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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on August 15, 2017, 09:15:08 AM
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The Jets miss out on the #1 pick. Hackenberg looks atrocious this year. McGlinchey and Saquon Barkley are off the board.
Who are you taking, Josh Allen or Josh Rosen? Who else is in the conversation? Mason Rudolph? Lamar Jackson? Luke Falk?
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Who are you taking, Josh Allen or Josh Rosen?
yes
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Who are you taking, Josh Allen or Josh Rosen? Who else is in the conversation? Mason Rudolph? Lamar Jackson? Luke Falk?
Trey Adams
Courtland Sutton
Josh Allen
Harold Landry
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http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/70802/uscs-sam-darnold-clams-up-when-asked-about-playing-for-jets
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http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/70802/uscs-sam-darnold-clams-up-when-asked-about-playing-for-jets
That's just his personality.
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That's just his personality.
I liked Josh Allen's response
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Darnold played so well last year. Looked head and shoulders above the others. Hope he keeps it up and we get him. excrement happens though.
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South Dakota State wideout Jake Wieneke is the great white hope of this draft class.
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The Jets miss out on the #1 pick. Hackenberg looks atrocious this year. McGlinchey and Saquon Barkley are off the board.
Who are you taking, Josh Allen or Josh Rosen? Who else is in the conversation? Mason Rudolph? Lamar Jackson? Luke Falk?
Allen or Rosen. I like both guys a lot. Granted, lots of time for them to rise or fall, but as of now, I'd go Rosen. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Allen or Rosen ended up the No. 1 QB when it's all over. Plenty of time for stocks to rise and fall, and Darnold's sample size is still relatively small.
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freak all the front runner QB prospects. We're taking Caylin Newton.
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freak all the front runner QB prospects. We're taking Caylin Newton.
Bad attitude, lazy, fake smile, not a leader
/Nawrocki'd
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Bad attitude, lazy, fake smile, not a leader
/Nawrocki'd
SBTG
/Badger'd
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I'll never understand why people think that Luke Falk is good.
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Hercules Mata'afa is a beast.
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Whats the deal with Lamar Jackson? Is he a legit QB prospect?
He looks like he's the best athlete on the field at all times... And a cannon for an arm.
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Whats the deal with Lamar Jackson? Is he a legit QB prospect?
He looks like he's the best athlete on the field at all times... And a cannon for an arm.
I don't want him give me a real franchise QB
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Whats the deal with Lamar Jackson? Is he a legit QB prospect?
He looks like he's the best athlete on the field at all times... And a cannon for an arm.
Yes, he's a legit QB prospect, but he's going to be a really tough evaluation. He's probably a 1st-round pick. The obvious comparison is Michael Vick. Except Jackson is bigger, and he might be a more accurate passer.
Jackson is thinner than you'd like, his accuracy is inconsistent, he sometimes makes some really bad decisions, and he runs more than most NFL teams would want their quarterbacks to run. However, he's got a cannon for an arm, he's fast as hell, and he's ridiculously productive.
This weekend's game against Clemson is the one to watch.
My biggest problem with Jackson, as it is with most running quarterbacks, is usually once guys like him get to the NFL, teams want to immediately curb his running. It makes sense because you want them to stay healthy, but that's also the most dynamic part of Jackson's game.
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I don't want him give me a real franchise QB
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Jackson is probably, at this point in time, getting drafted behind 3 other QBs. If that's the pick we have for whatever reason, I would take him in a heartbeat. Like I said in another thread, Mahomes went 10 and Watson went 12 this past year. Oh yeah, and Trubisky went 2. I think he's better than all of them.
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http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/70802/uscs-sam-darnold-clams-up-when-asked-about-playing-for-jets
http://www.businessinsider.com/sam-darnold-josh-rosen-skip-draft-adam-schefter-2017-9
Why is schefter being such a player of the pink oboe? This dude fitting to get cracked in the jaw
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Yeah, I'm sure they'd risk millions of dollars to avoid practicing in Florham Park.
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Yeah, I'm sure they'd risk millions of dollars to avoid practicing in Florham Park.
"I come from a wealthy, affluent, educated family." - Josh Rosen
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2663894-josh-rosen-discusses-outspoken-nature-paying-college-football-players
People are going to come after him in the pre-draft process because he loves to talk and stir the pot, but I love this excrement.
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Rosen strikes me as the type of guy who would really relish the opportunity to be a starting quarterback in NY.
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"I come from a wealthy, affluent, educated family." - Josh Rosen
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2663894-josh-rosen-discusses-outspoken-nature-paying-college-football-players
People are going to come after him in the pre-draft process because he loves to talk and stir the pot, but I love this excrement.
Undraftable, let him drop to da classless Jets
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Rosen strikes me as the type of guy who would really relish the opportunity to be a starting quarterback in NY.
100% agree
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http://www.businessinsider.com/sam-darnold-josh-rosen-skip-draft-adam-schefter-2017-9
Why is schefter being such a player of the pink oboe? This dude fitting to get cracked in the jaw
How come this is never a media narrative when the Browns or Lions are destined for a top 5 pick?
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How come this is never a media narrative when the Browns or Lions are destined for a top 5 pick?
Yeah... I mean hate on the Jets all you want, but they have had more success in the last decade+ than your typical top 3 picks. Browns, Jaguars, Rams, Titans, Raiders, Bills, Lions, ect. Also, NY is a hell of a lot better than playing in Buffalo or Cleveland.
I guess stirring the pot sells more.
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Josh Allen's draft stock steadily dropping.
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How come this is never a media narrative when the Browns or Lions are destined for a top 5 pick?
I haven't watched the interviews in full, but it's been Schefter pushing this narrative 2 times now.
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I haven't watched the interviews in full, but it's been Schefter pushing this narrative 2 times now.
I don't think it's just him. Others have too.
Joke's on him. We will finish last in 2018 also.
