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The Rest Of The Sports World => You Don't Know Football => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on November 17, 2018, 08:15:33 AM
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2806076-where-will-leveon-bell-land-insiders-give-picks-for-the-stars-next-nfl-home
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Let’s go get him
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Fire up the shopping cart, [insert Jets GM here]
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If he puts in the effort for pass blocking and receiving I could stand the lack of running production while the FO sures up the OLine.
We're going to overpay regardless of what we get from him.
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He’ll probably tear his ACL in week 1 because god hates the Jets.
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Manish on that Jettake podcast changed my mind about Bell.
You got to role dice with Bell. We need a bonafide playmaker for Sam, someone all teams will worry about. Doubt there will be anyone else on that said of the ball who is comparable
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Hello yes I will take one player on offense who is talented please.
The free agent WR market this year is so bad, Bell might legitimately be the best RB and best receiving option available.
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Bell helps an entire offense by just being on the field.
Edge defenders and inside coverage defenders have to account for him. You don’t have to keep an extra defender in the box, but he can kill you if you don’t.
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports impending free agent Le'Veon Bell is seeking $17 million annually.
It's $3 million higher than Todd Gurley's average salary. Bell also wants $45 million guaranteed. It's a lot of money for a 27-year-old coming off a holdout at a devalued position, but Bell is going to get overpaid this offseason. With the Steelers expected to transition tag Bell, teams may be forced to frontload Bell's contract.
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Frontload it, babbie
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Frontload it, babbie
We really might as well. Look at this excrement:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/offensive-line/
It's not like we need to save money to entice any of those stars. I wouldn't mind us bringing in Warmack, but mostly what's there is talented but old, or young but not very good. Donovan Smith might be interesting.
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Warmack stinks
If we go out and sign Bell, Jonah Williams should be our top offensive target in the draft.
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Warmack stinks
If we go out and sign Bell, Jonah Williams should be our top offensive target in the draft.
Warmack's not great but he'd be an upgrade on Carpenter, and he's still fairly young.
If we draft Williams you're giving up on any hope of fixing the pass rush in the draft.
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Warmack stinks
If we go out and sign Bell, Jonah Williams should be our top offensive target in the draft.
Yasssss
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Warmack's not great but he'd be an upgrade on Carpenter, and he's still fairly young.
If we draft Williams you're giving up on any hope of fixing the pass rush in the draft.
Take a look at the list of FA edge rushers. Much more attractive than the OL free agents.
And I could really give a freak about the pass rush until Darnold is protected properly.
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Throw a chunk of change at Demarcus Lawrence
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Throw a chunk of change at Demarcus Lawrence
I don't think he'll hit the open market. The Cowboys HAVE to find a way to keep him.
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I don't think he'll hit the open market. The Cowboys HAVE to find a way to keep him.
If they tag him for a second year he's going to cost north of $20M.
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And I could really give a freak about the pass rush until Darnold is protected properly.
This.
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Over $100M to spend. A rare true superstar hitting the open market. He grew up a Jets fan. The team doesn't have a truly great offensive weapon for Darnold.
It's the perfect storm. Frontload the hell out of it, and get him on this roster!
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I don’t think Bell was really a Jets fan
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I don’t think Bell was really a Jets fan
https://mobile.twitter.com/leveonbell/status/56772240771002368
https://mobile.twitter.com/leveonbell/status/153619830283583489
https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/56770881992654848
https://mobile.twitter.com/leveonbell/status/113094116044324864
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https://mobile.twitter.com/leveonbell/status/56772240771002368
https://mobile.twitter.com/leveonbell/status/153619830283583489
https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/56770881992654848
https://mobile.twitter.com/leveonbell/status/113094116044324864
Suppose that’s good evidence. When that tweet went out about not running with the Jets for less than 80 million I figured he wasn’t actually a fan. Thought it was just Michigan State University pride or something that made him like Green and White
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I'm against giving running backs big contracts or investing heavy draft capital.
But if there were ever a case to do it, Le'Veon Bell is that case. The money has to go somewhere. We could use an upgrade at the position. He can catch the ball and play all three downs (which in my opinion is THE most important factor in investing a lot in an RB).
I can't believe I'm saying this, but bring me Le'Veon Bell, as long as we can get out of it in no more than three years (preferably two).
I would rather give the money to an elite OL or an elite WR or an elite CB or an elite pass rusher. But most of those other positions won't hit the market, and we can afford to spend up at multiple positions anyway.
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I would rather give the money to an elite OL or an elite WR or an elite CB or an elite pass rusher. But most of those other positions won't hit the market, and we can afford to spend up at multiple positions anyway.
If we can somehow find a way to get Le'Veon Bell and Demarcus Lawrence/Trey Flowers/Frank Clark, we would win the offseason.
The offensive line free agent class is horrible, but Matt Paradis has to be near the top of Maccagnan's wish list.
(Sheldon Richardson will be available again too...)
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(Sheldon Richardson will be available again too...)
Hopefully more Demario Davis and less Crowded/Revised on the retread.
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https://nypost.com/2019/03/10/jets-must-do-everything-in-their-power-to-sign-leveon-bell/
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I'm all in on wanting Bell, but let's not pretend that it's make or break for our season or that if we make a great offer and someone comes in with a stupid one that we somehow fucked up. Because that's what certain corners of the media will do.
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I've never been sold on the idea of signing Bell because it relies on a couple of assumptions. One, that he's going to be (or at least close to) the same player that he was prior to taking a year off from football and that he was running behind the Steelers' offensive line and, two, that he's going to be any less of a malcontent after getting paid more than any running back is realistically worth.
To me, it's not about whether we can afford him. Obviously, we can. We can even afford to overpay him. It's about whether he's going to provide an even close to justifiable return on our investment. He might, for all I know, but I'm willing to place the odds of that happening at less than 50%.
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I've never been sold on the idea of signing Bell because it relies on a couple of assumptions. One, that he's going to be (or at least close to) the same player that he was prior to taking a year off from football and that he was running behind the Steelers' offensive line and, two, that he's going to be any less of a malcontent after getting paid more than any running back is realistically worth.
To me, it's not about whether we can afford him. Obviously, we can. We can even afford to overpay him. It's about whether he's going to provide an even close to justifiable return on our investment. He might, for all I know, but I'm willing to place the odds of that happening at less than 50%.
I would care if we had other players to pay besides Adams and Darnold and they’re a couple years away.
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ESPN’s @FieldYates on @LeVeonBell: “One team that keeps being brought to me is the New York Jets.
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I would care if we had other players to pay besides Adams and Darnold and they’re a couple years away.
You should care regardless if there's a cancer growing inside your locker room. We've been down this road before.
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You should care regardless if there's a cancer growing inside your locker room. We've been down this road before.
I don’t view him as a cancer. I don’t view him as a high character guy either.
I think he made a business decision and after seeing what happened to Earl Thomas this year I can’t say I blame him.
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https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1105225662179274752
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freaking drama queen. Give up with that excrement.
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Replies are all Jets fans lol
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freaking drama queen. Give up with that excrement.
And when he signs here tomorrow morning it will be all rainbows and sunshine
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this does not bode well. history tells us that if it comes down to a player choosing between several teams with the jets being one of them, we're not going to get picked
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this does not bode well. history tells us that if it comes down to a player choosing between several teams with the jets being one of them, we're not going to get picked
My intuition tells me he’s going to take the deal with the most money. He just sat out on a franchise tag and he’s looking to recoup some of that
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Important news https://twitter.com/honestlygifted/status/1105231608980885506?s=21
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Rap: #Jets are “very heavily involved and believed to be the favorites” on Le’Veon Bell.”
Just now on NFLN
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Just now on NFLN
So far today I’ve heard we are front runners for Bell, Paradis, Barr and Mosely. We don’t have the money for them plus another 10 guys to fill the roster out
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So far today I’ve heard we are front runners for Bell, Paradis, Barr and Mosely. We don’t have the money for them plus another 10 guys to fill the roster out
They can probably make it work, but realistically I think 3 of those 4 are best case scenario.
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They can probably make it work, but realistically I think 3 of those 4 are best case scenario.
i agree and in my opinion, the least important of that foursome is Mosely
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i agree and in my opinion, the least important of that foursome is Mosely
I agree. I dont think the upgrade is worth the money. If you told me Mosely would sign for 12M per, and we could trade Lee for a 3rd, I'd be in... but I dont think either of those are realistic.
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Credit Le’Veon Bell’s side for keeping his client’s intentions hidden, but those around league continue to tell me the #Jets are the favorite for to sign him without a clear No. 2. His market isn’t as robust as originally believed.
Connor Hughes
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One other note on Le’Veon Bell: I’m hearing his decision will likely be made tomorrow. Obviously, things can change, but there’s no desire to drag this out and run risk of market drying up/losing negotiating power.
Things get tricky when the second wave of RBs start signing
Hughes
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With Barr and Mosely signed, do we have the room to get Bell and Paradis?
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With Barr and Mosely signed, do we have the room to get Bell and Paradis?
Depending on how the deals are structured, I think so. It would be pretty tight.
We’ll need to cut Crowell and trade D Lee to free up some more room.
Not sure what that would mean for slot CB/Hank Anderson/Andre Roberts
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With Barr and Mosely signed, do we have the room to get Bell and Paradis?
I guess it depends. If Bell really is playing us against ghosts he may come cheaper than we all thought giving us a window to make it work. But I’d imagine probably not, at least not “safely.” But freak it, let’s do it anyways
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Depending on how the deals are structured, I think so. It would be pretty tight.
We’ll need to cut Crowell and trade D Lee to free up some more room.
Not sure what that would mean for slot CB/Hank Anderson/Andre Roberts
I really don't think we're landing both of these dudes. Honestly I think Paradise would be the better long term investment than Bell.
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I really don't think we're landing both of these dudes. Honestly I think Paradise would be the better long term evolution than Bell.
Same.
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Could have sworn I typed investment in there. Ugh, edited.
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I always assumed Bell would get something crazy like $20M per year because he’s a top tier FA and he just needs one team to overpay. Gurley makes $14.5 per year though and I doubt teams are rushing to pay that for a guy that’s older. Gurley didn’t exactly show that he was worth the contract in the playoffs either...
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https://twitter.com/ustadium/status/1105425859748478981
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Source: the Bears have created $11M of cap space by converting $13M of Khalil Mack's base salary & roster bonus into a signing bonus. Chicago positioning itself to make moves if desired...
Field Yates
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Bears restructured Mack’s contract....they’re gonna make a run at Bell
Edit: dammit SFD
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Last night it was reported that the Broncos resumed talks with Paradis. We won’t get them both, hopefully we’ll get one at this point.
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Field Yates
They supposedly want Bell and plan to move Jordan Howard.
The off-season sure is a blast!
But our priorities should be Paradis ahead of Bell, that’s the most important domino still remaining. But freak it I want both anyways
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Josina Anderson of ESPN reports one of the following teams "has a good likelihood" of signing Le'Veon Bell today: Jets, Colts, Ravens, Packers, Texans, Bills.
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Josina Anderson of ESPN reports one of the following teams "has a good likelihood" of signing Le'Veon Bell today: Jets, Colts, Ravens, Packers, Texans, Bills.
That’s some thorough reporting there.
In other news, for breakfast I may have eggs, cereal, oatmeal, French toast or pancakes.
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That’s some thorough reporting there.
In other news, for breakfast I may have eggs, cereal, oatmeal, French toast or pancakes.
But when he ends up in Chicago does that mean you’re having a fruit bowl?
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Could be Bell’s team trying to drum up interest since they don’t have the deal they want. Colts have the cap space but we’ve heard they’re out on him before.
Also, no 49ers OR Bears? They were rumored yesterday
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“I continue to be told by multiple league sources the Jets are the favorites to sign the Steelers running back. While there are other potential suitors, none are as serious as New York for Bell”
Hughes
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“I continue to be told by multiple league sources the Jets are the favorites to sign the Steelers running back. While there are other potential suitors, none are as serious as New York for Bell”
Hughes
So one side has a set offer and the other is trying to convince the other to up/lower the price.
It’s gotta be Bells side trying to up our offer. If we were leaking that Bell wasn’t getting other offers his camp would obviously know it’s bullshit.
Stand pat and lock him down for something “cheap” like a $13 million a year deal.
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Sounds like the decision has been made.
https://twitter.com/akbar_gbaja/status/1105468603439042560?s=21
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Sounds like the decision has been made.
https://twitter.com/akbar_gbaja/status/1105468603439042560?s=21
Ravens if this guy is to believed
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Ravens if this guy is to believed
Peter King @peter_king
As @JosinaAnderson reports, several suitors for Bell. Re @Ravens, I’d be stunned if they were highest bidder.
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Peter King @peter_king
As @JosinaAnderson reports, several suitors for Bell. Re @Ravens, I’d be stunned if they were highest bidder.
You quick
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The #Jets remain the clear favorite for Le'Veon Bell, per league conversations. The #Bears remain in the bidding along with the #Ravens. Both teams have significant interest.
Matt Verderame
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Dan Orlovsky just picked us as the favorites for Bell live on ESPN
He had the Colts at 2, who PFT reported were no longer persuing Bell about 20 minutes ago.
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Chicago was clearing up space this morning to make a run at someone (probably Bell).
Hopefully this doesn’t turn into a Nnamdi Asomugha situation where we have to wait it out to see where he goes...
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By my reckoning we have around $40M in space left after we cut Lee and Crowell. I don't think we can afford Bell and Paradis; we still have to sign Anderson, Roberts and Myers, and have space left for rookies. We also don't have a backup QB.
I reckon that all of those moves are waiting on Bell's decision; I'm kind of hoping he goes elsewhere now.
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By my reckoning we have around $40M in space left after we cut Lee and Crowell. I don't think we can afford Bell and Paradis; we still have to sign Anderson, Roberts and Myers, and have space left for rookies. We also don't have a backup QB.
I reckon that all of those moves are waiting on Bell's decision; I'm kind of hoping he goes elsewhere now.
Is Webb not a viable low end backup QB?
I certainly know he's not middle of the pack, but could he not be suitable if we have to pinch pennies? Especially since Darnold will have Gase and the midget as supposed QB specialist to tend to his needs to fill McCowns shoes
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i dont know how much a chance we have at paradis, hes pretty adamant he wants to be a winner and hes supposedly reopened negotiations with denver.
how bad would it be if we signed bell and drafted someone like jenkins? i dont think that'd be a major downgrade, all considering.
obviously bell and paradis would be ideal, but being realistic, were the jets and theres no way we are going to land multiple top free agents
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Is Webb not a viable low end backup QB?
I certainly know he's not middle of the pack, but could he not be suitable if we have to pinch pennies? Especially since Darnold will have Gase and the midget as supposed QB specialist to tend to his needs to fill McCowns shoes
I don't know if Webb is able to step up and run the offense competently if Sam goes down, and with the moves that we have made this team is clearly not in a long haul rebuild. They intend to compete immediately and frankly I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be able to now, so I think we still need a vet backup.
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I don't know if Webb is able to step up and run the offense competently if Sam goes down, and with the moves that we have made this team is clearly not in a long haul rebuild. They intend to compete immediately and frankly I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be able to now, so I think we still need a vet backup.
Can we afford $8-10 million a year on a guy that everyone hopes isn’t going to see the field? I don’t think we can right now.
I think putting all the talent around Sam is the most important thing and beyond that, we have to accept if Sam goes down we are fucked anyways. Finding a backup QB might be an insurance policy for another day
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Can we afford $8-10 million a year on a guy that everyone hopes isn’t going to see the field? I don’t think we can right now.
I think putting all the talent around Sam is the most important thing and beyond that, we have to accept if Sam goes down we are fucked anyways. Finding a backup QB might be an insurance policy for another day
You don't have to spend anything like $8-10M. Are you telling me that you wouldn't prefer someone like Mark Sanchez at vet minimum supporting Sam on the sideline and in the QB room than Davis Webb?
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b b b butt fumble huk huk
i'd love mark back as a backup. he may not have been the greatest, but we've had far worst
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You don't have to spend anything like $8-10M. Are you telling me that you wouldn't prefer someone like Mark Sanchez at vet minimum supporting Sam on the sideline and in the QB room than Davis Webb?
I absolutely would.
But is Sanchez / or comparable guy playing for vet min?
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You don't have to spend anything like $8-10M. Are you telling me that you wouldn't prefer someone like Mark Sanchez at vet minimum supporting Sam on the sideline and in the QB room than Davis Webb?
Sanchez stinks
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I absolutely would.
But is Sanchez / or comparable guy playing for vet min?
Yep. Made $915K last year playing for Washington.
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🆎 @AB89x
Congrats @LeVeonBell on getting that 💰
Gonna let him tell you the team
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beat me by a second, wonder where....
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Antonio Brown is expected to announce his decision. I’m guessing that can mean only one thing.
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🆎 @AB89x
Congrats @LeVeonBell on getting that 💰
Gonna let him tell you the team
Lol Antonio Bryant
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Lol Antonio Bryant
Haha, I'm so dumb. I saw AB and assumed it was Brown.
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Isn’t Bryant 88?
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Haha, I'm so dumb. I saw AB and assumed it was Brown.
I did the same thing. This guy is a quasi reporter though
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Isn’t Bryant 88?
He wore multiple numbers. I think 89 was the last one he wore while he was with the Bucs.
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Manish Mehta
Twitter › MMehtaNYDN
Le’Veon Bell Update: Jets have made their final offer to Bell... with solid guarantees & incentives. My understanding is it is a fair offer— but will not be earth-shattering #s. Jets are waiting a short time for his answer... or they are prepared to move on
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Manish Mehta
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Le’Veon Bell Update: Jets have made their final offer to Bell... with solid guarantees & incentives.
My understanding is it is a fair offer— but will not be earth-shattering #s.
Jets are waiting a short time for his answer... or they are prepared to move on
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Le'Veon Bell
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More Le'Veon Bell Retweeted Akbar Gbajabiamila
yeahh, spill the beansLe'Veon Bell added,
Akbar Gbajabiamila
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.@LeVeonBell am I allowed to tell people yet? Happy for you bro, make us proud! https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1105225662179274752 …
333 replies 933 retweets 2,042 likes
what the freak do it already
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That was from an hour ago.
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Schefter says the Ravens have turned their attention to Ingram.
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(https://i.imgur.com/5qpxXW0.png)
This fucker is gonna wait until Midnight to announce....
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Lol, KGB Twitter is a fake.
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Is this guy trying to be LeBron? Had a year to think about it, make a deal, son.
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According to multiple sources, Le'Veon Bell could end up making between $17-20 million annually from the #Jets, should he sign there. It's believed the deal would be at least a four-year deal with as much as $60 million guaranteed.
Verderame
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If he signs elsewhere for less with that offer actually on the table that will be 1000x worse than the Barr situation
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If he signs elsewhere for less with that offer actually on the table that will be 1000x worse than the Barr situation
Agreed
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freak those terms. He's not worth that.
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freak those terms. He's not worth that.
The chances he was going to get a reasonable contract that he was actually worth were about 5%. We'll see soon, hopefully.
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If he signs elsewhere for less with that offer actually on the table that will be 1000x worse than the Barr situation
If that's what we are offering him I hope he does sign elsewhere
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The chances he was going to get a reasonable contract that he was actually worth were about 5%. We'll see soon, hopefully.
I knew whoever signed him was going to end up overpaying for him but I expected that to cap out at around $16 million annually, not $17-20.
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freak those terms. He's not worth that.
Sure he is. Those are "you make bank for three years while our QB is on his rookie deal and then you're out of here" terms. If we were paying Bell $10M per year and Sam $15M per everyone would rave about what brilliant value we're getting from our two best offensive players, so how does it differ to pay Bell $17.5M and Sam $7.5M?
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FWIW, I don’t think that account is 100% reliable
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1105523333146308610
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Sure he is. Those are "you make bank for three years while our QB is on his rookie deal and then you're out of here" terms. If we were paying Bell $10M per year and Sam $15M per everyone would rave about what brilliant value we're getting from our two best offensive players, so how does it differ to pay Bell $17.5M and Sam $7.5M?
Because those aren't the only two positions on the roster. We can acquire a running back that offers 80% of the value that Bell does at a fraction of the cost and then spend the savings elsewhere either this year or any of the next two years.
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Because those aren't the only two positions on the roster. We can acquire a running back that offers 80% of the value that Bell does at a fraction of the cost and then spend the savings elsewhere either this year or any of the next two years.
Coleman.
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Because those aren't the only two positions on the roster. We can acquire a running back that offers 80% of the value that Bell does at a fraction of the cost and then spend the savings elsewhere either this year or any of the next two years.
No we can't. The reason that you're fine giving Bell $15M, maybe $16M or even $17M, is because he does things no other running back bar maybe David Johnson can do. He is an elite talent and no one else on the market comes close to his abilities in all three key phases.
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News will leak that Bell is going to Jets, then he will renege and choose Ravens.
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News will leak that Bell is going to Jets, then he will renege and choose Ravens.
We’re like battered wives, I swear to God.
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Coleman.
Coleman's likely to get overpaid too once Bell is off the market. I'd honestly rather see us draft a running back and have him form a committee with McGuire than overpay for either of those two guys.
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No we can't. The reason that you're fine giving Bell $15M, maybe $16M or even $17M, is because he does things no other running back bar maybe David Johnson can do. He is an elite talent and no one else on the market comes close to his abilities in all three key phases.
I never said that I was fine signing Bell. I said I was conflicted and explained the reasons why earlier in this thread.
And how's David Johnson working out for the Cardinals?
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I never said that I was fine signing Bell... and how's David Johnson working out for the Cardinals?
Brilliantly pre- and post-McCoy.
It's your prerogative to not want Bell. Everyone has the right to be wrong.
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I’m over it at this point. We likely have the high offer out there. If Bell wanted to come here he would have accepted the deal. We’re likely being used as leverage again.
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I’m over it at this point. We likely have the high offer out there. If Bell wanted to come here he would have accepted the deal. We’re likely being used as leverage again.
Paradis remains the most important piece for me, because it's the hardest position to fill this year in FA/draft IMO.
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I’m over it at this point. We likely have the high offer out there. If Bell wanted to come here he would have accepted the deal. We’re likely being used as leverage again.
I called this yesterday
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News will leak that Bell is going to Jets, then he will renege and choose Ravens.
I don’t think Bell will renege. He will go one way and stay there.
Bells deal will be about 2 things, does he want the money? Or does he want to stick it to Pittsburgh for less money.
If he wants $$$ he’s ours. If he hates Pitt that much, he’s going to be a Raven.
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Paradis remains the most important piece for me, because it's the hardest position to fill this year in FA/draft IMO.
Have heard it’s heatinng up with Denver trying to bring him back again.
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Bell will chose the Ravens and then CJ Mosley will renege
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Bell will chose the Ravens and then CJ Mosley will renege
We still have enough money to get Revis.
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Brilliantly pre- and post-McCoy.
It's your prerogative to not want Bell. Everyone has the right to be wrong.
Alright, for argument's sake, let's just assume that's true. He's getting paid $13 million a year. We're talking about paying Bell $17-20. That's absurd by any reasonable standard when you're talking about the most replaceable position in the sport.
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Paradis remains the most important piece for me, because it's the hardest position to fill this year in FA/draft IMO.
Here's where we're in agreement.
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Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
I continue to be told the Ravens are not in on Le'Veon Bell.
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Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
I continue to be told the Ravens are not in on Le'Veon Bell.
we're screwed
that cross-eyed freak is always wrong
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Macc is getting finessed again
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Alright, for argument's sake, let's just assume that's true. He's getting paid $13 million a year. We're talking about paying Bell $17-20. That's absurd by any reasonable standard when you're talking about the most replaceable position in the sport.
Of course you can replace the position. Running backs are two a penny. What you can't replace is the level of performance that Bell brings, and the only thing absurd is you trying to make out that Bell's basically just Isaiah Crowell with better marketing.
In any sport talent is not paid on a linear scale. You pay exponentially more for the last 20% of talent that takes a player from serviceable to elite, because if you have a roster full of players who are serviceable you'll never win a thing. What you need to do is identify where elite makes the biggest difference, and with this team and this roster running back is absolutely one of those positions. Le'veon Bell makes Sam Darnold exponentially better and while Sam is on his rookie contract, Bell is worth the money he's asking.
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Macc is getting finessed again
charley casserly jr needs to go
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Meanwhile… the #Ravens have been in discussing with RB Mark Ingram on a potential deal, which makes sense as he’s parting ways with the #Saints. They’re the favorites for Ingram.
Rap
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Rapoport says the Jets have given Bell a strong offer, but "not crazy, essentially market value," and they've given him a firm deadline - and that they are still in on Matt Paradis.
Nania
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@RapSheet
Meanwhile… the #Ravens have been in discussing with RB Mark Ingram on a potential deal, which makes sense as he’s parting ways with the #Saints. They’re the favorites for Ingram.
Smoke screen or path for Jets to snag Bell? Hmmmm
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Of course you can replace the position. Running backs are two a penny. What you can't replace is the level of performance that Bell brings, and the only thing absurd is you trying to make out that Bell's basically just Isaiah Crowell with better marketing.
You're mischaracterizing my statements. I've never suggested that Bell is not a great player or that he should be compared to an obviously inferior player like Crowell. He obviously was a great player for the Steelers for the five years that he played for them. My main concerns are a) the assumption that we're going to be getting the same player after he's taken a year off from the sport and has finally received his pay day and b) that we'll be overpaying at a position where we could obtain 80% of the same production at a fraction of the cost and devote those resources elsewhere.
In any sport talent is not paid on a linear scale. You pay exponentially more for the last 20% of talent that takes a player from serviceable to elite, because if you have a roster full of players who are serviceable you'll never win a thing. What you need to do is identify where elite makes the biggest difference, and with this team and this roster running back is absolutely one of those positions. Le'veon Bell makes Sam Darnold exponentially better and while Sam is on his rookie contract, Bell is worth the money he's asking.
I don't disagree with this in principle but what I would argue is that the likelihood of us receiving sufficient production to justify the additional cost is too small to justify the additional cost.
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The #Jets have given Le’Veon Bell a deadline to decide if he is going to sign or not, per sources. They’re not waiting forever.
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I don’t think Bell is gonna like that. He’s obviously having a grand ol time making cryptic social media posts and promoting his album
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Get the center, keep Darnold on his feet and open holes, a lot of guys can run the ball.
I mean, great if we get Bell, if we don't, move on and get the line right. Always another RB somewhere if you can block.
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Get the center, keep Darnold on his feet and open holes, a lot of guys can run the ball.
No one can run, catch, and block as well as Bell though
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No one can run, catch, and block as well as Bell though
Understood, but I'm more interested in the line, especially with Darnold here now.
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ESPN's Dianna Russini said on NFL Live that "most GMs" around NFL believe offers to free agent Le'Veon Bell are "coming in around $11-12 million" per year, and that's obviously well short of what Bell wants.
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ESPN's Dianna Russini said on NFL Live that "most GMs" around NFL believe offers to free agent Le'Veon Bell are "coming in around $11-12 million" per year, and that's obviously well short of what Bell wants.
Jets paying Paradis more than they pay Bell, confirmed.
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Not surprised by this in the least
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Not surprised by this in the least
I hope Bell overplayed himself.
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#Ravens close to signing RB Mark Ingram to a deal around $8M APY per @RapSheet on NFL Network.
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#Ravens close to signing RB Mark Ingram to a deal around $8M APY per @RapSheet on NFL Network.
This would bode well for the Jets having a chance at Bell for an expensive but respectibly expensive price
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I hope Bell overplayed himself.
Bell was an idiot for skipping last year. Even if he got hurt, he would have been guaranteed $14.5 million last season and then (barring a catastrophic injury) his market probably wouldn't have been that different than it is right now.
It might have even been greater.
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Bell was an idiot for skipping last year. Even if he got hurt, he would have been guaranteed $14.5 million last season and then (barring a catastrophic injury) his market probably wouldn't have been that different than it is right now.
I agree
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Bell was an idiot for skipping last year. Even if he got hurt, he would have been guaranteed $14.5 million last season and then (barring a catastrophic injury) his market probably wouldn't have been that different than it is right now.
It might have even been greater.
Exactly. Part of this contract is trying to make it look like a “win” for him and his agent, and right now the offers aren’t there.
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i'm already tired of caring about this. make a choice so we can all move on
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i'm already tired of caring about this. make a choice so we can all move on
This
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this is less about Bell making the wrong decision and more about owners wanting to prove that he did
There are many factors why Le’Veon Bell is essentially down to the Jets or bust. But do not ignore his holdout last year as a huge one. I can’t overstate how much some owners hated that Bell sat out the year. Bell is Morpheus and the owners are Agent Smith.
-mike freeman
basically the Jets are in a position to get Bell on a reasonable deal because chris johnson gets less pissy about players kneeling or wanting to be paid appropriate salaries than other owners
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Understood, but I'm more interested in the line, especially with Darnold here now.
Exactly my thoughts. If Bell gets here fine but with a heavy weight O line we can manage with a serviceable Back
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this is less about Bell making the wrong decision and more about owners wanting to prove that he did
-mike freeman
basically the Jets are in a position to get Bell on a reasonable deal because chris johnson gets less pissy about players kneeling or wanting to be paid appropriate salaries than other owners
5 Years 60M would be amazing.
I'll believe it when I see it though. Barr just reinforced every Jets fans cynicism
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https://mobile.twitter.com/theadamsera/status/1105590508762681344
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the hesitancy is speaking volumes. if we are really the only team with a legitimate offer for bell and he is waiting to see how much more he can get, all it will take is for 1 team out of 29 to offer a slightly higher offer for him to move on from us
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the hesitancy is speaking volumes. if we are really the only team with a legitimate offer for bell and he is waiting to see how much more he can get, all it will take is for 1 team out of 29 to offer a slightly higher offer for him to move on from us
Who cares... you can always counter offer
Rule #1 in negotiating. Never negotiate against yourself
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the hesitancy is speaking volumes. if we are really the only team with a legitimate offer for bell and he is waiting to see how much more he can get, all it will take is for 1 team out of 29 to offer a slightly higher offer for him to move on from us
Which is why Bell is waiting. He’s not getting the money he wants and we aren’t budging because we know we are bidding against ourselves.
It’s also why we put a timer on him. Either sign by x time or we walk and you are left holding your dick
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As I just reported on @nflnetwork ... the @nyjets are getting antsy, and their offer to Le'Veon Bell likely won't last past tonight. If he's going to sign there it probably will have to happen very soon.
Mike Silver
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and bell's buddies have been tweeting about knowing the team and the contract all day
the way nfl fa is set up is ridiculously stupid and no one actually knows anything
more than anything else bell is probably having a good time freaking with people on twitter. I respect it.
