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The Rest Of The Sports World => Designated Hitters Make Baseball Better => Topic started by: MBGreen on December 11, 2017, 07:31:56 AM
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Press conference scheduled for 2 PM today
Winter meetings open up today. Can't wait to see the Jays sit on their thumbs again.
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Press conference scheduled for 2 PM today
Day off today so I can masturbate without making anyone uncomfortable
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Winter meetings open up today. Can't wait to see the Jays sit on their thumbs again.
If the jays are truly gonna rebuild/reload, they should trade Donaldson before he hits FA next year.
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If the jays are truly gonna rebuild/reload, they should trade Donaldson before he hits FA next year.
totally agree. Sadly, Atkins thinks our window hasn't closed yet (stupid freak)....so he'll probably do something stupid.
I'm prepared for some lean years.
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If the jays are truly gonna rebuild/reload, they should trade Donaldson before he hits FA next year.
There's already quite a bit of talk about that up here. I'm inclined to agree, it's a good way to jump start the rebuild - we're stuck with Tulo and Martin's $35M+ because no one is taking on those albatrosses, but if we could turn Donaldson into a starter and a couple of really good prospects then we probably should.
There's also talk of Rogers looking at selling the team which complicates things, and on top of all that the Skydome is starting to show its age and they're going to have to start planning its replacement soon.
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There's already quite a bit of talk about that up here. I'm inclined to agree, it's a good way to jump start the rebuild - we're stuck with Tulo and Martin's $35M+ because no one is taking on those albatrosses, but if we could turn Donaldson into a starter and a couple of really good prospects then we probably should.
There's also talk of Rogers looking at selling the team which complicates things, and on top of all that the Skydome is starting to show its age and they're going to have to start planning its replacement soon.
This will have a direct correlation on FAs signing here or not. Nobody wants to commit to a team if there's a big question mark at the top of the mountain.
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This will have a direct correlation on FAs signing here or not. Nobody wants to commit to a team if there's a big question mark at the top of the mountain.
For sure, but it will also impact thinking about existing contracts - Rogers will find it easier to sell for a higher price if the roster isn't bogged down with a ton of expensive veterans.
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For sure, but it will also impact thinking about existing contracts - Rogers will find it easier to sell for a higher price if the roster isn't bogged down with a ton of expensive veterans.
I hope they sell, tbh. To an owner with deep pockets committed to building a winner that isn't a conglomerate like Rogers.
The quicker the better.
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I hope they sell, tbh. To an owner with deep pockets committed to building a winner that isn't a conglomerate like Rogers.
The quicker the better.
Plus we can throw that freaking statue in the lake.
I honestly don't know who would be interested in buying the team, but I'm not at all worried about it. We must be one of the most valuable franchises in the league simply because of the size of the market.
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Plus we can throw that freaking statue in the lake.
I honestly don't know who would be interested in buying the team, but I'm not at all worried about it. We must be one of the most valuable franchises in the league simply because of the size of the market.
the potential is there for this franchise to be successful and profitable, because of reasons you just stated (size of market, fan interest). I'd like to think there are some rich folks in the Toronto area with the kind of capital to purchase the Jays.
I'm not really worried about it, if they can get a quick sale. If they drag this excrement out, it could affect how the Jays front office do their business. I already put up with free agents not wanting to play for my NHL franchise...it would suck if my baseball team had to put up with the same excrement.
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I suppose we hijacked this thread.
We can continue lamenting in the mlb thread.
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Have either of you guys heard the timeline on Vlad Jr? I would be timing the rebuild around him. He’s a potential cornerstone, franchise player. I think Bichette is a little farther off. if they shed the old players with expensive contracts they should be fine in a year or two.
Also that guy Teoscar Hernandez (Liriano trade?) looked like an absolute stud in limited time at the end of the season.
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Have either of you guys heard the timeline on Vlad Jr? I would be timing the rebuild around him. He’s a potential cornerstone, franchise player. I think Bichette is a little farther off. if they shed the old players with expensive contracts they should be fine in a year or two.
Also that guy Teoscar Hernandez (Liriano trade?) looked like an absolute stud in limited time at the end of the season.
Vlad and Bichette are at least 2 years away yet.
Hernandez looked great in limited action. Getting him for Liriano was a steal. Hopefully that translates for an entire season....we'll see.
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I suppose we hijacked this thread.
We can continue lamenting in the mlb thread.
Seemed like a good opportunity to kick off the new season thread.
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Seemed like a good opportunity to kick off the new season thread.
good work
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This is nice:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cole-hamels-donates-9-75-million-mansion-special-needs-camp-195304752.html
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I freaking hate Cole Hamels. Stupidly good looking, talented, rich and generous. What an poopchute.
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I freaking hate Cole Hamels. Stupidly good looking, talented, rich and generous. What an poopchute.
Lol I would have sold it and said freak the kids.
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Evan Longoria to the Giants
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Evan Longoria to the Giants
glad to see him out of the AL East.
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glad to see him out of the AL East.
He'll be back as a DH when he's too old to play baseball.
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He'll be back as a DH when he's too old to play baseball.
You have to figure he's loving the idea of a long vacation from competitive play going to the NL West. That should extend his viability by years.
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glad to see him out of the AL East.
You and me both. He killed the Yankees.
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You have to figure he's loving the idea of a long vacation from competitive play going to the NL West. That should extend his viability by years.
He won't be competitive when he faces Kershaw, we know that much.
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Mets extend Sandy Alderson
http://www.espn.com.au/mlb/story/_/id/21830933/new-york-mets-extend-gm-sandy-alderson
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Mets extend Sandy Alderson
http://www.espn.com.au/mlb/story/_/id/21830933/new-york-mets-extend-gm-sandy-alderson
RIP
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RIP
You died?
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You died?
if I were a mets fan, yes I did.
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if I were a mets fan, yes I did.
This from a fan of the BlueJerks...the Washington Generals stooge team to the Pinstriper Globetrotters
LOL
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This from a fan of the BlueJerks...the Washington Generals stooge team to the Pinstriper Globetrotters
LOL
other than the "LOL", your post isn't readable by anyone above a grade 2 education.
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other than the "LOL", your post isn't readable by anyone above a grade 2 education.
You guys should download a Sg3 translation package from Rosetta Stone, Google Translate doesn't translate old baboon.
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You guys should download a Sg3 translation package from Rosetta Stone, Google Translate doesn't translate old baboon.
when I read his posts...I feel like I'm in a lab coat trying to communicate with apes.
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other than the "LOL", your post isn't readable by anyone above a grade 2 education.
Probably because you have a lower than grade 2 education, eh
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You guys should download a Sg3 translation package from Rosetta Stone, Google Translate doesn't translate old baboon.
There's a Miamipuck version but it's only for sale on Christopher Street
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There's a Miamipuck version but it's only for sale on Christopher Street
In your leather fetish store? Thanks I'll pass.
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when I read his posts...I feel like I'm in a lab coat trying to communicate with apes.
He's JO's Caesar.
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Hey look
The two resident JO a$$holes hanging up and attacking another poster for daring to root for his baseball team
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Hey look
The two resident JO a$$holes hanging up and attacking another poster for daring to root for his baseball team
Actually, it's the illiterate gibberish you're posting that we're poking fun at...not your chosen fandom.
In addition to you not being able to write, we can add your inability to read to the pile now too.
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Respectfully submitted with all due kindness.
Please GFY
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Hey look
The two resident JO a$$holes hanging up and attacking another poster for daring to root for his baseball team
What baseball team are you a fan of? To the untrained eye it appears you’re a full time Yankees troll
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https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/12/21/darryl-strawberry-sex-addiction-dr-oz-between-innings-during-games
Legend
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What baseball team are you a fan of? To the untrained eye it appears you’re a full time Yankees troll
Even a total retard such as you should be able to figure this out.
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Even a total retard such as you should be able to figure this out.
Reported
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Since the trade in 2014:
Yangervis Solarte .270/.326/.424 (.750 OPS, 106 OPS+), 6.1 WAR
Chase Headley .262/.339/.387 (.727 OPS, 96 OPS+), 7.7 WAR
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Giants trade for McCutchen
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jays sign Curtis Granderson.
see u guys in 2019.
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Red Sox headed to arbitration with Mookie Betts
Betts’ representatives made a bold request of $10.5 million, while the Red Sox came in far below, at $7.5 million.
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Red Sox currently have a bottom 5 farm system - Baseball America
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Shi DavidiVerified account @ShiDavidi · 15m15 minutes ago
#BlueJays acquire Randal Grichuk from #Cardinals for RHP Dominic Leone and prospect Conner Greene
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Ben Nicholson-SmithVerified account @bnicholsonsmith · 5m5 minutes ago
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. ranks 3rd on @BaseballAmerica's list of top 100 prospects. Bo Bichette ranks 8th #BlueJays
Blue Jays are the only team with 2 prospects in the top 10.
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Ben Nicholson-SmithVerified account @bnicholsonsmith · 5m5 minutes ago
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. ranks 3rd on @BaseballAmerica's list of top 100 prospects. Bo Bichette ranks 8th #BlueJays
Blue Jays are the only team with 2 prospects in the top 10.
Inb4 Shatkins trades both for a utility outfielder, a middle reliever and cash considerations.
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Inb4 Shatkins trades both for a utility outfielder, a middle reliever and cash considerations.
Only way either of those guys are getting traded is for a chris sale type player.
Although... is this the same GM that traded Syndergaard for RA Dickey?
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Only way either of those guys are getting traded is for a chris sale type player.
Although... is this the same GM that traded Syndergaard for RA Dickey?
No, that was Anthopoulos.
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Jays are def set up well for a run a few years from now, I’ll be interested to see what moves they make with their veterans and how they structure their roster going forward.
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Red Sox:
Jay Groome coming in at number 83 on the @BaseballAmerica Top 100 is the lowest the club's top prospect has ever ranked in that publication's ranking, dating back to 1990.
Groome is about 19 years old, has a total of 17 minor league games pitched over 2 years, and is 2-3 years away from the majors. The future is bright.
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Only way either of those guys are getting traded is for a chris sale type player.
Although... is this the same GM that traded Syndergaard for RA Dickey?
No...that rube is calling the shots for the Braves now.
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Ben Nicholson-SmithVerified account @bnicholsonsmith · 5m5 minutes ago
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. ranks 3rd on @BaseballAmerica's list of top 100 prospects. Bo Bichette ranks 8th #BlueJays
Blue Jays are the only team with 2 prospects in the top 10.
There's no earthly reason why I opened this thread. I am so happy I did though, to read inspiring hopeful news about a team I couldn't give three shits about. Man I am going to go celebrate.
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There's no earthly reason I opened this thread. I am so happy I did though, to read inspiring hopeful news about a team I couldn't give three shits about. Man I am going to go celebrate.
you're welcome.
have an A1 Day! /WaltJr
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Apparently MLB pressured Cleveland into removing the Chief Wahoo insignia from their uniforms due to racism, this will happen in 2019.
I'm not sure why there's an uproar, it's a cartoon pic of a smiling native American. I could think of much worse to take offense to.
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Apparently MLB pressured Cleveland into removing the Chief Wahoo insignia from their uniforms due to racism, this will happen in 2019.
I'm not sure why there's an uproar, it's a cartoon pic of a smiling native American. I could think of much worse to take offense to.
So they'll no longer be "Wahoo Indians"?
The Braves used to have Chief Nokahoma dancing around a tepee in the left field seats. I'm thinking they couldn't get away with that now.
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I'm not sure why there's an uproar, it's a cartoon pic of a smiling native American. I could think of much worse to take offense to.
I don't understand why anyone would disapprove of the change, especially anyone with no ties to the team.
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I don't understand why anyone would disapprove of the change, especially anyone with no ties to the team.
it's not the change, it's the motive behind it. It's a cartoon Native American smiling. If there was a bottle of booze hanging out of its mouth, I would agree it should be changed. If you really want to make a change, impeach your president.
Might as well ban all Bugs Bunny cartoons as well...so much racism.
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Got my hat a couple years ago when I first caught wind of these rumors. One of my favorite hats growing up, I loved that logo lol.
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Got my hat a couple years ago when I first caught wind of these rumors. One of my favorite hats growing up, I loved that logo lol.
I think it's great too. Despite having zero ties to the team. lol
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People are oversensitive pussies. Tbese teams weren't created to disparage anyone, what sense would that even make?
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it's not the change, it's the motive behind it. It's a cartoon Native American smiling. If there was a bottle of booze hanging out of its mouth, I would agree it should be changed. If you really want to make a change, impeach your president.
Might as well ban all Bugs Bunny cartoons as well...so much racism.
lol people have to remember that they're native americans, not indian
there are a lot of reasons why the name/logo are offensive, and that's one of the more absurd ones which i have rarely seen mentioned
they're depicting them in a goofy manner and then calling them the wrong thing completely
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lol people have to remember that they're native americans, not indian
there are a lot of reasons why the name/logo are offensive, and that's one of the more absurd ones which i have rarely seen mentioned
they're depicting them in a goofy manner and then calling them the wrong thing completely
Use the tribe name you ignoramus
Some people have rejected both of these terms. Dr. Michael Yellow Bird, Assistant Professor and Director of the Office for the Study of Indigenous Social and Cultural Justice in the School of Social Welfare at the University of Kansas, considers both terms, American Indian and Native American, to be “oppressive, ‘counterfeit identities.’” He prefers the terms indigenous peoples or First Nations peoples to either American Indian or Native American.3
In most circles, however, the terms American Indian and Native American are both considered acceptable and, while there are people who feel strongly that one term or the other is more appropriate, they are often used interchangeably. There seems to be some agreement among American Indian people that the use of either term is acceptable — according to a 1995 census survey, 49.76 percent of American Indians preferred that term, compared to 37.35 percent preferring Native American and much smaller numbers preferring other terms.4 Most modern style guides also list both terms as acceptable options, noting that, when possible, writers should refer to the name of a specific tribe instead of using one of these umbrella terms.5
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People are oversensitive pussies.
Yeah, lots of crying in this thread over a logo change.
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Yeah, lots of crying in this thread over a logo change.
#RedLivesMatter
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Does the logo even matter that much if they keep their name as the Indians? Pointless move.
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Does the logo even matter that much if they keep their name as the Indians? Pointless move.
the Cleveland Blueberry Blonds sounds so much better.
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Does the logo even matter that much if they keep their name as the Indians? Pointless move.
Keep the name Indians and change the logo to a smiling Apu.
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This MLB Free Agency situation is fascinating.
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https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/blue-jays-continue-sneaky-good-offseason-with-jaime-garcia/
Dont give up hope just yet JE!!!
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https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/blue-jays-continue-sneaky-good-offseason-with-jaime-garcia/
Dont give up hope just yet JE!!!
is gibbons still employed? yes?
nothing to see here
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https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/blue-jays-continue-sneaky-good-offseason-with-jaime-garcia/
Dont give up hope just yet JE!!!
I hadn't even clocked that we signed Granderson.
I haven't seen enough of Garcia to have an opinion, but I do like that it takes Biagini out of the rotation. He's an excellent guy to bring out of the pen when the starter pukes down himself in the first two innings, but he was horrible as a starter himself.
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I hadn't even clocked that we signed Granderson.
I haven't seen enough of Garcia to have an opinion, but I do like that it takes Biagini out of the rotation. He's an excellent guy to bring out of the pen when the starter pukes down himself in the first two innings, but he was horrible as a starter himself.
5 yrs ago...id be excited about signing Granderson
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MLB approved shorter commercial breaks, from 2:25 per half inning to 2:05.
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5 yrs ago...id be excited about signing Granderson
Fangraphs breaks it down perfectly. You signed a bunch of quality major league guys that have the potential to get hot for a season/playoff run. They also didn’t hand out any long term deals and aren’t committed to any of these guys, so if it’s not working by the trade deadline they can blow it up no problem, and pivot the strategy around Vlad and Bichette. I’ll give them credit for not just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and let the Red Sox and Yankees battle it out for the division.
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Fangraphs breaks it down perfectly. You signed a bunch of quality major league guys that have the potential to get hot for a season/playoff run. They also didn’t hand out any long term deals and aren’t committed to any of these guys, so if it’s not working by the trade deadline they can blow it up no problem, and pivot the strategy around Vlad and Bichette. I’ll give them credit for not just sitting their with their thumbs up their asses and let the Red Sox and Yankees battle it out for the division.
the window is closing for us....and gibbons is the sg3 of MLB managers.
forgive me for seeing what this really is
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Breaking: JD Martinez and Red Sox are moving close to a deal. not done yet. details not known yet.
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the window is closing for us....and gibbons is the sg3 of MLB managers.
forgive me for seeing what this really is
Wait you guys had a window?
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Wait you guys had a window?
yep
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Wait you guys had a window?
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Brent Honeywell has been diagnosed with a torn right ulnar collateral ligament and it's been recommended he undergo Tommy John surgery.
The initial diagnosis for Honeywell was a strained right forearm, but as doctors looked at him further the bad news was discovered. It's obviously a huge bummer, as Honeywell is one of the best pitching prospects in the game and had been slated to play a big role with the Rays this season. As it is, he now will obviously miss the entire 2018 season and will probably get a late start to 2019, as well.
Sucks, this guy was on track to be an ace and has one of the nastiest changeups I’ve ever seen.
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Sucks, this guy was on track to be an ace and has one of the nastiest changeups I’ve ever seen.
his nickname is the Air Conditioner.
