Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2017, 09:37:58 AM
Post by: Pope on January 20, 2017, 09:51:07 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2017, 09:55:08 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 20, 2017, 09:58:03 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2017, 10:01:32 AM
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 10:16:58 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 20, 2017, 10:27:14 AM
what a great day to be white, wealthy, and straight
Fixed that for you.
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 10:41:14 AM
Fixed that for you.
I feel bad for people like you who do nothing but complain about being discriminated against yet all you do is discriminate.
Today is a great day for ALL Americans.
Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2017, 10:43:31 AM
I feel bad for people like you who do nothing but complain about being discriminated against yet all you do is discriminate.
Today is a great day for ALL Americans.
Pretty sure he's white and wealthy. Not sure about the straight part though.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2017, 10:44:14 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 20, 2017, 10:48:26 AM
I feel bad for people like you who do nothing but complain about being discriminated against yet all you do is discriminate.
Today is a great day for ALL Americans.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
Trump's gonna freak up the oath, isn't he? I probably would. I'd be nervous as excrement.
I felt bad for Obama in 2009 when John Roberts messed up causing Obama to pause during the oath.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2017, 10:59:13 AM
I felt bad for Obama in 2009 when John Roberts messed up causing Obama to pause during the oath.
I still think this is funny.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/media.wbur.org/wordpress/11/files/2016/04/Noth__0090898.jpg)
Post by: sg3 on January 20, 2017, 11:01:38 AM
September 11, 2001 what a great day
Fixed
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2017, 11:01:49 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2017, 11:02:58 AM
Post by: steves850 on January 20, 2017, 11:03:51 AM
Anything change yet?
They just rounded up all the Blacks, Mexicans, and Jews from my office.
Everything is developing as the Millennial, vocal-fried, women that sit down the hall from me predicted.
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 11:50:19 AM
Fixed
you are an idiot
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2017, 11:53:18 AM
Fixed
I found you on twitter:
(http://cdn.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/20/Screen-Shot-2017-01-20-at-11.17.54-AM.png?792b24)
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 11:58:05 AM
I found you on twitter:
(http://cdn.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/20/Screen-Shot-2017-01-20-at-11.17.54-AM.png?792b24)
that is beyond embarrassing, what a disgrace. what happened to "love Trumps Hate" and "when they go low, we go high"?
these people should be ashamed of themselves
Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2017, 12:00:54 PM
I found you on twitter:
(http://cdn.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/20/Screen-Shot-2017-01-20-at-11.17.54-AM.png?792b24)
Don't think it's wise for a sports writer to anger half of his readers.
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2017, 12:09:43 PM
Don't think it's wise for a sports writer to anger half of his readers.Yeah I'm sure his career will go into a nosedive.
Post by: ons on January 20, 2017, 12:14:35 PM
Don't think it's wise for a sports writer to anger half of his readers.
If we learned anything from this election cycle, I thought that it was being as divisive and over-the-top as possible generally helped one's career and popularity.
Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2017, 12:21:18 PM
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 12:22:46 PM
Yeah I'm sure his career will go into a nosedive.
no, that would only happen if he dared to criticize President Obama.
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 12:23:31 PM
If we learned anything from this election cycle, I thought that it was being as divisive and over-the-top as possible generally helped one's career and popularity.
see the approval ratings of President Obama
Post by: ons on January 20, 2017, 12:27:53 PM
see the approval ratings of President Obama
It brings a smile to my face that you can see Obama's rhetoric is more-over-the-top and divisive than that of Trump.
Post by: Pope on January 20, 2017, 12:45:12 PM
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 12:52:11 PM
It brings a smile to my face that you can see Obama's rhetoric is more-over-the-top and divisive than that of Trump.
hands up, don't shoot!
Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2017, 01:06:06 PM
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 01:20:44 PM
And the white millennial middle-class anarchists with iPhone 7s have already started to riot.
This can't be b/c "Love Trumps Hate"
we should try this when the Jets lose, we'll go out and riot and maybe they will give us wins? it might be our best hope.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2017, 01:24:35 PM
Yeah I'm sure his career will go into a nosedive.Lololol
Post by: Miamipuck on January 20, 2017, 01:28:06 PM
Fixed that for you.
The guy whose post you fixed doesn't fit 2 out of the three.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2017, 01:28:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2017, 01:35:35 PM
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 01:38:26 PM
These protests are so freaking lame. Throwing rocks at cops and burning trash in the middle of the street definitely gets your point across.
it's the thing to do now, people think they are supposed to protest/riot over everything. under the new administration hopefully our police won't be as scared to work and bring this criminals in and stop these protests. it was encouraged by the last President.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2017, 01:56:32 PM
These protests are so freaking lame. Throwing rocks at cops and burning trash in the middle of the street definitely gets your point across.
I have some extra trash that wouldn't fit in my container this week. Think they can burn some of that for me?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2017, 02:04:18 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2017, 02:13:41 PM
Trump just asked the entire room to stand and applaud for Bill/Hillary at the inaugural luncheon
They're about to see the real Donald Trump and how he conducts business. He'll continue to confuse a lot of career politicians.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 20, 2017, 02:37:34 PM
I feel bad for people like you who do nothing but complain about being discriminated against yet all you do is discriminate.
Today is a great day for ALL Americans.
Lol
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 02:43:41 PM
Lol
and as usual pee wee coach fitz is the next gannon chimes in w/ nothing.
Post by: sg3 on January 20, 2017, 03:32:00 PM
Has he been impeached or resigned to avoid being impeached as a Russian lackey yet?
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2017, 03:33:49 PM
it's the thing to do now, people think they are supposed to protest/riot over everything. under the new administration hopefully our police won't be as scared to work and bring this criminals in and stop these protests. it was encouraged by the last President.Round them up and put them in camps.
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2017, 03:34:33 PM
and as usual pee wee coach fitz is the next gannon chimes in w/ nothing.
All right ladies, I'm done with the ad hominems. This thread is enough of a shitshow as it is, time for you and sg3 to stop calling each other names.
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2017, 03:37:22 PM
and as usual pee wee coach fitz is the next gannon chimes in w/ nothing.Not his fault Fitz decided to tank the season. /junclogic
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 03:47:22 PM
All right ladies, I'm done with the ad hominems. This thread is enough of a shitshow as it is, time for you and sg3 to stop calling each other names.
how come you never stop it when folks attack me? you just have a problem when I come back at them.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 20, 2017, 03:57:59 PM
how come you never stop it when folks attack me? you just have a problem when I come back at them.
You use personal stuff about Heismanberg, are you that freaking stupid. We just call you a bundle of sticks (oh wait that is probably personal) and hope you die in a fire.
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2017, 03:58:31 PM
You use personal stuff about Heismanberg, are you that freaking stupid. We just call you a bundle of sticks (oh wait that is probably personal) and hope you die in a fire.That's basically like saying "Hi, how are you?" here.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 20, 2017, 03:59:35 PM
That's basically like saying "Hi, how are you?" here.
Very true,I don't feel welcome here until I am called a bundle of sticks.
Post by: nyjunc on January 20, 2017, 04:04:03 PM
You use personal stuff about Heismanberg, are you that freaking stupid. We just call you a bundle of sticks (oh wait that is probably personal) and hope you die in a fire.
I do? how so? here we go again, it's ok to attacl me but when I put these fools in their place then mods have something to say. whatever
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2017, 04:09:17 PM
Very true,I don't feel welcome here until I am called a bundle of sticks.Kill yourself
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2017, 04:11:09 PM
I do? how so? here we go again, it's ok to attacl me but when I put these fools in their place then mods have something to say. whateverI don't care what you do in the forum designed for this excrement. I'm bored of it happening outside of there and filling other forums with this dross.
I aimed my post at you and sg3 as you're the main culprits, but yes. Involving other posters was the "I'm done with this" moment.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 20, 2017, 04:35:46 PM
I do? how so? here we go again, it's ok to attacl me but when I put these fools in their place then mods have something to say. whatever
Shop your whining, bundle of sticks.
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 20, 2017, 05:28:53 PM
I do? how so? here we go again, it's ok to attacl me but when I put these fools in their place then mods have something to say. whatever
You're acting kinda like you think you are a special snowflake. Trump guys are supposed to be against that.
Post by: JFIF on January 20, 2017, 06:39:16 PM
Post by: JFIF on January 20, 2017, 06:41:10 PM
I do? how so? here we go again, it's ok to attacl me but when I put these fools in their place then mods have something to say. whatever
You're an internet sociopath and attention seeker. Many of us are fucked up in our own way, but none lack the self awareness you do. You're basically a physical manifestation of First Take.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 20, 2017, 08:11:20 PM
You're an internet sociopath and attention seeker. Many of us are fucked up in our own way, but none lack the self awareness you do. You're basically a physical manifestation of First Take.
Perfect post, welcome back.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 20, 2017, 08:40:10 PM
I do? how so? here we go again, it's ok to attacl me but when I put these fools in their place then mods have something to say. whatever
Trust me once you're here long enough the guys are really nice and friendly, feels like family
Post by: guinness77 on January 20, 2017, 08:49:20 PM
Trust me once you're here long enough the guys are really nice and friendly, feels like familyHahaha, every now and then dcm kills it
Post by: JFIF on January 20, 2017, 09:08:51 PM
Perfect post, welcome back.
I've been writing and roasting lately so the muscles are pumped.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 20, 2017, 09:32:02 PM
Trust me once you're here long enough the guys are really nice and friendly, feels like family
freak off, bundle of sticks
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2017, 09:44:09 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2017, 10:00:56 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 20, 2017, 10:39:30 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 20, 2017, 11:17:10 PM
So honest question. What did you guys thing of Trump's speech today?Same old Trump.
Preaching a populist message, appealing to only his voter base. Talking about how America is falling apart, with the phrase, "American carnage." He has a very dark vision of America.
However, I'm biased, because I don't believe a word he says. So much of what he's said has been proven to be complete bullshit. I don't see how people are anything but skeptical of Trump.
Post by: ons on January 21, 2017, 12:20:51 AM
So honest question. What did you guys thing of Trump's speech today?
Bizarre to think that Trump and his cabinet are to represent the struggling poor that has been suckered out of their fair share by Washington politicians. The existence of so many 'outsider' billionaires directly contradicts the central thesis of his speech.
The historical connotation behind "America First" is just still so tone-deaf. The nationalist reading of Psalm 133 was similarly funny/offputting.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2017, 12:43:55 AM
So honest question. What did you guys thing of Trump's speech today?3/10. I was able to masturbate, but it didn't feel right.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 09:53:06 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
You're an internet sociopath and attention seeker. Many of us are fucked up in our own way, but none lack the self awareness you do. You're basically a physical manifestation of First Take.
hahahahahahahaha
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 09:59:44 AM
More people are in DC for the women's march than were there for the inauguration yesterday.
People usually work on Fridays.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 10:05:55 AM
People usually work on Fridays.
I suppose that explanation does fit your narrative.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 21, 2017, 10:11:56 AM
More people are in DC for the women's march than were there for the inauguration yesterday.
Oh damn, I guess that means trump isn't president anymore
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2017, 10:15:40 AM
I suppose that explanation does fit your narrative.Who cares? I didn't vote for the guy, but who gives a excrement how many people showed up for Trump's inauguration compared to anything else?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 10:25:21 AM
Who cares? I didn't vote for the guy, but who gives a excrement how many people showed up for Trump's inauguration compared to anything else?
It's a reminder that Trump has the lowest approval rating of any president at his inauguration.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 10:26:21 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 21, 2017, 10:33:06 AM
Those who support Trump are in the minority, not the majority.
how did he win the election then?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 10:42:23 AM
how did he win the election then?
Not by winning the popular vote.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 21, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
It's a reminder that Trump has the lowest approval rating of any president at his inauguration.
Yet the democrats and Hillary still managed to find a way to lose to him. Sad!
Post by: MBGreen on January 21, 2017, 10:58:58 AM
Not by winning the popular vote.#shithappens
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2017, 11:02:02 AM
Those who support Trump are in the minority, not the majority.I'd say it's more of a statement of how polarizing and different Trump is than your typical politician. He doesn't do things the normal Washington way and it scares people because they aren't used to it. Many people either really love him or really hate him.
We'll see whether it's justified or not. I don't know if it is, but he's the president. A single March or protest won't matter either. Trump and the people in power don't care about a protest. If people are mad enough to enact change, they will have to do more to make a difference than burn some trash, break few windows does and schedule a march. I'm not a protesty kind of person though.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 11:30:39 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2017, 11:49:52 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2017, 11:50:40 AM
That's not what people are afraid of and don't underestimate the effect the president's approval rating has on his ability to put policy into action.Congress matters.
Post by: sg3 on January 21, 2017, 11:59:51 AM
how did he win the election then?2 words
Vladimir Putin
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2017, 12:01:37 PM
2 words
Vladimir Putin
2 more words
Kill yourself
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 21, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
2 words
Vladimir Putin
"First of all, I haven’t commented on WikiLeaks generally. The conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking were not conclusive as to whether WikiLeaks was witting or not in being the conduit through which we heard about the DNC e-mails that were leaked."
-Obama
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2017, 12:14:09 PM
2 more words
Kill yourself
Nicely done, young grasshopper
Post by: Pope on January 21, 2017, 12:25:54 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2017, 12:32:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XI4Thwj.png)
The most annoying thing about all of this is not Trump taking office. It's the fact that we bought him a 32" Vizio TV for Christmas and his derriere took it to his shop so they could watch soccer.
Post by: MBGreen on January 21, 2017, 12:35:57 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 21, 2017, 12:46:07 PM
that human skin lampshade really adds some flare to the decor.
It probably is human skin.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2017, 12:49:38 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 21, 2017, 12:54:09 PM
Trump will build a wall around him.
made of latino skin
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 12:56:26 PM
Also, he's not going to repeal Roe vs Wade. All Republicans want to do is not use taxpayer money to fund an organization that performs something that their constituents consider immoral. Planned Parenthood isn't going anywhere.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2017, 01:04:24 PM
What anti-women policies are Trump planning on enacting? I just don't get this protest. And when did he become anti-black? I get Muslims or Mexicans being annoyed by his comments, but if anything he's said repeatedly that he wants to help inner cities.
Also, he's not going to repeal Roe vs Wade. All Republicans want to do is not use taxpayer money to fund an organization that performs something that their constituents consider immoral. Planned Parenthood isn't going anywhere.
Supposedly that locker room quote has made Trump the anti woman candidate. It's kind of bizarre how everything Trump does gets turned into anti women
Trump wants to repeal Obamacare gets turned into "Trump wants to strip 150 million a year in women's health benefits" and excrement like that.
Yes Trump is a pig. But he's a closest liberal too. Pence on the other hand is the one who should be getting far more heat and would gladly overturn roe vs wade
Although after a quick Google search apparently Trump said some stupid comments t about appointing prolife judges who could overturn Roe vs Wade and make it a States issue. And also said we'll then women could just go to a different state if they want an abortion.
Pretty stupid stuff.
This guy has to choose his battles carefully. He should just focus on the economy, defense, spending, healthcare and immigration. And leave all these stupid nonsense excrement like abortion gay marriage and transgender talk to liberals who want to waste time on nonsense
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 01:07:00 PM
He's also said that women should be punished for getting an abortion if Roe v. Wade is repealed.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2017, 01:09:00 PM
Trump has repeatedly stated that he will appoint conservative Supreme Court justices that will move to repeal Roe v. Wade.
He's also said that women should be punished for getting an abortion if Roe v. Wade is repealed.
I somehow doubt he said they should be punished
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 01:09:28 PM
Supposedly that locker room quote has made Trump the anti woman candidate. It's kind of bizarre how everything Trump does gets turned into anti women
Trump wants to repeal Obamacare gets turned into "Trump wants to strip 150 million a year in women's health benefits" and excrement like that.
Yes Trump is a pig. But he's a closest liberal too. Pence on the other hand is the one who should be getting far more heat and would gladly overturn roe vs wade
Republicans had over 40 years to repeal Roe v Wade. I just don't get why people are afraid of it getting repealed now. Abortion isn't illegal, it's just a matter of federal funds being used for them. Same thing with the whole federal funds for embryonic stem cell research a decade ago. No one wanted to make that research illegal, only that they didn't want tax dollars used for it. Besides, the majority of Planned Parenthood is funded by donations.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 01:10:16 PM
Trump has repeatedly stated that he will appoint conservative Supreme Court justices that will move to repeal Roe v. Wade.
He's also said that women should be punished for getting an abortion if Roe v. Wade is repealed.
It was a hypothetical. If abortions were made illegal and someone had one, they'd essentially be breaking the law.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 01:12:19 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 01:13:52 PM
It was a hypothetical. If abortions were made illegal and someone had one, they'd essentially be breaking the law.
Why would someone pose that hypothetical if their intention wasn't to make abortions illegal?
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 01:15:07 PM
Why would someone pose that hypothetical if their intention wasn't to make abortions illegal?
He didn't bring that up, the reporter did. And she got her sound bite, exactly what she was aiming for. Come on, man.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 01:16:33 PM
I suppose they could also be protesting Republican policies geared to deny women contraceptives.
The want to get reelected. Many of their constituents don't want their tax dollars used to fund things like that, which is why they're against it. No one is trying to make abortion or contraceptives illegal.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 01:17:20 PM
If you're actually under the opinion that they only care about their tax dollars being spent on something they consider immoral, you're woefully mistaken.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2017, 01:26:34 PM
Republicans had over 40 years to repeal Roe v Wade. I just don't get why people are afraid of it getting repealed now. Abortion isn't illegal, it's just a matter of federal funds being used for them. Same thing with the whole federal funds for embryonic stem cell research a decade ago. No one wanted to make that research illegal, only that they didn't want tax dollars used for it. Besides, the majority of Planned Parenthood is funded by donations.
Yet Republicans always say they want to get rid of it that's why people fight over it.
Not to mention Republicans just passed some retarded freaking law somewhere, where the mother needs to pay for tbe funeral or whatever of their aborted baby.
I think abortions are a severely abused disgusting procedure. But I'd also rather the government ensure they can be paid for, instead of paying for the incarceration and or raising of the child instead.
I get that it's controversial, but it's far better than the alternative
I also think that abortion is basically a form of eugenics, eliminating undesirables from society. It's messed up but excrement, what's the alternative.
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2017, 01:27:24 PM
Republicans had over 40 years to repeal Roe v Wade. I just don't get why people are afraid of it getting repealed now. Abortion isn't illegal, it's just a matter of federal funds being used for them.
So you're saying that the people least able to deal with an unplanned pregnancy should find it hardest to get one? I don't understand that logic at all.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 01:27:30 PM
Pro-lifers want abortion to be illegal. Period. End of statement.
If you're actually under the opinion that they only care about their tax dollars being spent on something they consider immoral, you're woefully mistaken.
Of course they want it illegal. But Republicans have been hearing that for over 40 years and have never done anything about it because they can't. Best they can do to placate their constituents is ban tax dollars being used to fund abortions, and that's apparently good enough to keep getting them elected.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 01:29:53 PM
So you're saying that the people least able to deal with an unplanned pregnancy should find it hardest to get one? I don't understand that logic at all.
I'm not saying anything. That's the Republican base's position. They don't want their money used for abortions. Besides, Planned Parenthood isn't going anywhere. It's a non profit organization, so if people care so much about it then donate. Hell I'll even donate.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2017, 01:33:49 PM
Of course they want it illegal. But Republicans have been hearing that for over 40 years and have never done anything about it because they can't. Best they can do to placate their constituents is ban tax dollars being used to fund abortions, and that's apparently good enough to keep getting them elected.
The Republicans have done more than that. They require counseling, multiple visits, in certain states they have waiting periods and restrictions, and as I previously mentioned forced them to pay to bury the fetus as well.
I used to be "pro life" when I was much more neieve, but once you think about it logically there's no good reason for restrictions. Hell from an economic standpoint it's far far more beneficial to pay for the abortions instead of the alternatives
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2017, 01:34:27 PM
I'm not saying anything. That's the Republican base's position. They don't want their money used for abortions. Besides, Planned Parenthood isn't going anywhere. It's a non profit organization, so if people care so much about it then donate. Hell I'll even donate.
OK, but the removal of federal funding creates exactly that scenario. I don't want my taxes used for lots of things - faith schools, military erection stroking, corporate welfare, IVF treatments - but that's just part of being a member of society.
It is perverse to say that abortion should be legal but you have to pay for it yourself. I have more respect for, despite disagreeing vehemently with, those who want it banned completely for religious / moral reasons. They're obviously in the wrong, but at least they're consistent.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2017, 01:35:57 PM
I'm not saying anything. That's the Republican base's position. They don't want their money used for abortions. Besides, Planned Parenthood isn't going anywhere. It's a non profit organization, so if people care so much about it then donate. Hell I'll even donate.
It's about access to care, less funds means less access.
And lots of the country isn't like New York
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
OK, but the removal of federal funding creates exactly that scenario. I don't want my taxes used for lots of things - faith schools, military erection stroking, corporate welfare, IVF treatments - but that's just part of being a member of society.
It is perverse to say that abortion should be legal but you have to pay for it yourself. I have more respect for, despite disagreeing vehemently with, those who want it banned completely for religious / moral reasons. They're obviously in the wrong, but at least they're consistent.
I don't think it's perverse to say people should have to pay for it. I mean I think it's reasonable (but wrong) for people to have moral objections and not wanting to fund abortions.
But I think if abortions were properly funded it benefits everybody better
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 01:40:28 PM
OK, but the removal of federal funding creates exactly that scenario. I don't want my taxes used for lots of things - faith schools, military erection stroking, corporate welfare, IVF treatments - but that's just part of being a member of society.
It is perverse to say that abortion should be legal but you have to pay for it yourself. I have more respect for, despite disagreeing vehemently with, those who want it banned completely for religious / moral reasons. They're obviously in the wrong, but at least they're consistent.
Republican congressmen can't promise making abortion illegal, so removing federal funding is a compromise that makes their constituents happy and continue voting for them.
Let's say that the government decided to provide gay therapy centers that try and make them straight. Many liberal constituents would consider it immoral and don't want their money funding that excrement. You'll call your congressman and tell him to fight against it. They win, federal funding goes away, but those gay centers remain active.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 01:42:47 PM
It's about access to care, less funds means less access.
And lots of the country isn't like New York
I get that, it's just that I understand why the other side is against it. If I were planned parenthood I would stop offering abortions, and have another organization set up that does only that. Donations, which make up a majority of their budget anyway, would more than cover it since abortions only make up like 3pct of the care they provide.
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2017, 01:44:03 PM
Republican congressmen can't promise making abortion illegal, so removing federal funding is a compromise that makes their constituents happy and continue voting for them.
Let's say that the government decided to provide gay therapy centers that try and make them straight. Many liberal constituents would consider it immoral and don't want their money funding that excrement. You'll call your congressman and tell him to fight against it. They win, federal funding goes away, but those gay centers remain active.
Did you really just conflate abortions and conversion therapy?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 21, 2017, 01:46:39 PM
I get that, it's just that I understand why the other side is against it. If I were planned parenthood I would stop offering abortions, and have another organization set up that does only that. Donations, which make up a majority of their budget anyway, would more than cover it since abortions only make up like 3pct of the care they provide.
I understand that abortions make up a miniscule amount of their care, but them providing abortions also is a huge part of how they fundraise so much money. It basically makes it a hot topic political organization, which ensures millions of funds from the left
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 01:46:54 PM
Did you really just conflate abortions and conversion therapy?
Was trying to think of a better example, that's the first one that came to mind. But the point remains. As ridiculous and immoral as you and I think conversion therapy is, there are people who think the same about abortions.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 01:48:26 PM
I understand that abortions make up a miniscule amount of their care, but them providing abortions also is a huge part of how they fundraise so much money. It basically makes it a hot topic political organization, which ensures millions of funds from the left
The government already spends a lot of money on community centers that provide free care to women. They're all over the place.
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2017, 01:50:59 PM
Was trying to think of a better example, that's the first one that came to mind. But the point remains. As ridiculous and immoral as you and I think conversion therapy is, there are people who think the same about abortions.
OK, but the difference is that if there were lots and lots of adults who wanted to enter conversion therapy for their own physical and mental health reasons, there would be a legitimate argument for federal funding to ensure that everyone who wanted or needed it had similar access to services.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 02:05:04 PM
OK, but the difference is that if there were lots and lots of adults who wanted to enter conversion therapy for their own physical and mental health reasons, there would be a legitimate argument for federal funding to ensure that everyone who wanted or needed it had similar access to services.
Right, but then there would also be people who would be adamantly against it. Though I agree that federal funds should be used to fund abortions for the disadvantaged, I at least understand why there's a debate.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 02:08:14 PM
Post by: ons on January 21, 2017, 02:36:29 PM
What anti-women policies are Trump planning on enacting? I just don't get this protest. And when did he become anti-black?
I think the Central Park Five issue is the most damning in terms of his ideas on black people. Also inner cities, for that matter.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 04:36:49 PM
Post by: Pope on January 21, 2017, 04:51:10 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2017/01/20/donald_trump_s_new_twitter_background_is_a_photo_from_the_inauguration_of.htmlLol who cares, it's not like Donald himself was sitting there cropping the pictures
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 04:54:41 PM
Lol who cares, it's not like Donald himself was sitting there cropping the pictures
This is the world we live in now. Criticize every little thing.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 05:07:17 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 05:08:16 PM
I posted that because it's hysterical.
Well yeah it's a funny gaffe. Wasn't directed at you, but the responses on Twitter were like "come on guys."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 21, 2017, 05:53:49 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2017, 06:00:42 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 21, 2017, 06:11:42 PM
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2017, 06:27:30 PM
The more I see people post about the protests and march on social media, the more I think they don't really have a clue what they're protesting.
At least they're on equal footing with the Trump voters who didn't know what they were voting for.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 21, 2017, 07:07:01 PM
Was trying to think of a better example, that's the first one that came to mind. But the point remains. As ridiculous and immoral as you and I think conversion therapy is, there are people who think the same about abortions.
Since you're the staunchest Republican here, can you get this place some conversion therapy, you can start with Bo, Pope, MB and of course junc. You couldn't find a bigger group of faggots at George Michael's funeral.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 21, 2017, 07:09:15 PM
At least they're on equal footing with the Trump voters who didn't know what they were voting for.
Fair statement.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 07:29:20 PM
What the freak is up with his tie though. Is not stupidly long?
Funny. That's one of my big criticisms of him. I never allow my tie to go below my belt.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 07:31:14 PM
Since you're the staunchest Republican here, can you get this place some conversion therapy, you can start with Bo, Pope, MB and of course junc. You couldn't find a bigger group of faggots at George Michael's funeral.
Most of my positions align with the republicans, but I consider myself more of a Libertarian. But I hate labels.
Anyway, I don't think any form of conversion therapy can help get the bundle of sticks out of those guys.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 21, 2017, 07:42:17 PM
lets fvcking go, the donlad as leader of this country, what a time to be alive
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 21, 2017, 07:49:07 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 21, 2017, 08:12:35 PM
this will be the best 8 years in american history
Fyp
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2017, 08:46:24 PM
This is the world we live in now. Become President by lying about every little thing.
FTFY
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2017, 09:19:19 PM
It's just a world of lies. Lies, lies, lies. No matter what we're talking about, whether it matters or not. Lies, lies, lies. If the truth's inconvenient, #fakenews. Lies, lies, lies. Feather our nests, lie to the populace, lies, lies, lies. If someone tells the truth, shut down their Twitter access. Keep the lies going.
This is going to end so spectacularly badly. The world's biggest car crash is happening before our eyes. You're the wall it's driving into.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 21, 2017, 09:26:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 21, 2017, 09:26:52 PM
Time is a flat circle?
Trump is a fat liar.
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 09:27:43 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-lies-crowd-size_us_5884104ae4b0e3a735699697?
It's just a world of lies. Lies, lies, lies. No matter what we're talking about, whether it matters or not. Lies, lies, lies. If the truth's inconvenient, #fakenews. Lies, lies, lies. Feather our nests, lie to the populace, lies, lies, lies. If someone tells the truth, shut down their Twitter access. Keep the lies going.
This is going to end so spectacularly badly. The world's biggest car crash is happening before our eyes. You're the wall it's driving into.
lol
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 09:35:16 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 09:46:49 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 21, 2017, 09:49:35 PM
easily the best, most patriotic leader this country has ever seen since bill the butcher
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 21, 2017, 09:50:03 PM
Post by: ons on January 21, 2017, 10:08:38 PM
I posted that because it's hysterical.
They just kept on doubling down on lies in the press conference today. Just flat out lying to the press, and then saying the press was lying for accurately reporting simple facts.
Post by: ons on January 21, 2017, 10:16:39 PM
My pizza's dad was studying for his citizenship test with Trump's inauguration in the background.
Haha, that's amazing. My father was sworn in a couple days before the election in between chemo treatments. He had been on a green card for over 30 years but decided to apply to get in on this election cycle.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 21, 2017, 10:23:16 PM
They just kept on doubling down on lies in the press conference today. Just flat out lying to the press, and then saying the press was lying for accurately reporting simple facts.It's really quite scary how little regard they have for the truth.
Trump is the freaking president. Why does it matter how large your crowd is. Let it go. You don't have to respond to every slight you have. Obama was ripped to shreds for 8 years by half the country. Now it's Trump's turn. You can't just lash out every time you feel slighted, ESPECIALLY when you're saying the facts are wrong.
It doesn't matter how many people showed up to your inauguration. You don't have to lie about the largest crowd at the Lincoln Memorial. You don't have to lie about the crowd size at your inauguration. None of that freaking matters. People who liked Obama and don't like Trump (like myself) will use that to make fun of Trump, but it's completely meaningless. But since he's willing to lie about really dumb things like this, what's he going to do about things that really matter?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 21, 2017, 10:29:01 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 21, 2017, 10:30:31 PM
It's really quite scary how little regard they have for the truth.
Trump is the freaking president. Why does it matter how large your crowd is. Let it go. You don't have to respond to every slight you have. Obama was ripped to shreds for 8 years by half the country. Now it's Trump's turn. You can't just lash out every time you feel slighted, ESPECIALLY when you're saying the facts are wrong.
It doesn't matter how many people showed up to your inauguration. You don't have to lie about the largest crowd at the Lincoln Memorial. You don't have to lie about the crowd size at your inauguration. None of that freaking matters. People who liked Obama and don't like Trump (like myself) will use that to make fun of Trump, but it's completely meaningless. But since he's willing to lie about really dumb things like this, what's he going to do about things that really matter?
Obama complained all the time. What're you talking about? He had a feud with Fox News for years.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 21, 2017, 11:27:58 PM
We all knew how razor thin Trump's skin was before he became president so none of this should be surprising.
It's certainly not surprising, but it is scary what consequences that can eventually lead to.
Post by: Johnny English on January 22, 2017, 12:23:17 AM
Obama complained all the time. What're you talking about? He had a feud with Fox News for years.
He wasn't talking about complaining. He was talking about barefaced lies that are immediately and obviously disproven.
This is full on Orwell excrement. The fact that you're not offended by it confuses me.
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 22, 2017, 06:33:18 AM
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
It's so odd that the Trump people are eating up having the press secretary show up late as freak to throw a tantrum and leave.
Yeah. I don't care when athletes excrement on the media but this is slightly different.
Post by: Tommy on January 22, 2017, 09:06:59 AM
Yeah. I don't care when athletes excrement on the media but this is slightly different.
They way they went about it wasn't ideal, but I have no problem with the media being called on their bullshit sometimes. They used to be our only conduit to what's going on in DC, but times have changed. Now it's just panels criticizing every move and telling viewers what to think. Also, because people are relying less on the media they've become markedly more dishonest and many haven't been adhering to standard media protocols, like not publishing stories unless it's been confirmed. They've essentially become sports media at this point.
Post by: ons on January 22, 2017, 09:14:10 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2017, 09:14:49 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 22, 2017, 09:17:41 AM
Wait, what part of this particular story is media bullshit and dishonesty?
The thing about Trump taking down MLK's bust.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 22, 2017, 09:39:10 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 22, 2017, 09:40:01 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 22, 2017, 09:40:39 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 22, 2017, 10:01:53 AM
The dude ranted about the media lying about inauguration #'s and then lied about them in the same breath. Go ahead and try to make the media more accountable but don't lie if you're calling them out for lying. I'd respect the whole stunt a bit if he stayed and answered questions after. If someone who wasn't on team Trump did that it would be seen as a snowflake running away from confrontation.
I'll agree with the inauguration numbers part, but the media did start it by unfairly comparing Obama's historic 2009 inauguration in a city that's predominately African American and voted democrat, to this one. Also, we only saw one photo with the least amount of people on the lawn, so who knows when that was taken. The media was probably baiting him, and it worked.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 22, 2017, 10:02:50 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-lies-crowd-size_us_5884104ae4b0e3a735699697?
It's just a world of lies. Lies, lies, lies. No matter what we're talking about, whether it matters or not. Lies, lies, lies. If the truth's inconvenient, #fakenews. Lies, lies, lies. Feather our nests, lie to the populace, lies, lies, lies. If someone tells the truth, shut down their Twitter access. Keep the lies going.
This is going to end so spectacularly badly. The world's biggest car crash is happening before our eyes. You're the wall it's driving into.
You'd have a lot more credibility behind this if your source material wasn't Huffington Post. There's bias, and there's being an apparatus for a political party which is what they are.
He has his Press secretary lie about something. This is a freaking issue now? Josh Earnest has been doing it for 4 freaking years now. GRUBER. GRUBER. GRUBER. GRUBER. GRUBER. GRUBER. GRUBER. GRUBER. If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. And so forth.
His terribly thin skin is unbelievably alarming, but this hypocrisy is unbelievable. Obama was freaking thin skinned too. Someone who's secure doesn't send the IRS after political enemies.
Between this, and the Lewis situation last weekend his inability to avoid obvious bait is incredibly disheartening, but I also don't give a excrement and neither will anyone else if we can get an infrastructure package passed, and the replacement for the ACA is an acceptable one.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 22, 2017, 10:10:51 AM
I'll agree with the inauguration numbers part, but the media did start it by unfairly comparing Obama's historic 2009 inauguration in a city that's predominately African American and voted democrat, to this one. Also, we only saw one photo with the least amount of people on the lawn, so who knows when that was taken. The media was probably baiting him, and it worked.
It was reported that the photo was taken at noon. Whether or not you believe that is up to you, but who really cares?
Post by: Tommy on January 22, 2017, 10:13:52 AM
It was reported that the photo was taken at noon. Whether or not you believe that is up to you, but who really cares?
I don't. I knew his numbers would be lower. Wasn't a shocker. But it was obviously done by the media to bait him. Smart on them - it worked.
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 22, 2017, 10:17:08 AM
I'll agree with the inauguration numbers part, but the media did start it by unfairly comparing Obama's historic 2009 inauguration in a city that's predominately African American and voted democrat, to this one. Also, we only saw one photo with the least amount of people on the lawn, so who knows when that was taken. The media was probably baiting him, and it worked.
I don't give a freak about that picture. No matter where you get the #'s or add them up it wasn't as big as 09. He was trying to say Trump has more combined viewers and no matter where you get those #'s or add them up they don't add up that way. They would have been better off going with the very old our supporters were at work line.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2017, 10:35:11 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 22, 2017, 10:39:19 AM
Good Lord people need to Stfu about crowd size. Trump and the media both. It matters about as much as the fart I just let out.
It would have been a stupid meme for like 3 days. Streisand effect will stretch it out now.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 22, 2017, 10:49:13 AM
why do they care about how big the crowd size was and the manner in which the media portrayed said crowd size
moreover the presidential team spending so much time bitching about how the media portrayed an issue as small as crowd size is simply unpresidential to say the least. what is going on here, who the hell cares
i was full of hope for this country last night but in just over 12 hours i am now afraid that for trump this presidency is quickly turning into a dick measuring contest with past presidencies, who cares
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 22, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2017, 11:01:15 AM
i am tired of this excrement alreadyIt's both sides being stupid.
why do they care about how big the crowd size was and the manner in which the media portrayed said crowd size
moreover the presidential team spending so much time bitching about how the media portrayed an issue as small as crowd size is simply unpresidential to say the least. what is going on here, who the hell cares
i was full of hope for this country last night but in just over 12 hours i am now afraid that for trump this presidency is quickly turning into a dick measuring contest with past presidencies, who cares
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2017, 11:01:29 AM
Trump is all about self-image. That's why he's so quick to attack anyone who criticizes him.This is true.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 22, 2017, 11:04:10 AM
It's both sides being stupid.
i would expect stupidity from the media whose main aim is to attract readership and make money, but a base requirement of the office of the presidency is of course to handle such situations with more dignity. this is something that i am afraid the trump presidency will never realize.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2017, 11:55:31 AM
i would expect stupidity from the media.
You shouldn't. One of the only good things about Trump calling out the media is that they will have to tighten up on basic journalism, fact checking, etc. Media is so skewed towards ratings that they don't always take the extra time to make sure things are correct.
Trump needs to stfu too. There's nothing wrong with calling the media out, but for Christ's sake pick your battles. Let the conservative and liberal media battle stupid excrement like crowd turnout. No need to waste time on that excrement at a presser. There are bigger things to spend time on.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 22, 2017, 12:00:18 PM
You shouldn't. One of the only good things about Trump calling out the media is that they will have to tighten up on basic journalism, fact checking, etc. Media is so skewed towards ratings that they don't always take the extra time to make sure things are correct.
I agree with you regarding the media, believe me, but I feel that a Trump presidency will not fix this, it will only make it worse. He is going about this in a completely wrong manner
Post by: Tommy on January 22, 2017, 12:03:17 PM
You shouldn't. One of the only good things about Trump calling out the media is that they will have to tighten up on basic journalism, fact checking, etc. Media is so skewed towards ratings that they don't always take the extra time to make sure things are correct.
Trump needs to stfu too. There's nothing wrong with calling the media out, but for Christ's sake pick your battles. Let the conservative and liberal media battle stupid excrement like crowd turnout. No need to waste time on that excrement at a presser. There are bigger things to spend time on.
This.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2017, 12:31:15 PM
I agree with you regarding the media, believe me, but I feel that a Trump presidency will not fix this, it will only make it worse. He is going about this in a completely wrong mannerI think he's going too far the other way. That being said, what is the right way that actually works?
Not to mention, he only seems gives a excrement if crappily produced stories are against him. Then again, who would get in the way of a good lie? Whatever the liberal equivalent of Trump is would also let a bullshit story roll on if it benefitted them.
If someone said Bojanglesman has a penis that is so long that it drags the ground behind him, it's obviously not true, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to say it isn't.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 22, 2017, 02:02:07 PM
Remember most of what Obama did was executive action, so Trump can hugely influence policy with the stroke of a pen, and Obama set a precedent so Trump can go wildObama used executive action less than any president since carter.
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Post by: dcm1602 on January 22, 2017, 02:24:34 PM
Obama used executive action less than any president since carter.
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But he's used executive memorandum more than any president ever, and the first to use it more than executive orders. And at least as far as us lay people are concerned they're basically the same thing
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/20191805/?client=ms-android-verizon
Post by: Miamipuck on January 22, 2017, 02:51:57 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 22, 2017, 06:46:45 PM
It's both sides being stupid.Is it really both sides being stupid? The media compared his inauguration to the most recent President - Obama. What's stupid about that? Nobody would have cared about crowd size after the election if Trump and his team hadn't blatantly lied about it. That's the only reason the story lasted more than a day.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2017, 06:55:49 PM
Is it really both sides being stupid? The media compared his inauguration to the most recent President - Obama. What's stupid about that? Nobody would have cared about crowd size after the election if Trump and his team hadn't blatantly lied about it. That's the only reason the story lasted more than a day.Yes it is. Why is anyone comparing crowd sizes? Who cares? And yes Trump is a douche for crying about it too.
Post by: Pope on January 22, 2017, 07:50:52 PM
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2017, 07:56:33 PM
I wish people weren't so black
Post by: Pope on January 22, 2017, 08:03:58 PM
Well yea that's implied. Imagine a country with no black people.
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 22, 2017, 08:13:04 PM
Well yea that's implied. Imagine a country with no black people.
All sports besides hockey would be bad.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 22, 2017, 08:15:37 PM
Well yea that's implied. Imagine a country with no black people.Canada?
Post by: Pope on January 22, 2017, 08:19:41 PM
Canada?Very safe
Post by: Tommy on January 22, 2017, 08:23:39 PM
I wish people weren't so black and white when it comes to politics. Just seems like you're either WAY on the left/right with no reasonable discussion in between. I guess that's just the nature of a two party system.
Trump is hitler
Trump is Godking
Obama is hitler
Obama is Godking
Some things never change
Post by: Badger on January 22, 2017, 09:15:43 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on January 23, 2017, 08:22:05 AM
Post by: nyjunc on January 23, 2017, 09:10:43 AM
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Post by: Miamipuck on January 23, 2017, 11:19:48 AM
Post by: Jumbo on January 23, 2017, 11:25:42 AM
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Post by: Hemi on January 23, 2017, 11:32:49 AM
Post by: ons on January 23, 2017, 11:59:00 AM
What exactly are these women protesting anyway? Is Trump enacting Sharia law?
From what I saw, the primary issues were: protecting the rights of immigrants, particularly Muslim immigrants (although that's probably because of the immigrant population where I live); maintaining funding to Planned Parenthood; ensuring that people were aware of the unacceptability of "grab them by the hoo-ha" type of language; and enacting policies to recognize and actively combat climate change.
Post by: ons on January 23, 2017, 12:03:10 PM
The thing about Trump taking down MLK's bust.
I'm probably wrong on this, but I can't find any article actually claiming that or any story whatsover. The most I found was one journalist tweeting that it was gone, and then correcting himself 45 minutes later, and apologizing a ton.
Post by: ons on January 23, 2017, 12:04:30 PM
You'd have a lot more credibility behind this if your source material wasn't Huffington Post. There's bias, and there's being an apparatus for a political party which is what they are.
I'm still curious what unbiased news source showed that Obama was golfing instead of going to Scalia's funeral.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 23, 2017, 12:07:39 PM
This is our new WH press secretaryBased on the first press conference, he may as well be Baghdad Bob.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 23, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
What exactly are these women protesting anyway? Is Trump enacting Sharia law?Could have something to do with the president being a misogynist pig who cheated on each of his wives, with his next wife. A president who likes to brag about sexual assault. A president that does not believe in equal pay for equal work. A president that campaigned on supporting far right republicans when it comes to defunding planned parenthood and overturning Roe vs. Wade.
Or maybe just 1 million bitches were PMSing. Your guess is as good as mine.
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Post by: ons on January 23, 2017, 12:14:06 PM
Trump needs to stfu too. There's nothing wrong with calling the media out, but for Christ's sake pick your battles. Let the conservative and liberal media battle stupid excrement like crowd turnout. No need to waste time on that excrement at a presser. There are bigger things to spend time on.
The crowd turnout story was a story specifically because Trump was bragging that he might set records before the inauguration even happened: “We are going to have an unbelievable, perhaps record-setting turnout for the inauguration." And tweeted stuff like, "Let's set the all time record!"
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2017, 01:09:43 PM
https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2017/01/tpp-ttip-gone-what-threat-comes-next/
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 23, 2017, 01:12:01 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 23, 2017, 01:26:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2017, 07:40:20 PM
Baby steps Donny, baby steps.
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2017, 09:31:00 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/23/trump-names-his-inauguration-day-a-national-day-of-patriotic-devotion
Post by: sg3 on January 24, 2017, 06:32:28 AM
What a schmuck
The o/u for impeachment or resignation has dropped to less than 18 months since his "National Day of Treasonous Collusion with Russia"
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 06:43:15 AM
His insecurity never ceases to amaze.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 24, 2017, 06:56:35 AM
WowCalm down.