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Yeah... I mean hate on the Jets all you want, but they have had more success in the last decade+ than your typical top 3 picks. Browns, Jaguars, Rams, Titans, Raiders, Bills, Lions, ect. Also, NY is a hell of a lot better than playing in Buffalo or Cleveland.
I guess stirring the pot sells more.
Yeah, we all know the Jets are going to be picking a QB so creating the narrative that someone doesn't want to come here or whoever gets drafted here will be a disaster will get a lot more page views than "oh hey, the browns drafted a QB again". Nobody cares about that.
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I don't think it's just him. Others have too.
Joke's on him. We will finish last in 2018 also.
Only to have Sam Darnold return to USC for another year
Also, sourcez? I'd be interested to see
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Yeah, we all know the Jets are going to be picking a QB so creating the narrative that someone doesn't want to come here or whoever gets drafted here will be a disaster will get a lot more page views than "oh hey, the browns drafted a QB again". Nobody cares about that.
A lot of things can change. Some of these QBs may fall off a cliff and we may end up winning a few games too many to draft one. We could end up faced with a decision of drafting the 3rd best QB or an elite OLB or something like that.
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CBS has Rosen behind Rudolph o.0
Wut... I honestly don't really the Rudolph hype (not here)... He reminds me of Bryce Petty with a worse arm.
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if any of these QB prospects were looking at the prospect of being the #1 pick if it meant playing/living in NY, they'd freaking jump at the opportunity
this narrative has to stop. as a whole the jets are just plain disrespected by the NFL and those who write about football. in 2004 nobody was saying this about the NYG and they didn't even have the 1st pick, they were 4th
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if any of these QB prospects were looking at the prospect of being the #1 pick if it meant playing/living in NY, they'd freaking jump at the opportunity
this narrative has to stop. as a whole the jets are just plain disrespected by the NFL and those who write about football. in 2004 nobody was saying this about the NYG and they didn't even have the 1st pick, they were 4th
Except that year it did actually happen to San Diego when Eli bitched out.
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Except that year it did actually happen to San Diego when Eli bitched out.
but them mufuggas were vocal about their dislike for the SD franchise from the start
all this 'NY Jet hate' right now is just pure made up unsubstantiated BS
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Rashaad Penny is a really, really good running back
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Rashaad Penny is a really, really good running back
Next year is loaded at RB.... maybe, just maybe we finally draft a stud?
Darnold/Jones rounds 1/2?
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A lot of things can change. Some of these QBs may fall off a cliff and we may end up winning a few games too many to draft one. We could end up faced with a decision of drafting the 3rd best QB or an elite OLB or something like that.
I don't know man, I feel like if we are not in position to or aiming to draft a QB in the 2018 draft then we fucked this up. This is the perfect storm of an absurdly deep QB class (albeit, like you said they look good now but that can change), and a Jets team with very very little talent and a hard schedule. freak an OLB, we're never going to compete without a good QB. We haven't had a franchise QB in what feels like forever. Pick one and let's roll.
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I don't know man, I feel like if we are not in position to or aiming to draft a QB in the 2018 draft then we fucked this up. This is the perfect storm of an absurdly deep QB class (albeit, like you said they look good now but that can change), and a Jets team with very very little talent and a hard schedule. freak an OLB, we're never going to compete without a good QB. We haven't had a franchise QB in what feels like forever. Pick one and let's roll.
It would be refreshing to have a QB that we definitely plan on being THE dude. Haven't done it since Sanchez. Geno and Hack are both projects.
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It would be refreshing to have a QB that we definitely plan on being THE dude. Haven't done it since Sanchez. Geno and Hack both suck.
Fixed
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It seems like Darnold is putting a gap between him and everyone else. So if we want Darnold, we will need to be No. 1. Then we'd have to make up our mind on Allen and Rosen. Allen's stock is dropping, as it should, but he still could be a high pick. Rosen could also be a high pick. Maybe Lamar Jackson could sneak into the top 3, but not sure Rudolph can.
Lamar is the most interesting prospect in the draft. Can he fit an NFL system? Will he get murdered in the NFL with his thin frame? He's got a cannon arm, he makes some obvious NFL throws, and he's an amazing runner, but teams will be scared off.
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How does Mayfield compare to Deshaun Watson as a prospect?
If Mayfield keeps progressing, would it be crazy to say that he's a better prospect than Watson was?
I had/have concerns about both of their down field ability, but Mayfield's arm may be better. He may also be more accurate, and from the few games I've seen, I believe he asked to more within the offense as far as progressions than Watson was at Clemson. I personally never loved Watson as a prospect, so it may not be saying much...
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How does Mayfield compare to Deshaun Watson as a prospect?
Better credit score, more genuine smile, etc.
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It seems like Darnold is putting a gap between him and everyone else. So if we want Darnold, we will need to be No. 1. Then we'd have to make up our mind on Allen and Rosen. Allen's stock is dropping, as it should, but he still could be a high pick. Rosen could also be a high pick. Maybe Lamar Jackson could sneak into the top 3, but not sure Rudolph can.
Lamar is the most interesting prospect in the draft. Can he fit an NFL system? Will he get murdered in the NFL with his thin frame? He's got a cannon arm, he makes some obvious NFL throws, and he's an amazing runner, but teams will be scared off.
Allen is getting alot of excrement right now because he's losing games, but look at who he's playing with versus the competition he's playing against. Let's wait for the season to unfold before we say he's going to drop.
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How does Mayfield compare to Deshaun Watson as a prospect?
If Mayfield keeps progressing, would it be crazy to say that he's a better prospect than Watson was?
I had/have concerns about both of their down field ability, but Mayfield's arm may be better. He may also be more accurate, and from the few games I've seen, I believe he asked to more within the offense as far as progressions than Watson was at Clemson. I personally never loved Watson as a prospect, so it may not be saying much...
I don't know how to rank Mayfield as a prospect, but Watson was, is, and always will be trash as an NFL QB, so Mayfield is better.
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Nick Fitzgerald is becoming just as interesting as any QB prospect in the country with each passing week.
Interested to see him today against another quality defense.
