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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: MBGreen on October 09, 2018, 09:27:39 AM
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-mock-draft-giants-finally-move-on-from-eli-manning-dolphins-find-ryan-tannehills-replacement/
the article has the Jets picking 8th, and taking WR D.K. Metcalf.
I'm not opposed to getting Darnold more weapons, but i would think protecting him would be more necessary.
IMO, order of necessity would be as follows: OL/PassRusher/OffenseSkillPositions/CB
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At 8, there isn’t a tackle worth drafting in that spot.
As of right now, Metcalf would be BPA.
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At 8, there isn’t a tackle worth drafting in that spot.
As of right now, Metcalf would be BPA.
that's what i was afraid of.
I really think we need to load up on the hogs this year.
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What happened to Christian Wilkins?
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What happened to Christian Wilkins?
Nothing. He’s still good.
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1: R1P4 - EDGE JACHAI POLITE - FLORIDA
2: R3P4 - OT DAVID EDWARDS - WISCONSIN
3: R3P31 - WR HAKEEM BUTLER - IOWA STATE
4: R4P4 - TE JACE STERNBERGER - TEXAS A&M
5: R5P4 - WR MARQUISE "HOLLYWOOD" BROWN - OKLAHOMA
6: R7P4 - OT CALVIN ANDERSON - TEXAS
#FireDuff
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^ sign me up
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1: R1P4 - EDGE JACHAI POLITE - FLORIDA
2: R3P4 - OT DAVID EDWARDS - WISCONSIN
3: R3P31 - WR HAKEEM BUTLER - IOWA STATE
4: R4P4 - TE JACE STERNBERGER - TEXAS A&M
5: R5P4 - WR MARQUISE "HOLLYWOOD" BROWN - OKLAHOMA
6: R7P4 - OT CALVIN ANDERSON - TEXAS
#FireDuff
Yo, Polite was a monster vs FSU.
As of now, pre-combine, I'd be pleased with him or Josh Allen in the top 4-7.
I don't see a LT or WR worth drafting that high, again as of today.
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If we end up picking in the top 5, I think we almost definitely need to be looking down to try to recoup a 2nd rounder or just add some more assets. There's still a ton of holes on the team and outside of Bosa being around at our pick I think there's likely to be a bunch of players in a similar skill band that would fill a need for us available at picks 4-5.
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If we end up picking in the top 5, I think we almost definitely need to be looking down to try to recoup a 2nd rounder or just add some more assets. There's still a ton of holes on the team and outside of Bosa being around at our pick I think there's likely to be a bunch of players in a similar skill band that would fill a need for us available at picks 4-5.
Agree, for sure.
It's such an uncommonly rich pass-rusher draft, we could be looking at the same tier of player from #2 to like #12 (minus Bosa like you said). Not to mention non-passrushers like Jonah Williams, N'Keal harry, etc.
Obvious best case scenario is someone looking to trade up for a QB.
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3: R1P3
EDGE NICK BOSA
OHIO STATE
67: R3P3
WR MARQUISE BROWN
OKLAHOMA
95: R3P31
CB KRISTIAN FULTON
LSU
105: R4P3
G NATE HERBIG
STANFORD
142: R5P3
RB RODNEY ANDERSON
OKLAHOMA
219: R7P3
LB DRE GREENLAW
ARK
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It’s lit
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So it begins
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Mel Kiper's Top 10
1.) Cardinals: N. Bosa
2.) 49ers: J. Allen
3.) Jets: Q. Williams
4.) Raiders: G. Williams
5.) Buccaneers: J. Williams
6.) Giants: D. Haskins
7.) Jaguars: C. Ford
8.) Lions: D. White
9.) Bills: R. Gary
10.) Broncos: D. Baker
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Mel Kiper's Top 10
1.) Cardinals: N. Bosa
2.) 49ers: J. Allen
3.) Jets: Q. Williams
4.) Raiders: G. Williams
5.) Buccaneers: J. Williams
6.) Giants: D. Haskins
7.) Jaguars: C. Ford
8.) Lions: D. White
9.) Bills: R. Gary
10.) Broncos: D. Baker
Can't wait to draft an interior DLman again
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Mel Kiper's Top 10
1.) Cardinals: N. Bosa
2.) 49ers: J. Allen
3.) Jets: Q. Williams
4.) Raiders: G. Williams
5.) Buccaneers: J. Williams
6.) Giants: D. Haskins
7.) Jaguars: C. Ford
8.) Lions: D. White
9.) Bills: R. Gary
10.) Broncos: D. Baker
If Haskins is already being mocked top 10, chances are he goes higher than that.... hopefully it’s top 3
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Lock, Haskins, Jones and Murray all need to perform well during the pre-draft process.
Someone is going to trade up.
