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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: bojanglesman on March 18, 2018, 03:44:50 PM
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I know, polls are gay, but this is a big deal for our franchise. Pick the guy you think we'll end up with, not who we should take. Basically pretend it's Vegas.
And yes I've had some wine this afternoon.
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I love Mayfield but I would have been a lot more comfortable taking him had we not traded up.
Rosen has to be the guy at 3 if he's there. Hopefully the Giants either take Barkley or trade their pick to a team moving up for Allen.
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I love Mayfield but I would have been a lot more comfortable taking him had we not traded up.
Rosen has to be the guy at 3 if he's there. Hopefully the Giants either take Barkley or trade their pick to a team moving up for Allen.
I hope you're right.
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Rosen has to be the guy at 3 if he's there. Hopefully the Giants either take Barkley or trade their pick to a team moving up for Allen.
we're the team moving up for allen
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we're the team moving up for allen
Not if the Bills have anything to say about it.
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For the record, I'm not in the camp that thinks Allen will automatically be a bust. I just think that he has the highest bust probability of any of these guys, which is the reason why he'd be my fourth choice.
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we're the team moving up for allen
This has been haunting me all day, and will continue to do so until April 26th.
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This has been haunting me all day, and will continue to do so until April 26th.
I trust Bates too much for him to allow that. He doesn't want an inaccurate QB.
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I trust Bates too much for him to allow that. He doesn't want an inaccurate QB.
Bates may think he can coach him up....remember, he had Cutler.
I dont want allen...but we have to be prepared in case it happens
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The Browns could still take Allen
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The Browns could still take Allen
Agreed.
There are so many possible scenarios...we're gonna drive ourselves nuts for the next 6 weeks
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Agreed.
There are so many possible scenarios...we're gonna drive ourselves nuts for the next 6 weeks
But it’s soooooo much better doing this than if the Bills had made the move to 3 yesterday. We would be on the outside looking in and have no reasonable way to get a guy other than going to 2, and that would have cost us what we paid and then the 2019 first round pick as well.
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But it’s soooooo much better doing this than if the Bills had made the move to 3 yesterday. We would be on the outside looking in and have no reasonable way to get a guy other than going to 2, and that would have cost us what we paid and then the 2019 first round pick as well.
I agree with you...it was the right move. I just hope we didnt move up for josh allen
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the browns drafting josh allen at 1 will truly be a gift to our organization
i assume that just prior to the beginning of the draft we will find out who the browns are speaking to contractually RE the first overall pick if they've made their choice. the dominoes will fall where they fall after that and it all depends on the giants.
imagine the browns draft allen and the giants take saquon/nelson
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I think Darnold and Rosen go 1-2 and we take Mayfield at 3.
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The Browns could still take Allen
Please happen
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Bates may think he can coach him up....remember, he had Cutler.
I dont want allen...but we have to be prepared in case it happens
Many NFL level coaches are egomaniacs that think they can shine turds into diamonds.
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I think from a probability standpoint Allen has to be the most likely guy.
Although hes certainly not the preferred one
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I think the Jets take Josh Allen because I think he fits the Maccagnan typecast, and I think Darnold and Rosen will be 1-2 with the Giants trading down. Plus, with the McCown and Bridgewater signings, it shows the Jets aren't looking to play the rookie early. Josh Allen is probably the one with the farthest to go to become starter-worthy. But that's almost entirely based on him drafting Petty and Hackenberg, and it's purely a guess. Bridgewater isn't that type of QB, but I think that's just Maccagnan trying to buy low and fill out the QB room at the same time.
Allen is the one I want least just because guys with his statistical profile usually fail, and his tape is more bad than good.
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I chose Josh Allen in the poll.
I think there are too many scenarios pointing to the fact that Darnold and Rosen are going 1-2 regardless of the teams involved, and i don't see Duff trading up to the 3 spot for a 6 ft QB (although, i believe he should take Mayfield over Allen).
Also, we were lucky the previous 2 years when both the Big Cat and Jamal Adams fell into our laps....i can't see it happening a 3rd year in a row.
As always, i'll hope for the best, but also prepare for the worst.
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I'm the same, hoping for Darnold, expecting Allen.
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what exactly is the mac typecast, big inaccurate dudes that no one else thinks are good?
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If we gave up that much to draft Josh Allen, Mac should just see himself out.
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If we gave up that much to draft Josh Allen, Mac should just see himself out.
This.
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i hate to say it guys but Allen is the feeling im getting here.
1. Darnold 2. Rosen 3. Allen
hard to see the subdued personalities of Mac and Bowles watching Mayfields arrest and thinking "weve gotta get this kid in the building" lol
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for the record I actually like Mayfield on the field lol.
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Worst possibility ever:
1. Browns take Rosen
2. Jets trade up one spot with Giants to get their guy at QB, give up their #3 pick plus 3rd and 4th this year, 3rd next year. Draft Josh Allen.
3. Giants trade back again with Denver, Denver gives their #5 pick, 2nd round pick this year and 1st next year. Draft Sam Darnold.
4. Cleveland takes Quinton Nelson.
5. Giants take Saquon Barkley after aquiring another 2nd, 3rd and 4th this year, and another 1st and 3rd next year.
6. Bills trade up to 6 for Mayfield.
Jets end up with Josh Allen and no picks until the 5th round.
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Worst possibility ever:
1. Browns take Rosen
2. Jets trade up one spot with Giants to get their guy at QB, give up their #3 pick plus 3rd and 4th this year, 3rd next year. Draft Josh Allen.
3. Giants trade back again with Denver, Denver gives their #5 pick, 2nd round pick this year and 1st next year. Draft Sam Darnold.
4. Cleveland takes Quinton Nelson.
5. Giants take Saquon Barkley after aquiring another 2nd, 3rd and 4th this year, and another 1st and 3rd next year.
6. Bills trade up to 6 for Mayfield.
Jets end up with Josh Allen and no picks until the 5th round.
I don't think this is realistic. I mean the Jets "preferring" Allen is plausible. But the Jets willing to trade up to get Allen when they're guaranteed Allen or Darnold at 3 makes zero sense.
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Worst possibility ever:
1. Browns take Rosen
2. Jets trade up one spot with Giants to get their guy at QB, give up their #3 pick plus 3rd and 4th this year, 3rd next year. Draft Josh Allen.
3. Giants trade back again with Denver, Denver gives their #5 pick, 2nd round pick this year and 1st next year. Draft Sam Darnold.
4. Cleveland takes Quinton Nelson.
5. Giants take Saquon Barkley after aquiring another 2nd, 3rd and 4th this year, and another 1st and 3rd next year.
6. Bills trade up to 6 for Mayfield.
Jets end up with Josh Allen and no picks until the 5th round.
i think soxxxx hacked Bo's account.
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I don't think this is realistic. I mean the Jets "preferring" Allen is plausible. But the Jets willing to trade up to get Allen when they're guaranteed Allen or Darnold at 3 makes zero sense.
Agreed but to be fair, that is the worst possibility.
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For the millonth time, I think that the Allen thing is a smokescreen. Now that we've traded up to #3, if the Bills think that either us or Cleveland are high on Allen then they might focus more on trading up to #4 than #2 - it will cost them less and the Browns might be more inclined to trade #4 than the Giants are #2.
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For the millonth time, I think that the Allen thing is a smokescreen. Now that we've traded up to #3, if the Bills think that either us or Cleveland are high on Allen then they might focus more on trading up to #4 than #2 - it will cost them less and the Browns might be more inclined to trade #4 than the Giants are #2.
it's not a smokescreen if Darnold/Rosen go 1 and 2. Which is very likely.
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For the millonth time, I think that the Allen thing is a smokescreen. Now that we've traded up to #3, if the Bills think that either us or Cleveland are high on Allen then they might focus more on trading up to #4 than #2 - it will cost them less and the Browns might be more inclined to trade #4 than the Giants are #2.
Yeah it really doesn't make sense that it's a smokescreen. The only way you give up 3 2nd round picks is if you like all 3 QB's, or 2 QB's and a franchise altering player. Unless were smitten with Barkley or Mayfield or something, you have to think the Jets are extremely high on Allen
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I don't know what Duff has in his head.
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I don't know what Duff has in his head.
coffee
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Best case scenario: Browns take Allen. Giants take Barkley.
What should the Jets do?
I'd say Maccagnan should push people out of the way and run towards the podium to select Darnold.
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Best case scenario: Browns take Allen. Giants take Barkley.
What should the Jets do?
I'd say Maccagnan should push people out of the way and run towards the podium to select Darnold.
You described the scenario if the football gods favored us.
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For the millonth time, I think that the Allen thing is a smokescreen. Now that we've traded up to #3, if the Bills think that either us or Cleveland are high on Allen then they might focus more on trading up to #4 than #2 - it will cost them less and the Browns might be more inclined to trade #4 than the Giants are #2.
So the smokescreen is the Jets like Mayfield and not Allen? Because none of this makes sense if they don’t like 3 QBs
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We really need Gettleman to fall in love with Barkley or Nelson. That's the only way we'll land Darnold or Rosen, barring another trade up (which i'm opposed to).
Any hype for Josh Allen has to be a smokescreen. I can't see Buffalo or any team wanting to trade up to #2 or #1 for Josh Allen.
EDIT: if Allen was Duff's target all along and we traded up to get him, his house should be burned to the ground.
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But it’s soooooo much better doing this than if the Bills had made the move to 3 yesterday. We would be on the outside looking in and have no reasonable way to get a guy other than going to 2, and that would have cost us what we paid and then the 2019 first round pick as well.
This. I don't know which guy is best or which guy we want, but it's obvious they knew they weren't getting him at #6. The question is do they get him at #3, but the move had to be made and we didn't give up a future #1.
Also, I didn't answer the poll because polls are gay.
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First of all, i rarely post and i know that, but this place is great and is an oasis among typical Jet fan/football fan/ human beings in general forums.
I’m in the camp that thinks that Darnold, Rosen, Allen are Duff’s targets. I wouldnt mind Mayfield, of course, but teams normally don’t trade into the top 3 for a 6’ qb.
Allen’s inaccuracy is an obvious reddest of red flags, but he legitimately has uncommon upside and seems like a pretty awesome, coaxhable kid.
To be clear, i will be disappointed if we don’t get Darnold or Rosen, who are blue-chip elite prospects imo, and better than any qb prospects in the past couple of drafts.
My gut is that Allen goes number one (50/50 chance at least, with Darnold the other option).
So i voted Rosen.
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So the smokescreen is the Jets like Mayfield and not Allen? Because none of this makes sense if they don’t like 3 QBs
Right, but let's say the thinking is this:
- We'd love to have Darnold or Rosen
- We'd be happy to take Mayfield
If you're not the Giants or Browns, and you want a QB, you're hoping that someone is going to fall to you. If you want that to happen, you need to make the other teams wanting QBs think that you're in love with someone they don't want, thus you need to sow a narrative.
If you're Dorsey and you want Barkley plus a QB, you tell everyone you love Allen. That means that if you're Denver you can assume that Mayfield is falling to 5, and you think twice about giving up a bunch of stuff to get to 2 or 3.
If you're Maccagnan and you want Darnold or Rosen, you need the Browns and Giants to stand pat and keep your fingers crossed that one of them doesn't take a QB (because obviously anyone trading up into their spots would be doing so for Darnold or Rosen). So you make everyone think that Allen's your guy, because then if I'm Denver or Buffalo I might think that #4 is going to have Mayfield available and again, I don't have to offer a king's ransom to get to #1 or #2.
I just don't buy that so many teams are in love with Allen when there are so many reasons not to be. Someone may prove me a fool on draft day, but I'm convinced that he's the guy everyone's talking about and no one really wants.
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Right, but let's say the thinking is this:
- We'd love to have Darnold or Rosen
- We'd be happy to take Mayfield
If you're not the Giants or Browns, and you want a QB, you're hoping that someone is going to fall to you. If you want that to happen, you need to make the other teams wanting QBs think that you're in love with someone they don't want, thus you need to sow a narrative.
If you're Dorsey and you want Barkley plus a QB, you tell everyone you love Allen. That means that if you're Denver you can assume that Mayfield is falling to 5, and you think twice about giving up a bunch of stuff to get to 2 or 3.
If you're Maccagnan and you want Darnold or Rosen, you need the Browns and Giants to stand pat and keep your fingers crossed that one of them doesn't take a QB (because obviously anyone trading up into their spots would be doing so for Darnold or Rosen). So you make everyone think that Allen's your guy, because then if I'm Denver or Buffalo I might think that #4 is going to have Mayfield available and again, I don't have to offer a king's ransom to get to #1 or #2.
I just don't buy that so many teams are in love with Allen when there are so many reasons not to be. Someone may prove me a fool on draft day, but I'm convinced that he's the guy everyone's talking about and no one really wants.
I totally get the logic and don’t disagree with what you’re saying.
If Darnold and Rosen go 1-2, how confident are you that Mayfield is the pick over Allen? At this point in the process, I can’t say I’m any more confident than 50-50. It doesn’t help that just about every piece of news we hear from now to the draft will be misleading, made-up garbage rumors.
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I totally get the logic and don’t disagree with what you’re saying.
If Darnold and Rosen go 1-2, how confident are you that Mayfield is the pick over Allen? At this point in the process, I can’t say I’m any more confident than 50-50. It doesn’t help that just about every piece of news we hear from now to the draft will be misleading, made-up garbage rumors.
That is basically the crux of our draft dilemma.
I really wish i didn't know that Duff spent significant time scouting Allen during the season last fall.
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That is basically the crux of our draft dilemma.
I really wish i didn't know that Duff spent significant time scouting Allen during the season last fall.
That doesn't necessarily mean he wants him, it means he wanted to know as much about him as possible. The other guys were on national TV every week.
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This will be the first QB Bates has a say in. Duff would be a fool not to go with the guy Bates wants. I'll trust that. I don't know if I'd trust Duff to get it right on his own. I trust Bates.
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I totally get the logic and don’t disagree with what you’re saying.
If Darnold and Rosen go 1-2, how confident are you that Mayfield is the pick over Allen? At this point in the process, I can’t say I’m any more confident than 50-50. It doesn’t help that just about every piece of news we hear from now to the draft will be misleading, made-up garbage rumors.
Not confident at all. It is quite possible that Allen is Maccagnan's third choice and that we'll end up with him, and if we do then I won't have too much trouble convincing myself that it's going to work out fine. After all I thought that Mark Sanchez had the makings of a franchise passer, that Carson Wentz was going to be a flop and that Hackenberg could turn into a gem (I'm still not convinced that's wrong, BTW), so it's not like I should be putting any faith into my ability to judge QBs.
Still, I don't think Allen is anyone's number one pick.
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That is basically the crux of our draft dilemma.
I really wish i didn't know that Duff spent significant time scouting Allen during the season last fall.
But the team also spent the most time with Baker Mayfield out of any team, and any prospect. I also think its worth noting that the Broncos were reportedly very interested in Mayfield, and I'm sure the Jets felt threatened by them.
I personally don't see why a team would meet with a player 4 times, more than of the other QBs in this class combined, and then not be at all interested in him when they actually trade up. They also traded up after his pro-day, and before Allen's.
Everyone was deadset on Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield being the Jets top 3 QBs until Cimini "reported" that it was Allen instead of Mayfield.... but do we really believe that such a significant piece of information was leaked by a regime that has been extremely tight-lipped. The trade with the Colts wasn't even leaked as a possibility until it actually happened. Now, 6 weeks before the draft, they divulge their top 3 QBs? Eh.
I also think that because this is the Jets, we all assume the worst, and therefore talk ourselves into Allen being their guy simply because we are used to failure.
