his career.
We don’t have anything to lose
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 10:39:21 AM
Why was our defense ranked 11th in DVOA last year with largely the same personnel?
Two things:
1. No Jamal Adams
2. Lack of film for opposing OCs to go off of
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2020, 10:41:34 AM
Im fine with firing everyone. Gregg was always a mercenary
No one thinks he’s doing a good job but he has experience taking over as an interim HC Of a lifeless team and having success. We saw the effect a change in playcaller we had on rookie Baker that year - probably the best stretch of his career.
We don’t have anything to lose
I was fine with the idea of Williams as interim until that bush league excrement at the end of last night's game. He's clearly the same classless shithead that he has always been and he has no place leading a team. freak him.
Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 10:43:43 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 11:26:39 AM
Two things:
1. No Jamal Adams
2. Lack of film for opposing OCs to go off of
So the only thing Gregg Williams has control over there is #2. Maybe he needs to make some adjustments but there’s like 20 years of tape on what a Gregg Williams defense does on tape.
Regarding #1, a little surprising that the drop off from Jamal to Marcus Maye is that drastic. After week 1 of Maye flashing, most of what we’ve seen him do since is miss tackles. Either we were wrong about Maye being as good as we thought or we were wrong on the impact Jamal had on our defense.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 11:28:40 AM
So the only thing Gregg Williams has control over there is #2. Maybe he needs to make some adjustments but there’s like 20 years of tape on what a Gregg Williams defense does on tape.
He needs to make a lot of adjustments
The Grindfather over at TDN will expose him
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 11:36:51 AM
So the only thing Gregg Williams has control over there is #2. Maybe he needs to make some adjustments but there’s like 20 years of tape on what a Gregg Williams defense does on tape.I don't think anyone is wrong about the impact Jamal had on our defense.
Regarding #1, a little surprising that the drop off from Jamal to Marcus Maye is that drastic. After week 1 of Maye flashing, most of what we’ve seen him do since is miss tackles. Either we were wrong about Maye being as good as we thought or we were wrong on the impact Jamal had on our defense.
We all knew Jamal covered up for a lot of things last year. We all know Jamal is great. That's why we got two 1st-round picks for a safety. Nobody gets two 1st-round picks for a defensive player unless they are a star. The draft compensation tells you all you need to know about how Adams is viewed.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 02, 2020, 12:37:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2020, 12:48:00 PM
part of me wants to believe that those cheap shots in the end were just proud players who wanted a way to express anger/frustration due to an otherwise very excrement loss, but it says a lot that Gegg hardly had any reaction after both hits
They shouldn't have been in any position to take cheap shots because the Broncos should have been allowed to kneel the game out. If Gase and Williams are going to try and defend their calls as not giving up and attempting to force a turnover then they can freak even further off, because as well as insulting our sense of basic decency with that pathetic stunt they'd also be insulting our intelligence.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 12:56:07 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on October 02, 2020, 01:04:58 PM
I enjoyed being irrelevant more than being the NFL laughing stock
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From 73 to 77 the franchise inclusive of interims had six head coaches. Weeb, Charlie Winner (the coach actually fired mid-season), whoever the freak Ken Shipp was, Holtz, Hovolak and finally Walt Michaels.
That is freaking crazy.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 02, 2020, 01:16:53 PM
Two things:
1. No Jamal Adams
2. Lack of film for opposing OCs to go off of
Yeah, I was wrong about the safety situation
I still like Maye, but this defense took a huge step back without Jamal. That's not the entirety of it, like you said, but it's clearly significant
Post by: Coach K on October 02, 2020, 01:26:58 PM
I was fine with the idea of Williams as interim until that bush league excrement at the end of last night's game. He's clearly the same classless shithead that he has always been and he has no place leading a team. freak him.I only watched highlights and a few drives whike at dinner wuth the Mrs.
What did Williams do ?
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Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2020, 01:38:12 PM
I only watched highlights and a few drives whike at dinner wuth the Mrs.
What did Williams do ?
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Gase called his remaining timeouts in the last minute to prevent Denver kneeling the game out, so Fangio tried to run a couple of plays to run down clock and Williams sent all out blitz on both of them. The Jets had no chance of coming back and the only possible outcome from that cuntery would have been a player getting injured. As Heismanberg said, on one of them McLendon hit Rypien late and got a flag for RTP.
It was shitty and petulant by both of them, and when we fire them both I hope that people remember what cunts they are.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 01:41:09 PM
Gase called his remaining timeouts in the last minute to prevent Denver kneeling the game out, so Fangio tried to run a couple of plays to run down clock and Williams sent all out blitz on both of them. The Jets had no chance of coming back and the only possible outcome from that cuntery would have been a player getting injured. As Heismanberg said, on one of them McLendon hit Rypien late and got a flag for RTP.I don't really blame McLendon or the players. They ran what was called. If they don't want a defensive tackle hitting the opposing quarterback, don't call a passing play. I didn't think McLendon's hit was dirty at all, just a little high. A defensive tackle should not be hitting a quarterback that quickly if he's blocked. Kudos to McLendon to getting to the QB, but just hit him cleaner.
It was shitty and petulant by both of them, and when we fire them both I hope that people remember what cunts they are.
The blitzing and time outs were embarrassing.
Post by: insanity on October 02, 2020, 01:44:54 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Can trump give gase covidThat seems like a stretch. Just let Woody get it from Trump, spread it to Chris, and let's see what happens.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2020, 08:30:15 AM
Gase: "If he’s dressed, you know, & he felt like he was good. I mean, it was hard to test anything last week because we weren’t in pads. We went thru pre-game. He didn’t feel like he was as strong as what he normally was.That was the decision we made"
Post by: Libero_2 on October 03, 2020, 09:05:30 AM
God I hate this guy so much
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 03, 2020, 05:19:52 PM
He didn’t feel like he was as strong as what he normally was.That was the decision we made"
fire this piece of excrement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2020, 10:43:36 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2020, 10:49:23 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2020, 10:56:07 AM
Lack of creativity, especially in the run game, is his biggest weakness as a playcaller.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 07, 2020, 11:00:09 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2020, 11:02:23 AM
What will it take to get him to start Perine?
I don't think it's a huge deal that he's not starting. It was a bigger problem that Kalen Ballage was getting more reps than him.
Now if Ty Johnson comes in and gets more reps than Perine then Gase is just being a prick.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2020, 01:44:51 PM
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Gase on how much his offense will change with Flacco at QB instead of Darnold: "It doesn't."
This coach is so bad guys
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2020, 01:45:38 PM
Post by: ons on October 07, 2020, 01:51:33 PM
This coach is so bad guys
I mean... he has to be lying/sarcastic, right?
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2020, 01:53:43 PM
Can't wait for that Flacco Read Option on the first driveJoe Flacco has elite speed
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
This coach is so bad guys
Well, why should it? The playbook is perfect, the problem is the players not executing it well enough. He's already stated that.
Post by: MBGreen on October 07, 2020, 02:23:29 PM
This coach is so bad guys
just wow
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2020, 02:24:22 PM
Joe Flacco has elite speed
No one will see it coming
Post by: MBGreen on October 07, 2020, 02:25:30 PM
No one will see it coming
if you don't see that unibrow coming at you, then puck has a bridge to sell you.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2020, 02:27:47 PM
if you don't see that unibrow coming at you, then puck has a bridge to sell you.
Sign JFIF to play in the slot
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 07, 2020, 02:33:33 PM
Sign JFIF to play in the slot
I get it, it’s a vagina joke.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2020, 02:34:42 PM
I get it, it’s a vagina joke.
Could be taken that way, if JFIF had ever seen one of those. It was actually an eyebrows joke.
Post by: MBGreen on October 07, 2020, 02:41:20 PM
Could be taken that way, if JFIF had ever seen one of those. It was actually an eyebrows joke.
judges?
we'll accept both interpretations
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 07, 2020, 04:22:00 PM
Post by: reuben on October 07, 2020, 04:29:42 PM
where's puck been?
People were being mean to mj2sexay so he quit.
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2020, 04:33:42 PM
where's puck been?
Fishing mostly.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 07, 2020, 10:26:06 PM
Fishing mostly.
I humbly petition to return Puck to the board and send Gase to the fishes
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
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Gase said he’s changed around things at practice to up the intensity. Gase said it’s “not recommended by sports science,” but everything is on table to turn season around #Jets
injuries must be down.
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2020, 10:47:13 AM
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Gase said if penalties don’t get better, they’ll need to “get different guys in there.” #Jets
umm..this is coachable. Oh wait, nvm. Forgot who we're dealing with here.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 08, 2020, 10:50:45 AM
Connor Hughes
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Gase said he’s changed around things at practice to up the intensity. Gase said it’s “not recommended by sports science,” but everything is on table to turn season around #Jets
injuries must be down.
(https://i.ibb.co/6nx2RPx/7-B15-F286-98-ED-44-D2-8-A7-E-D0-ABD2-D30-A53.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2020, 10:53:01 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 08, 2020, 11:27:25 AM
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Gase on how to fix 0-4: “Everyone has to put forth more effort. What they’ve been doing not enough.”
This coach is so bad guys
zero accountability or ownership. This is what he says to the freaking media so thinking about what he says to the team behind closed doors make me want to vomit
Post by: bojanglesman on October 08, 2020, 11:56:16 AM
Post by: IATA on October 08, 2020, 11:58:07 AM
Connor Hughes
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Gase said if penalties don’t get better, they’ll need to “get different guys in there.” #Jets
im assuming he means a new coaching staff
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2020, 12:28:24 PM
im assuming he means a new coaching staff
5 new starters on the oline probably.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 08, 2020, 01:22:55 PM
It's not even close
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2020, 01:35:22 PM
I easily despise this guy more Kotite
It's not even close
Most people just felt bad for Kotite, there was actually a time when he was liked. He was an assistant under Joe Walton in the 80s and had some success as head coach in Philadelphia. Actually brought Ken O'Brien there in 1993 after Coslet fucked him over here.
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
Most people just felt bad for Kotite, there was actually a time when he was liked. He was an assistant under Joe Walton in the 80s and had some success as head coach in Philadelphia. Actually brought Ken O'Brien there in 1993 after Coslet fucked him over here.
I'm too young to remember the Kotite years but I was surprised to find out he didn't move to the other side of the country after his time here. But it makes sense if he wasn't really hated.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 08, 2020, 01:44:15 PM
During the Kotite years my dad would constantly tell me that we were closet Jets fans. I was so freaking confused at that sentence every time he said it.
I'm too young to remember the Kotite years but I was surprised to find out he didn't move to the other side of the country after his time here. But it makes sense if he wasn't really hated.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 08, 2020, 01:46:25 PM
He wasn't a bad (dislikable) guy. Gase is
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2020, 01:50:27 PM
I'm too young to remember the Kotite years but I was surprised to find out he didn't move to the other side of the country after his time here. But it makes sense if he wasn't really hated.
He just never showed his face again, I don't know where he went. That was the height of the WFAN days, no Twitter or anything, so a lot of people hated him as a bad coach, but it was a different kind of hate. By early in year 2 is was a given he was going to be canned and the focus became getting Parcells out of New England. When he was doing well with the Eagles, only for a couple years, he was viewed as a coach who got away that we should have hired. Then Hess fired Pete Carroll for him, he came here and excrement the bed.
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2020, 01:56:19 PM
He just never showed his face again, I don't know where he went. That was the height of the WFAN days, no Twitter or anything, so a lot of people hated him as a bad coach, but it was a different kind of hate. By early in year 2 is was a given he was going to be canned and the focus became getting Parcells out of New England. When he was doing well with the Eagles, only for a couple years, he was viewed as a coach who got away that we should have hired. Then Hess fired Pete Carroll for him, he came here and excrement the bed.I recall reading somewhere that he still lives on Staten Island. Don't remember the source.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2020, 02:02:03 PM
I recall reading somewhere that he still lives on Staten Island. Don't remember the source.
I remember reading that too, I think the Post or one of the beat writers did a piece on him a while back.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 08, 2020, 02:58:41 PM
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2020, 05:56:08 PM
i'd love to see the autistic sports science that gase has been using to run this teamAll the offensive plays are named after trains
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2020, 06:07:28 PM
All the offensive plays are named after trains
Thomas, James, Edward, Emily, Percy, Gordon... does that make Loggains the Fat Controller?
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2020, 07:29:33 AM
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2020, 10:57:33 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 11, 2020, 06:14:15 AM
https://v.redd.it/eru74futabs51
This is funny. I also had a fun time trying to identify all the different coaches
Just thinking this let alone typing it is a reminder of how freaking awful this team is
Post by: IATA on October 11, 2020, 05:37:10 PM
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Post by: Libero_2 on October 11, 2020, 05:43:59 PM
Why are we even jets fans tbh
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Techmo Super Bowl. I had that freaking Go Route To Rob Moore, and was unstoppable. Unfortunately, that is not the way it has worked in reality so far.
Post by: IATA on October 11, 2020, 05:49:28 PM
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Post by: d sw0rdz on October 11, 2020, 07:16:28 PM
he's so fvcking dumb
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 11, 2020, 08:58:22 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 11, 2020, 09:17:56 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 11, 2020, 10:23:17 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 11, 2020, 10:27:35 PM
I'll masturbate if they announce his firing tomorrow.You'll masturbate if he doesn't get fired also.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 11, 2020, 10:29:25 PM
You'll masturbate if he doesn't get fired also.
Yeah but not to the press conference.
Post by: IATA on October 12, 2020, 12:59:02 AM
Also the guys on the field need to execute in order for this to work.
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Post by: MBGreen on October 12, 2020, 01:26:41 PM
Dude, if that's your answer....what's the point of having you around?
He'll be fired soon....might even be before the bye week. The Johnsons are dumb, but not that dumb.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2020, 01:45:31 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 12, 2020, 01:46:54 PM
Give Loggains the keys to the PintoLogjam leads us to 6 wins, gets fired with Gase, then hires Gase to work under him at next stop. Gase grumbles while holding challenge flag all game.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2020, 01:52:37 PM
Crowder was clearly out of bounds a yard before the marker and he still challenged it.
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
Gase is on a conference call with the media saying he's contemplating giving up playcalling duties. lol
Dude, if that's your answer....what's the point of having you around?
He'll be fired soon....might even be before the bye week. The Johnsons are dumb, but not that dumb.
Who is he going to give them to? Loggains? How does that change things?
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 12, 2020, 01:54:59 PM
Speaking of challenges, we had one of the worst I've seen in a while yesterday.
Crowder was clearly out of bounds a yard before the marker and he still challenged it.
Might as well burn the timeout down two scores.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 12, 2020, 01:56:30 PM
Speaking of challenges, we had one of the worst I've seen in a while yesterday.That was so bad. I would excuse it on 4th down. Even 3rd down, it would be a bad decision, but it would be a big enough play. Doing it on 2nd down is so absurd.
Crowder was clearly out of bounds a yard before the marker and he still challenged it.
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2020, 02:03:37 PM
That was so bad. I would excuse it on 4th down. Even 3rd down, it would be a bad decision, but it would be a big enough play. Doing it on 2nd down is so absurd.
Anything to avoid the kryptonite of 3rd and 1.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 12, 2020, 02:04:02 PM
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Big change in Texans gameplan without Bill O'Brien. Way more play-action and more aggressive downfield throws from Deshaun Watson.
Watson set season-highs in play-action rate (29%) and air yards per attempt (11.1). O'Brien was using play-action 16% of the time (third-lowest).
Unrelated but not really
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2020, 02:06:48 PM
Unrelated but not really
In a sort of related vein, was it my imagination or was there loads more pre-snap motion yesterday? Has he been reading the criticism, or does he trust Flacco more?
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 12, 2020, 02:07:00 PM
Anything to avoid the kryptonite of 3rd and 1.
We're not making 3rd and 1. We need more manageable 3rd downs.
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
We're not making 3rd and 1. We need more manageable 3rd downs.
Robby Sabo@RobbySabo
Gase and Kingsbury: One man plays it safe on third and fourth-and-one while the other puts some cojones behind the play-call.
Guess which guy has had more NFL success this year?
Jets have run it all NINE times on third or fourth-and-one this year. #TakeFlight
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2020, 02:08:18 PM
In a sort of related vein, was it my imagination or was there loads more pre-snap motion yesterday? Has he been reading the criticism, or does he trust Flacco more?
Didn't see much of a difference, but wouldn't surprise me if those motions are built in to almost every play and Darnold just doesn't use them much.
Flacco seemed to really try to slow the game down at times yesterday.
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2020, 02:11:53 PM
Didn't see much of a difference, but wouldn't surprise me if those motions are built in to almost every play and Darnold just doesn't use them much.
Flacco seemed to really try to slow the game down at times yesterday.
Felt like Hogan or Berrios was in motion on almost every single possible passing down, but maybe I was just noticing it more because it was a topic of conversation last week.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 12, 2020, 02:34:15 PM
#TakeFlight
LOL
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FOX showed his one pass completion as a Jet yesterday, anyone catch that? It was the year Pennington, Fiedler, Bollinger and Vinny were all hurt, a game at Denver.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 12, 2020, 03:37:15 PM
Who is he going to give them to? Loggains? How does that change things?
Greggggggggggggg
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 12, 2020, 04:03:38 PM
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https://sports.yahoo.com/adam-gase-becomes-first-coach-in-at-least-26-years-to-punt-on-4th-and-1-twice-in-first-five-minutes-of-a-game-173628493.html
What a freaking hoo-ha of a coach
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2020, 04:08:02 PM
What a freaking hoo-ha of a coach
If we went for it there and didn't get it, you'd kill him for it.
The guy's done an awful job coaching this team and calling plays, but you don't go for it on 4th and 1 on your own side of the field that early (in a 0-0 ball game).
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 12, 2020, 04:19:17 PM
The bigger issue is that we run the ball every time in 3rd and 4th and 1 and rarely get it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 12, 2020, 04:23:45 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 12, 2020, 04:30:22 PM
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Adam Gase on running the ball on 2nd & 26: “That play had kind of popped a little bit for us."
LMAO
Post by: insanity on October 12, 2020, 05:06:21 PM
LMAOI wish people followed up on questions...
... so your expectation was that run would net you 15+ yards.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 12, 2020, 05:13:05 PM
Especially since we have nothing to lose at this point.
We were 0-4, not 0-12.
You don't go for it there that early.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 12, 2020, 05:42:05 PM
If we went for it there and didn't get it, you'd kill him for it.
The guy's done an awful job coaching this team and calling plays, but you don't go for it on 4th and 1 on your own side of the field that early (in a 0-0 ball game).
I have no issue with him not going for it on 4th.
I have a huge freaking issue with the 3rd and 1 playcalling all game long, hell all freaking season. We've converted like 1 of those in 5 games and the fucker has yet to try and pass the ball.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 12, 2020, 06:21:48 PM
I wish people followed up on questions...
... so your expectation was that run would net you 15+ yards.
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Adam Gase on why run Gore on 2nd & 26 down 14 pts in 4th QTR: "We called it couple of times early. I wasn’t feeling great after play before. Just trying to find a way to see if we can get ourselves in 3rd-and-10 or less"
So he was hoping for 16 yards.
Gore is averaging 3.2 YPC
Further detail from Manish
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2020, 07:50:34 PM
Further detail from Manish
Frank Gore's longest run this season is 13 yards. So Gase's strategy was to trust Gore to set his season record.
Is Chris Johnson actually paying as much attention as we are?
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 12, 2020, 08:46:37 PM
Frank Gore's longest run this season is 13 yards. So Gase's strategy was to trust Gore to set his season record.
Is Chris Johnson actually paying as much attention as we are?
it's obvious he is not
i know it must be kind of annoying now, i started all the autistic talk initially based off of his markedly abnormal social mannerisms/interactions ever since we first hired him. but there is definitely something off cognitively with gase. the excrement he says and does literally do not make any sense
Post by: Badger on October 12, 2020, 08:57:28 PM
Who is he going to give them to? Loggains? How does that change things?Right? Even allowing for the most charitable possible take on the situation, how could it possibly make a difference?
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 12, 2020, 09:02:37 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 12, 2020, 09:49:55 PM
Gase has said playcalling is the most fun part of coaching. So you guys should love Gase punishing himself. Even though I don't think he'll actually give it up.
even suggesting this sort of change as a solution makes no sense. what is he trying to get at?
we all know he is the problem. he obviously doesn't think he is the problem. he's said multiple times it comes down to execution for him. so in his mind, how does giving up playcalling change anything? the dumb plays will still be the same, it'll just be loggains choosing the plays. is he saying that loggains will pick/call better plays than he does? more than anything the move gives off the idea that he's not the right one to be calling the plays because he sucks at it, but we know he doesn't believe that.
that brings up another question -- if his eyes weren't glued to the playsheet all game, what would he be doing? would he be standing on the sidelines not doing much (likely), or talking to the players about situational gameplay/gameplan/technique/execution/etc etc etc (doubt it)?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 12, 2020, 09:59:17 PM
Gase has said playcalling is the most fun part of coaching. So you guys should love Gase punishing himself. Even though I don't think he'll actually give it up.
“2nd AND 10! YOU KNOW WHAT TO freaking DO BOYS”
Post by: Badger on October 12, 2020, 10:02:11 PM
Post by: IATA on October 12, 2020, 10:08:55 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 12, 2020, 11:28:18 PM
honestly, what the freak does he find fun in calling 3 yard runs?I feel like his whole goal is just to avoid 3rd and long spots.
Gase's ideal drive is stringing together a long drive with a bunch of well-executed short passed and eventually something breaks.
He is terrified of 3rd and 10 spots. And yes, those are bad. But 3rd and 6 isn't much better
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 06:58:21 AM
Post by: insanity on October 13, 2020, 07:34:02 AM
I feel like his whole goal is just to avoid 3rd and long spots.It's a terrible strategy because it leaves no room for error. You literally need to be perfect to score
Gase's ideal drive is stringing together a long drive with a bunch of well-executed short passed and eventually something breaks.
He is terrified of 3rd and 10 spots. And yes, those are bad. But 3rd and 6 isn't much better
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 08:08:42 AM
It's a terrible strategy because it leaves no room for error. You literally need to be perfect to score
Like those Chad Pennington drives that last year, after three shoulder surgeries.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 13, 2020, 08:10:11 AM
Happy birthday, Rich Kotite....the big 7-8 today.
His gift on his 78th birthday is that he has officially become the 2nd worst NYJ head coach of all time.
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 08:11:05 AM
His gift on his 78th birthday is that he has officially become the 2nd worst NYJ head coach of all time.
he can finally leave the house with his head held high.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 13, 2020, 08:18:41 AM
3rd and 1 UNLEASH TREVON WESCO
1st/2nd/3rd and goal (very rare situations)UNLEASH RB WHEEL ROUTE BC HE REMEMBERS KURT WARNER AND MARSHALL FAULK BEING GOOD AT THIS
i hate him so much. i'm never gonna forget these things, ever
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 08:52:36 AM
I'll just patiently wait for his derriere to get fired, and hope we get the #1 pick.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 13, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
MB and Manish in cahoots
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 12:32:11 PM
https://twitter.com/MBGreen_JO/status/1316047467633287168
MB and Manish in cahoots
I'm in the circle of trust.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 13, 2020, 01:00:06 PM
I'm in the circle of trust.
Figure out how he lost his Creds would you? It’s the most exciting part of the season so far
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 01:28:38 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 13, 2020, 01:35:43 PM
Should've fired Gase last year.
Should have hired literally anyone else.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 01:41:21 PM
Should have hired literally anyone else.
Exactly. Once he's here you almost have to go at least two years, the mistake was hiring him.
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 01:44:11 PM
Exactly. Once he's here you almost have to go at least two years, the mistake was hiring him.
the mistake WAS hiring him.
But the Cards went one and done with Steve Wilks. Sometimes you have to admit to a mistake and fix it, instead of doubling down on it, like our retarded ownership.
Now we're wasting another season.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 13, 2020, 02:27:03 PM
the mistake WAS hiring him.
But the Cards went one and done with Steve Wilks. Sometimes you have to admit to a mistake and fix it, instead of doubling down on it, like our retarded ownership.
Now we're wasting another season.
The big difference is the Cards got the #1 pick with Wilks. We finished 7-9. I’d wager no coach in NFL history has been fired after 1 season where he went 7-9. Now if you looked deeper into that (like we around here did) you could see why 7-9 was a complete mirage and how we managed to win games on weird fluky plays and in spite of our coaching failures due to a soft schedule. But clearly we lost to two winless teams and frankly should have lost to Miami again.