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and bell's buddies have been tweeting about knowing the team and the contract all day
the way nfl fa is set up is ridiculously stupid and no one actually knows anything
more than anything else bell is probably having a good time freaking with people on twitter. I respect it.
He’s probably waiting until midnight to announce the signing along with the release of his “album”.
They should pull the offer at 11:55
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FWIW. As some of you guys know, I work for the NFL now and my boss just told me to be prepared because the Jets will announce the signing of Bell at any moment. I still don’t know if he’s freaking with me (most people make fun of me with the Jets there), but I still thought it was interesting to share.
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bell's friends tweeting about him already having a deal is just to try and get other teams to overreact and offer more money. they're trying to do him a favor
i know it may be a 'we're bidding against ourselves' scenario but i don't think we're going about it right setting a hard deadline and trying to save as much as we can on this deal. bell already knows we have egg on our face from today's events and are actively trying to sign players/improve the team.
if our strategy is to just offer a higher 'counteroffer' after 1/29 teams offers more money than we do after setting a hard deadline, then he'd know we'd renege on our word and offer higher than what we say we're willing to offer
i think you can be proactive and still get the deal done in a reasonable fashion, without the wait
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FWIW. As some of you guys know, I work for the NFL now and my boss just told me to be prepared because the Jets will announce the signing of Bell at any moment. I still don’t know if he’s freaking with me (most people make fun of me with the Jets there), but I still thought it was interesting to share.
Dunno how true that is since teams won't announce any signings until tomorrow
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FWIW. As some of you guys know, I work for the NFL now and my boss just told me to be prepared because the Jets will announce the signing of Bell at any moment. I still don’t know if he’s freaking with me (most people make fun of me with the Jets there), but I still thought it was interesting to share.
WE HAVE A SOURCE
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bell's friends tweeting about him already having a deal is just to try and get other teams to overreact and offer more money. they're trying to do him a favor
i know it may be a 'we're bidding against ourselves' scenario but i don't think we're going about it right setting a hard deadline and trying to save as much as we can on this deal. bell already knows we have egg on our face from today's events and are actively trying to sign players/improve the team.
if our strategy is to just offer a higher 'counteroffer' after 1/29 teams offers more money than we do after setting a hard deadline, then he'd know we'd renege on our word and offer higher than what we say we're willing to offer
i think you can be proactive and still get the deal done in a reasonable fashion, without the wait
favor or freaking with people for fun? these are basically frat bros. little column a, little column b
I doubt the jets are trying to nickel and dime him. they probably made an offer bigger than the 11/12 million range people are talking about and said they need to know sooner than later if he wants to sign here. I don't see a problem with that.
lot of assumptions on my part but one of them is that the jets aren't completely stupid and socially inept
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which, I mean, it's fair to wait and see on
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favor or freaking with people for fun? these are basically frat bros. little column a, little column b
I doubt the jets are trying to nickel and dime him. they probably made an offer bigger than the 11/12 million range people are talking about and said they need to know sooner than later if he wants to sign here. I don't see a problem with that.
lot of assumptions on my part but one of them is that the jets aren't completely stupid and socially inept
If any team is capable of completely freaking this up in a socially inept manner, it's the Jets
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i hope this mexican fellow pans out as a source so i can feel like i was smart and knew something before the plebs
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vicarious sourcing
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I also hope we get bell in the same few minutes after the lolgiants just traded odell
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WE HAVE A SOURCE
Still not sure if it’s a reliable or a shitty source but I’ll do my best to keep you posted if I know something haha
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Dunno how true that is since teams won't announce any signings until tomorrow
Well, yeah but you know what I mean. Someone will leak it to someone and then everybody will know about it.
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WE HAVE A SOURCE
we’ve been waiting for years for this moment!
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Everyone up Bell’s derriere and somehow the Giants and Browns make a colossal trade.
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The Pittsburgh offer Bell's agent accepted the player rejected was a 5-year, $70 million deal with $33 million guaranteed.
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I hope we get him for 5 years 50 million and 30 guaranteed
Incoming deal
6 years 97 million and 72 million guaranteed
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Tick tock.... how much more times left on Bells clock?
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I'm hoping the only reason this Bell thing is taking so long is he just wants to use the opportunity to sell his shitty album and not because he is dicking around the Jets
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https://twitter.com/bellvonte/status/1105628846198415361
Im going to bed, have fun listening to the album guys
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If he actually announces via his album release.... this shot will have been planned for weeks.
If Bell goes to Baltimore what the freak was the point of signing Ingram?
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He'll probably end up in Baltimore so he can stick it to the Steelers twice a year while is still staring at his phone to ring
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If he actually announces via his album release.... this shot will have been planned for weeks.
If Bell goes to Baltimore what the freak was the point of signing Ingram?
I dont think Ingram to Balt is a done deal
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Everyone's talking about Baltimore but watch Chicago as well.
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ah freak it football sucks anyway
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least ill save money this year on sunday ticket again /brightside
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Seriously what do we have to do to get someone to take our money. I thought highest bidder meant something to athletes. If Bell goes elsewhere that would reportedly be the third guy in a single day to pass on a significantly higher paying deal to go somewhere else.
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how has this excrement not officially leaked yet? There’s no way that there aren’t 50 people who know what this decision is and not one of them is getting paid by a press person to break their silence?
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how has this excrement not officially leaked yet? There’s no way that there aren’t 50 people who know what this decision is and not one of them is getting paid by a press person to break their silence?
you dont wanna be removed from the inner circle of a dude who has been supporting you, and just signed a new deal so will be blowing money for like 10k cash
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my theory is that everyone in the league already knows and no one cares enough to give it to beat writers and pee on bell's little parade
hopefully it's the jets. who tf knows
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you dont wanna be removed from the inner circle of a dude who has been supporting you, and just signed a new deal so will be blowing money for like 10k cash
I mean I’m assuming that someone with the franchise he’s signing with knows wtf bell is doing
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my theory is that everyone in the league already knows and no one cares enough to give it to beat writers and pee on bell's little parade
hopefully it's the jets. who tf knows
I think it’s the exact opposite if everyone knew they would leak it just as a middle finger to him. Do you think any owners or gms want to encourage this derriere-hats behavior?
Honestly if he wasn’t the best in the game he would probably be blackballed if he were pulling this excrement as an “average” back
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Never thought I'd be staying up until midnight awaiting the release of a football player who hasn't played football in a year's mixtape. But here we are.
I feel you breer. i feel you.
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I think it’s the exact opposite if everyone knew they would leak it just as a middle finger to him. Do you think any owners or gms want to encourage this derriere-hats behavior?
Honestly if he wasn’t the best in the game he would probably be blackballed if he were pulling this excrement as an “average” back
I was going to disagree with this but imma wait a few minutes to see whether or not he's a jet I wanna stan
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wait hes supposedly made the announcement in some song on his mixtape? what is twitter going on about?
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wait hes supposedly made the announcement in some song on his mixtape? what is twitter going on about?
This is just a rumor.
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dudes gonna hit 1m downloads on his trash mixtape and not even announce it. hahah
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@_6S6K6
im on track 5 and the only thing I have came away with is le'veon bell should take football more seriously this mixtape is horrible
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I'm done goodnight
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same forget this noise i dont even care
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Former Steelers’ RB Le’Veon Bell plans to sign with…the New York Jets, a league source tells ESPN
Schefter
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Former Steelers’ RB Le’Veon Bell plans to sign with…the New York Jets, a league source tells ESPN
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i'll believe it when he signs the contract
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I had 0% confidence in this happening
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And I didn’t listen to that awful mixtape! W!
Twitter jokes were worth it
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I hate giving a running back a ton of money, but we have money to burn, and the offense needs to make some plays.
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ya i wasnt listening to that trash.
glad we got someone, lets see if he dosent change his mind in the morning
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Well, it seems my source wasn't wrong. They were just freaking waiting for his mixtape or something. But yeah, like IATA says, until it's signed I won't believe it 100%.
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Le’Veon Bell: 4 years, $52.5 million with the Jets, per source.
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wow. he fucked himself.
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That's actually a great contract
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Le’Veon Bell: 4 years, $52.5 million with the Jets, per source.
He literally stopped talking on SportsCenter so he could send out that tweet.
That sounds fair, though obviously the details will matter a lot.
I hate overpaying running backs, but we needed to get some talent, and this is an infusion of talent.
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For the #Jets and RB Le’Veon Bell, it’s a 4-year deal worth $52.5M, source said.
Wow
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That's actually a great contract
Way less than I thought. The offers weren’t there
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The album was trash by the way. Not that I was expecting anything on it.
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He literally stopped talking on SportsCenter so he could send out that tweet.
That sounds fair, though obviously the details will matter a lot.
I hate overpaying running backs, but we needed to get some talent, and this is an infusion of talent.
If he returns to form, $13M per season is not overpaying.
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If he returns to form, $13M per season is not overpaying.
I should rephrase. I hate paying running backs significant money. That isn't overpaying if Bell produces what he has produced in his career. And with Darnold on his rookie deal and a excrement ton of cap space, you can afford some luxuries.
I wasn't sure how I would feel when the news became official, but I get more excited the more I think about this.
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call him stupid if you want to but what really happened here was bell made an extremely fiscally conservative decision to risk taking less money overall instead of risking getting killed last year and being poor
green light now, full bell stan mode engaged
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Loved your mixtape. @LeVeonBell
hhahahahhahahah nice
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Maccagnan officially redeemed for not outbidding himself
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OK, really would have preferred our marquis signings to be a center and an edge, but so be it. Let the Bell Era begin!
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I'd feel bad about paying a running back a lot of money if he wasn't a great running back and also receiver and also blocker
freak his position, he's good at playing football and does good things on almost all plays he's involved in
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https://twitter.com/Crazy_Gase_Eyes/status/1105687560162959360
Adam Gase's Eyes
@Crazy_Gase_Eyes
When you see you signed Le’Veon Bell... #Jets #leveonbell
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I'd feel bad about paying a running back a lot of money if he wasn't a great running back and also receiver and also blocker
Completely agree. If you're going to invest significant assets in a running back, make sure he can catch the ball and block. Bell can do both.
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Bell is an elite inside and outside ball carrier.
Bell is an elite check down option (route runner and receiver).
Bell is an elite pass protector.
LETS
freaking
GO
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That's actually a great contract
I thought for sure we'd have to beat Gurley's contract.
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Isaiah Crowell/Bilal Powell vs Le'Veon Bell
Jermaine Kearse vs Jamison Crowder
James Carpenter vs Kelechi Osemele
3 big upgrades to the offense already, and Mosley is a big addition to the defense.
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I’m back in the green baby, let’s get it
-Bell
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Maccagnan officially redeemed for not outbidding himself
Agreed. I was bracing for something absurd
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Have him rap lyrics from his mixtape on the field to distract opposing defenses, who will be confused and fail to understand what's going on
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Isaiah Crowell/Bilal Powell vs Le'Veon Bell
Jermaine Kearse vs Jamison Crowder
James Carpenter vs Kelechi Osemele
3 big upgrades to the offense already, and Mosley is a big addition to the defense.
We still have Isaiah Crowell too. I wonder if we'll just hang on to him or if this signing pushes him out the door. I'd take him as a backup unless we acquire more picks and draft a prospect.
Bell/Crowell/McGuire is a hell of a lot better than Crowell/McGuire/Cannon
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Le’Veon Bell’s four-year deal with the New York Jets has a max value of $61 million and includes $35 million guaranteed, per source.
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Have him rap lyrics from his mixtape on the field to distract opposing defenses, who will be confused and fail to understand what's going on
“Gas on E” is obviously a message to our coach
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Isaiah Crowell/Bilal Powell vs Le'Veon Bell
Jermaine Kearse vs Jamison Crowder
James Carpenter vs Kelechi Osemele
3 big upgrades to the offense already, and Mosley is a big addition to the defense.
Bellamy > Peake
I’m joking but he actually played productive snaps on offense last year. Obviously a problem if that happens but still
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Bell is such a good route runner that Pittsburgh would line him up at X. Gase should have a lot of fun with this guy.
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We’re like battered wives, I swear to God.
Shut up and do the dishes bitch.
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When was the last time we had an elite playmaker in their prime on offense? Early years of Martin?
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this album is SO good*
*someone else lmk
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As Le’Veon Bell tried to get other teams involved late, the #Jets stayed with their offer. DIdn’t move today. And Bell lands at NYJ.
-Rap
Hahahah
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49ers tried to sign him and we won out. We lost Jerick McKinnon to them last year during free agency.
Apparently Le'Veon's favorite player growing up was Curtis Martin and if you guys didn't already know, his favorite team was the Jets.
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Great player. Great contract. Let's freaking go!
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Shut up and do the dishes bitch.
Lol this is what you post in your return.
Whooo hoooooo. Good, no, great numbers in money and years.
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@LeVeonBell I’m in Miami brotha. We going up tonight!!!
Your President
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new avy, who dis?
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new avy, who dis?
Ayyyyyyyy
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https://twitter.com/bellvonte/status/1105628846198415361
https://twitter.com/bellvonte/status/1105690167606534145
Bahahah this guy (Bell’s brother) is too much
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i was worried it would approach 16+ mil per. this deal is great.
invest in OL now
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https://www.12up.com/posts/6318411-le-veon-bell-has-a-ton-of-funny-old-tweets-about-the-jets/partners/44704
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i am happy. we need to fix OL still. interested in seeing what maccagnan has planned, if anything other than the draft
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We absolutely need to sign a stopgap center now...whether it's John Sullivan or Stefan Wisnieski.
I know we haven't added a pass rusher yet (after the Barr renege) but Jawaan Taylor makes a ton of sense for this team. He is better than Brandon Shell and Kelvin Beachum. We've just made a huge investing into a star running back. Give him every opportunity to perform. It will only help Sam Darnold develop.
The only front seven player I would take over Jawaan Taylor is Nick Bosa and if Kyler Murray does end up going #1 to Arizona, there's always hope that Bosa might slide to #3.
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We absolutely need to sign a stopgap center now...whether it's John Sullivan or Stefan Wisnieski.
I know we haven't added a pass rusher yet (after the Barr renege) but Jawaan Taylor makes a ton of sense for this team. He is better than Brandon Shell and Kelvin Beachum. We've just made a huge investing into a star running back. Give him every opportunity to perform. It will only help Sam Darnold develop.
The only front seven player I would take over Jawaan Taylor is Nick Bosa and if Kyler Murray does end up going #1 to Arizona, there's always hope that Bosa might slide to #3.
im a huge fan of allen and would fully support taking him at 3. however if we could do something like trade down to 6 and get 17th from the giants. we could then either take taylor at 6 or sweat at 6 and the best OL available at 17th.
but we need some vet depth asap.
I did just post in the FA thread about packaging both 3rd rd picks to move up to early day 2 for Bradbury if he makes it out of rd 1
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Fallout from Bell: Look for RB Isaiah Crowell to be released by Friday, when $2M of his $4M base salary becomes fully guaranteed. They'll save $3M on the cap; a $2M dead charge. #Jets
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We absolutely need to sign a stopgap center now...whether it's John Sullivan or Stefan Wisnieski.
I know we haven't added a pass rusher yet (after the Barr renege) but Jawaan Taylor makes a ton of sense for this team. He is better than Brandon Shell and Kelvin Beachum. We've just made a huge investing into a star running back. Give him every opportunity to perform. It will only help Sam Darnold develop.
The only front seven player I would take over Jawaan Taylor is Nick Bosa and if Kyler Murray does end up going #1 to Arizona, there's always hope that Bosa might slide to #3.
100% agree on Sullivan/Wisnieski. That would make me feel a lot more comfortable. Read today that Sullivan had a great rapport with Goff and is credited with helping him develop.
This is an excellent Center draft and we should try and find one in the mid rounds, but going into week 1 with a rookie center and Harrison would scare me.
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but yeah couldnt agree more about Wisenewski or Sullivan. any veteran depth at this point.
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49ers tried to sign him and we won out. We lost Jerick McKinnon to them last year during free agency.
Apparently Le'Veon's favorite player growing up was Curtis Martin and if you guys didn't already know, his favorite team was the Jets.
The only two things I will ever have in common with Bell
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The only two things I will ever have in common with Bell
You may be a better rapper tbh
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halftime shows of Jets Vs Bills game will just be Cole Beasely shitting on Bell in a rap battle
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I still want to see this contract and at what point we can get out of it. This is a guy who just sat out a whole season, and averaged 4.0 yds per carry in his last year, and he will be 30 when this contract ends.
If we can get out of it after 2.5 years, I'll be completely on board with it. Any more, and there's a lot more risk.
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Lol this is what you post in your return.
Whooo hoooooo. Good, no, great numbers in money and years.
I hope you didn't expect something serious from me? Lol
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https://www.12up.com/posts/6318411-le-veon-bell-has-a-ton-of-funny-old-tweets-about-the-jets/partners/44704
so what you're saying is bell didn't want to sign with the jets because he's actually a mongo SOJ fan like the rest of us
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The only two things I will ever have in common with Bell
Also your employer will almost certainly be paying you less than you believe you're worth but no one else is offering you more.
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that's actually just amazing
guy's there sitting on twitter bitching about how bad sanchez is in 2012 and wanting to draft cousins
he probably saw the jets draft hackenberg and said freak this franchise I'm never playing for them
this is perhaps the funniest thing ever and I officially have a new favorite jet
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Also your employer will almost certainly be paying you less than you believe you're worth but no one else is offering you more.
I actually think I'm worth the money I am getting but it's still not enough to make me want to do it.
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You may be a better rapper tbh
I have to assume anyone who doesn't actually rap is a better rapper than Bell.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOyKaL7vf6E
Bell highlights
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Thank god that’s over.
Bell overplayed his hand. Ultimately he gave up 30 million guaranteed from the Steelers in their offer and more potential money, then he passed on 14.5 million on the tag, to sign with us to get $30 million guaranteed.
Glad he’s a jet. What he brings to the table could transform our offense and should really be a huge help to Sam.
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We absolutely need to sign a stopgap center now...whether it's John Sullivan or Stefan Wisnieski.
I know we haven't added a pass rusher yet (after the Barr renege) but Jawaan Taylor makes a ton of sense for this team. He is better than Brandon Shell and Kelvin Beachum. We've just made a huge investing into a star running back. Give him every opportunity to perform. It will only help Sam Darnold develop.
The only front seven player I would take over Jawaan Taylor is Nick Bosa and if Kyler Murray does end up going #1 to Arizona, there's always hope that Bosa might slide to #3.
Re: Bosa, trying not to get my hopes up with SF trading for Ford.
In regards to Taylor, if the Jets take him, does Beacham have any trade value? Would we move him or keep him as “the guy” for the year and allow Taylor the chance to learn the ropes of the pros and transition to the left side, and Taylor becomes our backup swing tackle in year one?
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Woooo...suck it Anthony Barr
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Word.
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The Giants fan base schadenfreude coupled with the Bell signing has turned this morning into a very enjoyable experience
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Now that's a hell of a deal for the Jets. Bell has to feel like an poopchute and I wouldn't be surprised if he fires his agent.
He's the best offensive weapon to be on the Jets since Curtis Martin.
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has he changed his mind yet?
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Now that's a hell of a deal for the Jets. Bell has to feel like an poopchute and I wouldn't be surprised if he fires his agent.
He's the best offensive weapon to be on the Jets since Curtis Martin.
his agent tried to accept the last pittsburgh offer, but bell said no. bell owns this.
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his agent tried to accept the last pittsburgh offer, but bell said no. bell owns this.
what if bell just didn't want to be in pittsburgh anymore? yeah he wanted to shop around and try to see how much money he could possibly get on the open market, but seeing how things have been going in pittsburgh, if you're not named ben it may not be the most ideal of places for players, legacy/history and all.
he totally lost money/left money on the table but if he didn't want to remain in pittsburgh anyways and save his body from the overuse they were subjecting him to, it was probably worth it to him
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has he changed his mind yet?
Too hard to say, but he's still on the phone with Mrs. Winfield, so that can't be good.
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When was the last time we had an elite playmaker in their prime on offense? Early years of Martin?
Could make the case for early Santana Moss or Santonio Holmes when we first got him (also from Pittsburgh).
Same year we got Curtis Martin we also got Kevin Mawae from Seattle, I think in a trade.
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Kevin Mawae, today, is better than our current options at center right now.
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Kevin Mawae, today, is better than our current options at center right now.
What if he kneeled for the anthem though?
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then the jets could sign him for less money by virtue of being one of the few teams in the league that isn't run by whiny bitches
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when y'all get back to jersey or long island after a hard day working at the docks or installing hvac units, just remember that the jets are better than the giants today because everything you believe in your heart about life and the world around you is completely wrong
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Monetarily, Bell made the wrong decision. Career-wise, he made the wrong decision.
But he should be set monetarily for life with or without last year. Not going to judge him for sitting out last year (unless he starts sucking).
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What if he kneeled for the anthem though?
Mawae wouldn't. He bleeds red, white, blue and green. Plus, he was just there to play the game, club and all.
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Monetarily, Bell made the wrong decision. Career-wise, he made the wrong decision.
But he should be set monetarily for life with or without last year. Not going to judge him for sitting out last year (unless he starts sucking).
Just to be sure, Antonio Cromartie should take him for a ride in his Prius, introduce him to his 15 ex girlfriends and 11 illegitimate children. He will then be quite sure to properly manage his affairs.
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Mawae wouldn't. He bleeds red, white, blue and green. Plus, he was just there to play the game, club and all.
I get that he loves America, but how does he feel about police brutality against black people?
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I have some american flag hats I like to rock but I can't wear the red ones anymore because of you people.
luckily my favorite one is jets green anyway
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I have some american flag hats I like to rock but I can't wear the red ones anymore because of you people.
Wear it. You just have to be ready to fight if you do.
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I get that he loves America, but how does he feel about police brutality against black people?
Probably the same as the rest of us- that police brutality against anyone, including black people, has no place in our society. I'm sure that he'd also agree that there are better forums to express whatever feelings someone has, outside of a football game.
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I have some american flag hats I like to rock but I can't wear the red ones anymore because of you people.
luckily my favorite one is jets green anyway
Make the Jets Great Again
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Jets camo hat so you can covert Maga >>>
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Make the Jets Great Again
Should probably concentrate on simple things like Korean denuclearisation and the trade deficit first before we start tackling challenges as difficult as making the Jets competitive.
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I really wanted this team to get a center, but Bell was the #1 target for me going into the offseason, and they got it done.
If the Jets can move down from 3 and get Taylor, that would be the ideal situation for me. Apart from that, I think they should take the best pass rusher on the board at 3 and spend the rest of the draft on corners and trying to add something at NT, C, WR (outside), T--in that order.
If they can add a pass-catching TE in FA, I'd probably deprioritize WR on that list. I'd just go with Robby and Quincy on the outside and see if Burnett can make some noise as well, and use a lot of Herndon, TE2, and Crowder.
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pretty sure Mawae is a right wing trump supporter. he wont give out his opinions because he says if you have the wrong opinion, youre a bad guy and his staunch anti abortion stance
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https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1105902838687956994
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I have some american flag hats I like to rock but I can't wear the red ones anymore because of you people.
luckily my favorite one is jets green anyway
What do you mean, you people.
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What do you mean, you people.
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https://twitter.com/oniysportz/status/1105917203390464001
Hahahaha. Prob an old video though
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What do you mean, you people.
you other people wearing red hats and making america and americans look foolish
being mistaken for a conservative because I like america and wear american flag stuff is one thing, being mistaken for a trumpster is another
I'll just wear the jets colored one and watch them win superbowls with all the flamboyantly gay black dudes in the league
I hope cleveland gets more racist and we can get OBJ but unfortunately lebron and company messed that up for us with making cleveland a nice place with brewpubs and social liberalism
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@MagicJohnson:I think the signing of former Spartan and All-Pro running back @LeVeonBell will make the Jets a playoff contending team.
Lock it in
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Lock it in
Good to hear. I wonder what Jerry Rice's views are on the impact of Fred Vanvleet's return from injury for the Raptors' Championship ambitions.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/knicksjets4life/status/1105983953687724037
First intelligent thing Stephen A has said since ever
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Contract details are out.
Breer:
Since the numbers are in, let's compare the Steelers offer vs. the Jets deal ...
Through Year 1: Steelers $19.5M, Jets $14.5M
Through Year 2: Steelers $33.0M, Jets $26M
Through Year 3: Steelers $45.0M, Jets $39.5M
Bell played himself.
In the Jets deal the guaranteed money is in the first 2 years, $26M.
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My quick math on Le’Veon Bell’s salary cap number for the Jets:
2019: $8.5M
2020: $13.5M
2021: $15.5M
2022: $17M
There’s no way to sugarcoat it: The Jets dominated this deal.
Manish
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More interesting wrinkles in Jets deal with Le’Veon Bell:
He can earn up to $1.5M based on rushing + receiving yards and playoff incentives from 2019-2022
From 2020-2022, he can earn $550K for rushing + receiving yards, winning NFL Offensive Player of Year & NFL MVP escalators
Le’Veon Bell’s full guaranteed money runs out after first two years. So, there are $3M training camp reporting bonuses in 2021 and 2022.
Manish
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Manish
So we are paying him to attend TC on time? That’s a hilarious way to help prevent a holdout.
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Credit where due, Maccagnan kicked derriere on this one.
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Credit where due, Maccagnan kicked derriere on this one.
He's now brought in a franchise QB and a top notch RB in the last two off seasons. The key will be how he did with his first real coach hire.
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Le'Veon Bell: "In all reality, the Jets were the team... that I wanted to go. Once the numbers made sense, it wasn't hard for me.... I'm happy where I stand."
Bell Press Conference 1
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Le'Veon Bell on Sam Darnold: "I'm looking forward on being... his security blanket. ... I obviously think he has a high ceiling and his potential is through the roof."
Le'Veon Bell: "It sucked not having to playing football... Resting and letting my body heal.... this is the best I've literally ever felt in my life."
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Le'Veon Bell on regrets on sitting out the year: "The decision I made... I don't regret anything that happened. Who can I say if I played on a franchise tag, if I do get hurt, do I sit hear with the NY Jets with a beautiful deal?"
Le'Veon Bell: "I grew up a Curtis Martin fan... loving the NY Jets.... When the season ended, all the stars aligned with the Jets. They were my favorite team growing up... In my head, that's where I wanted to go. I'm glad we made it happen. I'm happy, They're happy."
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Le'Veon Bell on Sam Darnold: "I'm looking forward on being... his security blanket. ... I obviously think he has a high ceiling and his potential is through the roof."
Le'Veon Bell: "It sucked not having to playing football... Resting and letting my body heal.... this is the best I've literally ever felt in my life."
I'm sure a year of smoking blunts and jetskiing felt really good
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Le'Veon Bell on Sam Darnold: "I'm going to so everythting in my power to make it as easy as possible (for him)... You never know what he can do with another weapon."
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Le'Veon Bell on @TheAdamsEra recruiting: "Jamal did his thing. He was texting me, tweeting me... Instagram.... It meant everything in the world to me... that he wanted me that much. It was definitely a huge part. He made it happen."
PRESIDENT
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Bell says Sam Darnold was “absolutely” part of the reason he wanted to join the Jets.
Bell on conference call:"Absolutely, that definitely was part of it, seeing a guy so young and so talented. Maybe all he needs is another weapon. He definitely was a reason why I chose to come here."
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Le’Veon Bell says Jamal Adams did everything to recruit him. Was constantly reaching out by texting, calling, Instagram and Twitter. “He made it happen.”
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Le’Veon Bell says Jamal Adams did everything to recruit him. Was constantly reaching out by texting, calling, Instagram and Twitter. “He made it happen.”
Avatar game 🔥🔥🔥
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Macc drafted Adams and went up to get Darnold, now this. He's putting a team together.
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Bell says the reason #Jets were on the back of his mind because of “the opportunity.” Only person in family who was a Jets fan, because of Curtis Martin
First time I’ve heard that his family wasn’t Jets fans.... p cool
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1106336958752657408
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JFowlerESPN:
Couple of notes from Le'Veon Bell on his free agency:
*San Fran offered three years, $38 million, "just about fully guaranteed." Very tempting
*Bell knew around time of NFL combine he wanted to go to the Jets.
*Derek Carr and Antonio Brown recruited him hard.
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Curt has some very good opinions about Bell.
curtis Martin o. Le'veon Bell (https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/curtis-martin-on-leveon-bell-the-total-running-back-package/amp/)
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https://www.ganggreennation.com/platform/amp/2019/3/15/18267112/the-numbers-behind-leveon-bells-greatness-michael-nania-new-york-jets?__twitter_impression=true
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https://www.ganggreennation.com/platform/amp/2019/3/15/18267112/the-numbers-behind-leveon-bells-greatness-michael-nania-new-york-jets?__twitter_impression=true
looks like connor went for 20+ on nearly 4.2% of his carries and got stuffed under 40%
might be a pretty talented player for the steelers
still, on him vs. the super star feature back putting up similar YPC, I wonder which was more the product of situational opportunities in the steelers' offense
hmm
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https://twitter.com/htjf94/status/1107794029817802752
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looks like connor went for 20+ on nearly 4.2% of his carries and got stuffed under 40%
might be a pretty talented player for the steelers
still, on him vs. the super star feature back putting up similar YPC, I wonder which was more the product of situational opportunities in the steelers' offense
hmm
Watch what happens to that run game without Antonio Brown
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https://twitter.com/htjf94/status/1107794029817802752
Lol best deep threat in the league.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/video/2019/03/19/leveon-bell-interview-new-york-jets-pittsburgh-steelers
Wow. I’m only 4 minutes in but everyone needs to watch this.
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Says he’s been working out since December and the reports that he was 260 lbs were false. Most he ever weighed was 240 and he’s 230 lb’s right now. Said his typical in-season weight is in the 215-225 range.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/video/2019/03/19/leveon-bell-interview-new-york-jets-pittsburgh-steelers
Wow. I’m only 4 minutes in but everyone needs to watch this.
Ain't no one got no 25 minutes for that.
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Ain't no one got no 25 minutes for that.
K
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Yo bro @LeVeonBell you gone be happy with gase have ya favorite ply always ready. Cuz gone call It. I know personally.
-CJ Anderson
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K
I'm 8 minutes into this interview and the primary thing I'm taking from it is that Jenny Vrentas is nothing like as hot as she used to be. Also, she needs to fix her seated posture or she's going to be at risk of back problems in future years.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/video/2019/03/19/leveon-bell-interview-new-york-jets-pittsburgh-steelers
Wow. I’m only 4 minutes in but everyone needs to watch this.
