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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Jumbo on April 28, 2017, 07:03:29 PM
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I don't know anything about this player but why back to back safeties?
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Just telling Pryor to GTFO.
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I don't know anything about this player but why back to back safeties?
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JACKASS ILL KILL YOU
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JACKASS ILL KILL YOU
The only reasonable response.
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I havent been this excited about a draft class since the year we took Sanchez. Maccagnan made it a huge point to get a lot younger and faster on defense each year he's been here and now he's added a new enforcer and a guy who can play corner or safety in the backfield.
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I know nothing about him, neither good nor bad.
Who wants to get me hype?
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Figured Gilchrist was always bound to get cut. A little disappointed they aren't trying to make it work with Pryor, but our defensive backfield is in much better shape than it was.
And we can still grab a CB in the 3rd round.
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I know nothing about him, neither good nor bad.
Who wants to get me hype?
*unzips fly*
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*unzips fly*
haha
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Figured Gilchrist was always bound to get cut. A little disappointed they aren't trying to make it work with Pryor, but our defensive backfield is in much better shape than it was.
And we can still grab a CB in the 3rd round.
Not gonna lie, I thought we already cut him.
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Is there any chance Pryor stays and the Jets have Pryor, Maye and Adams all on the field?
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Is there any chance Pryor stays and the Jets have Pryor, Maye and Adams all on the field?
If we don't end up trading Pryor, they could all see the field in nickel and dime packages.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77K7RlIAN1c
He's a good player. I don't want to freaking hear about "too many safeties".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77K7RlIAN1c
He's a good player. I don't want to freaking hear about "too many safeties".
Too many safeties
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Jets have the youngest and one of the best set of safeties in the NFL. While both can play both positions, Maye will probably play more FS.
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Too many safeties
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs
Ok now I like this pick.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs
Oh dat boi a stud.
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Jets have the youngest and one of the best set of safeties in the NFL.
Come on man. Neither guy's even taken a practice snap yet.
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I'm really getting tired of picking defense. And somehow, no matter how many are spent on defense, this team never gets a pass rusher.
I have to remember this team is in 100% scorched earth rebuild mode.
Still, you have to score points to win games.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77K7RlIAN1c
He's a good player. I don't want to freaking hear about "too many safeties".
Two terrific football players
Two more to go in the third
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Come on man. Neither guy's even taken a practice snap yet.
Thank you
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Not a fan of taking another safety but if he plays well all is good
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i think the fact that they were picked consecutively makes people think of it weirdly, but we have to think that we had 3 picks tonight and the goal is to get the 3 best players we rated on a team devoid of talent
for example, if we had gone with positions other than safety at 39 and at 70, and then taken a safety with the last pick of the 3rd, the response wouldn't have been 'omg another safety'?....it would have been 'safety/backfield issue seems to be solved/resolved, jets took another guy at safety they really liked with the last pick of the 3rd round'. honestly it doesn't matter when/where they were picked, if we are trying to stockpile this team with the best possible talent available while also taking need into basis, which our defensive backfield definitely is.
looking forward to see what we do with our next 2 picks
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Meh.
I think Dalvin Cook would have been a steal, and Im slightly pissed we passed on him. Don't really care about the character excrement.
I was questioning how Pryor and Adams would fit together... and then the Jets add another safety. At least it wasn't a QB. If this secondary sucks dick again next year, Bowles can freak off.
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Adams and Maye are interchangeable.
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Meh.
I think Dalvin Cook would have been a steal, and Im slightly pissed we passed on him. Don't really care about the character excrement.
I was questioning how Pryor and Adams would fit together... and then the Jets add another safety. At least it wasn't a QB. If this secondary sucks dick again next year, Bowles can freak off.
Well, rookies rarely come in and dominate day 1.
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Adams and Maye are interchangeable.
Yep. Bowles said yesterday that safeties in his defense play in both roles.
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I'm really getting tired of picking defense. And somehow, no matter how many are spent on defense, this team never gets a pass rusher.
I have to remember this team is in 100% scorched earth rebuild mode.
Still, you have to score points to win games.
Unless of course the object is to lose games 9-6 this year, and then next year draft all offense and already have a defense ready to dominate.
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Unless of course the object is to lose games 9-6 this year, and then next year draft all offense and already have a defense ready to dominate.
Right, that's the "scorched earth" thing I was talking about. When you go full on rebuild, it's all about true BPA because you're looking at few wins the following year.
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Right, that's the "scorched earth" thing I was talking about. When you go full on rebuild, it's all about true BPA because you're looking at few wins the following year.
We've gone full on rebuild. We should be drafting at or near the top of the draft the next couple years.
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Jets have the youngest and one of the best set of safeties in the NFL. While both can play both positions, Maye will probably play more FS.
Come on man. Neither guy's even taken a practice snap yet.
Not to mention one could have already made the above argument when it was just Adams and Pryor.
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Not suggesting Pryor couldn't improve, but he was one of the worst safeties in the league last year.
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Not suggesting Pryor couldn't improve, but he was one of the worst safeties in the league last year.
Which is why nobody has offered us a deal for him
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Keep him and try to fix him. Use him like mark Barron and the guy on the cardinals whose name escapes me
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Keep him and try to fix him. Use him like mark Barron and the guy on the cardinals whose name escapes me
Let Pryor just kill Brady. Only job. Get ejected, whatever.
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Keep him and try to fix him. Use him like mark Barron and the guy on the cardinals whose name escapes me
Carson Palmer
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In the presser, Todd Bowles just said he's wanted to use a three safety package in the past but wasn't able to do it as much because of the personnel on the roster.
If we somehow hang on to Calvin Pryor , I think he'll take on that Deone Bucannon LB/S role.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUQthtYI5yk
Kevin Gates edition
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I don't know anything about this player but why back to back safeties?
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Because our 2nd round picks never pan out, so there will be no conflict.
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As Bowles said, there's no point in thinking of these guys as free safeties/strong safeties. They are both interchangeable safeties and will play roles in the box and coverage. They may excel at one or the other, but will do both.
I am interested to see if Bowles/Macc are serious about keeping Pryor. I can't imagine we could get much for him anyway. Unless he becomes a problem, might as well let him play out the year on the cheap. He can start if Maye isn't ready to go day 1, be depth, or play the hybrid S/LB role. Injuries happen also.
I'd think Gilchrist is gone, but you never know. Maybe they just keep him around as insurance until the last minute and then release him if everyone makes it through camp healthy.
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As Bowles said, there's no point in thinking of these guys as free safeties/strong safeties. They are both interchangeable safeties and will play roles in the box and coverage. They may excel at one or the other, but will do both.
I am interested to see if Bowles/Macc are serious about keeping Pryor. I can't imagine we could get much for him anyway. Unless he becomes a problem, might as well let him play out the year on the cheap. He can start if Maye isn't ready to go day 1, be depth, or play the hybrid S/LB role. Injuries happen also.
Marcus Maye should start from day one. He's too good of an all-around player to sit. I expect hiccups from him and Adams early on, but we should also expect a lot of promise and development over the year. It will at least be fun watching them knock opposing players around all year.
We'll have some exciting, young players on defense.
I'd think Gilchrist is gone, but you never know. Maybe they just keep him around as insurance until the last minute and then release him if everyone makes it through camp healthy.
I don't think Gilchrist will be ready to play until the middle of the regular season. I'm still surprised he's still on this team.
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The Cardinals used 3 "safeties" with Deone Buccanon, Tony Jefferson and Tyrann Mathieu so I guess its not inconceivable that Bowles wants to do the same here.
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The Cardinals used 3 "safeties" with Deone Buccanon, Tony Jefferson and Tyrann Mathieu so I guess its not inconceivable that Bowles wants to do the same here.
Bowles flat out said in his press conference that the Jets have 3-safety looks that are in his playbook but he couldn't use last season.