There were signs this was a disaster in the making. But I don’t think even the most pessimistic Jet fan would have guess we might be looking at an 0-16 team. I had hoped we could win 6-7 games again. But literally every single player that was on this roster last year hasn’t only failed to progress, they have regressed. I don’t think I’ve even heard of that before, but we are doing it.
I’m trying to think of which guy that was here last year that’s playing as good or better than a year ago. I can only think of 2 names, Quinnen Williams (who was a top drafted rookie a year ago) and Jamison Crowder. Who else on this team has even kept their level of play constant let alone raised it?
Gase and Co are definitely partly to blame for that. If not out right the primary cause.
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 02:32:34 PM
The big difference is the Cards got the #1 pick with Wilks. We finished 7-9. I’d wager no coach in NFL history has been fired after 1 season where he went 7-9. Now if you looked deeper into that (like we around here did) you could see why 7-9 was a complete mirage and how we managed to win games on weird fluky plays and in spite of our coaching failures due to a soft schedule. But clearly we lost to two winless teams and frankly should have lost to Miami again.
There were signs this was a disaster in the making. But I don’t think even the most pessimistic Jet fan would have guess we might be looking at an 0-16 team. I had hoped we could win 6-7 games again. But literally every single player that was on this roster last year hasn’t only failed to progress, they have regressed. I don’t think I’ve even heard of that before, but we are doing it.
I’m trying to think of which guy that was here last year that’s playing as good or better than a year ago. I can only think of 2 names, Quinnen Williams (who was a top drafted rookie a year ago) and Jamison Crowder. Who else on this team has even kept their level of play constant let alone raised it?
Gase and Co are definitely partly to blame for that. If not out right the primary cause.
that 6-2 run last season was a mirage. We beat teams that were below us in the standings...except the Cowboys. And I don't count beating the Bills 3rd stringers in week 17 as a win.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 02:38:40 PM
I’d wager no coach in NFL history has been fired after 1 season where he went 7-9.
Closest we came was Pete Carroll being fired after one season at 6-10, after starting 6-5. We went from 8-5 to finish 8-8 the previous year which got Bruce Coslet fired, then Carroll who had been here as DC took over. Gase took over a 4-12 team and got to 7-9 after starting 1-6, we can debate the details of that all we want but that's what happened.
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 02:41:11 PM
Gase took over a 4-12 team and got to 7-9 after starting 1-6, we can debate the details of that all we want but that's what happened.
It's not that cut and dried. Last season's strength of schedule was a joke.
Our schedule is considerably harder this season, and the results speak for themselves.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 13, 2020, 02:43:54 PM
that 6-2 run last season was a mirage. We beat teams that were below us in the standings...except the Cowboys. And I don't count beating the Bills 3rd stringers in week 17 as a win.
You are arguing with the wrong guy. I saw it and wanted him fired even though I never thought he would be when we got to 7-9.
Problem is we could see it but the Johnsons couldn’t see it or didn’t care.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 02:52:02 PM
It's not that cut and dried. Last season's strength of schedule was a joke.
Our schedule is considerably harder this season, and the results speak for themselves.
You still have to win the games, regardless who they are against. We're not beating the Raiders, Steelers or Cowboys this year, probably not even the Giants.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 13, 2020, 03:04:25 PM
It's not that cut and dried. Last season's strength of schedule was a joke.They still won the games. We all knew it was fool's gold, but it's hard to fire a guy after one 7-9 season. The over/under was 7.5, and we lost our QB for 3 games. We played to expectations based on the wins and losses. I know you're going to say "blah blah schedule" and the schedule was awful, but we knew the schedule was easy before the season. It turned out to be even easier than expected, but they still won the games.
Our schedule is considerably harder this season, and the results speak for themselves.
If you told me before the season we would go 7-9 and Darnold would have mono, I would have said we met expectations.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 03:09:24 PM
They still won the games. We all knew it was fool's gold, but it's hard to fire a guy after one 7-9 season. The over/under was 7.5, and we lost our QB for 3 games. We played to expectations based on the wins and losses. I know you're going to say "blah blah schedule" and the schedule was awful, but we knew the schedule was easy before the season. It turned out to be even easier than expected, but they still won the games.
If you told me before the season we would go 7-9 and Darnold would have mono, I would have said we met expectations.
Before Gase ever coached a game we knew the first half of the schedule looked real rough, the second half was easier, and it played out that way. Darnold getting mono and Simien getting hurt Week 2 put us behind the 8-ball and provided cover for the record as well.
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 03:37:07 PM
The Chargers fired Marty Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season in 2006
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2020, 03:38:20 PM
You guys need to stop the "cant fire a guy who went 7-9" bullshit
The Chargers fired Marty Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season in 2006
Marty Schottenheimer had dementia.
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 03:41:11 PM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on October 13, 2020, 04:22:05 PM
You guys need to stop the "cant fire a guy who went 7-9" bullshit
The Chargers fired Marty Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season in 2006
That's why they fired him. They went 14-2, had a league MVP in Tomlinson and then totally excrement the bed vs the Patriots.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 13, 2020, 04:43:39 PM
Dementia > Gase
i LMFAO'd at this but then stopped for a second and thought about how this might be true
a demented marty schottenheimer from that year might possess more mental faculty to run a team and run a team more successfully than does the current gase. gase is so fckin dumb, some of the excrement he does just makes absolutely no sense and is completely unexplainable/indefensible.
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 05:10:49 PM
That's why they fired him. They went 14-2, had a league MVP in Tomlinson and then totally excrement the bed vs the Patriots.Oh I'm aware.
But it proves my point that your record is meaningless if there are other factors to determine if you deserve to retain employment.
Gase was a POS last year...he was a POS in Miami, and we're paying the price again this season because he's still a POS.
That 6-2 run was horseshit.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 06:50:55 PM
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Rich Cimini just said on the Michael Kay Show that Adam Gase could be fired by the bye week if the #Jets start 0-9
MIA, BUF, KC, NE
Post by: Libero_2 on October 13, 2020, 06:55:08 PM
MIA, BUF, KC, NE
I love the word IF. You mean the poopchute might get to keep his job at 0-9 if we get steamrolled for 4 more weeks?
JesusChrist
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2020, 07:05:25 PM
MIA, BUF, KC, NELock it in
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 07:23:00 PM
Oh I'm aware.
But it proves my point that your record is meaningless if there are other factors to determine if you deserve to retain employment.
Gase was a POS last year...he was a POS in Miami, and we're paying the price again this season because he's still a POS.
That 6-2 run was horseshit.
Your record is never meaningless, it's the bottom line result you play for, and what you're ultimately judged by. You take over a 4-12 team, go 1-6 and finish 6-2, they're not firing you. We can all agree we hated the hire, but the body of work after one year didn't justify firing him. A lot of good candidates would hesitate to take the job if they fired him.
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 07:24:27 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 07:31:28 PM
Like I said...its not that cut and dried.
It's a results oriented business.
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2020, 07:32:14 PM
It's a results oriented business.Settle down, Parcells.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 13, 2020, 07:34:00 PM
this franchise fcking sucks
Post by: IATA on October 13, 2020, 08:18:05 PM
what has he done in his coaching career thus far to warrant the security to go 0-9 before his job is in jeopardy?Honestly, we keep making franchise changing decisions on the whims of an autistic man who can't coach.
this franchise fcking sucks
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Post by: Libero_2 on October 13, 2020, 08:24:42 PM
Honestly, we keep making franchise changing decisions on the whims of an autistic man who can't coach.
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I wouldn't go that far.
Bell being cut is not franchise altering
As for Adams, if that package is offered for nearly any non-QB in the league (especially to one that isn't competing this year) they need to take it. Regardless of Gase's role in it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 09:00:53 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 13, 2020, 09:03:35 PM
Never forget that Adam Gase refused to use Bell as a receiver, arguably his best skill as a back.Literally the only justification for giving Bell the contract we gave him.
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2020, 09:08:12 PM
Never forget that Adam Gase refused to use Bell as a receiver, arguably his best skill as a back.
Literally the only justification for giving Bell the contract we gave him.Besides Curtis, Leon, and LT our receiving RB game has been non-existent for my every fandom. I don't understand why we never seem to have decent checkdowns built into our offense.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 09:09:46 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 13, 2020, 09:11:26 PM
Besides Curtis, Leon, and LT our receiving RB game has been non-existent for my every fandom. I don't understand why we never seem to have decent checkdowns built into our offense.
when the FB was still prominent/relevant, richie anderson was awesome fo rus. if memory serves me correctly jerald sowell was a decent pass catching option as well
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 13, 2020, 09:27:28 PM
Just gotta hope that we luck into a decent head coach this offseason. I don't have faith in the Johnsons to make a good choice, but I think it's kind of like the draft where even bad drafting teams can get lucky sometimes. Just gotta hope the coin lands tails when they hire the coach and get a decent one.
Luck into a good coach, and hopefully Darnold or Lawrence can be the long-term answer, and hopefully we can forget this time period of Jets history.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2020, 09:32:24 PM
Never forget that Adam Gase refused to use Bell as a receiver, arguably his best skill as a back.
We also can’t forget that Bell purposefully ran shitty routes last Sunday.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 13, 2020, 09:34:06 PM
It's amazing that we might fire a GM mid-offseason last year and a coach midseason this year.
Just gotta hope that we luck into a decent head coach this offseason. I don't have faith in the Johnsons to make a good choice, but I think it's kind of like the draft where even bad drafting teams can get lucky sometimes. Just gotta hope the coin lands tails when they hire the coach and get a decent one.
Luck into a good coach, and hopefully Darnold or Lawrence can be the long-term answer, and hopefully we can forget this time period of Jets history.
We had a good run of coaches from Parcells all the way through Rex, people got spoiled.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 13, 2020, 09:42:03 PM
We had a good run of coaches from Parcells all the way through Rex, people got spoiled.Coin landed tails for a while. Landed heads with the last 2 coaches. I thought Bowles was a good hire. By the end of his 2nd year, MB and I were the only ones who wanted to dump him. I thought Gase was a bad hire, but I fell for enough fluff pieces where I gave him a decent leash.
The Johnsons are a bad ownership group, but we've won with them before.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 10:26:45 PM
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2020, 10:53:14 PM
when the FB was still prominent/relevant, richie anderson was awesome fo rus. if memory serves me correctly jerald sowell was a decent pass catching option as wellTrue, I wasn't thinking of FBs.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2020, 06:09:10 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 14, 2020, 07:14:24 AM
How does this piece of excrement still have a job? This organization is garbage
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on October 14, 2020, 07:14:36 AM
https://twitter.com/wallace17_dakid/status/1316205551953547267?s=21
Isn't he still talking about Philbin here?
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2020, 07:15:18 AM
Isn't he still talking about Philbin here?
Yes, Mike Wallace never played for Adam Gase.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2020, 07:51:38 AM
Isn't he still talking about Philbin here?
Joe Philbin > Adam Gase
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2020, 08:32:19 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2020, 08:50:21 AM
I want to crown this guy with a baseball bat to the head.I lived and suffered through the Kotite era and Gase makes Kotite look like Vince Lombardi.ugh
Is their room on your boat for Le'Veon Bell?
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2020, 09:20:43 AM
Is their room on your boat for Le'Veon Bell?
We are preparing the Gase chum bucket as we speak.
Post by: IATA on October 14, 2020, 09:43:35 AM
https://twitter.com/kyleteichert/status/1316193767569985538?s=21
i was mad, now im just sad
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2020, 09:46:48 AM
Can we not post tweets by a kid with Eminem and John Mayer listed in his Twitter bio?
Jets, Mets, Knicks is more embarrassing than Eminem and John Mayer
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2020, 09:48:07 AM
Can we not post tweets by a kid with Eminem and John Mayer listed in his Twitter bio?
If i pulled in the hoo-ha John Mayer did, my dong would look like Tommy's pizza hut special.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2020, 11:09:17 AM
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#NYJ coach Adam Gase will not be giving up play-calling duties, per source. Gase himself had floated the idea as a consider-everything possibility for his winless team & stagnant offense. Ultimately, the head coach decided against it. #NYJvsMIA on Sunday.
Kim Jones
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
Kim Jones
Thank god the only way for the Jets offense to go is up.
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2020, 11:12:16 AM
Kim Jones
ahahaha!
I'm sure Gase floated that idea around in his head for like 10 mins, like that taco floating around his press conference gif.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2020, 11:13:39 AM
If i pulled in the hoo-ha John Mayer did, my dong would look like Tommy's pizza hut special.
Give us a break, you spent the night with Bo in the anchor, yours probably looks like a tootsie roll dipped in non-parleils.
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2020, 11:15:09 AM
Give us a break, you spent the night with Bo in the anchor, yours probably looks like a tootsie roll dipped in non-parleils.
false
I frolicked with IJR at the anchor.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2020, 11:16:35 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2020, 11:18:03 AM
@Connor_J_Hughes
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3m
Adam Gase said the perception that he misused Bell is “irrelevant” #Jets
holy excrement...this freaking guy.
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2020, 11:19:16 AM
@Connor_J_Hughes
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48s
Adam Gase said the staff discussed him giving up play-calling duties. Said the rest of the staff didn’t view that as the reason the season is going the way it’s going, so he will keep calling the plays. #Jets
wat
Post by: Johnny English on October 14, 2020, 11:22:05 AM
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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48s
Adam Gase said the staff discussed him giving up play-calling duties. Said the rest of the staff didn’t view that as the reason the season is going the way it’s going, so he will keep calling the plays. #Jets
wat
Translated as "freak you, you're not dragging us down with you"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2020, 11:22:34 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 14, 2020, 11:22:56 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2020, 11:23:10 AM
@Connor_J_Hughes
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1m
Gase said that Denzel Mims is harassing him to get back on field. Mims says he’s “ready” #Jets
Post by: Johnny English on October 14, 2020, 11:23:43 AM
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
·
1m
Gase said that Denzel Mims is harassing him to get back on field. Mims says he’s “ready” #Jets
For him to get back on the field would require him to have actually been on the field previously.
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2020, 11:24:29 AM
For him to get back on the field would require him to have actually been on the field previously.
hopefully he can dodge the laser beams a little better this time around.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2020, 11:25:24 AM
Translated as "freak you, you're not dragging us down with you"
Right, and Gase seems like the kind of guy that would can any assistant that disagrees.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2020, 11:36:04 AM
Gase: " You're fired"
Assistant: " I was joking you're not the reason this offense is 31st the last 2 years."
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2020, 11:42:37 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2020, 11:48:32 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
It will be shocking if Gase or any of his assistants get NFL level coaching positions after this.
They won't.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 14, 2020, 11:54:12 AM
Post by: IATA on October 14, 2020, 11:57:15 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2020, 11:58:55 AM
i wonder what its like to watch your entire career and profession be washed away because you decided to shack up with a freaking idiot
Those guys wouldn't have a job if Gase didn't bring them with him to the Jets
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 14, 2020, 11:59:35 AM
i wonder what its like to watch your entire career and profession be washed away because you decided to shack up with a freaking idiot
“Hines Ward has requested a release from the New York Jets.”
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 14, 2020, 12:01:13 PM
Post by: IATA on October 14, 2020, 12:02:33 PM
As a fan of the Jets Mets and Rangers, across all three teams, I am giving Gase the "freaking piece of excrement coach I hate the most" award. He surpasses Art How and Rich Kotite
oh man, head and shoulders.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 14, 2020, 12:18:11 PM
Kim Jones
he thought about it and ultimately decided continuing to do what he's been doing is for the best.
God I would love this situation if it was happening to literally anyone else in the league but us.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 14, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 14, 2020, 06:31:25 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 15, 2020, 07:47:00 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 15, 2020, 08:46:47 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 15, 2020, 09:01:16 AM
We should have a bet on which week Gase gets fired. To me, after week 9 makes the most sense because week 10 is the bye. It would give Cooter an extra week to scramble up some plays. If he isn't gone by then, I'm sure he'll just ride out the season and get fired.
Unfortunately, I don't see him being fired until after the season. The owner is as incompetent as the coach, and is letting his ego get in the way.
Post by: Gorilla on October 15, 2020, 09:16:21 AM
It will be shocking if Gase or any of his assistants get NFL level coaching positions after this.
Definitely agree.
Much like Kotite after '96, Gase will never be on an NFL sideline in any coaching capacity ever again. He has effectively burned his NFL career to ashes at only 42.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 15, 2020, 09:28:50 AM
stephen A smith literally just made my entire month
can't wait to have the video on repeat
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 15, 2020, 01:42:25 PM
Comical
Post by: bojanglesman on October 15, 2020, 01:58:50 PM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1316360825498669064?s=21Are you telling me a 1 yard run up the gut isn't a pass?
Comical
Post by: Johnny English on October 15, 2020, 02:34:00 PM
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini
OC Dowell Loggains on Gase deciding to remain the playcaller after consulting with staff: Loggains says play calling is not the issue on offense. Mostly an execution problem, he says. #Jets
See? It's not Adam's fault at all, Dowell said so. It's the players' fault for not doing what he tells them to.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 15, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 15, 2020, 02:53:49 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 02:56:50 PM
I'll be glad when he's gone so we can talk about something else. Anything else.
how about that sweet Revis trade?
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 15, 2020, 03:14:20 PM
how about that sweet Revis trade?
Haha any time you're ready.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 15, 2020, 03:15:50 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 15, 2020, 03:32:08 PM
If you think about it Gase really is a great look for our brand as a loser franchise.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 15, 2020, 03:44:29 PM
adam gase caused the phrase 'straight up zooted' to be uttered on a sports talk show in america
Post by: Johnny English on October 15, 2020, 03:46:57 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets_media/status/1316484852007436288?s=21
If you think about it Gase really is a great look for our brand as a loser franchise.
I wonder if Johnson and Douglas sit there and tell each other, and themselves, that none of these people on TV, in commentary boxes, in the press or anywhere else are as smart as them, and that by not firing him they're really just demonstrating their superior knowledge and expertise. I can't understand why he's still there - this whole "well things could be worse and anyway who's going to replace him" argument is massively bogus and surely everyone can see that by now.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 15, 2020, 03:48:45 PM
I wonder if Johnson and Douglas sit there and tell each other, and themselves, that none of these people on TV, in commentary boxes, in the press or anywhere else are as smart as them, and that by not firing him they're really just demonstrating their superior knowledge and expertise. I can't understand why he's still there - this whole "well things could be worse and anyway who's going to replace him" argument is massively bogus and surely everyone can see that by now.
i don't know if douglas is afforded the responsibility of being a part of that discussion
let's get gase tf out of here but let's also change the reporting structure. we need douglas to be in on this next HC hire. we need them to feel both connected and accountable to each other and for the prospects of this organization
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2020, 04:34:19 PM
i don't know if douglas is afforded the responsibility of being a part of that discussion
let's get gase tf out of here but let's also change the reporting structure. we need douglas to be in on this next HC hire. we need them to feel both connected and accountable to each other and for the prospects of this organization
If Gase was part of the discussion to fire Maccagnan then I doubt Johnson couldn’t be plied by Douglas as well.
Post by: delavan on October 15, 2020, 06:25:46 PM
If Gase was part of the discussion to fire Maccagnan then I doubt Johnson couldn’t be plied by Douglas as well.
If Chris Johnson cannot make the distinction between Maccagnan and Douglas independent of Gase by now, then he's incapable of re-thinking "it" outside the Johnson & Johnson box...
Post by: Miamipuck on October 15, 2020, 08:03:13 PM
If Chris Johnson cannot make the distinction between Maccagnan and Douglas independent of Gase by now, then he's incapable of re-thinking "it" outside the Johnson & Johnson box...
Honestly at this point what is the difference between the two (Duff and Douglas) ? The Jets keep going lower and lower.....At this point they both kind of suck, just one is definitive and Douglas does not look a whole lot better yet.
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2020, 08:58:40 PM
Gase will be fired after we lose to KC.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 15, 2020, 09:11:44 PM
Make your prediction.Fired after we lose to Pats week 9. Week 10 is bye.
Gase will be fired after we lose to KC.
Then fired again at the end of the year for good measure.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 15, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Post by: IATA on October 15, 2020, 10:19:35 PM
Post by: Jumbo on October 15, 2020, 10:32:46 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 16, 2020, 07:16:35 AM
But do we want to risk our 0-16 season and drafting Lawrence? We've come this far.
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2020, 07:19:07 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 16, 2020, 07:26:27 AM
He gets toasted on Black Monday. Gotta secure that #1 pick first.
Yeah, not sure what is accomplished by doing it mid season, especially if we're on track for #1. Let Gase wear all these losses on his record, not some hapless interim taking one for the team, which will likely fire him too. When we look back at 96, Kotite is the poster boy for the scorn as he should be, why let Gase off that hook?
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2020, 07:29:53 AM
Yeah, not sure what is accomplished by doing it mid season, especially if we're on track for #1. Let Gase wear all these losses on his record, not some hapless interim taking one for the team, which will likely fire him too. When we look back at 96, Kotite is the poster boy for the scorn as he should be, why let Gase off that hook?
wait a minute....did we just agree on something?
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Post by: Italian Seafood on October 16, 2020, 07:30:58 AM
wait a minute....did we just agree on something?
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Haha I'm driving to Winnipeg to celebrate Black Monday.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 16, 2020, 07:34:11 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 16, 2020, 07:38:02 AM
I don't see, if Johnson is so scared to look wrong, how Gase is gone before January. In a year that was critical to the evaluation of a top-3 QB pick, the person running the show is more concerned with not being proven wrong than the success of the organization.
I don't know if it's about that, necessarily. Once you make the move you can't undo it, and there's nothing to really gain by doing it now. I think he was trying to be supportive a few weeks back, now he's just going to ride it out.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 16, 2020, 07:51:11 AM
I don't know if it's about that, necessarily. Once you make the move you can't undo it, and there's nothing to really gain by doing it now. I think he was trying to be supportive a few weeks back, now he's just going to ride it out.
Nothing to gain?
Let's just imagine that in some crazy timeline Darnold is actually talented and has the potential to improve and become a great QB.
Let's just say, in this possibly fictional world that Adam Gase is actually an atrocious coach who makes all his players much worse than they potentially are. Let's even stretch the narrative and say that in this universe, Dowell Loggains is as useful an an appendix.
What if, in this crazy timeline, a coaching change could be no worse, and potentially give the team a chance to see what Darnold is capable of?
You're probably right though. It makes a lot more sense to just trade off anyone with any value whatsoever, keep Gase, and give him and Douglas a few years to rebuild the roster from scratch to see if their vision is the answer.
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2020, 07:52:34 AM
Nothing to gain?
Let's just imagine that in some crazy timeline Darnold is actually talented and has the potential to improve and become a great QB.
Let's just say, in this possibly fictional world that Adam Gase is actually an atrocious coach who makes all his players much worse than they potentially are. Let's even stretch the narrative and say that in this universe, Dowell Loggains is as useful an an appendix.
What if, in this crazy timeline, a coaching change could be no worse, and potentially give the team a chance to see what Darnold is capable of?
You're probably right though. It makes a lot more sense to just trade off anyone with any value whatsoever, keep Gase, and give him and Douglas a few years to rebuild the roster from scratch to see if their vision is the answer.
Gase is gone...it's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when".
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2020, 07:55:44 AM
Nothing to gain?Nobody is talking about keeping Gase beyond 2020. Just debating firing him between now and Black Monday.
Let's just imagine that in some crazy timeline Darnold is actually talented and has the potential to improve and become a great QB.
Let's just say, in this possibly fictional world that Adam Gase is actually an atrocious coach who makes all his players much worse than they potentially are. Let's even stretch the narrative and say that in this universe, Dowell Loggains is as useful an an appendix.
What if, in this crazy timeline, a coaching change could be no worse, and potentially give the team a chance to see what Darnold is capable of?
You're probably right though. It makes a lot more sense to just trade off anyone with any value whatsoever, keep Gase, and give him and Douglas a few years to rebuild the roster from scratch to see if their vision is the answer.
Post by: Johnny English on October 16, 2020, 08:11:31 AM
Nobody is talking about keeping Gase beyond 2020. Just debating firing him between now and Black Monday.
The main argument for not firing him yesterday appears to be the fear that we will improve with him gone and play ourselves out of the #1 pick. Have we really reached the point at which people are so draft obsessed that they would prefer not taking the chance of our franchise quarterback improving so that we can draft another one?
