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Title: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2018, 04:57:34 PM
Defensive Ends:

Nick Bosa – Ohio State
Brian Burns – Florida State
Montez Sweat – Mississippi State
Clelin Ferrell - Clemson
Charles Omenihu - Texas

Defensive Tackles:

Ed Oliver – Houston
Quinnen Williams - Alabama
Dexter Lawrence - Clemson
Christian Wilkins - Clemson
Jeffrey Simmons – Mississippi State

Hybrids:

Nick Bosa – Ohio State
Josh Allen – Kentucky
Brian Burns - Florida State
Clelin Ferrell – Clemson
Montez Sweat - Mississippi State

Linebackers:

Devin White – LSU
Devin Bush - Michigan
Mack Wilson - Alabama
Vosean Joseph - Florida
Blake Cashman - Minnesota

Corners:

Greedy Williams – LSU
Amani Oruwariye - Penn State
Byron Murphy - Washington
Trayvon Mullen - Clemson
Justin Layne - Michigan State

Safeties:

Darnell Savage - Maryland
Nasir Adderley - Delaware
Taylor Rapp - Washington
Deionte Thompson – Alabama
Chauncey Gardner-Johnson - Florida

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Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2018, 04:59:23 PM
Devin White is the best player in college football, in my opinion.  He should be a Heisman finalist.

Freakish talent at linebacker.

If the majority of the underclassmen declare, this will be the best defensive draft class I've ever seen.  There's an elite prospect at every position.  Defensive Line is absolutely loaded. 

This is the year we could finally get our pass rusher. 
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Johnny English on October 27, 2018, 05:38:09 PM
How do you not have Rashan Gary on there?
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2018, 05:46:59 PM
How do you not have Rashan Gary on there?

Because the other guys are better.  That's how good this group is. 
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Johnny English on October 27, 2018, 05:49:09 PM
Because the other guys are better.  That's how good this group is. 

Ferrell's the guy I've seen most as I seem to get every Clemson game, and he's terrific.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2018, 05:54:01 PM
Ferrell's the guy I've seen most as I seem to get every Clemson game, and he's terrific.

Every player on Clemson's defensive line could go in the first round, but they won't. 

I never thought I'd have a top five list without Christian Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence, but it's such a great class.

Alabama and Clemson have unreal DL talent.

There's a mid-major EDGE prospect named Sutton Smith that plays at Northern Illinois.  He's amazing and will probably be an All-American, but he is not even top ten prospect as a pass rusher on paper because of his measurables.  Someone will get a good one with him as well. 
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Johnny English on October 27, 2018, 05:58:41 PM
Every player on Clemson's defensive line could go in the first round, but they won't. 

I never thought I'd have a top five list without Christian Wilkins and Dexter Lawrence, but it's such a great class.

Alabama and Clemson have unreal DL talent.

There's a mid-major EDGE prospect named Sutton Smith that plays at Northern Illinois.  He's amazing and will probably be an All-American, but he is not even top ten prospect as a pass rusher on paper because of his measurables.  Someone will get a good one with him as well. 

Let me go the other way and tell you who I think is criminally overrated - Chase Winovich. The pundits seem to be in love with him and I've seen him projected as a potential first round pick, but I don't see it. A good motor and a smiley post game interview style does not make for a first round pick, IMO. Someone's going to freak up on him.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on October 27, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
Let me go the other way and tell you who I think is criminally overrated - Chase Winovich. The pundits seem to be in love with him and I've seen him projected as a potential first round pick, but I don't see it. A good motor and a smiley post game interview style does not make for a first round pick, IMO. Someone's going to freak up on him.

I don't like him.  He's not athletic and he's slow.  Hopefully the Pats* draft him.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2018, 07:17:03 PM
Give me Farrell or Burns
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on November 03, 2018, 10:54:50 PM
Quinnen Williams was absolutely dominant against LSU
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 04, 2018, 06:59:37 AM
Quinnen Williams was absolutely dominant against LSU

Top 5 pick, probably a top 3 pick, and is coming for Ed Oliver’s derriere
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 17, 2018, 11:43:20 PM
Started watching some highlights of the top edge rushers yesterday. No real takeaways (other than Josh Allen and Jachai Polite are fast as hell, and Clelin Ferrell is really, really good).