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Is there any chance Pryor stays and the Jets have Pryor, Maye and Adams all on the field?
Yes as his salary is 100% on the cap already. So he is likely on the team this year and walks next year.
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Yes as his salary is 100% on the cap already. So he is likely on the team this year and walks next year.
I was talking about a trade at the time.
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Maye just returned an interception 60 yards for a TD in the green and white scrimmage.
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Happy Marcus Maye Day
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Ayyyy
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Mayyyye
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Mr. Glass broke his thumb
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Second rounder.
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Mr. Glass broke his thumb
Jesus really? When did he do that?
More importantly is he playing with it?
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Jesus really? When did he do that?
More importantly is he playing with it?
out for 3-4 weeks it said
wheres Ronnie Lott when you need him lol
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Second rounder.
This team should trade their second-round pick away every year.
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Second rounder.
By our standards he's still highly productive for a second round pick. He's at least been on the field.
Anyone seen Jace Amaro lately?
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By our standards he's still highly productive for a second round pick. He's at least been on the field.
Anyone seen Jace Amaro lately?
Maybe. I saw a Jace Amaro jersey at the Colts game. I assume it had to have been him or family.
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Maybe. I saw a Jace Amaro jersey at the Colts game. I assume it had to have been him or family.
Was he barefoot and carrying a club? Probably him.
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Maye’s been IR’d
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Maye’s been IR’d
Mr. Glass
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We at least we've upgraded to drafting talented 2nd round busts.
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Still played in more games than Dalvin Cook.
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May I now have permission to count this pick against Maccagnan?
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May I now have permission to count this pick against Maccagnan?
No
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May I now have permission to count this pick against Maccagnan?
He's been pretty good when healthy and I don't think he was particularly injury prone in college, so I'd say no
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Jets Top 10 in defensive snaps:
(out of 1,120)
M. Maye 1,107 (99 pct)
J. Adams 975 (87)
N. Hewitt 778 (69)
B. Poole 764 (68)
D. Roberts 724 (65)
J. Burgess 670 (60)
T. Basham 600 (54)
J. Jenkins 577 (52)
K. Phillips 556 (50)
Q. Williams 520 (46)
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Iron Man Maye
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May I now have permission to count this pick against Maccagnan?
Definitely no
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Definitely no
Truth
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after all the small niggles and injuries he's picked up over the past couple of years, he needed a season like this with regards to health and availability.
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after all the small niggles and injuries he's picked up over the past couple of years....
Boy is that a dangerous word to say out loud
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Boy is that a dangerous word to say out loud
I think d sw0rdz is a black man, which would make it ok. If not he'd need to make sure an enunciate that correctly to be on the safe side.
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im as black as eric smith
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im as black as eric smith
LOL so it remains a mystery.
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https://twitter.com/alldaymaye/status/1275112406579118080?s=21
Cut this malcontent
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Extend Maye at $18M per year. today.
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Marcus Maye is tied for the NFL lead in sacks (2.0) and forced fumbles (1), and is tied for 3rd in passes defended (2)
We should probably look to trade him before the deadline because he’ll either eventually get hurt or walk in FA when we don’t want to pay him.
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We should probably look to trade him before the deadline because he’ll either eventually get hurt or walk in FA when we don’t want to pay him.
load up on picks
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load up on picks
Think about how many picks we can get for Becton.
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Think about how many picks we can get for Becton.
he hasn't been soiled yet
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he hasn't been soiled yet
Exactly, his trade value will probably never be higher.
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Exactly, his trade value will probably never be higher.
wait till i buy his jersey first.....to complete the stupidity factor.
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Maye has played very well this year. Made the game-saving defensive play this week. He's developed as a leader defensively. I would bet that he's a big reason why the locker room has stayed together this season defensively. When he called out Gregg Williams after the Raiders game, Gregg was let go immediately after, and I don't think those two things are unrelated.
I hope we resign Maye. He also needed to prove he could stay healthy, and he's done that. One of a few bright spots this season.
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I'd like to see Maye on the roster next season.
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Maye has played very well this year. Made the game-saving defensive play this week. He's developed as a leader defensively. I would bet that he's a big reason why the locker room has stayed together this season defensively. When he called out Gregg Williams after the Raiders game, Gregg was let go immediately after, and I don't think those two things are unrelated.
I hope we resign Maye. He also needed to prove he could stay healthy, and he's done that. One of a few bright spots this season.
I’ve seen stuff about Fatukasi being a lot like Steve McLendon in the locker room.
The defense has leaders.
I think Becton will become a leader on offense.
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2020 Team MVP
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I would like to restate my opinion that I want Maye ro be on this team for the next few seasons.
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Marcus Maye
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Came out healthy!!! Glory to God!!!
truer words have never been spoken.
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truer words have never been spoken.
Except god had nothing to do with it, I don't blame him one bit for checking out today but self preservation had nothing to do with a divine power.
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Except god had nothing to do with it, I don't blame him one bit for checking out today but self preservation had nothing to do with a divine power.
You angered the gods with your tank blasphemy
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Except god had nothing to do with it, I don't blame him one bit for checking out today but self preservation had nothing to do with a divine power.
Who cares what fallacy he credits? He’s clearly done the work to stay on the field.
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Who cares what fallacy he credits? He’s clearly done the work to stay on the field.
You can not cheer or play for the Jets and still hold any faith in the existence of a higher power.
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You can not cheer or play for the Jets and still hold any faith in the existence of a higher power.
If Jets fans subscribed to that level of rational thinking then there would be no Jets fans.
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You can not cheer or play for the Jets and still hold any faith in the existence of a higher power.
Both Wilson and Fields are religious. Is that why you want to keep Darnold? Is he a heathen like you?
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Both Wilson and Fields are religious. Is that why you want to keep Darnold? Is he a heathen like you?
As the son of a priest I feel like I have the right to hold fairly entrenched opinions on religion, but actually I'm pretty ambivalent about it. Like most things, it can be a force for good or bad: zealotry is generally bad, but my experience of organised religion is that it's mostly about bake sales and community and small good deeds and quiet bigotry. I'd rather my preferred athletes focused on doing excrement for themselves than ascribing their success or failure to a higher power though.
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As the son of a priest I feel like I have the right to hold fairly entrenched opinions on religion, but actually I'm pretty ambivalent about it. Like most things, it can be a force for good or bad: zealotry is generally bad, but my experience of organised religion is that it's mostly about bake sales and community and small good deeds and quiet bigotry. I'd rather my preferred athletes focused on doing excrement for themselves than ascribing their success or failure to a higher power though.
So you hate the tank...and Jesus. Got it.
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So you hate the tank...and Jesus. Got it.
Jesus would not support the tank. Jesus was at no point ever a proponent of people giving up; he rewarded those who did their best to help themselves. You must have heard the Parable of the Talents.
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Jesus would not support the tank. Jesus was at no point ever a proponent of people giving up; he rewarded those who did their best to help themselves. You must have heard the Parable of the Talents.
We weren't getting help from Jesus....clearly, you severed that relationship.
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We weren't getting help from Jesus....clearly, you severed that relationship.
This is harder to argue with. I can ask my dad to have a word with him but I suspect he still won't listen.
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Jesus would not support the tank. Jesus was at no point ever a proponent of people giving up; he rewarded those who did their best to help themselves. You must have heard the Parable of the Talents.
jesus tanked to save humanity
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jesus tanked to save humanity
How's that working out?
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How's that working out?
i watched adam gase coach this team for 2 years
fvck
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SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports multiple NFL sources believe the Jets will franchise tag S Marcus Maye.
Maye has been a playmaker in every healthy season he has played for the Jets, dating back to the team selecting him with the 39th overall pick in 27. In 2020, he led the Jets with 11 Passes Defended. He was the only New York defender to log multiple interceptions and multiple forced fumbles. The Jets have money to spare and few things going in the right direction of defense. Keeping Maye around should be a priority for them. After tagging Maye, expect them to make a push to get him signed to a long-term deal.