Dak Prescott's NFL success after coming out of the same system will help Fitzgerald in the evaluation process as well.
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Nick Fitzgerald is becoming just as interesting as any QB prospect in the country with each passing week.
Interested to see him today against another quality defense.
Dak Prescott's NFL success after coming out of the same system will help Fitzgerald in the evaluation process as well.
Fitzgerald barely even threw the ball when he was in high school. He threw 76 passes in his senior year. He looks good, but I think he would be a project for whoever take him. I have him at 75-1 to win the Heisman, so I hope he emerges!
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Fitzgerald barely even threw the ball when he was in high school. He threw 76 passes in his senior year. He looks good, but I think he would be a project for whoever take him. I have him at 75-1 to win the Heisman, so I hope he emerges!
I jinxed the hell out of him.
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Barkley round 1, then draft Jackson or Mayfield (maybe trade up into the first with the two 2nds)?
That would be fun.
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Barkley round 1, then draft Jackson or Mayfield (maybe trade up into the first with the two 2nds)?
That would be fun.
I'd take the Barkley/Jackson combo in a heartbeat.
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Barkley/Jackson would be freaking electric
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Barkley/Jackson would be freaking electric
like mookie Betts?
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like mookie Betts?
More like clint Frazier
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More like clint Frazier
who?
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who?
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2935063.1483587239!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/frazierweb5s-i7x-web.jpg)
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krang?
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Who needs Saquon Barkley when we got the Book of Eli?
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(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2935063.1483587239!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/frazierweb5s-i7x-web.jpg)
Carrot top?
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I would love to see Barkley on this team.
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Josh Allen has been better as of late. I'd still take him in the top half of the 1st... He's got some Cam Newton to him. He's a risky pick, but a ton of upside. Apparently Duff was at the game last weekend vs Utah State.
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I'd still take him in the top half of the 1st.
I wouldn't. I'd take him at the end of the first or early in the second.
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Works fine for me
Sam doesn't want to play here.
And 1)I don't want the next Leinart, Barkley or Buttfumble to be drafted by the Jets
2) Even if I did, our 6 or more wins will take him of the board long after the Browns or Niners or Midgets send his card
Sheffter and the entire ESPNE gang can go freak themselves
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Works fine for me
Sam doesn't want to play here.
And 1)I don't want the next Leinart, Barkley or Buttfumble to be drafted by the Jets
2) Even if I did, our 6 or more wins will take him of the board long after the Browns or Niners or Midgets send his card
Sheffter and the entire ESPNE gang can go freak themselves
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Why are you in the draft forum?...
This should be the one place free of your keyboard diarrhea
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Works fine for me
Sam doesn't want to play here.
And 1)I don't want the next Leinart, Barkley or Buttfumble to be drafted by the Jets
2) Even if I did, our 6 or more wins will take him of the board long after the Browns or Niners or Midgets send his card
Sheffter and the entire ESPNE gang can go freak themselves
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lol
this post is the poster child for being grossly misinformed.
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Why are you in the draft forum?...
This should be the one place free of your keyboard diarrhea
Its a deal
I'll avoid this forum
If you keep your ignorance out of the other ones
You can be the Joel Buchsbaum of JO
Congrats
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Its a deal
I'll avoid this forum
If you keep your ignorance out of the other ones
You can be the Joel Buchsbaum of JO
Congrats
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laxin is a solid poster.
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laxin is a solid poster.
No one here is a solid poster. We all suck. I like to think of this place as the pinnacle of shitposts.
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I think we need to go OL early this year.
I'm also hoping that Maccagnan spends some money on OL and WR.
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I think we need to go OL early this year.
I'm also hoping that Maccagnan spends some money on OL and WR.
I'd be happy with going early on a QB, and loading up on OL afterward.
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Is it really a good idea to take o-line high in the draft anymore? I don't feel like I linemen are really prepared for the NFal.coming out of college with the way offenses are run. There are exceptions. I'd rather buy offensive linemen. We have cash now. They don't grow on trees however. Will have to overpay. Buy a proven pass rusher too. It's been 500 years since we had one.
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I think we need to go OL early this year.
I'm also hoping that Maccagnan spends some money on OL and WR.
100% agree. I'd like to draft another receiver too.
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Is it really a good idea to take o-line high in the draft anymore? I don't feel like I linemen are really prepared for the NFal.coming out of college with the way offenses are run. There are exceptions. I'd rather buy offensive linemen. We have cash now. They don't grow on trees however. Will have to overpay. Buy a proven pass rusher too. It's been 500 years since we had one.
Yes it is. OL is going to be increasingly difficult to fix via free agency as teams are more willing to dole out big contracts as good olineman arr not easy to find.
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You can always get a Gord in the later rounds
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Josh Allen is a mid-round prospect.
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Josh Allen is a mid-round prospect.
Can he play Gord
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With Darnolds performances of late, is he still as elite a prospect as we were hoping last spring? Or is he more in the Marcus Mariota/Jameis Winston/RG3/Jarod Goff class rather than Luck/Manning/Elway?
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With Darnolds performances of late, is he still as elite a prospect as we were hoping last spring? Or is he more in the Marcus Mariota/Jameis Winston/RG3/Jarod Goff class rather than Luck/Manning/Elway?
Unless he starts lighting it up, I'm quite sure he'll stay in school. He should.
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If the draft was today, he'd still be the top pick.
USC's OL and offensive staff have been awful this season.
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If the Jets season trends downward for the rest of 2017, i'd like to see them draft McGlinchey in the 1st round....and depending how the rest of the first round unfolds, i'd like to see them get a QB with their next pick. Perhaps using their two second round picks to trade back into the 1st round if need be.
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Josh Allen is a mid-round prospect.
He reminds me of a slightly better version of Hackenberg. Big, strong arm, pretty athletic, looks the part, but not much in terms of production.
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Draft research today to distract me from Jets related sadness
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Draft research today to distract me from Jets related sadness
Who are the best defensive linemen?
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Who are the best defensive linemen?