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Sucks, this guy was on track to be an ace and has one of the nastiest changeups I’ve ever seen.
That’s the same injury Johan Santana had. I know he’s a lot younger but that’s a tough one to come back from.
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Dom Smith was late today and as punishment was scratched from the lineup.
Not a good look
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How are you late to baseball?
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How are you late to baseball?
You take the Whitestone.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/PitcherList/status/969708191805267969/video/1
Wow
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https://mobile.twitter.com/PitcherList/status/969708191805267969/video/1
Wow
I'm excited to see him pitch. I haven't really been paying much attention to Ohtani after the Angels got him.
Are they going to use him in their rotation or bring him out of the pen?
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I'm excited to see him pitch. I haven't really been paying much attention to Ohtani after the Angels got him.
Are they going to use him in their rotation or bring him out of the pen?
Using him as a multi-inning weapon out of the bullpen is a really intruiguing idea, and as far as I know it’s still on the table for the Angels. It may make him easier to deploy as a hitter too, but I haven’t heard what their plan is for that yet.
He’ll be a starter. He has ace potential, and even as an above average starter he would most likely carry more value than an elite reliever.
I had heard a lot about his fastball and how it should play up well here, but his breaking pitches are absolutely filthy. His slider is a frisbee, he was dropping curveballs into the strike zone from the heavens, and the strikeout on the splitter- the bottom fell right out of the pitch and seemingly jumped into the dirt out of his hand. Struck out 8 of 12 batters he faced yesterday. Absolutely filthy stuff and break on his pitches I had a hard time finding a comparison to at first watch.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/PitcherList/status/969708191805267969/video/1
Wow
Wow is right.
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Ichiro signing with the Mariners. I like this.
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Blue Jays have signed Tyler Clippard.
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Blue Jays have signed Tyler Clippard.
the season of bums continues....
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https://fightthenewdrug.org/kansas-city-royals-and-fight-the-new-drug/
Kansas City delenda est.
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Vlad Jr and Bo Bichette had their MLB debuts v Baltimore today. Vlad had 4 hits in 5 ABs, Bo had 2 from 3 with 2 RBI.
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Minor League Baseball announces new pace of play rules including: Extra innings will begin with runners on 2nd base at ALL levels of the minors, beginning this year.
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Shohei Ohtani batting in Spring Training:
2 for 20 with 7 Ks, 0 XBH
Shohei Ohtani pitching in Spring Training:
2.2 IP, 9 H, 2 BB, 5 K, 3 HRA, 8 ER, 27.00 ERA
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Shohei Ohtani batting in Spring Training:
2 for 20 with 7 Ks, 0 XBH
Shohei Ohtani pitching in Spring Training:
2.2 IP, 9 H, 2 BB, 5 K, 3 HRA, 8 ER, 27.00 ERA
"Eppler said the Angels have given no assurances to Ohtani that he will be on the opening-day roster. "
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mlb/status/978812481534558210
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A legend is (re)born.
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That was very cool.
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First pitch of Marlins opening game. Home run. Lol.
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nice win for the giants yesterday, freak the dodgers
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Apparently MLB pressured Cleveland into removing the Chief Wahoo insignia from their uniforms due to racism, this will happen in 2019.
I'm not sure why there's an uproar, it's a cartoon pic of a smiling native American. I could think of much worse to take offense to.
The Chief Wahoo debate continues... two rallies are planned downtown tomorrow before the Indians home opener. A pro-chief rally and an anti-chief rally. I'll tell you about that and if the rough weather will impact the game! Opening day preview all morning on @fox8news
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When evaluators talk about Vladimir Guerrero Jr., names like Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera and Manny Ramirez come up as comparisons. All three won batting titles and were the best all-around hitters in the game at their peaks, and Guerrero is right in line with his jaw-dropping mix of strike-zone discipline, pitch recognition, bat speed, feel for the barrel and power potential. While he’s not the same level of athlete as his Hall of Fame father, he might end up being an even better hitter, a frightening concept considering Vlad Sr. hit .318/.379/.553 in his 16-year career and never once batted below .290
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His bat is just unreal for his age and level.
Long-term I'm a little concerned about how much weight he carries and his ability to stick at third, from a very limited first look he does not look fluid in the field at all. I really hope the Jays stash him in AA all year, I want to see him (and Bo Bichette) in person this summer, but they aren't in town till August.
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His bat is just unreal for his age and level.
Long-term I'm a little concerned about how much weight he carries and his ability to stick at third, from a very limited first look he does not look fluid in the field at all. I really hope the Jays stash him in AA all year, I want to see him (and Bo Bichette) in person this summer, but they aren't in town till August.
Where’s the jays AA team located? Are you around Toronto?
I’m about 15 minutes from Hartford’s new AA stadium, went to a couple AA games last year when the Trenton Thunder were in town and got to see some legit prospects.
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Where’s the jays AA team located? Are you around Toronto?
I’m about 15 minutes from Hartford’s new AA stadium, went to a couple AA games last year when the Trenton Thunder were in town and got to see some legit prospects.
New Hampshire Fisher Cats. Google tells me they're actually located in Manchester.
I feel pretty sure that Vlad's going to be in Buffalo at some point this year anyway.
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I’m about 15 minutes from Hartford’s new AA stadium, went to a couple AA games last year when the Trenton Thunder were in town and got to see some legit prospects.
I'm in Maine, around a five minute walk from the Red Sox AA team. Try and catch any big-name prospects and also a few AA Mets games every year.
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I'm in Maine, around a five minute walk from the Red Sox AA team. Try and catch any big-name prospects and also a few AA Mets games every year.
Good stuff.
You should come to the tailgate next year. Only price of admission is bringing all of the beer from every Portland brewery and putting up with my belligerent derriere passing out on you/punching you in the chest every time we kick a field goal. Also your ticket plus parking pass
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You should come to the tailgate next year. Only price of admission is bringing all of the beer from every Portland brewery and putting up with my belligerent derriere passing out on you/punching you in the chest every time we kick a field goal. Also your ticket plus parking pass
only ever been to a single game in person, but being belligerently hit does make it sound appealing
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Red Sox No. 1 prospect 3B Michael Chavis banned 80 games for PEDs ble.ac/2JqaNzj
Their farm system is really bad. This guy is an all power prospect too haha.
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Shohei Ohtani batting in Spring Training:
2 for 20 with 7 Ks, 0 XBH
Shohei Ohtani pitching in Spring Training:
2.2 IP, 9 H, 2 BB, 5 K, 3 HRA, 8 ER, 27.00 ERA
Ohtani now on a three game homerun streak.
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Ohtani now on a three game homerun streak.
449 ft tonight
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https://mobile.twitter.com/bluejayhunter/status/982784372871868417
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https://mobile.twitter.com/bluejayhunter/status/982784372871868417
It's good to see that the league has finally mandated that the ugly queynte cover up his face so he doesn't scare the children.
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Ohtani averaging 97.1 on his fastball, 3rd best in MLB. Opponents hitting 0-19 off his splitter. He’s the best story in baseball this year by far.
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2. Bryce Harper’s .357/.535/1.000 line, which is saying something. Because Harper is on one of his jags to start the season, and it’s one hell of a way to commence the mother of all contract drives.
Publicly, Harper is not thinking that way. He will not talk about his impending free agency. Will not acknowledge the frenzy that will be in full force seven months from now. Will not address it in the least. Privately, this sort of start stokes fear in the teams that know they’re going to be in the sweepstakes. Because if this is Bryce Harper … if he has evolved into the paragon of patience we’ve seen with 13 walks against five strikeouts … if his home run stroke, which with six gives him more than the entire rosters of the Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Rays, Tigers, Royals and Marlins, remains true … well, if all that happens, the contract talks start with a 4 and feature eight more digits.
The 1.535 OPS might not last, but the fundamental evolution of Harper at 25 years old very well could.
-Jeff Passan
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It's good to see that the league has finally mandated that the ugly queynte cover up his face so he doesn't scare the children.
Rangers manager Jeff Banister indicated after Monday's game against the Angels that Rougned Odor (hamstring) is likely to be placed on the disabled list.
Odor aggravated a left hamstring injury on Monday that he initially hurt earlier this month. He'll be re-evaluated Tuesday before a final decision on his status is made, but the 10-day DL looks like a given here. It would put Jurickson Profar in line to play second base for the Rangers for a while.
Justice for that dumb derriere leg kick.
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I hope it goes gangrenous.
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I'm trying to think of another player as universally despised as Odor. Canseco post-career, maybe. Maybe ARod? But even with ARod there were people all over the place who at least respected him. Even Bonds was liked outside his home city by some people.
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Leavy presented the Marlins with an offer of $200,000 for three years of four Diamond Club seats behind home plate, figuring a 10 percent discount for the Marlins' lack of stars and a 10 percent discount for paying everything up front.
Leavy said he paid $250 per ticket per game last year for his best seats. The Marlins came back asking for $260 for those seats over three years.
After an awkward face-to-face with new team owner Derek Jeter at Jeter's first town hall, the two never had another conversation. Leavy said Marlins representatives came to his office to discuss a deal but, according to Leavy, wound up only insulting him.
"They said that I did nothing for the team, I don't promote the Marlins, nobody buys season tickets because of me, nobody buys advertising because of me, and they don't care what I do," Leavy said.
Lmaooooo.
Marlins Man is “signing” with the Detroit Tigers.
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I'm trying to think of another player as universally despised as Odor. Canseco post-career, maybe. Maybe ARod? But even with ARod there were people all over the place who at least respected him. Even Bonds was liked outside his home city by some people.
AJ Pierzynski
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AJ Pierzynski
Yeah, maybe. Varitek too? He may have gotten a little respect around the league for leading that group of knuckleheads though.
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you just hate varitek cause of the yankees.
pierzynski is a world renowned poopchute. and hes a whiny lady garden too. i've never heard of someone liking him.
bonds was a prick too, but he never presented himself as anything but.
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you just hate varitek cause of the yankees.
pierzynski is a world renowned poopchute. and hes a whiny lady garden too. i've never heard of someone liking him.
bonds was a prick too, but he never presented himself as anything but.
Honestly, my memory of Varitek isn't clear, and certainly could be influenced by being a Yankees fan. I just remember him being the ringleader of the proud douchebag crew.
Pierzynski, yeah.
Bonds wasn't disliked by teammates (or maybe even most of the players around the league). I'm sure many clean guys had a problem with him, but the vast majority of the dislike of him came from his outright belligerence towards the media.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2769847-report-974-fans-attended-rays-vs-white-sox-game-at-guaranteed-rate-field
Only 974 fans showed up for the White Sox/Rays game. Lol.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DacSr8fW0AA4TLb.jpg)
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2769847-report-974-fans-attended-rays-vs-white-sox-game-at-guaranteed-rate-field
Only 974 fans showed up for the White Sox/Rays game. Lol.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DacSr8fW0AA4TLb.jpg)
It was 28 degrees and I don’t blame them
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Home Run - John Ryan Murphy - Arizona Diamondbacks (2) Solo
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Bonds wasn't disliked by teammates (or maybe even most of the players around the league). I'm sure many clean guys had a problem with him, but the vast majority of the dislike of him came from his outright belligerence towards the media.
Ya, I might ask Jeff Kent how his teammates feel about him.
World class player, world class poopchute.
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FWIW I always liked Bonds because he was awesome to watch. Didn't care about his personality.
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Shohei Ohtani Swinging Strike %: 23.5
(Through 2 starts, 13 IP)
2018 Leaderboard:
Shohei Ohtani: 23.5%
Gerrit Cole: 19.6%
Chris Sale: 19.5%
Pat Corbin: 17.9%
Max Scherzer: 17.6%
Dylan Bundy: 17.1%
2017:
Kluber: 15.6%
Scherzer: 15.5%
Tanaka: 15.1%
Sale: 14.9%
Kershaw: 14.1%
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Jays / Cleveland games yesterday and today postponed because of the weather. If only there were some way of building ballparks in such a fashion as to prevent weather being a problem.
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Jays / Cleveland games yesterday and today postponed because of the weather. If only there were some way of building ballparks in such a fashion as to prevent weather being a problem.
No one wants to watch baseball inside
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No one wants to watch baseball inside
If only someone would invent a way to make a stadium be open or closed depending upon the weather.
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Blue Jays twitter yesterday after the second postponement in two days in Cleveland:
(https://i.imgur.com/ETDhJOV.png)
Blue Jays twitter today after ice has been falling from the CN Tower all morning, some of which has damaged the roof of the dome:
The Toronto Blue Jays are currently working with CN Tower and Toronto Police Service to assess the conditions around Rogers Centre and the viability of playing tonight’s game against the Kansas City Royals.
We will continue to assess the situation and provide an update shortly.
https://twitter.com/BlueJays/status/985920907637022720
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22 postponements so far this season, there was 25 in total all of last year.
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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/royals-pitcher-blaine-boyer-bus-ice-windshield-glass-wheel-toronto-weather-mlb
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Jays are 12-5...wtf
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Jays are 12-5...wtf
We've played exactly one game against a team that's currently better than .500, an 8-4 win in Cleveland. Let's get excited when we've actually played a decent team.
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We've played exactly one game against a team that's currently better than .500, an 8-4 win in Cleveland. Let's get excited when we've actually played a decent team.
i don't get excited until late August.
Besides, playoff hockey is on.
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If Gibbons sends down Teoscar Hernandez in favor of Kendrys Morales, JE will have strict orders to burn down Gibbons' house.
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Grandy with the walk off to put the Red Sox on a three game losing streak. Happ and Tepera pitched beautifully; unusually Osuna gave up two runs in the 9th to let them tie it up.
You're welcome, AL East.
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Grandy with the walk off to put the Red Sox on a three game losing streak. Happ and Tepera pitched beautifully; unusually Osuna gave up two runs in the 9th to let them tie it up.
You're welcome, AL East.
I switched over to NESN after the game. Their feed cut out after the 1st pitch to Granderson. It was a screen saying “we are experiencing technical difficulties” with the radio audio and then all of a sudden the announcer was just like “uhhh game overrr”.
Best thing ever.
I can confirm that anyone that was watching the NESN feed on cable experienced the same thing. Just pure awesome.
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Also, nice play by Granderson gunning down Nunez at the plate as the go ahead run in the 9th
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Also, nice play by Granderson gunning down Nunez at the plate as the go ahead run in the 9th
It was a great throw, but a terrible call by the third base coach. Grandy might be 37 but he still has a good arm, the runner wasn't even close to home when Martin caught it.
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Marlins took 2/3 from the Dodgers in LA
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Marlins took 2/3 from the Dodgers in LA
Fake news
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Marlins took 2/3 from the Dodgers in LA
Dodgers are struggling right now. Jansen hasn't found his groove, the only one who hits when Kershaw pitches is Kershaw.
Luckily it's a long season, last year they started 9-11 and won over 100 games.
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well youre coming to sf, so hows a few wins sound?
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Joey Gallo hit 50 home runs before he hit 50 singles
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https://mobile.twitter.com/j_nyy/status/990331481850429440
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well youre coming to sf, so hows a few wins sound?
Like a f*cking pipe dream right now. Our bullpen at the moment is hot garbage.
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Corey Seager needs tommy johns
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Corey Seager needs tommy johns
Yup. Elbow issues dating back to last year.
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Josh Hader struck out 39 of 54 batters faced in April
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Josh Hader struck out 39 of 54 batters faced in April
I saw a highlight reel on Twitter this morning. He's ridiculous.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/baueroutage/status/991339034034233344
Well this is super interesting
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https://mobile.twitter.com/baueroutage/status/991339034034233344
Well this is super interesting
Wow. He needs to air that laundry.
FTR, I think pitchers should be allowed to use something for grip. Hitters are allowed to use pine tar. But currently, it's illegal, and if that's the secret to Houston's success?
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Wow. He needs to air that laundry.
FTR, I think pitchers should be allowed to use something for grip. Hitters are allowed to use pine tar. But currently, it's illegal, and if that's the secret to Houston's success?
Let me get this right. You don't like batters celebrating home runs but you're totally good with pitchers gaining an artificial advantage when gripping the ball?
You're odd, man.
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Let me get this right. You don't like batters celebrating home runs but you're totally good with pitchers gaining an artificial advantage when gripping the ball?
You're odd, man.
Hitters are allowed an unnatural grip on the bat, and that's okay. When it's 50 degrees out, the pitcher is at a big disadvantage because his grip is crap. Even without pine tar a hitter gets the advantage of batting gloves in that situation.
I also love great pitching more than great hitting. I'm certainly not in the majority on that one.
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Hitters are allowed an unnatural grip on the bat, and that's okay. When it's 50 degrees out, the pitcher is at a big disadvantage because his grip is crap. Even without pine tar a hitter gets the advantage of batting gloves in that situation.
I also love great pitching more than great hitting. I'm certainly not in the majority on that one.
But they're not comparable situations. The tar is used to prevent the bat from slipping out of the batter's hands, in the case of a pitcher tar would be used to change the way the ball behaves in flight.
I wouldn't have a problem with a pitcher wearing a glove on their throwing hand as long as it doesn't have any surface designed to impart an unnatural behaviour on the ball e.g. rubber ridges, but I doubt that any pitcher would want to wear a glove.
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But they're not comparable situations. The tar is used to prevent the bat from slipping out of the batter's hands, in the case of a pitcher tar would be used to change the way the ball behaves in flight.
I wouldn't have a problem with a pitcher wearing a glove on their throwing hand as long as it doesn't have any surface designed to impart an unnatural behaviour on the ball e.g. rubber ridges, but I doubt that any pitcher would want to wear a glove.
