Post by: Jumbo on April 26, 2018, 07:34:28 PM
THE DARNOLD IS IN NEW YORK
Post by: steves850 on April 26, 2018, 07:34:55 PM
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Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2018, 07:36:44 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 26, 2018, 07:37:22 PM
Hell freaking yes
#Ferrets lol
Post by: casman02 on April 26, 2018, 07:39:22 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2018, 07:39:41 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 07:40:23 PM
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Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2018, 07:52:09 PM
Post by: reuben on April 26, 2018, 07:53:53 PM
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James Hasty
Could have had Nelson or Chubb at 6.
9 minutes ago
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2018, 07:54:28 PM
Post by: klaximilian on April 26, 2018, 07:55:24 PM
his name, wait for it.....
Dick Hammer.
https://www.dailynews.com/2016/12/29/sam-darnolds-grandfather-dick-hammer-was-a-larger-than-life-figure/
You can't make the excrement up.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 26, 2018, 07:58:04 PM
Because in hindsight that's the true beauty of Duffs trade, it could've been a legit bidding war
Post by: JFIF on April 26, 2018, 07:59:08 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2018, 08:01:17 PM
I know it's purely speculative, but what would it have taken to have gotten the 3rd pick from the Colts if we had waited until after the Giants picked?I don't think they would have given up any more. If the Colts really didn't want to fall outside the top 6 or 7, they might have been able to keep next year's 2nd-rounder in a move up.
Because in hindsight that's the true beauty of Duffs trade, it could've been a legit bidding war
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 08:05:53 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 26, 2018, 08:07:48 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 26, 2018, 08:07:57 PM
I don't think they would have given up any more. If the Colts really didn't want to fall outside the top 6 or 7, they might have been able to keep next year's 2nd-rounder in a move up.
Surely Denver would have jumped into the bidding with Darnold available?
Possibly the Colts would have even been able to y get 3 1st from the Bills for #3 and a 2nd round pick?
I mean Darnold was mostly a consensus overall first pick and the top QB, teams tend to overpay for that stuff
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 26, 2018, 08:09:10 PM
As Mike Maccagnan walked out of press conference, he jokingly said he’ll take a safety in the third round. “Have to fill our quota” #jets
Boss
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2018, 08:09:57 PM
Surely Denver would have jumped into the bidding with Darnold available?Giving up three 2nd-round picks already was paying a ton. Giants could have traded down, too, if they wanted to. Broncos could have gotten involved if they wanted to.
Possibly the Colts would have even been able to y get 3 1st from the Bills for #3 and a 2nd round pick?
I mean Darnold was mostly a consensus overall first pick and the top QB, teams tend to overpay for that stuff
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2018, 08:11:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWDyKdxs0RY
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 08:12:06 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2018, 08:15:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 08:15:33 PM
The Jets can't draft Darnold. Fitzpatrick's #14 jersey will be in the ring of honor.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2018, 08:16:33 PM
I love everything
This.
I've been on a ridiculous emotional rollercoaster all day.
Post by: MoreCharacters on April 26, 2018, 08:21:07 PM
shouldn't there have been a hype video posted by now
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2018, 08:22:41 PM
Post by: casman02 on April 26, 2018, 08:22:47 PM
I hope he's good but he's literally the most boring person in the entire world.
shouldn't there have been a hype video posted by now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGBjn4zxDHU
Post by: Jumbo on April 26, 2018, 08:27:14 PM
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2018, 08:28:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2018, 08:32:51 PM
He played OLB and WR in high school. Maybe he can also solve our EDGE problems
So we just drafted someone who wasn't even the best QB in his high school?
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2018, 08:36:29 PM
So we just drafted someone who wasn't even the best QB in his high school?
Go back and listen to his 360 episode on Move the Sticks. Everyone should now if they haven't already.
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2018, 08:37:44 PM
Go back and listen to his 360 episode on Move the Sticks. Everyone should now if they haven't already.
Too late.
#bust
Post by: Libero_2 on April 26, 2018, 08:45:50 PM
Go back and listen to his 360 episode on Move the Sticks. Everyone should now if they haven't already.
Can we link that here? I'm too lazy to find it. And I didn't want to listen to these until we picked a guy
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2018, 08:48:51 PM
Can we link that here? I'm too lazy to find it. And I didn't want to listen to these until we picked a guy
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/move-the-sticks-with-daniel-jeremiah/e/54220614?autoplay=true
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000928555/article/move-the-sticks-podcast-sam-darnold-scouting-report
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 08:56:56 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 26, 2018, 09:03:11 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2018, 09:05:23 PM
I still can't believe it, man.
This is me. I just keep thinking "I can't believe this."
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 09:06:07 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2018, 09:06:43 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 09:07:17 PM
So, uh, how soon can I start talking about the Darnasty?Nice.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 09:11:21 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2018, 09:20:21 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 26, 2018, 09:21:56 PM
I think this is a really good spot for him. I think he still has a lot of growing to do and I'm hoping Bates can help mold him into reaching his potential.
McCown having the lead here is huge. I wish we could Carson Palmer - Sam Darnold, but we all know he will be on the field soon enough. I hope McCown plays similar to last year at least early and allows Sam to sit for a few weeks and get some regular season film study before we throw him out there.
Or freak it, lets just go 16-0 and start the Darnasty off properly in week 1.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 26, 2018, 09:24:06 PM
And drinks the skies.
And they'll both go with him when he dies.
Post by: Ornstein on April 26, 2018, 09:24:18 PM
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2018, 09:24:57 PM
gonna cop a chinese darnold jersey when those go up hoooyaa
Let me know if you find a good source.
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2018, 09:25:47 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 09:26:54 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180427/d96f1e7ca390fb57c23937baadc4bd26.jpg)
Post by: Laxin on April 26, 2018, 09:36:42 PM
Now surround him with some talent.
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2018, 09:44:56 PM
Goddamn beautiful...What is puck doing in the bottom right corner?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180427/d96f1e7ca390fb57c23937baadc4bd26.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2018, 09:46:20 PM
What is puck doing in the bottom right corner?
Fluffing Sam.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 09:47:20 PM
What is puck doing in the bottom right corner?That's 1987 Puck.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 09:47:41 PM
Fluffing Sam.As he should be.
Post by: Laxin on April 26, 2018, 09:51:00 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 10:43:29 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 26, 2018, 10:51:19 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 10:54:09 PM
Unreal, I just got fired for jerking off in the middle of work. It was worth it. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnold!Isn't that what you get paid to do?
Post by: Miamipuck on April 26, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
Isn't that what you get paid to do?
I wish, I would be a billionaire.
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2018, 10:55:22 PM
freaking Darnold, boys. freak yeah.Isnt Darnold your Thursday guy? excrement worked out for you.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 11:03:17 PM
Isnt Darnold your Thursday guy? excrement worked out for you.I don't know. I'm still deciding who the Jets should take at 3.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 11:09:40 PM
Jets call Darnold with the pick.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 11:11:29 PM
https://youtu.be/6K0U_WybcrE
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2018, 11:16:20 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2018, 11:18:53 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 26, 2018, 11:21:37 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2018, 11:27:59 PM
Adams is extremely vocal and our defense has followed suit.
Darnold is more workmanlike and quiet publicly. In hindsight, maybe that will work better having a guy who will shut his mouth and work hard since the defense will be doing a lot of talking.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2018, 11:28:49 PM
Is this real life?I don't know but it's a flat freaking circle.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2018, 11:45:44 PM
Darnold is special, but he's going to have some turnovers early on. But he's a winner, he's mobile and he makes plays.
He doesn't get rattled when things go wrong either. I really like the Tony Romo comparisons I've seen, but the Matt Ryan comps are good too.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 27, 2018, 12:14:33 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2018, 12:47:33 AM
I think Darnold needs to sit though. As much as I want to see him, I think the plan needs to be that McCown/Bridgewater is the starter, at least at first. If Darnold forces his way into the lineup, great, but he has a few bad habits, and he's extremely young.
His upside is great. He's got a good arm. He's shown he can throw well when he's not even set. He's mobile. He's tough. His teammates seem to love him. If he can clean up a few things, he has a chance to be really good.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2018, 05:15:03 AM
Romo seems like the best comparison for him based on watching him in college, both the good and the bad. Watching more of him tonight and I see it even more.
I think Darnold needs to sit though. As much as I want to see him, I think the plan needs to be that McCown/Bridgewater is the starter, at least at first. If Darnold forces his way into the lineup, great, but he has a few bad habits, and he's extremely young.
His upside is great. He's got a good arm. He's shown he can throw well when he's not even set. He's mobile. He's tough. His teammates seem to love him. If he can clean up a few things, he has a chance to be really good.
Pre-draft the only guy I felt 100% comfortable starting week 1 was Rosen. Next was going to be Darnold, then Baker and Allen.
Sam needs to sit and learn for a while, but get his derriere on the field by years end and let him learn a bit under live bullets
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 05:26:26 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 05:28:58 AM
Hey Darnold
This
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 05:36:50 AM
I only love my bed and my darnold, I'm sorry
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2018, 05:40:48 AM
Um hell yes Sam
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2018, 06:30:13 AM
...We need to build a wall.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2018, 06:37:27 AM
She say, "Do you love me?" I tell her, "Only partly"
I only love my bed and my darnold, I'm sorry
hahahahaha
Post by: Laxin on April 27, 2018, 06:47:21 AM
"One of my goals is to play my whole career in one place. I realize the only way to do that is to build a dynasty and win a whole lotta games"
Um hell yes Sam
freak yeah. If this works out, Duff just bought himself another 5-8 years at a minimum.
Its amazing that he's only 20 YO. It wouldn't be the end of the world if he sat for the first half of the season, or even the entire season. I personally think he's too good to sit on the bench that long, but we'll see.
If he can overcome his turnover issue even slightly, he will be a damn good QB. I actually think the fumble problem may be more correctable than I originally thought- running around in the pocket with an outstretched arm is an easy way to get stripped. He knows its the source of the problem and has said that he has corrected it. We'll only know if its corrected when bullets start flying, but I think over time its fixable.
The interceptions will come with the type of player he is, but I think they are managable. He had a rough first 6 games where he tried to do too much with an inferior supporting cast an OL. The last 7 regular season games he only threw 3 picks.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2018, 06:52:56 AM
freak yeah. If this works out, Duff just bought himself another 5-8 years at a minimum.
Maccagnan has set them to team up to be built around the quarterback now that we have one.
We still have our first rounder next year and a ton of cap space to keep putting pieces around him.
I hope we continue to add the right pieces throughout this draft. Getting another starting caliber offensive player with our third rounder would be awesome.
Post by: MoreCharacters on April 27, 2018, 07:01:10 AM
the jets are almost exactly where they want to be towards the end of a rebuild
Post by: Laxin on April 27, 2018, 07:07:58 AM
I hope we continue to add the right pieces throughout this draft. Getting another starting caliber offensive player with our third rounder would be awesome.
I'm with you. I wouldn't complain if Landry fell to that pick, but man would it be nice to surround our QB with talent now. Some great talent at RB and TE available now. It would be so awesome to pair him with his USC mate, RJII. RB isn't a huge need, but that duo would be awesome.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 07:10:49 AM
I'm with you. I wouldn't complain if Landry fell to that pick, but man would it be nice to surround our QB with talent now. Some great talent at RB and TE available now. It would be so awesome to pair him with his USC mate, RJII. RB isn't a huge need, but that duo would be awesome.
There's some nice OL prospects still on the board. I didn't think Will Hernandez would get out of the 1st round.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2018, 07:21:57 AM
Post by: Laxin on April 27, 2018, 07:24:43 AM
I really hope McCown and Bridgewater stay ahead of Darnold on the depth chart this season. Ideally I'd like to see Bridgwater win the starting job and McCown be able to focus full time on holding the clip board and bonding with Darnold
Right now, I'm hoping Bridgewater is healthy and we can trade him if/when a starting QB goes down. Get a 2nd round pick back next year.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2018, 07:37:34 AM
His knee is toast. I'll be surprised if he's on our 53 man roster.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2018, 07:38:08 AM
Right now, I'm hoping Bridgewater is healthy and we can trade him if/when a starting QB goes down. Get a 2nd round pick back next year.
No one is trading a second for a guy that can't play. We'd be lucky to get a conditional 6th or 7th.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2018, 07:39:36 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2018, 07:39:47 AM
McCown be able to focus full time on holding the clip board and bonding with Darnold
So he can teach him how to be a career backup?
Darnold needs to play. I'm OK with him sitting for a few games, but we didn't draft this kid to sit him.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2018, 07:40:10 AM
No one is trading a second for a guy that can't play. We'd be lucky to get a conditional 6th or 7th.
Strip Hack for parts. Bridgewater is OK with a white guy knee.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 07:40:28 AM
So he can teach him how to be a career backup?
Darnold needs to play. I'm OK with him sitting for a few games, but we didn't draft this kid to sit him.
this
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2018, 07:42:54 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 07:45:25 AM
Is it true that if Darnold plays week 1, he'd be the youngest starting QB in NFL history? Saw it on rototurd.
he gunna play when he ready...bleeedat, bleeedat.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2018, 07:50:02 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbqK0I7W4AA1MG_.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2018, 07:52:52 AM
he gunna play when he ready...bleeedat, bleeedat.
Gon geda soup bol outta him.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 27, 2018, 07:59:47 AM
So he can teach him how to be a career backup?
Darnold needs to play. I'm OK with him sitting for a few games, but we didn't draft this kid to sit him.
Agreed, enough of that sh*t.
Granted most of what I know about Darnold I learned here, but he needs to get on the field at some point this season.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 08:04:51 AM
Post by: Laxin on April 27, 2018, 08:10:43 AM
No one is trading a second for a guy that can't play. We'd be lucky to get a conditional 6th or 7th.
That's why I said if healthy, which I understand is a big if. The Vikings traded a first for Bradford. I don't think its inconceivable to think that if he shows he's healthy and back to being a quality QB, that a team who lost their QB to injury would trade a mid round pick for him. It's unlikely, but crazier things have happened in the last 24 hours.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 08:10:55 AM
Apparently Darnold and Josh McCown's oldest daughter are less than a year apart in age.
Sam Darnold is half as old as Tom Brady.
Post by: Laxin on April 27, 2018, 08:12:45 AM
Is it true that if Darnold plays week 1, he'd be the youngest starting QB in NFL history? Saw it on rototurd.
He was/is the 3rd youngest QB drafted in the first round ever... so I can believe this.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 08:13:45 AM
Sam Darnold is half as old as Tom Brady.
bleeedat, bleeedat.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 08:28:31 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2018, 08:33:33 AM
So he can teach him how to be a career backup?
Darnold needs to play. I'm OK with him sitting for a few games, but we didn't draft this kid to sit him.
I'd also rather not see him become shellshocked and turn into Hackenberg or David Carr. He's got some mechanics that need to be addressed, and his turnovers are an issue. I don't see the sense of urgency in throwing a 20 year old QB into the fire for a team that isn't going to compete this year and will be under contract for a inexpensive amount for the next 5 years.
Throwing him in the last few weeks of the season so he has something to build on and learn from sounds reasonable, But if he can learn and we can focus on improving our offensive talent that'll be perfect
Post by: Laxin on April 27, 2018, 08:46:57 AM
I'd also rather not see him become shellshocked and turn into Hackenberg or David Carr. He's got some mechanics that need to be addressed, and his turnovers are an issue. I don't see the sense of urgency in throwing a 20 year old QB into the fire for a team that isn't going to compete this year and will be under contract for a inexpensive amount for the next 5 years.
Throwing him in the last few weeks of the season so he has something to build on and learn from sounds reasonable, But if he can learn and we can focus on improving our offensive talent that'll be perfect
Darnold is a much much different prospect than Hackenberg. Darnold has natural accuracy and in a sense thrives under pressure and chaos in the pocket. His mechanics have been cleaned up some this offseason (noticeable decrease in windmill at proday), but even with a less than ideal throwing motion, he still threw the ball accurately and on time. He makes it work.
He's a pro-ready QB. He may benefit from sitting for half a season, but don't let his age fool you into thinking he needs to sit.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 08:58:54 AM
Besides Hackenberg, the last time we acquired a notable QB who didn't start right away was Kellen Clemens.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 09:19:35 AM
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75735/new-york-jets-2018-draft-analysis-for-every-selection
Poll at the bottom has 52% of respondents saying Darnold will start for us this season.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2018, 09:27:17 AM
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2018, 09:28:21 AM
Kid has the physical tools of Luck and a mentality of a Favre, Wilson, Romo when the play breaks down.
I think were going to have to expect some turnovers and the trade off will be some insane playmaking with level of difficulty throws only 5 or 6 guys in the NFL can make.
THANK YOU CLEVELAND FOR SHITTING THE BED AGAIN!
Post by: Coach K on April 27, 2018, 09:29:18 AM
Bates better pull out the renaissance excrement now
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 09:39:05 AM
This isn't real, it can't be.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 09:39:48 AM
i fell in love with Rosen's floor and football IQ, but I also never thought wed have a shot at Darnold until the Mayfield at 1 rumors started 24 hours before the draft.
Kid has the physical tools of Luck and a mentality of a Favre, Wilson, Romo when the play breaks down.
I think were going to have to expect some turnovers and the trade off will be some insane playmaking with level of difficulty throws only 5 or 6 guys in the NFL can make.
THANK YOU CLEVELAND FOR SHITTING THE BED AGAIN!
Total truth!
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 09:40:03 AM
lock him in the QB room with Bates and McCown and I dont care if he sits 8 weeks or a whole season, this is like giving a perfect lump of clay to an artist.
Bates better pull out the renaissance excrement now
This too
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 09:53:26 AM
Hey guys did this really happen or is this some zzzquil induced hallucination? Is weird being a Jets fan and having the legitimate right to be optimistic.
This isn't real, it can't be.
You picked the right week to stop sniffing glue.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 09:59:09 AM
When we finished 5-11, i didn't think we had a chance in hell to get him, even with the trade-up to 3. Especially after he lit up his Pro Day.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 10:00:24 AM
You picked the right week to stop sniffing glue.
I am thankful.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 10:00:44 AM
Still can't believe we drafted Darnold.
When we finished 5-11, i didn't think we had a chance in hell to get him, even with the trade-up to 3. Especially after he lit up his Pro Day.
Hold me this isn't real.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 10:02:22 AM
Hold me this isn't real.
hahaha...#HugsForPuck
We really need to build around Darnold properly. The FO can't freak this up like they did with Sanchez. I have full trust in Duff to complete this task though.
So freaking pumped.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 10:05:43 AM
hahaha...#HugsForPuck
We really need to build around Darnold properly. The FO can't freak this up like they did with Sanchez. I have full trust in Duff to complete this task though.
So freaking pumped.
It helps that currently Darnold's window and the general team window are much closer together than Sanchez was with the roster we gave him.
Our current roster isn't being held together by a group of old vets on the verge of irrelevance or retirement, so there's time and room to build around him.
The moment we drafted Sanchez, the clock was ticking and the window slammed shut in 2011 due to Tanny's failure to build depth and find worthy successors for older players.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 10:07:05 AM
It helps that currently Darnold's window and the general team window are much closer together than Sanchez was with the roster we gave him.
Our current roster isn't being held together by a group of old vets on the verge of irrelevance or retirement, so there's time and room to build around him.
The moment we drafted Sanchez, the clock was ticking and the window slammed shut in 2011 due to Tanny's failure to build depth and find worthy successors for older players.
Correct on all fronts.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 10:08:37 AM
It helps that currently Darnold's window and the general team window are much closer together than Sanchez was with the roster we gave him.
Our current roster isn't being held together by a group of old vets on the verge of irrelevance or retirement, so there's time and room to build around him.
The moment we drafted Sanchez, the clock was ticking and the window slammed shut in 2011 due to Tanny's failure to build depth and find worthy successors for older players.
Add in Rex's penchant for washed up WR's and getting rid of some of the Jets better WR"s in lieu of them.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 10:09:32 AM
hahaha...#HugsForPuck
We really need to build around Darnold properly. The FO can't freak this up like they did with Sanchez. I have full trust in Duff to complete this task though.
So freaking pumped.
Yep, espeially the bolded...lmao
Post by: Laxin on April 27, 2018, 10:12:56 AM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 10:18:56 AM
I am glad we missed out on Kirk Cousins. Its not even close.
I don't even know who we would or should have taken at #6 if we managed to sign Cousins.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 10:23:29 AM
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/dan-orlovsky-2018-nfl-draft-class-quarterback-breakdown
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 10:30:40 AM
I am glad we missed out on Kirk Cousins. Its not even close.
Oh excrement...this is bang on.
The fact Minny took a CB in the first round instead of shoring up their oline to protect Cousins is funny too.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 10:31:36 AM
I don't even know who we would or should have taken at #6 if we managed to sign Cousins.
Roquan Smith might've been my choice in this alternate universe.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 10:34:25 AM
Oh excrement...this is bang on.
The fact Minny took a CB in the first round instead of shoring up their oline to protect Cousins is funny too.
I would love the fact the Jets needed to pay Darnold such that he's the highest paid QB in 5 years.
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 10:39:47 AM
I would love the fact the Jets needed to pay Darnold such that he's the highest paid QB in 5 years.
Just hit me....Possible tailgate game could have Darnold vs Cousins in mid october. And i have to miss it.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2018, 10:41:46 AM
@JeffPassan
Josh Rosen’s great-great-great grandfather founded the Wharton School of Business.
Sam Darnold’s grandfather was named Dick Hammer.
Darnold > Rosen
Post by: Gorilla on April 27, 2018, 11:01:04 AM
Best prospect I've ever seen this team draft, and FINALLY we get the best QB prospect in a class.
I haven't shut up about this kid for a year and a half.
Seriously, has there been a more-or-as highly regarded prospect than Darnold that we've chosen? At least in past 15 or so years?
Maybe Leo?
He shits on any of the QB prospects we've ever drafted, since Namath.
What I'm trying to say is: LET'S GOOOOOO!!!
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2018, 11:02:41 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 11:06:51 AM
Wow, I'm so unbelievably stoked and on board with this pick.
Best prospect I've ever seen this team draft, and FINALLY we get the best QB prospect in a class.
I haven't shut up about this kid for a year and a half.
Seriously, has there been a more-or-as highly regarded prospect than Darnold that we've chosen? At least in past 15 or so years?
Maybe Leo?
He shits on any of the QB prospects we've ever drafted, since Namath.
What I'm trying to say is: LET'S GOOOOOO!!!
Let’s Go
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 11:09:06 AM
I keep waiting for a late pass interference flag to take Darnold away from us.
Shut up you dick don't spoil the happiness, we're so freaking happy, MB and I are spooning.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 27, 2018, 11:09:38 AM
Wow, I'm so unbelievably stoked and on board with this pick.
Best prospect I've ever seen this team draft, and FINALLY we get the best QB prospect in a class.
I haven't shut up about this kid for a year and a half.
Seriously, has there been a more-or-as highly regarded prospect than Darnold that we've chosen? At least in past 15 or so years?
Maybe Leo?
He shits on any of the QB prospects we've ever drafted, since Namath.
What I'm trying to say is: LET'S GOOOOOO!!!
Oh freaking yeah........lets go!
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 11:10:47 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 11:12:43 AM
Honestly it seems like the only negative reactions I'm seeing to this pick are from SOJFs. General sentiment from analysts, pundits, and other teams fans (all worthless, I know, but still) is very positive.
Pete Prisco needs to DIAF
Post by: Gorilla on April 27, 2018, 11:13:50 AM
I keep waiting for a late pass interference flag to take Darnold away from us.
Oh my god, this just reminded me of an actual dream I had a couple weeks ago...
Darnold fell to us, we run to podium and select him....and Goodell reveals that we can't take him because of improper contact with him when he was ineligible or some crazy-derriere dream nonsense, so we then settled for Rosen.
Last night was so perfect I still can't believe it. Watching the two picks happen ahead of us, PLUS the Jets having rosen and Allen also on the board at 3, was like watching lottery numbers being revealed and they're successively matching the ticket in your hand until it magically happens and you win.
Of course, this is the Jets so he'll probably turn into Hackenchez, but you can't take last night away from me, goddamnit.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2018, 11:16:30 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 11:17:05 AM
Quote
Darron Lee
Verified account @DLeeMG8
42s43 seconds ago
Thinking of ways to torment Darnie (in a fun way) cause he's a rook n all
#Darnie
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2018, 11:30:24 AM
Post by: Gorilla on April 27, 2018, 11:36:33 AM
I think if the Jets had kept the 6th pick with Cousins, they could have traded down, or we could have taken Quenton Nelson.
I probably would have been rooting for Nelson or Edmunds in that alternate crappiverse. Eta: Roquan smith too
Good lord....Cousins instead of Darnold...(shudder)
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 27, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
I'd also rather not see him become shellshocked and turn into Hackenberg or David Carr.
Carr played right away and Hackenberg still hasn't been on the field. Neither worked out in the end, but aside from that, what do they have in common? You could say Carr maybe was "shellshocked" but Hackenberg? Was dressing for the last New England game that traumatic?
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 27, 2018, 12:49:03 PM
I think if the Jets had kept the 6th pick with Cousins, they could have traded down, or we could have taken Quenton Nelson.
I'm so glad we didn't do that, would have led to more mediocrity.
We found our way to the top of the draft and luckily Cleveland was the team picking a QB ahead of us.
Post by: ons on April 27, 2018, 12:55:28 PM
Carr played right away and Hackenberg still hasn't been on the field. Neither worked out in the end, but aside from that, what do they have in common? You could say Carr maybe was "shellshocked" but Hackenberg? Was dressing for the last New England game that traumatic?
Hackenberg played behind some historically horrific offensive lines at Penn State, when they were suffering from their post-Sandusky sanctions and Bill O'Brien abruptly leaving after Hackenberg's freshman year. If there was ever a case of a quarterback prospect being ruined by their college, Hackenberg would be it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 27, 2018, 01:01:03 PM
Hackenberg played behind some historically horrific offensive lines at Penn State, when they were suffering from their post-Sandusky sanctions and Bill O'Brien abruptly leaving after Hackenberg's freshman year. If there was ever a case of a quarterback prospect being ruined by their college, Hackenberg would be it.
Wow. Sounds like a transfer might have been a better option than declaring for the draft.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 01:42:03 PM
Wow. Sounds like a transfer might have been a better option than declaring for the draft.
He got screwed for honoring his commitment to the school.
Post by: Laxin on April 27, 2018, 01:45:57 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 02:11:24 PM
4 years | $30.370m | $20.167m signing bonus.
Cap Hits:
2018: $5.521m
2019: $6.902m
2020: $8.282m
2021: $9.663m
#NYJ hold a team option for a fifth year.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 02:16:09 PM
Sam Darnold’s rookie contract with the #Jets should be the following, per OTC.
4 years | $30.370m | $20.167m signing bonus.
Cap Hits:
2018: $5.521m
2019: $6.902m
2020: $8.282m
2021: $9.663m
#NYJ hold a team option for a fifth year.
dcm 2020: Darnold's cap hit is pretty high next year, we could cut him for more cap space. Hackenberg might be ready to see the field in 2021.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 02:17:05 PM
Cimini: http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75956/mark-sanchez-knows-exactly-what-sam-darnold-is-walking-into
Cannizzaro: https://nypost.com/2018/04/27/mark-sanchez-to-sam-darnold-how-to-avoid-my-jets-fate/
Post by: dcm1602 on April 27, 2018, 02:32:29 PM
It helps that currently Darnold's window and the general team window are much closer together than Sanchez was with the roster we gave him.
Our current roster isn't being held together by a group of old vets on the verge of irrelevance or retirement, so there's time and room to build around him.
The moment we drafted Sanchez, the clock was ticking and the window slammed shut in 2011 due to Tanny's failure to build depth and find worthy successors for older players.
I think Sanchez would make a great backup for Darnold in a year or so when McCown retires. Guy was always a role model with all the off the field stuff just sucked on it, was supposedly an excellent influence on Dak Prescott, not to mention his history here and the many similarities him and Darnold have in common (hell they lived like 5 minutes from each other).
Post by: MBGreen on April 27, 2018, 02:41:43 PM
Post by: ScotlandJet on April 27, 2018, 02:47:41 PM
I am so high just now.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 03:17:25 PM
I am so high just now.
Me too brother
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 09:37:10 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2018, 09:42:05 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2018, 09:45:03 PM
Be remembered as the nice one...
As long as he wins a super bowl (or 10) he can be as nice as he wants
Post by: JFIF on April 27, 2018, 09:53:17 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2018, 10:22:05 PM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 11:04:00 PM
Be remembered as the nice one...
NOAT
Post by: Heismanberg on April 27, 2018, 11:08:23 PM
As long as he wins a super bowl (or 10) he can be as nice as he wants
I don't have a problem with him being nice. He seems like a really good kid and from everything I've read, his teammates at SC loved him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 11:09:44 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/nyjets/status/989680372916113408
Post by: Libero_2 on April 27, 2018, 11:11:58 PM
Video of my reaction to the pick last night:
https://mobile.twitter.com/nyjets/status/989680372916113408
Lol nice.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2018, 05:38:16 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2018, 07:00:14 AM
"Our Lord and Savior"
Quote
“What even is this game, dude?” he says to the group near the hoop.
“The game is called Boners,” he’s told.
“That’s not a very good description of it,” Darnold says, looking annoyed.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2018, 07:41:50 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2018, 07:44:12 AM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-sam-darnold-usc-20170728-htmlstory.htmlThat was a good read. Darnold seems like a stoic Eli Manning as far as attitude.
"Our Lord and Savior"
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2018, 07:45:09 AM
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MikeGarafolo: I told Darnold I cover all 32 teams so I wouldn’t be out there every day. I live in NJ so I’ll be out there to cover them occasionally. But assignments depend on how good the team is.
“Well,” he said, “I guess I’ll see you out here a lot then.”
lets go
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 28, 2018, 08:02:46 AM
That was a good read. Darnold seems like a stoic Eli Manning as far as attitude.
Hopefully he doesn’t suffer from Eli’s “run away and then throw” mechanics during his rookie season.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2018, 08:07:35 AM
Hopefully he doesn’t suffer from Eli’s “run away and then throw” mechanics during his rookie season.Darnold is 10 times the athlete Eli Manning is, he's good outside the pocket.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2018, 08:45:06 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 28, 2018, 09:00:33 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2018, 09:04:49 AM
Day 2 of waking up and not being able to believe Darnold is a Jet.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180428/4fdbbe0914007a5c013f762f355cf37e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180428/c5eb46636b423187af948a71ebc73214.gif)
Post by: Miamipuck on April 28, 2018, 09:41:34 AM
Day 2 of waking up and not being able to believe Darnold is a Jet
Day 2 AD
This all day long.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2018, 10:15:34 AM
Day 2 AD
This is it.
AD
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2018, 10:30:42 AM
Also, I really hope people listened to the Sam Darnold 360 that Badger keeps posting. It will help get you hyped about Darnold (not that any of us need that).
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2018, 10:31:24 AM
The Earth was much nicer AD than in the late Genoian period.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2018, 10:34:38 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2018, 10:36:00 AM
It's funny how body types.make.playera look different than numbers suggest. If you just look at Darnold and Rosen on the field, Darnold looks 6'5 230 and Rosen looks 6'3" 205.
Josh Rosen is also ugly as excrement and has the most punchable face of anyone in this draft class.
(https://www.bardown.com/polopoly_fs/1.1069548!/fileimage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/josh-rosen.png)
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2018, 10:46:33 AM
Josh Rosen is also ugly as excrement and has the most punchable face of anyone in this draft class.I would have loved him if he were our guy.
(https://www.bardown.com/polopoly_fs/1.1069548!/fileimage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/josh-rosen.png)
But he's not, so I agree completely.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 28, 2018, 10:59:31 AM
lets go
So simple yet awesome.
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2018, 10:59:32 AM
I really hope AD becomes a thing.http://www.stitcher.com/s?fid=53636
Also, I really hope people listened to the Sam Darnold 360 that Badger keeps posting. It will help get you hyped about Darnold (not that any of us need that).
Mandatory listening
On mobile so not sure if the link is right
Post by: Libero_2 on April 28, 2018, 11:00:43 AM
I really hope AD becomes a thing.
Also, I really hope people listened to the Sam Darnold 360 that Badger keeps posting. It will help get you hyped about Darnold (not that any of us need that).
It was awesome to listen to last night on a road trip. Sam is the right guy talent wise, character wise and he's a perfect fit in what we want. Honestly I'll be shocked if he doesn't become a perrenial top 5 QB in the league
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2018, 11:02:20 AM
Honestly I'll be shocked if he doesn't become a perrenial top 5 QB in the league
OK, slow it down a bit there. The guy has yet to take a training session with an NFL team, much less throw a pass in anger.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2018, 11:04:13 AM
OK, slow it down a bit there. The guy has yet to take a training session with an NFL team, much less throw a pass in anger.You're right. Top 6.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2018, 11:18:43 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 28, 2018, 11:19:27 AM
OK, slow it down a bit there. The guy has yet to take a training session with an NFL team, much less throw a pass in anger.
As far as prospects go, he's as good a chance as any top drafted rookie of accomplishing that feat. Especially since in the next 3 years there will several vacancies available in that particular category
Post by: dcm1602 on April 28, 2018, 11:29:46 AM
As far as prospects go, he's as good a chance as any top drafted rookie of accomplishing that feat. Especially since in the next 3 years there will several vacancies available in that particular category
It's still crazy to talk about a 20 year old rookie QB being a top 5 QB.
He's got all the potential in the world, and is probably the best QB prospect this franchise has had in the last 50 years. But being a top 5 QB is such a long shot for any QB prospect. Hell look at Andrew Luck. Dude was the Messiah coming out of college and he's got a long way to go. I would say the franchise and coaching is close to as important as the QB prospect. And just take a look at how catastrophically bad we fucked up things with Sanchez.
I'm extremely optimistic and hopeful about Darnold, but it would be wise to temper expectations
Post by: Miamipuck on April 28, 2018, 11:35:09 AM
Josh Rosen is also ugly as excrement and has the most punchable face of anyone in this draft class.
(https://www.bardown.com/polopoly_fs/1.1069548!/fileimage/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/josh-rosen.png)
There's a lot of sexual tension between you and Rosen.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2018, 11:59:31 AM
Damn that was quick. Russell Wilson is on notice
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2018, 12:04:33 PM
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2018, 12:12:44 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/atlantichealth/status/990266976063885312
Damn that was quick. Russell Wilson is on notice
Early reports are that the kid in the photo was herpes-free ten minutes after St. Darnold's visit.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 28, 2018, 01:16:40 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/atlantichealth/status/990266976063885312
Damn that was quick. Russell Wilson is on notice
my young cousin was once a patient in the cancer ward of this hospital.
man this pick gets better by the day. i really hope everything pans out and he's the one to lead us to glory
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2018, 01:18:34 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2018, 01:26:44 PM
Like he’s been here for years.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2018, 01:27:37 PM
Friday afternoon: North and South Korea announce a peace accord, an end to the Korean War and a plan for denuclearisation
I think it would be a huge stretch to consider these things a coincidence.
#OurLordAndSaviour
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2018, 01:46:40 PM
Thursday evening: Sam Darnold selected by the JetsI fully expect to live in a eutopian world while receiving perpetual blow jobs from supermodels by Tuesday.
Friday afternoon: North and South Korea announce a peace accord, an end to the Korean War and a plan for denuclearisation
I think it would be a huge stretch to consider these things a coincidence.
#OurLordAndSaviour
Post by: JFIF on April 28, 2018, 04:47:03 PM
Tiger woods seemed like a square and he still f.vcked any female that walked
Not until he was famous. And he was famous because of how much he was winning.
I’ll happily take a late career meltdown if he dominates over a decade
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 29, 2018, 06:50:32 AM
Thursday evening: Sam Darnold selected by the Jets
Friday afternoon: North and South Korea announce a peace accord, an end to the Korean War and a plan for denuclearisation
I think it would be a huge stretch to consider these things a coincidence.
#OurLordAndSaviour
Great again.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 29, 2018, 07:39:48 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 29, 2018, 09:01:59 AM
A friend Friday night caught me off guard, Cowboys fan, said congratulations. I was like "the f*ck did I do?", then "oh yeah."
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2018, 09:31:35 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2018, 10:45:55 AM
Mitch Trubisky
Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Blake Bortles
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin
Cam Newton
Sam Bradford
Matthew Stafford
Matt Ryan
JaMarcus Russell
Vince Young
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
One complete bust, three failed to become franchise QBs because of injury derailed careers, the rest are all franchise guys. But only one of them has a ring.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 29, 2018, 11:22:35 AM
List of QBs taken in the top 3 in the last 15 years:
Mitch Trubisky
Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Blake Bortles
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin
Cam Newton
Sam Bradford
Matthew Stafford
Matt Ryan
JaMarcus Russell
Vince Young
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
One complete bust, three failed to become franchise QBs because of injury derailed careers, the rest are all franchise guys. But only one of them has a ring.
two of them. wentz has a ring
Post by: dcm1602 on April 29, 2018, 11:38:55 AM
List of QBs taken in the top 3 in the last 15 years:
Mitch Trubisky
Jared Goff
Carson Wentz
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Blake Bortles
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin
Cam Newton
Sam Bradford
Matthew Stafford
Matt Ryan
JaMarcus Russell
Vince Young
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
One complete bust, three failed to become franchise QBs because of injury derailed careers, the rest are all franchise guys. But only one of them has a ring.
I wouldn't call them all franchise guys. Palmer could have been maybe but injury bug, Alex Smith not so much, there's a reason he's on his 3rd team. Vince Young was trash, Russell a true bust. Bradford another injury one. Griffin was a bust, luck TBD, Bortles a bust, Winston Goff and MITCH also TBD.
I'd say over half the guys on that list were never franchise QBs although there's a couple who are too early in their careers to judge. And you can't give the injury ridden guys a pass either. Someone like Luck would almost certainly have been (and still could) be a true franchise QB. But I absolutely wouldn't give that mantle to rg3 or palmer or Bradford.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2018, 11:55:13 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2018, 12:22:23 PM
I wouldn't call them all franchise guys. Palmer could have been maybe but injury bug, Alex Smith not so much, there's a reason he's on his 3rd team. Vince Young was trash, Russell a true bust. Bradford another injury one. Griffin was a bust, luck TBD, Bortles a bust, Winston Goff and MITCH also TBD.
And I say you're talking crap. A franchise quarterback is one that isn't just holding the position until a better option comes along, and all bar the four I note (Russell the bust, Palmer, Bradford and Griffin the ones derailed by injury) have absolutely been or still are that.
Alex Smith was the guy in SF until the constant changing of OC and scheme unstuck him and Kaepernick got the shot under Harbaugh, then he was the guy in Kansas, and now that age has started catching up he's still managing to be the guy in Washington. Of course he's a franchise QB.
Young was a complete dickhead but he was a brilliant player in Tennessee, if he hadn't acted like such a tool he'd absolutely have stayed there. They sure as hell weren't looking to replace him, he was absolutely the franchise guy there for a while.
How the freak is Bortles a bust? He has had a lot of excrement for playing on a bad team, but he gets better every year as that team does and he's the leader of that franchise.
It's too early to tell with Trubisky but again, if you think that Winston and Goff aren't franchise players then I don't think you really understand what it means.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 29, 2018, 12:33:51 PM
And I say you're talking crap. A franchise quarterback is one that isn't just holding the position until a better option comes along, and all bar the four I note (Russell the bust, Palmer, Bradford and Griffin the ones derailed by injury) have absolutely been or still are that.
Alex Smith was the guy in SF until the constant changing of OC and scheme unstuck him and Kaepernick got the shot under Harbaugh, then he was the guy in Kansas, and now that age has started catching up he's still managing to be the guy in Washington. Of course he's a franchise QB.
Young was a complete dickhead but he was a brilliant player in Tennessee, if he hadn't acted like such a tool he'd absolutely have stayed there. They sure as hell weren't looking to replace him, he was absolutely the franchise guy there for a while.
How the freak is Bortles a bust? He has had a lot of excrement for playing on a bad team, but he gets better every year as that team does and he's the leader of that franchise.
It's too early to tell with Trubisky but again, if you think that Winston and Goff aren't franchise players then I don't think you really understand what it means.
goff is a nice player. ill always remember that thursday night football game between the rams vs 49ers as the best thursday night football game i've ever watched, he was awesome in it. not sure how anybody could be down on him right now
Post by: dcm1602 on April 29, 2018, 12:37:15 PM
So Jets fans shouldn't be that excited about Darnold because we had a franchise QB only a few years ago
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2018, 12:52:03 PM
So by your logic Mark Sanchez was a franchise quarterback
So Jets fans shouldn't be that excited about Darnold because we had a franchise QB only a few years ago
Yeah, for a couple of years he was. And well done on managing to figure out the point, which is that while it's exciting to have a hot young prospect who's likely to be our franchise guy for quite some time to come, we shouldn't assume that it's an automatic path to multiple Lombardis.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 29, 2018, 01:09:59 PM
i'm not sure it's really hit me yet, but i think that'll change when i actually see him out there for us
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2018, 01:23:56 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 29, 2018, 01:26:17 PM
Changing topics, how quickly do we think Darnold sees the field?
After the bye or when McCown gets hurt
If Bridgewater somehow sticks I would think week 14 or 15
And obviously Darnold isn't Hackenberg, but look at how conservative our leadership was with Hackenberg. He didn't do anything whatsoever for two years. Darnold is a much more promising prospect and talent, but the coaching approach was incredibly conservative with him. Barring injury issues (including both McCown and Bridgewater) I'd be shocked to see Darnold play before the bye week
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2018, 02:04:42 PM
Changing topics, how quickly do we think Darnold sees the field?
I think he’s going to start Week 1
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 29, 2018, 02:22:05 PM
remember that excrement
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2018, 02:30:00 PM
It's like scoring with the hottest girl in school on prom night. The next day is great and all, but really all that you remember is prom night.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 29, 2018, 02:34:06 PM
I think he’s going to start Week 1
I do, too. McCown's going to enter training camp as the starter but I think Darnold's going to force the team's hand at some point prior to the end of the preseason. I'll be surprised if he's not starting Monday night against the Lions.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2018, 02:38:39 PM
I hope Teddy somehow proves that he's healthy. Not that I care to keep him but maybe we can get something for him. I suspect he'll have to prove a lot just to make the roster. He isn't worth $5 million to keep on the bench all season. Especially with Darnold here now. Only reason to keep him is trade/compensatory value.
Hopefully Teddy gets a good deal of preseason action and plays well.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 29, 2018, 02:44:21 PM
I think McCown starts week 1. Bowles has always leaned toward the veteran. Just a gut feeling.
I hope Teddy somehow proves that he's healthy. Not that I care to keep him but maybe we can get something for him. I suspect he'll have to prove a lot just to make the roster. He isn't worth $5 million to keep on the bench all season. Especially with Darnold here now. Only reason to keep him is trade/compensatory value.
Hopefully Teddy gets a good deal of preseason action and plays well.
Isn't most of his contract tied to starts, and stats?
He's not getting 6 million as the backup
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
Isn't most of his contract tied to starts, and stats?If he is on the roster all year he is.
He's not getting 6 million as the backup
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/03/teddy_bridgewaters_jets_contract_complete_breakdow.html
Quote
Maximum length: One year
Maximum value: $15 million (with incentives)
Signing bonus: $500,000
Total guarantee: $500,000
Fully guaranteed money at signing:$500,000 (just the signing bonus)
2018: $5 million (non-guaranteed salary), $500,000 workout bonus, $6 million salary cap figure, $500,000 dead money
Notes: Up to $9 million in incentives connected to Bridgewater's playing time, passing yards, and touchdowns in 2018.
The part tied to starts and stats is beyond the $5 million salary. If he's on the team all year and doesn't play a snap he gets $6 million.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 29, 2018, 02:54:23 PM
I guess you need to decide if this is expected to be McCowns last season as well and if Bridgewater is adamant on being a starter again or if he can be roped into a long term backup
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2018, 04:12:03 PM
Post by: reuben on April 29, 2018, 04:32:18 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/8frycq/my_dream_mccowndarnold_scenario/
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Darnold took it like a champ. Turns out that Lamar Jackson was not the best receiver in the draft after all.
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Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
However, I like his mental makeup a lot and I dont think he would fall apart mentally if he struggles as a rookie, so maybe getting him more experience isnt a bad idea.
All of it depends on how good he is in camp and preseason.
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2018, 05:39:18 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 29, 2018, 08:36:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 29, 2018, 08:37:19 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2018, 08:58:17 PM
She didn’t say no. Looks like I’m getting engaged
Well, it looks like she might be.
Or is this a weird way of saying that you just proposed and she didn't laugh at you? In which case, congratulations!
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2018, 08:58:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 29, 2018, 09:26:35 PM
Well, it looks like she might be.
Or is this a weird way of saying that you just proposed and she didn't laugh at you? In which case, congratulations!
Almost, she has tolerated me talking about nothing other than #OurLordAndSavior for the past 3 days to know that she’s the one.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 29, 2018, 10:37:43 PM
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When the Jets took Darnold No. 3 overall Thursday, Parcells texted Todd Bowles, his old assistant coach, and said, “You’ve got a great kid. Help him win.”
Parcells, now 76 and enjoying life away from football, believes the Jets found a quarterback.
“I really think he’s interested in winning,” Parcells told The Post on Sunday. “I say this in a complimentary way, I don’t think he’s ready to be a star, if you know what I mean. Some of these guys come out of the draft and they’re ready to be a star. I think he’s ready to be a football player.”
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2018, 05:15:27 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2018, 06:03:08 AM
Day 4 AD
My man
Post by: Coach K on April 30, 2018, 06:31:07 AM
"Sam Darnold is still your QB"
all praises to the most high
Post by: Coach K on April 30, 2018, 08:35:13 AM
Thank god for Cleveland. I bet John Elway is saying the same thing for getting Chubb
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2018, 08:39:36 AM
just want to harp on the fact there was a hype thread for the other top 3 QB prospects, not Sam Darnold. Why? because we never thought he would be a possibility.I thought about making one but could never think of a good name.
Thank god for Cleveland. I bet John Elway is saying the same thing for getting Chubb
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2018, 08:40:55 AM
Whole article is worth a read but here's a highlight:
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When the Jets took Darnold No. 3 overall Thursday, Parcells texted Todd Bowles, his old assistant coach, and said, “You’ve got a great kid. Help him win.”
Parcells, now 76 and enjoying life away from football, believes the Jets found a quarterback.
“I really think he’s interested in winning,” Parcells told The Post on Sunday. “I say this in a complimentary way, I don’t think he’s ready to be a star, if you know what I mean. Some of these guys come out of the draft and they’re ready to be a star. I think he’s ready to be a football player.”
There is no higher compliment from Parcells than being called a football player. Phil Simms, Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, Curtis Martin and Vinny Testaverde were all football players.
Agent Jimmy Sexton arranged the meeting between Parcells, one of his former clients, and the two young quarterbacks, both represented by Sexton’s agency. Parcells said the meeting wasn’t “anything special,” but it was to Darnold and Allen.
“I think the main thing was just, ‘Get back in the huddle,’ ” Darnold said of what he took from the meeting. “That was his phrase that he kept saying. No matter what the score is on Sunday, no matter what happens on Sunday, Monday or Tuesday, just get back in the huddle that next week. There was a lot of things I took away from Coach Parcells. I have like two pages of notes.”
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 30, 2018, 08:51:28 AM
really like this kid
Post by: Laxin on April 30, 2018, 09:07:25 AM
just want to harp on the fact there was a hype thread for the other top 3 QB prospects, not Sam Darnold. Why? because we never thought he would be a possibility.
Thank god for Cleveland. I bet John Elway is saying the same thing for getting Chubb
Sam Darnold needs no hype thread.
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2018, 09:15:21 AM
Sam Darnold needs no hype thread.
Until he's our starting QB. Then he gets a worship thread like Adams and Williams.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2018, 09:24:10 AM
Until he's our starting QB. Then he gets a worship thread like Adams and Williams.
My Body Is Ready
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 30, 2018, 09:33:43 AM
most all of us had focused on other qbs during this whole process as we felt we had no shot at him this whole time
it cannot be understated how awesome duff's move up to #3 was.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2018, 09:41:51 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2018, 09:56:16 AM
It's fun to go back in the draft thread right after the Giants took Barkley. It was unanimous draft boners and yelling. Then we took Darnold, and we all collectively won the lottery. Awesome.
I was at Festival International here in Lafayette and I was following on Twitter. We're surrounded by probably close to 4,000 people in an amphitheater...the data is moving slowly because it's congested.
When Mayfield and Barkely came off the board, I frantically refreshed my feed to see who are pick was. I just started repeating "Please let it be Darnold" over and over again. My pizza kept asking me who Darnold is. She's heard about Mayfield, Rosen, and Allen for a month and was sick of them. Why would I ever mention a player we didn't have a chance at?
When our pick came through, I just closed my eyes and threw my arms in the air in victory. It looked like I was some sort of evangelical throwing my hands up in praise...and I was most certainly was.
He has risen.
Our Lord and Savior Sam Darnold.
Post by: Laxin on April 30, 2018, 10:11:18 AM
I was at Festival International here in Lafayette and I was following on Twitter. We're surrounded by probably close to 4,000 people in an amphitheater...the data is moving slowly because it's congested.
When Mayfield and Barkely came off the board, I frantically refreshed my feed to see who are pick was. I just started repeating "Please let it be Darnold" over and over again. My pizza kept asking me who Darnold is. She's heard about Mayfield, Rosen, and Allen for a month and was sick of them. Why would I ever mention a player we didn't have a chance at?
When our pick came through, I just closed my eyes and threw my arms in the air in victory. It looked like I was some sort of evangelical throwing my hands up in praise...and I was most certainly was.
He has risen.
Our Lord and Savior Sam Darnold.
This is great.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2018, 10:36:08 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2018, 10:40:51 AM
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2018, 10:54:07 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 30, 2018, 10:56:29 AM
I was at Festival International here in Lafayette and I was following on Twitter. We're surrounded by probably close to 4,000 people in an amphitheater...the data is moving slowly because it's congested.
When Mayfield and Barkely came off the board, I frantically refreshed my feed to see who are pick was. I just started repeating "Please let it be Darnold" over and over again. My pizza kept asking me who Darnold is. She's heard about Mayfield, Rosen, and Allen for a month and was sick of them. Why would I ever mention a player we didn't have a chance at?
When our pick came through, I just closed my eyes and threw my arms in the air in victory. It looked like I was some sort of evangelical throwing my hands up in praise...and I was most certainly was.
He has risen.
Our Lord and Savior Sam Darnold.
I don't think we've ever met, but that was probably the first time I ever I wished I was around you, just to see your reaction.
I was merging onto 80 east from 206 south, a big long loop, at the moment the Giants made their pick. Had to focus to not crash into a guard rail. With Mayfield gone and Darnold still there, I was pretty sure we were taking Darnold, as were the guys on NFL radio. I'm not even sure why there was a short wait and they didn't just run up to the podium hurdling chairs.
Post by: Coach K on April 30, 2018, 12:48:27 PM
i dragged my GF to my parents house (dont have cable and i wanted to watch the top 15 with my dad) ,soon as Mayfield was drafted i screamed at my TV "THANK YOU! YOU freaking MORONS!" My GF spent the whole draft process telling me, I know you like Rosen , but prepare for Mayfield, i dont want you to have a melt down when they draft him .
My GF looked at me and said "Rosen?" i looked back "As long as the Giants dont take Darnold its going to be Darnold". She replies "whos Darnold?"
"probably the only guy i wanted more than Rosen, but i never thought it would be possible"
We draft Darnold (my dad isnt a HUGE NCAA guy just SEC and ACC mostly) he looks at me for approval
I stand up screaming and fist pumping " freak YOU CLEVELAND, THANK YOU DIPSHITS! WE GOT A FRANCHISE QB!"
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2018, 12:53:47 PM
He wasn't drafted to redshirt a year.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2018, 12:57:21 PM
After the Browns took Mayfield, I was like "Holy excrement, please Giants take Barkley!" Then they did, and I was sitting there like "Holy excrement, we get either Rosen or Darnold. Holy excrement. Holy excrement. Holy excrement."
Then Goodell came to the podium, and said "With the 3rd pick in the 2018 NFL draft, the New York Jets select..." Then my freaking TV screen went blank! I was freaking out. Screaming, cursing. So I looked back here at the board and was like "Oh. My. God!"
It still doesn't feel real.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 30, 2018, 01:24:31 PM
i was thinkig goodell would go up there, and ultimately say 'the new york jets select...josh'
and then we'd hear allen
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2018, 01:36:17 PM
i was kind of scared after saquon was drafted
i was thinkig goodell would go up there, and ultimately say 'the new york jets select...josh'
and then we'd hear allen
I was muttering "anyone but Allen."
Post by: MBGreen on April 30, 2018, 02:27:47 PM
Haha. When Barkley came off the board I erupted and ran around the room. When we took Darnold I sat there in silence and disbelief.I did my best tony Sparano running fist pump
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2018, 04:37:08 PM
I was muttering "anyone but Allen."
Similar to this except a lot more goat blood and prayers to Bal.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2018, 05:09:16 PM
I was mostly relieved it wasn't Josh Allen and excited to finally have a young QB to support.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2018, 06:51:09 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 30, 2018, 07:20:38 PM
"Sam, what's the first thing you want to see in New York?"
"I just want to see my teammates."
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2018, 07:23:55 PM
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Browns VP of player personnel Alonzo Highsmith said No. 1 overall pick Baker Mayfield "blew the team away" with his off-field intangibles.
"Here's the honest to God's truth," Highsmith said. "From the start of his college football season to the end of the season, I had [Sam] Darnold No. 1 and Baker No. 2. On our way through everything, you couldn't tell me Darnold wasn't the best. Then comes the part where you meet them off the field. You watch their workouts. You watch everything. And Baker blew me away. Highly, highly intelligent. Highly competitive. When he walked into a room, you knew he was there." Highsmith said Josh Allen was last among the first-round quarterbacks on the Browns' board.
Don't get me wrong he's complimenting Mayfield, but he's also flat out saying that Darnold was clearly superior on the football field no question
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 30, 2018, 07:26:52 PM
https://youtu.be/xHXK_nfm4DY
"Sam, what's the first thing you want to see in New York?"
"I just want to see my teammates."
so gay
Post by: dcm1602 on April 30, 2018, 08:00:07 PM
Although i don't plan on ordering anything until Darnold officially gets a number
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2018, 08:08:01 PM
Also I know a lot of people were asking about where the go to Asian website for jerseys is these days. Supposedly Jenna Jersey is a good one.Sounds like a pornstar.
Although i don't plan on ordering anything until Darnold officially gets a number
Post by: reuben on April 30, 2018, 08:27:09 PM
If Darnold isn't starting by October, I'll be pissed off. If he isn't the full-time starter by November, I want everyone fired and give him a staff that can actually do their jobs.
He wasn't drafted to redshirt a year.
If this dude gives us 15 years of perennial contention, I could give a excrement whether or not he does anything year 1. He can backpack across Europe until January for all I care if that's what will help him reach his potential.
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2018, 08:51:45 PM
If this dude gives us 15 years of perennial contention, I could give a excrement whether or not he does anything year 1. He can backpack across Europe* until January for all I care if that's what will help him reach his potential.
*hike the Appalachian Trail
Post by: reuben on April 30, 2018, 11:02:13 PM
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Post by: Pope on May 01, 2018, 12:01:33 AM
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Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 01, 2018, 05:40:32 AM
Sam is going to have a career slightly better than Ryan Tannehill and most Jets fans will hate him unfairly
If that’s the case, I will, and it will be fair.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 01, 2018, 05:58:48 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2018, 06:45:33 AM
Day 5 AD
Best one so far. Can’t wait to see what day 6 brings. #blessed
Post by: Laxin on May 01, 2018, 08:23:33 AM
Day 5 AD
Still can't believe it
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 08:35:44 AM
FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE SUPER BOWL RIIIIIIIIINGS
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2018, 08:42:43 AM
defend us in battle.
Be our protector against the snares...
...and the wickedness of the Josh Allen.
Now, son, who's that?
- St. Darnold.
- Who is it?
- St. Darnold!
- And what did he do?
He cast Hobbes out of paradise.
Good boy.
Post by: Coach K on May 01, 2018, 08:52:36 AM
"Steel yourself! You're Tom Brady!" He thought, as he re positioned the rear view mirror as to assert his confidence as he gazed upon a face he recognizes less, day by day. He stepped out the car and the moment his foot hit solid earth, an ominous relief washed over him. "This is Gillette, the best a man can get. I am the best man ANYONE can get!" Suddenly this relief started to shapeshift, a cascade of thoughts showered his focus, confidence washing away in the tide. "What does the doorman know that I dont?"
He rushed home, ignoring calls from friends, family and teammates. No amount of lobster or baked beans could bring respite to his weary mind as he drove. The road melted into a wormhole of doubt as he wondered "what is this feeling, what is so different about today?" . As he parked, he walked towards his building with determination, he was going to become whole again , one way or another. The doorman's face became a mood ring, an Ahi Tuna red of either anxiety or mischief, Tom couldnt discern up from down at this point. He grabbed the doorman by the collar of his shirt and wrung it forward, "Tell me what you know!" he bellowed. The Doorman slowly started to raise his hand, the thoughts of suffocation preoccupied his mind as he aimed his hand towards the heavens. "STOP GIVING ME RIDDLES AND GIVE ME THE TRUTH!" Tom yelled . The doorman muttered through the cackling spit of his throat struggling for air, "go......up......there".
Tom knew that fate had one final twist for him as everything lately had seemed to fallen in his lap. Was this the price to pay for greatness? What cruel thorn has life's rose placed in his hand today? He slide the keys into his door and opened the door........a strange musk hit his sense. "No.......i know that smell" He rushed around the corner of his living room to be taken aback by what transpired before him.
Sam Darnold was throat freaking Giselle over the end of their couch while she queefed out clam chowder. "THIS WAS OUR THING! YOU TOLD ME YOU ONLY DID THIS WITH ME!" Tom cried.
"Bitch its the 5th day AD (AFTER DARNOLD ). Youre old news"
Tom Brady sunk his head, he quietly shuffled his feet to his bedroom, with the creamy mollusk based vaginal flatulence still reverberating in the background . He picked up a picture of his eldest son, "Guess I'll always have you" he licked his lips and kissed the photo.
(end credits roll)
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 09:02:48 AM
The evil spawn of Overlord Belicheck awoke on the 5th day. His Ugg boots didnt fit as comfortably as they once did. His morning smoothie had a taste quite unfamiliar to him. The doorman who usually tips his cap with a smile , saying "Hello Mr Brady", only had a short glance of disregard. This felt much like the parties at Michigan where women glanced past him circa 1997 for Brian Griese. Nevertheless, he marched on with his day, pulling up to the Stadium for a workout with his WR's. As he put his Range Rover into park, he heard Danny Ammendola's voice " I dont feel so good Mr. Brady" images flashed of the Front Office sliding Danny's offer sheet back across the table with no offer to match Miami. "I dont want to go, I dont want to go" Brady held Danny in his arms and assured him everything was fine, yet in that moment, it was a mere illusion of comfort as Danny faded away to an Art Deco , cocaine fueled, boat shoes and white khaki slack hellhole known as South beach.
"Steel yourself! You're Tom Brady!" He thought, as he re positioned the rear view mirror as to assert his confidence as he gazed upon a face he recognizes less, day by day. He stepped out the car and the moment his foot hit solid earth, an ominous relief washed over him. "This is Gillette, the best a man can get. I am the best man ANYONE can get!" Suddenly this relief started to shapeshift, a cascade of thoughts showered his focus, confidence washing away in the tide. "What does the doorman know that I dont?"
He rushed home, ignoring calls from friends, family and teammates. No amount of lobster or baked beans could bring respite to his weary mind as he drove. The road melted into a wormhole of doubt as he wondered "what is this feeling, what is so different about today?" . As he parked, he walked towards his building with determination, he was going to become whole again , one way or another. The doorman's face became a mood ring, an Ahi Tuna red of either anxiety or mischief, Tom couldnt discern up from down at this point. He grabbed the doorman by the collar of his shirt and wrung it forward, "Tell me what you know!" he bellowed. The Doorman slowly started to raise his hand, the thoughts of suffocation preoccupied his mind as he aimed his hand towards the heavens. "STOP GIVING ME RIDDLES AND GIVE ME THE TRUTH!" Tom yelled . The doorman muttered through the cackling spit of his throat struggling for air, "go......up......there".
Tom knew that fate had one final twist for him as everything lately had seemed to fallen in his lap. Was this the price to pay for greatness? What cruel thorn has life's rose placed in his hand today? He slide the keys into his door and opened the door........a strange musk hit his sense. "No.......i know that smell" He rushed around the corner of his living room to be taken aback by what transpired before him.
Sam Darnold was throat freaking Giselle over the end of their couch while she queefed out clam chowder. "THIS WAS OUR THING! YOU TOLD ME YOU ONLY DID THIS WITH ME!" Tom cried.
"Bitch its the 5th day AD (AFTER DARNOLD ). Youre old news"
Tom Brady sunk his head, he quietly shuffled his feet to his bedroom, with the creamy mollusk based vaginal flatulence still reverberating in the background . He picked up a picture of his eldest son, "Guess I'll always have you" he licked his lips and kissed the photo.
(end credits roll)
Every day we stray further from god's light.
Post by: MBGreen on May 01, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
St. Darnold, the archangel,People are wondering why i just laughed out loud at an IHOP.
defend us in battle.
Be our protector against the snares...
...and the wickedness of the Josh Allen.
Now, son, who's that?
- St. Darnold.
- Who is it?
- St. Darnold!
- And what did he do?
He cast Hobbes out of paradise.
Good boy.
Post by: Coach K on May 01, 2018, 09:17:38 AM
St. Darnold, the archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protector against the snares...
...and the wickedness of the Josh Allen.
Now, son, who's that?
- St. Darnold.
- Who is it?
- St. Darnold!
- And what did he do?
He cast Hobbes out of paradise.
Good boy.
*lights candles*
amen
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
If this dude gives us 15 years of perennial contention, I could give a excrement whether or not he does anything year 1. He can backpack across Europe until January for all I care if that's what will help him reach his potential.
I just don't see how he wouldn't be the most talented QB on the roster by Halloween. If he's not, then the staff is doing something wrong.
The evil spawn of Overlord Belicheck awoke on the 5th day. His Ugg boots didnt fit as comfortably as they once did.
...[cut for space]...
(end credits roll)
That was amazing. Well done.
Post by: Coach K on May 01, 2018, 10:27:21 AM
I just don't see how he wouldn't be the most talented QB on the roster by Halloween. If he's not, then the staff is doing something wrong.
That was amazing. Well done.
lol
*bows*
woke up too early and spewed that out before i had to do some actual work on my PC
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 10:47:02 AM
lol
*bows*
woke up too early and spewed that out before i had to do some actual work on my PC
No we're all haunted by the sound of chowder queefs.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 01, 2018, 12:09:38 PM
I just don't see how he wouldn't be the most talented QB on the roster by Halloween. If he's not, then the staff is doing something wrong.
That was amazing. Well done.
He's the most talented QB the Jets have had on any roster in the last 25 years.
Post by: Coach K on May 01, 2018, 12:22:34 PM
Darrelle Revis
✔
@Revis24
I hope he is better than the rest of the USC QBs. USC QBs haven’t developed great QBs over the years even when Pete Carroll was the head coach. Only one QB has been successful and it’s Carson Palmer!!!
Post by: MBGreen on May 01, 2018, 12:42:02 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2018, 01:37:32 PM
He's the most talented QB the Jets have had on any roster in the last 25 years.
How talented was Pennington?
I remember how good he was, but I was young enough that I can't recall if he was lacking physical tools/talent or if his arm was just destroyed by injuries.
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 01:38:22 PM
How talented was Pennington?
I remember how good he was, but I was young enough that I can't recall if he was lacking physical tools/talent or if his arm was just destroyed by injuries.
He started out with adequate arm strength and it got worse after every rotator cuff injury.
Post by: Coach K on May 01, 2018, 01:44:14 PM
How talented was Pennington?
I remember how good he was, but I was young enough that I can't recall if he was lacking physical tools/talent or if his arm was just destroyed by injuries.
his arm strength was servicable, it was never considered weak until he came back after tearing his rotator cuff.
I seriously remember people starting to whisper comparisons to Joe Montana going into the playoff game VS OAK. anyways, he was a legit top 20 prospect the year he came out imo.
I remember him rolling off the bench after Vinny went down in JAX. was at that game.
i havent been this excited about our QB since that moment and when we traded for Favre. freak Favre for witholding his injury and sinking the 8-2 start
Post by: Laxin on May 01, 2018, 02:07:35 PM
https://player.fm/series/finding-mastery-conversations-with-michael-gervais-1313033/sam-darnold-new-york-jets-quarterback
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 01, 2018, 02:35:20 PM
How talented was Pennington?
I remember how good he was, but I was young enough that I can't recall if he was lacking physical tools/talent or if his arm was just destroyed by injuries.
The injuries are what did him in. He knew the game like a coach, rarely threw picks, was very accurate and managed the clock perfectly. That's why he was able to play effectively in the playoffs even when he shouldn't have been out there with the injury. When he first came in, his play fakes would fake out the TV cameras, it helped that he had Curtis Martin as his RB.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2018, 03:34:51 PM
The injuries are what did him in. He knew the game like a coach, rarely threw picks, was very accurate and managed the clock perfectly. That's why he was able to play effectively in the playoffs even when he shouldn't have been out there with the injury. When he first came in, his play fakes would fake out the TV cameras, it helped that he had Curtis Martin as his RB.
That was my favorite thing about Pennington. His playaction was incredible. When he faked a handoff, the ball completely disappeared.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 01, 2018, 03:40:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcI3IsKXkAACRPk.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 01, 2018, 03:42:30 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2018, 03:48:45 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 01, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
I'd love to buy one, but the only other times I bought a Jets QB jersey were Pennington and Favre.
Still thinking about getting a Vinny 16. I'm an old Italian, why not?
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 03:52:14 PM
Still thinking about getting a Vinny 16. I'm an old Italian, why not?
I don't see a downside here. Vinny's legacy is set in stone, not like he can disappoint us now.
Post by: Coach K on May 01, 2018, 03:53:28 PM
Official, Darnold will wear #14
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcI3IsKXkAACRPk.jpg)
time to save up and get an authentic before the season starts
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 03:55:16 PM
time to save up and get an authentic before the season starts
I think I'm more likely to get a Jamal Adams knockoff jersey.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 01, 2018, 03:58:30 PM
I don't see a downside here. Vinny's legacy is set in stone, not like he can disappoint us now.
Yeah, he did that in Denver.
Post by: MBGreen on May 01, 2018, 04:21:39 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on May 01, 2018, 04:39:09 PM
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Post by: WD40 on May 01, 2018, 07:39:25 PM
- Keyshawn [sold on eBay twenty years ago]
- Revis
- Toddler-Sized Mangold [re-used across three kids now!]
About to invest in an adult Darnold and a small size kids version. freak yeah, I'm all in!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2018, 08:12:09 PM
I've only bought three Jets jerseys, and only own two currently:
- Keyshawn [sold on eBay twenty years ago]
- Revis
- Toddler-Sized Mangold [re-used across three kids now!]
About to invest in an adult Darnold and a small size kids version. freak yeah, I'm all in!
freak yeah
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 08:32:22 PM
I've only bought three Jets jerseys, and only own two currently:
- Keyshawn [sold on eBay twenty years ago]
- Revis
- Toddler-Sized Mangold [re-used across three kids now!]
About to invest in an adult Darnold and a small size kids version. freak yeah, I'm all in!
We found a toddler sized Chrebet jersey at a thrift shop in Seaford last summer, still fits my oldest.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 01, 2018, 09:07:42 PM
St. Darnold, the archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protector against the snares...
...and the wickedness of the Josh Allen.
Now, son, who's that?
- St. Darnold.
- Who is it?
- St. Darnold!
- And what did he do?
He cast Hobbes out of paradise.
Good boy.
this post is very good
this thread is good
we got sam darnold
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2018, 09:26:33 PM
We found a toddler sized Chrebet jersey at a thrift shop in Seafood last summer, still fits my oldest.
If you just keep having children you can keep using it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2018, 09:29:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2018, 09:30:12 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 01, 2018, 09:36:19 PM
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 09:37:09 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 01, 2018, 09:41:32 PM
https://twitter.com/awilliamson54/status/991432662295416837?s=21
I love it. That's incredible.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 01, 2018, 10:02:22 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 01, 2018, 10:05:27 PM
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Post by: Ornstein on May 01, 2018, 10:32:46 PM
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 10:35:12 PM
Does anyone know if Sam Darnold will be himself?
Big if true
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2018, 11:11:57 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2018, 04:41:15 AM
DarnoldBowl: freaking ConfirmedNew haircut?
Post by: MBGreen on May 02, 2018, 06:25:47 AM
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Post by: Coach K on May 02, 2018, 06:54:38 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2018, 07:39:03 AM
Long interview with Darnie
https://player.fm/series/finding-mastery-conversations-with-michael-gervais-1313033/sam-darnold-new-york-jets-quarterback
Hard to believe he's only 20 years old. Very mature mentally for his age.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 02, 2018, 08:12:23 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2018, 08:21:20 AM
Just posting to see if Darnold is still a Jet. Is he?
Nope
(https://tm4t.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/geno-smith-behind-the-butt-fumble-jets.jpg)
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 02, 2018, 08:41:20 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2018, 08:56:53 AM
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Post by: Heismanberg on May 02, 2018, 09:02:45 AM
SBTH
SBTJ
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2018, 09:30:07 AM
Post by: Koz on May 02, 2018, 09:39:57 AM
Im going to buy an authentic #14 Darnold....time to frame the undefeated Holmes and hang it up in the tailgate HOF.
What's with you and those damm authentic jerseys? I can get you a knockoff Titans jersey for around $7.
Post by: Badger on May 02, 2018, 09:49:31 AM
What's with you and those damm authentic jerseys? I can get you a knockoff Titans jersey for around $7.
"Just cross out the name and replace the 2 with a 1 and voila, instant Darnold"
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 02, 2018, 10:13:44 AM
I don't see a downside here. Vinny's legacy is set in stone, not like he can disappoint us now.
I was thinking the same thing. I did have a Richard Todd #14 when I was a kid.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 02, 2018, 10:14:40 AM
(https://tm4t.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/geno-smith-behind-the-butt-fumble-jets.jpg)
This is a solid reminder that no fan base deserved a stroke of good luck like ours.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2018, 10:32:45 AM
This is a solid reminder that no fan base deserved a stroke of good luck like ours.
Browns too.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 02, 2018, 10:47:39 AM
Browns too.
They've had a lot of chances to fix it at the top of the draft, though. We've had to take shots on veterans, trade up in the case of Sanchez, traded Keyshawn and lose Belichick for picks which enabled us to take Pennington mid first round, always some kind of voodoo that blows up in our face. Finally, we landed at 6, moved to 3 and the guy we had #1 fell to us.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 02, 2018, 11:31:13 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 02, 2018, 02:53:57 PM
We're entering a golden age of jets fandom, fellas.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2018, 03:30:25 PM
I just hi-fived a complete stranger wearing a ny jets hat here at Animal Kingdom. All i said was "Darnold".
We're entering a golden age of jets fandom, fellas.
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Post by: Badger on May 02, 2018, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: MBGreen
We're entering a golden age of jets fandom, fellas.
MBGreen, circa September 2009
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 02, 2018, 04:11:50 PM
Bovada
Post by: MBGreen on May 02, 2018, 04:37:35 PM
MBGreen, circa September 2009Feelz gud man
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 02, 2018, 05:22:34 PM
I just hi-fived a complete stranger wearing a ny jets hat here at Animal Kingdom. All i said was "Darnold".
We're entering a golden age of jets fandom, fellas.
this sounds awesome MB. just good vibes with the organization right now
enjoy florida
Post by: reuben on May 02, 2018, 05:26:40 PM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/33thve1.jpg)
Bovada
Josh Allen, 8/1. Must be a whole lotta degenerate gamblers out west.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2018, 05:34:57 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2018, 07:33:16 PM
Josh Allen, 8/1. Must be a whole lotta degenerate gamblers out west.
I mean he's the only QB who is basically guaranteed the starting job
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 02, 2018, 07:39:14 PM
I mean he's the only QB who is basically guaranteed the starting jobHow so? Allen is behind McCarron, Rosen is behind Bradford, Mayfield is behind Tyrod, Darnold is behind McCown. We have no idea who is going to start and who is going to sit. Not sure what your logic is, I think Josh Allen is the likeliest out of the 4 to sit the entire year.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 02, 2018, 07:57:12 PM
How so? Allen is behind McCarron, Rosen is behind Bradford, Mayfield is behind Tyrod, Darnold is behind McCown. We have no idea who is going to start and who is going to sit. Not sure what your logic is, I think Josh Allen is the likeliest out of the 4 to sit the entire year.
I forgot he existed. But McCarron is the least solidified into that starting position. Easiest to lose
Post by: Koz on May 03, 2018, 06:36:15 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2018, 06:59:49 AM
Is Darnold a ginger? I can't tell for sure but in some lights he appears to be just that. We could have hit the double-lottery.He is kissed by fire.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 03, 2018, 07:14:26 AM
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/76052/the-jets-fell-head-over-heels-for-sam-darnold-then-agonized
Post by: insanity on May 03, 2018, 07:29:55 AM
As in depth an article as I've seen on how Mac scouted DarnoldI have a boner
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/76052/the-jets-fell-head-over-heels-for-sam-darnold-then-agonized
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2018, 07:40:54 AM
As in depth an article as I've seen on how Mac scouted DarnoldI hung on every word of this article
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/76052/the-jets-fell-head-over-heels-for-sam-darnold-then-agonized
Post by: Laxin on May 03, 2018, 07:51:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVqtFF-VDk8&feature=youtu.be
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2018, 07:55:49 AM
Relive the moment....over and over again. Reading that thread at that point makes my day better.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2018, 08:08:08 AM
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4182.msg301653.html#msg301653
Relive the moment....over and over again. Reading that thread at that point makes my day better.
I’m happy I wasn’t on the site during and after the pick because Derek Smalls would’ve made me rage quit Jet Offensive for the draft’s entirety.
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2018, 08:24:05 AM
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By now, after three consecutive Saturdays in La-La Land, Maccagnan was like the famous burger chain.
In-N-Out.
Stick to sports, Rich.
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2018, 08:26:31 AM
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4182.msg301653.html#msg301653
Relive the moment....over and over again. Reading that thread at that point makes my day better.
To this day MB and JE still have not put their pants back on. Just going through life like Winnie the Pooh.
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2018, 08:31:18 AM
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The Jets scouted Darnold so intensely last season that Maccagnan flew to the West Coast on four consecutive weekends to watch him play, twice returning on red-eye flights immediately after the game so he could watch the Jets on Sunday.
This is why Duff is always drinking a bucket of coffee.
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2018, 08:57:18 AM
To this day MB and JE still have not put their pants back on. Just going through life like Winnie the Pooh.
And Laxin is still quietly weeping like a massive hoo-ha.
Post by: Laxin on May 03, 2018, 09:09:21 AM
And Laxin is still quietly weeping like a massive hoo-ha.
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Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2018, 09:40:45 AM
But I was reading that Cimini article about Duff falling madly in love with Darnold and it kept me busy falling in love with Duff.
He literally went through the same thing we all did.
"I want Darnold so bad."
"He's never gonna be there at 3."
"Just imagine..."
"But damn, he's never going to be there."
"Just, wow. Maybe the Browns will take Allen."
"No way. He's a Brown or a Giant."
"It's draft night, let's hope Darnold and Rosen don't go with the first two picks."
"HOLY excrement! OMG! THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING!!!!"
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2018, 09:46:06 AM
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You're the one who wanted to know if anyone else was "tearing up". Come on man, get your excrement together.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2018, 09:52:14 AM
You're the one who wanted to know if anyone else was "tearing up". Come on man, get your excrement together.
That was Libero, not Laxin.
Post by: Coach K on May 03, 2018, 09:55:14 AM
Is Darnold a ginger? I can't tell for sure but in some lights he appears to be just that. We could have hit the double-lottery.
as our resident Ginger i can confirm he is one of us.
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2018, 09:55:30 AM
That was Libero, not Laxin.
God damn it
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2018, 09:56:51 AM
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The Giants turned the pick in fairly early. Now, the Jets’ brass started to dream about Darnold. Penn State running back Saquon Barkley picked up the phone. The Giants were taking him.
Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan turned to his left and looked at Brian Heimerdinger, the team’s vice president of player personnel, and said, “Oh, my God. He just fell to us.”
Maccagnan got up and walked over to where coach Todd Bowles and owner Christopher Johnson were sitting and told them he was taking Darnold.
……..
Kirk Cousins had spurned the Jets earlier that week. They felt comfortable with a number of the quarterbacks and decided to try to make an early trade to beat other teams to it. While Maccagnan traveled to Pro Days at Oklahoma to see Mayfield and UCLA to see Josh Rosen, Heimerdinger hammered out a trade with the Colts for the No. 3 pick, happy to hold on to their 2019 first-rounder.
The Jets believed the odds of Darnold being available at 3 were slim, but there was a chance.
….
The more time the Jets spent with Darnold, the more impressed they became. He had a presence about him the Jets loved.
After the dinner, Bowles said: “I love him, but it’s a waste of time. He’s going No. 1. He ain’t going to be there for us.”
-Brian Costello, NYP
Heimerdaninja
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2018, 09:57:25 AM
Post by: Coach K on May 03, 2018, 10:12:01 AM
I will fully admit I cried that night and I really don’t give a excrement. One of the best moments of my life.
it wasnt that night for me, i pumped my fist jumped up and screamed
but the next morning i woke up and basically watched every single Darnold interview i could get my hands on, and i teared up at one point. just been too long since i felt truly confident in the direction of the franchise.
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2018, 10:27:57 AM
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2018, 10:30:42 AM
Pussies all of you. Crying over a bloody football player getting drafted. Get a grip.
Real men drunkenly cry themselves to sleep after we lose an AFC Championship game for the 2nd year in a row.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2018, 10:33:26 AM
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Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2018, 10:38:50 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2018, 10:39:41 AM
Real men drunkenly cry themselves to sleep after we lose an AFC Championship game for the 2nd year in a row.
I honestly don't think I've cried over anything to do with sports since Forest sold Peter Davenport to Man U. It was 1986 and I was 12, and he was my favourite player.
Post by: Coach K on May 03, 2018, 10:43:42 AM
That pick is the first time I really felt pride in this franchise since 2010.
truth
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2018, 10:46:34 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 03, 2018, 11:04:52 AM
That pick is the first time I really felt pride in this franchise since 2010.+1
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 03, 2018, 12:42:33 PM
some nonsense from mehta about Darnold starting week 1
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 03, 2018, 12:47:14 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 03, 2018, 12:47:35 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2018, 12:59:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2018, 01:06:15 PM
I won't be making a decision until I see the quarterback minicamp completion percentage charts from Manish Mehta.
Hopefully Hackenberg is still on the team at that point
Post by: Laxin on May 03, 2018, 03:48:08 PM
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2018, 03:51:24 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 03, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 03, 2018, 05:06:50 PM
That pick is the first time I really felt pride in this franchise since 2010.
Seriously, it was like someone finally opened a window after this franchise smelled like pee and vomit for eight years.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 03, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
Post by: Coach K on May 03, 2018, 05:14:23 PM
thats the level of fanboy ive become for him right now lol
Post by: Coach K on May 03, 2018, 05:15:10 PM
when do the authentic Darnold jersey's come out? all ive seen are the 99 dollar ones with the ironed on lettering and numbers. do i have to get one of the 300.0 customs and put his name and number on it?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 03, 2018, 05:21:24 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2018, 05:26:26 PM
Post by: Coach K on May 03, 2018, 05:32:00 PM
Darnold is going to struggle this year. That's ok. I'm fired up as hell he's our QB. We just need to expect a bunch of turnovers this year. The main thing is him keeping his head and working through it.
i fully expect turnovers from him throughout his career. he can read all levels of the field and anticipates throwing windows and hits people in stride. thats the playmaker gene. he makes chicken salad out of chicken excrement when the play breaks down most of the time.
downside to that is the tradeoff will be an increased turnover rate. like i said though, the positive is getting a QB who can hit throws with a degree of difficulty that only 5 or 6 other QBs in the league can make
Post by: Coach K on May 03, 2018, 05:33:40 PM
who knows, lets see how he handles camp first though.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 03, 2018, 06:18:56 PM
Jets Make the Call to Sam Darnold http://yi.nzc.am/b1aRG8
"Coach Bowles...."
Post by: dcm1602 on May 03, 2018, 06:36:58 PM
as long as he can keep a 2:1 Combined TD to TO ratio im happy. ill hope for something closer to 3 down the road
who knows, lets see how he handles camp first though.
Dude can have a 1 TD to 4 INT ratio for all I care as long as he earns a damn ring here
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 03, 2018, 07:28:38 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 03, 2018, 07:31:01 PM
oh it's this guy
no but seriously
Post by: Laxin on May 03, 2018, 07:35:13 PM
Darnold is going to struggle this year. That's ok. I'm fired up as hell he's our QB. We just need to expect a bunch of turnovers this year. The main thing is him keeping his head and working through it.
I could honestly see an Andrew Luck type rookie year... maybe less yards. Maybe a line of 3800 yards, 22 TDs, 18 INTs, 62%.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2018, 10:02:04 PM
freaking. Awesome.
Jets Make the Call to Sam Darnold http://yi.nzc.am/b1aRG8
"Coach Bowles...."
Chris Johnson is the man
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 03, 2018, 10:57:41 PM
Chris Johnson is the manHe sounds like an actual human, unlike Woody.
Post by: JFIF on May 03, 2018, 11:16:44 PM
Chris Johnson is the man
Please tell me you mean in general and not because of this video
Post by: Miamipuck on May 03, 2018, 11:19:44 PM
freaking. Awesome.
Jets Make the Call to Sam Darnold http://yi.nzc.am/b1aRG8
"Coach Bowles...."
50 times I watched it and I may watch that 50 more.....I can't believe it. After watching that game against Penn State there was no freaking way I thought he would ever be a Jet.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2018, 11:36:54 PM
Please tell me you mean in general and not because of this video
Everything he's done since he's taken over for Woody has been awesome.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 03, 2018, 11:39:18 PM
i just fuggin remembered the browns took baker mayfield #1, leaving us sam at #3
let's fuggin go
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2018, 06:30:26 AM
Everything he's done since he's taken over for Woody has been awesome.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2018, 06:31:05 AM
hahahahhahahahahahahaaaa
i just fuggin remembered the browns took baker mayfield #1, leaving us sam at #3
let's fuggin go
Wait, what?
LETS GOOOO
Post by: Laxin on May 04, 2018, 07:36:08 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2018, 07:52:31 AM
Honestly, one of the best parts of this pick is that I/we don't have to think about how many games we have to lose to be in position to draft a QB, what QB's are out there, will we even get one, ect. The tank is off. Just win freaking games. We have our guy.When it comes to future drafts...all I'll think about is what pieces can we surround the Darnold with and defensive upgrades.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 07:55:01 AM
When it comes to future drafts...all I'll think about is what pieces can we surround the Darnold with and defensive upgrades.Round 1 too early for a long snapper?
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2018, 07:56:04 AM
Round 1 too early for a long snapper?Purdum is coming out of retirement.
#TheDarnoldEffect
Post by: Coach K on May 04, 2018, 08:07:47 AM
Everything he's done since he's taken over for Woody has been awesome.
i bring this up all the time to others, its a night and day difference in the front office and how the players enjoy being in the building.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2018, 08:30:52 AM
Honestly, one of the best parts of this pick is that I/we don't have to think about how many games we have to lose to be in position to draft a QB, what QB's are out there, will we even get one, ect. The tank is off. Just win freaking games. We have our guy.
This is still gonna be a rough and ugly year
But after that anything goes. Hopefully we're in position to get Darnold an elite wideout then we could have a franchise record setting duo
Post by: Laxin on May 04, 2018, 08:51:20 AM
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2018, 08:53:20 AM
I can see anything from 4-12 to 9-7. It all comes down to how well Darnold plays and how much the defense improves.
I have to go look at our schedule again but I don't see how only 4 wins could happen.
Post by: MBGreen on May 04, 2018, 09:05:10 AM
Landing our Franchise QB is just the first step...this team is still under construction.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2018, 09:24:48 AM
I have to go look at our schedule again but I don't see how only 4 wins could happen.
Depends who plays QB, and how well they play.
There could be major learning pains for Darnold as a rookie, and McCown shitting the bed wouldn't be unheard of.
I don't think it's probable we win 4 games but it's not completely outlandish
And you could always just get tough breaks. I mean look at the Giants last year, they were better than their record. And we worse than ours
Post by: Heismanberg on May 04, 2018, 09:41:09 AM
McCown shitting the bed wouldn't be unheard of.
McCown getting injured won't be surprising, but if he plays poorly it will be.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 09:51:38 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2018, 09:52:44 AM
They will though. I already know multiple people offline who were unhappy with the pick. People who wanted Rosen, or were disappointed that Mayfield went first. I even met one guy (who isn't really a Jets fan, just a mediocre NY football fan) who thinks Allen was the best QB in the draft, and both the Jets and Giants made a mistake skipping him.
I'm constantly like WTF is wrong with you people? I'm so grateful for this place.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 04, 2018, 10:00:32 AM
He is a great man and deserves even more praise.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 10:03:13 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2018, 10:28:55 AM
The difference with Darnold is that when he has a 3 INT game, he isn't going to excrement himself and start checking down everything. He's going to keep being aggressive. Even if it means more picks. He's going to have a lot of turnovers. He's going to lose us some games this year. Hopefully he wins us some too. All I expect/hope to see is that he keeps taking shot down the field and that he's showing signs of improvement as the year goes on. And he stays healthy. I'm not particularly worried if he has bad stats.
I (and probably the majority of the people on this board, if not all) agree. The problem is, so many Jets fans have no patience and are already preparing to pounce on his first mistake with a "See? I told you he was the wrong pick" attitude. And many of those idiots own season tickets.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 10:30:36 AM
I (and probably the majority of the people on this board, if not all) agree. The problem is, so many Jets fans have no patience and are already preparing to pounce on his first mistake with a "See? I told you he was the wrong pick" attitude. And many of those idiots own season tickets.
freak them.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2018, 10:43:27 AM
freak them.
I don't disagree, but their boos sound ugly in the stands all the same.
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2018, 11:02:29 AM
Jets seem to be playing things perfectly. Let Darnold play when he's ready.
Well so far they haven't actually done anything besides select him, so yeah, they're 1 for 1.
Post by: Pope on May 04, 2018, 11:56:26 AM
Welcome aboard Sam
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2018, 12:02:13 PM
freak them.
Yeah freak those stupid backwards derriere plant life idiot Jets fans.......freak them.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2018, 12:03:47 PM
I don't disagree, but their boos sound ugly in the stands all the same.
And yet still freak them with this:
(https://sites.google.com/a/my.lr.edu/seven-deadly-sins/_/rsrc/1335552730348/lust-scene/se7en%20Lust%20Scene%20B.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
He looks GLORIOUS
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2018, 12:40:03 PM
Post by: Laxin on May 04, 2018, 12:44:29 PM
Just saw cell phone video from 200 yards away of Darnold throwing and this might be an exaggeration but he’s the greatest QB I’ve ever seen
I don't think this is an exaggeration
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 12:55:23 PM
Just saw cell phone video from 200 yards away of Darnold throwing and this might be an exaggeration but he’s the greatest QB I’ve ever seenI played him on Madden rookie minicamp mode. Elite mental reps.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 04, 2018, 01:07:21 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 04, 2018, 01:09:55 PM
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2018, 01:13:54 PM
i think it's time the team gets new jerseys. i love our jerseys but they're kind of boring, and they've been the same forever. i think it was adams that was playing a big part this offseason in saying the jets need a new look. just think it would go well with signifying a new page for the franchise with darnold on board
Counterpoint: it could be way worse and I'm not sure I trust them to come out with a better look
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 01:14:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcXxy10VQAAQ515?format=jpg)
Sam Darnold is watching you masturbate.
Post by: Laxin on May 04, 2018, 01:21:09 PM
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 04, 2018, 01:23:55 PM
He should grow a beard.
How about a Puck-stache?
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 01:31:07 PM
How about a Puck-stache?
Only if he has 1 earring.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 01:31:47 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 04, 2018, 01:32:22 PM
Only if he has 1 earring.
Left ear, like us 80s straight guys.
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
We need a new thread title. I'm not creative to come up with a good nickname besides Darngod or some stupid excrement.
I was planning on waiting until he plays in a regular season game, but I could pull the trigger now...
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2018, 01:41:48 PM
How the hell did the Jets get Sam Darnold?
And they did it while being watchable all last year. Anyone who advocated for tanking needs to eat some crow.
Post by: Laxin on May 04, 2018, 01:43:00 PM
I am still in shock.
How the hell did the Jets get Sam Darnold?
And they did it while being watchable all last year. Anyone who advocated for tanking needs to eat some crow.
Eating. I don't even care because we got the Darnold
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 01:51:50 PM
I am still in shock.
How the hell did the Jets get Sam Darnold?
And they did it while being watchable all last year. Anyone who advocated for tanking needs to eat some crow.
Tanksgiving was not enjoyable.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 02:06:50 PM
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Everyone in the Jets’ draft room had their eyes fixed on the TV screens.
This was Thursday night and the Browns were on the clock with the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft. The stories had circulated all day the Browns would take Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield, but the Jets were skeptical. They still expected the Browns to take USC star Sam Darnold.
Then, they saw Mayfield pick up his phone. The Browns had taken the Heisman Trophy winner.
A buzz went through the Jets’ room. Darnold might actually make it to the Jets. But the Giants could still take him or trade the pick.
The Jets had their representatives at the draft in Arlington, Texas, on speakerphone. Those reps had their eyes fixed on the Giants’ table, waiting to see if they picked up the phone, indicating a trade.
“Anything happening?” someone asked from the Jets’ draft room.
The Giants turned the pick in fairly early. Now, the Jets’ brass started to dream about Darnold. Penn State running back Saquon Barkley picked up the phone. The Giants were taking him.
Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan turned to his left and looked at Brian Heimerdinger, the team’s vice president of player personnel, and said, “Oh, my God. He just fell to us.”
Maccagnan got up and walked over to where coach Todd Bowles and owner Christopher Johnson were sitting and told them he was taking Darnold.
Then, he wandered to the back of the room. A few guests had been invited to sit in the draft room. There were two elementary school-aged kids. Maccagnan sat down next to them and told them he was taking Darnold, what did they think? After voicing their approval, they got fist bumps from the Jets GM.
Heimerdinger yelled from the front of the room, “Can we turn in the pick?”
#boner
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2018, 02:19:38 PM
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Then, they saw Mayfield pick up his phone.
Wait how
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 02:21:10 PM
Wait how
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Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2018, 02:30:14 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 04, 2018, 02:35:37 PM
Tanksgiving was not enjoyable.
I'm never for tanking, but getting to #6 made it a lot easier to get to #3 and this was a good year to do it.
One year we traded up to #4 coming off a division championship, there's always a way. Of course we used the pick on Dewayne Robertson but up to that point it was a well executed plan.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 04, 2018, 02:37:01 PM
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/992478455303491584
he has an actual personality!?
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2018, 02:37:50 PM
I'm never for tanking, but getting to #6 made it a lot easier to get to #3 and this was a good year to do it.
One year we traded up to #4 coming off a division championship, there's always a way. Of course we used the pick on Dewayne Robertson but up to that point it was a well executed plan.
That was also before the rookie pay scale too
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2018, 02:48:11 PM
https://twitter.com/DWAZ73/status/992478455303491584
Darnold is enough to make Todd Bowles animated.
He's magic.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 04, 2018, 02:55:28 PM
I am still in shock.
How the hell did the Jets get Sam Darnold?
And they did it while being watchable all last year. Anyone who advocated for tanking needs to eat some crow.
eating crow and i don't care either lol. i all but stopped reading the tank watch thread by game 5 of last season despite being a strong advocate as i felt we no longer had a shot at darnold.
big ups to duff and bowles, the team was somewhat watchable and played above their talent level, guys improved their play, and we STILL ended up with darnold, all for the price of 3 2nd round picks, which i believe to be very worth it.
i want football to start already
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 04, 2018, 02:57:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2018, 03:55:18 PM
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Dianna Russini @diannaESPN
While veteran Josh McCown is slated to be the starter for the Jets, Todd Bowles made it clear today, Sam Darnold can and will be allowed to win the job in training camp if he is the better QB. #Jets
Welcome to your Darnold years.
Post by: insanity on May 04, 2018, 04:04:40 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2018, 04:10:57 PM
How degrading is it for a vet to get told that a rookie is better than him when the vet basically has more years in the league than the rookie has years in life.
I don't think it would hurt McCown. He has seemed genuinely dedicated to doing what's best for the team and helping groom whoever they picked. That's part of the reason they brought him back.
I think McCown has set himself up really well to go immediately into coaching when he hangs up his pads.
Post by: Coach K on May 04, 2018, 04:13:27 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2018, 04:16:05 PM
How degrading is it for a vet to get told that a rookie is better than him when the vet basically has more years in the league than the rookie has years in life.Doesn't mean Darnold's better right now, just good enough to justify starting the process.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2018, 04:39:12 PM
How degrading is it for a vet to get told that a rookie is better than him when the vet basically has more years in the league than the rookie has years in life.
Probably less degrading than it was for him to play for the Browns
Post by: insanity on May 04, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
Doesn't mean Darnold's better right now, just good enough to justify starting the process.
I would assume that but the quote says the better qb
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2018, 06:17:22 PM
I would assume that but the quote says the better qb
True but thats always been the company line under Bowles
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2018, 08:05:00 PM
How degrading is it for a vet to get told that a rookie is better than him when the vet basically has more years in the league than the rookie has years in life.
Technically McCown has been playing football longer than Darnold has been alive.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 04, 2018, 08:47:40 PM
And there's virtually no chance that he's a better QB right now than McCown is.
Post by: Laxin on May 04, 2018, 09:13:21 PM
And there's virtually no chance that he's a better QB right now than McCown is.
Why?
He's more talented and does things at the position only a handful of QBs in the NFL can currently do. McCown may be more efficient right now in terms of managing a game, but Darnold can make plays McCown can only dream of. Plus, he was a pretty "pro-ready" prospect.
Even if it's close, I think you have to go with Darnold simply because there's nothing like game action. There's just no enough reps to go around during practice for a backup to get significantly better throughout the season.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 04, 2018, 09:23:44 PM
Why?
He's more talented and does things at the position only a handful of QBs in the NFL can currently do. McCown may be more efficient right now in terms of managing a game, but Darnold can make plays McCown can only dream of. Plus, he was a pretty "pro-ready" prospect.
Even if it's close, I think you have to go with Darnold simply because there's nothing like game action. There's just no enough reps to go around during practice for a backup to get significantly better throughout the season.
I think his point was its very unlikely that a guy who had been playing football at a high level for 2 or 3 years will outplay a guy who has played football at a high level longer than the 20 year old has been alive.
Obviously Darnold will play at some point, and can do things McCown could never do. But Bowles is saying the best guy will play, and unless McCown shits the bed he should likely be the best guy
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 04, 2018, 10:25:38 PM
Why?
He's more talented and does things at the position only a handful of QBs in the NFL can currently do. McCown may be more efficient right now in terms of managing a game, but Darnold can make plays McCown can only dream of. Plus, he was a pretty "pro-ready" prospect.
Even if it's close, I think you have to go with Darnold simply because there's nothing like game action. There's just no enough reps to go around during practice for a backup to get significantly better throughout the season.
I'm thrilled we have him but let's settle down. More than a handful of QBs in the NFL can run around outside the pocket.
He's 20. McCown is an NFL quarterback. He's a perpetually injured one, not a bad one. Darnold is more talented, but he's probably not going to be better out of the gate than a professional that already knows most of the receivers and has at least an idea of the system that is going to be run. If he is, that's freaking awesome.
What's the rush? His development isn't going to be stunted if he starts 8-10 games instead of 16. The offensive line has a new center and a guy coming back from a major injury, and they're going to be getting used to each other and Bates' system. Let McCown deal with any growing pains early in the season and let Darnold watch how an NFL QB goes about his business. Darnold will get plenty of playing time this year regardless of whether he's starting week 1 or not.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2018, 10:39:26 PM
Left ear, like us 80s straight guys.
And 2000's bundles of sticks
Post by: JFIF on May 05, 2018, 03:36:19 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on May 05, 2018, 07:40:46 AM
I'm thrilled we have him but let's settle down. More than a handful of QBs in the NFL can run around outside the pocket.
He's 20. McCown is an NFL quarterback. He's a perpetually injured one, not a bad one. Darnold is more talented, but he's probably not going to be better out of the gate than a professional that already knows most of the receivers and has at least an idea of the system that is going to be run. If he is, that's freaking awesome.
What's the rush? His development isn't going to be stunted if he starts 8-10 games instead of 16. The offensive line has a new center and a guy coming back from a major injury, and they're going to be getting used to each other and Bates' system. Let McCown deal with any growing pains early in the season and let Darnold watch how an NFL QB goes about his business. Darnold will get plenty of playing time this year regardless of whether he's starting week 1 or not.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 05, 2018, 07:56:28 AM
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For the first time, Maccagnan did not even put a final grade on any of the Top 5 quarterback prospects for fear that word might trickle out and jeopardize the most pivotal decision of his professional life. So, there was no record of the quarterback final grades in the Jets' digital draft program or on the old-school cards that typically get stacked on one of the two big draft boards. Every other player except Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, Allen and Jackson had a final grade next to his name. The cards identifying the Top 5 quarterbacks were separated from the rest of the cards.
Maccagnan kept the quarterback intel in his head.
Pretty cool insight about the lengths the Jets did to keep their QB pecking order secret.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 05, 2018, 07:58:39 AM
Post by: Laxin on May 05, 2018, 09:05:27 AM
I'm thrilled we have him but let's settle down. More than a handful of QBs in the NFL can run around outside the pocket.
He's 20. McCown is an NFL quarterback. He's a perpetually injured one, not a bad one. Darnold is more talented, but he's probably not going to be better out of the gate than a professional that already knows most of the receivers and has at least an idea of the system that is going to be run. If he is, that's freaking awesome.
What's the rush? His development isn't going to be stunted if he starts 8-10 games instead of 16. The offensive line has a new center and a guy coming back from a major injury, and they're going to be getting used to each other and Bates' system. Let McCown deal with any growing pains early in the season and let Darnold watch how an NFL QB goes about his business. Darnold will get plenty of playing time this year regardless of whether he's starting week 1 or not.
I think you are seriously underselling what Darnold can do, especially in terms of improvisation. There aren't a whole lot of QBs that can do that. Big Ben, Rodgers, Luck, Wilson... That's really about it. He possesses a special trait of being incredibly accurate when things are hectic in the pocket, and his feet and mechanics are imperfect.
McCown was a pretty good QB last year, but let's not pretend like he has been this good QB that has just had his career marred by injury. He had one great stretch in Chicago for less than half a season, and then was solid in Cleveland for 8 games. That's really it on his 15 year resume aside from last season. He knows how to run an offense and can keep you in games.
There is no rush, but there's a difference between playing a guy if he is capable and playing a guy simply to play him. For Darnold, I think the former is likely to be the case. I think we are all scarred from the Sanchez days and are too worried to freak up our prized possession again.
Honestly, I don't think McCown's play or Bridgewater's play in TC and preseason should have any bearing on whether Darnold starts the season. Darnold should be the only one to keep Sam Darnold on the bench. If he's shows he can handle the NFL, play him.
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2018, 09:30:25 AM
I just think it's more likely than some people think that he could be out there week 1. If you make me put a number on it... let's say 60%.
A lot of this discussion is centered around what's best for Darnold but there are a lot of other factors involved, and unless Macc and Bowles have assurances from ownership that they're safe then they're going to push for what they may think is best for them.
So far we don't know what they're thinking beyond what they've told us, and that's "I want him to play right now!" and "He will have a chance to win the starting job in TC."
There are reasonable arguments against him playing right away but I'm just saying don't be surprised if they name him the winner even without a stunning audition in preseason.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 05, 2018, 09:31:24 AM
I think you are seriously underselling what Darnold can do, especially in terms of improvisation. There aren't a whole lot of QBs that can do that. Big Ben, Rodgers, Luck, Wilson... That's really about it. He possesses a special trait of being incredibly accurate when things are hectic in the pocket, and his feet and mechanics are imperfect.
McCown was a pretty good QB last year, but let's not pretend like he has been this good QB that has just had his career marred by injury. He had one great stretch in Chicago for less than half a season, and then was solid in Cleveland for 8 games. That's really it on his 15 year resume aside from last season. He knows how to run an offense and can keep you in games.
There is no rush, but there's a difference between playing a guy if he is capable and playing a guy simply to play him. For Darnold, I think the former is likely to be the case. I think we are all scarred from the Sanchez days and are too worried to freak up our prized possession again.
Honestly, I don't think McCown's play or Bridgewater's play in TC and preseason should have any bearing on whether Darnold starts the season. Darnold should be the only one to keep Sam Darnold on the bench. If he's shows he can handle the NFL, play him.
I'm not arguing either way, but I don't Darnold's issue is being ready physically. He has some work to do to catch up mentally with McCown as far as running an NFL offense. That's normal for a college QB. I think he can get it fairly quickly, but will it be in time for week 1? Who knows.
Post by: insanity on May 05, 2018, 10:31:24 AM
Though I'm certain we'll see him on the field this year, I don't have a strong preference as to when.
I just think it's more likely than some people think that he could be out there week 1. If you make me put a number on it... let's say 60%.
A lot of this discussion is centered around what's best for Darnold but there are a lot of other factors involved, and unless Macc and Bowles have assurances from ownership that they're safe then they're going to push for what they may think is best for them.
So far we don't know what they're thinking beyond what they've told us, and that's "I want him to play right now!" and "He will have a chance to win the starting job in TC."
There are reasonable arguments against him playing right away but I'm just saying don't be surprised if they name him the winner even without a stunning audition in preseason.
As bojangles mentioned. It has nothing to do with his physical abilities and everything to do with the mental part of the game, leading a team, and being used to the speed of the nfl.
What's better for the team, a rookie qb who knows 20% of the playbook or a vet that is a bonafide leader, wont turn the ball over, and knows the playbook like Tebow knows the bible?
I want to see Sam play as much as the next guy, but what's the rush?
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 05, 2018, 10:37:56 AM
I think you are seriously underselling what Darnold can do, especially in terms of improvisation. There aren't a whole lot of QBs that can do that. Big Ben, Rodgers, Luck, Wilson... That's really about it. He possesses a special trait of being incredibly accurate when things are hectic in the pocket, and his feet and mechanics are imperfect.
McCown was a pretty good QB last year, but let's not pretend like he has been this good QB that has just had his career marred by injury. He had one great stretch in Chicago for less than half a season, and then was solid in Cleveland for 8 games. That's really it on his 15 year resume aside from last season. He knows how to run an offense and can keep you in games.
There is no rush, but there's a difference between playing a guy if he is capable and playing a guy simply to play him. For Darnold, I think the former is likely to be the case. I think we are all scarred from the Sanchez days and are too worried to freak up our prized possession again.
Honestly, I don't think McCown's play or Bridgewater's play in TC and preseason should have any bearing on whether Darnold starts the season. Darnold should be the only one to keep Sam Darnold on the bench. If he's shows he can handle the NFL, play him.
IMO the "off schedule plays" thing is the most overrated excrement in football. It's a nice little bonus. Any two bit QB who's ever been called a running threat also makes throws outside the pocket. Josh Allen can get outside the pocket, shed 8 defenders, and throw the ball 80 yards with a flick of the wrist that is quicker than Darnold's motion. The guys you listed are great pocket passers whose mobility is another small weapon. Maybe in Wilson's case he's a good pocket passer who sometimes needs to get outside to find a lane. They aren't the only guys who can move. If you're not great at the actual important part of being a QB, mobility is like putting chrome rims on a Pinto.
Post by: Laxin on May 05, 2018, 12:07:32 PM
IMO the "off schedule plays" thing is the most overrated excrement in football. It's a nice little bonus. Any two bit QB who's ever been called a running threat also makes throws outside the pocket. Josh Allen can get outside the pocket, shed 8 defenders, and throw the ball 80 yards with a flick of the wrist that is quicker than Darnold's motion. The guys you listed are great pocket passers whose mobility is another small weapon. Maybe in Wilson's case he's a good pocket passer who sometimes needs to get outside to find a lane. They aren't the only guys who can move. If you're not great at the actual important part of being a QB, mobility is like putting chrome rims on a Pinto.
Well of course, I just didn't think I had to state the obvious. You can't succeed as a QB without being successful in the pocket, but what makes those QBs I listed above (I'll add Wentz too) special are their ability to make great plays when the situation isn't perfect. That was the biggest difference from Rosen and Darnold imo. Rosen can operate really well from the pocket, but when he's forced to move and throw off a bad platform, or even go to his second read, he's a different QB.
Getting back on topic... I do think Darnold is a good enough player right now to start in the NFL. He's not a project that needs to sit. If he does for half a season, its not the end of the world, but I just don't think it's necessary.
Post by: Laxin on May 05, 2018, 12:22:58 PM
As bojangles mentioned. It has nothing to do with his physical abilities and everything to do with the mental part of the game, leading a team, and being used to the speed of the nfl.
What's better for the team, a rookie qb who knows 20% of the playbook or a vet that is a bonafide leader, wont turn the ball over, and knows the playbook like Tebow knows the bible?
I want to see Sam play as much as the next guy, but what's the rush?
How do we know its a rush though? Honestly, my biggest problem with him not starting is just the lack of practice reps in season given to the backup. I just don't think its enough to really help someone develop.
Carson Wentz came from 1AA and looked just fine as a rookie. I'm sure he'd tell you that the 16 games he started as a rookie were critical to his breakout year.
Who knows at this point though. Starting week 1 could be rushing him, but it may not be also. I think he was a good enough prospect to play day 1, so that is my very way too early preference.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 05, 2018, 12:27:21 PM
a vet that is a bonafide leader, wont turn the ball over
Why can't Josh McCown lead from the sideline if Sam Darnold wins the job? He's going to support that kid no matter what happens. And from everything I've heard about Darnold, he's a great leader as well. This team will rally behind whoever plays that position for us.
McCown knows the offense, but he's also very limited as a passer. Darnold's ability may give us a better chance to win if Bates doesn't overcomplicate things for him.
Post by: Pope on May 05, 2018, 01:06:36 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 05, 2018, 01:14:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 05, 2018, 01:15:38 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 05, 2018, 01:27:24 PM
Post by: Laxin on May 05, 2018, 01:35:28 PM
Ideally Teddy starts with McCown as backup while Darnold rides the pine. If the season is a wash I’d like to see Darnold play in the final few games but no point rushing him out there. I think McCown will be a great mentor to him.
I don't get this. Wouldn't the ideal scenario be that our #3 overall pick at QB is good enough to start and he shows he's capable of playing in the NFL at a quality level? The ideal scenario should not involve Darnold sitting on the bench for a year.
Post by: Pope on May 05, 2018, 01:36:44 PM
I don't get this. Wouldn't the ideal scenario be that our #3 overall pick at QB is good enough to start and he shows he's capable of playing in the NFL at a quality level? The ideal scenario should not involve Darnold sitting on the bench for a year.Well yes but I meant realistically. I would prefer he spends some time learning as he’s still quite young and could use the prep
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 05, 2018, 01:46:49 PM
Well of course, I just didn't think I had to state the obvious. You can't succeed as a QB without being successful in the pocket, but what makes those QBs I listed above (I'll add Wentz too) special are their ability to make great plays when the situation isn't perfect. That was the biggest difference from Rosen and Darnold imo. Rosen can operate really well from the pocket, but when he's forced to move and throw off a bad platform, or even go to his second read, he's a different QB.
Getting back on topic... I do think Darnold is a good enough player right now to start in the NFL. He's not a project that needs to sit. If he does for half a season, its not the end of the world, but I just don't think it's necessary.
I think what makes those QBs special is being really good QBs. The ability to extend a play on 3rd down is just the thing that narrows the gap between them and the truly elite pocket passers. Or in the case of Rodgers who does literally everything perfectly, the thing that might push him over the edge of being the GOAT.
Sure it's an obvious point, I'm just saying that I don't think that facet of the game will make Darnold better than McCown unless he's nearly as good at all of the traditional QB skills, which is a big ask for a 20 year old.
Mainly I just think they should let McCown deal with the period early in the season where the rest of the team is learning the system and how to function with each other. Let Darnold step into a situation where everyone else knows what they're doing a few games into the season. I don't think he should sit for all or even most of a season. Just that if they're going to run him out there week one as the youngest QB in the history of the league, it should be because he blows everybody else out of the freaking water, not because he's good enough to start and take his lumps. The season is long and he's hopefully going to be here for 15 years, he's got plenty of time to develop.
Post by: Johnny English on May 05, 2018, 01:50:08 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 05, 2018, 02:13:02 PM
I do agree that Bridgewater winning the QB comp and playing the first few games might be the best scenario; he's clearly hear as insurance (for us) and to prove something (for him), so if he can prove his fitness and ability and we don't need the insurance, he might be tradeable a few games in when Darnold is ready to step up.
I don't know how many teams would trade for a starting QB after the regular season started (although his contract certainly helps with that)
I wonder what kind of realistic scenario would have to happen for us to franchise tag teddy after the season, as that's the only way I seen him getting a hefty trade value.
Otherwise maybe we could trade him for a mid/late round pick in the preseason if another teams QB goes out for the year in training camp or even the preseason,
Post by: Johnny English on May 05, 2018, 02:17:57 PM
I don't know how many teams would trade for a starting QB after the regular season started (although his contract certainly helps with that)
I wonder what kind of realistic scenario would have to happen for us to franchise tag teddy after the season, as that's the only way I seen him getting a hefty trade value.
Otherwise maybe we could trade him for a mid/late round pick in the preseason if another teams QB goes out for the year in training camp or even the preseason,
I doubt it would be anything significant, but I could see a contender who loses one of their top two to injury viewing him as a quality backup.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 05, 2018, 02:22:36 PM
I doubt it would be anything significant, but I could see a contender who loses one of their top two to injury viewing him as a quality backup.
It would also be extremely freaking weird for Bridgewater to play well enough to win the starting job, play well as a starter, and for us to suddenly just trade him.
Has a team ever in the history of the league traded its starting QB during the season?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2018, 11:58:27 AM
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Executive 1: Jets QB Sam Darnold
"Darnold. He's the best of the group and he has the right mentality."
Executive 2: Cardinals QB Josh Rosen
"Coordinator Mike McCoy should be good for him. He'll have good skill players (and) a healthy David Johnson. My only concern is the NFC West will be tough on him."
Executive 3: Darnold
"I thought he was the best QB (in the draft) by a fair margin. Also, he has the least amount of baggage and impediments to early success."
Executive 4: Darnold
"Tough question. I would like to say Sam Darnold. That offense doesn't have all the weapons he needs yet, but he will be able to handle all the pressures/adversity most rookie QBs go through."
Executive 5: Browns QB Baker Mayfield
"Mayfield. I like his supporting cast the best on offense. He has that (group of players around him), along with two offensive minds in Hue Jackson and Todd Haley running the show."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000930963/article/ask-5-which-qb-from-2018-draft-will-have-best-rookie-season
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 07, 2018, 12:54:48 PM
Apparently he's only been playing the position for four years. I'm not sure how much that matters - I don't think that what you learn in Pop Warner is really going to impact your chances of succeeding in the NFL - but it surprised me.
Hakeem Olajuwon didn't play basketball until he was 17. Google him, he was good.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 07, 2018, 04:08:52 PM
https://twitter.com/PlayersTribune/status/989995955423342592
Tostitos will be part of his compensation
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2018, 04:25:23 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 07, 2018, 04:54:40 PM
I don't like his double chin. I feel like he's going to get fat very easily, the city with so many restaurants that you never have to eat at the same one twice might just be the worst place for him to have been drafted. Bust potential is high.Plenty of plastic surgeons. Comeback player of the year after fat year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2018, 04:57:32 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2018, 05:08:10 PM
Plenty of plastic surgeons. Comeback player of the year after fat year.
It's not the double chin itself that concerns me as much as what it signifies. He's clearly a fat bastard waiting to happen.
Post by: insanity on May 07, 2018, 05:35:28 PM
It's not the double chin itself that concerns me as much as what it signifies. He's clearly a fat bastard waiting to happen.
Stugotz has been joking about this since before we drafted him.
They had Jordan Palmer on last week and asked him if Sam was one buffet away from being out of the league
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 07, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
maybe he'll get an apartment downtown and start his morning with a wheatgrass and gojiberry smoothie before he walks to the station and takes the PATH or whatever the freak the train is to work
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2018, 11:55:54 PM
people in new york usually are in better shape than ones in wisconsin or kansas cityShow me a 20 year old who has moved to New York, or any major city, and not lived on pizza and street meat.
maybe he'll get an apartment downtown and start his morning with a wheatgrass and gojiberry smoothie before he walks to the station and takes the PATH or whatever the freak the train is to work
Post by: Miamipuck on May 08, 2018, 12:30:44 AM
Show me a 20 year old who has moved to New York, or any major city, and not lived on pizza and street meat.
Bojanglesman lives off of street meat, nickle blow jobs. He doesn't live in a city.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 08, 2018, 05:29:11 AM
Bojanglesman lives off of street meat, nickle blow jobs. He doesn't live in a city.What's a nickle?
Post by: Laxin on May 08, 2018, 06:55:14 AM
Show me a 20 year old who has moved to New York, or any major city, and not lived on pizza and street meat.
Ones with millions of dollars
Post by: insanity on May 08, 2018, 08:04:29 AM
Ones with millions of dollars
Gotta get those $15 salads from sweetgreen
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 08, 2018, 12:02:11 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 08, 2018, 12:09:42 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 08, 2018, 12:24:38 PM
I have no clue where Florham Park is. Everywhere in Jersey is in the middle of nowhere. Jersey sucks.
Well, you're a dumbass.
It's about a half hour ride to Manhattan if you leave at the right time, couple of hours if you don't. If you're a 20-year-old pro athlete who will (hopefully) be spending most of your time at the facility diving into the job, you're not moving to Manhattan. Probably Morristown.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 08, 2018, 12:30:49 PM
Well, you're a dumbass.
It's about a half hour ride to Manhattan if you leave at the right time, couple of hours if you don't. If you're a 20-year-old pro athlete who will (hopefully) be spending most of your time at the facility diving into the job, you're not moving to Manhattan. Probably Morristown.
Anyone who would prefer living in Morristown over Manhattan is the dumbass.
True story. Over the weekend we had to drive down to Freehold. As soon as we crossed over the GW, my wife asks "What is that smell?!" As if on cue, we both simultaneously said "Jersey."
Jersey is awful. I don't understand how anyone lives there. Self-hate?
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 08, 2018, 12:59:28 PM
Anyone who would prefer living in Morristown over Manhattan is the dumbass.
Not if you have to be in Florham Park for physical activity every day.
I deleted the rest, don't care about you, your trip, wife or opinion. No offense.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 08, 2018, 01:10:04 PM
Not if you have to be in Florham Park for physical activity every day.
I deleted the rest, don't care about you, your trip, wife or opinion. No offense.
I'd consider anyone crazy if they chose to live in Jersey just to make the commute to the training facility a little easier. You're sacrificing all that NY has to offer...for Jersey.
As for the rest, it's really not an opinion. It's a quantifiable fact that Jersey smells. I mean, I'm a little hurt that you don't care about my story, me, or my wife, but the reality is, you're a Jersey guy, so I can't really be "offended" by it. You don't even know how truly bad Jersey is, but I guess it's not your fault.
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
It's about a half hour ride to Manhattan if you leave at the right time,
3:30 AM with the wind at your back?
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2018, 01:55:55 PM
Well, you're a dumbass.
It's about a half hour ride to Manhattan if you leave at the right time, couple of hours if you don't. If you're a 20-year-old pro athlete who will (hopefully) be spending most of your time at the facility diving into the job, you're not moving to Manhattan. Probably Morristown.
With 30 million dollars I'm sure he could afford a private helicopter and helopad. How far is it by helo? I know one of the guys for the Seahawks would fly a water plane to their stadium
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 08, 2018, 02:59:17 PM
I'd consider anyone crazy if they chose to live in Jersey just to make the commute to the training facility a little easier. You're sacrificing all that NY has to offer...for Jersey.
As for the rest, it's really not an opinion. It's a quantifiable fact that Jersey smells. I mean, I'm a little hurt that you don't care about my story, me, or my wife, but the reality is, you're a Jersey guy, so I can't really be "offended" by it. You don't even know how truly bad Jersey is, but I guess it's not your fault.
You don't have to like it, that's cool. One less dumb m*therf*cker on the road in front of me.
3:30 AM with the wind at your back?
With no traffic, from Florham Park you could hit the Lincoln or Holland in roughly 30 minutes. So yeah, on a good night 3:30 am would be about right.
With 30 million dollars I'm sure he could afford a private helicopter and helopad. How far is it by helo? I know one of the guys for the Seahawks would fly a water plane to their stadium
Always a good look for your rookie QB to helicopter in to practice. Really helps him fit in with the guys.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 08, 2018, 03:14:46 PM
I'd consider anyone crazy if they chose to live in Jersey just to make the commute to the training facility a little easier. You're sacrificing all that NY has to offer...for Jersey.
