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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on February 23, 2018, 07:51:40 AM
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http://draftjoshallen.com
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why is Michael Cera on the front page?
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I see it mentions that he's tall with a strong arm but not that he's white. What gives?
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That is the best fuckin website I've seen from 1998! Makes me wonder what happened to my Geocities page....
Edit: (http://draftjoshallen.com/rocket2.png)
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I have to admit...I feel a lot better after learning about Steven Seagal's bitcoin stuff.
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Still waiting for the pics to load on Prodigy Internet. I need to upgrade to that 56k modem.
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Have you guys seen his highlight video?
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LaGuardia airport review huh lololol
this page is priceless
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Hopefully this website works. Josh Allen in the top 5 plz
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http://DraftJoshAllen.com .
hahahahaha
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I'll admit, it's fun watching Allen launch a deep ball. We could draft him in the 7th exclusively for Hail Marys. Basically we could have a shot at the end zone from anywhere at the end of a half.
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http://DraftJoshAllen.com .
hahahahaha
Let’s goooo
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Bump
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Prrrt
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Prrrt
Shhhh. Need him to go 1 or 2.
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Josh Allen thinks better footwork will lead to better accuracy
During an appearance on Sirius XM NFL Radio with Alex Marvez and Gil Brandt, Allen said he’s been working with trainer and former NFL quarterback Jordan Palmer to improve in that area.
“I think that any time I would miss in college, it was largely due to my feet,” Allen said. “In getting with Jordan, I’ve been trying to correct my feet through every throw and make sure that I was sequencing consistently. Once my feet started to clean up, that’s when you started seeing the ball placed in the right positions.”
Allen said his schedule is “jam-packed” with meetings with teams that could consider drafting him next month. Giving them a reason to think his accuracy will rise in the NFL would help cement his spot at the top of the first round.
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^ I'm reluctantly trying to get on board the Allen hype train. It may take some time. May never happen, but if he becomes a Jet I'll be forced to hope for the best. At least he seems like a good dude.
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^ I'm reluctantly trying to get on board the Allen hype train. It may take some time. May never happen, but if he becomes a Jet I'll be forced to hope for the best. At least he seems like a good dude.
You have misinterpreted the purpose of this hype train.
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You have misinterpreted the purpose of this hype train.
Leave bo alone, he's too impressionable for this level of irony.
But seriously Josh Allen sounds great, he should not be allowed to fall to the 3rd pick.
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You have misinterpreted the purpose of this hype train.
I'm sorry, I was Josh Allen's elite arm strength confused my brain.
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Since the trade, I've been watching a lot more of Josh Allen and I will say this about him:
Allen isn't shellshocked like Christian Hackenberg and he isn't a limited system QB like Geno Smith.
I worry about Baker Mayfield's physical limitations and the system that he's coming from. I love his personality and his playmaking ability, but I've said several times already that I don't see him as a blue chip type of prospect because of these things.
Allen has elite traits. The boxes are checked for size, athleticism, and arm strength. But I don't know how smart he is as a football player and there's some glaring mechanical issues that lead to the poor accuracy.
If we take him over Sam Darnold, I'll be done with Mike Maccagnan. If we take him over Baker Mayfield, I completely understand.
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^ I'm reluctantly trying to get on board the Allen hype train. It may take some time. May never happen, but if he becomes a Jet I'll be forced to hope for the best. At least he seems like a good dude.
Just watch the 2nd half of the senior bowl on repeat.
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Since the trade, I've been watching a lot more of Josh Allen and I will say this about him:
Allen isn't shellshocked like Christian Hackenberg and he isn't a limited system QB like Geno Smith.
I worry about Baker Mayfield's physical limitations and the system that he's coming from. I love his personality and his playmaking ability, but I've said several times already that I don't see him as a blue chip type of prospect because of these things.
Allen has elite traits. The boxes are checked for size, athleticism, and arm strength. But I don't know how smart he is as a football player and there's some glaring mechanical issues that lead to the poor accuracy.
If we take him over Sam Darnold, I'll be done with Mike Maccagnan. If we take him over Baker Mayfield, I completely understand.
This is my mindset, as well.
If Darnold and/or Rosen fall to 3, then shred an ACL running to turn the pick in.
Passing on one to pick Allen and I'm not happy.
I've said before, though, IF Darnold/Rosen (my 2 "yes-homo" man crushes) are gone and the team bets on the elite physical skills of Allen rather than the "meh", 6' frame of Mayfield, and I'll understand.
FFS, Allen is not 2nd rounder Hack as a prospect. He's closer to a less-accurate Wentz or a coachable, non-sizzurp-and-donut-addicted, more mobile Jamarcus (again strictly looking at physical tools). Upside is a stronger-armed Wentz, imo (but yes, his floor is Jake Locker.....'s dog walker).
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Upside is a stronger-armed Wentz, imo (but yes, his floor is Jake Locker.....'s dog walker).
Middle ground: Blade Bottles
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If we take him over Baker Mayfield, I completely understand.
freak. That.
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2017 passer rating under pressure (of 48 draft-eligible QBs)
Mayfield 105.2 (1st)
Rudolph 94.4 (6th)
Jackson 91.7 (8th)
Falk 77.7 (17th)
Lauletta 76.6 (18th)
Darnold 73.6 (19th)
Rosen 68.4 (23rd)
White 66.8 (24th)
Allen 56.1 (33rd)
Probably a PFF generated stat, so take it with a grain of salt. It’s also worth noting I’ve read before that he faced more pressure than just about every other college QB (Darnold was close though).
Point is, these is another glaringly negative trait to add the the resume of a guy that I can’t get behind spending the #3 pick on. Really it’s more than just the #3 due to the trade up.
I would rather take a guy who’s shown he can complete passes in the face of the pass rush.
(Mason Rudolph)
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Honestly the only major thing Baker doesn't have going for him is really size. He seems like a smart kid, so I'm not as concerned about him learning NFL offenses coming from a spread. He is incredibly accurate as well.
Haven't we all been banging the table for someone that is smart and accurate? He may not have elite traits, but neither does Brees, Brady, Cousins, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Derek Carr, ect. If he was 2-3 inches taller, I think we'd be running to the podium to pick him at 3.
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Honestly the only major thing Baker doesn't have going for him is really size. He seems like a smart kid, so I'm not as concerned about him learning NFL offenses coming from a spread. He is incredibly accurate as well.
Haven't we all been banging the table for someone that is smart and accurate? He may not have elite traits, but neither does Brees, Brady, Cousins, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Derek Carr, ect. If he was 2-3 inches taller, I think we'd be running to the podium to pick him at 3.
I think the perception of non-football-type attention he will draw/create is not something a Bowles-coached team would appreciate.
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It’s also worth noting I’ve read before that he faced more pressure than just about every other college QB (Darnold was close though).
Darnold and Allen both had terrible protection. Darnold had a way more talented supporting cast, which is obvious looking at where the two guys played football.
Allen was killed by a lack of a running game and his receivers rarely found separation. His completion percentage was impacted by pressure and his supporting cast. He had a group of undersized, inexperienced receivers and a horrible, swiss cheese line.
They have two big losses heading into 2017. Brian Hill was an outstanding mid-major running back. Losing him killed Wyoming's balance. Tanner Gentry was an average wideout before Josh Allen showed up at Wyoming. Allen elevated that kid's game and basically got him to the NFL.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqRs8Z8eGA
Wyoming at Iowa shows it all. They are completed outmatched talent-wise, but he made a lot of big throws and had one big mistake and Josh Jackson made him pay for it.
His receivers are terrible and he is pressured on almost every attempt. When he's not pressured, the wideouts get no separation from coverage. Wyoming had 30 carries for 59 yards in this game. There's no balance.