What a schmuck
The o/u for impeachment or resignation has dropped to less than 18 months since his "National Day of Treasonous Collusion with Russia"
Post by: MBGreen on January 24, 2017, 08:04:58 AM
Calm down.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:14:55 AM
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Post by: bojanglesman on January 24, 2017, 09:19:09 AM
Like I said, it could all go wrong fairly easily with a scandal or some other bad decision, but if he can just keep it in the road and boost that specific area of the country financially, he's sitting pretty for 2020.
This is just me speaking objectively.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 24, 2017, 09:20:50 AM
Listening to Steve King say that around 3 million votes were fraudulent. Holy freaking excrement.
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What is his definition of fraudulent?
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 09:28:46 AM
https://www.facebook.com/paul.newkirk.31/videos/1817555911846169/
Post by: dcm1602 on January 24, 2017, 09:29:21 AM
Trump may be onto something with all of this push to get specifically manufacturing/auto jobs back in the US. Not so much that it will particularly help the US in general, but if he caters to the people in these swing states (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconin, Michigan) and gives them a big enough boner with lots of jobs, businesses, and money coming back to that area, he will be almost bulletproof in the next election unless he pisses off enough people in other states to make them swing back the other way. If he can further solidify those swing states, how can a democrat beat him?
Like I said, it could all go wrong fairly easily with a scandal or some other bad decision, but if he can just keep it in the road and boost that specific area of the country financially, he's sitting pretty for 2020.
This is just me speaking objectively.
The big thing is unions
Trump has been buddy buddy with the union guys so far and there's been some commentary about his protectionist policies would be incredibly beneficial to unions.
Now I have to imagine it's unlikely that Trump turns unions into Republican voters in one term, but it's possible he could at least steal the votes from certain ones, though I don't imagine teachers being among them
Post by: dcm1602 on January 24, 2017, 09:30:03 AM
What is his definition of fraudulent?
Pretty sure this was in the context of the Whitehouse saying they would have won the popular vote if it wasn't for 3 million illegal aliens voting
Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:30:18 AM
I am totally ok if Trump renegotiates nafta. Currently, canada and mexico are playing by the same rules. That makes no sense. Like the tpp, if he choses to do agreements country by country, I will support him.
Fun fact... in recent years, the vast majority of illegal immigrants are not mexican, they are central american.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:32:22 AM
What is his definition of fraudulent?Hes trying to say that people vote multiple times by using other peoples id cards. Totally unbased crazy talk.
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Post by: dcm1602 on January 24, 2017, 09:36:22 AM
The problem is he has a hardon for nafta. The facts... since nafta the mexican economy has improved and illegal immigration has gone down every year since 1994. Trump should like that. On the other hand, in the same time we have lost 3.5 million auto sector jobs while mexico has gained 4.5 million. Its a difficult dance.
I am totally ok if Trump renegotiates nafta. Currently, canada and mexico are playing by the same rules. That makes no sense. Like the tpp, if he choses to do agreements country by country, I will support him.
Fun fact... in recent years, the vast majority of illegal immigrants are not mexican, they are central american.
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I pulled up the study that says illegal immigration decreased, it doesn't. The study says the amount of illegal immigrants in the United States is at a low, which could just as easily be caused by it being the easiest for illegals to become legal it's ever been
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 09:36:29 AM
Totally unbased crazy talk.
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Sort of like the whole "Russia gave Trump the election" bullshit?
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 09:37:53 AM
I pulled up the study that says illegal immigration decreased, it doesn't. The study says the amount of illegal immigrants in the United States is at a low, which could just as easily be caused by it being the easiest for illegals to become legal it's ever been
How do they even measure the number of illegals currently in the U.S anyway?
Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:37:59 AM
Just sayin'Stopped watching when he said there was no time reference. The original photos were time stamped. I remember because I was annoyed that it gave Obama a 15 minute advantage.
https://www.facebook.com/paul.newkirk.31/videos/1817555911846169/
Trump got the 5th largest showing. He should really happy about that. Seriously, the guy has acorn dick. Just get over it.
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Post by: dcm1602 on January 24, 2017, 09:39:49 AM
How do they even measure the number of illegals currently in the U.S anyway?
Who knows they're researchers I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they know what they're doing
Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:40:51 AM
I pulled up the study that says illegal immigration decreased, it doesn't. The study says the amount of illegal immigrants in the United States is at a low, which could just as easily be caused by it being the easiest for illegals to become legal it's ever beenI am trying to have a moderate conversation here. Did you just bash your face into the keyboard?
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Post by: dcm1602 on January 24, 2017, 09:42:48 AM
I am trying to have a moderate conversation here. Did you just bash your face into the keyboard?
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I forgot, we're not supposed to think when we read things.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:43:12 AM
How do they even measure the number of illegals currently in the U.S anyway?There are people paid alot of money to know these things. Considering both sides seem to agree on the number, I trust it.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:44:18 AM
I forgot, we're not supposed to think when we read things.I meant what you posted made no sense.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:44:57 AM
Sort of like the whole "Russia gave Trump the election" bullshit?Yes.
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Post by: dcm1602 on January 24, 2017, 09:46:50 AM
I meant what you posted made no sense.
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If someone comes here illegaly and gains citizenship they're no longer an illegal immigrant.
If the process became easier/quicker (which it has) the amount of people here illegally could decrease while illegal immigration staying the same or increasing.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:47:16 AM
I pulled up the study that says illegal immigration decreased, it doesn't. The study says the amount of illegal immigrants in the United States is at a low, which could just as easily be caused by it being the easiest for illegals to become legal it's ever beenTried to parse this again. It still makes no freaking sense.
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 09:52:31 AM
Trump may be onto something with all of this push to get specifically manufacturing/auto jobs back in the US. Not so much that it will particularly help the US in general, but if he caters to the people in these swing states (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconin, Michigan) and gives them a big enough boner with lots of jobs, businesses, and money coming back to that area, he will be almost bulletproof in the next election unless he pisses off enough people in other states to make them swing back the other way. If he can further solidify those swing states, how can a democrat beat him?
Like I said, it could all go wrong fairly easily with a scandal or some other bad decision, but if he can just keep it in the road and boost that specific area of the country financially, he's sitting pretty for 2020.
This is just me speaking objectively.
The problem with this idea is that it inherently relies on the assumption that Trump's policies will work and, if history tells us anything, it's that protectionist economic policies end up hurting workers far more than they help.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:54:38 AM
You have lost your mind. If there was some Raegan type amnesty going on in the last 10 years my wife and I missed it.
If someone comes here illegaly and gains citizenship they're no longer an illegal immigrant.
If the process became easier/quicker (which it has) the amount of people here illegally could decrease while illegal immigration staying the same or increasing.
Obama deported more people than any president in history. A part of his legacy that I am not happy with.
He did make sure that kids brought here 20 years ago, and their parents, got to stay if there were no felonies. Boo hoo.
How exactly do you think people can just come here illegally, and poof, citizen. WTF are you talking about.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 09:58:05 AM
The problem with this idea is that it inherently relies on the assumption that Trump's policies will work and, if history tells us anything, it's that protectionist economic policies end up hurting workers far more than they help.The data agrees. This is one thing I will give a chance with though. If him and his illionaires cabinet make it work, it would be interesting.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 10:11:13 AM
Just another note... I am 4th generation american. I have been married to my wife for almost 12 years. Obama gave Chile, as well as several other countries, visa waivers. I will be seeing my father in law for the first time in 10 years tomorrow.
If someone comes here illegaly and gains citizenship they're no longer an illegal immigrant.
If the process became easier/quicker (which it has) the amount of people here illegally could decrease while illegal immigration staying the same or increasing.
Dont talk about it dcm, just dont. The system is fucked and rediculously expensive. You have no clue on this one, so dont junc it, just step away.
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Post by: Johnny English on January 24, 2017, 11:03:08 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 11:39:26 AM
Trump has signed executive orders approving Keystone XL and DARP. I think it's funny that Americans are celebrating him allowing a Canadian company to legally seize American land from American landowners to build a pipeline that will cause significant risk to American people, all in order to enable Canada to sell you more oil.
His whole platform is about jobs, and the construction of these pipelines will create tens of thousands of jobs for U.S workers. The bill was initially passed by both the house and senate, even attracting many Democrats, but was vetoed by Obama on purely environmental grounds, and also pressure from Native American groups. It's what the representatives and people wanted, but Obama (within his right as President) blocked it. Trump is just doing what should've been done already.
Post by: Johnny English on January 24, 2017, 11:43:16 AM
His whole platform is about jobs, and the construction of these pipelines will create tens of thousands of jobs for U.S workers. The bill was initially passed by both the house and senate, even attracting many Democrats, but was vetoed by Obama on purely environmental grounds, and also pressure from Native American groups. It's what the representatives and people wanted, but Obama (within his right as President) blocked it. Trump is just doing what should've been done already.
I'm actually pretty ambivalent about the idea of pipelines, I absolutely recognise the job creation argument and in many ways there are sound environmental and risk arguments for pipelines (at least in isolation of the wider context). I'm also torn about Keystone XL, in that I'm glad that there will be a significant positive impact upon the Canadian economy from it but I'm concerned that it will increase production of the most environmentally egregious, lowest quality and highest production cost oil in the world.
It's also funny that he's mandating the use of American steel to produce it. Why didn't he mandate the use of American steel to build his hotels?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 24, 2017, 11:48:01 AM
I'm actually pretty ambivalent about the idea of pipelines, I absolutely recognise the job creation argument and in many ways there are sound environmental and risk arguments for pipelines (at least in isolation of the wider context). I'm also torn about Keystone XL, in that I'm glad that there will be a significant positive impact upon the Canadian economy from it but I'm concerned that it will increase production of the most environmentally egregious, lowest quality and highest production cost oil in the world.
It's also funny that he's mandating the use of American steel to produce it. Why didn't he mandate the use of American steel to build his hotels?
Probably because as CEO his responsibilities is to his shareholders. As president it's to the American people
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 11:49:25 AM
I'm actually pretty ambivalent about the idea of pipelines, I absolutely recognise the job creation argument and in many ways there are sound environmental and risk arguments for pipelines (at least in isolation of the wider context). I'm also torn about Keystone XL, in that I'm glad that there will be a significant positive impact upon the Canadian economy from it but I'm concerned that it will increase production of the most environmentally egregious, lowest quality and highest production cost oil in the world.
It's also funny that he's mandating the use of American steel to produce it. Why didn't he mandate the use of American steel to build his hotels?
Because it was cheaper to not use American steel? He was a businessman before this, acting on his and his business' interests. I think it's unfair to criticize him for taking advantage of the cheap labor and loopholes that any reasonable business owner would. Things are different now, he made a pledge to his blue collar base and intends to keep it.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 11:50:18 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 11:51:47 AM
Goodbye, Miami.
Oh no! The construction of the pipeline may potentially increase the earth's temperature 0.001 degrees in the next 100 years! Tell that to the guys who would love to help build this thing and put food on the table to feed their families.
Post by: Johnny English on January 24, 2017, 11:52:46 AM
Because it was cheaper to not use American steel? He was a businessman before this, acting on his and his business' interests. I think it's unfair to criticize him for taking advantage of the cheap labor and loopholes that any reasonable business owner would. Things are different now, he made a pledge to his blue collar base and intends to keep it.
I presume you're right, but if he's this great businessman then he must surely understand that this is going to be an overwhelmingly disastrous policy in the medium to long term? Protecting a few hundred thousand semi-skilled and manual jobs at the expense of export sales is not going to end well for the US.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 11:53:22 AM
Oh no! The construction of the pipeline may potentially increase the earth's temperature 0.001 degrees in the next 100 years! Tell that to the guys who would love to help build this thing and put food on the table to feed their families.
Where do you get your information? I'd love to know which scientific journals I should start reading.
Post by: Badger on January 24, 2017, 11:55:29 AM
How do they even measure the number of illegals currently in the U.S anyway?Goya sales
Post by: bojanglesman on January 24, 2017, 11:56:22 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 11:58:07 AM
I presume you're right, but if he's this great businessman then he must surely understand that this is going to be an overwhelmingly disastrous policy in the medium to long term? Protecting a few hundred thousand semi-skilled and manual jobs at the expense of export sales is not going to end well for the US.
Well he pledged to also open up exploration in Alaska, so that'll increase domestic production. Our net imports are already 4.71m barrels per day, 40pct of which already comes from Canada. Increased production domestically along with easier and more efficient access to Canadian exports means lower gas prices, and less reliance OPEC countries.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 11:58:59 AM
Where do you get your information? I'd love to know which scientific journals I should start reading.
Doesn't matter. They're all projections anyway.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 12:00:21 PM
Doesn't matter. They're all projections anyway.
Projections based upon decades of research conducted by scientists.
And bullshit it doesn't matter.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 12:01:10 PM
Trump did say that he understands why companies (including his) took advantage of the rules previously because it would have been financially stupid not to. He wants to change it so that it isn't financially smart to do so anymore. I don't know if he can pull it off, but I don't understand people beating him up for doing what was financially smart and legal when he isn't saying he blames them for doing it in the past. He's saying he will blame them for doing it once his "changes" are made. I don't think he can make a huge dent, but I'd love to be wrong.
Well, companies are already preparing for potential changes in regulations, so there's that.
Post by: Badger on January 24, 2017, 12:03:19 PM
His whole platform is about jobs, and the construction of these pipelines will create tens of thousands of jobs for U.S workers.
For how long?
Post by: Badger on January 24, 2017, 12:05:35 PM
Projections based upon decades of research conducted by scientists.Won't matter after they erase decades of research and replace it with alternative facts.
And bullshit it doesn't matter.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 12:10:17 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
Projections based upon decades of research conducted by scientists.
And bullshit it doesn't matter.
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Increases in average global temperatures are expected to be within the range of 0.5°F to 8.6°F by 2100, with a likely increase of at least 2.7°F for all scenarios except the one representing the most aggressive mitigation of greenhouse gas emissions.[2]
Source: https://www.epa.gov/climate-change-science/future-climate-change
I don't want to get into a whole Climate Change debate, and I do believe we should be active in reducing emissions, but how much would you sacrifice now to ensure that the earth's temperature doesn't increase by 2.7 degrees in 2100?
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 12:16:04 PM
For how long?
Whether it takes 2 years or 5 years, it's still pretty significant.
Post by: Johnny English on January 24, 2017, 12:27:53 PM
Well he pledged to also open up exploration in Alaska, so that'll increase domestic production. Our net imports are already 4.71m barrels per day, 40pct of which already comes from Canada. Increased production domestically along with easier and more efficient access to Canadian exports means lower gas prices, and less reliance OPEC countries.
So? How are you going to get the oil from Alaska to the rest of the US? No way you're going to be allowed to build a pipeline through BC.
And this isn't about oil. Protectionism makes domestic companies lazy and bloated, increases prices to the consumer and forces retaliatory trade barriers. It just doesn't make economic sense.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 24, 2017, 12:32:03 PM
Trump did say that he understands why companies (including his) took advantage of the rules previously because it would have been financially stupid not to. He wants to change it so that it isn't financially smart to do so anymore. I don't know if he can pull it off, but I don't understand people beating him up for doing what was financially smart and legal when he isn't saying he blames them for doing it in the past. He's saying he will blame them for doing it once his "changes" are made. I don't think he can make a huge dent, but I'd love to be wrong.In a perfect world, it makes sense that the guy who used all the loopholes would know the best way to fix them.
However, I'm skeptical that he actually wants to do that.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 12:34:03 PM
So? How are you going to get the oil from Alaska to the rest of the US? No way you're going to be allowed to build a pipeline through BC.
And this isn't about oil. Protectionism makes domestic companies lazy and bloated, increases prices to the consumer and forces retaliatory trade barriers. It just doesn't make economic sense.
Oil tankers exist. It's not practical to build a pipeline through BC, though I'm not an engineer.
Also, Canada already moves the oil by train, so building the pipeline will just make it safer and more efficient, as well as create jobs. Not to mention the fact that most of the unrefined oil that comes either from Canada or the Dakotas will be unrefined, and will bolster midstream production in the U.S, also adding jobs.
I't not about being protectionists. Why be beholden to OPEC and their cartel when Canada and the U.S can be energy self-sufficient. More supply means lower energy prices.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 12:36:05 PM
In a perfect world, it makes sense that the guy who used all the loopholes would know the best way to fix them.
However, I'm skeptical that he actually wants to do that.
Why do you say that? He could have just sat there and continued to take advantage of all the loopholes and continued getting rich while the middle and lower class stagnated. People act like he only became president to enact policies to benefit his real estate company. That's asinine.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 12:38:21 PM
I'm not about being protectionist.
So you're opposed to a border adjustment tax.
Post by: Johnny English on January 24, 2017, 12:42:15 PM
Oil tankers exist. It's not practical to build a pipeline through BC, though I'm not an engineer.
Also, Canada already moves the oil by train, so building the pipeline will just make it safer and more efficient, as well as create jobs. Not to mention the fact that most of the unrefined oil that comes either from Canada or the Dakotas will be unrefined, and will bolster midstream production in the U.S, also adding jobs.
I't not about being protectionists. Why be beholden to OPEC and their cartel when Canada and the U.S can be energy self-sufficient. More supply means lower energy prices.
I already said that I'm not necessarily opposed to Keystone, or at least I have conflicting views on it. I'm also aware that we move oil by train which is both carbon intensive and dangerous, as proven by Lac-Megantic.
The protectionism comes from insisting on US steel to build it. Allied to the talk we've already heard from him about tariffs, walls and renegotiated / abandoned trade deals, there's a whole heap of protectionism going on. "YEAH AMERICA WE RULE!" plays perfectly well at Rust Belt political rallies but it's not going to be so successful at the international negotiating tables. Still, I guess you can get some kind of favourable deal with May in a few years if they ever manage to figure out how to enact Article 50. They'll be desperate so you'll be able to get pretty much anything you want from them, but unfortunately they're going to have no money to actually spend on anything by that point.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 12:43:02 PM
People act like he only became president to enact policies to benefit his real estate company.
He's an egomaniac who craves attention and adulation above all else. It's not hard to figure out why he wanted to become president.
Post by: Johnny English on January 24, 2017, 12:44:20 PM
Why do you say that? He could have just sat there and continued to take advantage of all the loopholes and continued getting rich while the middle and lower class stagnated. People act like he only became president to enact policies to benefit his real estate company. That's asinine.
We know why he became president. He was in love with the idea of the exposure and the power, and he was happy to have a bunch of even more unpleasant and dangerous people drive the train for him.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 12:45:31 PM
So you're opposed to a border adjustment tax.
Alright I'll rephrase, I'm not for being entirely protectionist. I think border adjustment taxes are reasonable given the last few decades.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 12:47:23 PM
We know why he became president. He was in love with the idea of the exposure and the power, and he was happy to have a bunch of even more unpleasant and dangerous people drive the train for him.
Well before he even entertained the idea of entering politics (and I'm talking decades) he's been blasting most administrations (both Democrat and Republican) for their trade policies. I give the guy a benefit of the doubt because he didn't pull these ideas out of his derriere just to get elected.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 24, 2017, 12:52:57 PM
Goodbye, Miami.
Here's something I can get behind.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 24, 2017, 12:53:33 PM
He's an egomaniac who craves attention and adulation above all else. It's not hard to figure out why he wanted to become president.
He became President as a favor to Tommy.
Post by: Johnny English on January 24, 2017, 01:47:46 PM
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Post by: Badger on January 24, 2017, 02:32:01 PM
No idea
Fyp
Post by: Miamipuck on January 24, 2017, 02:38:29 PM
Fyp
To which post?
Post by: Badger on January 24, 2017, 02:51:57 PM
To which post?Yes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 24, 2017, 03:33:25 PM
“Two and a half packs by noon,” said Spicer. “I talked to my doctor about it, he said it’s no problem.”
What the actual freak
Post by: Miamipuck on January 24, 2017, 04:36:02 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on January 24, 2017, 05:23:39 PM
Anyone that thinks this is about jobs is out of their minds. Leave Canada's shitty oil in the ground and focus on renewable energy, where good long term jobs exist.
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Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 05:57:44 PM
The pipelines create jobs thing is a farce. Everyone knows it. 20k temp jobs with maybe a dozen permanent jobs.
Anyone that thinks this is about jobs is out of their minds. Leave Canada's shitty oil in the ground and focus on renewable energy, where good long term jobs exist.
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Source that the jobs thing is bullshit? Even temp jobs are jobs, experience, food on the table. How do you think these things get built? Contracting companies. Those are small businesses that will compete for the business.
And it's not just Canada's oil, the Dakotas are sitting on unused and unrefined resources as well. Also, these need to be refined, which will happen in U.S refineries, increasing their output and will require additional jobs.
And oil and renewable energy aren't mutually exclusive. We can have both. Oil isn't just used for fuel either. There are tons of investments in solar panel manufacturers, and you can only build so many wind turbines to provide energy. Hydro is going strong, and so is geothermal, and the biggest investors of those technologies are the oil companies that you hate so much. TransCanada was a client of mine 10 years ago, and sold them a renewable energy research service.
Sit down, and shut up.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 05:59:04 PM
Fyp
That was my point, but you're not going to build a 2,000 mile pipeline overnight.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 24, 2017, 06:21:48 PM
The pipelines create jobs thing is a farce. Everyone knows it. 20k temp jobs with maybe a dozen permanent jobs.
Anyone that thinks this is about jobs is out of their minds. Leave Canada's shitty oil in the ground and focus on renewable energy, where good long term jobs exist.
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Yeah sit down and shut up lover of the older lady.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 07:33:48 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 07:39:35 PM
Trump owns stock in the company building the Dakota Access Pipeline.
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Trump’s 2016 federal disclosure forms show he owned between $15,000 and $50,000 in stock in Texas-based Energy Transfer Partners. That’s down from between $500,000 and $1 million a year earlier.
Trump also owns between $100,000 and $250,000 in Phillips 66, which has a one-quarter share of Dakota Access.
You should know as a PM how diversified guys like Trump are, and those shares are a drop in the bucket. All members of Congress have diversified portfolios as well that include companies that are affected at least a little by public policy.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 07:47:27 PM
You should know as a PM how diversified guys like Trump are, and those shares are a drop in the bucket. All members of Congress have diversified portfolios as well that include companies that are affected at least a little by public policy.
You are so pathetic.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 07:52:12 PM
You are so pathetic.
Jesus. Both pipeline projects were approved by both houses, and if you honestly think that he only signed that executive order for his own paltry financial gain, then you haven't been paying attention and are honestly just nitpicking. You're smarter than that.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 08:01:53 PM
Jesus. Both pipeline projects were approved by both houses, and if you honestly think that he only signed that executive order for his own paltry financial gain, then you haven't been paying attention and are honestly just nitpicking. You're smarter than that.
If only as a matter of principle, the idea that Trump owns stock in a company that will benefit tremendously from a policy that he has created is greatly alarming.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 08:04:33 PM
If only as a matter of principle, the idea that Trump owns stock in a company that is going to benefit tremendously from a policy that he is responsible for is greatly alarming.
It's really not, especially considering the size of his investment. I'm sure Obama's federal 401k or whatever funds he had his family's money in contained some auto stock before the bailout, too.
Post by: Badger on January 24, 2017, 08:06:33 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 08:07:04 PM
It's really not, especially considering the size of his investment. I'm sure Obama's federal 401k or whatever funds he had his family's money in contained some auto stock before the bailout, too.
I don't care what his stake is. It could be one goddamn share. What I care about is the idea that his policy decisions could be influenced (if ever so slightly) by his private business dealings. This is why he needed to divest like every president in the history of our country.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 08:17:04 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 08:19:27 PM
I don't care what his stake is. It could be one goddamn share. What I care about is the idea that his policy decisions could be influenced (if ever so slightly) by his private business dealings. This is why he needed to divest like every president that came before him.
If he enacts policy in order to directly further his or his family's business interests, then I'd agree with you, but he was obviously advised to invest when it looked like it would be a slam dunk, then divested when Obama shut it down. But these investments aren't the reason why he signed those executive orders. To suggest otherwise is being disingenuous.
Also, Obama maintained a healthy multi-million dollar portfolio during his entire tenure in office. He didn't divest.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 08:22:12 PM
Also, Obama maintained a healthy multi-million dollar portfolio during his entire tenure in office. He didn't divest.
I don't where you got this idea but it's not true.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 08:28:41 PM
I don't where you got this idea but it's not true.
What're you talking about? They may not have exciting investments, but several million in bonds and about half a million across several vanguard funds. As far as I know he was never told to divest. Also, how far do you go? Presidential policy can affect the value of his home in Chicago and the value of his bond holdings and the rest of his investments.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 08:32:40 PM
What're you talking about? They may not have exciting investments, but several million in bonds and about half a million across several vanguard funds. As far as I know he was never told to divest. Also, how far do you go? Presidential policy can affect the value of his home in Chicago and the value of his bond holdings and the rest of his investments.
As far as Trump is concerned, severing all financial ties to his company would be a start.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 08:34:42 PM
Severing all financial ties to his company would be a start.
He's under no obligation to do so. Besides, he already said no new projects will be planned while he's in office. You're just looking for conflicts of interests that just aren't there.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 08:39:35 PM
He's under no obligation to do so. Besides, he already said no new projects will be planned while he's in office. You're just looking for conflicts of interests that just aren't there.
I'd say you were blind but that would be an excuse you don't deserve.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 08:43:51 PM
I'd say you were blind but that would be an excuse you don't deserve.
Meh. We're just on polar opposites of Trump. I like him and believe that he'll work hard to help the country. You hate him and think he'll be a disaster. We're both looking for reasons to support our beliefs. I accept that. It is what is it is.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 24, 2017, 08:49:53 PM
If he enacts policy in order to directly further his or his family's business interests, then I'd agree with you, but he was obviously advised to invest when it looked like it would be a slam dunk, then divested when Obama shut it down. But these investments aren't the reason why he signed those executive orders. To suggest otherwise is being disingenuous.
Also, Obama maintained a healthy multi-million dollar portfolio during his entire tenure in office. He didn't divest.
I just looked up Obamas portfolio while he was president, and he was frequently made fun of for almost all of his money being in treasury bills.
That said the majority of Obamas "fortune" came from book deals as a result of him getting elected president.
I think Trumps unusual position is just far more complicated. I don't know what the answer is, but this is a guy with a multi billion dollar multi national empire and legacy that consists of his entire life's work. I can understand not wanting to give it all up, but I'm not sure what he's expected to do either.
Comparing him to other presidents is also quite unfair and stupid as well.
I think him not divesting just does his enemies (Democrats) a favor, since it will make it far easier for them to create opposition to Trump and will make Trumps job much harder as well.
Let's also point out that the Clinton's were legendary for their conflicts of interest, all you have to do is Google the Clinton foundations corruption
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 08:52:20 PM
I just looked up Obamas portfolio while he was president, and he was frequently made fun of for almost all of his money being in treasury bills.
That said the majority of Obamas "fortune" came from book deals as a result of him getting elected president.
I think Trumps unusual position is just far more complicated. I don't know what the answer is, but this is a guy with a multi billion dollar multi national legacy that consists of his entire life's work. I can understand not wanting to give it all up, but I'm not sure what he's expected to do either.
Comparing him to other presidents is also quite unfair and stupid as well
I mean when you have influence over monetary policy, your bond holdings can be positively affected. But yeah of course Trump's case is vastly more complicated. I was simply countering AndrewRyan's claim that all presidents before Trump divested their holdings.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 24, 2017, 08:55:43 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 09:12:07 PM
I'm sure Andrew Ryan didn't mind Hillary Clintons pay to play scandal when she was using her position as secretary of state to sell face time to the highest bidder.
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Trump's been in office for 5 days and may make a few thousand dollars off the Dakota pipeline deal when it's all said and done, but golly gee how in the world did public servants become multimillionaires over the last 15 years?
Post by: JFIF on January 24, 2017, 09:16:15 PM
The order to build the wall was just signed. There's a part of me that says "freak Mexicans" because many of them were beyond giddy when Wet foot/dry foot was repealed, as if that's going to help their cause by resenting other hispanics. But then there's the larger part of me that realize it's a useless expenditure trafficking in fear mongering and in the end, probably isn't even that effective.
Are we guarding from 14th century Mongolian horse lords?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 24, 2017, 09:35:20 PM
I mean how many billions or trillions a year are spent on illegal drugs?
A hefty tax on drugs and you're easily looking at 30-40 billion a year minimum, and this is before even factoring in the astronomical savings from the incarcerations and fighting the war.
This would easily pay for the wall several times over in the first year alone, as well as maintaining and staffing it (although more realistic would be jacking it up with all kinda of high tech excrement)
Give the American people a vested financial reason in protecting the border, and see how fast it gets resolved
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 24, 2017, 09:43:23 PM
I was simply countering AndrewRyan's claim that all presidents before Trump divested their holdings.
Before Obama became president he sold his stock portfolio and invested all his personal assets in treasury notes with some smaller investments in mutual funds, so he did technically divest.
Post by: Tommy on January 24, 2017, 09:45:24 PM
Before Obama became president he sold his stock portfolio and invested all his personal assets in Treasury notes with some smaller investments in mutual funds, so he did technically divest.
Like I said, as president you have influence over monetary policy which affects treasury bonds. That's not divesting from potential conflicts of interests, no matter how small (as you've said).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 24, 2017, 09:52:38 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 25, 2017, 12:30:18 AM
I don't care what his stake is. It could be one goddamn share. What I care about is the idea that his policy decisions could be influenced (if ever so slightly) by his private business dealings. This is why he needed to divest like every president in the history of our country.
Thank you
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 07:53:21 AM
Thank you
Oh please. Congress and all three branches of the government have holdings in various companies that benefit from U.S policies, and no one is ever told to divest. If they hold a substantial stake, they can recuse themselves from a vote, in accordance with appropriate ethics and compliance statutes, but the idea that all politicians divest from their holdings was pulled directly out of his derriere.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 09:01:17 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on January 25, 2017, 09:26:06 AM
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Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 09:44:25 AM
Of course no other president in our lifetmes has refused to release their tax returns.
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FDR didn't release any of his returns while he was President.
As far as our lifetimes, neither did Gerald Ford.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 09:47:07 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:15:27 AM
Divesting all your assets, putting your businesses in a blind trust, and releasing tax returns are all voluntary actions. Trump isn't breaking any rules.
He's currently getting sued for violating the emoluments clause.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:21:46 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 25, 2017, 10:22:07 AM
It's a very unique situation, and I don't know what the answer would be that would be both fair and impartial. I'm not trying to defend Trump's personality or his political positions here. I think most people agree he's an poopchute.
I don't have a problem with what he's done with his businesses unless someone can think of something better that's fair.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 10:27:26 AM
He's currently getting sued for violating the emoluments clause.
And? He's being sued by a liberal NGO for violating the emoluments clause, or at least what they consider to be a violation of the emoluments clause. They're taking it upon themselves to interpret what that clause means in the constitution, something that only the Supreme Court can rule on, if this ever gets up there, which I highly doubt.
Here's the complaint: http://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/23222937/Complaint-17-458.pdf
They say that since the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (government run) and the Abu Dhabi Tourism and Cultural Authority (also government run) have offices in Trump Tower that their rent constitutes the acceptance of "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."
They also consider foreign diplomats staying at his DC hotel as a violation.
This is basically as frivilous as it gets, and will likely be thrown out by the first circuit, let alone make it to the Supreme Court. Even if it does, Trump will have majority there. He also has Congressional majority, so even if it gets raised there it'll get shot down.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 10:29:29 AM
There really hasn't been a president like Trump that had such a massive, broad investment portfolio coming into the presidency. Not to mention, his most important asset is his name itself. I'm by no means an expert, but I don't know how you could ask the guy to divest without selling everything he worked his entire life for to brand personally. It would be different if he had a bunch of stocks and bonds and some real estate that he owned where the value of said investments wasn't tied to his name as a brand. If he were to put everything in a blind trust like many suggested, they would either have to sell it all and re-invest, which wouldn't be fair to him. Otherwise it wouldn't be blind because his name is plastered all over most of his buildings. I just don't know how he could sell off his ownership of a building with his name on it without the value dropping because everyone knows he doesn't own it anymore. For some reason some people see things with his name on it as an investment. It would either be "Trump Tower" owned by Joe Blow, or "Joe Blow" tower.
It's a very unique situation, and I don't know what the answer would be that would be both fair and impartial. I'm not trying to defend Trump's personality or his political positions here. I think most people agree he's an poopchute.
I don't have a problem with what he's done with his businesses unless someone can think of something better that's fair.
People who hate him are reaching for anything to de-legitimize his presidency. It's been happening since the day he got elected.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:31:38 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:34:13 AM
People who hate him are reaching for anything to de-legitimize his presidency. It's been happening since the day he got elected.
You don't have to reach for something that's blatantly obvious.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 25, 2017, 10:34:28 AM
People who hate him are reaching for anything to de-legitimize his presidency. It's been happening since the day he got elected.
I didn't vote for the guy, but I'll judge his presidency on what he does from here on, not a bunch of stuff in the past. As a person, feel free to judge his past. I don't have to hang out with the guy or live with him for him to be my president. If he ends up being a douchebag who gets a lot of excrement done that is positive, he'll be a good president in my eyes. I'd rather have that than a nice guy who politically masturbates for 8 years.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 10:35:30 AM
There's no legal barrier between himself and his businesses. That's a problem. It means that any foreign government could invest in his hotels, his golf courses, his casinos, etc. in order to curry favor with him and influence our government's policies.
He already stated that his organization won't develop any additional projects as long as he's president. Also, I'm pretty sure his organization and their lawyers aren't dumb enough to allow his sons to sell off assets to foreign governments while Trump is in the White House. Besides, governments aren't in the business of investing in real estate anyway, unless it's a foreign fund, which I'm sure will be denied. And in the unlikely event something like that does happen, well we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 25, 2017, 10:35:51 AM
There's no legal barrier between himself and his businesses. That's a problem. It means that any foreign government could invest in his hotels, his golf courses, his casinos, etc. in order to curry favor with him and influence our government's policies.
This is a valid point. What do you think he should do?
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 10:39:46 AM
You don't have to reach for something that's blatantly obvious.
You're reaching. He wouldn't have been inaugurated otherwise.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 10:41:26 AM
This is a valid point. What do you think he should do?
Foreign Investor: "Hey, we're Saudi Arabia's Sovereign Wealth Fund, and we'd like to buy a stake in one of your hotels."
Trump Organization: "No."
Foreign Investor: "K, thanks, bye!"
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 10:43:15 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:46:37 AM
He already stated that his organization won't develop any additional projects as long as he's president.
You're suggesting that I should trust the word of a man who wants people to believe that 3-5 million votes were cast illegally in this past election. Do you see the inherent lapse in logic in that?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:49:14 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:53:26 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 10:54:49 AM
Tommy might as well be a cultist.
You're just marching to the beat of his supporters' polar opposite. Except that you're reaching for ways to validate your view that he's an illegitimate President. Not even sure why you bother posting when you can just copy and paste "No, you're wrong. Trump lies." over and over.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:56:08 AM
You're just marching to the beat of his supporters' polar opposite. Except that you're reaching for ways to validate your view that he's an illegitimate President.
Once again, you don't have to reach for something that's blatantly obvious.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:57:30 AM
Not even sure why you bother posting when you can just copy and paste "No, you're wrong. Trump lies." over and over.
You won't even acknowledge that he lies virtually every time he opens his mouth.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:01:05 AM
You won't even acknowledge that he lies virtually every time he opens his mouth.
Oh dear God a president who's bends the truth to fit their narrative. That's never happened in the history of politics.
Yeah sometimes he bends the truth, exaggerates, or says dumb excrement. It's his policies that I care about. If he wants to believe that he had the largest inauguration in history, go right ahead. I'm sure Obama will tell you that he believes he deserved that Nobel Peace prize.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:02:13 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:04:05 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:06:03 AM
Uttering blatant falsehoods with the specific intention to deceive the public is more than "bending the truth". It's an abuse of power.
You mean like how Obama and the Dems gave themselves full credit for the recovery after the credit crunch?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:06:36 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:06:53 AM
You mean like how Obama and the Dems gave themselves full credit for the recovery after the credit crunch?
That's bullshit.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:08:56 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:10:51 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:10:57 AM
That's bullshit.
Don't delude yourself. Obama's last few speeches were all "me me me me".
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:12:14 AM
Claiming that 3-5 million votes were cast illegally in an election undermines our democratic process.
So was claiming that Russia "hacked" the election in favor of Trump. As if they went into the voting machines and changed votes from Hillary to Trump.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:17:46 AM
So was claiming that Russia "hacked" the election in favor of Trump. As if they went into the voting machines and changed votes from Hillary to Trump.
First of all, the Russians did hack our election. That's been proven. Second of all, that's a false equivalency because there's no factual basis to Trump's claim.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:19:17 AM
First of all, the Russians did hack our election. That's been proven. Second of all, that's a false equivalency. There's absolutely no factual basis to Trump's claim.
No, the Russians did not "hack the election". They hacked the DNC. You're twisting the facts to fit your narrative that Trump's presidency is illegitimate. "Hi Pot! Meet Kettle!"
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
No, the Russians did not "hack the election". They hacked the DNC. You're twisting the facts to fit your narrative that Trump's presidency is illegitimate. "Hi Pot! Meet Kettle!"
They hacked the DNC with the specific intention to disseminate information that would influence the election in Trump's favor. That's not twisting the facts. Those are the facts.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:22:57 AM
They hacked the DNC with the specific intention to disseminate information that would influence the election in Trump's favor. That's not twisting the facts. Those are the facts.
That's like saying Hillary and her team "hacked the election" by obtaining that "grab her by the hoo-ha" tape. Get real. You're sensationalizing what happened, and then criticizing Trump for sensationalism at the same time.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:23:54 AM
Don't delude yourself. Obama's last few speeches were all "me me me me".
You're confusing "me" with "we".
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
That's like saying Hillary and her team "hacked the election" by obtaining that "grab her by the hoo-ha" tape. Get real. You're sensationalizing what happened, and then criticizing Trump for sensationalism at the same time.
It's not sensationalism. You're just refusing to accept the truth.
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 25, 2017, 11:25:59 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:26:38 AM
You're confusing "me" with "we.
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Obama Refers To Himself 75 Times In Farewell Address
I'm sure you were too busy masturbating to his "salute to me" 2-hour pep rally to even notice.
Post by: sg3 on January 25, 2017, 11:27:20 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:28:32 AM
I just wish I could excrement post for at least 2 hours during my workday and then still truly believe I do hard work lol.
Haha. I'm not even sure where Andrew Ryan finds the time. I bet his clients would love to know he's too busy trying to de-legitimize Trump to a stranger on the Internet while sucking Obama's dick instead of managing their money.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:29:25 AM
Is there any truth to the rumor going around that Tommy is actually Katrina Pierson, Boris Epshtyn or KellyAnne Conway?
Funny coming from an obvious troll account.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:30:05 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:31:17 AM
Haha. I'm not even sure where Andrew Ryan finds the time. I bet his clients would love to know he's too busy trying to de-legitimize Trump to a stranger on the Internet while sucking Obama's dick instead of managing their money.
freak off. I multitask.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:31:57 AM
Can we get back on the fact that the President of the United States is falsely claiming that 3-5 million votes were cast illegally in this past election in order to protect his ego?
Pretty sure that I said a few pages ago that I didn't agree with him, and think that number is nonsense. But it's what he believes, and he wants to investigate. Go right ahead.
Post by: Jetaho on January 25, 2017, 11:33:15 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 25, 2017, 11:36:26 AM
freak off. I multitask.https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-prime/201103/technology-myth-multitasking
You just lied. I'm gonna need you to go ahead and resign. K thaaaaaanks
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2017, 11:37:51 AM
So Trump wants to spend $10 billion to build his symbolic wall. Wouldn't that money be better spent on hiring more people as border guards (i.e. jobs). Oh yeah, he can't because he just froze government hiring. What about spending the $10 billion on infrastructure we all use like bridges, highways, airports etc.. You know, fix an existing problem that would benefit us all and create jobs. What about just saving the $ and working to reduce the deficit? Nah. Build a big stupid wall so that Bubba can work in the fields picking oranges instead of Pedro - Oh wait, Bubba doesn't want that job because it's too hard and doesn't pay good. Instead Bubba wants to work in the factory that already closed down, but he can't cuz it's all mechanized and he's not good with 'puters cuz he drank too much beer in high school, knocked up his girl, and can't math.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVyRwWKCtKQ
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:39:37 AM
Pretty sure that I said a few pages ago that I didn't agree with him, and think that number is nonsense. But it's what he believes, and he wants to investigate. Go right ahead.
Federal investigations cost money, Tommy. And I don't know about you but I'd rather not waste that money on chasing leprechaun gold.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:40:57 AM
So Trump wants to spend $10 billion to build his symbolic wall. Wouldn't that money be better spent on hiring more people as border guards (i.e. jobs). Oh yeah, he can't because he just froze government hiring. What about spending the $10 billion on infrastructure we all use like bridges, highways, airports etc.. You know, fix an existing problem that would benefit us all and create jobs. What about just saving the $ and working to reduce the deficit? Nah. Build a big stupid wall so that Bubba can work in the fields picking oranges instead of Pedro - Oh wait, Bubba doesn't want that job because it's too hard and doesn't pay good. Instead Bubba wants to work in the factory that already closed down, but he can't cuz it's all mechanized and he's not good with 'puters cuz he drank too much beer in high school, knocked up his girl, and can't math.
There are trillions of corporate money overseas that, once repatriated after we cut corporate taxes, will result in hundreds and billions of additional tax revenue. That money will likely be used on infrastructure, which was another one of Trump's pledges. And you need contractors to build the wall, so that'll create plenty of jobs. Also, it isn't just the wall, Trump plans on at least tripling the number of border guards.
Once the number of illegals in this country decrease, there will be a shortage of unskilled workers. And with all the additional investments made by domestic and foreign companies into the U.S due to more favorable business conditions, the skilled labor force will increase, and the cost of unskilled labor will also increase due to demand. It will all of a sudden make more economic sense for Bubba to do manual labor than sit around collecting welfare, so the amount of our tax dollars being appropriated towards mandatory spending will decrease, either freeing up more money to lower the deficit or be converted to discretionary spending on even more improvements or tax relief.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:42:17 AM
Federal investigations cost money, Tommy. And I don't know about you but I'd rather not waste that money on chasing leprechaun gold.
Well you're so certain that there wasn't any illegals voting, and calling him a liar, so wouldn't you rather know for sure?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 11:45:03 AM
Well you're so certain that there wasn't any illegals voting, and calling him a liar, so wouldn't you rather know for sure?
There have been investigations into this before and what they all found is that there's a better likelihood of you getting struck by lightning than impersonating someone at a voting booth.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 25, 2017, 11:46:21 AM
Oh please. Congress and all three branches of the government have holdings in various companies that benefit from U.S policies, and no one is ever told to divest. If they hold a substantial stake, they can recuse themselves from a vote, in accordance with appropriate ethics and compliance statutes, but the idea that all politicians divest from their holdings was pulled directly out of his derriere.
Hey OJ got away with murder let's go kill someone, what the freak kind of mentality is that? I don't give a flying freak what congressman has what, they should divest as well.
Separately, the President should divest as every other President has done except Herr Trump. Hey rules just don't apply to him. That maxim is exactly what people hated about that queynte Hillary, but your boy Trump just keeps on trucking. Doing and saying whatever the freak he wants, he doesn't give three shits about the ramifications and that's freaking scary with the brownshirts like you backing his every move.
Yes, I am equivocating him and the general political and social environment to Germany in 1933. The rhetoric, propaganda, and general can't give a freak attitude is eerily similar.