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this typically happens as the offseason/draft process move forwards. the one position that teams trade up or draft slightly overslot for is usually the QB position, and even in years where the QB prospects aren't top-notch, you'll still find QBs drafted in the top 5
there are QB - needy teams just outside the top 5 that may likely end up taking a QB with their pick. after the musical chairs of FA is done, whoever is left out is going to try and leapfrog those teams to try and get a man at QB. there will be a trade up into the top 5 somewhere. it could reasonably be with us
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3: R1P3 - DL QUINNEN WILLIAMS - ALABAMA
68: R3P4 - G CHRIS LINDSTROM - BOSTON COLLEGE
95: R3P31 - EDGE OSHANE XIMINES - ODU
105: R4P3 - WR HAKEEM BUTLER - IOWA STATE
141: R5P2 - C ERIK MCCOY - TEXAS A&M
219: R7P3 - LB JOE GILES-HARRIS - DUKE
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sign me the fvck up for hakeem butler in the 4th round
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3: R1P3 - DL QUINNEN WILLIAMS - ALABAMA
68: R3P4 - G CHRIS LINDSTROM - BOSTON COLLEGE
95: R3P31 - EDGE OSHANE XIMINES - ODU
105: R4P3 - WR HAKEEM BUTLER - IOWA STATE
141: R5P2 - C ERIK MCCOY - TEXAS A&M
219: R7P3 - LB JOE GILES-HARRIS - DUKE
I don’t understand this website
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I don’t understand this website
Right? There's no freaking way that OSHANE XIMINES is a real person.
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Can't wait to draft an interior DLman again
This post gave me indigestion.
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3: R1P3 OT JONAH WILLIAMS ALABAMA
68: R3P4 RB DAMIEN HARRIS ALABAMA
93: R3P29 C ELGTON JENKINS MISSISSIPPI STATE
105: R4P3 CB KRIS BOYD TEXAS
141: R5P2 EDGE JONATHAN LEDBETTER GEORGIA
219: R7P3 OT ISAIAH PRINCE OHIO STATE
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Can’t get behind drafting Jonah Williams at 3.
In a trade back scenario, maybe...but he just isn’t an elite prospect.
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I’m hoping that Taylor becomes that elite tackle prospect for us to consider
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Can’t get behind drafting Jonah Williams at 3.
In a trade back scenario, maybe...but he just isn’t an elite prospect.
Same here.
I feel like I've said it a bunch, but Jonah is simply not, at this point in the process, an elite Jake Long/D'Brick-level tackle prospect.
We're a 4-12 team and don't have the luxury of "drafting for need". You take the BPA, the elite prospect, at #3.
Bosa, Quinnen, Josh allen, Ed Oliver are all superior prospects to consider at 3. We clearly want to surround Darnold with as much offensive talent and support as possible, but that doesn't excuse reaching for an offensive player with a premium draft pick. If we're able to trade down that's obviously a different story.
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Same here.
I feel like I've said it a bunch, but Jonah is simply not, at this point in the process, an elite Jake Long/D'Brick-level tackle prospect.
We're a 4-12 team and don't have the luxury of "drafting for need". You take the BPA, the elite prospect, at #3.
Bosa, Quinnen, Josh allen, Ed Oliver are all superior prospects to consider at 3. We clearly want to surround Darnold with as much offensive talent and support as possible, but that doesn't excuse reaching for an offensive player with a premium draft pick. If we're able to trade down that's obviously a different story.
See I think drafting BPA is the luxury. IMO the long term success of this team is going to depend on if - big if - we can protect the quarterback. If we get positively gashed by the run next season because we have no talent in the defensive interior, but our quarterback stays clean and healthy for 16 games, I'll be a lot more optimistic about our future than if Darnold ends the season on IR but we've got the next Aaron Donald.
Right now, a good left tackle is substantially more valuable to us than a great defensive tackle. I'd love to trade down to precisely the lowest spot we can get that tackle, but reaching won't bother me in the slightest.
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See I think drafting BPA is the luxury. IMO the long term success of this team is going to depend on if - big if - we can protect the quarterback. If we get positively gashed by the run next season because we have no talent in the defensive interior, but our quarterback stays clean and healthy for 16 games, I'll be a lot more optimistic about our future than if Darnold ends the season on IR but we've got the next Aaron Donald.
Right now, a good left tackle is substantially more valuable to us than a great defensive tackle. I'd love to trade down to precisely the lowest spot we can get that tackle, but reaching won't bother me in the slightest.
I totally get it...Darnold IS the franchise and the team seems to be moving forward with that mindset, which is awesome. I've coveted him since that Jan. 2017 Rose Bowl.
My point is, at 4-12 we have needs everywhere. The priority is to keep Darnold healthy, no doubt, but it should also be to stockpile talent, especially elite talent. If I was convinced that the difference between a healthy Darnold and an injured darnold is the difference between Jonah Williams and Beachum, I'd be more agreeable to what you're saying. I just don't think that's obviously the case.
We need talent, period. Skipping over the bluest of the blue-chip prospects to reach for "need", esp with a top 3 pick, is very short-term thinking imo. If Orlando pace was in this draft, yes, I'd sell my soul to draft him to protect Sam. Jonah Williams-types are available basically every draft. Nick Bosa or Quinnen types are more rare, and when they're available it's only to teams shitty enough to be picking in the top 3-5.
I do like Jonah Williams. If we trade down, yes, he (or whoever is considered the top OT at the time) will be someone I hope we get. I think this whole board agrees with trading down.
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See I think drafting BPA is the luxury. IMO the long term success of this team is going to depend on if - big if - we can protect the quarterback. If we get positively gashed by the run next season because we have no talent in the defensive interior, but our quarterback stays clean and healthy for 16 games, I'll be a lot more optimistic about our future than if Darnold ends the season on IR but we've got the next Aaron Donald.
Right now, a good left tackle is substantially more valuable to us than a great defensive tackle. I'd love to trade down to precisely the lowest spot we can get that tackle, but reaching won't bother me in the slightest.
Jonah Williams is not a good left tackle prospect. He is a solid guard. Not elite like Nelson or even DeCastro.