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Allen throws the 5, 10, and 15 yard out better than any QB prospect I've seen since Jay Cutler. That thing is humming.
If he gets a supporting cast and some protection, I believe in him. But he is definitely a boom-or-bust prospect.
Darnold - Allen - Rosen - Mayfield
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Probably a PFF generated stat, so take it with a grain of salt. It’s also worth noting I’ve read before that he faced more pressure than just about every other college QB (Darnold was close though).
I've never been a fan of the QB rating, but QB rating in college football is completely useless.
Comparing what Baker Mayfield, Mason Rudolph, and Luke Falk do as a passers to guys like Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, and Josh Allen makes no sense. They play in completely different schemes. The route concepts and the timing are just way off.
You cannot compare Air Raid QBs to Pro Style QBs. The philosophies of those passing offenses are completely different. The timing and the route concepts are miles apart.
And are passes that are thrown away factored into this? ...because you're not going to see Air Raid guys throw the ball away very much because their reads are either pre=determined or that ball is coming out so fast that pressure does not matter. Darnold, Rosen, and Allen are hanging in the pocket making reads.
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Darnold - Allen - Rosen - Mayfield
I think this is Maccagnan’s board
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I think this is Maccagnan’s board
It should be
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The more I see that TOJ guy on twitter, the more I am okay with us drafting Allen
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Darnold - Allen - Rosen - Mayfield
This is the whole reason why I believe we traded up to 3 as early as we did and for as much as we did. Maccagnan wanted to make sure that we get one of those top-3 guys. Mayfield might as well not be on our draft board. He may not be, for all I know.
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This is the whole reason why I believe we traded up to 3 as early as we did and for as much as we did. Maccagnan wanted to make sure that we get one of those top-3 guys. Mayfield might as well not be on our draft board. He may not be, for all I know.
Trading up for Josh Allen would be a mistake. I could get behind trading up for Rosen/Darnold.
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This is the whole reason why I believe we traded up to 3 as early as we did and for as much as we did. Maccagnan wanted to make sure that we get one of those top-3 guys. Mayfield might as well not be on our draft board. He may not be, for all I know.
The jets are sure spending alot of time and resources on Mayfield
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The jets are sure spending alot of time and resources on Mayfield
I realize that. It could be due diligence or it could be in an effort to convince a team to trade ahead of us for Mayfield, pushing the quarterback we really want (Rosen or Allen) down to us.
I just can't see Maccagnan picking Mayfield at 3, given that there's no precedent for a 6' quarterback going that high and the quarterbacks that Maccagnan has invested in to date.
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The jets are sure spending alot of time and resources on Mayfield
Why wouldn’t they?
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Why wouldn’t they?
Because
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None of us have the answers and we're going to drive ourselves nuts if we spend the next five weeks trying to come up with them.
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None of us have the answers and we're going to drive ourselves nuts if we spend the next five weeks trying to come up with them.
I think I’m already there. This is taking years off my life
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This is the whole reason why I believe we traded up to 3 as early as we did and for as much as we did. Maccagnan wanted to make sure that we get one of those top-3 guys. Mayfield might as well not be on our draft board. He may not be, for all I know.
I think that’s his reasoning as well. He wanted to make sure he’d get one, even if someone moves up to 1 or 2.
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The more I see that TOJ guy on twitter, the more I am okay with us drafting Allen
I hate Josh Allen now.
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I hate Josh Allen now.
Actually, you hate Baker Mayfield now.
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freak it, just extend McCown for 5 years.
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I hate Josh Allen now.
TOJ hates Josh Allen
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TOJ hates Josh Allen
I love Josh Allen now.
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Gross
(https://i.imgur.com/N0D5TMw.jpg)
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He can DIAF
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I hate Josh Allen now.
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I'll get the jerry can and matches.
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www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jordan_palmer_on_browns_candid.html
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www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jordan_palmer_on_browns_candid.html
lets hope that happens and Palmer is right that Allen goes first.
Honestly I’ve been contemplating it, if it’s anyone but Darnold at 1, would you give the giants the 2019 #1 for their 2019 #3 and #5 to move up for Darnold? I think I might be inclined to do just that
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www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/jordan_palmer_on_browns_candid.html
Choo Choo.
Something I thought about recently with regards to Allen... if he threw/completed 3 screen passes a game during last season and completed 61% of his passes, how much would that change our opinion of him?
A couple of months ago when I watched a handful of games of his, one thing that stuck out to me was how he wasn't really given any layups or "gimme" type passes that not only pad the stats a little bit, but also can act as an extension of the running game and help get a QB in a rhythm.
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https://youtu.be/-7l5BD8SaJ0
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He can DIAF
So Josh Allen is gay......we should accept that as his life choice. Unless he goes to another team, then he can excrement thumb tacks.
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https://youtu.be/-7l5BD8SaJ0
Cam Newton is the only prospect that I can think of that was this physically gifted.
I'd take Cam over Allen every time, but both of them are generational arm talents.
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Cam Newton is the only prospect that I can think of that was this physically gifted.
I'd take Cam over Allen every time, but both of them are generational arm talents.
http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,3810.msg282683.html#msg282683
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http://www.thejetoffensive.com/index.php/topic,3810.msg282683.html#msg282683
Josh Allen isn't rushing for 1,000 yards in the SEC.
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"Josh Allen is the best quarterback in this draft. I think all of the talk about his accuracy is the most overblown thing out there. His guys don't get open, which causes a lot of the incompletions -- it's not an accuracy issue." -- NFC executive
-Zierlein
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Josh Allen isn't rushing for 1,000 yards in the SEC.
Of course.
We said basically the same thing. I just felt like being a prick since that discussion came to mind.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/stoolpresidente/status/978398694004244480
Unfuckingdraftable
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqRs8Z8eGA
Wyoming at Iowa shows it all. They are completed outmatched talent-wise, but he made a lot of big throws and had one big mistake and Josh Jackson made him pay for it.
His receivers are terrible and he is pressured on almost every attempt. When he's not pressured, the wideouts get no separation from coverage. Wyoming had 30 carries for 59 yards in this game. There's no balance.
For SFD
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https://youtu.be/14hDrw0fJZY
@ Boise State
Aside from losing on a shot play against a single high safety that made a hell of a play, Allen really didn't make any terrible decisions in this game. He missed on a lot of throws, but it's because he's either getting hit or his targets just aren't open.
He has absolutely no help. Their backs only ran for 49 yards total. Allen had just over 60 yards rushing on QB draws and on plays where he was running for his life.
He has all kinds of valid excuses for his numbers when you watch their games. He got the excrement beat out of him against Boise State. The next week he shredded New Mexico.
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https://youtu.be/14hDrw0fJZY
@ Boise State
Aside from losing on a shot play against a single high safety that made a hell of a play, Allen really didn't make any terrible decisions in this game. He missed on a lot of throws, but it's because he's either getting hit or his targets just aren't open.
He has absolutely no help. Their backs only ran for 49 yards total. Allen had just over 60 yards rushing on QB draws and on plays where he was running for his life.
He has all kinds of valid excuses for his numbers when you watch their games. He got the excrement beat out of him against Boise State. The next week he shredded New Mexico.
Obviously you are coming around to Allen. But in your eyes is he a better prospect than Darnold?
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That was a good watch, thanks. His tools are readily apparent but nothing screams top 3 draft pick to me. It’s really hard to judge him with that OL and supporting cast. I’d be interested to see what he looks like in games where he didn’t play as well.
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Obviously you are coming around to Allen. But in your eyes is he a better prospect than Darnold?
No
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I’d be interested to see what he looks like in games where he didn’t play as well.
