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Other Stuff => The Pats-Hater Parking Lot => Topic started by: Johnny English on December 13, 2013, 02:55:14 PM
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We should probably just have one thread given the regularity with which it happens.
In today's fun and games, a gunman has opened fire in a high school in Colorado, 10 miles from Columbine. There were reports of injuries, currently it looks like the shooter is injured and the school is being evacuated.
Update: shooter is dead from a self-inflicted injury. Was a student.
Further update: one student seriously injured with a gunshot wound, another not so serious. Shooter was apparently after a specific teacher.
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Remember when kids only used slingshots and threw rocks?
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http://www.9news.com/rss/article/368628/222/2-injured-in-shooting-at-Arapahoe-High-School
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Remember when kids only used slingshots and threw rocks?
Hey man no lets pick on the fat kid any longer, the fat kid just may have a collection of assault rifles.
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Remember when kids only used slingshots and threw rocks?
No, and neither do you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#History
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No, and neither do you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#History
I don't see any Canadian entries in there......so, I do.
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I don't see any Canadian entries in there......so, I do.
The last school shooting in Canada was 1999. Prior to that it was 1975. I'm presuming that the reason for so few school shootings in Canada is because we have all those armed teachers acting as a deterrent.
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The last school shooting in Canada was 1999. Prior to that it was 1975. I'm presuming that the reason for so few school shootings in Canada is because we have all those armed teachers acting as a deterrent.
Well it's certainly not gun ownership:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
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I don't see any Canadian entries in there......so, I do.
You didn't say anything about Canadian kids.
But since you asked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:School_killings_in_Canada
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You didn't say anything about Canadian kids.
But since you asked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:School_killings_in_Canada
I'm not buying it
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I'm not buying it
Maybe you should avoid shooting threads, you're bad at them (http://www.jetoffensive.com/index.php?topic=153.msg5849#msg5849).
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Maybe you should avoid shooting threads, you're bad at them.
Nah..I'll continue the status quo.
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Well it's certainly not gun ownership:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
1/3rd the rate of the US.
I'd like to see the distribution of the type of firearms and the purposes.
Quite a bit of hunting grounds in Canada. I imagine a lot of hunting rifles and shotguns
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Well it's certainly not gun ownership:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
Actually, that's a really skewed way of using the statistic. Private ownership of firearms in metropolitan areas is virtually non-existent - the vast majority of firearms in Canada are owned by people who live in rural areas, and the vast majority of those firearms are rifles and shotguns because bears and moose and excrement.
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Actually, that's a really skewed way of using the statistic. Private ownership of firearms in metropolitan areas is virtually non-existent - the vast majority of firearms in Canada are owned by people who live in rural areas, and the vast majority of those firearms are rifles and shotguns because bears and moose and excrement.
That was exactly my suspicion
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Nah..I'll continue the status quo.
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Tomorrow is the one-year anniversary of Sandy Hook, btw.
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you really do love it.
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Update on the victims:
One student, a 15-year-old girl, was reported in critical condition and undergoing surgery. The other student was released from the hospital Friday evening.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24718883/reports-shots-fired-at-arapahoe-high-school
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CNN reporting an active shooter currently on the third floor of the Renown Medical Center in Reno. Casualties reported.
Edit: Fox reporting two dead including the shooter, and four injured.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-lanza-twisted-call-radio-station-article-1.1580984
Apparently he posted on this forum: http://www.shockedbeyondbelief.com/discuss/index.php
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These two look like a pair of winners.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-cops-three-others-killed-las-vegas-shooting-spree-n125766
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Whatever happened to that retard shooting cops in New Brunswick?
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Whatever happened to that retard shooting cops in New Brunswick?
Sounds like he was arrested the other day.
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Another school shooting today (Portland). The gunman is dead according to the sheriff's department.
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Another school shooting today (Portland). The gunman is dead according to the sheriff's department.
Does 2 people dead count as a mass shooting? I think not! Totally inappropriate for this thread.
/bad joke
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http://6abc.com/news/shooting-reported-at-high-school-north-of-seattle/364512/
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Not really a "mass" shooting, but at least this one has a happy ending.
http://www.counton2.com/story/26851008/1-dead-after-nc-grandfather-fires-back-at-trio-in-attempted-rape-of-teen-granddaughter-sheriff-says
3 scumbags break into a house robbing a family and trying to rape a guys granddaughter. He kills one of them, and the other 2 had to be airlifted for emergency surgery.
Hopefully the other 2 join their friend
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/11/20/report-shooting-at-fsu/
3 wounded, gunman killed by police
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What happened to whn thse dudes would just off thmselvs?
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What happened to whn thse dudes would just off thmselvs?
Ah, the good ol' days.
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What happened to whn thse dudes would just off thmselvs?
Or their parents and siblings and then themselves. I am in favor of getting the genes out of the pool.
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What if only one person gets shot, but he's morbidly obese. Is it still a mass shooting?
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What if only one person gets shot, but he's morbidly obese. Is it still a mass shooting?
PWWWCCCHHHHH!!
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PWWWCCCHHHHH!!
SHOT TO THA HEAAAART!!!!!
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SHOT TO THA HEAAAART!!!!!
You guys love your hair bands,
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What happened to whn thse dudes would just off thmselvs?
What happened to your Es?
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/17/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/28902017/
freak whoever did this.
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South Carolina Senator Clementa Pinckney is one of the victims. He was the minister at the church.
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Shots were fired at a church in Memphis this morning
http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/29350533/shots-fired-into-church-on-pendleton-street
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BN) U.S. Opens Hate-Crime Probe of Black Church Killing of 9 Pe
ople
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BFW 06/18 04:51 *CHARLESTON POLICE SAY 9 DEAD IN CHURCH SHOOTING
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U.S. Opens Hate-Crime Probe of Black Church Killing of 9 People
2015-06-18 13:26:03.913 GMT
By Michael C. Bender
(Bloomberg) -- The fatal shooting by a white gunman of nine
people in a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina,
will be investigated as a possible hate crime by federal
authorities.
The Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, the FBI and
the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of South Carolina
said Thursday they are probing the shooting at Emanuel AME
Church. Federal agencies are cooperating with the state’s
investigation, according to a Justice Department statement.
The suspect was attending a meeting in the church for
almost an hour before he killed nine people and injured at least
one other in an incident that both the mayor and police chief
said was a hate crime. Police were still searching Thursday
morning for the suspect, who they described as a male between 21
and 24 years old.
Police Chief Greg Mullen said three men and six women were
killed Wednesday night, and there were three survivors inside
the church. He declined to identify victims or survivors or the
type of gun used while speaking to reporters at a news
conference.
“No one in this community will ever forget this night,”
Mullen said.
The church’s pastor, Clementa Pinckney, a South Carolina
state senator, was among those killed, Reverend Al Sharpton said
in a post on his Twitter feed.
Mayor Joseph Riley Jr. described the shootings as “an
unfathomable and unspeakable act” committed by someone with a
“deranged mind.”
“We’re committed to finding this horrible scoundrel,”
Riley said.
‘Extremely Dangerous’
Mullen said police received a call about the shooting at
9:05 p.m., and officers found eight people dead when they
arrived. One person who was taken to the Medical University of
South Carolina later died, he said.
Mullen described the shooter as having sandy-blond hair and
being “extremely dangerous.” A post on the police department’s
Twitter feed described the suspect as having a slender build and
wearing a gray sweatshirt and Timberland boots.
The suspect was in the church attending a meeting for
almost an hour before the shooting, Mullen said. Police don’t
know if anyone was targeted “other than the church itself,” he
said.
“This is a tragedy that no community should have to
experience,” he said. “It is unfathomable that somebody in
today’s society would walk into a church when people are having
a prayer meeting and take their lives. And I can assure you that
we’re going to do everything in our power to find this
individual, lock him up, to make sure that he does not hurt
anyone else.”
Governor Haley
South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, a Republican, asked
for prayers for the families affected by the shooting.
Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush canceled a campaign
event in the city scheduled for Thursday morning.
“While we do not yet know all of the details, we do know
that we’ll never understand what motivates anyone to enter one
of our places of worship and take the life of another,” Haley
said in a statement.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/17/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/28902017/
freak whoever did this.
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They caught him.
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I'm not sure where to put this one, but given that it left three dead and was a hate crime, this seems an appropriate place. The young man in question was the cousin of my neighbors growing up, a Syrian family that still lives next door to my parents. Their kids, a girl now in law school and a boy now in medical school with the US Army, lost their cousin and just this week lost their mom to cancer. One of the greatest families I know absolutely torn up, and this article happened to come out today.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/22/the-story-of-a-hate-crime
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excrement is just getting worse at this point.
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Awful tragedy, but sucks we're going to hear nothing but "it's open season on black people" crap. Twitter is already raging.
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Awful tragedy, but sucks we're going to hear nothing but "it's open season on black people" crap. Twitter is already raging.
Sucks we're then going to hear nothing but "enough with the race crap".
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Sucks we're then going to hear nothing but "enough with the race crap".
The one thing I've been seeing on Twitter today that I'm really starting to come around to is the idea of treating these "hate crimes" as domestic terrorism. If the same thing happened in a Muslim country, even if it were Muslims killing Muslims, we'd label it terrorism. So why is it any different here?
Start sending trash like this to Gitmo and stop allowing people to handwave off things as simple racism.
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I have no idea what should be done.
How do you punish someone who doesn't care and is willing to die?
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I have no idea what should be done.
How do you punish someone who doesn't care and is willing to die?
There's a big difference between being willing to die and being willing to suffer. This guy may want to die but he doesn't want to go into a prison after shooting up a church.
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The one thing I've been seeing on Twitter today that I'm really starting to come around to is the idea of treating these "hate crimes" as domestic terrorism. If the same thing happened in a Muslim country, even if it were Muslims killing Muslims, we'd label it terrorism. So why is it any different here?
Start sending trash like this to Gitmo and stop allowing people to handwave off things as simple racism.
But surely you can see the difference between organized terrorism and random acts of violence. By calling this "domestic terrorism" you're implying that there's an ideology around this guy shooting innocent people. Even Domestic Terrorism according is define by acts intended to coerce a civilian population, influence policy by intimidation, or affect the conduct of a govt, etc.
Some crazy kid going on a shooting spree doesn't fit. And calling it "white terrorism" or some excrement is just going to make excrement a lot worse.
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But surely you can see the difference between organized terrorism and random acts of violence. By calling this "domestic terrorism" you're implying that there's an ideology around this guy shooting innocent people. Even Domestic Terrorism according is define by acts intended to coerce a civilian population, influence policy by intimidation, or affect the conduct of a govt, etc.
Some crazy kid going on a shooting spree doesn't fit. And calling it "white terrorism" or some excrement is just going to make excrement a lot worse.
While I often write in definite terms (a side-effect of my schooling) I know no answer is ever clear-cut.
Is this not ideological though? Obviously we need to hear more of the story, but a white dude shot up a bunch of black people in a church. He had a confederate flag on his license plate (saw the image on Twitter earlier). Alone those aren't screaming "terrorism" but that storyline will become more clear during evidence gathering going forward.
The big thing is, the answer can not continue to be things like "Let's not bring up that race crap" or "It's just a mentally ill person in a senseless act of violence" or "Let's not bring gun control into the conversation about a tragic situation."
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"I have to do it," Roof apparently explained to his victims, all of whom were black. "You rape our women and you're taking over our country, and you have to go."
There are 19 hate groups currently operating in South Carolina, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). One of those groups is a part of the Nation of Islam, and another solely focuses on discrimination against LGBT individuals. The rest, however, are either chapters of the Ku Klux Klan or white nationalist, anti-immigration, neo-Nazi, and neo-Confederate sympathizers. None of these groups have claimed affiliation with Roof as of yet—though Roof has been photographed wearing a jacket adorned with the flags of Apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), suggesting, at least, that he may have held some pretty traditional racist views.
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/what-white-supremacists-are-saying-online-about-the-south-carolina-church-shooting-618?utm_soruce=vicefbca
No ideology there. Just one crazy kid, that's all. Really nothing, to be honest. Move along now, nothing to see.
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I think this was planned out and the target was Clementa Pinckney. If he wanted to just kill a bunch of black people, he would've walked into that church a few hours earlier when it was packed with hundreds of people.
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If walking into a church and shooting 10 people because of their race isn't an act of terror to you, then you need to reevaluate your life.
This kid said he was there to "kill black people"
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An undated Facebook photograph of Roof shows him wearing a jacket with two patches. One is a pre-apartheid-era flag of South Africa, and the other is the flag for Rhodesia, the previously white-ruled country now called Zimbabwe.
Also, he was unable to purchase a firearm because of his criminal record ...so his dad bought him one for his 21st birthday.
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If walking into a church and shooting 10 people because of their race isn't an act of terror to you, then you need to reevaluate your life.
This kid said he was there to "kill black people"
I think there's a difference between terrorism and lunacy
I think terrorism is usually in support of some kind of misguided cause...
This kid just looks like he's butt freaking nuts. Like that kid who shot up the schools in Connecticut.
Some bonified lunatic psychopath who just let loose
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I think there's a difference between terrorism and lunacy
I think terrorism is usually in support of some kind of misguided cause...
This kid just looks like he's butt freaking nuts. Like that kid who shot up the schools in Connecticut.
Some bonified lunatic psychopath who just let loose
There's not much of a difference.
He said he wanted to kill black people, except he didn't use those exact words. What part of that don't you get?
This was all about race. How is that not a misguided cause? He's probably a little insane considering he went through with it, but this was planned out and premeditated. Roof targeted, attacked, and murdered a community of people inside of a church...because they were black.
If he was Muslim and did this to a predominantly white church, it'd be labeled as terrorism.
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There's not much of a difference.
He said he wanted to kill black people, except he didn't use those exact words. What part of that don't you get?
This was all about race. How is that not a misguided cause? He's probably a little insane considering he went through with it, but this was planned out and premeditated. Roof targeted, attacked, and murdered a community of people inside of a church...because they were black.
If he was Muslim and did this to a predominantly white church, it'd be labeled as terrorism.
He just looks like a psychopath.
I'm sure the experts will analyze the excrement out of this to determine if be was strictly racist, or a complete looney
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I'm sure the experts will analyze the excrement out of this to determine if be was strictly racist, or a complete looney
And they'll be wrong, just like you are. Some jackass on MSNBC said this was not racially motivated and it was faith-related. This is AFTER this motherfucking coward said he went to the church to kill blacks.
Watch whiteness work. The media will say he's crazy. The media will make excuses for him. This is a piece of excrement, racist terrorist that should not be breathing right now.
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Also, he was unable to purchase a firearm because of his criminal record ...so his dad bought him one for his 21st birthday.
Great decision, Dad.....
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Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in 2013:
This man, in my view, should be designated as a potential enemy combatant and we should be allowed to question him for intelligence gathering purposes to find out about future attacks and terrorist organizations that may exist that he has knowledge of, and that evidence cannot be used against him in trial. That evidence is used to protect us as a nation.
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on Dylann Rooff earlier today:
I just think he was one of these whacked out kids. I don’t think it’s anything broader than that. It’s about a young man who is obviously twisted.
Both are US citizens. Both committed hideous acts in the name of a fucked up ideology. Amazing that the responses would be so wildly different.
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Lindsey Graham is the worst
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Well, I just think that by calling it racially motivated terrorism you'll just invite potential revenge killings.
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This is the only state that still flies the Confederate flag over its statehouse.
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This is the only state that still flies the Confederate flag over its statehouse.
And one of five that has refused to enact hate crime legislation.
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Well, I just think that by calling it racially motivated terrorism you'll just invite potential revenge killings.
Or we'll just be calling it what it is.
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There's not much of a difference.
He said he wanted to kill black people, except he didn't use those exact words. What part of that don't you get?
This was all about race. How is that not a misguided cause? He's probably a little insane considering he went through with it, but this was planned out and premeditated. Roof targeted, attacked, and murdered a community of people inside of a church...because they were black.
If he was Muslim and did this to a predominantly white church, it'd be labeled as terrorism.
Exactly.
He just looks like a psychopath.
I'm sure the experts will analyze the excrement out of this to determine if be was strictly racist, or a complete looney
As opposed to all of those pictures of the 9/11 terrorists playing frisbee with their kids.
And they'll be wrong, just like you are. Some jackass on MSNBC said this was not racially motivated and it was faith-related. This is AFTER this motherfucking coward said he went to the church to kill blacks.
Watch whiteness work. The media will say he's crazy. The media will make excuses for him. This is a piece of excrement, racist terrorist that should not be breathing right now.
If that faith were Islam, suddenly it would be terrorism, but I'm sure they won't talk about that.
This is the only state that still flies the Confederate flag over its statehouse.
And flying it at half-staff today from what I understand.
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And flying it at half-staff today from what I understand.
Nope.
It's flying high. The American and state flag are at half-mast though.
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Well, I just think that by calling it racially motivated terrorism you'll just invite potential revenge killings.
So you're saying black people need to be told what racial hatred looks like? Do you think there's anyone who doesn't think it was racially motivated terrorism other than white people scared to admit it? The worst thing you can do is prompt some "[Political leader] doesn't care about black people" by downplaying the role race played in this.
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He just looks like a psychopath.
I'm sure the experts will analyze the excrement out of this to determine if be was strictly racist, or a complete looney
He has a dangerous ideology and likely fanaticism. You're describing every terrorist ever with those terms. Absolutely no one who perpetrated mass killings has a properly functioning mental state. Well, aside from the ones who do it in power.
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bonified
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And one of five that has refused to enact hate crime legislation.
I can't believe they're holding out after seeing how the other 45 states defeated racism.
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http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/writing-for-business/bona-fide-vs-bonified-surprise-bonified-is-a-word/
Bonified is a common misspelling for it — and one that attracts a lot of mockery — but it’s actually a word.
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bonerfied
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Nope.
It's flying high.
Are you serious? That makes me want to vomit.
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Are you serious? That makes me want to vomit.
It gets better than that. They couldn't fly it at half mast even if they wanted to.
http://gawker.com/every-s-c-statehouse-flag-is-at-half-staff-except-the-1712358244
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https://vid.me/e/8ZOz?card=1
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https://vid.me/e/8ZOz?card=1
"The Confederate flag flies high over South Carolina and the roads are named for Confederate generals, yet it's the white guy who feels his country is being taken away from him."
Sums up pretty well how us hoo-ha hippies see a few of you.
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So this piece of excrement that killed 4 US Marines in Chattanooga had already been labeled a domestic terrorist and certain news outlets are still trying to argue that Dylan Roof isn't one.
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It's mildly amusing to me that this thread was bumped instead of the Terrorists one.
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Terrorist Miscellanea
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It's mildly amusing to me that this thread was bumped instead of the Terrorists one.
My thoughts as well.
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My thoughts as well.
kill yourself
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kill yourself
Are you his bad coke guy?
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It's mildly amusing to me that this thread was bumped instead of the Terrorists one.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33562479
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33562479
But his name is Muhammed!
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But his name is Muhammed!
Terrorist
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apparently the kid got arrested for a DUI recently
the hypocrisy
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33562479
No link to ISIS - he's still a domestic terrorist by the definition used on Roof.
I'll fix the thread when I get home.
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No link to ISIS - he's still a domestic terrorist by the definition used on Roof.
I'll fix the thread when I get home.
One key difference. Attacks on the military are generally not considered terrorism, terrorism generally refers to attacks on civilian targets with the aim of inducing fear amongst the populace.
I'm not sure how this sort of event is classified. I don't know that you could really call it an act of war, or an act of resistance against an occupying force. It doesn't seem to really fit any of the existing labels that I'm aware of.
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One key difference. Attacks on the military are generally not considered terrorism, terrorism generally refers to attacks on civilian targets with the aim of inducing fear amongst the populace.
I'm not sure how this sort of event is classified. I don't know that you could really call it an act of war, or an act of resistance against an occupying force. It doesn't seem to really fit any of the existing labels that I'm aware of.
I'm genuinely curious now so I read up a little.
The targets don't necessarily need to be civilians, but can include non-combatants such as neutral military personnel.
The four victims include three "active duty" veterans assigned to the reserve center, of which two were Iraq vets (war officially ended in 2011) and an Afghanistan vet (conflict ongoing). The other victim was a reservist who had never been deployed.
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Meh. I don't care if someone calls it terrorism even if it was a military target (in name only). It obviously has an ideology behind it, and it was a freaking recruitment center in a strip mall. You could argue he was trying to scare people out of enlisting.
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Meh. I don't care if someone calls it terrorism even if it was a military target (in name only). It obviously has an ideology behind it, and it was a freaking recruitment center in a strip mall. You could argue he was trying to scare people out of enlisting.
Right.
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Are you his bad coke guy?
He is bad coke.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/us/louisiana-theater-shooting/index.html
god dammit
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Somebody got some shitty advice.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/Family-to-Pay-Price-for-Trying-to-Sue-Ammo-Dealers-320224111.html
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Somebody got some shitty advice.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/Family-to-Pay-Price-for-Trying-to-Sue-Ammo-Dealers-320224111.html
Oops.
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Why the freak would anyone think that would end well?
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Somebody got some shitty advice.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/Family-to-Pay-Price-for-Trying-to-Sue-Ammo-Dealers-320224111.html
Feel kinda bad for them because of what happened to them.
But I also wish this would happen to more people who bring forth frivolous and shitty freaking lawsuits
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Feel kinda bad for them because of what happened to them.
But I also wish this would happen to more people who bring forth frivolous and shitty freaking lawsuits
The lawsuit wasn't necessarily frivolous as much as it was freaking retarded, their lawyer should pay the entire bill for bad advice.
2 days in a row I agree with you, the space time continuum is imploding.
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http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/south-carolina-church-shooting-mother-player-surprised-by-yankees-081715
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http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/south-carolina-church-shooting-mother-player-surprised-by-yankees-081715
Throwing out the first pitch tonight.
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http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/south-carolina-church-shooting-mother-player-surprised-by-yankees-081715
That kid is incredibly impressive. His E:60 segment was great.
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KOMO News Verified account @komonews 17m17 minutes ago
BREAKING: Oregon State Police confirm 15 people killed in shooting at Umpqua Community College. #liveonkomo
http://abcnews.go.com/US/multiple-casualties-shooting-reported-college-oregon/story?id=34181664
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Lame. This is why we need armed response teams at every school, college, day care, and nursery in America.
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Lame. This is why we need armed response teams at every school, college, day care, and nursery in America.
Don't forget churches. And government offices. And movie theaters.
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I have a baseball bat.
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Living in NYC I've already long ago come to terms with the possibility that I could be murdered by a lunatic at any moment. It kind of frees your mind in a way. Terrorism and mass shootings don't really affect my daily routine, and it shouldn't.
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Living in NYC I've already long ago come to terms with the possibility that I could be murdered by a lunatic at any moment. It kind of frees your mind in a way. Terrorism and mass shootings don't really affect my daily routine, and it shouldn't.
what an odd thing to say
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Living in NYC I've already long ago come to terms with the possibility that I could be murdered by a lunatic at any moment. It kind of frees your mind in a way. Terrorism and mass shootings don't really affect my daily routine, and it shouldn't.
You can't account for it. It's simply impossible. I'm not sure why anyone thinks they'd be able to prevent something from happening with any certainty.
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You can't account for it. It's simply impossible. I'm not sure why anyone thinks they'd be able to prevent something from happening with any certainty.
I can see you never watched Person of Interest.
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I can see you never watched Person of Interest.
Minority Report would come in handy as well.
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Lame. This is why we need armed response teams at every school, college, day care, and nursery in America.
I don't think you're far off. I've been thinking about this today, and I think I have the answer. I've come to the conclusion that the problem is that not enough people are dying at the end of a gun in America.
Hear me out here.
If the American population were going to see the idiocy of their current gun control policies or lack thereof, they would have done so by now. Given there's clearly no way that the utter anachronism that is the Second Amendment is going to be repealed as we stand, the only way that America is going to come to its senses is to actually give the people who support the Second Amendment, which is everyone from the people who think that having a firearm in their house makes them safer, through the probably but not entirely harmless nutters who just love guns as their proxy cocks, to the NRA shills who recognise that fear makes money, exactly what they want.
Guns everywhere. Everyone having them. Schools, police stations, courts, hospitals, churches, high streets, Wal-Mart, the White House, everyone with guns everywhere. Everyone should have a gun. More firearms more more more. M.A.D. After all, it worked with the Russians. If everyone has a gun, no-one will open fire for fear of getting shot, right?
Do it. Open the floodgates and prove the theory right or wrong, once and for all.
(Just please, move to Canada if it happens. I don't want any of you to be part of the collateral damage.)
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I am tired of this excrement. I feel so bad for the victims.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Norway has a high rate of gun ownership and low rate of gun violence. Ditto for Switzerland. You cannot get rid of guns in this country. It's damn near an impossibility. What we need, then, is mandated training. If people want to argue for ownership for protection, they sure as hell shouldn't argue against becoming a smarter gun owner.
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Mass. Shootings
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Norway has a high rate of gun ownership and low rate of gun violence. Ditto for Switzerland. You cannot get rid of guns in this country. It's damn near an impossibility. What we need, then, is mandated training. If people want to argue for ownership for protection, they sure as hell shouldn't argue against becoming a smarter gun owner.
Actually it's really easy to fix the whole problem of gun ownership in America if you want to. Norway and Switzerland are really terrible arguments trotted out by the NRA, I'm a little surprised that you did.
Norway is a highly rural country with very restrictive gun laws, most guns owned are either hunting or sports weapons - single shot long barrel guns of small calibre, or shotguns. Auto and semi-auto weapons are almost completely illegal, and handguns are only allowed in a sporting context. You can't carry a loaded weapon in public, and there is no concept of a self defence weapon.
Switzerland has a huge gun ownership ratio due to the fact that they still have national service, and it's legal to keep your personal firearm after you have completed your service. The ownership ratio is still around half that of the US. Full auto is illegal in Switzerland, and in order to carry a loaded weapon outside of your home you need to have a specific permit that is only granted to people in specific security-related professions.
Your gun laws are insane, and trying to draw comparisons to other countries doesn't work. There is no comparison except maybe somewhere like Somalia, and they don't produce very good statistics.
Dear America, please be less idiot. For everyone's sake, especially your own.
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Dear America, please be less idiot. For everyone's sake, especially your own.
That would cause profits to to be less than last year. Can't help you.
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Maybe people should wait until we find out how he got his guns before getting on their soapboxes.
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Actually it's really easy to fix the whole problem of gun ownership in America if you want to. Norway and Switzerland are really terrible arguments trotted out by the NRA, I'm a little surprised that you did.
Norway is a highly rural country with very restrictive gun laws, most guns owned are either hunting or sports weapons - single shot long barrel guns of small calibre, or shotguns. Auto and semi-auto weapons are almost completely illegal, and handguns are only allowed in a sporting context. You can't carry a loaded weapon in public, and there is no concept of a self defence weapon.
Switzerland has a huge gun ownership ratio due to the fact that they still have national service, and it's legal to keep your personal firearm after you have completed your service. The ownership ratio is still around half that of the US. Full auto is illegal in Switzerland, and in order to carry a loaded weapon outside of your home you need to have a specific permit that is only granted to people in specific security-related professions.
Your gun laws are insane, and trying to draw comparisons to other countries doesn't work. There is no comparison except maybe somewhere like Somalia, and they don't produce very good statistics.
Dear America, please be less idiot. For everyone's sake, especially your own.
Fine. The countries I listed suck. I'll accept that. I don't accept your claim that it's "really easy to fix". I don't see any proposal for a solution in your post, so please tell me how we solve the issue. If it involves any sort of gun confiscation, though, you're already wrong.
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Maybe people should wait until we find out how he got his guns before getting on their soapboxes.
I got mine courtesy of Mims Fitness.
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Maybe people should wait until we find out how he got his guns before getting on their soapboxes.
Maybe he 3d printed them.
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Fine. The countries I listed suck. I'll accept that. I don't accept your claim that it's "really easy to fix". I don't see any proposal for a solution in your post, so please tell me how we solve the issue. If it involves any sort of gun confiscation, though, you're already wrong.
On my way out so don't really have time to go into depth, but essentially this:
1. Make it illegal to keep handguns in the home, with the very specific exception of those people who need them for their jobs. Your domestic weapon is far more likely to be used against your and your family than it is an intruder.
2. Handguns and any form of automatic or semi-automatic rifle currently in private ownership can still be owned, but they must be kept at licensed and secured gun clubs. If you want to pretend to be GI Joe, you may only do so under controlled circumstances. You go to your club, sign out your toy, make blasty holes in a bit of paper, hand your gun back, go home.
3. Should you not wish to join such a club, you may sell your existing weapons to the government for a fair price.
4. The purchase of new weapons must be done through your gun club and will be subject to you having a current license. Licenses must be obtained through the club, will require retesting every three years and an integral part will be a medical approval. There will be no more gun shops other than those inside club premises, and all firearms and ammunition purchases will be recorded and reported.
5. Single shot long guns used in hunting may be owned and kept in the home, under certain conditions. Assault rifles and pump action shotguns do not fall into this category.
6. Antique and collectors weapons may be kept in the home as long as they are deactivated. The ammunition may not.
7. The Second Amendment will be repealed. It's anachronistic, irrelevant and downright dangerous. Owning firearms should be a privilege, not a right. They don't protect you from a government run amok and they don't protect you from the boogeyman climbing through the window. It isn't the 18th century any more and it's ridiculous to try and preserve rules that were made in the day of muskets and flintlocks. If you don't like your government, vote them out. The ballot box is a far more effective weapon against them than an AR-15.
8. The penalties for owning a banned firearm will be extensive, with a first offense carrying a custodial sentence.
This isn't exhaustive and it isn't easy. The political clout to make it happen doesn't exist, even if some (but not enough) have the will. The commercial lobbies whose interests lie in selling military hardware to teenagers and nutters at the expense of your children's lives certainly wouldn't let it happen. Even if you could enact this, it wouldn't take all firearms out of people's houses and it wouldn't take illegal firearms off the streets. This isn't aimed at stopping gangbangers putting holes in each other, because that's an even more complicated scenario. It's designed to stop crazed idiots from waking up one morning and deciding that their "self defense" weapon is the ideal way to exact revenge on classmates or colleagues for whatever wrong they feel has been visited upon them.
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I got mine courtesy of Mims Fitness.
lmao
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Norway has a high rate of gun ownership and low rate of gun violence. Ditto for Switzerland. You cannot get rid of guns in this country. It's damn near an impossibility. What we need, then, is mandated training. If people want to argue for ownership for protection, they sure as hell shouldn't argue against becoming a smarter gun owner.
I don't most gun violence in this country is a result of a lack of proper training.
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I know Chris Rock was being facetious, but put a huge tax on bullets. Make them really expensive. If legal guns are expensive then the price of black market guns will skyrocket.
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On my way out so don't really have time to go into depth, but essentially this:
1. Make it illegal to keep handguns in the home, with the very specific exception of those people who need them for their jobs. Your domestic weapon is far more likely to be used against your and your family than it is an intruder.
2. Handguns and any form of automatic or semi-automatic rifle currently in private ownership can still be owned, but they must be kept at licensed and secured gun clubs. If you want to pretend to be GI Joe, you may only do so under controlled circumstances. You go to your club, sign out your toy, make blasty holes in a bit of paper, hand your gun back, go home.
3. Should you not wish to join such a club, you may sell your existing weapons to the government for a fair price.
4. The purchase of new weapons must be done through your gun club and will be subject to you having a current license. Licenses must be obtained through the club, will require retesting every three years and an integral part will be a medical approval. There will be no more gun shops other than those inside club premises, and all firearms and ammunition purchases will be recorded and reported.
5. Single shot long guns used in hunting may be owned and kept in the home, under certain conditions. Assault rifles and pump action shotguns do not fall into this category.
6. Antique and collectors weapons may be kept in the home as long as they are deactivated. The ammunition may not.
7. The Second Amendment will be repealed. It's anachronistic, irrelevant and downright dangerous. Owning firearms should be a privilege, not a right. They don't protect you from a government run amok and they don't protect you from the boogeyman climbing through the window. It isn't the 18th century any more and it's ridiculous to try and preserve rules that were made in the day of muskets and flintlocks. If you don't like your government, vote them out. The ballot box is a far more effective weapon against them than an AR-15.
8. The penalties for owning a banned firearm will be extensive, with a first offense carrying a custodial sentence.
This isn't exhaustive and it isn't easy. The political clout to make it happen doesn't exist, even if some (but not enough) have the will. The commercial lobbies whose interests lie in selling military hardware to teenagers and nutters at the expense of your children's lives certainly wouldn't let it happen. Even if you could enact this, it wouldn't take all firearms out of people's houses and it wouldn't take illegal firearms off the streets. This isn't aimed at stopping gangbangers putting holes in each other, because that's an even more complicated scenario. It's designed to stop crazed idiots from waking up one morning and deciding that their "self defense" weapon is the ideal way to exact revenge on classmates or colleagues for whatever wrong they feel has been visited upon them.
This is exactly what I meant when I challenged your assertion that it's "really easy to fix". Absolutely none of that is ever going to happen. The best you can hope for is a ban on fully automatic weapons as far as restriction of ownership. I deal with the reality of the situation. Improved licensing and training are the best we're going to do right now, and even that encounters a lot of opposition.
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I don't most gun violence in this country is a result of a lack of proper training.
Training includes responsible ownership and storage. Adam Lanza's mother didn't lock her guns up properly, and her son was able to swipe an arsenal out of her home. Issue licenses based on the completion of courses that teach responsible gun ownership and force people to think about the choices they make. Gun owners react the way they do to the fear that their guns are going to be stripped from them. I know people like that who would be VERY responsive to actually getting educated if the threat of gun confiscation were off the table.
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Training includes responsible ownership and storage. Adam Lanza's mother didn't lock her guns up properly, and her son was able to swipe an arsenal out of her home. Issue licenses based on the completion of courses that teach responsible gun ownership and force people to think about the choices they make. Gun owners react the way they do to the fear that their guns are going to be stripped from them. I know people like that who would be VERY responsive to actually getting educated if the threat of gun confiscation were off the table.
That's fine, but I wasn't just referring to mass shootings like this, but all gun violence. I'll bet the guns used to commit most of the murders in this country weren't obtained legally.
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I don't necessarily like the gun laws in this country but if anyone thinks it will be fixed or easy to fix, I have a bridge to sell you.
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The process to do it is easy. The will to implement that process is what's missing.
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The process to do it is easy. The will to implement that process is what's missing.
That's a rather important component. It would be easy for me to freak Alexandra Daddario if she wanted to. I sure wouldn't say it's an easy prospect.
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That's fine, but I wasn't just referring to mass shootings like this, but all gun violence. I'll bet the guns used to commit most of the murders in this country weren't obtained legally.
Sure, and most of the victims are criminals too. I'm talking about reducing what you can.
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I don't most gun violence in this country is a result of a lack of proper training.
The other part is the lack of mental health education in this country. Tell people not to be a hoo-ha and suck it up enough times usually results in harm to someone. Military guys seem to keep telling that story, and no one seems to listen.
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The other part is the lack of mental health education in this country. Tell people not to be a hoo-ha and suck it up enough times usually results in harm to someone. Military guys seem to keep telling that story, and no one seems to listen.
Nah, it's easier to just excrement on what we don't understand and assume people with mental illness just need to snap out of it and quit being little bitches.
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On my way out so don't really have time to go into depth, but essentially this:
1. Make it illegal to keep handguns in the home, with the very specific exception of those people who need them for their jobs. Your domestic weapon is far more likely to be used against your and your family than it is an intruder.
2. Handguns and any form of automatic or semi-automatic rifle currently in private ownership can still be owned, but they must be kept at licensed and secured gun clubs. If you want to pretend to be GI Joe, you may only do so under controlled circumstances. You go to your club, sign out your toy, make blasty holes in a bit of paper, hand your gun back, go home.
3. Should you not wish to join such a club, you may sell your existing weapons to the government for a fair price.
4. The purchase of new weapons must be done through your gun club and will be subject to you having a current license. Licenses must be obtained through the club, will require retesting every three years and an integral part will be a medical approval. There will be no more gun shops other than those inside club premises, and all firearms and ammunition purchases will be recorded and reported.
5. Single shot long guns used in hunting may be owned and kept in the home, under certain conditions. Assault rifles and pump action shotguns do not fall into this category.
6. Antique and collectors weapons may be kept in the home as long as they are deactivated. The ammunition may not.
7. The Second Amendment will be repealed. It's anachronistic, irrelevant and downright dangerous. Owning firearms should be a privilege, not a right. They don't protect you from a government run amok and they don't protect you from the boogeyman climbing through the window. It isn't the 18th century any more and it's ridiculous to try and preserve rules that were made in the day of muskets and flintlocks. If you don't like your government, vote them out. The ballot box is a far more effective weapon against them than an AR-15.
8. The penalties for owning a banned firearm will be extensive, with a first offense carrying a custodial sentence.
lol
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That's fine, but I wasn't just referring to mass shootings like this, but all gun violence. I'll bet the guns used to commit most of the murders in this country weren't obtained legally.
Not to mention the numbers from other forms of gun violence dwarf the casualties from mass shootings
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Not to mention the numbers from other forms of gun violence dwarf the casualties from mass shootings
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with mass shootings if the shooter simply put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger as the first thing he/she did.
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If I ever hear about the 2nd amendment again my head is going to freaking explode. You could have a musket for hunting and keeping the government from killing you. A freaking musket.
I'll solve this whole shitstorm now. Guns for Caaaash!
Not even kidding.
Make everyone an offer they cannot refuse. Take the money from the military budget. Apparently a sidearm costs them 500k anyway. Give said guns to the military. At the very least you get 75% of guns off the street.
Then just make new guns nearly impossible to buy, other than long barrel hunting rifles.
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If I ever hear about the 2nd amendment again my head is going to freaking explode. You could have a musket for hunting and keeping the government from killing you. A freaking musket.
I'll solve this whole shitstorm now. Guns for Caaaash!
Not even kidding.
Make everyone an offer they cannot refuse. Take the money from the military budget. Apparently a sidearm costs them 500k anyway. Give said guns to the military. At the very least you get 75% of guns off the street.
Then just make new guns nearly impossible to buy, other than long barrel hunting rifles.
They had guns for toys in NYC years ago during Xmas.
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If I ever hear about the 2nd amendment again my head is going to freaking explode. You could have a musket for hunting and keeping the government from killing you. A freaking musket.
I'll solve this whole shitstorm now. Guns for Caaaash!
Not even kidding.
Make everyone an offer they cannot refuse. Take the money from the military budget. Apparently a sidearm costs them 500k anyway. Give said guns to the military. At the very least you get 75% of guns off the street.
Then just make new guns nearly impossible to buy, other than long barrel hunting rifles.
You're head is going to explode haha. I agree the 2nd amendment is not strongly worded for the types of freedoms it is used to justify but that ship sailed long before we even entered the world.
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If I ever hear about the 2nd amendment again my head is going to freaking explode. You could have a musket for hunting and keeping the government from killing you. A freaking musket.
I'll solve this whole shitstorm now. Guns for Caaaash!
Not even kidding.
Make everyone an offer they cannot refuse. Take the money from the military budget. Apparently a sidearm costs them 500k anyway. Give said guns to the military. At the very least you get 75% of guns off the street.
Then just make new guns nearly impossible to buy, other than long barrel hunting rifles.
500k for a sidearm? What the freak are you talking about?
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500k for a sidearm? What the freak are you talking about?
I believe he's using hyperbole.
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500k for a sidearm? What the freak are you talking about?
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http://sbynews.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-500000-gun-and-17-of-other-coolest.html (http://sbynews.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-500000-gun-and-17-of-other-coolest.html)
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I believe he's using hyperbole.
I was hoping the whole thing was a joke.
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I was hoping the whole thing was a joke.
I have a 20k hammer if you need one.
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I have a 20k hammer if you need one.
http://www.govexec.com/federal-news/1998/12/the-myth-of-the-600-hammer/5271/
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Few things:
This fuckbag used legally purchased guns and had a stockpile of them. He was armed, had extra ammo, and body armor at the scene, and another cache was found at his home.
I just saw that the piece of excrement actually sought mental help. I didn't bother to read the story because freak him.
(Both of the above are via @BreakingNews on Twitter.)
I'm sick and tired of hearing bullshit that amounts to "you can't close Pandora's box." Guns are a problem. Yes, mental health issues need to be addressed too, but guns are a goddamned problem and it needs to be addressed. Strongly and definitively.
A buyback program through the government is fine with me. I'd happily allow my tax dollars to take automatic weapons away from common citizens. I don't want to hear any more about "responsible ownership" or other such nonsense. The time for "responsible ownership" is the ship that has sailed. Kids are being murdered. That's all I give a excrement about.
If you're still anti gun control then you're a terrorist sympathizer. That's not me joking. That's not me being hyperbolic. That's how I view you at this point. It's not the 1700s anymore. Hiding behind a law written centuries ago just so you can hang onto weapons capable of murdering groups of people in seconds is the epitome of cowardice.
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There are over 300 million guns in this country. While you can technically get a cheap shotgun for about $200, you're more realistically looking at most of those guns running in the $500-$1000 range. Then there's the ammo. What kind of pricing do you think would convince people to willingly hand over their guns? Let's say you can get people to, on average, turn in their guns for $700/each. I still think that's awfully low to convince people to do it, but that's ok. You're looking at $210 billion right there just to get the guns off the street plus God knows how much more for ammo. You're telling me that you think a bill asking for an additional $500 billion or so to buy guns and ammo would pass?
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Oh, and being opposed to gun control makes a person a terrorist sympathizer. LOL. That's not a reach or anything.
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There are over 300 million guns in this country. While you can technically get a cheap shotgun for about $200, you're more realistically looking at most of those guns running in the $500-$1000 range. Then there's the ammo. What kind of pricing do you think would convince people to willingly hand over their guns? Let's say you can get people to, on average, turn in their guns for $700/each. I still think that's awfully low to convince people to do it, but that's ok. You're looking at $210 billion right there just to get the guns off the street plus God knows how much more for ammo. You're telling me that you think a bill asking for an additional $500 billion or so to buy guns and ammo would pass?
He was too emotional and reactionary to see any of this.
It would be great if it was feasible, but like you've said over and over again in this thread and others...just too many guns in circulation.
The only recourse is more education and some type of restriction when it comes to mental health and firearms.
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I don't care what's considered "reasonable" anymore. It's unreasonable that weapons that have no purpose other than taking other human lives (and that's all automatic weapons are for) still have a place in this country; despite repeated mass murders. It's time to make them illegal.
I don't give a excrement that people wouldn't get "fair value" back for their guns. Offer them $100 for their cache. Don't like it? Tough excrement. If automatic firearms are illegal you can either take the $100 and STFU or the government can come take them "from your cold dead hands." I'm okay with either outcome. (And before someone says that's hypocritical: nope. Kids aren't asking for these guns to exist--but they're suffering the consequences of their existence.)
Is this an emotional response? You're goddamned right it is because enough is enough. Kids are dying because we have a section of the population that views ownership of weapons capable of instant multiple homicides as a right, and a special interest lobbying government to keep it that way.
And yes. You're a terrorist sympathizer. If you're refusing to look for ways to get murderous weapons out of the hands of people who would use them, you're just as bad as them. I don't give a excrement if you think that's ridiculous.
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AliotheFlanders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
So, let me get this straight. Kids are endangered by guns, so we should get rid of guns so no more kids have to die, but if people won't get rid of guns, the government should step in and kill them if necessary to take their guns, and if you don't agree with all of this, you clearly love terrorism? Did you donate to childhood cancer treatment this year? Because, you know, if you didn't then you're clearly a serial rapist.
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freak. I just realized I live in California and left the water running while I brushed my teeth today. I must be a climate change denier.
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Dude was unfit for the military.
I'm tired of the nut jobs.
30k+ killed every year from guns. Gotta change sooner or later.
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Maybe we could just tax the excrement out of registered guns and use the revenue to fund buy back programs?
At the very least we need legislation to limit the size of individual arsenals.
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Just make all guns pink and dick shaped.
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Maybe we could just tax the excrement out of registered guns and use the revenue to fund buy back programs?
At the very least we need legislation to limit the size of individual arsenals.
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this is the point in the conversation where someone usually jumps in and says:
"the only solution to this problem is more guns."
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Are guns easier to get now than they were 30 years ago? Why haven't there been many cases of murderous rampages back then? And why does it seem like it's getting worse?
There has to be another explanation. And it's not like crazies didn't exist more than 30 years ago either. So what gives? What makes this generation different?
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Are guns easier to get now than they were 30 years ago? Why haven't there been many cases of murderous rampages back then? And why does it seem like it's getting worse?
There has to be another explanation. And it's not like crazies didn't exist more than 30 years ago either. So what gives? What makes this generation different?
It's objectively more difficult now than it was 30-40 years ago.
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It's objectively more difficult now than it was 30-40 years ago.
Which makes me wonder what's really going on. Most of these shooters were young, too. And I'm just talking about mass shootings. There have always been senseless acts of murder, and that was more frequent back in the day. But mass shootings like these involving young shooters? Seems like a recent phenomenon. Just wondering if theres something particular about our society today that breeds these kinds of killers.
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Are guns easier to get now than they were 30 years ago? Why haven't there been many cases of murderous rampages back then? And why does it seem like it's getting worse?
There has to be another explanation. And it's not like crazies didn't exist more than 30 years ago either. So what gives? What makes this generation different?
"Crazies" didn't have a worldwide audience at their fingertips. I'm not suggesting these are people who rationally decided this was their way to get famous. I'm suggesting that disaffected and neglected people with severe derangement and cognitive dissonance see this as a way to act upon their frustration and gather attention. The trouble is that we look at it and say "Wow what a freaking evil poopchute, killing people just because he's sad and wants to get famous." We should look at it and say "Wow, what a sick freaking poopchute, killing people because his freaking mind is a disease. freak him. freak what he did. Now how can we limit it from happening again?" We feel like acknowledging the mental disease somehow excuses what they did. It doesn't. It's just much more proactive to recognize mental illness and irrational thought as contributing factors and try to address them.
This guy is a freaking scumbag for what he did. There's just a chance that changing the discussion could help someone else from doing this excrement.
Also, look up the UT Austin killer. I can't remember his name, but that's a freaking case study right there.
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Which makes me wonder what's really going on. Most of these shooters were young, too. And I'm just talking about mass shootings. There have always been senseless acts of murder, and that was more frequent back in the day. But mass shootings like these involving young shooters? Seems like a recent phenomenon. Just wondering if theres something particular about our society today that breeds these kinds of killers.
I think there's serious merit to the argument that we shouldn't broadcast names and faces of these people. It isn't the motivation, but it can certainly appear a viable outlet for someone who is fucked in the head.
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First off, I just lost a parent to cancer a month ago for the second time, so please don't assume to know anything about me. (Yeah, I donate to cancer research, because I want an answer to the problem--just like I want an answer to the mass murder problem.)
Anyway, I've often said mental health in this country needs to be addressed. It's a huge problem and too often we treat mental health as something that the person suffering "should just get over."
But we're also a country full of people who don't want to have publicly funded health care. Telling people they should spend whatever meager means they have on an issue they can't see (as opposed to paying the rent or preventing their stomach from growling) isn't particularly helpful.
All of that said, it's still time to do something about the number of guns both in civilian hands today, and those that will be someday. The idea that "well they're already out there so there's nothing we can do" actually leads me back to cancer. It's akin to saying "Well, there are hundreds of forms of cancer, and we'll never be able to cure them all, so it's time to stop worrying about a cure and just worry about treating future cases."
While legal acquisition of firearms is objectively harder today than decades past, illegal acquisition is not. So what is anyone supposed to do about that? Make guns less profitable to produce and sell. Even illegal firearms were produced legally to begin with.
We're not just making it easier for the black market to trade in firearms either. The large-scale production of military-grade weapons is increasing the militarization of police departments as well--and we'll certainly have that discussion again in another thread.
To set the record straight, I wasn't advocating the government walk into people's homes who refuse to comply with stricter gun laws and execute them. "Pry them from my cold dead hands" is famous enough to stand on its own and doesn't need further clarification.
The argument that citizens have the right to military-grade weaponry because it's equal to what the government has (and therefore fulfills the intent of the Second Amendment) is laughable at best. How many people who own an M-16 also own an F-16? If the government is going to attack you, you're not going to win. Hell, they can do it completely unmanned.
The time for respectful discussion of the topic is gone. Guns kill people. People kill people. With guns. Radical change is necessary, whether you like it or not.
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One thing that always gets me about the people who want guns to protect themselves from "the government" tend to be the biggest supporters of the military. If their fear ever comes true it's going to be those same troops coming to get them.
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One thing that always gets me about the people who want guns to protect themselves from "the government" tend to be the biggest supporters of the military. If their fear ever comes true it's going to be those same troops coming to get them.
Yeah, and like I said, if the government were ever to actually "come after you" they could roll tanks into your town, or just carpet bomb it, or send unmanned drones. No civilian group would stand a chance against them.
The only thing that stops us from instant wins over in the middle east is the backlash that comes from civilian deaths. Otherwise we'd just level entire areas on the map and call it a day. If the US government were to decide to forcibly take land/lives from its citizens it would no longer be worrying about civilian casualty backlash.
The reality is, the whole "protect ourselves from the government" is just one more excuse to justify ownership of assault rifles. Because honestly, there is nothing useful about them other than taking human life (or using them as toys for target practice) and you can't reasonably say that.
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First off, I just lost a parent to cancer a month ago for the second time, so please don't assume to know anything about me. (Yeah, I donate to cancer research, because I want an answer to the problem--just like I want an answer to the mass murder problem.)
Well, I know something now. You're not a serial rapist. Thank God for that.
Anyway, I've often said mental health in this country needs to be addressed. It's a huge problem and too often we treat mental health as something that the person suffering "should just get over."
That's awesome. Because if you don't support addressing mental health, you're a child abuser. It's a very complicated system of figuring out what support means. Don't worry, I have a hard time keeping up too. The whole no gun confiscation means you love terrorists one was new to me, but in light of these other ones, it totally makes sense.
But we're also a country full of people who don't want to have publicly funded health care. Telling people they should spend whatever meager means they have on an issue they can't see (as opposed to paying the rent or preventing their stomach from growling) isn't particularly helpful.
Yeah, thinking you missed the point there. If you look straight up, you may be able to see it flying by.
All of that said, it's still time to do something about the number of guns both in civilian hands today, and those that will be someday. The idea that "well they're already out there so there's nothing we can do" actually leads me back to cancer. It's akin to saying "Well, there are hundreds of forms of cancer, and we'll never be able to cure them all, so it's time to stop worrying about a cure and just worry about treating future cases."
That's actually an absolutely terrible analogy. You don't have every cancer patient in America actually fighting to keep their cancer. Cancer treatment doesn't involve attacking the cancer lobby and cancer manufacturers and all of the attendant anti-capitalist arguments.
A better comparison would be to tobacco. Hell, they're even mingled up in the same lobby and the same bureau. Of course, we didn't make cigarettes illegal. We absolutely diminished their usage, though. And how? Slapped a big label on them saying that they'll kill you (totally fine by me with regard to guns), taxed the hell out of them (again something I fully support), eliminated advertising in most publications (which you already can't do), and in a lot of places outlawed using them in bars, restaurants, and public areas (which again, already mercifully is the case with guns). Again, though, didn't walk into people's homes and take them away while they tried to fight it. Do you want even more violence? Because that's how you get even more violence.
While legal acquisition of firearms is objectively harder today than decades past, illegal acquisition is not. So what is anyone supposed to do about that? Make guns less profitable to produce and sell. Even illegal firearms were produced legally to begin with.
Great. Tax the hell out of them and make them less profitable. That's certainly a valid option. Of course, you have to accept the fact that illegal sales of guns will skyrocket, and even the states with licensing will now have massively increased numbers of unlicensed weaponry. As was mentioned earlier, the best hope is to make bullets unprofitable. Limiting the influx of guns does little. With proper maintenance, a gun can last nearly forever. Limit the influx of bullets, though, and people become more selective about how they use those guns. Unlike guns, you can't just reload a bullet.
We're not just making it easier for the black market to trade in firearms either. The large-scale production of military-grade weapons is increasing the militarization of police departments as well--and we'll certainly have that discussion again in another thread.
To set the record straight, I wasn't advocating the government walk into people's homes who refuse to comply with stricter gun laws and execute them. "Pry them from my cold dead hands" is famous enough to stand on its own and doesn't need further clarification.
Then you underestimate the number of people who would absolutely fight tooth and nail to keep their guns. It's not just a phrase for a lot of people, so insisting that you're perfectly fine with law enforcement to take them up on the offer means you're ready to condemn not just those people to the possibility of death but a lot of law enforcement as well. I guess you're just a cop-killer sympathizer. You know how police departments and such will combat that? That's right, more military grade weapons.
The argument that citizens have the right to military-grade weaponry because it's equal to what the government has (and therefore fulfills the intent of the Second Amendment) is laughable at best. How many people who own an M-16 also own an F-16? If the government is going to attack you, you're not going to win. Hell, they can do it completely unmanned.
The time for respectful discussion of the topic is gone. Guns kill people. People kill people. With guns. Radical change is necessary, whether you like it or not.
I'm pretty sure I never said that military grade weaponry is ok by me, but seeing as the rest of this post flies off in unforeseen directions, I'll just let that one go.
Yes, the self-defense argument against the government is absurd. A well-regulated militia stood a chance (obviously) against an oppressive government in 1791. It absolutely does not now.
Radical change is necessary? The radical change you were talking about simply isn't feasible, whether you like it or not. I'm not a gun owner. I'm just pragmatic enough to recognize what's possible. Both sides are absurd. Those who think any gun legislation is unacceptable are fools. Those who think we can seize all guns are naive. Those who would call people "terrorist sympathizers" for having a levelheaded opinion? I don't even have a word for it.
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^Without the unnecessary sarcasm, I don't think we're too far off.
First off, I don't disagree with what you're saying, but you're artificially inserting yourself into a category I'm not placing you in. You're flat out saying you want to look for ways to reform gun control--the exact opposite of the people I was saying I'm now going to refer to as "terrorist sympathizers."
I'm tired of consistently having to say here that I am not an "everything is black and white and here's the answer to everything" type of person. I'm a "throw a lot of excrement at the wall until something sticks" type. You can knock the words I used there, whatever, I'm simply saying that I'd rather talk about any answer than just say "it's too complicated to fix"--and that goes for any topic: guns, the school system, systemic racism, healthcare, the Jets, whatever.
I went back to see exactly what I wrote to see if there was some reason you should have taken so much direct offense. Here's what I said:
If you're still anti gun control then you're a terrorist sympathizer. That's not me joking. That's not me being hyperbolic. That's how I view you at this point. It's not the 1700s anymore. Hiding behind a law written centuries ago just so you can hang onto weapons capable of murdering groups of people in seconds is the epitome of cowardice.
Are you anti gun control Iggy? It doesn't appear so. You seem to want to find answers other than "it's not fixable." So why are you taking such personal offense to what I said? I do make a conscious effort to not hide meaning behind my words. When I write something, the vast majority of the time I'm saying exactly what I mean with little to nothing inferred behind it.
FTR, I don't find fault with the "make bullets prohibitively expensive" except that while it will deter some people from buying them, those who are suicidal and planning a homicidal spree aren't really going to care about spending every last dime on ammunition. But it is an answer.
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I'm taking offense because a lot of the people I know who are anti gun control also fought against terrorism while you were sitting on your derriere playing Batman at home. Calling them terrorist sympathizers is disgustingly inappropriate, including from a purely logical standpoint.
I'm also opposed to the type of gun control you're advocating on the basis of sheer pragmatism.
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Also, how are those who are suicidal and planning to go on a homicidal spree going to be deterred by any feasible type of gun control?
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I'm not getting into a juncian "I know someone who fought for this country and this is what they believe" nonsense argument with you. Jesus.
As for the suicidal-homicidal situation, do you think there are only people with those mental issues in the United States? Because it doesn't happen in other civilized nations the way it does here. Why is that?
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Also, how are those who are suicidal and planning to go on a homicidal spree going to be deterred by any feasible type of gun control?
Just create gun free zones. Problem solved.
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I'm not getting into a juncian "I know someone who fought for this country and this is what they believe" nonsense argument with you. Jesus.
You're the one who said everyone opposed to gun control is a terrorist sympathizer. There are a ton of ex-military who are opposed to gun control, along with a lot of other military supporters. It was a stupid comment and you've never owned up to how stupid it was. Your failure to do so is the juncian part of this whole thing.
As for the suicidal-homicidal situation, do you think there are only people with those mental issues in the United States? Because it doesn't happen in other civilized nations the way it does here. Why is that?
That's another flawed tangent.
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You're the one who said everyone opposed to gun control is a terrorist sympathizer. There are a ton of ex-military who are opposed to gun control, along with a lot of other military supporters. It was a stupid comment and you've never owned up to how stupid it was. Your failure to do so is the juncian part of this whole thing.
That's another flawed tangent.
The only thing I'll "own up to" is that I should have initially phrased it "I will from now on view anyone who is anti-gun-control-reform as a terrorist sympathizer." I'm sure you'll still take issue with that, and frankly, I couldn't possibly care less. It seems honest discussion has never actually been on the table, so at this point, I don't care about the feelings of people who prioritize their right to hold onto tools designed for the specific purpose of taking human lives over the lives of children.
I have zero tolerance for people who don't want to do whatever possible to stop children from being shot. If that's the thing that makes me an awful person, or viewed as somehow unreasonable, well, too freaking bad.
I'm not anti-gun. I have argued in the past that responsible ownership and addressing mental health is critical to solving the problem. The problem is: no one wants to do a goddamned thing. When you can count mass school shootings by the dozen, the time for calm discussion is over. The opportunity for "reasonable" reform was after Columbine, or Sandy Hook, or the movie theater, or the church.
I love how other nations with stricter control is a "flawed tangent." Why? Because those citizens didn't already have guns? Okay. Why did crimes in NYC decrease with the tightening of gun laws in the city? Too small a sample? Or are you going to side with the NRA's argument that crime has been decreasing across the board while gun ownership has risen? Because that's a flawed argument. Some farmer in Nebraska buying a gun has no bearing on crime in NYC.
Whatever. This isn't a discussion. It's a fundamental argument and there isn't much room in either of ours for agreement. You can have the last word but I'm done discussing this, at least until this excrement happens again.
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The only thing I'll "own up to" is that I should have initially phrased it "I will from now on view anyone who is anti-gun-control-reform as a terrorist sympathizer." I'm sure you'll still take issue with that, and frankly, I couldn't possibly care less. It seems honest discussion has never actually been on the table, so at this point, I don't care about the feelings of people who prioritize their right to hold onto tools designed for the specific purpose of taking human lives over the lives of children.
I have zero tolerance for people who don't want to do whatever possible to stop children from being shot. If that's the thing that makes me an awful person, or viewed as somehow unreasonable, well, too freaking bad.
I'm not anti-gun. I have argued in the past that responsible ownership and addressing mental health is critical to solving the problem. The problem is: no one wants to do a goddamned thing. When you can count mass school shootings by the dozen, the time for calm discussion is over. The opportunity for "reasonable" reform was after Columbine, or Sandy Hook, or the movie theater, or the church.
I love how other nations with stricter control is a "flawed tangent." Why? Because those citizens didn't already have guns? Okay. Why did crimes in NYC decrease with the tightening of gun laws in the city? Too small a sample? Or are you going to side with the NRA's argument that crime has been decreasing across the board while gun ownership has risen? Because that's a flawed argument. Some farmer in Nebraska buying a gun has no bearing on crime in NYC.
Whatever. This isn't a discussion. It's a fundamental argument and there isn't much room in either of ours for agreement. You can have the last word but I'm done discussing this, at least until this excrement happens again.
You're just doing what most idealists do. Take an issue, say that something must be done, and attack anyone who wants to take a more measured approach.
"Racism is bad! Mandatory jail time for using the N word."
"How will that solve anything?"
"Shut up, racist."
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You're just doing what most idealists do. Take an issue, say that something must be done, and attack anyone who wants to take a more measured approach.
"Racism is bad! Mandatory jail time for using the N word."
"How will that solve anything?"
"Shut up, racist."
I'd have been fine with a measured approach if one had ever been actually, you know, attempted. But every time one of these incidents happens, it's "Don't use a tragedy to get on your soapbox" and it gets swept under the rug until it happens again. And again. And then again.
This is why I'm beating the drum for radical change. Because at some point, someone has to do something. And if it's progressive changes to shut up people like me demanding radical changes, then I get what I actually want, which is something rather than nothing.
FTR, I didn't attack people who wanted to take a measured approach. I specifically targeted people who are anti gun control reform. "Anti" is a very specific designation.
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I'd have been fine with a measured approach if one had ever been actually, you know, attempted. But every time one of these incidents happens, it's "Don't use a tragedy to get on your soapbox" and it gets swept under the rug until it happens again. And again. And then again.
This is why I'm beating the drum for radical change. Because at some point, someone has to do something. And if it's progressive changes to shut up people like me demanding radical changes, then I get what I actually want, which is something rather than nothing.
FTR, I didn't attack people who wanted to take a measured approach. I specifically targeted people who are anti gun control reform. "Anti" is a very specific designation.
Ok, but the people who are completely anti-gun control view positions like yours as the reason why they don't want to give any ground. Measured change isn't happening because each side is terrified that the other will get something it wants. The other side is saying "ZERO GUN CONTROL" because they're terrified the government will listen to people like you and try to take their weapons entirely. If you can't see that, it's because you're too wrapped up in the other side. Do you really believe it's not possible that people on the other side are saying the same thing?
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addressing mental health is critical to solving the problem.
I have a bit of an issue with this. I don't see a huge difference between the Oregon or Charleston shootings and any other terrorist attack. They're ideologically motivated, an ideology being promoted by various sections of the media and scarily large sections of society. I don't know that it's necessarily right to describe an ideologically motivated killer as being mentally ill; their main aim is to strike back at sections of society they feel have wronged them and that are opposed to their ideology, and to strike fear into others. That's terrorism.
The guy in Aurora was indiscriminate and perhaps better suited to the mental illness discussion, Oregon and Charleston were specific types of individual. There's a whole different conversation to be had here and the media is at the core of it, it isn't on the outside looking in.
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The only thing I'll "own up to" is that I should have initially phrased it "I will from now on view anyone who is anti-gun-control-reform as a terrorist sympathizer." I'm sure you'll still take issue with that, and frankly, I couldn't possibly care less. It seems honest discussion has never actually been on the table, so at this point, I don't care about the feelings of people who prioritize their right to hold onto tools designed for the specific purpose of taking human lives over the lives of children.
I have zero tolerance for people who don't want to do whatever possible to stop children from being shot. If that's the thing that makes me an awful person, or viewed as somehow unreasonable, well, too freaking bad.
As long as you agree that it's ok for pro-lifers to call people child-hating murderers for allowing abortion. As I said, some of the biggest anti-gun control people I know actually fought terrorists. You're just behaving like a child who doesn't understand the world isn't comprised of absolutes. There is a very obvious personal argument I could use to illustrate how silly that line of reasoning is, but I'm not going to counter your bullshit with a personal attack.
I'm not anti-gun. I have argued in the past that responsible ownership and addressing mental health is critical to solving the problem. The problem is: no one wants to do a goddamned thing. When you can count mass school shootings by the dozen, the time for calm discussion is over. The opportunity for "reasonable" reform was after Columbine, or Sandy Hook, or the movie theater, or the church.
I love how other nations with stricter control is a "flawed tangent." Why? Because those citizens didn't already have guns? Okay. Why did crimes in NYC decrease with the tightening of gun laws in the city? Too small a sample? Or are you going to side with the NRA's argument that crime has been decreasing across the board while gun ownership has risen? Because that's a flawed argument. Some farmer in Nebraska buying a gun has no bearing on crime in NYC.
Whatever. This isn't a discussion. It's a fundamental argument and there isn't much room in either of ours for agreement. You can have the last word but I'm done discussing this, at least until this excrement happens again.
Yes. That's exactly why. Because they never had more guns than people in those countries. It's absolutely impossible for us to reach the point they're at. That's why it's a shitty comparison. The rest of the paragraph is just silly and arbitrary. You suddenly launched from murder-suicides in other countries to all crime in New York to the NRA and Nebraska. It's like you're having a stroke.
And I'll gladly take the last word. That word is: moist.
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I have a bit of an issue with this. I don't see a huge difference between the Oregon or Charleston shootings and any other terrorist attack. They're ideologically motivated, an ideology being promoted by various sections of the media and scarily large sections of society. I don't know that it's necessarily right to describe an ideologically motivated killer as being mentally ill; their main aim is to strike back at sections of society they feel have wronged them and that are opposed to their ideology, and to strike fear into others. That's terrorism.