However, Polite's Twitter handle is @RetireMoms which would be the best Twitter handle for a Jets draft pick since Sheldon Richardson's @GodForShort.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on December 18, 2018, 12:17:13 AM
Started watching some highlights of the top edge rushers yesterday. No real takeaways (other than Josh Allen and Jachai Polite are fast as hell, and Clelin Ferrell is really, really good).

However, Polite's Twitter handle is @RetireMoms which would be the best Twitter handle for a Jets draft pick since Sheldon Richardson's @GodForShort.

I think we're going to end up with Josh Allen.

Josh Allen sacking Josh Allen for the next few years? 
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 18, 2018, 12:42:40 AM
I think we're going to end up with Josh Allen.

Josh Allen sacking Josh Allen for the next few years? 
In theory, I love the idea of Josh Allen. Closest thing we've had to John Abraham since we traded him. And every time I saw Kentucky this season, he was making huge plays in key spots, which is always good to see.

Watching the highlight film, I was a little less impressed because on several of the so-called highlights, he literally wasn't touched. But it was a highlight film, so it certainly wasn't any deep dive. And it's easy to create a highlight when you aren't blocked. Looking forward to watching some of the "all plays" breakdowns over the next few months.

Last year, I pretty much only watched QB films. This year, I look forward to watching the edge rushers and some of the OL like Williams, Edwards and Cajuste.

That said, there are some decent WRs in this draft, too. Not sure any are worthy of top-5 picks, but I like N'Keal Harry a lot.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on December 18, 2018, 12:53:11 AM
In theory, I love the idea of Josh Allen. Closest thing we've had to John Abraham since we traded him. And every time I saw Kentucky this season, he was making huge plays in key spots, which is always good to see.

What's starting to separate Allen from guys like Ferrell, Polite, Sweat, and Burns is his ability to drop and move around in the open field.  For a dude his size, he has some insane closing speed and coverage ability. 

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Last year, I pretty much only watched QB films. This year, I look forward to watching the edge rushers and some of the OL like Williams, Edwards and Cajuste.

OT is cloudy for me.  I need to see if Jawaan Taylor is the real deal.  That kid is the top tackle in this class if he can move at all. 

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That said, there are some decent WRs in this draft, too. Not sure any are worthy of top-5 picks, but I like N'Keal Harry a lot.

I like Harry a lot, but I prefer DK Metcalf and Hakeem Butler right now.  Antoine Wesley is really intriguing too. 
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 18, 2018, 04:13:51 PM
I really want Hakeem Butler on this team. I just don't see any way that happens unless we trade down in the 1st to recoup a 2nd.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on December 18, 2018, 11:52:17 PM
I've watched a lot of OT and OLB cut-ups tonight.  I want Josh Allen on this team over every player in this draft besides Nick Bosa. 

Difference maker.  He creates havoc.  He can defend the run, drop into coverage, and generate a ton of pressure off the edge. 
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on December 18, 2018, 11:53:29 PM
I love Jachai Polite as a pass rushing prospect, but Josh Allen has more production and way better measurables. 
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 19, 2018, 06:25:20 PM
I love Jachai Polite as a pass rushing prospect, but Josh Allen has more production and way better measurables. 
Watched a little bit of Polite today. Looks like a freakish athlete, but there have been several times where he's failed to hold up on the edge. Allen is a much safer every-down OLB. He drops back in coverage and holds his own. Polite seems to be more of a one-trick pony in that if he's not pinning his ears back and going after the QB, he's not nearly as good. He's great at pass rushing, but Allen is better at everything else.

Really curious how the NFL combine goes for these guys. Edge rusher is a spot where I think the combine matters more than most positions.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on December 19, 2018, 10:17:23 PM
My dude Sutton Smith declared

Mid-round gold
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Gorilla on December 20, 2018, 11:55:33 AM
I've watched a lot of OT and OLB cut-ups tonight.  I want Josh Allen on this team over every player in this draft besides Nick Bosa. 

Difference maker.  He creates havoc.  He can defend the run, drop into coverage, and generate a ton of pressure off the edge.

I've also been on board with this for a few weeks (admittedly way too early, and will likely change a dozen times).

For the Jets, and assuming we have a top 5 pick, Bosa right now is my #1 target on his own tier.
 He's followed in a little tier consisting of JAllen and best OT who perhaps rises to level of top-5-pick during draft process/combine (Jonah or GLittle).
That's followed by a tier consisting of best available edge rusher (Polite, maybe Ferrell) and Greedy Williams.