Tar would be used to allow a pitcher to keep his grip on the ball. That's not really different from tar being used by a batter to keep the bat in his hand.
Obviously, getting that extra grip becomes an advantage to the pitcher, because pitches are all about grip/release. But again, I'm a bigger fan of pitching than hitting, so I'm okay with it.
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Tar would be used to allow a pitcher to keep his grip on the ball. That's not really different from tar being used by a batter to keep the bat in his hand.
Obviously, getting that extra grip becomes an advantage to the pitcher, because pitches are all about grip/release. But again, I'm a bigger fan of pitching than hitting, so I'm okay with it.
But tar would transfer to the ball, creating unnatural and unpredictable flight in a pitch. At that point you're moving away from the battle of skills and turning it into a random event. Surely you would hate that? You should.
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But tar would transfer to the ball, creating unnatural and unpredictable flight in a pitch. At that point you're moving away from the battle of skills and turning it into a random event. Surely you would hate that? You should.
Not really. If you followed the Bauer thread SFD posted, someone was talking about how foreign substances would actually slow down the ball.
The issue isn't about getting a substance on the ball, it's about grip. Yes, it's a bit of a competitive advantage, but in the cold weather, the hitter gets a significant advantage because the cold forces a worse grip for the pitcher, so it's not fair the other way.
Personally, I'd rather see a pitcher be able to perform at his best. If the hitter gets fooled on a nasty slider, so be it, even if that slider was only nasty because the pitcher's grip was at its best.
The reality is, every pitcher uses something to improve grip. Pay attention to every time a pitcher touches the brim of his hat, or rubs his hand on his thigh. I think Bauer is trying to expose something that takes it to the next level--like possibly a new substance.
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The reality is, every pitcher uses something to improve grip. Pay attention to every time a pitcher touches the brim of his hat, or rubs his hand on his thigh. I think Bauer is trying to expose something that takes it to the next level--like possibly a new substance.
Flubber
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Flubber
Robin Williams' contributions to humanity will never end.
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Not really. If you followed the Bauer thread SFD posted, someone was talking about how foreign substances would actually slow down the ball.
Right, but that's the point. Ever watch cricket? If you do, notice how between every delivery the bowler is rubbing the ball on his pant leg - they're continually shining one side of the ball while allowing the the other one to get roughed up, because the difference in air friction on each side causes the ball to move and swing in midair. There have been loads of instances, including one very public one recently with the Australian cricket team, of bowlers illegally using grit or tape or saliva made sticky with candies to accentuate the rough side, and the exact same thing can happen with a baseball - make one part of the ball interact differently with the air and now you're able to get different types of movement using grips that you shouldn't be able to get that movement with, and what's more the movement is enhanced the faster the ball is thrown. What if a pitcher was able to throw a 92mph curveball? I reckon they could with tar.
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Right, but that's the point. Ever watch cricket? If you do, notice how between every delivery the bowler is rubbing the ball on his pant leg - they're continually shining one side of the ball while allowing the the other one to get roughed up, because the difference in air friction on each side causes the ball to move and swing in midair. There have been loads of instances, including one very public one recently with the Australian cricket team, of bowlers illegally using grit or tape or saliva made sticky with candies to accentuate the rough side, and the exact same thing can happen with a baseball - make one part of the ball interact differently with the air and now you're able to get different types of movement using grips that you shouldn't be able to get that movement with, and what's more the movement is enhanced the faster the ball is thrown. What if a pitcher was able to throw a 92mph curveball? I reckon they could with tar.
Even with that, I'd still be in favor of it. The pitcher still has to fool the hitter into swinging at the curveball.
Just a decade ago, throwing a pitch 100MPH was unheard of, and seemingly no professional hitter could catch up to it. Today, there are numerous pitchers who can throw that fast, and practically every hitter can make contact with that speed. Hitters would adjust.
Just in the interest of full disclosure, my oringal desire for allowing something to be used for grip was cold-weather pitching--somthing that concerns teams in the AL East. I never really thought about it for full-time use. I'd have no problem with it being regulated by the umpires too.
But I also would have no problem if guys were allowed to use a specific substance full-time to improve their grip. I love watching nasty pitching.
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Even with that, I'd still be in favor of it. The pitcher still has to fool the hitter into swinging at the curveball.
Just a decade ago, throwing a pitch 100MPH was unheard of, and seemingly no professional hitter could catch up to it. Today, there are numerous pitchers who can throw that fast, and practically every hitter can make contact with that speed. Hitters would adjust.
Just in the interest of full disclosure, my oringal desire for allowing something to be used for grip was cold-weather pitching--somthing that concerns teams in the AL East. I never really thought about it for full-time use. I'd have no problem with it being regulated by the umpires too.
But I also would have no problem if guys were allowed to use a specific substance full-time to improve their grip. I love watching nasty pitching.
OK, but the vast majority of fans want to watch big dongs, not wicked pitching, and so that's what MLB wants to serve. And again, you're replacing skill with skullduggery if you're allowing the pitcher to change the ball's characteristics in any way. The art of pitching is what they do with the ball, not to the ball.
You do raise a very interesting point though about batters being allowed to use tar; what about a NL pitcher who is the third out of the inning and then goes straight to the mound? Does he have to try and clean his hands before he can go pitch? Or is this just another example of why the National League is an inferior version of the sport?
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Kershaw 6 IP, 2 ER, leaves with the lead, bullpen blows it again.
Could be an off year, we were due for one.
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OK, but the vast majority of fans want to watch big dongs, not wicked pitching, and so that's what MLB wants to serve. And again, you're replacing skill with skullduggery if you're allowing the pitcher to change the ball's characteristics in any way. The art of pitching is what they do with the ball, not to the ball.
You do raise a very interesting point though about batters being allowed to use tar; what about a NL pitcher who is the third out of the inning and then goes straight to the mound? Does he have to try and clean his hands before he can go pitch? Or is this just another example of why the National League is an inferior version of the sport?
This obviously goes without saying, but yes.
As for pine tar, Buster Olney was discussing it on Twitter. Basically, he was saying everyone is doing it and baseball needs to address it.
The real key to me is that MLB needs to do some research to determine a substance that provides tackiness without giving a completely unfair advantage such as altered flight (like you discussed). I believe Heismanberg once mentioned he used to mix sweat with suntan lotion to provide grip. Once MLB decides on an acceptable substance, they can level the playing field.
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Ichiro "transitioning out of playing and into an advisory role" with Seattle.
And so ends a fantastic career.
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Dodgers no-hit Padres with 4 pitchers.
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Kershaw to the DL with left bicep tendinitis, 10-day for now.
The hits keep coming.
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Vlad Jr is hitting .398 on the season and .468 in his last twelve games.
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/diamondbacks/2018/05/01/arizona-diamondbacks-dan-haren-thriving-secret-weapon-diamondbacks-pitchers-mlb/571669002/
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John Lott of The Athletic reports that Blue Jays closer Roberto Osuna was arrested Tuesday morning and charged with assault on a woman, per Toronto Police.
Details are scarce right now, but Lott added in a story that Osuna is scheduled to appear in court on June 18. The Blue Jays have yet to issue as a statement on the the arrest. MLB will investigate the matter and per the domestic violence policy, Osuna can be suspended even if he isn't convicted.
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The blue jays got no hit by a Canadian, in Canada.
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Not that I would ever defend the blue jays but James Paxton has basically been randy Johnson reincarnate the last 2 weeks.
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To cheer JE up:
http://www.weei.com/articles/column/reimer-red-sox-brink-disaster-david-price
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To cheer JE up:
http://www.weei.com/articles/column/reimer-red-sox-brink-disaster-david-price
I don't bear any ill will towards Price. I'm glad we didn't pay that much for a player with his playoff record, and I'm entirely happy for the Red Sox to have the problem, but I don't wish failure on the guy himself. Although getting paid $31M a year to not pitch isn't really a failure.
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(http://i65.tinypic.com/2jam6o4.jpg)
Joey Gallo shift. He grounded out.
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(http://i65.tinypic.com/2jam6o4.jpg)
Joey Gallo shift. He grounded out.
Why would you not just bunt there? You're pretty much guaranteed the base hit as long as you can keep it fair.
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Why would you not just bunt there? You're pretty much guaranteed the base hit as long as you can keep it fair.
Bunt it well enough where it travels far up the line and you could make a double out of it.
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Robinson Cano fractured a bone in his hand when he was HBP.
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Bunt it well enough where it travels far up the line and you could make a double out of it.
Bellinger does that, he's gotten doubles out of it.
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Bellinger does that, he's gotten doubles out of it.
There's no reason not to. I understand (and even agree with) the idea that the whole shift thing is out of control and messes with the integrity of the game, but it's not illegal, so guys should adjust. If they over-shift on you, steal the hit. Do it often enough, and they'll stop shifting--or you'll just keep inflating your batting average.
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Why would you not just bunt there? You're pretty much guaranteed the base hit as long as you can keep it fair.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/why-joey-gallo-actually-not-bunting-against-the-shift-makes-a-lot-of-sense/
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I understand (and even agree with) the idea that the whole shift thing is out of control and messes with the integrity of the game,
Grrr. Hate that argument. Setting the field to account for a particular batter is surely a core part of the game?
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https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/why-joey-gallo-actually-not-bunting-against-the-shift-makes-a-lot-of-sense/
I don't agree with this bit at all:
If Jeff Banister had Gallo bunt every time he took the plate, A.J. Hinch doesn't have to worry about that part of the lineup in the same way.
If Bannister had Gallo bunt every time he shifts the field and it meant that Gallo was getting to first consistently, he'd stop shifting the field. First base off a bunt is no different to first base off a ground ball.
The real issue is that Gallo's excrement at bunting, so instead of saying "hey, maybe I should practice my bunts a bit more if they're going to keep giving me field settings that are an automatic base hit" we promote the argument that a top batter shouldn't have to be versatile and just keep swinging against an unfavourable field? Pah.
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I don’t disagree one way or another, the only thing I’ll say is that Joey gallo is a shitty excuse for a baseball player who’s literal only value is hitting HRs. I posted earlier this year in this thread when he reached 50 career HRs before 50 career singles. If he could learn to bunt consistently maybe it would work but he is one of the worst contact hitters I’ve ever seen so I woildnt be surprised if it’s not viable.
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The only way to beat a shift is to hit against it. Whether that's via a home run, or going the opposite way (including bunting). The argument against the bunt seems to be reliability. It's not exactly ideal to rely on the home run either.
According to http://deadcatsbounce.blogspot.com/2010/02/average-mlb-plate-appearances-by.html (http://deadcatsbounce.blogspot.com/2010/02/average-mlb-plate-appearances-by.html) a #2 hitter should get about 744 at-bats per year. The very best single-season HR performance in any spot was 73. That's less than one in 10 of those at-bats.
If he hits a home run, he could attempt a bunt 9 straight at-bats afterward, and it still shouldn't negatively affect his overall performance. If he attempts 9 straight bunts though, at least one or two should roll fair just by accident, so even if he's a terrible bunter, he should improve his overall performance by attempting to lay down a few on an extreme overshift.
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It's tough enough to hit a baseball at all, let alone aim where you hit it. That being said, it would be tough to see that shift and not at least think about taking a shot at the opposite field. An ugly ground ball is a sure single. I also agree with the philosophy of just hitting the ball as hard as you can and don't worry about where it goes.
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It's tough enough to hit a baseball at all, let alone aim where you hit it. That being said, it would be tough to see that shift and not at least think about taking a shot at the opposite field. An ugly ground ball is a sure single. I also agree with the philosophy of just hitting the ball as hard as you can and don't worry about where it goes.
Bunting is a learnable skill. Swinging for opposite-field hits is definitely tough, but even a poor bunt against that shift is more effective than swinging. Even if he had an all-time great home run season, he'd still only be hitting them once every 10.19 at-bats. We're literally talking him repeating Bonds' feat--aided by steroids.
That's lower than a .100 average. I just don't see how an argument can be made against pushing a few bunts until they give you back a reasonable share of your side of the field. I certainly can't speak for everyone, but I know the arguments I've seen are like mine. It's not about becoming a full-time bunter. It's just doing it enough to make it clear that any over-shift that gives up enough space for him to do it is going to result in him attempting to bunt for a hit.
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It's tough enough to hit a baseball at all, let alone aim where you hit it. That being said, it would be tough to see that shift and not at least think about taking a shot at the opposite field. An ugly ground ball is a sure single. I also agree with the philosophy of just hitting the ball as hard as you can and don't worry about where it goes.
A professional hit has some control over it. Bellinger came up as a rookie and in his first or second game started taking advantage of the shift with check swings and bunts. Still ended up with 39 HRs after a late April call-up.
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The only way to beat a shift is to hit against it. Whether that's via a home run, or going the opposite way (including bunting). The argument against the bunt seems to be reliability. It's not exactly ideal to rely on the home run either.
According to http://deadcatsbounce.blogspot.com/2010/02/average-mlb-plate-appearances-by.html (http://deadcatsbounce.blogspot.com/2010/02/average-mlb-plate-appearances-by.html) a #2 hitter should get about 744 at-bats per year. The very best single-season HR performance in any spot was 73. That's less than one in 10 of those at-bats.
If he hits a home run, he could attempt a bunt 9 straight at-bats afterward, and it still shouldn't negatively affect his overall performance. If he attempts 9 straight bunts though, at least one or two should roll fair just by accident, so even if he's a terrible bunter, he should improve his overall performance by attempting to lay down a few on an extreme overshift.
In this scenario you have a guy that hits a HR every 10 at bats, and you want him to start bunting?
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Bunt it well enough where it travels far up the line and you could make a double out of it.
https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballcentrai/status/985571303351619584
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In this scenario you have a guy that hits a HR every 10 at bats, and you want him to start bunting?
I guess I didn't make my point clearly enough.
What I'm saying is, he'd have to have a historically good HR-hitting season in order for him to hit .100, and all of it being home runs. That overshift is designed so that no matter where he hits it in his personal range, someone is going to be there to turn it into an out. The only two ways to beat it are to put it over the fence, or send it the other way (in this argument, via bunting).
Would you be okay with a guy who hit 73 home runs, who literally made an out in every single one of his other 671 at-bats? I wouldn't. Maybe a #9 hitter who was a remarkable defender, but even then I'd question his value.
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I guess I didn't make my point clearly enough.
What I'm saying is, he'd have to have a historically good HR-hitting season in order for him to hit .100, and all of it being home runs. That overshift is designed so that no matter where he hits it in his personal range, someone is going to be there to turn it into an out. The only two ways to beat it are to put it over the fence, or send it the other way (in this argument, via bunting).
Would you be okay with a guy who hit 73 home runs, who literally made an out in every single one of his other 671 at-bats? I wouldn't. Maybe a #9 hitter who was a remarkable defender, but even then I'd question his value.
He wouldn’t hit .100 though. Joey Gallo has a .222 BAIBP this year even with that ridiculous overahift.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/baseballcentrai/status/985571303351619584
That was about as perfect a bunt as you'll see, but why were they pitching to him at 86mph in an obvious bunt situation? Maybe they should have pitched underarm just to make it a bit easier for him?
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He wouldn’t hit .100 though. Joey Gallo has a .222 BAIBP this year even with that ridiculous overahift.
I took it as this was the first time there had been such an extreme shift, so the sample size would be minuscule right now. If it works though, and it did, other teams will likely copy it.
He's not hitting 73 homers regardless of shift or no shift. I was using the 1-in-10 for illustrative purposes to make the point that, if your 3 choices are:
1) hit into the shift for an out
2) hit home runs all the time
3) bunt once in a while to reduce the frequency and depth of the shift
Your best bet is do some of 3 to allow you to get hits other than HRs when pulling the ball.
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I took it as this was the first time there had been such an extreme shift, so the sample size would be minuscule right now. If it works though, and it did, other teams will likely copy it.
He's not hitting 73 homers regardless of shift or no shift. I was using the 1-in-10 for illustrative purposes to make the point that, if your 3 choices are:
1) hit into the shift for an out
2) hit home runs all the time
3) bunt once in a while to reduce the frequency and depth of the shift
Your best bet is do some of 3 to allow you to get hits other than HRs when pulling the ball.
If Joey Gallo had 744 ABs last year, he would have hit 68 HRs. He hit a HR every 10.95 ABs.
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That was about as perfect a bunt as you'll see, but why were they pitching to him at 86mph in an obvious bunt situation? Maybe they should have pitched underarm just to make it a bit easier for him?
John lackey hung a curveball. Breaking balls are harder to bunt than fastballs. That one wasn’t because it hung and Cano went out and got it while it was up in the zone. The intended strategy there was to get Cano to roll over on it and ground out into the shift.
Of course, that’s a horrendous strategy. Cano is one of the best all fields hitters in the game and one of the players you should never shift on.
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If Joey Gallo had 744 ABs last year, he would have hit 68 HRs. He hit a HR every 10.95 ABs.
What's his spray chart look like though? I'm basing my argument here on that specific shift. I assume it was because whatever data Houston had, it said he almost exclusively pulls the ball. If that's the case, he's either going to hit a home run, or create an out.