Jawaan Taylor and Andre Dillard are your top tackle prospects in this group. Taylor might eat his way out of that spot though.
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Jonah Williams is not a good left tackle prospect. He is a solid guard. Not elite like Nelson or even DeCastro.
Jawaan Taylor and Andre Dillard are your top tackle prospects in this group. Taylor might eat his way out of that spot though.
After an impressive weigh-in where his measurables were 6’4″, 308, Andre Dillard left a lot to be desired following the opening practice. Even though he weighed more than what many evaluators expected, he still showed that he needed to gain strength and add mass to his frame to hold up at the point of attack. His pass sets are fluid, but at the moment of truth, he constantly got pushed around. Dillard may be a prospect that improves as the week progresses, but his flaws were exposed a bit today.
@JReidNFL
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Montez Sweat and Deebo Samuel impressed today
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Montez Sweat Porn:
https://mobile.twitter.com/wurthdraft/status/1087813970478669824
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Montez Sweat checks in at 6’6 252 with arms that scrape his knees when he walks. Wingspan is 84 1/2 inches - that’s over 7 feet #NFLDraft
Info via @Mockdraftable: Montez Sweat’s 84 1/2 inch wingspan will come in as the longest for an EDGE prospect since NFL Combine information became readily available to the public in 1999 #NFLDraft:
Idk why I’m posting this in this particular thread #DraftSZN
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@JReidNFL
Sounds a lot like D'Brickashaw Ferguson coming into the NFL.
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Montez Sweat was overshadowed this year because the EDGE class is so strong. He is in that top ten mix and is really a perfect fit in Gregg Williams' scheme.
Clelin Ferrell vs. Montez Sweat
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Some of these edge guys will have to fall, making a trade down even more appealing.
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Montez Sweat was overshadowed this year because the EDGE class is so strong. He is in that top ten mix and is really a perfect fit in Gregg Williams' scheme.
Clelin Ferrell vs. Montez Sweat
I was reading this a lot yesterday, he has def entered the top 10 mix. He was always a lock for the first round, but he really looked the part yesterday. He has much better size/measurables than Polite and Burns
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3: R1P3 - EDGE CLELLIN FERRELL - CLEMSON
68: R3P4 - WR HAKEEM BUTLER - IOWA STATE
93: R3P29 - OT AARON MONTEIRO - BOSTON COLLEGE
105: R4P3 - WR D.K. METCALF - OLE MISS
141: R5P2 - C GARRETT BRADBURY - NORTH CAROLINA STATE
219: R7P3 - CB MOOK REYNOLDS - VIRGINIA TECH
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3: R1P3 - EDGE CLELLIN FERRELL - CLEMSON
68: R3P4 - WR HAKEEM BUTLER - IOWA STATE
93: R3P29 - OT AARON MONTEIRO - BOSTON COLLEGE
105: R4P3 - WR D.K. METCALF - OLE MISS
141: R5P2 - C GARRETT BRADBURY - NORTH CAROLINA STATE
219: R7P3 - CB MOOK REYNOLDS - VIRGINIA TECH
How did you get Metcalf that late?
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How did you get Metcalf that late?
one-handed magic
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one-handed magic
*fart noise*
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3: R1P3 DT QUINNEN WILLIAMS - ALABAMA
68: R3P4 OT/OG/C DALTON RISNER - KANSAS STATE
93: R3P29 WR HAKEEM BUTLER - IOWA STATE
105: R4P3 OT/OG MAX SCHARPING - NORTHERN ILLINOIS
141: R5P2 EDGE - CHARLES OMENIHU - TEXAS
219: R7P3 RB/WR - TONY POLLARD - MEMPHIS
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Matt Miller - Bleacher Report - 7 round mock
1- Josh Allen – EDGE – Kentucky
3a- Amani Oruwariye – CB – Penn St.
3b- Darrell Henderson – RB – Memphis
4 – Dennis Daley – OT South Carolina
5- Antoine Wesley – WR – Texas Tech
7- Demarcus Christmas – DL - FSU
There is -1000% chance our draft turns out this good
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2nd time in the past 2 days I saw Rashan Gary go at 4 to OAK in a mock
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Matt Miller - Bleacher Report - 7 round mock
1- Josh Allen – EDGE – Kentucky
3a- Amani Oruwariye – CB – Penn St.
3b- Darrell Henderson – RB – Memphis
4 – Dennis Daley – OT South Carolina
5- Antoine Wesley – WR – Texas Tech
7- Demarcus Christmas – DL - FSU
RIP Sam Darnold.
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Sign me up for Henderson in the 3rd all day
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ESPN’s Todd McShay has the Jets taking Michigan DE Rashan Gary at No. 3 in his latest mock draft #NYJ
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ESPN’s Todd McShay has the Jets taking Michigan DE Rashan Gary at No. 3 in his latest mock draft #NYJ
Are Bosa and Williams off the board at 1 and 2?
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Are Bosa and Williams off the board at 1 and 2?
Bosa is, but Williams isn't.
Which means McShay should drown himself in acid.
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Are Bosa and Williams off the board at 1 and 2?
Bosa 1 Allen 2
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If we took Gary over Williams, it would be a major flub
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DJeremiah has SF taking Gary at 2 in his latest mock, with Josh Jacobs going to TB at #5. Jets get Allen at 3.
Pre-combine mocks are strictly for shits n' giggles.