Gun to my head, and I have to bet right now on who we get....Josh Allen or OT. Any DC will drool over Allen's versatility and skillset.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 20, 2018, 12:10:00 PM
Honest question, say the Jets sign Jadeveon Clowney in free agency pre-draft. Then Bosa and/or Allen are on the board whenever the Jets pick in the draft. Do you guys still take one of them, trade down, or go with a player on the offensive side of the ball?
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: MBGreen on December 20, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
Honest question, say the Jets sign Jadeveon Clowney in free agency pre-draft. Then Bosa and/or Allen are on the board whenever the Jets pick in the draft. Do you guys still take one of them, trade down, or go with a player on the offensive side of the ball?

I think trade down should be the option no matter what happens in FA.....we don't have a 2019 2nd rd pick
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Johnny English on December 20, 2018, 12:23:54 PM
Honest question, say the Jets sign Jadeveon Clowney in free agency pre-draft. Then Bosa and/or Allen are on the board whenever the Jets pick in the draft. Do you guys still take one of them, trade down, or go with a player on the offensive side of the ball?

There is next to zero chance that Clowney doesn't sign a long term deal or get tagged by Houston.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 20, 2018, 12:43:39 PM
There is next to zero chance that Clowney doesn't sign a long term deal or get tagged by Houston.

I should have been a little more clear. I only mentioned Clowney because he's fresh in my mind from this past week.

There are a number of pass-rushing threats that will become available when free agency starts, assuming the Jets get one of them--Clowney or otherwise--what should the Jets do?
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Johnny English on December 20, 2018, 12:47:58 PM
I should have been a little more clear. I only mentioned Clowney because he's fresh in my mind from this past week.

There are a number of pass-rushing threats that will become available when free agency starts, assuming the Jets get one of them--Clowney or otherwise--what should the Jets do?

Trade down depends upon what's on offer. I still don't think I'd want us to pass up a blue chip defensive player to overreach for a tackle though.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Jumbo on December 20, 2018, 01:25:07 PM
Honest question, say the Jets sign Jadeveon Clowney in free agency pre-draft. Then Bosa and/or Allen are on the board whenever the Jets pick in the draft. Do you guys still take one of them, trade down, or go with a player on the offensive side of the ball?

You can never have enough pass rushers in today's NFL, but trading down is going to always be my top pick as long as we get adequate compensation for it since we're missing that 2nd rounder. We have too many holes to not want as many chances to fill them as possible.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on January 28, 2019, 10:17:24 PM
Starting to put way more focus into watching 4-3 defenders now that Gregg Williams is our DC.

Texas DE Charles Omenihu is outstanding.  He has elite size and pass rushing traits.  I think we could see him sneak into the backend of the first round if he has a solid combine. 

Florida LB Vosean Joseph would be a good fit here.  New Mexico State S/LB Terrill Hanks is another Cover 2 type backer that I really like.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2019, 08:27:23 AM
Starting to put way more focus into watching 4-3 defenders now that Gregg Williams is our DC.

Texas DE Charles Omenihu is outstanding.  He has elite size and pass rushing traits.  I think we could see him sneak into the backend of the first round if he has a solid combine. 

Florida LB Vosean Joseph would be a good fit here.  New Mexico State S/LB Terrill Hanks is another Cover 2 type backer that I really like.

Does Josh Allen fit into a 4-3 scheme?   There's a chance Q.Williams and Bosa could be taken ahead of our pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on January 29, 2019, 09:52:11 AM
Does Josh Allen fit into a 4-3 scheme?   There's a chance Q.Williams and Bosa could be taken ahead of our pick.

In a 4-3, I’d prefer Clelin Ferrell over Josh Allen.

Ed Oliver is also intriguing.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: MBGreen on January 29, 2019, 09:59:45 AM
In a 4-3, I’d prefer Clelin Ferrell over Josh Allen.

Ed Oliver is also intriguing.

As much as Q.Williams would be a good pick for us, i'd like to get a DE that can rush the passer. 

I'll beat this drum right up until the end of april, i really hope we can trade back.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Gorilla on January 29, 2019, 10:48:02 AM
As much as Q.Williams would be a good pick for us, i'd like to get a DE that can rush the passer. 

I'll beat this drum right up until the end of april, i really hope we can trade back.

After Bosa (an elite 4-3 DE prospect), Ferrell is probably the best pure 4-3 end.