The guy in Aurora was indiscriminate and perhaps better suited to the mental illness discussion, Oregon and Charleston were specific types of individual. There's a whole different conversation to be had here and the media is at the core of it, it isn't on the outside looking in.
I don't disagree with you on the shootings = terrorism opinion at all. It's where I got the whole "I'll view any anti-reform as terrorist sympathizing" thing in the first place.
I see no difference between a shitbag with an automatic rifle walking into a school and shooting kids in America, and a shitbag with a bomb strapped to his chest walking into a crowded market in Israel.
I do agree with the argument that addressing mental health in the United States is an important step in fixing the problem though. I haven't kept up-to-date with the most recent details, but this guy last week--last I saw at least--pursued psychiatric help and didn't get it.
I discussed addressing the bullying epidemic back as far as TGG. A lot of the problem in America is the whole cowboy culture. Everyone is expected to be mentally tough and that's just not the case. (The cowboy attitude doesn't help with the gun situation itself either.)
There isn't a single answer to the question. It's a multifaceted problem. My biggest issue is that no matter which angle anyone believes is most important to tackle first, no one is addressing anything, and I'm sick of that.
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God damnit
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God damnit
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Story still developing.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html
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Honestly, what the freak do we do to stop this
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Honestly, what the freak do we do to stop this
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Pretty much this, I hope you know the movie:
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I'm watching the news. It sounds like they've had a couple of sightings of POSSIBLE getaway cars, but the cops haven't been able to find any of them. I don't see how they're going to catch these guys unless they decide they really want everyone to know who they are. San Bernardino is a pooper filled with idiots, so it's definitely possible.
There's also a guy on now (police haven't allowed witnesses to speak to the news) who normally works in the building. It's not just disabled services, there are other offices. His daughter also works for another department and was present and hiding in the bathroom. The shooting took place at a Christmas party or just outside.
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Honestly, what the freak do we do to stop this
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If the disabled services center actually was the target, we need to work with gun manufacturers to develop some new, easy to use weaponry that will make it easier to arm the developmentally disabled.
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If the disabled services center actually was the target, we need to work with gun manufacturers to develop some new, easy to use weaponry that will make it easier to arm the developmentally disabled.
Just attach laser beams to their foreheads.
worked for dr.evil
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I read where they have the name of at least one shooting suspect.
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I read where they have the name of at least one shooting suspect.
Really? They didn't say that on here. That would be awesome if true.
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Really? They didn't say that on here. That would be awesome if true.
It was definitely on Yahoo but it looks like they took that down.
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I found a partial, they said in stronger terms that they had a name:
According to radio traffic, law enforcement may have sought information on one of the gunmen last week. Officers at the scene have been sharing a possible suspect name.
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Less exciting, but hopefully it pans out.
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If it's 3 gunmen then we can rule disgruntled employee out. Also, why the camo? All camp does is make it easier for people to spot you.
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Cortana is telling me 12 fatalities, disabled center christmas party, 3 attackers with rifles in body armor, black suv getaway car.
These are some seriously sick fucks. When was the last time we had a coordinated attack like this? I can only think of lone gunmen in recent years.
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Cortana is telling me 12 fatalities, disabled center christmas party, 3 attackers with rifles in body armor, black suv getaway car.
These are some seriously sick fucks. When was the last time we had a coordinated attack like this? I can only think of lone gunmen in recent years.
That's sort of why I'm thinking ISIS related. Nothing will strike fear into people more than knowing that they aren't even safe at a fuckn' Christmas party in a community center.
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So ISIS came into a center for the mentally impaired to foment panic and fear? ok
I think I will wait on ISIS confirmation for that.
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So ISIS came into a center for the mentally impaired to foment panic and fear? ok
I think I will wait on ISIS confirmation for that.
ISIS sympathizers maybe? These people don't give a freak who the targets are, as long as they're civilians.
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ISIS sympathizers maybe? These people don't give a freak who the targets are, as long as they're civilians.
Dude. If they were wearing camo they were obviously white.
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ISIS sympathizers maybe? These people don't give a freak who the targets are, as long as they're civilians.
If ISIS is coordinating attacks in a pooper like San Bernardino, the armpit of Southern California, we are all fucked.
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If ISIS is coordinating attacks in a pooper like San Bernardino, the armpit of Southern California, we are all fucked.
The good old 909. Thanked for it's existence by all morning DJ's in LA area.
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If ISIS is involved and in Cali...do something useful like target the Kardashians.
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Two suspects killed, one in custody.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a40149/mass-shooting-san-bernardino-california/
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The good old 909. Thanked for it's existence by all morning DJ's in LA area.
It's not even the part of the 909 that's considered safe and normal, either. People get shot in San Bernardino all the time. It's hardly the place to send a message if you want people to feel like they can't be safe any more. If you want to feel safe, you don't live in San Bernardino.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html
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Well now. I wonder what the motive was.
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Maybe you should wait till it's verified by a valid source before finger wagging.
How many people thought the Sandy Hook killer was actually his hipster brother because law enforcement fucked up the ID? I know i did.
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Maybe you should wait till it's verified by a valid source before finger wagging.
How many people thought the Sandy Hook killer was actually his hipster brother because law enforcement fucked up the ID? I know i did.
Tommy just desperately wants the shooters to be anything but white.
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Tommy just desperately wants the shooters to be anything but white.
pretty much.
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Tommy just desperately wants the shooters to be anything but white.
So do I, just to see all the back pedaling.
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So do I, just to see all the back pedaling.
The fact that I was initially told "it looks like another Planned Parenthood shooting" makes it obvious people on both sides have their hopes for what the shooter looks like.
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Well now. I wonder what the motive was.
I do too. There have been reports that the Christmas party was being held by the San Bernardino Department of Public Health. There's apparently a Syed Farook who works for the Department of Health. Nobody can figure out if it's the same guy, and there are conflicting reports about who this one is/was and whether he was involved. It's all so crazy right now. I really want to know what the motivation was.
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This is crazy. Could be a workplace dispute according to his co-workers. His dad says he's super religious, so it could be related to Islamic extremism. Could be a combination. All we know is the guy was born and raised here and worked for the county.
http://heavy.com/news/2015/12/syed-sayeed-farouk-farook-inland-regional-center-san-bernardino-shooting-suspect-gunman-name-identified-redlands-age-motive-photos-social-media-family-facebook-video-chase-shot-killed-dead/
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BTW, on the Planned Parenthood shooting, why the freak are we now debating whether it's a mental health issue or domestic terrorism? It's obviously both. Crazy sociopath living in the middle of nowhere feeds on right wing rhetoric and the combo pushes him to shoot up an abortion clinic. Seems pretty straightforward, or at least as straightforward as that could be.
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BTW, on the Planned Parenthood shooting, why the freak are we now debating whether it's a mental health issue or domestic terrorism? It's obviously both. Crazy sociopath living in the middle of nowhere feeds on right wing rhetoric and the combo pushes him to shoot up an abortion clinic. Seems pretty straightforward, or at least as straightforward as that could be.
Same excrement was talked about after Dylann Roof walked into a church in Charleston and killed 9 people.
It's absurd. Too many people are making excuses for these pieces of excrement. Just call them what they are.
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Same excrement was talked about after Dylann Roof walked into a church in Charleston and killed 9 people.
It's absurd. Too many people are making excuses for these pieces of excrement. Just call them what they are.
That's another problem. When you call mental illness a contributing factor, it can prompt a discussion that we need to have about how to better deal with it. That's a discussion that's relevant to so much, though, and much more nuanced than the discussion that gets had after a shooting.
When you call mental illness the cause, it rubs people the wrong way because it seems like you're excusing the behavior. That's a very dangerous path, and it's the wrong one. Mental illness so rarely results in extreme and dangerous antisocial behavior, and this idea that shootings are the great boogeyman of mental disease just makes it less likely people want to address their issues and seek help. It just stigmatizes it more.
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Yeah I just cracked open a 6 pack knowing this guy has a Muslim name. It's a great day, freaking wonderful let's celebrate.
I am watching the shooters family on t.v., they're saying death to America and screaming cursing and showing zero remorse, freaking heathens, sociopaths.
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That's another problem. When you call mental illness a contributing factor, it can prompt a discussion that we need to have about how to better deal with it. That's a discussion that's relevant to so much, though, and much more nuanced than the discussion that gets had after a shooting.
When you call mental illness the cause, it rubs people the wrong way because it seems like you're excusing the behavior. That's a very dangerous path, and it's the wrong one. Mental illness so rarely results in extreme and dangerous antisocial behavior, and this idea that shootings are the great boogeyman of mental disease just makes it less likely people want to address their issues and seek help. It just stigmatizes it more.
It's really really annoying when people can't tell the difference between explanation and excuses.
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The fact that I was initially told "it looks like another Planned Parenthood shooting" makes it obvious people on both sides have their hopes for what the shooter looks like.
In fairness, that was being reported by the news early on.
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It's really really annoying when people can't tell the difference between explanation and excuses.
I don't understand why jihadists killing in the name of a sky fairy aren't ever explained as having mental health issues though.
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I don't understand why jihadists killing in the name of a sky fairy aren't ever explained as having mental health issues though.
Pretty much every rational thinking poster here knows this.
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I don't understand why jihadists killing in the name of a sky fairy aren't ever explained as having mental health issues though.
Probably because religion preys upon very natural human mental processes. Our brains are wired for God. Exploit that and it's insanely powerful. It's not the religion per se that is making people kill. It's the way the religion is used. It's the medium. Do it right and any religion can be used to get people to kill. Especially the Abrahamic ones. The combination of one of those religions, a violent and self righteous interpretation, and a generally shitty state of life that can in part be blamed on Western civilization? That's a powerful reason for them to kill.
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Even if it's not islam related, I would love to see people stop Fuckn talking about domestic terrorism as if it's a white thing. Wasn't one of the deadliest mass shootings committed by an Asian American? A coworker of mine (bleeding heart liberal) almost sounded giddy about the possibility that it might be a right wing extremist. Full disclosure I was hoping it was ISIS. Whatever. They're all assholes.
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I was actually just hoping that this excrement would stop happening.
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I hope the killer is a black lesbian. I'd be so confused.
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Even if it's not islam related, I would love to see people stop Fuckn talking about domestic terrorism as if it's a white thing. Wasn't one of the deadliest mass shootings committed by an Asian American? A coworker of mine (bleeding heart liberal) almost sounded giddy about the possibility that it might be a right wing extremist. Full disclosure I was hoping it was ISIS. Whatever. They're all assholes.
Wow. Where to start? I guess with the biggest issue.
Why the crap would you want ISIS starting to run attacks in random towns in America? An isolated shooter is bad enough. If ISIS starts sending shooters, we're talking about a wave of coordinated attacks like this. I don't get why anyone would wish for that.
Domestic terrorism isn't exclusively a white thing. It's a mental illness/extreme belief/easy gun access thing. It just so happens that the majority of domestic terrorist activity is carried out by white people. As for dismissing that because of one Asian shooter, a pair of Muslims (Fort Hood), or even the black Beltway shooter, you can't have it both ways. You're constantly arguing that black people are violent and have poor family values. It's a "black problem" and perfectly acceptable to stereotype (by the way, a study showed the latter is massively wrong). Now that there's a problem with white extremists, though, you look for exceptions because it offends you? It's fine that you're a wannabe white supremacist, but at least own up to it instead of couching it in some skewed logical perspective based on guesswork and anecdotes.
People are engaging in domestic terrorism because they're trying to get some stupid point across. It doesn't matter who it is doing it. It's a universal problem. Your coworker is a freaking idiot. Liberals have a serious problem when it comes to reacting to these acts, as do conservatives. In the case of liberals, they do look for right wing extremists behind these acts. Why? Largely because the right has absolutely no interest in stopping the attacks. None. It shifts blame around, but ultimately, it has no problem with the attacks occurring. Meanwhile, the right has a big problem with dismissing these acts by seeking out causes that diminish the gun control issues. This one's going to be easy since he's a Muslim. They don't have to worry about selling irrelevance to their constituency. That sure wasn't the case with Planned Parenthood.
Nothing's going to be done. Again. Neither side has enough support to actually make anything happen. The left will whine and moan about nothing getting done and then move on. The right will buy up as many guns as possible (go witness a Walmart raid on gun day) and rest easy in the knowledge that the NRA will take care of everything. Business as usual will continue, and the shootings will likely just increase.
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I was actually just hoping that this excrement would stop happening.
This.
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On my phone so I can't really dig further but I just read that the two dead shooters left behind a six month old baby. What the freak?
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I wonder if the dispute was related to Christmas.
Like someone egging them on to do something Christmasy at the party or saying something about Muslims and then they just lost their excrement.
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I wonder if the dispute was related to Christmas.
WAR ON CHRISTMAS
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Eggnog should not be allowed to be made with high fructose corn syrup.
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Thought the completely different headlines were interesting. I get that the post is going for sensationalism, but the Daily News article doesn't mention their religion at least once as a possible motive. That's just being disingenuous.
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Thought the completely different headlines were interesting. I get that the post is going for sensationalism, but the Daily News article doesn't mention their religion at least once as a possible motive. That's just being disingenuous.
I would normally say " maintaining journalistic standard and not speculating is disingenuous ? " but the Daily news is awful.
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Also you failed the Internet and posted the daily news photo twice
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New York papers outside the Wall Street journal are so so bad. Even the times is hit or miss because it gets too far left.
It's really surprising how there isn't more attention put on how awful the New York media is. Not "tough". Just generally awful.
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I hope the killer is a black lesbian. I'd be so confused.
A buddhist black lesbian.
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I hope the killer is a black lesbian. I'd be so confused.
You see what some of the lesbo's out there look like?
Some of those diesel dyke psuedo-men look so angry and macho, they could probably wipe out our entire tailgate in hand to hand with nothing but a huge blue jelly rooster strap on. I don't see how that would be confusing.
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There's still a lot of questionable info out there. The guy's coworkers are saying he picked up the bride while he was in Saudi Arabia early this year. His brother in law says he's been married for a couple of years. He's got a profile on some dating website from a few years back that lists "target practice in the backyard with my sister" as one of his hobbies.
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I don't think we're close at all to understanding the motive here, but to take a wild stab at it with absolutely no proof whatsoever:
We know the guy is deeply religious. He took the hajj, which is no small commitment and just about the deepest sign of devotion to Islam. Also, saw a photo with his sister in a hijab, so there's some traditional practice going on there. We know he had a baby shower with his wife and his coworkers not long ago. We know he's a gun lover. My guess is that someone said or did something to offend his wife and his religion and he decided that was reason enough to start shooting if they didn't give him the response he was looking for. He didn't get that response, so he and his wife went in shooting. It's got everything: the damning influence of religion, the problem with unchecked gun obsession, and the clear rational disconnect. Covers all the bases.
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You see what some of the lesbo's out there look like?
Some of those diesel dyke psuedo-men look so angry and macho, they could probably wipe out our entire tailgate in hand to hand with nothing but a huge blue jelly rooster strap on. I don't see how that would be confusing.
Check Koz's train bully.
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Check Koz's train bully.
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http://news.yahoo.com/other-mass-shooting-wednesday-didnt-150340934.html
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http://news.yahoo.com/other-mass-shooting-wednesday-didnt-150340934.html
Reacting to the San Bernardino shooting on Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton reiterated her call for gun safety reform, tweeting, "I refuse to accept this as normal."
What an idiotic thing to say. Exceptional events are easy to dismiss. There's nothing practical you can do about exceptional events by their very nature. If I drive down the nearest highway and suddenly decide to veer into oncoming traffic, lots of people will die and there's nothing you can do about it because it's exceptional. You can't legislate for that.
Either it's normal to have mass shootings, in which case you can look for patterns and commonalities and do something to mitigate them, or it's exceptional in which case you're just throwing your hands up and saying "oh well, what's a girl to do?". Not very presidential at all.
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I had more of an issue with the idea that she just keeps dropping these sound bytes without any actual plan. I didn't read it the way you did at all.
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I had more of an issue with the idea that she just keeps dropping these sound bytes without any actual plan. I didn't read it the way you did at all.
Well, I think you're right. I don't think she really knows what to say because I don't think she has any real principles, or at least none that are as important to her as her ascent to the throne. I'm just pointing out the idiocy of her statement.
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Well, I think you're right. I don't think she really knows what to say because I don't think she has any real principles, or at least none that are as important to her as her ascent to the throne. I'm just pointing out the idiocy of her statement.
In a nutshell, this boils her and her ambitions down perfectly .
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In a nutshell, this boils her and her ambitions down perfectly .
Sadly, it's why she'll probably get the nomination. The bidders all know she's available for the right price.
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Sadly, it's why she'll probably get the nomination. The bidders all know she's available for the right price.
She's sadly not much different than hubby, he just seems more likable, excuse me, has that perception of being more likable. She's definitely not likable. I wouldn't vote for hubby and lol at voting for her, not even looking down the barrel of an Abrams tank.
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^ That's a ballsy front page.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/wheres-syed-how-the-san-bernardino-shooting-unfolded/2015/12/03/2ee90128-9a15-11e5-8917-653b65c809eb_story.html?tid=sm_fb
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http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/12/white-male-murderers-planned-parenthood-robert-dear.html
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So I'm guessing the workplace issue is either insanely one sided or non-existent. No way this guy didn't leave something behind to tell why he did it.
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http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/12/white-male-murderers-planned-parenthood-robert-dear.html
That article was a lot more interesting than I thought it was going to be when I read the first paragraph.
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http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/12/white-male-murderers-planned-parenthood-robert-dear.html
I'm really, really interested to hear your view on that article.
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I'm really, really interested to hear your view on that article.
Comparing mass shootings to random acts of police brutality? Also the article conveniently forgets to mention one of the beltway shooters, Colin Ferguson (LIRR mass killer), hell and even the Boston Bomber, who all were allowed to surrender. But let's just focus on the few recent ones who happened to be white, and compare them to guys like Garner.
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lmaooooooo
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And of course the author ends with a comment about the Bechtel test that JE mentioned the other day. What the actual freak?
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Wow. You actually didn't read the article, did you?
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Wow. You actually didn't read the article, did you?
I read enough of it.
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I read enough of it.
lolololololol
Go to bed.
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http://www.theonion.com/article/crazed-palestinian-gunman-angered-by-stereotypes-1651
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Frenzied Media Pore Over Home Of San Bernardino Killers During Live Broadcasts http://n.pr/1OLu0Iz
MSNBC was particularly aggressive, claiming it had broadcast an exclusive with its footage, shown only a few minutes before its competitors. Indeed, MSNBC's Kerry Sanders complained that rival news teams were "a-pushing and a-shoving."
He subsequently held up photographs from the apartment, presumably of family and friends, and even showed a California driver's license of the mother of the male shooter. Her identifying characteristics, including her date of birth, address, eye color and the like, were clearly visible on screen.
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Oh no. This is going to be bad.
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ISIS has claimed responsibility, and they had both been contacting terrorist groups.
Congratulations, Tommy. Your wet dream of more Americans getting killed as a terrorist organization starts attacking the most random of locales is coming true.
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I will say this for the white supremacists in this country: if they had their way back in the day, Tommy wouldn't be in this country. I guess sometimes they have good ideas. Unfortunately for those of us who aren't pieces of excrement, as more groups enter, it always becomes necessary to embrace other groups and allow them to become white. So now we're stuck with a group of pieces of excrement whose ranks swelled by even more pieces of excrement like our resident white supremacist Albanian.
Of course, given that the department was decidedly multinational, it's no shock that he loved that the attack happened. I can only imagine how conflicted he'd be if ISIS had attacked a group of purebloods. The righteous indignation all mingled up with his desire for more terrorist attacks. He would have been raping up a storm.
freak anyone who thinks ISIS attacks on American soil are a good thing. I hope the FBI locks your derriere up, shithead.
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Lol
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I will say this for the white supremacists in this country: if they had their way back in the day, Tommy wouldn't be in this country. I guess sometimes they have good ideas. Unfortunately for those of us who aren't pieces of excrement, as more groups enter, it always becomes necessary to embrace other groups and allow them to become white. So now we're stuck with a group of pieces of excrement whose ranks swelled by even more pieces of excrement like our resident white supremacist Albanian.
Of course, given that the department was decidedly multinational, it's no shock that he loved that the attack happened. I can only imagine how conflicted he'd be if ISIS had attacked a group of purebloods. The righteous indignation all mingled up with his desire for more terrorist attacks. He would have been raping up a storm.
freak anyone who thinks ISIS attacks on American soil are a good thing. I hope the FBI locks your derriere up, shithead.
K
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https://vine.co/v/i7qzgUdYVM5
how Tommy accepts awards from black people
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http://www.npr.org/2015/12/05/458492474/how-many-mass-shootings-this-year-theres-no-consensus
Every time I hear that 353 number it doesn't feel right.
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I'm not sure how true this is but on a really glib and superficial level it sounds like an awesome idea.
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Actually that's a pretty good idea.
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I'm not sure how true this is but on a really glib and superficial level it sounds like an awesome idea.
It will definitely keep legal guns out of the hands of poor minorities.
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It will definitely keep legal guns out of the hands of poor minorities.
That's true. Struggling to see a problem still. Fewer guns in fewer hands sounds like a good thing. I don't care which hands they come out of first.
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I don't know the statistics but I am pretty sure the majority of guns that are in the hands of people that are going to use the guns in the commission of a crime are not going to get those firearms legally.
If I am wrong the numbers are still substantial. Point being, of the need to get rid of the excess guns and not necessarily the ones obtained legally.
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I'm not sure how true this is but on a really glib and superficial level it sounds like an awesome idea.
If the guns aren't the problem and cars are used to argue the point, going through licensing and insurance would make perfect sense.
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I don't know the statistics but I am pretty sure the majority of guns that are in the hands of people that are going to use the guns in the commission of a crime are not going to get those firearms legally.
If I am wrong the numbers are still substantial. Point being, of the need to get rid of the excess guns and not necessarily the ones obtained legally.
I would imagine it would at least illegal gun trade a bit if you could be held responsible for guns that weren't legally traded. I hate the thought of my rates going up for driving issues. I'd hate to thing what would happen to my premium if one of my guns was used to kill someone. Ouch!
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I would imagine it would at least illegal gun trade a bit if you could be held responsible for guns that weren't legally traded. I hate the thought of my rates going up for driving issues. I'd hate to thing what would happen to my premium if one of my guns was used to kill someone. Ouch!
Was it this simple all along?
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That's true. Struggling to see a problem still. Fewer guns in fewer hands sounds like a good thing. I don't care which hands they come out of first.
I said legal guns. #notallguns
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I said legal guns. #notallguns
Doesn't change my point.
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Doesn't change my point.
Was your point that this would be very profitable for a select few and do little to save lives?
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Is yours that you think that it's better to let more people die in order to prevent corporations making money? Because it sounds like a win-win to me.
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Lol at trying to get insurance company's in this game. I honestly don't think many would want to be playing in this market. You would have to set up some type of national firm that would have to underwrite gun policies. For instance the CEO of Geico would laugh himself silly if Obama came and asked him to underwrite gun policies.
I understand the law of large numbers, premiums and how insurance companies create profits but still it's not a market that would be readily/willingly served. I don't think Lloyd's of London, a company that would insure Octomom's vag, would even want to get into this field.
Still it's an interesting proposal and possible solution.
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Is yours that you think that it's better to let more people die in order to prevent corporations making money? Because it sounds like a win-win to me.
You have yet to demonstrate how it saves lives.
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Do the same with cigarettes. Just tax the hell out of guns. This will effectively drive up the price of illegal firearms, which will make obviously make it harder for most people to afford them. At the very least you'll see less inner city shootings.
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Do the same with cigarettes. Just tax the hell out of guns. This will effectively drive up the price of illegal firearms, which will make obviously make it harder for most people to afford them. At the very least you'll see less inner city shootings.
It's not a panacea but it's a better idea than creating a mandatory cash cow for private insurance companies.
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It's not a panacea but it's a better idea than creating a mandatory cash cow for private insurance companies.
Most likely, the gun lobby isn't going to allow either but the tax option is even less likely than the insurance idea. Politicians would be scared stiff instituting a new tax plan.
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Tax ammunition then. It'll be a good compromise. I'd start with a heavy tax on the guns themselves, and then find middle ground on taxing ammunition. High taxes on guns would be seen as taxing home defense etc. Taxing ammunition is a good counter. How many bullets do you really need to protect your home anyway? Also, do you need a permit to buy ammunition? Maybe we should look into that as well.
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You have yet to demonstrate how it saves lives.
I haven't claimed that it would, in fact I think I made it pretty clear that I haven't actually thought the concept through at all. I was responding to your suggestion that it "would be very profitable for a select few and do little to save lives"; if that's true then I'm all for it, because even if does only do a little to save lives I'm entirely fine with that if the only side effect is insurance companies making profit.
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It's not a panacea but it's a better idea than creating a mandatory cash cow for private insurance companies.
Why? What's so terrible about insurance companies making money from it? It's in many ways a perfect system - people are paying an annual licence fee that varies based upon the degree of risk they represent, and private industry is employing hugely powerful analysis methodologies to do that assessment. The government still makes money from the additional sales and corporation taxes levied, and the people least suited to gun ownership are priced out of it.
If you wanted you could impose a special tax on firearm liability insurance and have it paid into a central pot, the purpose of which is to compensate those injured and killed by illegal and/or uninsured firearm usage. Or you could use it to hire a small group of people whose job it is to do nothing but irritate Wayne LaPierre 24 hours a day, perhaps by playing mariachi music in his ear every time he goes out for dinner and firing elastic bands at him whenever he walks down the street and double parking on him every time he leaves his car somewhere.
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If we're going to debate this we really need to work off some facts.
Firstly, I want to know how many murders are committed using illegally obtained weapons vs legally obtained.
Second, does buying ammunition require a gun license or any kind of permit?
Third, are you legally able to sell your gun to someone else? Someone without a permit? I'm assuming that's illegal, as well it should be, but that's obviously how they get into the black market in the first place. I know tracking systems have been brought up but shot down because of the possibility that someone could steal someone else's gun, use it to murder someone, and just pin it on the original gun owner.
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In the time it took you to write that post you could have just Google searched some of those questions but you're probably not as interested in knowing that stuff as you claim.
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In the time it took you to write that post you could have just Google searched some of those questions but you're probably not as interested in knowing that stuff as you claim.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IoZfl5TR6MA
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Not a mass shooting, but I figured the UCLA thing should go here:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-mainak-sarkar-ucla-20160602-snap-story.html
So the gunman has been named. Apparently he was pissed off over a fuckn' grade.
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Wow his name was Mainak? I knew a guy named Mainak and this may be the first time I've heard of an Indian guy doing something like this.
freak this guy. I'm just glad it wasn't some Higher Learning excrement, which is exactly what it sounded like when it started being reported yesterday. My sister was at UCLA when that movie came out and there were some people who got all scared that it could happen there.
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Wow his name was Mainak? I knew a guy named Mainak and this may be the first time I've heard of an Indian guy doing something like this.
freak this guy. I'm just glad it wasn't some Higher Learning excrement, which is exactly what it sounded like when it started being reported yesterday. My sister was at UCLA when that movie came out and there were some people who got all scared that it could happen there.
Like catching someone named Peter Pumpre for indecent exposure.
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A former UCLA graduate student killed his estranged wife in Minnesota before driving to Los Angeles and murdering one of his former professors before turning the gun on himself, authorities said Thursday.
The body of Ashley Hasti, 31, was found early Thursday in her home in Brooklyn Park, northwest of Minneapolis. Hennepin County records confirmed the gunman, Mainak Sarkar, married Hasti in June of 2011.
Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck said Thursday that Hasti's name was on a "kill list" composed by Sarkar. The list also named William Klug, a mechanical engineering professor who died in the Wednesday morning shooting on the Westwood campus, and another engineering professor who was unharmed. Authorities did not identify the second professor.
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what a crazy piece of excrement
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https://www.rt.com/news/346278-orlando-night-club-shooting/
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https://www.rt.com/news/346278-orlando-night-club-shooting/
Apparently it's a gay nightclub having Latin night. Hopefully this isn't another hate crime. Not that it's a rosey situation anyway.
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Boy this got awful in a hurry. At least 20 dead, 40-some injured. Don't know yet whether it's a foreign or domestic terrorist.
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Shooter ID'd as Omar Mateen. US citizen from Port St. Lucie, FL. Has Afghan parents. Early suspicion is Islamic terrorism per CBS news.
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Just woke up and read this.
freaking Orlando too?
Jesus
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Shooter ID'd as Omar Mateen. US citizen from Port St. Lucie, FL. Has Afghan parents. Early suspicion is Islamic terrorism per CBS news.
I actually thought it was going to be some Christian right nutcase, but then I remembered the group and religion that hates gays far more.
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Death toll up to 50. Holy excrement.
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Death toll up to 50. Holy excrement.
Yeah I thought it was a typo. Not so. Horrible.
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It's apparently Pride weekend in Orlando. That bar was probably packed.
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It's apparently Pride weekend in Orlando. That bar was probably packed.
Shooter probably knew that too. This was obviously planned way in advance.
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Shooter probably knew that too. This was obviously planned way in advance.
Of course he did. He probably spent a lot of time researching gay bars, which is the only amusing part of this.
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Of course he did. He probably spent a lot of time researching gay bars, which is the only amusing part of this.
Yeah I was thinking the same. I heard on the news that the shooter's father said that he saw two guys kissing in Miami a few months ago and he flipped his excrement. Might've been the trigger.
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Americans conservatives won't know how to feel. On one hand it's another Muslim extremist. On the other he targeted a gay bar. Their brains may short circuit
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Americans conservatives won't know how to feel. On one hand it's another Muslim extremist. On the other he targeted a gay bar. Their brains may short circuit
Just call everybody a bundle of sticks and call it a day.
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Yeah Orlando was probably packed with gays, I think it's a big Disney weekend for that as well. Thank god he didn't try to go there, it could have been way worse.
At least he's dead, too bad didn't take it his parents first.
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Just call everybody a bundle of sticks and call it a day.
That word doesn't have the same ring to it today, maybe tomorrow.
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Yeah Orlando was probably packed with gays, I think it's a big Disney weekend for that as well. Thank god he didn't try to go there, it could have been way worse.
The bar is a much more confined space though and Disney has to have better security than what he faced walking into that place.
This is terrible and I worry that a bunch of a freaking idiots will overlook this because the victims are gay.
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Yeah Orlando was probably packed with gays, I think it's a big Disney weekend for that as well. Thank god he didn't try to go there, it could have been way worse.
At least he's dead, too bad didn't take it his parents first.
Nah. He wouldn't have gotten an assault rifle into Disney World.
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The bar is a much more confined space though and Disney has to have better security than what he faced walking into that place.
This is terrible and I worry that a bunch of a freaking idiots will overlook this because the victims are gay.
Yeah. You would think the deadliest mass shooting in American history would prompt a huge response, but it's mostly been "Such tragic. So horror."
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I'm guessing he chose this place specifically because of the lack of security.
I know a couple of guys who ran security in some of the clubs here and the supervisor was almost always packing.
He picked an easy target to cause as much carnage as possible. Gay clubs usually don't have metal detectors or pat downs (yeah yeah. phrasing).
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Yeah. You would think the deadliest mass shooting in American history would prompt a huge response, but it's mostly been "Such tragic. So horror."
I didn't register that fact until now. When I saw the initial numbers it was still in the 20s. the 50+ didn't mentally bring up the history books.
that's fucked.
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I imagine there to be a fair amount of women who died. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 15+ out of the 50.
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Why is reddit censoring the thread about the shooting? It was on the front page this morning but they locked and moved it.
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I get emails from Ted Cruz love site American Action News. It wanted everyone to know today that the shooter was a registered Democrat and that it had nothing to do with religion. Just a plain old hate crime.
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Why is reddit censoring the thread about the shooting? It was on the front page this morning but they locked and moved it.
because have you ever met a redditor? They're the most neurotic and insane wildfire spreaders in the world.
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Why is reddit censoring the thread about the shooting? It was on the front page this morning but they locked and moved it.
Apparently r/news has been censoring it so a mod added it to AskReddit for some reason. Bizarre.
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Americans conservatives won't know how to feel. On one hand it's another Muslim extremist. On the other he targeted a gay bar. Their brains may short circuit
Conservatives are 100% going after Islam for this one.
The more amusing situation will be seeing people who can't decide if they should be defending the LGBT community or defending Islam from backlash.
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Conservatives are 100% going after Islam for this one.
The more amusing situation will be seeing people who can't decide if they should be defending the LGBT community or defending Islam from backlash.
You would think so, but a lot of conservatives have been parroting the dad's line that it's not a religious issue.
I don't even get how it's a question of who to defend on the latter front.
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The bar is a much more confined space though and Disney has to have better security than what he faced walking into that place.
This is terrible and I worry that a bunch of a freaking idiots will overlook this because the victims are gay.
Not that this makes it any better. But i doubt it gets overlooked because the shooter has strong ties with Afghanistan
Of course I doubt it gets the attention of Sandy Hook because little children were the target there
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They found Part 2 about a mile from where I live. He was caught because he looked suspicious. Police found a shitload of weaponry and he said he was on his way to Pride week in West Hollywood:
https://www.google.com/amp/ktla.com/2016/06/12/man-with-weapons-possible-explosives-arrested-in-santa-monica-said-he-was-going-to-l-a-gay-pride-parade-report/amp/?client=safari#
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This sucks. I have a million political things to say, but no. I hope it doesn't go there. This just sucks.
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freak.
(http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/index.html)
I'm starting to get back to middle east bombed into a parking lot mentality, and I hate it.
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I'm starting to get back to middle east bombed into a parking lot mentality, and I hate it.
The problem with that is that this dude is from Florida...
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The problem with that is that this dude is from Florida...
911 pledge to ISIS.
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This sucks. I have a million political things to say, but no. I hope it doesn't go there. This just sucks.
It's just better to stay off twitter/facebook/comment sections when this excrement happens.
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911 pledge to ISIS.
I know that, but bombing the Middle East wouldn't stop this.
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I know that, but bombing the Middle East wouldn't stop this.
Bombing them is what allowed the insurgency to evolve in the first place.
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Bombing them is what allowed the insurgency to evolve in the first place.
So this is our fault. Gotcha.
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The problem with that is that this dude is from Florida...
I think we're all open to bombing Florida too.
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So this is our fault. Gotcha.
Well, technically when you attack the wrong country and let an insurgency spiral out of control due to your own actions, yes maybe that has something to do with it.
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I think we're all open to bombing Florida too.
This never would have happened if we did!
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Apparently ISIS said three days ago that it was targeting Florida. I'm guessing they put excrement like that out hoping some sympathizer will actually take action on it.
I notice nobody is commenting on the fact that this guy was deemed ok for a concealed carry permit. Good luck controlling which people get to have guns and which don't.
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I think we're all open to bombing Florida too.
For freak sake, can you let me get out of here first?
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For freak sake, can you let me get out of here first?
Consider that a 90 day warning.
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Well, technically when you attack the wrong country and let an insurgency spiral out of control due to your own actions, yes maybe that has something to do with it.
Yep, the Danes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Copenhagen_shootings) and Australians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Endeavour_Hills_stabbings) and Frenchmen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting) sure did have it coming!
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Yep, the Danes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Copenhagen_shootings) and Australians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Endeavour_Hills_stabbings) and Frenchmen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting) sure did have it coming!
Definitely not even in the realm of what i was saying.
This is that cycle of insanity thing that happens with politics talk.
How about this:
"The United States made a series of foreign policy and military mistakes that led to fostering of ISIS growth in Iraq". I mean, do you or Tommy want to argue that? This isn't about whether islam or shitty is not.
This wasn't even a conversation till Tommy had an unhinged reaction to a very obvious thing like "not commiting genocide in a region".
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Americans conservatives won't know how to feel. On one hand it's another Muslim extremist. On the other he targeted a gay bar. Their brains may short circuit
I know a lot of conservatives, none have a problem with gays.
The liberals can't justify radical Islam's hatred of gays and gay rights at the same time, so the narrative will just be guns. Because terrorists would never use a pressure cooker or a bomb.
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No civilian should legally own an AR-15. Why that is not obvious at this point...
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No civilian should legally own an AR-15. Why that is not obvious at this point...
When even the Democratic candidate is only willing to say that we need to keep those weapons out of the hands of dangerous people, it should be obvious why it's not obvious.
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Short of making guns illegal in this country, which would never happen in a million freaking years, there's no other way to keep assault rifles out of assholes hands other than a methodology that actually tries to screen gun owners or potential gun owners. Even then if they're resourceful that won't work but will at least make them go through hoops.
Also the FBI was aware of this guy, he probably was on a no fly list or at the very least he couldn't just walk into the TSA and get a PRE-Check pass similar to me. I got one rather easily after they did their due diligence. Now if a person like this jerk off is on FBI lists of potential threats why the freak does he have the unfettered ability to buy firearms. You can't get on planes? Hey freak it buy all the weapons you want....... it simply doesn't make sense.
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The liberals can't justify radical Islam's hatred of gays
Um.... when did anyone even try?
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Um.... when did anyone even try?
"X has nothing to do with Islam"
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"X has nothing to do with Islam"
We don't really have to rehash this entire tired argument again, do we?
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We don't really have to rehash this entire tired argument again, do we?
We might.
Guns are out there, pass all the laws you want, people will get them. Don't tell me about "should", it's just like outlawing booze or weed, good luck.
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We might.
Guns are out there, pass all the laws you want, people will get them. Don't tell me about "should", it's just like outlawing booze or weed, good luck.
I didn't say anything about guns. I was talking about your suggestion that "liberals ..... justify radical Islam's hatred of gays".
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Honestly it's inevitable for some kind of assault rifle ban with stricter regulations on semi automatics and or conversion kits. I think this mass shooting could be the one that gets it done.
That said I honestly don't think they will do much to reduce these kinds of events. I believe decision makers are just misguided and blame guns for this. The laws need to be changed, they just won't have the desired outcome
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"X has nothing to do with Islam"
The only thing I've seen people argue is that radicalists are not true Muslims. Which isn't true. They use Islam to justify all of the horrible excrement they do, and they've been able to find support for everything they do in the Q'uran. People argue that most Muslims are good people, which is very likely true, but I've never seen anyone try to suggest that radical Islam is positive in the slightest. And IS specifically mentioned radical Islam.
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I know a lot of conservatives, none have a problem with gays.
The liberals can't justify radical Islam's hatred of gays and gay rights at the same time, so the narrative will just be guns. Because terrorists would never use a pressure cooker or a bomb.
So if conservatives don't have a problem with gays, who has consistently fought against gay rights in this country?
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Honestly it's inevitable for some kind of assault rifle ban with stricter regulations on semi automatics and or conversion kits. I think this mass shooting could be the one that gets it done.
That said I honestly don't think they will do much to reduce these kinds of events. I believe decision makers are just misguided and blame guns for this. The laws need to be changed, they just won't have the desired outcome
Clinton simply wants to find a way to keep the guns out of the hands of would-be criminals while protecting the rights of legal gun owners. That's where the discussion is. Whether we should have any gun control whatsoever. I don't get why people even worry that the 2nd Amendment is in any danger whatsoever.
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So if conservatives don't have a problem with gays, who has consistently fought against gay rights in this country?
I wrote a post but forgot to click on it saying
"Tri State Area Conservatives". That's a big difference. Very small segment of the conservative base.
Most Tri State conservatives are conservatives out of economic self interest.
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So if conservatives don't have a problem with gays, who has consistently fought against gay rights in this country?
Not speaking for all conservatives here, but I'm an older guy and I'm in more conservative circles most of the time, so I'm exposed to a lot of it. Most of them are more interested in preserving religious liberty more than fighting gay rights. I don't know anyone who has a problem with gay people getting married, they have a problem being forced by law to participate in it if they don't want to. Tolerance is a two-way street.
Defending ourselves and not bankrupting our country are the topic of almost every conversation, I've never heard a person tell me they give two sh*ts about what gay people do or don't do.
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Not speaking for all conservatives here, but I'm an older guy and I'm in more conservative circles most of the time, so I'm exposed to a lot of it. Most of them are more interested in preserving religious liberty more than fighting gay rights. I don't know anyone who has a problem with gay people getting married, they have a problem being forced by law to participate in it if they don't want to. Tolerance is a two-way street.
Defending ourselves and not bankrupting our country are the topic of almost every conversation, I've never heard a person tell me they give two sh*ts about what gay people do or don't do.
What you mean to say, is "I know a few people in a very specific region known for being open minded about gay rights,and it's not an issue for them."
Okay, so...that's reflective of what you're exposed to, not the base or country as a whole. That's a very "New York bubble" type comment.
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Clinton simply wants to find a way to keep the guns out of the hands of would-be criminals while protecting the rights of legal gun owners. That's where the discussion is. Whether we should have any gun control whatsoever. I don't get why people even worry that the 2nd Amendment is in any danger whatsoever.
There is absolutely no way to do that, the rest of the discussion is bluster.
As much as this guy was on the radar, there was no legal basis to prevent him from any rights anyone else has based on what he might do. The answer is in the Constitution, individuals need the right to defend themselves, that's why it's up there at #2 right behind free speech. Law enforcement and intelligence can't solve every problem. You don't stop a gunman until someone else shows up with another gun.
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What you mean to say, is "I know a few people in a very specific region known for being open minded about gay rights,and it's not an issue for them."
Okay, so...that's reflective of what you're exposed to, not the base or country as a whole. That's a very "New York" bubble type comment.
I lived on the road full time for years and have spent a lot of time all over the country, and this was 20 years ago before a lot of attitudes have come even further in favor of gay rights. Most people care about their own interests--security and financial--wherever they live. I still know people all over the place, it's easier to keep up with everyone than it used to be.
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I didn't say anything about guns. I was talking about your suggestion that "liberals ..... justify radical Islam's hatred of gays".
Again we're speaking in general terms here, so of course not all liberals, just like you can't paint all conservative or gun owners with one brush. But I've been arguing with them on message boards for years--just not here because I like you guys and aim to keep it that way.
But I've have seen them justifying Islam's mass killing of random people for years--generally based in some kind of logic that it's the US's fault for one thing or another. Obama won't even acknowledge it exists and he's the f*cking president, so certainly there's a problem. So on one hand I hear conservatives hate gays--not from conservatives, mind you--and on the other we're racists and imperialists for wanting to take down an enemy who hates gays. And they oppress women, but somehow we're anti-women, too. That's the only reason I'm fired up today, which is it? Can't be both. We're either fighting intolerance or we're not, but being intolerant of homicidal intolerance I think is ok.
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There is absolutely no way to do that, the rest of the discussion is bluster.
As much as this guy was on the radar, there was no legal basis to prevent him from any rights anyone else has based on what he might do. The answer is in the Constitution, individuals need the right to defend themselves, that's why it's up there at #2 right behind free speech. Law enforcement and intelligence can't solve every problem. You don't stop a gunman until someone else shows up with another gun.
Yes, that's my point. Nobody is talking about doing anything that will in any way, shape, or form infringe upon basic gun rights OR do a damn thing about gun violence, and yet people are freaking out that their gun rights are under attack and that the 2nd amendment is being threatened.
And quartering is #3 in the Constitution. I'd argue gun possession is the 2nd least necessary amendment after quartering. It's there for the same antiquated reasons that quartering is. There's a reason why it's so controversial today and its interpretation is attacked from both sides. The most valid argument against gun control is one of pragmatism, not necessity.
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we're racists and imperialists for wanting to take down an enemy who hates gays.
LOL. You're cute.
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I lived on the road full time for years and have spent a lot of time all over the country, and this was 20 years ago before a lot of attitudes have come even further in favor of gay rights. Most people care about their own interests--security and financial--wherever they live. I still know people all over the place, it's easier to keep up with everyone than it used to be.
What i'm telling you is your anecdotal experience is not reflective of the larger base, supported by the data and polling numbers. Honest question, how much of that traveling time included Missouri, Indiana, Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Arkansas?
People tend to get along with like minded people, so I'm guessing you're not forming long lasting relationships with dipshit rednecks.
but you do , whether intentionally or unintentionally make a good point about the how the republican base has changed from 20 years+ to now. Social media has a lot to do with it and those all quelled or subdued thoughts tend to leak out, and people are suddenly more confident in displaying their opinions.
BTW, the "religious freedom" angle is the only angle to take now because they can't just openly be hateful about gays, so they have to conceal it in a separate issue.
The whole bathroom issue is a perfect example of that.
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Religious liberty is a sham. It's an attempt to legitimize arguments against the extension of civil rights. It's been that way since religion was used to justify slavery. This idea that conservatives don't care if gays marry is absurd. Hell, a lot of liberals opposed gay marriage. California required a court decision after voters voted against gay marriage in 2008. Only 3 states managed to legalize gay marriage by popular vote and 8 more by legislative decision before the Supreme Court ruled. That's 39 states what had to be dragged into it, and the ones who required a Supreme Court decision due to the maintenance of explicit legal bans and constitutional amendments were entirely red. Every single one. The idea that conservatives as a whole really don't care if gay marriage is legal is hilarious. There's a large swath of libertarian leaning conservatives who genuinely don't care, but the fact that most states had a majority opposed to the concept shoots down your argument with ease.
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Again we're speaking in general terms here, so of course not all liberals, just like you can't paint all conservative or gun owners with one brush. But I've been arguing with them on message boards for years--just not here because I like you guys and aim to keep it that way.
But I've have seen them justifying Islam's mass killing of random people for years--generally based in some kind of logic that it's the US's fault for one thing or another. Obama won't even acknowledge it exists and he's the f*cking president, so certainly there's a problem. So on one hand I hear conservatives hate gays--not from conservatives, mind you--and on the other we're racists and imperialists for wanting to take down an enemy who hates gays. And they oppress women, but somehow we're anti-women, too. That's the only reason I'm fired up today, which is it? Can't be both. We're either fighting intolerance or we're not, but being intolerant of homicidal intolerance I think is ok.
It's almost like the world isn't black and white. Imagine that.
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Yes, that's my point. Nobody is talking about doing anything that will in any way, shape, or form infringe upon basic gun rights OR do a damn thing about gun violence, and yet people are freaking out that their gun rights are under attack and that the 2nd amendment is being threatened.
And quartering is #3 in the Constitution. I'd argue gun possession is the 2nd least necessary amendment after quartering. It's there for the same antiquated reasons that quartering is. There's a reason why it's so controversial today and its interpretation is attacked from both sides. The most valid argument against gun control is one of pragmatism, not necessity.
Basic gun rights are already infringed upon in most blue states. Reality suggests that guns are out there and are going to remain out there, creating a black market never helps anything. Individual liberty means being able to own property and protect yourself and your property, we see store owners do it all the time and the gun debate never emerges when that happens. As much as humanity has evolved since our founding, the basic need for personal protection still exists, especially when we have an enemy adhering to 7th century ideology.
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Since we're taking pages out of the IS book of anecdotes clearly indicating general beliefs, I live in maybe the most liberal state in the US, and I've never, ever seen anyone justify terrorism. I have seen people discuss the contributory factors of US involvement, which is absolutely fair. That doesn't mean it justifies the actions, but it's a chance to learn from past mistakes by acknowledging some contribution to the effects seen today.
I'd love to see these people you've argued with for years, though.
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Basic gun rights are already infringed upon in most blue states. Reality suggests that guns are out there and are going to remain out there, creating a black market never helps anything. Individual liberty means being able to own property and protect yourself and your property, we see store owners do it all the time and the gun debate never emerges when that happens. As much as humanity has evolved since our founding, the basic need for personal protection still exists, especially when we have an enemy adhering to 7th century ideology.
So citizens need to be armed to protect themselves from Islamic terrorists? Can you show me an example of that actually happening?
Basic gun rights are not already infringed upon. Extended gun rights absolutely are.
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There is absolutely no way to do that, the rest of the discussion is bluster.
As much as this guy was on the radar, there was no legal basis to prevent him from any rights anyone else has based on what he might do. The answer is in the Constitution, individuals need the right to defend themselves, that's why it's up there at #2 right behind free speech. Law enforcement and intelligence can't solve every problem. You don't stop a gunman until someone else shows up with another gun.
The guy was interviewed by the FBI 3 times, and was still able to legally purchase an AR-15. That is beyond insane. This is not the deadliest mass shooting in US history if the guy doesn't have an assault rifle. Period.
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What i'm telling you is your anecdotal experience is not reflective of the larger base, supported by the data and polling numbers. Honest question, how much of that traveling time included Missouri, Indiana, Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Arkansas?
With the exception of Arkansas I've spent months living in each of those other states. We would set up shop in small town newspapers and spend 6-10 weeks selling ads in the TV guides that used to run in the weekend editions, then we'd go back each year and renew the ads. I would have loved to have been in large markets with more to do but our program worked best in places like Enid, OK, Poplar Bluff, MO, Kokomo, IN, etc. I could reel them off for hours if you like but hopefully that paints the picture.
And yes, there are pockets of ignorance anywhere you go. I was taken back by some of it as a young guy from NJ, but it goes both ways, too.
People tend to get along with like minded people, so I'm guessing you're not forming long lasting relationships with dipshit rednecks.
but you do , whether intentionally or unintentionally make a good point about the how the republican base has changed from 20 years+ to now. Social media has a lot to do with it and those all quelled or subdued thoughts tend to leak out, and people are suddenly more confident in displaying their opinions.
BTW, the "religious freedom" angle is the only angle to take now because they can't just openly be hateful about gays, so they have to conceal it in a separate issue.
The whole bathroom issue is a perfect example of that.
Not sure where you're at with the bathroom angle, but religious liberty is also a founding principle of our country. And I say this personally as an atheist. I'm sure some do have an issue with gay marriage, that's their business, but I think most people only actively try to fight it when they are being forced by social justice warriors to bake the cakes or take part in something they don't want to take part in. People are going to have some ignorant views, that's allowed too. Everyone doesn't have to like it.
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Can we also mention, given IS's desire to drag the Constitution into this, that the 2nd Amendment makes no mention of personal property, liberty, or protection? It's so silly to discuss this in any but pragmatic terms in this day and age.
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The guy was interviewed by the FBI 3 times, and was still able to legally purchase an AR-15. That is beyond insane. This is not the deadliest mass shooting in US history if the guy doesn't have an assault rifle. Period.
They interviewed him but did he do anything? If the government can interview anyone they like and then take away constitutional rights based on that we have a problem. Would it have mattered if he bought a gun on the street or made a home made bomb?
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Can we also mention, given IS's desire to drag the Constitution into this, that the 2nd Amendment makes no mention of personal property, liberty, or protection? It's so silly to discuss this in any but pragmatic terms in this day and age.
Yes, sorry to drag the Constitution into it. LOL
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Since we're taking pages out of the IS book of anecdotes clearly indicating general beliefs, I live in maybe the most liberal state in the US, and I've never, ever seen anyone justify terrorism. I have seen people discuss the contributory factors of US involvement, which is absolutely fair. That doesn't mean it justifies the actions, but it's a chance to learn from past mistakes by acknowledging some contribution to the effects seen today.
I'd love to see these people you've argued with for years, though.
Nirvana Fan Page (http://www.nirvana2.com/system/display.php?forum=11)
Have fun there, makes this place look like an NRA meeting with red meat dripping from the ceiling.
Established in the late 90s, Nirvana fans from around the world who think the world had no evil until America came along.
PS--I'm easy to find, Italian Seafood.
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Yes, sorry to drag the Constitution into it. LOL
The Constitutional argument on gun ownership is tired, misguided, and misapplied. The justification for the 2nd Amendment as stated is a well-regulated militia. That's fine. I have no problem with that. I'm tired of hearing all of these arguments that the 2nd Amendment exists to give people the right to protect their property from intruders. It's so silly.
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Nirvana Fan Page (http://www.nirvana2.com/system/display.php?forum=11)
Have fun there, makes this place look like an NRA meeting with red meat dripping from the ceiling.
Established in the late 90s, Nirvana fans from around the world who think the world had no evil until America came along.
Oh my God. You're clearly trolling here. Your argument for liberal idiocy comes from a Nirvana fan page? Jesus Christ.
By the way, the "around the world" part of your description hurts your argument considerably. Not that there's any substance to it to begin with.
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The Constitutional argument on gun ownership is tired, misguided, and misapplied. The justification for the 2nd Amendment as stated is a well-regulated militia. That's fine. I have no problem with that. I'm tired of hearing all of these arguments that the 2nd Amendment exists to give people the right to protect their property from intruders. It's so silly.
What's silly about it? The police are supposed to be everywhere all the time? We know they're racist and shouldn't have guns either, so where does that leave us? Be vigilant? How?
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Oh my God. You're clearly trolling here. Your argument for liberal idiocy comes from a Nirvana fan page? Jesus Christ.
By the way, the "around the world" part of your description hurts your argument considerably. Not that there's any substance to it to begin with.
Nirvana has been gone a while, so in the 15 years I've been there the conversations have covered a lot of ground. But the point is the original site attracted a younger, international crowd with much more left-leaning views than a football site in the US. They're not all dummies, just a lot of them. :D
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So citizens need to be armed to protect themselves from Islamic terrorists? Can you show me an example of that actually happening?
Texas for one. The guy was a security guard but had his own gun and prevented a massacre at Pamela Geller's event. That's off the top of my head.
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Texas for one. The guy was a security guard but had his own gun and prevented a massacre at Pamela Geller's event. That's off the top of my head.
What, Culwell? That was a police officer who handled things until SWAT arrived.
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What's silly about it? The police are supposed to be everywhere all the time? We know they're racist and shouldn't have guns either, so where does that leave us? Be vigilant? How?
That's not at all what I said, and none of that is addressed by the 2nd Amendment either. I'm not sure where your argument is trailing off to after that, but it's absolutely bizarre.
As I said, the 2nd Amendment uses the necessity of a well regulated militia and protection of the STATE to justify gun ownership by the people. It says nothing of protecting individual property, nor does it mention the inefficiency of the police. I have no idea how to address the rant that followed that statement about police losing their guns due to racism and helpless people living in fear watching for criminal activity all the time.
As I've said before, I've had a gun pulled on me once. I'm pretty sure I'd be dead if I had pulled one out as well. I don't personally know anyone else who has been assaulted or threatened with assault by a gun that was actually present, so I can't really comment on safety as a whole. I have to rely on statistics, which state that guns don't make us safer. Still, I oppose gun bans from a pragmatic standpoint.
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Established in the late 90s, Nirvana fans from around the world who think the world had no evil until America came along.
Imperialism absolutely has paved the way for radical violent Islam stemming from the Middle East. It just hasn't been all America, and only very recently became mostly America.
From the Ottoman Empire essentially making the Middle East into a tax center for England/France, to the carving up of the region following WWI by the League of Nations, to the further dividing up of the region following WWII, to being used as the battlegrounds for numerous proxy wars during the Cold War, to being flooded with oil money creating absurd wealth disparity - the region has been fucked for 200 hundred years. Violent organizations and individuals who cling to fanatical religious ideology in the face of generations of poverty, violence, and disenfranchisement shouldn't be surprising.
The actions they take are appalling, but people do need to know why they are so violent if we have any hope of the violence subsiding.
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That's not at all what I said, and none of that is addressed by the 2nd Amendment either. I'm not sure where your argument is trailing off to after that, but it's absolutely bizarre.
As I said, the 2nd Amendment uses the necessity of a well regulated militia and protection of the STATE to justify gun ownership by the people. It says nothing of protecting individual property, nor does it mention the inefficiency of the police. I have no idea how to address the rant that followed that statement about police losing their guns due to racism and helpless people living in fear watching for criminal activity all the time.
As I've said before, I've had a gun pulled on me once. I'm pretty sure I'd be dead if I had pulled one out as well. I don't personally know anyone else who has been assaulted or threatened with assault by a gun that was actually present, so I can't really comment on safety as a whole. I have to rely on statistics, which state that guns don't make us safer. Still, I oppose gun bans from a pragmatic standpoint.
Glad anecdotal evidence is back on the table then.
How many homeowners and store owners have been captured on video stopping a robbery and more? You never hear the gun debate arise when that happens.
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Imperialism absolutely has paved the way for radical violent Islam stemming from the Middle East. It just hasn't been all America, and only very recently became mostly America.
From the Ottoman Empire essentially making the Middle East into a tax center for England/France, to the carving up of the region following WWI by the League of Nations, to the further dividing up of the region following WWII, to being used as the battlegrounds for numerous proxy wars during the Cold War, to being flooded with oil money creating absurd wealth disparity - the region has been fucked for 200 hundred years. Violent organizations and individuals who cling to fanatical religious ideology in the face of generations of poverty, violence, and disenfranchisement shouldn't be surprising.
The actions they take are appalling, but people do need to know why they are so violent if we have any hope of the violence subsiding.
Is that why they execute gays in Iran? Or punish women who are raped in Saudi Arabia? Did we do that? If the American left is so gay friendly and pro-women, why did they let so many of these animals out of Gitmo and empower the mullahs in Iran with $150 billion dollars? For a "citizen of the world" Obama sure has no problem with the oppression of gays and women once they are outside the boundaries to vote for his party.
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Glad anecdotal evidence is back on the table then
Please try to keep up:
Since we're taking pages out of the IS book of anecdotes clearly indicating general beliefs
As I said, as long as we were operating with anecdotal evidence, I might as well share some.
How many homeowners and store owners have been captured on video stopping a robbery and more? You never hear the gun debate arise when that happens.
I can't personally think of any. Do you have some numbers on that?
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Imperialism absolutely has paved the way for radical violent Islam stemming from the Middle East. It just hasn't been all America, and only very recently became mostly America.
From the Ottoman Empire essentially making the Middle East into a tax center for England/France, to the carving up of the region following WWI by the League of Nations, to the further dividing up of the region following WWII, to being used as the battlegrounds for numerous proxy wars during the Cold War, to being flooded with oil money creating absurd wealth disparity - the region has been fucked for 200 hundred years. Violent organizations and individuals who cling to fanatical religious ideology in the face of generations of poverty, violence, and disenfranchisement shouldn't be surprising.
The actions they take are appalling, but people do need to know why they are so violent if we have any hope of the violence subsiding.
good post. To the point where I can't think of anything to add
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Is that why they execute gays in Iran? Or punish women who are raped in Saudi Arabia? Did we do that? If the American left is so gay friendly and pro-women, why did they let so many of these animals out of Gitmo and empower the mullahs in Iran with $150 billion dollars? For a "citizen of the world" Obama sure has no problem with the oppression of gays and women once they are outside the boundaries to vote for his party.
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Is that why they execute gays in Iran? Or punish women who are raped in Saudi Arabia? Did we do that? If the American left is so gay friendly and pro-women, why did they let so many of these animals out of Gitmo and empower the mullahs in Iran with $150 billion dollars? For a "citizen of the world" Obama sure has no problem with the oppression of gays and women once they are outside the boundaries to vote for his party.
So much wrong with this post but the bold jumped out
.....Which one is it? Obama is a bleeding heart liberal or he doesn't give a excrement about gays and women? It can't be both.
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They execute gays in Iran because they are fucked up and backwards and use twisted ideology to justify horrific laws.
Repeat the above for Saudi treatment of women.
We didn't give Iran $150 billion. We held on to Iran's money via economic sanctions. It wasn't our money to begin with. They held up their end of the deal to get that money which belonged to them. That's how sanctions work. Terms are applied and when those terms are met, the sanctions are lifted.
How does Obama not care about women and gays being oppressed? Nobody on either side is arguing for war or continued military involvement to ensure rights for women and gays. They argue for war to prevent future attacks on America and the West.
Bottom line: the Middle East is fucked up because leaders in the Middle East subscribe to fucked up ideologies. Our involvement there simply supplied them with more weaponry and painted a target on our backs. They'd have hated us no matter what, I'm sure. If we had stayed the hell out of there, though, do you honestly think they'd have gone out of their way to start attacking us? What possible purpose could that have served? We didn't cause the Middle East to be fucked up and oppressive. We just helped turn that on the West. In absolutely no way does that excuse the violent response, which ons was pretty clear about.
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Imperialism absolutely has paved the way for radical violent Islam stemming from the Middle East. It just hasn't been all America, and only very recently became mostly America.
From the Ottoman Empire essentially making the Middle East into a tax center for England/France, to the carving up of the region following WWI by the League of Nations, to the further dividing up of the region following WWII, to being used as the battlegrounds for numerous proxy wars during the Cold War, to being flooded with oil money creating absurd wealth disparity - the region has been fucked for 200 hundred years. Violent organizations and individuals who cling to fanatical religious ideology in the face of generations of poverty, violence, and disenfranchisement shouldn't be surprising.
The actions they take are appalling, but people do need to know why they are so violent if we have any hope of the violence subsiding.
This isn't a good argument. Most of recent terrorists have been Western educated people from upper middle class families (see 9/11 hijackers). Others have been the children of economic migrants. The Middle East and North Africa isn't as ravaged as you make it out to be. Where are all the African terrorists? How about Southeast Asia?
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This isn't a good argument. Most of recent terrorists have been Western educated people from upper middle class families (see 9/11 hijackers). Others have been the children of economic migrants. The Middle East and North Africa isn't as ravaged as you make it out to be. Where are all the African terrorists? How about Southeast Asia?
SE Asia has had massively more stable governments compared to the Mid East, and borders that were created to separate tribes/regions were actually maintained by imperialism. Not really comparable on the same scale.
Much of Africa was dicked around worse than the Middle East (and has a HUGE terrorist problem) but doesn't have the massive oil money and access to weaponry that enables the terrorism to move abroad.
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.....Which one is it? Obama is a bleeding heart liberal or he doesn't give a excrement about gays and women? It can't be both.
Never said he was a bleeding heart liberal, that's for college students. He's a statist liberal whose interest in gay and women's rights extends as far as the ones who can vote for him or his party to keep him in power. Probably why he only "evolved" on gay marriage in the middle of his re-election bid in 2012.
If he truly was a citizen of the world and interested in the rights of gay people and women, he wouldn't be coddling Islamic extremists, letting them out of Gitmo and empowering the regime in Iran. Excuse that deal away any way you want, Iran wouldn't be getting that money if Obama didn't enable them, and he had to lie to the public to get that done.
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They execute gays in Iran because they are fucked up and backwards and use twisted ideology to justify horrific laws.
Repeat the above for Saudi treatment of women.
We didn't give Iran $150 billion. We held on to Iran's money via economic sanctions. It wasn't our money to begin with. They held up their end of the deal to get that money which belonged to them. That's how sanctions work. Terms are applied and when those terms are met, the sanctions are lifted.
How does Obama not care about women and gays being oppressed? Nobody on either side is arguing for war or continued military involvement to ensure rights for women and gays. They argue for war to prevent future attacks on America and the West.
Bottom line: the Middle East is fucked up because leaders in the Middle East subscribe to fucked up ideologies. Our involvement there simply supplied them with more weaponry and painted a target on our backs. They'd have hated us no matter what, I'm sure. If we had stayed the hell out of there, though, do you honestly think they'd have gone out of their way to start attacking us? What possible purpose could that have served? We didn't cause the Middle East to be fucked up and oppressive. We just helped turn that on the West. In absolutely no way does that excuse the violent response, which ons was pretty clear about.
I certainly think they would attack us, just like they attack anyone who isn't like them. They attack each other. What purpose does any of it serve? These aren't rational people, many of them are under 25 and have no idea what the f*ck happened more than ten years ago. They know what they are taught, it doesn't have to be true.
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This isn't a good argument. Most of recent terrorists have been Western educated people from upper middle class families (see 9/11 hijackers). Others have been the children of economic migrants. The Middle East and North Africa isn't as ravaged as you make it out to be. Where are all the African terrorists? How about Southeast Asia?
I know black people live there which makes it less inclined for you to pay attention, but Boko Haram is a thing.
And the Phillipines particularly ,and Malaysia to a lesser extent, have had their issues with terrorism.
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Never said he was a bleeding heart liberal, that's for college students. He's a statist liberal whose interest in gay and women's rights extends as far as the ones who can vote for him or his party to keep him in power. Probably why he only "evolved" on gay marriage in the middle of his re-election bid in 2012.
If he truly was a citizen of the world and interested in the rights of gay people and women, he wouldn't be coddling Islamic extremists, letting them out of Gitmo and empowering the regime in Iran. Excuse that deal away any way you want, Iran wouldn't be getting that money if Obama didn't enable them, and he had to lie to the public to get that done.
He's interested in trying to cultivate stability in certain Middle Eastern countries, and compromises on issues of gay rights and women. Obama's long game is clearly hoping that moderate leaders who bring relative peace and stability to certain Middle Eastern countries will end in slow and steady self-reform toward more moderate social and foreign policy agendas. It's not working yet, but it's idiotic to determine he doesn't care about gay rights and women because he's willing to negotiate with Hassan Rouhani's government.