As for the rest, it's really not an opinion. It's a quantifiable fact that Jersey smells. I mean, I'm a little hurt that you don't care about my story, me, or my wife, but the reality is, you're a Jersey guy, so I can't really be "offended" by it. You don't even know how truly bad Jersey is, but I guess it's not your fault.
Wait do you think the players live in NYC?
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 08, 2018, 03:20:50 PM
You don't have to like it, that's cool. One less dumb m*therf*cker on the road in front of me.
Yup. I'd hate to get in your way while you make a left turn from the right lane. Jughandles are so brilliant only Jersey is smart enough to have them!
Wait do you think the players live in NYC?
*sideeye*
Don't get me started on Connecticut.
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2018, 03:55:46 PM
Wait do you think the players live in NYC?
The greatest tragedy of not getting the WSS was our players being banished to live in the wasteland of suburban NJ.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 08, 2018, 04:09:41 PM
The greatest tragedy of not getting the WSS was our players being banished to live in the wasteland of suburban NJ.
Practically a war crime.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 08, 2018, 04:30:45 PM
True story. Over the weekend we had to drive down to Freehold. As soon as we crossed over the GW, my wife asks "What is that smell?!" As if on cue, we both simultaneously said "Jersey."
c'mon, Alio. you're one of my favorite posters but that's probably the laziest line/reasoning i've ever seen you use. there are places that smell all over. drive along parts of the LIE/cross island/cross bronx and you'll similarly run into 'wtf is that smell?' moments. it has no bearing on the state/location itself, just a random smell at a particular location. or should i use the same deductive reasoning and say that all of ny must smell like excrement
take this from somebody who's lived in queens, long island, and NE jersey, as well as spending 4 years at college in central jersey. any one of the boroughs (other than staten island) is sort of unfair to compare to (i think the bronx even has its own appeal), but i'd much rather live in either northeast or central NJ, than live in long island ever again.
morristown is whack as hell. there are much better areas to live in with regards to NE NJ that would still make an easy commute to florham park.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 08, 2018, 04:33:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2018, 06:01:10 PM
You don't have to like it, that's cool. One less dumb m*therf*cker on the road in front of me.
With no traffic, from Florham Park you could hit the Lincoln or Holland in roughly 30 minutes. So yeah, on a good night 3:30 am would be about right.
Always a good look for your rookie QB to helicopter in to practice. Really helps him fit in with the guys.
The poorest players on the team (not counting tryout players and what not) make around what 600 to 700k a year.
That said I hope Darnold isn't enough of a dumhass to take one to work
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2018, 06:04:30 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2018, 06:18:46 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 08, 2018, 06:23:56 PM
This thread is a pooper nowThis.
You morons should pee razor blades for the desecration of this holy thread.
Post by: Pope on May 08, 2018, 06:33:43 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 08, 2018, 06:35:15 PM
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2018, 08:14:45 PM
You morons should pee razor blades for the desecration of this holy thread.
This thread is a pooper now
I can fix this.
Where Darnold walks, fresh sprouts erupt from the earth, and the air is purified as it passes through his hair. All manners of wildlife are drawn to him and become instantly domesticated once they feel the aura of his natural leadership.
No matter where he makes his home, the land shall become #blessed.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 08, 2018, 08:53:31 PM
Post by: Badger on May 09, 2018, 09:04:22 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 09, 2018, 10:32:43 AM
Some of you people really need to get a grip.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 09, 2018, 10:41:08 AM
I apologize to all the people who understand what a joke is for freaking up this previously beautiful thread.
Some of you people really need to get a grip.
Sam Darnold will clean the thread with his gloriousness.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 09, 2018, 10:41:52 AM
Sam Darnold will clean the thread with his gloriousness.
I believe.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 09, 2018, 11:27:07 AM
This thread is a pooper now
Now it's turning gay and Puck hasn't even chimed in yet today.
Post by: Badger on May 09, 2018, 11:31:38 AM
Now it's turning gay and Puck hasn't even chimed in yet today.
"I once ran the entire length of the Garden State Parkway in a single day in my skivvies"
There now it's like Puck chimed in.
Post by: insanity on May 09, 2018, 12:52:40 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/jets-darnold-using-high-tech-training-that-could-help-qbs/2018/05/09/38cca396-5356-11e8-a6d4-ca1d035642ce_story.html
Tech is for nerds. What a loser
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2018, 04:55:11 PM
HTH
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 09, 2018, 05:02:03 PM
I like both New York and New Jersey. NYC is the greatest city in the world and from what I've seen New Jersey is mostly really beautiful once you get a few miles past the Hudson.
HTH
As someone who grew up in Jersey and now lives in NYC, I share this perspective.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 09, 2018, 09:11:21 PM
Tech is for nerds. What a loser
That some serious interesting analytics stuff. And it’s helping Darnold resolve his throwing motion on passes beyond 32 yards, so let’s just be excited about that
Post by: insanity on May 09, 2018, 09:31:51 PM
That some serious interesting analytics stuff. And it’s helping Darnold resolve his throwing motion on passes beyond 32 yards, so let’s just be excited about that
Be excited about a quarterback who needs to windup more to throw it 32 yards? Josh Allen can throw it 64 yards from his knees while he's blowing Jim Kelly to cure his cancer
Post by: Miamipuck on May 09, 2018, 11:29:42 PM
Now it's turning gay and Puck hasn't even chimed in yet today.
Sorry I was busy sucking rooster, just like New Jersey.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2018, 09:27:11 AM
How many days in heaven now?
Post by: Heismanberg on May 10, 2018, 09:32:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7-UgSwYGA
USC vs. Texas
Darnold had inexperienced receivers, a horrible offensive line, and carried that team to a victory in OT. He makes a few bad throws and turns the ball over, but it never snowballs.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2018, 09:46:35 AM
Everyone loves Darnold's performance in the Rose Bowl against Penn State, but this is one of his best performances to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7-UgSwYGA
USC vs. Texas
Darnold had inexperienced receivers, a horrible offensive line, and carried that team to a victory in OT. He makes a few bad throws and turns the ball over, but it never snowballs.
Yeah, there were a couple of "WTF" throws in there, but some of those drops were inexcusable. And the line got manhandled on a bunch of plays.
He made a couple of jumping throws that I was like "Wow!"
Post by: Coach K on May 10, 2018, 09:56:48 AM
Everyone loves Darnold's performance in the Rose Bowl against Penn State, but this is one of his best performances to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7-UgSwYGA
USC vs. Texas
Darnold had inexperienced receivers, a horrible offensive line, and carried that team to a victory in OT. He makes a few bad throws and turns the ball over, but it never snowballs.
yeah thats a great example of what he can do to elevate and make plays even under less than ideal scenarios and a lack of talent around him
Post by: Laxin on May 10, 2018, 10:25:54 AM
Everyone loves Darnold's performance in the Rose Bowl against Penn State, but this is one of his best performances to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7-UgSwYGA
USC vs. Texas
Darnold had inexperienced receivers, a horrible offensive line, and carried that team to a victory in OT. He makes a few bad throws and turns the ball over, but it never snowballs.
That jump pass was freaking awesome.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 10, 2018, 10:30:20 AM
That jump pass was freaking awesome.
Big time, clutch play
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 10, 2018, 11:22:08 AM
Sorry I was busy sucking rooster.
The fagg*t a$$ child filter we have here saved this from being my new signature.
Post by: Johnny English on May 10, 2018, 11:31:40 AM
The fagg*t a$$ child filter we have here saved this from being my new signature.
You can turn it off.
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2018, 11:54:25 AM
You can turn it off.
It's childproof though, like pill bottles, in that it would require reading the instructions.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 10, 2018, 12:00:24 PM
It's childproof though, like pill bottles, in that it would require reading the instructions.
Yeah, I went to account settings and then gave up. Not that important.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 10, 2018, 12:02:24 PM
The fagg*t a$$ child filter we have here saved this from being my new signature.
It's on my end jackass, and that's why I love the filter. Here: kindly go freak yourself.
Post by: Johnny English on May 10, 2018, 12:03:19 PM
Yeah, I went to account settings and then gave up. Not that important.
Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout > Leave words uncensored
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 10, 2018, 12:08:48 PM
Everyone loves Darnold's performance in the Rose Bowl against Penn State, but this is one of his best performances to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7-UgSwYGA
USC vs. Texas
Darnold had inexperienced receivers, a horrible offensive line, and carried that team to a victory in OT. He makes a few bad throws and turns the ball over, but it never snowballs.
Thanks for that. Trying to figure out if his release is that fast, the video kept speeding up and slowing down, but it looks like he gets it out there pretty quick.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 10, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
kindly go freak yourself.
Physically impossible.
Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout > Leave words uncensored
Thank you, sir.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 10, 2018, 01:10:11 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 10, 2018, 01:11:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 10, 2018, 01:17:52 PM
when it works, anyway
You have to turn it on.
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2018, 01:31:11 PM
the swear filter is the best part of this place, Dean Koontz
Works fine for me.
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 10, 2018, 01:33:39 PM
You have to turn it on.
it's just missing the plural
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2018, 02:17:46 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2018, 02:18:18 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 10, 2018, 03:37:52 PM
lol
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 10, 2018, 04:21:32 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 10, 2018, 04:48:34 PM
when i saw that jump pass last fall i felt there was no way he wouldn't go #1
lol
#ThankClevelend
Post by: Miamipuck on May 10, 2018, 10:18:55 PM
the swear filter is the best part of this place, you cunts
hoo-ha bundle of sticks lover of the older lady freak derriere excrement rooster funbags queynte player of the pink oboe
Post by: Heismanberg on May 11, 2018, 10:25:06 AM
He thinks our offense is already fully installed. And he also doesn’t know the difference between 4-3 and 3-4.
Post by: Johnny English on May 11, 2018, 10:33:28 AM
And he also doesn’t know the difference between 4-3 and 3-4.
Duh. It's 2.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 11, 2018, 12:47:11 PM
Duh. It's 2.
I liked that one a little too much. Must be the dad in me.
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 11, 2018, 01:57:54 PM
I liked that one a little too much. Must be the dad in me.
Math humor = always hilarious.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 13, 2018, 08:35:00 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 13, 2018, 01:07:26 PM
Post by: Badger on May 13, 2018, 01:57:48 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 15, 2018, 12:22:43 AM
That third touchdown pass is one of the best throws you'll ever see a quarterback at any level make.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 15, 2018, 11:07:28 AM
That Arizona St. secondary looked like excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on May 15, 2018, 11:18:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt7-HMMIaso&t=7s
That third touchdown pass is one of the best throws you'll ever see a quarterback at any level make.
The first one wasn't too shabby either.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 16, 2018, 12:18:20 PM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/05/16/new-york-jets-sam-darnold-2018-draft?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_campaign=sinow
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 16, 2018, 12:25:56 PM
Really cool article about the Jets' pursuit of Darnold.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/05/16/new-york-jets-sam-darnold-2018-draft?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_campaign=sinow
Quote
And then Bowles, succinct as ever, simply said, “Let’s go.”
My Coach
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 16, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
Really cool article about the Jets' pursuit of Darnold.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/05/16/new-york-jets-sam-darnold-2018-draft?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_campaign=sinow
I rarely read anything with much emotion. I smiled the entire time I read that article. It's amazing to me. The Jets staff basically mirrored this board and much of Jets fandom.
"I want Darnold."
"There's no way he's going to be there."
"I want Mayfield."
"I want Rosen."
"I actually really want Darnold."
"He's never going to be there."
"But I really want him to be there."
"I'll be happy with Mayfield."
"I'll be happy with Rosen."
"Mayfield or Rosen. Get it done."
"Wait...what? Darnold didn't go 1?"
"DARNOLD DIDN'T GO TWO!?!"
"My life has MEANING!"
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2018, 02:14:32 PM
My Coach
Fire Bowles
in b4 MB
Post by: Libero_2 on May 16, 2018, 05:39:20 PM
Really cool article about the Jets' pursuit of Darnold.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/05/16/new-york-jets-sam-darnold-2018-draft?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_campaign=sinow
These articles are like crack. I love it
I’m shocked we got so much info about past QBs we really wanted and grades on Baker Mayfield being 9s across the board for his character and football ethics
Post by: Miamipuck on May 16, 2018, 06:02:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 16, 2018, 07:41:06 PM
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The Jets aren’t wasting time. They’re already studying how the Eagles and Rams are handling the advantage of having a star quarterback on a rookie deal, and how the Seahawks took advantage of it with Russell Wilson years ago.
Boner. freaking boner.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 16, 2018, 08:37:58 PM
Post by: insanity on May 16, 2018, 09:05:58 PM
These articles are like crack. I love it
I’m shocked we got so much info about past QBs we really wanted and grades on Baker Mayfield being 9s across the board for his character and football ethics
What article was that?
Post by: insanity on May 16, 2018, 09:06:58 PM
Quote
My god, did you see him?” Mastroddi asks, grinning. Maccagnan responds, “The only reason I drafted him was because you came to my office and told me to.”
Post by: Libero_2 on May 16, 2018, 09:13:53 PM
What article was that?
This one. They talked a ton about our past desire for Mariota, Goff and that when we moved up we were comfortable with Mayfield, Rosen and Darnold and even went more in depth with Mayfield and Darnold grades
Post by: insanity on May 17, 2018, 06:31:29 AM
This one. They talked a ton about our past desire for Mariota, Goff and that when we moved up we were comfortable with Mayfield, Rosen and Darnold and even went more in depth with Mayfield and Darnold grades
Somehow missed the 9s. Does that mean baker was our first choice?
Post by: Laxin on May 17, 2018, 08:44:06 AM
Somehow missed the 9s. Does that mean baker was our first choice?
No, they just said Baker was 9s for character and work ethic, but lower across the board on everything else.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 17, 2018, 09:36:12 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 17, 2018, 09:37:41 AM
Also, that was one scouts grade. Duff said that he didn’t write down his grades for the QBs, he had his order of preference in his head.
1. Luke Fauauaulk
2. Darnold
3. Mayfield
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 17, 2018, 09:41:17 PM
we have sam darnold
Post by: MoreCharacters on May 18, 2018, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 18, 2018, 05:06:17 PM
that article should be titled "mike maccagnan and his 10 inch peen"
Post by: bojanglesman on May 19, 2018, 04:38:57 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 20, 2018, 07:37:59 AM
OH NO SAM WHAT ARE YOU DOING
Post by: Heismanberg on May 20, 2018, 08:19:00 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/fanatics/status/997916949785948160
OH NO SAM WHAT ARE YOU DOING
Josh Allen dabbing...what a bundle of sticks
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 20, 2018, 11:23:17 AM
Post by: Badger on May 20, 2018, 11:45:35 AM
https://www.ebay.com/i/153011583696?chn=ps&var=452816814577&ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fi%25252F153011583696%25253Fchn%25253Dps%252526var%25253D452816814577%2526itemid%253D452816814577%2526targetid%253D411958982639%2526device%253Dt%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9004405%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D1058345754%2526adgroupid%253D57466017768%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-411958982639%2526abcId%253D1133846%2526merchantid%253D6296724%2526gclid%253DCj0KCQjwuYTYBRDsARIsAJnrUXAejmpkZ34u4xd2EXDJG_BrS6R_zOExq3d_H0S-cOvdJskJo2XQJXkaAohkEALw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1537391708724%2526rvr_ts%253D7e70f5841630ac893096707efff71a0f(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180520/b87517eadd886cb9d6d1c6e00ff4cbb3.jpg)
Post by: reuben on May 20, 2018, 12:31:43 PM
chark and the other niggs should have effed him up after this trash white boy used the N word and then proceeded to further attempt to appropriate their culture by dabbing, and with such a lame awkward attempt at that
I'm pretty sure dabbing isn't black culture anymore. This is the moment Kamala Harris released it on behalf of the black caucus:
(https://c-6rtwjumjzx7877x24x78x2emiszcx2ehtr.g00.sfgate.com/g00/3_c-6bbb.x78klfyj.htr_/c-6RTWJUMJZX77x24myyux78x3ax2fx2fx78.miszc.htrx2fumtytx78x2f08x2f70x2f51x2f66803195x2f8x2f475c475.oulx3fn65h.rfwpx3dnrflj_$/$/$/$/$/$/$/$)
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 20, 2018, 01:56:18 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 20, 2018, 02:43:35 PM
holdup do those pics mean that we aren't getting new jerseys?Who said we were? I know a bunch of players are pushing for it but that will have no bearing on any decision, otherwise every team would have new uniforms every year and the entire league would have black uniforms.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 20, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
holdup do those pics mean that we aren't getting new jerseys?
They would have announced it half a year ago if we were
Post by: dcm1602 on May 20, 2018, 03:44:17 PM
Who said we were? I know a bunch of players are pushing for it but that will have no bearing on any decision, otherwise every team would have new uniforms every year and the entire league would have black uniforms.
I've seen that rumor for months no idea where it came from.
But clearly the Jets aren't going to change jerseys after the draft and millions of Darnold jerseys were made/sold
Post by: bojanglesman on May 20, 2018, 03:47:15 PM
I've seen that rumor for months no idea where it came from.Sell current jerseys.
But clearly the Jets aren't going to change jerseys after the draft and millions of Darnold jerseys were made/sold
Make newly designed ones.
Sell those too.
Sell off old Santonio Holmes supply to MBGreen for $275 each.
Profit.
Post by: Badger on May 20, 2018, 04:06:01 PM
I've seen that rumor for months no idea where it came from.
Dipshits on /r/nyjets
Post by: Koz on May 22, 2018, 07:29:55 AM
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2018, 08:08:01 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjGZL_NgClc/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=vglrj2ak5769
Post by: Ornstein on May 22, 2018, 10:59:13 PM
Post by: Laxin on May 23, 2018, 06:38:04 AM
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2018, 08:08:24 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2018, 08:19:18 AM
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/05/sam_darnold_josh_mccown_jets_quarterback_column_po.html
I'm so happy we have McCown mentoring the kid.
Mason Rudolph is fucked in Pittsburgh.
Post by: Laxin on May 23, 2018, 08:26:04 AM
I'm so happy we have McCown mentoring the kid.
Mason Rudolph is fucked in Pittsburgh.
Last year, I really wasn't a huge fan of McCown mostly because I was just really frustrated that we once again had a bandaid at QB with no future on the roster... but I am really glad he's back this year. He was made for this role. I honestly think having McCown is part of the reason why the organization didn't feel the need to hire a QB coach.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 23, 2018, 08:52:09 AM
McCown warms my heart almost as much as Chad.
this might be going a bit far. chad should hold a special place within the hearts of the nyj fanbase and for good reason. before being unfortunately decimated by injuries, he was going to be one of our all time great QBs. had more than enough arm, accurate, very cerebral, a great teammate/leader, and generally a good person. i'm glad to see that he's still somewhat involved with the organization when he gives his insights about the happenings with the organization today
mccown is a good dude, and im really glad to have him on the team right now, and hope he is a good teacher to darnold. i believe he will be, and im thankful for everything he's done with us so far. but chad's in a different class
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2018, 09:22:19 AM
this might be going a bit far. chad should hold a special place within the hearts of the nyj fanbase and for good reason. before being unfortunately decimated by injuries, he was going to be one of our all time great QBs. had more than enough arm, accurate, very cerebral, a great teammate/leader, and generally a good person. i'm glad to see that he's still somewhat involved with the organization when he gives his insights about the happenings with the organization today
mccown is a good dude, and im really glad to have him on the team right now, and hope he is a good teacher to darnold. i believe he will be, and im thankful for everything he's done with us so far. but chad's in a different class
I guess one way to look at it is that we were robbed of what should have been a much longer career from Chad by his injuries. If he was able to stay healthy and was still playing, he would be in the role that McCown is now, the mentor passing off the job to the next generation. So in a way I can see how McCown is kind of fulfilling Chad's destiny for Jets fans.
Post by: Ornstein on May 23, 2018, 07:40:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2018, 08:04:09 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2018, 08:11:14 PM
The chin, the blond hair, he's got it all......
(https://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/flash-gordon-iff-630x354.jpg)
HE SAVED EVERY ONE OF US
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2018, 08:15:45 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2018, 08:17:34 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on May 29, 2018, 07:49:00 PM
this might be going a bit far. chad should hold a special place within the hearts of the nyj fanbase and for good reason. before being unfortunately decimated by injuries, he was going to be one of our all time great QBs. had more than enough arm, accurate, very cerebral, a great teammate/leader, and generally a good person. i'm glad to see that he's still somewhat involved with the organization when he gives his insights about the happenings with the organization today
mccown is a good dude, and im really glad to have him on the team right now, and hope he is a good teacher to darnold. i believe he will be, and im thankful for everything he's done with us so far. but chad's in a different class
Nice post.
Darnold appears to be a Dodger fan based on his Instagram.
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2018, 09:13:03 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 01, 2018, 08:22:11 AM
still can't fathom him falling to us at 3.
#bleeeedat
Post by: bojanglesman on June 04, 2018, 05:50:03 PM
https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/all-access-jets-make-the-call-to-sam-darnold-20590118
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2018, 05:57:13 PM
Post by: reuben on June 04, 2018, 07:16:17 PM
Did this fucker sign his contract yet?
Jets FO is holding off until after he gets his first DUI. Should be mid-June-ish.
Post by: Badger on June 04, 2018, 08:00:24 PM
Jets FO is holding off until after he gets his first DUI. Should be mid-June-ish.
My money's on him crashing an F150 into the side of Fuddruckers in Paramus.
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2018, 09:37:13 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2018, 09:41:15 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2018, 09:42:17 AM
Someone tell the fat bust to sign his contract.
lots of time.
I'm confident he isn't going to pull a Revis.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2018, 10:06:24 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2018, 12:53:43 PM
Q: “How did you celebrate [your 21st]?”
A: “By playing football.”
Boss.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 05, 2018, 12:55:01 PM
Darnold:
Q: “How did you celebrate [your 21st]?”
A: “By playing football.”
Boss.
Too early for an extension?
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2018, 04:25:24 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 13, 2018, 04:38:27 PM
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/06/jets_jeremy_bates_raves_about_sam_darnold_really_i.html
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Post by: Laxin on June 13, 2018, 06:50:11 PM
Post by: Laxin on June 14, 2018, 01:01:38 PM
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We often get too caught up in OTAs and mini camp but I think it’s safe to say if Sam Darnold keeps up this pace, he’s going to be the #Jets week 1 starter.
There is a tent in my pants.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 14, 2018, 02:04:14 PM
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MMehtaNYDN:My top takeaway from Day 2 of #Jets minicamp:
Sam Darnold has STAR written all over him... and the Jets know it.
It's a matter of when... not if.
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Post by: d sw0rdz on June 15, 2018, 05:42:23 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 18, 2018, 09:36:13 AM
I don’t know where this Calvin Watkins guy came from but he has to be the dumbest beat reporter we’ve had in a long time.
Someone at Newsday must have read this since he's covering the Cowboys now.
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2018, 10:44:54 AM
Someone at Newsday must have read this since he's covering the Cowboys now.
Oh good, now I can stop following his twitter.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 18, 2018, 01:02:19 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2018, 03:20:32 PM
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2018, 08:58:18 PM
https://nypost.com/2018/06/14/that-buzz-you-hear-from-jets-camp-is-all-about-sam-darnold/amp/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2018, 09:18:39 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2018, 09:22:28 PM
OF COURSE ERIC TOMLINSON HAD A CRAWFISH BROIL ON MEMORIAL DAYTrailer Trash is one of my favorite players. You know he probably drives a tow truck in the off-season for extra beer money.
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2018, 10:31:46 PM
Never mind the fat bust, what I took from that article is that Jamal Adams calls McCown "Uncle Josh".
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4135.msg298248.html#msg298248
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 19, 2018, 11:51:49 AM
Never mind the fat bust, what I took from that article is that Jamal Adams calls McCown "Uncle Josh".
Haha, and I took away "Samazing."
Post by: bojanglesman on June 25, 2018, 01:29:34 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 25, 2018, 03:08:11 PM
I'll admit, I still keep replaying the video of us drafting him on YouTube. freaking awesome.
i do this too. there's still an unreal element to getting the best QB in the draft, the qb that we all wanted, at the 3 spot when we all thought we had absolutely no shot at him. none.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 28, 2018, 04:20:09 PM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Pope on June 28, 2018, 04:58:48 PM
Remember when hack journalists wrote that if we got the #1 pick, Darnold would go back to school to avoid having to play for us?He enrolled in Devry to finish his degree
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 01, 2018, 09:26:48 AM
Remember when hack journalists wrote that if we got the #1 pick, Darnold would go back to school to avoid having to play for us?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
We faked him out by landing at 3, with an assist from Cleveland.
I periodically check this thread just to make sure he's still on the team and nothing bad has happened.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 03, 2018, 11:11:47 AM
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Madden 19 top 5 rookie QB ratings:
Baker Mayfield: 81
Lamar Jackson: 79
Josh Rosen: 78
Sam Darnold: 75
Josh Allen: 74
Furiously typing a letter to EA now
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 03, 2018, 01:02:56 PM
is what I would say, if I was still young enough to give a excrement about Madden ratings.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 03, 2018, 01:33:39 PM
Furiously typing a letter to EA now
He's downgraded because he doesn't have the right face to be a QB in this league.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 03, 2018, 03:55:25 PM
How the freak is Mayfield an 81...
is what I would say, if I was still young enough to give a excrement about Madden ratings.
I mean he's the top overall pick, and he is probably the safest bet as a rookie I think
I don't think the ratings are horrible considering they don't factor in growth and potential. I mean Mayfield and Rosen are probably more game day ready than Darnold, and Jacksons rating is likely inflated by his speed and athletic abilities while not being very good at throwing the ball.
If those ratings are how they projected the QBs long term of course they're freaking delusional, but if they're based on how they expect the guys to play right now it's not absurd.
Post by: Johnny English on July 03, 2018, 04:49:28 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 03, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
https://www.facebook.com/onejetsdrive/videos/213851405906573/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 09, 2018, 04:25:55 PM
Brb, on my way to have sex with all of your moms
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 12, 2018, 12:40:31 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 13, 2018, 08:21:33 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 13, 2018, 09:48:56 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 13, 2018, 12:51:17 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 13, 2018, 02:00:35 PM
Preaseason Game 1 - Friday August 10 at 7:30 vs Falcons, being broadcasted on NFL network
Good
https://nypost.com/2018/07/13/ben-mcadoo-doesnt-like-the-way-sam-darnold-throws-the-football/
Good
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2018, 02:06:41 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 13, 2018, 06:11:42 PM
This is the same Ben McAdoo who started Geno Smith over Eli Manning, right?
My thought exactly. He must have liked his throwing motion.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 14, 2018, 11:01:23 PM
Post by: MBGreen on July 15, 2018, 12:32:04 PM
Just wore this out to the bar and got dapped up by a guy wearing a Jets shirt. He walks away and it’s a freaking Geno Smith shirsey. How the freak are you wearing that out in publicYou’re aware how retarded the majority of the jets fan base is, right?
Post by: insanity on July 15, 2018, 01:14:00 PM
You’re aware how retarded the majority of the world is, right?
Fyp
Post by: dcm1602 on July 15, 2018, 08:23:36 PM
Just wore this out to the bar and got dapped up by a guy wearing a Jets shirt. He walks away and it’s a freaking Geno Smith shirsey. How the freak are you wearing that out in public
I mean at least have some respect and wear a Sanchez jersey.
Post by: Johnny English on July 15, 2018, 08:41:46 PM
I mean at least have some respect and wear a Sanchez jersey.
I've still got mine. Not sure I'll wear it again, but I always liked the guy and still do.
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 16, 2018, 08:59:43 AM
I've still got mine. Not sure I'll wear it again, but I always liked the guy and still do.
I still like Sanchez and would like to see him succeed somewhere before he's done.
There's a picture on our wall of my daughter wearing a Sanchez jersey when she was about 7, hugging our dog. I'm probably the only one who looks at it with mixed feelings lol.
Post by: Ornstein on July 16, 2018, 11:42:46 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2018, 12:04:32 PM
Anyone who hates Sanchez is just an poopchute.
Welcome to the New York Jets. You must be new.
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 16, 2018, 12:53:43 PM
He was our guy until Tanny, Schotty, and Rex completely ruined him.
Let's not get crazy. They passed on Peyton Manning, gave him a big contract and re-signed Holmes to be his #1 WR. He and Holmes didn't live up to it, it's that simple. There were other problems, yes, but let's not get crazy.
Post by: Ornstein on July 16, 2018, 12:57:05 PM
Let's not get crazy. They passed on Peyton Manning, gave him a big contract and resigned Holmes to be his #1 WR. He and Holmes didn't live up to it, it's that simple. There were other problems, yes, but let's not get crazy.
They didn't pass on Manning, he had no intention of signing here, at that point they had no choice but to re-sign Sanchez. The three stooges went on to ruin other teams and somehow one of them is still employed by the Dolphins.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 16, 2018, 01:33:43 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 16, 2018, 02:34:51 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2018, 03:22:21 PM
Regardless of Manning, they gave Sanchez and his top WR big contracts and expected them to step up, they didn't. Blame management if you want to, some of the responsibility to play has to be on the players. Especially the players you give the big money to in the salary cap era.
Sanchez never was going to be a top quarterback. But the guy had a legit chance at being a mediocre long term option. It's undeniable Rex and Co had absolutely zero freaking idea what they were doing with him. And basically ended his career
And Bowles and Mac are having the same issue playing musical freaking coordinators with our OC. Fortunately it hasn't had an impact on Darnold, but if he has 3 OCs in 4 years I think Mac needs to freaking go because Bowles will certainly be gone by then
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 16, 2018, 03:42:27 PM
Sanchez never was going to be a top quarterback. But the guy had a legit chance at being a mediocre long term option. It's undeniable Rex and Co had absolutely zero freaking idea what they were doing with him. And basically ended his career.
This is the part I disagree with. Sanchez was in his mid 20s when he left here, in a league that needs QBs there was plenty of time and opportunity if he was ever going to be good. Again I hope he does before it's over, but blaming management from years ago isn't an excuse, it's more than that.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 16, 2018, 06:14:45 PM
Regardless of Manning, they gave Sanchez and his top WR big contracts and expected them to step up, they didn't. Blame management if you want to, some of the responsibility to play has to be on the players. Especially the players you give the big money to in the salary cap era.
When Manning told them to get lost, Tanny gave Sanchez an extension to prove he was still our guy, and make sure he didn't have hard feelings.
They chose Holmes over Braylon, and frankly neither did a damn thing in their careers after 2010. Sanchez had a deterioration around him and led to his failure.
Post by: Ornstein on July 16, 2018, 07:41:08 PM
Regardless of Manning, they gave Sanchez and his top WR big contracts and expected them to step up, they didn't. Blame management if you want to, some of the responsibility to play has to be on the players. Especially the players you give the big money to in the salary cap era.
They drafted almost no talent for Sanchez to work with and then threw money at a guy who's a number 2 on his best day while also being a huge poopchute and awful teammate. They also alienated Cotchery who was a fan favorite. They traded for Tebow. The list goes on.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2018, 08:48:58 PM
Post by: Ornstein on July 16, 2018, 09:51:28 PM
Sanchez didn't have the potential Darnold has. He could have been a perennially average QB.
That's ridiculous. Let's not underrate Sanchez coming out as a draft prospect. He was projected to be a good to great quarterback at his peak. Tanny should have been licking Mangini's balls after he was gift wrapped a quarterback prospect of that caliber.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 16, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
Post by: Ornstein on July 16, 2018, 11:22:52 PM
Sanchez should have gone back to school
He was a guaranteed top 5 pick under the old CBA. He would have been foolish to wait an extra year.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 17, 2018, 05:47:49 AM
He was a guaranteed top 5 pick under the old CBA. He would have been foolish to wait an extra year.
Monetarily didn't Sanchez make nearly $80 million dollars in his career as a Jet which was what 5 years? 09-14?
If Darnold plays out his rookie deal with 5th year option doesn't that put him in like the $35 million dollar range for career earnings?
With that CBA changing a year after Sanchez was drafted, he definitely made the right call financially. I still think if we had an OL and decent receiving core in 2011 he would have taken a step in his development
Post by: bojanglesman on July 17, 2018, 08:04:11 AM
That's not to say Sanchez was going to be top 5 again if he went back to school another year.
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 17, 2018, 01:17:09 PM
They drafted almost no talent for Sanchez to work with and then threw money at a guy who's a number 2 on his best day while also being a huge poopchute and awful teammate. They also alienated Cotchery who was a fan favorite. They traded for Tebow. The list goes on.
Management certainly shared in the blame, but Sanchez has done nothing with career since leaving, and he was still a young guy with experience to boot. He's barely in the league, that's not now the fault of the people running the Jets in 2011. I still like him too, but it is what it is.
Post by: Ornstein on July 17, 2018, 07:12:10 PM
Monetarily didn't Sanchez make nearly $80 million dollars in his career as a Jet which was what 5 years? 09-14?
If Darnold plays out his rookie deal with 5th year option doesn't that put him in like the $35 million dollar range for career earnings?
With that CBA changing a year after Sanchez was drafted, he definitely made the right call financially. I still think if we had an OL and decent receiving core in 2011 he would have taken a step in his development
2011 was his best year. It was just remembered more as a season where the team collapsed down the stretch like usual. The final nail in the Sanchize coffin was hiring Sparano.
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 18, 2018, 11:34:53 AM
2011 was his best year. It was just remembered more as a season where the team collapsed down the stretch like usual. The final nail in the Sanchize coffin was hiring Sparano.
The collapse wasn't really because of Sanchez. Holmes fumbled a TD away early in the Philly game and of course freaked out completely in the Miami game at the end. Sanchez wasn't on the field when we let Victor Cruz go 99 yards on 3rd down, either, or the Tebow run a few weeks earlier in Denver.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 18, 2018, 11:42:24 AM
2011 was his best year. It was just remembered more as a season where the team collapsed down the stretch like usual. The final nail in the Sanchize coffin was hiring Sparano.Agreed. The 2011 team stripped him of a lot of his weapons. Plaxico was the slowest receiver I've ever seen. Sanchez had to put that offense on his back in many cases. He wasn't quite good enough to do it, but he was still improving. Then in 2012, the bottom fell out.
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 18, 2018, 12:01:02 PM
Agreed. The 2011 team stripped him of a lot of his weapons. Plaxico was the slowest receiver I've ever seen. Sanchez had to put that offense on his back in many cases. He wasn't quite good enough to do it, but he was still improving. Then in 2012, the bottom fell out.
Turnovers were his undoing, here and after he left here. Particularly the fumbles, a lot of those get taken to the house. Interceptions are going to happen, he had too many of those too, but he never learned to take care of the ball well enough.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 18, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
At least we’re not talking about Hack?
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 18, 2018, 12:54:37 PM
Move these posts to the porta potty, thanks mods
At least we’re not talking about Hack?
If you like I can make a thread celebrating all our 2nd round picks this decade.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 18, 2018, 01:55:08 PM
Nothing in the past matters.
Post by: Johnny English on July 18, 2018, 02:03:25 PM
Sam Darnold is the NY Jets' QB.
Nothing in the past matters.
Josh McCown is the NY Jets' QB.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 18, 2018, 02:12:48 PM
Josh McCown is the NY Jets' QB.
For now...
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 20, 2018, 08:01:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 22, 2018, 09:35:47 AM
getting pretty antsy for some actual football to start being played. training camp/preseason cant come soon enough
If you want I can send you some tape of me slinging it in my backyard. Better throwing motion than Darnold
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 24, 2018, 09:58:52 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 24, 2018, 02:09:33 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 24, 2018, 02:18:43 PM
He needs to sign a contract
Shouldn't be long now. With the rookie scale its very little to quibble over and if Barkley's deal was fully guaranteed, Darnold's will be as well. That's all that matters and it's going to get done in the next 36 hours I would bet
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
He needs to sign a contract
Too busy wobbling his chins around on the California beach chasing frisbees with his buddies to worry about something as trifling as football.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 24, 2018, 03:47:38 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 24, 2018, 03:53:17 PM
This situation is ridiculous though. I thought the rookie payscale was supposed to end this stuff? Isn't it just about guaranteed money? If so, just fully guarantee the contract. This is the guy you're going to live or die with, so you may as well go all-in, no?
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 24, 2018, 03:59:21 PM
$am Darnold
LOL
Rex needs to fly to Miami and fix this excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2018, 04:44:58 PM
He's not reporting with the other rookies tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see how Bowles reacts. Bowles is usually the guy saying "You can't make the team if you're not here" but that's a lot more complicated when the guy is the future of your franchise.
This situation is ridiculous though. I thought the rookie payscale was supposed to end this stuff? Isn't it just about guaranteed money? If so, just fully guarantee the contract. This is the guy you're going to live or die with, so you may as well go all-in, no?
I think it's really only offsets that are up for debate now.
Apparently Mayfield and Allen also haven't agreed contracts yet either.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 24, 2018, 05:18:19 PM
He's not reporting with the other rookies tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see how Bowles reacts. Bowles is usually the guy saying "You can't make the team if you're not here" but that's a lot more complicated when the guy is the future of your franchise.
This situation is ridiculous though. I thought the rookie payscale was supposed to end this stuff? Isn't it just about guaranteed money? If so, just fully guarantee the contract. This is the guy you're going to live or die with, so you may as well go all-in, no?
I'm hoping Bowels is smart enough to not comment on a player's contract negotiations.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 24, 2018, 09:13:59 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2018, 09:27:39 PM
Mayfield just signed his deal. I'm sure Darnold's will come in short order now.
He's busy cooking smores on the beach fire. Maybe tomorrow.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 24, 2018, 09:34:34 PM
He's not reporting with the other rookies tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see how Bowles reacts. Bowles is usually the guy saying "You can't make the team if you're not here" but that's a lot more complicated when the guy is the future of your franchise.
This situation is ridiculous though. I thought the rookie payscale was supposed to end this stuff? Isn't it just about guaranteed money? If so, just fully guarantee the contract. This is the guy you're going to live or die with, so you may as well go all-in, no?
If it was about Darnold in a vacuum of course they just fully guarantee the contract and move on. But I think this is some franchises/owners vs the NFPLA dick measuring contest about teams (both individually and as a collective) setting precedents going forward. Maybe even an unofficial type of collusion as well (on both sides)
Post by: bojanglesman on July 24, 2018, 09:35:40 PM
He's busy cooking smores on the beach fire. Maybe tomorrow.Ham Darnold's fat derriere is going to get the Jets a ring one day.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 24, 2018, 09:40:31 PM
Mayfield just signed his deal. I'm sure Darnold's will come in short order now.
Mayfield accepted the offsets so that he wouldnt miss any practice.
This obviously complicates the Darnold situation, unless he has the same attitude
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Mayfield and his family were eager for him to get into camp and not miss any practice time, so they urged agent Tom Mills to accept the offset language, a source told cleveland.com
Post by: Johnny English on July 24, 2018, 09:42:10 PM
Ham Darnold
YES
Post by: bojanglesman on July 25, 2018, 09:52:00 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2018, 11:33:37 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 25, 2018, 11:42:06 AM
It still seems silly to not just give him whatever. If he works out, who cares what offsets are in there? If he doesn't, he the next regime's problem.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 25, 2018, 12:34:44 PM
It kind of makes more sense for Mayfield to have signed before Darnold. Mayfield has a legitimate chance to be the opening day starter. Darnold would really have to wow everyone to make it over McCown, so losing a day or two of meetings and lifting with the team isn't really going to hurt him.
It still seems silly to not just give him whatever. If he works out, who cares what offsets are in there? If he doesn't, he the next regime's problem.
Considering that McCowm and Bridgewater are ahead of darnold I think his chances of starting are better than Mayfield
I think tyrod Taylor is basically a lock to start for the browns, at least darnold has a chance at winnijg rhe competition
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2018, 09:25:22 PM
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Sam Darnold's slotted rookie contract will be a fully guaranteed four-year deal for ~$30.25 million with a signing bonus of ~$20 million. Jets will have a fifth-year team option.-Mehta
No chance $arnold signs for any less than 50 Mill. Gonna be a long summer
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 25, 2018, 10:59:50 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2018, 04:11:05 PM
-Mehta
No chance $arnold signs for any less than 50 Mill. Gonna be a long summer
Wasn't this all known for months?
It doesn't even address whether or not the offset language is involved. Unless this has nothing to do with him signing
Post by: Laxin on July 27, 2018, 06:33:04 AM
(yes, I know he will sign eventually)
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 08:34:29 AM
(https://iamchampionaire.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/anxious-reaction-gif.gif?w=840)
Ole 96er FTW.
Also:
"That ain't the last bite!"
"Well sure it is, there is nothing on that plate but gristle and fat!"
[the Chef raises his eyebrows]
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2018, 09:10:40 AM
I'm not worried about the contract. I just think it's weird that they aren't just handing him a fully guaranteed deal and calling it a day. Like I've said, this guy is your do-or-die. Either he's the future and you're happy to pay him, or he sucks and you're out of a job. Either way, he can't hurt you with any offset language.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 09:41:50 AM
Cimini tweeted yesterday that the starting job is basically Darnold's to win, regardless of the contract situation (and Bridgewater's performance so far).
I'm not worried about the contract. I just think it's weird that they aren't just handing him a fully guaranteed deal and calling it a day. Like I've said, this guy is your do-or-die. Either he's the future and you're happy to pay him, or he sucks and you're out of a job. Either way, he can't hurt you with any offset language.
There are other things too, like when bonuses are paid out, and probably a few other details that we don't even know about. Besides amount of total guarantees and total salary (those aren't what is being negotiated), I think there is more wiggle room in negotiation of these deals than people realize. It isn't just "here's your assigned contract, shut up and sign here." While fans don't give a excrement and just want him to sign, I understand him and his agent taking their time. Worst case for him, this could be his life's earnings all in one deal. Taking a few extra days in training camp to get it right is just fine. If he fails or succeeds this year, it won't be affected by missing a little time at the beginning of training camp.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2018, 09:49:22 AM
There are other things too, like when bonuses are paid out, and probably a few other details that we don't even know about. Besides amount of total guarantees and total salary (those aren't what is being negotiated), I think there is more wiggle room in negotiation of these deals than people realize. It isn't just "here's your assigned contract, shut up and sign here." While fans don't give a excrement and just want him to sign, I understand him and his agent taking their time. Worst case for him, this could be his life's earnings all in one deal. Taking a few extra days in training camp to get it right is just fine. If he fails or succeeds this year, it won't be affected by missing a little time at the beginning of training camp.
Yeah, again, I'm not worried. And I'm not holding this against Darnold's camp. It just doesn't make sense to me from the Jets' perspective. The salary is basically already known, but like you said, when it gets paid out is up for negotiation. Just pay him. He's your do-or-die guy, so who cares if you made a bad deal if he fails? You're out of a job anyway, and it's the next regime's problem.
Post by: Laxin on July 27, 2018, 10:18:27 AM
There are other things too, like when bonuses are paid out, and probably a few other details that we don't even know about. Besides amount of total guarantees and total salary (those aren't what is being negotiated), I think there is more wiggle room in negotiation of these deals than people realize. It isn't just "here's your assigned contract, shut up and sign here." While fans don't give a excrement and just want him to sign, I understand him and his agent taking their time. Worst case for him, this could be his life's earnings all in one deal. Taking a few extra days in training camp to get it right is just fine. If he fails or succeeds this year, it won't be affected by missing a little time at the beginning of training camp.
Sure there are things to hammer out... but why is it happening now? That's really what I don't get. It shouldn't encroach training camp like this. They've had months to figure out the details. If both sides knew they were far apart, they should have showed more urgency earlier in the process.
First practice starts in a couple of hours. I'd have to imagine he's in the area and is just getting the green light from his agent to go to the facility and sign.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 10:22:15 AM
Sure there are things to hammer out... but why is it happening now? That's really what I don't get. It shouldn't encroach training camp like this. They've had months to figure out the details. If both sides knew they were far apart, they should have showed more urgency earlier in the process.
First practice starts in a couple of hours. I'd have to imagine he's in the area and is just getting the green light from his agent to go to the facility and sign.
Deadlines spur action. This happens in many fields. Two opposing sides aren't motivated to get a deal done unless there is something pushing them to do it. No one wants to budge until they have to.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 27, 2018, 10:35:46 AM
That being said, this should not lead to a prolonged holdout.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 10:55:38 AM
Neither Mayfield nor Allen signed contracts without offset language so it's understandable that the front office doesn't feel compelled to sign Darnold to a contract without it.
That being said, this should not lead to a prolonged holdout.
I think that in the case of Allen and Mayfield, the players asked to forgo worrying about offsets so they could sign and get into camp. I would imagine if Darnold did the same, he'd already be signed. Darnold and Allen have the same agent, but since Allen was several picks later, he may not have had the same leverage as Darnold regarding offsets.
I'm like you, I don't see this lasting too long.
According to Cimini, the delay is indeed over offset language. You're right that the Jets are in a more favorable position since Mayfield and Allen both took offsets in their contracts. Also, they have 2 other QBs ready to go and there is no rush for Darnold to start week 1.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2018, 11:57:29 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 12:14:17 PM
I get that Allen and Mayfield don’t have it, but isn’t it basically meaningless? Doesn’t it only apply if the Jets cut Darnold? Just freaking give it to him and get him on the fieldMaybe the Jets don't want to set a precedent for future players? Who knows.
I agree with you, but I'm not in the room and don't know all the details.
I guess it's about insurance for the worst case scenario. This is the Jets after all. If he's a complete bust, then it won't matter because no one will sign him after we cut him anyway. If it's clear he's not the guy after 2 or 3 years, but he's good enough to stick around in the league as a backup, that's where it could matter, but even then, the new team would probably just pay him the league minimum and let the Jets pay the rest. Kind of like the Chiefs did with Revis.
None of us think that will be the case, but people in the organization get paid to think of this excrement when us fans don't give a crap.
Maybe Cimini is wrong and it's related to bonus payout timing. That would make more sense.
Personally, I think he's already signed and will come out to practice WWE style as a surprise with intro music and full pyrotechnics. Possible a Ric Flair sequin robe.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 27, 2018, 01:12:19 PM
That said, it's as much about not setting a precedent as anything right now.
Post by: Laxin on July 27, 2018, 01:26:47 PM
If offset language becomes relevant for Darnold, Maccagnan won't be here to have to deal with it.
That said, it's as much about not setting a precedent as anything right now.
Darnold is a QB who was drafted 3rd overall. Unless they plan on drafting a QB that high again in the near future, its not really a precedent anyone should worry about. The QB position is different from any other position. Even if they draft Ed Oliver or Joey Bosa 2nd overall next year, its still significantly different than this situation.
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2018, 01:50:06 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2018, 02:08:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2018, 03:37:42 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 03:51:17 PM
We could probably get this done quicker if we sign Darnold to an extension. I bet we could get a freaking good rate too
I think missing the first practice is grounds for voiding his guarantees due to team conduct policy. Darnold gets league minimum for 4 years and he'll like it.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2018, 05:21:54 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 05:25:13 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2018, 05:32:49 PM
That said, Auston Matthews has the exact same vibe and he's doing OK. Still. I remain to be convinced that Darnold is happy about his situation, and this contract situation doesn't do anything to change that.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 05:35:02 PM
Have any of you, at any point, watched any interviews with or stories about Darnold and thought to yourself "this guy seems really excited for the prospect of playing football for the Jets"? Maybe it's just his demeanour, and I know I have been playing up the bust thing for my own amusement, but I am yet to have any kind of warm feelings or excitement about this kid. He has the general aura of really not wanting to be where he is right now.I just don't think he has a bubbly personality. I think he'd have the same reaction if he won the lottery. He has a robotic personality.
That said, Auston Matthews has the exact same vibe and he's doing OK. Still. I remain to be convinced that Darnold is happy about his situation, and this contract situation doesn't do anything to change that.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 27, 2018, 07:44:43 PM
Have any of you, at any point, watched any interviews with or stories about Darnold and thought to yourself "this guy seems really excited for the prospect of playing football for the Jets"?
When he answered his phone on draft day.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2018, 07:56:32 PM
Have any of you, at any point, watched any interviews with or stories about Darnold and thought to yourself "this guy seems really excited for the prospect of playing football for the Jets"? Maybe it's just his demeanour, and I know I have been playing up the bust thing for my own amusement, but I am yet to have any kind of warm feelings or excitement about this kid. He has the general aura of really not wanting to be where he is right now.
That said, Auston Matthews has the exact same vibe and he's doing OK. Still. I remain to be convinced that Darnold is happy about his situation, and this contract situation doesn't do anything to change that.
Dude is "supposed" to be a Cleveland freaking Brown. Id be freaking surprised if he wasnt at least relieved to be in NY instead of the face of the worst franchise in the history of sports. Sure the Jets are generally looked down upon as a somewhat pathetic and embarrassing franchise. But compared to the Browns this is a dream landing spot
Post by: Laxin on July 27, 2018, 08:00:01 PM
Have any of you, at any point, watched any interviews with or stories about Darnold and thought to yourself "this guy seems really excited for the prospect of playing football for the Jets"? Maybe it's just his demeanour, and I know I have been playing up the bust thing for my own amusement, but I am yet to have any kind of warm feelings or excitement about this kid. He has the general aura of really not wanting to be where he is right now.
That said, Auston Matthews has the exact same vibe and he's doing OK. Still. I remain to be convinced that Darnold is happy about his situation, and this contract situation doesn't do anything to change that.
Has Eli ever sounded real enthusiastic about anything? He just seems like an introverted, SoCal type of guy. I've never heard anyone really question his love for the game. I think it's waaaaaaaay to early to be questioning his love/commitment to football or the Jets.
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 27, 2018, 08:40:37 PM
Have any of you, at any point, watched any interviews with or stories about Darnold and thought to yourself "this guy seems really excited for the prospect of playing football for the Jets"? Maybe it's just his demeanour, and I know I have been playing up the bust thing for my own amusement, but I am yet to have any kind of warm feelings or excitement about this kid. He has the general aura of really not wanting to be where he is right now.
That said, Auston Matthews has the exact same vibe and he's doing OK. Still. I remain to be convinced that Darnold is happy about his situation, and this contract situation doesn't do anything to change that.
i think you're reading way too into what is likely his normal 'aura'/personality
the feeling i get is that all he wants to do is play football and he's not really interested in all of the hoopla of being a top QB pick, but he puts his head down and says all of the right things and all of the things he needs to say, because he genuinely is a good kid.
you have to be kind of a goober to want to be remembered as 'the nice one' or whatever he wrote as a kid
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2018, 09:27:39 PM
Have any of you, at any point, watched any interviews with or stories about Darnold and thought to yourself "this guy seems really excited for the prospect of playing football for the Jets"? Maybe it's just his demeanour, and I know I have been playing up the bust thing for my own amusement, but I am yet to have any kind of warm feelings or excitement about this kid. He has the general aura of really not wanting to be where he is right now.
That said, Auston Matthews has the exact same vibe and he's doing OK. Still. I remain to be convinced that Darnold is happy about his situation, and this contract situation doesn't do anything to change that.
You’re suggesting that if he was drafted by a different team his personality/attitude would be different? I understand what you’re getting at, but I think that’s just his demeanor.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2018, 09:29:25 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2018, 09:40:05 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-darnold-jets-holdout-mehta-20180727-story.html
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2018, 09:52:37 AM
You’re suggesting that if he was drafted by a different team his personality/attitude would be different? I understand what you’re getting at, but I think that’s just his demeanor.
I'm not sure if I think it's Jets related (although I'll bet he'd seem a lot more excited if he'd ended up in New England to succeed Brady) and you're almost certainly right about his demeanour, he just doesn't give the impression from what I've seen of being very interested in the whole thing. Again, neither does Auston Matthews and that's clearly not the case. I just don't have any warm and fuzzies about Darnold yet.
Post by: Laxin on July 28, 2018, 10:12:37 AM
Manish has been saying that this isn't Darnold's doing, and that it is Jimmy Sexton who is trying to break this offset language precedent in order to benefit himself down the line with rookie contract negotiations.
Usually I think next to nothing of Manish's opinions, but I'm starting to believe this narrative. Darnold has to quit deferring to his agent's opinions and just tell him to get the deal done regardless or he's going to find a new agent.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 28, 2018, 10:39:27 AM
Mike Garafolo on NFL Network made it sound like Darnold told his agent to get the deal done and that he wants to be in camp now.
Manish has been saying that this isn't Darnold's doing, and that it is Jimmy Sexton who is trying to break this offset language precedent in order to benefit himself down the line with rookie contract negotiations.
Usually I think next to nothing of Manish's opinions, but I'm starting to believe this narrative. Darnold has to quit deferring to his agent's opinions and just tell him to get the deal done regardless or he's going to find a new agent.
There's more of a financial benefit for Darnold and his agent with the offset thing than the Jets. There's stupidity on both sides. The Jets for fighting over what amounts to $750K, and Jimmy Sexton for putting his client at risk to advance his own agenda.
Hopefully this is true and he's in camp ASAP. A couple of days of missed camp isn't the end of the world, but no need to get more dug in on this whole thing. No one will remember any of this if he's on the field in a few days.
EDIT: Here's the video Laxin was talking about.
https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1023005265262604290
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2018, 11:22:26 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 28, 2018, 11:31:45 AM
The Jets aren’t giving in because it would set precedent for every other subsequent high first round draft pick to hold out for the same thing. They’re not in the wrong for not caving. This weasel is selfishly going after this clause so that he can use it as a resume booster for future clients. freak this guy
I think the Jets could argue in the future that the precedent is different for a QB vs. any other position player. His agent is a turd though. But nice agents don't win.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 28, 2018, 12:12:56 PM
It’s not like we need him to start immediately. It’d be nice to have him in camp already but it is what it is.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 28, 2018, 12:35:41 PM
But make no mistake this isn't about $1 million or so in a contract, it's a dick measuring contest.
In the end I think Darnold will have to step in and end it.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 28, 2018, 12:57:08 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 28, 2018, 02:29:33 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 28, 2018, 03:15:39 PM
According to Ian Rapoport, it's not about offsets, it's about guarantees and when they will void. That makes a lot more sense if true.
It’s still retarded in a slotted contract with 3 months to resolve for the biggest draft pick of a regime, definitely the last decade (ok ‘09) and quite possibly ever. Get this shot done.
Especially since the fastest way to become the highest paid player of all time (which he would be if he’s a top 5-10 QB in 4 years) is to get the starting job ASAP, easiest way to do that is to get every rep you can
Post by: dcm1602 on July 28, 2018, 04:41:10 PM
And if he can't play in preseason game one, then you don't wanna risk his health in game 4 with the backups (if he's in competition to be the day one starter) I think this severely hampers his opportunity to start week one
Post by: reuben on July 29, 2018, 03:10:44 PM
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ESPN's Rich Cimini reports the major issue between the Jets and Sam Darnold is a default language pertaining to guaranteed money in his contract.
Under the Jets' proposal, the entirety of Darnold's $30 million guarantee will void if he's fined by the league for discipline or conduct. In the case of rookies Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen, league discipline would merely result in a suspension, not a fine. Cimini cites that in the last 10 drafts, no top-3 pick had voidables tied to league fines. It would still be a surprise if Darnold is not under center when the season starts.
Good move, we need to reign in this loose cannon before his numerous DUI's threaten the stability of the team.
I think this might be getting ugly, it seems like both sides are starting to use the media to undermine each other. I really don't have a problem with Darnold coming in late because I'm actually pretty excited about Teddy Bridgewater, but the hand-wringing in the local press is going to get real tedious real fast.
Post by: Laxin on July 29, 2018, 03:11:43 PM
Post by: reuben on July 29, 2018, 03:13:52 PM
At what point do you hit the panic button? I have no doubt that he will eventually sign, but at what point do you think holding out genuinely has a detrimental effect on his ability to play this year?
Well if you're counting on Sam Darnold to make a deep playoff run in 2018 then you should have hit the panic button months ago when he didn't smile broadly enough on draft day.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2018, 03:55:23 PM
At what point do you hit the panic button? I have no doubt that he will eventually sign, but at what point do you think holding out genuinely has a detrimental effect on his ability to play this year?There's a button?
I don't think he was going to start week 1 anyway so a few days don't matter much to me.
Fighting over guarantee voids regarding fines and suspensions at least make a lot more sense than fighting over offsets.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2018, 03:58:37 PM
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(Part 1): Some specifics on the Sam Darnold impasse, per sources: The guarantee voids are tied to suspensions & tied to fines relating to PEDs/steroids & conduct detrimental to the team. So it's not as if Darnold would lose his $30M for wearing his socks too high.
(Part 2): #Jets are one of a handful of teams (about four others) that tie guarantee forfeitures to PED/steroid/conduct detrimental to the team fines as a means to void a guarantee. The same language exists in contracts for current CAA clients Darron Lee & Avery Williamson
(Part 3): Jimmy Sexton, who represents Avery Williamson, agreed to Jets guarantee-void structure when he brokered a deal for the linebacker this offseason. Darnold's contract contains same language.
This situation is about Sexton & CAA selling a win to Darnold...after they lost
(Part 4)
I'm told that Sam Darnold is pissed about this. (Or as pissed as a really good kid can get).
I don't believe that the Darnolds will allow this holdout to continue much longer.
And good for them.
(Part 5): Offsets were the real issue during the Darnold impasse. CAA was fuming (and expressed their annoyance) after Baker Mayfield agreed to the deal with offsets. They lost leverage for Darnold.
Everything from that point has been a red herring for Jimmy Sexton to save face
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2018, 04:29:52 PM
At least the Jets aren't hanging their hats on Darnold starting week 1 anyway.
Post by: reuben on July 29, 2018, 04:57:19 PM
Per Manish:
Everything from that point has been a red herring for Jimmy Sexton to save face
(https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/-/media/Images/SBD-Photos/2014/01/06/Jimmy-Sexton.ashx)
There's a lot to save.
Post by: Ornstein on July 29, 2018, 05:05:56 PM
Good move, we need to reign in this loose cannon before his numerous DUI's threaten the stability of the team.
I think this might be getting ugly, it seems like both sides are starting to use the media to undermine each other. I really don't have a problem with Darnold coming in late because I'm actually pretty excited about Teddy Bridgewater, but the hand-wringing in the local press is going to get real tedious real fast.
I think this season is just too perfect for Teddy Two-Gloves. I really think this team has the most potential for a playoff run if he starts all 16 games. If this kid was given a shot at redemption I really think he'd play his derriere off for us. I think it would be incredibly foolish to trade him at any point during the regular season, unless Darnold somehow wins the job and plays out of his mind. If he does well then you franchise him and trade him next off season.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2018, 05:36:10 PM
I think this season is just too perfect for Teddy Two-Gloves. I really think this team has the most potential for a playoff run if he starts all 16 games. If this kid was given a shot at redemption I really think he'd play his derriere off for us. I think it would be incredibly foolish to trade him at any point during the regular season, unless Darnold somehow wins the job and plays out of his mind. If he does well then you franchise him and trade him next off season.I don't think he can beat out McCown
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 29, 2018, 06:07:37 PM
Well if you're counting on Sam Darnold to make a deep playoff run in 2018 then you should have hit the panic button months ago when he didn't smile broadly enough on draft day.
Looool
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 29, 2018, 06:07:51 PM
(https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/-/media/Images/SBD-Photos/2014/01/06/Jimmy-Sexton.ashx)
There's a lot to save.
This freaking fat freak
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2018, 06:13:28 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 29, 2018, 06:51:54 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 29, 2018, 07:01:20 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 29, 2018, 08:02:47 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2018, 08:38:18 PM
At what point is it too late for Darnold to get extensive playing time in preseason game one? That's what I think ultimately ends up being the biggest issue of thisI think he could get quite a bit of mop up duty with very little camp time as long as he knows the play book. 2 things he can do away from camp: study the playbook and stay in shape. That's probably all he needs to get out there and run some basic plays.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 29, 2018, 09:27:28 PM
I think he could get quite a bit of mop up duty with very little camp time as long as he knows the play book. 2 things he can do away from camp: study the playbook and stay in shape. That's probably all he needs to get out there and run some basic plays.
If he doesnt know the plays the chances of getting hurt go up significantly especially as a rookie
And considering that McCown and Bridge wont get a ton of action its tremendously freaking up his chance to start early this season
Post by: Heismanberg on July 29, 2018, 09:30:41 PM
If he doesnt know the plays the chances of getting hurt go up significantly especially as a rookie
I'm sure he has his playbook with him even if he's not at practice.
What's hurting him the most is not being around his teammates. He is a true leader, but you can't lead if you are away from the team.
In order for a team to buy in to him starting over McCown, he has to be there and prove the job belongs to him.
Post by: Johnny English on July 29, 2018, 10:17:33 PM
I think this season is just too perfect for Teddy Two-Gloves. I really think this team has the most potential for a playoff run if he starts all 16 games. If this kid was given a shot at redemption I really think he'd play his derriere off for us. I think it would be incredibly foolish to trade him at any point during the regular season, unless Darnold somehow wins the job and plays out of his mind. If he does well then you franchise him and trade him next off season.
I think it's easy to conflate Teddy Bridgewater the really nice bloke with Teddy Bridgewater the kind of OK QB who is one tackle away from retired. Lots of people seem to be doing that.
Post by: Johnny English on July 29, 2018, 10:18:46 PM
At this point the agent is costing the kid a chance to compete for the starting job while not increasing the money he can get him. Terrible job.
The kid can at any point he chooses fire the agent or instruct the agent to make the deal.
None of this reflects well on Darnold.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 29, 2018, 10:35:45 PM
The kid can at any point he chooses fire the agent or instruct the agent to make the deal.
None of this reflects well on Darnold.
Why do you hate Sam Darnold so much?
Post by: Johnny English on July 29, 2018, 10:59:41 PM
Why do you hate Sam Darnold so much?I don't hate him. I'm just not seeing anything to suggest that he's the leader we need.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 29, 2018, 11:02:01 PM
I don't hate him. I'm just not seeing anything to suggest that he's the leader we need.
Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0acKY680IxM
Post by: Johnny English on July 29, 2018, 11:54:26 PM
Here you go:Uh...ok. So you think he's a slightly less impressive prospect than Mark Sanchez? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing in that video to excite me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0acKY680IxM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 30, 2018, 12:01:04 AM
Uh...ok. So you think he's a slightly less impressive prospect than Mark Sanchez? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing in that video to excite me.
A slightly less impressive prospect than Sanchez? What?
It was the biggest game of his life. The Rose Bowl. Nearly every college football fan in the world watching it and he led his team back with ice in his veins. It's one of most clutch performances in college football history.
You're criticizing his personality, making claims about him not wanting to play for the Jets because he isn't excited in interviews? What in the hell, man? It's just out there. I really don't get your opinion on this kid. I truly think you are reaching for reasons right now.
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2018, 09:01:27 AM
A slightly less impressive prospect than Sanchez? What?I was being a bit facetious, but look up Sanchez's stats in the 2009 Rose Bowl. Same number of TDs, but no picks. My point is that you can't pull out one game as evidence of his expected success in the NFL.
It was the biggest game of his life. The Rose Bowl. Nearly every college football fan in the world watching it and he led his team back with ice in his veins. It's one of most clutch performances in college football history.
You're criticizing his personality, making claims about him not wanting to play for the Jets because he isn't excited in interviews? What in the hell, man? It's just out there. I really don't get your opinion on this kid. I truly think you are reaching for reasons right now.
I'm not doubting Darnold's ability, I just haven't seen anything in his demeanour that makes me think he's going to become the leader of this team. That also doesn't mean I think he won't, only that as yet the jury is out for me. If you read some people on this and other boards, they're already preparing the bust in Canton.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2018, 09:06:17 AM
Hasn't Jimmy Sexton been a longtime problem for the Jets? Before even the Fitzpatrick deal, didn't he have other holdouts that went past ridiculous?
I hope Sam tells him to freak right off when all of this is done.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2018, 11:49:01 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2018, 11:51:06 AM
Rapsheet: Cooler heads prevailing? I’m told the #Jets and reps for QB Sam Darnold are currently working to find common ground on their language issue that would end his holdout and allow both side to feel comfortable. Maybe a light at the end of the tunnel.
"Cooler heads prevailing" = everyone is like WTF is wrong with all of you?!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2018, 11:51:12 AM
Post by: MBGreen on July 30, 2018, 11:55:48 AM
Get it done MaccThis.
Enough freaking around.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2018, 12:15:57 PM
He Has Risen
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2018, 12:17:41 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2018, 12:26:49 PM
Per schefter the deed is done, time to get this dude on the field
At least post the damn tweet then.
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Jets and QB Sam Darnold expected to reach agreement today he is expected at their building today, per source.
Darnold will sign a four-year, $30.25 million deal, including $20 million guaranteed.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2018, 12:28:34 PM
At least post the damn tweet then.
Old derriere phone in power saving mode . Typing and copy pasting is a chore
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2018, 12:35:29 PM
Old derriere phone in power saving mode . Typing and copy pasting is a chore
Get your priorities in order man. The people deserve to be informed and the only issue is that you’re too lazy and might deplete your precious battery a few percentage points? How much battery do you drain typing up one of your usual asinine posts? You’re on notice
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2018, 12:36:54 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2018, 12:39:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2018, 12:42:11 PM
Post by: delavan on July 30, 2018, 12:43:36 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Post by: MBGreen on July 30, 2018, 12:49:34 PM
Post by: Laxin on July 30, 2018, 12:50:31 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2018, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: @RapSheet
And now, done: The #Jets and No. 3 overall pick QB Sam Darnold have agreed to terms on his 4-year, $30.25M fully guaranteed contract, source said. It’s finally over.
So, in the end, they just fully guaranteed it anyway? If they were going to fully cave, why the freak wasn't this done last week?
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2018, 01:43:09 PM
Wait a minute...
So, in the end, they just fully guaranteed it anyway? If they were going to fully cave, why the freak wasn't this done last week?
Schefter says that $20M of it is guaranteed.
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2018, 01:46:58 PM
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Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN
Sam Darnold's contract does indeed include offset language, per source. Jets were not moving off that.
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2018, 01:48:34 PM
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Sam Darnold now officially has agreed in principle, per source. $30.25 million contract is fully guaranteed and includes a $20 million signing bonus.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2018, 02:11:50 PM
Wait a minute...It has to be fully guaranteed, that part wasn't up for debate.
So, in the end, they just fully guaranteed it anyway? If they were going to fully cave, why the freak wasn't this done last week?
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2018, 02:27:37 PM
It has to be fully guaranteed, that part wasn't up for debate.
Aren't offsets part of guarantees? How can you fully guarantee to pay a contract but have offsets that would let you off the hook?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2018, 02:31:36 PM
Aren't offsets part of guarantees? How can you fully guarantee to pay a contract but have offsets that would let you off the hook?It's fully guaranteed for the player. Darnold gets the full amount, it just doesn't guarantee which team's name is on the check. The offsets only affect who pays what part if he gets released. In other words, if we cut him year 4 and some team signs him for the league minimum, the Jets would pay his 4th year salary minus the league minimum salary that the other team pays. He still gets the same amount. It's guaranteed.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2018, 02:49:43 PM
It's fully guaranteed for the player. Darnold gets the full amount, it just doesn't guarantee which team's name is on the check. The offsets only affect who pays what part if he gets released. In other words, if we cut him year 4 and some team signs him for the league minimum, the Jets would pay his 4th year salary minus the league minimum salary that the other team pays. He still gets the same amount. It's guaranteed.
Ah, it's starting to make sense now. I've seen bits and pieces of things, but never really put it all together.
So he gets $30MM no matter what, but if he's been paid $25MM, gets cut then signed elsewhere for $2MM, if the offsets are there, the Jets deduct the $2MM from their remaining responsibility, leaving them on the hook for "just" $3MM. Without the offset, they'd owe him $5MM, so Darnold would get $7MM--for a total value of $32MM. (These aren't the actual numbers.)
Is that basically correct?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2018, 02:50:24 PM
Ah, it's starting to make sense now. I've seen bits and pieces of things, but never really put it all together.Yes
So he gets $30MM no matter what, but if he's been paid $25MM, gets cut then signed elsewhere for $2MM, if the offsets are there, the Jets deduct the $2MM from their remaining responsibility, leaving them on the hook for "just" $3MM. Without the offset, they'd owe him $5MM, so Darnold would get $7MM--for a total value of $32MM. (These aren't the actual numbers.)
Is that basically correct?
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2018, 02:51:40 PM
Yes
Thanks. Makes a lot more sense now. I probably should've taken a step back sooner to understand this weird excrement.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2018, 02:52:28 PM
Thanks. Makes a lot more sense now. I probably should've taken a step back sooner to understand this weird excrement.Hopefully none of it will matter.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2018, 02:53:07 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2018, 02:53:24 PM
Hopefully none of it will matter.
+1
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2018, 03:00:49 PM
Ah, it's starting to make sense now. I've seen bits and pieces of things, but never really put it all together.
So he gets $30MM no matter what, but if he's been paid $25MM, gets cut then signed elsewhere for $2MM, if the offsets are there, the Jets deduct the $2MM from their remaining responsibility, leaving them on the hook for "just" $3MM. Without the offset, they'd owe him $5MM, so Darnold would get $7MM--for a total value of $32MM. (These aren't the actual numbers.)
Is that basically correct?
What's more, he's getting $20M as a signing bonus so his annual salary is basically $3M a year, making the offsets more a matter of principle than anything of any significant material value (in NFL terms).
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 30, 2018, 03:03:44 PM
Let's rock.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 30, 2018, 03:10:14 PM
What's more, he's getting $20M as a signing bonus so his annual salary is basically $3M a year, making the offsets more a matter of principle than anything of any significant material value (in NFL terms).
So more piling on of the stupid when the kid could've been taking snaps the past few days.
Unless maybe the organization really dislikes Sexton, which wouldn't surprise me. I wish I could remember who he dicked the Jets around with prior to Fitz.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2018, 03:14:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2018, 05:08:42 PM
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini
On his first pass in team drills, Sam Darnold throws a pick. Tipped by CB Derrick Jones and intercepted by S Doug Middleton. One player yells out, “Welcome back.” #Jets
Bust
Post by: Libero_2 on July 30, 2018, 05:30:55 PM
Bust
Speed of the game issues. Wonder who he was throwing to
Post by: Heismanberg on July 30, 2018, 06:24:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2018, 06:59:29 PM
Get your priorities in order man. The people deserve to be informed and the only issue is that you’re too lazy and might deplete your precious battery a few percentage points? How much battery do you drain typing up one of your usual asinine posts? You’re on notice
Put it this way, if I restart my phone that uses 10-12% of my battery.
freaking 3 year old phone feels ancient
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2018, 07:02:27 PM
What's more, he's getting $20M as a signing bonus so his annual salary is basically $3M a year, making the offsets more a matter of principle than anything of any significant material value (in NFL terms).
Are you sure signing bonuses aren't included in offsets? I thought there was a scenario with Denver and or possibly Tim Tebow where offsets were a factor and signing bonus was a factor
Post by: Johnny English on July 30, 2018, 07:22:48 PM
Are you sure signing bonuses aren't included in offsets? I thought there was a scenario with Denver and or possibly Tim Tebow where offsets were a factor and signing bonus was a factor
I don't see how they could be, signing bonuses are paid up front and then amortised for cap purposes over the life of the contract. If we cut him in three years' time there's no signing bonus to be carried over to his new team, it's already been paid.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 30, 2018, 07:28:50 PM
I don't see how they could be, signing bonuses are paid up front and then amortised for cap purposes over the life of the contract. If we cut him in three years' time there's no signing bonus to be carried over to his new team, it's already been paid.
No but the new team can effectively reimburse the old team shifting the cap burden from one team to the other.
I could've sworn this came up recently
But I'm not confident enough in that answer to argue much further
Post by: Libero_2 on July 30, 2018, 07:56:06 PM
Derrick Jones has been all over the place
I have seen his name quite a bit so far. that's for sure.
Never a bad thing for a redshirt year late round pick kid to start flashing early in camp
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2018, 08:34:13 PM
Put it this way, if I restart my phone that uses 10-12% of my battery..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180731/e92698552bbfdd5ed4b12b518421b145.gif)
freaking 3 year old phone feels ancient
Post by: bojanglesman on August 01, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
I think he's going to be the guy that you may not love in the first quarter of a game, but you'll love handing him the ball in the 4th with the game on the line. He really is an athlete that happens to play QB. He doesn't have that deer in the headlights look from most young QBs. He seems to have the mentality of a veteran QB.
I'm still freaking stoked that the Jets drafted this guy. I'm also stoked that the Jets have THREE QBs that I'd be fine with throwing out there to start. Trying to contain my boner for the 2018 season. Even if we finish 8-8 or something similar, the thought of potentially having our starting quarterback for the next 10 to 15 years is exciting.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 01, 2018, 07:19:05 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 01, 2018, 07:21:31 PM
Year 2: build the OLine, find Darnold a #1 WR, get pass rushers. The Carson Wentz/Jared Goff sophomore year special. They both took giant leaps toward in year 2 after struggling in year 1.Are you suggesting that Chad Hansen isn't going to lead the league in receiving in 2019?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 01, 2018, 07:36:20 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 01, 2018, 07:45:23 PM
We're going to have $80 million in cap space next offseason to build on what's already a really solid foundation. It's an exciting time to be a Jets fan.Can we get a punt returner for $80 million a year?!?! Please?!?
Post by: Libero_2 on August 01, 2018, 07:49:57 PM
We're going to have $80 million in cap space next offseason to build on what's already a really solid foundation. It's an exciting time to be a Jets fan.
Some chatter after the Stefon Diggs deal that Barr will hit the market. With how Gruden is playing this with Khalil Mack he might shake free as well. Honestly would anybody be upset if spent 30 million of that space on Mack and Barr? Talk about completing the defense...
And still have $50 million left to pay Leonard Williams, find some OL depth and hopefully a TE.
Post by: reuben on August 02, 2018, 12:23:46 AM
Year 2: build the OLine, find Darnold a #1 WR, get pass rushers.
That's a tall order for one off-season.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 02, 2018, 08:12:11 AM
That's a tall order for one off-season.
freak the wideouts get this man an offensive line . I don't want to see this dude ductaped together like Andrew luck
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2018, 08:22:17 AM
That's a tall order for one off-season.
written in order. Plenty of money for some OLine signings, and can still spend high picks on WR or OLB. Of course we’ll probably just add some safeties and DL
Post by: Johnny English on August 02, 2018, 08:33:59 AM
Plenty of money for some OLine signings
O line is probably the hardest position to fill in FA, no one lets good linemen in their prime walk - the cost:value ratio of an OL is probably the best of any position on the field. I don't think there's any way to build a great line except through the draft, and we have to commit time and effort to that as a process.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 02, 2018, 08:36:34 AM
written in order. Plenty of money for some OLine signings, and can still spend high picks on WR or OLB. Of course we’ll probably just add some safeties and DL
Primo left tackles and pass rushers rarely come onto the market at all. I think we'll be relegated to signing a mid-range one like and hope he's solid (like Beechum) or drafting one and getting lucky.
If a K. Mack-type rusher comes available, throw all the moneys at them.
EDIT: What JE said.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 02, 2018, 08:58:58 AM
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In a classic case of rookie hazing, Darnold was asked to sing in front of the team. He belted out "A Thousand Miles" by Vanessa Carlton.
"Great song," Darnold said after Wednesday's practice.
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"He sang and it didn't bother him at all," wide receiver Terrelle Pryor said. "That's the type of guy he is. He's just even keeled. Nothing bothers him. He's a water-off-a-duck's-back type of guy. We've got something special here."
Gay......trade him for a 7th rounder.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2018, 09:10:51 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 02, 2018, 09:21:01 AM
James Carpenter, Ben Ijalana, Travis Swanson, Dakota Dozier, Jonotthan Harrison are FAs after this season. We’ll probably have to sign some guys and draft some guys. Either way, build the Oline is priority #1. Spend money on a starting OG and draft the LT of the future with a premium pick.
The entire starting offensive line this year could be gone next year with only $2.2 million in dead money.
Beechum has $1.5 million in dead money in 2019. Shell has $750 K. Long and Winters have no guarantees next year. Carpenter's contract ends this year.
Highly doubtful that it happens, but there's wiggle room to clear house on the o-line if they wanted to. Barring injury or deteriorated play, I suspect they will keep all but Carpenter next year. If he has a good year they could choose to re-sign him if it works out. Obviously there's a season to be played, but the line could look identical or completely different in 2019 with little financial effort.
The Jets should keep Beechum in 2019. Solid LTs are hard to find. He isn't elite or anything but he's good.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 02, 2018, 09:32:10 AM
Post by: Coach K on August 02, 2018, 09:32:45 AM
If Oak doesnt retain him, you run him over with a Brinks truck
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2018, 09:35:01 AM
I'm also really excited to see a healthy Pryor. To me, the only thing standing in the way of him being a very good receiver is health. And if Anderson can get his head on straight, that's a nice 1-2 on the outside. Then there's Kearse. I'm discounting Enunwa until he can prove himself healthy.
I think Darnold has some weapons to be successful already. Honestly, my biggest concern is the ground game being good enough to support the passing attack.
Post by: Johnny English on August 02, 2018, 10:26:39 AM
I'm also really excited to see a healthy Pryor. To me, the only thing standing in the way of him being a very good receiver is health.
I have no idea why you think that. He has the physical attributes, but lots of guys are tall and fast. His hands are to say the least a question. I think it's a huge gamble; a perfectly reasonable one of us to take, but a gamble all the same.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2018, 10:58:41 AM
I have no idea why you think that. He has the physical attributes, but lots of guys are tall and fast. His hands are to say the least a question. I think it's a huge gamble; a perfectly reasonable one of us to take, but a gamble all the same.
He's just an injury year removed from a 1,000 season. Sure, it's one thing to have physical gifts, and another to prove you can use them. But he's done that before.
Also, in reference to his hands:
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1024741733941305344 (https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1024741733941305344)
Could he suck and be a waste of a roster spot? Sure. But he's not exactly holding back the next Jerry Rice. I don't see it as any sort of gamble. He's no-risk, high-potential-reward. It's a one-year $4.5MM deal, so if he doesn't work out, we just move on.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2018, 11:01:22 AM
Again, this doesn't make him automatic, and certainly any return from a major injury is unpredictable, but I feel good about him as long as he's healthy.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 02, 2018, 11:11:41 AM
Assuming Enunwa is healthy, the Jets have a lot of WRs to get on the field. I doubt anyone is breaking 1000 yards this year. Hansen, Enunwa, and Pryor will be taking a chunk of the pie this year and we still didn't have a 1000 yard receiver without them on the field last year (Hansen didn't do enough to count). We'll probably have a bunch of 500 yard WRs and 1 pushing 800-900 yards.
Post by: Johnny English on August 02, 2018, 11:12:07 AM
He's just an injury year removed from a 1,000 season. Sure, it's one thing to have physical gifts, and another to prove you can use them. But he's done that before.
Also, in reference to his hands:
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1024741733941305344 (https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1024741733941305344)
Could he suck and be a waste of a roster spot? Sure. But he's not exactly holding back the next Jerry Rice. I don't see it as any sort of gamble. He's no-risk, high-potential-reward. It's a one-year $4.5MM deal, so if he doesn't work out, we just move on.
Hence why I say it's a perfectly reasonable gamble. I just think there's an awful lot more than his health that could cause it to not work out.
Also, I'm not sure why you think an ability to catch passes from jugs machine while standing still is remotely analogous to his ability to catch a ball mid stride 15 yards downfield with a DB draped all over him. Did you see him play at all for Washington last season? He was crap. Seeing as you like stats, did you also notice that if he'd played 36 games (not a typo) at last year's rate he still wouldn't have broken 1000 yards? And it's not like he was giving up all his receptions to some kind of beast receiver corps, unless you think that Jamison Crowder and Josh Doctson are anything special.
Pryor might turn out to be OK, but if I had to bet money on it I'd go with not.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 02, 2018, 11:23:50 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 02, 2018, 11:25:59 AM
Honestly, my biggest concern is the ground game being good enough to support the passing attack.
Isaiah Crowell could have a career year here. Bates is going to feed him the ball early and often.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2018, 11:36:44 AM
Hence why I say it's a perfectly reasonable gamble. I just think there's an awful lot more than his health that could cause it to not work out.
Also, I'm not sure why you think an ability to catch passes from jugs machine while standing still is remotely analogous to his ability to catch a ball mid stride 15 yards downfield with a DB draped all over him. Did you see him play at all for Washington last season? He was crap. Seeing as you like stats, did you also notice that if he'd played 36 games (not a typo) at last year's rate he still wouldn't have broken 1000 yards? And it's not like he was giving up all his receptions to some kind of beast receiver corps, unless you think that Jamison Crowder and Josh Doctson are anything special.
Pryor might turn out to be OK, but if I had to bet money on it I'd go with not.
He was hurt in week 3 and continued to play. That's critical to my point--he played hurt so his performance suffered.
You can make the point about having not excelled over other guys last year, but then you also can't discount that he was a thousand yard receiver on the Cleveland Browns.
A healthy Terrelle Pryor gives this team another deep threat across from Robby Anderson.
Shhh, don't tell JE.
Isaiah Crowell could have a career year here. Bates is going to feed him the ball early and often.
I hope so. Hopefully, McGuire rebounds quickly. I'm a bigger Powell supporter than you, but this team needs the young RBs to carry the load.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 02, 2018, 12:49:04 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 02, 2018, 12:55:32 PM
Crowell is 25; Powell is 29 and Eli is 24.
I hope Crowell gets fed the ball a lot.
I hope Eli rebounds from his injury.
29 is not young for an RB.
This all fits with:
I hope so. Hopefully, McGuire rebounds quickly. I'm a bigger Powell supporter than you, but this team needs the young RBs to carry the load.
Post by: Coach K on August 03, 2018, 10:16:47 AM
Isaiah Crowell could have a career year here. Bates is going to feed him the ball early and often.
i keep telling people i talk to that Crowell is a slightly more dynamic Chris Ivory and he was underrated in CLE. He can get 1000 yards in his sleep if the OL is at least servicable
Post by: reuben on August 03, 2018, 12:14:47 PM
29 is not young for an RB.
For a feature back who touches the ball 300-400 times a season, it's just about over-the-hill. For a committee back like Powell, <200 touches a year? I'd say 29 is his prime. I could be wrong but I don't think he's played his best season yet.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 03, 2018, 12:37:52 PM
For a feature back who touches the ball 300-400 times a season, it's just about over-the-hill. For a committee back like Powell, <200 touches a year? I'd say 29 is his prime. I could be wrong but I don't think he's played his best season yet.
To be clear, I'm not writing off Powell as a disposable player, I'm just saying I want Crowell and McGuire to carry the majority of the ground load.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 06, 2018, 11:29:14 AM
Soon
Post by: Jumbo on August 06, 2018, 03:40:43 PM
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Sam Darnold just came to the line, read defense, and started shouting to change the play. Why? He read blitz. Audibled to a screen. Jets picked up 30-plus. Lucky Whitehead was running with blockers in front when coaches blew whistle. Wow. #Jets
Post by: MoreCharacters on August 06, 2018, 03:53:52 PM
he made 2 whole tweets talking about darnold making a checkdown in the flat
Post by: MoreCharacters on August 06, 2018, 03:55:34 PM
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Most impressive throw I’ve seen from Darnold all camp. Talk about maturation & read progression. Rookies don’t do this:
Took snap & looked at Hansen on quick slant. Covered. Looked middle to TE. Covered. Looked all way right ... found Cannon wide open in flat. Touchdown
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The dude is a rookie & he just went through three reads without batting an eye before finding his guy for touchdown. He’s been at camp a week.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 06, 2018, 05:08:48 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 06, 2018, 05:29:21 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 06, 2018, 05:30:26 PM
I need him to smile more.Britain has high standards.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 06, 2018, 09:18:46 PM
I need him to smile more.
I dont give a excrement if the dudes got Belichicks personality if he can ball
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 06, 2018, 10:56:06 PM
I need him to smile more.
You know who smiled a lot? Bryce Petty
Post by: Johnny English on August 06, 2018, 11:12:14 PM
You know who smiled a lot? Bryce PettyYeah but we never really gave him a chance.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 07, 2018, 10:49:17 AM
Britain has high standards.
Yeah but he has American teeth.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 07, 2018, 04:07:23 PM
I need him to smile more.
get your excrement together JE
i'm fuggin serious bro
Post by: Johnny English on August 07, 2018, 04:21:49 PM
get your excrement together JECome fite me at tailgate bro
i'm fuggin serious bro
Post by: bojanglesman on August 07, 2018, 04:28:16 PM
Come fite me at tailgate bro.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180807/1d6e66ad0c4b825922f5e0264cc507eb.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on August 07, 2018, 04:29:22 PM
.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180807/1d6e66ad0c4b825922f5e0264cc507eb.jpg)Never fight a ginger, their lack of a soul makes them dangerous opponents.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 08, 2018, 08:09:34 AM
Manish has a Darnold boner.
As much as I can't see it, it sure does seem like Darnold is the favorite to start week one, even though Bowles keeps saying he's the number 3 guy. I know that's really just a "right now" statement to say that it isn't just going to be handed to him.
Darnold doesn't have to wow anyone in the preseason. I think if Darnold plays in the preseason and just looks like he belongs in the NFL and can move the offense, it's his job week 1. I don't think he's the best QB on the team right now, but that isn't the point. Darnold has shown that he's able to dust off a bad play and not melt down. He'll make some bad plays early on, but he's a guy that's only going to develop while on the field. I don't think having him watch someone else play is going to help him. He's not like Hackenberg where throwing him in there was going to be overwhelming. Darnold needs to get in there and get dirty. He's not going to hang his head and excrement his pants if he throws a bad pick.
With Darnold this year, the expectation shouldn't be for him to look like a top 10 QB. This year he needs to just show he belongs in the NFL and can keep his head above water.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 08, 2018, 10:25:16 AM
Post by: Laxin on August 08, 2018, 11:51:23 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-sam-darnold-jets-starter-mehta-20180807-story.html
Manish has a Darnold boner.
As much as I can't see it, it sure does seem like Darnold is the favorite to start week one, even though Bowles keeps saying he's the number 3 guy. I know that's really just a "right now" statement to say that it isn't just going to be handed to him.
Darnold doesn't have to wow anyone in the preseason. I think if Darnold plays in the preseason and just looks like he belongs in the NFL and can move the offense, it's his job week 1. I don't think he's the best QB on the team right now, but that isn't the point. Darnold has shown that he's able to dust off a bad play and not melt down. He'll make some bad plays early on, but he's a guy that's only going to develop while on the field. I don't think having him watch someone else play is going to help him. He's not like Hackenberg where throwing him in there was going to be overwhelming. Darnold needs to get in there and get dirty. He's not going to hang his head and excrement his pants if he throws a bad pick.
With Darnold this year, the expectation shouldn't be for him to look like a top 10 QB. This year he needs to just show he belongs in the NFL and can keep his head above water.
I actually fully agree with his whole premise about patience and playing and the misguided idea of him developing on the bench. IMO as long as he proves he's not incapable of playing in the NFL, he should be the starter. During the season, Bowles' only job is to prepare the team to win. With the way practice is structure, backup QBs get almost no reps and I can't see him developing much between week 1 and week 9.
There are really only two scenarios where I don't think Darnold should start- he looks overwhelmed in the preseason, or the offensive line is just so bad, that we would run the risk of David Carr'ing him.
It's nice to at least see Manish lost his quest for blood, but at this point, having a Darngasm is probably best for clicks anyways.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 08, 2018, 11:58:09 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 08, 2018, 10:11:52 PM
The only thing that stands in the way of him being the week 1 starter is the line. If it looks like excrement in preseason, I'd rather he sit for a while and let either McCown or Bridgewater take the lumps. Other than that, like was said above, there's nothing to gain by not playing him and giving him those vital reps.
I think Bridgewater could get in his way as well. McCown is what he is, but Bridgewater was a young promising QB who has a lot of good football.
If the Jets think they have something in him, and Darnold isn't lights out. I think you gotta let the man play. Worst case scenario is Bridgewater sucks or gets hurt, best case scenario is we find ourselves with two QBs with significant value and have to figure out wtf to do.
The question is is it feasible for Bridge to play good enough to earn the franchise tag, because that would be a hell of a freaking scenario
Post by: Laxin on August 08, 2018, 11:43:47 PM
I think Bridgewater could get in his way as well. McCown is what he is, but Bridgewater was a young promising QB who has a lot of good football.
If the Jets think they have something in him, and Darnold isn't lights out. I think you gotta let the man play. Worst case scenario is Bridgewater sucks or gets hurt, best case scenario is we find ourselves with two QBs with significant value and have to figure out wtf to do.
The question is is it feasible for Bridge to play good enough to earn the franchise tag, because that would be a hell of a freaking scenario
Bridgewater doesn't really have a place with this team. I'd be surprised if he's still a Jet entering the season.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 09, 2018, 10:50:46 AM
I think Bridgewater could get in his way as well. McCown is what he is, but Bridgewater was a young promising QB who has a lot of good football.
If the Jets think they have something in him, and Darnold isn't lights out. I think you gotta let the man play. Worst case scenario is Bridgewater sucks or gets hurt, best case scenario is we find ourselves with two QBs with significant value and have to figure out wtf to do.
The question is is it feasible for Bridge to play good enough to earn the franchise tag, because that would be a hell of a freaking scenario
Bridgewater wants to start. And if he has fully recovered, he deserves a shot somewhere.
Sam Darnold is the future of the franchise. Again, the situations in which he doesn't play are 1) he's awful in preseason play and/or 2) the offensive line is hot garbage.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 09, 2018, 10:57:44 AM
Bridgewater wants to start. And if he has fully recovered, he deserves a shot somewhere.
Sam Darnold is the future of the franchise. Again, the situations in which he doesn't play are 1) he's awful in preseason play and/or 2) the offensive line is hot garbage.
The jets haven't had a good stable qb in forever .if Bridgewater is playing at a high level and healthy do you really trade him for peanuts (at most a 3rd) at the end of the preseason? Or do you just let him fly as the starter and see how it goes . Obviously darnold is the qb of the future no question, but if bridge plays well enough we could easily be talking about tagging him and trading him for at least a first rounder. I think keeping him is a gamble, but if he's the best qb it's a gamble that could pay dividends
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 09, 2018, 11:13:48 AM
The jets haven't had a good stable qb in forever .if Bridgewater is playing at a high level and healthy do you really trade him for peanuts (at most a 3rd) at the end of the preseason? Or do you just let him fly as the starter and see how it goes . Obviously darnold is the qb of the future no question, but if bridge plays well enough we could easily be talking about tagging him and trading him for at least a first rounder. I think keeping him is a gamble, but if he's the best qb it's a gamble that could pay dividends
I'd happily keep Bridgewater as the backup, but he wants to play, and I'm not putting him in ahead of the guy I moved up to draft as the future of my franchise unless he's not ready and/or his protection will get him hurt.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 09, 2018, 01:55:37 PM
I'd happily keep Bridgewater as the backup, but he wants to play, and I'm not putting him in ahead of the guy I moved up to draft as the future of my franchise unless he's not ready and/or his protection will get him hurt.
It's not about keeping him long term . It's about if he looks like the best qb by a decent margin then you start him and gamble on him having a great year , making us competitive to win and having the opportunity to tag and trade him for a bounty of riches if he plays that good .
Long term isn't on the table
Post by: Laxin on August 09, 2018, 02:05:33 PM
It's not about keeping him long term . It's about if he looks like the best qb by a decent margin then you start him and gamble on him having a great year , making us competitive to win and having the opportunity to tag and trade him for a bounty of riches if he plays that good .
Long term isn't on the table
Long term is really the only concern this year. And I honestly just don't see him being the best QB by a wide margin- not even close. He very well may be the worst option of the 3. He was a decent starter when he played, that's really it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 09, 2018, 02:16:39 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 09, 2018, 02:33:45 PM
Seems to me Bridgewater could be the perfect guy to have here with Darnold if he can stay healthy and be productive. He has experience, can win a few games but hopefully not have to play a lot once Darnold gets going. McCown probably won't be here after this year, if we're going to be a good team we'll want to have a quality backup, why not Bridgewater?
Bridgewater is still 25 years old. He wants and deserves a shot at being a starter. He isn't Geno Smith and isn't going to want to be buried behind someone else. This year is about getting his legs back under him. Who knows if he will be anything decent as a starter, but he isn't going to want to stay a backup.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 09, 2018, 03:20:11 PM
Long term is really the only concern this year. And I honestly just don't see him being the best QB by a wide margin- not even close. He very well may be the worst option of the 3. He was a decent starter when he played, that's really it.
Well if he's not the best by a long margin it's a moot point. Because in that scenario we all agree it's the Darnold show.
But Bridgewater has been impressing so far, and he's got 4 weeks to light it up
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 09, 2018, 03:21:26 PM
Again, this regime drafted Darnold. Teddy B was the consolation prize for missing out on Cousins, and in case they got completely screwed in the draft.
Darnold should start sooner than later, again, barring utterly awful play or the OL looking like revolving doors. There is nothing to gain by not having him play.
Post by: MBGreen on August 09, 2018, 03:26:36 PM
This is an excellent problem to have.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 09, 2018, 03:47:59 PM
Bridgewater is still 25 years old. He wants and deserves a shot at being a starter. He isn't Geno Smith and isn't going to want to be buried behind someone else. This year is about getting his legs back under him. Who knows if he will be anything decent as a starter, but he isn't going to want to stay a backup.
He has to prove first he's more than a backup and he can stay on the field. As much as we all want Darnold to step in right away and never come out, he has to establish himself before we start sending a good QB out of town. Between the two I just want someone to be able to start winning some games, and I think both guys can give each other an opportunity based on their current situations. If we end up with two guys who prove they should start, fine, then move Bridgewater. Until then, no.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 09, 2018, 04:03:35 PM
Yeah, the key is that he has no desire to be a backup. And even if he plays significantly better than Darnold this preseason, unless Darnold's performance is awful, it makes no sense at all to start Bridgewater.
Again, this regime drafted Darnold. Teddy B was the consolation prize for missing out on Cousins, and in case they got completely screwed in the draft.
Darnold should start sooner than later, again, barring utterly awful play or the OL looking like revolving doors. There is nothing to gain by not having him play.
Yes Darnold should start sooner than later.
But you're wrong when you say there's nothing to gain.
First, if Bridge is that much better, he gives us a chance to compete which is the point of the freaking game. Once either he bombs or were out of contention that's a different story.
Second if Bridge plays very well, the option of tagging and trading him suddenly becomes viable. Yes he would have to play at a high freaking level, but we would have a LOT to gain from that. Recouping a chunk of what we gave up for Darnold and getting him ammunition to have a good team around him would be huge.
Now yes the chances of Bridgewater being good enough to tag are fairly slim as he would have to play at close to a top 10-15 level for that to work out and stay healthy.
But if the dudes lightning it up at camp and preseason, and Darnold has a lot of learning to do, there's nothing wrong with letting him start the season and play it by week.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 09, 2018, 08:37:49 PM
that being said, i think it comes down to the O-line. it doesn't even matter if he is ready or not. it is down to whether we think the O-line is adequate enough to protect him, keep him healthy, let him play, etc. i get that if he's ready, there's no benefit to sitting him to start the season. however, if our o-line isn't ready, then there's no benefit of playing him either, as we're likely going nowhere if our o-line is shitty. there's no point in needlessly throwing him out under those conditions even if he's capable of starting from day 1
we're still gelling and coming together as a team, and we likely aren't going to accomplish anything super this year. there should be no rush
Post by: bojanglesman on August 09, 2018, 09:42:56 PM
If you wait on Darnold because of the o-line, Darnold will never play.
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Post by: Heismanberg on August 10, 2018, 01:36:20 AM
I don't get why you love Beachum so much. He's far from the best player on our OL.
Probably because he plays left tackle and he's decent at it.
Bates is smart enough to scheme around mediocre pass protection, but if we can't run the football, it's going to be tough on whoever our quarterback is. Long, Carpenter, and Winters better step it up.
I'm more concerned about running back than offensive line though. We all know it's a position with limited shelf life.
If Crowell gets injured, we are actually fucked. We have zero power running options if Crowell goes down. Thomas Rawls is laying a gigantic egg in camp. I've never been the biggest Bilal Powell fan, but he's a serviceable change of pace back. McGuire can become that kind of player as well...but who picks up the tough yards if Crowell gets dinged up?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2018, 06:27:48 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 10, 2018, 08:34:44 AM
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Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2018, 08:51:22 AM
The sooner Darnold plays well as a starter, the longer the Jets can have to pay their starting QB $5-6 million instead of $25 million per year. They can use that $20 million to get better elsewhere and make run early on.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 10, 2018, 10:04:02 AM
Another reason to start Darnold sooner: leveraging the cheap rookie QB contract to spend at other positions.
The sooner Darnold plays well as a starter, the longer the Jets can have to pay their starting QB $5-6 million instead of $25 million per year. They can use that $20 million to get better elsewhere and make run early on.
Good point. Redshirting him stunts his growth. The sooner he plays, the sooner he acclimates to the pro game and is ready when the roster is rounded out.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 10, 2018, 10:10:50 AM
Redshirting him stunts his growth.
Does it really?
If he isn't ready to play and you throw him out there, it can do more harm than good.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 10, 2018, 10:32:56 AM
Does it really?
If he isn't ready to play and you throw him out there, it can do more harm than good.
Absolutely. I've been pretty vocal that the two factors I consider roadblocks to his starting this year are his preseason performance and OLine play. If he stinks in August, he shouldn't play in September.
Post by: insanity on August 10, 2018, 12:07:50 PM
Absolutely. I've been pretty vocal that the two factors I consider roadblocks to his starting this year are his preseason performance and OLine play. If he stinks in August, he shouldn't play in September.
So if he is good he should play
If he's bad he shouldn't play...
Got it
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 10, 2018, 12:24:49 PM
So if he is good he should play
If he's bad he shouldn't play...
Got it
Are you even attempting to follow the conversation, or solely interested in snark?
To summarize, if it's a situation in September where Darnold looks reasonably comfortable and competent, it shouldn't matter how McCown or Bridgewater are playing, Darnold should be the starter. The only way that shouldn't be true is if the offensive line looks like it'll get him killed.
He doesn't have to be "good" to play. He has to not suck, and so does the line (and adding on Heismanberg's assertion that if the running game can't generate anything it's a problem too).
Post by: dcm1602 on August 10, 2018, 12:35:33 PM
Another reason to start Darnold sooner: leveraging the cheap rookie QB contract to spend at other positions.
The sooner Darnold plays well as a starter, the longer the Jets can have to pay their starting QB $5-6 million instead of $25 million per year. They can use that $20 million to get better elsewhere and make run early on.
This makes no sense.
We can only save Bridgewaters money this year, and no matter when Darnold starts he's the starter next year, and we're paying a backup QB to be a backup.
Post by: insanity on August 10, 2018, 01:04:53 PM
Are you even attempting to follow the conversation, or solely interested in snark?
To summarize, if it's a situation in September where Darnold looks reasonably comfortable and competent, it shouldn't matter how McCown or Bridgewater are playing, Darnold should be the starter. The only way that shouldn't be true is if the offensive line looks like it'll get him killed.
He doesn't have to be "good" to play. He has to not suck, and so does the line (and adding on Heismanberg's assertion that if the running game can't generate anything it's a problem too).
Dokey interested in snark
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 10, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
Dokey interested in snark
I guess Okey then.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2018, 02:06:44 PM
This makes no sense.The sooner Darnold starts, the sooner he gets the kinks out. If he sits this year, he has to do all that next year. It would be much better to have Darnold in his second year of starting in 2019 instead of his 1st year starting. The Jets have a much better shot at the playoffs next year if Darnold is in his second year of starting. Nothing replaces action on the field.
We can only save Bridgewaters money this year, and no matter when Darnold starts he's the starter next year, and we're paying a backup QB to be a backup.
If he isn't ready, don't play him. But if he's close to the other 2, go for it.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 10, 2018, 02:18:39 PM
The sooner Darnold starts, the sooner he gets the kinks out. If he sits this year, he has to do all that next year. It would be much better to have Darnold in his second year of starting in 2019 instead of his 1st year starting. The Jets have a much better shot at the playoffs next year if Darnold is in his second year of starting. Nothing replaces action on the field.
If he isn't ready, don't play him. But if he's close to the other 2, go for it.
I agree that he's better next year the more he plays this year.
But he's the guaranteed day one starter for the following season, barring something catastrophic.
Will he be better yes. Will we save money absolutely not.
If Darnold isn't starting the following year for any reason other than health/injury this team deserves a massive purge. Unless Bridgwater ends up being an all pro QB this year which isn't particularly likely either
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
I agree that he's better next year the more he plays this year.If Darnold starts this year, then we have 3 years on a rookie deal to compete for the playoffs realistically. Not this year.
But he's the guaranteed day one starter for the following season, barring something catastrophic.
Will he be better yes. Will we save money absolutely not.
If Darnold isn't starting the following year for any reason other than health/injury this team deserves a massive purge. Unless Bridgwater ends up being an all pro QB this year which isn't particularly likely either
If he sits this year, then it's going to be harder for him to compete for the playoffs next year because he's essentially a rookie.
That leaves 2 years.
I'm oversimplifying it, but the point is he isn't likely to make a deep run at the playoffs in his first year. If you get that struggle year over with now, it leaves more years to really compete cheaply.
Bottom line, each year he doesn't start is a wasted year. But playing him before he's ready is worse than a wasted year.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 10, 2018, 04:32:40 PM
If Darnold starts this year, then we have 3 years on a rookie deal to compete for the playoffs realistically. Not this year.
If he sits this year, then it's going to be harder for him to compete for the playoffs next year because he's essentially a rookie.
That leaves 2 years.
I'm oversimplifying it, but the point is he isn't likely to make a deep run at the playoffs in his first year. If you get that struggle year over with now, it leaves more years to really compete cheaply.
Bottom line, each year he doesn't start is a wasted year. But playing him before he's ready is worse than a wasted year.
The only way Darnold doesn't play this year is if Bridgewater or McCown plays lights out football keeping us in playoff contention
And I'm okay with that scenario
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2018, 04:41:16 PM
The only way Darnold doesn't play this year is if Bridgewater or McCown plays lights out football keeping us in playoff contentionI agree with that. Depends on how much Darnold plays. A couple of games at the end of the season isn't enough to matter.
And I'm okay with that scenario
Post by: dcm1602 on August 10, 2018, 04:56:41 PM
I agree with that. Depends on how much Darnold plays. A couple of games at the end of the season isn't enough to matter.
Sure it is
4 to 6 games at the end of the season is quite substantial.
2 games, not so much
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2018, 04:58:33 PM
Sure it isA couple is 2.
4 to 6 games at the end of the season is quite substantial.
2 games, not so much
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2018, 05:14:48 PM
Post by: Laxin on August 10, 2018, 10:08:02 PM
A couple is 2.
It doesn't mean 4 to 6? Since when?
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2018, 12:11:30 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2018, 03:55:15 PM
Solid breakdown
Post by: bojanglesman on August 11, 2018, 04:15:33 PM
https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1028352887984934913Nice. I didn't notice him protecting the ball from the pass rusher there or that play where he passed up the short pass for Walford down the field.
Solid breakdown
I still think that last pass, throwing accurately, on the run, across his body was the most impressive pass of the night.
He's going to freak up some along the way, but you can see it all there, from day 1 at barely 21 years old.
Post by: reuben on August 11, 2018, 05:27:42 PM
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Jesus those are some cringe-y headlines.
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2018, 10:16:00 PM
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Post by: Italian Seafood on August 12, 2018, 08:30:56 AM
Jesus those are some cringe-y headlines.
Daily News is trash, NY Post is where it's at.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 12, 2018, 09:50:47 AM
Daily News is trash, NY Post is where it's at.
Doesn’t Brian Costello cover the Jets for the NY Post?
That fat, negative bumbling idiot is awful. He knows nothing about this team or the sport of football.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 13, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
Might as well get used to it now, dudes gonna deal with this excrement for the next 15 plus years
Post by: insanity on August 13, 2018, 10:24:00 AM
Apparently the media is making a big deal about Darnold's post game comments, saying he was too confident about how easy it was to read defenses its easier than college etc etc. And that it's only a preseason game with vanilla defenses
Might as well get used to it now, dudes gonna deal with this excrement for the next 15 plus years
Seriously? This is why players don't like talking to the media. He's a 21 year old kid who's excited because he just had his first NFL game and played well. He's explaining that the width of the sideline makes the game easier for him. He didn't Eli Manning himself into the Elite category. This is ridiculous.
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2018, 11:14:44 AM
He didn't Eli Manning himself into the Elite category.
Joe Flacco. Flacco told everyone he was elite; Eli just went out and beat Brady twice to prove he is.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2018, 11:17:28 AM
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Sam Darnold is on an "accelerated process" in #Jets camp due to how he has handled everything the team has thrown at him mentally (@caplannfl).
@caplanNFL: There's absolutely no hesitation when Darnold runs a play. Knows where he's going with the football and pocket awareness has been very good today vs. #Redskins.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 13, 2018, 11:19:32 AM
Apparently the media is making a big deal about Darnold's post game comments, saying he was too confident about how easy it was to read defenses its easier than college etc etc. And that it's only a preseason game with vanilla defenses
Might as well get used to it now, dudes gonna deal with this excrement for the next 15 plus years
I heard this lover of the older lady was smiling during the postgame
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2018, 11:22:11 AM
I heard this lover of the older lady was smiling during the postgame
Good. Clearly he's reading JO and working on the areas of improvement I have identified. Maybe there's hope for him yet.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 13, 2018, 11:44:29 AM
Good. Clearly he's reading JO and working on the areas of improvement I have identified. Maybe there's hope for him yet.
So when Darnold wins Super Bowl LIII we know who to thank.
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2018, 11:45:09 AM
So when Darnold wins Super Bowl LIII we know who to thank.
Don't worry, I'll remain humble about it. I'll be happy just to have played my part.
Post by: MoreCharacters on August 13, 2018, 05:23:43 PM
if I can't find a story bashing Darnold after 30 seconds of scanning Cimini's twitter, it's not a real story. random twitter trolls are not "the media"
Post by: Ornstein on August 13, 2018, 05:44:28 PM
Apparently the media is making a big deal about Darnold's post game comments, saying he was too confident about how easy it was to read defenses its easier than college etc etc. And that it's only a preseason game with vanilla defenses
Might as well get used to it now, dudes gonna deal with this excrement for the next 15 plus years
I'm pretty sure Darnold could give a excrement less what the media says.
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2018, 05:44:37 PM
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Post by: Laxin on August 14, 2018, 05:53:30 AM
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Post by: Laxin on August 14, 2018, 11:38:55 AM
52m52 minutes ago: Darnold beautiful ball on first down. Hit Leggett deep on PA boot. #Jets
@Connor_J_Hughes
51m51 minutes ago: Darnold and Leggett again. QB hits the TE on a corner route. This throw from the pocket. Darnold quickly moving down field #Jets
@Connor_J_Hughes
48m48 minutes ago: Sam Darnold touchdown. A strike to Walford on skinny post for 20-yard TD. Entire #Jets sideline erupts, led by Jamal Adams. That drive came against #Redskins starters.
@Connor_J_Hughes
49m49 minutes ago: From a Washington POV --> @JPFinlayNBCS: Sam Darnold looks legit folks. Been real impressed today
Post by: dcm1602 on August 14, 2018, 11:42:46 AM
who is "the media?"
if I can't find a story bashing Darnold after 30 seconds of scanning Cimini's twitter, it's not a real story. random twitter trolls are not "the media"
It was literally what they were rambling about on ESPN when I saw it. And they usually parrot someone else's bullshit
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 14, 2018, 12:31:38 PM
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Post by: Derek Smalls on August 14, 2018, 12:34:42 PM
Norman's quotes. This is as exciting a quote as I've seen.
Post by: reuben on August 14, 2018, 12:42:38 PM
https://twitter.com/matthew_paras/status/1029413456263487490
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Post by: Laxin on August 14, 2018, 01:02:27 PM
He can play in this league at Day 1.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 14, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
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Post by: WD40 on August 15, 2018, 08:06:05 AM
My wife keeps telling me to calm down because it's the Jets. But honestly, I don't think I've ever been this excited about a Jet in my entire life.
This got me thinking. I've been following the Jets since the early 90s ... top 5 Jets on the "Excitement Index" for me:
(1) Sam Darnold. freak yeah.
(2) Darrelle Revis circa 2009 - 2011. freaking loved that guy. Bought a jersey. Don't regret it.
(3) Keyshawn Johnson circa 1997 - 1998. "They gave me the ball and now we're money!" One of my all time favorites. Sold his jersey on Ebay, but it was one of the crappy pre-1998 uniforms anyway.
(4) Chad Pennington and Laveranues Coles circa 2002. Those guys had a connection out there. I nearly burned Bradway in effigy when he let Coles walk and turned him into Dewayne freaking Robertson.
(5) Rex Ryan circa 2009 - 2010. Say what you will about the guy, but he was the face of the franchise for two years and we went to two AFC Championship games on some wildly good game planning against the Chargers, Colts and Pats. I'll always have a soft spot for Sexy Rexy.
I'd buy a Darnold jersey, but I don't want to jinx the kid.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 15, 2018, 11:02:37 AM
This got me thinking. I've been following the Jets since the early 90s ... top 5 Jets on the "Excitement Index" for me:
(1) Sam Darnold. freak yeah.
(2) Darrelle Revis circa 2009 - 2011. freaking loved that guy. Bought a jersey. Don't regret it.
(3) Keyshawn Johnson circa 1997 - 1998. "They gave me the ball and now we're money!" One of my all time favorites. Sold his jersey on Ebay, but it was one of the crappy pre-1998 uniforms anyway.
(4) Chad Pennington and Laveranues Coles circa 2002. Those guys had a connection out there. I nearly burned Bradway in effigy when he let Coles walk and turned him into Dewayne freaking Robertson.
(5) Rex Ryan circa 2009 - 2010. Say what you will about the guy, but he was the face of the franchise for two years and we went to two AFC Championship games on some wildly good game planning against the Chargers, Colts and Pats. I'll always have a soft spot for Sexy Rexy.
I'd buy a Darnold jersey, but I don't want to jinx the kid.
My top 5 is fairly similar.
1) Drafting Darnold and his performance so far.
2) Darrelle Revis' career as a Jet. He can get fucked after going to New England and winning a title just to come back and steal from the Jets, but his first stint here he was as elite as they come.
3) Getting Brett Favre. He was my favorite player as a kid and I had always wished he'd been a Jet. It didn't work out in the end, but I still don't regret it.
4) Chad Pennington. He was the franchise guy we'd been waiting for. His body just didn't hold up.
5) Rex Ryan. The ending sucked, but he took my team to two straight AFCC games.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2018, 11:13:44 AM
Major setbacks.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 15, 2018, 11:19:56 AM
Brett Favre and Geno Smith are my least favorite moments for this team.
Major setbacks.
I certainly agree about Geno, but I don't see how Favre was a setback for this team.
Post by: Johnny English on August 15, 2018, 05:25:32 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 15, 2018, 09:01:03 PM
Brett Favre and Geno Smith are my least favorite moments for this team.
Major setbacks.
Hackenberg too. Complete waste of a 2nd rd pick.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2018, 10:01:31 PM
Hackenberg too. Complete waste of a 2nd rd pick.
Hack didn’t set us back very far. It was a bad pick, but look who we have at QB now?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2018, 10:02:43 PM
I certainly agree about Geno, but I don't see how Favre was a setback for this team.
It led to the Rex Ryan era.
He won with most of Eric Mangini’s players. This team didn’t need Brett Favre.
Post by: insanity on August 15, 2018, 11:09:30 PM
Brett Favre and Geno Smith are my least favorite moments for this team.
Major setbacks.
So you think martini and tannenbaum would have been successful?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 15, 2018, 11:16:44 PM
So you think martini and tannenbaum would have been successful?
I think Mangini was actually doing a very good job bringing in players through the draft.
That basically fell apart when he was fired.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 16, 2018, 06:48:21 AM
Hack didn’t set us back very far. It was a bad pick, but look who we have at QB now?
excrement if we started Hack we probably wouldn't have needed to trade up for Darnold. So not starting him was probably a set back for the organization
Post by: Coach K on August 16, 2018, 09:44:06 AM
excrement if we started Hack we probably wouldn't have needed to trade up for Darnold. So not starting him was probably a set back for the organization
this makes 0 sense
it was a minor set back because it was a misuse of a 2nd rd pick, thats what Heismanberg meant.
Hackenberg obviously wasnt good enough to desuade the Jets from targeting a QB (even if he played) and the fact the Raiders cut him so soon tells us nobody is really convinced in him
John Gruden jerked him off on his own TV show and cut the kid
Post by: Coach K on August 16, 2018, 09:44:37 AM
I think Mangini was actually doing a very good job bringing in players through the draft.
That basically fell apart when he was fired.
Rex wouldve lasted 2 years if it werent for the core that Mangini built
Post by: Heismanberg on August 16, 2018, 09:54:20 AM
Rex wouldve lasted 2 years if it werent for the core that Mangini built
Darrelle Revis
Nick Mangold
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
David Harris
People want to harp on the Vernon Gholston pick but in three drafts, Mangini drafted four of the best players to ever put on a Jets uniform.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 16, 2018, 10:42:01 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 16, 2018, 10:44:46 AM
excrement if we started Hack we probably wouldn't have needed to trade up for Darnold. So not starting him was probably a set back for the organization
The most valuable thing that happened to the Jets in 2017 was that they stayed competitive in almost every game despite being overmatched talent-wise in almost all of those games. The team gained confidence knowing they could hang with NFL teams. That was because McCown kept them competitive by bringing solid QB play for a change. None of that happens if Hack started. We'd have been a 1-2 win team getting blown out almost every week. No team development. Most of the guys starting this year built cohesiveness toegether on that team last year.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 16, 2018, 11:38:15 AM
On a similar note, I felt like a kid at Christmas when we got Tomlinson. Probably my favourite football player ever.
Forgot that one, but same.
It led to the Rex Ryan era.
He won with most of Eric Mangini’s players. This team didn’t need Brett Favre.
I don't share your same feelings about Rex's overall tenure, since I enjoyed the first couple of years and I don't know that Mangini could've gotten the same performance from the same players. That makes sense though, considering how you feel about the Rex years.
Post by: reuben on August 16, 2018, 11:43:47 AM
Darrelle Revis
Nick Mangold
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
David Harris
People want to harp on the Vernon Gholston pick but in three drafts, Mangini drafted four of the best players to ever put on a Jets uniform.
He deserves a lot of credit for the Revis pick. That draft was stacked at DB; took a lot of sand to trade up for one when we could have stayed put and come away with a talented player.
I give Mangini, former DB coach, as much credit for the Revis pick as I give Rex Ryan, DL coach, for drafting Quinton Coples.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 16, 2018, 12:10:38 PM
He deserves a lot of credit for the Revis pick. That draft was stacked at DB; took a lot of sand to trade up for one when we could have stayed put and come away with a talented player.
I give Mangini, former DB coach, as much credit for the Revis pick as I give Rex Ryan, DL coach, for drafting Quinton Coples.
A+
Post by: insanity on August 16, 2018, 01:25:37 PM
He deserves a lot of credit for the Revis pick. That draft was stacked at DB; took a lot of sand to trade up for one when we could have stayed put and come away with a talented player.Mangini and Tannenbaum shouldn't get credit for that pick because Revis fell into their lap
I give Mangini, former DB coach, as much credit for the Revis pick as I give Rex Ryan, DL coach, for drafting Quinton Coples.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 16, 2018, 01:53:08 PM
Mangini and Tannenbaum shouldn't get credit for that pick because Revis fell into their lap
We traded up for him
Post by: Johnny English on August 16, 2018, 01:55:03 PM
We traded up for him
I think insanity was making a funny.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 16, 2018, 03:11:18 PM
I think insanity was making a funny.
Yeah he did.
Mangini and Tannenbaum shouldn't get credit for that pick because Revis fell into their lap3.875 honks.
Post by: Ornstein on August 16, 2018, 09:33:00 PM
Post by: WD40 on August 17, 2018, 07:49:23 AM
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/8/17/17706298/sam-darnold-day-audible-training-camp-practice-new-york-jets
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 19, 2018, 12:50:27 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2018, 08:48:43 AM
While Cimini has stated he thinks Darnold is trending towards starting week one, he also cautions against forcing it (which it seems like we're doing). Obviously you let him compete but if he's not the best guy for the job right NOW then you don't start him. Ane factoring in the line its injuries the new blocking scheme and the tough opening schedule caution could be a good idea to delay Darnold's debut until a more appropriate time
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2018, 10:41:10 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2018, 12:09:03 PM
I'm fine with the way things are going.#FireBowles
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 20, 2018, 12:42:09 PM
#FireBowles
Mid season form lol
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2018, 12:45:44 PM
Mid season form lolMB's vision: predetermine 3-4 head coaches to be fired in succession in order to set the table for the guy you really want a decade from now.......who will also be fired if he finishes anywhere below .500 at any point or doesn't make the playoffs in his first season.
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2018, 12:47:34 PM
MB's vision: predetermine 3-4 head coaches to be fired in succession in order to set the table for the guy you really want a decade from now.......who will also be fired if he finishes anywhere below .500 at any point or doesn't make the playoffs in his first season.