Does sports illustrated not have an editor? This is terrible.
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Does sports illustrated not have an editor? This is terrible.
I made it through 12 awful, tedious minutes before I gave up. I'm not sure what insight SFD thought he was getting from it.
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That interview was terrible, know what I'm saying?
I didn't see any insight from it, know what I'm saying?
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I made it through 12 awful, tedious minutes before I gave up. I'm not sure what insight SFD thought he was getting from it.
Lmao you watched that for 12 minutes? Loser
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Lmao you watched that for 12 minutes? Loser
Haha, the off season is long, not that long.
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Lmao you watched that for 12 minutes? Loser
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if you can read between the lines at all that interview is fire
takes off in the second half
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basic points are bell is a sensitive freaking marshmallow, was 100% about the guaranteed money, thought everyone in the steelers organization was kind of a dick and is relieved that the jets are not dicks
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@alldayeMAYE: That 20 gone crazy in that black!!!
Bell #26 confirmed
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Maye wore 20 in college so that makes sense. Hopefully he'll find more injury luck in the new number.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1126562932257632256
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https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1132009831240544256
On repeat all weekend
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Also: not fat.
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1135642734658764801?s=21
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1135642734658764801?s=21
"I'm hearing reports Leveon Bell was not actually at the Jets facility, it was actually a slimmed down hologram of Leveon Bell. Bell is drunk, drug addicted, and fat in his Miami apartment. Disgrace." ~ Manish Mehta
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https://nypost.com/2019/06/05/leveon-bells-girlfriends-vanish-with-500k-of-his-jewelry/
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https://nypost.com/2019/06/05/leveon-bells-girlfriends-vanish-with-500k-of-his-jewelry/
If you're going to have more than one of your girlfriends in your house, at the same time, with you not home, you kind of did it to yourself.
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If you're going to have more than one of your girlfriends in your house, at the same time, with you not home, you kind of did it to yourself.
Or just rent one at a time and walk them to their ride, like normal people.
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What a guy.
https://www.nj.com/jets/2019/06/jets-leveon-bell-jewelry-theft-in-911-call-he-says-he-left-girlfriends-naked-in-bed-before-they-allegedly-stole-from-him.html
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No wonder why they stole all of his stuff. He left them in his house naked. They stole his clothes because he took their clothes. I mean they needed to wear something...
#MixedGirlsAreInnocent
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If Bell is spending that kind of cash on jewelry and then leaving naked one night stands in house alone, the dude will be extraordinarily broke when his career is over. Like TO broke within 2 years of being forced out of the league
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I wouldn't worry about him. Brandon Copeland is sure to set him up with a fiscally responsible retirement plan.
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yeah, so some of my friends were playing pickup basketball at an LA fitness in parsippany yesterday with le'veon
i could understand if this was the offseason doing this excrement, but extraneous stuff like that during the course of preseason/regular season would get me worried about added, unnecessary injury risk
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yeah, so some of my friends were playing pickup basketball at an LA fitness in parsippany yesterday with le'veon
i could understand if this was the offseason doing this excrement, but extraneous stuff like that during the course of preseason/regular season would get me worried about added, unnecessary injury risk
Surprised that wouldn't be mentioned in his contract (or maybe it is). That killed Aaron Boone's career.
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Your Week 1 leaders in tackles avoided, per @PFF:
1. Alvin Kamara (10)
2. Le'Veon Bell (9)
3. Josh Jacobs (9)
4. Austin Ekeler 8
5. Damien Williams 8
6. Chris Carson (7)
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yeah, so some of my friends were playing pickup basketball at an LA fitness in parsippany yesterday with le'veon
I've played there, going back a few years now. A bunch of fired up foreign guys who don't know the game real well, that's definitely an injury risk.
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I've played there, going back a few years now.
Glory days. You had quite the team.
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Glory days. You had quite the team.
(http://steveboese.squarespace.com/storage/Sports-before-Tech.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1513870323780)
Haha, back when small Jewish guys lead the league in scoring.
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Leveon's 4th down run where he somehow managed get a 1st down was such an amazing showing of effort and talent. We haven't had a guy who could do that in a long time.
It's good to know we have a guy who can get a yard when blocks fail, and will keep on fighting no matter what
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Leveon's 4th down run where he somehow managed get a 1st down was such an amazing showing of effort and talent. We haven't had a guy who could do that in a long time.
It's good to know we have a guy who can get a yard when blocks fail, and will keep on fighting no matter what
I absolutely thought he was going to be short. Don’t know how he got that 1st
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Leveon's 4th down run where he somehow managed get a 1st down was such an amazing showing of effort and talent. We haven't had a guy who could do that in a long time.
It's good to know we have a guy who can get a yard when blocks fail, and will keep on fighting no matter what
DON'T LET HIM CARRY IT TOO MANY TIMES!
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DON'T LET HIM CARRY IT TOO MANY TIMES!
I never said don't give him the ball more.
You cried for more touches without understanding context.
He touched the ball on 37% of plays.
He touched the ball on 47% of of runs/completions.
Those are ridiculous usage rates.
Look at the top Runningbacks in the league Week 1
Zeke
He touched the ball on 23% of plays
He touched the ball on 42% of of runs/completions
Saquon
He touched the ball on 23% of plays
He touched the ball on 30% of of runs/completions
Gurley
He touched the ball on 25% of plays
He touched the ball on 27% of of runs/completions
He got plenty of touches
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I never said don't give him the ball more.
You cried for more touches without understanding context. He had over 1/3 of all touches for the game. That usage rate is ridiculous.
No.
I complained he didn't have more carries. When you're up 16 in the middle of the third quarter, at home, against the league's best pass defense, you should be running the ball.
But, as usual, you interpret what I write any way you want in order to make snide remarks.
And just so we're clear I'm not backtracking, this is the original post I made in the game recap thread and your response (bolded part is what you quoted):
I'd add bad playcalling/adjustments and awful cornerbacks to that list but agreed otherwise.
How do you have LeVeon Bell in on every offensive snap, with a 16 point lead in the 3Q, and he only gets 17 carries all day?
I agree with you on Darnold. He had zero time to make throws. But he managed to not cough up the ball, and for all the complaining about not hitting targets, anything he missed with, were passes the defense couldn't pick off. To me, that's huge.
He got the ball on more than 1/3 of our offensive snaps. How much more do you want him to have the ball?
I wasn't the least bit unclear that I thought he should have had more carries which are completely different from number of touches. They should not have run passing plays as often as they did, hence my bad playcalling comment.
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No.
I complained he didn't have more carries. When you're up 16 in the middle of the third quarter, at home, against the league's best pass defense, you should be running the ball.
But, as usual, you interpret what I write any way you want in order to make snide remarks.
And just so we're clear I'm not backtracking, this is the original post I made in the game recap thread and your response (bolded part is what you quoted):
I wasn't the least bit unclear that I thought he should have had more carries which are completely different from number of touches. They should not have run passing plays as often as they did, hence my bad playcalling comment.
I'm sorry I just don't see a difference between a catch and carry. We are getting the ball in the hands of our best player, and we did it at a high rate.
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I'm sorry I just don't see a difference between a catch and carry.
When you're 16 points up and need to chew off time you run the ball so you don't risk stopping the clock on an incomplete pass, is I think Alio's point. More so when you're having such a crap day giving the QB a) time in the pocket and b) open receivers to throw at.
Also, it didn't have to be Bell. Put Montgomery out there and let him run it three yards if you prefer.
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When you're 16 points up and need to chew off time you run the ball so you don't risk stopping the clock on an incomplete pass, is I think Alio's point. More so when you're having such a crap day giving the QB a) time in the pocket and b) open receivers to throw at.
Also, it didn't have to be Bell. Put Montgomery out there and let him run it three yards if you prefer.
We probably could have run the ball more. We were in the middle of the pack in rushing percentage in a game that we were winning the whole time. I just don't view it as a reason why we lost. Maybe it was.
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We probably could have run the ball more. We were in the middle of the pack in rushing percentage in a game that we were winning the whole time. I just don't view it as a reason why we lost. Maybe it was.
It's not why we lost, but it probably would have reduced the chances of it happening.
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When you're 16 points up and need to chew off time you run the ball so you don't risk stopping the clock on an incomplete pass, is I think Alio's point. More so when you're having such a crap day giving the QB a) time in the pocket and b) open receivers to throw at.
Also, it didn't have to be Bell. Put Montgomery out there and let him run it three yards if you prefer.
It's not why we lost, but it probably would have reduced the chances of it happening.
Both of these.
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I never said don't give him the ball more.
You cried for more touches without understanding context.
He touched the ball on 37% of plays.
He touched the ball on 47% of of runs/completions.
Those are ridiculous usage rates.
Look at the top Runningbacks in the league Week 1
Zeke
He touched the ball on 23% of plays
He touched the ball on 42% of of runs/completions
Saquon
He touched the ball on 23% of plays
He touched the ball on 30% of of runs/completions
Gurley
He touched the ball on 25% of plays
He touched the ball on 27% of of runs/completions
He got plenty of touches
Zeke and Gurley are both on snap counts for unusual reasons. Though Bell was supposed to be as well.
Barkley is actually lower than I would've thought, but they were getting majorly blown out so that impacts the gameplan
And Elliot was also on the other side of the blow out , meaning he wasn't needed.
Not really the best useful examples
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Both of these.
Seconded.
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I never said don't give him the ball more.
You cried for more touches without understanding context.
He touched the ball on 37% of plays.
He touched the ball on 47% of of runs/completions.
Those are ridiculous usage rates.
Look at the top Runningbacks in the league Week 1
Zeke
He touched the ball on 23% of plays
He touched the ball on 42% of of runs/completions
Saquon
He touched the ball on 23% of plays
He touched the ball on 30% of of runs/completions
Gurley
He touched the ball on 25% of plays
He touched the ball on 27% of of runs/completions
He got plenty of touches
If we had a functional offense we'd run more plays and Bell's % would probably come down.
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can you freaking imagine if he sits out the whole last year, and fucks his shoulder up in game 1 back?
fuckkkkk
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It's not surprising that a guy who hasn't played an NFL game in 600+ days is banged up after one game. His first real NFL contact in nearly 2 years.
This is another reason why we didn't need to overload him with touchdowns last week.
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Hell, let him sit out too.
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Hell, let him sit out too.
Just play them all like pre-season. The less it matters the better we seem to do.
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MRI showed no damage. Good to go Monday.
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Hopefully we don't ruin Bell into the ground without Darnold
Definitely committee time when games are out of reach
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https://twitter.com/_marcusd3_/status/1173797219423739905?s=21
I feel bad for Bell
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I love Bell. He deserves better. He's never going to make it through the whole season.
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It’s easy to get down, but I don’t let that negativity affect me. I’m BLESSED! I’m healthy, secure, & back doing what I love! Yea, I’m frustrated things haven’t went our way. But I look at life and think, how can I complain? I’m grateful to be in this position & to play this game
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^ My HB
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As if I needed more reasons to like him.
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I was completely wrong on Bell. Love the guys attitude this year
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Via PFF, Le'Veon Bell has forced 20 missed tackles so far. Most in the league and 6 more than any other player
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PFF: Jets RB Le’Veon Bell has gained 117 of his 128 rushing yards AFTER contact. That’s good for third-most in the NFL
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PFF: Jets RB Le’Veon Bell has gained 117 of his 128 rushing yards AFTER contact. That’s good for third-most in the NFL
SO basically he's never making it to the line of scrimmage without having been hit. Another sign of a shitty OL.
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SO basically he's never making it to the line of scrimmage without having been hit. Another sign of a shitty OL.
Also, a good way to ensure he's on IR by week 7.
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https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1174319621207416833?s=21
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https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1174319621207416833?s=21
We're not worthy.
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https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1174319621207416833?s=21
Just imagine what he could do if he had any push from his OL
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& all of the fans, we need you! More than ever, don’t give up on this team..just keep believing we’ll get this ship turned around & sailing in the right direction! We’ll give it our ALL and we’ll be back after the bye..we love you all & we appreciate all your support, it’s NEEDED
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all you haters, enjoy it for now..just don’t go casper when all this gets turned around..we embrace adversity, we embrace the hate, and everyone that wants to see my team fail, or me fail individually, I’ll remember, we’ll remember it ALL, & use it, & wear it as a badge of honor!
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I'm not quite sure how we ended up with Bell instead of Brown.
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We’ll be back after the bye?
Smart considering next week is essentially another preseason game too
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You have to love the attitude, I wish there was more talent on this team. For freak sake I hope Douglas is even halfway competent at drafting players. The roster is among the single worst in the NFL.
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You have to love the attitude, I wish there was more talent on this team. For freak sake I hope Douglas is even halfway competent at drafting players. The roster is among the single worst in the NFL.
Agree
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You have to love the attitude, I wish there was more talent on this team. For freak sake I hope Douglas is even halfway competent at drafting players. The roster is among the single worst in the NFL.
The sad part is that he could be merely mediocre and jets fans would treat him like a god. Seriously, 2 legit contributors in a draft class would be a phenomenal upgrade at this point
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The sad part is that he could be merely mediocre and jets fans would treat him like a god. Seriously, 2 legit contributors in a draft class would be a phenomenal upgrade at this point
It's amazing how few players we have from the drafts that would have guys in their prime right now. You'd think by dumb luck a few guys would have stuck, it's not like we don't pick pretty high most years.
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I'm not quite sure how we ended up with Bell instead of Brown.
It has to be because he grew up a Jets fan and wanted to be "the guy" who turns it all around.
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It has to be because he grew up a Jets fan and wanted to be "the guy" who turns it all around.
Yeah, but if there's an opportunity to sign the wrong guy you don't expect us to pass it up.
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Yeah, but if there's an opportunity to sign the wrong guy you don't expect us to pass it up.
True enough, but the Jets aren't exactly good at getting the guy they throw the most cash at either.
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Yeah, but if there's an opportunity to sign the wrong guy you don't expect us to pass it up.
Brown is still available......
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It has to be because he grew up a Jets fan and wanted to be "the guy" who turns it all around.
By all means let him, I would sign up for that.
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Brown is still available......
This is true, there's so a chance for the Jets to freak something else up.
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This is true, there's so a chance for the Jets to freak something else up.
Obviously you guys are all kidding, but nobody is dealing with the headache of signing him just so he can sit on the Commissioner's exempt list.
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Not so much a breakdown as an ode.
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1176653845268705281
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Not so much a breakdown as an ode.
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1176653845268705281
Guy clearly doesnt care about football
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By all means let him, I would sign up for that.
Same
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Guy clearly doesnt care about football
he’s been so freaking awesome.
I loved Baldys line, if anybody blocked for him it would be ok. Heck he might score if anybody blocked, look at all the guys standing around, 1 block and he might spring it.
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https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1180948825214799873?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jcohen_nfl/status/1183525084071387137?s=21
Bell hanging LVE out to dry
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I know it's not Bells fault, but I'm hoping the dude gets it going in the second half of the season. He's on pace for what will be by far the worst season of his career. But if Darnold plays like he did yesterday and we get Herndon going. Teams will have to create some rushing opportunities for us
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I know it's not Bells fault, but I'm hoping the dude gets it going in the second half of the season. He's on pace for what will be by far the worst season of his career. But if Darnold plays like he did yesterday and we get Herndon going. Teams will have to create some rushing opportunities for us
Your first sentence was right but at some point Bell will need to have that big game or he will start to be criticized. I think he has played very well so far but he will need to produce on the stat sheet at some point.
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My RB
https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell/status/1189309925895393282?s=20 (https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell/status/1189309925895393282?s=20)
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Imagine wanting to trade him, couldn’t be me
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FYI, Bell ranks 8th in the NFL in touches per game and hes had 52% of our rushes/receptions, 3rd-most in the NFL.
And that's despite the Jets being blown out in the majority of our games.
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FYI, Bell ranks 8th in the NFL in touches per game and hes had 52% of our rushes/receptions, 3rd-most in the NFL.
And that's despite the Jets being blown out in the majority of our games.
I think that's more a factor of the ascendancy of RBBC
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I think that's more a factor of the ascendancy of RBBC
No doubt, but Bell is still getting a ton of touches here, particularly considering how often we've been trailing. I disagree with the narrative he isn't touching the ball enough. Maybe you can argue that against Jacksonville, but that's it.
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Let's make Bell President freak Adams.
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Let's make Bell President freak Adams.
President Lachlan
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Le’Veon Bell said he was upset with his lack of touches Sunday. He and Adam Gase talked and they are good. Bell handled it with maturity. He said he did not talk to media Sunday to avoid saying something he would regret when he was upset.
3:14 PM · Oct 31, 2019·
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Bell also said he understood the team having trade discussions about him and appreciated Joe Douglas calling him Tuesday.
3:14 PM · Oct 31, 2019
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Bell says he understands Jamal Adams being upset. Said he would have reacted that way when he was 24. But he understands the business of football.
3:16 PM · Oct 31, 2019
The more I see and hear Bell the more I think we need him here right now.
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The more I see and hear Bell the more I think we need him here right now.
Hopefully he can get through to Jamal about the business side of things.
At least until Jamal decides to sit out a season because he wants to make more money (but hopefully that's a few years down the road).
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The more I see and hear Bell the more I think we need him here right now.
Hopefully he wants to come back here for a reasonable price when we cut him in 15 - 16 months
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Hopefully he wants to come back here for a reasonable price when we cut him in 15 - 16 months
Are you an accountant?
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Are you an accountant?
The only drawback to bell on the team is his salary. We save 12 million if we cut him then. It's essentially written in stone he's gone then. But he's a good leader and great guy. Just too damn expensive Darrelle Adams needs to keep his Uncle Clark proud and buy him a boat
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(https://external-preview.redd.it/5HFxZrvQCNdmz7FVkcI_viSmkKYh2WQPpUKReelJdos.jpg?auto=webp&s=f3c0e490169a5d8cc4efce33f364e7daeeef496d)
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The only drawback to bell on the team is his salary. We save 12 million if we cut him then. It's essentially written in stone he's gone then. But he's a good leader and great guy. Just too damn expensive Darrelle Adams needs to keep his Uncle Clark proud and buy him a boat
You know they would just waste the $12 million anyway. We need Bell, this is the kind of player cap space is freed up for. If we're keeping Darnold, we need Bell to be here through this.
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Bell had an MRI today. Still waiting on the results.
Fanfuckingtastic.
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He's done for the year. No reason to bring him back.
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He's done for the year. No reason to bring him back.
If I was Douglas, I would just IR every player that I want to keep for next year.
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If I was Douglas, I would just IR every player that I want to keep for next year.
Let Brian Winters play offense by himself.
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Let Brian Winters play offense by himself.
Works for me
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https://mobile.twitter.com/LeVeonBell/status/1197180240742797313
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I don't really blame him for being upset. He's been tested one less than the allowable times for the year. I wonder how often ageless wonderboy Brady gets tested every year.
Going in front of the media to throw a tirade probably isn't going to help him avoid another "random" name call though.
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I absolutely hate giving blood so I sympathize.
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That seems excessive.
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Cimini tweeted earlier of the possibility the Jets cutting bait with Bell in the offseason.
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Cimini tweeted earlier of the possibility the Jets cutting bait with Bell in the offseason.
Why keep him? He's generally not being used, and when he is, he's used completely wrong.
Maybe Gase is doing it on purpose to "prove" he never needed him, since he didn't want him in the first place. I'm sorry, I shouldn't just assume Gase is a petty bitch who would screw over the team because of his own opinions.
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Cimini tweeted earlier of the possibility the Jets cutting bait with Bell in the offseason.
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How is this possible
Bells basically guaranteed a truckload of cash.
He's essentially not cutable or tradeable
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How is this possible
Bells basically guaranteed a truckload of cash.
He's essentially not cutable or tradeable
are you new to the New York Jets?
Everything is on the table....whether it's stupid or not.
Our ownership is incapable of making smart decisions.
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are you new to the New York Jets?
Everything is on the table....whether it's stupid or not.
Our ownership is incapable of making smart decisions.
Unless we're going to trade Bell as a cash dump (ie bell and a 5th for a 7th)
I highly doubt teams will be lining up to trade for him
I don't believe this at all
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Unless we're going to trade Bell as a cash dump (ie bell and a 5th for a 7th)
I highly doubt teams will be lining up to trade for him
I don't believe this at all
Joe Douglas was given full autonomy on this roster. During the trade deadline it came out that the only 2 untouchables are Darnold and Q.
I think the offseason is going to be an interesting one.
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There was interest in Bell at the trade deadline. Someone will be willing to take him. The only question is the return compensation, which is why they didn't trade him last month. I'd assume, given his lack of use, the Jets asking price will be lower in the offseason since they'll be actively shopping him, rather than just fielding calls.
This organization can't figure out how to use future hall of fame players. So awesome.
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There was interest in Bell at the trade deadline. Someone will be willing to take him. The only question is the return compensation, which is why they didn't trade him last month. I'd assume, given his lack of use, the Jets asking price will be lower in the offseason since they'll be actively shopping him, rather than just fielding calls.
This organization can't figure out how to use future hall of fame players. So awesome.
Bell at the trading deadline would have been effectively 2 years of Bell for around 15 million total and people probably assumed that Falk was a big part of why he was so ineffective on top of him being a little rusty.
Trading for Bell now would be effectively one year 13.5 million on top of seeing how ineffective he is even when the Jets offense is clicking.
Bells trade value has collapsed immensely since the trade deadline. I think trading Bell for a swap of middle round picks (ie bell and a 5th for a 5th) is best case scenario. And even that is something I'd find unlikely
Why would anyone trade assets and pay almost 14 million for a running back who has shown absolutely ZERO in the running game. He's a highly effective blocker and a very good receiving back. But I would take someone like Bilal as a 1 year rental for effectively the vet minimum instead of trading assets and laying Bell an insane amount of cash for also a 1 year rental (because of his contract Bell is a one year rental)
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https://nypost.com/2019/12/09/leveon-bell-went-bowling-all-night-after-jets-ruled-him-out-with-flu/
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He was trying to be a pro bowler
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I thought he didn't freaking roll on Saturdays.
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today's twitter conspiracy theory has Gase trying to run Bell out of town.
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today's twitter conspiracy theory has Gase trying to run Bell out of town.
Is it a conspiracy theory, if it's actually true?
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Is it a conspiracy theory, if it's actually true?
who knows with this franchise.
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If they were trying to run Bell out of town they'd be working on improving his trade value because the dudes got a huge chunk of guaranteed cash next year
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If they were trying to run Bell out of town they'd be working on improving his trade value because the dudes got a huge chunk of guaranteed cash next year
or maybe...Gase doesn't care about that.
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or maybe...Gase doesn't care about that.
So he wants to keep Bell then?
I don't get it
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So he wants to keep Bell then?
I don't get it
no, he probably doesn't give a excrement about the financial ramifications.
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Gase Derangement Syndrome
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Gase Derangement Syndrome
Little bit. I find it hard to believe this guy has enough time on his hands to come up with some elaborate scheme to get rid of Bell. He's probably busy trying to keep his job.
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no, he probably doesn't give a excrement about the financial ramifications.
Fine but why would he intentionally make the Jets more likely to eat the cost?
If you wanna get rid of the dude. It makes more sense to trade them than cut them
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Little bit. I find it hard to believe this guy has enough time on his hands to come up with some elaborate scheme to get rid of Bell. He's probably busy trying to keep his job.
I find it easy to believe that Bell doesn't fit with the plays he's drawn up, so he'd rather replace a ridiculous talent than actually do something to change his scheme.
He is not head coach material. That isn't "Gase Derangement Syndrome", which is lazy shorthand for "I'd rather argue by dismissing those who don't share my blind faith than try to justify it". The fact is, no one defending Gase has made an argument for why he might be good, they're coming up with reasons for why it's not his fault he's bad and they're keeping their fingers crossed that everything will magically just change when we replace Brian Winters.
I'm basing my opinion on what I watch every Sunday, and what he did in the three seasons prior to this one. I prefer facts and evidence to blind faith and desperate hope.
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The guy comes up with an elaborate scheme to replace Maccagnan with "his guy." He's alienated players he didn't like in the past. He never wanted Bell in the first place, and was vocal about it. Against the worst run defense in the league he refused to give Bell the ball. The next week, with Bell in street clothes, he ran the ball repeatedly.
But we're going to trust he's too occupied otherwise to dick over Bell until he demands to be shipped out?
Forget smoke, where there's fire, there's fire.
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I find it easy to believe that Bell doesn't fit with the plays he's drawn up, so he'd rather replace a ridiculous talent than actually do something to change his scheme.
He is not head coach material. That isn't "Gase Derangement Syndrome", which is lazy shorthand for "I'd rather argue by dismissing those who don't share my blind faith than try to justify it". The fact is, no one defending Gase has made an argument for why he might be good, they're coming up with reasons for why it's not his fault he's bad and they're keeping their fingers crossed that everything will magically just change when we replace Brian Winters.
I'm basing my opinion on what I watch every Sunday, and what he did in the three seasons prior to this one. I prefer facts and evidence to blind faith and desperate hope.
I'm not defending Gase regarding the performance of the team. I just don't think he's actively trying to release things to the media to make Bell look bad.
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I'm not defending Gase regarding the performance of the team. I just don't think he's actively trying to release things to the media to make Bell look bad.
Why, because he has no form for creating locker room dissent and undermining players he doesn't like?
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The guy comes up with an elaborate scheme to replace Maccagnan with "his guy." He's alienated players he didn't like in the past. He never wanted Bell in the first place, and was vocal about it. Against the worst run defense in the league he refused to give Bell the ball. The next week, with Bell in street clothes, he ran the ball repeatedly.
But we're going to trust he's too occupied otherwise to dick over Bell until he demands to be shipped out?
Forget smoke, where there's fire, there's fire.
You really think Gase is purposefully altering the game plan just to dick over a player, depite the fact that it could make the team play worse? I mean, I know coaches can be petty, but that sounds more like a CBS drama than real life.
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You really think Gase is purposefully altering the game plan just to dick over a player, depite the fact that it could make the team play worse? I mean, I know coaches can be petty, but that sounds more like a CBS drama than real life.
Yes.
Against the league's worst run defense he ran the ball 19 times. Exactly zero of those times was to the outside, where they were weakest.
In the following game, he ran it 32 times, with just Bilal Powell and Ty Montgomery and a generational talent on the bench.
Even if we ignore all his history at his previous job and the stories that have come out just since he's been here, and we say "Nah, he's not being vindictive" then he's still just an inept playcaller. But I still think he's a petty jerk who wants everything his way. He needs to be fired immediately.
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Yes.
Against the league's worst run defense he ran the ball 19 times. Exactly zero of those times was to the outside, where they were weakest.
In the following game, he ran it 32 times, with just Bilal Powell and Ty Montgomery and a generational talent on the bench.
Even if we ignore all his history at his previous job and the stories that have come out just since he's been here, and we say "Nah, he's not being vindictive" then he's still just an inept playcaller. But I still think he's a petty jerk who wants everything his way. He needs to be fired immediately.
Why would he purposefully put out a bad game plan that would make his team worse? You don't keep your job by losing.
I'm not going to argue whether he sucks as a coach. He probably does.
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I find it easy to believe that Bell doesn't fit with the plays he's drawn up, so he'd rather replace a ridiculous talent than actually do something to change his scheme.
He is not head coach material. That isn't "Gase Derangement Syndrome", which is lazy shorthand for "I'd rather argue by dismissing those who don't share my blind faith than try to justify it". The fact is, no one defending Gase has made an argument for why he might be good, they're coming up with reasons for why it's not his fault he's bad and they're keeping their fingers crossed that everything will magically just change when we replace Brian Winters.
I'm basing my opinion on what I watch every Sunday, and what he did in the three seasons prior to this one. I prefer facts and evidence to blind faith and desperate hope.
solid post
Italian Seafood should read it a few more times so it'll sink in a little better.
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Why would he purposefully put out a bad game plan that would make his team worse? You don't keep your job by losing.
Oh you didn't know? Gase isn't going anywhere.
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Keep whining and hit me up when he's gone. Don't hold your breath.
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Keep whining and hit me up when he's gone. Don't hold your breath.
enjoy the blowouts
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I still find it lunacy that people are trying to make the argument that Gase hates Bell so he's intentionally making it more likely that Bells on the team next year
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I still find it lunacy that people are trying to make the argument that Gase hates Bell so he's intentionally making it more likely that Bells on the team next year
It is lunacy. Criticize the coaching, but when you're concocting theories that he's plotting to undermine one of his best players the night before a game you've lost your mind.
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I find it easy to believe that Bell doesn't fit with the plays he's drawn up, so he'd rather replace a ridiculous talent than actually do something to change his scheme.
He is not head coach material. That isn't "Gase Derangement Syndrome", which is lazy shorthand for "I'd rather argue by dismissing those who don't share my blind faith than try to justify it". The fact is, no one defending Gase has made an argument for why he might be good, they're coming up with reasons for why it's not his fault he's bad and they're keeping their fingers crossed that everything will magically just change when we replace Brian Winters.
I'm basing my opinion on what I watch every Sunday, and what he did in the three seasons prior to this one. I prefer facts and evidence to blind faith and desperate hope.
Saying 5-8 isn't enough to judge the guy is now "blind faith", ok. GDS.
PS--I could give a excrement what happened in Miami, ever.
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Saying 5-8 isn't enough to judge the guy is now "blind faith", ok. GDS.
PS--I could give a excrement what happened in Miami, ever.
The cognitive dissonance in this short post is a thing of beauty.
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Why would he purposefully put out a bad game plan that would make his team worse? You don't keep your job by losing.
I'm not going to argue whether he sucks as a coach. He probably does.
It's a lot easier to produce a garbage gameplan when you've been assured your job is safe by a guy you've already convinced to fire a GM and hire his friend.
It takes more work to ignore the guy's history than it does to give him benefit of the doubt.
h/t to SFD for posting this in the Curious Case thread:
On the Bell situation:
-Gase didn’t want him, made sure to tell everyone this
-Has not geared his scheme to Bell’s running style or gotten very creative w/ him in pass game
-Very specific leak to NY Post, which the team has done all year
Coach trying to prove a point to owner
Bell got 10 carries against the worst run defense in the NFL
The next week he’s out with an illness, Bilal Powell gets 19 carries and Ty Montgomery gets 9
All of this after countless reports of the team trying to move him at the deadline and planning to in the offseason
Whichever side you stand on with this Bell situation, what should scare you as a #Jets fan is Gase’s personnel demands + evals
If Miami wasn’t enough for you to see that, it’s very evident in less than a year in New York so far
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Saying 5-8 isn't enough to judge the guy is now "blind faith", ok. GDS.