Actually, I went and looked it up. And my point was strongly supported. He's a home run, or an out in that shift.
https://www.mlb.com/news/statcast-extreme-pull-oppo-hitters-2017/c-262687474 (https://www.mlb.com/news/statcast-extreme-pull-oppo-hitters-2017/c-262687474)
Joey Gallo, Adam Duvall
Gallo (LHB): 50.4 percent overall pull rate, 70.8 percent ground-ball pull rate
Duvall (RHB): 81 of 125 ground balls to pull side
Gallo had one of the strangest seasons by a qualified hitter in 2017, finishing with more homers (41) than singles (32), joining Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire as the only ones to do so in MLB history. One reason for that: He hit into the teeth of the shift so often that if the ball didn't clear the fence, it was an out.
Gallo was the only hitter with at least 200 tracked batted balls who pulled more than half of them -- 50.4 percent -- and his ground-ball pull rate was even higher, with an incredible 70.8 percent of his grounders going to the right side. That was the highest ground-ball pull rate in the Majors, just ahead of Matt Carpenter's 69-percent clip.
(https://content.mlb.com/assets/images/4/9/6/262688496/cuts/800x448/cut.png)
So I maintain, he should bunt once in a while, just to move some of that shift away.
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What's his spray chart look like though? I'm basing my argument here on that specific shift. I assume it was because whatever data Houston had, it said he almost exclusively pulls the ball.
You’re finally starting to figure out who Joey Gallo is. Extreme pull, very low contact, very high strikeout. Many players have had this profile before but he’s the most extreme case I’ve ever seen. I’m actually surprised he made it as a major leaguer, there were quite a few years where he looked like a AAAA player because he couldn’t hit a lick every time he got called up. He doesn’t have that approach because he thinks it’s an effective way to play baseball. It’s his only option at being a “productive” player with his skillset. Have you ever seen Gallo bat? Take a look at his cartoon character stance and the way he sells out for a HR with every swing. He managed to put up 3.0 WAR in 2017 despite offering nothing in the field, and OPS’d .870 despite his inability to hit the ball. He would have been 6th in WAR and 3rd in OPS on the 2017 Yankees.
Joey Gallo isn’t going to change his approach at the plate. It’s the only thing he’s good at and the only way he’s going to stick in the MLB. You said it yourself- the shift has 0 effect on HRs. Joey Gallo only cares about hitting HRs, and apparently he feels that he has to swing out of his shoes every time to do so.
If that's the case, he's either going to hit a home run, or create an out.
You keep saying this, but it’s not true, proven by very simple stats that have already been stated in this thread.
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Alio, before you respond, answer this:
What is the value of a bunt single compared to a home run?
What about a home run with 2 guys on base?
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Vlad Jr. is batting .405
Matter of time before he’s called up.
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Alio, before you respond, answer this:
What is the value of a bunt single compared to a home run?
What about a home run with 2 guys on base?
What is the value of a bunt single compared to a groundout to short-right? Specifically, a groundout that would be a base hit if not for the shift?
I'm not advocating Gallo bunt every at-bat. Doing it a few times against an extreme overshift will force the opponent to consider the value of the shift. The goal isn't to win a batting title by bunting for singles 3 times a game. The goal is to remove the effectiveness of the overshift and thereby the shift itself.
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Vlad Jr. is batting .405
Matter of time before he’s called up.
hes got conditioning concerns, isnt a great fielder, and makes too many mistakes on the basepath.
if he got promoted he would likely only fit as a DH, which won't help his defense. the jays want him to be an everyday position guy.
unless the jays are in the mix for a wildcard or the division after the break, he'll pobly be a september callup, if not opening day next year
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Vlad Jr. is batting .405
Matter of time before he’s called up.
Need to fire Gibbons and end this season first.
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hes got conditioning concerns, isnt a great fielder, and makes too many mistakes on the basepath.
if he got promoted he would likely only fit as a DH, which won't help his defense. the jays want him to be an everyday position guy.
unless the jays are in the mix for a wildcard or the division after the break, he'll pobly be a september callup, if not opening day next year
our rotation is a steamy turd, we're not competing in 2018.
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@hgomez27:
BREAKING NEWS: According to off the record sources and non-official reports, dominican All-Star Robinson Cano will be suspended for Steroid Use, could be announced today.
#ZDeportes
@z101digital @ZDeportes
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hes got conditioning concerns, isnt a great fielder, and makes too many mistakes on the basepath.
if he got promoted he would likely only fit as a DH, which won't help his defense. the jays want him to be an everyday position guy.
unless the jays are in the mix for a wildcard or the division after the break, he'll pobly be a september callup, if not opening day next year
That’s exactly what I said last offseason. No point in wasting his service time before the team is ready. If I’m the jays I keep him down til 2019 minimum. At the same time, if he has nothing left to prove in the minors, call him up and let his adjust to MLB pitching.
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What is the value of a bunt single compared to a groundout to short-right? Specifically, a groundout that would be a base hit if not for the shift?
I'm not advocating Gallo bunt every at-bat. Doing it a few times against an extreme overshift will force the opponent to consider the value of the shift. The goal isn't to win a batting title by bunting for singles 3 times a game. The goal is to remove the effectiveness of the overshift and thereby the shift itself.
Joey. Gallo. Doesn’t. Give. A. excrement. About. Balls. In. Play.
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According to Fangraphs, Joey Gallo had a 54.2% fly ball ratio last year.
According to Fangraphs, MLB league average fly ball rate is 35%.
Gallo doesn’t care where the fielders position themselves.
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80 games for Cano
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being only 7.5 back could be worst, you could be the white sox
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That’s exactly what I said last offseason. No point in wasting his service time before the team is ready. If I’m the jays I keep him down til 2019 minimum. At the same time, if he has nothing left to prove in the minors, call him up and let his adjust to MLB pitching.
I would probly bring him up in September to give the fans something to give a excrement about, and hope he adjust quickly. long as he misses that ab limit it shouldnt effect his rookie status.
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Joey. Gallo. Doesn’t. Give. A. excrement. About. Balls. In. Play.
I don't really want to continue such a stupid conversation, but who gives a excrement what Joey Gallo cares about?
I said he should bunt against the shift. That would help his team. Pretty clearly, no one in baseball gives a excrement about shifts, because just about no one bunts against the shift. Hell, even Brett Gardner wasn't doing it during his recent slump and he's an excellent bunt-for-a-hit batter.
What you're arguing is irrelevant.
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80 games for Cano
He'll have ample time for his hand to heal now.
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hes got conditioning concerns, isnt a great fielder, and makes too many mistakes on the basepath.
if he got promoted he would likely only fit as a DH, which won't help his defense. the jays want him to be an everyday position guy.
unless the jays are in the mix for a wildcard or the division after the break, he'll pobly be a september callup, if not opening day next year
He's also in AA, he'll play in Buffalo at some point this year but I don't think we'll see him in Toronto.
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I don't really want to continue such a stupid conversation, but who gives a excrement what Joey Gallo cares about?
I said he should bunt against the shift. That would help his team. Pretty clearly, no one in baseball gives a excrement about shifts, because just about no one bunts against the shift. Hell, even Brett Gardner wasn't doing it during his recent slump and he's an excellent bunt-for-a-hit batter.
What you're arguing is irrelevant.
My argument is irrelevant? You’re arguing that a professional athlete and his major league team are intentionally having him hurt said team. They obviously don’t think he’s hurting the team.
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I don't really want to continue such a stupid conversation
Good. Read this, if you so choose. Then shaddup you face.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/joey-gallo-will-only-hit-homers/
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My argument is irrelevant? You’re arguing that a professional athlete and his major league team are intentionally having him hurt said team. They obviously don’t think he’s hurting the team.
Right, because Texas is doing so well.
Good. Read this, if you so choose. Then shaddup you face.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/joey-gallo-will-only-hit-homers/
Nearly everything — nearly everything — is seen somewhere between first and second. Now, most hitters pull the majority of their grounders. Especially power hitters. In general, that means Gallo isn’t weird. But his grounder pull rate ranks eighth-highest in baseball, out of 369 players. That puts him within the highest three percent. Now, Gallo doesn’t hit many grounders in the first place, but when he does, it’s clear where they’re going. And because he’s a lefty who doesn’t run exceptionally well, the Astros could stack the right side while having the two middle players back deep. That way, they effectively cover more ground while sacrificing very little.
If you combine just grounders and line drives, Gallo’s 2017 pull rate is baseball’s fifth-highest, out of 319. And while the infield overshift opens up plenty of territory for a bunt, Gallo has yet to lay one down for a hit. He’s bunted just one time as a major leaguer, and this was it.
It’s not the worst bunt anyone’s ever seen, but it was ultimately a failure. Gallo won’t be honored as a bunting threat until he actually bunts. You can see the Astros’ alignment for that plate appearance, which happened in the middle of August. It’s only grown more extreme.
Joey Gallo, as well as any hitter suffering from extreme shifts, should bunt for hits until teams stop shifting on them.
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Joey Gallo, as well as any hitter suffering from extreme shifts, should bunt for hits until teams stop shifting on them.
Why?
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https://twitter.com/cubs/status/996059421267591169
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@EvanDrellich: Red Sox RP Carson Smith hurt his arm throwing his glove in the dugout after he left the game yesterday. "It's unfortunate," Dave Dombrowski said. No timetable. Went for testing today, MRI, needs a second opinion: "It's got the potential of being a major injury."
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The Atlanta Braves have the best record in the NL.
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Why?
I mean, there are plenty of reasons why Gallo being able to put down a bunt would help his team. Late innings, leading off, down by more than a run and you'd be thrilled to take a .600 OBP over a pure HR hitter. Against a dominant pitcher who is less effective with runners on base. Or just a pitcher who Gallo struggles against.
Last year his OBP was .333, this year it's below .300 through forty games - improving that number will only help his overall value.
That being said, it's not worth teaching him to bunt if it will mess with his swing in any significant way.
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I mean, there are plenty of reasons why Gallo being able to put down a bunt would help his team. Late innings, leading off, down by more than a run and you'd be thrilled to take a .600 OBP over a pure HR hitter. Against a dominant pitcher who is less effective with runners on base. Or just a pitcher who Gallo struggles against.
Last year his OBP was .333, this year it's below .300 through forty games - improving that number will only help his overall value.
That being said, it's not worth teaching him to bunt if it will mess with his swing in any significant way.
I don't see how learning to bunt could mess with a guy's swing. If someone was arguing teaching him to hit to the opposite field, then sure, that's a bad idea. But to ask a guy to bunt a few times just to force teams to respect his potential to do it isn't a lot.
Like you said, he'd be a lot more valuable to his team, who aren't especially good, if he were to get on base more often. Laying down even a mediocre bunt against that shift gets him on base.
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I mean, there are plenty of reasons why Gallo being able to put down a bunt would help his team. Late innings, leading off, down by more than a run and you'd be thrilled to take a .600 OBP over a pure HR hitter. Against a dominant pitcher who is less effective with runners on base. Or just a pitcher who Gallo struggles against.
Last year his OBP was .333, this year it's below .300 through forty games - improving that number will only help his overall value.
That being said, it's not worth teaching him to bunt if it will mess with his swing in any significant way.
I’ll preface this again with that I don’t disagree – I think it’s a perfectly reasonable argument that Joey Gallo or any player that is heavily shifted should be laying down bunts to steal some base hits and possibly break up the shift.
Ok. That said, it’s much easier said than done and I think teams/players would start putting it into practice if they really thought it was worth it. I used to get mad watching McCann and Tex mash hard hit balls directly into the teeth of the shift over and over but refuse to lay down a bunt or even try to go the other way. Those guys are 10x the hitters Joey Gallo is and are professional ballplayers that should be able to lay down a bunt no problem. Yet it rarely happened.
We are assuming here that every time a guy trys to bunt against an overshift, he’s automatically on first base, but that simply isn’t the case:
It won’t surprise you to learn there haven’t been all that many bunt attempts against the shift. This is the very reason certain people have been complaining. I came up with just over 200 attempts over two years. Of those attempts, 38% were bunted fair, and 25% of the bunts resulted in the batter reaching base, either on a hit or an error.
-Fangraphs, 2014
The stats here are compiled in terms of total bunt attempts, and not individual AB’s- so we don’t know the outcome of each scenario. We don’t know if failed bunt attempts turned into outs or they got another bunt attempt in the AB. But as you can see, it’s not a perfect science, and a lot harder to even keep a bunt fair than most people think.
There would be plenty of AB’s where Gallo would try to bunt, work himself into a 2 strike count, take the bunt off, and inevitably strike out- since he K’d in 37% of his Abs last year. I don’t know if Gallo can’t afford to give pitchers free strikes in foul balls – which he would be doing 60% of the time, just by attempting a bunt. He was worst in the league last year at contact % and 2nd in strikeout %. Gallo makes contact at such a low rate but converts the balls he does contact into HRs at a very high % - Bunt attempts only reduce the already few opportunities he has to produce those type of hits.
I agree situational bunting makes perfect sense – down multiple runs with no one on base, a solo HR does nothing for you. Against a tough pitcher or maybe a lefty makes sense too. If Gallo bunted every time in those situations I wouldn’t have much to say. Anything beyond that means that you’re going from situational to completely changing his approach.
What we don’t know, and probably can’t figure out, is what the tradeoff is between bunting and using his normal approach. How many homers would he lose by bunting? What about doubles? He has 5 this year even though he gets shifted. How many bunt singles would you need to make up for the loss of one 3-run HR? There isn’t any way to answer that because it’s all theoretical.
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^I apologize for giving you a hard time. That's a really good post SFD. Fair points all the way through.
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^I apologize for giving you a hard time. That's a really good post SFD. Fair points all the way through.
it’s all good, I enjoy the back and forth. I think my first post on the subject was that I don’t have a hard stance either way, and that I don’t really care since Gallo is a glorified HR derby hitter. Once again, I don’t disagree with you, I just don’t 100% agree either.
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it’s all good, I enjoy the back and forth. I think my first post on the subject was that I don’t have a hard stance either way, and that I don’t really care since Gallo is a glorified HR derby hitter. Once again, I don’t disagree with you, I just don’t 100% agree either.
Fair enough.
I'm like you. Watching Teixeira hit directly into the shift like clockwork was infuriating. It just doesn't make sense to me why a player wouldn't want to do something to improve their overall chances of success. If bunting for an easy hit a few times breaks up the shift and gives you back your side of the field, the eventual result should be more success with your natural swing.
I can understand the POV of how many at-bats are you willing to give up to prove the point? Every bunt is a potential home run lost, and are a few extra base hits worth that sacrifice?
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Fair enough.
I'm like you. Watching Teixeira hit directly into the shift like clockwork was infuriating. It just doesn't make sense to me why a player wouldn't want to do something to improve their overall chances of success. If bunting for an easy hit a few times breaks up the shift and gives you back your side of the field, the eventual result should be more success with your natural swing.
I can understand the POV of how many at-bats are you willing to give up to prove the point? Every bunt is a potential home run lost, and are a few extra base hits worth that sacrifice?
Right. For a guy like Teix, who can play great defense and do everything you want at the plate, you don’t need him focus on HRs and you can deal with him bunting or taking a different approach when needed. It doesn’t make as much sense for Gallo, who’s main value comes from hitting HRs and selling out in order to do so.
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The Atlanta Braves have the best record in the NL.
they got fucked hard last night on 2 plays in a row by replay.
https://streamable.com/gg438
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Re: those stats. What percentage of bunts vs a standard field result in a base hit? 25% seems like quite a high proportion.
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Re: those stats. What percentage of bunts vs a standard field result in a base hit? 25% seems like quite a high proportion.
That actually might be really hard to figure out. As far as I can tell, all bunt attempts get lumped in together, including sacrifice bunt attempts. But if a sacrifice bunt is successful, the attempt isn’t counted and it’s just counted as a sacrifice. Including sacrifice bunt attempts with attempts to bunt for a base hit would skew the data imo
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Top 10 Bunters with Bases Empty, Career by Hits
NAME # _ATT_ _HITS_ _HIT%_ _REACH%
Brett Butler 1 385 188 48.8 49.9
Otis Nixon 2 353 145 41.1 44.5
Juan Pierre 3 392 144 36.7 38.8
Maury Wills 4 268 124 46.3 47.0
Kenny Lofton 5 229 123 53.7 54.6
Rod Carew 6 126 91 72.2 72.2
Matty Alou 7 123 90 73.2 74.0
Vince Coleman 8 190 89 46.8 47.9
Rafael Furcal 9 211 80 37.9 40.3
Mickey Mantle 10 148 80 54.1 54.7
The Mick! Always heard that he was a great bunter and laid down an excessive amount of bunts for someone with his power.
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Vince Coleman was freaking fast.
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Vlad Jr. is batting .405
Matter of time before he’s called up.
.418
https://mobile.twitter.com/chicken__puppet/status/996824773870080000
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Ok. NSFL warning. I usually turn away from excrement like this immediately but I got sucked into this story after some of the reactions I saw online. I honestly feel bad/weird for posting this, but I think everyone will eventually hear this story one way or another. Not recommended for anyone still trying to have a good day.
I remember hearing about this last year but I must have only seen the cursory details.
Luke Heimlich:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/05/16/luke-heimlich-oregon-state
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BOSTON — Blake Swihart has spent all season in a virtually non-existent role, one that Alex Cora and Dave Dombrowski both indicated on Tuesday will not change barring injury to Sandy Leon or Christian Vazquez. Swihart's agent, Brodie Scoffield of The Legacy Agency, sees a situation that's been unproductive for both the player and the team, and has asked the Red Sox to trade Swihart.
BAHAHAHAHA
“Vazquez and Leon entered Tuesday with a combined .452 OPS, the worst in the majors.”