Trump can shoot someone, steal their money, say whatever the freak he wants, do whatever he wants and you would eat his excrement Tommy, enough is enough my goodness. You're the biggest sycophant I have ever seen in my life. Your junc squared that's saying something. I was willing to give him a chance, you know what, anyone that's got to defend him like that barely a week in gives me pause. freak him.......
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 11:49:03 AM
There have been investigations into this before and what they all found is that there's a better likelihood of you getting struck by lightning than impersonating someone at a voting booth.
Independent investigations, but a federal investigation would be more effective.
Hey I'm with you. I'd rather he just drop it, but whatever. I doubt it'll cost much anyway. If NGO's can afford to go around investigating then I'm sure the federal govt can manage some paper pushing.
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2017, 11:53:37 AM
That would include Steve Bannon, then.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 12:01:42 PM
Apparently one of Trump's concerns is people registered to vote in two states.
That would include Steve Bannon, then.
I saw that, pretty funny. But I don't think that's an issue unless you vote in one state and then immediately fly to the other state to vote again. I know people who I work with who are registered in their home state as well as here in New York.
Post by: Badger on January 25, 2017, 12:30:02 PM
Don't delude yourself. Obama's last few speeches were all "me me me me".Like Trump's entire campaign.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 12:31:04 PM
Like Trump's entire campaign.
I figured the irony of that statement spoke for itself.
Post by: Badger on January 25, 2017, 12:33:14 PM
It's not sensationalism. You're just refusing to accept the truth.What if another country had hacked NBC for the hoo-ha tape?
I doubt Clinton voters would object. Trump voters would have thrown a fit though.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 25, 2017, 12:34:51 PM
But he's also making excrement simple that COULD simplify immigration and the economy. If he hits on those two issues he's going to be an overall successful president and people will "accept" all the stupid excrement he says and does.
If the economy fails and or nothing happens with immigration he will get eaten alive.
It's simple as that
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 12:43:33 PM
What if another country had hacked NBC for the hoo-ha tape?
I doubt Clinton voters would object. Trump voters would have thrown a fit though.
I feel like I've made my stance pretty clear. It doesn't matter what the target or motive was. Another country interfered with our election.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 12:46:26 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 25, 2017, 12:46:45 PM
I feel like I've made my stance pretty clear. It doesn't matter what the target or motive was. Another country interfered with our election.
You've made your stance very clear.
Trump is the devil, and Obama had a huge magnificent penis
Post by: sg3 on January 25, 2017, 12:52:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVyRwWKCtKQLOL
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 12:53:48 PM
You've made your stance very clear.
Trump is the devil, and Obama had a huge magnificent penis
You're going to have to show me proof that the devil ever failed to pay his contractors.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 25, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
For all the investigations that have been done into voter fraud, it's really stupid to do another one, purely based on the whim of a pathological liar. But if they do an investigation, and it proves that voter fraud is almost nonexistent, maybe we can loosen voter right restrictions in certain states that were trying to get certain people not to vote. Something tells me that won't happen though.
Post by: Badger on January 25, 2017, 01:03:39 PM
You've made your stance very clear.What if Russia hacked his dick pics?
Trump is the devil, and Obama had a huge magnificent penis
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 01:54:48 PM
So are we only investigating places where Trump lost? Because I'm sure out of the 5 million votes that Trump says were illegal (unless he's raised the number again), all of them voted for Trump.
For all the investigations that have been done into voter fraud, it's really stupid to do another one, purely based on the whim of a pathological liar. But if they do an investigation, and it proves that voter fraud is almost nonexistent, maybe we can loosen voter right restrictions in certain states that were trying to get certain people not to vote. Something tells me that won't happen though.
Didn't Stein get the fed to do a recount and look for voter fraud in counties where he won? You didn't seem to be upset by that.
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2017, 02:18:43 PM
Didn't Stein get the fed to do a recount and look for voter fraud in counties where he won? You didn't seem to be upset by that.
No. She requested a recount and an investigation into whether voting machines had been hacked in three states, and was given a recount in one. Recounts aren't really anything to do with voter fraud and judges found no basis to allow an investigation into whether the machines were hacked.
Trump is specifically alleging voted fraud, despite the fact that he apparently doesn't understand what voter fraud is and has no evidence to support it happening.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 25, 2017, 02:22:58 PM
Didn't Stein get the fed to do a recount and look for voter fraud in counties where he won? You didn't seem to be upset by that.
I'll save you some time there's absolutely no defending Trump on this one. Even conservatives are embarrassed from Trump bringing it up. I believe Karl Rove was saying how Trump has had a surprising number of "victories" getting excrement done and fulfilling campaign promises. But thus whole voter fraud and crowd drama thst Trump is getting involved with us making him look like an idiot to the whole world
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 25, 2017, 02:37:22 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 02:40:43 PM
I'm just pissed off that Trump and his crew demanded that government agencies stop posting scientific facts on social media or speak to the media. I mean, freak the truth, right? Alt facts are the only facts.
He asked for a freeze because they started using those accounts to post politically charged stuff. And they're still doing it.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 02:42:53 PM
No. She requested a recount and an investigation into whether voting machines had been hacked in three states, and was given a recount in one. Recounts aren't really anything to do with voter fraud and judges found no basis to allow an investigation into whether the machines were hacked.
Trump is specifically alleging voted fraud, despite the fact that he apparently doesn't understand what voter fraud is and has no evidence to support it happening.
Ah that's right. I was just countering Smalls when he said that Trump is only focused on districts he lost while Stein only focused her recount efforts on counties that Hillary lost. I don't defend Trump on this one. I think it's purely an ego thing, but I'm not necessarily against a federal investigation on voter fraud, or even finding out if we can streamline the process better.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 25, 2017, 02:46:17 PM
I'm just pissed off that Trump and his crew demanded that government agencies stop posting scientific facts on social media or speak to the media. I mean, freak the truth, right? Alt facts are the only facts.
The EPA has became highly politicized and a fucked up organization.
What Trumps doing is extreme and likely over the top, but the previous regime went too far the opposite direction as well
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 25, 2017, 03:17:25 PM
He asked for a freeze because they started using those accounts to post politically charged stuff. And they're still doing it.
I didn't see anything other than verifiable scientific facts coming from the National Parks Service that was gagged yesterday. I mean, yeah, I guess they were "politically charged" if your administration's stance is that climate change is a hoax and any facts posted might be used to lead to a conclusion that mankind is a factor in such change.
And being specifically told they could no longer speak to the media? I mean, even the most dedicated Trump supporter has to take issue with the President of the United States, who solemnly promised to uphold the Constitution, telling any US citizen that they cannot speak freely to a member of the press.
Right?
Post by: Jetaho on January 25, 2017, 03:31:03 PM
There are trillions of corporate money overseas that, once repatriated after we cut corporate taxes, will result in hundreds and billions of additional tax revenue. That money will likely be used on infrastructure, which was another one of Trump's pledges. And you need contractors to build the wall, so that'll create plenty of jobs. Also, it isn't just the wall, Trump plans on at least tripling the number of border guards.
Once the number of illegals in this country decrease, there will be a shortage of unskilled workers. And with all the additional investments made by domestic and foreign companies into the U.S due to more favorable business conditions, the skilled labor force will increase, and the cost of unskilled labor will also increase due to demand. It will all of a sudden make more economic sense for Bubba to do manual labor than sit around collecting welfare, so the amount of our tax dollars being appropriated towards mandatory spending will decrease, either freeing up more money to lower the deficit or be converted to discretionary spending on even more improvements or tax relief.
Priceless - looking forward to seeing this play out. What about tunnels?
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2017, 04:59:35 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 25, 2017, 09:18:49 PM
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You would think the comparisons to Hitler and Nazi Germany would be relentless
Trump drastically changing the EPA is within his rights, the whole blackout thing is asking for trouble though, especially since that place is going to be littered with Obama diehards
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2017, 09:23:17 PM
I'm actually shocked that Trump isn't getting absolutely annihilated by the media for the whole silencing the EPA thing.
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You would think the comparisons to Hitler and Nazi Germany would be relentless
Trump drastically changing the EPA is within his rights, the whole blackout thing is asking for trouble though, especially since that place is going to be littered with Obama diehards
It's also fairly pointless when there's no sensible way of keeping them quiet in this day and age.
https://twitter.com/altUSEPA
Post by: dcm1602 on January 25, 2017, 09:26:02 PM
It's also fairly pointless when there's no sensible way of keeping them quiet in this day and age.
https://twitter.com/altUSEPA
Well I think it's more about their official stance, rather than the message
I'm pretty sure everybody (who is ever going to believe) believes in global warming st this point. So all the messages themselves are relatively meaningless
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 09:32:05 PM
I'm actually shocked that Trump isn't getting absolutely annihilated by the media for the whole silencing the EPA thing.
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You would think the comparisons to Hitler and Nazi Germany would be relentless
Trump drastically changing the EPA is within his rights, the whole blackout thing is asking for trouble though, especially since that place is going to be littered with Obama diehards
They're federal employees and Trump is their boss. When they tweet excrement that insinuates that he doesn't care about climate change or the environment then that's an attack on their chief executive. Its basically spreading propaganda against your own government. You can use your personal account to criticize the president but don't use official accounts for political purposes.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 25, 2017, 09:40:54 PM
They're federal employees and Trump is their boss. When they tweet excrement that insinuates that he doesn't care about climate change or the environment then that's an attack on their chief executive. Its basically spreading propaganda against your own government. You can use your personal account to criticize the president but don't use official accounts for political purposes.
I have no issue with telling them not to politicize and that they can use their personal accounts.
But this is a watchdog group, and Trumps essentially telling them not to function.
I know it's not the same as free speech because they're actively representing an organization, but it comes close to crossing the line.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 25, 2017, 09:45:02 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 10:01:19 PM
I have no issue with telling them not to politicize and that they can use their personal accounts.
But this is a watchdog group, and Trumps essentially telling them not to function.
I know it's not the same as free speech because they're actively representing an organization, but it comes close to crossing the line.
He never said it would be permanent, but there are obviously federal employees with negative opinions about the guy. I don't mind him asking the groups to hold off on making their opinions public. He's not putting out a gag order.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:01:47 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 10:02:23 PM
Trump reaffirmed his status as Nutcase in Chief tonight.
The interview reaffirmed why I voted for him.
Post by: Tommy on January 25, 2017, 10:04:25 PM
Priceless - looking forward to seeing this play out. What about tunnels?
I like how people think we're just gonna build a wall and walk away. Trump also doubled the size of border control agents, and that'll probably increase as well. Anything that makes it more difficult for illegals to come here will increase the price they have to pay to have someone get them through. That alone will turn many away.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:08:13 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 25, 2017, 10:11:19 PM
Post by: Jumbo on January 25, 2017, 10:13:25 PM
He said that he is in favor of torture, which is also illegal.
At least he's up front about his idiocy, Top 5 President of all time Obama never told us he'd drone strike American citizens without trial
Post by: Miamipuck on January 25, 2017, 10:15:30 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 25, 2017, 10:48:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2017, 10:54:56 PM
They're federal employees and Trump is their boss. When they tweet excrement that insinuates that he doesn't care about climate change or the environment then that's an attack on their chief executive. Its basically spreading propaganda against your own government. You can use your personal account to criticize the president but don't use official accounts for political purposes.
Nope. Here we have the nub of the problem. This is not America, Inc and President does not equate to CEO. Wal-Mart's customers do not get to decide who runs the company and the company exists to serve the shareholders, not the customers. This is the exact inverse of how a government works.
The belief that a government is analogous to a corporation is everything that's wrong with modern politics and if you vote based on that principle then you deserve to get royally fucked.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 25, 2017, 10:58:48 PM
Trump playin chess
Post by: sg3 on January 26, 2017, 05:21:28 AM
There are now non official "alt" sites for pretty much all the government ones that "President" Shitler and his Gestapo have ordered silenced
And since you can't call his White House fuhrer bunker anymore there are plenty of his bedbug nest hotels in NY, DC, FL etc where you can call, tie up the switchboard and annoy his lackeys.
Sorry Butthole, but Americans are not nearly as stupid as you are
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 07:10:29 AM
He said that he is in favor of torture, which is also illegal. Not to mention ineffective, based on numerous studies.
He said that he believes it works based on some people within the intelligence community that he's spoken to, but also said that he'll defer to Mattis and Pompaeo about those things.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 07:11:57 AM
He said that he believes it works based on the voices in his head
For accuracy.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 07:17:08 AM
Nope. Here we have the nub of the problem. This is not America, Inc and President does not equate to CEO. Wal-Mart's customers do not get to decide who runs the company and the company exists to serve the shareholders, not the customers. This is the exact inverse of how a government works.
The belief that a government is analogous to a corporation is everything that's wrong with modern politics and if you vote based on that principle then you deserve to get royally fucked.
That wasn't what I was saying, but these agencies are there to serve the people, not to be used as a vehicle for one of its members to voice their political opinion. They're not elected representatives, they're private citizens doing a job. A federal job. Had Hillary won and some conservative got a hold of these accounts and wrote anti Hillary remarks you'd be singing a different tune.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 07:17:28 AM
For accuracy.
How mature.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 07:19:03 AM
Trump reiterated his position that we should have seized a foreign country's oil after invading them based on a false premise. That is illegal and that is insane.
Yeah wasn't sure why he put that way, but his whole point was that we spent trillions of dollars on a war and didn't get much out of it.
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2017, 08:06:05 AM
He never said it would be permanent, but there are obviously federal employees with negative opinions about the guy. I don't mind him asking the groups to hold off on making their opinions public. He's not putting out a gag order.Scientific facts are not opinions.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 08:06:18 AM
That wasn't what I was saying, but these agencies are there to serve the people, not to be used as a vehicle for one of its members to voice their political opinion. They're not elected representatives, they're private citizens doing a job. A federal job. Had Hillary won and some conservative got a hold of these accounts and wrote anti Hillary remarks you'd be singing a different tune.
Which anti-Trump remarks are you talking about? Climate change facts aren't anti-Trump, no matter how politically inconvenient they might be to him.
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2017, 08:08:56 AM
That wasn't what I was saying, but these agencies are there to serve the people, not to be used as a vehicle for one of its members to voice their political opinion. They're not elected representatives, they're private citizens doing a job. A federal job. Had Hillary won and some conservative got a hold of these accounts and wrote anti Hillary remarks you'd be singing a different tune.
Disseminating truth is serving the people.
Post by: ons on January 26, 2017, 08:14:01 AM
Trump reiterated his position that we should have seized a foreign country's oil after invading them based on a false premise. That is illegal and that is insane.
Trump not only said that, but indicated that he wanted "another chance" to get at Iraq's oil. Just doubling down on the already absurd rhetoric from his campaign.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 08:46:53 AM
Which anti-Trump remarks are you talking about? Climate change facts aren't anti-Trump, no matter how politically inconvenient they might be to him.
Well one posted a picturing comparing the crowd sizes of the two inaugurations. The climate change one wasn't necessarily anti-Trump, but considering 99.9% of their tweets until then have been just pictures of their park and some updates, it was clearly politically motivated, perhaps they felt that Trump was ignoring climate change and wanted to send a message. Again, those accounts aren't for that purpose. Trump simply ordered a freeze on tweets and speaking to the press to find out who among these federal employees are using federal accounts for political purposes.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 08:56:33 AM
Scientific facts are not opinions.
I 100% think climate change is real and a problem
I also think those problems have become overstated and exaggerated, especially by organizations like the EPA which became highly politicized under Obama.
A no nonsense approach where we could state climate change is real and a problem and we need to develop alternative fuels. But we need to still use fossil fuels for now
I don't see how something like that would be unreasonable but neither side can do that
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 09:08:52 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 09:14:49 AM
Mexico will back down.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 09:17:05 AM
About to be a showdown between Trump and the President of Mexico. Trump just said that if Mexico doesn't want to pay for the wall then their president shouldn't bother coming to the white house for an official visit.
Mexico will back down.
Goddammit I better still be able to get chips and salsa at my local mexican joint. They'll probably spit in it.
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2017, 09:19:00 AM
About to be a showdown between Trump and the President of Mexico. Trump just said that if Mexico doesn't want to pay for the wall then their president shouldn't bother coming to the white house for an official visit.
Mexico will back down.
Trump is determined to ruin every relationship the USA has built over the last 100 years.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 09:29:56 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 09:38:06 AM
Trump is determined to ruin every relationship the USA has built over the last 100 years.
Or remind them which country is boss.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 09:39:39 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-climatechange-idUSKBN15906G
Still there: https://www.epa.gov/climatechange
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2017, 09:42:17 AM
Or remind them which country is boss.
freak off with that horseshit.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 09:43:30 AM
freak off with that horseshit.
Do you deny it?
Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 09:44:49 AM
But we need to still use fossil fuels for now
Yes we need to use fossil fuels now, but that is only because the infrastructure hasn't been implemented to use renewables at large scale. Trump doesn't want to invest that infrastructure because it hurts his oil buddies, and secretary of state. Most developed and even underdeveloped nations are working towards this, and we're over here building pipelines.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 09:50:11 AM
Or remind them which country is boss.
Whenever a country has attempted to assert its dominance over the rest of the world, things haven't ended well for that country.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 09:51:25 AM
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http://trumpgenerator.com/tweet/?hgkdohjbkakmoowedikc
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Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 09:52:13 AM
Yes we need to use fossil fuels now, but that is only because the infrastructure hasn't been implemented to use renewables at large scale. Trump doesn't want to invest that infrastructure because it hurts his oil buddies, and secretary of state. Most developed and even underdeveloped nations are working towards this, and we're over here building pipelines.
This is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever read. The largest investors of renewable energy are... Dun dun dun... Energy companies, which include those "oil buddies". Also, you need fuel and lubricants from oil sources to build any type of renewable plant. Exxon itself makes a lot of money selling those products to renewable energy developers and equipment manufacturers, so don't fall into the talking point of "oil companies are afraid of renewables" bullshit. Oil and renewables aren't mutually exclusive.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 09:53:11 AM
Whenever a country has attempted to assert its dominance over the rest of the world, things haven't ended well for that country.
Our dominance is understood and a matter of fact. It's just that our previous administration was too hoo-ha to take advantage of it.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 09:54:44 AM
Our dominance is understood and a matter of fact. It's just that our previous administration was too hoo-ha to take advantage of it.
Okay, Hitler.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 09:55:11 AM
Okay, Hitler.
Another mature comment. You're on a roll, bud.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 09:55:49 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 09:57:19 AM
Another mature comment. You're on a roll, bud.
Becaus you're such a beacon of maturity...
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 09:57:36 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 09:58:41 AM
Becaus you're such a beacon of maturity...
Haven't made any ridiculous comments or insulted anyone in this thread just for disagreeing with me. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you can't keep it civil just because I'm on the opposite end of the aisle and you think that you're right and I'm wrong, well then maybe you should just give up.
Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 10:03:18 AM
This is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever read. The largest investors of renewable energy are... Dun dun dun... Energy companies, which include those "oil buddies". Also, you need fuel and lubricants from oil sources to build any type of renewable plant. Exxon itself makes a lot of money selling those products to renewable energy developers and equipment manufacturers, so don't fall into the talking point of "oil companies are afraid of renewables" bullshit. Oil and renewables aren't mutually exclusive.
LMAO energy companies invest in renewables to hedge their bets on the market, not because its ever going to be a major revenue driver for their business.
- The average American spends $2k a year on gas.
- The average American spends $1,320 on electricity per year (10,812 kilowatthours per year at $0.12 per kwH)
- There are 300 Million people in America. For numbers sake lets just round that number down to 100 Million.
You don't think the oil industry is concerned about losing $3,320,000,000 each year?
Go Freak Yourself!
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:05:00 AM
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That Trump Generator is great. Having a lot of fun in the office.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 10:07:41 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 10:10:15 AM
Haven't made any ridiculous comments or insulted anyone in this thread just for disagreeing with me. You're entitled to your opinion, but if you can't keep it civil just because I'm on the opposite end of the aisle and you think that you're right and I'm wrong, well then maybe you should just give up.
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Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:13:51 AM
LMAO energy companies invest in renewables to hedge their bets on the market, not because its ever going to be a major revenue driver for their business.
- The average American spends $2k a year on gas.
- The average American spends $1,320 on electricity per year (10,812 kilowatthours per year at $0.12 per kwH)
- There are 300 Million people in America. For numbers sake lets just round that number down to 100 Million.
You don't think the oil industry is concerned about losing $3,320,000,000 each year?
Go Freak Yourself!
You do realize that there are different sources of energy, right? Petroleum isn't even used for energy. 1/3 from coal, 1/3 from natural gas, 20% from nuclear, 13% from renewables.
Yeah, 45% of a barrel of oil is used to refine gasoline, but the rest is for things like jet fuel and other products. You're not going to run a jetliner on batteries, but the increase in electric cars will simply just drive the cost of oil down, forcing oil companies to invest in other ventures, such as renewables and maybe even storage.
You don't need the government to get involved.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 10:15:45 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:16:38 AM
Tommy, you are a clown and the fact that you don't realize it makes it all the more hysterical.
Most of your posts have just been one-liner insults of either myself or Trump. You're the clown, buddy.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 10:22:57 AM
LMAO energy companies invest in renewables to hedge their bets on the market, not because its ever going to be a major revenue driver for their business.
- The average American spends $2k a year on gas.
- The average American spends $1,320 on electricity per year (10,812 kilowatthours per year at $0.12 per kwH)
- There are 300 Million people in America. For numbers sake lets just round that number down to 100 Million.
You don't think the oil industry is concerned about losing $3,320,000,000 each year?
Go Freak Yourself!
You don't think these companies know how to drive up prices and add all sorts of fees and excrement?
This is a non issue and poor example
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 10:23:59 AM
Most of your posts have just been one-liner insults of either myself or Trump. You're the clown, buddy.
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Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 10:24:40 AM
You're not going to run a jetliner on batteries, but the increase in electric cars will simply just drive the cost of oil down, forcing oil companies to invest in other ventures, such as renewables and maybe even storage.
You don't need the government to get involved.
You are so naive. A public company's 1 and only purpose is to make money.
Option A: Invest $1 billion in new infrastructure and technology to convert oil plants into solar cell and wind turbine manufacturing
Option B: Spend $100 million in lobbying to get the Dakota and Keystone pipeline reapproved. And drop regulations on carbon emissions.
Hmm.....
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2017, 10:26:10 AM
Another mature comment. You're on a roll, bud.
No, AR is right.
I was neutral in this discussion until that "durrr the country needs to show other countries who's boss" bullshit.
People who believe that deserve to get their poop pushed in.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 10:27:02 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:27:15 AM
You are so naive. A public company's 1 and only purpose is to make money.
Option A: Invest $1 billion in new infrastructure and technology to convert oil plants into solar cell and wind turbine manufacturing
Option B: Spend $100 million in lobbying to get the Dakota and Keystone pipeline reapproved. And drop regulations on carbon emissions.
Hmm.....
I already told you that oil isn't used for energy. Why would they convert their refineries? The world will still need oil even if renewables replace coal as the largest source of energy. And these companies have been investing in renewables for years, but they're taking a long term approach. Why give up on natural gas when it's still a much cheaper form of energy than any renewable technology.
Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 10:27:17 AM
You don't think these companies know how to drive up prices and add all sorts of fees and excrement?
This is a non issue and poor example
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Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 10:28:11 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:28:27 AM
This isn't going to end well:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/
Good. Trump and Rex can now bring in their own people.
Post by: Pope on January 26, 2017, 10:29:03 AM
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 10:29:04 AM
Good. Trump and Rex can now bring in their own people.
You didn't actually read the article again, did you?
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:31:55 AM
You didn't actually read the article again, did you?
Four people resigned. Four. This isn't a "mass exodus".
Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 10:33:17 AM
Why give up on natural gas when it's still a much cheaper form of energy than any renewable technology.
Well for one fracking is killing the environment.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Oklahoma_3.0_earthquake_bar_graph_since_1978.png)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 10:36:03 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 10:37:10 AM
This isn't going to end well:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/
Considering most of those people served under John Kerry for the majority or entirety of their careers, them not liking Trump isn't a surprise.
Even Patrick Kennedy is a lifelong Democrat, who had served with Bush less than one year
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:37:43 AM
Well for one fracking is killing the environment.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Oklahoma_3.0_earthquake_bar_graph_since_1978.png)
Um. Hydraulic fracking is only one method of extracting natural gas.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:38:49 AM
Considering most of those people served under John Kerry for the majority or entirety of their careers, them not liking Trump isn't a surprise.
Even Patrick Kennedy is a lifelong Democrat, who had served with Bush less than one year
They were likely going to be replaced anyway. Resigning before being replaced just to save face I guess, make it look like it was their decision.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:40:34 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 10:40:56 AM
They were likely going to be replaced anyway. Resigning before being replaced just to save face I guess, make it look like it was their decision.
Well the article says they usually stay around a little to smooth out the transition, but it also mentions it doesn't know if they left of their own accord or if they were pushed out by the new administration
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 10:42:54 AM
Then again I don't know anything about governmental transitions, so who knows if the adjustment period is overblown, if there are others remaining that can help just as much with the transition, etc. Now I want some fries.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
The issue with these State Department guys leaving isn't that they are leaving, it's that there won't be a transition for a job that apparently needs a transition period. It's akin to hiring me as a manager at McDonald's, then showing up for my first day with no one there to tell me anything or show me how to do anything. My fat derriere is just gonna hang out and eat fries till I get fired.
It reflects poorly on them to be honest. I'm sure they saw the writing on the wall that they will eventually be replaced, but even if you don't agree with the current administration, not giving a "two week notice" is in poor taste, especially since they probably did it to send some sort of message. Maybe curry the favor of some democrats.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:47:18 AM
The issue with these State Department guys leaving isn't that they are leaving, it's that there won't be a transition for a job that apparently needs a transition period. It's akin to hiring me as a manager at McDonald's, then showing up for my first day with no one there to tell me anything or show me how to do anything. My fat derriere is just gonna hang out and eat fries till I get fired.
Then again I don't know anything about governmental transitions, so who knows if the adjustment period is overblown, if there are others remaning that can help just as much with the transition, etc.
Also these were senior people, so it's not like our embassies are being emptied. It's four senior people. I'm sure the state department will run fine while replacements are made. I'm sure a guy like Rex already had a few people in mind anyway, now they just have to speed up the process.
Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 10:49:38 AM
Um. Hydraulic fracking is only one method of extracting natural gas.
It's the most "effective one" which is why companies prefer it.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:52:45 AM
It's the most "effective one" which is why companies prefer it.
Yeah but you can't lump all fracking activities together. It's been around for a long time, and those earthquakes were an anomaly. I'm fine with regulations on fracking exploration near cities, but a lot of it is done in the ocean. Being against fracking in general is just dumb.
Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 10:53:59 AM
I'm fine with regulating fracking on land, but most of it is done in the sea.
False. Alot of it is done on land but in unpopulated cities because of how dangerous it is.
Have fun with this
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1NHXL_enUS718US718&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=explosions+due+to+fracking (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1NHXL_enUS718US718&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=explosions+due+to+fracking)
Shall we continue to invest money in extracting gas from the ground that causes thousands of explosions per year which also releases methane into the air, and causes explosions.
Or should we invest in new energy forms which are, self sustaining, clean, safe, and will create new jobs in multiple fields, including blue collar.
Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 10:56:03 AM
Yeah but you can't lump all fracking activities together. It's been around for a long time, and those earthquakes were an anomaly. I'm fine with regulations on fracking exploration near cities, but a lot of it is done in the ocean. Being against fracking in general is just dumb.
An anomaly? An anomaly is going to a bar in Boston and finding 5 Jets fans. An anomaly is not an increase of earthquakes by 50,000% after fracking started in that state
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
An anomaly? An anomaly is going to a bar in Boston and finding 5 Jets fans. An anomaly is not an increase of earthquakes by 50,000% after fracking started in that state
Considering it hasn't happened in the last 60 year history of hydraulic fracking, I'd consider it an anomaly.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 26, 2017, 10:59:27 AM
False. Alot of it is done on land but in unpopulated cities because of how dangerous it is.
Have fun with this
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1NHXL_enUS718US718&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=explosions+due+to+fracking (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1NHXL_enUS718US718&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=explosions+due+to+fracking)
Shall we continue to invest money in extracting gas from the ground that causes thousands of explosions per year which also releases methane into the air, and causes explosions.
Or should we invest in new energy forms which are, self sustaining, clean, safe, and will create new jobs in multiple fields, including blue collar.
The banana is Der Fuhrer and all you ever get when discussing his asinine policies and how he's making Murica "great"again. Basically the blind leading
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 11:00:21 AM
Considering it hasn't happened in the last 60 year history of hydraulic fracking, I'd consider it an anomaly.
You don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 11:01:24 AM
You don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about.
Are you using some nonsense comment generator for your responses? You've said nothing of substance.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 11:02:31 AM
Are you using some nonsense comment generator for your responses? You've said nothing of substance.
You don't listen when I relay to you facts so why should I bother?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 11:05:44 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 11:08:38 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 11:08:43 AM
money.cnn.com/2016/09/03/news/economy/oklahoma-earthquake-fracking-oil/ (http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/03/news/economy/oklahoma-earthquake-fracking-oil/)
I never said I was against imposing regulations on fracking, especially if it poses risks like these.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 11:11:49 AM
I never said I was against imposing regulations on fracking, especially if it poses risks like these.
You claimed that the earthquakes are an anomaly which is false.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 11:12:22 AM
I don't know how you can call something with an identifiable cause an "anomaly".
Because fracking has been a method of extraction for decades, and we've only started seeing these earthquakes recently when we expanded into certain areas.
Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 11:13:06 AM
Because fracking has been a method of extraction for decades, and we've only started seeing these earthquakes recently when we expanded into certain areas.
Yes the effects of fracking weren't as noticeable 60 years ago as they are now, because the process and output are completely different.
Back in the 30's a typical haul from fracking would be 750 gallons of fluid and 400lbs of sand
The new technology and chemicals we are pumping into the ground can max out at
8 million gallons of fluid and 320,000 lbs of sand.
Adding injury to insult over the past 15 years fracking has gone from 7% of our produced gas to 67% of our produced gas. So not only is it more damaging its being done more often.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 11:14:40 AM
I don't know how you can call something with an identifiable cause an "anomaly".
Because to a fully paid up Trumpanzee, science and facts that are politically inconvenient are either fake or anomalous.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 11:15:09 AM
Oh, look. Mexico didn't back down.
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2017, 11:15:51 AM
You claimed that the earthquakes are an anomaly which is false.It's an alternative fact.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 11:17:16 AM
Yes the effects of fracking weren't as noticeable 60 years ago as they are now, because the process and output are completely different.
Back in the 30's a typical haul from fracking would be 750 gallons of fluid and 400lbs of sand
The new technology and chemicals we are pumping into the ground can max out at
8 million gallons of fluid and 320,000 lbs of sand.
Adding injury to insult over the past 15 years fracking has gone from 7% of our produced gas to 67% of our produced gas. So not only is it more damaging its being done more often.
Okay, I get all that, but 33% of our current energy consumption is via natural gas. Unless you want energy prices to skyrocket, we'll have to look at the fracking carefully and then decide on policies, or maybe a winding down on land fracking if these earthquakes continue. I'm not against that. But you can't just "ban fracking".
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 11:18:39 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/world/mexicos-president-cancels-meeting-with-trump-over-wall.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
Oh, look. Mexico didn't back down.
That was expected. I'm sure the majority of business leaders in Mexico are on the phone to Pena screaming at him. We hold all the leverage here. Mexico has none. He'll bow to internal pressure I'm sure.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 11:22:02 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 26, 2017, 11:22:21 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/trump-bernhard-langer-voting-fraud.html?_r=0
I hate dwelling on the stories with zero grains of truth in them (like this one), but if our President is going to invest time and resources into chasing bullshit conspiracy theories, the least we can do is call him out on his bullshit.
Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 11:22:55 AM
Okay, I get all that, but 33% of our current energy consumption is via natural gas. Unless you want energy prices to skyrocket, we'll have to look at the fracking carefully and then decide on policies, or maybe a winding down on land fracking if these earthquakes continue. I'm not against that. But you can't just "ban fracking".
...Slowly backs away
No one ever said anything about banning fracking around the country from this day forward. It's about regulating it and investing in infrastructure and technology that can get us away from fracking, burning fossil fuels, etc. The tech is out there and its becoming dirt cheap. Solar cells are so cheap to produce right now investors are worried the companies that cell them won't be able to return a big profit because competition is going to lower the price so dramatically.
Renewables are our future so why is our government spending basically nothing on developing the tech and infrastructure to put it into place...
I have to check the numbers again but I believe China invested 7x the amount we invested last year into renewables. They are seeing how deadly this stuff is with the smog in their city and taking action. We shouldn't be reactionary to this we need to be proactive. For our people and for the economy.
Post by: ons on January 26, 2017, 11:25:10 AM
I never said I was against imposing regulations on fracking, especially if it poses risks like these.
The real issue is that fracking and wastewater management regulations are continually behind the issues that they cause. The reason fracking endured for decades without these types of issues is that horizontal fracking has only recently been developed, and is the type that's being used in Oklahoma, Alberta, and would be used to get to the Marcelus Shale in Pennsylvania and New York. And it wasn't appropriately tested or regulated before widespread usage. Being against fracking means being against horizontal fracking, which leads to the type of wastewater management that causes earthquakes, and has been tied to widespread drinking water contamination issues.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 26, 2017, 11:26:20 AM
I'm with Tommy and DCM in terms of things like "Stop saying let's kill big oil today!" Yes, we need to invest in renewable resources (and that's happening both in the public and private sectors). In the meantime, no one wants to stop driving their cars until they all come equipped with batteries that will get them more than 100 miles on a charge, and no one wants to go back to paying 5+ bucks a gallon either.
Fracking might be dangerous. The research is still young so Tommy is "right" in that it can still be viewed as "an anomaly." The problem is: the Federal branch of our government literally told the EPA that all information they acquire going forward must now be cleared with them before dissemination to the public.
Scientific evidence must now be "vettted" by the State Department before becoming available to the American public. No matter which side of the aisle you sit on, think about that for a minute. Factual evidence must be cleared for dissemination by a branch of government that may or may not have any functional knowledge of the subject matter.
I am 100% in agreement with Tommy that using a government-sanctioned social media account to make any political statement is wrong. Personal opinions have no place coming from an official capacity. But to tell government agencies to not disseminate factual evidence regardless of its socio-political effect? You can't genuinely believe that's okay.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 26, 2017, 11:30:23 AM
Yeah wasn't sure why he put that way, but his whole point was that we spent trillions of dollars on a war and didn't get much out of it.You understand that sacking a sovereign countries resources is an international war crime, right? Please tell me you at least know that.
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Post by: Badger on January 26, 2017, 11:34:44 AM
The real issue is that fracking and wastewater management regulations are continually behind the issues that they cause. The reason fracking endured for decades without these types of issues is that horizontal fracking has only recently been developed, and is the type that's being used in Oklahoma, Alberta, and would be used to get to the Marcelus Shale in Pennsylvania and New York. And it wasn't appropriately tested or regulated before widespread usage. Being against fracking means being against horizontal fracking, which leads to the type of wastewater management that causes earthquakes, and has been tied to widespread drinking water contamination issues.Does Marcellus Shale look like a bitch?
Then why you tryin' to frack him like a bitch?
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 11:36:25 AM
Trump thinks there is widespread voter fraud because Bernhard Langer may have told him a story that he was maybe turned away from the polls while other people "who did not look as if they should have been allowed to vote" were allowed to vote, even though Langer isn't even an American citizen, and therefore not allowed to vote anyway. Or maybe a friend of a friend told Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/trump-bernhard-langer-voting-fraud.html?_r=0
I hate dwelling on the stories with zero grains of truth in them (like this one), but if our President is going to invest time and resources into chasing bullshit conspiracy theories, the least we can do is call him out on his bullshit.
Renewables are our future so why is our government spending basically nothing on developing the tech and infrastructure to put it into place...
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Why should the government get involved when the private sector has been investing in renewable energy for years. I know because I actually sold to wind farm developers, solar panel manufactures, and large energy companies who see renewable energy as part of their future as well as the country's energy future. What do you want the government to do? More subsidies? Build infrastructure? What infrastructure are you referring to?
This is what I hate about the whole renewable energy argument. It's already a growing energy source in this country, as I mentioned it accounts for 13% of our energy production and growing. We'll get there eventually, but all the government can really do is provide incentives, and they've already been doing that.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 11:37:58 AM
You understand that sacking a sovereign countries resources is an international war crime, right? Please tell me you at least know that.
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Alright, first of all you can't just "take oil", second Iraq can't eat oil, they have to sell it. We get almost zero of our oil from Iraq. Some sort of deal should have been struck back then, but whatever. It's over now.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 11:40:16 AM
This thread is a microcosm of the entire American public today and is exactly why we're here to begin with.
I'm with Tommy and DCM in terms of things like "Stop saying let's kill big oil today!" Yes, we need to invest in renewable resources (and that's happening both in the public and private sectors). In the meantime, no one wants to stop driving their cars until they all come equipped with batteries that will get them more than 100 miles on a charge, and no one wants to go back to paying 5+ bucks a gallon either.
Fracking might be dangerous. The research is still young so Tommy is "right" in that it can still be viewed as "an anomaly." The problem is: the Federal branch of our government literally told the EPA that all information they acquire going forward must now be cleared with them before dissemination to the public.
Scientific evidence must now be "vettted" by the State Department before becoming available to the American public. No matter which side of the aisle you sit on, think about that for a minute. Factual evidence must be cleared for dissemination by a branch of government that may or may not have any functional knowledge of the subject matter.
I am 100% in agreement with Tommy that using a government-sanctioned social media account to make any political statement is wrong. Personal opinions have no place coming from an official capacity. But to tell government agencies to not disseminate factual evidence regardless of its socio-political effect? You can't genuinely believe that's okay.
Pretty much. People need to slow down. Renewable energy has been growing for years, and the more profitable it becomes, the more private sector money will rush into it. It's like people want the country run 100% on renewables TODAY.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 26, 2017, 11:50:37 AM
Alright, first of all you can't just "take oil", second Iraq can't eat oil, they have to sell it. We get almost zero of our oil from Iraq. Some sort of deal should have been struck back then, but whatever. It's over now.No. Your guy said we should have taken the oil. His words, not mine. Nothing about making a deal. He litterally wanted us to hijack their oil. Amazingly he doubled down on that the other day.
Spin away.
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 11:51:42 AM
Great. Fanning the flames of xenophobia. That's exactly what this country needs right now to restore unity...
Post by: Fenwyr on January 26, 2017, 11:52:05 AM
Pretty much. People need to slow down. Renewable energy has been growing for years, and the more profitable it becomes, the more private sector money will rush into it. It's like people want the country run 100% on renewables TODAY.How about we subsidize renewable energy more than non. That would be a start.
Why do we subsidize non renewanle energy at all?
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Post by: sg3 on January 26, 2017, 11:53:37 AM
This isn't going to end well:According to Trump apologist TommyAnne Conway this is no problem at all. "All of those people were failed losers and the Exxon Mobil cronies Rex hires as replacements will all have better experience and be wonderful. Everybody will love them. Trust me. Believe me."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/
Post by: ons on January 26, 2017, 11:55:19 AM
Alright, first of all you can't just "take oil", second Iraq can't eat oil, they have to sell it. We get almost zero of our oil from Iraq. Some sort of deal should have been struck back then, but whatever. It's over now.
Are you sure it's over? And that he didn't mean just "take oil"?
April 2011: "So, in the old days, you know when you had a war, to the victor belong the spoils. You go in. You win the war and you take it." "So, we steal an oil field?" "You’re not stealing. Excuse me. You’re not stealing anything. You’re taking."
August 2015: "ISIS is taking over a lot of the oil and certain areas of Iraq. And I said you take away their wealth, that you go and knock the hell out of the oil, take back the oil. We take over the oil, which we should have done in the first place."
January 2017: "To the victor belong the spoils... But if you think about it, Mike, if we kept the oil, you probably wouldn’t have ISIS because that’s where they made their money in the first place, so we should have kept the oil. But, okay, maybe we’ll have another chance."
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 11:56:27 AM
How about we subsidize renewable energy more than non. That would be a start.
Why do we subsidize non renewanle energy at all?
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We did that in 2009 and 2010 and lots of startups took advantage. Most of them went bankrupt. Hell I benefited a lot from those subsidies too since developers had money to spend.
I'm all for subsidies for renewables, but we need to do it right. Besides, the ones who will benefit the most from those subsidies are the evil energy companies you guys hate so much.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 11:58:50 AM
Are you sure it's over? And that he didn't mean just "take oil"?
April 2011: "So, in the old days, you know when you had a war, to the victor belong the spoils. You go in. You win the war and you take it." "So, we steal an oil field?" "You’re not stealing. Excuse me. You’re not stealing anything. You’re taking."
August 2015: "ISIS is taking over a lot of the oil and certain areas of Iraq. And I said you take away their wealth, that you go and knock the hell out of the oil, take back the oil. We take over the oil, which we should have done in the first place."
January 2017: "To the victor belong the spoils... But if you think about it, Mike, if we kept the oil, you probably wouldn’t have ISIS because that’s where they made their money in the first place, so we should have kept the oil. But, okay, maybe we’ll have another chance."
We actually tried "taking over the oil" but giving U.S companies government contracts to run their oil exploration and refineries, but people went batshit crazy. Most went into the hands of the Iraqi government and their nationalized companies, and now look what happened.
Post by: insanity on January 26, 2017, 12:15:52 PM
We actually tried "taking over the oil" but giving U.S companies government contracts to run their oil exploration and refineries, but people went batshit crazy.
Because it is there freaking land and oil. The public reason for going into Iraq wasn't to pillage their land and take their resources.
Post by: Pope on January 26, 2017, 12:18:16 PM
Post by: ons on January 26, 2017, 12:19:40 PM
We actually tried "taking over the oil" but giving U.S companies government contracts to run their oil exploration and refineries, but people went batshit crazy. Most went into the hands of the Iraqi government and their nationalized companies, and now look what happened.
That doesn't mean anything in defense of Trump, and is also factually incorrect. Current Iraqi oil contracts are still profitable for international oil companies even as the Iraqi government faces an economic crisis due in part from the low prices for crude oil. International companies control about 60% of ownership of Iraqi oil fields, and are tremendously profitable for it.
Trump consistently advocated "paying back" the United States government itself using the oil - no mention of international oil companies, American or otherwise.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 12:25:03 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 12:25:11 PM
Yeah, because no one is trying to get into shitty country. The only reason why Central Americans cross into Mexico is so they can eventually make it up here.
What a jackass.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 12:26:49 PM
That doesn't mean anything in defense of Trump, and is also factually incorrect. Current Iraqi oil contracts are still profitable for international oil companies even as the Iraqi government faces an economic crisis due in part from the low prices for crude oil. International companies control about 60% of ownership of Iraqi oil fields, and are tremendously profitable for it.
Trump consistently advocated "paying back" the United States government itself using the oil - no mention of international oil companies, American or otherwise.
Yeah but some sort of taxes should've been levied to help pay us back for protection etc. We could've kept troops there to protect the pipelines as well, which eventually fell to ISIS. That's Obama's fault.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 12:31:09 PM
"Mexico doesn't believe in walls."
Yeah, because no one is trying to get into shitty country. The only reason why Central Americans cross into Mexico is so they can eventually make it up here.
What a jackass.
Takes one to know one.
Post by: ons on January 26, 2017, 12:38:06 PM
Yeah but some sort of taxes should've been levied to help pay us back for protection etc.
Pay us back for all the protection we provided between 2003-2011?
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 12:39:39 PM
Pay us back for all the protection we provided between 2003-2011?
Sure, why not?