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But the team also spent the most time with Baker Mayfield out of any team, and any prospect. I also think its worth noting that the Broncos were reportedly very interested in Mayfield, and I'm sure the Jets felt threatened by them.
I personally don't see why a team would meet with a player 4 times, more than of the other QBs in this class combined, and then not be at all interested in him when they actually trade up. They also traded up after his pro-day, and before Allen's.
Everyone was deadset on Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield being the Jets top 3 QBs until Cimini "reported" that it was Allen instead of Mayfield.... but do we really believe that such a significant piece of information was leaked by a regime that has been extremely tight-lipped. The trade with the Colts wasn't even leaked as a possibility until it actually happened. Now, 6 weeks before the draft, they divulge their top 3 QBs? Eh.
I also think that because this is the Jets, we all assume the worst, and therefore talk ourselves into Allen being their guy simply because we are used to failure.
https://mobile.twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-38537399983030747227.ampproject.net%2F1520462477230%2Fframe.html
Just heard from a league source that the New York #Jets love Josh Allen. Wyoming source told me they've done the most work on him.
Nov 16, 2017
Just one source, but the rumors that Duff likes Allen have been circulating since last fall.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-38537399983030747227.ampproject.net%2F1520462477230%2Fframe.html
Nov 16, 2017
Just one source, but the rumors that Duff likes Allen have been circulating since last fall.
the threat is real...smokescreens yada yada yada and everything in between.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/931206641860665345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-38537399983030747227.ampproject.net%2F1520462477230%2Fframe.html
Nov 16, 2017
Just one source, but the rumors that Duff likes Allen have been circulating since last fall.
Yeah I definitely remember those rumors from the fall... But gathering info and watching games is due diligence, not necessarily real interest in drafting him. Things also change between the fall, and now. Everyone was intrigued by Josh Allen at the start of last year, and Mayfield was a mid-round pick. I'm skeptical of their interest in Allen for now. Everything the past couple of months haven't indicated they view Allen over Mayfield.
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Yeah I definitely remember those rumors from the fall... But gathering info and watching games is due diligence, not necessarily real interest in drafting him. Things also change between the fall, and now. Everyone was intrigued by Josh Allen at the start of last year, and Mayfield was a mid-round pick. I'm skeptical of their interest in Allen for now. Everything the past couple of months haven't indicated they view Allen over Mayfield.
Yeah cuz it’s a smokescreen
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Yeah cuz it’s a smokescreen
I'm used to dealing with smokescreens in April. I hate that it's only March 19th.
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with all the noise about how bates wants to have that run heavy zone blocking shannahan type offense, is it that inconceivable for him to be interested in josh allen throwing million yard passes on play action in a few years when they're able to build the kind of offensive line they want?
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with all the noise about how bates wants to have that run heavy zone blocking shannahan type offense, is it that inconceivable for him to be interested in josh allen throwing million yard passes on play action in a few years when they're able to build the kind of offensive line they want?
I would say Bates' system would put a high watermark on accuracy as opposed to the deep ball....which gives me a little hope that all the interest in Allen is indeed a smokescreen.
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I would say Bates' system would put a high watermark on accuracy as opposed to the deep ball....which gives me a little hope that all the interest in Allen is indeed a smokescreen.
The only relatively feasible way the interest in Allen is a smokescreen, is if we have Mayfield rated as the 3rd best QB and worthy of the 6th pick and 3 2nd rounders.
But if that were the case, why feign interest in Allen at all? When there's no way Mayfield is going in the top 2.
I think the most likely scenario is the Jets like Allen. And this has nothing to do with rumors and sources, just basic deductive reasoning based on what the Jets traded to move up to the 3rd pick.
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The only relatively feasible way the interest in Allen is a smokescreen, is if we have Mayfield rated as the 3rd best QB and worthy of the 6th pick and 3 2nd rounders.
But if that were the case, why feign interest in Allen at all? When there's no way Mayfield is going in the top 2.
I think the most likely scenario is the Jets like Allen. And this has nothing to do with rumors and sources, just basic deductive reasoning based on what the Jets traded to move up to the 3rd pick.
I said it once, i'll say it again. If we traded up for Allen, Duff should be thrown off the nearest bridge.
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The only relatively feasible way the interest in Allen is a smokescreen, is if we have Mayfield rated as the 3rd best QB and worthy of the 6th pick and 3 2nd rounders.
But if that were the case, why feign interest in Allen at all? When there's no way Mayfield is going in the top 2.
I think the most likely scenario is the Jets like Allen. And this has nothing to do with rumors and sources, just basic deductive reasoning based on what the Jets traded to move up to the 3rd pick.
Because like I said - if the Broncos or Bills want Mayfield, and they think that we're taking Allen, the highest they have to get for him is #4. They might very well prefer Darnold or Rosen, but don't consider the extra cost of getting to #2 to be worth paying versus getting to #4 or in Denver's case sitting pat at #5 and taking Mayfield.
They might not bite. They probably wouldn't. But it does absolutely no harm to try, because if they do and then one of Cleveland and the Giants doesn't take a QB we're laughing. We do not want someone to trade up in front of us because that guarantees that two QBs are going ahead of us.
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I would say Bates' system would put a high watermark on accuracy as opposed to the deep ball....which gives me a little hope that all the interest in Allen is indeed a smokescreen.
I mean people love to say the phrase west coast offense, but it sounds like they're interested in the whole ground and pound thing more than anything.
just saying, if that's the kind of offense he wants it's not inconceivable for them to take a risk on allen, if he's a one trick pony they can make good use of that trick
I want Rosen like everyone else in the world
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I said it once, i'll say it again. If we traded up for Allen, Duff should be thrown off the nearest bridge.
Well it doesn't mean that we traded up for Allen, as there's a completely viable possibility that we get Rosen (and an outside chance at Darnold)
But I think it's a near certainty that we traded up being content with the possibility of getting Josh Allen for the 6th pick and 3 2nds. Unless we're enamored with Mayfield, which makes things make a lot less sense
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I mean people love to say the phrase west coast offense, but it sounds like they're interested in the whole ground and pound thing more than anything.
just saying, if that's the kind of offense he wants it's not inconceivable for them to take a risk on allen, if he's a one trick pony they can make good use of that trick
I want Rosen like everyone else in the world
that's all Bowles. He wants to run the ball and control the clock...even though he's complete moron when it comes to the latter.
IMO, we should have a healthy balance of run and pass plays, and adjust according to how the game flow is going.
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I'd like a freaking accurate QB for once.
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Well it doesn't mean that we traded up for Allen, as there's a completely viable possibility that we get Rosen (and an outside chance at Darnold)
But I think it's a near certainty that we traded up being content with the possibility of getting Josh Allen for the 6th pick and 3 2nds. Unless we're enamored with Mayfield, which makes things make a lot less sense
If we were dead set on getting Darnold or Rosen, Duff would've completed the deal to move up to 1.
Being content with Allen as a contingency if Darnold/Rosen go 1 and 2, is just as bad as trading up for him. He should've stayed at 6.
Now...if Mayfield is the 3rd QB on Duff's board, then i love the move. I just don't think he traded up for the possibility of drafting a 6' QB.
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Has there even been any recent noise regarding Allen? I don't recall hearing any.
Maccagnan paying a lot of attention to Allen back in November has no relevance today. Maybe Morton liked Allen? He's no longer with the organization. Bates should be in the driver's seat right now, in terms of the pick.
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that's all Bowles. He wants to run the ball and control the clock...even though he's complete moron when it comes to the latter.
IMO, we should have a healthy balance of run and pass plays, and adjust according to how the game flow is going.
I feel like I've read about 8 articles saying that Bates' wet dream is the whole run heavy zone blocking 1,000 yard JAG Shanahan thing.
but really i'm probably just mentally preparing myself to try and be annoyingly optimistic if the jets end up with allen
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If we were dead set on getting Darnold or Rosen, Duff would've completed the deal to move up to 1.
Completed what deal? Were Cleveland willing to trade? I imagine that the conversation went something like:
"Hi John, what do you want for the first pick?"
"Not for sale, but I'll talk you about #4."
"We'll get back to you....."
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Because like I said - if the Broncos or Bills want Mayfield, and they think that we're taking Allen, the highest they have to get for him is #4. They might very well prefer Darnold or Rosen, but don't consider the extra cost of getting to #2 to be worth paying versus getting to #4 or in Denver's case sitting pat at #5 and taking Mayfield.
They might not bite. They probably wouldn't. But it does absolutely no harm to try, because if they do and then one of Cleveland and the Giants doesn't take a QB we're laughing. We do not want someone to trade up in front of us because that guarantees that two QBs are going ahead of us.
But this doesn't make sense. If those teams thought we wanted Mayfield it wouldn't change anything.
I'm pretty sure nobody has Mayfield rated as highly as Darnold and Rosen, and that's the only way this scenario makes sense. So would anybody be worried about Denver or Bills trading up to #2 and drafting Mayfield? I don't think anybody could see that happening, and if they did it would guarantee us either Rosen or Darnold at 3
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The only relatively feasible way the interest in Allen is a smokescreen, is if we have Mayfield rated as the 3rd best QB and worthy of the 6th pick and 3 2nd rounders.
But if that were the case, why feign interest in Allen at all? When there's no way Mayfield is going in the top 2.
I think the most likely scenario is the Jets like Allen. And this has nothing to do with rumors and sources, just basic deductive reasoning based on what the Jets traded to move up to the 3rd pick.
They haven't really showed much interest in Allen since the fall though... Its not like they have even interviewed him. Duff went to a Wyoming game in November, and then someone at Wyoming said the Jets were doing their homework on him. That's really it.
What does the amount of what we traded have anything to do with who we will select? Absolutely nothing. If they think Mayfield is a franchise QB, then there's no reason why they wouldn't trade what they did for the 3rd pick. Why is it inconceivable that they have Mayfield as the 3rd best QB? Almost everyone does...
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Completed what deal? Were Cleveland willing to trade? I imagine that the conversation went something like:
"Hi John, what do you want for the first pick?"
"Not for sale, but I'll talk you about #4."
"We'll get back to you....."
The Jets and Browns discussed a trade up to 1, but i believe the price was too high.
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But this doesn't make sense. If those teams thought we wanted Mayfield it wouldn't change anything.
I'm pretty sure nobody has Mayfield rated as highly as Darnold and Rosen, and that's the only way this scenario makes sense. So would anybody be worried about Denver or Bills trading up to #2 and drafting Mayfield? I don't think anybody could see that happening, and if they did it would guarantee us either Rosen or Darnold at 3
There are people who rate Mayfield over Rosen... Albeit Rosen's big detractor being his health, but still. I think you are completely dismissing Mayfield's ability for some reason.
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PFF has Mayfield as the #1 QB overall. Lol.
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But this doesn't make sense. If those teams thought we wanted Mayfield it wouldn't change anything.
I'm pretty sure nobody has Mayfield rated as highly as Darnold and Rosen, and that's the only way this scenario makes sense. So would anybody be worried about Denver or Bills trading up to #2 and drafting Mayfield? I don't think anybody could see that happening, and if they did it would guarantee us either Rosen or Darnold at 3
Pay attention. If they think Allen is our guy, the worst case scenario for them at 4/5 is Mayfield and there's even an outside shot at Darnold. That reduces the motivation to trade into the 1 or 2, which is a good thing as far as we're concerned.
The more I think about it, the more I think Buffalo are out of the reckoning. Dorsey and Gettleman are both in their first draft with their current teams - if they trade out to #12 and then get a bust while the Bills draft an elite starter, they'll be the guys who screwed their teams. Cleveland have a terrible record of trading down. I think those two teams use their picks - the only trade I can see is the Giants trading #2 to us or Denver.
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Pay attention. If they think Allen is our guy, the worst case scenario for them at 4/5 is Mayfield and there's even an outside shot at Darnold. That reduces the motivation to trade into the 1 or 2, which is a good thing as far as we're concerned.
The more I think about it, the more I think Buffalo are out of the reckoning. Dorsey and Gettleman are both in their first draft with their current teams - if they trade out to #12 and then get a bust while the Bills draft an elite starter, they'll be the guys who screwed their teams. Cleveland have a terrible record of trading down. I think those two teams use their picks - the only trade I can see is the Giants trading #2 to us or Denver.
But he same argument applies to Baker as it does Allen. If we are leaking we want Allen, when we really want Mayfield as option 3, then someone trading up ahead of us is going to take Rosen or Darnold not Mayfield or Allen. So whichever guy we would “accept” at 3 is still there.
I think the argument is this, we want someone to trade up ahead of us for Allen. We know that no one is going to trade ahead of us for Mayfield. He may be too “limited” by his height. However if we leak that we want Allen, someone could conceivably be interested in him to move up and take him. If that happens that forces either Darnold or Rosen into our lap, which is what we want.
I don’t think the only team that might be into Allen is going to move up (Bills), because they can’t afford it.
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i don't know who duff likes more between mayfield and allen
i just know that he would definitely see the #3 pick as a reasonable spot to draft somebody like allen. 2nd round picks are picks where you can draft legit, bona-fide, pro level talents, and he had no problem throwing that away by drafting a shithouse of a project in hackenberg.
they may have similar floors, but allen has a different level of talent and higher potential/a higher ceiling than hackenberg does, and he made this move to draft a QB, with mccown and bridgewater ready on the roster, so he is willing to wait again. based on his past actions alone i don't see how you can say that allen isn't a possibility for us at #3
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But he same argument applies to Baker as it does Allen. If we are leaking we want Allen, when we really want Mayfield as option 3, then someone trading up ahead of us is going to take Rosen or Darnold not Mayfield or Allen. So whichever guy we would “accept” at 3 is still there.
I think the argument is this, we want someone to trade up ahead of us for Allen. We know that no one is going to trade ahead of us for Mayfield. He may be too “limited” by his height. However if we leak that we want Allen, someone could conceivably be interested in him to move up and take him. If that happens that forces either Darnold or Rosen into our lap, which is what we want.
I don’t think the only team that might be into Allen is going to move up (Bills), because they can’t afford it.
No, my argument is that if we accept a pecking order of
1= Rosen
1= Darnold
3 Mayfield
4 Allen
and if I can convince you that I'm taking Allen at #3, you're potentially going to think that the price to move up to #2 to get Rosen or Darnold isn't worth paying when you can trade into #4 or sit tight at #5 and get Mayfield. That's the whole point of getting Dick and his cabal of cronies to talk about how we're in love with Allen - to get others to base their draft strategy on that particular fallacy.
This front office doesn't have leaks. No one has had a clue about any of our big moves before we've made them, so the idea that Dick Cimini knows our favourite QB in the upcoming draft is a bit daft. The only way he knows anything is if he's been told something that they want him to report.
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i don't see how you can say that allen isn't a possibility for us at #3
I agree. Who has said that?
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I agree. Who has said that?
that wasn't directed at you, it was more at the general idea that allen isn't on the table for us at #3. it actually wasn't specifically aimed at anybody at all
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Macc is a smart GM. Hack was a bad miss but that’s just one player. He’s well aware of how big of a risk Allen is, how much the fan base likes Mayfield, and how much is riding on this pick. I’m still going to be shitting my pants until they announce the pick.
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No, my argument is that if we accept a pecking order of
1= Rosen
1= Darnold
3 Mayfield
4 Allen
and if I can convince you that I'm taking Allen at #3, you're potentially going to think that the price to move up to #2 to get Rosen or Darnold isn't worth paying when you can trade into #4 or sit tight at #5 and get Mayfield. That's the whole point of getting Dick and his cabal of cronies to talk about how we're in love with Allen - to get others to base their draft strategy on that particular fallacy.