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Vlad Jr. is batting .405
Matter of time before he’s called up.
@JimBowdenGM:
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. & Super 2 biz reason #BlueJays want to wait to promote... Kris Bryant #Cubs as Super2 making $10.85m rather than $1m. If #BlueJays promote to AAA soon then call up mid-June they’ll save $10-12m in 2021 & prevent an extra yr of arbit. But his bat ready NOW!!
@StevePhilipsGM:
Plus if Vlad Jr. gets called up now he isn’t playing 3B. Donaldson isn’t changing positions. Can’t just DH a 19 year-old. So Guerrero needs development at another defensive position (LF?) if he is coming up this season.
I wouldn’t call Vlad Jr up at all this year. I would save his service time. If he gets called up next April 20, Jays will control him through the 2025 season. I want his service time at the age of 26 more than playing at 19. Plus, #Jays just fighting for 2nd wild card this year.
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Ok. NSFL warning. I usually turn away from excrement like this immediately but I got sucked into this story after some of the reactions I saw online. I honestly feel bad/weird for posting this, but I think everyone will eventually hear this story one way or another. Not recommended for anyone still trying to have a good day.
I remember hearing about this last year but I must have only seen the cursory details.
Luke Heimlich:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/05/16/luke-heimlich-oregon-state
i remember this too, but this article is pretty good.
i dunno how i feel about it, he deserves another shot...but still...
i dunno. i hope he gets another shot, but he certainly wont be a star
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marlins are desperate for pitching help
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SlimLoneJavalina-size_restricted.gif)
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Top prospects called up recently:
Ronal Acuna - OF - ATL - #1 prospect in MLB, Called up 2 weeks ago
Tyler O’Neill - OF - STL - immense power
Walker Buehler - SP - LAD
Austin Meadows - OF - PIT
Juan Soto - OF - WAS
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Braves cut Jose Bautista
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https://mobile.twitter.com/chelsea_janes/status/998732823870746624
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https://mobile.twitter.com/foxsportswest/status/999057605027807232
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James Paxton is on fire this season.
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James Paxton is on fire this season.
I always heard about how he had this potential, and he would get derailed by injuries every year.
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Top prospects called up recently:
Ronal Acuna - OF - ATL - #1 prospect in MLB, Called up 2 weeks ago
Tyler O’Neill - OF - STL - immense power
Walker Buehler - SP - LAD
Austin Meadows - OF - PIT
Juan Soto - OF - WAS
Buehler is doing a good job so far. Luckily the whole NL West sucks right now so the Dodgers are right in the thick of things.
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Jays are unwatchable. See you guys in 2019.
#FireGibbons
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Jays are unwatchable. See you guys in 2019.
#FireGibbons
The MB Hex is undefeated
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The MB Hex is undefeated
Only works on the yanks, ni99a
#enjoyyourAIDS
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Only works on the yanks, ni99a
#enjoyyourAIDS
It’s working so well that it ended your season and it’s not even June yet
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It’s working so well that it ended your season and it’s not even June yet
nah...that's the Gibbons syndrome
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The MB Hex is undefeated
Go Knights Go
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Forgot the Blue Jays have Craig Biggios kid too. 13 HR as a 2B in AA this year
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Forgot the Blue Jays have Craig Biggios kid too. 13 HR as a 2B in AA this year
Biggio, Guerrero, Bichette and Clemens.
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Biggio, Guerrero, Bichette and Clemens.
World's laziest drafting strategy. But quite an effective one, it seems.
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VGJ is now Baseball America's #1 prospect.
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VGJ is now Baseball America's #1 prospect.
We'll trade you Chapman for half a season in return for VGJ.
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VGJ is now Baseball America's #1 prospect.
Yeah, after all the good ones were promoted to MLB. What’s this guy’s problem?
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Yeah, after all the good ones were promoted to MLB. What’s this guy’s problem?
They weren't promoted, Vlad just ate them all.
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We'll trade you Chapman for half a season in return for VGJ.
Instead of VGJ...we'll trade you john gibbons for chapman.
Thanks
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Jon Morosi of MLB Network reports that the Blue Jays have discussed the possibility of promoting top third base prospect Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to Triple-A Buffalo "within the next month."
Toronto can only protect this guy from AAA pitching for so long
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Toronto can only protect this guy from AAA pitching for so long
He's gonna eat Yankees for breakfast next year. Metaphorically and literally.
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He's gonna eat Yankees for breakfast next year. Metaphorically and literally.
The jays will trot out Gibbons and Donaldson opening day 2019 with vlad still in the minors
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The jays will trot out Gibbons and Donaldson opening day 2019 with vlad in the minors
sometimes i kinda hate you
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Toronto can only protect this guy from AAA pitching for so long
They're only doing it because the AA teams have complained that they can't afford the buffet costs any more.
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https://twitter.com/ogtedberg/status/1004157743853424640?s=21
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Yikes
Keegan Matheson
Verified account @KeeganMatheson
18m18 minutes ago
Guerrero was not running at 100% to first base on his infield single, then looked uncomfortable getting to 2B on a Biggio single.
He immediately signaled to the dugout that he needed to leave the game. #BlueJays
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Yikes
#ThanksObama
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#ThanksObama
#FireGibbons
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#FireGibbons
#HighFive
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Strained his stomach at the buffet table
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Re: Possible moves at the deadline, is there a more obvious fit over Cole Hamels?
I can't see the Giants making the MadBum available before the off-season, and he's going to cost a shitload.
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Re: Possible moves at the deadline, is there a more obvious fit over Cole Hamels?
I can't see the Giants making the MadBum available before the off-season, and he's going to cost a shitload.
Do you want Jaime Garcia back?
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Do you want Jaime Garcia back?
Absolutely not. Let me know when everyone is ready to send Stroman on home.
Apologies for posting this here by the way, I made the mistake of thinking I was in the Yankee thread.
In news around the league, Alex Reyes is done for the year. Big loss for the Cardinals when you consider their staff had he been healthy and pitched even close to expectation.
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Absolutely not. Let me know when everyone is ready to send Stroman on home.
The way I feel about the team right now I almost would, but he's been so poor this year and he's now injured. He's under control for some time to come but he's not good right now, we just wouldn't get close to value for him.
MB and I were discussing this yesterday, the most likely trade candidate from our rotation is Happ - he's pitching really well this year. I think he'll go and I hope we'll manage to shift Morales as well who has finally managed to get his eye in after a horrible start to the season.
Smoak, Pillar, Hernandez, Sanchez, Stroman and Diaz are off the table for me unless we get a stupid offer. Pretty much anyone else is available for the right price.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/06/06/luke-heimlich-mlb-renders-verdict/679571002/
Post-draft article
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Angels placed RHP Shohei Ohtani on the 10-day disabled list, retroactive to June 7, with a Grade 2 sprain of the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow.
Yahoo Sports' Jeff Passan reported back in December that Ohtani was dealing with a Grade 1 UCL sprain, and it appears that the tear in his elbow has gotten worse. The right-hander was given platelet-rich plasma and stem cell injections Thursday and will be re-evaluated in three weeks.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/8pk9xs/themed_mlb_draft_allname_teams
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Angels placed RHP Shohei Ohtani on the 10-day disabled list, retroactive to June 7, with a Grade 2 sprain of the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow.
Yahoo Sports' Jeff Passan reported back in December that Ohtani was dealing with a Grade 1 UCL sprain, and it appears that the tear in his elbow has gotten worse. The right-hander was given platelet-rich plasma and stem cell injections Thursday and will be re-evaluated in three weeks.
I saw earlier this afternoon they were saying it was a blister issue that was sending him to the DL. That's awful news.
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The Angels better move his derriere into the outfield ASAP.
If it requires surgery, then that really sucks for baseball.
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The Angels better move his derriere into the outfield ASAP.
If it requires surgery, then that really sucks for baseball.
This is a very interesting post and a good question that needs to be addressed. Very soon.
Is Shovelhead Ohtani most valuable as a pitcher, a hitter, or a combination of both. Pitchers get injured so damn often.
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Vlad, Jr., has strained patella tendon in his left knee. Out for four weeks after which he will be re-evaluated.
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Angels placed RHP Shohei Ohtani on the 10-day disabled list, retroactive to June 7, with a Grade 2 sprain of the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow.
Yahoo Sports' Jeff Passan reported back in December that Ohtani was dealing with a Grade 1 UCL sprain, and it appears that the tear in his elbow has gotten worse. The right-hander was given platelet-rich plasma and stem cell injections Thursday and will be re-evaluated in three weeks.
Tommy Johns incoming
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It's being reported that the Angels are holding out hope, but it's inevitable that Ohtani is going to need TJ. Just awful.
I wonder how his recovery will be handled though. According to Pedro Gomez, Ohtani will likely be out until 2020, but what if the Angels choose to bring him back as a DH before he can pitch? We've never seen anything like this before, but there shouldn't be any reason he couldn't hit at least midway through next season.
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Miguel Cabrera has a biceps tendon tear--out for the rest of the year.
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Entering today, pitchers are hitting a collective .112/.145/.142 this season.
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Entering today, pitchers are hitting a collective .112/.145/.142 this season.
#pitchersarebaseballplayerstoo
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Entering today, pitchers are hitting a collective .112/.145/.142 this season.
But muh strategy
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Is it just me, or was the return the Royals got for Kelvin Herrera very light?
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But muh strategy
Willful ignorance or just plain ignorance?
That is the question.
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National League baseball is an awful brand of baseball. That's not even a subjective opinion at this point. Even MLB has finally realized it and I can't wait until they finally implement league-wide DH once-and-for-all.
Watching Dellin Betances give his best Gary Sheffield impression was humorous, and nothing more. It added exactly nothing to the game. At least I got to watch Greg Bird get double-switched for Neil Walker. So much strategy!
But I guess the NL gave us this gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl_mOnvoJeM&list=RDXl_mOnvoJeM&start_radio=1
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In 2018, MLB pitchers are on pace for aggregate lows in BA, OBP, SLG. Of all time. I have no problem with the NL keeping their brand of baseball, but there’s no argument here.
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For anyone who missed the conversation last time, the argument for pitchers batting is NOT that they are, or are supposed to be, good hitters. It's the opposite, that's the challenge.
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MLB needs a league wide DH to open up jobs for 15 capable hitters and prolong the careers of star/franchise players
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For anyone who missed the conversation last time, the argument for pitchers batting is NOT that they are, or are supposed to be, good hitters. It's the opposite, that's the challenge.
It’s not entertaining or fun to watch.
I don’t buy that it’s a challenge or even a skill. Is there any quantifiable way that you can prove that an NL manager is superior at making these decisions compared to another NL manager? If not, then we’re just watching inferior athletes fail at a very predictable rate or NL managers are throwing darts and hoping their decision doesn’t blow up in their face.
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For anyone who missed the conversation last time, the argument for pitchers batting is NOT that they are, or are supposed to be, good hitters. It's the opposite, that's the challenge.
If I want to watch inept clowns trying to figure out which end of the bat to hold while they face 95mph heaters, I'll go down to my local batting cages and watch the puffed up bros with the machine turned up to full chat. When I'm watching actual professional sport I'd like to see specialists and experts doing what they do best.
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Sorry to be short, but we went over this at length once. You have to work around the 9 spot throughout the whole game BECAUSE you have a pitcher starting the game there. Generally it's one or two at-bats where the pitcher actually bats, and sometimes they do something, but having the spot there adds a lot of strategy to the game for both teams.
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Sorry to be short, but we went over this at length once. You have to work around the 9 spot throughout the whole game BECAUSE you have a pitcher starting the game there. Generally it's one or two at-bats where the pitcher actually bats, and sometimes they do something, but having the spot there adds a lot of strategy to the game for both teams.
If I want to watch a team having to try to find a strategy to compensate for black holes in the batting order I'll just go watch the Blue Jays. Oh wait, I already do and it's freaking rubbish.
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If I want to watch a team having to try to find a strategy to compensate for black holes in the batting order I'll just go watch the Blue Jays. Oh wait, I already do and it's freaking rubbish.
Randall Grichuk would probably have been more successful as a pitcher this year
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Randall Grichuk would prob have been more successful as a pitcher this year
Actually, after a crappy start Grichuk has been OK. Morales is also finding some form with the bat, which raises my hopes that someone might be desperate enough to take that fat waste of space off our hands at the deadline. The biggest problem in the order is Kevin Pillar doing his usual post-May disappearing act after a promising start - he tries to compensate for any slight dip in form by swinging at every single freaking pitch, thus leading to pitchers knowing they can toss him any old excrement they like and they'll get him chasing.
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In 5,590 interleague games to date, the NL has won 2,641 times, for a .468 winning percentage. They've also scored almost eighteen hundred fewer runs in those contests.
American League managers are better strategists than NL managers, and the stats prove it.
Rk Lg G W L W-L% Rdiff RS RA pythW-L%
1 AL 5590 2949 2641 .528 1787 26539 24752 .532
2 NL 5590 2641 2949 .472 -1787 24752 26539 .468
#stickthisinyourninehole
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Asking your pitcher to hit is like an NFL team asking their starting QB to play safety on 3rd down plays once per quarter.
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I agree that it's not as exciting having the pitcher bat. I grew up watching NL baseball (Cubs and Braves always on TV with TBS and WGN, Cards fan), so I'm kind of used to the extra strategy involved with it. It's what I prefer, but I understand it's not that exciting watching some fat slob swing a bat like he's trying to kill a rat on the ground. I got used to the fact that you know the pitcher is coming up soon and have to manufacture a run before that or at best have a pitcher that can at least bunt a guy over. It's also fun those rare times when a pitcher actually gets lucky and gets on base.
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Also don't forget the excitement of every hit once he's on base, wondering if your elite starter who is critical to your season's success is going to dig a cleat in while sliding for a pointless base and nuke his whole season. Such strategy.
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Also don't forget the excitement of every hit once he's on base, wondering if your elite starter who is critical to your season's success is going to dig a cleat in while sliding for a pointless base and nuke his whole season. Such strategy.
Ummmmm that's why they just jog lazily and don't try. Hellooooo...
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Asking your pitcher to hit is like an NFL team asking their starting QB to play safety on 3rd down plays once per quarter.
It'd be like if football required 11 men played both defense and offense. Except you get one player on defense who doesn't have to play on offense, and your quarterback doesn't play defense. Like a totally different sport.
Or, if in soccer, when your team had the ball you could sub in an extra attacker because your keeper isn't helping you score.
Personally, I think baseball would be more exciting if you didn't require any fielders to bat - managers should just be able to bat their four (more than four hitters is unnecessary and more importantly, boring) best hitters regardless of who is on the field during the nonbatting (boring) half innings.
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Addendum, the real sin MLB is committing is overdoing interleague play. Four games total with your interleague "rival" should be the maximum, that way fans in both leagues get to keep pretending the other league with its asinine DH rule doesn't exist until the world series.
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It'd be like if football required 11 men played both defense and offense. Except you get one player on defense who doesn't have to play on offense, and your quarterback doesn't play defense. Like a totally different sport.
Or, if in soccer, when your team had the ball you could sub in an extra attacker because your keeper isn't helping you score.
Personally, I think baseball would be more exciting if you didn't require any fielders to bat - managers should just be able to bat their four (more than four hitters is unnecessary and more importantly, boring) best hitters regardless of who is on the field during the nonbatting (boring) half innings.
I think your football analogy is off. In this scenario, batters are offense and pitchers are defense. Why force a QB to play defense or a CB to play WR. It’s not playing to their strengths/abilities, and they don’t practice that position or the skills needed to play it, at all. 100% of their focus is spent on perfecting their craft that they are actually good at, and got them to the big leagues.
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Addendum, the real sin MLB is committing is overdoing interleague play. Four games total with your interleague "rival" should be the maximum, that way fans in both leagues get to keep pretending the other league with its asinine DH rule doesn't exist until the world series.
You only have to deal with the other league’s rules for half of your interleague games. Not a huge deal IMO. I like it as is.
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It'd be like if football required 11 men played both defense and offense. Except you get one player on defense who doesn't have to play on offense, and your quarterback doesn't play defense. Like a totally different sport.
Of course, they're different sports. That doesn't dilute the point.
In football, every position group on defense has a relative counterpart on the offensive side--other than QB. An offensive lineman could switch over to defensive line, a wide receiver could turn around and play corner, even a running back or tight end could swap into the linebacker/safety corps, and their training somewhat transfers (ignoring their ability to man the position competently). In baseball, a second baseman can hit first, fourth, or eight. Same with a right fielder. It doesn't change his conditioning regimen in a measurable way.
Now ask a QB to play safety. Even for one play a game. You've now changed his entire conditioning program because he now has to account for doing that. The same goes for a pitcher. Apart from minor league games between two farm clubs of National League organizations, no pitcher picks up a bat after he gets drafted.
Putting your most fragile and arguably most important players on your team in harm's way is ridiculous. We all hate seeing a QB line up as a WR (unless it's Brady). Why do that with a guy whose primary responsibility is to get you outs?
What are NL fans going to do when MLB finally votes in a league-wide DH? It's not an "if" it's a "when."
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For the record, I like the rules exactly as they are.
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For the record, I like the rules exactly as they are.
I don't really care if someone is entertained by watching pitchers strike out. I only care when it causes injury to a guy that matters to my team. Personally, if I was an AL manager, I'd just tell all my pitchers not to ever swing, and if they walked, don't move off first unless it's a home run and even then, leisurely walk around the bases.