Aside from the Oregon game, he doesn't play worse than this. These are his worst games. That's why I focused on these games.
https://youtu.be/ONvHUll0zeM
He made three of the best throws of his life in their bowl game.
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That was a good watch, thanks. His tools are readily apparent but nothing screams top 3 draft pick to me. It’s really hard to judge him with that OL and supporting cast. I’d be interested to see what he looks like in games where he didn’t play as well.
his footwork and placement is erratic, and he tried to fit it into windows that were non existent due to 0 separation from his WRs but it truly is a travesty to see a guy with those tools have absolutely 0 help. OL and WR
I went into this process liking Mayfield more than him, after watching a few hours of game tape I just feel if were going to trade up and gamble on a QB , go for broke with Allen over Mayfield if Rosen and Darnold arent there
I still have Rosen and Darnold way ahead of him. That being said in our nightmare scenario Darnold and Rosen going 1 and 2.......I just think you roll the dice on allen over mayfield.
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id say the senior bowl is a good example of what he can do with an actual supporting cast and with an upgrade of the competition the skills he has still stand out
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what stands out to me is the kid can throw 25 yard outs and still catch DB's off guard before they can sink their hips and break on the sideline
you simply cant coach that
the athleticism at his size is absurd. hes like a slightly more athletic big ben in the pocket with a stronger arm and better discipline with touch then Ben had coming out.
Like I said earlier, look at the highlights and look at his worst plays, I see more of Big Ben and Carson Wentz than Kyle Boller or JaMarcus Russell
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his footwork and placement is erratic
When he has protection, he actually has some pretty good footwork. He does a really good job of climbing in the pocket.
The problem is what you just mentioned. He has a terrible OL and his receivers cannot get open on their initial routes, so he's screwed one way or the other on most plays. Even when he has decent protection, his receivers aren't getting open so that protection eventually breaks down and he has to leave the pocket.
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When he has protection, he actually has some pretty good footwork. He does a really good job of climbing in the pocket.
The problem is what you just mentioned. He has a terrible OL and his receivers cannot get open on their initial routes, so he's screwed one way or the other on most plays. Even when he has decent protection, his receivers aren't getting open so that protection eventually breaks down and he has to leave the pocket.
well i didnt mean to imply its dirty all around . I have seen it on a few plays he has missed throws it got to a point where he almost expected pressure and no separation so he just relies on his arm to sling it in. I can see this being an issue in the NFL where guys will be able to react better.
That being said I have faith in Bates because I like Allen more than I did Cutler coming out of Vanderbilt. If Bates could do that with him in DEN I'm confident we can just have Allen hit bootlegs and quick throws all day with the occasional bomb
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Damn it guys. Stop making me change my mind about players I already made up my mind on that I knew nothing about!
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Damn it guys. Stop making me change my mind about players I already made up my mind on that I knew nothing about!
Ha. Same here. I don't have a clue who would be best but it hasn't stopped me from pretending to know.
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Ha. Same here. I don't have a clue who would be best but it hasn't stopped me from pretending to know.
So this is no different from any endeavor in your life?
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So this is no different from any endeavor in your life?
True.
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Ha. Same here. I don't have a clue who would be best but it hasn't stopped me from pretending to know.
Haha, I just keep ping-ponging back and forth. One day it's "Damn it I really hope we trade up with the Giants if the Browns take anyone but Darnold!" The next day it's "Please let Cleveland take Darnold and the Giants take Barkley so we can get Rosen!" Then it's "Mayfield over Allen, it has to be!" Now it's "Okay, guys who watch college football now say take Allen, I'm in!"
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Damn it guys. Stop making me change my mind about players I already made up my mind on that I knew nothing about!
Lamar Jackson is the greatest QB prospect I've ever seen.
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AllbrightNFL:Its weird how Cameron Coffman was able to complete 64% of his passes in the exact same offense with the same weapons and line Josh Allen had, the year before...
Case closed fellas
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Aside from the Oregon game, he doesn't play worse than this. These are his worst games. That's why I focused on these games.
https://youtu.be/ONvHUll0zeM
He made three of the best throws of his life in their bowl game.
I didn’t believe you, but you’re right. Noted.
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Case closed fellas
Cameron Coffman 2015:
SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT RAW QBR ADJ QBR
2015 152 241 1951 63.1 8.10 92 18 10 25 147.4 37.6 32.2
Josh Allen 2016:
SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT RAW QBR ADJ QBR
2016 209 373 3203 56.0 8.59 54 28 15 27 144.9 74.2 73.8
STFU Albright.
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Wyoming won two games in 2015 with Cameron Coffman. That completion percentage though.
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This made me just literally lol!
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Josh Allen didn't play in the game against San Jose State and Wyoming lost. San Jose State was 2-11. They got blown out by almost everyone on their schedule. That says a little something about how much Josh Allen was holding that turd together.
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Did that bag of excrement really round up 63.1 to 64%?
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Wyoming won two games in 2015 with Cameron Coffman. That completion percentage though.
Stats are for losers and the one thing I’d like to point out, while at Wyoming, we won games and I definitely think that’s how quarterbacks are judged in the NFL.
-Josh Allen
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Josh Allen didn't play in the game against San Jose State and Wyoming lost. San Jose State was 2-11. They got blown out by almost everyone on their schedule. That says a little something about how much Josh Allen was holding that turd together.
They also barely lost to Fresno State without him too. If he wasn’t hurt, Wyoming is probably a 10 win team.
2 wins in 2015 before he was their QB.
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Any coach who thinks he's good at his job will instantly fall in love with Allen. He seems like a great kid, and he's the best raw talent that I've probably ever seen at QB in terms of his physical tools. Coaches have to see that and drool at that potential.
I just worry because I think he busts a lot more than Rosen and Darnold do.
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Any coach who thinks he's good at his job will instantly fall in love with Allen. He seems like a great kid, and he's the best raw talent that I've probably ever seen at QB in terms of his physical tools. Coaches have to see that and drool at that potential.
I just worry because I think he busts a lot more than Rosen and Darnold do.
Right, so the real question is: Who is the more probable bust, Allen or Mayfield? I don’t think it’s a stretch to say if Darnold or Rosen are available, they would likely be the pick.
No one here has the answer, but that’s what this debate will boil down to the next few weeks.
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Any coach who thinks he's good at his job will instantly fall in love with Allen. He seems like a great kid, and he's the best raw talent that I've probably ever seen at QB in terms of his physical tools. Coaches have to see that and drool at that potential.
I just worry because I think he busts a lot more than Rosen and Darnold do.
Right, so the real question is: Who is the more probable bust, Allen or Mayfield? I don’t think it’s a stretch to say if Darnold or Rosen are available, they would likely be the pick.
No one here has the answer, but that’s what this debate will boil down to the next few weeks.
I think the real question that the Jets need to answer is which of these kids fits the best into Bates' offense. I don't care if Allen has all the raw talent in the world if he ends up being a square peg for this offense's round hole, and the same goes for the other QB prospects. Just pick the right QB that fits for what you want to do. I still think it's Rosen, because he's a blend of what Allen and Mayfield bring to the table.
In the perfect scenario, I have to trust that the Jets have done all their homework and that Duff will lean heavily on Bates' opinion on April 26th. Of course there's a some anxiety to this, because the Jets have a storied history of screwing up the QB position.
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Josh Allen got big tittays. He busty.
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I think the real question that the Jets need to answer is which of these kids fits the best into Bates' offense. I don't care if Allen has all the raw talent in the world if he ends up being a square peg for this offense's round hole, and the same goes for the other QB prospects. Just pick the right QB that fits for what you want to do. I still think it's Rosen, because he's a blend of what Allen and Mayfield bring to the table.
