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Title: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Jumbo on April 28, 2017, 07:03:29 PM
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Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: steves850 on April 28, 2017, 07:04:43 PM
I don't know anything about this player but why back to back safeties?

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Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 28, 2017, 07:06:30 PM
Just telling Pryor to GTFO.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2017, 07:06:39 PM
I don't know anything about this player but why back to back safeties?

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JACKASS ILL KILL YOU
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: steves850 on April 28, 2017, 07:07:14 PM
JACKASS ILL KILL YOU
The only reasonable response.

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Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Ornstein on April 28, 2017, 07:09:48 PM
I havent been this excited about a draft class since the year we took Sanchez. Maccagnan made it a huge point to get a lot younger and faster on defense each year he's been here and now he's added a new enforcer and a guy who can play corner or safety in the backfield.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2017, 07:09:50 PM
I know nothing about him, neither good nor bad.

Who wants to get me hype?
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 28, 2017, 07:10:08 PM
Figured Gilchrist was always bound to get cut. A little disappointed they aren't trying to make it work with Pryor, but our defensive backfield is in much better shape than it was.

And we can still grab a CB in the 3rd round.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2017, 07:10:51 PM
I know nothing about him, neither good nor bad.

Who wants to get me hype?
*unzips fly*
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Miamipuck on April 28, 2017, 07:14:32 PM
*unzips fly*

haha
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2017, 07:15:49 PM
Figured Gilchrist was always bound to get cut. A little disappointed they aren't trying to make it work with Pryor, but our defensive backfield is in much better shape than it was.

And we can still grab a CB in the 3rd round.
Not gonna lie, I thought we already cut him.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2017, 07:19:44 PM
Is there any chance Pryor stays and the Jets have Pryor, Maye and Adams all on the field? 
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2017, 07:21:44 PM
Is there any chance Pryor stays and the Jets have Pryor, Maye and Adams all on the field? 

If we don't end up trading Pryor, they could all see the field in nickel and dime packages.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2017, 07:22:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77K7RlIAN1c

He's a good player. I don't want to freaking hear about "too many safeties".
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2017, 07:23:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77K7RlIAN1c

He's a good player. I don't want to freaking hear about "too many safeties".

Too many safeties
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: WW85 on April 28, 2017, 07:25:14 PM
Jets have the youngest and one of the best set of safeties in the NFL.  While both can play both positions, Maye will probably play more FS.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2017, 07:25:45 PM
Too many safeties

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2017, 07:27:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs

Ok now I like this pick.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 28, 2017, 07:33:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs

Oh dat boi a stud.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: reuben on April 28, 2017, 07:35:50 PM
Jets have the youngest and one of the best set of safeties in the NFL.

Come on man.  Neither guy's even taken a practice snap yet. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2017, 07:37:14 PM
I'm really getting tired of picking defense. And somehow, no matter how many are spent on defense, this team never gets a pass rusher.

I have to remember this team is in 100% scorched earth rebuild mode.

Still, you have to score points to win games.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: sg3 on April 28, 2017, 07:37:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77K7RlIAN1c

He's a good player. I don't want to freaking hear about "too many safeties".
Two terrific football players

Two more to go in the third

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Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2017, 07:37:47 PM
Come on man.  Neither guy's even taken a practice snap yet. 

Thank you
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Pope on April 28, 2017, 07:39:31 PM
Not a fan of taking another safety but if he plays well all is good

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Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 28, 2017, 07:52:11 PM
i think the fact that they were picked consecutively makes people think of it weirdly, but we have to think that we had 3 picks tonight and the goal is to get the 3 best players we rated on a team devoid of talent

for example, if we had gone with positions other than safety at 39 and at 70, and then taken a safety with the last pick of the 3rd, the response wouldn't have been 'omg another safety'?....it would have been 'safety/backfield issue seems to be solved/resolved, jets took another guy at safety they really liked with the last pick of the 3rd round'. honestly it doesn't matter when/where they were picked, if we are trying to stockpile this team with the best possible talent available while also taking need into basis, which our defensive backfield definitely is.

looking forward to see what we do with our next 2 picks
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Laxin on April 28, 2017, 09:06:42 PM
Meh.

I think Dalvin Cook would have been a steal, and Im slightly pissed we passed on him. Don't really care about the character excrement.

I was questioning how Pryor and Adams would fit together... and then the Jets add another safety. At least it wasn't a QB. If this secondary sucks dick again next year, Bowles can freak off.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2017, 09:09:17 PM
Adams and Maye are interchangeable.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2017, 09:09:57 PM
Meh.

I think Dalvin Cook would have been a steal, and Im slightly pissed we passed on him. Don't really care about the character excrement.

I was questioning how Pryor and Adams would fit together... and then the Jets add another safety. At least it wasn't a QB. If this secondary sucks dick again next year, Bowles can freak off.
Well, rookies rarely come in and dominate day 1.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2017, 09:10:39 PM
Adams and Maye are interchangeable.
Yep.  Bowles said yesterday that safeties in his defense play in both roles.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Libero_2 on April 28, 2017, 10:29:30 PM
I'm really getting tired of picking defense. And somehow, no matter how many are spent on defense, this team never gets a pass rusher.

I have to remember this team is in 100% scorched earth rebuild mode.

Still, you have to score points to win games.

Unless of course the object is to lose games 9-6 this year, and then next year draft all offense and already have a defense ready to dominate.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2017, 10:31:58 PM
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Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2017, 10:34:11 PM
Unless of course the object is to lose games 9-6 this year, and then next year draft all offense and already have a defense ready to dominate.

Right, that's the "scorched earth" thing I was talking about. When you go full on rebuild, it's all about true BPA because you're looking at few wins the following year.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2017, 10:39:04 PM
Right, that's the "scorched earth" thing I was talking about. When you go full on rebuild, it's all about true BPA because you're looking at few wins the following year.

We've gone full on rebuild. We should be drafting at or near the top of the draft the next couple years.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2017, 10:43:03 PM
Jets have the youngest and one of the best set of safeties in the NFL.  While both can play both positions, Maye will probably play more FS.
Come on man.  Neither guy's even taken a practice snap yet.

Not to mention one could have already made the above argument when it was just Adams and Pryor.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on April 28, 2017, 10:44:10 PM
Not suggesting Pryor couldn't improve, but he was one of the worst safeties in the league last year.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Libero_2 on April 28, 2017, 10:49:55 PM
Not suggesting Pryor couldn't improve, but he was one of the worst safeties in the league last year.

Which is why nobody has offered us a deal for him
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 28, 2017, 10:55:35 PM
Keep him and try to fix him. Use him like mark Barron and the guy on the cardinals whose name escapes me
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2017, 10:57:27 PM
Keep him and try to fix him. Use him like mark Barron and the guy on the cardinals whose name escapes me
Let Pryor just kill Brady.  Only job.  Get ejected, whatever.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on April 28, 2017, 11:08:50 PM
Keep him and try to fix him. Use him like mark Barron and the guy on the cardinals whose name escapes me

Carson Palmer
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2017, 11:19:59 PM
In the presser, Todd Bowles just said he's wanted to use a three safety package in the past but wasn't able to do it as much because of the personnel on the roster.

If we somehow hang on to Calvin Pryor , I think he'll take on that Deone Bucannon LB/S role. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on April 28, 2017, 11:21:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUQthtYI5yk

Kevin Gates edition
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 29, 2017, 08:06:31 AM
I don't know anything about this player but why back to back safeties?

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Because our 2nd round picks never pan out, so there will be no conflict.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2017, 08:39:34 AM
As Bowles said, there's no point in thinking of these guys as free safeties/strong safeties.  They are both interchangeable safeties and will play roles in the box and coverage.  They may excel at one or the other, but will do both.

I am interested to see if Bowles/Macc are serious about keeping Pryor.  I can't imagine we could get much for him anyway.  Unless he becomes a problem, might as well let him play out the year on the cheap.  He can start if Maye isn't ready to go day 1, be depth, or play the hybrid S/LB role.  Injuries happen also.

I'd think Gilchrist is gone, but you never know.  Maybe they just keep him around as insurance until the last minute and then release him if everyone makes it through camp healthy.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on April 29, 2017, 08:47:45 AM
As Bowles said, there's no point in thinking of these guys as free safeties/strong safeties.  They are both interchangeable safeties and will play roles in the box and coverage.  They may excel at one or the other, but will do both.

I am interested to see if Bowles/Macc are serious about keeping Pryor.  I can't imagine we could get much for him anyway.  Unless he becomes a problem, might as well let him play out the year on the cheap.  He can start if Maye isn't ready to go day 1, be depth, or play the hybrid S/LB role.  Injuries happen also.

Marcus Maye should start from day one.  He's too good of an all-around player to sit.  I expect hiccups from him and Adams early on, but we should also expect a lot of promise and development over the year.  It will at least be fun watching them knock opposing players around all year. 

We'll have some exciting, young players on defense. 

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I'd think Gilchrist is gone, but you never know.  Maybe they just keep him around as insurance until the last minute and then release him if everyone makes it through camp healthy.