Or by the end of the second season regardless of performance because by that stage MB is bored of him and wants someone new.
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2018, 01:18:19 PM
MB's vision: predetermine 3-4 head coaches to be fired in succession in order to set the table for the guy you really want a decade from now.......who will also be fired if he finishes anywhere below .500 at any point or doesn't make the playoffs in his first season.MB’s vision: winning
Bowles isn’t the guy...never will be.
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2018, 01:26:17 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
MBGreen a year ago: "Cheveldayoff and Maurice are idiots and I can't believe the Jets still haven't fired them."Maurice is still an idiot. When Chevy signs Laine long term, he will be granted full amnesty.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 20, 2018, 03:35:21 PM
MB’s vision: winningthinking about your vision:
(https://i.giphy.com/media/8LZF9wZmqAJhK/200_s.gif)
Post by: Laxin on August 20, 2018, 06:58:55 PM
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Obviously you let him compete but if he's not the best guy for the job right NOW then you don't start him.
Why? What does it matter if he is better than Teddy Bridgewater or not? So many Jets fans are falling into this shortsighted trap and it just doesn't make any sense.
Also, the "difficult" start to the schedule is pretty overstated. I mean sure, there are a couple of days less for preparation, but none of the team's are former playoff teams.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 20, 2018, 07:16:56 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 20, 2018, 08:43:05 PM
Why? What does it matter if he is better than Teddy Bridgewater or not? So many Jets fans are falling into this shortsighted trap and it just doesn't make any sense.
Also, the "difficult" start to the schedule is pretty overstated. I mean sure, there are a couple of days less for preparation, but none of the team's are former playoff teams.
When your coaches mantra had basically been the best guy will start everything is a competition, then you go out and give a guy who isn't the best player at his position the starting job, it's an issue.
Sam will play this season, it doesn't have to be week 1
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2018, 08:45:11 PM
When your coaches mantra had basically been the best guy will start everything is a competition, then you go out and give a guy who isn't the best player at his position the starting job, it's an issue.I haven't seen anything showing one is better than the other right now. They both are playing solid.
Sam will play this season, it doesn't have to be week 1
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 20, 2018, 11:02:14 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 21, 2018, 08:07:40 AM
I haven't seen anything showing one is better than the other right now. They both are playing solid.
You mean like our first two preseason games?
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2018, 09:25:10 AM
You mean like our first two preseason games?
How did Bridgewater look better than Darnold in two games? They both played against backups in Game 1 and Bridgewater played against absolute scrubs in the 2nd game.
You're basing this off of what you see in non-scripted scrimmages. The coaches are evaluating them off of much more.
Preseason games aren't even game planned. It's pointless to use that as the only way to judge if someone is ready. Bowles and Bates see him in practice and in the film room every day. That's way more important than a scrimmage.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 21, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
You mean like our first two preseason games?
I thought they looked pretty even.
Post by: klaximilian on August 21, 2018, 09:46:07 AM
He was far more efficient in ATL game and showed poise, pocket presence, and ability to make plays outside the pocket. He seems to get it already, and I can't remember being this excited for a Jets QB in a very long time.
Lets see what he does in this week's dress rehearsal.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 21, 2018, 09:51:20 AM
He doesn't have conventional footwork when throwing, but it doesn't cause him issues. In fact it's a good thing because he doesn't have to be in perfect position to make a play. He's accurate with his feet tied in knots. With our offensive line, I don't know that he's ever going to have time to be in good position.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2018, 09:52:18 AM
I'm not giving Darnold a mulligan per se, but he was getting pressured against WSH. He did decent for his first game against #1s. The INT at the end is what most will remember, but it was 4th down and he's known to be a gun-slinger who will take chances. He'll get better with experience.
Yeah, there was no one open on that 4th down play. You absolutely cannot take a sack there, so he was right to get rid of it...and it looked a lot worse than it was.
I watched that play over and over again. Lawrence Thomas had to be the initial read and he was so slow out of the backfield that WSH was able to cover him immediately. Darnold quickly went to his second read and threw it.
He probably thought that when the strong side linebacker bailed to pick up the fullback, that Kearse would be open underneath. The safety was walked up into the box and made a really good read to jump in front of Kearse.
It was a bad play design and I'd like to think Bates would call a QB sneak in that situation in a real game.
Post by: klaximilian on August 21, 2018, 09:52:31 AM
I don't get the "oh excrement he's about to throw it" knot in the stomach I got with Sanchez, Geno, Fitz, etc.
This. ^
Post by: klaximilian on August 21, 2018, 09:54:42 AM
Yeah, there was no one open on that 4th down play. You absolutely cannot take a sack there, so he was right to get rid of it...and it looked a lot worse than it was.
I watched that play over and over again. Lawrence Thomas had to be the initial read and he was so slow out of the backfield that WSH was able to cover him immediately. Darnold quickly went to his second read and threw it.
He probably thought that when the strong side linebacker bailed to pick up the fullback, that Kearse would be open underneath. The safety was walked up into the box and made a really good read to jump in front of Kearse.
It was a bad play design and I'd like to think Bates would call a QB sneak in that situation in a real game.
I didn't analyze it like you did, but I did see the LB drop into coverage on the replay. It was a good play, and almost a necessary throw for Darnold in that situation.
I'm excited to see what the kid can do when he actually has a gameplan and a full playbook at his disposal.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 21, 2018, 09:57:32 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 21, 2018, 09:59:14 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2018, 10:00:20 AM
Hard to get upset about a pick on 4th down. If you don't convert you lose possession anyway, you might as well take a chance. If anything you might pick up some yardage like a miniature punt.
Exactly, and it's nice to put a rookie in those kind of situations too.
It was an awful playcall and it allowed Bates/Bowles to see that too. Scrap it and design something better. In a regular season game, our QB is sneaking the football for the first.
We really need to stop throwing passes to Lawrence Thomas. He is useless in that aspect of the game. I'm hoping Dimitri Flowers beats him out for the FB job.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
I don't know if he'll ever be a deep passer like McCown was last year. I still say Robby Anderson won't have the same numbers with Darnold, but that's opinion.
Darnold can sling it deep. He's much better throwing down the seam and between the hashes than just straight up nine routes.
A healthy Quincy Enunwa will explode with Darnold, especially on broken plays. I also think Jermaine Kearse matches up well with what Darnold does best. Clive Walford seems to have the best chemistry with Darnold so far, so hopefully we keep him.
I'd hate to see Anderson take a step back, but it's certainly possible.
Post by: reuben on August 21, 2018, 12:58:24 PM
Darnold can sling it deep. He's much better throwing down the seam and between the hashes than just straight up nine routes.
A healthy Quincy Enunwa will explode with Darnold, especially on broken plays. I also think Jermaine Kearse matches up well with what Darnold does best. Clive Walford seems to have the best chemistry with Darnold so far, so hopefully we keep him.
I'd hate to see Anderson take a step back, but it's certainly possible.
Enunwa's going to feast on crossing routes with Darnold slinging it.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2018, 08:59:57 AM
Sam Darnold will be the youngest Week 1 starting QB in the history of the NFL when he starts week 1 for the Jets.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 25, 2018, 11:35:50 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
I guess my question is if the plans for Darnold to start week 1, do you play him with the starting OL the final preseason game? I'm kinda leaning towards yes because of the crazy depth we have at QB and because I think Darnold needs all the reps he can get. And there's plenty of time to rest and prepare for the week 1 game
No. Hell no. Not the starting o-line either. Can you imagine the backlash this team would deservedly get if Darnold got injured by some overzealous scrub defensive player trying to make the derriere end of the roster in Philly? A few quarters of playing time against Philly's scrubs won't change anything for Darnold. The o-line is already thin, they can't afford to risk losing a starter in a meaningless game.
Honestly, I wouldn't want to play Teddy either, but you kind of have to since we don't have a 4th QB. Honestly an accidental injury to either McCown or Teddy kills the Jets ability to trade Teddy. Gotta keep him if McCown goes down.
Put Darnold in a bulletproof case and unseal him week 1.
Post by: MBGreen on August 25, 2018, 12:02:56 PM
Darnold looks real good. This is why we embraced the tank, freak last year.Sadly, Bowles tried to win last year. If we embraced the tank, it wouldn’t have cost us three 2nd rd picks to move up for Darnold
Post by: Laxin on August 25, 2018, 12:04:22 PM
This won't be the most explosive offense, and he won't put up Andrew Luck or Deshaun Watson stats as a rookie, but he can play at a capable level in the NFL, and will only get better.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 25, 2018, 12:07:50 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2018, 12:35:14 PM
Sadly, Bowles tried to win last year. If we embraced the tank, it wouldn’t have cost us three 2nd rd picks to move up for Darnold
And we'd have a bunch of players that played a season not giving a excrement carrying over into this year. Great for team building. One of the good things about this offseason is that these guys played hard last year, kept the games close despite a clear talent deficiency. You can tell they are carrying that attitude over into this year.
I know you'll never agree with me, but I'd never want to lose a game on purpose.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 25, 2018, 12:49:26 PM
Post by: reuben on August 25, 2018, 01:50:31 PM
I guess my question is if the plans for Darnold to start week 1, do you play him with the starting OL the final preseason game? I'm kinda leaning towards yes because of the crazy depth we have at QB and because I think Darnold needs all the reps he can get. And there's plenty of time to rest and prepare for the week 1 game
Josh McCown was the Week 1 starter going into the 4th preseason game last season and Bowles played him for the first two drives. McCown got drilled in the chest during one of those drives, too. I agree with Bo that it would be tremendously stupid to play your starters next week, but, well... Bowles.
Post by: casman02 on August 26, 2018, 08:07:27 AM
Post by: Laxin on August 26, 2018, 10:22:44 AM
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1033694417276817408
His mental game has really impressed me so far. I wasn't completely sure how great he was at reading defenses and going through progressions at USC, but he seems to really get the game mentally. Its really promising, and it ties into what Josh Norman was even saying about how he doesn't make mistakes or can't be baited like most rookies.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2018, 06:10:40 AM
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1033694417276817408
Just came here to post that so I’m going to do it anyways
https://mobile.twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1033694417276817408
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2018, 07:51:15 AM
Just came here to post that so I’m going to do it anywaysWow, thanks for the news. Glad someone finally posted it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1033694417276817408
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2018, 08:16:40 AM
Wow, thanks for the news. Glad someone finally posted it.
All credit goes to soxxx
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2018, 08:29:04 AM
All credit goes to soxxxOf course.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 27, 2018, 09:41:09 AM
Tommy Maddox will be the only QB younger than Darnold to start an NFL game (21 years, 81 days old in 1992).
-Manish
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 27, 2018, 10:20:01 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2018, 10:21:37 AM
They signed John Wolford out of Wake Forest. Darnold should be in street clothes for the entire Philly game.Don't even put him on the sideline. Put him in the booth with a bulletproof shield.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 27, 2018, 10:41:06 AM
Don't even put him on the sideline. Put him in the booth with a bulletproof shield.
Cover him in bubblewrap and put him under house arrest.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 27, 2018, 01:21:39 PM
Post by: Gorilla on August 27, 2018, 01:34:20 PM
#Jets QB Sam Darnold will be 21 years, 97 days old when he starts Week 1 against Detroit.
Tommy Maddox will be the only QB younger than Darnold to start an NFL game (21 years, 81 days old in 1992).
-Manish
Which would make Sam the youngest qb ever to be team's starter week 1, as Maddox was Elway's backup.
Unless I'm wrong, which has never ever happened in my whole life, i'm always right.
Post by: Badger on August 27, 2018, 01:37:11 PM
The only thing that's gonna bother me about Darnold starting week 1 is a lot of people are saying that it was never a real competition
Welcome to the last decade of NFL QB handling.
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Post by: AlioTheFool on August 27, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
Besides, Darnold worked his derriere off, learned the playbook, and played legitimately well. If anyone says he didn't earn the job, they're idiots.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 27, 2018, 10:31:08 PM
Who cares if the "competition" was "fair"? They signed Bridgewater when they figured they'd never get near Darnold. When he was there when they picked, plan B became "Holy excrement, screw the plans!"
Besides, Darnold worked his derriere off, learned the playbook, and played legitimately well. If anyone says he didn't earn the job, they're idiots.
freak yes.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 27, 2018, 10:51:43 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 28, 2018, 03:09:42 PM
Romo likes Darnold and thinks he should start day 1.
Probably the best description of why he should play now:
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"From an organizational perspective, there is an allowance for a [young] player to grow into who he is supposed to become," Romo said. "The way to get better at football is to play football. Long-term development doesn't get hurt if you're a great player [who struggles early on]. If you're not a great player, yes, it can hurt the development and it can hurt someone's psyche. But if you're a great player, you carry other people and you'll make it work."
Post by: reuben on August 28, 2018, 03:31:34 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 28, 2018, 03:47:45 PM
https://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/08/why_tony_romo_thinks_jets_sam_darnold_will_be_outs.html
Romo likes Darnold and thinks he should start day 1.
Probably the best description of why he should play now:
He also said on Tiki and Tierney that he thinks Darnold is next in line after Brady and Rodgers.
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2018, 05:13:22 PM
Strange pronouncement from a quarterback who sat for his first three years.He must have felt he was ready to play earlier.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 28, 2018, 07:08:32 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 28, 2018, 07:25:29 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 29, 2018, 02:17:18 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2018, 02:18:39 PM
Post by: Jumbo on August 29, 2018, 02:18:56 PM
don't freak this up, Bowles.
Fire Bowles before he fucks it up tbh
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2018, 02:20:52 PM
Fire Bowles before he fucks it up tbh
it's not too late
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 29, 2018, 02:23:38 PM
don't freak this up, Bowles.
Get a new line
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2018, 02:26:21 PM
Get a new line
Fire Bowles ASAP
better?
let's get the ball rollin'
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 29, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
Fire Bowles ASAP
better?
let's get the ball rollin'
Or maybe..........
Maybe....
Give one of our coaches a real QB with real talent around them rather than just scapegoating the head coach because that’s easier that pointing all the many, various issues with the personell, coaching staff, and front office decisions?
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2018, 02:42:00 PM
Or maybe..........
Maybe....
Give one of our coaches a real QB with real talent around them rather than just scapegoating the head coach because that’s easier that pointing all the many, various issues with the personell, coaching staff, and front office decisions?
I think the front office is fine..my issue is Bowles. He's stubborn, doesn't learn from his mistakes, and can't manage a clock. And he's done this for multiple seasons.
I'll turn it around on you. Other than making excuses for what Bowles DOESN'T have...why do you think he's so great? I haven't seen an ounce of ingenuity from him in 3 seasons. You think he's the one that's going to lead us to a Super Bowl?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 29, 2018, 02:52:22 PM
I think the front office is fine..my issue is Bowles. He's stubborn, doesn't learn from his mistakes, and can't manage a clock. And he's done this for multiple seasons.
I'll turn it around on you. Other than making excuses for what Bowles DOESN'T have...why do you think he's so great? I haven't seen an ounce of ingenuity from him in 3 seasons. You think he's the one that's going to lead us to a Super Bowl?
I’m not gonna argue with you. Bowles wasn’t the problem the past few years, it was lack of talent. His first year was really the only legit roster we had. Or maybe you though Fitz shitting all over himself 2 years ago and Bryce Petty last year were Bowles fault? I never said I thought Bowles is great, merely an average HC who the players seem to like. I’ve said in the past I’ll start to worry about the HC when he’s losing us games with a team that should be winning. We’ve finally arrived at that point, even though I really think it’s going to take another offseason for this overhaul to be complete.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 29, 2018, 02:53:22 PM
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2018, 03:00:13 PM
I’m not gonna argue with you. Bowles wasn’t the problem the past few years, it was lack of talent. His first year was really the only legit roster we had. Or maybe you though Fitz shitting all over himself 2 years ago and Bryce Petty last year were Bowles fault? I never said I thought Bowles is great, merely an average HC who the players seem to like. I’ve said in the past I’ll start to worry about the HC when he’s losing us games with a team that should be winning. We’ve finally arrived at that point, even though I really think it’s going to take another offseason for this overhaul to be complete.
You're a little more optimistic than i am.
The rosters weren't great, especially the QB position. I will give you that.
But what about the penalties? They were an issue the last few seasons, and it's already spilled over into this season. Before you say that's a mundane issue, it's not...because excessive penalties screw with momentum and could cost us games. This type of stuff is on coaching.
I guess my gripe is that i don't see Bowles improving, in fact, he's regressed.
I'm interested to see what he can do with Darnold, but i'm not getting my hopes up. I also don't think he deserves another chance if this team finishes below .500 again.
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2018, 03:00:44 PM
Also, keep this excrement in the Bowles thread.
Darnold is part of the convo too.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 29, 2018, 05:35:47 PM
You're a little more optimistic than i am.
The rosters weren't great, especially the QB position. I will give you that.
But what about the penalties? They were an issue the last few seasons, and it's already spilled over into this season. Before you say that's a mundane issue, it's not...because excessive penalties screw with momentum and could cost us games. This type of stuff is on coaching.
I guess my gripe is that i don't see Bowles improving, in fact, he's regressed.
I'm interested to see what he can do with Darnold, but i'm not getting my hopes up. I also don't think he deserves another chance if this team finishes below .500 again.
https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1034117555575836672
Post by: Miamipuck on August 29, 2018, 05:49:47 PM
You're a little more optimistic than i am.
The rosters weren't great, especially the QB position. I will give you that.
But what about the penalties? They were an issue the last few seasons, and it's already spilled over into this season. Before you say that's a mundane issue, it's not...because excessive penalties screw with momentum and could cost us games. This type of stuff is on coaching.
I guess my gripe is that i don't see Bowles improving, in fact, he's regressed.
I'm interested to see what he can do with Darnold, but i'm not getting my hopes up. I also don't think he deserves another chance if this team finishes below .500 again.
You dumb bastard this is the Darnold thread not the Porta potty. If you're going to excrement this place up, for freak sake do it there.
Post by: reuben on August 29, 2018, 05:56:06 PM
https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1034117555575836672
Yeah, not all penalties are equal, though.
We were the 3rd most flagged team for Defensive Holding last season. I'm OK with that. That's one of those categories that will produce results like the ones you linked, because they're probably getting away with more than they're getting called.
But we also had the most Illegal Substitution and 12 Men on the Field penalties, and that's just bad organization and coaching. Rex had the same problem.
Post by: Johnny English on August 29, 2018, 05:56:40 PM
https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1034117555575836672
Seems pretty logical. Successful teams generally have aggressive defenses and mauling lines. They're likely going to pick up more penalties in the process.
I think a more telling stat would be penalty yards surrendered. Bad teams pick up big penalties, like PI because the secondary can't live with the opposing offense and unsportsmanlike because they're getting frustrated.
Edit: reuben's post is good. I agree that 12 men and the like are on the coaching team, and that's definitely excrement that Bowles needs to deal with.
Post by: insanity on August 29, 2018, 06:10:07 PM
You're a little more optimistic than i am.
The rosters weren't great, especially the QB position. I will give you that.
But what about the penalties? They were an issue the last few seasons, and it's already spilled over into this season. Before you say that's a mundane issue, it's not...because excessive penalties screw with momentum and could cost us games. This type of stuff is on coaching.
I guess my gripe is that i don't see Bowles improving, in fact, he's regressed.
I'm interested to see what he can do with Darnold, but i'm not getting my hopes up. I also don't think he deserves another chance if this team finishes below .500 again.
Fwiw I'm indifferent on Bowles, but penalties were only an issue last year. Initially we were one of the least penalized teams in the league. The broadcast talked about it last week. I honestly think it has to do with youth, or atleast I'm hoping.
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2018, 06:37:46 PM
You dumb bastard this is the Darnold thread not the Porta potty. If you're going to excrement this place up, for freak sake do it there.You’re not a mod in this forum, peasant.
Post by: MBGreen on August 29, 2018, 06:39:08 PM
Fwiw I'm indifferent on Bowles, but penalties were only an issue last year. Initially we were one of the least penalized teams in the league. The broadcast talked about it last week. I honestly think it has to do with youth, or atleast I'm hoping.I hope so. I want this team to succeed, especially Darnold. I just don’t believe in Bowles.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 29, 2018, 06:41:42 PM
I hope so. I want this team to succeed, especially Darnold. I just don’t believe in Bowles.Racist.
Post by: Laxin on August 29, 2018, 06:44:51 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 29, 2018, 06:53:47 PM
I know stats are just stats and not the end all be all... but for discussion purposes, what do you guys expect his stat-line to be at the end of the season?Low TDs, probably similar INT#. Not a ton of yards. Conservative. 2800 yards, 17 TDs 14 INTs. Pure speculation. Suprise might be more running TDs than expected from Darnold.
Edwards will need a foot transplant after this season.
Post by: insanity on August 29, 2018, 07:00:58 PM
Low TDs, probably similar INT#. Not a ton of yards. Conservative. 2800 yards, 17 TDs 14 INTs. Pure speculation. Suprise might be more running TDs than expected from Darnold.
Edwards will need a foot transplant after this season.
I think that's fair
About 2800 yards 15-20 tds and 10-15 int 3 rushing yes sounds feasible too
Who is edwards
Post by: Johnny English on August 29, 2018, 07:10:00 PM
TDs - 38
INTs - 9
Rings - 1
freak off with your non-optimistic bullshit a week before the season starts.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 29, 2018, 07:12:50 PM
Who is edwards
Our punter and best offensive weapon. Or worst.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 29, 2018, 07:14:02 PM
Yards - 38
TDs - 4760
INTs - 1
Rings - 9
freak off with your non-optimistic bullshit a week before the season starts.
Good point. I made some alterations.
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2018, 09:47:30 PM
Low TDs, probably similar INT#. Not a ton of yards. Conservative. 2800 yards, 17 TDs 14 INTs. Pure speculation. Suprise might be more running TDs than expected from Darnold.
Edwards will need a foot transplant after this season.
I think that's fair
About 2800 yards 15-20 tds and 10-15 int 3 rushing yes sounds feasible too
Basically 2010 Sanchez.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 29, 2018, 09:58:45 PM
Post by: insanity on August 29, 2018, 10:14:03 PM
0 smiles the entire year
On a more serious note, I'd love to start a pool on how many times Darnold says awesome in his post game press conferences during the regular season. Seems like its a pretty common word in his vocabulary.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 29, 2018, 10:29:14 PM
On a more serious note, I'd love to start a pool on how many times Darnold says awesome in his post game press conferences during the regular season. Seems like its a pretty common word in his vocabulary.
They're giving away Hulk Bobbleheads for the tailgate game. Are you going?
Think of how much that would add to you sex life!
Post by: Libero_2 on August 29, 2018, 11:01:56 PM
3287 yards
26 total TDs (22 throwing a 4 rushing)
17 total turnovers
I think I'm looking at these numbers and saying to myself this isn't really anything special in today's NFL, probably puts him as being a top 20-24 QB. Yet statistically speaking it might be a top 5-7 season ever for a Jets QB.
God our history of QBs is disastrously bad
Post by: insanity on August 30, 2018, 12:17:39 AM
They're giving away Hulk Bobbleheads for the tailgate game. Are you going?
Think of how much that would add to you sex life!
My girlfriend already uses her hulk hands on my derriere hole. That's more than enough marvel for my bootyhole. ;)
Post by: Miamipuck on August 30, 2018, 01:03:58 AM
My girlfriend already uses her hulk hands on my derriere hole. That's more than enough marvel for my bootyhole. ;)
Is that a yes to the tailgate? lol
Post by: dcm1602 on August 30, 2018, 03:56:09 AM
3000 would be roughly 187 yards a game, which is really freaking low in today's NFL. I don't think Darnold is going to put up madden numbers as a rookie, but he should have several 300 yard games.
I would think more likely is a fairly high amount of passing yards (for a rookie) with a fairly high number of ints as well
Post by: Laxin on September 03, 2018, 02:28:38 PM
I know there was a ton of reports, but they were all speculation until it came from Bowles/the organization themselves.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnRk_S6HCM_/?hl=en&taken-by=nyjets
Video: https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1036687587048665088?s=21
Post by: MBGreen on September 03, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 03, 2018, 02:59:42 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 03, 2018, 03:08:41 PM
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Darnold and McCown spoke to reporters before they got the verdict from Bowles. Darnold said he'd be confident + calm if called upon in Detroit. Told that #Jets fans have been waiting for the next Namath, Darnold said, "It's going to be really fun in NY for a long time."
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Post by: Badger on September 03, 2018, 05:59:45 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 03, 2018, 06:17:05 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 03, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
What’s the rule, over 4 hours for an erection and you call the doctor? What if you have one for a week?It'll heal.
Post by: MBGreen on September 03, 2018, 06:40:14 PM
What’s the rule, over 4 hours for an erection and you call the doctor? What if you have one for a week?Jump into the back of cab with the Tongue and ScotlandJet.
Post by: Johnny English on September 03, 2018, 07:54:49 PM
What’s the rule, over 4 hours for an erection and you call the doctor? What if you have one for a week?
We're going to Rick's!
Post by: ons on September 06, 2018, 09:31:50 AM
Another guy who loves Darnold.
Post by: Ornstein on September 06, 2018, 05:18:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj7-Rd1EYL0&feature=youtu.be
Another guy who loves Darnold.
Not to excrement on anyone's parade but this guy also loved Hackenberg coming out and even claimed he was a first round talent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUh7Tia8pWM
Post by: Johnny English on September 06, 2018, 05:30:51 PM
Not to excrement on anyone's parade but this guy also loved Hackenberg coming out and even claimed he was a first round talent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUh7Tia8pWM
Did you listen to the first minute of the Darnold film? I'm pretty certain he's directly addressing that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 10, 2018, 10:40:54 PM
Now Youse Can’t Leave.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 10, 2018, 10:41:18 PM
Post by: Badger on September 10, 2018, 10:53:25 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 10, 2018, 11:01:11 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 10, 2018, 11:03:07 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1039354569875247104?s=19(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmyIe7kUUAYCvha.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on September 10, 2018, 11:10:49 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 11, 2018, 05:53:09 AM
Darnold: 5 incompletions
Post by: Laxin on September 11, 2018, 09:35:59 AM
If he continues to progress the rest of the year like we all expect despite the occasional bumps in the road, I think he'll solidify himself as one of the best young QBs going forward.
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2018, 10:23:50 AM
Imo, Darnold is already a better QB than Sanchez ever was. Ignoring first play jitters... Every decision he made was smart, and simply just taking what the defense gave him. He had perfect ball placement on almost every throw. That TD to Quincy is a play that doesn't happen if delivered in stride on his shoulder which was something Sanchez struggled with. His pocket presence and ability to evade the rush and throw on the run are something special too.Despite the first play I was never worried when Darnold dropped back for a pass. Don't know if it was a product of his play or just my mindset but it felt nice to not bite my nails every time we pass.
If he continues to progress the rest of the year like we all expect despite the occasional bumps in the road, I think he'll solidify himself as one of the best young QBs going forward.
To be fair that kind of went away with McCown. That anxiety was more of a Sanchez/Geno/Fitz thing.
Post by: Johnny English on September 11, 2018, 11:42:20 AM
Despite the first play I was never worried when Darnold dropped back for a pass. Don't know if it was a product of his play or just my mindset but it felt nice to not bite my nails every time we pass.
To be fair that kind of went away with McCown. That anxiety was more of a Sanchez/Geno/Fitz thing.
You're not wrong, but he does need to learn to throw it away. He took at least one unnecessary sack.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 11, 2018, 11:44:30 AM
Despite the first play I was never worried when Darnold dropped back for a pass. Don't know if it was a product of his play or just my mindset but it felt nice to not bite my nails every time we pass.
To be fair that kind of went away with McCown. That anxiety was more of a Sanchez/Geno/Fitz thing.
I think it depends on the individual QB. I couldn't wait for Pennington to throw the ball because it was usually a good ending. Had a sense of dread when it was Geno and a lot of other guys.
Post by: MBGreen on September 11, 2018, 11:47:51 AM
Lions: 5 interceptions
Darnold: 5 incompletions
(http://media.giphy.com/media/Fflz8wk1Z9HAQ/giphy.gif)
Post by: insanity on September 11, 2018, 12:21:10 PM
Despite the first play I was never worried when Darnold dropped back for a pass. Don't know if it was a product of his play or just my mindset but it felt nice to not bite my nails every time we pass.
To be fair that kind of went away with McCown. That anxiety was more of a Sanchez/Geno/Fitz thing.
Similar line of thought - After the pick 6 I really wasn't worried about Darnold. I knew this wasn't going to define his game and he'd figure it out. Definitely a new feeling as a Jets fan.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 11, 2018, 12:28:34 PM
You're not wrong, but he does need to learn to throw it away. He took at least one unnecessary sack.
That comes with experience. If you watch the way he makes progressions and chooses where and when to throw, the skill of throwing it away is around the corner.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 11, 2018, 12:29:27 PM
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1039500170902351872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1039500170902351872&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.theganggreen.com%2Fthreads%2Fdarnolds-long-ball.91038%2Fpage-3
Post by: Laxin on September 11, 2018, 12:38:44 PM
This is pretty cool, I haven't seen this ability in any Jets QB ever. As smart as Pennington was, no way he could make a few of the plays you see here:
https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1039500170902351872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1039500170902351872&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.theganggreen.com%2Fthreads%2Fdarnolds-long-ball.91038%2Fpage-3
Those first two plays he chose to highlight are super encouraging. Two of his biggest criticisms coming out of college were his throwing motion, and fumble problem. The first play he shows a super quick release, and shows he can get the ball into a tight window before a defender can react. Simple play, but one we seem to never make, and all the greats make look routine and effortless.
The second play is great. You can clearly tell that he and the coaching staff have placed an emphasis on keeping two hands on the ball while moving around in the pocket, and it seems like it has already stuck. Fits the narrative we keep hearing that he's a very quick study. This will go unnoticed now because I'd imagine his propensity to fumble will decrease from his college numbers, but its huge for a QB like him that moves around in the pocket so well and so often.
Post by: Johnny English on September 11, 2018, 12:49:38 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 11, 2018, 01:39:33 PM
So I'm curious why, if this was such a big issue at USC, Tyson Helton didn't coach the same thing when it comes to ball security.
Because the Heltons are idiots
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2018, 05:39:35 PM
Darnold would never
Post by: Pope on September 11, 2018, 05:45:57 PM
Post by: Badger on September 11, 2018, 06:48:41 PM
Only thing Darnold would ask is if it’s ok to finish on both of the girls in a threesomeHow is that even a question? Of course you would.
Post by: Johnny English on September 11, 2018, 06:55:36 PM
How is that even a question? Of course you would.
Finishing on both is the polite thing to do. Finishing on the one you prefer is the football player way.
Sam would definitely finish on both, because he's a nice young man.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2018, 07:07:17 PM
-My QB
Post by: bojanglesman on September 11, 2018, 07:31:15 PM
Only thing Darnold would ask is if it’s ok to finish on both of the girls in a threesomeHe'd probably scramble a little first and hit them on the move.
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2018, 05:16:17 AM
He'd probably scramble a little first and jizz on Quandre Diggs by accident
FYP
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2018, 05:18:02 AM
Finishing on both is the polite thing to do. Finishing on the one you prefer is the football player way.Depends on what kind of threesome. Completely casual encounter between all 3 vs a couple+1. If 2 of the 3 are in a long term relationship they should finish together.
Sam would definitely finish on both, because he's a nice young man.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2018, 05:47:05 AM
Depends on what kind of threesome. Completely casual encounter between all 3 vs a couple+1. If 2 of the 3 are in a long term relationship they should finish together.I think we may need a new thread here. Threesome etiquette in the sports world?
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2018, 09:13:02 AM
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1039695130465378309?s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on September 12, 2018, 09:28:40 AM
Post by: Laxin on September 12, 2018, 09:42:58 AM
Post by: Pope on September 12, 2018, 10:15:18 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2018, 10:27:41 AM
Outside of one run Barkley didn’t look good
He didn't, but this dude isn't helping him much. Lol:
(https://i.redd.it/hzrfts00gcl11.gif)
Post by: bojanglesman on September 12, 2018, 11:34:29 AM
The only thing I can say with comfort is that Darnold looks like he belongs in the NFL as a starter. The only question is what his ceiling will be.
Post by: Jumbo on September 12, 2018, 11:40:34 AM
https://imgur.com/a/MGPs4LZ
Post by: MBGreen on September 12, 2018, 01:30:15 PM
One one hand, I don't want to get too excited about one game. On the other hand, I think we deserve to get overly fired up about something for a change. Of course he's going to have some shitty games, but I'm going to enjoy this one.
The only thing I can say with comfort is that Darnold looks like he belongs in the NFL as a starter. The only question is what his ceiling will be.
his ceiling is 6x Superbowl champion. Come @ me, suckah.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 12, 2018, 03:56:26 PM
Not sure if the whole catalog has been posted here yet but:
https://imgur.com/a/MGPs4LZ
The first commenter said something to the effect “I didn’t know I needed these” I feel he exact same way. That excrement is hilarious
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 16, 2018, 05:28:08 PM
4th most all-time for rookie over the first two weeks of his career: behind Cam, Warren Moon, and Luck.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 17, 2018, 07:22:35 AM
Post by: WD40 on September 17, 2018, 07:39:13 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 17, 2018, 09:19:56 AM
532 passing yards for Sam through two weeks.
4th most all-time for rookie over the first two weeks of his career: behind Cam, Warren Moon, and Luck.
And the funny thing is week 1 we had such a blowout lead that we virtually completely abandoned the run game. Only 4 pass attempts in the second half
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 17, 2018, 12:47:58 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 17, 2018, 12:55:33 PM
At the end of the half I'm so used to us kneeling it out and being content down 20-0, Darnold zipped us down the field in like three plays. Unfortunate that we didn't get in, but some of that is on the TE, 89. While the pass was thrown in the field of play, he seemed to be on a beeline into the end zone, how he didn't get in I still don't know. Dropping the ball and picking it back up didn't help him.
The safety made a great play
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 17, 2018, 12:57:27 PM
The safety made a great play
Yeah, reminded me of the Titans-Rams Super Bowl except our guy didn't stick his arm out towards the goal line. Might as well have, if you fumble the half ends anyway.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 17, 2018, 01:00:27 PM
The safety made a great playI'm looking forward to rewatching that play. I don't know if I should be impressed by Herndon's effort to locate the ball after the fumble and have a chance to score, or if I should be insanely frustrated that he had two chances to get the ball over the goalline and failed both times.
I also want to see if that's a throw Darnold should have even made, since throwing the ball in the field of play without a touchdown is a disaster.
Post by: Laxin on September 18, 2018, 08:51:37 PM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24712663/nfl-best-worst-quarterbacks-week-2-2018-season-total-qbr
Post by: Heismanberg on September 18, 2018, 09:14:10 PM
This is pathetic.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24712663/nfl-best-worst-quarterbacks-week-2-2018-season-total-qbr
Seth Walder is an idiot
Post by: Miamipuck on September 18, 2018, 10:46:34 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 19, 2018, 05:03:30 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 26, 2018, 07:08:36 PM
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24806956
And here's a bunch of how Darnold ranks at doing different things
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/77529/inside-look-at-sam-darnolds-start-early-trends-warning-signs
Post by: Heismanberg on September 26, 2018, 07:17:15 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 27, 2018, 10:47:13 AM
Bates is hurting Darnold with his play-calling.
I've vocally expressed not liking the playcalling, but out of curiosity, what would change about it? I've mentioned wanting to stick longer with the run game and use playaction off of it to help, but I think I recall you being against running PA.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2018, 11:42:34 AM
I've vocally expressed not liking the playcalling, but out of curiosity, what would change about it? I've mentioned wanting to stick longer with the run game and use playaction off of it to help, but I think I recall you being against running PA.
I don't like any of the empty sets, whether the ball is coming out quick or not.
The lack of creativity to get Quincy Enunwa and Robby Anderson the ball is frustrating as well. The screen game to Enunwa is decent, but is that really the only way to get him the football? Anderson is basically useless after the catch in the middle of the field. He can't hold on to the football. That doesn't mean he can't help us win football games with deep speed. Bates seems to have some kind of leash on Darnold when it comes to throwing deep. There's no real chances with hitting off of play-action because we can't establish the run and we can't pass protect long enough to get the football deep.
I'd like to see Sam under center more with more emphasis on a power running game. Bates is in love with running outside zone concepts and we just aren't built for that. The inside zone is also very inconsistent.
The zone running scheme is good in theory, but if you can't block it consistently then what's the point? Bates and the running game keep putting our offense in a hole on second and third downs.
We have played a couple of really good defenses back-to-back and we're facing arguably the best of the three on Sunday. Jacksonville's defensive team speed is too good for the zone to work consistently.
I don't like the matchups this week. I think we can hang with JAX, but with what we've been doing so far this season on offense, it just isn't looking good on paper. They are too fast to lose to an offense that wants to run outside zone and throw screens all game.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 27, 2018, 11:45:31 AM
They are too fast to lose to an offense that wants to run outside zone and throw screens all game.
Was just about to ask if you think we'll use a lot of screens vs their rush. We'll probably have a lot of 3rd and longs to work with.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2018, 11:46:30 AM
Was just about to ask if you think we'll use a lot of screens vs their rush. We'll probably have a lot of 3rd and longs to work with.
Telvin Smith and Myles Jack are too fast and too good for that to hurt them consistently.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 27, 2018, 12:15:24 PM
I don't like any of the empty sets, whether the ball is coming out quick or not.
A-freaking-men!
The lack of creativity to get Quincy Enunwa and Robby Anderson the ball is frustrating as well. The screen game to Enunwa is decent, but is that really the only way to get him the football? Anderson is basically useless after the catch in the middle of the field. He can't hold on to the football. That doesn't mean he can't help us win football games with deep speed. Bates seems to have some kind of leash on Darnold when it comes to throwing deep. There's no real chances with hitting off of play-action because we can't establish the run and we can't pass protect long enough to get the football deep.
I'd like to see Sam under center more with more emphasis on a power running game. Bates is in love with running outside zone concepts and we just aren't built for that. The inside zone is also very inconsistent.
The zone running scheme is good in theory, but if you can't block it consistently then what's the point? Bates and the running game keep putting our offense in a hole on second and third downs.
We have played a couple of really good defenses back-to-back and we're facing arguably the best of the three on Sunday. Jacksonville's defensive team speed is too good for the zone to work consistently.
I don't like the matchups this week. I think we can hang with JAX, but with what we've been doing so far this season on offense, it just isn't looking good on paper. They are too fast to lose to an offense that wants to run outside zone and throw screens all game.
I'd add Kearse to the list of "why can't we get this guy the ball" players, but otherwise, I agree.
The only thing about the run is how much of that is Bates' fault? Isn't Dennison's job to coordinate the run attack? Obviously, the buck stops with Bates as far as playcalling, but I wonder how much of the concepts are being pushed on him.
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2018, 12:39:29 PM
I'd add Kearse to the list of "why can't we get this guy the ball" players, but otherwise, I agree.
If you can't establish the run and you don't run any downfield routes, the intermediate passing lanes where Kearse makes his living get very congested.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 27, 2018, 12:43:54 PM
If you can't establish the run and you don't run any downfield routes, the intermediate passing lanes where Kearse makes his living get very congested.
Certainly. What Heismanberg was saying regarding Enunwa and Anderson was there is a lack of creativity to get the ball into their hands, and I was adding to Kearse to that list.
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2018, 12:47:23 PM
Certainly. What Heismanberg was saying regarding Enunwa and Anderson was there is a lack of creativity to get the ball into their hands, and I was adding to Kearse to that list.
Right, but my point was that for Kearse to succeed you need Enunwa and particularly Anderson to be running the kind of routes that will open up space. We don't have the personnel to run a Patriots style dink and dunk offense because Darnold is three games into his career and we don't have a 6'7" 280lb future HOFer drawing the attention of safeties and linebackers through the middle, so unless we force the opposition to either open up the field or commit more men to the box then Kearse is not going to see too many targets.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 27, 2018, 12:56:52 PM
Right, but my point was that for Kearse to succeed you need Enunwa and particularly Anderson to be running the kind of routes that will open up space. We don't have the personnel to run a Patriots style dink and dunk offense because Darnold is three games into his career and we don't have a 6'7" 280lb future HOFer drawing the attention of safeties and linebackers through the middle, so unless we force the opposition to either open up the field or commit more men to the box then Kearse is not going to see too many targets.
It feels like you think we're disagreeing, but we're not.
I guess your greater point is that without getting creative enough to get the ball to Enunwa and Anderson in ways they can succeed, there's no way to make opportunities for Kearse. They're all linked.
To me, it really comes down to a failure to establish themselves on the ground causing the passing attack to be stunted. But even that, I point right at the offensive line. Zone-blocking scheme or not, it's not a very good group.
Post by: Coach K on September 27, 2018, 02:48:23 PM
Long story short : we need a better OL, and we need real playmakers.were essentially loaded with a island of misfit WR2 and WR3 players, a shoddy OL, and playcalling that puts this kid behind the 8ball 50% of the time
the fact that were not asking Darnold to take more shots downfield with Anderson is infuriating. I would rather Darnold be turning the ball over with at least the possible benefit of making big plays.
WR SMOKE SCREEN!? REALLY! FOR THE 4th TIME IN 10 ATTEMPTS!
slants, drags, curls, for god sake i dont think ive seen Darnold throw more than 1 or 2 out routes all year. yes the Out route is also one of the most difficult throws from an arm talent and anticipation perspective, that being said why the freak are we putting training wheels on this kid? might as well have let McCown start if were going to not get aggressive and just accept that this kid will likely throw 18-22 INT's this year regardless of what plays are called.
im just venting, this team needs a true THREAT for Darnold. I dont care if its Noah Fant or A.J. Brown, this kid needs more help. Which brings me to the biggest problem with this offense
THE OFFENSIVE LINE
That game vs Detroit was a fluke. This personnel is not athletic enough to run the blocking scheme. Point blank period. Rick Dennison can suck my balls
Ill gladly eat crow if they can right the ship, and I hope i do. I just see a huge mess of scheme/playcalling and a lack of talent. Darnold will continue to struggle under these circumstances. almost any QB would.
Post by: Pope on September 27, 2018, 02:58:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
slants, drags, curls, for god sake i dont think ive seen Darnold throw more than 1 or 2 out routes all year. yes the Out route is also one of the most difficult throws from an arm talent and anticipation perspective, that being said why the freak are we putting training wheels on this kid? might as well have let McCown start if were going to not get aggressive and just accept that this kid will likely throw 18-22 INT's this year regardless of what plays are called.
I do agree with this, with the caveat that I have sympathy with them trying to give him quick high percentage completions early on, even if it doesn't always turn into first downs and TDs. Giving him two or three games with a restricted playbook to settle into the NFL isn't necessarily a terrible idea, but it's definitely time to open it up a bit now and show some different looks because otherwise it's all too easy for the defense.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2018, 03:35:31 PM
What does TurnOnTheJets think?
“We shoulda drafted Deshaun Watson insteada Jamal Adams!”
Post by: insanity on September 27, 2018, 03:56:22 PM
I'm tired of the screens but they usually work
Its great that youre moving darnold around but it cuts down on the number of options he has - lighten up on this a bit
Can we run the ball inside successfully twice in a row?
Why aren't we throwing the ball deep? - is darnold incapable, is he not on the same page yet with his wrs yet, are wide receivers not getting open, is it because our line is hot garbage, or is Bates just a big hoo-ha.
I'm starting to get frustrated just like the rest of you, but it's early in the season both Bates and darnold are new at this. Let's not sink the ship over 3 games.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2018, 04:18:23 PM
“We shoulda drafted Deshaun Watson insteada Jamal Adams!”
“Should the Jets have drafted Pat Mahomes and Derwin James instead of Darnold and Adams?”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2018, 06:07:37 AM
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Shopping list for every team with a young QB:
Play caller
Protection
Playmakers
Look at the hot teams right now and it's easy to see they've checked all three boxes.
Jeremiah
Post by: Jumbo on September 28, 2018, 06:24:39 AM
Jeremiah
And as of right now, we only have maybe one or two playmakers on that list. Not good.
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2018, 07:52:05 AM
And as of right now, we only have maybe one or two playmakers on that list. Not good.
Yeah but we can't spend any of our cap space on anyone because we have to use it next summer to buy an elite left tackle that's going to somehow magically appear on the FA market.
Post by: MBGreen on September 28, 2018, 08:20:52 AM
Yeah but we can't spend any of our cap space on anyone because we have to use it next summer to buy an elite left tackle that's going to somehow magically appear on the FA market.
How're we going to buy an elite left tackle when we're going to spend 100 million on a HB with 1400+ carries on his resume.
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2018, 08:29:26 AM
How're we going to buy an elite left tackle when we're going to spend 100 million on a HB with 1400+ carries on his resume.
There you go with the imaginary stuff again.
Post by: MBGreen on September 28, 2018, 08:46:30 AM
There you go with the imaginary stuff again.
Just following your lead, daddy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2018, 08:53:59 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 28, 2018, 09:24:38 AM
I agree that the playcalling has been frustrating, but I'm not ready to place blame yet.
I'm tired of the screens but they usually work
Its great that youre moving darnold around but it cuts down on the number of options he has - lighten up on this a bit
Can we run the ball inside successfully twice in a row?
Why aren't we throwing the ball deep? - is darnold incapable, is he not on the same page yet with his wrs yet, are wide receivers not getting open, is it because our line is hot garbage, or is Bates just a big hoo-ha.
I'm starting to get frustrated just like the rest of you, but it's early in the season both Bates and darnold are new at this. Let's not sink the ship over 3 games.
Until I see evidence that they're not at fault, I'm laying the blame for everything else at the feet of the offensive line. The scheme may not fit the personnel, but regardless, they're not an exceptionally talented group.
We've seen that Anderson and Kearse can do things when given opportunities. We're seeing Enunwa prove he's fully recovered. We've seen Powell show ability when he has any space, we know Crowell can run too. I still believe there is enough talent in Pryor (though maybe not enough desire) to be a 1k receiver. Darnold has shown he can make, at the very least, all the short to intermediate throws.
So that leaves playcalling and offensive line as the two biggest factors to the current offensive woes. I certainly have issues with the playcalling, but I think with better protection the playcalling would look better.
That said, Bates has to stop putting Darnold in an empty freaking backfield! Why not just paint a bullseye on his chest while you're at it?
Post by: Laxin on September 28, 2018, 01:20:08 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 28, 2018, 01:53:36 PM
Has Darnold have the ability to change the play at the LOS? I havent paid attention to it, I'll be watching for this Sunday.
He’s definitely been changing some plays pre-snap.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 29, 2018, 03:45:54 AM
That said, Bates has to stop putting Darnold in an empty freaking backfield! Why not just paint a bullseye on his chest while you're at it?
Darnold is, statistically, the best QB in the league in an empty backfield
Post by: insanity on September 29, 2018, 07:18:01 AM
Enunwa, the best WR in the league at catching bubble screens for first downs in an empty backfield
Fyp
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 30, 2018, 07:10:55 AM
That said, Bates has to stop putting Darnold in an empty freaking backfield! Why not just paint a bullseye on his chest while you're at it?See, this I don't care about at all. Spreading the field often makes it easier to read a defense for a young quarterback. Sure, it tips your hand that the play will be a pass, but most of the time we use that formation, it's in a relatively obvious passing situation anyway.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 30, 2018, 09:05:58 AM
See, this I don't care about at all. Spreading the field often makes it easier to read a defense for a young quarterback. Sure, it tips your hand that the play will be a pass, but most of the time we use that formation, it's in a relatively obvious passing situation anyway.
It’s not about reading a defense. It’s about protecting him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 30, 2018, 09:15:17 AM
It’s not about reading a defense. It’s about protecting him.You're better at the X's and O's than I am, but I viewed reading the defense as reading the pass rushers and reading the coverage.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 30, 2018, 09:48:30 AM
You're better at the X's and O's than I am, but I viewed reading the defense as reading the pass rushers and reading the coverage.
Even if Darnold reads the front and the rush correctly, there’s no one to pick up any free rusher.
So he’s having to feel pressure and evade it without anyone there to have his back.
They are putting him in situations where his base and footwork are being impacted more than they need to.
Put an extra blocker back there and help him out. He doesn’t have enough time to make more than two reads behind our line anyway.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 01, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2018, 04:38:02 PM
Post by: reuben on October 01, 2018, 04:41:03 PM
Darnold just barely overthrew Robbie, Quincy, and Powell for big gains
It's almost like he's completely unaccustomed to throwing deep balls in NFL games.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2018, 04:49:04 PM
It's almost like he's completely unaccustomed to throwing deep balls in NFL games.
I would also be willing to bet he was pressured on a few of those throws and didn’t have his feet set. Kinda like every throw all game
Edit: I just got that
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 01, 2018, 04:52:13 PM
Darnold just barely overthrew Robbie, Quincy, and Powell for big gains
I haven't rewatched, but on the Robby overthrow, did Anderson slow down at some point? I feel like I thought he did while watching live.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2018, 05:09:24 PM
I haven't rewatched, but on the Robby overthrow, did Anderson slow down at some point? I feel like I thought he did while watching live.
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1046807890064015361
Post by: Jumbo on October 01, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
It's almost like he's completely unaccustomed to throwing deep balls in NFL games.
Darnold is obviously super young and has time to develop, but wow are people reaching to give him excuses for just missing throws
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 01, 2018, 06:30:15 PM
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1046807890064015361
Okay, thanks. It looks like he unintentionally lost a couple of steps as he looked up and over his shoulder.
Post by: Pope on October 01, 2018, 08:14:02 PM
Okay, thanks. It looks like he unintentionally lost a couple of steps as he looked up and over his shoulder.I thought the same thing in real time. Must have been a weird camera angle or something
Post by: Heismanberg on October 01, 2018, 09:24:23 PM
Jeremy Bates is going to get Darnold Carr'd. 4 weeks into his career and he's already hearing footsteps.
He's not hearing any footsteps from defenders that aren't there. He's facing actual pressure and avoiding on most snaps.
Darnold isn't getting killed out there like David Carr did.
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2018, 09:35:09 PM
He's not hearing any footsteps from defenders that aren't there. He's facing actual pressure and avoiding on most snaps.
Darnold isn't getting killed out there like David Carr did.
I think that's the biggest problem. He's so obsessed with giving Darnold looks where he can see the pressure coming that he's not actually giving him an opportunity to beat it.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 01, 2018, 09:41:53 PM
I think that's the biggest problem. He's so obsessed with giving Darnold looks where he can see the pressure coming that he's not actually giving him an opportunity to beat it.
If whoever the hell is calling plays for Denver can get Case Keenum wide open looks out of boot-action, then Jeremy Bates should be able to make it happen too. He is just failing miserably right now.
The design of his plays and his lack of creativity really hurt this team. He has oversimplified the simplest plays and it's painful to watch.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2018, 07:23:46 AM
If whoever the hell is calling plays for Denver can get Case Keenum wide open looks out of boot-action, then Jeremy Bates should be able to make it happen too. He is just failing miserably right now.
The design of his plays and his lack of creativity really hurt this team. He has oversimplified the simplest plays and it's painful to watch.
I could care less about coaching changes unless something changes with the offense. The number 1 goal this year was to keep Darnold healthy, get him adjusted to the NFL speed, and show signs of progression. He’s getting adjusted to NFL speed and coverages, but the OL has him running from pressure on every dropback and he’s being held back by Bates playcalling/design. If we fire Bowles today but retain Bates Im worried about Darnold in this struggling offense all year.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 02, 2018, 09:55:21 AM
He's not hearing any footsteps from defenders that aren't there. He's facing actual pressure and avoiding on most snaps.
Darnold isn't getting killed out there like David Carr did.
He's not getting killed (yet) because he's adept at improvising on the move. Eventually, that has to take a toll though, doesn't it?
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2018, 11:03:20 AM
The number 1 goal this year was to keep Darnold healthy, get him adjusted to the NFL speed, and show signs of progression.
This. I don't care about the coaches, the record, anything. New England is gong to win the AFC East this year and maybe next, regardless.
Any OTs in the top of the draft this time? #EmbraceTheTankII
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2018, 06:39:45 PM
Post by: reuben on October 07, 2018, 06:48:13 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1049063991983722496
So awesome and I hope to never see it again.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 07, 2018, 07:06:12 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1049063991983722496
Vets will love that excrement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2018, 07:21:22 PM
Vets will love that excrement
Darnold handing out pancake blocks and bags of Tostitos
Post by: mj2sexay on October 07, 2018, 07:22:17 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2018, 07:33:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2018, 09:29:33 PM
So awesome and I hope to never see it again.
Eh, it's fine. He's not exactly committing and diving at the defender's feet, he's giving the DB a push as he's off balance. Pretty much zero risk, and a great heads up play.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 07, 2018, 09:32:21 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1049063991983722496
Its crazy to think how rare it is to see a QB doing something like this.
But id rather see Darnold doing that than seeing him do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQkdDzcXlaU
Post by: Pope on October 07, 2018, 09:39:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2018, 10:12:30 PM
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Sam Darnold has 6 passing TDs of 20+ yards already this year.
Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger had 6 each all of last season. Matt Ryan and Jared Goff had 5. Eli Manning had 4.
Nania
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 09, 2018, 03:11:12 PM
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Sam Darnold has a passer rating of 107.1 on third down. That is fourth in the NFL behind Eli Manning, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Aaron Rodgers. #nyj
Costello
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2018, 05:16:45 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 09, 2018, 06:19:59 PM
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2018, 07:25:16 PM
Can't read it in Europe, what does it say?Sam Darnold had been steadfast in his belief that he was close, that the Jets were close, to putting things together. Which may have sounded a bit tone deaf, given the fact that he and his team looked mostly miserable in last Sunday’s 31-12 loss to the Jaguars.
It was their third straight loss — each one more ineffective than the last — and you wondered if this would be the continuation of a long and mostly painful season for the rookie quarterback.
But give the kid credit. His gut feeling about being on the verge of doing some fine work was spot on, as evidenced by the Jets’ streak-busting 34-16 romp over the Broncos on Sunday at MetLife Stadium.
“Like I said last week, it’s just a matter of time until we click and our offense is [firing] on all cylinders,” Darnold said. “It’s going to be fun to watch us in the next couple of weeks.”
This was about as good an offensive performance as you could want, and not just with Darnold. He threw for a career-high three touchdowns and benefited greatly from a brilliant rushing attack as the Jets piled up a whopping 323 yards, including Isaiah Crowell’s spectacular 77-yard scoring run in the second quarter.
With the Broncos clearly not recovered from last Monday night’s 27-23 home loss to the AFC West rival Chiefs, the Jets took advantage with a relentless rushing attack that opened up the play-action passing game for Darnold. He took advantage, but only after getting past his accuracy problems.
Darnold overthrew Robby Anderson, Bilal Powell and Quincy Enunwa on critical passes in the Jets’ blowout loss in Jacksonville, but he was letter-perfect this time. He hit Anderson in stride on a deep route in the second quarter, and Anderson ran under the ball and easily caught the pass before finishing off a 76-yard touchdown.
Later in the quarter, Darnold dropped a dime to Anderson in the left corner of the end zone for a 35-yard touchdown. He found Terrelle Pryor for a 20-yard touchdown that put the Jets up 34-10 with 5:10 to play in the fourth quarter.
“It was just really fun to be able to go out there and show what we’re all capable of,” said Darnold, who was 10-for-22 for 198 yards, three touchdowns and one interception for a 98.1 rating. His interception came off a pass that was tipped at the line of scrimmage.
“I feel like [Darnold] started to get a little more comfortable,” Anderson said.
It didn’t take long for Anderson to feel that way. As soon as the ball left Darnold’s hand on his first scoring pass, Anderson had no doubt. “I knew it was a touchdown,” he said.
Credit Darnold for remaining unbowed in the face of some early-season adversity. He still has plenty of room to grow, and there are sure to be difficult moments ahead. But for a 21-year-old rookie to make good on his contention that the Jets really were close to putting together a game like this tells you everything you need to know.
“The one thing I can say about Sam from Day 1 is that he’s the same guy that walked in however many months ago,” left tackle Kelvin Beachum said. “Same way he carries himself. Same way he approached the game. Same haircut. Same beard. He hasn’t changed, and I really appreciate that about him.”
How important is it that your quarterback is the same guy, regardless of the circumstances?
“It’s great when you know you come into the locker room — win, lose or draw — and you get the same guy,” Beachum said. “He’s not too high, not too low. He’s even-keeled, and I appreciate that about him.”
It’s what you need from your quarterback. Darnold delivered when his team needed it most. And he thinks there’s a lot more where that came from.
“Any win, we’ll take it,” he said. “I feel like every week in the league is a different challenge and it’s a hard challenge, but we’re capable of winning a lot of games.”
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 10, 2018, 05:14:19 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 10, 2018, 09:11:28 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2018, 09:50:09 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1050013495218057216
Here's the article in more detail:
https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/10/10/17959118/sam-darnold-has-faced-one-of-the-toughest-defensive-schedules-in-the-nfl
Also worth nothing that Football Outsiders currently have the Jets defense ranked 6th in DVOA.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 11, 2018, 02:47:22 AM
Here's the article in more detail:
https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/10/10/17959118/sam-darnold-has-faced-one-of-the-toughest-defensive-schedules-in-the-nfl
Also worth nothing that Football Outsiders currently have the Jets defense ranked 6th in DVOA.
Now I don't know excrement about how they calculate this metrics. But wouldn't it be useful to know how those teams run defenses were as well? As if they're stiffer run defenses it would force Darnold to pass more (which seems to have been the trend anyway)
Post by: Heismanberg on October 11, 2018, 07:56:23 AM
Rosen has been my guy for a long time. Darnold was 2nd. I recently started gravitating more towards Mayfield than Darnold, but I still think Darnold has a chance to be a great player.
Rosen is a bitch
Post by: Johnny English on October 11, 2018, 08:12:06 AM
Now I don't know excrement about how they calculate this metrics. But wouldn't it be useful to know how those teams run defenses were as well? As if they're stiffer run defenses it would force Darnold to pass more (which seems to have been the trend anyway)
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
DET P 29th / R 29th
CLE P 2nd / R 8th
MIA P 5th / R 9th
JAX P 3rd / R 7th
DEN P 18th / R 26th
No team we've played has a better run defense than it does pass defense. (Denver's of course factors in that they gave up about a billion yards on the ground to the Jets, so it's possible that they might have had a higher ranked run D than pass D going into last Sunday's game.)
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2018, 02:15:00 AM
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You may not always see it, but I hate losing more than I like winning.
Deep down, winning is everything to me. I’m not going to show too much emotion, but that’s the way my competitive nature is. It’s that fiery passion I have for the game or my competitiveness in general. Whether it’s a board game or a football game on a Sunday, it’s the same for me.
With that being said, these last four weeks have been challenging. I thought I’ve played okay, but there’s definitely room to grow. I understand it’s a long process. I’m going to continue to grow and develop as a quarterback thanks to the help of many people, including my coach/brother/uncle and everything in between — Josh McCown.
There’s not a whole lot I can put into words and say what I want to say about Josh. He’s someone I look up to as a person. When we watch film, he can be like a brother and a coach at the same time. He’s a hard-nosed dude who will tell me when I’m wrong right away, but then also say, “Hey, buddy, that’s okay, we’ll get back after it tomorrow.” He’s going to get on me when I make a mistake because he knows that’s the best way I learn.
I know Frank Sinatra once said if you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere, and to have Joe Namath, someone who very much so made it here, recognize some talent in me, it really means a great deal to me. That’s really special and something I’m going to hold with me for a long time.
Growing up, I knew I wanted to be a professional athlete, but I wasn’t sure what sport I wanted to play. Whatever season it was, football, basketball or baseball, that’s where my attention drifted. I grew up watching USC legends like Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Carson Palmer, Matt Barkley. You watch quarterbacks slinging it around and winning Super Bowls and MVPs and all that stuff, and to be here is a dream come true.
I thought I handled everything in LA pretty well during my time at ‘SC and I’m just going to continue to be myself here. I think the rest will take care of itself.
Unfortunately, I do believe my signature moment so far was actually the first play of my career. You know, the one that went the other way for six. Funny enough, I actually thought we had a big play until just after I threw it. It sucked. It was a "wow, okay, that just happened" moment.
But the way we bounced back as a team and fought was really special to me and showed our resiliency. We have to continue to find that juice throughout the season even though it can be long and grueling. We’re going to make adjustments when they need to be made and I’m very confident in our team. We’re headed in the right direction.
Now, it’s time to execute and win some games. I can’t wait to play in front of the home crowd for three straight games. Jets fans are amazing.
Our fans deserve it. They deserve wins.
https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/in-my-own-words-sam-darnold-s-start-to-his-jets-career
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2018, 03:14:07 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 14, 2018, 03:52:41 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 14, 2018, 03:54:44 PM
We don’t deserve you Sam :'(Yes we do, stfu.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 14, 2018, 08:20:50 PM
We don’t deserve you Sam :'(
meh, JE is not impressed with sam's letter
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2018, 11:10:30 PM
That drive at the end of the first half was a thing of beauty.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2018, 11:14:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 14, 2018, 11:45:53 PM
meh, JE is not impressed with sam's letterI am impressed with everything about Sam.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2018, 05:34:40 AM
Post by: reuben on October 15, 2018, 09:20:26 AM
And Robby should’ve got that ball for a TD after the interception.
That was another perfect deep shot.
Post by: reuben on October 15, 2018, 09:25:24 AM
I'm still 50/50 as to whether or not this offensive line will ruin him.
The line is starting to improve. One of the reasons I wanted Teddy to start the season was because a new line takes time to gel. I don't think they're the disaster they were through the first four weeks.
That said, I still think their ceiling is average. Especially since our center doesn't know how to snap the ball.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 15, 2018, 11:41:23 AM
The line is starting to improve. One of the reasons I wanted Teddy to start the season was because a new line takes time to gel. I don't think they're the disaster they were through the first four weeks.
That said, I still think their ceiling is average. Especially since our center doesn't know how to snap the ball.
The snaps are bothersome, but Carpenter is moreso. He'll have a great block on one play, and the next he's trying to decide if a cloud looks like an elephant or not. The line is certainly improving, but it definitely needs upgrades.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 15, 2018, 11:42:56 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 15, 2018, 05:38:59 PM
....Evan Silva so you know it’s real
Post by: Johnny English on October 15, 2018, 05:51:35 PM
https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/1051831718662103047
....Evan Silva so you know it’s real
Writing that must have made him feel sick.
Good. Fat Patriot loving queynte.
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2018, 06:50:47 PM
Post by: reuben on October 16, 2018, 09:10:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1051809737107492864?s=09
Pretty insane considering we're two weeks removed from bitching that they weren't taking any deep shots.
Bates reads TJO. Confirmed.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 16, 2018, 10:43:28 PM
LETS freaking GO
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 16, 2018, 10:43:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 16, 2018, 10:44:54 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 16, 2018, 11:29:12 PM
https://twitter.com/patriotssbliii/status/1052374123471605760
LETS freaking GO
My Quarterback
Post by: Libero_2 on October 17, 2018, 05:15:29 AM
https://twitter.com/patriotssbliii/status/1052374123471605760
LETS freaking GO
I know they bleeped out the swear words, but does it sound like the last thing he says is "we're gonna get really freaking good-ish" to anyone else?
Post by: MoreCharacters on October 17, 2018, 06:22:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUsAoEnX720
that's the whole thing, not too much more exciting
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2018, 07:29:40 AM
we're gonna get really freaking good at this excrement, man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUsAoEnX720
that's the whole thing, not too much more exciting
WOOOOOOO
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 17, 2018, 08:44:51 AM
we're gonna get really freaking good at this excrement, man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUsAoEnX720
that's the whole thing, not too much more exciting
LETS GOOOO
*funny he didn't know who the chiropractor was.
Post by: Coach K on October 17, 2018, 09:36:44 AM
LETS GOOOO
*funny he didn't know who the chiropractor was.
lets hope he doesnt know who he is until hes in his 30s
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 17, 2018, 11:35:44 AM
lets hope he doesnt know who he is until hes in his 50s
Fixed
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 17, 2018, 12:38:25 PM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2018, 08:09:27 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on October 18, 2018, 08:40:08 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on October 18, 2018, 08:40:45 PM
36 styles of danger
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2018, 08:13:39 AM
Really solid article from Manish about what Jermaine Kearse is all about. The team put Darnold next to him in the locker room for a reason...
It's pretty crazy to think that our wideout corps is two undrafted guys, a sixth rounder, and a converted quarterback selected in the Supplemental Draft.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 19, 2018, 03:07:39 PM
It's pretty crazy to think that our wideout corps is two undrafted guys, a sixth rounder, and a converted quarterback selected in the Supplemental Draft.
/crapshoot
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2018, 10:14:48 PM
King of New York
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 23, 2018, 11:12:40 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1054752296846934016
https://mobile.twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1054369055812018176
https://mobile.twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1054727645982789632
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 24, 2018, 01:21:28 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 24, 2018, 01:42:30 PM
What has held back Darnold more this season, his OL or his receivers?
Yes.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 24, 2018, 01:46:41 PM
What has held back Darnold more this season, his OL or his receivers?
Seriously though, my opinion since day one and I haven't wavered is that the offensive line is the problem.
Obviously, injuries to WRs haven't helped and there have been some terrible drops, but not giving the QB enough time or ridiculous things like terrible snaps and guys tripping over each others' feet are too big to ignore. We've already seen, even on the move, if Darnold has time, he makes all his throws. But when he's running away or throwing away to avoid pressure, he makes mistakes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2018, 07:27:57 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2018, 12:19:01 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 07, 2018, 12:56:56 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 07, 2018, 01:15:47 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1059921394572713984
freak Jeremy Bates.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 11, 2018, 04:21:23 PM
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Some good news for Jets fans: Sam Darnold does not have a walking boot on in locker room
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 26, 2018, 11:56:33 AM
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Easiest throws attempted, per NFL Next Gen:
1. D.Carr (easiest)
2. A.Luck
3. E.Manning
4. C.Beathard
5. T.Brady
Hardest:
1. J.Rosen (hardest)
2. J.Allen
3. R.Wilson
4. S.Darnold
5. A.Dalton
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Based on several factors: target depth, receiver separation, pressure on QB, etc
Post by: Libero_2 on November 26, 2018, 03:03:31 PM
Lol it's like we want rookies to fail!
Or more likely rookies are making harder stuff harder than it needs to be
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2018, 03:08:41 PM
Lol it's like we want rookies to fail!
Or more likely rookies are making harder stuff harder than it needs to be
Or, rookies are starting on bad teams with bad coaching.
Post by: insanity on November 26, 2018, 03:26:18 PM
Lol it's like we want rookies to fail!Or making bad decisions
Or more likely rookies are making harder stuff harder than it needs to be
Post by: reuben on November 26, 2018, 04:38:47 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 26, 2018, 04:49:56 PM
In all seriousness, what the freak happened to Derek Carr? I've seen quarterbacks get traumatized by big/frequent hits, but that dude is utterly terrified of throwing the ball downfield. Gruden must give him the Clockwork Orange treatment after every interception.
The broken back really killed him
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2018, 11:59:15 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 02, 2018, 06:35:44 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 02, 2018, 06:51:48 PM
Did Darnold dress for the game? I'm traveling, heard game on xm.
No, he was inactive.
Bowles said he could’ve played though. He’s being protected.
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2018, 06:54:48 PM
No, he was inactive.
Bowles said he could’ve played though. He’s being protected.
Put the shrinkwrap back on him, and we'll see you in 2019.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 02, 2018, 08:40:33 PM
Put the shrinkwrap back on him, and we'll see you in 2019.Why? He's 21 and he needs experience. Get him out there. Let him learn now.
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2018, 08:55:39 PM
Why? He's 21 and he needs experience. Get him out there. Let him learn now.Learn what? How an OC can freak up an offensive game plan?
The remaining games are meaningless...the last thing we need is to lose Darnold to an injury that could affect next season.
I’m fine with letting him sit and watch until the next regime takes over.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 02, 2018, 11:21:27 PM
Learn what? How an OC can freak up an offensive game plan?Learn how to read defenses and continue to get adjusted to the speed of the NFL. The more growing pains he can have this year, hopefully the less he will have next year.
The remaining games are meaningless...the last thing we need is to lose Darnold to an injury that could affect next season.
I’m fine with letting him sit and watch until the next regime takes over.
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2018, 07:42:13 AM
Learn how to read defenses and continue to get adjusted to the speed of the NFL. The more growing pains he can have this year, hopefully the less he will have next year.
Not worth the injury risk. He'll learn more under a better coach.
Besides, do you hate Darnold or something? why would you want him playing behind this garbage oline
Post by: bojanglesman on December 03, 2018, 08:58:34 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2018, 09:17:19 AM
I'd rather see Davis Webb at this point than McCown.
Things I care about currently:
-Firing the Coaching staff at some point...whether it's Black Monday or tomorrow, it doesn't matter. Fire them all into the sun.
-Keeping Darnold healthy for the 2019 season
-securing a top 5 pick in the draft
Honorable mention
-Firing the GM, but i'm not sure Christopher Johnson is there yet. I think there's a good chance it happens if we finish 3-13.
Everything else is fluff.
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2018, 10:16:54 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 03, 2018, 10:40:31 AM
I actually have no interest in seeing Davis Webb play.
Likewise. No QB is going to succeed with this playcalling. There seems little point in giving Webb the chance to fail in it, we might as well give more reps to Darnold and let him spend more time getting comfortable under the NFL lights.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 03, 2018, 11:30:00 AM
I actually have no interest in seeing Davis Webb play.I actually have less interest in watching McCown play
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 03, 2018, 11:31:27 AM
Likewise. No QB is going to succeed with this playcalling. There seems little point in giving Webb the chance to fail in it, we might as well give more reps to Darnold and let him spend more time getting comfortable under the NFL lights.
But he’s learning so much watching from the bench - Jets fans the past 3 weeks
Post by: MBGreen on December 03, 2018, 11:44:44 AM
But he’s learning so much watching from the bench - Jets fans the past 3 weeks
He might as well stay on the bench, because if we lose him to a torn ACL, ruptured achilles or some other catastrophic injury in a meaningless game....next year will be a wash too.
And i'm sure we'll attract some amazing coaching candidates if that happens.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 03, 2018, 12:14:05 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 03, 2018, 11:51:43 PM
Not worth the injury risk. He'll learn more under a better coach.No. I want to see our young quarterback play and develop.
Besides, do you hate Darnold or something? why would you want him playing behind this garbage oline
Josh Rosen is playing. The Cardinals stink (as you know).
Josh Allen is playing. The Bills stink and have an even worse offensive line than we do.
Baker Mayfield is playing. The Browns stink.
Lamar Jackson is playing.
Play Sam Darnold. As long as he's healthy, I want him starting every Jets game for the next decade. Benching him because you're worried about him getting hurt is ridiculous.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 04, 2018, 09:11:54 AM
No. I want to see our young quarterback play and develop.
Josh Rosen is playing. The Cardinals stink (as you know).
Josh Allen is playing. The Bills stink and have an even worse offensive line than we do.
Baker Mayfield is playing. The Browns stink.
Lamar Jackson is playing.
Play Sam Darnold. As long as he's healthy, I want him starting every Jets game for the next decade. Benching him because you're worried about him getting hurt is ridiculous.
This.
But if the Browns stink, what do you think of our roster? Mainly offense.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 04, 2018, 12:30:02 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 04, 2018, 12:48:11 PM
But we kept him as our HC to create stability around Sam
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 04, 2018, 01:08:57 PM
Todd Bowles opted to play McCown over a 100% healthy Sam Darnold
But we kept him as our HC to create stability around Sam
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Post by: AlioTheFool on December 04, 2018, 01:33:36 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 04, 2018, 01:34:58 PM
No. I want to see our young quarterback play and develop.
Josh Rosen is playing. The Cardinals stink (as you know).
Josh Allen is playing. The Bills stink and have an even worse offensive line than we do.
Baker Mayfield is playing. The Browns stink.
Lamar Jackson is playing.
Play Sam Darnold. As long as he's healthy, I want him starting every Jets game for the next decade. Benching him because you're worried about him getting hurt is ridiculous.
Let me make this clear...I want Darnold to play too, every game, for the next 20 years.
My issue is that our current offensive coaching staff are a bunch of idiots, our oline is a POS, and the season is essentially over. I agree that getting reps are beneficial for Darnold. I don't think "being concerned" about his health should be disregarded. We're trying to attract competent coaching candidates. I would think having Darnold healthy and ready to go in 2019 is more important in the grand scheme of things. If he suffers a major injury that affects his 2019 season, was it worth it? Serious question...i'm not trying to be an poopchute.
I'm trying to think long term here. I believe the cons outweigh the pros if he starts the rest of 2018.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 05, 2018, 08:13:37 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2018, 12:53:10 PM
I think you have to let him play while there are games to be played, that was the main point of this season anyway. A major injury is always a possibility and concern, you can't live scared. He wants to play, I'll guarantee you he's seen enough of McCown as we have.
Living scared is the best revenge.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 05, 2018, 01:14:28 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
If nothing else let him play a few games in the cold. He's from USC, he's never done that before. Not sure what else he's going to learn from watching McCown, if anything the more he watches him he might start questioning whatever it is he's learned from him so far. I would.
Thankfully Darnold is intelligent and a student of the game. I expect him to flourish in a new offensive system next season.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 05, 2018, 01:19:34 PM
Thankfully Darnold is intelligent and a student of the game. I expect him to flourish in a new offensive system next season.
Same here. Just let him play football, he seems to know what he's doing. He has to know by now his line is garbage and make that adjustment, it's four more games. That's an entire pre-season against real teams that are actually playing for something, in a couple cases at least.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 05, 2018, 01:25:51 PM
Thankfully Darnold is intelligent and a student of the game. I expect him to flourish in a new offensive system next season.
Lol, new =/= good
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 05, 2018, 01:31:46 PM
Lol, new =/= good
We've scored one offensive TD in the last 108 games. I'm thinking we can only improve from here, even if we make up plays in the huddle.
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2018, 01:35:02 PM
Lol, new =/= good
my optimism balloon just popped...thank you sir.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 05, 2018, 01:36:34 PM
my optimism balloon just popped...thank you sir.
I mean, I agree with what you said, but most of us here thought Bates wasn’t a piece of excrement until he actually started calling plays
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2018, 01:37:54 PM
I mean, I agree with what you said, but most of us here thought Bates wasn’t a piece of excrement until he actually started calling plays
I get it.
Bowles has hired 3 OCs that all failed under his watch. I have to believe that our next coach will do a better job, since the bar can't be set any lower than it already is.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 05, 2018, 02:08:19 PM
I get it.
Bowles has hired 3 OCs that all failed under his watch. I have to believe that our next coach will do a better job, since the bar can't be set any lower than it already is.
Paul Hackett
Mike Heimerdinger
Brian Schottenheimer
Tony Sparano
Marty Mornhinweg
Chan Gailey
John Morton
Jeremy Bates
Please stop testing the football gods' patience.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 05, 2018, 02:32:23 PM
Paul Hackett
Mike Heimerdinger
Brian Schottenheimer
Tony Sparano
Marty Mornhinweg
Chan Gailey
John Morton
Jeremy Bates
Please stop testing the football gods' patience.
In fairness, the fans never like the guy who calls the plays. Everyone thought Hackett was an idiot until Chad Pennington took over for Vinny, suddenly the offense worked. Schottenheimer was considered a great young mind when we had guys who could block and catch, when we didn't he suddenly didn't look so smart.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 05, 2018, 03:06:59 PM
In fairness, the fans never like the guy who calls the plays. Everyone thought Hackett was an idiot until Chad Pennington took over for Vinny, suddenly the offense worked. Schottenheimer was considered a great young mind when we had guys who could block and catch, when we didn't he suddenly didn't look so smart.
Hackett was an idiot with Pennington in the dink and dunk offense too. Schotty didn't succeed after leaving here either.
The Jets have had terrible offensive coordinators. You can make arguments about talent, but the coaching has been awful this century.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 05, 2018, 08:33:14 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 05, 2018, 09:13:47 PM
Put Chan Gailey in the ring of honorNo..we Chan’t
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 09, 2018, 05:24:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 10, 2018, 11:57:01 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jetstank/status/1072117562950017024
Elite caption on this post. It’s really apparent when watching again.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 10, 2018, 11:58:54 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 10, 2018, 12:49:50 PM
Watching this team the last few weeks without Darnold were awful. Let’s not do that again.
Assuming (which I am) that Darnold wasn't lying about being fully healthy a couple of weeks ago, yesterday was a huge mark against Bowles. There was zero reason the kid should have sat.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 10, 2018, 12:53:10 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 10, 2018, 03:39:08 PM
Post by: reuben on December 10, 2018, 06:19:11 PM
I completely missed Dozier in the backfield on shotgun during that pass to Enunwa in the red zone.
This was a smart call from Bates. Relatively innovative, too. Wish we had been doing it all season.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 10, 2018, 06:33:18 PM
This was a smart call from Bates. Relatively innovative, too. Wish we had been doing it all season.
essentially embarrassing that we can't even pretend to block 5 on 4, and needed to put Dozier back there.
Props to Dozier, it's got to be a difficult transition from engaging at the snap to handling blocking after a guy has a full head of steam coming at you.
Post by: reuben on December 10, 2018, 07:30:01 PM
essentially embarrassing that we can't even pretend to block 5 on 4, and needed to put Dozier back there.
Much more embarrassing to roll out endless empty sets and then shrug every time the quarterback gets destroyed.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 10, 2018, 08:47:47 PM
Much more embarrassing to roll out endless empty sets and then shrug every time the quarterback gets destroyed.
Oh don't get me wrong. We need to do it. It's a creative solution to a ridiculous problem. It's just not surprising that no one else is doing it/had to do it.
Post by: Johnny English on December 10, 2018, 09:02:59 PM
essentially embarrassing that we can't even pretend to block 5 on 4, and needed to put Dozier back there.
Props to Dozier, it's got to be a difficult transition from engaging at the snap to handling blocking after a guy has a full head of steam coming at you.
In fairness it's good situational football. For a change our coaching team read the issue (Alexander was continually finding the B gap) and did something about it.
As for props to Dozier, he certainly did well but I'm pretty sure he enjoyed himself. He has at least 70lbs and close on 10 years on Alexander, I suspect Dozier had a lot more fun with that role than Alexander's broken old derriere did.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 11, 2018, 12:56:30 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 11, 2018, 11:00:28 AM
That empty set can just get removed from the playbook for the rest of this season.
Every time they use an empty set I want Jeremy Bates to suit up and line up in the shotgun.
In fairness, it has been a lot rarer since early in the season.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 11, 2018, 03:30:00 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 13, 2018, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: insanity on December 13, 2018, 06:13:59 PM
I thought about this today, the one consolation prize we can take from this shitty season is that our rookie quarterback seems to be doing OK despite being on a bad team not like 2009 when our rookie quarterback was thriving BECAUSE of a good team. Things are looking up if the Jets can surround him with some help.
To add to that we shouldn't be discouraged when comparing baker to Sam.
Sam's pass protection has been some of the worst in the league, and Baker has a ton of young talent, especially at runningback, to work with.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2018, 06:18:55 PM
I thought about this today, the one consolation prize we can take from this shitty season is that our rookie quarterback seems to be doing OK despite being on a bad team not like 2009 when our rookie quarterback was thriving BECAUSE of a good team. Things are looking up if the Jets can surround him with some help.
Exactly, which is why I harp on the Maccagnan point so much.
If you keep him, you're committing at least 2 more years to him. You have to give him and the new coach that much unless the team wins zero games next year. If after those 2 years you don't see enough progress you can fire him, but at that point, Darnold's been in the league 3 full years. And suddenly it's a rebuilding team again. That means giving the regime that comes after another 3 years to build it up their way. You've now sacrificed the first 6 years of Darnold's career.
And that's assuming nothing bad happens to ruin him in the meantime, which we know can happen with a shallow roster.
Post by: insanity on December 13, 2018, 07:26:00 PM
Exactly, which is why I harp on the Maccagnan point so much.Thats the only rationale I agree with. Keeping mac means a possible complete overhaul in 2 years.
If you keep him, you're committing at least 2 more years to him. You have to give him and the new coach that much unless the team wins zero games next year. If after those 2 years you don't see enough progress you can fire him, but at that point, Darnold's been in the league 3 full years. And suddenly it's a rebuilding team again. That means giving the regime that comes after another 3 years to build it up their way. You've now sacrificed the first 6 years of Darnold's career.
And that's assuming nothing bad happens to ruin him in the meantime, which we know can happen with a shallow roster.
I'm just more comfortable having a guy who has done a decent job, but has shown good qualities, learn from his mistakes, than hiring a brand new gm who has no mistakes to learn from. Because let's face it, unless we're hiring Reggie McKenzie we're likely to be hiring someone who has never filled the position before.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2018, 07:41:12 PM
Thats the only rationale I agree with. Keeping mac means a possible complete overhaul in 2 years.
I'm just more comfortable having a guy who has done a decent job, but has shown good qualities, learn from his mistakes, than hiring a brand new gm who has no mistakes to learn from. Because let's face it, unless we're hiring Reggie McKenzie we're likely to be hiring someone who has never filled the position before.
Yeah, more than likely we're hiring a green candidate if we fire Maccagnan.
This point has been the crux of my argument all along though. Once Darnold showed he has a real future in this league, it became all about how to build around him. The question obviously comes down to: do you trust Maccagnan enough to let him continue?
I lean (heavily) to the side of: he hasn't done enough to prove to me he won't get fired in 2 years. Given that, I don't want to squander half a decade of Darnold's career betting he'll figure it out.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2018, 07:50:26 PM
Exactly, which is why I harp on the Maccagnan point so much.
If you keep him, you're committing at least 2 more years to him. You have to give him and the new coach that much unless the team wins zero games next year. If after those 2 years you don't see enough progress you can fire him, but at that point, Darnold's been in the league 3 full years. And suddenly it's a rebuilding team again. That means giving the regime that comes after another 3 years to build it up their way. You've now sacrificed the first 6 years of Darnold's career.
And that's assuming nothing bad happens to ruin him in the meantime, which we know can happen with a shallow roster.
In 6 years Sam will be 27, which will still be the beginning of his prime. Let's not pretend like we've got a running back window here. Alex Smith had something like 7 OCs in his first 7 years and still turned out pretty good. I'm not saying that's what we want to do, but he isn't some kind of delicate little flower who can't possibly succeed without the perfect environment.
Much as people like to paint this excrement as a science, it's really not. It's a lot more oily knuckled than that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 13, 2018, 08:02:18 PM
In 6 years Sam will be 27, which will still be the beginning of his prime. Let's not pretend like we've got a running back window here. Alex Smith had something like 7 OCs in his first 7 years and still turned out pretty good. I'm not saying that's what we want to do, but he isn't some kind of delicate little flower who can't possibly succeed without the perfect environment.
Much as people like to paint this excrement as a science, it's really not. It's a lot more oily knuckled than that.
Obviously, none of us knows how things will play out. And there's certainly no magic wand that makes a guy a good GM, so we're taking a chance either way.
The problem with a 6-year swing isn't Darnold's age, it's the effect years of poor personnel picks would have on him. If this team drafts poorly, especially OL and WR, we can be pretty confident that it will hurt Darnold's career growth.
It's a risk to keep Maccagnan and it's a risk to fire him. Which side of the "fire/retain" fence with Maccagnan we sit on is dependent on how much we're willing to credit/discredit him for his picks and signings. We have 4 years of history for him now, and my interpretation of the job he's done is that I don't trust him to fill out the roster. You come down on the other side. We won't know who is right or wrong for at least 3 years.
Post by: MBGreen on December 14, 2018, 07:43:32 AM
In 6 years Sam will be 27, which will still be the beginning of his prime. Let's not pretend like we've got a running back window here. Alex Smith had something like 7 OCs in his first 7 years and still turned out pretty good. I'm not saying that's what we want to do, but he isn't some kind of delicate little flower who can't possibly succeed without the perfect environment.
Much as people like to paint this excrement as a science, it's really not. It's a lot more oily knuckled than that.
He's not a delicate flower, but we also don't want to give him the Mark Sanchez treatment either.
Remember, we don't have the best track record when it comes to developing QBs. So i don't blame Alio or anyone for that matter, if they're a little skeptical.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 14, 2018, 07:51:20 AM
He's not a delicate flower, but we also don't want to give him the Mark Sanchez treatment either.
Remember, we don't have the best track record when it comes to developing QBs. So i don't blame Alio or anyone for that matter, if they're a little skeptical.
Right. I think we’ve all seen Darnold’s capabilities to believe in him as a QB going forward. I think it is blind optimism as a Jets to trust that a new HC, OC/system, OL, and WRs will just seamlessly and successfully fall into place. This organization hasn’t been able to do that over the last few regimes and the current Front Office in particular hasn’t shown me enough to be confident they can build around a QB.
Post by: MBGreen on December 14, 2018, 07:55:19 AM
Right. I think we’ve all seen Darnold’s capabilities to believe in him as a QB going forward. I think it is blind optimism as a Jets to trust that a new HC, OC/system, OL, and WRs will just seamlessly and successfully fall into place. This organization hasn’t been able to do that over the last few regimes and the current Front Office in particular hasn’t shown me enough to be confident they can build around a QB.
If only we hired Anthony Lynn *kicks tin can across the sidewalk*
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 14, 2018, 07:59:30 AM
If only we hired Anthony Lynn *kicks tin can across the sidewalk*
If we had Bosa, Ingram, Derwin James, Melvin Gordon, Keenan Allen, and Philip Rivers, we’d probably be at least .500 and Bowles would be hanging onto his job
#GoodPlayersMatter
Post by: MBGreen on December 14, 2018, 08:19:38 AM
If we had Bosa, Ingram, Derwin James, Melvin Gordon, Keenan Allen, and Philip Rivers, we’d probably be at least .500 and Bowles would be hanging onto his job
#GoodPlayersMatter
I know, i'm just putting my tinfoil hat on.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2018, 09:56:04 AM
I think it is blind optimism as a Jets to trust that a new HC, OC/system, OL, and WRs will just seamlessly and successfully fall into place.
What Jets fan would have any kind of optimism at this point?
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 14, 2018, 11:31:13 AM
What Jets fan would have any kind of optimism at this point?
A drunk one from Canada.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 14, 2018, 12:28:55 PM
What Jets fan would have any kind of optimism at this point?
It doesn't matter what happens this offseason--even if they retain Bowles and Maccagnan.
I'll convince myself between April and August that 2019 is going to be different. Better. And like every other year my wife will roll her eyes and ask me if I'll ever learn.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 14, 2018, 03:09:31 PM
And like every other year my wife will roll her eyes and ask me if I'll ever learn.
I'm all done discussing this excrement with anyone except you guys and the two or three Jet fans I know in real life. If any non Jet fan asks me about the Jets I assume he's breaking balls and my first inclination is to punch him in the face.
Post by: Pope on December 14, 2018, 05:16:44 PM
I think part of being a fan is being optimistic. We don’t have a great track record as a franchise but if you go into every season and every decision with complete pessimism then you’re just being sadistic about the game
What Jets fan would have any kind of optimism at this point?
Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2018, 05:41:57 PM
I think part of being a fan is being optimistic. We don’t have a great track record as a franchise but if you go into every season and every decision with complete pessimism then you’re just being sadistic about the gameBeing a Jets fan is like being a a wife that was previously in an abusive marriage. She may be married to a new guy who would never lay a finger on her, but she still flinches when he walks up to to her a little too fast.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 15, 2018, 08:55:26 AM
Being a Jets fan is like being a a wife that was previously in an abusive marriage. She may be married to a new guy who would never lay a finger on her, but she still flinches when he walks up to to her a little too fast.
I had a dog like that. He got over it but I always wanted to kill whoever had him before.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 16, 2018, 02:56:58 PM
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#Jets top 5 offensive grades from Week 15 (min. 15 snaps):
1. Sam Darnold- 90.3
2. Robby Anderson- 78.1
3. Trenton Cannon- 64.9
4. Andre Roberts- 61.7
5. Spencer Long- 61.2
#JetUp
a King
Post by: Koz on December 17, 2018, 07:29:35 AM
I'm all done discussing this excrement with anyone except you guys and the two or three Jet fans I know in real life. If any non Jet fan asks me about the Jets I assume he's breaking balls and my first inclination is to punch him in the face.Maybe you should stop wearing the kelly-green Sateen jacket if you want to avoid such confrontations, bro.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 17, 2018, 10:28:55 AM
Interesting. To date, I don’t think anyone knew for sure, but this guy seems pretty adamant. Says it again in his next tweet.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 17, 2018, 10:32:03 AM
https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1074395575624368128
Interesting. To date, I don’t think anyone knew for sure, but this guy seems pretty adamant. Says it again in his next tweet.
Browns fans are very salty about Sam Darnold.
I don't know why they don't just shut the hell up and enjoy Mayfield's early success.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 17, 2018, 10:35:39 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 17, 2018, 10:35:59 AM
Browns fans are very salty about Sam Darnold.
I don't know why they don't just shut the hell up and enjoy Mayfield's early success.
I saw a ton of this on twitter Saturday/sunday. They really aren’t used to winning games and don’t know how to handle it
Post by: bojanglesman on December 17, 2018, 10:38:36 AM
Browns fans are very salty about Sam Darnold.No kidding. Doesn't matter who is better, they are both good.
I don't know why they don't just shut the hell up and enjoy Mayfield's early success.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 17, 2018, 10:39:48 AM
Browns fans are very salty about Sam Darnold.
I don't know why they don't just shut the hell up and enjoy Mayfield's early success.
Check out the salt in these replies:
https://twitter.com/jeffduncan_/status/1074405697025163264
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 17, 2018, 11:43:52 AM
Maybe you should stop wearing the kelly-green Sateen jacket if you want to avoid such confrontations, bro.
No way, broheim. The jacket and earring are part of who I am.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 17, 2018, 03:31:42 PM
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Rookie QB teams, rank in average DVOA of opponent defenses
Jets: 1st (hardest)
Bills: 3rd
Cardinals: 16th
Browns: 31st
Oh
Post by: bojanglesman on December 17, 2018, 03:36:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 17, 2018, 05:06:00 PM
S Jamal Adams: Phenomenal, he played phenomenal. He's a competitor I say that every week, he's a bad man and the future is bright for him.
CB Trumaine Johnson: Darnold’s special and you see it. He is special. He has kept us in games for sure.
WR/KR Andre Roberts: We’ve seen it all year, but whenever he gets out of the pocket, running the ball, even throwing it and making plays, scoring touchdown. He’s phenomenal. He’s going to do nothing but get better.
LB Avery Williamson: I feel like he wasn’t playing like a rookie. He was active, moving around, always keeping his eye down the field. He was making plays outside the pocket. He did a great job. I feel like he’s having some good growth later in the season.
RB Eli McGuire: Sam played great. He made plays when it was time to make plays, the receivers made plays when it was time to make plays. A lot of scrambling drills and Sam did a great job of finding the open receiver and getting the ball to them.
CB Buster Skrine: Sam, for a rookie, is definitely advanced. He keeps calm, keeps his composure. He scrambles and finds guys downfield. You don’t see that in rookies. Sam did a great job today.
Texans
HC Bill O’Brien: Great performance. He has a great future in this league. He is a competitor. He didn’t do anything tonight that surprised me, but I will say that his ability to keep plays alive, his ability to take a hit and keep coming, his ability to get the ball down the field — he is a great player.
DL J.J. Watt: I told him he’s a good player. I told him he’s a good player. He ran around all night, made a lot of plays on the run. He can scramble. He can make throws. He’s a good player. And obviously, he’s young and he’s got a great future ahead of him, so I told him he’s a great player and good luck.
Post by: Pope on December 17, 2018, 08:21:46 PM
Jermaine Kearse: yea idk the nibba aight i guess
Post by: Ornstein on December 17, 2018, 09:19:53 PM
I can't recall seeing a QB elevate his team's level of play like this since 06' Chad.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 17, 2018, 11:39:00 PM
https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1074395575624368128I listened to his most recent podcast with Connor Rogers, and they reiterated the same point, that Darnold was always the Jets' guy. They had Josh Allen mocked to the Jets in their first Mock Draft Monday pod.
Interesting. To date, I don’t think anyone knew for sure, but this guy seems pretty adamant. Says it again in his next tweet.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 18, 2018, 02:50:52 PM
Post by: reuben on December 18, 2018, 07:55:21 PM
https://twitter.com/nyj_ndn/status/1075062774496194560
Dude... that's our quarterback.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 18, 2018, 09:24:36 PM
Dude... that's our quarterback.
Better start getting used to it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 18, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
Better start getting used to it.
It’s such a strange feeling
Post by: Libero_2 on December 18, 2018, 10:09:17 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 21, 2018, 02:13:06 PM
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Verified account
@mikerodak
Best Total QBRs since Week 12:
1. Darnold 82.3
2. Brady 80.9
3. Rivers 80.7
4. Roethlisberger 76.7
5. Wilson 76.5
6. Mahomes 75.1
7. Winston 74.4
8. Watson 71.6
9. Wentz 68.9
10. Allen 67.1
12:01 PM - 21 Dec 2018
I don't know who Mike Rodak is and I don't care much for QBR, but fun to post anyway.
Post by: MBGreen on December 21, 2018, 02:41:44 PM
I don't know who Mike Rodak is and I don't care much for QBR, but fun to post anyway.
He's a Bills' beat writer.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 22, 2018, 04:15:47 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2018, 10:00:42 PM
17 TDs and 15 INTs on the season now. It'd be pretty sweet if he throws 3 more against the Pats* to get to 20 TDs on the season.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2018, 10:03:37 PM
Josh Allen has also been derriere lately.
Post by: Jumbo on December 23, 2018, 10:26:02 PM
Josh Rosen has been horrific in Arizona.
Josh Allen has also been derriere lately.
So far it's looking like Baker = Darnold >> Allen = Jackson >> Rosen
Post by: Johnny English on December 24, 2018, 07:21:24 AM
So far it's looking like Baker = Darnold >> Allen = Jackson >> Rosen
Dunno about that, Jackson looks a lot better than Allen on the limited bits I've seen.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 24, 2018, 07:26:44 AM
Josh Rosen has been horrific in Arizona.
Josh Allen has also been derriere lately.
That move just does not work for the Cardinals.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 24, 2018, 07:31:48 AM
So far it's looking like Baker = Darnold >> Allen = Jackson >> Rosen
I do think Baker has been quite a bit better than Darnol this year and his stats strongly support that. But he's older more experienced and has a substantially better supporting cast and hasn't had injury problems.
That said I think Darnold has a lot more opportunities to improve than Mayfield, but both fan bases should be thrilled
Post by: bojanglesman on December 24, 2018, 07:36:35 AM
Dunno about that, Jackson looks a lot better than Allen on the limited bits I've seen.I frankly haven't watched Jackson play much, but it seems he is succeeding because teams haven't figured out how to keep him from running all over them. Sooner or later the league will figure out how to make him win with his arm, and he isn't good doing that. He's a running QB and running QBs don't survive long in the NFL. He may have a chance to do some damage in the next year or 2 though just by running all the time. He'll, he may go pretty far this year. I wouldn't want to play the Ravens or Seahawks in the playoffs despite their records.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 24, 2018, 03:23:28 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2018, 08:48:01 AM
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Over Sam Darnold's three-game hot streak, here's how well the Jets have helped him out with 1st/2nd down rushing:
Week 14: 29th (2.5)
Week 15: 29th (2.3)
Week 16: 30th (2.5)
Weeks 14-16: 32nd (2.4)
Sign Bell and iOL
“Comparing this to the much-discussed potential Jets target: From 2015-17, Le'Veon Bell averaged below 3.0 YPC in only one game”
-Nania
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2018, 08:55:28 AM
None of this matter if the defense gives up 40 points again. The Jets can't be expected to put up 40 today. Darnold is going get intercepted all day long if he's behind big and having to take chances.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 31, 2018, 11:31:10 AM
This pleases me.
Post by: insanity on December 31, 2018, 12:02:10 PM
Sam finished with more TDs than INTs.Curious how it compares to our predictions
This pleases me.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 31, 2018, 12:26:54 PM
Post by: insanity on January 01, 2019, 09:28:09 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 01, 2019, 09:38:12 AM
Fun fact the only starting QBs with less fumbles than Darnold is bradyYou are mistaken. According to all the experts fumbling is a problem that cannot be corrected.
Post by: insanity on January 01, 2019, 01:03:56 PM
You are mistaken. According to all the experts fumbling is a problem that cannot be corrected.Luckily darnold started holding the ball with his dick this year. BIG improvemenr
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 01, 2019, 04:47:25 PM
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Sam Darnold won’t pick the next Jets coach, but he will be involved in the search.
The Jets believe Darnold’s presence is a big reason their coaching vacancy is one of the most attractive openings in the NFL. His presence is also a reason the Jets are expected to hire an offensive coach to replace Todd Bowles, whose strength was defense.
“I would like the potential head coaches that come in here to spend a little time with him just so they get a feel for Sam,” Jets general manager Mike Maccagnan said. “One of the attractive parts of our job is that we have good young players.”
...just let Sam pick.
Post by: insanity on January 01, 2019, 09:38:11 PM
...just let Sam pick.This is good. For some reason organizations never do this. I don't get why
Post by: dcm1602 on January 01, 2019, 09:43:16 PM
This is good. For some reason organizations never do this. I don't get why
Not sure if youre kidding or not
But unless youre talking about a fully established legit HOF qb at or near the peak of his career (ie someone like Peyton or Rodgers) you absolutely dont want one player to be the primary decider on things they know limited to nothing about.
Post by: Laxin on January 02, 2019, 06:41:21 AM
Not sure if youre kidding or not
But unless youre talking about a fully established legit HOF qb at or near the peak of his career (ie someone like Peyton or Rodgers) you absolutely dont want one player to be the primary decider on things they know limited to nothing about.
Well he certainly won't be the primary decider, but I think its a pretty good idea for both parties to see how they interact and mesh together. The coaches entire fate with the Jets is based solely on the success of Sam, and vice versa. He may have limited knowledge as far as the NFL goes, but compatibility as far as personalities is pretty important and doesn't take a 10 year vet to offer judgement.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2019, 08:06:34 AM
This is good. For some reason organizations never do this. I don't get why
It happens in basketball, usually on the down low, with varied results.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 02, 2019, 10:44:22 AM
It happens in basketball, usually on the down low, with varied results.
the only players that i can think of that have actually been able to do something like this are lebron james and dwight howard
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 02, 2019, 11:01:37 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2019, 11:15:32 AM
the only players that i can think of that have actually been able to do something like this are lebron james and dwight howard
Not sure if Magic picked Riley but he was instrumental in getting rid of Westhead. Same with Jordan and Phil Jackson/Doug Collins.
It makes more sense there because one guy can make a lot bigger difference in basketball than any other sport.
Post by: insanity on January 02, 2019, 12:35:30 PM
Determining whether the franchise QB has an early rapport with an incoming head coach before hiring him? What kind of crazy mixed up world are we living in? Everyone knows the best strategy is just to pick someone at random and tell your star players to just get on board.Crazy idea right
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2019, 09:20:24 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/raBbE1fizfZGE/200w.gif)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2019, 09:30:28 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on January 02, 2019, 10:34:14 PM
and on at least a few of the others he's standing up defenders protecting sam
starting to think that he actually is really good
Post by: Libero_2 on January 02, 2019, 10:43:01 PM
So much Terrelle Pryor. Get this man a freaking receiverand yet we cut his derriere mid season.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2019, 02:54:34 AM
and yet we cut his derriere mid season.
No one holds onto him and his last team was excited to hit him and punk him during the joint practice. I think we're better off without him.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 03, 2019, 09:42:04 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/nfl/status/1080598295674638336
(https://media.giphy.com/media/raBbE1fizfZGE/200w.gif)
I never really paid a lot of attention on a week-to-week basis, but holy excrement does he sell that shoulder fake.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2019, 09:05:43 PM
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Darnold to Fans: You’re awesome. You can really give it to us when we’re not playing well, but I love that. It really fires me up & makes me want to play better... It makes it fun to go out there & play football because you’re really invested in this team, in this organization.
SAM KNOWS MY NAME
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2019, 04:17:20 PM
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Michael_Nania:
Sam Darnold passer rating to top targets this season:
Chris Herndon - 127.1
Robby Anderson - 92.8
Quincy Enunwa - 66.5
Jermaine Kearse - 49.3
Good riddance, Jermaine Kearse
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 01:00:36 PM
Extrapolated to a 16 game season that comes to:
3526 yards, 21 TD, 18 INT
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2019, 01:03:50 PM
64% Comp, 3724 Yards, 24 TD, 4 INT, 7.45 Y/A
Post by: Johnny English on January 10, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
68.6% comp, 5456 yards, 48 TDs, 0 INTs.
Greatest rookie season in the history of the NFL.
Post by: insanity on January 10, 2019, 01:50:31 PM
If we take the Green Bay game and extrapolate it to a 16 game season:What if we extrapolate the vikings game?
68.6% comp, 5456 yards, 48 TDs, 0 INTs.
Greatest rookie season in the history of the NFL.
Better/Worse than Nate Peterman?
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2019, 10:45:02 AM
I would be OK with this.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 20, 2019, 01:37:36 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-sports-sam-darnold-peyton-manning-gase-20190118-story.html
I would be OK with this.
Obviously this sounds great. But it also sounds like an entire article designed to make quotes about nothing sound like something.
Post by: insanity on January 20, 2019, 03:01:41 PM
Obviously this sounds great. But it also sounds like an entire article designed to make quotes about nothing sound like something.Thats exactly what it is. Gase talked about how he has a close relationship with Manning. Manish turned it into Manning will coach Darnold
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 24, 2019, 10:48:32 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 24, 2019, 01:24:09 PM
VP Darnold
Change you can believe in.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 01, 2019, 07:51:08 PM
Rough N Rowdy is an amateur boxing event hosted by barstool that features rednecks and college kids beating the hell out of each other. This one is in Atlanta
Post by: Libero_2 on February 01, 2019, 08:10:47 PM
“Sam Darnold is with Josh Allen at Rough and Rowdy right now“
Rough N Rowdy is an amateur boxing event hosted by barstool that features rednecks and college kids beating the hell out of each other. This one is in Atlanta
Qnly reason I would care is if Sam is competing. Assuming he’s not, I don’t care
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 01, 2019, 08:48:35 PM
Post by: Pope on February 02, 2019, 08:29:28 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 02, 2019, 08:31:18 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 02, 2019, 03:28:22 PM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2crx99i.jpg)
classic herby white boy stance
they're both losers
picture looks weird. it's either the volume in sam's hair that's throwing everything off, or one of allen being closer to 6'3/sam being closer to 6'5
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 02, 2019, 05:45:31 PM
classic herby white boy stance
they're both losers
picture looks weird. it's either the volume in sam's hair that's throwing everything off, or one of allen being closer to 6'3/sam being closer to 6'5
Every pic I saw from that event with them was throwing me off, Darnold looked as tall as or taller than Allen
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 02, 2019, 06:28:58 PM
Every pic I saw from that event with them was throwing me off, Darnold looked as tall as or taller than Allen
he came into the season as a 20 year old. growth plates usually finalize 'closing' off around 21 or so, so maybe sam was still growing between now and then.
Post by: Johnny English on February 12, 2019, 11:39:01 AM
Between Weeks 14-17 this season, #Jets Sam Darnold finished with a 87.7 overall grade which ranked 1st among QB's with a minimum of 100 dropbacks. #JetUp
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2019, 10:32:20 AM
Franchise QB
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2019, 10:47:36 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2019, 07:10:45 AM
WR: 73.9
TE: 81.2
RB: 31.2
Post by: Heismanberg on April 08, 2019, 12:50:41 PM
Let’s hope he takes another step forward
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 08, 2019, 12:53:21 PM
Sam Darnold arrived at team facilities this morning with his boi Deontay Burnett
Let’s hope he takes another step forward
The offensive staff had no idea how to use him or get him in the game last year despite being one of our most effective receivers. I’m sure Gase saw the chemistry between him and Sam show up on film. Let’s Go.
Post by: MBGreen on April 08, 2019, 01:04:22 PM
Sam Darnold arrived at team facilities this morning with his boi Deontay Burnett
Let’s hope he takes another step forward
Deontay Burnett is Sam Darnold's version of Stevie Janowski
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 08, 2019, 01:13:12 PM
Deontay Burnett is Sam Darnold's version of Stevie Janowski
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/qyX9oq2ZmsPwk/giphy.gif)
Post by: MBGreen on April 08, 2019, 01:17:11 PM
Post by: Ornstein on April 08, 2019, 03:11:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2019, 09:41:54 AM
Post by: reuben on April 13, 2019, 10:47:05 AM
https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1116794673501052928
Deadly accurate, that Josh Allen.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 14, 2019, 02:02:10 PM
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In 2018 Sam Darnold had to face 6 of the league's top 7 pass defenses in lowest opponent passer rating allowed. 5 of those 6 games were on the road
- Nania
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 15, 2019, 01:07:26 PM
Inept organization.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 15, 2019, 01:30:09 PM
2 GM’s, 2 HC’s, and 2 OC’s in his first 2 years.
Inept organization.
Peyton Manning assures you everything's going to be fine.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 24, 2019, 09:28:38 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 14, 2019, 08:30:59 AM
#savage
Post by: delavan on June 14, 2019, 12:23:49 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 14, 2019, 12:49:01 PM
^ comp. pct. 66.6%
well done
Post by: dcm1602 on June 15, 2019, 05:04:54 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 15, 2019, 05:06:48 PM
I know Darnold is a young buck, but I'm not convinced if those 3 are 18
already an improvement from sanchez
Post by: Johnny English on June 15, 2019, 07:25:27 PM
I know Darnold is a young buck, but I'm not convinced if those 3 are 18Even if they're 16, if he fucks all three at the same time it's the same as banging a 48 year old so he's good.
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 16, 2019, 01:46:16 PM
Even if they're 16, if he fucks all three at the same time it's the same as banging a 48 year old so he's good.
Patriots have filed a complaint and seek a league investigation.
Post by: MoreCharacters on June 16, 2019, 02:13:52 PM
Post by: WD40 on June 21, 2019, 02:39:00 PM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-the-jets-duo-of-sam-darnold-and-robby-anderson-was-one-of-the-best-down-the-stretch-of-the-2018-season
Post by: dcm1602 on June 21, 2019, 10:31:55 PM
Anyone needing to bust a nut ... this should take care of you.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-the-jets-duo-of-sam-darnold-and-robby-anderson-was-one-of-the-best-down-the-stretch-of-the-2018-season
Just had to check because I couldn't remember that far back. But 3 of those 4 games were 1 score games too. So it's not like the Jets were in a position where they could play super conservatively and only make smart easy passes.
Though from what I can remember and the stats tell, Sam didn't do much vs new England and Buffalo. So he basically had two killer games against green Bay and Houston jacking up his rating, which still is very promising
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 21, 2019, 12:57:56 PM
Post by: insanity on July 21, 2019, 05:00:11 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/07/21/sam-darnold-sounds-off-on-playoffs-and-catching-patriots/amp/Losing 3% body fat is gonna help the scootin
Post by: Libero_2 on July 21, 2019, 06:17:02 PM
Losing 3% body fat is gonna help the scootin
Should improve his speed/escapability in the pocket a smidge. I just hope to see Sam become a quicker decisions maker that gets the ball out on time and in the right spot most of the time.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 05, 2019, 03:55:01 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27327995/jets-think-darnold-arm-stronger-last-year%3fplatform=amp
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 05, 2019, 07:21:04 PM
A bit of a puff piece but apparently the Jets think Darnold arm strength has improved from last year to this yearI mean it is a much different offseason. Last year he needed to throw a ton in the offseason in front of teams. Now he doesnt need to do nearly as much throwing, so he should be fresher.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27327995/jets-think-darnold-arm-stronger-last-year%3fplatform=amp
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 28, 2019, 02:42:27 PM
Post by: insanity on August 28, 2019, 09:41:53 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1166784847974752256?s=21Someone on reddit commented on 1JD that someone should turn jim dancing into a gif.
Looks like the social team 1upped him
Post by: Badger on September 23, 2019, 05:00:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1176211475599376385?s=09
Post by: Ornstein on September 23, 2019, 06:01:32 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2019, 10:12:29 AM
Asked Gase how he prevents a player slipping & making contact with Darnold’s spleen
“Don’t slip”
- Hughes
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2019, 10:17:00 AM
Sam Darnold is still not lifting. Doctors are monitoring him every day.
Adam Gase says Sam Darnold's cutoff for deciding if he'll play will be Sunday.
Will undergo more tests on Friday.
Post by: insanity on October 02, 2019, 10:20:43 AM
Sam Darnold is still not lifting. Doctors are monitoring him every day.He's playing. If he was at major risk for injury they would know by now. This is strategic.
Adam Gase says Sam Darnold's cutoff for deciding if he'll play will be Sunday.
Will undergo more tests on Friday.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2019, 11:07:11 AM
Sam Darnold will practice fully today for #Jets. Players just can’t touch him.
As opposed to the game, where he gets hit every play.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2019, 11:36:43 AM
Sam Darnold is still not lifting. Doctors are monitoring him every day.
Adam Gase says Sam Darnold's cutoff for deciding if he'll play will be Sunday.
Will undergo more tests on Friday.
I would think this means Darnolds not playing were just going to do the typical nonsense where we dick them around playing mind games.
Regardless at this point if we do start him I think it means our HC and GM are both freaking morons. The dude still can't lift and it's 4 days before a game. Don't play him
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2019, 11:39:40 AM
I would think this means Darnolds not playing were just going to do the typical nonsense where we dick them around playing mind games.To be fair, I don't think 3 weeks of not lifting is really going to destroy him and his strength.
Regardless at this point if we do start him I think it means our HC and GM are both freaking morons. The dude still can't lift and it's 4 days before a game. Don't play him
I don't think anyone knows if Darnold is playing. Gase doesn't know. Darnold doesn't know. Fans don't know. Doctors don't know. Anything else is speculation and guesswork.
Speaking of guesswork, I'm going to guess he doesn't play this week just because it seems like he would have been cleared by now if he were playing. That said, the way he's practicing today, if he's cleared before Sunday morning, he will play.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2019, 11:39:57 AM
The dude still can't lift and it's 4 days before a game. Don't play him
With you there.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 02, 2019, 11:45:58 AM
Personally I think they should make Hennessy the center and snap to Darnold in punt formation to give him maximum time to get rid of the ball. I figure a good 15 yard clearance should do the trick.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2019, 12:33:01 PM
If he plays, the game plan will be 99% short screens, check downs, dumpoffs and handoffs. He doesn't need to get hit a lot and our line sucks.
Personally I think they should make Hennessy the center and snap to Darnold in punt formation to give him maximum time to get rid of the ball. I figure a good 15 yard clearance should do the trick.
Or cut to the chase and punt on first down.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2019, 12:37:25 PM
Cimini
I did not believe Darnold had a shot in Hell of playing before today. Now? If he gets clearance, I’d be stunned if he doesn’t #Jets
Hughes
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2019, 01:04:14 PM
To be fair, I don't think 3 weeks of not lifting is really going to destroy him and his strength.
I don't think anyone knows if Darnold is playing. Gase doesn't know. Darnold doesn't know. Fans don't know. Doctors don't know. Anything else is speculation and guesswork.
Speaking of guesswork, I'm going to guess he doesn't play this week just because it seems like he would have been cleared by now if he were playing. That said, the way he's practicing today, if he's cleared before Sunday morning, he will play.
3 weeks of not lifting, jogging, practicing
Probably lost more than a few pounds. He's playing against elite athletes that are freaking 300 pound monsters. At this level I think anything makes a big difference
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2019, 01:04:46 PM
If he plays, the game plan will be 99% short screens, check downs, dumpoffs and handoffs. He doesn't need to get hit a lot and our line sucks.
Personally I think they should make Hennessy the center and snap to Darnold in punt formation to give him maximum time to get rid of the ball. I figure a good 15 yard clearance should do the trick.
This will be the same game plan week 17 as well if I had to guess
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2019, 01:07:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2019, 01:19:21 PM
3 weeks of not lifting, jogging, practicing
Probably lost more than a few pounds. He's playing against elite athletes that are freaking 300 pound monsters. At this level I think anything makes a big difference
I think you're overestimating the impact that three weeks of not training will have had. He'll be lacking some of the game tuning, but it's not like he's dropped to 180lbs. The playbook isn't exactly stuffed with designed runs anyway so they're not going to have to change much.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2019, 01:27:37 PM
The playbook isn't exactly stuffed with designed runs anyway so they're not going to have to change much.
I heard we're doing more plays, that should help.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2019, 04:26:45 PM
I think you're overestimating the impact that three weeks of not training will have had. He'll be lacking some of the game tuning, but it's not like he's dropped to 180lbs. The playbook isn't exactly stuffed with designed runs anyway so they're not going to have to change much.
No designed runs, but behind this OL he will be running for his life everyplay. With a poor line and being a very inexperienced QB I think the cumulative effects could very well add up. Especially if he's getting hit early and often
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2019, 04:35:16 PM
No designed runs, but behind this OL he will be running for his life everyplay. With a poor line and being a very inexperienced QB I think the cumulative effects could very well add up. Especially if he's getting hit early and often
I realise I sound like a stuck record here, but Siemian and Falk make this line worse. They don't read the defense, they don't make adjustments or audibles, they don't feel pressure, and they don't see the open looks early enough. Sam may be younger and less experienced but he's on a different level to both of them, and the line will look different with him calling the LOS.
If he's fit he has to play.
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2019, 06:55:24 PM
Post by: Laxin on October 02, 2019, 07:04:39 PM
If he's fit he has to play.
100%. If he’s cleared he has to play. Everyone has to stop pretending they’re MD’s and let the doctors make the decisions.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2019, 08:39:03 PM
100%. If he’s cleared he has to play. Everyone has to stop pretending they’re MD’s and let the doctors make the decisions.
Doctors should decide which players play?
They're able to decide if he's medically safe to play. Not whether he's in GameDay shape
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2019, 09:33:10 PM
Doctors should decide which players play?I'm sorry but a doctor would know more about that, too.
They're able to decide if he's medically safe to play. Not whether he's in GameDay shape
If doctors clear him, he should play. It is simple. He practiced today so even if he had some rust, this should shake some of it off.
Was Luke Falk in game shape? Was Jay Cutler in game shape whe he was brought into Miami?
If he is clearly weakened, hopefully coaches can recognize that. But beyond that, play him if the docs let him.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2019, 10:09:00 PM
I'm sorry but a doctor would know more about that, too.
If doctors clear him, he should play. It is simple. He practiced today so even if he had some rust, this should shake some of it off.
Was Luke Falk in game shape? Was Jay Cutler in game shape whe he was brought into Miami?
If he is clearly weakened, hopefully coaches can recognize that. But beyond that, play him if the docs let him.
But the reality is jsut because he's cleared, the bare minimum to medically not be expected to die from a ruptured spleen during a game , is it worth putting your young franchise QB in during a lost season with a poor offensive line at anything less than 100%?
If the dudes 100% you absolutely have to play him. If the playoffs are on the line you have to play him. But there's literally a 0 chance of him being close to 100% and our playoff chances aren't much better than that.
It's just flat out stupid honestly. Give the guy another week let him at least get a full week of full workouts and practice in. The Jets have 13 games left this season, it's okay if he misses 1 more so he can recover from mono
Post by: Laxin on October 02, 2019, 10:37:10 PM
But the reality is jsut because he's cleared, the bare minimum to medically not be expected to die from a ruptured spleen during a game , is it worth putting your young franchise QB in during a lost season with a poor offensive line at anything less than 100%?
If the dudes 100% you absolutely have to play him. If the playoffs are on the line you have to play him. But there's literally a 0 chance of him being close to 100% and our playoff chances aren't much better than that.
It's just flat out stupid honestly. Give the guy another week let him at least get a full week of full workouts and practice in. The Jets have 13 games left this season, it's okay if he misses 1 more so he can recover from mono
Why is this a lost season? We’re 0-3, not 0-9. Everyone on this board expected the Jets to start 2-4 or 1-5, with 3-3 being a pipe dream. The second half of the schedule is significantly easier, anything can happen. No reason to give up on the season after 3 weeks. Why even watch?
I’m as big of a Darnold fan as anyone, but the truth of the matter is the jury is still somewhat out on him. No one truly knows if he’s a franchise QB, he still has to prove it on the field. Everyone though Sanchez was the guy, but we know how that turned out. It seems like a really bad idea that assumes a lot to propose sitting Sam based on the belief that not playing in games is actually beneficial for him.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2019, 11:08:34 PM
If Darnold plays its because we rushed him back. Whether that's worth it or not is debatable, but I think it's ridiculous
A team hasn't started the season 0-3 and made the playoffs in 20 years. The statistical odds of doing so is 2.8%
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2019, 11:22:00 PM
It's not not playing him that's beneficial. It's not rushing him back from mono to play in a game where the opposing team is favored by 3 scores, even though Darnold has basically been bed bound for a month and still isn't cleared for contact just a few days before the game.If Darnold plays it is because hes healthy. You have no idea if he would have been rushed back or not. None of us have any idea. To think you know otherwise is wrong.
If Darnold plays its because we rushed him back. Whether that's worth it or not is debatable, but I think it's ridiculous
A team hasn't started the season 0-3 and made the playoffs in 20 years. The statistical odds of doing so is 2.8%
I view him being cleared for contact as him being 100%. The Jets seem to agree. Nobody wants Dadnold reinjured.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 03, 2019, 12:22:16 AM
If Darnold plays it is because hes healthy. You have no idea if he would have been rushed back or not. None of us have any idea. To think you know otherwise is wrong.