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He's interested in trying to cultivate stability in certain Middle Eastern countries, and compromises on issues of gay rights and women. Obama's long game is clearly hoping that moderate leaders who bring relative peace and stability to certain Middle Eastern countries will end in slow and steady self-reform toward more moderate social and foreign policy agendas. It's not working yet, but it's idiotic to determine he doesn't care about gay rights and women because he's willing to negotiate with Hassan Rouhani's government.
Why did he turn is back on the real moderates who were getting shot in the streets in 2009 when they had a chance for real reform? Oppressive regimes were falling all around them, the people took a chance and rose up, Obama did nothing. He was more interested in doing business with the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world than helping the people being oppressed by it. Including gays who are executed.
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Never said he was a bleeding heart liberal, that's for college students. He's a statist liberal whose interest in gay and women's rights extends as far as the ones who can vote for him or his party to keep him in power. Probably why he only "evolved" on gay marriage in the middle of his re-election bid in 2012.
If he truly was a citizen of the world and interested in the rights of gay people and women, he wouldn't be coddling Islamic extremists, letting them out of Gitmo and empowering the regime in Iran. Excuse that deal away any way you want, Iran wouldn't be getting that money if Obama didn't enable them, and he had to lie to the public to get that done.
I have issues with Obama, most of them stemming from that I think he's too much of an idealist, and like many liberals tend not to be good at engaging sociopathic dictactors/regimes without getting railroaded.
Seeing the way he got puppetted around for photo ops by the Cuban Government was a shining example of that. It was a pretty embarrassing moment of his presidency.
However with Iran, they already had fairly advanced nuclear capabilities with or without the deal.
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I know black people live there which makes it less inclined for you to pay attention, but Boko Haram is a thing.
And the Phillipines particularly ,and Malaysia to a lesser extent, have had their issues with terrorism.
Can't forget the MILF.
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I certainly think they would attack us, just like they attack anyone who isn't like them. They attack each other. What purpose does any of it serve? These aren't rational people, many of them are under 25 and have no idea what the f*ck happened more than ten years ago. They know what they are taught, it doesn't have to be true.
Of course they attack each other. They have ideological differences about the same religion, and each tries to assert itself as the one true interpretation and gain control over the Muslim world. I just can't understand this idea that they would still attack us if we had remained uninvolved with the region, failed to arm and train them, and failed to establish a lasting presence in the region. You say they're irrational and illogical, but within their system they're perfectly rational. That system just has incredibly fucked up values. I still can't see anything in it that would make them want to stop fighting with each other and turn on some outside force that has nothing to do with them. They hate us for a lot of reasons that are not our fault, and ultimately the responsibility falls squarely on their shoulders. That doesn't mean we didn't play some part in bringing them about.
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This isn't a good argument. Most of recent terrorists have been Western educated people from upper middle class families (see 9/11 hijackers). Others have been the children of economic migrants. The Middle East and North Africa isn't as ravaged as you make it out to be. Where are all the African terrorists? How about Southeast Asia?
We haven't intervened heavily at all in SS Africa, hence why they just kill each other instead of coming here to kill us.
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LOL the ACLU is trying to blame Christian extremists for creating a climate that led a radical Muslim to shoot up the club.
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Of course they attack each other. They have ideological differences about the same religion, and each tries to assert itself as the one true interpretation and gain control over the Muslim world.
Yeah, but I can't think of any other religion in the world ever has had sects that disagree with each other and manifest that disagreement through the medium of homemade bombs and assault rifles, can you?
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Yeah, but I can't think of any other religion in the world ever has had sects that disagree with each other and manifest that disagreement through the medium of homemade bombs and assault rifles, can you?
I only intended that in response to his idea that attacking each other is a sign that they'll attack anyone. They attack people with whom they have a quarrel. They do so violently because they're an incredibly fucked up people.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/14/orlando-gunman-made-multiple-visits-to-nightclub-attacked-reports-say.html
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/14/orlando-gunman-made-multiple-visits-to-nightclub-attacked-reports-say.html
TIL there is a gay dating app called Jack'd. Hilarious.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/14/orlando-gunman-made-multiple-visits-to-nightclub-attacked-reports-say.html
So with the various reports about this guy's repressed and not so repressed sexuality, and the fact that neither he nor anyone else has tried to make any claims of his actions on behalf of ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban or Mohammed himself, and the fact that the guy arrested in Santa Monica with a car full of guns and explosives ingredients was a white dude from Indiana called James Howell, can we perhaps drop the Islamic terrorist narrative and go to the other narrative ("lone wolf, mental illness, guns good, armed poofters are good poofters")?
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So with the various reports about this guy's repressed and not so repressed sexuality, and the fact that neither he nor anyone else has tried to make any claims of his actions on behalf of ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban or Mohammed himself, and the fact that the guy arrested in Santa Monica with a car full of guns and explosives ingredients was a white dude from Indiana called James Howell, can we perhaps drop the Islamic terrorist narrative and go to the other narrative ("lone wolf, mental illness, guns good, armed poofters are good poofters")?
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So with the various reports about this guy's repressed and not so repressed sexuality, and the fact that neither he nor anyone else has tried to make any claims of his actions on behalf of ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban or Mohammed himself, and the fact that the guy arrested in Santa Monica with a car full of guns and explosives ingredients was a white dude from Indiana called James Howell, can we perhaps drop the Islamic terrorist narrative and go to the other narrative ("lone wolf, mental illness, guns good, armed poofters are good poofters")?
Why can't he be both a mentally disturbed person and influenced by radical Islam?
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Why can't he be both a mentally disturbed person and influenced by radical Islam?
That's the point, isn't it? Despite the prevalence of mass killings in the US there are only two narratives - evil terrorist acting on behalf of 1.6 billion people, or mentally ill lone wolf.
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Why can't he be both a mentally disturbed person and influenced by radical Islam?
You forgot hate crime and conflicted sexuality. Dude seems to have all kinds of stuff going on.
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So the guy shot over 100 gay people killing 50 all because he was upset he wanted to suck rooster. Thank God women don't do that excrement.
I hope he is in hell sucking off the devils minions for eternity.
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So with the various reports about this guy's repressed and not so repressed sexuality, and the fact that neither he nor anyone else has tried to make any claims of his actions on behalf of ISIS, Al Qaeda, the Taliban or Mohammed himself, and the fact that the guy arrested in Santa Monica with a car full of guns and explosives ingredients was a white dude from Indiana called James Howell, can we perhaps drop the Islamic terrorist narrative and go to the other narrative ("lone wolf, mental illness, guns good, armed poofters are good poofters")?
What "narrative" are you talking about? You're saying that he wasn't influenced by Islamic Terrorism? Maybe I haven't been following this story as closely as you, but I'm not sure how you can possibly say that.
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That makes sense because Orlando is a very obscure spot to attack a gay club. Something about that struck me as off from the beginning.
I thought maybe it's because it's an easier target (less security, not really a city)
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What "narrative" are you talking about? You're saying that he wasn't influenced by Islamic Terrorism? Maybe I haven't been following this story as closely as you, but I'm not sure how you can possibly say that.
Again, not my point. I was simply saying that given the lack of evidence for Islamic terrorist motivations other than the fact that he was brown (good enough for the Republican nominee, apparently) it's probably time to activate the other stock explanation.
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Again, not my point. I was simply saying that given the lack of evidence for Islamic terrorist motivations other than the fact that he was brown (good enough for the Republican nominee, apparently) it's probably time to activate the other stock explanation.
Didn't the guy call 911 during the attack and pledge loyalty to ISIS? How much more proof do we need that radical Islam was at least part of his motivation?
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Didn't the guy call 911 during the attack and pledge loyalty to ISIS? How much more proof do we need that radical Islam was at least part of his motivation?
He drank a lot. He frequented gay clubs and used a gay hookup app. His ex-wives say that he displayed clear symptoms of mental illness. His family and friends say that he wasn't particularly religious.
Radical Islam was responsible for this like Donald Trump was responsible for Dylann Roof killing black people in a church in Charleston.
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JE definitely has a Muslim boyfriend
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JE definitely has a Muslim boyfriend
A woman for duty, a boy for pleasure, a melon for ecstasy.
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Didn't the guy call 911 during the attack and pledge loyalty to ISIS? How much more proof do we need that radical Islam was at least part of his motivation?
When the stuff about him also being gay came out I assumed it was an insane man's attempt to get into heaven at the last second.
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He drank a lot. He frequented gay clubs and used a gay hookup app. His ex-wives say that he displayed clear symptoms of mental illness. His family and friends say that he wasn't particularly religious.
Radical Islam was responsible for this like Donald Trump was responsible for Dylann Roof killing black people in a church in Charleston.
His father, Seddique Mateen, posted a video in the Dari language of Afghanistan on his Facebook page early Monday.
In a message to the people of Afghanistan, he said: “I don’t know what made him (do this), I have no idea, I had no idea that he felt resentful in his heart and had gone to the gay (he used the derogatory term hamjensbazi) club and killed men and women there,” according to the Guardian.
He described his son as “a very good and well-educated son with a wife and a child.”
He said: “I am very sad and I’ve announced this to the American people as well. Why did he do this act during this holy month of Ramadan. On the topic of being hamjensbazi, punishment and the things that they do, God will give the punishment."
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I just think Islam more than any other religion promotes self hatred for their members who are also gay. It's just so acceptable for their friends and family to dehumanize gays that it breeds this crazy desire to prove how not gay you are by hating them even harder than a straight Muslim would.
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I just think Islam more than any other religion promotes self hatred for their members who are also gay. It's just so acceptable for their friends and family to dehumanize gays that it breeds this crazy desire to prove how not gay you are by hating them even harder than a straight Muslim would.
Have you ever spent any time in any kind of rural community?
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Have you ever spent any time in any kind of rural community?
Yeah, used to spend a few weeks a year in the upstate part of NY which is pretty much indistinguishable from the southern clichés. It's just not main stream to glorify violence against people who are seen as sinners in the same way as it is with Islam.
Maybe it's just a numbers thing and the percentage that glorify this type of action are actually the same. I don't know enough about it to say anything else.
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Yeah, used to spend a few weeks a year in the upstate part of NY which is pretty much indistinguishable from the southern clichés. It's just not main stream to glorify violence against people who are seen as sinners in the same way as it is with Islam.
Maybe it's just a numbers thing and the percentage that glorify this type of action are actually the same. I don't know enough about it to say anything else.
My in-laws are all in rural Ontario and while they're mostly perfectly nice people, some of their views about gay people are absolutely abhorrent and are gleefully reinforced by the Catholic churches they attend every Sunday. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to grow up gay there. I doubt that mainstream Islam is any worse than mainstream Catholicism for demonising homosexuality.
I think the glorification of violence against homosexuals is far more a radical/fundamentalist thing, regardless of the religion you're talking about.
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Have we established the guy was actually gay? From what I read, he visited the club and sat in the corner and got angry and talked about his wife and kid. Given that his wife said he was plotting an attack there, it makes sense if he was trying to learn the security there. Either explanation works, but if he's gay and then made a call pledging loyalty to ISIS before going on a shooting spree, it sure seems like an attempt to cover up the real motive. Go to his grave proving how not gay he is.
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Didn't the guy call 911 during the attack and pledge loyalty to ISIS? How much more proof do we need that radical Islam was at least part of his motivation?
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, though. Why call and do that unless he was trying to make a show of it? I bought into that immediately, but as the stuff about him possibly being gay comes out, it seems more like an excuse he gave.
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Given that his wife said he was plotting an attack there, it makes sense if he was trying to learn the security there.
That doesn't explain his use of gay hookup apps to meet gay fellas though.
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I would be willing to bet the guy was so fucked up because he knew he was a Peter Puffer. So to prove he wasn't he decided to shoot up a gay club.
He was so angry seeing two guys kiss because he loved it. Too bad, if he gave in to his nature and sucked rooster, 50 people would still be alive and many many times that wouldn't be fucked up for life. Oh well it sucks.
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I would be willing to bet the guy was so fucked up because he knew he was a Peter Puffer. So to prove he wasn't he decided to shoot up a gay club.
He was so angry seeing two guys kiss because he loved it. Too bad if he gave in to his nature and sucked rooster 50 people would still be alive and many many times that wouldn't be fucked up for life.
Seriously. I can see a whole bunch of advantages to being gay, unfortunately I just don't fancy men.
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Seriously. I can see a whole bunch of advantages to being gay, unfortunately I just don't fancy men.
Same...... People are so quick to call this terrorism, it is, but not in the way they're trying to label it. This was gay on gay terrorism masked in an Isis flag.
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Same...... People are so quick to call this terrorism, it is, but not in the way they're trying to label it. This was gay on gay terrorism masked in an Isis flag.
The other place he scouted to shoot up was Disney World
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The other place he scouted to shoot up was Disney World
JE: "Him wanting to be Mickey Mouse is more plausible than him being influenced by radical Islamic ideology."
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The other place he scouted to shoot up was Disney World
Pride week spills over, it's huge there. My buddy wanted to take his kids there that week because school let out, and was warned ahead of time, basically advised against it. So there's half truths there as far as he wanted to hit Disney as well.
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Doesn't Disney have separate Gay Days there though?
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That doesn't explain his use of gay hookup apps to meet gay fellas though.
True. My point is just that there seem to be two explanations:
Radical Muslim who staked out his targets and legitimately sympathized with ISIS.
Self loathing gay man who snapped and used the ISIS call to cover up the real reason for the attack.
I can't wrap my head around him actually supporting ISIS while exploring his sexuality. The drinking and such has me thinking the latter is the real one. The wife beating and dad's history lend support to the latter.
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This guy.
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LOL the ACLU is trying to blame Christian extremists for creating a climate that led a radical Muslim to shoot up the club.
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This guy.
So people will know who that is.
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Doesn't Disney have separate Gay Days there though?
I honestly do not know. I figured those days were not official, just a tacit approval.
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I honestly do not know. I figured those days were not official, just a tacit approval.
I very much doubt Gay Days are official, but employees are prepared for them. We have ended up there inadvertently and the best is when families have made those ugly matching shirts for their vacation and they're the same color as whatever all the gay people wear that year. The look on their faces when they realize they look like they're there for Gay Days.
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I very much doubt Gay Days are official, but employees are prepared for them. We have ended up there inadvertently and the best is when families have made those ugly matching shirts for their vacation and they're the same color as whatever all the gay people wear that year. The look on their faces when they realize they look like they're there for Gay Days.
Haha a Kodak moment.
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the shooter's wife is now being investigated by the FBI for possibly being involved.
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She's going to be in big trouble. She clearly knew it was coming and knew intimate details about his plot. Not reporting him to the authorities makes her an accomplice. She's looking at 20+ years. There wouldn't even be any question if she was male.
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And now their kid will be raised by an angry Afghan national who loves the Taliban. Can't see that kid having any problems.
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And now their kid will be raised by an angry Afghan national who loves the Taliban. Can't see that kid having any problems.
this kid is going to grow up to be a Bond villain.
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the shooter's wife is now being investigated by the FBI for possibly being involved.
I think it's because she knew about it ahead of time and didn't tell anyone. Apparently she tried to talk him out of it unsuccessfully, but never came forward to tell anyone what he was doing.
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I think it's because she knew about it ahead of time and didn't tell anyone. Apparently she tried to talk him out of it unsuccessfully, but never came forward to tell anyone what he was doing.
she'll have time to ponder her decision to withhold information while she's sharing a bunk with Jodi Arias.
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And now their kid will be raised by an angry Afghan national who loves the Taliban. Can't see that kid having any problems.
The New York Times had this dipshit on a facebook live stream video earlier in the day, basically an AMA format like he's a freaking actor. It was offensively tone deaf and tasteless. It's a sad microcosm of the twitter era "being first" journalism, if you can even call it journalism.
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How about this Sacramento preacher who says that we shouldn't mourn them because God wanted them dead, and his biggest problem is that this guy took it upon himself to kill them when it should be the government's job to kill gays.
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Their mayor is a sexual predator and the airport has the ugliest people i've ever seen in this country. What an awful place.
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Their mayor is a sexual predator and the airport has the ugliest people i've ever seen in this country. What an awful place.
They have an awesome ice cream place called Gunther's. That's about the best thing I can say for Sacramento. The park around the Capitol is nice too.
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Someone should kill the preacher, he's an ignorant fuckwad let him pollute this world with his ignorance.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html
The more that comes out, the more evident it is that the guy had serious insecurity issues with his sexuality, and that it conflicted with his upbringing. I'm leaning towards this, and his claims of ISIS support, were just a ruse to kill the demons in his head and prove to the world that he isn't gay.
What an poopchute.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html)
The more that comes out, the more evident it is that the guy had serious insecurity issues with his sexuality, and that it conflicted with his upbringing. I'm leaning towards this, and his claims of ISIS support, were just a ruse to kill the demons in his head and prove to the world that he isn't gay.
What an poopchute.
Yeah I was going to post a similar article. I think it was obvious after a day or two this guys insecurity over sucking rooster caused him to actually kill people that had no such insecurities. It really is a shame, if he simply faced what he was he would have been one of those dancing during latin night, enjoying himself.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html
The more that comes out, the more evident it is that the guy had serious insecurity issues with his sexuality, and that it conflicted with his upbringing. I'm leaning towards this, and his claims of ISIS support, were just a ruse to kill the demons in his head and prove to the world that he isn't gay.
What an poopchute.
That's basically what I thought when the latent homosexuality stuff came out.
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And now this
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/18/482621690/investigators-say-orlando-shooter-showed-few-warning-signs-of-radicalization
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direct Radicalization no....
but the stuff coming out about his father makes sense that he would be conflicted about his beliefs. Especially excrement like ;
"God will punish those involved in homosexuality," . " not an issue that humans should deal with."
the balls on that freaking dude to have his son be the killer and then throw that in there as an immediate public response.
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They can say he was radicalized all they want that guy was dying to suck rooster. He literally died because he couldn't face the fact, he was a bundle of sticks.
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They can say he was radicalized all they want that guy was dying to suck rooster. He literally died because he couldn't face the fact, he was a bundle of sticks.
That's already been agreed upon.
I'm trying to get to the next point in the conversation is, why would he feel THAT uncomfortable with being gay?
This is a pretty interesting, comprehensive profile I read today.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/troubled-quiet-macho-angry-the-volatile-life-of-omar-mateen/2016/06/17/15229250-34a6-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html
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That's already been agreed upon.
I'm trying to get to the next point in the conversation is, why would he feel THAT uncomfortable with being gay?
This is a pretty interesting, comprehensive profile I read today.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/troubled-quiet-macho-angry-the-volatile-life-of-omar-mateen/2016/06/17/15229250-34a6-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html
Well Islam is pretty no-tolerance when it comes to homosexuality, considering it's illegal and punishable by death in pretty much most predominately Muslim countries. And that's not radical Islam. It's just, well, Islam.
No one wants to talk about his religion or upbringing because he isn't exactly radicalized, but I'm sure if he was part of some Christian church people would be all over his religion.
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Well Islam is pretty no-tolerance when it comes to homosexuality, considering it's illegal and punishable by death in pretty much most predominately Muslim countries. And that's not radical Islam. It's just, well, Islam.
No one wants to talk about his religion or upbringing because he isn't exactly radicalized, but I'm sure if he was part of some Christian church people would be all over his religion.
Dude. Everyone is all over his religion. What do you mean no one wants to talk about it?
One of America's biggest pastors lost his son to suicide and there were rumors from friends and members of the church that he offed himself because of his dad's stance on homosexuality. Nobody dragged it into it in public or in the press, so there goes that.
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Dude. Everyone is all over his religion. What do you mean no one wants to talk about it?
One of America's biggest pastors lost his son to suicide and there were rumors from friends and members of the church that he offed himself because of his dad's stance on homosexuality. Nobody dragged it into it in public or in the press, so there goes that.
If he shot up a a bunch of people then it totally would have been.
The largest attack on homosexuals in this country has just been committed by a Muslim and not the big bad Christian Religious fanatics we've been warned about in this country.
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Well Islam is pretty no-tolerance when it comes to homosexuality, considering it's illegal and punishable by death in pretty much most predominately Muslim countries. And that's not radical Islam. It's just, well, Islam.
No one wants to talk about his religion or upbringing because he isn't exactly radicalized, but I'm sure if he was part of some Christian church people would be all over his religion.
That's what I'm getting at.
I don't agree with the last sentence though.
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And while it's not even most Muslim countries but actually fewer than half that punish homosexuality by death, the fact that so many countries, Muslim and as many non-Muslim, give punishment for homosexuality is so unconscionable. There are a ton of people who would love to have that power here, though.
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If he shot up a a bunch of people then it totally would have been.
The largest attack on homosexuals in this country has just been committed by a Muslim and not the big bad Christian Religious fanatics we've been warned about in this country.
And that asshat from the ACLU was excrement on for trying to put some blame on conservative Christians. What's your point? If a Christian shot up a gay club because he felt unable to come to grips with the conflict between his attraction and his faith, of course it would be mentioned. Just like this guy's religion has been mentioned. It doesn't matter that he was apparently a shitty Muslim. It very clearly influenced his ability to deal with who he was.
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And that asshat from the ACLU was excrement on for trying to put some blame on conservative Christians. What's your point? If a Christian shot up a gay club because he felt unable to come to grips with the conflict between his attraction and his faith, of course it would be mentioned. Just like this guy's religion has been mentioned. It doesn't matter that he was apparently a shitty Muslim. It very clearly influenced his ability to deal with who he was.
My point is that you're a bundle of sticks.
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I saw a few different new sources run with a quote from his former manager at GNC:
"He bulked up his arms from 20 inches to 40 inches".
Okay...so he had Hulk Hogan arms as a 19 year old and then became literally the Incredible Hulk?
That's exactly why you don't buy anything from GNC.
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As for those laws, they exist in less developed countries of many religious persuasions. Look at SS Africa. Islam is a religion which is resistant to change, so while you have a lot of Muslims in developed countries who work their religion into their modern lives and views, there are a ton of Muslims who live in pre-modern worlds, and their opinions are reflected by people in other poor and backwards regions.
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My point is that you're a bundle of sticks.
I win. Thanks.
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I win. Thanks.
I'm at the pub. Go ahead. In the mrimjgn I'll try and fix this or something.
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They can say he was radicalized all they want that guy was dying to suck rooster. He literally died because he couldn't face the fact, he was a bundle of sticks.
So he was too gay to admit he was gay. Gay vortex created.
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Mass shooting of loads is what he really wanted
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And now this
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/18/482621690/investigators-say-orlando-shooter-showed-few-warning-signs-of-radicalization
Looks like you were right
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/20/fbi-to-release-partial-transcript-between-orlando-nightclub-gunman-and-police.html
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They scrubbed any references to radical Islam out of an official police transcript? That's freaking stupid.
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Lol this administration is run like it's a third grade operation.
Now children it's bad to stereotype, the SS wasn't run by ruthless ideological murderers they were just misunderstood, if we gave them more love and affection they would have gotten along with the Jews, Gypsies, Communists, people that like the same sex and all the other groups of people they didn't treat well.
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The admin is really going all-in now. This is ridiculous, and they're blatantly treating the public like morons.
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They scrubbed any references to radical Islam out of an official police transcript? That's freaking stupid.
They already reversed their decision lol
The FBI and DOJ reversed the morning decision and released the full transcript in an afternoon news release.
"Unfortunately, the unreleased portions of the transcript that named the terrorist organizations and leaders have caused an unnecessary distraction from the hard work that the FBI and our law enforcement partners have been doing to investigate this heinous crime," the organizations said in a statement.
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"Unnecessary distraction"? It's written in the fuckn transcript!
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I get that they determined that the ISIS stuff was likely bullshit, but doing that makes it reek of a cover up.
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I get that they determined that the ISIS stuff was likely bullshit, but doing that makes it reek of a cover up.
Why didn't they just come out and say that they believe the ISIS stuff was a cover blah blah, and that they don't want this used as ISIS propaganda?
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Why didn't they just come out and say that they believe the ISIS stuff was a cover blah blah, and that they don't want this used as ISIS propaganda?
Because they're idiots?
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The admin is really going all-in now. This is ridiculous, and they're blatantly treating the public like morons.
To be fair, the public are overwhelmingly morons.
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To be fair, the public are overwhelmingly morons.
I get that, but doing something without an explanation is insulting the intelligence of those who aren't morons.
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I get that, but doing something without an explanation is insulting the intelligence of those who aren't morons.
yep
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I get that, but doing something without an explanation is insulting the intelligence of those who aren't morons.
They don't care anymore. Some stupid, non-sequitur celebrity story will replace it soon enough.
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I get that, but doing something without an explanation is insulting the intelligence of those who aren't morons.
Look at the way that party is treating its own party members. Democratic voters are so stupid that the party can anoint a nominee before anyone has declared, rig the entire election process to ensure she gets nominated, constantly get exposed for it, and STILL get voters to wring their hands about how terrifying the thought of people not falling in line is because of some outcome that's not seriously in doubt.
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Look at the way that party is treating its own party members. Democratic voters are so stupid that the party can anoint a nominee before anyone has declared, rig the entire election process to ensure she gets nominated, constantly get exposed for it, and STILL get voters to wring their hands about how terrifying the thought of people not falling in line is because of some outcome that's not seriously in doubt.
Not sure if stupid is the word.
spineless, cowardice (which I'm perfectly aware you've used many times to describe voters) definitely fit.
That's the problem with *certain* people that are too liberal specifically in the US. Anxious and afraid of confrontation, mistaking it for some type of virtue
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Not sure if stupid is the word.
spineless, cowardice (which I'm perfectly aware you've used many times to describe voters) definitely fit.
That's the problem with *certain* people that are too liberal specifically in the US. Anxious and afraid of confrontation, mistaking it for some type of virtue
Those are the words.
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Orlando Police Dispatcher: Emergency 911, this is being recorded.
Omar Mateen: In the name of God the Merciful, the beneficent [said in Arabic]
OD: What?
OM: Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God [said in Arabic]. I wanna let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings.
OD: What’s your name?
OM: My name is I pledge of allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of the Islamic State.
OD: Ok, What’s your name?
OM: I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi may God protect him [said in Arabic], on behalf of the Islamic State.
OD: Alright, where are you at?
OM: In Orlando.
OD: Where in Orlando?
[End of call.]
2:48 a.m.: First crisis negotiation call occurred lasting approximately nine minutes.
3:03 a.m.: Second crisis negotiation call occurred lasting approximately 16 minutes.
3:24 a.m.: Third crisis negotiation call occurred lasting approximately three minutes.
In these calls, the shooter, who identified himself as an Islamic soldier, told the crisis negotiator that he was the person who pledged his allegiance to [omitted], and told the negotiator to tell America to stop bombing Syria and Iraq and that is why he was “out here right now.” When the crisis negotiator asked the shooter what he had done, the shooter stated, “No, you already know what I did.” The shooter continued, stating, “There is some vehicle outside that has some bombs, just to let you know. You people are gonna get it, and I’m gonna ignite it if they try to do anything stupid.” Later in the call with the crisis negotiator, the shooter stated that he had a vest, and further described it as the kind they “used in France.” The shooter later stated, “In the next few days, you’re going to see more of this type of action going on.” The shooter hung up and multiple attempts to get in touch with him were unsuccessful.
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Oh man, that's even more pathetic than I thought.
"I have a vest!"
"What kind of vest?"
"You know, the kind they used in France!"
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http://abc7news.com/news/man-claims-orlando-shooter-was-his-gay-lover/1396650/
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^ Can't be true he proclaimed his allegiance to ISIS.
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Why can't he be all three?
An insane repressed-gay Islamic extremist.
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Why can't he be all three?
An insane repressed-gay Islamic extremist.
Joking aside the guy grew up in a pretty traditional Islamic family where homosexuality is absolutely off-limits. Countries that abide by Sharia law punish homosexuals with death. It's not absurd to think that his upbringing had something to do with his response. Maybe he thought this was a way to make his peace with God. "Hey I know I did gay excrement, but I pledged allegiance to ISIS and slaughtered a bunch of them for you."
But religion absolutely didn't play a role. People are really going out of their way to not blame extremism. Why?
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What does it matter? This didn't fall under the guise of a true terrorist act. It was perpetuated by a self hating guy not in the name Isis, that part was bullshit. People go out of their minds to label this crap or in the Obama administration's case, not label it because they're a bunch of pussies.
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What does it matter? This didn't fall under the guise of a true terrorist act. It was perpetuated by a self hating guy not in the name Isis, that part was bullshit. People go out of their minds to label this crap or in the Obama administration's case, not label it because they're a bunch of pussies.
Just because he didn't do it for Isis doesn't mean he wasn't influenced by radical Islam.
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Just because he didn't do it for Isis doesn't mean he wasn't influenced by radical Islam.
Meh how many thousands of people over the years either offed themselves or others or were killed by non Muslims because they couldn't face their sexuality? Let's face it the stigma is still real, not as bad as it was but still.
The Muslim excrement didn't help for sure but radical beliefs had nothing to do with this, he wasn't radicalized it was a convenient label. This wasn't Mumbai, not even close, ideologically speaking.
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Meh how many thousands of people over the years either offed themselves or others or were killed by non Muslims because they couldn't face their sexuality? Let's face it the stigma is still real, not as bad as it was but still.
The Muslim excrement didn't help for sure but radical beliefs had nothing to do with this, he wasn't radicalized it was a convenient label. This wasn't Mumbai, not even close, ideologically speaking.
Again, we've seen closeted gay people commit suicide etc. Nothing like this. It's fair to assume that his beliefs, and the huge conflict his sexuality crisis posers, played some kind of role in this. Not saying that radicals told him to do this, but he could very well have been sympathetic to the ISIS cause and it may have influenced his decision to go out while taking other with him in a blaze of glory for Allah, perhaps to atone for his sin, rather than just offing himself.
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Again, we've seen closeted gay people commit suicide etc. Nothing like this. It's fair to assume that his beliefs, and the huge conflict his sexuality crisis posers, played some kind of role in this. Not saying that radicals told him to do this, but he could very well have been sympathetic to the ISIS cause and it may have influenced his decision to go out while taking other with him in a blaze of glory for Allah, perhaps to atone for his sin, rather than just offing himself.
I guess we just have agree to disagree as far as the radical Islam component of this crime. I am positive the religous pressure and the stigma associated with being gay made the dude snap in a nuclear way. Then add a dose or two of crazy, gun enthusiast and here we are.
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Joking aside the guy grew up in a pretty traditional Islamic family where homosexuality is absolutely off-limits. Countries that abide by Sharia law punish homosexuals with death. It's not absurd to think that his upbringing had something to do with his response. Maybe he thought this was a way to make his peace with God. "Hey I know I did gay excrement, but I pledged allegiance to ISIS and slaughtered a bunch of them for you."
But religion absolutely didn't play a role. People are really going out of their way to not blame extremism. Why?
I think there's a difference between your last two sentences. He obviously wasn't a Muslim extremist. The guy had gay sex, drank, and generally just excrement all over Islam. However, if he hadn't grown up in a household like the one he did with that religion in the back of his mind, he's not going to have the same response. I don't see how anyone could suggest that religion didn't play a role. It informed his self loathing. That doesn't mean he was an extremist, but he was raised Muslim and raised to view homosexuality as completely unacceptable.
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I think there's a difference between your last two sentences. He obviously wasn't a Muslim extremist. The guy had gay sex, drank, and generally just excrement all over Islam. However, if he hadn't grown up in a household like the one he did with that religion in the back of his mind, he's not going to have the same response. I don't see how anyone could suggest that religion didn't play a role. It informed his self loathing. That doesn't mean he was an extremist, but he was raised Muslim and raised to view homosexuality as completely unacceptable.
My point is that what if recently he started becoming more sympathetic to ISIS and their cause. That's been known to happen to a lot of young Muslims who weren't necessarily religious. That could've been the trigger that caused him to do what he did. It's just a theory on my part, as we don't have enough evidence to suggest otherwise. I get that people want to assume he used his supposed extremist leanings as a convenient excuse to cover up the fact that he was closeted, but I'm sure he even knew that it would eventually come out. My personal theory is that he was troubled, and started becoming more radicalized to find the answer, and then decided to perform an act that would reconcile his relationship with the religion and with Allah.
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My point is that what if recently he started becoming more sympathetic to ISIS and their cause. That's been known to happen to a lot of young Muslims who weren't necessarily religious. That could've been the trigger that caused him to do what he did. It's just a theory on my part, as we don't have enough evidence to suggest otherwise. I get that people want to assume he used his supposed extremist leanings as a convenient excuse to cover up the fact that he was closeted, but I'm sure he even knew that it would eventually come out. My personal theory is that he was troubled, and started becoming more radicalized to find the answer, and then decided to perform an act that would reconcile his relationship with the religion and with Allah.
What you want to be true and what is likely are two very different things.
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Joy, there's another one, this time it's in Dallas.
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Joy, there's another one, this time it's in Dallas.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/07/485185632/3-police-officers-killed-at-least-7-others-wounded-by-2-snipers-in-dallas
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Breaking News Feed @pzf 23m23 minutes ago
BREAKING NEWS: Reports of an active shooter at Miami children's hospital. Emergency crews rushing.
FFS...enough already.
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Holy freak
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Breaking News Feed @pzf 12m12 minutes ago
UPDATE: Police say NO shots have been fired at Nicklaus Children's hospital. They're investigating a threat to the hospital.
Hopefully they got that under control....shooting up a childrens' hospital, there are no words.
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Stop following breaking news aggregators.
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Breaking News Feed @pzf 12m12 minutes ago
UPDATE: Police say NO shots have been fired at Nicklaus Children's hospital. They're investigating a threat to the hospital.
Hopefully they got that under control....shooting up a childrens' hospital, there are no words.
Stop following breaking news aggregators.
Yeah follow Sean King you freaking freak lover of the older lady player of the pink oboe hoo-ha derriere bundle of sticks
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Stop following breaking news aggregators.
BREAKING: frrrrrt
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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There's no active shooter and no bomb was found in Miami Children's hospital.
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Stop following breaking news aggregators.
lol @ him making fun of me for using census numbers as sources and then posting this
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lol @ him making fun of me for using census numbers as sources and then posting this
I was making fun of you for using comedians as sources.
Your reading comprehension is funny too.
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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I was making fun of you for using comedians as sources.
Your reading comprehension is funny too.
There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
"Jwiki" or whatever gay name you came up with.
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http://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/
Click this
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http://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/
Click this
I don't get it.
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http://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/
Click this
My thought and prayer rockets are much more modern. I feel like mine could save twice as many lives as the zero saved here.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fort-myers-nightclub-shooting-1-dead-14-others-reportedly-wounded-n61596
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fort-myers-nightclub-shooting-1-dead-14-others-reportedly-wounded-n61596
Body Doubles, CGI Can Bring Actors Back to Life
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http://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/authorities-south-carolina-school-shooter-killed-father-before-rampage
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possible shooter on Ohio State campus.
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I hate seeing this thread come up
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he dead
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I hate seeing this thread come up
Yeah, at least when you see the Obituary one you can hope it was at least somebody old and due to natural causes.
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technically a mass "knifing"
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Nine people wounded in a shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, shooter in custody but no details yet so we get to play the "white lone wolf with mental illness or evil scheming soldier of ISIS" guessing game for a little while.
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Nine people wounded in a shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, shooter in custody but no details yet so we get to play the "white lone wolf with mental illness or evil scheming soldier of ISIS" guessing game for a little while.
Plot twist. Eskimo transvestite.
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Plot twist. Eskimo transvestite.
That's Inuit, you racist cisgender bastard.
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bastard.
It's father-challenged.
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Broward County sheriff confirms multiple people dead.
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There goes that airport, freak. It's one of my favorite airports. They're saying three people. Rip
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Nine people wounded in a shooting at Fort Lauderdale Airport, shooter in custody but no details yet so we get to play the "white lone wolf with mental illness or evil scheming soldier of ISIS" guessing game for a little while.
Why do people care? Either way the person is a disgraceful excuse for a human being. There's plenty of both so the continual desire to play the blame game is a pointless exercise.
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Why do people care? Either way the person is a disgraceful excuse for a human being. There's plenty of both so the continual desire to play the blame game is a pointless exercise.
I agree entirely, I'm just pre-empting the blame/excuse game that will inevitably ensue.
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I agree entirely, I'm just pre-empting the blame/excuse game that will inevitably ensue.
Yup, not directed at you at all
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Sounds like it might still be going on. CNN showing more people being evacuated from different parts of the building. Not sure if it's more excrement going down or just security sweeps.
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Shooter in custody named as Esteban Santiago. Believed to be military, unknown if current or former.
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Trying to reach my boss who's based out of Ft Lauderdale and said she was traveling today. No word yet.
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As of around 2:30 p.m. local time, the TSA said there was another active shooter at the airport and that all terminals were closed.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/06/at-least-5-dead-8-hospitalized-after-shooting-at-ft-lauderdale-airport.html
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As of around 2:30 p.m. local time, the TSA said there was another active shooter at the airport and that all terminals were closed.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/06/at-least-5-dead-8-hospitalized-after-shooting-at-ft-lauderdale-airport.html
Broward County is calling it "unconfirmed reports of additional shots fired".
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Broward Sheriff live now, saying that there is no second attack and that the only shots they believe have been fired were by the original shooter.
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Broward Sheriff live now, saying that there is no second attack and that the only shots they believe have been fired were by the original shooter.
Thus ends my breaking news career.
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Thus ends my breaking news career.
In your defence, TSA did send out that tweet. Ignore Reddit though, it's full of people listening to scanners and saying that it's a full scale military conflict.
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So it was a Canadian flight. Guy checked his gun when he got on the plane, gave it back to him, went to the bathroom, loaded, and went to baggage claim and started firing head shots.
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Army Reserve, from NJ, been living in Alaska. Apparently surrendered himself to police when he ran out of ammo.
I reckon the storyline we get is mental illness (possibly PTSD), Obama failed the vets, wouldn't have happened if people were allowed to carry in the airport. It's depressingly predictable.
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I picked a wonderful weekend to travel.
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I picked a wonderful weekend to travel.
Forgot about that. Suggest you don't pack a firearm, if you were planning to. Legal or not, I imagine there's going to be a whole world of extra scrutiny on people with guns in checked luggage.
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Forgot about that. Suggest you don't pack a firearm, if you were planning to. Legal or not, I imagine there's going to be a whole world of extra scrutiny on people with guns in checked luggage.
I don't own a gun and I never plan on it.
On Sunday, I'm flying from Charleston, SC to Charlotte, NC to Dallas, TX to Lafayette, LA. I'll have about 24 hours to find a place to live. Then we're moving next Friday.
I am going to die of exhaustion.
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I don't own a gun and I never plan on it.
You are a smart man.
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Army Reserve, from NJ, been living in Alaska. Apparently surrendered himself to police when he ran out of ammo.
I reckon the storyline we get is mental illness (possibly PTSD), Obama failed the vets, wouldn't have happened if people were allowed to carry in the airport. It's depressingly predictable.
I wonder why he waited to do it in Fort Lauderdale if his goal was to just kill people. Why not walk into the check in line at Anchorage and shoot people there? Why not a mall? Guy really went out of his way to do something that most crazies just choose an easier route.
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Okay just heard that he got into a fight with some people on the flight, so that may have set him off. That theory makes more sense.
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the plastic surgery fellow i am working with right now just used that airport last friday. said the first thing he is going to do when he gets home tonight is count his blessings by getting wasted
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the plastic surgery fellow i am working with right now just used that airport last friday.
don't forget to post a pic of your new funbags when the heal
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don't forget to post a pic of your new funbags when the heal
im getting my funbags done after i recover from my a$s shots
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The stupid governor of Florida says "let's not bring politics into this", but says he called Trump and Pence and not Obama. Why wouldn't you call the current president? What can Trump and Pence do now?
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The stupid governor of Florida says "let's not bring politics into this", but says he called Trump and Pence and not Obama. Why wouldn't you call the current president? What can Trump and Pence do now?
Scott is a gigantic poopchute.
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The stupid governor of Florida says "let's not bring politics into this", but says he called Trump and Pence and not Obama. Why wouldn't you call the current president? What can Trump and Pence do now?
Rick Scott looks like Voldemort or a python
He's an absolute POS. Worst governor here in a while
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The stupid governor of Florida says "let's not bring politics into this", but says he called Trump and Pence and not Obama. Why wouldn't you call the current president? What can Trump and Pence do now?
What's Obama going to do? Hes got less than 2 weeks left in office, so he's not getting excrement done
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Whoever thought it was OK to let people check guns on a plane has litterally never seen a movie, ever.
Keep your guns at home. Yosemite Sam had open carry. How did that go?
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Whoever thought it was OK to let people check guns on a plane has litterally never seen a movie, ever.
Keep your guns at home. Yosemite Sam had open carry. How did that go?
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Dylann Roof sentenced to death for the Charleston church shooting.
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Dylann Roof sentenced to death for the Charleston church shooting.
Awesome he should be dead in twenty five years.
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Awesome he should be dead in twenty five years.
I don't get why it takes so long when people openly admit to doing it.
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I don't get why it takes so long when people openly admit to doing it.
Due process.
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Due process.
Yeah but still.
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Oh goody, it's leaking.
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/breaking-five-reported-to-be-killed-in-shooting-at-quebec-city-mosque
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Oh goody, it's leaking.
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/breaking-five-reported-to-be-killed-in-shooting-at-quebec-city-mosque
Yeah, totally Trump's fault.
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Yeah, totally Trump's fault.
I didn't say anything about Trump.....
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I didn't say anything about Trump.....
It was implied.
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It was implied.
Actually not even remotely, but you chose to read it that way. You're getting very defensive of your pet lunatic.
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Actually not even remotely, but you chose to read it that way. You're getting very defensive of your pet lunatic.
Thought you were gonna go play video games?
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Thought you were gonna go play video games?
Sadly I find myself watching the news of more hateful pieces of excrement committing acts of terrorism.
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Sadly I find myself watching the news of more hateful pieces of excrement committing acts of terrorism.
Been watching Miss Universe. Miss Canada is fat.
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Thought you were gonna go play video games?
He's texting guys to freak his wife while he watches
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Been watching Miss Universe. Miss Canada is fat.
"Miss Canada has let herself go. She should have more CLASS than that. Sad. Miss America. Great funbags. Tremendous. #MAGA"
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Turns out it was white male French-Canadian who was an outspoken supporter of Trump and Marine Le Pen. Try and contain your surprise.
White right wing radicalisation is at least as big a problem as Islamic fundamentalist radicalisation and it's time to stop picking sides.
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Turns out it was white male French-Canadian who was an outspoken supporter of Trump and Marine Le Pen. Try and contain your surprise.
White right wing radicalisation is at least as big a problem as Islamic fundamentalist radicalisation and it's time to stop picking sides.
Picking sides? You have got to be kidding me. There are organized fundamentalist Islamic groups that are actively engaged in terrorist activities worldwide and open about it. To equate right-wing extremism to fundamentalist Islamic extremism is disingenuous and you know it.
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Picking sides? You have got to be kidding me. There are organized fundamentalist Islamic groups that are actively engaged in terrorist activities worldwide and open about it. To equate right-wing extremism to fundamentalist Islamic extremism is disingenuous and you know it.
A fundamentalist white supremacist is sitting on the National Security Council.
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A fundamentalist white supremacist is sitting on the National Security Council.
No evidence that he's a white supremacist, that's just dumb. Guys like Andrew Breitbart and Ben Shapiro (who ran the site for the last 4 years until recently) are Jewish. I don't know any white supremacists who would associate with Jews.
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No evidence that he's a white supremacist, that's just dumb. Guys like Andrew Breitbart and Ben Shapiro (who ran the site for the last 4 years until recently) are Jewish. I don't know any white supremacists who would associate with Jews.
I will defer to your knowledge on white supremacists as it's very clear that you're a lot closer to them than me.
You do know though that white is a racial characteristic whereas Judaism is a religion, just like you've been very fond of telling us that Islam is a religion and therefore hating Muslims doesn't make you racist?
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I will defer to your knowledge on white supremacists as it's very clear that you're a lot closer to them than me.
You do know though that white is a racial characteristic whereas Judaism is a religion, just like you've been very fond of telling us that Islam is a religion and therefore hating Muslims doesn't make you racist?
Christ. You can't just call people white supremacists just because they're far right of your position.
Anyway, being against Islam isn't racist. I don't hate Muslims - I grew up with them. White Muslims, but Muslims nonetheless. Islam was never a white/brown thing for me, as if you know anything about the Balkans, Muslims make up a good chunk of the population of Albania, Bosnia, etc. What I don't like is radical Islam, just as you don't like radical Christianity or whatever.
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Christ. You can't just call people white supremacists just because they're far right of your position.
Anyway, being against Islam isn't racist. I don't hate Muslims - I grew up with them. White Muslims, but Muslims nonetheless. Islam was never a white/brown thing for me, as if you know anything about the Balkans, Muslims make up a good chunk of the population of Albania, Bosnia, etc. What I don't like is radical Islam, just as you don't like radical Christianity or whatever.
I don't like radical anything, which was my original point.
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I don't like radical anything, which was my original point.
I don't either, but I'm more afraid of the ones who kill my countrymen, and more personally, a close relative.
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I don't either, but I'm more afraid of the ones who kill my countrymen, and more personally, a close relative.
Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of when the Catholics spent most of my youth taking out my countrymen, came within a few feet of killing my uncle as he was on parade, and blew up Bishopsgate a few weeks after I'd started working a few blocks away, some of it financed by American money, but thankfully I was able to recognise that it's the responsibility of the individual and not the entire freaking people.
I don't either, but I'm more afraid of the ones who kill my countrymen, and more personally, a close relative.
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Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of when the Catholics spent most of my youth taking out my countrymen, came within a few feet of killing my uncle as he was on parade, and blew up Bishopsgate a few weeks after I'd started working a few blocks away, some of it financed by American money, but thankfully I was able to recognise that it's the responsibility of the individual and not the entire freaking people.
Who said its the entire people? I'm not labeling all Muslims as terrorists, but clearly certain groups within Islam have an agenda and will kill indiscriminately for it. Just as the IRA had their own agenda independent of 99.99pct of all Catholics. If the IRA made threats against the U.S you don't think there would be tighter vetting of people coming in from Ireland at the time?
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Who said its the entire people? I'm not labeling all Muslims as terrorists, but clearly certain groups within Islam have an agenda and will kill indiscriminately for it. Just as the IRA had their own agenda independent of 99.99pct of all Catholics. If the IRA made threats against the U.S you don't think there would be tighter vetting of people coming in from Ireland at the time?
There already is 'tighter vetting' of people coming in who may be terrorists. Fermenting fear, anger, and a sense of betrayal for people who have already been vetted is not the way to stifle violence.
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There already is 'tighter vetting' of people coming in who may be terrorists. Fermenting fear, anger, and a sense of betrayal for people who have already been vetted is not the way to stifle violence.
Yeah, all that vetting we did and those travel bans made Al Qaeda plan attacks on us from the 93 bombing through 911. These guys are going to try and kill us regardless. If this travel ban pushes a few over the edge then they were probably going to get radicalized anyway.
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Who said its the entire people? I'm not labeling all Muslims as terrorists, but clearly certain groups within Islam have an agenda and will kill indiscriminately for it. Just as the IRA had their own agenda independent of 99.99pct of all Catholics. If the IRA made threats against the U.S you don't think there would be tighter vetting of people coming in from Ireland at the time?
We had the Ring Of Steel. For several years I drove to work through checkpoints surrounding the Square Mile, they were mainly interested in stopping vans but they'd periodically check cars as well. I know what living under threat of terrorism feels like and I know what increased security feels like.
What stopped it was talking and diplomacy.
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Yeah, all that vetting we did and those travel bans made Al Qaeda plan attacks on us from the 93 bombing through 911. These guys are going to try and kill us regardless. If this travel ban pushes a few over the edge then they were probably going to get radicalized anyway.
Two attacks, one 24 years ago and one 16 years ago. Okay.
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We had the Ring Of Steel. For several years I drove to work through checkpoints surrounding the Square Mile, they were mainly interested in stopping vans but they'd periodically check cars as well. I know what living under threat of terrorism feels like and I know what increased security feels like.
What stopped it was talking and diplomacy.
So you think we can reason with the likes of Al Qaeda and ISIS?
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Two attacks, one 24 years ago and one 16 years ago. Okay.
Yeah because those were the only terrorist attacks against American civilians. Give me a break.
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Yeah because those were the only terrorist attacks against American civilians. Give me a break.
What else could have been prevented with the extreme vetting that is happening under Trump that didn't happen under Obama?
You're the one who didn't give actual examples of failures of the previous administration's vetting policy.
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What else could have been prevented with the extreme vetting that is happening under Trump that didn't happen under Obama?
You're the one who didn't give actual examples of failures of the previous administration's vetting policy.
So we should wait until another terrorist attack before we act? I don't get what's wrong with reviewing the vetting process, it's a different administration.
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You're the one who didn't give actual examples of failures of the previous administration's vetting policy.
I didn't say the last administration failed to keep us safe or anything like that. All I said that we have to remain vigilant because anything can happen. Can't just be reactive.
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So you think we can reason with the likes of Al Qaeda and ISIS?
No, Tommy, I don't. Just like we couldn't reason with the Provisional IRA. What we did was stop treating young Northern Irish people like the enemy and invested in their communities to create jobs, helped them to achieve a stronger sense of self government and built a generation that would rather travel the world, get educated and get good jobs than take up arms.
You don't beat radicals. You starve them of recruits. You voted for more terrorists.
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No, Tommy, I don't. Just like we couldn't reason with the Provisional IRA. What we did was stop treating young Northern Irish people like the enemy and invested in their communities to create jobs, helped them to achieve a stronger sense of self government and built a generation that would rather travel the world, get educated and get good jobs than take up arms.
You don't beat radicals. You starve them of recruits. You voted for more terrorists.
We tried nation building. Didn't work out very well.
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I didn't say the last administration failed to keep us safe or anything like that.
You literally just said that previous vetting failed to prevent Al Qaeda attacks against our nation.
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You literally just said that previous vetting failed to prevent Al Qaeda attacks against our nation.
I used the 90s as an example of why vetting is necessary, and how extremists have been trying to kill us regardless of our vetting process and travel bans. That doesn't mean we have to stop improving.
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So we should wait until another terrorist attack before we act? I don't get what's wrong with reviewing the vetting process, it's a different administration.
What is currently happening isn't a 'review' of the vetting process. It's a complete overhaul of the fundamental values of immigration, implemented inconsistently and potentially illegally because there was no roll-out plan. There was no review, it was purely reactionary based on a need to change something dramatically from what the previous administration was already accomplishing.
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We tried nation building. Didn't work out very well.
I'm sorry, I don't understand that statement. Explain please.
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We tried government destroying. Didn't work out very well.
ftfy
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What is currently happening isn't a 'review' of the vetting process. It's a complete overhaul of the fundamental values of immigration, implemented inconsistently and potentially illegally because there was no roll-out plan. There was no review, it was purely reactionary based on a need to change something dramatically from what the previous administration was already accomplishing.
Did you even read the executive order? The review will happen during the 90 ban.
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I'm sorry, I don't understand that statement. Explain please.
Northern Ireland is part of the UK, so it's not apples to apples. How can we expect to change the ideologies of people in the Middle East when we don't run their governments, unless we go in and try and forcibly inject democracy, which didn't work out very well for us (Iraq).
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Did you even read the executive order? The review will happen during the 90 ban.
Did you even think about what you're typing? A review doesn't necessitate a 90 day ban, and the decision to indefinitely ban Syrians obviously preceded any review.
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Did you even think about what you're typing? A review doesn't necessitate a 90 day ban, and the decision to indefinitely ban Syrians obviously preceded any review.
Stop travel while the visa vetting process is reviewed for each country. That was the whole point.
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Northern Ireland is part of the UK, so it's not apples to apples. How can we expect to change the ideologies of people in the Middle East when we don't run their governments, unless we go in and try and forcibly inject democracy, which didn't work out very well for us (Iraq).
How many Americans have been killed by Iraqi terrorist attacks on US soil, Tommy?
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Stop travel while the visa vetting process is reviewed for each country. That was the whole point.
I'm glad you are so adept at taking Trump's word at face value without introducing any critical thought into the process.
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I'm glad you are so adept at taking Trump's word at face value without introducing any critical thought into the process.
I'm glad you two were finally introduced.
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Northern Ireland is part of the UK, so it's not apples to apples. How can we expect to change the ideologies of people in the Middle East when we don't run their governments, unless we go in and try and forcibly inject democracy, which didn't work out very well for us (Iraq).
It's amazing to me how you could have supported the war in Iraq and yet want to face 0 consequences for being wrong, while people who vehemently opposed the war in Iraq are able to take responsibility for your mistake.
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How many Americans have been killed by Iraqi terrorist attacks on US soil, Tommy?
Yeah, let's just wait until something bad happens before acting.
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It's amazing to me how you could have supported the war in Iraq and yet want to face 0 consequences for being wrong, while people who vehemently opposed the war in Iraq are able to take responsibility for your mistake.
At the time I was for it, but hindsight is 20/20. Looking back it was definitely not a good idea.
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Yeah, let's just wait until something bad happens before acting.
No, hang on. You're defending the ban on visas for Iraqi citizens despite none of their citizens having attacked the US on the basis that US attempts to rebuild their government didn't immediately turn it into a land of milk and honey?
I don't think you really have the first clue about international diplomacy, which would explain your voting preferences.
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Yeah, let's just wait until something bad happens before acting.
I'm going to take a wild guess here and assume that you don't know the number of Americans that have been killed by citizens of the seven countries affected by this ban over the last 40 years. That number is zero, so if you want to justify banning citizens of seven countries from coming here based on what could happen, that's your prerogative, but I think you're going to find that this does far more to endanger American lives than it does to protect them.
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I'm going to take a wild guess here and assume that you don't know the number of Americans that have been killed by citizens of the seven countries affected by this ban over the last 40 years. That number is zero so if you want to justify banning citizens of seven countries from coming here based on what could happen, that's your prerogative, but I think you're going to find that this does far more to endanger American lives than it does to protect them.
Before the first WTC bombing we didn't see any killings of U.S citizens, or attempted terrorist attacks, but citizens in any middle eastern country's but it happened.
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Before the first WTC bombing we didn't see any killings of U.S citizens, or attempted terrorist attacks, but citizens in any middle eastern country's but it happened.
None of the men that were responsible for carrying out the 9/11 terror attacks originated from any of the countries that are the subject of this ban. However, 15 of the 19 highjackers were Saudi Arabian citizens, yet somehow Saudi Arabia is not among the countries that are being banned. Perhaps that's because they're our second largest supplier of oil or perhaps it's because the Trump Organization has significant business ties there (including eight new companies that were registered during the campaign)? It bewilders the mind.
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None of the people that were responsible for carrying out the 9/11 terrorist attacks originated from any of the countries that are the subject of this ban. However, 15 of the 19 highjackers were Saudi Arabian citizens, yet Saudi Arabia is somehow not one the countries that is being banned. Perhaps that's because they're our second largest supplier of oil or perhaps it's because the Trump Organization has significant business ties there (including eight new companies that were registered during the campaign)? I just don't know.
It's extremely difficult for your run of the mill Saudi citizen to come to the U.S. already. Same with Egypt. These were vetting processes that were put into place after 9/11. Again, why should we have to wait until a Yemeni visitor who shouldn't have been here commits an attack before we take a closer look at the vetting process? Also, these countries have become increasingly more radicalized in the last few years, especially because of their respective civil wars.
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Don't give me that excrement. We have one of the most stringent immigration processes in the world. It takes an average of 18 to 24 months for a Syrian refugee to be considered for a visa. The only motive here is to stoke fear and induce hysteria.
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Don't give me that excrement. We have one of the most stringent immigration processes in the world. It takes an average of 18 to 24 months for a Syrian refugee to be considered for a visa. The only motive here is to stoke fear and induce hysteria.
Then why freak out over a temporary 90 day ban?
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Then why freak out over a temporary 90 day ban?
because it's freaking stupid and unnecessary.
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Then why freak out over a temporary 90 day ban?
I don't know? Maybe because it betrays everything that we represent as a country?
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We are endangering our citizens overseas.
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We're giving our enemies a tool to recruit from within our borders.
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We are breeding distrust in our allies and hostility in our enemies.
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Most of all it's just freaking stupid.
The recklessness and amateurishness that this new administration has displayed in implementing policy is just embarrassing.
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Most of all it's just freaking stupid.
The recklessness and amateurishness that this new administration has displayed in implementing policy is just embarrassing.
You guys are only a week in with that clown. He needs to go before he does some real damage that can't be undone.
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You guys are only a week in with that clown. He needs to go before he does some real damage that can't be undone.
Replace him with Bowles. He would punt them back to their countries in 4th down.
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I don't understand how the same people who keep reiterating that we need to keep out Muslims that might attack us within our border if allowed in are absolutely silent when a white dude commits an actual act of terrorism against people within our border.
But it's a "lone wolf" every time it's a radicalized white dude. It doesn't matter that they consistently espouse the same ideology. It's just "different."
White supremacists are an actual problem in this country, not a theoretical one.
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I don't understand how the same people who keep reiterating that we need to keep out Muslims that might attack us within our border if allowed in are absolutely silent when a white dude commits an actual act of terrorism against people within our border.
But it's a "lone wolf" every time it's a radicalized white dude. It doesn't matter that they consistently espouse the same ideology. It's just "different."
White supremacists are an actual problem in this country, not a theoretical one.
I think it's disingenuous to suggest that the federal government isn't taking all domestic terrorist threats seriously, including monitoring various radical groups (both right and left). We actually had a program designed to help identify targets already in the states, but the whole Snowden thing kind of put the kibosh on that. Also, it's easier to just prevent potential radicals from entering the country than it is to read the minds and monitor individuals already here who may commit acts of terror.
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I think it's disingenuous to suggest that the federal government isn't taking all domestic terrorist threats seriously, including monitoring various radical groups (both right and left). We actually had a program designed to help identify targets already in the states, but the whole Snowden thing kind of put the kibosh on that. Also, it's easier to just prevent potential radicals from entering the country than it is to read the minds and monitor individuals already here who may commit acts of terror.
Yeah, I mean it's not like they post their ideology all over the web or anything.
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I don't understand how the same people who keep reiterating that we need to keep out Muslims that might attack us within our border if allowed in are absolutely silent when a white dude commits an actual act of terrorism against people within our border.
But it's a "lone wolf" every time it's a radicalized white dude. It doesn't matter that they consistently espouse the same ideology. It's just "different."
White supremacists are an actual problem in this country, not a theoretical one.
I wonder why they're not subject to the same scrutiny.
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-fbi-has-quietly-investigated-white-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/
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The dumbest thing about banning refugees from Iraq is that we just had one of our biggest successes in Iraq, clearing East Mosul from ISIS rule, with the help of American troops.
Now, you give ISIS free recruiting by giving them reasons to show that America hates them. Then you have Trump say that we should have just taken their oil, and we may get another chance to do it.
So just as we have one of our most important recent wins in Iraq, Trump does everything he can to turn Iraqis against us, both with his executive order and his reckless statements.
Not only does that help ISIS recruit, which puts America at risk, but it puts American troops who have been fighting with Iraqis at more risk.
So we sold out our American ideology to make our nation and our troops more unsafe. There is zero proof that banning refugees makes us safer.
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Good job by Trudeau's office.
http://www.cp24.com/news/pmo-slams-fox-news-for-incorrect-tweet-about-quebec-city-shooting-suspect-1.3265408
That's what actual fake news looks like, you orange queynte.
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Good job by Trudeau's office.
http://www.cp24.com/news/pmo-slams-fox-news-for-incorrect-tweet-about-quebec-city-shooting-suspect-1.3265408
That's what actual fake news looks like, you orange queynte.
What was the tweet?
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What was the tweet?
It's referenced in the article, but they basically read some bullshit on Reddit or Twitter and believed it, so they tweeted out before anything was clear that the shooter was Moroccan. As we know, it turned out that it was a white supremacist French-Canadian. I haven't checked, but I'm told that the tweet is still up.
Faux News can freak off.
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It's referenced in the article, but they basically read some bullshit on Reddit or Twitter and believed it, so they tweeted out before anything was clear that the shooter was Moroccan. As we know, it turned out that it was a white supremacist French-Canadian. I haven't checked, but I'm told that the tweet is still up.
Faux News can freak off.
Ah, I was following on Reddit's live feed and don't remember a specific Fox News tweet, but I guess it highlights the major difference between the media in both countries. I also found it pretty disgusting that both sides were licking their chops hoping it would be a white supremacist/radical Islamist depending on what fit your narrative.
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I don't understand how the same people who keep reiterating that we need to keep out Muslims that might attack us within our border if allowed in are absolutely silent when a white dude commits an actual act of terrorism against people within our border.
But it's a "lone wolf" every time it's a radicalized white dude. It doesn't matter that they consistently espouse the same ideology. It's just "different."
White supremacists are an actual problem in this country, not a theoretical one.
Let's not forget the mentally ill. Our system right now puts too much emphasis on the rights of the mentally ill and essentially must wait until they act out before addressing it in a criminal or quasi-criminal setting. When a potentially dangerous mentally ill person (I'm talking paranoid schizos, bipolar primarily) stops taking meds or treatment, it is not a question of if, but when they will become manic and act out violently. Sandy Hook, Va Tech, Aurora, Gabby Giffords' shooter, UC Santa Barbara, all come to mind. There are millions more examples where community and family members have been killed or seriously injured by the mentally ill.
Regardless of the ACLUs stance that people have a right to be mentally ill and refuse medication and treatment, I feel that the risk of non-treatment is too high to the communities in which these people live. I don't advocate locking them up, but we should have a way to involuntarily evaluate, diagnose, monitor, treat, and medicate these people PREEMPTIVELY for the benefit of everyone, patient included, before they get to that manic stage. To me, it's more of a treatment issue as it is only when they are noncompliant with their treatment regimen that they pose a danger. Due to massive underfunding at the federal and state level, however, there have been no new laws or strategies developed to address these issues, and it's been politicized into arguments about gun control and Islamaphobia.
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Now you cucks are going to be hoping for a radical Islamic terrorism attack on US soil so you can gloat and blame Trump. SOJFs.
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Let's not forget the mentally ill. Our system right now puts too much emphasis on the rights of the mentally ill and essentially must wait until they act out before addressing it in a criminal or quasi-criminal setting. When a potentially dangerous mentally ill person (I'm talking paranoid schizos, bipolar primarily) stops taking meds or treatment, it is not a question of if, but when they will become manic and act out violently. Sandy Hook, Va Tech, Aurora, Gabby Giffords' shooter, UC Santa Barbara, all come to mind. There are millions more examples where community and family members have been killed or seriously injured by the mentally ill.
Regardless of the ACLUs stance that people have a right to be mentally ill and refuse medication and treatment, I feel that the risk of non-treatment is too high to the communities in which these people live. I don't advocate locking them up, but we should have a way to involuntarily evaluate, diagnose, monitor, treat, and medicate these people PREEMPTIVELY for the benefit of everyone, patient included, before they get to that manic stage. To me, it's more of a treatment issue as it is only when they are noncompliant with their treatment regimen that they pose a danger. Due to massive underfunding at the federal and state level, however, there have been no new laws or strategies developed to address these issues, and it's been politicized into arguments about gun control and Islamaphobia.
Well I'm sure drug abuse is an issue that's probably keeping sweeping reforms on treatment. It's very easy to convince a licensed therapist that you have anxiety so they can subscribe some valium. Same with other medications. Also, people with mental issues rarely ever seek treatment on their own. I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was in H.S and tried some ritalin but gave up because I didn't like the way it changed me. Then there are people who refuse to admit they have a problem. Not sure how we could really enforce getting people who need treatment to get treated.
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Well I'm sure drug abuse is an issue that's probably keeping sweeping reforms on treatment. It's very easy to convince a licensed therapist that you have anxiety so they can subscribe some valium. Same with other medications. Also, people with mental issues rarely ever seek treatment on their own. I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was in H.S and tried some ritalin but gave up because I didn't like the way it changed me. Then there are people who refuse to admit they have a problem. Not sure how we could really enforce getting people who need treatment to get treated.
For a change, I mostly agree with you (although I don't completely disagree with Jetaho either). Involuntary incarceration of people for fear of what they might do without credible evidence of specific intent is an incredibly dangerous path to go down, especially with the cunts you just elected, and requires an intensive and complex combination of services from assorted healthcare and law enforcement organisations to do effectively.
You might be better off just preventing weapons of war available to the average man in the street by repealing the Second Amendment, something which I'm sure you're completely in favour of given your stated desire to do away with anachronistic regulation.
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Now you cucks are going to be hoping for a radical Islamic terrorism attack on US soil so you can gloat and blame Trump. SOJFs.
No way. A major attack would probably help him. Bush would have been one and done if not for 9/11 and the ensuing war.
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No way. A major attack would probably help him. Bush would have been one and done if not for 9/11 and the ensuing war.