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DJeremiah has SF taking Gary at 2 in his latest mock, with Josh Jacobs going to TB at #5. Jets get Allen at 3.
Pre-combine mocks are strictly for shits n' giggles.
Agree on the pre combine mocks thing.
I’ve always had Gary rated as a top 10 prospect, but Im starting to consistently see him in the top 5. Im not that high on him, his draft profile includes a ton of projection.
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Most if the podcast I've been listening don't think Gary deserves to go that high but the assume Gary is going to kill it at the combine and some scouts and gms will start to get obsessed with his potential. Seems accurate and par for the course
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Kiper came out with 2nd mock draft this offseason
has the jets taking quinnen williams. bosa - allen still going 1-2. He had Jawaan Taylor and DK Metcalf both going in the top 10
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Most if the podcast I've been listening don't think Gary deserves to go that high but the assume Gary is going to kill it at the combine and some scouts and gms will start to get obsessed with his potential. Seems accurate and par for the course
Sounds like Gholston part 2 in terms of moving him up boards because he’s going to kill it at the combine before it even happens
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Gary is the opposite of this front offices MO for the draft.
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February isn't over yet, and i'm already sick of media mock drafts. I need FA to hurry up and get here.
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I’m participating in a mock on another forum...
1st: Jawaan Taylor - OT - Florida
3rd: Hakeem Butler - WR - Iowa State
3rd: Charles Omenihu - DE - Texas
I traded our 4th to NYG for Olivier Vernon. With Omenihu and Vernon, the pass rush gets a serious shot in the arm.
Looking to grab an RB or IOL in the 5th.
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Would have preferred Kyler Murray with the third overall pick TBH
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I like this mock for us
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-mock-draft-jets-trade-back-and-land-t-j-hockenson-dwayne-haskins-goes-to-giants/
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I like this mock for us
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-mock-draft-jets-trade-back-and-land-t-j-hockenson-dwayne-haskins-goes-to-giants/
I'm guessing we would get their 1st, 2nd and 3rd this year, and their 1st and possibly 2nd next year. That would be ideal. Hockenson would be a great option in the middle of the first.
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I like this mock for us
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-mock-draft-jets-trade-back-and-land-t-j-hockenson-dwayne-haskins-goes-to-giants/
You would be pleased if we traded #3 for #15, a 2019 5th and a 2020 1st, and then used #15 on a tight end?
This would be an absolutely appalling draft for us. We don't add a premium pick this year and use the one we do have on a position that doesn't really do anything for us.
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I like the trade down but not sure about the pick. Reading that Hockensen looks like the real deal but adding a second TE with our first round pick is not the direction I’d go
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You would be pleased if we traded #3 for #15, a 2019 5th and a 2020 1st, and then used #15 on a tight end?
This would be an absolutely appalling draft for us. We don't add a premium pick this year and use the one we do have on a position that doesn't really do anything for us.
Now i REALLY want it to happen.
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I like the trade down but not sure about the pick. Reading that Hockensen looks like the real deal but adding a second TE with our first round pick is not the direction I’d go
I'd prefer OL or WR in this scenario.
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Now i REALLY want it to happen.
You think that trading #3 for #15, #143 and Washington's first round pick next year would be good? Regardless of who you take at #15, that is an eyewateringly bad deal for the Jets. Like, fire the GM bad.
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You think that trading #3 for #15, #143 and Washington's first round pick next year would be good? Regardless of who you take at #15, that is an eyewateringly bad deal for the Jets. Like, fire the GM bad.
We’d have to get back into the second this year to trade back...
Washington might be one of the worst teams in the league in 2019 so that future pick could be great...but not enough of a return to move out of a spot that will land us an elite prospect.
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You think that trading #3 for #15, #143 and Washington's first round pick next year would be good? Regardless of who you take at #15, that is an eyewateringly bad deal for the Jets. Like, fire the GM bad.
I enjoy winding you up on a Friday afternoon
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You think that trading #3 for #15, #143 and Washington's first round pick next year would be good? Regardless of who you take at #15, that is an eyewateringly bad deal for the Jets. Like, fire the GM bad.
It's a preposterously low valuation of trade capital, especially given a pretty clear precedent. To move from 6 to 2 for RGIII, Washington gave up their first round pick for three years and a 2nd round pick that same year. If Duff accepted the above trade and somehow manged to land Nick Bosa at #15, he should still be fired by the end of the 1st round.
I have nothing against two very good tight ends, though.
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The edge class is so deep, and at least for now in my opinion, the difference among EDGE guys is a little flat. In this Hockenson mock, Brian Burns and Rashan Gary are both still on the board at 15. If they end up with one of those guys and get a 1st-round pick next year, I'm happy with the draft, even though historically that's pretty awful value in a trade down and we should be able to get more.
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McShay's latest pick for us @ 3: Rashan Gary
https://www.instagram.com/p/BumX-1mHkas/
I would be disappointed.
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McShay's latest pick for us @ 3: Rashan Gary
https://www.instagram.com/p/BumX-1mHkas/
I would be disappointed.
lolwut
No one is taking Rashan Gary in the top ten. Not even Gruden.
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lolwut
No one is taking Rashan Gary in the top ten. Not even Gruden.
Gary has a lot of top 10 hype. Not based on his game tape- more his potential, measurables, and versatility.
I’m not a fan of his at all, and ultimately I would guess that he doesn’t go top 10. But it’s absolutley a possibility
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Gary has a lot of top 10 hype. Not based on his game tape- more his potential, measurables, and versatility.