Post by: ons on January 26, 2017, 12:40:46 PM
Sure, why not?
Because we were the ones who invaded them.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 12:42:51 PM
Because we were the ones who invaded them.
Liberated.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 12:43:57 PM
This isn't going to end well:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/
Looks like they were all told to leave:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/top-state-department-officials-asked-to-leave-by-trump-administration/index.html
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 26, 2017, 12:44:04 PM
Pretty much. People need to slow down. Renewable energy has been growing for years, and the more profitable it becomes, the more private sector money will rush into it. It's like people want the country run 100% on renewables TODAY.
I appreciate that you agreed with half my post, and I know I posted a big wall-o-text, but Tommy do you condemn or condone the Trump administration's demand that any of the EPA's scientific findings must be vetted through the administration before dissemination to the public?
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 12:45:49 PM
Looks like they were all told to leave:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/top-state-department-officials-asked-to-leave-by-trump-administration/index.html
So? Losing that much accrued knowledge of how an organisation as important and complex as the State Department functions isn't a good thing. Tillerson might well have corporate flunkies in mind to replace them but I don't anticipate it going well.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 12:49:10 PM
Post by: sg3 on January 26, 2017, 12:50:46 PM
So? Losing that much accrued knowledge of how an organisation as important and complex as the State Department functions isn't a good thing. Tillerson might well have corporate flunkies in mind to replace them but I don't anticipate it going well.No prob Johnny
All is hunky dory according to TommyAnne
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 12:50:47 PM
I appreciate that you agreed with half my post, and I know I posted a big wall-o-text, but Tommy do you condemn or condone the Trump administration's demand that any of the EPA's scientific findings must be vetted through the administration before dissemination to the public?
No, I don't agree with that.
Post by: ons on January 26, 2017, 12:51:17 PM
Liberated.
Ah yes, the great war in which we liberated the ISIS freedom fighters from the oppressive regime of Saddam Hussein and his WMDs.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 12:52:19 PM
So? Losing that much accrued knowledge of how an organisation as important and complex as the State Department functions isn't a good thing. Tillerson might well have corporate flunkies in mind to replace them but I don't anticipate it going well.
The state department employs about 60,000 people globally. I'm sure there's enough accrued knowledge around or people that can be promoted.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 12:53:33 PM
Ah yes, the great war in which we liberated the ISIS freedom fighters from the oppressive regime of Saddam Hussein and his WMDs.
Hey, I was a strong proponent of the war, but now I realize it was a mistake, but the initial goal was to remove Saddam and create a U.S friendly democracy to counter Iran. Didn't quite work out that way though.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 26, 2017, 12:53:55 PM
Ah yes, the great war in which we liberated the ISIS freedom fighters from the oppressive regime of Saddam Hussein and his WMDs.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 26, 2017, 12:58:44 PM
No, AR is right.
I was neutral in this discussion until that "durrr the country needs to show other countries who's boss" bullshit.
People who believe that deserve to get their poop pushed in.
How I feel about this:
"People say I'm a xenophobe but I don't think that's true. I just happen to think that America is better than every other country. Once upon a time that used to be called patriotism."
-Kenny Powers
Post by: ons on January 26, 2017, 01:00:11 PM
Hey, I was a strong proponent of the war, but now I realize it was a mistake, but the initial goal was to remove Saddam and create a U.S friendly democracy to counter Iran. Didn't quite work out that way though.
... so why would we further destabilize any chance of their success as a democracy by taking away the only stable source of income their government has?
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 01:02:20 PM
... so why would we further destabilize any chance of their success as a democracy by taking away the only stable source of income their government has?
I didn't say I agreed with his comment, just that we should have at least come to some form of arrangement where we provide protection and they pay for it. Sort of like how Japan pays for most of our bases out there.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 01:07:20 PM
Post by: Pope on January 26, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
This thread has aidsYeah big time
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 01:14:32 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 26, 2017, 01:17:22 PM
I can go on all day.
Or until you succumb from AIDS
Post by: Miamipuck on January 26, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
This thread has aids
Oh god yes
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 01:55:54 PM
How I feel about this:
"People say I'm a xenophobe but I don't think that's true. I just happen to think that America is better than every other country. Once upon a time that used to be called patriotism."
-Kenny Powers
See, it's funny when it's a line from a comedy show but it's a bit worrying the number of people who actually believe that's what patriotism is. Samuel Johnson said: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." And as that other great writer Doug Stanhope said: "Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people you never met, and to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in."
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 02:09:39 PM
See, it's funny when it's a line from a comedy show but it's a bit worrying the number of people who actually believe that's what patriotism is. Samuel Johnson said: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." And as that other great writer Doug Stanhope said: "Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people you never met, and to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in."
I live here, my family lives here, my friends all live here, my future children will live here, so I want what's best for this country, and I do want the country to be the best in the world. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that mindset. Am I "proud" to be an American? I can't take pride in accident of birth, but I'm sure as hell GLAD I'm an American. I wouldn't trade this nationality for anything else. That's patriotism and nationalism as far as I see it.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 02:25:50 PM
my future children
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Post by: Badger on January 26, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
BUILD THE WALL! BUILD THE WALL! BUILD THE WALL!Honestly at this point The Wall is one of the least objectionable things on the agenda.
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 26, 2017, 02:43:26 PM
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Haha I'm trying to picture a scenario where Tommy isn't telling the story about how he cheated on his 8 month pregnant wife because she got fat.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 02:46:58 PM
Haha I'm trying to picture a scenario where Tommy isn't telling the story about how he cheated on his 8 month pregnant wife because she got fat.
Hahahahahaha
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 02:55:38 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 02:57:41 PM
So looks like we're going to impose a 20% tax on all Mexican imports to finance the wall.LOLOLOLOL tell me more about how Americans aren't going to be paying for it then.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 03:03:44 PM
LOLOLOLOL tell me more about how Americans aren't going to be paying for it then.
I think it's more of a threat than anything. You don't think Mexican business leaders will be concerned that they'll have to pay a tax to sell their products into the biggest market in the world? 80% of all Mexican exports come here, so this is a big deal.
Post by: Pope on January 26, 2017, 03:09:13 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2017, 03:09:14 PM
I live here, my family lives here, my friends all live here, my future children will live here, so I want what's best for this country, and I do want the country to be the best in the world. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that mindset. Am I "proud" to be an American? I can't take pride in accident of birth, but I'm sure as hell GLAD I'm an American. I wouldn't trade this nationality for anything else. That's patriotism and nationalism as far as I see it.
The next time I see you...remind me to chant "Canada is the best" in your face until I get bored. Not because I want to, but to remind you how freaking stupid your post is.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 03:11:00 PM
I think it's more of a threat than anything. You don't think Mexican business leaders will be concerned that they'll have to pay a tax to sell their products into the biggest market in the world? 80% of all Mexican exports come here, so this is a big deal.A threat to force what, exactly? The Mexican government to pay for the wall? Where do you think their money comes from?
This is a fool's errand. There are things with which I agree with Trump and a lot of things which I find hugely troubling, but this is just batshit mental.
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2017, 03:11:41 PM
So looks like we're going to impose a 20% tax on all Mexican imports to finance the wall.Mexican imports? Like shitty meth?
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2017, 03:12:45 PM
Mexican imports? Like shitty meth?
Mexico's version of white cheese (I can't remember the name of it) is amazing.
Don't build the wall.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 03:13:22 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 03:16:25 PM
A threat to force what, exactly? The Mexican government to pay for the wall? Where do you think their money comes from?
This is a fool's errand. There are things with which I agree with Trump and a lot of things which I find hugely troubling, but this is just batshit mental.
Well their top exports mainly come from U.S manufacturers who have shipped production there, and he said that he was going to tax their exports anyway. This puts a lot of pressure on the Mexican government with their other exports which are made by Mexican businesses, and though they can just increase the prices, they will lose out to competition, and that will make Mexico's business elite unhappy. It'll also increase unemployment when U.S companies decide they may as well just close those factories in Mexico and move back to the states. This hurts Mexico WAY more than it does us. A lot of pressure is on Pena to negotiate and play ball, unless he wants his entire economy to collapse.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 03:17:15 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 03:21:04 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2017, 03:22:14 PM
You know, if anyone ends up a winner here, it will probably be Canada.
Our wall is next in the queue.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 03:23:18 PM
Well their top exports mainly come from U.S manufacturers who have shipped production there, and he said that he was going to tax their exports anyway. This puts a lot of pressure on the Mexican government with their other exports which are made by Mexican businesses, and though they can just increase the prices, they will lose out to competition, and that will make Mexico's business elite unhappy. It'll also increase unemployment when U.S companies decide they may as well just close those factories in Mexico and move back to the states. This hurts Mexico WAY more than it does us. A lot of pressure is on Pena to negotiate and play ball, unless he wants his entire economy to collapse.OK. My question stands. Negotiate what, exactly? The wall is estimated at $14B. What's up for negotiation? The cost? Who pays? Whether it happens at all?
Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2017, 03:24:57 PM
OK. My question stands. Negotiate what, exactly? The wall is estimated at $14B. What's up for negotiation? The cost? Who pays? Whether it happens at all?
Maybe Trump will be Jimmy Hoffa'd by then.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 03:33:10 PM
OK. My question stands. Negotiate what, exactly? The wall is estimated at $14B. What's up for negotiation? The cost? Who pays? Whether it happens at all?
That's for Trump and Pena to negotiate. He's bringing him back to the bargaining table.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 03:35:15 PM
That's for Trump and Pena to negotiate. He's bringing him back to the bargaining table.Nah, come on. What's negotiable here?
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 03:39:31 PM
Nah, come on. What's negotiable here?
How the wall gets financed. That's the whole point. We can either slap that import tax that will hurt Mexican businesses, or find some other way. Or a combination of the two.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 03:41:54 PM
How the wall gets financed. That's the whole point. We can either slap that import tax that will hurt Mexican businesses, or find some other way. Or a combination of the two.OK. What other way of financing the wall can you think of that won't cost Mexican businesses $14B?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 03:43:18 PM
Otherwise it's gonna be nonsense drama that will just hurt the USA
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 03:45:43 PM
How the wall gets financed. That's the whole point. We can either slap that import tax that will hurt Mexican businesses, or find some other way. Or a combination of the two.
You realize that us consumers are going to be harmed by trade war with Mexico, right?
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 03:46:00 PM
OK. What other way of financing the wall can you think of that won't cost Mexican businesses $14B?
We can tax some of these cash transactions: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271455/Revealed-How-immigrants-America-sending-120-BILLION-struggling-families-home.html
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 03:47:30 PM
You realize that us consumers are going to be harmed by trade war with Mexico, right?
Give me a break. The U.S accounts for 80% of all Mexican exports. Where are they going to send those products when the U.S consumers go domestic or buy other brands? Central America? Mexico has way more to lose here.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 03:50:28 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on January 26, 2017, 03:52:27 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 03:52:35 PM
We can tax some of these cash transactions: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271455/Revealed-How-immigrants-America-sending-120-BILLION-struggling-families-home.html
While I have no issue with that
Taxing the poorest of the poor who are sending money to their even poorer families is a PR nightmare.
Now if they're mostly working illegally and not paying tax (I have no idea if this is the case) that's a different story
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 03:57:00 PM
While I have no issue with that
Taxing the poorest of the poor who are sending money to their even poorer families is a PR nightmare.
Now if they're mostly working illegally and not paying tax (I have no idea if this is the case) that's a different story
Well it's either that or tax Mexican businesses. Or maybe Mexico can make their country less shitty so people stop trying to hop the border. I find it funny when people defend illegals for saying that "they're just looking for a better life for themselves and their families!" not knowing that they're pretty much insulting Mexico at the same time since that sentence implies that opportunities do not exist there.
Mexico should take care of their own poor. Why should we foot the bill for their poverty problems?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 04:01:16 PM
Well it's either that or tax Mexican businesses. Or maybe Mexico can make their country less shitty so people stop trying to hop the border. I find it funny when people defend illegals for saying that "they're just looking for a better life for themselves and their families!" not knowing that they're pretty much insulting Mexico at the same time since that sentence implies that opportunities do not exist there.
Mexico should take care of their own poor. Why should we foot the bill for their poverty problems?
Making the drug cartels foot the bill is the only solution that makes everybody happy
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 04:07:55 PM
We can tax some of these cash transactions: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271455/Revealed-How-immigrants-America-sending-120-BILLION-struggling-families-home.html
That's an interesting idea, Tommy. Are you planning on taxing all transfers sent to Mexico, or just those sent by illegal immigrants? Because if it's the former I suspect that there are about eleventy billion legal reasons why that will never work, and if it's the latter then there are almost as many incredibly obvious reasons why it would be practically unworkable.
Try harder.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 04:09:56 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 04:10:06 PM
Give me a break. The U.S accounts for 80% of all Mexican exports. Where are they going to send those products when the U.S consumers go domestic or buy other brands? Central America? Mexico has way more to lose here.
Sure. You're still on the hook for a $14B wall though and Trump ain't getting a cheque from Mexico. So, the Mexican economy got fucked a bit more and your tax bill went up for Glorious Leader's Great Folly. That's a losing proposition all round, and since when did the World's Greatest Negotiator (TM) do lose-lose deals?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 04:12:48 PM
Give me a break. The U.S accounts for 80% of all Mexican exports. Where are they going to send those products when the U.S consumers go domestic or buy other brands? Central America? Mexico has way more to lose here.
Regardless, a prolonged trade war with Mexico will inevitably result in job losses at U.S. companies that rely on exporting goods to Mexico.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 04:15:25 PM
Legitimate question. Is it the United States' responsibility to bear the burden of Mexico's economic difficulties because we border them? Does any other country shoulder any responsibility?
It's because we border them. For some reason instead of blaming the countries they come from people would rather criticize successful countries for not taking in their poor and disadvantaged.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 04:16:08 PM
Regardless, a prolonged trade war with Mexico will inevitably result in job losses at U.S. companies that rely on exporting goods to Mexico.
The thing is that Mexico would NEVER enter into a trade war with the U.S. That's the whole point.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 04:18:18 PM
Legitimate question. Is it the United States' responsibility to bear the burden of Mexico's economic difficulties because we border them? Does any other country shoulder any responsibility?
I believe we're the only 1st world nation that shares a substantial border with a 3rd world nation
Making this a true anomaly
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
Sure. You're still on the hook for a $14B wall though and Trump ain't getting a cheque from Mexico. So, the Mexican economy got fucked a bit more and your tax bill went up for Glorious Leader's Great Folly. That's a losing proposition all round, and since when did the World's Greatest Negotiator (TM) do lose-lose deals?
Look, I don't know exactly what he has in mind. There are guys working on these things that know way more about foreign trade and import/export duties, and I elected a guy who I think will figure that out for us. So far I think it's headed in the right direction. Let them know that the wall is going to be built and that they will pay for it - non negotiable terms. Let the Mexicans figure out how to reimburse us. We've been harboring their poor for decades. Time to pony up.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 04:21:13 PM
I believe we're the only 1st world nation that shares a substantial border with a 3rd world nation
Making this a true anomaly
It's all relative though. If you're poor in Turkey, you're better off being poor in Germany than staying home. If you live in North Korea, you're going to escape to China and think it's paradise. If you're poor in China, you're going to want to go to South korea or Japan to find manual labor, and so on.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 04:25:19 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 04:26:47 PM
It's all relative though. If you're poor in Turkey, you're better off being poor in Germany than staying home. If you live in North Korea, you're going to escape to China and think it's paradise. If you're poor in China, you're going to want to go to South korea or Japan to find manual labor, and so on.
Sure its relative but 1st vs 3rd world is substantially different from 2nd vs 3rd
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 04:27:13 PM
Look, I don't know exactly what he has in mind. There are guys working on these things that know way more about foreign trade and import/export duties, and I elected a guy who I think will figure that out for us. So far I think it's headed in the right direction. Let them know that the wall is going to be built and that they will pay for it - non negotiable terms. Let the Mexicans figure out how to reimburse us. We've been harboring their poor for decades. Time to pony up.
Nah, c'mon Tommy. That sounds like the talk of a Mid West blue collar worker placing blind faith in a bunch of hot air, not a professional negotiator who positions himself as an authority on finance and economics. You voted for him and this was part of why you did, so you must have some kind of sensible idea how he's going to make good on one of his highest profile election promises. It's not complicated, it's one of the biggest civil engineering projects in history that the instigator has said is going to be paid for by someone who has said they won't.
Keep trying. I'm dying to hear how this is going to work.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 04:28:53 PM
Nah, c'mon Tommy. That sounds like the talk of a Mid West blue collar worker placing blind faith in a bunch of hot air, not a professional negotiator who positions himself as an authority on finance and economics. You voted for him and this was part of why you did, so you must have some kind of sensible idea how he's going to make good on one of his highest profile election promises. It's not complicated, it's one of the biggest civil engineering projects in history that the instigator has said is going to be paid for by someone who has said they won't.
Keep trying. I'm dying to hear how this is going to work.
I voted for the guy to make those decisions. I'll just sit back and watch it all unfold.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 04:31:40 PM
I voted for the guy to make those decisions. I'll just sit back and watch it all unfold.
I'm going to the pub for dinner and you're going to pay for it. I'll tell them to call you and you can give them your credit card details. If you refuse I'm going to ban you from the site.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 04:33:22 PM
I'm going to the pub for dinner and you're going to pay for it. I'll tell them to call you and you can give them your credit card details. If you refuse I'm going to ban you from the site.
Hey, if my poor friends and relatives have been sleeping on your sofa for years without me doing a damn thing about it, I'd probably say that's a fair trade.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 04:35:56 PM
Hey, if my poor friends and relatives have been sleeping on your sofa for years without me doing a damn thing about it, I'd probably say that's a fair trade.
In principle I'd agree, but if I kept paying them pennies to clean my toilets and vacuum my floors and weed my yard then is it your fault for not making them leave or mine for giving them a reason to stay?
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 04:53:53 PM
In principle I'd agree, but if I kept paying them pennies to clean my toilets and vacuum my floors and weed my yard then is it your fault for not making them leave or mine for giving them a reason to stay?
Well sure you're benefiting but your wife is pissed that you're just letting them hang around while her nephews would rather do the work to help pay for video games and stuff.
I pay them nothing, forcing them to leave, you provide something, incentivizing them to stay, but that means some in your family aren't able to do that work. It's both of our faults.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 05:15:38 PM
So I imagine those resignations today were no surprise
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 05:26:53 PM
On a side note to those resignations JE previously mentioned. Was video of Trump calling out Patrick Kennedy by name calling him incredibly corrupt and all this stuff, saying he needed to resign.
So I imagine those resignations today were no surprise
Has there ever been a more eventful first week of a Presidency?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 05:32:34 PM
Has there ever been a more eventful first week of a Presidency?
I'm too young to answer that. But I imagine a great deal of this has to do with the way Trump thinks he's putting on a show.
He doesn't need to be giving campaign speeches anymore he won
And I also read an article on either the wsj or politico about how a concern that many of these executive actions aren't being reviewed by experts or the agencies directly involved. And nobody has an idea if these actions are going to hold up in court or are even legal
So I wouldn't get too excited about all these events yet
Post by: sg3 on January 26, 2017, 06:58:49 PM
1. Because the real estimated cost of what Shitler promised is in the area of 70-90 billion which will be 100% borne by our taxpayers
2. Because he will be involved with other more important stuff like ceding Germany and all of Eastern Europe to Russia, destroying NATO and turning over most US National Parks to Exxon to pay off Rex, building camps for Muslims, Latinos, African Americans and Jews (not named Kushner) and eluminating all water and air quality standards
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 07:00:39 PM
His idiot wall will end up as some cheap enhancements to the useless idiot wall already built under Bush. Why not.
1. Because the real estimated cost of what Shitler promised is in the area of 70-90 billion which will be 100% borne by our taxpayers
2. Because he will be involved with other more important stuff like ceding Germany and all of Eastern Europe to Russia, destroying NATO and turning over most US National Parks to Exxon to pay off Rex, building camps for Muslims, Latinos, African Americans and Jews (not named Kushner) and eluminating all water and air quality standards
Sometimes suicide is the answer
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 26, 2017, 07:02:07 PM
What a narcissistic jackass.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 07:02:26 PM
Sometimes suicide is the answerDamn.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 07:05:36 PM
Well sure you're benefiting but your wife is pissed that you're just letting them hang around while her nephews would rather do the work to help pay for video games and stuff.
I pay them nothing, forcing them to leave, you provide something, incentivizing them to stay, but that means some in your family aren't able to do that work. It's both of our faults.
Probably time to stop torturing this analogy now, but if you're saying that both are at fault (which is probably correct) how is it the responsibility of only one of them to pay for the fix?
If Trump says that the USA and Mexico need to pay equally for the wall it will still be a ridiculous idea, but it will at least be equitable. That ship has long since sailed though. The stupid thing is that as a businessman this was the easiest thing for him to resolve - put in place legislation, and crucially put the resources in place to enforce it, to heavily punish employers for employing illegal labour. If you remove the incentive for people to enter the country illegally then the problem goes away.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 07:05:50 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-pressured-park-service-to-back-up-his-claims-about-inauguration-crowd/2017/01/26/12a38cb8-e3fc-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_story.html
What a narcissistic jackass.
Is it really wrong to ask for additional photos since the media only had one photo where we don't even know was taken at the time of the inauguration? He already distrusts the media, and rightfully so.
Post by: Tommy on January 26, 2017, 07:07:38 PM
Probably time to stop torturing this analogy now, but if you're saying that both are at fault (which is probably correct) how is it the responsibility of only one of them to pay for the fix?
If Trump says that the USA and Mexico need to pay equally for the wall it will still be a ridiculous idea, but it will at least be equitable. That ship has long since sailed though. The stupid thing is that as a businessman this was the easiest thing for him to resolve - put in place legislation, and crucially put the resources in place to enforce it, to heavily punish employers for employing illegal labour. If you remove the incentive for people to enter the country illegally then the problem goes away.
I agree, but why not do both? I believe he said that he would punish employers who hire illegals. Also, the sanctuary city thing is important.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 07:10:00 PM
I agree, but why not do both? I believe he said that he would punish employers who hire illegals. Also, the sanctuary city thing is important.
No. None of that is important. What is important is he used his comedy wall to get elected. Now he has to follow through on it. You don't get to weasel away from it and nor does he. Is the wall happening, and if so who is paying for it? And if it isn't, why did he lie?
Post by: sg3 on January 26, 2017, 07:15:44 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-pressured-park-service-to-back-up-his-claims-about-inauguration-crowd/2017/01/26/12a38cb8-e3fc-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_story.htmlThe most amazing part of this report on America's Jacks$$ is that he has his Asst Press Secretary still campaigning against Secretary Clinton nearly 3 months after Election Day. Maybe KellyAnne and Bannon haven't told the idiot yet that he "won"
What a narcissistic jackass.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 07:46:58 PM
No. None of that is important. What is important is he used his comedy wall to get elected. Now he has to follow through on it. You don't get to weasel away from it and nor does he. Is the wall happening, and if so who is paying for it? And if it isn't, why did he lie?
You answered your own question.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 26, 2017, 07:49:39 PM
Is it really wrong to ask for additional photos since the media only had one photo where we don't even know was taken at the time of the inauguration?Yes.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 08:00:34 PM
You answered your own question.
Well, sure. But he's signed an executive order to make it happen, which in turn tells the dumb fucks that voted for it that it's going to happen, so now he has to figure out how to do it. As Tommy has most effectively demonstrated he has no way of making the Mexicans pay, so either you're going to have to pay for it which is going to be an amazing weapon to beat the great negotiator with for the next four years, especially when it doesn't actually work at keeping out illegal immigrants (really, a wall?), or he's not going to be able to do it in which case a lot of people who voted for him are going to be very upset about seeing Mr Drain The Swamp filling Washington with his cronies while he fails to deliver on his promises.
Of all of his ludicrous pledges, this could absolutely be the hill on which he falls.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 08:08:21 PM
Well, sure. But he's signed an executive order to make it happen, which in turn tells the dumb fucks that voted for it that it's going to happen, so now he has to figure out how to do it. As Tommy has most effectively demonstrated he has no way of making the Mexicans pay, so either you're going to have to pay for it which is going to be an amazing weapon to beat the great negotiator with for the next four years, especially when it doesn't actually work at keeping out illegal immigrants (really, a wall?), or he's not going to be able to do it in which case a lot of people who voted for him are going to be very upset about seeing Mr Drain The Swamp filling Washington with his cronies while he fails to deliver on his promises.Or he will say it was paid for through some sort of math that shows Mexico paid for it via money saved from a new trade negotiation. There will always be fuzziness.
Of all of his ludicrous pledges, this could absolutely be the hill on which he falls.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 08:12:19 PM
Or he will say it was paid for through some sort of math that shows Mexico paid for it via money saved from a new trade negotiation. There will always be fuzziness.
Yeah, that's not how international trade or federal accounting works.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 08:16:51 PM
Yeah, that's not how international trade or federal accounting works.I'm telling you that's what he'll SAY.
No way he's leaving his dick swinging in the wind on this. He'll build the wall and find some way to say it was paid for by Mexico, legitimately or by funny numbers.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 08:20:32 PM
I'm telling you that's what he'll SAY.
OK, and then people will say "Yes, but here are the numbers. They're not like your tax returns, you can't hide them. Show us where Mexico paid us back the $14B for the wall we built that doesn't actually stop illegal immigrants." Because that's how government works. It's your government and your money and they don't get to be fuzzy about it, not when it's that much money.
I do not believe that there's any way the wall gets built. Congress won't allow such a colossal waste of money on an ineffective vanity project.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 08:40:46 PM
Sure if you're some steel worker or coal miner or do some other kind of manual labor old school job in bumble freak nowhere it's going to be great for highschool dropouts around the county.
But for the 95% + of Americans who don't do that kind of excrement, you'll just end up paying more money for shitty American products
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 08:41:48 PM
OK, and then people will say "Yes, but here are the numbers. They're not like your tax returns, you can't hide them. Show us where Mexico paid us back the $14B for the wall we built that doesn't actually stop illegal immigrants." Because that's how government works. It's your government and your money and they don't get to be fuzzy about it, not when it's that much money.Fair enough. I'll admit, this is completely different than typical government. Good or bad, things are changing.
I do not believe that there's any way the wall gets built. Congress won't allow such a colossal waste of money on an ineffective vanity project.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
Quote
“The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for awhile,” he said in an interview with the New York Times.
“I want you to quote this,” he said. “The media here is the opposition party. They don’t understand this country."
freak that whole First Amendment bullshit, eh? That was for other administrations, not us.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 08:53:44 PM
LOL. Obergruppenfuhrer Bannon declared today that "the media is the opposition party".
freak that whole First Amendment bullshit, eh? That was for other administrations, not us.
I didn't read anything that infringes upon anybodys first ammendment rights
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 09:01:55 PM
I didn't read anything that infringes upon anybodys first ammendment rights
Well, as he's not a member of Congress he's obviously not in a position to directly breach the First Amendment but I don't think you're dim enough to think that the whole "[not] abridging the freedom of the press" thing isn't a massive inconvenience to him and this whole administration.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 09:02:19 PM
LOL. Obergruppenfuhrer Bannon declared today that "the media is the opposition party".
freak that whole First Amendment bullshit, eh? That was for other administrations, not us.
You know this is exactly what they want. They know that if they can delegitimize the press they can eliminate the only institution capable of holding them accountable whenever they want to fill the airwaves with lies.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 09:08:43 PM
Well, as he's not a member of Congress he's obviously not in a position to directly breach the First Amendment but I don't think you're dim enough to think that the whole "[not] abridging the freedom of the press" thing isn't a massive inconvenience to him and this whole administration.
He's picking a fight with the media because it rallys his base, and makes the Trump regime seem more like outsiders and like they're changing things.
I do have to give the Whitehouse credit for the stuff they've done with press conferences, like bringing in new media outlets via Skype and what not
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 09:09:22 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 09:12:52 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 09:16:59 PM
If you haven't realized that this is a hostile takeover yet, it's time to wake up.
I appreciate you making me look reasonable and like I'm not a freaking moron
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2017, 09:19:50 PM
He's picking a fight with the media because it rallys his base, and makes the Trump regime seem more like outsiders and like they're changing things.
I do have to give the Whitehouse credit for the stuff they've done with press conferences, like bringing in new media outlets via Skype and what not
No. He's picking a fight with the legitimate media. Remember, he's from Breitbart which is technically speaking a medium although I'd argue it struggles to qualify under the category of "press".
Did you see that not only did they credential some spurious fake news (like, actually fake news) site called LifeZette, but also gave them the first question at Spicer's first conference after the whole "WAAAAH WAAAH INAUGURATION ATTENDANCE" debacle?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 26, 2017, 09:28:45 PM
I appreciate you making me look reasonable and like I'm not a freaking moron
I haven't seen this kind of blatant disregard and outright disdain for the constitution and our institutions in my lifetime and neither has almost every person that I've spoken to, so I really don't have any patience for people that want to tell me that I'm overreacting.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 09:34:47 PM
No. He's picking a fight with the legitimate media. Remember, he's from Breitbart which is technically speaking a medium although I'd argue it struggles to qualify under the category of "press".
Did you see that not only did they credential some spurious fake news (like, actually fake news) site called LifeZette, but also gave them the first question at Spicer's first conference after the whole "WAAAAH WAAAH INAUGURATION ATTENDANCE" debacle?
Obama and the left did that too, they went to war with Fox News for years. And they legitimized alt left websites. Before the Huffington Post became mainstream (ish it was a far left looney bin.
Yes this website you mentioned I've never heard of and I know Laura Ingram is a friend of them (as she was rumored to be a white house press secretary candidate) but the left does that excrement too.
Hell the freaking media was giving Hillary questions to the presidential debate in advance, and then got hired by her campaign.
Trump is being a dick and extremely childish with the media. Yes he's not giving then their historic "due" by not letting them ask their questions first.
But he's still letting them do their jobs, he's just making it personal
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 26, 2017, 09:34:48 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 26, 2017, 09:58:33 PM
I haven't seen this kind of blatant disregard and outright disdain for the constitution and our institutions in my lifetime and neither has almost every person that I've spoken to, so I really don't have any patience for people that want to tell me that I'm overreacting.
The guy has been in office less than week
The biggest problem with him is he's been acting like a freaking child and an egomaniac.
This whole the sky is falling and Trump is burning the Republic to the ground is idiotic moronic horseshit.
Now if you want to make the argument that Trump is a blowhard and ignorant you can easily and very reasonably make that argument.
This other excrement is a joke and just makes you look like Junc. That's actually the best way to describe your behavior in this thread. You're Junc.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2017, 09:59:32 PM
The guy has been in office less than weekIt's so Joel.
The biggest problem with him is he's been acting like a freaking child and an egomaniac.
This whole the sky is falling and Trump is burning the Republic to the ground is idiotic moronic horseshit.
Now if you want to make the argument that Trump is a blowhard and ignorant you can easily and very reasonably make that argument.
This other excrement is a Joel and just makes you look like Junc. That's actually the best way to describe your behavior in this thread. You're Junc.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 27, 2017, 12:52:18 AM
The guy has been in office less than weekYou're right that the biggest problem is that we've elected an egomaniac child to the White House.
The biggest problem with him is he's been acting like a freaking child and an egomaniac.
This whole the sky is falling and Trump is burning the Republic to the ground is idiotic moronic horseshit.
Now if you want to make the argument that Trump is a blowhard and ignorant you can easily and very reasonably make that argument.
This other excrement is a joke and just makes you look like Junc. That's actually the best way to describe your behavior in this thread. You're Junc.
You're wrong for underestimating the harm it could do and the consequences of electing this person.
Post by: ons on January 27, 2017, 10:49:47 AM
Is it really wrong to ask for additional photos since the media only had one photo where we don't even know was taken at the time of the inauguration? He already distrusts the media, and rightfully so.
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdantUf5tXg
(published immediately after the inauguration)
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2017, 10:52:12 AM
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdantUf5tXg
(published immediately after the inauguration)
Clearly doctored footage. FAKE NEWS! Sad.
Post by: ons on January 27, 2017, 10:59:15 AM
Legitimate question. Is it the United States' responsibility to bear the burden of Mexico's economic difficulties because we border them? Does any other country shoulder any responsibility?
I mean, our country is at least somewhat dedicated to the purpose of bearing the burden of the wretched, homeless, poor from around the world. One of the more foundational principles of our union, is that those who wish to pursue a life of freedom and opportunity are theoretically welcome on our shores. That's part of what American exceptionalism used to mean.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2017, 11:13:23 AM
I mean, our country is at least somewhat dedicated to the purpose of bearing the burden of the wretched, homeless, poor from around the world. One of the more foundational principles of our union, is that those who wish to pursue a life of freedom and opportunity are theoretically welcome on our shores. That's part of what American exceptionalism used to mean.
This is true, but times change. Different conditions exist now that didn't 200 years ago. It applies to both sides of the aisle politically. Take gun laws. Fully automatic assault rifles weren't a concern in Thomas Jefferson's time. That's why many think gun control is important when it wasn't a long time ago.
I think we should keep as many of the principles that America was built on as possible, but at the same time we have to adapt when conditions change. I certainly don't have all the answers, neither does Trump. We have to be a place of opportunity, but if we fall apart financially we won't be doing a lot of good to anyone. However we can't close up shop and be hermits either. Happy medium.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 27, 2017, 01:19:12 PM
Because Mexico would win an economic war against the United States
Post by: Jetaho on January 27, 2017, 06:13:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2017, 06:23:21 PM
Is now a good time to go on a Mexican vacation? Can I bring a sidearm?
Well, the peso is cheap so your dollar buys a lot of Coronitas and while you can't take a sidearm with you, you probably won't have too much difficulty buying one on a street corner. On the downside, you might need it.
Also, Lyin' Don might make you pay a 35% tax for taking your dollars out of the country. Go and vacation in Poughkeepsie and support American jobs, you freaking traitor.
Post by: ukilledkenny on January 27, 2017, 07:45:02 PM
Well, the peso is cheap so your dollar buys a lot of Coronitas and while you can't take a sidearm with you, you probably won't have too much difficulty buying one on a street corner. On the downside, you might need it.
Also, Lyin' Don might make you pay a 35% tax for taking your dollars out of the country. Go and vacation in Poughkeepsie and support American jobs, you freaking traitor.
Probably need the gun in Poughkeepsie more than Mexico.
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2017, 09:10:37 PM
Probably need the gun in Poughkeepsie more than Mexico.
I thought Poughkeepsie was supposed to be some kind of pretty historic NY State town?
Post by: Miamipuck on January 28, 2017, 12:56:12 AM
I thought Poughkeepsie was supposed to be some kind of pretty historic NY State town?
It's a shitthole.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 04:16:51 AM
I thought Poughkeepsie was supposed to be some kind of pretty historic NY State town?
lololololol
Post by: sg3 on January 28, 2017, 07:15:14 AM
I thought Poughkeepsie was supposed to be some kind of pretty historic NY State town?If you want to experience a real pooper complete with bed bugs, book any Trump hotel or resort.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 07:43:56 AM
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2017, 09:40:58 AM
I thought Poughkeepsie was supposed to be some kind of pretty historic NY State town?
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Post by: Johnny English on January 28, 2017, 10:25:32 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
Well, maybe if you traitors took your tourist dollars there instead of Mexico it wouldn't be such a pooper. You only have yourselves to blame.
It has a wall to keep tourist out
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 11:16:57 AM
Well, maybe if you traitors took your tourist dollars there instead of Mexico it wouldn't be such a pooper. You only have yourselves to blame.
Duchess county has gorgeous views and a lot of mountains for some great hikes. The towns around Poughkeepsie like Beacon are nice, but Poughkeepsie itself is like a smaller Detroit.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 12:37:33 PM
I thought Poughkeepsie was supposed to be some kind of pretty historic NY State town?There are some nice places within a stones throw, but P town was a freaking disaster when I left. Chaos surrounded by pretentious rich yuppies in the burbs.
Always liked Hyde Park though.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 12:38:56 PM
Well, maybe if you traitors took your tourist dollars there instead of Mexico it wouldn't be such a pooper. You only have yourselves to blame.I took my tourist dollars there to buy weed in my teens. College Hill FTW.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 12:43:47 PM
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Post by: Miamipuck on January 28, 2017, 02:01:57 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2017, 02:24:25 PM
But I'm now convinced he's going to have the worst international relations of any president in my lifetime, and will go to war with the Republican party within a year.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 02:36:43 PM
I know I tend to defend Trump frequently, and I do think he's going to do some really good important things like advance the conversations on tax and immigration reform. As well as renegotiate some deals like NAFTA to benefit us
But I'm now convinced he's going to have the worst international relations of any president in my lifetime, and will go to war with the Republican party within a year.
We're finally asserting our dominance and using our military and economic leverage. About time, too.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2017, 02:40:06 PM
We're finally asserting our dominance and using our military and economic leverage. About time, too.
Except we're one piece of the whole world
We are certainly the most important and valuable. But if the world sees us as a bully they can freak the excrement out of us. Being spineless like Obama did us no favors, and being a bully like Trump won't do us any favors either
Post by: Miamipuck on January 28, 2017, 02:50:23 PM
Except we're one piece of the whole world
We are certainly the most important and valuable. But if the world sees us as a bully they can freak the excrement out of us. Being spineless like Obama did us no favors, and being a bully like Trump won't do us any favors either
Nah like Tommy espouses let's do whatever the freak we want, whenever the freak we want, to whomever we want. who cares if we're not the only country in the world. Let's be ignorant, classless, misogynistic, scumbags. This is the America we have all been wanting.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 02:58:23 PM
Except we're one piece of the whole world
We are certainly the most important and valuable. But if the world sees us as a bully they can freak the excrement out of us. Being spineless like Obama did us no favors, and being a bully like Trump won't do us any favors either
I disagree. His first week was basically saying to the world that "We're the U.S and we're going to do what we want whether you like it or not." The world pretty much let Russia and China do that for years, and they're far less powerful than we are.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2017, 03:11:00 PM
I disagree. His first week was basically saying to the world that "We're the U.S and we're going to do what we want whether you like it or not." The world pretty much let Russia and China do that for years, and they're far less powerful than we are.you're a dunce.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 03:12:01 PM
you're a dunce.
Said while typing on a phone/pc in America's bitch.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2017, 03:50:47 PM
Said while typing on a phone/pc in America's bitch.another uninformed, ignorant post. you're on a roll, fucktard.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2017, 03:59:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2017, 04:09:27 PM
I disagree. His first week was basically saying to the world that "We're the U.S and we're going to do what we want whether you like it or not." The world pretty much let Russia and China do that for years, and they're far less powerful than we are.
And the world hates Russia and China, and is constantly teaming up with us to impose sanctions against them and excrement.
Some things for example extreme vetting for refugees. If he said something like areas of the world that are considered high risk or rampant with terrorism will get extreme vetting. Fine. But instead he went off on a tangent about Muslims, and then went on to tell the world how Christians are getting their heads chopped off, so Christian refugees will get prioritization.
excrement like that is going to make us absolutely loathed, and extremely ignorant to the entire world.
A lot of Trump's ideas "could" be very good if tweaked to not look horrible to the entire world
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 04:25:14 PM
And the world hates Russia and China, and is constantly teaming up with us to impose sanctions against them and excrement.
Some things for example extreme vetting for refugees. If he said something like areas of the world that are considered high risk or rampant with terrorism will get extreme vetting. Fine. But instead he went off on a tangent about Muslims, and then went on to tell the world how Christians are getting their heads chopped off, so Christian refugees will get prioritization.
excrement like that is going to make us absolutely loathed, and extremely ignorant to the entire world.
A lot of Trump's ideas "could" be very good if tweaked to not look horrible to the entire world
In the short term, yeah people will hate us, but so what? Obama was more concerned with how the people of other countries viewed him while other countries' leaders pretty much outsmarted him geopolitically.
This is a temporary ban on countries that have produced the most refugees over the years, and those countries hold a lot of intelligence on those refugees and visitors that I've read that they aren't allowed to disclose to us for religious reasons.
I don't care if students in Germany hate us. I care if world leaders, both friendly and unfriendly, fear and respect us. And the way things are trending in Europe, France and Germany may both end up with leaders who are polar opposites to Hollande and Merkel. It isn't just Americans that are tired of the west being a bunch of faggots.
Besides, the reason why many of these countries are fucked up is because of brain drains, meaning their intelligent, hardworking, and secular ones are leaving, and keeping their countries from being able to reform and get their excrement together.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2017, 04:39:31 PM
In the short term, yeah people will hate us, but so what? Obama was more concerned with how the people of other countries viewed him while other countries' leaders pretty much outsmarted him geopolitically.ignorance at its best.
This is a temporary ban on countries that have produced the most refugees over the years, and those countries hold a lot of intelligence on those refugees and visitors that I've read that they aren't allowed to disclose to us for religious reasons.
I don't care if students in Germany hate us. I care if world leaders, both friendly and unfriendly, fear and respect us. And the way things are trending in Europe, France and Germany may both end up with leaders who are polar opposites to Hollande and Merkel. It isn't just Americans that are tired of the west being a bunch of faggots.
Besides, the reason why many of these countries are fucked up is because of brain drains, meaning their intelligent, hardworking, and secular ones are leaving, and keeping their countries from being able to reform and get their excrement together.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 04:41:33 PM
ignorance at its best.
No one cares what Canada does. They don't matter. You also still have the Queen of England on your money. It's hilarious to be criticized by someone from a country that's barely independent.
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2017, 04:44:27 PM
No one cares what Canada does. They don't matter. You also still have the Queen of England on your money. It's hilarious to be criticized by someone from a country that's barely independent.lol..
even your troll jobs are sad.
try harder, dumbshit.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 04:44:56 PM
lol..
even your troll jobs are sad.
try harder, dumbshit.
I'm bored
Post by: MBGreen on January 28, 2017, 04:48:03 PM
I'm boredlet's go to Rick's
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 04:48:35 PM
let's go to Rick's
Too expensive now. Private Eyes!
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2017, 04:59:57 PM
let's go to Rick's
I like boobies
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 05:16:52 PM
What should Obama have done differently. No broad strokes. I would like specific examples of how he was a 'hoo-ha' and what you would have done differently.
We tried the 'We're 'Murica and we'll do whatever the freak we want!' for 8 years under Bush. Deny that it was a complete disaster from an economic and geopolitical standpoint. Please do. But explain to me how playing the world police strongman helped us in any way. I am all ears.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2017, 05:19:44 PM
While Bo's logic is unquestionable, I need to talk to Tommy for a second.
What should Obama have done differently. No broad strokes. I would like specific examples of how he was a 'hoo-ha' and what you would have done differently.
We tried the 'We're 'Murica and we'll do whatever the freak we want!' for 8 years under Bush. Deny that it was a complete disaster from an economic and geopolitical standpoint. Please do. But explain to me how playing the world police strongman helped us in any way. I am all ears.
Bush said we would be the world's police and hero but it absolutely wasn't were America well do whatever the hell we want.
9/11 changed the world, and Bush led the coalition. But the majority of what we did we did along with a lot of our allies.
What Trump is doing is absolutely not like what we did under Bush
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 05:25:12 PM
While Bo's logic is unquestionable, I need to talk to Tommy for a second.
What should Obama have done differently. No broad strokes. I would like specific examples of how he was a 'hoo-ha' and what you would have done differently.
We tried the 'We're 'Murica and we'll do whatever the freak we want!' for 8 years under Bush. Deny that it was a complete disaster from an economic and geopolitical standpoint. Please do. But explain to me how playing the world police strongman helped us in any way. I am all ears.
Obama tried to appease everyone, even Iran and Cuba. It's a sign of weakness that other countries take advantage of.