This front office doesn't have leaks. No one has had a clue about any of our big moves before we've made them, so the idea that Dick Cimini knows our favourite QB in the upcoming draft is a bit daft. The only way he knows anything is if he's been told something that they want him to report.
I don't get this logic
First I think we can all generally agree with your pecking order.
Unless you're saying teams think that Mayfield will be available at 4/5,so they won't trade up to 1/2, making it harder for the giants to trade out of #2, increasing the chances that either Darnold or Rosen falls to us at #3?
Seems like a bit of a stretch
And I don't think Cimini or anyone has said the Jets love Allen. Rather the Jets wouldn't trade up to #3 unless they loved 3 QB's. And a lot of the media guys are ranking Rosen Allen and Darnold as those top 3
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I don't get this logic
First I think we can all generally agree with your pecking order.
Unless you're saying teams think that Mayfield will be available at 4/5,so they won't trade up to 1/2, making it harder for the giants to trade out of #2, increasing the chances that either Darnold or Rosen falls to us at #3?
Seems like a bit of a stretch
And I don't think Cimini or anyone has said the Jets love Allen. Rather the Jets wouldn't trade up to #3 unless they loved 3 QB's. And a lot of the media guys are ranking Rosen Allen and Darnold as those top 3
Of course it's a bit of stretch, but it costs us nothing to do and has an outside possibility of having an effect. Anything you can do to reduce the value of a trade up, or more accurately increase the potential value gained by not trading up, can increase the chances of one of the big two getting to the #3 spot.
I 100% do not believe that the Browns will give up the #1 and I 85% believe that the Giants will only give up the #2 to us or maybe Denver. If my highly scientific and statistically calculated percentages are correct, and I think we can all agree that they are, then anything we can do to close that final 15% gap is worth doing.
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JE wins
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No, my argument is that if we accept a pecking order of
1= Rosen
1= Darnold
3 Mayfield
4 Allen
and if I can convince you that I'm taking Allen at #3, you're potentially going to think that the price to move up to #2 to get Rosen or Darnold isn't worth paying when you can trade into #4 or sit tight at #5 and get Mayfield. That's the whole point of getting Dick and his cabal of cronies to talk about how we're in love with Allen - to get others to base their draft strategy on that particular fallacy.
This front office doesn't have leaks. No one has had a clue about any of our big moves before we've made them, so the idea that Dick Cimini knows our favourite QB in the upcoming draft is a bit daft. The only way he knows anything is if he's been told something that they want him to report.
No I got it. I was saying you could make the same argument if we wanted Allen, we could do the reverse (of what you are saying for Mayfield). I was just positing an alternative reason for telling people it’s Allen. I absolutely agree the only way this info is out there is because we want it out there. Say what you want about Duff and Bowles regime, but leaks isn’t something we’ve ever seen from them
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I agree with JE's assessment... and the fact that Cimini was fed this info regarding Allen over Mayfield (or he's basing it off of an old rumor from November).
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We're going to drive ourselves nuts speculating about this for the next 38 days.
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My gut tells me it's Rosen.
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I just can't get behind Rosen. The injury history makes me too nervous.
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I just can't get behind Rosen. The injury history makes me too nervous.
Which is why the Browns will take Barkley, the Giants will take Nelson and we get Sam I Am Darnold.
Rosens injuries scares me, but if he has a clean bill of health he's as good a QB as any we could have snagged the past few years. That said I'd rather gamble on him staying healthy than taking Allen and expecting him to learn how to become accurate
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Which is why the Browns will take Barkley, the Giants will take Nelson and we get Sam I Am Darnold.
Rosens injuries scares me, but if he has a clean bill of health he's as good a QB as any we could have snagged the past few years. That said I'd rather gamble on him staying healthy than taking Allen and expecting him to learn how to become accurate
Allen's just completely out of the picture for me. I'd prefer we take Lamar Jackson over Allen.
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Allen is Hackenface 2.0
No thank you.
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Positives: If we draft Allen, we can either succeed or track down Hobbes and laugh at him mercilessly.
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Allen is Hackenface 2.0
I keep seeing this, but I don't really understand that comparison.
There are accuracy issues, but they are happening for different reasons.
Allen shouldn't play right away, but no one should expect that from him.
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Allen shouldn't play right away, but no one should expect that from him.
How about the first two years? Take a snap before year 3?
Asking for a friend.
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How about the first two years? Take a snap before year 3?
Asking for a friend.
I would think he could start year 2. He's not as big of a project as Hackenberg. Hackenberg needed to be reprogrammed mentally, and fix footwork issues. Allen isn't fucked up mentally like Hackenberg was.
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I would think he could start year 2. He's not as big of a project as Hackenberg. Hackenberg needed to be reprogrammed mentally, and fix footwork issues. Allen isn't fucked up mentally like Hackenberg was.
It sounds like you're talking about a child abuse survivor
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It sounds like you're talking about a child abuse survivor
*insert Penn State joke here*
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Good read.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/65zs0w/oc_why_585_is_the_magic_number_for_qbs_in_the_nfl/
Another reason to say no thank you to Allen.
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None of those guys are even close to being as talented as Allen
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None of those guys are even close to being as talented as Allen
Dude you're going full kool-aid. Come back to the light.
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Dude you're going full kool-aid. Come back to the light.
Craig Krenzel is part of that list.
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Good read.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/65zs0w/oc_why_585_is_the_magic_number_for_qbs_in_the_nfl/
Another reason to say no thank you to Allen.
Brett Favre's highest completion percentage in four seasons at college was 55.8%, his last season was 54.5%.
Tim Tebow's lowest completion percentage in four seasons at college was 64.4%, his last season was 67.8%.
Joe Montana's highest completion percentage in three seasons at college was 54.2%, also his last season.
JaMarcus Russell's highest completion percentage in three seasons at college was 67.8%, also his last season.
Using your guy's system we're going to to take Tebow and Russell over Favre and Young. Cherrypicking stats is fun.
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Geno Smith had a career completion percentage of 67%. It was over 70% during his final year at WVU.
Because he played in a system that inflated that stat and many others.
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Craig Krenzel is part of that list.
Yeah man. It's a diverse list of excrement NFL quarterbacks all linked by one stat: Josh Allen's completion percentage.
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Geno Smith had a career completion percentage of 67%. It was over 70% during his final year at WVU.
Because he played in a system that inflated that stat and many others.
Nobody is saying a high completion percentage is an indicator of NFL success. They're saying a low completion percentage is an indicator of NFL failure.
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Yeah man. It's a diverse list of excrement NFL quarterbacks all linked by one stat: Josh Allen's completion percentage.
I do not care about the completion percentage in college football. excrement players can have a really high number there simply because of the scheme.
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Nobody is saying a high completion percentage is an indicator of NFL success. They're saying a low completion percentage is an indicator of NFL failure.
Why do you prefer Lamar Jackson or Baker Mayfield over Josh Allen?
I’ve already said that I wouldn’t take him over Darnold or Rosen.
People want to bring up accuracy for Mayfield. Same easy system as Geno Smith. Great supporting cast. Excellent run game.
Actually watch Allen play instead of looking at numbers. He has elite ability. It isn’t consistent, but none of these guys are.
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Why do you prefer Lamar Jackson or Baker Mayfield over Josh Allen?
I’ve already said that I wouldn’t take him over Darnold or Rosen.
People want to bring up accuracy for Mayfield. Same easy system as Geno Smith. Great supporting cast. Excellent run game.
Actually watch Allen play instead of looking at numbers. He has elite ability. It isn’t consistent, but none of these guys are.
If all Mayfield had going for him was his completion percentage then I wouldn't want him over everyone else. If you think he's the same prospect as Geno Smith, then I can totally understand why he wouldn't be in your top three. I don't. Mayfield's a pure leader. Geno's a douche.
I think if he were an inch taller, he'd be the consensus number 1 overall pick without a second thought. I'm thrilled that he isn't, because that means he'll be there at 3. And I'm also thrilled that, as happens EVERY year, a prospect with elite ability and measureables like Josh Allen is making everyone fantasize about what he could be, rather than what he was and is.
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Why do you prefer Lamar Jackson or Baker Mayfield over Josh Allen?
I’ve already said that I wouldn’t take him over Darnold or Rosen.
People want to bring up accuracy for Mayfield. Same easy system as Geno Smith. Great supporting cast. Excellent run game.
Actually watch Allen play instead of looking at numbers. He has elite ability. It isn’t consistent, but none of these guys are.
Not trying to start an argument here... just wondering...
What happened to "Josh Allen is Kyle Boller 2.0" and "This guy sucks. He can't even throw to a spot."
Did something change or am I misunderstanding your recent posts?
EDIT: I just saw your post in the Josh Allen draft thread. That provided some clarity.
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Let’s just ignore the fact that Josh Allen is inaccurate as hell, regardless of what any statistic says.
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Let’s just ignore the fact that Josh Allen is inaccurate as hell, regardless of what any statistic says.
This is an exaggeration.
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The only thing I can say for sure is that I'm glad that I don't have to make this decision.
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This is an exaggeration.
I really don’t think so when comparing him to recent top QB picks
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I really don’t think so when comparing him to recent top QB picks
How are we defining "inaccurate as hell" then? It's obvious that his supporting cast had a lot to do with his low completion percentage.
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How are we defining "inaccurate as hell" then? It's obvious that his supporting cast had a lot to do with his low completion percentage.
His supporting cast sucked. But he wasn’t good either.
Allen’s drop percentage was 7.84 percent in 2017, per ProFootballFocus. That total puts him 20th among draft-eligible quarterbacks. It’s a figure that pales in comparison to Baker Mayfield’s 9.49 percent, Rosen’s 11 percent, and Lamar Jackson’s 12.4 percent.
Yes, many of Allen’s throws came from muddy pockets. His protection was poor. But it was not much worse than either Jackson’s or Rosen’s.
Allen was pressured on 39 percent of his dropbacks in 2017, per ProFootballFocus, completing 52 percent of such throws; Rosen was pressured on 30 percent of his dropbacks and completed 69 percent of his throws; and Jackson was pressured on 34 percent of his dropbacks, finishing with a 66 percent completion percentage under pressure.
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All I'm saying is that I don't think Allen is as inaccurate as many have suggested. The consistency of his footwork is what concerns me the most from an accuracy standpoint. Hopefully that can be improved with coaching.
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All I'm saying is that I don't think Allen is as inaccurate as many have suggested. The consistency of his footwork is what concerns me the most from an accuracy standpoint. Hopefully that can be improved with coaching.
It gets harped on a lot, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say it’s a real concern when projecting his future.
I don’t enjoy being so negative, but I don’t have faith in the Jet’s coaching staff to do that. They don’t have a good track record with projects. We haven’t seen Petty or Hack make any type of real improvement under our coaching staff. Geno the regime before that. I realize Josh Allen is a much more talented prospect, but I’m kinda done hoping these guys will turn into something they’re (currently) not. I can see him having a successful career in the right scenario, but we have too much riding on this pick to take a project that needs serious mechanical adjustments to reach his potential.
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It gets harped on a lot, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say it’s a real concern when projecting his future.
I don’t enjoy being so negative, but I don’t have faith in the Jet’s coaching staff to do that. They don’t have a good track record with projects. We haven’t seen Petty or Hack make any type of real improvement under our coaching staff. Geno the regime before that. I realize Josh Allen is a much more talented prospect, but I’m kinda done hoping these guys will turn into something they’re (currently) not. I can see him having a successful career in the right scenario, but we have too much riding on this pick to take a project that needs serious mechanical adjustments to reach his potential.
Fire Bowles?
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Fire Bowles?
Bowles has gotten good production out of the veterans, Fitz (year 1) and McCown. That’s why I want to see him coach the team with a legitimate QB. That’ll make any coach look better. You can’t coach up guys who can’t play.
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Bowles has gotten good production out of the veterans, Fitz (year 1) and McCown. That’s why I want to see him coach the team with a legitimate QB. That’ll make any coach look better. You can’t coach up guys who can’t play.
Lets hope Allen fits the bill.
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Lets hope Allen fits the bill.
Does Allen get a snap year 1? You can’t even call for Bowles head until next season
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Does Allen get a snap year 1? You can’t even call for Bowles head until next season
I can and i will.
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It gets harped on a lot, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say it’s a real concern when projecting his future.
I don’t enjoy being so negative, but I don’t have faith in the Jet’s coaching staff to do that. They don’t have a good track record with projects. We haven’t seen Petty or Hack make any type of real improvement under our coaching staff. Geno the regime before that. I realize Josh Allen is a much more talented prospect, but I’m kinda done hoping these guys will turn into something they’re (currently) not. I can see him having a successful career in the right scenario, but we have too much riding on this pick to take a project that needs serious mechanical adjustments to reach his potential.
I agree with you. I don't have faith in our ability to develop a quarterback like Allen, either.
I may wind up regretting this but my hope is that the Bills will sell everything to move up to 2 for Allen, allowing Rosen to fall into our lap and denying Mac the opportunity to decide between the two.
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guys this discussion is all a moot point
one of rosen/darnold will be available with the 3rd pick
with regards to josh allen, either the browns take him at #1 or somebody trades up to #2 to take him. or sam darnold/josh rosen go #1
the giants will take saquon at #2
we are going to be okay, one of darnold/rosen will be ours come draft day
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i was one of the 5 that chose that we will draft allen by the way
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Im still on the Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield train....but i never get what i want, so Allen it is.
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Brett Favre's highest completion percentage in four seasons at college was 55.8%, his last season was 54.5%.
Tim Tebow's lowest completion percentage in four seasons at college was 64.4%, his last season was 67.8%.
Joe Montana's highest completion percentage in three seasons at college was 54.2%, also his last season.
JaMarcus Russell's highest completion percentage in three seasons at college was 67.8%, also his last season.
Using your guy's system we're going to to take Tebow and Russell over Favre and Young. Cherrypicking stats is fun.
It's not cherry picking to leave out QBs who played in college before I was born. Hardly relevant to today's game.
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His supporting cast sucked. But he wasn’t good either.
Drops are just a part of completion percentage though. If your receivers can't get separation or your line can't give them time to execute their routes, that's gojng to impact your ability to complete passes.
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It's not cherry picking to leave out QBs who played in college before I was born. Hardly relevant to today's game.
I knew someone would say that. Is your argument that Favre and Young wouldn't succeed in today's game, or that they'd have better college stats in this day and age?
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If all Mayfield had going for him was his completion percentage then I wouldn't want him over everyone else. If you think he's the same prospect as Geno Smith, then I can totally understand why he wouldn't be in your top three. I don't. Mayfield's a pure leader. Geno's a douche.
I'm not comparing them as prospects or people. That Air Raid system is just very simplified and it inflates numbers, especially the completion percentage.
Baker Mayfield is not Drew Brees. He's more of a Chase Daniel, but with a little more arm talent and way more moxie. Jeff Garcia is a comparison that I've seen in a few places that I understand as well.
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I'm not comparing them as prospects or people. That Air Raid system is just very simplified and it inflates numbers, especially the completion percentage.
Baker Mayfield is not Drew Brees. He's more of a Chase Daniel, but with a little more arm talent and way more moxie. Jeff Garcia is a comparison that I've seen in a few places that I understand as well.
I have never seen an NFL scout's report on a prospect but I really hope they have a specific section, preferably with scoring, for moxie. "We're concerned about his arm strength and footwork, but his decision making is generally swift and sound, he comes from a good family and he scores well for moxie."
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I knew someone would say that. Is your argument that Favre and Young wouldn't succeed in today's game, or that they'd have better college stats in this day and age?
Obviously the latter.
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I have never seen an NFL scout's report on a prospect but I really hope they have a specific section, preferably with scoring, for moxie. "We're concerned about his arm strength and footwork, but his decision making is generally swift and sound, he comes from a good family and he scores well for moxie."