I’m not a fan of his at all, and ultimately I would guess that he doesn’t go top 10. But it’s absolutley a possibility
Anything's possible, but I don't think he's good enough. Mid first at best, IMO. I don't think anyone's going to see enough to fall in love with him - he's the kind of player you settle for and hope he turns out better than you fear he will when you don't have a premium pick.
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In @LukeEasterling's 2019 Mock Draft, he has the #Giants trading w/Jets to select Dwayne Haskins.
Terms of the deal:
Giants get:
No. 3
Jets get:
No. 6
No. 37
2020 1st
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My baseless speculation at what the draft might look like if we did that trade:
1) Cards - Murray
2) 9ers - Bosa
3) Giants - Haskins
4) Raiders - Josh Allen
5) Bucs - Quinnen
6) Jets - Taylor, Metcalf
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In Easterling’s mock, he has Quinnen going 1, Broncos trading to 5 to take Lock, and we end up with Metcalf at 6
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Daniel Jeremiah 2.0 Mock has us passing on Josh Allen for Quinnen
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In @LukeEasterling's 2019 Mock Draft, he has the #Giants trading w/Jets to select Dwayne Haskins.
Terms of the deal:
Giants get:
No. 3
Jets get:
No. 6
No. 37
2020 1st
this is what we call...a dream scenario.
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this is what we call...a dream scenario.
Still skeptical that Jets and Giants will trade with each other until it happens, but they might be our best bet. Need to hope that they’re all in on Haskins and don’t want to risk settling for Lock/Jones.
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In @LukeEasterling's 2019 Mock Draft, he has the #Giants trading w/Jets to select Dwayne Haskins.
Terms of the deal:
Giants get:
No. 3
Jets get:
No. 6
No. 37
2020 1st
i wish.....
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Pulled this off on TDN's new mock draft simulator...
3 Jawaan Taylor - OT - Florida
68 J.J. Arcega-Whiteside – WR - Stanford
93 Zach Allen – EDGE - Boston College
105 Beau Benzschawel – IOL - Wisconsin
140 Devin Singletary – RB - FAU
217 Marvel Tell – DB - USC
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Pulled this off on TDN's new mock draft simulator...
3 Jawaan Taylor - OT - Florida
68 J.J. Arcega-Whiteside – WR - Stanford
93 Zach Allen – EDGE - Boston College
105 Beau Benzschawel – IOL - Wisconsin
140 Devin Singletary – RB - FAU
217 Marvel Tell – DB - USC
I don't know much about any of those players, but based on the positions drafted, that's a fantastic draft for Maccagnan this year.
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Pulled this off on TDN's new mock draft simulator...
3 Jawaan Taylor - OT - Florida
68 J.J. Arcega-Whiteside – WR - Stanford
93 Zach Allen – EDGE - Boston College
105 Beau Benzschawel – IOL - Wisconsin
140 Devin Singletary – RB - FAU
217 Marvel Tell – DB - USC
Is that simulator good? Haven’t given it a go yet. Format looks p cool
Also, yes please.
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3. Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky
68. Isaiah Johnson, CB, Houston
93. JJ Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford
105. Kahale Warring, TE, San Diego State
196. Oli Udoh, OT, Elon
217. Max Scharping, OG, Northern Illinois
The TDN Simulator is really fun, but is has some strange logic. There's a ton of skill players (WR & RB) all grouped together in the third and fourth rounds.
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Worked another one where I chose Arizona and the Jets so I could select Kyler Murray #1.
3. Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio State
68. Elgton Jenkins, C, Mississippi State
93. Mecole Hardman, WR, Georgia
105. Khalen Saunders, DL, Western Illinois
196. Hamp Cheevers, CB, Boston College
217. Max Scharping, OG, Northern Illinois
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3. Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky
68. Isaiah Johnson, CB, Houston
93. JJ Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford
105. Kahale Warring, TE, San Diego State
196. Oli Udoh, OT, Elon
217. Max Scharping, OG, Northern Illinois
The TDN Simulator is really fun, but is has some strange logic. There's a ton of skill players (WR & RB) all grouped together in the third and fourth rounds.
I’ve spent a good deal of time with TDNs simulator. I do wish that they offered 1st round trade scenarios. Sometimes a deal pops up and other times it doesn’t you can accept or ignore it. Or you could choose to try and trade up at each slot in round 1 by offering picks. If somebody bites you jump up.
I’d love to try out scenarios where we slide down and snag a 2nd or other options.
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Did one through first pick at lunch...
Traded with Giants for 6, 17 and a 3rd for 3 and our 3rd .
Traded 17 to Tennessee for 19 and their 2nd
6 - Josh Allen (Edge)
19 - Brian Burns (Edge)
2 (19) - Garrett Bradbury (C)
3 (29) - Chris Lindstrom (OG)
3 (31) - Riley Ridley (WR)
4 (3) - Benny Snell Jr. (RB)
6 (23) - Isaiah Johnson (CB)
7 (3) - Greg Dortch (WR)
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I like every single player you drafted. I love the Kentucky Kids: Allen and Snell. Snell played High School ball at Westerville Central a few miles from my home in Central Ohio. IMO, they all will be drafted higher.
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I like every single player you drafted. I love the Kentucky Kids: Allen and Snell. Snell played High School ball at Westerville Central a few miles from my home in Central Ohio. IMO, they all will be drafted higher.