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2020, 08:14:43 AM
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2020, 08:15:30 AM
The main argument for not firing him yesterday appears to be the fear that we will improve with him gone and play ourselves out of the #1 pick. Have we really reached the point at which people are so draft obsessed that they would prefer not taking the chance of our franchise quarterback improving so that we can draft another one?For the record my position is fire him ASAP and let the chips fall where they may.
Post by: Johnny English on October 16, 2020, 08:17:41 AM
For the record my position is fire him ASAP and let the chips fall where they may.
Which is the only sensible and logical position. It creates two possible outcomes: we still suck and get the #1, or we pick up a couple of wins, Sam looks improved, we give him Ja'marr Chase for next season.
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2020, 08:19:51 AM
Which is the only sensible and logical position. It creates two possible outcomes: we still suck and get the #1, or we pick up a couple of wins, Sam looks improved, we give him Ja'marr Chase for next season.That's kind of a false dichotomy, there's an easy possibility that we fire Gase and still win enough games to move us out of #1 but Sam still doesn't inspire confidence.
Or we keep Gase and the same thing happens.
Which is why I just want the immediate gratification of him being fired.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 16, 2020, 08:21:13 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 16, 2020, 08:24:32 AM
That's kind of a false dichotomy, there's an easy possibility that we fire Gase and still win enough games to move us out of #1 but Sam still doesn't inspire confidence.
Or we keep Gase and the same thing happens.
Which is why I just want the immediate gratification of him being fired.
That's fair. I just think that wanting to keep Gase in order to ensure the worst possible outcome in every way because of a draft pick is madness.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 16, 2020, 08:26:02 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 16, 2020, 08:37:40 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 16, 2020, 08:43:33 AM
Nobody is talking about keeping Gase beyond 2020. Just debating firing him between now and Black Monday.
>Be Chris Johnson
>Be Black Monday and Adam Gase comes strolling into your office
>”We have another situation”
>”That Mike Maccagnan replacement you hired is trash bro”
>”We both agree that I’m an offensive genius”
>Of course
>”This Joe Douglas loser has to go. Matt Khalil lmfaoooo”
>Ok but we have to let him run the draft and free agency before we get rid of him
>That’s how all the best teams operate
>JD spends all our cap money on RBs and ILBs and drafts a NT at 1 overall
>Dowell leaves JD alone in the war room
>Manish tweets that Joe Douglas’s job is 300% safe
>Our 2nd round pick tears his hamstring while reading Gase’s playbook
>Tony Pauline drops the hammer
>Gase extended and Dowell promoted to GM
Post by: Laxin on October 16, 2020, 08:49:28 AM
That's kind of a false dichotomy, there's an easy possibility that we fire Gase and still win enough games to move us out of #1 but Sam still doesn't inspire confidence.
Or we keep Gase and the same thing happens.
Which is why I just want the immediate gratification of him being fired.
At this point its more than just gratification. After the stunt he pulled with Becton (and even Sam), he's messing with the health and development of what few building blocks the Jets have. He should have been shot into the sun the minute that Denver game was over.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 16, 2020, 08:51:05 AM
>Be Chris Johnson
>Be Black Monday and Adam Gase comes strolling into your office
>”We have another situation”
>”That Mike Maccagnan replacement you hired is trash bro”
>”We both agree that I’m an offensive genius”
>Of course
>”This Joe Douglas loser has to go. Matt Khalil lmfaoooo”
>Ok but we have to let him run the draft and free agency before we get rid of him
>That’s how all the best teams operate
>JD spends all our cap money on RBs and ILBs and drafts a NT at 1 overall
>Dowell leaves JD alone in the war room
>Manish tweets that Joe Douglas’s job is 300% safe
>Our 2nd round pick tears his hamstring while reading Gase’s playbook
>Tony Pauline drops the hammer
>Gase extended and Dowell promoted to GM
This is darker than the darkest timeline
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2020, 08:51:33 AM
>Be Chris Johnson
>Be Black Monday and Adam Gase comes strolling into your office
>”We have another situation”
>”That Mike Maccagnan replacement you hired is trash bro”
>”We both agree that I’m an offensive genius”
>Of course
>”This Joe Douglas loser has to go. Matt Khalil lmfaoooo”
>Ok but we have to let him run the draft and free agency before we get rid of him
>That’s how all the best teams operate
>JD spends all our cap money on RBs and ILBs and drafts a NT at 1 overall
>Dowell leaves JD alone in the war room
>Manish tweets that Joe Douglas’s job is 300% safe
>Our 2nd round pick tears his hamstring while reading Gase’s playbook
>Tony Pauline drops the hammer
>Gase extended and Dowell promoted to GM
Did the Zodiac write this?
Post by: Johnny English on October 16, 2020, 08:55:32 AM
At this point its more than just gratification. After the stunt he pulled with Becton (and even Sam), he's messing with the health and development of what few building blocks the Jets have. He should have been shot into the sun the minute that Denver game was over.
That game was on multiple levels the most embarrassing chapter of an entire book of turd. Between the way he handled Becton and the bush league bullshit he pulled at the end, he should have been fired before he made it to the locker room.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 16, 2020, 10:48:40 AM
Nothing to gain?
Let's just imagine that in some crazy timeline Darnold is actually talented and has the potential to improve and become a great QB.
Let's just say, in this possibly fictional world that Adam Gase is actually an atrocious coach who makes all his players much worse than they potentially are. Let's even stretch the narrative and say that in this universe, Dowell Loggains is as useful an an appendix.
What if, in this crazy timeline, a coaching change could be no worse, and potentially give the team a chance to see what Darnold is capable of?
You're probably right though. It makes a lot more sense to just trade off anyone with any value whatsoever, keep Gase, and give him and Douglas a few years to rebuild the roster from scratch to see if their vision is the answer.
Nobody is saying keep Gase. The only question is when is it most beneficial in the big picture to get rid of him. At this point I don't care when, tomorrow is good, Black Monday, whenever. It probably won't make a whole lot of difference.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 16, 2020, 11:36:17 AM
>Be Chris Johnson
>Be Black Monday and Adam Gase comes strolling into your office
>”We have another situation”
>”That Mike Maccagnan replacement you hired is trash bro”
>”We both agree that I’m an offensive genius”
>Of course
>”This Joe Douglas loser has to go. Matt Khalil lmfaoooo”
>Ok but we have to let him run the draft and free agency before we get rid of him
>That’s how all the best teams operate
>JD spends all our cap money on RBs and ILBs and drafts a NT at 1 overall
>Dowell leaves JD alone in the war room
>Manish tweets that Joe Douglas’s job is 300% safe
>Our 2nd round pick tears his hamstring while reading Gase’s playbook
>Tony Pauline drops the hammer
>Gase extended and Dowell promoted to GM
Completely ludicrous idea...and a definite possibility with the buffoon running the team
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 16, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
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https://twitter.com/OptimisticJets/status/1316801139531223040?s=20
Hysterical
Post by: Heismanberg on October 16, 2020, 12:32:44 PM
OH excrement
Post by: Johnny English on October 16, 2020, 12:34:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1317155522919936003?s=20
OH excrement
Shots fired at Douglas?
Post by: Heismanberg on October 16, 2020, 12:35:52 PM
Shots fired at Douglas?
That's shots fired at offense and special teams, not Joe Douglas.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 16, 2020, 12:43:21 PM
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https://twitter.com/chosen1ra/status/1316716360119078913?s=20
Robby Anderson
@chosen1ra
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Oct 15
Got away from all dem phony guys I had to detox
Anderson getting his punches in
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2020, 12:45:00 PM
That's shots fired at offense and special teams, not Joe Douglas.
agreed.
Lockeroom armageddon has begun.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 16, 2020, 12:52:45 PM
That's shots fired at offense and special teams, not Joe Douglas.
I don’t see how Douglas wouldn’t be included.
Post by: Johnny English on October 16, 2020, 12:53:18 PM
That's shots fired at offense and special teams, not Joe Douglas.
Good.
Anderson getting his punches in
No but players aren't allowed to speak ill of the coaching staff on social media because that's just them being petulant.
Post by: IATA on October 16, 2020, 12:55:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 16, 2020, 01:12:50 PM
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2020, 01:23:09 PM
That’s my HCGregggggg/Cooter 2020
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 16, 2020, 01:36:15 PM
Hysterical
how tf did i miss that moment between gase and belichick last year?
that fcking smirk. you never see belichick smile. even he at that moment was thinking that adam gase must be some sort of retard and couldn't help but laughing
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 16, 2020, 08:01:06 PM
how tf did i miss that moment between gase and belichick last year?
that fcking smirk. you never see belichick smile. even he at that moment was thinking that adam gase must be some sort of retard and couldn't help but laughing
Are we sure Gase isn't a Make A Wish case and that his wish just went too far?
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2020, 08:53:35 PM
Are we sure Gase isn't a Make A Wish case and that his wish just went too far?Dowell looks like a grown up make a wish kid
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 16, 2020, 11:46:54 PM
Dowell looks like a grown up make a wish kid
was his make a wish to be the 21st century version of samwise gamgee
Post by: insanity on October 17, 2020, 08:13:34 AM
Dowell looks like a grown up make a wish kidDowell looks like a kid who wished he was older so he could stay up late and drink soda whenever he wants
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2020, 09:39:18 AM
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Throwing Gase overboard is not going to solve anything. Vince Lombardi could come back and have a hard time winning a game with this Jets roster. And if you are tanking, why fire the coach who gives you the best chance to lose games?
A decent statement of why not to fire Gase yet from Mike Lombardi of all people.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 17, 2020, 09:51:11 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2020, 09:54:51 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2020, 10:01:23 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 17, 2020, 10:07:13 AM
The only reason to want to fire Gase now is a question of how far you want to burn it all down. If you feel like there is very little worth redeeming on this roster, then let Gase wallow in his own misery for the rest of the year, tank, and burn it down to the ground. If there are some players worth keeping that you worry will be permanently set back by having Gase around for another 10 games or so, then I can see the case of bailing now, but you have to ask whether they will be any better for the rest of they year under a patchwork staff. Giant douche vs turd sandwich.
This staff is so bad that there's no one to replace him with.
Post by: Johnny English on October 17, 2020, 10:07:31 AM
The only reason to want to fire Gase now is a question of how far you want to burn it all down. If you feel like there is very little worth redeeming on this roster, then let Gase wallow in his own misery for the rest of the year, tank, and burn it down to the ground. If there are some players worth keeping that you worry will be permanently set back by having Gase around for another 10 games or so, then I can see the case of bailing now, but you have to ask whether they will be any better for the rest of they year under a patchwork staff. Giant douche vs turd sandwich.
I want us to fire Gase right now and win enough games to get out of the #1 spot, because I'm not remotely close to giving up on Darnold. I want us to actually freaking support him, not replace him.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 17, 2020, 10:09:17 AM
I want us to fire Gase right now and win enough games to get out of the #1 spot, because I'm not remotely close to giving up on Darnold. I want us to actually freaking support him, not replace him.
Who on this current staff is winning more than 2 games with this excrement team?
Post by: IATA on October 17, 2020, 10:09:38 AM
If you hate Gase more than you want the Jets to win, you'll be happier to watch Gase wallow in the hog lagoon he created for the rest of the season.No, I hate gase more than I want the Jets to win with gase employed, because gase is a terrible freaking coach and I don't want to win 4 games and maybe score him another year because the Johnsons are freaking morons.
I want gase to be fired into the freaking sun, and then the Jets to win.
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Post by: IATA on October 17, 2020, 10:11:29 AM
Who on this current staff is winning more than 2 games with this excrement team?Nobody, Gase and the FO has ruined this season for us already.
I don't care if we lose all 16 this year, we suck and are going nowhere this year now. I just want to not see gase on the sidelines for all 16 of then.
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Post by: mj2sexay on October 17, 2020, 11:20:19 AM
Costello tweeted Rich Kotite's birthday yesterday and the first 50 or so comments were just people raging about Gase.
There's no doubt in my mind that 96 team kicks the excrement out of this one.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2020, 11:21:19 AM
1. Don't bail on Darnold.
-Give him weapons, protection, and a competent offensive staff. If we end up with #1 overall, trade it for a ginormous bounty of picks and/or players.
Pro- It would give us many more chances to get players for this team to get better, and we don't have to worry about whether or not we get the #1 overall pick. Even if Darnold sucks, we hopefully have an offensive foundation for the next guy.
Con- if Darnold isn't the guy, we are treading water and may end up passing on a talent at QB (and his cheap contract) that doesn't come around often.
2. Bail on Darnold (as our franchise QB).
-If we do end up with the #1 pick, draft Lawrence. Trade Darnold for whatever you can get unless it's so little that keeping him as competition/backup makes more sense.
-If we don't get the number 1 pick, ugh. Draft the best WR. Keep Darnold for the year to either prove he's the guy or prove he isn't and punt on QB until the next draft. I'd really hate to waste a high pick on a project QB, but I guess you could go that route and make Darnold compete. I feel like that's likely to lead to us just playing with our wangs at QB for another few years. Then again, what's the alternative in that situation? Try to create magic with a castoff veteran QB? Either way, we'll all bitch and complain about several players we could have had at the spot we take aforementioned rookie excrement-QB.
Pro- Possibility to have THE guy at QB on a cheap contract for several years. Possibility to get some value for Darnold to support Lawrence. Possibility that Darnold gets some playing time (either because Lawrence isn't quite ready, gets hurt, or Darnold outplays him in camp) and plays better than expected with actual NFL WRs, giving us a good dilemma at QB.
Con- Possibility of watching Darnold go elsewhere and shine because we failed to give him any tools to succeed. Also possibility of drafting a QB that isn't any better than Darnold either at #1 overall or wasting a high pick on one of the other QBs that isn't worth it. Possibility of having Darnold continue flailing at QB while also not getting a pick high enough to get Lawrence.
The ultimate worst outcome would be to bail on Darnold and not get the #1 overall pick. That only happens if the Jets by some stupid reason try to deal him before the season is over.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2020, 11:24:33 AM
Douglas would be stupid to fire Gase early. He can tank, get a top pick, and point his finger at Gase.
This is exactly what I said re: Duff/Bowles in their last season. That def worked for Duff.
Bowles got the majority of the blame and if he got fired midseason the blame would have turned more towards Duff.
Post by: Badger on October 17, 2020, 11:36:28 AM
Douglas would be stupid to fire Gase early. He can tank, get a top pick, and point his finger at Gase.Is it even up to Douglas?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
Is it even up to Douglas?
No, but if he went to Chris Johnson and said, hey it’s time, I would think he would listen.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2020, 12:35:43 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 17, 2020, 12:38:41 PM
No, but if he went to Chris Johnson and said, hey it’s time, I would think he would listen.
Would he? I hate this random speculation that’s starting to exist in Jetsland that Douglas is actually sticking up for Gase behind the scenes and that’s why we haven’t canned Gase yet
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2020, 12:44:15 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 17, 2020, 03:49:18 PM
Gase is Christopher Johnson.
Derek Smalls is Gase
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2020, 04:04:57 PM
I'm not trying to "both sides" this thing (yes I am), but I really don't know what is best for this team with all the what-ifs still remaining. Will we have the #1 overall pick? Is Darnold really unfixable and maxed out? Will another QB emerge that is worthy of our first pick if it isn't #1 overall? Will the Jets indeed fire Gase and replace him with a competent HC and someone that has a competent offensive scheme? Is Douglas really worth the contract he got and will live up to the hype he got when he was hired? There are 2 paths:Darnold will have an extended look at the end of the season once he's healthy. If he plays well and we don't get the #1 pick, he'll go into next year as the presumed starter, and we'll likely bring someone in as competition. If he plays well and we still get the #1 pick, well, he probably didn't play well enough, and he hasn't done enough in 3 years to allow us to pass on Lawrence.
1. Don't bail on Darnold.
-Give him weapons, protection, and a competent offensive staff. If we end up with #1 overall, trade it for a ginormous bounty of picks and/or players.
Pro- It would give us many more chances to get players for this team to get better, and we don't have to worry about whether or not we get the #1 overall pick. Even if Darnold sucks, we hopefully have an offensive foundation for the next guy.
Con- if Darnold isn't the guy, we are treading water and may end up passing on a talent at QB (and his cheap contract) that doesn't come around often.
2. Bail on Darnold (as our franchise QB).
-If we do end up with the #1 pick, draft Lawrence. Trade Darnold for whatever you can get unless it's so little that keeping him as competition/backup makes more sense.
-If we don't get the number 1 pick, ugh. Draft the best WR. Keep Darnold for the year to either prove he's the guy or prove he isn't and punt on QB until the next draft. I'd really hate to waste a high pick on a project QB, but I guess you could go that route and make Darnold compete. I feel like that's likely to lead to us just playing with our wangs at QB for another few years. Then again, what's the alternative in that situation? Try to create magic with a castoff veteran QB? Either way, we'll all bitch and complain about several players we could have had at the spot we take aforementioned rookie excrement-QB.
Pro- Possibility to have THE guy at QB on a cheap contract for several years. Possibility to get some value for Darnold to support Lawrence. Possibility that Darnold gets some playing time (either because Lawrence isn't quite ready, gets hurt, or Darnold outplays him in camp) and plays better than expected with actual NFL WRs, giving us a good dilemma at QB.
Con- Possibility of watching Darnold go elsewhere and shine because we failed to give him any tools to succeed. Also possibility of drafting a QB that isn't any better than Darnold either at #1 overall or wasting a high pick on one of the other QBs that isn't worth it. Possibility of having Darnold continue flailing at QB while also not getting a pick high enough to get Lawrence.
The ultimate worst outcome would be to bail on Darnold and not get the #1 overall pick. That only happens if the Jets by some stupid reason try to deal him before the season is over.
The issue comes if Darnold plays poorly and the Jets don't get the #1 pick. Then we have to evaluate Darnold compared to Trask, Fields and Lance and try to determine if any of them are worthy of top-3 picks.
Seeing as I think the best chance this team has to win games is if Darnold plays well, I think the situation will likely play itself out.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 17, 2020, 06:04:51 PM
Darnold will have an extended look at the end of the season once he's healthy. If he plays well and we don't get the #1 pick, he'll go into next year as the presumed starter, and we'll likely bring someone in as competition. If he plays well and we still get the #1 pick, well, he probably didn't play well enough, and he hasn't done enough in 3 years to allow us to pass on Lawrence.Darnold will have to play well.....with Gase.
The issue comes if Darnold plays poorly and the Jets don't get the #1 pick. Then we have to evaluate Darnold compared to Trask, Fields and Lance and try to determine if any of them are worthy of top-3 picks.
Seeing as I think the best chance this team has to win games is if Darnold plays well, I think the situation will likely play itself out.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2020, 06:22:32 PM
I'm not expecting Darnold to light it up with Gase. But he needs to do better than he did against Buffalo and Indianapolis. The other two games were just fine. We still lost and his numbers still weren't good, but he played well enough.
Post by: Johnny English on October 17, 2020, 07:44:12 PM
Gase isn't preventing him from missing throws and seeing open receivers and not bailing on the pocket when there isn't pressure.
YES HE freaking IS.
The reason that Darnold is falling apart is because Maccagnan and Douglas have built rosters and Bowles/Bates/Gase/Loggains created and implemented schemes and coaching regimes that have failed miserably to put him in a position to improve. How is a QB supposed to become good at his job when he expects on every play to see pressure coming from any of four or five directions, excrement receivers not where they're supposed to be, running backs without anywhere to run to, and a host of other failures? Pretty much every freaking play is a broken mess from the snap, so when on occasion it does work as it's supposed to it's no surprise that Darnold is already expecting to have to do something different.
We have delivered and continue to deliver an object lesson in how not to support and develop a quarterback. The rest of the league is laughing their funbags off at how much the Jets have fucked this up, and the fact that some of you are still trying to twist this into how it's really Sam's fault for not having been unable to overcome the situation he has been given is a mix of funny and pitiful. The fact that you think that we're going to do anything different if we get Lawrence, regardless of whether or not Gase is still here, is depressing.
I'm so freaking angry at this team right now I can't begin to describe it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2020, 07:58:30 PM
Maybe Darnold isn’t any good and maybe he never will be. He never had a shot here after we hired Gase.
And we completely failed to put a team around him but that’s a conversation for the GM thread.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 17, 2020, 08:53:27 PM
like JE said, we can do the same song and dance as much as we want, but this franchise literally instills no confidence in me whatsoever that they'll be able to do anything positive with the next QB prospect we end up with
sam's too nice. i wish he was meaner. any other person, let alone QB, would have escalated up and voiced displeasure at being hung out to dry the way he has with incompetent fools and bullshit people like gase and the make-a-wish hobbit
Post by: Jumbo on October 18, 2020, 01:08:03 AM
if sam's acting surprised when he has time in the pocket now, that's not sam's fault. it's our fault. he didn't have the yips as a rookie. he had a rocky rookie season but there were definitely flashes later on during that year that made us all continue to believe he had franchise QB potential. his last 4-5 games were pretty damn good, and he had one of the highest QBR's during that time for a reason
like JE said, we can do the same song and dance as much as we want, but this franchise literally instills no confidence in me whatsoever that they'll be able to do anything positive with the next QB prospect we end up with
sam's too nice. i wish he was meaner. any other person, let alone QB, would have escalated up and voiced displeasure at being hung out to dry the way he has with incompetent fools and bullshit people like gase and the make-a-wish hobbit
Sam was a part of the hiring process. He must have liked Gase at least a bit. He was a young idiot sold a false bill of goods most likely, but still.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 18, 2020, 01:23:29 AM
Sam was a part of the hiring process. He must have liked Gase at least a bit. He was a young idiot sold a false bill of goods most likely, but still.
i can't think it was anything more than a 'facetime this guy i'm already going to tell you i want to hire and tell me if you guys hit it off!' sort of assessment from chris johnson when he 'involved' sam in the hire. i'm pretty certain a 21 year old sam had little to no say in who he actually wanted coaching this team
again, sam seems to be a very polite kid who tries to hold a positive outlook on things. even if he had reservations about gase, i'm not sure he actually would have voiced them if he knew it could cost somebody a job, but i don't think this was the case. i think he just didn't know much or didn't know any better about gase, and all he was told/sold was how he was an offensive mind that hit it off with peyton manning.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 18, 2020, 08:41:36 AM
Sam was a part of the hiring process. He must have liked Gase at least a bit. He was a young idiot sold a false bill of goods most likely, but still.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2020, 09:21:05 AM
Sam was a part of the hiring process. He must have liked Gase at least a bit. He was a young idiot sold a false bill of goods most likely, but still.
Yes let’s ignore the fact the the Jets fucked up the Rhule hiring and blame Adam Gase on Sam. Lmfaoooo
Sam would have been on FaceTime with whatever dumb schmuck Chris Johnson decided to hire
Post by: IATA on October 18, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
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Post by: Derek Smalls on October 18, 2020, 06:07:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2020, 06:08:47 PM
Post by: insanity on October 18, 2020, 06:12:23 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 06:14:47 PM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2020, 06:24:56 PM
Im on record saying firing coaches midseason is mostly useless and for show, but Jets fans might mutiny if he is back next weekNo real way to show it without fans at games.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2020, 06:25:05 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 06:27:00 PM
Would you hire Gase as HC if you were a high school program?
I think i could smoke Gase in Madden 2020.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 18, 2020, 06:28:14 PM
Would you hire Gase as HC if you were a high school program?
If he wound up coaching my kid's Pop Warner team I'd sell my house and move.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 06:39:28 PM
As much as i'd like to see Gase eat a excrement sandwich on black monday, securing that #1 pick.....i think the ownership pulls the trigger on him at 0-9.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2020, 06:45:23 PM
the next 3 games are against the bills, chiefs and patriots.I think most Jets fans have fizzled out for this year and don't care either way.
As much as i'd like to see Gase eat a excrement sandwich on black monday, securing that #1 pick.....i think the ownership pulls the trigger on him at 0-9.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 06:48:48 PM
I think most Jets fans have fizzled out for this year and don't care either way.
that's the problem with the pandemic year....there's no fans anyway. I'm sure the "fire gase" chant would've been heard across the state of NY from metlife.
Post by: IATA on October 18, 2020, 06:55:17 PM
I think most Jets fans have fizzled out for this year and don't care either way.This board and Twitter is the extent of my Jets experience since last week, I'm done for the year.