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SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports multiple NFL sources believe the Jets will franchise tag S Marcus Maye.
Maye has been a playmaker in every healthy season he has played for the Jets, dating back to the team selecting him with the 39th overall pick in 27. In 2020, he led the Jets with 11 Passes Defended. He was the only New York defender to log multiple interceptions and multiple forced fumbles. The Jets have money to spare and few things going in the right direction of defense. Keeping Maye around should be a priority for them. After tagging Maye, expect them to make a push to get him signed to a long-term deal.
A shame he was so old when we drafted him.
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A shame he was so old when we drafted him.
Dcm said that? 🤪
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I mean I would be surprised if we franchise Maye. But hopefully it just gets us to the long term deal, as we shouldn’t be paying him that kind of money.
Side note it would probably pee Adams off. So that would be a funny side benefit
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I mean I would be surprised if we franchise Maye. But hopefully it just gets us to the long term deal, as we shouldn’t be paying him that kind of money.
Side note it would probably pee Adams off. So that would be a funny side benefit
I mean if we transition tagged him there's almost a 100% we'd lose him with no compensation, so franchise tagging him isn't unreasonable
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SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports multiple NFL sources believe the Jets will franchise tag S Marcus Maye.
Maye has been a playmaker in every healthy season he has played for the Jets, dating back to the team selecting him with the 39th overall pick in 27. In 2020, he led the Jets with 11 Passes Defended.
He was the only New York defender to log multiple interceptions
and multiple forced fumbles. The Jets have money to spare and few things going in the right direction of defense. Keeping Maye around should be a priority for them. After tagging Maye, expect them to make a push to get him signed to a long-term deal.
As pathetic as that team stat is, Maye's 'multiple interceptions' added up to all of 2.
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I mean I would be surprised if we franchise Maye. But hopefully it just gets us to the long term deal, as we shouldn’t be paying him that kind of money.
Side note it would probably pee Adams off. So that would be a funny side benefit
I'm pretty sure the tag for safeties is set at 11.5 mil, so it's nice to know if they don't reach an extension that his salary gets paid for and then some when they cut Henry Anderson and Alex Lewis.
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Really want to bring back Maye if we can. He emerged as a leader this year, and he played very well. I don't want to overpay for him, but I'm willing to tag him for a year.
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Really want to bring back Maye if we can. He emerged as a leader this year, and he played very well. I don't want to overpay for him, but I'm willing to tag him for a year.
I don't think I can remember a single interview or off field story involving him. He seems like the kind of guy who keeps his head down and does his work. Can't have too many of those in a locker room.
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https://twitter.com/erikburkhardt/status/1366941735079849987?s=21
lol
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https://twitter.com/erikburkhardt/status/1366941735079849987?s=21
lol
That can't be good lol
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Who the freak is Erik Burkhardt and what the freak is Select Sports?
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Who the freak is Erik Burkhardt and what the freak is Select Sports?
He is Marcus Maye's agent
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That can't be good lol
Meh, it's agent 101. Two weeks before teams are running around trying to spend their money on other teams' players, this is his window to get his client paid before they're distracted by shiny new things and while fans have nothing else to focus on.
"Team got money, client want money, fans tell them to give client money plz thx".
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Marcus Maye is a good player. He's not worth creating a media circus over.
Give him the tag, and move on.
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I'm OK with tagging him with a goal of getting him signed long term.
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I'm OK with tagging him with a goal of getting him signed long term.
I'm also OK with tagging him for 2021 and letting him walk in 2022 if/when we have a replacement. He's 28 years old coming out of his first deal. Most prospects are 25 when they get out of their rookie contracts.
With the money the Jets just saved by cutting Anderson, tagging Maye is basically a wash when it comes to the cap.
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I thought Davis would have been his replacement given his skill set.
That's the talk that was being bandied about after the draft.
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"Team got money, client want money, fans tell them to give client money plz thx".
I know JO is not a typical sampling of Jets fans but I don't think it's working.
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I thought Davis would have been his replacement given his skill set.
That's the talk that was being bandied about after the draft.
I think that was the thought. Then we traded Adams.
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I know JO is not a typical sampling of Jets fans but I don't think it's working.
I don't read Jets media outside of JO so I have no idea, but I think the fact that we're discussing it means that he's doing what he set out to do. We are all I think largely of the opinion that a long term deal for one of our better players is a thing we'd like to see happen.
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I'm also OK with tagging him for 2021 and letting him walk in 2022 if/when we have a replacement. He's 28 years old coming out of his first deal. Most prospects are 25 when they get out of their rookie contracts.
With the money the Jets just saved by cutting Anderson, tagging Maye is basically a wash when it comes to the cap.
Agreed. And I still don't fully trust Maye's health. Extending a Jets' 2nd-round draft pick is always dicey.
We should bring him back, but if we can't get a long-term deal done, I'm fine overpaying for 1 year.
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I don't read Jets media outside of JO so I have no idea, but I think the fact that we're discussing it means that he's doing what he set out to do. We are all I think largely of the opinion that a long term deal for one of our better players is a thing we'd like to see happen.
I don't think any of us object to a 2021 tag though.
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I don't think any of us object to a 2021 tag though.
I can't believe they'd tag him with the intention of just keeping him for the next season though, the only reason to give him the tag is to stop him signing for someone else if they haven't reached agreement on a new deal in two weeks' time. So the agent is trying to crank up a bit of pressure on Douglas to get it done.
All a bit of a nothingburger.
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I can't believe they'd tag him with the intention of just keeping him for the next season though, the only reason to give him the tag is to stop him signing for someone else if they haven't reached agreement on a new deal in two weeks' time. So the agent is trying to crank up a bit of pressure on Douglas to get it done.
All a bit of a nothingburger.
They might. We have no idea what he’s asking for. It wouldn’t make any sense to let him walk for nothing. Very little risk here from the Jets side.
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They might. We have no idea what he’s asking for. It wouldn’t make any sense to let him walk for nothing. Very little risk here from the Jets side.
Well, we do. He's asking for more than he's worth, and more than we're willing to give him. He knows that and we know that, because that's how all negotiations start. So now the agent gets to spend a few days explaining why the Jets are the bad guys in all of this, before they all sit round a table and figure out the real number.
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I can't believe they'd tag him with the intention of just keeping him for the next season though, the only reason to give him the tag is to stop him signing for someone else if they haven't reached agreement on a new deal in two weeks' time. So the agent is trying to crank up a bit of pressure on Douglas to get it done.
All a bit of a nothingburger.
Well there's always the possibility of tagging him again and working out an extension at that point especially with the cap expected to balloon the following year
Plus who knows how he will fare in a new defense with a new coach
If we can work out a long term deal great. But if we can't, tag him, and if he exceeds expectations tag him again and work out a real deal.
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Tagged according to Schefter.
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Gives us one more year to get a look.
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Gives us one more year to get a look.
More likely than not it's going to end up being a long term deal
Unless Maye starts smoking cigars on tiktok or some excrement
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More likely than not it's going to end up being a long term deal
Unless Maye starts smoking cigars on tiktok or some excrement
Never know.
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Apparently Maye isn't happy with getting franchised.
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1369381068151914507?s=20
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Apparently Maye isn't happy with getting franchised.
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1369381068151914507?s=20
I'm not worried. Confident we'll get a deal done.
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I'm not worried. Confident we'll get a deal done.
I think a deal will get done too.
I just prefer not to have any malcontents on the roster right before we start recruiting FAs
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Apparently Maye isn't happy with getting franchised.
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1369381068151914507?s=20
Has any player ever been happy to be franchised?