"His chutzpah levels are off the charts."
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Introducing the wonderspunk test. If the player refuses to take it, 10/10.
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Bump due to rumors of Cleveland retardation (Darnold in play?)
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Bump due to rumors of Cleveland retardation (Darnold in play?)
How is Cleveland retarded for taking the best QB in the draft?
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How is Cleveland retarded for taking the best QB in the draft?
I mean that they take Allen at 1 and Darnold is in play for the Jets. Still a slim chance but it was virtually no chance a week or 2 ago.
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I mean that they take Allen at 1 and Darnold is in play for the Jets. Still a slim chance but it was virtually no chance a week or 2 ago.
Yes! Remember, there was a "slim to no chance" that L.Williams and Jamal Adams would fall to us in their respective drafts.
I'm praying that the same happens with Darnold (praying to the dark lord Satan, that is....fun fact: Satan has never given a child leukemia because he "needed another demon").
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Rosen The Chosen
give me all the mayfield smokescreens now so nobody feels the need to trade up for rosen
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BTW you can change your vote, I left it open.
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Rosen The Chosen
give me all the mayfield smokescreens now so nobody feels the need to trade up for rosen
Certainly possible. All the talk is about Baker now. May be a diversion to keep a team from trying to move up for Rosen.
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Bump due to rumors of Cleveland retardation (Darnold in play?)
Expanding on this from rotoworld
Josh Allen - QB - Player
NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah reports that "people familiar with the Browns' thinking" expect them to take Josh Allen with the first-overall pick.
"Just in talking to people around the league. It really picked up in the last week. A lot of people telling me, 'Hey, I think it's going to be Josh Allen.' It's either guys that have worked with John Dorsey or guys that are familiar with that room." The first-overall hype for Allen has faded since the Combine, but he fits the profile of quarterbacks Dorsey has drafted more than Sam Darnold. Allen's playing style is also a better scheme match for OC Todd Haley, who coordinated Ben Roethlisberger for six years. After trading for Tyrod Taylor, the Browns may be leaning toward Allen's upside over Darnold's floor.
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So the Browns are rumored to prefer Allen while the Giants supposedly like Darnold but not Rosen. Looks like it will be between Rosen and Mayfield for the Jets.
I’m hoping for Rosen but wouldn’t be too upset with Mayfield.
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get rosen or contract the franchise
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I remain resolute in my belief that Rosen is the guy.
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I remain resolute in my belief that Rosen is the guy.
Should be or will be?
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I think we all know that two QBs are going ahead of us, we'll pick one of the remaining two of the big four, and he'll be a coke-loving alcoholic bust who's out of the league by 26 while the one we didn't take will go to Canton. The names are interchangeable, the outcome is inevitable. Embrace our fate.
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I think we all know that two QBs are going ahead of us, we'll pick one of the remaining two of the big four, and he'll be a coke-loving alcoholic bust who's out of the league by 26 while the one we didn't take will go to Canton. The names are interchangeable, the outcome is inevitable. Embrace our fate.
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His name was Mason Rudolph
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His name was Mason Rudolph
Lauletta wants to fight you.
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Allen going first is the absolute dream scenario. The Jets then either get Darnold or Rosen. I'm not anti-Mayfield, but I'm a lot more pro Darnold and Rosen.
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Allen going first is the absolute dream scenario. The Jets then either get Darnold or Rosen. I'm not anti-Mayfield, but I'm a lot more pro Darnold and Rosen.
this is where im at
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I don't think it matters if Allen goes #1. The only thing that matters for the Jets is whether Darnold is still there at 3 (probably won't be). Otherwise I think they go with Mayfield. I think Darnold is the only one that will sway them from Mayfield. Just my belief. I'd prefer Rosen, but Mayfield has his positives too.
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I don't think it matters if Allen goes #1. The only thing that matters for the Jets is whether Darnold is still there at 3 (probably won't be). Otherwise I think they go with Mayfield. I think Darnold is the only one that will sway them from Mayfield. Just my belief. I'd prefer Rosen, but Mayfield has his positives too.
You would think the Jets would've been more interested in trading to #4 with the Browns if Mayfield was their guy
I imagine we very likely would've saved a 2nd, possibly even had another second reduced to a 3rd
Weight
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You would think the Jets would've been more interested in trading to #4 with the Browns if Mayfield was their guy
I imagine we very likely would've saved a 2nd, possibly even had another second reduced to a 3rd
Weight
No, this is a very poor strategy. At 3, worst case scenario is you’re picking between 3rd and 4th QBs on your board. Best case scenario you have a shot at #1/#2. At 4, worst case scenario is you’re picking whoever is left over.
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You would think the Jets would've been more interested in trading to #4 with the Browns if Mayfield was their guy
I imagine we very likely would've saved a 2nd, possibly even had another second reduced to a 3rd
Weight
This assumes that no one would trade up to 3 for Mayfield, which could be a big assumption.
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This assumes that no one would trade up to 3 for Mayfield, which could be a big assumption.
would someone really give up more than what we gave up to land Mayfield? (as the price would be higher for other teams as they're further in the draft). You'd be likely be talking two firsts and 2 2nds for other teams to get up to 3 and that's just a starting point. To do that for Allen Darnold or Rosen I understand, but Mayfield comes off as a riskier prospect.
You would think that teams more willing to mortgage their future to get up to 3 would want one of the big 3 QBs that would definitely be available at 3
I understand that you do what you gotta do to get your guy, just seems expensive
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I'm all in on Rosen right now. The more interviews I watch of him talking football or people talking about him, the more I want him.
The kid is super smart and self-aware.
Loved his interaction with Aaron in this video, and how quickly he was picking up what Aaron was telling him.
It's also interested to watch Aaron try to figure out Josh. You can tell there is some intrigue there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNh6QFFYoM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNh6QFFYoM)
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I'm all in on Rosen right now. The more interviews I watch of him talking football or people talking about him, the more I want him.
The kid is super smart and self-aware.
Loved his interaction with Aaron in this video, and how quickly he was picking up what Aaron was telling him.
It's also interested to watch Aaron try to figure out Aaron. You can tell by the look in his eye that he's intrigued by him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNh6QFFYoM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNh6QFFYoM)
you could tell that aaron totally wanted to suck his dlck after the cameras stopped rolling
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Should be or will be?
Will be
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Will be
rosen is not going to be available. he's the guy we need but not the one we will end up with. all this other talk that has been going on regarding how happy people would be with mayfield to the jets is purely a cover up for huge insecurities imo. those that keep peddling this are concealing a secret doubt, and that is that mayfield is nowhere near the prospect or talent that rosen is, but it is their way of accepting the unfortunate position we are in
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if baker mayfield is a NYJ he'll likelier be the next undersized jet qb that gets caught fvcking an underaged chick than he is being the next qb that leads us to a title
i still havent forgotten about sanchez fvcking that 17 year old girl
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rosen is not going to be available. he's the guy we need but not the one we will end up with. all this other talk that has been going on regarding how happy people would be with mayfield to the jets is purely a cover up for huge insecurities imo. those that keep peddling this are concealing a secret doubt, and that is that mayfield is nowhere near the prospect or talent that rosen is, but it is their way of accepting the unfortunate position we are in
Rosen really feels like he will be available. And if he's not Allen has this huge upside, so I'm really not worried anymore.
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rosen is not going to be available. he's the guy we need but not the one we will end up with. all this other talk that has been going on regarding how happy people would be with mayfield to the jets is purely a cover up for huge insecurities imo. those that keep peddling this are concealing a secret doubt, and that is that mayfield is nowhere near the prospect or talent that rosen is, but it is their way of accepting the unfortunate position we are in
I think the chances are pretty good Rosen is there at 3. The only way he isn't is if either the Giants take him or they trade with someone who does. He won't go #1, that is almost a fact.
I don't think the Giants will take him. They are going to take a non-QB or trade down unless Darnold is still available at 2. The biggest chance of Rosen going at 2 is a team trading up. Even if they do, it still may not be for Rosen.
I really don't know who the Jets will take if Mayfield and Rosen are both there at 3. I'm pretty confident it isn't going to be Allen.
There something about Mayfield that makes me think he isn't going to flop. I remember when Russell Wilson used to play for NC State. He just had this ability to make good things happen when he was on the field and you knew the team was going to win with him there. It was the opposite of Sanchez where you were just waiting for the killer interception. Mayfield makes good things happen on the field.
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rosen is not going to be available. he's the guy we need but not the one we will end up with. all this other talk that has been going on regarding how happy people would be with mayfield to the jets is purely a cover up for huge insecurities imo. those that keep peddling this are concealing a secret doubt, and that is that mayfield is nowhere near the prospect or talent that rosen is, but it is their way of accepting the unfortunate position we are in
Insecurities? Securing a secret?
This isn't a soap opera
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There something about Mayfield that makes me think he isn't going to flop. I remember when Russell Wilson used to play for NC State. He just had this ability to make good things happen when he was on the field and you knew the team was going to win with him there. It was the opposite of Sanchez where you were just waiting for the killer interception. Mayfield makes good things happen on the field.
So did Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow. I'm not saying that Mayfield is comparable to either of them, but they had that kind of magic in college as well.
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So did Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow. I'm not saying that Mayfield is comparable to either of them, but they had that kind of magic in college as well.
Fair enough. But Mayfield has that without Tebow's God-awful accuracy or Manziel's off field addiction issues. And he's a better QB than both of them.
His main 2 knocks are things he can't control. The offense he played in and his height.
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Fair enough. But Mayfield has that without Tebow's God-awful accuracy or Manziel's off field addiction issues. And he's a better QB than both of them.
His main 2 knocks are things he can't control. The offense he played in and his height.
But Manziel and Tebow weren't discussions to be top 5 picks.
Both of those guys were late round QBs, while a first round pick is always important its not franchise devastating if you miss.
Giving up 4 prime picks for someone, makes the stakes much much higher
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His main 2 knocks are things he can't control. The offense he played in and his height.
His biggest knock for me is definitely sloppy mechanics.
He loses a lot of accuracy and potential velocity by essentially falling away from his throws on a regular basis, throwing with his feet essentially perpendicular to where he wants the ball to go. It seems like it's because he doesn't need to fit the ball into tight windows, so he can afford to lose a bit of velocity and aim the ball. He has great flexibility through his hips, which generates velocity sometimes, and when he take the time he can load properly and launch down the field, but there is so much inconsistency in his throwing motion.
And then, regarding his accuracy, against Texas Tech, in a one score game, he singlehandedly throws away a drive by making the wrong read on a read option (I assume it wasn't a designed quarterback run because all of the blockers were set up for the RB), missing a wide open wheel route that should've been an easy 20 yard pickup, and then overthrowing another receiver leading to an almost catastrophic interception: https://youtu.be/qhZHWBws2yc?t=336
Same game, underthrowing an open receiver deep, despite having all the time in the world: https://youtu.be/qhZHWBws2yc?t=162
That's just the most recent game I watched of his, but from what I've seen, that inconsistency consistently led to spurts of inaccuracy . He has a special athleticism which means that he can make accurate throws with those questionable mechanics and an inconsistent release point, but it means he is a lot more inaccurate than he ought to be, especially considering how unbelievably open his first read is almost all of the time.
There are a lot of things to like about him, but I like his mechanics the least among the top four quarterbacks.
Edit: I voted Rosen cause I like how he interviews and I love his throwing motion.
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And then, regarding his accuracy, against Texas Tech, in a one score game, he singlehandedly throws away a drive by making the wrong read on a read option (I assume it wasn't a designed quarterback run because all of the blockers were set up for the RB)
This is a great post and I agree with just about everything you've said.
Mayfield didn't make the wrong read on that option play though. He was reading the linebacker and the Texas Tech DL just played the hell out of it.
Lincoln Riley baits LBs with pulling linemen on a lot of his RPOs and that's what this looks like here. The read player took the bait but it just wasn't a good look on the ground. That strong side screen was the best option on that play, but that's a really hard read when the keeper option is on the opposite side. I'm not really sure if there was a pass option built in or not. Riley may have just been setting something up.
That miss on the wheel route is one of the worst misses that I've seen from Mayfield. That's the kind of play that Josh Allen gets buried for.
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It was the opposite of Sanchez where you were just waiting for the killer interception. Mayfield makes good things happen on the field.
I'm not sure what you were watching in 2008, but Mark Sanchez was awesome for USC. He had some turnovers but he was unstoppable in a lot of their games.
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you could tell that aaron totally wanted to suck his dlck after the cameras stopped rolling
hahahahaha
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This is a great post and I agree with just about everything you've said.
Mayfield didn't make the wrong read on that option play though. He was reading the linebacker and the Texas Tech DL just played the hell out of it.
Fair, I was probably stretching with that comment.
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That miss on the wheel route is one of the worst misses that I've seen from Mayfield. That's the kind of play that Josh Allen gets buried for.
That's because Mayfield doesn't miss those throws often. If that's one of his worst misses, I think that's a fairly big positive.
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That's because Mayfield doesn't miss those throws often.
He shouldn't miss wide open receivers often.
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I get that Mayfield had a lot of open receivers. Certainly that elevated his numbers some. From what I've seen, he was also quite accurate with the tight window throws he had. Can't kill the guy too much for something he can't control.
I'm not saying he's better than Rosen or Darnold. I think he is a better fit for the Jets than Allen. I'd rather have Darnold or Rosen, but I won't be upset if the Bates thinks Mayfield is a better fit for what his offense will do.
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you could tell that aaron totally wanted to suck his dlck after the cameras stopped rolling
They did look like they were having simultaneous gaydar flashes.
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His biggest knock for me is definitely sloppy mechanics.
He loses a lot of accuracy and potential velocity by essentially falling away from his throws on a regular basis, throwing with his feet essentially perpendicular to where he wants the ball to go. It seems like it's because he doesn't need to fit the ball into tight windows, so he can afford to lose a bit of velocity and aim the ball. He has great flexibility through his hips, which generates velocity sometimes, and when he take the time he can load properly and launch down the field, but there is so much inconsistency in his throwing motion.
And then, regarding his accuracy, against Texas Tech, in a one score game, he singlehandedly throws away a drive by making the wrong read on a read option (I assume it wasn't a designed quarterback run because all of the blockers were set up for the RB), missing a wide open wheel route that should've been an easy 20 yard pickup, and then overthrowing another receiver leading to an almost catastrophic interception: https://youtu.be/qhZHWBws2yc?t=336
Same game, underthrowing an open receiver deep, despite having all the time in the world: https://youtu.be/qhZHWBws2yc?t=162
That's just the most recent game I watched of his, but from what I've seen, that inconsistency consistently led to spurts of inaccuracy . He has a special athleticism which means that he can make accurate throws with those questionable mechanics and an inconsistent release point, but it means he is a lot more inaccurate than he ought to be, especially considering how unbelievably open his first read is almost all of the time.
There are a lot of things to like about him, but I like his mechanics the least among the top four quarterbacks.
Edit: I voted Rosen cause I like how he interviews and I love his throwing motion.
I don't worry too much about Mayfield's mechanics because it doesn't create any issues for him. He's accurate with the way he throws and he has plenty of arm strength. If he was having accuracy issues on a significant scale (a throw here and there isn't that significant) then it would be an issue. I think because of his height, he needs to be able to throw from multiple angles to be able to take advantage of windows that a taller QB wouldn't need to.
Josh Allen is an example where you worried about his mechanics because it WAS causing him issues placing the ball. It looks like Jordan Palmer got that fixed, so hopefully for him he doesn't revert back to his old ways once the bullets start flying.
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Here's something I've started thinking about regarding the QBs, and no one on the Jets is going to consider this at all when evaluating the the pick--but we're not members of the regime.