PS--I could give a excrement what happened in Miami, ever.
lol
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It's a lot easier to produce a garbage gameplan when you've been assured your job is safe by a guy you've already convinced to fire a GM and hire his friend.
It takes more work to ignore the guy's history than it does to give him benefit of the doubt.
h/t to SFD for posting this in the Curious Case thread:
Miami has the worst run defense in the league. Of course we ran more....
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Miami has the worst run defense in the league. Of course we ran more....
Cinci had the worst run defense when we played them. Why didn't we run more then?
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The cognitive dissonance in this short post is a thing of beauty.
That should be Seafoods new name, cognitive dissonance.
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Cinci had the worst run defense when we played them. Why didn't we run more then?
Because cincy was only the 2nd worst run d
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Speaking Tuesday, Le'Veon Bell said he believes he still isn't receiving enough touches.
Bell said he can be "the Bell of old if gets the ball more."
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Simple answer is, he isn't.
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i feel like the OL being a huge issue has been used to give gase much more leeway than it has bell regarding his production this year
if it's to be applied to one it should be applied to both. i don't have the exact posts but i feel like i've seen people give gase a pass because of the OL but then talk about how they'd be cool with letting go of bell, pointing to his stats this year and stating that RBs are a replaceable position
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i feel like the OL being a huge issue has been used to give gase much more leeway than it has bell regarding his production this year
if it's to be applied to one it should be applied to both. i don't have the exact posts but i feel like i've seen people give gase a pass because of the OL but then talk about how they'd be cool with letting go of bell, pointing to his stats this year and stating that RBs are a replaceable position
The OL is the biggest reason why Bell hasnt produced. But maybe a different RB would run better this year. Bell hasnt averaged MORE than 4.0 yrs per carry since 2016.
Bell would be a lot better with a better OL. Nobody argues otherwise.
I also think if we can get any value for Bell, I am not opposed to it. Running backs are replaceable. Powell ran better last week than Bell did in any game this season. I'm not saying Powell is better but I dont think the difference is all that stark.
There is also the matter of Bell sitting out last year. It made him fresher but did it make him better? I dont know. David Johnson missed a year with a wrist injury and hasnt been the same since.
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i feel like the OL being a huge issue has been used to give gase much more leeway than it has bell regarding his production this year
if it's to be applied to one it should be applied to both. i don't have the exact posts but i feel like i've seen people give gase a pass because of the OL but then talk about how they'd be cool with letting go of bell, pointing to his stats this year and stating that RBs are a replaceable position
I called him a Ferrari.
If its between firing this entire offensive line into the sun and keeping Bell, or bringing in another halfback and trying with this line I think we'd all go with the first scenario.
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I still think we should keep Bell, don't care if he went bowling.
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i feel like the OL being a huge issue has been used to give gase much more leeway than it has bell regarding his production this year
if it's to be applied to one it should be applied to both. i don't have the exact posts but i feel like i've seen people give gase a pass because of the OL but then talk about how they'd be cool with letting go of bell, pointing to his stats this year and stating that RBs are a replaceable position
You have to factor in expectations. Bell is paid like not only a top 2 running back, but an elite game changing offensive player.
Yeah the OL has absolutely been a factor in Bell looking like a bag of dicks. But it doesn't change the fact that Bell is one of the biggest free agent busts of this franchise in years.
His contract isn't nearly as bad as Trumaine Johnsons, but this is a guy who was paid to be one of the best most transformative offensive players in the league, yet is one of the worst starting runningbacks in the league.
Both him and Gase have been given the same amount of time, and if this team was lucky both would be one and done.
Unfortunately Chris Johnson wants to jerk himself off to Gase for another season, but hopefully we can con another team into paying Bell elite money to get them a solid 3.2 YPC
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You have to factor in expectations. Bell is paid like not only a top 2 running back, but an elite game changing offensive player.
Yeah the OL has absolutely been a factor in Bell looking like a bag of dicks. But it doesn't change the fact that Bell is one of the biggest free agent busts of this franchise in years.
His contract isn't nearly as bad as Trumaine Johnsons, but this is a guy who was paid to be one of the best most transformative offensive players in the league, yet is one of the worst starting runningbacks in the league.
Both him and Gase have been given the same amount of time, and if this team was lucky both would be one and done.
Unfortunately Chris Johnson wants to jerk himself off to Gase for another season, but hopefully we can con another team into paying Bell elite money to get them a solid 3.2 YPC
He's going to get paid like a top two RB no matter if he's on the roster or not. What do you think they're realistically getting for him?
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He's going to get paid like a top two RB no matter if he's on the roster or not. What do you think they're realistically getting for him?
Best case scenario is is we get a 5th or 6th for Bell, us eating about 5 million dollars of next years salary, and possibly giving up a 6th or 7th as well.
I don't think cutting him is a possibility. But we can certainly slow down the bleeding
I'd be absolutely ecstatic to get a 5th for Bell, 5 million dollars and a 7th round pick
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Best case scenario is is we get a 5th or 6th for Bell, us eating about 5 million dollars of next years salary, and possibly giving up a 6th or 7th as well.
I don't think cutting him is a possibility. But we can certainly slow down the bleeding
I'd be absolutely ecstatic to get a 5th for Bell, 5 million dollars and a 7th round pick
I wouldn't be ecstatic for that haul. I still think Bell is a good player. But I also wouldn't be upset if that were the case. P
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They whole point of getting Bell was to obtain a weapon for Sam that would aid his development. Nothing has changed for next year. Hopefully the coach and the GM put together a scheme and an OL that are NFL worthy for next season.
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They whole point of getting Bell was to obtain a weapon for Sam that would aid his development. Nothing has changed for next year. Hopefully the coach and the GM put together a scheme and an OL that are NFL worthy for next season.
He's dead last in YPC and runs of 10+ yards
Bell isn't that weapon
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He's dead last in YPC and runs of 10+ yards
Bell isn't that weapon
Reasons why Le’Veon Bell isn’t producing this season, in my opinion, in order:
1) Offensive Line
2) Adam Gase
3) Overall state of the offensive unit as a whole
4) Le’Veon Bell
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Reasons why Le’Veon Bell isn’t producing this season, in my opinion, in order:
1) Offensive Line
2) Adam Gase
3) Overall state of the offensive unit as a whole
4) Le’Veon Bell
Why can Sam compensate for the OL and Bell can't?
He's not below average, he's statistically the worst
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Bell has been used 22 times as a slot receiver this season. He ran 77 plays from the slot during his last season in Pitt. So much for all that noise in the off-season that Gase would tailor his offense to Bell’s wishes/strengths.
Gase, offensive genius
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Why can Sam compensate for the OL and Bell can't?
He's not below average, he's statistically the worst
Sam can throw the ball away when he's about to get murdered. Bell has to run through the murder.
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Why can Sam compensate for the OL and Bell can't?
He's not below average, he's statistically the worst
Le'Veon Bell's production has disappointed this season, but these metrics show how inept the Jets run blocking has been:
* 29th in FootballOutsiders adjusted line yards
* 30th in PFF run block grades
* 31st in yards before contact
I question that you’ve watched the games this year if you think the OL hasn’t affected Sam’s play.
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I question that you’ve watched the games this year if you think the OL hasn’t affected Sam’s play.
I didn't say it hasn't influenced him. But Sam has had a fair amount of success. Bell had been among the worst
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In the 2020 season, this team will have Adam Gase, and will have traded Le'Veon Bell (and probably Jamal Adams too).
This franchise will remain garbage.
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In the 2020 season, this team will have Adam Gase, and will have traded Le'Veon Bell (and probably Jamal Adams too).
This franchise will remain garbage.
Can't wait to blame the oline or Luke Falk if any of that excrement happens.
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They whole point of getting Bell was to obtain a weapon for Sam that would aid his development. Nothing has changed for next year. Hopefully the coach and the GM put together a scheme and an OL that are NFL worthy for next season.
Sam can throw the ball away when he's about to get murdered. Bell has to run through the murder.
This and this. Keep Bell, get a few people who can block.
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In the 2020 season, this team will have Adam Gase, and will have traded Le'Veon Bell (and probably Jamal Adams too).
This franchise will remain garbage.
Adams is a different topic but who cares if we trade Bell? What has Bell done to even be in the same sentence as Jamal as Jets?
Bell's numbers are dragged by the OL, even more than Sam's are. But how do we know he is still the guy from 2016? He wasnt efficient in 2017, he didn't play last season and he has not produced this season.
Kind of like with Gase, I can take or leave Bell, and I think both would look significantly better with some OL reinforcements.
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Adams is a different topic but who cares if we trade Bell? What has Bell done to even be in the same sentence as Jamal as Jets?
Bell's numbers are dragged by the OL, even more than Sam's are. But how do we know he is still the guy from 2016? He wasnt efficient in 2017, he didn't play last season and he has not produced this season.
Kind of like with Gase, I can take or leave Bell, and I think both would look significantly better with some OL reinforcements.
For me, one is causing the problems for the other. I don't think you'd need more than one guess to figure out which fall into each slot for me.
Bell has flashed a couple of times, especially early in the year before the beatings he's taken and the lack of carries grew to a laughable percentage of plays.
But my comments really were about swinging back around to one of my big problems with Adam Gase: alienating players. Add in now a growing concern that the guy is an awful judge of talent.
By the time this organization figures out that Gase is doing permanent harm, we'll already be down at least a generational talent at both RB and S. But let's all give him a chance, amirite?
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Why can Sam compensate for the OL and Bell can't?
He's not below average, he's statistically the worst
Because QB and RB are different positions.
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Because QB and RB are different positions.
Let me rephrase the question
Is our OL bad enough to justify the second highest paid runningback in the NFL being statistically the worst runningback in the league?
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Let me rephrase the question
Is our OL bad enough to justify the second highest paid runningback in the NFL being statistically the worst runningback in the league?
Possibly.
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Let me rephrase the question
Is our OL bad enough to justify the second highest paid runningback in the NFL being statistically the worst runningback in the league?
If you don't block a play in the NFL it's not going anywhere. As bo mentioned, Darnold has the option of getting rid of the ball and playing another down.
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Because QB and RB are different positions.
Next you’re gonna tell me pass blocking and run blocking are different
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i can't see how anybody can be surprised or disappointed in leveon's production this year when you look at our OL issues.
we/the league has known what lev's running style has been since the beginning of his career. i am not going to act like i am some NFL genius or nostradamus, but even I was making posts LAST YEAR that i'd be cool with signing bell, but if our OL was as bad as it was last year (it's actually been levels upon levels worse this year), he wouldn't be able to do excrement with his patient running style.
why are we acting surprised that this is occurring? when he's behind a good/competent line, he's shown that he is a generational RB talent that is an amazing tool for an offense and for his QB. the same cannot be said for any of the RBs on our roster even if they were given a great line. in general i understand there is an impermanence regarding the RB position in the league, but i don't think you can argue that leveon is one of those replaceable-type RBs.
we need to fix the line, we need to keep leveon, for sam's sake. we are not going to get an amazing haul for a player like bell as it stands now. i'm sure if we bolster up the line and throw RB-types out there like powell/montgomery/goodson/ivory/rawls/mcguire/crowell etc etc etc, we'll have a passable/serviceable running game; if we fix the line i'm sure of it. however, i also know that if the above was our situation next year, we'd all be wondering 'how much more great/awesome would sam and our offense be if we had a talent the level of saquon/zeke/gurley/cook/chubb/kamara etc etc out there running for sam?', and we'd all be wishing we kept leveon bell.
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Next you’re gonna tell me pass blocking and run blocking are different
And that gords can only be found after round 4
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And that gords can only be found after round 4
We were here making jokes and Duff was busy not taking any guards ever. Owned
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We were here making jokes and Duff was busy not taking any guards ever. Owned
"What's a...guard?"
-Overheard in the Dunkin Donuts line near Florham Park
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Anyone know a good source for updated Yards After Contact numbers?
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This is from 10/29:
PFF running back elusive rating (formula that factors in missed tackles forced and yards after contact per attempt):
1. Josh Jacobs, Raiders
2. Alvin Kamara, Saints
3. Chris Carson, Seahawks
4. Nick Chubb, Browns
5. Le’Veon Bell, Jets
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Anyone know a good source for updated Yards After Contact numbers?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/rushing_advanced.htm (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/rushing_advanced.htm)
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There are 3 quarterbacks who have more yards before first contact than Le'Veon Bell. And Josh Allen is only a couple of spots behind him.
That he gets any yardage at all is a feat in itself--nevermind that he's 15th in total yards after contact. But let's dump him for a day 3 pick and an orange lot parking pass.
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There are 3 quarterbacks who have more yards before first contact than Le'Veon Bell. And Josh Allen is only a couple of spots behind him.
That he gets any yardage at all is a feat in itself--nevermind that he's 15th in total yards after contact. But let's dump him for a day 3 pick and an orange lot parking pass.
As an intelligent person we can replace his 15 million dollar annual contract with a rookie and use that money on a pass rusher. No ones arguing he’s not talented he just is a waste of money on this roster
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Alternatively we can spend that contract money on two good offensive lineman instead or do what we’ve been doing and have our running backs run into a brick wall every play instead
I’m tired of these thank you for your service contracts where we handsomely reward players on the back 9 of their careers
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As an intelligent person we can replace his 15 million dollar annual contract with a rookie and use that money on a pass rusher. No ones arguing he’s not talented he just is a waste of money on this roster
We're going to have $60MM+ (~$65MM I think was the number) to spend next season. That's after Bell's contract is paid for the year.
If we were looking at $20-30MM in space, I could understand the need to "trim some fat" but they have money to spend even keeping him. Sam Darnold's life will be a lot easier next year if the line upgrades at one or both guard spots, plus a tackle. Give him back Anderson, Bell, Crowder, Herndon, and Griffin and I think we finally see a professional offense on the field.
I understand the desire to not "overpay" an "old" running back. But Bell's turning 28, and one of those years has zero tread wear on the tires. I posted elsewhere, but he's middle-of-the-pack in yards after contact, and way down the list at yards before it. Give him a little space to get a running start, and he's the gameplanning nightmare for opposing DCs we need him to be.
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We're going to have $60MM+ (~$65MM I think was the number) to spend next season. That's after Bell's contract is paid for the year.
If we were looking at $20-30MM in space, I could understand the need to "trim some fat" but they have money to spend even keeping him. Sam Darnold's life will be a lot easier next year if the line upgrades at one or both guard spots, plus a tackle. Give him back Anderson, Bell, Crowder, Herndon, and Griffin and I think we finally see a professional offense on the field.
I understand the desire to not "overpay" an "old" running back. But Bell's turning 28, and one of those years has zero tread wear on the tires. I posted elsewhere, but he's middle-of-the-pack in yards after contact, and way down the list at yards before it. Give him a little space to get a running start, and he's the gameplanning nightmare for opposing DCs we need him to be.
I would add firing Brian Winters into the sun will net an additional $7.5 million pushing that number over $70 million. Not that the talent will be available, but that’s enough to sign 5 new starters on the OL (2 top players 2 starter and 1 meh guy), resign Jordan Jenkins, Robby Anderson and a moderate starter at CB. That assumes we make no other cost savings moves, and don’t draft any reasonable talent.
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That he gets any yardage at all is a feat in itself--nevermind that he's 15th in total yards after contact. But let's dump him for a day 3 pick and an orange lot parking pass.
Our offensive line is horrible, especially the right side of it, but Le'Veon Bell misses A LOT of holes on his own.
His running style mixed with very bad blocking is a recipe for disaster.
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As an intelligent person we can replace his 15 million dollar annual contract with a rookie and use that money on a pass rusher. No ones arguing he’s not talented he just is a waste of money on this roster
I’m pretty sure we don’t just get back $15M on the cap next year if we trade him.
Like I said before, I would rather use our draft picks to fill actual holes on our roster.
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Our offensive line is horrible, especially the right side of it, but Le'Veon Bell misses A LOT of holes on his own.
His running style mixed with very bad blocking is a recipe for disaster.
That's fair. There's no question he's not finding success in the current situation.
But I want them to greatly improve the blocking, both in the ground game and the air. If they do, a guy like Bell becomes a deadly weapon in both.
I just don't see a good reason to not keep him. It will cost money to trade him, and they already have money to spend. At least give it till the trade deadline to see if he can be effective.
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Yes the OL was a significant factor in Bell being the least effective starting back in the league. Not sure how you expect us to radically change that. Bells a poor scheme fit and the OL thing isn't changing THAT much.
Regardless we're not keeping Bell for 2 more years. So if we can unload him for anything reasonable do it. A 4th and 8 or 9 million in cap savings would be phenomenal. A 5th and 7 million in savings could still be solid.
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Yes the OL was a significant factor in Bell being the least effective starting back in the league. Not sure how you expect us to radically change that. Bells a poor scheme fit and the OL thing isn't changing THAT much.
Regardless we're not keeping Bell for 2 more years. So if we can unload him for anything reasonable do it. A 4th and 8 or 9 million in cap savings would be phenomenal. A 5th and 7 million in savings could still be solid.
DCM cap savings mode engaged
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DCM cap savings mode engaged
Dudes the least effective, top 2 paid running back in the NFL and delusional fuckers are trying to make the arguments that we should keep him
Maybe you guys should be arguing that next year could've been Leonard Williams big breakout and we should've kept him too!
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"Delusional fuckers"
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If you look back trumaine Johnson was awesome in 2016. He just had a better supporting cast around him. If we go out and sign someone like Aaron Donald and have a top 1 pass rush next year, Trumaine can easily be a very good corner. It makes absolutely no sense to get rid of a guy with that kind of potential
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Dudes the least effective, top 2 paid running back in the NFL and delusional fuckers are trying to make the arguments that we should keep him
Maybe you guys should be arguing that next year could've been Leonard Williams big breakout and we should've kept him too!
Yeah except Le'Veon has already had his big breakout - seeing as he's a 3-time All-Pro, and Leonard Williams has 17 career sacks in 5 seasons. But besides that they're basically the same
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Yeah except Le'Veon has already had his big breakout - seeing as he's a 3-time All-Pro, and Leonard Williams has 17 career sacks in 5 seasons. But besides that they're basically the same
All we have to do is upgrade the OL and Bell will be tearing it up like he did in 16
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Dudes the least effective, top 2 paid running back in the NFL
This is funny
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Yeah except Le'Veon has already had his big breakout - seeing as he's a 3-time All-Pro, and Leonard Williams has 17 career sacks in 5 seasons. But besides that they're basically the same
Thanks for saving me from having to type all that.
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I don't care that Le'Veon is a 3-time All-Pro. That's in the past.
Bell was a Pro Bowler in 2014. Here are the other RBs on that team:
- Darren Sproles
- DeMarco Murray
- Marshawn Lynch
- CJ Anderson
- Jamaal Charles
- Justin Forsett
- Arian Foster
- Mark Ingram
- LeSean McCoy
- Alfred Morris
Outside of Ingram, everyone on that list was either recently cut or retired. When you're a running back, life comes at you fast.
Bell is hurt significantly by the offensive line, but just because Bell was productive a couple years ago doesn't mean he will be productive in 2020. He certainly wasn't productive in 2019. I think most RBs are heavily dependent on their OL - just look at Thomas Jones' Jets career as the perfect example, but there is no way Bell is worth that much money.
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What he is worth is irrelevant since he’s under contract. The question is basically this,
Is getting rid of him to open up $8 million of space (and a huge hole at RB) for a 5th round pick worth it?
To me the answer is no. We aren’t getting a plus starter for that money and that draft pick isn’t worth what he has meant to the team as a leader this year and would continue to be next year.
If the argument is did we overpay? Abso-freaking-lutely. But we already did it and we can’t take it back
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What he is worth is irrelevant since he’s under contract. The question is basically this,
Is getting rid of him to open up $8 million of space (and a huge hole at RB) for a 5th round pick worth it?
To me the answer is no. We aren’t getting a plus starter for that money and that draft pick isn’t worth what he has meant to the team as a leader this year and would continue to be next year.
If the argument is did we overpay? Abso-freaking-lutely. But we already did it and we can’t take it back
This is the key point. There's a much better chance we get more bang for our buck by keeping him and fixing up the line. A mid/low round pick and some cap space isn't that big of a deal, we would still be lucky to replace him with whatever we got back.
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I don't care that Le'Veon is a 3-time All-Pro. That's in the past.
Bell was a Pro Bowler in 2014. Here are the other RBs on that team:
- Darren Sproles
- DeMarco Murray
- Marshawn Lynch
- CJ Anderson
- Jamaal Charles
- Justin Forsett
- Arian Foster
- Mark Ingram
- LeSean McCoy
- Alfred Morris
Outside of Ingram, everyone on that list was either recently cut or retired. When you're a running back, life comes at you fast.
Bell is hurt significantly by the offensive line, but just because Bell was productive a couple years ago doesn't mean he will be productive in 2020. He certainly wasn't productive in 2019. I think most RBs are heavily dependent on their OL - just look at Thomas Jones' Jets career as the perfect example, but there is no way Bell is worth that much money.
That's a really, really unfair comparison. Most of those guys are a good piece older than Bell and/or have had serious injuries. The only player on that list of a comparable age is CJ Anderson, who I like because he's a great story but he was always a JAG playing in a friendly system; the only ones of comparable talent are McCoy and Foster, and they were both worthy of being paid like the top players at their position at 28 years old.
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That's a really, really unfair comparison. Most of those guys are a good piece older than Bell and/or have had serious injuries. The only player on that list of a comparable age is CJ Anderson, who I like because he's a great story but he was always a JAG playing in a friendly system; the only ones of comparable talent are McCoy and Foster, and they were both worthy of being paid like the top players at their position at 28 years old.
I admit it isn't necessarily fair, but my point was that things change very quickly at running back (and quite frankly, I was pretty amazed that virtually everyone else on that list was done). Just because a RB used to be good doesn't mean he will be good next year. Bell will be 28 next year, and he will be 3 years removed from his last good season.
Is getting rid of him to open up $8 million of space (and a huge hole at RB) for a 5th round pick worth it?
I thought the number we would save is lower than $8M, but if we would save $8M by moving Bell AND get a draft pick, I would cut him in a second. I thought it was less than that though.
I also don't think it would create a huge hole at RB. How much worse are we really going to get at RB in terms of production? If the offensive line is good, a combination of Powell, Montgomery, Josh Adams, Kenneth Dixon, cheap free agents, and late draft picks should be able to produce at a decent rate. If the offensive line can't block, then it really doesn't matter who we throw out there, as we have found out again this season.
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I admit it isn't necessarily fair, but my point was that things change very quickly at running back (and quite frankly, I was pretty amazed that virtually everyone else on that list was done). Just because a RB used to be good doesn't mean he will be good next year. Bell will be 28 next year, and he will be 3 years removed from his last good season.
I thought the number we would save is lower than $8M, but if we would save $8M by moving Bell AND get a draft pick, I would cut him in a second. I thought it was less than that though.
I also don't think it would create a huge hole at RB. How much worse are we really going to get at RB in terms of production? If the offensive line is good, a combination of Powell, Montgomery, Josh Adams, Kenneth Dixon, cheap free agents, and late draft picks should be able to produce at a decent rate. If the offensive line can't block, then it really doesn't matter who we throw out there, as we have found out again this season.
You make some valid points, and unlike other trade discussions like Revis or Adams I can see both sides. On the early pages of this thread when we were trying to sign Bell, I even said if we don't get him just fix the line and a lot of guys can run the ball.
But now that he's here and it doesn't kill our cap to keep him, it's worth another look. Let's see him and Darnold come back after a normal off season and run the same offense from the jump next year. Taking a year off isn't a normal scenario for an NFL RB, maybe it benefits him more going into this year and forward. Coming to a new team and offense and then losing the QB after Week 1 isn't the ideal way to come back from an idle year. You may end up being right in the end, but I think Bell has shown enough in the NFL that separates him from just any RB that I'd like another look before we decide he's not worth the money. And if he can regain his old form, not impossible at 28, we're a big step closer to where we want to go.
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I admit it isn't necessarily fair, but my point was that things change very quickly at running back (and quite frankly, I was pretty amazed that virtually everyone else on that list was done). Just because a RB used to be good doesn't mean he will be good next year. Bell will be 28 next year, and he will be 3 years removed from his last good season.
I thought the number we would save is lower than $8M, but if we would save $8M by moving Bell AND get a draft pick, I would cut him in a second. I thought it was less than that though.
I also don't think it would create a huge hole at RB. How much worse are we really going to get at RB in terms of production? If the offensive line is good, a combination of Powell, Montgomery, Josh Adams, Kenneth Dixon, cheap free agents, and late draft picks should be able to produce at a decent rate. If the offensive line can't block, then it really doesn't matter who we throw out there, as we have found out again this season.
He’s owed $14 million next year. It’s speculated that we would need to eat at least $6 million to trade him (this where I keep getting $8 million in savings)
The reason it opens a hole at RB is because we literally don’t have another guy under contract. If we sign an FA RB (which we damn sure should) to replace bell that’s $3 million (or more) in money spent. Which means all we’ve done is save $5 million to add to our talent acquisition pool. That’s nothing in today’s NFL and any half way decent starter is going to be worth at least $8 million and if you want a + starter at CB or OL, you can expect to pay double digits.
Oh and btw we need to draft a RB reasonably high. Which means the pick you just got in the 5th is an RB you need to draft.
So now we have traded Bell, used almost half the monetary resources gained to sign another back, and used the draft pick we gained on a late round RB to work into the rotation. But hey we have an additional $5 million to play with.
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The dead cap if we get rid of Bell and the lack of suitable replacement on the roster are the two biggest reasons to keep Bell. I dont think we HAVE to get rid of Bell but I would have no problem if they did.
I think you can get by with a cheap RBBC, but it would be nice if we had one young RB on the bench. Maybe Josh Adams is that guy. I was critical a few months ago that our only backup RBs were older guys on one-year deals for that very reason.
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Only 5 runningbacks in the NFL are getting over 8 million a year (Bell being one of them) so the question is would any other back give us more production than Bell?
Considering he was the least effective starter in the league, I'd say there's a very good chance we could replace Bell with someone who would give us more production AND save cap space AND get a draft pick in the process.
Does it not make sense to sign someone who likely has upside in every which way and is a better fit in the offense and has the potential of sticking around for years to come?
I mean with Bells contract he's 100% getting cut after 2020 so it's not like he's in the long term plans or anything
And this is going off the assumption we'd only save 8 million in cap space. More than that and it's an absolute no freaking brainer.
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Only 5 runningbacks in the NFL are getting over 8 million a year (Bell being one of them) so the question is would any other back give us more production than Bell?
Considering he was the least effective starter in the league, I'd say there's a very good chance we could replace Bell with someone who would give us more production AND save cap space AND get a draft pick in the process.
Does it not make sense to sign someone who likely has upside in every which way and is a better fit in the offense and has the potential of sticking around for years to come?
I mean with Bells contract he's 100% getting cut after 2020 so it's not like he's in the long term plans or anything
And this is going off the assumption we'd only save 8 million in cap space. More than that and it's an absolute no freaking brainer.
And how much are you planning to pay this future pro bowler to play for us? $2 million? Because that’s just not going to happen. My point was all the resources you are going to “get” by moving bell, will result in you spending/utilizing vIrtually ALL of them to replace Bell appropriately.
Elite players don’t grow on trees and when they do get loose from their teams that drafted them you have to pay top dollar. There are no discounts in FA. If you want a player like you described, you have to pay. Essentially your advocating moving on from Bell this year, so we don’t have to wait until 2020 to do so. We aren’t gaining excrement by moving on, not anything of real value anyways. To me that’s just shitty roster management. Oh and it also tells FAs a message too.
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Adam Gase deserves a completely revamped offensive line and time to make things work.
Le'Veon Bell can GTFO.
This is Jets fandom.
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Only 5 runningbacks in the NFL are getting over 8 million a year (Bell being one of them) so the question is would any other back give us more production than Bell?
Considering he was the least effective starter in the league, I'd say there's a very good chance we could replace Bell with someone who would give us more production AND save cap space AND get a draft pick in the process.
Does it not make sense to sign someone who likely has upside in every which way and is a better fit in the offense and has the potential of sticking around for years to come?
I mean with Bells contract he's 100% getting cut after 2020 so it's not like he's in the long term plans or anything
And this is going off the assumption we'd only save 8 million in cap space. More than that and it's an absolute no freaking brainer.
Classic dcm post in which he suggests we get rid of current player for unidentified superstar
We should do that for OL, CB, Edge, a couple other positions, see if we can upgrade on Jamal, see where we’re at with Bell, then extend Fitz.
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Can we please suspend this conversation until someone does some actual research on Bell’s contract in regards to the dead cap from trade implications. Because this is a really freaking pointless exercise right now with a bunch of people speculating on potential scenarios without any facts about the outcomes.
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Can we please suspend this conversation until someone does some actual research on Bell’s contract in regards to the dead cap from trade implications. Because this is a really freaking pointless exercise right now with a bunch of people speculating on potential scenarios without any facts about the outcomes.
We're going to have to pay a gigantic portion to move him. We might even have to do something similar to the Brock Osweiler trade, where we package a pick with the player to unload him.
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Can we please suspend this conversation until someone does some actual research on Bell’s contract in regards to the dead cap from trade implications. Because this is a really freaking pointless exercise right now with a bunch of people speculating on potential scenarios without any facts about the outcomes.
Cut: costs us $18M
Trade: costs us $8M in dead money, saves us just under $1M this season
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I can't wait till we trade him for nothing and get stuffed on 3rd/4th and 1 multiple times next year in important situations because we have a excrement running back.
How quickly we forget how in crucial situations, when we needed him most Bell turned nothing into a first down
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I can't wait till we trade him for nothing and get stuffed on 3rd/4th and 1 multiple times next year in important situations because we have a excrement running back.
How quickly we forget how in crucial situations, when we needed him most Bell turned nothing into a first down
RBs are a dime a dozen and we can easily draft his replacement for much cheaper. Yet somehow Eli McGuire isn't the Jets' starting RB. Weird, right?
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Cut: costs us $18M
Trade: costs us $8M in dead money, saves us just under $1M this season
I think we can close the book on this one. dcm can focus on trading Adams now to continue our rebuilding plan of addition by subtraction.
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I think we can close the book on this one. dcm can focus on trading Adams now to continue our rebuilding plan of addition by subtraction.
What if we package Bell and Adams for a 4th round pick in 2021? With an escalator that can turn it to a 3rd if they both make next year's Pro Bowl.