Derwin James?
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Derwin James?
Darvin
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Derwin James?
Start your research there
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McGlinchey got beat like a drum against Miami
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McGlinchey got beat like a drum against Miami
CHUKWUMA OKOROFOR
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CHUKWUMA OKOROFOR
What’s the deal? I first heard of him about a month ago, and now it seems like he’s surpassed Mitch Hyatt/Conor Williams/Orlando Brown. Is he a legit top 5 LT prospect?
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What’s the deal? I first heard of him about a month ago, and now it seems like he’s surpassed Mitch Hyatt/Conor Williams/Orlando Brown. Is he a legit top 5 LT prospect?
He is the best athlete of all of them. I expect him to test really well at the combine.
He could have an Eric Fisher like climb.
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IMO, this draft is loaded at:
1) RB
2) OL
3) QB
Earn your extension Duff
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IMO, this draft is loaded at:
1) RB
2) OL
3) QB
Earn your extension Duff
yep...no excuses.
or playoff mandate either. Party on Wayne, Party on Garth.
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IMO, this draft is loaded at:
1) RB
2) OL
3) QB
Earn your extension Duff
If they can acquire a QB pre-draft, and they draft Barkley, then a center and tackle in the second round, I'd have a hard time complaining. I might even be okay with it if they only manage to bring back McCown and get a second-tier free agent QB, but then I'd definitely want to see at least a project QB taken in the third round.
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If they can acquire a QB pre-draft, and they draft Barkley, then a center and tackle in the second round, I'd have a hard time complaining. I might even be okay with it if they only manage to bring back McCown and get a second-tier free agent QB, but then I'd definitely want to see at least a project QB taken in the third round.
If they don't get a FA QB, and skip this years early prospects to stick with McCown, that first pick has to be LT.
I'd take Anderson from OK high in the second. Perfect replacement for Forte.
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If they don't get a FA QB, and skip this years early prospects to stick with McCown, that first pick has to be LT.
I'd take Anderson from OK high in the second. Perfect replacement for Forte.
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If they don't acquire a pre-draft QB, and they don't pick a QB in the first round, things are going to get really ugly, really quickly for Bowles and Maccagnan. In the scenario you described, Hackenberg had better be some well-kept secret HOF-caliber QB.
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If they don't acquire a pre-draft QB, and they don't pick a QB in the first round, things are going to get really ugly, really quickly for Bowles and Maccagnan. In the scenario you described, Hackenberg had better be some well-kept secret HOF-caliber QB.
I guess it depends on how it shakes out. If we get into the cousins war and ultimately lose to say the Cardinals, then while we are fighting that, Minnesota and Buffalo sign the next tier of QB, and then in the draft we outwardly try to trade up to 3 with Indy, but lose the bidding war to Denver and Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield go 1-2-3. Can our fans and owners accept what has happened in that scenario? Or do they still demand Duff and Bowles heads on a platter?
I don't know, but I can see the scenario where there simply aren't enough QB's to go around and somebody is going to lose "musical QB's" this offseason, and you just have to hope it isn't us.
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I guess it depends on how it shakes out. If we get into the cousins war and ultimately lose to say the Cardinals, then while we are fighting that, Minnesota and Buffalo sign the next tier of QB, and then in the draft we outwardly try to trade up to 3 with Indy, but lose the bidding war to Denver and Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield go 1-2-3. Can our fans and owners accept what has happened in that scenario? Or do they still demand Duff and Bowles heads on a platter?
I don't know, but I can see the scenario where there simply aren't enough QB's to go around and somebody is going to lose "musical QB's" this offseason, and you just have to hope it isn't us.
Eli Manning and possibly AJ McCarron are still out there. And then there's the mix of Bradford, Bridgewater, possibly Alex Smith. And there will be other QBs in the draft, even if they're not elite prospects.
The Jets cannot end this offseason without a new potential starting QB. It's okay if McCown comes back and is the assumed starter early if they draft a kid that isn't a day one guy, but they have to do something to address the position this spring.
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Eli Manning and possibly AJ McCarron are still out there. And then there's the mix of Bradford, Bridgewater, possibly Alex Smith. And there will be other QBs in the draft, even if they're not elite prospects.
The Jets cannot end this offseason without a new potential starting QB. It's okay if McCown comes back and is the assumed starter early if they draft a kid that isn't a day one guy, but they have to do something to address the position this spring.
Thats kind of what I was getting at. If all else fails I'm fine with getting a LT to protect McCown and going some combination of RB/QB in the 2nd.
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If they don't get a FA QB, and skip this years early prospects to stick with McCown, that first pick has to be LT.
I'd take Anderson from OK high in the second. Perfect replacement for Forte.
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Is he draft eligible?
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Is he draft eligible?
He is but Lincoln Riley said earlier today that he doesn’t think he’ll declare.
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Is he draft eligible?
He was injured as a sophomore, so I assume this was his junior year.
I tried to check, got bored trying. Deferring to E.
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Well OK then.
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Need that dude so we can have Robbie and Rodney Anderson
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Apparently draftbreakdown is shutting down, so here's a new database with all of the prospects and videos of them:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13RgfxMu4CW0NKMZebZ88cgg7b7MlszjfzXxEeId7Y34/edit?usp=sharing
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Apparently draftbreakdown is shutting down, so here's a new database with all of the prospects and videos of them:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13RgfxMu4CW0NKMZebZ88cgg7b7MlszjfzXxEeId7Y34/edit?usp=sharing
U da man
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Wow, that sucks. Didn't know it was shutting down.
Aren't all the videos going to remain on YouTube though?
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Coming out of college, how would you rank Zeke Elliott, Saquon Barkley, Leonard Fournette and Dalvin Cook? Strictly on the field.
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Coming out of college, how would you rank Zeke Elliott, Saquon Barkley, Leonard Fournette and Dalvin Cook? Strictly on the field.
Barkley, AP, Gurley, Zeke, Fournette, Cook
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Barkley, AP, Gurley, Zeke, Fournette, Cook
Barkley's that good, huh?