I view him being cleared for contact as him being 100%. The Jets seem to agree. Nobody wants Dadnold reinjured.
So you think a guy is going to go from not being able to jog, practice, or workout for close to a month. And then the day he's cleared for full activity he's instantly 100%?
That's some optimism
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 03, 2019, 01:56:43 AM
A team hasn't started the season 0-3 and made the playoffs in 20 years. The statistical odds of doing so is 2.8%
?? It happened last season
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 03, 2019, 07:30:43 AM
So you think a guy is going to go from not being able to jog, practice, or workout for close to a month. And then the day he's cleared for full activity he's instantly 100%?He literally just practiced yesterday.
That's some optimism
He is practicing today.
He is going to practice tomorrow.
In your expert opinion, how many weeks does he need to practice until you view him as 100%?
Post by: bojanglesman on October 03, 2019, 07:33:26 AM
Post by: insanity on October 03, 2019, 07:48:31 AM
Wonder if they will put him in one of those flak jackets like Steve McNair used to wear when he broke his ribs.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/KkaCYAbceftwA/giphy.webp)
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 03, 2019, 07:58:26 AM
Wonder if they will put him in one of those flak jackets like Steve McNair used to wear when he broke his ribs.
McNair died. I want Darnold to play and to live until at least next December.
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2019, 08:20:25 AM
McNair died. I want Darnold to play and to live until at least next December.As long as mono girl doesn't get a gun he should be OK.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2019, 01:10:05 PM
Though Darnold was diagnosed three weeks ago, the team believes he may have had mononucleosis for two weeks prior to that. Darnold began to not feel well at the end of August but thought it was a normal illness and played through it, including the Week 1 loss to the Bills on Sept. 8. It was not until three days after that game that he was diagnosed with mono. Some have questioned whether the Jets are rushing him back, but if he has had the condition for five weeks, it makes more sense that he could be ready to return this week.
NY Post
Post by: MBGreen on October 03, 2019, 01:20:24 PM
Darnold wore a red jersey in practice Wednesday, signaling he was not to be touched by defenders. Quarterbacks are not hit anyway in practice, but the Jets took the extra precaution of putting him in red. He also wore heavy padding underneath his regular pads to protect his spleen.
Though Darnold was diagnosed three weeks ago, the team believes he may have had mononucleosis for two weeks prior to that. Darnold began to not feel well at the end of August but thought it was a normal illness and played through it, including the Week 1 loss to the Bills on Sept. 8. It was not until three days after that game that he was diagnosed with mono. Some have questioned whether the Jets are rushing him back, but if he has had the condition for five weeks, it makes more sense that he could be ready to return this week.
NY Post
just don't die, Sam.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 03, 2019, 02:39:52 PM
just don't die, Sam.
This is now the theme of our 2019 season.
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2019, 08:41:05 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 04, 2019, 07:49:49 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 04, 2019, 08:08:05 AM
Spoken like a QB getting familiar with being a Jet.Yeah. Hopefully we'll find out that his o-line is the real threat to his life, not his spleen.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 04, 2019, 08:27:42 AM
Yeah. Hopefully we'll find out that his o-line is the real threat to his life, not his spleen.
I mean the spleen is easier to fix...
Post by: bojanglesman on October 04, 2019, 09:27:39 AM
I mean the spleen is easier to fix...Massive, acute hemorrhage isn't to be taken lightly. But, sadly, it's clearly more likely to be repaired successfully than our offensive line.
Post by: MBGreen on October 04, 2019, 09:30:04 AM
Massive, acute hemorrhage isn't to be taken lightly. But, sadly, it's clearly more likely to be repaired successfully than our offensive line.
just rub some dirt on it.
let's go win some games.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 04, 2019, 10:10:17 AM
Massive, acute hemorrhage isn't to be taken lightly. But, sadly, it's clearly more likely to be repaired successfully than our offensive line.
excrement I was just referring to his spleen being enlarged from mono.
But yes a ruptured spleen is likely easier to fix than our OL as well.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 04, 2019, 11:09:50 AM
just rub some dirt on it.
let's go win some games.
LOL turf field tho.
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2019, 07:05:49 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191007/200eec103a7ea9121717a6be4cb40770.jpg)
Post by: Miamipuck on October 06, 2019, 07:43:45 PM
Darnold upon being cleared to play:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191007/200eec103a7ea9121717a6be4cb40770.jpg)
Oh no
Post by: Heismanberg on October 06, 2019, 08:41:24 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 08, 2019, 10:52:46 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2019, 10:53:34 AM
Sam got the green light to play this Sunday....per Costello
We're going to Ricks!
Post by: dcm1602 on October 08, 2019, 11:02:55 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 08, 2019, 11:14:46 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 08, 2019, 11:37:27 AM
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2019, 11:38:26 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2019, 03:20:28 PM
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini
Sam Darnold: “I’m not in danger anymore.” #Jets
I feel like Sam might have not been watching our offensive line play for the last few weeks.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 10, 2019, 03:25:28 PM
I feel like Sam might have not been watching our offensive line play for the last few weeks.
Yeah, this might be the most danger he's ever been in.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 12, 2019, 07:18:46 AM
The team realizes how bad our OL is and the solutions to give Sam Armour
Post by: dcm1602 on October 12, 2019, 12:35:15 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on October 12, 2019, 08:24:19 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 12, 2019, 09:21:56 PM
So Sam and Fales? Those are our two QBs?Nope, just Sam. The other guy is a cardboard placeholder.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 13, 2019, 12:46:23 AM
Nope, just Sam. The other guy is a cardboard placeholder.
Basically this.
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2019, 09:07:57 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 14, 2019, 09:53:15 AM
You could watch from almost overhead how Darnold was able to maneuver effortlessly in the pocket when people all around him. Obviously our offensive line is not the greatest support staff at this point, but Donald was ping-ponging around in the pocket without taking his eyes off the receivers downfield. That kind of feel for the pocket is not something you can really teach.
Also his ability to get rid of the ball off platform so it can get to the receiver at the right time something that cannot be taught. I don't think he was able to actually get his full body into most of the throws he made last night, yet he got the ball where it needed to be. Falling backwards, off one foot, on the run, all on point. The kid is clutch and usually makes good decisions. He could pass from within the pocket or on the move.
Also he's only 22 years old.
To see such a young quarterback get back on the field after missing four games and play like he's been there all season is tremendous. We got a winner, folks.
Post by: Badger on October 14, 2019, 10:18:16 AM
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1183763382060503041?s=09
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 14, 2019, 10:58:15 AM
From where we were sitting in the stadium, you can see a lot of things that you won't see on TV.
You could watch from almost overhead how Darnold was able to maneuver effortlessly in the pocket when people all around him. Obviously our offensive line is not the greatest support staff at this point, but Donald was ping-ponging around in the pocket without taking his eyes off the receivers downfield. That kind of feel for the pocket is not something you can really teach.
Also his ability to get rid of the ball off platform so it can get to the receiver at the right time something that cannot be taught. I don't think he was able to actually get his full body into most of the throws he made last night, yet he got the ball where it needed to be. Falling backwards, off one foot, on the run, all on point. The kid is clutch and usually makes good decisions. He could pass from within the pocket or on the move.
Also he's only 22 years old.
To see such a young quarterback get back on the field after missing four games and play like he's been there all season is tremendous. We got a winner, folks.
Spot on. Bo knows QBs.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2019, 11:35:52 AM
Spot on. Bo knows QBs.
Bowell Loggains
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 14, 2019, 12:02:41 PM
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1183761483852849160?s=09
https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1183763382060503041?s=09
I really can't believe this guy is our QB.
Also, is that second clip the one with the ridiculously uncalled facemask? To me, that was more egregious than the PI on Adams.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 14, 2019, 02:38:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2019, 02:58:56 PM
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#Jets QB Sam Darnold over his last 6 starts:
66.2% completion rate
7.75 adjusted yards per pass attempt
9 TDs
2 INTs
98.5 QB rating
20 rushes, 78 yards (3.90 YPC)
#Jets QB Sam Darnold is
1 month younger than Dwayne Haskins
7 months younger than Drew Lock
11 months younger than Gardner Minshew
Nearly 2 years younger than Mason Rudolph
Over 2 years younger than Baker Mayfield
Nearly 3 years younger than Mitchell Trubisky
Silva
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 14, 2019, 03:21:38 PM
Sam Darnold is 6 months younger than Gleyber Torres.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 14, 2019, 03:24:34 PM
Gleyber Torres is 22 years old.
Sam Darnold is 6 months younger than Gleyber Torres.
stop it, I can only get so excited.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 14, 2019, 06:01:47 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 14, 2019, 07:37:31 PM
Bowell Loggains
More like Bowel Movement
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 14, 2019, 10:32:43 PM
Breakdown of some of Darnold’s best throws
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2019, 05:14:56 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 15, 2019, 05:31:23 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 15, 2019, 09:01:20 AM
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1184053677272764422?s=21
Post by: Pope on October 15, 2019, 10:39:21 AM
The Captain [insert QB] twitter account should have retired along with Andrew Luck.Yeah these are stupid. Was funny for a week or two then it got tired real quick.
Post by: reuben on October 16, 2019, 08:11:28 AM
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[NFL]Offensive Players of the Week (Week 6):
AFC: @nyjets QB Sam Darnold
NFC: @AZCardinals QB @K1
(by @Headshoulders)
freak mono.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2019, 04:02:11 PM
Darnold has been borderline cocky about how good he thinks the offense can be this season.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 17, 2019, 04:09:37 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27867225/sam-darnold-says-jets-unstoppable-offense-once-chris-herndon-returns
Darnold has been borderline cocky about how good he thinks the offense can be this season.
If you don't think you will succeed you won't succeed.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2019, 04:12:36 PM
If you don't think you will succeed you won't succeed.No, I like it. I don't necessarily love that there are headlines on ESPN.com saying "Darnold: Jets can be 'unstoppable' with Herndon" but I love that we have a quarterback that feels that way. Even more importantly, I love having a quarterback where I feel that way about him.
I like having a team that's outwardly confident.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 17, 2019, 04:50:12 PM
No, I like it. I don't necessarily love that there are headlines on ESPN.com saying "Darnold: Jets can be 'unstoppable' with Herndon" but I love that we have a quarterback that feels that way. Even more importantly, I love having a quarterback where I feel that way about him.
I like having a team that's outwardly confident.
#KeepRex
I was shocked he did so well last week. Not that I don't think he can do it but the rest of the team looked so bad while he was out, especially the line.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 17, 2019, 05:46:39 PM
#KeepRexI was cautiously optimistic he would look like that. To be honest, I expected the offense to be good entering the year. The only thing that changed between now and entering the year is that Herndon is still out and the OL is shakier than it looked on paper entering the season. Sure, Darnold got sick, but he was practicing the week before, so I thought he was going to be prepared.
I was shocked he did so well last week. Not that I don't think he can do it but the rest of the team looked so bad while he was out, especially the line.
I was hoping the offensive issues were because Falk was THAT bad. Luckily, I think that might be the case.
Post by: insanity on October 17, 2019, 05:52:29 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27867225/sam-darnold-says-jets-unstoppable-offense-once-chris-herndon-returns
Darnold has been borderline cocky about how good he thinks the offense can be this season.
This is a quote from his press conference. He wasnt xocky when he said it, he was just giving his opinion in a matter of fact way.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 17, 2019, 06:15:07 PM
Post by: Pope on October 18, 2019, 12:26:24 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 18, 2019, 12:50:41 PM
I wish Quincy was active in this offense
I think Thomas can do just as well in his spot.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2019, 11:17:46 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2019, 11:38:21 AM
(https://i.redd.it/dwh41jlyi0u31.jpg)
Better charge your phone.
I'm more interested in how Darnold handles this and bounces back, there's going to be games like this. When Brady was his age he was a backup at Michigan.
Post by: Johnny English on October 22, 2019, 04:08:20 PM
I have to agree with Gase here. I didn't know that that was how it worked, with ESPN having to clear each comment being aired with an NFL rep but also sometimes just not bothering, but I can't see that the rep would have said yes to that one if they had asked.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2019, 04:20:01 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/10/22/jets-furious-espn-aired-sam-darnolds-seeing-ghosts-comment/
I have to agree with Gase here. I didn't know that that was how it worked, with ESPN having to clear each comment being aired with an NFL rep but also sometimes just not bothering, but I can't see that the rep would have said yes to that one if they had asked.
Same. I can't imagine that didn't get back the the New England sideline if the whole country heard it. Of course being New England, who is to say they didn't have our sideline bugged to begin with.
That said, we had bigger problems last night.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2019, 05:33:29 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/10/22/jets-furious-espn-aired-sam-darnolds-seeing-ghosts-comment/100% agree. You usually don't see sound like that to portray players or coaches in unflattering lights, and that definitely did it. It just adds to the idea that the Jets are laughingstocks and it makes Darnold look terrible.
I have to agree with Gase here. I didn't know that that was how it worked, with ESPN having to clear each comment being aired with an NFL rep but also sometimes just not bothering, but I can't see that the rep would have said yes to that one if they had asked.
ESPN should absolutely air it if the NFL clears it because it's compelling TV, but NFL Films should not have cleared that.
Post by: delavan on October 22, 2019, 07:01:37 PM
Let the NFL/ESPN wire Jamal Adams and then decide whether or not they want to air him cursing a blue streak.
@LeVeonBell
The NFL screwed Sammy over...there’s not one player in the NFL who’s cool with having every sideline convo broadcasted to millions...there’s a reason we’ve never heard other QB’s frustrated on the sideline like that before...that’s crazy, @NFL did Sam dirty as hell
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1186684810217033729 …
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2019, 07:20:57 PM
Post by: insanity on October 22, 2019, 07:34:32 PM
Gase (and Le'Veon Bell) are right. But at the same time why'd the Jets give the ok for their kid QB to be wearing a wire in the first place let alone going into a game vs. an undefeated division rival whose HC had a history of mind-freaking young QBs?
This is complete hindsight bias. No one was going into this game thinking wed lay an egg especially gase and darnold
Get out of here with that nonsense
Post by: dcm1602 on October 22, 2019, 08:17:57 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/10/22/jets-furious-espn-aired-sam-darnolds-seeing-ghosts-comment/
I have to agree with Gase here. I didn't know that that was how it worked, with ESPN having to clear each comment being aired with an NFL rep but also sometimes just not bothering, but I can't see that the rep would have said yes to that one if they had asked.
Regardless I imagine it's something thst would have leaked via the best reporters somehow.
But I don't get why the freak people give a excrement about this.
I mean it happened to the entire Rams freaking team in the SB last year. The only difference is they didn't say it.
excrement freaking happens, at least Darnold owns it and is honest about it
Post by: dcm1602 on October 22, 2019, 08:21:17 PM
Gase (and Le'Veon Bell) are right. But at the same time why'd the Jets give the ok for their kid QB to be wearing a wire in the first place let alone going into a game vs. an undefeated division rival whose HC had a history of mind-freaking young QBs?
Let the NFL/ESPN wire Jamal Adams and then decide whether or not they want to air him cursing a blue streak.
@LeVeonBell
The NFL screwed Sammy over...there’s not one player in the NFL who’s cool with having every sideline convo broadcasted to millions...there’s a reason we’ve never heard other QB’s frustrated on the sideline like that before...that’s crazy, @NFL did Sam dirty as hell
https://twitter.com/mmehtanydn/status/1186684810217033729 …
Because Tom Brady is retiring "soon", Mahomes is hurt, Mayfield has turned into a excrement show, Luck retired, Brees is extremely close to done. The nfl has a void of superstar QB's. And the Jets are likely trying to turn Darnold into a face of league make the dude a superstar. He just came off one of the best games of his career and was flying high. I doubt anyone in the world saw this excrement coming
Edit turns out the reason is much more simple
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NFL rules dictate that the quarterback and head coach must be mic’d up by NFL Films at least one game each season. The primetime games obviously get much more attention. The Jets had initially agreed to have Darnold mic’d up for their Sunday night game against the Browns in Week 2 before the quarterback was diagnosed with mononucleosis.
Basically its mandated and he was supposed to be micd for a different game, and this was probably our last primetime game for the year I'd assume
Post by: dcm1602 on October 22, 2019, 08:41:32 PM
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Darryl Slater
RT @M_Stypulkoski: Sam Darnold had his toenail removed after the game last night. Gross.
12:15PM EDT
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2019, 08:45:50 PM
Post by: insanity on October 23, 2019, 07:17:26 AM
We was pressured on half of his drop backs and god knows how many of those pressures had free runners.
Yes the throws look terrible, but the first was just a smart play by a good defense, and the resr were him trying to make a play when we were down big with pressure in his face on 3rd down. I'd say you need to atleast split this evenly between gase. The line, and sam
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 23, 2019, 01:39:42 PM
I'm still shocked that everyone is blaming Sam for this loss.
We was pressured on half of his drop backs and god knows how many of those pressures had free runners.
Yes the throws look terrible, but the first was just a smart play by a good defense, and the resr were him trying to make a play when we were down big with pressure in his face on 3rd down. I'd say you need to atleast split this evenly between gase. The line, and sam
You can make the argument Sam made bad decisions, but even that's a bit of a stretch. I don't think we needed to hear him say it out loud that he was seeing ghosts or hearing footsteps.
If I were to put percentages to it:
45% coaching
30% OL issues
20% Patriots are ridiculously good
5% Sam's decision making--forced by getting barely 2 steps before feeling pressure
Really, I don't think Darnold deserves any blame. Yeah, you've got to protect the football, and you can't just randomly sling it downfield, but there's only so much he could do with the hand he was being dealt.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 23, 2019, 02:38:58 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 23, 2019, 02:52:19 PM
I love Sam’s potential but let’s be real here. He was shellshocked and throwing off his back foot every time. That’s not what an NFL QB should be doing. It’s like he forgot everything he knew and he went back to when he was 10 years old. I think he has all the tools to become an elite QB but his performance on that game was just terrible, there’s no sugarcoating it.I don't know enough about the intricacies of offense to know how to divide the blame for all the free rushers. I would think the OL deserves the most blame, and the coaching staff and the QB also deserve some amount of blame.
But Darnold reacted atrociously to the pass rush. He was shellshocked like you said. The "seeing ghosts" comment was legit. He had no idea where the pass rushers were coming from every time, and he played scared because of it.
Post by: Laxin on October 23, 2019, 03:11:22 PM
I don't know enough about the intricacies of offense to know how to divide the blame for all the free rushers. I would think the OL deserves the most blame, and the coaching staff and the QB also deserve some amount of blame.
But Darnold reacted atrociously to the pass rush. He was shellshocked like you said. The "seeing ghosts" comment was legit. He had no idea where the pass rushers were coming from every time, and he played scared because of it.
He definitely knew where there rushers were coming from a decent amount of the time. The first play/interception, he called out the rusher for protection and the OL still let him through untouched.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 23, 2019, 03:16:18 PM
He definitely knew where there rushers were coming from a decent amount of the time. The first play/interception, he called out the rusher for protection and the OL still let him through untouched.When I say he had no idea where the pass rush would come from, that's part of what I meant. Sometimes, he probably didn't know where the rushers were coming from. Sometimes, he wouldn't know if the OL would actually pick up the pass rushers. And I also wonder if he didn't trust the OL to hold their blocks, meaning that even if the first two parts were successful, they could still just get overwhelmed physically.
Post by: insanity on October 23, 2019, 03:19:57 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 23, 2019, 03:51:14 PM
I mean the only other option sam had was to take a sack, and when you're down 17 in the 1st quarter that doesnt really work.Yeah, one of those was a 3rd and long where I didn't really mind him tossing it up there and hoping for the best. Nothing to really lose at that point, but it was an atrocious throw.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 23, 2019, 04:06:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 04, 2019, 11:58:37 AM
Daniel Jeremiah
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 04, 2019, 12:05:16 PM
“ I've always been a big Sam Darnold guy. I know the team around him stinks but he's not seeing the field right now. He's looking everywhere and seeing nothing. This team needs so much work.”
Daniel Jeremiah
Gase only needs 3-5 more seasons to get it all figured out. Then everything will be fine.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 04, 2019, 03:44:30 PM
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1191451489933414400?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 05, 2019, 03:28:05 PM
Compared to league average, the only QBs with a worse INT% in a season are Matt Barkley (2016), 39-yo Peyton Manning (2015), and Eli Manning (2013)
Post by: dcm1602 on November 05, 2019, 07:49:37 PM
Sam Darnold is on track to be the first QB since 2016 to throw an INT on 5% or more of his pass attempts
Compared to league average, the only QBs with a worse INT% in a season are Matt Barkley (2016), 39-yo Peyton Manning (2015), and Eli Manning (2013)
freak yeah, Darnold is in the same category as the Manning Brothers
Post by: insanity on November 07, 2019, 10:47:26 PM
It is literally a mix of everything, but one thing is clear. Darnold has regressed tremendously. He's not making his progressions he's afraid in the pocket, he's not calling audibles at the line.
Two of our first three picks must be on olineman.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 08, 2019, 04:51:19 AM
Five of our first three picks must be on olineman.
Fyp
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 08, 2019, 11:06:22 AM
This video does a great job at showing what is going wrong with our offense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ePzIcCQCR4
It is literally a mix of everything, but one thing is clear. Darnold has regressed tremendously. He's not making his progressions he's afraid in the pocket, he's not calling audibles at the line.
Two of our first three picks must be on olineman.
If Darnold isn’t making calls at the line or going through his progressions, that’s on Adam Gase.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 08, 2019, 11:11:55 AM
If Darnold isn’t making calls at the line or going through his progressions, that’s on Adam Gase.
How can you blame Gase for that?
It's near impossible to advise Darnold when he's busy sitting on the bench staring at his call sheet wondering why his genius playcalls aren't working.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 11, 2019, 08:04:40 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 11, 2019, 08:11:13 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2019, 11:07:10 AM
^Thats what I'm hoping. Trial by fire. I think of it like being in the on deck circle with the donut on the bat. Eventually the donut (shitty offensive line) will come off and the bat will feel much lighter.
Obviously, that's everyone's hope. The fear is that along the way he'll learn to hear footsteps all the time.
Post by: Badger on November 11, 2019, 11:42:01 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2019, 11:45:42 AM
Obviously, that's everyone's hope. The fear is that along the way he'll learn to hear footsteps all the time.
Have to learn to deal with the footsteps. It's Year 2, he's 21, this is a bad team. We can't have everyone crying "he's broken" and giving up every time there's a bad game, or we'll never be able to develop a franchise QB. Keep Bell, fix the line and we're good.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2019, 12:22:42 PM
Have to learn to deal with the footsteps. It's Year 2, he's 21, this is a bad team. We can't have everyone crying "he's broken" and giving up every time there's a bad game, or we'll never be able to develop a franchise QB. Keep Bell, fix the line and we're good.
That's a really simplistic view. Especially considering we're not at all far removed from the last QB we shellshocked into failure.
Darnold is clearly far more talented than Sanchez ever was, and appears more mature to boot. That doesn't mean getting consistently obliterated won't have a lasting effect.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2019, 12:48:13 PM
That's a really simplistic view. Especially considering we're not at all far removed from the last QB we shellshocked into failure.
Darnold is clearly far more talented than Sanchez ever was, and appears more mature to boot. That doesn't mean getting consistently obliterated won't have a lasting effect.
Everybody is different. Sanchez was the exact opposite, came to a team with a great defense, #1 running game and a good coach. The fact that he fell off after the talent around him eroded and then got injured doesn't mean he was "shellshocked" as much as he was exposed.
Darnold is a different guy in a different situation, he needs experience and reps, which he's getting. Imagine how easy it will be for him if he ever has a few seconds to see the field and guys who can make plays for him. We're already seeing it in doses, the last two games he's come out sharp and put up points right out of the gate, which we weren't doing earlier.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 11, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
Everybody is different. Sanchez was the exact opposite, came to a team with a great defense, #1 running game and a good coach. The fact that he fell off after the talent around him eroded and then got injured doesn't mean he was "shellshocked" as much as he was exposed.you had me until good coach, he was not a good coach. He was a fat undisciplined mess, that couldn't evaluate talent if his life depended on it. He could run a defense, yes.
Darnold is a different guy in a different situation, he needs experience and reps, which he's getting. Imagine how easy it will be for him if he ever has a few seconds to see the field and guys who can make plays for him. We're already seeing it in doses, the last two games he's come out sharp and put up points right out of the gate, which we weren't doing earlier.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
you had me until good coach, he was not a good coach. He was a fat undisciplined mess, that couldn't evaluate talent if his life depended on it. He could run a defense, yes.
He got us to the AFC Championship Game twice with a QB that nobody else could win a game with. He also wasn't the GM and had a lot more success before he "got discipline" and lost weight.
Also, I'd take him now in 2 seconds over the coaches we have.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2019, 01:19:02 PM
Everybody is different. Sanchez was the exact opposite, came to a team with a great defense, #1 running game and a good coach. The fact that he fell off after the talent around him eroded and then got injured doesn't mean he was "shellshocked" as much as he was exposed.
Darnold is a different guy in a different situation, he needs experience and reps, which he's getting. Imagine how easy it will be for him if he ever has a few seconds to see the field and guys who can make plays for him. We're already seeing it in doses, the last two games he's come out sharp and put up points right out of the gate, which we weren't doing earlier.
As much as I can't stand the guy, Tom Brady's success is due in large part to having historically low rates of pressure. I'll even spot you an article about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/01/29/secret-tom-bradys-longevity/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/01/29/secret-tom-bradys-longevity/)
QBs taking hits is bad for both their long-term health and their psyche. Accept it or don't, but if we want to have a career franchise QB for the next 10-15 years, we had better start keeping his uniform clean.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2019, 01:22:43 PM
He got us to the AFC Championship Game twice with a QB that nobody else could win a game with. He also wasn't the GM and had a lot more success before he "got discipline" and lost weight.
Also, I'd take him now in 2 seconds over the coaches we have.
I will always appreciate Rex for a lot of reasons, but he was specifically responsible for pounding the table for Coples over guys like Chandler Jones and Hightower, AND for the Calvin Pryor pick.
He was a disaster when it came to evaluating talent on the defensive side of the ball which is even more surprising considering how good he was at coaching it.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2019, 01:36:08 PM
Throw some jumbo sets out there, swing tackles, or something.
I get it the OL sucks, but you don't wanna combine that with 40+ drop backs
Post by: Pope on November 11, 2019, 01:39:45 PM
I get the whole baptism by fire thing. But we gotta run the freaking ball more to protect our QB.We can’t run the ball with this offensive line. There are defenders in the backfield every single play
Throw some jumbo sets out there, swing tackles, or something.
I get it the OL sucks, but you don't wanna combine that with 40+ drop backs
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2019, 02:09:42 PM
As much as I can't stand the guy, Tom Brady's success is due in large part to having historically low rates of pressure. I'll even spot you an article about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/01/29/secret-tom-bradys-longevity/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/01/29/secret-tom-bradys-longevity/)
QBs taking hits is bad for both their long-term health and their psyche. Accept it or don't, but if we want to have a career franchise QB for the next 10-15 years, we had better start keeping his uniform clean.
That's obvious. My point is that Darnold can survive this if the Jets fix the line, not that it is a good thing for him. But it could be a blessing in disguise, so he doesn't fall off like Sanchez did when he didn't have it all set up for him.
Brady is like Marino in the sense that neither moved well but both got the ball out and avoided a lot of hits. Darnold is pretty good at that and more mobile, but he has to be more careful with the ball.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2019, 02:11:48 PM
I will always appreciate Rex for a lot of reasons, but he was specifically responsible for pounding the table for Coples over guys like Chandler Jones and Hightower, AND for the Calvin Pryor pick.
He was a disaster when it came to evaluating talent on the defensive side of the ball which is even more surprising considering how good he was at coaching it.
You can pick apart individual moves from anyone who is in a job for any length of time. Fact remains when we had Tannenbaum as GM and Rex as coach we had the best run of success in recent memory. Since they are gone we haven't done anything, and that's getting to be quite a while now.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 11, 2019, 02:35:54 PM
The Patriots have always had a solid pass-blocking OL, but Brady makes them look even better.
This year is definitely providing plenty of adversity to Darnold. This has to be the toughest year of his career, between the mono, the losing, his offensive line and the ghosts comments becoming viral. This year is a big test of his mental toughness. It's still TBD if he passes the test or not, but this week was a very good sign.
For Darnold's development, this string of bad teams in a row came at a great time to help build him back up. Sure, Miami didn't go great, but outside of that atrocious mistake at the goalline, he didn't play badly.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2019, 02:51:33 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 11, 2019, 02:55:04 PM
Not an excuse by any stretch, but Darnold shouldn't have been in position to make that goal-line play anyway. How they took Griffin's touchdown off the board I'll never know. Horrible call.If they don't make that call, we're 3-6 and on the way to the playoffs!
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2019, 03:07:02 PM
If they don't make that call, we're 3-6 and on the way to the playoffs!
That game and the Buffalo opener, we could be 4-5, 4-2 with The Darnold.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 11, 2019, 03:46:08 PM
You can pick apart individual moves from anyone who is in a job for any length of time. Fact remains when we had Tannenbaum as GM and Rex as coach we had the best run of success in recent memory. Since they are gone we haven't done anything, and that's getting to be quite a while now.
You do realize that he inherited more talent from 2006 and 07 than any coach has been blessed with cumulative in the 14 years since. So excuse me if a coach that was ridiculously undisciplined, couldn't evaluate talent if his life depended on it won a couple of years until he put his stamp on things and it was all down hill from there. So no he was not a good head coach. He was so great the Jets with their best team in years forgot when the AFC championship started against the Steelers... freaking awesome
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2019, 03:55:27 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2019, 04:37:57 PM
Ahhh Rex....the argument that will never die
Because people like Puck can't let it go. My point is about Sanchez stepping into a completely opposite situation as Darnold, which is the case. The fact that I identified Rex as a good coach, which he is/was, appears to have triggered Puck.
I didn't say great, didn't say HOF, but a good coach, who won four road playoff games with Mark Sanchez at QB. I'd bet anyone here Darnold would love to have Rex and his defense right now, and his Ground and Pound approach. Maybe we'd be beating New England, like Rex and Sanchez did, rather than seeing ghosts.
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2019, 04:43:39 PM
Because people like Puck can't let it go. My point is about Sanchez stepping into a completely opposite situation as Darnold, which is the case. The fact that I identified Rex as a good coach, which he is/was, appears to have triggered Puck.Rex is an excellent DC, he’s not a good HC. And he’s proven the latter on 2 separate occasions.....that’s why he’s on TV now.
I didn't say great, didn't say HOF, but a good coach, who won four road playoff games with Mark Sanchez at QB. I'd bet anyone here Darnold would love to have Rex and his defense right now, and his Ground and Pound approach. Maybe we'd be beating New England, like Rex and Sanchez did, rather than seeing ghosts.
Post by: Badger on November 11, 2019, 04:56:41 PM
Rex is an excellent DC, he’s not a good HC. And he’s proven the latter on 2 separate occasions.....that’s why he’s on TV now.SBTG
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2019, 05:05:02 PM
SBTGIs he though?
Let’s try and set the bar a little higher
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2019, 05:23:19 PM
(https://b.fssta.com/uploads/2016/10/102616-NFL-Rex-Ryan-Mark-Sanchez.vresize.1024.576.high.38.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2019, 06:08:20 PM
If you want to derail this thread with your Rex Derangement Syndrome, that's on you. My point about Sanchez and Darnold stands, the records and results speak for themselves.Rex can’t get a HC job anywhere in the NFL....but please, tell me more.
(https://b.fssta.com/uploads/2016/10/102616-NFL-Rex-Ryan-Mark-Sanchez.vresize.1024.576.high.38.jpg)
Post by: Badger on November 11, 2019, 07:15:57 PM
Is he though?Based on all available information so far, yes.
Let’s try and set the bar a little higher
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
Based on all available information so far, yes.
Despite being 2 different flavours of fart....they both stink
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2019, 07:25:15 PM
Rex can’t get a HC job anywhere in the NFL....but please, tell me more.I mean if Gase and Jay Gruden were coaching nfl teams, you'd think Rex not coaching has to do with other factors.
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2019, 07:28:14 PM
I mean if Gase and Jay Gruden were coaching nfl teams, you'd think Rex not coaching has to do with other factors.Rex’s pissed away any credibility he had left in Buffalo.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2019, 07:31:21 PM
Rex’s pissed away any credibility he had left in Buffalo.
We hired Adam Gase and Todd Bowles
Post by: MBGreen on November 11, 2019, 07:36:42 PM
We hired Adam Gase and Todd BowlesYeah and?
What does that have anything to do with what a POS coach Rex turned out to be?
Post by: dcm1602 on November 11, 2019, 07:48:48 PM
Yeah and?
What does that have anything to do with what a POS coach Rex turned out to be?
That far worse guys are hired
The dude had zero capacity to manage a roster.
But he had one excrement season in 8 years, almost all of which were with absolutely horrendous QB's. I'm not advocating for him back as Sam needs an offensive dude, but if Rex was out in his place and wasn't allowed to have a vote in major roster decisions, he would almost certainly be an above average HC
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2019, 08:27:24 PM
I will forever maintain that rushing into the Buffalo job was career suicide and that Atlanta not hiring him when that was such a clear match to be made cost them a Super Bowl.
Puck I agree completely in that he took over a very talented team, but he also was able to manufacture a pass rush that first year with his best player off the edge being historic voyeur Calvin Pace.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 12, 2019, 11:03:12 AM
Any comparisons between Sanchez and Darnold have to factor in the differences with O line, running game, defense and coaching, the results on the field have the final say. There are far better QBs than Sanchez who took longer to win fewer playoff games due to the circumstances around them. We can all make a list of QBs who took their lumps early in their careers, you have to go through that process a lot of the time. Sanchez--and I was one of his biggest supporters--turned out to be fool's gold, he never took the reigns in 2011-2012 when we needed him to. There were other factors but a lot of it is on him. Point being, the Jets didn't "ruin" him, he just wasn't as good as we thought he was going to be. Darnold is a different guy with a completely different set of circumstances. The similarities ended with both leaving USC early and being drafted by the Jets.
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 12, 2019, 11:12:47 AM
People all are going to have their opinions. The people shitting on Rex here are the same ones who hate every other coach too, so I just take it in that context.
Any comparisons between Sanchez and Darnold have to factor in the differences with O line, running game, defense and coaching, the results on the field have the final say. There are far better QBs than Sanchez who took longer to win fewer playoff games due to the circumstances around them. We can all make a list of QBs who took their lumps early in their careers, you have to go through that process a lot of the time. Sanchez--and I was one of his biggest supporters--turned out to be fool's gold, he never took the reigns in 2011-2012 when we needed him to. There were other factors but a lot of it is on him. Point being, the Jets didn't "ruin" him, he just wasn't as good as we thought he was going to be. Darnold is a different guy with a completely different set of circumstances. The similarities ended with both leaving USC early and being drafted by the Jets.
Excellent post I.S
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2019, 06:32:48 AM
Friendly reminder to hate Ryan Clark from now until the end of time
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2019, 07:33:31 AM
https://twitter.com/rocthejetsfan/status/1194459559693344769?s=21
Friendly reminder to hate Ryan Clark from now until the end of time
I'm sure ESPN + is going to sell well
Post by: insanity on November 13, 2019, 07:46:41 AM
https://twitter.com/rocthejetsfan/status/1194459559693344769?s=21Sam probably stole his girl.
Friendly reminder to hate Ryan Clark from now until the end of time
It is weird how much he hates him
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2019, 10:55:23 AM
Sam probably stole his girl.
It is weird how much he hates him
I think it has more to do with Jamal having his dick in his mouth, and him having had Bell as a teammate for years
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 12:31:49 PM
@BrianCoz
Johnson on continuity with Darnold: "It’s absolutely important, but that’s not why I’m keeping Adam. That’s certainly a component. Changing systems year after year is a disaster for a young quarterback, especially."
1:12 PM · Nov 13, 2019
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Brian Costello
@BrianCoz
Johnson on Darnold's struggles: "We’ve had a lot of adversity. Sam hasn’t been given the best opportunity to thrive. We’ve had so many moving parts on the offensive line that I think it has affected his ability to play as he would like." #nyj
1:23 PM · Nov 13, 2019·
Post by: Heismanberg on November 13, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 12:59:12 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2019, 01:15:04 PM
Never seen a good team without a good offensive line.
Elite QB's can make substandard OLs look good.
Though Sam's young and inexperienced so I don't blame him for not covering up their faults. Plus our OL is historically bad. We turned an elite HB into trash in the run game
Post by: Pope on November 13, 2019, 01:39:21 PM
Elite QB's can make substandard OLs look good.Tough to grade Darnold and our offense as a whole accurately with how bad the OL has been on top of all the injuries we’ve had.
Though Sam's young and inexperienced so I don't blame him for not covering up their faults. Plus our OL is historically bad. We turned an elite HB into trash in the run game
The Jets are surely on some type of record setting pace or close to it in regard to injuries for a roster during the season
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 13, 2019, 01:49:21 PM
Never seen a good team without a good offensive line.
Dallas has a good offensive line.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 01:58:52 PM
Dallas has a good offensive line.
Ok, you need skill players too, but they can't do their job if plays aren't blocked.
Look at our offense without Darnold, they could barely get a first down.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 13, 2019, 02:20:17 PM
Ok, you need skill players too, but they can't do their job if plays aren't blocked.
Look at our offense without Darnold, they could barely get a first down.
I'm not saying they don't need a better OL. They absolutely do, and I've been harping on that.
But you can have a great OL and talent all over your offense, and shitty coaching will still lose you games.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 13, 2019, 03:06:14 PM
I'm not saying they don't need a better OL. They absolutely do, and I've been harping on that.
But you can have a great OL and talent all over your offense, and shitty coaching will still lose you games.
It could, I think that comes down to the QB. If you have a QB with just the physical talent but reliant on the coach it can kill you, but if the QB can make quick changes and good reads on the field he can cover for the coach. That was my point about Pennington earlier, I guess in another thread, he masked the shortcomings of a few coaches.
Post by: Jumbo on November 13, 2019, 03:26:12 PM
Never seen a good team without a good offensive line.
Teams have won Super Bowls without decent OLs, but it's usually behind a legendary defense i.e. '13 Seahawks, '02 Bucs
Post by: loyaljetsfan on November 13, 2019, 06:53:09 PM
Teams have won Super Bowls without decent OLs, but it's usually behind a legendary defense i.e. '13 Seahawks, '02 Bucs
...and they don't have a complete worthless bag of dicks at head coach. #We'llNeverSniffthePlayoffsWithGase
Post by: dcm1602 on November 13, 2019, 07:38:32 PM
...and they don't have a complete worthless bag of dicks at head coach. #We'llNeverSniffthePlayoffsWithGase
Coughlin Dungy Mccarthy say otherwise
TBD on Pederson
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 13, 2019, 10:54:58 PM
https://twitter.com/rocthejetsfan/status/1194459559693344769?s=21
Friendly reminder to hate Ryan Clark from now until the end of time
I'm not sure when Clark's hatred for Sam started, but it has been a strange obsession. I first saw it after the Jets beat the Cowboys. Greenburg was on air saying that Sam Darnold was a better QB than Dak, and I think Ryan took it very offensively. I also feel like Clark felt more strongly about it in his argument because of the black Dak - white Darnold component.
It then got bad with ESPN's fvckery with the ghosts during ESPN
It flared up again with the Jamal trade rumors where he vociferously was stating that if anybody was to be traded, it was Darnold. He was obviously going hard body for another LSU DB given that he is an alum as well
Still very strange and unnecessary. He's usually pretty good but has been really harsh on Darnold given the crap circumstances he's been thrown into this season
It's somewhat cancelled out by Orlovsky, who is a huge fan/homer of Sam
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2019, 05:22:53 AM
I'm not sure when Clark's hatred for Sam started, but it has been a strange obsession. I first saw it after the Jets beat the Cowboys. Greenburg was on air saying that Sam Darnold was a better QB than Dak, and I think Ryan took it very offensively. I also feel like Clark felt more strongly about it in his argument because of the black Dak - white Darnold component.If we get enough buzz going and maybe get a beat writer to mention it maybe we can get Clark to have a Twitter meltdown or something.
It then got bad with ESPN's fvckery with the ghosts during ESPN
It flared up again with the Jamal trade rumors where he vociferously was stating that if anybody was to be traded, it was Darnold. He was obviously going hard body for another LSU DB given that he is an alum as well
Still very strange and unnecessary. He's usually pretty good but has been really harsh on Darnold given the crap circumstances he's been thrown into this season
It's somewhat cancelled out by Orlovsky, who is a huge fan/homer of Sam
Post by: Pope on November 14, 2019, 05:47:17 AM
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2019, 07:03:53 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 25, 2019, 06:28:17 AM
Crazy legs: Sam Darnold played faster than every quarterback in the NFL last week, including the human highlight film named Lamar Jackson, and the result was one of Darnold's best games as a pro. Coincidence? Let's take a look.
NFL Next Gen Stats tracks every quarterback's foot speed when he releases the ball, and Darnold averaged 6.37 mph per pass attempt in the Jets' win against the Washington Redskins. (In case you're wondering, Jackson averaged 4.07 mph in his game.) Actually, Darnold also led the league the previous week (5.72 mph).
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 25, 2019, 10:33:45 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 25, 2019, 10:36:08 AM
I still can't believe this guy fell to us in the draft.
Same. As I've always said, if you want someone ahead of you picking a QB, hope it's Cleveland.
Not sure I love him taking a hit to the right shoulder running in that TD, that's how Pennington originally hurt his, but he seemed to bounce off it ok.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 25, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
That’s my Quarterback
Post by: Johnny English on November 25, 2019, 11:16:54 PM
https://pagesix.com/2019/11/25/wasted-jets-qb-sam-darnolds-post-game-party-goes-till-1230/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
That’s my Quarterback
Can't get mono twice.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 26, 2019, 08:42:52 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 26, 2019, 11:15:01 AM
https://pagesix.com/2019/11/25/wasted-jets-qb-sam-darnolds-post-game-party-goes-till-1230/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
That’s my Quarterback
As long as this girl has had all her shots and someone else drove, I have no problem with a 22 year old NFL QB acting like a 22 year old NFL QB.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 29, 2019, 07:11:22 AM
The media desperately trying to turn MakeoutGate into a thing and Sam just wants to remembered as the nice one
Post by: Badger on December 11, 2019, 08:26:13 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 11, 2019, 09:17:18 PM
https://twitter.com/JetsOpinion/status/1204553420373471233?s=20
I cannot stop crying about this.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2019, 09:20:32 PM
https://twitter.com/JetsOpinion/status/1204553420373471233?s=20He's already 8th on the Patriots' all time list.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 13, 2019, 07:16:54 AM
He's already 8th on the Patriots' all time list.
Exactly I was thinking this is kind of a useless fact.
As the rankings would be comparable for a really good and a really bad team. Just for different reasons
Now all the records Sanchez holds, those are sad freaking facts for this team
Most postseason wins for a jets QB all freaking time
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 14, 2019, 12:03:50 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 14, 2019, 05:27:59 AM
https://twitter.com/jetsopinion/status/1205594767758954497
It blows my mind how Crowder made that catch, yet dropped the ball before. It’s also incredible that Sam literally went right back to him after such an egregious drop
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 14, 2019, 08:12:02 AM
It blows my mind how Crowder made that catch, yet dropped the ball before. It’s also incredible that Sam literally went right back to him after such an egregious drop
It happens. I did the same exact thing once.
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2019, 01:27:24 PM
It blows my mind how Crowder made that catch, yet dropped the ball before. It’s also incredible that Sam literally went right back to him after such an egregious dropI loved that, QB needs to have confidence in his guys.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2019, 08:47:33 AM
https://twitter.com/brickwallblitz/status/1205605536244391936
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2019, 08:48:40 AM
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I still believe in Darnold, and that Jets team goes 0-16 without him. Gase is not the right coach for him at all and has done next to nothing to develop him.
- Non-Jets writer
Post by: dcm1602 on December 26, 2019, 04:05:22 PM
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Opening-drive Darnold since Week 8: 81.3 comp%, 4 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 passer rating, per NFL Media Research.
Darnold's making Adam Gase's initial game script sing! Unfortunately, the magic quickly fades:
Rest-of-game Darnold since Week 8: 59.1 comp%, 11 TD, 7 INT, 84.2 passer rating.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2019, 11:11:48 PM
Sam Darnold's 2018 / 2019
Starts: 13 / 13
YPA: 6.9 / 6.8 ⬇️
Passing TDs: 17 / 19 ⬆️
INTs: 15 / 13 ⬇️
Lost Fumbles: 2 / 3 ⬆️
Rushing TDs: 1 / 2 ⬆️
Comp %: 58 / 62 ⬆️
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2019, 11:21:47 PM
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2019, 11:44:07 PM
Matt Ryan didn't take a real leap until his third season.Passers can take as long as 6-8 seasons to peak. As long as he isn't melting down and singlehandedly losing games I'm willing to be patient with him.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2019, 11:45:55 PM
Passers can take as long as 6-8 seasons to peak. As long as he isn't melting down and singlehandedly losing games I'm willing to be patient with him.
Sam Darnold is younger than Joe Burrow. We absolutely have to be patient with him.
The game will slow down for him, especially with better protection.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2019, 11:46:27 PM
What’s frustrating is that Darnold has games where he looked like absolute garbage (Pats and Jax) and games where he looked amazing (Dal, Was, Oak). I know. He’s 22.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2019, 12:22:48 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 30, 2019, 06:10:27 AM
Post by: Laxin on December 30, 2019, 07:22:38 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2019, 07:33:09 AM
I'm excited about having 2 solid tight ends be has a rapport with. And hopefully upgrading on Bell and Anderson. I really hope we bring DT back, I think that was Gase's best personnel move
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2019, 09:13:38 AM
I really hope we bring DT back, I think that was Gase's best personnel move
If I weren't increasingly convinced that you're a full on parody account, I would call this damning with faint praise.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2019, 09:15:26 AM
He's been a good pickup.
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2019, 09:18:13 AM
Is rather have DT than AJ Green and his melting ankle.
He's been a good pickup.
He's old and declining and didn't actually play for the last month. I think we can live just fine without his 36 catches for 400 yards and 1 TD.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 30, 2019, 09:23:33 AM
He's old and declining and didn't actually play for the last month. I think we can live just fine without his 36 catches for 400 yards and 1 TD.
The fact that his play stood out, just goes to show how freaking terrible our offense was this year.
Our WR group cannot be the same next year. We need upgrades to help Sam take a step forward.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2019, 09:42:17 AM
It's a good thing he has such a great QB whisperer to help him improve.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 30, 2019, 09:43:45 AM
I love Darnold, but he makes some absolutely awful decisions at times. The numbers lie a bit too. He has had INTs called back on penalties and a few that were easy picks that the defenders dropped.
It's a good thing he has such a great QB whisperer to help him improve.
if we're playing that game, the worst throw he made all year (the pick in the red zone in the Dolphins game) should've never happened considering Griffin scored the play before and the refs inexplicably overturned it.
Post by: Laxin on December 30, 2019, 09:45:58 AM
if we're playing that game, the worst throw he made all year (the pick in the red zone in the Dolphins game) should've never happened considering Griffin scored the play before and the refs inexplicably overturned it.
And the pick yesterday was textbook DPI. Still not sure how that wasn't called, and even more puzzled how Gase didn't challenge it.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2019, 09:59:50 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2019, 10:06:50 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2019, 11:27:03 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 30, 2019, 11:37:08 AM
I'd rather have a QB who makes the odd bad decision because he's always trying to make things happen, than one who plays hyper conservative. Brett Favre will always be more fun than Tom Brady.
For sure about that.
But boring and winning is always better than gambling and losing
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2019, 11:41:00 AM
For sure about that.
But boring and winning is always better than gambling and losing
If I want to be bored there are lots of other ways I can do that. Winning is fun but if that's all I cared about I'd go shopping in my Patriots jersey on a Sunday afternoon and then boast about the scores around the water cooler on a Monday morning.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 30, 2019, 11:52:55 AM
If I want to be bored there are lots of other ways I can do that. Winning is fun but if that's all I cared about I'd go shopping in my Patriots jersey on a Sunday afternoon and then boast about the scores around the water cooler on a Monday morning.
I get that. freak I don't need a Dynasty, I would be thrilled with the Packers/Saints performances over the past decade with Brees and Rodgers in place. Be in the hunt every year, and a breakthrough here or there would be insane. That would be amazing fun. Regardless of which type of QB Sam becomes.
But I think it's quite likely he is a lot more Brett Favre than anything else.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2019, 11:57:30 AM
If I want to be bored there are lots of other ways I can do that. Winning is fun but if that's all I cared about I'd go shopping in my Patriots jersey on a Sunday afternoon and then boast about the scores around the water cooler on a Monday morning.
I see you’ve visited New England before.
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2019, 12:01:13 PM
I see you’ve visited New England before.
They exist everywhere.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2019, 12:20:59 PM
And the pick yesterday was textbook DPI. Still not sure how that wasn't called, and even more puzzled how Gase didn't challenge it.
The one on the sideline that got erased by a defensive penalty was worse. It was 3rd and 1, at first look I thought he could have run for it, but on the replay angle from behind him he might not have made it. Trying it would have still been a better decision than the throw. Those are the thihngs I think he'll see on film during the off season and be more aware of going into camp.
Darnold is too aggressive at times, but that will improve. Getting the bugs out now. Like him or not, the good thing about keeping Gase is that Darnold doesn't have to focus any energy on a new playbook this offseason. I think he'll be better next year.
Along these lines, he'll have more time to focus on improving things like mentioned above.
Post by: Pope on December 30, 2019, 06:00:08 PM
I would like for him to spend some time with guys in the secondary like Jamal so he can work on his dancing. I wanna see him get in defenders faces after touchdowns and hit them with some street moves
Post by: Laxin on January 07, 2020, 10:47:52 AM
https://twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/status/1214350300435427328
Post by: Libero_2 on January 07, 2020, 12:55:18 PM
Some Darnold fap material
https://twitter.com/Brickwallblitz/status/1214350300435427328
That thread tells me two things
1. Sam is always running for his life
2. So many throws are perfect because they absolutely had to be. There is virtually no separation on any of these throws.
We need weapons that can get open and guys to keep Sam alive long enough for that to happen. We get that and we will have a super bowl capable offense because of the magic Sam has within him
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2020, 02:41:16 PM
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Jets’ Sam Darnold has offseason surgery on thumb
By Brian Costello
January 10, 2020 | 2:52pm
Jets quarterback Sam Darnold had a rough second season physically, so rough that he needed surgery this week.
Darnold underwent a procedure Tuesday to repair a ligament in his left thumb, according to sources. The procedure was performed by the Jets team doctors, and he is not expected to miss any time this offseason, sources said.
Darnold dealt with the thumb injury for the final two months of the season. He originally injured it in a loss to the Jaguars on Oct. 27. Darnold scrambled and was hit and injured the thumb as he hit the ground. He wore a brace under a glove on the non-throwing hand for the rest of the season. It was noticeable on some handoffs because he had to use two hands.
The procedure is similar to the one former Jets quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick had performed in 2015 when he tore a ligament in his left thumb. Fitzpatrick was able to play nine days after having the surgery, showing the recovery time is minimal.
Darnold took a pounding this year behind an injury-plagued offensive line. At various times he had injuries to his thumb, knee and ribs. He also missed three games after being diagnosed with mononucleosis in September.
The 22-year-old played 13 games, going 7-6. He completed 61.9 percent of his passes for 3,024 yards, 19 touchdowns with 13 interceptions. He had a QB rating of 84.3. Darnold played much better in the final two months of the season after struggling for a stretch in October when he returned from mono.
Darnold said he was unsure if he would need surgery when he met with reporters the day after the Jets season ended. He said he would need more tests to determine whether surgery was needed. The doctors apparently felt surgery was the way to go.
Darnold typically takes a few weeks off and then begins working with his private quarterback coach Jordan Palmer in California. Since the surgery was on his non-throwing hand, he should still be able to do his normal work. He cannot work with Jets coaches again until April when the collective bargaining agreement allows the team to begin its offseason workouts.
NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/01/10/jets-sam-darnold-has-offseason-surgery-on-thumb/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons)
Early, minor and non throwing hand. That's all good.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2020, 02:53:54 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2020, 03:26:03 PM
Incoming "MRSA spreads to both hands, Darnold retires"
Don't even joke like that!!!!
Post by: mj2sexay on January 10, 2020, 03:26:54 PM
Incoming "MRSA spreads to both hands, Darnold retires"
JACKASS. ILL KILL YOU.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2020, 03:31:55 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2020, 03:35:38 PM
At least we don’t have to overpay Sam on his 2nd contract
Which means we can afford more weapons for Sam.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2020, 03:47:11 PM
At least we don’t have to overpay Sam on his 2nd contractBut he'll still get a second contract, right?
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 10, 2020, 04:14:14 PM
Which means we can afford more weapons for Sam.
<3
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2020, 12:02:30 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EONRcR0WoAAJR6L.png)
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 20, 2020, 04:55:52 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 20, 2020, 07:42:12 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2020, 09:20:18 AM
What is interception avoidance?That's like when you're at the pub and are able to get around the chick's friend that's the rooster block and manage to score.
Post by: MBGreen on January 20, 2020, 09:25:08 AM
This doesn't reflect well.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EONRcR0WoAAJR6L.png)
The white space to the right of D.Carr....that's Luke Falk.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 20, 2020, 10:52:10 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 20, 2020, 10:59:51 AM
People are digging deep, it's only January. Only 8 more months until a meaningful game,
Bring on the XFL baby. Lets go Guardians.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 20, 2020, 11:45:53 AM
Bring on the XFL baby. Lets go Guardians.
Yes sir! Opie & Anthony pre game, I'm down.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 22, 2020, 03:12:19 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 22, 2020, 03:22:11 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jetswhispers/status/1219991192164802560
Quote from: @FireMedic40NJ
Replying to
@jetswhispers
This team is like the movie Groundhog Day except instead of Groundhog Day it's April Fool's Day. Only we never wake up from the bad dream to realize it was a prank because it's real.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 22, 2020, 03:38:54 PM
It’s literally this guy and Gase. If Gase doesn’t know what he’s doing or Sam has difficulty working with him, there’s no OC or QB coach to go talk to and learn from.
I really hate our current coaching structure on the offensive side of the ball.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
Darnold by a million
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2020, 06:35:32 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/1222235321171169280?s=20Jones will fumble the bag with a gentle breeze and somehow Darnold's offensive line will manage to freak up his cornhole game.
Darnold by a million
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 30, 2020, 09:15:02 PM
Sam Darnold Pizza Review
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2020, 09:22:07 PM
https://twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/1223025600094334976?s=21The freak is Sam wearing? He's a big lad but that hoody is about four sizes too big for him.
Sam Darnold Pizza Review
Post by: Heismanberg on January 30, 2020, 09:26:20 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 30, 2020, 10:14:50 PM
The freak is Sam wearing? He's a big lad but that hoody is about four sizes too big for him.
This forum is gayer than a big black rooster in the derriere, is every one of you guys fashion police?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 31, 2020, 06:25:52 AM
I hate that he's friends with Josh AllenI think its charity. Might even be tax deductible. Like donating time to an organization for mentally challenged kids.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 31, 2020, 06:27:07 AM
I hate that he's friends with Josh Allen
I always think the same thing but last night I was like you know what? He could be hanging out with Josh Rosen
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2020, 06:47:56 AM
We should probably sign him as an hback or tightend in a few years. I bet that they'd have some good chemistry
Post by: MBGreen on January 31, 2020, 08:45:40 AM
This forum is gayer than a big black rooster in the derriere, is every one of you guys fashion police?
JE wears tight white jeans in public...on purpose.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 01, 2020, 07:45:47 AM
https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/1222235321171169280?s=20
Darnold by a million
Team Darnold won 21-0
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 01, 2020, 07:45:54 AM
Post by: reuben on February 07, 2020, 12:06:55 PM
Post by: Laxin on February 07, 2020, 01:28:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1225808890425679873?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1225808890425679873?s=20)
Constant pressure
Post by: reuben on February 07, 2020, 02:26:33 PM
Constant pressure
It's remarkable.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 07, 2020, 02:28:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1225808890425679873?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Michael_Nania/status/1225808890425679873?s=20)
Follow-up tweet:
Quote from: @Michael_Nania
Replying to
@Michael_Nania
Ton of throws from the Dallas game in here, and there were still a few other great ones left out. That game was an absolute clinic and IMO his best of 2019 / 2nd-best of his career (behind Houston last year): we delved into Darnold's Cowboys game @CYJpod
#tailgatemagic
Post by: Libero_2 on February 07, 2020, 10:08:08 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 09, 2020, 05:10:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 09, 2020, 06:09:56 PM
The Darnold is currently dominating Daniel Jones at cornhole on ESPN2.
You sure isn't just a rerun of their super bowl weekend match up?
Would be pretty weird if this becomes a regular thing
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2020, 06:26:19 PM
You sure isn't just a rerun of their super bowl weekend match up?
Would be pretty weird if this becomes a regular thing
You can’t be this stupid
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 09, 2020, 06:51:44 PM
You can’t be this stupid
The evidence is there.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 09, 2020, 07:24:20 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 09, 2020, 07:36:31 PM
how are we going to afford darnold when he becomes one of the best cornhole players of all time?
Extend him now
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 10, 2020, 04:01:38 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 18, 2020, 05:56:28 PM
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From Weeks 10-17, Sam Darnold took pressure on a higher % of dropbacks than any other qualified QB (41.9%), yet still ranked 10th in passer rating (93.3) & 11th in Y/A (7.3)
Nania
Plz improve the OLine
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 20, 2020, 09:32:21 PM
how are we going to afford darnold when he becomes one of the best cornhole players of all time?
https://youtu.be/-iIIe1xvoZA
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 27, 2020, 08:19:21 AM
Post by: insanity on February 27, 2020, 08:37:32 AM
https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1233021271430062081?s=21
Quote
"Sam Darnold was Joe Burrow 2 Years ago..."
Sam Darnold Age: 22
Joe Burrow Age: 23
Post by: Johnny English on February 27, 2020, 08:44:39 AM
https://twitter.com/briancoz/status/1233021271430062081?s=21
Jets need Brian Costello to "shut the F up".
"Two years later, we’re still not sure if Darnold is definitely the answer for the Jets’ longtime quarterback woes."
Who's not sure? I freaking am. It's not Sam's fault he's coached by a clown.
Post by: Pope on February 27, 2020, 09:03:19 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 27, 2020, 09:06:44 AM
Jets need Brian Costello to "shut the F up".#truth
"Two years later, we’re still not sure if Darnold is definitely the answer for the Jets’ longtime quarterback woes."
Who's not sure? I freaking am. It's not Sam's fault he's coached by a clown.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 27, 2020, 09:17:39 AM
Jets need Brian Costello to "shut the F up".
"Two years later, we’re still not sure if Darnold is definitely the answer for the Jets’ longtime quarterback woes."
Who's not sure? I freaking am. It's not Sam's fault he's coached by a clown.
#truth
Spot. On.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 27, 2020, 09:36:51 AM
Post by: reuben on February 27, 2020, 10:40:13 AM
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Post by: Italian Seafood on February 27, 2020, 11:09:33 AM
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“Sam needs to step the F up,” is how one of his former teammates put it recently.
Not Costello's quote, key word there might be "former". Overall a pretty fair article.
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 27, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
Hard to step the freak up when there's an unblocked defensive tackle coming straight at you.
Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk
Needs to step around, duck, then step the freak up.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 27, 2020, 12:15:10 PM
Not Costello's quote, key word there might be "former". Overall a pretty fair article.
Lame as freak to put that out there without a name. I could write the same bullshit article with no real source.
Also - That could be Eric freaking Tomlinson for all we know, who gives a excrement what he has to say.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 27, 2020, 12:17:19 PM
“We know Darnold hasn’t had an OL, weapons, or any help from his coaching staff, but-”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 27, 2020, 12:23:02 PM
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Darnold needs to get there this year. Jets fans are low on patience. It has been nine years since they have watched their team in a playoff game and nearly 20 since they saw a playoff game at home.
Those fans’ hopes ride on Darnold’s right arm. It is time for him to erase their doubts. The Jets’ 2020 season is riding on it.
Jets haven’t been to the playoffs in 9 years cuz Darnold
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 27, 2020, 12:29:03 PM
To those that didn’t read the article, it was something like this:
“We know Darnold hasn’t had an OL, weapons, or any help from his coaching staff, but-”
Yeah, I figured, which is why I didn't bother.
It should read more like "We know Darnold hasn't had an OL, weapons, or any help from his coaching staff, and yet-"
But then Coz wouldn't be giving Manish a run for his money.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 27, 2020, 12:30:47 PM
EDIT: If Coz is looking at Twitter idiots for "D@rn0ld ain't da enser" quotes, he can go fall off the bridge next time he's on his way to East Rutherford.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 28, 2020, 05:48:04 PM
Post by: Pope on February 28, 2020, 05:53:19 PM
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt this past year because of the state of the offense and injuries but it gave me flashbacks to Sanchez at times. I have full confidence in him and chalk that up to trying to make plays in a lost season with a revolving door of shitty players around him on offense
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 28, 2020, 09:10:03 PM
Biggest thing Sam needs to improve on is limiting some of those reckless plays/throws he’s made randomly in games. Seems every once in a while he’s done something that made us groan in the game threads.
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt this past year because of the state of the offense and injuries but it gave me flashbacks to Sanchez at times. I have full confidence in him and chalk that up to trying to make plays in a lost season with a revolving door of shitty players around him on offense
I don’t think Mark Sanchez was/is a good QB, but that’s an example of a Jets QB the organization did a horrible job of supporting. He was trending upward or at least showing flashes over his first 2 seasons and then they got rid of his best receivers and went from a top 5 OL to Wayne Hunter who may have scarred him for life. Of course Darnold needs to step up but he needs some help. So far he’s been doing pretty much everything on his own.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 28, 2020, 09:54:58 PM
Darnold was tied for 3rd in WR drop % and 9th in number of throwaways
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2020, 01:38:40 AM
I don’t think Mark Sanchez was/is a good QB, but that’s an example of a Jets QB the organization did a horrible job of supporting. He was trending upward or at least showing flashes over his first 2 seasons and then they got rid of his best receivers and went from a top 5 OL to Wayne Hunter who may have scarred him for life. Of course Darnold needs to step up but he needs some help. So far he’s been doing pretty much everything on his own.Agree that he lost a lot of talent but he was propped up by a phenomenal OL, RB, and Defense. I loved the early Sanchez years for our playoff success and his play in the postseason but I think we masked a lot of his deficiencies early on.
Long story short, if the front office set him up to succeed, I’m not so sure Sanchez would have ever progressed beyond your average game-manager type QB
Post by: insanity on February 29, 2020, 06:44:04 AM
Agree that he lost a lot of talent but he was propped up by a phenomenal OL, RB, and Defense. I loved the early Sanchez years for our playoff success and his play in the postseason but I think we masked a lot of his deficiencies early on.So he's Jared goff?
Long story short, if the front office set him up to succeed, I’m not so sure Sanchez would have ever progressed beyond your average game-manager type QB
Post by: Laxin on February 29, 2020, 09:44:32 AM
Random stats I just came across:
Darnold was tied for 3rd in WR drop % and 9th in number of throwaways
The offense as a whole is just so talentless. If Robby walks, the WR group is so thin. Even with Robby they were weak. If they go tackle in the 1st, it would be nice to see them double dip at WR in the 2nd and 3rd.
Post by: insanity on February 29, 2020, 09:47:24 AM
The offense as a whole is just so talentless. If Robby walks, the WR group is so thin. Even with Robby they were weak. If they go tackle in the 1st, it would be nice to see them double dip at WR in the 2nd and 3rd.I agree but wide receiever is literally one of the least important positions in football. All you have to do NH is look at the ravens and 49rrs this year, and then pats every other year
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2020, 09:54:21 AM
So he's Jared goff?That comparison literally makes no sense
Post by: MBGreen on February 29, 2020, 11:00:02 AM
That comparison literally makes no senseActually Jared Goff makes all the sense in the world.
Goff is inconsistent, and has proven he can’t carry his team when push comes to shove....and that’s with elite skill positions and a top oline
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2020, 11:04:04 AM
Actually Jared Goff makes all the sense in the world.The only comparison was that Goff had a good running game and defense. The Rams were blowing the doors off people with their offense. Sanchez rarely had monster statistical games and the Jets had Rex Ryan running a ground and pound, defense driven team.
Goff is inconsistent, and has proven he can’t carry his team when push comes to shove....and that’s with elite skill positions and a top oline
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2020, 11:05:16 AM
Post by: insanity on February 29, 2020, 12:09:42 PM
The only comparison was that Goff had a good running game and defense. The Rams were blowing the doors off people with their offense. Sanchez rarely had monster statistical games and the Jets had Rex Ryan running a ground and pound, defense driven team.
It sounds like you havent watched many Rams games. Goff has great stats, but he does nothing to elevate his teammates. He has a ton of great players around and mcvay system puts him in a position of success.
He is nothing better than an average quarterback.
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2020, 12:11:04 PM
It sounds like you havent watched many Rams games. Goff has great stats, but he does nothing to elevate his teammates. He has a ton of great players around and mcvay system puts him in a position of success.And this is similar to Sanchez how?
He is nothing better than an average quarterback.
Post by: insanity on February 29, 2020, 12:21:39 PM
And this is similar to Sanchez how?
Agree that he lost a lot of talent but he was propped up by a phenomenal OL, RB, and Defense. I loved the early Sanchez years for our playoff success and his play in the postseason but I think we masked a lot of his deficiencies early on.
Long story short, if the front office set him up to succeed, I’m not so sure Sanchez would have ever progressed beyond your average game-manager type QB
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 29, 2020, 01:27:43 PM
The offense as a whole is just so talentless. If Robby walks, the WR group is so thin. Even with Robby they were weak. If they go tackle in the 1st, it would be nice to see them double dip at WR in the 2nd and 3rd.
As long as it's not the second coming of Ardarius Stewart and Chad Hansen
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 29, 2020, 01:44:17 PM
As long as it's not the second coming of Ardarius Stewart and Chad Hansen
Whyyyyyyy? Why ever mention that again?
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2020, 01:47:05 PM
You can make this comparison with probably a third of the teams in the NFL every year. You guys are stupid
Post by: bojanglesman on February 29, 2020, 02:51:59 PM
One of my favorite moments as a Jets fan was that 10 minute time period knowing that Darnold was still on the board at 3 and it was our pick. It was all luck, but Duff was a beautiful sonofabitch that day.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 29, 2020, 03:33:42 PM
As long as it's not the second coming of Ardarius Stewart and Chad Hansen
fvck
Post by: dcm1602 on February 29, 2020, 04:18:46 PM
As long as it's not the second coming of Ardarius Stewart and Chad Hansen
We could always get the next Stephen Hill or Devin Smith instead
Post by: Libero_2 on February 29, 2020, 04:41:17 PM
Friendly reminder that our franchise QB is still 22 years old with 2 years of NFL experience under his belt.
One of my favorite moments as a Jets fan was that 10 minute time period knowing that Darnold was still on the board at 3 and it was our pick. It was all luck, but Duff was a beautiful sonofabitch that day.
Mine was the ten minutes after we took him. I was so afraid we were gonna do something so incredibly stupid
Post by: insanity on February 29, 2020, 05:12:33 PM
You can make this comparison with probably a third of the teams in the NFL every year. You guys are stupidThey're your words to describe sanchez not mine
Post by: insanity on February 29, 2020, 05:12:57 PM
Friendly reminder that our franchise QB is still 22 years old with 2 years of NFL experience under his belt.I unfortunately missed it due to the infinity war premiere =/
One of my favorite moments as a Jets fan was that 10 minute time period knowing that Darnold was still on the board at 3 and it was our pick. It was all luck, but Duff was a beautiful sonofabitch that day.
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2020, 05:13:27 PM
They're your words to describe sanchez not minePlease come to the next tailgate
Post by: Heismanberg on February 29, 2020, 05:22:36 PM
Whyyyyyyy? Why ever mention that again?
What about the triple dip before Hansen and Stewart?
Shaq Evans
Jalen Saunders
Quincy "Mr. Glass" Enunwa
Post by: Jumbo on February 29, 2020, 05:23:56 PM
What about the triple dip before Hansen and Stewart?
Shaq Evans
Jalen Saunders
Quincy "Mr. Glass" Enunwa
All things considered I would think Enunwa is a relative 6th round hit
Post by: Heismanberg on February 29, 2020, 05:25:15 PM
Scotty McKnight
Jeremy Kerley
Jordan White
Stephen Hill
Quincy Enunwa
Shaq Evans
Jalen Saunders
Devin Smith
Charone Peake
Chad Hansen
Ardarius Stewart
Jeremy Kerley, who was completely overrated by our fan base, is the best of this group. Disgusting.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 29, 2020, 05:44:00 PM
All things considered I would think Enunwa is a relative 6th round hit
Up until his contract he was a homerun
That's where we turned him into fail move
Post by: dcm1602 on February 29, 2020, 05:48:35 PM
We've drafted a collection of absolute bums since 2011.
Scotty McKnight
Jeremy Kerley
Jordan White
Stephen Hill
Quincy Enunwa
Shaq Evans
Jalen Saunders
Devin Smith
Charone Peake
Chad Hansen
Ardarius Stewart
Jeremy Kerley, who was completely overrated by our fan base, is the best of this group. Disgusting.
Most of those guys are "relaitvley" what you'd expect for their draft station
I mean a 7th round pick only has just over a 50% chance of lasting his rookie year, and just under that the next year.
5th 6th and 7th round picks all have roughly a 1/3 chance of surviving year 3
The early picks were all freaking diasasters. The rest are honestly fairly typical late round picks
Post by: bojanglesman on February 29, 2020, 06:27:28 PM
Most of those guys are "relaitvley" what you'd expect for their draft stationI can totally relaitv.
I mean a 7th round pick only has just over a 50% chance of lasting his rookie year, and just under that the next year.
5th 6th and 7th round picks all have roughly a 1/3 chance of surviving year 3
The early picks were all freaking diasasters. The rest are honestly fairly typical late round picks
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 29, 2020, 06:38:35 PM
Please come to the next tailgate
He’s been to the last 2, where were you
Post by: Pope on February 29, 2020, 06:41:13 PM
He’s been to the last 2, where were youTraining
Post by: insanity on February 29, 2020, 08:04:26 PM
Please come to the next tailgateWhy? So we can hug?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 29, 2020, 09:03:58 PM
Training
I can respect that.
Why? So we can hug?
Warning: Guard your dick
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 01, 2020, 11:11:06 AM
Scotty McKnight
Jeremy Kerley
Jordan White
Stephen Hill
Quincy Enunwa
Shaq Evans
Jalen Saunders
Devin Smith
Charone Peake
Chad Hansen
Ardarius Stewart
I hate you so much right now.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 01, 2020, 05:51:17 PM
I hate you so much right now.
Why? We should hate our freaking management for that list not Heis. Wanna know why we suck? Because we have 1-2 good draft picks a year and everything else is trash. Most nfl teams find good players by accident sometimes. Here’s hoping Douglas is actually good at this and not just “good for the Jets”
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 01, 2020, 06:42:10 PM
Why? We should hate our freaking management for that list not Heis. Wanna know why we suck? Because we have 1-2 good draft picks a year and everything else is trash. Most nfl teams find good players by accident sometimes. Here’s hoping Douglas is actually good at this and not just “good for the Jets”
IMO 2 good draft picks a year is a home run for us lol. at least in recent times, it doesn't feel like we're that successful with the draft that often
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 02, 2020, 10:39:34 AM
Either Joe Douglas truly understands the value of the draft, and has assembled a team of scouts that have a good eye for talent, or we'll just be repeating this conversation every spring for the next 3 years.
Post by: Johnny English on March 02, 2020, 10:51:59 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 02, 2020, 11:40:11 AM
Or option 3, which is that he'll identify and draft good players and the coaching staff will ruin them. Which is what a lot of draft busts actually are, it's not just the front office picking the wrong guys.
Certainly, the coaching staff matters.
Still, when you draft a list like Heismanberg posted, you're asking an awful lot of a coaching staff to turn them into stars.
This team has been awful at drafting players. Look at how many guys we've drafted in just the last few years that aren't even in the NFL right now--including early-mid-round picks. It's not just this team's coaches that can't make something of them.
You have to draft well in football to be competitive. And this team hasn't for a very long time.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 11:43:08 AM
Or option 3, which is that he'll identify and draft good players and the coaching staff will ruin them. Which is what a lot of draft busts actually are, it's not just the front office picking the wrong guys.
You’ve said this before and it’s a bit of hyperbole in the Jets case. If those players listed had NFL talent, another coaching staff could get it out of them. Most of the Jets busts talked about here are out of the league immediately or practice squad players on other teams.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 11:47:04 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 02, 2020, 11:51:33 AM
Like, Darron Lee is still on his rookie contract, got traded to an ideal situation in the Chiefs, and spent most of the season inactive. That has nothing to do with coaching - He just isn’t any good.
Lorenzo Mauldin was drafted in the third round of 2015 and is a "Hamilton Tiger-Cat" whateverthehell that is.
Has Jachai Polite played a real down of football yet?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2020, 11:53:52 AM
Lorenzo Mauldin was drafted in the third round of 2015 and is a "Hamilton Tiger-Cat" whateverthehell that is.
Has Jachai Polite played a real down of football yet?
Leonard Williams, another guy that didn’t make it through his rookie contract with us, showed us that he likely is who we thought he was with a half season with another coaching staff.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 02, 2020, 12:09:19 PM
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2020, 12:56:32 PM
The last couple posts in this thread just remind me how much Mac sucked.SBTI
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 12:13:58 PM
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From a clean pocket, Sam Darnold had an adjusted completion percentage (filtering out drops, throwaways, etc.) of 81.7% in 2019, 6th-best out of 32 qualifiers.
-Nania
PLZ DRAFT OL
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 12:15:28 PM
From Weeks 10-17, Sam Darnold took pressure on a higher % of dropbacks than any other qualified QB (41.9%), yet still ranked 10th in passer rating (93.3) & 11th in Y/A (7.3)
Nania
Plz improve the OLine
Bump
Post by: Heismanberg on March 10, 2020, 12:45:27 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 10, 2020, 01:08:36 PM
Protect him
Spoken like a coach. The insight.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 10, 2020, 01:18:44 PM
Protect him
As General MacArthur said in his farewell address at West Point: The o-line, the o-line, the o-line.
I think that's how it went anyway.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 01:57:41 PM
Protect himfreak that, he needs extra toilet paper.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 12:28:01 PM
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For any Darnold critics - Sam's 2019:
* 2nd youngest QB to start a game (22 yrs, 95 days)
* took more pressure than any other QB (41.6% of dropbacks)
* supported by the 2nd-worst run game (by DVOA)
* mono + thumb surgery
* other proj W1 starters on O missed 64 games combined
-Nania
PLZ DRAFT OL
Post by: Libero_2 on March 19, 2020, 06:53:58 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1240784617931558912?s=21
You’re welcome
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 07:01:43 PM
Sam Porn
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1240784617931558912?s=21
You’re welcome
30 seconds into this clip and I need Robbie Anderson re-signed ASAP
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 07:05:04 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 07:20:06 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 19, 2020, 07:54:29 PM
30 seconds into this clip and I need Robbie Anderson re-signed ASAP
It was amazing how many TDs Terrell Pryor caught in his 5 weeks here.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 19, 2020, 08:05:47 PM
Post by: reuben on March 19, 2020, 09:53:09 PM
Sam Porn
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1240784617931558912?s=21
You’re welcome
Jeremy Bates can burn, but that fake WR screen go route to Herndon/Robby is a beautiful play.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2020, 08:27:26 AM
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Sam Darnold 2019 Y/A (out of 34 qualifiers):
- From a clean pocket: 8.2 (13th)
- Off of play action: 8.6 (15th)
Nania
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 09:36:00 PM
A budding bromance during dark times
Even added a friend to the mix
But it is nice to see that during all this he's got company to keep him focused on the grind
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2020, 10:19:50 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28978391/kyle-allen-sam-darnold-josh-allen-benefit-joint-workoutsSam Darnold out for the first 4 weeks of the season with covid19.
A budding bromance during dark times
Even added a friend to the mix
But it is nice to see that during all this he's got company to keep him focused on the grind
Post by: Miamipuck on March 31, 2020, 10:23:05 PM
Sam Darnold out for the first 4 weeks of the season with covid19.
I was thinking the same damn thing.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 31, 2020, 10:24:43 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 31, 2020, 10:30:48 PM
Sam Darnold out for the first 4 weeks of the season with covid19.
Corona still gonna be around when the season starts in 2021?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 05:35:37 AM
I hate that he’s friends with Josh Allen
Baker’s only friend is the chick with the fat titties that blew him in the parking lot of Cheesecake Factory
Josh Rosen’s best friends are his mom and dad
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2020, 06:54:26 AM
Josh Rosen’s best friends are his mom and dad
They think he's a dick too.
Post by: MBGreen on April 01, 2020, 02:38:41 PM
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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9m
Joe Douglas said he promised Sam Darnold’s parents last year he’d do “everything in my power” to protect their son — with linemen & playmakers
My GM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 01, 2020, 03:13:15 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2020, 03:14:18 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 24, 2020, 01:34:33 PM
Yes
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 24, 2020, 01:35:10 PM
PLZ DRAFT OL
TY Joe Douglas
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 25, 2020, 03:08:22 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 25, 2020, 06:01:55 AM
Has he said anything about our picks yet?
He said he was driving to Highland Springs Virginia to have a threesome with Becton and his Dad.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 25, 2020, 10:21:51 AM
He said he was driving to Highland Springs Virginia to have a threesome with Becton and his Dad.Technically a 12-some
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 26, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
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At the Super Bowl I saw Sam Darnold and Josh Allen in Miami and Sam was standing a few people behind Josh loudly saying, "Is that JOSH ALLEN? The quarterback of the BUFFALO BILLS?" And Josh was like shut up man and Sam kept going "I can't believe that's JOSH ALLEN!"
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2020, 04:38:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 29, 2020, 04:46:37 PM
Darnold needs to bail on the stache. Looks like a pedo.
You're going to have to show evidence, but I'm willing to bet that it's not close to the worst pedo stache in all of sport.
(https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/photos/auston-matthews-2020-38.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2020, 04:52:43 PM
You're going to have to show evidence, but I'm willing to bet that it's not close to the worst pedo stache in all of sport.Yeah that guy looks bad. He looks like an 80s drug dealer.
(https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/photos/auston-matthews-2020-38.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200429/8eddc506d47cc4616a8dcd6e9d3a414e.jpg)
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2020, 08:59:53 PM
Yeah that guy looks bad. He looks like an 80s drug dealer.Jets QB room
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200429/8eddc506d47cc4616a8dcd6e9d3a414e.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWegw7MXgAEgoSP?format=jpg)
Post by: klaximilian on April 29, 2020, 09:22:19 PM
Or as Puck would say, y'all are a bunch of Peter Puffer fashionista homos. GFY.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 29, 2020, 09:33:24 PM
Darnold can grow a trail of pubes from his upper lip to his taint for all I care
muthafucka this the type of behavior that put him at risk for randy excrement like getting mono in the first place!!!
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2020, 11:29:37 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 03, 2020, 11:41:13 AM
https://twitter.com/QBDataMine/status/1256709769169174528?s=19
You know what I see on those throws? Not a lot of separation by WRs, and a lot of pressure.
He definitely missed some opportunities, and had some poor throws. But another year of development will help. More than that, not having pressure in his face less than a second after he executes the fake will help so much more.
I wish we had gotten at least 1 more guy to help separate and get open for Sam. But protection was always more important.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2020, 11:48:22 AM
It’s also very hard to sell play action when you can’t run the football.
Most of these throws are also shots which are usually completed at a low percentage. He had check down options on most of those attempts.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 03, 2020, 12:03:57 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2020, 12:20:19 PM
A lot of his fakes are not sold.
It’s also very hard to sell play action when you can’t run the football.
Most of these throws are also shots which are usually completed at a low percentage. He had check down options on most of those attempts.
Because no one is biting on it, he doesn't really have any time to set his feet to make the throws. Half of the passes in that video are coming off his back foot.
Post by: Pope on May 03, 2020, 01:38:50 PM
The average yards per rushing attempt was 3.28 for us last year. Worst in the NFL and the worst since Minnesota in 2016 (3.17 yards per rush)
Post by: Heismanberg on May 03, 2020, 02:04:31 PM
I think in order for play action to really be successful you need to have a running game. Last season we couldn’t run the ball at all
The average yards per rushing attempt was 3.28 for us last year. Worst in the NFL and the worst since Minnesota in 2016 (3.17 yards per rush)
I didn't know that about our run blocking.
I knew that our offensive line was historically awful in pass protection. That statistic about the run game just makes it even worse.
Douglas did whatever he could to improve that unit. Let's hope it pays off sooner than later.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 10:21:02 PM
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Sam Darnold career record when wearing the same color jersey and pants: 9-3
Sam Darnold career record when wearing differently colored jersey and pants: 2-12
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 08, 2020, 12:24:43 AM
I didn't know that about our run blocking.The two things in the NFL that can sink an offense are:
I knew that our offensive line was historically awful in pass protection. That statistic about the run game just makes it even worse.
Douglas did whatever he could to improve that unit. Let's hope it pays off sooner than later.
- Atrocious OL play
- Atrocious QB play
It's impossible to overcome atrocious OL play unless you have a QB playing near an elite level. The only team whose line was at our level of ineptitude IMO was Miami, and Ryan Fitzpatrick played his derriere off to keep that offense productive. Darnold wasn't ready to do that last year.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 08, 2020, 12:26:39 AM
Can we bring in Chad as a QB coach so he can teach Sam play-action? I would love that.
Chad faking out CBS cameramen on a weekly basis was a thing of beauty.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2020, 03:37:42 AM
The two things in the NFL that can sink an offense are:
- Atrocious OL play
- Atrocious QB play
It's impossible to overcome atrocious OL play unless you have a QB playing near an elite level. The only team whose line was at our level of ineptitude IMO was Miami, and Ryan Fitzpatrick played his derriere off to keep that offense productive. Darnold wasn't ready to do that last year.
All those years of schotty and you left out the playcalling
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 08, 2020, 06:12:12 AM
All those years of schotty and you left out the playcallingThe players can play well and overcome bad playcalling (within reason). That's not on the same level as QB and OL play.
Give Adam Gase Peyton Manning and he looks like a genius. Give him an atrocious offensive line and a developing QB, and he doesn't. Hopefully with a competent OL, he can help develop Darnold, and the offense can finally be good.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 08, 2020, 08:18:39 AM
The two things in the NFL that can sink an offense are:
- Atrocious OL play
- Atrocious QB play
It's impossible to overcome atrocious OL play unless you have a QB playing near an elite level. The only team whose line was at our level of ineptitude IMO was Miami, and Ryan Fitzpatrick played his derriere off to keep that offense productive. Darnold wasn't ready to do that last year.
Not sure I’m following your point
Fitz: 13 GS, 500 Att, 20 TD, 13 INT, 3529 yards, 62% comp, 7.0 Y/A
Darnold: 13 GS, 441 Att, 19 TD, 13 INT, 3024 Yards, 62% comp, 6.9 Y/A
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 08, 2020, 08:20:13 AM
The players can play well and overcome bad playcalling (within reason). That's not on the same level as QB and OL play.
Give Adam Gase Peyton Manning and he looks like a genius. Give him an atrocious offensive line and a developing QB, and he doesn't. Hopefully with a competent OL, he can help develop Darnold, and the offense can finally be good.
See: Jets vs. NE, when Gase hung Darnold out to dry with an empty backfield while the patriots were running the same zero blitz all game
Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2020, 08:41:23 AM
See: Jets vs. NE, when Gase hung Darnold out to dry with an empty backfield while the patriots were running the same zero blitz all game
It's actually pretty smart to empty the backfield against an all-out blitz.
We had six man protection called on the empty pick he threw. There was a tight end out there to block.
His three other interceptions were with Bell on the field, coming out of the backfield. A lot of those were just terrible decisions. He was out there just throwing the ball up.
Gase has to do a better job coaching to the check down with Sam. He also needs to give him more options in the short game. Herndon will hopefully stay healthy in 2020.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 08, 2020, 10:00:39 AM
Gase has to do a better job at everything
FYP
For someone who despises Gase, the argument is getting tiresome.
FACT: As a HC, Gase's offense have been trash. 24th ranked was his best effort
FACT: As a HC, his offense has gotten worse year over year.
I base my opinion on facts...he sucks.
I don't know what he's shown to make any of you a believer, but hey keep believing.
Post by: klaximilian on May 08, 2020, 12:10:47 PM
/thread crossover
Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2020, 01:29:47 PM
FYP
For someone who despises Gase, the argument is getting tiresome.
FACT: As a HC, Gase's offense have been trash. 24th ranked was his best effort
FACT: As a HC, his offense has gotten worse year over year.
I base my opinion on facts...he sucks.
I don't know what he's shown to make any of you a believer, but hey keep believing.
Thanks Manish
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 08, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
Thanks Manish
LOL
That's like calling any story you disagree with, fake news.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2020, 03:07:12 PM
LOL
That's like calling any story you disagree with, fake news.
Thanks again, Manish
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 08, 2020, 04:26:33 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 08, 2020, 04:33:35 PM
I don't understand where this level of faith in Gase is coming from when his career has been pretty consistent between the Manning and non-Manning years.
He went 10-6 with Miami. The guy had some really bad luck with QB's missing time and seems to be a complete dick, but I'm willing to give him another season with more to work with.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 08, 2020, 04:44:24 PM
I don't understand where this level of faith in Gase is coming from when his career has been pretty consistent between the Manning and non-Manning years.I'm not sure if any Jets fan has a ton of faith in Gase. I think most Jets fans would have been fine if he were fired after last year. But he was dealt a shitty hand last year and went 7-9. Our season win total was 7.5 and we won 7, and after the Darnold mono, the OL issues, and all the injuries, I don't think we were even that good.
He was hired by several teams because they thought he was competent. He won 10 games in Miami. When his starting quarterbacks have stayed healthy, his teams have had winning records.
Joe Douglas seems to be respected around the league, and he seems to like Gase. Darnold seems to love Gase, though obviously, if he didn't like Gase, he wouldn't say that publicly.
He needs to do a better job this year. We all know that. So far, Gase has mostly talked a good game as a coach but hasn't produced. It's time to produce.
Darnold isn't at the same point, but he also has to produce. His 5th-year option decision is next offseason. It's highly likely we will exercise it, but if he regresses/gets hurt and Gase gets fired, who knows what Douglas and a new coach will want to do at QB.
Post by: Johnny English on May 08, 2020, 04:50:15 PM
Darnold isn't at the same point, but he also has to produce. His 5th-year option decision is next offseason. It's highly likely we will exercise it, but if he regresses/gets hurt and Gase gets fired, who knows what Douglas and a new coach will want to do at QB.
Imagine wasting Sam Darnold. That might be the Jetsiest thing ever.
Post by: Pope on May 08, 2020, 08:32:29 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2020, 09:42:59 PM
I'm not sure if any Jets fan has a ton of faith in Gase. I think most Jets fans would have been fine if he were fired after last year. But he was dealt a shitty hand last year and went 7-9. Our season win total was 7.5 and we won 7, and after the Darnold mono, the OL issues, and all the injuries, I don't think we were even that good.
He was hired by several teams because they thought he was competent. He won 10 games in Miami. When his starting quarterbacks have stayed healthy, his teams have had winning records.
Joe Douglas seems to be respected around the league, and he seems to like Gase. Darnold seems to love Gase, though obviously, if he didn't like Gase, he wouldn't say that publicly.
He needs to do a better job this year. We all know that. So far, Gase has mostly talked a good game as a coach but hasn't produced. It's time to produce.
Darnold isn't at the same point, but he also has to produce. His 5th-year option decision is next offseason. It's highly likely we will exercise it, but if he regresses/gets hurt and Gase gets fired, who knows what Douglas and a new coach will want to do at QB.
Short of Darnold falling into a coma or getting a limb amputated, the dudes 5th year options getting executed.
Even if he regressed, he's shown enough in previous stints to warrant a low commitment one year option.
I know you said it's unlikely, but it's a zero percent chance far as I'm concerned
Post by: Johnny English on May 14, 2020, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: Badger on May 14, 2020, 06:05:44 PM
https://twitter.com/MMcCarthyREV/status/1261000298786668546I will watch this.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 17, 2020, 08:49:35 AM
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2020, 08:55:49 AM
I will watch this.Thought it was today, disappointed now
Post by: delavan on May 17, 2020, 08:42:24 PM
Thought it was today, disappointed nowCBS Sports Network next Sunday (5/24) at 2:00 pm
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tony-romo-to-interview-daniel-jones-josh-allen-sam-darnold-on-cbs-special-in-the-huddle-with-tony-romo/
Post by: loyaljetsfan on May 20, 2020, 11:34:36 AM
https://www.nj.com/jets/2020/05/espn-analyst-jets-sam-darnold-is-better-than-ravens-lamar-jackson-the-reigning-nfl-mvp.html
Post by: Johnny English on May 20, 2020, 11:51:23 AM
Dan Orlovsky: Lamar Jackson < Sam Darnold
https://www.nj.com/jets/2020/05/espn-analyst-jets-sam-darnold-is-better-than-ravens-lamar-jackson-the-reigning-nfl-mvp.html
Article opens with this:
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Of all the bold statements and hot takes we will hear before the 2020 NFL season, this one might be the most ridiculous.
and then goes on to make the actually not very ridiculous at all statement that the relative success of each of them is significantly impacted by the environment in which they're playing.
Post by: Libero_2 on May 20, 2020, 12:09:57 PM
Article opens with this:
and then goes on to make the actually not very ridiculous at all statement that the relative success of each of them is significantly impacted by the environment in which they're playing.
I think it opens this way because the author isn't Orlovsky, the guy making the claim. When he presents Orlovksy's arguement, it makes plenty of sense. But since 80-90% of the article is Orlovsky quotes, I'm not sure how much journalism work went into the actual article.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 20, 2020, 03:55:38 PM
I think it opens this way because the author isn't Orlovsky, the guy making the claim. When he presents Orlovksy's arguement, it makes plenty of sense. But since 80-90% of the article is Orlovsky quotes, I'm not sure how much journalism work went into the actual article.Very little. But journalists these days are often forced to generate content for the sake of content and for the sake of clicks, so writing about other people's hot takes is an easy way to accomplish that.
Post by: Jumbo on May 24, 2020, 06:31:37 PM
CBS Sports Network next Sunday (5/24) at 2:00 pm
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tony-romo-to-interview-daniel-jones-josh-allen-sam-darnold-on-cbs-special-in-the-huddle-with-tony-romo/
did anyone actually end up watching this
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2020, 07:12:48 PM
did anyone actually end up watching thisNo
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 09:08:49 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 09:17:57 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2020, 09:57:06 AM
His birthday gift: protection.
and mono immunity
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 07, 2020, 08:43:11 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 08, 2020, 07:18:27 AM
His birthday gift: protection.
After the mono thing hopefully this will keep him from getting the HIV
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2020, 07:46:26 AM
After the mono thing hopefully this will keep him from getting the HIVBreaking: Darnold has leprosy.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 09, 2020, 09:37:16 AM
Mims
Crowder
Perriman
Herndon
Bell
Gore
All expected to be there
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 09, 2020, 12:18:48 PM
Darnold is leading private workouts for the offense in Florida later in the week
Mims
Crowder
Perriman
Herndon
Bell
Gore
All expected to be there
This is a good thing.
Bad thing is he's doing this in Miami...hopefully no one gets COVID.
Post by: insanity on June 09, 2020, 12:44:13 PM
This is a good thing.Sam: Gets COVID-19
Bad thing is he's doing this in Miami...hopefully no one gets COVID.
Manish: Sources say Joe Douglas is looking for a new franchise quarterback as he can't trust virus-prone Darnold.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2020, 01:02:40 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2020, 01:03:13 PM
Darnold is leading private workouts for the offense in Florida later in the week
Mims
Crowder
Perriman
Herndon
Bell
Gore
All expected to be there
Perine couldn’t make the trip
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2020, 01:04:01 PM
MY COLUMN:
Post by: insanity on June 09, 2020, 01:24:48 PM
https://twitter.com/snyjets/status/1270404752069791751?s=21
That throw by Sam (I think) makes no sense. The form is god awful, he looks like should have no zip on it, but Bam, right on the money.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 09, 2020, 06:03:08 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 09, 2020, 07:54:01 PM
Now is the time to get Covid. All the Jets should team up together to get Covid right now so they will be fine during the season.With our luck, they’d die.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 09, 2020, 08:04:20 PM
With our luck, they’d die.
More cap space
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 09, 2020, 08:20:46 PM
More cap space
Easy to afford weapons for Sam when you don't have to pay Sam.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 10, 2020, 07:46:05 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2020, 07:59:53 AM
Tough Shop will be the only one to survive
Loggins will repopulate the world.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 10, 2020, 08:10:10 AM
Loggins will repopulate the world.He doesn't need the female gender. He can breed himself.
Post by: MBGreen on June 10, 2020, 08:23:34 AM
Loggins will repopulate the world.
this is worse than cops beating down black folks.
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 08:34:12 AM
He doesn't need the female gender. He can breed himself.Mitosis Loggins
Post by: bojanglesman on June 10, 2020, 08:44:37 AM
Mitosis LogginsLol.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 17, 2020, 07:22:20 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 17, 2020, 07:32:01 AM
https://twitter.com/loyalnyjetfans/status/1273127321176850432?s=12
Trade Tough Shop Boggains for Saquon immediately.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 06:52:30 AM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 06, 2020, 06:46:43 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 06, 2020, 07:04:56 PM
Seeing Mahomes number (47 million a year for 10 years) and assuming Darnold has a decent season for us. How much do you think he will be extended for?
Ask dcm
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 06, 2020, 07:16:59 PM
Ask dcm
freak, do I really have to do that? 😰. Whats the joke that I'm missing here?
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 06, 2020, 07:30:57 PM
Seeing Mahomes number (47 million a year for 10 years) and assuming Darnold has a decent season for us. How much do you think he will be extended for?If Darnold only has a "decent" season, we probably won't extend him at all after this year.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 07, 2020, 05:37:17 AM
If Darnold only has a "decent" season, we probably won't extend him at all after this year.
You think? And start with the QB carousel again? A season with decent numbers. 64% completion, 3900 yds, 25 TD's 15 INT's should be enough for us to extend him.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2020, 07:02:18 AM
You think? And start with the QB carousel again? A season with decent numbers. 64% completion, 3900 yds, 25 TD's 15 INT's should be enough for us to extend him.
No we would just wait until the following year to extend him. And if he doesn't prove himself then, we play out his 5th year rookie option with the tag as our extension leverage and probably bring in some legitimate competition at that point.
This is year 3 for Darnold.
Unless Darnold takes a huge step forward in year 3, odds are its another year or two before his extension unless Darnold takes after Jamal and Revis
Darnold isn't getting an extension after this season with 3900 yards 25 TD's and 15 INT's.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 07, 2020, 07:03:47 AM
You think? And start with the QB carousel again? A season with decent numbers. 64% completion, 3900 yds, 25 TD's 15 INT's should be enough for us to extend him.
For this franchise, those are basically record breaking numbers. Which means that we would resign him for that production.
Also he doesn’t actually need to be resigned this year with the option. We could wait a year to see if he can repeat it.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2020, 07:07:12 AM
For this franchise, those are basically record breaking numbers. Which means that we would resign him for that production.
Also he doesn’t actually need to be resigned this year with the option. We could wait a year to see if he can repeat it.
Comparing him to franchise records is irrelevant.
Those numbers would probably land him somewhere between the 13th and 20th best QB in the league. More likely in the middle of that.
Sam being the 16tb best QB in the league next year wouldn't be disappointing, but I wouldn't go give him a monster extension for it either
Post by: Libero_2 on July 07, 2020, 07:56:19 AM
Comparing him to franchise records is irrelevant.
Those numbers would probably land him somewhere between the 13th and 20th best QB in the league. More likely in the middle of that.
Sam being the 16tb best QB in the league next year wouldn't be disappointing, but I wouldn't go give him a monster extension for it either
I said resign him, not record breaking deal
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2020, 08:11:21 AM
I said resign him, not record breaking deal
I'm not expecting a record breaking deal either.
But I'm also not expecting Darnold to take an extension that isn't right outside the cusp of eltie money. And I'm not expecting JD to give it to a QB under contract for 2 more years after having an average season.
Unless Darnold absolutely lights excrement the freak up, he's probably not getting a new contract.
Not to mention who extends a QB that you have under contract for several years when you don't even know how he performs under the next HC?
It doesn't make sense to bring in a brand new QB and basically say your HC career is over if Darnold doesn't succeed (as any extension would basically guarantee 3 to 4 more years of Darnold as starter)
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2020, 08:16:15 AM
Darnold isn't getting an extension after this season with 3900 yards 25 TD's and 15 INT's.
It would be kind of funny/sad if we did give him an extension after a 2020 season like that since it would be so similar to what we did post 2011. To see JD make the same gamble that Tanny did would be... discomforting.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 07, 2020, 11:26:04 AM
I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to doing it because I am a Darnold believer, but there would definitely be a lot of parallels.
It would be kind of funny/sad if we did give him an extension after a 2020 season like that since it would be so similar to what we did post 2011. To see JD make the same gamble that Tanny did would be... discomforting.
We still have time with Darnold. We dont need to resign him before we have to. If he doesnt take a major step forward, there is no reason to commit long-term since we still have him for 2 more years including the 5th-year option, plus a potential franchise tag.
We all like Darnold, but he hasnt proven anything yet.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 07, 2020, 12:58:16 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 07, 2020, 01:17:22 PM
Darnold has already proven himself to be a lot more capable of carrying a team than Sanchez ever was.When?
Post by: Heismanberg on July 07, 2020, 01:35:35 PM
When?
x2
Post by: MBGreen on July 07, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
When?
x2
After Gase gets canned
Post by: insanity on July 07, 2020, 01:45:26 PM
We all like Darnold, but he hasnt proven anything yet.
He's proven he's not a bust.
Post by: Johnny English on July 07, 2020, 02:18:29 PM
Darnold has already proven himself to be a lot more capable of carrying a team than Sanchez ever was.
I don't think it's a very fair comparison given the wildly different teams they each had around them in their first couple of years.
I think that Darnold has dealt better with playing in a bad team better than Sanchez might have done, and I believe that Darnold's talent and ceiling are much greater.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2020, 02:56:34 PM
He's proven he's not a bust.
I mean he's proven he will likely still be a starter for a team in 3 or 4 years.
Has he proven he was worthy of the 3rd overall pick yet? TBD
Though he's got the promise
Post by: bojanglesman on July 07, 2020, 03:14:28 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 07, 2020, 07:13:16 PM
He's proven he's not a bust.No he hasn't. He hasn't done anything yet. If he didn't play for the Jets, every single person on this message board would call him a bust.
I am very confident in Darnold, but it's because of what I think he can do in the future more than what he's done in the past. I think Darnold will take a big step forward this season and cement himself as the long-term answer.
But last 2 years, he ranks near the bottom of the NFL in most major statistical categories. He has a lot of excuses why that is. But if Darnold doesn't take a step forward, the narrative will immediately switch to, "He was never that good," just like it did with everyone else we made excuses for at the beginning of their Jets' tenures before giving up on.
The same people who rip Sanchez now are the same people who made excuses for him early in his career. I'm not innocent either.
Post by: Libero_2 on July 07, 2020, 07:44:52 PM
No he hasn't. He hasn't done anything yet. If he didn't play for the Jets, every single person on this message board would call him a bust.
I am very confident in Darnold, but it's because of what I think he can do in the future more than what he's done in the past. I think Darnold will take a big step forward this season and cement himself as the long-term answer.
But last 2 years, he ranks near the bottom of the NFL in most major statistical categories. He has a lot of excuses why that is. But if Darnold doesn't take a step forward, the narrative will immediately switch to, "He was never that good," just like it did with everyone else we made excuses for at the beginning of their Jets' tenures before giving up on.
The same people who rip Sanchez now are the same people who made excuses for him early in his career. I'm not innocent either.
Honestly, the best thing for us is unquestionably that Sam leads us to the playoffs this year playing lights out and performing as a near MVP candidate.
But if Sam doesn't make major strides, I can easily see this team falling backwards with our tough schedule and ending up going 4-12 or 5-11. Nobody wants to see that happen, but if it does, everyone will be saying that Sam never was good enough, and a large portion of the fanbase will be looking for the next kid to tie our hopes too.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 07, 2020, 07:50:57 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 07, 2020, 07:57:13 PM
Honestly, the best thing for us is unquestionably that Sam leads us to the playoffs this year playing lights out and performing as a near MVP candidate.Our defense should be top-15 in the NFL and maybe borderline top 10. If we go 4-12, it's probably because the offense struggled. If the offensive line is competent and Darnold is the real deal like we all think he is, we should not be going 4-12 unless we get really unlucky.
But if Sam doesn't make major strides, I can easily see this team falling backwards with our tough schedule and ending up going 4-12 or 5-11. Nobody wants to see that happen, but if it does, everyone will be saying that Sam never was good enough, and a large portion of the fanbase will be looking for the next kid to tie our hopes too.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 07, 2020, 07:59:58 PM
Our defense should be top-15 in the NFL and maybe borderline top 10. If we go 4-12, it's probably because the offense struggled. If the offensive line is competent and Darnold is the real deal like we all think he is, we should not be going 4-12 unless we get really unlucky.Schedule man. We are playing top tier teams. Few cupcakes.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 07, 2020, 08:12:02 PM
Our defense should be top-15 in the NFL and maybe borderline top 10. If we go 4-12, it's probably because the offense struggled. If the offensive line is competent and Darnold is the real deal like we all think he is, we should not be going 4-12 unless we get really unlucky.
Our corners and pass rush still stink
Post by: Libero_2 on July 07, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
Our corners and pass rush still stink
And the possibility remains that we lose Adams or he refuses to play/whatever.
That means that our defense quite likely won’t be as good as it’s ranking was last year.
Add in our lack of playmakers and 1-2 injuries and we will be trotting out replacement players to support Sam.
In my eyes if everything breaks right (and Sam takes a big leap) we will push for the postseason. But if everything breaks the wrong way, we can easily be staring at a 4-12 or 5-11 type season. Our team is improved over a year ago, but it’s not dramatic and still lacking in depth and significant areas at that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 07, 2020, 08:26:44 PM
Our corners and pass rush still stinkWe bring back pretty much every key piece from a defense that was 13th in efficiency last season, and we add C.J. Mosley and Avery Williamson.
And while the cornerback group still isn't good, it's significantly better on paper than last year, just for the depth alone. The defensive line is full of young players who could continue to get better, led by Quinnen Williams, who hopefully can make a big leap forward.
If we aren't a top-15 defense, something went seriously wrong (Jamal holding out is the most likely thing to go wrong).
Post by: Johnny English on July 07, 2020, 08:28:35 PM
Nobody wants to see that happen, but if it does, everyone will be saying that Sam never was good enough
No they won't. If Sam doesn't make it then it's because we failed him. He has all the talent.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 07, 2020, 10:31:12 PM
When?
Darnold's proven he can do a lot more with less than Sanchez ever did. He couldn't have had much less to work with his first two seasons and look at his stats down the stretch both years. Sanchez had two great playoff runs on great teams. That's it. It's not even worth comparing the two, the difference is so night and day.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 07, 2020, 10:34:25 PM
No they won't. If Sam doesn't make it then it's because we failed him. He has all the talent.
Couldn't agree more.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 07, 2020, 10:35:57 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 07, 2020, 10:36:50 PM
Darnold's proven he can do a lot more with less than Sanchez ever could. He couldn't have had much less his first two seasons and look at his stats down the stretch both years. Sanchez had two great playoff runs on great teams. That's it. It's not even worth comparing the two, the difference is so night and day.
Being better than Sanchez doesn't prove that you're a good NFL QB.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 07, 2020, 10:37:48 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 07, 2020, 10:38:57 PM
Being better than Sanchez doesn't prove that you're a good NFL QB.
Of course not. I said Darnold has proven himself more capable of carrying a team than Sanchez ever did and people shot back at me.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 07, 2020, 10:41:22 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 07, 2020, 11:39:18 PM
We won 7 games last year with a QB that missed a month due to mono and a shitty/injury-riddled roster. You think Sanchez or most other quarterbacks could do that?So when we're questioning Adam Gase, the great finish is because of the bad schedule.
When we're praising Sam Darnold, we ignore the bad schedule.
Nobody thinks Darnold is a bust. But the idea that he has proven anything yet is simply false.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 08, 2020, 12:06:59 AM
So when we're questioning Adam Gase, the great finish is because of the bad schedule.
When we're praising Sam Darnold, we ignore the bad schedule.
Nobody thinks Darnold is a bust. But the idea that he has proven anything yet is simply false.
I haven't brought up the schedule in either context, but yes, we're all aware that it was weak down the stretch. That doesn't change the fact that Darnold went 7-3 as a starter with a terrible, diminished supporting cast after starting the season with mono. He's already proven himself to be more capable of carrying a team than Sanchez ever was. That was my only point and I only made it because Badger's comment comparing the prospect of extending Darnold with Sanchez's extension in 2012 ticked me off.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 08, 2020, 12:14:17 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 08, 2020, 12:24:09 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 08, 2020, 12:41:37 AM
Sanchez would have ultimately failed if we had put the pieces around him or not. Barring injury, Darnold will not fail if we put the pieces around him.I think you're right, but I won't speak in absolutes until he actually does it.
Two years into Sanchez, we thought we had a good quarterback, too. After the 2010 AFC Championship Game, most of us believed Sanchez would be the guy. In 2011, he scored 32 touchdowns (26 passing, 6 rushing). Then in 2012, he completely fell off a cliff.
Sanchez and Darnold are different cases. Neither has put up good numbers through 2 seasons. Sanchez had an elite supporting cast, but he also started and won 4 road playoff games. He didn't carry the team, but he played more than well enough to win. Darnold has been better than Sanchez was, but he also doesn't have the cache of winning the playoff games.
I just disagree with the idea that he's a lock to get an extension after this season no matter what and that he's proven he's the long-term answer. We can let this play out. If he does what you, me, and most Jets fans think Darnold can do, maybe we do look for an extension after this season, but even then, I think it's more likely he gets the extension after 2021 than after 2020.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 08, 2020, 12:55:52 AM
Personally, I can't envision a scenario where extending him is going to turn out to be a mistake but that's probably because I've been in on this kid since he was a freshman at USC and nothing I've seen thus far has turned me off of what I believe he is as a talent.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2020, 05:13:13 AM
Also, wake me up when Darnold has a top 10 OLine
Post by: insanity on July 08, 2020, 06:40:16 AM
Nobody thinks Darnold is a bust. But the idea that he has proven anything yet is simply false.
So then he has proven he's not a bust...
Great, thank you
Post by: MBGreen on July 08, 2020, 06:56:18 AM
We would have made it to at least 1 SB if we had Darnold instead of Sanchez during the 09-10 run
Also, wake me up when Darnold has a top 10 OLine
this
Post by: Heismanberg on July 08, 2020, 08:49:17 AM
Nobody thinks Darnold is a bust.
Man, you just said that if we weren't Jets fans, we'd think Darnold was a bust.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 08, 2020, 08:50:04 AM
Baker Mayfield is very close to becoming a bust. His supporting cast is the best and he's done absolutely nothing with it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 08, 2020, 03:01:51 PM
Josh Rosen is a bust.My point was if someone on a rival team had Sam Darnold's numbers, we certainly wouldn't consider him a good quarterback.
Baker Mayfield is very close to becoming a bust. His supporting cast is the best and he's done absolutely nothing with it.
You just proved my point with Baker Mayfield. His numbers are better than Sam's in pretty much every category except interception rate, and even that's very close (3.4% to 3.3%). Yes, he has a better receiving corps, but his offensive line was also hot garbage in 2019. Is Sam "very close to becoming a bust?"
I don't consider Sam a bust. I don't consider Baker a bust. I don't consider Josh Allen a bust. But I don't think any of the three quarterbacks have proven they are the long-term answers either. I'm confident Sam will prove to be the long-term answer. I bought his jersey because I think he'll be our quarterback for the next 10+ years. I just want him to prove it first before I deal in absolutes.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 08, 2020, 03:19:36 PM
You just proved my point with Baker Mayfield. His numbers are better than Sam's in pretty much every category except interception rate, and even that's very close (3.4% to 3.3%). Yes, he has a better receiving corps, but his offensive line was also hot garbage in 2019.
If Sam Darnold had Landry, Beckham, Njoku, and Chubb, we'd likely be getting ready to pay him big money.
Mayfield stinks and always had a high bust rate because he's a cocky midget that came out of a system that inflated his numbers.
You also don't have a point because you've said Darnold is a bust and that he isn't in a matter of 24 hours.
You have all the excuses in the world for Mayfield, but Darnold has an awful skill talent around him and one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. Mayfield is in a much better position and has comparable stats. That says a lot about Darnold.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 08, 2020, 03:20:09 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 08, 2020, 03:31:57 PM
All this started was because I questioned giving Darnold an extension after this season because Mahomes and Darnold are two completely separate cases. Mahomes has proven he's a star. Darnold is still more potential than production at this point. Once the production matches the potential, we will pay him.
I love Darnold. I'm just trying to be rational.
Post by: Johnny English on July 08, 2020, 03:35:39 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 08, 2020, 03:39:37 PM
If Baker had the same production and same supporting cast with the Jets, there is no way we would call him a bust.
Exactly, but Mayfield is in a much better situation, putting up similar numbers. That's why he's very close to becoming a bust, because Cleveland is likely going to give up on him faster given the talent they've put around him.
Sam's best target was Robby Anderson, who is an elite deep threat and nothing else. Not necessarily the best kind of weapon to have when you can't block.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 08, 2020, 03:56:34 PM
I am struggling to rationalise the mindset that thinks we could/should extend Darnold at the end of this season, but that Adams should shut up and suck it up for another year.
One's a quarterback and the other's not. I never suggested we should definitely extend him after this season. We should only do that if his play warrants it. That being said, it's a lot easier to justify paying a quarterback two years ahead of free agency than it is a safety.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 08, 2020, 03:57:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 08, 2020, 04:10:26 PM
One's a quarterback and the other's not. I never suggested we should definitely extend him after this season. We should only do that if his play warrants it. That being said, it's a lot easier to justify paying a quarterback two years ahead of free agency than it is a safety.
One's going to get quarterback money and the other's not. I can't see any rationale behind extending a QB after three years with only one truly good season beneath his belt (regardless of how much the other two are down to him or not) while also telling one of the best defensive players to be drafted in ten years, a team MVP, a first team All Pro, second team All Pro and two time Pro Bowler in his first three years in the league, that we'd rather hang on to the dollars and the cap space for another year than pay him what he's clearly worth.
FWIW, I'm all over extending both after their third year. I'm sick of watching good players leave.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 08, 2020, 04:20:50 PM
Exactly, but Mayfield is in a much better situation, putting up similar numbers. That's why he's very close to becoming a bust, because Cleveland is likely going to give up on him faster given the talent they've put around him.
Sam's best target was Robby Anderson, who is an elite deep threat and nothing else. Not necessarily the best kind of weapon to have when you can't block.
Not to mention Darnold just turned 23
Bakers about to turn 26
That's a huge developmental period on a human level
Post by: MBGreen on July 08, 2020, 04:45:18 PM
Not to mention Darnold just turned 23So you’re saying Baker has more pubes than Darnold
Bakers about to turn 26
That's a huge developmental period on a human level
Post by: MBGreen on July 28, 2020, 01:58:26 PM
@RichCimini
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Darnold on Gase: “He’s the right leader for this team, for sure.” #jets
jesus
Post by: Heismanberg on July 28, 2020, 02:06:13 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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Darnold on Gase: “He’s the right leader for this team, for sure.” #jets
jesus
What the freak do you want him to say?
He clearly likes the guy.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 28, 2020, 02:08:24 PM
(Highly sarcastic)
Post by: Libero_2 on July 28, 2020, 02:13:18 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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4m
Darnold on Gase: “He’s the right leader for this team, for sure.” #jets
jesus
He’s now the de facto leader of the team in the eyes of everyone now that Jamal is gone. Adams just lit his coach on fire to get out of town. It doesn’t matter what we want or believe, Gase is the guy for this offseason. Of course the media was gonna ask Sam is he the right guy after Adams BS.
If Sam had publically agreed with Jamal, we’d be a complete disaster from a PR perspective. Management/ownership believed in Gase enough to bring him back, so everyone in the building needs to support the guy until he isn’t any more. It’s that simple.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 28, 2020, 02:16:59 PM
Rich Cimini
@RichCimini
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4m
Darnold on Gase: “He’s the right leader for this team, for sure.” #jets
jesus
What else would you expect him to say?
Sam understands that he needs to provide the "right" answers to the media after the Adams fiasco.
Not reading into it anymore than that.
Post by: MBGreen on July 28, 2020, 02:25:39 PM
What the freak do you want him to say?
He clearly likes the guy.
I expect Gase to be fired, so Sam isn't forced to lie thru his teeth.
Post by: IATA on July 28, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
I expect Gase to be fired, so Sam isn't forced to lie thru his teeth.
you've been a jets fan long enough to know better, sir.
Post by: MBGreen on July 28, 2020, 02:29:41 PM
you've been a jets fan long enough to know better, sir.
doesn't mean i have to take it.
Post by: Badger on July 28, 2020, 02:31:38 PM
doesn't mean i have to take it.You'll take it and you'll like it, Favrenstein
Post by: MBGreen on July 28, 2020, 02:32:26 PM
You'll take it and you'll like it, Favrenstein
eat excrement, flamingpenguin51
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 28, 2020, 02:40:05 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on July 28, 2020, 03:18:35 PM
I expect Gase to be fired, so Sam isn't forced to lie thru his teeth.
We all do. But the only way Gase is getting fired tomorrow is if he kills a kid. He won’t be fired at this point until football is played. You can bitch all you want, but that fact isn’t changing
Post by: loyaljetsfan on July 28, 2020, 03:28:40 PM
We all do. But the only way Gase is getting fired tomorrow is if he kills a kid. He won’t be fired at this point until football is played. You can bitch all you want, but that fact isn’t changing
Imagine this.....
Loggainz gives Gase COVID. Both are gone for season.
Darnold assumes the role of OC and calls his own plays leading us to an AFC East title.
Gase and Loggainz are excrement canned.
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 28, 2020, 05:16:03 PM
Gase is here to work with the quarterback. I think Darnold loves Gase. The problems are how Gase interacts with the rest of the team and that the offense was not productive year. If it isnt productive this year, Gase is gone and Darnold is on the clock.
nah remember darnold bitching and fighting with gase on the sidelines towards the end of the year
he looked like a pouty cali boy but he was doing the damn thing
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2020, 06:13:18 PM
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Darnold said he’ll stay in his apartment and go to practice and that’s it. Prepared for a boring life off the field this season.
That’s my Quarterback
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2020, 09:49:14 PM
Put your big dick jeans on for this one
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2020, 10:30:35 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1293336898551681026?s=21
Put your big dick jeans on for this one
I start to feel the hype, then remember there were countless articles saying the exact same things about Sanchez.
Not to suggest i don't think Darnolds better than Sanchez, but I've heard the song and dance before
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 12, 2020, 12:42:02 AM
There is this though.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfL2ugLXYAYG9Dg?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2020, 08:50:40 AM
“Confident enough”
“Get in line, Learn, Be humble”
“Great fit”
“Can throw the ball straight” or “decent footwork” would have been outright lies.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2020, 08:52:11 AM
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for a guy he spent 2.5 years with.
“Confident enough”
“Get in line, Learn, Be humble”
“Great fit”
“Can throw the ball straight” or “decent footwork” would have been outright lies.
Months, not years.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2020, 08:53:16 AM
Months, not years.
Good catch.
“In the meantime” = “He’s not a starter anytime soon”
Post by: Heismanberg on August 12, 2020, 10:41:28 AM
DICK HAMMER JUNIOR
Post by: loyaljetsfan on August 12, 2020, 12:13:10 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1293336898551681026?s=21
Put your big dick jeans on for this one
Got all excited...then reality set in and realized Gase is still here.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 11, 2020, 01:48:26 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 11, 2020, 03:28:29 PM
https://twitter.com/_tonyjefferson/status/1304451760895918083?s=21Gonna be fun when it's Sam Darnold's 8th NFL season and we're still saying we can't fully judge him because we've put no talent around him.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 11, 2020, 03:44:04 PM
let's go
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 11, 2020, 03:44:17 PM
Gonna be fun when it's Sam Darnold's 8th NFL season and we're still saying we can't fully judge him because we've put no talent around him.
Like the inverse of Ken O’Brien; build an OLine and ignore the WR corps
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 06:02:06 PM
Line a lot better than how he played thanks to garbage time and the Crowder screen
Post by: bojanglesman on September 13, 2020, 06:08:25 PM
21-35, 215 yards, 1 TD, 1 INTSame with Herndon.