If 9/11 didn't happen we probably wouldn't have gone into Iraq. Bush's policy at the time was to continue sanctions and the occasional bombing that was part of Clinton's containment policy during his last term. His domestic policies weren't really much of an issue during the 2004 election.
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If 9/11 didn't happen we probably wouldn't have gone into Iraq. Bush's policy at the time was to continue sanctions and the occasional bombing that was part of Clinton's containment policy during his last term. His domestic policies weren't really much of an issue during the 2004 election.
"Can't change presidents during a war." was the talking point.
Without national tragedy he would have fumbled his way through a few years at a steady low approval rating before losing in 2004.
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No way. A major attack would probably help him. Bush would have been one and done if not for 9/11 and the ensuing war.
Oh. Good point. Good thing all the terrorists are banned now
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I agree
If we still had stronger policies for institutionalizing the mentally, folks like Trump and Bannon would be safely in solitary confinement and not in the WH issuing insane EOs and destroying our Nation
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Lone wolf, mental illness, blah blah blah.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-la-jolla-shooting-20170430-story.html
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This is more like it, a good old fashioned case of going postal like we used to get in more innocent times.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/06/05/multiple-people-killed-in-shooting-at-florida-business/
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http://nypost.com/2017/09/13/cops-respond-to-shooting-reports-at-high-school/
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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/19/552025083/dylann-roof-asks-to-fire-legal-team-of-biological-enemies
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41382492
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Yo what the freak is happening in Vegas right now??
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Automatic weapon??
https://youtu.be/KMfjLD8eMAc
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Goddammit
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Automatic weapon??
https://youtu.be/KMfjLD8eMAc
"excrement just got real"
"This is why Trump - "
How is this chick not running for her life instead of snap chatting?
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Christ what freaking news to wake up to
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No idea what allowed this excrement to happen. But I have to imagine this is going to result in the biggest push for gun control we've ever seen.
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Meanwhile, a guy that scumbag Sheldon Adelson hired to write for the Las Vegas Review Journal was spouting off that it's Muslim terror before any news is released.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLIkctWWsAAugUS.jpg)
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64 year old white male, Las Vegas resident Stephen Paddock.
jesus this is terrifying.
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Apparently he was able to fire for 10 minutes before they got to him (or he off'd himself). That had to be horrible to endure constant fire for 10 minutes straight. Who knows how many bullets were fired before it stopped. Horrible.
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No idea what allowed this excrement to happen. But I have to imagine this is going to result in the biggest push for gun control we've ever seen.
What do you mean "what allowed this excrement to happen"? The guy smuggled a bunch of guns up to his room, kicked out his hotel window, and fired down. What was supposed to prevent this besides a moral compass and human decency?
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Wow that is crazy my thoughts and prayers to the victims. It literally must have been a war zone down there. I can't imagine how frightening it was..... They were just there to listen to bad music.
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TMZ...
Stephen Paddock is an outlier for police profilers ... at least so far.
The 64-year-old Nevada resident lived in a retirement community. He has no criminal record, at least none we've been able to find so far.
We found Paddock has a hunting license in Alaska. He got a pilot's license in 2003, which means he's undergone some physical and mental evaluation.
As we reported, Paddock, died in his hotel room after slaughtering more than 50 people and injuring more than 400. It appears he died from a self-inflicted gunshot.
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Shocking, shocking news. So sad. There was some film of this outrage on the early news but it seems to have been pulled. Looked terrifying.
I hope our Bro Fenwyr is safe.
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Shocking, shocking news. So sad. There was some film of this outrage on the early news but it seems to have been pulled. Looked terrifying.
I hope our Bro Fenwyr is safe.
I think he works daytime weekdays and avoids the Strip otherwise, but he probably knows plenty of people who were there.
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Shocking, shocking news. So sad. There was some film of this outrage on the early news but it seems to have been pulled. Looked terrifying.
I hope our Bro Fenwyr is safe.
He is, he marked himself safe on Facebook.
I've already seen the first post mooting it as a false flag operation designed to help the gun control lobby.
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jesus
what the freak is wrong with some people
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jesus
what the freak is wrong with some people
We day them same thing about Puck every tailgate.
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Meanwhile, a guy that scumbag Sheldon Adelson hired to write for the Las Vegas Review Journal was spouting off that it's Muslim terror before any news is released.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLIkctWWsAAugUS.jpg)
Too bad this right wing piece of garbage wasn't one of the victims
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What do you mean "what allowed this excrement to happen"? The guy smuggled a bunch of guns up to his room, kicked out his hotel window, and fired down. What was supposed to prevent this besides a moral compass and human decency?
Well they're gonna do all kinds of investigations. How did he purchase the guns, did he modify them, how were they purchased and moved etc etc. Could ot have been prevented? Minimized, anything?
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Trump love love loved this. He got to mention unity about 30 times in a 2 minute statement and didn't have to worry about any divisive racial issues in the shooting. It's a wet dream for a guy who doesn't actually give a freak about the people anyway and just wants to get rid of negative distractions and welcome ones that boost his profile.
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Well they're gonna do all kinds of investigations. How did he purchase the guns, did he modify them, how were they purchased and moved etc etc. Could ot have been prevented? Minimized, anything?
Shut the freak up, dcm. You really can't be this much of a piece of excrement in real life...can you?
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Trump love love loved this. He got to mention unity about 30 times in a 2 minute statement and didn't have to worry about any divisive racial issues in the shooting. It's a wet dream for a guy who doesn't actually give a freak about the people anyway and just wants to get rid of negative distractions and welcome ones that boost his profile.
"This was an act of...evil."
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I can't imagine the logistics of trying to close down the strip and conduct a large scale investigation in the middle of all that.
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Shut the freak up, dcm. You really can't be this much of a piece of excrement in real life...can you?
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I'm actually not against them doing something about guns. After something like this I DO think they should do a thorough investigation and change something. Clearly the system failed to allow something of this magnitude to happen, so the system needs to get fixed.
I realize this is a little more big government than my typical standpoint, but this shits not gonna get better.
Not sure how you interpreted what I said, but my point was that this was a huge enough tragedy to get bipartisan support for change.
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Well they're gonna do all kinds of investigations. How did he purchase the guns, did he modify them, how were they purchased and moved etc etc. Could ot have been prevented? Minimized, anything?
It's irrelevant in Nevada. There are no permits, no registration, and prior to Jan 1 of this year, no background checks. There's no such thing as illegal gun purchasing in Nevada, so it makes absolutely no difference. No laws against modification or any form of assault weapon either. Absolutely nothing that could have been done. Nada. This was not preventable in any feasible way.
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Apparently ISIS tried to take credit for it. Vegas Metro and the FBI say that there is no evidence of the guy having any religious or political affiliation, and I'd be surprised if some white dude in his 60s living in a gated community is a secret convert to fundamentalist religious doctrine.
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ISIS will try to take credit for a fart cloud in a 7/11
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freaking crazy. I hate country music, so we were safe, but this happened 5 minutes from my house.
The were jumping the fence to the airport and still getting shot. Needless to say the airport was shut down.
The irony is I need get on a flight pretty damn soon. My mom in south carolina went into ICU last night. Some of you know she's been fighting for over a year now. Never been hospitalized until now. It looks bad.
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freaking crazy. I hate country music, so we were safe, but this happened 5 minutes from my house.
The were jumping the fence to the airport and still getting shot. Needless to say the airport was shut down.
The irony is I need get on a flight pretty damn soon. My mom in south carolina went into ICU last night. Some of you know she's been fighting for over a year now. Never been hospitalized until now. It looks bad.
glad you're safe and sound. Good luck with your mom. :)
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freaking crazy. I hate country music, so we were safe, but this happened 5 minutes from my house.
The were jumping the fence to the airport and still getting shot. Needless to say the airport was shut down.
The irony is I need get on a flight pretty damn soon. My mom in south carolina went into ICU last night. Some of you know she's been fighting for over a year now. Never been hospitalized until now. It looks bad.
Glad to hear you're safe. Best wishes in the situation with your mother.
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freaking crazy. I hate country music, so we were safe, but this happened 5 minutes from my house.
The were jumping the fence to the airport and still getting shot. Needless to say the airport was shut down.
The irony is I need get on a flight pretty damn soon. My mom in south carolina went into ICU last night. Some of you know she's been fighting for over a year now. Never been hospitalized until now. It looks bad.
Damn man. Glad you and the misses are safe and I really hope your mom recovers. All the best to you and your family.
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freaking crazy. I hate country music, so we were safe, but this happened 5 minutes from my house.
The were jumping the fence to the airport and still getting shot. Needless to say the airport was shut down.
The irony is I need get on a flight pretty damn soon. My mom in south carolina went into ICU last night. Some of you know she's been fighting for over a year now. Never been hospitalized until now. It looks bad.
Glad you're ok and I hope your Mom gets better.
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shots fired at USC
Shelley SmithVerified account @ShelleyESPN · 6m6 minutes ago
At usc... active shooter on campus. A bunch of us huddled safely.
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shots fired at USC
False alarm.
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freaking crazy. I hate country music, so we were safe, but this happened 5 minutes from my house.
The were jumping the fence to the airport and still getting shot. Needless to say the airport was shut down.
The irony is I need get on a flight pretty damn soon. My mom in south carolina went into ICU last night. Some of you know she's been fighting for over a year now. Never been hospitalized until now. It looks bad.
Sorry to hear, good luck.
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I just read that it actually took police 72 minutes to find and get into his room from the time of the first 911 call. Holy excrement, this could have been even worse than it was.
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I just read that it actually took police 72 minutes to find and get into his room from the time of the first 911 call. Holy excrement, this could have been even worse than it was.
On the flip side I think 72 minutes is a really damn long time. If this guy knew what he was doing the count could have ever been cranked up significantly
I mean the police need to think of their safety and formulate a plan. But there's gotta be a way to have a quicker initial response
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On the flip side I think 72 minutes is a really damn long time. If this guy knew what he was doing the count could have ever been cranked up significantly
I mean the police need to think of their safety and formulate a plan. But there's gotta be a way to have a quicker initial response
Pretty sure he knew what he was doing - he was on the 32nd floor of a hotel, spraying with an automatic weapon did far more damage than any kind of precision shooting would have. He couldn't have hit over 600 people any other way.
As for why it took so long, I imagine it took quite some time to figure out where he was shooting from. I imagine that finding a guy with an automatic rifle and a flash suppressor in that sort of vantage point is extremely difficult, I don't think the police have much to be blamed for here.
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Here you go - imagine it's also night, with all of the lights and sounds of the Strip and the concert stage:
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Here you go - imagine it's also night, with all of the lights and sounds of the Strip and the concert stage:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gBrf-kWeMyU/WdKkIFZBxHI/AAAAAAAABNY/Jo6PXgNB3gw4c3ksg2v14XBujXjq16C2gCL0BGAYYCw/h2250/2017-10-02.png)
There was a secondary hole around the corner to the left. Both holes were pretty damn big, but yeah, you wouldn't be able to see excrement at night.
The logistics are intetesting. He was firing from accross the strip. Take into account he was 32 floors up. He was over a football field from his victims. And he was still hitting people jumping the fence to the airport. That's another 50 yards right there.
And yeah, the airlines doubled their rates since yesterday. SMH
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There was a secondary hole around the corner to the left. Both holes were pretty damn big, but yeah, you wouldn't be able to see excrement at night.
The logistics are intetesting. He was firing from accross the strip. Take into account he was 32 floors up. He was over a football field from his victims. And he was still hitting people jumping the fence to the airport. That's another 50 yards right there.
And yeah, the airlines doubled their rates since yesterday. SMH
The power of a fully automatic weapon. Spray, reload, repeat.
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I haven't seen it confirmed, but I saw a story that the police only figured out where he was when the amount of smoke from his weapons set off the fire alarm in his room. I can't imagine how many bullets he fired off.
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On the flip side I think 72 minutes is a really damn long time. If this guy knew what he was doing the count could have ever been cranked up significantly
I mean the police need to think of their safety and formulate a plan. But there's gotta be a way to have a quicker initial response
How is that the flip side?
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How is that the flip side?
I was at the pub
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I was at the pub
Lol.
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The power of a fully automatic weapon. Spray, reload, repeat.
The person that modded his ar15 needs to be tried for 59 counts of murder.
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I haven't seen it confirmed, but I saw a story that the police only figured out where he was when the amount of smoke from his weapons set off the fire alarm in his room. I can't imagine how many bullets he fired off.
Fire alarm is false.
A small group of cops determined where the shots were coming from and hit mandalay. The went floor by floor until they found him. He put up a fight but swat got him. I'm guessing sniper rifle from the ground, but who the hell knows yet.
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Fire alarm is false.
A small group of cops determined where the shots were coming from and hit mandalay. The went floor by floor until they found him. He put up a fight but swat got him. I'm guessing sniper rifle from the ground, but who the hell knows yet.
Everything I read said they found him dead when they went in and he likely committed suicide before they got there. Has that changed?
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Also, the guy was a millionaire with a girlfriend, with literally nothing on him as far as priors. Not sick, no apparent reason to be pissed off.
All I can figure is he just wanted to kill some Trump voters.
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Everything I read said they found him dead when they went in and he likely committed suicide. Has that changed?
Yes. That's what I heard originally as well, but the story is evolving.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/10/02/raiders-nfl-donate-to-las-vegas-victims-fund/
The Raiders and NFL only donate $50k a piece? WTF?
The UFC donated $1mm
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Crazed lone wolf, or evil brainwashed religious fundamentalist? We wait with bated breath to see which narrative we get to enjoy this time.....
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html
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Our President will interrupt golfing in Japan to comment....
If and only if the shooter is identified as an immigrant Muslim
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27 people dead, 30 injured.
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27 people dead, 30 injured.
That can't be right, I've been repeatedly told that fatal mass shootings only happen in places where people aren't allowed to carry guns.
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Crazed lone wolf, or evil brainwashed religious fundamentalist? We wait with bated breath to see which narrative we get to enjoy this time.....
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/texas-church-shooting/index.html
Obviously crazed lone wolf, based on geography and demographics.
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Obviously crazed lone wolf, based on geography and demographics.
Plot twist: Illegal Mexican.
I'm kidding, who knows.
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Plot twist: Illegal Mexican.
I'm kidding, who knows.
The shooter has been dead for several hours, so police know his identity or at least his ethnicity. If he was brown and had a long beard, the Dickhead-In-Chief would have been raging about it on Twitter by now.
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26 year old white male identified as Devin Patrick.
Posted pic of his AR 15 on social media earlier.
Sorry Donnie boy. Appears to be more like one of your base than some evil islamic immigrant guy for you to ragetweet about
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Ex USAF, taught Bible study classes. Walked into the church in full combat gear and started shooting.
Crazed lone wolf confirmed. Main issue is lack of armed congregation members. Probably Hillary and Obama's fault.
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either let everyone carry a gun, or no one. Tired of innoncent people getting slaughtered.
At least if everyone has a gun, they can defend themselves.
Personally, I would prefer that guns were completely outlawed.
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26 year old white male identified as Devin Patrick.
Posted pic of his AR 15 on social media earlier.
Sorry Donnie boy. Appears to be more like one of your base than some evil islamic immigrant guy for you to ragetweet about
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But is he Muslim?
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But is he Muslim?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus#ixzz4xbPOYQSB
Doesn't appear to be
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus#ixzz4xbPOYQSB
Doesn't appear to be
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He could be whuslim.
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All the usual rumors abound. He is alt left antifa, redneck with guns, racist. We'll see soon enough. freaking sick to know there are parents who lost a 2 year old in church of all places.
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Antifa soldier confirmed, sorry sg3
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Antifa soldier confirmed, sorry sg3
False, of course.
Antifa, Muslim, Sanders supporter all BS spread by Putin BOTS on Twitter and RWNJ media like Breitbart, Newsmax, OAN and FauxNews
Facts:
26 yr.old dishonorably discharged white guy from Texas with a AR15 automatic weapon
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Antifa sounds like an aggressive lesbian group.
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Facts:
26 yr.old dishonorably discharged white guy from Texas with a AR15 automatic weapon
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Sounds like an InfoWars fan.
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Sounds like an InfoWars fan.
He looks like someone who spends an unhealthy amount of time on 4chan and Call Of Duty.
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False, of course.
Antifa, Muslim, Sanders supporter all BS spread by Putin BOTS on Twitter and RWNJ media like Breitbart, Newsmax, OAN and FauxNews
Facts:
26 yr.old dishonorably discharged white guy from Texas with a AR15 automatic weapon
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Isn’t it illegal for a dishonorably discharged veteran to purchase a firearm?
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Isn’t it illegal for a dishonorably discharged veteran to purchase a firearm?
Probably not in a rathole like TX
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Isn’t it illegal for a dishonorably discharged veteran to purchase a firearm?
He was court marshaled for assault, so it was illegal for him to purchase a firearm.
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He was court marshaled for assault, so it was illegal for him to purchase a firearm.
I have to imagine that there is a bit of drama going on in that gun store today
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I have to imagine that there is a bit of drama going on in that gun store today
The state of Texas denied him a firearm's license, yet he walked into an Academy Sports and purchased an assault rifle.
Baffling.
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When Kelley filled out the background check paperwork at the store, he checked the box to indicate he didn't have disqualifying criminal history, the official said. He listed an address in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he bought the rifle, the official said
But we don't need strict gun laws...
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But we don't need strict gun laws...
How can that be? Doesn’t a background check delve into your criminal history no matter what box you check?
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http://thehill.com/homenews/news/359037-air-force-says-it-failed-to-enter-texas-gunmans-court-martial-into-database
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"Lapse in background check database allowed Texan church gunman to buy weapons: Pentagon" - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-shooting/lapse-in-background-check-database-allowed-texan-church-gunman-to-buy-weapons-pentagon-idUSKBN1D715Q
The man who committed the deadliest mass shooting in Texas history was able to buy guns legally from a sporting goods store because a prior domestic violence conviction was never entered into an FBI database used in background checks, officials said.
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The Air Force also acknowledged that it had failed to transmit information about Kelley's conviction to the National Criminal Information Center (NCIC) system, a U.S. government data bank used by licensed firearms dealers to check prospective gun buyers for criminal backgrounds.
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Nice work guys. Doesn’t sounds like those procedures/paperwork are important at all. The article I posted says this guy was court martialed for cracking open his baby’s skull, how the freak do you not take the preventative measures to make sure this bundle of sticks is accounted for?
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He looks like someone who spends an unhealthy amount of time on 4chan and Call Of Duty.
Yeah, that's what I said.
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Yeah, that's what I said.
Antifa soldier confirmed
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http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/11/07/gunman-checked-each-aisle-shot-babies-at-point-blank-range/
Someday maybe we'll find a way to delete people like this from general society. I don't know how the hell you can fix someone that has the capacity to do this.
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http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/11/07/gunman-checked-each-aisle-shot-babies-at-point-blank-range/
Someday maybe we'll find a way to delete people like this from general society. I don't know how the hell you can fix someone that has the capacity to do this.
They seem to have a tendency to delete themselves pretty shortly afterwards.
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All of the tweeting of false BS about Antifa, Bernie supporter, Hillary voter etc sprang up like wildfire on Twitter from fake Putin bot and Trumpkin supporter accounts immediately after his identity was revealed.
And, sadly also from SFD here
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All of the tweeting of false BS about Antifa, Bernie supporter, Hillary voter etc sprang up like wildfire on Twitter from fake Putin bot and Trumpkin supporter accounts immediately after his identity was revealed.
And, sadly also from SFD here
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I read it on Facebook, blame it on the Russian hackers.
Sadly!
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I read it on Facebook, blame it on the Russian hackers.
Sadly!
Your refreshing honesty is appreciated
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Dylan Roof sentenced to death
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Dylan Roof sentenced to death
Good
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Dylan Roof sentenced to death
I'm opposed to the death penalty as a point of principle, but I find it very hard to give a freak in this case.
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I'm opposed to the death penalty as a point of principle, but I find it very hard to give a freak in this case.
Depends on the punishment. If he's getting daily beatings and assfuckings then it's alright by me, but just dealt penalty is a bit different.
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I'm opposed to the death penalty as a point of principle, but I find it very hard to give a freak in this case.
I am completely opposed to the death penalty. I'd rather they just get (their short derriere) life committed to general population.
Much cheaper.
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I am completely opposed to the death penalty. I'd rather they just get (their short derriere) life committed to general population.
Much cheaper.
Is life in prison cheaper than the death penalty? Assuming they survive in prison. Especially for a young kid who you'd expect to live for quite a while barring getting killed in prison. Legit question. I don't know the costs of the death penalty and all that leads up to it vs. long-term prison costs.
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Is life in prison cheaper than the death penalty? Assuming they survive in prison. Especially for a young kid who you'd expect to live for quite a while barring getting killed in prison. Legit question. I don't know the costs of the death penalty and all that leads up to it vs. long-term prison costs.
I've seen it said a lot that it's more expensive to execute someone, but I think that takes into account all the appeals they can go through before the actual execution.
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The death penalty sucks. Life without hope of parole is much better and generally offers less protection for the convict.
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Can you imagine Roof having to go to a regular prison in general pop? That would be way better than the death penalty or life without parole. He goes to prison, gets shanked and beaten to death by 10 angry black dudes, and we no longer have to worry about him or pay for his sentence.
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Can you imagine Roof having to go to a regular prison in general pop? That would be way better than the death penalty or life without parole. He goes to prison, gets shanked and beaten to death by 10 angry black dudes, and we no longer have to worry about him or pay for his sentence.
I can't imagine they put him in general population due to safety reasons, but I'm no expert on jail.
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I can't imagine they put him in general population due to safety reasons, but I'm no expert on jail.
Nah they definitely wouldn't put him there, just thought it would be great.
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If Roof was in gen pop the aryans would probably protect him.
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If Roof was in gen pop the aryans would probably protect him.
I've never been to prison but I suspect it isn't like every prison movie you've ever watched.
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I've never been to prison but I suspect it isn't like every prison movie you've ever watched.
Did a quick google search and found that the Aryan Brotherhood represents only about 0.1% of the prison population.
Probably not enough of them to protect Roof.
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I've never been to prison but I suspect it isn't like every prison movie you've ever watched.
Yeah I know, that's why there are Jews in the aryan brotherhood. People will do anything to survive in jail.
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https://twitter.com/chenueher/status/928710206770606080
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Jesus that guy is a loon.
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There is a 100% chance he fucks those dolls.
Also it would be hilarious if someone did break into his "fortress" and destroyed all his excrement.
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There is a 100% chance he fucks those dolls.
Also it would be hilarious if someone did break into his "fortress" and destroyed all his excrement.
This
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tehama-county-california-shooting-leaves-three-dead-near-school-n820766
In other news, Scott Walker just signed legislation removing the age limit on how old children have to be before they can legally use firearms.
You people are silly.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tehama-county-california-shooting-leaves-three-dead-near-school-n820766
In other news, Scott Walker just signed legislation removing the age limit on how old children have to be before they can legally use firearms.
You people are silly.
This is how the US thins the herd. #naturalselection
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tehama-county-california-shooting-leaves-three-dead-near-school-n820766
In other news, Scott Walker just signed legislation removing the age limit on how old children have to be before they can legally use firearms.
Some of you people are silly.
Minor correction.
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Minor correction.
Nah, I was right first time. Like the great comedian Jerry Sadowitz said when he stepped on stage in Montreal, "Hello moosefuckers! Let me tell you why I hate Canada. Half of you speak French, and the other half let them."
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Every time I see this thread bumped I open it hoping that a crazed gunman snuck into Foxboro and took out a bunch if Pats starting with Beli, Gronk and Brady
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Every time I see this thread bumped I open it hoping that a crazed gunman snuck into Foxboro and took out a bunch if Pats starting with Beli, Gronk and Brady
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When that happens it will be in the lolPats thread.
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If only you had more guns.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/14/florida-high-school-under-lockdown-after-reports-shooter-victims-police-say.html
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17 dead...absolutely terrible
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disgusting.
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Queue that one Onion article. FFS.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/fox5vegas/status/963886021220868096?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Eother%7Ctwcon%5E7100%7Ctwterm%5E0
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Do you guys have a set limit of kids that need to die before addressing your gun laws? The rest of the world would like to know.
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Do you guys have a set limit of kids that need to die before addressing your gun laws? The rest of the world would like to know.
If Sandy Hook and Vegas didn't make a difference, this will be forgotten before the weekend.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/04/opinion/thoughts-prayers-nra-funding-senators.html
Vote Republican. Vote for dead children.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/national/fbi-warned-cruz-professional-school-shooter-plans-months-article-1.3822163#click=https://t.co/VPzQ3o4ibw
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https://twitter.com/chaddiedabaddie/status/963906423880118273
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http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/national/fbi-warned-cruz-professional-school-shooter-plans-months-article-1.3822163#click=https://t.co/VPzQ3o4ibw
If the FBI followed up every douchebag comment on the internet then the entire agency's budget would be dedicated to doing nothing but reading Reddit and YouTube comments.
Appreciate the efforts by the NYDN to make it a problem of mental health and the failure of law enforcement though, they're really getting out of the gate early on this one. I guess when you've written the same bullshit justifications enough times you can just start cutting and pasting.
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Nothing will change
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Nothing will change
when do the shooters upgrade to bazookas?
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I don't expect any Republicans in Congress to recommend any changes to our current gun laws if they care about getting re-elected. It would be nice to see a Republican go out in a blaze of glory against the NRA's pull.
This would be a perfect opportunity for Trump to make a statement about addressing meaningful change to gun laws. If there was ever anyone who wasn't too worried about the backlash when he really wants to do something, it's him. He has 3 years left as the president (assuming he doesn't get impeached or kick the bucket) and there is no one else in the party that would stand a chance to win in 2020 so they can only bash him so much. It would be a chance for him to garner at least a tiny bit of popular support from the other side. What would the NRA do if Trump came out and said "we need to make changes to these gun laws, we can't keep doing this"? Would they support a democrat in 2020 (lol)? It's Trump or bust for the Republicans in 2020 so the NRA would have to eat a nice excrement sandwich and recommend Trump no matter what.
But it will never happen. Trump will just do nothing or worse yet, make some stupid statement about not taking muh guns. As many have said, there is a reason that the US leads the world in this type of violence.
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when do the shooters upgrade to bazookas?
That's one of the key pillars of the NRA's 2018 Marketing Strategy:
- Make it easier for the mentally ill to purchase firearms (check)
- Make it easier for children to own and/or access firearms (check)
- Remove gun free zones and ensure that teachers, professors, baristas and anyone else serving in a professional function is armed (in progress)
- Increase the firepower available to shooters as a response to the previous point (to be actioned)
And people keep voting for this excrement.
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Let's remember that Trump signed a bill last year, sponsored and voted for by Republicans, to remove Obama era restrictions on the mentally ill buying firearms:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
I don't know if Nikolas Cruz was considered mentally ill prior to yesterday's events. I wonder whether the next one will be? Maybe that will be the one that will make voters finally say "wait a minute, perhaps an industry lobby whose sole interest is selling more of its product isn't actually the right organisation to be writing policy relating to that product, and maybe we shouldn't be voting for people whose campaigns are bankrolled by that industry lobby just in case they're asked to actually return the favour at some point".
I'm not holding my breath.
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And it sounds like there were 1-2 armed guards at this school.
Why don't we just send in the national guard at every school?
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Why don't we just send in the national guard at every school?
At my last school, we had one student resource officer for a school of almost one thousand students. One guy.
This is a state trooper specifically trained for Code Red situations. The guy was a lazy, overweight knucklehead that was usually nowhere to be found if any act of violence took place. He'd always very conveniently stroll up to the aftermath of a fight after teachers and administrators had calmed the situation. It's a waste of state resources and no one felt safer because of his presence.
Even if you had a super cop in a situation like the one that happened yesterday, he/she is not preventing most of that damage from happening. Too many people, too much chaos and the armed guards aren't equipped to combat a modified assault weapon or smoke grenades.
I'm so sick and tired of the narrative that guns don't kill people, people kill people. We are paranoid at work because of terrorist attacks like this. This was a planned assault. I don't give a damn if that kid is troubled or depressed or whatever the hell else excuse they're using this time. This does not happen if assault weapons are unavailable.
There has been a school shooting every other day in America this year and it's only February.
Something has to be done, but nothing will change.
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Former Republican Congressman David Jolly on CNN Tonight yesterday:
“The idea of gun policy in the Republican Party is to try to get a speaking slot at the NRA and prove to that constituency that you’re further right than generations past of Republicans have been on guns.”
Senator Chris Murphy (D-Conn) in Senate today:
"This happens nowhere else other than the United States of America — this epidemic of mass slaughter. It only happens here not because of coincidence, not because of bad luck, but as a consequence of our inaction. We are responsible for a level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with zero parallel anywhere else."
I keep hearing people say "nothing will change", but that's because you keep voting for the people the NRA tells you to vote for. The NRA even conveniently give you a scoring system to tell you who they consider to be the most and least gun-friendly candidates - use it.
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I hope Chris Murphy runs in 2020.
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I keep hearing people say "nothing will change", but that's because you keep voting for the people the NRA tells you to vote for.
"you"
The southern United States is a hell of a place.
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"you"
The southern United States is a hell of a place.
Sorry, that wasn't aimed specifically at you or anyone on here. "You" as in America.
It's not just the south though, is it? Aren't California and New Hampshire and pretty much the whole of the Mid West also in love with their firearms?
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It's not just the south though, is it?
No, it's not. But it's far less progressive down here than California or New Hampshire. I don't know a damn thing about Iowa or Nebraska and I have no urge to go there, but I feel like those states would have a very similar feel.
The amount of idiocy that I've seen and heard here about school shootings is just disgusting.
"Arm the teachers! That'll stop 'em!"
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AP is now reporting that Cruz was a member of a white nationalist group called Republic Of Florida, although it sounds more like some tinpot mob trying to get a bit of brand recognition than any particular claim of responsibility.
The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee.
Jordan Jereb told The Associated Press on Thursday that his group, the Republic of Florida, wants Florida to become its own white ethno-state. He said his group holds “spontaneous random demonstrations” and tries not to participate in the modern world.
Jereb said he didn’t know Cruz personally and that “he acted on his own behalf of what he just did and he’s solely responsible for what he just did.”
He also said he had “trouble with a girl” and he believed the timing of the attack, carried out on Valentine’s Day, wasn’t a coincidence.
https://apnews.com/892a28db92924e2faa15e7b90a5b843f
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Do you guys have a set limit of kids that need to die before addressing your gun laws? The rest of the world would like to know.
We haven't hit our deductible yet.
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Do you guys have a set limit of kids that need to die before addressing your gun laws? The rest of the world would like to know.
"Nope, there are already 1MM assault rifles in circulation in the US. What would a law preventing the purchase of them do?" - Marco Rubio
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"Nope, there are already 1MM assault rifles in circulation in the US. What would a law preventing the purchase of them do?" - Marco Rubio
"That's 299M potential customer opportunities we've yet to capitalise on!" - The NRA, probably
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"That's 299M potential customer opportunities we've yet to capitalise on!" - The NRA, probably
I get the premise of the argument, and it does hold some weight, but does he mean that 1,010,000 assault rifles isn't any worse than 1,000,000?
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I get the premise of the argument, and it does hold some weight, but does he mean that 1,010,000 assault rifles isn't any worse than 1,000,000?
I am assuming it's predicated upon the age old and still completely ludicrous premise that if other people have guns then it's safer if you do too, and as it's impossible to take a lot of the existing inventory out of circulation whatchagonnado?
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So pulling back into port today after a week underway and we get yelled at over one of out communications channels for not having the flag at half mast as we enter port. Imagine how freaking delighted I was when I fogured out the reason. Holy excrement, I’ll happily volunteer for the team that has to tale all of the rednecks’ guns.
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The 18 shootings in 48 days myth is about as factually correct as the story the ADL put out (because they used 4CHAN as a freaking source), that the jerkoff was a part of some far-right militia. But I digress.
Forget all of the hysterics and hyperbole, what I'd like to know is what specific policy positions do you have in mind that would strike the balance between an individuals right to bare arms and the safety and security you all seek. Because I hate to tell some of this to you, but just indiscriminately grabbing everyones guns isn't a realistic position.
As we learned from the war on drugs, banning something isn't going to keep it out of the hands of a motivated purchaser.
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The 18 shootings in 48 days myth is about as factually correct as the story the ADL put out (because they used 4CHAN as a freaking source), that the jerkoff was a part of some far-right militia. But I digress.
Forget all of the hysterics and hyperbole, what I'd like to know is what specific policy positions do you have in mind that would strike the balance between an individuals right to bare arms and the safety and security you all seek. Because I hate to tell some of this to you, but just indiscriminately grabbing everyones guns isn't a realistic position.
As we learned from the war on drugs, banning something isn't going to keep it out of the hands of a motivated purchaser.
While I do agree that taking back guns will never happen in the US. I dont think banning guns and prohibition is the same.
Look at the crime and gun violence in NYC over the past 30 years. You barely ever hear about gun issues. I understand a densely populated area is much easier to patrol and enforce, but it doesn't mean that really harsh laws wouldn't stop assault rifles from being kept at home.
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The 18 shootings in 48 days myth is about as factually correct as the story the ADL put out (because they used 4CHAN as a freaking source), that the jerkoff was a part of some far-right militia. But I digress.
Forget all of the hysterics and hyperbole, what I'd like to know is what specific policy positions do you have in mind that would strike the balance between an individuals right to bare arms and the safety and security you all seek. Because I hate to tell some of this to you, but just indiscriminately grabbing everyones guns isn't a realistic position.
As we learned from the war on drugs, banning something isn't going to keep it out of the hands of a motivated purchaser.
Except that the vast majority of mass shootings happen using legally purchased firearms. And anyway, firearms and drugs are completely different markets, buyers and motivations.
Operate an amnesty and/or buyback program as every other country that has outlawed private ownership of firearms has, and you'll take a shitload more off the street.
My biggest issue with your post though is this:
"what specific policy positions do you have in mind that would strike the balance between an individuals right to bare arms and the safety and security you all seek"
Er, none. Because the fallacy of 2A doing anything positive for safety and security is utter horseshit and it's the refusal to face up to that irrefutable fact that is behind the crisis that you are facing. Stop trying to find an unattainable "balance", and face down the industry lobby that has spent so much time and money buying your politicians in order to continue profiting from the endless deaths of innocent Americans.
The problem isn't that there's no answer to the questions, it's that you're asking the wrong ones.
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I don’t see how a buyback would work to solve the problem. The only people turning them in would be responsible gun owners. What incentive does a criminal or someone with the intention of shooting up a school have to turn in a gun? They need that much more than the money, especially if they’re operating in a marketplace where it’s harder to get a gun.
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I would be happy if we could start with getting rid of the sale of AR-15s to the public. I haven’t seen an argument that makes even a little sense as to why a civilian should have one.
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I don’t see how a buyback would work to solve the problem. The only people turning them in would be responsible gun owners. What incentive does a criminal or someone with the intention of shooting up a school have to turn in a gun? They need that much more than the money, especially if they’re operating in a marketplace where it’s harder to get a gun.
Again, most of these shootings are done with legally acquired and owned firearms. Does Sandy Hook happen if Mom didn't have an arsenal in her house? I don't know. It would certainly have been far more difficult for a 20 year old shut-in living in a nice town in middle class America to obtain military grade assault weapons.
Pretty much all illegally owned weapons are originally acquired legally. Take legally owned firearms out of circulation, make it illegal to sell them new or used. If you really want, give a special licence to gun clubs allowing them to own and keep such hardware under very restricted conditions, so that enthusiasts can go fire them in controlled conditions. Sure, there will be plenty of people who won't turn in their guns, but now every one of them is illegal. Every one that gets taken off the street now reduces the number in circulation, and isn't being replaced by two more from the gun dealer down the street or the gun show at the weekend.
This isn't a new thing. Pretty much every other developed country in the world has done it already; yours might be a different scale, but it's the same principle. No, you're not going to take the gun out of the hand of every gangbanger and stick up kid, but you're making it much harder for the next Adam Lanza or Nikolas Kruz or Stephen Paddock to reach their manifest destiny.
"Sorry kids, it's just too difficult, I'm afraid that some of you are not going to come home from school one day because daddy needs an assault rifle to make him feel safer" is a pretty bogus argument IMO. You're perpetuating a marketing message.
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I don't see any reason that semi-automatic weapons should be legal for the general public. Why not just make nuclear tipped missles legal while we're at it. "You can't infringe on my right to own this nuke! I use it to hunt rabbits for my family's survival!!" GTFO.
I'm not going to pretend to be some expert on the finer points of the gun laws in the US. I don't own one, don't plan on ever owning one. People tend to get all in a tizzy that making gun ownership something that is responsible and not easily attainable by anyone in 5 minutes is equivalent to "taking muh guns". You don't need a semi-automatic weapon to hunt or defend yourself.
This is not the same world that it was when the 2nd amendment was written. There were no automatic weapons in the 1700's. But you can't tell that to unreasonable people.
As JE mentioned, I have no problem if automatic/semi-automatic weapons were relegated to well-controlled, licensed, facilities where you can fire them until you're little gun-loving heart is content. Hell, put a freaking Howitzer or a flame-thrower in there if you want, I don't care. You want to own an automatic weapon? Great! It's stored at a controlled facility (not your house), you pay to store it safely, and you can go there and shoot the excrement out of paper targets or whatever all you want. You can have unlimited visits to cuddle with it, tell you love it, have sex with it, whatever.
You can never fix the problem 100%. There isn't a country that has never had a gun-related death to my knowledge. That doesn't mean you can't make it much less frequent. There are plenty of countries that have policies that have worked. We are behind the 8 ball because of the sheer amount of guns that are already out there in this country, but you have to start somewhere.
Simple steps:
1. Make the waiting period to purchase a gun longer to allow more thorough background checks- 30 days minimum.
2. Require firearms safety class for anyone to own a gun.
3. Have expiration dates on licenses.
4. All firearms must be registered.
This doesn't fix the issue with firearms already out there but it stems the bleeding.
The 2nd amendment should allow you to own a gun to defend yourself at your home if you know how to use it and aren't unstable. You can own a batshit crazy weapon in a safe, regulated place.
This is impossible to fully enforce perfectly, but dammit you can take steps that make things better. I'm not saying we can have the success that the UK and Canada have, but we can do better than the current US.
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Again, most of these shootings are done with legally acquired and owned firearms. Does Sandy Hook happen if Mom didn't have an arsenal in her house? I don't know. It would certainly have been far more difficult for a 20 year old shut-in living in a nice town in middle class America to obtain military grade assault weapons.
Pretty much all illegally owned weapons are originally acquired legally. Take legally owned firearms out of circulation, make it illegal to sell them new or used. If you really want, give a special licence to gun clubs allowing them to own and keep such hardware under very restricted conditions, so that enthusiasts can go fire them in controlled conditions. Sure, there will be plenty of people who won't turn in their guns, but now every one of them is illegal. Every one that gets taken off the street now reduces the number in circulation, and isn't being replaced by two more from the gun dealer down the street or the gun show at the weekend.
This isn't a new thing. Pretty much every other developed country in the world has done it already; yours might be a different scale, but it's the same principle. No, you're not going to take the gun out of the hand of every gangbanger and stick up kid, but you're making it much harder for the next Adam Lanza or Nikolas Kruz or Stephen Paddock to reach their manifest destiny.
"Sorry kids, it's just too difficult, I'm afraid that some of you are not going to come home from school one day because daddy needs an assault rifle to make him feel safer" is a pretty bogus argument IMO. You're perpetuating a marketing message.
I personally don’t have a problem with any of this. I’m not saying what you propose wouldn’t help, I just think it’s unrealistic (which you know).
You think American want guns because of NRA and political marketing? I think the people that want guns are going to want guns no matter what and support/fund the politicians/NRA, not the other way around. The NRA wouldn’t be so powerful if there weren’t millions of passionate gun nuts supporting them.
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I personally don’t have a problem with any of this. I’m not saying what you propose wouldn’t help, I just think it’s unrealistic (which you know).
You think American want guns because of NRA and political marketing? I think the people that want guns are going to want guns no matter what and support/fund the politicians/NRA, not the other way around. The NRA wouldn’t be so powerful if there weren’t millions of passionate gun nuts supporting them.
I think people want guns for a number of reasons, but a huge amount I am sure are purchased as "personal protection" because they've bought into the NRA marketing of the boogeyman climbing through their window in the dead of night. I'm also pretty sure that a not insignificant number harbour a hero fantasy that involves them bravely bringing down Osama with their hardware store 9mm.
We know, from things like facts, that the chances of you achieving either of these things are overwhelmingly outweighed by the likelihood of you and/or a loved one being killed or seriously injured with your legally purchased firearm, but it doesn't stop people buying into the marketing.
I have no problem with firearms that are used for hunting and livestock protection, but those aren't AR-15s and Glocks. They're shotguns and long rifles, which are highly available in countries with strict gun control laws like Canada, the UK and Australia. I also have no problem with enthusiasts owning and shooting military hardware in the controlled environment of a gun club, as long as those weapons stay there. Just go to Youtube and put "open carry" in the search bar to see countless fat wannabe soldiers deliberately courting conflict, fear and intimidation by walking around with a military rifle slung over their back, and ask yourself whether those people and their views are what you want to see continued to be enshrined in your legislation.
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Bundy freaking Ranch.
it really is that simple.
arms keep governments at bay.
And by last account Americans own 40% of the worlds privately held firearms.
Federalist 46.
still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties,
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and yes, right here in the good ole U.S. of A. we are discovering that the Federal Government tried to rig an election, like some third rate banana republic.
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I would be happy if we could start with getting rid of the sale of AR-15s to the public. I haven’t seen an argument that makes even a little sense as to why a civilian should have one.
There's a significant number of people out there who would think this opinion makes you a gun-grabbing librul.
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There's a significant number of people out there who would think this opinion makes you a gun-grabbing librul.
Let's be clear, there's a perfectly good argument for why people should be allowed to have an assault rifle. It's because firing them is awesome fun.
There's nothing wrong with accepting that argument, as long as you also accept that the arguments as to why people shouldn't be allowed to own an assault rifle massively outweigh it.
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There's a significant number of people out there who would think this opinion makes you a gun-grabbing librul.
That’s my problem with politics in general. This system is geared toward having extreme views. People/opinions in the middle barely register as a blip on the radar.
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That’s my problem with politics in general. This system is geared toward having extreme views. People/opinions in the middle barely register as a blip on the radar.
It didn't always used to be that way. Karl Rove and Rupert Murdoch were the key architects of the current venomous partisanship that increasingly dominates all political conversations. The system itself isn't the problem, the way it has been corrupted to suit partisan purposes is.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/chet_cannon/status/964234637760389121?s=12
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It didn't always used to be that way. Karl Rove and Rupert Murdoch were the key architects of the current venomous partisanship that increasingly dominates all political conversations. The system itself isn't the problem, the way it has been corrupted to suit partisan purposes is.
Duuuude...Seriously?
Jefferson v. Adams, 1800: Attack of the Personal Attacks!
Remember those founding fathers, so brilliant, so inspirational? They were also mean. Jefferson was accused of being pro-French and running a “Congo harem” out of Monticello. Adams was accused of conspiring to marry his daughter off to the British king’s family, in order to establish a royal bloodline. Also, foes said he had smuggled British prostitutes across the Atlantic to serve his needs.
Andrew Jackson v. John Quincy Adams, 1828: Swift Boats + Birtherism!
Jackson was accused of murdering defectors in the War of 1812 — charges laid out in what becomes known as the “Coffin Handbill.” He was also accused of having an illegitimate marriage, because his wife, Rachel, had been divorced. Meanwhile, Jackson supporters accused Adams of serving as a pimp for the Russian czar. Jackson won, but Rachel died before the election, likely of a heart attack. Jackson believed the election had broken her heart.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/10/08/partisan-politics-take-look-century/04FsP1WkuqPNEUioPSqpUP/story.html
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Duuuude...Seriously?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/10/08/partisan-politics-take-look-century/04FsP1WkuqPNEUioPSqpUP/story.html
He's not from here, he doesn't know anything about it.
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Duuuude...Seriously?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/10/08/partisan-politics-take-look-century/04FsP1WkuqPNEUioPSqpUP/story.html
It appears that your time away has done freak all for your intelligence or your reading comprehension. Maybe next time you take a sabbatical try spending some time in a library rather than turning tricks out back of a truck stop? The latter might pay better but the former will make you a smarter person.
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If someone who is pro-choice is a baby killer, anyone who supports guns being in the hands of civilians is a child murderer. But then again, it's the same side that tries to get child molesters elected and puts rapists in the White House. Good ol' Conservatism, motherfuckers!
The idea that civilian guns keep a government in check is utterly ridiculous and no longer worth responding to other than "The US government levels towns in the Middle East with unmanned drones. Your guns aren't protecting you. Please proceed to STFU."
The government should offer one year of amnesty. We'll buy back all of your weapons if you turn them in--including all ammunition. After that, anything apart from simple shotguns and single shot rifles are illegal, and if you are caught with one, you'll face the possibility of jail time and massive fines.
People used to argue that you couldn't force people to wear seat belts. Or that nothing was ever going to stop a smoker from smoking. You know how it all changed? Cigarette taxes made it prohibitive to start or continue. Click it or ticket made it cost prohibitive to drive without a seatbelt. Do people still smoke and drive without a seatbelt? Yup. Is the number drastically reduced? Yup.
Children are being murdered and the answer from the right is "Well you can't close Pandora's box y'all!" freak. YOU.
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The government should offer one year of amnesty. We'll buy back all of your weapons if you turn them in--including all ammunition.
I agree with you about guns, but I wonder what the cost of buying them back would be to the government/taxpayer. i have no idea. What do you do with all that excrement afterwards? Melt it down? Give it to the military?
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I agree with you about guns, but I wonder what the cost of buying them back would be to the government/taxpayer. i have no idea. What do you do with all that excrement afterwards? Melt it down? Give it to the military?
I would say it would all become the property of the military. That would make the most sense. As for the cost, screw it. The government pisses away our tax money all the time, at least this I could look at as "we're saving children's lives, I'll foot the bill."
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I would say it would all become the property of the military. That would make the most sense. As for the cost, screw it. The government pisses away our tax money all the time, at least this I could look at as "we're saving children's lives, I'll foot the bill."
That sounds great to say, but you have to know the cost.
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I agree with you about guns, but I wonder what the cost of buying them back would be to the government/taxpayer. i have no idea. What do you do with all that excrement afterwards? Melt it down? Give it to the military?
Sell it to tinpot dictators and revolutionary armies, the same way you have for decades.
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That sounds great to say, but you have to know the cost.
Or what? We just let people keep their guns and offer free thoughts and prayers next time a school shooting happens?
Yes, you can be sure it'll be an expensive program. At this point, drastic times call for drastic measures.
Given the choice, I'd just flat out make all firearms illegal and call it a day. No refunds, no exchanges. Just drop off your armory and be glad we're not sending in the ATF to take it all by force. But that would cross over both the right to bear arms and the prohibition against illegal search and seizure.
Maybe money can be saved with the idea of locking your weapons at the gun range with no option to remove it from the premises. I'd be okay with that idea as part of the overall plan, but that's about it. Owners would have to sign out the weapon while at the club, and sign it back in before they leave. No exceptions.
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Serious answer: put the cost on the weapons manufacturers, and tell them that the bill for the repatriation and destruction of surrendered military hardware is the price they're paying if they want to be considered for any future military and public supply contracts. They've had no problem handing billions of dollars to the NRA for countless years to finance lobbying, it's time to pay the piper with a small portion of the vast amounts of money they've made at the cost of hundreds of thousands of innocents lives.
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Or what? We just let people keep their guns and offer free thoughts and prayers next time a school shooting happens?
Yes, you can be sure it'll be an expensive program. At this point, drastic times call for drastic measures.
Given the choice, I'd just flat out make all firearms illegal and call it a day. No refunds, no exchanges. Just drop off your armory and be glad we're not sending in the ATF to take it all by force. But that would cross over both the right to bear arms and the prohibition against illegal search and seizure.
Maybe money can be saved with the idea of locking your weapons at the gun range with no option to remove it from the premises. I'd be okay with that idea as part of the overall plan, but that's about it. Owners would have to sign out the weapon while at the club, and sign it back in before they leave. No exceptions.
I'm just saying you can't go blindly into it. Same thing for health insurance. Even the leftiest of lefties looks at the costs of insurance programs before proposing any laws.
Personally I don't give 2 shits about guns and wouldn't care if they were all gone.
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Serious answer: put the cost on the weapons manufacturers, and tell them that the bill for the repatriation and destruction of surrendered military hardware is the price they're paying if they want to be considered for any future military and public supply contracts. They've had no problem handing billions of dollars to the NRA for countless years to finance lobbying, it's time to pay the piper with a small portion of the vast amounts of money they've made at the cost of hundreds of thousands of innocents lives.
This seems like a fair plan.
I'm just saying you can't go blindly into it. Same thing for health insurance. Even the leftiest of lefties looks at the costs of insurance programs before proposing any laws.
Personally I don't give 2 shits about guns and would't care if they were all gone.
Sure, it's not a "snap your fingers and presto we're fixed" situation. But the reality is, we have to do something. And not just talking about it. The time for "reasonable" conversation is over. The opportunity was the multiple previous mass executions. Now it's time to go all-in on solutions, even if that upsets some numbskulls who desperately want to cling to their AR-15s.
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This seems like a fair plan.
Sure, it's not a "snap your fingers and presto we're fixed" situation. But the reality is, we have to do something. And not just talking about it. The time for "reasonable" conversation is over. The opportunity was the multiple previous mass executions. Now it's time to go all-in on solutions, even if that upsets some numbskulls who desperately want to cling to their AR-15s.
I agree. There should be an assault weapon ban, further extended waiting periods for gun purchases (30 days), safety course to receive license, just as a starting point.
Some people think that because an assault weapon ban won't solve the problem completely (and it won't) means that it isn't something that should be done. We shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good. There is no freaking reason for a civilian to have an assault weapon. I also find it insane to think that adding more guns in a school by arming teachers and staff is a good solution to stopping gun violence. It's a real good idea to have guns in a room with a bunch of students. It only takes one kid to get the gun from the teacher or the janitor.........It's just more opportunities for something bad to happen.
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I also find it insane to think that adding more guns in a school by arming teachers and staff is a good solution to stopping gun violence. It's a real good idea to have guns in a room with a bunch of students. It only takes one kid to get the gun from the teacher or the janitor.........It's just more opportunities for something bad to happen.
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I can't say I'd be thrilled at the prospects of sending my kids to a school where random lunch ladies are armed.
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I can't say I'd be thrilled at the prospects of sending my kids to a school where random lunch ladies are armed.
Libtard cuck. If you lived in America you'd understand.
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Libtard cuck. If you lived in America you'd understand.
When I was in elementary school our lunch ladies didn't need to be armed, they could just sit on me and I'd be McCowned.
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I agree. There should be an assault weapon ban, further extended waiting periods for gun purchases (30 days), safety course to receive license, just as a starting point.
Some people think that because an assault weapon ban won't solve the problem completely (and it won't) means that it isn't something that should be done. We shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good. There is no freaking reason for a civilian to have an assault weapon. I also find it insane to think that adding more guns in a school by arming teachers and staff is a good solution to stopping gun violence. It's a real good idea to have guns in a room with a bunch of students. It only takes one kid to get the gun from the teacher or the janitor.........It's just more opportunities for something bad to happen.
Exactly. That's why nothing gets done anymore. Because every bit of legislation (on both sides) isn't "good enough" if it isn't deemed "perfect."
Like you said, no civilian needs an assault weapon. Once a firearm is capable of firing more than a couple of shots in a minute, it's no longer for protection, it's sole meaning is to take lives as efficiently as possible.
When I was in elementary school our lunch ladies didn't need to be armed, they could just sit on me and I'd be McCowned.
Fantastic.
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https://twitter.com/marcacaputo/status/966801127168716800?s=12
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So let me get this right.
To blame for the Parkland shooting:
- the FBI
- Nikolas Cruz
- the school guard
- gun laws
Not in any way to blame for the Parkland shooting:
- guns
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I would be happy if we could start with getting rid of the sale of AR-15s to the public. I haven’t seen an argument that makes even a little sense as to why a civilian should have one.
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Post not aimed at you. Was a general statement on the usual reaction of parts of the media and the political machine.
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Resource officers are placed in schools because they are not the best police to have on the street.
Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, the one we had when I was in SC was a coward and had very little control over even the smallest incidents.
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That dude is going to have to live with that excrement for the rest of his life. That and I bet he gets death threats.
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I can't say I'd be thrilled at the prospects of sending my kids to a school where random lunch ladies are armed.
Especially since National Gun Problem #1B (or maybe it's 1A) is that the people professionally and extensively trained to carry and use firearms are killing innocent people at a distressing rate.
The people promoting this idea don't really believe in it, though. They've just learned that they need to throw up an idea that'll be debated for a couple of news cycles until everyone moves on and it's back to business as usual. The idea doesn't need to be plausible; in fact, it's better if it isn't. If it isn't implemented, it hasn't failed, and they can trot it out after every shooting as the solution the libs are resisting.
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Resource officers are placed in schools because they are not the best police to have on the street.
Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, the one we had when I was in SC was a coward and had very little control over even the smallest incidents.
Armed deputy resource officer, Scott Peterson sat in his car & never went into the school as he heard shots going off. He did not leave his car until the shooting stopped.
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Resource officers are placed in schools because they are not the best police to have on the street.
Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, the one we had when I was in SC was a coward and had very little control over even the smallest incidents.
I guess they're the "cops" who couldn't even be meter maids.
But that's why you have to arm the teachers. If you want to stop a shooting spree, the only answer is to make it a shootout. Any idiot knows god will protect the righteous.
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Armed deputy resource officer, Scott Peterson sat in his car & never went into the school as he heard shots going off. He did not leave his car until the shooting stopped.
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I guess they're the "cops" who couldn't even be meter maids.
But that's why you have to arm the teachers. If you want to stop a shooting spree, the only answer is to make it a shootout. Any idiot knows god will protect the righteous.
Absolutely. Where the trained and sworn LEO fails in his duty, surely Mrs Mitchell the 3rd grade history teacher who runs the after school cookery club will have no problem pulling out her .45 and going all Dirty Harry on Blasty McDickface with his military grade hardware and his satchel full of ammo.
Seriously though. All that giving the teachers the right and incentive to carry arms in the classroom does is put a target on their chests, because the next shooter who walks into a school is going to aim for them first regardless of whether they're carrying or not.
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When you have a problem with obesity in schools, the solution is to make sure and spread plenty of M&Ms and fudge rounds all around campus.
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When you have a problem with obesity in schools, the solution is to make sure and spread plenty of M&Ms and fudge rounds all around campus.
If everyone is obese then no one is obese!
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When you have a problem with obesity in schools, the solution is to make sure and spread plenty of M&Ms and fudge rounds all around campus.
You're never going to stop people from overeating by taking food away. That's just going to make the obese the only ones who can eat!
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https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/fbi-tip-line-caller-said-nikolas-cruz-is-going-to-explode-1519415442?__twitter_impression=true
Such a poor job on the part of the FBI here.
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https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/fbi-tip-line-caller-said-nikolas-cruz-is-going-to-explode-1519415442?__twitter_impression=true
Such a poor job on the part of the FBI here.
Right. Because assholes are the sole preserve of the USA, and the failure of law enforcement is why they go all shooty blasty in schools.
Maybe let's focus on the actual problem?
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That NRA spokesbint is my new favourite hate freak fantasy. She can suck on my automatic weapon any time.
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(CNN)When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.
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Right. Because assholes are the sole preserve of the USA, and the failure of law enforcement is why they go all shooty blasty in schools.
Maybe let's focus on the actual problem?
Maybe it’s possible to have more than one problem?
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Maybe it’s possible to have more than one problem?
Sure. Like it's possible to have cancer, and a cold, and eczema. So focus on the Sudafed and hydrocortisone cream, right?
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trump couldn't be more wrong when he said that these killers/cowards would think twice if they knew that teachers were armed if he thinks they'd be scared and cower down
the people that commit these types of atrocities are fucked in the head and thoughts like these will not enter their minds or instill fear in them when they are about to do these things.
moreover, from a logical standpoint trump doesn't make any sense. what is the student-teacher ratio in your average school across america...20-30:1? and not every teacher will be armed. how many kids will be gunned down before these shooters run into a single armed teacher, and will that armed teacher be able to stop a crazed killer who has most definitely shot guns before? chances are the teacher will get gunned down too
they go into these acts ready to die, and armed teachers inside wouldn't deter them from committing these acts. they'd probably be seen as a means to their end
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I would say it would all become the property of the military. That would make the most sense.
wat
That sounds great to say, but you have to know the cost.
That's literally the least problematic part of that scenario.
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The teacher thing is one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard, in a year+ of ridiculous ideas. I agree with whoever said it’s just a red herring to distract from meaningful conversation. Completely unsafe and unrealistic.
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The teacher thing is one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard, in a year+ of ridiculous ideas. I agree with whoever said it’s just a red herring to distract from meaningful conversation. Completely unsafe and unrealistic.
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So that’s how Star Wars starts.
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Lol.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180224/03268b49dbbbdf9d1af771c8f9801a46.jpg)
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Also: Chris Kyle was killed by a bad guy with a gun. He was the most decorated sniper in US military history. Therefore, in order to be the good guy with a gun successfully, teachers are going to have to be slightly better than Chris Kyle.
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Trump rips Fla. Deputies for not going into school. "I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon."
Wow what a hero
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Also: Chris Kyle was killed by a bad guy with a gun. He was the most decorated sniper in US military history. Therefore, in order to be the good guy with a gun successfully, teachers are going to have to be slightly better than Chris Kyle.
I saw this tweet go viral the other day. Do you know how Chris Kyle died, without googling it? I don’t remember if they covered that in the movie.
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I saw this tweet go viral the other day. Do you know how Chris Kyle died, without googling it? I don’t remember if they covered that in the movie.
From memory, didn't he get shot at the range by some guy? I don't remember the details but I'll google them now.
Edit: looked it up. Not shot at the range, but shot in their truck by a guy who they knew was armed and mentally troubled and who they had already discussed as being a risk to their health. So we have two highly decorated combat veterans and a single guy with known mental health issues and access to firearms, and they still couldn't do anything about it.
If only Mrs Mitchell from 3rd grade History class had been there with her .45 they'd have been fine.
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From memory, didn't he get shot at the range by some guy? I don't remember the details but I'll google them now.
Edit: looked it up. Not shot at the range, but shot in their truck by a guy who they knew was armed and mentally troubled and who they had already discussed as being a risk to their health. So we have two highly decorated combat veterans and a single guy with known mental health issues and access to firearms, and they still couldn't do anything about it.
If only Mrs Mitchell from 3rd grade History class had been there with her .45 they'd have been fine.
You do a fine job of storytelling. He was volunteering to spend time with a veteran from the town he was from, that had severe ptsd. At the request of the veterans’s mother. This was something Kyle did for a lot of veterans/troubled former military. They knew he was mentally ill and armed because they were there with him.
Kyle and his friend were shot and killed from behind, without warning, with their weapons holstered. It wasn’t a shootout and it’s a poor metaphor to use in comparison to this type of situation.
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You do a fine job of storytelling. He was volunteering to spend time with a veteran from the town he was from, that had severe ptsd. At the request of the veterans’s mother. This was something Kyle did for a lot of veterans/troubled former military. They knew he was mentally ill and armed because they were there with him.
Kyle and his friend were shot and killed from behind, without warning, with their weapons holstered. It wasn’t a shootout and it’s a poor metaphor to use in comparison to this type of situation.
So are you anticipating that Mrs Mitchell is going to spend the day poised behind her desk in Weaver stance? Because unless you are, it's an exactly correct metaphor - the fact is that elite combat veterans with prior knowledge of a situation's risk can't always stop excrement happening, so what the hell chance does a teacher have?
I don't even know why you're arguing this given you agree with how ludicrous the idea of arming teachers is.
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So are you anticipating that Mrs Mitchell is going to spend the day poised behind her desk in Weaver stance? Because unless you are, it's an exactly correct metaphor - the fact is that elite combat veterans with prior knowledge of a situation's risk can't always stop excrement happening, so what the hell chance does a teacher have?
I don't even know why you're arguing this given you agree with how ludicrous the idea of arming teachers is.
It’s a very poor metaphor, sorry man. I can mantain that position and that arming teachers is a ludicrous proposal.
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yeah it sucks that those resource officers didn't do anything but it's still a deflection from the main point. common citizens shouldnt have the access to these assault rifles that we do now
it's rich that trump is bullshitting that he'd have gone in even without a gun when he's a freaking draft dodger
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President Trump: "I like taking the guns early ... Take the guns first, go through due process second."
Go Trump Go!
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Walmart and Dick’s Sporting Goods announced today they won’t sell firearms to people under 21. Pretty sure I also saw that Dick’s said they will no longer sell AR-15 style rifles.
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Walmart and Dick’s Sporting Goods announced today they won’t sell firearms to people under 21. Pretty sure I also saw that Dick’s said they will no longer sell AR-15 style rifles.
Also announced that they will no longer sell high capacity magazines.
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That moment when Republicans realize Trump isn’t really a Republican and will do/say whatever pops into his barely functioning brain on a whim.
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Say what you will about The Washington Post, but this article is worth a read by everyone. It's terrifying.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/we-studied-thousands-of-anonymous-posts-about-the-parkland-attack---and-found-a-conspiracy-in-the-making/2018/02/27/04a856be-1b20-11e8-b2d9-08e748f892c0_story.html?utm_term=.a067a133e47f (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/we-studied-thousands-of-anonymous-posts-about-the-parkland-attack---and-found-a-conspiracy-in-the-making/2018/02/27/04a856be-1b20-11e8-b2d9-08e748f892c0_story.html?utm_term=.a067a133e47f)
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Say what you will about The Washington Post, but this article is worth a read by everyone. It's terrifying.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/we-studied-thousands-of-anonymous-posts-about-the-parkland-attack---and-found-a-conspiracy-in-the-making/2018/02/27/04a856be-1b20-11e8-b2d9-08e748f892c0_story.html?utm_term=.a067a133e47f (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/we-studied-thousands-of-anonymous-posts-about-the-parkland-attack---and-found-a-conspiracy-in-the-making/2018/02/27/04a856be-1b20-11e8-b2d9-08e748f892c0_story.html?utm_term=.a067a133e47f)
Maybe the media should be responsible for checking their sources rather than running national stories based on a blog post from freaking 4chan or a tweet from a troll? Only reason this excrement happens is because they’re all in a race to be “first”
“A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz [....] was associated with his group,” the ADL reported. The ADL quoted a man named Jordan Jereb, who runs the small group, which is based in Tallahassee.
“Jereb added that ROF had not ordered or wanted Cruz to do anything like the school shooting,” the ADL wrote in a blog post that was quickly picked up by ABC News and The Associated Press, and later percolated through dozens of other media outlets.
But a few hours later, after law enforcement agencies said they had no evidence linking Cruz to ROF, Jereb said his identification of Cruz was a “misunderstanding” and that he, too, had been the subject of a “prank.” On online forums and Twitter, trolls and white nationalists gloated at the disinformation they had sowed.
“All of our evidence seems to point to the ADL getting this wrong,” said Joan Donovan, a researcher who tracks online misinformation campaigns for Data & Society, a think tank in New York City.
The ADL subsequently revised its report, as did many news outlets.
"ADL shared information from our experts on extremism and claims from white supremacist that we believed could be helpful to both law enforcement and the public due to the fluid and evolving nature of the events," an ADL spokesperson said in a statement on Friday. "Confirmation of whether Cruz was part of ROF is now in the hands of law enforcement, and that’s what the Broward sheriff’s team is looking into."
The ADL traced its original tip to posts on 4chan, where researchers found “self-described ROF members” claiming that Cruz was a brother-in-arms. But many of those posts seem to have been written specifically to deceive reporters and researchers.
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Maybe the media should be responsible for checking their sources rather than running national stories based on a blog post from freaking 4chan or a tweet from a troll? Only reason this excrement happens is because they’re all in a race to be “first”
You didn't read the entire article I linked. Because the stuff you cut and pasted was a completely different story from the one in the article I linked.
The WaPo article tells a story, that while specific to this incident, shows a much more far-reaching problem. And I'm not talking about white supremacy, I'm talking about information and how it's shared/manipulated.
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Central Michigan University, 2 dead, gunman at large
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Central Michigan University, 2 dead, gunman at large
Those Dorm R.A.'s need to shoot better.
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Shooter is black. Something something crime something something gang culture something something black community's fault.
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Shooter is black. Something something crime something something gang culture something something black community's fault.
It will get swept aside because he's black. It was expected because he's black. They are savages.