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Post by: d sw0rdz on October 18, 2020, 07:01:45 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 18, 2020, 07:03:58 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 07:05:09 PM
billboard time?
lol....i'm pretty sure billboards aren't required.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 18, 2020, 07:11:10 PM
he is woefully clueless and incompetent and is not fit for any sort of coaching role whatsoever when considering either footballing intelligence and strategy, or player/man leadership. he does not have a football mind, and he is not a leader of men. imperfect coaches usually have one over the other, and are criticized for their deficiencies accordingly. gase has neither.
please, please just get him tfo
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 07:53:08 PM
Post by: Jumbo on October 18, 2020, 07:59:17 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2020, 08:08:20 PM
Im on record saying firing coaches midseason is mostly useless and for show, but Jets fans might mutiny if he is back next week
“For show”
Falcons and the Texans looked pretty good this week.
Doesn’t matter, by the time fans like you have come around to the idea, it’s already way too late. The team was sunk weeks ago and the toxicity has infected the locker room.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2020, 08:58:29 PM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
“For show”To be fair our opinions on the matter are completely immaterial whether we were right about Gase on day 1 or if it took until now to agree that he sucks.
Falcons and the Texans looked pretty good this week.
Doesn’t matter, by the time fans like you have come around to the idea, it’s already way too late. The team was sunk weeks ago and the toxicity has infected the locker room.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2020, 09:04:23 PM
To be fair our opinions on the matter are completely immaterial whether we were right about Gase on day 1 or if it took until now to agree that he sucks.
The fans have zero effect on what actually happens with the team, but all we’re doing on here is offering opinions on what we would like the team to do and that’s what I’m commenting on. I’m not suggesting that the Jets kept or will continue to keep Gase because of Derek Small’s mistakes.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 18, 2020, 09:08:59 PM
the next 3 games are against the bills, chiefs and patriots.
As much as i'd like to see Gase eat a excrement sandwich on black monday, securing that #1 pick.....i think the ownership pulls the trigger on him at 0-9.
The logical move would be to fire him now. But the owner is just as dumb.as the coach and is clueless so I can def see him.waiting till end of year
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 09:18:13 PM
The logical move would be to fire him now. But the owner is just as dumb.as the coach and is clueless so I can def see him.waiting till end of yearI disagree...waiting until the end of the year to fire him and securing that #1 pick is playing 4D chess.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 18, 2020, 09:22:13 PM
Post by: insanity on October 18, 2020, 09:26:26 PM
I really don't want to see my team go 0-16.Close your eyes
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 18, 2020, 09:27:40 PM
I really don't want to see my team go 0-16.I'll take 0-16 if that is the only way to Lawrence but I really hope 1-15 is enough to get that done.
I just hope the 1 win comes when I dont take the other team in survivor.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 09:28:39 PM
I really don't want to see my team go 0-16.I'll go 0-16 if it means Gase is gone plus that #1 pick is ours.
It's a nice pkg to lure in a top tier HC
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2020, 08:24:32 AM
Joe Flacco looked like Sam Darnold at his worst yesterday. Flacco isn't great, but he looked like a joke.
This roster is bad beyond words, but the coaching is worse. And the team is clearly checked out. A change is absolutely necessary. Now.
Post by: reuben on October 19, 2020, 08:53:49 AM
Flacco isn't great, but he looked like a joke.
He looks exactly the same as he did on the Broncos. Anybody who applauded his signing didn't watch him play last season.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2020, 08:55:06 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2020, 08:55:32 AM
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So I went to Hard Rock stadium for the Jets game today not because I thought we’d win, but because I wanted to see Adam Gase coach in the flesh (and tickets were 30 bucks). Let me tell you... I’ve never been more disgusted at a human being in my life. I had eyes on Gase every second of that game and he didn’t talk to a player ONCE. He kept to himself with his head buried in his clipboard. The. Entire. Game. I’m not even exaggerating. My sister who knows less than a fish about football said to me “hey Jeremy, why does that guy keep looking at his clipboard all the time?” I said “well Sarah, that’s our coach.” A coach is supposed to be engaged, talking to players, etc. Gase stood there and didn’t say a word to anybody. I have pictures. The first picture is a 2nd and goal for the Fins. The entire team is engaged and watching. The second picture is Gase... off to the side... by himself. After those two you’ll see two more. Gase in the black shirt alone in his clipboard while the team is engaged. I am embarrassed to say that this man runs my team. Gase is a disgusting pig and for those who think Darnold or Joe Douglas is the problem.... Go see a doctor.
Jets Facebook having a normal one
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 08:57:54 AM
It's hilarious to watch him go sit on the bench by himself while staring at his play sheet, but acting like he doesn't communicate (even if it's most likely poorly done) is absurd to me.
"I DIDN'T SEE HIM TALK TO THE QB!"
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2020, 09:08:37 AM
He looks exactly the same as he did on the Broncos. Anybody who applauded his signing didn't watch him play last season.
As I said yesterday, it depends why you thought we were signing him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2020, 09:10:25 AM
Gase can talk to his quarterback and his coaching staff on his headset.
It's hilarious to watch him go sit on the bench by himself while staring at his play sheet, but acting like he doesn't communicate (even if it's most likely poorly done) is absurd to me.
"I DIDN'T SEE HIM TALK TO THE QB!"
K
As I said yesterday, it depends why you thought we were signing him.
Mentor QBs are a waste of a roster spot and he can’t play anymore. He was a bad signing no matter how you look at it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2020, 09:52:10 AM
Gase can talk to his quarterback and his coaching staff on his headset.
It's hilarious to watch him go sit on the bench by himself while staring at his play sheet, but acting like he doesn't communicate (even if it's most likely poorly done) is absurd to me.
"I DIDN'T SEE HIM TALK TO THE QB!"
I don't think it's a problem at this point to exaggerate this, which is what people are doing.
It doesn't matter anyway. At one point they showed Gase trying to talk to Flacco and Joe was looking off into the sunset the whole time. Everyone is checked out, so it doesn't even matter anymore.
Post by: IATA on October 19, 2020, 09:53:56 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2020, 09:54:58 AM
K
Mentor QBs are a waste of a roster spot and he can’t play anymore. He was a bad signing no matter how you look at it.
I disagree. Uncle Josh here, and Fitzpatrick yesterday showed what a mentor QB can/should be.
Every sport has mentor players. Not every guy is cut out for it, but those that are have a lot of value. Flacco was actually reviewing the tablet with Morgan at one point yesterday (while Darnold sat on his other side with his arms crossed looking like he'd rather be anywhere else, lol).
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 19, 2020, 09:58:41 AM
Gase can talk to his quarterback and his coaching staff on his headset.
It's hilarious to watch him go sit on the bench by himself while staring at his play sheet, but acting like he doesn't communicate (even if it's most likely poorly done) is absurd to me.
"I DIDN'T SEE HIM TALK TO THE QB!"
i will cede that communication with the QB/staff at the least can be done that way, but be honest, how often do you think that happens with his QBs? and how well do you think it's done?
he sure as hell doesn't speak to any player or positional group that's non-QB. jamal adams is a hoo-ha and a bitch but one of the things he said going out from this team was how gase just doesn't talk to anybody. his idea of player communication is by benching people to improve their confidence.
even in his post-game pressers, he is saying the same things every single week. 'we have to execute better'. 'we can't hurt ourselves with all these penalties'. 'we just need to find a way to get it to work'. you'd think after going through this 6 weeks in a row, we would have addressed some of this excrement some way? no, we come out every week and still do the same things over and over; we still make the same mistakes over and over. i'm not at the practices so i honestly can't say what gase does or what goes on, but i can only assume that he doesn't communicate this excrement to his players well, if at all. it's the only way gase can say this stuff after every game in his presser yet still have a team that looks as woefully unprepared and undisciplined as ours on a weekly basis.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
i will cede that communication with the QB/staff at the least can be done that way, but be honest, how often do you think that happens with his QBs? and how well do you think it's done?
I mean it's pretty obvious that it's not going well, but I'm sure that Gase is communicating with the QB throughout every offensive possession. He's the playcaller.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2020, 10:32:47 AM
i will cede that communication with the QB/staff at the least can be done that way, but be honest, how often do you think that happens with his QBs? and how well do you think it's done?
he sure as hell doesn't speak to any player or positional group that's non-QB. jamal adams is a hoo-ha and a bitch but one of the things he said going out from this team was how gase just doesn't talk to anybody. his idea of player communication is by benching people to improve their confidence.
even in his post-game pressers, he is saying the same things every single week. 'we have to execute better'. 'we can't hurt ourselves with all these penalties'. 'we just need to find a way to get it to work'. you'd think after going through this 6 weeks in a row, we would have addressed some of this excrement some way? no, we come out every week and still do the same things over and over; we still make the same mistakes over and over. i'm not at the practices so i honestly can't say what gase does or what goes on, but i can only assume that he doesn't communicate this excrement to his players well, if at all. it's the only way gase can say this stuff after every game in his presser yet still have a team that looks as woefully unprepared and undisciplined as ours on a weekly basis.
Brings up something that got my attention in his postgame yesterday.
He basically said, "Everything is going really great in practice, it just isn't translating during the games." So the players are able to execute whatever is being called in practice, it just isn't working out when the games are played.
So.....maybe the problem isn't the players and their execution?
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2020, 10:38:04 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2020, 10:43:48 AM
I disagree. Uncle Josh here, and Fitzpatrick yesterday showed what a mentor QB can/should be.
Every sport has mentor players. Not every guy is cut out for it, but those that are have a lot of value. Flacco was actually reviewing the tablet with Morgan at one point yesterday (while Darnold sat on his other side with his arms crossed looking like he'd rather be anywhere else, lol).
This isn't what I'm saying and I feel like you know that.
Everyone who liked the Flacco signing did so because they thought Flacco was going to be sitting on the sideline acting like a coach in pads.
What I'm saying is that bringing in a veteran QB solely to mentor your appointed starter is a bad team building move, especially when the appointed starter hasn't played a full season in his career and the backup is coming off season ending neck surgery and wasn't expected to be healthy until 3 weeks into the season. The fact that Flacco blatantly said he didn't have time to mentor Jackson probably should have also been a red flag.
Josh had already played one season as a starter before we drafted Darnold and Fitz had already played one season as the starter in Miami before they drafted Tua, so the analogy isn't very apt on that front either.
Bring in a guy who can actually manage a game and help you win when your starter gets injured. (Blah blah blah roster, blah blah blah Gase blah blah blah who could actually?!?!?)
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2020, 11:50:57 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 19, 2020, 12:38:36 PM
Everyone who liked the Flacco signing did so because they thought Flacco was going to be sitting on the sideline acting like a coach in pads.
I liked the signing because Darnold so far misses a few games per year and Flacco gives us a better chance in those games than a Luke Falk or a rookie. Where I miscalculated was thinking the objective was to win games, silly me.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2020, 12:42:56 PM
I liked the signing because Darnold so far misses a few games per year and Flacco gives us a better chance in those games than a Luke Falk or a rookie. Where I miscalculated was thinking the objective was to win games, silly me.
Did you really type that in earnest after a game where he got shut out 24-0?
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 19, 2020, 01:10:54 PM
Did you really type that in earnest after a game where he got shut out 24-0?
Discussing my thoughts when we signed him, which was before we played any games and before we lost some of our best players.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2020, 01:32:18 PM
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Gase on lack of TE production: "For whatever reason, we haven't been able to get Chris (Herndon) going." 44 snaps yesterday, 0 targets.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 01:35:47 PM
Post by: IATA on October 19, 2020, 01:36:12 PM
its really a mystery. theres no way of know how we can get him involved.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 01:36:41 PM
Recipe for disaster
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 19, 2020, 01:41:47 PM
if there is a player left in there, he will not be found while adam gase remains at the helm
'for whatever reason'......you're the one calling the plays adam
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2020, 01:47:27 PM
Someone please punch Gase in the face.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 01:48:18 PM
Johnson's gotta can him today. This dude is unbelievably out of touch.
Try to save some face and give the playcalling duties to Loggains.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2020, 01:53:35 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1318256603431342080?s=20Nope, wouldn't have been allowed to do a presser today if they were firing him. Another week with Gase.
Johnson's gotta can him today. This dude is unbelievably out of touch.
Try to save some face and give the playcalling duties to Loggains.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 19, 2020, 01:55:50 PM
he is so fcking dumb
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 02:01:10 PM
@RichCimini
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Greg Van Roten says Gase has changed up Monday meetings, using different ways to analyze previous day's game. #Jets
TIL known brilliant offensive mind doesn't know how to analyze game film properly.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2020, 02:14:06 PM
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@Michael_Nania
I was JOKING about the Gase stuff not talking to the QBs - it's not even a joke! It is BREAKING NEWS from the sideline reporter that Gase talks to his QB for the FIRST TIME with 7 minutes left in the fourth quarter. Wow this guy is special
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2020, 02:16:44 PM
Nope, wouldn't have been allowed to do a presser today if they were firing him. Another week with Gase.
One of the beat folks reported on Twitter yesterday evening that Gase was supposed to meet with team brass yesterday evening to discuss his future with the team.
If that meeting actually happened, and he said what he said this afternoon, he's not going anywhere--even after this season.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2020, 02:18:19 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2020, 02:19:16 PM
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Consider this stat from Pro Football Talk’s Michael David Smith: The Jets have been outscored 185-75 this season. That is a point differential of -110. That is equal to the combined point differentials of the second- and third-worst teams this year. The Jaguars are at -56 and the Washington Football Team is at -54.
How does this guy still have a job?
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2020, 02:23:30 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2020, 02:24:25 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 19, 2020, 04:08:59 PM
Dude needs to resign.
freak no. I want him the whole season, that's our best way to ensure we finish 0-16 and get the first pick in the draft.
Post by: IATA on October 19, 2020, 04:16:25 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 04:19:03 PM
freak no. I want him the whole season, that's our best way to ensure we finish 0-16 and get the first pick in the draft.This x1000
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 19, 2020, 04:32:38 PM
Post by: Laxin on October 19, 2020, 04:37:18 PM
freak no. I want him the whole season, that's our best way to ensure we finish 0-16 and get the first pick in the draft.
I also want that excrement stain to have 0-16 forever stamped on his forehead, rather than have him fired halfway through and let him off the hook for the distinction of coaching the worst team in NFL history.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 04:59:38 PM
MBGreen wants Gase. Never thought I'd see the day.Just until week 17, broski.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
I'm sick of this tank bullshit. Would Lawrence be awesome? Sure. I'd rather win some games now, see what pieces of the roster are worth keeping and use the draft to start building a team with a coach who reports to the friggin GM--like a normal organization.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 05:17:24 PM
And I want to win some damn games this year.
No
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2020, 05:23:43 PM
I do hope that whenever Darnold comes back, he can string together some decent play. Honestly, I hope the guy sits out several more games. The less he plays this shitty year, the better for him.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 19, 2020, 06:57:13 PM
I’m marveling at how he still has a job.
I’ve definitely made one decision though, I’m putting money on a Jets game for the first time in my life this upcoming weekend.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 19, 2020, 07:08:09 PM
I just feel so numb reading all of this. I just am laughing at how this excrement gets worse and worse each week.
I’m marveling at how he still has a job.
I’ve definitely made one decision though, I’m putting money on a Jets game for the first time in my life this upcoming weekend.
Atta Boy, welcome to the winner's club.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 09:04:53 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 19, 2020, 09:40:35 PM
Mike McCarthy is doing a fantastic job in Dallas
Will he be 1 and done in Dallas?
It took a miracle catch to beat the Giants in regulation last week and a meltdown of epic proportions to not lose to Atlanta
Post by: Libero_2 on October 22, 2020, 07:11:16 AM
Obviously not real, but it's still funny
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2020, 12:39:54 PM
https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1319323416189489152
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2020, 03:18:02 PM
OJ on Gase
https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1319323416189489152
I kind of like OJ lately, don't know why. Always hated him on the Bills and especially when he interrupted Game 5 of the Knicks in the Finals with his bullshit. Can't kill your wife in August?
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2020, 03:32:53 PM
I kind of like OJ lately, don't know why. Always hated him on the Bills and especially when he interrupted Game 5 of the Knicks in the Finals with his bullshit. Can't kill your wife in August?Other than the whole multiple homicides and domestic abuse, he seems like a decent guy.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 22, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Other than the whole multiple homicides and domestic abuse, he seems like a decent guy.
And rape. Don’t forget about all the times he raped Nicole, too.
Post by: Johnny English on October 22, 2020, 04:43:53 PM
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2020, 04:55:54 PM
I just read the last post in this thread without twigging to the context, looked at the title and thought "what, Gase is a rapist as well?"No proof that he isn't
Post by: Johnny English on October 22, 2020, 05:01:27 PM
No proof that he isn't
I don't know what a rapist looks like, but if you asked me to draw one he'd definitely have those eyes.
Post by: reuben on October 22, 2020, 05:03:06 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 22, 2020, 05:23:09 PM
Adam couldn't rape a fly you guys
he could probably draw up a 'fly rape' play and he'd keep looking at his sheet until it happened.
it's why his eyes look like that. he's always looking for something that's not there or not happening
Post by: Johnny English on October 22, 2020, 05:40:33 PM
he could probably draw up a 'fly rape' play
Now I really want to hear Sam calling an audible to "EPSTEIN! EPSTEIN!"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 22, 2020, 07:06:46 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 22, 2020, 09:09:30 PM
Quote
https://twitter.com/NYJets_Media/status/1318992807932153856?s=20
LOL
Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2020, 07:46:43 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 23, 2020, 07:49:58 AM
https://twitter.com/pff_brad/status/1319286881398390794?s=21
what the freak
Post by: Heismanberg on October 23, 2020, 07:57:17 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2020, 07:58:41 AM
That's a common stretch and fumble drill, but neither player seems to give a excrement.
Right, it's not that the drill is anything bad, it's that if you're going to do any drill with that level of intensity you might as well not bother. That's on Sam and Flacco as much as the coaches.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 23, 2020, 07:59:28 AM
Right, it's not that the drill is anything bad, it's that if you're going to do any drill with that level of intensity you might as well not bother.
And if the starting QB is practicing this way to start practice, imagine the other positional drills.
Post by: MBGreen on October 23, 2020, 08:09:39 AM
And if the starting QB is practicing this way to start practice, imagine the other positional drills.
so much for the "culture change" we were promised.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 23, 2020, 08:22:19 AM
so much for the "culture change" we were promised.
Ashtyn Davis has failed us.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 23, 2020, 09:25:30 AM
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2020, 09:26:52 AM
so much for the "culture change" we were promised.Put Greggggg in charge of the offense
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 23, 2020, 09:28:11 AM
Put Greggggg in charge of the offense
Straight kneecapping edge rushers.
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2020, 10:33:38 AM
Straight kneecapping edge rushers.You read my mind
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 23, 2020, 10:43:11 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 23, 2020, 01:27:54 PM
I just read the last post in this thread without twigging to the context, looked at the title and thought "what, Gase is a rapist as well?"
His team analy rapes or sodomizes us every Sunday, so I am cool with calling him a rapist or sodimite
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 24, 2020, 09:32:10 AM
Post by: Badger on October 24, 2020, 09:41:53 AM
My recent camera roll is like 50% Gase memesWell make sure you're posting them all
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 25, 2020, 09:37:28 AM
My recent camera roll is like 50% Gase memes
You guys are giving yourselves a mental disorder. Smoke something and go outside.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 25, 2020, 09:39:28 AM
You guys are giving yourselves a mental disorder. Smoke something and go outside.Shut up and take in the misery.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 25, 2020, 09:41:09 AM
Shut up and take in the misery.
I've got Kershaw going tonight after a ridiculous ending last night. Can take so much in one day.
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 09:42:03 AM
I've got Kershaw going tonight after a ridiculous ending last night. Can take so much in one day.
Plus, the Devils signed Kulikov....im surprised you haven't stuck a gun in your mouth yet.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 25, 2020, 09:48:29 AM
Plus, the Devils signed Kulikov....im surprised you haven't stuck a gun in your mouth yet.
I don't know who that is, I'm an American.
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 09:50:19 AM
I don't know who that is, I'm an American.
Oh...you'll find out. Poor bastard.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 25, 2020, 10:02:50 AM
Oh...you'll find out. Poor bastard.
Haha that's down my list of problems right now bro.
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 03:27:57 PM
@RichCimini
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Gase says giving up play calling allowed him “to take a step back” and observe entire organization. #Jets
what
How daft is this lover of the older lady?
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 25, 2020, 03:29:05 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 25, 2020, 03:29:52 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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8m
Gase says giving up play calling allowed him “to take a step back” and observe entire organization. #Jets
what
How daft is this lover of the older lady?
It was reported the derriere hat actually spoke to a player on the sideline today when his head wasn’t lost in his play sheet
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 03:32:21 PM
Plenty of things to hate Gase for, but that answer is expected and meaningless.
Eric Allen
@eallenjets
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12m
Jets HC Adam Gase on giving play-calling duties to OC Dowell Loggains: I thought I should take a step back and really focus on every phase of the organization.
Gase says it's been about 8 or 9 years since he hasn't called the plays in the regular season.
#BUFvsNYJ
you don't think Gase should've been looking at every phase of the organization from the day he was hired? ok
stop defending Gase.
Post by: Johnny English on October 25, 2020, 03:32:52 PM
It was reported the derriere hat actually spoke to a player on the sideline today when his head wasn’t lost in his play sheet
At this point I'd really rather he didn't speak to any of the players.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 25, 2020, 03:34:38 PM
Eric AllenObviously, if someone isn't scripting the offensive game plan and calling every single offensive play, it gives them a chance to take a step back and take a more macro look at the team.
@eallenjets
·
12m
Jets HC Adam Gase on giving play-calling duties to OC Dowell Loggains: I thought I should take a step back and really focus on every phase of the organization.
Gase says it's been about 8 or 9 years since he hasn't called the plays in the regular season.
#BUFvsNYJ
you don't think Gase should've been looking at every phase of the organization from the day he was hired? ok
stop defending Gase.
Anyone who thinks that's a controversial statement is an idiot.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 25, 2020, 03:34:53 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 03:37:40 PM
Obviously, if someone isn't scripting the offensive game plan and calling every single offensive play, it gives them a chance to take a step back and take a more macro look at the team.
Anyone who thinks that's a controversial statement is an idiot.
Uhhh...what's he doing the rest of the week? He should be looking at all 3 phases of the team during practice, AND during the game. He's the HC ffs.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a bigger idiot.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 25, 2020, 03:39:30 PM
Uhhh...what's he doing the rest of the week? He should be looking at all 3 phases of the team during practice, AND during the game. He's the HC ffs.
How do you know he's not looking at the team as a whole?
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 03:40:50 PM
How do you know he's not looking at the team as a whole?
He just admitted he wasn't during his presser.
Post by: Jumbo on October 25, 2020, 03:42:23 PM
He just admitted he wasn't during his presser.
"really focus" =/= I was not focusing before
At least hate the douchebag for the normal douchey reasons that seem to actually be true
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 25, 2020, 03:43:50 PM
"really focus" =/= I was not focusing beforeSeriously. Plenty of real reasons to hate Gase. Jumping on a comment like this is just dumb.
At least hate the douchebag for the normal douchey reasons that seem to actually be true
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 03:50:16 PM
"really focus" =/= I was not focusing before
At least hate the douchebag for the normal douchey reasons that seem to actually be true
Lol ok
keep kissing his peepee.
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 03:50:42 PM
Seriously. Plenty of real reasons to hate Gase. Jumping on a comment like this is just dumb.
you'll defend him right till the end eh.....just admit you were wrong.
Post by: Jumbo on October 25, 2020, 03:51:29 PM
Lol ok
keep kissing his peepee.
Does it take work to be this stupid or does it just come to you naturally
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 25, 2020, 03:54:51 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 03:56:32 PM
Does it take work to be this stupid or does it just come to you naturally
Is that what you told the angry BLM protesters when they burnt down your business?
Post by: Jumbo on October 25, 2020, 03:57:16 PM
Is that what you told the angry BLM protesters when they burnt down your business?
Oh, so it comes naturally
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 03:58:30 PM
Death, taxes, and MBGreen making a fool of himself in every post-game thread.
Death, taxes, and Derek Smalls being wrong is a little more accurate.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 25, 2020, 03:59:02 PM
How do you know he's not looking at the team as a whole?
Because he said it.
Edit: although the defense and special teams have been excrement so maybe he was meddling there, too.
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 03:59:08 PM
Oh, so it comes naturally
i bet those flames were pretty high eh
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 03:59:37 PM
Because he said it.
Semantics expert Jumbo doesn't think so
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 04:01:07 PM
Post by: Jumbo on October 25, 2020, 04:11:25 PM
Why did it take you so long to come back to the board, Jumbo.... did it take you awhile to dig your Commodore 64 out of the rubble?
dont make me pull a 624
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 04:14:22 PM
dont make me pull a 624
You're gonna flex your 13 inch biceps and claim you got gainz?