And as DCM said, Bush wasn't "America First", he was "Democracy and Western values first". Regime change and spreading democracy. I was an advocate for that at he time, but it obviously didn't work.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 05:27:18 PM
Bush said we would be the world's police and hero but it absolutely wasn't were America well do whatever the hell we want.
9/11 changed the world, and Bush led the coalition. But the majority of what we did we did along with a lot of our allies.
What Trump is doing is absolutely not like what we did under Bush
Bush's administration did whatever the hell they wanted on a global scale, and it severely weakened our alliances. The coalition for invading Afghanistan fell pretty much along NATO lines. The whole, if one country is attacked we are all attacked thing. The 'coalition' for invading Iraq is LOL funny if you look it up.
Agree with his methods or not, the world view among 'western' nations was very favorable under Obama.
My questions for Tommy were sort of Trump independent. Most rational people understand he is going to be the worst dumpster fire this country has ever seen.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 05:36:29 PM
Bush's administration did whatever the hell they wanted on a global scale, and it severely weakened our alliances. The coalition for invading Afghanistan fell pretty much along NATO lines. The whole, if one country is attacked we are all attacked thing. The 'coalition' for invading Iraq is LOL funny if you look it up.
Agree with his methods or not, the world view among 'western' nations was very favorable under Obama.
My questions for Tommy were sort of Trump independent. Most rational people understand he is going to be the worst dumpster fire this country has ever seen.
How was the coalition "LOL"? The UK, Australia, Poland, and Japan all contributed, as well as Kurdistan from the inside. I remember people freaking out just because France, Germany, and Russia were against the war. Well, who cares? The U.S. military is stronger that pretty much every other nation combined.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 05:36:45 PM
Obama tried to appease everyone, even Iran and Cuba. It's a sign of weakness that other countries take advantage of.
And as DCM said, Bush wasn't "America First", he was "Democracy and Western values first". Regime change and spreading democracy. I was an advocate for that at he time, but it obviously didn't work.
"Obama tried to appease everyone"
"What should Obama have done differently. No broad strokes. I would like specific examples of how he was a 'hoo-ha' and what you would have done differently."
That was the broadest stroke you could have come up with. Try again.
To you other point... Iran we could have a debate about. I am happy with how the western nations (not just us) decided to deal with them. I totally understand if you disagree, and that's OK. Cuba was a no brainer for the last 20 some odd years. They needed a time out and got one. They pose absolutely no threat to us, and there is no reason that we should not have normal relations with them. We have relations with far worse regimes, but they are not a long swim from Florida.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 05:37:46 PM
How was the coalition "LOL"? The UK, Australia, Poland, and Japan all contributed, as well as Kurdistan from the inside. I remember people freaking out just because France, Germany, and Russia were against the war. Well, who cares? The U.S. military is stronger that pretty much every other nation combined.
NATO didn't back us, and for good reason. Good thing we had Australia and Poland though.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 05:40:05 PM
"Obama tried to appease everyone"
"What should Obama have done differently. No broad strokes. I would like specific examples of how he was a 'hoo-ha' and what you would have done differently."
That was the broadest stroke you could have come up with. Try again.
To you other point... Iran we could have a debate about. I am happy with how the western nations (not just us) decided to deal with them. I totally understand if you disagree, and that's OK. Cuba was a no brainer for the last 20 some odd years. They needed a time out and got one. They pose absolutely no threat to us, and there is no reason that we should not have normal relations with them. We have relations with far worse regimes, but they are not a long swim from Florida.
Normalizing relations with Cuba just further legitimizes their regime. Castro is dead, and Raul isn't far behind. A few more years and they would've had their own revolution.
Post by: Tommy on January 28, 2017, 05:42:51 PM
NATO didn't back us, and for good reason. Good thing we had Australia and Poland though.
The countries that didn't back us had normal relations with Saddam's regime while we've been at war with them since pretty much the Persian gulf conflict. Don't forget that Clinton and Bush were bombing Saddam before 911. After the attacks things changed and we decided to leave nothing to chance.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 05:42:58 PM
Normalizing relations with Cuba just further legitimizes their regime. Castro is dead, and Raul isn't far behind. A few more years and they would've had their own revolution.
You're really not going to answer my initial question, are you?
In regards to Cuba, that has to be about the dumbest reasoning I have ever heard about pretty much anything.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2017, 05:43:15 PM
"Obama tried to appease everyone"
"What should Obama have done differently. No broad strokes. I would like specific examples of how he was a 'hoo-ha' and what you would have done differently."
That was the broadest stroke you could have come up with. Try again.
To you other point... Iran we could have a debate about. I am happy with how the western nations (not just us) decided to deal with them. I totally understand if you disagree, and that's OK. Cuba was a no brainer for the last 20 some odd years. They needed a time out and got one. They pose absolutely no threat to us, and there is no reason that we should not have normal relations with them. We have relations with far worse regimes, but they are not a long swim from Florida.
You're happy with how Obama gave Iran a 400 million dollar bribe, and how we effectively bent over for them?
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 05:46:00 PM
The countries that didn't back us had normal relations with Saddam's regime while we've been at war with them since pretty much the Persian gulf conflict. Don't forget that Clinton and Bush were bombing Saddam before 911. After the attacks things changed and we decided to leave nothing to chance.
Saddam was completely crippled. He posed no immediate threat to the west, had nothing at all to do with 911, and our major allies understood that. I don't want to go down this rabbit hole though, because it has nothing to do with what I asked you. Nice pivot.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 05:46:48 PM
You're happy with how Obama gave Iran a 400 million dollar bribe, and how we effectively bent over for them?
We owed them that money. I could care less how we finally paid them back. Do some research once in a while.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2017, 05:47:26 PM
NATO didn't back us, and for good reason. Good thing we had Australia and Poland though.
Russia and China were against it was their good reason.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 05:49:37 PM
Russia and China were against it was their good reason.
Or perhaps it was an unjust war that never should have happened? All of our major NATO allies, as well as Russia and China were against it. They were all right. Bush and his team were dead wrong.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2017, 05:50:42 PM
Or perhaps it was an unjust war that never should have happened? All of our major NATO allies, as well as Russia and China were against it. They were all right. Bush and his team were dead wrong.
Bushes team included Hillary Clinton and the rest of Congress and the Senate right?
Post by: Fenwyr on January 28, 2017, 05:54:02 PM
Bushes team included Hillary Clinton and the rest of Congress and the Senate right?
Yes. We know now that they were given wrong information, but based on that wrong information, everyone in congress is liable. Clinton was in the Senate, and the Senate is part of Congress BTW. Your sentence made my eyes bleed.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 28, 2017, 05:56:21 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2017, 05:57:34 PM
Yes. We know now that they were given wrong information, but based on that wrong information, everyone in congress is liable. Clinton was in the Senate, and the Senate is part of Congress BTW. Your sentence made my eyes bleed.
Clinton lied kids died
Post by: sg3 on January 28, 2017, 08:06:58 PM
Thank you ACLU
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2017, 09:03:52 PM
A Federal judge issued a stay tonight of Der Fuhrer Trumps ban on immigration based on religious affiliation
Thank you ACLU
You still haven't realized that no one reads these posts
Bless you
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2017, 09:10:23 PM
Normalizing relations with Cuba just further legitimizes their regime. Castro is dead, and Raul isn't far behind. A few more years and they would've had their own revolution.
The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War's been over for 20 years.
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2017, 09:11:56 PM
You still haven't realized that no one reads these posts
Bless you
That post was proof that sg3 of all people is more in tune with current events than most people.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 28, 2017, 09:18:35 PM
That post was proof that sg3 of all people is more in tune with current events than most people.
I could tell because of his use of hilarious nicknames
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2017, 10:08:36 PM
Matter of fact I'd imagine the market would take a hit all week
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2017, 11:57:44 PM
I'm expect the stock market to take a huge dump Monday after the cluster freak of unpredictability that came with Trump this weekend.
Matter of fact I'd imagine the market would take a hit all week
If that happens he'll call it fake news.
Post by: Tommy on January 29, 2017, 12:53:41 AM
I'm expect the stock market to take a huge dump Monday after the cluster freak of unpredictability that came with Trump this weekend.
Matter of fact I'd imagine the market would take a hit all week
Uh, nope. The Trump rally is going to continue for a few weeks at least.
Post by: JFIF on January 29, 2017, 03:45:24 AM
The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War's been over for 20 years.
It doesn't matter. That regime stole from people and murdered to create its own wealth and still uses its tourist dollars to create a military state.
This is one issue the right is actually correct on. People are very ill informed about Cuba's history, or don't respect it enough to enable and appease a dictator
Post by: JFIF on January 29, 2017, 03:48:18 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 29, 2017, 08:15:24 AM
Cuba is rife with human rights violations and Obama let himself be paraded around like a propaganda piece in front of Che Guevara memorials. Between not closing Guantanamo and trying to engage with Cuba in general, he absolutely failed in that regard.
People complain about Trump acting like he's still campaigning, but Obama's 8 years was like one long PR move for liberals.
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2017, 08:55:33 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 29, 2017, 09:18:33 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Tix2BUEAAuH4O.jpg)
Just making excrement up to keep the Muslims out. Doesn't help us fight terrorism - all it does is profile Muslims.
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2017, 09:28:10 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 29, 2017, 10:18:46 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-interest/
Lol communist propaganda, wait till the brownshirts see that.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 29, 2017, 10:30:35 AM
So the goal was to ban Muslims (as expected).
Again, the goal was not to protect our country in any tangible or proven way, just to ban brown people because Trump is a scared and incompetent racist.
Post by: sg3 on January 29, 2017, 11:41:25 AM
People complain about Trump acting like he's still campaigning, but Obama's 8 years was like one long PR move for liberals.People recognize Obama as a legitimate, intelligent and sane President
The Orange Clown has proven in only 9 days that he is NONE OF THE ABOVE
Post by: sg3 on January 29, 2017, 11:57:22 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3V7w9wWEAYesww.jpg:large)Excellent point
So the goal was to ban Muslims (as expected).
Again, the goal was not to protect our country in any tangible or proven way, just to ban brown people because Trump is a scared and incompetent racist.
Trumps purpose was a ban based on RELIGION which is as unconstitional and illegal as the sky is blue
Post by: dcm1602 on January 29, 2017, 12:45:59 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on January 29, 2017, 01:10:03 PM
It doesn't matter. That regime stole from people and murdered to create its own wealth and still uses its tourist dollars to create a military state.Saudi Arabia says hi.
This is one issue the right is actually correct on. People are very ill informed about Cuba's history, or don't respect it enough to enable and appease a dictator
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 29, 2017, 01:18:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3V7w9wWEAYesww.jpg:large)
So the goal was to ban Muslims (as expected).
Again, the goal was not to protect our country in any tangible or proven way, just to ban brown people because Trump is a scared and incompetent racist.
There were conflicting reports yesterday, but from what I can parse, an iraqi interpreter for our military over there, his wife and 2 small children were detained for 13 ours. Some reports say they green cards, but I'll let that go because of the whole conflicting thing.
The only thing this type of policy will do, and I guarantee it will, is inspire home grown terrorism. The border is not the issue. A wall will do nothing. The people that want to kill us already live here, or travel here legally.
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Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2017, 02:10:56 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 29, 2017, 03:23:30 PM
Trump put Bannon on the National Security Council, and left off the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as well as the Director of National Intelligence. This is truly, completely, batshit insane.
You need to calm down, man. He's just someone with no national intelligence, military, or foreign relations experience who just so happens to be the former editor-in-chief of an extreme right-wing website that publishes anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, xenophobic, white supremacist propaganda that's now being charged with advising the President of the United States on matters of national security. It's really nothing to be concerned about.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2017, 03:25:09 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 29, 2017, 03:44:43 PM
You need to calm down, man. He's just someone with no national intelligence, military, or foreign relations experience who just so happens to be the former editor-in-chief of an extreme right-wing website that publishes anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, xenophobic, white supremacist propaganda that's now being charged with advising the President of the United States on matters of national security. It's really nothing to be concerned about.Nothing to be worried about. Everything is fine! Gotta give him a chance! Obama was worse! And Hillary had e-mails! E-MAILS!!!
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2017, 04:11:14 PM
Nothing to be worried about. Everything is fine! Gotta give him a chance! Obama was worse! And Hillary had e-mails! E-MAILS!!!Trivializing Clinton's legitimate negatives doesn't help make your point.
Post by: Tommy on January 29, 2017, 06:53:33 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2017, 07:28:48 PM
https://nypost.com/2017/01/27/whistleblower-site-for-wells-fargo-workers-vanishes/
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/16/wells-fargo-is-on-a-losing-streak-but-still-has-some-trump-cards/
Post by: Tommy on January 29, 2017, 07:39:25 PM
Obviously these things are a complete coincidence, and there is nothing amiss here.
https://nypost.com/2017/01/27/whistleblower-site-for-wells-fargo-workers-vanishes/
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/16/wells-fargo-is-on-a-losing-streak-but-still-has-some-trump-cards/
I don't get it. How is it a conflict of interest, and how does Trump benefit by helping Wells Fargo? The loan is already there, so it's not like they can "forgive" the loan for some personal favor.
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2017, 07:53:54 PM
I don't get it. How is it a conflict of interest, and how does Trump benefit by helping Wells Fargo? The loan is already there, so it's not like they can "forgive" the loan for some personal favor.
The fact that you have to ask why a sitting President owing a significant debt to a financial organisation under investigation by the administration that he's in charge of is a conflict of interest makes you either incredibly stupid, or incredibly disingenuous. For all your faults, I don't think you're stupid.
And since when can they not choose to forgive a loan?
And hey, maybe it is just a coincidence. Let's go with that. Why would the White House remove the facility for whistleblowers to assist with an investigation into a colossal financial defrauding of American citizens?
Post by: Tommy on January 29, 2017, 08:01:39 PM
The fact that you have to ask why a sitting President owing a significant debt to a financial organisation under investigation by the administration that he's in charge of is a conflict of interest makes you either incredibly stupid, or incredibly disingenuous. For all your faults, I don't think you're stupid.
And since when can they not choose to forgive a loan?
And hey, maybe it is just a coincidence. Let's go with that. Why would the White House remove the facility for whistleblowers to assist with an investigation into a colossal financial defrauding of American citizens?
I don't think a major bank's shareholders would take kindly to them forgiving hundreds of millions of dollars in contracted commercial real estate debt, which is incredibly rare by the way. The fact that you're even suggested something like that would happen means you're all-in on a baseless conspiracy.
And I don't know the answer to your last question. Trump's pick for Labor dept head hasn't even been confirmed yet.
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2017, 08:10:06 PM
I don't think a major bank's shareholders would take kindly to them forgiving hundreds of millions of dollars in contracted commercial real estate debt, which is incredibly rare by the way. The fact that you're even suggested something like that would happen means you're all-in on a baseless conspiracy.
I'm not suggesting they'll write it off, I'm saying that your assertion that "it's not like they can forgive the debt" is obviously wrong - it's their debt and theoretically they can do anything they want with it. However, as the article itself makes very clear it's a short term interest only arrangement which means that the principal is untouched and it's going to be up for renegotiation at some point in the relatively near future. I don't know Tommy, what possible motive could he have for making a massive investigation into their wrongdoings quietly go away?
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And I don't know the answer to your last question. Trump's pick for Labor dept head hasn't even been confirmed yet.
Is it not under the remit of Treasury? Still, same point would stand given Mnuchin is not yet confirmed. So presumably your belief is that with no new boss, the management team left over from the previous administration have just unilaterally decided that the whole Wells Fargo investigation was an Obama witch hunt and they're glad to see the back of it?
Post by: Tommy on January 29, 2017, 08:14:33 PM
I'm not suggesting they'll write it off, I'm saying that your assertion that "it's not like they can forgive the debt" is obviously wrong - it's their debt and theoretically they can do anything they want with it. However, as the article itself makes very clear it's a short term interest only arrangement which means that the principal is untouched and it's going to be up for renegotiation at some point in the relatively near future. I don't know Tommy, what possible motive could he have for making a massive investigation into their wrongdoings quietly go away?
Is it not under the remit of Treasury? Still, same point would stand given Mnuchin is not yet confirmed. So presumably your belief is that with no new boss, the management team left over from the previous administration have just unilaterally decided that the whole Wells Fargo investigation was an Obama witch hunt and they're glad to see the back of it?
I honestly don't think either party would risk a major scandal like that so Trump can pay half a percentage less on the next go around.
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2017, 08:17:01 PM
I honestly don't think either party would risk a major scandal like that so Trump can pay half a percentage less on the next go around.
LOLOL
I'm going to play video games now as it's a more productive use of my time.
Post by: Tommy on January 29, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
LOLOL
I'm going to play video games now as it's a more productive use of my time.
Do you play wearing a tinfoil hat?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 29, 2017, 08:31:36 PM
Is it really necessary to make up conspiracy theories to criticize him for as well ? I can assure you theres more than plenty of bad things you can already say about him that are completely true
Post by: Tommy on January 29, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Trumps doing plenty of REALLY stupid excrement that he deserves to be heavily criticized for.
Is it really necessary to make up conspiracy theories to criticize him for as well ? I can assure you theres more than plenty of bad things you can already say about him that are completely true
Yeah, I don't get why people keep reaching to find potential conflicts of interest.
I don't know about "dumb excrement" in the last week, but reorganizing his national intelligence committee is a bit of a head scratcher. Unless he finds the current committee ineffective, and shorten the decision making process.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 29, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
Yeah, I don't get why people keep reaching to find potential conflicts of interest.
I don't know about "dumb excrement" in the last week, but reorganizing his national intelligence committee is a bit of a head scratcher. Unless he finds the current committee ineffective, and shorten the decision making process.
I think its ridicioulous when MSNBC is flipping out that Trump a billionare, has 15-30k in stock in the freaking oil company that got the pipeline deal.
Im not saying that corruption isnt realistic and possible, because I believe the govt is generally shitty and corrupt.
But at least be realistic when making accusations.
If Trump owed Wells Fargo 400 million and then wrote an executive order for some huge bailout just for them that was unprecedented of course that should be a red flag. But this excrement is just that, excrement
Post by: Miamipuck on January 29, 2017, 09:04:09 PM
I bet you wonder why everyone thinks you're a freaking twit.
Post by: Pope on January 29, 2017, 09:30:08 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 29, 2017, 09:39:11 PM
Yeah 15-30m is no big deal, chump change. Nobody would ever get influence for such a miniscule amount.He said 15-30k not million.
I bet you wonder why everyone thinks you're a freaking twit.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 29, 2017, 09:55:47 PM
Yeah 15-30m is no big deal, chump change. Nobody would ever get influence for such a miniscule amount.
I bet you wonder why everyone thinks you're a freaking twit.
K stands for thousand not million.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 29, 2017, 10:03:46 PM
Post by: Badger on January 29, 2017, 10:32:51 PM
Why do they make it so easy?
Post by: Johnny English on January 29, 2017, 10:58:07 PM
http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/01/sean-spicer-retweets-the-onion-calling-job-misinformation.html
Why do they make it so easy?
That's freaking amazing.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 30, 2017, 12:11:24 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 30, 2017, 12:49:35 AM
K stands for thousand not million.
In finance 30m is thirty thousand, your opinion is absolutely freaking retarded, please shut your freaking mouth.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 30, 2017, 12:50:36 AM
He said 15-30k not million.
freak off m= 1000
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2017, 03:44:03 AM
freak off m= 1000I guess we are posting on jetfinance.com or romannumeraloffensive.com and not a freaking football site where everyone else thinks m is million. Go try on shoes. Maybe some size 15m ones.
Post by: sg3 on January 30, 2017, 06:15:41 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2017, 06:19:09 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 30, 2017, 06:50:55 AM
I guess we are posting on jetfinance.com or romannumeraloffensive.com and not a freaking football site where everyone else thinks m is million. Go try on shoes. Maybe some size 15m ones.
too big poopchute
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 07:05:19 AM
In finance 30m is thirty thousand, your opinion is absolutely freaking retarded, please shut your freaking mouth.
A guy like trump isn't going to be influenced and risk ethics violations over 15-30m in shares, especially when he probably doesn't even know he owns them.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 30, 2017, 07:13:14 AM
A guy like trump isn't going to be influenced and risk ethics violations over 15-30m in shares, especially when he probably doesn't even know he owns them.
Then why doesn't he divest? Because it looks bad no matter how monumentally stupid the opinion is that 15-30m is a nominal amount that would never influence a billionaires decision.
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 07:16:47 AM
Then why doesn't he divest? Because it looks bad no matter how monumentally stupid the opinion is that 15-30m is a nominal amount that would never influence a billionaires decision.
Why should he divest? He's under no obligation to do so. Most members of the senate and congress also have holdings, 401ks, etc. And billionaires with holdings all over the place are definitely not going to be influenced by the tiny stakes in the hundreds of companies that they're invested in.
Post by: Pope on January 30, 2017, 07:58:59 AM
I'm beginning to believe that if Trump announced he was invading the Rheinland and Poland and building extermination camps at Auschwitz for Muslims and other ethnic groups he doesn't care for, Tommy would post his approval at JOAre you capable of posting like a sane person?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 30, 2017, 08:26:07 AM
Are you capable of posting like a sane person?
He's junc
Post by: dcm1602 on January 30, 2017, 08:30:10 AM
Then why doesn't he divest? Because it looks bad no matter how monumentally stupid the opinion is that 15-30m is a nominal amount that would never influence a billionaires decision.
First off its not million it's thousand.
Secondly 30 million is 0.8% of his net worth so even if it was 30 million (it's not) . The equivalent would be a normal person having less than 1000$ of stock in a company.
And what do you think the stocks going to increase 2 or 3 fold because of this contract? It'll probably get a nice little boost sure, but I strongly doubt the stock would even double because of this news
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2017, 08:32:49 AM
dcm mode engaged
He's junc
dcm mode disengaged
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 30, 2017, 12:21:21 PM
"Well I'm a big UFC fan so I can't boycott that"
"Oh man, you know I can't survive without Amazon"
"Uber and Coors, freak them. fascists!"
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2017, 12:36:17 PM
people on my Facebook replying to a post picking what companies to boycott in order to protest trump:
"Well I'm a big UFC fan so I can't boycott that"
"Oh man, you know I can't survive without Amazon"
"Uber and Coors, freak them. fascists!"
Make sure they also know to boycott the New York Jets and the New England Patriots.
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 02:25:51 PM
people on my Facebook replying to a post picking what companies to boycott in order to protest trump:
"Well I'm a big UFC fan so I can't boycott that"
"Oh man, you know I can't survive without Amazon"
"Uber and Coors, freak them. fascists!"
The Uber boycott was the dumbest thing. Yeah, freak those travelers who just wanted to go home after a long fight and didn't want to stick around the airport to protest.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2017, 02:27:24 PM
The Uber boycott was the dumbest thing. Yeah, freak those travelers who just wanted to go home after a long fight and didn't want to stick around the airport to protest.
your new avatar is great.
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2017, 02:48:30 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on January 30, 2017, 02:53:51 PM
Really wish people would stop calling this latest executive order a "Muslim Ban", when it just temporarily bans visas being issued to people from 7 countries that were listen as "countries of concern" by Obama and Congress in 2015 when he signed a law limiting visas to people from said countries.He is also in the process of shutting down visa waivers from dozens of other countries. Not muslim countries, just brownish countries.
But to the original issue. It is a freaking muslim ban. There is no arguing that. A freaking muslim ban that lets Saudis walk right in.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 30, 2017, 02:54:59 PM
Sean Spicer used the Quebec City attack on a mosque (which was carried about by a far right white supremacist French-Canadian with expressed support for Trump and Le Pen) as a justification for banning Muslims from entering the US. That's some tortured logic even by President Bannon's standards.Sean Spicer is a spineless piece of excrement.
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Post by: Miamipuck on January 30, 2017, 04:17:49 PM
First off its not million it's thousand.
Secondly 30 million is 0.8% of his net worth so even if it was 30 million (it's not) . The equivalent would be a normal person having less than 1000$ of stock in a company.
And what do you think the stocks going to increase 2 or 3 fold because of this contract? It'll probably get a nice little boost sure, but I strongly doubt the stock would even double because of this news
You're a freaking twit do not reply to me. I would break your jaw if you were in front of me right now. Seriously you are dumb.
Do not tell me what rich people would and would not do because you know freak all .
Post by: dcm1602 on January 30, 2017, 04:34:57 PM
You're a freaking twit do not reply to me. I would break your jaw if you were in front of me right now. Seriously you are dumb.
Do not tell me what rich people would and would not do because you know freak all .
You're a freaking twit do not reply to me. I would break your jaw if you were in front of me right now. Seriously you are dumb.
Do not tell me what rich people would and would not do because you know freak all .
Regardless we're arguing about nonsense on incorrect facts, kinda stupid
Post by: Pope on January 30, 2017, 05:57:19 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2017, 06:22:51 PM
You're a freaking twit do not reply to me. I would break your jaw if you were in front of me right now. Seriously you are dumb.Calm down old man.
Do not tell me what rich people would and would not do because you know freak all .
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2017, 07:42:52 PM
The US tech industry versus the US government is going to be a fun fight to watch.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 30, 2017, 07:44:33 PM
You're a freaking twit do not reply to me. I would break your jaw if you were in front of me right now. Seriously you are dumb.
Do not tell me what rich people would and would not do because you know freak all .
savage puck is awesome
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 30, 2017, 07:54:15 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 07:55:34 PM
The big 5 tech stocks lost $32B today off the back of the immigration ban. Brin already announced that Google was setting up a fund to fight it, and Bezos announced that he's putting the weight of Amazon's legal team behind the Washington State AG's suit. Cook, Zuckerberg and Hastings have all stated their opposition but not to my knowledge put anything concrete into it yet.
The US tech industry versus the US government is going to be a fun fight to watch.
I can't imagine many Silicon Valley employees being from countries like Sudan, Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Yemen, or Syria.
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2017, 08:04:49 PM
I can't imagine many Silicon Valley employees being from countries like Sudan, Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Yemen, or Syria.
That's because you don't know much about the tech sector, clearly. I realise you think that everyone in the Middle East is either an oil sheikh or running around in sandals waving an AK-47, but the tech sector employs a huge amount of people from the region. I have two engineers from Syria and one from Libya working in my immediate team, and you can't be so dumb as to think that other people from the Middle East and Africa aren't looking at this move and wonder if they're next.
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 08:06:36 PM
That's because you don't know much about the tech sector, clearly. I realise you think that everyone in the Middle East is either an oil sheikh or running around in sandals waving an AK-47, but the tech sector employs a huge amount of people from the region. I have two engineers from Syria and one from Libya working in my immediate team, and you can't be so dumb as to think that other people from the Middle East and Africa aren't looking at this move and wonder if they're next.
Fair enough.
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 30, 2017, 08:28:32 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 08:34:23 PM
Dictator Trump really making a lot of friends in his first 2 weeks.
She was on her way out anyway, so she probably just wanted to have a last word.
Post by: ons on January 30, 2017, 09:03:01 PM
This is true, but times change. Different conditions exist now that didn't 200 years ago. It applies to both sides of the aisle politically. Take gun laws. Fully automatic assault rifles weren't a concern in Thomas Jefferson's time. That's why many think gun control is important when it wasn't a long time ago.
I think we should keep as many of the principles that America was built on as possible, but at the same time we have to adapt when conditions change. I certainly don't have all the answers, neither does Trump. We have to be a place of opportunity, but if we fall apart financially we won't be doing a lot of good to anyone. However we can't close up shop and be hermits either. Happy medium.
There have always been extremely valid and legitimate sounding excuses to excusing America's inability to live up to our ideals.
“Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it, 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read, 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.” - President Lincoln
"[Anne Frank's Father's] efforts to get his family to the United States ran afoul of restrictive American immigration policies designed to protect national security and guard against an influx of foreigners during time of war. The State Department frequently reduced the number of immigration visas granted below the annual quota levels (set for each European nation by the basic immigration law) by enforcing strict immigration regulations. Those seeking to save themselves had to search for credible American sponsors, accumulate funds for overseas travel and convince American consuls and State Department officials that they would be a benefit, and not a burden or a threat to the country."
It has always been easy to keep people out of our nation or treat foreigners differently in order to protect the easiness of our life. It doesn't make it American, and it doesn't make it right.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 30, 2017, 09:07:15 PM
"It's going to win big at the box office, folks."
Post by: ons on January 30, 2017, 09:16:32 PM
I'm expect the stock market to take a huge dump Monday after the cluster freak of unpredictability that came with Trump this weekend.
Matter of fact I'd imagine the market would take a hit all week
Uh, nope. The Trump rally is going to continue for a few weeks at least.
When DCM is better at making correct political and economic predictions than you are...
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 09:21:52 PM
When DCM is better at making correct political and economic predictions than you are...
lol
The Dow and S&P were both down 0.6%. You call that a tanking?
You're a moron.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 30, 2017, 09:27:20 PM
Post by: ons on January 30, 2017, 09:27:30 PM
lol
The Dow and S&P were both down 0.6%. You call that a tanking?
You're a moron.
Biggest one day drop since before the election, tell me more how this is the continuation of a "Trump Rally"
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 09:32:14 PM
Biggest one day drop since before the election, tell me more how this is the continuation of a "Trump Rally"
Biggest one day drop in the last 8 days? lol
It was a little more than half a percentage point. Jesus. At least wait until the end of the week before you try and claim I was wrong.
Post by: ons on January 30, 2017, 09:32:42 PM
Biggest one day drop in the last 8 days? lol
Election happened in November
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 09:36:38 PM
Election happened in November
Even more to my point. A half a point drop in one day since DJIA was in the low 18,000s isn't the "end of the rally".
Sit down. The market doesn't move in a straight line.
Post by: Pope on January 30, 2017, 09:37:53 PM
That's because you don't know much about the tech sector, clearly. I realise you think that everyone in the Middle East is either an oil sheikh or running around in sandals waving an AK-47, but the tech sector employs a huge amount of people from the region. I have two engineers from Syria and one from Libya working in my immediate team, and you can't be so dumb as to think that other people from the Middle East and Africa aren't looking at this move and wonder if they're next.
I'm sorry but the Middle East has very little technical influence.
Post by: ons on January 30, 2017, 09:39:52 PM
The market doesn't move in a straight line.
"The Trump rally is going to continue for a few weeks at least."
I'm glad you can criticise me for oversimplifying the complexities of the market without any hypocrisy or irony
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 09:42:36 PM
"The Trump rally is going to continue for a few weeks at least."
I'm glad you can criticise me for oversimplifying the complexities of the market without any hypocrisy or irony
It will. One day's trading level doesn't change that. If your portfolio is up 6% for the year, and goes down half a percentage point in one day would you pull your money out? Do you understand anything about the financial markets? Christ. Sit down, seriously. If you want to make an informed argument about why you think the Trump Rally will end, then go ahead, but don't give me one day's trading level as proof that it's over.
Post by: ons on January 30, 2017, 09:44:20 PM
The peso is getting crushed in the currency markets. I'm sure Mexico's white super upper class is happy with their President right now.
https://www.fxstreet.com/news/mexican-peso-strongest-currency-in-the-world-last-week-bbh-201701301458
I'm sure they are.
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 09:49:44 PM
Speaking of which
https://www.fxstreet.com/news/mexican-peso-strongest-currency-in-the-world-last-week-bbh-201701301458
I'm sure they are.
Dude, please, just stop.
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Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2017, 09:50:26 PM
I'm sorry but the Middle East has very little technical influence.
I don't know who you work for so I can't speak to your experience, but working for a fairly large (as in the billions) global software vendor I can tell you that Middle Eastern developers are a huge part of both my company and my sector.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2017, 09:52:42 PM
I don't know who you work for so I can't speak to your experience, but working for a fairly large (as in the billions) global software vendor I can tell you that Middle Eastern developers are a huge part of both my company and my sector.
I've spoken to local IT recruiters regarding DBA positions in UAE and in Dubai. I wouldn't call it Silicon Valley, but there's certainly a significant tech presence in the middle east.
Post by: ons on January 30, 2017, 09:54:11 PM
Dude, please, just stop.
I'm sorry, I thought you were under the impression one should wait until financial markets stabilize after short-term falls before making judgments about future market trends.
Except when it benefits your own rhetoric, when you claim without any evidence that there will automatically be weeks long growth.
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2017, 09:57:43 PM
Even the Koch brothers came out against the immigration ban.
Post by: Pope on January 30, 2017, 09:59:42 PM
I've spoken to local IT recruiters regarding DBA positions in UAE and in Dubai. I wouldn't call it Silicon Valley, but there's certainly a significant tech presence in the middle east.Is there a need for software and for tech JOBS in the Middle East? Well yeah they have a freak ton of money. Are they influencing the tech landscape? No.
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 10:01:15 PM
I'm sorry, I thought you were under the impression one should wait until financial markets stabilize after short-term falls before making judgments about future market trends.
Except when it benefits your own rhetoric, when you claim without any evidence that there will automatically be weeks long growth.
The peso has been tanking for years. Yeah, it makes Mexican exports cheaper, but when threatened with border taxes it pretty much nullifies that advantage, not to mention make it way more expensive for the Mexican elite to invest overseas.
The peso tanked short term as a result of the president's spat with Trump, and it will continue to fall. You linked to a short term rally from fresh lows reached after the whole thing last week. Yeah it was the best performing currency, but it was a rebound.
Stop googling stuff to try and prove me wrong.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
Is there a need for software and for tech JOBS in the Middle East? Well yeah they have a freak ton of money. Are they influencing the tech landscape? No.
I'm going to be honest, i'm not privvy to what they're doing out there tech-wise. Whether it's innovation or strictly grunt work. All i know is if you're in I.T. and you want to work in that area, it's not hard to land contract employment.
Post by: Pope on January 30, 2017, 10:04:13 PM
I'm going to be honest, i'm not privvy to what they're doing out there tech-wise. Whether it's innovation or strictly grunt work.I've never been there so I'm not exactly the authority. I just know from experience that I've never worked with a single vendor or contact based in the Middle East. Could go into more detail but these political threads are too exhausting so I'll leave it at that.
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 10:04:23 PM
There was an interesting article on fivethirtyeight today about how the markets were excited about Trump because Republican businessman equates to lower taxes, less red tape yada yada yada, but this weekend was the first time people went "wait, he was freaking serious about that excrement he said to get elected?"
Even the Koch brothers came out against the immigration ban.
The Koch brothers have been anti-Trump since he declared. And business and market friendly policies will have a positive effect on stocks, and if I were an investor I would be encouraged that he will fulfill his promises of reducing regulations and lower taxes. That's at least what's being said on the street.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2017, 10:05:04 PM
The peso has been tanking for years. Yeah, it makes Mexican exports cheaper, but when threatened with border taxes it pretty much nullifies that advantage, not to mention make it way more expensive for the Mexican elite to invest overseas.
The peso tanked short term as a result of the president's spat with Trump, and it will continue to fall. You linked to a short term rally from fresh lows reached after the whole thing last week. Yeah it was the best performing currency, but it was a rebound.
Stop googling stuff to try and prove me wrong.
With all due respect, Tommy...you've been wrong since Trump started on the campaign trail.
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 10:06:07 PM
With all due respect, Tommy...you've been wrong since Trump started on the campaign trail.
Wrong about what? I was one of the only ones who predicted that he would win.
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
I've never been there so I'm not exactly the authority. I just know from experience that I've never worked with a single vendor or contact based in the Middle East. Could go into more detail but these political threads are too exhausting so I'll leave it at that.
If any country in the Middle East can claim to be a tech center it would be Israel.
Post by: MBGreen on January 30, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
I've never been there so I'm not exactly the authority. I just know from experience that I've never worked with a single vendor or contact based in the Middle East. Could go into more detail but these political threads are too exhausting so I'll leave it at that.
the only vendors i've dealt with overseas were based in India (Oracle support) and New Zealand.
Post by: ons on January 30, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
Stop googling stuff to try and prove me wrong.
Haha, nice projecting!
Keep up your faith in our president to govern over a prosperous, safe, and stable eight years, just like your well-founded faith in the previous Republican administration to do the same. I'm looking forward to once again hearing admissions of being wrong from 'moderate/libertarian' Republicans like you 15 years after the fact.
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2017, 10:19:33 PM
If any country in the Middle East can claim to be a tech center it would be Israel.
In terms of companies, absolutely. Israel has created a lot of important tech companies. The level of tech expertise coming out of the region though is widely distributed. It's a way out for a lot of people.
Post by: Tommy on January 30, 2017, 10:25:45 PM
In terms of companies, absolutely. Israel has created a lot of important tech companies. The level of tech expertise coming out of the region though is widely distributed. It's a way out for a lot of people.
Not to change the subject, but I feel that line of thinking from those people is what keeps these countries in a perpetual state of backwardness and chaos. The "brain drain" where the smart ones try and come here, but leave behind all the uneducated zealots. Then again most of the 911 hijackers were educated and came from upper to middle class families, so a lot of it doesn't make any sense.
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2017, 10:44:03 PM
Not to change the subject, but I feel that line of thinking from those people is what keeps these countries in a perpetual state of backwardness and chaos. The "brain drain" where the smart ones try and come here, but leave behind all the uneducated zealots. Then again most of the 911 hijackers were educated and came from upper to middle class families, so a lot of it doesn't make any sense.
Except that people get educated and go and work for American or British or Canadian companies, and then some of them go back home with their expertise and their experience and their relative wealth and they tap into the resources that they know are there that most outside their country don't, and they build companies and they provide employment and they help to create sustainable economies and societies. Preventing them from doing so is incredibly counterproductive.
I have a much, much bigger issue - and much more sympathy with Trump - with work being shipped off to Bangalore coding houses to do sloppy jobs for pennies on the dollar, than I do with good quality engineers being given the opportunity to work and grow in our countries.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 30, 2017, 11:43:13 PM
She was on her way out anyway, so she probably just wanted to have a last word.
....
she, being a trained lawyer, did not defend trump's EO because she didn't find it legal, and she was fired for that. this wasn't her opposing trump simply because she was on her way out anyways, and to simplify the situation to that is ridiculous.
she as the acting attorney general has a role of upholding the law in accordance with the law. trump literally let her go because she didn't obey him, when her job isn't to blindly obey whatever the president does, but to uphold the law.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 30, 2017, 11:47:16 PM
the start to his presidency has been absolutely shambolic, and there is nothing, nothing he could ever possibly do to overcome how much of a disgrace he has made of himself and of this country within the past week.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 31, 2017, 12:03:36 AM
just a week ago i was able to sarcastically proclaim how great of a leader trump will be for america as a coping mechanism for his election as president. in just a matter of days he has been able to take that away, you can't even joke about this stuff anymore.
the start to his presidency has been absolutely shambolic, and there is nothing, nothing he could ever possibly do to overcome how much of a disgrace he has made of himself and of this country within the past week.
Agreed
Post by: JFIF on January 31, 2017, 04:31:13 AM
Post by: Tommy on January 31, 2017, 08:16:41 AM
....
she, being a trained lawyer, did not defend trump's EO because she didn't find it legal, and she was fired for that. this wasn't her opposing trump simply because she was on her way out anyways, and to simplify the situation to that is ridiculous.
she as the acting attorney general has a role of upholding the law in accordance with the law. trump literally let her go because she didn't obey him, when her job isn't to blindly obey whatever the president does, but to uphold the law.
Give me a break. She knew she was on her way out, so this was a political move, nothing more.
Here's what Jonathan Adler had to say about it in the Washington Post:
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"A few quick observations. First, the statement [AAG Yate's statement] seems to indicate that the executive order was reviewed by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which apparently concluded that the executive order was lawful. Second, Yates does not claim that she cannot defend the executive order because it is unconstitutional or because the Justice Department would be unable to offer good-faith arguments in defense of its legality. To the contrary, Yates claims she is ordering the Justice Department not to defend the executive order because it is not “wise or just.” This is quite significant. I am not aware of any instance in which the Justice Department has refused to defend a presumptively lawful executive action on this basis."
She didn't call it "unlawful". She read through it and disagreed with it on moral grounds, not legal. She didn't do her job, so she got fired and replaced.
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 31, 2017, 09:17:47 AM
Give me a break. She knew she was on her way out, so this was a political move, nothing more.
Here's what Jonathan Adler had to say about it in the Washington Post:
She didn't call it "unlawful". She read through it and disagreed with it on moral grounds, not legal. She didn't do her job, so she got fired and replaced.
you have got to be kidding me, there are insane comprehension issues with whoever wrote that blurb if that is what they got after reading her statement. not only did yates explain that the office of legal counsel's role is different, and much narrower than hers, in determining matters like this, yates in her own words said she couldn't defend the EO because she wasn't convinced it was legally defensible, or lawful.
but yeah, she only did what she did on the basis of her own moral grounds lol. on another note, god forbid an AG ever potentially acts upon morality when trying to determine if something is 'wise or just', correct?
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 31, 2017, 09:20:42 AM
do you not understand that trump is trying to run this country like an authoritarian
Post by: Tommy on January 31, 2017, 09:30:23 AM
you have got to be kidding me, there are insane comprehension issues with whoever wrote that blurb if that is what they got after reading her statement. not only did yates explain that the office of legal counsel's role is different, and much narrower than hers, in determining matters like this, yates in her own words said she couldn't defend the EO because she wasn't convinced it was legally defensible, or lawful.
but yeah, she only did what she did on the basis of her own moral grounds lol. on another note, god forbid an AG ever potentially acts upon morality when trying to determine if something is 'wise or just', correct?
No, she said she wasn't "convinced" that it was lawful. That's different.
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OLC’s review is limited to the narrow question of whether, in OLC’s view, a proposed Executive Order is lawful on its face and properly drafted. Its review does not take account of statements made by an administration or it surrogates close in time to the issuance of an Executive Order that may bear on the order’s purpose. And importantly, it does not address whether any policy choice embodied in an Executive Order is wise or just.
It's not her position to decide if an order is "wise or just". Only that it is lawful. The Office of Legal Counsel already ruled it lawful, and her job is to make sure it's properly enacted. No where does she say that the order is unlawful, she's just giving her opinion that she doesn't believe in it.
Post by: Tommy on January 31, 2017, 09:35:37 AM
what we have here is trump's executive branch not understanding how the judicial branch or even our nation's checks and balances system works. a federal court in NY friday ruled that the EO was unlawful, and granted a national stay against it. the trump administration came out and said they would enforce the EO despite their ruling. last night, yates was fired for doing her job because it was disobedient to trump's wishes.
do you not understand that trump is trying to run this country like an authoritarian
No, the federal court in Brooklyn only issued an emergency ruling to prevent the deportation of those who arrived from the banned countries after the order was signed from being deported. They did not, and don't even have a say on whether an executive order is unconstitutional. The judge can't just order customs officials at JFK from allowing those from the banned countries to enter. That's not how it works.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2017, 11:22:29 AM
Even more to my point. A half a point drop in one day since DJIA was in the low 18,000s isn't the "end of the rally".
Sit down. The market doesn't move in a straight line.
I wouldn't have called it much of a bold prediction let alone a political one. But it's pretty clear with back to back days of" decent" drops, that the markets are finally realizing that Trump is not going to be predictable and is causing some chaos.
The question is how far will it go
Post by: Tommy on January 31, 2017, 12:02:13 PM
I wouldn't have called it much of a bold prediction let alone a political one. But it's pretty clear with back to back days of" decent" drops, that the markets are finally realizing that Trump is not going to be predictable and is causing some chaos.
The question is how far will it go
These two days don't prove anything. You're taking an extremely short term view on the markets.
Post by: Pope on January 31, 2017, 02:13:23 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 31, 2017, 02:15:55 PM
I think the markets were impacted by the break of the 20k barrier on the DJI with people selling high. It will probably rebound in a day or two.