Who has the best chance of succeeding if in 2 years there is an entirely new offense installed because there's a complete turnover of the coaching staff? 3 offenses in 3 years sucks for a QB.
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Here's something I've started thinking about regarding the QBs, and no one on the Jets is going to consider this at all when evaluating the the pick--but we're not members of the regime.
Who has the best chance of succeeding if in 2 years there is an entirely new offense installed because there's a complete turnover of the coaching staff? 3 offenses in 3 years sucks for a QB.
Good thought. I think Rosen and Darnold would be the most scheme diverse. I'm trying not to think about Darnold because there isn't much chance he's at 3.
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I get that Mayfield had a lot of open receivers. Certainly that elevated his numbers some. From what I've seen, he was also quite accurate with the tight window throws he had. Can't kill the guy too much for something he can't control.
I'm not saying he's better than Rosen or Darnold. I think he is a better fit for the Jets than Allen. I'd rather have Darnold or Rosen, but I won't be upset if the Bates thinks Mayfield is a better fit for what his offense will do.
Throughout the Senior Bowl scouts/people raved about his accuracy. I also think his anticipation is great and he knows how to use his eyes to manipulate defenders. I only think this contributes to receivers being more open. I think Allen struggles with this when comparing the two, at least anticipation. Mayfield definitely has some tendencies of throwing off a wide base, or his back foot, but he still manages to be accurate and on time the majority of throws. In my mind its similar to Darnold and his throwing motion- it's something that should be cleaned up at the NFL level, but he's gets it done and it works the majority of the time.
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Not that it'll make a huge difference I don't think. But I just realized Mayfield is almost 2 years older than all of the other top QBs, so I guess that's worth factoring in as far as room for growth maturation (and potential time in the league is worth)
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Good thought. I think Rosen and Darnold would be the most scheme diverse. I'm trying not to think about Darnold because there isn't much chance he's at 3.
From what I've been seeing, Rosen seems like the guy best equipped to adapt to a repeated change in scheme. It almost seems like he'd embrace it. I just keep moving further into the "draft Rosen" camp.
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Not that it'll make a huge difference I don't think. But I just realized Mayfield is almost 2 years older than all of the other top QBs, so I guess that's worth factoring in as far as room for growth maturation (and potential time in the league is worth)
He turns 23 tomorrow. I don't think it's a big deal, not like he's 25 or 26. If you get Rosen or Darnold, the extra year or 2 younger is an added bonus, but nothing to make a decision over.
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i'm so far into the echo chamber that i want rosen over darnold and can't remember why that's wrong
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From what I've been seeing, Rosen seems like the guy best equipped to adapt to a repeated change in scheme. It almost seems like he'd embrace it. I just keep moving further into the "draft Rosen" camp.
I also continue to convince myself that our most likely result is actually the best result.
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i'm so far into the echo chamber that i want rosen over darnold and can't remember why that's wrong
Same. I also have a hard time trusting USC quarterbacks which may be the driving force there.
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Hopefully the Mayfield rumors are more in case Darnold/Rosen go 1/2. At least the Jets will appear to have gotten the guy they wanted instead of the leftover QB. We'll see. I'd prefer Rosen, but I'm alright with Mayfield.
I'm pretty confident of 2 things. Darnold will he gone by 3 and Allen won't be the Jets pick.
Would anyone here be completely pissed if the Jets ended up with Mayfield? Put aside for a sec whether the Jets get him as the leftover or whether they pass over Rosen for him.
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the difference between getting stuck with him and passing on rosen for him is being depressed vs. furious
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the difference between getting stuck with him and passing on rosen for him is being depressed vs. furious
This.
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if we traded up to 3 to draft baker mayfield my reaction would be 'meh' irrespective of how he became our pick
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From what little I know about QBs, I'd prefer Darnold and Rosen. However, there is a ton of smoke around Mayfield being the pick.
In the end, if the people (namely Bates) that know the QB position and know the offense that will be run choose Mayfield as the guy they think will best succeed doing it, I'm not going to argue with that. They've met all of these guys, vetted them thoroughly, watched them in their games over and over. None of us have met these guys, put them on the board, asked them a bunch of questions, seen them work out privately when asked to do specific things.
If Duff is making the decision without taking Bates' opinion into account much, then we have bigger issues. I doubt he is. He knows he's gone if this doesn't work. He's going to go with the opinion of the guy that is in charge of making it work. If it's Mayfield, then that's fine. None of these guys are perfect.
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From what little I know about QBs, I'd prefer Darnold and Rosen. However, there is a ton of smoke around Mayfield being the pick.
In the end, if the people (namely Bates) that know the QB position and know the offense that will be run choose Mayfield as the guy they think will best succeed doing it, I'm not going to argue with that. They've met all of these guys, vetted them thoroughly, watched them in their games over and over. None of us have.
If Duff is making the decision without taking Bates' opinion into account much, then we have bigger issues. I doubt he is. He knows he's gone if this doesn't work. He's going to go with the opinion of the guy that is in charge of making it work. If it's Mayfield, then that's fine. None of these guys are perfect.
i just need this to happen already. We've beaten this horse to death.
I think the last time we over-analyzed a topic was the Revis trade.
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i just need this to happen already. We've beaten this horse to death.
I think the last time we over-analyzed a topic was the Revis trade.
10 days man, 10 freaking days...
And honestly the after math of this pick is going to be just as exhausting. Because we are inevitably going to pick at least 1 QB over somebody else in the top 4, just based on math. Can you imagine the scrutiny we are going to put on this if Darnold is there, and we pick anyone else? Or what if we pick Mayfield over Rosen? Or what if it's Allen over anyone? freak what if we just decide its Lamar freaking Jackson time? The lead up to TC so we can see this guy in action is going to be insane.
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10 days man, 10 freaking days...
And honestly the after math of this pick is going to be just as exhausting. Because we are inevitably going to pick at least 1 QB over somebody else in the top 4, just based on math. Can you imagine the scrutiny we are going to put on this if Darnold is there, and we pick anyone else? Or what if we pick Mayfield over Rosen? Or what if it's Allen over anyone? freak what if we just decide its Lamar freaking Jackson time? The lead up to TC so we can see this guy in action is going to be insane.
the 2 bolded scenarios are the most likely to happen.
I like Mayfield, but only if Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2.
I'm still not sure about Allen. I'll root for him if we end up drafting him....but we're on the verge of cutting a QB that had high upside and suffered from accuracy issues. I really don't want to roll the dice on that scenario again.
My QB wishlist order is:
-Darnold
-Rosen
-Mayfield
-Jackson
-Allen
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A big freak you to whatever dickhead decided a few years ago to move the draft back a few weeks.
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I don't remember a time it wasn't in late April.
At least it's not in May like it was a few years ago.
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I don't remember a time it wasn't in late April.
At least it's not in May like it was a few years ago.
You're right it was just that year.
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It might be time to give Sam Darnold a vote.
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It might be time to give Sam Darnold a vote.
Even in the long shot the Browns pass on him. Then it becomes between the chance the giants bite, or they trade down to someone else for an absolute bounty for him
(the Bills could both get their guy and screw a divisional rival)
I think Darnold still had to be a huge long shot. But at least a remotely feasible long shot
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Even in the long shot the Browns pass on him. Then it becomes between the chance the giants bite, or they trade down to someone else for an absolute bounty for him
(the Bills could both get their guy and screw a divisional rival)
I think Darnold still had to be a huge long shot. But at least a remotely feasible long shot
There would be a chance that the Giants bite on a trade in that scenario, but we really don't know what teams are thinking. Maybe teams are just in love with Allen as they are with Darnold. Or maybe the Giants are so smitten with Barkley that they wouldn't want to risk trading down and missing out on him.
There's so much smoke around Mayfield right now with the Jets that I'm starting to believe it. I also am not sure if the Jets would want to take someone like Josh Rosen who has been outspoken about Trump, considering who our owner is/was. I would like to think that's not an issue, but you never really know.
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There would be a chance that the Giants bite on a trade in that scenario, but we really don't know what teams are thinking. Maybe teams are just in love with Allen as they are with Darnold. Or maybe the Giants are so smitten with Barkley that they wouldn't want to risk trading down and missing out on him.
There's so much smoke around Mayfield right now with the Jets that I'm starting to believe it. I also am not sure if the Jets would want to take someone like Josh Rosen who has been outspoken about Trump, considering who our owner is/was. I would like to think that's not an issue, but you never really know.
First it was all about how in love the Jets were with Allen until eventually the Browns were deemed to also be in love with him, and now it's all about how in love the Jets are with Mayfield. Forgive me if I am somewhat skeptical about our proven tightlipped front office being widely known to be all about picking anyone except the concensus top two quarterbacks in the whole draft.
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First it was all about how in love the Jets were with Allen until eventually the Browns were deemed to also be in love with him, and now it's all about how in love the Jets are with Mayfield. Forgive me if I am somewhat skeptical about our proven tightlipped front office being widely known to be all about picking anyone except the concensus top two quarterbacks in the whole draft.
this
remember all the talk about how duff would touch his d.ick every time he thought about allen and his athleticism/arm strength? where is all that now? now mayfield is the flavor of the month
my bet is a lot of these 'insiders' know jack excrement and are just blowing smoke up their own asses as they circle-jerkedly try to get their hits/ratings/reads up.
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Prediction: Jets draft Rosen, trade Teddy B. at the trade deadline to get the 2nd round pick back. Profit.
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My god, we're still contemplating this? When is this draft, anyway?
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My god, we're still contemplating this? When is this draft, anyway?
About another year and a half, I think. At least it's going to feel like it.
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I wonder how long before the NFL breaks up the first round into separate nights, 5 picks each. 1 whole week of just the first round.
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I wonder how long before the NFL breaks up the first round into separate nights, 5 picks each. 1 whole week of just the first round.
they need to go back to having it on the weekend. This prime time stuff is BS
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they need to go back to having it on the weekend. This prime time stuff is BS
Why would they ever do that? Their money is more important than your enjoyment.
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Why would they ever do that? Their money is more important than your enjoyment.
a) I know that
b) I don't give a excrement
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I think Bowles has a hardon for Baker to be honest. He sucked his dick any chance he got during and after the combine in interviews. Macc already screwed Bowles on two excrement quarterbacks and I think he's agreed to let Bowles and Bates handpick their quarterback. Also, I really don't think Chris, Bowles, and Macc have the balls to pull the trigger on Rosen and potentially pee off Woody with his anti Trump campaign. Baker is the pick but I've been drawing hearts around pictures of Rosen's head since November so I really hope I'm wrong on this.
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I think Bowles has a hardon for Baker to be honest. He sucked his dick any chance he got during and after the combine in interviews. Macc already screwed Bowles on two excrement quarterbacks and I think he's agreed to let Bowles and Bates handpick their quarterback. Also, I really don't think Chris, Bowles, and Macc have the balls to pull the trigger on Rosen and potentially pee off Woody with his anti Trump campaign. Baker is the pick but I've been drawing hearts around pictures of Rosen's head since November so I really hope I'm wrong on this.
This wouldn't surprise me at all. However, I wonder if Darnold/Allen being there would change their minds.
I've said Rosen is my guy for a long time, but I would take Darnold or Mayfield at 3 and be fine with it. I wouldn't be happy with Allen, but I'd obviously root for him to prove me wrong.
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dcm mode engaged
What if Macc drafting Rosen pisses off Woody so much he sells the team?
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I very much doubt that Woody Johnson gives a freak who Josh Rosen votes for.
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First it was all about how in love the Jets were with Allen until eventually the Browns were deemed to also be in love with him, and now it's all about how in love the Jets are with Mayfield. Forgive me if I am somewhat skeptical about our proven tightlipped front office being widely known to be all about picking anyone except the concensus top two quarterbacks in the whole draft.
This is exactly where I am as well. We don't want anybody trading over our head, so let's tell the world we want everybody except who we want. Since everyone is buying hook line and sinker that we are in lover with "broadway Baker" we can feel confident in the Giants staying home and picking not a QB.
I really think the dream scenario plays out for the Jets. Josh Allen goes #1 to Cleveland and then the Giants take Barkley or Chubb, and we are left with our choice of Rosen/Darnold.
In my eyes, two elite prospects. Rosen is more ready to play at a high level day 1, and is cerebrally insane, but his injury concerns are legitimate. Darnold is not as ready to play at a high level day 1, but will be just fine, he is a little better escaping pressure, but most importantly, doesn't have the injury history hanging over his head.
I'd wager both kids ceiling is fairly close to equal, which is why Darnold has the lead, as he has less injury concern and more "time" to reach his ceiling as he is slightly younger.
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I very much doubt that Woody Johnson gives a freak who Josh Rosen votes for.
That entire line is because of the photo of Rosen golfing wearing the "freak trump" hat.
If that photo didn't exist, we wouldn't have this conversation.
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I still believe Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2....it was true in January, it's probably true now.
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I very much doubt that Woody Johnson gives a freak who Josh Rosen votes for.
Imagining the Lions drafting a QB who posts a lot of "Ford drivers are retarded" memes.
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Imagining the Lions drafting a QB who posts a lot of "Ford drivers are retarded" memes.
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Imagining the Lions drafting a QB who posts a lot of "Ford drivers are retarded" memes.
Not really comparable though, is it? Rosen playing golf in a T-shirt saying "Johnson & Johnson products cause cancer" might be.
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Tell me why I shouldn't be concerned about darnold turnovers and that he isn't going to be Sanchez all over again
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anyone but baker
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Tell me why I shouldn't be concerned about darnold turnovers and that he isn't going to be Sanchez all over again
Baker Mayfield must be injury prone because Sam Bradford is and he played at Oklahoma too.
Josh Rosen will bust because Cade McNown did.
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I am concerned about Darnold's turnovers though. Too many fumbles this season. He has a long windup and he drops the ball down too far when he throws. He's a very good prospect, and he doesn't have a ton of flaws, but that's a big one.
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Baker Mayfield must be injury prone because Sam Bradford is and he played at Oklahoma too.
Josh Rosen will bust because Cade McNown did.
Are you done? I'm relating him to Sanchez because he was our quarterback and he was unsuccessful as a quarterback because he couldn't stop turning over the ball.
I think Darnold is the best qb in this draft. I'm asking why aren't the high number of turnovers more concerning to people? Why isn't it something that's discussed more? Why do people think this fumbling is going to be fixed once he gets into the NFL?
It seems like he's getting a pass on all of this while other and in past drafts had to deal with these concerns.
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Are you done? I'm relating him to Sanchez because he was our quarterback and he was unsuccessful as a quarterback because he couldn't stop turning over the ball.
I think Darnold is the best qb in this draft. I'm asking why aren't the high number of turnovers more concerning to people? Why isn't it something that's discussed more? Why do people think this fumbling is going to be fixed once he gets into the NFL?
It seems like he's getting a pass on all of this while other and in past drafts had to deal with these concerns.
I'm not really concerned with the fumbling issues, because that's correctable with good coaching.
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Are you done? I'm relating him to Sanchez because he was our quarterback and he was unsuccessful as a quarterback because he couldn't stop turning over the ball.
I think Darnold is the best qb in this draft. I'm asking why aren't the high number of turnovers more concerning to people? Why isn't it something that's discussed more? Why do people think this fumbling is going to be fixed once he gets into the NFL?
It seems like he's getting a pass on all of this while other and in past drafts had to deal with these concerns.
I mean all things considered he only threw 13 INTs... 9 of which were in the first 6 games. He only threw 3 in the last 7. I think early on he tried to press and play hero ball a lot in order to live up to the hype and make up for the deficit in talent from the year before. He also had an incredibly poor OL... Clearly something clicked half way through the season and his interceptions went down. Even Luck threw 10 picks his junior year.