Line a lot better than how he played thanks to garbage time and the Crowder screen
Post by: Heismanberg on September 13, 2020, 08:52:30 PM
He missed too many gimmes (even if a garbage supporting cast) and he was overwhelmed by Buffalo's strong defense. We aren't going to play too many teams that cover better than Buffalo, but it's not ideal to see him make so many rookie-esque mistakes (the interception, running out of bounds instead of throwing it away, checking to a smoke screen due to a failed blitz read).
He is still not handling pressure or shown pressure well at all.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 09:53:01 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2020, 09:55:46 PM
We just got a first hand raw face in how to develop a QB. No one here thinks Josh Allen is a good QB. He’s been put in an excellent position to succeed due to coaching, OL, run game, and weapons. The Bills were in no better place as a franchise than the Jets when we drafted QBs. The Jets have failed Sam Darnold. Watching Allen succeed comparatively is freaking sickening.
That’s OK we’ll just draft another QB and this time it will be different.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 13, 2020, 10:07:57 PM
That’s OK we’ll just draft another QB and this time it will be different.
It’ll be GM X or Coach Y’s fault it didn’t work out. As long as there’s someone to blame Jets fans come out on top.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 13, 2020, 10:10:16 PM
It’ll be GM X or Coach Y’s fault it didn’t work out. As long as there’s someone to blame Jets fans come out on top.
Yup. Right after every Jets fan gets done cranking 20 out in a row after the pick.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2020, 05:32:42 AM
It’ll be GM X or Coach Y’s fault it didn’t work out. As long as there’s someone to blame Jets fans come out on top.It's my fault.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 08:47:20 AM
Rolling left, throws across his body back into the middle of the field (the biggest no-no in quarterbacking) into triple coverage. You could make an argument that it's quadruple coverage because the free safety is closing in on the target.
One of the worst decisions I've seen from a NYJ QB.
This is a baffling play design too.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 08:57:57 AM
https://twitter.com/MichaelKistNFL/status/1305491493935697921?s=20
Rolling left, throws across his body back into the middle of the field (the biggest no-no in quarterbacking) into triple coverage. You could make an argument that it's quadruple coverage because the free safety is closing in on the target.
One of the worst decisions I've seen from a NYJ QB.
This is a baffling play design too.
Why are both of our outside receivers 40-50 yards downfield on 3rd and 6?
If you watch Bell, he was never getting the ball.
So it looks like the guy in quadruple coverage was the guy Gase schemed open.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 09:50:08 AM
Why are both of our outside receivers 40-50 yards downfield on 3rd and 6?
If you watch Bell, he was never getting the ball.
So it looks like the guy in quadruple coverage was the guy Gase schemed open.
But he's not open, so the defense won. Either run for a couple or throw it away. It's a boneheaded decision, poor playcall or not. Buffalo had him fooled all game.
I'd love to see the All-22 look of this play. I have no idea what the X and Z receivers are doing on this play.
Bell was the check down, but Darnold felt pressure and bailed. Bell might've had an option route there and chose to sit. He should've worked his way back to Sam once he started rolling.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 10:23:04 AM
Post by: ons on September 14, 2020, 10:39:26 AM
But he's not open, so the defense won. Either run for a couple or throw it away. It's a boneheaded decision, poor playcall or not.
It's a shitty decision, but it's third down and you're already losing by 21 in the first half. The second he bails from the pocket there are no good decisions to make - assuming the other WRs are covered - there is zero conceivable way to get a desperately needed first down. The fact that he just throws it up for grabs is bad, but situation there sucks.
Darnold needs to play better, but ultimately I think he'd be winning and playing well with a different coach/organization.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 10:58:40 AM
It's a shitty decision, but it's third down and you're already losing by 21 in the first half. The second he bails from the pocket there are no good decisions to make - assuming the other WRs are covered - there is zero conceivable way to get a desperately needed first down. The fact that he just throws it up for grabs is bad, but situation there sucks.
Darnold can't play hero ball. Given down, distance, and circumstance, he still needs to eat it. He can't do that all the time and expect to not form bad habits with ball security.
Those kind of plays can easily turn into a complete field position flip or even worse, a pick six.
We were surprisingly in that game until late in the fourth quarter. Make better decisions, no matter what.
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Darnold needs to play better, but ultimately I think he'd be winning and playing well with a different coach/organization.
I think had we made a coaching change, we'd still be bad this season but our optimism would definitely exist. It's completely out the window now.
The turnovers are something he's never been able to correct. Not sure if he change of scenery really fixes that. He just has to balance out the bad with some good, which didn't happen yesterday at all.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 11:00:39 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 11:01:12 AM
Not sure Darnold had a single play yesterday we can point to and be like, "Wow, that's my QB."
That throw to Le'Veon Bell was special. That was it though.
That's been his entire career so far though. Some flashes of brilliance with a lot of stupid moment peppered in.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 11:07:23 AM
His footwork is so thrown off by sensed pressure, whether it's real or not.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 11:11:17 AM
The "seeing ghosts" clip was embarrassing last year, but it's really what's happening to him.I haven't watched a replay yet, but it seemed to be like he was bailing from the pocket pretty early. People in the game thread were blaming the OL, but there were a few times where he would just leave the pocket as soon as he would perceive pressure.
His footwork is so thrown off by sensed pressure, whether it's real or not.
Really starting to worry we screwed this kid up. And if that's the case, I'm not sure if it will be fixed with better weapons and an improving OL.
That said, it's just one week against a really tough defense after no preseason. Still a long time to go this year, but this was an alarming performance.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 11:16:57 AM
I haven't watched a replay yet, but it seemed to be like he was bailing from the pocket pretty early. People in the game thread were blaming the OL, but there were a few times where he would just leave the pocket as soon as he would perceive pressure.
Really starting to worry we screwed this kid up. And if that's the case, I'm not sure if it will be fixed with better weapons and an improving OL.
That said, it's just one week against a really tough defense after no preseason. Still a long time to go this year, but this was an alarming performance.
We have to remember (I had to remind myself too) that Buffalo is actually really good, so maybe this was a bit of a fluke...but it's not getting any easier in Week 2.
Robert Saleh is going to come after Sam Darnold after watching this Week 1 tape. New England put together a blueprint on how to rattle him and Buffalo showed a lot of that with the smoke zero blitz looks. That really, really screws with Darnold's reads.
The tackles played great. Our offensive line is not going to be perfect but they got the job done on several of his drop backs. He has all this hype of being able to create on the move and make unnatural throws. Where was that yesterday? He struggled with interior pressure. He doesn't have a feel for sliding to either side in the pocket. Robby Sabo and Connor Hughes are tweeting some examples of that this morning.
I'm sure our wideouts struggled to separate and that McDermott outcoached Gase, but he missed on several open throws.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 11:17:17 AM
Even when GVR lost the gap he was able to recover on a couple of those plays and at least move the defender away from Sam. Darnold looks afraid out there. We've seen this before. If we are going to bring in another QB after this season the OLine needs ro be shored up and there need to be upgrades at WR. Hopefully Mims gets healthy and progresses.
It's difficult to make a case for keeping Gase after this season. He's jut been getting owned left and right.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 11:19:05 AM
We'll see if he calms down but I'm not particularly excited to watch the rest of the games.
Even when GVR lost the gap he was able to recover on a couple of those plays and at least move the defender away from Sam. Darnold looks afraid out there. We've seen this before. If we are going to bring in another QB after this season the OLine needs ro be shored up and there need to be upgrades at WR. Hopefully Mims gets healthy and progresses.
I kept hoping that Darnold would shake it off after taking his first hit. Didn't happen.
GVR was more of a problem as a run blocker than pass blocker. I really thought our OL held up well against a strong Buffalo DL. Darnold was bailing or firing early in a lot of situations.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
I kept hoping that Darnold would shake it off after taking his first hit. Didn't happen.
GVR was more of a problem as a run blocker than pass blocker. I really thought our OL held up well against a strong Buffalo DL. Darnold was bailing or firing early in a lot of situations.
We saw this problem with Sanchez. He's scared.
He had a few of these moments last season too but also had better games. I don't think he's developing the way we need him to but I also don't think Gase's play calling or play design are helping Darnold, either.
This is not a good situation for the team to be in and I expect at least one of either Gase and Darnold to be gone next season.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 11:38:48 AM
We saw this problem with Sanchez. He's scared.Darnold isn't going anywhere unless we get the #1 pick, and even then, only maybe will we get rid of Darnold.
He had a few of these moments last season too but also had better games. I don't think he's developing the way we need him to but I also don't think Gase's play calling or play design are helping Darnold, either.
This is not a good situation for the team to be in and I expect at least one of either Gase and Darnold to be gone next season.
Gase will absolutely be gone if things don't improve. Gase was brought in to develop Darnold, and if that's not happening, he's failed. It's possible Darnold was never going to develop and is yet another highly drafted QB bust, but that's impossible to know.
I assume Darnold was a big reason why Douglas thought this job was appealing in the first place, so I doubt he will want to dump him quickly unless Sam's play forces his hand. It's much easier to replace a coach, especially when the fans and media have long since turned on him.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 11:50:13 AM
Bring in a vet to push him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 11:51:07 AM
Darnold isn't going anywhere unless we get the #1 pick, and even then, only maybe will we get rid of Darnold.
Gase will absolutely be gone if things don't improve. Gase was brought in to develop Darnold, and if that's not happening, he's failed. It's possible Darnold was never going to develop and is yet another highly drafted QB bust, but that's impossible to know.
I assume Darnold was a big reason why Douglas thought this job was appealing in the first place, so I doubt he will want to dump him quickly unless Sam's play forces his hand. It's much easier to replace a coach, especially when the fans and media have long since turned on him.
Douglas didn’t draft him and he’s only on a rookie contract. If we bring in another coach than I can see them making the case for bringing in their own guy.
I don’t see Douglas cutting or trading Darnold as being the most likely case for removing him, but bringing in a new guy and having Darnold lose his starting job could be possibility.
Gase being fired ad having Darnold on the roster for 2021 is far and away the most likely scenario, bur I don’t think having him as the starter is a lock if he keeps making throws like the one across his body into triple coverage.
At this point I’m mildly (morbidly?) curious to see Loggins with play-calling duties.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 11:53:35 AM
If we end up with a top five pick, I think Chase is the way to go just to give Darnold one more crack at it, but we'll likely see a Trubisky/Foles type of situation.
Bring in a vet to push him.
If we draft a QB and don’t get Chase or Sewell, we’re starting down the same slippery slope again.
Get the QB some help.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 12:06:10 PM
If we draft a QB and don’t get Chase or Sewell, we’re starting down the same slippery slope again.
Get the QB some help.
This. Every. freaking. Time.
Every regime since Parcells has been half-assing Building an offense. Put actual weapons around the QB and a line in front so we can give the current one a chance and not completely freak over the next one if we cannot continue with Darnold.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 12:06:48 PM
If we draft a QB and don’t get Chase or Sewell, we’re starting down the same slippery slope again.
Get the QB some help.
Unless Becton turns into an absolute disaster, I think we can opt for WR or EDGE over Penei Sewell.
JaMarr Chase should be our top focus in the draft right now, but there's also Jaylen Waddle, Rondale Moore, and Rashod Bateman.
I'd be okay taking Greg Rousseau over Penei Sewell. I also wouldn't be upset at all if we drafted Sewell over any player aside from Chase.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 12:12:19 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 12:14:53 PM
Even if everything goes wrong for Darnold, we get the #1 pick, and we get Trevor Lawrence, we still have a full compliment of draft picks after that.
If we end up with a top-5 pick, we'll probably do the veteran move like Trubisky/Foles/Jameis/Dalton to push Darnold, draft additional offensive help, and give Darnold one last chance to prove he's the guy under his rookie contract.
If we end up with the No. 1 pick, you run to the podium and take Trevor Lawrence.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 12:17:33 PM
You guys do realize we have two 1st-round picks each of the next two seasons, right?
We'll have three other firsts, multiple thirds, and tons of cap space.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 12:19:20 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 12:20:17 PM
Without reading all this, are we already discussing blowing everything up and drafting another QB #1 overall after one game?
When was the last time we drafted a QB #1 overall?
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 12:29:49 PM
When was the last time we drafted a QB #1 overall?
We've never actually done it but we have been discussing it since I've been here. Only #1 overall in our history was Keyshawn, we had it the next year too but Parcells traded it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 12:30:11 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
Ideal scenario, we start 0-6...
I love Jet fans.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
I love Jet fans.
You were able to find moral victories in the Jets 2019 season. I love Jet fans.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 12:33:43 PM
-WR: our only solid player is our slot WR and he just had an awful game.
-RG/LG: I expect GVR and Lewis to improve as the line gels but neither are a long term answer. Thuney only signed his franchise tag so I’m guessing Douglas will target him again next FA season unless he gets the franchise tag from the Pats for another year. It’d be nice if Clark only winds up on short term IR and develops in practice but that’s as yet to be seen.
-CB: Bless might prove to be serviceable but we do not have a Nr1 CB on the roster
-Edge: Jenkins isn’t going to be the answer so we’re probably looking at two here
-ILB: Mosely would be coming off a two year gap, we still don’t know what we have with Williamson, Hewitt isn’t a long term answer, and Cashman should be cut solely based on his injury history.
We have two firsts in the 2021 draft and a shitload of cap space. At some point we have to stop hoarding money and actually spend on FAs.
As usual, I’d be wary of drafting a rookie and starting him right away. I’m more in favor of signing a vet who can play and push Darnold in TC, something we probably should have done this season instead of wasting a roster spot on Flacco and his neck aids.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 12:35:12 PM
WR: our only solid player is our slot WR and he just had an awful game
Did he? He had a bad drop, but he also made the only explosive play of the game for us. Without that long touchdown, look at Darnold's numbers...
Post by: mj2sexay on September 14, 2020, 12:36:15 PM
I'm not ready to give up on Sam because he looked like excrement without the benefit of the preseason against a top 5 defense in the NFL.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 12:38:21 PM
Did he? He had a bad drop, but he also made the only explosive play of the game for us. Without that long touchdown, look at Darnold's numbers...
He had a great catch and run on the screen, but his first half was terrible. At best he was inconsistent. Granted, I stopped watching shortly after half time so his second half might have been a lot better.
Still, we really only have the one play for him.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 12:41:36 PM
He had a great catch and run on the screen, but his first half was terrible. At best he was inconsistent. Granted, I stopped watching shortly after half time so his second half might have been a lot better.
Still, we really only have the one play for him.
I know he had an awful drop, but there really isn't much else he can do with rushed screens and being missed completely when he's open.
He didn't score on a screen. It was an arrow route that was set up and blocked perfectly. Herndon made an excellent block to spring him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 12:43:18 PM
I know he had an awful drop, but there really isn't much he can do with rushed screens and being missed completely when he's open.
It was a bad game all around. My point was more that the WR corps is in a bad place and thin on talent.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 12:43:52 PM
At some point we have to stop hoarding money and actually spend on FAs.In 2019, we signed Le'Veon Bell and C.J. Mosley to huge contracts. Yet, I'm replying to a post that has ILB as one of our big needs (and RB should be on this list as well).
In 2018, we signed Trumaine Johnson, Morris Claiborne, Spencer Long, Avery Williamson and Isaiah Crowell. Williamson is the only one who is still here, and he's a rotational player at this point. Claiborne was fine for one year. The others were not.
In 2017, we signed Kelvin Beachum, Josh McCown and Morris Claiborne. All three actually were decent, but that team was basically tanking.
In 2016, we signed Steve McLendon, Matt Forte and Jarvis Jenkins. McLendon I think is the longest-tenured Jet now, while the other two were different degrees of forgettable.
In 2015, we signed Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine, James Carpenter and Marcus Gilchrist. Basically all of them had one good year and then fell apart for us, with Skrine and Carpenter hanging on as mediocre players.
Look, we need to spend money to improve our team because we draft like excrement. But outside of 2015 where we got one last good year out of a number of FA veterans, how much has dipping into the FA market really helped us? We need to keep trying, but it's not like that's a magic elixir.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 12:47:25 PM
In 2019, we signed Le'Veon Bell and C.J. Mosley to huge contracts. Yet, I'm replying to a post that has ILB as one of our big needs (and RB should be on this list as well).
In 2018, we signed Trumaine Johnson, Morris Claiborne, Spencer Long, Avery Williamson and Isaiah Crowell. Williamson is the only one who is still here, and he's a rotational player at this point. Claiborne was fine for one year. The others were not.
In 2017, we signed Kelvin Beachum, Josh McCown and Morris Claiborne. All three actually were decent, but that team was basically tanking.
In 2016, we signed Steve McLendon, Matt Forte and Jarvis Jenkins. McLendon I think is the longest-tenured Jet now, while the other two were different degrees of forgettable.
In 2015, we signed Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine, James Carpenter and Marcus Gilchrist. Basically all of them had one good year and then fell apart for us, with Skrine and Carpenter hanging on as mediocre players.
Look, we need to spend money to improve our team because we draft like excrement. But outside of 2015 where we got one last good year out of a number of FA veterans, how much has dipping into the FA market really helped us? We need to keep trying, but it's not like that's a magic elixir.
Yeah, we're spending money but those Macc signings were all terrible. By 2017 when it was time to truly tank I can get cutting salary but the rest of it was just bad signings.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 14, 2020, 12:48:25 PM
In 2019, we signed Le'Veon Bell and C.J. Mosley to huge contracts. Yet, I'm replying to a post that has ILB as one of our big needs (and RB should be on this list as well).
In 2018, we signed Trumaine Johnson, Morris Claiborne, Spencer Long, Avery Williamson and Isaiah Crowell. Williamson is the only one who is still here, and he's a rotational player at this point. Claiborne was fine for one year. The others were not.
In 2017, we signed Kelvin Beachum, Josh McCown and Morris Claiborne. All three actually were decent, but that team was basically tanking.
In 2016, we signed Steve McLendon, Matt Forte and Jarvis Jenkins. McLendon I think is the longest-tenured Jet now, while the other two were different degrees of forgettable.
In 2015, we signed Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine, James Carpenter and Marcus Gilchrist. Basically all of them had one good year and then fell apart for us, with Skrine and Carpenter hanging on as mediocre players.
Look, we need to spend money to improve our team because we draft like excrement. But outside of 2015 where we got one last good year out of a number of FA veterans, how much has dipping into the FA market really helped us? We need to keep trying, but it's not like that's a magic elixir.
While the perennial winning organizations build through the draft and I understand your point-lets not forget who was in charge of making those decisions at the time.
Again, and I can't emphasize this enough-no matter what Gase does from here on out, at the very least he forced the organizations hand in getting rid of Mac.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 12:52:47 PM
In 2019, we signed Le'Veon Bell and C.J. Mosley to huge contracts. Yet, I'm replying to a post that has ILB as one of our big needs (and RB should be on this list as well).
In 2018, we signed Trumaine Johnson, Morris Claiborne, Spencer Long, Avery Williamson and Isaiah Crowell. Williamson is the only one who is still here, and he's a rotational player at this point. Claiborne was fine for one year. The others were not.
In 2017, we signed Kelvin Beachum, Josh McCown and Morris Claiborne. All three actually were decent, but that team was basically tanking.
In 2016, we signed Steve McLendon, Matt Forte and Jarvis Jenkins. McLendon I think is the longest-tenured Jet now, while the other two were different degrees of forgettable.
In 2015, we signed Darrelle Revis, Antonio Cromartie, Buster Skrine, James Carpenter and Marcus Gilchrist. Basically all of them had one good year and then fell apart for us, with Skrine and Carpenter hanging on as mediocre players.
Look, we need to spend money to improve our team because we draft like excrement. But outside of 2015 where we got one last good year out of a number of FA veterans, how much has dipping into the FA market really helped us? We need to keep trying, but it's not like that's a magic elixir.
Thank you for using transactions from McCagnan to disprove my comments on Douglas’ 2020 strategy.
I’m fine with him not spending money when the FAs aren’t there but it has to come into play at some point. Was this clear enough or do you want to talk about Tanny’s contract loading?
Post by: mj2sexay on September 14, 2020, 12:54:45 PM
Thank you for using transactions from Idzik and McCagnan to disprove my comments on Douglas’ 2020 strategy.
I mean, we did spend. It wasn't allocated properly.
FWIW, I think we're going to see a much more measured approach from Douglas then we did from Mac circa 15 or 19 when he had money to burn and burned it.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 12:56:46 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:00:27 PM
Getting rid of McCagnan’s bloated contracts is 100% part of rebuilding, but we’re going to have to bring in some quality FAs at some point down the road. Thuney is one I’d like to see next season and was pissed off that it got derailed for this one.
Hopefully Judon shakes loose from Baltimore. He'd be a premium player worth throwing money at.
Here’s another.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 01:00:48 PM
Was this clear enough or do you want to talk about Tanny’s contract loading?
I'm down, how much time you got?
#KeepRex
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
Statistically, he got a little better from 2018 to 2019, but decision wise, he's still doing a lot of head scratching things.
He does not process pressure. He rushes when he seems pre-snap blitz looks and lets it pre-determine his decision making. Gase isn't a good enough play caller to get him out of those situations. It's a double-edged sword.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:44:18 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 01:47:22 PM
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The fact that Sam Darnold always looks better in the two-minute drill leads me to believe he's an "overthinker"---not a good thing to be in sports (has nothing to do with smarts).
Does he overthink? Does he get in his own head? These are the things that need to be asked. #Jets
Sabo (https://twitter.com/robbysabo/status/1305571132754538501?s=21)
Would using more hurry up play to that?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 02:03:48 PM
Would using more hurry up play to that?
When up-tempo goes wrong, it can go very wrong.
It leads to more turnovers and less time of possession, which we weren't really doing a good job with anyway.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 14, 2020, 02:06:36 PM
You want to tax an already shitty defense, that’s the easiest way to do it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 02:13:14 PM
This team isn’t anywhere near good enough to go to more of a hurry up.
You want to tax an already shitty defense, that’s the easiest way to do it.
Gotta make sure we milk the clock on those three and outs
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 02:21:18 PM
This team isn’t anywhere near good enough to go to more of a hurry up.
You want to tax an already shitty defense, that’s the easiest way to do it.
Gotta make sure we milk the clock on those three and outs
Yea I honestly don't see much of a drop off here.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on September 14, 2020, 03:02:38 PM
I was mad that he took the sack, but wasn't aware it was even worse than that. He hits that and it might've been a different game.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 03:11:49 PM
https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1305595644699201536?s=21
I was mad that he took the sack, but wasn't aware it was even worse than that. He hits that and it might've been a different game.
He's not seeing the field. I bet he didn't even see the receiver come free. He was probably locked on Perriman, who was double covered.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 03:14:09 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 03:15:02 PM
Now is this coaching? Or is this Sam Darnold just not developing? Gase definitely deserves to lose his job if Darnold doesn't improve, but Darnold needs to make that play.
I'm thinking his eyes are on the defender or he's staring back into the middle of the field again. Either way, he's wrong.
Even if he throws it and misses, he's still making the right decision.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 03:34:16 PM
Now is this coaching? Or is this Sam Darnold just not developing?
These are the same question.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 03:43:06 PM
These are the same question.
Hard disagree.
You can coach the hell out of someone in practice and they can do everything right. Sometimes it just doesn't happen when the bullets start flying.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2020, 03:43:15 PM
These are the same question.
Once the ball is snapped the QB has to make reads, decisions and throws, the coach can't do that for him. Obviously you can debate play calls, schemes, personnel, but there's usually a couple options and the QB has to figure that out when the play happens. That's why a guy like Pennington was so effective without a great arm or great mobility.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 03:44:54 PM
Hard disagree.
You can coach the hell out of someone in practice and they can do everything right. Sometimes it just doesn't happen when the bullets start flying.
The primary objective of hiring Gase was to develop Sam. If he is not developing it's on the guy who was hired to do it, so it's a coaching problem.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 03:48:30 PM
The primary objective of hiring Gase was to develop Sam.
According to who?
If we hired a head coach to coach and develop one player then that's the problem.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
According to who?
If we hired a head coach to coach and develop one player then that's the problem.
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The key for Johnson is Gase's work with quarterbacks, from Peyton Manning, to Jay Cutler, to Ryan Tannehill. This is the first time Gase will work with a young potential phenom like Sam Darnold this early in his career. The QB tutoring is one reason Johnson said he favored Gase over the likes of Mike McCarthy or Baylor coach Matt Rhule.
"To me, to Mike (Maccagnan), seeing how Adam has gotten the best out of quarterbacks in different stages of their careers is vitally important, no question," Johnson said in explaining why he preferred Gase.
https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-ceo-defends-adam-gase-hire-responds-to-critics-0ap3000001010825
This was a fun quote as well:
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“At the onset of the interview process, I wanted to hire a head coach who was the right person and the right fit for our organization,” Johnson said in a statement posted on the team's website. “We talked to a number of excellent candidates and it became clear to me that Adam was the person who will help us establish a winning program and a winning culture.”
https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/jets/2019/01/11/jets-owner-christopher-johnson-explains-why-he-hired-adam-gase/2551955002/
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 03:54:03 PM
Once again: this is Maccagnan's fault
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 03:54:09 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 03:55:40 PM
One reason, not the only reason.
Once again: this is Maccagnan's fault
I mean, did you think it was unlikely that Maccagnan and CJ would do something that stupid?
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2020, 04:01:27 PM
One reason, not the only reason.
Once again: this is Maccagnan's fault
I am willing to concede Maccagnan's role in this catastrophe of a decision. I was hugely annoyed at the time about them allowing the decision to be influenced by Sam himself, and nothing has changed that opinion. I wouldn't allow a junior salesperson, no matter how talented I might think him, to have a say in who I hired as his sales manager, not least because he doesn't have a freaking clue what he actually needs.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 14, 2020, 04:03:03 PM
I was hugely annoyed at the time about them allowing the decision to be influenced by Sam himself, and nothing has changed that opinion.
This was baffling.
Sam wouldn't say anything bad about anyone.
It's almost like Mike Maccagnan was afraid to say no, so he just asked Chris Johnson to find out what Sam thought.
Post by: insanity on September 14, 2020, 04:20:21 PM
https://twitter.com/baldynfl/status/1305595644699201536?s=21
I was mad that he took the sack, but wasn't aware it was even worse than that. He hits that and it might've been a different game.
It looks like Sam cooked it to throw it and then crowder broke back to the ball and in the process got covered
Giving Sam too many excuses here though
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 14, 2020, 04:50:20 PM
The primary objective of hiring Gase was to develop Sam. If he is not developing it's on the guy who was hired to do it, so it's a coaching problem.I agree that the primary objective of hiring Gase was to develop Sam. That doesn't mean Sam necessarily CAN be developed properly. Not every quarterback develops like they should. Sometimes they fall into bad habits and can't break them. Just because Sam was a high draft pick doesn't mean Sam is destined to be a star with proper coaching. There are tons of examples of high draft picks who failed for a number of reasons.
Gase should get the ax if Sam doesn't develop the way we want. But sometimes, development doesn't work the way it's supposed to. Gase can tell Sam all the right things, and if Sam doesn't execute, is that Gase's fault? I would argue a little bit, but it's more on Sam. We aren't behind the scenes, so we don't know what all the coaching Gase does is. All we can see are the results on the field, which have not been good.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2020, 09:53:32 AM
Lets hope that Sam shakes off the rust and steps up.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2020, 09:56:23 AM
Costello compared Darnold to Blake Bortles. Very fair as of right now.
Lets hope that Sam shakes off the rust and steps up.
Sam Bottles
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 15, 2020, 10:23:28 AM
Costello compared Darnold to Blake Bortles. Very fair as of right now.
Lets hope that Sam shakes off the rust and steps up.
Well, at least Sam is trying. Bortles never seemed to be serious about his career as a pro.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2020, 11:06:07 AM
Costello compared Darnold to Blake Bortles. Very fair as of right now.
Lets hope that Sam shakes off the rust and steps up.
Costello wrote that article in June
Post by: mj2sexay on September 15, 2020, 11:11:14 AM
Costello compared Darnold to Blake Bortles. Very fair as of right now.
Lets hope that Sam shakes off the rust and steps up.
I actually like Costello and read the article....but again this is game 1, year 3 in an atypical season.
No one ever mentions Darnolds actual age either. I figured we'd be in for a longer evaluation period just by virtue of taking a kid when he's 20.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2020, 11:17:26 AM
Costello wrote that article in June
He was correct in June too
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2020, 11:28:05 AM
He was correct in June too
Sad to see you guys give up before the games are played
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2020, 11:38:02 AM
Sad to see you guys give up before the games are played
I didn't give up. It's just a fair comparison as of right now.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 15, 2020, 12:16:00 PM
I actually like Costello and read the article....but again this is game 1, year 3 in an atypical season.
No one ever mentions Darnolds actual age either. I figured we'd be in for a longer evaluation period just by virtue of taking a kid when he's 20.
If Sam picks is up, we will be far better off IMO. But if we have managed to ruin him, then holding on just to hold on doesn’t make any sense. That said if we aren’t picking #1 then we will likely ride with Sam and get him a new staff to try and improve his mechanics and game.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 15, 2020, 01:19:26 PM
Sad to see you guys give up before the games are played
You're saying this as if we don't have two other seasons to compare it to.
He's making the same mistakes as the last two seasons, it's an apt comparison.
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2020, 01:33:33 PM
No one ever mentions Darnolds actual age either. I figured we'd be in for a longer evaluation period just by virtue of taking a kid when he's 20.
I think that as time goes on that point becomes less relevant; by his third year in the league it should matter less whether he's 22 or 24.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2020, 02:38:34 PM
You're saying this as if we don't have two other seasons to compare it to.
He's making the same mistakes as the last two seasons, it's an apt comparison.
He showed improvement in the last month of his rookie season and the last half of his sophomore season.
I’m not saying his mistakes Sunday were acceptable, but he’s shown the ability to improve.
His INT % went down and his Comp % went up from year 1 to year 2.
2019: 6 TDs to 1 INT over the final 4 games
2020: 12 TDs to 4 INTs over final 7 games
Yesterday was one of his worst games as a Jet. Last year in NE is the only one that probably has it beat. He had another rough game against Jacksonville the next week, but then played pretty well for the rest of the year. Hopefully we see a better offense all around in the coming weeks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 15, 2020, 02:59:33 PM
Not trying to compare the two because Darnold is a much better prospect, but if we cherrypicked Geno Smith's best games at the end of each season, we could make him look competent as well.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 15, 2020, 05:02:36 PM
Post by: Badger on September 15, 2020, 05:12:27 PM
Don't know about the rest of you, but I, for one, look forward to having this same exact conversation about Trevor Lawrence in September 2024
We both know it'll probably be one of least annoying conversations happening in Sept 2024.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 15, 2020, 05:57:44 PM
Don't know about the rest of you, but I, for one, look forward to having this same exact conversation about Trevor Lawrence in September 2024If we have Lawrence with the #1 pick, we still have an additional 1st rounder to work with this year and 2 next year. The Adams trade gave us draft ammunition to rebuild the roster. We should be able to rebuild the offense with those picks whether it is Sam Darnold, Trevor Lawrence or Jameis Winston.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2020, 05:58:56 PM
That would be a disaster
Post by: reuben on September 15, 2020, 06:48:50 PM
Don't know about the rest of you, but I, for one, look forward to having this same exact conversation about Trevor Lawrence in September 2024
We're going to have the number one pick locked up going into week 17 and then on New Year's Eve at 11:59PM, Trevor Lawrence will announce he's returning for his senior season.
/2020
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2020, 06:53:51 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 15, 2020, 06:58:57 PM
Trev already said he's graduating in December and going pro.
In which case I’m week 17 we will somehow win a tie breaker to push us to #2
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2020, 07:43:25 PM
Trev already said he's graduating in December and going pro.
That was before he thought there was a chance he was going to the Jets.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 15, 2020, 08:59:46 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2020, 09:16:29 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 15, 2020, 09:38:18 PM
Why do you keep bringing up Jameis?I don't recall ever bringing up Jameis before? I just threw out a name of a quarterback that would be available. I didn't look at what quarterbacks are available.
That would be a disaster
But if Darnold doesn't step up, Winston is the type of guy that I would want to bring in as a backup. Darnold could still go into 2021 as the starter, but if he falters, Winston can play. And if Winston falters as expected, then we draft someone new in 2022.
I hope Darnold plays well, and we are still convinced he's the answer after the season. But if he's not, we need to bring someone else in next year to push him, assuming Morgan/White aren't way better than expected. That could be Winston, Foles, Jacoby Brissett, Andy Dalton or Tyrod Taylor. I don't want it to be Flacco.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2020, 09:43:15 PM
I don't recall ever bringing up Jameis before?
You talked about bringing him to compete with Sam next season in this very thread.
Stop it. He is awful.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 15, 2020, 09:59:41 PM
You talked about bringing him to compete with Sam next season in this very thread.You must have me confused with somebody else because that was the first post I had in 2 years mentioning Jameis.
Stop it. He is awful.
There is no such thing as a quarterback we can sign as a backup that doesn't have issues. You're either getting a failed starter or someone who never got a chance.
And quite frankly, Jameis has far more upside than Dalton or Tyrod or Foles or most of the guys we can potentially get. I would be willing to swing for the fences with Jameis. Brissett is the other option on paper that sounds good. I'm sure there are guys I'm missing that we could get.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 15, 2020, 10:13:48 PM
Neck AIDS never should have been signed. Dude is done.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2020, 10:39:02 PM
You must have me confused with somebody else because that was the first post I had in 2 years mentioning Jameis.
Oh really?
If we end up with a top-5 pick, we'll probably do the veteran move like Trubisky/Foles/Jameis/Dalton to push Darnold, draft additional offensive help, and give Darnold one last chance to prove he's the guy under his rookie contract.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 15, 2020, 10:44:27 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2020, 10:46:59 PM
Literally anyone else. This includes Tim Tebow.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 15, 2020, 10:50:37 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2020, 10:53:00 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 15, 2020, 10:59:26 PM
Oh really?I stand corrected. I searched "Jameis" and "Winston" and nothing came up. Probably because of the slashes.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2020, 11:21:11 PM
Imagine rooting for Ben Rothlisberger. The privilege.
He brings Jesus with him.
Our wideouts would be out there making Angels in the Outfield-Essie catches.
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2020, 11:54:49 PM
Geno Smith is the only QB in NFL history that I wouldn’t take over Jameis Winston.
Literally anyone else. This includes Tim Tebow.
Someone's been on the sauce tonight. I don't have any love for Winston, but I can name you five QBs who have started for the Jets in the last 20 years I'd take Jameis over, never mind the other 31 teams.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 06:34:56 AM
Someone's been on the sauce tonight. I don't have any love for Winston, but I can name you five QBs who have started for the Jets in the last 20 years I'd take Jameis over, never mind the other 31 teams.
Did they rape someone and get away with it?
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 09:20:58 AM
Did they rape someone and get away with it?
Ah OK. I was only thinking in football terms.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 16, 2020, 09:22:51 AM
Ah OK. I was only thinking in football terms.
For clarification: Geno Smith raped the Jets and got away with it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2020, 09:02:32 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2020, 10:05:19 AM
https://twitter.com/jreidnfl/status/1306590794439184384?s=21
Duff really fucked this team.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 19, 2020, 08:40:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3909&v=lX61jaB1TkU&feature=emb_title
Super long breakdown, but if you get to about the 1 hour mark, you can start to see a clearer picture with what's going on with Sam.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 19, 2020, 08:44:32 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 19, 2020, 01:45:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAlMBO_Gk8Good quick breakdown of what alarmed me. And there were other plays left out that easily could have made it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 19, 2020, 05:23:06 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 19, 2020, 06:44:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAlMBO_Gk8
Glad to see the "brilliant offensive mind" having a positive impact on our QB
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 03:03:18 PM
Took nearly 2 full games, but we finally have our "This is why we still believe in Sam" moment.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 20, 2020, 03:04:39 PM
Post by: reuben on September 20, 2020, 03:05:06 PM
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1307770996917784581
Took nearly 2 full games, but we finally have our "This is why we still believe in Sam" moment.
Do we?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 03:07:10 PM
Do we?I mean, it brought his yards per attempt above 5.0...
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 03:14:25 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 03:16:29 PM
I still believe in Sam's potential. But the Johnsons' better remove their heads out of their asses before it's too late.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 03:19:57 PM
Best case scenario: Darnold is the answer, we can load up on help for him in the draft, and we take a big step forward in the next two seasons. I'm hopeful that this is the most likely scenario.
Bad scenario: Darnold falters and we have to burn another top-5 pick on a QB.
Worst case scenario: we think Darnold is the answer, pass up on an elite QB like we did Mahomes and Watson, and we're stuck in limbo at QB again
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 03:21:36 PM
We might be the favorites for the #1 pick right now. We're definitely tracking towards a top-5 pick. So like it or not, Darnold will have to show enough this year where we don't replace him in the draft because we will likely be drafting high enough to take a quality prospect, whether that's Lawrence or someone else.
Best case scenario: Darnold is the answer, we can load up on help for him in the draft, and we take a big step forward in the next two seasons. I'm hopeful that this is the most likely scenario.
Bad scenario: Darnold falters and we have to burn another top-5 pick on a QB.
Worst case scenario: we think Darnold is the answer, pass up on an elite QB like we did Mahomes and Watson, and we're stuck in limbo at QB again
None of your post matters if this regime is retained
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 03:25:24 PM
None of your post matters if this regime is retainedOkay, does anyone actually think that's going to happen? Especially if we get a top 5 pick in my scenario? No. We know you hate Gase. Nobody likes Gase.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 03:26:50 PM
Okay, does anyone actually think that's going to happen?
Do I think the Johnson family is going to make the correct call on an obvious, must-do, no brainer decision?
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 20, 2020, 03:27:30 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 20, 2020, 03:27:42 PM
If we take a QB in the top five in 2021, we should still let Darnold start the season and protect our future starter until we know what the offense looks like.
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
Okay, does anyone actually think that's going to happen? Especially if we get a top 5 pick in my scenario? No. We know you hate Gase. Nobody likes Gase.
No...i hated Gase when you were still licking his boots. i want him gone at all costs.
I also don't trust this ownership to make sound decisions. So yeah, the threat of Gase hanging around past 2020 will always be there.
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 03:29:18 PM
Do I think the Johnson family is going to make the correct call on an obvious, must-do, no brainer decision?
this guy gets it
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 03:30:48 PM
No...i hated Gase when you were still licking his boots. i want him gone at all costs.It's not a contest to see who the first people to jump off the HC bandwagon is. Otherwise, you would win every time.
I also don't trust this ownership to make sound decisions. So yeah, the threat of Gase hanging around past 2020 will always be there.
That is fair not to trust the Johnsons, but if we get a top-5 pick and Gase is back, I'll leave the board.
Post by: MBGreen on September 20, 2020, 03:36:42 PM
It's not a contest to see who the first people to jump off the HC bandwagon is. Otherwise, you would win every time.
That is fair not to trust the Johnsons, but if we get a top-5 pick and Gase is back, I'll leave the board.
lol contest...GTFOH. Don't hate me for being more perceptive than you.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 05:56:49 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 20, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
Need a new offensive scheme and someone completely different coaching Sam ASAP
THIS
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 20, 2020, 06:57:48 PM
Do I think the Johnson family is going to make the correct call on an obvious, must-do, no brainer decision?
It's remarkable that the Johnson's are so freaking clueless. It's like having the CEO of J&J run the company into the ground and still keeping him because he has a "great business mind". Joke
The Johnsons are frauds like Gase. Blind leading the blind
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2020, 07:17:47 PM
lol contest...GTFOH. Don't hate me for being more perceptive than you.Quickly assuming everyone we hire will be an eventual failure, in a league where the vast majority of outcomes is failure, is not really an impressive prediction.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 20, 2020, 07:27:05 PM
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QB Sam Darnold had a curt response when asked if he had the ability to run a sneak on the failed fourth-and-1 play. "No, we just stick (with the called play)," he said. A QB should have the freedom to call his own number. The... https://es.pn/32NJ1sw
This absolutely disgusted me to watch during the postgame and I had to look around to see who reported on it.
Sam Darnold wasn't allowed to change the play after seeing the defense.
Fire. Gase.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 20, 2020, 07:53:04 PM
This absolutely disgusted me to watch during the postgame and I had to look around to see who reported on it.I wonder if that was meant to take things off his plate after some bad checks last week.
Sam Darnold wasn't allowed to change the play after seeing the defense.
Fire. Gase.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 07:59:00 PM
I wonder if that was meant to take things off his plate after some bad checks last week.
He had plenty of checks today from my recollection.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 20, 2020, 08:00:58 PM
Horrible call by Gase
Post by: Libero_2 on September 20, 2020, 08:37:20 PM
Better question: why didn’t Gase just call a QB sneak? Way higher success rate and we’re not running the same play that just got stuffed with a far inferior player.
Horrible call by Gase
I'm happy to know Sam recognized it at the line. I was screaming in my house for the sneak when I saw they didn't line up over McGovern.
God I hate feeling like I know more excrement than the coach of my favorite team
Post by: delavan on September 21, 2020, 12:22:35 AM
(https://i.redd.it/ozkyomhttdn51.jpg)
Post by: IATA on September 21, 2020, 12:50:03 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 02:28:24 PM
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On the 4th-and-1 play: Gase says Darnold did not have the freedom to call a QB sneak. He has that freedom on some plays, but not in that particular situation. Gase reiterates he was happy with the play call, jus not execution. Van Roten missed LB to blow up Adams run. #Jets
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 02:32:52 PM
Post by: Laxin on September 21, 2020, 03:01:18 PM
https://twitter.com/sam_crnic/status/1308107487787315201?s=21
I see everyone praising Sam for this play (and it’s a phenomenal play)... but the traits that allow him to make this play are the same traits that resulted in the interception last week that everyone killed him over. Bottom line with him is he’s going to make some throws that scream “rookie mistake” but he’ll also make throws like this. That’s the type of QB he’s always been, and that’s who he’ll always be. I don’t think we should expect him to change in that sense.
His magical chaos will be magical at times, but also head scratching. I think heismanberg said it last week but that roll out where he took a sack instead of throwing it away was way worse in my mind than the pick.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 21, 2020, 03:11:10 PM
I see everyone praising Sam for this play (and it’s a phenomenal play)... but the traits that allow him to make this play are the same traits that resulted in the interception last week that everyone killed him over. Bottom line with him is he’s going to make some throws that scream “rookie mistake” but he’ll also make throws like this. That’s the type of QB he’s always been, and that’s who he’ll always be. I don’t think we should expect him to change in that sense.The sack was worse because there was no excuse for it. That was a pure boneheaded move. The interception was bad for different reasons. He either should have thrown that earlier or not at all. At least it was already 3rd down, so it just served as a short punt.
His magical chaos will be magical at times, but also head scratching. I think heismanberg said it last week but that roll out where he took a sack instead of throwing it away was way worse in my mind than the pick.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 04:38:43 PM
Post by: delavan on September 21, 2020, 06:00:39 PM
His magical chaos will be magical at times, but also head scratching. I think heismanberg said it last week but that roll out where he took a sack instead of throwing it away was way worse in my mind than the pick.
This made me think "what's Sam's capacity to process?". But looking at these Wonderlic scores he's on a par with Josh Rosen the supposed brainiac of that draft class, with Goober-of-Buffalo a cut above them all and Lemar Jackson pulling up the rear - here, last is first and first is last.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767339-report-josh-allen-josh-rosen-top-wonderlic-scores-for-2018-nfl-draft-qbs
Josh Allen (Wyoming): 37
Josh Rosen (UCLA): 29
Sam Darnold (USC): 28
Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma): 25
Lamar Jackson (Louisville): 13
Post by: MBGreen on September 22, 2020, 09:44:16 AM
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Jon Ledyard
@LedyardNFLDraft
· 53m
The Jets are the worst team in the NFL right now, and if they continue on that path and lock in the No. 1 seed, they should and probably will look to trade Sam Darnold.
And the #Steelers should be willing to outbid the competition for him.
I hope Gase and Maccagnan burn in hell.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2020, 10:41:27 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 10:59:41 AM
I hope Gase and Maccagnan burn in hell.
Jon Ledyard is a moron.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 22, 2020, 11:14:46 AM
https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1308429649874165760?s=21
GVR is so bad.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 11:16:51 AM
GVR is so bad.
That was a really bad job by Andrews at center too.
We're going to miss McGovern the next few weeks.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 22, 2020, 11:28:26 AM
That was a really bad job by Andrews at center too.
We're going to miss McGovern the next few weeks.
Yeah, I wasn’t even looking at Andrews. Really bad.
When does Clarke come off the IR? Was he done for the year?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 22, 2020, 11:33:31 AM
Yeah, I wasn’t even looking at Andrews. Really bad.
When does Clarke come off the IR? Was he done for the year?
Clark is on short term IR. He'll be back after Week 3, and hopefully he starts taking some of GVR's reps.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 22, 2020, 11:39:18 AM
Clark is on short term IR. He'll be back after Week 3, and hopefully he starts taking some of GVR's reps.I forgot Clark was hurt, too. Pretty much our entire draft class is injured or not playing besides Becton (and Braden Mann). Gase really went full Tonya Harding in camp.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 22, 2020, 12:10:06 PM
Better question: why didn’t Gase just call a QB sneak? Way higher success rate and we’re not running the same play that just got stuffed with a far inferior player.
Horrible call by Gase
I was driving with the game on the radio and wondering why we didn't call a sneak. Of course I couldn't see the defense but they said it was like a foot to go. Marty Lyons was wondering why they took Gore out, I was wondering why Sam couldn't just lean forward over center unless they had it stacked up. Turning point in the game, I thought.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2020, 10:41:30 PM
https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1308429649874165760?s=21
https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1308454931997884416?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2020, 08:35:01 AM
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In 2019, Sam Darnold's Y/A on play action passes (8.55) was 2.24 higher than his Y/A on non-PA (6.31), the 12th-highest boost among qualified QBs.
Yet, play action was called for Darnold on only 24% of his dropbacks, 20th.
In 2020, it's even lower: 15% PA dropbacks, 2nd-lowest.
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The Jets have picked up 5+ yards on 13 of 23 first down rush attempts. That's 56.5%, 2nd-highest in the NFL.
That is the *definition* of a run game that sets up a strong play action game.
Yet, Darnold has run play action on 11/73 dropbacks, 15.1%, 2nd-lowest.
Nania
Post by: insanity on September 24, 2020, 08:50:31 AM
NaniaSam darnold is actually deathly allergic to play action so gase tries to avoid it at all costs #brilliant
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 08:52:27 AM
Post by: insanity on September 24, 2020, 09:52:41 AM
Not sure I'd be comfortable calling a lot of play action with GVR at guard either.He's looked terrible is this normal for him?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 09:53:19 AM
He's looked terrible is this normal for him?
Probably. Sadly, this is better than Winters.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 24, 2020, 02:30:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
We probably won't end up with the #1 pick but, if we do, I would absolutely trade it for an unprecedented haul over drafting Lawrence to replace Darnold. I'm prepared to die on that hill.
I am 100% in agreement with you.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2020, 02:44:34 PM
We probably won't end up with the #1 pick but, if we do, I would absolutely trade it for an unprecedented haul over drafting Lawrence to replace Darnold. I'm prepared to die on that hill.
This coincides with the argument that this team is more than just a QB away. The roster freaking sucks.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 24, 2020, 02:47:34 PM
I love Sam, but Gase or not, if the Jets draft first, Lawrence is the pick unless someone makes Ditka look conservative or Sam does a lot more than a couple of flashes a game
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 24, 2020, 02:48:30 PM
We probably won't end up with the #1 pick but, if we do, I would absolutely trade it for an unprecedented haul over drafting Lawrence to replace Darnold. I'm prepared to die on that hill.
I agree, I don't think Darnold is our problem, if anything he's part of the solution. That could change over 14 more games but in the snap shot of today I think so.
Also the most likely solution that we're bad enough to fire the coach but not draft #1 overall, that's pretty rare.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
We probably won't end up with the #1 pick but, if we do, I would absolutely trade it for an unprecedented haul over drafting Lawrence to replace Darnold. I'm prepared to die on that hill.
I am 100% in agreement with you.
Count me in on this line of thinking. I'm praying Darnold is salvageable after these clowns are shown the door. I think he will be.
Trade the #1 pick....land Ja'marr Chase and other weapons....profit.
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2020, 03:08:22 PM
Count me in on this line of thinking. I'm praying Darnold is salvageable after these clowns are shown the door. I think he will be.
Trade the #1 pick....land Ja'marr Chase and other weapons....profit.
If we trade the #1 for a haul, draft Chase, a quality edge player and a premier guard along with a bunch of other pieces, pick up a handful of good FAs, get a proper coaching staff, and Darnold shits the bed next year, then in 2022 we're a QB away from being a decent team and have at least two first round picks, one of which will presumably be quite high.
If we ditch Darnold and draft Lawrence, then we still have some picks to improve the roster but we'll be depending upon him to overcome some ongoing problems. Keeping Sam is a safer bet IMO.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 03:24:02 PM
The only way we're getting the #1 overall pick is if Sam Darnold is terrible all season long.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2020, 03:27:35 PM
If we have the #1 pick and don't take Trevor Lawrence, Joe Douglas should be fired.
The only way we're getting the #1 overall pick is if Sam Darnold is terrible all season long.
if Sam Darnold is terrible all season, i lay that at the feet of Loggains/Gase.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 03:31:23 PM
if Sam Darnold is terrible all season, i lay that at the feet of Loggains/Gase.
And all three of them should be gone in 2021.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2020, 03:35:30 PM
And all three of them should be gone in 2021.
I think Darnold is young enough that he deserves another coaching regime that can produce better quality coaching and gameplanning to his skillset
EDIT: I'm not ready to give up on him
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 03:47:14 PM
I think Darnold is young enough that he deserves another coaching regime that can produce better quality coaching and gameplanning to his skillset
EDIT: I'm not ready to give up on him
If he's terrible in 2020 and we have the top pick, we would have to. It would be a terrible football decision to have a new head coach come in to fix broken goods.
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2020, 03:55:57 PM
If he's terrible in 2020 and we have the top pick, we would have to. It would be a terrible football decision to have a new head coach come in to fix broken goods.
I don't believe he's broken at all, I think he's doing his best under a coach who is making no effort at all to help him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 24, 2020, 03:57:01 PM
If you have a franchise quarterback staring you in the face like Lawrence, you take him and run. He's a lot better than Darnold was as a prospect coming out. It's not like we're debating a good but not great prospect like Justin Herbert at that pick. Lawrence is as can't-miss as a prospect as it gets AND we would have the additional picks to get him help.
I would be willing to listen to potential hauls for that pick. But I would want at least three 1st-round picks and a couple other high picks, and even that might not be enough depending on how Darnold plays this year.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2020, 03:57:07 PM
If he's terrible in 2020 and we have the top pick, we would have to. It would be a terrible football decision to have a new head coach come in to fix broken goods.
I don't think he's broken yet. Like JE said, give him proper coaching and better weapons in 2021....i think Sam rises to the occasion.
this is why i wanted Gase fired last year. We all knew he stunk, but Sam's development hung in the balance.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 03:57:13 PM
If we have the #1 pick and don't take Trevor Lawrence, Joe Douglas should be fired.
The only way we're getting the #1 overall pick is if Sam Darnold is terrible all season long.
I would also reiterate that our 'winning window' with Sam on a rookie deal is OVER. Lawrence has every ounce of potential that a HOF QB possesses. If we don't draft that guy, in the hope that Sam isn't broken, and that we can save him and it DOESN'T work out, we will never have another shot at a Lawrence level prospect again. In almost any other year, with almost any other QB prospect, I agree this would be the correct course of action. But it isn't. If a team like Minnesota wants to trade for Sam for a 3rd, then that deal is infinitely preferable to me than trading Lawrence for 3 1's. I also think that Sam would fetch quite a bit more than 'just' a 3rd if it came to it.
No if you want to offer something utterly asinine like 5 1s for Lawrence, then maybe I'd answer the phone, but one of those 1's absolutely needs to be a top 3 pick this year for me to even consider it.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2020, 03:57:40 PM
I don't believe he's broken at all, I think he's doing his best under a coach who is making no effort at all to help him.
bingo
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 03:58:24 PM
I don't think he's broken yet. Like JE said, give him proper coaching and better weapons in 2021....i think Sam rises to the occasion.
That's a gigantic what-if.
And would it cause the Jets to be a less desirable head coaching destination if they were told to keep Sam and not draft Lawrence?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 03:59:10 PM
I would also reiterate that our 'winning window' with Sam on a rookie deal is OVER.
This is also a great point.
We'd have to invest significant money into Darnold fairly soon and I'm not sure he's worth that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 24, 2020, 03:59:47 PM
I don't think he's broken yet. Like JE said, give him proper coaching and better weapons in 2021....i think Sam rises to the occasion.The problem was hiring Gase in the first place. That was a massive hiring decision for this franchise, and we went with Gase, and we kept Bowles for his first year, which was also bad.
this is why i wanted Gase fired last year. We all knew he stunk, but Sam's development hung in the balance.
Darnold in year 1 of a brand new system with a random new coach who may or may not be good would have just given even more excuses for Sam.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 04:00:08 PM
I don't think he's broken yet. Like JE said, give him proper coaching and better weapons in 2021....i think Sam rises to the occasion.
this is why i wanted Gase fired last year. We all knew he stunk, but Sam's development hung in the balance.
Whether you believe in Darnold or not, quarterback is the most important position on the football field.
If you have a franchise quarterback staring you in the face like Lawrence, you take him and run. He's a lot better than Darnold was as a prospect coming out. It's not like we're debating a good but not great prospect like Justin Herbert at that pick. Lawrence is as can't-miss as a prospect as it gets AND we would have the additional picks to get him help.
I would be willing to listen to potential hauls for that pick. But I would want at least three 1st-round picks and a couple other high picks, and even that might not be enough depending on how Darnold plays this year.
I agree with all of you, I love Sam, I think he can be the guy and would love nothing more than to see him succeed in Green and White. If we are picking #2, i'm working the phones to get out of #2 and get as much help as possible for him. Hell in other years I would be trying to move off #1 to work with Sam. But if this year, we have #1, then it absolutely has to be Lawrence, and no amount of love for Sam can (or should) matter to the guys making the decisions.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 04:00:39 PM
I don't believe he's broken at all, I think he's doing his best under a coach who is making no effort at all to help him.
He can't handle pressure and his footwork is awful. Sometimes that cannot be coached out of a player.
By the time this season is over, Darnold may be David Carr'd.
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2020, 04:01:16 PM
This is also a great point.
We'd have to invest significant money into Darnold fairly soon and I'm not sure he's worth that.
Why would we? If you think he's damaged after three years then no one is giving him significant money. The only way you pay him at the end of next season is if he was worth it.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2020, 04:01:19 PM
He can't handle pressure and his footwork is awful. Sometimes that cannot be coached out of a player.
By the time this season is over, Darnold may be David Carr'd.
this infuriates the excrement out of me
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2020, 04:02:19 PM
I agree with all of you, I love Sam, I think he can be the guy and would love nothing more than to see him succeed in Green and White. If we are picking #2, i'm working the phones to get out of #2 and get as much help as possible for him. Hell in other years I would be trying to move off #1 to work with Sam. But if this year, we have #1, then it absolutely has to be Lawrence, and no amount of love for Sam can (or should) matter to the guys making the decisions.
If we have #2 I'm taking Chase and I'm not answering the phone.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 04:03:46 PM
Why would we? If you think he's damaged after three years then no one is giving him significant money. The only way you pay him at the end of next season is if he was worth it.
If you carry him until the end of his contract and he's not worth it, then what?
You've passed on a generational QB prospect in Trevor Lawrence and now you've got nothing.
It could set the team back even further.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 04:03:49 PM
This is also a great point.
We'd have to invest significant money into Darnold fairly soon and I'm not sure he's worth that.
Sam Darnold for $25-$30 million per year of cap space (while the cap is still recovering from the COVID hit in 2021-2022)
or
Trevor Lawrence on a rookie deal from 2021-2026)
Financially Lawrence also makes so much sense. We can actually pay to bring in legitimate talent around him in addition to the guys we plan to draft to support him
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 04:04:01 PM
If we have #2 I'm taking Chase and I'm not answering the phone.
No question
Post by: reuben on September 24, 2020, 04:04:42 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2020, 04:06:13 PM
If you carry him until the end of his contract and he's not worth it, then what?
You've passed on a generational QB prospect in Trevor Lawrence and now you've got nothing.
It could set the team back even further.
Is Trevor Lawrence really considered a generational QB prospect? I know he's good....but i'm not sure i'd categorize him with the likes of Andrew Luck or Cam Newton.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 04:07:10 PM
Is Trevor Lawrence really considered a generational QB prospect? I know he's good....but i'm not sure i'd categorize him with the likes of Andrew Luck or Cam Newton.
He is better than both of them.
Post by: MBGreen on September 24, 2020, 04:08:49 PM
He is better than both of them.
his haircut is
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 04:11:43 PM
He is better than both of them.Correct me if I am wrong, but if Lawrence has a nearly identical season to a year ago (meaning no back sliding, let along actually progressing as a passer) he will be seen as the best prospect since John Elway, better than Manning, Luck, Newton, and everyone else that went #1 overall.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 04:14:39 PM
If you carry him until the end of his contract and he's not worth it, then what?
You've passed on a generational QB prospect in Trevor Lawrence and now you've got nothing.
It could set the team back even further.
As much as I hate it, we have to assume (if we are picking #1) that Sam is broken and irreparable. If we trade him away and he gets fixed, we will have to live with that. But chances are MUCH better that he won't be turning into an elite QB than him doing so. Our chances of Lawrence becoming a franchise QB that can win rings is much higher than Sam's chances right now, and that's why we would have to make that move.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 04:18:00 PM
If we have #2 I'm taking Chase and I'm not answering the phone.
I'm not talking about trading down as far as I can, only to move down a spot or two, MAYBE to 5. Someone is going to want Fields and/or Lance, and I would love to benefit from that.
Obviously the board and who is at spots 3/4/5 would dictate things. Chase is obviously the top prospect we need the most.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 04:24:31 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but if Lawrence has a nearly identical season to a year ago (meaning no back sliding, let along actually progressing as a passer) he will be seen as the best prospect since John Elway, better than Manning, Luck, Newton, and everyone else that went #1 overall.
Id put him behind Peyton Manning, unless he wins the Heisman and another title. Then you could make the argument that he's the greatest prospect ever.
(And I know the Heisman doesn't necessarily matter when it comes to NFL transition)
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 24, 2020, 04:37:04 PM
Id put him behind Peyton Manning, unless he wins the Heisman and another title. Then you could make the argument that he's the greatest prospect ever.Exactly. You cannot pass on Trevor Lawrence. It would take the biggest trade in NFL history to trade that No. 1 pick. Sam hasn't been nearly good enough to pass that up.
(And I know the Heisman doesn't necessarily matter when it comes to NFL transition)
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2020, 04:43:59 PM
I would also reiterate that our 'winning window' with Sam on a rookie deal is OVER. Lawrence has every ounce of potential that a HOF QB possesses. If we don't draft that guy, in the hope that Sam isn't broken, and that we can save him and it DOESN'T work out, we will never have another shot at a Lawrence level prospect again. In almost any other year, with almost any other QB prospect, I agree this would be the correct course of action. But it isn't. If a team like Minnesota wants to trade for Sam for a 3rd, then that deal is infinitely preferable to me than trading Lawrence for 3 1's.
I think you are greatly overestimating how early our winning window would start with any QB after this season.
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I also think that Sam would fetch quite a bit more than 'just' a 3rd if it came to it.
Not if we are in a position to draft #1 overall.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 04:48:20 PM
I think you are greatly overestimating how early our winning window would start with any QB after this season.
Not if we are in a position to draft #1 overall.
Our chance to make the playoffs again is 2021 with the absolute perfect offseason. Our winning window, to actually have a chance to win a title is at the earliest 2022, but more likely 2023 unless our QB is putting up MVP types of performances in his second year.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 24, 2020, 04:48:35 PM
I think you are greatly overestimating how early our winning window would start with any QB after this season.
Any team that gets a QB high in the draft is on the clock to win during that rookie contract. Yes, we have a long way to go, but all it takes is 1-2 strong draft classes and a couple timely FA signings. If Lawrence is the real deal, he should elevate the team, too.
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Not if we are in a position to draft #1 overall.
And not with Darnold's contract situation. Not sure what team will give up "quite a bit more than just a 3rd" for a 3rd-year QB who has been below average in every statistical category for 3 years and is a year away from free agency.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2020, 05:07:50 PM
. Yes, we have a long way to go, but all it takes is 1-2 strong draft classes and a couple timely FA signings. If Lawrence is the real deal, he should elevate the team, too.
What it takes is a complete roster rebuild. Half of this roster shouldn’t be in the league, the other half may not be physically able to play after this season if the injury rate holds.
If we take a QB in year one and then play him in that year we will be back here in 2024.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 24, 2020, 05:11:47 PM
What it takes is a complete roster rebuild. Half of this roster shouldn’t be in the league, the other half may not be physically able to play after this season if the injury rate holds.We have extra picks in 2021 and 2022, even once you include Lawrence. You can't just pass up a franchise-changing QB because Darnold 'might' be good and because the rest of the team sucks. If we had an elite QB, the rest of the team would look a lot better. Darnold hasn't proven himself to be the problem, but he also hasn't shown himself to be the solution either.
If we take a QB in year one and then play him in that year we will be back here in 2024.
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2020, 05:17:08 PM
Any team that gets a QB high in the draft is on the clock to win during that rookie contract.
Why? Since the lockout and the introduction of the rookie pay scale only two teams have won the Super Bowl with a QB on his rookie contract, the Chiefs last year and Seattle in 2013, and Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round. So you're basically saying that every single team that has drafted a QB early has failed except for the Chiefs (you can argue the Eagles but I'll also argue that they don't win in 2018 with Wentz under center). The fact is that Super Bowls are almost always won by veteran QBs with huge deals, good supporting casts that they elevate, and excellent coaching. Having a young cheap star guy that you can surround with expensive talent is one model, but it's not the prevailing one.
Bill Belichick
Pete Carroll
John Harbaugh
Andy Reid
Doug Pederson
Gary Kubiak
Tom Coughlin
Mike Tomlin
Mike McCarthy
Smart, veteran coaches. That's how you win things, not hoping a rookie just balls out. Way too many can't miss prospects coming out of college do in fact miss, for all sorts of reasons.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2020, 05:27:29 PM
We have extra picks in 2021 and 2022, even once you include Lawrence. You can't just pass up a franchise-changing QB because Darnold 'might' be good and because the rest of the team sucks. If we had an elite QB, the rest of the team would look a lot better. Darnold hasn't proven himself to be the problem, but he also hasn't shown himself to be the solution either.
I’m not saying not to take Lawrence in this case.
I’m saying this team is more than likely going to finish outside of playoff contention and probably will struggle to get back to last season’s 9-7 record even with the WR FA class, another first round draft pick that contribute’s, and even Joe Thuney finally shaking loose from the Patriots.
There’s still the other side of the ball where the only people who look remotely competent are Q and Maye.
This team is going to struggle next season. My argument is 1) we shouldn’t expect to be instantly competitive after being the worst team in the league (which is the hypothetical we are entertaining here) and 2) to not put the rookie in there and let him get the excrement kicked out of him. Either let Darnold stay out there for one more year with Lawrence holding the clipboard or cut Darnold and get a veteran on a short term deal who can take the beating for a season while the rookie learns.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 05:38:19 PM
It also doesn't make any sense to pay a fringe starter $10-$15 million dollars just to compete with Lawrence. I absolutely agree that a Vet who we can get for $3-$5 million ala Flacco, Brunell, McCown etc that we have had over the past 10 years or so.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2020, 06:12:04 PM
Cato, the Carson Palmer plan, no longer is an option in today's NFL.Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Tua Tagovailoa, Jordan Love, and Justin Herbert were all drafted with that exact plan. Some were drafted behind declining stars, others behind struggling journeymen. The only reason any of them played or will play in their first season injury was and is an injury to the starter ahead of them.
Here’s where you argue About their draft position but throwing a player into an awful team just because he was the top pick is frankly shitty management of a massive investment. This team will be bad in 2021. How many rookie QBs have come on to an NFL that ranked #32 in the previous season and suddenly turned it around?
There is no incentive to play Lawrence immediately.
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he will be traded for whatever we can get for the guy.I don’t know why you keep pushing the idea that anyone will give the Jets anything for Sam Darnold if they are in a position to draft Trevor Lawrence.
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It also doesn't make any sense to pay a fringe starter $10-$15 million dollars just to compete with Lawrence. I absolutely agree that a Vet who we can get for $3-$5 million ala Flacco, Brunell, McCown etc that we have had over the past 10 years or so.
I never said compete. This is you trying to connect a dot to a scenario I am not arguing. And how has the stupid freaking mentor QB system which multiple Jets regimes have tried worked out so far?
I don’t see where giving someone Tyrod Taylor’s 2 year $11million contract to come in and play is prohibitive. You want the cheapest option?
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 06:22:18 PM
Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Tua Tagovailoa, Jordan Love, and Justin Herbert were all drafted with that exact plan. Some were drafted behind declining stars, others behind struggling journeymen. The only reason any of them played or will play in their first season injury was and is an injury to the starter ahead of them.
Here’s where you argue About their draft position but throwing a player into an awful team just because he was the top pick is frankly shitty management of a massive investment. This team will be bad in 2021. How many rookie QBs have come on to an NFL that ranked #32 in the previous season and suddenly turned it around?
There is no incentive to play Lawrence immediately.
I don’t know why you keep pushing the idea that anyone will give the Jets anything for Sam Darnold if they are in a position to draft Trevor Lawrence.
I never said compete. This is you trying to connect a dot to a scenario I am not arguing. And how has the stupid freaking mentor QB system which multiple Jets regimes have tried worked out so far?
I don’t see where giving someone Tyrod Taylor’s 2 year $11million contract to come in and play is prohibitive. You want the cheapest option?
Every single one of the guys you listed was drafted and considered not ready, with the exception of Tua who is recovering from injury. None were the prospect Lawrence was. You might not like it, but Lawrence will be a day 1 starter on any team that drafts him barring something completely insane happening like Seattle picking #1 which we know is of course an impossibility due to us having their pick.
I stand by my point that Sam will not be a Jet when TC opens in 2021 if the Jets draft Lawrence. The optics are terrible and guys on the team will still be loyal to Sam. While I believe Douglas would get a trade partner (remember somebody traded a late 2 for Rosen AFTER Murray was selected) for Darnold (maybe not for a package we want) but if he literally can’t get a ham sandwich for Sam, he will be cut.
This team needs to spend every dollar it can building around its young QB this offseason, regardless of if that is Sam, Lawrence, Fields, Lance or somebody else. So yes I have an issue spending $11+ million on a QB who is going to lose that starting job. Also I don’t know who the cheapest starter (not on a rookie deal) is in the league but I’d wager it’s close to $15 million than $10 million.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 24, 2020, 06:24:34 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2020, 06:39:27 PM
Mike McCarthy fuckin sucks
Who?
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2020, 07:32:47 PM
Since I brought the subject up, the holes on said defense include: no edge rusher, one ILB with a large contract coming off an ACL injury who in 2020 was battling hamstring injuries, an ILB with a massive contract who hasn’t played football in 2 seasons, an ILB who can’t stay healthy, another ILB who shouldn’t be on the field outside of kickoff coverage who has spent the last two seasons making TEs look much, much better than they are, one corner who may be competent but has a massive injury concern, the other corner slot filled by a rotation of people who lost their job for either being injured or being benched.
There is no reason to believe this team will be competitive next season and no reason to toss a rookie QB into the fire before the offense has a chance to gel.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 07:57:06 PM
Anyway, the point I don’t get is why rush any Rookie QB into the a starting role when you are coming off such a excrement offense. There’s still a learning curve. Trevor Lawrence isn’t going to come in here and make us instantly competitive when we still have no NR1 WR, no NR2 WR, a starting HB who has been a complete scrub since sitting out a season and likely won’t be on the roster next seasons, a sexagenarian and a rookie backing him up, a hole at RG, kind of a toss up at C, no permanent answer at LG, no real viable backup plan if he gets injured or struggles (Mike White vs, the next guy to get paralyzed if he steps foot on the field), and no defense to take the pressure off of him.
Since I brought the subject up, the holes on said defense include: no edge rusher, one ILB with a large contract coming off an ACL injury who in 2020 was battling hamstring injuries, an ILB with a massive contract who hasn’t played football in 2 seasons, an ILB who can’t stay healthy, another ILB who shouldn’t be on the field outside of kickoff coverage who has spent the last two seasons making TEs look much, much better than they are, one corner who may be competent but has a massive injury concern, the other corner slot filled by a rotation of people who lost their job for either being injured or being benched.
There is no reason to believe this team will be competitive next season and no reason to toss a rookie QB into the fire before the offense has a chance to gel.
I strongly disagree with this. We could go 0-16 this year, and next year I would still expect us to compete in games and win something between 6-8 games. If by competitive, you mean win a ring, then you are right, there is virtually no way that happens.
We have one of the highest cap spaces in the league, and we have a very large group of guys (and cap) we can cut for nearly no dead money (George Fant, Jamison Crowder, Henry Anderson etc), which means we will have a lot of new faces, and SHOULD be very improved. Add in 2 first rounders (which could be a new QB and a new weapon, or perhaps 2 new offensive pieces for Sam) and the hopeful growth from the 2020 class (if they ever get healthy) and there is a lot of reason to believe this team will be much more competitive next year. Assuming we add 1 more quality piece to the OL and change out our weapons, there is no reason why this wouldn't be a nearly ideal place for a young QB to thrive, be it Sam or a new guy.
Oh and there will be a new coach, hopefully one who is far more competent than our current failure
Essentially what I am saying is that if Douglas is the guy we think, it should be a much better roster next year, and should be a very improved offense (from a talent perspective). If he isn't the right guy, then it won't be, and of course we are fucked either way.
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2020, 08:06:15 PM
I strongly disagree with this. We could go 0-16 this year, and next year I would still expect us to compete in games and win something between 6-8 games. If by competitive, you mean win a ring, then you are right, there is virtually no way that happens.
We have one of the highest cap spaces in the league, and we have a very large group of guys (and cap) we can cut for nearly no dead money (George Fant, Jamison Crowder, Henry Anderson etc), which means we will have a lot of new faces, and SHOULD be very improved. Add in 2 first rounders (which could be a new QB and a new weapon, or perhaps 2 new offensive pieces for Sam) and the hopeful growth from the 2020 class (if they ever get healthy) and there is a lot of reason to believe this team will be much more competitive next year. Assuming we add 1 more quality piece to the OL and change out our weapons, there is no reason why this wouldn't be a nearly ideal place for a young QB to thrive, be it Sam or a new guy.
Oh and there will be a new coach, hopefully one who is far more competent than our current failure
Essentially what I am saying is that if Douglas is the guy we think, it should be a much better roster next year, and should be a very improved offense (from a talent perspective). If he isn't the right guy, then it won't be, and of course we are fucked either way.
The idea that a new coaching staff could take a bunch of draft picks including a new QB and a bunch of new FAs and blend them together with the remnants of the current roster and somehow turn it into a .500 team is mental, even if Douglas somehow played the draft and free agency like a maestro. I can't think of an example of that happening at any other club.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 24, 2020, 08:09:10 PM
I assume we will make a bigger free agency splash next offseason. We will have a ton of money and we have a lot of needs. We also have a large draft class next season to improve the team. If that draft includes Lawrence, maybe he is an upgrade over Darnold. If it doesn't, we can hopefully get some quality young talent around him.
The best path to being competitive is Darnold developing, and some of the recent draft picks getting playing time and doing well. If Davis and Zuniga show flashes, maybe we have the makings of a decent young core. Maybe Herndon, Mims, Perine, Clark, and Vyncint look like keepers offensively. And most importantly, maybe Darnold looks a lot better in the 2nd half of the season when we are hopefully healthier.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 24, 2020, 08:17:22 PM
The idea that a new coaching staff could take a bunch of draft picks including a new QB and a bunch of new FAs and blend them together with the remnants of the current roster and somehow turn it into a .500 team is mental, even if Douglas somehow played the draft and free agency like a maestro. I can't think of an example of that happening at any other club.2005: Jets are a 4-12 train wreck
2006: Mangini leads Jets to 10 wins and playoffs despite Chad having no arm left.
2014: Jets bottom out at 4-12 (after going 8-8 with an awful roster)
2015: Free agents prop Jets up to 10 wins and a near playoff berth
1996: 1-15
1997: 9-7
So many examples around the NFL, and the Jets have done it a number of times themselves.
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2020, 08:31:24 PM
2005: Jets are a 4-12 train wreck
2006: Mangini leads Jets to 10 wins and playoffs despite Chad having no arm left.
2014: Jets bottom out at 4-12 (after going 8-8 with an awful roster)
2015: Free agents prop Jets up to 10 wins and a near playoff berth
1996: 1-15
1997: 9-7
So many examples around the NFL, and the Jets have done it a number of times themselves.
First two examples the Jets weren't close to being the worst team in the league the season before. The third one required some scrub called Parcells to figure excrement out.
There's no way we're finishing 32nd this season, drafting Lawrence, picking a bunch of other rookies, signing a bunch of FAs, replacing the coach, and going .500. This isn't Madden.
The best path to being competitive is Darnold developing, and some of the recent draft picks getting playing time and doing well. If Davis and Zuniga show flashes, maybe we have the makings of a decent young core. Maybe Herndon, Mims, Perine, Clark, and Vyncint look like keepers offensively. And most importantly, maybe Darnold looks a lot better in the 2nd half of the season when we are hopefully healthier.
This though is correct. This is definitely our best chance of becoming good. The only way that this is happening is by removing the guy who's taking it in the opposite direction.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 08:52:17 PM
You (and many others) are arguing our biggest impediment to success is Adam Gase. That tells me that no matter what the actual record of our roster, the talent level is capable of more. If we win 2 games with Gase, I think it’s fair to say a league average coach would win 4 games with our roster. Which means to get to 8 wins we have to upgrade the talent by a whopping 4 games assuming our new coach is merely average at getting the team to play well and not anything special. That’s not highly unreasonable IMO that we have a shot to win 8 games next year.
My larger point anyways was that we had damn sure better at least be competitive next year, we should be set up for a transformational offseason, if Douglas is the right guy, our team will be much improved next year. Of course if he’s not.... then we are fucked either way.
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2020, 09:07:02 PM
Literally one season ago San Francisco went from picking #2 overall to the super bowl. Was that normal? Or course not. Will we do the same thing? I sure doubt it. But to suggest it’s absolutely impossible for a big turnaround is absurd. Hell how many years in a row did the NFC South have that weird worst to first in the division thing, 3 straight?
You're missing my point, which is not that massive turnarounds are not possible, but that they don't happen when you change the coach and the quarterback and add a lot of draft picks and a lot of free agents all in one offseason. Bring a better coach and a few good picks into a massively mismanaged roster that has some talent, sure. Give a decent coach hamstrung by injuries and a lack of talent a bunch of good new players by having a blinding FA and draft, feasible. But throwing the whole thing up in the air and expecting it to turn into something useful? Not happening.
We have Mekhi Becton, Marcus Maye and Quinnen Williams who have shown signs that they could be outstanding players at their position. We might have someone who could be our franchise QB but we're doing our best to beat that out of him so far. Everyone else on the roster is currently a JAG at best, and flat out garbage at worst. We have the worst coaching staff in the NFL, a GM who might be good but is at best still an unknown quantity, and terrible owners who mean well but don't really understand football at remotely close to the level necessary to be making the kind of decisions they're required to.
If you think that stands a meaningful chance of being at .500 next season regardless of what happens in the offseason, I suggest you go buy a Powerball ticket.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2020, 09:11:06 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2020, 09:29:05 PM
I say all that without knowing exactly how we do this year. We look atrocious but we are also missing a freak ton of guys to soft tissue injuries. It’s actually conceivable (although unlikely and I would be blown away if that happens) that we could still win 4-5 games this year.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2020, 09:50:41 PM
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2020, 10:14:18 PM
We’ve been talking about that magical offseason where we do everything right for seemingly forever now2015 doe
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 25, 2020, 03:46:36 AM
We’ve been talking about that magical offseason where we do everything right for seemingly forever now
But this time it’ll be different!!!
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 25, 2020, 06:06:53 AM
We’ve been talking about that magical offseason where we do everything right for seemingly forever nowWhich is why we have struggled for a decade. Eventually we will have a strong draft or hit on some free agents.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 25, 2020, 06:25:21 AM
Which is why we have struggled for a decade. Eventually we will have a strong draft or hit on some free agents.
No one magical offseason is going to fix all of the Jets’ roster issues. It’s insane how many people want to gloss over how bad this roster is right now. Even without the injury issues, Gase’s overall mismanagement, and a team that knew how to tackle last season getting some very specific amnesia, we’re still fielding a team of scrubs. This team is two seasons away from being relevant assuming all goes well and we still don't know how good our GM is. I'll grant he can evaluate OLine but outside of that it’s still a question mark.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 25, 2020, 06:32:53 AM
No one magical offseason is going to fix all of the Jets’ roster issues. It’s insane how many people want to gloss over how bad this roster is right now. Even without the injury issues, Gase’s overall mismanagement, and a team that knew how to tackle last season getting some very specific amnesia, we’re still fielding a team of scrubs. This team is two seasons away from being relevant assuming all goes well and we still don't know how good our GM is. I'll grant he can evaluate OLine but outside of that it’s still a question mark.We arent glossing over it. I know the Jets have a bad roster.
They also had an atrocious roster in 2005 and 2012 and 1996 and had quick turnarounds. Obviously, odds are against that and most likely we will suck again. But I'm not punting on 2021 in September 2020.
If Gase is the worst coach of all-time as many of you seem to think, upgrading him should be worth a couple wins right there, right?
Get 2 quality wide receivers and one new linemen and the offense should be competent if Darnold is what he's supposed to be.
Find another cornerback and bring back Mosley and the defense is in much better shape.
Get 4 quality players at those positions and we can be competitive if Darnold is what he is supposed to be. I'm not saying that is a playoff team. But it could be if things break really right, especially with an easier schedule.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 25, 2020, 06:54:13 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 25, 2020, 06:59:01 AM
Parcells took the 1-15 Jets to 9-7 the following year, using essentially the same players. So there’s your example 😊The 49ers picked ahead of us in the 2019 draft and nearly won the damn Super Bowl.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 25, 2020, 07:07:22 AM
We arent glossing over it. I know the Jets have a bad roster.
They also had an atrocious roster in 2005 and 2012 and 1996 and had quick turnarounds. Obviously, odds are against that and most likely we will suck again. But I'm not punting on 2021 in September 2020.
If Gase is the worst coach of all-time as many of you seem to think, upgrading him should be worth a couple wins right there, right?
Get 2 quality wide receivers and one new linemen and the offense should be competent if Darnold is what he's supposed to be.
Find another cornerback and bring back Mosley and the defense is in much better shape.
Get 4 quality players at those positions and we can be competitive if Darnold is what he is supposed to be. I'm not saying that is a playoff team. But it could be if things break really right, especially with an easier schedule.
That’s a lot of faith in a guy who hasn’t played football in two seasons.
Post by: MBGreen on September 25, 2020, 08:10:48 AM
2. If we end up with the #1 pick and draft Sunshine Lawrence, i don't trust this ownership group to hire the right coach. Remember, it's not Joe Douglas making the hire, it's the Johnsons. They've failed miserably for too long.
3. However, i do believe in Joe Douglas. I love that he believes in building through the draft. And he's made some great trades so far. I know some people hate the Jamal trade...but that haul will be vital in turning this roster around.
This is a lost season. I know it's only week 3, but even if Gase was fired tomorrow....this roster won't turn it around. We really need the Johnsons (hopefully with input from Douglas) to make the right hire after Gase is shown the door. No more phone calls to Peyton Manning or the like.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 25, 2020, 08:16:02 AM
If we end up with the #1 pick and draft Sunshine Lawrence, i don't trust this ownership group to hire the right coach. Remember, it's not Joe Douglas making the hire, it's the Johnsons. They've failed miserably for too long.
Conventional wisdom would suggest that the same people who are willing to entrust this most important decision to the likes of part time retard consultants like Charlie Casserly, or a phone call from Manning are going to be willing to let the guy they handed a six year contract to pick his own coach.
This is the Johnson's though.
Post by: MBGreen on September 25, 2020, 08:20:32 AM
Conventional wisdom would suggest that the same people who are willing to entrust this most important decision to the likes of part time retard consultants like Charlie Casserly, or a phone call from Manning are going to be willing to let the guy they handed a six year contract to pick his own coach.
This is the Johnson's though.
Dont forget...Woody likes to use Korn Ferry to hire accountants to be GMs.
It's gonna be "rinse and repeat" until it isn't. freak i hate this team sometimes.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 25, 2020, 11:52:27 AM
Dont forget...Woody likes to use Korn Ferry to hire accountants to be GMs.Would we rather have a Korn Ferry search firm or the Johnsons make the decisions?
It's gonna be "rinse and repeat" until it isn't. freak i hate this team sometimes.
I honestly don't know.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 25, 2020, 11:55:20 AM
"We're going from where football is going to where football was!"
Post by: MBGreen on September 25, 2020, 12:04:19 PM
Would we rather have a Korn Ferry search firm or the Johnsons make the decisions?
I honestly don't know.
If i had my way, i would let Joe Douglas pick his guy.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 25, 2020, 12:19:51 PM
If i had my way, i would let Joe Douglas pick his guy.
I would love to know who Douglas would pick to coach this group if it was entirely his choice.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 25, 2020, 12:24:44 PM
I would love to know who Douglas would pick to coach this group if it was entirely his choice.
Lane Kiffin
Post by: MBGreen on September 25, 2020, 12:26:40 PM
Lane Kiffin
They're in the same weight class
Post by: Gorilla on September 25, 2020, 12:34:24 PM
If we have the #1 pick and don't take Trevor Lawrence, Joe Douglas should be fired.
The only way we're getting the #1 overall pick is if Sam Darnold is terrible all season long.
I agree with this, and I can't think of any extenuating circumstances that would change my mind. Darnold is the best prospect we've drafted since Namath, and in 2018 was imo the best QB prospect since Luck.....Lawrence is better as a prospect, without question, in every way.
As Heis and others have mentioned, Lawrence is on the super-elite QB prospect level of Peyton and Luck. By the end of the 2020 college season he may very well surpass both. If we have the top pick, we are horrible, Sam has regressed, and it would be moronic to pass on the level of QB we will likely not have the opportunity to draft again. Teams with 3rd-year no-doubt stud franchise QBs do not pick first in the draft.
1. I'm not ready to give up on Darnold. I think he's a victim of subpar coaching and a subpar roster. We haven't seen his full potential.
2. If we end up with the #1 pick and draft Sunshine Lawrence, i don't trust this ownership group to hire the right coach. Remember, it's not Joe Douglas making the hire, it's the Johnsons. They've failed miserably for too long.
3. However, i do believe in Joe Douglas. I love that he believes in building through the draft. And he's made some great trades so far. I know some people hate the Jamal trade...but that haul will be vital in turning this roster around.
I also agree with point 1 here. I'm a huge Darnold fan, since his USC Rose Bowl win. I truly hope he can carry us to NOT being the worst team in football, and this is a moot discussion.
It's all about JD hitting on draft picks at a decent percentage. Similar to Sam, he's the best GM "prospect" I've seen this team hire (as opposed to the last two D-List fuckwits). As of now, it seems like step one is to get rid of Gase. The recent reports of lackluster practices and the team's crappy effort are very damning.
But again, if we have the worst record in the league and have the chance to draft as close as you can get to a Franchise Savior, you jump at it with no hesitation. That excrement rarely happens (unless you're the freaking Colts, evidently).
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 02:23:48 PM
I agree with this, and I can't think of any extenuating circumstances that would change my mind. Darnold is the best prospect we've drafted since Namath, and in 2018 was imo the best QB prospect since Luck.....Lawrence is better as a prospect, without question, in every way.I wasnt as high on Darnold coming out. I still loved the pick, but i would have been just as fine with Maxfield, Rosen or Jackson. I thought it was a legit debate. I dont look at Darnold and think he is a Luck-level prospect.
As Heis and others have mentioned, Lawrence is on the super-elite QB prospect level of Peyton and Luck. By the end of the 2020 college season he may very well surpass both. If we have the top pick, we are horrible, Sam has regressed, and it would be moronic to pass on the level of QB we will likely not have the opportunity to draft again. Teams with 3rd-year no-doubt stud franchise QBs do not pick first in the draft.
I also agree with point 1 here. I'm a huge Darnold fan, since his USC Rose Bowl win. I truly hope he can carry us to NOT being the worst team in football, and this is a moot discussion.
It's all about JD hitting on draft picks at a decent percentage. Similar to Sam, he's the best GM "prospect" I've seen this team hire (as opposed to the last two D-List fuckwits). As of now, it seems like step one is to get rid of Gase. The recent reports of lackluster practices and the team's crappy effort are very damning.
But again, if we have the worst record in the league and have the chance to draft as close as you can get to a Franchise Savior, you jump at it with no hesitation. That excrement rarely happens (unless you're the freaking Colts, evidently).
That said, I agree with basically all of this. Imagine if the Cardinals passed on Kyler because they didn't give Rosen elite-level weapons. Darnold has shown more than Rosen but he hasn't shown nearly enough every you pass on TL. But we still have 14 games to go so there is a lot of time left for Sam to either prove he is the amswer or win enough games to get us away from Lawrence discussion.
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2020, 07:59:27 PM
I am currently between 4 and 5.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 08:04:21 PM
I'll have a more concrete answer once I watch this game (if I even watch this game).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 08:07:55 PM
I was hoping for a good performance from Sam but was expecting the worst when I saw our offensive depth chart
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2020, 08:27:22 PM
Then the rest of the day pushes it all the way back to a 4.
I said this in the game thread but I totally get what Sam is thinking.
1. This offense is a disaster, the only way we can move the ball is if he is taking big risks.
2. The WRs can't separate, and don't threaten DBs deep. That's why INT 1 happened, Rhodes sat on the route, because there was no chance he would get beat deep (or that gase we even try to throw it deep)
3. So it's all tight window throws, because we don't have talent to beat guys 1 on 1, and don't have a scheme that gets guys open.
4. So he just has to let it ride. If he makes the perfect throw great things happen (see Berrios td last week) if he doesn't make the perfect throw, bad excrement happens. For instance, the INT against the Bills. If the perfect throw is made, then it might be a completion.
I understand Sam taking chances. He literally has to, or we can't move the ball. But he absolutely HAS to be better taking care of the ball, and he definitely can't make that 3rd INT ever. I have no clue who that pass was to. It was way over one guys head, and about 8 yards inside of another guy.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2020, 09:53:29 PM
So it's all tight window throws
It's really not though.
Darnold has missed wide open targets multiple times in every game so far this season.
Our receivers stink, but Sam has also been wildly inaccurate.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2020, 09:55:00 PM
For instance, the INT against the Bills. If the perfect throw is made, then it might be a completion.
He threw the ball back into the middle of the field into triple coverage. It's an awful decision no matter what.
Post by: reuben on September 27, 2020, 10:08:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/unJqKgS.png)
I am currently between 4 and 5.
If Becton and Fant and McGovern miss more than a couple games between them, Sam's done here. There is no possible way for a quarterback already on shaky ground to improve under these circumstances.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 10:48:27 PM
Gase doesn’t throw to the TE’s in his offense, but Herndon and Griffin have disappointed as well.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2020, 11:20:18 PM
He threw the ball back into the middle of the field into triple coverage. It's an awful decision no matter what.
It very much is. I was just saying if the pass was absolutely perfect, it may have been a completion. Doesn’t change the decision being freaking awful
Post by: Libero_2 on September 27, 2020, 11:22:50 PM
It's really not though.
Darnold has missed wide open targets multiple times in every game so far this season.
Our receivers stink, but Sam has also been wildly inaccurate.
You are right. There have been throws for Sam to hit that he hasn’t. Would be nice for him to have a bunch of easy throws a game though instead of just a couple here and there. Your point stands though, whenever he has an easy throw he absolutely needs to hit it, regardless of how few and far between those opportunities are
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 27, 2020, 11:25:58 PM
It's really not though.And that is what you can evaluate Sam on. Many of the plays can be thrown out entirely. But he left a bunch of plays on the field in Buffalo and it sounds like he may have this week, too.
Darnold has missed wide open targets multiple times in every game so far this season.
Our receivers stink, but Sam has also been wildly inaccurate.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 27, 2020, 11:31:24 PM
Gase doesn’t throw to the TE’s in his offense, but Herndon and Griffin have disappointed as well.
Gase uses them plenty. They just suck.
Both of them have had multiple drops.
Griffin has been useless. Dropped passes and push offs.
Darnold has also missed Herndon on several targets too.
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 12:09:06 AM
Gase uses them plenty. They just suck.Herndon looked great two years ago. Griffin was a rare bright spot last season. So what you're saying is that the entire roster is regressing under Gase.
Both of them have had multiple drops.
Griffin has been useless. Dropped passes and push offs.
Darnold has also missed Herndon on several targets too.
Get. Him. Out.
Post by: reuben on September 28, 2020, 12:17:56 AM
Post by: MBGreen on September 28, 2020, 06:48:00 AM
The only decent receiver Sam has to throw to is Berrios. Hogan and Malone are not capable NFL starting outside receivers.
Gase doesn’t throw to the TE’s in his offense, but Herndon and Griffin have disappointed as well.
I'm trying to figure out how Griffin signed his contract extension without a pair of hands.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2020, 08:01:00 AM
Gase uses them plenty. They just suck.
Both of them have had multiple drops.
Griffin has been useless. Dropped passes and push offs.
Darnold has also missed Herndon on several targets too.
Jets TE Target % since 2019: 12%
30th in NFL
League avg is 21%
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 09:21:46 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 28, 2020, 09:30:47 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 28, 2020, 09:36:37 AM
Gase absolutely has to go by Friday morning, but Sam isn't doing anything to prove he's the answer--Gase or not
When I'm saying out loud "Yeah, that's the right thing to do Sam" when he runs toward the sideline and finally throws one away before running out of bounds, that's not a good sign. That's as close to "goes without saying" as it gets
The INTs are terrible. Let's not forget the throw he made into triple coverage that he's fortunate wasn't picked off as well
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 28, 2020, 10:12:01 AM
Hovering around 3 right nowI think he's playing like someone who should be a 3, but I'm holding out hope that if we get healthier, he'll get better. Don't want to panic too much off 3 games.
Gase absolutely has to go by Friday morning, but Sam isn't doing anything to prove he's the answer--Gase or not
When I'm saying out loud "Yeah, that's the right thing to do Sam" when he runs toward the sideline and finally throws one away before running out of bounds, that's not a good sign. That's as close to "goes without saying" as it gets
The INTs are terrible. Let's not forget the throw he made into triple coverage that he's fortunate wasn't picked off as well
So far, Darnold has had two flat out bad games and one solid game.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2020, 10:27:11 AM
This mf is SPITTIN
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 28, 2020, 10:27:26 AM
I think he's playing like someone who should be a 3, but I'm holding out hope that if we get healthier, he'll get better. Don't want to panic too much off 3 games.
So far, Darnold has had two flat out bad games and one solid game.
I want to have faith in Darnold. I want him to be the future
But he's got to make fewer brain dead mistakes. Lacking talent around him is one thing, but some of his throws are just flat out bad ideas and that's on him alone
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 28, 2020, 10:30:14 AM
https://twitter.com/keyjayandz/status/1310576373086531595?s=21He's also a USC guy who has known Darnold for years, so it's not like he's completely unbiased. USC folks love Sam Darnold.
This mf is SPITTIN
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2020, 10:57:20 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 28, 2020, 12:30:47 PM
https://twitter.com/keyjayandz/status/1310576373086531595?s=21
This mf is SPITTIN
That last line.... “if you dropped McVay in NY right now, Sam Darnold would look like he’s on his way to the Hall of Fame”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2020, 09:05:12 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 29, 2020, 05:05:57 AM
https://twitter.com/acefan23/status/1310616133754593288?s=21
loggins too busy being a fvcking gay hobbit and gase still looking at his fvcking sheet for the answers. it's all about the sheet.
fvck these guys
Post by: Libero_2 on September 29, 2020, 06:06:29 AM
loggins too busy being a fvcking gay hobbit and gase still looking at his fvcking sheet for the answers. it's all about the sheet.
fvck these guys
Not to defend those two too much, but that’s a 4 second clip. They can’t stand next to Sam every second of every game he’s not on the field, there are other things to worry about as well
That said I’m not sure the last time they showed a clip of somebody sitting with Sam going through screenshots of the defense and trying to figure out how to fix things / attack better
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2020, 08:27:51 AM
Not to defend those two too much, but that’s a 4 second clip. They can’t stand next to Sam every second of every game he’s not on the field, there are other things to worry about as well
That said I’m not sure the last time they showed a clip of somebody sitting with Sam going through screenshots of the defense and trying to figure out how to fix things / attack better
It’s a thread of clips
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 29, 2020, 01:05:06 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 29, 2020, 01:16:43 PM
Not to defend those two too much, but that’s a 4 second clip. They can’t stand next to Sam every second of every game he’s not on the field, there are other things to worry about as well
That said I’m not sure the last time they showed a clip of somebody sitting with Sam going through screenshots of the defense and trying to figure out how to fix things / attack better
I made this point either last week or week 1
I'm not saying anyone is going to coach out the yips in-game, but the kid is getting exactly zero support in between series
How is he always alone? Even if we excuse Gase for "being the head coach" where the hell is Loggains? So disgusted with this organization
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 29, 2020, 02:22:20 PM
Not to defend those two too much, but that’s a 4 second clip. They can’t stand next to Sam every second of every game he’s not on the field, there are other things to worry about as well
That said I’m not sure the last time they showed a clip of somebody sitting with Sam going through screenshots of the defense and trying to figure out how to fix things / attack better
It’s a thread of clips
it's a thread of clips spanning quarters 1 - 4
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 29, 2020, 02:23:38 PM
I made this point either last week or week 1
I'm not saying anyone is going to coach out the yips in-game, but the kid is getting exactly zero support in between series
How is he always alone? Even if we excuse Gase for "being the head coach" where the hell is Loggains? So disgusted with this organization
loggins is holding the challenge flag and practicing his hobbit 2-step. leave him alone
Post by: Laxin on September 29, 2020, 04:36:02 PM
https://twitter.com/acefan23/status/1310616133754593288?s=21
They really did it. They really ruined Sam. Honestly sickening
Post by: insanity on September 29, 2020, 04:44:23 PM
Troll or idiot?
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2020, 04:46:08 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewVanRaalte/status/1310828342464184321
Troll or idiot?
..... or the third option.
Post by: Laxin on September 29, 2020, 07:02:34 PM
..... or the third option.
Yeah, option 3 here.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 29, 2020, 07:07:27 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2020, 09:01:11 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewVanRaalte/status/1310828342464184321
Troll or idiot?
Where’s the lie
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2020, 09:11:55 PM
I'm not pleased with the roster this season. I don't know how much being the Jets played into our ability to attract FAs but we definitely failed to get the protection and weapons around the QB. Sam's been playing poorly but there isn't much around for hom to use either.
Without getting into the Douglas/Duff aspect, this is what Sam has had to deal with every season. From Bates and Bowles to Gase and Loggains. From trotting out Kearse-Roberts-Peake mid season of Darnold’s first year to trotting out Hogan-Berrios-Malone in week 3 this season. Does anyone else think that maybe a historically bad OLine last year had an effect on his confidence, pocket presence and mechanics? Are we positive that a Jets offensive coach is identifying and addressing Darnold’s issues? Yes, Darnold is regressing and sucks right now. What is worse is that the Jets have done the absolute worst possible job of giving him a chance to develop, after trading up to get him. I really can’t think of a young QB in a worse situation.
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2020, 09:55:13 PM
In 2018 we take the best QB talent in the draft, a player widely expected to become a top NFL QB. We entrust his development to a guy who hadn't coached in football, at any level at all, for 5 years prior to us hiring him as the QB coach, and we promote him to OC. It doesn't turn out very well, but Sam still looks pretty good for a rookie.
In 2019 we fire the not working guy and hire a guy with a reputation as a talented offensive mind, but whose track record says that he can only demonstrate it when he has the greatest QB of all time calling the plays, and if we're being charitable to a lesser degree one of the better veteran talents of a generation. He certainly doesn't have any history whatsoever of developing a young player, and in fact there's more than a hint that young players in the past have not done well under him. It doesn't turn out very well, but Sam still shows flashes of being something special although it's concerning that he hasn't progressed as much as we would like.
In 2020 we retain the same not working guy and make a half-hearted attempt to fix the 2019 scapegoat, the offensive line, by drafting a talented left tackle and replacing all the excrement veterans from 2019 with some hopefully slightly less excrement but still fairly mediocre veterans. We compensate for this by turning a not very good 2019 receiving corps into an historically bad receiving corps, including allowing our best receiver of the last two years and Sam's favourite target to walk for the sake of saving a not very large amount of money. Just for fun we also trade the best player on the team and the heart of the only unit that made us relevant in 2019 because he's upset about playing for a team that doesn't seem to be interested in winning, and not willing to compensate him accordingly. We justify this based upon how good we're going to be able to be in 2021. Three games into the season it isn't turning out very well, and now we're concerned about Sam's lack of progression.
Apparently Sam is somehow at fault for all of this.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 29, 2020, 10:01:40 PM
I don't want him to be a bad product because of it but if we are picking at the #1 spot then he's probably been ruined.
I think SFD gave the best summation of the problem. U fortunately that's what we are living with.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on September 30, 2020, 08:25:45 AM
Without getting into the Douglas/Duff aspect, this is what Sam has had to deal with every season. From Bates and Bowles to Gase and Loggains. From trotting out Kearse-Roberts-Peake mid season of Darnold’s first year to trotting out Hogan-Berrios-Malone in week 3 this season. Does anyone else think that maybe a historically bad OLine last year had an effect on his confidence, pocket presence and mechanics? Are we positive that a Jets offensive coach is identifying and addressing Darnold’s issues? Yes, Darnold is regressing and sucks right now. What is worse is that the Jets have done the absolute worst possible job of giving him a chance to develop, after trading up to get him. I really can’t think of a young QB in a worse situation.
Josh Rosen says Hai
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2020, 08:29:49 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2020, 08:30:55 AM
Josh Rosen says Hai
He’s never gotten a real chance, but yeah being on Arizona the year they got the 1 pick and then Miami during a tank year is probably worse.
Rosen must look like Hackenberg in practice
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2020, 08:31:19 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 30, 2020, 12:06:12 PM
Quote
Watching Sam Darnold’s Week 3 tape...
The 2nd reaction ability/arm talent still flashes.
But he looks rushed as a pocket thrower — not trusting his eyes/anticipating windows.
Plus, the decision making has to improve. NYJ aren’t talented enough to turn the ball over.
#Jets
https://twitter.com/mattbowen41/status/1311338861876981760?s=21
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2020, 08:07:58 AM
😭
Post by: Libero_2 on October 01, 2020, 08:59:12 AM
https://twitter.com/thedrunkjetsfan/status/1311648303071756290?s=21
😭
Both well done and vomit inducing at the same time with
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 10:45:29 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 01, 2020, 10:46:38 PM
Well, we're one significant step closer to Trevor Lawrence, but I also feel more confident in Darnold. Hopefully, he can build on this when Perriman and Mims get back hopefully next week.
He barely completed 50% of his passes and was erratic in the pocket. I'm not confident in him at all.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 10:48:33 PM
He barely completed 50% of his passes and was erratic in the pocket. I'm not confident in him at all.He's better than he was.
Maybe the bar for Darnold is so low that I consider 5.5 yards per attempt and 55% passing against a mediocre defense to be progress.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 01, 2020, 10:49:43 PM
He's better than he was.
How?
The 46 yard TD run was a fluke play. It was awesome, but it's a fluke play.
He's still missing open guys. He's still taking bad sacks.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 10:51:14 PM
How?He didn't have any bad mistakes other than one or two sacks (and one he fell down on). He didn't bail out of the pocket as much as he has in previous weeks. Yes, the run was fluky, but he also picked up several other first downs with his legs.
The 46 yard TD run was a fluke play. It was awesome, but it's a fluke play.
He's still missing open guys. He's still taking bad sacks.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2020, 10:57:39 PM
How?
The 46 yard TD run was a fluke play. It was awesome, but it's a fluke play.
He's still missing open guys. He's still taking bad sacks.
He definitely played better tonight.
Are we really getting on him for having a low YPA? Gase’s play designs have the WRs running 3 yards every time
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 10:58:51 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 01, 2020, 11:04:03 PM
He definitely played better tonight.
Are we really getting on him for having a low YPA? Gase’s play designs have the WRs running 3 yards every time
I thought he was better. No turnovers was a small miracle, got lucky a couple times.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 01, 2020, 11:05:56 PM
Are we really getting on him for having a low YPA? Gase’s play designs have the WRs running 3 yards every time
No.
I'm getting on him for taking terrible sacks and missing open targets on a consistent basis. Drive killing mistakes every week.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 01, 2020, 11:08:02 PM
No.
I'm getting on him for taking terrible sacks and missing open targets on a consistent basis. Drive killing mistakes every week.
Yeah, we're not getting in the end zone. Five FGs is too many, a lot of those shots at the end zone were covered and had no chance.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2020, 11:15:33 PM
No.
I'm getting on him for taking terrible sacks and missing open targets on a consistent basis. Drive killing mistakes every week.
Drive killing is getting to the red zone and then handing off to Frank Gore 2 times in a row. Twice
Post by: insanity on October 01, 2020, 11:17:09 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 11:19:35 PM
I'm not happy about how hesitant he is but I'm hoping this somewhat decent time in the pocket helps build his confidence. At the end of the day I think we'll still need to find a new qbIt's trending that way. We are the favorites for the #1 pick, and it's hard to put up numbers like Darnold has for 3 years and get a 4th year unchallenged.
I would like to see him with a new coaching staff, but just like every other position, he can be replaced if we find an upgrade, and Lawrence is an upgrade as a prospect.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 01, 2020, 11:22:56 PM
Drive killing is getting to the red zone and then handing off to Frank Gore 2 times in a row. Twice
How about throwing the wheel route to Gore when another receiver is wide open in the endzone?
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 01, 2020, 11:31:25 PM
Missing Hogan on the crossing pattern in favor of the wheel route also cost us 4 points.
The good plays have always been good. The flashes have always been there. But there aren't enough flashes and there are too many bad plays.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 01, 2020, 11:33:30 PM
Post by: reuben on October 01, 2020, 11:43:26 PM
I'm not happy about how hesitant he is but I'm hoping this somewhat decent time in the pocket helps build his confidence. At the end of the day I think we'll still need to find a new qb
Is this sarcasm?
Post by: Coach K on October 02, 2020, 03:22:14 AM
Let's go ruin Lawrence now
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Post by: Libero_2 on October 02, 2020, 05:47:21 AM
Yeah . Hes ruined . Whether it was inevitable or the obvious mismanagement , its hard to deny .
Let's go ruin Lawrence now
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What’s unbelievably awful right now is that we are on pace to have the best strength of schedule in the league, meaning we will lose basically any tiebreaker for the #1 pick. Which means to get it we have to be one game worse than everybody else. Given the number of terrible football teams this year 1-15 or worse might have to be our record to get Lawrence.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 07:25:50 AM
How about throwing the wheel route to Gore when another receiver is wide open in the endzone?
Why is a wheel route to Frank Gore in the end zone Sam’s first designed read?
Hogan was open for the first down
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2020, 07:36:18 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 07:38:10 AM
Can we calm down with "ruined"? He's 23 and running for his life, looked like he had a career threatening injury for a while last night. He has no blocking, no weapons and terrible coaching.
Gase has 12 more weeks to complete the "ruining".
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 02, 2020, 07:46:16 AM
Can we calm down with "ruined"? He's 23 and running for his life, looked like he had a career threatening injury for a while last night. He has no blocking, no weapons and terrible coaching.
Which would be the cause of the ruining
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 07:51:20 AM
Why is a wheel route to Frank Gore in the end zone Sam’s first designed read?
Hogan was open for the first down
Why can’t a third year QB go through his progressions?
Post by: insanity on October 02, 2020, 07:54:22 AM
Why can’t a third year QB go through his progressions?Because gase beats him if he does
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 07:55:07 AM
Why can’t a third year QB go through his progressions?
I’d like to rewatch the play, but I would guess that he got rid of the ball too early for fear of getting blasted in the derriere by Bradley Chubb
I probably wouldn’t be complaining if we didn’t run Gore into the line for 1st and 2nd down. No issues if that wheel route is on one of those downs
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 02, 2020, 07:56:35 AM
But the awful decision-making that leads to lost yardage on avoidable sacks is all on Darnold
I think there's enough there to salvage, but if this team is in position to draft Lawrence, and I'm pretty confident they will be, Sam's got 12 more games as the QB of the Jets
Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 08:01:36 AM
I’d like to rewatch the play, but I would guess that he got rid of the ball too early for fear of getting blasted in the derriere by Bradley Chubb
I probably wouldn’t be complaining if we didn’t run Gore into the line for 1st and 2nd down. No issues if that wheel route is on one of those downs
Why isn't Perine playing over Gore? That's a bigger issue.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 09:05:35 AM
- Darnold: 11-19, 6,681 yds, 39 TD, 32 Int, 59.8% comp, 6.73 yds/att, 4 TD
- Geno: 12-18, 5,577 yds, 26 TD, 34 Int, 57.1% comp, 6.92 yds/att, 7 TD
- Sanchez: 18-12, 5,735 yds, 29 TD, 33 Int, 54.4% comp, 6.58 yds per att, 6 TD
Darnold doing better in most categories at least. Sanchez and Geno were done after year 4 here.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 02, 2020, 09:16:15 AM
Through 30 games
- Darnold: 11-19, 6,681 yds, 39 TD, 32 Int, 59.8% comp, 6.73 yds/att, 4 TD
- Geno: 12-18, 5,577 yds, 26 TD, 34 Int, 57.1% comp, 6.92 yds/att, 7 TD
- Sanchez: 18-12, 5,735 yds, 29 TD, 33 Int, 54.4% comp, 6.58 yds per att, 6 TD
Darnold doing better in most categories at least. Sanchez and Geno were done after year 4 here.
Could you imagine how much better Sam would be if we didn't hire the absolute worst coach to develop him?
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 02, 2020, 09:17:41 AM
Why isn't Perine playing over Gore? That's a bigger issue.
(https://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20190114/sports/301149862/AR/0/AR-301149862.jpg&updated=201901141709&MaxW=900&maxH=900&noborder&Q=80)
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 09:33:07 AM
Through 30 games(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjVKQkiWkAUKrhP?format=png&name=900x900)
- Darnold: 11-19, 6,681 yds, 39 TD, 32 Int, 59.8% comp, 6.73 yds/att, 4 TD
- Geno: 12-18, 5,577 yds, 26 TD, 34 Int, 57.1% comp, 6.92 yds/att, 7 TD
- Sanchez: 18-12, 5,735 yds, 29 TD, 33 Int, 54.4% comp, 6.58 yds per att, 6 TD
Darnold doing better in most categories at least. Sanchez and Geno were done after year 4 here.
Another comparison.
I'm not giving up on Darnold, but numbers-wise, past precedents say that he's probably not the long-term answer. He's had a worst supporting cast than most, and he's younger than most, so there's more reasons for hope with him, but his production is closer to a bust than a star.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 02, 2020, 09:54:40 AM
Through 30 games
- Darnold: 11-19, 6,681 yds, 39 TD, 32 Int, 59.8% comp, 6.73 yds/att, 4 TD
- Geno: 12-18, 5,577 yds, 26 TD, 34 Int, 57.1% comp, 6.92 yds/att, 7 TD
- Sanchez: 18-12, 5,735 yds, 29 TD, 33 Int, 54.4% comp, 6.58 yds per att, 6 TD
Darnold doing better in most categories at least. Sanchez and Geno were done after year 4 here.
Sanchez was on a way better team--good O line, #1 running game, good coach with a top defense. Even the 2013 team Geno was on was way better than this one in terms of coaching and talent. The fact that Darnold's numbers are close, let alone better, gives you some hope.
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2020, 10:00:01 AM
Sanchez was on a way better team--good O line, #1 running game, good coach with a top defense. Even the 2013 team Geno was on was way better than this one in terms of coaching and talent. The fact that Darnold's numbers are close, let alone better, gives you some hope.
Imagine Sam playing behind Sanchez's line and throwing to the receivers he had. I liked Sanchez a lot but Sam is unquestionably a greater talent than Sanchez ever was.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 10:03:30 AM
Another talented prospect that was failed by his organization...
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 10:07:05 AM
Sanchez was on a way better team--good O line, #1 running game, good coach with a top defense. Even the 2013 team Geno was on was way better than this one in terms of coaching and talent. The fact that Darnold's numbers are close, let alone better, gives you some hope.Don't want to derail this with Geno stuff, but Geno went 8-8 with Jeremy Kerley, David Nelson, washed up Santonio Holmes, Jeff Cumberland and Kellen Winslow. I wouldn't call that better than anything. Crowder is better than anyone on that team. We failed Geno, too, but Geno had a far less likely chance to succeed, and he failed himself, too.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 10:09:27 AM
Don't want to derail this with Geno stuff, but Geno went 8-8 with Jeremy Kerley, David Nelson, washed up Santonio Holmes, Jeff Cumberland and Kellen Winslow. I wouldn't call that better than anything. Crowder is better than anyone on that team. We failed Geno, too, but Geno had a far less likely chance to succeed, and he failed himself, too.
Our defense was also significantly better when Geno was here.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 10:35:17 AM
- Week 1: 15.7 (awful)
- Week 2: 78.9 (very good)
- Week 3: 7.8 (awful)
- Week 4: 78.4 (very good)
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 10:36:06 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 10:37:23 AM
QBR is a useless measureIt's one of a number of tools to evaluate a quarterback. I don't think you can really judge a QB's full value with 1 stat, but this kind of matches the eye test. I thought he's played 2 good games and 2 atrocious games.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 10:47:24 AM
It's one of a number of tools to evaluate a quarterback. I don't think you can really judge a QB's full value with 1 stat, but this kind of matches the eye test. I thought he's played 2 good games and 2 atrocious games.
If he can keep having “good” games, he would be in the upper 3rd of the league in QBr.
A QBr of 78 would be ranked 6th.
Right now he’s in the bottom 3rd - but ahead of Tom Brady, Kirk Cousins, Carson Wentz, and Haskins.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 10:56:15 AM
If he can keep having “good” games, he would be in the upper 3rd of the league in QBr.Right, but he doesn't. And that's the problem.
A QBr of 78 would be ranked 6th.
Right now he’s in the bottom 3rd - but ahead of Tom Brady, Kirk Cousins, Carson Wentz, and Haskins.
Consistency is his #1 problem, from snap to snap and from game to game. Whether or not you think QBR is relevant, this shows how inconsistent he is.
He wasn't perfect last night, but he was good enough. Same with the 49ers game. Neither of those games were great statistically, but he played well, and this helps back that up.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 11:02:20 AM
Right, but he doesn't. And that's the problem.
Consistency is his #1 problem, from snap to snap and from game to game. Whether or not you think QBR is relevant, this shows how inconsistent he is.
He wasn't perfect last night, but he was good enough. Same with the 49ers game. Neither of those games were great statistically, but he played well, and this helps back that up.
Darnold said this himself after last game.
Everyone knows he is inconsistent. Consistency isn’t some unattainable goal though.
He’s shown the ability to play well, consistently, in the last month of 2018 and the last 8-9 games of 2019.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 02, 2020, 11:04:08 AM
but he played well
No, he didn't. He didn't turn the ball over. That's it. If he didn't have that fluke TD run, no one would be saying this.
He was average at best. The scheme limits him a lot, but he always leaves a ton of yardage and points on the field with poor accuracy and decision making.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 02, 2020, 12:20:52 PM
even not going through his progressions any more, which is something he was doing even in college....why is that happening? he is literally rushed in every sense of the word. pass rushers get into the backfield like nothing, he has no time to scan/analyze/go through progressions, he is literally out there running for his life and trying to stay alive while being hounded by monstrous DEs, which is why he has to try for the initial option even if somebody else on the field is open
there really was no excuse for how long he held on to the ball for the sack that nearly killed him, though. he just held onto it for too long when cager was open. the only thing i could think of that would explain the delay was that cager seemed to be running directly into a zone where there was another stationary WR with a DB/defender right there, so maybe that made darnold averse to throwing it there? but really no excuse, and it nearly cost him his season
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 02, 2020, 12:22:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 12:53:25 PM
What... the freak is this..
Post by: Laxin on October 02, 2020, 01:00:41 PM
https://twitter.com/twooles/status/1312046045715628037?s=21
What... the freak is this..
This is hard to look at...
Post by: MBGreen on October 02, 2020, 01:07:40 PM
https://twitter.com/twooles/status/1312046045715628037?s=21
What... the freak is this..
Brilliant Offensive Mind coaching
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 02, 2020, 01:25:29 PM
https://twitter.com/twooles/status/1312046045715628037?s=21
What... the freak is this..
Why did Sam go from huge smile to looking like Gase told him he spied him fondling a puppy?
Gase needs to freaking go. Right now
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 02, 2020, 04:01:29 PM
Why did Sam go from huge smile to looking like Gase told him he spied him fondling a puppy?
Gase needs to freaking go. Right now
gase told him he did not run his play the way he wanted him to
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 04:16:04 PM
gase told him he did not run his play the way he wanted him to
Probably this
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2020, 04:18:30 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 04:27:50 PM
https://twitter.com/calijets/status/1312097732585160705?s=21Josh Allen for sure
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 02, 2020, 07:39:14 PM
https://twitter.com/calijets/status/1312097732585160705?s=21
What do any of them know?
Post by: insanity on October 03, 2020, 10:24:33 AM
Sam never had great footwork, but he was calm in the pocket and always had a strong base.
He mental game has regressed so much
https://youtu.be/UABOeJxexNk
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 03, 2020, 02:58:06 PM
Went back to watch Sam's rookie year to check on his footwork and willingness to stay in the pocket.
Sam never had great footwork, but he was calm in the pocket and always had a strong base.
He mental game has regressed so much
https://youtu.be/UABOeJxexNk
Yeah I remember Mark Sanchez.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 11, 2020, 10:34:15 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 12, 2020, 12:56:28 AM
https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1315390826587975680?s=21
saw this before. given the close links between DJ and JD it made me wonder whether Douglas feels the same way about Sam.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 12, 2020, 05:45:23 AM
https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1315390826587975680?s=21
Given how this board is split (and while we may be assholes, we collectively are a hell of a lot smarter than the average Jets fans) I could easily see Douglas believing this whole heartedly.
I can also say that he has to realize he would be insane to not take Lawrence if we do end up at 1. I’ve been steadfast in my belief that if we are at 2, I think the move is to keep Sam and build around him. Fields (to my untrained eye) doesn’t seem to be a good enough prospect for me to give away Sam when we can use all the assets we’ve collected to build one hell of an offensive unit
Post by: Johnny English on October 13, 2020, 11:54:20 AM
"When I first met Sam's parents in the first preseason game [last August], I promised them I was going to do everything in my power to take care of Sam with protection and playmakers."
Thanks for all your hard work there Joe, you're doing a bang up job. I'm sure you're the first person on their Christmas card list.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 12:22:19 PM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 13, 2020, 12:39:35 PM
If I'm Sam, I wouldn't play another down this year.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2020, 12:46:04 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 13, 2020, 01:07:10 PM
Why do you guys think that Le'Veon Bell is any good? He has been buns for this team. Trade him for an 8th rounder.
Remember last season when you said we should cool it on the Fire Gase talk because no one could win with this team? Well...
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2020, 01:11:43 PM
Remember last season when you said we should cool it on the Fire Gase talk because no one could win with this team? Well...
I still feel the same way about winning with this team. We have the worst roster in the league with Le'Veon Bell.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 09:57:33 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
@ConnorJRogers
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2h
More I ask around, the more people say the #Colts are the most obvious landing spot for Darnold
Trading Darnold at the deadline before the end of the season would be the cherry on this excrement sundae of a season.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 15, 2020, 01:15:19 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 01:17:44 PM
We better be damn sure we're getting Lawrence before we do that. Like after the draft and he's here.
I threw out conventional wisdom with this team when they hired Adam Gase.
I'm still not convinced they're going to fire Gase until it actually happens.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 15, 2020, 01:20:05 PM
Connor Rogers
@ConnorJRogers
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2h
More I ask around, the more people say the #Colts are the most obvious landing spot for Darnold
Trading Darnold at the deadline before the end of the season would be the cherry on this excrement sundae of a season.
To give up on Sam before we have Lawrence in hand... I would want a huge package, and no way somebody gives us 2 firsts for Sam right now.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 01:23:47 PM
To give up on Sam before we have Lawrence in hand... I would want a huge package, and no way somebody gives us 2 firsts for Sam right now.
the rumor is a 2nd with a conditional 3rd. Don't get your hopes up.
Sam's value is in the crapper right now thanks to Gase/Loggains.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 15, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
I would prefer to keep evaluating him, but if he struggles for 8 more games or can't get back on the field, a 2nd-rounder might be the best we can get. If we get the #1 pick, our leverage goes away, especially if Darnold doesn't play or doesn't play well.