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What if we package Bell and Adams for a 4th round pick in 2021? With an escalator that can turn it to a 3rd if they both make next year's Pro Bowl.
Need to start thinking about Darnold as well. He's going to want a new contract in two years' time, we should probably start testing the market now so we can avoid that particular bear trap.
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We're going to have to pay a gigantic portion to move him. We might even have to do something similar to the Brock Osweiler trade, where we package a pick with the player to unload him.
I’d rather keep him than package any picks....the current state of this roster can’t afford to trade any picks away.
Bell still has value, he’s basically bought and paid for next season.
EDIT: FTR...I was 50/50 on keeping Bell before this post.
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I think I said this, but Bell presents a fantastic opportunity for Douglas to show Gase who's in charge.
Oh what's that Adam? You don't want him? Too bad. It's my call, and its your job to make it work, or you can go.
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I think I said this, but Bell presents a fantastic opportunity for Douglas to show Gase who's in charge.
Oh what's that Adam? You don't want him? Too bad. It's my call, and its your job to make it work, or you can go.
Unless of course they agree and both think he should either stay or go.
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Cut: costs us $18M
Trade: costs us $8M in dead money, saves us just under $1M this season
I love that it’s even worse than I thought it would be. So I think it’s clear Bell stays and we try and make the line better in hopes of helping him produce more. Hell if we do that and get another weapon in passing game, perhaps he will have even more space to run
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I think I said this, but Bell presents a fantastic opportunity for Douglas to show Gase who's in charge.
Oh what's that Adam? You don't want him? Too bad. It's my call, and its your job to make it work, or you can go.
If Douglas had a relationship like that with Gase....might as well fire Gase.
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I think I said this, but Bell presents a fantastic opportunity for Douglas to show Gase who's in charge.
Oh what's that Adam? You don't want him? Too bad. It's my call, and its your job to make it work, or you can go.
This is stupid. If Douglas makes decisions just to show who is in charge, he isnt the answer. I know you're joking but ideally the coach and GM should work together with the GM getting final say.
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Cut: costs us $18M
Trade: costs us $8M in dead money, saves us just under $1M this season
That is kind of what I had thought.
I'd still be willing to trade him for like a 4th but dumping him for the sake of dumping him is stupid unless he is a locker room issue. And as far as we know, that definitely is not the case.
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If this was ideal then the head coach would be working under the GM instead of the equal footing the Jets run with.
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If Douglas had a relationship like that with Gase....might as well fire Gase.
I'm sure even the rosiest of relationships between coach and general manager have their moments where the more powerful of the two pulls rank every once in a while.
This is stupid. If Douglas makes decisions just to show who is in charge, he isnt the answer. I know you're joking but ideally the coach and GM should work together with the GM getting final say.
Every decision a GM makes should be to make the team better. Sometimes that coincides with reminding those on the lower end of the power structure who's in charge.
As much as I think Gase should return, he has no leverage and no cache built up in which he can dictate to Douglas that its best for the team to move on from a former all-pro running back, especially when the cost of moving on is prohibitive. I'm not saying Douglas needs to be a dick about it, but a gentle reminder about the facts of life might be in order.
If this was ideal then the head coach would be working under the GM instead of the equal footing the Jets run with.
Herein lies the problem. I guess I'm approaching this situation under how a normal franchise should operate, but instead the Johnsons have muddled the hierarchy.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B6lLZr-A_CY/?igshid=146j1xzyr4wv6
Apparently he has been tested several times already this season, and said a couple of weeks ago that he was being unfairly singled out and wouldn't do any more.
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I love that it’s even worse than I thought it would be. So I think it’s clear Bell stays and we try and make the line better in hopes of helping him produce more. Hell if we do that and get another weapon in passing game, perhaps he will have even more space to run
That's crazy talk.
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EDIT: FTR...I was 50/50 on keeping Bell before this post.
I was also seeing both sides until that, there is no upside to getting rid of him. It's not like he's been a bum, injury prone or even a locker room problem, to the contrary he's been a key veteran leader. You need those guys.
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I was also seeing both sides until that, there is no upside to getting rid of him. It's not like he's been a bum, injury prone or even a locker room problem, to the contrary he's been a key veteran leader. You need those guys.
I’m more concerned about including draft picks just to get rid of his contract...ie Osweiler
No freaking thanks
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To be fair I forgot that we wouldn’t be able to offload his entire contract if traded. If we’re only saving a couple million it’s stupid to get rid of him.
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https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1210643685584637952?s=21
Build around players like this plz
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https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1210643685584637952?s=21
Build around players like this plz
The dudes a genuine respectable leader and desrveres credit for that.
But he's also due 43 million over the next 3 years, with almost nothing guaranteed the final 2.
Of course he wants to be here for 4 years, what else would you expect him to say? Especially after seeing Antonio Brown pee away a huge contract and instead walk away with CTE
Who wouldn't prefer making 29 million (basically whatd he would get in years 3 and 4) vs the short incentive laden deals he will likely see after 2 years of struggling immensely here.
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To be fair I forgot that we wouldn’t be able to offload his entire contract if traded. If we’re only saving a couple million it’s stupid to get rid of him.
That won't stop Gase.
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This is stupid. If Douglas makes decisions just to show who is in charge, he isnt the answer. I know you're joking but ideally the coach and GM should work together with the GM getting final say.
...and the moment Gase get's his panties twisted by a decision Douglas made that he didn't agree with he'll run right to one of the Johnson fucktards and try to get him fired. Gase is a freaking cancer that can't coach.
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...and the moment Gase get's his panties twisted by a decision Douglas made that he didn't agree with he'll run right to one of the Johnson fucktards and try to get him fired. Gase is a freaking cancer that can't coach.
baby back bitch mode engaged
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no point to trade bell. fire gase instead, freak him.
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baby back bitch mode engaged
Overall: 26th
Offense: 32nd
Defense: 11th
Specials: 2nd
Darnold: 32nd
Offensive Line: 26th
Via @fboutsiders footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff/…”
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Why are you highlighting offensive line? The fact that FO has them ranked 26th and not 32nd with the musical chair heap of dog excrement offensive line rotation is shocking.
If you really think that Sam Darnold has been the 32nd QB in the NFL, then Puck has a bridge to sell you.
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And we have to remember not only does Darnold have one of the worst OL in the league but he also has one of the worst RB as well. Have to give the dude credit for making chicken salad out of chicken excrement
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Why are you highlighting offensive line? The fact that FO has them ranked 26th and not 32nd with the musical chair heap of dog excrement offensive line rotation is shocking.
If you really think that Sam Darnold has been the 32nd QB in the NFL, then Puck has a bridge to sell you.
I'm just highlighting what Gase is responsible for.
Regardless, a 32nd rank offense is trash.
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I'm just highlighting what Gase is responsible for.
Regardless, a 32nd rank offense is trash.
Next season’s excuses should be colourful too.
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I'm just highlighting what Gase is responsible for.
Regardless, a 32nd rank offense is trash.
I would be more interested in seeing what the Jets offense is ranked in games Darnold played.
I mean this teams probably had more opening scoring drives this year than the previous 5 combined. We've absolutely struggled on offense, but considering the injury nightmares I think the offense has exceeded expectations for the year
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Exceeded expectations by being the worst in the league? What were you expecting?
That sounds downright stupid to me.
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I don’t care if Gase is here or not, I’m just not going to try and rank the offense much this year. The roster has been such a excrement show it’s hard to come to any sort of conclusion
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Exceeded expectations by being the worst in the league? What were you expecting?
That sounds downright stupid to me.
The numbers are skewed because we essentially had 3 weeks of zero offense with a practice squad QB
I'm not excusing that as decision making was Gase's. But the offense with an actual QB hasn't been quite as bad. I'd assume we'd be closer to mid to early 20s
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The numbers are skewed because we essentially had 3 weeks of zero offense with a practice squad QB
I'm not excusing that as decision making was Gase's. But the offense with an actual QB hasn't been quite as bad. I'd assume we'd be closer to mid to early 20s
This offense didn't exceed expectations even by accident.
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The numbers are skewed because we essentially had 3 weeks of zero offense with a practice squad QB
I'm not excusing that as decision making was Gase's. But the offense with an actual QB hasn't been quite as bad. I'd assume we'd be closer to mid to early 20s
Did you see the weighted DVOA chart I posted?
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Did you see the weighted DVOA chart I posted?
No post it again just because
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I have a ton of respect for @LeVeonBell for how he comported himself this season.
Real talk: I have never seen a player of his caliber so poorly used.
Should have been the Jets centerpiece. Instead, he was just a complementary piece. His talent was not maximized.
Ridiculous
I think everyone knows what beat reporter this tweet is from lol
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I think everyone knows what beat reporter this tweet is from lol
Real talk
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Imagine having a guy who is running for 10 yards a carry in the first quarter, against a team playing backups because they have nothing to play for, in the rain, with a lead.
Then making that guy disappear the rest of the game.
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Connor Hughes: There is nothing to read into the relationship between #Jets HC Adam Gase & Le’Veon Bell.
If you want to know how Gase feels about Bell … read or listen to everything Gase has said about him since he arrived at 1 Jet.
Gase has, on a near dozen occasions, got into great detail how much Bell means to this offense and how selfless Bell was to realize/accept the state of the offensive line, and abandon his previously-successful running style to better the team.
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Gase just met the media
When asked if he wants Bell back next year
"He's under contract for three years. You can ask Joe."
I wonder if he tries to be an poopchute, or if it just comes naturally.
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Gase just met the media
When asked if he wants Bell back next year
"He's under contract for three years. You can ask Joe."
I wonder if he tries to be an poopchute, or if it just comes naturally.
Pretty sure Bell said something very similar the other day when asked about his future here
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Gase just met the media
When asked if he wants Bell back next year
"He's under contract for three years. You can ask Joe."
I wonder if he tries to be an poopchute, or if it just comes naturally.
Put it in context. Everyone else who was there is including Hughes and Costello.
Gase is being a dick to Manish because Mehta has operated in true douchey fashion this year. The "does this loss justify the Dolphins decision to fire you" question pretty much determined how their exchanges were going to go for the rest of the season.
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Pretty sure Bell said something very similar the other day when asked about his future here
Le'Veon Bell
@LeVeonBell
Blessed for another year. I want to thank Jets fans for embracing me all season. I put everything into every snap this season & hope you all are proud of how I repped the Green & White. Things didn’t go as planned for many reasons, but can’t wait to get working & keep moving fwd.
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Le'Veon Bell
@LeVeonBell
Blessed for another year. I want to thank Jets fans for embracing me all season. I put everything into every snap this season & hope you all are proud of how I repped the Green & White. Things didn’t go as planned for many reasons, but can’t wait to get working & keep moving fwd.
I wouldn't have signed here for four years if I didn't want to be here four years," he told reporters Friday.
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Le'Veon Bell averaged 1.3 yards before contact per attempt, fewest in the league among the 45 RBs w/100+ carries.
OL could not have helped him out any less
Nania
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Nania
And yet he is seen as the problem.
Lets get Beachum, Scherff and Conklin in here next year and see what happens
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Nania
To be fair isn't Bell known for his patience in the backfield?
While Bilal gets more favorable opportunities, he's looked far more explosive than Bell everytime he touches a football, and he has the same coach and OL
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Bilal Powell: 59 carries, 229 yards (3.9 YPA) Yards before contact: 59 (1.7 AVG), Yards after contact: 131 (2.2 AVG). 4 broken tackles.
Le'Veon Bell: 245 carries, 789 yards (3.2 YPA) YBC: 319 (1.3 AVG). YAC: 470 (1.9 AVG). 13 broken tackles.
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Put it in context. Everyone else who was there is including Hughes and Costello.
Gase is being a dick to Manish because Mehta has operated in true douchey fashion this year. The "does this loss justify the Dolphins decision to fire you" question pretty much determined how their exchanges were going to go for the rest of the season.
https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell/status/1211752805150539776
Players don't care about context.
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Looking forward to gase dying in a car crash
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It was so crazy of me to suggest Gase doesn’t like Bell, wasn’t it?
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It was so crazy of me to suggest Gase doesn’t like Bell, wasn’t it?
Yes you freaking loon.
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Yes you freaking loon.
We’ll see.
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https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell/status/1211752805150539776
Players don't care about context.
I hate this dude so much.
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I hate this dude so much.
Bell, Gase, LJF or Scott?
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Bell, Gase, LJF or Scott?
think he means gase
it's obvious gase is behaving that way because it's manish asking the question, and we can't really take much from that clip.
still, answering it the way he did looks so bad, he does stuff like this all the time, he should know better. manish asks the question, give a blanket "i can't wait to work with him this offseason/the next 3 years" and move on. don't answer it the way he did and leave one of your best players with confusion/doubt and everybody else with another controversial talking point
i think it's been stated as a joke/diss by others who dislike gase, but taking in everything regarding the way he acts/speaks during these pressers, strange social and behavioral mannerisms, and how unaware he was of what he was doing with his eyes or how he looked during that bizarre introductory press conference, he may very well be a high functioning autistic
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"high functioning"
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Gase hangs dong foh
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Gase hangs dong foh
It's always the weird ones.
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still, answering it the way he did looks so bad, he does stuff like this all the time, he should know better.
I think it's pretty evident after all his dealings with the media that Gase isn't the most socially adept person, which I could care less about, but when his awkwardness and ineptness starts to blow back on the actual relationships within the team, it starts to become a problem.
This is his 4th year as a HC, not his first rodeo. He should know better and/or not let his personal issues with Manish excrement on his relationships with his players.
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Too bad there was no history of Gase alienating players for people to judge his character before this.
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Too bad there was no history of Gase alienating players for people to judge his character before this.
Jarvis Landry is a piece of excrement and Jay Ajayi is garbage.
They were both locker room cancers.
We haven't had that issue here yet and hopefully won't.
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Jarvis Landry is a piece of excrement and Jay Ajayi is garbage.
They were both locker room cancers.
We haven't had that issue here yet and hopefully won't.
I'd think if we were, 1-7 would have been the time.
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I'd think if we were, 1-7 would have been the time.
There's still some concern over how Le'Veon Bell reacted to Adam Gase's comments yesterday.
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Jarvis Landry is a piece of excrement and Jay Ajayi is garbage.
They were both locker room cancers.
We haven't had that issue here yet and hopefully won't.
100% agree
But I'm nervous, and I think it's justifiably so
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The Tony Pauline Mailbag
While you were at the Shrine Game, did you hear anything new on the status of Le’Veon Bell and the NY Jets?
Actually, I did. From the conversations I had, the feeling is mutual from both sides. It’s best for everyone involved if the Jets and Bell part company – for Bell’s career and for the Jets offense as head coach Adam Gase can get the running back he wants.
I’m also told the sides are working to attain that goal. There seems to be some friction but the relationship is not poisonous.
The question is this. Can the Jets move Bell’s contract? As someone said to me at the Shrine Game practoces, the team that trades for Bell will be a franchise that’s not paying a quarterback or edge rusher a big contract.
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I didn't read that, but the opposite will be true if he said it.
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GTFO with Tony Pauline
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I didn't read that, but the opposite will be true if he said it.
Yes to that.
There is no appreciable asset we can gain that will be worth more to us than a healthy bell for Sam
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Bell, Gase, LJF or Scott?
Gase. I love Bell but he's a square peg in a black hole.
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Yes to that.
There is no appreciable asset we can gain that will be worth more to us than a healthy bell for Sam
Not sure if this is true. Bell played better than his numbers this year, but his numbers were still awful, and now he has another year of wear and tear.
Any major upgrade at offensive line would be worth more to us than Bell. There are a lot of wide receivers we can draft in the first two rounds that could have more impact than Bell.
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Any major upgrade at offensive line would be worth more to us than Bell. There are a lot of wide receivers we can draft in the first two rounds that could have more impact than Bell.
You don't even have to look at just offensively either. We could potentially draft a corner or a linebacker that could make an early impact for us as well.
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You don't even have to look at just offensively either. We could potentially draft a corner or a linebacker that could make an early impact for us as well.
Can our team improve by moving bell for assets? Yes.
I don’t think saving the small sum of money we will actually save (for the cap) and the pee poor draft pick we will receive is likely to provide more help to this football team more than Bell can
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There's always the outside chance that Bell becomes a malcontent and hurts the team in different ways.
The only reason they'd trade him is if he didn't want to be here.
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There's always the outside chance that Bell becomes a malcontent and hurts the team in different ways.
The only reason they'd trade him is if he didn't want to be here.
Or if Gase doesn't want him to be here, which seems much more likely
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i really wish our coach would work with the players we have and not demand more wholesale changes just because his established excrement offense requires a specific set of players to play like excrement in it.
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If we can move Bell I’m all for it. He’s giving us UDFA value on a premier players contract. Not saying it’s his fault but he’s replaceable
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GTFO with Tony Pauline
More sourcez than the rest of the Jets beat combined
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Gonna be fun when Gase drives Bell and Adams out of town then still gets fired.
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Gonna be fun when Gase drives Bell and Adams out of town then still gets fired.
That will give the next coach we hire a few years of excuses for why were terrible, don't worry.
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Gonna be fun when Gase drives Bell and Adams out of town then still gets fired.
Unfortunately, this is likely scenario.
This team just lacks the ability to recognize good fortune. When we have a player like Adams, we're just going to try and get rid of him because our excrement head coach can't handle someone with an Alpha mentality.
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I don't get from where you think that Gase hates Adams. There hasn't been even a story about that or a hint of evidence...
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I don't get from where you think that Gase hates Adams. There hasn't been even a story about that or a hint of evidence...
Doesn't matter whether Gase likes him or not.
Adams had some hard feelings at the trade deadline, and now he's campaigning to play with Dez Bryant. It would be nice to say "Hey, maybe Dez will come and be a nice weapon for Sam" except Dez pretty clearly wants to return to Dallas. Weird, in a total coincidence, the Cowboys are who Adams said he'd happily play for.
Nothing to see here, though.
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i don't think gase would actually want to get rid of either adams or bell, but his autism gets in the way of being able to convey that to them and to others
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No one wants Dez Beyant’s washed up derriere on their roster
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i don't think gase would actually want to get rid of either adams or bell, but his autism gets in the way of being able to convey that to them and to others
So....a head coach who has serious problems communicating with his players?
What could possibly go wrong?
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No one wants Dez Beyant’s washed up derriere on their roster
I didn't know he still played. Was a tough cover in 2011.
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I find it hard to imagine Dez is ever going to play again
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Alio up in arms over some trash he read on Twitter?
Say it ain’t so
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Alio up in arms over some trash he read on Twitter?
Say it ain’t so
I mean, I didn't actually read it on Twitter, I read it here. (And saw Adams talking about Dez in my Google news feed.)
But whatever allows you to keep supporting Gase under any circumstances, I guess.
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https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1224744790547406848?s=21
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Who the freak is SmokePurpp
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Who the freak is SmokePurpp
JaMarcus Russell's rapper name.
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Who the freak is SmokePurpp
Biden's childhood gang rival
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JaMarcus Russell's rapper name.
Biden's childhood gang rival
Both of these are true
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The reaction gifs are amazing.
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https://twitter.com/tmz_sports/status/1224875352402599936?s=21
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According to ESPN Jets reporter Rich Cimini, the odds of Le'Veon Bell being traded this offseason are "remote."
Despite coach Adam Gase's open antagonism of Bell throughout his debut season in the Big Apple, Cimini doesn't see a trade coming to fruition without the Jets taking on a significant portion of his 2020 salary, which calls for a whopping $13.5 million in guarantees. Even then, Cimini wouldn't anticipate New York getting much in return for Bell (a Day 3 draft pick is probably the best they could hope for), who the Jets believe put on weight in 2019 while losing much of his explosiveness. Only Buccaneers plodder Peyton Barber averaged fewer yards per rushing attempt (3.1) than Bell (3.2) last season.
Would love to know Cimini’s source from the Jets that leaked the tidbit about the weight. Bell’s weight was down before the season started and he lost 10 lbs in December with the flu.
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https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1247172258034057216?s=21
This game feels like a lifetime ago
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https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1247172258034057216?s=21
This game feels like a lifetime ago
The Bell 2-point conversion was the happiest I had been at any point as a Jets fan since the Patriots win in Bowles' first season. Everything was going according to plan at that point. And then the last 15.5 games happened.
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https://twitter.com/getupespn/status/1281240723040407553?s=21
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https://twitter.com/getupespn/status/1281240723040407553?s=21
I think it's nigh on impossible to rank him anywhere after the last two seasons. He could be #10. He could be #3. He could be #23. Honestly no idea any more.
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I think it's nigh on impossible to rank him anywhere after the last two seasons. He could be #10. He could be #3. He could be #23. Honestly no idea any more.
Agreed. Very hard to rank him. However, I'm still stunned he's in the top 10. He needs to prove it again.
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I think it's nigh on impossible to rank him anywhere after the last two seasons. He could be #10. He could be #3. He could be #23. Honestly no idea any more.
He definitely couldn't be #3
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Not sure if I should put this in the Jamal thread or the Le'Veon thread.
https://twitter.com/Prez/status/1281446511436537862
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I think it's nigh on impossible to rank him anywhere after the last two seasons. He could be #10. He could be #3. He could be #23. Honestly no idea any more.
I think that’s more of an indictment of the Jets offensive side of the ball than LeVeon Bell
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https://twitter.com/espn/status/1283186970710151169?s=19
Not among top 10 rb in Maddem (not that I care about that shitty game)
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https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1287216413787250689?s=21
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Yeah he mad.
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https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1287216413787250689?s=21
Dude freak jamal I'm so happy hes gone. See you week 14. Dude you've been gone for 12 hours.
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My RB
https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1287216714338402304?s=21
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https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1292213144975282177?s=21
...how do you do this
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https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1292213144975282177?s=21
...how do you do this
Skip?
Have you never seen Double Dutch?
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Skip?
Have you never seen Double Dutch?
I have trouble with straightforward hopping over the rope in the same repetitive motion
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I have trouble with straightforward hopping over the rope in the same repetitive motion
I'm also white
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I have trouble with straightforward hopping over the rope in the same repetitive motion
I'm also white
Going to guess that neither of you are capable of dancing either.
Skipping and dancing to a reasonable level of competency require nothing more than a sense of rhythm, which to the best of my knowledge is not a function of skin pigment.
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Going to guess that neither of you are capable of dancing either.
Skipping and dancing to a reasonable level of competency require nothing more than a sense of rhythm, which to the best of my knowledge is not a function of skin pigment.
Miss me with your Marxist propaganda
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I've always been pretty good at sports. I play the drums. I'm the worst dancer ever.
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I'm a good dancer. I'm awful at jumping rope.
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Bell sure talks a good game when it comes to what shape he's in and how he's going to play. That said, if the OL is better, I could see Bell having a huge year.
This is essentially a contract year for him. If he has a big year, we'll bring him back next year at a healthy salary.
If not, he's gone, and he won't get a big contract on the open market as a 29-year old who hasn't been productive in years.
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1299465561907363847?s=21
Brian Costello is begging to get his own thread
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https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1299465561907363847?s=21
Brian Costello is begging to get his own thread
All of that has looked like talk as Bell has lacked explosiveness in practice, looks slow to hit holes and seems to now lack the vision that once made him arguably the best running back in football. This information is not being gathered from anonymous sources, but two sources I trust implicitly – my left and right eyes.
another reporter that has somehow morphed from somebody paid to ask questions/report news and information about the team to an All-Knowing God Analyst.
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another reporter that has somehow morphed from somebody paid to ask questions/report news and information about the team to an All-Knowing God Analyst.
Also that section of his article doesn’t make sense. You can’t say Bell lied that he’s in phenomenal shape. For crying out loud look at the guy and you know his body is in elite physical form. Now is it the best shape of his life? Only Bell knows.
Is he still a good football player? That’s a very different argument. And citing his own two eyes as his only evidence to back him up is absolutely nuts.
He is capitalizing on the Twitter conflict to try and get an article out suggesting Bell is trashed and should be shipped out.
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You can look in great shape and not be in great football shape. Social media pictures about what good shape you are in are useless.
I'm not at practice. None of us are. If Coz thinks Bell looks bad at practice, I have no problem with him reporting that. Training camp is closed to the public so reporters are our eyes and ears. Whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you.
We did just trade for a running back. It doesn't necessarily mean that trade has anything to do with Bell, but it might. Just like how the Ashtyn Davis pick might have had nothing to do with Jamal, but maybe it actually did and we were naive.
Bell sucked last year and if he sucks, I dont really trust an ancient Gore and a rookie Perine as the only options.
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You can look in great shape and not be in great football shape. Social media pictures about what good shape you are in are useless.
I'm not at practice. None of us are. If Coz thinks Bell looks bad at practice, I have no problem with him reporting that. Training camp is closed to the public so reporters are our eyes and ears. Whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you.
We did just trade for a running back. It doesn't necessarily mean that trade has anything to do with Bell, but it might. Just like how the Ashtyn Davis pick might have had nothing to do with Jamal, but maybe it actually did and we were naive.
Bell sucked last year and if he sucks, I dont really trust an ancient Gore and a rookie Perine as the only options.
Bell May or may not be successful this season. Ballage May or may not be successful this season.
But there is no way in hell this FO looked at ballage and said “he’s worth a conditional 7th” and thinks he is going to help be an answer at RB if Bell doesn’t get it done
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Everything I'm reading about Ballage says that he's Brant Boyer's player so I don't see any evidence their for the Jets looking to trade Bell.
Coz has had some troll articles before. He knows how to throw some excrement out there to garner clicks. If it's just Coz reporting this than I can easily dismiss it. If the narrative picks up steam then we might need to pay attention to it.
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Bell May or may not be successful this season. Ballage May or may not be successful this season.
But there is no way in hell this FO looked at ballage and said “he’s worth a conditional 7th” and thinks he is going to help be an answer at RB if Bell doesn’t get it done
No, but he's just another body to throw at the situation. If the Jets aren't happy with their running back situation, it would make sense that they would make sure they acquire Ballage, whom they may like a lot. Or Ballage could just be a pure special teamer who might not even make the roster.
The bottom line is if Bell is averaging 3.2 yards per carry again, we need to find a new answer at RB.
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All of that has looked like talk as Bell has lacked explosiveness in practice, looks slow to hit holes and seems to now lack the vision that once made him arguably the best running back in football. This information is not being gathered from anonymous sources, but two sources I trust implicitly – my left and right eyes.
1. Bell has always been slow to hit holes. That's been his style since high school.
2. I don't ever recall a running back with demonstrably great vision suddenly going football blind. So if that's what Costello is seeing, I don't trust it as much as he does.
3. Three of our offensive line positions are question marks, our left tackle is a rookie, and all starters but Alex Lewis are learning a new system in arguably the most fucked up offseason in league history. No one should be expecting quality line play in at least the first half of 2020.
4. Adam Gase is trash.
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No, but he's just another body to throw at the situation. If the Jets aren't happy with their running back situation, it would make sense that they would make sure they acquire Ballage, whom they may like a lot. Or Ballage could just be a pure special teamer who might not even make the roster.
The bottom line is if Bell is averaging 3.2 yards per carry again, we need to find a new answer at RB.
No one will argue that point with you. But that’s not happening until next offseason unless Perine is 100x better than we expect him to be
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Now that Kamara just signed a new deal, suddenly Bell isn't even in the top 3 of contracts for RBs anymore. Per year value, McCaffrey, Elliott, and Kamara are above him.
Still too much, but the optics are better now.
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isn't Cook getting paid too?
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As long as Jamal Adams doesn't get paid this season, I'm happy.
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Now that Kamara just signed a new deal, suddenly Bell isn't even in the top 3 of contracts for RBs anymore. Per year value, McCaffrey, Elliott, and Kamara are above him.
Still too much, but the optics are better now.
The only guy who makes the optics of Bells contract look better is Todd Gurley
Those other guys will all be elite/semi elite players for their teams
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The only guy who makes the optics of Bells contract look better is Todd Gurley
Those other guys will all be elite/semi elite players for their teams
Gurley is on a 1 year deal for $5.5 million, but with this year's dead money from Atlanta, yeah.isn't Cook getting paid too?
Not as much as Bell per year.
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Gurley is on a 1 year deal for $5.5 million, but with this year's dead money from Atlanta, yeah.Not as much as Bell per year.
Not Gurleys new deal
That's probably more appropriate for Bell
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Never pay a running back, especially ones with injury histories like Dalvin Cook or Alvin Kamara.
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Not Gurleys new deal
That's probably more appropriate for Bell
What new deal?
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Never pay a running back, especially ones with injury histories like Dalvin Cook or Alvin Kamara.
That is gonna blow up in both of their faces IMO.
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What new deal?
I'm saying I'm referring to his deal with the Rams being a clusterfuck making bells contract not look so bad.
Not his deal with the falcons
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That is gonna blow up in both of their faces IMO.
Well with the Saints it's actually a fairly smart move, especially since this is probably Brees last year. Who knows who they'll have at QB, but having someone like him for 2 to 3 years would be a nice boon, as long as he doesn't turn into a Bell
And the Cook extension seems fairly reasonable.
The details aren't out to the best of my knowledge but it doesn't seem like there's a ton of guaranteed money, and the APY isn't awful
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I'm saying I'm referring to his deal with the Rams being a clusterfuck making bells contract not look so bad.
Not his deal with the falcons
Sorry, I got into the wine.
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Gase says, “I’m mad at myself” for letting him go back in the game after hurting hamstring. #Jets
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I really hope Perine is back soon. If Bell is hurt, I really don't want to see Gore and Adams as the feature backs. Maybe Perine can actually turn into something.
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I really hope Perine is back soon. If Bell is hurt, I really don't want to see Gore and Adams as the feature backs. Maybe Perine can actually turn into something.
He's someone I was low key excited for going into the season
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Hopefully we sign an obese Bilal Powell back just so we can start a "Bilol" thread.
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Hopefully we sign an obese Bilal Powell back just so we can start a "Bilol" thread.
This
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Sounds like Bell will be out several weeks
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Sounds like Bell will be out several weeks
Also sounds like Perrine won’t be back this week.
Expect Josh Adams to be elevated, if not signed to the active roster.
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Expect Josh Adams to be elevated, if not signed to the active roster.
He's already up. He scored a TD yesterday.
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He's already up. He scored a TD yesterday.
The elevation only lasts for the duration of the game. IIRC if they move him up for this week then that’ll be the max for him so they’ll either have to sign him to the active roster or find another RB.
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The elevation only lasts for the duration of the game. IIRC if they move him up for this week then that’ll be the max for him so they’ll either have to sign him to the active roster or find another RB.
Put Cashman and Bell on IR.
Elevate Adams permanently and bring up Ogletree.