I don't think Gilchrist will be ready to play until the middle of the regular season.  I'm still surprised he's still on this team. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Laxin on April 29, 2017, 11:20:00 AM
The Cardinals used 3 "safeties" with Deone Buccanon, Tony Jefferson and Tyrann Mathieu so I guess its not inconceivable that Bowles wants to do the same here.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 29, 2017, 12:10:39 PM
The Cardinals used 3 "safeties" with Deone Buccanon, Tony Jefferson and Tyrann Mathieu so I guess its not inconceivable that Bowles wants to do the same here.
Bowles flat out said in his press conference that the Jets have 3-safety looks that are in his playbook but he couldn't use last season.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Dreamers on April 29, 2017, 10:47:47 PM
Is there any chance Pryor stays and the Jets have Pryor, Maye and Adams all on the field?
Yes as his salary is 100% on the cap already.  So he is likely on the team this year and walks next year.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2017, 12:35:19 AM
Yes as his salary is 100% on the cap already.  So he is likely on the team this year and walks next year.
I was talking about a trade at the time.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 05, 2017, 07:40:22 PM
Maye just returned an interception 60 yards for a TD in the green and white scrimmage.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 01, 2018, 06:22:09 AM
Happy Marcus Maye Day
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2018, 07:28:25 AM
Ayyyy
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2018, 07:31:02 AM
Mayyyye
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on October 15, 2018, 11:26:20 AM
Mr. Glass broke his thumb
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: reuben on October 15, 2018, 06:14:57 PM
Second rounder. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Libero_2 on October 15, 2018, 07:30:48 PM
Mr. Glass broke his thumb

Jesus really? When did he do that?

More importantly is he playing with it?
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Coach K on October 16, 2018, 08:01:10 AM
Jesus really? When did he do that?

More importantly is he playing with it?

out for 3-4 weeks it said

wheres Ronnie Lott when you need him lol
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 16, 2018, 10:41:34 AM
Second rounder. 

This team should trade their second-round pick away every year.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 16, 2018, 10:53:09 AM
Second rounder. 

By our standards he's still highly productive for a second round pick. He's at least been on the field.

Anyone seen Jace Amaro lately?
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 16, 2018, 02:32:38 PM
By our standards he's still highly productive for a second round pick. He's at least been on the field.

Anyone seen Jace Amaro lately?
Maybe. I saw a Jace Amaro jersey at the Colts game. I assume it had to have been him or family.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Italian Seafood on October 16, 2018, 02:36:57 PM
Maybe. I saw a Jace Amaro jersey at the Colts game. I assume it had to have been him or family.

Was he barefoot and carrying a club? Probably him.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on December 01, 2018, 03:30:37 PM
Maye’s been IR’d
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2018, 03:36:24 PM
Maye’s been IR’d

Mr. Glass
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: reuben on December 01, 2018, 03:54:21 PM
We at least we've upgraded to drafting talented 2nd round busts. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on December 01, 2018, 04:28:12 PM
Still played in more games than Dalvin Cook.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on December 03, 2018, 12:22:56 AM
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Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 03, 2018, 11:36:53 AM
May I now have permission to count this pick against Maccagnan?
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on December 03, 2018, 11:43:17 AM
May I now have permission to count this pick against Maccagnan?

No
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Jumbo on December 03, 2018, 11:45:01 AM
May I now have permission to count this pick against Maccagnan?

He's been pretty good when healthy and I don't think he was particularly injury prone in college, so I'd say no
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 01, 2020, 01:21:11 PM
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Jets Top 10 in defensive snaps:
(out of 1,120)
M. Maye 1,107 (99 pct)
J. Adams 975 (87)
N. Hewitt 778 (69)
B. Poole 764 (68)
D. Roberts 724 (65)
J. Burgess 670 (60)
T. Basham 600 (54)
J. Jenkins 577 (52)
K. Phillips 556 (50)
Q. Williams 520 (46)
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2020, 02:36:16 PM
Iron Man Maye
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Jumbo on January 01, 2020, 02:51:34 PM
May I now have permission to count this pick against Maccagnan?

Definitely no
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 02, 2020, 08:34:41 AM
Definitely no

Truth
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 02, 2020, 09:03:30 AM
after all the small niggles and injuries he's picked up over the past couple of years, he needed a season like this with regards to health and availability.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: insanity on January 02, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
after all the small niggles and injuries he's picked up over the past couple of years....
Boy is that a dangerous word to say out loud
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 10:47:26 AM
Boy is that a dangerous word to say out loud

I think d sw0rdz is a black man, which would make it ok. If not he'd need to make sure an enunciate that correctly to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 02, 2020, 11:02:35 AM
im as black as eric smith
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 02, 2020, 12:10:29 PM
im as black as eric smith

LOL so it remains a mystery.
Title: Re: Marcus "the other safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 22, 2020, 03:21:08 PM
https://twitter.com/alldaymaye/status/1275112406579118080?s=21

Cut this malcontent
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2020, 07:51:25 AM
Extend Maye at $18M per year. today.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2020, 02:22:21 PM
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Marcus Maye is tied for the NFL lead in sacks (2.0) and forced fumbles (1), and is tied for 3rd in passes defended (2)

We should probably look to trade him before the deadline because he’ll either eventually get hurt or walk in FA when we don’t want to pay him.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 02:24:58 PM
We should probably look to trade him before the deadline because he’ll either eventually get hurt or walk in FA when we don’t want to pay him.

load up on picks
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
load up on picks

Think about how many picks we can get for Becton.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 02:26:38 PM
Think about how many picks we can get for Becton.

he hasn't been soiled yet
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 02:32:11 PM
he hasn't been soiled yet

Exactly, his trade value will probably never be higher.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2020, 02:37:18 PM
Exactly, his trade value will probably never be higher.

wait till i buy his jersey first.....to complete the stupidity factor.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 21, 2020, 01:10:51 PM
Maye has played very well this year. Made the game-saving defensive play this week. He's developed as a leader defensively. I would bet that he's a big reason why the locker room has stayed together this season defensively. When he called out Gregg Williams after the Raiders game, Gregg was let go immediately after, and I don't think those two things are unrelated.

I hope we resign Maye. He also needed to prove he could stay healthy, and he's done that. One of a few bright spots this season.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 21, 2020, 01:25:04 PM
I'd like to see Maye on the roster next season.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2020, 01:39:23 PM
Maye has played very well this year. Made the game-saving defensive play this week. He's developed as a leader defensively. I would bet that he's a big reason why the locker room has stayed together this season defensively. When he called out Gregg Williams after the Raiders game, Gregg was let go immediately after, and I don't think those two things are unrelated.

I hope we resign Maye. He also needed to prove he could stay healthy, and he's done that. One of a few bright spots this season.

I’ve seen stuff about Fatukasi being a lot like Steve McLendon in the locker room.

The defense has leaders. 

I think Becton will become a leader on offense.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on December 24, 2020, 11:04:37 AM
2020 Team MVP
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 24, 2020, 07:58:07 PM
I would like to restate my opinion that I want Maye ro be on this team for the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2021, 04:39:42 PM
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Marcus Maye
@alldayMAYE
·
4m
Came out healthy!!! Glory to God!!!


truer words have never been spoken.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2021, 05:22:09 PM

truer words have never been spoken.

Except god had nothing to do with it, I don't blame him one bit for checking out today but self preservation had nothing to do with a divine power.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2021, 05:24:38 PM
Except god had nothing to do with it, I don't blame him one bit for checking out today but self preservation had nothing to do with a divine power.
You angered the gods with your tank blasphemy
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 05:24:57 PM
Except god had nothing to do with it, I don't blame him one bit for checking out today but self preservation had nothing to do with a divine power.

Who cares what fallacy he credits? He’s clearly done the work to stay on the field.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2021, 05:27:18 PM
Who cares what fallacy he credits? He’s clearly done the work to stay on the field.

You can not cheer or play for the Jets and still hold any faith in the existence of a higher power.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 05:30:42 PM
You can not cheer or play for the Jets and still hold any faith in the existence of a higher power.

If Jets fans subscribed to that level of rational thinking then there would be no Jets fans.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 05:35:28 PM
You can not cheer or play for the Jets and still hold any faith in the existence of a higher power.
Both Wilson and Fields are religious. Is that why you want to keep Darnold? Is he a heathen like you?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2021, 05:44:53 PM
Both Wilson and Fields are religious. Is that why you want to keep Darnold? Is he a heathen like you?

As the son of a priest I feel like I have the right to hold fairly entrenched opinions on religion, but actually I'm pretty ambivalent about it. Like most things, it can be a force for good or bad: zealotry is generally bad, but my experience of organised religion is that it's mostly about bake sales and community and small good deeds and quiet bigotry. I'd rather my preferred athletes focused on doing excrement for themselves than ascribing their success or failure to a higher power though.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2021, 06:01:31 PM
As the son of a priest I feel like I have the right to hold fairly entrenched opinions on religion, but actually I'm pretty ambivalent about it. Like most things, it can be a force for good or bad: zealotry is generally bad, but my experience of organised religion is that it's mostly about bake sales and community and small good deeds and quiet bigotry. I'd rather my preferred athletes focused on doing excrement for themselves than ascribing their success or failure to a higher power though.
So you hate the tank...and Jesus. Got it.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2021, 06:28:24 PM
So you hate the tank...and Jesus. Got it.

Jesus would not support the tank. Jesus was at no point ever a proponent of people giving up; he rewarded those who did their best to help themselves. You must have heard the Parable of the Talents.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2021, 06:31:32 PM
Jesus would not support the tank. Jesus was at no point ever a proponent of people giving up; he rewarded those who did their best to help themselves. You must have heard the Parable of the Talents.
We weren't getting help from Jesus....clearly,  you severed that relationship.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2021, 06:33:45 PM
We weren't getting help from Jesus....clearly,  you severed that relationship.