You're not getting the highest salary at the position, just an average of top salaries, and you're on a 1-year deal, so if you get hurt, you're screwed. And you're obviously a valuable player since the team wouldn't franchise you otherwise.
But that's all irrelevant. The key to the tag is to force both sides to the table and hash out a long-term deal, which makes both sides happy. I highly doubt Maye is going to be upset once he gets paid. His name's not Darrelle.
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Has any player ever been happy to be franchised?
You're not getting the highest salary at the position, just an average of top salaries, and you're on a 1-year deal, so if you get hurt, you're screwed. And you're obviously a valuable player since the team wouldn't franchise you otherwise.
But that's all irrelevant. The key to the tag is to force both sides to the table and hash out a long-term deal, which makes both sides happy. I highly doubt Maye is going to be upset once he gets paid. His name's not Darrelle.
His agent needs to stop being a queynte hair on social media.
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Has any player ever been happy to be franchised?
You're not getting the highest salary at the position, just an average of top salaries, and you're on a 1-year deal, so if you get hurt, you're screwed. And you're obviously a valuable player since the team wouldn't franchise you otherwise.
But that's all irrelevant. The key to the tag is to force both sides to the table and hash out a long-term deal, which makes both sides happy. I highly doubt Maye is going to be upset once he gets paid. His name's not Darrelle.
this lol. nobody's ever happy to be francnhised, this is all posturing. he'd be happy if/when he signs a long term deal, irrespective of whether he was franchised or not.
us franchising him could mean one of two things - we did it to ensure he could not speak to anybody else, or we did it because we only want to commit to him for one more year anyways due to past injuries +/- his age. my feeling is that we want to keep him
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Dudes not gonna be happy he's 28 coming off his rookie contract
But that ain't the Jets fault
I suppose it puts us in a pretty good position with him
Playing out on the tag has to be highly undesirable for him, and I can't imagine him being concerned about his next contract
So go me the Jets move is to give him a nice 5 year contract making his APY putting him just outside of the top 5 paid safeties with a decent chunk guaranteed.
5 years, approaching 60 million, with around 40 million guaranteed
Should be plenty to keep everyone happy
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Dudes not gonna be happy he's 28 coming off his rookie contract
But that ain't the Jets fault
I suppose it puts us in a pretty good position with him
Playing out on the tag has to be highly undesirable for him, and I can't imagine him being concerned about his next contract
So go me the Jets move is to give him a nice 5 year contract making his APY putting him just outside of the top 5 paid safeties with a decent chunk guaranteed.
5 years, approaching 60 million, with around 40 million guaranteed
Should be plenty to keep everyone happy
I don’t know what the avg salary of the top 5 safeties is. But that sure feels like an overpayment for a safety
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4 yr 40 mil 20 guaranteed
That's more than fair to a 28 yr old safety
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Just guarantee the first 2 years and if he's healthy and good he stays if not cut bait
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I don’t know what the avg salary of the top 5 safeties is. But that sure feels like an overpayment for a safety
5 years 60 million would put him at 7
5 years 55 million would put him at like 10 or 11
And this is before Jamal Adams getting his deal
And you have to keep in mind that all of those deals were made before Mayes.
If we get Maye for less than APY 11 million, then Douglas took Mayes agent to school
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1373312608242139139?s=19
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1391056297890570245?s=20
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https://twitter.com/pff/status/1399818281440014337?s=21
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https://twitter.com/pff/status/1399818281440014337?s=21
I am delighted by how pissed off Jamal Adams must be when he sees excrement like this.
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https://twitter.com/pff/status/1399818281440014337?s=21
excrement
did we do something right?
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excrement
did we do something right?
Not until we resign him...which means he's gone after this season unless we tag him again.
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Not until we resign him...which means he's gone after this season unless we tag him again.
Is the double tag that prohibitive for safeties?
Given the teams cap room and the position, the idea of tagging him again if he has a really good season in Saleh's defense isn't crazy.
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I am delighted by how pissed off Jamal Adams must be when he sees excrement like this.
That was my first thought when I saw that list
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Maye reported to the team facility today.
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1404445862336548864?s=19
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Maye reported to the team facility today.
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1404445862336548864?s=19
Meanwhile in Seattle... : )
https://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/2021/06/seattle-seahawks-jamal-adams-not-expected-to-participate-in-mandatory-minicamp-as-he-looks-to-sign-a-contract-extension.html
The strong safety is reportedly looking for a contract extension that will pay him at least $16-17 million annually and Adams could be looking for a contract that would make him the highest-paid safety in the NFL. That distinction currently belongs to Denver Broncos’ safety Justin Simmons, who is slated to earn a base salary of $15.1 million in 2022.
NFW
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Per Rapoport:
Despite the #Jets publicly stating their efforts to “relentlessly” re-sign team MVP Marcus Maye, the team has not responded to his last proposal and that offer has been pulled off the table, sources say. With 48 hours until the tag extension deadline, no deal is expected.
Then he added
Source adds: Negotiations went south weeks before the tag deadline when the #Jets offered Maye a deal that had an APY about 20% below even the tag amount for 2021. Maye turned down NYJ's offer & had significantly more in APY and guarantees from multiple teams heading into FA.
Source has to be Maye's agent, looking for the Jets to react.
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Oh well. See if we can trade him to Seattle.
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I would agree that’s coming from Mayes agents, especially if there are any numbers tossed around. Only the two sides would know and the Jets sure as excrement aren’t saying they are lowballing him.
I’d like to have him back but if Davis can prove he can handle it this year letting Maye walk might not be the worst thing ever next offseason
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I will never understand why Jets fans are always so excited to see our better players leave.
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Can we cut Maye to give Crowder a raise?
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I will never understand why Jets fans are always so excited to see our better players leave.
I'd like for them to re-sign him, he's talented. If it doesn't work out, maybe they can get something for him. Who knows what the truth is in these negotiations. I'm not going to cry over losing him, but I'm not going to celebrate it either.
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Can we cut Maye to give Crowder a raise?
Maybe we can renegotiate Crowder down again and then still cut Maye.
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I will never understand why Jets fans are always so excited to see our better players leave.
He doesn't play a premium position, and he wants premium money.
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He doesn't play a premium position, and he wants premium money.
We have no idea how much he wants, he's a lockerroom leader, he's a quality player, and our secondary is currently the weakest unit on the roster.
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We have no idea how much he wants, he's a lockerroom leader, he's a quality player, and our secondary is currently the weakest unit on the roster.
We do know he wants more than the Jets were willing to pay him
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The biggest thing working against Maye is his age.
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The biggest thing working against Maye is his age.
Maye is also a draft pick from a previous regime. Joe Douglas will get his price or Maye is gonzo next offseason.
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We could decide to franchise him again next offseason and then Maye wouldn't hit free agency until he's 30. Unfortunately for him, he really doesn't have that much leverage here.
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We all like Maye and would prefer to see him extended but I totally understand the stance the team is taking here.
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The amount of safeties/safety projects we've drafted seems to point to Maye being off the team after this season.
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The amount of safeties/safety projects we've drafted seems to point to Maye being off the team after this season.
It's also a contract year for him
So unless we have anyone else on the roster who should be getting tagged after this season, that's gotta be a real possibility.
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It's also a contract year for him
Did you think I didn't realize this was inherent in him playing under the franchise tag?
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Did you think I didn't realize this was inherent in him playing under the franchise tag?
My suggestion was it makes it more likely he has the best year of his career, increasing the probability that he won't be disappearing
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My suggestion was it makes it more likely he has the best year of his career, increasing the probability that he won't be disappearing
Why wouldn't you just say that?
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Maye is
Per Rapoport:
Despite the #Jets publicly stating their efforts to “relentlessly” re-sign team MVP Marcus Maye, the team has not responded to his last proposal and that offer has been pulled off the table, sources say. With 48 hours until the tag extension deadline, no deal is expected.