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Put Cashman and Bell on IR.
Elevate Adams permanently and bring up Ogletree.
Cashman can get an injury settlement for all I care. Get him the freak off the team.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Adams gets signed to the active roster.
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Le'Veon Bell liked
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Le’Veon Bell may go down as the worst free agent signing in Jets history and that’s saying something
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Le’Veon Bell may go down as the worst free agent signing in Jets history and that’s saying something
Let’s not. You only have to go back as far as Trumaine Johnson to prove that false.
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Le’Veon Bell may go down as the worst free agent signing in Jets history and that’s saying something
Bahahahahahaha
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Let’s not. You only have to go back as far as Trumaine Johnson to prove that false.
Oh...the reason i posted that is because Le'veon Bell liked that tweet on twitter.
EDIT: Cato figured it out
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Put Cashman and Bell on IR.
Elevate Adams permanently and bring up Ogletree.
Whats the limit for short term IR guys? we have to be getting close
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Whats the limit for short term IR guys? we have to be getting close
3 weeks.
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3 weeks.
I meant how many guys can we stash on that list. Aren't you only allowed like 4-5 of those guys at any one time?
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I meant how many guys can we stash on that list. Aren't you only allowed like 4-5 of those guys at any one time?
Not for 2020. We can bring as many players as we want after they spend 3 weeks on IR.
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Not for 2020. We can bring as many players as we want after they spend 3 weeks on IR.
I really hope that rule carries over into the future. IR is so stupid. Other sports don't end your season just because you got a 5-6 week injury.
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I really hope that rule carries over into the future. IR is so stupid. Other sports don't end your season just because you got a 5-6 week injury.
Except that if you remove the rule it will just be abused by teams using it to extend their roster.
A better idea would just be to have no upper limit on active roster size. That way you can have 70 players if you want, but you're not going to be able to have big stars because you won't have the cap space to pay them.
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Except that if you remove the rule it will just be abused by teams using it to extend their roster.
A better idea would just be to have no upper limit on active roster size. That way you can have 70 players if you want, but you're not going to be able to have big stars because you won't have the cap space to pay them.
There's a salary cap either way. You can't afford to just hoard players, nevermind that the players and union would never stand for teams just "stashing" guys on IR. I'd even be okay with making the mandatory sit time longer than 3 weeks. But if a guy has a 5-6 week injury in week 4, it's ridiculous that his year is basically over because you can't afford to keep him active or give the lone boomerang IR slot to him.
It works in other sports, there's no reason it wouldn't work in football.
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Except that if you remove the rule it will just be abused by teams using it to extend their roster.
A better idea would just be to have no upper limit on active roster size. That way you can have 70 players if you want, but you're not going to be able to have big stars because you won't have the cap space to pay them.
Then teams get to stash guys that could get playing time elsewhere if they got cut like normal. That’s not good either.
You both make good points.
I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t do it like the MLB IL.
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Then teams get to stash guys that could get playing time elsewhere if they got cut like normal. That’s not good either.
You both make good points.
I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t do it like the MLB IL.
I believe that’s Alios point. Put guys on a DL list for 4-6 weeks or whatever to clear a roster spot for a guy who is severely injured
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Then teams get to stash guys that could get playing time elsewhere if they got cut like normal. That’s not good either.
You both make good points.
I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t do it like the MLB IL.
I believe that’s Alios point. Put guys on a DL list for 4-6 weeks or whatever to clear a roster spot for a guy who is severely injured
Exactly my point, yes
It's just crazy that a team has to decide if a player is important enough that a 4-week injury is worthy of a precious IR-boomerang designation. Just set a length of time a player must be out if they are IR'd, and after that, he can return, just like in other sports.
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RB Le'Veon Bell will practice today. It sounds like the plan is to activate him off IR in time for Sunday's game.
Vacciano
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RB Le'Veon Bell will practice today. It sounds like the plan is to activate him off IR in time for Sunday's game.
Vacciano
Flacco2Bell
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https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1315406508444790784?s=21
This dude has been such a good soldier but he clearly hates the coach and/or organization at this point.
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https://twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1315406508444790784?s=21
This dude has been such a good soldier but he clearly hates the coach and/or organization at this point.
I mean, we all do. Why wouldn't the players hate the coach and organization?
The fact we ran a freaking dig route to Gore instead of a healthy Bell still infuriates me. I don't even care that Gore drew a lucky flag and the drive kept going. What in the unholy freak is wrong with Gase and this playcalling?
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This dude has been such a good soldier
No, he hasn't. He hasn't done much of anything. He threw tantrum during training camp.
Bell is washed and he'll use the scheme and the coaching staff to argue otherwise.
Both Gase and Bell stink.
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No, he hasn't. He hasn't done much of anything. He threw tantrum during training camp.
Bell is washed and he'll use the scheme and the coaching staff to argue otherwise.
Both Gase and Bell stink.
How on earth could you come to that conclusion when the last time he had a coaching staff who wasn't freaking retarded he was a top back?
These dumb cunts call on him to do nothing or run into the back of our line because our retard coach can't put together a play and our OL sucks more dicks than this board.
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How on earth could you come to that conclusion when the last time he had a coaching staff who wasn't freaking retarded he was a top back?
He WAS a top back. No one is disputing that. He took a year off and the game passed him by.
He's washed.
Bell loses plenty of yards on his own.
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He WAS a top back. No one is disputing that. He took a year off and the game passed him by.
He's washed.
Maybe, how can you tell? He's been saddled with Adam Gase and Dowel Logjams or whatever calling the offense.
Walter Payton would have struggled under this garbage, let alone Le'Veon.
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Maybe, how can you tell?
Because the holes are there in a lot of situations and he does not make correct reads/run through them.
Bell leaves a ton of yardage on the field.
I'm not defending the scheme or anything like that, but Bell has been bad for this team. He makes the occasional highlight catch or juke, but he's a shell of his former self. Looks slow out there more often than not.
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Last time Bell averaged at least 4.1 YPC, he was 5th in the NFL in rushing in 2016. He was behind Zeke Elliott, Jordan Howard, DeMarco Murray and Jay Ajayi. Howard was a healthy scratch today, while Murray and Ajayi have been out of the NFL for 2 years.
Life comes at you fast at RB. 3.2 YPC last year. 2.3 YPC this year.
It's easy to blame Gase for everything that is going wrong. But Gase probably looks at it like "I have a QB that keeps making mistakes, a washed up RB making a ton of money, a TE who can't catch, and a group of WRs who are probably the worst in the NFL." Gase has to go for obvious reasons, but Bell sucks because Bell sucks.
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Life comes at you fast at RB. 3.2 YPC last year. 2.3 YPC this year.
This is it. Thank you.
RB is not a premium position because of the shelf life.
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Selling a positive image of yourself on social media doesn't mean you've been a good soldier.
Last year, every report was he was in great shape. He was sharing Instagram videos of his workouts. He was looking great. Then the season began, and while he had some nice plays, for the most part, he was slow and unproductive. This year, every report is "Bell was out of shape last year, THIS is the year he's going to be the man, he's so motivated." Then it's just like last year.
I'm not saying he's been bad in the locker room or anything like that. But the guy has been the worst RB in the NFL since he arrived and he's making a lot of money for it. He damn well better be a good soldier.
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Because the holes are there in a lot of situations and he does not make correct reads/run through them.
Bell leaves a ton of yardage on the field.
I'm not defending the scheme or anything like that, but Bell has been bad for this team. He makes the occasional highlight catch or juke, but he's a shell of his former self. Looks slow out there more often than not.
I think Bells been a product of his environment, for sure. That's probably why he was so successful in Pittsburgh, competent coaching and consistency on offense.
Unfortunately, that's just not in the Jets game plan.
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I think Bells been a product of his environment, for sure. That's probably why he was so successful in Pittsburgh, competent coaching and consistency on offense.
Unfortunately, that's just not in the Jets game plan.
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Every RB is productive in Pittsburgh because of the scheme.
Most RBs are interchangeable. Christian McCaffrey looks like the best RB in the NFL. He gets hurt, and the Panthers don't miss a beat. Le'Veon Bell is a stud. James Conner does the same thing the next year.
Thomas Jones was trash his first year with the Jets. Then we invested in the OL, and he was a stud.
Maybe Bell can be productive with a good offensive line in front of him. So could virtually every running back good enough to make an NFL roster.
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Every RB is productive in Pittsburgh because of the scheme.
Most RBs are interchangeable. Christian McCaffrey looks like the best RB in the NFL. He gets hurt, and the Panthers don't miss a beat. Le'Veon Bell is a stud. James Conner does the same thing the next year.
Thomas Jones was trash his first year with the Jets. Then we invested in the OL, and he was a stud.
Maybe Bell can be productive with a good offensive line in front of him. So could virtually every running back good enough to make an NFL roster.
"bell could be as good as every other top back in the league"
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Frank Gore shouldn’t be getting half the carries. Bell was much more effective than him today.
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Trevon Wesco had more carries than Lamical Perine today
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Trevon Wesco had more carries than Lamical Perine today
Another reason to fire Gase.
But did we see Perine after the muffed KR early in the game?
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i thought bell rushed/ran a lot better today and if his line was actually 13/60 from the game then that's not that bad.
however there is no doubt that he's not the same player he used to be. his reaction time/vision is definitely not calibre that it was prior and he never had elite explosiveness to begin with. his short yard agility/burst is definitely not what it was when he was at his peak
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Trevon Wesco had more carries than Lamical Perine today
wesco is undoubtedly the best option we have on 3rd/4th and short, teams would never see this excrement, we're just not executing it. he totally deserves those carries over perine
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Hahah that’s perfect, Trevon Wesco didn’t execute, maybe he didn’t execute because that was a excrement idea
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Hahah that’s perfect, Trevon Wesco didn’t execute, maybe he didn’t execute because that was a excrement idea
It's just a shame that NFL teams aren't allowed to fire coaches midseason
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i'm still pissed he fckin decided to fake it to wesco on the 3rd and 1 after that like that was gonna fvcking do anything
he is deadass so fvcking clueless
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i'm still pissed he fckin decided to fake it to wesco on the 3rd and 1 after that like that was gonna fvcking do anything
he is deadass so fvcking clueless
Doesn’t that only work if the previous play was effective?
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Gonna be so awesome when Bell goes elsewhere and is yet another former Gase player who proves he can play and it was Gase's fault all along
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Gonna be so awesome when Bell goes elsewhere and is yet another former Gase player who proves he can play and it was Gase's fault all along
Who cares? Bell stinks. He's making WAY too much money. I'll be happy when he's gone.
One of Maccagnan's final FUs to this franchise.
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Who cares? Bell stinks. He's making WAY too much money. I'll be happy when he's gone.
One of Maccagnan's final FUs to this franchise.
Is the money even relevant? Who would we be spending that on right now instead? Joe Douglas priced himself out of the Jack Conklin and Robbie Anderson negotiations despite us being like $30M under the cap
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Is the money even relevant? Who would we be spending that on right now instead? Joe Douglas priced himself out of the Jack Conklin and Robbie Anderson negotiations despite us being like $30M under the cap
Wasted money that we could roll over into next year. Bell is a waste of a roster spot and cap space (even if we have a lot of money already).
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Who cares? Bell stinks. He's making WAY too much money. I'll be happy when he's gone.
One of Maccagnan's final FUs to this franchise.
Are you joining DCM's Capology firm?
Who cares how much money he makes? It's not like his contract is preventing Joe from spending. He's sitting on $30M and doing absolutely nothing.
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Wasted money that we could roll over into next year. Bell is a waste of a roster spot and cap space (even if we have a lot of money already).
How is he a waste of a roster space? We have Frank Gore and a rookie Gase refuses to play. Right now Bell is the only thing keeping that position group from being in complete shambles. Unless there’s some guy we can pick up off the street that’s better or we are trying to lose, I don’t see your point.
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Are you joining DCM's Capology firm?
Who cares how much money he makes? It's not like his contract is preventing Joe from spending. He's sitting on $30M and doing absolutely nothing.
It carries over.
We have large amounts of cap space invested into RB and ILB.
Non-premium positions taking up money that could be used elsewhere, like corner or EDGE in 2021z
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How is he a waste of a roster space? We have Frank Gore and a rookie Gase refuses to play. Right now Bell is the only thing keeping that position group from being in complete shambles. Unless there’s some guy we can pick up off the street that’s better or we are trying to lose, I don’t see your point.
Why do you think Bell is good?
Frank Gore is just as effective.
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It carries over.
We have large amounts of cap space invested into RB and ILB.
Non-premium positions taking up money that could be used elsewhere, like corner or EDGE in 2021z
Duff built this team around RB, ILB, and Safety lol
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Why do you think Bell is good?
Frank Gore is just as effective.
Frank Gore is the least effective back in the NFL rn
Bell has barely played. His YPC was fine yesterday, and that was without Becton
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Frank Gore is averaging 3.2 YPC. The only RB worse is Devonta Freeman at 3.1.
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Frank Gore is averaging 3.2 YPC. The only RB worse is Devonta Freeman at 3.1.
Bell would be right there with him with more carries.
He's averaging under 4 YPC as well.
They are both bums, but I'd rather give Gore the ball at this point. At least he doesn't lose yardage consistently.
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You give a guy short yardage work, his YPC will be lower. You can't trust Bell to pick up tough yards because he's not a tough runner.
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I can't wait until he winds up on a team with a good oline and looks good again.
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I can't wait until he winds up on a team with a good oline and looks good again.
Our offensive line is pretty good.
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Our offensive line is pretty good.
I feel like this is not true.
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It carries over.
We have large amounts of cap space invested into RB and ILB.
Non-premium positions taking up money that could be used elsewhere, like corner or EDGE in 2021
This can not be said enough. We didn't just dump big money and or draft capital into 1 or 2 non-premium positions but we put more of our resources there than into any premium position group save for Sam at QB.
In 5 freaking years,
Of Duff's premium draft picks (rounds 1-3) he selected
Edge - 3 (all 3rds)
DT/IDL - 3
S - 2
QB - 2
WR - 2
ILB - 2
OL - 1
Of his big money FA signings
CB - Johnson
LB - Mosely
RB - Bell
That is way too many of our primary resources going to non-premium positions. Of those 18 transactions 8 of them went to non premium positions, and that's assuming you count guys like Hackenberg, Polite, Mauldin and Ardarius Stewart as premium players even though they were severely overdrafted. Add in his big FA's not amounting to jack excrement of on field productions, and it's no wonder we are a god damned train wreck
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This can not be said enough. We didn't just dump big money and or draft capital into 1 or 2 non-premium positions but we put more of our resources there than into any premium position group save for Sam at QB.
In 5 freaking years,
Of Duff's premium draft picks (rounds 1-3) he selected
Edge - 3 (all 3rds)
DT/IDL - 3
S - 2
QB - 2
WR - 2
ILB - 2
OL - 1
Of his big money FA signings
CB - Johnson
LB - Mosely
RB - Bell
That is way too many of our primary resources going to non-premium positions. Of those 18 transactions 8 of them went to non premium positions, and that's assuming you count guys like Hackenberg, Polite, Mauldin and Ardarius Stewart as premium players even though they were severely overdrafted. Add in his big FA's not amounting to jack excrement of on field productions, and it's no wonder we are a god damned train wreck
So you're saying that maybe trading away a disgruntled safety for a boatload of draft picks rather than invest a shitload of money at safety is a good idea?
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How much do we save if we cut Mosely? Serious question.
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Jets must get rid of disgruntled Le'Veon Bell immediately
-Brian Costello
https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1315786909592031233?s=21
Costello vying for the Head Clown Beat Reporter Throne now that Manish was put out to pasture
Right now, Bell is a better blocker than a runner … as in he is blocking rookie La’Mical Perine from getting on the field. Perine played zero offensive snaps Sunday. Bell played 45, rushing for 60 yards on 13 carries. He was upset because he got only one pass thrown his way. He also committed a holding penalty and failed to run a strong rub route on a third-and-1 pass to the end zone by Joe Flacco.
-Adam Gase ghostwriter (uncredited)
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How much do we save if we cut Mosely? Serious question.
I believe cutting him next year isn’t feasible. While his cap hit is minimal next year (because most of the cap hit came this year and his deferred salary wasn’t much). Previously I think we had to keep him through 2021, but with the opt out year we need to keep him into 2022 from a dead cap perspective
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The Jets absolutely should trade Bell ASAP
Not because he supposedly sucks--he doesn't--but because he has zero value to this team. He's not young enough to be part of a rebuild, and this roster is a long way from competing
His best value is in a conversion into a draft pick. If the schmuck running the offense wasn't a complete dipshit, it might be different. But here we are
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The Jets absolutely should trade Bell ASAP
Not because he supposedly sucks--he doesn't--but because he has zero value to this team. He's not young enough to be part of a rebuild, and this roster is a long way from competing
His best value is in a conversion into a draft pick. If the schmuck running the offense wasn't a complete dipshit, it might be different. But here we are
They should def trade him if they plan on cutting him in the offseason. Based on Joe Douglas’s moves to date, cutting Bell seems like it would align with the same strategy.
I would have no problem bringing him back next year with a revamped offense and a coach that has some ideas on how to use him. Gase isn’t even making an attempt, so between that and the OL I don’t think we really know how good/bad Bell really is at this point in his career.
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Would we get a draft pick for him?
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Would we get a draft pick for him?
I think so.
But if you look at the playoff contenders they’re almost all set at starting RB. Maybe the Rams.
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I think so.
But if you look at the playoff contenders they’re almost all set at starting RB. Maybe the Rams.
The Rams have three good running backs
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I think so.
But if you look at the playoff contenders they’re almost all set at starting RB. Maybe the Rams.
This potentially proving that RB is a plentiful position and there are lots of guys who can play quality ball. Meaning yet again it’s stupid to sign 37 year old guys and pay $13-$15 million a year for another.
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The Jets absolutely should trade Bell ASAP
Not because he supposedly sucks--he doesn't--but because he has zero value to this team. He's not young enough to be part of a rebuild, and this roster is a long way from competing
His best value is in a conversion into a draft pick. If the schmuck running the offense wasn't a complete dipshit, it might be different. But here we are
Yet Perine is and he gets no carries because this clown thinks playing time will stunt his growth, so he just rides Frank Gore bc Gase thinks he's his only friend.
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#CutFrankGore
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I still can't believe we signed Frank Gore....our asset mgmt is abysmal.
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Gase's resource management is forcing a square peg through a round hole.
This freaking offense doesn't work and yet he's holding onto it for dear life.
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Cut Bell and Gore
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Cut Bell and Gore
Josh Adams SZN
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Josh Adams SZN
LaMichael who?
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LaMichael who?
LaMichael Wesco
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Trevon Wesco is actually good and I'm hoping he starts to get reps over Chris Herndon.
Apparently Ryan Griffin is an afterthought in this offense too. Not like he's been reliable this year either though.
What a huge drop-off we've seen at tight end this year...
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Trevon Wesco is actually good and I'm hoping he starts to get reps over Chris Herndon.
Apparently Ryan Griffin is an afterthought in this offense too. Not like he's been reliable this year either though.
What a huge drop-off we've seen at tight end this year...
I remember when Griffin signed that contract extension. Incredible piece of business.
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I remember when Griffin signed that contract extension. Incredible piece of business.
Hard to argue that deal because he earned it with some really good play after Herndon got hurt. Crazy to see how both of starting tight ends have fallen off.
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Hard to argue that deal because he earned it with some really good play after Herndon got hurt. Crazy to see how both of starting tight ends have fallen off.
I don’t understand what the problem is. Really strange.
John Dunn is an American football coach and former player. Dunn is currently the Tight Ends Coach for the New York Jets. He is the former offensive coordinator at the University of Connecticut.
Oh
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Manish says we're shopping Bell lmao
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Mike Clay
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Le’Veon Bell for AJ Green. Who says yes?
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Manish says we're shopping Bell lmao
@RichCimini
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The #Jets are trying to trade disgruntled RB Le'Veon Bell, a league source confirmed (as the
@NYDailyNews reported). He has approximately $6M gtd remaining on this year's salary, which makes it tough. Trading deadline is Oct. 29.
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Mike Clay
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Le’Veon Bell for AJ Green. Who says yes?
AJ Green is washed up too
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I'd rather have AJ Green
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I'd rather have AJ Green
AJ Green doesn't want to be here.
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Sources: The Jets have been in touch with other teams in an effort to trade RB Le'Veon Bell (as @MMehtaNYDN reported). Sounds like they're willing to settle for a late pick and/or back-end player in return.
Bell is due $6M (plus per-game roster bonuses) for the rest of '20.
Breer
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AJ Green doesn't want to be here.
No one wants to be here.
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AJ Green is washed up too
You know our depth chart has Chris Hogan as a starting WR rite
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I’d like to pretend we could get a 5th for the guy.
But honestly any piece that could be here next year is better than Bell is for us.
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You know our depth chart has Chris Hogan as a starting WR rite
Didn’t he just get injured?
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Maybe we get a 4th or something.
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You know our depth chart has Chris Hogan as a starting WR rite
Hogan needs a paycheck....Green doesn't.
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Didn’t he just get injured?
High ankle sprain I think. Based on the description, I thought his ankle exploded.
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I doubt Bell will ever claim to be a Jets fan after this season.
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He had once decent game without getting hurt, his value is as high as it's going to be.
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Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
Sources: The Jets have been in touch with other teams in an effort to trade RB Le'Veon Bell (as @MMehtaNYDN reported). Sounds like they're willing to settle for a late pick and/or back-end player in return.
Bell is due $6M (plus per-game roster bonuses) for the rest of '20.
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Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
Sources: The Jets have been in touch with other teams in an effort to trade RB Le'Veon Bell (as @MMehtaNYDN reported). Sounds like they're willing to settle for a late pick and/or back-end player in return.
Bell is due $6M (plus per-game roster bonuses) for the rest of '20.
Why not. This season is over. He wants out. He's getting cut next year anyway. We can dump some money, maybe get a player who could develop and a late rounder. Let him go prove himself somewhere else. He's been a good soldier despite all this Gase excrement. I say bail on anyone who isn't in the future cards.
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Albert Breer @AlbertBreer
Sources: The Jets have been in touch with other teams in an effort to trade RB Le'Veon Bell (as @MMehtaNYDN reported). Sounds like they're willing to settle for a late pick and/or back-end player in return.
Bell is due $6M (plus per-game roster bonuses) for the rest of '20.
It makes no sense to have Bell on the roster. At this point, we need to be full tank.
Trade Bell. You can keep Gore as a veteran presence, but don't play him.
Trade any other vets on 1-year deals that have value.
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Why not. This season is over. He wants out. He's getting cut next year anyway. We can dump some money, maybe get a player who could develop and a late rounder. Let him go prove himself somewhere else. He's been a good soldier despite all this Gase excrement. I say bail on anyone who isn't in the future cards.
Has he been a good soldier? He's put on a good image of himself on social media.
I'm not saying he hasn't been a good soldier. But we don't know that at all.
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He's put on a good image of himself on social media.
He really hasn't though. He acted like a child when Gase took him out of a scrimmage.
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He really hasn't though. He acted like a child when Gase took him out of a scrimmage.
Sooner or later, when enough players demonstrate their unhappiness with Gase's coaching someone is going to have to accept that maybe the problem isn't the players.
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Sooner or later, when enough players demonstrate their unhappiness with Gase's coaching someone is going to have to accept that maybe the problem isn't the players.
Exactly this
Really sick of the idea that it's always the players being whiny bitches. It's not much unlike "the players need to execute" always being the problem
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Le'Veon Bell is a trade away from essentially forcing his way out of two franchises.
You can blame Adam Gase all you want, and I'm sure he has a lot to do with this, but Bell is a turd too.
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He really hasn't though. He acted like a child when Gase took him out of a scrimmage.
I mean, he's fooled half this board into thinking that.
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I mean, he's fooled half this board into thinking that.
SBTG
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I mean, he's fooled half this board into thinking that.
All of this board was praising the way he acted when Jamal got traded. I don’t blame the guy for being pissed with Gase’s usage of him.
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All of this board was praising the way he acted when Jamal got traded. I don’t blame the guy for being pissed with Gase’s usage of him.
That's where I am. He was mature and stuck it out early on, even through Jamal's crap. I think he's just had enough. I can't blame him.
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I dont really have a problem with Bell wanting out. At the same time, he isnt producing at all, so why should he get the ball more when he isnt producing at all?
Maybe he is great behind the scenes. Maybe he isn't. I hold no ill will to him. But I just don't care to praise him as a good soldier when there have been issues with him and the coach since Day 1 and Bell has been non-productive. I blame Gase for most of those issues but I dont assume Bell is innocent.
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Whatever we think of his attitude, there is no scenario where we play a meaningful game and he helps us in it, ever. So if we can get a pick and/or clear cap going forward, you do it.
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All of this board was praising the way he acted when Jamal got traded. I don’t blame the guy for being pissed with Gase’s usage of him.
In hindsight maybe we should let dcm run the team. He suggested we trade Adams and Bell, if I'm not mistaken.
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he's a malcontent that isn't producing and everybody knows he wants to go. i'd be surprised if we were offered a 6th rounder for him. i'm sure teams would prefer to wait until after he gets cut
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Released
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Yep. Didn't think he was worth a draft pick to anyone.
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I want Gase's head on a platter
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Never pay a running back.
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But why release him? It doesn't save us any money or cap space. Why not keep him until the end of the season if we can't trade him?
This stinks of Gase. Again.
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freak Gase . freak Douglas, freak Christopher Johnson
Over a 2.5 mil bonus ?
Lol
I'm done
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Never pay a running back.
This.
Mike Maccagnan's parting gift to the franchise.
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But why release him? It doesn't save us any money or cap space. Why not keep him until the end of the season if we can't trade him?
This stinks of Gase. Again.
It rids the team of a potentially cancerous situation and it frees up a roster spot, plus hopefully more playing time for Lamical Perine.
This team never fails to entertain for all the wrong reasons.
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Gotta release Perine too after liking a tweet about Gase giving Wesco more carries. Can’t have a guy like that in the locker room.
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Perine getting reps is the only positive
But gase is now the worst HC in my lifetime
Guess Douglas did Bell a solid
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It rids the team of a potentially cancerous situation
This whole organization is Stage IV cancer.
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This whole organization is Stage IV cancer.
Rip off that band-aid now. Get rid of Gase next.
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Why are people mad? Bell didn't want to be here, and he wasn't helping. Frees up carries for younger players.
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It rids the team of a potentially cancerous situation and it frees up a roster spot, plus hopefully more playing time for Lamical Perine.
Lol. This team is already riddled with stage IV cancer with Gase still here. Releasing him just further reinforces that Gase is a bitch and has no idea how to handle the multiple personalities of his team and not qualified to be a head coach.
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This whole organization is Stage IV cancer.
Great minds ^
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Lol. This team is already riddled with stage IV cancer with Gase still here. Releasing him just further reinforces that Gase is a bitch and has no idea how to handle the multiple personalities of his team and not qualified to be a head coach.
Mike Tomlin must suck too then.
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Why are people mad? Bell didn't want to be here, and he wasn't helping. Frees up carries for younger players.
Why would any player want to be here? Extremely serious question
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Why are people mad? Bell didn't want to be here, and he wasn't helping. Frees up carries for younger players.
What younger players? Josh freaking Adams? You know he's just going to run Gore 15 times a game anyway.
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It rids the team of a potentially cancerous situation
The cancer has now forced out several people and when they get forced out it alway ends up being their fault and deserved, somehow.
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Not sure why everything comes back to Adam Gase. I don't think anyone here wants him as the NYJ head coach anymore.
Just because Le'Veon Bell is a turd and needed to go doesn't mean we are defending Gase. They both suck.
Mike Maccagnan literally threw all the money at Bell and Mosley. Neither player cared about winning. They cashed in because of an incompetent GM.
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Why are people mad? Bell didn't want to be here, and he wasn't helping. Frees up carries for younger players.
Does it? Perine has 15 carries on the season, and prior to last week the only game he missed was Bell's other game. 15 carries in 4 games is not suggesting that he's about to see an increased work load.
Frank freaking Gore by comparison has 64 carries already. Gore is going to have 200 carries this year and Perine might get to 50 touches.
If we gotta pay Bell either way, I would much rather have him and put Gore on the bench. There is at least the chance Bell might do something exciting. Washed or not, he's 100x the back Gore is.
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The cancer has now forced out several people and when they get forced out it alway ends up being their fault and deserved, somehow.
Again with the pointing fingers at Adam Gase.
Jamal Adams wanted out because he was a front runner with a loser's mentality. That was a great trade by Joe Douglas. Adams would've demanded top end money to stay here and he does not play a premium position.
Le'Veon Bell forced his way out of arguably the best run organization in the NFL before coming to the Jets. He literally only cared about money.
Gase is garbage and he won't be the Jets coach in 2021. Bell also wasn't going to be with the Jets in 2021. We are getting rid of both and it's for the best.
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If Perine doesn't become the lead back of this committee over the next few weeks, that's inexcusable.
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Again with the pointing fingers at Adam Gase.
Jamal Adams wanted out because he was a front runner with a loser's mentality. That was a great trade by Joe Douglas. Adams would've demanded top end money to stay here and he does not play a premium position.
Le'Veon Bell forced his way out of arguably the best run organization in the NFL before coming to the Jets. He literally only cared about money.
Gase is garbage and he won't be the Jets coach in 2021. Bell also wasn't going to be with the Jets in 2021. We are getting rid of both and it's for the best.
Nobody wants to play for Adam Gase, and instead of getting rid of Adam Gase, we get rid of everyone else.
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Mike Tomlin must suck too then.
Lol. What a stupid response
Gase has had a history of getting rid of people he didn't like back in Miami. But sure keep defending him.
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If Perine doesn't become the lead back of this committee over the next few weeks, that's inexcusable.
Add it to the list of inexcusable things that are getting excused by the Jets.
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Jets gave Le’Veon Bell an $8M signing bonus and a $2M salary in 2019 and a fully guaranteed $8.5M salary this year. That’s $18.5M for 17 games. Though the deal does have offset language, so if he signs elsewhere they’ll get back whatever that team pays him this year
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If Perine doesn't become the lead back of this committee over the next few weeks, that's inexcusable.
That'll be Perine's fault because he tweeted he wanted more carries right?
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Not sure why everything comes back to Adam Gase. I don't think anyone here wants him as the NYJ head coach anymore.
Just because Le'Veon Bell is a turd and needed to go doesn't mean we are defending Gase. They both suck.
Mike Maccagnan literally threw all the money at Bell and Mosley. Neither player cared about winning. They cashed in because of an incompetent GM.