This is harder to argue with. I can ask my dad to have a word with him but I suspect he still won't listen.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 03, 2021, 06:36:19 PM
Jesus would not support the tank. Jesus was at no point ever a proponent of people giving up; he rewarded those who did their best to help themselves. You must have heard the Parable of the Talents.

jesus tanked to save humanity
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2021, 06:38:50 PM
jesus tanked to save humanity

How's that working out?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 03, 2021, 06:54:32 PM
How's that working out?

i watched adam gase coach this team for 2 years

fvck
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on February 28, 2021, 04:45:43 PM
SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports multiple NFL sources believe the Jets will franchise tag S Marcus Maye.
Maye has been a playmaker in every healthy season he has played for the Jets, dating back to the team selecting him with the 39th overall pick in 27. In 2020, he led the Jets with 11 Passes Defended. He was the only New York defender to log multiple interceptions and multiple forced fumbles. The Jets have money to spare and few things going in the right direction of defense. Keeping Maye around should be a priority for them. After tagging Maye, expect them to make a push to get him signed to a long-term deal.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2021, 05:29:31 PM
SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports multiple NFL sources believe the Jets will franchise tag S Marcus Maye.
Maye has been a playmaker in every healthy season he has played for the Jets, dating back to the team selecting him with the 39th overall pick in 27. In 2020, he led the Jets with 11 Passes Defended. He was the only New York defender to log multiple interceptions and multiple forced fumbles. The Jets have money to spare and few things going in the right direction of defense. Keeping Maye around should be a priority for them. After tagging Maye, expect them to make a push to get him signed to a long-term deal.
A shame he was so old when we drafted him.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MexJetinBcn on February 28, 2021, 06:06:48 PM
A shame he was so old when we drafted him.

Dcm said that? 🤪
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Libero_2 on February 28, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
I mean I would be surprised if we franchise Maye. But hopefully it just gets us to the long term deal, as we shouldn’t be paying him that kind of money.

Side note it would probably pee Adams off. So that would be a funny side benefit
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on February 28, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
I mean I would be surprised if we franchise Maye. But hopefully it just gets us to the long term deal, as we shouldn’t be paying him that kind of money.

Side note it would probably pee Adams off. So that would be a funny side benefit

I mean if we transition tagged him there's almost a 100% we'd lose him with no compensation, so franchise tagging him isn't unreasonable
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: delavan on February 28, 2021, 08:55:07 PM
SNY's Ralph Vacchiano reports multiple NFL sources believe the Jets will franchise tag S Marcus Maye.
Maye has been a playmaker in every healthy season he has played for the Jets, dating back to the team selecting him with the 39th overall pick in 27. In 2020, he led the Jets with 11 Passes Defended.

 He was the only New York defender to log multiple interceptions

 and multiple forced fumbles. The Jets have money to spare and few things going in the right direction of defense. Keeping Maye around should be a priority for them. After tagging Maye, expect them to make a push to get him signed to a long-term deal.

  As pathetic as that team stat is, Maye's 'multiple interceptions' added up to all of  2.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: mj2sexay on March 01, 2021, 11:12:13 AM
I mean I would be surprised if we franchise Maye. But hopefully it just gets us to the long term deal, as we shouldn’t be paying him that kind of money.

Side note it would probably pee Adams off. So that would be a funny side benefit

I'm pretty sure the tag for safeties is set at 11.5 mil, so it's nice to know if they don't reach an extension that his salary gets paid for and then some when they cut Henry Anderson and Alex Lewis.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 01, 2021, 12:47:41 PM
Really want to bring back Maye if we can. He emerged as a leader this year, and he played very well. I don't want to overpay for him, but I'm willing to tag him for a year.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2021, 01:03:32 PM
Really want to bring back Maye if we can. He emerged as a leader this year, and he played very well. I don't want to overpay for him, but I'm willing to tag him for a year.

I don't think I can remember a single interview or off field story involving him. He seems like the kind of guy who keeps his head down and does his work. Can't have too many of those in a locker room.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 02, 2021, 10:08:39 PM
https://twitter.com/erikburkhardt/status/1366941735079849987?s=21

lol
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Coach K on March 03, 2021, 06:55:42 AM
https://twitter.com/erikburkhardt/status/1366941735079849987?s=21

lol
That can't be good lol
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 03, 2021, 07:01:01 AM
Who the freak is Erik Burkhardt and what the freak is Select Sports?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2021, 08:33:38 AM
Who the freak is Erik Burkhardt and what the freak is Select Sports?

He is Marcus Maye's agent
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2021, 08:57:18 AM
That can't be good lol

Meh, it's agent 101. Two weeks before teams are running around trying to spend their money on other teams' players, this is his window to get his client paid before they're distracted by shiny new things and while fans have nothing else to focus on.

"Team got money, client want money, fans tell them to give client money plz thx".
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on March 03, 2021, 09:12:30 AM
Marcus Maye is a good player.  He's not worth creating a media circus over.

Give him the tag, and move on.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 03, 2021, 09:18:14 AM
I'm OK with tagging him with a goal of getting him signed long term.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on March 03, 2021, 09:19:45 AM
I'm OK with tagging him with a goal of getting him signed long term.

I'm also OK with tagging him for 2021 and letting him walk in 2022 if/when we have a replacement.  He's 28 years old coming out of his first deal.  Most prospects are 25 when they get out of their rookie contracts. 

With the money the Jets just saved by cutting Anderson, tagging Maye is basically a wash when it comes to the cap. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 03, 2021, 09:24:00 AM
I thought Davis would have been his replacement given his skill set.

That's the talk that was being bandied about after the draft.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2021, 09:56:02 AM


"Team got money, client want money, fans tell them to give client money plz thx".

I know JO is not a typical sampling of Jets fans but I don't think it's working.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Libero_2 on March 03, 2021, 10:21:35 AM
I thought Davis would have been his replacement given his skill set.

That's the talk that was being bandied about after the draft.

I think that was the thought. Then we traded Adams.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2021, 11:25:06 AM

I know JO is not a typical sampling of Jets fans but I don't think it's working.

I don't read Jets media outside of JO so I have no idea, but I think the fact that we're discussing it means that he's doing what he set out to do. We are all I think largely of the opinion that a long term deal for one of our better players is a thing we'd like to see happen.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2021, 11:34:17 AM
I'm also OK with tagging him for 2021 and letting him walk in 2022 if/when we have a replacement.  He's 28 years old coming out of his first deal.  Most prospects are 25 when they get out of their rookie contracts. 

With the money the Jets just saved by cutting Anderson, tagging Maye is basically a wash when it comes to the cap. 
Agreed. And I still don't fully trust Maye's health. Extending a Jets' 2nd-round draft pick is always dicey.

We should bring him back, but if we can't get a long-term deal done, I'm fine overpaying for 1 year.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on March 03, 2021, 01:00:27 PM
I don't read Jets media outside of JO so I have no idea, but I think the fact that we're discussing it means that he's doing what he set out to do. We are all I think largely of the opinion that a long term deal for one of our better players is a thing we'd like to see happen.
I don't think any of us object to a 2021 tag though.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2021, 01:11:50 PM
I don't think any of us object to a 2021 tag though.

I can't believe they'd tag him with the intention of just keeping him for the next season though, the only reason to give him the tag is to stop him signing for someone else if they haven't reached agreement on a new deal in two weeks' time. So the agent is trying to crank up a bit of pressure on Douglas to get it done.

All a bit of a nothingburger.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2021, 01:20:14 PM
I can't believe they'd tag him with the intention of just keeping him for the next season though, the only reason to give him the tag is to stop him signing for someone else if they haven't reached agreement on a new deal in two weeks' time. So the agent is trying to crank up a bit of pressure on Douglas to get it done.

All a bit of a nothingburger.

They might. We have no idea what he’s asking for. It wouldn’t make any sense to let him walk for nothing. Very little risk here from the Jets side.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2021, 01:28:36 PM
They might. We have no idea what he’s asking for. It wouldn’t make any sense to let him walk for nothing. Very little risk here from the Jets side.


Well, we do. He's asking for more than he's worth, and more than we're willing to give him. He knows that and we know that, because that's how all negotiations start. So now the agent gets to spend a few days explaining why the Jets are the bad guys in all of this, before they all sit round a table and figure out the real number.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2021, 03:58:07 PM
I can't believe they'd tag him with the intention of just keeping him for the next season though, the only reason to give him the tag is to stop him signing for someone else if they haven't reached agreement on a new deal in two weeks' time. So the agent is trying to crank up a bit of pressure on Douglas to get it done.

All a bit of a nothingburger.

Well there's always the possibility of tagging him again and working out an extension at that point especially with the cap expected to balloon the following year

Plus who knows how he will fare in a new defense with a new coach

If we can work out a long term deal great. But if we can't, tag him, and if he exceeds expectations tag him again and work out a real deal.

Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 08, 2021, 06:07:25 PM
Tagged according to Schefter.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on March 08, 2021, 06:13:09 PM
Gives us one more year to get a look.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on March 08, 2021, 06:35:02 PM
Gives us one more year to get a look.


More likely than not it's going to end up being a long term deal

Unless Maye starts smoking cigars on tiktok or some excrement
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on March 08, 2021, 06:48:45 PM
More likely than not it's going to end up being a long term deal

Unless Maye starts smoking cigars on tiktok or some excrement
Never know. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2021, 01:26:17 PM
Apparently Maye isn't happy with getting franchised.