Then he added
Source adds: Negotiations went south weeks before the tag deadline when the #Jets offered Maye a deal that had an APY about 20% below even the tag amount for 2021. Maye turned down NYJ's offer & had significantly more in APY and guarantees from multiple teams heading into FA.
Source has to be Maye's agent, looking for the Jets to react.
The tag amount is the average of the top 5 safeties. Is Marcus Maye a top 5 safety? Probably not.
The Jets should try to sign him for a longer term deal for less than the value of the franchise tag. Maye gets security, while the Jets get a good player locked up. And if Maye doesn't want to sign that deal, the Jets can tag him this year and potentially next year to get his age-28 and potentially age-29 season without committing long-term.
I like Maye a lot, but the Jets hold all the leverage this season. And getting $10.6M this year isn't exactly horrible for Maye either. If Maye has another very good season, he will have a lot more leverage, especially if Adams signs and the franchise tag for safeties goes up a lot.
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The Jets should try to sign him for a longer term deal for less than the value of the franchise tag. Maye gets security, while the Jets get a good player locked up. And if Maye doesn't want to sign that deal, the Jets can tag him this year and potentially next year to get his age-28 and potentially age-29 season without committing long-term.
Sounds like what they did and he declined.
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The Jets have all the leverage.
Douglas can franchise Maye again at a bargain rate next season too if he wants to. Take the deal.
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The Jets have all the leverage.
Douglas can franchise Maye again at a bargain rate next season too if he wants to. Take the deal.
Exactly this. All the moaning on social media about the Jets not "doing what it takes" to resign Maye is ridiculous.
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Jets placed franchise-tagged S Marcus Maye on the non-football injury list.
It's possibly a holdout situation since the Jets offered Maye a deal with a yearly value that was 20-percent less than his franchise tag's salary of $10.6 million. The Jets did not respond to Maye's counter and have since pulled their offer. He's considered an integral piece of their empty secondary after notching two sacks, found two interceptions and defended 11 passes.
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When was the last time we drafted a talented corner or safety and re-signed him without it becoming the most painful process ever?
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Maye is good but he does not deserve a huge contract
Douglas has all the power here
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Maye is good but he does not deserve a huge contract
Douglas has all the power here
So this is the argument that gets bandied about every time this problem comes up.
And yet we have never had consistent talent at, well l, really any position on the roster for more than a couple of seasons. Brick and Mangold are the only two I can think of in the last decade.
We re-signed Revis , sure, but it was a struggle every time.
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So this is the argument that gets bandied about every time this problem comes up.
And yet we have never had consistent talent at, well l, really any position on the roster for more than a couple of seasons. Brick and Mangold are the only two I can think of in the last decade.
We re-signed Revis , sure, but it was a struggle every time.
David Harris
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David Harris
OK so 4.
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So this is the argument that gets bandied about every time this problem comes up.
And yet we have never had consistent talent at, well l, really any position on the roster for more than a couple of seasons. Brick and Mangold are the only two I can think of in the last decade.
We re-signed Revis , sure, but it was a struggle every time.
We've been burned a bit on the last few big contracts we doled out to players we thought were the future (Mo Wilk, Enunwa). It's not a reason to never give one out, but there are factors here that make it not an easy decision. He is older (not a huge factor), not at a premium position, and frankly the Jets hold all the cards here. Worst case, a good (not great) safety walks next year, maybe even get a comp pick for him as a bonus down the road.
And it's not like we refused to offer him a deal. It just wasn't to his liking supposedly. Understandable that he wants the moon and stars. But he doesn't have a knife to hold at Douglas' neck. I'd like for him to get a deal here, but I'd hate to pay him as a top 3 safety. I'd rather us move on.
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There has to be some move between making one contract offer, pulling it when he counters without responding, and caving into whatever Maye asks for.
I have to believe based on what we're seeing from this tactic is that the team doesn't actually value him that much.
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There has to be some move between making one contract offer, pulling it when he counters without responding, and caving into whatever Maye asks for.
I have to believe based on what we're seeing from this tactic is that the team doesn't actually value him that much.
Or maybe their initial offers are so far apart that it's a waste of time trying to find a middle ground.
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When was the last time we drafted a talented corner or safety and re-signed him without it becoming the most painful process ever?
Now that you mention it, I think the last homegrown DB we had who A. was actually good, B. stayed with the team beyond their rookie deal, and C. didn't end their Jets career in bitterness... Ray Mickens?
Could almost say Aaron Glenn but he was stolen from us in the expansion draft and went on to have a Pro Bowl season for the Texans - can't be mad at him for it but definitely annoying for us.
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Now that you mention it, I think the last homegrown DB we had who A. was actually good, B. stayed with the team beyond their rookie deal, and C. didn't end their Jets career in bitterness... Ray Mickens?
Could almost say Aaron Glenn but he was stolen from us in the expansion draft and went on to have a Pro Bowl season for the Texans - can't be mad at him for it but definitely annoying for us.
This is such a depressing answer. We lost Glenn and Coleman both to the Texans in that expansion draft.
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This is such a depressing answer. We lost Glenn and Coleman both to the Texans in that expansion draft.
tried to find youtube clips of marcus coleman catching TDs from vinny and had no luck
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Now that you mention it, I think the last homegrown DB we had who A. was actually good, B. stayed with the team beyond their rookie deal, and C. didn't end their Jets career in bitterness... Ray Mickens?
Could almost say Aaron Glenn but he was stolen from us in the expansion draft and went on to have a Pro Bowl season for the Texans - can't be mad at him for it but definitely annoying for us.
This just underscores how terrible we have been drafting players in general. We’ve had some strong guys, but few home grown at the same time in my lifetime. Not just in the secondary, but anywhere on the field we have struggled to draft quality players at any position for 20 years. Here’s hoping the some of the recent draft picks help change that trend some
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This seems like it might become relevant.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1419300591285772289?s=19
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Maye out 3-4 weeks. Can't make this up.
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When was the last time we drafted a talented corner or safety and re-signed him without it becoming the most painful process ever?
Old post but the answer is never.
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Maye out 3-4 weeks. Can't make this up.
Time to shop his derriere
Should be well rested for whoever gets him.
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Time to shop his derriere
Should be well rested for whoever gets him.
Going out on a limb and saying the best time to trade Marcus Maye isn't immediately after he gets hurt.
Seriously though, this sucks for our defense, and it sucks for his trade value.
Also partly justifies JD's decision not to pay him yet.
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His agent
https://twitter.com/ErikBurkhardt/status/1443311455747682314
Bye I guess
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Going out on a limb and saying the best time to trade Marcus Maye isn't immediately after he gets hurt.
Seriously though, this sucks for our defense, and it sucks for his trade value.
Also partly justifies JD's decision not to pay him yet.
The best time isn't after the trade deadline then he's an UFA unless we franchise tag him either.
It's now or never.
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His agent
https://twitter.com/ErikBurkhardt/status/1443311455747682314
Bye I guess
Shitty move by his agent, but clearly Maye isn't happy. Hard to blame him.
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The best time isn't after the trade deadline then he's an UFA unless we franchise tag him either.
It's now or never.
To your point, I imagine we'll be spending money in free agency, so I doubt a comp pick will come our way.
I still think I'd rather wait until Maye gets healthy. We also have enough money to tag him again if we want to.
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Shitty move by his agent, but clearly Maye isn't happy. Hard to blame him.
MB won't like hearing this, but if we end up trading Maye because we couldn't get a long term deal done with him then this is going to be another black mark in Douglas's book.
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To your point, I imagine we'll be spending money in free agency, so I doubt a comp pick will come our way.
I still think I'd rather wait until Maye gets healthy. We also have enough money to tag him again if we want to.
He's clearly a malcontent, we couldn't come to an agreement with him on a long-term deal.
He's not young, and we're not competing anytime soon.