If Gase wasn't here, Bell wouldn't be doing that stupid excrement on social media. Would he deserve to be here? Probably not, but I feel confident a different coach/play caller would be using Bell better and getting more production out of him, even if he is just a shell of his former self.
Thats why everyone is pissed at Gase for this. The guy could be better for us than he has been, but Gase is freaking up further and pissing off one guy who could actually be decent for Sam.
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Nobody wants to play for Adam Gase, and instead of getting rid of Adam Gase, we get rid of everyone else.
Everyone else = a safety on the verge of a holdout that got a record-setting haul in a trade and a washed running back that wasn't going to be on the team next season
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If Gase wasn't here, Bell wouldn't be doing that stupid excrement on social media.
How do you know that?
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He'll sign with New England for vet minimum
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If Perine doesn't become the lead back of this committee over the next few weeks, that's inexcusable.
What have we seen to suggest Perine gets 10 touches next week, let alone is the lead back?
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He's definitely signing for vet minimum tomorrow afternoon. I wouldn't count on a penny coming back to the Jets above that. No one is gonna pay the guy more than we were, so as a result he will get his full salary from us minus whatever team's vet minimum
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Everyone else = a safety on the verge of a holdout that got a record-setting haul in a trade and a washed running back that wasn't going to be on the team next season
Phrasing it to blame the players who want to leave dosent change that Gase routinely pushes players out, regardless of if you like them or not.
I don't know what you're arguing here, to be honest.
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He'll sign with New England for vet minimum
I hope so. And then I hope he freaking dismantles us twice. Gase and Douglas and Johnson need to get their noses properly ground into the dirt.
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Lol. What an stupid response
Gase has had a history of getting rid of people he didn't like back in Miami. But sure keep defending him.
I'm not defending Adam Gase. You guys are making all the excuses in the world for Le'Veon Bell, who was a problematic player before signing with the Jets.
The Steelers are an exceptional franchise and he talked his way out of town there. He is a me-first player and Maccagnan lured him in with a blank check. He was signing for the highest amount offered and from the sound of things, Maccagnan massively overspent for him. He was bidding against himself.
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I don't know what you're arguing here, to be honest.
We could've hired Matt Rhule and Jamal Adams would've demanded the highest safety contract ever. He would've poked holes in everything.
From what we know, Adams was mad at Douglas, not Gase.
And I'm arguing that it's okay for both Gase and Bell to be wrong here. It happened to Gase in Miami and it happened with Bell in Pittsburgh. Both of them are terrible people to have as part of a franchise.
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How do you know that?
Because he didn't do that excrement in Pittsburgh? He was a money grubbing derriere hat and sat out a season to get paid. We just saw on Sunday when Dak Prescott's career threatening compound fracture why players hold out. Now Bell turned down a stupid amount of money from Pitt and ended up with basically 2/3 of that money from the Jets, and frankly we shouldn't have offered him 1/2 of what we did.
To answer your question we don't know for sure, but considering very few athletes behave this way in the league (publically/on social media) outside of this freaking team, I feel confident our organization is related to these issues, and Gase is the head of that organization.
I get you think people are being unfair to Gase. But you also concede Gase is a freaking train wreck.
Are people holding things that aren't Gase's fault against him? Probably. But Gase has been so freaking bad in so many ways, and has cost us so much, he is going to get blame for additional excrement that's not his fault.
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Perine needs to be the main ballcarrier. I hope we find someone other than Josh Adams as the new RB3. Adams is a pure JAG.
I wish Gore weren't here either, but if he's there to mentor young backs, and get a carry every once in a while, so be it.
It's easy to blame Adam Gase for everything that's gone wrong with the Jets. People have done it for 2 years. A lot of it is deserved. Some of it is stupid.
Bell was gone next year. This is a lost season. Why do we care if we waste any more carries on Bell?
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Yeah, we're 0-5, it doesn't matter. Get Perine in there, or Bilal Powell. I don't care.
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And I'm arguing that it's okay for both Gase and Bell to be wrong here. It happened to Gase in Miami and it happened with Bell in Pittsburgh. Both of them are terrible people to have as part of a franchise.
This is the best thing you've said about this tonight. Neither was going to be here in March. It just pisses everyone off that Bell is shown the door first.
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Because he didn't do that excrement in Pittsburgh? He was a money grubbing derriere hat and sat out a season to get paid. We just saw on Sunday when Dak Prescott's career threatening compound fracture why players hold out. Now Bell turned down a stupid amount of money from Pitt and ended up with basically 2/3 of that money from the Jets, and frankly we shouldn't have offered him 1/2 of what we did.
To answer your question we don't know for sure, but considering very few athletes behave this way in the league (publically/on social media) outside of this freaking team, I feel confident our organization is related to these issues, and Gase is the head of that organization.
I get you think people are being unfair to Gase. But you also concede Gase is a freaking train wreck.
Are people holding things that aren't Gase's fault against him? Probably. But Gase has been so freaking bad in so many ways, and has cost us so much, he is going to get blame for additional excrement that's not his fault.
Gase is a trainwreck, but people are unfair to him. Both can be true.
A lot of teams have social media drama. Social media breeds that drama. Bell liking some tweets really isn't a big deal. He's not the only player to do that.
I'm sure Bell was doing that because we're 0-5 and he doesn't like Gase. If we were 0-5 with another coach, and he were similarly unproductive, he might be doing the same thing.
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This is the best thing you've said about this tonight. Neither was going to be here in March. It just pisses everyone off that Bell is shown the door first.
Why? Who cares about Bell. Why do Jets fans seem to have an emotional connection to him? He's done nothing here.
Who cares about the timing compared to Gase? Gase has nothing to do with this.
If we cut Pierre Desir next week, are we going to complain he got cut before Gase? At least Desir has a touchdown this year.
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I'm not defending Adam Gase. You guys are making all the excuses in the world for Le'Veon Bell, who was a problematic player before signing with the Jets.
The Steelers are an exceptional franchise and he talked his way out of town there. He is a me-first player and Maccagnan lured him in with a blank check. He was signing for the highest amount offered and from the sound of things, Maccagnan massively overspent for him. He was bidding against himself.
I'm not making excuses for Bell. I'd feEl the same regardless of the player. It's the fact that this piece of excrement coach has a history of getting rid of players he doesn't like and they all seem better off without his sorry derriere. So he sucks as a.coach, deplorable at evaluating talent, so I don't trust him to do anything.
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based on their persona and trajectory i feel you could say the chances of both adams and bell being off the team by this time next year was more or less 100%
however, the relative haste with which we had to give up on both is directly due to gase. there is a lot wrong with this team and people are unhappy, but some of that is more palatable if you at least play for a coach that you want to ride for and have respect for. it's painfully obvious both didn't think much of gase and the situation between coach-player was either untenable or non-existent. the quotes adams gave to that fag manish said a lot. what we heard from antonio cromartie say and mean a lot.
you can't blame them. the guy is so fcking weird. he's downright dumb, he's a bad coach, he doesn't behave like a coach. gase is not a guy that can instill confidence in a team or its players, let alone 'star' players or players with any sense of pride. we hired this guy to guide our franchise QB prospect.
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Gase is a trainwreck, but people are unfair to him. Both can be true.
A lot of teams have social media drama. Social media breeds that drama. Bell liking some tweets really isn't a big deal. He's not the only player to do that.
I'm sure Bell was doing that because we're 0-5 and he doesn't like Gase. If we were 0-5 with another coach, and he were similarly unproductive, he might be doing the same thing.
You have got to be freaking kidding me. This poopchute has literally taken two years of football away from us and you want the fans to go through sensitivity training when voicing our displeasure with this clown?
I'll get you a Gase Jersey so you have something to remember him by when he's freaking gone
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Why? Who cares about Bell. Why do Jets fans seem to have an emotional connection to him? He's done nothing here.
Who cares about the timing compared to Gase? Gase has nothing to do with this.
If we cut Pierre Desir next week, are we going to complain he got cut before Gase? At least Desir has a touchdown this year.
We care about the timing because Gase is quite literally holding this team back from having any shot at success. That's like the one thing no one argues. Would we be better without him? Everyone believes we would. Even if we all think that means we might only win 1 game this year, we would still be so much better off without him.
And yes if cut desir next week I'd be upset about that too. Despite being utter trash, the guy is still starting for us (imagine how bad the backups are) and that means that we cut a starter for the option of opening up a roster spot. That appears to me to be shitty roster management. That's why I would be pissed about Desir (and am to an extent about Bell). Not because I like Desire much as a player, I simply recognize he's the best of a bad situation.
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Gase is a trainwreck, but people are unfair to him. Both can be true.
i think we're too fair and even too lenient with him
again, bell was going to be gone sooner rather than later. but these situations came to a head a lot sooner and are uglier because of the type of person that gase is.
remember after the season ended last year when manish asked a dumb/inflammatory question to gase during a presser, and instead of getting on manish's case about it, gase responded by alienating bell and creating controversy about his status/future here? imagine all the weird excrement players have to deal with behind the scenes that we don't know about. adams said this guy just flat out ignored talking to them or addressing them at all. he is lost
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he's a malcontent that isn't producing and everybody knows he wants to go. i'd be surprised if we were offered a 6th rounder for him. i'm sure teams would prefer to wait until after he gets cut
you could see this coming from a mile away
F U maccagnan
let's not forget we're still stuck with that vegan mosely freeloading of us for two whole years like it ain't excrement
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We care about the timing because Gase is quite literally holding this team back from having any shot at success. That's like the one thing no one argues. Would we be better without him? Everyone believes we would. Even if we all think that means we might only win 1 game this year, we would still be so much better off without him.
And yes if cut desir next week I'd be upset about that too. Despite being utter trash, the guy is still starting for us (imagine how bad the backups are) and that means that we cut a starter for the option of opening up a roster spot. That appears to me to be shitty roster management. That's why I would be pissed about Desir (and am to an extent about Bell). Not because I like Desire much as a player, I simply recognize he's the best of a bad situation.
He's gone though. Whether he's gone in Week 6, Week 10 or Week 16, Gase is gone. The decision to bring him back was the problem. At this point, it's just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Personally, I hope they fire him just so we can stop arguing about him. It's like Trump - I'm just tired of it at this point. Except with Gase, the arguments are even dumber because we all hate him.
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He's gone though. Whether he's gone in Week 6, Week 10 or Week 16, Gase is gone. The decision to bring him back was the problem. At this point, it's just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
It isn't that though, is it? Keeping him here for another 11 games or another 6 games or another 1 game is just pissing off players with options. Firing him now tells the players that the team recognises the problem, keeping him says that they should just keep sucking it up. Players with options don't have to do that, as has once again been proven tonight.
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You have got to be freaking kidding me. This poopchute has literally taken two years of football away from us and you want the fans to go through sensitivity training when voicing our displeasure with this clown?
I'll get you a Gase Jersey so you have something to remember him by when he's freaking gone
Lol...thats a bingo
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He's gone though. Whether he's gone in Week 6, Week 10 or Week 16, Gase is gone. The decision to bring him back was the problem. At this point, it's just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Personally, I hope they fire him just so we can stop arguing about him. It's like Trump - I'm just tired of it at this point. Except with Gase, the arguments are even dumber because we all hate him.
You started hating Gase when....last week?
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Me: "Gase is a trainwreck"
LJF: "I'll get you a Gase jersey."
You guys are so obsessed with Gase. He's gone soon. I hate him. You hate him. We all hate him. He'll be gone soon enough. So sick of every thread on every topic turning into Gase bashing.
Gase stole 2 years from this franchise. Bell stole what, $27M(?) from this franchise. There are no good guys here.
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You started hating Gase when....last week?
You're not a true OG either homie
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Me: "Gase is a trainwreck"
LJF: "I'll get you a Gase jersey."
You guys are so obsessed with Gase. He's gone soon. I hate him. You hate him. We all hate him. He'll be gone soon enough. So sick of every thread on every topic turning into Gase bashing.
Gase stole 2 years from this franchise. Bell stole what, $27M(?) from this franchise. There are no good guys here.
Not my money. Is my time. The two things do not equate.
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It isn't that though, is it? Keeping him here for another 11 games or another 6 games or another 1 game is just pissing off players with options. Firing him now tells the players that the team recognises the problem, keeping him says that they should just keep sucking it up. Players with options don't have to do that, as has once again been proven tonight.
Failure will be punished, unless you're a coach.
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You started hating Gase when....last week?
The first thing I did when we hired Gase was tell my dad not to renew our season tickets. I never liked the hire.
I gave him a fair chance. He failed.
On to the next coach.
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I was done after week 1 last season
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you could see this coming from a mile away
F U maccagnan
let's not forget we're still stuck with that vegan mosely freeloading of us for two whole years like it ain't excrement
It all looked good for the first three quarters of the first game last year.
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Firing him now tells the players that the team recognises the problem, keeping him says that they should just keep sucking it up. Players with options don't have to do that, as has once again been proven tonight.
you needed a sentence for what took me a post/paragraph to try and explain. these players were not going to have long term futures with us, but they're setting the team stability/morale ablaze and leaving as early as they can due to the incompetence they recognize in gase
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Me: "Gase is a trainwreck"
LJF: "I'll get you a Gase jersey."
You guys are so obsessed with Gase. He's gone soon. I hate him. You hate him. We all hate him. He'll be gone soon enough. So sick of every thread on every topic turning into Gase bashing.
Gase stole 2 years from this franchise. Bell stole what, $27M(?) from this franchise. There are no good guys here.
You said we were being unfair to him. Tell me more...
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Never pay a running back.
This.
Mike Maccagnan's parting gift to the franchise.
To be fair it's not like his cap hit stopped us from being competitive.
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It rids the team of a potentially cancerous situation and it frees up a roster spot, plus hopefully more playing time for Lamical Perine.
This team never fails to entertain for all the wrong reasons.
"Good news, we removed the rumor. Bad news, you still have full blown AIDS."
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you needed a sentence for what took me a post/paragraph to try and explain. these players were not going to have long term futures with us, but they're setting the team stability/morale ablaze and leaving as early as they can due to the incompetence they recognize in gase
My tune has changed on firing Gase midseason. I'm all for firing him as soon as possible.
I don't care about team stability right now. The team sucks, and it will look completely different next season. And team morale will never be good as long as they suck. I don't think trading Bell makes any difference in team morale, other than if he had any close friends on the team. If the Jets want to win, we need to spend some money and draft well. Eight months from now, this roster should look nothing like it does now. If it does, Douglas has a lot of explaining to do.
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Nobody wants to play for Adam Gase, and instead of getting rid of Adam Gase, we get rid of everyone else.
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This. If we had already fired Gase I wouldn't be as annoyed about cleaning house.
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To be fair it's not like his cap hit stopped us from being competitive.
That's pretty much how I justified it at the time, even though I'm anti-paying RB and I'm typically anti-drafting RB in the 1st round.
The two ways I justified the Bell move:
- He was a pass catcher, and we sorely needed weapons to take the pressure off Sam. This didn't materialize.
- We've drafted so shittily for years that we have enough cap space where we can afford a luxury, especially if it was a skill player.
I'm really curious how he looks with a better offense. I don't think he's what he once was, but he should still be able to catch the ball, and his patient running style never seemed to match what Gase wants to do, and Gase couldn't adjust.
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None of this is going to matter in the end, who went first, who cares?
How about we go back to the classic Jets uniform next year and forget this whole little era ever happened.
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Gase would bench Perine for cutting back if it wasn't the intended running lane.
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That's pretty much how I justified it at the time, even though I'm anti-paying RB and I'm typically anti-drafting RB in the 1st round.
The two ways I justified the Bell move:
- He was a pass catcher, and we sorely needed weapons to take the pressure off Sam. This didn't materialize.
- We've drafted so shittily for years that we have enough cap space where we can afford a luxury, especially if it was a skill player.
I'm really curious how he looks with a better offense. I don't think he's what he once was, but he should still be able to catch the ball, and his patient running style never seemed to match what Gase wants to do, and Gase couldn't adjust.
Yeah, considering how high the ceiling was in terms of how valuable Bell could have been to Darnold's development I didn't mind making an exception.
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/10/13/jets-announcement-could-be-last-ditch-effort-to-trade-leveon-bell/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Technically isn't released until 4 pm tomorrow. Still time to get a conditional 12th round ham sammich for him.
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1316181095151538177?s=20
Saves $9M on 2021 cap
We're gonna need it to lure in free agents
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Maccagnan back at it again with the awful injury guarantees.
Bell's contract had a $8M injury guarantee built in for 2021. No team wanted to take on that risk.
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https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1316181095151538177?s=20
Saves $9M on 2021 cap
We're gonna need it to lure in free agents
We can get rid of MacCagnan’s high priced contracts so we can build cap space that we can use to sign free agents that will require high priced contracts to convince them to sign here that we will eventually have to get rid of to build cap space that we can use to sign free agents...
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We can get rid of MacCagnan’s high priced contracts so we can build cap space that we can use to sign free agents that will require high priced contracts to convince them to sign here that we will eventually have to get rid of to build cap space that we can use to sign free agents...
This is literally the same logic people have when they say who cares about draft picks because we have drafted bad in the past.
Yes, the Jets have a bad track record. But you need to keep trying.
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This is literally the same logic people have when they say who cares about draft picks because we have drafted bad in the past.
Yes, the Jets have a bad track record. But you need to keep trying.
Nope. Try again.
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Nope. Try again.
So is your plan not to sign any more free agents?
Our best seasons in my lifetime were combos of drafts and free agents. Sometimes they get it right. It has just been a while. I hope Douglas is the guy to fix it. I hope the new coach is too.
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We can get rid of MacCagnan’s high priced contracts so we can build cap space that we can use to sign free agents that will require high priced contracts to convince them to sign here that we will eventually have to get rid of to build cap space that we can use to sign free agents...
I’ve been thinking about this. I don’t think we have ENOUGH cap space to bring in many high profile guys. I’m think 2-3 at max. We don’t need to turnover 10 guys on this roster, we need to turn over 30-35. And I’d say at least 60% of the starting lineup. Those guys are not cheap. We will try and sign 2-3 big money/name guys and then look to fill the roster with Brian Poole types on shorter term deals for $4-6 million.
I’ll be really curious what guys sign for this offseason and what guys are cap casualties because the cap is so much lower than expected. I bet it’s a actually a great year to load up on FAs because those deals will be cheaper AAS than normal.
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So is your plan not to sign any more free agents?
Our best seasons in my lifetime were combos of drafts and free agents. Sometimes they get it right. It has just been a while. I hope Douglas is the guy to fix it. I hope the new coach is too.
First, signing FAs is not the same as drafting.
Second, I’m complaining about the fact that we are in such a shitty position that overpaying for FA talent is the only way to acquire it. I’m not saying don’t sign anyone, I’m saying we’re the worst.
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Speaking of signing FAs.....i'm sure we're going to have a helluva convincing potential FAs to sign here after how this franchise has treated players over the last few seasons.
And i don't give a excrement what anyone says....Gase drove players out in Miami, and in NY. The guy is a freaking cancer.
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https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1316200408340140032?s=21
This organization is looking super appealing for all of those high priced free agents that will want to come here for their career to die
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Speaking of signing FAs.....i'm sure we're going to have a helluva convincing potential FAs to sign here after how this franchise has treated players over the last few seasons.
And i don't give a excrement what anyone says....Gase drove players out in Miami, and in NY. The guy is a freaking cancer.
Once we hire Jason Garrett as HC, the FAs will come rollin' in.
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https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1316200408340140032?s=21
This organization is looking super appealing for all of those high priced free agents that will want to come here for their career to die
freak!....this was my point in my post above yours.
The next coaching hire absolutely has to be a homerun. Because the selljob to bring FAs here just got more difficult.
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Most of those guys aren't even in the league anymore
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Once we hire Jason Garrett as HC, the FAs will come rollin' in.
That's not even remotely funny.
Christopher Johnson fucked this franchise up royally....even more so than Woody ever could. The cleanup job in marketing this franchise to fans and potential FAs will be insurmountable.
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Dion Bailey is really going to drive away free agents
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Dion Bailey is really going to drive away free agents
This franchise has major egg on their collective face....nobody needs Dion Bailey's opinion to see that.
I hope Bell goes to another team asap, and rips it up. Gase will never work in the NFL again, not even as a quality control coach.
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I hope Bell goes to another team asap, and rips it up.
Damn, you guys really love a player that did absolutely nothing but rob this team of cap space. He's being treated like Curtis Martin.
"BUT HIS YPC IS BETTER THAN GORE'S!" Man, dcm would have a higher YPC than Frank Gore.
I hope Bell stinks and that Adam Gase is fired this afternoon.
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PERINE SZN (hopefully)
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Damn, you guys really love a player that did absolutely nothing but rob this team of cap space. He's being treated like Curtis Martin.
"BUT HIS YPC IS BETTER THAN GORE'S!" Man, dcm would have a higher YPC than Frank Gore.
I hope Bell stinks and that Adam Gase is fired this afternoon.
I don't give a excrement about Bell....but i want as many players as Gase has fucked over to return the favor and ruin his reputation. I want to make sure even the freaking Glasgow Diamonds wouldn't hire this poopchute.
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PERINE SZN (hopefully)
it'll depend on the "flow of the game". *eyeroll*
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Perine should get 20 carries a game.
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Perine should get 20 carries a game.
What worries me a little bit about Perine is that he's never really been a bellcow.
At Florida he was part of a pretty deep committee.
He is an outstanding receiver. He needs to be a volume ball carrier that gets manufactured touches in the passing game. Gase is too stupid to do that though.
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all you idiots freaking know were just gonna pump up gores carries, why are you wasting your breath talking about perrine
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all you idiots freaking know were just gonna pump up gores carries, why are you wasting your breath talking about perrine
#prrrrrtrine
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all you idiots freaking know were just gonna pump up gores carries, why are you wasting your breath talking about perrine
At this point, if it doesn’t happen, Gase is just being an poopchute or trying to lose. Or troll Jets fans.
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Gase misusage of Bell vs. 2016-17 with PIT
* About 1/3 as many slot catches (3.8 per 16G vs 11.9)
* Less than 50% as many snaps/game lined up in slot or out wide (4.6 vs 9.6)
2019 OL: Bell ranked last in yds before contact (1.2)
Nania
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Telling that Gase likes Tutankhamen's mummy over what was once one of the most versatile RB's in the history of the NFL. I would just loved to have seen how bad Gase would make LT look in his offense.
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Once we hire Jason Garrett as HC, the FAs will come rollin' in.
SBTG
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Change thread title to "now irrelevant"
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Change thread title to "now irrelevant"
I second the motion.
Adam Gase Delenda Est.
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Change thread title to "now irrelevant"
done
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https://twitter.com/ryanhannable/status/1316527045694959616?s=21
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https://twitter.com/ryanhannable/status/1316527045694959616?s=21
Can't wait to see him in a Pats jersey and light us up.
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https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1316742854094487554?s=19
Chiefs pls
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Cimini pointed out those are our next 3 opponents
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Cimini pointed out those are our next 3 opponents
When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
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Cimini pointed out those are our next 3 opponents
Presumably they're interested in him so they can get insight into Gase's playbo..... lol who am I kidding.
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Presumably they're interested in him so they can get insight into Gase's playbo..... lol who am I kidding.
If I’m LeVeon I’m signing with the Dolphins so I can run all over the Jets twice this season.
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I hope he signs with Miami and tears his Achilles
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If I’m LeVeon I’m signing with the Dolphins so I can run all over the Jets twice this season.
Gonna take a lot of carries to get to 100 yards when you run for 3.3 YPC.
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Gonna take a lot of carries to get to 100 yards when you run for 3.3 YPC.
That average will go up when he faces a defense that cannot tackle.
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I hope he signs with Miami and tears his Achilles
I hope Bell returns to probowl form. Anything to expose Gase for the fraudulent POS he is.
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I hope Bell returns to probowl form. Anything to expose Gase for the fraudulent POS he is.
THIS
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Rooting for a sorry derriere player that did nothing for this team...
Hilarious
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Rooting for a sorry derriere player that did nothing for this team...
Hilarious
Lot of Maccagnan lovers on this board who want to make his FA signing look good.
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Nobody has picked him up yet?
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Nobody has picked him up yet?
Sounds like he's signing within the division. Hopefully he gives COVID to the Patriots*.
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When you’re a Chris Herndon stan:
Rooting for a sorry derriere player that did nothing for this team...
Hilarious
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Rooting for a sorry derriere player that did nothing for this team...
Hilarious
Nobody has done anything for this franchise in 2 years (staff or player).....so there's that.
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Nobody has done anything for this franchise in 2 years (staff or player).....so there's that.
I agree, this goes for Sam Darnold too.
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Nobody has done anything for this franchise in 2 years (staff or player).....so there's that.
How dare you neglect Jamison Crowder
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Rooting for a sorry derriere player that did nothing for this team...
Hilarious
I hope he tears us a new poopchute, the only compelling thing about this season is the sheer magnitude of our suffering. Is there a word for self-directed schadenfreude?
I've also got him on my fantasy team so there's that.
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How dare you neglect Jamison Crowder
Robby Anderson was good, look where it got him.
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How dare you neglect Jamison Crowder
Dude's caught at least 7 for 104 in each of the three games he's played this year. In this system. That's like 2000 yards in a regular offense.
I'd love to see an extension.
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Lot of Maccagnan lovers on this board who want to make his FA signing look good.
More like wanting to add another player to the list that excels without Gase.
Furthers the narrative that he's a freaking POS coach
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Rooting for a sorry derriere player that did nothing for this team...
Hilarious
Spiting Gase is more important than avenging 1.5 years of lost cap space
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Dude's caught at least 7 for 104 in each of the three games he's played this year. In this system. That's like 2000 yards in a regular offense.
I'd love to see an extension.
I like him and I'd like to see him stay here as well, but if any sort of player is supposed to excel in an 'Adam Gase' offense, it's a player like Crowder
still credit to him for producing and for producing on a team as excrement as ours
the problem is that an adam gase offense literally has no benefits for any other offensive player
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the problem is that an adam gase offense literally has no benefits for any other offensive player
That's not true, Frank Gore is only 1175 yards behind Walter Payton to become the second all time in total rushing yards which means Gase only has to give him 392 more 3 yard runs up the middle to get there.
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the adam gase offense offers the benefit of having dowell loggains hold the challenge flag
very high in demand. how awesome will that look on his CV
Work Experience
2019 - 2020. Held Challenge Flag for NYJ.
i can't say i pay much attention to it but does any other team do it like this? hasn't really come up this year but i remember a few times last year there was some confusion about what we were doing with the flag and whether we were actually challenging a play or not?
we need to get gase some trains to play with
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https://twitter.com/mikegiardi/status/1316828243304083456?s=21
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https://twitter.com/mikegiardi/status/1316828243304083456?s=21
Why is anyone waving around more than the vet minumum? He gets paid the same amount either way, just changes who pays it. Unless they are going over $6 million, which would be hilarious. I guess they could be offering a multi year deal.
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Why is anyone waving around more than the vet minumum? He gets paid the same amount either way, just changes who pays it. Unless they are going over $6 million, which would be hilarious.
All Bell cares about is money.
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https://twitter.com/mikegiardi/status/1316828243304083456?s=21
That doesn't make any sense given he has offset language, surely they just give him vet min and we're on the hook for the rest?
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All Bell cares about is money.
What I'm saying is that he has offsets in his contract, so if they pay him more than the league minimum, it comes off our books, but he still gets the same amount of money.
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They are likely trying to sign him for a few years, not just the rest of the season.
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No state tax in Florida, book it.
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if teams are bidding higher than the min for him then it means they really want him, and understand there is competition for his services
seems like other organizations.....think bell has something left......and enough to bid good money for his services
they may very well be wrong but if anything it's an indictment of what they feel about players that play in a gase offense
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if teams are bidding higher than the min for him then it means they really want him, and understand there is competition for his services
seems like other organizations.....think bell has something left......and enough to bid good money for his services
they may very well be wrong but if anything it's an indictment of what they feel about players that play in a gase offense
Or he has a very good agent
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No state tax in Florida, book it.
He lives in Miami already.
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Bell to the Chiefs "expected" per my ESPN app alert.
Edit: Source]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30120515/rb-leveon-bell-expected-sign-kansas-city-chiefs] source (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30120515/rb-leveon-bell-expected-sign-kansas-city-chiefs)
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Bell to the Chiefs.
Works best for us, and for him. Assuming the money is equal, he's got a much better chance of a ring in KC than Miami or Buffalo
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Why would a Super Bowl winning organization with a stud rookie at RB want a malcontent shitty player
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Works best for us, and for him. Assuming the money is equal, he's got a much better chance of a ring in KC than Miami or Buffalo
I think he's focusing more on a ring than revenge, though he's likely to get both.
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Why would a Super Bowl winning organization with a stud rookie at RB want a malcontent shitty player
He's clearly washed, his agent is just tricking the defending Super Bowl champions who don't know how to run an offense into signing him. Classic agent move
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Because he's better than Darrel Williams (KC), Jordan Howard (MIA) and T.J. Yeldon (BUF).
There are levels between "top-5 RB" and "completely washed."
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If he does poorly it means we can put this argument to bed because it means he is just washed.
If he does well, most of us will look at it as an indictment against this offense and the roster. Others will go on to claim that anyone can succeed in that offense so it really proves nothing.
And I will hate all of it.
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Guess it’s official.
https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1316882234155147264?s=21 (https://twitter.com/leveonbell/status/1316882234155147264?s=21)
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Because he's better than Darrel Williams (KC), Jordan Howard (MIA) and T.J. Yeldon (BUF).
There are levels between "top-5 RB" and "completely washed."
"No, there are only two kinds of players. Elite or freaking trash." -all NFL discourse since like 2006
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I'm rooting for Bell and the Chiefs. I hope he plays like an All Pro the rest of the way.
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They have a million weapons, he will have a lot more space and opportunity there.
Whatever.
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Sounds about right (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201016/7d66260792a4b487d510414adb301d30.jpg)
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It’s funny because we are already dead.
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Tykeek
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Tykeek
his kid in the arm
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Amazing how bad Adam Gase must be to get 80% of the Jets fan base rooting for Le'Veon Bell to play like a star, when all Bell did here was produce absolutely nothing and make a ton of money for it, then force his way out of town. If we had a coach we liked, we would probably hate Bell.
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If we had a coach we liked, we would probably hate Bell.
Steelers fans hated Bell when he was good
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If we had a coach we liked, we would probably hate Bell.
If we liked the coach it would probably be because he was utilizing good players effectively, and there'd be no reason for us to hate Bell.
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If we had a coach we liked it would mean it's Week 1 of his first year.