Strictly as a pass-rusher, Polite would be a great fit too, and he’s likely a better athlete than Clelin. He’s basically Cujo let loose on the qb...that’s his main function.
Ferrell is more well-rounded, and had top consistent production. Always gets the job done, rushing the passer and setting the edge. Probably my favorite target if we trade down to 7-10 area.
I still prefer Quinnen over Ferrell or Polite, though, as he looks like such a special, game-wrecking prospect.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Libero_2 on February 04, 2019, 09:38:19 PM
So prospect question

Chris Slayton DT Syracuse

I watch every Cuse game and I have watched this guy dominate week in and week out. He does the dirty work on the inside taking on constant double teams so that the DEs can get 1 on 1 chances and rack up the sacks. He is capable of pushing the pocket at times. He’s a 4-3 only guy in my eyes.

My question is where does he fall as a prospect in this class that’s loaded on the DL? I think he will end up as a 4th rounder, but I’m biased towards him. What do other people think? I would be plenty happy bypassing a top DT and filling another slot at the top and adding a guy like Slayton later on.

The last Cuse DT that was drafted, Jay Bromley, was a 3rd rounder by the Giants. I thought he was over drafted at the time, and I firmly believe that Slayton is much better than Bromley was.

What do people think about him?
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 06, 2019, 07:59:17 AM
There’s 3 elite prospects in this draft:

Bosa
Quinnen
Josh Allen


We should take 1 of those 3
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 06, 2019, 09:43:05 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1093170044115259398
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on February 06, 2019, 10:39:11 AM
There’s 3 elite prospects in this draft:

Bosa
Quinnen
Josh Allen


We should take 1 of those 3

I’m not so sure Josh Allen is an elite prospect
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 06, 2019, 02:12:22 PM
I’m not so sure Josh Allen is an elite prospect

I think he’s behind Bosa/Quinnen, but in terms of EDGE prospects to come out in the last 5 or so years, I would put him at the bottom of that elite tier. Not many guys I can think of that I would put over Allen after Von Miller, Clowney, Bosa, Mack, etc.  Combine will be huge for him to cement his status.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 06, 2019, 02:16:01 PM
Right now Nick Bosa is the only player in the draft that I would be mad that we passed on (unless it’s for a monster trade down). There are reasons/arguments to be made against Quinnen/Allen, but I don’t think there are any against Bosa.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Johnny English on February 06, 2019, 02:18:10 PM
I’m not so sure Josh Allen is an elite prospect

Is the Citrus Bowl really that long ago?
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on February 06, 2019, 05:26:33 PM
I think he’s behind Bosa/Quinnen, but in terms of EDGE prospects to come out in the last 5 or so years, I would put him at the bottom of that elite tier. Not many guys I can think of that I would put over Allen after Von Miller, Clowney, Bosa, Mack, etc.  Combine will be huge for him to cement his status.

Clelin Ferrell might be a better EDGE prospect than Josh Allen. 
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 07, 2019, 08:24:32 AM
Clelin Ferrell might be a better EDGE prospect than Josh Allen. 

I can see an argument for Ferrell as a better traditional 4-3 DE, but I think Allen has elite player type upside and I would rather have him at 3. I do think Allen is a better fit for the 3-4, and a lot of my strong opinion of him was formed while watching him while we still ran a 3-4.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 07, 2019, 08:32:30 AM
McShay has Josh Allen going 2 to 49ers in his 2.0 mock release today. Has him listed as an OLB, but comments on his position below.

“The Niners really want an edge rusher after only DeForest Buckner cracked six sacks for them in 2018 (Buckner had 12). Allen blew up offensive linemen all season en route to 17 sacks and 21.5 tackles for loss (TFL) for the Wildcats. With his big 6-foot-5, 260-pound frame, Allen could line up as a defensive end in the 49ers' 4-3 scheme if he tacks on some more weight.”


I don’t see any reason why whichever team drafts Allen can’t use him the same way that OAK used Khalil Mack in his All Pro DE/OLB season. Allen might be better at dropping into coverage.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Gorilla on February 07, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
I can see an argument for Ferrell as a better traditional 4-3 DE, but I think Allen has elite player type upside and I would rather have him at 3. I do think Allen is a better fit for the 3-4, and a lot of my strong opinion of him was formed while watching him while we still ran a 3-4.