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trump couldn't be more wrong when he said that these killers/cowards would think twice if they knew that teachers were armed if he thinks they'd be scared and cower down
the people that commit these types of atrocities are fucked in the head and thoughts like these will not enter their minds or instill fear in them when they are about to do these things.
moreover, from a logical standpoint trump doesn't make any sense. what is the student-teacher ratio in your average school across america...20-30:1? and not every teacher will be armed. how many kids will be gunned down before these shooters run into a single armed teacher, and will that armed teacher be able to stop a crazed killer who has most definitely shot guns before? chances are the teacher will get gunned down too
they go into these acts ready to die, and armed teachers inside wouldn't deter them from committing these acts. they'd probably be seen as a means to their end
This is the dumbest argument from Trump about this.
You're absolutely right. School shooters aren't going to be scared of getting shot by a teacher for their lives. Most of them kill themselves or get killed in the process. The English Lit teacher isn't going to scare off someone who is so fucked in the head that they plan on shooting up a school. If anything, they would just take the teachers out first.
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This is the dumbest argument from Trump about this.
You're absolutely right. School shooters aren't going to be scared of getting shot by a teacher for their lives. Most of them kill themselves or get killed in the process. The English Lit teacher isn't going to scare off someone who is so fucked in the head that they plan on shooting up a school. If anything, they would just take the teachers out first.
And it introduces a whole new level of confusion when the police arrive and multiple people have guns.
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Shooter is black. Something something crime something something gang culture something something black community's fault.
According to my #sources on 4chan he was in ISIS
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According to my #sources on 4chan he was in ISIS
8chan says he is actually Osama and that the Seal Team 6 execution was a false flag operation financed by George Soros and set up by the Hollywood studios.
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I actually knew a guy who, the morning after Bin Laden was killed, declared it to be staged.
We don't talk anymore (since 2011-12) but there's no chance he didn't vote for Trump.
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I’ll wait for a good source before publishing my national news article, but twitter is saying he killed his parents when they came to pick him up.
Go nuts with the narratives, guys.
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http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/8094369-181/report-of-gunman-taking-hostages
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http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/8094369-181/report-of-gunman-taking-hostages
Look, you can't afford to look after your veterans and have military parades for your President, right? Some sacrifices have to be made.
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https://theintercept.com/2018/03/05/as-the-trial-of-omar-mateens-wife-begins-new-evidence-undermines-beliefs-about-the-pulse-massacre-including-motive/
TL; DR The Pulse nightclub shooter probably wasn't targeting gay people, he just picked a popular nightclub.
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http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/8094369-181/report-of-gunman-taking-hostages
I’ve been sick of these shootings for some time now, but this one really makes my stomach turn. Not only because one of the victims were 7 months pregnant, but because I also knew her very well.
I met the one of the victims, the psychiatrist (Jenn Gonzales) in high school. She was the kind of person you look up and try to live up to the bar she set. Jenn graduated in my class, and we were very close until we went off to different colleges.
A lot of people say a lot of nice excrement about the departed once they are gone. It’s easy to highlight someone’s life by reminiscing about only the good.. But Jenn truly was only good, and one of the most amazing people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. Always smiling, always positive, always looking to help out someone in some way. She was truly selfless and the world lost one of the better ones.
Her parents said it best when they said that Jenn wouldn’t have wanted her family and friends to hate the man who killed her - the man was clearly suffering and needed help. And Jenn dedicated her life to helping people with PTSD.
I knew at the rate of these mass shootings, it was only a matter of time before one claimed the life of someone I knew.
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I’ve been sick of these shootings for some time now, but this one really makes my stomach turn. Not only because one of the victims were 7 months pennant, but because I also knew her very well.
I met the one of the victims, the psychiatrist (Jenn Gonzales) in high school. She was the kind of person you look up to, and honestly feel a little bad about yourself because of how amazing of a person she was. Jenn graduated in my class, and we were very close until we went off to different colleges.
A lot of people say a lot of nice excrement about the departed once they are gone. It’s easy to highlight someone’s life by reminiscing about only the good.. But Jenn truly was only good, and one of the most amazing people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. Always smiling, always positive, always looking to help out someone in some way. She was truly selfless and the world lost one of the better ones.
Her parents said it best when they said that Jenn wouldn’t have wanted her family and friends to hate the man who killed her - the man was clearly suffering and needed help. And Jenn dedicated her life to helping people with PTSD.
I knew at the rate of these mass shootings, it was only a matter of time before one claimed the life of someone I knew.
Awful.
Sorry for your loss, dude.
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Sorry man. I can't imagine what it's like to be personally affected by one of these tragedies.
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Jeez klax, I'm so sorry.
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http://deadstate.org/this-is-the-thread-you-need-to-read-if-you-oppose-arming-teachers/
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Runs in the family.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/15/593799322/sister-of-charleston-shooter-dylann-roof-arrested-after-menacing-social-media-po
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A gunman was killed Tuesday morning after opening fire at a southeast Maryland high school where two students were critically wounded during the chaos.
A school resource officer took down the unidentified shooter after exchanging gunfire inside Great Mills High School, the St. Mary’s County sheriff said.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/
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Shooting at YouTube HQ in San Francisco. Female shooter. Victims are taken to Zuckerberg General Hospital. Very bizarre
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Shooting at YouTube HQ in San Francisco. Female shooter. Victims are taken to Zuckerberg General Hospital. Very bizarre
Female shooter, that's new.
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Another day, another shooting. This excrement is out of control.
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Female shooter, that's new.
San Bernardino.
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dplpWIpofHI
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https://youtu.be/3eG0y_nb5IA
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The Waffle House shooter is still at large.
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The Waffle House shooter is still at large.
And assumed still naked.
But he's a "sovereign citizen" so it's okay.
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Got the waffle house dude.
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Give him the death penalty.
His father should face charges too for giving that poopchute back his guns after the police only gave him the guns on the condition that he not return them to his son.
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Authorities confiscated Travis Reinking’s AR-15 months before he used it to kill four people at a Waffle House in Tennessee, according to Illinois police records.
Reinking, who has been on the run since the Sunday shooting, was detained by secret service in July after breaching the White House perimeter in an attempt to meet with President Donald Trump. Following the incident, police revoked his Illinois gun identification card due to mental health concerns and confiscated his four legally owned firearms.
When police arrived at Reinking’s home to take the guns, his father, who is licensed in Illinois, asked to keep them and promised to keep them away from his son, but now admits he returned them after police left.
“He was allowed to do that after he assured deputies he would keep them secure and away from Travis,” Tazewell County Sheriff Robert M. Huston told reporters Sunday, referring to Reinking’s father.
Nice work guys
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Nice work guys
Great police work and parenting.
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Great police work and parenting.
#MAGA
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#MAGA
This could have been prevented if every fry cook was issued a Desert Eagle.
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freaking stupid gun people. theres some poopchute around here who is always preaching about gun control and why should good gun owners be punished because of the bad ones. he just ignores and blocks anyone who points out the fact that his son stole a shotgun from his own closet and went and shot a kid at a party 2 years ago and his currently in prison for attempted murder.
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https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/04/nra-outraged-waffle-house-shooting-hero-didnt-use-gun-be-white/
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Get ready for some real pieces of excrement to celebrate that the last mass shooting happened in Australia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/world/australia/worst-mass-shooting-margaret-river.html
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Another day, another shooting. This excrement is out of control.
When did you rise from the dead?
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/witnesses-vegas-shooter-ranted-about-govt-gun-grabbing-plot.html
Less than a month before he killed 58 people and injured hundreds more at an outdoor concert in Las Vegas, Stephen Paddock ranted to a new friend about a supposed government plot to confiscate guns from the American public. The man, whose statement is among many released by investigators this week, told authorities that he met Paddock just weeks before the massacre after the 58-year-old answered an online ad for “schematics to convert semi-automatic guns to fire automatically,” the AP reports.
The man, whose identity is redacted, spoke to authorities in a jailhouse interview after getting arrested on a “possession charge.” He told police during the interview that he was an unemployed chef who’d become desperate for cash after his trust fund ran dry.
The man said in their conversations Paddock ranted about a popular right-wing conspiracy theory that claims FEMA’s actions after Hurricane Katrina were “a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin’ down doors and … confiscating guns.”
“Somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves,” Paddock said, according to the man. “Sometimes sacrifices have to be made.”
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Another shooting. A Texas high school this time. At least 8 dead.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-texas-shooting/multiple-fatalities-after-shooting-at-texas-high-school-cnn-idUSKCN1IJ1PA
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I’m so sick of this.
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https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/997543987446722562
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Texas high school shooting suspect identified as 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis, law enforcement sources tell CBS News; sources confirm law enforcement is searching property related to the suspected gunman https://cbsn.ws/2wZC4GC
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^ dammit 624
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Just as I suspected, a muslim illegal immigrant.
Conservative estimate... 2027 before everyone in America knows someone who was in a school shooting. Maybe then we can slightly extend the waiting period for anti-tank cannons.
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I’m so sick of this.
The whole damn country is. The fact it doesn’t even register any empathy in my brain bothers me so much. But it just goes to show how many happen and how many are yet to come until we do something
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kids these days really love shooting their classmates
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Today is also a day that ends in -y.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2018/05/25/noblesville-school-shooting-active-shooter-reported-middle-school/644021002/
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kids these days really love shooting their classmates
Remember pogs? Let's bring back pogs.
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https://patch.com/florida/miami/accused-parkland-shooter-you-will-all-know-who-i-am
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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/jun/28/capital-gazette-shooting-annapolis-latest-live-news-updates-today-maryland
Anyone want to have a guess at motive?
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Apparently a mass shooting at a Madden tournament in Jacksonville at least 5 dead so far
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Might want to delete this......
https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/836003181826027521?s=19
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Might want to delete this......
https://twitter.com/buffalobills/status/836003181826027521?s=19
ugh
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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/jun/28/capital-gazette-shooting-annapolis-latest-live-news-updates-today-maryland
Anyone want to have a guess at motive?
How'd that bit of speculation work out.
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How'd that bit of speculation work out.
Angry loner bearing a grudge.
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So pretty much as expected.
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Is that abyzmul?
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hahahahaha
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I wonder if abyz is a full blown Qanon guy now.
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I wonder if abyz is a full blown Qanon guy now.
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After seeing his pics, i figured he was one of those weirdos that dressed up in fur suits and had sex with other people in fur suits.
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After seeing his pics, i figured he was one of those weirdos that dressed up in fur suits and had sex with other people in fur suits.
He may be many things but I've never suspected him of being a furry.
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He may be many things but I've never suspected him of being a furry.
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Watch for chemtrails at Disney World
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https://mobile.twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1034263750147272704?s=19
chuds gonna chud
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Multiple fatalities after someone opens fire in a Pittsburgh synagogue (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/27/us/pittsburgh-synagogue-active-shooter/index.html)
Shooter in custody.
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Know a few people who regularly attend that synagogue or nearby, thankfully all are safe
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Multiple fatalities after someone opens fire in a Pittsburgh synagogue (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/27/us/pittsburgh-synagogue-active-shooter/index.html)
Shooter in custody.
What could have inspired this?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/us/shooting-california-thousand-oaks.html
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Holy excrement.
NRA @NRA
Someone should tell self-important anti-gun doctors to stay in their lane. Half of the articles in Annals of Internal Medicine are pushing for gun control. Most upsetting, however, the medical community seems to have consulted NO ONE but themselves.
They're actually telling the people who are patching up holes in people, or worse, to "stay in their lane". This is freaking insane.
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Holy excrement.
They're actually telling the people who are patching up holes in people, or worse, to "stay in their lane". This is freaking insane.
Maybe they are threatening to shoot the doctors.
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Some one needs to throw a chair at the next big NRA meeting.
Also if I could just go one month without having g to see the flag fly at half mast on the back of the ship that would be just great.
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Gun people are weird, they take that excrement so seriously. I think I’ve shot a handgun once and there was nothing special about it. You threaten gun control with some of these people and they lose their minds
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Someone in my wardroom subscribed to a magazine called Recoil. I have to assume it's target audience is the type of person who stockpiles guns in the event they have to fight the government.
The number of people who fit this description on the ship and see absolutely zero irony in that is ridiculously high.
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Someone in my wardroom subscribed to a magazine called Recoil. I have to assume it's target audience is the type of person who stockpiles guns in the event they have to fight the government.
The number of people who fit this description on the ship and see absolutely zero irony in that is ridiculously high.
Virtually every gun nut doesn't see the conflict between worshipping the troops/police and fantasizing about violently overthrowing the government.
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Virtually every gun nut doesn't see the conflict between worshipping the troops/police and fantasizing about violently overthrowing the government.
Yeah but I feel that it's still a little bit worse when they ARE THE FREAKING GOVERNMENT.
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Christchurch NZ, mosque shooting, livestreamed by shooter
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Christchurch NZ, mosque shooting, livestreamed by shooter
Wtf, livestreamed? Reading there were shootings at 2 different mosques
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Reading through what this guy was planning, this is one of the most meticulously planned of these I've ever seen. He dropped a lot of bait and it seems like he's been planning this for weeks/months. Looks like it might even be multiple shooters though obviously nothing is confirmed.
This whole thing is sickening
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Dozens dead, Australian suspect, 73 page manifesto. Looks like he/they drove across freaking town to the 2nd mosque to commit the 2nd shooting. Disgusting
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...this manifesto may be the most batshit crazy thing I have ever laid eyes on
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I was flipping channels earlier to see if I could find live coverage and MSNBC was talking about the goddamn Mueller inevstigation
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Deleted. I’ve seen the point made that sharing it is what he wanted and that’s the last thing I want to do
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Damnit i really wish I didn’t read any part of that and just went to bed. Gonna be next to impossible to sleep now
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Did anyone see the video before it was taken down? I've heard from those who frequent the darker areas of the web like some reddit subs and liveleak that it was very difficult to see.
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No, and I have no desire to. Apparently his "manifesto" and his rifle were covered in white supremacist slogans and internet memes ranging from the Navy SEAL copypasta to PewDiePie.
In recent times we've seen horrific mass murders using firearms and vehicles. An increasingly common theme is the radicalisation of young white males through internet communities. Incels, white supremacists, proto-fascists, whatever the core belief system they're being fostered and encouraged to do these things.
There is no "ironic racism". You can not make person of color jokes or nazi salutes or casual misogynist statements without real world consequences, and this is what those consequences look like - innocent worshippers being shot in their mosques and their churches, women being mown down on sidewalks.
Your children are going to be the next Dylann Roof or Alek Minassian or Anders Breivik unless we all start doing something about it, and not letting the anonymity of the internet be an easy excuse to ignore these attitudes.
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No, and I have no desire to. Apparently his "manifesto" and his rifle were covered in white supremacist slogans and internet memes ranging from the Navy SEAL copypasta to PewDiePie.
In recent times we've seen horrific mass murders using firearms and vehicles. An increasingly common theme is the radicalisation of young white males through internet communities. Incels, white supremacists, proto-fascists, whatever the core belief system they're being fostered and encouraged to do these things.
There is no "ironic racism". You can not make person of color jokes or nazi salutes or casual misogynist statements without real world consequences, and this is what those consequences look like - innocent worshippers being shot in their mosques and their churches, women being mown down on sidewalks.
Your children are going to be the next Dylann Roof or Alek Minassian or Anders Breivik unless we all start doing something about it, and not letting the anonymity of the internet be an easy excuse to ignore these attitudes.
This is a pathetic attempt to use a tragedy to justify a worldview.
No, Count Dankula getting his freaking dog to do a Nazi salute in jest did not lead to this. For fucks sake.
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This is a pathetic attempt to use a tragedy to justify a worldview.
No, Count Dankula getting his freaking dog to do a Nazi salute in jest did not lead to this. For fucks sake.
No, it's stating that PewDiePie doesn't get to use "it was just a joke, bro" to justify his actions.
You're the one who's going to be bringing children into this world. I don't know why you're defending people's rights to make it one full of hatred.
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No, it's stating that PewDiePie doesn't get to use "it was just a joke, bro" to justify his actions.
You're the one who's going to be bringing children into this world. I don't know why you're defending people's rights to make it one full of hatred.
You're playing into exactly what the shooter said he wanted to happen in his manifesto. Sad.
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You're playing into exactly what the shooter said he wanted to happen in his manifesto. Sad.
"The only way to stop the spread of hatred is to allow it to spread!" Gotcha.
Or are you trying to push the long since debunked fallacy that the politics of hatred can be defeated through rational debate? Like you can somehow reason someone out of bigotry?
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"The only way to stop the spread of hatred is to allow it to spread!" Gotcha.
Or are you trying to push the long since debunked fallacy that the politics of hatred can be defeated through rational debate? Like you can somehow reason someone out of bigotry?
First, magnifying the shooters manifesto and spending time on it, is effectuating one of his goals. I'd rather not. But since we're getting into it, the entirety of the rambling is a mixture of shitposting and views completely incoherent with one another (likely intentional considering his stated goal is to incite more division and war). For example, he spews classic white supremacist link and rails against conservatives (essentially the ultra-rightists version of a leftist saying some claptrap like, "liberals get the bullet too"), before endorsing CANDACE OWENS as his biggest influence.
He wants sides pointing at the other. Don't give this poopchute what he wants.
Or are you trying to push the long since debunked fallacy that the politics of hatred can be defeated through rational debate? Like you can somehow reason someone out of bigotry?
The problem is, there are people defining wholly benign talking points such as "we need an immigration freeze from countries who can't get their excrement together" or "we need a secure border" as "politics of hatred." Pewdiepie is now being cited as some sort of gateway drug to white supremacy, which is absurd.
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First, magnifying the shooters manifesto and spending time on it, is effectuating one of his goals. I'd rather not. But since we're getting into it, the entirety of the rambling is a mixture of shitposting and views completely incoherent with one another (likely intentional considering his stated goal is to incite more division and war). For example, he spews classic white supremacist link and rails against conservatives (essentially the ultra-rightists version of a leftist saying some claptrap like, "liberals get the bullet too"), before endorsing CANDACE OWENS as his biggest influence.
He wants sides pointing at the other. Don't give this poopchute what he wants.
The problem is, there are people defining wholly benign talking points such as "we need an immigration freeze from countries who can't get their excrement together" or "we need a secure border" as "politics of hatred." Pewdiepie is now being cited as some sort of gateway drug to white supremacy, which is absurd.
I completely agree with you that reasonable discussion about sensitive topics has become exponentially difficult as a result of the screeching overreaction to pretty much everything from the more extreme sides of any debate, but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't still try and have it.
However, I don't think that any debate is enhanced by Youtube "personalities" passing off nazi salutes as just a joke. If you have a platform, inherited or built, you have a responsibility to use it in a fashion that is beneficial, and if you choose to use it in negative fashion then you should expect people to want to tear it down.
"It's only a joke bro" (I know you didn't say that) has become one of the most counterproductive and unpleasant mottos of a generation IMO, serving as it has to excuse behaviour that if you did it in person would get your nose smeared across your face. I find it difficult to reconcile people demanding that we stand, remove our hats and pay respect to a generation that gave everything while at the same time accepting that a nazi salute is simply an expression of free speech. If my grandfathers and likely any of our grandfathers who served had seen such a thing while they were alive they would have filled someone in for doing that, and if they didn't I'd have done it for them. The end result of "it's only a joke bro" is 49 people gunned down in the name of bigotry.
Ignoring this excrement isn't working.
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Not all heroes wear capes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0_Wnh_zEbU
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Not all heroes wear capes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0_Wnh_zEbU
Darnold’s little brother is a real one
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Ben Shapiro doesn't say any of that excrement, and the shooter was very clearly not inspired by a freaking Jew.
Eli Valley is fucked in the head.
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Oh and blaming Shapiro for the Quebec mosque shooting too.
God, what a great human being.
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Ben Shapiro doesn't say any of that excrement, and the shooter was very clearly not inspired by a freaking Jew.
Eli Valley is fucked in the head.
Hoo boy
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Bonus (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/55e97f379a93bd0112a2a82d2036aec3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190317/5990359585a37ccae92eb9c024551289.jpg)
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Cool memes, bro. Look forward to you blaming Bernie Sanders for the congressional baseball shooting. You can throw in all of the senators who were pushing "people will die" rhetoric at the time. (I'm not saying they are responsible, because that's freaking dumb, merely that the same standard holds)
I'm sure, somehow, the guy who worked for Sanders' campaign shooting up a bunch of GOP senators had less to do with that rhetoric. Meanwhile, your citation is from a 5 year old video that you don't even know if the NZ shooter watched. The guy was a white supremacist who hated Jews and, even when citing a famous figure who inspired him, opted for Candace Owens.
Too much time on r/chapotraphouse will rot your freaking brain.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47611811
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We're blaming Ben freaking Shapiro for New Zealand now?
How many "acceptable" publications that make fun of how backwards Pence is can I blame for Nigerian christians being ethnically cleansed? See? I can say stupid excrement too!
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Fortunately, no there wasn't a mass shooting today, but relatedly, Sol Pais, the girl on the run who was obsessed with Columbine, is dead. No word yet on how she died.
I can't believe it was 20 years ago that Columbine basically started this mass shooting bullshit.
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Fortunately, no there wasn't a mass shooting today, but relatedly, Sol Pais, the girl on the run who was obsessed with Columbine, is dead. No word yet on how she died.
I can't believe it was 20 years ago that Columbine basically started this mass shooting bullshit.
She obviously shot herself
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She obviously shot herself
That's what I was thinking.
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I can't believe it was 20 years ago that Columbine basically started this mass shooting bullshit.
Typical Americans, ripping us off again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
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Typical Americans, ripping us off again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
According to the Dunblane page, it's the deadliest mass shooting in Britain's history at 16 dead. And it led to stricter gun laws.
Learning from your tragedies. What a novel concept.
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According to the Dunblane page, it's the deadliest mass shooting in Britain's history at 16 dead. And it led to stricter gun laws.
Learning from your tragedies. What a novel concept.
Both of them actually led to stricter gun laws. Hungerford was the catalyst for banning semi-automatic weapons, Dunblane brought in the full handgun ban. You can still own a handgun under very restricted conditions, farmers all have shotguns, hunters still have rifles. Surprisingly, the country isn't awash with armed invaders emboldened by the knowledge that homeowners aren't armed.
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Both of them actually led to stricter gun laws. Hungerford was the catalyst for banning semi-automatic weapons, Dunblane brought in the full handgun ban. You can still own a handgun under very restricted conditions, farmers all have shotguns, hunters still have rifles. Surprisingly, the country isn't awash with armed invaders emboldened by the knowledge that homeowners aren't armed.
Buh whabout th'gubmint?! An' how we s'possed t'fight them Mexy canos when they come stormin' th'border?
Next, you're going to tell me universal health care is a reasonable and achievable goal.
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Buh whabout th'gubmint?! An' how we s'possed t'fight them Mexy canos when they come stormin' th'border?
Next, you're going to tell me universal health care is a reasonable and achievable goal.
That's some strawman ya got there!
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https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/j5w5ek/at-least-7-students-shot-2-suspects-in-custody-at-denver-school-just-miles-from-columbine
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https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/j5w5ek/at-least-7-students-shot-2-suspects-in-custody-at-denver-school-just-miles-from-columbine
Stop using a tragedy to get on your soapbox!
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So now that the shooter is a confirmed leftist, when do the usual suspects show up to tell us that Obama, Occupy Dems, Cenk etc. etc. etc have blood on their hands?
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So now that the shooter is a confirmed leftist, when do the usual suspects show up to tell us that Obama, Occupy Dems, Cenk etc. etc. etc have blood on their hands?
In a just world Obama would probably be convicted of war crimes and executed, but hey what are you gonna do?
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In a just world Obama would probably be convicted of war crimes and executed, but hey what are you gonna do?
In a just world, the Central Park 5 would be hung from the same tree as Obama without need for trivialities like trials, and it would be Supreme Chancellor Donald who had the humble honor of throwing the lever. Lots of people are saying it.
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In a just world, the Central Park 5 would be hung from the same tree as Obama without need for trivialities like trials, and it would be Supreme Chancellor Donald who had the humble honor of throwing the lever. Lots of people are saying it.
I have no idea what point you were trying to make but every US President in my lifetime has/had inexcusable blood on their hands
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I have no idea what point you were trying to make but every US President in my lifetime has/had inexcusable blood on their hands
You've got to be kidding me.
The sarcasm is literally dripping from my post. I was just piggybacking off yours. Come on, I know we disagree on AOC and Bernie, but FFS, I'm not on the other side. Even if you believed I was anti-Obama, do you actually think I'm pro-lynching?!
Also, I'm not sure any POTUS in history is without inexcusable blood on their hands, but that's beside the point.
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You've got to be kidding me.
The sarcasm is literally dripping from my post. I was just piggybacking off yours. Come on, I know we disagree on AOC and Bernie, but FFS, I'm not on the other side. Even if you believed I was anti-Obama, do you actually think I'm pro-lynching?!
Also, I'm not sure any POTUS in history is without inexcusable blood on their hands, but that's beside the point.
I could tell you weren't being sincere but still had no idea what point you were trying to make.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/us/virginia-beach-shooting.html
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Looks like we dropped the ball on Gilroy since these barely move the needle these days.
Here's a snippet of the manifesto of the El Paso shooter:
"In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto. This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion."
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Things you say when you're definitely a good lieutenant governor and not just a dumb piece of excrement
https://www.foxnews.com/media/texas-lt-gov-tells-antifa-to-stay-out-of-el-paso-after-walmart-shooting
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Doesn't surprise me that you'd get this in Philly
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2019/08/14/crowd-taunts-philadelphia-police-officers-laugh-at-them-in-midst-of-gunfire-during-standoff-in-nicetown-tioga/
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7x573a/germany-synagogue-shooter-denies-holocaust-in-apparent-video-uploaded-to-twitch
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7x573a/germany-synagogue-shooter-denies-holocaust-in-apparent-video-uploaded-to-twitch
I'm not saying we should build an army of killer robot bees to take out anyone who identifies as a 4Channer, I'm just saying we could maybe look into figuring out how much it would cost.
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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-14/shooting-reported-at-saugus-high-school-in-santa-clarita-police-searching-for-teen-suspect?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true
Santa Clarita CA, high school, 2 dead
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https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/man-suspected-of-posting-videos-plotting-downtown-san-diego-mass-shooting?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true
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https://twitter.com/calebjhull/status/1211484264577024001?s=21
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https://twitter.com/grantb911/status/1211384089019858946?s=21
Holy freak
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https://twitter.com/grantb911/status/1211384089019858946?s=21
Holy freak
Walker Texas Ranger took him out
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I don't know excrement about guns but why was the flash of the muzzle of the shooter blatantly apparent, but there essentially none from the officers gun?
Looking on a cellphone so I can't see excrement but is it because the gunman is using a (shotgun?) and the officer just has a pistol or something?
Also I understand being absolutely freaking terrified during something like this, but the mind-numbing screaming I just don't understand.
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I don't know excrement about guns but why was the flash of the muzzle of the shooter blatantly apparent, but there essentially none from the officers gun?
Looking on a cellphone so I can't see excrement but is it because the gunman is using a (shotgun?) and the officer just has a pistol or something?
Also I understand being absolutely freaking terrified during something like this, but the mind-numbing screaming I just don't understand.
What would go through your mind during a shooting? That you might not live to see Jamal get traded?
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What would go through your mind during a shooting? That you might not live to see Jamal get traded?
"I'll never get to see the cap savings!"
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I don't know excrement about guns but why was the flash of the muzzle of the shooter blatantly apparent, but there essentially none from the officers gun?
Looking on a cellphone so I can't see excrement but is it because the gunman is using a (shotgun?) and the officer just has a pistol or something?
Also I understand being absolutely freaking terrified during something like this, but the mind-numbing screaming I just don't understand.
I wish you could hear the "mind-numbing" screaming when you post. The sound is akin to that of a mass shooting, who would have thunk it?
DCM JO's mass shooter.
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What would go through your mind during a shooting? That you might not live to see Jamal get traded?
I'm just saying when you scream people tend to look in that direction. If a dude starts shooting a gun, last thing I'd wanna do is draw his freaking attention.
I would think the smart response is run or hide, not draw attention.
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I wish you could hear the "mind-numbing" screaming when you post. The sound is akin to that of a mass shooting, who would have thunk it?
DCM JO's mass shooter.
As obnoxious as I am, it's the Gase hysteria that has turned this board into TGG this season. Every thread is OMG GASE IZ DA WORST EVAR, WE SHUD HAVE FIRED HIM WHEN HE LOST IN THE PRESEASON.
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As obnoxious as I am, it's the Gase hysteria that has turned this board into TGG this season. Every thread is OMG GASE IZ DA WORST EVAR, WE SHUD HAVE FIRED HIM WHEN HE LOST IN THE PRESEASON.
He said, derailing a mass shooting thread to talk about Adam Gase.
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https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Shooting-in-Texas-college-dorm-leaves-2-dead-567527641.html
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If only that kid had a gun, none of that would have happened.
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Things are getting back to normal
https://twitter.com/GlendaleAZPD/status/1263300576596520961?s=19
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https://twitter.com/heavysan/status/1263342045466370051?s=21
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A disturbing video shared on social media under the Snapchat handle Arizona Man was shared on May 20, by a man who said his name was Armando Junior Hernandez. After flashing video of a long gun, he said from the seat in his vehicle, “Hello, I’m going to be the shooter of Westgate 2020. This is to get back at mean society. So let’s get this done.”
After putting on a camo face mask, the video then shows the shooter firing off rounds off shots while entering the Westage Entertainment District. Suddenly, the video cuts to a woman lying down by the front left wheel of her car, possibly injured, and the shooter said, “Society is bull****.”
We live in a society
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We live in a society
A mean one!
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We had a shooter prancing around Nova Scotia last month posing as a RCMP officer, and shooting people.
Our prime minister banned assault rifles the next day.
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What is odd is that the Arizona police department actually arrested the non-white suspect.
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We had a shooter prancing around Nova Scotia last month posing as a RCMP officer, and shooting people.
Our prime minister banned assault rifles the next day.
But muh rights!
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But muh rights!
Yeah but you see we didn't have the foresight to expect to have to take up arms and form a civil militia in order to overthrow a tyrannical government in 2020, so we don't have that right in the first place.
(Also our military is so puny we could probably overthrow the government with hockey sticks and snow shovels if we really needed to.)
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Yeah but you see we didn't have the foresight to expect to have to take up arms and form a civil militia in order to overthrow a tyrannical government in 2020, so we don't have that right in the first place.
(Also our military is so puny we could probably overthrow the government with hockey sticks and snow shovels if we really needed to.)
Nah you guys have the best snipers. '(For some strange reason I knew this prior)
3 of the top 5:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills)
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Nah you guys have the best snipers. '(For some strange reason I knew this prior)
3 of the top 5:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_recorded_sniper_kills)
Interesting reading about some of those Canadian chaps. Our man with 5th longest record kill in history:
In 2002, Perry was accused of discreditable conduct by the Canadian Armed Forces. Forces personnel investigated allegations that he had desecrated a combatant's corpse by removing a finger, putting a cigarette in its mouth, and placing a sign reading "freak Terrorism" on its chest. Military police also suspected that Perry had defecated on another corpse.
And our man at #4:
After leaving the Canadian Army, Furlong moved to Edmonton, Alberta and joined the Edmonton Police Service in 2004, although he had considered joining Joint Task Force 2. In 2012, Furlong was dismissed from the police for discreditable conduct, after an episode in which he physically abused and urinated on a fellow police officer.
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Interesting reading about some of those Canadian chaps. Our man with 5th longest record kill in history:
And our man at #4:
Can't wait to see how #1 tops those 2.
BTW, I am sure the desecrating the corpses happens quite a bit, Australian special forces were known to take ears for the longest. The Vietcong were deathly scared of them, they thought they were nutso. That said beating up a fellow PO and urinating on him. that's lol crazy
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https://twitter.com/amaramarasingam/status/1263581453159264258?s=21
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/at-least-21-people-were-shot-one-fatally-at-a-gathering-in-southeast-washington/2020/08/09/dde4ee6c-da34-11ea-8051-d5f887d73381_story.html#click=https://t.co/9eXxREJ5T0
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/texas-police-officers-shot/index.html
Going on in a neighborhood about a block from us. Likely some Trumper gun nut.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/texas-police-officers-shot/index.html
Going on in a neighborhood about a block from us. Likely some Trumper gun nut.
Just go over there and finish him.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/us/wisconsin-wauwatosa-mayfair-mall-shooting/index.html
It's been a while since we've had one of these
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/us/wisconsin-wauwatosa-mayfair-mall-shooting/index.html
It's been a while since we've had one of these
I thought a few times this year that it was a silver lining of not having as many large groups of people.
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Eight dead, six of them Asian. This unconscionable anti-Asian shlt is getting out of hand. Cracker in custody.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/atlanta-shootings-massage-parlor.html
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Eight dead, six of them Asian. This unconscionable anti-Asian shlt is getting out of hand. Cracker in custody.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/atlanta-shootings-massage-parlor.html
Tommy?
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Tommy?
He had an alibi. He was already in the back room passed out.
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He had an alibi. He was already in the back room passed out.
poor sayuki
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Eight people, including six Asian women, were killed in shootings at three different massage parlors in Atlanta and Acworth, Georgia, on Tuesday, according to local police. A male suspect was arrested and authorities are “very confident” he is responsible for all three shootings, according to Captain Jay Baker from the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Department. At a Wednesday press conference, authorities in Atlanta said the suspect claims that the shootings were not racially motivated. They also identified the victims in Cherokee County.
i'm interested to see the spin that makes the murder of 6 asian woman working at asian massage parlors by a white guy from rural georgia amidst a time of increased violence and hatred towards asian people NOT racially motivated.
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"he went for a rub and tug, but the women declined, incensing him"
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"He had perceived that they were threatening local businesses and he was defending them"
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Tommy?
Too bad there weren't good people there with guns. Maybe we should add security guards to massage parlors.
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Can we talk about this excrement growing from his face?
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pube chin
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pube chin
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Why wouldn’t he just claim that the shootings were racially motivated? Aren’t freaks like this usually proud of what they’ve done?
maybe he won’t get into Nazi heaven because he didn’t kill any jews or blacks?
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Originally thought it was Kraft - Pats FA flurry as cover.
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Cops at press conferenses are talking about him like he's Michael Douglas from Falling Down.
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Cops at press conferenses are talking about him like he's Michael Douglas from Falling Down.
Would liked to have given Barbara Hershey's highway a shot from Falling Down.
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i'm interested to see the spin that makes the murder of 6 asian woman working at asian massage parlors by a white guy from rural georgia amidst a time of increased violence and hatred towards asian people NOT racially motivated.
It takes a lot more spin to say that the rash of attacks against Asian-Americans are fueled by white supremacy than it does to say that an attack that kills two white people may have been motivated by something other than racial animus. I'm not saying to dismiss it off-hand btw because he happened to be a little more diverse in who he murdered, white people in the rural south were killed in the 60's for trying to effectuate social change, but given what we know so far, I think that might be a stretch as opposed to thinking he was motivated by wanting to murder women for the same twisted motivations as every other incel.
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Cops at press conferenses are talking about him like he's Michael Douglas from Falling Down.
He had a real tough day, guys
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He had a real tough day, guys
That is freaking wild.
Someone needs to get these bumpkins some media training ASAP.
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wasnt race afterall, it was religion.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Accused-Atlanta-gunman-was-a-patient-at-16039343.php
Accused Atlanta gunman was a patient at evangelical treatment center within a mile of first targeted spa
The first spa targeted in the Atlanta-area killings this week was in an area very familiar to accused gunman Robert Aaron Long: It's within a mile of an evangelical treatment facility where he spent time as a patient for what he described as "sex addiction," according to a former roommate.
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But several experts have said this week that Long's ties to evangelicalism shine a light into a subculture called "purity culture," a belief among some evangelicals that promotes the idea that any sexual desire outside of marriage is lustful, and therefore sinful. Some evangelicals are taught from a young age to control their sexual urges and if they cannot, they are sometimes labeled sex addicts or porn addicts.
HopeQuest is affiliated with several large evangelical churches in and around Atlanta, including the North Point megachurch and the historic First Baptist Church of Woodstock. With several counselors licensed by the state of Georgia, it is also a "professional" affiliate of evangelical organization Focus on the Family.
In addition to its work with patients on "sex addiction," HopeQuest was once a hot spot for what some call "gay conversion therapy" and "ex-gay" rehabilitation. Its founder and creator, Roy Blankenship, was once considered one of the nation's foremost conversion therapists.
Blankenship considered himself "ex-gay" and served on the board of the "ex-gay" Exodus International group, which was disbanded in 2013. In December 2018, Blankenship retired as board chairman at HopeQuest after 22 years. He renounced conversion therapy and publicly came out as gay the following year. Blankenship still offers therapy services on his website, including for "sex addiction."
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https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6956943002?__twitter_impression=true
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https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6956943002?__twitter_impression=true
There's a rumour that he opened fire on a line of people waiting for a vaccine shot, although I stress that I've only seen it as an internet rumour thus far.
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This thread can pretty much be merged with the terrorism one.
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I got a friend from back home who works at a Safeway in Colorado springs, I was tripping when my wife asked me if I saw the "Colorado Grocery store shooting".
I wonder what his motive will be? Ugh
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https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/6956943002?__twitter_impression=true
So umm. At the expense of being insensitive, how many good people with a gun cancell out a bad person with a gun
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So umm. At the expense of being insensitive, how many good people with a gun cancell out a bad person with a gun
It's the thought that counts
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Ban guns yet? No?
K
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Multiple mass shootings every year: don't infringe on my rights!!!
2 cases of voter fraud: pass all of the voter suppression!!!
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Ban guns yet? No?
K
No
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No
Might want to ban them then....just a suggestion
Saving lives is a hobby of mine.
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Might want to ban them then....just a suggestion
Saving lives is a hobby of mine.
Can't ban guns from civilians, then they have no way to defend themselves from the police.
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My farts are an assault weapon.
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Can't ban guns from civilians, then they have no way to defend themselves from the police.
your society is terrible
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I mean I'm against banning guns. If you live in bumblefuck I understand the desire to have one, but my god can we get a bit stricter on sales, enforcement, and regulation?
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I mean I'm against banning guns. If you live in bumblefuck I understand the desire to have one, but my god can we get a bit stricter on sales, enforcement, and regulation?
there isn't a single civilian on this planet that requires an AR-15.
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your society is terrible
We invented Lipitor. You're welcome.
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there isn't a single civilian on this planet that requires an AR-15.
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Multiple mass shootings every year: don't infringe on my rights!!!
2 cases of voter fraud: pass all of the voter suppression!!!
This excrement logic brought to you by people who think ID laws = suppression.
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there isn't a single civilian on this planet that requires an AR-15.
As I've said before, I'd let civilians own all manner of ridiculous military killing hardware. I just would require them to leave it at the range at all times, who they would pay for the responsibility of keeping it secure. If someone wants to go make blasty holes in bits of paper with a TEC-9 then go for it, it's awesome fun and you should absolutely be able to do it. There's just no good reason for them having it in their house.
Obviously shotguns and hunting rifles are a different thing, there's no reason why we would restrict those other than for reasons of mental health or proven criminal tendencies. Handguns are not used for hunting or responsible vermin control, so they fall under the range-only category.
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1374428280565035017?s=19
Getting killed in a mass shooting while working the gig economy job you have because you can't afford actual retirement is one of the most American ways to die
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lindsay graham needs his ar-15 so he can shoot a gang of floods and tornados and other assorted natural disasters.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1377470788253663240?s=19
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you can really tell things are getting back to normal when the mass shootings resume in america
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you can really tell things are getting back to normal when the mass shootings resume in america
Nature is healing
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And the beat goes on
https://www.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2021/04/03/wilmington-nc-mass-shooting-downtown-house-party/7073587002/
This teenager AL-Tarrek Bell gave up his life to save a child - what an awesome human being - RIP:
https://abc11.com/18-year-old-saves-boy-shields-in-shooting-man-being-hailed-a-hero-al-tarrek-bell/10473060/
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The Associated Press
@AP
BREAKING: The gunman who killed five people including a prominent doctor in South Carolina was former NFL pro Phillip Adams, who killed himself, according to a source who was briefed on the investigation.
#CTE
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The Associated Press
@AP
BREAKING: The gunman who killed five people including a prominent doctor in South Carolina was former NFL pro Phillip Adams, who killed himself, according to a source who was briefed on the investigation.
#CTE
Some poopchute on wikipedia:
Death
On April 7, 2021, a gunman killed five people with his large black third leg, including a prominent doctor, his wife, and two of his grandchildren, in Rock Hill, South Carolina.[8] The following day, the shooter was identified as Adams, who died by suicide.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2231080-does-philip-adams-have-what-it-takes-to-replace-dee-milliner-in-jets-secondary
Damn, the PTSD..
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NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth: 1 Dead, 5 Hurt in Mass Shooting in Bryan; Trooper Shot Pursuing Suspected Shooter.
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/several-people-injured-in-mass-shooting-in-bryan-shooter-at-large/2600682/
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Two in the same day, wonderful.
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Two in the same day, wonderful.
Former NYJ defensive back Phillip Adams was the shooter
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and another one
https://www.complex.com/life/knoxville-tennessee-high-school-shooting?utm_campaign=complexmag&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social
Multiple Gunshot Victims Reported in Tennessee High School Shooting
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https://twitter.com/wrtv/status/1382957194866532355?s=19
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@washingtonpost
Three dead in active shooting situation in Austin, Texas, officials say
another day, another mass murder in america.
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It happened at an apartment complex directly across the street from the Trader Joe's we usually go to on Sunday afternoons.
Sounds like it's more of a domestic situation than a random shooting, but still awful.
I'm sure Greg Abbott will say something stupid derriere excrement about guns later today.
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The 19-year-old who killed eight people at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis late Thursday night purchased the two assault rifles used in the attack legally months after being investigated by the FBI due to his potential for violence, according to police.
but theres no way this could have been stopped. theres just no clear path here, nope.
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The 19-year-old who killed eight people at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis late Thursday night purchased the two assault rifles used in the attack legally months after being investigated by the FBI due to his potential for violence, according to police.
but theres no way this could have been stopped. theres just no clear path here, nope.
This isn't the time to be discussing this.
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https://nypost.com/2021/04/18/fedex-mass-shooter-was-obsessed-with-my-little-pony-report/
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https://nypost.com/2021/04/18/fedex-mass-shooter-was-obsessed-with-my-little-pony-report/
I'm going to guess that the Venn diagram of brony and incel shows a very significant overlap, and that the latter is probably more pertinent to violent behaviour than the former.
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https://nypost.com/2021/04/18/fedex-mass-shooter-was-obsessed-with-my-little-pony-report/
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Wtf
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/sixth-grade-girl-opens-fire-middle-school-idaho/story?id=77543562&cid=social_fb_abcn
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/26/us/san-jose-shooting/index.html
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2 dead, over 20 injured, 3 critically in Hialeah
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/2-dead-over-20-shot-in-targeted-attack-following-concert-in-nw-miami-dade-police/2462322/
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It is incredibly depressing that this thread is 22 pages long
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I think suing gun manufacturers over mass shootings is meritless but Remington is trying hard to make me come around
https://twitter.com/connpost/status/1412819326722351108?s=19
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Plymouth, UK
5 dead including a child
Shooter killed himself
Incel
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Plymouth, UK
5 dead including a child
Shooter killed himself
Incel
First mass shooting in the UK for 11 years. Shooter held a firearms license and may have used some kind of shotgun.
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I think suing gun manufacturers over mass shootings is meritless but Remington is trying hard to make me come around
https://twitter.com/connpost/status/1412819326722351108?s=19
This is probably a reason why the United States desperately needs tort reform (and honestly the legal system in general)
We have an immensely freaking retarded legal system.
It's like it encourages people to be an obnoxious queynte
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This is probably a reason why the United States desperately needs tort reform (and honestly the legal system in general)
We have an immensely freaking retarded legal system.
It's like it encourages people to be an obnoxious queynte
Tort reform gets tossed around as one of those common sense solutions that everyone should agree on but really all it would do is make it harder for people to hold larger entities accountable for bad actions.
So should these people get to sue Remington? IMO go for it. Should they win? I don't think so, but Remington should defend themselves without being assholes.
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1441136622091726848?s=19
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1441136622091726848?s=19
Doesn't faze anyone anymore. There will be another one tomorrow.
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Doesn't faze anyone anymore. There will be another one tomorrow.
It's horrible when you read the comments and (some) people are celebrating this with glee, to stick it to Trump.
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"Cleanup, aisle 4..."
. ....thoughts & prayers :-/
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Doesn't faze anyone anymore. There will be another one tomorrow.
Am I wrong or were there significantly less in the past year+?
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Am I wrong or were there significantly less in the past year+?
I don't know, I'm kinda numb to it now unless it's nearby. We had a school shooting near my work this week, noticed that one.
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Am I wrong or were there significantly less in the past year+?
Hard to have mass shootings when everyone (and most importantly schools) are at home
Plus suicides are way up, so you can probably assume that crazy people who do mass shootings would fit in that demographic
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Hard to have mass shootings when everyone (and most importantly schools) are at home
Plus suicides are way up, so you can probably assume that crazy people who do mass shootings would fit in that demographic
By way of contrast:
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210923/Study-finds-decrease-in-Canadian-suicide-rates-during-the-pandemic-despite-increase-in-unemployment.aspx
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By way of contrast:
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210923/Study-finds-decrease-in-Canadian-suicide-rates-during-the-pandemic-despite-increase-in-unemployment.aspx
I am curious how the financial support offered by the Canadian government compared to what the United States offered.
The US had offered unprecedented financial support programs.
And I'm purely speculating on this, but I'd imagine that the biggest spike in suicide would be deaths of despair / isolation exacerbating depression and mental illness. Much more so than the financial aspect of the pandemic (not denying that exists)
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I am curious how the financial support offered by the Canadian government compared to what the United States offered.
The US had offered unprecedented financial support programs.
And I'm purely speculating on this, but I'd imagine that the biggest spike in suicide would be deaths of despair / isolation exacerbating depression and mental illness. Much more so than the financial aspect of the pandemic (not denying that exists)
I don't know how the US programs compare - we had a program called CERB, which paid people who had previously been employed or generated revenues via self employment $2K a month for up to 4 months, no questions asked. CRA recovered / will recover any ineligible claims through the usual tax return process, the point of it was an emergency fund that anyone got if they asked for it. After the 4 months of CERB was exhausted you could apply for CRB if you were still not working, which is more like traditional EI in that you have to demonstrate eligibility for it prior to being paid, but you could make your CRB application while receiving CERB. That paid $1000 every two weeks, for a maximum of 54 weeks. So if you claimed the full CERB / CRB benefit, you received $35K of untaxed benefits over the course of 16 months.
I agree with you that it would seem like social reasons and the exacerbation of mental health issues would be a logical primary cause of suicides, and I can't tell you why the US and Canada would have gone in opposite directions on that.
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Well I'm clearly retarded
Suicides in the United States saw its biggest decrease in 40 years during Covid
Though looking back at old articles, they seemed to suggest otherwise at the time
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Well I'm clearly retarded
Suicides in the United States saw its biggest decrease in 40 years during Covid
Though looking back at old articles, they seemed to suggest otherwise at the time
Anecdotal but I heard one depressed person's reasoning was that during the pandemic they've felt completely justified in feeling terrible, because the circumstances warranted it. So basically they were "thriving" because the way they felt matched their encironment, they felt normal.
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Once the pandemic hit everyone who stands the duty officer watch at my command was given training to expect an increase in suicide and domestic violence reports, which was exactly what we got. So there's that angle.
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Looks like another great advert for America's firearm laws. Thoughts and prayers, not the time, yadda yadda yadda.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethan-crumbley-identified-as-oxford-high-school-michigan-mass-shooter
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His parents should go to jail too.
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His parents should go to jail too.
I think solid gun reform is never going to happen
But making parents criminally liable for their kids murdering people with their parents gun's needs to be a freaking thing. How many mass shooter's have freaking retarded parents
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I think solid gun reform is never going to happen
But making parents criminally liable for their kids murdering people with their parents gun's needs to be a freaking thing. How many mass shooter's have freaking retarded parents
Nothing will happen.
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Nothing will happen.
Congress is more worried about anime on Twitter
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Congress is more worried about anime on Twitter and CRT
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Even more true
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https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/15-year-old-michigan-school-shooter-methodically-and-deliberately-walked-down-the-hallway-aiming-the-firearm-at-students-prosecutors/
He looks exactly how you would think he does
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https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/15-year-old-michigan-school-shooter-methodically-and-deliberately-walked-down-the-hallway-aiming-the-firearm-at-students-prosecutors/
He looks exactly how you would think he does
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/03/oxford-high-school-shooting-suspect-parents-charged/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/03/oxford-high-school-shooting-suspect-parents-charged/)
Parents of Michigan shooter charged with manslaughter.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/03/oxford-high-school-shooting-suspect-parents-charged/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/03/oxford-high-school-shooting-suspect-parents-charged/)
Parents of Michigan shooter charged with manslaughter.
good
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Wow, they're actually going for it. I don't disagree. I don't think any reasonable person would disagree that the father bears partial responsibility - remains to be seen if his criminality can be proven.
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Wow, they're actually going for it. I don't disagree. I don't think any reasonable person would disagree that the father bears partial responsibility - remains to be seen if his criminality can be proven.
I'm sure there's already a gofundme that will get rejected and some dumbasses ready to protest.
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I'm sure there's already a gofundme that will get rejected and some dumbasses ready to protest.
"I've set up a GoFundMe to cover the legal fees I will incur from suing GoFundMe for taking down my GoFundMe I set up to cover my legal funds."
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https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1466801410989776899 (https://twitter.com/nyjets/status/1466801410989776899)
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New York General Obligations Law 3-112 outlines parental responsibility law. New York law states that parents or guardians are responsible for the actions of their children who are older than 10 years, but younger than 18 years. The government decided that at age 10, parents should be accountable for damages caused by their children. At age 18 the child in question is an adult and tried as such in a court of o0
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Wow, they're actually going for it. I don't disagree. I don't think any reasonable person would disagree that the father bears partial responsibility - remains to be seen if his criminality can be proven.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-thursday/index.html
If the parents were somehow unaware that their son was a lunatic, the school made it clear. No idea why the school let him stay, that’s another freak up.
Throw the book at the parents
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No idea why the school let him stay, that’s another freak up.
It's not that easy, unfortunately.
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Looks like they’re on the run.
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https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1466860422166822914?s=21 (https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1466860422166822914?s=21)
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Looks like they’re on the run.
Send Kyle the Bounty Hunter after them
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Can't make a better argument for not overturning roe vs wade than this
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LOL, I'm not mad at you.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211203/e96210aef09c57f59ed8e1176f1b5230.jpg)
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Alright, so do we think the parents knew he was going to do this? Sounds more and more like it.
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Alright, so do we think the parents knew he was going to do this? Sounds more and more like it.
If the above quote led you to that conclusion that's ridiculous.
There's no questions the parents are terrible. But there's no freaking way they knew he was about to be a mass murderer
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If the above quote led you to that conclusion that's ridiculous.
There's no questions the parents are terrible. But there's no freaking way they knew he was about to be a mass murderer
There's a bit more out there.
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From what I've seen, I can believe the parents completely whiffed on the obvious signs and just thought their excrement kid loved his Christmas present and that the school administrators were a bunch of hippy commies.
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Parents took $4K out of an ATM, turned off their phones and now there's a manhunt for them.
Honestly, I'd probably do the same in their shoes at this point. Might as well go out on a high note before prison.
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Send Kyle the Bounty Hunter after them
Brian Laundries parents got this
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Parents took $4K out of an ATM, turned off their phones and now there's a manhunt for them.
Honestly, I'd probably do the same in their shoes at this point. Might as well go out on a high note before prison.
I don't know excrement about the law, but I'd imagine it would be fairly challenging to convict the parents of something like this. Though that's also assuming they could afford and find a quality attorney willing to represent them
Just reading up on it, it sounds like from a legal perspective the charges against the parents is an incredibly rare thing. Making it a very uphill battle, also meaning the NRA presumably would get these people the best money can buy. I'm just assuming, but I'd guess this is more about setting precedent or capitalizing on public outtage
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…parents look exactly how you think they would
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I don't know excrement about the law, but I'd imagine it would be fairly challenging to convict the parents of something like this. Though that's also assuming they could afford and find a quality attorney willing to represent them
Just reading up on it, it sounds like from a legal perspective the charges against the parents is an incredibly rare thing. Making it a very uphill battle, also meaning the NRA presumably would get these people the best money can buy. I'm just assuming, but I'd guess this is more about setting precedent or capitalizing on public outtage
Involuntary Manslaughter, life sentence sounds good to me
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html
James and Jennifer Crumbley were found on the first floor of an industrial building near where authorities had located their car shortly before they were apprehended, Detroit Police spokesperson Rudy Harper told CNN.
"They appeared to be hiding in the building," Detroit Police Chief James White said during a news conference early Saturday morning. They were "very distressed" after they were detained, the chief said.
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…parents look exactly how you think they would
They're holed up at MJ's crib
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html
They have to learn how to not get caught
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Imagine going on the lam for 13 hours
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McDonald said that the evidence that led to the decision to charge the parents included the fact that Ethan Crumbley had been present at the time that his father purchased the weapon. The Michigan prosecutor also cited a social media post from his mother that his parents had bought the weapon for the teen as a Christmas present.
The prosecutor further discussed drawings made by the 15-year-old and found by a teacher on the morning of the shooting that depicted a gun pointing at words reading “the thoughts won’t stop, help me” and someone being shot twice.
JFC
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JFC
Welp, that picture should've been dealt with a little bit differently. Him just looking at ammo on his phone is not enough to get him out of school, but that drawing...big fuckin' yikes.
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https://twitter.com/aaronparseghian/status/1466860612122783751?s=21
Detailed timeline and more info on the drawing
The mom’s 2nd text sounds like she knew exactly what he was thinking/capable of
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https://twitter.com/aaronparseghian/status/1466860612122783751?s=21
Detailed timeline and more info on the drawing
The mom’s 2nd text sounds like she knew exactly what he was thinking/capable of
"Parents resisted the idea of pulling their son out of school that day."
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
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"Parents resisted the idea of pulling their son out of school that day."
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
The mom was a massive Trumper. MUH FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
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The mom was a massive Trumper. MUH FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
Tell me, what was the political ideology of the guy who ran over six people during a christmas day parade, or are we already passed that?
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Welp, that picture should've been dealt with a little bit differently. Him just looking at ammo on his phone is not enough to get him out of school, but that drawing...big fuckin' yikes.
You have to wonder what this does to the legal case against the parents. The school caught him looking at where to buy ammo, the school found this drawing, the school allowed him to return to class.
The parents are obviously inbred freaking retards, but the school is a professional institution with teachers security counselors etc etc. I think the school makes it incredibly difficult to convict the parents, and the school almost certainly will get bent over with lawsuits. Quite frankly the leadership of the school district needs to face some kind of criminal neglect charges.
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The parents are obviously inbred freaking retards, but the school is a professional institution with teachers security counselors etc etc. I think the school makes it incredibly difficult to convict the parents, and the school almost certainly will get bent over with lawsuits. Quite frankly the leadership of the school district needs to face some kind of criminal neglect charges.
It's pretty clear how much you don't know about public education and the lack of power that educators have.
That teacher is probably screaming I told you so at the administration.
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It's pretty clear how much you don't know about public education and the lack of power that educators have.
That teacher is probably screaming I told you so at the administration.
I'm not blaming a specific individual, as none of us know the specifics.
But there's literally no way they couldn't have at the absolute freaking minimum contacted the police and or searched the child and his belongings before sending him back to class
Entire schools have been shut down for less
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You have to wonder what this does to the legal case against the parents. The school caught him looking at where to buy ammo, the school found this drawing, the school allowed him to return to class.
The parents are obviously inbred freaking retards, but the school is a professional institution with teachers security counselors etc etc. I think the school makes it incredibly difficult to convict the parents, and the school almost certainly will get bent over with lawsuits. Quite frankly the leadership of the school district needs to face some kind of criminal neglect charges.
Why are you caping so hard for these parents, very weird behavior but par for the course for you
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Why are you caping so hard for these parents, very weird behavior but par for the course for you
I'm not. The parents are scumbags and their lives are ruined. But I'm purely discussing the legal aspect, and how the school seriously dropped the ball on their end. The parents are freaking retarded and behaved as such. The school is an organization staffed by presumably educated people. But they made some extremely unwise decisions
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I'm not. The parents are scumbags and their lives are ruined. But I'm purely discussing the legal aspect, and how the school seriously dropped the ball on their end. The parents are freaking retarded and behaved as such. The school is an organization staffed by presumably educated people. But they made some extremely unwise decisions
Did the school buy the gun for the kid? No.
STFU
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Tell me, what was the political ideology of the guy who ran over six people during a christmas day parade, or are we already passed that?
This is the mass shootings thread, you melting hippo.
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Did the school buy the gun for the kid? No.
STFU
There's legal precedent that buying someone a gun used in a killing is not manslaughter.
If it can be proven they bought him the gun to commit murders that's entirely different.
Laws are the laws, I'm all for laws being changed as I think parents should be responsible for what their kid does with a gun they bought them. But that's not the case.
This is just like the Rittenhouse case and other high profile cases in recent years. People wanting justice, instead of the law.
Regardless, it's improbable the parents getting convicted for manslaughter. And I think there's a high probability of a class action lawsuit against the school (entirely speculation)
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I'm not. The parents are scumbags and their lives are ruined. But I'm purely discussing the legal aspect, and how the school seriously dropped the ball on their end. The parents are freaking retarded and behaved as such. The school is an organization staffed by presumably educated people. But they made some extremely unwise decisions
"Parents resisted the idea of pulling their son out of school that day."
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This is just like the Rittenhouse case
lmao
stop
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I don't know excrement about the law
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Dictionary definition of manslaughter.
I apologize for being completely wrong and foolish. Get the stake, I'll try to afford some gasoline. Let's wrap this up
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I don't, but CNN has a nice article interviewing lawyers about the law. I think lawyers know some of that
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lmao
stop
I'm talking about from a public outcry perspective of not caring about the law and only wanting justice.
Obviously everything is entirely different
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It's pretty clear how much you don't know about public education and the lack of power that educators have.
That teacher is probably screaming I told you so at the administration.
As a person who works in public education…
We have NO freaking power. If a parent says A then the school will do that. Doesn’t matter if it’s as simple as the kid cheated on a test and mom says “of course he didn’t” and with electronic evidence to support he cheated, the kid gets a slap on the wrist and retake exam.
This incident is incredibly tragic, but they did everything they could since they don’t have the authority to override the parents and force them to take the kid home. We can only hope that this timeline of events is something schools read about and focus on learning from because this is the type of thing that absolutely can happen again if parents are stubborn and refuse to listen while the school powers that be refuse to step in.
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The only other thing I can think of is the school calling the police if the parents resist taking the kid home.
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The only other thing I can think of is the school calling the police if the parents resist taking the kid home.
And what are the police going to do? They can’t arrest a kid for looking at ammo on his phone and making twisted drawings. They can’t force parents to take him home either as he hadn’t done anything yet.
Best case scenario they can force a search, but school law on what allows kids to be searched is very strange. My school had a kid searched for dope and found a gallon ziplock bag of weed (maybe 8 years ago now) prepackaged into small baggies to distribute and the kid was 18 and he got nothing except his excrement confiscated because the search was illegal, and he wasn’t even allowed to have a conference with his parents mandated before he could go back to class.
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We have NO freaking power. If a parent says A then the school will do that. Doesn’t matter if it’s as simple as the kid cheated on a test and mom says “of course he didn’t” and with electronic evidence to support he cheated, the kid gets a slap on the wrist and retake exam.
A lot of people think I changed careers because of the money, but this is really why.
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I don't, but CNNLOL has a nice article interviewing lawyers about the law. I think lawyers know some of that
FYP.
Anyway, you'd think so, but this is the same network that employs Jeffrey Tobin.
For what it's worth, these parents actually sound like total freaking retards.
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"Parents resisted the idea of pulling their son out of school that day."
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
They didn't want to get shot.
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A lot of people think I changed careers because of the money, but this is really why.
not sure when you swapped careers, but it’s gotten so much worse since Covid. Anything to make it impossible to fail.
It’s a major disservice to kids everywhere
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not sure when you swapped careers, but it’s gotten so much worse since Covid. Anything to make it impossible to fail.
It’s a major disservice to kids everywhere
I was out before COVID, fortunately.
Heard all kinds of bullshit from friends.
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This is just like the Rittenhouse case
You're not wrong. It's pretty egregious how no one is talking about the threat that all those other kids were posing to Crumbley and how entirely reasonable it was for him to exercise his constitutional rights to carry and use a firearm to defend himself against the clear and present threat of girls refusing to let him feel their funbags under the bleachers.
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You're not wrong. It's pretty egregious how no one is talking about the threat that all those other kids were posing to Crumbley and how entirely reasonable it was for him to exercise his constitutional rights to carry and use a firearm to defend himself against the clear and present threat of girls refusing to let him feel their funbags under the bleachers.
I should have been a serial shooter based on my high school dating record.
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You're not wrong. It's pretty egregious how no one is talking about the threat that all those other kids were posing to Crumbley and how entirely reasonable it was for him to exercise his constitutional rights to carry and use a firearm to defend himself against the clear and present threat of girls refusing to let him feel their funbags under the bleachers.
LOL you keep on trying to compare apple butter to horseshit in order to fuel your desire to see an innocent 17 year old sentenced to life imprisonment.
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I was out before COVID, fortunately.
Heard all kinds of bullshit from friends.
It’s been a disaster man.
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It’s been a disaster man.
Every teacher that I meet is ready to hang it up.
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LOL you keep on trying to compare apple butter to horseshit in order to fuel your desire to see an innocent 17 year old sentenced to life imprisonment.
You're making the mistake of thinking I give a excrement about Rittenhouse. I'm just using him as the latest example of how astonishingly stupid your laws are.
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You're making the mistake of thinking I give a excrement about Rittenhouse.
Obviously you do considering you're shoehorning shitty examples that have nothing to do with what actually happened in his case in order to express your discontent with the result.
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Obviously you do considering you're shoehorning shitty examples that have nothing to do with what actually happened in his case in order to express your discontent with the result.
Not sure if you're missing my point because you don't understand it, or because it's inconvenient.
To be clear: Rittenhouse is a symptom, not the disease. No other country in the world has Rittenhouses because no other country in the world has your idiotic laws.
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Not sure if you're missing my point because you don't understand it, or because it's inconvenient.
To be clear: Rittenhouse is a symptom, not the disease. No other country in the world has Rittenhouses because no other country in the world has your idiotic laws.
He's not a symptom or a disease.
The disease rests with the lies that went into the veneration of the piece of excrement that is Jacob Blake and the broader narratives that present an idea that America is a backward, racist pooper.
The symptom is Kenosha going up in flames for absolutely no goddamn reason.
Other functional countries that utilize a similar way of governance certainly have societal elites that hate the common rabble; none are so overt about it as those in the States right now.
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No other country in the world has Rittenhouses because no other country in the world has your idiotic laws.
Counterpoint: the IDF
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Counterpoint: the IDF
Not sure mandatory service for all citizens in support of a shitty government equates to laws that encourage mentally disturbed teenagers to buy and use firearms on their fellow citizens.
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Not sure mandatory service for all citizens in support of a shitty government equates to laws that encourage mentally disturbed teenagers to buy and use firearms on their fellow citizens.
Unsure if you're naturally missing or trying to miss the comparison. I'd elaborate, but a child threw a rock at me so I'm going to turn them into a sieve.
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He's not a symptom or a disease.
The disease rests with the lies that went into the veneration of the piece of excrement that is Jacob Blake and the broader narratives that present an idea that America is a backward, racist pooper.
The symptom is Kenosha going up in flames for absolutely no goddamn reason.
Other functional countries that utilize a similar way of governance certainly have societal elites that hate the common rabble; none are so overt about it as those in the States right now.
There you go again with the whatabouts.
The Kenosha riots were also a symptom of your idiotic laws.
Also, it's very clear that much of America is a backward, racist pooper. That's not to say that parts of many other countries aren't, but most of them don't allow their backward racists to buy and use firearms against their fellow citizens. Some despotic African republics maybe, but that's about it.
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Unsure if you're naturally missing or trying to miss the comparison. I'd elaborate, but a child threw a rock at me so I'm going to turn them into a sieve.
Unsure if you think I'm trying to defend the IDF. It's just a different kind of shitty, Israel orders its citizens to be gun wielding cunts whereas you marketize it and make it an appealing choice.
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There you go again with the whatabouts.
The Kenosha riots were also a symptom of your idiotic laws.