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1369381068151914507?s=20
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2021, 01:28:39 PM
Apparently Maye isn't happy with getting franchised.

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1369381068151914507?s=20

I'm not worried. Confident we'll get a deal done.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2021, 01:34:42 PM
I'm not worried. Confident we'll get a deal done.

I think a deal will get done too.


I just prefer not to have any malcontents on the roster right before we start recruiting FAs
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 10, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
Apparently Maye isn't happy with getting franchised.

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1369381068151914507?s=20

Has any player ever been happy to be franchised?

You're not getting the highest salary at the position, just an average of top salaries, and you're on a 1-year deal, so if you get hurt, you're screwed. And you're obviously a valuable player since the team wouldn't franchise you otherwise.

But that's all irrelevant. The key to the tag is to force both sides to the table and hash out a long-term deal, which makes both sides happy. I highly doubt Maye is going to be upset once he gets paid. His name's not Darrelle.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on March 10, 2021, 01:47:20 PM
Has any player ever been happy to be franchised?

You're not getting the highest salary at the position, just an average of top salaries, and you're on a 1-year deal, so if you get hurt, you're screwed. And you're obviously a valuable player since the team wouldn't franchise you otherwise.

But that's all irrelevant. The key to the tag is to force both sides to the table and hash out a long-term deal, which makes both sides happy. I highly doubt Maye is going to be upset once he gets paid. His name's not Darrelle.

His agent needs to stop being a queynte hair on social media.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 10, 2021, 02:17:02 PM
Has any player ever been happy to be franchised?

You're not getting the highest salary at the position, just an average of top salaries, and you're on a 1-year deal, so if you get hurt, you're screwed. And you're obviously a valuable player since the team wouldn't franchise you otherwise.

But that's all irrelevant. The key to the tag is to force both sides to the table and hash out a long-term deal, which makes both sides happy. I highly doubt Maye is going to be upset once he gets paid. His name's not Darrelle.

this lol. nobody's ever happy to be francnhised, this is all posturing. he'd be happy if/when he signs a long term deal, irrespective of whether he was franchised or not.

us franchising him could mean one of two things - we did it to ensure he could not speak to anybody else, or we did it because we only want to commit to him for one more year anyways due to past injuries +/- his age. my feeling is that we want to keep him
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2021, 02:20:15 PM
Dudes not gonna be happy he's 28 coming off his rookie contract

But that ain't the Jets fault

I suppose it puts us in a pretty good position with him

Playing out on the tag has to be highly undesirable for him,  and I can't imagine him being concerned about his next contract

So go me the Jets move is to give him a nice 5 year contract making his APY putting him just outside of the top 5 paid safeties with a decent chunk guaranteed.

5 years, approaching 60 million, with around 40 million guaranteed

Should be plenty to keep everyone happy
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Libero_2 on March 10, 2021, 05:37:08 PM
Dudes not gonna be happy he's 28 coming off his rookie contract

But that ain't the Jets fault

I suppose it puts us in a pretty good position with him

Playing out on the tag has to be highly undesirable for him,  and I can't imagine him being concerned about his next contract

So go me the Jets move is to give him a nice 5 year contract making his APY putting him just outside of the top 5 paid safeties with a decent chunk guaranteed.

5 years, approaching 60 million, with around 40 million guaranteed

Should be plenty to keep everyone happy

I don’t know what the avg salary of the top 5 safeties is. But that sure feels like an overpayment for a safety
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2021, 06:16:40 PM
4 yr 40 mil 20 guaranteed

That's more than fair to a 28 yr old safety
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Coach K on March 10, 2021, 06:17:09 PM
Just guarantee the first 2 years and if he's healthy and good he stays if not cut bait
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on March 10, 2021, 07:02:46 PM
I don’t know what the avg salary of the top 5 safeties is. But that sure feels like an overpayment for a safety

5 years 60 million would put him at 7

5 years 55 million would put him at like 10 or 11

And this is before Jamal Adams getting his deal

And you have to keep in mind that all of those deals were made before Mayes.

If we get Maye for less than APY 11 million, then Douglas took Mayes agent to school
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on March 20, 2021, 11:42:25 AM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1373312608242139139?s=19
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2021, 01:58:30 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1391056297890570245?s=20
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2021, 04:54:46 PM
https://twitter.com/pff/status/1399818281440014337?s=21
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: reuben on June 01, 2021, 04:58:06 PM
https://twitter.com/pff/status/1399818281440014337?s=21

I am delighted by how pissed off Jamal Adams must be when he sees excrement like this. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 01, 2021, 07:26:37 PM
https://twitter.com/pff/status/1399818281440014337?s=21

excrement

did we do something right?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: loyaljetsfan on June 01, 2021, 09:27:07 PM
excrement

did we do something right?

Not until we resign him...which means he's gone after this season unless we tag him again.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2021, 11:09:54 PM
Not until we resign him...which means he's gone after this season unless we tag him again.

Is the double tag that prohibitive for safeties?

Given the teams cap room and the position, the idea of tagging him again if he has a really good season in Saleh's defense isn't crazy.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Libero_2 on June 02, 2021, 05:06:32 AM
I am delighted by how pissed off Jamal Adams must be when he sees excrement like this. 

That was my first thought when I saw that list
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on June 14, 2021, 11:54:10 AM
Maye reported to the team facility today.

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1404445862336548864?s=19
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: delavan on June 14, 2021, 01:37:51 PM
Maye reported to the team facility today.

https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1404445862336548864?s=19

Meanwhile in Seattle...    : )

https://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/2021/06/seattle-seahawks-jamal-adams-not-expected-to-participate-in-mandatory-minicamp-as-he-looks-to-sign-a-contract-extension.html
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The strong safety is reportedly looking for a contract extension that will pay him at least $16-17 million annually and Adams could be looking for a contract that would make him the highest-paid safety in the NFL. That distinction currently belongs to Denver Broncos’ safety Justin Simmons, who is slated to earn a base salary of $15.1 million in 2022.
NFW
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MexJetinBcn on July 13, 2021, 03:01:25 PM
Per Rapoport:

Despite the #Jets publicly stating their efforts to “relentlessly” re-sign team MVP Marcus Maye, the team has not responded to his last proposal and that offer has been pulled off the table, sources say. With 48 hours until the tag extension deadline, no deal is expected.

Then he added

Source adds: Negotiations went south weeks before the tag deadline when the #Jets offered Maye a deal that had an APY about 20% below even the tag amount for 2021. Maye turned down NYJ's offer & had significantly more in APY and guarantees from multiple teams heading into FA.

Source has to be Maye's agent, looking for the Jets to react.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on July 13, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Oh well.  See if we can trade him to Seattle.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Libero_2 on July 13, 2021, 03:15:13 PM
I would agree that’s coming from Mayes agents, especially if there are any numbers tossed around. Only the two sides would know and the Jets sure as excrement aren’t saying they are lowballing him.

I’d like to have him back but if Davis can prove he can handle it this year letting Maye walk might not be the worst thing ever next offseason
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2021, 03:19:28 PM
I will never understand why Jets fans are always so excited to see our better players leave.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2021, 03:27:00 PM
Can we cut Maye to give Crowder a raise?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on July 13, 2021, 03:27:38 PM
I will never understand why Jets fans are always so excited to see our better players leave.

I'd like for them to re-sign him, he's talented.  If it doesn't work out, maybe they can get something for him.  Who knows what the truth is in these negotiations.  I'm not going to cry over losing him, but I'm not going to celebrate it either.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on July 13, 2021, 03:28:02 PM
Can we cut Maye to give Crowder a raise?

Maybe we can renegotiate Crowder down again and then still cut Maye.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on July 13, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
I will never understand why Jets fans are always so excited to see our better players leave.

He doesn't play a premium position, and he wants premium money.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2021, 03:42:19 PM
He doesn't play a premium position, and he wants premium money.

We have no idea how much he wants, he's a lockerroom leader, he's a quality player, and our secondary is currently the weakest unit on the roster.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on July 13, 2021, 04:38:15 PM
We have no idea how much he wants, he's a lockerroom leader, he's a quality player, and our secondary is currently the weakest unit on the roster.

We do know he wants more than the Jets were willing to pay him
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 13, 2021, 04:53:40 PM
The biggest thing working against Maye is his age.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on July 13, 2021, 04:59:43 PM
The biggest thing working against Maye is his age.
Maye is also a draft pick from a previous regime. Joe Douglas will get his price or Maye is gonzo next offseason.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 13, 2021, 05:06:19 PM
We could decide to franchise him again next offseason and then Maye wouldn't hit free agency until he's 30. Unfortunately for him, he really doesn't have that much leverage here.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 13, 2021, 05:08:58 PM
We all like Maye and would prefer to see him extended but I totally understand the stance the team is taking here.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 13, 2021, 06:17:19 PM
The amount of safeties/safety projects we've drafted seems to point to Maye being off the team after this season.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2021, 07:59:45 PM
The amount of safeties/safety projects we've drafted seems to point to Maye being off the team after this season.

It's also a contract year for him

So unless we have anyone else on the roster who should be getting tagged after this season, that's gotta be a real possibility.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 14, 2021, 10:00:20 PM
It's also a contract year for him

Did you think I didn't realize this was inherent in him playing under the franchise tag?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2021, 10:04:52 PM
Did you think I didn't realize this was inherent in him playing under the franchise tag?