It's also earnings season, so investors respond more to earnings than what's going on in Washington.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2017, 03:01:40 PM
Post by: Tommy on January 31, 2017, 03:36:39 PM
Of course, the markets are complicated and there's a ton of excrement that impacts them. But I'd say if the market goes down all week there's a good chance Trump is part of that problem
The markets are banking on his tax cuts and also modifying Dodd-Frank, which he said he'll do. It's certainly part of the reason why the markets have been moving upwards over the last few months, but that should continue unless the street sees a lot of resistance to his tax cuts and regulation-loosening plans. Obviously all the drama right now doesn't help, as investors are probably holding back until things settle, but once they do settle there's really no reason for the markets to tank, especially since we're going to continue to see positive earnings results. Also, a lot of bargain hunters out there that'll probably drive the Dow back up to 20k by week's end.
Post by: sg3 on January 31, 2017, 03:42:28 PM
He promised to unite all the Nations of the world.
And he did it
In only 11 days, the Nations of Europe, the Americas, Asia, the Middle East, Africa all have come together as one
In opposition to Donald J Trump
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2017, 07:22:44 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2017, 07:49:37 PM
The EU today officially declared the Trump administration a threat, alongside China, Russia and radical Islam.
The European Union isnt looking pretty these days
I also like the irony point out their major refugee crisis, while people over here are flipping out the United States should have open borders
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2017, 07:51:09 PM
The European Union isnt looking pretty these days
I also like the irony point out their major refugee crisis, while people over here are flipping out the United States should have open borders
This post makes no sense.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2017, 07:53:05 PM
This post makes no sense.
The EU is in shambles
And has a refugee problem (per the article)
Post by: Tommy on January 31, 2017, 08:08:08 PM
The EU is in shambles
And has a refugee problem (per the article)
Yeah the EU may not even exist in a few years. Who cares what they think?
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2017, 08:08:28 PM
The EU is in shambles
And has a refugee problem (per the article)
The world has a refugee problem. It's creating too many refugees and not looking after them.
Post by: insanity on January 31, 2017, 08:11:15 PM
The world has a refugee problem. It's creating too many refugees and not looking after them.
And this will only get worse.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2017, 08:19:27 PM
The world has a refugee problem. It's creating too many refugees and not looking after them.
Doing something about it is fine. Pooling resources and developing rules and a system could (maybe) solve it.
Bend over say hurray open borders and do nothing just creates chaos.
What Trumps doing is absolutely not the solution either
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2017, 08:23:56 PM
Doing something about it is fine. Pooling resources and developing rules and a system could (maybe) solve it.
Bend over say hurray open borders and do nothing just creates chaos.
What Trumps doing is absolutely not the solution either
The way to solve it is to not create refugees.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2017, 08:25:08 PM
The way to solve it is to not create refugees.
I'll concede complete ignorance on the subject, but I doubt there's too many refugees coming out of the USA
Post by: Johnny English on January 31, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
I'll concede complete ignorance on the subject, but I doubt there's too many refugees coming out of the USA
Unlikely, given to my knowledge there's currently no war or natural disaster displacing people anywhere in the US. However, that doesn't mean that the US has no part in creating refugees from other countries, because pretty much every country in the West has some degree of responsibility.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 31, 2017, 08:32:33 PM
Unlikely, given to my knowledge there's currently no war or natural disaster displacing people anywhere in the US. However, that doesn't mean that the US has no part in creating refugees from other countries, because pretty much every country in the West has some degree of responsibility.
Of course
But I would imagine for most countries its a relatively insignificant amount, at least comparatively to other reasons
Post by: Johnny English on February 01, 2017, 09:05:02 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 01, 2017, 09:08:48 AM
http://www.jeffpearlman.com/the-eerie-parallels-between-president-trump-and-usfl-owner-trump/Fascinating.
Post by: Tommy on February 01, 2017, 09:24:23 AM
Unlikely, given to my knowledge there's currently no war or natural disaster displacing people anywhere in the US. However, that doesn't mean that the US has no part in creating refugees from other countries, because pretty much every country in the West has some degree of responsibility.
Wouldn't it make more sense to have the western countries come together and help negotiate peace, or provide military assistance to stop the fighting so that people wouldn't have to flee? Sort of like what NATO did in Bosnia and Kosovo in the 90s.
Post by: Jetaho on February 01, 2017, 11:34:21 AM
Wouldn't it make more sense to have the western countries come together and help negotiate peace, or provide military assistance to stop the fighting so that people wouldn't have to flee? Sort of like what NATO did in Bosnia and Kosovo in the 90s.Wait, I thought we no longer had a need for NATO and the United Nations, and we were just going to close our borders and let them sort it out for themselves. When/how do we take their oil?
Post by: Tommy on February 01, 2017, 12:20:48 PM
Wait, I thought we no longer had a need for NATO and the United Nations, and we were just going to close our borders and let them sort it out for themselves. When/how do we take their oil?
Who said we need NATO? A simple coalition of a few countries would be fine.
Post by: Johnny English on February 01, 2017, 12:45:28 PM
Who said we need NATO? A simple coalition of a few countries would be fine.
Um..... what do you think NATO is, Tommy?
Post by: Fenwyr on February 01, 2017, 12:53:58 PM
Who said we need NATO? A simple coalition of a few countries would be fine.You mean like the 'Coalition of the Willing' we used for Iraq?
That's about the best we can for, as it seems like Trump just wants vomit all over the floor at a house party. It took Obama years to clean up Bush's vomit.
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Post by: Tommy on February 01, 2017, 12:57:13 PM
Um..... what do you think NATO is, Tommy?
We don't need a beaucratic alliance for something to be done. Alliances can be formed for common causes without forming an official organization.
Post by: Jetaho on February 01, 2017, 12:58:17 PM
Who said we need NATO? A simple coalition of a few countries would be fine.
YOU DID!
Wouldn't it make more sense to have the western countries come together and help negotiate peace, or provide military assistance to stop the fighting so that people wouldn't have to flee? Sort of like what NATO did in Bosnia and Kosovo in the 90s.
Post by: Johnny English on February 01, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
We don't need a beaucratic alliance for something to be done. Alliances can be formed for common causes without forming an official organization.
Sweet freak. This kind of simple idiot thinking is exactly why Trump and his idiot supporters have no place being anywhere near international diplomacy.
NATO exists as an organisation specifically to formalise the existence and deployment of military coalitions to the benefit of all parties, and prevents countries and governments with ulterior motives and agendas from unilaterally undertaking military action. Mind you, you know who would really, really like to see NATO disbanded? Your boy's buddy Putin.
The US leaving NATO would be one of the most cretinous and downright dangerous actions taken on the world stage since the Bay Of Pigs. You're probably too dim to even realise that the only time that Article 5 (essentially the part of the Treaty that says "you hit my mate and you get fucked by all of us") has ever been invoked is on behalf of the US, when NATO countries invaded Afghanistan.
Your kind of small minded "too much bureaucracy" thinking when it comes to something as geopolitically huge as NATO is exactly why people like you shouldn't be given something as dangerous as a vote.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 01, 2017, 01:20:02 PM
Sweet freak. This kind of simple idiot thinking is exactly why Trump and his idiot supporters have no place being anywhere near international diplomacy.You are 100% correct. However, we both know that Tommy is a good guy at his core, as flawed as he may be, so maybe you should bought him dinner before this derriere rape.
NATO exists as an organisation specifically to formalise the existence and deployment of military coalitions to the benefit of all parties, and prevents countries and governments with ulterior motives and agendas from unilaterally undertaking military action. Mind you, you know who would really, really like to see NATO disbanded? Your boy's buddy Putin.
The US leaving NATO would be one of the most cretinous and downright dangerous actions taken on the world stage since the Bay Of Pigs. You're probably too dim to even realise that the only time that Article 5 (essentially the part of the Treaty that says "you hit my mate and you get fucked by all of us") has ever been invoked is on behalf of the US, when NATO countries invaded Afghanistan.
Your kind of small minded "too much bureaucracy" thinking when it comes to something as geopolitically huge as NATO is exactly why people like you shouldn't be given something as dangerous as a vote.
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Post by: Tommy on February 01, 2017, 01:55:55 PM
Sweet freak. This kind of simple idiot thinking is exactly why Trump and his idiot supporters have no place being anywhere near international diplomacy.
NATO exists as an organisation specifically to formalise the existence and deployment of military coalitions to the benefit of all parties, and prevents countries and governments with ulterior motives and agendas from unilaterally undertaking military action. Mind you, you know who would really, really like to see NATO disbanded? Your boy's buddy Putin.
The US leaving NATO would be one of the most cretinous and downright dangerous actions taken on the world stage since the Bay Of Pigs. You're probably too dim to even realise that the only time that Article 5 (essentially the part of the Treaty that says "you hit my mate and you get fucked by all of us") has ever been invoked is on behalf of the US, when NATO countries invaded Afghanistan.
Your kind of small minded "too much bureaucracy" thinking when it comes to something as geopolitically huge as NATO is exactly why people like you shouldn't be given something as dangerous as a vote.
No, I disagree entirely. NATO was pretty much created to counter the Warsaw Pact and the spread of Soviet influence. It's entirely antiquated now. Russia doesn't have nearly that much influence now, so countries should just go back to negotiating their own alliances depending on the conflict. All that bickering among NATO members pretty much delayed any action against the Serbs in Bosnia or Kosovo, and cost a lot of lives. Rather than a few countries who actually cared coming together to help.
Post by: Tommy on February 01, 2017, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 01, 2017, 02:21:12 PM
Tillerson just got confirmed by the Senate.
Wrecks.
Post by: Johnny English on February 01, 2017, 02:50:30 PM
NATO was pretty much created to counter the Warsaw Pact and the spread of Soviet influence.
No it wasn't. The Warsaw Pact was created in response to West Germany joining NATO several years after the Treaty was signed.
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It's entirely antiquated now. Russia doesn't have nearly that much influence now, so countries should just go back to negotiating their own alliances depending on the conflict. All that bickering among NATO members pretty much delayed any action against the Serbs in Bosnia or Kosovo, and cost a lot of lives. Rather than a few countries who actually cared coming together to help.
The whole reason that NATO exists and continues to be incredibly important is to prevent exactly what you think is a good idea, but is in fact utterly stupid. Countries left to form their own alliances will form alliances of mutual interest, which is usually not to keep peace but to help one side to win. The size and bureaucracy of NATO is what makes it strong and important, and its strength and importance is why Russia is not quite as militarily relevant in Eastern Europe as it was during the Cold War. Break that up and there will be nothing to prevent Russia from once again annexing its neighbours, and if you don't think that Putin is itching to do that then I think you're being naive or stupid.
Post by: Tommy on February 01, 2017, 03:54:17 PM
No it wasn't. The Warsaw Pact was created in response to West Germany joining NATO several years after the Treaty was signed.
The whole reason that NATO exists and continues to be incredibly important is to prevent exactly what you think is a good idea, but is in fact utterly stupid. Countries left to form their own alliances will form alliances of mutual interest, which is usually not to keep peace but to help one side to win. The size and bureaucracy of NATO is what makes it strong and important, and its strength and importance is why Russia is not quite as militarily relevant in Eastern Europe as it was during the Cold War. Break that up and there will be nothing to prevent Russia from once again annexing its neighbours, and if you don't think that Putin is itching to do that then I think you're being naive or stupid.
http://www.theonion.com/multiblogpost/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-regio-11534
Post by: IATA on February 01, 2017, 08:51:58 PM
Attaboy Donny, keep working those cucks over
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/826822342961745922
Post by: Tommy on February 01, 2017, 09:08:06 PM
Full transcript of his speech at a Black History Month event
https://mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/826822342961745922
He really can't help himself.
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2017, 09:29:53 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 01, 2017, 10:20:23 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 01, 2017, 10:25:35 PM
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Trump, who one day earlier had signed an executive order temporarily barring the admissions of refugees, complained that he was "going to get killed" politically and accused Australia of seeking to export the "next Boston bombers."
Damn.
Post by: sg3 on February 02, 2017, 03:40:58 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 02, 2017, 06:21:05 AM
Add Japan and Australia to the long list of former American allies now united against the Orange A$$hole(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170202/142d922b100c81f2fcc852c0c528fc9d.gif)
Post by: Tommy on February 02, 2017, 06:32:22 AM
Add Japan and Australia to the long list of former American allies now united against the Orange A$$hole
Former? lol
You're really on some weird meds.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 02, 2017, 06:32:39 AM
Post by: insanity on February 02, 2017, 07:12:42 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 02, 2017, 07:23:53 AM
Do you think the Republicans will ever realize nominating trump was a bad idea. We are literally alienating ourselves from the rest of the world.
How? The UK wants closer ties, Russia wants to renew ties, Japan and South Korea have no choice, and Mexico needs us far more than we need them. Plus if anything being tougher on Iran strengthens our ties with Israel, SA, Egypt, etc. If France elects Le Pan then France will align with Trump, so that leaves Germany, which will probably elect an anti-Merkel after her term.
You really love eating up all that sensationalism.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 02, 2017, 08:20:42 AM
Post by: insanity on February 02, 2017, 09:10:25 AM
How? The UK wants closer ties, Russia wants to renew ties, Japan and South Korea have no choice, and Mexico needs us far more than we need them. Plus if anything being tougher on Iran strengthens our ties with Israel, SA, Egypt, etc. If France elects Le Pan then France will align with Trump, so that leaves Germany, which will probably elect an anti-Merkel after her term.
You really love eating up all that sensationalism.
Absolutely love it. Might I suggest possibly more than you enjoy twisting information to fit your agenda.
Have you watched the 3 hour UK debate about how to respond to Trump's ban? Theu absolutely love us...
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 02, 2017, 09:17:27 AM
No one should be so assured they are correct that they lose sight of the potential of being wrong. That goes for both sides.
Neither side is capable of that. It became most painfully obvious to me when people I know who have always been against any of their money paying for any government program started memeing about where to send their checks for the wall.
Post by: insanity on February 02, 2017, 09:25:52 AM
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.bj0fbujnc
Post by: Mehta Source on February 02, 2017, 09:57:01 AM
How?
- The extreme right part of the UK wants closer ties
- Russia wants to renew ties, (...)
- If France elects Le Pan (sic) then France will align with Trump, so that leaves
- Germany, which will probably elect a
anti-Merkelfar right candidate after her term.
So, basically, assholes of the world unite?
Post by: Miamipuck on February 02, 2017, 10:04:03 AM
So, basically, assholes of the world unite?
Pretty much yeah
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 02, 2017, 10:07:27 AM
Post by: insanity on February 02, 2017, 10:11:01 AM
Pretty much yeah
Geo-politics isn't like business where putting people in uncomfortable positions to give yourself leverage equates to winning. Countries have armies, political decisions affect the well being of millions of people in those countries and other, and passing off those people and making enemies is how you create terrorist groups like ISIS.
Post by: insanity on February 02, 2017, 10:13:00 AM
Trump rips Australia, rips Mexico, rips Iran, rips half the damn world, but still sucks up to Putin and Russia.
I mean they do have the best prostitutes according to Vladimir.
I love how we are supposed to idolize a dictator who used the Olympics to line his pockets and put thousands of his own people on the streets
Post by: sg3 on February 02, 2017, 10:16:43 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 02, 2017, 10:20:18 AM
Geo-politics isn't like business where putting people in uncomfortable positions to give yourself leverage equates to winning. Countries have armies, political decisions affect the well being of millions of people in those countries and other, and passing off those people and making enemies is how you create terrorist groups like ISIS.
I know, his regimes goals may not ultimately be that of the Nazi's but his methods are not altogether different. Make Murica great and in the process alienate the entire world except true friends like Russia.
Thank god, the fucktards that voted this moron in are allowing Murica to be great again. I sit back and enjoy those same fucktards trying to justify his every move and waiting for the day they can have Trumps tiny little rooster in their mouth.
Who knows maybe Trump is planning another Operation Barbarossa, I can't wait.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 02, 2017, 10:25:40 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 02, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 02, 2017, 11:12:49 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 02, 2017, 11:12:57 AM
Haven't heard a peep from the White House about the latest bloodshed in Ukraine.
The West pretty much already set a precedent for allowing people the right to secede and the right to self-determination when they allowed Yugoslavia to dissolve and Kosovo to declare independence from Serbia. It's a little hypocritical to get involved in the Ukraine conflict just because the Eastern part of the country wants to join Russia.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 02, 2017, 11:15:39 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 02, 2017, 11:21:21 AM
I can't imagine anyone who has a worse job to do right now than Sean Spicer. Like him or not, that dude gets thrown to the wolves daily. That job pretty much sucks no matter who is president. Pretty high burnout rate.
Yeah, they normally don't last very long. Maybe one term at the most on average.
Post by: MBGreen on February 02, 2017, 11:22:00 AM
Yeah, they normally don't last very long. Maybe one term at the most on average.
his nervous breakdown is scheduled in the spring.
Post by: Tommy on February 02, 2017, 11:24:41 AM
his nervous breakdown is scheduled in the spring.
He's from Rhode Island so he's probably a Pats fan. Bastard.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 02, 2017, 11:35:37 AM
his nervous breakdown is scheduled in the spring.
Pretty sure he had his first nervous breakdown at his very first conference. Whatever meds they must have put him on seem pretty hit or miss though. He has no problem lying through his teeth, so his soul is long gone, and he may be around for awhile.
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 02, 2017, 04:27:31 PM
I was willing to give Trump a chance, not any longer, he sucks. That's even shorter than the amount of time I gave our last crappy President, he was done in my eyes with the Lewis Gates incident.
Yeah, I wanted to see how it would go and hope for the best but this is going to be a shitshow for 4-8 years. I still fear 8 because his supporters are mostly doubling down on everything so far being awesome.
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2017, 08:10:12 AM
Um..... there's nothing "so called" about it. He is a judge, and it's his job to interpret the law for the authorities to enforce.
How have you managed to elect someone who couldn't pass a high school civics class?
Post by: Miamipuck on February 04, 2017, 08:31:43 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827867311054974976
Um..... there's nothing "so called" about it. He is a judge, and it's his job to interpret the law for the authorities to enforce.
How have you managed to elect someone who couldn't pass a high school civics class?
You read this thread and still ask, ok.
Post by: MBGreen on February 04, 2017, 08:45:28 AM
You read this thread and still ask, ok.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170204/11aa5dbef40517bf4d3311ef3358fd57.gif)
Post by: dcm1602 on February 04, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
If Trump can start to weaken the GOPS stance on social issues like that, that really is huge progress for the country.
That's not to suggest that Trump still isn't an ignorant egomaniac dolt, but he's still very capable of being transformative for a stagnant political system built on ignorance
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2017, 12:23:43 PM
I know people on the left continue to go absolutely insane because Trump is the devil reincarnated. But you really need to be impressed by his stance and recent statements on LGBTQ rights, especially considering that pence is his VP.
If Trump can start to weaken the GOPS stance on social issues like that, that really is huge progress for the country.
That's not to suggest that Trump still isn't an ignorant egomaniac dolt, but he's still very capable of being transformative for a stagnant political system built on ignorance
No.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/draft-of-executive-order-proposes-expanding-legal-protections-on-religious-grounds-1486071114
Post by: mj2sexay on February 04, 2017, 01:54:30 PM
No.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/draft-of-executive-order-proposes-expanding-legal-protections-on-religious-grounds-1486071114
The logical backlash to the "bake my freaking cake" crowd.
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2017, 02:34:17 PM
logical
No.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 04, 2017, 03:24:38 PM
No.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/draft-of-executive-order-proposes-expanding-legal-protections-on-religious-grounds-1486071114
No.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-lgbt-order-234617
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A draft executive order on LGBT rights that outlines how to roll back former President Barack Obama’s protections and expand legal exemptions based on religious beliefs has been circulating among journalists and worried progressive groups this week.
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But two sources close to Kushner and Ivanka Trump, who have a record of supporting gay rights, said the couple favored putting out a clear statement from the president, promising to uphold the 2014 Obama executive order and stopping the momentum for the turnaround in its tracks.
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On Tuesday night, the White House released a statement saying that “President Donald J. Trump is determined to protect the rights of all Americans, including the LGBTQ community. President Trump continues to be respectful and supportive of LGBTQ rights, just as he was throughout the election.”
“The executive order signed in 2014, which protects employees from anti-LGBTQ workplace discrimination while working for federal contractors, will remain intact at the direction of President Donald J. Trump,” the statement continued.
Post by: Tommy on February 04, 2017, 03:28:16 PM
No.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-lgbt-order-234617
But... But... There's a leaked draft! Hearsay and conjecture counts as evidence, right?
Post by: Tommy on February 04, 2017, 10:11:52 PM
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2017, 11:50:30 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 05, 2017, 12:38:31 AM
If he doesn't do it, great. If he does, I hope I don't hear anyone trying to rationalize it.
I certainly won't rationalize it, but I doubt it'll even come to that. I just find it weird that they're protesting his "anti gay policies and rhetoric" when it doesn't even exist.
Post by: sg3 on February 05, 2017, 06:19:47 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 05, 2017, 08:19:50 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 05, 2017, 09:13:27 AM
Dying to hear lady Gaga's opinion on trump today
I'm looking forward to the crying about her crying.
Post by: Tommy on February 05, 2017, 09:25:49 AM
Dying to hear lady Gaga's opinion on trump today
It's funny how times quickly change. When Kanye West said "George Bush doesn't care about black people" live on the air people went nuts, but 12 years later we have Madonna saying "freak you" and talking about blowing up the White House, and it's just all normal.
Post by: insanity on February 05, 2017, 10:03:41 AM
It's funny how times quickly change. When Kanye West said "George Bush doesn't care about black people" live on the air people went nuts, but 12 years later we have Madonna saying "freak you" and talking about blowing up the White House, and it's just all normal.
Lmao it's comical how you don't understand the difference
Post by: Tommy on February 05, 2017, 10:48:48 AM
Lmao it's comical how you don't understand the difference
What're you saying exactly? What did Trump do to make what she said totally okay?
Post by: dcm1602 on February 05, 2017, 03:49:17 PM
Tommyanne continues his defense of the indefensible
What the freak are you even saying?
Trumps (supposedly) doing a good thing by altering the GOPs ignorant stance on LGBTQ rights. And you're freaking bitching about Trump still.
It's people like you who make politics unbearable, and end up with such a sharp divide full of extreme ignorance. I realize that everybody is varying degrees of ignorant, but you take it to another level. The world would truly be a better place if you were no longer a part of it
Post by: MBGreen on February 05, 2017, 03:57:04 PM
What the freak are you even saying?shut the freak up
Trumps (supposedly) doing a good thing by altering the GOPs ignorant stance on LGBTQ rights. And you're freaking bitching about Trump still.
It's people like you who make politics unbearable, and end up with such a sharp divide full of extreme ignorance. I realize that everybody is varying degrees of ignorant, but you take it to another level. The world would truly be a better place if you were no longer a part of it
Post by: dcm1602 on February 05, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
shut the freak up
Dude he's like a left wing version of how I used to be years ago crossed with Junc.
It's impossible to tell if he's trolling or that deranged
Post by: Tommy on February 05, 2017, 04:00:33 PM
What the freak are you even saying?
Trumps (supposedly) doing a good thing by altering the GOPs ignorant stance on LGBTQ rights. And you're freaking bitching about Trump still.
It's people like you who make politics unbearable, and end up with such a sharp divide full of extreme ignorance. I realize that everybody is varying degrees of ignorant, but you take it to another level. The world would truly be a better place if you were no longer a part of it
Yeah I can understand Mexicans and Muslims for resenting him to some extent, but when did he become anti-gay, anti-women, and anti-LGBT?
Post by: dcm1602 on February 05, 2017, 04:06:21 PM
Yeah I can understand Mexicans and Muslims for resenting him to some extent, but when did he become anti-gay, anti-women, and anti-LGBT?
Trump has put his foot in his mouth with sexist remarks on numerous occasions.
I don't think he's anti women but you can't blame the media for using it against him. That locker room talk thing will stick with him yes entire political career
Post by: Tommy on February 05, 2017, 04:12:34 PM
Trump has put his foot in his mouth with sexist remarks on numerous occasions.
I don't think he's anti women but you can't blame the media for using it against him. That locker room talk thing will stick with him yes entire political career
I get that, but does it really warrant massive protests week in and week out?
Post by: Johnny English on February 05, 2017, 05:26:44 PM
Post by: sg3 on February 05, 2017, 06:47:15 PM
Yeah I can understand Mexicans and Muslims for resenting him to some extent, but when did he become anti-gay, anti-women, and anti-LGBT?Well Tommyanne, I'd have to think "grab em by the pu$sy might be anti woman, straight or otherwise
Post by: sg3 on February 05, 2017, 06:53:31 PM
But I'll just stop with these because I don't want you to get angry and ruin your inauguration nutcracker outfit
Post by: Tommy on February 05, 2017, 07:32:57 PM
Not to mention the Miss Universe attacking comments, the sneaking into the women's dressing rooms while they were partly undressed, the model agency he owns engaging in human trafficking of various Eastern European underage girls and others.
But I'll just stop with these because I don't want you to get angry and ruin your inauguration nutcracker outfit
Dude is a billionaire, has a real estate empire, married to a billionaire, and is now the most powerful man in the world. You're probably going to die broke and lonely. If it makes you feel better by trashing the guy, go right ahead and knock yourself out. Doesn't affect me. He ain't my father, but I find it sad that your emotions are so invested in the guy. But hey, whatever makes your sad and miserable life happy, I guess.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 05, 2017, 07:38:45 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 05, 2017, 07:39:28 PM
Of course the refs don't call a defensive hold that time.wrong thread
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 05, 2017, 07:40:24 PM
wrong thread
Wow. How the freak did that happen?
Post by: Badger on February 05, 2017, 08:27:29 PM
Dude is a billionaire, has a real estate empire, married to a billionaire, and is now the most powerful man in the world. You're probably going to die broke and lonely. If it makes you feel better by trashing the guy, go right ahead and knock yourself out. Doesn't affect me. He ain't my father, but I find it sad that your emotions are so invested in the guy. But hey, whatever makes your sad and miserable life happy, I guess.
If sg3 is as old as he says he's probably collecting three different pensions and owns a house because anyone his age who put in the bare minimum has that.
Post by: sg3 on February 05, 2017, 08:45:22 PM
Dude is a billionaire, has a real estate empire, married to a billionaire, and is now the most powerful man in the world. You're probably going to die broke and lonely. If it makes you feel better by trashing the guy, go right ahead and knock yourself out. Doesn't affect me. He ain't my father, but I find it sad that your emotions are so invested in the guy. But hey, whatever makes your sad and miserable life happy, I guess.
So I assume Tommyanne you have no factual retort to the Orange A$$holes multiple proven acts of mysogynism against women which I briefly enumerated.
So just like your Fuhrer, you decided to just attack the deluver of facts
Post by: insanity on February 06, 2017, 07:21:04 AM
What're you saying exactly? What did Trump do to make what she said totally okay?
Nothing. She just said how she was feeling at a protest
Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House," Madonna said. "But I know that this won't change anything. We cannot fall into despair."
Post by: bojanglesman on February 06, 2017, 07:56:25 AM
Nothing. She just said how she was feeling at a protestInsanadonna?
Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House," Madonna said. "But I know that this won't change anything. We cannot fall into despair."
Post by: Johnny English on February 06, 2017, 08:02:10 AM
Post by: insanity on February 06, 2017, 09:00:59 AM
The rumors are true. I have aides
Post by: Tommy on February 06, 2017, 10:50:10 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/us/politics/trump-white-house-aides-strategy.html
To be fair to Trump, he doesn't have most of his cabinet, and there are still hundreds of staff positions that have yet to be hired. But I do agree that while I respect his intention to move fast on implementing his policies, doing so with at this pace and without a full staff can, and did, cause some trouble. I'm sure things will be more streamlined once they get their ducks in a row.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 06, 2017, 10:52:13 AM
I get that, but does it really warrant massive protests week in and week out?
Tommy... Just listen for a moment. Like really listen. The man bragged about abusing women sexually. You might think it's awesome and want to high five him, but the man bragged about how he could get away with sexually abusing women because he was a rich celebrity. On multiple occasions.
If you get your head out of your derriere and let it breath for a moment, you might, you just might, understand why women, and men, have a slight problem with him being the leader of the free world.
Post by: Tommy on February 06, 2017, 10:56:05 AM
Tommy... Just listen for a moment. Like really listen. The man bragged about abusing women sexually. You might think it's awesome and want to high five him, but the man bragged about how he could get away with sexually abusing women because he was a rich celebrity. On multiple occasions.
If you get your head out of your derriere and let it breath for a moment, you might, you just might, understand why women, and men, have a slight problem with him being the leader of the free world.
Just noticed the "Tommyanne". Ha, funny guys.
Well, 40% of the female electorate voted for him, so it's obvious that not all women feel the same way. The protesters don't represent all the people, just the ones who don't like him. Same way the Tea Party didn't represent the entire country.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 06, 2017, 10:56:08 AM
To be fair to Trump, he doesn't have most of his cabinet, and there are still hundreds of staff positions that have yet to be hired. But I do agree that while I respect his intention to move fast on implementing his policies, doing so with at this pace and without a full staff can, and did, cause some trouble. I'm sure things will be more streamlined once they get their ducks in a row.
You know which presidents did not have their entire staff in place, and I am not even talking about the fucktards that he put before the senate, by February 6th? Trump. That's it. He and his staff had no clue what they were doing during the transition. Other than undermining the constitution, democracy, civil rights, and making america great again.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 06, 2017, 10:56:52 AM
Just noticed the "Tommyanne". Ha, funny guys.
Well, 40% of the female electorate voted for him, so it's obvious that not all women feel the same way. The protesters don't represent all the people, just the ones who don't like him. Same way the Tea Party didn't represent the entire country.
Head still firmly lodged in derriere. Oh well, I tried.
Post by: Tommy on February 06, 2017, 10:56:52 AM
You know which presidents did not have their entire staff in place, and I am not even talking about the fucktards that he put before the senate, by February 6th? Trump. That's it. He and his staff had no clue what they were doing during the transition. Other than undermining the constitution, democracy, civil rights, and making america great again.
How did he undermine the constitution?
Post by: Fenwyr on February 06, 2017, 10:57:47 AM
How did he undermine the constitution?
Oh FFS. Ask the federal judge in Washington.
Post by: Tommy on February 06, 2017, 11:01:09 AM
Oh FFS. Ask the federal judge in Washington.
The department of justice disagrees, and so did a circuit judge in Massachusetts. This is why this case will likely continue and probably end up in the Supreme Court. Let's wait until the case is settled before you take that judge's opinion at face value.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 06, 2017, 11:05:42 AM
The department of justice disagrees, and so did a circuit judge in Massachusetts. This is why this case will likely continue and probably end up in the Supreme Court. Let's wait until the case is settled before you take that judge's opinion at face value.
I only noted that one in Washington because he was a republican judge that Bush put in place, and he ruled against all of it on a national level. I will have to check, but at least 6 or 7 other federal judges found at least part of the EO to be derriere freaking the constitution and stopped it at the state level.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 06, 2017, 11:12:28 AM
First appeal not going so well.
"We'll win. For the safety of the country, we'll win."
Might as well ban folks coming from Denmark and Sweden too, just for safety's sake.
Post by: Johnny English on February 06, 2017, 11:20:20 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/politics/doj-appeals-travel-ban-ruling/
First appeal not going so well.
"We'll win. For the safety of the country, we'll win."
Might as well ban folks coming from Denmark and Sweden too, just for safety's sake.
And definitely the UK. After all, Trump already stated that there are Muslim no-go zones there.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 06, 2017, 11:31:03 AM
And definitely the UK. After all, Trump already stated that there are Muslim no-go zones there.
Forgot about the Brits. I'm sure they are looking for some revenge. Let's ban them too.
The fact that the UK might be a Trump no-go zone is awesome.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2017, 11:50:09 AM
I only noted that one in Washington because he was a republican judge that Bush put in place, and he ruled against all of it on a national level. I will have to check, but at least 6 or 7 other federal judges found at least part of the EO to be derriere freaking the constitution and stopped it at the state level.
I get the new thing is to forum shop until you find a sympathetic judge that was put into power by a Republican, but the DOJ's brief on the matter tore him a new poopchute.
Maybe if judges stopped being judicial hacktivists, they'd be immune to criticism.
Also love how Trump is getting excrement for criticizing a justice from the same people that spent the weekend spreading the falsity that Neil Gorsuch founded a fascism forever club. Ahahahahaha. Talk about fake news!
Post by: Fenwyr on February 06, 2017, 01:12:53 PM
I get the new thing is to forum shop until you find a sympathetic judge that was put into power by a Republican, but the DOJ's brief on the matter tore him a new poopchute.
Maybe if judges stopped being judicial hacktivists, they'd be immune to criticism.
Also love how Trump is getting excrement for criticizing a justice from the same people that spent the weekend spreading the falsity that Neil Gorsuch founded a fascism forever club. Ahahahahaha. Talk about fake news!
Wow, you are completely insane. You voted for the anti-christ. Just own up to it and move on.
The muslim ban is done. Again, just deal with it and worry about whatever the next crazy thing your fuckwit is going to try to do.
This excrement will end in 2 years. If you have some luck it will be 1950 again by then.
Post by: Johnny English on February 06, 2017, 01:39:40 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/3dda1296-ec92-11e6-ba01-119a44939bb6
My guess is that he won't actually go at all.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 06, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
However, when you fail to kill the one person you sent in to kill, AND a soldier and an innocent child die, and you still call the raid a success, it's despicable.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/yemen-raid-had-secret-target-al-qaeda-leader-qassim-al-n717616?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2017, 06:35:28 PM
The Speaker of the House will not invite Lyin' Don to address Parliament when/if he visits the UK later this year.
https://www.ft.com/content/3dda1296-ec92-11e6-ba01-119a44939bb6
My guess is that he won't actually go at all.
Lol what virtue signaling. How many absolute monsters and oppressors of human rights has Bercow welcomed into the House of Commons with open arms? But we'll draw the line at Trump? GTFOH.
Wow, you are completely insane. You voted for the anti-christ. Just own up to it and move on.
The muslim ban is done. Again, just deal with it and worry about whatever the next crazy thing your fuckwit is going to try to do.
This excrement will end in 2 years. If you have some luck it will be 1950 again by then.
Getting called insane by someone who just called Trump THE ANTI-CHRIST. :D
Your political hackery is usually boring, but that was funny, even if unintentionally so.
Post by: Johnny English on February 06, 2017, 08:16:59 PM
Lol what virtue signaling. How many absolute monsters and oppressors of human rights has Bercow welcomed into the House of Commons with open arms?
One. Arguably.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_addressed_both_Houses_of_the_United_Kingdom_Parliament#People_who_have_addressed_both_Houses_of_the_United_Kingdom_Parliament
Post by: Fenwyr on February 07, 2017, 10:47:42 AM
Lol what virtue signaling. How many absolute monsters and oppressors of human rights has Bercow welcomed into the House of Commons with open arms? But we'll draw the line at Trump? GTFOH.Coming from you, I will take that.
Getting called insane by someone who just called Trump THE ANTI-CHRIST. :D
Your political hackery is usually boring, but that was funny, even if unintentionally so.
The extent of you political posting over the years has been white guy good, black guy bad, white woman bad, white guy good.
No substantiated facts whatsoever, just easily refuted bullshit from rush and fox news.
Like I said, you put a piece of excrement in the white house. Sit back and own it. White man good.
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Post by: ukilledkenny on February 07, 2017, 11:37:04 AM
Post by: Badger on February 07, 2017, 11:39:03 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on February 07, 2017, 11:47:43 AM
Oh look, you both have such little respect for each other's opinion that you take insults as compliments. Definitely keep this discussion going.Its a new world. The people that want to Make America 1950s Again have drawn a line in the sand with insults and lies. They have changed the rules that our country was founded on. They have worked every possible angle to cheat the system. Progressives need to stop being gaping vaginas. We have been too nice for too long. Adult debate and concession doesn't work anymore. Politics has been demoted to the kid's table.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 07, 2017, 11:48:03 AM
Coming from you, I will take that.
The extent of you political posting over the years has been white guy good, black guy bad, white woman bad, white guy good.
No substantiated facts whatsoever, just easily refuted bullshit from rush and fox news.
Like I said, you put a piece of excrement in the white house. Sit back and own it. White man good.
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Posts like this one put a piece of excrement in the white house
Post by: Fenwyr on February 07, 2017, 12:07:50 PM
Posts like this one put a piece of excrement in the white houseIs this really all you got? You have been no better than mj over the years. I have never heard an original political comment from you. You are both basically Spicer. At least guys like Tommy have original opinions, as loveably deranged as they are sometimes. I respect that.
Fox News got Trump elected. They were destroying Hillary for years, mostly fake news, and even though they hated Trump at the beginning, they were slurping his man juice by the end.
If Bo Biden didn't pass away we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
A person who litterally has no idea about anything regarding public schools is now in charge of public schools. Thanks for that. Also, thank you in advance for destroying our national parks and poisoning our drinking water. You are awesome!
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 07, 2017, 02:55:57 PM
Is this really all you got? You have been no better than mj over the years. I have never heard an original political comment from you. You are both basically Spicer. At least guys like Tommy have original opinions, as loveably deranged as they are sometimes. I respect that.
Fox News got Trump elected. They were destroying Hillary for years, mostly fake news, and even though they hated Trump at the beginning, they were slurping his man juice by the end.
If Bo Biden didn't pass away we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
A person who litterally has no idea about anything regarding public schools is now in charge of public schools. Thanks for that. Also, thank you in advance for destroying our national parks and poisoning our drinking water. You are awesome!
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A whole lot of assumptions/fake news in this post. If you actually did read any of my posts you would know that I'm not big into politics, for several reasons. You haven't heard an "original political comment" from me because I don't really offer any. I don't have any skin in the game, I think democrats and republicans are both flawed parties. At least I have the ability to think for myself. If you cant admit the rhetoric you spew is regurigated liberal propaganda, then I don't know what to tell you bud.
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2017, 03:11:39 PM
A whole lot of assumptions/fake news in this post. If you actually did read any of my posts you would know that I'm not big into politics, for several reasons. You haven't heard an "original political comment" from me because I don't really offer any. I don't have any skin in the game, I think democrats and republicans are both flawed parties. At least I have the ability to think for myself. If you cant admit the rhetoric you spew is regurigated liberal propaganda, then I don't know what to tell you bud.
Propaganda is simply material used to support a particular political view. It doesn't make it incorrect.
Post by: Badger on February 07, 2017, 03:12:18 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2017, 03:14:36 PM
We all have skin in the game.
just my foreskin.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2017, 03:15:17 PM
just my foreskin.
I have wizard sleeve in the game.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2017, 03:16:09 PM
I have wizard sleeve in the game.
Arbys beef n cheddar?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2017, 03:16:59 PM
Arbys beef n cheddar?
Salty wizard sleeve with wings.
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2017, 03:21:00 PM
Salty wizard sleeve with wings.
with extra salt
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 07, 2017, 03:32:29 PM
We all have skin in the game.
If you are content to be forced into a box labeled either Republican or Democrat, and spend 90% of your time bitching about how the opposing side are retards, have at it.
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2017, 03:38:02 PM
If you are content to be forced into a box labeled either Republican or Democrat, and spend 90% of your time bitching about how the opposing side are retards, have at it.
Badger has been pretty clear throughout the entire election process that he's not a partisan, I think. It's possible to be engaged and concerned and educated about what's going on, and yes, even to protest it or god forbid support it, without having to identify with a particular party identity.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 07, 2017, 03:48:59 PM
Badger has been pretty clear throughout the entire election process that he's not a partisan, I think. It's possible to be engaged and concerned and educated about what's going on, and yes, even to protest it or god forbid support it, without having to identify with a particular party identity.
That's what I've been attempting to do this election cycle for the most part. Disagreed with one post and now Im labeled a trump voter who has also somehow poisoned the water supply
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2017, 03:53:05 PM
That's what I've been attempting to do this election cycle for the most part. Disagreed with one post and now Im labeled a trump voter who has also somehow poisoned the water supply
with extra salt
Post by: mj2sexay on February 07, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
Is this really all you got? You have been no better than mj over the years. I have never heard an original political comment from you. You are both basically Spicer. At least guys like Tommy have original opinions, as loveably deranged as they are sometimes. I respect that.
Fox News got Trump elected. They were destroying Hillary for years, mostly fake news, and even though they hated Trump at the beginning, they were slurping his man juice by the end.
If Bo Biden didn't pass away we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
A person who litterally has no idea about anything regarding public schools is now in charge of public schools. Thanks for that. Also, thank you in advance for destroying our national parks and poisoning our drinking water. You are awesome!
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This is rich. You do nothing but regurgitate nonsense from dumpster fires like Salon, thinkprog, and God knows wherever else.
Your summary of my political points is complete freaking nonsense that I'm pretty sure you'd use as a blanket statement on anyone else that doesn't share your stupid opinions. What a freaking clown. I've done more through pro bono work for minority communities in 1 day. Take your freaking thinly veiled attempt to call me a racist and shove it up your low information derriere with the rest of your nonsensical opinions.
Post by: Badger on February 07, 2017, 04:15:10 PM
If you are content to be forced into a box labeled either Republican or Democrat, and spend 90% of your time bitching about how the opposing side are retards, have at it.Missed the point entirely. The actions of Democrats and Republicans will affect us whether or not we identify as one or the other.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 07, 2017, 04:26:26 PM
Missed the point entirely. The actions of Democrats and Republicans will affect us whether or not we identify as one or the other.
Quote
Hey, have you guys seen this? We are getting blasted in the derriere by the state liquor tax.
Mac
Blasted in the derriere?
dee
Mac, we have the same conversation every year. There's nothing that you can do about taxes!
dennis
Uh, you guys might want to think about voting, every once in a while.
dee
When has voting ever helped? Who am I supposed to vote for? The Democrat who is going to blast me in the derriere? Or the Republican who's blasting my derriere.
dennis
You see, politics is just one big derriere blast.
Mac
You're going to get your derriere blasted.
charlie
It's coast-to-coast, nationwide, derriere blasting.
dennis
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2017, 04:57:28 PM
I've done more through pro bono work for minority communities in 1 day.
Prone. Bono.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 07, 2017, 05:48:13 PM
Hahahahahahaha
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2017, 05:48:54 PM
This is rich. You do nothing but regurgitate nonsense from dumpster fires like Salon, thinkprog, and God knows wherever else.
Your summary of my political points is complete freaking nonsense that I'm pretty sure you'd use as a blanket statement on anyone else that doesn't share your stupid opinions. What a freaking clown. I've done more through pro bono work for minority communities in 1 day. Take your freaking thinly veiled attempt to call me a racist and shove it up your low information derriere with the rest of your nonsensical opinions.
I think that Fen has got your politics a bit wrong - I know you were no lover of Trump during the election and I always pegged you as being more of a libertarian type than a Breitbart/Infowars conservative - but I don't think you can really claim bar-mandated pro bono work as proof of your "man of the people" credentials.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 07, 2017, 08:40:42 PM
Post by: sg3 on February 07, 2017, 08:48:27 PM
Flipped on the Cruz-Sanders debate on CNN briefly. It's amazing how much more sane Ted Cruz sounds than Donald Trump.Sadly you could say that about any of 100 million Americans. The single most ignorant of the 20 who ran for the office for the 2 major parties is occupying the White House...Sad
Post by: sg3 on February 07, 2017, 09:22:17 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 07, 2017, 09:58:18 PM
Seig Heil Mitch McConnell for silencing the freedom of speech of a United States Senator for reading a letter written by Coretta Scott King about Beauregard Sessions' life of bigotry
Uh, the democratically elected senators voted in a majority that she was out of line and violated senate rules by pretty much calling Sessions a racist.
Post by: Badger on February 07, 2017, 10:37:28 PM
Flipped on the Cruz-Sanders debate on CNN briefly. It's amazing how much more sane Ted Cruz sounds than Donald Trump.