We have 4 ish weeks to take phpnecalls and drum up interest.
I imagine him wanting a long term deal is going to be important to any suitors so you need time for them to chat him up.
Maye isn't going to make or break out quest for last place
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MB won't like hearing this, but if we end up trading Maye because we couldn't get a long term deal done with him then this is going to be another black mark in Douglas's book.
This is the 3rd time in the last 6 years dating back to college where he's missed multiple games due to injury. I don't think we can make a blanket statement that it would be a bad thing to not pay him a lot of money for his late-prime/early decline years. That would be determined by how he plays at his next stop and how much he's paid. Maybe it's a black mark, maybe we dodged a bullet.
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MB won't like hearing this, but if we end up trading Maye because we couldn't get a long term deal done with him then this is going to be another black mark in Douglas's book.
The Jamal Adams trade was overwhelmingly positive for this team.
You can't call this a black mark until we see compensation (and it happens)
If we trade him for a 4th yeah that's a black mark.
If we get a 2nd, I could get down with that. Especially since we definitely need the pick to draft a #7 receiver that we can keep inactive
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This is the 3rd time in the last 6 years dating back to college where he's missed multiple games due to injury. I don't think we can make a blanket statement that it would be a bad thing to not pay him a lot of money for his late-prime/early decline years. That would be determined by how he plays at his next stop and how much he's paid. Maybe it's a black mark, maybe we dodged a bullet.
There's always a justification for why it's a good idea to trade our best player at such and such a position, but then we continue to not replace them effectively and we get worse. So until we demonstrate any kind of ability to improve at a given position by getting rid of the expensive veteran and replacing them with a better, cheaper option, I'd really rather we kept them.
FTR, three injuries in six years doesn't seem like a terrible record for an NFL player. He has started 57 of the 67 games we've played since he was drafted.
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I’ve wanted to trade Maye for pretty much his whole career but I agree with JE that part of the reason we’ve gotten worse over the years is because of our inability to retain/sign any of our homegrown talented players, trade them for picks that haven’t panned out. Rinse and repeat but say “this new GM will draft better naow”
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There's always a justification for why it's a good idea to trade our best player at such and such a position, but then we continue to not replace them effectively and we get worse. So until we demonstrate any kind of ability to improve at a given position by getting rid of the expensive veteran and replacing them with a better, cheaper option, I'd really rather we kept them.
FTR, three injuries in six years doesn't seem like a terrible record for an NFL player. He has started 57 of the 67 games we've played since he was drafted.
I agree that we need to do a better job of keeping our own players, but each case is different. I defended the Jamal trade because we got enough value where I think it was fine trading him even without him acting like an derriere.
I would like to keep Maye, but there is risk in extending him to a big contract. I'm fine even franchising him next year.
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I’ve wanted to trade Maye for pretty much his whole career but I agree with JE that part of the reason we’ve gotten worse over the years is because of our inability to retain/sign any of our homegrown talented players, trade them for picks that haven’t panned out. Rinse and repeat but say “this new GM will draft better naow”
100% true
But the bigger issue is most of those guys who excrement out were first if not early first round picks.
Maye is a second rounder who wildly exceeded expectations, will be getting his second contract at 29, and happens to play one of the least valuable positions.
Richardson, Williams, Wilkerson, Darnold,Coples, kyle Wilson, and whoever the freak that garbage corner we drafted was are all much more devastating
Maye is kinda just ehh
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100% true
But the bigger issue is most of those guys who excrement out were first if not early first round picks.
Maye is a second rounder who wildly exceeded expectations, will be getting his second contract at 29, and happens to play one of the least valuable positions.
Richardson, Williams, Wilkerson, Darnold,Coples, kyle Wilson, and whoever the freak that garbage corner we drafted was are all much more devastating
Maye is kinda just ehh
Maye didn’t exceed expectations, he was a 1st round talent that slipped to the 2nd.
Drafting safeties with back to back 1st and 2nd round picks should have gotten Mike Maccagnan relieved of his duty before the 3rd round.
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…I just checked and our 3rd round pick was Ardarius Stewart :(
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Very dumb to do this, but it would have been pretty cool if we drafted Dalvin Cook and Chris Godwin. Or Alvin Kamara and Juju. Or Kareem Hunt and George Kittle…
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…I just checked and our 3rd round pick was Ardarius Stewart :(
The wpg blue bombers just cut him
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The wpg blue bombers just cut him
So what you're saying is he's available?
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So what you're saying is he's available?
Only if we're forced to activate Mims
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To your point, I imagine we'll be spending money in free agency
bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Corey Davis, Carl Lawson, Morgan Moses, Keelan Cole, Sheldon Rankins and some other smaller signings. It wasn't a crazy spending spree, but we spent money.
And I imagine we will be spending more money when this draft and next year's draft start to mature over the next year or three and we're ready to compete. And if that doesn't happen, there will be a new GM here.
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Corey Davis, Carl Lawson, Morgan Moses, Keelan Cole, Sheldon Rankins and some other smaller signings. It wasn't a crazy spending spree, but we spent money.
And I imagine we will be spending more money when this draft and next year's draft start to mature over the next year or three and we're ready to compete. And if that doesn't happen, there will be a new GM here.
Gotta save that money for Jimmy G
He won't be cheap
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https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1445164127857618945?s=21
I wonder if his dumbfuck agent will be making a snarky tweet about this report
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https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1445164127857618945?s=21
I wonder if his dumbfuck agent will be making a snarky tweet about this report
He'll be sober by the trade deadline.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1445169793364111361?s=19
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Welp, not extending him looks better now.
#Dougsawthefuture
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He got arrested in February…
Douglas knew
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He'll be sober by the trade deadline.
will you?
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He got arrested in February…
Douglas knew
Only the true wizards can see the past.
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https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1445164127857618945?s=21
I wonder if his dumbfuck agent will be making a snarky tweet about this report
Well here's his smug tweet if anyone wants to pile on.
https://twitter.com/ErikBurkhardt/status/1443311455747682314?t=J9xVM86Y3XEhv2EnmPxO7w&s=19
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will you?
69% chance
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69% chance
better odds than I thought.
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He got arrested in February…
Douglas knew
I'm sure he did, but it's a DUI and AFAIK his first one. He's not getting a custodial sentence and for a first offense he's maybe getting a couple of games from the league, if that. I don't see how this would feed into contract negotiations in any kind of meaningful way.
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I'm sure he did, but it's a DUI and AFAIK his first one. He's not getting a custodial sentence and for a first offense he's maybe getting a couple of games from the league, if that. I don't see how this would feed into contract negotiations in any kind of meaningful way.
He's an NFL player, it could be his 58th DUI and he won't get anything.
It won't affect any negotiations, but we will most certainly need to cut Jameson Crowder because of it, obviously.
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He got arrested in February…
Douglas knew
How did no one else?
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How did no one else?
Must have been a massive cover-up, it's the only way it could have slipped past the Jets beat.
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Must have been a massive cover-up, it's the only way it could have slipped past the Jets beat.
Should have put it in as a Marvel subplot.
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I'm sure he did, but it's a DUI and AFAIK his first one. He's not getting a custodial sentence and for a first offense he's maybe getting a couple of games from the league, if that. I don't see how this would feed into contract negotiations in any kind of meaningful way.
Agreed. But the agent looks like an even bigger asd.
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
Reviewed the court doc & police report. According to them, Maye allegedly hit a Volvo on his way home from Miami, then left the scene. The drive called to report accident, and as the responding officer began report, he was notified of a second SUV on the shoulder of road north
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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When officers arrived at vehicle, they allegedly found an “unresponsive” Maye. There was vomit on door & floor of SUV. Officer said Maye smelled of alcohol, had bloodshot eyes, slurred speech, trouble walking. Maye denied drinking, refused SFSE & was “unaware he hit a vehicle.”
isn't this clown one of our captains?