My suggestion was it makes it more likely he has the best year of his career, increasing the probability that he won't be disappearing
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 14, 2021, 10:07:53 PM
My suggestion was it makes it more likely he has the best year of his career, increasing the probability that he won't be disappearing

Why wouldn't you just say that?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on July 16, 2021, 11:55:44 AM
Maye is
Per Rapoport:

Despite the #Jets publicly stating their efforts to “relentlessly” re-sign team MVP Marcus Maye, the team has not responded to his last proposal and that offer has been pulled off the table, sources say. With 48 hours until the tag extension deadline, no deal is expected.

Then he added

Source adds: Negotiations went south weeks before the tag deadline when the #Jets offered Maye a deal that had an APY about 20% below even the tag amount for 2021. Maye turned down NYJ's offer & had significantly more in APY and guarantees from multiple teams heading into FA.

Source has to be Maye's agent, looking for the Jets to react.
The tag amount is the average of the top 5 safeties. Is Marcus Maye a top 5 safety? Probably not.

The Jets should try to sign him for a longer term deal for less than the value of the franchise tag. Maye gets security, while the Jets get a good player locked up. And if Maye doesn't want to sign that deal, the Jets can tag him this year and potentially next year to get his age-28 and potentially age-29 season without committing long-term.

I like Maye a lot, but the Jets hold all the leverage this season. And getting $10.6M this year isn't exactly horrible for Maye either. If Maye has another very good season, he will have a lot more leverage, especially if Adams signs and the franchise tag for safeties goes up a lot.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2021, 12:03:44 PM
The Jets should try to sign him for a longer term deal for less than the value of the franchise tag. Maye gets security, while the Jets get a good player locked up. And if Maye doesn't want to sign that deal, the Jets can tag him this year and potentially next year to get his age-28 and potentially age-29 season without committing long-term.

Sounds like what they did and he declined.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on July 16, 2021, 12:11:28 PM
The Jets have all the leverage.

Douglas can franchise Maye again at a bargain rate next season too if he wants to.  Take the deal. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 17, 2021, 02:09:54 PM
The Jets have all the leverage.

Douglas can franchise Maye again at a bargain rate next season too if he wants to.  Take the deal. 

Exactly this. All the moaning on social media about the Jets not "doing what it takes" to resign Maye is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on July 24, 2021, 06:55:00 AM
Jets placed franchise-tagged S Marcus Maye on the non-football injury list.
It's possibly a holdout situation since the Jets offered Maye a deal with a yearly value that was 20-percent less than his franchise tag's salary of $10.6 million. The Jets did not respond to Maye's counter and have since pulled their offer. He's considered an integral piece of their empty secondary after notching two sacks, found two interceptions and defended 11 passes.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 24, 2021, 07:54:49 AM
When was the last time we drafted a talented corner or safety and re-signed him without it becoming the most painful process ever?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on July 24, 2021, 09:07:14 AM
Maye is good but he does not deserve a huge contract

Douglas has all the power here
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 24, 2021, 09:11:35 AM
Maye is good but he does not deserve a huge contract

Douglas has all the power here

So this is the argument that gets bandied about every time this problem comes up.

And yet we have never had consistent talent at, well l, really any position on the roster for more than a couple of seasons. Brick and Mangold are the only two I can think of in the last decade.


We re-signed Revis , sure, but it was a struggle every time.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on July 24, 2021, 09:16:18 AM
So this is the argument that gets bandied about every time this problem comes up.

And yet we have never had consistent talent at, well l, really any position on the roster for more than a couple of seasons. Brick and Mangold are the only two I can think of in the last decade.


We re-signed Revis , sure, but it was a struggle every time.

David Harris
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 24, 2021, 09:22:18 AM
David Harris

OK so 4.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on July 24, 2021, 09:23:02 AM
So this is the argument that gets bandied about every time this problem comes up.

And yet we have never had consistent talent at, well l, really any position on the roster for more than a couple of seasons. Brick and Mangold are the only two I can think of in the last decade.


We re-signed Revis , sure, but it was a struggle every time.

We've been burned a bit on the last few big contracts we doled out to players we thought were the future (Mo Wilk, Enunwa).  It's not a reason to never give one out, but there are factors here that make it not an easy decision.  He is older (not a huge factor), not at a premium position, and frankly the Jets hold all the cards here.  Worst case, a good (not great) safety walks next year, maybe even get a comp pick for him as a bonus down the road. 

And it's not like we refused to offer him a deal.  It just wasn't to his liking supposedly. Understandable that he wants the moon and stars.  But he doesn't have a knife to hold at Douglas' neck.  I'd like for him to get a deal here, but I'd hate to pay him as a top 3 safety.  I'd rather us move on. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 24, 2021, 10:20:30 AM
There has to be some move between making one contract offer, pulling it when he counters without responding, and caving into whatever Maye asks for.

I have to believe based on what we're seeing from this tactic is that the team doesn't actually value him that much.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on July 24, 2021, 10:49:34 AM
There has to be some move between making one contract offer, pulling it when he counters without responding, and caving into whatever Maye asks for.

I have to believe based on what we're seeing from this tactic is that the team doesn't actually value him that much.

Or maybe their initial offers are so far apart that it's a waste of time trying to find a middle ground.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on July 24, 2021, 03:05:30 PM
When was the last time we drafted a talented corner or safety and re-signed him without it becoming the most painful process ever?
Now that you mention it, I think the last homegrown DB we had who A. was actually good, B. stayed with the team beyond their rookie deal, and C. didn't end their Jets career in bitterness... Ray Mickens?

Could almost say Aaron Glenn but he was stolen from us in the expansion draft and went on to have a Pro Bowl season for the Texans - can't be mad at him for it but definitely annoying for us.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 24, 2021, 03:10:32 PM
Now that you mention it, I think the last homegrown DB we had who A. was actually good, B. stayed with the team beyond their rookie deal, and C. didn't end their Jets career in bitterness... Ray Mickens?

Could almost say Aaron Glenn but he was stolen from us in the expansion draft and went on to have a Pro Bowl season for the Texans - can't be mad at him for it but definitely annoying for us.


This is such a depressing answer.  We lost Glenn and Coleman both to the Texans in that expansion draft.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 24, 2021, 06:47:39 PM
This is such a depressing answer.  We lost Glenn and Coleman both to the Texans in that expansion draft.

tried to find youtube clips of marcus coleman catching TDs from vinny and had no luck
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Libero_2 on July 24, 2021, 07:35:29 PM
Now that you mention it, I think the last homegrown DB we had who A. was actually good, B. stayed with the team beyond their rookie deal, and C. didn't end their Jets career in bitterness... Ray Mickens?

Could almost say Aaron Glenn but he was stolen from us in the expansion draft and went on to have a Pro Bowl season for the Texans - can't be mad at him for it but definitely annoying for us.


This just underscores how terrible we have been drafting players in general. We’ve had some strong guys, but few home grown at the same time in my lifetime. Not just in the secondary, but anywhere on the field we have struggled to draft quality players at any position for 20 years. Here’s hoping the some of the recent draft picks help change that trend some
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on July 25, 2021, 09:52:58 AM
This seems like it might become relevant.

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1419300591285772289?s=19
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2021, 03:22:13 PM
Maye out 3-4 weeks. Can't make this up.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Miamipuck on September 29, 2021, 03:23:51 PM
When was the last time we drafted a talented corner or safety and re-signed him without it becoming the most painful process ever?

Old post but the answer is never.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on September 29, 2021, 03:57:17 PM
Maye out 3-4 weeks. Can't make this up.

Time to shop his derriere

Should be well rested for whoever gets him.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2021, 04:25:53 PM
Time to shop his derriere

Should be well rested for whoever gets him.

Going out on a limb and saying the best time to trade Marcus Maye isn't immediately after he gets hurt.

Seriously though, this sucks for our defense, and it sucks for his trade value.

Also partly justifies JD's decision not to pay him yet.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on September 29, 2021, 04:39:16 PM
His agent

https://twitter.com/ErikBurkhardt/status/1443311455747682314

Bye I guess
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on September 29, 2021, 04:41:14 PM
Going out on a limb and saying the best time to trade Marcus Maye isn't immediately after he gets hurt.

Seriously though, this sucks for our defense, and it sucks for his trade value.

Also partly justifies JD's decision not to pay him yet.

The best time isn't after the trade deadline then  he's an UFA unless we franchise tag him either.

It's now or never.

Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2021, 04:41:29 PM
His agent

https://twitter.com/ErikBurkhardt/status/1443311455747682314

Bye I guess
Shitty move by his agent, but clearly Maye isn't happy. Hard to blame him.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2021, 04:43:15 PM
The best time isn't after the trade deadline then  he's an UFA unless we franchise tag him either.

It's now or never.


To your point, I imagine we'll be spending money in free agency, so I doubt a comp pick will come our way.

I still think I'd rather wait until Maye gets healthy. We also have enough money to tag him again if we want to.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2021, 04:46:54 PM
Shitty move by his agent, but clearly Maye isn't happy. Hard to blame him.

MB won't like hearing this, but if we end up trading Maye because we couldn't get a long term deal done with him then this is going to be another black mark in Douglas's book.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on September 29, 2021, 04:48:06 PM
To your point, I imagine we'll be spending money in free agency, so I doubt a comp pick will come our way.

I still think I'd rather wait until Maye gets healthy. We also have enough money to tag him again if we want to.