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Barkley's that good, huh?
I mean, if you’re grading out of 100 you can make the argument that those 1st 4 guys are all a 98/99 grade if that’s what you’re going to assign them. And then at that point it’s just a matter of personal preference
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Coming out of college, how would you rank Zeke Elliott, Saquon Barkley, Leonard Fournette and Dalvin Cook? Strictly on the field.
Barkley, Elliott, Fournette, Cook
Barkley is the best RB prospect I've seen in the last decade+
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Barkley's that good, huh?
As an all around back, he's better than AP. Barkley is a great pass-catcher. AP was never great in the passing game, but Barkley is someone that can catch 50+ passes a year.
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I'll be paying close attention to Josh Allen this offseason. I know he didn't have a great season, and his accuracy stinks. But if he shows well at the combine/senior bowl/pro day, he'll be on Duff's radar if he isn't already, and will most likely be there at 6 (I don't believe the Cleveland hype).
Disclaimer** - he's not my first choice and I would prefer to pass on him. But I keep hearing the Jets spent a lot of time scouting him, so I'd like to be prepared in case he's selected.
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I'll be paying close attention to Josh Allen this offseason. I know he didn't have a great season, and his accuracy stinks. But if he shows well at the combine/senior bowl/pro day, he'll be on Duff's radar if he isn't already, and will most likely be there at 6 (I don't believe the Cleveland hype).
Disclaimer** - he's not my first choice and I would prefer to pass on him. But I keep hearing the Jets spent a lot of time scouting him, so I'd like to be prepared in case he's selected.
I think the Senior Bowl will be huge for him. A strong week from him there could mitigate some concern, but certainly not all of it.
There's other QBs that I would certainly prefer there, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be able to talk myself into that pick if it were to happen.
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Barkley, Elliott, Fournette, Cook
Barkley is the best RB prospect I've seen in the last decade+
And somehow I can't help but think that if we drafted Barkley, he'd turn into Ki-Jana Carter / Blair Thomas
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Best RB prospects since 2007 (AP's first season)
1. Ezekiel Elliott
2. Todd Gurley (would have been No. 1 if he weren't coming off an ACL)
3. Adrian Peterson
4. Saquon Barkley
5. Trent Richardson
Elliott, Gurley and Peterson are better pure runners than Barkley. Barkley goes down a little too easily on first contact, and he disappeared in most of Penn State's big games this season. Don't get me wrong, he's an elite prospect, but we're comparing him against other elite prospects.
I wasn't nearly as high on Fournette. I thought Dalvin Cook was better.
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I'll be paying close attention to Josh Allen this offseason. I know he didn't have a great season, and his accuracy stinks. But if he shows well at the combine/senior bowl/pro day, he'll be on Duff's radar if he isn't already, and will most likely be there at 6 (I don't believe the Cleveland hype).
Disclaimer** - he's not my first choice and I would prefer to pass on him. But I keep hearing the Jets spent a lot of time scouting him, so I'd like to be prepared in case he's selected.
I completely agree with the sentiment of this post but I'll be making little to no effort to evaluate Allen.
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So I wanted to toss out this as an idea. If we lose Demario Davis this offseason for any reason, and sign a QB in FA, would anybody hate drafting Roquan Smith at 6?
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So I wanted to toss out this as an idea. If we lose Demario Davis this offseason for any reason, and sign a QB in FA, would anybody hate drafting Roquan Smith at 6?
Yes freak you, we're not drafting a low impact defensive player at #6.
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Yes freak you, we're not drafting a low impact defensive player at #6.
Low impact?
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DeAndre Baker is a fantastic corner.
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Low impact?
As in not a difference maker. Outstanding player, but not a maker of plays.
And anyway, we're not losing Davis.
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As in not a difference maker. Outstanding player, but not a maker of plays.
And anyway, we're not losing Davis.
If Roquan Smith isn’t a difference maker on the field then I don’t know who is.
He’s the best defensive player in college football.
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If Roquan Smith isn’t a difference maker on the field then I don’t know who is.
He’s the best defensive player in college football.
Like I said, outstanding player. But I'm not down with making an inside linebacker the #6 overall pick with our roster.
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Like I said, outstanding player. But I'm not down with making an inside linebacker the #6 overall pick with our roster.
If you could have Luke Keuchly on this team right now (not saying Smith is a comp to him, but he is one of the leagues best ILBs) you are saying you would skip that over for a much lesser prospect at a different position?
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If you could have Luke Keuchly on this team right now (not saying Smith is a comp to him, but he is one of the leagues best ILBs) you are saying you would skip that over for a much lesser prospect at a different position?
You think that every prospect at #6 in this draft could be much lesser? Tell me what that permutation is and I'll tell you which players I'd rather have.
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You think that every prospect at #6 in this draft could be much lesser?
No, but there aren't any who are better.
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No, but there aren't any who are better.
Tell me what the five players are who go ahead of him and I'll tell you which players I'll take at 6.
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Tell me what the five players are who go ahead of him and I'll tell you which players I'll take at 6.
My assumption is this is how the top 6 will go,
3 QBs - my choices would be Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield in that order
Saquon Barkley
Top rated OT
1 defensive player - Smith is my top graded player here, but pass rushers rule all so I could see Chubb or Key going before him.
In this scenario we don't need a QB and the top 3 are gone anyways, Barkley and whomever your #1 OL is are also taken. So I wouldn't force a QB pick, no playmaker on offense is worthy of the slot. Are you going to take a 2nd level OT in a class that isn't considered top notch? Or are you going to take a pass rusher like Chubb who might not fit in a 3-4 or Key who had a not so productive campaign? Or would you like another DB at the top of the draft?
I wouldn't be upset at all if we took Smith at 6.
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My assumption is this is how the top 6 will go,
3 QBs - my choices would be Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield in that order
Saquon Barkley
Top rated OT
1 defensive player - Smith is my top graded player here, but pass rushers rule all so I could see Chubb or Key going before him.