This is my thinking as well.
Allen has fantastic upside and versatility, while Ferrell has a high, safe floor as a plug-an-play professional 4-3 end.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 08, 2019, 09:24:02 AM
Random observation:

When looking at EDGE players, once you get past the first 3 rounds and the premium prospects, it looks like a lot of the best mid round guys are in the 240-260 lb range and appear likely to be best suited to 3-4 OLB roles.

For example: Maxx Crosby, Jalen Jelks, DAndre Walker, Shareef Miller, Brailford, Granderson

I have Austin Bryant and Anthony Nelson as solid 4-3 DE prospects, but they could could go in rounds 3/4 if there’s a big run on EDGE guys. Conversely we might be able to score a guy like Joe Jackson/Zach Allen/Omenihu in round 3 if they get pushed down due to the depth of the class.



TLDR- Can any of the guys I mentioned “for example” play DE in our scheme? Help me out with some 4-3 defensive end prospects that can be had in rounds 3-5.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on February 08, 2019, 09:50:29 AM
Omenihu is a serious sleeper to rise up into the first two rounds.

Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Laxin on February 09, 2019, 06:46:02 PM
Thoughts on Brian Burns? Idk if I should be worried about his weight, but the dude can rush the passer. He'll probably light up the combine.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2019, 06:59:04 PM
Thoughts on Brian Burns? Idk if I should be worried about his weight, but the dude can rush the passer. He'll probably light up the combine.


I’m concerned about his weight as well but we do have to take into account that he’s a freak. His frame should allow for him to get up into the 240s+ with a year or 2 in an NFL weight training program. Some guys just have that inherent skill to get to the QB and Burns is absolutley one of those guys. He might have the best bend out of any EDGE rusher in this class.

I’ve struggled to find a comp for him so far, the two I have- Von Miller and Vic Beasley- don’t really feel like they fit his game too well. Anyways, both of those guys weighed in at the combine at 246.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Laxin on February 09, 2019, 08:22:15 PM
I’m concerned about his weight as well but we do have to take into account that he’s a freak. His frame should allow for him to get up into the 240s+ with a year or 2 in an NFL weight training program. Some guys just have that inherent skill to get to the QB and Burns is absolutley one of those guys. He might have the best bend out of any EDGE rusher in this class.

I’ve struggled to find a comp for him so far, the two I have- Von Miller and Vic Beasley- don’t really feel like they fit his game too well. Anyways, both of those guys weighed in at the combine at 246.

I agree he might have the best bend out of the group. Might be the most athletic as well, and he's crazy long. If he played around 250+ I think he might be in the discussion for our pick.

I can't really think of a comp... maybe Randy Gregory?
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2019, 08:26:25 PM
I agree he might have the best bend out of the group. Might be the most athletic as well, and he's crazy long. If he played around 250+ I think he might be in the discussion for out pick.

I can't really think of a comp... maybe Randy Gregory?

Gregory is a great comp, body type wise.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 09, 2019, 09:37:03 PM
Aaron Maybin
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 09, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
Aaron Maybin

Maybin was the Gholston of speed rushers. Guy had no athleticism or instincts. He had 1 move that he wasn’t even good at
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: insanity on February 09, 2019, 10:22:18 PM
Maybin was the Gholston of speed rushers. Guy had no athleticism or instincts. He had 1 move that he wasn’t even good at
No athleticism?
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2019, 12:14:31 AM
No athleticism?

He was very fast in a straight line. So was gholston for his size. Both were allergic to getting blocked
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 27, 2019, 06:06:16 AM
https://twitter.com/nfl/status/1100561605098500097

Jamal on LSU Campus with Greedy Williams. Tiger pit is dope, First Round Board is dope
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2019, 06:11:36 PM
I’m concerned about his weight as well but we do have to take into account that he’s a freak. His frame should allow for him to get up into the 240s+ with a year or 2 in an NFL weight training program. Some guys just have that inherent skill to get to the QB and Burns is absolutley one of those guys. He might have the best bend out of any EDGE rusher in this class.

I’ve struggled to find a comp for him so far, the two I have- Von Miller and Vic Beasley- don’t really feel like they fit his game too well. Anyways, both of those guys weighed in at the combine at 246.