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Also don't forget the excitement of every hit once he's on base, wondering if your elite starter who is critical to your season's success is going to dig a cleat in while sliding for a pointless base and nuke his whole season. Such strategy.
Don't get pansy derriere faggots to be your pitchers. Get men who can play the game. Problem solved.
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Don't get pansy derriere faggots to be your pitchers. Get men who can play the game. Problem solved.
Yeah, you def want guys like Rich Hill, Kenta Maeda, Alex Wood, Walker Buehler, Hyun-Jin Ryu, Julio Urias, and Clayton Kershaw.
Oh wait, all of those guys are either already hurt or chronically injured. Just from pitching.
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this thread f.cking sucks because of all of you
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this thread f.cking sucks because of all of you
SBTMT
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this thread f.cking sucks because of all of you
Think about how much less it would suck if we didn't have to argue about the DH anymore because the National League joined civilized society and enacted it.
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Of course, they're different sports. That doesn't dilute the point.
Yes it does - trying to make a football analogy to support a DH argument is moronic because of how convolutedly you have to twist the rules of football to come up with a matching scenario.
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Baseball is better with guys like Mo Vaughn, Edgar Martinez, David Ortiz, Prince Fielder, Frank Thomas, Travis Hafner, etc. Paul Molitor played 80% of his 1500 career games at DH. Jim Thome hit over 200 HRs at the DH position. All of these guys wouldn’t have had as long or successful careers without the DH position. Baseball is infinitely more enjoyable to watch with these types of hitters playing.
/my argument
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Yes it does - trying to make a football analogy to support a DH argument is moronic because of how convolutedly you have to twist the rules of football to come up with a matching scenario.
There was nothing about the rules of either sport in that post. It was about the reality of different conditioning based on position, regardless of the sport. So, I'm not the one convoluting anything here.
It's okay. We don't have to continue to argue about this. The DH is objectively better for the sport and MLB is working on standardizing it across the board, so eventually, there won't be anything to argue about anymore. We'll have one nice set of rules for everybody, just like football.
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Baseball is better with guys like Mo Vaughn, Edgar Martinez, David Ortiz, Prince Fielder, Frank Thomas, Travis Hafner, etc. Paul Molitor played 80% of his 1500 career games at DH. Jim Thome hit over 200 HRs at the DH position. All of these guys wouldn’t have had as long or successful careers without the DH position. Baseball is infinitely more enjoyable to watch with these types of hitters playing.
/my argument
How the hell you gonna double-switch out Thome?!
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https://twitter.com/rehnato/status/1012467998613999617
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https://twitter.com/rehnato/status/1012467998613999617
Was this the thread you meant to post that in?
Either way, that was hilarious.
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Was this the thread you meant to post that in?
Either way, that was hilarious.
That defender put forth a better effort than the Jays this season tbh
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That defender put forth a better effort than the Jays this season tbh
It was like watching a pitcher hit.
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Was this the thread you meant to post that in?
Either way, that was hilarious.
It wasn't, but it will do.
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* N L * S T R A T E G Y *
https://twitter.com/buster_espn/status/1013438746686115840?s=21
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Lol I touched a nerve. Enjoy your beer league.
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Lol I touched a nerve. Enjoy your beer league.
How did the advanced brains of the NL manage a losing record against the worst beer league team?
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Yankees and Mets both have Doubleheaders Monday
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In exchange for Manny Machado, the Dodgers offered up their No. 1 (Alex Verdugo) and No. 8 (Yadier Alvarez) prospects - as per Jim Bowden.
Foolish of the Orioles to decline this. The stubbornness is all too familiar, sadly. Was a fair offer for what’s only a three month rental.
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https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1515637
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i wish the dodgers could have made that deal work. would have set their farm back a bit and manny aint gonna fix all their problems
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i wish the dodgers could have made that deal work. would have set their farm back a bit and manny aint gonna fix all their problems
I'm surprised they offered that, if it's even true. Seager is back next year and he's like 24, didn't make sense.
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http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24049347/mlb-hitters-explain-why-just-beat-shift
I believe we were talking about this a while back. It isn't that easy.
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http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24049347/mlb-hitters-explain-why-just-beat-shift
I believe we were talking about this a while back. It isn't that easy.
Meant to post this but forgot. Thanks
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@Astros option RHP Ken Giles to Triple-A Fresno.
Hahahahaha freaking loser. This guy shouted “freak you, man” in AJ Hinch’s face last night when he came to the mound to take him out. After he let up 3 straight hits and hadn’t recorded any outs in the 8th inning
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https://twitter.com/girardilogic/status/1016873646806233090
Best account on twitter
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https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/ryan-borucki-and-baseballs-newest-plus-pitch/
Watched this guy’s start against the Yanks last week and was impressed.
Another big test tonight against the Sox
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https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/ryan-borucki-and-baseballs-newest-plus-pitch/
Watched this guy’s start against the Yanks last week and was impressed.
Another big test tonight against the Sox
He's looked good so far, but we already have a guy with no real heater and an over reliance on his changeup in Estrada. It worked really well for a while and he had that one golden season with us, but once batters figured him out he started to look very ordinary.
I've personally been most impressed with Sam Gaviglio.
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He's looked good so far, but we already have a guy with no real heater and an over reliance on his changeup in Estrada. It worked really well for a while and he had that one golden season with us, but once batters figured him out he started to look very ordinary.
I've personally been most impressed with Sam Gaviglio.
He looked pretty damn good too, seemed like the YES broadcast booth was a little less informed about him. Either way you’ve got 2 solid young guys to test out in the rotation the rest of the season.
Prob have to see more of Borucki’s fastball to know if he can sustain success, but I’m telling you right now if that changeup is for real he could continue to give the Yankees trouble.
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He looked pretty damn good too, seemed like the YES broadcast booth was a little less informed about him. Either way you’ve got 2 solid young guys to test out in the rotation the rest of the season.
Prob have to see more of Borucki’s fastball to know if he can sustain success, but I’m telling you right now if that changeup is for real he could continue to give the Yankees trouble.
The two kinda go hand in hand though, don't they? If your fastball isn't up to much then you go to the changeup more often, and if it doesn't have the element of unpredictability then you're going to get hit, a lot. I think the catcher becomes extremely important with pitchers like that; Estrada never shakes off the catcher's first signal, and I wonder how much the transition from Martin to Maile has impacted his game as a result. Borucki may end up in a similar position.
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Holy excrement MLB just got rid of the Papa Slam. The freak are they gonna call it now??1?
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Holy excrement MLB just got rid of the Papa Slam. The freak are they gonna call it now??1?
#PapaSmunt
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The two kinda go hand in hand though, don't they? If your fastball isn't up to much then you go to the changeup more often, and if it doesn't have the element of unpredictability then you're going to get hit, a lot. I think the catcher becomes extremely important with pitchers like that; Estrada never shakes off the catcher's first signal, and I wonder how much the transition from Martin to Maile has impacted his game as a result. Borucki may end up in a similar position.
Fangraphs and MLB.com say he averages about 92 on his fastball. I’m watching the NESN broadcast, they’re showing him at 92-93 and classifying it as a sinker. If he can locate that’s fine for a lefty.
Mookie just tees off on his changeup
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Someone explain this please.
https://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/mp4/2018/07/14/2268861083/1531596377995/asset_2500K.mp4
Obviously it's a brilliant throw by Hernandez, but why was Swihart deked out by the infield? The ball was hit to LF and they were faking like it was coming in from RF. What am I not understanding?
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Someone explain this please.
https://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/mp4/2018/07/14/2268861083/1531596377995/asset_2500K.mp4
Obviously it's a brilliant throw by Hernandez, but why was Swihart deked out by the infield? The ball was hit to LF and they were faking like it was coming in from RF. What am I not understanding?
He was trying to steal second, and never looked bat toward the batter to see where the ball was hit. Based on how the infield reacted, he thought the ball was hit toward the right side. SS acts like he's turning two, and the second baseman is actually acting like the ball got through on the ground to the outfield and that the throw from the outfield should go to third base to prevent Swihart from advancing even more. Swihart ends up not knowing where the ball is at all, but for a couple of crucial seconds assumed that it was a base hit and that he could just stay at second safely before he realized what was happening.
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Bahahah swihart is an idiot
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Chase Utley retiring after this season.
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Chase Utley retiring after this season.
good riddence
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matheny fired in st louis.
apperently a big factor was he refused to step in and stop bud norris from being a gigantic freaking prick to jordan hicks. plus his complete inability to manage a bullpen.
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matheny fired in st louis.
apperently a big factor was he refused to step in and stop bud norris from being a gigantic freaking prick to jordan hicks. plus his complete inability to manage a bullpen.
He needed to go. Hire LaRussa back so I can have someone to yell at for overmanaging the bullpen.
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matheny fired in st louis.
apperently a big factor was he refused to step in and stop bud norris from being a gigantic freaking prick to jordan hicks. plus his complete inability to manage a bullpen.
and yet...Gibbons continues to be employed by the Jays.
baffling.
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and yet...Gibbons continues to be employed by the Jays.
baffling.
That's got to really irk you lol.
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That's got to really irk you lol.
MB loves Gibbons like he loves Indian food, music made after 1992 and fashionable clothing.
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https://www.12up.com/posts/6120132-brewers-all-star-pitcher-josh-hader-s-old-nsfw-racist-tweets-revealed/partners/36273
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Dodgers get
(SS) Manny Machado
Orioles get
(OF) Yusniel Diaz
(RHP) Dean Kremer
(RHP) Zach Pop
(IF) Rylan Bannon
(IF) Breyvic Valera
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Indians get:
(LHP) Brad Hand
(RHP) Adam Climber
Padres get:
(C/OF) Francisco Meija
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Indians get:
(LHP) Brad Hand
(RHP) Adam Climber
Padres get:
(C/OF) Francisco Meija
Padres raped the Indians
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Pads now have 10 top 100 prospects
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Dodgers get
(SS) Manny Machado
Orioles get
(OF) Yusniel Diaz
(RHP) Dean Kremer
(RHP) Zach Pop
(IF) Rylan Bannon
(IF) Breyvic Valera
Dodgers could have done worst. I don't think this is the gamechanging trade some pundits are making it out to be, Manny cant pitch
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Just my opinion, but I thought the package for Manny for light. Guess it’s because he’s a rental. They have 4-5 prospects better than Diaz, and the rumored deal with Lux and Day coming back was muuuch better than the watered down package of 4 players they actually received.
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Dodgers could have done worst. I don't think this is the gamechanging trade some pundits are making it out to be, Manny cant pitch
I've been thinking a lot about this the past few days.
Is Machado an elite hitter? Absolutely. But how much does he change a lineup? He certainly makes a lineup deeper, but any team that's in the playoff hunt already has a lot of offense. There's no way to be there if you don't.
Pitching is what makes the difference in October, as you intimated.
I'm not knocking the Dodgers because Manny Machado, but like you said, it's probably not as game-changing as people are making it out to be.
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Dodgers could have done worst. I don't think this is the gamechanging trade some pundits are making it out to be, Manny cant pitch
Dodgers have plenty of pitching, got back into the race while 4 of the 5 starters were on the DL. This guy's contract is up after the year and we get Seager back next year, so it's most likely a rental. They know they have a chance this year so I see the wisdom in it, although Taylor and Kiké were doing a good job at short.
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Just my opinion, but I thought the package for Manny for light. Guess it’s because he’s a rental. They have 4-5 prospects better than Diaz, and the rumored deal with Lux and Day coming back was muuuch better than the watered down package of 4 players they actually received.
I wonder how much of the "Yankees and Red Sox are in on Machado" was the Orioles trying to inflate the value. Maybe there wasn't the market they'd hoped, the Dodgers realized it, and Baltimore took what it could get since there was no intention of re-signing Machado anyway?
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Padres raped the Indians
big time. Indians are going all in to lose in the ALCS
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Dodgers have plenty of pitching, got back into the race while 4 of the 5 starters were on the DL. This guy's contract is up after the year and we get Seager back next year, so it's most likely a rental. They know they have a chance this year so I see the wisdom in it, although Taylor and Kiké were doing a good job at short.
They deff do in the regular season
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I wonder how much of the "Yankees and Red Sox are in on Machado" was the Orioles trying to inflate the value. Maybe there wasn't the market they'd hoped, the Dodgers realized it, and Baltimore took what it could get since there was no intention of re-signing Machado anyway?
if i had to guess, a little bit of that, a little bit of his pretty excrement defense this season after demanding to move back to ss. probly not a ton, but i think it played more of a factor than we think.
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if i had to guess, a little bit of that, a little bit of his pretty excrement defense this season after demanding to move back to ss. probly not a ton, but i think it played more of a factor than we think.
I think the whole shortstop thing was a mix of two factors:
1) There aren't a lot of power-hitting SS in the sport at all, so it makes him look better if he's even an average defender and a true power threat for free agency.
2) It gave him a bit more control over where he wound up. By demanding he remain a SS he gave himself a bit of leverage in case a team he didn't want to go to already had a SS. It wasn't a lot of leverage, but any is better than none at all.
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Mets get:
(3B) William Toffey
(RHP) Bobby Wahl
Athletics get:
(CP) Jeurys Familia
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Mets get:
(3B) William Toffey
(RHP) Bobby Wahl
Athletics get:
(CP) Jeurys Familia
Mets got freaking fleeced
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Mets got freaking fleeced
Report out there that they wanted salary relief over higher upside prospects
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That was nice of the jays to pee away JA Happ’s value over the last month. He’s 0-3 with 7.41 ERA during that time.
#FireAtkins
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That was nice of the jays to pee away JA Happ’s value over the last month. He’s 0-3 with 7.41 ERA during that time.
#FireAtkins
The expectation on Toronto sports radio now is that Gibbons is done at the end of the season.
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That was nice of the jays to pee away JA Happ’s value over the last month. He’s 0-3 with 7.41 ERA during that time.
#FireAtkins
McBroom is now off the table.
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The expectation on Toronto sports radio now is that Gibbons is done at the end of the season.
He’ll be moved into the FO to replace Atkins.
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The expectation on Toronto sports radio now is that Gibbons is done at the end of the season.
That’s been my expectation since he was hired
Shea Hillenbrand should’ve killed him
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Jon Morosi of MLB.com reports that the Cardinals will release Greg Holland.
Holland cost the Cardinals $14 million and they had to forfeit a draft pick. In return, they got a 7.92 ERA over 32 appearances from the veteran reliever.
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YANKEES
Acquired: LHP Zach Britton
ORIOLES
Acquired: RHP Dillon Tate, RHP Cody Carroll and LHP Josh Rogers
i like this one for baltimore a lot more than nyy. rental for a wild card push
RED SOX
Acquired: RHP Nathan Eovaldi
RAYS
Acquired: LHP Jalen Beeks
meh
ASTROS
Acquired: C Martin Maldonado
ANGELS
Acquired: LHP Patrick Sandoval and international bonus pool money
robbery
YANKEES
Acquired: LHP J.A. Happ
BLUE JAYS
Acquired: 3B Brandon Drury and OF Billy McKinney
jays should have traded him a month ago and gotten a better haul
CUBS
Acquired: LHP Cole Hamels and cash considerations
RANGERS
Acquired: RHP Eddie Butler, RHP Rollie Lacy and a player to be named later
excrement for both sides, hamels is over rated
so far not much major action, but theres still 2 days..
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Rival executives say #BlueJays are trying to trade Roberto Osuna, who is eligible to return from his 75-game domestic-violence suspension on Aug. 5. Osuna currently on rehabilitation assignment. Has yet to allow run in six IP in rookie ball, High A and AAA.
Rosenthal
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Rival executives say #BlueJays are trying to trade Roberto Osuna, who is eligible to return from his 75-game domestic-violence suspension on Aug. 5. Osuna currently on rehabilitation assignment. Has yet to allow run in six IP in rookie ball, High A and AAA.
Rosenthal
It makes sense that we'd be interested in trading an elite closer under team control given the relative value of the position on the market and where we're at as a team, but it makes less sense given the impact his personal life and mental issues will have on the return we'd likely get. Maybe everyone's in agreement that he needs a fresh start somewhere else.
In other MLB news I took next week off as vacation, we were going to go to a cottage for a few days but instead it looks like I'm going to Buffalo for a couple of days to watch Vlad in action.
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It makes sense that we'd be interested in trading an elite closer under team control given the relative value of the position on the market and where we're at as a team, but it makes less sense given the impact his personal life and mental issues will have on the return we'd likely get. Maybe everyone's in agreement that he needs a fresh start somewhere else.
In other MLB news I took next week off as vacation, we were going to go to a cottage for a few days but instead it looks like I'm going to Buffalo for a couple of days to watch Vlad in action.
Awesome. Batting .402 and still bidding to be the only player in MiLB history to bat .400 for a season.
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Challenge: Read this top paragraph and don’t laugh:
According to Jesse Sanchez, outfielders and brothers Victor Mesa Jr. and Victor Victor Mesa have left Cuba to pursue MLB contracts. They are the sons of Victor Mesa Sr., a legendary player and manager in Cuba. Victor Victor is 21 while Victor Jr. is only 16. Both will be subject to the international spending restrictions once they are cleared to sign, a process that should take several weeks.
Victor Victor is the more highly regarded prospect and, according to Ben Badler (subs. req’d), he has “star potential” and is comparable to Nationals top prospect Victor Robles. “If (Victor Victor) were in the draft next month, I think he would be a top 10 overall pick, with the potential to go No. 1 overall,” added Badler. There’s very little information out there about Victor Jr. at the moment, though he is not the same caliber prospect as his older brother.