If we are to trade Darnold, it's because we think that Justin Fields/Trey Lance are a better option than Sam Darnold going forward. Because you can't just count on the #1 pick.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 15, 2020, 01:29:48 PM
He's never played 16 games in a season. He hasn't gotten better. I don't know how so many have so much confidence in him becoming a franchise quarterback.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 01:29:57 PM
If Joe Douglas doesn't think Darnold can play, trading him before he completely proves that makes sense.
I would prefer to keep evaluating him, but if he struggles for 8 more games or can't get back on the field, a 2nd-rounder might be the best we can get. If we get the #1 pick, our leverage goes away, especially if Darnold doesn't play or doesn't play well.
If we are to trade Darnold, it's because we think that Justin Fields/Trey Lance are a better option than Sam Darnold going forward. Because you can't just count on the #1 pick.
Nobody can play in this garbage offense. Tannehill can testify to that.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 15, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
Tannehill can testify to that.
Tannehill used to kick our derriere when he was healthy.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 01:31:02 PM
You guys have just as many excuses for Sam as you think we do for Adam Gase.
He's never played 16 games in a season. He hasn't gotten better. I don't know how so many have so much confidence in him becoming a franchise quarterback.
jesus....this regime freaking ruined him. He wasn't this bad under Bowles/Bates, no matter how many times you tell yourself otherwise.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 01:31:34 PM
Tannehill used to kick our derriere when he was healthy.
Our asses have been kicked by everyone since 2015
Post by: Heismanberg on October 15, 2020, 01:32:08 PM
He wasn't this bad under Bowles/Bates, no matter how many times you tell yourself otherwise.
He was the same player then as he is now. That's a huge problem.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 01:33:34 PM
He was the same player then as he is now. That's a huge problem.
Except he was trending upward at the end of year 1....and crashed/burned when Gase took over.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 15, 2020, 01:34:13 PM
Except he was trending upward at the end of year 1...
Keep telling yourself that.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 01:35:46 PM
Keep telling yourself that.
sorry you don't see the facts. That's a "you" problem.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 15, 2020, 01:43:10 PM
Our asses have been kicked by everyone since 2015
#KeepRex
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 15, 2020, 01:53:53 PM
jesus....this regime freaking ruined him. He wasn't this bad under Bowles/Bates, no matter how many times you tell yourself otherwise.
DING DING DING winner winner chicken dinner.
Post by: reuben on October 15, 2020, 01:54:21 PM
Consider that Fields is a vegan before answering.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 15, 2020, 02:20:20 PM
You guys have just as many excuses for Sam as you think we do for Adam Gase.
He's never played 16 games in a season. He hasn't gotten better. I don't know how so many have so much confidence in him becoming a franchise quarterback.
No one gets better or plays well under Gase, unless your name is Peyton Manning...and let's be real, all Gase did was hold a clip board on the side line and STFU. It was Manning's show.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 02:24:18 PM
Lawrence over Darnold is a no-brainer. Who's taking Justin Fields over Darnold?
Consider that Fields is a vegan before answering.
Fields can take his tofu hotdogs and freak off
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 02:25:43 PM
"hurrr durrr gaiz, Darnold wuz always dat bad...duuuurrr"
freak outta here.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 15, 2020, 04:02:27 PM
Sam is the same QB he was as a rookie, and he was mediocre as a rookie. He's been a below average QB all 3 years.
He hasn't had a lot of help around him. But he also hasn't elevated anything around him other than that Packers game.
It's easy to blame Gase for everything. Even if you think Gase deserves 99% of the blame for what's going on with Sam, is it going to be fixed with a new regime? Is he going to stop making stupid decisions? Is he going to stay on the field? Is he going to start reading defenses? Is he going to start anticipating throws rather than waiting for guys to get open?
I'm not giving up on Sam, but we can't blame everyone for his failures. You can only hold on to his draft prospect profile for so long. If Sam were a 3rd-round pick instead of the 3rd overall pick, we look at him through a completely different lens.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 04:05:56 PM
Cool, glad you guys are happy that there is no tangible difference between Joe Flacco and Sam Darnold.Its easy to blame Gase because guess what...it's his fault.
Sam is the same QB he was as a rookie, and he was mediocre as a rookie. He's been a below average QB all 3 years.
He hasn't had a lot of help around him. But he also hasn't elevated anything around him other than that Packers game.
It's easy to blame Gase for everything. Even if you think Gase deserves 99% of the blame for what's going on with Sam, is it going to be fixed with a new regime? Is he going to stop making stupid decisions? Is he going to stay on the field? Is he going to start reading defenses? Is he going to start anticipating throws rather than waiting for guys to get open?
I'm not giving up on Sam, but we can't blame everyone for his failures. You can only hold on to his draft prospect profile for so long. If Sam were a 3rd-round pick instead of the 3rd overall pick, we look at him through a completely different lens.
Gase was hired to develop Darnold...name one freaking QB that Gase has developed successfully? I'll wait....
Darnold isn't perfect....but this franchise failed him in every way possible.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 15, 2020, 04:14:44 PM
gase was all 'i can't wait to get in there i've never had a guy this young!' when he was hired here
darnold has totally gone backwards under gase. we've totally failed him and he's been out there on his own, on the field and off
it's obvious gase doesn't do much 'coaching' to anybody on this team be it to darnold or otherwise, and darnold didn't even have the benefit of a seasoned vet in his ear after mccown left. last year he had semen and luke falk/david fales. this year he has flacco, but the damage has been done
Post by: bojanglesman on October 15, 2020, 04:21:59 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 04:28:58 PM
All that matters now is what Darnold is, not who ruined him or what happened. Can he improve or is he basically this way from now on. I don't know, but there's no sense in talking about the past seeing that Gase will be gone.It's relevant because there's people here saying Sam was never good....which is asinine.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 15, 2020, 04:30:26 PM
gase was HIRED TO DEVELOP DARNOLD LOLAnd that's why Gase will get fired.
gase was all 'i can't wait to get in there i've never had a guy this young!' when he was hired here
darnold has totally gone backwards under gase. we've totally failed him and he's been out there on his own, on the field and off
it's obvious gase doesn't do much 'coaching' to anybody on this team be it to darnold or otherwise, and darnold didn't even have the benefit of a seasoned vet in his ear after mccown left. last year he had semen and luke falk/david fales. this year he has flacco, but the damage has been done
Gase was here to develop Darnold. That hasn't worked out.
Maybe Darnold wasn't going to develop no matter who we had at coach, but regardless, Gase hasn't done a good job with Darnold, and he's done a terrible job elsewhere.
I don't think he's really gone backwards. He's the same QB he was when Gase inherited him. More bad than good, but occasionally he makes off-script plays that make you think he's going to be a star. That's fine as a rookie. Not so much in year 3.
Post by: insanity on October 15, 2020, 04:41:58 PM
All that matters now is what Darnold is, not who ruined him or what happened. Can he improve or is he basically this way from now on. I don't know, but there's no sense in talking about the past seeing that Gase will be gone.This.
Sam was good with great potential, but that holds zero weight right now
Post by: Libero_2 on October 15, 2020, 05:26:13 PM
If we have Trevor in hand, I am trading Sam for as much as I can get.
Come Week 8 unless we have a 2-3 game lead on the #1 pick I'm not trading Sam. I'm not being forced to take Fields or Lance because we accidentally didn't get #1. Lance IMO is not ready to show up day 1 and be the guy. Fields could go either way and watching him play this year will go a long way towards helping me be comfortable with it, but right now I am not.
In my opinion there will be negligible difference in his trade value before week 8 and after the season. Guys will want him for what he could be, and everyone will say 'if I can just undo what Gase did...' the same way in both situations.
If someone wants to blow my doors off with a big offer at the deadline, that's fine. But i'm not throwing Sam away for peanuts until we are certain we have Lawrence on lock down.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2020, 05:33:43 PM
Aat this point, if the front office doesn't think he's a part of the future of the team then they should get what they can for him when his value is at it's peak. It's not like having the #2 overall pick is going to make him a better player.
Post by: Johnny English on October 15, 2020, 05:36:37 PM
they should get what they can for him when his value is at it's peak
His value is literally lower than it has ever been right now, and another 8 games won't reduce it. 8 games without that queynte in charge might very well improve it though.
Talk of trading Darnold at this deadline so we can turn to a veteran coming off an injury and a 4th round pick who by all accounts has shown absolutely nothing is absolute freaking insanity. This obsession with collecting draft picks so you can all jerk yourselves off in April over the next set of failures waiting to happen is just bizarre.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 15, 2020, 05:43:50 PM
His value is literally lower than it has ever been right now, and another 8 games won't reduce it. 8 games without that queynte in charge might very well improve it though.
Talk of trading Darnold at this deadline so we can turn to a veteran coming off an injury and a 4th round pick who by all accounts has shown absolutely nothing is absolute freaking insanity. This obsession with collecting draft picks so you can all jerk yourselves off in April over the next set of failures waiting to happen is just bizarre.
All I'm talking about doing is delaying the jerking.
That and giving Sam a chance to prove it with a different play caller. But your point is absolutely true, Sam's value cannot be lower than it is right now. The only way it gets lower is another injury. But there are several ways it can improve. Most likely it stays exactly where it is now. No one is trading for him today to start the rest of the year. The only exception is a team who believes they are on a superbowl run, and their starter gets hurt and they have no backup to speak of. And I'm struggling to think of a team that fits there. Indy? New Orleans? Pitt? I just have doubts that fits even in a major injury situation to a contender anyways.
It's a much better play to make a move in March if we are really going to make one.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2020, 05:43:58 PM
His value is literally lower than it has ever been right now, and another 8 games won't reduce it. 8 games without that queynte in charge might very well improve it though.
Talk of trading Darnold at this deadline so we can turn to a veteran coming off an injury and a 4th round pick who by all accounts has shown absolutely nothing is absolute freaking insanity. This obsession with collecting draft picks so you can all jerk yourselves off in April over the next set of failures waiting to happen is just bizarre.
You were the one jerking off about the veteran coming off injury.
I'm not saying his value is high now - in fact it is nothing if he can't pass a physical with an AC injury - but if he isn't the guy then why would we keep him just because his replacement isn't Trevor Lawrence?
Keep him or not, we'll need a stop-gap veteran next season since he, once again, was unable to play 16 games.
Post by: Johnny English on October 15, 2020, 05:48:46 PM
You were the one jerking off about the veteran coming off injury.
I'm not saying his value is high now - in fact it is nothing if he can't pass a physical with an AC injury - but if he isn't the guy then why would we keep him just because his replacement isn't Trevor Lawrence?
Keep him or not, we'll need a stop-gap veteran next season since he, once again, was unable to play 16 games.
I was excited about the veteran coming in to help Sam, not to replace him. I think there's a lot about Flacco's game that Sam could learn from. I also think it's completely mad to consider ditching him halfway this third season when we've only ever seen him play for Bates and Gase/Loggains.
Just writing that last sentence made me question every bit of it on so many levels. How have we so spectacularly failed him? Are we sure the Johnsons aren't actually Giants fans?
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2020, 05:50:19 PM
I was excited about the veteran coming in to help Sam, not to replace him. I think there's a lot about Flacco's game that Sam could learn from. I also think it's completely mad to consider ditching him halfway this third season when we've only ever seen him play for Bates and Gase/Loggains.
Just writing that last sentence made me question every bit of it on so many levels. How have we so spectacularly failed him? Are we sure the Johnsons aren't actually Giants fans?
I think they're just idiots.
Then again I wanted Josh Rosen so what the freak do I know?
If we're tanking on the season then it really doesn't matter who is stepping in there, and if the team is as bad at dealing with QB shoulder injuries as they are at LT shoulder injuries then he's probably going to miss more time anyway.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 15, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
This is purely about whether it makes any sense to trade Sam today vs. once the season ends. I lose more faith in Sam by the day. While I personally blame Gase for it, there is very little doubt that Sam is not going to reach his potential ceiling coming out.Agree with this.
If we have Trevor in hand, I am trading Sam for as much as I can get.
Come Week 8 unless we have a 2-3 game lead on the #1 pick I'm not trading Sam. I'm not being forced to take Fields or Lance because we accidentally didn't get #1. Lance IMO is not ready to show up day 1 and be the guy. Fields could go either way and watching him play this year will go a long way towards helping me be comfortable with it, but right now I am not.
In my opinion there will be negligible difference in his trade value before week 8 and after the season. Guys will want him for what he could be, and everyone will say 'if I can just undo what Gase did...' the same way in both situations.
If someone wants to blow my doors off with a big offer at the deadline, that's fine. But i'm not throwing Sam away for peanuts until we are certain we have Lawrence on lock down.
If you trade Darnold now, it's because the Jets like multiple QBs. You can't just count on Lawrence. They need to like Fields or Lance a lot, too. Or they really must have lost faith in Darnold where they want to trade him before his value tanks further.
And make no mistake, his value can certainly tank further. Or it could get better. 8 more games can absolutely reduce Darnold's value - I don't know how you can say otherwise. Or they can make Darnold look like the clear long-term answer and make his value increase.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 15, 2020, 07:21:42 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 15, 2020, 07:22:13 PM
Kyle Trask SZN
Delete this.
Post by: MBGreen on October 15, 2020, 07:27:48 PM
Kyle Trask SZNVeto
Post by: bojanglesman on October 16, 2020, 09:58:55 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
I see the way this train is going.
Right up puck's bum
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 18, 2020, 08:27:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ-mSDg1gsA
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2020, 08:32:11 PM
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ-mSDg1gsA
We should give up on this guy because the rest of the organization sucks
Post by: Johnny English on October 18, 2020, 08:34:44 PM
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ-mSDg1gsA
What you're failing to realise is that Sam was never any good and a lot of this is in fact his fault and the next 21 year old saviour who has never seen an NFL snap is going to change everything.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 18, 2020, 08:37:09 PM
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ-mSDg1gsA
I'm completely broken
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2020, 08:40:50 PM
Look at all the play action. LOOK AT ALL OF THE ROLLOUTS. ONE OF OUR QBS BEST ATTRIBUTES. The TE used effectively. Look at the wide open guys schemed open (Robbie Anderson TD play was a masterpiece)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 18, 2020, 08:41:07 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 18, 2020, 08:42:23 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 18, 2020, 08:47:25 PM
he's not. again i will grant that that is another short youtube clip highlighting his best plays, and i will also grant that his footwork, even in that video, hasn't always been the greatest.
but the QB's then and now are night and day. confidence in his throws, finding/hitting his reads, releasing the ball quickly to the open guy. look at him standing tall and not bailing when he had time in the pocket. even the plays where he has to get creative and scramble aren't as messy as they are nowadays.
i feel so bad for sam. maccagnan/gase/we have literally fcked him and have put his career as a successful QB in jeopardy. i want the best for this organization but this is the type of excrement that i show to lawrence if i'm on his management team and we have the first pick next year. we fcked this kid up bad
it's looking more and more like sam's time here will be done in the near future. i just hope he's able to find some sort of success a few years down the line when he is away from this mess the way others have after leaving gase
Post by: Libero_2 on October 18, 2020, 09:26:26 PM
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ-mSDg1gsA
Despite the fact that offense was not good, we replaced I believe 9 of those guys from the starting group two years ago (Darnold and Herndon remain), and somehow got WORSE in every aspect, including the two rookies who were the star of that particular highlight reel
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2020, 07:25:01 AM
Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't Sam.
I just wonder what it could possibly be?
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 07:26:01 AM
Flacco took, what, a 23 yard sack yesterday?
Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't Sam.
I just wonder what it could possibly be?
our Quality Control coach obviously hasn't been pulling his weight.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2020, 07:27:03 AM
Post by: Laxin on October 19, 2020, 07:27:33 AM
Flacco took, what, a 23 yard sack yesterday?
Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't Sam.
I just wonder what it could possibly be?
I think the majority of Jets fans, if not all, think Sam is not the problem here.
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2020, 07:28:26 AM
Flacco took, what, a 23 yard sack yesterday?
Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't Sam.
I just wonder what it could possibly be?
28 yards. And yes, the three seconds in the pocket with no one open before being flushed out and having to desperately try and extend the play in the hope that a window opens while you're trying to not die was a familiar sight. The only difference is that Flacco is an experienced vet who is far quicker to throw it into touch, whereas Sam will try and make something happen which on occasion backfires but does at least demonstrate a willingness to try and win.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 07:28:36 AM
I think the majority of all Jets fans, if not all, think Sam is not the problem here.
I never thought Sam was the problem. His career is just in the wrong hands.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 19, 2020, 07:44:42 AM
I never thought Sam was the problem. His career is just in the wrong hands.
He's 23, plenty of time to save him.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 07:49:08 AM
He's 23, plenty of time to save him.
won't matter...if we land that #1 pick
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2020, 07:53:14 AM
won't matter...if we land that #1 pick
I hope that Lawrence either changes his mind and stays, or does his cruciate in the National Championship Game. Just so that this team, and you and everyone else thinking that this season somehow deserves yet another reboot with yet another great white hope, have to face up to doing things the right way and actually building around Sam.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 07:56:24 AM
I hope that Lawrence either changes his mind and stays, or does his cruciate in the National Championship Game. Just so that this team, and you and everyone else thinking that this season somehow deserves yet another reboot with yet another great white hope, have to face up to doing things the right way and actually building around Sam.
Lawrence will be a Jet next year....relax. Have a pepsi.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2020, 07:57:36 AM
I hope that Lawrence either changes his mind and stays, or does his cruciate in the National Championship Game. Just so that this team, and you and everyone else thinking that this season somehow deserves yet another reboot with yet another great white hope, have to face up to doing things the right way and actually building around Sam.We will get the number 2 pick and Darnold will tear his ACL. You know this team better than that.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 08:02:56 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2020, 08:07:09 AM
Imagine rooting against getting one of the best quarterback prospects ever.
I don't give a freak about Lawrence. I want us to actually develop the one we have.
Thinking that Lawrence would change anything is delusional. Right now I'm not even convinced that it won't be Gase working with him.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 08:09:16 AM
I don't give a freak about Lawrence. I want us to actually develop the one we have.
Thinking that Lawrence would change anything is delusional. Right now I'm not even convinced that it won't be Gase working with him.
Worst.Take.Ever
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 08:09:58 AM
Thinking that Lawrence would change anything is delusional.
Trevor Lawrence could change everything. The Jets job, even with all of the picks and cap space, is one of the least desirable in the NFL right now. Lawrence takes the job from least desirable to most desirable.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 08:10:41 AM
Trevor Lawrence could change everything. The Jets job, even with all of the picks and cap space, is one of the least desirable in the NFL right now. Lawrence takes the job from least desirable to most desirable.
JE wants Todd Monken to come here and save Sam
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 08:11:37 AM
Please develop this broken quarterback prospect with the worst roster in the league. It will be fun.
Thank you,
Woody and Christopher
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2020, 08:19:06 AM
Future NFL Head Coaches,
Please develop this broken quarterback prospect with the worst roster in the league. It will be fun.
P.S. Free titties
Thank you,
Woody and Christopher
Improved your post.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 08:21:51 AM
Improved your post.
that improvement should attract big game fish like Sean Payton.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 08:24:26 AM
that improvement should attract big game fish like Sean Payton.
It will attract the cokehead offensive line coach that worked with Adam Gase.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2020, 08:25:43 AM
It will attract the cokehead offensive line coach that worked with Adam Gase.Definite improvement, just get him some coke.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 08:37:51 AM
It will attract the cokehead offensive line coach that worked with Adam Gase.
we all should be doing a few lines after that game yesterday
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2020, 09:07:29 AM
Maccagnan has set them to team up to be built around the quarterback now that we have one.
We still have our first rounder next year and a ton of cap space to keep putting pieces around him.
We really need to build around Darnold properly. The FO can't freak this up like they did with Sanchez. I have full trust in Duff to complete this task though.
So freaking pumped.
That was two and a half years ago. But obviously things will be so different this time....
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 09:08:46 AM
He clearly did not have a plan after he traded up to #3. He probably would've taken Josh Rosen if Sam Darnold had gone to Cleveland at #1.
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2020, 09:09:22 AM
Is Maccagnan still the Jets GM?
Right, because his replacement is instilling such confidence in his ability and willingness to build around a QB.
Post by: reuben on October 19, 2020, 09:09:30 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 09:10:09 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2020, 09:11:06 AM
Post by: reuben on October 19, 2020, 09:11:44 AM
I have full trust in Joe Duffglas
delete this
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2020, 09:14:20 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2020, 09:15:57 AM
Joe Douglas didn't draft an All-Pro in every round. What a failure.
He drafted an IR list, a punter, and a promising LT who should be on the IR list. He deserves credit for the Adams trade but that is about it.
He’s not a failure but he by no means deserves praise or trust. Not yet.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 09:26:41 AM
He drafted an IR list, a punter, and a promising LT who should be on the IR list. He deserves credit for the Adams trade but that is about it.
He’s not a failure but he by no means deserves praise or trust. Not yet.
I'm not holding injuries against a general manager.
Denzel Mims was never hurt at Baylor.
The only injured player that he drafted was Bryce Hall, who was a second round prospect at worst before the ankle injury. It made sense to use a pick on him.
Post by: Laxin on October 19, 2020, 09:48:21 AM
I'm not holding injuries against a general manager.
Denzel Mims was never hurt at Baylor.
The only injured player that he drafted was Bryce Hall, who was a second round prospect at worst before the ankle injury. It made sense to use a pick on him.
This off-season was also not even close to normal with preseason games cut, changes made to TC and just an overall shortened offseason. I don’t know the numbers, but I’d be surprised if injuries across the league weren’t up by a significant amount.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 09:50:57 AM
And there is no way in hell he'd be playing at the same level here.
Joe Brady is working wonders in Carolina just like he did at LSU.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2020, 10:08:27 AM
I'm not holding injuries against a general manager.
Denzel Mims was never hurt at Baylor.
So are you saying that you have never blamed Maccagnan for Devin Smith, who was never injured at OSU? Be aware before you answer this question that the search function on this site works.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 10:10:25 AM
Let me give you a couple of examples of why I'm not interested in this hype about tanking for Lawrence:
That was two and a half years ago. But obviously things will be so different this time....
Gase ruined everything. Not my fault.
Time for a shift in philosophy.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 19, 2020, 10:17:23 AM
He drafted an IR list, a punter, and a promising LT who should be on the IR list. He deserves credit for the Adams trade but that is about it.
He’s not a failure but he by no means deserves praise or trust. Not yet.
Our punter tho...
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 10:18:35 AM
So are you saying that you have never blamed Maccagnan for Devin Smith, who was never injured at OSU? Be aware before you answer this question that the search function on this site works.
No, it wasn't Maccagnan's fault that Devin Smith got hurt. It was his fault that he drafting ArDarius Stewart and Chad Hansen.
A scout that couldn't scout.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2020, 10:25:21 AM
Our punter tho...
What? I know he's good.
I'm not holding injuries against a general manager.
Denzel Mims was never hurt at Baylor.
The only injured player that he drafted was Bryce Hall, who was a second round prospect at worst before the ankle injury. It made sense to use a pick on him.
I'm not holding it against him, but there is not much that can give him a positive evaluation at this point.
Signing Fant: Good
Letting RA walk: Bad
IOL signings: Mixed
Signing Dessir: LMAO
Draft:
Punter: Good
Starting LT, good if he recovers
The rest: ? ? ? ? ? ?
Trades: He got a great bundle for Adams but I'm not crowning him for it until the picks turn into something. If we get two busts out of it all he did was get rid of a player who didn't want to be here so there's something there but not much.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2020, 10:58:11 AM
Signing Fant: Good
Letting RA walk: Bad
IOL signings: Mixed
Signing Dessir: LMAO
We don't know if he's a good general manager yet. I'm not just blaming him for this mess.
It's not like any other corner was out there for us to sign. Desir was a bandaid signing, much like most of JD's signings. He's being smart with the contracts he hands out, which could not be said about what Maccagnan was doing. He's not tying himself to any of these guys, even George Fant.
Our offensive line has not been that bad. It's certainly better than last year's. The scheme and the quarterback play have hurt the pass protection more than anything.
I hated to see Robby Anderson leave and it stings to see him doing well, but he wasn't going to help this team that much. It was a lost season no matter what.
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Starting LT, good if he recovers
He was limited in practice this week and almost played on Sunday. He's not dead...
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2020, 11:09:51 AM
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He was limited in practice this week and almost played on Sunday. He's not dead...
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 11:15:57 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2020, 12:39:47 PM
We don't know if he's a good general manager yet. I'm not just blaming him for this mess.
It's not like any other corner was out there for us to sign. Desir was a bandaid signing, much like most of JD's signings. He's being smart with the contracts he hands out, which could not be said about what Maccagnan was doing. He's not tying himself to any of these guys, even George Fant.
Our offensive line has not been that bad. It's certainly better than last year's. The scheme and the quarterback play have hurt the pass protection more than anything.
I hated to see Robby Anderson leave and it stings to see him doing well, but he wasn't going to help this team that much. It was a lost season no matter what.
He was limited in practice this week and almost played on Sunday. He's not dead...
He put together part of this mess. He gets to own part of it. That's all I'm saying.
If you can follow the dots you'll see the only thing I'm saying is that we don't know how good of a GM he is, too. I'm not saying he's a complete POS and should be fired (that's JE).
I'm just not going to go all in on trusting him to work out after late career Tannenbaum, Idzik, and Maccagnan. He starts showing some sustained success and then I'll start praising him for good decisions.
A capsule injury for a LT who mostly relied on his strength over his technique is pretty freaking disconcerting right now and as for him almost playing this week: we've already seen this coaching and training staff prove that they don't know how to handle his injury already. I don't trust Gase's opinion of how ready he could be to play for a second.
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2020, 01:14:31 PM
He put together part of this mess. He gets to own part of it. That's all I'm saying.
If you can follow the dots you'll see the only thing I'm saying is that we don't know how good of a GM he is, too. I'm not saying he's a complete POS and should be fired (that's JE).
I'm actually not saying that at all. I'm very much aligned with what you're saying, I'm just saying that I'm so far unimpressed by him and that if he were to go as part of the overhaul I wouldn't lose any sleep about it.
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2020, 01:25:25 PM
I'm actually not saying that at all. I'm very much aligned with what you're saying, I'm just saying that I'm so far unimpressed by him and that if he were to go as part of the overhaul I wouldn't lose any sleep about it.
Douglas signed a 6 year deal...he's not going anywhere.
Post by: delavan on October 19, 2020, 01:48:26 PM
I still think we should bring in Chad next season just ti teach whoever we have starting for us how to execute playaction.
+1
https://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4452.msg388550.html#msg388550
Post by: insanity on October 19, 2020, 10:25:04 PM
Make it happen joe
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2020, 02:18:20 PM
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Darnold says he’s not focused on Trevor Lawrence - #Jets speculation. He’s focused on the #Bills. Says he has seen it, though. “I have social media. I’ve seen it”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 22, 2020, 03:05:08 PM
Poor freaking guy. It probably is the best for him to get away from this organization.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 22, 2020, 03:09:34 PM
i'm sure the questions will keep coming every now and then depending on how he plays. maybe it'll harden him a bit
Post by: bojanglesman on October 22, 2020, 03:14:22 PM
https://twitter.com/jetshateme/status/1319360374093873153?s=21
Poor freaking guy. It probably is the best for him to get away from this organization.
I'm still holding out hope he's the guy here, just waiting to get out from under the Gase excrement cloud. I really wanted Darnold to be the Jets franchise for 10 years.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2020, 03:20:01 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 22, 2020, 03:22:41 PM
If he can pull out a game or two he won't have to worry about Trevor Lawrence. I used to think Steve DeBerg had bad luck, but is it luck when you're always on the worst team and they take a QB #1 the next year?
If the Jets are on the board and Trevor Lawrence is available, I think they'll take him. 1-2 wins may still get us the #1 overall. Honestly, Darnold might celebrate going elsewhere too.
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 22, 2020, 03:37:41 PM
If the Jets are on the board and Trevor Lawrence is available, I think they'll take him. 1-2 wins may still get us the #1 overall. Honestly, Darnold might celebrate going elsewhere too.
Good thing is if we don't get the #1 it's not like we're fucked, we do have Darnold. All I know about Lawrence is what I read from the same people, here and elsewhere, who said Darnold was a can't miss great QB. I watch some college ball, they all look good until they get here.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on October 22, 2020, 03:55:39 PM
Good thing is if we don't get the #1 it's not like we're fucked, we do have Darnold. All I know about Lawrence is what I read from the same people, here and elsewhere, who said Darnold was a can't miss great QB. I watch some college ball, they all look good until they get here.
and by "here" you mean specifically the Jets
Post by: Johnny English on October 25, 2020, 04:34:11 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2020, 04:35:54 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 25, 2020, 09:48:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 26, 2020, 11:30:54 AM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1320717569922371585?s= https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1320725583257587713?s=21
Post by: Johnny English on October 26, 2020, 11:35:09 AM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1320721731888308225?s=21
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1320717569922371585?s= https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1320725583257587713?s=21
I'd want to see the video, but for #2 I'd guess that Sam should have seen Poyer lurking and told Griffin to stay in to protect. Players are going to run their routes unless the QB changes their assignment.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 26, 2020, 11:35:19 AM
As for the free blockers, I don't know whose responsibilities those are, but often, it's on the QB.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2020, 03:19:27 PM
The first image he shows, the receiver at the bottom has a step on the defender and inside leverage. Throw it.
Nah, there's a safety over the top.
The free rushers are the quarterback's responsibility every time. McDermott fooled Darnold on protections for basically the entire second half. He kept identifying Edmunds (you could hear him checking 49 on the broadcast). Edmunds would show blitz then bail. This puts the protection in a conflict, especially the center.
Darnold did not put the tight end or the back in the right position to max protect. It's on him. They are just running the play that's call. It's up to Darnold to counter Buffalo.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 26, 2020, 03:24:43 PM
The free rushers are the quarterback's responsibility every time. McDermott fooled Darnold on protections for basically the entire second half. He kept identifying Edmunds (you could hear him checking 49 on the broadcast). Edmunds would show blitz then bail. This puts the protection in a conflict, especially the center.That's what I thought, but I don't know enough about X's and O's to know for sure.
Darnold did not put the tight end or the back in the right position to max protect. It's on him. They are just running the play that's call. It's up to Darnold to counter Buffalo.
Would be nice if Gase could help teach Darnold some things to look for pre-snap, but at some point, Darnold needs to learn this excrement. It's great that he can make a dime on 3rd-and-20 into a tight window. I need him to help himself out and help this offense out by not making stupid turnovers and noticing free rushers.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2020, 03:34:16 PM
It's great that he can make a dime on 3rd-and-20 into a tight window.
Those kind of throws don't matter when you try it again and get picked off.
That's why the "see how talented" crowd is frustrating to deal with. Yeah, he can make great throws but he washes all positive plays away with stupid mistakes in almost every game.
Post by: insanity on October 26, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
Nah, there's a safety over the top.
The free rushers are the quarterback's responsibility every time. McDermott fooled Darnold on protections for basically the entire second half. He kept identifying Edmunds (you could hear him checking 49 on the broadcast). Edmunds would show blitz then bail. This puts the protection in a conflict, especially the center.
Darnold did not put the tight end or the back in the right position to max protect. It's on him. They are just running the play that's call. It's up to Darnold to counter Buffalo.
This is confusing to me though. How can Sam not see him?
It's one of two things Sam's an indiot or Gase doesn't let him shift protections.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2020, 03:44:36 PM
This is confusing to me though. How can Sam not see him?
It's one of two things Sam's an indiot or Gase doesn't let him shift protections.
Sam definitely shifts protections, you can hear him doing it during the game.
He's probably reading the backers of the other safety pre-snap. That DB walked up a few times and Sam didn't do a damn thing about it.
Post by: insanity on October 26, 2020, 03:50:45 PM
Sam:
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Post by: Derek Smalls on October 26, 2020, 04:31:59 PM
This is the missed Mims play. Pretty bad. Missed Mims initially. Then missed him again as he started to roll out.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 26, 2020, 04:34:47 PM
https://twitter.com/RobbySabo/status/1320838906649186304
This is the missed Mims play. Pretty bad. Missed Mims initially. Then missed him again as he started to roll out.
He's not seeing the flat at all. I know Herndon has been unreliable, but he was wide open several times yesterday and Sam forced the ball downfield into coverage.
Post by: Libero_2 on October 26, 2020, 05:17:33 PM
https://twitter.com/RobbySabo/status/1320838906649186304
This is the missed Mims play. Pretty bad. Missed Mims initially. Then missed him again as he started to roll out.
Despite all of that, which is really really bad,
If he puts the throw he did make on the sideline I think that's a completion and a first down. But he leaves the ball inside, it gets batted away and out comes the FG unit
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2020, 01:29:30 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 02, 2020, 02:13:56 PM
Otherwise he might end up somewhere else and will no doubt get another chance to show if we've held him back or vice versa. He's 23, if he's that good he'll rise to the top at some point, with experience and in the right situation, here or elsewhere.
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 03:10:14 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 02, 2020, 03:13:53 PM
He didn't really do too much wrong yesterday. The fumble wasn't great, but there weren't too many "why the freak did you just throw that?" moments I can recall. Got a bit lucky with a couple of wayward throws, but most QBs have one or two of those a game.He was OK yesterday. 18-30, 133 yds, 0 TD, 0 Int is pretty terrible on paper, but he is graded on a curve with how bad we are.
But he still needs to do more if he wants to win games and keep his job here next year.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 03:28:57 PM
He didn't really do too much wrong yesterday. The fumble wasn't great, but there weren't too many "why the freak did you just throw that?" moments I can recall. Got a bit lucky with a couple of wayward throws, but most QBs have one or two of those a game.
The biggest headscratcher for me was the one he threw into triple/quadruple coverage to Jeff Smith.
And I have absolutely no idea why he continues to force the ball to Smith and Berrios.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 06:20:48 PM
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RapSheet: #Jets QB Sam Darnold underwent a precautionary MRI on his right shoulder and source said it showed a reaggravation but he will attempt to manage it and work through it. The extra day for MNF should help, as well
Sit him
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 06:26:22 PM
Sit him
You've said enough times that he's playing for his job. How can you expect him to sit?
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 06:28:03 PM
You've said enough times that he's playing for his job. How can you expect him to sit?
Because he won't have a shot at a job here (or elsewhere) next season if he fucks up his shoulder.
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 06:30:21 PM
Because he won't have a shot at a job here (or elsewhere) next season if he fucks up his shoulder.
He won't have a shot at a job here if we don't win a game or two either... the mismanagement continues. But everything will be different if we draft Lawrence, right?
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 06:32:15 PM
He won't have a shot at a job here if we don't win a game or two either... the mismanagement continues. But everything will be different if we draft Lawrence, right?
He's not winning anything for us when he's perfectly healthy, so I don't see why he should play and risk ruining his entire career in a lost season.
I don't see why you keep trying to make this point about Trevor Lawrence either.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 06:36:18 PM
We're only halfway through this dumpster fire of a season.
We either need to be able to trade Sam Darnold for as much as possible or he needs to be competing for the starting quarterback job here in 2021. There's no reason to put him out there if he's hurt and it absolutely should not be up to him if he plays.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 02, 2020, 06:38:22 PM
We either need to be able to trade Sam Darnold for as much as possible or he needs to be competing for the starting quarterback job here in 2021. There's no reason to put him out there if he's hurt and it absolutely should not be up to him if he plays.100%.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
He's been an unfortunate combination of both.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 06:42:17 PM
It's not a lock that we lose out and get Trevor Lawrence. We could somehow end up picking third and miss out of both Lawrence and Justin Fields.
We're only halfway through this dumpster fire of a season.
We either need to be able to trade Sam Darnold for as much as possible or he needs to be competing for the starting quarterback job here in 2021. There's no reason to put him out there if he's hurt and it absolutely should not be up to him if he plays.
I feel like "he should not be allowed to decide that he can play injured," is a better sentiment for a coaching staff coming off of multiple injury snafus last season.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 02, 2020, 07:38:17 PM
He won't have a shot at a job here if we don't win a game or two either... the mismanagement continues. But everything will be different if we draft Lawrence, right?
I have yet to hear a single Jets fan anywhere say that they hate Sam or that they hope he never finds success. That is not true of most of our past QBs. No jets fan WANTS Sam to play badly enough for us to go 0-16. It’s u questionably the best outcome for the Jets if Sam gets hot and we go 5-3 down the stretch. It’s just so unlikely no one can expect it.
And as for Sams shoulder there is no reason to bring Lawrence into that. Sam needs that shoulder to play (any kind of football) and him being injured is a bad situation everyone. Playing him would be a continued mismanagement of player personnel by Gase. Which is why I fully expect him to be on the field unless the medical staff holds him. Both Sam and Gase know their jobs depend on him playing well, so he will be out there unless someone stops him.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 02, 2020, 07:39:45 PM
I feel like "he should not be allowed to decide that he can play injured," is a better sentiment for a coaching staff coming off of multiple injury snafus last season.
You can add in the Becton malfeasance this year as well. Possibly Kyle Phillips as well, although I’m less sure about that one.
Post by: reuben on November 02, 2020, 07:44:10 PM
I have yet to hear a single Jets fan anywhere say that they hate Sam or that they hope he never finds success. That is not true of most of our past QBs.
I generally hope the best for all former Jets quarterbacks. Tebow and Geno are the only exceptions that come to mind.
Chad was a conflict of interest but in hindsight, I'm glad he was able to extend his career.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 08:26:30 PM
Chad was a conflict of interest but in hindsight, I'm glad he was able to extend his career.
I've never been more upset over a former Jet signing somewhere else.
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2020, 08:32:36 PM
I generally hope the best for all former Jets quarterbacks. Tebow and Geno are the only exceptions that come to mind.I don't even think of Tebow as a former Jets quarterback
Chad was a conflict of interest but in hindsight, I'm glad he was able to extend his career.
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2020, 08:33:19 PM
I generally hope the best for all former Jets quarterbacks. Tebow and Geno are the only exceptions that come to mind.Plenty of people hated Favre as well. Not me.
Chad was a conflict of interest but in hindsight, I'm glad he was able to extend his career.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 10:29:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2020, 10:30:17 PM
I don't even think of Tebow as a former Jets quarterback
(https://i.imgur.com/U7e9U.gif%20)
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 02, 2020, 10:32:21 PM
Plenty of people hated Favre as well. Not me.I still defend that trade to this day. Gave us our best chance to win in 2008. Favre showed in 2009 that he had more left in the tank. It just didn't work out, but it also gave us a clean slate to get a potential franchise QB in the following draft. And if it had worked out, a healthy Favre on the 2009-10 Jets teams probably wins a Super Bowl.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 10:35:50 PM
freak Favre. I hated him when we traded for him and I hate him today.
this
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2020, 10:36:12 PM
We missed out on a year of Kellen Clemens prime though
Post by: Heismanberg on November 02, 2020, 10:37:07 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 10:41:40 PM
I wish we still had Eric Mangini running the show
It sickens me that I agree with this.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 03, 2020, 12:34:04 AM
I still defend that trade to this day. Gave us our best chance to win in 2008. Favre showed in 2009 that he had more left in the tank. It just didn't work out, but it also gave us a clean slate to get a potential franchise QB in the following draft. And if it had worked out, a healthy Favre on the 2009-10 Jets teams probably wins a Super Bowl.
This realization makes me hate him again. I hated his retirement drama every year in Green Bay and thought he was overrated. Looking back now, knowing he didn't really want to retire but call his shot and go back to the NFC North, fucked us in the end. Same as the year he was here and played hurt to keep his streak to the detriment of the team. It was always Favre and his act before the team.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 03, 2020, 07:36:13 AM
I wish we still had Eric Mangini running the show
I wish we still had Rex Ryan running the show, and it's not even close.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 03, 2020, 07:42:10 AM
I wish we still had Rex Ryan running the show, and it's not even close.
I'd take either one, preferably Rex.
Post by: MBGreen on November 03, 2020, 07:46:47 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 03, 2020, 09:19:09 AM
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2020, 09:19:43 AM
Jesus you guys are battered women...lol at pining for Mangeni and Rex. That is so laughable my side hurts.SBTG
Post by: Miamipuck on November 03, 2020, 09:20:33 AM
SBTG
A sock puppet:
SBTG
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 03, 2020, 10:21:36 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 03, 2020, 10:49:13 AM
Well, I miss the days when my team was winning games, reaching the AFFCG and was a lot of fun to watch. Can’t be blamed for that I guess.
Nope. Winning was fun.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 22, 2020, 01:33:41 PM
if you bring him back into the game it's literally because you're saying he's healthy enough to play. that obviously wasn't the case if you had to 'monitor' him for the next week until he ultimately had to be held out of the next game, and now it's going on three weeks that he isn't actually healthy enough to play. he obviously should never have gone back into the game.
for a normal team those are season- and franchise- altering decisions and it's potentially a career-altering one for darnold. we've already been shown to fvck up the health of our potential cornerstone LT multiple times this year and that's absolutely inexcusable.
who's making the calls to allow these players to get back into the game when they have no business doing so? is it the medical staff? is it gase?
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2020, 01:48:17 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 22, 2020, 01:50:32 PM
It's OK though because everything will be different with a new rookie quarterback.
The staff will certainly be different
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 01:50:33 PM
It's OK though because everything will be different with a new rookie quarterback.And a new coaching regime.
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2020, 01:51:20 PM
The staff will certainly be different
Willing to put your next mortgage payment on that? Even if Gase is gone, are we going to have new medical and S&C staff?
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 01:53:19 PM
Willing to put your next mortgage payment on that? Even if Gase is gone, are we going to have new medical and S&C staff?Why don't you wait and see how it plays out. Save the tears.
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2020, 01:54:04 PM
Why don't you wait and see how it plays out. Save the tears.
Because I prefer not to stick my head in the sand and pretend it's all going to magically fix itself.
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 01:56:43 PM
Because I prefer not to stick my head in the sand and pretend it's all going to magically fix itself.JFC
We debunk this stupid argument with you every week. Give it a rest.
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2020, 03:03:31 PM
JFC
We debunk this stupid argument with you every week. Give it a rest.
No you don't. You have yet to make a remotely compelling argument as to why losing all of our games and drafting Trevor Lawrence will fix squat.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 22, 2020, 03:09:55 PM
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 03:12:47 PM
No you don't. You have yet to make a remotely compelling argument as to why losing all of our games and drafting Trevor Lawrence will fix squat.Provide an alternative, contrarian
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2020, 03:26:43 PM
Provide an alternative, contrarian
I already have, multiple times. But one more time for the hard of hearing, absent the Johnsons selling to someone who has a clue my ideal offseason looks like this:
- Gase fired Black Monday or sooner
- Johnsons announce that they will be playing no part in the recruitment of his replacement, and that complete control of football affairs is with immediate effect in the hands of the GM
- Douglas moves quickly to hire a competent, proven head coach with experience of and success at running a full football program e.g. Ryan Day
- Day hires a complete replacement staff, including S&C and medical
- Assuming we have the first overall pick, we trade it for the #2 and a bunch of other picks
- Draft Sewell
- ????
- Win Super Bowl
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 22, 2020, 03:33:35 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2020, 03:43:50 PM
If we're hiring a "competent, proven" head coach, it's probably because they want to work with their own quarterback on a similar timeline.
Look, I'm not going to be upset if we end up with Lawrence. I just don't think it fixes anything at all, because I don't think that's where the problem is.
I'd much rather see us build the roster properly than put all our chips on a single highly touted prospect. Trading the #1 pick would give us the ability to get very good across the roster in a hurry; if we could parlay the #1 into #2, a mid round 1st and an extra 1st in 22 we could transform the team. I will not be convinced that it's not a better option than putting fresh meat behind a excrement line to still have no one to throw to.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 22, 2020, 03:51:46 PM
Look, I'm not going to be upset if we end up with Lawrence. I just don't think it fixes anything at all, because I don't think that's where the problem is.That's fair, and that we can actually debate about. The ownership stuff is stupid because there's nothing that can fix that.
I'd much rather see us build the roster properly than put all our chips on a single highly touted prospect. Trading the #1 pick would give us the ability to get very good across the roster in a hurry; if we could parlay the #1 into #2, a mid round 1st and an extra 1st in 22 we could transform the team. I will not be convinced that it's not a better option than putting fresh meat behind a excrement line to still have no one to throw to.
Quite frankly, Fields and Wilson are such good prospects in their own right that trading down and getting one of them to build around is a viable strategy. Darnold needs to get on the field and play well before we look at him as the potential #1 next year.
Post by: Jumbo on November 22, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
Normally I'd agree with trading #1 but Lawrence is a prospect on a different level. You can't pass up the opportunity to take him (and any GM that does is probably suicidal). You take Lawrence over Fields + 2 1sts, as ridiculous as that sounds.
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 04:20:08 PM
I already have, multiple times. But one more time for the hard of hearing, absent the Johnsons selling to someone who has a clue my ideal offseason looks like this:Lol imagine wanting to pass on Lawrence....on purpose.
- Gase fired Black Monday or sooner
- Johnsons announce that they will be playing no part in the recruitment of his replacement, and that complete control of football affairs is with immediate effect in the hands of the GM
- Douglas moves quickly to hire a competent, proven head coach with experience of and success at running a full football program e.g. Ryan Day
- Day hires a complete replacement staff, including S&C and medical
- Assuming we have the first overall pick, we trade it for the #2 and a bunch of other picks
- Draft Sewell
- ????
- Win Super Bowl
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 04:22:02 PM
Look, I'm not going to be upset if we end up with Lawrence. I just don't think it fixes anything at all, because I don't think that's where the problem is.We're not trading #1
I'd much rather see us build the roster properly than put all our chips on a single highly touted prospect. Trading the #1 pick would give us the ability to get very good across the roster in a hurry; if we could parlay the #1 into #2, a mid round 1st and an extra 1st in 22 we could transform the team. I will not be convinced that it's not a better option than putting fresh meat behind a excrement line to still have no one to throw to.
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 04:24:53 PM
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 06:06:10 PM
I already have, multiple times. But one more time for the hard of hearing, absent the Johnsons selling to someone who has a clue my ideal offseason looks like this:Why can't they also do most of that and draft Lawrence?
- Gase fired Black Monday or sooner
- Johnsons announce that they will be playing no part in the recruitment of his replacement, and that complete control of football affairs is with immediate effect in the hands of the GM
- Douglas moves quickly to hire a competent, proven head coach with experience of and success at running a full football program e.g. Ryan Day
- Day hires a complete replacement staff, including S&C and medical
- Assuming we have the first overall pick, we trade it for the #2 and a bunch of other picks
- Draft Sewell
- ????
- Win Super Bowl
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2020, 06:15:24 PM
Why can't they also do most of that and draft Lawrence?
They can do all of that without needing to go 0-16, which is why cheering for the tank is stupid. I think that Sewell or Chase would help the team more than Lawrence will. I think that getting the #1 should be parlayed into getting more than just Sewell or Chase.
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 06:18:04 PM
They can do all of that without needing to go 0-16, which is why cheering for the tank is stupid. I think that Sewell or Chase would help the team more than Lawrence will. I think that getting the #1 should be parlayed into getting more than just Sewell or Chase.Lol no
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
They can do all of that without needing to go 0-16, which is why cheering for the tank is stupid. I think that Sewell or Chase would help the team more than Lawrence will. I think that getting the #1 should be parlayed into getting more than just Sewell or Chase.Oh so you're just wrong then
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2020, 06:22:02 PM
Oh so you're just wrong then
Not sure why I have to keep explaining this to you, maybe you've been spending the last few months focusing on political memes rather than football discussions. My point all along has been that I don't actually believe the team will do any of these things. They'll go 0-16, draft Lawrence, sit back and wait for magic to happen. The end. And some of our less intelligent fans are expecting it to actually work.
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 06:22:57 PM
Not sure why I have to keep explaining this to you, maybe you've been spending the last few months focusing on political memes rather than football discussions.
And you've been doing the latter and you're still wrong.
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
Not sure why I have to keep explaining this to you, maybe you've been spending the last few months focusing on political memes rather than football discussions. My point all along has been that I don't actually believe the team will do any of these things. They'll go 0-16, draft Lawrence, sit back and wait for magic to happen. The end. And some of our less intelligent fans are expecting it to actually work.You need to move on from this dumb narrative
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2020, 06:23:56 PM
And you've been doing the latter and you're still wrong.
Ok we'll see. You know I'm not though. Magic QBs don't fix broken franchises, as evidenced by every single excrement team ever.
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 06:27:32 PM
Ok we'll see. You know I'm not though. Magic QBs don't fix broken franchises, as evidenced by every single excrement team ever.You're arguing against a position no one is holding
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 22, 2020, 07:01:23 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 22, 2020, 07:05:10 PM
Part of getting the #1 pick is attracting upper tier coaching candidates
So you can hate whichever one we hire.
Post by: Johnny English on November 22, 2020, 07:05:39 PM
Suggesting Ja'Marr Chase would help the Jets more than Trevor Lawrence is insane. Look at the Chargers today. They upgraded at quarterback with Herbert, and now they have an explosive offense. It hasn't translated to wins, but he shows how a player can transform an offense. Darnold has never done that, and this QB class is too good to pass up unless something changes.
LOL they're 1-7 prior to today, thank you for demonstrating my point.
Post by: Jumbo on November 22, 2020, 07:16:23 PM
LOL they're 1-7 prior to today, thank you for demonstrating my point.
Now 3-7 with a rash of injuries to their defense + Ekeler and a bunch of close losses (-19 point differential on the season). They are clearly poised well for the future.
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 07:39:48 PM
So you can hate whichever one we hire.Not if it's a good hire...
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 22, 2020, 08:20:51 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 22, 2020, 08:25:00 PM
Jets fans banking on the 1 pick will be broken beyond repair if it doesn’t happen
We do have Darnold, I'm fine if he stays. But if Lawrence is as good as everyone claims and we've made it to 0-10, it's worth the discussion.
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 08:33:48 PM
Jets fans banking on the 1 pick will be broken beyond repair if it doesn’t happenFixing the coaching is a bigger concern
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2020, 09:33:34 PM
Fixing the coaching is a bigger concern
Does anyone actually disagree with this? I'm pretty sure JE doesn't.
The problem with this team is largely coaching. A chunk of the problem is talent, but week-by-week, Douglas' picks are showing something, so my confidence is growing that he'll do well with all the picks he has coming up.
But I think Gase is still going to be the head coach next year. And that's the end of any hope that a talent infusion will matter.
Post by: MBGreen on November 22, 2020, 09:39:41 PM
But I think Gase is still going to be the head coach next year. And that's the end of any hope that a talent infusion will matter.
Cmon now
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 09:41:00 PM
Does anyone actually disagree with this? I'm pretty sure JE doesn't.
JE's position is that it doesn't matter who we draft or hire because Johnsons bad.
But I think Gase is still going to be the head coach next year.
Wrong
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2020, 09:53:45 PM
Fire Gase and let JD hire his own coach? I'll completely change my tune.
I still don't believe Gase is going anywhere.
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 10:01:34 PM
I understand and somewhat agree with JE. Until the Johnsons prove they're not completely incapable of making good hiring decisions, they get no benefit of the doubt.Jim Irsay inherited a football team and a fortune, suffers from a drug addiction and can barely tweet out a coherent thought. Yet the Colts managed to win a SB under his ownership.
Fire Gase and let JD hire his own coach? I'll completely change my tune.
I still don't believe Gase is going anywhere.
The Johnsons are not "great" team owners but they are not Dan Snyder-level bad. There is no magical cloud of incompetence that prevents them from possibly making a good decision, and that's all it really takes from an owner. 1 or 2 good decisions and then letting things play out.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 22, 2020, 10:06:22 PM
Jim Irsay inherited a football team and a fortune, suffers from a drug addiction and can barely tweet out a coherent thought. Yet the Colts managed to win a SB under his ownership.
The Johnsons are not "great" team owners but they are not Dan Snyder-level bad.
I can agree with that. But the Johnsons have to let Douglas hire his own head coach who reports to him, not ownership. My confidence in JD is growing but I want him to have real control rather than this split-accountability nonsense this team has been running under.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 22, 2020, 10:12:33 PM
Does anyone actually disagree with this? I'm pretty sure JE doesn't.
The problem with this team is largely coaching. A chunk of the problem is talent, but week-by-week, Douglas' picks are showing something, so my confidence is growing that he'll do well with all the picks he has coming up.
But I think Gase is still going to be the head coach next year. And that's the end of any hope that a talent infusion will matter.
I have zero confidence in the Johnson's but they can't possibly be that stupid. They are bumbling fucktards that probably fucked up everything in their lives but there's no way they are not firing that hairbrained autistic queynte.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 22, 2020, 10:15:19 PM
They gave Douglas a 6 year contract and his first draft is starting to look like maybe he knows what he's doing. So if they're smart they'll let him take it from here, since they hired him to be the GM already. And if not then replace him.
Post by: MBGreen on November 23, 2020, 03:29:58 PM
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It sounds like everything is good with Sam Darnold when throwing the ball. The key is when he's tackled, driven into the turf on that shoulder. #TakeFlight
Gase: "I'd like to see him play with our starting wide receivers."
So really, Darnold is one hit away from annihlation.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 23, 2020, 04:48:43 PM
Since they're on the fence, they want to see how he looks down the stretch. If he's impressive enough, he becomes a strong option to debate against Fields and Wilson.
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2020, 04:51:54 PM
If the Jets were sold one way or the other with Darnold, I think he would be sitting out. If they believed in him as the QB of the future, he would be on IR, rest your shoulder, see you next year. If they were done with Darnold and knew they were moving on, they would sit him so he doesn't reinjure himself and hurt his trade value.
Since they're on the fence, they want to see how he looks down the stretch. If he's impressive enough, he becomes a strong option to debate against Fields and Wilson.
I don't see it wildly impossible that they draft Lawrence and keep Darnold. I suppose that will depend on whether the head coach and GM, whoever they are next season, believe that rookies should earn their jobs or be handed them. (I don't have a strong feeling on that, I can see pros and cons to both arguments.)
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 23, 2020, 05:01:58 PM
I don't see it wildly impossible that they draft Lawrence and keep Darnold. I suppose that will depend on whether the head coach and GM, whoever they are next season, believe that rookies should earn their jobs or be handed them. (I don't have a strong feeling on that, I can see pros and cons to both arguments.)It makes no sense to keep Darnold IMO if you draft Lawrence. Even if you think it makes sense for rookies to earn their jobs, Darnold hopefully has too much value around the league to waste him like that. It would be wasting an asset.
If they want to bring in someone like Foles or Fitz or Flacco or Tyrod or [insert mediocre QB here] and have a "QB competition," I'm fine with that. But if we draft Lawrence, there's no chance Darnold is on the roster in 2022, and we would be wasting an asset we can get a good draft pick for.
If Darnold does turn into a star elsewhere, like Drew Brees did, I would like to at least have gotten a draft pick for him.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 23, 2020, 05:29:46 PM
I don't see it wildly impossible that they draft Lawrence and keep Darnold.
It'd be impossibly stupid to keep Darnold because a portion of our moronic fanbase would root against Lawrence in favor of Darnold.
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2020, 05:36:52 PM
It'd be impossibly stupid to keep Darnold because a portion of our moronic fanbase would root against Lawrence in favor of Darnold.
You think? I can't see it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2020, 05:46:28 PM
It'd be impossibly stupid to keep Darnold because a portion of our moronic fanbase would root against Lawrence in favor of Darnold.
When so you believe the team has shown evidence that it actually cares about what the fans think in terms of personnel decisions?
Post by: Heismanberg on November 23, 2020, 06:58:29 PM
When so you believe the team has shown evidence that it actually cares about what the fans think in terms of personnel decisions?
Players care
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 23, 2020, 07:09:58 PM
after writing out the sentence, i can see it happening now
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2020, 07:35:36 PM
if lawrence is on this team there's no way we keep darnold unless the team is absolutely hell-bent on needlessly fvcking with the psyche of 2 young QBs for no reason other than to keep fvcking things up
after writing out the sentence, i can see it happening now
It wouldn’t be too far off from Brees/Rivers, although I don’t think it’s likely.
Players care
Then you should have led with that.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 23, 2020, 08:46:29 PM
It wouldn’t be too far off from Brees/Rivers, although I don’t think it’s likely.
Drew Brees wasn't a top three pick.
Then you should have led with that.
Why?
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 23, 2020, 08:49:30 PM
Point being, I could see both guys being here for maybe a year or two tops.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2020, 08:50:39 PM
Drew Brees wasn't a top three pick.
Why?
1. You’ll notice I used a qualifier there
2. Because it seems to be the major point of your comment.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 24, 2020, 02:07:25 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 25, 2020, 06:38:32 PM
I have zero faith in this team not to freak up a young QB, especially since the pieces around him are trash.
At least if we end up swimming in 5+ 1st round picks between that and the Jamal Adams trade this team has at least a feasible chance of building around Darnold.
That said it has to come down to the right offer, and how the top of the draft plays out, plus what kind of offers we could get for Darnold.
I think a lot of people have their mind made up on drafting Lawrence no matter what (or the far less common one of keeping Darnold). But I think realistically it's gotta be of the mindset that Joe Douglas has given us glimpses of. Which is hey we're open for business and will listen to any and all offers
Post by: Johnny English on November 25, 2020, 06:44:34 PM
If we get the 1st overall pick I hope we at least seriously contemplate whatever offers are made on it.
I have zero faith in this team not to freak up a young QB, especially since the pieces around him are trash.
At least if we end up swimming in 5+ 1st round picks between that and the Jamal Adams trade this team has at least a feasible chance of building around Darnold.
That said it has to come down to the right offer, and how the top of the draft plays out, plus what kind of offers we could get for Darnold.
I think a lot of people have their mind made up on drafting Lawrence no matter what (or the far less common one of keeping Darnold). But I think realistically it's gotta be of the mindset that Joe Douglas has given us glimpses of. Which is hey we're open for business and will listen to any and all offers
OH excrement YOU'RE NOT DEAD
Post by: dcm1602 on November 25, 2020, 06:49:43 PM
OH excrement YOU'RE NOT DEAD
Just been neck deep in the Rona
Post by: Johnny English on November 25, 2020, 06:52:55 PM
Just been neck deep in the Rona
We're just happy to have you home for Thanksgiving sweetie.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 25, 2020, 06:54:31 PM
If we get the 1st overall pick I hope we at least seriously contemplate whatever offers are made on it.I am always willing to listen to offers. If JD thinks Lawrence is as good as the consensus, I'm not sure if that price can be met. If JD thinks there is minimal difference between Lawrence and Zach Wilson or Justin Fields, then it's a whole different conversation.
I have zero faith in this team not to freak up a young QB, especially since the pieces around him are trash.
At least if we end up swimming in 5+ 1st round picks between that and the Jamal Adams trade this team has at least a feasible chance of building around Darnold.
That said it has to come down to the right offer, and how the top of the draft plays out, plus what kind of offers we could get for Darnold.
I think a lot of people have their mind made up on drafting Lawrence no matter what (or the far less common one of keeping Darnold). But I think realistically it's gotta be of the mindset that Joe Douglas has given us glimpses of. Which is hey we're open for business and will listen to any and all offers
Post by: delavan on November 25, 2020, 07:01:19 PM
If we get the 1st overall pick I hope we at least seriously contemplate whatever offers are made on it.
I have zero faith in this team not to freak up a young QB, especially since the pieces around him are trash.
At least if we end up swimming in 5+ 1st round picks between that and the Jamal Adams trade this team has at least a feasible chance of building around Darnold.
That said it has to come down to the right offer, and how the top of the draft plays out, plus what kind of offers we could get for Darnold.
I think a lot of people have their mind made up on drafting Lawrence no matter what (or the far less common one of keeping Darnold). But I think realistically it's gotta be of the mindset that Joe Douglas has given us glimpses of. Which is hey we're open for business and will listen to any and all offers
Or the in-between of trading the top pick to a Lawrence-hungry Jaxville for (e.g.) their two 1's in 2021 and their 1st in 2022 and drafting Fields or Wilson.
edit: nevermind, Derek Smalls (above post) beat me to the punch..
Post by: reuben on November 25, 2020, 07:07:21 PM
If we get the 1st overall pick I hope we at least seriously contemplate whatever offers are made on it.
freak off idiot
Post by: dcm1602 on November 25, 2020, 07:08:22 PM
We're just happy to have you home for Thanksgiving sweetie.
At least I know what you're all going To be thankful for this year
Post by: Heismanberg on November 25, 2020, 07:14:05 PM
Post by: MBGreen on November 25, 2020, 07:15:22 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 25, 2020, 07:18:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 25, 2020, 07:24:21 PM
If we trade out of #1 and take Justin Fields and draft picks over Trevor Lawrence, I will not root for this team anymore.
How many years in a row have you been done with the Knicks now? Suck it up princess.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 25, 2020, 07:24:56 PM
How many years in a row have you been done with the Knicks now? Suck it up princess.
I care far more about the Jets and football than I do about the Knicks.
If this team passes on an opportunity to draft the best quarterback that I've ever watched for an inferior prospect, I'm out. Say Lawrence pulls an Eli Manning and requests a trade, I would understand that but we better not draft Justin Fields. It has to be Zach Wilson.
Post by: Johnny English on November 25, 2020, 07:29:38 PM
I care far more about the Jets and football than I do about the Knicks.
If this team passes on an opportunity to draft the best quarterback that I've ever watched for an inferior prospect, I'm out.
I'm with you on Fields, but if we traded the #1 to surround Sam with, say, Sewell, Waddle and Smith, and the new head coach is signed on with that strategy, are you really going to quit on the team?
Post by: Heismanberg on November 25, 2020, 07:33:27 PM
I'm with you on Fields, but if we traded the #1 to surround Sam with, say, Sewell, Waddle and Smith, and the new head coach is signed on with that strategy, are you really going to quit on the team?
I said that if we pass on Lawrence for Fields and picks then I'm done.
Your situation makes us better in a lot of places other than QB. We have to go QB. Darnold's time is up. He will be traded and that pick can be used to get Lawrence more help.
Post by: Johnny English on November 25, 2020, 07:37:02 PM
I said that if we pass on Lawrence for Fields and picks then I'm done.
Your situation makes us better in a lot of places other than QB. We have to go QB. Darnold's time is up. He will be traded and that pick can be used to get Lawrence more help.
Yeah but this has been my point all along, has it not? QB out is not the way to rebuild a bad team. As I've already said I'm not going to be mad if we do draft Lawrence, but we are in a position to make the rest of the team a lot better in a hurry and I think it's a safer bet than hoping that a magic quarterback fixes everything on his own.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 25, 2020, 07:45:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 25, 2020, 07:50:49 PM
QB is a way to rebuild a bad team when you have bad quarterback play. We've had bad quarterback play for most of the last decade. Including with Sam.
We have. But I think we've also seen enough good quarterback play from him for me to believe that with proper protection, weapons and coaching, he's more than good enough. I think we've also seen enough bad protection, weapons and coaching for me to believe that it's not possible for anyone to have succeeded at quarterback for this team for most of the last decade.
I'm in favour of fixing the bits that are clearly and definitively broken, rather than the ones that might be.
Post by: MBGreen on November 25, 2020, 08:11:46 PM
We have. But I think we've also seen enough good quarterback play from him for me to believe that with proper protection, weapons and coaching, he's more than good enough. I think we've also seen enough bad protection, weapons and coaching for me to believe that it's not possible for anyone to have succeeded at quarterback for this team for most of the last decade.I'd rather start fresh with a better QB prospect and build around him...then try to undo the last 2 years of Gase coaching. Darnold is done here anyway.
I'm in favour of fixing the bits that are clearly and definitively broken, rather than the ones that might be.
Post by: Laxin on November 25, 2020, 09:05:16 PM
Yeah but this has been my point all along, has it not? QB out is not the way to rebuild a bad team. As I've already said I'm not going to be mad if we do draft Lawrence, but we are in a position to make the rest of the team a lot better in a hurry and I think it's a safer bet than hoping that a magic quarterback fixes everything on his own.
This is ignoring the part that the team has the resources outside of the #1 pick to sufficiently surround Lawrence with enough talent to succeed. There’s enough cap space and the team currently has enough picks to add another WR, RB and two capable offensive lineman without trading down. I also don’t see why they couldn’t add to the defense as well.
They have a ton of capital and cap space to surround a QB, it really just comes down to execution, using the money available and finding the right coach.
Post by: delavan on November 25, 2020, 09:13:59 PM
We have.
But I think we've also seen enough good quarterback play from him for me to believe that with proper protection, weapons and coaching, he's more than good enough.
I think we've also seen enough bad protection, weapons and coaching for me to believe that it's not possible for anyone to have succeeded at quarterback for this team for most of the last decade.
I'm in favour of fixing the bits that are clearly and definitively broken, rather than the ones that might be.
I too am not ready to pull the plug on Darnold altogether but one thing that unfortunately now comes to mind is his inability to stay on the field (whether through his fault or not). I get the freakish mono setback and the mishandling of the Denver game body slam, but still, I'm wondering if he's (hate to say it) injury-prone.
Btw JO Mother Goose, '86' your bum-hurt (since changed) signature already......haha
https://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,4933.msg397068.html#msg397068
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 25, 2020, 09:14:42 PM
We have. But I think we've also seen enough good quarterback play from him for me to believe that with proper protection, weapons and coaching, he's more than good enough. I think we've also seen enough bad protection, weapons and coaching for me to believe that it's not possible for anyone to have succeeded at quarterback for this team for most of the last decade.But you give Sam the benefit of the doubt that you don't give to other positions.
I'm in favour of fixing the bits that are clearly and definitively broken, rather than the ones that might be.
Why address OT, we don't know if Edoga is definitively broken. PFF always seems to like him.
Why address CB, Austin and Hall have been good enough where with a competent pass rush, they could be good.
Why address EDGE, if we had better cornerbacks, Basham and others would look better.
Why address WR, Perriman, Crowder and Mims look like a decent WR corps.
Why address TE, we don't KNOW that Herndon is broken.
Quarterbacks is in the mix with those other positions. The only real thing that makes Darnold different is the draft capital.
Yes, Sam would look a lot better with better pieces around him. But the pieces around QB could also look a lot better with better QB play.
If this weren't a historic QB class and we didn't have an extremely high draft pick, I would be in favor of giving Darnold another year. But this is a special circumstance.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 25, 2020, 10:38:28 PM
Trade Sam
Use whatever pick acquired in a Darnold trade on skill talent or offensive line
Post by: Jumbo on November 25, 2020, 10:48:54 PM
Draft a QB (dear god just let us get the #1 pick please) and trade him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 25, 2020, 11:32:17 PM
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 26, 2020, 04:12:05 AM
I'd rather start fresh with a better QB prospect and build around him...then try to undo the last 2 years of Gase coaching. Darnold is done here anyway.
This is exactly how I feel. Saved me posting and your so much more articulate than I.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on November 26, 2020, 06:08:36 AM
Darnold is only cheap for one more year. That ruins any surplus value that we'll get out of him even if he's good unless anyone is expecting this team to be SB contenders next year.
Draft a QB (dear god just let us get the #1 pick please) and trade him.
This should end any discussion on the subject, and that’s why I think we’ll draft a QB next year even if we finish with the number 2 pick
Post by: dcm1602 on November 26, 2020, 06:21:09 AM
I think the better question is what's the minimum compensation you'd trade the 1st pick for. If there's a franchise who views him as the best QB prospect ever, it's feasible that we could get the best compensation ever for him.
I'm not confident it would happen, but 4 1st and a 2nd could be a legit possibility, with one of the 1st being a top 10, possibly a top 5 pick this year. 3 1sts, two 2nds, with one the 1st being a top 5 is extremely plausible as well.
Would you still pass on those offers without hesitation?
Sure Darnold doesn't look like a perennial top 5 or even top 10 QB and that freaking sucks. But could he a Jared Goff, capable of being competent enough to win if he's got a highly talented team around him? I certainly think so, and the Rams took advantage of a similar trade to get in thst position
Post by: Libero_2 on November 26, 2020, 06:58:42 AM
I think saying I want to keep Darnold or I want to draft Lawrence no matter what oversimplifies the argument far too much.
I think the better question is what's the minimum compensation you'd trade the 1st pick for. If there's a franchise who views him as the best QB prospect ever, it's feasible that we could get the best compensation ever for him.
I'm not confident it would happen, but 4 1st and a 2nd could be a legit possibility, with one of the 1st being a top 10, possibly a top 5 pick this year. 3 1sts, two 2nds, with one the 1st being a top 5 is extremely plausible as well.
Would you still pass on those offers without hesitation?
Sure Darnold doesn't look like a perennial top 5 or even top 10 QB and that freaking sucks. But could he a Jared Goff, capable of being competent enough to win if he's got a highly talented team around him? I certainly think so, and the Rams took advantage of a similar trade to get in thst position
The RGIII trade resulted in the following for St. Louis
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO9DDTgWwAEhUjE?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
There are only really 2 reasonably good football players on that list, and only one still involved in the Rams organization (Michael Brockers). If the Rams executed the trade they could have made serious headway, but they did not. If RGIII hadn't gotten hurt, and built upon the promise of his rookie season, the Redskins would have been winners no matter what they gave up. I think it's pretty safe to say neither team made significant progress from this trade, and both teams wound up losers. The Rams current success has basically nothing to do with the trade. But you could argue that a huge part of Washington's struggles in the 2010's has to do with having made this trade and RGIII not living up to it.
In either situation we could lose. If we stay and pick Lawrence, and he gets hurt we lose compared to what we could have gotten in a trade. If we trade out for a haul like you described, then we could still win the deal, but if Lawrence becomes a HOF QB chances are we lose.
Make no mistake about it, this organization hasn't had a QB with HOF talent and traits AND projection since Namath. That's worth it to take the player. Especially when we have every other asset we have to build around him (plus more asset(s) if/when Darnold would be traded). The only way I am entertaining a trade is if I feel that another QB in this class is close to Lawrence in both raw ability, traits and ceiling. If I feel that Lawrence is heads and shoulders above the rest, then basically no deal is worth it. But if there is a guy that's pretty close, Other QB +3-4 first round picks over 3 years might be worth more to the organization than just Lawrence would be. That said I would not be interested in a 1st rounder this year outside the top 3, and really top 2, if I feel that say Wilson is that next QB for me, I'm not trading down far enough that I might miss out on him, and I certainly am not trying to give up 1/2 of what I just got to give up Lawrence, just to move back up to get Wilson. So that other team has to move into that position/area for me to be willing to drop down and still secure my backup QB while still giving me the gigantic haul.
Ultimately I don't think that type of offer ever comes in. In reality, it would basically need to be the Jags who want Lawrence so badly they give us #2, #21, 2022 and 2023 1s and a 2 somewhere else in there for him. Then I could take Wilson at 2, trade Sam for a 2 and have something of a draft board that looks like this
2020 top 100 picks draft order per tankathon
#2
#25 (Seattle Pick)
#29 (Jags 2nd pick via Rams)
#33
#47 (SF 2nd rounder in a projected Sam trade)
#65
#89 (Seattle 3rd rounder)
2021
Jags 1st
Jets 1st
Seattle 1st
2022
Jags 1st
Jets 1st
That's a metric crap ton of draft capital. Which is a double edged sword for a few reasons. Obviously the chances to secure premium talent would basically be unprecedented in NFL history over a 3 year span. That gives us lots of opportunities to load up good young talent, and we can easily absorb a few misses (not that we would want any of course). But it introduces major cap ramifications when it comes time to resign these players. (Which I realize it would be a much better position to be in than any of us have experienced in our fandom) But with so much young talent coming due for new deals at the exact same time (with no end in sight in terms of needing to pay players) we would need to be very careful who we pay and how to keep those guys around.
Ultimately that's a excrement ton of fun to talk about. But it won't happen the Jags (or any franchise really) simply wouldn't be willing to give up that much. Jets will take Lawrence at 1 and we will enjoy all the greatness that will bring to our organization.
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2020, 07:02:24 AM
This is ignoring the part that the team has the resources outside of the #1 pick to sufficiently surround Lawrence with enough talent to succeed. There’s enough cap space and the team currently has enough picks to add another WR, RB and two capable offensive lineman without trading down. I also don’t see why they couldn’t add to the defense as well.
They have a ton of capital and cap space to surround a QB, it really just comes down to execution, using the money available and finding the right coach.
This is 100% bang on
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2020, 07:09:55 AM
If Sam wants to be the quarterback here, play like a top-5 pick the rest of the year and win a couple of these games. It's that simple. It's not necessarily fair, but it is what it is.
This statement frightens me because Christopher Johnson will use any kind of positive from this season as an excuse to retain Gase.
Some of you guys aren't going to want to read this but it has to be posted. 0-16 gives us the following:
-Gase fired
-Trevor Lawrence
-attracting upper tier coaching candidates as a result from having the #1 pick
three things this team needs to get back on track and turn it around.
Nobody wants to have their team branded with a 0-16 record in their history books. But there's been so much excrement that's happened to this franchise over the years, i'm already numb to it. To me, the pros outweigh the cons, and i want playoffs again in the near future. This is the path to get us there.....In the past, i'd be skeptical about this too. But i'm a believer in Joe Douglas. I believe he'll get us to the promised land.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 26, 2020, 07:12:14 AM
This statement frightens me because Christopher Johnson will use any kind of positive from this season as an excuse to retain Gase.
Some of you guys aren't going to want to read this but it has to be posted. 0-16 gives us the following:
-Gase fired
-Trevor Lawrence
-attracting upper tier coaching candidates as a result from having the #1 pick
three things this team needs to get back on track and turn it around.
Nobody wants to have their team branded with a 0-16 record in their history books. But there's been so much excrement that's happened to this franchise over the years, i'm already numb to it. To me, the pros outweigh the cons, and i want playoffs again in the near future. This is the path to get us there.
1-15 has the chance to give that to us as well. That's what we are all hoping for (aside from JE). I want us to be 1-15 and have all of that. If 0-16 is the only way to get it, then so be it. But it would be great to avoid the stink of 0-16. We can only hope the Jags have a win in them yet.
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2020, 07:16:16 AM
1-15 has the chance to give that to us as well. That's what we are all hoping for (aside from JE). I want us to be 1-15 and have all of that. If 0-16 is the only way to get it, then so be it. But it would be great to avoid the stink of 0-16. We can only hope the Jags have a win in them yet.
Like i said...landing Lawrence, a stellar coach, and turning this shitshow around clearly outweighs the stink of 0-16. Nobody wants 0-16, but i care more about this team's future than a single lost season.
Could you imagine if we went 2-14 and retained Gase? I think i just threw up a little.
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2020, 07:24:23 AM
Things i believe should be top priorities for the rest of this season:
-Securing that #1 pick
-Securing Becton's health
-Securing Mims' health
-Firing Gase and his entire coaching staff into the sun on Black Monday
Post by: Libero_2 on November 26, 2020, 07:32:18 AM
Like i said...landing Lawrence, a stellar coach, and turning this shitshow around clearly outweighs the stink of 0-16. Nobody wants 0-16, but i care more about this team's future than a single lost season.
Could you imagine if we went 2-14 and retained Gase? I think i just threw up a little.
Another note....we're officially eliminated from the playoffs. Any win from here on out is useless. This is on the premise that Jax doesn't get another win either (I don't believe in Luton or Glennon).
Things i believe should be top priorities for the rest of this season:
-Securing that #1 pick
-Securing Becton's health
-Securing Mims' health
-Firing Gase and his entire coaching staff into the sun on Black Monday
I don't think Gase's future lies in the difference between 0-16 and 2-14. His fate is decided already IMO. Hopefully the Johnson's just don't want to fire him midseason. But if Gase ends up retained at 2-14 it's because they think he's the right man for the job, and would keep him at 0-16. Doesn't mean we won't all throw up in our mouths and quite the franchise at least for a little bit.
Honestly, we just need everyone to be healthy. Becton, Mims, Davis, Hall, Clark, Perine, Q, JFM, Foley Fats, and probably most importantly Sam himself. If he's hurt, we can't trade him OR count on him to grow in the offseason into a new system, and we would clearly hope to have a new system with a new staff no matter what.
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2020, 07:45:31 AM
I don't think Gase's future lies in the difference between 0-16 and 2-14. His fate is decided already IMO. Hopefully the Johnson's just don't want to fire him midseason. But if Gase ends up retained at 2-14 it's because they think he's the right man for the job, and would keep him at 0-16. Doesn't mean we won't all throw up in our mouths and quite the franchise at least for a little bit.
Honestly, we just need everyone to be healthy. Becton, Mims, Davis, Hall, Clark, Perine, Q, JFM, Foley Fats, and probably most importantly Sam himself. If he's hurt, we can't trade him OR count on him to grow in the offseason into a new system, and we would clearly hope to have a new system with a new staff no matter what.
Nobody gets kept at 0-16, i know we've said this about a few things in the past but that would literally kill their fanbase revenue. And i don't really want to risk going 2-14 to find out if our ownership is stupid enough to retain him.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 26, 2020, 07:57:21 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2020, 08:15:34 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 26, 2020, 08:43:26 AM
^ she clearly fucks his wallet and not him.Would you care?
Post by: bojanglesman on November 26, 2020, 08:47:57 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 26, 2020, 08:51:03 AM
^ she clearly fucks his wallet and not him.
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Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2020, 08:57:27 AM
Fat guy in background lol
I thought you photoshopped Puck into the pic before posting it
Post by: MBGreen on November 26, 2020, 08:57:57 AM
Would you care?
Life isn't fair
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 26, 2020, 03:25:02 PM
If Sam wants to be the quarterback here, play like a top-5 pick the rest of the year and win a couple of these games. It's that simple. It's not necessarily fair, but it is what it is.
I've been saying the same. Low bar, start small, you're a franchise QB, win a game. One game. Or we get someone else.
Post by: Jumbo on November 26, 2020, 04:52:57 PM
Nobody gets kept at 0-16, i know we've said this about a few things in the past but that would literally kill their fanbase revenue. And i don't really want to risk going 2-14 to find out if our ownership is stupid enough to retain him.
Not even three years ago, the Browns kept Hue Jackson for a third season after he went 1-15 and then 0-16.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 26, 2020, 07:02:46 PM
Not even three years ago, the Browns kept Hue Jackson for a third season after he went 1-15 and then 0-16.
And then they fired him 4 weeks into the season. Signifying they no longer cared.
Which is probably exactly what we would do with Gase
Post by: Miamipuck on November 26, 2020, 11:37:07 PM
I thought you photoshopped Puck into the pic before posting it
You have 50 to 100 on me fatso.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 26, 2020, 11:37:59 PM
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He has a hot wife correct?
edit: nevermind
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Post by: Heismanberg on November 27, 2020, 10:12:49 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 27, 2020, 10:45:56 AM
Not even three years ago, the Browns kept Hue Jackson for a third season after he went 1-15 and then 0-16.
this is why the tank is vital and necessary. We can't go thru another season with Gase, especially with a new QB.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 27, 2020, 10:46:25 AM
Win two games and potentially salvage your job. Find a way. And if not, ball out down the stretch so a team will want to trade for you as their starter next season.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 27, 2020, 10:54:17 AM
Post by: MBGreen on November 27, 2020, 10:57:01 AM
I wish we'd just shut him down
+1
If he takes another hit to that shoulder and does more damage....that could mess with his trade value.
Post by: MBGreen on November 27, 2020, 10:58:29 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 27, 2020, 11:09:11 AM
Start White Mike for the rest of the season.
Probably better than Flacco.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 27, 2020, 11:24:54 AM
He's certainly been better than Sam Darnold this season
Post by: Johnny English on November 27, 2020, 12:48:10 PM
Quote
Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoSNY
With Sam Darnold playing and his "Three Dudes" at receiver all expected to play, Adam Gase said this is a chance for everyone to "see what maybe it could have been."
Sounds fairly fatalistic. Not sure if he's talking about himself, Sam or both.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 27, 2020, 12:54:36 PM
Sounds fairly fatalistic. Not sure if he's talking about himself, Sam or both.I think he's mostly talking about the season itself, but there's probably some self-awareness there for him, knowing this is probably the end.
I'm sure Gase looks at it like he had a garbage offensive line last season, and he had a revolving door of skill players this year, and that's a big reason why the last 2 years have been a disaster offensively. So now that everyone is healthy, he has a chance to finally unleash his offense on the world.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 27, 2020, 01:27:46 PM
Good article on his trade value and potential trade options.
Post by: Johnny English on November 27, 2020, 03:24:16 PM
https://theathletic.com/2222037/2020/11/27/who-should-trade-for-sam-darnold/
Good article on his trade value and potential trade options.
For those of you like me who are not subscribers, they have a subscription deal on for the next couple of days for $1/month for the next 12 months. You have to have no interest in sport to not take that deal.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 27, 2020, 07:21:31 PM
For those of you like me who are not subscribers, they have a subscription deal on for the next couple of days for $1/month for the next 12 months. You have to have no interest in sport to not take that deal.
got that excrement for free thanks to tmobile tuesdays. i may have still balked at the $1 deal on principle just because of how annoying i find some of these paywall subscription services to be, especially when you end up getting 'access' to the articles and find some of them to be riddled with spelling/grammatical errors LMAO
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 30, 2020, 05:07:21 PM
https://twitter.com/RobbySabo/status/1333547077616492544
Post by: insanity on November 30, 2020, 05:19:19 PM
Robby Sabo mentioned this during the game itself, and here's the breakdown. Bad miss by Darnold. Good play design. Crowder wide open for a TD. Darnold stares him down and doesn't throw it.Jesus christ that is bad
https://twitter.com/RobbySabo/status/1333547077616492544
Post by: ons on November 30, 2020, 05:35:49 PM
Robby Sabo mentioned this during the game itself, and here's the breakdown. Bad miss by Darnold. Good play design. Crowder wide open for a TD. Darnold stares him down and doesn't throw it.
https://twitter.com/RobbySabo/status/1333547077616492544
That was on third down - I know he says that Darnold sees Crowder, and you can't know for sure, but for my money I think Darnold is only 'seeing' the two routes that are at/near the first down mark, and then runs when they're covered. He's looking left, yeah, but doesn't actually process the deep routes at all. He's playing scared at the wrong times and then overcompensates with stupidly aggressive throws.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 30, 2020, 09:48:33 PM
That was on third down - I know he says that Darnold sees Crowder, and you can't know for sure, but for my money I think Darnold is only 'seeing' the two routes that are at/near the first down mark, and then runs when they're covered. He's looking left, yeah, but doesn't actually process the deep routes at all. He's playing scared at the wrong times and then overcompensates with stupidly aggressive throws.
I think it's multi faceted
1. This is something Heis mentioned in like week 3-4, but he doesn't trust what he is seeing, and he feels like there is someone about to jump out of someplace he isn't seeing and blow the play up/pick it off.
2. I bet you anything, most of his 'missed open guys' like we see here happen in the first half. Then somebody (probably Gase or Loggains) tells him to 'trust it and let it rip' most likely at half time, and then we see these absolutely awful plays/interceptions from him because he is trying trust what he sees and then low and behold it's a throw into double/triple coverage and here comes the INT's.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 01, 2020, 09:16:32 AM
Quote
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/why-bears-trade-sam-darnold-020522674.html
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 01, 2020, 10:36:11 AM
I’ll be glad if the Bears are stupid enough to do this but I don’t see anyone pulling a Miami for Josh Rosen, especially with this much bad tape on Darnold.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 01, 2020, 10:55:10 AM
Plus if he's brought in to start, then we are likely getting better draft compensation
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 11:07:45 AM
The Bears have been the team I long think is our best option. They are good enough to view themselves as a competent QB away, especially considering the start to the season they had. Then you realize they will win enough games to be outside the range of a top 3 QB, and no one should be expecting Trey Lance to be a day 1 starter for an NFL team, which is what they need. So they need another option. Sam is a guy with starting experience and has shown plenty of magic. Get the man some help and the f away from Gase, and I can see a team saying this is the right move for us.
Plus if he's brought in to start, then we are likely getting better draft compensation
Actually, i think out best option is still the Colts. Provided that Sam doesn't further pee away his value over the next few weeks.
If anyone can resurrect Sam, Frank Reich is a good candidate.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2020, 11:09:55 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2020, 11:13:06 AM
Kyle Shanahan should trade for Sam
you think Lynch will trade for another starting QB after the Garappolo debacle?
Post by: Libero_2 on December 02, 2020, 07:24:27 AM
Actually, i think out best option is still the Colts. Provided that Sam doesn't further pee away his value over the next few weeks.
If anyone can resurrect Sam, Frank Reich is a good candidate.
I'm thinking in terms of most likely to overpay. If Chicago finishes 7-9 and is somewhere in the 14-17 range, I can see them saying 'we are way outside range for a top QB, and it's too expensive to trade up. But this Sam Darnold guy...." Teams are innated going to be more likely to pay more for the guy they believe is their starter in 2021 than hoping he can start in 2022.
So I think teams like SF and Chicago are more likely to pay a premium than teams like the Steelers and Colts (unless their guy retires)
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 02, 2020, 08:09:13 AM
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 02, 2020, 08:14:51 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 08:20:37 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoPMbQ-XEAAY78Z?format=jpg&name=large)
speaking of Minshew....I'm hoping the Jags will start him soon. He's their best chance of getting them a win.
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 08:45:23 AM
speaking of Minshew....I'm hoping the Jags will start him soon. He's their best chance of getting them a win.
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
#Jaguars coach Doug Marrone announces that Mike Glennon at quarterback on Sunday vs. the #Vikings. Marrone continues to leave Gardner Minshew on the bench.
FFS
Post by: Heismanberg on December 02, 2020, 08:53:30 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 02, 2020, 09:40:20 AM
Minshew stinks tooHe gives them their best chance to win....and that's all i give a excrement about.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 02, 2020, 09:45:39 AM
My main point is that Minshew is a 6th-round pick that his team doesn't have any vested interest in without much talent around him, and he's been more productive than Darnold. Even if you give Darnold some benefit of the doubt for having a worse supporting cast and worse coaching staff, they're about equals.
If Darnold were drafted in any other round besides the 1st, we would think about him a lot differently.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 06, 2020, 09:22:53 AM
He gives them their best chance to win....and that's all i give a excrement about.
I really don't think he does
Post by: dcm1602 on December 06, 2020, 05:42:50 PM
Unless we somehow win out and completely freak our draft position, I can't see any scenario where Darnold has even a remote chance at a future here
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 06, 2020, 06:44:59 PM
I haven't been as vested in this season as usual mostly related to work. But the reality has finally set in for me that this is unquestionably it for Darnold.
Unless we somehow win out and completely freak our draft position, I can't see any scenario where Darnold has even a remote chance at a future here
i'll always have a soft spot for darnold because he seems like a good kid and he has an amazing amount of talent,and i would not be surprised if he reclaimed his career at some point
but it is what it is. he's literally broken now, moving on would be best for both the franchise and for darnold. it sucks losing but being in a situation where you are able to obtain a blue chip QB prospect without giving up a ton of draft capital, and with extra draft capital and cap space to potentially build a solid foundation around him, is at least hopeful for the future.
even if we built a solid group around darnold next year, i think he's still broken. we've fvcked him
Post by: bojanglesman on December 06, 2020, 06:47:59 PM
Post by: delavan on December 06, 2020, 07:14:05 PM
i'll always have a soft spot for darnold because he seems like a good kid...This +1.
As for the Jags (Glennon vs. Minshew): Glennon technically throws a nicer ball but he's also a statute who's INT prone (never liked him since he stunk up the joint vs. Aaron Rogers' little brother Jordan in the Music City Bowl). Minshew's no prize either but he can extend plays and the Jags' defense is just good enough that they could squeak out a win vs. the (by then) playoff-eliminated Bears.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 06, 2020, 07:17:50 PM
i'll always have a soft spot for darnold because he seems like a good kid and he has an amazing amount of talent,and i would not be surprised if he reclaimed his career at some point
but it is what it is. he's literally broken now, moving on would be best for both the franchise and for darnold. it sucks losing but being in a situation where you are able to obtain a blue chip QB prospect without giving up a ton of draft capital, and with extra draft capital and cap space to potentially build a solid foundation around him, is at least hopeful for the future.
even if we built a solid group around darnold next year, i think he's still broken. we've fvcked him
As long as he goes to (almost) any team out of the AFC east it would be hard to not cheer for whatever team he ends up on, especially if Lawrence doesn't suck.
Though if Lawrence ends up looking like excrement and Darnold becomes what we all thought he would be. It would likely bring on an entirely new era of misery
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 06, 2020, 07:26:30 PM
I don't think Darnold is broken. He's broken here. He could go on to be a pretty decent QB somewhere else, or a good backup. I could see him going to Indy behind Rivers.
i have hopes for him to reclaim his career but i am so serious about how we've FUBAR'd his development so far.
Post by: MBGreen on December 06, 2020, 07:34:59 PM
He's turned himself into a 'reclamation project' for next year.
His most favorable landing spot is probably the Colts with honorable mention to the Niners. I think Frank Reich/Kyle Shanahan could turn him around.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 08, 2020, 01:52:22 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 08, 2020, 01:53:21 PM
Re-watched the game last night because I always have a lot going on Sundays. I didn't notice on Sam's TD run, he delivered the hit and knocked the freak out of #38 to get in the end zone. Probably a lot of frustration in that hit, dude had no chance, staggered off the field.
Pretty sure he gave him a concussion
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 08, 2020, 01:54:04 PM
Pretty sure he gave him a concussion
Glad he led with the left shoulder, he's learned that much.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 14, 2020, 03:21:36 AM
Even if we somehow win one of the last 3 games, our top pick pretty much has to be a quarterback. I don't see how you can have any faith Darnold is the answer. Joe Flacco has more passing touchdowns in half as many attempts. Whether it's Fields, Lance, Wilson, or Trask, the Jets need to take a quarterback in the first round.
I was hoping Darnold would make it difficult to get rid of him where it would up his trade value and make it sad to watch him go, but now I think we may be lucky to get a Day 2 pick for him.
Post by: MBGreen on December 14, 2020, 07:10:20 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 14, 2020, 07:17:03 AM
But Lawrence has to be wearing green next year.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2020, 08:22:29 AM
He's probably worth a conditional 5th rounder at this point. Thanks Gase.Maybe a little time and PR massaging can help increase that. Plus he is a QB.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 14, 2020, 08:26:15 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2020, 08:26:45 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 14, 2020, 08:33:31 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2020, 08:36:43 AM
If there’s a heavy run on QBs in the draft and Trask, Lance, and Mac Jones go in the 1st round, I could see a team flipping a mid round pick for Darnold if they’re left out in the cold. There’s a bunch of teams with aging QBs and no succession plan.
I think we'll likely trade him before the draft, during in free agency at some point. San Francisco, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and Chicago make sense.
Post by: MBGreen on December 14, 2020, 08:52:07 AM
I think we'll likely trade him before the draft, during in free agency at some point. San Francisco, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and Chicago make sense.
Darnold is basically a reclamation project now. It's probably going to be a conditional 5th that can escalate to a 4th depending on playing time. Maybe we can do a little better because Douglas knows how to fleece teams.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 14, 2020, 08:55:40 AM
Even with how bad he's looked, you're talking about the worst team in the league, one of the worst of all time. Everyone's going to look shitty
The fact is you're talking about a high pedigree young QB who previously showed promise, under contract for next to nothing.
And a 2nd round pick ain't worth much.
Sure is say it's safe to say there's a better chance than not that Darnold doesn't pan out for a future team, but I think he's worth it.
I'm my opinion, I'd like to see a conditional trade. Something like a 3rd for Darnold, and if he's on their team the following season we also get a 2nd or something to that effect.
Makes the trade low risk for any team, while gives us the chance to get solid value for him.
Post by: MBGreen on December 14, 2020, 08:57:02 AM
I think Sam fetching less than a 2nd is absolutely freaking batshit crazy
Even with how bad he's looked, you're talking about the worst team in the league, one of the worst of all time. Everyone's going to look shitty
The fact is you're talking about a high pedigree young QB who previously showed promise, under contract for next to nothing.
And a 2nd round pick ain't worth much.
Sure is say it's safe to say there's a better chance than not that Darnold doesn't pan out for a future team, but I think he's worth it.
I'm my opinion, I'd like to see a conditional trade. Something like a 3rd for Darnold, and if he's on their team the following season we also get a 2nd or something to that effect.
Makes the trade low risk for any team, while gives us the chance to get solid value for him.
He can't even read a defense. Dude is broken.
Gase did exactly what most thought he would...destroy a potential franchise QB.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2020, 09:04:12 AM
He can't even read a defense. Dude is broken.Oddly enough, Darnold may get a favorable view BECAUSE teams know he has Gase as a coach holding him down. Compare him to someone like Carson Wentz, who played poorly and had what most people consider a pretty good coach calling the offense. Which guy is more likely to improve in a brand new setting?
Gase did exactly what most thought he would...destroy a potential franchise QB.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2020, 09:06:24 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 14, 2020, 09:06:45 AM
Oddly enough, Darnold may get a favorable view BECAUSE teams know he has Gase as a coach holding him down.
I agree with you. But that won't stop teams from lowballing the excrement out of Douglas.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2020, 09:08:18 AM
I agree with you. But that won't stop teams from lowballing the excrement out of Douglas.If it's only a 5th rounder, I'd keep him as a backup.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 14, 2020, 09:27:04 AM
If it's only a 5th rounder, I'd keep him as a backup.
I wouldn’t, we already have a developmental QB 3 prospect and I don’t want Darnold coming in for anyone in case of injury.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2020, 09:28:09 AM
If it's only a 5th rounder, I'd keep him as a backup.
Can't keep him because we've have a moronic portion of the fanbase still rooting for him to take the job away from Trevor Lawrence.
I STILL BELIEVE!
Post by: dcm1602 on December 14, 2020, 09:29:23 AM
Can't keep him because we've have a moronic portion of the fanbase still rooting for him to take the job away from Trevor Lawrence.
I STILL BELIEVE!
Wed get a 3rd round comp pick for letting him walk
And even believing in Darnold, who would give him a new contract after drafting Lawrence?
We wouldn't offer him anything he would take
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2020, 09:30:48 AM
Wed get a 3rd round comp pick for letting him walk
Highly doubt that
Post by: dcm1602 on December 14, 2020, 09:32:43 AM
Highly doubt that
I don't
A young QB with potential available as a free agent?
Dudes getting at least 8 figures easily, and that's for a single season.
Post by: MBGreen on December 14, 2020, 09:35:04 AM
I don't
A young QB with potential available as a free agent?
Dudes getting at least 8 figures easily, and that's for a single season.
I don't think you realize how wrecked Darnold is
Post by: dcm1602 on December 14, 2020, 09:57:31 AM
I don't think you realize how wrecked Darnold is
I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert
But if you Google anything that triggers Darnold getting traded (excluding message boards)
The odds of us getting less than a 2nd for him is zero. And I sincerely believe that.
Now if he suffers a catastrophic injury or needs surgery that's a whole different story.
But assuming he leaves this season in one piece, there's no freaking way anyone convinces me we get less than a 2nd.
Obviously we're all completely ignorant and speculating, my self included. But by all means bump this when Darnold gets tradeded
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2020, 10:00:43 AM
2 is possible, but unlikely IMO.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 14, 2020, 10:04:03 AM
Recent precedent is Rosen going for a 2nd but it was after only one season. He didn't flash as much as Darnold but Darnold also has a greater body of bad work on tape now. And after another year of showing nothing Rosen is now on a practice squad.
2 is possible, but unlikely IMO.
The lack of tape on Rosen and his status as a first round pick just a year before were the two biggest factors that led to such a favorable trade for the Cardinals.
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2020, 10:30:11 AM
The lack of tape on Rosen and his status as a first round pick just a year before were the two biggest factors that led to such a favorable trade for the Cardinals.I agree.
Post by: Johnny English on December 14, 2020, 10:32:17 AM
The lack of tape on Rosen and his status as a first round pick just a year before were the two biggest factors that led to such a favorable trade for the Cardinals.Also the fact that he had 3 years left on his rookie deal, whereas Sam only has one.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 14, 2020, 11:56:15 AM
I'm not going to pretend I'm an expertIt's insane to think there's zero chance his value is worth less than a 2nd. I may be overly pessimistic about his trade value, but I think a 2nd is the best case scenario.
But if you Google anything that triggers Darnold getting traded (excluding message boards)
The odds of us getting less than a 2nd for him is zero. And I sincerely believe that.
Now if he suffers a catastrophic injury or needs surgery that's a whole different story.
But assuming he leaves this season in one piece, there's no freaking way anyone convinces me we get less than a 2nd.
Obviously we're all completely ignorant and speculating, my self included. But by all means bump this when Darnold gets tradeded
All it takes is one team that believes in Darnold. But I don't think a team can trade for him expecting Sam to be its starter, and with that being the case, I think a 3rd or 4th is the most likely outcome as of now.
Post by: ons on December 14, 2020, 12:01:16 PM
Recent precedent is Rosen going for a 2nd but it was after only one season. He didn't flash as much as Darnold but Darnold also has a greater body of bad work on tape now. And after another year of showing nothing Rosen is now on a practice squad.
2 is possible, but unlikely IMO.
On the other hand, I have to think that the comps for a 3rd are somewhat favorable for us? Tyrod Taylor was traded straight up for a 3rd and we sent Teddy to the Saints for a 3rd, both in 2018. Both of them were traded for by teams that didn't expect them to start.
I'd guess it'll be something that offers some performance based flexibility, like Darnold and a 2021 6th for a 2021 4th and a conditional 2022 2nd/3rd.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2020, 04:54:50 PM
The Bollinger season was always the low point of my NYJ fandom. This season is certainly worse.
It's more than Adam Gase at this point. Joe Flacco, who is a shell of himself, has outplayed Sam Darnold this year in the same exactly offense.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 14, 2020, 05:00:14 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2020, 05:01:05 PM
When they don't experience success, it's hard to find success. The great ones will elevate everyone that's there.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 14, 2020, 05:03:39 PM
https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1338582198383947777?s=20
The Bollinger season was always the low point of my NYJ fandom. This season is certainly worse.
It's more than Adam Gase at this point. Joe Flacco, who is a shell of himself, has outplayed Sam Darnold this year in the same exactly offense.
Coles
Cotchery
Curtis Martin
Wayne Chrebet
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2020, 05:09:24 PM
ColesCurtis Martin was a shell of himself in 2005 and Chrebet nearly died on the field, IIRC, on a pass from Bollinger.
Cotchery
Curtis Martin
Wayne Chrebet
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1338582198383947777?s=20Amazing how similar the sample size is.
The Bollinger season was always the low point of my NYJ fandom. This season is certainly worse.
It's more than Adam Gase at this point. Joe Flacco, who is a shell of himself, has outplayed Sam Darnold this year in the same exactly offense.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 14, 2020, 05:27:59 PM
Amazing how similar the sample size is.And it's MUCH easier to put up numbers now.
Back when Bollywood was QB, having a positive TD-Int ratio often meant you were a relatively effective quarterback. Now, that's the absolute bare minimum for success.
The 2005 season wasn't nearly as bad as this year, mostly because of what that team had done in previous years. They were 2-5, but Herm had already shown he could pull a 2-5 team back into the playoffs. The 8th game that year came off a bye against the Chargers, and they nearly came back and won in a great comeback.
Then in 3 of the next 4 games after that Chargers game, they didn't score a touchdown, and that ended up being depressing.
2016 was my least favorite season of the decade prior to this year. The Bills game on Thursday night in Week 2 was one of the more fun regular season games we've had in a while, and it had the cool post-game moment between a bloody Fitz and Mangold. But then Fitz threw 6 picks against the Chiefs, and I quickly turned on the players and coaching staff on that team. Revis didn't give a crap, Fitz didn't look like he gave a crap, and I did a full 180 on Bowles. Plus, I thought Bryce Petty was garbage from the moment we drafted him, so it was depressing watching him.
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
The 2005 season wasn't nearly as bad as this year, mostly because of what that team had done in previous years. They were 2-5, but Herm had already shown he could pull a 2-5 team back into the playoffs. The 8th game that year came off a bye against the Chargers, and they nearly came back and won in a great comeback.
I was at this game, my friend and I made the mistake of eating Premio's at halftime and then preceded to go nuts for the whole near-comeback. Thought I was gonna barf sausage by the end of it.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 14, 2020, 05:53:34 PM
So was I. I remember having a lot of fun during this comeback. This game is my primary memory of that season.
I was at this game, my friend and I made the mistake of eating Premio's at halftime and then preceded to go nuts for the whole near-comeback. Thought I was gonna barf sausage by the end of it.
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2020, 06:10:41 PM
So was I. I remember having a lot of fun during this comeback. This game is my primary memory of that season.Games like that are why 2005 isn't as bad as 2007 was for me.
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2020, 06:16:52 PM
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Post by: Libero_2 on December 14, 2020, 06:39:38 PM
Sad
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The man has always been a nearly perfect interview from the standpoint of always saying the right thing no matter the situation.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 14, 2020, 06:56:50 PM
I think we'll likely trade him before the draft, during in free agency at some point. San Francisco, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and Chicago make sense.
i think/like SF the best out of those teams. decent team/weapons, goes back to the west coast where i'm sure being closer to family will help (not that the east coast or NY was actually a problem for him; i think his above comments about how he loves being here were made in earnest), and is paired up with a good offensive mind who will embolden him/improve him/fill him with confidence, and not a fvckin dumb turd who literally cannot get over a bewildering perseveration over his toothless playsheet.
i'm hoping he ends up there. will be really easy to root for him
And a 2nd round pick ain't worth much.
i think this is an absolutely crazy statement to make.
Post by: Johnny English on December 14, 2020, 07:18:14 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2020, 07:36:50 PM
I think the Giants make some sense as well. They're not wedded to Jones and if they win the division they're not drafting high enough to get one of the better prospects.
That would be a PR nightmare
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 14, 2020, 07:48:35 PM
Curtis Martin was a shell of himself in 2005 and Chrebet nearly died on the field, IIRC, on a pass from Bollinger.
This was the year Zach Thomas injured Martin in, I want to say, week 2.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 14, 2020, 07:50:49 PM
I think the Giants make some sense as well. They're not wedded to Jones and if they win the division they're not drafting high enough to get one of the better prospects.We aren't trading Darnold to the Giants. If we make fun of the Giants for taking Saquon over Darnold, then trade Darnold to the Giants, then he turns into what Jets fans hoped he would be and wins a Super Bowl, it would be as big a nightmare as it gets.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 14, 2020, 08:10:47 PM
Curtis Martin was a shell of himself in 2005 and Chrebet nearly died on the field, IIRC, on a pass from Bollinger.
In that Chargers game, around the 5 yard line, ended his career. It was the very moment I was carrying my younger daughter into our house for the first time.
Post by: Johnny English on December 14, 2020, 08:18:33 PM
We aren't trading Darnold to the Giants. If we make fun of the Giants for taking Saquon over Darnold, then trade Darnold to the Giants, then he turns into what Jets fans hoped he would be and wins a Super Bowl, it would be as big a nightmare as it gets.
Not Douglas's nightmare. He's already traded a first round pick in the last year of his contract to the Giants so there's precedent. If they offer more than anyone else I have zero doubt that he will do that deal.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 14, 2020, 09:37:05 PM
Not Douglas's nightmare. He's already traded a first round pick in the last year of his contract to the Giants so there's precedent. If they offer more than anyone else I have zero doubt that he will do that deal.
we made out like bandits in that deal, leonard williams isn't good and gettleman was stupid enough to give us premium value for him. we were fairly certain of what williams' ceiling as a player would be when we traded him. for all of his shittyness you cannot argue against darnold having serious talent and how he's been placed in the worst playing conditions possible with us. i feel like those are completely different situations
regardless, the upside of a possible darnold acquisition isn't innately contrarian enough for that menace gettleman to consider making that sort of trade. he's like the kyrie irving of nfl GMs
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 14, 2020, 09:44:58 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2020, 09:45:53 PM
If we somehow don't get Lawrence I still think Darnold could be a good QB here. He's still very young, with a new staff and some help it's not impossible. Becton and Mims are a good start.
No, he’s toast
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 14, 2020, 09:49:09 PM
No, he’s toast
You think? I mean it's no guarantee but it seems early to write him off.
Post by: Jumbo on December 14, 2020, 10:04:29 PM
You think? I mean it's no guarantee but it seems early to write him off.
Have you seen him play recently?
He might not be done completely but hard to see him continue to be here after this season.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 14, 2020, 10:06:00 PM
Have you seen him play recently?
He might not be done completely but hard to see him continue to be here after this season.
Seafood literally has not seen him play because he listens to the games on the radio like it’s the 40s
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2020, 10:13:45 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 14, 2020, 10:15:34 PM
I've also checked out of the play calling drama, but it sounded like they don't let him change the plays at the line. So it's not like I don't see the flaws, I'm just not sure how much of it is his fault and how much could be fixed with competent coaching, some blocking and a running game.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 14, 2020, 10:59:27 PM
he is done here, for his sake and ours he needs to be on a new team
Post by: dcm1602 on December 14, 2020, 11:07:17 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 14, 2020, 11:16:37 PM
But there's a number of QB's who are having severely fucked up seasons/massive signs of regression this year
And I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that the lack of practices/OTAs/offseason will likely have impacted some QB's moderately to severely.
Now you can't say it's universal, but there's a number of guys (Darnold, Jones, Wentz, Garappollo, Jackson,) where it's like holy excrement what the freak happened
Post by: dcm1602 on December 14, 2020, 11:25:20 PM
I think they'd have one of the very best shots at redeeming him
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 15, 2020, 02:50:01 AM
Talking about the Giants trading for Darnold is 10,000 times more cracked out than me saying there's no way we get less than a 2nd for himTruth.
It is impossible to know Darnold's value. Jameis Winston was a #1 pick who actually had more success than Darnold and had no interest. Other quarterbacks you might think have little interest get mid-round picks dealt for them. All in the eye of the beholder.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 06:08:33 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 15, 2020, 10:03:46 AM
Seafood literally has not seen him play because he listens to the games on the radio like it’s the 40s
I was looking for some insight from you, since you're a coach, aside from the old radio gag. Sorry I can't plan every Sunday around a team that has given me no reason to even care in years. Do you not think he has the skills? Decision making? Can't be fixed? What exactly is toast?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 10:11:42 AM
I was looking for some insight from you, since you're a coach, aside from the old radio gag. Sorry I can't plan every Sunday around a team that has given me no reason to even care in years. Do you not think he has the skills? Decision making? Can't be fixed? What exactly is toast?
Darnold has all the talent in the world. What's going on with him can't be fixed unless he takes a few years off to sit behind someone else. We don't have the luxury to sit around and wait for him to figure things out. I'm not sure that he ever will.
He's become gun-shy and absolutely cannot read coverage. Fatal flaws in quarterbacking.
For all of the Tony Romo comparisons that we've seen, Darnold has been absolutely brutal off-script.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 10:17:15 AM
The Jets need a fresh start and so does he.
I know we want to bring of David Carr because of what happened to him in Houston, but it hasn't been that bad for Sam Darnold. His situation reminds me more of Joey Harrington - bad coaching, inconsistent supporting cast, and mental erosion. Joey Blue Skies all over again...
Tim Couch is a fair comparison to make at this point too.
Post by: Gorilla on December 15, 2020, 10:28:03 AM
Sam Darnold is mentally done right now. He's lost all trust in his ability, his supporting cast, and the play-calling.
The Jets need a fresh start and so does he.
Agree, and it's a killer to see it happen. I'll always be a Sam fan, like most here.
Even in post-game pressers he's a dejected, different person than he appeared in his rookie year. (which is kind of unsurprising on this excrement-circus team). His confidence is in the dumps. He reads defenses like a rookie. Gase and Loggains have actively tried to butcher his career, it seems.
Catapulting Gase into a landfill is step one for this team's future. We can only go up and improve at HC, and I have confidence that JD is a superior GM to the previous two worst GMs in the NFL that were on the job for us.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 10:35:29 AM
We can only go up and improve at H
You say that now, but Lovie Smith is back on the market
Post by: reuben on December 15, 2020, 10:40:33 AM
Alex Smith took until his 7th season to be good and I give every QB I like the same benefit of the doubt.
I think Sam'll eventually figure it out. He needs a few seasons on the bench but he's such a high character guy that he'll get his opportunities.
I have absolutely no idea what his trade value is for us. I'd be content with a 3rd and thrilled for a 2nd. There's just so much bad tape.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 15, 2020, 12:12:50 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 15, 2020, 01:36:45 PM
New England, indy Jacksonville, possibly Pittsburgh, Washington, San Francisco, Chicago, Detroit, and the entire nfc south minus probably Atlanta (I guess Ryan's contract means he's got 2 more years)
Even if 4 of those teams draft QB's in the first, that leaves plenty of room for a competitive market.
Hell the thought of trading him to the nfc south is great since they'd literally be competing against their entire division for him.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 15, 2020, 01:42:31 PM
Darnold has all the talent in the world. What's going on with him can't be fixed unless he takes a few years off to sit behind someone else. We don't have the luxury to sit around and wait for him to figure things out. I'm not sure that he ever will.
He's become gun-shy and absolutely cannot read coverage. Fatal flaws in quarterbacking.
For all of the Tony Romo comparisons that we've seen, Darnold has been absolutely brutal off-script.
Now I got you. You mentioned off-script, it seems like the first drive he's assertive, the ball comes right out, he's accurate. Between that and his ability to extend plays and drives by running, every game I feel like "here we go" and then we can't move the rest of the game. Some time to watch I agree with, it seemed like the first two years he was better when he came back after being out, but not this year.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 01:47:49 PM
Now I got you. You mentioned off-script, it seems like the first drive he's assertive, the ball comes right out, he's accurate. Between that and his ability to extend plays and drives by running, every game I feel like "here we go" and then we can't move the rest of the game. Some time to watch I agree with, it seemed like the first two years he was better when he came back after being out, but not this year.
By off-script, I mean if his initial read isn't there, he panics. He has no feel in the pocket. He'll bail and run to the sideline or he'll force the pass immediately.
One of his best traits coming into the league was his ability to keep plays alive. He just doesn't do that anymore. He won't even throw the ball away at times. It's hopeless.
I haven't seen Sam call an audible in a few weeks. I could've just missed it, but I really can't recall him making any checks.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 15, 2020, 01:55:11 PM
By off-script, I mean if his initial read isn't there, he panics. He has no feel in the pocket. He'll bail and run to the sideline or he'll force the pass immediately.
One of his best traits coming into the league was his ability to keep plays alive. He just doesn't do that anymore. He won't even throw the ball away at times. It's hopeless.
I haven't seen Sam call an audible in a few weeks. I could've just missed it, but I really can't recall him making any checks.
Didn't Gase say post game a couple weeks back, that they don't want him or don't let him change the calls? Is that even possible? Maybe because he's young, but he's played a few years. You think about Pennington, how smart he was, but he played four years at Marshall and sat 2+ seasons behind Vinny, he was like 26 when he finally got in games.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 01:58:18 PM
Post by: Jumbo on December 15, 2020, 02:01:30 PM
If the quarterback doesn't have the ability to change a call or a protection at the line of scrimmage then what is the point of even playing?
Maybe that's just where offense is going? Can't find any definitive source besides this but I also remember hearing that Gase will not let Darnold change calls at the line. Not sure about protections.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/21/adam-gase-wouldnt-let-sam-darnold-audible-on-fourth-and-1/
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 02:04:25 PM
Maybe that's just where offense is going? Can't find any definitive source besides this but I also remember hearing that Gase will not let Darnold change calls at the line. Not sure about protections.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/21/adam-gase-wouldnt-let-sam-darnold-audible-on-fourth-and-1/
I mean the guy rarely uses his timeouts, so essentially Gase/Loggains are just calling a play and not giving a excrement about what kind of defense they are facing.
Makes you wonder why we're the league's worst offense.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 15, 2020, 02:04:48 PM
Maybe that's just where offense is going? Can't find any definitive source besides this but I also remember hearing that Gase will not let Darnold change calls at the line. Not sure about protections.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/21/adam-gase-wouldnt-let-sam-darnold-audible-on-fourth-and-1/
Your link is from the 49ers game in September, I remember hearing this a couple weeks ago, also in reference to a 4th and 1 where Gore got stuffed in the backfield. It was Gase himself on the post game when they asked him about the call.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 02:10:36 PM
That iso to Frank Gore with no lead blocker on 4th and short is all-time awful situational football.
Last week, he called a toss stretch on 2nd and 1. Throw the football or run it up the gut. That's common sense. Instead, we toss it against a team with ridiculous sideline-to-sideline speed and they tackle us for a loss.
I've defended the guy for not having much to work with over the past two years, but his play-calling has always been indefensible. It's maddeningly terrible every week.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 15, 2020, 02:18:29 PM
Gase has just done smooth brain excrement for weeks.
That iso to Frank Gore with no lead blocker on 4th and short is all-time awful situational football.
Last week, he called a toss stretch on 2nd and 1. Throw the football or run it up the gut. That's common sense. Instead, we toss it against a team with ridiculous sideline-to-sideline speed and they tackle us for a loss.
I've defended the guy for not having much to work with over the past two years, but his play-calling has always been indefensible. It's maddeningly terrible every week.
The 2nd & 1 call led to a 3rd & 6 incompletion, then a missed FG, and we were inside the 20.
This is what I'm saying about Darnold, if he had better in-game coaching maybe he'd look all game more like he does on the first drive. I have to assume we'll have a new coach with a better plan next year, again, if we somehow don't get Lawrence.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 15, 2020, 02:23:29 PM
I have to assume we'll have a new coach with a better plan next year, again, if we somehow don't get Lawrence.
Even if we don't get Trevor Lawrence, I think the new coaching staff will want whoever QB2 is on their board. Darnold is too far gone. If he had a couple years left on his deal, it would make more sense to hang on to him if we don't have the #1 overall pick.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 15, 2020, 03:45:53 PM
Even if we don't get Trevor Lawrence, I think the new coaching staff will want whoever QB2 is on their board. Darnold is too far gone. If he had a couple years left on his deal, it would make more sense to hang on to him if we don't have the #1 overall pick.Or if Darnold had played remotely decently.
Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow entered the league averaging 288 and 268 yards per game. Don't think Sam has reached that mark once all season.
Tua has 9 TD and 1 Int in fewer games than Darnold has 5 TD and 9 Int.
Darnold's numbers show that he's the worst full-time quarterback in the NFL. It's not particularly close. If he's a rookie doing that, we would be nervous about his future, but we'd bring him back. If he were a 2nd-year QB, same thing. But you can't do what Sam has done in his 3rd year in the NFL and expect a new coach to want to tie his future to him.
The only reason to stick with him is because of his pre-draft stock, and that isn't enough entering year 4. If we were on a remotely competitive team, Darnold would have been benched by now.
Unfortunately, Sam has made it an easy decision to move on from him.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 15, 2020, 09:50:59 PM
Or if Darnold had played remotely decently.
Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow entered the league averaging 288 and 268 yards per game. Don't think Sam has reached that mark once all season.
Tua has 9 TD and 1 Int in fewer games than Darnold has 5 TD and 9 Int.
Darnold's numbers show that he's the worst full-time quarterback in the NFL. It's not particularly close. If he's a rookie doing that, we would be nervous about his future, but we'd bring him back. If he were a 2nd-year QB, same thing. But you can't do what Sam has done in his 3rd year in the NFL and expect a new coach to want to tie his future to him.
The only reason to stick with him is because of his pre-draft stock, and that isn't enough entering year 4. If we were on a remotely competitive team, Darnold would have been benched by now.
Unfortunately, Sam has made it an easy decision to move on from him.
i'm as big a darnold critic as any, but i can't give him any blame; i can only call out bad play when i see it. but this isn't sam's fault; our team's decisions made it easy for us to move on from him. on a team with sensible roster construction and without cancer at the HC position, sam is not the player we are seeing out there today.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 15, 2020, 11:47:02 PM
i'm as big a darnold critic as any, but i can't give him any blame
This statement is completely insane. You can't give statistically the worst QB in the NFL any blame?
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our team's decisions made it easy for us to move on from him. on a team with sensible roster construction and without cancer at the HC position, sam is not the player we are seeing out there today.
This may be right, but it's not the reality we are currently living in. We gave Darnold poor coaching, a poor offensive line, and never gave him many skilled pass catchers. We made it extremely difficult for him, and we helped ruin him. Now we are dealing with the consequences of that, and we need to decide what to do with him moving forward.
He's still young and has talent and can hopefully figure it out with better coaching for his sake. But he is absolutely part of the problem. Last year, I would have agreed that Sam isn't the problem, but I also graded him on a bit of a curve since he was young. This year, Sam is a big part of the problem, and it's a shame.
If it were a bad QB draft, this would be a different discussion. If we don't get the #1 pick, it's still a discussion, but the way he's played, it still probably has to be a QB.
Yes, maybe Sam can be rehabilitated with better coaching. Maybe someone like Mitchell Trubisky can, too. I just googled a Bears message board to see if there was a quick way to see the pulse on Trubisky and compare it to Darnold. Sure enough, five posts into the first Trubisky thread is a sentiment that I've read a number of times. Replace Nagy's name with Gase, and you have arguments I've read all season about Darnold.
https://www.chicitysports.com/forum/threads/trubisky-is-so-lucky.80281/#post-3527522
Post by: dcm1602 on December 16, 2020, 02:04:03 AM
Even if we don't get Trevor Lawrence, I think the new coaching staff will want whoever QB2 is on their board. Darnold is too far gone. If he had a couple years left on his deal, it would make more sense to hang on to him if we don't have the #1 overall pick.
Can't pretend I have a firm grip on Douglas mindset and we don't even have a hint at who the next coach is.