In the perfect scenario, I have to trust that the Jets have done all their homework and that Duff will lean heavily on Bates' opinion on April 26th. Of course there's a some anxiety to this, because the Jets have a storied history of screwing up the QB position.
But shouldn't a coach be able to adapt to the talent provided? I'd rather raw talent that we can mold, than a limited QB. It's on the team to give the kid every chance to succeed.
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But shouldn't a coach be able to adapt to the talent provided? I'd rather raw talent that we can mold, than a limited QB. It's on the team to give the kid every chance to succeed.
I understand your argument. And for the most part, I'm on board with it.
But how many QBs has this team molded in their history....do you trust them with a mound of elite QB clay? If i understand Bates' system correctly, it requires alot of short accurate passes, play-action ability and bootlegs. I think Allen has 1 out of 3. Does he have the aptitude to learn the skillset? I keep hearing rumors that Allen showed the worst when coaches asked him to draw up plays on the whiteboard and discuss them.
EDIT: I'm just playing devils' advocate here. Allen could prove me wrong (wouldn't be the first time). For once, i want the Jets to pick the best QB prospect that fits what they want to do and be successful. I don't want them to pick a guy just because he can throw 80 yards with a flick of the wrist.
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But how many QBs has this team molded in their history....do you trust them with a mound of elite QB clay? If i understand Bates' system correctly, it requires alot of short accurate passes, play-action ability and bootlegs. I think Allen has 1 out of 3. Does he have the aptitude to learn the skillset? I keep hearing rumors that Allen showed the worst when coaches asked him to draw up plays on the whiteboard and discuss them.
“Uh, yeah, Spider Y banana- great play, truly great play. Betcha I can chuck it over them mountains over there.”
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“Uh, yeah, Spider Y banana- great play, truly great play. Betcha I can chuck it over hem mountains over there. Umm, will you sign my jersey, Mr. Belichick?”
FYP
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I understand your argument. And for the most part, I'm on board with it.
But how many QBs has this team molded in their history....do you trust them with a mound of elite QB clay? If i understand Bates' system correctly, it requires alot of short accurate passes, play-action ability and bootlegs. I think Allen has 1 out of 3. Does he have the aptitude to learn the skillset? I keep hearing rumors that Allen showed the worst when coaches asked him to draw up plays on the whiteboard and discuss them.
EDIT: I'm just playing devils' advocate here. Allen could prove me wrong (wouldn't be the first time). For once, i want the Jets to pick the best QB prospect that fits what they want to do and be successful. I don't want them to pick a guy just because he can throw 80 yards with a flick of the wrist.
I see your perspective as well. This franchise hasn't gotten it right in my lifetime, I have no reason to believe it'll change. Go with the safest pick. Past failures don't dictate future failures either. I hope whichever QB they pick is the start of a dynasty.
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I see your perspective as well. This franchise hasn't gotten it right in my lifetime, I have no reason to believe it'll change. Go with the safest pick. Past failures don't dictate future failures either. I hope whichever QB they pick is the start of a dynasty.
Me too, man
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What a bunch of defeatist bundles of sticks here. My god SOJF all the way. What some regime did in the 1980's or 90's or how many pretzel M&M's Rex Ryan ate has zero bearing on this draft pick. Go do what you guys do best, blow each other.
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What a bunch of defeatist bundles of sticks here. My god SOJF all the way. What some regime did in the 1980's or 90's or how many pretzel M&M's Rex Ryan ate has zero bearing on this draft pick. Go do what you guys do best, blow each other.
thinking about this, the 'let's go eat a goddamn snack' line from rex on hard knocks seems like it was from a different lifetime
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But shouldn't a coach be able to adapt to the talent provided?
I can't think of a single coach or coordinator that can do this consistently.
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I think the real question that the Jets need to answer is which of these kids fits the best into Bates' offense. I don't care if Allen has all the raw talent in the world if he ends up being a square peg for this offense's round hole, and the same goes for the other QB prospects. Just pick the right QB that fits for what you want to do. I still think it's Rosen, because he's a blend of what Allen and Mayfield bring to the table.
In the perfect scenario, I have to trust that the Jets have done all their homework and that Duff will lean heavily on Bates' opinion on April 26th. Of course there's a some anxiety to this, because the Jets have a storied history of screwing up the QB position.
the irony is the best fits for Bates offense seem to be Allen and Mayfield hahahaha
nothing but Zone Runs, roll outs, play action, boot legs and quick passes with the occasional bomb.
that being said Rosen and Darnold are my top 2 QBs so whatever that means.......
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Without the demand that people blow each other, I agree with Puck (yeah, I hate myself for it too).
It's a SOJF attitude to think that previous results are indicators of future outcomes. Bates is a new OC. We have no idea how he'll mold whatever player they pick. You'd assume that part of convincing him to reluctantly come out of the background was having a say in who is picked though.
I'm going to have confidence in him until he gives me a reason not to. I'm going to hope that whoever is his best choice is the guy who is available at 3. It may all blow up in my face, but sitting around worrying that this team will just excrement the bed because that's what they have done before is way too defeatist.
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What a bunch of defeatist bundles of sticks here. My god SOJF all the way. What some regime did in the 1980's or 90's or how many pretzel M&M's Rex Ryan ate has zero bearing on this draft pick. Go do what you guys do best, blow each other.
i just had to talk someone off a ledge who said
THE PATS HAVE two 1sts and two 2nds with 4 in the first 95 picks. THEY WILL TRADE UP TO 2 AND DRAFT A FUTURE HOF
so yeah, i second what youre saying. after we traded to 3 people whined "I HOPE ALL THOSE MEANINGLESS WINS MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER" as if us going 0-16 and all of our roster proving they suck makes anything better
A good team will draft well regardless where they draft and until that happens we wont be good. So instead of hoping to suck our way into a solid pick we need to just hope we finally have a good GM lol
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i just had to talk someone off a ledge who said
THE PATS HAVE two 1sts and two 2nds with 4 in the first 95 picks. THEY WILL TRADE UP TO 2 AND DRAFT A FUTURE HOF
Using the draft value chart, and we all know that it goes out of the window for premium picks, but even if we ignore that inflation factor, the Patriots could go full Ditka and offer the Giants their entire draft class (23, 31, 43, 63, 120, 198, 210, 219 - total value 2248.2) and still be over 350 points short of the value of the #2 (2600). Using that chart they could probably afford Cleveland's #4 pick (1800) but the Browns don't need lots of depth, they need elite talent. Denver ain't giving up #5 if there's a QB available, and Indianapolis have already said that they want to keep a high pick (hence them trading with us for #3 and not wanting to deal with Buffalo). I reckon the first pick that's actually available to the Patriots in a trade would be Tampa's #7.
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Using the draft value chart, and we all know that it goes out of the window for premium picks, but even if we ignore that inflation factor, the Patriots could go full Ditka and offer the Giants their entire draft class (23, 31, 43, 63, 120, 198, 210, 219 - total value 2248.2) and still be over 350 points short of the value of the #2 (2600). Using that chart they could probably afford Cleveland's #4 pick (1800) but the Browns don't need lots of depth, they need elite talent. Denver ain't giving up #5 if there's a QB available, and Indianapolis have already said that they want to keep a high pick (hence them trading with us for #3 and not wanting to deal with Buffalo). I reckon the first pick that's actually available to the Patriots in a trade would be Tampa's #7.
yeah i essentially told the guy theyd have to give up a future 1st and probably more ontop of everything they have
this draft essentially brought out the SOJ mentality in a lot of people and its getting old. i'm at the point where its just, pick a freaking kid and i will root for him.
we can only have the same debates so often before we beat a dead horse
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Nobody has an SOJF mentality here. You can't change the past, and ours isn't great...that's fact. Hopefully we finally turn the corner.