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Looks like Osuna is going to the Astros. Don't know what's coming back.
Edit:
Blue Jays PR @BlueJaysPR
The Toronto Blue Jays have acquired RHP Ken Giles, RHP David Paulino and RHP Hector Perez from the Houston Astros for RHP Roberto Osuna.
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Haha, I was trying to make sense of the Reddit comments and there it is. Was this a one off or is it part of his routine?
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Haha, I was trying to make sense of the Reddit comments and there it is. Was this a one off or is it part of his routine?
Only happens after he allows go-ahead 3 run bombs to Gary Sanchez
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https://twitter.com/justinverlander/status/974129291494641665
https://mobile.twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/1024079491205746688
Bahahaha
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https://thebiglead.com/2018/07/30/roberto-osuna-trade-astros-domestic-assault-violence/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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man you know its gonna be a disaster when the dude has to address the team and explain himself to the new team, considering what has been seen and what dudes on that team have said.
i hope its crashes and burns, good times
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Wow, you know, I respected Verlander on this until he punked out. I guess winning trumps standing by your beliefs. Sure, he said he stands by things he's said, but he's still backtracking a bit. I would've respected it more if he'd just said "No comment."
Personally, any guy who puts their hands on a woman can go freak himself. And I won't ever walk that back.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/trading-roberto-osuna-houston-astros-show-no-conscience-134758777.html
Yikes
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Players are getting booed for shitposts on Twitter a decade ago.
Osuna is not going to enjoy pitching around the country.
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Absolutely love the Pham deal for the Rays.
Cost effective player who has the potential to go 20-20 on any given year and play excellent corner outfield defense. Between KK, Smith and Pham, that's an outfield that will cover a lot of ground.
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Archer to the pirates
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Absolutely love the Pham deal for the Rays.
Cost effective player who has the potential to go 20-20 on any given year and play excellent corner outfield defense. Between KK, Smith and Pham, that's an outfield that will cover a lot of ground.
Same. A year removed from an .931 OPS and 11th place finish in NL MVP
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Jays traded Aaron Loup to Philly for some prospect with a stupid name.
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Jays traded Aaron Loup to Philly for some prospect with a stupid name.
Axford to the Dodgers
#Purge2018
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Axford to the Dodgers
#Purge2018
Aw, do not like. Axford's an awesome dude and he really didn't want to get traded, he's loving being back home.
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Aw, do not like. Axford's an awesome dude and he really didn't want to get traded, he's loving being back home.
The rebuild spares no feels
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The rebuild spares no feels
Corey Copping is a 31st round pick who has never seen the Major League and is R5 eligible in December. I'm not sure I really understand the point of this one.
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Corey Copping is a 31st round pick who has never seen the Major League and is R5 eligible in December. I'm not sure I really understand the point of this one.
There’s going to be more purging in Aug...Donaldson is gonna be gonzo
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There’s going to be more purging in Aug...Donaldson is gonna be gonzo
We'll see. I think he might stay on a one year deal to get healthy and have another go at FA the year after. No one's giving him a big contract this time round.
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We'll see. I think he might stay on a one year deal to get healthy and have another go at FA the year after. No one's giving him a big contract this time round.
If you can get someone to give you something in an August waiver deal, you should do it and still try to sign him in the offseason. Would make a lot of sense for a team trying to add a plus bat to the lineup for the stretch if he’s any sort of healthy.
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https://twitter.com/bmccarthy32/status/1024539801557639168
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https://twitter.com/bmccarthy32/status/1024539801557639168
He had an amazing first step on that play.
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Axford to the Dodgers
#Purge2018
Wow, he's terrible.
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Ken Giles lol
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Ken Giles lol
Why is that amusing to you? It makes no difference to us but I rather think that us reining them back in after your miserable capitulation would be in your interest, no?
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Wow, he's terrible.
You should send him back then. He loved being back in Ontario and didn't want to get traded in the first place.
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Hurry up and fire gibbons...so I can love baseball again
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Why is that amusing to you? It makes no difference to us but I rather think that us reining them back in after your miserable capitulation would be in your interest, no?
Lol no one is catching the sox
Appreciate you touching Kimbrel up tho
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So Brandon Drury did have his hand broken on the HBP while he was still with the Yankees. Awful news for him. He can't catch a break this year (NPI).
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https://mobile.twitter.com/gocpbl/status/1026781542595457025
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You should send him back then. He loved being back in Ontario and didn't want to get traded in the first place.
As Joe Beningo would say, I'll drive him to the airport.
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@JonHeyman:Soto, Schwarber and Harper have all tried bunting vs. shift and with wind blowing in at Wrigley today. Love the idea, tho only Soto successful.
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Does nobody have any strong feelings about Urena drilling Acuna last night? That made me sick. And Keith Hernandez can choke on a fat dick. This dumbass idea that it's okay to hit a guy because he's too successful against you is straight up garbage.
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bitch move by a bitch defended by a bitch
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Does nobody have any strong feelings about Urena drilling Acuna last night? That made me sick. And Keith Hernandez can choke on a fat dick. This dumbass idea that it's okay to hit a guy because he's too successful against you is straight up garbage.
Urena has hit more batters than any other pitcher in MLB over the last two seasons. Is he too aggressive or does he just have poor control?
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Urena has hit more batters than any other pitcher in MLB over the last two seasons. Is he too aggressive or does he just have poor control?
Shitty pitcher, I'd lean toward poor control. But 2 things:
1) I've said repeatedly if you don't have pinpoint accuracy, don't pitch inside. Period.
2) That wasn't a missed pitch. That was a straight up "freak you, you're not leading off with a homer off this."
I saw somewhere suggest he should get a 15-day suspension. I'd say at least that.
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Shitty pitcher, I'd lean toward poor control. But 2 things:
1) I've said repeatedly if you don't have pinpoint accuracy, don't pitch inside. Period.
2) That wasn't a missed pitch. That was a straight up "freak you, you're not leading off with a homer off this."
I saw somewhere suggest he should get a 15-day suspension. I'd say at least that.
I liked the suggestion that he should be suspended for as long as Acuna is hurt, at the very least.
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I liked the suggestion that he should be suspended for as long as Acuna is hurt, at the very least.
Acuna is only day-to-day. Urena shouldn't benefit from Acuna's luck.
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League gave Urena 6 games. Acuna is playing tonight.
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League gave Urena 6 games. Acuna is playing tonight.
Sickening. MLB had a chance to send a message and Torre punked out.
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Sickening. MLB had a chance to send a message and Torre punked out.
Does that surprise you in the least? Torre has done a excrement job disciplining players in his tenure, no rhyme or reason.
Look at Puig/Hundley earlier this week. Hundley told him to get his derriere in the box, Puig started swinging like an idiot, and only got 2 games? For a repeat offender? What the freak?
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Does that surprise you in the least? Torre has done a excrement job disciplining players in his tenure, no rhyme or reason.
Look at Puig/Hundley earlier this week. Hundley told him to get his derriere in the box, Puig started swinging like an idiot, and only got 2 games? For a repeat offender? What the freak?
I really thought all the outside pressure would be enough this time to force MLB's hand.
I'll say this. If I were Urena, I'd be begging to be traded to an AL team right now. I'd never want to bat against the Braves.
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https://twitter.com/cdixon25/status/1030579067630837760
GOAT
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https://twitter.com/cdixon25/status/1030579067630837760
GOAT
'you little fu**in pipsqueak'
wally is a classic haha. that was awesome. one of the comments underneath saying they expected him to pee on the base was similarly great.
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Does that surprise you in the least? Torre has done a excrement job disciplining players in his tenure, no rhyme or reason.
Look at Puig/Hundley earlier this week. Hundley told him to get his derriere in the box, Puig started swinging like an idiot, and only got 2 games? For a repeat offender? What the freak?
Puig should have knocked his derriere cold.
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He's looked good so far, but we already have a guy with no real heater and an over reliance on his changeup in Estrada. It worked really well for a while and he had that one golden season with us, but once batters figured him out he started to look very ordinary.
So, SFD, like I was saying.....
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Puig should have knocked his derriere cold.
Too bad he's the biggest bitch in the game.
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Too bad he's the biggest bitch in the game.
He wasn't the one wearing equipment in the fight lol.
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So, SFD, like I was saying.....
Yankees scored 6 runs with their first 6 batters sunday
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A’s were 10 games back of the Astros on July 10th, all tied up now
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A’s were 10 games back of the Astros on July 10th, all tied up now
Altuve is to Astros as Judge is to Yankees?
Also, nightmare Yankees scenario: facing Justin Verlander in a one-game wild-card playoff.
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Yankees scored 6 runs with their first 6 batters sunday
Like Estrada, a starter who only has two pitches of which one is an understrength fastball, needs to have near perfect location and an expertly called game. He doesn't have the former and the catcher was making his fifth start in the bigs.
I don't dislike Borucki, but I don't have high hopes for his long term future as an MLB starter.
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https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/08/21/zack-greinke-understands-that-the-opener-isnt-just-about-in-game-strategy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Interesting
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https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/08/21/zack-greinke-understands-that-the-opener-isnt-just-about-in-game-strategy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Interesting
Did I read that wrong, or was that article basically "wah wah muh overinflated salary"? Exhibit #1: David Price. I think it's an awesome concept and the idea that it might spread the money around a little more is quite appealing; all that will happen if this catches on is that we'll end up with teams paying better money to bullpen pitchers who can open, and a bit less money to traditional starters.
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Like Estrada, a starter who only has two pitches of which one is an understrength fastball, needs to have near perfect location and an expertly called game. He doesn't have the former and the catcher was making his fifth start in the bigs.
I don't dislike Borucki, but I don't have high hopes for his long term future as an MLB starter.
He’s giving up way too many hits, but he isn’t walking anyone and has only given up 2 HRs in 50+ innings. His strikeouts are also really subpar. If he can develop a better out pitch during the offseason or figure out how to pitch to contact less, he could stick in your rotation. You could certainly do worse as a rebuilding team.
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Did I read that wrong, or was that article basically "wah wah muh overinflated salary"? Exhibit #1: David Price. I think it's an awesome concept and the idea that it might spread the money around a little more is quite appealing; all that will happen if this catches on is that we'll end up with teams paying better money to bullpen pitchers who can open, and a bit less money to traditional starters.
I agree with what Greinke said. The Ray’s best young guys like Tyler Glasnow, Jalen Beeks, Stanek, and Jacob Faria are going to get screwed when it comes time to get paid. If they were used as traditional starters on another team, they could all expect significant contracts down the road. Ryan Yarbrough, another rookie, who has worked more than 110 innings, has made just five starts. He’s not going to be paid fairly for those innings down the road because teams will negotiate based on the fact that he’s a “reliever”.
The “opener” is really only feasible for teams that don’t have a rotation. I don’t think you’re sending a bullpen guy out to start if you have a legitimate Starting Pitcher going – that messes with their warmup routine. I think it will be a gimmick for smaller market teams like the rays and Twins to tread water while not having to spend money on starting pitching. Like the article says, they’ll also see a ton of savings in arbitration – where those type of teams are looking for bargains.
Bullpen guys will continue to get bullpen contracts – good money, but not as good as you would be paid as a starter. Only the elite bullpen guys really get paid, and at that point it doesn’t matter whether you were an “opener” or a closer, they get paid based on results. Sergio Romo, the Rays opener is an above average bullpen arm and nothing more than that. When he hits free agency, I don’t think he’ll get paid any more if he was opening or closing for the Rays , he’ll get paid based on his ERA, WHIP, K/BB, etc.
Good on the rays for being over .500 after they sold off a majority of their MLB talent. That said, while they may have scrapped together a few extra wins, I don’t see any team without a starting rotation being in contention. I could be wrong. A good starting rotation is kinda essential over the course of a 162 game season. If there’s any playoff team to try it, it would be the Yankees – they have plenty of bullpen guys to use as openers, and CC and Tanaka are much more effective in shorter outings. Don’t ever see it happening.
That was done out of necessity,” Maddon said Tuesday afternoon. “If you don’t have enough starters that you like, you may choose to do something on a day, maybe two days. To see that becoming a part of the norm, I doubt it. If you want to do it that way, you would really have to nurture that in the minor leagues for a long time. I think you’re going to wear out bullpen dudes if you’re going to do something like that.”
Maddon also mentioned the conversations that managers would need to have with their veteran starters, who are used to preparing a certain way.
”Plus I don’t want to tell Jon Lester, ‘You’re coming in the second,’” Maddon said with a smile. “I don’t want to say, ‘You’ll be in there in the second inning, don’t worry about it.’
”And definitely don’t want to tell [former Cub] John Lackey that. That would be my worst nightmare right there. ‘John, I was thinking about something. What do you think, brother?’”
-Joe Maddon on Rays
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https://sontlive.com/listen-to-the-announcers-reactions-of-sorority-girls-ignoring-the-baseball-game/
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excrement is not good between Shatkins and Josh Donaldson, it seems.
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excrement is not good between Shatkins and Josh Donaldson, it seems.
Atkins is a retard
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So long, Josh Donaldson. Thank you for your service.
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Granderson traded to the Brewers for some bum
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Granderson traded to the Brewers for Josh Donaldson
fyp
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Once upon a time, many years ago I excelled in math and won awards. Metrics are total bullshit. The reality is Oakland won ZERO titles. Never has a team failed every season using a system that produced ZERO championships and then had the people running the team anointed geniuses for losing. What impresses people is Oakland was "competitive" despite having a low payroll as if being competitive is enough to call people geniuses. Even if using metrics was an advantage, it would only be an advantage if Oakland was the only team using the bullshit and actually winning titles with the bullshit. If every team uses metrics now it's no different than if was still the old way. If everyone uses it and different teams win the title every season just like before and nobody is able to win 140 games a season and 10 titles with math, it's no different than the old way. Teams end up with a normal, common baseball wins and losses totals just like they did before. If metrics actually worked teams winning the division wouldn't still be winning 90 to 100 and last place wouldn't still be 60 something wins like it always has been in baseball. Metrics are bullshit.
Despite having numbers in it, baseball isn't a computer simulation or math equation. You can't go back and simulate past seasons while adding a player back to the roster who missed the season due to injury. Therefore math proves nothing about the past or future. Baseball is real life and you only get one shot at each season and one shot at life. If life and the future could be predicted with a calculator, no scientist or mathematician ever gets divorced, gets stuck in traffic, totals his car or dies in a plane crash on the way to an AIDS conference. Their phony future predicting math would allow them to avoid those things that happen to all us alleged morons who don't use our calculators every day.
To simplify, if every car in NASCAR has different restrictions to keep all the drivers going the same top speed, being fast isn't enough to win. Your cars all go the same top speed so speed is the least important factor in who wins. Human talent or lack thereof still matters most and not wrecking helps a lot too. If everybody in baseball uses metrics now, metrics are the least important factor in who wins. That's even if it had ever been proven successful in the first place, which it never was and still hasn't been. Human talent is still the number one factor in who wins more games in a 162 game schedule. Math isn't what takes teams from the cellar to the penthouse. It's a Kris Bryant or Andrew McCutchen coming along. It's not putting together a team of bottom feeding scrubs who "compete". That MIT nerd is now going to "help" the Browns win ZERO titles and all the while making millions for a proven failure of how not to win a title. A few seasons ago Miguel Cabrera did something no one had done in 47 years because it's extremely hard to do it. Math nerds were claiming Mike Trout deserved MVP because their calculator told them so. Mike Trout is a scary great player but when another player does something nobody's done in 47 years and you dismiss it as not a big deal, you may understand math but you have no clue about reality and real life. Most people believe metrics are helpful. Most people also believe Tom Brady is best quarterback ever. How many people believe something is irrelevant. Reality matters and reality is Brady is mediocre at best most of his career. Most people are stupid, even people who graduated from MIT. This guy Bill James is the L. Ron Hubbard of baseball only his bullshit helps fewer people than the insane scientology does. If even one person has made it through life happier thanks to scientology, it's been more successful than metrics has been.
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^I read 4 of those words.
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Once upon a time, many years ago I excelled in math and won awards. Metrics are total bullshit. The reality is Oakland won ZERO titles. Never has a team failed every season using a system that produced ZERO championships and then had the people running the team anointed geniuses for losing. What impresses people is Oakland was "competitive" despite having a low payroll as if being competitive is enough to call people geniuses. Even if using metrics was an advantage, it would only be an advantage if Oakland was the only team using the bullshit and actually winning titles with the bullshit. If every team uses metrics now it's no different than if was still the old way. If everyone uses it and different teams win the title every season just like before and nobody is able to win 140 games a season and 10 titles with math, it's no different than the old way. Teams end up with a normal, common baseball wins and losses totals just like they did before. If metrics actually worked teams winning the division wouldn't still be winning 90 to 100 and last place wouldn't still be 60 something wins like it always has been in baseball. Metrics are bullshit.
Despite having numbers in it, baseball isn't a computer simulation or math equation. You can't go back and simulate past seasons while adding a player back to the roster who missed the season due to injury. Therefore math proves nothing about the past or future. Baseball is real life and you only get one shot at each season and one shot at life. If life and the future could be predicted with a calculator, no scientist or mathematician ever gets divorced, gets stuck in traffic, totals his car or dies in a plane crash on the way to an AIDS conference. Their phony future predicting math would allow them to avoid those things that happen to all us alleged morons who don't use our calculators every day.