The fumbles are more of a concern because it may be due to his windmill throwing motion. I'm sure coaches will work on that (and he most likely has been this offseason) so there is hope that it gets better. Also, having a terrible OL definitely contributed to the fumbles as well.
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I think Darnold and Rosen will both struggle with interceptions because they are both aggressive, not because they are bad. Josh Allen on the other hand....
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I'm not really concerned with the fumbling issues, because that's correctable with good coaching.
That's what we said about Sanchez early on. I think this is a common sentiment in the NFL and I'm curious if it's as easy to fix as we say it is.
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That's what we said about Sanchez early on. I think this is a common sentiment in the NFL and I'm curious if it's as easy to fix as we say it is.
Yes...but who was coaching Sanchez?
Our track record with OCs during the Sanchez years was abysmal.
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I mean all things considered he only threw 13 INTs... 9 of which were in the first 6 games. He only threw 3 in the last 7. I think early on he tried to press and play hero ball a lot in order to live up to the hype and make up for the deficit in talent from the year before. He also had an incredibly poor OL... Clearly something clicked half way through the season and his interceptions went down. Even Luck threw 10 picks his junior year.
The fumbles are more of a concern because it may be due to his windmill throwing motion. I'm sure coaches will work on that (and he most likely has been this offseason) so there is hope that it gets better. Also, having a terrible OL definitely contributed to the fumbles as well.
Good point. He did seem to improve as the season went on. I'm just saying when other qbs average more than 1 turnover a game they get alot of flak for it, but darnold seems to kind of gets a pass.
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Yes...but who was coaching Sanchez?
Our track record with OCs during the Sanchez years was abysmal.
True. If only Sanchez had Paul Hackett 😂
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True. If only Sanchez had Paul Hackett 😂
So you know, i agree with you about the turnover issue with Darnold. But i have faith in Bates to develop whichever QB we select. Also, the pros certainly outweigh the cons when it comes Darnold, imo.
Paul Hackett gives me IBS.
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Let's just hope the football gods deliver Allen to the Browns. But if he happens to be there at 3, it won't surprise me in the least if we take Allen.
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Let's just hope the football gods deliver Allen to the Browns. But if he happens to be there at 3, it won't surprise me in the least if we take Allen.
The beauty of being me is I won't know if we've blown if for another 2-3 years.
Unless we blow it Hackenberg bad, then I'll figure it out a little quicker.
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Darnold fumbled 21 times in 24 starts...
Never realized it was that high.
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I'm not really concerned with the fumbling issues, because that's correctable with good coaching.
Oh then we're really fucked.
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Oh then we're really fucked.
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After Geno and Sanchez we should all have PTSD when it comes to QBs and fumbling
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After Geno and Sanchez we should all have PTSD when it comes to QBs and fumbling
I don't think it's PTSD, just an expectation that any QB we put on the field is going to turn the ball over in utterly ridiculous ways.
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Let's just hope the football gods deliver Allen to the Browns. But if he happens to be there at 3, it won't surprise me in the least if we take Allen.
#NoThankYou
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#NoThankYou
muh completion percentage
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In Ciminis latest mock draft he had Mayfield going to us, then the bills trading up for Josh Allen, and the Dolphins trading up for Rosen.
Can't say I'd be exactly enthusiastic about that scenario
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75836/mini-mock-2-0-jets-choice-likely-between-these-two-qbs
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In Ciminis latest mock draft he had Mayfield going to us, then the bills trading up for Josh Allen, and the Dolphins trading up for Rosen.
Can't say I'd be exactly enthusiastic about that scenario
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75836/mini-mock-2-0-jets-choice-likely-between-these-two-qbs
I've finally lost the ability to care. Pick one and let's go.
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I've finally lost the ability to care. Pick one and let's go.
I'm about two weeks ahead of you. I don't give a freak who we pick any more, I just want Thursday to happen.
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I've finally lost the ability to care. Pick one and let's go.
Getting Mayfield wouldn't even be the worst part. But the Bills and Dolphins getting Allen and Rosen picking later than us would just be awful
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Getting Mayfield wouldn't even be the worst part. But the Bills and Dolphins getting Allen and Rosen picking later than us would just be awful
I also don't care what other teams do. The place a player ends up makes as much of a difference as his talent.
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I also don't care what other teams do. The place a player ends up makes as much of a difference as his talent.
Other teams not do much, divisional rivals are a bit more concerning. And it's not like Gase doesn't know anything about offense
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I've finally lost the ability to care. Pick one and let's go.
This is where I've been the whole time.
Biggest decision for me will be smoke or edibles, it will depend on who else is home at the time.
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These latest mock drafts are driving me nuts. If Darnold is on the board and we pass I will scream!
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These latest mock drafts are driving me nuts. If Darnold is on the board and we pass I will scream!
I'll be upset at passing on Darnold if it's for anyone but Rosen. I've moved into the Rosen is the guy I want camp. My list now is: 1) Rosen, 2) Darnold, 3a) Allen/3b)Mayfield (toss up).
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As long as we end up with Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold, I'm okay with it. I debate the order of the three, but I think they're in their own tier.
Lamar Jackson is 4 for me and Josh Allen is 5. I thought about putting Lamar in tier 1, but he's got a little more bust potential, so he drops for me. Allen's physical tools are appealing, but he's a clear drop-off behind the top 3 guys.
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As long as we end up with Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold, I'm okay with it. I debate the order of the three, but I think they're in their own tier.
Lamar Jackson is 4 for me and Josh Allen is 5. I thought about putting Lamar in tier 1, but he's got a little more bust potential, so he drops for me. Allen's physical tools are appealing, but he's a clear drop-off behind the top 3 guys.
Same. I'd prefer Darnold or Rosen, but that's me. I could see the powers that be liking Mayfield in their offense since he's a bit better than Rosen at getting out of the pocket and throwing on the run. If we can protect him, I think Rosen would be awesome with Bates in the West Coast system.
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Same. I'd prefer Darnold or Rosen, but that's me. I could see the powers that be liking Mayfield in their offense since he's a bit better than Rosen at getting out of the pocket and throwing on the run. If we can protect him, I think Rosen would be awesome with Bates in the West Coast system.
I love Rosen because I think he's extremely smart and I think if he works with offensive coaches that will put the work in, he has a chance to be great. His dropbacks are already flawless when he doesn't have pressure. With the right coaching, I think he has the upside to be an awesome pocket passer.
Mayfield is statistically the best prospect to come out in a long time at QB. His numbers are off the charts no matter what splits you use. Plus, he's got a ton of starting experience and he's a guy his teammates have loved in the past.
Darnold's throwing motion bothers me (both in how long it is and how he drops the ball down), so I think I have him third of the three right now, but at that point, I'm just nitpicking. He's got most of the tools you're looking for, even if he doesn't have elite tools like Allen.
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As long as we end up with Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold, I'm okay with it. I debate the order of the three, but I think they're in their own tier.
Lamar Jackson is 4 for me and Josh Allen is 5. I thought about putting Lamar in tier 1, but he's got a little more bust potential, so he drops for me. Allen's physical tools are appealing, but he's a clear drop-off behind the top 3 guys.
Ditto
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http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2018/04/nfl_draft_2018_rumors_why_it_looks_like_sam_darnol.html
Darryl Slater
Most analysts consider USC's Sam Darnold to be the best quarterback available in this year's NFL Draft, which begins Thursday night.
But that doesn't mean the Browns will take him first overall, even though they need a quarterback.
According to Cleveland.com's Mary Kay Cabot, the Browns appear to have narrowed their choices at No. 1 to Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield and Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen. The Browns "have cooled" on Darnold recently, according to Cabot.
Mayfield would be something of a surprise pick at No. 1. Most of the chatter regarding the Browns and that pick has centered on a "Darnold or Allen?" decision.
All this means Darnold could very well fall to the quarterback-needy Jets at No. 3. If he does, it would probably be a no-brainer decision for general manager Mike Maccagnan to take him. It would also justify the Jets' decision to trade up from sixth to third, in a deal with the Colts.
But what if the Giants want Darnold (instead of Penn State running back Saquon Barkley) at No. 2?
The Browns taking somebody other than Darnold at No. 1 would set up a fascinating dynamic on Thursday, as the Giants, desiring Barkley, could bluff to the Jets that they're going to take Darnold second ... and, thus, bait the Jets into trading up to No. 2, in order to secure Darnold.
The Jets could always call the Giants' bluff, since it seems increasingly likely the Giants will take Barkley at No. 2, even though there are plenty of compelling reasons for them to select a quarterback there -- especially if it is Darnold.
From the Cleveland.com article Slater cites:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/04/josh_allen_and_baker_mayfield.html
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A day before the draft, it could be down to Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield at No. 1 overall for the Browns, league sources tell cleveland.com.
The Browns have given strong consideration to all of the four top quarterbacks in the draft -- Allen, Mayfield, Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen -- but the choices seem to be narrowing to the cannon-armed passer from Wyoming and the Heisman Trophy winner from Oklahoma, the sources say.
Many experts still believe the Browns will draft Sam Darnold Thursday night, but sources say the Browns have cooled on the USC passer in recent days and that Allen and Mayfield have surpassed him.
92.3 The Fan's Dustin Fox, who's part of the Browns' in-house broadcast team, also reported last Friday he was told it was down to Allen and Mayfield, and Dan Patrick reported on Monday that an NFL scout told him the same thing.
One well-connected top-level NFL personnel executive has been insisting to cleveland.com since the Senior Bowl in January that Dorsey will take Allen. "You can take it to the bank,'' he said again this week.
But there's been a growing buzz in recent days that the Browns love Mayfield, despite his 6-0 height and maturity issues.
Browns GM John Dorsey has like Mayfield since studying him hard when the GM was out of work in the fall, and Browns draft consultant Scot McCloughan, who's been at Dorsey's side throughout the pre-draft process, is on record as saying that Mayfield would be his guy.
Word circulated at the Senior Bowl that McCloughan was strongly recommending Mayfield to Dorsey.
In an interview with the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio in October, the former Redskins and 49ers general manager revealed that Mayfield was his top choice from this rich quarterback class -- and even compared him to Hall of Famer Brett Favre, with whom McCloughan spent six years in Green Bay.
"He reminds me of a shorter version of Brett Favre," McCloughan told Gottlieb."Tough guy. He can throw it. And he's very confident, and he's not afraid whatsoever, whatsoever. He's a battler. I know saying Brett Favre's a big name, and I was around him for a while, but this guy has talent."
In December, Dorsey told Sports Illustrated that he had already seen six of Mayfield's games this season.
"I saw [Mayfield] at Kansas this year, in the OU-Kansas game,'' he said. "You're darn right he's a good quarterback, no matter how tall he is. Some would say he's too short, but I would ask you: How tall is Russell Wilson? How tall is Chase Daniel?"
While several personnel executives at the Senior Bowl expressed concern to cleveland.com about Mayfield's character and maturity, Dorsey defended him.
"You guys create a narrative that you try to portray him as (a character concern),'' Dorsey told cleveland.com and another outlet.
Reminded that the Heisman Trophy winner was arrested last year for public intoxication, and that he taunted the Kansas sideline with the infamous crotch grab, and planted a flag on the Block O at Ohio State, Dorsey didn't back down.
"Every young man will make a mistake in his life, I bet you,'' he said. "And I think he's very remorseful of that mistake and I think he's moved forward from that, and he's trying to make himself a better person, going through the process.''
As for the crotch grab, which he witnessed in person, Dorsey seemed to appreciate the fieriness.
"Well, he made the fans of Kansas upset, I can tell you that,'' Dorsey said.
The Browns have loved the way Mayfield's respond to him, and one source said he was impressive on his visit to the Browns facility.
"I kind of feel like he's the Pied Piper of Oklahoma football,'' said Jackson. "The workout, I will share this with you, when we walked into the building, he made this sound. He just kind of came out of nowhere. He kind of went, 'Hee, hee!' And all the players in the building started going, 'Hee, hee!' And here they go. It's the most unbelievable thing I've ever seen. That shows you something about what he means to young men and how he leads them. And that's who Baker Mayfield is."
Of course, the Mayfield buzz could be an attempt to get a team to try to trade up to No. 1 or No. 4. The Jets at No. 3 are said to like Mayfield, and they've already called the Browns once about trading up to No. 1, when on their way up from No. 6 to No. 3 in a trade with the Colts.
Teams also like Allen, who's raw but has tremendous upside potential if he can continue to improve his accuracy, which has already come a long way since the end of his season. Allen was the "it'' pick for the Browns last week. The Jets even scrambled to bring Darnold in for a last-minute visit last week after it became apparent the Browns might take Allen, according to The New York Daily News.
But it's also possible that the Browns experienced the same thing with Darnold that some other teams did, that he has a ways to go when it comes to processing the pro game. The youngest of the top prospects at 20, Darnold has played only one full season in high school and one full season at USC, where he went 20-4. At times, the inexperience showed in the pre-draft process.
Bleacher Report analyst Chris Simms, a former NFL quarterback, heard the same thing about the USC product.
"He's the rawest, and really from every NFL executive that I've talked to, they've told me that his football knowledge was the least of the five quarterbacks,'' Simms told 92.3 The Fan's Bull and Fox on Tuesday. "So to me, that doesn't say safest.''
Again, it could be a smokescreen or some gamesmanship coming out of Berea. But at least a few league sources believe it's coming down to down to Allen and Mayfield for the Browns at No. 1, or wherever they take their QB.
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Serious question. Why should the Jets take Darnold over Rosen if they were both there?
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Serious question. Why should the Jets take Darnold over Rosen if they were both there?
Because he’s better
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Serious question. Why should the Jets take Darnold over Rosen if they were both there?
Higher ceiling, less injury history. I would be fine with either.
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Darnold is a better athlete and he’s much better outside of the pocket
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Giants are taking Darnold if he’s there.
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Biggest decision for me will be smoke or edibles...
Looking like it will be an edible, in case you were all wondering.
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I'm about two weeks ahead of you. I don't give a freak who we pick any more, I just want Thursday to happen.
I have been there since the beginning of March. Pick one and lets be on our freaking way.
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My biggest concerns with Darnold and Allen are ball security and accuracy respectively, and I just can't accept "that can be fixed with coaching" so readily. I don't doubt their work ethic or dedication (for any of the top QBs really) but it seems like people dismiss those concerns too easily.
As a Jets fan those two things give me flashbacks.
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Darnold’s fumbles and picks went way up because of three things:
pee poor protection, awful receivers, and trying to do too much in tough spots.
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Here's an interesting article that I don't think was posted yet:
https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2018/4/25/17279146/2018-nfl-draft-quarterback-evaluation-failure-baker-mayfield
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Part of me now hopes the first two picks are Mayfield and Darnold, but then I'll be terrified the Jets will pick Allen.
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Here's an interesting article that I don't think was posted yet:
https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2018/4/25/17279146/2018-nfl-draft-quarterback-evaluation-failure-baker-mayfield
Thanks for posting, I'm always interested in different evaluation metrics for QB prospects. Really the best you can do with stats is to compile as much as you can and compare it to past prospects and how they've panned out. It's never going to be perfect and there can always be outliers but it's the best way to approach on-paper evaluations, of course paired with film analysis.
teams overanalyzing something and still managing to not put enough thought into it.
Best description of the draft ever.
here’s a list of things that modern teams have, in fact, flagged this year: Sam Darnold’s “bad face,” the generation that Josh Rosen grew up in, Lamar Jackson’s agent, and Baker Mayfield reminding Ryan Leaf of himself.
Darnold b. 1997
Rosen b. 1997
Allen b. 1996
Mayfield b. 1995
Jackson b. 1997
Rudolph b. 1995
Whoever came up with that excrement needs to never work in scouting again.