Also, it's very clear that much of America is a backward, racist pooper. That's not to say that parts of many other countries aren't, but most of them don't allow their backward racists to buy and use firearms against their fellow citizens. Some despotic African republics maybe, but that's about it.
It's not whataboutism.
Kenosha and the riots of 2020 were a direct result of hacktivists and opportunist political figures utilizing their grand pulpits to ferment propaganda. Jacob Blake is a demonstrative piece of excrement who for lack of a more scientific or politically correct way to put it, fucked around and found out. And he's continued to be lionized, much like Mike Brown is continued to be lionized around absolute lies that aren't even hard to objectively address.
Much of America isn't a backwards, racist pooper. I'm a pretty big misanthrope but wholeheartedly believe that this country is in fact filled with decent people who are just trying to live their day to day, white, black, asian, whatever. I think as it stands right now, our culture freaking sucks, but I digress.
If you're referring to Ahmad Arbery's murder, justice was served. What, do murders not take place in other countries?!
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opportunist political figures utilizing their grand pulpits to ferment propaganda
I refuse to believe that you typed that with a straight face
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I refuse to believe that you typed that with a straight face
That's an interesting attempt to deflect from the examples provided.
No, you're right, Jacob Blake did nothing wrong and was the victim of police brutality, so Kenosha had to burn.
Mike Brown didn't do anything! He had his hands up and said don't shoot!
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That's an interesting attempt to deflect from the examples provided.
No, you're right, Jacob Blake did nothing wrong and was the victim of police brutality, so Kenosha had to burn.
Mike Brown didn't do anything! He had his hands up and said don't shoot!
No, you were absolutely right. Kenosha was 100% the direct result of opportunist political figures utilizing their grand pulpits to ferment propaganda. On that we are on complete agreement.
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You're not wrong. It's pretty egregious how no one is talking about the threat that all those other kids were posing to Crumbley and how entirely reasonable it was for him to exercise his constitutional rights to carry and use a firearm to defend himself against the clear and present threat of girls refusing to let him feel their funbags under the bleachers.
I was talking about the public appetite for justice, irrespective of what the actual law is. I think justice would have been Rittenhouse and these parents all going to prison. But I'm not confident that they are guilty under the law
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I was talking about the public appetite for justice, irrespective of what the actual law is. I think justice would have been Rittenhouse and these parents all going to prison. But I'm not confident that they are guilty under the law
Yes I know, I agree with you. I'm talking about the proven absurdity of your laws, not whether they're being correctly applied.
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The school released details. The counselors didn't think he was a threat to any other students. They should all be removed from their roles.
Here's the problem with administration and also most guidance counselors that I've worked with: they are so ridiculously out of touch with the kids and the community and they lean on their overeducation to make decisions. A lot of these meetings with parents have pre-determined outcomes.
What does a 50+ year old white woman with a master's degree know about a 15 year old black kid with a 30 year old mother? Not a god damn thing. They're quick to label that kind of kid as a nuisance though. This Crumbley kid has BOTH parents come to a meeting and it's suggested that he gets counseling. They knew how they were going to handle that situation before the parents were even contacted.
The professionals that need to be in these roles usually aren't, because the pay is excrement. And the ones that are have aged out and are in those roles because they have experience plus advanced degrees that they earned 20+ years ago just so they could make an extra $10-$15K a year.
The American public education system is a joke because it's being run by blind dinosaurs that don't have a pulse.
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The American public education system is a joke because it's being run by blind dinosaurs that don't have a pulse.
You are wrong. The biggest problem with the American public education system is that it's teaching CRT.
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What does a 50+ year old white woman with a master's degree know about a 15 year old black kid with a 30 year old mother? Not a god damn thing. They're quick to label that kind of kid as a nuisance though.
If only there was some academic school of thought that could explain why this happens.
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Kyle Rittenhouse said he used to be a fan of LeBron James, but after the Lakers star's shade during his trial, "I'm like, 'You know what, f*** you, LeBron.'"
I'm no Lebron fan either, but freak this kid.
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I'm no Lebron fan either, but freak this kid.
#LessonLearned
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The Independent: Oxford school shooting: Ethan Crumbley appointed lawyer by court after parents only hired their own.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-oxford-school-shooting-b1971470.html
Damn that's cold.
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The Independent: Oxford school shooting: Ethan Crumbley appointed lawyer by court after parents only hired their own.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-oxford-school-shooting-b1971470.html
Damn that's cold.
Something something learn not to get caught.
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The Independent: Oxford school shooting: Ethan Crumbley appointed lawyer by court after parents only hired their own.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-oxford-school-shooting-b1971470.html
Damn that's cold.
To be fair that kids fucked no matter who his lawyer is
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To be fair that kids fucked no matter who his lawyer is
You sound just like his father
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You sound just like his father
I would've told him to test it on himself first before firing
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https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1469034573321449476?s=21
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I'm no Lebron fan either, but freak this kid.
lol keep crying about it.
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I’m no fan of that kid but freak The Decision
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lol keep crying about it.
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/lawyer-representing-oxford-parents-in-100m-lawsuit-says-school-ignored-crumbleys-obvious-intent-to-harm
100 million dollar lawsuit against the school a pair of parents whose daughter was shot in the neck
Same lawyer who litigated Columbine
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/lawyer-representing-oxford-parents-in-100m-lawsuit-says-school-ignored-crumbleys-obvious-intent-to-harm
100 million dollar lawsuit against the school a pair of parents whose daughter was shot in the neck
Same lawyer who litigated Columbine
No point sueing Crumbenhouse or his parents when they don't have the cash or the insurance to settle.
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No point sueing Crumbenhouse or his parents when they don't have the cash or the insurance to settle.
I don't disagree
I was more alluding that a high profile attorney probably wouldn't have taken the case if he didn't think he could win.
The school is not the only party at fault. But they did a tremendously excrement job
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https://twitter.com/sandyhook/status/1471593224221429769?s=21
Very cool, very normal stuff
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https://twitter.com/sandyhook/status/1471593224221429769?s=21
Very cool, very normal stuff
The next tiktok challenge should hopefully be them filming their prison beatings
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As usual I cope by telling myself "that sort of thing doesn't happen here" despite knowing everyone it ever happened to must have thought that at some point.
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https://twitter.com/kyleclark/status/1475967691303407621?s=21
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This seems significant. But maybe it isn't.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60312237
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/many-10-injured-shooting-arkansas-car-show-state-police-say-rcna20761
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In the legislative bosom of apparently some pretty lax gun laws
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https://twitter.com/orko_manna/status/1510801396831989764
While this 18 shot, 6 dead mass shooting curiously didn't see the light of day here in JO-land, chances are likely this story (and its inconvenient side narratives) should be off the back pages shortly....https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-04-05/sacramento-shooting-suspect-got-out-of-prison-early-despite-da-opposition
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/16/us/columbiana-mall-shooting-sc.html
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/16/us/columbiana-mall-shooting-sc.html
#paywall
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#paywall
#stopbeingcheap
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#stopbeingcheap
#eatabagofdicks
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#eatabagofdicks
#onlyiftheyrefree
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-search-gunman-shot-three-korean-women-texas-hair-salon-rcna28470
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Buffalo, supermarket, 10 dead, shooter in custody, "great replacement" white supremacist
https://bnonews.com/index.php/2022/05/mass-shooting-supermarket-buffalo/
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A 106-page online manifesto, believed to have been uploaded by the shooter, explained that he was motivated by a conspiracy theory that white people are being replaced by other races. In the document, he says he is 18 years old and a self-described white supremacist and anti-semite.
“If there’s one thing I want you to get from these writings, it’s that White birth rates must change. Everyday the White population becomes fewer in number,” the document says. “To maintain a population the people must achieve a birth rate that reaches replacement fertility levels, in the western world that is about 2.06 births per woman.”
Maybe if young white men would stop being such absolute freaking knobheads, young white women might be slightly more willing to have sex with them.
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Maybe if young white men would stop being such absolute freaking knobheads, young white women might be slightly more willing to have sex with them.
If only this poor young soul knew,
The real problem is modern men have become a bunch of estrogenic little bitches who have bigger titties than most of the women that aren't dating them. Thus the sperm quality of men is one of the greatest threats to continued existence of mankind.
Of course this isn't unique to Americans or Caucasians, but is a legitimate global crisis.
If only they were breastfed and did a better job raising their sperms
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If only this poor young soul knew,
The real problem is modern men have become a bunch of estrogenic little bitches who have bigger titties than most of the women that aren't dating them. Thus the sperm quality of men is one of the greatest threats to continued existence of mankind.
Of course this isn't unique to Americans or Caucasians, but is a legitimate global crisis.
Settle down there Dr Peterson.
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Settle down there Dr Peterson.
I'm being a little intentionally obnoxious and dramatic.
But the things I'm talking about aren't psych issues, though they may have a psych factor.
But it really is continued a serious threat to the human population. And this isn't subjective psychological analysis bullshit. It's quantifiable that the quality and quantity of the male sperm has declined over 50% from our parents/grandparents, and this has obvious implications for human reproduction.
The speculation as to the why gets into Peterson territory, though I think it's pretty clear that diet and obesity are a huge factor
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I'm being a little intentionally obnoxious and dramatic.
But the things I'm talking about aren't psych issues, though they may have a psych factor.
But it really is continued a serious threat to the human population. And this isn't subjective psychological analysis bullshit. It's quantifiable that the quality and quantity of the male sperm has declined over 50% from our parents/grandparents, and this has obvious implications for human reproduction.
The speculation as to the why gets into Peterson territory, though I think it's pretty clear that diet and obesity are a huge factor
I very much agree with your last sentence. I'm a huge fan of the internet and cellphones and videogames and Netflix, and as a child of the video nasty era who was and is a huge fan of intensely violent movies I absolutely reject the argument that such content makes kids violent, but a lot of people (male and female) really do need to spend a lot more time outside, a lot more time moving around, and a lot more time interacting with real people.
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Trying to reason with the unreasonable is pointless.
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So what you're saying is my elite sperm could have prevented this.
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So what you're saying is my elite sperm could have prevented this.
Only if you had more sex with white women.
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Only if you had more sex with white women.
Good point, I accidentally did a white genocide instead.
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Good point, I accidentally did a white genocide instead.
You are a race traitor. This is all your fault.
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Good point, I accidentally did a white genocide instead.
You masturbated?
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you guys take away the right to own an AR-15 yet?
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you guys take away the right to own an AR-15 yet?
Just bought one to defend my house against gnats.
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That didn't take long.
https://www.orange-county-church-shooting-multiple-people-shot-laguna-woods/11853777/ (https://www.orange-county-church-shooting-multiple-people-shot-laguna-woods/11853777/)
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Just bought one to defend my house against gnats.
I assume that stands for Gays, Negroes, And Trannies.
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I assume that stands for Gays, Negroes, And Trannies.
4 honks
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LA, about 30 mins ago.
WARNING: THREAD INCLUDES PICTURES OF SHOOTING VICTIM
https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/1525611374671323136?t=7k1fEMqctMWvCiG-S4zRTg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/1525611374671323136?t=7k1fEMqctMWvCiG-S4zRTg&s=19)
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Over 20 people were shot in Milwaukee.....crickets....
https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/24-wounded-3-killed-from-milwaukee-shootings-near-bucks-playoff-game/
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Over 20 people were shot in Milwaukee.....crickets....
https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/24-wounded-3-killed-from-milwaukee-shootings-near-bucks-playoff-game/
That's the fun part. When the kill ratio goes to one or less per incident it's like it doesn't matter.
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I don't know how people can defend guns during this excrement
Though I don't think any moderate gun control laws would make a huge difference either
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I don't know how people can defend guns during this excrement
Though I don't think any moderate gun control laws would make a huge difference either
Guns should've been made illegal as soon as they were used to murder elementary school kids in CT.
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Guns should've been made illegal as soon as they were used to murder elementary school kids in CT.
I don't give a freak about guns, but this is an absurd overreaction and this is probably the reason gun reform hasn't happened.
Now if you said assault rifles should've been banned after this, I'd say you were completely warranted
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I don't give a freak about guns, but this is an absurd overreaction and this is probably the reason gun reform hasn't happened.
Now if you said assault rifles should've been banned after this, I'd say you were completely warranted
Are you really splitting hairs on gun type?
GFY
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Guns should've been made illegal as soon as they were used to murder elementary school kids in CT.
LOL
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On a side note holy excrement almost 50,000 people die a year from guns in the US, I would've thought that number was way lower.
The biggest red flag is almost 30,000 people die from gun suicide a year. Meaning the US does a horrendous problem with people with severe mental illness having access to guns (plus the severely mental Ill mass shooters)
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Are you really splitting hairs on gun type?
GFY
Uhm yes
Even if the goal was to ban all guns, you have to make it incremental and palatable.
There's freaking over 400 million guns in the United States. A bill to ban all guns is an unrealistic impossibility
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LOL
I'm a fully functional member of society...and I've never fired a shot in my life.
Unless you're hunting for food or in the military, everyday citizens don't need guns.
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Uhm yes
Even if the goal was to ban all guns, you have to make it incremental and palatable.
There's freaking over 400 million guns in the United States. A bill to ban all guns is an unrealistic impossibility
Gun disposal is another convo and doesn't impede enforcing strict laws.
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I'm a fully functional member of society...and I've never fired a shot in my life.
Unless you're hunting for food or in the military, everyday citizens don't need guns.
You're not the one to dictate what people need or don't need in their lives.
It's codified in the most sacred document we have as a nation, so I guess that's just too bad.
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Once the US decided that murdering elementary school kids in school was OK, gun control was dead in the US.
I'd love to see the second amendment repealed but it will never happen, no matter how many children wind up in coffins with legally purchased fire arms.
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Gun disposal is another convo and doesn't impede enforcing strict laws.
You think disposal is the issue?
How about the fact that you have 400 million guns out there, so enforcing and working out the logistics of this would be a complete nightmare.
Regardless I think extreme changes to the law overnight is a horrible way to go about it.
Ban assault rifles, revamp laws pertaining to owning/registering a gun, change the process to purchase a gun.
But to go 0-100 in one shot is not the way to go about things, and certainly is a horrible way at getting public/legislative support
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You're not the one to dictate what people need or don't need in their lives.
It's codified in the most sacred document we have as a nation, so I guess that's just too bad.
Lol...if you're going to continue to be a tone deaf retard, you can refrain from responding. We know where you stand.
Btw, your sacred document is severely flawed.
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You think disposal is the issue?
How about the fact that you have 400 million guns out there, so enforcing and working out the logistics of this would be a complete nightmare.
Regardless I think extreme changes to the law overnight is a horrible way to go about it.
Ban assault rifles, revamp laws pertaining to owning/registering a gun, change the process to purchase a gun.
But to go 0-100 in one shot is not the way to go about things, and certainly is a horrible way at getting public/legislative support
No..I said it's another convo. Try reading it again...you'll get it.
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Once the US decided that murdering elementary school kids in school was OK, gun control was dead in the US.
I'd love to see the second amendment repealed but it will never happen, no matter how many children wind up in coffins with legally purchased fire arms.
They should use the blood from these kids to re-write MJ's sacred document.
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No..I said it's another convo. Try reading it again...you'll get it.
It's also been amended multiple times.
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Imagine hiding behind a 300 year old piece of paper in order to justify the right to carry a needless weapon that nobody has needed since the old west.
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Lol...if you're going to continue to be a tone deaf retard, you can refrain from responding. We know where you stand.
They should use the blood from these kids to re-write MJ's sacred document.
Imagine hiding behind a 300 year old piece of paper in order to justify the right to carry a needless weapon that nobody has needed since the old west.
Hahahahahahaha. Considering what a freaking gigantic sloppy fatz of a boors head you have, its amazing there's not one synapse of worth that fires off.
Imagine being that freaking stupid.
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Hahahahahahaha. Considering what a freaking gigantic sloppy fatz of a boors head you have, its amazing there's not one synapse of worth that fires off.
Imagine being that freaking stupid.
Hopefully the local English Brit in your neighborhood fucked your wife on your wedding night. You wouldn't want to break the ancient law of Prima Nocta. #SacredPaperSZN
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Hopefully the local English Brit in your neighborhood fucked your wife on your wedding night. You wouldn't want to break the ancient law of Prima Nocta. #SacredPaperSZN
LOL @ bringing my wife into this, just the absolute mark of a fat ignorant sack of excrement loser.
Here's hoping that next Arby's order ends in angina.
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LOL @ bringing my wife into this, just the absolute mark of a fat ignorant sack of excrement loser.
Here's hoping that next Arby's order ends in angina.
You're the one following the ancient laws. Just making sure you recognize ALL of them, half pint. *chefs kiss*
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Tailgate will be fun.
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You're the one following the ancient laws. Just making sure you recognize ALL of them, half pint. *chefs kiss*
I know you're an absolute mess of an ignoramus, but maybe open a history book to learn two things;
1. Prima nocte never existed.
2. Read up on what happens to unarmed populaces.
Anyway, I highly recommend you stay the freak away from me at the tailgate. No I'm not kidding.
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I’ll bring the straw
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Judging by the degree of mental illness on this board I hope none of you own guns.
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I know you're an absolute mess of an ignoramus, but maybe open a history book to learn two things;
1. Prima nocte never existed.
2. Read up on what happens to unarmed populaces.
Anyway, I highly recommend you stay the freak away from me at the tailgate. No I'm not kidding.
Prima Nocta existed...you're just retarded
What are you gonna do...bite my ankle? Lol
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LOL @ bringing my wife into this, just the absolute mark of a fat ignorant sack of excrement loser.
Here's hoping that next Arby's order ends in angina.
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Prima Nocta existed...you're just retarded
What are you gonna do...bite my ankle? Lol
Look, I get you get your history from movies and pop culture, but it's widely accepted by historians that the practice never existed you absolute dumb freak.
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Lol, love that, a constant reminder of how you shoot your freaking mouth off with absolutely no regard for the facts at hand.
As a reminder; Kyle Acquittenhouse did nothing wrong.
And let me make this perfectly clear. Say what you want about me, whatever "hur durr ReTaRd" and dumb short jokes you can come up with while I'm going to have to assume you haven't seen your own johnson past your protruding gut since the last time a Canadian hockey team won a cup. Do not bring my wife or any member of my family into this.
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You freaking people get way too personal over this political excrement.
I understand that the reality TV/social media element of politics has turned the whole freaking world into hateful assholes
But jesus freaking christ, no matter how much you hate someone who disagrees with you it'll change absolutely nothing politically in the world. It just makes you a dick
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Look, I get you get your history from movies and pop culture, but it's widely accepted by historians that the practice never existed you absolute dumb freak.
Lol, love that, a constant reminder of how you shoot your freaking mouth off with absolutely no regard for the facts at hand.
As a reminder; Kyle Acquittenhouse did nothing wrong.
And let me make this perfectly clear. Say what you want about me, whatever "hur durr ReTaRd" and dumb short jokes you can come up with while I'm going to have to assume you haven't seen your own johnson past your protruding gut since the last time a Canadian hockey team won a cup. Do not bring my wife or any member of my family into this.
I heard your parents are big racists.
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Also...I don't give a excrement about the personal attacks, MJ. Everyone here knows what a freaking rube you are, so keep spewing them. It's hilarious and all you have.
You certainly don't have any sound arguments.
And you don't have to worry about me staying away from you at the tailgate....i'll make sure to keep an eye out for the dwarf running around with the swastika tattoo on his forehead.
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Also...I don't give a excrement about the personal attacks, MJ. Everyone here knows what a freaking rube you are, so keep spewing them. It's hilarious and all you have.
You certainly don't have any sound arguments.
And you don't have to worry about me staying away from you at the tailgate....i'll make sure to keep an eye out for the dwarf running around with the swastika tattoo on his forehead.
Here's the thing stupid, I don't come with the personal attacks until you go there. And even then, I keep it based on you, no need to go after your freaking wife or your family.
And you go there because you're an unbelievably fragile human being with absolutely no ability to do anything besides act on emotion or impulse, which is what makes that bit of "all you have" projection so laughable. It also explains why your arguments are always wrong from even a factual point of view, and also definitely explains why you're fat with no friends to the point I'm reasonably certain this board is all you have.
freak off and get a clue. And as far as that dig on my parents, they've done more in one day then you've done in your miserable, piece of excrement insignificant little life.
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Haha, thanks for the entertainment, gents.
Mufukkas debating Prima Nocta lolz.
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Apparently the Buffalo shooter was from Conklin, NY. So while I was in college this little excrement was in kindergarten just a few miles down the road. Weird to think about.
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Apparently the Buffalo shooter was from Conklin, NY. So while I was in college this little excrement was in kindergarten just a few miles down the road. Weird to think about.
So you're saying you had the opportunity to prevent this whole thing from happening
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So you're saying you had the opportunity to prevent this whole thing from happening
I don't subscribe to the Baby Hitler strategy.
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2. Read up on what happens to unarmed populaces.
qft
Reading materials:
Japan, a country of 127 million people and yearly gun deaths rarely totaling more than 10, is one such country...
If Japanese people want to own a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written test, and achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test. Then they have to pass a mental-health evaluation, which takes place at a hospital, and pass a background check, in which the government digs into their criminal record and interviews friends and family. They can only buy shotguns and air rifles — no handguns — and every three years they must retake the class and initial exam.
Japan has the 15th highest level of social mobility in the world, according to a report by the World Economic Forum published Monday
Japan ranks second in the world for life expectancy, with the average Japanese citizen living to 85.0 years
Japan’s HDI value for 2019 is 0.919— which put the country in the very high human development category—
positioning it at 19 out of 189 countries and territories
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1004936/japan-case-firearm-harm/
https://www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-how-japan-has-almost-completely-eliminated-gun-deaths-2017-10
https://borgenproject.org/life-expectancy-in-japan/
https://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/Country-Profiles/JPN.pdf
I’ll bring the straw
Cheese dust szn
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That's because in Japan theyd rather kill themselves.
Maybe if we encouraged more of our mentally ill people to shoot themselves they'd stop shooting other people
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That's because in Japan theyd rather kill themselves.
Maybe if we encouraged more of our mentally ill people to shoot themselves they'd stop shooting other people
Aren't we #1 in gun suicides already?
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Aren't we #1 in gun suicides already?
With their superior brain power the Japanese are far better at becoming creative with their methods.
They're still far better at having their mentally ill community self regulate
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Here's the thing stupid, I don't come with the personal attacks until you go there. And even then, I keep it based on you, no need to go after your freaking wife or your family.
And you go there because you're an unbelievably fragile human being with absolutely no ability to do anything besides act on emotion or impulse, which is what makes that bit of "all you have" projection so laughable. It also explains why your arguments are always wrong from even a factual point of view, and also definitely explains why you're fat with no friends to the point I'm reasonably certain this board is all you have.
freak off and get a clue. And as far as that dig on my parents, they've done more in one day then you've done in your miserable, piece of excrement insignificant little life.
I could empty half the JO database just on your personal attacks alone, MJ. Thanks for proving my point.
And i'd rather have zero friends than knowing my family came from a long line of slave owners.
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Aren't we #1 in gun suicides already?
Yes.
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I could empty half the JO database just on your personal attacks alone, MJ. Thanks for proving my point.
Again, I defy you to show an instance where I start with the personal attacks. You don't get to get personal and then whine like a freaking bitch when I respond in kind. I don't go there until there's provocation, and I've still yet to say excrement about anyone in your family, or your significant other. So freak off.
You do this all the time, you literally made fun of someone because of their second job totally freaking unprovoked like the lady garden you are.
And i'd rather have zero friends than knowing my family came from a long line of slave owners.
LMAO, I'm ethnically italian you jerkoff, we had nothing to do with slavery. More history brought to you by MBShitbag.
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Again, I defy you to show an instance where I start with the personal attacks. You don't get to get personal and then whine like a freaking bitch when I respond in kind. I don't go there until there's provocation, and I've still yet to say excrement about anyone in your family, or your significant other. So freak off.
You do this all the time, you literally made fun of someone because of their second job totally freaking unprovoked like the lady garden you are.
LMAO, I'm ethnically italian you jerkoff, we had nothing to do with slavery. More history brought to you by MBShitbag.
I didn't bother reading your response.
All I know is this your final warning. You're a bigger scumbag than Tommy, so tread lightly going forward...
Don't bother responding because nobody cares or wants to read your bullshit justifications.
Thanks.
If you need to say something constructive (I know it's a long shot), you can PM me.
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Have we ever considered renaming this board Get Offensive and dedicate it to calling each other Cunts the whole time?
I think this may be an effective strategy to get this board above like 6 active users
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Have we ever considered renaming this board Get Offensive and dedicate it to calling each other Cunts the whole time?
I think this may be an effective strategy to get this board above like 6 active users
Just be a decent human, and you'll prosper here.
Everyone stopped worrying about the size of our user base years ago. If we have to close up shop because of it, then so be it. For now, we're in a good spot.
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So, chicken or the egg - who started with the personal attacks. Let's go to the videotape in sequence.... (Canada = red; USA = blue)
You're not the one to dictate what people need or don't need in their lives
It's codified in the most sacred document we have as a nation, so I guess that's just too bad.
Lol...if you're going to continue to be a tone deaf retard, you can refrain from responding. We know wheee you stand.
Btw, your sacred document is seriously flawed.
Judges??....
Hahahahahahaha. Considering what a freaking gigantic sloppy fat of a boors head you have its amazing there's not one synapse of worth that fires off.[/color]
Imagine being that freaking stupid.
Point deduction mj: too wordy
Hopefully the local English Brit in your neighborhood fucked your wife on your wedding night. You wouldn't want to break the ancient law of Prima Nocta. #SacredPaperSZN
Point deduction MB for 'English Brit'
LOL @ bringing my wife into this, just the absolute mark of a fat sack of excrement loser.
Here's hoping that next Arby's order ends in angina.
Insouciance should be the rule of thumb here. Airily reply "let's lay off the wives....pregnant pause....I just got off yours,"
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Just be a decent human, and you'll prosper here.
What about being a decent human being is stating that you hope my wife gets fucked by a neighbor and calling my parents slave owners?
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What about being a decent human being is stating that you hope my wife gets fucked by a neighbor and calling my parents slave owners?
I'm not a bastion of knowledge.
I've learned long ago, what's the point in arguing? I'm not saying don't be annoyed or anything as I'm not a fan of the personal excrement.
Like at this point what's responding going to do? He's going to say more excrement, you're going to respond with even more excrement and you'll both end up aggravated and cranky dragging out this argument even longer
It is what it is, settle the rest at Applebee's
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Moron
https://twitter.com/ZachReports/status/1526934213152448512?t=fXNZe95okmzFpL3bpLxvmQ&s=19
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Moron
https://twitter.com/ZachReports/status/1526934213152448512?t=fXNZe95okmzFpL3bpLxvmQ&s=19
Did you read this part?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ZachReports/status/1526942612455837696/photo/1
I could be misunderstanding but it sounds like he's referring to to this guy getting detained in the past and basically being allowed to walk free and keep/acquire his guns.
Is that not a fair statement that that is a problem?
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Did you read this part?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ZachReports/status/1526942612455837696/photo/1
I could be misunderstanding but it sounds like he's referring to to this guy getting detained in the past and basically being allowed to walk free and keep/acquire his guns.
Is that not a fair statement that that is a problem?
Do I think bail reform went too far? In some aspects, yes.
Do I think something drastic was necessary because judges and prosecutors were keeping people in as a tactic to get them to take really shitty plea deals and eat convictions that they otherwise should've been able to defend from the outside? Also yes. Especially considering the whole system is built around the idea that anyone charged is innocent until proven guilty.
And it's easy to say, "well if they didn't do it, they shouldn't plead!" Well, if I was sitting in a jail cell and I knew the only way to get out was to eat the misdemeanor-I'd eat the misdemeanor. "MaYbE jAiL iS tHe BeSt PlAcE fOr ThEm" when it comes to people committing non-violent offenses is archaic bullshit.
What's not being focused on enough is the fact that this piece of excrement was known to local and State law enforcement well before this, but I guess Leticia James is too busy having her office try and bring up charges on Trump to actually investigate such things.
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Do I think bail reform went too far? In some aspects, yes.
Do I think something drastic was necessary because judges and prosecutors were keeping people in as a tactic to get them to take really shitty plea deals and eat convictions that they otherwise should've been able to defend from the outside? Also yes. Especially considering the whole system is built around the idea that anyone charged is innocent until proven guilty.
And it's easy to say, "well if they didn't do it, they shouldn't plead!" Well, if I was sitting in a jail cell and I knew the only way to get out was to eat the misdemeanor-I'd eat the misdemeanor. "MaYbE jAiL iS tHe BeSt PlAcE fOr ThEm" when it comes to people committing non-violent offenses is archaic bullshit.
What's not being focused on enough is the fact that this piece of excrement was known to local and State law enforcement well before this, but I guess Leticia James is too busy having her office try and bring up charges on Trump to actually investigate such things.
I think criminal justice will always bounce between being too harsh, and too inefficient. And culture has certainly shifted in the direction of lawlessness in recent years. I don't think it'll ever be perfect
But I think serial repeat offenders essentially walking free on the daily and or being allowed to own/purchase firearms is a huge problem.
If you look at the vast majority of high-profile cases almost all of them have insanely long rapsheets. This doesn't mean the inevitable outcomes are warranted or justified, just that we're doing an absolute excrement job at figuring out what to do when bad guys are caught.
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Active shooter at a Texas elementary school
https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-elementary-school-reports-active-shooter-campus/story?id=84940951 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-elementary-school-reports-active-shooter-campus/story?id=84940951)
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Active shooter at a Texas elementary school
https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-elementary-school-reports-active-shooter-campus/story?id=84940951 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-elementary-school-reports-active-shooter-campus/story?id=84940951)
Just saw a report saying at least 14 are dead.
The last day of school in most Texas counties is this Thursday. This excrement makes me sick.
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Just saw a report saying at least 14 are dead.
The last day of school in most Texas counties is this Thursday. This excrement makes me sick.
Damn..
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https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1529197482701230080?s=20&t=gODZAsWntTM_9P0XDykBaQ
freak Ted Cruz
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Every report im seeing says 2 dead, one of which is a child.
While lot of people are gonna be severely fucked up regardless, but you hope it's not like the Connecticut situation
Not a whole lot of details coming out yet
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Every report im seeing says 2 dead, one of which is a child.
While lot of people are gonna be severely fucked up regardless, but you hope it's not like the Connecticut situation
Not a whole lot of details coming out yet
https://abc13.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter-district-lockdown/11889693/
14 students killed, 1 teacher dead in elementary school shooting, Texas governor says.
18 year old gunman
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Every report im seeing says 2 dead, one of which is a child.
While lot of people are gonna be severely fucked up regardless, but you hope it's not like the Connecticut situation
Not a whole lot of details coming out yet
Updated headline from the link I posted:
Multiple fatalities, including several children
Seems like a lot more than just two.
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Salvadore Ramos, 18, Uvalde HS student
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Salvadore Ramos, 18, Uvalde HS student
This whole thing here is highly disturbing and I don't think is appropriate
(obviously the whole situation is severely fucked up)
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freaking closing schools for covid was the best thing that could have happened
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I've always poopooed at gun control (despite not giving a excrement about guns at all)
But this mentally deranged freaking lunatic excrement has just made it impossible to defend.
I don't think gun control is the solution, as it'll take decades to filter out the 400 million guns in this country.
But it likely will prevent some of these pointless freaking killings.
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I've always poopooed at gun control (despite not giving a excrement about guns at all)
But this mentally deranged freaking lunatic excrement has just made it impossible to defend.
I don't think gun control is the solution, as it'll take decades to filter out the 400 million guns in this country.
But it likely will prevent some of these pointless freaking killings.
Gun control is absolutely part of the solution. There's never going to be one solution to fix everything, but making guns harder to access for people is at least a start. Obviously, gun control isn't going to fix everything, but it certainly can't hurt.
Of course, some people think everyone should have a gun and that would fix everything, as if that wouldn't lead to countless more issues.
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Gun control is absolutely part of the solution. There's never going to be one solution to fix everything, but making guns harder to access for people is at least a start. Obviously, gun control isn't going to fix everything, but it certainly can't hurt.
Of course, some people think everyone should have a gun and that would fix everything, as if that wouldn't lead to countless more issues.
Oh I agree its part of the solution. I just think it's a part of the solution that might take 10-20 years before it makes a huge difference.
It doesn't mean we shouldn't do it now (we should) rather we need something that'll get much more immediate results while waiting
And on a more realistic note, I don't think meaningful gun control is a realistic possibility. I think it's way too ingrained into the culture of the right, that they would never let it happen.
And I don't forsee the left having the power to do anything about it for at minimum 4 more years. And quite frankly with the rights control of the Supreme Court, I feel like they could rule a lot of gun control laws unconstitutional.
Meaning I'd hey healthcare reform happens before a meaningful gun control ever does
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This is freaking awful.
I dont want to comment any further because I don't feel like getting the 2nd amendment thrown in my face again.
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This whole thing here is highly disturbing and I don't think is appropriate
(obviously the whole situation is severely fucked up)
I don't think Ramos' blowing away scores of innocent lives was appropriate. Should I have waited until next of kin was notified? Guy was a monster - freak him.
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Salvadore Ramos, 18, Uvalde HS student
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I'm not sure what the point of this was aside from getting the person who posted it clicks.
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I don't think Ramos' blowing away scores of innocent lives was appropriate. Should I have waited until next of kin was notified? Guy was a monster - freak him.
I agree but what was the purpose of this video?
To show mobs of angry people a single picture of some weird looking mother fucker then to show all the pictures and names of people he follows on Instagram?
Mentally ill deranged lunatics are a problem, to me this just inspires more of them
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I wonder how many times The Onion will have to use this headline.
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848930767 (https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848930767)
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Maybe this is why conservatives are so obsessed with making abortion illegal, because they know they need to keep replacing the children getting killed as a result of the guns they're obsessed with putting in the hands of nutcases.
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Maybe this is why conservatives are so obsessed with making abortion illegal, because they know they need to keep replacing the children getting killed as a result of the guns they're obsessed with putting in the hands of nutcases.
These are horrible events,more so because it involves young children that certainly show why gun control is necessary.
But historically there's between 50-300 deaths a year from mass shootings in the United States.
This doesn't make the events any less tragic. But it does show the extremely powerful influence of the media in how people think and feel
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These are horrible events,more so because it involves young children that certainly show why gun control is necessary.
But historically there's between 50-300 deaths a year from mass shootings in the United States.
This doesn't make the events any less tragic. But it does show the extremely powerful influence of the media in how people think and feel
There are 45,000 firearm deaths a year in the US. I don't think we should just dismiss individual deaths as a statistic irrelevance, I don't think that 14 ten year olds killed in one go is any more or less tragic than if they were all individually shot and killed, is it?
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Meaning I'd hey healthcare reform happens before a meaningful gun control ever does
And we're gonna need it for all the bullet wounds.
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There are 45,000 firearm deaths a year in the US. I don't think we should just dismiss individual deaths as a statistic irrelevance, I don't think that 14 ten year olds killed in one go is any more or less tragic than if they were all individually shot and killed, is it?
No, but I think different problems behave different solutions.
Mass shootings is one thing. Suicide is another (the vast majority of gun deaths), gang violence, and spousal violence etc.
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No, but I think different problems behave different solutions.
Mass shootings is one thing. Suicide is another (the vast majority of gun deaths), gang violence, and spousal violence etc.
Not having guns within arm's reach of a plurality of people would probably help alleviate all of those issues to varying degrees.
Imagine that. Having multiple problems, all with the same answer. But still, guess you all have to make sure you're ready in case British warships suddenly reappear in Chesapeake Bay. Can't be too careful, eh?
(Not aiming this at you dcm, I know you're not being a 2A defender. Just mocking the people that are.)
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Not having guns within arm's reach of a plurality of people would probably help alleviate all of those issues to varying degrees.
Imagine that. Having multiple problems, all with the same answer. But still, guess you all have to make sure you're ready in case British warships suddenly reappear in Chesapeake Bay. Can't be too careful, eh?
(Not aiming this at you dcm, I know you're not being a 2A defender. Just mocking the people that are.)
These mass shootings are necessary for the protection of small businesses
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No, but I think different problems behave different solutions.
Mass shootings is one thing. Suicide is another (the vast majority of gun deaths), gang violence, and spousal violence etc.
Limiting access to guns in each of the over-arching cases you mentioned absolutely lowers the chances of them occurring.
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These mass shootings are necessary for the protection of small businesses
One of those children could have grown up to become a leftie protester. Can't take the chance.
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These mass shootings are necessary for the protection of small businesses
What's the proper ratio of dead children:roof Koreans?
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Limiting access to guns in each of the over-arching cases you mentioned absolutely lowers the chances of them occurring.
I agree, and no questions asked I support significant gun control if not the outright banning of them (despite this not being feasible and probably never happening in my lifetime)
But you will also get countless people outraged over the deaths of guns (which is a serious issue) but then they'll completely ignore or even sympathize on the issues of drug control/criminalization despite the fact that overdoses kill people at rates of 2-3 times of that of guns.
I absolutely get that some piece of excrement psychopath shooting kids is very different than kids overdosing on crack. But it seems like the issues have become politicized over helping people
Put differently
How many people on both the left and the right would support a bipartisan bill severely restricting/criminalizing both guns and drugs?
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I agree, and no questions asked I support significant gun control if not the outright banning of them (despite this not being feasible and probably never happening in my lifetime)
But you will also get countless people outraged over the deaths of guns (which is a serious issue) but then they'll completely ignore or even sympathize on the issues of drug control/criminalization despite the fact that overdoses kill people at rates of 2-3 times of that of guns.
I absolutely get that some piece of excrement psychopath shooting kids is very different than kids overdosing on crack. But it seems like the issues have become politicized over helping people
Put differently
How many people on both the left and the right would support a bipartisan bill severely restricting/criminalizing both guns and drugs?
OK, but you're basically saying "I know what the right thing to do is but it's really hard so it's probably not worth trying to do".
Do you not think that, given the abject failure of the current Democratic party, the moral vacuum of the current Republican party, and the absolute disingenuous cynicism of both, that it's time to start supporting voices who want something radically different? (And I don't mean Bernie Sanders.)
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I agree, and no questions asked I support significant gun control if not the outright banning of them (despite this not being feasible and probably never happening in my lifetime)
But you will also get countless people outraged over the deaths of guns (which is a serious issue) but then they'll completely ignore or even sympathize on the issues of drug control/criminalization despite the fact that overdoses kill people at rates of 2-3 times of that of guns.
I absolutely get that some piece of excrement psychopath shooting kids is very different than kids overdosing on crack. But it seems like the issues have become politicized over helping people
Put differently
How many people on both the left and the right would support a bipartisan bill severely restricting/criminalizing guns and drugs?
I'm not going to go any further in a tangent conversation than saying that historically, outright prohibition of any substance has only led to proliferation of use and a stigmatization of those using said substances and suffering from the addictive affects thereof, where as decriminalization or outright legalization of those same substances has historically reduced the number of addiction-related deaths.
Drugs, despite their lethality, are not the same issue and should not be approached with the same mindset. This is the last point I am going to make on this topic in this thread.
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OK, but you're basically saying "I know what the right thing to do is but it's really hard so it's probably not worth trying to do".
Do you not think that, given the abject failure of the current Democratic party, the moral vacuum of the current Republican party, and the absolute disingenuous cynicism of both, that it's time to start supporting voices who want something radically different? (And I don't mean Bernie Sanders.)
"Everything is terrible but nothing should change"
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"Everything is terrible but nothing should change"
Not the same thing as "this specific thing is terrible but it's too difficult to change it". But in the same universe, I'll grant you.
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"Everything is terrible but nothing should change"
My thinking was more along the lines of its more feasible for us to create a vaccine for Covid-19 than to eradicate the disease.
Banning guns has been mainstream by the left for what 40-50 years?
How close are we?
When the left gets a super majority I absolutely think and hope they make guns disappear. But until they have that, it's not the path to victory.
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My thinking was more along the lines of its more feasible for us to create a vaccine for Covid-19 than to eradicate the disease.
Banning guns has been mainstream by the left for what 40-50 years?
How close are we?
When the left gets a super majority I absolutely think and hope they make guns disappear. But until they have that, it's not the path to victory.
Just makes no sense how this can't be non-partisan. Crazy to me that abortion and gun control have both completely fallen on partisan lines. You would think those types of issues would have a variety of opinions.
It shouldn't take a left supermajority to get stuff done. And as we saw with Roe, all it takes is one partisan Supreme Court to undo years of progress.
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When the left gets a super majority I absolutely think and hope they make guns disappear. But until they have that, it's not the path to victory.
Unfortunately it's impossible to advocate for such a thing, since "both sides are bad."
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Unfortunately it's impossible to advocate for such a thing, since "both sides are bad."
Bad people can do good things.
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Bad people can do good things.
Like Razor Ramon?
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(https://i.imgur.com/otEMJpT.png)
BUT THE BRITISH MIGHT COME BACK AND BURN THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM
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Like Razor Ramon?
Bad times don't last, but bad guys do.
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(https://i.imgur.com/otEMJpT.png)
BUT THE BRITISH MIGHT COME BACK AND BURN THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM
We won!
Weird that Russia has like 4 guns apparently and all the mass shooters (except USA)
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We won!
Weird that Russia has like 4 guns apparently and all the mass shooters (except USA)
TBF Russia probably has way more guns than anyone knows about, and I'm guessing quite a few more mass shootings as well. But I don't think "hey, Russia's like us too" is a particularly compelling argument.
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I'd imagine there's a few million Soviet AK's floating around the Russian black market.
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THANK YOU GOVERNOR ABBOTT FOR KEEPING OUR CHILDREN SAFE*
*from learning about racism
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220524/75bc0ed5aa2a8d1e9cf85dd50700907a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220524/f1e1a74e12a0bb01e9946b03b64eff98.jpg)
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Re: Russia
There's also this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/b08crz/the_guy_has_balls_made_out_of_adamantium_but_its/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share (https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/b08crz/the_guy_has_balls_made_out_of_adamantium_but_its/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
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Seeing reports that the death toll increased to 21, including 18 children.
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Nightmare fuel
https://twitter.com/MaggieAstor/status/1529217248698806277?t=vu_tetv4UZv_CYI5hJGVVw&s=19
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Salvadore Ramos, 18, Uvalde HS student
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I'm not sure what the point of this was aside from getting the person who posted it clicks.
To present the murderer in an unflattering light. But not to worry, it's been 'cancelled' (i.e. removed*)
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This could have been avoided if they built a wall around the school
https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1529244586341711874?t=TNy-dOenONxX7dFkiGvHCg&s=19
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Steve Kerr not pleased
https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/1529245225654226945?t=WqAeNuO5y_mPQLGPmvU46w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/1529245225654226945?t=WqAeNuO5y_mPQLGPmvU46w&s=19)
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This could have been avoided if they built a wall around the school
https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1529244586341711874?t=TNy-dOenONxX7dFkiGvHCg&s=19
I can understand the narrative of supporting having armed guards at schools.
But the context and narrative of this conversation is absolutely freaking mental, especially at this time and under these circumstances. Plus the fence excrement?
That's absolutely freaking retarded. They'd be better off saying just build a freaking wall at the border because this guy had a Hispanic name and this was right at the border (no I don't think either of these are pertinent factors, but it's less retarded than talking about the schools freaking fence)
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I can understand the narrative of supporting having armed guards at schools.
But the context and narrative of this conversation is absolutely freaking mental, especially at this time and under these circumstances. Plus the fence excrement?
That's absolutely freaking retarded. They'd be better off saying just build a freaking wall at the border because this guy had a Hispanic name and this was right at the border (no I don't think either of these are pertinent factors, but it's less retarded than talking about the schools freaking fence)
All three schools I worked in had armed police officers and all three SROs got their asses kicked by kids during fights. One of them would actively avoid showing up to fights on time, leaving us to break them up. They don’t do a damn thing.
Waffle House-esque security guards aren’t going to make a difference
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All three schools I worked in had armed police officers and all three SROs got their asses kicked by kids during fights. One of them would actively avoid showing up to fights on time, leaving us to break them up. They don’t do a damn thing.
Waffle House-esque security guards aren’t going to make a difference
Neither will cops, apparently
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1529255082914725888?t=yBkxzh-T8mTXeWgV-SqGAg&s=19
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I suppose if you don't like it you could just move somewhere safer like, say, Somalia:
(https://i.imgur.com/97CSBA8.png)
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All three schools I worked in had armed police officers and all three SROs got their asses kicked by kids during fights. One of them would actively avoid showing up to fights on time, leaving us to break them up. They don’t do a damn thing.
Waffle House-esque security guards aren’t going to make a difference
The SRO at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School stood outside while Nikolas Cruz was murdering kids. The evidence on hand for how useful those dudes are in this specific setting is not great.
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Neither will cops, apparently
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1529255082914725888?t=yBkxzh-T8mTXeWgV-SqGAg&s=19
What the freak? What in the actual freak?
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Nightmare fuel
https://twitter.com/MaggieAstor/status/1529217248698806277?t=vu_tetv4UZv_CYI5hJGVVw&s=19
Even more horrifying context:
https://twitter.com/juliettekayyem/status/1529253998418599941?s=20&t=RntG46Q_vPy_q2WcDVSVIA (https://twitter.com/juliettekayyem/status/1529253998418599941?s=20&t=RntG46Q_vPy_q2WcDVSVIA)
https://twitter.com/AnayeliNews/status/1529276451152969733?s=20&t=RntG46Q_vPy_q2WcDVSVIA (https://twitter.com/AnayeliNews/status/1529276451152969733?s=20&t=RntG46Q_vPy_q2WcDVSVIA)
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What the freak? What in the actual freak?
It doesn't exactly state who engaged him.
This guy is a spokesman for the department of public safety, which there's not a lot about online. But it sounds like they offer drivers licenses
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It doesn't exactly state who engaged him.
This guy is a spokesman for the department of public safety, which there's not a lot about online. But it sounds like they offer drivers licenses
From Wikipedia:
The DPS is responsible for statewide law enforcement...
DPS is divided into multiple divisions:
Criminal Investigations
Cyber Security
Driver License
Executive Protection Bureau
Finance
Texas Highway Patrol (State Police)
Information Technology
Infrastructure Operations
Intelligence and Counterterrorism
Law Enforcement Support
Regulatory Services Division
Texas Ranger Division
Training Operations Division
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Department_of_Public_Safety (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Department_of_Public_Safety)
You work in a freaking medical field. You cannot - CANNOT - be this bad at research. They control the highway patrol AND the Texas Rangers. JFC, dude. Do you really think it was the IT or Finance division just hanging out there?
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From Wikipedia:
You work in a freaking medical field. You cannot - CANNOT - be this bad at research. They control the highway patrol AND the Texas Rangers. JFC, dude. Do you really think it was the IT or Finance division just hanging out there?
Yes I saw that, and I figured if it was a Texas ranger or something they'd have mentioned that.
Plus this is their website
https://www.dps.texas.gov/
I find it phenomenally hard to imagine it was someone armed and trained who engaged him
I imagine it was likely something akin to a freaking crossing guard or a meter maid.
Do you think a ranger or a state police officer would just let an arm dude in body armor walk into an elementary school?
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This guy should definitely DIAF
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220525/0afc5ecc470045ebcaa5a9916a8f48dd.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/otEMJpT.png)
BUT THE BRITISH MIGHT COME BACK AND BURN THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM
I don’t care what the laws are in this country or what they were, I don’t care what your political affiliation is-
You are not a smart person if you can’t interpret this data and the root cause of this issue.
So go ahead and argue muh guns, as long as you do it consciously knowing that’s more important to you than the lives of innocent little kids.
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Do you think a ranger or a state police officer would just let an arm dude in body armor walk into an elementary school?
I wouldn't be surprised
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Even more horrifying context:
https://twitter.com/juliettekayyem/status/1529253998418599941?s=20&t=RntG46Q_vPy_q2WcDVSVIA (https://twitter.com/juliettekayyem/status/1529253998418599941?s=20&t=RntG46Q_vPy_q2WcDVSVIA)
https://twitter.com/AnayeliNews/status/1529276451152969733?s=20&t=RntG46Q_vPy_q2WcDVSVIA (https://twitter.com/AnayeliNews/status/1529276451152969733?s=20&t=RntG46Q_vPy_q2WcDVSVIA)
There is no argument for a civilian needing to own an AR15
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https://twitter.com/tom_winter/status/1529297405363073025?s=21&t=ICQUa3k-S1QLU8thluHYYA
Yeah, they couldn’t stop him. He was too heavily armed and armored to stop, so they pulled back and waited for a tactical unit to get there.
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I can't imagine being those parents. Nothing worse.
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https://twitter.com/tom_winter/status/1529297405363073025?s=21&t=ICQUa3k-S1QLU8thluHYYA
Yeah, they couldn’t stop him. He was too heavily armed and armored to stop, so they pulled back and waited for a tactical unit to get there.
Don't worry - if we increase their funding by a few billion more they'll do better next time.
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Do you think a ranger or a state police officer would just let an arm dude in body armor walk into an elementary school?
That's exactly what I figured. And:
https://twitter.com/tom_winter/status/1529297405363073025?s=21&t=ICQUa3k-S1QLU8thluHYYA
Yeah, they couldn’t stop him. He was too heavily armed and armored to stop, so they pulled back and waited for a tactical unit to get there.
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The New York Times
@nytimes
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After a mass shooting left 51 dead in 2019, New Zealand sprang to action, quickly banning most semi-automatic weapons and launching a buyback scheme.
Jacinda Ardern, the country’s prime minister, said the response was “pragmatic.”
https://nyti.ms/3lHVC9m
For dcm's benefit....since he doesn't think this is feasible.
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For dcm's benefit....since he doesn't think this is feasible.
In b4 scaling argument.
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Need a better source, but it sounds like he was wearing one of those tac vests but there was no armor in it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTlJgCsUcAEJVVT?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Aaron Hoyland
@aaronhoyland
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On December 19, 1988, the US Product Safety Commission permanently banned the sale of metal-tipped lawn darts after they were responsible for the deaths of three children. Three.
I guess the founding fathers forgot to include lawn darts in the 2nd amendment.
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For dcm's benefit....since he doesn't think this is feasible.
For starters this isn't an outright gun ban. Your words is banning semi automatic weapons, and only "most" of those. This doesn't address rifles handguns shotguns etc.
If you said is a semi automatic gun ban relatively feasible sure. Except I'm pretty sure anyone can Google how to convert a gun in 10 minutes.
I do think it's plausible that after this you may get a handful of Republicans willing to vote for something which potentially bans some limited aspect of arms
And yes the scaling issue is blatantly freaking obvious too,
New Zealand has 1.5 million guns, America has over 400 million
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For starters this isn't an outright gun ban. Your words is banning semi automatic weapons, and only "most" of those. This doesn't address rifles handguns shotguns etc.
If you said is a semi automatic gun ban relatively feasible sure. Except I'm pretty sure anyone can Google how to convert a gun in 10 minutes.
And yes the scaling issue is blatantly freaking obvious too,
New Zealand has 1.5 million guns, America has over 400 million
You should head over to Uvalde to explain this to all the grieving parents, i'm sure they're going to be interested in your take.
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I do think it's plausible that after this you may get a handful of Republicans willing to vote for something which potentially bans some limited aspect of arms
I don't.
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I don't.
Yep. Nothing will happen. Time heals all shooting outrage.
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They want more guns, not less.
Arm the teachers. That will fix everything.
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Need a better source, but it sounds like he was wearing one of those tac vests but there was no armor in it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTlJgCsUcAEJVVT?format=jpg&name=medium)
So the police are full of excrement? Sounds about right.
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Yep. Nothing will happen. Time heals all shooting outrage.
Sandy Hook was the litmus test, when nothing happened after that it was pretty clear what the deal is.
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So the police are full of excrement? Sounds about right.
They took cover and let him pass.
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They took cover and let him pass.
The RCMP would've stomped him with their horses.
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They took cover and let him pass.
Because they assumed he was wearing body armor
Good guys with guns!
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Sandy Hook was the litmus test, when nothing happened after that it was pretty clear what the deal is.
Yeah. If Sandy Hook wasn't the catalyst, nothing ever will be.
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Because they assumed he was wearing body armor
Good guys with guns!
Looks like this will be difficult. Time to let the kids handle it.
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You should head over to Uvalde to explain this to all the grieving parents, i'm sure they're going to be interested in your take.
I bet you if they ban semi automatic weapons tomorrow the parents grief will be completely relieved.
This looks pretty freaking awful for the police.
I was giving them benefit of the doubt. But if this is true, this completely cripples every argument from the right about MORE GUNS ever. Not that that has ever been supported anyway
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Yeah. If Sandy Hook wasn't the catalyst, nothing ever will be.
Only thing I could imagine that might make a difference is if one of these NRA-supporting senators has their kids/grandkids shot. It'll never happen though because they are likely in private schools. Even then, a little time will go by and the outrage will subside until it happens again. It's the ultimate wash, rinse, repeat cycle except nothing ever gets washed or rinsed.
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Apparently Trump, Cruz, and Crenshaw were (are still as of now?) scheduled to speak at an NRA conference in Texas on Friday.
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The whole site:
(https://i.ibb.co/qsCmdfw/onion.jpg)
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The whole site:
(https://i.ibb.co/qsCmdfw/onion.jpg)
I don't get it
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I don't get it
"I'm a freaking retard. A willfully ignorant, willfully obtuse freaking retard. A lil' help here?"
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Apparently Trump, Cruz, and Crenshaw were (are still as of now?) scheduled to speak at an NRA conference in Texas on Friday.
Crenshaw is in the Ukraine. John Cornyn is citing personal reasons. Based on Cruz's current comments he's still going and will probably say something about how this shouldn't ruin it for law abiding gun owners.
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I don't get it
The Onion runs the same article after every mass shooting. This time, they made it every article.
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The Onion runs the same article after every mass shooting. This time, they made it every article.
You are a more patient, nicer person than I am....at least sometimes on a Jets internet forum.
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Crenshaw is in the Ukraine. John Cornyn is citing personal reasons. Based on Cruz's current comments he's still going and will probably say something about how this shouldn't ruin it for law abiding gun owners.
Pretty sure Abbott is supposed to be speaking there as well.
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The Onion runs the same article after every mass shooting. This time, they made it every article.
Oh I meant I literally didn't get it
It was just a big blank X
Now it works
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Pretty sure Abbott is supposed to be speaking there as well.
Haven't seen his name reported either way but I wouldn't be shocked.
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What law or policy position aside from a total confiscation of firearms (which is a non starter) would have prevented this? I'm genuinely asking this, I'm not trying to be a smartass or insensitive, but given recent discussions in this thread, unfortunately feel as though I have to qualify that question.
You have an 18 year old who illegally purchased about 3 to 5k worth of firearms and accessories which alone is mind blowing.
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What law or policy position aside from a total confiscation of firearms (which is a non starter) would have prevented this? I'm genuinely asking this, I'm not trying to be a smartass or insensitive, but given recent discussions in this thread, unfortunately feel as though I have to qualify that question.
You have an 18 year old who illegally purchased about 3 to 5k worth of firearms and accessories which alone is mind blowing.
Everything I see said he legally purchased them.
https://abc7.com/elementary-school-shooting-texas-shooter-salvador-ramos-uvalde-tx/11893076/
The suspect purchased two AR-15-style rifles on May 22, two days before the massacre and six days after his birthday, multiple law enforcement officials told ABC News. They were legal purchases.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally/
The gunman in the deadliest school shooting in Texas history bought two AR-style rifles legally just after his 18th birthday — days before his assault on Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.
He legally purchased two AR platform rifles from a federally licensed gun store on two days: May 17 — just a day after his birthday — and May 20, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said, according to a briefing that state Sen. John Whitmire, chair of the Senate Criminal Justice Committee, received from state authorities late Tuesday. The gunman bought 375 rounds of 5.56-caliber ammunition on May 18.
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I don't have any data in front of me, but are the vast majority of mass shooters not kids/teenagers?
Hell you need to legally be 21 to buy a freaking hand gun, why the hell can you buy an assault rifle at 18?
Raise the age to own a gun up to freaking 30 and you'll probably get the best results possible short of an outright ban on guns.
Background checks will be a whole lot more useful on people who you know, have an actual freaking background
I don't think you need a scientific study to know that young men are violent freaking retards.
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I don't have any data in front of me, but are the vast majority of mass shooters not kids/teenagers?
Hell you need to legally be 21 to buy a freaking hand gun, why the hell can you buy an assault rifle at 18?
Raise the age to own a gun up to freaking 30 and you'll probably get the best results possible short of an outright ban on guns.
I don't think you need a scientific study to know that young men are violent freaking retards.
Stephen Paddock was 64.
Age is completely irrelevant.
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Stephen Paddock was 64.
Age is completely irrelevant.
Ok and I'm sure there's some women out there who have committed rape. It doesn't change the fact that there are demographics and characteristics that are much more likely to commit these crimes.
I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of mass shootings have been committed by men between the ages of 15-30
Would an outright ban on guns be the best thing? Absolutely.
But there's a 0% chance of it happening in the near future, so it's worth discussing what's the next best thing
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Ok and I'm sure there's some women out there who have committed rape. It doesn't change the fact that there are demographics and characteristics that are much more likely to commit these crimes.
I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of mass shootings have been committed by men between the ages of 15-30
you need to stop
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82% of mass shooters are younger than 45, 98% are male. 60% happen exclusively in the home.
Tell me why statistics don't matter?
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I'll admit...using age demographics as an argument to increase the firearms purchasing limit to 30 years old, i didn't have that on my dumbfuckery bingo card.
You never cease to disappoint, dcm.
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You're right. If they can't outright ban guns they should all just sit around and masturbate while doing nothing instead.
I appreciate your words of wisdom
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It makes no sense that you can buy a gun at 18 but you can't drink until 21. If anything, it should be the opposite.
30 is unreasonable and stupid and doesn't help anything or anyone.
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You're right. If they can't outright ban guns they should all just sit around and masturbate while doing nothing instead.
I appreciate your words of wisdom
It makes no sense that you can buy a gun at 18 but you can't drink until 21. If anything, it should be the opposite.
30 is unreasonable and stupid and doesn't help anything or anyone.
this is called "common sense", dcm....as demonstrated by our peer Derek Smalls.
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I don't understand how banning guns outright is completely reasonable.
But increasing the age to 30 (an arbitrary number I've pulled out of my derriere) is completely unreasonable.
The main "safe guard" for guns is criminal background checks. If you have 18-21 year olds buying guns odds are they won't have much of a criminal history. As they've barely been adults for a freaking minute, and presumably childhood records would be sealed or non existent.
By having the number be higher, you'd likely know who is a homicidal criminal psychopath, thus making background checks more effective.
The reality is every freaking number is arbitrary
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Absolutely no one should own military grade rifles.
Just to reiterate the destructive power of these weapons, the parents have to get DNA swabbed because the bullets completely obliterated the childrens' bodies, making visual identification impossible. I cannot begin to imagine sending your child off to school in the morning only to have to have your mouth swabbed so the authorities can determine which dead, misshapen pile of flesh and sinew only barely recognizable as a human goes in the box they give back to you.
All assault weapons should be banned and the US should institute a by-back program.
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Absolutely no one should own military grade rifles.
Just to reiterate the destructive power of these weapons, the parents have to get DNA swabbed because the bullets completely obliterated the childrens' bodies, making visual identification impossible. I cannot begin to imagine sending your child off to school in the morning only to have to have your mouth swabbed so the authorities can determine which dead, misshapen pile of flesh and sinew only barely recognizable as a human goes in the box they give back to you.
All assault weapons should be banned and the US should institute a by-back program.
"Think of the 30+ year olds who need Uzis, you cruel bastard"
-dcm
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What law or policy position aside from a total confiscation of firearms (which is a non starter) would have prevented this? I'm genuinely asking this, I'm not trying to be a smartass or insensitive, but given recent discussions in this thread, unfortunately feel as though I have to qualify that question.
You have an 18 year old who illegally purchased about 3 to 5k worth of firearms and accessories which alone is mind blowing.
I believe I have provided a workable solution to this on more than one occasion on here, each time after another of these incidents.
Put simply, in my brave new world the only firearms that may be kept in the house are single shot rifles and shotguns, for hunting and pest control and protection from big animals with teeth and antlers i.e. bear and moose. The concept of keeping a firearm in your house for protection against the boogeyman is a massive marketing exercise that the firearms industry has perpetuated for decades and it is long since proven to be garbage. It is now illegal.
The only people permitted to carry a firearm on their person, other than when in the act of hunting, are LEOs and licensed security officers.
There will be an amnesty and/or buyback of all privately owned firearms that are not the aforementioned hunting weapons. However, for those people who wish to continue using their collections for sport shooting, an entirely legitimate use, they will be required to join a licensed shooting club. That shooting club will keep all personally owned firearms at all times in their secured, licensed, insured, and regularly inspected facility. At no time will any individual be allowed to remove a firearm from the facility, if they want to shoot their guns they must go to the club and go make blasty holes in bits of paper at the club range.
In addition, the club will be responsible for ensuring that all members hold an up to date license. This will need to be inspected every year. Should someone's license lapse they will be given 30 days to sell their firearms via the club to another licensed member, or they will be surrendered for destruction. All purchases of new firearms and of ammunition will be conducted through these clubs, it will no longer be possible to make such purchases at Wal-Mart or at gun shows or on the internet. The club will be responsible for ensuring that the correct registration process is followed for all transactions, and correctly reported to the authorities to ensure that title to each firearm in existence is correctly recorded.
This is a lot of change. A lot of people won't like it, for all sorts of reasons. But it does some of what everyone wants:
- keeps firearms out of the hands of nutcases, both directly and indirectly
- massively reduces the illegal trade of firearms
- takes some firearms out of circulation
- allows people to retain ownership to and use of property that they legally purchased and owned
- ensures that people who actually need firearms for specific purposes continue to be able to own and use them
- keeps legitimate sport shooters able to pursue their sport with minimal disruption
- allows the multi billion dollar firearm industry to continue to be a multi billion dollar industry, all be it with some significant changes (I'm about to make ranges and clubs a massive multi billion dollar industry)
People who won't like it:
- the NRA
- politicians in the pay of the NRA
- people who feel naked without a metal crotch extension in their pocket
People who will (or should) like it:
- Schoolchildren who are now not dead
- Parents of schoolchildren who are now not dead
- Doctors who have to try and stop schoolchildren becoming dead in their ERs
- Cops
- Insurance companies
- People who own gun clubs and ranges
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I've never liked Beto before.
https://twitter.com/JamaalBowmanNY/status/1529525056212172801?t=iap-UC66SP31CsDeQ5iBvg&s=19 (https://twitter.com/JamaalBowmanNY/status/1529525056212172801?t=iap-UC66SP31CsDeQ5iBvg&s=19)
Even if this does nothing I like it better than Schumer's "Oh well, guess we got to vote in November."
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The dumbest solution is the one Republicans talk about training teachers with guns. Really? You're going to pay teachers such poor salaries that they often need to get second jobs or rich spouses to support them. There are teacher shortages all over the country in large part because of that.
Now you're going to give them guns and train them to be the "good guy with a gun?" First, not all of them are good guys. Second, this isn't what they signed up for. You think they'll know exactly what to do in a situation like this? What if they have a quick trigger or are falsely alarmed? What if they can't aim? What if a crazy student knows the teachers have guns and find a way to take them first?
A trained police officer couldn't stop this kid. Now we're trusting a teacher? Good luck with that.
Or, yanno, we could just try some form of gun control. I get the MJ answer of "would it have prevented this?" Some laws definitely would make it harder for people to acquire these weapons, and it sounds like Ramos legally acquired his. But even if they don't, not doing anything is a definition of insanity. So is arming the teachers.
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Peter Frampton
@peterframpton
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26 years ago, a gunman entered
Dunblane Primary School in Scotland,
killing 16 kids and a teacher. The UK
govt responded by enacting tight gun
control legislation. In the 9400+ days
since, there have been a total of O
school shootings in the UK. #Uvalde
this isn't rocket science.
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In b4 scaling argument.
I'm pro gun control, but there is definitely a scaling issue with the US.
The us has more unregistered guns than people.
Think about that for a second 350 million guns
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For starters this isn't an outright gun ban. Your words is banning semi automatic weapons, and only "most" of those. This doesn't address rifles handguns shotguns etc.
The majority of funs are semi automatic....
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Eliminate the AR-15 which is the preferred firearm of mass shooters
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Eliminate the AR-15 which is the preferred firearm of mass shooters
Targeting specific models is an exercise in futile legislation.
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Onion:
FAIRFAX, VA—National Rifle Association Executive Vice President and CEO Wayne LaPierre said Monday that somewhere around 1,000 kids would have to die in a school shooting in order for the organization to reconsider their longstanding opposition to gun control.