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If we liked the coach it would probably be because he was utilizing good players effectively, and there'd be no reason for us to hate Bell.
this
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If we had a coach we liked it would mean it's Week 1 of his first year.
I dont even think we could say this about Gase... I think the most positive attitudes towards him week 1 last year was something along the lines of "I hope he proves me wrong"
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If we liked the coach it would probably be because he was utilizing good players effectively, and there'd be no reason for us to hate Bell.
What makes Bell a good player in 2020? He might be. Maybe this is all Adam Gase's fault, and Bell is still great. Obviously, Gase hasn't done a good job with Bell, but maybe Bell just doesn't have it anymore.
But just because he was good in 2017 doesn't mean he's good in 2020.
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What makes Bell a good player in 2020? He might be. Maybe this is all Adam Gase's fault, and Bell is still great. Obviously, Gase hasn't done a good job with Bell, but maybe Bell just doesn't have it anymore.
But just because he was good in 2017 doesn't mean he's good in 2020.
It is my assumption that if a player has been elite for the entirety of his career with the only exception being the season and a bit that he played in an Adam Gase offense, the problem isn't the player until definitively proven otherwise.
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Steelers fans hated Bell when he was good
Steelers fans eat crayons.
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When the Steelers get rid of a good player there's usually a reason. We got a good year out of Santonio Holmes, once we resigned him it was all downhill. So Bell is that, minus the one good year.
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Steelers fans eat crayons.
So do Jets fans
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So do Jets fans
We don’t eat them
We melt them down and drink them as if they were our daily protein shakes
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When the Steelers get rid of a good player there's usually a reason. We got a good year out of Santonio Holmes, once we resigned him it was all downhill. So Bell is that, minus the one good year.
They didn't get rid of him. He sat out while they tried to get him to do a new deal, then Conner showed them that they could get along fine without Bell, so they walked away from him. That's a comment on Conner, Tomlin and the Steelers line more than it is Bell.
It may be that Bell is to some extent a product of the Steelers system, but we have never put him in a position to demonstrate that one way or the other. Prime LdT would look like a scrub in this team.
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They didn't get rid of him. He sat out while they tried to get him to do a new deal, then Conner showed them that they could get along fine without Bell, so they walked away from him. That's a comment on Conner, Tomlin and the Steelers line more than it is Bell.
It may be that Bell is to some extent a product of the Steelers system, but we have never put him in a position to demonstrate that one way or the other. Prime LdT would look like a scrub in this team.
still think it's wild how a non-prime LT got a jets tattoo on his calf one month into his time with us lmfao. bet he heavily regrets that now
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Amazing how bad Adam Gase must be to get 80% of the Jets fan base rooting for Le'Veon Bell to play like a star, when all Bell did here was produce absolutely nothing and make a ton of money for it, then force his way out of town. If we had a coach we liked, we would probably hate Bell.
More like 99%.
You, being part of the 1%
And you can thank your boy Gase for him producing nothing.
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What makes Bell a good player in 2020? He might be. Maybe this is all Adam Gase's fault, and Bell is still great. Obviously, Gase hasn't done a good job with Bell, but maybe Bell just doesn't have it anymore.
But just because he was good in 2017 doesn't mean he's good in 2020.
AYFKM?
...wait...holy excrement...Adam Gase is that you?!?!??!
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We don’t eat them
We melt them down and drink them as if they were our daily protein shakes
Orange is my favorite
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I really hope we fire Gase soon because I feel like LJF is going to have an aneurysm.
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I really hope we fire Gase soon because I feel like LJF is going to have an aneurysm.
I'm gonna contact the RWJ Foundation about our "Save LJF" project
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They didn't get rid of him. He sat out while they tried to get him to do a new deal, then Conner showed them that they could get along fine without Bell, so they walked away from him. That's a comment on Conner, Tomlin and the Steelers line more than it is Bell.
It may be that Bell is to some extent a product of the Steelers system, but we have never put him in a position to demonstrate that one way or the other. Prime LdT would look like a scrub in this team.
A longer way to say they got rid of him. :D
still think it's wild how a non-prime LT got a jets tattoo on his calf one month into his time with us lmfao. bet he heavily regrets that now
I don't think so, he spoke highly of his time with the Jets when he was on NFL Network. Played some of the biggest games of his career here and finally beat the Patriots in the playoffs.
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I don't think so, he spoke highly of his time with the Jets when he was on NFL Network. Played some of the biggest games of his career here and finally beat the Patriots in the playoffs.
We would he regret it? That team was a lot of fun in general.
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https://twitter.com/LeVeonBell/status/1318220447100542977?s=19
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Adam Teicher @adamteicher
Andy Reid on the addition of Le'Veon Bell: "We don't turn away good players and he's a good one.''
LOL, what does Andy Reid know. Should have listened to our fans.
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LOL, what does Andy Reid know. Should have listened to our fans.
I rarely care about the success of a player not on my favorite teams. I hope he plays the best football of his life the rest of the year.
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LOL, what does Andy Reid know. Should have listened to our fans.
It helps that they can block for him and they have other weapons. He wasn't doing any good here and wasn't going to be here the next time we win a game (next year) anyway.
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It helps that they can block for him and they have other weapons. He wasn't doing any good here and wasn't going to be here the next time we win a game (next year) anyway.
Agreed, we should just give up on the whole blocking and having offensive weapons thing and save ourself the embarrassment.
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Agreed, we should just give up on the whole blocking and having offensive weapons thing and save ourself the embarrassment.
Brilliant!
You can't fail if you don't try.
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It helps that they can block for him and they have other weapons. He wasn't doing any good here and wasn't going to be here the next time we win a game (next year) anyway.
FTR, the argument has repeatedly been made that Bell is washed up and useless and that's why he did nothing here.
Andy Reid, while obviously not the offensive mind that Adam Gase is, apparently disagrees.
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FTR, the argument has repeatedly been made that Bell is washed up and useless and that's why he did nothing here.
Andy Reid, while obviously not the offensive mind that Adam Gase is, apparently disagrees.
I’m quite certain Reid will get something from Bell. I also am quite certain it won’t be nearly what his production was in Pittsburgh.
Even with our shitty scheme and OL and other weapons it seemed quite clear Bell was our best back. That will translate to being something in KC, I just am not sure what it will look like
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FTR, the argument has repeatedly been made that Bell is washed up and useless and that's why he did nothing here.
Andy Reid, while obviously not the offensive mind that Adam Gase is, apparently disagrees.
People pushing that narrative on this board just hate Bell and were Gase supporters.
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https://twitter.com/Cnimbley/status/1320468813578674177?s=19
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https://twitter.com/Cnimbley/status/1320468813578674177?s=19
Can't be right, he's washed up
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Wow, a running back has success in Kansas City. Shocking.
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https://twitter.com/pff/status/1320469873739341825?s=21
Turns out this type of play design works better to Bell’s strengths than running right up the middle
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Wow, a running back has success in Kansas City. Shocking.
Wild that people on here were arguing that the problem was Le’Veon Bell being washed instead of the pretty obvious reality that the issue is the Jets offense sucks dick
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Bell isn’t good and our offense stinks
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Bell isn’t good and our offense stinks
Bell isn’t good behind a excrement oline and with a coach that has no idea how to use him. Anything more than that is just an assumption on your part.
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This dude is going to run all over the Jets next week. Maybe they'll throw him a few passes too, just to rub it in.
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Bell isn’t good behind a excrement oline and with a coach that has no idea how to use him. Anything more than that is just an assumption on your part.
You just gave the Chiefs credit for giving Bell the ball on outside zone.
Gase used him that way too and he was inconsistent.
They both suck. Glad Bell is gone. Useless, overpaid player.
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I’ll say this if Bell is ever going to have 100 yards from scrimmage again in his career, it’s quite likely to be this weekend
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Wrong forum.
freak Bell, Adams, the other 31 teams, the commissioner, the Super Bowl and all their corporate sponsors.
This is the Jets forum. J!E!T!S!
Who's with me? Let's goooooooooo!
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Wrong forum.
freak Bell, Adams, the other 31 teams, the commissioner, the Super Bowl and all their corporate sponsors.
This is the Jets forum. J!E!T!S!
Who's with me? Let's goooooooooo!
*crickets*
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Wrong forum.
freak Bell, Adams, the other 31 teams, the commissioner, the Super Bowl and all their corporate sponsors.
This is the Jets forum. J!E!T!S!
Who's with me? Let's goooooooooo!
I'm definitely hear for the "freak Bell" part. I don't hate Bell, but I also think it's ridiculous Jets fans seem to have an affinity towards Bell, even though he was terrible here.
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I'm definitely hear for the "freak Bell" part. I don't hate Bell, but I also think it's ridiculous Jets fans seem to have an affinity towards Bell, even though he was terrible here.
It sounds like you’re just easily triggered. What reasons would anyone have to hate Bell?
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It sounds like you’re just easily triggered. What reasons would anyone have to hate Bell?
Because he was a shitty Jet who was one of the least productive players in the NFL despite getting paid a lot, and then he bitched his way out of town. Typically, that isn't the profile of someone Jets fans would like, but all the hate for Jets fans is currently being directed at Gase, which is understandable.
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Because he was a shitty Jet who was one of the least productive players in the NFL despite getting paid a lot, and then he bitched his way out of town. Typically, that isn't the profile of someone Jets fans would like, but all the hate for Jets fans is currently being directed at Gase, which is understandable.
He got ran out of town by a coach that never wanted him and refused to use him. Who knows what would have happened with Bell on a team without Gase and a historically bad OL. Let me know when they send Perine packing for liking tweets that Gase sucks.
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Last year, Bell was 8th in the NFL in total touches and 5th in RB snaps. And he missed a game. Gase didn't refuse to use him.
Clearly, they didn't get along, and Gase maybe could have used him differently. But we gave one of the most ineffective running backs the 8th-most touches in the league.
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Gase misusage of Bell vs. 2016-17 with PIT
* About 1/3 as many slot catches (3.8 per 16G vs 11.9)
* Less than 50% as many snaps/game lined up in slot or out wide (4.6 vs 9.6)
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Bell also averaged only 0.56 yards before contact per carry, per PFF, the single worst mark among the 50 running backs who carried the ball at least 75 times last season. He averaged nearly three times as many yards before contact per attempt in 2017, when running behind the excellent Pittsburgh offensive line.
Bell, unlike many of the league's best running backs, prefers to dance and wait behind the line of scrimmage, waiting for a hole to open up before bursting through. That's why he ranked fifth and first in average time spent behind the line of scrimmage, per NFL.com's NextGen Stats, in 2017 (3.11 seconds) and 2016 (3.10).
In 2019, though, Bell was not afforded as much opportunity to wait things out. He spent an average of only 2.86 seconds behind the line of scrimmage on a per-carry basis, and while that difference does not sound all that large, it dropped him from two top-five rankings all the way to 23rd in the league
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I was replying to your comment that they "never used" Bell.
If you want to say they didn't use him the right way, that's a different argument.
Also, if your argument is that Bell is only a good RB with a good offensive line in front of him, then I agree - Bell is like most running backs.
Bell will look great in KC because KC is a great offense. Damien Williams nearly won Super Bowl MVP in that offense last year after being a JAG for his entire career.
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I was replying to your comment that they "never used" Bell.
If you want to say they didn't use him the right way, that's a different argument.
Also, if your argument is that Bell is only a good RB with a good offensive line in front of him, then I agree - Bell is like most running backs.
Bell will look great in KC because KC is a great offense. Damien Williams nearly won Super Bowl MVP in that offense last year after being a JAG for his entire career.
There has repeatedly been an arugment made that Bell is a washed-up scrub. SFD's posts dispute that idea.
The argument wasn't just that Bell is only effective behind a good OL. If that were the case, I doubt anyone would make a big deal of what happened. He's an offensive weapon with multiple facets. He can run the ball, he can catch the ball, he can do those things really well. On a team with few players that have proven they can do either.
But Gase didn't want him here and chose to misuse him to make his point. Blaming Bell for his lack of success here is like blaming the firey hot ball of gas in the sky for you getting a sunburn.
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Washed
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Washed
Thought about posting something similar during the game, but then forgot about him. That's how irrelevant he is.
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This dude is going to run all over the Jets next week.
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This just makes me angry
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This just makes me angry
Wonder how Texans' fans feel...
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Look what Bell can do when you just use him properly
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This is what a generation raised on Madden franchise mode produces.
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This is what a generation raised on Madden franchise mode produces.
Coaches like Bill O’Brien?
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This is what a generation raised on Madden franchise mode produces.
Judging by the flair I'm assuming it's taking the pee out of Houston.
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This is your daily reminder that Le'Veon Bell is not a good running back anymore.
1.2 YPC
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Personally I'm just more interested in the continuing embarrassment of Adam Gase than I am in beating the dead horse of Maccagnan. So it wasn't weird to want to see Bell succeed elsewhere or against us.
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Personally I'm just more interested in the continuing embarrassment of Adam Gase than I am in beating the dead horse of Maccagnan. So it wasn't weird to want to see Bell succeed elsewhere or against us.
This. I thought he would do better against us, but I don't care about being wrong on that front.
Gase leading us to a 0-16 season is the much more relevant possibility to focus on.
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This. I thought he would do better against us, but I don't care about being wrong on that front.
Gase leading us to a 0-16 season is the much more relevant possibility to focus on.
Yup, this.
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Also, Bell was a Jets fan as a kid who publicly said he wanted to play for the Jets and help us win a title. I don't understand anyone who doesn't root for someone like that.
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Also, Bell was a Jets fan as a kid who publicly said he wanted to play for the Jets and help us win a title. I don't understand anyone who doesn't root for someone like that.
We signed him to a large contract, he showed up out of shape, and didn't produce.
Then he showed up here again in his 2nd year in slightly better shape, still didn't produce, got hurt, and bitched his way out of town.
I rooted for Bell when he was here. Now he's not here, and now I don't care. I don't understand how people have so much affinity towards a guy who basically stole money from the Jets.
Just because Adam Gase didn't like him doesn't mean that you have to like him.
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We signed him to a large contract, he showed up out of shape, and didn't produce.
Then he showed up here again in his 2nd year in slightly better shape, still didn't produce, got hurt, and bitched his way out of town.
I rooted for Bell when he was here. Now he's not here, and now I don't care. I don't understand how people have so much affinity towards a guy who basically stole money from the Jets.
Just because Adam Gase didn't like him doesn't mean that you have to like him.
I don't recall him showing up out of shape. My recollection is that was an assumption because he got hurt early on and wasn't being given snaps by Gase in training camp.
And he was in fantastic shape when he came in this year. Best of his life per Gase, the team, and Bell himself.
He didn't produce because he was given few opportunities on a team that has almost no weapons. And he didn't bitch his way out of town. I don't even know where that narrative comes from. He disputed knocks on himself on social media. He's gone because Gase never wanted him here.
Adam Gase has been stealing money from the Jets and wasting money spent on others. I like Bell because I like Bell. I don't need an artificial reason to despise Gase. Screw him.
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I don't recall him showing up out of shape. My recollection is that was an assumption because he got hurt early on and wasn't being given snaps by Gase in training camp.
And he was in fantastic shape when he came in this year. Best of his life per Gase, the team, and Bell himself.
He didn't produce because he was given few opportunities on a team that has almost no weapons. And he didn't bitch his way out of town. I don't even know where that narrative comes from. He disputed knocks on himself on social media. He's gone because Gase never wanted him here.
Adam Gase has been stealing money from the Jets and wasting money spent on others. I like Bell because I like Bell. I don't need an artificial reason to despise Gase. Screw him.
So you think the Jets just randomly cut him and it was entirely because of Gase not wanting him? In that case, I have a bridge to sell you.
Every athlete is in "the best shape of his life." Talk is cheap.
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Best shape of his life and he pulled his hamstring running a shitty route
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Lol @ "stole money from the Jets."
It's getting really fun watching people get militant defending the Johnsons' money.
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Lol @ "stole money from the Jets."
It's getting really fun watching people get militant defending the Johnsons' money.
I can't wait until Adam Gase is fired, so we can have some rational football talk on this board again.
Le'Veon Bell got $28M from the Jets to average 3.3 yards per carry. He showed up out of shape year 1. Year 2, he immediately got hurt and then got out of dodge.
He is one of the worst free agent signings in Jets history. That isn't even debatable.
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He is one of the worst free agent signings in Jets history. That isn't even debatable.
Trumaine Johnson
CJ Mosley
Le'Veon Bell
Quincy Enunwa extension
Muhammad Wilkerson extension
Mike Maccagnan is responsible for all five of the worst contracts in team history
Trumaine Johnson and Quincy Enunwa are two of the worst deals in NFL history. Mosley's will likely be one too.
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Neil O'Donnell was a pretty bad one back in the day. As soon as the NFL allowed free agency we jumped right in to sign aging name players like Tony Casillas, Leonard Marshall and O'Donnell. We even splurged on Nick Lowery to kick.
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Trumaine Johnson
CJ Mosley
Le'Veon Bell
Quincy Enunwa extension
Muhammad Wilkerson extension
Mike Maccagnan is responsible for all five of the worst contracts in team history
Trumaine Johnson and Quincy Enunwa are two of the worst deals in NFL history. Mosley's will likely be one too.
Throw Henry Anderson on the pile.
I'm always down to beat this dead horse because it can never be overstated how bad a job Mike Maccagnan did.
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Neil O'Donnell was a pretty bad one back in the day. As soon as the NFL allowed free agency we jumped right in to sign aging name players like Tony Casillas, Leonard Marshall and O'Donnell. We even splurged on Nick Lowery to kick.
Matthew Hatchett and Justin McCariens also belong in the conversation
But dear god all of those deals have freaking sucked for us that Heis listed
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Matthew Hatchett and Justin McCariens also belong in the conversation
But dear god all of those deals have freaking sucked for us that Heis listed
McCareins also cost us a second rounder as I recall. Fuckin Bradway.
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I guess when you fail at the draft for decades you try to sign veterans. But when you're incompetent you fail at that too.
Best FA signing ever was probably Vinny in the summer of 1998.
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I guess when you fail at the draft for decades you try to sign veterans. But when you're incompetent you fail at that too.
Best FA signing ever was probably Vinny in the summer of 1998.
Even with having to give up the picks, Curtis wasn't bad either.
The initial Tanny signings were solid. Woody, Faneca, then when Rex got here Bart Scott and Leonard.
Unfortunately, both with losing out on talent that goes elsewhere, and signing busts, this team loses way more than it wins when it comes to free agency.
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Even with having to give up the picks, Curtis wasn't bad either.
The initial Tanny signings were solid. Woody, Faneca, then when Rex got here Bart Scott and Leonard.
Unfortunately, both with losing out on talent that goes elsewhere, and signing busts, this team loses way more than it wins when it comes to free agency.
We need Lou.
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We need Lou.
We've never had anything even remotely close to a Lou.
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4 carries for 8 yards (2 YPC)
1 catch for -5 yards
5 touches for 3 total yards
Mother fuckin washed
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Chiefs aren’t using him the right way
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ok, so maybe hes not great. but i still blame adam gase and feel he should be fired for this.
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ok, so maybe hes not great. but i still blame adam gase and feel he should be fired for this.
He should be fired for a lot of things, but not Le'Veon Bell. He didn't want to sign him in the first place.
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Meh. Don’t care.
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freak Lev, it's whining about Kalen "Balling Out" Ballage looking amazing in the Chargers latest choke-loss SZN
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Is Bell still in the league?
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Is Shonn Greene inactive?
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Is Shonn Greene inactive?
*checks closet for jersey*
yes
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KC just put him in with 3:32 left in the half.
#ImpactPlayer
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KC just put him in with 3:32 left in the half.
#ImpactPlayer
They were just saving him for the potential GWD
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They don't want to overload his plate.
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Bell was up for the Translucent part in The Boys.
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Pretty sure Bell is on Twitter complaining about his playing time in Kansas City
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Pretty sure Bell is on Twitter complaining about his playing time in Kansas City
Dude needs to shut up and just take the ring they about to hand him
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Who cares?
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Breaking News: Still washed
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Breaking News: Still washed
Adam Gase did this
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Adam Gase did this
I thought players instantly got better when they got away from him.
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The real reason Coach Beans is bombing his interviews - can't explain his failure to showcase Bell.
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Heiss cares more about Le’Veon Bell more than anyone who wanted him to succeed and it is hilarious.
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Heiss cares more about Le’Veon Bell more than anyone who wanted him to succeed and it is hilarious.
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Damn right
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I'd rather see Brady win his 100th ring than Bell win his first. freak him.
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I hope KC wins every year until the Jets start making the playoffs again.
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I hope KC wins every year until the Jets start making the playoffs again.
WHS. I have no ill will towards KC, if they can keep the seat warm atop the AFC until we're ready to make it ours that would suit me just fine.
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I hope KC wins every year until the Jets start making the playoffs again.
I’m fine with this.
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I hope KC wins every year until the Jets start making the playoffs again.
Normally I'd have no problem with this since KC's an exciting, likable team however they ruling the roost non-stop would provide cover for the Johnson Bros. vs. a revolving door of (many) contending teams sharing the media limelight. Better a group to emphasize and shed light on the NYJ's also-ran rep.
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Normally I'd have no problem with this since KC's an exciting, likable team however they ruling the roost non-stop would provide cover for the Johnson Bros. vs. a revolving door of (many) contending teams sharing the media limelight. Better a group to emphasize and shed light on the NYJ's also-ran rep.
I’d agree with this except it is sort of an irrelevant point until we can prove that we can win our own division.
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Our current irrelevance is relevant. Greater, more diversified success (i.e. more teams) can imho only help push the "why not the Jets?!" question to the forefront. And being in the largest media market can only help in that regard as well.
Why not the Jets?
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I'm not convinced the team with Tyreek Hill is the most likable either.
If we get Deshaun Watson, we are immediately one of the biggest stories in the AFC entering the season to see how that works. And if they win, and Saleh is the real deal, things could turn quickly.
Hell, even if we don't get Deshaun Watson, if we start winning, we're a New York franchise, and we will get attention. Especially if the Giants keep sucking. It's a low bar to get attention in New York, and that means cultural relevance.
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It's hard for one team to be as dominant as New England was. You look at the NFC since the 2002 realignment, 12 of 16 teams have made the Super Bowl. In the AFC you had New England like 8 times, Pittsburgh, Denver, and Indy a couple each. I'd like to see the AFC be more wide open now, not another dynasty.
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Even with Watson, we are light years from KC.
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It's hard for one team to be as dominant as New England was. You look at rhe NFC since the 2002 realignment, 12 of 16 teams have made the Super Bowl. In the AFC you had New England like 8 times, Pittsburgh, Denver, and Indy a couple each. I'd like to see the AFC be more wide open now, not another dynasty.
Lions, Washington, Cowboys, Vikings? Took me a moment to narrow it down. That's a striking stat.
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Lions, Washington, Cowboys, Vikings? Took me a moment to narrow it down. That's a striking stat.
Yes, and except for the Lions all have won divisions, hosted playoff games and had a chance at one time or another.
The point of eight 4-team divisions was to give everyone a shot. Then you look at the AFC East, Buffalo just won their first playoff game since 1995, Miami has appeared in two this century and of course we now have a 10 year drought going.
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Even with Watson, we are light years from KC.
Honestly we're light years from being a serious playoff threat let alone the KC wheelhouse.
But I'd imagine KC will be faced with some very difficult decisions once Mahomes starts having a grownup cap hit and they have to figure out what to do with Tyreek Hill now that his domestic problems are presumably behind him and he's solidified his status as an elite offensive talent.
May even be compounded further by the potential cap crunch
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Honestly we're light years from being a serious playoff threat let alone the KC wheelhouse.
But I'd imagine KC will be faced with some very difficult decisions once Mahomes starts having a grownup cap hit and they have to figure out what to do with Tyreek Hill now that his domestic problems are presumably behind him and he's solidified his status as an elite offensive talent.
May even be compounded further by the potential cap crunch
With Watson and a good off-season it's entirely possible we're a playoff team in 2021. Especially if they keep the 7 team format. We've had big swings before.
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With Watson and a good off-season it's entirely possible we're a playoff team in 2021. Especially if they keep the 7 team format. We've had big swings before.
Sure but the Watson trade is still a pipedream at this point
And while we'd probably be a potential playoff team, we're not going to be a serious contender like say the Bills Ravens Steelers or Browns could be.
I think any team can go from trash to a playoff team fairly quickly. But being a serious threat that can win multiple playoff games, that's a bit more challenging.
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Sure but the Watson trade is still a pipedream at this point
And while we'd probably be a potential playoff team, we're not going to be a serious contender like say the Bills Ravens Steelers or Browns could be.
I think any team can go from trash to a playoff team fairly quickly. But being a serious threat that can win multiple playoff games, that's a bit more challenging.
what are you basing this on?
We have a new coaching regime, there's gonna be roster turnover, we're probably getting a new QB, etc etc.
There's so many new variables being introduced into the equation, nobody knows what this team will be (especially in january). SF went from picking #2 to a Super Bowl the following year.
Plus, i'm not convinced you even watch the games.
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what are you basing this on?
We have a new coaching regime, there's gonna be roster turnover, we're probably getting a new QB, etc etc.
There's so many new variables being introduced into the equation, nobody knows what this team will be (especially in january). SF went from picking #2 to a Super Bowl the following year.
Plus, i'm not convinced you even watch the games.
I'm basing it almost entirely on our QB situation.
Watson completely changes things but we don't even know if he's going to be traded and the countless other variables involved
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I'm basing it almost entirely on our QB situation.
Watson completely changes things but we don't even know if he's going to be traded and the countless other variables involved
You realize this team can still win and be a contender without Watson, right?
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You realize this team can still win and be a contender without Watson, right?
Of course
But should we be expecting the team to be a serious contender in the next two seasons?
3 to 4 any team can completely change, but that's a big jump
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Of course
But should we be expecting the team to be a serious contender in the next two seasons?
3 to 4 any team can completely change, but that's a big jump
Of course it's a big jump. But it's completely attainable.
I believe we finally have the FO and HC to take us there. Let's revisit this convo after the draft.
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Of course
But should we be expecting the team to be a serious contender in the next two seasons?
3 to 4 any team can completely change, but that's a big jump
I'm saying it shouldn't be a shock if we are. Not that I'm expecting it.
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Nobody should be light years from anything in today's NFL. If you don't draft a bunch of stiffs and hire a clueless coach you're right in the mix, we've just not been able to do that.
Realistically, KC could be set up for a few years but they're not going on a Patriots like run. Reid isn't sticking around 20 years, Mahomes already doesn't look as durable as Brady was, and all their current weapons aren't going to last forever. Long term dynasties are few and far between, in 45+ years of watching the NFL I can name the Cowboys from the late 60s to mid 80s, 49ers from the early 80s to mid 90s and Patriots from 2001-2019.
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A lot of discussion happening in an irrelevant player’s thread.
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A lot of discussion happening in an irrelevant player’s thread.
Fittingly the discussion has moved on from the player, which is why it's still going.
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We'd be a lock for next year's playoffs if we kept Bell.
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We'd be a lock for next year's playoffs if we kept Bell.
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say wha'?
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All Gas No Brake brother
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Le'Veon Bell said he signed with the Chiefs in October because he wouldn't get a significant workload.
Bell said he seriously considered signing with the Dolphins but wanted "to go somewhere where I can still have my body and still help the team win." In Miami, Bell figured he'd see far more touches than in KC's loaded offense. "That’s what separated the Dolphins and the Chiefs. I felt like if I went to the Dolphins, I would have done a little more," Bell added. "It’s hard even trying to explain it."
Yeah, bro - you're toast and you want more money, it's a pretty simple explanation.
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https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1403833854457176074?s=19
Lololol
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Thread title continues to be a contradiction.
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https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1403833854457176074?s=19
Lololol
In his defense he will likely retire before playing for most of the coaches out there ever (again?)
Dudes washed out, unless a playoff team gets devastated by injuries in November/December who the freak would go near him?
He's even too toxic to mentor young in
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I can't wait until Adam Gase is fired, so we can have some rational football talk on this board again.
Le'Veon Bell got $28M from the Jets to average 3.3 yards per carry. He showed up out of shape year 1. Year 2, he immediately got hurt and then got out of dodge.
He is one of the worst free agent signings in Jets history. That isn't even debatable.
Still holds true.
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https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1435373806604853249?s=19
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He sucks
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How the mighty have fallen. Practice squad.
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I'm surprised he wouldn't retire instead of being on a freaking practice squad
Dude is done, just retire
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Why is this in the Jets forum?
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Once again, he’s washed
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Once again, he’s washed
Yeah but who cares?
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1435649819406741513
Trenton Cannon got a roster spot over Le'Veon Bell.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1435649819406741513
Trenton Cannon got a roster spot over Le'Veon Bell.
that Ty'son Williams kid will play over both Bell and Cannon.
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Gus Edwards likely torn ACL.
We might actually see if Bell has anything left.
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Gus Edwards likely torn ACL.
We might actually see if Bell has anything left.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1436057084416733189
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Gus Edwards likely torn ACL.
We might actually see if Bell has anything left.
Marcus Peters too....went down the very next play after the Gus Bus. This is Ty'son Williams' team now, Bell will probably be the back up.
Did the Ravens hire Adam Gase or something? #lasereyes
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Marcus Peters too....went down the very next play after the Gus Bus. This is Ty'son Williams' team now, Bell will probably be the back up.
Did the Ravens hire Adam Gase or something? #lasereyes
Send them Josh Adams for a 1st rounder.
Seriously, if you have to get destroyed at a position, it could be a whole lot worse than RB. Make this CB, OL, or LB and you are fucked.
Hell, they have a RB at QB anyway.
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Send them Josh Adams for a 1st rounder.
Seriously, if you have to get destroyed at a position, it could be a whole lot worse than RB. Make this CB, OL, or LB and you are fucked.
Hell, they have a RB at QB anyway.
They lost their CB1 too.
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Marcus Peters too....went down the very next play after the Gus Bus. This is Ty'son Williams' team now, Bell will probably be the back up.
Did the Ravens hire Adam Gase or something? #lasereyes
Maybe Gase taught Bell the voodoo magic.
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I fully expect the Ravens to rush for 200 yards this week because it doesn't make sense.
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Here's a thing that happened
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1568831679355125760 (https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1568831679355125760)
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Here's a thing that happened
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1568831679355125760 (https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1568831679355125760)
Wait are LeVeon Ball, Adrian Peterson and Frank Gore all professional boxers now?
Do they just want to make sure they have no brain cells left?
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https://onlyfans.com/leveonbell
Maccagnan about to go bankrupt