In this scenario we don't need a QB and the top 3 are gone anyways, Barkley and whomever your #1 OL is are also taken. So I wouldn't force a QB pick, no playmaker on offense is worthy of the slot. Are you going to take a 2nd level OT in a class that isn't considered top notch? Or are you going to take a pass rusher like Chubb who might not fit in a 3-4 or Key who had a not so productive campaign? Or would you like another DB at the top of the draft?
I wouldn't be upset at all if we took Smith at 6.
You're assuming that we've picked up Cousins in FA in this scenario? I'm probably not looking past a tackle at #6 then, because the second best tackle in the draft regardless of who it is is probably a more important player for us than an inside linebacker. You don't sign a veteran QB to the biggest contract in NFL history and then not make every effort to protect him.
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You're assuming that we've picked up Cousins in FA in this scenario? I'm probably not looking past a tackle at #6 then, because the second best tackle in the draft regardless of who it is is probably a more important player for us than an inside linebacker. You don't sign a veteran QB to the biggest contract in NFL history and then not make every effort to protect him.
My guess is if we get Cousins we'll get OL help in FA as well. It only makes sense. At that point Duff can do his BPA thing in the draft.
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My guess is if we get Cousins we'll get OL help in FA as well. It only makes sense. At that point Duff can do his BPA thing in the draft.
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People keep saying this, and I keep inviting them to look at the list of available linemen in free agency this year.
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People keep saying this, and I keep inviting them to look at the list of available linemen in free agency this year.
Yeah draft the best OL available at #6 is a better option than the list of free agency bums.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000909727/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft
Updated.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000909727/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2018-nfl-draft
Updated.
He is really high on the runningbacks in this class. Ronald Jones as the 14th best player, 4 inside the top 28, and 6 inside the top 50.
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He is really high on the runningbacks in this class. Ronald Jones as the 14th best player, 4 inside the top 28, and 6 inside the top 50.
He right doe
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Damn Tremaine Edmunds 3. His stock has been getting pumped up lately but that’s a Solomon Thomas-like jump.
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Jeremiah with the Ronald Jones - Jamaal Charles comp
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Jeremiah with the Ronald Jones - Jamaal Charles comp
ACL tears?
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WR's DaeSean Hamilton and Michael Gallup were standouts from what I saw today. Loved Hamilton's route running and ability to separate. Okoronkwo looked good in 1-on-1 drills, beat the tackle inside and out.
Mayfield is clearly the best QB there- timing, anticipation, accuracy all looked great. Apparently he picked up the playbook very quickly even having showed up late.
Josh Allen had a few great throws, and a few rough ones.
Small school OT prospect Alex Cappa stoned Davenport and looked good.
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WR's DaeSean Hamilton and Michael Gallup were standouts from what I saw today. Loved Hamilton's route running and ability to separate. Okoronkwo looked good in 1-on-1 drills, beat the tackle inside and out.
I really like what I've seen from James Washington too. He just plays faster than everybody else out there.
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I really like what I've seen from James Washington too. He just plays faster than everybody else out there.
Highest speed reached at Tuesday's practices was by @CowboyFB WR James Washington (21.25 mph). By comparison, top speed reached by ballcarrier in NFL game in 2017, per Next Gen Stats, was Leonard Fournette's 22.05 mph.
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All the hype at center is about Billy Price, but I saw that Daniel Jeremiah (below) ranked James Daniels out of Iowa higher. Anyone know much about him? I can't claim to know anything about how to evaluate a center beyond parroting what others say. Maybe him or Price falls to us in the second if we don't sign a free agent.
James Daniels, C, Iowa
Daniels is a very athletic and technically proficient center. In the run game, he's extremely quick and effective on reach blocks and second-level blocks. I'm amazed by his ability to stay attached with his hands while he re-works his foot positioning. In pass pro, he plays with outstanding knee bend and balance. He shoots his hands quickly and can anchor against power as well as redirect vs. counters. He's very aware. Daniels is one of the best center prospects I've evaluated in the last five years.
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The NFL's draft home seems to have been updated today or yesterday with all of the draft profiles on the players. Worth a good look.
https://www.nfl.com/draft/home
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Derwin James saying he’ll player safety or corner at the next level, wherever the team needs him.
He’s more of a SS/LB hybrid. He can cover the slot, TE, RB fine, but he’s not close to Jalen Ramsey in terms of coverage ability. Freak athlete though.
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Sooooo Giants aren’t drafting a qb huh
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Sooooo Giants aren’t drafting a qb huh
You are thinking this because...?
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You are thinking this because...?
Did you see that SB commercial? Eli clearly still has it
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Did you see that SB commercial? Eli clearly still has it
He definitely wants to kiss Beckham the way Tom Brady kisses his kids.
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He definitely wants to kiss Beckham the way Tom Brady kisses his kids.
Tom Brady kisses his kids like that kid from Glee who hung himself last week.
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Tom Brady kisses his kids like that kid from Glee who hung himself last week.
Dark
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Dark
I like the way he thinks.
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Tom Brady kisses his kids like that kid from Glee who hung himself last week.
Whelp I was due to update my signature.
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Dark
\m/
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Lorenzo Carter is getting absolutely no hype right now. He's a top fifteen prospect. The only pass rusher that is clearly ahead of him for me is Tremaine Edmunds.
Arden Key will have to have an absolutely dominant combine to hold Carter off.
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Lorenzo Carter is getting absolutely no hype right now. He's a top fifteen prospect. The only pass rusher that is clearly ahead of him for me is Tremaine Edmunds.
Arden Key will have to have an absolutely dominant combine to hold Carter off.
No chubb for Chubb?
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No chubb for Chubb?
Chubb is the clear cut number one at that position.
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Even though Saquon Barkley grew up in Pennslyvania surrounded by Eagles fans, he spent his childhood rooting for a different shade of green.