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Nobody has an SOJF mentality here. You can't change the past, and ours isn't great...that's fact. Hopefully we finally turn the corner.
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Supporters say he was victimized by a poor surrounding cast and that, unlike the other top prospects, he played in an offense that didn't allow for many gimme completions. Some of that is myth. Allen threw a higher percentage of short passes than Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen, according to ESPN Stats & Information research. In fact, 30 percent of his attempts traveled zero to 5 yards in the air.
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Because he was forced to check it down on a lot of plays. Wyoming also ran a lot of bootlegs that rarely worked.
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Because he was forced to check it down on a lot of plays. Wyoming also ran a lot of bootlegs that rarely worked.
So you're saying Allen may have thrown more short route passes but it wasn't because those passes were first read decisions, they were last minute check downs which are more difficult than a bubble screen
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There is a significant dropoff after Darnold/Rosen. I'm starting to think Rosen may be the best one of them all.
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Mildly interesting. I'm not smart enough to make a call on how much it bothers me.
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/983294725099794433?s=19
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Mildly interesting. I'm not smart enough to make a call on how much it bothers me.
https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/983294725099794433?s=19
What he says makes sense. The part that scares me about him is decision making. I don't know if you can fix that. Blaming his play on shitty surrounding talent is tough. I'm sure it's some of the issue but not all. I'd rather have Mayfield than Allen, but would prefer Rosen by a mile.
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What he says makes sense. The part that scares me about him is decision making. I don't know if you can fix that. Blaming his play on shitty surrounding talent is tough. I'm sure it's some of the issue but not all. I'd rather have Mayfield than Allen, but would prefer Rosen by a mile.
The kicker there is that right at the end, you see what Allen does. It's very easy to say that the right course of action was to make the immediate throw to the receiver, but it ignores a bunch of unknowns. Was it 12 seconds from the end of the game with Wyoming down a score? Does the back have stone hands having already put the ball down four times that game? Does Allen know the backer and know that he has a tendency to overcommit to tackles, and that he can easily spin out and create room to throw downfield? Did he see that his wideout had beaten his coverage from the snap and was heading south with nothing but grass between him and the endzone?
It's easy to look at that video and say he didn't read the field, but that's far from guaranteed to be the case. He might very easily have read it and decided to take the approach he did.
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Josh Allen won with shitty supporting talent and did not have many turnovers.
Let’s not question his decision making because he didn’t check it down for once.
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He says during the video that this comes up repeatedly with Allen on tape. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.
That clip cuts off just as he's making a throw on the run. What was the result of the play? Sure, the LB blitzed and got to him, but he spun out, took a few steps forward, then threw. So maybe he made something out of nothing there.
I'm really getting to the point where I'm just going to tell myself to be excited, no matter who they pick. All 4 top QBs have potential, and it's going to come down to the job the coaches do with whoever they pick.
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He says during the video that this comes up repeatedly with Allen on tape. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.
That clip cuts off just as he's making a throw on the run. What was the result of the play? Sure, the LB blitzed and got to him, but he spun out, took a few steps forward, then threw. So maybe he made something out of nothing there.
I'm really getting to the point where I'm just going to tell myself to be excited, no matter who they pick. All 4 top QBs have potential, and it's going to come down to the job the coaches do with whoever they pick.
None of these guys are can't miss, and quite likely none have character concerns so bad that they are "can't hit" either. But are we able to pick the guy we are able to work with well enough that he can become the best player he can possibly be?
I'm starting to think the guy we can most lift up is Rosen, while Darnold might be the most likely to succeed, I feel like he might not make it here, Allen could either be the greatest pick ever or a total disaster, and Mayfield in my eyes is going to be a mid road starter, with success similar to Ryan Tannehill has had in Miami, or Mark Sanchez had with us.
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I just hope Bates gets the guy he wants.
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There is a significant dropoff after Darnold/Rosen. I'm starting to think Rosen may be the best one of them all.
Me 2. I don't get all of the complaints about asking too many questions.
Why the play is the right call
Why this is the right shift
Why this is the right progression
I get that you don't always have the time to answer every question on the field or in class, but it sounds like coaches are getting butthurt because a smart player is asking smart questions, and the coach may not know the answer, or may be wrong in their thought process.
Call it being a millennial, but I want my qb to be obsessive about the possession and being an expert. You learn by asking questions and it's easier to understand a concept than memorize it.
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Some more pot stirring....
to start NFLN's Path to the Draft today, Daniel Jeremiah said he spoke to some teams that told him to brace himself, and they think Josh Allen is going #1 to Cleveland
Gotta love the rumor mill this time of year.
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Some more pot stirring....
to start NFLN's Path to the Draft today, Daniel Jeremiah said he spoke to some teams that told him to brace himself, and they think Josh Allen is going #1 to Cleveland
Gotta love the rumor mill this time of year.
How nice would it be to KNOW you are getting Darnold or Rosen?
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I wish teams were still allowed to sign the player pre-draft like Miami did with Jake Long. Damn your flair for the dramatic, Goodell!
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How nice would it be to KNOW you are getting Darnold or Rosen?
And then end up with LUKE FALK
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And then end up with LUKE FALK
Ha. I'm quite sure that we will have Josh Rosen on the board and still take Mayfield. It's not like we all won't head straight to YouTube for draft fap videos for whoever we pick.
If it's Mayfield, I guess we could just run last year's Morton offense again since it was a bit of Air Raid and West Coast.
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Ha. I'm quite sure that we will have Josh Rosen on the board and still take Mayfield. It's not like we all won't head straight to YouTube for draft fap videos for whoever we pick.
If it's Mayfield, I guess we could just run last year's Morton offense again since it was a bit of Air Raid and West Coast.
I have decided that I feel Mayfield is going to be a middle of the road starter at best, which is why I want him the least of the 3. While Allen scares the mother freaking hell out of me, at least I can see the potential to be the best in the game. Rosen and Darnold also have significantly higher ceilings in my eyes. Which is why I want those two more than Allen/Baker.
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I just hope Bates gets the guy he wants.
Bates will tender his resignation on April 27th
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How incredible would it be if Cleveland took Allen and the Giants decided to go all-in with Eli and took Barkley?
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How incredible would it be if Cleveland took Allen and the Giants decided to go all-in with Eli and took Barkley?
It would be awesome.
I will say Duff has done an excellent job at not tipping his hand. Darnold is the only one not linked much to the Jets, frankly because it's been assumed he will go at 1 for a long time until recently. I will not be surprised if Duff takes any of the 4 QBs even if all 4 are on the board at 3.
I think I can find a way to get excited about any of the QBs if picked, but Josh Allen will be the toughest to be upbeat about.
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It would be awesome.
I will say Duff has done an excellent job at not tipping his hand. Darnold is the only one not linked much to the Jets, frankly because it's been assumed he will go at 1 for a long time until recently. I will not be surprised if Duff takes any of the 4 QBs even if all 4 are on the board at 3.
I think I can find a way to get excited about any of the QBs if picked, but Josh Allen will be the toughest to be upbeat about.
Agreed. I'll convince myself it's a good pick no matter who it is, but in order of increasing excitement, I'd probably be:
Allen (okay, that's cool, they see something there. Let's go.)
Mayfield (alright, I'm in. Let's go!)
Rosen (Yeah! Let's GO!)
Darnold (ADKJQKSLDKL!!!! HELL YEAH! LET'S freaking GO!!!!)
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There is a significant dropoff after Darnold/Rosen. I'm starting to think Rosen may be the best one of them all.