To simplify, if every car in NASCAR has different restrictions to keep all the drivers going the same top speed, being fast isn't enough to win. Your cars all go the same top speed so speed is the least important factor in who wins. Human talent or lack thereof still matters most and not wrecking helps a lot too. If everybody in baseball uses metrics now, metrics are the least important factor in who wins. That's even if it had ever been proven successful in the first place, which it never was and still hasn't been. Human talent is still the number one factor in who wins more games in a 162 game schedule. Math isn't what takes teams from the cellar to the penthouse. It's a Kris Bryant or Andrew McCutchen coming along. It's not putting together a team of bottom feeding scrubs who "compete". That MIT nerd is now going to "help" the Browns win ZERO titles and all the while making millions for a proven failure of how not to win a title. A few seasons ago Miguel Cabrera did something no one had done in 47 years because it's extremely hard to do it. Math nerds were claiming Mike Trout deserved MVP because their calculator told them so. Mike Trout is a scary great player but when another player does something nobody's done in 47 years and you dismiss it as not a big deal, you may understand math but you have no clue about reality and real life. Most people believe metrics are helpful. Most people also believe Tom Brady is best quarterback ever. How many people believe something is irrelevant. Reality matters and reality is Brady is mediocre at best most of his career. Most people are stupid, even people who graduated from MIT. This guy Bill James is the L. Ron Hubbard of baseball only his bullshit helps fewer people than the insane scientology does. If even one person has made it through life happier thanks to scientology, it's been more successful than metrics has been.
thot?
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thot?
I'm glad you finally discovered the word thot, grandpa
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I'm glad you finally discovered the word thot, grandpa
get off my lawn
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https://twitter.com/jaclynreiss/status/1042456754284650498?s=21
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a few more weeks and we can deport John Gibbons....i am excite.
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Once upon a time, many years ago I excelled in math and won awards. Metrics are total bullshit....
Old me loves this rant.
Contemporary me disagrees a little more.
They're not the be-all-end-all to the conversation, but I think metrics help. Things like OBP for hitters, or WHIP for pitchers are good stats that help you determine what the player is likely to do. That said, none of them are robots.
I used to say "Give me 9 Derek Jeters, and I'll win the World Series every year." I still believe that too. It's not just about him as an on-field player. His personality was good for a clubhouse, and his drive pushed him further than someone else might have gone with the same talent. A team of 9 Barry Bonds might hit a lot of home runs, but they'd probably kill each other in the clubhouse sometime in mid-August.
It always makes me laugh when people write off "clutch" performers. Practically everyone who is at least in high school has been in some situation where they were under pressure to perform and either excelled or failed under those conditions. That a guy getting paid millions to do it wouldn't be subject to the same human emotion is ridiculous.
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The #Bluejays are making official what the baseball world has known all summer: John Gibbons will not return as manager. Eric Wedge and Stubby Clapp are two strong potential candidates
Eric Wedge confirmed
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The #Bluejays are making official what the baseball world has known all summer: John Gibbons will not return as manager. Eric Wedge and Stubby Clapp are two strong potential candidates
Eric Wedge confirmed
I'm on board with the Clapp.
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I'm on board with the Clapp.
Stubby Clapp sounds like something you go to the doctor for.
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Stubby Clapp sounds like something you go to the doctor for.
Stubbicus Clappikai
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Sounds like an old timey prospector.
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I don't want an inside promotion and I don't want someone from Cleveland.
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I don't want an inside promotion and I don't want someone from Cleveland.
Stubby Clapp would be my choice if we’re going internal.
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Stubby Clapp would be my choice if we’re going internal.
Stubby Clapp is manager of the Cardinals' AAA farm team. Wedge is in the Jays organisation.
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have it on good authority that wedge is going to be the guy
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#FireWedge
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Stubby Clapp is manager of the Cardinals' AAA farm team. Wedge is in the Jays organisation.
I thought Clapp was managing the Vancouver A ball team in the Jays system
Either way....he’s a good choice
Eric Wedge can drive off the nearest cliff.
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have it on good authority that wedge is going to be the guy
What do you know about baseball...you’re a Mets fan.
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have it on good authority that wedge is going to be the guy
My man
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I thought Clapp was managing the Vancouver A ball team in the Jays system
Either way....he’s a good choice
Eric Wedge can drive off the nearest cliff.
Tell me why an A ball manager is a good choice? Maybe this is why you want to fire your coaches immediately after they get the job
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Tell me why an A ball manager is a good choice? Maybe this is why you want to fire your coaches immediately after they get the job
He’s well thought of by the organization, is younger and brings a fresh perspective.
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He’s well thought of by the organization, is younger and brings a fresh perspective.
He's also not an A ball manager, he's managing a AAA club.
And he's called Shutty Wap.
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He's also not an A ball manager, he's managing a AAA club.
And he's called Shutty Wap.
He was in 2013...I didn’t know the Cards hired him away a few years ago.
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it'll be nice to retire the #FireGibbons hashtag. It's been a trusty, loyal friend for the last 4 years.
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it'll be nice to retire the #FireGibbons hashtag. It's been a trusty, loyal friend for the last 4 years.
It will be like your appetizer before we #FireBowles.
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It will be like your appetizer before we #FireBowles.
i just felt a tingle in my scrotum.
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i just felt a tingle in my scrotum.
Might have a case of Stubby Clapp.
On the topic of MLB, this looks like it's going to be a weed smoking, glue sniffing, heroin shooting three days for me. Maybe more.
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Apparently former Blue Jays SS John McDonald is a candidate for the manager position. Love this...the guy has an elite work ethic.
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Apparently former Blue Jays SS John McDonald is a candidate for the manager position. Love this...the guy has an elite work ethic.
Well loved at the Jays for sure, but his total lack of managerial experience would make me a little nervous. Still, it's not like rookie managers haven't turned out great before.
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Well loved at the Jays for sure, but his total lack of managerial experience would make me a little nervous. Still, it's not like rookie managers haven't turned out great before.
I want a relatively new candidate. They bring a fresh perspective. Gibbons was a garbage retread, i want the polar opposite to that.
I think Johnny Mac might be my top choice, the more i think about it.
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The Marlins traded the reigning MVP and the likely MVP in the same offseason.
-Axisa
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https://mobile.twitter.com/joegigliosports/status/1046544790488313857
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Big day.
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Big day.
Happy with my team, 10 games under 500 in May, almost 10 games down, survived Colorado's 8-game winning streak this past week, and won the NL West in game 163. On to the playoffs.
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Am I wrong, or is the only way an NL team can have home field in the World Series is if Cleveland makes it?
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Am I wrong, or is the only way an NL team can have home field in the World Series is if Cleveland makes it?
Haven't even looked. Been focused on Colorado, Arizona and this past week St Louis only.
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Can't wait to watch Lester follow up that huge K with one of his own at the plate.
Edit: lol
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Electrifying walk by Contreras.
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freaking slider throwing fuckhead
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Baez!
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Putrid offensive performance from Chicago, in what is ultimately for them, a failed season.
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postseason baseball always feels nice, even when your team isn't in it. and my team's never in it lol. doesn't change the enjoyment though
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Putrid offensive performance from Chicago, in what is ultimately for them, a failed season.
They have to be disappointed, blew a late lead in their division and lost two playoff games at home to two different teams.
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Tonight’s Brewers-Rockies NLDS Game 1 pitching matchup. Brandon Woodruff vs. Antonio Senzatela. Woooo.
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LOS ANGELES -- The first plot twist of the National League Division Series already arrived and the Atlanta Braves and Los Angeles Dodgers have not even played a game.
The Dodgers announced that Hyun-Jin Ryu and not Clayton Kershaw will start Game 1 of the series on Thursday at Dodger Stadium, even though Kershaw will be on regular rest after last pitching Saturday in San Francisco.
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Ryu pitched Friday, Kershaw Saturday. It hasn't been uncommon for a lot of the starters to get an extra day's rest all year, especially the veterans. Not that much of a story.
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Ryu pitched Friday, Kershaw Saturday. It hasn't been uncommon for a lot of the starters to get an extra day's rest all year, especially the veterans. Not that much of a story.
The article went on to say that they were keeping their rotation in order, I still found that interesting though. Doesn’t really matter too much
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I understand it sounds odd to not have Kershaw start Game 1 will full rest to people who don't follow the team every day. He's had a good second half but hasn't been head and shoulders above the other starters. Ryu, Buhler and Hill have all been sharp, I'm glad they kept it the way they're been going.
Ryu got a hit too, in case nobody noticed.
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Ryu pitched Friday, Kershaw Saturday. It hasn't been uncommon for a lot of the starters to get an extra day's rest all year, especially the veterans. Not that much of a story.
They’re both cocksuckers
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The Astros ALDS bullpen is so stacked that if we take five of the big names who did *not* make the roster...
H. Rondon
J. Smith
C. Devenski
B. Peacock
F. Valdez
... they combined for a 3.40 ERA, a .223/.298/.387 line, and a 28% K.
Their .298 wOBA is basically Price/Bumgarner.
No Devenski and Rondon is mind boggling. Rondon closed for much of the year in between Giles and Osuna, and Devenski was their best releiver last year. Some other good names on that list too.
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They’re both cocksuckers
Haha coming from you I'm good with it.
I kind of like that they've been in battle mode all of September through Monday, and just keep rolling the rotation and taking on these game the way they've been. Last year they wrapped up the division in August and had to snap back into it, which they did, but I like where we're at now better.
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Not if he doesn't appear in any.
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I don't understand how fans of teams with multiple championships in recent memory can be so crippled with inferiority complexes.
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Not if he doesn't appear in any.
that'd be a great insult if we didnt just win 3 world series
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I don't understand how fans of teams with multiple championships in recent memory can be so crippled with inferiority complexes.
"27 rings"
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"27 rings"
you literally just did this same thing in the post you made prior to this one
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that'd be a great insult if we didnt just win 3 world series
More of a fact than an insult. I'm interested in tonight, not four years ago, or eight or whatever.
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you literally just did this same thing in the post you made prior to this one
not really. the reference was to madison winning world series, whereas kershaw has none.
the 27 rings reference was because some dumbass yankee meatheads like to use that as an excuse for litterally everything.
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Everyone knows Madbum has a girthier rooster than Kershaw
I've done extensive measurements using broadcast stills
Dumbass Yankees fans don't understand the math behind it
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not really. the reference was to madison winning world series, whereas kershaw has none.
When you apply a team goal to an individual you're going to find all kinds of inconsistencies. Had this same argument about Patrick Ewing for about 15-20 years.
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According to Sportsnet's Shi Davidi...the Jays are believed to be down to 5 candidates for their mgr position (the article only cites 4 possibilities):
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/news/blue-jays-believed-to-be-down-to-five-candidates-for-new-manager/ar-BBOtmOX?ocid=ientp
-Joe Espada (Astros Bench coach)
-David Bell (Giants farm director)
-Rocco Baldelli (Rays field coordinator)
-Brandon Hyde (Cubs Bench coach)
My assumption is the 5th is probably Stubby Clapp
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Espada doesn't have a long resume but I like his pedigree.
Also, no Wedge?
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Espada doesn't have a long resume but I like his pedigree.
Also, no Wedge?
Don't say his name ever again
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Don't say his name ever again
If I say it four more times will he appear?
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If I say it four more times will he appear?
do you enjoy losing that much to risk it?
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do you enjoy losing that much to risk it?
Years of experience has hardened me to it. But no, no I don't. I'd like to try watching a winning team for a change.
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Osuna you freaking scumbag loser gahhhhh
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Wow, late night.
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Happy for Kershaw, 7 good innings, 1 run, 9 Ks. Even scored a run.
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freaking pathetic
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jmastrodonato/status/1053744022383198211
What the actual freak
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Am I being trolled or is this guy that much of a bundle of sticks
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Am I being trolled or is this guy that much of a bundle of sticks
I don't believe you take belly button rings out and put them back in. Pretty sure he's trolling.
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Challenge: Read this top paragraph and don’t laugh:
According to Jesse Sanchez, outfielders and brothers Victor Mesa Jr. and Victor Victor Mesa have left Cuba to pursue MLB contracts. They are the sons of Victor Mesa Sr., a legendary player and manager in Cuba. Victor Victor is 21 while Victor Jr. is only 16. Both will be subject to the international spending restrictions once they are cleared to sign, a process that should take several weeks.
Victor Victor is the more highly regarded prospect and, according to Ben Badler (subs. req’d), he has “star potential” and is comparable to Nationals top prospect Victor Robles. “If (Victor Victor) were in the draft next month, I think he would be a top 10 overall pick, with the potential to go No. 1 overall,” added Badler. There’s very little information out there about Victor Jr. at the moment, though he is not the same caliber prospect as his older brother.
“marlins have indeed signed victor victor and victor jr. victor victor, 22, is known as a great defender in the OF. both showed well at bat in the showcase. 1 victor, a lefty, is 5 years younger.”
Wow, marlins actually doing stuff. This is the exact type of move they need to be making.
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Dodgers vs Boston.
Here we go.
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Dodgers vs Boston.
Here we go.
I hate one of those teams, and dislike the other. My first hope is that game 1 lasts 72 innings and every players' arm falls off.
In lieu of that, "anyone but the Red Sox."
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Go Dodgers Go
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Go meteor
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The winner should have to hire John Gibbons
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The winner should have to hire John Gibbons
dont think hes welcome back in boston
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the Jays hired the Rays' bench coach, Charlie Montoyo, to be their new manager.
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the Jays hired the Rays' bench coach, Charlie Montoyo, to be their new manager.
smartest thing theyve done since firing gibbons the first time
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Let’s gooooo
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holy excrement devers threw that clear across the diamond and nailed the dude in the bottom of the 9th. holy excrement what a throw
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freak Boston
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I hate the Dodgers but being surrounded by Boston fans is the freaking worst.
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Should have left Hill in for at least the 7th, he was doing fine, 90 pitches.
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Wait Dave Roberts is batting his worst hitter, Kike Hernandez, 3 tonight
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Wait Dave Roberts is batting his worst hitter, Kike Hernandez, 3 tonight
Lmao
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price is dealing tonight. kershaw has missed like 3 times, but has paid for it
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nvm the wheels are off kershaw is fucked
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red sox 2018 world champions
freak you manny machado, nice strikeout
https://streamable.com/rhymv
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Dave Roberts is such a freaking assclown. Kike Hernandez 0-4. Bellinger gets 1 PH Ab. This guy was trying to lose
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Dave Roberts is such a freaking assclown. Kike Hernandez 0-4. Bellinger gets 1 PH Ab. This guy was trying to lose
He over thinks the lineup every game, especially vs lefties. Kike homered at the end of Game 4 and Roberts was hoping he'd get hot, he's streaky, but I don't know why he was in the 3 spot. The only guy hitting was Freese and he took him out.
I don't get pulling the starters when they have the game under control, particularly Hill in Game 4. I understand all season with the pitch count but this is the World Series, his last start. What are you saving him for? You need a few more outs to survive and advance, he was getting outs. Same thing with Buehler in Game 3, he got away with it 11 innings later but the kid is 21 and had set down 14 in a row. Kershaw hasn't looked like himself all year but he battled and I have no problem with the effort he gave.
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Nice for those long-suffering Bostonites to finally get a title to celebrate.
Thanks for nothing LA.
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Nice for those long-suffering Bostonites to finally get a title to celebrate.
Thanks for nothing LA.
Yeah, I can't think of a less deserving fan base. In Game 1 I saw a Patriots hat in the crowd and it was just instant hate, like I didn't have enough invested already. freak them.
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My case for Shohei Ohtani for AL Rookie of the year:
-Got hurt
-Missed time
-Team went nowhere
-May never pitch again
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https://twitter.com/botilly/status/1057709432052895744
Suck on it
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As the Red Sox World Series championship parade was winding down Wednesday, a fan reportedly threw a beer towards the duck boat carrying the trophy. It struck the Commisioner's Trophy and slightly damaged it.
Worst
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https://mobile.twitter.com/wmur9/status/1057716754590380033
How freaking dumb are these degenerates
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https://mobile.twitter.com/chicks/status/1057707552002265088
Do you you guys know what the term “a Boston 10” means?
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For most of my life, I called Massachusetts residents Massholes because as a native New Yorker who'd never been to Boston I just spewed it out of ignorance. Then my 2 oldest kids went to Boston for college so I've spent a lot of time up there the past 5 or so years.
Now I call them Massholes because I know I was right.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/themightyerock/status/1057749640248991745
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For most of my life, I called Massachusetts residents Massholes because as a native New Yorker who'd never been to Boston I just spewed it out of ignorance. Then my 2 oldest kids went to Boston for college so I've spent a lot of time up there the past 5 or so years.
Now I call them Massholes because I know I was right.
I know I bitch about it a lot but CT people pretending to be massholes freaking drives me insane. I already have to deal with the real ones enouhh
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Sources: The Los Angeles Dodgers and Clayton Kershaw are nearing a deal that would keep him in Los Angeles. One source said it's "very close." The expectation was that he would stay, and as the 4 p.m. ET deadline nears, it's looking like a reality
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Sources: The Los Angeles Dodgers and Clayton Kershaw are nearing a deal that would keep him in Los Angeles. One source said it's "very close." The expectation was that he would stay, and as the 4 p.m. ET deadline nears, it's looking like a reality
Good. Was thinking this would work out ok.
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Good. Was thinking this would work out ok.
He must really like losing the World Series, huh?
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He must really like losing the World Series, huh?
IATA thanks you for this post.