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isn't this clown one of our captains?
No, he's not
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No, he's not
it's time for big Doug to trade him for 2 firsts.
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Yeesh, no bueno.
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It appears the Jets were not made aware of the arrest. The NFL is reviewing the matter; they could discipline him. It’s unclear if the league knew about it before today. Failure to report an incident also is grounds for discipline, per league personal-conduct policy.
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3 yrs 30 mil 20 guaranteed (the Ted Kennedy discount)
Or shop for a 3rd rd pick
If not let him walk and get a 4th for compensation potentially
We have 3 options
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3 yrs 30 mil 20 guaranteed (the Ted Kennedy discount)
Or shop for a 3rd rd pick
If not let him walk and get a 4th for compensation potentially
We have 3 options
Douglas just slides a piece of paper across the table that says "Chappaquiddick"
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I'm sure he did, but it's a DUI and AFAIK his first one. He's not getting a custodial sentence and for a first offense he's maybe getting a couple of games from the league, if that. I don't see how this would feed into contract negotiations in any kind of meaningful way.
If Maye didn't tell the Jets about the arrest, that's a far bigger deal than the arrest itself in terms of his long-term future with the team.
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If Maye didn't tell the Jets about the arrest, that's a far bigger deal than the arrest itself in terms of his long-term future with the team.
of course he wasn't going to tell them, he was angling for a long term deal at the time. I hope JD trades his derriere.
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My order of preference:
1. He fires his agent and signs a reasonable long term deal
2. We extract max trade value and send him to a B-level team
3. Franchise him again for the lols
4. We send him anywhere for whatever we can get in return
5. He walks and we get nothing except maybe a comp pick the following year
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of course he wasn't going to tell them, he was angling for a long term deal at the time. I hope JD trades his derriere.
This was always going to get out there, and if you want to maintain a relationship with your current team, you need to be honest with these things. These cases always get out, even if it's 8 months later.
Kind of amazed the Jets didn't know until now. I don't know enough about front offices to know for sure, but I feel like that's something they should know about and be monitoring.
I have to imagine the agent is just fine being the bad guy because it looks so bad to say what he said and alienate the Jets and their fan base, only to have this come out right after.
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I wonder if his agent knew. Doubt it.
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G.T Bobby Thompson
@BThomps81
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Report: #Jets S Marcus Maye wants to be traded per @JFowlerESPN
uSTADIUM
@uSTADIUM
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#Jets to shop S Marcus Maye. @JFowlerESPN
mentions the #Rams and #Buccaneers as two potential teams.
Would a Maye for OJ Howard swap make sense? NYJ needs any help at TE and both have expiring contracts.
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I can't imagine we'd get much for him with all the legal crap hanging over him and he's a 1 year rental unless you sign him to a big deal.
Maybe a 5th rounder and a conditional spotted dick.
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OJ Howard stinks
I'd rather just get a mid-round pick for him, at least we'd have that prospect for several seasons
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If OJ Howard can't thrive with Tom Brady, what's he going to do here?
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If OJ Howard can't thrive with Tom Brady, what's he going to do here?
He never had a chance with Gronk and Brate ahead of him on the depth chart.
I'm not advocating for Howard, but there are other mitigating factors as to why he didn't thrive with Brady. Plus he was hurt last year.
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He also isn't good
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We're obviously not competing this year so let's just trade Gronkowski solely to pee him off.
I'm fully on board with our transactions being based on 90% spite.
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Stop sourcing lolStadium.
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OJ Howard stinks
I'd rather just get a mid-round pick for him, at least we'd have that prospect for several seasons
This. Give us a mid rounder to help us find long term pieces.
Also of course Maye wants out. His agent said so when he got hurt at practice a few weeks ago.
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Howard is trash. Take it from. Someone who lives in Tampa
I'd sooner take a 3rd or 4th before trading him for Howard
Howard is worth a 6th at best
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They lost with Maye and they won without him.
As much as I'd like to see them just tag him again, if they can get a mid-round pick, let him go and move on. Can't rely on a compensatory formula when this team needs to spend and bring in more talent.
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Good riddance. We need the picks and the salary cap space more than Maye. We'll need to resign Quinnen soon and next year we will push more aggressively in FA. And his agent is a bitch. Bye bye.
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Shame it doesn't look like it's going to work out, but given all Maye's been through here, I don't blame him for wanting out.
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but given all Maye's been through here, I don't blame him for wanting out.
He's made millions playing a game. He'll be alright.
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And he didn't go through much really. He's appreciated by the fan base and became a team leader. Ok, we have sucked but that's valid for every Jets' player in the last years.
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And he didn't go through much really. He's appreciated by the fan base and became a team leader. Ok, we have sucked but that's valid for every Jets' player in the last years.
Mostly the sucking. And seeing his fellow safety bitch and moan until he forces his way out. And then when he is a good player and a good guy in the locker room, he doesn't get the contract he wants. I don't blame him for wanting out and trying to play for a better franchise. Hopefully, we're on the way up, and I'd like to keep Maye, but seems like he wants out.
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Mostly the sucking. And seeing his fellow safety bitch and moan until he forces his way out. And then when he is a good player and a good guy in the locker room, he doesn't get the contract he wants. I don't blame him for wanting out and trying to play for a better franchise. Hopefully, we're on the way up, and I'd like to keep Maye, but seems like he wants out.
'You best balieve ima miss ballin out with you the most!
Luv'
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The plot thickens. Or thins?
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1451265144483418112?s=20
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The plot thickens. Or thins?
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1451265144483418112?s=20
When you finally realize you are ugly at the club, you realize you probably have to go home with the 3/10 chick.
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The plot thickens. Or thins?
https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1451265144483418112?s=20
The Lyin' King
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Sounds like Maye may have popped his Achilles
Goodnight sweet prince
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Feel bad for Maye. Might never get that big deal now. But that's the risk of not taking the deal when it is offered unfortunately.
Doubt we franchise him off an Achilles so he is probably gone.
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10 years, league minimum. Take it or leave it.
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So long.
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Looks like we need back to back safeties in the first and second round again.
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Looks like we need back to back safeties in the first and second round again.
someone get Rontez Head on the horn.
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So long.
Ditto
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https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1456622395486134278 (https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1456622395486134278)
Morbidly interesting.
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Another player fucked by Turf
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Imagine knowing that no one is behind you and then feeling that.
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I guess there we have Exhibit A for why players hate the franchise tag.
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I guess there we have Exhibit A for why players hate the franchise tag.
Yuuuuuuuuuup
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I guess there we have Exhibit A for why players hate the franchise tag.
It's exhibit A why players blame the franchise tag, even though the Jets made him multiple offers that he declined because he and his shitty agent felt he would get more money playing on the franchise tag and then he would have significantly more leverage either as a UFA or someone getting tagged for the second time.
I'm not sure how many of the offers are public, but I imagine Maye would have been paid somewhere near the bottom of the top 5 - 10 of safeties. Instead he gambled likely over a minimal amount and he lost huge.
According to the most recent article I could find, the Jets were offering him an APY of approximately 11 million
Which is > franchise tag currently and would've had him paid as a top 8 top 9 safety.
Certainly a team friendly but completely reasonable deal.
An extra 3 million a year would've made him go from a top 10 paid safety to a top 4.
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And had the Jets given Maye the contract he wanted and he had this injury, it would certainly have been a horrendous contract in hindsight.
Had Maye taken a 4-5 year deal with an APY in the 11 million range and this happened, it wouldn't be devestating
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It's exhibit A why players blame the franchise tag, even though the Jets made him multiple offers that he declined because he and his shitty agent felt he would get more money playing on the franchise tag and then he would have significantly more leverage either as a UFA or someone getting tagged for the second time.