• Brian Burns
HT: 6-4 6/8
WT: 249
Hand: 10
Arm: 33 7/8


I was not expecting this
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on March 01, 2019, 06:21:44 PM
• Brian Burns
HT: 6-4 6/8
WT: 249
Hand: 10
Arm: 33 7/8


I was not expecting this

If he performs well, we could see him slide into the Top 10.

His biggest competition is probably Polite. 
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 10:22:48 AM
I’m concerned about his weight as well but we do have to take into account that he’s a freak. His frame should allow for him to get up into the 240s+ with a year or 2 in an NFL weight training program. Some guys just have that inherent skill to get to the QB and Burns is absolutley one of those guys. He might have the best bend out of any EDGE rusher in this class.

I’ve struggled to find a comp for him so far, the two I have- Von Miller and Vic Beasley- don’t really feel like they fit his game too well. Anyways, both of those guys weighed in at the combine at 246.

https://mobile.twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1102239958000033793
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2019, 06:17:16 PM
Nick Bosa 29 reps 4.79 33.5" VJ 9'8" BJ 7.10 3cone 4.14 SS

Joey Bosa 24 reps 4.86 32" VJ 10' BJ 6.89 3cone 4.21 SS
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Libero_2 on March 03, 2019, 07:01:33 PM
Nick Bosa 29 reps 4.79 33.5" VJ 9'8" BJ 7.10 3cone 4.14 SS

Joey Bosa 24 reps 4.86 32" VJ 10' BJ 6.89 3cone 4.21 SS

So what you are saying is that Nick is stronger, slightly faster but not quite as agile as Joey was when he came out?

Sign me up man. We would all take that cornerstone if he was available to us
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: insanity on April 23, 2019, 08:23:58 AM
I'm getting nervous about Josh Allen knowing that he's kind of a one trick pony from a pass rush perspective.  Did guys like Khalil Mack and Von Miller have inside/counter moves coming out of college?
I'm starting to feel like the better comp is Dante Fowler, Vic Beasley, Aaron Maybin, Bud Dupree, Dee Ford
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 23, 2019, 08:45:05 AM
From @gmfb: #Michigan DL Rashan Gary’s labrum tear has teams doing extra homework on his shoulder. Most believe he can put off surgery for a year.


Hopefully this take him off our board
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Gorilla on April 23, 2019, 10:36:37 AM
From @gmfb: #Michigan DL Rashan Gary’s labrum tear has teams doing extra homework on his shoulder. Most believe he can put off surgery for a year.


Hopefully this take him off our board

I wouldn't count on it, considering Gary is the Christian hackenberg of d-line prospects.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: reuben on April 23, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
I'm getting nervous about Josh Allen knowing that he's kind of a one trick pony from a pass rush perspective.  Did guys like Khalil Mack and Von Miller have inside/counter moves coming out of college?
I'm starting to feel like the better comp is Dante Fowler, Vic Beasley, Aaron Maybin, Bud Dupree, Dee Ford

I think Aldon Smith is a pretty fair comparison, with a little Akeem Ayers sprinkled in, off ball.  Smith had a raw rush repertoire coming into the league. 
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: reuben on April 23, 2019, 11:24:06 AM
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Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2019, 11:41:51 AM
Akeem Ayers is a great comparison
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Johnny English on April 23, 2019, 11:44:22 AM
Akeem Ayers is a great comparison

You're not really selling him as a prospect for the #3 pick with that. If you want Akeem Ayers you can have him, he's a free agent who has already had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus and he isn't even 30 yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2019, 11:54:31 AM
You're not really selling him as a prospect for the #3 pick with that. If you want Akeem Ayers you can have him, he's a free agent who has already had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus and he isn't even 30 yet.

I’m not trying to sell him as a prospect.

I prefer Williams, Oliver, Metcalf, Burns, and Taylor over Allen.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Johnny English on April 23, 2019, 12:04:54 PM
I’m not trying to sell him as a prospect.

I prefer Williams, Oliver, Metcalf, Burns, and Taylor over Allen.

I know. I was saying that I think you're being a little harsh on Allen - Ayers was never really that much of a pass rushing threat. Allen had more sacks last year than Ayers had in his entire college career.
Title: Re: 2019 Jet Defensive Rankings
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
I know. I was saying that I think you're being a little harsh on Allen - Ayers was never really that much of a pass rushing threat. Allen had more sacks last year than Ayers had in his entire college career.

I don’t care very much about production in college.

Neither player is a true pass rusher.  They are do-it-all off ball LBs.