Rosen has been my No. 1 QB since before last season. Darnold is No. 2 for me, followed by Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson and then Josh Allen.
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Mason Rudolph (Leggooooo)
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I think I'd be just as happy with Rosen as Darnold.
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@dpbrugler:It was about this time last year when I started to hear Trubisky-to-Chicago whispers got louder and louder. And now it's Allen-to-Cleveland picking up steam.
Yes, it is lying season, but, like last year, sometimes the whispers prove true. Only time will tell.
Hype train picking up steam...
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Hype train picking up steam...
Let’s hope so... and I didn’t know anyone had called Trubisky to Chicago that shocked the hell out of me
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“You all laugh at me when I say it, but I think hand size is important,” G.M. John Dorsey said during a pre-draft press conference on Thursday, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “With that being said, hand size in November and December, when it’s snowing, raining, it’s getting muddy. We all know the elements in Cleveland are going to play a role.”
If hand size is important, the finger points to quarterback Josh Allen, who has the hand size to hold onto the ball. It also points away from quarterback Sam Darnold, who had 21 fumbles in 24 starts at USC.
Of course, Dorsey’s comments about hand size may have simply been aimed at getting everyone to think that Allen is the guy, when in reality he isn’t.
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http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75824/josh-allen-dishes-on-meetings-with-jets-challenge-of-new-york
prepare your bums, fellas.
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"Jets fans give away 3rd round pick to Cleveland to ensure Browns take Josh Allen at 1."
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"Jets fans give away 3rd round pick to Cleveland to ensure Browns taking Josh Allen at 1."
the radio silence involving Allen and the Jets makes me think the Jets want him pretty bad. That article basically confirms my fear.
All the chatter involving us and Mayfield smells like a major smokescreen.
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the radio silence involving Allen and the Jets makes me think the Jets want him pretty bad. That article basically confirms my fear.
All the chatter involving us and Mayfield smells like a major smokescreen.
I don't know anything anymore, not that I ever did. At this point I just hope we don't trade up for anyone.
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http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75824/josh-allen-dishes-on-meetings-with-jets-challenge-of-new-york (http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75824/josh-allen-dishes-on-meetings-with-jets-challenge-of-new-york)
prepare your bums, fellas.
This kid is clearly a freaking moron. Pass.
"Absolutely," he said Friday in a phone interview with ESPN. "They’re a couple of pieces away from winning a lot of football games. I really enjoyed the coaching staff and I think it would be a really good fit. I think they’ve got some weapons on offense and they have a really young defense that’s ready to win right now."
Regarding Christopher Johnson, acting president of the NY Jets:
"I’d say he’s different from most owners," Allen said. "He said he doesn’t want to step on any toes and he wants to be his own person. He’s very down to earth. He just wants to be known as a normal guy.
Of course he wants to be a normal guy, he is a normal guy. He's just holding his brother's beer.
At the same time, he’s the owner of one of the greatest franchises in the NFL. It was kind of cool to see the perspective he has on everything. It was a blessing to meet him."
I was wrong, he's not a moron, he's freaking stupid. #blessed
Seriously though, I wonder how serious they are about him. He seems to at least "say all the right things."
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I don't know anything anymore, not that I ever did. At this point I just hope we don't trade up for anyone.
Our current regime has proven that they can keep things under wraps quite successfully without any leaks. Which is great.
Except in this case, where the fanbase is driving itself nuts trying to figure out who the pick is.
I just hope we didn't trade up to 3 for another project QB.
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the radio silence involving Allen and the Jets makes me think the Jets want him pretty bad. That article basically confirms my fear.
All the chatter involving us and Mayfield smells like a major smokescreen.
The Mayfield stuff smells an awful lot like trying to make other teams think they can sit and wait for two of Darnold, Rosen and Allen to drop to 4/5, and deter them from trying to trade up to 2. Although if we're thinking that I'm pretty sure that most front offices are as well, because even I'm not arrogant enough to think that I know better than most of them. (A couple of them maybe. Definitely arrogant enough for that.)
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The Mayfield stuff smells an awful lot like trying to make other teams think they can sit and wait for two of Darnold, Rosen and Allen to drop to 4/5, and deter them from trying to trade up to 2. Although if we're thinking that I'm pretty sure that most front offices are as well, because even I'm not arrogant enough to think that I know better than most of them. (A couple of them maybe. Definitely arrogant enough for that.)
This draft is the biggest question mark for the top 5 or 6 picks i'd say in the last 15 years....maybe longer.
Next Thursday night will be a gong show.
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This draft is the biggest question mark for the top 5 or 6 picks i'd say in the last 15 years....maybe longer.
Next Thursday night will be a gong show.
My prediction: Darnold goes 1, Barkley goes 2. Goodell strolls up to podium.
"With the 3rd pick in the 2018 NFL draft the Jets select.... Josh............
(Entire US and Canadian power grid fails)
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My prediction: Darnold goes 1, Barkley goes 2. Goodell strolls up to podium.
"With the 3rd pick in the 2018 NFL draft the Jets select.... Josh............
(Entire US and Canadian power grid fails)
*somebody plugs in the generator*
*lights come back on*
Allen!
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the radio silence involving Allen and the Jets makes me think the Jets want him pretty bad. That article basically confirms my fear.
All the chatter involving us and Mayfield smells like a major smokescreen.
having a boner for Mayfield allows you to not have our name attached to another QB and if they have him as their 3rd best QB and lets say their 1st and 2nd ranked qbs go 1 and 2. they take him at 3 and get to tell the media they got the guy they wanted all along
its pretty genius
unless we pass on Rosen for him, ill be major butthurt, but im rooting for whoever gets the call at 3
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having a boner for Mayfield allows you to not have our name attached to another QB and if they have him as their 3rd best QB and lets say their 1st and 2nd ranked qbs go 1 and 2. they take him at 3 and get to tell the media they got the guy they wanted all along
its pretty genius
unless we pass on Rosen for him, ill be major butthurt, but im rooting for whoever gets the call at 3
I know it's ludicrous. But I've bought into the rumors that the Browns are taking Allen (hand size anyone?) and that the Giants won't get a package worth leaving Barkley/Chubb on the table, which means Darnold will be staring the Jets in the face at 3. Doesn't mean we will take him, but I honestly am starting to think he will be there.
If he's there and we pass on him for freaking Mayfield? I have no idea what my reaction will be.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who we pick, it matters how we play. So that dude had better freaking ball out and become the best damn QB in the AFCE by year 3.
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At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who we pick, it matters how we play. So that dude had better freaking ball out and become the best damn QB in the AFCE by year 3.
It'll still be Brady unless he's injured or dead.
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http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/75824/josh-allen-dishes-on-meetings-with-jets-challenge-of-new-york
prepare your bums, fellas.
The Jets did this with all 4 QBs, so I only really view this as pot stirring from the same Baker Mayfield hype stories... I honestly think Cleveland will pick him.
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The Jets did this with all 4 QBs, so I only really view this as pot stirring from the same Baker Mayfield hype stories... I honestly think Cleveland will pick him.
Cle will take Darnold
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Cle will take Darnold
Don't ruin my dreams!
Somebody was going to take Leondard Williams. Somebody was going to take Jamal Adams. Somebody was going to take Sam Darnold.
Until they didn't.
And the team that took them, was us.
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Don't ruin my dreams!
Somebody was going to take Leondard Williams. Somebody was going to take Jamal Adams. Somebody was going to take Sam Darnold.
Until they didn't.
And the team that took them, was us.
Gotta keep a level head, man....it's gonna happen.
I hope im wrong
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“Excuse Me Sir, Do You Have a Moment to Talk About Jesus Christ?”