I'm not sure how many of the offers are public, but I imagine Maye would have been paid somewhere near the bottom of the top 5 - 10 of safeties. Instead he gambled likely over a minimal amount and he lost huge.
Except that his contract was over. Players would argue, quite reasonably, that having fulfilled their contract they should be free to go to the open market. Instead, despite holding no contracted power over the individual other than the CBA, the team can decide whether they should be allowed to, and the player is given either the choice of not working or sitting beneath the Sword of Damocles.
Franchise tags are shitty and I have a lot of sympathy for players hating them, no matter how sweet the one year pot might be.
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Man, I'm grateful that the Jets aren't on the hook for a long contract for a relatively malcontented soon to be 30 yo safety coming off an achilles injury, but I still feel really sad for him. Easily our best second round draft pick since 2007, longest tenured current player, and one of our better performers on some bad teams. Feels bad. Hopefully he recovers well and has a decent playing career after this, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Except that his contract was over. Players would argue, quite reasonably, that having fulfilled their contract they should be free to go to the open market. Instead, despite holding no contracted power over the individual other than the CBA, the team can decide whether they should be allowed to, and the player is given either the choice of not working or sitting beneath the Sword of Damocles.
Franchise tags are shitty and I have a lot of sympathy for players hating them, no matter how sweet the one year pot might be.
Yes.
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Except that his contract was over. Players would argue, quite reasonably, that having fulfilled their contract they should be free to go to the open market. Instead, despite holding no contracted power over the individual other than the CBA, the team can decide whether they should be allowed to, and the player is given either the choice of not working or sitting beneath the Sword of Damocles.
Franchise tags are shitty and I have a lot of sympathy for players hating them, no matter how sweet the one year pot might be.
And the NFL might reasonably argue that franchise tags are good for the game.
It incentivises players to sign an extension with their current teams.
Imagine how shitty it would be if the nfl was more like the NBA where players said freak you and just went anywhere they wanted building dream teams, and it would make the nfl draft way more shitty.
Oh great the Jets finally found a stud franchise QB, now he's going to test the free market and tell the whole team to freak off.
I can understand the players not liking the tool, but it's such an important tool to the fans.
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And the NFL might reasonably argue that franchise tags are good for the game.
It incentivises players to sign an extension with their current teams.
Imagine how shitty it would be if the nfl was more like the NBA where players said freak you and just went anywhere they wanted building dream teams, and it would make the nfl draft way more shitty.
Oh great the Jets finally found a stud franchise QB, now he's going to test the free market and tell the whole team to freak off.
I can understand the players not liking the tool, but it's such an important tool to the fans.
I have no idea what the hell you're trying to talk about with this NFL/NBA comparison.
The NFL probably has more player movement than any other league.
No individual NFL player outside of a couple of quarterbacks has as much impact as the best NBA players.
The way the NBA is structures, most star players sign a max extension with the teams that draft them. Most superstar players stay with their original teams for 9 years at the beginning of their career.
It's apples and automobiles.
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I have no idea what the hell you're trying to talk about with this NFL/NBA comparison.
The NFL probably has more player movement than any other league.
No individual NFL player outside of a couple of quarterbacks has as much impact as the best NBA players.
The way the NBA is structures, most star players sign a max extension with the teams that draft them. Most superstar players stay with their original teams for 9 years at the beginning of their career.
It's apples and automobiles.
More player movement, but who has more movement of their best players?
When have you ever seen the best player on an NFL team walk away from a team? Not traded, but walk away. Virtually never. And if it does happen it's a respect thing in the twilight of their career. In the NBA losing the best player on your team is like a freaking game with this super team bullshit.
Hell the only reason we lost Revis was because we gave him some stupid excrement that didn't allow us to tag him
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More player movement, but who has more movement of their best players?
When have you ever seen the best player on an NFL team walk away from a team? Not traded, but walk away. Virtually never. And if it does happen it's a respect thing in the twilight of their career. In the NBA losing the best player on your team is like a freaking game with this super team bullshit.
Hell the only reason we lost Revis was because we gave him some stupid excrement that didn't allow us to tag him
The NFL literally has the franchise tag to prevent that from happening so players rarely have that option.
Instead, they must get traded. And trades are pretty much the only way players move in the NBA until they are longtime vets. Most crazy player movement in the NBA are tenured veterans. Most NFL stars aren't getting big money into their 30s
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My heart goes out to Maye who has always been a good soldier for us and seems to be a genuinely good dude (outside of the DUI) but I hope he freaking fires his agent for advising him not to accept our offer.
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Am I foolish to think that safety now supercedes corner as a need for us? Nickel and one of the outside corner spots seem to be locked down by MCII/Guidry and Hall. As long as at least one of the other guys (Echols/Pinnock/Dunn) turns out to be serviceable, we seem to be pretty okay there while at safety we've got Davis and nothing else.
Can't wait to see the reactions when we spend a top-5 pick on Hamilton...
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Am I foolish to think that safety now supercedes corner as a need for us? Nickel and one of the outside corner spots seem to be locked down by MCII/Guidry and Hall. As long as at least one of the other guys (Echols/Pinnock/Dunn) turns out to be serviceable, we seem to be pretty okay there while at safety we've got Davis and nothing else.
Can't wait to see the reactions when we spend a top-5 pick on Hamilton...
Safety is a bigger need than cotnerback. I dont think that is even debatable. Hall looks good. Slot corner looks good. Echols could use an upgrade but he is a rookie so he could keep improving. And the depth are all rookies so they should get better.
We have little at safety. Davis has done little so far and we dont have anyone else if Maye is gone.
I dont like spending high picks at non premium positions but if you think Hamilton is an elite prospect, I'm not entirely opposed to it. It is a glaring need and if he is a better prospect than the guys around him, go get him.
Hamilton fills so many needs. Hell, he could play maybe even play linebacker with his size and skillset. I really like what I've seen but I haven't dug in that deeply yet to our draft picks.
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Hamilton fills so many needs. Hell, he could play maybe even play linebacker with his size and skillset.
Forgive me for not considering this an endorsement.
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Forgive me for not considering this an endorsement.
It's déjà vu all over again...
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Forgive me for not considering this an endorsement.
We shall see come draft season. I want one OL. The other pick I am wide open to.
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We shall see come draft season. I want one OL. The other pick I am wide open to.
BPA & BOLA
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https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1456622395486134278 (https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1456622395486134278)
Morbidly interesting.
How is he that fragile? He took 2 steps forward
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How is he that fragile? He took 2 steps forward
turf monster got him
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turf monster got him
The turf monster is just another example of republican fear mongering to get you to sign contracts for less than you're worth!!!!
DONT BELIEVE THIS HOAX!!!!
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Re-sign this loser and spend the pick on offense instead
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Re-sign this loser and spend the pick on offense instead
don't re-sign him and sign a better safety in free agency
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Arrested for aggravated assault w/ a firearm this morning
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Arrested for aggravated assault w/ a firearm this morning
Keep it in the Saints thread.
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Keep it in the Saints thread.
i'll put them both in the Good Movies thread. #shaddup
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Keep it in the Saints thread.
lol don't put news about the dude in the thread about the dude?
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Strike 2
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lol don't put news about the dude in the thread about the dude?
Ol Cato needs to stick to patrolling bad words on the website.
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MB dug up a thread that’s been cold since January for a guy who isn’t on this team anymore.
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MB dug up a thread that’s been cold since January for a guy who isn’t on this team anymore.
Imagine complaining about something this mundane.
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Imagine complaining about something this mundane.
Maye is coming for you next
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Maye is coming for you next
i'll be ready for that piece of glass.
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I'm on #TeamCato. Maye isn't a Jet, and he's not an all-time Jet, so I don't care anymore.
Judge rules in favor of CatoTheElder. #beatWVU
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lol don't put news about the dude in the thread about the dude?
We got the dudes in the thread talkin about the dude playin for other dudes