Objectively speaking, I think Ted Cruz was the most intelligent individual among all of the candidates running for either party. He just happens to be completely unlikeable, has some reprehensible policy positions and is an occasional liar.
Post by: sg3 on February 07, 2017, 10:41:48 PM
Uh, the democratically elected senators voted in a majority that she was out of line and violated senate rules by pretty much calling Sessions a racist.Of course, Tommyanne, of course.
And we all agree with you that Jefferson Davis Beauregard Sessions, like President Adolf Bannon doesn't have a single racist bone in his entire white sheet and hood covered body.
Sad really what has become of the Party of Abraham Lincoln, US Grant, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan
Post by: Badger on February 07, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
Here are some multiple choices for how to respond:
A. Trump doesn't even know what civil asset forfeiture is/They're quoting him out of context
B. "He's just saying that and isn't actually going to do anything"
C. A clumsy rationalization defending civil asset forfeiture
Post by: Fenwyr on February 08, 2017, 10:49:08 AM
This is rich. You do nothing but regurgitate nonsense from dumpster fires like Salon, thinkprog, and God knows wherever else.I didnt call you a racist. I have never been to the sites you mentioned. My opinions are based on many years of following politics, combined with my core beliefs in equality, civil liberties, and my observation that republican philosophy has been destroying the middle class since the 80s.
Your summary of my political points is complete freaking nonsense that I'm pretty sure you'd use as a blanket statement on anyone else that doesn't share your stupid opinions. What a freaking clown. I've done more through pro bono work for minority communities in 1 day. Take your freaking thinly veiled attempt to call me a racist and shove it up your low information derriere with the rest of your nonsensical opinions.
If you dont see how deregulation is going to destroy the planet, if you believe in trickle down economics, if you believe we need to be waving our dick around all over the world? Fine. That's your opinion.
My opinion is that if you believe any of that, you're an idiot.
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Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2017, 04:08:10 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/318573-trump-scotus-pick-called-the-presidents-attack-on-judiciary
Obergruppenfuhrer Bannon isn't going to like handpicked appointees saying nasty things about his puppet.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2017, 04:13:41 PM
Uh-oh.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/318573-trump-scotus-pick-called-the-presidents-attack-on-judiciary
Obergruppenfuhrer Bannon isn't going to like handpicked appointees saying nasty things about his puppet.
Heel turn!
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 08, 2017, 04:31:00 PM
So apparently in addition to the Bowling Green Massacre there was recently a terrorist attack in Atlanta that no one ever heard of.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 08, 2017, 04:33:25 PM
Uh, the democratically elected senators voted in a majority that she was out of line and violated senate rules by pretty much calling Sessions a racist.
Those democratically elected senators are taking a beating from people that voted for them on social media.
The republicans are doing it to themselves. Silencing Warren for no good reason? Keep it up please.
2018
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2017, 04:44:26 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2017, 05:03:47 PM
They're not even pretending any more.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2017, 05:08:50 PM
Spicer called Nordstrom's decision to stop stocking the Little Witch's products "unacceptable", in an official press briefing, in the White House Press Room, in his official capacity as White House Press Secretary.
They're not even pretending any more.
I'm no expert on her, but on what planet is she a little witch?
Ive never ever heard her say or do anything
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 08, 2017, 05:11:59 PM
Spicer called Nordstrom's decision to stop stocking the Little Witch's products "unacceptable", in an official press briefing, in the White House Press Room, in his official capacity as White House Press Secretary.
They're not even pretending any more.
How dare they make a decision on what product line to carry in their store without consulting the president. Don't they realize how things are run now?
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2017, 05:12:22 PM
I'm no expert on her, but on what planet is she a little witch?The entire family is part of this get rich quick scheme.
Ive never ever heard her say or do anything
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2017, 05:17:02 PM
I'm no expert on her, but on what planet is she a little witch?JE is auditioning for NYDN headline writer.
Ive never ever heard her say or do anything
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 05:17:54 PM
Those democratically elected senators are taking a beating from people that voted for them on social media.
The republicans are doing it to themselves. Silencing Warren for no good reason? Keep it up please.
2018
Did you not pay attention to the last election? People like Warren are the reason why Trump won and why the Republicans lost both the house and senate. The "holier than thou" approach that Dems like her have adopted over the years doesn't play well anymore. No ones falling for her schtick except shills like you.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2017, 05:24:43 PM
The entire family is part of this get rich quick scheme.
It's probably worth pointing out that Trump was worth over 3 billion dollars when he got elected.
And Obama and the Clinton's made the bulk of their fortunes after they took office.
But OK
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 05:27:34 PM
It's probably worth pointing out that Trump was worth over 3 billion dollars when he got elected.
And Obama and the Clinton's made the bulk of their fortunes after they took office.
But OK
He also didn't "get rich quick". Dude worked his derriere off for over 40 years to build his empire. His father had a modest company that owned low income buildings in Brooklyn and Queens and Trump took it to a whole other level. That ain't easy.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2017, 05:27:47 PM
Did you not pay attention to the last election? People like Warren are the reason why Trump won and why the Republicans lost both the house and senate. The "holier than thou" approach that Dems like her have adopted over the years doesn't play well anymore. No ones falling for her schtick except shills like you.Warren would have won the nomination and the election had she run.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2017, 05:28:04 PM
I think I now officially hate every politician.
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2017, 05:28:05 PM
JE is auditioning for NYDN headline writer.I wasn't thinking about that but it must have been in my subconscious.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2017, 05:28:23 PM
He also didn't "get rich quick". Dude worked his derriere off for over 40 years to build his empire. His father had a modest company that owned low income buildings in Brooklyn and Queens and Trump took it to a whole other level. That ain't easy.lol
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 05:29:03 PM
Warren would have won the nomination and the election had she run.
If she believed that then she would've thrown her hat into the ring, but didn't. I'm not sure what you're basing that on.
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 05:29:44 PM
lol
I'm not wrong.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2017, 05:31:37 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2017, 05:31:57 PM
Warren would have won the nomination and the election had she run.
A lot of people would have.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2017, 05:35:32 PM
I'm not wrong.He was born wealthy and played life on easy mode.
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 05:35:52 PM
I'm still laughing at Tommy's avatar. Tommy could post that his house burned to the ground and he lost everything, and I'd still chuckle when I see his avatar posting it.
Speaking of which, since you're a vet and all, if one or both of my cats were to die, what is the proper procedure? Do I just throw them in the trash or take them to the vet to have them properly disposed?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 08, 2017, 05:38:38 PM
Did you not pay attention to the last election? People like Warren are the reason why Trump won and why the Republicans lost both the house and senate. The "holier than thou" approach that Dems like her have adopted over the years doesn't play well anymore. No ones falling for her schtick except shills like you.
Alright, let's be accurate here.
The Democrats lost the presidential election in 2016 because of 80 thousand votes spread across three states. They won the popular vote by nearly 3 million. This was all with a historically unpopular candidate at the head of the ticket that severely impacted down ballot voting in many states (not to mention years of gerrymandering and laws designed to make it more difficult for people who wouldn't vote Republican to vote in states that have a Republican governor and/or legislature).
And let's not act like the "holier than thou" attitude is exclusive to one party.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 08, 2017, 05:38:58 PM
Speaking of which, since you're a vet and all, if one or both of my cats were to die, what is the proper procedure? Do I just throw them in the trash or take them to the vet to have them properly disposed?Just leave them where they lie and walk around them until they stiffen up and quit smelling bad. Or you could feed them to homeless people. Wear them as a festive hat? Get them a Twitter account @deadcat.
Take them to the vet for cremation.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2017, 05:39:14 PM
Warren would have won the nomination and the election had she run.
Lol yeah OK
Elizabeth Warren is basically Nancy Pelosi.
That's not a winning ticket
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 05:41:08 PM
He was born wealthy and played life on easy mode.
There are millions of people who are born wealthy who don't amount to excrement.
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 05:42:09 PM
Just leave them where they lie and walk around them until they stiffen up and quit smelling bad. Or you could feed them to homeless people. Wear them as a festive hat? Get them a Twitter account @deadcat.
Take them to the vet for cremation.
Haha okay thanks. I was genuinely curious.
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
Alright, let's be accurate here.
The Democrats lost the presidential election in 2016 because of 80 thousand votes spread across three states. They won the popular vote by nearly 3 million. This was all with a historically unpopular candidate at the head of the ticket that severely impacted down ballot voting in many states (not to mention years of gerrymandering and laws designed to make it more difficult for people who wouldn't vote Republican to vote in states that have a Republican governor and/or legislature).
And let's not act like the "holier than thou" attitude is exclusive to one party.
Blah blah blah gerrymandering blah blah blah electoral college blah blah
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 08, 2017, 06:21:44 PM
Blah blah blah gerrymandering blah blah blah electoral college blah blahYes, but to say, "This is why Trump won," when more people are against Trump than for Trump is disingenuous. Just as many, if not more, people support Warren's position than oppose it.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2017, 06:32:31 PM
Yes, but to say, "This is why Trump won," when more people are against Trump than for Trump is disingenuous. Just as many, if not more, people support Warren's position than oppose it.
Warren is a radical
People like her are the reason Trumps President
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 08, 2017, 06:39:34 PM
Warren is a radicalTrump is sane though.
People like her are the reason Trumps President
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2017, 06:40:45 PM
Trump is sane though.
No Trumps an ignorant egomaniac.
And radicals are the reason he's president of the United States instead of a reality TV star like he should be
Post by: sg3 on February 08, 2017, 06:41:10 PM
He also didn't "get rich quick". Dude worked his derriere off for over 40 years to build his empire. His father had a modest company that owned low income buildings in Brooklyn and Queens and Trump took it to a whole other level. That ain't easy.The most hilarious post in JO history.
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2017, 07:22:35 PM
Warren is a radical
People like her are the reason Trumps President
No, opinions like this are part of the reason why Trump is President. She isn't even remotely radical. She's a highly lauded and incredibly qualified specialist in commercial and bankruptcy law, and every capitalist economy absolutely needs someone like her heading up their government committee on banking and financial regulation because the whole freaking point of regulation is that industries need their feet to be held to the fire.
The fact that you think she is radical because she isn't a yes man for an industry whose primary aim is to make a very small number of people very rich at the expense of the vast majority of the populace speaks either to your radicalism or your gullibility.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2017, 07:29:24 PM
No, opinions like this are part of the reason why Trump is President. She isn't even remotely radical. She's a highly lauded and incredibly qualified specialist in commercial and bankruptcy law, and every capitalist economy absolutely needs someone like her heading up their government committee on banking and financial regulation because the whole freaking point of regulation is that industries need their feet to be held to the fire.
The fact that you think she is radical because she isn't a yes man for an industry whose primary aim is to make a very small number of people very rich at the expense of the vast majority of the populace speaks either to your radicalism or your gullibility.
Weird because when she was nominated 538 wrote an article saying she would have been the most liberal presidential candidate of the modern era (since at least 1972), possibly ever.
And to me that spells radical. And not just because she's liberal, I think someone who is the most conservative candidate since 1972 (or ever) would also be an absolutely terrible thing.
This country needs reasonable people who are willing to make sensible decisions that are the best given the circumstances.
Rubber banding between crazies on tbe far left and far right is absolutely freaking idiotic, and a huge part of why Americans are so frustrated with the establishment, and was Trumps biggest positive (him being a political outside and non politician)
I guess you don't think the Republicans nominating someone like Sarah Palin would be radical though. I'm glad to know that
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2017, 07:54:05 PM
Weird because when she was nominated 538 wrote an article saying she would have been the most liberal presidential candidate of the modern era (since at least 1972), possibly ever.Luke McCown has been the best quarterback in Cleveland since 1993. Does that mean that Luke McCown is a good quarterback?
And to me that spells radical. And not just because she's liberal, I think someone who is the most conservative candidate since 1972 (or ever) would also be an absolutely terrible thing.
This country needs reasonable people who are willing to make sensible decisions that are the best given the circumstances.
Rubber banding between crazies on tbe far left and far right is absolutely freaking idiotic, and a huge part of why Americans are so frustrated with the establishment, and was Trumps biggest positive (him being a political outside and non politician)
I guess you don't think the Republicans nominating someone like Sarah Palin would be radical though. I'm glad to know that
The issue isn't that Warren is radical. By any sensible objective measure she really isn't and it's clear that you don't understand the meaning of the term. The occupants of the political spectrum in America, like several other Western countries, have shifted significantly to the right, but the spectrum itself remains unchanged.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 08, 2017, 09:14:12 PM
This is just too good.
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-administration-leaks_us_589a45f1e4b04061313a1fbb
This is just too good.
So you're just going to believe anything negative about him? Do you also believe in every "leak" about the Jets when reported by Manish? Come on.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 08, 2017, 09:32:11 PM
So you're just going to believe anything negative about him? Do you also believe in every "leak" about the Jets when reported by Manish? Come on.
Nothing in that article surprises me.
Post by: Tommy on February 08, 2017, 09:55:13 PM
Nothing in that article surprises me.
And it doesn't surprise me that you take every word as gospel.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2017, 10:08:21 PM
Lol yeah OK
Elizabeth Warren is basically Nancy Pelosi.
That's not a winning ticket
No, that is an awful comparison.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2017, 10:11:32 PM
There are millions of people who are born wealthy who don't amount to excrement.
Of course, not all of them are as sociopathic as Trump.
Post by: Johnny English on February 08, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
So you're just going to believe anything negative about him? Do you also believe in every "leak" about the Jets when reported by Manish? Come on.
Can you think of a President who has had such an overwhelming barrage of leaks? At what point do you have to accept that just maybe some of it has merit? Obama dealt with a Republican House for most of his tenure and they used tactics that were pretty much unprecedented, but nothing like this deluge of drama existed. I'm curious as to how far into farce this will have to descend before you end up having to accept that this man is patently unsuited to the role.
Post by: sg3 on February 09, 2017, 04:24:11 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-administration-leaks_us_589a45f1e4b04061313a1fbbThe obvious solution for the fat dope wandering around the WH at 3 AM in his bathrobe.
This is just too good.
Fire all those "bad hombres" he's hired and put the 100% duped Tommyanne in charge of everything.
Is President Bannon smart enough to do it?
Doubtful
Post by: Miamipuck on February 09, 2017, 07:00:04 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-administration-leaks_us_589a45f1e4b04061313a1fbb (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-administration-leaks_us_589a45f1e4b04061313a1fbb)
This is just too good.
There is not one thing in that article that is unbelievable, judging by the loon these idiots voted in, how can you not think otherwise.
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 09, 2017, 08:14:33 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 08:49:32 AM
Tommy loves Trump more than badger loved rex.
hahahahaha
Post by: Fenwyr on February 09, 2017, 11:05:19 AM
Did you not pay attention to the last election? People like Warren are the reason why Trump won and why the Republicans lost both the house and senate. The "holier than thou" approach that Dems like her have adopted over the years doesn't play well anymore. No ones falling for her schtick except shills like you.Feel free to quote something from her that is a flat out lie, or that does not fall in line with the majority of americans.
Trump won because 40% of the population was stupid enough to believe his bullshit.
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Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2017, 11:55:13 AM
Fox & Friends this morning, speaking from the White House Briefing Room, with the American flag on one side of her and the official White House emblem on the other:
Quote
“Go buy Ivanka’s stuff, is what I would tell you. I hate shopping, but I am going to go get some myself today,” said Conway. “This is just — it’s a wonderful line, I own some of it, I’m just gonna give a free commercial here, go buy it today, you can buy it online.”
They're operating QVC out of the White House. Almost literally.
Post by: IATA on February 09, 2017, 12:31:56 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 01:01:52 PM
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*ChgiWTKLf2v1Fr_fiiBk6g.png)
Fox & Friends this morning, speaking from the White House Briefing Room, with the American flag on one side of her and the official White House emblem on the other:
They're operating QVC out of the White House. Almost literally.
I agree that she shouldn't be making these comments, but unless Conway stands to gain financially from her endorsement of Ivanka's line then she hasn't breached anything. Jared Kushner saying this, on the other hand, would definitely count as a violation of this clause.
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2017, 01:02:43 PM
I agree that she shouldn't be making these comments, but unless Conway stands to gain financially from her endorsement of Ivanka's line then she hasn't breached anything. Jared Kushner saying this, on the other hand, would definitely count as a violation of this clause.
Did you even freaking read the statute that I posted and that you quoted?
Post by: Fenwyr on February 09, 2017, 01:07:17 PM
I agree that she shouldn't be making these comments, but unless Conway stands to gain financially from her endorsement of Ivanka's line then she hasn't breached anything. Jared Kushner saying this, on the other hand, would definitely count as a violation of this clause.Nobody in public office can pimp a private for profit organization at all. Its like illegal and stuff.
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Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 01:07:46 PM
Did you even freaking read the statute that I posted and that you quoted?
Did you? Is Conway an affiliate of Ivanka's company? Is she seeking employment within Ivanka's company? Does she own an interest in the company? This statute doesn't apply to her then.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 09, 2017, 01:11:20 PM
Did you? Is Conway an affiliate of Ivanka's company? Is she seeking employment within Ivanka's company? Does she own an interest in the company? This statute doesn't apply to her then.Read past the first comma.
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2017, 01:15:26 PM
Did you? Is Conway an affiliate of Ivanka's company? Is she seeking employment within Ivanka's company? Does she own an interest in the company? This statute doesn't apply to her then.
It requires mental gymnastics of an absolutely staggering level to convince yourself that pimping your boss's daughter's company is not using the office for personal gain, or that the Trump spawn do not fall under "persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity".
But seeing as your ability to convince yourself that absolutely nothing is wrong here is unfathomable in its depths, let's go a little further into that statute.
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*KimBDKSxNczMIkgSxynK2Q.png)
Please explain to me how pimping the spawn's products satisfies either of those exemptions. Should probably explain it to this guy while you're at it:
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“You couldn’t think of a clearer example of violating the ban of using your government position as kind of a walking billboard for products or services offered by a private individual,” said Laurence Tribe, a professor of constitutional law at Harvard. “She is attempting quite crudely to enrich Ivanka and therefore the president’s family.”
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 01:18:18 PM
Nobody in public office can pimp a private for profit organization at all. Its like illegal and stuff.
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"or for the private gain of (friends, family, persona whom s(he) is affiliated with in a non-government capacity..."
Her only affiliation with Ivanka is that Ivanka is Conway's boss' daughter.
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 09, 2017, 01:20:55 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 01:22:54 PM
It requires mental gymnastics of an absolutely staggering level to convince yourself that pimping your boss's daughter's company is not using the office for personal gain, or that the Trump spawn do not fall under "persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity".
But seeing as your ability to convince yourself that absolutely nothing is wrong here is unfathomable in its depths, let's go a little further into that statute.
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*KimBDKSxNczMIkgSxynK2Q.png)
Please explain to me how pimping the spawn's products satisfies either of those exemptions. Should probably explain it to this guy while you're at it:
You're all playing armchair judges here. None of you, including myself, are experts in constitutional law, nor do any of us have the authority or right to say that something done is in "clear violation". If a judge interprets her comments and her relationship with Ivanka as relevant to this particular statute then fine. Otherwise you're just arguing over nothing.
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2017, 01:25:49 PM
You're all playing armchair judges here. None of you, including myself, are experts in constitutional law, nor do any of us have the authority or right to say that something done is in "clear violation". If a judge interprets her comments and her relationship with Ivanka as relevant to this particular statute then fine. Otherwise you're just arguing over nothing.
LOLOLOLOL
"Your opinion is worthless because you're not an expert on constitutional law, but the opinion of this guy who is an expert on constitutional law is worthless because he's not a judge."
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 01:27:01 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on February 09, 2017, 01:29:54 PM
You're all playing armchair judges here. None of you, including myself, are experts in constitutional law, nor do any of us have the authority or right to say that something done is in "clear violation". If a judge interprets her comments and her relationship with Ivanka as relevant to this particular statute then fine. Otherwise you're just arguing over nothing.No. We are trying to explain to you in the simplest of terms that they are not allowed to pimp products or companies at all. It doesnt matter if there is a financial stake involved.
Lets say Trump has no stake in Coke. He still cannot tell everyone to drink Coke.
You are the only one arguing against facts.
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Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 01:32:07 PM
LOLOLOLOL
"Your opinion is worthless because you're not an expert on constitutional law, but the opinion of this guy who is an expert on constitutional law is worthless because he's not a judge."
There are hundreds of thousands of legal experts in this country with varying levels of opinions on how to interpret laws and regulations and whether or not they're violated. That's the whole point of the hearing on Trump's travel ban.
The Director of the Office of Government Ethics will likely review this and suggest the appropriate disciplinary action. I just read that she was "counseled" by the Office of Government Ethics after her comments, so that's probably the end of that anyway.
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 01:52:13 PM
No. We are trying to explain to you in the simplest of terms that they are not allowed to pimp products or companies at all. It doesnt matter if there is a financial stake involved.
Lets say Trump has no stake in Coke. He still cannot tell everyone to drink Coke.
You are the only one arguing against facts.
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Trump didn't say anything, Conway did. She'll be reprimanded internally. That's the law. There are ethical guidelines against what she did, but no actual legal ramifications.
Post by: Pope on February 09, 2017, 02:01:25 PM
Trump 4D Chess
Post by: Fenwyr on February 09, 2017, 02:10:27 PM
Trump didn't say anything, Conway did. She'll be reprimanded internally. That's the law. There are ethical guidelines against what she did, but no actual legal ramifications.I was just using the Trump hypothetical to make it easier for you.
Maybe the better example is LL Bean. A couple of days before his inauguration he tweeted about how great the company was and how everyone should buy their stuff. If he had done that after the inauguration, every competing company would have been able to sue, and would have had strong cases.
Sort of like how half the hotels in DC filed suit a minute after he was sworn in.
Its an issue that is not going away.
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Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 02:19:08 PM
I was just using the Trump hypothetical to make it easier for you.
Maybe the better example is LL Bean. A couple of days before his inauguration he tweeted about how great the company was and how everyone should buy their stuff. If he had done that after the inauguration, every competing company would have been able to sue, and would have had strong cases.
Sort of like how half the hotels in DC filed suit a minute after he was sworn in.
Its an issue that is not going away.
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Well, what happened with the LL Bean thing then?
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2017, 02:44:00 PM
Well, what happened with the LL Bean thing then?
To be fair, I have slightly less issue with the LL Bean statement. It was clumsy and it was born from personal gain in the sense that he said it because they supported him, but I actually do want to see our leaders encouraging people to buy good quality domestic product over excrement imports because they're cheap.
Speaking of which, guess where Ivanka Trump's products are made? (Hint: it's not one of the 50.)
Post by: Fenwyr on February 09, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Well, what happened with the LL Bean thing then?Just bad press because he wasnt president yet. If he were president he could have been sued.
The JE's comment. Anyone can come out and say buy American. You just cannot promote individual American companies. I guess one loophole would be a specific company donating to disaster relief, but you would have name all companies that donated, etc.
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Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 02:55:15 PM
To be fair, I have slightly less issue with the LL Bean statement. It was clumsy and it was born from personal gain in the sense that he said it because they supported him, but I actually do want to see our leaders encouraging people to buy good quality domestic product over excrement imports because they're cheap.
Speaking of which, guess where Ivanka Trump's products are made? (Hint: it's not one of the 50.)
I'll agree that a lot of Trump's attacks have been personal in nature, and he believed that what Nordstrom did was political, basically hurting Ivanka because some shoppers don't like him. Conway definitely shouldn't have said what she did, and there's no question that it raises some ethics concerns on her part, but it's getting a bit overblown. Besides, Ivanka is still in the process of removing herself from the business so that she can join in as an adviser anyway. Considering her track record for women's rights, etc, people should be happy to have someone like her advising who they consider to be a misogynistic president.
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 02:55:50 PM
http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_1a134cae19f148f791a52965f001f026.pdf
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
The funny thing is if they just let the comment happen and disciplined her without all the hoopla it probably wouldn't have made a difference. Now you have the Streisand Effect of everyone making a big stink about it and will lead people to actually checking out her clothing line.You checked out her clothing line?
Trump 4D Chess
Fag.
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 03:00:33 PM
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2017, 03:02:26 PM
Anyway, according to a newly released Emerson College poll, most Americans trust Trump over the media:(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170209/25a37ba2d67a3a2380b64e735bbb9730.jpg)
http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_1a134cae19f148f791a52965f001f026.pdf
Because when I want to take the pulse of the nation, I ask people with a landline who are home in the middle of the day and have nothing better to do than sit through a robocall.
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 03:14:23 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170209/25a37ba2d67a3a2380b64e735bbb9730.jpg)
Because when I want to take the pulse of the nation, I ask people with a landline who are home in the middle of the day and have nothing better to do than sit through a robocall.
Missed that part. Maybe that's why all the polls that said that Hillary would win by a landslide were wrong. Not even sure how they can accurately poll people without being able to call their cell phones.
I worked at one of those polling call centers here in the city for a few weeks while in college. You'd be amazed at how many bored young people actually would complete the polls just because they had nothing better to do on a Sunday/etc. Anyway, 8 hours of that for 6 weeks almost drove me insane. Only things I took away from that was that everyone in Alaska loves the Murkowsky family, and no one knew what Jared jewelers was compared to Zales and Kay. Guess you can thank me for those "He went to Jared" commercials we've been seeing the last 15 years.
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 03:37:13 PM
This isn't really good news for me as my business relies heavily on hedge funds, and the DOW has been up 26% since this time last year. Though it's great for our 401Ks, hedge funds haven't been able to come close to that last year. Not crediting Trump, just saying.
Post by: Tommy on February 09, 2017, 03:46:56 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2017, 03:55:12 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 09, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
Her punishment will be banging Trump.
With or without the dead raccoon on his head?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2017, 04:39:31 PM
With or without the dead raccoon on his head?He'll make her wear it while they do it.
Post by: Jumbo on February 09, 2017, 05:45:56 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2017, 08:21:17 PM
Lyin' Don of course took his usual adult, professional, statesmanlike approach by SHOUTING ON TWITTER.
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 09, 2017, 08:24:22 PM
9th Circuit rules unanimously to uphold the decision to stay the Muslim ban (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ninth-circuit-travel-ban-2017-story.html)
Lyin' Don of course took his usual adult, professional, statesmanlike approach by SHOUTING ON TWITTER.
I'm concerned this is going to turn into a big Trump win when we get a terrorist attack over the weekend or early next week. Hopefully I'm just being paranoid on thst thought.
Post by: JFIF on February 09, 2017, 08:39:48 PM
I'm concerned this is going to turn into a big Trump win when we get a terrorist attack over the weekend or early next week. Hopefully I'm just being paranoid on thst thought.
He's certainly hoping for that.
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2017, 08:54:10 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 09, 2017, 08:57:41 PM
My favourite bit of this at the moment is Trump raging on Twitter "SEE YOU IN COURT". Like, where the freak do you think this was happening?
Haha I checked.out his subreddit for the first time.in awhile and they are all sporting huge freedom boners from.that.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2017, 08:58:54 PM
Haha I checked.out his subreddit for the first time.in awhile and they are all sporting huge freedom boners from.that.I've never had a freedom boner before. Morning wood. Mid-class high school boner. Never a freedom boner.
Post by: IATA on February 09, 2017, 09:28:07 PM
He'll also tweet about how he was right all along BEFORE he offers condolences.
Post by: Johnny English on February 09, 2017, 09:36:15 PM
Time to start the conspiracy wheel turning. Trump is going to order someone competent to organize and follow through with a terrorist attack in the US, and will in short order tweet about how he was right all along.
He'll also tweet about how he was right all along BEFORE he offers condolences.
Dude, his staff apparently can't figure out how to turn on the lights in WH meeting rooms. The intelligence community hates him. Who, exactly, is he going to order to plan and execute this attack? The guy is virtually a lame duck already, reduced to shilling for his family's little online storefronts while the government stagnates.
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2017, 11:24:18 PM
Time to start the conspiracy wheel turning. Trump is going to order someone competent to organize and follow through with a terrorist attack in the US, and will in short order tweet about how he was right all along.
He'll also tweet about how he was right all along BEFORE he offers condolences.
$20 says they hit Bowling Green.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2017, 06:18:41 AM
Post by: NDMick on February 10, 2017, 08:11:13 AM
I thought Todd Bowles just left office?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2017, 08:14:15 AM
It's like watching the New York Jets in the White House.
I thought Todd Bowles just left office?
If the White House were our 2016 season, the President would make no aggressive moves and punt everything to the UN on 4th down.
Post by: Johnny English on February 10, 2017, 11:44:50 AM
Trump tweets out a quote from a law blog that he thinks is supporting him in his battle over the ban, but clearly didn't read it (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/318885-trump-rips-court-for-disgraceful-decision)
Betsy DeVos tried to do a PR visit to a school and was turned away by protesters (http://thehill.com/homenews/news/318924-devos-blocked-from-entering-dc-school)
Post by: Johnny English on February 10, 2017, 04:33:16 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
MORE FAKE NEWS
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
That was the longest article that should have been about 2 paragraphs long.
Post by: Tommy on February 10, 2017, 04:51:07 PM
MORE FAKE NEWS
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
Why is Spicer blaming CNN? They're just reporting what intelligence officials have said. Besides, the information that was corroborated wasn't even the damning stuff against Trump.
Post by: Johnny English on February 10, 2017, 04:52:09 PM
Why is Spicer blaming CNN?
BECAUSE THERE ARE NO TANKS AT THE GATES
Post by: Tommy on February 10, 2017, 04:56:50 PM
BECAUSE THERE ARE NO TANKS AT THE GATES
I don't get it
Post by: Johnny English on February 10, 2017, 06:19:54 PM
I don't get itYou wouldn't.
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2017, 11:11:33 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2017, 12:38:17 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 11, 2017, 08:40:00 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 11, 2017, 09:31:19 AM
I'm sorry, but the president is "obsessive about looks and appearance"? Nah. He dresses like the boss of a photocopier maintenance company.
lolololol
I'll give his critics that. What good is a $2,000 suit when you don't wear it properly?
Post by: Pope on February 11, 2017, 09:32:03 AM
lololololPlease don't insult GodKing Trump
I'll give his critics that. What good is a $2,000 suit when you don't wear it properly?
Post by: Tommy on February 11, 2017, 09:46:50 AM
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/donald-trump-challenges-governing-presidency-234879
I mean it's been three weeks and the guy has zero government experience. Also his entire cabinet and all positions have yet to be filled, so it's not unusual for there to be a bit of confusion during a rollout. Besides, it's only been 3 weeks.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 11, 2017, 10:19:33 AM
I mean it's been three weeks and the guy has zero government experience. Also his entire cabinet and all positions have yet to be filled, so it's not unusual for there to be a bit of confusion during a rollout. Besides, it's only been 3 weeks.
His biggest failure is hes not trying to keep it simple
A less is more approach and he could have been pretty successful. Instead hes trying to implement a master plan, and hes just not capable of fighting on so many fronts
Post by: Tommy on February 11, 2017, 10:25:57 AM
His biggest failure is hes not trying to keep it simple
A less is more approach and he could have been pretty successful. Instead hes trying to implement a master plan, and hes just not capable of fighting on so many fronts
That's what he's used to though. I see how he's laying the seeds as soon as he can rather than waiting for one project to finish before starting on the next one. We've just never seen anything like this in the executive brand, plus the media has so many stories to cover it's been pretty overwhelming. Maybe that's his plan.
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2017, 10:26:14 AM
His biggest failure is hes not trying to keep it simple
A less is more approach and he could have been pretty successful. Instead hes trying to implement a master plan, and hes just not capable of fighting on so many fronts
If he'd spent a few hours taking some basic Civics classes he might have started off a bit better.
Post by: Tommy on February 11, 2017, 11:08:04 AM
If he'd spent a few hours taking some basic Civics classes he might have started off a bit better.
Can't teach an old dog new tricks. He'll adapt a bit, but not by much. I'm still optimistic about what he can do for the country.
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2017, 01:31:49 PM
- Sub-contract the job to a bunch of smaller companies using illegal labour
- Build it with cheap imported materials from China
- Not pay the sub-contractors
I hope he also paints it gold.
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2017, 03:43:02 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 11, 2017, 04:23:54 PM
This whole "paid protesters" narrative that the Trumpanzees are trying to peddle is hilariously weak, even by their standards.
I could use some extra cash I would take some money to go protest. Too bad Soros is keeping the application so secret.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 11, 2017, 05:42:15 PM
If he'd spent a few hours taking some basic Civics classes he might have started off a bit better.
Not even that
Just his ideas
Like his crazy immigration ban with all this stupid excrement, and specific rules for certain countries. Instead if he made a rule that you have to submit a basic form if you enter the United States (which could flag background checks on individuals who meet certain criteria) or something freaking basic.
He's just doing too much too soon too specific
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2017, 05:49:43 PM
Not even that
Just his ideas
Like his crazy immigration ban with all this stupid excrement, and specific rules for certain countries. Instead if he made a rule that you have to submit a basic form if you enter the United States (which could flag background checks on individuals who meet certain criteria) or something freaking basic.
He's just doing too much too soon too specific
You already do have to submit a form. You either to apply for a visa which involves filling in a bunch of paperwork in advance, or if you're a national of a small number of countries operating under the Visa Waiver Program (e.g. the UK) you have to fill in a form at the port of entry and then answer a bunch of questions asked by a CBP agent.
The only country's nationals I'm aware of that don't have to do either of these things is Canada.
Post by: Tommy on February 11, 2017, 06:00:08 PM
Not even that
Just his ideas
Like his crazy immigration ban with all this stupid excrement, and specific rules for certain countries. Instead if he made a rule that you have to submit a basic form if you enter the United States (which could flag background checks on individuals who meet certain criteria) or something freaking basic.
He's just doing too much too soon too specific
Then ban was temporary while the new administration and department of homeland security reviews entry procedures and protocols. That was the whole point.
Post by: Badger on February 11, 2017, 07:58:13 PM
This whole "paid protesters" narrative that the Trumpanzees are trying to peddle is hilariously weak, even by their standards.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170212/0cc8b1247da8f131b8d4c891c9702822.jpg)
Post by: Tommy on February 12, 2017, 07:58:37 PM
Post by: Badger on February 12, 2017, 11:34:37 PM
Melania and Trump had gone in their first couple of dates, and this was Melania's first time at Donald Trump's estate. They were enjoying Margaritas by the pool where Eric and Ivanka Trump were playing in. They had just graduated high school and turned 18.
Donald made a request to one of his kids, "Eric, I believe Ms Knauss need some more ice, do you mind?"
"Sure, no problem" Eric said leaping out of the pool and coming running over to the kitchen.
On the surface Melania appeared to give him little heed. But hidden behind her sunglasses, she took the opportunity to look over, and appraise the half naked young man. Donald has said quite a bit about him, during their last date.
Melania: "Hi Eric. Thanks for the ice"
"Sorry it took so long, and here is your ice." Eric liked it when his Dad's dates came over. They were all very pretty. And they were always nice to him.
Donald chided him, 'I was just telling her about your physical'
'Dad!' Eric fumed, quite exasperated, as he started to turn red.
'They didn't believe me, when I said told them that you were already developed, and were so large!'
'DAD!' he was about to die from this embarrassment.
'In fact young man', Donald ordered, 'why don't you just drop that speedo so Ms Knauss can see that your dad isn't a liar.
Melania couldn't believe he said that, nor could poor Eric.
'What?'
'You heard me, off with it!' A few seconds went by as he stared him down. Finally his resolve broke, and his hands went to the waist of his swimsuit.
Melania gasped as he whipped the speedo down. His rooster sprang free.
"Oohh, my, yes you are developed." Melania lifted up her sunglasses, her eyes clearly fastened on his penis and said, "Eric you have nothing to be ashamed of. Many boys would kill to be hung like you.'
Sitting up in her chair to get a better look, she continued,'Ya know you're already alot bigger then some full grown men are'
Those kinds of comments continued and under her gaze his member started hardening.
'Ooh Look,' exclaimed Melania,'He's getting an erection!'
Eric had shrinkage from the pool, but Melania's eyes which focused on his penis were like invisble hands stroking his rooster. It was like someone filling up a water balloon. It just started to swell and swell.
She was shocked into silence as she watched this boy grow a massive erection.
Finally Donald broke the silence. 'See Melania, I do not lie. I told you he was fully developed!', Mercifully he said, 'Okay, thank you Eric, you can go now.'
Eric pulled up the speedo. Although it was difficult to get it back in now that it had lengthened.
Eric retreated to his room where he played it all back in his head.
Back at the pool, Ivanka sat speechless as she saw the whole thing go down. This was the first time she saw her brother . . . as a man.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 12, 2017, 11:45:10 PM
Post by: Badger on February 13, 2017, 05:20:52 AM
^^Penthouse Forum?
CNN
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 13, 2017, 07:04:01 AM
Quote
Alex Jones: Trump is so fire-breathing, so energetic, so cunning, so real, and he’s having results so amazing that it just makes me endeared to Trump – I’m ready to die for Trump, at this point. And I’m already ready to die for America, it’s the same feeling I have for America, because he is America, you’re America.
Seems Legit
Post by: Johnny English on February 13, 2017, 08:11:31 AM
Post by: Badger on February 13, 2017, 08:19:06 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 13, 2017, 08:22:26 AM
I miss 2007 when Alex Jones didn't seem as crazy.
Wasn't he on Ancient Aliens?
Post by: Fenwyr on February 13, 2017, 11:16:21 AM
Then ban was temporary while the new administration and department of homeland security reviews entry procedures and protocols. That was the whole point.I'm going to ban all muslims until we can figure out what's going on.
When, exactly, do you think he is going to figure out what's going on.
There was already extreme vetting going on while he was campaigning on extreme vetting.
Do you really think wealthy Saudi and Egyptian extremists will have any trouble flying into the states?
It could be Bush repeated. War time presidents get reelected.
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Post by: Tommy on February 13, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
"The Trump rally is going to continue for a few weeks at least."
I'm glad you can criticise me for oversimplifying the complexities of the market without any hypocrisy or irony
Have you and DCM been following the markets the last few weeks? You were saying something about me being wrong?
Andrew Ryan, a portfolio manager, was convinced that the "Trump Rally", if we're going to call it, was over. It's not. I'm sure he has many satisfied clients.
Post by: Tommy on February 13, 2017, 03:16:19 PM
I'm going to ban all muslims until we can figure out what's going on.
When, exactly, do you think he is going to figure out what's going on.
There was already extreme vetting going on while he was campaigning on extreme vetting.
Do you really think wealthy Saudi and Egyptian extremists will have any trouble flying into the states?
It could be Bush repeated. War time presidents get reelected.
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Why are you going back to the campaign trail rather than actually reading the executive order? If it was a Muslim Ban, why did he exclude the vast majority of Islamic countries? Yeah, there's already a vetting process in place, but the Middle East and ISIS is a bigger problem now that it was, so things MAY have to be updated. What the hell is wrong with being a bit more vigilant?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 13, 2017, 05:01:08 PM
Stephen Miller:
Quote
Our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.
Yeah... that doesn't sound like authoritarianism at all...
Post by: Tommy on February 13, 2017, 11:06:16 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 13, 2017, 11:16:56 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 13, 2017, 11:22:12 PM
One liar down, let's see how many more to go.
I know you want to blast this guy because of his association with Trump, but keep in mind that Obama also trusted the guy enough to appoint him Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency for 2 years, which also had to be confirmed by the Senate.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 13, 2017, 11:37:37 PM
I know you want to blast this guy because of his association with Trump, but keep in mind that Obama also trusted the guy enough to appoint him Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency for 2 years, which also had to be confirmed by the Senate.I want to blast the guy because he's further proof that our President is compromised by Russia.
- Russia hacked the DNC in order to help Trump
- Paul Manafort got fired over his ties to Russia/Soviet Union
- Carter Page resigned due to his ties to Russia
- A dossier comes out saying that Russia has compromising information on Trump
- Trump appoints a Secretary of State with significant ties to Russia
- Flynn calls Russia the day Obama sanctions Russia, then lies about the phone call to members of the White House.
This is just more smoke. Eventually, the fire will come to light. I'm sure I left out a lot in my bullet points above, too.
Post by: sg3 on February 14, 2017, 05:00:59 AM
Now only Miller, Priebus, Conway, Bannon, Pence and Trump to go to complete the draining of the swamp
Post by: MBGreen on February 14, 2017, 07:37:39 AM
One down(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170214/862f36dcf53416d881ee0e7042a5fc3c.gif)
Now only Miller, Priebus, Conway, Bannon, Pence and Trump to go to complete the draining of the swamp
Post by: Johnny English on February 14, 2017, 08:03:30 AM
I want to blast the guy because he's further proof that our President is compromised by Russia.
- Russia hacked the DNC in order to help Trump
- Paul Manafort got fired over his ties to Russia/Soviet Union
- Carter Page resigned due to his ties to Russia
- A dossier comes out saying that Russia has compromising information on Trump
- Trump appoints a Secretary of State with significant ties to Russia
- Flynn calls Russia the day Obama sanctions Russia, then lies about the phone call to members of the White House.
This is just more smoke. Eventually, the fire will come to light. I'm sure I left out a lot in my bullet points above, too.
https://youtu.be/H6NXkr9yuw0?t=33
Post by: Johnny English on February 14, 2017, 08:08:32 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 14, 2017, 08:25:49 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 14, 2017, 08:27:40 AM
I want to blast the guy because he's further proof that our President is compromised by Russia.
- Russia hacked the DNC in order to help Trump
- Paul Manafort got fired over his ties to Russia/Soviet Union
- Carter Page resigned due to his ties to Russia
- A dossier comes out saying that Russia has compromising information on Trump
- Trump appoints a Secretary of State with significant ties to Russia
- Flynn calls Russia the day Obama sanctions Russia, then lies about the phone call to members of the White House.
This is just more smoke. Eventually, the fire will come to light. I'm sure I left out a lot in my bullet points above, too.
Your whole Russia conspiracy theory is going to drive you insane. Is this the new "Bush did 911"?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 14, 2017, 08:31:42 AM
Your whole Russia conspiracy theory is going to drive you insane. Is this the new "Bush did 911"?
(https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder576/12550576.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on February 14, 2017, 08:33:05 AM
Regarding the Trump administration and twitter, they are a bunch of seagulls- fly in, makes a lot of noise, excrement on everything, and then leave. Well, one left.
(http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/flock-of-seagulls-jive-records.jpg)
Post by: Tommy on February 14, 2017, 08:35:07 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4mdcmWUYAAokFO.jpg)
Just to be clear, it's not illegal for private citizens to speak to foreign diplomats. What does violate the Logan Act is if they openly negotiate on behalf of the U.S government. It's more of a he-said-she-said thing, as there's no way of knowing what was said in that conversation. If the Russians have recordings of it, then that could be used as blackmail, but that's a big if. Flynn said that the subject of sanctions may have been brought up, but I'm willing to give a guy like him the benefit of the doubt considering his experience. Maybe he did mention it in passing, I don't know. No one does. Forcing him out was the right move given the accusations, which are hard to disprove, but going on this witch hunt as if Flynn is some sort of Russian puppet is absurd.
Post by: reuben on February 14, 2017, 10:18:11 AM
One down
Now only Miller, Priebus, Conway, Bannon, Pence and Trump to go to complete the draining of the swamp
Also Cersei and The Hound.
Post by: guinness77 on February 14, 2017, 10:28:32 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 14, 2017, 10:48:05 AM
Why does Trump or anybody associated with him constantly use exclamation points?
Why does a billionaire the self confessed best thing in the world dress like his dad 50 years ago and wear a dead raccoon on his head?