“Yeah, that’s probably the only way we’d reassess much of anything at this point: 1,000 dead kids, shot up pretty good, lying face down in the school auditorium or something like that,” LaPierre said, noting that anything less than 1,000 dead kids would not be enough for the NRA to stop urging Congress to pass pro-gun legislation. “I mean, that’s just a ballpark number, but I imagine seeing 1,000 or so body bags being wheeled out of a school and a whole town of crying parents would probably make us reflect on our values for at least a little bit.”
“So yeah, more or less 1,000 dead kids,” LaPierre added. “Something around there. And teachers don’t count.”
In his 21st year leading the right-wing lobbying group, LaPierre reiterated that “350 or 470 dead kids or some low number like that” would have no impact on the NRA’s belief that there should be more firearms on college campuses or that concealed carry laws should be more lax.
In order to reconsider their position on the Brady Bill, this amount of kids multiplied by 200 would have to be shot to death in school.
In addition, LaPierre added that while 800 dead kids in one school shooting would “certainly be a little closer to the number we’re talking about here,” ultimately that amount would, according to the NRA, constitute more of a society issue than a gun issue.
“For us to come anywhere close to reassessing our beliefs, it’s gotta be one of those deals where a ton of kids get their heads blown off in school and there is one of those big, town-wide memorial services where they read off all the names of all the dead kids and you feel like, wow, that has to be somewhere around 1,000 names,” said LaPierre, adding that seeing pictures of all the dead kids in front of the “pastor or whoever is doing the eulogies or whatever” might be a sobering enough visual for the NRA to reconsider whether it should be harder, not easier, to acquire firearms. “And I think the shooter would also have to use around 30 different types of guns in the shooting in order for us to rethink what the Founding Fathers intended when they wrote the Second Amendment.”
The former member of the American Conservative Union’s board of directors further qualified his statement, adding that the NRA’s response to 1,000 or so kids being mowed down by a school shooter would more than likely vary based on the age of the students, the school’s demographics, and the extenuating circumstances of the situation as a whole.
Though he didn’t offer a reason why, LaPierre said 1,000 dead 14-year-olds is “not even close to the same thing” as 1,000 dead 18-year-olds.
“If we’re talking about one of those big high schools with 4,000 students then 1,000 dead ones aren’t really even a drop in the bucket, you know?” LaPierre said, explaining that if an uzi-carrying 16-year-old only kills 45 percent of a school’s total population, the NRA would still be more inclined to blame the shooting on poor parenting, and wouldn’t consider soft gun laws to be part of the problem. “Oh, and of course, if it’s a giant state university or something like that then I’d imagine we’d need to see numbers closer to 8,000 dead kids before we really even begin to talk about potentially having a conversation about changing our philosophy.”
“And for argument’s sake, let’s say it’s a situation where 999 people die and the 1,000th person is just the school shooter blowing his brains out,” LaPierre continued. “Do you honestly expect me to take that seriously? To me, that seems more like an isolated incident that shouldn’t really impact everyone’s rights, you know?”
While some believed that LaPierre’s remarks finally indicated a slight loosening of the NRA’s pro-gun stance, LaPierre was forced to clarify his comments after his membership criticized him for introducing the idea that a playground full of bullet-riddled dead kids might cause the NRA to reconsider their position on gun control if even for a second.
“At the end of the day, I want to make it very clear that the NRA is in absolutely no rush to change anything,” LaPierre later said in a written statement. “One thousand dead kids would have very little impact on us. Now if 50,000 kids died in a school shooting that might be a different story. Something around 50,000 to 80,000 dead kids. You know what, forget that. Maybe something closer to 250,000. Yeah, 250,000 dead kids.”
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Targeting specific models is an exercise in fusile legislation.
Hehe
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I believe I have provided a workable solution to this on more than one occasion on here, each time after another of these incidents.
Put simply, in my brave new world the only firearms that may be kept in the house are single shot rifles and shotguns, for hunting and pest control and protection from big animals with teeth and antlers i.e. bear and moose. The concept of keeping a firearm in your house for protection against the boogeyman is a massive marketing exercise that the firearms industry has perpetuated for decades and it is long since proven to be garbage. It is now illegal.
The only people permitted to carry a firearm on their person, other than when in the act of hunting, are LEOs and licensed security officers.
There will be an amnesty and/or buyback of all privately owned firearms that are not the aforementioned hunting weapons. However, for those people who wish to continue using their collections for sport shooting, an entirely legitimate use, they will be required to join a licensed shooting club. That shooting club will keep all personally owned firearms at all times in their secured, licensed, insured, and regularly inspected facility. At no time will any individual be allowed to remove a firearm from the facility, if they want to shoot their guns they must go to the club and go make blasty holes in bits of paper at the club range.
In addition, the club will be responsible for ensuring that all members hold an up to date license. This will need to be inspected every year. Should someone's license lapse they will be given 30 days to sell their firearms via the club to another licensed member, or they will be surrendered for destruction. All purchases of new firearms and of ammunition will be conducted through these clubs, it will no longer be possible to make such purchases at Wal-Mart or at gun shows or on the internet. The club will be responsible for ensuring that the correct registration process is followed for all transactions, and correctly reported to the authorities to ensure that title to each firearm in existence is correctly recorded.
This is a lot of change. A lot of people won't like it, for all sorts of reasons. But it does some of what everyone wants:
- keeps firearms out of the hands of nutcases, both directly and indirectly
- massively reduces the illegal trade of firearms
- takes some firearms out of circulation
- allows people to retain ownership to and use of property that they legally purchased and owned
- ensures that people who actually need firearms for specific purposes continue to be able to own and use them
- keeps legitimate sport shooters able to pursue their sport with minimal disruption
- allows the multi billion dollar firearm industry to continue to be a multi billion dollar industry, all be it with some significant changes (I'm about to make ranges and clubs a massive multi billion dollar industry)
People who won't like it:
- the NRA
- politicians in the pay of the NRA
- people who feel naked without a metal crotch extension in their pocket
People who will (or should) like it:
- Schoolchildren who are now not dead
- Parents of schoolchildren who are now not dead
- Doctors who have to try and stop schoolchildren becoming dead in their ERs
- Cops
- Insurance companies
- People who own gun clubs and ranges
It took me freaking ages to type this, so I will take the complete lack of response to it as you all sitting there thinking JE4Prez.
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https://twitter.com/CalltoActivism/status/1529581012631658498?t=l9QsFPRZY8R3FzETtc5G2w&s=19
https://twitter.com/CalltoActivism/status/1529581012631658498?t=l9QsFPRZY8R3FzETtc5G2w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/CalltoActivism/status/1529581012631658498?t=l9QsFPRZY8R3FzETtc5G2w&s=19)
Texas is a crisis.
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It took me freaking ages to type this, so I will take the complete lack of response to it as you all sitting there thinking JE4Prez.
I think it's well thought out. I personally love Japan as a model for gun safety, just because it's what I'm familiar with, and personally the peace of mind when spending significant time there compared to growing up in a neighborhood that had real issues with gun violence was so incredibly stark.
I do think that there are more realistic gun control options for the US, something akin to Sweden's regulations (year long class+totally clean criminal record before being allowed to own guns)
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This once was included in America's pastime and on the MLB level no less
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Al_Spangler_1963.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Bob_Aspromonte.JPG)
Today you wouldn't even think of adorning a baseball jersey/hat with a .45 cal. revolver let alone a non-civilian class of weapon
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/АК-47.jpg/320px-АК-47.jpg)
Obviously a cultural reboot will need to take place. Years ago (at the pharmacy counter) it was "A pack of Marlboro's"...and then quietly...."er, and a pack of Trojans." Nowadays it's the opposite. Cigarette culture's changed. I know cigs & guns are apples & oranges, my point being that revamping the landscape will take time and be painful but can and will eventually come to fruition. TL:DR here....but the question is: are you prepared to put up with the pratfalls including the 'accidental (disarming) shootings' that will assuredly occur over the course of this societal transformation? Food for thought for chewing the fat on Oct. 9th at MetLife...again, "TL; DR" for here & now. That said two observations:
- Greg Abbot (donning a dark blue 'cop shirt') looked like some cheeseball P.D. Chief out of a 70's cop show. F U gov.
- Beto O'Rourke's Helen of Troy grandstanding had zero chance of moving any needles. Real change will go through different channels, not tv-friendly #outrage displays..
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This once was included in America's pastime and on the MLB level no less
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Al_Spangler_1963.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Bob_Aspromonte.JPG)
Today you wouldn't even think of adorning a baseball jersey/hat with a .45 cal. revolver let alone a non-civilian class of weapon
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/АК-47.jpg/320px-АК-47.jpg)
Obviously a cultural reboot will need to take place. Years ago (at the pharmacy counter) it was "A pack of Marlboro's"...and then quietly...."er, and a pack of Trojans." Nowadays it's the opposite. Cigarette culture's changed. I know cigs & guns are apples & oranges, my point being that revamping the landscape will take time and be painful but can and will eventually come to fruition. TL:DR here....but the question is: are you prepared to put up with the pratfalls including the 'accidental (disarming) shootings' that will assuredly occur over the course of this societal transformation? Food for thought for chewing the fat on Oct. 9th at MetLife...again, "TL; DR" for here & now. That said two observations:
- Greg Abbot (donning a dark blue 'cop shirt') looked like some cheeseball P.D. Chief out of a 70's cop show. F U gov.
- Beto O'Rourke's Helen of Troy grandstanding had zero chance of moving any needles. Real change will go through different channels, not tv-friendly #outrage displays..
Richmond Rubbers would be a hell of a team name.
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https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683 (https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683)
I'm laughing because otherwise I'd be screaming.
freaking useless.
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Normally I'm not one to criticize how people express their grief, but this ain't it Barry.
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1529555038246428672?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683 (https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683)
I'm laughing because otherwise I'd be screaming.
freaking useless.
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961?s=21&t=bOv8E0l5FjRFrqMuIXUogw
Sickening
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https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529652093354536961?s=21&t=bOv8E0l5FjRFrqMuIXUogw
Sickening
Look at all that tac gear. Crucial equipment when you need to take out a desperate parent.
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Look at all that tac gear. Crucial equipment when you need to take out a desperate parent.
Those pussies should have handed their gear off to the parents if they’re too scared to do their jobs. Tough guys when it’s an unarmed black kid or chasing someone down to issue a traffic citation.
The shooter was in the school for over an hour before he was confronted and shot, again I am sick.
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Drawing freaking tasers on the parents while their kids are getting shot inside.
I can listen to about 10 seconds of audio before it becomes overwhelming so I have no idea what is being said, but all of those cops are wearing Kevlar vests, looks like without ceramic plating (can't tell whether the ones wrestling with not the shooter on the ground have plates or not), and all carrying M4/M16 rifles. They have more than enough man power to enter the school and sweep it for the shooter. If this wasn't sickening it'd be laughable.
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Drawing freaking tasers on the parents while their kids are getting shot inside.
America is bizarro world. Jesus.
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1529817124256026624?s=21&t=4z5VKg6MCciRv3MkV-NtYQ
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1529817124256026624?s=21&t=4z5VKg6MCciRv3MkV-NtYQ
what
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what
My reaction when I learned he’s running for Senate
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1529817124256026624?s=21&t=4z5VKg6MCciRv3MkV-NtYQ
dissociative identity disorder is srs bizness
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1529817124256026624?s=21&t=4z5VKg6MCciRv3MkV-NtYQ
My reaction when I learned he’s running for Senate
This is something Mitch and Trump agreed on.
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https://twitter.com/RealCedricDark/status/1529630100299337730?s=20&t=Ny-PDvqXA8CR51BQ2H3crA (https://twitter.com/RealCedricDark/status/1529630100299337730?s=20&t=Ny-PDvqXA8CR51BQ2H3crA)
Greg Abbot keeps doing this to his own people and they don't freaking deserve to have to suffer these consequences.
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what
cainkillabel
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I Hurshul and I gonna say a bunch a words that I heard somewhere in a big ol jumble and you just hear that I talk for a minute and guns rights.
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cainkillabel
DJ Bean should run against him
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https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1529842630594416640?s=20&t=FdzxDAtiytRQI8Gm-V6qmQ
Ted Cruz got owned here.
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https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1529842630594416640?s=20&t=FdzxDAtiytRQI8Gm-V6qmQ
Ted Cruz got owned here.
I was so frustrated watching this. It's the same "gun bans won't work" bullshit with absolutely no alternatives offered. The GOP policy for gun violence continues to be "blame it on mental health, then do nothing".
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I was so frustrated watching this. It's the same "gun bans won't work" bullshit with absolutely no alternatives offered. The GOP policy for gun violence continues to be "blame it on mental health, then do nothing".
Blame it on mental health, don't fund mental health.
Blame it on the democrats bad proposals, don't have any counterproposals.
Blame it on politics, when most of the country seems to have a similar viewpoint at least on this topic.
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These absolute reflex of these guys to say “don’t make it political”
Sorry I don’t think being against elementary student getting slaughtered is political. If you want to be on the “other side of the aisle” for that then enjoy your AIDS
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These absolute reflex of these guys to say “don’t make it political”
Sorry I don’t think being against elementary student getting slaughtered is political. If you want to be on the “other side of the aisle” for that then enjoy your AIDS
"They're trying to make it political!"
Yes, because nothing else has fixed this.
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"Politics is just a fun power game we play and real life is something else entirely."
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These absolute reflex of these guys to say “don’t make it political”
Sorry I don’t think being against elementary student getting slaughtered is political. If you want to be on the “other side of the aisle” for that then enjoy your AIDS
Yep. It's infuriating. Immediately blaming the media and blaming politics. But Ted Cruz is the worst, so there's that.
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I Hurshul and I gonna say a bunch a words that I heard somewhere in a big ol jumble and you just hear that I talk for a minute and guns rights.
Now why you gotta go be do like that?
GOP fucked up thinking this numbskull's football legacy's gonna carry him what with the shlitload of personal (domestic violence) baggage he himself's carrying. Dems should take a page out of the NY Rangers fans 'Dennis Potvin' playbook: "beat your wife Potvin, beat your wife!" clap, clap
Ulverde cops should adorn their squad cars with: "To Serve Sans Conscience and With Cowardice"
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https://twitter.com/tplohetski/status/1529852949060534273?t=Ej766trnu-_bKcv0oK_Mow&s=19 (https://twitter.com/tplohetski/status/1529852949060534273?t=Ej766trnu-_bKcv0oK_Mow&s=19)
"Authorities" (quotation marks because not specified) will be examining the response of the Uvalde PD during the shooting. This is a normal procedure after any major action but it is going to intensely scrutinized here
All I can say is the response by the public will not be considered "measured" if the whole PD is cleared.
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Herschel Walker would be the new, undisputed, dumbest member of Congress and it won't be close. That is saying...a lot, but that dude makes Louie Gohmert look like a Rhodes scholar. He's too dumb to think. Quite literally mentally challenged.
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Herschel Walker would be the new, undisputed, dumbest member of Congress and it won't be close. That is saying...a lot, but that dude makes Louie Gohmert look like a Rhodes scholar. He's too dumb to think. Quite literally mentally challenged.
With all due respect bomeister as dumb-as-dirt Louie Gohmert surely is, I have to hand the golden horses' butt award to Ga's Hank Johnson who took "the earth is flat" mentality to a whole 'nuther level by suggesting that the island of Guam would capsize:
"My fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize,"
Hank's "ship list" hypothesizing should top many a "shlt list"
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With all due respect bomeister as dumb-as-dirt Louie Gohmert surely is, I have to hand the golden horses' butt award to Ga's Hank Johnson who took "the earth is flat" mentality to a whole 'nuther level by suggesting that the island of Guam would capsize:
"My fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize,"
Hank's "ship list" hypothesizing should top many a "shlt list"
Now now, this goes against the larger board ethos of GOP bad. As I said in another post, Sheila Jackson Lee, and it's not even close.
Anyway, having looked at the footage put out by Posobiec of the utter inactivity of the police outside the building as this monster was mowing down schoolchildren, over the last two years if the cops of this country had a stated goal of pissing everyone off on both sides of the aisle, they're doing great!
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Now now, this goes against the larger board ethos of GOP bad. As I said in another post, Sheila Jackson Lee, and it's not even close.
Anyway, having looked at the footage put out by Posobiec of the utter inactivity of the police outside the building as this monster was mowing down schoolchildren, over the last two years if the cops of this country had a stated goal of pissing everyone off on both sides of the aisle, they're doing great!
Yep. This country has a policing problem. Both sides can disagree specifically on what the problems are and how to fix them, but they usually aren't effective enough when we need them, and there have always been issues in terms of how they treat minorities.
Obviously, there's a bit of a bias in that we hear more about the times they screw up than the times they do well, but nobody should be happy with the state of policing in this country.
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https://twitter.com/TheBeaverton/status/1529888842278395904?s=20&t=FdzxDAtiytRQI8Gm-V6qmQ
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Yep. This country has a policing problem. Both sides can disagree specifically on what the problems are and how to fix them, but they usually aren't effective enough when we need them, and there have always been issues in terms of how they treat minorities.
Obviously, there's a bit of a bias in that we hear more about the times they screw up than the times they do well, but nobody should be happy with the state of policing in this country.
Isnt thay why we want to arm teachers in the classroom? So they can do a better job?
/s
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1529729614309900290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1529729614309900290%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fted-cruz-storms-out-of-british-interview-when-asked-about-gun-violence-after-texas-school-shooting
Gotta love cruz spewing propaganda and then telling the reporter to stop being a propagandaist
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1529729614309900290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1529729614309900290%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fted-cruz-storms-out-of-british-interview-when-asked-about-gun-violence-after-texas-school-shooting
Gotta love cruz spewing propaganda and then telling the reporter to stop being a propagandaist
i posted this 1 page ago
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Isnt thay why we want to arm teachers in the classroom? So they can do a better job?
/s
Yep. No better way to help the nationwide teacher shortage than by forcing them to be armed protectors of 3rd graders for $50K a year.
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i posted this 1 page ago
Congrats
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Congrats
try to keep up
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"They're trying to make it political!"
Yes, because nothing else has fixed this.
It's funny because the reporter said nothing about politics. He didn't mention right or left, but somehow he's making it political
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1529729614309900290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1529729614309900290%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fted-cruz-storms-out-of-british-interview-when-asked-about-gun-violence-after-texas-school-shooting
Gotta love cruz spewing propaganda and then telling the reporter to stop being a propagandaist
Yeah, that's not spewing propaganda.
ArM TeAcHeRs is a strawman. What's not is the reality that there are proposals circulating in which schools would have more of a security presence, but the same people that shipped 40 billion to the Ukraine are crying about expense.
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Yep. No better way to help the nationwide teacher shortage than by forcing them to be armed protectors of 3rd graders for $50K a year.
Try $32K in most southern school districts for new teachers
It’s around $50K in Austin which seems alright but cost of living here is a goddamn joke
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https://twitter.com/patshoppedup/status/1529679077040439297?s=21&t=-qneYFSmzTtIF_Ln25YkDg
They just needed more money
40% of town budget with a population of 16K people
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https://twitter.com/ernie_zuniga/status/1529872688939995136?s=21&t=-qneYFSmzTtIF_Ln25YkDg
JFC
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https://twitter.com/billfoxla/status/1529895723243909141?s=21&t=-qneYFSmzTtIF_Ln25YkDg
Lol so they freaking lied yesterday?
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https://twitter.com/ernie_zuniga/status/1529872688939995136?s=21&t=-qneYFSmzTtIF_Ln25YkDg
JFC
If she's as young as she looks, I'd think there would be more to it than just a heart attack
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If she's as young as she looks, I'd think there would be more to it than just a heart attack
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1529897080927531037?s=21&t=tuuZ7yA3MPABdwDKhWFELg
Not sure why your comment was needed but it was certainly on brand
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https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1529897080927531037?s=21&t=tuuZ7yA3MPABdwDKhWFELg
Not sure why your comment was needed but it was certainly on brand
I suppose it was the picture of the wife that threw me off.
A woman in her 40s dropping dead of a heart attack is highly unusual.
But it was the husband who died
I clearly wasn't paying close enough attention
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https://twitter.com/billfoxla/status/1529895723243909141?s=21&t=-qneYFSmzTtIF_Ln25YkDg
Lol so they freaking lied yesterday?
I'm trying hard to understand this.
Scenario 1:
They confused a report they received early on in the call and passed it on to the media.
Scenario 2:
They just assumed there was an SRO there and then assumed that said SRO would do their job without bothering to check.
Scenario 3:
They, bafflingly, thought that making it seem like officers engaged the gunman but were unable to stop him would make the police force look like they were doing something, rather than waiting outside for the SWAT team to show up.
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Uvalde SWAT team had done a walkthrough of the school in Feb to prepare for just such a situation
Outside observers saying Uvalde police ignored every lesson learned since Columbine
https://twitter.com/the_cleric/status/1494063483616477185?s=21&t=1QsTQ0gAtwTcZkb4lQDoeQ
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Yeah, that's not spewing propaganda.
ArM TeAcHeRs is a strawman. What's not is the reality that there are proposals circulating in which schools would have more of a security presence, but the same people that shipped 40 billion to the Ukraine are crying about expense.
1. It's not a strawman when prominent Republicans are suggesting it as a solution. I wish it were a strawman, but this is what prominent members of your party have suggested.
Ken Paxton quote: “We can’t stop bad people from doing bad things. We can potentially arm and prepare and train teachers and other administrators to respond quickly. That, in my opinion, is the best answer,”
2. This school had just spent a lot of money on upgrading its security. They hired a police force. They built a fence. None of it stopped this from happening.
https://twitter.com/SuzyKhimm/status/1529625828895727617
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1529729614309900290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1529729614309900290%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fted-cruz-storms-out-of-british-interview-when-asked-about-gun-violence-after-texas-school-shooting
i posted this 1 page ago
Congrats
Try to keep up
Here it is, two politically fraternal JO studs who'd normally be deep-Frenching each other but instead choose to get bogged-down in a petty "I was first, dickbag!" penis swordfight.
And you wonder why your "bad guys - opposition party" are able to get their foot in the door? MBG.. you of all people U studboy... :-)
#cumonmyprogressivetits : -)
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Blame it on mental health, don't fund mental health.
This is the most infuriating for me. Like, yes, mental health definitely plays a part in these shootings and it is GOOD that prominent members of the GOP identifies it as part of the problem (despite them doing this in an attempt to keep scrutiny away from gun control legislation). But why do they insist over and over across so many parts of the country to cut funding from programs that target mental health interventions in children and teens? There is so, so little money and resources there for people and organizations who want to do good mental health work that might theoretically cut down on the frequency of mass shootings.
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This is the most infuriating for me. Like, yes, mental health definitely plays a part in these shootings and it is GOOD that prominent members of the GOP identifies it as part of the problem (despite them doing this in an attempt to keep scrutiny away from gun control legislation). But why do they insist over and over across so many parts of the country to cut funding from programs that target mental health interventions in children and teens? There is so, so little money and resources there for people and organizations who want to do good mental health work that might theoretically cut down on the frequency of mass shootings.
I think they see instances such as this as a symptom of the collapse of American family values instead of a symptom of a growing public health crisis. Can't fix crazy by throwing cash at socialism workers and so on.
At least that's what I think about the ones who genuinely think public mental health is the core problem. Most are just deflecting until the next news cycle.
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https://twitter.com/MyCancerJourne3/status/1529933108182515713?t=hcrVqkcoJHpDS3tvdS4u0g&s=19 (https://twitter.com/MyCancerJourne3/status/1529933108182515713?t=hcrVqkcoJHpDS3tvdS4u0g&s=19)
I just... I hope he's lying. I honestly hope he's lying because I'd rather live in a world where a grieving family member would try to discredit someone they felt was responsible for the death of a relative rather than a world where a sitting governor would send a representative to try to bribe a grieving family member and then threaten them when they wouldn't play ball.
It would be so much easier to move on from the former than the latter. But I have seen too much from Abbott to be able to dismiss this outright.
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Yeah, that's not spewing propaganda.
Cruz, "why sir do people come to America? Because it's the freest, safest, most prosperous country in the world."
prop·a·gan·da
/ˌpräpəˈɡandə/
noun
1.information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
That sir, is propaganda.
ArM TeAcHeRs is a strawman.
It is not a strawman it is a talking point that consistently is brought up by the right as a tactic to make schools safe.
but the same people that shipped 40 billion to the Ukraine are crying about expense.
Now this sir is a strawman. The problem isn't the cost, the problem is paying for something that won't fix the problem. It's the border wall all over again. The wall, just like school security is not the root cause of this problem.
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https://twitter.com/MyCancerJourne3/status/1529933108182515713?t=hcrVqkcoJHpDS3tvdS4u0g&s=19 (https://twitter.com/MyCancerJourne3/status/1529933108182515713?t=hcrVqkcoJHpDS3tvdS4u0g&s=19)
I just... I hope he's lying. I honestly hope he's lying because I'd rather live in a world where a grieving family member would try to discredit someone they felt was responsible for the death of a relative rather than a world where a sitting governor would send a representative to try to bribe a grieving family member and then threaten them when they wouldn't play ball.
It would be so much easier to move on from the former than the latter. But I have seen too much from Abbott to be able to dismiss this outright.
That does seem a little over the top.
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https://twitter.com/MyCancerJourne3/status/1529933108182515713?t=hcrVqkcoJHpDS3tvdS4u0g&s=19 (https://twitter.com/MyCancerJourne3/status/1529933108182515713?t=hcrVqkcoJHpDS3tvdS4u0g&s=19)
I just... I hope he's lying. I honestly hope he's lying because I'd rather live in a world where a grieving family member would try to discredit someone they felt was responsible for the death of a relative rather than a world where a sitting governor would send a representative to try to bribe a grieving family member and then threaten them when they wouldn't play ball.
It would be so much easier to move on from the former than the latter. But I have seen too much from Abbott to be able to dismiss this outright.
That does seem a little over the top.
It doesn't make sense, not even from a scumbag standpoint more so from a you have 100,000x more to lose than gain.
Best I can tell is according to this poster they had a liver transplant 11 days ago (according to their tweets). And from first hand knowledge extreme delirium is incredibly common after transplants.
To be quite frank I find it somewhat difficult to believe this person has been home for several days after allegedly having a liver transplant 11 days ago.
I don't know what to make of any of this other than it's not even a little bit believable.
I'm sure there will be plenty of scumbag moments from politicians in the immediate aftermath of all of this, this just likely will not be one
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Here it is, two politically fraternal JO studs who'd normally be deep-Frenching each other but instead choose to get bogged-down in a petty "I was first, dickbag!" penis swordfight.
And you wonder why your "bad guys - opposition party" are able to get their foot in the door? MBG.. you of all people U studboy... :-)
#cumonmyprogressivetits : -)
I'm not sure what you mean. I clearly congratulated him... =)
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It doesn't make sense, not even from a scumbag standpoint more so from a you have 100,000x more to lose than gain.
Best I can tell is according to this poster they had a liver transplant 11 days ago (according to their tweets). And from first hand knowledge extreme delirium is incredibly common after transplants.
To be quite frank I find it somewhat difficult to believe this person has been home for several days after allegedly having a liver transplant 11 days ago.
I don't know what to make of any of this other than it's not even a little bit believable.
I'm sure there will be plenty of scumbag moments from politicians in the immediate aftermath of all of this, this just likely will not be one
DCM cap expert as well as Healthcare extraordinaire
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DCM cap expert as well as Healthcare extraordinaire
I mean I do work in Healthcare and do transplants so...
But you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that someone's mind is going to be fucked up after having major surgery, being started on excrement ton of extremely powerful immunosuppressive drugs, and being started on high dose opiod narcotics
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https://twitter.com/rachelmillman/status/1529960335549030423?t=Erzs4-5UqHM0kOs6RQO9vw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/rachelmillman/status/1529960335549030423?t=Erzs4-5UqHM0kOs6RQO9vw&s=19)
Yeah, looks like he's lying.
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Cruz, "why sir do people come to America? Because it's the freest, safest, most prosperous country in the world."
prop·a·gan·da
/ˌpräpəˈɡandə/
noun
1.information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
That sir, is propaganda.
It is not a strawman it is a talking point that consistently is brought up by the right as a tactic to make schools safe.
Now this sir is a strawman. The problem isn't the cost, the problem is paying for something that won't fix the problem. It's the border wall all over again. The wall, just like school security is not the root cause of this problem.
1. So that's propaganda, but not the blatantly inflated statistics behind mass shootings, police on Black crime, etc etc etc. Just a mere statement about American exceptionalism that I'd expect from any politician. I understand it's en vogue to act like we live in a total backward pooper, but that defies reality.
It's absolutely a strawman, the only politician talking about arming teachers is the Texas attorney general. Ok, I'm sure I can find plenty of politicians on the left spewing inane and ineffective policy points and use them to paint with a broader brush as well.
It's not a strawman, you have no idea whether or not resources devoted to tactical training vetting of personnel to ensure that people placed with that responsibility don't stand around like total pussies, and further protection would work. I know it's money better spent than shipping it to the Ukraine.
Border wall would've worked by the way in conjunction with beefing up border patrol to mind said border so they can identify and apprehend any tunneling, but whatever, that's neither here nor there.
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https://twitter.com/rachelmillman/status/1529960335549030423?t=Erzs4-5UqHM0kOs6RQO9vw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/rachelmillman/status/1529960335549030423?t=Erzs4-5UqHM0kOs6RQO9vw&s=19)
Yeah, looks like he's lying.
At least now we know what happened to Green Hornet.
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At least now we know what happened to Green Hornet.
Yeah, thank freak. Reality is bad enough:
https://twitter.com/nczeitgeist/status/1529785171586727936?t=iuOhBdg9-bs9F7v1LJvacw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/nczeitgeist/status/1529785171586727936?t=iuOhBdg9-bs9F7v1LJvacw&s=19)
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DCM cap expert as well as Healthcare extraordinaire
TBF it's fairly well known that he does actually have some expert knowledge in that field.
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I'm trying hard to understand this.
Scenario 1:
They confused a report they received early on in the call and passed it on to the media.
Scenario 2:
They just assumed there was an SRO there and then assumed that said SRO would do their job without bothering to check.
Scenario 3:
They, bafflingly, thought that making it seem like officers engaged the gunman but were unable to stop him would make the police force look like they were doing something, rather than waiting outside for the SWAT team to show up.
Scenario 4: The cops did engage them and fucked up, and then changed the story so they sound less incompetent.
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1. So that's propaganda, but not the blatantly inflated statistics behind mass shootings, police on Black crime, etc etc etc. Just a mere statement about American exceptionalism that I'd expect from any politician. I understand it's en vogue to act like we live in a total backward pooper, but that defies reality.
It's absolutely a strawman, the only politician talking about arming teachers is the Texas attorney general. Ok, I'm sure I can find plenty of politicians on the left spewing inane and ineffective policy points and use them to paint with a broader brush as well.
It's not a strawman, you have no idea whether or not resources devoted to tactical training vetting of personnel to ensure that people placed with that responsibility don't stand around like total pussies, and further protection would work. I know it's money better spent than shipping it to the Ukraine.
Border wall would've worked by the way in conjunction with beefing up border patrol to mind said border so they can identify and apprehend any tunneling, but whatever, that's neither here nor there.
Whatever you say
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Scenario 4: The cops did engage them and fucked up, and then changed the story so they sound less incompetent.
Presumably this could be corroborated with ballistics?
I can't imagine engaging an armed active shooter and not firing shots
Plus I imagine there's gotta be some communication logs with them calling for backup and everything else
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Presumably this could be corroborated with ballistics?
I can't imagine engaging an armed active shooter and not firing shots
Plus I imagine there's gotta be some communication logs with them calling for backup and everything else
I can imagine them being.freaking pussies. See: 60 minutes of.refusimg.to.enter the school but pulling tazers on the parents video.
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I can imagine them being.freaking pussies. See: 60 minutes of.refusimg.to.enter the school but pulling tazers on the parents video.
Even if that's the case, they absolutely would have called excrement in.
I have no freaking idea whats recorded and what isn't, but there's no freaking way on the planet that there's not some sort of communication logged corroborating or contesting the information.
Hell I'd wager all there's so much excrement on the officers or the vehicle's with GPS we well.
This is going to be intensely reviewed by who the freak knows how many people, surely including the federal government/fbi etc.
I have no doubt that many details will be revealed.
On a side note we have no idea if procedure would reccomend not engaging incase there's multiple shooters / a hostage situation going on.
But from a human perspective it's hard to imagine a person with a gun not willing to run into a building knowing that some psychopath is actively murdering children
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(just in case it's clear I'm not defending or condeming the police here. I'm saying with the amount of attention this is going to get, almost surely most details will become known)
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Stop defending these freaking cops, dcm
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Stop defending these freaking cops, dcm
I'm not defending excrement
People are speculating or fantasizing. I'm saying there will very be hard proof to support or disprove
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People are speculating or fantasizing.
There's video of these shitheads detaining the parents.
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There's video of these shitheads detaining the parents.
I didn't comment nor was aware of anything on that part.
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I didn't comment nor was aware of anything on that part.
https://twitter.com/iamamnanawaz/status/1530222852208738305?s=21&t=Ba0nRaiZWZZWE3RxDb_zUA
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https://twitter.com/yellowmustarded/status/1530225642788335620?s=21&t=Ba0nRaiZWZZWE3RxDb_zUA
Cowards
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https://twitter.com/fourverts/status/1530223958057963522?s=21&t=EUOJIDre81A6oYEagwcgosteCL-nD3W4tviA2gzuQQk
Say what
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https://twitter.com/iamamnanawaz/status/1530222852208738305?s=21&t=Ba0nRaiZWZZWE3RxDb_zUA
What the freak?
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https://twitter.com/screenslaver/status/1530223403268907009?s=21&t=hUZDXrivjio-d9ShLbGKdg
Ughhhhh
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So the gunman was in the school from 11:33 to 12:50…
And they were too scared to confront him even though kids were alive in there…
Somebody needs to face serious consequences
That dumb freak Abbott is actually right that it wasn’t a lot worse, but not because of anything these chickenshit cops did
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Texas officials pushing single point of entry as if that won't make it easier to kill a lot of people (children).
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So the gunman was in the school from 11:33 to 12:50…
And they were too scared to confront him even though kids were alive in there…
Somebody needs to face serious consequences
That dumb freak Abbott is actually right that it wasn’t a lot worse, but not because of anything these chickenshit cops did
Now I really want to know what happened outside the school before he went in. The school was supposed to have a security force there.
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Blaming the teachers for having a door propped open prior to the gunman getting into the school. JFC.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1530219824156139523 (https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1530219824156139523)
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https://www.theonion.com/tearful-uvalde-residents-thank-police-for-protecting-pa-1848982023
https://www.theonion.com/entire-u-s-police-force-flees-country-after-hearing-gu-1848981784
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https://www.theonion.com/tearful-uvalde-residents-thank-police-for-protecting-pa-1848982023
https://www.theonion.com/entire-u-s-police-force-flees-country-after-hearing-gu-1848981784
Amazing, the Onion never fails.
Have to try and ease the pain with laughter when you can, it's better than crying and screaming into a pillow every night.
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19 cops were ordered to stand against 1 untrained 18 year old with an AR-15 because they felt overpowered.
AR-15s shouldn’t be legal for civilian use. There isn’t a single logical argument for it.
We live in a deeply flawed country and I’ve just now been waking up to it because we were brainwashed into thinking this is normal.
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Uvalde: AR-15
Buffalo: AR-15
Boulder: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Aurora, CO: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Midland/Odessa: AR-15
Poway synagogue: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15
Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15
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https://twitter.com/danriffle/status/1530176436073635842?s=21&t=feonAdoEktjnFmAWCKJArQ
I think this was posted already but idc
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Uvalde: AR-15
Buffalo: AR-15
Boulder: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Aurora, CO: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Midland/Odessa: AR-15
Poway synagogue: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15
Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15
I'm asking because I genuinely don't know.
Were these all truly AR-15s?
Or is this one of those things where stupid freaking people call every single rifle known to man an AR
-15?
Like how old people will call every smart phone an iPhone or some excrement
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I'm asking because I genuinely don't know.
Were these all truly AR-15s?
Or is this one of those things where stupid freaking people call every single rifle known to man an AR
-15?
Like how old people will call every smart phone an iPhone or some excrement
What's weightless, can be seen by the naked eye, and if put in a barrel, will make it lighter?
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I'm asking because I genuinely don't know.
Were these all truly AR-15s?
Or is this one of those things where stupid freaking people call every single rifle known to man an AR
-15?
Like how old people will call every smart phone an iPhone or some excrement
Do you think a weapon that can massacre 50-60 people in less than an hour is necessary for civilians to have? Does it matter what the name of it is?
But anyways, yes.
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Do you think a weapon that can massacre 50-60 people in less than an hour is necessary for civilians to have? Does it matter what the name of it is?
But anyways, yes.
I'm not for any assault rifles being legal, I wholeheartedly believe they should all be banned.
I just know there's a freak ton of weapons out there, so it would be peculiar if almost every mass murder was committed with the same one
And if they were all with the same one. Thats something in desperate need of evaluation
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I'm not for any assault rifles being legal, I wholeheartedly believe they should all be banned.
I just know there's a freak ton of weapons out there, so it would be peculiar if almost every mass murder was committed with the same one
And if they were all with the same one. Thats something in desperate need of evaluation
AR stands for Armalite Rifle, not assault rifle. It’s a blanket term for a style of rifle that fires massive bullets that come in high capacity magazines that are easy to reload. There’s tons of different manufacturers/brands that make it.
Somehow these 17 year old incels have figured out that it’s the ideal weapon for a mass shooting, but the smart people in charge haven’t.
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I'm asking because I genuinely don't know.
Were these all truly AR-15s?
Or is this one of those things where stupid freaking people call every single rifle known to man an AR
-15?
Like how old people will call every smart phone an iPhone or some excrement
Most of the anti-gun people don't know all the particulars about guns. Pro-gun people use that as a way to say "you don't know what you're talking about," which on the micro level is true. But on the macro level, it's irrelevant bullshit.
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Pretty sure I read they passed a law in Texas to drop the minimum age to buy an AR-15 in Texas from 21 to 18 over the past year or 2.
This kid was able to buy 2 AR-15s and several hundred rounds of ammunition within weeks of having his 18th birthday, no questions asked.
Can’t drink at 18 in Texas though. Weed still is heavily policed. But 18 year olds need AR-15s.
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https://twitter.com/jonahtulsnfl/status/1530345029658677250?s=21&t=UaDzuWIAxSpKWWiknfnb0Q
This guy sucked for TDN and I see nothing has changed
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Pretty sure I read they passed a law in Texas to drop the minimum age to buy an AR-15 in Texas from 21 to 18 over the past year or 2.
This kid was able to buy 2 AR-15s and several hundred rounds of ammunition within weeks of having his 18th birthday, no questions asked.
Can’t drink at 18 in Texas though. Weed still is heavily policed. But 18 year olds need AR-15s.
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1374426623626207236?s=21&t=D16J0clNPDv9jJd_mHG9jg
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https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1374426623626207236?s=21&t=D16J0clNPDv9jJd_mHG9jg
Ted Cruz at today's rally:
What stops armed bad guys is armed good guys
Holy excrement. Either he and his staff forgot to.edit the speech beforehand.or.they just don't care.
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They aren't lazy, they just don't care.
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AR stands for Armalite Rifle, not assault rifle. It’s a blanket term for a style of rifle that fires massive bullets that come in high capacity magazines that are easy to reload. There’s tons of different manufacturers/brands that make it.
Somehow these 17 year old incels have figured out that it’s the ideal weapon for a mass shooting, but the smart people in charge haven’t.
Well excrement
I guess I'm just as gun retarded as everybody else who isn't sleeping with their siblings.
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https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1530591087747862529?s=21&t=VZtNpwbBSHx6wI6EzDrPbQ
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"As horrible as it was, it could've been worse."
https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1530198495008854018
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Why are 18 year olds without background checks allowed to buy AR 15 military assault rifles which the US military considers to be the most deadly in combat. The manufacturer markets it to young troubled men challenging their manhood and giving out “manhood platinum cards” among other outrageous marketing and advertising. Freak the right wing psychos, lobbyists, and politicians who think the second amendment gives ALL Americans unfettered access to killing machines.
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Why are 18 year olds without background checks allowed to buy AR 15 military assault rifles which the US military considers to be the most deadly in combat. The manufacturer markets it to young troubled men challenging their manhood and giving out “manhood platinum cards” among other outrageous marketing and advertising. Freak the right wing psychos, lobbyists, and politicians who think the second amendment gives ALL Americans unfettered access to killing machines.
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(https://i.imgur.com/JCquceC.jpg)
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/J_Cash.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Lionel_Trains_01.jpg/640px-Lionel_Trains_01.jpg)
When I was a kid it was "the man in black" urging dads to "get your boy a Lionel train...the big train for small hands"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jf6aQfTTPA
Nowadays, they're pitching along the lines of "the big gun for small hands." Below: these weasels (Daniel Defense, Ga.) made their twitter account private after catching flak for featuring a very young child cradling one of their assault weapons in an ad.
https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1529277794794053640
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/31/lapierre-nra-thoughts-and-prayers-comedian-jason-selvig-edited-?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1654010882
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/31/lapierre-nra-thoughts-and-prayers-comedian-jason-selvig-edited-?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1654010882
There’s a great video of them trying to exorcise Ted Cruz during one of his appearances.
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https://twitter.com/mr_jce/status/1531625547104673794?s=21&t=NvjXC43E54IaZWdMoOatQA
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https://twitter.com/thegoodliars/status/1531651480180121603?s=21&t=NvjXC43E54IaZWdMoOatQA
Typical NRA convention attendee
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https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1531442031570075649?s=21&t=NvjXC43E54IaZWdMoOatQA
Oh no but now the Canadian government will genocide all the Canadian citizens
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https://twitter.com/thegoodliars/status/1531651480180121603?s=21&t=NvjXC43E54IaZWdMoOatQA
Typical NRA convention attendee
I also really hate that argument. "But cars kill more people than guns so why aren't you arguing for cars to be banned?" Because cars are essential and their occasional lethality relative to the number and frequency of use is an unfortunate side effect. The entire purpose of a gun is to end life, so unless you can demonstrate a clear and specific and justifiable need to end life (and "the boogeyman might break in" ain't it) then there is no legitimate argument for you having one on your person or in your home.
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https://twitter.com/roguesnradvisor/status/1530973184605900800?s=20&t=uX0oILzHDnrrwd96L3qmSQ
this could probably go in the WTF thread also
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I also really hate that argument. "But cars kill more people than guns so why aren't you arguing for cars to be banned?" Because cars are essential and their occasional lethality relative to the number and frequency of use is an unfortunate side effect. The entire purpose of a gun is to end life, so unless you can demonstrate a clear and specific and justifiable need to end life (and "the boogeyman might break in" ain't it) then there is no legitimate argument for you having one on your person or in your home.
Cigarettes
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https://twitter.com/roguesnradvisor/status/1530973184605900800?s=20&t=uX0oILzHDnrrwd96L3qmSQ
this could probably go in the WTF thread also
It's very obviously fake though.
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Cigarettes
Except now that pretty much everywhere has banned smoking indoors, the only people being killed by tobacco are the ones using it.
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https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1531442031570075649?s=21&t=NvjXC43E54IaZWdMoOatQA
Oh no but now the Canadian government will genocide all the Canadian citizens
To me this is an extremely freaking sensible compromise that you should easily be able to get the vast majority of people behind.
All the bullshit excuses about hunting, sport, and self defense are completely managble with magazines of 5 rounds or less.
While this would prevent things like the Las Vegas shooting, I don't think it would make a significant difference in events like Texas. Although it would make it much much easier for law enforcement to overcome a shooter
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It's very obviously fake though.
maybe....this is the States we're talking about
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when the fvck is this self important, perpetually declarative blowhard gonna buy the farm?
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1531387459338051584
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Except now that pretty much everywhere has banned smoking indoors, the only people being killed by tobacco are the ones using it.
The same amount of people die in the United States from second hand smoke each a year as they do from guns. If you exclude suicide by guns secondhand smoke blows it out of the water.
Roughly 15% of all deaths in the world are related to tabacco.
I'm not using this as a "don't ban guns cigarettes are worse" argument. I'm using this as a ban guns and cigarettes, but cigarettes are so much freaking deadlier
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The same amount of people die in the United States from second hand smoke each a year as they do from guns. If you exclude suicide by guns secondhand smoke blows it out of the water.
Roughly 15% of all deaths in the world are related to tabacco.
I'm not using this as a "don't ban guns cigarettes are worse" argument. I'm using this as a ban guns and cigarettes, but cigarettes are so much freaking deadlier
Heartless as it sounds, smokers have only themselves to blame for their life choices...nobody put a gun to their head so to speak...
Salvadore Ramos and Peyton S. Gendron (Buffalo) and countless other mass murderers otoh looked and went way beyond merely killing themselves.
What Uvalde school child's life choices were in play here?
edit: second hand smoke? surprising given today's 'no smoking' zeitgeist
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The same amount of people die in the United States from second hand smoke each a year as they do from guns. If you exclude suicide by guns secondhand smoke blows it out of the water.
Roughly 15% of all deaths in the world are related to tabacco.
I'm not using this as a "don't ban guns cigarettes are worse" argument. I'm using this as a ban guns and cigarettes, but cigarettes are so much freaking deadlier
Ok, that surprises me that second hand smoke still kills so many. I'm not for a moment going to defend the sale of tobacco products - I was a pack a day smoker until I was in my late thirties, I'm very glad to be rid of them, and legislation and taxation are both legitimate tools in restricting their use. But I think that banning a product that grows in the ground has long since proven to be a futile exercise, and I don't think it's the same argument as gun control.
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Heartless as it sounds, smokers have only themselves to blame for their life choices...nobody put a gun to their head so to speak...
Salvadore Ramos and Peyton S. Gendron (Buffalo) and countless other mass murderers otoh looked and went way beyond merely killing themselves.
What Uvalde school child's life choices were in play here?
edit: second hand smoke? surprising given today's 'no smoking' zeitgeist
90% of smokers start before 18, and I have no idea how this is a freaking real statistic. But the average smoker starts when they're 15.
I know that the average person to die from smoking is some decripid old person.
But the average person getting addicted is a child
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Ok, that surprises me that second hand smoke still kills so many. I'm not for a moment going to defend the sale of tobacco products - I was a pack a day smoker until I was in my late thirties, I'm very glad to be rid of them, and legislation and taxation are both legitimate tools in restricting their use. But I think that banning a product that grows in the ground has long since proven to be a futile exercise, and I don't think it's the same argument as gun control.
Is banning cigarettes really the same as prohibition?
And clearly the taxes and levies and excrement don't work.
I think the statistics behind smoking are so widespread that there's no chance that an outright ban wouldn't substantially curb it
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https://twitter.com/thegoodliars/status/1531651480180121603?s=21&t=NvjXC43E54IaZWdMoOatQA
Typical NRA convention attendee
On the plus side, it's nice to see that mj2's dad is alive and relatively well.
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90% of smokers start before 18, and I have no idea how this is a freaking real statistic. But the average smoker starts when they're 15.
I know that the average person to die from smoking is some decripid old person.
But the average person getting addicted is a child
Fair point - I didn't know the average age was 15.
fyi (speaking as a 'decripid old person') it's spelled decrepit
The average 15 year old 'child' eventually 'comes of age' and (addicted or not) can chose to stop. Quitting's easy; I know people who've quit hundreds of times... : )
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On the plus side, it's nice to see that mj2's dad is alive and relatively well.
Lol, that guy wishes.
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And in other news (of a more 'drip...drip...drip' nature):
https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-shooting-memorial-day-weekend-violence/11911262/
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What's the threshold for "mass"?
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1531727247459110912?t=CYeo9cgaxG5VDSaCOvSjUQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1531727247459110912?t=CYeo9cgaxG5VDSaCOvSjUQ&s=19)
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https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/1531747290251247617?s=21&t=cwWo1CmPWjPf0jHAROU38Q
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1532138994548588544?t=mwB95ScZCJhnx7KHKakPlQ&s=19
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https://ktul.com/news/local/tpd-responds-to-active-shooter-at-warren-clinic
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https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1532193285921456129?s=21&t=dD87Kdh80AwQ1XjXcJh3Bg
lol
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https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1532193285921456129?s=21&t=dD87Kdh80AwQ1XjXcJh3Bg
lol
If you want to make the argument thst pots a gateway drug and it leads to crime and blah blah blah, stupid but fine. You can probably throw together a half competent argument.
But to blame weed on a freaking mass murder of children. You better have some severely correlated evidence otherwise you look like an absolute freaking imbecile.
I suppose if your target demo is almost 70 you can get away with that excrement
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1532346145946615810?s=21&t=nvq-rGAO0WjG78bAKcFjBQ
omg no way
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1532346145946615810?s=21&t=nvq-rGAO0WjG78bAKcFjBQ
omg no way
If there was only 1 entry door to the gun shop this wouldn't have happened
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1532346145946615810?s=21&t=nvq-rGAO0WjG78bAKcFjBQ
omg no way
The post on there about the Canadian laws for getting a gun, is that real?
Some of the things make a lot of sense, some are freaking weird.
Provide two references, and list all conguical partners of the last two years?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUP9wWCUUAIxtex?format=jpg&name=large)
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The post on there about the Canadian laws for getting a gun, is that real?
Some of the things make a lot of sense, some are freaking weird.
Provide two references, and list all conguical partners of the last two years?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUP9wWCUUAIxtex?format=jpg&name=large)
Conjugal means related to marriage, not freak buddies in prison. I'm assuming this is to show that the people closest to you don't think you are a psycho.
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The Canadian laws are also way, way more restrictive. I'm not an authority but as I understand it:
- You need a PAL (Possession and Acquisition License, the one mentioned in your screenshot) to purchase any firearm
- To get your PAL you must go through a government training course
- Once you have your PAL you may purchase firearms; you may only purchase from licensed merchant, and each firearm must be individually registered
- You can only transport non-restricted firearms (single shot hunting rifles and shotguns) without an additional ticket
- To transport restricted firearms (approved handguns and semi automatic weapons) you need a separate authorisation each time you want to transport them
- You may only carry non restricted weapons on a standard license, and only in the wilderness
- In order to be allowed to carry restricted weapons in the wilderness you must have an additional license endorsement, and to get that you have to be a licensed trapper or prove that you need that type of weapon for protection from wildlife because of your occupation
The list of restricted and prohibited weapons is also pretty extensive, and ever growing.
Canadian gun owners think our laws are too restrictive. Canadian gun haters think they're too permissive. I think they're about right, and as long as both groups are complaining about the same amount then I'm happy.
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The entire purpose of a gun is to end life, so unless you can demonstrate a clear and specific and justifiable need to end life (and "the boogeyman might break in" ain't it) then there is no legitimate argument for you having one on your person or in your home.
Excuse me sir, my specific and justifiable need is that I fantasize about shooting one of the (((thugs))) that I'm certain is going to break into my home to steal my Black Friday flat screen TV.
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People might feel safer without guns if it wasn't so popular to want to defund the police.
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People might feel safer without guns if it wasn't so popular to want to defund the police.
Really?
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Really?
Nah, I'm just being obnoxious.
It just annoys me when people are screaming to murder the police for 2 years. And now they're making the argument that you shouldn't need guns to feel safe, despite the significant increase in violent crime.
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People might feel safer without guns if it wasn't so popular to want to defund the police.
Good thing it's literally not popular at all.
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Good thing it's literally not popular at all.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220603/f8808d4bd17fecf8efc2bde6452a23c5.jpg)
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Anyway,
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/911-dispatcher-fired-allegedly-hanging-store-employee-buffalo-shooting-rcna31821
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https://twitter.com/sxarletred/status/1532853860737372161?s=21&t=InR1lqh-6asdb4P1fIBFjA
Yeah we should def give these assholes more money. Maybe if they had a 2nd SWAT team in town they would have done something. GTFO.
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https://twitter.com/sxarletred/status/1532853860737372161?s=21&t=InR1lqh-6asdb4P1fIBFjA
Yeah we should def give these assholes more money. Maybe if they had a 2nd SWAT team in town they would have done something. GTFO.
Take all of their freaking money. County and State cops could have been 30 minutes late in responding and done a better job.
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https://www.inquirer.com/crime/live/shooting-south-street-4th-street-mutiple-shot-20220605.html
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https://twitter.com/jessicavalenti/status/1534540692659351553?s=21&t=g8YHvEpyUjYIsnX-hPUhyQ
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https://twitter.com/austintxerin/status/1534596125382037504?s=21&t=sN1eR7CJMzcI2KtyiQ6LCA
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https://twitter.com/austintxerin/status/1534596125382037504?s=21&t=sN1eR7CJMzcI2KtyiQ6LCA
It's important that his testimony is published but there has to be a better way than 240 characters at a time.
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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/facebook-enforces-ban-on-gun-sales-with-10-strikes-and-youre-out-policy/ (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/facebook-enforces-ban-on-gun-sales-with-10-strikes-and-youre-out-policy/)
Facebook will kick you off of the platform for violating their policy on gun sales/purchases...10 times.
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https://www.insider.com/conspiracy-theorist-proud-harass-sandy-hook-families-children-killed-shootings-2022-6
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https://www.insider.com/conspiracy-theorist-proud-harass-sandy-hook-families-children-killed-shootings-2022-6
Literally the worst people.
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https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1537835917452247041?s=21&t=H0p5-lAqNMEjMu6uyNrudw
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https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1537835917452247041?s=21&t=H0p5-lAqNMEjMu6uyNrudw
So how many kids did the cops shoot?
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https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-off-duty-agent-uvalde-texas-shooting-733659143817
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https://twitter.com/tplohetski/status/1539005390108622849?s=21&t=gYx9P0w8HS23RemoXZ2wQQ
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas public safety chief says classroom door in Uvalde school shooting was not locked, even as police waited for key.
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those cops need to hang in the town square. Olly style.
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I wonder if it was incompetence or fear.
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I wonder if it was incompetence or fear.
I suspect that one breeds the other.
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Republicans squeal “it’s a mental health issue!” And then do this
https://twitter.com/mlafferty1/status/1539428442684461061?s=21&t=Du6ExHK8xwrdA7mtcie1XA
They know their voter base isn’t smart enough to notice or care
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The Uvalde, Texas, elementary school where a gunman killed 19 students and two teachers last month will be demolished, the city's mayor said.
Speaking during an emotional council meeting with residents Tuesday, Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin said he did not believe any child or teacher should be asked to return to Robb Elementary School, where the deadly shooting unfolded May 24.
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The Uvalde, Texas, elementary school where a gunman killed 19 students and two teachers last month will be demolished, the city's mayor said.
Speaking during an emotional council meeting with residents Tuesday, Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin said he did not believe any child or teacher should be asked to return to Robb Elementary School, where the deadly shooting unfolded May 24.
The right on racist statues: stop erasing history
The right on tragic events: let's erase history
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https://twitter.com/sawyerhackett/status/1539405926905569284?s=21&t=iAehxHNfBpVmuC0rT_Px4Q
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https://twitter.com/sawyerhackett/status/1539405926905569284?s=21&t=iAehxHNfBpVmuC0rT_Px4Q
just going to sit back and hope this story is a fake, only way i can think of processing such a scenario right now
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MDGA?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/highland-park-fourth-july-parade-shooting_n_62c311d5e4b0a21d842a2182
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On par for the year. freaking awful.
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I don’t know where Darren Bailey was physically at when this was recorded, but the absolute best thing I can say about this is that gathering a large group of people around you outside to stare into a camera and massively compromise their situational awareness while an armed killer is on the loose is not the wisest choice from a security perspective.
https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1544019090737610759?s=21&t=yY4NiqaKbQC0vJpGhprADQ (https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1544019090737610759?s=21&t=yY4NiqaKbQC0vJpGhprADQ)
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/highland-park-fourth-july-parade-shooting_n_62c311d5e4b0a21d842a2182
MOAR GUNZ!!
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Denmark's July 4, 2022 mass shooting was their first mass shooting since 1994
The July 4, 2022 Highland Park mass shooting was USA's first mass shooting since the July 4, 2022 Richmond mass shooting
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Denmark's July 4, 2022 mass shooting was their first mass shooting since 1994
The July 4, 2022 Highland Park mass shooting was USA's first mass shooting since the July 4, 2022 Richmond mass shooting
This is why you have so much freedom, all these well regulated militia ensuring its security. Unlike those poor oppressed Danes.
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Another one in Philly. View from the Ben Franklin Parkway.
https://twitter.com/alexdzomba/status/1544142236060901378?s=21&t=3C3A6KudMWD3J9GpPE6N7A (https://twitter.com/alexdzomba/status/1544142236060901378?s=21&t=3C3A6KudMWD3J9GpPE6N7A)
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Pictured: tact
https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1544307442279923719?s=20&t=TOPZ-6muc2mY80eQhECqDQ (https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1544307442279923719?s=20&t=TOPZ-6muc2mY80eQhECqDQ)
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Pictured: tact
https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1544307442279923719?s=20&t=TOPZ-6muc2mY80eQhECqDQ (https://twitter.com/wideofthepost/status/1544307442279923719?s=20&t=TOPZ-6muc2mY80eQhECqDQ)
Too soon, not the time, thoughts and prayers, yada yada yada.
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Too soon, not the time, thoughts and prayers, yada yada yada.
Imagine defending the rhetoric of "Don't like getting shot! Get out and vote!"
Anyway that awful reply plus the guy calling her a crisis actor perfectly encapsulate Ds and Rs right now.
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MTG getting to the bottom of this
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1544301643281342466?t=xJV-aTtXaidtdO0MpVjYWQ&s=19
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MTG getting to the bottom of this
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1544301643281342466?t=xJV-aTtXaidtdO0MpVjYWQ&s=19
We need to get her into NFTs.
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“Supposedly this is photoshopped”
Hahahahaha freaking dumbass.
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Imagine defending the rhetoric of "Don't like getting shot! Get out and vote!"
Anyway that awful reply plus the guy calling her a crisis actor perfectly encapsulate Ds and Rs right now.
She literally said "nothing will change in America". The appropriate response is to tell her how to make it change.
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She would have been fine if she just steered clear of all the people with mental health issues.
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Another one in Philly. View from the Ben Franklin Parkway.
https://twitter.com/alexdzomba/status/1544142236060901378?s=21&t=3C3A6KudMWD3J9GpPE6N7A (https://twitter.com/alexdzomba/status/1544142236060901378?s=21&t=3C3A6KudMWD3J9GpPE6N7A)
The shooting victims as it turns out were two Philadelphia police officers.
https://twitter.com/JoeHoldenCBS3/status/1544151150525554691
Meanwhile, in Illinois
Charges are pending against 21-year-old local man after July Fourth shooting.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/alleged-highland-park-shooter-acquired-gun-legally-officials-say-11657033049
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https://twitter.com/ap/status/1544437295855665154?s=21&t=CIyZEkA96PKq7qpARxRWNw
Our gun laws freaking suck fam
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https://twitter.com/monicaeng/status/1544458021484511236?s=21&t=osbnu2xbN2__Dnr5QCkopA
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https://twitter.com/monicaeng/status/1544458021484511236?s=21&t=osbnu2xbN2__Dnr5QCkopA
Father of the year
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Unclear if this liability continues after the minor turns 18 but the dad really deserves to have his life ruined.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220706/c329b26cc742e773a3647f682d47fb06.jpg)
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Unclear if this liability continues after the mid turns 18 but the dad really deserves to have his life ruined.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220706/c329b26cc742e773a3647f682d47fb06.jpg)
You know he didn't read any of that. Doesn't change anything though.
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Dilbert guy has it all figured out
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1544679510674587648?t=IHzWBdMX_0no--W0zOFgxQ&s=19
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Dilbert guy has it all figured out
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1544679510674587648?t=IHzWBdMX_0no--W0zOFgxQ&s=19
Dilbert guy freaking sucks.
Imagine losing a struggle with drug addiction and your dickhead stepdad equates you to a mass murderer.
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https://twitter.com/tplohetski/status/1544730616431841281?s=21&t=vLo8C6ZTBty4JSbLbAlJNg
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Pretty much just crossing guards, right?
A rifle-armed Uvalde officer sighted in to shoot the Robb Elementary attacker before he entered the school
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Dilbert guy freaking sucks.
Imagine losing a struggle with drug addiction and your dickhead stepdad equates you to a mass murderer.
Dilbert guy's clueless but those who knowingly peddle this poison to the addicted are mass murderers imo..
https://twitter.com/DEAHQ/status/1543322676340707331?cxt=HHwWhsC-kYPz_eoqAAAA
https://www.dea.gov/fugitives
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I don't understand why manufacturers are lacing drugs with fent. It might be cheaper but you're not getting the repeat business.
It's like Ford shipping their new cars without a braking system, it might make you a bit of margin on the initial sale but they ain't trading it in with you in three years for a new one.
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https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2022/03/07/china-and-synthetic-drugs-geopolitics-trumps-counternarcotics-cooperation/
'n mex-tex's a sieve
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I don't understand why manufacturers are lacing drugs with fent. It might be cheaper but you're not getting the repeat business.
I understand the logic behind lacing heroin with fentanyl, but why are dealers lacing coke with fentanyl?
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those who knowingly peddle this poison to the addicted are mass murderers imo.
Agreed.
Better put them on Dilbert Royale Island with the mass shooters and moody teenagers.
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Better put them on Dilbert Royale Island with the mass shooters and moody teenagers.
Too harsh. Better to release them on their own recognizance (even if they could be facing 14 years in prison).
https://www.ktvu.com/news/alleged-drug-traffickers-released-from-california-jail-days-after-caught-with-150k-fentanyl-pills
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https://twitter.com/npr/status/1544819801767419905?s=21&t=lI9dP1NnYzLnqj-SVuynMQ (https://twitter.com/npr/status/1544819801767419905?s=21&t=lI9dP1NnYzLnqj-SVuynMQ)
Interesting headline for a guy who tried to enter a synagogue, failed, and thrn shot up a town with a large jewish population.
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1546955421243478016?s=21&t=QGjkFX29hcUx3paMmzfiXg
Ugh
The sad part is I think these cops are scared shitless because they see a kid on the news every other week mowing down a crowd of people.
There is zero reason for a citizen to need an AR-15
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https://twitter.com/walkerbragman/status/1546992016529170436?s=21&t=xL9sGAMBi5dRYDq_dscs4g
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I wonder how many of these podunk police forces are just glorified LARPers.
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(https://i.imgur.com/aEu3CFa.jpg)
Waited for the whole squad to show up. We can make our move now guys, Flannel Bob found his tac helmet.
There's about three times this number still outside, roughing up the parents.
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https://twitter.com/walkerbragman/status/1546992016529170436?s=21&t=xL9sGAMBi5dRYDq_dscs4g
Oh my god. Oh my freaking god.
These assholes never need to work in any type of security again.
That freaking punisher logo should be banned by all DOD and police organizations.
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https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1547002301109440512?t=6BmypaS-fUV364JQdTa-nw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1547002301109440512?t=6BmypaS-fUV364JQdTa-nw&s=19)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXftNFZXoAEp8vO?format=jpg&name=large)
Flannel Bob: "COVID is the real threat!"
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https://twitter.com/walkerbragman/status/1546992016529170436?s=21&t=xL9sGAMBi5dRYDq_dscs4g
Beyond parody
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https://twitter.com/walkerbragman/status/1546992016529170436?s=21&t=xL9sGAMBi5dRYDq_dscs4g
Unconscionable cowardice
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https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1547040763376242688?s=20&t=v-XwwwUX_iYG-1gfVai33A (https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1547040763376242688?s=20&t=v-XwwwUX_iYG-1gfVai33A)
Play by play dropped.
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https://twitter.com/LethalityJane/status/1547072764313407489?t=8ydKlIGVDQNaCklfz4Ve_w&s=19
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The whole "we thought it was a hostage situation/trapped shooter" argument kind of falls apart when you can hear the mother fucker shooting throughout the entire video. Also, just to reiterate from the video, "the sounds of children screaming have been removed".
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https://twitter.com/LethalityJane/status/1547072764313407489?t=8ydKlIGVDQNaCklfz4Ve_w&s=19
Even cops think SCAB
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Even cops think SCAB
Just a few bad apples.
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Beyond parody
https://twitter.com/socialistdogmom/status/1547036509068562432?s=21&t=u5o76Mko9O4LXz0BgnGYcg
I missed this part
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(https://preview.redd.it/s82ysrt84ab91.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f5e98a1b9b10fe92ff98e59c6e73e0d3cd284936)
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(https://preview.redd.it/s82ysrt84ab91.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f5e98a1b9b10fe92ff98e59c6e73e0d3cd284936)
freaking terrible human being.
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It took me a minute to find the objectionable part of the picture
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Oh my god. Oh my freaking god.
These assholes never need to work in any type of security again.
That freaking punisher logo should be banned by all DOD and police organizations.