I don’t believe any one of those players are available at the slot I got them on draft day.
Which is why that draft rocked and I’d be thrilled if the Jets came away with that. The hilarious part is that based on their draft grade system I had a middle of the pack draft. In reality I’d be doing backflips
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https://expo.nj.com/sports/g66l-2019/03/0cc144d2b61619/latest-nfl-mock-draft-2019-redskins-jets-strike-blockbuster-trade-agreement-what-do-giants-do-at-qb-2-full-rounds.html
Predicts the Redskins move up to 3....
Jets get 15, 46, 208. 2020 #1 and #2
Skins get Dwayne Haskins
Jets picks
15 - Burns
46 - Trayvon Mullen (Garrett Bradbury goes at 48)
Interesting deal. I still think that’s going to be less than what we will take. Keeping in mind all future picks are discounted by a round.
In terms of 2019 value, that’s #15 overall, 2 2nd rounders a 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder.
Correct me if I’m wrong but what we paid last year in terms of 2018 value was, #6 overall, 2 2nd round picks and a 3rd round pick.
To me that says we paid more for last years #3 than the Skins would pay for this year’s #3. I’d expect they need to sweeten that deal a little bit more. Possibly with a player (Trent Williams, Brandon Sherff, Josh Norman, Ryan Kerrigan, jonathon Allen are names I might be interested in after doing some digging)
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The only upside to that deal is that Washington's 1st next year will likely be pretty early, although predicting the outcome of the NFCE on any given season is a mug's game.
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The only upside to that deal is that Washington's 1st next year will likely be pretty early, although predicting the outcome of the NFCE on any given season is a mug's game.
I agree it’s not enough value (as pointed out above) to give up a shot at Bosa, a 5 pick for 1 swap when you get back to back years of 1sts and 2nds. Gives that far from the “only” upside being the Skins probably suck next year.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-2019-254-picks-34-trades-and-full-breakdowns-for-all-32-teams/
interesting 7 round mock for the Jets. I love the trade back with the Skins to get Burns at 15.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-2019-254-picks-34-trades-and-full-breakdowns-for-all-32-teams/
interesting 7 round mock for the Jets. I love the trade back with the Skins to get Burns at 15.
Sweat at 9 and Gary at 12, but Burns falls to 15? And we're trading down 12 places in exchange for a 3rd and a 2020 first? Of all the things that are not happening, these things are not happening the most.
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Sweat at 9 and Gary at 12, but Burns falls to 15? And we're trading down 12 places in exchange for a 3rd and a 2020 first? Of all the things that are not happening, these things are not happening the most.
the market for players is different this year. The QBs aren't as good in this year's draft...so the compensation might not be as high. You're probably right, we should get a bigger haul, but i think you need to simmer down your expectations. Because i don't think we or any team will.
Burns fills a major need. And i expect the Skins to be in the top 10 of the draft next year, so their 2020 1st rd pick, imo, is potentially quite valuable.
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the market for players is different this year. The QBs aren't as good in this year's draft...so the compensation might not be as high. You're probably right, we should get a bigger haul, but i think you need to simmer down your expectations. Because i don't think we or any team will.
Burns fills a major need. And i expect the Skins to be in the top 10 of the draft next year, so their 2020 1st rd pick, imo, is potentially quite valuable.
Burns is a draft darling like you get every year - his hype has come at just the right time and he'll go long before 15. I've seen him mocked top 3 (q.v. TDN's big board that reuben linked yesterday, which has him at #2).
You may be right that the market isn't so strong for trading a top pick this year, but if that's the case I think we just won't do it. I don't think that Maccagnan would give up on a can't miss pick at #3 in order to add a pick at the arse end of day 2 plus an undetermined pick next year. I know you're all about picking up another first round pick next year but if we stink again this season, Maccagnan doesn't have a next year. He's going to be focused on doing things that make us better right now.
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Burns is a draft darling like you get every year - his hype has come at just the right time and he'll go long before 15. I've seen him mocked top 3 (q.v. TDN's big board that reuben linked yesterday, which has him at #2).
You may be right that the market isn't so strong for trading a top pick this year, but if that's the case I think we just won't do it. I don't think that Maccagnan would give up on a can't miss pick at #3 in order to add a pick at the arse end of day 2 plus an undetermined pick next year. I know you're all about picking up another first round pick next year but if we stink again this season, Maccagnan doesn't have a next year. He's going to be focused on doing things that make us better right now.
all valid points.
But like all mock drafts, they're subjective and could potentially happen. Look at how far Aaron Rodgers dropped. The guy was mocked in the top 2 right up until draft night. Nobody knows what could happen. Point being, Burns could go top 3 or top 20.
My preference is to trade back. I know you don't agree...but you like to sleep on a bed of pizza, so we really have to evaluate what state of mind you're actually in.
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all valid points.
But like all mock drafts, they're subjective and could potentially happen. Look at how far Aaron Rodgers dropped. The guy was mocked in the top 2 right up until draft night. Nobody knows what could happen. Point being, Burns could go top 3 or top 20.
My preference is to trade back. I know you don't agree...but you like to sleep on a bed of pizza, so we really have to evaluate what state of mind you're actually in.
I would love us to trade back, but it will have to be for a better return than is being offered here. It only makes any kind of sense in this mock because we get Burns, but in the real world that's not actually happening and giving up on all that top end talent for a vague promise of maybe next year is a bad idea IMO.