He's clearly a malcontent, we couldn't come to an agreement with him on a long-term deal.

He's not young, and we're not competing anytime soon.

We have 4 ish weeks to take phpnecalls and drum up interest.

I imagine him wanting a long term deal is going to be important to any suitors so you need time for them to chat him up.

Maye isn't going to make or break out quest for last place
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2021, 04:50:08 PM
MB won't like hearing this, but if we end up trading Maye because we couldn't get a long term deal done with him then this is going to be another black mark in Douglas's book.
This is the 3rd time in the last 6 years dating back to college where he's missed multiple games due to injury. I don't think we can make a blanket statement that it would be a bad thing to not pay him a lot of money for his late-prime/early decline years. That would be determined by how he plays at his next stop and how much he's paid. Maybe it's a black mark, maybe we dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on September 29, 2021, 04:50:27 PM
MB won't like hearing this, but if we end up trading Maye because we couldn't get a long term deal done with him then this is going to be another black mark in Douglas's book.

The Jamal Adams trade was overwhelmingly positive for this team.

You can't call this a black mark until we see compensation (and it happens)

If we trade him for a 4th yeah that's a black mark.

If we get a 2nd, I could get down with that. Especially since we definitely need the pick to draft a #7 receiver that we can keep inactive
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2021, 05:25:28 PM
This is the 3rd time in the last 6 years dating back to college where he's missed multiple games due to injury. I don't think we can make a blanket statement that it would be a bad thing to not pay him a lot of money for his late-prime/early decline years. That would be determined by how he plays at his next stop and how much he's paid. Maybe it's a black mark, maybe we dodged a bullet.

There's always a justification for why it's a good idea to trade our best player at such and such a position, but then we continue to not replace them effectively and we get worse. So until we demonstrate any kind of ability to improve at a given position by getting rid of the expensive veteran and replacing them with a better, cheaper option, I'd really rather we kept them.

FTR, three injuries in six years doesn't seem like a terrible record for an NFL player. He has started 57 of the 67 games we've played since he was drafted.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2021, 05:42:44 PM
I’ve wanted to trade Maye for pretty much his whole career but I agree with JE that part of the reason we’ve gotten worse over the years is because of our inability to retain/sign any of our homegrown talented players, trade them for picks that haven’t panned out. Rinse and repeat but say “this new GM will draft better naow”
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2021, 06:04:31 PM
There's always a justification for why it's a good idea to trade our best player at such and such a position, but then we continue to not replace them effectively and we get worse. So until we demonstrate any kind of ability to improve at a given position by getting rid of the expensive veteran and replacing them with a better, cheaper option, I'd really rather we kept them.

FTR, three injuries in six years doesn't seem like a terrible record for an NFL player. He has started 57 of the 67 games we've played since he was drafted.
I agree that we need to do a better job of keeping our own players, but each case is different. I defended the Jamal trade because we got enough value where I think it was fine trading him even without him acting like an derriere.

I would like to keep Maye, but there is risk in extending him to a big contract. I'm fine even franchising him next year.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on September 29, 2021, 06:23:32 PM
I’ve wanted to trade Maye for pretty much his whole career but I agree with JE that part of the reason we’ve gotten worse over the years is because of our inability to retain/sign any of our homegrown talented players, trade them for picks that haven’t panned out. Rinse and repeat but say “this new GM will draft better naow”

100% true

But the bigger issue is most of those guys who excrement out were first if not early first round picks.

Maye is a second rounder who wildly exceeded expectations, will be getting his second contract at 29, and happens to play one of the least valuable positions.

Richardson, Williams, Wilkerson, Darnold,Coples, kyle Wilson, and whoever the freak that garbage corner we drafted was are all much more devastating

Maye is kinda just ehh
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2021, 06:49:38 PM
100% true

But the bigger issue is most of those guys who excrement out were first if not early first round picks.

Maye is a second rounder who wildly exceeded expectations, will be getting his second contract at 29, and happens to play one of the least valuable positions.

Richardson, Williams, Wilkerson, Darnold,Coples, kyle Wilson, and whoever the freak that garbage corner we drafted was are all much more devastating

Maye is kinda just ehh

Maye didn’t exceed expectations, he was a 1st round talent that slipped to the 2nd.

Drafting safeties with back to back 1st and 2nd round picks should have gotten Mike Maccagnan relieved of his duty before the 3rd round.

Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2021, 06:51:16 PM
…I just checked and our 3rd round pick was Ardarius Stewart :(
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2021, 06:53:36 PM
Very dumb to do this, but it would have been pretty cool if we drafted Dalvin Cook and Chris Godwin. Or Alvin Kamara and Juju. Or Kareem Hunt and George Kittle…
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on September 29, 2021, 06:56:01 PM
…I just checked and our 3rd round pick was Ardarius Stewart :(
The wpg blue bombers just cut him
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2021, 06:57:35 PM
The wpg blue bombers just cut him

So what you're saying is he's available?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on September 29, 2021, 07:06:06 PM
So what you're saying is he's available?
Only if we're forced to activate Mims
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 29, 2021, 09:04:21 PM
To your point, I imagine we'll be spending money in free agency

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 29, 2021, 09:38:55 PM
Corey Davis, Carl Lawson, Morgan Moses, Keelan Cole, Sheldon Rankins and some other smaller signings. It wasn't a crazy spending spree, but we spent money.

And I imagine we will be spending more money when this draft and next year's draft start to mature over the next year or three and we're ready to compete. And if that doesn't happen, there will be a new GM here.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on September 29, 2021, 09:52:13 PM
Corey Davis, Carl Lawson, Morgan Moses, Keelan Cole, Sheldon Rankins and some other smaller signings. It wasn't a crazy spending spree, but we spent money.

And I imagine we will be spending more money when this draft and next year's draft start to mature over the next year or three and we're ready to compete. And if that doesn't happen, there will be a new GM here.

Gotta save that money for Jimmy G

He won't be cheap
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 04, 2021, 06:15:58 PM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1445164127857618945?s=21

I wonder if his dumbfuck agent will be making a snarky tweet about this report
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on October 04, 2021, 06:19:33 PM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1445164127857618945?s=21

I wonder if his dumbfuck agent will be making a snarky tweet about this report
He'll be sober by the trade deadline.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on October 04, 2021, 06:33:33 PM
https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1445169793364111361?s=19
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on October 04, 2021, 07:11:18 PM
Welp, not extending him looks better now.

#Dougsawthefuture
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on October 04, 2021, 07:17:58 PM
He got arrested in February…

Douglas knew
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Miamipuck on October 04, 2021, 07:19:00 PM
He'll be sober by the trade deadline.


will you?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on October 04, 2021, 07:19:22 PM
He got arrested in February…

Douglas knew
Only the true wizards can see the past.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2021, 07:19:28 PM
https://twitter.com/richcimini/status/1445164127857618945?s=21

I wonder if his dumbfuck agent will be making a snarky tweet about this report
Well here's his smug tweet if anyone wants to pile on.

https://twitter.com/ErikBurkhardt/status/1443311455747682314?t=J9xVM86Y3XEhv2EnmPxO7w&s=19
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on October 04, 2021, 07:19:41 PM
will you?
69% chance
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Miamipuck on October 04, 2021, 07:20:49 PM
69% chance

better odds than I thought.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on October 04, 2021, 07:21:55 PM
He got arrested in February…

Douglas knew

I'm sure he did, but it's a DUI and AFAIK his first one. He's not getting a custodial sentence and for a first offense he's maybe getting a couple of games from the league, if that. I don't see how this would feed into contract negotiations in any kind of meaningful way.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on October 04, 2021, 07:23:37 PM
I'm sure he did, but it's a DUI and AFAIK his first one. He's not getting a custodial sentence and for a first offense he's maybe getting a couple of games from the league, if that. I don't see how this would feed into contract negotiations in any kind of meaningful way.
He's an NFL player, it could be his 58th DUI and he won't get anything. 

It won't affect any negotiations, but we will most certainly need to cut Jameson Crowder because of it, obviously.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 04, 2021, 09:42:59 PM
He got arrested in February…

Douglas knew

How did no one else?
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: reuben on October 04, 2021, 11:11:05 PM
How did no one else?

Must have been a massive cover-up, it's the only way it could have slipped past the Jets beat. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 04, 2021, 11:36:42 PM
Must have been a massive cover-up, it's the only way it could have slipped past the Jets beat

Should have put it in as a Marvel subplot.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 05, 2021, 02:40:23 AM
I'm sure he did, but it's a DUI and AFAIK his first one. He's not getting a custodial sentence and for a first offense he's maybe getting a couple of games from the league, if that. I don't see how this would feed into contract negotiations in any kind of meaningful way.
Agreed. But the agent looks like an even bigger asd.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on October 05, 2021, 07:08:53 AM
Quote
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
Reviewed the court doc & police report. According to them, Maye allegedly hit a Volvo on his way home from Miami, then left the scene. The drive called to report accident, and as the responding officer began report, he was notified of a second SUV on the shoulder of road north

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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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When officers arrived at vehicle, they allegedly found an “unresponsive” Maye. There was vomit on door & floor of SUV. Officer said Maye smelled of alcohol, had bloodshot eyes, slurred speech, trouble walking. Maye denied drinking, refused SFSE & was “unaware he hit a vehicle.”


isn't this clown one of our captains? 
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on October 05, 2021, 07:47:25 AM

isn't this clown one of our captains? 