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Lmao
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I saw that last week. What loser is compiling JV football statistics?
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I saw that last week. What loser is compiling JV football statistics?
Hobbes?
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Josh Allen says playing at Wyoming has prepared him for playing in Buffalo. Plus, "I'm a big buffalo wing guy, too."
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Just heard this interview on Sirius XM
Allen's Head Coach from Wyoming when asked "Is Josh Allen accurate?"
"When we looked at the tape and cut ups, his accuracy is not where we needed it to be. Certainly not where NFL personnel need it to be and I think it can be attributed to the flaws in his fundamentals." He then goes on and tries to make excuses for him and alleges he fixed all his flaws.
Take this train and drive it off a cliff.
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playing at Wyoming has prepared him for playing in Buffalo
Someone tell him they don't have buffalo in Buffalo.
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Someone tell him they don't have buffalo in Buffalo.
No don't...we want him to go there.
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I hope Allen goes to Denver or Arizona, because I really don’t want him in our division.
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I hope Allen goes to Denver or Arizona, because I really don’t want him in our division.
why? Buffalo doesn't have the offensive wizardry to develop QB prospects.
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why? Buffalo doesn't have the offensive wizardry to develop QB prospects.
Because I believe in him. And if he gets some time, he can be really, really good.
I’d rather not play against him or Rosen or Mayfield twice a year.
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Because I believe in him. And if he gets some time, he can be really, really good.
I’d rather not play against him or Rosen or Mayfield twice a year.
Perhaps, but i don't think he'll develop in Buffalo under that coaching staff. McDermott has a hard time naming starting QBs to begin with.
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Perhaps, but i don't think he'll develop in Buffalo under that coaching staff. McDermott has a hard time naming starting QBs to begin with.
I think a coaching staff’s role in developing a pro QB is a bit overrated.
Supporting cast is more important to me than scheme. I think all of these guys are smart enough and talented enough to play. Every QB needs help.
Buffalo’s roster is in disarray but if he’s able to sit behind McCarron for a while the chances are better for success.
They have a lot of picks to get better if they don’t move up. If they trade up and give everything for a QB, I think that kid (whoever it is) is screwed.
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I think a coaching staff’s role in developing a pro QB is a bit overrated.
Supporting cast is more important to me than scheme. I think all of these guys are smart enough and talented enough to play. Every QB needs help.
Buffalo’s roster is in disarray but if he’s able to sit behind McCarron for a while the chances are better for success.
They have a lot of picks to get better if they don’t move up. If they trade up and give everything for a QB, I think that kid (whoever it is) is screwed.
we're probably taking Allen.
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we're probably taking Allen.
Chubb time.
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Because I believe in him. And if he gets some time, he can be really, really good.
I’d rather not play against him or Rosen or Mayfield twice a year.
definitely
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Adam Schefter
Verified account @AdamSchefter
8m8 minutes ago
A theory two people in the past hour now have floated: another team plotted to have Josh Allen’s racially insensitive tweets put out just before the draft in order to increase the chances he would fall in the draft to that team.
I love draft day
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I love draft day
freaking Buffalo
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freaking Buffalo
I wouldn't put it past Tanny or Bucktooth Elway either.
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Were there more tweets besides the "if it's not white" one?
You guys know I love call-out culture but so far that just makes me think "oh that's stupid". Not super reprehensible.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Two notes: 1. Teams have been told some of Allen's tweets were quoting song lyrics and movie or TV show scenes. Others were meant to be jokes to friends. But he did send them. 2. Teams have been reticent to judge Allen based on tweets from high school.
Sounds like it won't affect much.
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....it's gonna happen.
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haha
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we're probably taking Allen.
He's going 1st overall so shut the freak up.
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He's going 1st overall so shut the freak up.
Minkah Fitzpatrick is
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@nfldraftscout:Hearing there are #Jets coaches making a late push for Josh Allen. Buckle up, folks.
Adding onto this: Jeremy Bates is a big Josh Allen fan. He has a lot of influence in that draft room.
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Our coaches are retarded and must be saved from themselves.
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Please God no.
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Remember when Marty Mornhinweg convinced the previous administration to draft Geno Smith? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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Remember when Marty Mornhinweg convinced the previous administration to draft Geno Smith? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I already hear MB with the Fire Bowles chants
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If Allen is the pick over Rosen or Darnold I may have an aneurysm. I can understand Allen if only Mayfield is on the board (although I strongly disagree)... but damn. I was feeling good up until that damn tweet. freak you Matt Miller.
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@nfldraftscout:Hearing there are #Jets coaches making a late push for Josh Allen. Buckle up, folks.
Adding onto this: Jeremy Bates is a big Josh Allen fan. He has a lot of influence in that draft room.
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I'm not sure I'll be able to handle it if Darnold or Rosen is there and the Jets pick Allen. I know I won't be able to handle it if both are there and they pick Allen.
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You lot are a like a bunch of teenage virgins on prom night desperately wondering whether you'll get past first base.
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@nfldraftscout:Hearing there are #Jets coaches making a late push for Josh Allen. Buckle up, folks.
Adding onto this: Jeremy Bates is a big Josh Allen fan. He has a lot of influence in that draft room.
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Remember when Marty Mornhinweg convinced the previous administration to draft Geno Smith? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
We were making up for nobody listening to Terry Bradway when he insisted we draft Russell Wilson.
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i've been telling you guys all along that Allen will be the pick...prepare your bums.
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1 more hour of the workday...then i can go home and drink myself into oblivion.
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I already hear MB with the Fire Bowles chants
Bowles?
your whole city should burn.
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Bowles?
your whole city should burn.
Look on the bright side, if we draft Josh Allen then the Bombers will get a shot at a good prospect in three years' time.
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Look on the bright side, if we draft Josh Allen then the Bombers will get a shot at a good prospect in three years' time.
you are the diet pepsi of bright sides, sir.
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Jets have been rumored to each of the supposed top 4 QBs recently, except Allen (until today). Wouldn't surprise me if he were the smokescreen. Or maybe this is the smokescreen of the other smokescreen.
All I know is that I don't like Josh Allen as an NFL prospect. I don't think he's accurate. I don't like his footwork. I don't like the way he reads the field. I don't like his decision making.
I love his arm, his mobility, his size, and his balance. Those four traits are as good as any quarterback I've ever watched. But I can't get over all the negatives above. If we take him, I hope we can coach him up and turn him into a star, since he does have that potential. I just would bet against him ever fulfilling that potential.
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Jets have been rumored to each of the supposed top 4 QBs recently, except Allen (until today). Wouldn't surprise me if he were the smokescreen. Or maybe this is the smokescreen of the other smokescreen.
All I know is that I don't like Josh Allen as an NFL prospect. I don't think he's accurate. I don't like his footwork. I don't like the way he reads the field. I don't like his decision making.
I love his arm, his mobility, his size, and his balance. Those four traits are as good as any quarterback I've ever watched. But I can't get over all the negatives above. If we take him, I hope we can coach him up and turn him into a star, since he does have that potential. I just would bet against him ever fulfilling that potential.
I don't like the fact that we may have traded away three 2nd round picks for "raw potential".
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Josh Allen is a mid-round prospect.
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This thread can die now.
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you are the diet pepsi of bright sides, sir.
Yo, best of both worlds. The Bombers still get their new QB in three years, plus he'll have experience of playing in an ice-covered wilderness.
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This thread can die now.
My job here is done.
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https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/989931431819345920
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Lorenzo Alexander is pissed about the tweets. This could be a disaster already.
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Lorenzo Alexander is pissed about the tweets. This could be a disaster already.