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Darnold’s fumbles and picks went way up because of three things:
pee poor protection, awful receivers, and trying to do too much in tough spots.
He'll feel right at home here then.
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Thanks for posting, I'm always interested in different evaluation metrics for QB prospects. Really the best you can do with stats is to compile as much as you can and compare it to past prospects and how they've panned out. It's never going to be perfect and there can always be outliers but it's the best way to approach on-paper evaluations, of course paired with film analysis.
Best description of the draft ever.
Darnold b. 1997
Rosen b. 1997
Allen b. 1996
Mayfield b. 1995
Jackson b. 1997
Rudolph b. 1995
Whoever came up with that excrement needs to never work in scouting again.
Hahah You're welcome, I really enjoyed the article. I agree with everything you wrote. Some of the criticisms are laughable at best, milenial or bad face. hahaha
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Thanks for posting, I'm always interested in different evaluation metrics for QB prospects. Really the best you can do with stats is to compile as much as you can and compare it to past prospects and how they've panned out. It's never going to be perfect and there can always be outliers but it's the best way to approach on-paper evaluations, of course paired with film analysis.
Best description of the draft ever.
Darnold b. 1997
Rosen b. 1997
Allen b. 1996
Mayfield b. 1995
Jackson b. 1997
Rudolph b. 1995
Whoever came up with that excrement needs to never work in scouting again.
Cimini wrote something today about the Jets use of analytics to pick a QB http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75913/jets-increased-use-of-analytics-could-help-determine-qb-of-future
Basically it suggests Mayfield is the man
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Cimini wrote something today about the Jets use of analytics to pick a QB http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75913/jets-increased-use-of-analytics-could-help-determine-qb-of-future
Basically it suggests Mayfield is the man
No, it suggests that Mayfield is the clear pick if they only take certain analytics into account with this pick.
He is still a major outlier at the position because of his height. It would be foolish to pass on Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen for Baker Mayfield. I could understand taking Mayfield over Josh Allen, but I also would be OK taking Allen over Mayfield based on potential and measurables.
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Dear freak, did Avaya really pay money to put their name on a $15 Wal-Mart phone?
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lmao
Tommy’s QB
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Granted it was five years ago but I’m surprised that was not made into a bigger deal.
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What is the link?
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lmao
Tommy’s QB
“Not a fan of Josh Allen, he’s such a guido”
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The whole josh Allen being a patriots fan now suddenly makes sense
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Right or wrong, this may end up worse than Tunsil because it involves race and not drugs. Especially when someone inevitably brings up Kaepernick and the media blows it up.
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Right or wrong, this may end up worse than Tunsil because it involves race and not drugs. Especially when someone inevitably brings up Kaepernick and the media blows it up.
I don't think it would stop the browns taking him, or a team like the bills going up for him.
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Eh. I don't think it'll be a huge deal. He was 16 years old and wrote some dumb excrement on social media to act cool.
It's definitely not a good optic, but the guy didn't even have a driver's license when he wrote these things. It's kind of pathetic that this is coming up now. Lame attempt at a smear campaign.
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Eh. I don't think it'll be a huge deal. He was 16 years old and wrote some dumb excrement on social media to act cool.
It's definitely not a good optic, but the guy didn't even have a driver's license when he wrote these things. It's kind of pathetic that this is coming up now. Lame attempt at a smear campaign.
Or Bills mafia sitting on those tweets and then leaning them to the media in an effort to get him to slip
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Eh. I don't think it'll be a huge deal. He was 16 years old and wrote some dumb excrement on social media to act cool.
It's definitely not a good optic, but the guy didn't even have a driver's license when he wrote these things. It's kind of pathetic that this is coming up now. Lame attempt at a smear campaign.
What should happen and what may happen could be different.
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One of those tweets is just lyrics from a Rick Ross song.
And the tweet about pong...I hear annoying white kids say excrement like that daily. They don’t see it as a race thing.
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Wait until Shaun King finds out
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Wait until Shaun King finds out
This shouldn't blow up, but people like him are the reason it might. Once crap like this gets going, it's like a steamroller.
I'm glad twitter didn't exist when I was that age.
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This is going to be such a crazy draft. When was the last time that the #1 overall team had 3 players they could select without anyone being shocked? Put that with the trade possibilities and the Jets getting a franchise QB, it's gonna be awesome.
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#GetHype
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I reset the poll because I'm sure a good deal of people voted a while back, so I figured I'd get the latest guesses.
Here's what it was before I reset it.
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I really think there's a decent chance that Darnold falls to 3. I don't think he will go #1 anymore, but I have a hard time seeing him get past 2. Either the Giants will take him, or the Broncos will move up and do it. i don't think the Bills can make a move up to 2 happen, mainly because the Giants won't be interested in going back to 12.
It's quite possible that the Broncos would rather have a "right now" player like Nelson or Ward. If Darnold falls to 3, I think the Jets take him over Rosen, but I don't think he falls. I don't know where Mayfield ends up, but I feel like the Jets would take Rosen over him. If I had to put a % with the chances, I'd say 50% Rosen, 30% Darnold, 20% Mayfield.
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I'm sticking with Allen because we're still the Jets.
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Sam Darnold
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I'll be happy with Rosen or Darnold. I'll be happy with Mayfield if the first two aren't an option. I'll be cautiously optimistic about Allen.
I'm ready to ride or die with the first three and willing to live with the fourth. There's no Geno scenario where I spend the player's entire Jets tenure wanting him to GTFO.
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There's no Geno scenario where I spend the player's entire Jets tenure wanting him to GTFO.
Thank the football gods for this.
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I'll be happy with Rosen or Darnold. I'll be happy with Mayfield if the first two aren't an option. I'll be cautiously optimistic about Allen.
I'm ready to ride or die with the first three and willing to live with the fourth. There's no Geno scenario where I spend the player's entire Jets tenure wanting him to GTFO.
#RIPSmunt
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Went with Darnold cus who knows wtf happens tonight
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I’ll eat my hat if the Giants don’t take Darnold or trade the pick for a ransom. I hope I’m wrong.
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I’ll eat my hat if the Giants don’t take Darnold or trade the pick for a ransom. I hope I’m wrong.
Unless it's with the Broncos, I don't think there's a QB needy team that can find a way to trade up to 2. It's too far to reasonably do. Also, there's tons of buzz about the Browns wanting to get out of the 4 pick, so a QB needy team could much more easily get to that spot and get the 3rd or 4th best QB.
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Unless it's with the Broncos, I don't think there's a QB needy team that can find a way to trade up to 2. It's too far to reasonably do.
I could see someone doing the RGIII trade for Darnold if he’s available at 2.
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2 things I hope don't happen tonight: I hope the Jets don't draft Allen and I hope we don't get conned into moving up to 2 to get Darnold.
I don't think either will happen.
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2 things I hope don't happen tonight: I hope the Jets don't draft Allen and I hope we don't get conned into moving up to 2 to get Darnold.
I don't think either will happen.
I wouldn't like it, because we've given up enough picks to last awhile. But if it's for Darnold, I think i'd be fine to move up to 2.
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I listened to Mayfields interview with Marty Smith today, and man, did Mayfield come off disingenuous. He was trying to this whole I'm me thing, I envision my future then accomplish it, and i always do the right thing when no ones watching, etc. etc.
Really rubbed me the wrong way
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I listened to Mayfields interview with Marty Smith today, and man, did Mayfield come off disingenuous. He was trying to this whole I'm me thing, I envision my future then accomplish it, and i always do the right thing when no ones watching, etc. etc.
Really rubbed me the wrong way
SBTG
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SBTG
At what point do we change to, SBTH?
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At what point do we change to, SBTH?
If H ever plays.
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At what point do we change to, SBTH?
After he takes his first meaningful snap in a Jets uniform.....which probably won't happen.
EDIT: F U Badger
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After he takes his first meaningful snap in a Jets uniform.....which probably won't happen.
EDIT: F U Badger
SBTMB
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SBTMB
JudasOnLSD
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SBTMB
Still better than Maker Bayfield?
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I listened to Mayfields interview with Marty Smith today, and man, did Mayfield come off disingenuous. He was trying to this whole I'm me thing, I envision my future then accomplish it, and i always do the right thing when no ones watching, etc. etc.
Really rubbed me the wrong way
These guys are all like 22, talk to them long enough and they're going to say something stupid. I don't care, throw the f*cking ball the the right guys and we're cool.
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I remember a while back JE mentioned the possibility of the Giants extracting a 3rd rounder from the Jets to move back one spot and got bashed for it. If Darnold doesn't go #1, it's a real possibility. I guess it depends on how much more they like Darnold than Rosen. Hopefully the Jets will stay strong at 3.
I really don't see the Giants moving back any further than 5. I think Gettleman is pretty no-nonsense and will just pick a non-QB at 2. The Giants want as little to do with helping the Jets as possible. I do think they will try to make another run with Eli. If they do, they need an elite-type player that plays day 1.
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I remember a while back JE mentioned the possibility of the Giants extracting a 3rd rounder from the Jets to move back one spot and got bashed for it. If Darnold doesn't go #1, it's a real possibility. I guess it depends on how much more they like Darnold than Rosen. Hopefully the Jets will stay strong at 3.
I really don't see the Giants moving back any further than 5. I think Gettleman is pretty no-nonsense and will just pick a non-QB at 2. The Giants want as little to do with helping the Jets as possible. I do think they will try to make another run with Eli. If they do, they need an elite-type player that plays day 1.
JE got bashed for it because it'll take more than a single 3rd round pick to move up 1 spot that high in the draft. Look at what the Bears gave up to the Niners to move up 1 spot for Trubisky.
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JE got bashed for it because it'll take more than a single 3rd round pick to move up 1 spot that high in the draft. Look at what the Bears gave up to the Niners to move up 1 spot for Trubisky.
There weren't 4 QBs potentially going in the top 5 that year and every situation is different. The reason it makes sense is that any more than a 3rd rounder would probably chase off the Jets and just make them stay at 3. I don't think the Jets have so much of a boner for Darnold over all else that they would trade 3 picks away to move up one spot. They might do it for 1 pick.
From the Giants perspective (assuming the Broncos aren't calling), if they don't have any desire to move back beyond 10, their only other option is to just take the pick at 2. Why not get a cheap 3rd rounder and take the same pick you were going to anyway? Unless they trade with the Broncos, it's either pick at 2, trade back to 3 and pick up something small or trade back to 12 and get a huge haul without getting a blue chip pick this year
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At what point do we change to, SBTH?
I'm holding judgement on Hacks success until year 3
You still got another year until you’re allowed to say anything.
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There weren't 4 QBs potentially going in the top 5 that year and every situation is different.
that's my point. There are more QB needy teams this year, and these prospects are rated higher than Trubisky. The price will be higher....i'd be floored if it wasn't.
The other caveat is i don't see the Giants doing us any favors.
We need them to take Chubb or Barkley. #BestCaseScenario
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I listened to Mayfields interview with Marty Smith today, and man, did Mayfield come off disingenuous. He was trying to this whole I'm me thing, I envision my future then accomplish it, and i always do the right thing when no ones watching, etc. etc.
Really rubbed me the wrong way
If only he was dressed like Thanos.
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If only he was dressed like Thanos.
Mayfield lacks the height to dress like Thanos, bust.
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Mayfield lacks the height to dress like Thanos, bust.
Not necessarily, he could be a really good Ant-Man.
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I remember a while back JE mentioned the possibility of the Giants extracting a 3rd rounder from the Jets to move back one spot and got bashed for it.
I got bashed for saying that Idzik didn't really know what he was doing. I got bashed for saying that Winters was a good player. I got bashed for saying that Wes Johnson was never going to be any good. Sometimes it just takes people a while to catch up with me.
The likes of MB still can't see the logic of the Giants trading back to #3 because they're either blinded by the whole "Giants will never trade with the Jets" idiocy, or they're looking at it in entirely the wrong context because they don't understand the basic principles of making a deal.
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I got bashed for saying that Idzik didn't really know what he was doing. I got bashed for saying that Winters was a good player. I got bashed for saying that Wes Johnson was never going to be any good. Sometimes it just takes people a while to catch up with me.
The likes of MB still can't see the logic of the Giants trading back to #3 because they're either blinded by the whole "Giants will never trade with the Jets" idiocy, or they're looking at it in entirely the wrong context because they don't understand the basic principles of making a deal.
i never said a deal couldn't be made, i said the price you were suggesting was ludicrous....and it still is.
Of course, you'd understand that if you actually watched the drafts....
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i never said a deal couldn't be made, i said the price you were suggesting was ludicrous....and it still is.
That's because you're not looking at it in the full context. The comparison with the Trubisky trade doesn't work, but you apparently refuse to understand why.
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The likes of MB still can't see the logic
MB is to logic what the Jets are to Franchise QB's.
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That's because you're not looking at it in the full context. The comparison with the Trubisky trade doesn't work, but you apparently refuse to understand why.
actually, it does work.
Again, watch a draft now and then....then bring your thoughts to the big boys table.
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actually, it does work.
Again, watch a draft now and then....then bring your thoughts to the big boys table.
Stuffing your face with wings and getting drunk with your buddies as young men in suits answer telephones doesn't help you understand anything more about how deals work. Are you going to keep up with this stupidity or are you going to actually ask me to explain the point that you're missing?
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Stuffing your face with wings and getting drunk with your buddies as young men in suits answer telephones doesn't help you understand anything more about how deals work. Are you going to keep up with this stupidity or are you going to actually ask me to explain the point that you're missing?
I don't need an explanation. The Giants aren't accepting a single 3rd round pick to drop down 1 spot....there are other teams offering more. Get your head out of your derriere.
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Are you going to keep up with this stupidity or are you going to actually ask me to explain the point that you're missing?
JE, I have to wonder how intelligent you really are if after 20,000 of his posts, you have to ask this question.
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I don't need an explanation. The Giants aren't accepting a single 3rd round pick to drop down 1 spot....there are other teams offering more. Get your head out of your derriere.
OK, let's do this with baby steps then. What's the one thing that the Jets are offering in my hypothetical scenario that no other team is?
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OK, let's do this with baby steps then. What's the one thing that the Jets are offering in my hypothetical scenario that no other team is?
Banana pudding?
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Banana pudding?
We could offer that, but so could other teams. What's the one thing that we can guarantee the Giants that no other team can, and that we know they place significant value on? (Other than Maccagnan's reserved parking spot at MetLife. There's no player on the board valuable enough for him to give that up.)
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You still got another year until you’re allowed to say anything.
I still standby that, but it looks like he isn't going to get the chance which is fine given our draft position.
My point was, if you have a 3 year plan stick to it and don't judge how good your half-baked cake tastes.
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There was a time when people thought the Jets liked Josh Allen. Now the Jets are linked to Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield, but no talk whatsoever about Allen. That would be one hell of a smokescreen if Allen is actually our guy.
Maybe Maccagnan leaked the old tweets.
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Banana pudding?
Banana Pudding from Magnolia Bakery is really good, but the Giants are also from NY. I think they can get Magnolia's Banana pudding without the Jets help.
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OK, let's do this with baby steps then. What's the one thing that the Jets are offering in my hypothetical scenario that no other team is?
Dude, you keep saying the Jets are the only ones offering something....that's a fallacy. You were wrong about this in march...congrats, you're still wrong.
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I still standby that, but it looks like he isn't going to get the chance which is fine given our draft position.
My point was, if you have a 3 year plan stick to it and don't judge how good your half-baked cake tastes.
I agree if that's all we have, but nobody two years ago could count on us drafting #3 in a QB rich draft, so plans change. No harm in keeping Hackenberg around another year but hopefully he will end up as a footnote.