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I would love us to trade back, but it will have to be for a better return than is being offered here. It only makes any kind of sense in this mock because we get Burns, but in the real world that's not actually happening and giving up on all that top end talent for a vague promise of maybe next year is a bad idea IMO.
Again...that's subjective. Everyone thought Dion Jordan was a top end talent (especially on this board), and ended up getting selected in the top 5 (i believe Miami traded up to get him). I'm not saying you're wrong, but i'm not saying you're right either. There's a shitload of pass rushing talent in this draft, not just in the top 10.
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Again...that's subjective. Everyone thought Dion Jordan was a top end talent (especially on this board), and ended up getting selected in the top 5 (i believe Miami traded up to get him). I'm not saying you're wrong, but i'm not saying you're right either. There's a shitload of pass rushing talent in this draft, not just in the top 10.
Of course it's possible that we would end up with a great player at 15, but it's too big a punt to take without getting a spectacular return IMO. You can't really plan for what's going to happen over 12 picks and say "at least X, Y and Z will still be on the board when it's our pick".
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/seven-round-nfl-mock-draft-2019-254-picks-34-trades-and-full-breakdowns-for-all-32-teams/
interesting 7 round mock for the Jets. I love the trade back with the Skins to get Burns at 15.
I wish they started every team with a section describing the trades made.
For us we got pee poor value on several trades that were made. Starting with the Redskins trade all the way down to 15.
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I wish they started every team with a section describing the trades made.
For us we got pee poor value on several trades that were made. Starting with the Redskins trade all the way down to 15.
I wouldn't call it pee poor to trade back to 15....one of the players i really like in this draft and would fill a major need for us is Garrett Bradbury. I'd be happy if we selected him at 15.
I think Harrison starting for us at Center is a disaster waiting to happen.
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I don’t really want to trade down unless we get a couple of the following things:
- Our 2019 1st is still in the top 6-10 picks
- we pick up a 2019 first
- we pick up multiple future 1sts or 2nds
I have no formula on what I think is fair compensation, but basically I’m saying I don’t want to trade down unless it’s a haul. We have a guaranteed pick of an elite prospect, and shouldn’t plan on having that type of pick anytime in the near future unless our plan goes to excrement.
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I don’t really want to trade down unless we get a couple of the following things:
- Our 2019 1st is still in the top 6-10 picks
- we pick up a 2019 first
- we pick up multiple future 1sts or 2nds
I have no formula on what I think is fair compensation, but basically I’m saying I don’t want to trade down unless it’s a haul. We have a guaranteed pick of an elite prospect, and shouldn’t plan on having that type of pick anytime in the near future unless our plan goes to excrement.
My ideal scenario is the Giants trading their two first rounders to move up to 3. But I never get what i want, so i'm not even gonna entertain it.
The link i posted had us trading back with the Skins. Is it ideal? No...but it's not the end of the world unless we squander the pick(s).
Everyone keeps saying we're gonna end up with a elite player if we stay at 3. Nothing is guaranteed. Vernon Gholston looked good at the combine too.
EDIT: I wish we had a 2nd round pick this year.
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I wouldn't call it pee poor to trade back to 15....one of the players i really like in this draft and would fill a major need for us is Garrett Bradbury. I'd be happy if we selected him at 15.
I think Harrison starting for us at Center is a disaster waiting to happen.
I agree with a lot of this, but it surprises me that you would be in love with Bradbury when he is so similar - in good ways and bad - to Weston Richburg, who you wanted nothing to do with.
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I agree with a lot of this, but it surprises me that you would be in love with Bradbury when he is so similar - in good ways and bad - to Weston Richburg, who you wanted nothing to do with.
Weston Richburg's concussion history was my issue.
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My ideal scenario is the Giants trading their two first rounders to move up to 3. But I never get what i want, so i'm not even gonna entertain it.
The link i posted had us trading back with the Skins. Is it ideal? No...but it's not the end of the world unless we squander the pick(s).
Everyone keeps saying we're gonna end up with a elite player if we stay at 3. Nothing is guaranteed. Vernon Gholston looked good at the combine too.
EDIT: I wish we had a 2nd round pick this year.
I said elite prospect, not elite player. Vernon Gholston was not that. The top 5-10 of that draft was super weak.
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I said elite prospect, not elite player. Vernon Gholston was not that. The top 5-10 of that draft was super weak.
but why?
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ESPN — Todd McShay
Round 1, No. 3, DT Quinnen Williams, Alabama
Round 3, No. 68, DE Zach Allen, Boston College
Round 3, No. 93, WR Kelvin Harmon, NC State
"Williams is ferocious in the middle, and I see him as a top-two talent in the draft class. Between Williams and Allen, the Jets take a solid step forward on the defensive line. Williams has a great first step, and Allen transitions from speed to power very quickly. By taking Harmon late in the third, the Jets get Sam Darnold a hands catcher with size"
ESPN — Mel Kiper
Round 1, No. 3, Edge Josh Allen, Kentucky
Round 3, No. 68, OL Michael Deiter, Wisconsin
Round 3, No. 93, CB Amani Oruwariye, Penn State
"This comes down to Allen or Quinnen Williams for the Jets, and both are going to be impact contributors as rookies. New York's biggest need is on the edge, however, so I lean toward Allen, the SEC Defensive Player of the Year who had 17 sacks last season.