Beyond parody
Unconscionable cowardice
Uvalde police officer who drew outrage for checking his phone was waiting to hear from his dying wife during shooting
CBS DFW: Uvalde cop criticized for checking phone was slain teacher Eva Mireles' husband.
https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/uvalde-cop-criticized-checking-phone-eva-mireles-husband/
Uvalde police officer who drew outrage for checking his phone was waiting to hear from his dying wife during shooting
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CBS DFW: Uvalde cop criticized for checking phone was slain teacher Eva Mireles' husband.
https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/uvalde-cop-criticized-checking-phone-eva-mireles-husband/
Yea, saw that earlier. Makes sense with that context.
Laughing guy has no excuse.
Also freak Cops/Military using the Punisher logo.
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Would love to know why they went against active shooter protocol and refused to enter the classroom
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https://twitter.com/phil_lewis_/status/1548731332766961665?s=21&t=NFejuZPyghnQVDtQy3gBSg
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The 2A nuts are going to whack themselves siliy to this without seeing a hint of the irony.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/indiana-mall-shooting-food-court_n_62d4af0be4b0116f21bd36e7
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https://twitter.com/tracy_walder/status/1548787708797112322?s=21&t=YXShrznptyt_T-VpsTdICw (https://twitter.com/tracy_walder/status/1548787708797112322?s=21&t=YXShrznptyt_T-VpsTdICw)
Somehow the Uvalde CISD keeps looking worse with every day.
It’s like there is no floor.
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We did it!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/dallas-school-district-requires-clear-backpacks/index.html
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We did it!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/18/us/dallas-school-district-requires-clear-backpacks/index.html
Smart. This will prevent 9 year olds from smuggling AR-15s past the security guards on the school entrance door.
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The 2A nuts are going to whack themselves siliy to this without seeing a hint of the irony.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/indiana-mall-shooting-food-court_n_62d4af0be4b0116f21bd36e7
"many more people would've died"
https://nypost.com/2022/07/19/elisjsha-dicken-killed-indiana-mall-shooter-jonathan-sapirman/
#conflicted
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"many more people would've died"
https://nypost.com/2022/07/19/elisjsha-dicken-killed-indiana-mall-shooter-jonathan-sapirman/
#conflicted
Not sure why anyone should be conflicted about this. If no one in that mall on Sunday had access to guns, no people would be dead.
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Elisjsha Dicken
gtfo
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Broken clockspotting
(https://i.redd.it/4r16ht4vdkc91.jpg)
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Not sure why anyone should be conflicted about this. If no one in that mall on Sunday had access to guns, no people would be dead.
No one has access to guns? Sign me up. Btw, gangbangers on board?
Elisjsha Dickens]
gtfo
kyle rittenhouse 2.0
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No one has access to guns? Sign me up. Btw, gangbangers on board?
I don't know why Americans alwsys have to conflate gangs illegally carrying and using guns with why they need to be allowed to carry them legally. First, your legal access to guns is why gangbangers get them so easily. Secondly, every other country has illegally armed gang members. What they don't have is 18 year olds killing schoolchildren in their classrooms.
Stop building straw men.
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I don't know why Americans alwsys have to conflate gangs illegally carrying and using guns with why they need to be allowed to carry them legally. First, your legal access to guns is why gangbangers get them so easily. Secondly, every other country has illegally armed gang members. What they don't have is 18 year olds killing schoolchildren in their classrooms.
Stop building straw men.
Every other country doesn't have 400 million unregistered guns
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Every other country doesn't have 400 million unregistered guns
Which has nothing to do with preventing mass shootings, given they are almost always committed by people using legally owned and registered firearms.
Given your country's history of doing so many impressive things that no one believed possible, it is impressive the lengths that so many Americans will go to to find reasons why you can't do something that pretty much every other Western society has achieved.
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I don't know why Americans alwsys have to conflate gangs illegally carrying and using guns with why they need to be allowed to carry them legally. First, your legal access to guns is why gangbangers get them so easily. Secondly, every other country has illegally armed gang members.
What they don't have is 18 year olds killing schoolchildren in their classrooms.
Stop building straw men.
Meaning other countries don't have mass shootings? straw man
Guns are guns are guns. The crazed 18 year old's background was a screaming red flag that was ignored. Step one: it should be verrrrry hard to get a gun, i.e the licensing protocol specifically the background check process needs to be completely revamped and almost unrecognizably stringent compared to the present swiss cheese sieve of a system; step two: illegal gun possession = automatic lengthly prison sentences. Myself, I don't own guns but at the same time I'm not going to take it upon myself to 86 a constitutionally protected right of others (btw, that does not include 'conceal carry' allowances which I view as completely wrong).
While they're at unacceptable levels, mass shootings actually comprise only a fraction of the overall gun deaths in the United States. In fact, roughly two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides. In 2016, for example, 37,353 gun deaths occurred in the United States. Of these, 22,938 were suicides, and 14,415 were homicides. Within the homicides, 71 were classified as the result of a mass shooting.
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Every other country doesn't have 400 million unregistered guns
Sounds like all of the other counties have their excrement figured out and we have accepted a slow and steady decay of our country because of firearm enthusiasts
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Which has nothing to do with preventing mass shootings, given they are almost always committed by people using legally owned and registered firearms.
Given your country's history of doing so many impressive things that no one believed possible, it is impressive the lengths that so many Americans will go to to find reasons why you can't do something that pretty much every other Western society has achieved.
Lol if only this wasn’t so easy to prove
Literally every one of these Mass shootings is with a legally obtained AR-15
I’ll say it again: the incels have figured it out but our general population and leaders will probably never get it
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Sounds like all of the other counties have their excrement figured out and we have accepted a slow and steady decay of our country because of firearm enthusiasts
*Firearm industry
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Hi honey, I'm home....what's for dinner?...
https://twitter.com/SophiaNBC5/status/1551626862316716034
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You allowed to carry at Airports in Texas or what?
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https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1551230484738342913
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You allowed to carry at Airports in Texas or what?
Neither carry nor live in TX, don't know. If she posts bail that guy's a gelding by dinnertime.
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Neither carry nor live in TX, don't know. If she posts bail that guy's a gelding by dinnertime.
I'm fairly sure that even in Texas, going all Billy The Kid in an airport is going to make bail a pretty tough ask.
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Finally they've identified the real cause of the problem.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-school-district-suspends-robb-elementary-school-principal/story?id=87400644
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Finally they've identified the real cause of the problem.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-school-district-suspends-robb-elementary-school-principal/story?id=87400644
In the aftermath we know it was the craven cops. However in advance of May 24th she didn't act on information she knew so like it or not when it comes to extracting the proverbial pound of flesh even if only for the optics you know who's going to be the first to be made to walk the plank. Anyway, she's been iced for now 'with pay' so expect her to get her wrists slapped (publicly made an example of) and eventually reinstated.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Pink_Police_Car_%286704582477%29.jpg/640px-Pink_Police_Car_%286704582477%29.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1554855869271138309?t=kqCYE6xCa-qhivg1JlRQOw&s=19
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1554855869271138309?t=kqCYE6xCa-qhivg1JlRQOw&s=19
“Show me the Funeral Home receipts or it didn’t happen”
what a pos
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‘Mass killings’ fit here? Wasn’t sure if to put in the horrific/depressing thread and certainly unfair to include in the ‘only in Canada’ thrreas…..sad news
https://leaderpost.com/news/saskatchewan/multiple-stabbings-at-james-smith-cree-nation-rcmp/wcm/1ecddf78-729a-4964-9df7-b5f54865be87
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Gunman kills 13, injures 21 in Russian school shooting
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63032790.amp
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Thailand pre-school centre, 31 dead
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/06/thailand-shooting-attack-at-pre-school-centre
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Holy excrement.
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god dammit
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That's some next level mental illness excrement right there.
Mass shootings are horrific enough, but a mass freaking stabbing of sleeping preschoolers? I can't even imagine how much harder it is to stab someone than to shoot someone from a mental standpoint.
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Sickening
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1580284402328031232?t=dnZeQ2383uapnUEb4fGmWw&s=19
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Raleigh, NC: 5 dead
https://abcnews.go.com/US/active-shooting-reported-trail-raleigh-north-carolina-police/story?id=91345863
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https://news.stlpublicradio.org/education/2022-10-24/at-least-three-shot-at-central-visual-performing-arts-high-school-in-south-st-louis (https://news.stlpublicradio.org/education/2022-10-24/at-least-three-shot-at-central-visual-performing-arts-high-school-in-south-st-louis)
American teachers and children continue to pay "the price of freedom".
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My mom retired from nursing two years ago and stayed retired for like maybe a month before taking a school nurse job. I told her not to take it because it's dangerous and she thought I was referring to COVID (and other illnesses).
You just never knew. I never knew and it stressed me out more than anything. It's insane that kids, school employees, and parents have to worry about that every single day.
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My mom retired from nursing two years ago and stayed retired for like maybe a month before taking a school nurse job. I told her not to take it because it's dangerous and she thought I was referring to COVID (and other illnesses).
You just never knew. I never knew and it stressed me out more than anything. It's insane that kids, school employees, and parents have to worry about that every single day.
I still work in a school. We had numerous incidents last school year where we went in lock ins (nearby the school danger) and lock downs, including one time in which a kid sparked to smuggle a gun on site, thankfully they were caught at the doors, but it’s a thing in the back of all minds every day, that’s for sure. I also wouldn’t exactly call my area a place of high risk either
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/13/us/university-of-virginia-shooting/index.html
Apparently it's football related and or exclusively involving players
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Suspect in custody
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/13/us/university-of-virginia-shooting/index.html
Apparently it's football related and or exclusively involving players
Happened on a bus returning from an off-campus field trip
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Suspect in custody
If he says he was bullied...
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If he says he was bullied...
There was apparently was a hazing investigation at some point
This could be the kind of thing that shuts down a football program for a period of time
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WRs Devin Chandler and Lavel Davis Jr and LB D'Sean Perry are confirmed as the fatalities.
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This could be the kind of thing that shuts down a football program for a period of time
Penn State didn't get shut down. So, highly unlikely.
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WRs Devin Chandler and Lavel Davis Jr and LB D'Sean Perry are confirmed as the fatalities.
good friend of mine coaches at Woodland where Lavel Davis was an absolute star
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This stuff sucks. Why the freak do we have to keep reliving it? Why do we have to watch families keep burying their kids? What’s it going to take before this country decides to try something, anything to make these things so much harder to pull off?
Politics and all that can go right the freak to hell. We need to stop letting kids die because we don’t want to do something to pee off a group of people.idk what the answer is but we have to at least freaking try something
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63693310
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This is the guy they arrested for it.
https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/residents-evacuated-due-to-law-enforcement-activity-in-lorson-ranch-neighborhood
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https://twitter.com/kaylan_tx/status/1594513416827330568?s=46&t=AgkNKeH45oPkTzZ2AmbAxg
JFC
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Matt Walsh had a predictably awful response to the shooting. Dude just really wants to see queer people dead.
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Matt Walsh had a predictably awful response to the shooting. Dude just really wants to see queer people dead.
Im obviously to the right of center on most issues. I can appreciate listening to people like Ben Shapiro who are very matter of the fact and try to be data driven (despite him also being a crazy religious person on social issues)
But then you have people like Matt Walsh that I absolutely freaking can't stand. To me this guy is straight up the talk radio version of the view.
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I can appreciate listening to people like Ben Shapiro
lol
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Im obviously to the right of center on most issues. I can appreciate listening to people like Ben Shapiro who are very matter of the fact and try to be data driven (despite him also being a crazy religious person on social issues)
But then you have people like Matt Walsh that I absolutely freaking can't stand. To me this guy is straight up the talk radio version of the view.
As much as I can't stand Walsh for being a theocratic poopchute (and providing the right part of the horseshoe to fit the theory), his reaction wasn't anything crazy, and certainly not tantamount to wanting 'queer people dead"
lol
I know, he should read Aaron "Stolen Valor" Rupar instead LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
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^ Googled "Aaron Rupar+stolen valor" ...is this guy serious? *press record button* lol
https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1593287496497975296/photo/1
edit: thank goodness for the beefy vet that took Aldridge down as well as the drag queen who stomped him with her heels -
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https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1594814999138271234?s=46&t=QtiXjd0xbvUsrrDitNerfg
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Im obviously to the right of center on most issues. I can appreciate listening to people like Ben Shapiro who are very matter of the fact and try to be data driven (despite him also being a crazy religious person on social issues)
But then you have people like Matt Walsh that I absolutely freaking can't stand. To me this guy is straight up the talk radio version of the view.
Yes, the guy actively fomenting hate is the equal but opposite version of... vapid daytime tv?
Muh both sides
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https://twitter.com/molly_knight/status/1594809332230660107?s=46&t=QtiXjd0xbvUsrrDitNerfg
JFC this story and the end
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Yes, the guy actively fomenting hate is the equal but opposite version of... vapid daytime tv?
Muh both sides
Because denying the holocaust isn't actively fomenting hate, or the countless number of Hollywood elite rapist they've defended. it's just vapid daytime TV
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https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1595271084575801346?s=46&t=0s57CT9_LLw91EqWkoFNrg
Read comments for AIDS
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Because denying the holocaust isn't actively fomenting hate, or the countless number of Hollywood elite rapist they've defended. it's just vapid daytime TV
Only one of them is advocating for the removal of certain people from existence.
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https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1595439304922304512?s=46&t=NJBL81EeZt9lR_5FStt4yg
This is not a normal country btw
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https://twitter.com/nojumper/status/1595439304922304512?s=46&t=NJBL81EeZt9lR_5FStt4yg
This is not a normal country btw
his reaction to this is kind of sociopathic
"he started dumpin man but i'm whole doe!"
"i was finna get some snacks!" man what?!
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https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1595519454900805649
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Clearly a false flag because there’s no way that guy is real
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guy looks like Josh Brolin on meth
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Clearly a false flag because there’s no way that guy is real
Not only is he real, he lost to Andrei Arlovski at UFC 28 and then became a porn star.
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Clearly a false flag because there’s no way that guy is real
guy looks like Josh Brolin on meth
Little known fact, Josh Brolin actually got his start as a crisis actor.
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https://twitter.com/DefiantLs/status/1498862838072414208
Noted propagandist piece of excrement Brian Tyler Cohen who I'm sure has had no problem uttering, "not all ________" at any other point in his life wants everyone to know that rambling methhead sack of excrement failure as a father and a man encapsulates all conservative republicans.
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https://twitter.com/kahtrinuh/status/1595419314290626560?s=46&t=X2FEJAIndIuc_tyw1k3Bkw
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https://twitter.com/DefiantLs/status/1498862838072414208
Noted propagandist piece of excrement Brian Tyler Cohen who I'm sure has had no problem uttering, "not all ________" at any other point in his life wants everyone to know that rambling methhead sack of excrement failure as a father and a man encapsulates all conservative republicans.
Seems like a solid boomerang for the last couple years of "groomer" discourse.
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Seems like a solid boomerang for the last couple years of "groomer" discourse.
Crooner
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Wim_Hoste_performing_at_Dubai_Expo_2022.jpg/192px-Wim_Hoste_performing_at_Dubai_Expo_2022.jpg)
Groomer
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Monkeys_Grooming.jpg/320px-Monkeys_Grooming.jpg)
Boomer Sooner
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/OklahomaSooners-BoomerSooner-Schooner.jpg/305px-OklahomaSooners-BoomerSooner-Schooner.jpg)
rumor ?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/The_meeting_of_day_and_night_in_a_mountain_valley_with_invisible_pink_unicorn.jpg/320px-The_meeting_of_day_and_night_in_a_mountain_valley_with_invisible_pink_unicorn.jpg)
or just good humor ?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Good_Humor_Vendor_1966.jpg/640px-Good_Humor_Vendor_1966.jpg)
I kid, I kid ....
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Baby_goats_jan_2007_crop.jpg/320px-Baby_goats_jan_2007_crop.jpg)
....company's coming, adios...........Happy Thanksgiving all!!
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https://twitter.com/AboutChesapeake/status/1596141677508710403
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Equally yoked
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/vaughan-condo-shooting-1.6690582
Not confirmed by police yet, but the story is that it's a 70 year old guy who hunted down and executed several members of his condo board.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/vaughan-condo-shooting-1.6690582
Not confirmed by police yet, but the story is that it's a 70 year old guy who hunted down and executed several members of his condo board.
was it Jack Klompus?
(https://preview.redd.it/70c25pdnlnw71.jpg?auto=webp&s=09e4b2ca6ba839f9c4d6de42530a3328241f3e71)
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was it Jack Klompus?
(https://preview.redd.it/70c25pdnlnw71.jpg?auto=webp&s=09e4b2ca6ba839f9c4d6de42530a3328241f3e71)
Actually not a million miles off.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2022/12/19/man-identified-as-vaughan-mass-killer-targeted-condo-board-in-frivolous-andor-vexatious-lawsuit.html
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9 dead - suspect still at large as of 6:45 am EST
Nine people were killed when a gunman opened fire at a dance studio in Monterey Park on Saturday night, according to law enforcement sources and witnesses.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-01-22/la-me-monterey-park-mass-shooting
edit: death toll now at 10
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna66216
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna66216
damn
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It’s Jan 23 and we’re over 30 mass shootings for 2023.
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Half Moon Bay, Ca. (south of SF), 7 dead, 1 critically injured. Suspect Zhao Chunli in custody.
Stayed in HMB just a month ago en route back to SF from Big Sur/Carmel—chilling to see the nearby agricultural nurseries where the shootings too place.
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It’s Jan 23 and we’re over 30 mass shootings for 2023.
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https://nypost.com/2022/12/14/paroled-felon-charged-with-mass-shooting-in-chicago/
https://twitter.com/lennydykstra/status/1617612540971995137?s=46&t=A3c6C6yq2LoNKZMsGvGNeA
^CW: video of shooting
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https://nypost.com/2022/12/14/paroled-felon-charged-with-mass-shooting-in-chicago/
https://twitter.com/lennydykstra/status/1617612540971995137?s=46&t=A3c6C6yq2LoNKZMsGvGNeA
^CW: video of shooting
damn, he wrecked those guys
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damn, he wrecked those guys
Not his first rodeo
The killing spree came less than three months after Parsons-Salas was paroled after a 2014 conviction for an armed home invasion in which two people were shot dead, the Sun-Times said.
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Jfc.
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death du jour - Yakima, WA
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/24/1151186464/yakima-washington-three-dead-shootings
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https://nypost.com/2022/12/14/paroled-felon-charged-with-mass-shooting-in-chicago/
https://twitter.com/lennydykstra/status/1617612540971995137?s=46&t=A3c6C6yq2LoNKZMsGvGNeA
^CW: video of shooting
freaking executes a guy without breaking stride, jesus christ
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1618365620352950272?s=46&t=XAyxud1XXThDSZAVTtMAnA
Holy excrement
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1618365620352950272?s=46&t=XAyxud1XXThDSZAVTtMAnA
Holy excrement
Counterpoint: that young man just viciously assaulted a senior more than twice his age and stole his personal property that he was entirely legally allowed to possess and carry because the law says so.
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Michigan State Univ., 5 shot, 3 killed, perp still at large
https://twitter.com/msupolice/status/1625348771386204161?
edit-update:
shooter found dead by suicide at an off-campus location.
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Michigan State Univ., 5 shot, 3 killed, perp still at large
https://twitter.com/msupolice/status/1625348771386204161?
edit-update:
shooter found dead by suicide at an off-campus location.
just another day in America.
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just another day in America.
Yep.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1126ali/survivor_of_sandy_hook_school_shooting_10_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1126ali/survivor_of_sandy_hook_school_shooting_10_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
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https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1126ali/survivor_of_sandy_hook_school_shooting_10_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1126ali/survivor_of_sandy_hook_school_shooting_10_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Crisis actor, I saw her in a BK ad /s
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Crisis actor, I saw her in a BK ad /s
whopper whopper whopper whopper
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whopper whopper whopper whopper
Chicken Mac?
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Good fuckin grief..
https://twitter.com/elpasotimes/status/1626018791095439361
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"In the future we'll have flying cars"
The future: https://twitter.com/GillianBNews/status/1635397817526267904?t=1I3gxJCAt8zok1jhw2-GZw&s=19
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https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/index.html
6 dead so far including three children. Hopes and prayers, nothing we can do, something something mental health.
Apparently the shooter was a woman, which seems unusual.
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I hate seeing this thread bumped
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7 dead including the shooter, who was a teenage girl who had at least three firearms.
Why would God let something like this happen?
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Why would God let something like this happen?
He wants to arm the teachers!
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I'm sick of this country believing that the murder of children is acceptable.
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I'm sick of this country believing that the murder of children is acceptable.
I’m sick of the fact that I am so apathetic every time this thread gets bumped. I hate that the South Park episode they did on school shootings exists and falls more into the “it’s funny because it’s true” category than being extremely over the top satire.
When will it be enough
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T & P
https://twitter.com/NashvilleSC/status/1640422106000179218
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Apparently the shooter was a woman, which seems unusual.
Courageous step forward for the mass murder industry
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Courageous step forward for the mass murder industry
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego))
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Elementary_School_shooting_(San_Diego))
Yeah I probably should've guessed that
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So few frontiers for Big Murder left to conquer
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Courageous step forward for the mass murder industry
So few frontiers for Big Murder left to conquer
Glass ceiling absolutely shattered today
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Didn't think I'd see absolutely no introspection about the rhetoric behind "anti-trans legislation" and how people are idiotically asserting that its a "GeNoCiDe" which unquestionably fueled this evil sack of excrement from killing Christians, and I wasn't disappointed.
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Didn't think I'd see absolutely no introspection about the rhetoric behind "anti-trans legislation" and how people are idiotically asserting that its a "GeNoCiDe" which unquestionably fueled this evil sack of excrement from killing Christians, and I wasn't disappointed.
Damn, who here said that?
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https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/the-covenant-school-shooter-and-right
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Hyper partisans are quick to turn a tragedy into political discourse even before the facts of the situation at hand are known. Me, I’ll wait for now.
At the same time Fraud’s take on the relationship between guns and masculinity wryly (and ruefully) comes to mind..
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Imagine being upset that you weren't somehow a victim of a mass shooting.
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https://twitter.com/claytravis/status/1640723448279228417?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
TW: police bodycam footage of them taking down shooter
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https://twitter.com/claytravis/status/1640723448279228417?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
TW: police bodycam footage of them taking down shooter
Uvalde cops would never
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Imagine being upset that you weren't somehow a victim of a mass shooting.
This is the second mass school shooting to happen in my backyard.
I was still living in CT when Sandy Hook happened. My friend's sister was a teacher and her daughter went to that school. Luckily they were OK but it took him hours to reach her.
I have a coworker with a kid attending Covenant. This excrement needs to stop. freak the rhetoric. freak the discourse. Do something or step down and let someone that can actual lead, lead.
freak anyone that thinks their "right to own a gun" is more important than my kid's right to be alive.
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https://twitter.com/saragonzalestx/status/1640722840319143938?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Full footage of cops entering school. Incredibly intense excrement.
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Uvalde cops would never
Literally the first thought I had
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This is the second mass school shooting to happen in my backyard.
I was still living in CT when Sandy Hook happened. My friend's sister was a teacher and her daughter went to that school. Luckily they were OK but it took him hours to reach her.
I have a coworker with a kid attending Covenant.
Damn. Closest I ever was to one was the Binghamton Civic Association - I was in my apartment 3 blocks away when it happened.
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https://twitter.com/saragonzalestx/status/1640722840319143938?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Full footage of cops entering school. Incredibly intense excrement.
All of those guys were incredibly well trained and acted without any hesitation.
The cop wearing the first bodycam with footage shown in that clip is great at his job and should be asked to consult.
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Imagine being upset that you weren't somehow a victim of a mass shooting.
I'm lost here...honest question, who's the reference to, i.e. who'd feel 'left out' surviving a mass shooting?
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I'm lost here...honest question, who's the reference to, i.e. who'd feel 'left out' surviving a mass shooting?
You can do this. I believe in you.
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You can do this. I believe in you.
I'm clueless
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Spiderweb.jpg/240px-Spiderweb.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Chimp_Brain_in_a_jar.jpg/190px-Chimp_Brain_in_a_jar.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Spiderweb.jpg/240px-Spiderweb.jpg)
EDIT: thx 4 the (sarcastic) vote of confidence though... ; )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhMHPQH4a8g
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Didn't think I'd see absolutely no introspection and I wasn't disappointed.
I get what you're talking about because you're you but I'm still trying to suss out this triple negative deluxe.
Aren't you a lawyer?
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How come there was more than a few not wearing headprotection?
Purely a matter of urgency and not time to properly be equipped?
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https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1641622311890481152?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
This should fix it
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https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1641622311890481152?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
This should fix it
#47
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https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1641622311890481152?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
This should fix it
I think the one thing that clearly defines shooters in these scenarios is a fear of being killed themselves.
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The FBI posted about 300 pages of stuff about Stephen Paddock
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I get that any reporting on this psychos manifesto would be utterly detrimental to the narratives coming out of the white house (the most odious being that the trans community is under attack as christian children were literally mowed down earlier this week), but you'd think someone from our virtuous freedom fighting press core would want to get their hands on it.
I get what you're talking about because you're you
Aren't you a lawyer?
Lmao, who gives a freak what you think.
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Lmao, who gives a freak what you think.
I MUST RESPOND
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I MUST RESPOND
AND SO YOU HAVE
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AND SO YOU HAVE
how do you feel about your community being under attack?
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mj's community is under attack
how do you feel about your community being under attack?
How do you feel about apparently making light of the fact that someone killed children based on their religious schooling? Is that..what you're doing here? Yikes.
Like freak man, how do you get to be that insanely tribalistic.
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Weird how the right wing narrative after Dylann Roof wasn't that Christians were under attack. Is that because the shooter was right wing or because black Christians don't count?
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To be fair, if dead children are the unavoidable and acceptable cost of allowing private citizens to own weapons designed for the sole purpose of killing people, it's probably best that it is Christian children on the noisy end of them given it's that brand of religion that's out there actively promoting this insanely anachronistic principle.
Perhaps if more Christian children were getting shot, Christian parents might start thinking a bit harder about supporting preachers and politicians who allow this to happen in the first place.
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How do you feel about apparently making light of the fact that someone killed children based on their religious schooling? Is that..what you're doing here? Yikes.
Like freak man, how do you get to be that insanely tribalistic.
If this person shot up a public school, would you be this upset?
Also very interesting that you don't give a damn about the black janitor. On brand.
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children being shot up in school is sad, seeing these videos is sad, seeing nothing being done is sad, becoming numb and used to hearing excrement like this is sad
what can you do when there is a large portion of the country that's accepted the shooting of children while they are trying to learn in school as something that is palatable and okay
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Is that because the shooter was right wing or because black Christians don't count?
Yes.
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Lmao, who gives a freak what you think.
My parents have done more for the greater good in one day then you've done in your miserable, insignificant piece of excrement lowlife existence.
Come to the tailgate this year.
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If this person shot up a public school, would you be this upset?
Ridiculous question.
If this person shot up a public school, would you be this upset?
Also very interesting that you don't give a damn about the black janitor.
On brand.
On bRaNd. What a dick. You're such a clown.
My parents have done more for the greater good in one day then you've done in your miserable, insignificant piece of excrement lowlife existence.
:D :D :D :D that's hilarious.
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My parents have done more for the greater good in one day then you've done in your miserable, insignificant piece of excrement lowlife existence.
Come to the tailgate this year.
Denigration SZN
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My parents have done more for the greater good in one day then you've done
in your miserable, insignificant piece of excrement lowlife existence.
Come to the tailgate this year.
Filial pique, or
statesmanship?
I’d like to suggest tabling this thread for the time being. The vast majority (not all) of takes here have been unconscionably over the top & out of line not to mention the intellectual and philosophical sloth contained in them, so beyond calling anyone out I’m calling on both “sides” to put a sock in it, at least for now.
’To be fair’ we’re embarrassing ourselves….
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My parents have done more for the greater good in one day then you've done in your miserable, insignificant piece of excrement lowlife existence.
Come to the tailgate this year.
Lmfao
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https://twitter.com/DefiantLs/status/1498862838072414208
Noted propagandist piece of excrement Brian Tyler Cohen who I'm sure has had no problem uttering, "not all ________" at any other point in his life wants everyone to know that rambling methhead sack of excrement failure as a father and a man encapsulates all conservative republicans.
I know nobody needs any help figuring this out because it’s a little too obvious, but here’s what MJ was worried about last time he posted about a mass shooting
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https://twitter.com/qasimrashid/status/1642530329473720323?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://twitter.com/qasimrashid/status/1642530329473720323?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA AND FREEDOM?
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https://twitter.com/georebekah/status/1643776088391446528?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
https://twitter.com/maxnordau/status/1644073498812227588?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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https://twitter.com/georebekah/status/1643776088391446528?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
https://twitter.com/maxnordau/status/1644073498812227588?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
There's a lot of stuff DeSantis does that stirs up outrage and can be seen as controversial.
Also somehow doubt that this has anything unique to do with DeSantis
First article I saw detailing the accusations
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/13-old-son-rebekah-jones-183512058.html
I 100% think it's reasonable and appropriate for this to be investigated. I understand her lawsuit bullshit makes this controversial and seem potentially retaliatory, but it very much should not be.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/10/us/louisville-kentucky-shooting.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/10/us/louisville-kentucky-shooting.html)
5:8
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Gov. Andy Beshear of Kentucky traveled to the scene of the shooting and was visibly emotional at the news conference on Monday morning.
“This is awful,” he said. “I have a very close friend that didn’t make it today. And I have another close friend who didn’t, either, and one who is at the hospital that I hope is going to make it through. So when we talk about praying, I hope people will.”
Good. Maybe if the friends, families and children of people in a position to actually freaking do something about America's idiotic gun laws start dying at a good lick they might finally be motivated to do something about it. Or maybe they'll just keep banging on about praying, but at what point do all these idiots start to ask the difficult questions?
"I've been praying for all these shooting victims for years now and yet it keeps happening. What if prayers aren't the right answer? Why isn't he listening when I pray? Why does all my praying fall on deaf ears but those godless foreigners who don't pray worth a excrement don't get their friends and children executed randomly by gunmen on an almost daily basis?"
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Good. Maybe if the friends, families and children of people in a position to actually freaking do something about America's idiotic gun laws start dying at a good lick they might finally be motivated to do something about it. Or maybe they'll just keep banging on about praying, but at what point do all these idiots start to ask the difficult questions?
"I've been praying for all these shooting victims for years now and yet it keeps happening. What if prayers aren't the right answer? Why isn't he listening when I pray? Why does all my praying fall on deaf ears but those godless foreigners who don't pray worth a excrement don't get their friends and children executed randomly by gunmen on an almost daily basis?"
This brings up the interesting point of murder rates, which are all close to identical in all the similar 1st world countries, and still astronomically higher in lower socioeconomic countries
When mass shootings involve kids they're definitely unique, but otherwise murder is murder. The news just sensationalizes them differently
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This brings up the interesting point of murder rates, which are all close to identical in all the similar 1st world countries
Well, that's fundamentally not correct, is it? Let's take the G20: you've got South Africa, Brazil and Mexico as the definitive murder champions, then a clear mid table group of Russia, the US and Argentina, and then everyone else lagging way behind. The US in 5th have a homicide rate per capita three times that of Canada in 7th, four times France, Saudi Arabia and the UK, five times or more that of Germany et al.
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Just another day in paradise - 20 shot….20
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-weekend-shootings-today-violence-police/13108671/
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https://twitter.com/MediumSizeMeech/status/1645542393117065218/photo/1
That's now two mass shooters the media are trying to humanize because they share their politics.
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https://twitter.com/DefiantLs/status/1498862838072414208
Noted propagandist piece of excrement Brian Tyler Cohen who I'm sure has had no problem uttering, "not all ________" at any other point in his life wants everyone to know that rambling methhead sack of excrement failure as a father and a man encapsulates all conservative republicans.
Bump
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Just another day in paradise - 20 shot….20
https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-weekend-shootings-today-violence-police/13108671/
Just a few more guns should fix this
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https://twitter.com/MediumSizeMeech/status/1645542393117065218/photo/1
That's now two mass shooters the media are trying to humanize because they share their politics.
(https://i.redd.it/yg2zlqv7gbta1.jpg)
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Louisville…again…
https://www.wlky.com/amp/article/6-shot-2-dead-in-chickasaw-park-shooting-louisville/43609274
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Apparently 20+ shot with at least 6 deaths at a sweet 16 in Alabama
It's starting to seem like there's one everyday
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Louisville…again…
https://www.wlky.com/amp/article/6-shot-2-dead-in-chickasaw-park-shooting-louisville/43609274
Mayor Craig Greenberg called for the people to put down their guns saying, "It wasn’t just Monday's shooting. Wasn’t just todays shooting. There were several other shootings in between. We lost more lives in between Monday's mass shooting and tonight’s. Please, put your weapons down. There are so many ways to resolve disputes, to talk to one another. Gun violence is not the solution to anything. Please put your weapons down."
Bold part: isn't this essentially the entire 2A argument? You support 2A if you believe that gun violence is the solution to some things. (I have no idea as to Mayor Greenberg's political leanings or position on firearms.)
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Apparently 20+ shot with at least 6 deaths at a sweet 16 in Alabama
It's starting to seem like there's one everyday
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1648034855228174336?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
It’s sad because this really could be avoided if we armed all of the 16 year olds at sweet 16 parties. Other countries already have this figured out
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https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1648034855228174336?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
It’s sad because this really could be avoided if we armed all of the 16 year olds at sweet 16 parties. Other countries already have this figured out
Love the guy in the replies being racist about the victims' names.
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Love the guy in the replies being racist about the victims' names.
If we're talking about what I assume is the same poster
It seems like that poster is complaining that CNNs picture was of 4 white kids, while the poster is assuming that the victims were not white because of their names.
Which is all compounded by the caption of the white kids being
Update: All four victims killed at a Sweet 16 birthday party in Alabama have been identified.
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If we're talking about what I assume is the same poster
It seems like that poster is complaining that CNNs picture was of 4 white kids, while the poster is assuming that the victims were not white because of their names.
Nah it was a different one.
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Mass shooting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZPooUHVco4
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political statement?
(Ill. Sen. Rbt. Peters' take)
https://twitter.com/RobertJPeters/status/1647716399928754185
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death du jour
https://apnews.com/article/maine-interstate-shooting-3b108fc70e19e325bd0dcf565ab3a4ed
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https://abc13.com/woodlands-elite-cheerleaders-shot-shooting-at-heb-in-elgin-texas-payton-washington-pedro-tello-rodriguez-jr-arrested/13150502/ (https://abc13.com/woodlands-elite-cheerleaders-shot-shooting-at-heb-in-elgin-texas-payton-washington-pedro-tello-rodriguez-jr-arrested/13150502/)
Tried to open the a door to the wrong car by accident, got shot.
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I think we're gonna need to subcategorize this thread pretty soon and it makes me want to burn the world.
Mass Shootings (school)
Mass Shootings (other)
Cluster Shootings (Chicago)
Cluster Shootings (other)
sTaNd YoUr GrOuNd Shootings
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I think we're gonna need to subcategorize this thread pretty soon and it makes me want to burn the world.
Mass Shootings (school)
Mass Shootings (other)
Cluster Shootings (Chicago)
Cluster Shootings (other)
sTaNd YoUr GrOuNd Shootings
You guys are bringing back the Old West.
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I think we're gonna need to subcategorize this thread pretty soon and it makes me want to burn the world.
Mass Shootings (school)
Mass Shootings (other)
Cluster Shootings (Chicago)
Cluster Shootings (other)
sTaNd YoUr GrOuNd Shootings
Maybe just a whole shooting subforum.
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Maybe just a whole shooting subforum.
The Kyle Rittenhouse Firing Range
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https://sports.yahoo.com/kindergartener-6-shot-while-playing-162216193.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/kindergartener-6-shot-while-playing-162216193.html)
They should remake The Sandlot for modern audiences: instead of The Beast it's just James Earl Jones with an itchy trigger finger.
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Which one is the good guy with the gun?
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Which one is the good guy with the gun?
https://twitter.com/kenlemonWSOC9/status/1648696296713121792
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Apparently 20+ shot with at least 6 deaths at a sweet 16 in Alabama
It's starting to seem like there's one everyday
6th murder suspect arrested - a 15 year old.
https://www.wsfa.com/2023/04/21/da-says-15-year-old-is-6th-arrest-dadeville-mass-shooting/
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1653865894664192000?s=20
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It's national disgrace that medical centres in the US don't routinely have armed receptionists.
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1653865894664192000?s=20
Ugh, I stay off twitter other than when someone here posts a link to something, but I just made the mistake of reading the replies. People are freaking stupid.
I know the answer, but is one side so consumed with proving themselves "not wrong" that they think posting things like "Another white supremacist with an AR-15" or "BLM?" or "Wait, you can mass murder with a handgun" really makes them sound "right"?
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Ugh, I stay off twitter other than when someone here posts a link to something, but I just made the mistake of reading the replies. People are freaking stupid.
I know the answer, but is one side so consumed with proving themselves "not wrong" that they think posting things like "Another white supremacist with an AR-15" or "BLM?" or "Wait, you can mass murder with a handgun" really makes them sound "right"?
I never thought that mass shootings would happen so often in the US that now each instance would be viewed in a trivial sense.
That 2nd amendment needs to be repealed before you guys revert back to the full blown Wild West era
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I never thought that mass shootings would happen so often in the US that now each instance would be viewed in a trivial sense.
That 2nd amendment needs to be repealed before you guys revert back to the full blown Wild West era
My wife says it all the time, if we didn't do anything after Sandy Hook, we were never going to do anything.
That said, 2A is fine. I'm fine with people owning firearms. And while I think AR-15s are completely unnecessary, I'm even okay with people owning them.
But they should be locked in a locker at a registered gun range, and only available to use at the gun range. If you need to remove it from the premises, there should be a system in place to do so, with tracking available.
There's a middle ground. The gun lobby isn't interested in it though, so they'll keep pumping out "muh rightz" propaganda to keep "freedom" alive. #profitoverpeople
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My wife says it all the time, if we didn't do anything after Sandy Hook, we were never going to do anything.
That said, 2A is fine. I'm fine with people owning firearms. And while I think AR-15s are completely unnecessary, I'm even okay with people owning them.
But they should be locked in a locker at a registered gun range, and only available to use at the gun range. If you need to remove it from the premises, there should be a system in place to do so, with tracking available.
There's a middle ground. The gun lobby isn't interested in it though, so they'll keep pumping out "muh rightz" propaganda to keep "freedom" alive. #profitoverpeople
I disagree. Unless you're hunting for food, guns aren't required. People don't need to own them.
i've never owned a gun, and my life hasn't been affected negatively.
I'm also aware this debate has been beaten to death....this is just my summarized .02 cents
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I disagree. Unless you're hunting for food, guns aren't required. People don't need to own them.
i've never owned a gun, and my life hasn't been affected negatively.
I've never owned one either. And I don't see a reason to own one.
But I'm willing to meet gun owners halfway if it means it's harder for bad actors to acquire them to use against innocent people.
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Alio's right though. I don't care if you want to own a Gatling gun as long as you only use it to make holes in bits of paper at a secured and licensed range.
The idea of keeping guns at home or on your person for protection is comprehensively proven to be utter idiocy.
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Japan boasts a population of more than 127 million people, yet finished 2019 with a gun death rate of only .02 per 100,000 people. One major factor in this success is that Japan has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. For Japanese citizens to purchase a gun, they must attend an all-day class, pass a written exam, and complete a shooting range test, scoring at least 95% accuracy. Candidates will also receive a mental health evaluation, performed at a hospital, and will have a comprehensive background check done by the government. Only shotguns and rifles can be purchased. The class and exam must be retaken every three years.
Sounds perfectly reasonable, but gun nuts freak out any time the subject of making gun laws better in this country comes up
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It's national disgrace that medical centres in the US don't routinely have armed receptionists.
In this wake of a mass shooting in Canada which killed 22 people during an April 18-20, 2020 spree there was no mention of it whatsoever in this very thread covering that time span (page 68)....not even a cheeky swipe like the southerly-directed one above.
And while the PM took action in the aftermath (bully for him) the utter 'home team disregard' at the time was noteworthy...
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In this wake of a mass shooting in Canada which killed 22 people during an April 18-20, 2020 spree there was no mention of it whatsoever in this very thread covering that time span (page 68)....not even a cheeky swipe like the southerly-directed one above.
And while the PM took action in the aftermath (bully for him) the utter 'home team disregard' at the time was noteworthy...
shootings in Canada are still met with shock and surprise, because they're a rarity. It's not a weekly routine like it is in the US.
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In this wake of a mass shooting in Canada which killed 22 people during an April 18-20, 2020 spree there was no mention of it whatsoever in this very thread covering that time span (page 68)....not even a cheeky swipe like the southerly-directed one above.
And while the PM took action in the aftermath (bully for him) the utter 'home team disregard' at the time was noteworthy...
What are we doing here? Are we actually accusing MB and JE of not caring enough about it happening in their own country?
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In this wake of a mass shooting in Canada which killed 22 people during an April 18-20, 2020 spree there was no mention of it whatsoever in this very thread covering that time span (page 68)....not even a cheeky swipe like the southerly-directed one above.
And while the PM took action in the aftermath (bully for him) the utter 'home team disregard' at the time was noteworthy...
I'm sorry, what? "Your observation of the absolute epidemic of children and innocents being executed in the US is moot because you failed to comment on JO that one time it happened in Canada (with weapons that were purchased legally in the US)"?
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We had a shooter prancing around Nova Scotia last month posing as a RCMP officer, and shooting people.
Our prime minister banned assault rifles the next day.
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That's like a 2 out of 10 on the cheeky scale. Invalid.
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shootings in Canada are still met with shock and surprise, because they're a rarity. It's not a weekly routine like it is in the US.
Point taken and noted MB but my point was that since its "a weekly routine" in the U.S. and a rarity in Canada, all the more reason that a mass murder to the tune of 22 dead would be all the more newsworthy in the unusual "man bites dog" sense.
What are we doing here? Are we actually accusing MB and JE of not caring enough about it happening in their own country?
No and I did not mean to imply so Cato (more re: that down below).
I'm sorry, what? "Your observation of the absolute epidemic of children and innocents being executed in the US is moot because you failed to comment on JO that one time it happened in Canada (with weapons that were purchased legally in the US)"?
Hardly my point JE; it was more the uppity flippant "It's national disgrace that medical centres in the US don't routinely have armed receptionists" swipe.
We had a shooter prancing around Nova Scotia LAST MONTH posing as a RCMP officer, and shooting people.
Our prime minister banned assault rifles the next day.
That SFD was my point; a double deuce killing didn't even make 'that day's news'?
Statistics: obviously the US leads in mass-shootings by a country mile. At the same time, statistics are like trick ponies, i.e.
Q: what's 1 + 1 equal?
A: what do you want it to equal?
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
to all: I just returned this afternoon from an extended vacay in Paris to hear yet another disheartening story (Atlanta) along with other dispiriting general news both locally and nationally. Over 'there' this past Monday there were a shitload of violent May Day protests and while our hotel (le Bristol) was not near ground zero, the street it was on (Rue du Faubourg Saint-Honoré) was closed and had machine gun-toting uniformed hommes (and femmes-often hot 'tttt') stationed on each corner and all about (Macron's residence was fairly down the road). That said, my point is it appears that quite often one man's news is another man's non-story to use the old adage "one man's trash is another man's treasure." That is what I suppose I was trying to point out was that a killing's a killing no matter where it is and to dismiss or not to cover it because it doesn't fit a particular target audience narrative isn't exactly kosher. Freak the Pauline Hanson's (One Nation) of the world but at the same time, take note no matter where or when or who it involves.
TL;DR: freak it
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Hardly my point JE; it was more the uppity flippant "It's national disgrace that medical centres in the US don't routinely have armed receptionists" swipe.
Is that not a logical conclusion based on the solutions offered thus far by your elected representatives?
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https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729 (https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-tightens-gun-control-after-deadly-school-shooting/a-65516729)
What a novel approach. I wonder if anyone else tried it.
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https://www.fox4news.com/news/allen-premium-outlets-shooting.amp (https://www.fox4news.com/news/allen-premium-outlets-shooting.amp)
Another day in Texas.
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INB4 “The shooters race/sexual orientation/religion is the cause of this!”
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INB4 “The shooters race/sexual orientation/religion is the cause of this!”
Shooter is supposedly Hispanic. If Biden didn’t steal the election, this wouldn’t have happened!
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If only someone put a wall around the shopping center.
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If only someone put a wall around the shopping center.
They had too many doors.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/man-witnessed-allen-outlet-mall-shooting/
this is so fucked
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"I lost three people."
JFC, imagine having to say that as a civilian.
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By comparison, over 500,000 took part in May Day protests (and violent rioting in spots with black-clad anarchists) in France this padt week with over 500 arrests and over 200 cops and gendarmes injured. And in the midst of this: O DEATHS.
Enough already. Gun possession = mandatory hoosegow,
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“At least we’re not Chicago” might be one of the worst post shooting responses we’ve seen yet
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I ask again… how many people have to die before we decide enough is enough?
A little girl in a bush with her face blown off? The child nearly drowning in his mothers blood?
I just want to know why the pro gun people feel we couldn’t replicate what other countries have accomplished? Why can it just “not work here” I’m serious, why is it impossible to find a solution? I hear nonsense about “first they will take your guns” and then they will storm into your house and we can’t revolt or whatever as the reason. But why haven’t governments in other countries down this if it’s inevitable if their citizens aren’t armed?
And if you think the government is so corrupt they’ll come for you, why in the holy freak do we keep re-electing these damn people anyways? I mean Jesus Christ
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I ask again… how many people have to die before we decide enough is enough?
At least a couple more.
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At least a couple more.
dcm mode engaged
If the state of New York can abstain from shooting each other, maybe we'll attract more NFL free agents.
dcm mode disengaged
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The ole 2nd amendment scoreboard for tyrannical governments overthrown vs. innocent children slaughtered is starting to get awful lopsided
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The ole 2nd amendment scoreboard for tyrannical governments overthrown vs. innocent children slaughtered is starting to get awful lopsided
Maybe the only reason they haven't gone all Kim Jong on your derriere is Bubba and his $600 Wal-Mart Armalite.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/texas-mall-shooting-live-updates-rcna83297#rcrd12984
freak
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/texas-mall-shooting-live-updates-rcna83297#rcrd12984
freak
sHaLl NoT bE iNfRiNgEd
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(https://i.redd.it/fj6vofsg2pya1.jpg)
Yeah this checks out.
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(https://i.redd.it/fj6vofsg2pya1.jpg)
Yeah this checks out.
Is he trans? What is his immigration status?
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(https://i.redd.it/fj6vofsg2pya1.jpg)
Yeah this checks out.
The SS stands for Super Socialist
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(https://i.redd.it/fj6vofsg2pya1.jpg)
Yeah this checks out.
Damn you, Ed Norton.
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Republicans: the problem isn't guns, it's mental illness!
Also Republicans: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/28/517799119/trump-repeals-rule-designed-to-block-gun-sales-to-certain-mentally-ill-people
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https://twitter.com/arictoler/status/1655954771533082629?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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Shooter is supposedly Hispanic. If Biden didn’t steal the election, this wouldn’t have happened!
Shooter is supposedly Hispanic, yet that hasn't stopped certain accounts which this place gets their shitty derriere talking points from, from declaring HuWyTe SuPrEmAcy.
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Shooter is supposedly Hispanic, yet that hasn't stopped certain accounts which this place gets their shitty derriere talking points from, from declaring HuWyTe SuPrEmAcy.
Build that wall
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Didn't think I'd see absolutely no introspection about the rhetoric behind "anti-Nazi legislation" and how people are idiotically asserting that its a "GeNoCiDe" which unquestionably fueled this evil sack of excrement from killing huwytes, and I wasn't disappointed.
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Build that wall
Just out of curiosity, what do I have to say to get you to wish death on 60 million plus again? I'd like to know so I can repeat it over and over again.
Didn't think I'd see absolutely no introspection about the rhetoric behind "anti-Nazi legislation" and how people are idiotically asserting that its a "GeNoCiDe" which unquestionably fueled this evil sack of excrement from killing huwytes, and I wasn't disappointed.
Nice attempt at a gotcha. I'd ask about the leaps of logic inherent in that post, but it's just the equivalent of a fat drunk flailing to get his grip on the stair bannister.
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Just out of curiosity, what do I have to say to get you to wish death on 60 million plus again? I'd like to know so I can repeat it over and over again.
Nice attempt at a gotcha. I'd ask about the leaps of logic inherent in that post, but it's just the equivalent of a fat drunk flailing to get his grip on the stair bannister.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/u4BlZ7lIyCFpu/giphy.gif)
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Just out of curiosity, what do I have to say to get you to wish death on 60 million plus again? I'd like to know so I can repeat it over and over again.
Do you like Imagine Dragons?
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I've come to a conclusion that.the only reason that I would.read any of MJ's posts is due to a weird fetish so I'm just going to lean into that hard from now on.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Logical_fallacy.svg/320px-Logical_fallacy.svg.png)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Cancel_Culture.jpg/185px-Cancel_Culture.jpg)
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Merch.
MERCH.
I hate it here.
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Merch.
MERCH.
I hate it here.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biore-school-shooting-cecilee-max-brown-apology-ad-influencer/
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Very normal way to celebrate your success.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65888631
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https://www.denverpost.com/2023/06/13/mass-shooting-downtown-denver-nuggets-championship/
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https://twitter.com/sarahiscensored/status/1674140649120038913?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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Baltimore
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna92223
Wichita
https://www.nbc15.com/2023/07/02/7-wounded-2-trampled-shooting-kansas-bar-police-say/
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Philly:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/03/us/philadelphia-shooting-kingsessing.html
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This screwball would rationalize combating rape with a dick
https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-mass-shooting-kimbrady-carriker-motive-murder-20230705.html?outputType=amp
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This screwball would rationalize combating rape with a dick
https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-mass-shooting-kimbrady-carriker-motive-murder-20230705.html?outputType=amp
Hang on, isn't "more guns" the default right wing answer to gun violence? I thought the reason this kept happening was because not enough people are packing?
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Auckland, NZ
https://amp.dw.com/en/new-zealand-3-dead-after-auckland-shooting/a-66290895
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/jacksonville-shooting-latest-spasm-violence-driven-racist-hatred-rcna102017 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/jacksonville-shooting-latest-spasm-violence-driven-racist-hatred-rcna102017)
Jacksonville. 3 dead at dollar general, plus shooter.
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wtf…
https://www.wlwt.com/amp/article/charges-dropped-against-juvenile-suspect-drive-otr-shooting/44914452
more wtf…
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2023/08/27/one-dead-one-hurt-shooting-easton-town-center-columbus-ohio-police-active-shooter-mall/70696458007/
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wtf…
https://www.wlwt.com/amp/article/charges-dropped-against-juvenile-suspect-drive-otr-shooting/44914452
more wtf…
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2023/08/27/one-dead-one-hurt-shooting-easton-town-center-columbus-ohio-police-active-shooter-mall/70696458007/
Kids on trial for partaking in a freaking murder with an ankle bracelet on and he's allowed to go to public school while awaiting trial
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Kids on trial for partaking in a freaking murder with an ankle bracelet on and he's allowed to go to public school while awaiting trial
Every season I had MULTIPLE students come to summer practice with ankle monitors.
Public school employees are babysitters.
The no social media rule was in place then too. That'll stop 'em!
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Whack job had entire Tar Heel nation at UNC on lockdown
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/29/us/unc-chapel-hill-shooting-gunman-charges.html
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Every season I had MULTIPLE students come to summer practice with ankle monitors.
Public school employees are babysitters.
The no social media rule was in place then too. That'll stop 'em!
I can get the ankle bracelet thing to an extent, especially if it's not particularly serious. But whnn you're involved in a freaking murder, that's nuts
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Reports up here in Maine saying ongoing active shooter scenes - dozens of casualties - multiple locations - unclear how many shooters. Town hour north of me, I've spent a lot of time there. Horrific.
My apartment looks out on the helipad of the only level 1 trauma center in Maine. I was out until a few minutes ago but have already heard multiple helicopters land.
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Reports up here in Maine saying ongoing active shooter scenes - dozens of casualties - multiple locations - unclear how many shooters. Town hour north of me, I've spent a lot of time there. Horrific.
Looks like it's the same shooter. At the very least I hope you remain safe.
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Very cool very normal country we live in
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Very cool very normal country we live in
Sir...this is an Arbys.
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Politicians: we should continue to do nothing
What the freak are the point of these people
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Politicians: we should continue to do nothing
What the freak are the point of these people
They represent what the people in general want. They suck because we as a mass unit suck. Plus money and stuff.
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Maybe make it slightly less convenient to purchase a high powered and high capacity firearm.
Gun owners: This is worse than that german guy!!1!1!21!
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Maybe make it slightly less convenient to purchase a high powered and high capacity firearm.
Gun owners: This is worse than that german guy!!1!1!21!
I still don't understand how this is even a conversation
There are certainly people who are fully of the opinion that zero firearms should be in the hands of non-military, but most folks just want some common sense laws on the books. It doesn't get simpler than "nobody needs semi/automatic weapons or high capacity rounds--other than the military."
But gun manufacturers are the OG "incite the masses for our own benefit" crowd.
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How am I gonna stop da currupt gobernent in da next revolutionary war without my AR15
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Insane details about this case. Dude was an army reservist for over 20 years. His command knew he was armed and potentially violent, and he was committed for weeks over the summer for a mental health 'eval'. His family (in May!) and the army (seems like initially in July, again in September) both contacted local law enforcement, who went on to try to find him in September. His ex-wife also reported he had taken possession of 10-15 guns from his family earlier in the summer.
A local sheriff has stated he circulated out an all-state, all-law enforcement bulletin because the guy was known to be armed and suspected of planning a mass shooting. Literally other army reservists told local sheriffs that they thought he was going to commit a mass shooting. Law enforcement was in touch with both his reservist command and his family, who all said he was armed and dangerous and needed to be treated for an acute, dangerous mental health situation. They reportedly had him surrounded at his home in September, but he didn't open the door, so they left without making contact. They cancelled the bulletin looking for him around ten days ago.
He also bought the gun used for this shooting in legally this summer, and apparently legally purchased more guns "days" before the shooting. Over the summer he was denied purchasing a suppressor because he self-reported he'd been recently hospitalized for a mental health episode, in one of the only situations in which some institution actually placed any limit on his access to weapons.
Just an absurd systemic failure of the combination of mental healthcare policies, law enforcement, and gun control measures resulting in devastating consequences.
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They represent what the people in general want. They suck because we as a mass unit suck. Plus money and stuff.
The politicians we have now absolutely do not represent what most people in this country want. Most people do not want bipartisan bickering, stalled initiatives, stupid immigration policies, ignorant economic theories, drunk sailor spending. They suck because we used to have abject retards in politics, now we have old out of touch and young out of touch retards in office that wouldn't know educated compromise if it smacked them in the face.
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Insane details about this case. Dude was an army reservist for over 20 years. His command knew he was armed and potentially violent, and he was committed for weeks over the summer for a mental health 'eval'. His family (in May!) and the army (seems like initially in July, again in September) both contacted local law enforcement, who went on to try to find him in September. His ex-wife also reported he had taken possession of 10-15 guns from his family earlier in the summer.
A local sheriff has stated he circulated out an all-state, all-law enforcement bulletin because the guy was known to be armed and suspected of planning a mass shooting. Literally other army reservists told local sheriffs that they thought he was going to commit a mass shooting. Law enforcement was in touch with both his reservist command and his family, who all said he was armed and dangerous and needed to be treated for an acute, dangerous mental health situation. They reportedly had him surrounded at his home in September, but he didn't open the door, so they left without making contact. They cancelled the bulletin looking for him around ten days ago.
He also bought the gun used for this shooting in legally this summer, and apparently legally purchased more guns "days" before the shooting. Over the summer he was denied purchasing a suppressor because he self-reported he'd been recently hospitalized for a mental health episode, in one of the only situations in which some institution actually placed any limit on his access to weapons.
Just an absurd systemic failure of the combination of mental healthcare policies, law enforcement, and gun control measures resulting in devastating consequences.
“Well he’s not answering the door so I guess we can stop looking altogether,” is just insane.
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“Well he’s not answering the door so I guess we can stop looking altogether,” is just insane.
My Halloween policy.
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The politicians we have now absolutely do not represent what most people in this country want. Most people do not want bipartisan bickering, stalled initiatives, stupid immigration policies, ignorant economic theories, drunk sailor spending. They suck because we used to have abject retards in politics, now we have old out of touch and young out of touch retards in office that wouldn't know educated compromise if it smacked them in the face.
if they didn't represent what their voters wanted, they wouldn't get elected. I'm not talking individual issues, I'm talking in general.
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if they didn't represent what their voters wanted, they wouldn't get elected. I'm not talking individual issues, I'm talking in general.
That's not true.
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That's not true.
"You know, I don't like much this poopchute has to say. I think he's wrong on most things. He's got my vote!"
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I'll admit, I should have said voters initially instead of people.
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if they didn't represent what their voters wanted, they wouldn't get elected. I'm not talking individual issues, I'm talking in general.
This is not true. People vote along party lines because they want to say their side "won." They rarely actually look into the politics or platform of the person. They only look at whether there's a big D or R next to their name.
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"You know, I don't like much this poopchute has to say. I think he's wrong on most things. He's got my vote!"
The average person has given up. So what you said above isn't wrong.
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“Well he’s not answering the door so I guess we can stop looking altogether,” is just insane.
I believe they were just afraid of getting into a shoot out with a psycho with high powered weapons and extensive weapons training.
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I believe they were just afraid of getting into a shoot out with a psycho with high powered weapons and extensive weapons training.
These are the same bootlickers that were afraid to stop a school shooting, right?
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I believe they were just afraid of getting into a shoot out with a psycho with high powered weapons and extensive weapons training.
But they are psychos with high powered weapons and extensive weapons training.
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Insane details about this case. Dude was an army reservist for over 20 years. His command knew he was armed and potentially violent, and he was committed for weeks over the summer for a mental health 'eval'. His family (in May!) and the army (seems like initially in July, again in September) both contacted local law enforcement, who went on to try to find him in September. His ex-wife also reported he had taken possession of 10-15 guns from his family earlier in the summer.
A local sheriff has stated he circulated out an all-state, all-law enforcement bulletin because the guy was known to be armed and suspected of planning a mass shooting. Literally other army reservists told local sheriffs that they thought he was going to commit a mass shooting. Law enforcement was in touch with both his reservist command and his family, who all said he was armed and dangerous and needed to be treated for an acute, dangerous mental health situation. They reportedly had him surrounded at his home in September, but he didn't open the door, so they left without making contact. They cancelled the bulletin looking for him around ten days ago.
He also bought the gun used for this shooting in legally this summer, and apparently legally purchased more guns "days" before the shooting. Over the summer he was denied purchasing a suppressor because he self-reported he'd been recently hospitalized for a mental health episode, in one of the only situations in which some institution actually placed any limit on his access to weapons.
Just an absurd systemic failure of the combination of mental healthcare policies, law enforcement, and gun control measures resulting in devastating consequences.
I’m not a financial advisor but surely if everyone had a few more guns this situation would have resolved itself
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The politicians we have now absolutely do not represent what most people in this country want. Most people do not want bipartisan bickering, stalled initiatives, stupid immigration policies, ignorant economic theories, drunk sailor spending. They suck because we used to have abject retards in politics, now we have old out of touch and young out of touch retards in office that wouldn't know educated compromise if it smacked them in the face.
I mean, I don’t disagree with anything you said there, but these people get voted for and elected. By dumbasses. We are a country of dumbasses. We just lected Donald Trump and Joe Biden back to back. That’s a bad movie script. We aren’t sending our best.
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This is not true. People vote along party lines because they want to say their side "won." They rarely actually look into the politics or platform of the person. They only look at whether there's a big D or R next to their name.
Sinema says hai
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I believe they were just afraid of getting into a shoot out with a psycho with high powered weapons and extensive weapons training.
Cops weren’t 2nd amendmenting hard enough, pathetic
Idk what evidence more you need after excrement like Uvalde and this. You can’t make these freaking weapons available to every psychopath off the street. To the point where law enforcement is too scared to engage with them
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It honestly feels like the guns peoples solution to this is “everyone should carry an AR15 on them at all times in case the most deranged person on earth comes at you with a legally bought Rambo arsenal”
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“Also kids should stay strapped JIC”
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Finding out exactly what kind of cynic people are in this thread.
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Why are the guns not allowed to have guns?
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I mean, I don’t disagree with anything you said there, but these people get voted for and elected. By dumbasses. We are a country of dumbasses. We just lected Donald Trump and Joe Biden back to back. That’s a bad movie script. We aren’t sending our best.
I've avoided any of the politics for a while now, but the answer to this is to enact meaningful campaign finance reform.
Corporations, PACs, and any other non-human entity should be unable to contribute to a politician's campaign and should be unable to produce advertisements for a candidate.
It's not the general public's fault that we're consistently presented with our choice of two mediocre options. It's simply that in most cases, the people who raise the most money get to appear on ballots. As long as there is no outside control over where that money comes from, we'll continue to have two candidates on every ballot that are beholden to someone/something. Like the NRA.
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I've avoided any of the politics for a while now, but the answer to this is to enact meaningful campaign finance reform.
Corporations, PACs, and any other non-human entity should be unable to contribute to a politician's campaign and should be unable to produce advertisements for a candidate.
It's not the general public's fault that we're consistently presented with our choice of two mediocre options. It's simply that in most cases, the people who raise the most money get to appear on ballots. As long as there is no outside control over where that money comes from, we'll continue to have two candidates on every ballot that are beholden to someone/something. Like the NRA.
The NRA is in deep excrement. Their membership dues have plummeted and their legal costs are through the roof.
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The NRA is in deep excrement. Their membership dues have plummeted and their legal costs are through the roof.
As long as there are gun manufacturers, there will be an NRA. It might have a different name, but it'll still exist.
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Finding out exactly what kind of cynic people are in this thread.
This thread is about mass shootings, the fact it gets bumped every few weeks, the shootings are all located in the only country with this problem, the only thing our elected officials want to do is pray on, you are shocked that everyone is cynical?
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This thread is about mass shootings, the fact it gets bumped every few weeks, the shootings are all located in the only country with this problem, the only thing our elected officials want to do is pray on, you are shocked that everyone is cynical?
You're really taking the wrong lesson away from that one, there.
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You're really taking the wrong lesson away from that one, there.
Enlighten me. Not being combative, I’m willing to try a different perspective but I don’t believe there’s anything other than “get the weapons solely designed for mass destruction out of the hands of psychopaths” being the answer here.
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Enlighten me. Not being combative, I’m willing to try a different perspective but I don’t believe there’s anything other than “get the weapons solely designed for mass destruction out of the hands of psychopaths” being the answer here.
Different kinds of cynics.
Just read the sentence instead of reading into it.
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Different kinds of cynics.
Just read the sentence instead of reading into it.
I'll admit, I interpreted it the same as Steve.
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Different kinds of cynics.
Just read the sentence instead of reading into it.
Ah, that’s my bad. It can be difficult to not have an emotional reaction with this topic.
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Ah, that’s my bad. It can be difficult to not have an emotional reaction with this topic.
All good.
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All good.
Still plodding away with that schtick huh. God forbid I show up to a tailgate and you insist on calling me that to my face.
I will leave in a cop car. And you will have to suck cheese dust through a straw. Fair trade. And no I'm not freaking with you.
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Still plodding away with that schtick huh. God forbid I show up to a tailgate and you insist on calling me that to my face.
I will leave in a cop car. And you will have to suck cheese dust through a straw. Fair trade. And no I'm not freaking with you.
You'd be mad if I said you were good?
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freak. I completely forgot about this bit
Still plodding away with that schtick huh. God forbid I show up to a tailgate and you insist on calling me that to my face.
I will leave in a cop car. And you will have to suck Cinnadust™ through a straw. Fair trade. And no I'm not freaking with you.
Also pictured in the quoted thread: me completely forgetting that this copypasta existed.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna128283
https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-responding-active-shooter-university-nevada-las-vegas/story?id=105433557
Three cities in two days.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/04/us/perry-iowa-school-shooting.html
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/04/us/perry-iowa-school-shooting.html
I can't tell if it's on me for not knowing about this already or if 1 dead kid isn't enough to break into the top of the news anymore.
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/03/22/world/moscow-shooting
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Hey it's not here this time!
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The most messed up part of this is both the US and UK literally told Russia to watch our for a mass causality event in the near coming weeks, especially at large gatherings including concerts
It also makes you wonder how many of these type things our government has actually stopped here, and simply just not told us about