Don't let me stop you.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 25, 2020, 04:17:50 PM
You're gonna flex your 13 inch biceps and claim you got gainz?
Don't let me stop you.
Serious DOMS after 135# 5x5 squat
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 25, 2020, 04:49:27 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
We lost with Loggains calling plays so I’m assuming Gase is going to assume that isn’t the answer and take the play sheet back.
we should be so lucky.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 25, 2020, 09:32:54 PM
You guys are giving yourselves a mental disorder. Smoke something and go outside.
lol dedicating significant time in the only life you get on this earth to being a Jets fan is a mental disorder
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 25, 2020, 09:34:38 PM
Gase’s wife at the dinner table
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 25, 2020, 09:35:01 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 26, 2020, 07:42:25 AM
Post by: Laxin on October 26, 2020, 08:27:36 AM
I can't believe they had Rhule, Kingsbury and Bieniemy in the building last year....and they hired Gase.
It’s not even like Gase is a personable guy. How the freak did he fool them
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2020, 08:33:38 AM
It’s not even like Gase is a personable guy. How the freak did he fool them
Peyton Manning
Post by: MBGreen on October 26, 2020, 08:44:56 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2020, 09:01:55 AM
It’s not even like Gase is a personable guy. How the freak did he fool themlaser eyes
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 26, 2020, 09:49:53 AM
It’s not even like Gase is a personable guy. How the freak did he fool them
I've felt like this going back to Rex (and it may have been the case previous to that as well).
The Johnsons are football-ignorant. They may enjoy the game, but the average poster on any Jets message board has more football acumen than Woody and Chris. They are "businessmen" who are impressed by someone who shows an impressive understanding of their field of specialization. Rex and Bowles have always been known as brilliant defensive minds. Gase, a brilliant offensive mind.
Obviously, none of us were in the room during interviews, but I'd be shocked if those three didn't wow the Johnsons with their schemes and terminology. That doesn't make them good leaders.
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2020, 10:02:36 AM
I freaking hate the Mannings more than Tom Brady
I've always liked both Mannings (no opinion on Archie) but Peyton is going to be on my excrement list for a while over this one.
Post by: cautious pessimism on October 26, 2020, 02:48:02 PM
It’s not even like Gase is a personable guy. How the freak did he fool them
Smelling salts. Lots and lots of smelling salts.
Post by: Badger on October 26, 2020, 07:06:31 PM
I freaking hate the Mannings more than Tom BradyIt's amazing how Peyton managed to screw us off the field twice, once before his NFL career and once after.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 27, 2020, 07:57:06 AM
It's amazing how Peyton managed to screw us off the field twice, once before his NFL career and once after.
Don't forget the 2009 AFC Championship, we were up 17-6. We did knock him out of the playoffs twice in his career, so there's that. I believe we ended his Colts career with Nick Folk.
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2020, 09:27:58 AM
Don't forget the 2009 AFC Championship, we were up 17-6. We did knock him out of the playoffs twice in his career, so there's that. I believe we ended his Colts career with Nick Folk.Well yeah, but I was excluding all the on-field times he made me hate him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 27, 2020, 12:02:39 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-20201026-5egqn7mmcvgy3k5vyiqmcweshy-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-20201026-5egqn7mmcvgy3k5vyiqmcweshy-story.html)
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 27, 2020, 12:18:05 PM
Well yeah, but I was excluding all the on-field times he made me hate him.
We'll always have 41-0 with Chad and Richie Anderson.
Post by: Johnny English on October 27, 2020, 12:57:35 PM
Just quality programming here.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-20201026-5egqn7mmcvgy3k5vyiqmcweshy-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jets-adam-gase-dowell-loggains-20201026-5egqn7mmcvgy3k5vyiqmcweshy-story.html)
I love how much Manish hates Gase.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2020, 02:28:29 PM
Gase 2021
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2020, 04:09:03 PM
Hahahahahahahah
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 29, 2020, 04:27:56 PM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1321893843042734080?s=21
Gase 2021
Makes me crazy. That should be a change of pace, not something you do every time.
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2020, 03:59:47 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 01, 2020, 04:06:11 PM
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1323012387637809152?s=19
Well Adam it’s time admit defeat and completely change the approach because absolutely nothing about this offense works. We have one “on schedule” intentional touchdown this season. Everything else was either Ad-libbed or a huge play after some broken tackles. Time to totally change it up
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 01, 2020, 04:18:51 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 01, 2020, 04:30:12 PM
The only way Mims or Perine are getting touches is if we cut all of our other playersJets sign Frank Gore 4 more times simultaneously.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 01, 2020, 08:53:54 PM
The only way Mims or Perine are getting touches is if we cut all of our other players
You can't have a coach trying to save his job while you're trying to evaluate players.
This is the #1 reason why Gase should already have been fired. It's also the clearest indication that the front office--namely those with the last name Johnson--have no idea how to run a sports franchise.
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 02, 2020, 02:45:10 AM
You can't have a coach trying to save his job while you're trying to evaluate players.
This is the #1 reason why Gase should already have been fired. It's also the clearest indication that the front office--namely those with the last name Johnson--have no idea how to run a sports franchise.
What scares me most is that I don't have 100% confidence that the front office wont bring Gaze back next year.
Post by: MBGreen on November 02, 2020, 06:52:17 AM
What scares me most is that I don't have 100% confidence that the front office wont bring Gaze back next year.
This will be where MBGreen and the NY Jets part ways.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 02, 2020, 07:25:21 AM
What scares me most is that I don't have 100% confidence that the front office wont bring Gaze back next year.
This will be where MBGreen and the NY Jets part ways.
Our owners are such clowns, that I actually had this exact same thought and would agree with MB...I'm done.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2020, 07:52:47 AM
What scares me most is that I don't have 100% confidence that the front office wont bring Gaze back next year.
When Johnson had his confidence presser a few weeks ago I started thinking this.
I'm now really concerned there is absolutely no intention of firing him. I've said it before--somewhat non-seriously--that he has the roster excuse, but trading away players and the constant rotation of injured reserve players keeps making that case stronger. Plus, he's "shown" it's not the playcalling that's the problem by handing the reins to Loggains.
If Gase is back next season, I may boycott it. I can't give up my fandom, but I also can't stomach another year of this clown.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 02, 2020, 07:54:16 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 02, 2020, 07:57:55 AM
I'm trying to imagine how you could go 0-16 and keep your coach.
Conventional wisdom doesn't apply to this franchise.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 07:58:52 AM
I'm trying to imagine how you could go 0-16 and keep your coach.
"But the injuries!"
"No one is winning with this roster!"
Post by: MBGreen on November 02, 2020, 08:00:10 AM
I'm trying to imagine how you could go 0-16 and keep your coach.
also
(https://i.imgur.com/xF0qb1x.jpg)
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2020, 08:00:39 AM
I'm trying to imagine how you could go 0-16 and keep your coach.
If Douglas and Gase are on the same page and have convinced Johnson that the team needs a complete scorched earth rebuild, with Gase tutoring Lawrence, I could see it easily.
We are here on a message board talking about how badly the last couple of GMs wrecked this roster. It shouldn't be too hard for Joe and Adam to make the same argument to Chris. Hell, for all we know, it's the argument Douglas made when negotiating his 6 year deal to come here in the first place.
Post by: MBGreen on November 02, 2020, 08:02:36 AM
If Douglas and Gase are on the same page and have convinced Johnson that the team needs a complete scorched earth rebuild, with Gase tutoring Lawrence, I could see it easily.
We are here on a message board talking about how badly the last couple of GMs wrecked this roster. It shouldn't be too hard for Joe and Adam to make the same argument to Chris. Hell, for all we know, it's the argument Douglas made when negotiating his 6 year deal to come here in the first place.
The problem with that scenario is you essentially scorch your fanbase too. Fans will most likely be back in the stands next year, not at Metlife if Gase is still employed.
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 08:12:47 AM
I'm trying to imagine how you could go 0-16 and keep your coach.
Cleveland kept Hue Jackson after going 1-15 and then 0-16.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 02, 2020, 08:15:57 AM
Cleveland kept Hue Jackson after going 1-15 and then 0-16.You shut your whore mouth.
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 08:18:41 AM
You shut your whore mouth.
What's more, it barely moved the needle on attendances - the fans continued to turn up. Which puts the lie to the idea that the Johnsons wouldn't keep Gase around out of fear that the fans would stop going to games.
Post by: MBGreen on November 02, 2020, 08:20:13 AM
Cleveland kept Hue Jackson after going 1-15 and then 0-16.
As usual, you're not helping.
Post by: MBGreen on November 02, 2020, 08:20:50 AM
What's more, it barely moved the needle on attendances - the fans continued to turn up. Which puts the lie to the idea that the Johnsons wouldn't keep Gase around out of fear that the fans would stop going to games.
see my previous post
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 08:21:43 AM
As usual, you're not helping.
see my previous post
Real world's a bitch.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 02, 2020, 08:22:15 AM
What's more, it barely moved the needle on attendances - the fans continued to turn up. Which puts the lie to the idea that the Johnsons wouldn't keep Gase around out of fear that the fans would stop going to games.*USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR BEING AN poopchute
Post by: MBGreen on November 02, 2020, 08:23:02 AM
Real world's a bitch.
Remember when you said you weren't a queynte the other day?
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 08:27:14 AM
Remember when you said you weren't a queynte the other day?
This isn't me being a queynte, this is me helping to ensure that you don't set yourself up to have your dreams smashed in a couple of months' time. I'm doing you a favour by preparing you for what could very well happen - it isn't like I haven't been talking about this for a while now, or warning you why Lawrence isn't going to magically make everything better.
The fact is that after a year of not going to games, with a highly rated rookie QB and presumably a bunch of other new players on the roster, the Jets are going to sell a lot of tickets and jerseys next season regardless of who the head coach is. There is a very real possibility that if Gase has Johnson's ear still, he's the one in charge of developing your boy wonder.
Post by: MBGreen on November 02, 2020, 08:28:55 AM
This isn't me being a queynte, this is me helping to ensure that you don't set yourself up to have your dreams smashed in a couple of months' time. I'm doing you a favour by preparing you for what could very well happen - it isn't like I haven't been talking about this for a while now, or warning you why Lawrence isn't going to magically make everything better.
The fact is that after a year of not going to games, with a highly rated rookie QB and presumably a bunch of other new players on the roster, the Jets are going to sell a lot of tickets and jerseys next season regardless of who the head coach is. There is a very real possibility that if Gase has Johnson's ear still, he's the one in charge of developing your boy wonder.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcT6bUQxmc3U5KwA_WPkTX2bdcRrkpSj7yq-Dw&usqp=CAU)
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2020, 08:29:11 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 08:31:48 AM
I'll put up $100 against anyone saying Gase is our coach for 2021. Loser donates to the site.
I wouldn't take that bet, I think the possibility is less than 50%. This is me being Nate Silver and telling you that there's a 30% chance that Trump will win the 2016 election, not Michael Moore telling you that he's definitely going to.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 02, 2020, 09:08:35 AM
"But the injuries!"
"No one is winning with this roster!"
"It's the OL!"
FYP
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on November 02, 2020, 09:15:39 AM
I'll put up $100 against anyone saying Gase is our coach for 2021. Loser donates to the site.
If someone really thinks Gase will be here starting next year, I suppose Puck might interest them with a bridge also...
Wake up, people.
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 10:02:54 AM
If someone really thinks Gase will be here starting next year, I suppose Puck might interest them with a bridge also...
Wake up, people.
Sure, can you point me to someone who has said that please?
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2020, 10:03:35 AM
Sure, can you point me to someone who has said that please?Lots of people are saying this
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 10:04:42 AM
Lot's of people are saying this
That Gase will be here next year?
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2020, 10:13:29 AM
That Gase will be here next year?I'm mocking conspiratorial speech patterns
Post by: bojanglesman on November 02, 2020, 10:52:24 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 02, 2020, 10:55:23 AM
I'll put up $100 against anyone saying Gase is our coach for 2021. Loser donates to the site.
I take your bet. It'll be win win either way. If Gase goes, I'll be glad to cough up the $100, if not, your money would be put to good use.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 02, 2020, 10:58:58 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 02, 2020, 11:01:37 AM
Brilliant job fundraising, Badger.
"Jetoffensive.....sponsored by Mexijet"
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2020, 11:08:42 AM
I take your bet. It'll be win win either way. If Gase goes, I'll be glad to cough up the $100, if not, your money would be put to good use.Deal
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2020, 11:51:14 AM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on November 02, 2020, 12:43:36 PM
Sure, can you point me to someone who has said that please?
I don't even...
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 12:46:04 PM
Frank Gore is on pace for 190 carries
I wish we'd give Gore the same regard we gave Bell. I can't stand him being the starter anymore.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 12:51:45 PM
I wish we'd give Gore the same regard we gave Bell. I can't stand him being the starter anymore.
He won't ask to be released or traded because he wants to tack on yards to his career totals
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 12:53:12 PM
He won't ask to be released or traded because he wants to tack on yards to his career totals
Let me rephrase: I want the Jets to cut Frank Gore. Screw his career totals.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 02, 2020, 12:53:29 PM
He won't ask to be released or traded because he wants to tack on yards to his career totals
It's a win-win. Someone has to run into the line for 2 yards a pop for eight more games.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2020, 09:11:35 AM
I saw a comment earlier that reminded me Gase’s offense runs through the slot receiver. Landry in MIA. Danny Amendola led the team in targets the year after Landry left.
2019 Targets
Amendola: 79
Stills: 64
Parker: 47
2018 Targets
Landry: 161
Stills: 105
Parker: 96
2017 Targets
Landry: 131
Stills: 87
Parker: 81
My theory is that when Crowder doesn’t play that Gase doesn’t have the ability to change the gameplan to gear towards throwing to Mims/Outside WRs or the TEs more. His offense revolves around throwing excrement screens and outs to the slot, even if it’s Berrios. Not a bad idea when it’s Crowder, our best receiver.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 03, 2020, 12:16:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 08, 2020, 09:46:06 AM
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2020/11/05/adam-gase-bill-belichick-funniest-person-hes-ever-been-around
Wonder if he's pitching for the Patriots OC job when McDaniels takes a HC job in the spring.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 08, 2020, 11:04:15 AM
I didn't think it would be possible to dislike this guy any more than I already did, but here we are.
https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2020/11/05/adam-gase-bill-belichick-funniest-person-hes-ever-been-around
Wonder if he's pitching for the Patriots OC job when McDaniels takes a HC job in the spring.
That'd be an interesting maneuver. Normally leople become POS head coaches AFTER they work under Belichick.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 08, 2020, 11:31:42 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 18, 2020, 11:48:42 AM
@RichCimini
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2m
Gase talks about playing as many young players as possible, yet Gore, 37, continues to have a major role. Gore is playing at "one of the higher levels of anybody we have right now," per Gase. He adds, "We'd love to get Perine more touches." #Jets
Gase is, and always will be, a fucktard.
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2020, 11:53:20 AM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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2m
Gase talks about playing as many young players as possible, yet Gore, 37, continues to have a major role. Gore is playing at "one of the higher levels of anybody we have right now," per Gase. He adds, "We'd love to get Perine more touches." #Jets
Gase is, and always will be, a fucktard.
To be fair to Gase, which I hate doing, Gore is doing pretty much all we can expect of him. He consistently runs for positive yards, doesn't turn the ball over, makes the best of what opportunities the playcalling and the line give him. It just doesn't benefit us in a lost season when there are young players who need reps.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 18, 2020, 11:57:42 AM
Perine is out there a lot more and is getting the majority of the pass protection reps too. It's not like we have a first round back sitting behind Gore. Perine is a fourth round, complimentary player and he's being used in a complimentary role.
Would I like him to get more touches? Of course, especially in the passing game. But this isn't that big of a deal.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 18, 2020, 12:32:45 PM
That said, I think Perine is an RB3 or RB2 long-term, so I don't ever see him being a feature back.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 18, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
That said, I think Perine is an RB3 or RB2 long-term, so I don't ever see him being a feature back.
How many feature backs are there these days? There's always a place on a 53 man roster for a versatile RB2 that can pass protect and catch the football. That's hopefully what he is for this team longterm.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 18, 2020, 12:57:09 PM
How many feature backs are there these days? There's always a place on a 53 man roster for a versatile RB2 that can pass protect and catch the football. That's hopefully what he is for this team longterm.That's fair. I should clarify that I don't really see him as a guy who gets >50% of the snaps long-term unless there are injuries. My hope is that Perine is the new Bilal Powell where he does everything relatively well.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2020, 01:32:35 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 18, 2020, 02:17:16 PM
It’s Perine’s first week as the “#1 back”, so Gore will need 20-25 touches so as not to overwhelm Lamical with his new job title
Honestly I’d be shocked if our rbs have 20-25 total touches. I think I read somewhere our backfield is averaging like 19 touches per game total this season.
I’m sure that is a function of always being down, a million 3 and outs and poor play in general but man that’s a terrible stat
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 18, 2020, 02:22:53 PM
Honestly I’d be shocked if our rbs have 20-25 total touches. I think I read somewhere our backfield is averaging like 19 touches per game total this season.
I’m sure that is a function of always being down, a million 3 and outs and poor play in general but man that’s a terrible stat
Yeah, it's hard to get the RBs involved when we can't stay on the field. And the only time we do stay on the field is when the passing game is going.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 20, 2020, 03:45:52 PM
Post by: Jumbo on November 22, 2020, 07:30:44 PM
Adam Gase does not believe having Dowell call the play to him, then him to QB, makes things more difficult. Apparently all Dowell has to say is “Play 25” and then Gase reads it off.
Also, Gase as veto power if he doesn’t like the play.
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 07:37:48 PM
Apparently this is the process for Dowell calling plays: https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1330672177423724547Lol
Adam Gase does not believe having Dowell call the play to him, then him to QB, makes things more difficult. Apparently all Dowell has to say is “Play 25” and then Gase reads it off.
Also, Gase as veto power if he doesn’t like the play.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 22, 2020, 07:51:49 PM
Apparently this is the process for Dowell calling plays: https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1330672177423724547
Adam Gase does not believe having Dowell call the play to him, then him to QB, makes things more difficult. Apparently all Dowell has to say is “Play 25” and then Gase reads it off.
Also, Gase as veto power if he doesn’t like the play.
This is really pathetic.
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 08:02:05 PM
This is really pathetic."Coaching to where football is going"
Post by: Heismanberg on November 22, 2020, 08:38:53 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 22, 2020, 08:41:31 PM
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 08:41:31 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 22, 2020, 08:47:02 PM
Apparently this is the process for Dowell calling plays: https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1330672177423724547
Adam Gase does not believe having Dowell call the play to him, then him to QB, makes things more difficult. Apparently all Dowell has to say is “Play 25” and then Gase reads it off.
Also, Gase as veto power if he doesn’t like the play.
That's really not that difficult if they are all communicating on the headset together.
Much like Adam Gase, Connor Hughes doesn't know excrement about football.
Post by: reuben on November 22, 2020, 08:49:49 PM
That's really not that difficult if they are all communicating on the headset together.
Much like Adam Gase, Connor Hughes doesn't know excrement about football.
It's a needless additional step in a 40-second-limit process. It's freaking retarded.
Post by: reuben on November 22, 2020, 08:58:41 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 22, 2020, 09:03:53 PM
It's a needless additional step in a 40-second-limit process. It's freaking retarded.
Hughes may also not understand how they are going about it.
Gase probably asks Loggains what he's calling and then decides if he's good with it. It makes sense and it's a very similar process that Reid and Bieniemy follow.
Post by: reuben on November 22, 2020, 09:08:36 PM
Hughes may also not understand how they are going about it.
True, he's probably Loggased the message.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 22, 2020, 09:09:40 PM
The whole "extra step" argument is overblown.
Post by: Jumbo on November 22, 2020, 09:16:23 PM
Hughes may also not understand how they are going about it.
Gase probably asks Loggains what he's calling and then decides if he's good with it. It makes sense and it's a very similar process that Reid and Bieniemy follow.
This is true, but I'm also curious about how much Gase vs. Reid use this veto power
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2020, 09:23:09 PM
It's either bullshit and he's still calling the plays, or it's introducing a needless delay in getting the playcall in. Having seen the postgame presser, I firmly believe it's the former.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 22, 2020, 09:26:22 PM
Gase also claims the veto power is only on 3rd and 4th downs.
It's either bullshit and he's still calling the plays
Loggains is calling the plays through Gase. The HC should ALWAYS have the right to change or challenge a playcall if they don't like it.
Not sure why this is so hard to believe. He explained the process. It makes perfect sense.
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it's introducing a needless delay in getting the playcall in.
No, it's not. If we aren't running a two-minute offense or any kind of hurry up, it's not taking up that much time.
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 09:28:33 PM
Loggase
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Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2020, 09:40:14 PM
Loggains is calling the plays through Gase. The HC should ALWAYS have the right to change or challenge a playcall if they don't like it.
Not sure why this is so hard to believe. He explained the process. It makes perfect sense.
No, it's not. If we aren't running a two-minute offense or any kind of hurry up, it's not taking up that much time.
I hear you, but it was clear no one, including the SNY crew, believed him. Everyone seems to believe he's just still calling the plays and publicly they're saying Loggains is doing it.
Honestly, I don't even care. Assuming Loggains is calling plays, it's not like either one is good at it, so it makes little difference anyway.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 22, 2020, 09:42:05 PM
Gase literally says that Loggains calls the plays, Gase relays them in, and he takes control during two-minute football because it speeds up the process.
Beat nerds like Cimini and Hughes will use this against him, but it's really not all that different from what a lot of other teams do.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2020, 09:58:33 PM
Watched the presser.
Gase literally says that Loggains calls the plays, Gase relays them in, and he takes control during two-minute football because it speeds up the process.
Beat nerds like Cimini and Hughes will use this against him, but it's really not all that different from what a lot of other teams do.
That wasn't how I interpreted what he said, but in fairness, I'm way past giving him any leeway. What I understood him to say was that he has veto power in the two-minute drills but otherwise, he's just relaying the play in.
If what you said is the case, then you're right, it's a non-story.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 22, 2020, 10:18:11 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 22, 2020, 11:06:39 PM
even gase came out with some fluff along the lines of how giving up the playcalling duties allowed him to see things differently and realize different things in-game
but it's obvious that, whether loggains is choosing the plays or not, gase is still spending the majority of his time fixated on his playsheet and relaying whatever cockamamie play was chosen to the QB
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 22, 2020, 11:08:36 PM
Duracell Lurchins does suck but I choose to believe he's a pure soul who's in over his head and not an arrogant dickhead like Gase.
this is most likely correct
still doesn't change the fact that the only person that will ever give him an nfl coaching position is gase, and there is a possibility he may never coach in the nfl again after this year. all in all i guess you can say we should feel a little bad for loggains, but nobody on this staff deserves any such benefit
Post by: Heismanberg on November 22, 2020, 11:10:02 PM
Whether it's Gase or Loggains or a combination of both, the offense is god awful.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2020, 12:52:35 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201123/6fb9e67e22fe646a28c694bac99dcfe7.jpg)
That'll replace the squid in my nightmares.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 23, 2020, 04:47:58 AM
Gase can put four plays on multiple choice via the internet and let fans pick A-B-C-D for all the shits I give. Who cares about this?Puck is.....right?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2020, 11:17:33 AM
freak this guy.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 23, 2020, 11:37:38 AM
freak this guy.
Interviewing on Friday.
freak no
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Kick the tires if you must, but players seem to hate him wherever he goes. Bottom of my list for sure.
No.
HARD. PASS.
Could just be sweating the HC of a divisional rival for some inside scoop on their team. Maybe consider him an OC candidate after the fact
As the one person on the hire Gase train, I'll be sure to bump this thread after the first 11-5 season.
you're going to have a hard time convincing me the universe didn't see these posts and then feel they had to guarantee the gase signing for the jets lmaooo
a slew of 'no way in hell' - type posts followed by our own board jester saying 'maybe it isn't actually a HC interview but just a spy session?' followed by MJ stating that he'd have a winning first season all but guaranteed that not only was this turd going to be our HC, he would also do absolutely horrible things to this/for this franchise
slam. dunk.