No, he's not
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on October 05, 2021, 07:51:25 AM
No, he's not

it's time for big Doug to trade him for 2 firsts.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 05, 2021, 08:02:09 AM
Yeesh, no bueno.
Title: Re: Marcus "the only safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 05, 2021, 09:26:23 AM
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It appears the Jets were not made aware of the arrest. The NFL is reviewing the matter; they could discipline him. It’s unclear if the league knew about it before today. Failure to report an incident also is grounds for discipline, per league personal-conduct policy.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Coach K on October 05, 2021, 10:00:26 AM
3 yrs 30 mil 20 guaranteed (the Ted Kennedy discount)

Or shop for a 3rd rd pick

If not let him walk and get a 4th for compensation potentially

We have 3 options
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2021, 10:06:21 AM
3 yrs 30 mil 20 guaranteed (the Ted Kennedy discount)

Or shop for a 3rd rd pick

If not let him walk and get a 4th for compensation potentially

We have 3 options
Douglas just slides a piece of paper across the table that says "Chappaquiddick"
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 05, 2021, 10:26:30 AM
I'm sure he did, but it's a DUI and AFAIK his first one. He's not getting a custodial sentence and for a first offense he's maybe getting a couple of games from the league, if that. I don't see how this would feed into contract negotiations in any kind of meaningful way.
If Maye didn't tell the Jets about the arrest, that's a far bigger deal than the arrest itself in terms of his long-term future with the team.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on October 05, 2021, 10:29:59 AM
If Maye didn't tell the Jets about the arrest, that's a far bigger deal than the arrest itself in terms of his long-term future with the team.

of course he wasn't going to tell them, he was angling for a long term deal at the time.  I hope JD trades his derriere.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2021, 10:39:21 AM
My order of preference:

1. He fires his agent and signs a reasonable long term deal
2. We extract max trade value and send him to a B-level team
3. Franchise him again for the lols
4. We send him anywhere for whatever we can get in return
5. He walks and we get nothing except maybe a comp pick the following year
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 05, 2021, 11:36:40 AM
of course he wasn't going to tell them, he was angling for a long term deal at the time.  I hope JD trades his derriere.
This was always going to get out there, and if you want to maintain a relationship with your current team, you need to be honest with these things. These cases always get out, even if it's 8 months later.

Kind of amazed the Jets didn't know until now. I don't know enough about front offices to know for sure, but I feel like that's something they should know about and be monitoring.

I have to imagine the agent is just fine being the bad guy because it looks so bad to say what he said and alienate the Jets and their fan base, only to have this come out right after.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on October 05, 2021, 12:38:14 PM
I wonder if his agent knew.  Doubt it.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2021, 08:12:42 AM
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G.T Bobby Thompson
@BThomps81
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15h
Report: #Jets S Marcus Maye wants to be traded per @JFowlerESPN

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uSTADIUM
@uSTADIUM
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15h
#Jets to shop S Marcus Maye. @JFowlerESPN
 mentions the #Rams and #Buccaneers as two potential teams.

Would a Maye for OJ Howard swap make sense? NYJ needs any help at TE and both have expiring contracts.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on October 13, 2021, 08:28:57 AM


I can't imagine we'd get much for him with all the legal crap hanging over him and he's a 1 year rental unless you sign him to a big deal. 

Maybe a 5th rounder and a conditional spotted dick.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2021, 08:30:05 AM
OJ Howard stinks

I'd rather just get a mid-round pick for him, at least we'd have that prospect for several seasons
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2021, 08:30:30 AM
If OJ Howard can't thrive with Tom Brady, what's he going to do here?
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on October 13, 2021, 08:43:02 AM
If OJ Howard can't thrive with Tom Brady, what's he going to do here?

He never had a chance with Gronk and Brate ahead of him on the depth chart.


I'm not advocating for Howard, but there are other mitigating factors as to why he didn't thrive with Brady.  Plus he was hurt last year.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on October 13, 2021, 08:47:35 AM
He also isn't good
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 13, 2021, 08:54:47 AM
We're obviously not competing this year so let's just trade Gronkowski solely to pee him off.

I'm fully on board with our transactions being based on 90% spite.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2021, 10:49:27 AM
Stop sourcing lolStadium.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Libero_2 on October 13, 2021, 10:49:45 AM
OJ Howard stinks

I'd rather just get a mid-round pick for him, at least we'd have that prospect for several seasons

This. Give us a mid rounder to help us find long term pieces.

Also of course Maye wants out. His agent said so when he got hurt at practice a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Coach K on October 13, 2021, 02:21:31 PM
Howard is trash.  Take it from. Someone who lives in Tampa

I'd sooner take a 3rd or 4th before trading him for Howard

Howard is worth a 6th at best
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: mj2sexay on October 13, 2021, 02:52:54 PM
They lost with Maye and they won without him.

As much as I'd like to see them just tag him again, if they can get a mid-round pick, let him go and move on. Can't rely on a compensatory formula when this team needs to spend and bring in more talent.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 14, 2021, 12:16:50 PM
Good riddance. We need the picks and the salary cap space more than Maye. We'll need to resign Quinnen soon and next year we will push more aggressively in FA. And his agent is a bitch. Bye bye.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 14, 2021, 03:19:24 PM
Shame it doesn't look like it's going to work out, but given all Maye's been through here, I don't blame him for wanting out.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on October 14, 2021, 03:35:24 PM
but given all Maye's been through here, I don't blame him for wanting out.

He's made millions playing a game.  He'll be alright. 
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MexJetinBcn on October 15, 2021, 06:30:54 AM
And he didn't go through much really. He's appreciated by the fan base and became a team leader. Ok, we have sucked but that's valid for every Jets' player in the last years.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 15, 2021, 03:12:17 PM
And he didn't go through much really. He's appreciated by the fan base and became a team leader. Ok, we have sucked but that's valid for every Jets' player in the last years.
Mostly the sucking. And seeing his fellow safety bitch and moan until he forces his way out. And then when he is a good player and a good guy in the locker room, he doesn't get the contract he wants. I don't blame him for wanting out and trying to play for a better franchise. Hopefully, we're on the way up, and I'd like to keep Maye, but seems like he wants out.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 15, 2021, 04:34:18 PM
Mostly the sucking. And seeing his fellow safety bitch and moan until he forces his way out. And then when he is a good player and a good guy in the locker room, he doesn't get the contract he wants. I don't blame him for wanting out and trying to play for a better franchise. Hopefully, we're on the way up, and I'd like to keep Maye, but seems like he wants out.

'You best balieve ima miss ballin out with you the most!

Luv'
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2021, 10:50:12 PM
The plot thickens. Or thins?

https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1451265144483418112?s=20
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on October 22, 2021, 07:19:58 AM
The plot thickens. Or thins?

https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1451265144483418112?s=20
When you finally realize you are ugly at the club, you realize you probably have to go home with the 3/10 chick.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: delavan on October 22, 2021, 10:20:14 AM
The plot thickens. Or thins?

https://twitter.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1451265144483418112?s=20

The Lyin' King
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2021, 11:53:18 PM
Sounds like Maye may have popped his Achilles

Goodnight sweet prince
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 05, 2021, 02:54:18 AM
Feel bad for Maye. Might never get that big deal now. But that's the risk of not taking the deal when it is offered unfortunately.

Doubt we franchise him off an Achilles so he is probably gone.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2021, 05:25:01 AM
10 years, league minimum.  Take it or leave it.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 05, 2021, 05:45:38 AM
So long.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2021, 08:13:54 AM
Looks like we need back to back safeties in the first and second round again.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on November 05, 2021, 08:35:59 AM
Looks like we need back to back safeties in the first and second round again.

someone get Rontez Head on the horn.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 05, 2021, 10:42:28 AM
So long.

Ditto
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: reuben on November 05, 2021, 03:08:53 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1456622395486134278 (https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1456622395486134278)

Morbidly interesting.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on November 05, 2021, 05:36:53 PM
Another player fucked by Turf
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 05, 2021, 06:21:55 PM
Imagine knowing that no one is behind you and then feeling that.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on November 05, 2021, 08:14:45 PM
I guess there we have Exhibit A for why players hate the franchise tag.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 05, 2021, 08:37:09 PM
I guess there we have Exhibit A for why players hate the franchise tag.

Yuuuuuuuuuup
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on November 05, 2021, 09:05:34 PM
I guess there we have Exhibit A for why players hate the franchise tag.

It's exhibit A why players blame the franchise tag, even though the Jets made him multiple offers that he declined because he and his shitty agent felt he would get more money playing on the franchise tag and then he would have significantly more leverage either as a UFA or someone getting tagged for the second time.

I'm not sure how many of the offers are public, but I imagine Maye would have been paid somewhere near the bottom of the top 5 - 10 of safeties. Instead he gambled likely over a minimal amount and he lost huge.

According to the most recent article I could find, the Jets were offering him an APY of approximately 11 million

Which is > franchise tag currently and would've had him paid as a top 8 top 9 safety.

Certainly a team friendly but completely reasonable deal.

An extra 3 million a year would've made him go from a top 10 paid safety to a top 4.

Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on November 05, 2021, 09:17:42 PM
And had the Jets given Maye the contract he wanted and he had this injury, it would certainly have been a horrendous contract in hindsight.