Too bad IK Eminemkapaloli isn't there anymore.
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Too bad IK Eminemkapaloli isn't there anymore.
I went to check the correct spelling after I posted this and found this story that I either didn't know about, forgot about, or just didn't read the whole thing before.
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13519161/buffalo-bills-ik-enemkpali-punched-man-thought-was-woman-arranged-sex-according-police-report
According to the police report, on Sept. 1, 2011, Enemkpali began exchanging messages with a new Facebook friend named "Missy Lee," who offered to perform oral sex on Enemkpali if he would come over to her house. He told police that after he entered the house through a side door, he saw a figure inside "covered head-to-toe in a blanket," and the person would not remove the blanket. "Enemkpali stated that he felt uneasy about the situation, so he left," the report states.
But Enemkpali returned to the house after "Missy Lee" called him and convinced him to come back. When he arrived, the person wearing the blanket still refused to remove it and refused to turn on the lights. When a cellphone in the room rang, "the screen lit up the room enough to see that the person under the blanket had facial hair," the report states. Enemkpali said another person had also entered the room.
"Enemkpali stated that he felt that he was being 'set up' for a robbery of some type," the police report states. "Enemkpali stated that fearing for his safety, he then struck the subject in the blanket. Enemkpali stated that after he struck this person, their voice changed to that of a male. Enemkpali stated that he then left the residence through the window."
Enemkpali told police he started receiving threatening texts in which "Missy Lee" accused him of punching her and knocking out her teeth. "U are going to jail," read one of the texts. He offered $500, but "Missy Lee" demanded $1,000 or the police would be called. "He [Enemkpali] would be 'finished' if that happened." The texts were followed by phone calls from someone claiming to be the father of "Missy Lee" and demanding payment.
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Police traced the phone numbers to a man named Ketryn Anderson, who initially lied to police but eventually admitted to reaching out to Enemkpali via Facebook and later posing as the father of "Missy Lee" on the phone, the report states. He denied hiding under a blanket but did say he refused to turn on the lights. Anderson "stated that he was not attempting to extort money from Enemkpali, only to get him to pay for the damage he had done to his face." The officer noted Anderson was missing two front teeth.
Anderson, 34, declined comment to Outside the Lines when reached Tuesday, saying he would not talk about the incident unless ESPN paid him. He is listed on Facebook as a senior pastor and founder of Life Community Church in Shreveport, Louisiana.
Amazing.
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lmao
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Lorenzo Alexander is pissed about the tweets. This could be a disaster already.
hahahahahahahahaaaaa
i'm sorry, there is no way a dude that looks like josh allen could ever get away with saying the N word, no matter what his excuse is for it.
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hahahahahahahahaaaaa
i'm sorry, there is no way a dude that looks like josh allen could ever get away with saying the N word, no matter what his excuse is for it.
i mean, he was quoting song lyrics. to me the worst tweet of them all was the reply of "if it aint white, it aint right"
lol thats way worse than being a 14 or 15 yr old quoting pop rap
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Lorenzo Alexander is pissed about the tweets. This could be a disaster already.
I was thinking "Who gives a freak about Lorenzo Alexander's opinion?" but apparently the Bills made him a team captain after the first good season of his generally terrible 10+ year career.
LolBills. Looking forward to three seasons of schadenfreude dipped in Buffalo wing sauce.
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Jamal Adams
Verified account
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2h2 hours ago
More Jamal Adams Retweeted Jack Williams
Can’t wait to catch passes from one of my fav QB’s!
https://twitter.com/actionjack69/status/991029829465190401
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Savage
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Jaguars (suspended) CB Jalen Ramsey to @GQMagazine on Bills rookie QB Josh Allen: "I think Allen is trash. I don't care what nobody say. He's trash. It's gonna show too. That's a stupid draft pick to me. We play them this year, and I'm excited as hell."
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Jaguars (suspended) CB Jalen Ramsey to @GQMagazine on Bills rookie QB Josh Allen: "I think Allen is trash. I don't care what nobody say. He's trash. It's gonna show too. That's a stupid draft pick to me. We play them this year, and I'm excited as hell."
Haha
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I hope Josh Allen burns him, but the Bills still lose. I can't stand cocky players unless they are on my team. Even then I don't like it. I know it's probably a positive at that position but I still don't like cocky people.
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I hope Josh Allen burns him, but the Bills still lose. I can't stand cocky players unless they are on my team. Even then I don't like it. I know it's probably a positive at that position but I still don't like cocky people.
I agree. It's one thing to be cocky. Jamal Adams is cocky. Darrelle Revis was cocky. But Ramsey's comments are dickish bullshit. Talk about yourself all you want, because then you have to back up your mouth on the field. But STFU about other guys. I hope Allen burns him 15 times when they play for 4 TDs. I also hope it's the only game the Bills win.
EDIT: Let me correct that. I also hope they beat New England twice. 3 wins.
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.@MizzouFootball QB Drew Lock on being compared to Josh Allen: If I could get picked where Josh Allen got picked (seventh overall), I’d be happy. ... He’s a starting QB in the @nfl, so I’m OK with that comp. #SeniorBowl
Lmao
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https://twitter.com/alltwentytwo/status/1263179894919278592?s=21
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https://twitter.com/alltwentytwo/status/1263179894919278592?s=21
That’s pretty funny
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I thought that was really good.
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It makes Allen sound a lot like the next Matt Stafford except not a knobhead.
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https://twitter.com/alltwentytwo/status/1263179894919278592?s=21
"Stops playing QB like your 13-year-old cousins plays Madden"
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https://twitter.com/mims3ra/status/1274810443580792832?s=21
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https://twitter.com/mims3ra/status/1274810443580792832?s=21
it's like he was told the 40 would be judged on how straight and upright his posture was during the run lmfao
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https://twitter.com/pff_seth/status/1283802877207678976?s=21
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https://twitter.com/pff_seth/status/1283802877207678976?s=21
Should be accompanied with 10 accuracy. my god that's an embarrassing highlight reel
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https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/1287561435657183234?s=10
LMAO
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https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1341803204397453314?s=21
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why? Buffalo doesn't have the offensive wizardry to develop QB prospects.
Told ya so (and I freaking hate it).
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Told ya so (and I freaking hate it).
Fack!
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https://twitter.com/marcus_mosher/status/1341803204397453314?s=21
Who tf charts JV stats
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Who tf charts JV stats
Josh Allen’s dad cause he shoulda made varsity that year but the coach was a dick
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My Josh Allen's Accuracy Will Never Improve rants are apparently in some other thread but I'll eat my massive share of crow here.
freak Josh Allen, freak the Buffalo Bills, freak all of you, and freak me most of all.
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Damn, I wouldn't want to play the Bills in the playoffs. I hate saying that.
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My Josh Allen's Accuracy Will Never Improve rants are apparently in some other thread but I'll eat my massive share of crow here.
freak Josh Allen, freak the Buffalo Bills, freak all of you, and freak me most of all.
It doesn't help when the opposition have absolutely freak all pass rush and he can stand there all day waiting for Diggs to get open.
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It doesn't help when the opposition have absolutely freak all pass rush and he can stand there all day waiting for Diggs to get open.
Translation: Ike Boettger in for Brian Winters.
Seriously though, that last TD pass where Allen ran to his left then pulled up and fired a dart was a hell of a throw.
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My Josh Allen's Accuracy Will Never Improve rants are apparently in some other thread but I'll eat my massive share of crow here.
freak Josh Allen, freak the Buffalo Bills, freak all of you, and freak me most of all.
I don't like Josh Allen...he coached up too much.
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https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/1519692663989100544?s=21&t=OMiKx1BZRiAX-rySlbtYGg