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Dude, you keep saying the Jets are the only ones offering something....that's a fallacy. You were wrong about this in march...congrats, you're still wrong.
I'm honestly scratching my head at how you managed to misread such a short sentence.
What's the one thing that the Jets are offering in my hypothetical scenario that no other team is?
Read all of the bolded parts. All of them. Not just the bits that you think you should read to support the narrative you've built in your head. Take a minute to think about it.
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I'm honestly scratching my head at how you managed to misread such a short sentence.
What's the one thing that the Jets are offering in my hypothetical scenario that no other team is?
Read all of the bolded parts. All of them. Not just the bits that you think you should read to support the narrative you've built in your head. Take a minute to think about it.
How about....no.
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How about....no.
MBjunc has made up his mind, and no amount of explanation or logic is moving it. Fair enough.
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The Jets can guarantee the Giants that they will get the guy they were going to take anyway.
Also, yes, other teams are offering more than the Jets........to move back 10 or more freaking spots.
The Broncos are the only team that could give the Giants a big haul of picks while still getting a blue chip player.
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I'm honestly scratching my head at how you managed to misread such a short sentence.
What's the one thing that the Jets are offering in my hypothetical scenario that no other team is?
Read all of the bolded parts. All of them. Not just the bits that you think you should read to support the narrative you've built in your head. Take a minute to think about it.
(https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/900327160-e1518463190297.jpg?w=560&h=316&crop=1)
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MBjunc has made up his mind, and no amount of explanation or logic is moving it. Fair enough.
No...im not here to interpret your nonsense.
If you have something to say...say it then. Otherwise stfu.
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No...im not here to interpret your nonsense.
If you have something to say...say it then. Otherwise stfu.
Logic = nonsense
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(https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/900327160-e1518463190297.jpg?w=560&h=316&crop=1)
Saquon makes good banana pidding?
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The Jets can guarantee the Giants that they will get the guy they were going to take anyway.
Also, yes, other teams are offering more than the Jets........to move back 10 or more freaking spots.
The Broncos are the only team that could give the Giants a big haul of picks while still getting a blue chip player.
QFT
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No...im not here to interpret your nonsense.
If you have something to say...say it then. Otherwise stfu.
Fine. Here's where you're not thinking about it correctly.
We know that the Giants want Barkley, and we know that if he's there at #4 he's almost certainly going to go to Cleveland. Therefore, trading #2 to anyone but the Jets means that the Giants don't get their top pick. (The only other guy who they might take at #2 is Darnold, but as we're talking about them being willing to trade the pick with Darnold on the board we can ignore that.) So what you're not factoring in here is the value gap that the Giants determine between Barkley and whoever is going to be available to them at whatever position they trade to.
Trading with the Jets doesn't have that trade off - anything they get from us is a bonus. With anyone else, the extra picks have to be enough to justify the difference between Barkley and whoever is available at #11 or #12 or #15, and you have to consider that to be fairly significant.
This wasn't the situation in 2017 with the Bears. There weren't a bunch of fallback options available for Chicago at QB, and there wasn't the knowledge of who the 49ers wanted; they had to pay a premium to beat out other offers because SF stood to lose nothing of known value, and the Bears had no plan B.
Comparing this year's situation with last year's is, to be charitable, overly simplistic. You have to consider the notional value of every element of a deal to understand it.
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0 chance MB comprehends that
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0 chance MB comprehends that
lol'ing because JE spent time typing that out for nothing
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I still standby that, but it looks like he isn't going to get the chance which is fine given our draft position.
My point was, if you have a 3 year plan stick to it and don't judge how good your half-baked cake tastes.
This 3 year plan, was that Macc’s strategy or just something you come up with?
Only 2 other QBs taken in the first 2 rounds of the draft during the Super Bowl era never played a snap in their first 2 seasons.
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lol'ing because JE spent time typing that out for nothing
Hahaha
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This 3 year plan, was that Macc’s strategy or just something you come up with?
Only 2 other QBs taken in the first 2 rounds of the draft during the Super Bowl era never played a snap in their first 2 seasons.
Duff and scouts
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lol'ing because JE spent time typing that out for nothing
+69
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Fine. Here's where you're not thinking about it correctly.
We know that the Giants want Barkley, and we know that if he's there at #4 he's almost certainly going to go to Cleveland. Therefore, trading #2 to anyone but the Jets means that the Giants don't get their top pick. (The only other guy who they might take at #2 is Darnold, but as we're talking about them being willing to trade the pick with Darnold on the board we can ignore that.) So what you're not factoring in here is the value gap that the Giants determine between Barkley and whoever is going to be available to them at whatever position they trade to.
Trading with the Jets doesn't have that trade off - anything they get from us is a bonus. With anyone else, the extra picks have to be enough to justify the difference between Barkley and whoever is available at #11 or #12 or #15, and you have to consider that to be fairly significant.
This wasn't the situation in 2017 with the Bears. There weren't a bunch of fallback options available for Chicago at QB, and there wasn't the knowledge of who the 49ers wanted; they had to pay a premium to beat out other offers because SF stood to lose nothing of known value, and the Bears had no plan B.
Comparing this year's situation with last year's is, to be charitable, overly simplistic. You have to consider the notional value of every element of a deal to understand it.
I understand your point.
But you're basing it on the Giants absolutely wanting Barkley, which may not be true.
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I understand your point.
But you're basing it on the Giants absolutely wanting Barkley, which may not be true.
That is a possibility, but I think everyone would be shocked if they pick anyone at #2 other than Darnold or Barkley. If Gettleman is just playing a game and hates everyone in the top 5 then he's a master of the bluff.
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That is a possibility, but I think everyone would be shocked if they pick anyone at #2 other than Darnold or Barkley. If Gettleman is just playing a game and hates everyone in the top 5 then he's a master of the bluff.
I'm not ready to write off B.Chubb as a possibility at 2 yet.
Having said that, it should be one of the QBS or Barkley.
I apologize for being an derriere earlier.
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I'm not ready to write off B.Chubb as a possibility at 2 yet.
Having said that, it should be one of the QBS or Barkley.
I apologize for being an derriere earlier.
LOL, no apologies needed. Being an derriere is what we do on here. poopchute.
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LOL, no apologies needed. Being an derriere is what we do on here. poopchute.
STFU and accept my apology. I only hand one out once a year.
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STFU and accept my apology. I only hand one out once a year.
When was last years or the year before?
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When was last years or the year before?
i gave them to my wife
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Rapsheet: Giants coach Pat Shurmur told reporters he’s “planning on picking at No. 2.” At this point, it seems like: 1. There isn’t a lot of interest in coming all he way up to 2. 2. The Giants want to make the pick.
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i gave them to my wife
Lucky gal she is ::)
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Rapsheet: Giants coach Pat Shurmur told reporters he’s “planning on picking at No. 2.” At this point, it seems like: 1. There isn’t a lot of interest in coming all he way up to 2. 2. The Giants want to make the pick.
This is good for us.
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Lance Zierlein: Hearing Rosen over Darnold at 3
Some twitter user named "Dr Maya Angeboobs": I'm hearing Rosen is a smokescreen and Darnold is a lock at 3
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Lance Zierlein: Hearing Rosen over Darnold at 3
Some twitter user named "Dr Maya Angeboobs": I'm hearing Rosen is a smokescreen and Darnold is a lock at 3
The team sitting at 3 when the draft started last year wanted a player who liked kissing tittiess so I'm inclined to trust Dr Angeboobs
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This draft hype has turned from exciting to chinese nutsack torture.
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Now I'm terrified the Jets are going to take Allen over Rosen and Darnold. These are going to be a terrible few more hours. Hopefully, they won't be terrifying days/weeks/years after tonight.
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Now I'm terrified the Jets are going to take Allen over Rosen and Darnold. These are going to be a terrible few more hours. Hopefully, they won't be terrifying days/weeks/years after tonight.
I've been calm from January, right up until about an hour ago. Let's hope for the best.
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I'm hoping Matt Miller has the same sources as Hobbes.
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I’ll eat my hat if the Giants don’t take Darnold or trade the pick for a ransom. I hope I’m wrong.
i agree there is a chance the giants don't draft a qb but if that's the case itll be because they want to take saquon, and trading out of the 2nd pick means that that wouldn't be possible as he'd be gone by 4.
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I've been calm from January, right up until about an hour ago. Let's hope for the best.
Yeah, I've been calm all along. The idea that Bates is in love with Allen scares me though. You have to believe that he gets a big say in who the QB is. That had to be part of the agreement he made to come out of the shadows to take the OC position.
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Yeah, I've been calm all along. The idea that Bates is in love with Allen scares me though. You have to believe that he gets a big say in who the QB is. That had to be part of the agreement he made to come out of the shadows to take the OC position.
Oh for sure.
But i have a hard time believing that information was volunteered out to some internet draftnik. The one thing i'll give this regime credit for, they're very good at keeping things under wraps.
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I would assume Bates has influence but this pick is basically for Macc's job. I assume he'll pick whoever he thinks is the best/projects best in general, not just for Bates' scheme.
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Now I'm terrified the Jets are going to take Allen over Rosen and Darnold. These are going to be a terrible few more hours. Hopefully, they won't be terrifying days/weeks/years after tonight.
4 letters, my friend. 4 letters.
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4 letters, my friend. 4 letters.
4 letters =/= Does Not Suck
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.@mlombardiNFL "The Browns do not like Darnold. I'm told they spent time with Darnold and were not impressed with him"
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.@mlombardiNFL "The Browns do not like Darnold. I'm told they spent time with Darnold and were not impressed with him"
Future HOFer
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We're going to have a shot at Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, or possibly both at 3. Come on Duff, get it right.
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i'm not the biggest fan of allen but i will say this, just heard him talking to suzy kolber about the tweets and he's saying a lot of good things, handling it well
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Anybody going to watch the Fox coverage instead of NFL Network? I think I might give it a shot for a little bit.
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Last chance boys.....final guess- Rosen
I can't see Darnold making it to 3. It's too good to be true.
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It's going to be Sam I am, luck is our lady tonight.
That said I would be freaking pumped for Rosen as well
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No idea who this dude is but
The Jets will reportedly take UCLA QB Josh Rosen over USC QB Sam Darnold if both of them are available at No. 3, reports Lance Zierlein of NFL.com.
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I will stick with Chosen Rosen. He was my guy last year before the draft and he is my guy now
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No idea who this dude is but
He's no Doctor Flangeytits.
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I hope Mayfield and Darnold go 1 and 2.
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Never trusting Lance Zierlein again.
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I want my freaking vCash mother fuckers
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Bills trade up?
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Never trusting Lance Zierlein again.
Someone needs to go back and make a list of all these wrong rumors. Like Matt Miller saying Jeremy Bates loves Josh Allen.
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Matt Miller needs to be tarred and feathered.
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Bates might love Josh Allen but Bates doesn't make the picks.
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Bates might love Josh Allen but Bates doesn't make the picks.
A lot of the "so and so likes [insert QB here]" might well be true. Liking a guy and having him as your #1 guy are very different statements
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I’ll eat my hat if the Giants don’t take Darnold or trade the pick for a ransom. I hope I’m wrong.
Time to get that hat
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Time to get that hat
yesssss
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Time to get that hat
Dave Gettleman can eat it for me. What kind of GM doesn’t even listen to trade offers?
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Dave Gettleman can eat it for me. What kind of GM doesn’t even listen to trade offers?
The kind that makes me happy they're running the Giants.
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bump because why not lol
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bump because why not lol
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Because it revealed that this otherwise august body of sharp football crackerjacks ended up wanting ....Josh Rosen?
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Because it revealed that this otherwise august body of sharp football crackerjacks ended up wanting ....Josh Rosen?
Yup. Huge miss on my part.
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Because it revealed that this otherwise august body of sharp football crackerjacks ended up wanting ....Josh Rosen?
A wise friend of mine once said the only thing worse than a dumbass is a dumbass that thinks he's a smartass... The very definition of this place.
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Because it revealed that this otherwise august body of sharp football crackerjacks ended up wanting ....Josh Rosen?
Your reading comprehension could use some work.
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I'm all in on Rosen right now. The more interviews I watch of him talking football or people talking about him, the more I want him.
The kid is super smart and self-aware.
Loved his interaction with Aaron in this video, and how quickly he was picking up what Aaron was telling him.
It's also interested to watch Aaron try to figure out Josh. You can tell there is some intrigue there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNh6QFFYoM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNh6QFFYoM)
Nope he read it correctly.
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Your reading comprehension could use some work.
. .your mien as well.
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I forgot it was Darnold and Rosen all that time here. Wow.
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. .your mien as well.
Send him Thanos underoos and he will love you forever, like his cum stained Avengers Poster.
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I forgot it was Darnold and Rosen all that time here. Wow.
I didn't go back and read through all my old takes, but Lamar was my guy. I loved Lamar coming out, but I thought he needed a creative coaching staff. I thought Bowles would have wasted him.
That said, I was also big on Rosen.
The jury is still out on a lot of these guys. Darnold and Allen could easily tank. Lamar is less likely, but it's not impossible. And even Rosen could potentially bounce back, though it's not likely.
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Josh Rosen is a bitch
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Send him Thanos underoos and he will love you forever, like his cum stained Avengers Poster.
Hey, hey, HEY!
Slow the freak down
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i was on the 'i love sam darnold, but he's going #1 to CLE, so it's between Baker and Rosen, and Baker is a bvtch so I want Rosen' camp. But I did think Rosen was a good prospect
I am happy with how things have turned out
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I didn't know a lot about any of them pre-draft, but I did "know" Darnold was going #1, so it was a matter of who I thought we'd be best with from the rest. Rosen was who I thought would be next best.
I still can't believe we lucked into Darnold. Maccagnan was trash, but trading up early made this happen.
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I didn't know a lot about any of them pre-draft, but I did "know" Darnold was going #1, so it was a matter of who I thought we'd be best with from the rest. Rosen was who I thought would be next best.
I still can't believe we lucked into Darnold. Maccagnan was trash, but trading up early made this happen.
i personally believe heimerdinger was the architect of that entire move/deal, and all maccagnan did was say 'ok'.
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i was on the 'i love sam darnold, but he's going #1 to CLE, so it's between Baker and Rosen, and Baker is a bvtch so I want Rosen' camp. But I did think Rosen was a good prospect
I am happy with how things have turned out
Same but I was concerned with Rosen's concussion history so I convinced myself Baker Mayfield would be a good pick.
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i personally believe heimerdinger was the architect of that entire move/deal, and all maccagnan did was say 'ok'.
I don't care at all who made it happen. I'm just glad it did.
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I didn't know a lot about any of them pre-draft, but I did "know" Darnold was going #1, so it was a matter of who I thought we'd be best with from the rest. Rosen was who I thought would be next best.
I still can't believe we lucked into Darnold. Maccagnan was trash, but trading up early made this happen.
I generally can't remember what happened in the game I watched last week never mind what happened in a draft two years ago, but I can so vividly sitting in my den in a state of shock after the Giants had picked Barkley. I was saying out loud over and over again "don't freak this up take Darnold don't freak this up take Darnold don't freak this up take Darnold don't freak this up take Darnold don't freak this up take Darnold", and terrified that Maccagnan had so convinced himself that Allen was his guy that he was going to take him anyway. When they announced the pick and it was Sam it was as much relief as it was joy.
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If we hadn’t traded up early I am absolutely certain we wouldn’t have gotten Sam at the price we paid. We would have tossed in extra 1s and then some, or else we would have lost the bidding war.
Thank Gettleman for not even being willing to try and deal out of #2
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I still firmly believe the Giants did the right thing taking Barkley. They needed to take one more shot with Eli. It doesn't matter how that turned out.
The Browns, on the other hand, are completely inept.