Post by: Badger on November 23, 2020, 12:31:59 PM
Fire GaseNailed it
Post by: Badger on November 23, 2020, 12:33:36 PM
This freaking guy. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190110/4e6359c7577c46dbf731eecd18deca1d.jpg)Aged like milk
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Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2020, 12:36:31 PM
Aged like milk
I have seen him suggested more than a few times on /r/nfl and /r/nyjets as a potential owner to replace the Johnsons. I quite like Gary, but he has neither the money nor the smarts to buy and run the team.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 23, 2020, 12:49:54 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 23, 2020, 01:21:09 PM
Do not want
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2020, 06:54:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 30, 2020, 07:50:31 AM
I would love to hear a reasonable explanation that isn’t just coach speak from Joe Douglas or ownership as to why he hasn’t been fired yet.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 30, 2020, 09:03:58 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 30, 2020, 09:05:57 AM
Supposedly Alex Lewis got into an argument with Gase in the locker room. That's why he was benched yesterday.
What a freaking bitch. How dare you disagree with me and my loser leadership.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 30, 2020, 09:08:01 AM
What a freaking bitch. How dare you disagree with me and my loser leadership.
Any coach would bench someone that comes at them in that setting, but it just goes to show that he's all but lost the locker room (if this rumor is true).
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 09:08:25 AM
Supposedly Alex Lewis got into an argument with Gase in the locker room. That's why he was benched yesterday.
the locker room descension begins....
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 30, 2020, 09:55:29 AM
Any coach would bench someone that comes at them in that setting, but it just goes to show that he's all but lost the locker room (if this rumor is true).
Gase himself admitted at his presser that it was a non-injury team decision for him to not play yesterday.
Can this be the final straw? If he's lost the locker room, it's doing damage to the team.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 30, 2020, 09:58:09 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 30, 2020, 10:03:31 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 30, 2020, 10:53:15 AM
Supposedly Alex Lewis got into an argument with Gase in the locker room. That's why he was benched yesterday.
I'm glad somebody started calling that poopchute out on his incompetent bullshit.
Lewis has been our worst starting OL, so if someone's getting benched, I'm fine with him being the guy, but still I'd like to at least see what Clark has if we are canning him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2020, 01:46:27 PM
Gotta get every edge we can.
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 01:51:02 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1333488595664039936
Gotta get every edge we can.
Even the backtracking attempt is pathetic.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 30, 2020, 02:03:41 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1333488595664039936
Gotta get every edge we can.
What competitive disadvantage? What would be the difference to the competition which of them was the decision-maker for the playcall? It's the same bunch of plays over and over, no matter who is deciding it.
This guy is such a damn clown.
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 02:05:17 PM
I wonder how many other teams use 2,3,4 guys to call plays.
Nice hire, Christopher Johnson.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 30, 2020, 02:18:03 PM
lol collaborative effort
I wonder how many other teams use 2,3,4 guys to call plays.
Nice hire, Christopher Johnson.
This clown refuses to admit failure by keeping Gase employed, and continues to look like a buffoon to the entire NFL
Post by: bojanglesman on November 30, 2020, 02:29:43 PM
This clown refuses to admit failure by keeping Gase employed, and continues to look like a buffoon to the entire NFLYou're overthinking it. It's just easier to let him sink the ship instead of going through the hassle of rigging up an interim staff to do the same thing. Gase is doing a great job at what he needs to do now.
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 02:35:41 PM
You're overthinking it. It's just easier to let him sink the ship instead of going through the hassle of rigging up an interim staff to do the same thing. Gase is doing a great job at what he needs to do now.
this
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 30, 2020, 03:26:12 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 30, 2020, 03:57:09 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2020, 04:00:45 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 30, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
I honestly don't care, as long as he's gone. I don't even hate the guy, he's just obviously not up for the job and we need to move on. Pretty sure we will at this point, although MB would be priceless to read if for some reason we don't.I'd disappear into the mountains...never to return.
Post by: IATA on November 30, 2020, 04:25:11 PM
I'd be on board firing him during the last game once we are down by 20, requiring him to leave the field midgame in shame.Only if they make the stadium PA announce it and place a cartoon graphic of him getting thrown out on the board, with "hit the road jack" playing the background.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2020, 04:32:00 PM
Only if they make the stadium PA announce it and place a cartoon graphic of him getting thrown out on the board, with "hit the road jack" playing the background.Bring back the in-game videos where we would have like fighter jets bomb Dolphins and Buffalo, except do it with Gase.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2020, 04:42:16 PM
I'd disappear into the mountains...never to return.
Now I'm torn. Maybe I can make another year.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 30, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
I'd disappear into the mountains...never to return.
Except Jeremy Bates did...and had Sam playing at a pretty high level as a rookie
Post by: Libero_2 on November 30, 2020, 09:50:35 PM
Except Jeremy Bates did...and had Sam playing at a pretty high level as a rookie
great reference
Post by: Libero_2 on November 30, 2020, 09:51:30 PM
I'd be on board firing him during the last game once we are down by 20, requiring him to leave the field midgame in shame.
This would be the greatest thing ever. Firing him at Halftime (has this ever actually happened before? I imagine not) of week 17 would be the best possible way to humiliate the guy.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 03, 2020, 10:19:36 AM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1334531398196211716
I appreciate the honesty at least.
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2020, 10:25:02 AM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1334531184202817536
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1334531398196211716
I appreciate the honesty at least.
Just about to post this.
He's done here. This was his prime directive from ownership.
Post by: IATA on December 03, 2020, 10:27:44 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 03, 2020, 10:39:01 AM
my kids do this when they realize their excrement isnt gonna work, they start telling me all sorts of truths and things i wanna hear so that when the time for punishment comes i'm more lenient.
What's the version of leniency in firing Gase? not lighting his office on fire as he walks out of the building?
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2020, 10:44:34 AM
my kids do this when they realize their excrement isnt gonna work, they start telling me all sorts of truths and things i wanna hear so that when the time for punishment comes i'm more lenient.
Gase was brought here to improve the offense and develop Sam Darnold. He's failed miserably on both tasks.
Not only is that a recipe to get fired from his current job. I doubt he gets another OC job offer.
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2020, 11:13:58 AM
What's the version of leniency in firing Gase? not lighting his office on fire as he walks out of the building?Writing a nice letter of recommendation to the Argonauts
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 03, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
What's the version of leniency in firing Gase? not lighting his office on fire as he walks out of the building?
Not lighting him on fire as he leaves the building.
Post by: delavan on December 03, 2020, 06:31:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 04, 2020, 10:56:20 AM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1334531184202817536
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1334531398196211716
I appreciate the honesty at least.
First shred of accountability he’s shown
Post by: MBGreen on December 04, 2020, 11:13:00 AM
#TankApproved
Post by: Badger on December 04, 2020, 11:40:17 AM
Gase told the media this morning they'll be flying back to NY in between the Seahawks and Rams games...instead of staying out west.I figured this since the Raiders didn't stay out East for our game.
#TankApproved
Post by: bojanglesman on December 04, 2020, 12:11:11 PM
Gase told the media this morning they'll be flying back to NY in between the Seahawks and Rams games...instead of staying out west.Gore runs for 2 yards more efficiently after an East Coast break.
#TankApproved
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 05, 2020, 04:02:54 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 05, 2020, 05:25:30 PM
Seemingly slightly more confidence in Gase than fans had in Bowles?
Post by: Libero_2 on December 05, 2020, 06:59:01 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 05, 2020, 07:12:15 PM
https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1335327242780631046?s=21
this is wonderful
Post by: bojanglesman on December 05, 2020, 07:55:29 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 06, 2020, 04:31:28 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 06, 2020, 04:33:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1335711249519271936
I'm convinced Greggggg opening his mouth sealed his fate in terms of not getting a shot as interim head coach.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 06, 2020, 06:48:15 PM
damn, maccagnan drafted two safeties in a row in 2017
damn
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 06, 2020, 06:50:11 PM
marcus maye is a nice player but functionally he's still a 'JAG' - type player to me even though he is admittedly just above that, but anyways i'll always be pissed we drafted him over darvin (dalvin cook)https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1335706906258714626
damn, maccagnan drafted two safeties in a row in 2017
damn
Maye ripped Gregg after the game. Surprised nobody has posted this.
Post by: Johnny English on December 06, 2020, 06:52:03 PM
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1335706906258714626
Maye ripped Gregg after the game. Surprised nobody has posted this.
https://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,5135.msg403776.html#msg403776
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 06, 2020, 11:49:15 PM
marcus maye is a nice player but functionally he's still a 'JAG' - type player to me even though he is admittedly just above that, but anyways i'll always be pissed we drafted him over darvin (dalvin cook)
damn, maccagnan drafted two safeties in a row in 2017
damn
Mods sticky this post
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 07, 2020, 01:06:24 AM
marcus maye is a nice player but functionally he's still a 'JAG' - type player to me even though he is admittedly just above that, but anyways i'll always be pissed we drafted him over darvin (dalvin cook)
damn, maccagnan drafted two safeties in a row in 2017
damn
I was so pissed off about this and I remember someone saying that the secondary was going to be set for a decade. Lol.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 07, 2020, 04:26:13 AM
sam is obviously done here but it doesn't help that he's been with a coach that literally has held minimal regard for his health while being placed in charge of his tutelage. he has fvcked up the handling of both darnold's and becton's in-game knocks multiple times this season and they missed added games on top of those knocks because of it; i can only imagine what happens during practice and behind the scenes
this was on my mind but i understand it's a completely unnecessary post as there are an innumerable amount of reasons why gase is just a straight up detestable and deplorable human being
Post by: reuben on December 07, 2020, 07:14:14 AM
i don't know if it's just me but it feels like every time this team gets into the rare goal line situation, this unimaginative 'offensive genius''s go-to play includes a designed run with darnold basically throwing his body on the line. it's felt that way for the past 2 years. he's not fvckin cam newton, and even cam gets his body thrown around too much even though that's all he can do anymore.
I have no problems with designed runs for Darnold. In fact I think there should be a whole lot more of them, at least in between the 20's. The kid can run, they're great confidence builders, and if the defense needs to spy him, that makes it easier for him in the passing game. Instead we're seeing play calls designed for a statue like Peyton Manning because they're the only plays in Gase's repertoire that have ever been successful.
Post by: reuben on December 07, 2020, 07:21:27 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 07, 2020, 07:50:25 AM
Also I've always suspected that successful teams with play-stretching QB's - Chiefs, Steelers, Seahawks - invest above average time and planning in scramble drills. Gase's WR instruction for broken plays is probably more along the lines of "get open and execute better next series."
Feels like that's the instruction to every single player on the roster in every situation.
Post by: insanity on December 07, 2020, 07:53:33 AM
Also I've always suspected that successful teams with play-stretching QB's - Chiefs, Steelers, Seahawks - invest above average time and planning in scramble drills. Gase's WR instruction for broken plays is probably more along the lines of "get open and execute better next series."Gase also tells that to the defense on scramble drills
Post by: MBGreen on December 07, 2020, 08:12:15 AM
Mods sticky this post
time to earn your fake paycheck.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
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Gase said “I wish I would have” overruled the Cover 0 call by calling a timeout.
He’ll overrule Loggains on 3rd down to go to a Frank Gore dive, but not this
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 07, 2020, 03:39:09 PM
He’ll overrule Loggains on 3rd down to go to a Frank Gore dive, but not this
he couldn't overrule that call, he was inexplicably looking at the plahysheet and trying to figure out which plays will be called during our next drive
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 07, 2020, 03:49:43 PM
Everyone has to go.
Post by: Johnny English on December 07, 2020, 03:52:02 PM
In Gase's defense, what offensive-minded head coach expects to overrule his defensive coordinator on one individual play call? I can't imagine a coach doing it.
Everyone has to go.
Rex used to do it the other way round. Not always very successfully, mind.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2020, 04:05:05 PM
In Gase's defense, what offensive-minded head coach expects to overrule his defensive coordinator on one individual play call? I can't imagine a coach doing it.
Everyone has to go.
Gase prob doesn’t even know what Cover 0 means anyways
Post by: MBGreen on December 07, 2020, 04:27:16 PM
Gase prob doesn’t even know what Cover 0 means anywayshttps://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1336073157950713857?s=19
Post by: Heismanberg on December 07, 2020, 06:05:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1336073157950713857?s=19
Yeah, I'm sure the HC wearing a headset didn't know the playcall.
And there's no way to tell if he's watching the play or not.
Completely useless takes and clips from Nania.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2020, 06:19:36 PM
Yeah, I'm sure the HC wearing a headset didn't know the playcall.
And there's no way to tell if he's watching the play or not.
Completely useless takes and clips from Nania.
That’s the point. He knew the playcall, proceeded to laser eyes a random person on the sideline whilst fingering his poopchute, and then fired Gregg when it predictably backfired. Like I said before, Gase has said he’s overruled Dowell for low leverage 3rd down calls during the middle of the game. He even admits he “regrets” not using a timeout to reverse the call. Why not step in here if you think it’s a terrible call. Everyone seems to think it was after the fact.
I’m not pinning this on anyone other than Gregggg, but it’s just another scenario where Gase has proved to be a useless poopchute.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2020, 06:20:37 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2020, 06:45:55 PM
That’s the point. He knew the playcall, proceeded to laser eyes a random person on the sideline whilst fingering his poopchute, and then fired Gregg when it predictably backfired. Like I said before, Gase has said he’s overruled Dowell for low leverage 3rd down calls during the middle of the game. He even admits he “regrets” not using a timeout to reverse the call. Why not step in here if you think it’s a terrible call. Everyone seems to think it was after the fact.Hey, you don't know if he was fingering his poopchute.
I’m not pinning this on anyone other than Gregggg, but it’s just another scenario where Gase has proved to be a useless poopchute.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 07, 2020, 07:00:24 PM
Yeah, I'm sure the HC wearing a headset didn't know the playcall.
And there's no way to tell if he's watching the play or not.
Completely useless takes and clips from Nania.
As a person who coaches (albeit not football) I have definitely had moments in a big game when right before the play starts I look away and catch my breath or have that "jesus please let's just make the play here" moment and I turn back as the play begins. I'm quite certain Gase was having one of those moments. Gase is guilty of almost anything people wanna pin on him, but this is not something to hold against him. It's human nature and something we all were thinking right before that play, no matter which result you were rooting for.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 07, 2020, 07:08:12 PM
That’s the point. He knew the playcall, proceeded to laser eyes a random person on the sideline whilst fingering his poopchute, and then fired Gregg when it predictably backfired. Like I said before, Gase has said he’s overruled Dowell for low leverage 3rd down calls during the middle of the game. He even admits he “regrets” not using a timeout to reverse the call. Why not step in here if you think it’s a terrible call. Everyone seems to think it was after the fact.If the offensive head coach is so confused by defensive play calls in the final seconds where he's calling time out to overrule him, then we have much bigger problems. Yes, Gase is the head coach, but I can't blame him for not calling time out, and I don't care where he's staring or what he's watching. That means nothing. Maybe he's doing nothing and wandering aimlessly. Maybe he's coaching somebody up. I have no idea. And I don't really care.
I’m not pinning this on anyone other than Gregggg, but it’s just another scenario where Gase has proved to be a useless poopchute.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2020, 07:17:23 PM
I have no idea. And I don't really care.
-Gase on the final play of the game
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 07, 2020, 08:09:03 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2020, 08:34:22 AM
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A closer look at the TV replay shows Gase exhibiting no concern whatsoever before the play, a 46-yard touchdown reception by the Las Vegas Raiders. He is seen walking casually along the sideline in the opposite direction, his back to the line of scrimmage. He stops and turns toward the field a moment before the snap. He doesn't look like a coach who believes his defensive coordinator has just called a horrific play and that disaster is imminent. If Gase had been paying close attention, he would have noticed the safeties were only 10 yards deep -- 36 yards from the end zone! They were grossly out of position for a Hail Mary-type situation. He had one timeout left; he should have used it to discuss the play with Williams, especially after what happened on the previous play. The safeties got beat deep, but they got lucky because of a Derek Carr overthrow in the end zone.
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That a head coach didn't take control in a situation like that is unfathomable. Gase second-guessed himself for not calling timeout, but that's easy to say after the fact. Williams took the fall because it was a bad call that defied football logic, but Gase deserves plenty of blame, too. His decision to fire Williams provided cover.
Gase is the worst.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 13, 2020, 09:03:31 AM
https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/85213/could-new-york-jets-pursue-bill-cowher-for-coaching-job-cowher-says
Gase is the worst.
I’ll say the same thing I said when Nanias tweet about this popped out. As someone who has coached at a pretty high level in HS sports (non football) I have had many moments where I close my eyes or turn away from the court a shade to collect myself before a big play. Often thinking various thoughts such as “oh please dear god let them execute” “just one more, we’ve got this” and “no mistakes, no mistakes”
Given where the season has been and what must have been going through Gases mind was probably something like one of the ones I listed above. Once the play is about to begin he snaps back to the field much as I have many times. I fully believe Gase had one of those moments and even though he’s awful and I despise almost everything he has ever done for this franchise I will not hold that against him, and I don’t believe anyone else should either. His mental state or decision would have been no better had he just closed his eyes while staring at the field to take a deep breath, but the optics would be 100x better as stupid claims like this would never have been made.
Hell he may have been having a private debate within himself about should I call a TO or not for all we know.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2020, 02:13:38 PM
I’ll say the same thing I said when Nanias tweet about this popped out. As someone who has coached at a pretty high level in HS sports (non football) I have had many moments where I close my eyes or turn away from the court a shade to collect myself before a big play. Often thinking various thoughts such as “oh please dear god let them execute” “just one more, we’ve got this” and “no mistakes, no mistakes”I agree. Gase is a bad coach. Plenty of things to blame him for. I don't care what he's looking at at that point. I also don't blame him for trusting his DC to make the right call. Blame him for hiring Gregg. Gregg is gonna do what Gregg is gonna do.
Given where the season has been and what must have been going through Gases mind was probably something like one of the ones I listed above. Once the play is about to begin he snaps back to the field much as I have many times. I fully believe Gase had one of those moments and even though he’s awful and I despise almost everything he has ever done for this franchise I will not hold that against him, and I don’t believe anyone else should either. His mental state or decision would have been no better had he just closed his eyes while staring at the field to take a deep breath, but the optics would be 100x better as stupid claims like this would never have been made.
Hell he may have been having a private debate within himself about should I call a TO or not for all we know.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 13, 2020, 02:30:09 PM
Blame him for hiring Gregg.
He didn't hire Gregg Williams.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 13, 2020, 02:34:24 PM
He didn't hire Gregg Williams.Blame him anyway
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2020, 02:43:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 13, 2020, 04:30:42 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 13, 2020, 04:31:16 PM
I still think Greg Williams was a better hire than Gase
They were both awful hires
Post by: Jumbo on December 13, 2020, 04:32:34 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 13, 2020, 04:42:42 PM
They're both massive douchebags with giant undeserved egos
i am not a fan nor a defendant of gegg williams but he is a superbowl champion as a DC
adam gase is arguably the most meritless hire at HC in the entire history of the NFL
Post by: Badger on December 13, 2020, 04:49:13 PM
They're both massive douchebags with giant undeserved egosYes, they're NFL coaches.
Post by: Jumbo on December 13, 2020, 04:55:20 PM
i am not a fan nor a defendant of gegg williams but he is a superbowl champion as a DC
adam gase is arguably the most meritless hire at HC in the entire history of the NFL
Imagine going 6-19 as HC for a team, getting fired, coaching for another team at 17-29-1, getting fired, and then having the original team hire you again. Then, getting 3 years as coach of the original team you got fired from and getting 3 years to go 11-32. Imagine coaching for 9 NFL seasons and never winning more than 6 games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Campbell
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 13, 2020, 05:04:45 PM
Imagine going 6-19 as HC for a team, getting fired, coaching for another team at 17-29-1, getting fired, and then having the original team hire you again. Then, getting 3 years as coach of the original team you got fired from and getting 3 years to go 11-32. Imagine coaching for 9 NFL seasons and never winning more than 6 games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Campbell
that coaching record is bad but at the least he was a high level NFL player and earned those types of honors accordingly. i'm sure his time as a player helped with him obtaining a job, and you have to factor in that this was the 60s as well. but thank you for bringing him up as i had never heard of him prior to this
gase literally got a job being a nerd to vermeil and jerking off to kurt warner - marshall faulk, and being the person that said 'yeah peyton that sounds like a good play you chose, let's run it' for a year
Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2020, 05:14:48 PM
I still think Greg Williams was a better hire than Gase
They could have hired Peter Griffin and that would have been a better hire.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
Gase has ruined Darnold, risked his and Becton’s health with poor decisions, and runs Frank Gore into the ground just to defy logic
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2020, 06:10:07 PM
Quinnen has broken out under Gregg. Jamal dominated last year. Gregg’s defense kept this team competitive last year.
Gase has ruined Darnold, risked his and Becton’s health with poor decisions, and runs Frank Gore into the ground just to defy logic
“Kill the head and the body will die”
Post by: Libero_2 on December 13, 2020, 06:16:08 PM
“Kill the head and the body will die”
If Greg is the head and the body is the defense, that plan worked quite well today
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 13, 2020, 06:21:50 PM
If Greg is the head and the body is the defense, that plan worked quite well today
The defense has looked like excrement for most of this season. Williams oroved he shouldn’t be retained by week 2. I’m just upsethe’s the only ine that was fired so far.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 13, 2020, 06:42:15 PM
The defense has looked like excrement for most of this season. Williams oroved he shouldn’t be retained by week 2. I’m just upsethe’s the only ine that was fired so far.
Oh I get it. We are averaging 14 ppg now and giving up 30.2 ppg.
Our point differential is something absurd like 393 allowed to 183 scored. For an absurd -210 point differential through 13 games. I’m struggling to see how we don’t set a record for worst point differential ever at this point
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 13, 2020, 08:14:30 PM
i swear we have to have the most 3-and-outs in the league
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2020, 08:28:32 PM
Oh I get it. We are averaging 14 ppg now and giving up 30.2 ppg.
Our point differential is something absurd like 393 allowed to 183 scored. For an absurd -210 point differential through 13 games. I’m struggling to see how we don’t set a record for worst point differential ever at this point
The record for a 16 game season is -274 by the 81 Colts, which is 17.125 ppg. We're currently on track to be the 4th worst ever, behind the Colts, the '90 Patriots and the '09 Rams.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2020, 08:38:50 PM
The record for a 16 game season is -274 by the 81 Colts, which is 17.125 ppg. We're currently on track to be the 4th worst ever, behind the Colts, the '90 Patriots and the '09 Rams.
Prob not enough fan support.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 17, 2020, 10:09:58 AM
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Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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2h
Gase says ownership “deserves better.” Not often a coach admits that. #Jets
Watch ownership still keep him
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 17, 2020, 10:20:36 AM
Watch ownership still keep him
You should talk to somebody.
Post by: MBGreen on December 17, 2020, 10:27:17 AM
Watch ownership still keep him
Are you whipping yourself with a belt buckle too?
Post by: bojanglesman on December 17, 2020, 10:38:39 AM
Are you whipping yourself with a belt buckle too?
He's making bank on this excrement.
Post by: MBGreen on December 21, 2020, 09:47:34 AM
He absolutely doesn't deserve to finish the season. I'd rather see Howell Boobgains run the team in week 16 and/or 17.
I can't think of a single person that has fucked this franchise more in the last 25 years.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
Honest question: Why is this poopchute still employed?
He absolutely doesn't deserve to finish the season. I'd rather see Howell Boobgains run the team in week 16 and/or 17.
I can't think of a single person that has fucked this franchise more in the last 25 years.
He hasn’t lost the locker room which is both impressive and shocking.
Post by: MBGreen on December 21, 2020, 09:54:39 AM
He hasn’t lost the locker room which is both impressive and shocking.
and scary
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 21, 2020, 01:12:03 PM
He hasn’t lost the locker room which is both impressive and shocking.
Good news is his ability to hold the team together during terrible seasons.
Bad news is the terrible seasons.
Post by: MBGreen on December 21, 2020, 01:20:39 PM
@RichCimini
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6m
Gase on Christopher Johnson: He was happy for players and coaches. "He was just really happy for everybody." #Jets
Come home, Woody.
Post by: Badger on December 21, 2020, 01:59:24 PM
He hasn’t lost the locker room which is both impressive and shocking.Counterpoint: says who?
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 21, 2020, 02:03:44 PM
Counterpoint: says who?That's fair, nobody knows, but Maye and others were giving the coaching staff credit for the win yesterday.
Maye did not need to include the coaches there at all, especially considering what he said about Gregg a few weeks ago.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2020, 02:03:56 PM
Counterpoint: says who?
They are still playing hard and no one has quit.