The Jets are in a good spot here, and after trading up for Sam Darnolda year ago, they don't have a second-round pick in this draft. They do have an extra third-rounder from the preseason trade of Teddy Bridgewater (remember when he was a Jet?). Deiter is my second-ranked center, but he has some versatility as he played guard, center and tackle over 54 college starts. Oruwariye is a big, 6-foot-2 corner who had seven interceptions over the past two seasons. You can't count on third-rounders as immediate starters, but Deiter and Oruwariye could compete for spots."
I prefer Kipers mock to McShays by a lot. Harmon would be a great pick with our 2nd 3rd rounder though.
Zach Allen doesn’t strike me as a great fit at 3-4 OLB. I would be more ok with him if we took Josh Allen over Q in that mock.
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Much prefer Kiper in the mock above.
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Much prefer Kiper in the mock above.
Why?
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Why?
Kiper stands for the anthem
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Why?
I'd rather have Allen and the subsequent picks are a push for me.
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Participating in a mock on another forum with trades...
Ed Oliver
Amani Oruwariye
Elgton Jenkins
Tytus Howard
Mecole Hardman
Haul through 3 rounds so far
I traded back with Oakland to get a second and I moved backed from that pick to get an extra third and fourth.
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Participating in a mock on another forum with trades...
Ed Oliver
Amani Oruwariye
Elgton Jenkins
Tytus Howard
Mecole Hardman
Haul through 3 rounds so far
I traded back with Oakland to get a second and I moved backed from that pick to get an extra third and fourth.
doin' the lord's work.
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Participating in a mock on another forum with trades...
Ed Oliver
Amani Oruwariye
Elgton Jenkins
Tytus Howard
Mecole Hardman
Haul through 3 rounds so far
I traded back with Oakland to get a second and I moved backed from that pick to get an extra third and fourth.
where did you end up with Oliver? 8?
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where did you end up with Oliver? 8?
I traded from 3 to 4.
Oakland gave me their second to move up one spot.
Quinnen, Bosa, and Allen were off the board. Cardinals GM loves Josh Rosen, which created a different look up to because he obviously wasn’t going QB there.
I like Josh Allen as a prospect, but I don’t have him rated higher than Oliver. A move back wasn’t difficult for me to make.
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I traded from 3 to 4.
Oakland gave me their second to move up one spot.
Quinnen, Bosa, and Allen were off the board. Cardinals GM loves Josh Rosen, which created a different look up to because he obviously wasn’t going QB there.
I like Josh Allen as a prospect, but I don’t have him rated higher than Oliver. A move back wasn’t difficult for me to make.
Where do you place Oliver's floor? I love the Aaron Donald comparisons but I'm not sure how realistic that is.
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Where do you place Oliver's floor? I love the Aaron Donald comparisons but I'm not sure how realistic that is.
Not sure if this is necessarily his floor, but Sheldon Richardson is a good comparison for Oliver, though Oliver has the ability to be much better than that.
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This era’s John Randle
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I traded from 3 to 4.
Oakland gave me their second to move up one spot.
Quinnen, Bosa, and Allen were off the board. Cardinals GM loves Josh Rosen, which created a different look up to because he obviously wasn’t going QB there.
I like Josh Allen as a prospect, but I don’t have him rated higher than Oliver. A move back wasn’t difficult for me to make.
I misunderstood I thought you traded down twice in round one. Not traded Oaks second for additional picks
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Did a TDN mock draft this morning....
3. Nick Bosa
68. J.J. Arcega-Whiteside
93. Darrell Henderson
105. Tytus Howard
193. Hunter Renfrow
217. Bruce Anderson
If our first 4 went that way, all of JO would be doing freaking backflips
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Participating in a mock on another forum with trades...
Ed Oliver
Amani Oruwariye
Elgton Jenkins
Tytus Howard
Mecole Hardman
Haul through 3 rounds so far
I traded back with Oakland to get a second and I moved backed from that pick to get an extra third and fourth.
In Jeremiah’s new mock he has the Jets going Oliver at 3 with Bosa off the board at 2 to SF. Quinnen Williams at 4 to Oakland.
Maybe you are on to something
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In Jeremiah’s new mock he has the Jets going Oliver at 3 with Bosa off the board at 2 to SF. Quinnen Williams at 4 to Oakland.
Maybe you are on to something
Oliver is a franchise changer.
Quinnen Williams is a great prospect but I’ve always had Oliver ranked over him.
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Oliver is a franchise changer.
Quinnen Williams is a great prospect but I’ve always had Oliver ranked over him.
Does he make as much sense if we're committed to a 3-4 though?
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Does he make as much sense if we're committed to a 3-4 though?
Forget the scheme. Take great players.
Oliver would be dangerous as a shade in the 3-4.
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Last one for me probably
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3: R1P3 - DL QUINNEN WILLIAMS - ALABAMA
68: R3P4 - G CHRIS LINDSTROM - BOSTON COLLEGE
95: R3P31 - EDGE OSHANE XIMINES - ODU
105: R4P3 - WR HAKEEM BUTLER - IOWA STATE
141: R5P2 - C ERIK MCCOY - TEXAS A&M
219: R7P3 - LB JOE GILES-HARRIS - DUKE
let's go, Jumbo. I knew you were the brains behind "GFY Bitches Leave".
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So let me ask, with everything said and done, did anyone's Round 1 mock, whether here or elsewhere, come remotely close for all teams? I figure that at the end of the day, the best you can hope for is to hit on 8 to 10 teams accurately.