Had Maye taken a 4-5 year deal with an APY in the 11 million range and this happened, it wouldn't be devestating
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Johnny English on November 05, 2021, 09:19:47 PM
It's exhibit A why players blame the franchise tag, even though the Jets made him multiple offers that he declined because he and his shitty agent felt he would get more money playing on the franchise tag and then he would have significantly more leverage either as a UFA or someone getting tagged for the second time.

I'm not sure how many of the offers are public, but I imagine Maye would have been paid somewhere near the bottom of the top 5 - 10 of safeties. Instead he gambled likely over a minimal amount and he lost huge.

Except that his contract was over. Players would argue, quite reasonably, that having fulfilled their contract they should be free to go to the open market. Instead, despite holding no contracted power over the individual other than the CBA, the team can decide whether they should be allowed to, and the player is given either the choice of not working or sitting beneath the Sword of Damocles.

Franchise tags are shitty and I have a lot of sympathy for players hating them, no matter how sweet the one year pot might be.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: ons on November 05, 2021, 09:24:18 PM
Man, I'm grateful that the Jets aren't on the hook for a long contract for a relatively malcontented soon to be 30 yo safety coming off an achilles injury, but I still feel really sad for him. Easily our best second round draft pick since 2007, longest tenured current player, and one of our better performers on some bad teams. Feels bad. Hopefully he recovers well and has a decent playing career after this, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 05, 2021, 09:53:18 PM
Except that his contract was over. Players would argue, quite reasonably, that having fulfilled their contract they should be free to go to the open market. Instead, despite holding no contracted power over the individual other than the CBA, the team can decide whether they should be allowed to, and the player is given either the choice of not working or sitting beneath the Sword of Damocles.

Franchise tags are shitty and I have a lot of sympathy for players hating them, no matter how sweet the one year pot might be.

Yes.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on November 05, 2021, 09:58:25 PM
Except that his contract was over. Players would argue, quite reasonably, that having fulfilled their contract they should be free to go to the open market. Instead, despite holding no contracted power over the individual other than the CBA, the team can decide whether they should be allowed to, and the player is given either the choice of not working or sitting beneath the Sword of Damocles.

Franchise tags are shitty and I have a lot of sympathy for players hating them, no matter how sweet the one year pot might be.

And the NFL might reasonably argue that franchise tags are good for the game.

It incentivises players to sign an extension with their current teams.

Imagine how shitty it would be if the nfl was more like the NBA where players said freak you and just went anywhere they wanted building dream teams, and it would make the nfl draft way more shitty.

Oh great the Jets finally found a stud franchise QB, now he's going to test the free market and tell the whole team to freak off.

I can understand the players not liking the tool, but it's such an important tool to the fans.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 05, 2021, 10:06:10 PM
And the NFL might reasonably argue that franchise tags are good for the game.

It incentivises players to sign an extension with their current teams.

Imagine how shitty it would be if the nfl was more like the NBA where players said freak you and just went anywhere they wanted building dream teams, and it would make the nfl draft way more shitty.

Oh great the Jets finally found a stud franchise QB, now he's going to test the free market and tell the whole team to freak off.

I can understand the players not liking the tool, but it's such an important tool to the fans.
I have no idea what the hell you're trying to talk about with this NFL/NBA comparison.

The NFL probably has more player movement than any other league.

No individual NFL player outside of a couple of quarterbacks has as much impact as the best NBA players.

The way the NBA is structures, most star players sign a max extension with the teams that draft them. Most superstar players stay with their original teams for 9 years at the beginning of their career.

It's apples and automobiles.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: dcm1602 on November 05, 2021, 10:23:47 PM
I have no idea what the hell you're trying to talk about with this NFL/NBA comparison.

The NFL probably has more player movement than any other league.

No individual NFL player outside of a couple of quarterbacks has as much impact as the best NBA players.

The way the NBA is structures, most star players sign a max extension with the teams that draft them. Most superstar players stay with their original teams for 9 years at the beginning of their career.

It's apples and automobiles.

More player movement, but who has more movement of their best players?

When have you ever seen the best player on an NFL team walk away from a team? Not traded, but walk away. Virtually never. And if it does happen it's a respect thing in the twilight of their career. In the NBA losing the best player on your team is like a freaking game with this super team bullshit.

Hell the only reason we lost Revis was because we gave him some stupid excrement that didn't allow us to tag him
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 05, 2021, 10:57:02 PM
More player movement, but who has more movement of their best players?

When have you ever seen the best player on an NFL team walk away from a team? Not traded, but walk away. Virtually never. And if it does happen it's a respect thing in the twilight of their career. In the NBA losing the best player on your team is like a freaking game with this super team bullshit.

Hell the only reason we lost Revis was because we gave him some stupid excrement that didn't allow us to tag him
The NFL literally has the franchise tag to prevent that from happening so players rarely have that option.

Instead, they must get traded. And trades are pretty much the only way players move in the NBA until they are longtime vets. Most crazy player movement in the NBA are tenured veterans. Most NFL stars aren't getting big money into their 30s
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on November 06, 2021, 05:00:15 PM
My heart goes out to Maye who has always been a good soldier for us and seems to be a genuinely good dude (outside of the DUI) but I hope he freaking fires his agent for advising him not to accept our offer.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on November 06, 2021, 05:07:32 PM
Am I foolish to think that safety now supercedes corner as a need for us? Nickel and one of the outside corner spots seem to be locked down by MCII/Guidry and Hall. As long as at least one of the other guys (Echols/Pinnock/Dunn) turns out to be serviceable, we seem to be pretty okay there while at safety we've got Davis and nothing else.

Can't wait to see the reactions when we spend a top-5 pick on Hamilton...
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 06, 2021, 06:07:30 PM
Am I foolish to think that safety now supercedes corner as a need for us? Nickel and one of the outside corner spots seem to be locked down by MCII/Guidry and Hall. As long as at least one of the other guys (Echols/Pinnock/Dunn) turns out to be serviceable, we seem to be pretty okay there while at safety we've got Davis and nothing else.

Can't wait to see the reactions when we spend a top-5 pick on Hamilton...
Safety is a bigger need than cotnerback. I dont think that is even debatable. Hall looks good. Slot corner looks good. Echols could use an upgrade but he is a rookie so he could keep improving. And the depth are all rookies so they should get better.

We have little at safety. Davis has done little so far and we dont have anyone else if Maye is gone.

I dont like spending high picks at non premium positions but if you think Hamilton is an elite prospect, I'm not entirely opposed to it. It is a glaring need and if he is a better prospect than the guys around him, go get him.

Hamilton fills so many needs. Hell, he could play maybe even play linebacker with his size and skillset. I really like what I've seen but I haven't dug in that deeply yet to our draft picks.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on November 06, 2021, 06:55:31 PM


Hamilton fills so many needs. Hell, he could play maybe even play linebacker with his size and skillset.

Forgive me for not considering this an endorsement.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Andrew Ryan on November 06, 2021, 08:54:33 PM
Forgive me for not considering this an endorsement.

It's déjà vu all over again...
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 06, 2021, 08:55:05 PM

Forgive me for not considering this an endorsement.
We shall see come draft season. I want one OL. The other pick I am wide open to.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2021, 08:52:45 AM
We shall see come draft season. I want one OL. The other pick I am wide open to.
BPA & BOLA
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 09, 2021, 08:30:31 AM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1456622395486134278 (https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1456622395486134278)

Morbidly interesting.


How is he that fragile? He took 2 steps forward
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on November 09, 2021, 08:33:01 AM
How is he that fragile? He took 2 steps forward

turf monster got him
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: insanity on November 09, 2021, 08:46:32 AM
turf monster got him
The turf monster is just another example of republican fear mongering to get you to sign contracts for less than you're worth!!!!

DONT BELIEVE THIS HOAX!!!!
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 19, 2022, 02:46:41 PM
Re-sign this loser and spend the pick on offense instead
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on January 19, 2022, 02:53:24 PM
Re-sign this loser and spend the pick on offense instead

don't re-sign him and sign a better safety in free agency
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2022, 12:56:22 PM
Arrested for aggravated assault w/ a firearm this morning
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 01, 2022, 12:57:21 PM
Arrested for aggravated assault w/ a firearm this morning

Keep it in the Saints thread.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2022, 12:59:42 PM
Keep it in the Saints thread.

i'll put them both in the Good Movies thread. #shaddup
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: steves850 on September 01, 2022, 01:21:43 PM
Keep it in the Saints thread.

lol don't put news about the dude in the thread about the dude?
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on September 01, 2022, 01:22:48 PM
Strike 2
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2022, 01:23:02 PM
lol don't put news about the dude in the thread about the dude?

Ol Cato needs to stick to patrolling bad words on the website.   
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 01, 2022, 01:33:00 PM
MB dug up a thread that’s been cold since January for a guy who isn’t on this team anymore.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2022, 01:36:11 PM
MB dug up a thread that’s been cold since January for a guy who isn’t on this team anymore.

Imagine complaining about something this mundane.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Heismanberg on September 01, 2022, 01:39:52 PM
Imagine complaining about something this mundane.

Maye is coming for you next
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2022, 01:40:55 PM
Maye is coming for you next

i'll be ready for that piece of glass.
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 01, 2022, 04:14:00 PM
I'm on #TeamCato. Maye isn't a Jet, and he's not an all-time Jet, so I don't care anymore.

Judge rules in favor of CatoTheElder. #beatWVU
Title: Re: Marcus "the safety" Maye
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2022, 05:34:27 PM
lol don't put news about the dude in the thread about the dude?
We got the dudes in the thread talkin about the dude playin for other dudes