I think Gregg was more of a poisonous presence than Gase.
Post by: Johnny English on December 21, 2020, 02:18:55 PM
They are still playing hard and no one has quit.
I think Gregg was more of a poisonous presence than Gase.
I was impressed with Bush's defense yesterday. Secondary looked better than we've seen this season, and even when we lost Q guys were still playing hard up front to stop a good running game. Hyper aggressive defense is fun to a point, but we just became predictable under Williams.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2020, 02:43:21 PM
Post by: Badger on December 21, 2020, 02:48:49 PM
I was impressed with Bush's defense yesterday. Secondary looked better than we've seen this season, and even when we lost Q guys were still playing hard up front to stop a good running game. Hyper aggressive defense is fun to a point, but we just became predictable under Williams.I'm sure it'll look great on his résumé when he's trying to get hired as a position coach somewhere else next year.
Post by: MBGreen on December 21, 2020, 04:17:27 PM
I was impressed with Bush's defense yesterday. Secondary looked better than we've seen this season, and even when we lost Q guys were still playing hard up front to stop a good running game. Hyper aggressive defense is fun to a point, but we just became predictable under Williams.
who gives a excrement...this season is a wash.
Post by: reuben on December 21, 2020, 04:18:37 PM
They are still playing hard and no one has quit.
I think Gregg was more of a poisonous presence than Gase.
Does anyone in this locker room really have the luxury of quitting though? There's a couple young guys who are trying to make names for themselves and then a ton of fringe roster players who will either be on practice squads or out of the league next season depending on their 2020 tape. And Frank Gore.
Really the only player with enough clout to quit for one season quit before week 1.
Post by: Badger on December 26, 2020, 09:57:01 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/1343026959530532865?s=19
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 26, 2020, 10:12:23 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2020, 10:24:45 PM
The franchise would also be able to conduct second interviews with guys like Joe Brady and Robert Saleh because their teams are not in the playoffs.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 26, 2020, 10:30:36 PM
All aboard the lose by 50 train tomorrow just to make sure he’s out
Post by: Libero_2 on December 26, 2020, 10:31:41 PM
Fire him in Week 16 and you can interview all candidates ahead of the playoffs.
The franchise would also be able to conduct second interviews with guys like Joe Brady and Robert Saleh because their teams are not in the playoffs.
Those are two of my favorite candidates. Sales because I imagine he’s going to be a good CEO leader of a football team, and Brady because he has the chance to be the next great offensive mind and I’d rather hire him now than miss out on him entirely
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 26, 2020, 10:37:23 PM
I assume next week we will hear either that Gase will be fired after the game, or he might even get fired after this game.
With Kotite they announced it going into the last game, Saturday night or Sunday morning. Then we had to wait until after the Super Bowl to even talk to Parcells.
Post by: MBGreen on December 26, 2020, 10:40:20 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 26, 2020, 11:51:28 PM
With Kotite they announced it going into the last game, Saturday night or Sunday morning. Then we had to wait until after the Super Bowl to even talk to Parcells.
Fuckin morons press conference is absolutely surreal. "I didn't get fired. I'm not quitting." LOL, OK GUY.
Again, its the lowest bar imaginable, but Kotite is still the worst coach in this franchises history.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2020, 12:53:39 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 27, 2020, 05:51:48 AM
So if we win we won't fire him.....just because we won a game?If we lose, he's fired.
If we win, he's extended.
If we tie, he's fired and Dowell is extended.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2020, 06:44:47 AM
If we lose, he's fired..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201227/468387067d045745963b8730743fff3e.gif)
If we win, he's extended.
If we tie, he's fired and Dowell is extended.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 27, 2020, 03:55:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 27, 2020, 03:56:05 PM
You can feel the firing in the air....exhilarating.
Ouch
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 27, 2020, 03:56:35 PM
Those are two of my favorite candidates. Sales because I imagine he’s going to be a good CEO leader of a football team, and Brady because he has the chance to be the next great offensive mind and I’d rather hire him now than miss out on him entirely
Sales CEO
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2020, 04:01:05 PM
Ouch
must've been one of my farts
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2020, 04:01:54 PM
“The players who play for him love to play for him.”
Cut him now.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 27, 2020, 04:03:38 PM
“Coach Gase is a great coach and a great friend. I hope he’s still around (in 2021)” - Tarell BashamWait, I thought all the players hated Gase. That doesn't fit the narrative.
“The players who play for him love to play for him.”
Cut him now.
(unless you want to say all GOOD players hate Gase, then...maybe)
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
Wait, I thought all the players hated Gase. That doesn't fit the narrative.
(unless you want to say all GOOD players hate Gase, then...maybe)
"Gase allowed Gore to reach his rushing goals, what a swell guy"
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2020, 04:06:35 PM
Sales CEOSales is to Saleh as Red was to Rex
Damn you autocorrect
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2020, 06:11:21 PM
Wait, I thought all the players hated Gase. That doesn't fit the narrative.
(unless you want to say all GOOD players hate Gase, then...maybe)
Basham wants a job. Gase is more likely to give it to him than a new coach is. I think it’s basically that simple
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2020, 06:11:45 PM
Basham wants a job. Gase is more likely to give it to him than a new coach is. I think it’s basically that simpleBingo
Post by: mj2sexay on December 28, 2020, 08:44:27 AM
Because I'd gladly take Frank Reich, Kevin Stefanski or McVay as head coach of this football team.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 28, 2020, 09:38:48 AM
Bush has done a nice job with the defense. I wonder if Gase had not had Williams forced on him, and actually hired a playcalling OC rather than a flunky, would he have had more success here?
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 28, 2020, 10:49:22 AM
Bush has done a nice job with the defense. I wonder if Gase had not had Williams forced on him, and actually hired a playcalling OC rather than a flunky, would he have had more success here?
williams' unit was unequivocally the best part of our team last year and was the reason why we were in many of the games we were in, even during that horrible first half of the year. but this is neither here nor there, because both gase and williams are excrement.
gase gets no mulligan here. he is one of the all-time worst HCs ever to coach in this league. as badger has already stated, his firing will be the brightest moment of the season
Post by: Badger on December 28, 2020, 10:58:24 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 12:50:47 PM
As someone who can't remember the Kotite era, Gase is easily the worst Jets HC I've experienced.
Kotite was actually worse beginning to end, there were no late season surges to even give you false hope. We went 4-28.
Post by: MBGreen on December 28, 2020, 01:37:35 PM
Do it
Post by: reuben on December 28, 2020, 03:23:32 PM
Kotite was actually worse beginning to end, there were no late season surges to even give you false hope. We went 4-28.
Rich Kotite made a mediocre team terrible. Adam Gase ruined the best quarterback we've ever drafted and turned a young core of players brimming with promise into JAG's and malcontents. And it was obvious he was going to do both before his first day on the job, unless you were intentionally deluding yourself just to enjoy the season.
Adam Gase is the worst coach in Jets history. I don't give a excrement about the record.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 03:24:15 PM
Adam Gase ruined the best quarterback we've ever drafted
Gase did not ruin Chad Pennington
Post by: reuben on December 28, 2020, 03:35:37 PM
Gase did not ruin Chad Pennington
We passed on Pennington twice before taking him. I stand by my statement.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 03:36:54 PM
We passed on Pennington twice before taking him. I stand by my statement.
We should've passed on Sam Darnold twice (at 3 or if we stayed 6).
HINDSIGHT BABBIE
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 04:10:31 PM
Rich Kotite made a mediocre team terrible. Adam Gase ruined the best quarterback we've ever drafted and turned a young core of players brimming with promise into JAG's and malcontents. And it was obvious he was going to do both before his first day on the job, unless you were intentionally deluding yourself just to enjoy the season.
Adam Gase is the worst coach in Jets history. I don't give a excrement about the record.
We'll see how these guys turn out. Kotite had a veteran Boomer Esiason as his QB, the second year we signed a bunch of FAs including Neil O'Donnell straight off a Super Bowl team, and drafted Keyshawn to pair with Chrebet. Parcells went 9-7 with the same roster that was 1-15, the following year we were 12-4 with most of the same players.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 04:19:32 PM
We should've passed on Sam Darnold twice (at 3 or if we stayed 6).
HINDSIGHT BABBIE
We passed on Mahomes, Watson, Brady, Marino, so did just about every other team.
In 47 years watching this team, the best season by far was 1998 with Vinny who we signed as a 35 year old backup. Get a good coach and build the team, then a lot of QBs can succeed.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 28, 2020, 07:45:28 PM
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https://www.jetnation.com/2020/12/28/report-gase-to-be-fired-after-sundays-game-joe-douglas-to-lead-head-coaching-search/
Time to rejoice?
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 28, 2020, 07:46:45 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 28, 2020, 07:49:21 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 28, 2020, 07:56:58 PM
The ending of the article saying the new HC would get to determine Sam's fate only makes sense doesn't it? If the coach wants to keep him around he should have the option, at least for next year.
Post by: MBGreen on December 28, 2020, 08:03:30 PM
Time to rejoice?You were ready to cut your wrists a few days ago
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2020, 08:24:21 PM
Based on the way Gase has been talking, I wouldn't be surprised if Gase was told about this weeks ago and was basically asked if he'd rather coach out the season or not.
Seems unlikely. Why would the organization give him that choice?
Post by: bojanglesman on December 28, 2020, 08:25:39 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 08:27:03 PM
"Ustadium source". Lol
I noticed that too lol.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 28, 2020, 08:40:17 PM
Seems unlikely. Why would the organization give him that choice?Because they respect him and want to be upfront with him. Everyone knows this season has been terrible. I'm sure it would be a massive elephant in the room if it hadn't been brought up. Midseason coaching changes in the NFL are useless.
Schefter said over a month ago that he's gone. Gase admitted publicly he didn't do a good job with Darnold.
I could be wrong. I have no clue. But it seems possible.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 08:42:15 PM
Because they respect him and want to be upfront with him. Everyone knows this season has been terrible. I'm sure it would be a massive elephant in the room if it hadn't been brought up. Midseason coaching changes in the NFL are useless.
Schefter said over a month ago that he's gone. Gase admitted publicly he didn't do a good job with Darnold.
I could be wrong. I have no clue. But it seems possible.
I could believe this. What else were they going to do 10 or 12 weeks in?
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2020, 08:43:26 PM
Because they respect him and want to be upfront with him. Everyone knows this season has been terrible. I'm sure it would be a massive elephant in the room if it hadn't been brought up. Midseason coaching changes in the NFL are useless.
Schefter said over a month ago that he's gone. Gase admitted publicly he didn't do a good job with Darnold.
I could be wrong. I have no clue. But it seems possible.
I guess maybe. Just seems a bit odd to put such a major decision for the franchise in the hands of the person most affected. Still, if that is what happened he probably hasn't done his stock any harm with the last few weeks - the only blowout was Seattle, and we could very easily have had 4 wins under our belt by now.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 08:51:53 PM
I guess maybe. Just seems a bit odd to put such a major decision for the franchise in the hands of the person most affected. Still, if that is what happened he probably hasn't done his stock any harm with the last few weeks - the only blowout was Seattle, and we could very easily have had 4 wins under our belt by now.
He probably wants to coach somewhere, you represent yourself the best you can with the games you have, just like the players.
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2020, 08:52:59 PM
He probably wants to coach somewhere, you represent yourself the best you can with the games you have, just like the players.
For sure. I'm not at all questioning Gase's desire to see the season out, I'm questioning why we'd give him the choice.
Post by: Badger on December 28, 2020, 08:54:44 PM
"Ustadium source". LolInfinitely more respectable than any speculation that Gase isn't being fired.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 08:58:36 PM
For sure. I'm not at all questioning Gase's desire to see the season out, I'm questioning why we'd give him the choice.
Like DS said, probably combination of respect and few viable alternatives.
Post by: reuben on December 28, 2020, 09:00:53 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 28, 2020, 09:42:00 PM
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.Lot to unpack there.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 28, 2020, 11:26:30 PM
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.
*CEO-Coach-GM-for-life
Post by: dcm1602 on December 28, 2020, 11:52:26 PM
For sure. I'm not at all questioning Gase's desire to see the season out, I'm questioning why we'd give him the choice.
I mean historically the Jets don't fire a coach mid-season so there's that.
That said I'd imagine it was a viable possibility this season. But it's pretty hard to justify firing a coach during a winning streak, barring some sort of unprofessional/illegal conduct
Post by: delavan on December 29, 2020, 12:57:32 AM
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.
Sometimes there's something to be said for writer's block.
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Post by: Libero_2 on December 29, 2020, 01:13:06 AM
Lot to unpack there.
Understatement of the week right there.
Post by: Jumbo on December 29, 2020, 02:13:53 AM
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2020, 07:40:03 AM
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201229/f6d1c52e8a24046ab2c03cd2dab80a66.jpg)
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 29, 2020, 08:03:49 AM
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.
This post right here is Alio approved!
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 29, 2020, 01:10:30 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was right about Gase knowing he's gone.
Post by: IATA on December 29, 2020, 01:26:36 PM
I hope we beat the Pats and then all the players cheer for Adam Gase and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase and then Woody Johnson parachutes into the stadium and declares Adam Gase coach-GM-for-life and then the girl who dumped Adam Gase in 9th grade shows up and begs his forgiveness and then the players give Adam Gase a Gatorade bath but instead of Gatorade it's those flesh-eating scarabs from The Mummy and then everyone involved laughs and pisses on him as he's slowly devoured and then he goes to the Pearly Gates and his wife and kids are there and they're like yo we killed ourselves just so we could get here first and tell them not to let you in we hate you Dad and then Jesus comes out wearing a Frank Gore jersey and bones Adam Gase's wife right there right in front of him for all eternity.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/01e9b510e86c9fa13fd79a9c4cc25a6f/tenor.gif?itemid=9266086)
Post by: IATA on December 29, 2020, 01:27:59 PM
We passed on Mahomes, Watson, Brady, Marino, so did just about every other team.
In 47 years watching this team, the best season by far was 1998 with Vinny who we signed as a 35 year old backup. Get a good coach and build the team, then a lot of QBs can succeed.
speaking of jet draft fuckups, we should do a redraft or 2 of a few drafts. a sort of "what could have been"
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2020, 01:37:02 PM
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1343997396125163521
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was right about Gase knowing he's gone.
Just saw this, at least now we know. It really is like Kotite over again, minus the #1 overall pick and Bill Parcells on the horizon.
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2020, 02:05:27 PM
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1343997396125163521Free at last
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was right about Gase knowing he's gone.
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2020, 02:06:08 PM
Just saw this, at least now we know. It really is like Kotite over again, minus the #1 overall pick and Bill Parcells on the horizon.We'll always have the last 2 weeks of bliss though.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2020, 02:12:12 PM
We'll always have the last 2 weeks of bliss though.
We took a run at it, it's hard to go 0-16. Only two teams have ever done it, Jacksonville won't even do it. We really should have won the Patriots and Raiders games earlier, not that we wanted to at the time but it was only a matter of time.
Post by: MBGreen on December 29, 2020, 02:18:25 PM
Free at last
I'm ready
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/G3Ui6McBzuJQk/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2020, 02:30:34 PM
https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1343997396125163521
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I was right about Gase knowing he's gone.
Even if he hadn’t been told that, did we think Gase was expecting to get extended?
He’s been coaching like he has one foot out the door all season
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2020, 02:36:59 PM
Even if he hadn’t been told that, did we think Gase was expecting to get extended?i'M nOt EvEn CoNvInCeD hE's GoNe
He’s been coaching like he has one foot out the door all season
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 29, 2020, 02:53:35 PM
i'M nOt EvEn CoNvInCeD hE's GoNeI'm just happy we have a legit source now like Incarcerated Craig.
Post by: Jumbo on December 29, 2020, 05:53:05 PM
Guess what, baby? I feel freeeee
Nothin' hurts me anymore
Guess what, baby? I feel freeeee
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 30, 2020, 08:32:10 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2020, 08:37:38 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2020, 11:21:19 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2020, 11:21:25 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2020, 11:23:25 AM
Adam Gase denies the report that he has already been informed he will be fired. Said that was “news to me” #Jets
He's just towing the line. He's gone next week.
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2020, 11:24:40 AM
He's just towing the line. He's gone next week.
*toeing
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2020, 11:25:35 AM
*toeing
oh right.
freak off, mate.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 30, 2020, 11:28:25 AM
Adam Gase denies the report that he has already been informed he will be fired. Said that was “news to me” #Jets
Lying till the bitter end.
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2020, 11:31:38 AM
Lying till the bitter end.
Not sure what you expect him to say. It's not his announcement to make.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2020, 11:33:18 AM
Not sure what you expect him to say. It's not his announcement to make.
correct
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2020, 11:35:30 AM
correct
Also, it's only Craig Carton saying it and he's a knob. If it's known internally why aren't Cimini, Hughes, Costello, even Schefter and Rapoport reporting it?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 30, 2020, 11:37:11 AM
Not sure what you expect him to say. It's not his announcement to make.
"To be honest, I'm not surprised, and quite frankly I deserve to be fired. I failed this organization in every way possible and I am a excrement head coach."
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2020, 11:38:03 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2020, 11:41:43 AM
What is this "freak off, mate" excrement from? Some tv show? Are y'all Aussies now?
eat your beef n cheddar, mate
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2020, 11:42:43 AM
Also, it's only Craig Carton saying it and he's a knob. If it's known internally why aren't Cimini, Hughes, Costello, even Schefter and Rapoport reporting it?
pretty much.
I'm still confident Gase will be a Black Monday blood sacrifice.
Post by: Jumbo on December 30, 2020, 11:46:37 AM
What is this "freak off, mate" excrement from? Some tv show? Are y'all Aussies now?
bugger off, mate
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2020, 12:07:51 PM
What is this "freak off, mate" excrement from? Some tv show? Are y'all Aussies now?
freak off, mate
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2020, 01:48:19 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/30/bill-belichick-sam-darnold-couldnt-get-better-coaching-than-hes-getting/Stop Reporting Belichick's Anti-bulletin Board Rhetoric Challenge
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2020, 01:48:54 PM
Lying till the bitter end.
Not sure what you expect him to say. It's not his announcement to make.I expect him to pull a Budd Dwyer.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2020, 02:48:02 PM
I expect him to pull a Budd Dwyer.
Hey man, nice shot
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2020, 03:28:56 PM
"To be honest, I'm not surprised, and quite frankly I deserve to be fired. I failed this organization in every way possible and I am a excrement head coach."
Put this on his tombstone
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
I expect him to pull a Budd Dwyer.
I actually expected Manish to go invest in some manilla envelopes after his recent debocle.
The R Budd Dwyer playback had his name all over it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2020, 09:04:36 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2020, 09:08:30 AM
I put my hand on a stove, to see if I still bleeeeeeeed
And nothing hurts anymore, I feel kinda freeeeee
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2020, 09:09:59 AM
https://twitter.com/natemendelson/status/1344343332449824768?s=21
I hope Josh Allen blows his achilles.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2020, 09:19:12 AM
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In his last 4 seasons as a HC (2 w/ NYJ, 2 w/ MIA), Gase has
- 0 WRs hit 1K yards & a slot WR lead team in yards/targets every year (Landry, Amendola, Crowder 2x)
- 0 RBs hit 800 yards & Gore was leading rusher in 2/4 seasons
- 0 QBs hit 20 TD or 3,100 yds
- 22-41 record
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2020, 09:28:23 AM
I hope Josh Allen blows his achilles.
I hope he takes them to the AFCCG and then gets a Wentz like contract
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2020, 09:29:55 AM
Yeah but it's Darnold's fault and Gase was actually pretty good in Miami you know
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 31, 2020, 10:12:35 AM
Yeah but it's Darnold's fault and Gase was actually pretty good in Miami you knowSome of those numbers are a little misleading because Gase's quarterabck has gotten hurt literally every year. The only QB he's had that's played even 14 games is Jay Cutler, who was replacing an injured Tannehill.
Darnold isn't good enough to also have health issues every year, even though counting his mono is a little unfair.
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2020, 10:13:25 AM
@Connor_J_Hughes
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6m
Gase said the losing took its toll on Lewis because of how competitive he is.
Gase laser eyes can now injure your mental state.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 31, 2020, 12:05:15 PM
Some of those numbers are a little misleading because Gase's quarterabck has gotten hurt literally every year. The only QB he's had that's played even 14 games is Jay Cutler, who was replacing an injured Tannehill.
Darnold isn't good enough to also have health issues every year, even though counting his mono is a little unfair.
I feel like if it happens "literally every year," he might be a factor in that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 31, 2020, 01:41:47 PM
Some of those numbers are a little misleading because Gase's quarterabck has gotten hurt literally every year. The only QB he's had that's played even 14 games is Jay Cutler, who was replacing an injured Tannehill.
Darnold isn't good enough to also have health issues every year, even though counting his mono is a little unfair.
Maybe he shouldn’t laser eyes all of his QBs then
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 31, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
Then I open it and I'm just disappointed that we're still just discussing all the reasons why it should happen, yet hasn't.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 01, 2021, 02:00:39 AM
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Gase said the no-turnover streak is "a big stride. Would I love for him to have more three- and four-touchdown games? Absolutely, but that's not something we can necessarily control, right?"
You are both...quite literally...in control of this, Adam.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 01, 2021, 09:25:40 AM
You are both...quite literally...in control of this, Adam.
Darnold more so. Like the almost strip/fumble last week, he's throwing the ball, a guy gets beat, split second difference between an incompletion and a fumble. It's not like he was standing on the pocket with no awareness, guy got there fast.
Saw a stat where Josh Allen has never thrown a red zone INT, that's huge. Pennington had that going the first five or six years f his career, if I remember right when he finally threw one it was 4th down so it didn't really matter.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 01, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
You are both...quite literally...in control of this, Adam.
When he speaks he clearly believes his gameplans are foolproof and that the reason they don't win every game in a blowout is that the players are screwing up the execution.
To me, this is the biggest reason Gase should not be a head coach. He seemingly doesn't understand that an opponent can adjust to your brilliantly devised plan and that it must be your players at fault for the plan not working.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2021, 03:39:44 PM
freak this guy.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 02, 2021, 03:41:10 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 02, 2021, 03:48:49 PM
https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-expected-to-part-ways-with-head-coach-adam-gase-after-sunday-s-game
Post by: bojanglesman on January 02, 2021, 03:53:20 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 02, 2021, 03:53:55 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2021, 04:30:18 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 02, 2021, 05:25:29 PM
Post by: casman02 on January 02, 2021, 06:20:02 PM
@JasonLaCanfora
Cant help but wonder if Sarks move from Alabama opens up a spot on Nick Saban's staff for Adam Gase. Short stint at Bama has worked out very well for several ex-NFL coaches/COs. Gase began coaching career under Saban as a GA at LSU in 2000
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2021, 10:52:04 AM
Oh well...at least we have GoT to look fwd to in a few months
lollllll
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2021, 10:56:43 AM
lollllllOptimism climbing.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1345841755497885696?s=21 (https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1345841755497885696?s=21)
Post by: bojanglesman on January 03, 2021, 05:42:56 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2021, 06:02:28 PM
Can I get a emergency cellphone alert when the firing happens? Like those tornado warnings.I'll send you an arbys coupon
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2021, 05:11:20 PM
SOURCE: Two of the coaches Nick Saban is considering for Alabama’s soon to be vacant offensive coordinator role: former Jets head coach Adam Gase and former Texans/Penn State head coach Bill O’Brien.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 04, 2021, 05:17:28 PM
Bruce Feldman @BruceFeldmanCFB
SOURCE: Two of the coaches Nick Saban is considering for Alabama’s soon to be vacant offensive coordinator role: former Jets head coach Adam Gase and former Texans/Penn State head coach Bill O’Brien.
In what universe would you want Adam Gase recruiting for a college program?
I mean I am certain that Saban wouldn't need Gase to recruit much, but I have to believe it would still be in the job description, and who in the world can look at Gase's personality in press conferences and think "Oh yeah 16-18 year olds and their families can't wait to play for that guy"
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2021, 05:19:48 PM
He should be working at Jimmy Johns with Ganaway.
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2021, 05:24:10 PM
In what universe would you want Adam Gase recruiting for a college program?
I mean I am certain that Saban wouldn't need Gase to recruit much, but I have to believe it would still be in the job description, and who in the world can look at Gase's personality in press conferences and think "Oh yeah 16-18 year olds and their families can't wait to play for that guy"
To be fair I can see some logic to it. I think the one thing that most people seem to agree on is that Gase knows how to draw up plays, it's why he was successful with Peyton - he wasn't the one calling them, or at least when he did he had a QB smart enough to know when it wasn't going to work and to audible to something else.