Instead, the former Penn State running back and soon to be first-round pick was a fan of the Jets. Curtis Martin was a huge reason why.However, that doesn’t mean Barkley has a preference on who drafts him. While he likes the idea of playing for his favorite team, he’s not going to be picky.
“I’m still a Jets fan,” Barkley recently told Sporting News. “Come draft day, all that goes out the window. It would be great for me to be able to play for the team I grew up liking… obviously, New York is close to home and would be a great position for me.
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^ sadly, he won't drop to us.
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^ sadly, he won't drop to us.
But we could move up.....
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^ sadly, he won't drop to us.
There was no chance Leonard Williams or Jamal Adams would drop to us either.
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There was no chance Leonard Williams or Jamal Adams would drop to us either.
True. I think this would be even less likely though. It would almost certainly require 3 QBs to go in the top 5 (very possible), and maybe Quneton Nelson and a surprise pick to go before 6. If 4 QBs go in the top 5 (unlikely), now we're talking. I don't see any way Barkley gets by Cleveland at 4 if they don't take him at 1. Every team in the top 5 could use him, not to mention all the teams that would certainly move up for him if he started dropping.
Imagine if you're the Browns and you've drafted the QB of your choosing at #1. Now you're up at 4 and Barkley is still on the board. I don't think there's any chance under the sun they don't take him and start perma-jizzing all over the place.
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This RB class is too deep to trade up for one
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This RB class is too deep to trade up for one
I agree. I was just giving MB excrement.
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But we could move up.....
lol
There was no chance Leonard Williams or Jamal Adams would drop to us either.
you should've saved that pic of me, dummy.
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True. I think this would be even less likely though. It would almost certainly require 3 QBs to go in the top 5 (very possible), and maybe Quneton Nelson and a surprise pick to go before 6. If 4 QBs go in the top 5 (unlikely), now we're talking. I don't see any way Barkley gets by Cleveland at 4 if they don't take him at 1. Every team in the top 5 could use him, not to mention all the teams that would certainly move up for him if he started dropping.
Imagine if you're the Browns and you've drafted the QB of your choosing at #1. Now you're up at 4 and Barkley is still on the board. I don't think there's any chance under the sun they don't take him and start perma-jizzing all over the place.
Three QBs, Chubb and a lineman aren't beyond the realms of possibility.
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Three QBs, Chubb and a lineman aren't beyond the realms of possibility.
I can't see Chubb going before Barkley. I hope Barkley is there at 6, that would be glorious.
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Who is going to block for Barkley?
Barkley is a hell of a weapon, but he's an improvisational runner that plays a style of football that could lose a lot of yardages if the holes aren't there.
He bounces a lot of runs and he was able to out run a lot of guys at Penn State, but the NFL is different.
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Who is going to block for Barkley?
Barkley is a hell of a weapon, but he's an improvisational runner that plays a style of football that could lose a lot of yardages if the holes aren't there.
He bounces a lot of runs and he was able to out run a lot of guys at Penn State, but the NFL is different.
When the Jets get a new center and Winters is healthy I think our offensive line is not bad. Average at least. Especially if Shell improves. I don't think Barkely should be relegated to teams with great offensive lines.
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Who is going to block for Barkley?
Kirk Cousins
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Kirk Cousins
still better than Wes Johnson
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still better than Wes Johnson
SBTW
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If Cousins doesn't sign with one of the teams drafting in front of us, I believe it's almost a foregone conclusion that three QBs come off the board before our pick. Four is even a possibility if a team trades in front of the Broncos.
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If Cousins doesn't sign with one of the teams drafting in front of us, I believe it's almost a foregone conclusion that three QBs come off the board before our pick. Four is even a possibility if a team trades in front of the Broncos.
I agree... and in that scenario, I think we have to trade up. Or at least aggressively try to.
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Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson on his mindset as a blocker: “I want to take away the opponent’s will to play the game.”
Draft. this. beast.
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Notre Dame OG Quenton Nelson effectively selling the importance of guard play:
"You have guys dominating the NFL right now in Aaron Donald, Geno Atkins, Fletcher Cox, that have been working on interior guys. You need guys to stop them. I'm one of those guys."
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I had no idea Tremaine Edmunds is still 19 years old. Damn.
If the Jets draft him, he won't be able to drink legally before we've ruined his career
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Arden Key, Harold Landry, or Sam Hubbard at 38?
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Arden Key, Harold Landry, or Sam Hubbard at 38?
If 2016 Landry, sign me up. If Arden Key isn't a mess off the field, sign me up. Not that familiar with Hubbard.
I don't think Landry makes it out of the first after he looked healthy and agile at the combine. Key might be there at our second. freak it, I'll take Key.
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Couple of questions for people more knowledgeable.....
-Could Quenton Nelson be moved to tackle in the NFL if need be? Obviously you usually hear about college tackles moving to guard, but I feel like he has the ability to go the other way.
-I know he's an athletic freak, but would Tremaine Edmunds be considered a possibility as an edge rusher seeing that he really didn't do that in college? I know he physically has the ability, but i can't imagine it's easy to have to learn to be an edge rusher after getting to the NFL.
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Couple of questions for people more knowledgeable.....
-Could Quenton Nelson be moved to tackle in the NFL if need be? Obviously you usually hear about college tackles moving to guard, but I feel like he has the ability to go the other way.
-I know he's an athletic freak, but would Tremaine Edmunds be considered a possibility as an edge rusher seeing that he really didn't do that in college? I know he physically has the ability, but i can't imagine it's easy to have to learn to be an edge rusher after getting to the NFL.
I really don't think Edmunds should be drafted as an edge rusher. He can do it in small doses and rely primarily on athleticism, but he doesn't have nearly as much refinement, experience and development to be expected to do it full time (or close to it) in the NFL. I also think it would be a waste of what he does really well.
I think the same goes for Nelson, but he may be able to play RT like Pugh did with the Giants. I think a better question would be can he play C... which I believe he even said he would be willing to do so. I'd be more okay with spending the 6th pick on a center than a guard.
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Couple of questions for people more knowledgeable.....