But I imagine if Lawrence isn't an option, then you need to seriously weigh what we can get for Darnold vs what we could get for the 2nd pick.
If Darnolds not getting us a top 2 round pick and teams are offering us something closer to rg3 compensation for the 2nd, then I think it's not unreasonable to trade the pick and draft someone that could ride the bench for a year while Darnold plays things out.
I agree it's a done deal that we draft a QB, but if we don't have the first pick then there's a excrement ton of possibilities
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 16, 2020, 02:01:07 PM
This statement is completely insane. You can't give statistically the worst QB in the NFL any blame?
i think you mistook what i was trying to say and maybe i said it incorrectly. there is no problem being critical of sam's poor play. he is playing like excrement. of course he deserves to be criticized for playing like that. i meant that we can't hold his poor play against him as the reason that he is no longer here with us or as the reason that he failed here. i posit that we can take any single QB ever alive and put him in the same excrement situations and conditions sam was in, and they would not be able to find any success. if we drafted lamar jackson in 2018, we'd be saying bye to him after this year. if we drafted aaron rodgers in 2018, we'd be saying bye to him after this year.
we are literally the reason why he turned out this way. we fcked him up. it would be like taking a brand new baby with a completely clean slate that's brimming full of potential, beating it down and teaching it evil things every single day of its life, and then getting mad at it when it turns out to be an evil piece of excrement.
even with something like sam leaving a bunch of plays on the field. he totally deserves blame for that, but what is going on there? what happened? he wasn't leaving this many plays on the field as a rookie. he literally would not freak out with time in the pocket as a rookie. protection and time in the pocket is so foreign to him now that he totally bugs the fvck out and implausibly bails on plays when he's standing back there for greater than 2 seconds. yeah sam needs to be criticized for that, and he's done here and needs to go, but we are absolutely the underlying blame for all of this
Post by: Miamipuck on December 16, 2020, 02:53:55 PM
i think you mistook what i was trying to say and maybe i said it incorrectly. there is no problem being critical of sam's poor play. he is playing like excrement. of course he deserves to be criticized for playing like that. i meant that we can't hold his poor play against him as the reason that he is no longer here with us or as the reason that he failed here. i posit that we can take any single QB ever alive and put him in the same excrement situations and conditions sam was in, and they would not be able to find any success. if we drafted lamar jackson in 2018, we'd be saying bye to him after this year. if we drafted aaron rodgers in 2018, we'd be saying bye to him after this year.
we are literally the reason why he turned out this way. we fcked him up. it would be like taking a brand new baby with a completely clean slate that's brimming full of potential, beating it down and teaching it evil things every single day of its life, and then getting mad at it when it turns out to be an evil piece of excrement.
even with something like sam leaving a bunch of plays on the field. he totally deserves blame for that, but what is going on there? what happened? he wasn't leaving this many plays on the field as a rookie. he literally would not freak out with time in the pocket as a rookie. protection and time in the pocket is so foreign to him now that he totally bugs the fvck out and implausibly bails on plays when he's standing back there for greater than 2 seconds. yeah sam needs to be criticized for that, and he's done here and needs to go, but we are absolutely the underlying blame for all of this
So you're saying Sam is BTK? That's even more batshit insane. Are you on drugs?
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 16, 2020, 05:22:00 PM
So you're saying Sam is BTK? That's even more batshit insane. Are you on drugs?
sorry, i am completely lost. what is BTK
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 16, 2020, 05:30:11 PM
sorry, i am completely lost. what is BTK
Only acronym I know that works is a serial killer from Kansas.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 16, 2020, 05:53:08 PM
sorry, i am completely lost. what is BTK
Only acronym I know that works is a serial killer from Kansas.Jesus, I should have said Ted Bundy or maybe Dahmer, he preyed on your kind.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 16, 2020, 05:55:12 PM
Jesus, I should have said Ted Bundy.
So now that I was right with the acronym I’m even more confused. Full nurture affect for serial killers and psychopaths?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 16, 2020, 05:59:01 PM
So now that I was right with the acronym I’m even more confused. Full nurture affect for serial killers and psychopaths?
Confused huh?
we are literally the reason why he turned out this way. we fcked him up. it would be like taking a brand new baby with a completely clean slate that's brimming full of potential, beating it down and teaching it evil things every single day of its life, and then getting mad at it when it turns out to be an evil piece of excrement.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 16, 2020, 06:45:39 PM
Only acronym I know that works is a serial killer from Kansas.
This is where I got lost too.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 16, 2020, 08:30:29 PM
Post by: delavan on December 16, 2020, 10:36:06 PM
What just happened
I think Puck just dropped off the Radar, not sure
Post by: Miamipuck on December 16, 2020, 11:09:41 PM
Jesus, I should have said Ted Bundy or maybe Dahmer, he preyed on your kind.
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2020, 11:17:21 PM
What just happenedJAJ
Post by: Miamipuck on December 17, 2020, 02:14:14 PM
JAJ
Yes!
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 17, 2020, 02:48:19 PM
Jesus, I should have said Ted Bundy or maybe Dahmer, he preyed on your kind.
This doesn't get funnier every time you post it.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 17, 2020, 02:59:14 PM
This doesn't get funnier every time you post it.
Oh excuse me let me post in the BLM thread, then all will be well.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on December 18, 2020, 02:30:51 PM
“You’d have to look at teams that really would be going back to their assessment in 2018 and who he is and who like the flashes they’ve seen the last three years,” Breer said. “So, I do think that there would be a market because it’s sort of a unique situation where the Jets can sell the idea ‘It’s not like this guy failed. We just have an opportunity here in front of us.’ I think it’s something you can logically kind of wrap your head around if you’re another team. There are a fair number of teams that really thought highly of Sam coming out in 2018 that might be willing to deal a second-round pick and maybe a day three pick for him or maybe even a late first-rounder.”
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 18, 2020, 03:21:28 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 20, 2020, 05:10:05 PM
Hopefully he doesn't hold these last few weeks against Joe Douglas and you non believers too much
Let the apology contracts begin!
Post by: Heismanberg on December 20, 2020, 05:11:36 PM
I hope Sam doesn't demand too much when contract extension talks begin in a few weeks.
We aren't extending Sam Darnold anytime soon
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 20, 2020, 06:58:35 PM
We will likely need to sell ourselves on Darnold, a veteran, or one of the non-Lawrence QBs in the draft. None are great options.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2020, 07:01:51 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 20, 2020, 07:02:55 PM
I haven't given up on Darnold. Give him something to work with and a real coach. He's 23.I really would like for him to be the guy here, but I think his head is toast with this team.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 20, 2020, 07:04:59 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 20, 2020, 07:21:31 PM
We would have a new coach next year. If you think Darnold can succeed elsewhere, there is no reason he can't succeed here with a new coach and upgraded supporting cast. I'm just not convinced he can succeed here or anywhere given how he has played.
His best case is an Alex Smith level project, about 4 more years away from being viable.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2020, 07:33:30 PM
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2020, 07:35:45 PM
I really would like for him to be the guy here, but I think his head is toast with this team.He can sit behind Stafford here for 3 seasons, that should be enough time to get him right.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2020, 07:37:39 PM
He can sit behind Stafford here for 3 seasons, that should be enough time to get him right.
Or Flacco. Stafford brings the Kershaw factor, I'd be ok with that. Darnold will be back.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 21, 2020, 12:35:03 PM
Yesterday was his highest Total QBR of the season. 22-31, 207 yds, TD, 0 Int isn't great, but the Rams had one of the best pass defenses in the NFL, and since we led the entire game, he did enough to win.
This week, he gets a Browns team which is average at best against the pass. Give me a big game. Throw for 275 yards. Throw for 3 touchdowns. Pull a Geno Smith and put up a 158.3 in the final game of the season. Give me a reason to think you can and should be the QB of the future. Your receivers are healthy. You should have some confidence now that you won a game. Keep it rolling into next week. A win doesn't even hurt our draft pick unless the Jaguars also win. The best thing for our franchise is if our 23-year old former #3 pick turns into the long-term answer.
I'm still going to root for losses as long as Jacksonville has a chance to win/tie a game because our future outlook is significantly better with the #1 pick. Hopefully, we get some good karma for winning this week's game and Jacksonville finds a miracle win. But if we win, I want Sam Darnold to be the reason why.
Post by: Johnny English on December 21, 2020, 01:54:57 PM
Most of the year, I was saying that the only reason we would want to move on from Darnold is because he was a super-elite prospect. That opinion has changed throughout the year because Darnold has done nothing all season. But if the secondary QBs are slight reaches at #2, then bringing back Darnold becomes more appealing.
Yesterday was his highest Total QBR of the season. 22-31, 207 yds, TD, 0 Int isn't great, but the Rams had one of the best pass defenses in the NFL, and since we led the entire game, he did enough to win.
This week, he gets a Browns team which is average at best against the pass. Give me a big game. Throw for 275 yards. Throw for 3 touchdowns. Pull a Geno Smith and put up a 158.3 in the final game of the season. Give me a reason to think you can and should be the QB of the future. Your receivers are healthy. You should have some confidence now that you won a game. Keep it rolling into next week. A win doesn't even hurt our draft pick unless the Jaguars also win. The best thing for our franchise is if our 23-year old former #3 pick turns into the long-term answer.
I'm still going to root for losses as long as Jacksonville has a chance to win/tie a game because our future outlook is significantly better with the #1 pick. Hopefully, we get some good karma for winning this week's game and Jacksonville finds a miracle win. But if we win, I want Sam Darnold to be the reason why.
I know that he has made some boneheaded mistakes this season, often costly ones that have hurt the team, but yesterday was a really solid performance. I can remember one throw which was a "WTF Sam" moment but at least it wasn't anywhere near a defender, and there was one attempt to extend a play where he ended up losing yards by running out of bounds when he could have thrown it away a second or two earlier, but other than that it was sensible, smart quarterbacking with a few excellent throws and a much more decisive approach than we've seen in the past.
I fully acknowledge that I'm a fanboy, but I really do think that he's nothing like as damaged as many seem to. With a better gameplan and playcalling, a bit of work to iron out some of those mental errors and instill a bit more game discipline, and slightly more reliable protection, I still believe that Sam can be an excellent player in this league.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 21, 2020, 02:02:05 PM
I know that he has made some boneheaded mistakes this season, often costly ones that have hurt the team, but yesterday was a really solid performance. I can remember one throw which was a "WTF Sam" moment but at least it wasn't anywhere near a defender, and there was one attempt to extend a play where he ended up losing yards by running out of bounds when he could have thrown it away a second or two earlier, but other than that it was sensible, smart quarterbacking with a few excellent throws and a much more decisive approach than we've seen in the past.I'm going to have to spend the next 4 months convincing myself Sam still has a chance, so I'm just getting started now. But I really just want to see him play like a star. He's been in the league 3 years, and there have not been nearly enough flashes. Sure, there are a couple really nice throws here and there, but nothing remotely consistent, and that isn't enough 3 years in.
I fully acknowledge that I'm a fanboy, but I really do think that he's nothing like as damaged as many seem to. With a better gameplan and playcalling, a bit of work to iron out some of those mental errors and instill a bit more game discipline, and slightly more reliable protection, I still believe that Sam can be an excellent player in this league.
That said, I also don't subscribe to the idea that he CAN be a great starter in this league, but it HAS to be somewhere else. If you still think he has the talent to be a very good QB, he can do it here just like he can anywhere else. It would have to be a new coach, and we would have to draft/sign him some help, but I think there are enough Jets fans who support Sam where it isn't untenable to bring him back and hope he can succeed.
2020 being a pandemic without fans in the stands also makes it more palatable to bring back Sam IMO. Fans will just be excited to be back at games next season, and the vitriol won't start until the 2nd quarter of Week 1 rather than the 1st quarter.
However, these next 2 games will go a long way when it comes to public opinion. Perform well, and there's a chance that Sam can enter 2021 as the presumed starter with some more competition. Play like he has most of the season, and we likely need to count an alternative.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 21, 2020, 02:02:47 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 21, 2020, 02:05:44 PM
Most of the year, I was saying that the only reason we would want to move on from Darnold is because he was a super-elite prospect.
This was my thought also. Once it looked like we were actually getting Lawrence, everyone suddenly decided Darnold had to go. I think the only instance where Darnold has to go is if we get Lawrence.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 21, 2020, 02:20:58 PM
This was my thought also. Once it looked like we were actually getting Lawrence, everyone suddenly decided Darnold had to go. I think the only instance where Darnold has to go is if we get Lawrence.The problem was that Darnold has been terrible all season. I was hoping that Darnold would make it a tough decision to move on from him for Lawrence. He did not. Hopefully he can make it a tough decision to move on from him for Zach Wilson over the next two weeks.
Post by: Coach K on December 21, 2020, 04:17:49 PM
The problem was that Darnold has been terrible all season. I was hoping that Darnold would make it a tough decision to move on from him for Lawrence. He did not. Hopefully he can make it a tough decision to move on from him for Zach Wilson over the next two weeks.This is where I'm at
No other option interests me under any circumstance
Either Darnold or Wilson
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Post by: bojanglesman on December 21, 2020, 04:39:15 PM
You have to wonder outside of Lawrence, are any of the rest of the QBs significantly better than what will be there in 2022?
Sure, we could draft Wilson at 2 and then load up on offense to support him. Or we could load up on offense including the second pick, ride with Darnold under a new coach and if it flops, draft one in 2022.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2020, 05:04:52 PM
You have to wonder outside of Lawrence, are any of the rest of the QBs significantly better than what will be there in 2022?
Zach Wilson would be QB1 in 2022 if he stays at BYU
Post by: Libero_2 on December 21, 2020, 05:29:28 PM
Zach Wilson would be QB1 in 2022 if he stays at BYU
Which means if he stays, we should abstain from the 2021 class IMO
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 21, 2020, 05:30:05 PM
Which means if he stays, we should abstain from the 2021 class IMOSpeaking of abstaining, I assume Wilson will declare just so he would be allowed to get laid.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 21, 2020, 08:18:57 PM
Speaking of abstaining, I assume Wilson will declare just so he would be allowed to get laid.
I think he’s doing fine just not getting caught by anyone who would report him.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2020, 08:08:05 AM
Of course Tannenhill got traded to a team with a solid OL and best back in the league
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2020, 08:14:39 AM
Tannenhill
Did Tanny and Tannehill have a baby?
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 27, 2020, 09:11:57 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 27, 2020, 09:16:22 AM
While these last 2 games are meaningless, they are absolutely vital for Darnold to show that he should be the guy here in the future.
I think that ship sailed
Post by: Libero_2 on December 27, 2020, 09:21:32 AM
I think that ship sailed
Me too but it sure as hell would be interesting if Sam throws for 600 yards and 5 tds the final 2 weeks. If we aren’t getting Lawrence, the next best thing is for Sam to absolutely go off. If we end up keeping him momentum would be important and if we want to move on anyways the trade value would take a good boost
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2020, 10:53:35 AM
Once the Lawrence ship sails, I almost don't care whether we keep Darnold for another year and kick the rookie QB can down the road another year or draft one this year. This team isn't near being competitive, so we will probably be picking high again next year in the draft anyway.
I would prefer not wasting a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a project QB. If we don't draft one in the first round, just stick with Darnold.
Post by: insanity on December 27, 2020, 11:07:12 AM
I think he’s doing fine just not getting caught by anyone who would report him.It's only a matter of time. Remember that star basketball player that got kicked off the team for sleeping with his gf?
How do you even get caught doing this?
You were having sex.
No we werent
Post by: insanity on December 27, 2020, 11:18:29 AM
I would prefer not wasting a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a project QB. If we don't draft one in the first round, just stick with Darnold.I was against this approach at first but now I think this is right. For arguments sake say we get a 2nd for darnold and draft trask with pick 33. Are we really better? Is teask going to show enough in year 1 that we don't draft another?
Post by: bojanglesman on December 27, 2020, 11:29:15 AM
I was against this approach at first but now I think this is right. For arguments sake say we get a 2nd for darnold and draft trask with pick 33. Are we really better? Is teask going to show enough in year 1 that we don't draft another?If you want a QB, nut up and draft one in the 1st.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2020, 11:37:42 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 27, 2020, 12:26:10 PM
Darnold needs to be competitive and help the team win and not assist the team in losing. I know that's simple, but it's true. Even if just for trade value.Well, I don't think people are suggesting taking a QB in the 3rd round. The most likely scenario if we don't take a QB at 2 is that we take one in late 1/early 2, which I think is fine. Plenty of quarterbacks get taken in the early 2nd round. If Douglas doesn't love the QBs available at 2, or if they still think Darnold can be saved, I think the Darnold/draft pick solution is viable.
Once the Lawrence ship sails, I almost don't care whether we keep Darnold for another year and kick the rookie QB can down the road another year or draft one this year. This team isn't near being competitive, so we will probably be picking high again next year in the draft anyway.
I would prefer not wasting a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a project QB. If we don't draft one in the first round, just stick with Darnold.
There's no guarantee you can get a QB you want in the 1st round in 2022 or any other time. The Jets have proven that over my lifetime as much as anyone. Sure, it looks like we'll have a high pick, but who knows.
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2020, 04:22:18 PM
1a. Rosen
1b. Darnold
3. Mayfield
4a. Allen
4b. Jackson
Post by: IATA on December 27, 2020, 09:54:51 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 27, 2020, 11:42:39 PM
4 more years baby
Post by: Heismanberg on December 27, 2020, 11:47:11 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-first-win-of-2020-had-more-than-just-2021-nfl-draft-implications-and-was-a-boon-to-sam-darnolds-future/
4 more years baby
Four more years of what? That blurb (likely leaked to La Canfora to boost Sam's value) sad absolutely nothing about re-signing Sam Darnold.
He's done here. Cincinnati's third string, practice squad quarterback has outproduced Sam Darnold down the stretch. He's a bust. Time to cut bait.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 28, 2020, 12:00:41 AM
Four more years of what? That blurb (likely leaked to La Canfora to boost Sam's value) sad absolutely nothing about re-signing Sam Darnold.
He's done here. Cincinnati's third string, practice squad quarterback has outproduced Sam Darnold down the stretch. He's a bust. Time to cut bait.
4 more years was me just making an obnoxious reference to politics.
But the article did allude to other teams nfl execs and GMs. So while the Jets could try to fluff up his value, teams would surely see if the Jets are trying to shop the 2nd pick or not.
If the Jets aren't shopping the 2nd pick, then it's a fairly safe assumption they're selling Darnold
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 12:06:09 AM
4 more years was me just making an obnoxious reference to politics.
But the article did allude to other teams nfl execs and GMs. So while the Jets could try to fluff up his value, teams would surely see if the Jets are trying to shop the 2nd pick or not.
If the Jets aren't shopping the 2nd pick, then it's a fairly safe assumption they're selling Darnold
It's pointless to speculate anything right now because we don't even have a coaching staff in place.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 09:45:19 AM
If you could make Sam Darnold eligible for this year's draft--as is, 23 with three years experience on a bad team, all else being the same--where does he go in this year's draft?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 09:46:37 AM
Serious question for you draftniks:
If you could make Sam Darnold eligible for this year's draft--as is, 23 with three years experience on a bad team, all else being the same--where does he go in this year's draft?
#3 behind Lawrence and Wilson
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 09:51:23 AM
#3 behind Lawrence and Wilson
Still first round?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 09:53:41 AM
Still first round?
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Are you saying where would Sam Darnold go in the draft if he was entering this year? Or are you making up some outlandish scenario where he is removed from the Jets and allowed to be re-drafted?
If it's the latter, then he would not be a first rounder. He is toast now. The Jets ruined him by hiring Adam Gase and surrounding him with pee poor, inconsistent skill players.
Post by: MBGreen on December 28, 2020, 09:56:21 AM
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Are you saying where would Sam Darnold go in the draft if he was entering this year? Or are you making up some outlandish scenario where he is removed from the Jets and allowed to be re-drafted?
If it's the latter, then he would not be a first rounder. He is toast now. The Jets ruined him by hiring Adam Gase and surrounding him with pee poor, inconsistent skill players.
in b4 he asks you to do Flacco next ::)
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 09:58:13 AM
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Are you saying where would Sam Darnold go in the draft if he was entering this year? Or are you making up some outlandish scenario where he is removed from the Jets and allowed to be re-drafted?
If it's the latter, then he would not be a first rounder. He is toast now. The Jets ruined him by hiring Adam Gase and surrounding him with pee poor, inconsistent skill players.
Yeah you got it, a hypothetical where he's eligible to go in this draft after three years here.
I ask because I think that evaluation needs to be made in determining where and when you take another QB. If Darnold would go ahead of the other guy, obviously you draft another position. Assume Trevor Lawrence is that good and Jacksonville takes him, if Darnold is there (which for us he is), are we better off with him or the next QB on the board, which you answered. That's the question the Jets need to ask, and if he's not redeemable at age 23.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 10:00:27 AM
in b4 he asks you to do Flacco next ::)
We should keep Flacco. If not we need another game ready veteran, why not him? Hopefully it's as a backup, but if we daft a rookie and he's not ready, Flacco can play.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 10:00:31 AM
Assume Trevor Lawrence is that good and Jacksonville takes him, if Darnold is there (which for us he is), are we better off with him or the next QB on the board, which you answered. That's the question the Jets need to ask, and if he's not redeemable at age 23.
There is nothing to assume. Trevor Lawrence is that good and he will be the #1 overall pick.
I wouldn't take a ruined soon-to-be 24 year old Sam Darnold with an expiring contract over a cost controlled 21 year Zach Wilson. Absolutely not. I wouldn't take a ruined Darnold over Justin Fields either, and I have a strong dislike for Fields.
Post by: MBGreen on December 28, 2020, 10:03:30 AM
We should keep Flacco. If not we need another game ready veteran, why not him? Hopefully it's as a backup, but if we daft a rookie and he's not ready, Flacco can play.
Well...in the Jets/Pats thread, you're convinced we're keeping Gase. Flacco hasn't won a game under Gase. So an upgrade wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 10:04:56 AM
There is nothing to assume. Trevor Lawrence is that good and he will be the #1 overall pick.
I wouldn't take a ruined soon-to-be 24 year old Sam Darnold with an expiring contract over a cost controlled 21 year Zach Wilson. Absolutely not. I wouldn't take a ruined Darnold over Justin Fields either, and I have a strong dislike for Fields.
That's the answer I was looking for, thanks. I'm not sure I agree, but to me that's how they have to look at it. I also don't think Darnold would command that much money if he's still struggling, but hopefully he wouldn't be with better coaching and talent around him. Teams that value cost and cap over a QB are usually at the top of the draft looking for another QB.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 10:05:59 AM
I also don't think Darnold would command that much money if he's still struggling, but
Why would you want to spend money of a quarterback that stinks?
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 10:06:27 AM
Well...in the Jets/Pats thread, you're convinced we're keeping Gase. Flacco hasn't won a game under Gase. So an upgrade wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Was mostly poking fun at your retard obsession with firing him. As bad as another season of Gase would be, I'd make a point to come here every day and laugh at you, which is almost worth it.
Post by: MBGreen on December 28, 2020, 10:07:37 AM
Was mostly poking fun at your retard obsession with firing him. As bad as another season of Gase would be, I'd make a point to come here every day and laugh at you, which is almost worth it.
Ohhhh is that what that was
whatever floats your boat, man. ::)
EDIT: wait a minute....my retard obsession with firing him? You actually don't want to fire Gase?! lol
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 10:08:44 AM
Why would you want to spend money of a quarterback that stinks?
I don't. The hope is you buy low and with a better supporting case he plays better. He's not terrible, just not been dominant, but who would have been here the last three years? How did Baker look yesterday with no weapons and a bad line? He looked like Sanchez at the end.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 10:09:48 AM
Ohhhh is that what that was
whatever floats your boat, man. ::)
EDIT: wait a minute....my retard obsession with firing him? You actually don't want to fire Gase?! lol
I do now, but I have the ability to not work it into every conversation in every thread for two years.
But again, if he somehow stays there's the MB factor, which is something.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 10:10:29 AM
He's not terrible
Yes, he is.
Post by: MBGreen on December 28, 2020, 10:10:40 AM
I do now, but I have the ability to not work it into every conversation in every thread for two years.
But again, if he somehow stays there's the MB factor, which is something.
Oh you do now....i was wondering when your listening skills would kick in. Welcome to the resistance.
And if i entertain you that much, you should probably ask for more shifts at Dominos to help pass the time. I'm not that interesting.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 28, 2020, 10:14:16 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 10:15:02 AM
Oh you do now....i was wondering when your listening skills would kick in. Welcome to the resistance.
And if i entertain you that much, you should probably ask for more shifts at Dominos to help pass the time. I'm not that interesting.
You're correct, you're not interesting, but fun to laugh at.
If you constantly call for every coach to be fired, there's no credibility when it actually comes to be the case. You're the proverbial broken clock that is right twice a day despite saying the same thing all the time.
Post by: MBGreen on December 28, 2020, 10:16:55 AM
Whether Sam is redeemable or not, I think it's going to take a desperate coach to come in here wanting to tie himself to a reclamation project as opposed to the potential and grace period that comes with drafting their choice of non-lawrence qb at 2.
This.
I don't think HC coaches worth their salt are going to want to come here and rebuild Darnold from the ground up in a contract year.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 10:16:59 AM
Yes, he is.
There's where we disagree. I've seen many QBs take a while to come around and under much better circumstances. Darnold has played two of his three years here for coaches who were on their way out the door.
Post by: MBGreen on December 28, 2020, 10:18:44 AM
You're correct, you're not interesting, but fun to laugh at.
If you constantly call for every coach to be fired, there's no credibility when it actually comes to be the case. You're the proverbial broken clock that is right twice a day despite saying the same thjing all the time.
Every coach that i've called to be fired has deserved it. Even your daddy Rex. Whether you agree with it or not.
If you were even remotely right, and i was wrong....we wouldn't be mired in a 9 year dumpster fire. The only thing funny here is your loser mentality.
Post by: Badger on December 28, 2020, 10:46:26 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 28, 2020, 10:58:52 AM
even when he had time in the pocket he was still forcing throws into horrible windows that were very well covered by one or two defenders and he should have had multiple picks that were missed/dropped. his play isn't smooth. he always feels pressured and is always pressing. these are likely irreparable flaws
his decision making was already a question coming in as a rookie and we've only made that worse with the tutelage and situations we've put him under. time to move on and start fresh
Post by: Johnny English on December 28, 2020, 11:44:13 AM
darnold is done. did you guys watch the game yesterday.
even when he had time in the pocket he was still forcing throws into horrible windows that were very well covered by one or two defenders and he should have had multiple picks that were missed/dropped. his play isn't smooth. he always feels pressured and is always pressing. these are likely irreparable flaws
his decision making was already a question coming in as a rookie and we've only made that worse with the tutelage and situations we've put him under. time to move on and start fresh
You, like some others, have reached a point where literally the only thing you see are the things he does wrong. There were some excellent throws yesterday, both from the pocket and scrambling.
In the last two games he has thrown for 3 TDs, 0 INTs and almost 400 yards. Those aren't stellar stats by any stretch, but they have gained us 2 wins against two good defenses. If all you're taking from that is "look at the passes he threw that weren't caught by anyone" then you're not watching the game properly any more.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 12:11:44 PM
In the last two games he has thrown for 3 TDs, 0 INTs and almost 400 yards. Those aren't stellar stats by any stretch, but they have gained us 2 wins against two good defenses. If all you're taking from that is "look at the passes he threw that weren't caught by anyone" then you're not watching the game properly any more.
He didn't complete a pass to an outside receiver all game. He is not seeing the field.
Giving Sam Darnold any credit for winning yesterday's game is absurd.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 12:15:41 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 28, 2020, 12:19:55 PM
You, like some others, have reached a point where literally the only thing you see are the things he does wrong. There were some excellent throws yesterday, both from the pocket and scrambling.The bar shouldn't be so low for Darnold that we're talking about him almost throwing for 400 yards in 2 games. Darnold has played 11 games and his season high is 230 passing yards. 47 different NFL quarterbacks have thrown for at least 231 yards in a game this season. Sam Darnold is not among them. He has averaged 7 yards per attempt twice in 11 games. He has more Int than pass TD. He has more starts than pass TD. He's had an average QBR or better in 3 of 11 games and most of his games have been terrible. He's completed 61% of his passes in 2 of 11 games.
In the last two games he has thrown for 3 TDs, 0 INTs and almost 400 yards. Those aren't stellar stats by any stretch, but they have gained us 2 wins against two good defenses. If all you're taking from that is "look at the passes he threw that weren't caught by anyone" then you're not watching the game properly any more.
I know it's not all statistics, but the story the statistics paint is that of a horrible quarterback. Even if you grade him on a massive curve, he's still bad. And while he does make some good plays and some good throws, there aren't nearly enough of them.
What is Sam's best game this season? What game can you point to and be like "Wow, Sam played great."
Post by: Heismanberg on December 28, 2020, 12:22:09 PM
What is Sam's best game this season? What game can you point to and be like "Wow, Sam played great."
Easily the Rams game and the bulk of his completions were to running backs.
My guy threw for 207 yards and 1 TD...and it's his best game.
Awful season. But all we're doing is looking at the bad.
Post by: Jumbo on December 28, 2020, 12:22:20 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 28, 2020, 12:26:53 PM
Easily the Rams game and the bulk of his completions were to running backs.
My guy threw for 207 yards and 1 TD...and it's his best game.
Awful season. But all we're doing is looking at the bad.
Similarly, the incompletions like the one to Berrios on a dime in the end zone that any NFL caliber receiver makes a play on never make the stat sheet.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 28, 2020, 12:27:57 PM
You, like some others, have reached a point where literally the only thing you see are the things he does wrong. There were some excellent throws yesterday, both from the pocket and scrambling.
In the last two games he has thrown for 3 TDs, 0 INTs and almost 400 yards. Those aren't stellar stats by any stretch, but they have gained us 2 wins against two good defenses. If all you're taking from that is "look at the passes he threw that weren't caught by anyone" then you're not watching the game properly any more.
i saw all the throws and there were a couple of nice ones in there. but it's not enough to overcome all of the bad.
i think perriman should have caught that intermediate throw that he had his hands on and lost when he fell down and hit the turf. that was a good throw on a well covered WR. perriman should also have caught that long bomb even though darnold threw it too wide. but again it's still not enough good moments sprinkled in to make me hopeful about and/or forget the bad stuff. if i'm seeing bad it's because there is so much bad to see.
even that tight window throw in between 2 defenders while he was scrambling to his left. yeah, great pass, but i was pissed he even attempted that throw after everything that's happened the last 3 years. out of 10 attempts, that throw gets caught once, which was yesterday, and the other 9 times it's going wayward to the point that it's highly likely it's going to be either a pick or an incomplete pass. so many head-scratching decisions, his decision making is horrible.
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 28, 2020, 12:28:55 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 28, 2020, 12:32:44 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on December 28, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
Again I just go back to is he better than who we're going to spend a #2 overall pick on. That's the question the Jets have to answer. If it's even close I don't think you gamble with a pick that high, you get someone you know will help the team in a big way next year.
That question is fair to ask. Unfortunately Sam has played so badly that he has proven to be the worst QB in football this year and it’s not exactly close. Has he been let down by his teammates lack of talent around him? Absolutely. But he’s also let them down as much and quite possibly far more.
For me Sam is done and it’s 100% the fault of the Jets front office and organization top to bottom. The key is Douglas learning from the mistakes and not repeating them.
The real question for me isn’t is any QB not named Lawrence in this class an upgrade over Sam, because the answer to that is certainly yes. The question is, is there another franchise QB in this class. If that’s true, you take him at 2 and don’t look back. If it isn’t then it’s pointless to take a QB, you build the rest of the team and take the shot on a QB another time.
To me the answer to that question is still “Yes” and that’s why I would take Wilson at 2.
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2020, 10:05:02 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2020, 10:28:31 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2020, 10:30:42 AM
The Jets will have more cap space, more draft capital, and a different coaching staff.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2020, 01:03:25 PM
Trevor Matich doesn't want us to draft Zach Wilson? Hmm
I think he was our third string TE a long time ago, like the Walton or Coslet years.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2021, 10:58:48 AM
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ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported that the New York Jets would make a BIG trade this off-season…but is it trading Sam Darnold or trading the No. 2 overall pick? Based on my conversations with the #Jets and with other teams, there will be a market for Darnold that could become competitive in a hurry if veterans like Ben Roethlisberger or Philip Rivers opt to retire. Darnold has “many fans” around the league according to one front office member I spoke with and expected “at least 10 teams” to be interested in his services if he were to be moved. The asking price? It probably starts with the Jets asking for a second-rounder and change given Darnold’s play and the remaining time on his contract. #Steelers #49ers #Colts #Jets
From that cuck Matt Miller’s Instagram
Post by: insanity on January 03, 2021, 11:03:42 AM
From that cuck Matt Miller’s InstagramI'm not complaining, but I find it hard to believe there will be 10 suitors lining up at the door to trade a 2nd round pick for a broken qb on a 1 year rental contract.
The best offer I can see us getting is late 2nd / early 3rd with a conditional pick next year
Post by: Libero_2 on January 03, 2021, 12:23:23 PM
More likely we are dealing with 1-3 realistic suitors and end up with a mid-late 2 from a team like San Fran or Chicago
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2021, 12:45:23 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 12:48:36 PM
Reminder for someone to post Sam's final NYJ career stat line after this game.You can do it now. Just add 100 more pass yds and 1 more int.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 03, 2021, 01:40:09 PM
You can do it now. Just add 100 more pass yds and 1 more int.
Don't forget the TD.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 01:44:21 PM
Don't forget the TD.He might end up with his best game of the season. The bar is very low.
Post by: IATA on January 03, 2021, 01:47:47 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2021, 02:04:20 PM
i'd rather just keep sam than get a 2nd tbhWhy?
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 03, 2021, 02:32:39 PM
i'd rather just keep sam than get a 2nd tbh
A 2nd what?
A 2nd diagnosis of cancer? I'd agree
A 2nd round draft pick? Hell naw
Post by: insanity on January 03, 2021, 02:47:23 PM
if 10 teams are lining up for Sam, then we should be able to get that #1 pick we are hoping for.Why would Chicago trade for Sam darnold. All of your green shaded lenses have you blind
More likely we are dealing with 1-3 realistic suitors and end up with a mid-late 2 from a team like San Fran or Chicago
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 02:49:10 PM
Why would Chicago trade for Sam darnold. All of your green shaded lenses have you blindFor the same reason any team would trade for Sam Darnold - they think he has potential. If we're going by the premise we can get a 2nd-rounder for Darnold (which people are reporting, so I'll go with that), then the Bears make as much sense as anyone, unless they're all in on Trubisky.
Post by: insanity on January 03, 2021, 02:50:07 PM
unless they're all in on Trubisky.This. Why pay for Sam when you can keep trubisky
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 02:53:53 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2021, 03:25:01 PM
Bye, bitch.
Yeah, we’re not doing this. This kid gave this franchise his all and always said the right thing. Maybe he sucks but I will never root against him.
The Jets chose to pass on Watson, Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson and hung the guy they picked out to dry with their decisions on coaching, weapons, and protection.
Hopefully the next guy finds himself in a better situation.
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2021, 03:27:53 PM
Yeah, we’re not doing this. This kid gave this franchise his all and always said the right thing. Maybe he sucks but I will never root against him.
The Jets chose to pass on Watson, Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson and hung they guy the picked out to dry with their decisions on coaching, weapons, and protection.
Hopefully the next guy finds himself in a better situation.
Amen
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 03:29:13 PM
Yeah, we’re not doing this. This kid gave this franchise his all and always said the right thing. Maybe he sucks but I will never root against him.Cato realized he's from Orange County and probably voted Trump.
The Jets chose to pass on Watson, Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson and hung they guy the picked out to dry with their decisions on coaching, weapons, and protection.
Hopefully the next guy finds himself in a better situation.
I hold no ill will towards Sam. He seems like a great kid. We did an awful job developing him, but Sam also had plenty of chances and simply wasn't good enough. You have to be pretty bad to give up on this quickly after being taken in the top 5, and has been pretty bad.
The only way you can justify bringing him back is if:
- They don't love Fields or Wilson as much as the consensus, and they still think Sam has a chance
- They can get a big package to move down from #2
- They find a starting-caliber QB who can compete with Darnold and replace him if things go badly
I think you could justify bringing back Sam if this QB class were bad. But it looks like a great class, and we have an opportunity to take someone.
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2021, 03:30:31 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 03:30:44 PM
Yeah, we’re not doing this. This kid gave this franchise his all and always said the right thing. Maybe he sucks but I will never root against him.
The Jets chose to pass on Watson, Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson and hung they guy the picked out to dry with their decisions on coaching, weapons, and protection.
Hopefully the next guy finds himself in a better situation.
I don’t care about him saying the right thing.
He’s another team’s QB soon enough, and he’s not good. He’s become exactly the QB I thought he would be before we drafted him.
Being a nice person doesn’t erase what he produced for this team this season. He can go back his best friend up in Buffalo.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 03, 2021, 03:32:54 PM
Post by: Jumbo on January 03, 2021, 03:34:23 PM
I choose to believe Sam is an apolitical himbo
Not sure about apolitical but the mono confirmed himboness
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 03:38:02 PM
Sam Darnold
I told myself I wouldn't buy a QB jersey again, but when I moved to Los Angeles (1.5 miles from the USC campus), I got a Sam Darnold jersey last Christmas.
I probably wore it once in public. Then there was a pandemic. Jets played 2 games in Los Angeles this year, but fans weren't allowed, and I don't even live there anymore.
Now Sam is gone, and I don't have any inclination to support him in public.
Leon Washington
Bought a Leon Washington jersey when I was in college. First day I wore it, he broke his leg on the opening drive, just as I was pulling up in the parking lot to watch the game at the sports bar that day. He never played again for the Jets.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 03:38:36 PM
I choose to believe Sam is an apolitical himbo
This makes sense to me.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 03:40:58 PM
Which QB jersey purchase was worse?
Sam Darnold
I told myself I wouldn't buy a QB jersey again, but when I moved to Los Angeles (1.5 miles from the USC campus), I got a Sam Darnold jersey last Christmas.
I probably wore it once in public. Then there was a pandemic. Jets played 2 games in Los Angeles this year, but fans weren't allowed, and I don't even live there anymore.
Now Sam is gone, and I don't have any inclination to support him in public.
Leon Washington
Bought a Leon Washington jersey when I was in college. First day I wore it, he broke his leg on the opening drive, just as I was pulling up in the parking lot to watch the game at the sports bar that day. He never played again for the Jets.
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Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 03:41:41 PM
?Not sure why I threw QB there.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 03:41:54 PM
Not sure why I threw QB there.
Got it.
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2021, 03:43:47 PM
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2021, 03:44:10 PM
Not sure why I threw QB there.Leon > Geno
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 03:44:31 PM
Never forget(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210103/65bdc747519f76b5675ab5512a69db40.jpg)He killed some of you fuckers with kindness given how much some of you constantly defended him all season.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 03:45:00 PM
Never forget(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210103/65bdc747519f76b5675ab5512a69db40.jpg)
He’s well on his way to his second long term goal.
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2021, 03:45:10 PM
He killed some of you fuckers with kindness given how much some of you constantly defended him all season.I can still defend Sam and also endorse moving on from him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 03:45:42 PM
Leon > GenoWas never buying a Geno jersey. Yes, I defended him when I thought people were unfair to him, but I didn't exactly like him.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 03:46:04 PM
He’s well on his way to his second long term goal.Playing for the Jets is the best way to get an ESPN gig.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 03:48:10 PM
Was never buying a Geno jersey. Yes, I defended him when I thought people were unfair to him, but I didn't exactly like him.
I wanted him gone the second Goodell started saying his name.
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 03, 2021, 03:49:06 PM
Not sure why I threw QB there.
TBH Leon lined up at QB a lot when we ran the wildcat back in '07.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 03:50:32 PM
TBH Leon lined up at QB a lot when we ran the wildcat back in '07.
I’m pretty sure we ran more wildcat plays with Leon in any single season that we did with Tebow.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
He’s become exactly the QB I thought he would be before we drafted him.
The key to this statement is the Jets drafting him. If a competent franchise was in charge of his career development, who knows how his career would have panned out.
If we drafted Fields or Wilson in 2018, and made the same series of decisions that we did with Darnold, we’d be having this same conversation.
Hopefully Joe Douglas knows what he’s doing.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 04:17:10 PM
The key to this statement is the Jets drafting him. If a competent franchise was in charge of his career development, who knows how his career would have panned out.
If we drafted Fields or Wilson in 2018, and made the same series of decisions that we did with Darnold, we’d having this same conversation.
Hopefully Joe Douglas knows what he’s doing.
If “ifs and buts”...etc
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2021, 04:20:50 PM
If “ifs and buts”...etc
So you wanted Allen or Rosen or Jackson then? You think the Jets would have developed any of them?
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 04:22:27 PM
The key to this statement is the Jets drafting him. If a competent franchise was in charge of his career development, who knows how his career would have panned out.The Jets deserve a ton of blame for what's gone wrong with Sam. But Sam isn't blameless. If he were that good, he would have overcome some of the issues around him to show that he's worth building around. You can't average less than a touchdown per start in the NFL in 2020, particularly in your third season.
If we drafted Fields or Wilson in 2018, and made the same series of decisions that we did with Darnold, we’d be having this same conversation.
Hopefully Joe Douglas knows what he’s doing.
If Fields or Wilson were dealt the same hand that Darnold was, they would likely struggle, too, but they would also likely be more productive, simply because it's hard to be less productive.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2021, 04:26:13 PM
The Jets deserve a ton of blame for what's gone wrong with Sam. But Sam isn't blameless. If he were that good, he would have overcome some of the issues around him to show that he's worth building around. You can't average less than a touchdown per start in the NFL in 2020, particularly in your third season.
If Fields or Wilson were dealt the same hand that Darnold was, they would likely struggle, too, but they would also likely be more productive, simply because it's hard to be less productive.
It actually is possible. Wilson and Fields could turn into the next Rosen or Haskins. I could easily see Fields bombing out of the league if he has an OL and WRs comparable to what the Jets put on the field the last 3 years.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 04:26:45 PM
So you wanted Allen or Rosen or Jackson then? You think the Jets would have developed any of them?
No, I think the team would have ruined anyone.
What exactly do you think I’m arguing about here?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2021, 04:28:58 PM
No, I think the team would have ruined anyone. But I’m not going to get wistful for a different universe’s version of Darnold.
Haha! So no one would have succeeded here, and your take is “Bye, bitch” to Darnold when he was doomed to fail. Like I said, maybe the main problem is that you are a Jets fan.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 04:31:26 PM
Haha! So no one would have succeeded here, and your take is “Bye, bitch” to Darnold when he was doomed to fail. Like I said, maybe the main problem is that you are a Jets fan.
That’s everyone’s problem here. This team is an abusive relationship.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2021, 04:33:08 PM
This team is an abusive relationship.
Truth
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2021, 04:34:12 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 04:37:41 PM
Darnold was a turnover machine in his only full season as a starter in college. We excused it as something that could be fixed at the next level, but it never was. He had a lot of good traits on tape, too, but he had a bunch of negatives, too. We made it very difficult for him to develop because of the supporting cast we put around him, but there was a very low bar for success.
I'm sure Joe Douglas would love for Sam Darnold to be his quarterback of the future. He would love to have that position already locked down, so he could trade down from 2, and basically dominate the next few drafts. Instead, he has to use a super-premium draft pick on the one position he thought he inherited a gem.
I also like starting a coach and a QB on the same timeline. The coach likes it since it buys him some time. The QB also is virtually guaranteed the same system for at least 2-3 years. It also puts Douglas on that same timeline.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 04:40:32 PM
https://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41106024-4
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2021, 04:44:42 PM
I just push back at the idea that Darnold was a lock to succeed if he had a better supporting cast. Even earlier this season, people were saying if he were with the Rams, he would be better than Goff. It's based on absolutely nothing.
Darnold was a turnover machine in his only full season as a starter in college. We excused it as something that could be fixed at the next level, but it never was. He had a lot of good traits on tape, too, but he had a bunch of negatives, too. We made it very difficult for him to develop because of the supporting cast we put around him, but there was a very low bar for success.
I'm sure Joe Douglas would love for Sam Darnold to be his quarterback of the future. He would love to have that position already locked down, so he could trade down from 2, and basically dominate the next few drafts. Instead, he has to use a super-premium draft pick on the one position he thought he inherited a gem.
I also like starting a coach and a QB on the same timeline. The coach likes it since it buys him some time. The QB also is virtually guaranteed the same system for at least 2-3 years. It also puts Douglas on that same timeline.
No one is saying lock to succeed. I’m just not surprised he failed. I expected it.
My heart fell out of my poopchute when we hired Gase.
I still have PTSD from the game against Chicago Sam’s rookie year where we started Jermaine Kearse, Andre Roberts, and Charone Peake at WR.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 04:48:37 PM
No one is saying lock to succeed. I’m just not surprised he failed. I expected it.Deontay Burnett szn
My heart fell out of my poopchute when we hired Gase.
I still have PTSD from the game against Chicago Sam’s rookie year where we started Jermaine Kearse, Andre Roberts, and Charone Peake at WR.
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2021, 04:52:45 PM
No one is saying lock to succeed. I’m just not surprised he failed. I expected it.
My heart fell out of my poopchute when we hired Gase.
I still have PTSD from the game against Chicago Sam’s rookie year where we started Jermaine Kearse, Andre Roberts, and Charone Peake at WR.
cutting Dortch sent this team into an offensive tailspin.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 03, 2021, 05:06:03 PM
That's what we've given Sam the PAST THREE YEARS
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 03, 2021, 06:31:07 PM
If he were that good, he would have overcome some of the issues around him to show that he's worth building around. You can't average less than a touchdown per start in the NFL in 2020, particularly in your third season
this is entirely unfair and unrealistic. sam didn't light the league on fire his rookie season but he did enough to show us there was a lot to be hopeful for, especially the last 4-5 games. i don't have to bring up the dumb youtube videos again. it's quite obvious that even compared to that late rookie sam darnold, what we have now at QB is somebody who has experienced a magnitude of regression that is actually quite unfathomable.
how does that happen to a player? when a player falls off that badly and it's on them, it's because they've stopped trying, have gotten depressed, aren't working hard and are focusing on stupid off the field excrement, are battling substance abuse issues, etc etc etc. none of this can be said about sam. he is a good kid, a hard worker on and off the field both during the season and offseason every year, and is a completely accountable person that has never deflected or parlayed blame onto anybody but himself. it would be the absolute biggest shock and surprise if he was fvcking his life up with substance abuse and we never know but that just totally does not seem to be the case.
the shittiness and regression we have seem from end of rookie year sam to the completely different player we see now is literally all on us. i cannot go on about how badly we've fvcked him and for his sake i hope we free him from the jets
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 06:36:24 PM
this is entirely unfair and unrealistic. sam didn't light the league on fire his rookie season but he did enough to show us there was a lot to be hopeful for, especially the last 4-5 games. i don't have to bring up the dumb youtube videos again. it's quite obvious that even compared to that late rookie sam darnold, what we have now at QB is somebody who has experienced a magnitude of regression that is actually quite unfathomable.
how does that happen to a player? when a player falls off that badly and it's on them, it's because they've stopped trying, have gotten depressed, aren't working hard and are focusing on stupid off the field excrement, are battling substance abuse issues, etc etc etc. none of this can be said about sam. he is a good kid, a hard worker on and off the field both during the season and offseason every year, and is a completely accountable person that has never deflected or parlayed blame onto anybody but himself. it would be the absolute biggest shock and surprise if he was fvcking his life up with substance abuse and we never know but that just totally does not seem to be the case.
the shittiness and regression we have seem from end of rookie year sam to the completely different player we see now is literally all on us. i cannot go on about how badly we've fvcked him and for his sake i hope we free him from the jets
I know this game enables the belief that hard work will solve everything but Darnold clearly worked very hard throughout the last three seasons and still failed.
He didn't get good coaching or support but it's also possible that he just isn't capable of being better.
Back to the original point I tried to make with SFD: it might have turned out differently with another coach and a better roster but this is the outcome we got. We also cannot change it so I'm not going to spend any time wondering about it anytime soon.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 06:38:24 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 03, 2021, 06:53:48 PM
If it's entirely unfair and unrealistic to not be the worst quarterback in the NFL, then you need to raise your expectations.
that's not what i meant and i think you know that. i meant pinning the insurmountable FUBAR circumstances against sam and blaming him for not overcoming them to be completely unfair and unrealistic
keep everything the same but substitute rookie aaron rodgers, rookie pat mahomes, rookie lamar jackson, literally whoever etc etc etc as our draft pick in 2018, and we'd literally be 'bye, bitch'-ing them in this thread right now
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 07:05:52 PM
that's not what i meant and i think you know that. i meant pinning the insurmountable FUBAR circumstances against sam and blaming him for not overcoming them to be completely unfair and unrealisticMy point is that I don't need Sam to necessarily overcome them. I just need him not to be the least productive quarterback in the NFL.
keep everything the same but substitute rookie aaron rodgers, rookie pat mahomes, rookie lamar jackson, literally whoever etc etc etc as our draft pick in 2018, and we'd literally be 'bye, bitch'-ing them in this thread right now
Darnold was a below average quarterback in his first two seasons, one of the worst in the NFL, but we made excuses since he was young and had no talent around him. This year, he was even worse than that. If he had just been marginally better than he was in his first two seasons, I'd be much more willing to give him another shot. But instead, he was clearly worse.
I have no idea how [MVP candidate] would have done with the Jets. I also don't know how Darnold would have done on [great situation] here. I don't think we can definitively say that we would have ruined Mahomes or any of those guys. Just as I don't think we can assume Darnold would have been great elsewhere as some have alleged.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2021, 07:14:15 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 07:26:02 PM
This offseason is going to suck large penisDisagree. Gase will be gone. We will have a new shiny head coach. We will have a new shiny QB. We will have a bunch of other draft picks. This offseason will be great.
Unless we stay at #2 and don't draft a QB and hire Jim Harbaugh.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 03, 2021, 07:27:26 PM
Disagree. Gase will be gone. We will have a new shiny head coach. We will have a new shiny QB. We will have a bunch of other draft picks. This offseason will be great.
Unless we stay at #2 and don't draft a QB and hire Jim Harbaugh.
No, it will suck. I am excited for a new coach but I really don't want to read countless posts and tweets about how great Justin Fields is.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 07:27:34 PM
This offseason is going to suck large penis
Agree.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 03, 2021, 07:37:45 PM
No, it will suck. I am excited for a new coach but I really don't want to read countless posts and tweets about how great Justin Fields is.
It would unquestionably be better if we were guaranteed Lawrence. I don’t want to hear about Fields for 4 months and people questioning wtf we are doing when we take Wilson over him in April.
I am excited to see what happens in FA though, Douglas will have lots of money and this might be the best offseason in history to be loaded with money with the cap dipping and lots of teams needing to cut talented players to get under the cap
Post by: dcm1602 on January 03, 2021, 07:43:48 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2021, 07:53:17 PM
I'm not saying we should keep Sam, I just don't want to draft a QB 2nd overall/dcm mode engaged
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 08:05:48 PM
This offseason is going to suck large penis
Gase’s ultimate legacy will be leaving behind a team so bad that it will make the offseason discussions after he gets fired as bad if not worse than the offseason discussions that happened while he was the coach.
It’d almost be impressive if it wasn’t so depressing.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2021, 01:13:07 PM
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I hope he is a Jet going forward. But that decision will be made by Joe Douglas and our new coach. That’s about as definitive as I can get on Sam.
- Christopher Johnson
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2021, 01:18:28 PM
- Christopher Johnson
This quote is encourging.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 04, 2021, 01:23:47 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 04, 2021, 01:32:02 PM
Here’s 1 thing that will not happen: the Jets draft a QB at #2 and keep Darnold. If we go QB at 2 he will definitely be traded.
Post by: IATA on January 04, 2021, 01:33:18 PM
Here’s 1 thing that will not happen: the Jets draft a QB at #2 and keep Darnold. If we go QB at 2 he will definitely be traded.
sewell + darnold 4 lyfe
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2021, 01:33:59 PM
sewell + darnold 4 lyfe
Why do you want to keep Sam Darnold?
Post by: IATA on January 04, 2021, 01:34:40 PM
Post by: IATA on January 04, 2021, 01:36:18 PM
i like the devil i know more than the devil i dont, pretty much
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 04, 2021, 01:57:04 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 04, 2021, 02:22:21 PM
They might keep Darnold. I could see it under 3 scenarios: If they decide a trade down is the best move at 2, if they draft a QB with pick 27 or 33, or if they stick with Sam and get someone like a Matt Ryan/Phil Rivers for competition.
Here’s 1 thing that will not happen: the Jets draft a QB at #2 and keep Darnold. If we go QB at 2 he will definitely be traded.
My thoughts exactly.
forreal, i think hes better than the last 2 years and i think hes still young enough that with a good foundation he could be the best qb weve had. he made some boneheaded plays, but so did the entire organization.
i like the devil i know more than the devil i dont, pretty much
The optimist in me wants to think this. As a practical matter, if you don't have your answer at QB there's no reason to get rid of a guy who could be the answer unless you have to. Generally you're bringing guys in and hoping one works out. Why part with a guy you invested a #3 overall in until you have to? Especially with a new staff coming in that might be a better fit, you came this far, unless you have a definite better option which we don't.
Post by: IATA on January 04, 2021, 02:41:44 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 04, 2021, 02:45:20 PM
i really dont want to see us invest in another rookie qb when we still have the rest of the offense that is total excrement and break another one.
#2 is not our only draft choice
Post by: Libero_2 on January 04, 2021, 02:47:21 PM
#2 is not our only draft choice
And I think it will be far more enticing to take a QB after we pre-load up in FA to make said QBs life easier
Post by: IATA on January 04, 2021, 03:53:25 PM
#2 is not our only draft choiceSo many choices to fix the shitty roster. So many.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2021, 03:56:04 PM
So many choices to fix the shitty roster. So many.We have a legit GM now...I want to see what he can do with some autonomy.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: Jumbo on January 04, 2021, 04:02:02 PM
They might keep Darnold. I could see it under 3 scenarios: If they decide a trade down is the best move at 2, if they draft a QB with pick 27 or 33, or if they stick with Sam and get someone like a Matt Ryan/Phil Rivers for competition.
Here’s 1 thing that will not happen: the Jets draft a QB at #2 and keep Darnold. If we go QB at 2 he will definitely be traded.
Can easily combine some of these. Keep Sam, bring in a vet, draft someone in the 2nd/3rd. At some point it might be better to trade him for a 2nd if such an option exists, but who knows what Sam's perceived value is at this point.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 04, 2021, 07:10:44 PM
Can easily combine some of these. Keep Sam, bring in a vet, draft someone in the 2nd/3rd. At some point it might be better to trade him for a 2nd if such an option exists, but who knows what Sam's perceived value is at this point.
Similar in a way to when we didn't know whether or not Pennington could come back. They signed Patrick Ramsey, drafted Clemens and brought Bollinger back to all compete for the job. Chad made short work of that because he got healthy and was way better than the others.
This is different because Darnold isn't hurt, he's unproven. But I don't see the wisdom in trying to get a pick back for him after we shot a whole season, traded up and used a #3 overall on him. Different regime but still a lot invested in the guy to trade him for no reason if we don't have a replacement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2021, 10:03:28 AM
Peen Train CHOOOO CHOOOOOO
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2021, 10:04:32 AM
But I agree that we should pass on Justin Fields.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 05, 2021, 11:31:57 AM
If we miracle into Lawrence, or go with Wilson at 2, sayonara Sam. I'm not going to be upset if they give Darnold one more year, but I don't think it's going to happen--or be effective if it does.
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2021, 01:05:58 PM
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Sam Darnold faced the highest pressure rate of any quarterback in the NFL this season.
Darnold was under pressure on 43.3 percent of his drop backs this year, according to Pro Football Focus. Ben Roethlisberger, meanwhile, faced pressure on 20.9 percent of his drop backs, the lowest rate in the league. Behind a porous offensive line, Darnold was constantly on the run in his 11 starts.
Even accepting that Sam isn't blameless here and that at least some of the pressure will have come as a result of him holding the ball too long, this is a very relevant data point.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 05, 2021, 01:08:25 PM
Rotoworld:
Even accepting that Sam isn't blameless here and that at least some of the pressure will have come as a result of him holding the ball too long, this is a very relevant data point.
The shoulder injury happened because he should have gotten rid of the ball much sooner. Part of that is having scrub WRs most of the year who couldn't get open. Luckily for him he can run, should have probably run more.
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2021, 01:11:55 PM
The shoulder injury happened because he should have gotten rid of the ball much sooner. Part of that is having scrub WRs most of the year who couldn't get open. Luckily for him he can run, should have probably run more.
Yeah, there's no one thing that is the whole reason for everything. excrement coaching and playcalling, horrible line play, lack of weapons, and poor quarterbacking all contributed.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 05, 2021, 01:29:17 PM
Yeah, there's no one thing that is the whole reason for everything. excrement coaching and playcalling, horrible line play, lack of weapons, and poor quarterbacking all contributed.
This is why I don't rule him out as an option, provided we get a competent coaching staff. With JD in charge I think we'll get the line finally fixed to at least give him a pocket most of the time.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2021, 03:24:10 PM
"Look at the people [Darnold] came out with. Look at Baker Mayfield. Look at my man in Buffalo, Josh [Allen]. Come on, man. He wasn't the third pick for nothing. He's very talented. Tough. Loves the game. ... Not to doubt my guys here because they fought their behinds off, get him guys like Josh's got, like [Stefon] Diggs and Smoke (John Brown) and [Cole] Beasley. Baker's got Odell [Beckham] and Jarvis Landry. Get Sam help like that."
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2021, 03:24:56 PM
Frank Gore:
"Look at the people [Darnold] came out with. Look at Baker Mayfield. Look at my man in Buffalo, Josh [Allen]. Come on, man. He wasn't the third pick for nothing. He's very talented. Tough. Loves the game. ... Not to doubt my guys here because they fought their behinds off, get him guys like Josh's got, like [Stefon] Diggs and Smoke (John Brown) and [Cole] Beasley. Baker's got Odell [Beckham] and Jarvis Landry. Get Sam help like that."
Classy, veteran team leader shitting all over the WR corps he just played a season with
Why is this concussed potato still talking about the Jets?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2021, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2021, 03:27:27 PM
That's some non-competitive softness
Get him outta here
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2021, 03:29:02 PM
Sam Darnold being best friends with Josh Allen pisses me off
That's some non-competitive softness
Get him outta here
This has consistently been your worst take on Darnold.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 10, 2021, 03:29:24 PM
Frank Gore:
"Look at the people [Darnold] came out with. Look at Baker Mayfield. Look at my man in Buffalo, Josh [Allen]. Come on, man. He wasn't the third pick for nothing. He's very talented. Tough. Loves the game. ... Not to doubt my guys here because they fought their behinds off, get him guys like Josh's got, like [Stefon] Diggs and Smoke (John Brown) and [Cole] Beasley. Baker's got Odell [Beckham] and Jarvis Landry. Get Sam help like that."
As much as I agree that it's unseemly that he just buried his teammates, where's the lie?
Sam's best receivers in his time here have been Robbie and Crowder.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2021, 03:31:21 PM
This has consistently been your worst take on Darnold.
Our QB congratulates a division rival QB after he kicks our asses all over the field.
Darnold has played like a backup. Now he can go back Allen's backup.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2021, 03:32:59 PM
Our QB congratulates a division rival QB after he kicks our asses all over the field.
Darnold has played like a backup. Now he can go back Allen's backup.
The second sentence is not a bad take.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 10, 2021, 03:35:03 PM
This has consistently been your worst take on Darnold.
we all secretly know one of the many reasons that Heis hates darnold, other than the shitty year/play/development, is that he looks like the boyfriend from midsommar
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2021, 03:36:22 PM
we all secretly know one of the many reasons that Heis hates darnold, other than the shitty year/play/development, is that he looks like the boyfriend from midsommar
We should put Sam in a bear suit and light him on fire
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2021, 03:36:55 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 10, 2021, 03:53:42 PM
Oh he's 100% accurate, I just don't want to hear anything he says about the Jets. He was the centerpiece of one of the worst offenses in this team's history.That's not his fault. I don't blame Gore for anything. Gore should never have been the focal point of the offense - that was always absurd.
But yeah, this quote definitely throws the receivers under the bus. He definitely has a point. I'm just not sure Sam has shown enough even despite those weapons to bring back as the guy.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2021, 04:04:41 PM
That's not his fault. I don't blame Gore for anything. Gore should never have been the focal point of the offense - that was always absurd.
But yeah, this quote definitely throws the receivers under the bus. He definitely has a point. I'm just not sure Sam has shown enough even despite those weapons to bring back as the guy.
Him getting signed wasn't my fault but I still had to deal with the consequences.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 10, 2021, 05:09:26 PM
We should put Sam in a bear suit and light him on fire
Can’t we just trade him to Chicago and call it good?
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2021, 05:19:39 PM
Can’t we just trade him to Chicago and call it good?
Same thing, right?
Post by: Libero_2 on January 10, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
Same thing, right?That's what I was thinking
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 14, 2021, 10:19:08 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 10:21:00 PM
https://twitter.com/KennyDucey/status/1349933930678509570?s=19
hmmmm
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 14, 2021, 10:24:30 PM
If the staff thinks they can fix Darnold, good luck, I hope they can.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 10:32:48 PM
Post by: Jumbo on January 14, 2021, 10:36:06 PM
But at bare minimum we need to bring in a veteran that isn't excrement like Joe Flacco. Would say Jameis if he wasn't Jameis, but there should be some superior vet options on the market.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 14, 2021, 10:38:38 PM
my preference is still to move on but if this staff/JD still want to roll the dice with him one more time, i can't do anything but trust them and hope for the best
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 10:39:54 PM
But at bare minimum we need to bring in a veteran that isn't excrement like Joe Flacco. Would say Jameis if he wasn't Jameis, but there should be some superior vet options on the market.
I think it has to be one of the San Francisco QBs - Garoppolo, Beathard, or Mullens
Post by: Coach K on January 14, 2021, 10:41:50 PM
hmmmm
insert McGregor whos this foogin guy gif
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 14, 2021, 10:43:34 PM
I think it has to be one of the San Francisco QBs - Garoppolo, Beathard, or MullensYep. And I am fine with any of them. I've always liked Mullens.
The good news is we still have 2 firsts next year to get a QB. But if Darnold fully busts, we dont replace him adequately, and Fields or Wilson becomes a star, it will be looked at worse than passing on Mahomes and Watson.
Tough choices for Douglas and co.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 14, 2021, 10:44:21 PM
I think it has to be one of the San Francisco QBs - Garoppolo, Beathard, or Mullens
I would assume you are right. I would expect us to make a lot of “cheap” signings from SF FAs to help install the systems on both sides of the ball.
If we roll with Sam I hope that JD is able to sell off the #2 pick. It’s about acquiring as much cost controlled talent as possible if I’m we aren’t taking the QB and frankly I would be excited to add 8-10 guys of the “top prospects” so trading back and still getting one of them while adding picks would likely be a top priority.
Post by: insanity on January 14, 2021, 10:45:50 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 14, 2021, 10:47:08 PM
The good news is we still have 2 firsts next year to get a QB. But if Darnold fully busts, we dont replace him adequately, and Fields or Wilson becomes a star, it will be looked at worse than passing on Mahomes and Watson.
Tough choices for Douglas and co.
They will absolutely do their due diligence on the QBs. But initial thoughts must be that Sam + assets is more likely to be effective than Fields/Wilson on their own. We shall see. But man I’d feel a lot better about our future if we had gotten Lawrence to pair with Saleh right now
Post by: dcm1602 on January 14, 2021, 10:47:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Sportsnaut/status/1349934650102226945?s=20
Interesting that Uhm Saleh believes in him
He's been the coach of the Jets for a few hours.
I'm all for keeping Sam and auctioning off the 2nd overall pick, and speculating we keep Sam is cool, but this seems kinda overboard this fast
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2021, 10:53:13 PM
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2021, 10:53:15 PM
Interesting that Uhm Saleh believes in himLike you said, just speculation.
He's been the coach of the Jets for a few hours.
I'm all for keeping Sam and auctioning off the 2nd overall pick, and speculating we keep Sam is cool, but this seems kinda overboard this fast
Post by: IATA on January 14, 2021, 10:55:15 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 14, 2021, 10:57:12 PM
im down af for sam and a big fuckin ol at 2. i dont wanna trade i wanna bulk this motherfucking line up and 2 has the best chance at it bbIf you and the league thinks these quarterbacks are legit, you either take one or trade to someone who will take one.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 10:57:40 PM
im down af for sam and a big fuckin ol at 2. i dont wanna trade i wanna bulk this motherfucking line up and 2 has the best chance at it bb
While I'd understand Sewell at 2, it doesn't fix both guard spots. We're actually good at tackle with Becton and Fant.
If you can get a haul for that pick, you do it. You get better in a lot of places and improve in a hurry.
Post by: Coach K on January 14, 2021, 11:02:03 PM
trade down for Surtain, GORD at 23, Amon Ra St Brown at 34?
if not brown at 34 one of the bevy of picks we get in a trade down can be later than 34
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 11:03:50 PM
ok so if this happens, and we do pass on Wilson
trade down for Surtain, GORD at 23, Amon Ra St Brown at 34?
if not brown at 34 one of the bevy of picks we get in a trade down can be later than 34
If the team trades out of a 2 and wants Darnold to succeed, that first pick needs to be a WR.
Post by: Coach K on January 14, 2021, 11:04:58 PM
If the team trades out of a 2 and wants Darnold to succeed, that first pick needs to be a WR.
yeah i was just going to add that, im just spitballing ways to address multiple needs
optimally you go Chase or Smith in that trade down
whos some good FA CB?
Post by: Coach K on January 14, 2021, 11:06:05 PM
yeah i got a boner thinking of that
Smith will work too
Post by: Libero_2 on January 14, 2021, 11:08:02 PM
yeah i was just going to add that, im just spitballing ways to address multiple needs
optimally you go Chase or Smith in that trade down
whos some good FA CB?
Richard Sherman and Patrick Peterson (I believe) will be on the market. If you want guys to start a culture shift and teach the young guys how to play, hard to get much better than those guys in your locker room. Neither should be too guys any more and neither should command big time money either
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2021, 11:08:04 PM
yeah i was just going to add that, im just spitballing ways to address multiple needshttps://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/cornerback
optimally you go Chase or Smith in that trade down
whos some good FA CB?
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2021, 11:11:34 PM
Richard Sherman and Patrick Peterson (I believe) will be on the market. If you want guys to start a culture shift and teach the young guys how to play, hard to get much better than those guys in your locker room. Neither should be too guys any more and neither should command big time money either
Pat Pete's going to make big money still, he's 30 but he's still elite and the dude is iron. He never gets injured. He won't get top 3 corner money but I bet Arizona pay him a ton to stay on like a 3 year deal, they'd be mad not to.
Post by: Coach K on January 14, 2021, 11:14:24 PM
go get Witherspoon and Sherman lol let them share snaps with Hall
Witherspoon is pretty damn good
Post by: mj2sexay on January 14, 2021, 11:16:28 PM
Richard Sherman and Patrick Peterson (I believe) will be on the market. If you want guys to start a culture shift and teach the young guys how to play, hard to get much better than those guys in your locker room. Neither should be too guys any more and neither should command big time money either
If Kris Richard is the pick to come help run Saleh's defense, I wouldn't be surprised to see them target Chidobe Awuzie instead of going big game hunting, if they don't land Sherman or decide they need more behind a one year signing.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 14, 2021, 11:20:40 PM
While I'd understand Sewell at 2, it doesn't fix both guard spots. We're actually good at tackle with Becton and Fant.
If you can get a haul for that pick, you do it. You get better in a lot of places and improve in a hurry.
Wouldn't drafting a RT at #2 be kinda, weird?
I'm all for rebuilding the OL, but think it would be far more valuable to trade back and multiple OL
Even if Fant is a long term answer the interior OL needs some love
Post by: Coach K on January 14, 2021, 11:22:53 PM
If Kris Richard is the pick to come help run Saleh's defense, I wouldn't be surprised to see them target Chidobe Awuzie instead of going big game hunting, if they don't land Sherman or decide they need more behind a one year signing.I love Awuzie he'd be nice here
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2021, 11:24:24 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1349949953414754305?s=19
Post by: Coach K on January 14, 2021, 11:31:21 PM
Like Heis first said though, it has to be a trade down for a WR though if Sam Darnold is gonna get another go
Post by: dcm1602 on January 14, 2021, 11:39:10 PM
im down for whatever, we either build the right way for Darnold or we get a clean slate with Wilson.
Like Heis first said though, it has to be a trade down for a WR though if Sam Darnold is gonna get another go
I think it really depends on how far down we trade
A small trade down and 100% has to be a wideout
A bigger trade down, and we could be looking at an extra 1st next year and probably having to settle for value with our first this year.
Being able to get one of the top 2 wideouts in a trade down would be an absolute homerun for this team though
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 14, 2021, 11:40:36 PM
If the team trades out of a 2 and wants Darnold to succeed, that first pick needs to be a WR.I don't necessarily agree. If you get Darnold more protection and a more consistent running game, he will look a lot better. You can draft a WR later in Day 1 or on Day 2. Recent history has shown that consistently.
I agree we need to invest significant assets at WR. Trading down and getting a WR is one of my favorite options. But if they trade down and take an OL with their first pick, I'm alright with that, as long as WR is adequately addressed with some combination of free agency and the draft. I would love two receivers in the first three rounds, especially if we trade down.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 14, 2021, 11:46:20 PM
I don't necessarily agree. If you get Darnold more protection and a more consistent running game, he will look a lot better.
Our issues with protection are on the interior.
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You can draft a WR later in Day 1 or on Day 2. Recent history has shown that consistently.
Each class is different. This class is loaded at the top: Chase, Smith, and Waddle. After that, there's a steep drop off. Guys like Terrace Marshall and Rashod Bateman are not elite prospects like the Top 3.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 14, 2021, 11:50:46 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2021, 11:58:58 PM
Post by: Jumbo on January 15, 2021, 01:27:14 AM
Each class is different. This class is loaded at the top: Chase, Smith, and Waddle. After that, there's a steep drop off. Guys like Terrace Marshall and Rashod Bateman are not elite prospects like the Top 3.
You could have said that about this past class with Ruggs/Jeudy/Lamb looked at as the clear top 3, with Justin Jefferson 4th performing the best of them so far (albeit with the best QB situation of those so far as well). Also not clear any of the other WRs are on JJ's level, but still, it's almost never that clearcut.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2021, 06:46:04 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2021, 06:48:06 AM
QB at #2 is still in play, i believe.
Schefter is obviously one of the top insiders, but that's lazy journalism. He's probably sore that he got outscooped twice today (Saleh, and Herb Meyer).
Post by: dcm1602 on January 15, 2021, 06:54:20 AM
I'm not convinced Darnold is coming back yet. Saleh hasn't evaluated him, watched tape, etc etc.
QB at #2 is still in play, i believe.
Schefter is obviously one of the top insiders, but that's lazy journalism. He's probably sore that he got outscooped twice today (Saleh, and Herb Meyer).
Between now and the draft there's way too many moving parts. Guys could have stellar combines, shitty trade market, free agent trades /signings etc
But based on all reports I'd say there's fairly high probability Darnolds back next year.
Of course we'd be bringing in competition, but it seems like Darnold will still be here.
Heck mcshay has been saying it for a while and him and JD are BFF
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2021, 06:57:54 AM
Between now and the draft there's way too many moving parts. Guys could have stellar combines, shitty trade market, free agent trades /signings etc
But based on all reports I'd say there's fairly high probability Darnolds back next year.
Of course we'd be bringing in competition, but it seems like Darnold will still be here.
Darnold absolutely could be back next year. For a new HC, that's risky since he's on the last year of his rookie deal.
My point is that i don't think any real decisions have been made yet. Not until April.
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2021, 07:03:17 AM
I'm not convinced Darnold is coming back yet. Saleh hasn't evaluated him, watched tape, etc etc.Generally agree with this.
QB at #2 is still in play, i believe.
Schefter is obviously one of the top insiders, but that's lazy journalism. He's probably sore that he got outscooped twice today (Saleh, and Herb Meyer).
But putting out the idea that we might not take a QB at 2 could potentially open us up to more trade offers for #2. If we are putting out the idea we are taking a QB no matter what some teams might not bother to reach out.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2021, 07:08:41 AM
Generally agree with this.
But putting out the idea that we might not take a QB at 2 could potentially open us up to more trade offers for #2. If we are putting out the idea we are taking a QB no matter what some teams might not bother to reach out.
Solid point
Post by: dcm1602 on January 15, 2021, 07:16:40 AM
Darnold absolutely could be back next year. For a new HC, that's risky since he's on the last year of his rookie deal.
My point is that i don't think any real decisions have been made yet. Not until April.
Well I agree that everything will likely be fluid up till and through the draft.
But I don't think it's nearly that risky for Saleh.
If Darnold sucks, we move on and get a QB the next year. His failure is a reflection on previous gms and coaches here, nkt Saleh. And it's not were looking at Omg can't miss QB prospects. That people would endlessly bash the Jets for trading out of the 2nd pick during a full rebuild.
Joe Douglas could get some flak, but it sounds like rebuilding the talent on the team is the biggest priority. And trading our gives us pieces to do that. Though I still wouldn't be surprised to see us grab a QB if ones available in the draft
Post by: bojanglesman on January 15, 2021, 07:20:11 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2021, 07:20:39 AM
Well I agree that everything will likely be fluid up till and through the draft.
But I don't think it's nearly that risky for Saleh.
If Darnold sucks, we move on and get a QB the next year. His failure is a reflection on previous gms and coaches here, nkt Saleh. And it's not were looking at Omg can't miss QB prospects. That people would endlessly bash the Jets for trading out of the 2nd pick during a full rebuild.
Joe Douglas could get some flak, but it sounds like rebuilding the talent on the team is the biggest priority. And trading our gives us pieces to do that. Though I still wouldn't be surprised to see us grab a QB if ones available in the draft
It's not that simple....the QB class in 2022 is a weak one. That's why i said some hard decisions will happen this offseason, and they probably haven't been made yet.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2021, 07:22:15 AM
I hate the idea of picking at 2 this year. No player besides Lawrence worth it. Please Doug-based god trade out. I almost don't care how far down, get moar picks. Atlanta would be perfect.
the tank would've alleviated this (looking at you JE).
Trade out would be an ideal situation....but as we all know, tough to orchestrate. Unless we pull the Chris Ballard and find a desperate team to trade up before the draft.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 15, 2021, 07:24:55 AM
Is Sam the answer? I don't have a clue. I wouldn't bet a paycheck on it. But if you can get a Ditka, take it.
Both the GM and the new HC have long-term contracts. They can afford to give it a year to see what happens with Darnold and if he fails, assuming part of the Ditka is picks in next year's and 2023's drafts, use the ammo to move up for a guy next year.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2021, 07:27:22 AM
the tank would've alleviated this (looking at you JE).
Trade out would be an ideal situation....but as we all know, tough to orchestrate. Unless we pull the Chris Ballard and find a desperate team to trade up before the draft.
Maybe we just think it’s tough to orchestrate because MacCagnan could never do it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 15, 2021, 07:27:58 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2021, 07:28:50 AM
Maybe we just think it’s tough to orchestrate because MacCagnan could never do it.
This is where our collective fanbase PTSD kicks in. I'm hoping this subsides soon. It's gonna take some time.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2021, 07:35:44 AM
If they keep Sam, they have to bring in a vet to compete with him this year. No free ride.
Agreed. We need someone who can actually compete with him. No more of this stupid mentor QB bullshit.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2021, 07:47:49 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2021, 07:48:18 AM
Jacoby Brissett is a free agent this offseason...
Sold.
If Darnold wins the job, it’s hopefully because he’s starting to mature into the player MacCagnan drafted him to be.
If he loses the job, Brissett is a great option for a stop-gap.
If Darnold wins but doesn’t become a franchise player, then he would serve as a decent stop-gap.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 15, 2021, 07:53:34 AM
Sold.
If Darnold wins the job, it’s hopefully because he’s starting to mature into the player MacCagnan drafted him to be.
If he loses the job, Brissett is a great option for a stop-gap.
If Darnold wins but doesn’t become a franchise player, then he would serve as a decent stop-gap.
it would be nice to see what darnold could do with an offseason/year under lafleur
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2021, 07:54:47 AM
I'm not convinced Darnold is coming back yet. Saleh hasn't evaluated him, watched tape, etc etc.
QB at #2 is still in play, i believe.
Schefter is obviously one of the top insiders, but that's lazy journalism. He's probably sore that he got outscooped twice today (Saleh, and Herb Meyer).
I don’t think Schefter is connecting the dots here.
This reeks of a leak from within the Jets org.
Saying they have confidence in Darnold boosts his trade value way more than if we said we’re done with him and want to move on.
It also will open us up to more offers for the #2 pick than if teams think we are locked in on drafting a QB.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 15, 2021, 07:55:44 AM
it would be nice to see what darnold could do with an offseason/year under lafleur
I don't think it can get any worse than how we played the last two years under the worst coach in franchise history
Post by: Libero_2 on January 15, 2021, 08:02:08 AM
I don’t think Schefter is connecting the dots here.
This reeks of a leak from within the Jets org.
Saying they have confidence in Darnold boosts his trade value way more than if we said we’re done with him and want to move on.
It also will open us up to more offers for the #2 pick than if teams think we are locked in on drafting a QB.
It's certainly not going to hurt to have this working for us.
The decision might also depend on which 'asset' we can get better trade value for. Obviously the #2 will fetch more than Sam, but if we can get a mid 2nd + for Sam (perhaps San Fran?) that might be better value than trading #2 for #4
their 2021 3 and a 2022 2nd.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 15, 2021, 08:02:37 AM
I don't think it can get any worse than how we played the last two years under the worst coach in franchise history
i think the assumption has to be that with the new setup trending towards the way it is right now, along with changes/additions to the offensive side of the ball that we assume we're going to make via FA/the draft, that there is no way that he plays worse than he did last year. the question is what his potential ceiling remains to be and whether it's worth it to settle for that this upcoming year when some good QB prospects are looking you in the face at 2
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2021, 08:28:29 AM
1:50
Watch the entire clip though, it’s good stuff
Post by: insanity on January 15, 2021, 10:11:59 AM
This reeks of a leak from within the Jets org.
This is exactly my thought when I heard him say that.
Post by: Laxin on January 15, 2021, 10:17:50 AM
I'd love for Sam to be the answer, but he was terrible this year- not just bad.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2021, 10:18:57 AM
Why the change of tune from everybody with drafting a QB vs keeping Sam? Seems even just before this hire most of the board was for drafting a QB at 2, and now that's changed...
I'd love for Sam to be the answer, but he was terrible this year- not just bad.
I think everyone is mostly reacting to the Shefter report, not necessarily buying in that it’s the best course of action.
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2021, 10:21:19 AM
Why the change of tune from everybody with drafting a QB vs keeping Sam? Seems even just before this hire most of the board was for drafting a QB at 2, and now that's changed...My original position when things started to go south was that I wanted Trevor if we picked #1 but that I'd rather give Darnold a last shot in 2021 if we didn't.
I'd love for Sam to be the answer, but he was terrible this year- not just bad.
Then Darnold was worse than I had hoped, we played our way out of #1 and Wilson emerged as a possibility, so the situation became muddled.
I still have it in me to root for Sam if that's who we roll with but I'm also fine if they move on (in a direction I like).
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2021, 10:25:39 AM
Why the change of tune from everybody with drafting a QB vs keeping Sam? Seems even just before this hire most of the board was for drafting a QB at 2, and now that's changed...
I'd love for Sam to be the answer, but he was terrible this year- not just bad.
I haven't changed my tune on Sam....my preference is still to draft Wilson at 2.
But i will trust what this regime decides to do. If that's to go with Sam, than i wish them luck and hope he turns the corner in 2021.
Post by: IATA on January 15, 2021, 10:27:26 AM
again, the devil i know.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 15, 2021, 10:29:17 AM
Why the change of tune from everybody with drafting a QB vs keeping Sam? Seems even just before this hire most of the board was for drafting a QB at 2, and now that's changed...Because I think all of us like Sam personally, and we would like Sam to succeed. Especially since it would allow us to keep our other resources. However, we've all had our faith shaken in Sam to varying degrees.
I'd love for Sam to be the answer, but he was terrible this year- not just bad.
Even me. After I saw the Schefter report, I was ready to roll it back with Darnold.
Then I watched some of Baldinger's Becton clips in a YouTube montage the Jets put out since I was hyped about Saleh. And while Becton was great, and Baldy was hilarious, virtually every great Becton block on a pass play was met by an absolutely headscratching throw by Darnold. It was depressing. There were a couple good plays by Sam, but a lot of horrible ones.
Post by: reuben on January 15, 2021, 10:33:49 AM
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2021, 10:51:27 AM
All I can think of is how many championships the Chargers would have had if they had taken Larry Fitzgerald instead of Philip Rivers(Manning).Damn, Brees and Fitz.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 15, 2021, 10:54:51 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 15, 2021, 10:56:40 AM
BDE
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2021, 11:03:26 AM
Post by: reuben on January 15, 2021, 11:29:43 AM
Damn, Brees and Fitz.
Brees and Fitz, VJax, Gates, LT, Michael Turner... would have been unstoppable.
The Spanos would've fucked it up somehow, but still.
Post by: Johnny English on January 15, 2021, 11:44:24 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 15, 2021, 11:52:46 AM
I'm assuming that there's no opportunity for Saleh and LaFleur to get on a training field with Sam between now and the draft, right? So they're going to be making the decision as to what their direction is based upon Zoom calls, tape, and Joe Douglas's views. Of course, it's not like they know nothing about Sam and I'm sure that he will have been a big topic of conversation in the interviews, but I'm just trying to figure out how informed they're likely to be able to make themselves before they have to commit one way or the other.Saleh has been on the field against him this year. That's something I guess.
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2021, 11:54:46 AM
I'm assuming that there's no opportunity for Saleh and LaFleur to get on a training field with Sam between now and the draft, right? So they're going to be making the decision as to what their direction is based upon Zoom calls, tape, and Joe Douglas's views. Of course, it's not like they know nothing about Sam and I'm sure that he will have been a big topic of conversation in the interviews, but I'm just trying to figure out how informed they're likely to be able to make themselves before they have to commit one way or the other.I think the tape is more valuable that whatever they'd get from seeing him throw in shorts next month.
Post by: IATA on January 15, 2021, 12:00:28 PM
I've always held on to Alex Smith as an example of the late blooming QB (and Darnold is still young enough to not be late). He didn't even have a decent year until his 5th (4th playing).
theres some parallels, excrement teams with excrement for talent and excrement coaches in a constant carousel. once alex got a stable system with players to suit him, he hit his stride.
i dont think alex was as highly rated as sam was, and theres always going to be the rodgers shadow looming over that draft.
darnold for qb 2021
Post by: Coach K on January 15, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
And we'd have more talent ready for said new QB in 2022
So I mean long term its less risky than rolling the dice on a rook with no extra picks to help
Trade down would get a ransom
Get Chase or Smith and then a GORD
Then let the board dictate
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2021, 12:40:46 PM
We have enough assets next yr to make a move for a QB if Sam fails
And we'd have more talent ready for said new QB in 2022
So I mean long term its less risky than rolling the dice on a rook with no extra picks to help
Trade down would get a ransom
Get Chase or Smith and then a GORD
Then let the board dictate
I’m typically of the opinion that the more talent that is ready to go around a new QB, the better said QB will be able to perform so I would agree with this.
In the beginning of the season I said I’d rather hold on to Darnold and sign a vet to compete with him than draft a rookie QB because we didn’t know what kind of offense we’d have.
If we keep Darnold and get someone like Brissett to compete for the job then we can use the picks this season to build an offense that can support a rookie QB and use next season’s capital to target our QB of the future, assuming Darnold never progresses past JAG status.
Field’s definitely isn’t worth the #2 pick and I don’t think Wilson is worth it, either. If we hold at two we should target Sewell (sorry, Fant).
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 15, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
My original position when things started to go south was that I wanted Trevor if we picked #1 but that I'd rather give Darnold a last shot in 2021 if we didn't.
Then Darnold was worse than I had hoped, we played our way out of #1 and Wilson emerged as a possibility, so the situation became muddled.
I still have it in me to root for Sam if that's who we roll with but I'm also fine if they move on (in a direction I like).
+1 on this whole post.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 15, 2021, 01:15:40 PM
My original position when things started to go south was that I wanted Trevor if we picked #1 but that I'd rather give Darnold a last shot in 2021 if we didn't.Yep.
Then Darnold was worse than I had hoped, we played our way out of #1 and Wilson emerged as a possibility, so the situation became muddled.
I still have it in me to root for Sam if that's who we roll with but I'm also fine if they move on (in a direction I like).
My transition was...
1. I love Sam, we're not getting Trevor Lawrence, gtfo
2. Okay, we really suck, and if we do get the #1 pick, we have to take Trevor. If Sam can't win 1 game...
3. Sam can't stay healthy and kind of sucks...maybe we should look at Wilson and Fields, too.
4. Sam sucks and we probably shouldn't go into next season with him as the default starter without a legit backup plan.
I still like Sam personally. There is talent in there. But man, he was hard to watch this season. Hopefully, he'll be different with a new head coach, but a lot of his issues seemed to go deeper than coaching.
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2021, 01:27:17 PM
We have enough assets next yr to make a move for a QB if Sam fails
And we'd have more talent ready for said new QB in 2022
Another reason to move down in 2021 if we're sticking with Sam is to set up a contingency plan for 2022 by amassing more draft capital.
Post by: IATA on January 15, 2021, 01:47:46 PM
We have enough assets next yr to make a move for a QB if Sam fails
And we'd have more talent ready for said new QB in 2022
So I mean long term its less risky than rolling the dice on a rook with no extra picks to help
Trade down would get a ransom
Get Chase or Smith and then a GORD
Then let the board dictate
feel very similar here. build the team now and see what we can do, we have plenty of firepower to move up next year if we need, or if darnold gets it together with a good leader and coach, keep building.
we can do itttttt
Post by: Libero_2 on January 15, 2021, 04:24:34 PM
Another reason to move down in 2021 if we're sticking with Sam is to set up a contingency plan for 2022 by amassing more draft capital.
Might be tough to get a team to jump to 2 and give us their 2022 1st rounder. If we don’t think that Fields is worth the 2 why is someone going to give the Ditka for him?
The only semi-realistic deal I can think of is Atlanta giving us #4 + 2022 #1. But I feel like JD would want an additional pick this year to actually build with as well. I’m not sure I can see that actually being plausible.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2021, 04:27:31 PM
Might be tough to get a team to jump to 2 and give us their 2022 1st rounder. If we don’t think that Fields is worth the 2 why is someone going to give the Ditka for him?
Because stupid teams do stupid excrement all the time.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 15, 2021, 04:29:56 PM
Because stupid teams do stupid excrement all the time.
That’s what I said the entire draft season of 2019 when we were sitting at 3. Somebody will bite. And nobody seems to have tried.
Hopefully this year is different and we get the haul of a lifetime. One that makes the RGIII trade blush
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2021, 04:38:18 PM
That’s what I said the entire draft season of 2019 when we were sitting at 3. Somebody will bite. And nobody seems to have tried.
Hopefully this year is different and we get the haul of a lifetime. One that makes the RGIII trade blush
Again: MacCagnan.
Post by: reuben on January 15, 2021, 05:16:42 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2021, 05:19:57 PM
You can call somebody to trade up, but you can't call somebody to trade down. Tua is in Miami, and more importantly, so is the administration that scouted and drafted him. I just don't see why anybody needs to get to 1.02.
Anyone who wants to skip Atlanta after they ditch Matty Ice.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2021, 05:20:00 PM
You can call somebody to trade up, but you can't call somebody to trade down. Tua is in Miami, and more importantly, so is the administration that scouted and drafted him. I just don't see why anybody needs to get to 1.02.
Sewell
Post by: Rosetta Stoned on January 15, 2021, 05:28:25 PM
Anyone who wants to skip Atlanta after they ditch Matty Ice.
His cap hit would be enormus if the Falcons were to get rid of him. I doubt Ryan is going anywhere this year, without a massive restruct.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 15, 2021, 05:31:17 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 15, 2021, 05:32:18 PM
You can call somebody to trade up, but you can't call somebody to trade down. Tua is in Miami, and more importantly, so is the administration that scouted and drafted him. I just don't see why anybody needs to get to 1.02.
Because it's a QB
Your words Miami can afford to trade down, as they don't "need" a QB.
Sure a team can hammer out a deal in principal with Miami, and then someone can jump up to #2 to get their guy. It's the same way they jets traded up with Darnold. We went up to 3 because that's the only way to guarantee we got someone we were happy with.
If teams have 3 QB's they're happy with sure trading up to Miami makes sense.
But if there's only one guy teams want (outside of Lawrence), then trading to #2 is the only way to guarantee getting them.
Hopefully the gap between the 2nd and 3rd best QB in the draft widens significantly before draft day
Post by: Johnny English on January 15, 2021, 05:54:26 PM
His cap hit would be enormus if the Falcons were to get rid of him. I doubt Ryan is going anywhere this year, without a massive restruct.
Jeez, you weren't lying. The Falcons are in a tough spot against the cap, and if they cut or trade Ryan he has a $50M cap hit. That contract is a freaking disaster.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2021, 06:04:57 PM
Jeez, you weren't lying. The Falcons are in a tough spot against the cap, and if they cut or trade Ryan he has a $50M cap hit. That contract is a freaking disaster.
What. The. freak?
They must have assumed he’d retire by this point.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 15, 2021, 06:18:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 15, 2021, 06:33:18 PM
Matt Ryan is still a good QB. He isn't the problem there.He's 36 next season.
Post by: MBGreen on January 15, 2021, 06:35:48 PM
He's 36 next season.
Feed him some dandelions and wheat grass a la Bardy....he'll play another 25 years.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 15, 2021, 07:28:50 PM
He's 36 next season.So?
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2021, 07:51:49 PM
So?Overdue for his Logan's Run appt
Post by: dcm1602 on January 15, 2021, 08:07:28 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 15, 2021, 09:16:02 PM
So?So $40M a year is a lot for a guy who could fall off a cliff any time soon.
Post by: insanity on January 19, 2021, 05:31:16 AM
What would Sam need to do in 2021 for you to be comfortable resigning him 2022?
Is that possible?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 19, 2021, 06:54:18 AM
I think the easiest way to make a decision on Sam is by answering 2 simple questions.
What would Sam need to do in 2021 for you to be comfortable franchise tagging him for 2022?
Is that possible?
I think it's easier for Sam to earn the tag than a 4 or 5 year contract in the 8 figure range
Post by: Laxin on January 19, 2021, 07:17:01 AM
I think the easiest way to make a decision on Sam is by answering 2 simple questions.
What would Sam need to do in 2021 for you to be comfortable resigning him 2022?
Is that possible?
Win at least 8 games, play all 16, throw for ~4000 yards, 25-30TDs and <10INTs. I think he needs to be convincingly good after such a bad year. Worst case scenario is him making a moderate improvement from last year to give some hope but still being in the bottom third of the league.
Post by: insanity on January 19, 2021, 07:18:57 AM
Win at least 8 games, play all 16, throw for ~4000 yards, 25-30TDs and <10INTs. I think he needs to be convincingly good after such a bad year. Worst case scenario is him making a moderate improvement from last year to give some hope but still being in the bottom third of the league.I think that's the baseline for a franchise tag which is still an exorbitent amount of money on an average player.
Unless we add an additional year at 5-10m to his contract I think we've seen the last of sam
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2021, 01:47:15 PM
I think the easiest way to make a decision on Sam is by answering 2 simple questions.Rank in the top half of the league in most statistical categories. I don't like giving set numbers for him to try to attain, but he's been consistently at or near the bottom in every category. He needs a significant jump
What would Sam need to do in 2021 for you to be comfortable resigning him 2022?
Is that possible?
Post by: Johnny English on January 19, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
Rank in the top half of the league in most statistical categories. I don't like giving set numbers for him to try to attain, but he's been consistently at or near the bottom in every category. He needs a significant jump
So what's the comparison point you think he should be looking to be by this time next year - Derek Carr, Matt Stafford type of performance? That says to me "capable of driving his team to winning games, doesn't do things that lose them, but can be at times no more than average and doesn't consistently put the team on his back". Personally I think that that would be a reasonable expectation of a one year improvement.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2021, 02:14:18 PM
So what's the comparison point you think he should be looking to be by this time next year - Derek Carr, Matt Stafford type of performance? That says to me "capable of driving his team to winning games, doesn't do things that lose them, but can be at times no more than average and doesn't consistently put the team on his back". Personally I think that that would be a reasonable expectation of a one year improvement.
That kind of performance shouldn't get him an extension
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2021, 02:44:31 PM
That kind of performance shouldn't get him an extensionDisagree. If we have a 24-year old quarterback who was league average, we should extend him to a reasonable contract. If he wants a lot more money than he's worth, he is replaceable, but if Darnold puts up a league average season, I assume we will keep him.
Also, if Darnold has a league-average season and stays healthy, we probably will be on the edge of the playoff race, and won't have a high enough draft pick to get an elite QB in the draft, so we might not have better options.
Post by: Johnny English on January 19, 2021, 02:46:26 PM
That kind of performance shouldn't get him an extension
I think there's a lot more nuance than you're allowing for there. Shouldn't get him any extension anywhere? That kind of performance would be perfectly acceptable to many teams for the right price.
Presuming you're saying shouldn't get him an extension here, I think it's still an oversimplification. I think it would be enough to raise the discussion, which would require the context of the eye test to determine whether we think it's him finally making the journey to being a reliable franchise QB, a flash in the pan, or the highest level of play that he can be expected to consistently produce.
Post by: MBGreen on January 19, 2021, 02:50:02 PM
Post by: insanity on January 19, 2021, 05:08:44 PM
That kind of performance shouldn't get him an extensionI agree. That type of performance makes you comfortable with Sam, but it doesn't make you comfortable with the amount you have to pay him and the opportunity cost of not drafting a QB in 2021 or getting nothing for Darnold from a trade.
I'll say it again. Unless they agree to an affordable extension this year, I don't think Sam will be here next year. There is just too much risk.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 19, 2021, 05:13:17 PM
Disagree. If we have a 24-year old quarterback who was league average, we should extend him to a reasonable contract. If he wants a lot more money than he's worth, he is replaceable, but if Darnold puts up a league average season, I assume we will keep him.
Also, if Darnold has a league-average season and stays healthy, we probably will be on the edge of the playoff race, and won't have a high enough draft pick to get an elite QB in the draft, so we might not have better options.
Darnold putting up an average season, would be a 24 year old top 3 drafted QB showing a massive improvement
I find it difficult to believe that wouldn't be someone worth seriously considering extending
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2021, 05:17:42 PM
Darnold putting up an average season, would be a 24 year old top 3 drafted QB showing a massive improvement
I find it difficult to believe that wouldn't be someone worth seriously considering extending
Well this solidifies my opinion.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2021, 05:20:13 PM
Agreed. That's exactly the season you would be hoping for if you keep him. Unless they want to tag-and-trade him.
Darnold putting up an average season, would be a 24 year old top 3 drafted QB showing a massive improvement
I find it difficult to believe that wouldn't be someone worth seriously considering extending
If the Jets don't think a league-average season is enough to keep building around Darnold, then just trade him now and take someone else at 2. You would be keeping Darnold because you believe in him long-term, and if that's the case, then an "average" season puts his development back on track. I don't think it's realistic to ask for that much more right now considering his play thus far in his career. Maybe he can be like his boy Josh Allen and go from being below average to MVP candidate, but that seems unlikely.
Of course, it all depends on what contract Darnold would want. If he wants a king's ransom off one average season, then maybe we tag him or tag-and-trade him.
If we are talking about Darnold being worth a 2nd-round pick right now, when his value is as low as it's ever been, then you can't not want him if he takes major strides forward.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2021, 05:21:47 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2021, 05:22:21 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2021, 05:25:02 PM
I'm never going to be okay with paying $25M+ for a shitty quarterback that's elevated himself to average.That's fine if you think that way, but if that's the case and you're Joe Douglas, then trade him now and start over with a new QB because expectations are too high.
It would be horrible roster management if we keep our 24-year old QB to give him another chance, he does pretty well with that chance, and then we just let him walk for nothing and start from scratch again at QB.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2021, 05:29:51 PM
That's fine if you think that way, but if that's the case and you're Joe Douglas, then trade him now and start over with a new QB because expectations are too high.
I want to trade him ASAP. If we don't acquire Deshaun Watson, then I want Zach Wilson with the second pick.
Post by: Johnny English on January 19, 2021, 05:40:21 PM
I'm never going to be okay with paying $25M+ for a shitty quarterback that's elevated himself to average.
I would be very OK with giving Derek Carr money to a player giving me Derek Carr production, particularly one who is 24 and finally on an upward trajectory.
Post by: insanity on January 19, 2021, 05:40:52 PM
Wut? Lmao
Darnold putting up an average season, would be a 24 year old top 3 drafted QB showing a massive improvement
I find it difficult to believe that wouldn't be someone worth seriously considering extending
It doesn't matter what should be considered. It needs to be definitive.
What would sam darnold need to do in 2021 to make you feel confident enough to give him a 3 year $60M contract and pass on a qb in 2021 and 2022
If you don't think the answer to that is likely let alone possible you can't pass on a qb in 2021.
It is literally that simple.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2021, 05:41:29 PM
I would be very OK with giving Derek Carr money to a player giving me Derek Carr production, particularly one who is 24 and finally on an upward trajectory.
Derek Carr doesn't make stupid derriere decisions.
I don't think that Darnold is fixable.
Post by: Johnny English on January 19, 2021, 05:46:47 PM
Derek Carr doesn't make stupid derriere decisions.
I don't think that Darnold is fixable.
That's fair, but this started from a hypothetical in which he proves himself to be "capable of driving his team to winning games, doesn't do things that lose them, but can be at times no more than average and doesn't consistently put the team on his back". That would seem to suggest that in this hypothetical situation the stupid derriere decisions are pretty much gone, presumably because he's playing for coaches who a) don't put him in a position where he feels he has to try and take chances to win the game, b) get it trained into his brain that he bails on plays that don't have a high percentage chance of success, and c) help him be better at identifying those situations.
I'm perfectly willing to accept that you don't think he can be that player, but that isn't what you said before. You said that "that kind of performance shouldn't get him an extension". I disagree with you on that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2021, 05:48:13 PM
Wut? LmaoIt's not quite that simple because I don't think there is a specific benchmark you can put on Darnold that I need to see. I would need to see significant improvement. I would need to see games where he carried the offense and made a lot of great plays to the point that he was at least a league-average quarterback. I can't tell you what that is until I see it.
It doesn't matter what should be considered. It needs to be definitive.
What would sam darnold need to do in 2021 to make you feel confident enough to give him a 3 year $60M contract and pass on a qb in 2021 and 2022
If you don't think the answer to that is likely let alone possible you can't pass on a qb in 2021.
It is literally that simple.
If you think he needs to play at a Pro Bowl level or close to it in order to sign him, I agree you deal him now. I'm still leaning that way to trade him and start over again, and the contract is a big reason why. I don't think it's a no-brainer either way to dump Darnold though. It's a really tough choice.
Post by: MBGreen on January 19, 2021, 05:48:43 PM
I would be very OK with giving Derek Carr money to a player giving me Derek Carr production, particularly one who is 24 and finally on an upward trajectory.Upward trajectory? Not yet. A coaching change doesn't automatically make Sam serviceable.
He was terrible this season.
You won't know if Sam is on the right path until he plays next season.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2021, 05:49:44 PM
You won't know if Sam is on the right path until he plays next season.
Too big of a risk unless you bring in someone like Jacoby Brissett to compete.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2021, 05:50:40 PM
Upward trajectory? Not yet. A coaching change doesn't automatically make Sam serviceable.Yes, and the whole point is that this is a hypothetical scenario where he plays at this mythical Derek Carr level, which would put him on an upward trajectory compared to where he is now.
He was terrible this season.
You won't know if Sam is on the right path until he plays next season.
JE, apparently this is more difficult than you thought.
Post by: Johnny English on January 19, 2021, 05:50:49 PM
Upward trajectory? Not yet. A coaching change doesn't automatically make Sam serviceable.
He was terrible this season.
You won't know if Sam is on the right path until he plays next season.
Sure. We're talking about hypothetical Sam though. If he has the season we're talking about, the trajectory would be significantly upward. If you don't believe that he can have that hypothetical season then I agree we should be rid of him now. I do believe that he can, others don't. I'm willing to accept the validity of that view even while disagreeing with it, because it's an unknown.
Post by: MBGreen on January 19, 2021, 05:50:52 PM
Too big of a risk unless you bring in someone like Jacoby Brissett to compete.I'm on the trade him and draft Wilson train.
Post by: MBGreen on January 19, 2021, 05:52:08 PM
Yes, and the whole point is that this is a hypothetical scenario where he plays at this mythical Derek Carr level, which would put him on an upward trajectory compared to where he is now.Oh...we're pretending. My bad.
JE, apparently this is more difficult than you thought.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2021, 05:53:02 PM
Oh...we're pretending. My bad.Pretending is the only way to think Sam Darnold is good.
Post by: MBGreen on January 19, 2021, 05:53:52 PM
Pretending is the only way to think Sam Darnold is good.Can we at least pretend he has Joe Montana talent?
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 19, 2021, 06:55:22 PM
Pretending is the only way to think Sam Darnold is good.
lmao. this is where we're at with him. we saw the season he just had. any talk of a theoretical 'upward trend' from sam is not based on any sort of objective data (such as his play) whatsoever. imagining him playing even at an average level next year is exactly that, imaginary fugazi.
i'm going to trust this coaching staff/FO with whatever decision they make, including keeping sam. if i had my way we'd deal him and start with fresh at 2.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on January 19, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
Too big of a risk unless you bring in someone like Jacoby Brissett to compete.
But what about James Morgan???
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2021, 09:33:51 PM
lmao. this is where we're at with him. we saw the season he just had. any talk of a theoretical 'upward trend' from sam is not based on any sort of objective data (such as his play) whatsoever.
Technically there's nowhere to go but up.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 19, 2021, 09:45:40 PM
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Technically there's nowhere to go but up.
Post by: Coach K on January 20, 2021, 08:07:18 AM
I think Sam migjt be able to be salvaged
Just don't think it's the move I'd want to make if my job depended on it
You can see a blue chip QB his rookie year.
You can see a broken kid who can barely see the field now
Again. I wouldn't be shocked if he turned himself around. I do believe it best serves both parties if he gets a fresh start elsewhere
All.that being said , if the staff thinks he can do it . If we can fix the OL and get some weapons.
Im.mot gonna riot if they give Sam 1 last chance
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2021, 08:32:59 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 20, 2021, 09:50:56 AM
people around the league will no doubt get clips/data/reports about some of these deficiencies but i think their view of darnold's 'big picture' will be marred by them:
1 - harkening back to the fact that he was the 3rd overall pick and arguably the best qb prospect of the 2018 draft
2 - thinking of the incompetency of the jet FO in the development of any player in general
3 - possessing a certain level of arrogance, as a result of their positions and of #2, in thinking that they have the ability to fix him and that the jets are just a mess (which i don't disagree with)
stuff like this is why darnold may possibly be seen as an asset of value to other teams
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2021, 09:57:03 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 20, 2021, 11:05:20 AM
So it's your theory that a bunch of people getting paid huge amounts of money a year to be experts on every single player in the league, with entire staffs dedicated to studying those players, their performance, their techniques and their strengths and weaknesses, and with relationships throughout the game with peers who can and do tell them things about players' personalities and tendencies that can only be observed through locker room and practice field interactions, know less than a bunch of schlubs who sit on their sofa every Sunday wearing pajama pants and drinking beer watching the games?
that's not what i said. cmon now. i said they'd have the information as to what his downsides are/have been but then stated points as to why i think they'd still think he is somebody that is a feasible reclamation project beyond the huge deficiencies and downtrend he's shown on tape.
i don't agree with thinking he is reclaimable at this point, but i'd love to be proven wrong. i just don't feel comfortable with the jets taking a risk on a hypothetical imaginary jump to a fugazi 'league average sam darnold' when everything he's shown us on the field points otherwise. like you said i'm not paid to make these decisions and others are, but even those people, despite everything they have at their disposal to make such decisions, make errors in judgment every single day
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2021, 11:28:42 AM
"Yeah, I guess you probably wouldn't want Darnold, he needs a more talented coaching staff than yours to fix his issues."
Reverse psychology their asses.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2021, 02:14:27 PM
All Joe Douglas has to do is neg other teams about their coaching ability.
"Yeah, I guess you probably wouldn't want Darnold, he needs a more talented coaching staff than yours to fix his issues."
Reverse psychology their asses.
“Darnold probably isn’t a fit for you guys, he needs a #1 receiver and all you have is Michael Thomas”
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2021, 03:08:53 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 20, 2021, 06:15:24 PM
i think the difference between us vs other people around the league who get paid a ton of money to do these jobs is that we've been seeing him/following him on a day in day out basis for the past 3 years and see the extreme deficiencies that have developed in his game that may not be fixable/coachable after the carnage sam has seen done to his career the last 2 seasons
people around the league will no doubt get clips/data/reports about some of these deficiencies but i think their view of darnold's 'big picture' will be marred by them:
1 - harkening back to the fact that he was the 3rd overall pick and arguably the best qb prospect of the 2018 draft
2 - thinking of the incompetency of the jet FO in the development of any player in general
3 - possessing a certain level of arrogance, as a result of their positions and of #2, in thinking that they have the ability to fix him and that the jets are just a mess (which i don't disagree with)
stuff like this is why darnold may possibly be seen as an asset of value to other teams
Even if this was true, it discounts the fact that the biggest decision maker on this team plus presumably his closes confidants have been a part of this organization for approaching two years now.
Meaning whatever fans hear and see, will pale greatly to the talent evaluators getting paid millions to evaluate players and personnel
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 01, 2021, 09:49:47 AM
lolStadium
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 01, 2021, 09:51:08 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 01, 2021, 09:52:43 AM
Lol I went to go read the article to see if they mention the “source” and the tweet just links to the App Store to download his dumbass garbage App
You weren't missing much.
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According to a source the phone has been ringing at One Jets Drive regarding QB Sam Darnold and the Jets have been listening.
We knew teams would have interest but it’s the first time we can confirm that the Jets have received calls.
We weren’t told how far along talks have gone or if offers were made but the Jets have been listening on all inquiries.
With the note from Albert Breer of the Jets inquiring with the Lions about Matt Stafford and the news of the Jets taking calls on Darnold, it’s safe to say the Jets will be very active in the QB market this offseason.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 01, 2021, 10:28:53 AM
At most the Jets are gaging Darnolds value if we land Watson. If we don't, there's a fairly high probability he's back. And unless teams are making insane offers with multiple first round picks for Darnold, the Jets aren't trading him without having another QB on the roster.
Post by: Johnny English on February 01, 2021, 10:33:14 AM
Anything on Darnold is worthless.
At most the Jets are gaging Darnolds value if we land Watson. If we don't, there's a fairly high probability he's back. And unless teams are making insane offers with multiple first round picks for Darnold, the Jets aren't trading him without having another QB on the roster.
Not necessarily true. The Jets have the #2 pick, so we're guaranteed to be able to have a QB to start the season.
Post by: Coach K on February 01, 2021, 12:00:41 PM
Not necessarily true. The Jets have the #2 pick, so we're guaranteed to be able to have a QB to start the season.This .
We can simply take a QB at 2 or trade down and select someone who falls
We can ship out Darnold regardless . It's whether they feel.theyre getting proper compensation or how sold they are with this year's class
Also, someone previously mentioned, trying to measure how much you can offset a Watson trade beforehand if you've already discussed price with HOU in private
Were at crossroads and I'm not opposed to any path
My only please don't do it is Justin Fields
Post by: Coach K on February 01, 2021, 12:01:19 PM
Post by: Coach K on February 01, 2021, 12:02:28 PM
I'm pretty sure that's what it would be .
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 01, 2021, 12:10:13 PM
I'm also not opposed to giving Darnold a non mentally handicapped coaching staff and Jamarr Chase or Devonta Smith in a trade down
As much as we'll miss the plays Gase drew up for Berrios, that would be better.
Post by: Johnny English on February 01, 2021, 12:38:24 PM
The fact a 5th yr option for Darnold is 25 mil is really working against him though
I'm pretty sure that's what it would be .
There's no way he's getting that option. Hypothetically speaking, if we kept him next year and if he looks massively improved under new coaching, my guess would be that we'd end up with something like a three year bridge deal with a bunch of incentives, and depending on how he looks in the first year of that you make the decision on whether you give him the big long term deal, let the bridge run another year, or move on from him.
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2021, 01:37:45 PM
There's no way he's getting that option. Hypothetically speaking, if we kept him next year and if he looks massively improved under new coaching, my guess would be that we'd end up with something like a three year bridge deal with a bunch of incentives, and depending on how he looks in the first year of that you make the decision on whether you give him the big long term deal, let the bridge run another year, or move on from him.Pretty much this. I don't foresee a scenario where Darnold is successful enough to deserve to stay at $25M yet also wants to leave after such a season.
Post by: Coach K on February 01, 2021, 05:28:42 PM
There's no way he's getting that option. Hypothetically speaking, if we kept him next year and if he looks massively improved under new coaching, my guess would be that we'd end up with something like a three year bridge deal with a bunch of incentives, and depending on how he looks in the first year of that you make the decision on whether you give him the big long term deal, let the bridge run another year, or move on from him.Yeah I mean this is likely true . It's also why it's my least favorite option lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 02, 2021, 08:06:15 PM
LOLSTADIUM TO THE MOON 🚀🚀🚀
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 02, 2021, 08:23:57 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 02, 2021, 08:49:39 PM
https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM/status/1356766835190956032?s=20
LOLSTADIUM TO THE MOON 🚀🚀🚀
So serious question,
Let’s pretend New Orleans calls you right now and says we will give you #28 straight up for Darnold but we have to execute the deal one the first day or Free Agency or else we have to go with another move at QB.
Are you talking that deal? Would you try and flip 28 to Houston for Watson? 3 1s this year is a hell a price that literally no one else in the league could even come close to matching.
The only downside of taking said deal is that you have to keep 2 if you can’t get Watson to secure a QB. This is likely the plan anyways, but it only works if you believe in Wilson/Fields/Lance to be the guy.
Post by: Badger on February 02, 2021, 09:11:21 PM
Are you talking that deal? Would you try and flip 28 to Houston for Watson?
Yes.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 03, 2021, 07:30:17 AM
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.ESPN's Adam Schefter thinks Sam Darnold could be worth a late first-round pick if traded.
This is not a report saying Darnold will fetch a late first-round pick, nor is it a report that Darnold will in fact be traded. Rather, it's his speculation after seeing what teams were offering for Matthew Stafford. The Jets haven't publicly shopped Darnold yet, but they certainly will be in the mix for Deshaun Watson if the Texans are willing to listen. Darnold, 24, has a career 6.6 yards per attempt average through three Adam Gase-led seasons. He hasn't played like a first-round pick under the worst circumstances, but 24-year-old quarterbacks with his pre-draft pedigree don't hit the market often. What the Jets do with their $63 million cap space and No. 2 overall pick is a leading offseason storyline.
And some of you fuckers think he's worth a 4th
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2021, 07:35:10 AM
A
And some of you fuckers think he's worth a 4th
Schefter also thinks the Jets aren't a major player for Watson.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 03, 2021, 07:38:32 AM
A
And some of you fuckers think he's worth a 4th
Scefter is straight garbage right now.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 03, 2021, 07:39:55 AM
A
And some of you fuckers think he's worth a 4th
that's literally just a blurb of speculation from a singular individual based off of the compensation from the stafford trade. schefter reports trades and he probably has a million times more knowledge, information, and contacts in football than I do, but he hasn't made any of these trades himself.
i can just as easily chime in with my own speculation and valuation. it took the rams two 1st round picks to upgrade from goff to stafford, a proven 10 year vet that has actually put up good seasons to back up his pre-draft pedigree. i think stating that darnold would net even 1/2 or 1/3 of that return, however you want to look at it, in the form of a 1st round pick is a near asinine/obnoxious price to expect for somebody with his body of work over 3 years.
also, he played under gase for two seasons, not 3.
those statements would read a lot different if schefter came out and said something like 'i've spoken to multiple teams that are willing to give up something like a 1st round pick for sam darnold if the jets are willing to listen'. he didn't say that
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2021, 08:00:09 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2021, 08:03:37 AM
Schefter also thinks the Jets aren't a major player for Watson.
Schefter hasn't said we aren't players. He just told Mike Greenberg not to get his hopes up. That was probably just a reflection of there being a million other teams wanting Watson. Despite us having the best pick package, there is always a way for us to lose out. The other unknown is whether Doug is reluctant to part ways with high draft picks under any circumstances. He may be a big believer in keeping and collecting draft picks no matter what. Who knows.
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2021, 08:26:24 AM
Schefter hasn't said we aren't players. He just told Mike Greenberg not to get his hopes up. That was probably just a reflection of there being a million other teams wanting Watson. Despite us having the best pick package, there is always a way for us to lose out. The other unknown is whether Doug is reluctant to part ways with high draft picks under any circumstances. He may be a big believer in keeping and collecting draft picks no matter what. Who knows.
But word on the street is Watson wants us. We need to take advantage of this.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 03, 2021, 09:06:50 AM
He's not netting a 1st. Maybe we get a 1st and give something back. Or we get a 2nd. I doubt we even get a 1st rounder as part of it at all.
All of this is more than he’s worth. Again! I’m really hoping that there is a GM dumb enough to pull the trigger on this.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2021, 09:18:05 AM
All of this is more than he’s worth. Again! I’m really hoping that there is a GM dumb enough to pull the trigger on this.
I think we could get a second round pick simply because he is a young QB with 3 years experience as a starter. There are probably several teams that think he just needs to have the Gase stink washed off to be a good starter in this league.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2021, 09:18:54 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2021, 09:20:19 AM
Cimini thinks we're keeping Sam for one more season
If we don't land Watson, I think it's more likely than not.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2021, 09:24:40 AM
If we don't land Watson, I think it's more likely than not.
I think we'll still go QB with our first pick and trade Sam Darnold.
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2021, 09:24:49 AM
Cimini thinks we're keeping Sam for one more season
He's usually wrong, like the rest of the Jets beat.
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2021, 09:26:25 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2021, 09:30:49 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2021, 09:37:14 AM
The Jets will sign Josh Rosen and draft Zach Wilson. Smug contest for starting rights.
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Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2021, 09:38:18 AM
The Jets will sign Josh Rosen and draft Zach Wilson. Smug contest for starting rights.
Zach Wilson is not smug. He just looks like a Mighty Ducks villain.
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2021, 09:38:51 AM
Zach Wilson is not smug. He just looks like a Mighty Ducks villain.
#CakeEaterSZN
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 03, 2021, 01:37:06 PM
Zach Wilson is not smug.
You can’t prove that.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 03, 2021, 01:56:30 PM
You can’t prove that.
You can't prove that he is.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 03, 2021, 01:58:38 PM
You can't prove that he is.
That's why I stayed away from the original comment.
Post by: Badger on February 03, 2021, 02:18:31 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on February 03, 2021, 02:28:57 PM
Zach Wilson,Smaug?
We are gonna draft a dragon? freak yes
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 03, 2021, 07:29:30 PM
All secondhand from listening to an interview with Alan Hahn on Michael Kay so I didnt actually hear the interviews.
Post by: reuben on February 03, 2021, 08:25:49 PM
Apparently Mims and Perriman were both on radio today with Alan Hahn and Bart Scott and both were lukewarm on Sam. Mims raved about Watson and Flacco but not really Sam. Perriman made sure to say it wasn't Gase's fault and he raved about his time with Jameis.
All secondhand from listening to an interview with Alan Hahn on Michael Kay so I didnt actually hear the interviews.
Neither of them has earned the right for me to give a excrement about their QB opinions yet. I'd put stock in Crowder's opinion if and when he shares it.
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 03, 2021, 08:49:44 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 03, 2021, 08:51:23 PM
Did Vyncynt Smith have any comment?"Y lyke Cych Sylyh" - Vyyyy Syyytthyy
Post by: Coach K on February 04, 2021, 04:36:31 AM
Neither of them has earned the right for me to give a excrement about their QB opinions yet. I'd put stock in Crowder's opinion if and when he shares it.Mims being open but never thrown to is partially on Sam lol
A bad playvall is a bad playcall
But Sam misses open reads a bit too much or I'd be defending the trade down and rally option way more
I do get it though , not like 1 interview says much
We will find out by April lol
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 07:16:25 AM
@AdamSchefter
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6m
Multiple teams have reached out to the New York Jets and inquired about trading for QB Sam Darnold, per league sources.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30853025/sources-multiple-teams-reached-new-york-jets-sam-darnold
Pull that freaking trigger, big Joe.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 08:19:17 AM
Adam SchefterI still hate seeing this. Darnold was supposed to be the guy.