I think that if someone else is calling the plays and running the room, Gase could be good for young players. He's all about Xs and Os, and I imagine that one of the most important things for high school players transitioning to the college game is learning the structure and discipline of a more complex scheme.
Plus he's probably got a really good coke hookup for them.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 04, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
To be fair I can see some logic to it. I think the one thing that most people seem to agree on is that Gase knows how to draw up plays, it's why he was successful with Peyton - he wasn't the one calling them, or at least when he did he had a QB smart enough to know when it wasn't going to work and to audible to something else.
I think that if someone else is calling the plays and running the room, Gase could be good for young players. He's all about Xs and Os, and I imagine that one of the most important things for high school players transitioning to the college game is learning the structure and discipline of a more complex scheme.
Plus he's probably got a really good coke hookup for them.
On field I can see it for sure. But at some point he's going to have to talk to a mom and sell his offense to her as opposed to Florida or OSU or Clemson. I can't see that going well
Post by: bojanglesman on January 04, 2021, 05:36:28 PM
freak GaseSandwich guru
He should be working at Jimmy Johns with Ganaway.
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2021, 05:38:24 PM
Sandwich guru"You ever see a man eyefuck a tuna melt before?"
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2021, 05:43:16 PM
On field I can see it for sure. But at some point he's going to have to talk to a mom and sell his offense to her as opposed to Florida or OSU or Clemson. I can't see that going well
Pretty sure that Latisha Dookmarriott isn't demanding to evaluate the offensive playbook before she'll allow Da'Libero to sign with the most successful college football program of the last decade.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 04, 2021, 05:45:05 PM
"You ever see a man eyefuck a tuna melt before?"Gase can toast sandwiches with lasereyes.gif
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2021, 10:06:39 AM
mj2sexay either gets to be a smug freak or looks like a know nothing poopchute in about a year.
lmao
Post by: mj2sexay on January 05, 2021, 10:32:51 AM
lmao
Obviously I was 100 percent wrong;
- A decent portion of the arguments against him and alternative candidates are either still total excrement, or at least unproven at best. A sizable portion of the board wanted that fat mongoloid Mike McCarthy. Matt Rhule is coming off of a 5-11 season.
- Please go ahead and show me anyone who's operating without freezing cold takes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2021, 10:42:24 AM
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In 2019, Darnold ranked 8th-best with an adj. comp% of 81.3% from a clean pocket
In 2020, he's 2nd-worst from a clean pocket at 72.8%, better than only Trubisky
This is regression
Post by: mj2sexay on January 05, 2021, 10:43:04 AM
This is regression
It's also cause for optimism that he can be reclaimed.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 05, 2021, 12:19:14 PM
Obviously I was 100 percent wrong
FYP
That is all.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 05, 2021, 01:49:44 PM
FYP
That is all.
And the guys you wanted both had worse records their first year then Gase.
That is all.
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2021, 01:59:44 PM
And the guys you wanted both had worse records their first year then Gase.
That is all.
I wanted McCarthy. I am pleased that we didn't get him, and that my error was in the end only hypothetical, unlike yours.
Now we all get a chance to be wrong all over again. It's a fun game that appears to reset itself far more often than is optimal.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2021, 02:14:40 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 05, 2021, 02:15:10 PM
And the guys you wanted both had worse records their first year then Gase.
That is all.
I can guarantee that you will find a post of mine that specifically states I would take ANYONE but Gase.
But, to address your point, if you're referring to Rhule and McCarthy...one lost an elite offensive talent in McCaffrey and the other lost their starting QB
Funny you still defend Gase after he's been fired. You have to be a complete failure to be fired after 2 seasons.
Jones is crazy, so unsure about McCarthy, but I will wager any sum of money that Rhule is not fired after next season.
Want to take that action?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 05, 2021, 02:15:33 PM
Imagine spending any effort defending the Adam Gase hire after he was fired.
EXACTLY
Post by: IATA on January 05, 2021, 02:15:58 PM
Johnny English is a jerk
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 05, 2021, 02:21:00 PM
Texted my dad, "Don't get our season tickets back."My conscience is clear as this is my first post in this thread.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2021, 02:22:09 PM
And the guys you wanted both had worse records their first year then Gase.
That is all.
Kliff Kingsbury went 8-8 this year and Kyler Murray improved statistically across the board in year 2
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2021, 02:23:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2021, 02:23:34 PM
My conscience is clear as this is my first post in this thread.
The OP in this thread upon hearing we had interest:
freak this guy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2021, 02:23:56 PM
Kliff Kingsbury sucks dick too
You’re right, we def should have hired Gase over him
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2021, 02:26:03 PM
You’re right, we def should have hired Gase over him
I think we'd be in a similar situation, honestly.
Maybe even worse defensively.
Gase is a bum but Kingsbury is ridiculously overrated. He was garbage at Texas Tech too.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 05, 2021, 02:28:04 PM
I wanted McCarthy. I am pleased that we didn't get him, and that my error was in the end only hypothetical, unlike yours.
Now we all get a chance to be wrong all over again. It's a fun game that appears to reset itself far more often than is optimal.
I am miserable about how wrong I was, believe you me and readily acknowledge of course that he was the wrong guy and I was wrong for being happy about it.
Imagine spending any effort defending the Adam Gase hire after he was fired.
Who's defending the hire?
That can't possibly be directed at me, resident genius you are that would show an uncharacteristic lack of reading comprehension.
My point was, as its been, the people that didn't want Gase and buried the hire from the second it was made wanted demonstratively shitty candidates. We got people out here actually defending Mike McCarthy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2021, 02:29:00 PM
I think we'd be in a similar situation, honestly.
Maybe even worse defensively.
Gase is a bum but Kingsbury is ridiculously overrated. He was garbage at Texas Tech too.
First to make the playoffs, Kliff Kingsbury or whatever loser we end up hiring?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2021, 02:30:06 PM
First to make the playoffs, Kliff Kingsbury or whatever loser we end up hiring?
Whoever we hire
I think the Cardinals will be a disaster next season
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 05, 2021, 03:48:17 PM
First to make the playoffs, Kliff Kingsbury or whatever loser we end up hiring?
Whoever we hire
I think the Cardinals will be a disaster next season
I see a wager formulating..it must include blood.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 05, 2021, 04:21:35 PM
I see a wager formulating..it must include blood.
I agree.
Winner gets to sacrifice Gase on the alter of the football gods
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2021, 04:31:33 PM
I see a wager formulating..it must include blood.And a donation to JO server costs
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 05, 2021, 10:13:59 PM
I think we'd be in a similar situation, honestly.
Maybe even worse defensively.
Gase is a bum but Kingsbury is ridiculously overrated. He was garbage at Texas Tech too.
His one drive as Jets QB was nothing to write home about either.
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2021, 10:49:53 PM
and then 30,000 Jets fans plow into the stadium outta nowhere and cheer for Adam Gase
Reuben foresaw the events in DC
Just happened to be a different group of idiots and a different fired loser.
Post by: reuben on January 07, 2021, 11:14:24 PM
Reuben foresaw the events in DC
Just happened to be a different group of idiots and a different fired loser.
Yeah but if they all started pissing on Trump he'd probably dig it.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2021, 01:47:11 PM
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I'm told #Jets conveyed to some they're looking for a HC who can oversee the whole team, both sides of the ball & handle the media. Adding, the feeling was previous guy "was a bit over his head" w/that criteria. Source said, "we'll see if they stick w/ that or go w/t same parade"
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
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I'm told #Jets conveyed to some they're looking for a HC who can oversee the whole team, both sides of the ball & handle the media. Adding, the feeling was previous guy "was a bit over his head" w/that criteria. Source said, "we'll see if they stick w/ that or go w/t same parade"
Understatement of the decade
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2021, 01:52:23 PM
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I'm told #Jets conveyed to some they're looking for a HC who can oversee the whole team, both sides of the ball & handle the media. Adding, the feeling was previous guy "was a bit over his head" w/that criteria. Source said, "we'll see if they stick w/ that or go w/t same parade"
Is anyone not looking for a HC who can oversee the whole team, both sides of the ball & handle the media? "Actually I just want a guy who knows offense, I don't really care if the defense gives up 50 and then he calls all the beat writers cunts."
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 14, 2021, 01:54:42 PM
Is anyone not looking for a HC who can oversee the whole team, both sides of the ball & handle the media? "Actually I just want a guy who knows offense, I don't really care if the defense gives up 50 and then he calls all the beat writers cunts."Honestly, I'm fine with the dynamic we had with Gase/Gregg as long as the coaches get along, and as long as both coaches are very good at what they do.
The problem is that we had an offensive-only head coach who coached the worst offense in the NFL.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 02:11:50 PM
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I'm told #Jets conveyed to some they're looking for a HC who can oversee the whole team, both sides of the ball & handle the media. Adding, the feeling was previous guy "was a bit over his head" w/that criteria. Source said, "we'll see if they stick w/ that or go w/t same parade"
To be fair to Gase, they forced Gregg Williams (and his son) on him.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2021, 02:12:38 PM
To be fair to Gase, they forced Gregg Williams (and his son) on him.
freak Gase
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 02:14:05 PM
freak Gase
It's just a stupid derriere criticism when there's plenty of others to choose from.
Obviously he was bad with the media and horrible with offensive gameplanning and playcalling. Maccagnan and Johnson hired a HC to coach a QB and then didn't let him pick his defensive or special teams staff. That's a disaster waiting to happen.
"Hey Sam, do you like this guy?" That was their interview process after Rhule backed out because of their meddling.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2021, 02:20:02 PM
It's just a stupid derriere criticism when there's plenty of others to choose from.
Obviously he was bad with the media and horrible with offensive gameplanning and playcalling. Maccagnan and Johnson hired a HC to coach a QB and then didn't let him pick his defensive or special teams staff. That's a disaster waiting to happen.
"Hey Sam, do you like this guy?" That was their interview process after Rhule backed out because of their meddling.
I would have loved to see the DC equivalent of Howell Bobbins here the past 2 years
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 14, 2021, 02:37:36 PM
Honestly, I'm fine with the dynamic we had with Gase/Gregg as long as the coaches get along, and as long as both coaches are very good at what they do.
The problem is that we had an offensive-only head coach who coached the worst offense in the NFL.
That's a pretty awful way to run a team and a very natural way to split the locker room.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 14, 2021, 02:47:35 PM
That's a pretty awful way to run a team and a very natural way to split the locker room.The last good teams we had were led by Rex, and that was his MO.
I would prefer to have a coach oversee everything. But there's more than one way to win, and if you have the right people in place, you can make it work.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 02:49:11 PM
The last good teams we had were led by Rex, and that was his MO.
Rex made changes on offense. They ran the offense that he wanted and he also put in that stupid derriere Traffic Light offense to limit turnovers.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 14, 2021, 03:03:21 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2021, 03:15:42 PM
kill this thread
It will never die
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2021, 03:22:42 PM
Rex made changes on offense. They ran the offense that he wanted and he also put in that stupid derriere Traffic Light offense to limit turnovers.
His QB was Sanchez. I was thinking about this today, Geno has actually had a longer, more stable career as a backup than Sanchez did.
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2021, 04:48:22 PM
kill this threadI heard he's coming in for an interview tomorrow.
Post by: Coach K on January 14, 2021, 04:50:59 PM
I heard he's coming in for an interview tomorrow.Gase once spilled potato salad on Kyle Shanahan plate at the coaches meeting
#ShanahanTree
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 14, 2021, 08:35:21 PM
I hope someone shits in his coffee
Post by: Libero_2 on January 14, 2021, 09:55:43 PM
GASE IS THE WORST COACH IN FRANCHISE HISTORY.
I hope someone shits in his coffee
Cmon now, I don't think that's nearly harsh enough
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2021, 07:58:49 AM
Hahahahhah
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2021, 08:01:49 AM
https://twitter.com/jetsopinion/status/1350065451238383624?s=21
Hahahahhah
so good
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 15, 2021, 08:05:38 AM
i'll never forget
cimini - 'adam are you calling plays again? we were watching dowell all game and he was just standing in the background looking short/fat and doing nothing'
gase - 'rich, this isn't hard. we choose the players for our next 3-and-out as we're running our current 3-and-out. it's not hard'
Post by: Libero_2 on January 15, 2021, 08:06:18 AM
https://twitter.com/jetsopinion/status/1350065451238383624?s=21
Hahahahhah
Sometimes I love the internet. People make the best excrement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2021, 08:13:36 AM
cimini - 'adam are you calling plays again? we were watching dowell all game and he was just standing in the background looking short/fat and doing nothing'
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Post by: Badger on January 15, 2021, 12:05:37 PM
A few months ago that 6-2 run was what you were using to justify why we couldn't possibly fire Gase.
Side discussion:
If we had fired Gase after 2019 who would probably be our coach now?
If Saleh ends up being the chosen one then keeping Gase for a 2nd year would be a blessing in disguise.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2021, 12:13:59 PM
If we had fired Gase after 2019 who would probably be our coach now?
Probably Matt Rhule because Douglas would've fixed things
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2021, 04:42:33 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 18, 2021, 01:32:12 PM
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#Seahawks
have spoken to former #Jets head coach Adam Gase about the offensive coordinator opening, per source, and they intend to speak to #Chiefs QBs coach Mike Kafka at some point. Seattle casting wide net to get some new ideas for Russell Wilson and co.
I think this may help our draft pick value next year.
Post by: MBGreen on January 18, 2021, 01:45:04 PM
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 18, 2021, 04:47:48 PM
Also...Gase and Jamal on the same team again would be freaking hilarious
Poetic justice.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 18, 2021, 04:49:44 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 18, 2021, 04:57:01 PM
SEA trying to fvck up wilson and DK
Post by: Libero_2 on January 18, 2021, 04:59:32 PM
imagine going from the dumbass annoyances of schotty to the dumb cluelessness of gase
SEA trying to fvck up wilson and DK
You hate to see it, unless we had their first rounder next year. And then you love to see it.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 18, 2021, 05:00:27 PM
imagine going from the dumbass annoyances of schotty to the dumb cluelessness of gase
SEA trying to fvck up wilson and DK
Do you remember when Rex handcuffed Schotty and Sanchez, then Schotty gave the interview about how he could call plays that would have Sanchez throwing for like 400 or 500 yards a game if he was allowed to call them?
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 18, 2021, 05:21:37 PM
Do you remember when Rex handcuffed Schotty and Sanchez, then Schotty gave the interview about how he could call plays that would have Sanchez throwing for like 400 or 500 yards a game if he was allowed to call them?
i honestly don't remember this lol.
i do remember some games that went along the lines of rex wanting to ground-and-pound but schotty having sanchez throw like 40 passes and we'd lose, and rex would get pissed, and that along with the sanchez picks lead to dumbing down the playcalling
Post by: bojanglesman on January 18, 2021, 08:06:13 PM
Also...Gase and Jamal on the same team again would be freaking hilariousJamal:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210119/3ed8dbb06f5ba5ecbb53ffb0022f854c.gif)
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 18, 2021, 11:38:38 PM
Do you remember when Rex handcuffed Schotty and Sanchez, then Schotty gave the interview about how he could call plays that would have Sanchez throwing for like 400 or 500 yards a game if he was allowed to call them?
And then we would get excrement like we did in Christmas Eve 2011.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 18, 2021, 11:46:29 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 19, 2021, 01:37:43 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 19, 2021, 02:04:28 PM
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2021, 02:10:28 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 19, 2021, 02:15:49 PM
I don't think Geno has a cushy TV job waiting for him so he has to ride out the backup role as long as he can. I think Sanchez could have stuck around longer.
Sanchez had a ten year playing career and was 32 when he announced his retirement. He could probably have carried a clipboard for vet minimum for a year or two more, but he wasn't seeing the field except in desperate circumstances.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2021, 02:41:59 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 19, 2021, 02:45:14 PM
Sanchez had a ten year playing career and was 32 when he announced his retirement. He could probably have carried a clipboard for vet minimum for a year or two more, but he wasn't seeing the field except in desperate circumstances.
And somehow we won four road playoff games with him as a novice, beating Rivers, Brady and Manning.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2021, 02:46:17 PM
And somehow we won four road playoff games with him as a novice, beating Rivers, Brady and Manning.Sanchez played well in those games. We asked him to do very little, but he did what he needed to do. Most teams don't have the offensive line, defense, and running game to do what that team did. And we needed all 3 of those pieces to be elite to survive Sanchez.
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2021, 10:42:01 AM
"Even if Harris was only kidding, there has been enough statistical evidence over the years to suggest that Gase’s impact on Manning was overblown."
Wow who knew? Everyone except Christopher Johnson apparently.
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2021, 10:42:43 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 27, 2021, 12:16:44 PM
No one here would be shocked
It’s quite clear that Gase knows somethings, but he’s pretending he’s an expert when he’s average to above average as an offensive mind.
Post by: Badger on January 27, 2021, 01:37:40 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2021, 10:24:01 AM
Jesus he sucked.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 13, 2021, 11:44:23 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2021, 04:48:38 PM
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/1370537884911087619?s=19
Jesus he sucked.
gase sucked but i'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that gase and jordan palmer didn't speak. is it a little weird not to speak to your quarterback's offseason QB coach to see how things are going? sure.
let's say they did speak. would that have honestly changed anything with regards to how things turned out this year? no, it woudln't have. that's the gase issue in its simplest terms.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2021, 06:17:28 PM
gase sucked but i'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that gase and jordan palmer didn't speak. is it a little weird not to speak to your quarterback's offseason QB coach to see how things are going? sure.
let's say they did speak. would that have honestly changed anything with regards to how things turned out this year? no, it woudln't have. that's the gase issue in its simplest terms.
Nothing is for sure but I don't really agree.
Would the Jets have sucked absolutely, would Sam have underperformed still? Probably
But considering Gase is not only the headcoach he was also the offensive coordinator. So it makes sense that you'd want your QB to be practicing/working on certain things more than others based off your offensive plans. And I think this is all compounded 1000% for this year because the impact of covid on OTAs and practices.
I don't think it would have had a monumental impact, but maybe Sam would have done at least a couple or things better.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2021, 06:45:58 PM
Nothing is for sure but I don't really agree.
Would the Jets have sucked absolutely, would Sam have underperformed still? Probably
But considering Gase is not only the headcoach he was also the offensive coordinator. So it makes sense that you'd want your QB to be practicing/working on certain things more than others based off your offensive plans. And I think this is all compounded 1000% for this year because the impact of covid on OTAs and practices.
I don't think it would have had a monumental impact, but maybe Sam would have done at least a couple or things better.
Agree 100% with this.
Post by: IATA on March 14, 2021, 07:44:56 PM
It's just another in a long line of gase failures as a coach, and probably as a man.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2021, 08:15:13 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2021, 08:29:30 AM
Who needs input from Jordan Palmer when you have Dowell Loggains sleeping over every weekendI miss Towel
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2021, 11:55:57 AM
gase sucked but i'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that gase and jordan palmer didn't speak. is it a little weird not to speak to your quarterback's offseason QB coach to see how things are going? sure.Wouldn't change anything but in retrospect it's another red flag against Gase, and another possible excuse for Darnold.
let's say they did speak. would that have honestly changed anything with regards to how things turned out this year? no, it woudln't have. that's the gase issue in its simplest terms.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2021, 07:29:25 PM
freak this guy.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 30, 2021, 08:42:30 PM
https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1376988931082883072?s=21
I hope Gase chokes on a dick
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 30, 2021, 09:21:54 PM
I hope Gase chokes on a dickWhy limit it? He can choke on his keys when he trips on his way to knock on Towel's door. He can choke on a potato chip watching game fil for a team he'll never coach against because he'll never coach again. He can choke on his wife's hair while he's dreaming of Manning Daddy explaining him a sprint right option.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 09:27:53 PM
If someone on the Jets said that about Gase who played this season, that holds much more weight.
Plus Robbie Anderson isn't the most insightful
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 31, 2021, 11:54:31 AM
https://twitter.com/nyj_matt/status/1376988931082883072?s=21
What a piece of excrement. freak Gase.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 13, 2021, 10:14:28 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 30, 2021, 11:20:14 AM
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Source: Adam Gase has accepted a job at Lincoln High School to become the teams Offensive Coordinator
Lincoln HS is located in Ypsilanti, MI which is Gase’s hometown
RIP Lincoln High School
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 30, 2021, 11:50:47 AM
what an absolutely horrible, horrible, embarrassing hire for this franchise.
Post by: MBGreen on June 30, 2021, 11:52:59 AM
only other job he could get after his 'HC of the NYJ' job with us.....was as OC of the high school team of his hometown
what an absolutely horrible, horrible, embarrassing hire for this franchise.
I wonder if Frank Gore enrolled at Lincoln High School to take Home Economics, and start at tailback for Gase.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 30, 2021, 11:54:26 AM
With Loggains, I think that's the best job he could get. With Gase, it could just be something to do.
Post by: MBGreen on June 30, 2021, 11:57:36 AM
I always wonder with guys like that if they could get better jobs and just choose to have a low-key job like that, or if that's literally the best job he could get.
With Loggains, I think that's the best job he could get. With Gase, it could just be something to do.
Gase got paid enough from his time with the Phins and Jets that he's set for life. I'm sure he's just doing this for something to do.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 30, 2021, 12:17:13 PM
That's obviously not real
Post by: MBGreen on June 30, 2021, 12:44:35 PM
Is this TGG?
That's obviously not real
You're not real either...and we allow you to stick around.
Post by: Libero_2 on June 30, 2021, 04:08:24 PM
only other job he could get after his 'HC of the NYJ' job with us.....was as OC of the high school team of his hometown
what an absolutely horrible, horrible, embarrassing hire for this franchise.
That’s actually real?
Jesus I can’t believe he even took the job just on pay alone. What’s he gonna be making as a HS OC in CantSpellIt Michigan? $45,000? Might as well not bother for tax purposes and what I can only assume is money earned from investments
Man Peyton Manning really carried this guy a long freaking way didn’t he?
Also it’s hilarious that Loggains got a better/more impactful job than Gase did on the rebound
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 30, 2021, 04:12:14 PM
Man Peyton Manning really carried this guy a long freaking way didn’t he?
This, right here.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 30, 2021, 04:27:44 PM
That’s actually real?
Jesus I can’t believe he even took the job just on pay alone. What’s he gonna be making as a HS OC in CantSpellIt Michigan? $45,000? Might as well not bother for tax purposes and what I can only assume is money earned from investments
Man Peyton Manning really carried this guy a long freaking way didn’t he?
Also it’s hilarious that Loggains got a better/more impactful job than Gase did on the rebound
It's not real
It's literally been reported by only NYJ Matt and not a single reputable source.
This would have more smoke if reported by incarcerated Bob
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 30, 2021, 04:59:38 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 30, 2021, 05:05:47 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 01, 2021, 06:06:08 PM
Post by: Badger on September 02, 2021, 09:08:56 AM
I'll put up $100 against anyone saying Gase is our coach for 2021. Loser donates to the site.
I take your bet. It'll be win win either way. If Gase goes, I'll be glad to cough up the $100, if not, your money would be put to good use.8==========D~~~
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 03, 2021, 03:52:38 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 03, 2021, 06:04:41 AM
freak, I had forgot about this 🙈. Money donated already, just confirm to me that you received it. Glad to collaborate with the forum and even more glad that Gase is not longer here 😄
Money well spent, sir.
Post by: Badger on September 03, 2021, 06:31:25 AM
freak, I had forgot about this. Money donated already, just confirm to me that you received it. Glad to collaborate with the forum and even more glad that Gase is not longer here
You are a giant amongst men, sir. Received.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 03, 2021, 07:18:45 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 03, 2021, 09:30:38 AM
Post by: Badger on September 03, 2021, 09:48:51 AM
Hey Mex, I bet you $100 the Jets finish the season with some wins and losses.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210903/90a9c3f2de822086056c0f569f3d5095.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on September 03, 2021, 04:41:21 PM
Hey Mex, I bet you $100 the Jets finish the season with some wins and losses.
0-16-1 here we come
Post by: bojanglesman on September 03, 2021, 05:07:48 PM
0-16-1 here we comeProlly
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 17, 2022, 09:29:26 AM
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He's now ruining high school programs
Post by: MBGreen on January 17, 2022, 09:35:02 AM
He's now ruining high school programs
that NYJ_Matt doofus can't let Gase go....i think he sleeps in Gase's front bushes.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 17, 2022, 11:45:18 AM
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