-Could Quenton Nelson be moved to tackle in the NFL if need be? Obviously you usually hear about college tackles moving to guard, but I feel like he has the ability to go the other way.
-I know he's an athletic freak, but would Tremaine Edmunds be considered a possibility as an edge rusher seeing that he really didn't do that in college? I know he physically has the ability, but i can't imagine it's easy to have to learn to be an edge rusher after getting to the NFL.
As far as Nelson goes. I dont think you change what he does. hes one of the most NFL ready run blockers ive seen and can negate interior pressure while being able to pull. I wouldnt put it past himto be able to play RT. I just dont think you change what he already does, since he could enter the league and play at an all pro level inside, vs i could see him struggling in pass blocking on the edge.
I might be bias but i view Edmunds as a do it all LBer who can play any spot in any system. If you plug him at ILB youre getting a possible Urlacher 2.0 Put him at OLB and hes got some work to do but he has the athleticism, football IQ, and motor to develop as a pass rusher. I dont think he would take the league by storm at OLB but he could be an 8 sack per year guy in his sleep by the time his rookie deal is up imo. he needs to learn his hands first before that happens though
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@karymack:“I’ve been told reliably that GM John Lynch loves Derrius Guice and has him as the top running back on his board, ahead of Saquon Barkley.” #49ers
Lol
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After today's trade, here are the Jets picks for the 2018 NFL Draft:
1st round - 3rd overall
3rd round - 72nd overall
4th round - 107th overall
5th round - 157th overall
6th round - 179th overall
7th round - 235th overall
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After today's trade, here are the Jets picks for the 2018 NFL Draft:
1st round - 3rd overall
3rd round - 72nd overall
4th round - 107th overall
5th round - 157th overall
6th round - 179th overall
7th round - 235th overall
I’d bet Duff works his derriere off to trade down either in the third or more likely at the top of the fourth round. He is going to want a few extra draft picks and he has done a nice job trading down in the middle rounds to get extra day 3 picks
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I hope we get a running back with that third rounder
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I hope we get a running back with that third rounder
Nick Chubb anyone?
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Eli has 2 years left on his deal.
22 Mill cap hit in 2018. Yesterday he received a $5M roster bonus which effectively guaranteed his spot on the roster for this year.
23 Mill cap hit in 2019. Only $6M in dead money.
The real question is how sold are Shurmur/Gettleman on Eli. I wouldn’t tie my job to an old, expensive, declining QB, personally. If they’re serious about making a run with him, then drafting a QB does nothing for them.
Hopefully the organization believes in Davis Webb. He was a 3rd round pick just a year ago, and there were positive things said about him all year from reporters and within the organization.
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Rehashing the obvious, but it will really make me feel a lot better heading into our pick if either of these things happen:
1) Allen goes #1 (or #2)
2) Giants take Saquon Barkley or Quenton Nelson
If neither of these happen, my gut feeling is that Darnold and Rosen go 1-2.
I will feel supremely more confident if we are choosing from:
1 of Darnold/Rosen and Mayfield (and possibly Allen)
Rather than:
Josh Allen and Mayfield
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If the Giants trade their pick, the haul they're going to get for it is going to make what we gave up for 3 look like a bargain.
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If the Giants trade their pick, the haul they're going to get for it is going to make what we gave up for 3 look like a bargain.
In a way I kind of want that to happen so we can stand up and say "didn't over pay" but obviously if they trade then we are staring at Allen/Mayfield. We want them to stay and take Nelson so we can have Rosen/Darnold
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In a way I kind of want that to happen so we can stand up and say "didn't over pay" but obviously if they trade then we are staring at Allen/Mayfield. We want them to stay and take Nelson so we can have Rosen/Darnold
No one will say we overpaid if we come away with a franchise QB. Best chance of that happening is the Giants staying put and picking someone other than a QB.
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@AlbertBreer:Some nuggets from my mock ...
• Giants like Barkley and Nelson
• Teams have effort questions with Derwin James
• Daniels passing Price at C/G due to injury
• Gettleman's never traded down as a GM, but here ...
... Plus, 4 QBs top the board. Dive in!
Hahahah. bundle of sticks.
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If we draft Rosen, we should pick up Jordan Lasley in the 3rd.
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#Wisconsin CB Nick Nelson is the second prospect to suffer a major injury in a private workout with a team. NC State DE Kentavius Street also suffered a serious knee injury, as well. … This is why agents are slowly telling their guys not work out for teams unless it's necessary.
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Hahahah. bundle of sticks.
i would stop playing hard too if Charles freaking Kelly was my DC
that bum , the only good thing to come from Jimbo leaving is we no longer have that moron at DC
*also, i call bullshit. James is a top 2 or 3 DB to come from a long line of studs at FSU*
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Ohio State C Billy Price's health is "no longer really a question," according to NFL Media's Ian Rapoport.
Price suffered a pec injury at the NFL Combine. Rapoport adds three centers could be round one picks: Price, James Daniels and Frank Ragnow. We believe the latter two are more likely, with Ragnow a virtual lock.
rotoworld
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Antonio Callaway failed the stupid test.
Schefter: Former Florida WR Antonio Callaway -- who some considered as talented as any WR in this draft -- tested positive for marijuana at the combine, NFL sources told ESPN.
Callaway’s new agent Malki Kawa said it was for a diluted sample. Callaway hired Kawa about two weeks ago.
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Antonio Callaway failed the stupid test.
Schefter: Former Florida WR Antonio Callaway -- who some considered as talented as any WR in this draft -- tested positive for marijuana at the combine, NFL sources told ESPN.
Callaway’s new agent Malki Kawa said it was for a diluted sample. Callaway hired Kawa about two weeks ago.
It would have been more surprising if Calloway had passed the test.
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I'm still down for a 7th round pick on him.
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Former Virginia Tech CB Adonis Alexander is expected to enter the NFL supplemental draft, sources say. Lot of off-field issues for teams to sort through, but he’s 6-3, talented, raw but high upside … should get picked.