@AdamSchefter
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6m
Multiple teams have reached out to the New York Jets and inquired about trading for QB Sam Darnold, per league sources.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30853025/sources-multiple-teams-reached-new-york-jets-sam-darnold
Pull that freaking trigger, big Joe.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 08:56:33 AM
I still hate seeing this. Darnold was supposed to be the guy.Suck it up, pansy.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 07, 2021, 09:21:09 AM
I still hate seeing this. Darnold was supposed to be the guy.
I was skeptical before drafting him but I wanted it to work.
This team really fucked him over with the Gase hire.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 10:16:41 AM
One of these teams will be selling Darnold jerseys next season, imo.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 10:19:38 AM
Panthers, WFT, Colts, Bears, Niners, Texans, Eagles (if Wentz is traded), Broncos (apparently Elway had a massive hard-on for Darnold at his draft).If the Jets trade Darnold now, they have to be OK with one of the QBs in the draft because Watson being traded is no guarantee.
One of these teams will be selling Darnold jerseys next season, imo.
I think the Jets should and will sit tight for a while. I doubt offers will get worse over time. No reason to hurry.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 10:23:20 AM
If the Jets trade Darnold now, they have to be OK with one of the QBs in the draft because Watson being traded is no guarantee.
I think the Jets should and will sit tight for a while. I doubt offers will get worse over time. No reason to hurry.
I completely disagree with this. Gotta strike when the irons are hot, man. If your best offer is right now because the market is heating up, you do the deal.
No combine this year, i think, is making teams with question marks at QB kinda squirrely. It's going to be slightly more difficult to evaluate prospects leading up to the draft.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 07, 2021, 10:27:10 AM
Not to say we couldn't or won't trade him later this season, but trading him now makes minimal sense. Especially with the rumors Joe Douglas wanted to trade down at 2
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 10:29:43 AM
I completely disagree with this. Gotta strike when the irons are hot, man. If your best offer is right now because the market is heating up, you do the deal.Why would offers be better now than 2-3 weeks from now? Wentz is the next domino to fall, but there are plenty of QB needy teams out there that will be desperate.
No combine this year, i think, is making teams with question marks at QB kinda squirrely. It's going to be slightly more difficult to evaluate prospects leading up to the draft.
Post by: Coach K on February 07, 2021, 10:30:16 AM
Post by: Coach K on February 07, 2021, 10:30:48 AM
Then if we can get a 1st thats hard to pass up
Oh well
I think he can be saved but let's find out
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2021, 10:32:56 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 10:33:35 AM
Why would offers be better now than 2-3 weeks from now? Wentz is the next domino to fall, but there are plenty of QB needy teams out there that will be desperate.I'm not saying they will be. I'm saying if some team meets Joe's price, why wait? Pull the trigger.
You basically made my point for me. Wentz is about to go, which should drive up the desperation for some teams that aren't high enough in the draft to select one of the top QB prospects. Plus, some of these teams may want their QB situation solidified before they enter FA.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 10:33:51 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 10:34:05 AM
None of this makes any sense. All these teams interested in trading for a QB who is broken beyond repair? I guess they must not read this site.
One man's junk is another man's treasure. ie: Jamal Adams
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 10:36:05 AM
I cannot see Joe Douglas trading Darnold at this point.
Not to say we couldn't or won't trade him later this season, but trading him now makes minimal sense. Especially with the rumors Joe Douglas wanted to trade down at 2
1) There are no rumors of JD wanting to trade down. If there were, please provide the link.
2) Now i'm even more convinced because dcm.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 10:52:40 AM
It'll be fun to see who is interested in Darnold also. We won't get this offer, but the offers for Stafford were better than I expected.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 10:58:16 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1358457336394883082?s=19
It'll be fun to see who is interested in Darnold also. We won't get this offer, but the offers for Stafford were better than I expected.
Why won't we get a similar offer? Darnold isn't completely devoid of value.
Nobody thought we would get a 1st and a 3rd for Adams, let alone the pkg we ended up getting.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 10:59:04 AM
Why won't we get a similar offer? Darnold isn't completely devoid of value.Stafford is better.
Nobody thought we would get a 1st and a 3rd for Adams, let alone the pkg we ended up getting.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 11:00:29 AM
Stafford is better.
He's also 10 years older than Darnold.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 11:02:10 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 11:03:06 AM
He's also 10 years older than Darnold.I'll trade you a brand new moped for a 10 year old Camaro.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 11:05:58 AM
I don't think we see any movement on Darnold unless the Texans start taking offers for Watson. I think Darnold is Doug's #1 choice at QB next year absent of a Watson trade. I'm telling you, Doug is salivating at trading out of 2 and stockpilling picks. He holds picks as sacred as MB holds Arby's.
I disagree that Darnold is Doug's #1 choice, he didn't draft him. Plus, i'm not convinced Saleh/Douglas want to tie their careers to a QB they didn't draft and struggled last year.
But i'm with you on the Doug's preference for stockpiling picks. In this case though, i'm hoping they draft Zach Wilson and use those picks to build around him. Watson is a pipe dream until he isnt.
Arbys of course...is still king.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 11:06:56 AM
I'll trade you a brand new moped for a 10 year old Camaro.
Apples n oranges, my backwoods Virginian friend.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 11:08:48 AM
Apples n oranges, my backwoods Virginian friend.No.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 11:15:09 AM
No.
Don't make me leave you on the subway to die next time
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Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 11:15:41 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 11:16:00 AM
Don't make me leave you on the subway to die next timeA little bit of me died there. Damn, that handicapped sign with the arrow in the correct direction was a meme gift from God.
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Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 11:16:53 AM
Shits and giggles say we traded down with Carolina, would you rather have Darnold sans Gase in 2021 and an extra 2nd rounder this year and another first rounder in 2022, or Zach Wilson?
I like Zach Wilson. He takes care of the football better than Darnold. Darnold had issues with turnovers in college.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 11:17:30 AM
A little bit of me died there. Damn, that handicapped sign with the arrow in the correct direction was a meme gift from God.
Tommy destroyed you like a bag of coke.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 11:19:50 AM
I like Zach Wilson. He takes care of the football better than Darnold. Darnold had issues with turnovers in college.I don't know what the correct answer is, but there's as many questions with Zach Wilson's transition to the NFL from college against mediocre competition as there is with what Darnold does in a competent offense.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 11:20:19 AM
Jameson shots from Tommy destroyed you like a bag of coke.
Fyp
Post by: Libero_2 on February 07, 2021, 11:28:11 AM
I disagree that Darnold is Doug's #1 choice, he didn't draft him. Plus, i'm not convinced Saleh/Douglas want to tie their careers to a QB they didn't draft and struggled last year.
But i'm with you on the Doug's preference for stockpiling picks. In this case though, i'm hoping they draft Zach Wilson and use those picks to build around him. Watson is a pipe dream until he isnt.
Arbys of course...is still king.
Douglas isn’t tied to Sam if he sticks with him a year. He’s only stuck to a QB if he gets a new one this year Wilson, Fields, Watson, Lance etc). That might be the biggest reason why if JD doesn’t feel good about these prospects, he will trade back and go asset heavy, allowing him to put the QB position off for a year as he continues searching for the right guy, or hoping that Watson actually does get traded. Either way he may believe, as many fans do (I am not one of them) that this team is so bad, trading down to restock cupboards which are very bare and working to get the QB later is a better plan.
Post by: Coach K on February 07, 2021, 11:28:35 AM
I'm open to all options . At this point I won't stress until after moves are made lolololol
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 11:29:50 AM
I don't know what the correct answer is, but there's as many questions with Zach Wilson's transition to the NFL from college against mediocre competition as there is with what Darnold does in a competent offense.
There's always questions with prospects. But i like Wilson's physical tangibles...he can make all the throws, has decent accuracy, has a live arm, is mobile, and has the prototypical size for an NFL QB. His decision making is above average too.
The knock on him, like you said, is the mediocre competition.....and a previous shoulder injury.
Post by: Coach K on February 07, 2021, 11:29:58 AM
On the fence about Jones
I'm also fine with giving darnold a shot
But I'd be lying if there aren't vision and progression issues that are inexcusable with open looks regardless of Adam Gase
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2021, 11:33:51 AM
I don't know what the correct answer is, but there's as many questions with Zach Wilson's transition to the NFL from college against mediocre competition as there is with what Darnold does in a competent offense.
There's always questions with prospects. But i like Wilson's physical tangibles...he can make all the throws, has decent accuracy, has a live arm, is mobile, and has the prototypical size for an NFL QB. His decision making is above average too.
The knock on him, like you said, is the mediocre competition.....and a previous shoulder injury.
I like Wilson and Lance
On the fence about Jones
I'm also fine with giving darnold a shot
But I'd be lying if there aren't vision and progression issues that are inexcusable with open looks regardless of Adam Gase
I like Lance too, he's a bit of a wild card. High Risk High Reward.
I still believe Douglas/Saleh want their own guy. Darnold's on borrowed time.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2021, 12:31:02 PM
Colts
Bears
WFT
Broncos
Panthers
SF
Outside chance:
Saints, but they only have 3 picks total this year. Maybe they give up the 2nd and some players? They need to unload salary bad and we have a full wallet. Kwon Alexander and Ryan Ramzyzkzyzkyk have no dead money for the Saints if traded.
Texans if they bail on Watson. Darnold would be cheap and startable.
No:
Giants and Pats. They need QBs, but no way Doug does that.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 07, 2021, 03:17:26 PM
Tepper wants to make a splash and he wants his team to become a contender overnight
Post by: dcm1602 on February 07, 2021, 09:02:14 PM
I don’t think Carolina will trade for Sam
Tepper wants to make a splash and he wants his team to become a contender overnight
I thought Rhule going to Carolina over us was that he was given basically full autonomy in Carolina
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2021, 12:33:17 PM
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NFL Rumors & News
@nflrums
Report: A trade that has been discussed. #49ers and #Jets a swap of first-round picks #Jets late-round pick Sam Darnold to SF and a future 2nd rd pick to #NewYork #NFL
sign me up
Post by: dcm1602 on February 11, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
sign me up
So we'd get #12 and a future 2nd for Darnold, #23 and a late found pick?
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2021, 12:46:30 PM
So we'd get #12 and a future 2nd for Darnold, #23 and a late found pick?
Jets receive: #12 this year, 2022 2nd rounder
Niners receive: Darnold, and the Seattle 1st rounder (#23)
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 11, 2021, 01:06:41 PM
Jets receive: #12 this year, 2022 2nd rounder
Niners receive: Darnold, and the Seattle 1st rounder (#23)
In.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 11, 2021, 01:19:09 PM
Jets receive: #12 this year, 2022 2nd rounder
Niners receive: Darnold, and the Seattle 1st rounder (#23)
Interesting swap for us.
I'd do it. More ammo for Watson, or a better chance at one of the top 3 WRs if they make it out of the top 10. Or perhaps the edge rusher we've been dying for for 20 years?
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2021, 01:23:04 PM
Interesting swap for us.
I'd do it. More ammo for Watson, or a better chance at one of the top 3 WRs if they make it out of the top 10. Or perhaps the edge rusher we've been dying for for 20 years?
It's actually a good trade for both teams. It certainly puts us in a nicer position than we're currently in.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 11, 2021, 01:28:27 PM
It's actually a good trade for both teams. It certainly puts us in a nicer position than we're currently in.
It also gives us essentially a first round value for Sam, and still gets us another 2nd for next year if we make any trades.
It would also put us in a very good spot for arguing no team has more to give Houston than us for Watson, no one can offer 2 picks at 2 and 12 or better. Before you could argue #3 + #18 is a better offer for Watson if you are excited about either QB. Now we unquestionably would have a better offer for Houston in every way. And having 2 top 15 picks to offer also further makes it harder to argue they deserve much more draft capital to get a Watson deal done.
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2021, 01:32:17 PM
It also gives us essentially a first round value for Sam, and still gets us another 2nd for next year if we make any trades.
It would also put us in a very good spot for arguing no team has more to give Houston than us for Watson, no one can offer 2 picks at 2 and 12 or better. Before you could argue #3 + #18 is a better offer for Watson if you are excited about either QB. Now we unquestionably would have a better offer for Houston in every way. And having 2 top 15 picks to offer also further makes it harder to argue they deserve much more draft capital to get a Watson deal done.
Dude, i love Watson. But i hope you're prepared for the Jets to pass on him if Houston digs their heels in up to the draft (and/or beyond).
I'm going fwd under the notion we're taking a QB at #2.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 11, 2021, 02:09:05 PM
Dude, i love Watson. But i hope you're prepared for the Jets to pass on him if Houston digs their heels in up to the draft (and/or beyond).
I'm going fwd under the notion we're taking a QB at #2.
Oddly enough, we still could be in the Watson sweepstakes if it moves beyond the draft.
Take the QB at #2, and then a weapon at #12, build the roster NOW for the young kid
then later on, we could send them the Kid we draft OR just next years 2022 draft picks (2 1s and 2 s are available in that scenario trade for Sam) to get Watson, and then we trade the #2 QB for assets or to Houston if they want him to be their guy.
My point is it's not an impossibility even if we don't get Watson prior to the draft. And getting even more capital for next year sets us up well for that move if it's an option.
Post by: MBGreen on February 11, 2021, 02:22:09 PM
@jetupnationcrew
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14m
Worth mentioning, @AdamSchefter
confirmed the Colts, Panthers, and WFT have contacted the Jets to inquire about Sam Darnold's availability.
Post by: Badger on February 11, 2021, 02:27:53 PM
then later on, we could send them the Kid we draft OR just next years 2022 draft picks (2 1s and 2 s are available in that scenario trade for Sam) to get Watson, and then we trade the #2 QB for assets or to Houston if they want him to be their guy.
Not impossible but that would be unprecedented right?
Post by: Libero_2 on February 11, 2021, 02:43:51 PM
Not impossible but that would be unprecedented right?
It would. But so would a trade of Watson/Watson caliber player
Sure it’s unlikely but it is possible
Post by: Laxin on February 11, 2021, 02:47:08 PM
Jets receive: #12 this year, 2022 2nd rounder
Niners receive: Darnold, and the Seattle 1st rounder (#23)
Then we flip 2, 12 next years 1 and a 2 for Watson.
Or we can stay put and draft Wilson and one of the top 3 WR's
Post by: dcm1602 on February 11, 2021, 02:56:55 PM
Not impossible but that would be unprecedented right?
Wouldn't really make the most sense for Houston
Sure they could get whichever QB we prefer, but I'd imagine they'd rather choose the QB they prefer
Post by: Badger on February 11, 2021, 03:05:53 PM
Wouldn't really make the most sense for HoustonThat's another dimension to this, we'd have to draft the QB they would have taken at 2 and it would be stupid to not take the QB we think is the best, so the two teams would have to coincidentally agree on that.
Sure they could get whichever QB we prefer, but I'd imagine they'd rather choose the QB they prefer
Post by: Badger on February 11, 2021, 03:09:51 PM
That's another dimension to this, we'd have to draft the QB they would have taken at 2 and it would be stupid to not take the QB we think is the best, so the two teams would have to coincidentally agree on that.*of course this is assuming Houston functions logically and competently
Post by: dcm1602 on February 11, 2021, 03:16:41 PM
That's another dimension to this, we'd have to draft the QB they would have taken at 2 and it would be stupid to not take the QB we think is the best, so the two teams would have to coincidentally agree on that.
Yep so unless there's a clear cut consensus #2 QB then I think this scenario doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Not to mention I don't know the exact cap implications of them teasing Watson at a later date in tune. Plus it makes things a little more difficult when you factor in Sam (as us drafting a QB #2 is far from a sure thing)
But I think the cap factors could potentially be notable, as Houston is basically fucked when it comes to the cap right now
Post by: Libero_2 on February 11, 2021, 03:29:25 PM
Yep so unless there's a clear cut consensus #2 QB then I think this scenario doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Not to mention I don't know the exact cap implications of them teasing Watson at a later date in tune. Plus it makes things a little more difficult when you factor in Sam (as us drafting a QB #2 is far from a sure thing)
But I think the cap factors could potentially be notable, as Houston is basically fucked when it comes to the cap right now
It’s not easy and it’s not clean that’s for sure. But if they try and play hardball into camp and Watson calls their bluff and doesn’t show up they may be forced to make a move then. We’d be far and away the team in best position to make that move at that time.
Hell we are the best positioned team with the most draft assets for 2022 right now. If memory serves Detroit is the only team with a 2nd 1st next year and we also have 2 2s in our back pocket. I want us to trade for Watson tomorrow, but if we can’t do it before FA or the draft we still have the ammo to go for it in August or even 2022 assuming we aren’t super excited about the guy we acquire to be the future QB.
Also I think by draft day there will be a clear cut #2 QB and I expect that to be Zach Wilson.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 11, 2021, 03:34:20 PM
To me this would also be more palatable, since we'd likely be trading away shittier picks as we'd likely be drafting an elite wideout this year and having extra picks to trade
Post by: Heismanberg on February 11, 2021, 03:35:25 PM
I think
Please stop doing this
Post by: dcm1602 on February 11, 2021, 03:36:34 PM
Please stop doing this
It's a far fetched scenario being speculated about regardless
Post by: Coach K on February 11, 2021, 05:23:18 PM
I'd do that 49ers deal in a heartbeat though
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2021, 11:52:12 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 17, 2021, 11:53:41 AM
Rumors of Saints interest in Darnold. They have a late 1st round pick. I think that would be a great place for him to go for his sake.
If that rumor is from @nflrums please disregard
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2021, 11:54:41 AM
If that rumor is from @nflrums please disregard
I'm bored. I'll wait for Incarceratedbob to confirm.
Post by: MBGreen on February 17, 2021, 12:00:41 PM
Indy, Chicago, Philly, Carolina, SF, New Orleans.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2021, 12:26:42 PM
Douglas is gonna think hard about those picks. I think he ultimately trades Darnold, but don't bank on it.
If Douglas could by some miracle keep that #2 overall pick while getting Watson, he goes straight to Canton.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on February 18, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/1362450069203652608?s=19
Douglas is gonna think hard about those picks. I think he ultimately trades Darnold, but don't bank on it.
If Douglas could by some miracle keep that #2 overall pick while getting Watson, he goes straight to Canton.
I want to trade out to secure the fact that we don't draft Fields.
Post by: MBGreen on February 18, 2021, 12:48:45 PM
https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/1362450069203652608?s=19
Douglas is gonna think hard about those picks. I think he ultimately trades Darnold, but don't bank on it.
If Douglas could by some miracle keep that #2 overall pick while getting Watson, he goes straight to Canton.
I'm banking on it....like i have been since December.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 18, 2021, 12:49:41 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2021, 12:51:33 PM
No way a Watson trade happens without #2 overallI know. Only way I could see it is if the Texans secure a QB in free agency and the Jets trade a excrement-ton of picks instead of #2.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 18, 2021, 01:05:09 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2021, 01:08:39 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2021, 01:08:44 PM
I'd rather trade the #2 if it meant packaging a smaller amount of picks.You'll get them back by trading down from the #2 pick.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 18, 2021, 01:10:15 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 18, 2021, 01:13:05 PM
I think in the end Darnold will yield a 2nd rounder outright or a 1st rounder with us giving back a later pick.
I would trade Darnold and 66 for a pick in the late teens or early 20s.
Post by: reuben on February 18, 2021, 01:16:57 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 24, 2021, 10:35:12 AM
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Post by: dcm1602 on February 24, 2021, 08:09:45 PM
Post by: insanity on February 24, 2021, 09:33:21 PM
If the Jets can get a 1st round pick for Darnold does that not validate many of the excuses?Dcm mode engaged
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Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 02, 2021, 09:59:10 AM
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Odds for what team Sam Darnold will be on for Week 1 of the 2021 NFL season (Bovada):
Jets +110
Texans +400
Panthers +450
Washington +550
49ers +600
Broncos +650
Bears +750
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2021, 10:00:28 AM
I'd lay some money down on the WFT.
Post by: MBGreen on March 02, 2021, 10:01:47 AM
@JPFinlayNBCS
· 2m
5 teams have called Houston about QB Deshaun Watson, but Washington isnt one of them, per the great @McClain_on_NFL.
Not big surprise, WFT unlikely to have the draft capital to compete in that trade market
Tailor made for a Sam Darnold trade to WFT
Post by: mj2sexay on March 02, 2021, 12:54:13 PM
JP Finlay
@JPFinlayNBCS
· 2m
5 teams have called Houston about QB Deshaun Watson, but Washington isnt one of them, per the great @McClain_on_NFL.
Not big surprise, WFT unlikely to have the draft capital to compete in that trade market
Tailor made for a Sam Darnold trade to WFT
If we're trading for Deshaun, can we take John McClain as well?
Our beat writers should be so capable.
Post by: delavan on March 03, 2021, 12:21:33 AM
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/jimmy-garoppolo-has-one-qb-overcome-be-49ers-starter-2021
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2021, 11:41:56 AM
If we're trading for Deshaun, can we take John McClain as well?Seriously? I feel like I've lost respect for McClain during this Watson debacle. He's basically been a mouthpiece for the Texans organization.
Our beat writers should be so capable.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2021, 11:43:31 AM
Seriously? I feel like I've lost respect for McClain during this Watson debacle. He's basically been a mouthpiece for the Texans organization.
He changes what he says every week. First it was "he won't be traded", then "it could happen, but it would be stupid", now it's "they'd be stupid not to trade him for a huge haul".
Post by: mj2sexay on March 03, 2021, 11:48:37 AM
Seriously? I feel like I've lost respect for McClain during this Watson debacle. He's basically been a mouthpiece for the Texans organization.
McClain has been dead on accurate on everything he's reported so far in relation to the Texans coaching search and Deshaun, while IMHO certainly not blowing the organization.
And at the same time, this is an organization who just had a beat writer banished, and who currently has coverage from two guys that have been freaking absolutely dormant since week 17 (Costello and Cimini) and a guy who's busy watching movies he should've freaking watched when he was a teenager like the rest of us.
He changes what he says every week. First it was "he won't be traded", then "it could happen, but it would be stupid", now it's "they'd be stupid not to trade him for a huge haul".
Is he not allowed to change his posture given the changing circumstances and dynamics of a volatile situation? When this first broke I thought it'd be stupid as excrement to trade Deshaun as well, but I also thought they were going to hire Bieniemy and basically give the man whatever assurances he wanted to make it right.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2021, 11:57:00 AM
McClain has been dead on accurate on everything he's reported so far in relation to the Texans coaching search and Deshaun, while IMHO certainly not blowing the organization.
"The Jets have to trade both firsts this year, next years firsts, plus Quinnen Williams for Deshaun"
That is not accurate
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2021, 11:58:20 AM
McClain has been dead on accurate on everything he's reported so far in relation to the Texans coaching search and Deshaun, while IMHO certainly not blowing the organization.
And at the same time, this is an organization who just had a beat writer banished, and who currently has coverage from two guys that have been freaking absolutely dormant since week 17 (Costello and Cimini) and a guy who's busy watching movies he should've freaking watched when he was a teenager like the rest of us.
Is he not allowed to change his posture given the changing circumstances and dynamics of a volatile situation? When this first broke I thought it'd be stupid as excrement to trade Deshaun as well, but I also thought they were going to hire Bieniemy and basically give the man whatever assurances he wanted to make it right.
You aren't a beat writer with supposed inside knowledge. Yet you are about as reliable so far on the Watson situation.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 03, 2021, 12:05:46 PM
"The Jets have to trade both firsts this year, next years firsts, plus Quinnen Williams for Deshaun"
That is not accurate
He qualified that by saying "If I'm the Texans." That's merely a beat reporter saying what he would do. I'm not going to hold it against Cimini if the Jets don't draft the guy he says in the coming weeks "this is who they should draft' as that being proof that he missed on a story. It isn't the same as a beat reporter nailing pertinent information before anyone else does about the inner office machinations, and who's being hired/fired, interviewed etc.
Also speculation obviously, but if the Texans ever actually decide to engage in trade talks with Joe, I would be very surprised if at the very least Caserio (or who's ever in charge over there) didn't at least bring Q up.
You aren't a beat writer with supposed inside knowledge. Yet you are about as reliable so far on the Watson situation.
When this all started, did anyone really think it would get this bad? 25 year old franchise quarterbacks do not get moved. As we sit here today I still think it's more likely he doesn't get traded then does.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2021, 12:09:04 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2021, 12:09:52 PM
McClain has been dead on accurate on everything he's reported so far in relation to the Texans coaching search and Deshaun, while IMHO certainly not blowing the organization.https://twitter.com/mcclain_on_nfl/status/1347273808198201359?lang=en
Everything he has done so far is basically parrot Texans talking points.
At first, he said the Texans would never trade Watson, and even made that smug tweet talking about how he'll never be traded.
After that, it was "Yeah, maybe the Jets could give up four firsts, maybe Quinnen and Darnold, too, why not"
What exactly has he been dead on accurate about?
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And at the same time, this is an organization who just had a beat writer banished, and who currently has coverage from two guys that have been freaking absolutely dormant since week 17 (Costello and Cimini) and a guy who's busy watching movies he should've freaking watched when he was a teenager like the rest of us.I agree our beat is a mess, but that doesn't mean McClain is some amazing beat writer. He's their version of Cimini. Not the same personality, since Cimini is more jaded and negative, but in terms of being respected older guys on the beat. He's good. I respect him, too, but I don't love how he's been reporting around this Watson stuff.
Is he not allowed to change his posture given the changing circumstances and dynamics of a volatile situation? When this first broke I thought it'd be stupid as excrement to trade Deshaun as well, but I also thought they were going to hire Bieniemy and basically give the man whatever assurances he wanted to make it right.
He's allowed to change his posture, but I don't see how you can say in one breath that he's been dead on accurate, and then in the next, you say that he's changing his mind. It doesn't matter what you think about trading Watson - you're not the beat writer speaking in absolutes.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2021, 12:13:20 PM
Okay, I'd like to hold a beat writer to a higher standard than a random fan of another team. Especially when there was a lot of smoke that it was getting pretty bad.
When this all started, did anyone really think it would get this bad? 25 year old franchise quarterbacks do not get moved. As we sit here today I still think it's more likely he doesn't get traded then does.
The side that had a vested interest in saying that it's not so bad is the Texans side, which has been the side McClain has clearly been reporting from this entire time.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 03, 2021, 12:24:04 PM
https://twitter.com/mcclain_on_nfl/status/1347273808198201359?lang=en
Everything he has done so far is basically parrot Texans talking points.
At first, he said the Texans would never trade Watson, and even made that smug tweet talking about how he'll never be traded.
After that, it was "Yeah, maybe the Jets could give up four firsts, maybe Quinnen and Darnold, too, why not"
What exactly has he been dead on accurate about? I agree our beat is a mess, but that doesn't mean McClain is some amazing beat writer. He's their version of Cimini. Not the same personality, since Cimini is more jaded and negative, but in terms of being respected older guys on the beat. He's good. I respect him, too, but I don't love how he's been reporting around this Watson stuff.
He's allowed to change his posture, but I don't see how you can say in one breath that he's been dead on accurate, and then in the next, you say that he's changing his mind. It doesn't matter what you think about trading Watson - you're not the beat writer speaking in absolutes.
How has he been "parroting Texans talking points." By saying that the Texans shouldn't trade Watson? If he was parroting their talking points he wouldn't be out there basically saying "you know there's really only one team that has the resources for the Texans to get a little more then 75 cents on the dollar and even then they have a GM that might not pay the price."
Scoffing at the notion of trading Deshaun back in January before this entered an apparent point of no return in terms of Watson not getting his coach, (and before James Hardon successfully forced his way out of the same town) might be a cold take at this point, but its hardly doing anything but stating the obvious. This is ridiculously dumb and only happening because the Texans have been lurched into the abyss by an 18 month stretch of literally making the wrong decision at every single opportunity.
Competent or even functional organizations do not trade Deshaun Watson at this point in his career.
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2021, 12:33:56 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2021, 12:49:39 PM
JD says phones available for Sam officially . Adams mode
To be fair Adams 100% forced himself off the team
And this quote from JD is getting twisted and exaggerated
“I will answer the call if it’s made,”
Sure it's a huge difference from what he said last year
But it's also a huge difference from, we're actively shopping Sam too. It's one of those vague statements that's carefully worded
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2021, 01:15:25 PM
To be fair Adams 100% forced himself off the teamWelp
And this quote from JD is getting twisted and exaggerated
“I will answer the call if it’s made,”
Sure it's a huge difference from what he said last year
But it's also a huge difference from, we're actively shopping Sam too. It's one of those vague statements that's carefully worded
What it means is if teams are interested they can call
Hyperbole? Sure
But if you're confident you have you're QB you probably don't say that
Yes keeping value at 2 for a trade down is there and a possible motive
We will see if anyone actually calls . That'll definitely come out soon
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2021, 02:06:02 PM
Welp
What it means is if teams are interested they can call
Hyperbole? Sure
But if you're confident you have you're QB you probably don't say that
Yes keeping value at 2 for a trade down is there and a possible motive
We will see if anyone actually calls . That'll definitely come out soon
Sure, but Watson is on the market and a feasible option for the Jets, so how many teams wouldn't jump if given the opportunity to get him?
The reality is if there's even a small chance that we want to and think we're able to get Watson, that of course we should be "answering calls" on Darnold
Maybe right now JD has zero interest in trading Darnold and with a potential Watson trade that instantly changes
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2021, 02:49:44 PM
To be fair Adams 100% forced himself off the team
And this quote from JD is getting twisted and exaggerated
“I will answer the call if it’s made,”
Sure it's a huge difference from what he said last year
But it's also a huge difference from, we're actively shopping Sam too. It's one of those vague statements that's carefully worded
Also:
"Our stance on Sam hasn't changed. He's an extremely talented player, very smart, very tough. We have no doubt Sam will achieve his outstanding potential."
Sounds like really nothing of any note or substance was said today, but there were enough quotes there for people reinforce whatever it is they were already choosing to believe.
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2021, 02:54:06 PM
If they already knew they were committed to Sam for 2021 they'd say so.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2021, 06:48:20 PM
He gone
Post by: klaximilian on March 03, 2021, 06:53:41 PM
In an ideal world, I would love to trade Darnold for a late 1st/early 2nd, then if needed package it with the other 1st (#23) to move up and draft a receiver like Smith or Waddle.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2021, 06:58:49 PM
With every day that passes, I am more and more on the Zack Wilson train. Even more so than trading a load of picks for Watson.I'll take whatever.
In an ideal world, I would love to trade Darnold for a late 1st/early 2nd, then if needed package it with the other 1st (#23) to move up and draft a receiver like Smith or Waddle.
Post by: klaximilian on March 03, 2021, 07:00:12 PM
I'll take whatever.
If we draft a QB @ 2, and I expect that, we need to get this kid a freakin weapon. Address OL in FA and prioritize getting the QB of the future a WR he can grow with. (alongside Mims of course)
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2021, 07:01:03 PM
If we draft a QB @ 2, and I expect that, we need to get this kid a freakin weapon. Address OL in FA and prioritize getting the QB of the future a WR he can grow with. (alongside Mims of course)Mims is an inferior name.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2021, 07:13:26 PM
With every day that passes, I am more and more on the Zack Wilson train. Even more so than trading a load of picks for Watson.Either option is great.
In an ideal world, I would love to trade Darnold for a late 1st/early 2nd, then if needed package it with the other 1st (#23) to move up and draft a receiver like Smith or Waddle.
And honestly, the presence of Wilson gives us leverage for Watson. If the Texans want to trade him and get their choice of QBs, they have to trade him to us, or MAYBE Miami if they want to roll the dice. And if the Texans want to ask for the moon for Watson, the Jets can say screw you, roll with Zach Wilson, hope he turns into a cheaper version of Deshaun Watson, and use the picks to build a good roster around him.
If the Jets are confident Wilson is a star, and they think they can develop him, taking him and using the available money and picks to improve the rest of the roster is the highest upside play. The safer move is to acquire Watson and figure out the rest later, but that also limits our ability to build around him some.
Post by: klaximilian on March 03, 2021, 07:18:10 PM
Mims is an inferior name.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/558b01bd01720f048728a62ebb8b12d2/tenor.gif)
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2021, 07:20:19 PM
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1367187401471385600?s=19Yeah which is why I said you don't even make it a convo if you feel you have a damn QB in the building lol
He gone
The only argument is the holding value with the 2 pick
Post by: MBGreen on March 05, 2021, 08:49:56 AM
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Rich Cimini
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Ex-Jets QB Mark Sanchez would like to see Sam Darnold out of NY. On @GetUpESPN: “They gotta do something fast to get him out of there.”
“As soon as he goes 3-and-out two times this year, his derriere is getting booed out of the stadium. It’s not fair to the kid.” #Jets
Sanchize knows the score
Post by: Badger on March 05, 2021, 09:16:08 AM
Unfortunately correct, Darnold won't get any slack here in 2021, fair or not.
Sanchize knows the score
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 05, 2021, 12:48:10 PM
Unfortunately correct, Darnold won't get any slack here in 2021, fair or not.I think it's pretty fair. He would have gotten booed last year, but there were no fans. Plus, a ton of the fanbase still loves to make excuses for him (and if he's back as our QB, I would likely be one of them).
But the honeymoon would be over fast if he struggles.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 08:09:06 AM
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/15/mmqb-drew-brees-retires-free-agency-dak-prescott-deal
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10) Status quo on the Sam Darnold front, with Darnold likely to be the next QB domino to fall. So what I told you last week stands: Eight teams have been in contact with the Jets about Darnold, and the team would like to see Wilson and Fields throw live at theit pro days before making a final call, but has relayed some flexibility on that to other teams. What kind of deal would get it done? My guess would be maybe something north of what Arizona got for Josh Rosen in 2019 (that was a two and a five).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2021, 08:16:08 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 15, 2021, 08:22:45 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2021, 02:31:25 PM
Darnolds value now isn't going to be that different than it will be on or about the draft
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 02:34:05 PM
I just don't see trading Darnold happening until right before the draft. It just doesn't make sense, especially with the rumors that JD was possibly willing to trade down from 2.
Darnolds value now isn't going to be that different than it will be on or about the draft
this is a fallacy.
The bidding war can happen now because more teams are in the QB market at the beginning of FA.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2021, 02:42:07 PM
this is a fallacy.
The bidding war can happen now because more teams are in the QB market at the beginning of FA.
Signing which FA QB's on the market, would change a teams long term need for a starting QB?
Post by: insanity on March 15, 2021, 02:44:03 PM
I could be happy with a 2 and a 4 for SamYou would trade sam for leonard williams?
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 02:46:07 PM
Signing which FA QB's on the market, would change a teams long term need for a starting QB?
Right now, it's being reported that the Jets have as many as 8 teams calling about Darnold. That market could dwindle the closer you get to the draft as teams sign or trade for QBs during the start of FA
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2021, 02:59:39 PM
Right now, it's being reported that the Jets have as many as 8 teams calling about Darnold. That market could dwindle the closer you get to the draft as teams sign or trade for QBs during the start of FA
Sure trading I get, but those are fairly limited options.
If you're a team desperate for a QB (ie Washington) is there a single free agent on the market that signing would make you say okay we're settled at QB for the next couple of years?
I understand the idea that free agency can diminish demand, but if the free agent market is essentially backups. It's not going to change anything. There's a reason the Patriots resigned Cam.
The options for QB needy teams are god awful
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 03:01:17 PM
Sure trading I get, but those are fairly limited options.
If you're a team desperate for a QB (ie Washington) is there a single free agent on the market that signing would make you say okay we're settled at QB for the next couple of years?
I understand the idea that free agency can diminish demand, but if the free agent market is essentially backups. It's not going to change anything. There's a reason the Patriots resigned Cam.
The options for QB needy teams are god awful
this is all subjective.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2021, 03:01:33 PM
Then you have 5 teams left fighting over the only game in town.
QB is the most important position, if you need one you're desperate.
Sam's value isn't going to change that much
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2021, 03:02:17 PM
this is all subjective.
Subjective like Sam's value?
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 03:03:16 PM
And on the flip side if 8 teams are interested, and let's say 3 exaughst whatever last ditch efforts are out there.
Then you have 5 teams left fighting over the only game in town.
QB is the most important position, if you need one you're desperate.
Sam's value isn't going to change that much
You don't even know what Sam's value is right now....so how could you assume it won't change?
stop talking out of your derriere. this isn't the political threads.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 03:04:24 PM
Subjective like Sam's value?
subjective in that what you might think is a god awful option, other teams may not.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2021, 03:07:40 PM
You don't even know what Sam's value is right now....so how could you assume it won't change?
stop talking out of your derriere. this isn't the political threads.
You don't know Sam's value right now, how can you assume it will change?
This is all freaking speculation
And my point is it's probably not going to change drastically.
A teams not going to offer a 1st for Sam today, and then our best offer be a 3rd right around the draft.
It is my opinion that the upside of the flexibility of holding onto Sam until close to the draft, dramatically outweighs any potential loss in trade compensation.
Especially since there have been some who speculated us wanting to trade down, some speculating we love Wilson, and others tying us to Watson.
There's a ton of uncertainty and flexibility there.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 03:09:49 PM
It is my opinion that the upside of the flexibility of holding onto Sam until close to the draft, dramatically outweighs any potential loss in trade compensation.
i completely disagree.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 15, 2021, 03:14:29 PM
i completely disagree.
Even though Wilson fields and basically every other QB option in the draft hasn't held their proday or been interviewed yet, you think we should trade the only QB option basically anywhere, for less than a mind blowing offer?
Nobody has even asked Zach Wilson if his mother is a prostitute yet
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 03:18:35 PM
Even though Wilson fields and basically every other QB option in the draft hasn't held their proday or been interviewed yet, you think we should trade the only QB option basically anywhere, for less than a mind blowing offer?
Nobody has even asked Zach Wilson if his mother is a prostitute yet
Stop shitposting.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 15, 2021, 03:34:34 PM
It is my opinion that the upside of the flexibility of holding onto Sam until close to the draft, dramatically outweighs any potential loss in trade compensation.If the Jets have decided they're moving on from Darnold, what good is flexibility? We have the #2 pick in the draft and there are QBs available. They've had months to prepare for these QB prospects. The trade up with the Colts to get to 3 was on March 17th. You have to make a decision.
The only way keeping Darnold adds flexibility is if they are all in on Watson and are using Darnold as a backup plan/stopgap option in case the Texans keep dragging their feet.
Otherwise, the thing to do with Darnold is to trade him to the highest bidder whenever you think you can get the highest bid.
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2021, 04:28:26 PM
If the Jets have decided they're moving on from Darnold, what good is flexibility?
Kim Jones was saying on NFLN this morning that she understands that they haven't decided that; Douglas favours resetting the QB contract clock, while Saleh and his team feel that Darnold has been poorly coached and under supported and has a lot more to give, and would prefer using the #2 to build elsewhere.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2021, 05:40:37 PM
Kim Jones was saying on NFLN this morning that she understands that they haven't decided that; Douglas favours resetting the QB contract clock, while Saleh and his team feel that Darnold has been poorly coached and under supported and has a lot more to give, and would prefer using the #2 to build elsewhere.
Who’s the top available DT to take at 2?
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2021, 05:44:19 PM
Who’s the top available DT to take at 2?Just take the heaviest Bama player.
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 05:44:34 PM
Who’s the top available DT to take at 2?Whomever it is...we're trading up to 1 to get him
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 15, 2021, 06:17:09 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2021, 06:22:02 PM
Post by: insanity on March 15, 2021, 06:44:05 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210315/d639647fc170ddc54d6d859c72582c0b.jpg)What? I'll bet my life savings this doesn't happen.
Also Lolz if Darnold follows Adams to SEA
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2021, 06:59:20 PM
/What? I'll bet my life savings this doesn't happen.
Also Lolz if Darnold follows Adams to SEA
I want to know how much you have in savings before I agree to this bet.
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2021, 10:31:20 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2021, 10:52:51 AM
https://twitter.com/emesola/status/1371796565451534339?s=20Feel bad for Sam. Can't believe I went from full confidence in him to little confidence in just a 4-month span, but it is what it is. If this were a shitty QB class, things might be different, but they're not.
Trade Sam for a gord.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 16, 2021, 12:41:18 PM
https://twitter.com/emesola/status/1371796565451534339?s=20
If that's true, why hasn't he been traded?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2021, 12:43:16 PM
If that's true, why hasn't he been traded?Offers not good, offers pending other events, who knows. Might be happening now.
Post by: insanity on March 16, 2021, 12:44:38 PM
https://twitter.com/emesola/status/1371796565451534339?s=20Isn't this the chick that gave Sam mono?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2021, 01:19:33 PM
I’m still open to either plan, depending on what the rest of the plan is if we were to keep Sam. It would be nice to have a crystal ball to know what we could get in a trade down from 2.
Post by: Laxin on March 16, 2021, 01:49:08 PM
We just heard the report the other day that Saleh wants to keep Sam and Douglas wants to draft a QB.
I’m still open to either plan, depending on what the rest of the plan is if we were to keep Sam. It would be nice to have a crystal ball to know what we could get in a trade down from 2.
I’m not too familiar with next years QB class, but what I have heard is that it’s not as good as this year’s. Not many classes in the past 2 decades have been as good as this year’s looks. If the class this year was mediocre and next year’s was very promising, I’d be all for trading down, stockpiling picks for a potential trade up and giving Sam one last shot.
There’s really no scenario where keeping Sam for a year that really makes sense given what we know now. Way too much uncertainty. I’d much rather take the blue chip QB prospect that’s available, no matter what haul we would get for #2.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2021, 05:04:52 PM
Sam's class was supposedly an all-time class. Sam was widely believed on this very board to be the best prospect of the group--to the point where we were all stunned when he fell in our laps.
I'll die on the hill that a QB is largely helped or hurt by his surrounding cast and the coaching he gets up until he becomes elite in his own right.
Whether it's Darnold or we draft Wilson or trade for Watson, this team needs to rebuild that OL. It's worse today than it was a week ago after losing Elflein and not getting any of the FAs. No scheme or QB play is going to help that. Ask Pat Mahomes about the importance of OLines.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2021, 05:11:50 PM
Barring something surprising I don't think we're going to get much more than a shiny turd for Darnold.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2021, 05:16:24 PM
I'd rather have Wilson or Deshaun Watson, but I'm not going to lie, I would have a little chubby thinking about what we could get in a trade down from #2.
Barring something surprising I don't think we're going to get much more than a shiny turd for Darnold.
To me, it comes down entirely to whether the offensive staff truly believes Darnold is someone they can not just salvage, but make a star.
If they're convinced they can, get a truckload of picks for the #2. If not, trade Darnold before the market is completely gone, given it's dwindling. Then you see if you can swing a Watson trade, and if not, you draft Wilson.
But no matter what fix the offensive line in the draft.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2021, 05:37:00 PM
To me, it comes down entirely to whether the offensive staff truly believes Darnold is someone they can not just salvage, but make a star.
If they're convinced they can, get a truckload of picks for the #2. If not, trade Darnold before the market is completely gone, given it's dwindling. Then you see if you can swing a Watson trade, and if not, you draft Wilson.
But no matter what fix the offensive line in the draft.
If you keep Darnold this season, then this roster is going to be excellent if we draft moderately well this year. If the coaching staff turn him into a quality starting QB then it was a great decision. If they don't then they we have an excellent roster and a bunch of flexibility with all the picks next year to go and get a replacement for him, be it in the draft or trade, and probably with less competition than we see in this crazy year.
Keeping Darnold is the low risk logical approach, IMO. A one year wonder from a second rate school might turn out to be a great pick but it's insane how much he's being painted as a slam dunk.
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2021, 05:46:48 PM
You can put the Greatest Show on Turf around Darnold, and he's still going to make excrement decisions. he's broken...let him go.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 16, 2021, 07:36:18 PM
i think alot of you have forgotten how awful Darnold's decision-making is.
Says the guy that bought a green freaking camaro.
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2021, 07:36:40 PM
Says the guy that bought a green freaking camaro.
the best
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 16, 2021, 07:59:44 PM
i think alot of you have forgotten how awful Darnold's decision-making is.The thing that sold me was watching a YouTube compilation the Jets posted of Baldinger's Becton breakdowns. I started watching for Becton, but it was impossible to avoid how bad Darnold was.
You can put the Greatest Show on Turf around Darnold, and he's still going to make excrement decisions. he's broken...let him go.
The tape was bad, the production was bad, and there have not been enough highlights to make up for the bad plays. Combine all that with Darnold's contract, our ability to replace him, and our potential ability to recoup assets in return, and it seems like a no brainer to try to upgrade.
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2021, 08:04:50 PM
The thing that sold me was watching a YouTube compilation the Jets posted of Baldinger's Becton breakdowns. I started watching for Becton, but it was impossible to avoid how bad Darnold was.
The tape was bad, the production was bad, and there have not been enough highlights to make up for the bad plays. Combine all that with Darnold's contract, our ability to replace him, and our potential ability to recoup assets in return, and it seems like a no brainer to try to upgrade.
100% agree on all of this.
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2021, 08:07:35 PM
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Matt Lombardo
@MattLombardoNFL
Asking around on Sam Darnold, and the sense I get from scouts, coaches, and executives is that the perception of him among fans and some in media is significantly higher than of those inside the league.
“He stinks, bro” says one offensive coach.
#Jets #NFL
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Added this to a former GM telling me a couple weeks ago that he’d have Darnold as QB 4 in this year’s class, and I’m not surprised guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tyrod Taylor have signed before any Darnold deal has gone down. #NFL
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2021, 08:14:57 PM
Says the guy that bought a green freaking camaro.
Boom headshot
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2021, 09:07:06 PM
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For teams unable to win the Watson Sweepstakes, and unwilling to meet the Eagles’ lofty demands, Darnold might just change their fortunes this offseason.
“I evaluated Sam when he came out and I was a fan, but not a big fan of his,” a former general manager and veteran talent evaluator tells FanSided, on the condition of anonymity to speak freely on Darnold. “If he were in this year’s class … There’s talent there. You hope his best football is two or three years out, you like his physical toughness, you like that he’s been through adversity, but he’s in no way a finished product.
“I’d slide Darnold behind Trevor Lawrence, behind Zach Wilson, because Wilson is a unique guy, he reminds me of Patrick Mahomes with his throwing angles, his ability to make plays, and he’s very unique. There’s a pretty big drop off between Wilson and Justin Fields, but Sam Darnold would be just in front of Fields in this year’s class.”
Did this guy even read his own article?
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2021, 09:11:08 PM
If you keep Darnold this season, then this roster is going to be excellent if we draft moderately well this year. If the coaching staff turn him into a quality starting QB then it was a great decision. If they don't then they we have an excellent roster and a bunch of flexibility with all the picks next year to go and get a replacement for him, be it in the draft or trade, and probably with less competition than we see in this crazy year.
Keeping Darnold is the low risk logical approach, IMO. A one year wonder from a second rate school might turn out to be a great pick but it's insane how much he's being painted as a slam dunk.
This is where I was hovering late into the season but the end of the season soured me quite a bit and I started seriously considering moving on.
If you can get Watson, as long as you don't go full Ditka, do it. But the 2nd-overall pick should mean not having to Ditka. That #2 gives them pick of the draft's top QB not named Lawrence. Giving up more picks cripples the ability to improve the overall roster--especially OL, which they've already whiffed on.
Assuming they don't believe there's a good chance they can fix Darnold, take Wilson and see if someone is willing to give you a reasonable pick for Sam. But while it would probably pee some people off around here, they could hang on to him into camp and pull a Bridgewater again.
But if there is a reasonable faith in Darnold--and I mean legit belief, not a "maybe we can do this" because you rarely pick 2nd in the draft with multiple #1 QBs--trade down from 2 for a monster haul of picks and build that OL, get corners, maybe TE and WR and fill out the rest of the roster.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 16, 2021, 09:24:44 PM
“Added this to a former GM telling me a couple weeks ago that he’d have Darnold as QB 4 in this year’s class”
Did this guy even read his own article?
reading lombardo actually write 'he stinks bro' made me believe that the anonymous offensive coach speaking to lombardo, who is apparently the nfl insider for the world renowned internet website fansided, was actually just a teenager from northeast jersey
teams signed vet qbs before a theoretical darnold move was made and 'insiders' do the fckin most to run away with it. 'it's because he stinks and everybody hates him'. anybody that follows this team knows that JD's MO with us thus far has been a calm, collected, calculated approach to how he fixes this team, and before any of this began the likelihood that darnold would still be on the team at this point while JD continued to plan his moves was obscenely fcking high
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2021, 02:56:31 PM
We’re going into next year with Darnold/Rookie, James Morgan, and ?
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 21, 2021, 03:06:17 PM
Kinda weird we haven’t signed a Vet QB yetWell, when your QB plan may or may not have sexually assaulted a dozen women, you gotta adjust on the fly.
We’re going into next year with Darnold/Rookie, James Morgan, and ?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 23, 2021, 10:37:36 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2021, 10:40:16 AM
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WR Corey Davis also mentioned, "I'm coming in with the understanding that Sam is the guy," but mentioned he is ready to catch the ball from whoever he needs to.
Landis
Post by: Heismanberg on March 23, 2021, 10:41:14 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 23, 2021, 10:41:24 AM
Landis
ONE HOT PIECE OF ACE
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 23, 2021, 11:35:01 AM
https://twitter.com/RVacchianoSNY/status/1374385496718118920?s=20
#tradedownszn
Post by: MBGreen on March 23, 2021, 11:36:13 AM
#tradedownsznIt wasn't the entire quote. #propaganda
https://twitter.com/N12jamiestuart/status/1374383738512044041?s=19
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 23, 2021, 11:39:36 AM
Build the OL into a wall with the draft, maybe draft another receiver to go with the group coming back/signed, and see if Sam looks markedly better. If so, fantastic. If not, sell the farm next year to draft someone who will come in with the rest of the offense in place.
That said, it will hurt badly if Sam sucks and Wilson is a stud.
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2021, 11:50:39 AM
100%
delete my acct if he dosent.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2021, 11:54:14 AM
Sam is going to start Opening Day.It'll be funny if we have to delete your account because we keep Sam, but he tears his ACL in the preseason.
100%
delete my acct if he dosent.
Post by: insanity on March 23, 2021, 12:17:38 PM
If they can turn that #2 into a windfall of picks (especially now with the whole Watson mess), I still think it's the best option for this team to keep Sam one more year.I love the idea of getting 3 1sts for the #2, but how have similar trades in the past worked out?
Build the OL into a wall with the draft, maybe draft another receiver to go with the group coming back/signed, and see if Sam looks markedly better. If so, fantastic. If not, sell the farm next year to draft someone who will come in with the rest of the offense in place.
That said, it will hurt badly if Sam sucks and Wilson is a stud.
Rams - RG3
Browns - Wentz
Titans - Goff
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2021, 12:20:48 PM
Douglas has to be willing to deal with the blowback when Sam throws his first INT and the stadium implodes. Between liking his draft picks and having a new offensive coordinator that may think he can do better with Darnold than the turd we just flushed, my money would go towards keeping Darnold. Especially since his trade value is in the toilet right now.
Douglas is gonna catch a bunch of excrement from the fans and it won't end soon. Even if Darnold has a good season, fans won't come around until late in the year.
Personally, I'd just draft Wilson and trade Darnold.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
It wasn't the entire quote. #propagandaEven fuller quote:
https://twitter.com/N12jamiestuart/status/1374383738512044041?s=19
Quote
"Obviously, I'm coming with my understanding that Sam is the guy," Davis said in a Zoom call with reporters. "That doesn't scare me away at all. I've seen Sam do great things, and I have all the belief in him. Whatever direction they decide to go, it's on me to make sure that I'm ready."
"He's obviously a great leader," Davis said of the third overall pick in 2018. "I've heard a few things just talking to guys on the team. I'm looking forward to playing with him. He's a competitor. Obviously, we can both learn from each other. He's young, and we're both growing. We can grow together."
Davis made it clear: He expects to be catching balls from Darnold in the fall.
"Yes, that's my understanding," he said. "Correct."
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 23, 2021, 12:28:48 PM
The only way we keep Sam IMO is if we want to remain an option for Deshaun Watson. Then we keep Sam, trade back from #2, pick up a haul of picks, and maintain flexibility. Then if Watson ends up traded, and we still want him, we are best-situated to get him. And if the Watson news doesn't improve and/or he isn't traded, then we still have Sam where we can maybe catch lightning in a bottle, and we have a haul of picks to make a move at QB next year, regardless who that is.
Post by: MBGreen on March 23, 2021, 12:31:47 PM
I'd be shocked if we kept Sam. Even if we traded back and let someone else have Wilson, I would rather go after Fields or Lance or even Jones.
The only way we keep Sam IMO is if we want to remain an option for Deshaun Watson. Then we keep Sam, trade back from #2, pick up a haul of picks, and maintain flexibility. Then if Watson ends up traded, and we still want him, we are best-situated to get him. And if the Watson news doesn't improve and/or he isn't traded, then we still have Sam where we can maybe catch lightning in a bottle, and we have a haul of picks to make a move at QB next year, regardless who that is.
Deshaun Watson gonna force Olivia Landis to rub his back
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2021, 12:32:19 PM
I'd be shocked if we kept Sam. Even if we traded back and let someone else have Wilson, I would rather go after Fields or Lance or even Jones.Only way we remain an option for Watson is if we offer to massage him.
The only way we keep Sam IMO is if we want to remain an option for Deshaun Watson. Then we keep Sam, trade back from #2, pick up a haul of picks, and maintain flexibility. Then if Watson ends up traded, and we still want him, we are best-situated to get him. And if the Watson news doesn't improve and/or he isn't traded, then we still have Sam where we can maybe catch lightning in a bottle, and we have a haul of picks to make a move at QB next year, regardless who that is.
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2021, 12:52:57 PM
It'll be funny if we have to delete your account because we keep Sam, but he tears his ACL in the preseason.
if i go down, i hope its this
Post by: MBGreen on March 23, 2021, 12:54:05 PM
if i go down, i hope its this
your doomsday countdown has commenced.....good luck.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2021, 12:54:34 PM
if i go down, i hope its thisGoing down with Captain Morgan's ship.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 23, 2021, 07:10:26 PM
If they can turn that #2 into a windfall of picks (especially now with the whole Watson mess), I still think it's the best option for this team to keep Sam one more year.
Build the OL into a wall with the draft, maybe draft another receiver to go with the group coming back/signed, and see if Sam looks markedly better. If so, fantastic. If not, sell the farm next year to draft someone who will come in with the rest of the offense in place.
That said, it will hurt badly if Sam sucks and Wilson is a stud.
It's really going to be tough to figure out a trade down with real value for us. If we go to Carolina and get say #8, #40, next years 1 and 2022 3rd, which is an impressive haul.
Lets fast forward to 2022 draft. Sam didn't get it done and he's out. We improved a bit as a team and coaching helped us even more. Now we are picking 11. Let's say we decide to go get a QB at #3 because its the right spot for "our guy." What is that trade going to look like? Will they demand all 3 1's that we have that year? Does that even make the trade down with Carolina worth it? (assuming we had a QB highly graded this year, which most presume is Wilson)
Or doe we really need an RG3 haul to even consider it working out if Sam doesn't end up "the guy?" 3 1s a pair of 2s and maybe a player? That would be tough to turn down, but I just don't think an offer like that is even going to exist.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 23, 2021, 07:42:37 PM
It's really going to be tough to figure out a trade down with real value for us. If we go to Carolina and get say #8, #40, next years 1 and 2022 3rd, which is an impressive haul.
Lets fast forward to 2022 draft. Sam didn't get it done and he's out. We improved a bit as a team and coaching helped us even more. Now we are picking 11. Let's say we decide to go get a QB at #3 because its the right spot for "our guy." What is that trade going to look like? Will they demand all 3 1's that we have that year? Does that even make the trade down with Carolina worth it? (assuming we had a QB highly graded this year, which most presume is Wilson)
Or doe we really need an RG3 haul to even consider it working out if Sam doesn't end up "the guy?" 3 1s a pair of 2s and maybe a player? That would be tough to turn down, but I just don't think an offer like that is even going to exist.
First, you have to walk away with 3 first-rounders, whatever else the compensation. This is a draft where if Lawrence wasn't there, there would be a sports-talk argument every day on which QB should go #1. The #2 pick this year is ridiculously valuable.
From there, Douglas absolutely must draft multiple offensive linemen--especially guards--this year. Again, you have to give Darnold the keys to succeed. If he doesn't, that's fine, you have a rebuilt OL, a decent stable of receivers (especially if you draft one), and multiple #1s in the following 2 drafts with which to trade up for someone.
But this is all predicated on two things:
1) At least a reasonable belief that you can salvage Darnold--quickly
2) You are not convinced Wilson or Fields is potentially much better than Darnold
Post by: dcm1602 on March 24, 2021, 06:32:15 PM
My gut says getting 3 1sts is extremely unlikely, but two 1st a very good but not elite player and possibly a 2nd/3rd and or swap of picks to make sure the compensation is fair depending on the player/pick location seems fair. Of course any potential team would probably necessitate cap savings even after any signing bonus hits incurred
Especially say if the 49ers decide they wanna move on from Jimmy G after checking out the young QB's and Lafleur/Saleh wanting to poach old players. I would think that might be one of the more feasible trade down scenarios for us
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2021, 07:12:43 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 06:10:14 AM
I think it makes a lot of sense, if we're going to pass on a potential franchise QB we should ensure the guy we're choosing is gonna stick around a bit.
Plus I don't want to be in the situation where Darnold improves quite a bit, but still isn't a legit stud. Leaving us to franchise tag him, and potentially be married to him long term with a decent sized contract for a QB.
Sure a 5th year option wouldn't be ideal if he sucks, but at least it would be done and overwith in one year. Not to mention if he's that bad we'll have plenty of chances to get a QB the next 2 years
Post by: Libero_2 on March 25, 2021, 06:19:56 AM
Post by: Badger on March 25, 2021, 06:21:56 AM
What’s the difference between the franchise tag price and Sam’s 5th year option? My guess is about $7 million I’d gladly pay that premium if Sam balls out. No option for me5th year option is $18M according to Spotrac.
Dunno what the tag would be.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 06:40:09 AM
What’s the difference between the franchise tag price and Sam’s 5th year option? My guess is about $7 million I’d gladly pay that premium if Sam balls out. No option for me
Difference is you can have him play out the 5th year option, knowing you can tag and extend him after if he has a great 5th year.
If you tag him, then suddenly we end up in Dak prescott territory contract wise.
If the teams gonna pass on getting a QB when we're primed for it, I think the 5th year option makes a lot of sense.
If he's not worth the 5th year option, he's probably not worth passing on this year's crop of QBs
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 06:42:47 AM
5th year option is $18M according to Spotrac.
Dunno what the tag would be.
I believe Sam's 5th year option would he notably higher than that, around 23 million
But the tag could be closer to 28+ million at that point
But if sportrac says that's the number I sure won't argue..the Jets have to exercise it if it is
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 25, 2021, 07:33:04 AM
This is Sam's last shot if they don't draft a QB. If he doesn't blow everyone away with his performance, it's time to move on. If he does, you just pay the man.
Post by: insanity on March 25, 2021, 08:58:07 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on March 25, 2021, 01:09:05 PM
There's no reason to pick up the option.
This is Sam's last shot if they don't draft a QB. If he doesn't blow everyone away with his performance, it's time to move on. If he does, you just pay the man.
This. If he’s insanely good (highly unlikely) you have 2 franchise rage seasons to get a deal done. In the much more likely scenario we want to move on next offseason, not having his option is going to make that way easier
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 04:04:55 PM
There's no reason to pick up the option.
This is Sam's last shot if they don't draft a QB. If he doesn't blow everyone away with his performance, it's time to move on. If he does, you just pay the man.
There is a reason though
Say Sam has a very good but not top 10 QB year.
Are you comfortable giving him a huge cotnract with something in the ballpark of 100 million guaranteed off of one good season?
My logic of the 5th year option is simple. I'd rather commit to Sam for 2 seasons now, instead of potentially 4 more seasons after next year
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 25, 2021, 04:09:39 PM
Committing to Sam at all is not a good idea. And that's a big reason why you have to draft someone at 2. Start the clock over.
We talk about "what if Sam has a top-10 year" or "what if he has a very good but not top 10 year." He hasn't had an average year yet. You can argue he hasn't even had a below average year yet.
To me, if you build around Sam, it's because you want Deshaun Watson. If Watson is too toxic or you can't agree on a trade, Sam is the backup plan. In that scenario, let him play out the season, and franchise him if you can't make a deal.
Post by: Badger on March 25, 2021, 04:35:06 PM
Say Sam has a very good but not top 10 QB year.
Are you comfortable giving him a huge cotnract with something in the ballpark of 100 million guaranteed off of one good season?
No, but who would be? Are we competing with other teams trying to give $100M gtd to a guy in the middle third of QBs?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2021, 04:36:48 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 04:38:32 PM
Sam hasn't even had an average season yet.
Committing to Sam at all is not a good idea. And that's a big reason why you have to draft someone at 2. Start the clock over.
We talk about "what if Sam has a top-10 year" or "what if he has a very good but not top 10 year." He hasn't had an average year yet. You can argue he hasn't even had a below average year yet.
To me, if you build around Sam, it's because you want Deshaun Watson. If Watson is too toxic or you can't agree on a trade, Sam is the backup plan. In that scenario, let him play out the season, and franchise him if you can't make a deal.
Sure but I'm not making the argument we shouldn't draft a QB at #2. If they don't think Sam is the guy, you move on and be done with it. Even Watson is an extreme backup plan at best.
If the plan is to keep Sam and build around him, to what end? He can literally be the most improved QB in the league next season, would we suddenly be willing to give him a 5 year 150 million dollar contract with 100 million guaranteed off of one good year? Suddenly you have to worry about a scenario like Sanchez or Jared Goff.
To me the only reason you keep Sam and don't 5th year tag him, is you think all the top QBs in this draft aren't franchise QBs, and we're simply using Sam as a placeholder.
But unless the plan is to commit to Sam for at least two years, just trade his freaking derriere for anything you can get and be done with it
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2021, 04:40:10 PM
Sure but I'm not making the argument we shouldn't draft a QB at #2. If they don't think Sam is the guy, you move on and be done with it. Even Watson is an extreme backup plan at best.
If the plan is to keep Sam and build around him, to what end? He can literally be the most improved QB in the league next season, would we suddenly be willing to give him a 5 year 150 million dollar contract with 100 million guaranteed off of one good year? Suddenly you have to worry about a scenario like Sanchez or Jared Goff.
To me the only reason you keep Sam and don't 5th year tag him, is you think all the top QBs in this draft aren't franchise QBs, and we're simply using Sam as a placeholder.
But unless the plan is to commit to Sam for at least two years, just trade his freaking derriere for anything you can get and be done with it
thanks, Mr. Potato Fro
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 04:40:54 PM
No, but who would be? Are we competing with other teams trying to give $100M gtd to a guy in the middle third of QBs?
If we decide Sam is worth keeping then other teams would certainly decide he's worth grabbing as well.
You don't franchise tag a QB and then have him agree to a 4 year 75 million dollar contract.
If he shows something good next year and is an UFA (or franchise tagged) he's going to get a huge payday. It's the nature of the beast of QB'S
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 04:41:39 PM
thanks, Mr. Potato Fro
What did we get when we traded Darnold two weeks ago?
I don't think schefter ever tweeted it out
Post by: Badger on March 25, 2021, 04:42:14 PM
Post by: Laxin on March 25, 2021, 04:46:20 PM
Dak just got 126M guaranteed and has produced at a top 10 level almost every year he's been in the league. No one is giving Sam 50M guaranteed even if he plays like a top 5 QB.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 04:48:10 PM
The Sanchez extension wasn't bad and Goff led his team to a Super Bowl before his big extension so I don't see how either serves as a cautionary tale here.Osweiller? Foles? Wentz?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 04:49:09 PM
Who tf is giving Darnold 100M guaranteed lol
Dak just got 126M guaranteed and has produced at a top 10 level almost every year he's been in the league. No one is giving Sam 50M guaranteed even if he plays like a top 5 QB.
Dak also fought for a 4 year deal and got his during a cap crunch season.
Post by: MBGreen on March 25, 2021, 04:52:37 PM
What did we get when we traded Darnold two weeks ago?
I don't think schefter ever tweeted it out
After Wilson's pro day tomorrow...kiss Samuel goodbye.
#suckittt
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2021, 07:41:50 PM
Post by: Laxin on March 25, 2021, 07:49:30 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1375244532669943813?s=19
A pro day shouldnt be that significant for a QB who's projected to go in the top 3. If the Jets take him at 2, his pro day wasn't the reason why.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2021, 08:23:44 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 10:24:12 PM
A pro day shouldnt be that significant for a QB who's projected to go in the top 3. If the Jets take him at 2, his pro day wasn't the reason why.
The tweet did say it was his job to lose
In otherwords if he's not taken at 2 his pro day could be why
Post by: dcm1602 on March 25, 2021, 10:26:56 PM
Classic dcm mode, what if Sam Darnold is too good?
Not quite what I was saying
It was more along the lines of if we're going to skip on drafting a quality franchise QB this year because of Sam, then we should at least have enough confidence in him to take the 5th year option.
And I'd rather overpay Sam on a 5th year option and regret it, then to give Sam a new contract after an improved year then regret it
Post by: Libero_2 on March 26, 2021, 04:51:46 AM
A pro day shouldnt be that significant for a QB who's projected to go in the top 3. If the Jets take him at 2, his pro day wasn't the reason why.
Normally I’d agree, but this is probably the only chance that the Jets staff is going to have to be around Wilson in person and see him interacting with teammates, peers and that’s why I think this pro day is different than most other years.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2021, 05:27:19 AM
Normally I’d agree, but this is probably the only chance that the Jets staff is going to have to be around Wilson in person and see him interacting with teammates, peers and that’s why I think this pro day is different than most other years.
Good point.
Post by: Laxin on March 26, 2021, 08:52:49 AM
Normally I’d agree, but this is probably the only chance that the Jets staff is going to have to be around Wilson in person and see him interacting with teammates, peers and that’s why I think this pro day is different than most other years.
The only thing that I think matters is his medicals and how he interviews. I don't think anything he does on the field today should or will have an impact.
Post by: Laxin on March 26, 2021, 04:40:58 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 26, 2021, 04:42:48 PM
When do we think we'll see a Sam Darnold trade? Seems more and more likely that Wilson is the guy at 2.
Hopefully ASAP
Post by: bojanglesman on March 26, 2021, 05:04:22 PM
When do we think we'll see a Sam Darnold trade? Seems more and more likely that Wilson is the guy at 2.Trying to think what team is left that would at least put him in the mix to start. Carolina? Bears? Broncos? Everywhere else he's a project backup.
Probably getting a used tampon for him at this point. No need to rush it unless Carolina calls. And they are kinda stuck with Teddy this year.
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2021, 06:12:40 PM
When do we think we'll see a Sam Darnold trade? Seems more and more likely that Wilson is the guy at 2.On draft day
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2021, 07:36:37 PM
After Wilson's pro day tomorrow...kiss Samuel goodbye.
#suckittt
bump
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2021, 07:49:39 PM
Post by: IATA on March 26, 2021, 08:32:00 PM
im onboard with the mormon messiah.
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2021, 08:36:56 PM
goodbye sam, we hardly knew yeWeren't you deleting your account or something?
im onboard with the mormon messiah.
Post by: IATA on March 26, 2021, 08:45:39 PM
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2021, 08:45:59 PM
Weren't you deleting your account or something?Fake news
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2021, 08:54:04 PM
i dunno what your talking aboutLies make Jesus cry
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 26, 2021, 09:00:25 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2021, 09:30:41 PM
I'd like to see him go to Denver. Elway supposedly really likes him. I like Darnold, but Wilson's gotta be the guy now.
I'd like him in Chicago, I've always had a soft spot for them and they're in the NFC. Carolina would be cool as well, watching Matt Rhule be successful with Sam would be a very effective and well deserved freak you to the Jets.
Post by: IATA on March 26, 2021, 10:08:18 PM
Lies make Jesus cry
youre demented
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 26, 2021, 10:27:24 PM
Lies make Jesus cryHard to cry when you're not real.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 26, 2021, 11:45:51 PM
Since San Francisco is essentially a sure thing to take a QB whereas Miami presumably had a high chance of going LT or wideout (or trading out)
Post by: MBGreen on March 26, 2021, 11:52:38 PM
youre dementedSleep well tonight, little flower.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 27, 2021, 12:11:05 AM
Sooo the fins trading out raises the value of our first now?
We are not trading out of #2.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 27, 2021, 12:23:37 AM
We are not trading out of #2.
JD gone do what he thinks is best.
I'm just saying that this puts us in a stronger position regardless of what he does.
I imagine drafting a QB is the most likely course we take. But is far from a sure thing. Especially since the Watson drama could have fucked up some other teams plans further
Post by: Libero_2 on March 27, 2021, 06:03:10 AM
JD gone do what he thinks is best.
I'm just saying that this puts us in a stronger position regardless of what he does.
I imagine drafting a QB is the most likely course we take. But is far from a sure thing. Especially since the Watson drama could have fucked up some other teams plans further
Given all the tea leaves connecting us to Wilson, you would need to see an NFL history level trade offer to consider moving off the 2.
I’m talking RGIII +
4 1s 2 2nds and a premium player on their first contract. There is absolutely no chance said offer comes and thus we are staying and taking Wilson.
Post by: insanity on March 27, 2021, 07:20:33 AM
Post by: casman02 on March 27, 2021, 10:08:51 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 27, 2021, 10:42:10 AM
I am still holding out hope on retaining. While on the one hand I am still a fan, a decent part of me also wants to see Jets twitter explode
prrrrt
Post by: bojanglesman on March 27, 2021, 12:06:21 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 27, 2021, 12:26:50 PM
If Howie Roseman doesn't give a freak, there some real thoughts to be had there.
The one downer to it all is none of those first rounders are likely to be top 10.
Post by: MBGreen on March 27, 2021, 12:31:16 PM
Still not 100% sure Douglas doesn't trade out of 2. I don't think it's 100% decided. I think the right offer could still be made to pull them away from Wilson back to keeping Darnold. It would have to be huge though. Ultimately, I think no one will or can offer what the Jets want to move from Wilson.I am 103% sure he stays at 2. That extra 3% is there to make you feel better.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 27, 2021, 12:40:33 PM
I am 103% sure he stays at 2. That extra 3% is there to make you feel better.I certainly would bet on it too. But you never know in the NFL. Ultimately I think the deal-sealer is resetting the cheap QB contract.
I expect we either trade Darnold for something next year or maybe use him to move up one of our picks several spots.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 27, 2021, 12:44:59 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 27, 2021, 02:18:37 PM
I certainly would bet on it too. But you never know in the NFL. Ultimately I think the deal-sealer is resetting the cheap QB contract.The contract...and the fact SF traded up to 3 instead of with us. Biggest tell-tale sign right there.
I expect we either trade Darnold for something next year or maybe use him to move up one of our picks several spots.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 27, 2021, 02:22:11 PM
The contract...and the fact SF traded up to 3 instead of with us. Biggest tell-tale sign right there.Yep. Doug told them they could stay at 3 and get Wilson once we draft Fields at 2.
Post by: MBGreen on March 27, 2021, 02:30:34 PM
Yep. Doug told them they could stay at 3 and get Wilson once we draft Fields at 2.Your ban will come into effect 5 mins after this happens on Apr 29
Post by: Libero_2 on March 27, 2021, 02:43:58 PM
I think we'll get a 2nd round pick out of one of the teams that misses out on getting a QB in round 1. Carolina, Denver, Washington, Chicago, and Pittsburgh are the most viable.
I expect we either trade Darnold for something next year or maybe use him to move up one of our picks several spots.
DJ kicked around an interesting proposal on path to the draft the Wilson special.
He said Sam +34 for 8 or 9 depending on which team wants him in Denver or Carolina.
I won’t lie I want more picks, not to improve a pick for Sam. But a top 10 pick would be tremendous value. Can you imagine pairing Wilson with Sewell, Chase, Waddle or Smith? Or what about snagging Surtain to solve our CB issues? Or just trading back to say 13 for a pair of 2s and selecting Jaycee Horn.
That would be an incredibly enticing opportunity
Post by: insanity on March 27, 2021, 02:49:55 PM
DJ kicked around an interesting proposal on path to the draft the Wilson special.Lol I will eat my hat if that happenz
He said Sam +34 for 8 or 9 depending on which team wants him in Denver or Carolina.
I won’t lie I want more picks, not to improve a pick for Sam. But a top 10 pick would be tremendous value. Can you imagine pairing Wilson with Sewell, Chase, Waddle or Smith? Or what about snagging Surtain to solve our CB issues? Or just trading back to say 13 for a pair of 2s and selecting Jaycee Horn.
That would be an incredibly enticing opportunity
Post by: bojanglesman on March 27, 2021, 03:16:52 PM
DJ kicked around an interesting proposal on path to the draft the Wilson special.I can't imagine us being able to go from 34 to 9 with just Darnold. Maybe 23 to 9.
He said Sam +34 for 8 or 9 depending on which team wants him in Denver or Carolina.
I won’t lie I want more picks, not to improve a pick for Sam. But a top 10 pick would be tremendous value. Can you imagine pairing Wilson with Sewell, Chase, Waddle or Smith? Or what about snagging Surtain to solve our CB issues? Or just trading back to say 13 for a pair of 2s and selecting Jaycee Horn.
That would be an incredibly enticing opportunity
Post by: insanity on March 27, 2021, 03:24:26 PM
I can't imagine us being able to go from 34 to 9 with just Darnold. Maybe 23 to 9.How do you see with those green tinted glasses
Post by: bojanglesman on March 27, 2021, 03:32:52 PM
How do you see with those green tinted glassesPoorly.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 27, 2021, 03:35:45 PM
Maybe 23, 107 and Darnold for 9 and 237. That puts Darnold around the 39th pick. Denver would probably ask for 86 in this deal though, and maybe we can get their 6th instead of their 7th.
Post by: Libero_2 on March 27, 2021, 06:22:20 PM
My ideal scenario that doesn’t involve a straight up 1 is a 2 and future 2 from Chicago or Pittsburgh.
I’m sure that also roughly equates to about pick 35 on the draft chart as well.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2021, 11:08:49 AM
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Post by: insanity on March 29, 2021, 11:12:07 AM
https://twitter.com/jfowlerespn/status/1376563714619490305?s=21The top reply is golden
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Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2021, 11:16:40 AM
https://twitter.com/jfowlerespn/status/1376563714619490305?s=21https://twitter.com/ByKimberleyA/status/1376510156809326592?s=19
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At some point, if the offers are too low, I'd consider it, mainly to have the option to trade him to a desperate team that has a QB go down early in the season. I don't like it though because I hate having 2 QBs splitting starting reps and it creates unnecessary drama. If we are keeping Darnold, just do it and trade out of 2. If not, just get the best deal you can. 2 possible starting QBs is 1 too many.
If we get to a point where the only offers we get are 4th rounders or some excrement, do you just trade him away for peanuts?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2021, 11:20:09 AM
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2021, 11:33:15 AM
https://twitter.com/ByKimberleyA/status/1376510156809326592?s=19At this point I'd take the 4th. Coming to terms with his diminished value.
At some point, if the offers are too low, I'd consider it, mainly to have the option to trade him to a desperate team that has a QB go down early in the season. I don't like it though because I hate having 2 QBs splitting starting reps and it creates unnecessary drama. If we are keeping Darnold, just do it and trade out of 2. If not, just get the best deal you can. 2 possible starting QBs is 1 too many.
If we get to a point where the only offers we get are 4th rounders or some excrement, do you just trade him away for peanuts?
Post by: Laxin on March 29, 2021, 11:34:22 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 29, 2021, 11:36:53 AM
I don't like it though because I hate having 2 QBs splitting starting reps
Darnold would be the backup from the start. You can't take a QB at 2 and give the player you clearly gave up on a chance.
It would be ridiculous to keep him because a portion of the NYJ fans that want to "trade the pick and build around Sam" will actively root against Zach Wilson.
We did that with Geno vs. Sanchez. It's stupid as hell.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2021, 11:48:52 AM
Daniel Jeremiah is on the payroll and you love to see it
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 29, 2021, 11:49:43 AM
One or the other. If you still want to "save Sam" that #2 pick is ludicrously valuable right now.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 29, 2021, 11:50:35 AM
Darnold would be the backup from the start. You can't take a QB at 2 and give the player you clearly gave up on a chance.
It would be ridiculous to keep him because a portion of the NYJ fans that want to "trade the pick and build around Sam" will actively root against Zach Wilson.
We did that with Geno vs. Sanchez. It's stupid as hell.
Heh, I was writing as you posted this, but exactly this.
Post by: MBGreen on March 29, 2021, 11:52:25 AM
At this point I'd take the 4th. Coming to terms with his diminished value.dcm mode engaged
We should hold onto him until the draft...his value won't be affected. Durrr
dcm mode disengaged
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 29, 2021, 11:52:45 AM
- think that you'd rather have Darnold as a backup QB than a draft pick
- think the QB at 2 needs time to develop on the bench
- think Darnold will somehow have more trade value in the preseason
I don't think any of those are that realistic options.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 29, 2021, 12:05:28 PM
The fact that his deal is essentially expiring and the fifth year option is not acceptable because he's stinks absolutely tank his value.
Lots of people want to bring up the Josh Rosen trade, but he had several years left on his deal when that trade was made. Darnold is basically a rent-and-see.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 29, 2021, 12:13:08 PM
Post by: Laxin on March 29, 2021, 01:00:54 PM
The only way you keep Darnold is if you
- think that you'd rather have Darnold as a backup QB than a draft pick
- think the QB at 2 needs time to develop on the bench
- think Darnold will somehow have more trade value in the preseason
I don't think any of those are that realistic options.
Then you have to weigh the fact that having him and Wilson in the same QB room is a major distraction to both players and an easy source for a QB "controversy" in the NY media. Its just not worth it. Cutting him would probably be a better option than having him and Wilson on the same team.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 29, 2021, 01:15:39 PM
Post by: Badger on March 29, 2021, 02:09:36 PM
I will say, I don't think the return will get much lower than it is now. I'd say sit tight for a week and see what happens.
I agree about sitting tight for a bit as long as we're not waiting past the draft - then the return can, in fact, get lower.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 29, 2021, 03:00:51 PM
I agree about sitting tight for a bit as long as we're not waiting past the draft - then the return can, in fact, get lower.
Exactly. We are the Jets...known to bungle the simplest of tasks. If there is a way we can freak ourselves on ANYTHING we WILL find a way.
Post by: Coach K on March 29, 2021, 08:32:40 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 12:53:50 AM
dcm mode engaged
We should hold onto him until the draft...his value won't be affected. Durrr
dcm mode disengaged
It's cool were gonna trade him 2 months ago
Post by: MBGreen on March 30, 2021, 06:52:26 AM
It's cool were gonna trade him 2 months agoYou can relax...we'll get that conditional 7th rounder at the draft.
Post by: IATA on March 30, 2021, 08:11:12 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 30, 2021, 08:12:34 AM
lol why would we trade our starting qb
hahaha
i see you deleted your avatar, you have to do the rest of your account too ;)
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2021, 05:52:28 PM
Unless someone makes a good offer soon, the Jets may hang on to Darnold until the draft, after they take Wilson at 2. If the Broncos, Panthers, or whichever team can't get the QB they want, the Jets trade them Darnold as that team's plan B. Maybe one or more of those teams have had discussions with the Jets already and it just depends how the draft shakes out. Of course the Jets could get left holding their bag, but worst case they trade him to someone for backup/project QB payoff, maybe a 4th or some excrement, which is probably the case right now. But if say the Broncos can't get their guy, they might give up something better for Darnold instead of banking on Drew Lock.
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2021, 06:10:59 PM
Rich Eisen made a good point. Even though the Jets may know they are taking Wilson at 2, it is possible that a team like the Broncos or Panthers may be trying to draft one of the rookie QBs either at 8 or 9, or try to move up on draft day. Beyond the Jets at 2, I don't think anyone knows how the QB draft situation will shake out. SF is taking a QB, but no one knows which one.IMO the problem with that is presumably most QB-needy teams will try to address it in the draft, so it's kind of a gamble to hold him until after because all the potential suitors might be gone, at very least the field will narrow. I don't think Darnold as of now stacks up vs the other first round prospects - he's in "take a flier" territory like the other QBs on day 2 or 3 of the draft.
Unless someone makes a good offer soon, the Jets may hang on to Darnold until the draft, after they take Wilson at 2. If the Broncos, Panthers, or whichever team can't get the QB they want, the Jets trade them Darnold as that team's plan B. Maybe one or more of those teams have had discussions with the Jets already and it just depends how the draft shakes out. Of course the Jets could get left holding their bag, but worst case they trade him to someone for backup/project QB payoff, maybe a 4th or some excrement, which is probably the case right now. But if say the Broncos can't get their guy, they might give up something better for Darnold instead of banking on Drew Lock.
On the other hand, maybe other teams have told Joe D they're not interested in trading for him until after the draft, so we don't really know.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 30, 2021, 06:16:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2021, 06:18:16 PM
How about we just release him?
That would probably be the most appropriate way to underline this abject period of failed resource management by the club, yes.
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 30, 2021, 06:24:27 PM
That would probably be the most appropriate way to underline this abject period of failed resource management by the club, yes.
I’m convinced the only purpose of this team is to generate annoying debates on message boards and radio shows. I don’t see any evidence for them trying to win anything in the last decade.
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2021, 06:30:10 PM
I’m convinced the only purpose of this team is to generate annoying debates on message boards and radio shows. I don’t see any evidence for them trying to win anything in the last decade.
LOL. Why bother trying to be successful by other people's standards, when you can simply redefine success as being whatever it is you're currently producing?
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 07:21:07 PM
I'm still a strong believer that if Darnold walks as a UFA, we get a 3rd round compensatory draft pick for him.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 07:21:50 PM
IMO the problem with that is presumably most QB-needy teams will try to address it in the draft, so it's kind of a gamble to hold him until after because all the potential suitors might be gone, at very least the field will narrow. I don't think Darnold as of now stacks up vs the other first round prospects - he's in "take a flier" territory like the other QBs on day 2 or 3 of the draft.
On the other hand, maybe other teams have told Joe D they're not interested in trading for him until after the draft, so we don't really know.
Compensatory draft picks are always a possibility
Post by: bojanglesman on March 30, 2021, 07:36:51 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 30, 2021, 07:39:49 PM
You can't bank on a comp. pick because it isn't just about what he signs for elsewhere. If we also sign a excrement ton of free agents because we suck as usual, it gets cancelled out and we get diddly squat. Plus, it wouldn't be until 2023.
I'm not suggesting we bank on it, just it's something you put on the backburner.
I just think for anything less than a 2nd, you don't gain enough to trade him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 31, 2021, 09:20:35 AM
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Post by: MBGreen on March 31, 2021, 09:37:46 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/hmzPXdD/5-D43-F890-AD17-4952-A01-C-E5-A4774-F586-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CHGkJ9h)
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on the positive side, she has great funbags.
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 31, 2021, 10:53:37 AM
I don't think Sam gets that much, but I was also shocked Wentz brought that much back. If some team out there loves Sam and misses out on the QBs they want in the draft, we'll see what JD can do.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 31, 2021, 10:54:42 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 31, 2021, 10:59:22 AM
Still think we cant get a 2.
That's where I'm at. Unless there's more than 1 team involved, I think it's a fire sale. Hopefully Doug proves me wrong and gets nine 1sts for him.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 31, 2021, 11:35:00 AM
That's where I'm at. Unless there's more than 1 team involved, I think it's a fire sale. Hopefully Doug proves me wrong and gets nine 1sts for him.
That was actually a typo. Meant to type "can".
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 31, 2021, 11:36:16 AM
Post by: delavan on March 31, 2021, 02:37:42 PM
on the positive side, she has great funbags.MBMotorboat....brrrrr..... nice rack, sorry 'bout the face...
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=579917&show_all=1#14326069
Sam: sit tight and wait for at least a 2nd
Post by: MBGreen on March 31, 2021, 02:58:32 PM
MBMotorboat....brrrrr..... nice rack, sorry 'bout the face...
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=579917&show_all=1#14326069
Sam: sit tight and wait for at least a 2nd
BRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2021, 03:13:39 PM
MBMotorboat....brrrrr..... nice rack, sorry 'bout the face...
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=579917&show_all=1#14326069
Sam: sit tight and wait for at least a 2nd
That forum software is a 1990s abomination.
Post by: delavan on March 31, 2021, 05:38:19 PM
That forum software is a 1990s abomination.
You're right, I tried googling a jpg pix of MB's fav guidette and that forum source came up.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 01, 2021, 10:39:11 AM
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1377637583631552513?s=20
I wouldn't be surprised if Sam is on the roster week 1. It would be no diff for SF to draft a QB at 3 and start Garopollo.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 01, 2021, 11:04:39 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Sam is on the roster week 1. It would be no diff for SF to draft a QB at 3 and start Garopollo.
Whoever SF drafts at 3 will be a questionable day 1 starter. Wilson is a day 1 starter.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 01, 2021, 11:11:44 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Sam is on the roster week 1. It would be no diff for SF to draft a QB at 3 and start Garopollo.
It'd be very different because we have a bunch of dumbass fans that will actively root against Zach Wilson because they still think Sam Darnold can play
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 01, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Sam is on the roster week 1. It would be no diff for SF to draft a QB at 3 and start Garopollo.It'd be very different because the 49ers are trying to have their cake and eat it, too. They want to compete for a Super Bowl, but they also want to get a young QB of the future at the same time.
Also, Garoppolo isn't terrible. Darnold has been terrible. If Darnold were good, Darnold would be our QB next year. There is zero reason to keep Darnold if we go QB at 2.
Garoppolo can provide average QB production, and he's shown that he's good enough to lead a team to an NFC title. He's also 29, so he likely doesn't have a lot more development left to do.
Darnold has never shown he can be average. He's a developmental QB at this point, and he has more value to other teams in that role.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on April 01, 2021, 09:23:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2021, 09:46:52 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 01, 2021, 10:22:52 PM
I wouldn’t trade Darnold for a 4th. We used a 4th on our future franchise QB last year.
FYP
Post by: loyaljetsfan on April 02, 2021, 08:30:13 PM
It'd be very different because the 49ers are trying to have their cake and eat it, too. They want to compete for a Super Bowl, but they also want to get a young QB of the future at the same time.
Also, Garoppolo isn't terrible. Darnold has been terrible. If Darnold were good, Darnold would be our QB next year. There is zero reason to keep Darnold if we go QB at 2.
Garoppolo can provide average QB production, and he's shown that he's good enough to lead a team to an NFC title. He's also 29, so he likely doesn't have a lot more development left to do.
Darnold has never shown he can be average. He's a developmental QB at this point, and he has more value to other teams in that role.
If you want to help develop a young QB, just do the complete opposite of what we did.
You can't have Gase as a head coach and a WR corps that should be working at whole foods and expect to be average, let alone good.
Garoppolo had a very good team around him on both sides of the ball when they went to the SB. Something Sanchez could say, but Sam cannot.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 03, 2021, 06:59:01 PM
If you want to help develop a young QB, just do the complete opposite of what we did.(https://i.imgur.com/jPFYRNY.gif?noredirect)
You can't have Gase as a head coach and a WR corps that should be working at whole foods and expect to be average, let alone good.
Garoppolo had a very good team around him on both sides of the ball when they went to the SB. Something Sanchez could say, but Sam cannot.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2021, 08:27:43 AM
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Darnold's trade market appears to be drying up, fueling speculation the Jets could keep him and pair him with a rookie. That could be awkward, but McCown sees the upside in that scenario.
"Can it be done? Absolutely," McCown said. "In my mind, if you can't get the value now for him, that's absolutely how you go about it. I wouldn't even call it a competition. I would just say, 'We're going to go with Sam as the guy and bring Zach along.' If Sam knocks it out of the park, we'll re-evaluate where we are a year from now.
"Sam would embrace it and be helpful, but he'd also go out and work hard and try to make the most of the opportunity to play this year -- and put it back on them and make them have to make a tough decision at the end of the year. I think, if that happens, really and truly, everybody wins."
Well, it worked with Mahomes and Lamar, but that wasn't NY. I'd rather just pick one or the other.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 04, 2021, 08:42:02 AM
From Josh McCown:
Well, it worked with Mahomes and Lamar, but that wasn't NY. I'd rather just pick one or the other.
And neither guy (Alex Smith or Joe Flacco) was considered the “guy” for them any more when the new guy was drafted. But sitting for a while would not be bad for the rookie, aside from Lawrence. I’ve long since wished we could go the Carson Palmer route with a guy. But we actually have to get a reasonable starter level of play out of Sam, and frankly we haven’t seen that from him for more than 2-3 weeks in a row. If he starts awful, then NY will demand to see Wilson on the field and heaven forbid if Darnold is still the better QB what that would actually mean for us
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 04, 2021, 08:43:34 AM
And neither guy (Alex Smith or Joe Flacco) was considered the “guy” for them any more when the new guy was drafted. But sitting for a while would not be bad for the rookie, aside from Lawrence. I’ve long since wished we could go the Carson Palmer route with a guy. But we actually have to get a reasonable starter level of play out of Sam, and frankly we haven’t seen that from him for more than 2-3 weeks in a row. If he starts awful, then NY will demand to see Wilson on the field and heaven forbid if Darnold is still the better QB what that would actually mean for usI'd be perfectly fine with a vet starting over whatever rookie we come away with, although I would prefer it to not be Darnold.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2021, 09:03:29 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2021, 12:00:15 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 04, 2021, 12:23:47 PM
Downside is a wasted year for a rookie QB on a cheap contract.When did this become such a priority, especially with this team?
Investing time in developing a QB is far more important than their rookie contract numbers, especially when the goal of the GM is to "build the draft" which should allow him to get fresh talent around the starting QB at lower numbers than bringing in expensive free agents.
We're not going to the Super Bowl this season with the amount of holes we have on the roster unless all of the picks through all seven rounds turn out to be viable starters as rookies so I'm not sure what we would be expecting from Wilson or whoever we select at 2 to accomplish.
If sitting him for a season gives him a chance to study the playbook amd shields him from being destroyed behind two currently awful starting options at guard and one borderline starting option at center I say it's resources well spent. I don't know how many GMs have hit on two quality starting rookie OGs in the same draft but I'm willing to believe that it's not many.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 04, 2021, 02:48:07 PM
When did this become such a priority, especially with this team?It has always been a priority. It's a priority with every QB who goes early in drafts. It was a priority with Sam, too, except Gase was an epic failure, Maccagnan was an epic failure, and Sam was a failure.
Investing time in developing a QB is far more important than their rookie contract numbers, especially when the goal of the GM is to "build the draft" which should allow him to get fresh talent around the starting QB at lower numbers than bringing in expensive free agents.
We're not going to the Super Bowl this season with the amount of holes we have on the roster unless all of the picks through all seven rounds turn out to be viable starters as rookies so I'm not sure what we would be expecting from Wilson or whoever we select at 2 to accomplish.
If sitting him for a season gives him a chance to study the playbook amd shields him from being destroyed behind two currently awful starting options at guard and one borderline starting option at center I say it's resources well spent. I don't know how many GMs have hit on two quality starting rookie OGs in the same draft but I'm willing to believe that it's not many.
You always want to win when your QB is on your rookie deal. Sometimes, it isn't feasible, but if you draft the right QB, there is no reason you can't compete at a high level by that QB's 3rd or 4th season. Rebuilding in the NFL shouldn't take that long if you do it right, and if you have the QB in place.
Cimini has always been on the side of keeping Darnold. If we've learned anything, it's that the current beat writers lack sources close to the team. So I take all of the stories about his trade value diminishing with a grain of salt. I always figured he would either get traded at the start of free agency or on draft day. He didn't get traded at the start of free agency, so I assume he'll be traded on draft day, probably day 2 sometime.
If Day 3 of the draft starts and Darnold is a Jet, I would be pretty shocked.
Post by: Badger on April 04, 2021, 02:51:18 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 04, 2021, 03:43:52 PM
I think it's awesome that no one knows excrement about what the Jets are planning.
I mean everyone knows the Jets are either drafting Wilson or keeping Sam.
That's not really nothing
Post by: reuben on April 04, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
I mean everyone knows the Jets are either drafting Wilson or keeping Sam.
That's not really nothing
The whole discussion of the day is about whether those outcomes are mutually exclusive.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 04, 2021, 05:48:38 PM
The whole discussion of the day is about whether those outcomes are mutually exclusive.
Logic says it'll come down to value.
If someone offers us a 1st or a 2nd we're definitely /not likely keeping Sam
If someone's offering us a 4th or less I'd imagine we keep him.
The only question in my mind is what's the tipping point
Post by: bojanglesman on April 04, 2021, 07:01:23 PM
Logic says it'll come down to value.It seems you, like the beat writers, have no info as to what the Jets are doing. In fact you are (https://i.imgur.com/jPFYRNY.gif)
If someone offers us a 1st or a 2nd we're definitely /not likely keeping Sam
If someone's offering us a 4th or less I'd imagine we keep him.
The only question in my mind is what's the tipping point
Post by: dcm1602 on April 04, 2021, 07:11:53 PM
It seems you, like the beat writers, have no info as to what the Jets are doing. In fact you are (https://i.imgur.com/jPFYRNY.gif)
Well again. If what the Jets do is likely dependent on outside factors outside of the Jets control, then presumably the Jets would have no idea what they're doing?
Joe Douglas has made it clear if the phone rings he will answer calls, which sounds pretty clearly like if the price is right, Sam is gone.
So unless someone has inside knowledge of what everyteam is willing to give up for Sam, idk what anyone could expect to know
Post by: reuben on April 04, 2021, 09:00:08 PM
It seems you, like the beat writers, have no info as to what the Jets are doing. In fact you are (https://i.imgur.com/jPFYRNY.gif)
It seems you, like the beat writers, have no info as to what the Jets are doing. In fact you are (https://i.imgur.com/jPFYRNY.gif)
More. POUR IT ON
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 04, 2021, 09:30:46 PM
Starting your round 1 rookie QB immediately has been the norm since 2008 with Ryan/Flacco.
I agree, but if he can’t beat out Sam Darnold, should he be starting?
Post by: Badger on April 05, 2021, 05:55:41 AM
I agree, but if he can’t beat out Sam Darnold, should he be starting?They will ensure he beats Sam Darnold and we'll all believe it.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 05, 2021, 07:20:06 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 05, 2021, 07:25:18 AM
If you do, then you trade that #2 pick and get yourself a nice stable of picks to build an offense with. If it doesn't work out, at least you have all the other pieces in place for next year's pick.
If you don't then you commit fully to Wilson. And you can't do that if he's looking over his shoulder at Sam.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 05, 2021, 07:50:28 AM
I still maintain that they've got to choose. You either believe you can fix Darnold or you don't.
If you do, then you trade that #2 pick and get yourself a nice stable of picks to build an offense with. If it doesn't work out, at least you have all the other pieces in place for next year's pick.
If you don't then you commit fully to Wilson. And you can't do that if he's looking over his shoulder at Sam.
Realistically, if the value for Sam isn't there you just keep him.
Make him the starter (or call it a competition, that realistically a rookie isn't going to win)
Sam starts the first few weeks. If he looks good/great you let him play out the year tag him, then figure out what the freak you're doing. If Sam looks like excrement, then the rookie finishes out the year and doesn't have to look over his shoulder
QB is a position that hedging your bets isn't unreasonable. And if Sam looks good enough to trade great we get extra picks. If Sam blossoms into a legit franchise QB, then you can easily trade Wilson for a plethora of picks (especially if next year's QB class/fa isn't as good as this year's)
If we get the right offer for Sam this is all moot, if we don't then it's not unreasonable to consider
Post by: Badger on April 05, 2021, 07:57:07 AM
Make him the starter (or call it a competition, that realistically a rookie isn't going to win)
Mentioned it earlier, and I know this isn't the same staff and FO from previous years, but I'd really be surprised if they didn't engineer a way for the rookie to "win" the job.
Sanchez and Darnold won it by being high picks and not total disasters in preseason. Geno won it because the FO forced him into first team reps and got Sanchez killed behind the backup OL.
Post by: insanity on April 05, 2021, 08:33:28 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 05, 2021, 09:43:37 AM
The whole discussion of the day is about whether those outcomes are mutually exclusive.Yes. They are. Sam is gone.
/discussion
Post by: Badger on April 05, 2021, 03:58:17 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 05, 2021, 03:59:03 PM
https://twitter.com/UltraWeedHater/status/1379176289509195776?s=19Can't stop the rooster
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 05, 2021, 04:04:38 PM
Sad.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 05, 2021, 04:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/alldayMAYE/status/1379177122070212613Why can't these guys stop themselves from posting comments that backfire?
Sad.
Post by: Badger on April 05, 2021, 04:35:42 PM
Why can't these guys stop themselves from posting comments that backfire?This one is too vague to backfire.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 05, 2021, 04:37:21 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 05, 2021, 05:03:34 PM
Why can't these guys stop themselves from posting comments that backfire?
How has it backfired?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 05, 2021, 05:12:08 PM
How has it backfired?Pretty soon the narrative will be that Maye thinks the Jets FO fucked up.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 05, 2021, 05:18:06 PM
Pretty soon the narrative will be that Maye thinks the Jets FO fucked up.
I...ok?
He's on a franchise tag and likely wasn't getting re-signed after this season. How did this change that?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 05, 2021, 05:24:04 PM
I...ok?You are aware of our fans and beat writers, correct? I'm not talking about his contract, I'm talking about his standing with the team and fans. I guess backfire isn't the right word. Maybe he just posted before thinking about repercussions, unless he just doesn't care anymore.
He's on a franchise tag and likely wasn't getting re-signed after this season. How did this change that?
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1379197516701392903?s=19
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/05/marcus-maye-apparently-not-a-fan-of-the-sam-darnold-trade/amp
Post by: Badger on April 05, 2021, 05:47:40 PM
You are aware of our fans and beat writers, correct? I'm not talking about his contract, I'm talking about his standing with the team and fans. I guess backfire isn't the right word. Maybe he just posted before thinking about repercussions, unless he just doesn't care anymore.I think the fans will be more distracted by the run up to the draft and its aftermath.
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1379197516701392903?s=19
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/05/marcus-maye-apparently-not-a-fan-of-the-sam-darnold-trade/amp
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 05, 2021, 07:26:38 PM
You are aware of our fans and beat writers, correct? I'm not talking about his contract, I'm talking about his standing with the team and fans. I guess backfire isn't the right word. Maybe he just posted before thinking about repercussions, unless he just doesn't care anymore.
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1379197516701392903?s=19
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/05/marcus-maye-apparently-not-a-fan-of-the-sam-darnold-trade/amp
This happens on every team when a big name player, struggling or not, gets traded away, especially when said player is such a well respected person in the locker room. Let the moron fans and hack beat writers react to it.
Maye is a professional, I doubt this will be a problem.
Post by: delavan on April 05, 2021, 07:32:49 PM
https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/169069-panthers-trade-for-sam-darnold/#comments
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 05, 2021, 07:35:45 PM
Carolina fans not crazy about the trade
https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/169069-panthers-trade-for-sam-darnold/#comments
Can't imagine why they don't want the guy who helped lead the Jets to the #2 pick.
Post by: reuben on April 05, 2021, 07:43:18 PM
Yes. They are. Sam is gone.
/discussion
Damn son, drop the mike why doncha
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 05, 2021, 07:46:12 PM
Damn son, drop the mike why donchaI was kind of hoping someone would close this thread at the time of the trade.
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2021, 07:59:08 PM
Carolina fans not crazy about the trade
https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/169069-panthers-trade-for-sam-darnold/#comments
I only know one Carolina fan and he has been hoping for this to happen for the last month (basically since Watson was no longer an option), so based upon my experience 100% of Panthers fans are pretty happy.
Post by: MBGreen on April 05, 2021, 08:08:01 PM
I only know one Carolina fan and he has been hoping for this to happen for the last month (basically since Watson was no longer an option), so based upon my experience 100% of Panthers fans are pretty happy.My cousin is a diehard Panthers fan...and he hates this trade. I've been revving him up for the last 2 hours.
Post by: Badger on April 05, 2021, 08:38:22 PM
I was kind of hoping someone would close this thread at the time of the trade.No because we're going to follow the rest of his career either out of spite or curiosity.
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2021, 02:07:47 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 30, 2021, 08:06:06 AM
@TomPelissero
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1m
The #Panthers picked up QB Sam Darnold's fifth-year option, as GM Scott Fitterer said they would after executing the trade.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2021, 08:07:10 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 30, 2021, 08:08:22 AM
Jaycee Horn is really going to help his development.
i'm fine with this....and so is the value of that 2nd round pick we got from them.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2021, 08:10:38 AM
i'm fine with this....and so is the value of that 2nd round pick we got from them.
I'm perfectly fine with the Panthers pulling up different players to give us a shot at AVT.
But Darnold has to be having flashbacks to MacCagnan.
Post by: MBGreen on April 30, 2021, 08:13:08 AM
I'm perfectly fine with the Panthers pulling up different players to give us a shot at AVT.
But Darnold has to be having flashbacks to MacCagnan.
Our AVT capital came from the Seattle trade.
the sexy picks from the Darnold trade are earmarked for 2022.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2021, 08:14:50 AM
Our AVT capital came from the Seattle trade.
the sexy picks from the Darnold trade are earmarked for 2022.
I meant in terms of letting AVT fall to a pick where we could afford to go get him.
Post by: MBGreen on April 30, 2021, 08:15:12 AM
I meant in terms of letting AVT fall to a pick where we could afford to go get him.
o i c
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2021, 09:17:20 AM
I'm perfectly fine with the Panthers pulling up different players to give us a shot at AVT.The Panthers have DJ Moore, Robby Anderson and Christian McCaffrey, and they have more picks today and tomorrow. And Joe Brady is coaching.
But Darnold has to be having flashbacks to MacCagnan.
If Darnold really needs more than that to not suck, maybe he just sucks.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2021, 09:28:53 AM
The Panthers have DJ Moore, Robby Anderson and Christian McCaffrey, and they have more picks today and tomorrow. And Joe Brady is coaching.
If Darnold really needs more than that to not suck, maybe he just sucks.
Either I was saying that or Russell Okung, Chris Reed, Matt Paridis, John Miller, and Taylor Morton as a unit seem to present a problem that Darnold might have experienced before.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2021, 10:06:39 AM
But I want Wilson to be better.
Post by: MBGreen on April 30, 2021, 10:28:28 AM
I'm really hoping Sam succeeds. My closest friend is a Panthers fan from NC.
But I want Wilson to be better.
I hope Sam takes a nosedive. Because i want our pick value to go up.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 30, 2021, 02:02:24 PM
I hope Sam takes a nosedive. Because i want our pick value to go up.
I get it, I just don't agree. I'm closer to JE. I didn't want to give up on Sam, and I think there's a lot of talent there.
But he's gone, and Wilson is here, so I want Zach to be better than Sam, but I liked and still like Darnold, so I'm rooting for him (and again, my buddy is a Carolina fan).
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2021, 02:30:21 PM
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2021, 04:03:31 PM
Now that The Darnold is here to Make the Jets Great Again, the biggest priority needs to be protecting our golden savior along the offensive line...
...We need to build a wall.
Post by: MBGreen on April 30, 2021, 04:05:37 PM
he died for Gase's sins.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 30, 2021, 04:10:25 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2021, 05:49:15 PM
Post by: reuben on April 30, 2021, 05:52:33 PM
Panthers waiting until today to pick up Darnold’s 5th year option, but passing on Fields means what? They would have taken Lance?
Maybe. Maybe they wanted people thinking they might take a quarterback so no one jumped them for Horn.
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2021, 10:40:55 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on May 01, 2021, 10:45:08 AM
To think, if Sam had simply won enough games so that we weren't picking 2nd overall then he'd be the recipient of all this support.
AND either a guy like Sewell or Chase or Pitts.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 06, 2021, 07:23:44 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 06, 2021, 07:33:37 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 06, 2021, 08:38:57 PM
Post by: Badger on May 06, 2021, 08:41:20 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 06, 2021, 10:37:29 PM
Did they ask Sam to design our draft hat before we traded him?It was designed by God
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2021, 05:02:16 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210517/c4fd28d39c6c9e2be3a353959557f7b9.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on May 17, 2021, 05:23:31 PM
JE 4 months from now:
Already got my new jersey for this season:
(https://i.imgur.com/jlhyHCa.jpg)
Post by: delavan on May 29, 2021, 04:55:40 PM
comb Bowell Doggins' breath right outta your head Sammy
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Don_Henley_%282088057840%29.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2021, 06:03:55 PM
comb Bowell Doggins' breath right outta your head SammyWtf is that?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Don_Henley_%282088057840%29.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2021, 08:12:17 PM
Wtf is that?
Looks like Dave Ellefson in a bad suit.
Post by: delavan on May 29, 2021, 08:14:59 PM
Wtf is that?(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Sam_darnold_2019.jpg/185px-Sam_darnold_2019.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 05, 2021, 07:14:09 PM
Lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2021, 02:59:46 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2021, 03:15:56 PM
Post by: Gorilla on June 09, 2021, 03:19:33 PM
https://twitter.com/analyticsplant/status/1402708687660060672?s=21
He's been slurping Josh Allen's magic ball-sweat.
It didn't prevent him from getting freaking mono like a bumbling teenager, but maybe it prevents Covid, WHO KNOWS, IM JUST ASKING QUESTIONS.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 09, 2021, 03:29:31 PM
https://twitter.com/kentweyrauch/status/1402705744684752896?s=21
ayyyy his body his choice amirite?!?!
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 09, 2021, 04:06:16 PM
ayyyy his body his choice amirite?!?!
Conflating this with a woman's right to choose is pretty abhorrent but pretty on brand for you
Post by: Johnny English on June 09, 2021, 04:44:18 PM
ayyyy his body his choice amirite?!?!
I might have slightly more sympathy with that idea (spoiler: I wouldn't, for obvious reasons) if I didn't consider it massively hypocritical of football players who are happy to get jacked up on all sorts of excrement they know nothing about as long as it's going to help them increase their personal gain, but far less willing when there's a public good to it. It's more annoying when it's from someone I like and thought was a good dude.
Still not as stupid as Montez Sweat though, so I guess he's got that going for him.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 09, 2021, 04:56:32 PM
Conflating this with a woman's right to choose is pretty abhorrent but pretty on brand for you
Yeah, I know hypocrites absolutely hate getting called out on the hypocrisy of their stupid freaking rhetoric.
As far as "on brand" blow me. How's that for on brand?
I might have slightly more sympathy with that idea (spoiler: I wouldn't, for obvious reasons) if I didn't consider it massively hypocritical of football players who are happy to get jacked up on all sorts of excrement they know nothing about as long as it's going to help them increase their personal gain, but far less willing when there's a public good to it. It's more annoying when it's from someone I like and thought was a good dude.
Still not as stupid as Montez Sweat though, so I guess he's got that going for him.
Now this is an intelligent answer, especially considering the amount of Toradol these guys take to function. One can still be a "good dude" without taking a vaccine that didn't undergo anywhere near the normal scrutiny a vaccine goes through before being released to the public, and I'm saying this as someone fully vaccinated with minimal side effects. Hey, while I have you, do you have 5 minutes to discuss with me all of the innovative and cutting edge products we're releasing at Microsoft?
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 09, 2021, 07:17:02 PM
Guess I'm taking USC off of my gradschool list.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 09, 2021, 09:22:49 PM
Guess I'm taking USC off of my gradschool list.
Huge loss, they'll never recover.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 09, 2021, 09:29:21 PM
That said, I put the odds of Wilson being vaccinated at about 25/75.
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 09, 2021, 09:47:05 PM
without taking a vaccine that didn't undergo anywhere near the normal scrutiny a vaccine goes through before being released to the public
this is false.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 09, 2021, 10:20:02 PM
That said, I put the odds of Wilson being vaccinated at about 25/75.
He attended the NFL Draft and sat in the vaccinated section at the Islanders games he attended.
Pretty sure he's vaccinated.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 09, 2021, 11:01:47 PM
this is false.
no it isn't.
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2021, 06:16:01 AM
He attended the NFL Draft and sat in the vaccinated section at the Islanders games he attended.Good detective work, Lou
Pretty sure he's vaccinated.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on June 10, 2021, 06:21:00 AM
no it isn't.
It is. The fact that it didn't take as long as a usual vaccine it's because a) the industry dedicated a lot more resources to it, b) they used previously existing technology on Coronavirus vaccines (SARS and MERS) to develop this one even if the technology is fairly new.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2021, 07:13:40 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 10, 2021, 08:26:41 AM
People who aren't doctors trying to explain medicine to the actual doctor is my favorite subplot on this board.On every board. All of a sudden everyone is an expert.
The biggest limiting factor has always been education in terms of who is getting vaccinated. People who are educated get the vaccine. People who are uneducated think they are smarter than the doctors. It is wild.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 10, 2021, 09:06:01 AM
It is. The fact that it didn't take as long as a usual vaccine it's because a) the industry dedicated a lot more resources to it, b) they used previously existing technology on Coronavirus vaccines (SARS and MERS) to develop this one even if the technology is fairly new.
Yes, the CDC emergent approval is so trustworthy after their active coverup of what actually happened. Or was this actually caused at a wet market?
But no, if anyone has our best interests at heart its big pharma. They're totally trustworthy in terms of rushing to develop a vaccine that was absolutely introduced while still in experimental status and would absolutely let everyone know if they skipped certain steps and trials (which is a virtual certainty given the fact that this was developed within a year whereas your normal vaccine takes about twenty).
People who aren't doctors trying to explain medicine to the actual doctor is my favorite subplot on this board.
Quoted for irony considering the amount of constitutional/criminal law scholars in other threads on the board. You only appeal to authority when it agrees with you. Or do you know more than the doctors that actively promoted hydroxychloroquine and were totally excrement on for it even though, low and behold, said treatment has been proven to increase the survival rate.
What will USC ever do without you.
On every board. All of a sudden everyone is an expert.
The biggest limiting factor has always been education in terms of who is getting vaccinated. People who are educated get the vaccine. People who are uneducated think they are smarter than the doctors. It is wild.
You guys are just the smartest, most educated guys in the room! Point of affection though considering, again, I got the vaccine.
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2021, 09:28:12 AM
On every board. All of a sudden everyone is an expert.Dunning-Kruger SZN
The biggest limiting factor has always been education in terms of who is getting vaccinated. People who are educated get the vaccine. People who are uneducated think they are smarter than the doctors. It is wild.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2021, 10:14:50 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 10, 2021, 10:38:26 AM
Im not saying I am the smartest person in the room but it has been shown that the biggest determining factor in getting vaccinated is education.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 10, 2021, 10:43:50 AM
I dont understand people who don't get vaccinated. I also don't get people who get vaccinated but junp at every opportunity to defend anti-vaxxers.
Im not saying I am the smartest person in the room but it has been shown that the biggest determining factor in getting vaccinated is education.
Frankly, I find it completely abhorrent that an individual medical decision, especially in light of the fact that the vaccine supposedly mitigates the concern of the vaccinated is being approached by both sides in the manner it is. It's nobodies fuckin business either way. Simple as that. Especially considering I'm vaccinated and we've been told said shot lessens the chances of serious symptoms by 93 percent and of death completely, I just don't care to police other people in terms of what they do or don't put into their body.
And before the obvious comparison which was already called "on brand" abortion's a different topic considering the life within, and I'm pro-choice so whatever lol.
Post by: Badger on October 25, 2021, 12:56:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 25, 2021, 12:58:32 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 25, 2021, 01:04:57 PM
Imagine thinking that anyone, Matt Rhule included, could undo the results of three years of shitty coaching in four months.How long does he get? I feel you'll just use this excuse in perpetuity until he retires.
Post by: Johnny English on October 25, 2021, 01:21:01 PM
How long does he get? I feel you'll just use this excuse in perpetuity until he retires.
More than 6 games.
I have no idea at this stage whether it's possible to unfuck him, although I think and hope it can be done. I'm not at all surprised that it hasn't happened yet though.
Post by: MBGreen on October 25, 2021, 01:23:27 PM
More than 6 games.
I have no idea at this stage whether it's possible to unfuck him, although I think and hope it can be done. I'm not at all surprised that it hasn't happened yet though.
It won't happen
Post by: Heismanberg on October 25, 2021, 04:26:04 PM
Imagine thinking that anyone, Matt Rhule included, could undo the results of three years of shitty coaching in four months.
Imagine thinking that Sam Darnold is still good
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2022, 10:34:21 AM
Not even listed
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2022, 10:37:21 AM
https://www.nj.com/sports/2022/01/ranking-nfls-best-young-quarterbacks-bengals-joe-burrow-no-1-how-high-is-eagles-jalen-hurts.html
Not even listed
and yet....still getting that sweet 2nd round pick for him. <3 Joe Douglas
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2022, 10:47:48 AM
https://www.nj.com/sports/2022/01/ranking-nfls-best-young-quarterbacks-bengals-joe-burrow-no-1-how-high-is-eagles-jalen-hurts.html
Not even listed
Neither is Faker.
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2022, 01:09:53 PM
Neither is Faker.Oh right. Though at least he's a little older so there's some justification for leaving him out of the group.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2022, 02:04:46 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2022, 02:06:57 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2022, 02:07:21 PM
Why is Justin Fields ranked ahead of Zach Wilson?#BLM
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2022, 02:18:21 PM
Oh right. Though at least he's a little older so there's some justification for leaving him out of the group.
Right. Hadn't noticed that it's 25 and under, Faker is 26.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 05, 2022, 02:24:12 PM
They've played in the same amount of games. Wilson has more passing yards and 3 more TDs.Wilson threw 93 more pass attempts than Fields did and only had 377 more passing yards, so that's misleading to say that. Wilson also started 2 more games.
Fields has a better QBR, passer rating, PFF grade (I think), completion percentage and yards per attempt. I don't think it's egregious to put Fields over Wilson for a neutral writer.
I will take Wilson over Fields going forward, especially given the recent strides Wilson has made, but statistically, it's close, if not a slight edge to Fields.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2022, 02:25:58 PM
Wilson threw 93 more pass attempts than Fields did and only had 377 more passing yards, so that's misleading to say that. Wilson also started 2 more games.
Fields has a better QBR, passer rating, PFF grade (I think), completion percentage and yards per attempt. I don't think it's egregious to put Fields over Wilson for a neutral writer.
I will take Wilson over Fields going forward, especially given the recent strides Wilson has made, but statistically, it's close, if not a slight edge to Fields.
clockwork
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2022, 02:27:25 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2022, 02:36:55 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 05, 2022, 02:41:01 PM
They're both rookies on shitty trams. Who cares?
They're both rookies on shitty trams. Who cares?Heismanberg gets upset anytime anyone has the gall to think Fields is at Wilson's level. It's pretty comical.
It's largely splitting hairs between which one has had a better rookie season, and it really doesn't matter.
If Lawrence were ahead of Wilson, then it would be worth noting because there's no way you can say Lawrence has been better than Wilson this year. Fields, whatever.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 05, 2022, 03:09:28 PM
https://twitter.com/PFF_Moo/status/1472963535261081600?s=20
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2022, 03:26:34 PM
Heismanberg gets upset anytime anyone has the gall to think Fields is at Wilson's level.
Stupidity is upsetting.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2022, 11:36:53 PM
Not my QB
Post by: delavan on January 06, 2022, 10:03:17 PM
https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1452416488980111360?s=21
Not my QB
the game was 'actually kind of slow'
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 10, 2022, 11:06:13 AM
Once he cleans up his turnovers, he'll be fine.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2022, 12:33:57 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2022, 02:55:57 PM
https://twitter.com/1pantherplace/status/1480604382681083905?s=21(https://c.tenor.com/T0U4HlpWdLcAAAAC/will-ferrell-georgebush.gif)
Post by: reuben on January 10, 2022, 03:02:10 PM
https://twitter.com/KeepBlitzin/status/1480549226635481096
Once he cleans up his turnovers, he'll be fine.
https://twitter.com/1pantherplace/status/1480604382681083905?s=21
Is it just me or do these two look like they've just stayed up all night doing blow?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2022, 03:19:22 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on January 10, 2022, 03:22:30 PM
Rhule looks like Rex Ryan with Down syndrome.
Panthers seem to be getting similar production to a Slim Rex with Down Syndrome
Post by: delavan on January 11, 2022, 07:40:20 PM
Rhule looks like Rex Ryan with Down syndrome.True
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Tyrannosaurus_Rex_colored.png/320px-Tyrannosaurus_Rex_colored.png)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/New_York_Jets_Head_Coach_Rex_Ryan_crop.jpg/180px-New_York_Jets_Head_Coach_Rex_Ryan_crop.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/2017-0718-Big12MD-MattRhule.jpg/240px-2017-0718-Big12MD-MattRhule.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Rex_Ryan_August_2016.jpg/142px-Rex_Ryan_August_2016.jpg)
Then again Rex often doesn't look like he's wrapped too tight either....
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Rex_Ryan_August_2016.jpg/284px-Rex_Ryan_August_2016.jpg)
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2022, 08:33:14 AM
https://nypost.com/2018/12/29/sam-darnolds-linemen-werent-impressed-by-his-christmas-gift/
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 15, 2022, 09:42:44 AM
I'm not sure I knew about this, from 2018
https://nypost.com/2018/12/29/sam-darnolds-linemen-werent-impressed-by-his-christmas-gift/
“We deserve more for getting you killed all season!”
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2022, 03:04:11 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 07, 2022, 10:26:45 PM
https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/07/panthers-qb-sam-darnold-value-combine/
JD god mode
Post by: Badger on November 27, 2022, 05:45:17 PM