Post by: Jetaho on February 14, 2017, 12:49:02 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 15, 2017, 04:23:47 PM
Another domino falls.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 15, 2017, 04:57:57 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 15, 2017, 05:04:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 15, 2017, 05:08:19 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 15, 2017, 07:19:56 PM
http://www.newsweek.com/allies-intercept-russia-trump-adviser-communications-557283
Let me guess. Newsweek is fake news as well, right?
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 15, 2017, 07:56:56 PM
Holy excrement.
http://www.newsweek.com/allies-intercept-russia-trump-adviser-communications-557283
Let me guess. Newsweek is fake news as well, right?
The_Donald is claiming the whole thing was planned by Trump and Flynn to force the intelligence agencies to reveal their secrets to the media in order to validate their clsims. They seem serious too.
Post by: Johnny English on February 15, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
The_Donald is claiming the whole thing was planned by Trump and Flynn to force the intelligence agencies to reveal their secrets to the media in order to validate their clsims. They seem serious too.
I'm not sure how Flynn losing his job can end up being part of a master plan, and I'm very sure that Trump and Flynn are not even remotely smart enough to outwit the ranked masses of the world's intelligence agencies. Frankly, I'm not sure that Trump and Flynn are smart enough to outwit some of my furniture.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 15, 2017, 08:55:38 PM
The_Donald is claiming the whole thing was planned by Trump and Flynn to force the intelligence agencies to reveal their secrets to the media in order to validate their clsims. They seem serious too.I had to google what the_donald was. I'm not a reddit expert. Good Lord there are some different things in there. I don't know what half of it means. What is the Deep State? My wife says it's what I never give her in the bedroom (zing).
At some point, satire and sarcasm are so deep you can't tell what's real anymore. It's like there's a Junc vortex in which time is a flat circle. AAAAAHHHHHH!!!
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 15, 2017, 09:12:53 PM
I had to google what the_donald was. I'm not a reddit expert. Good Lord there are some different things in there. I don't know what half of it means. What is the Deep State? My wife says it's what I never give her in the bedroom (zing).
At some point, satire and sarcasm are so deep you can't tell what's real anymore. It's like there's a Junc vortex in which time is a flat circle. AAAAAHHHHHH!!!
From what I can tell the deep state is like black ops or some.excrement like that. The most secretive parts of the intelligence agencies that even the president doesn't know what they are doing.
It's a fun place to look at very alternative takes on situations.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 15, 2017, 09:15:53 PM
From what I can tell the deep state is like black ops or some.excrement like that. The most secretive parts of the intelligence agencies that even the president doesn't know what they are doing.I did laugh at the dude who reported his employer to ICE for hiring illegals. Who knows if it's real, but still.
It's a fun place to look at very alternative takes on situations.
Post by: Badger on February 15, 2017, 09:16:01 PM
I had to google what the_donald was. I'm not a reddit expert. Good Lord there are some different things in there. I don't know what half of it means. What is the Deep State? My wife says it's what I never give her in the bedroom (zing).
At some point, satire and sarcasm are so deep you can't tell what's real anymore. It's like there's a Junc vortex in which time is a flat circle. AAAAAHHHHHH!!!
It's called Poe's Law.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 15, 2017, 09:18:13 PM
It's called Poe's Law.I also had to google that.
Post by: sg3 on February 16, 2017, 04:56:48 AM
Puzder is withdrawing his nomination as there were four GOP Senators committed to voting against, and potentially another eight who were seriously considering it.Have no fear, President Bannon will come up somebody even worse
Another domino falls.
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2017, 07:22:24 AM
Have no fear, President Bannon will come up somebody even worseLike Scott Walker
Post by: Fenwyr on February 16, 2017, 09:33:56 AM
I really wanted to give the guy a chance. I wanted to give Bush a chance too. Is it possible that this will go even worse?
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Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2017, 10:22:56 AM
At this point I'm pretty sure we got the giant douche AND the excrement sandwich.
I really wanted to give the guy a chance. I wanted to give Bush a chance too. Is it possible that this will go even worse?
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Trump could still be successful on the economy which to many people is the biggest issue.
His approach has certainly been bipartisan with a mix of stuff to appeal to the right (lower taxes, deregulation) and stuff to appeal to the left (pro union, no Medicare/medicaid cuts, massive infrastructure spending)
If GDP growth meets or exceeds 3% Trump is a success, even if he fucks absolutely everything else up (which is possible)
And if he can do both things while lowering the national debt it would be hard not to get excited about that
Sure it will take the next regime after him a lot of extra work to fix a lot of the good will and relationships Trump fucked up, but if the economy is strong Americans will be better off because of it
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2017, 10:33:45 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2017, 10:45:33 AM
Trump will probably fail at his goals (many hope for this) for the same reason no other president succeeds. Congressional infighting. I don't see how any president could get much of anything done with such a polarized congress.
Trumps got some bipartisan liberal ideas on the economy. I think at least that gives some leverage to find a middle ground, at least on the economy
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 16, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 16, 2017, 10:46:05 AM
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Leaking, and even illegal classified leaking, has been a big problem in Washington for years. Failing @nytimes (and others) must apologize!
I guess the Washington Post should apologize for Watergate, too.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 16, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Trumps got some bipartisan liberal ideas on the economy. I think at least that gives some leverage to find a middle ground, at least on the economy
None of that will matter if Congress doesn't agree to fund his agenda.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2017, 10:53:43 AM
I guess the Washington Post should apologize for Watergate, too.
The same NYT reporter he's railing at is the one who broke the Clinton email story.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 16, 2017, 10:57:15 AM
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Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2017, 10:58:18 AM
None of that will matter if Congress doesn't agree to fund his agenda.
It's certainly possible. I agree that Trump is going to be a cluster freak of a presidency with all kinda of issues getting anything done. But I think there's at least serious potential that he could get a bipartisan bill on the economy through, which could be successful.
The fact that he was able to steal some swing states that rarely go Republican is going to put pressure on some Democrats to support some of his stuff, especially things which could be extremely reasonable and at least relatively bipartisan.
I mean how will Democrats defend themselves to their constituents if they shoot down a Trump economic plan which is dedicating hundreds of billions if not trillions to infrastructure which a huge chunk would go to American union jobs. There's no way they can shoot that down with hemorrhaging voters which historically have been in their pocket
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 16, 2017, 11:04:56 AM
I mean how will Democrats defend themselves to their constituents if they shoot down a Trump economic plan which is dedicating hundreds of billions if not trillions to infrastructure which a huge chunk would go to American union jobs. There's no way they can shoot that down with hemorrhaging voters which historically have been in their pocket
I don't think this will happen. I'm not convinced that the Republicans who control Congress will agree to a multibillion dollar infrastructure spending bill.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 16, 2017, 11:06:51 AM
His first 26 days have been a excrement fest.
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Post by: Tommy on February 16, 2017, 11:07:48 AM
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Zoom in on the picture
Funny. I met all of the adults in that photo. Trump in the 4th grade at Wolman Rink, the McMahons (was a concierge at Shane's building in TriBeCa 16 years ago. Remember TripleH gave me a high five when he left Shane's apt with Stephanie at like 3am. Think that was when they started dating. Also, Vince McMahon was a really nice and respectful guy. Shane was a fuckn douche and a shitty tipper. And I'm pretty sure his wife was cheating on him - was the midnight concierge so remember her coming back with her "friend" while Shane was away on business.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2017, 11:10:36 AM
I don't think this will happen. I'm not convinced that the Republicans who control Congress will agree to a multibillion dollar infrastructure spending bill.
Sure they will. You've seen Trump and the way he behaves, he will start tweeting and throwing all the Republicans under the bus as well as putting the fire to their balls.
Of course the bill would almost certainly favor Republican policies (being they control everything), but I think they would be willing to concede enough to make some Democrats happy.
It's a really interesting scenario where the "Republican" President is a liberalish reality star
Also there's no way social security would get included. It's way too complicated and controversial. You'd have a zero percent chance of Republicans raising the cap without going into privatizing it, which would be a shitstorm and nightmare.
Infrastructure, unions Medicare and Medicaid are the areas where Republicans could make the left happy
Post by: Tommy on February 16, 2017, 11:13:42 AM
I don't think this will happen. I'm not convinced that the Republicans who control Congress will agree to a multibillion dollar infrastructure spending bill.
Yeah but it's what their constituents want. Congressmen and congresswomen pretty much work to keep getting re-elected. Trump's victory, especially in districts that don't typically vote Republican, are going to be key in the midterm elections. If Trump succeeds, it'll be easier for them to be re-elected.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 16, 2017, 11:20:02 AM
Sure they will. You've seen Trump and the way he behaves, he will start tweeting and throwing all the Republicans under the bus as well as putting the fire to their balls.
Of course the bill would almost certainly favor Republican policies (being they control everything), but I think they would be willing to concede enough to make some Democrats happy.
It's a really interesting scenario where the "Republican" President is a liberalish reality star
What you don't understand is that Republicans in Congress are not going to feel compelled to comply with the President's policy initiatives when his approval rating is hovering in the 30's.
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2017, 11:20:24 AM
Trump could still be successful on the economy which to many people is the biggest issue.I wonder how many of the people who said you can't blame Bush for the recession because the president has little effect on the economy are the same people who voted for Trump because "the economy."
His approach has certainly been bipartisan with a mix of stuff to appeal to the right (lower taxes, deregulation) and stuff to appeal to the left (pro union, no Medicare/medicaid cuts, massive infrastructure spending)
If GDP growth meets or exceeds 3% Trump is a success, even if he fucks absolutely everything else up (which is possible)
And if he can do both things while lowering the national debt it would be hard not to get excited about that
Sure it will take the next regime after him a lot of extra work to fix a lot of the good will and relationships Trump fucked up, but if the economy is strong Americans will be better off because of it
And how is he gonna lower the national debt if he's going to increase spending and cut taxes?
I've set a low bar: get through the next 4 years without a war or gutting SS/Medicare and we'll call it a victory.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 16, 2017, 11:23:01 AM
Infrastructure, unions Medicare and Medicaid are the areas where Republicans could make the left happy
You can basically guarantee that the Republicans won't do something if they believe that it will "make the left happy".
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 16, 2017, 11:25:34 AM
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2017, 11:28:05 AM
Also there's no way social security would get included. It's way too complicated and controversial. You'd have a zero percent chance of Republicans raising the cap without going into privatizing it, which would be a shitstorm and nightmare.
Infrastructure, unions Medicare and Medicaid are the areas where Republicans could make the left happy
Are you aware they raised the cap this year by ~$9000?
Post by: Tommy on February 16, 2017, 12:20:02 PM
I wonder how many of the people who said you can't blame Bush for the recession because the president has little effect on the economy are the same people who voted for Trump because "the economy."
And how is he gonna lower the national debt if he's going to increase spending and cut taxes?
I've set a low bar: get through the next 4 years without a war or gutting SS/Medicare and we'll call it a victory.
The market is cyclical so you're always going to have peaks and troughs regardless of what the president does. In terms of what we consider "the economy" the president and his cabinet can make policies that can either encourage a bull market or create conditions for a bear market. Tax reform, trade policies, fiscal and monetary policies, etc. You have to look at what presidents have specifically done. A lot of people credit Clinton for the tech boom and bull market of the 90s, but can't explain what he specifically did. The economy was healthy under Bush until the credit crunch. He gets blamed for it of course, the Obama gets credit for the recovery even though TARP, enacted under Bush, essentially saved the financial system.
Anyway, renegotiating trade agreements in our favor, reforming tax and financial regulations to make doing business and getting business loans easier are just a few things that can have a very positive impact on jobs and the economy overall.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2017, 12:46:39 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2017, 12:47:40 PM
Are you aware they raised the cap this year by ~$9000?
I mean that did happen under Democrat control, and in the grand scheme of things it's not exactly a significant amount (I think the maximum increase is like 400$ in taxes a year or something)
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 16, 2017, 12:48:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4uWaUwXUAMCgcG.jpg)Funny thing is - he only got 304 electoral votes. So he can't even brag accurately.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2017, 12:53:57 PM
Well, which is it, you freaking ignoramus? Are the leaks real, or is the news fake?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 16, 2017, 01:09:52 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2017, 01:23:46 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on February 16, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
Trump just doesn't give a freak anymore at pressers.He really does sound like the drunk uncle at Thanksgiving.
He inherited a mess? Priceless.
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Post by: Tommy on February 16, 2017, 01:38:23 PM
So the information is accurate... but the news is fake.
The news about the sensationalized Russian conspiracy is fake news. People leaking classified conversations to the press actually happened.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 16, 2017, 01:40:45 PM
I legitimately don't understand how anyone can believe a word Trump says.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2017, 02:00:32 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 16, 2017, 03:02:30 PM
The news about the sensationalized Russian conspiracy is fake news. People leaking classified conversations to the press actually happened.
People were saying the same thing about Flynn talking to the Russian ambassador about the sanctions, that it was all a media conspiracy, and look how that turned out.
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2017, 04:06:26 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/15/how-stupid-or-liar-explains-michael-flynn-and-lots-of-other-trump-controversies/
Post by: Tommy on February 16, 2017, 04:12:43 PM
People were saying the same thing about Flynn talking to the Russian ambassador about the sanctions, that it was all a media conspiracy, and look how that turned out.
There's still no evidence that he talked sanctions or negotiated with them. Why don't we wait for actual proof before blowing a gasket.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2017, 04:17:08 PM
My favorite game, Stupid or Liar.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/15/how-stupid-or-liar-explains-michael-flynn-and-lots-of-other-trump-controversies/
Well, I guess stupid will give you a better chance of staying out of jail in politics.
Post by: sg3 on February 16, 2017, 04:41:46 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on February 16, 2017, 04:55:38 PM
There's still no evidence that he talked sanctions or negotiated with them. Why don't we wait for actual proof before blowing a gasket.He got fired. Pretty damn sure there is something there.
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Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2017, 05:37:31 PM
There's still no evidence that he talked sanctions or negotiated with them. Why don't we wait for actual proof before blowing a gasket.
You mean apart from the fact that the call was recorded, so the intelligence people know exactly what was discussed? Are you expecting the intelligence community to actual publish recordings of the call to satisfy your warped refusal to accept that any member of Lyin' Don's team could possibly be doing anything even remotely wrong?
And if Flynn didn't discuss sanctions or anything else he wasn't supposed to, and was in fact simply having a chat with the Russian ambassador about Spartak Moscow's chances in next year's Champions' League, why did he resign?
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 16, 2017, 05:56:16 PM
and release written statements from now on.
his written statements suck too
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2017, 06:03:27 PM
He got fired. Pretty damn sure there is something there.
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Almost everybody has stated he got fired for not being honest and forthcoming with VP Pence. Not because of anything nefarious. He did make Pence look like a jackass on the national stage, so I do buy it
Post by: Tommy on February 16, 2017, 06:32:09 PM
You mean apart from the fact that the call was recorded, so the intelligence people know exactly what was discussed? Are you expecting the intelligence community to actual publish recordings of the call to satisfy your warped refusal to accept that any member of Lyin' Don's team could possibly be doing anything even remotely wrong?
And if Flynn didn't discuss sanctions or anything else he wasn't supposed to, and was in fact simply having a chat with the Russian ambassador about Spartak Moscow's chances in next year's Champions' League, why did he resign?
The FBI already said they're not seeking charges, and absolutely nothing has come to light about the content of his conversations. Did he probably mention the sanctions in passing? Possibly, but in order for it to be a punishable felony there would have to be proof that he negotiated as a private citizen. Flynn spoke to dozens of diplomats from other countries, as was his job during the transition.
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2017, 10:39:01 PM
The FBI already said they're not seeking charges,
So he's as innocent as Hillary.
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2017, 10:42:10 PM
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For bojanglesman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2017, 04:54:22 AM
Post by: sg3 on February 17, 2017, 07:37:00 AM
What is a poll about a poll called?I believe it is called Morons evaluating the biggest MORON
I'm sure he is tweeting about "my
"unbelievably fantastic poll results" right now. "Everybody loves me and the great job my well oiled machine is doing now to make America great. Trust me!! L"
Post by: Johnny English on February 17, 2017, 10:16:13 AM
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/832621183719841797
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 17, 2017, 11:39:13 AM
Notable not for the information, but for who is tweeting it.
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/832621183719841797
Comments saying it's fake or skewed towards Democrats haha.
Post by: sg3 on February 17, 2017, 11:45:36 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 17, 2017, 11:49:54 AM
The good part is you can go to Twitter and mute and block.all.the Trump Poopchutes who commented
I just did this.... wow am I feeling empowered right now
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
I just did this.... wow am I feeling empowered right now
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Post by: Johnny English on February 17, 2017, 01:07:38 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 17, 2017, 01:32:46 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 17, 2017, 01:39:28 PM
Fox is now reporting that Trump was fully aware of and supportive of Flynn's conversations with the Russians.
More lies by the liberal-biased media!
It's amazing how the arguments against Hillary were "She used private email servers" and "Forget using private email servers, there is proof she worked to rig the nomination!"
Now Trump's team uses private email servers, turns off recordings, and heads of intelligence agencies say Russia absolutely interfered with the actual election, and the Trump supporters either talk about "fake news" despite the entire administration being repeatedly caught lying, or the repeated line that there isn't any proof.
There is absolutely nothing that is going to convince Trump's supporters of how corrupt the office of the POTUS is. He could punch an ambassador in the face on live TV and all he'd have to do is say it was somehow fabricated and his supporters would start discussing how the liberal media's agenda was at fault.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 17, 2017, 01:41:49 PM
Trump's holding a campaign rally in Palm Beach tomorrow.
I'm seeing people on Twitter begging protestors to either not go or be extremely careful if they do.
This reeks of a baited trap.
And if it's not, why the freak is he running what they've actually termed "a campaign rally"? The election was months ago! WTF are they campaigning for?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 17, 2017, 01:44:07 PM
The election was months ago! WTF are they campaigning for?
Trump's emotional stability.
Post by: Pope on February 17, 2017, 05:09:56 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 17, 2017, 05:18:22 PM
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 17, 2017, 05:43:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 17, 2017, 05:57:05 PM
Clearly the media isn't Trump's enemy. The media loves Trump. Trump's actions are providing ratings to cable news networks and they're providing subscriptions for newspapers.
I subscribed to the failing NY Times just yesterday, because the only thing better than fake news is paid for fake news.
Post by: Badger on February 17, 2017, 06:52:52 PM
I'm seeing people on Twitter begging protestors to either not go or be extremely careful if they do.
This reeks of a baited trap.
And if it's not, why the freak is he running what they've actually termed "a campaign rally"? The election was months ago! WTF are they campaigning for?
2020 (actual answer)
Post by: sg3 on February 17, 2017, 06:59:06 PM
2020 (actual answer)
He has no freaking clue how to be a Pres
He has no freaking clue how to govern or manage anything
Solution
Dredge out the dumb old campaign lies and undoable promises, line up the trailer trash and start the 2020 campaign
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 17, 2017, 06:59:38 PM
Almost everybody has stated he got fired for not being honest and forthcoming with VP Pence. Not because of anything nefarious. He did make Pence look like a jackass on the national stage, so I do buy it
the trump admin was told about his convos with the russians and how it could compromise him by the acting AG some weeks ago, before the acting AG was fired. once the news about flynn's correspondence became public was when he and the rest of them decided it was time to step down
Post by: dcm1602 on February 17, 2017, 07:06:32 PM
the trump admin was told about his convos with the russians and how it could compromise him by the acting AG some weeks ago, before the acting AG was fired. once the news about flynn's correspondence became public was when he and the rest of them decided it was time to step down
It's been pointed out that there's nothing wrong with this. They're allowed to do this in an unofficial capacity which he did
Post by: Johnny English on February 17, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
When even Fox News is turning on him and the only outlets left in his camp are the likes of Breitbart and Infowars, surely all but the most unhinged must be ready to accept that something is truly, deeply wrong.
Tommy? Koz? You're very quiet on yesterday's press conference. Thoughts?
Post by: Tommy on February 17, 2017, 08:03:14 PM
Shepard Smith, the only man in America with a less natural complexion than Trump, went all in on Trump's insane press conference of yesterday.
When even Fox News is turning on him and the only outlets left in his camp are the likes of Breitbart and Infowars, surely all but the most unhinged must be ready to accept that something is truly, deeply wrong.
Tommy? Koz? You're very quiet on yesterday's press conference. Thoughts?
I don't watch cable news, so I don't care about their anchors' opinions.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 17, 2017, 08:19:29 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on February 18, 2017, 08:08:55 PM
I don't watch cable news, so I don't care about their anchors' opinions.But did you watch his press conference?
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Post by: d sw0rdz on February 18, 2017, 09:29:42 PM
this guy literally cannot do anything right
so tired of this shitshow
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 18, 2017, 10:49:37 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on February 19, 2017, 03:52:43 AM
His response to the Jewish reporter was pathetic.Embarrassing is a good word.
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Post by: Tommy on February 19, 2017, 09:38:38 AM
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Post by: Derek Smalls on February 19, 2017, 12:42:32 PM
I don't think Trump anticipated that fan he brought up to be a complete lunatic. Guy says he talks to a cardboard cutout of Trump every day.To be fair, it wouldn't surprise me if Trump talked to a cardboard cutout of himself every day.
Post by: Johnny English on February 19, 2017, 12:53:14 PM
I'm not making that up.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 19, 2017, 01:09:50 PM
To be fair, it wouldn't surprise me if Trump talked to a cardboard cutout of himself every day.
i don't think having followers like that would really annoy trump. if it was ever brought up to him, he'd just end up going on a tangential diatribe talking about how the media is fake and/or brings up stuff that isn't important
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2017, 01:19:11 PM
I don't think Trump anticipated that fan he brought up to be a complete lunatic. Guy says he talks to a cardboard cutout of Trump every day.For a flash, I thought there was about a 3% chance that dude might try to stab Trump. Then about a 15% chance of trying to dry hump him.
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 20, 2017, 02:41:49 AM
He was talking last night about an incident in Sweden that, er, didn't happen. It is believed that he watched a Fox News report about immigration into Sweden, misunderstood what it was saying and parroted it in his speech.
I'm not making that up.
He accuses the media of being fake and then references something he thought he saw on TV in front of a crowd of nine thousand people without verifying it beforehand.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 21, 2017, 09:56:42 AM
He was talking last night about an incident in Sweden that, er, didn't happen. It is believed that he watched a Fox News report about immigration into Sweden, misunderstood what it was saying and parroted it in his speech.
I'm not making that up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-erupt-in-swedens-capital-just-days-after-trump-comments/
Post by: Tommy on February 21, 2017, 10:03:59 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-erupt-in-swedens-capital-just-days-after-trump-comments/
Ha. Literally hours after the Swedes were all "Hey everything is running smoothly here."
Post by: Johnny English on February 21, 2017, 10:10:35 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/21/riots-erupt-in-swedens-capital-just-days-after-trump-comments/
Did you actually read the article?
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In 2015, when the influx of refugees and migrants to Europe from Africa, the Middle East and Asia was highest, Sweden took in the greatest number per capita. By and large, integration has been a success story there, save for incidents such as Monday night's, which have taken place in highly segregated neighborhoods.
The newspaper Dagens Nyheter analyzed crime statistics between October 2015 and January 2016 and came to the conclusion that refugees were responsible for only 1 percent of all incidents.
I look forward to the calls for a control on college basketball.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kentucky-fans-riot-wisconsin-fans-celebrate-after-badgers-pull-upset/
Post by: Tommy on February 21, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Did you actually read the article?
I like how you completely dismiss these riots as normal, nothing to see here. And then you quote a statistic from a 3 month crime study from late 2015 as evidence that migrants haven't been committing any crimes.
Post by: Johnny English on February 21, 2017, 10:21:19 AM
I like how you completely dismiss these riots as normal, nothing to see here. And then you quote a statistic from a 3 month crime study from late 2015 as evidence that migrants haven't been committing any crimes.
I'm sorry, Tommy. Please feel to refute the quoted statistics with your superior knowledge of Sweden.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 21, 2017, 10:33:32 AM
I like how you completely dismiss these riots as normal, nothing to see here. And then you quote a statistic from a 3 month crime study from late 2015 as evidence that migrants haven't been committing any crimes.
Ami Horowitz and his documentary are just propaganda, lalala nothing to see here.
Post by: Johnny English on February 21, 2017, 10:42:17 AM
Ami Horowitz and his documentary are just propaganda, lalala nothing to see here.
Pretty much.
http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/swedish-police-featured-in-fox-news-segment-filmmaker-is-a-madman/
Post by: Tommy on February 21, 2017, 10:44:43 AM
I'm sorry, Tommy. Please feel to refute the quoted statistics with your superior knowledge of Sweden.
Been looking, but can't find ANY statistics. The only t hing close to it is a "crime survey" that the Swedish government did where they interviewed a sample of 2,000 people (what the freak?). They don't publish statistics, and apparently haven't done so since 2005. I did see an article where a Swedish detective did confirm that crimes committed by criminal migrants has been on the rise, but that's from the Dailymail. His own words were from Facebook posts he made, but they're in Swedish.
Post by: Tommy on February 21, 2017, 10:45:58 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4243442/Sweden-suffering-migrant-crime-wave-says-cop.html
Post by: Johnny English on February 21, 2017, 10:57:04 AM
Here's the article, but I know you'll dismiss it because it's the Dailymail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4243442/Sweden-suffering-migrant-crime-wave-says-cop.html
Being published in the Daily Heil is a bad start, but even putting that aside it's a single guy's anecdotal thoughts - hardly a scientific study. And anyway, what's his conclusion? As the number of poor people being admitted into the country rises, so the number of poor people committing offenses increases. That's not exactly cutting sociological commentary. Crime is primarily an economic function, and what facts also tell us are that while poor people are more likely to commit crime, they're also far more likely to be the victims of crime.
I don't think anyone would ever try to sensibly argue that every immigrant who turns up on the shore of a wealthy country looking for refuge is going to roll up their sleeves, clean floors and polish shoes with a smile on their face in the hope that they will be able to scrimp and save enough money to send their children to university. Overwhelmingly though immigrants are a proven boon to a developed society, and Trump's made up bullshit based on dog whistle propaganda he just watched on Murdoch TV deserves to be called out like the garbage it is.
Post by: Tommy on February 21, 2017, 11:17:24 AM
Being published in the Daily Heil is a bad start, but even putting that aside it's a single guy's anecdotal thoughts - hardly a scientific study. And anyway, what's his conclusion? As the number of poor people being admitted into the country rises, so the number of poor people committing offenses increases. That's not exactly cutting sociological commentary. Crime is primarily an economic function, and what facts also tell us are that while poor people are more likely to commit crime, they're also far more likely to be the victims of crime.
I don't think anyone would ever try to sensibly argue that every immigrant who turns up on the shore of a wealthy country looking for refuge is going to roll up their sleeves, clean floors and polish shoes with a smile on their face in the hope that they will be able to scrimp and save enough money to send their children to university. Overwhelmingly though immigrants are a proven boon to a developed society, and Trump's made up bullshit based on dog whistle propaganda he just watched on Murdoch TV deserves to be called out like the garbage it is.
I don't think a country with unemployment rates of over 7% should be welcoming unskilled workers in droves. It would be different if there was a labor shortage, but that's not the case in Sweden.
Post by: Badger on February 21, 2017, 11:32:30 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 21, 2017, 02:34:58 PM
I don't think a country with unemployment rates of over 7% should be welcoming unskilled workers in droves. It would be different if there was a labor shortage, but that's not the case in Sweden.
You may not think that, but Sweden's official Government Employment Service disagrees with you.
Apologies for the slightly flaky translation, but Google's Swedish is better than mine. (https://translate.google.com/translate?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&nv=1&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.se&sl=sv&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.arbetsformedlingen.se/Om-oss/Statistik-och-publikationer/Rapporter/Ovriga/2015-04-10-Nettoinvandring-sysselsattning-och-arbetskraft---utmaningar-for-morgondagens-arbetsmarknad.html)
Post by: Johnny English on February 21, 2017, 02:41:02 PM
Been looking, but can't find ANY statistics. The only t hing close to it is a "crime survey" that the Swedish government did where they interviewed a sample of 2,000 people (what the freak?). They don't publish statistics, and apparently haven't done so since 2005. I did see an article where a Swedish detective did confirm that crimes committed by criminal migrants has been on the rise, but that's from the Dailymail. His own words were from Facebook posts he made, but they're in Swedish.
There are a number of recent surveys and reports referenced in this article (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/feb/20/what-statistics-say-about-immigration-and-sweden/), but they don't seem to particularly agree with the excrement peddled by Fox and repeated by Lyin' Don.
Post by: Tommy on February 21, 2017, 02:54:58 PM
There are a number of recent surveys and reports referenced in this article (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/feb/20/what-statistics-say-about-immigration-and-sweden/), but they don't seem to particularly agree with the excrement peddled by Fox and repeated by Lyin' Don.
Well nothing there disputes that there have been an increase in crime by migrants either. If they want to dispute the claim then they should at least release some statistics.
Post by: Johnny English on February 21, 2017, 02:59:54 PM
Well nothing there disputes that there have been an increase in crime by migrants either. If they want to dispute the claim then they should at least release some statistics.
So your position is essentially "there's nothing wrong with the President repeating excrement he's heard on TV and if the people about whom he's spouting the excrement don't produce extensive evidence of it not being true then he was clearly right"?
On that basis, I heard that you like to freak children and steal from disabled people and unless you can prove that you don't then we're going to just have to accept it as the truth.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 21, 2017, 03:33:25 PM
On that basis, I heard that you like to freak children and steal from disabled people and unless you can prove that you don't then we're going to just have to accept it as the truth.
That is false, but I'm willing to bet Tommy fucks disabled people and steals from children.
Post by: Fenwyr on February 21, 2017, 03:35:39 PM
Well nothing there disputes that there have been an increase in crime by migrants either. If they want to dispute the claim then they should at least release some statistics.
Jesus Christ dude. Your guy spouted some made up bullshit to thousands of people to support his own agenda (again), and you still want to try and rationalize it?
Post by: Miamipuck on February 21, 2017, 03:59:45 PM
Jesus Christ dude. Your guy spouted some made up bullshit to thousands of people to support his own agenda (again), and you still want to try and rationalize it?
Why yes, yes he does.
Post by: Tommy on February 21, 2017, 04:23:15 PM
So your position is essentially "there's nothing wrong with the President repeating excrement he's heard on TV and if the people about whom he's spouting the excrement don't produce extensive evidence of it not being true then he was clearly right"?
On that basis, I heard that you like to freak children and steal from disabled people and unless you can prove that you don't then we're going to just have to accept it as the truth.
You can prove crime, and lack thereof, pretty easily with statistics. If the government of Sweden is so appalled by these allegations and want to let everyone know that their influx of migrants have had no negative effects on crime in their country, then they could easily prove that by providing some numbers. It's not a subjective accusation.
Post by: Johnny English on February 21, 2017, 04:25:53 PM
You can prove crime, and lack thereof, pretty easily with statistics. If the government of Sweden is so appalled by these allegations and want to let everyone know that their influx of migrants have had no negative effects on crime in their country, then they could easily prove that by providing some numbers. It's not a subjective accusation.
The fact that you think a national government should have to produce statistics to disprove statements made by your President based upon unsubstantiated and/or discredited claims on a partisan network says everything we already knew about your, and Trump's, complete disregard for proper government.
It's a Presidency built on lies and deceptions and you're lapping it up.
Post by: sg3 on February 21, 2017, 06:48:37 PM
Why should a sovereign nation have to provide anything to disprove a proven lie from our retarded psychopath currently occupying the WH?
Sweden should tell him the same thing every sane educated and intelligent American wants to tell him
GFY YOU IGNORANT BUTTHOLE
Post by: Badger on February 21, 2017, 07:37:51 PM
Seriously
Why should a sovereign nation have to provide anything to disprove a proven lie from our retarded psychopath currently occupying the WH?
Sweden should tell him the same thing every sane educated and intelligent American wants to tell him
GFY DU OKUNNIGA BUTTHOLE
FYP
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 22, 2017, 10:52:08 AM
You can prove crime, and lack thereof, pretty easily with statistics. If the government of Sweden is so appalled by these allegations and want to let everyone know that their influx of migrants have had no negative effects on crime in their country, then they could easily prove that by providing some numbers. It's not a subjective accusation.Given the complete lack of credibility of Donald Trump, the burden of proof falls on him and this administration, not Sweden.
It's like if I said, "Tommy likes to shove gerbils up his derriere," and people said, "If Tommy is so appalled by these allegations, then he could easily prove them wrong by providing some numbers. It's not a subjective accusation."
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 22, 2017, 11:13:18 AM
Given the complete lack of credibility of Donald Trump, the burden of proof falls on him and this administration, not Sweden.
It's like if I said, "Tommy likes to shove gerbils up his derriere," and people said, "If Tommy is so appalled by these allegations, then he could easily prove them wrong by providing some numbers. It's not a subjective accusation."
accountability has no part in this administration. someone in this thread brought up some study about how based on polls/percentages people actually view trump better than the media would have us believe or something. trump actually tweeted this study out to the world as well. the study had a whopping sample size of something like 600 people which is in no way a powerful enough study to be taken significantly, and it had an insane sampling bias of 'mid-day phone calls' or whatever that even a grade school student would be able to point out. but it was something that shone positively on trump so trump endorsed it anyways like it was actually something meaningful. absolutely cringeworthy stuff, this is our president
Post by: Tommy on February 23, 2017, 01:49:05 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 23, 2017, 01:53:29 PM
Post by: Badger on February 23, 2017, 02:16:41 PM
Warren Buffet doesn't make market calls.Then what the hell do we pay him for?
Post by: Miamipuck on February 23, 2017, 02:31:17 PM
Then what the hell do we pay him for?
To take rooster shots?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 23, 2017, 02:31:47 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 23, 2017, 06:52:23 PM
Warren Buffet doesn't make market calls.
Why would he?
Post by: Miamipuck on February 23, 2017, 07:26:09 PM
Why would he?
You tell me
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2017, 07:36:02 PM
Tell me more about this moderate President, dcm.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 23, 2017, 08:19:01 PM
Spicer announced that the Trump administration would be enforcing federal weed legislation again.I don't smoke weed, but don't we have bigger issues?
Tell me more about this moderate President, dcm.
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2017, 08:23:46 PM
I don't smoke weed, but don't we have bigger issues?
I honestly can't think of a single sensible argument from any of the key points on the US political spectrum - Democrat, Republican or Libertarian - to go back to trying to prosecute and incarcerate people for weed.
trying to prosecute and incarcerate people for weed.
incarcerate people
Oh wait. Maybe I can think of something.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 23, 2017, 09:13:18 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on February 24, 2017, 09:59:36 AM
Guess thats so much for Trump ending the war on drugs and using it to build/make Mexico pay for a wallAre we still getting weed from mexico? Seems very high risk low reward to me.
Makes sense. The drugs of choice for Trumps base are meth and heroine.
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Post by: IATA on February 24, 2017, 12:00:39 PM
A day after they say we should be referring to the states on most all matters, too.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 24, 2017, 12:28:45 PM
DEFINITELY NOT AT ALL SUSPICIOUS THE SAME DAY SESSIONS SAYS WE ARE NOT PHASING OUT PRIVATE PRISONS, TRUMP SAYS WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE FEDERAL DRUG LAWS.All comes down to the money. Private prisons helped fund Trump's campaign, so you gotta give back to them somehow.
A day after they say we should be referring to the states on most all matters, too.
Then Bannon can start putting all the black people back in prison. MAGA.
Post by: Johnny English on February 24, 2017, 01:59:25 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 24, 2017, 02:14:12 PM
Post by: Laxin on February 24, 2017, 06:51:02 PM
Yeah...
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 24, 2017, 08:20:16 PM
A Department of Homeland Security report obtained by the Associated Press states that the travel ban won't enhance national security.
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2017, 09:28:55 PM
Apparently CPAC attendees are waving Russian flags with TRUMP written across them.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/false-flag-operation-at-cpac/517842/?utm_source=atlfb
Post by: Badger on February 24, 2017, 09:41:28 PM
DEFINITELY NOT AT ALL SUSPICIOUS THE SAME DAY SESSIONS SAYS WE ARE NOT PHASING OUT PRIVATE PRISONS, TRUMP SAYS WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE FEDERAL DRUG LAWS.
A day after they say we should be referring to the states on most all matters, too.
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/23/white-house-defers-to-states-rights-on-transgender-protections-but-not-on-legalizing-marijuana/
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 25, 2017, 01:20:59 PM
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
The media has not reported that the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo.
Dude.
Post by: Tommy on February 25, 2017, 02:00:16 PM
Dude.
Dumb tweet for sure, but to be fair the media has been sucking Obama's dick about saving the economy for years even though TARP was all Paulson under Bush.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 25, 2017, 02:02:01 PM
Post by: sg3 on February 25, 2017, 04:43:02 PM
Dumb tweet for sure, but to be fair the media has been sucking Obama's dick about saving the economy for years even though TARP was all Paulson under Bush.Talk about FAKE NEWS...
Post by: Badger on February 25, 2017, 09:43:00 PM
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/25/517257273/trump-will-be-first-president-in-36-years-to-skip-white-house-correspondents-din
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 25, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
Post by: sg3 on February 26, 2017, 05:17:32 AM
Invite ALL the living REAL Presidents.
Carter GHW Bush Clinton GW Bush Obama and Alec Baldwin
Let the ignorant moron spend his day golfing tweeting and stealing at his Maralago bedbug nest
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 26, 2017, 10:42:32 AM
heard that the info from which he made that tweet about debt was actually made up on some loony right wing message board and he tweeted it anyways?
It was also apparently regurgitated by a Fox News anchor and that's how Don heard it.
Post by: Tommy on February 26, 2017, 12:40:46 PM
Trump, please stop.
Post by: Badger on February 26, 2017, 06:21:21 PM
Post by: Coach K on February 27, 2017, 09:15:58 AM
Post by: Tommy on February 27, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
You tell me
Well he sorta did: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/27/us-always-comes-back-and-wins-says-warren-buffett.html
Post by: Fenwyr on February 27, 2017, 01:24:10 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on February 27, 2017, 06:11:24 PM
Stay classy, you draft dodging coward.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 27, 2017, 06:50:48 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on February 27, 2017, 07:06:27 PM
http://theweek.com/speedreads/682636/trump-laments-that-american-soldiers-no-longer-fight-winHe's clinically insane. He's second term Reagan dementia after a month.
Stay classy, you draft dodging coward.
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Post by: Derek Smalls on February 27, 2017, 08:05:52 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/trump-health-care-complicated/
Post by: Fenwyr on February 28, 2017, 12:41:55 AM
He also is surprised healthcare is so complicated.Can he pull off a speech to a joint session of congress? Might just be must see tv.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/trump-health-care-complicated/
Dude already looks exausted.
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Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2017, 02:30:59 PM
C'mon Don, enough is enough. You're just embarrassing yourself with how far in over your head you are with this job. Do the only sensible thing you can and resign.
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 28, 2017, 04:10:51 PM
healthcare, how complicated it is, and the problems within the american healthcare system have been points that have been spoken about ad nauseum for years and years and years and years
this presidency has been nothing but amateur hour, what have we done
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 28, 2017, 04:33:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPqMJX4z0Gk
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2017, 05:32:07 PM
Now he's decided that he actually really likes the undocumented immigrants and is going to let them all stay. Seriously.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/28/us/politics/trump-address-congress.html
I swear, some of your children would do a better job of being President than this headcase.
Post by: Tommy on February 28, 2017, 05:35:32 PM
STOP THE PRESS, WE HAVE A NEW POLICY
Now he's decided that he actually really likes the undocumented immigrants and is going to let them all stay. Seriously.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/28/us/politics/trump-address-congress.html
I swear, some of your children would do a better job of being President than this headcase.
He never promised to kick out all illegals, only the ones who have committed crimes and to STOP more from coming in. The fear-mongers are the ones who are telling everyone that there will be "mass deportation." You guys are the ones acting like children.
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2017, 05:40:42 PM
He never promised to kick out all illegals, only the ones who have committed crimes and to STOP more from coming in. The fear-mongers are the ones who are telling everyone that there will be "mass deportation." You guys are the ones acting like children.
LOL, right you are Tommy.
Personally, I freaking love this policy announcement. It's going to lose him a bunch of his voters and he didn't have that many to start with.
Post by: Tommy on February 28, 2017, 05:42:04 PM
LOL, right you are Tommy.
Personally, I freaking love this policy announcement. It's going to lose him a bunch of his voters and he didn't have that many to start with.
Alright man. If you guys don't want to have an honest debate, then continue on with your circle jerk.
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2017, 05:52:43 PM
Alright man. If you guys don't want to have an honest debate, then continue on with your circle jerk.
Oh I'm sorry Ms Conway, I thought you were joking. You actually want to debate the idiot statement you just made?
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/millions-targeted-for-possible-deportation-as-trump-rewrites-immigration-enforcement-policies
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-immigration-rules-barack-obama-deportation-undocumented-workers-executive-orders-visa-a7592076.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/21/donald-trump-immigration-deportation-guidelines-homeland-security
http://www.businessinsider.com/whats-the-difference-between-trump-obama-immigration-orders-2017-2
Let me guess. FAKE NEWS, right?
Post by: Tommy on February 28, 2017, 06:01:41 PM
Oh I'm sorry Ms Conway, I thought you were joking. You actually want to debate the idiot statement you just made?
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/millions-targeted-for-possible-deportation-as-trump-rewrites-immigration-enforcement-policies
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-immigration-rules-barack-obama-deportation-undocumented-workers-executive-orders-visa-a7592076.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/21/donald-trump-immigration-deportation-guidelines-homeland-security
http://www.businessinsider.com/whats-the-difference-between-trump-obama-immigration-orders-2017-2
Let me guess. FAKE NEWS, right?
Why don't you read the actual fuckn orders WHICH ARE ON THE DHS' GODDAMN WEBSITE rather than some reporters regurgitated version of what they believe the orders mean.
https://www.dhs.gov/news-releases?year_filter[value]=&month_filter[value]=&field_taxonomy_topics_tid=All&items_per_page=10
Post by: Tommy on February 28, 2017, 06:02:26 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2017, 06:06:09 PM
Nobody ever really had a clue how complicated immigration could be, did they?
Post by: Tommy on February 28, 2017, 06:38:42 PM
So he isn't going to kick out illegals, only the ones who have committed crimes. Like illegal entry. But he's going to let them stay after all.
Nobody ever really had a clue how complicated immigration could be, did they?
He's made it very clear time and again that they're going to prioritize the illegals who have committed or are suspected of committing crimes. For some reason it's been tough to deport them because some cities refuse to ask for immigration status. Well, guess what, if you're convicted of a crime, and they find out you're here illegally, why on earth would you not deport them? My cousin was pulled over, didn't have a license, they found out he was here illegally, and he was detained and deported. No one felt sorry for him, he knew the risks. And he just ran a red light, wasn't even drunk.
You "sky is falling" types act like ICE is going door to door looking for illegals and "checking papers". If I go to any other country and overstay my visa, and a cop catches me jaywalking, chances are they're kicking me out. But when we do it we're demons. Give me a break.
Post by: MBGreen on March 01, 2017, 06:12:49 AM
Post by: sg3 on March 01, 2017, 07:04:08 AM
Post by: Pope on March 01, 2017, 08:21:07 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2017, 08:24:33 AM
#TommyWins
Post by: Pope on March 01, 2017, 08:30:24 AM
How's the stock market doingIt's down about 20 pts, SAD! I'm a portfolio manager BTW
#TommyWins
Post by: Tommy on March 01, 2017, 08:43:13 AM
How's the stock market doing
#TommyWins
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Dow tops 21,000 in intraday trade—on pace for second-fastest milestone in history
But they said that the Trump Rally was over!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2017, 09:00:43 AM
It's down about 20 pts, SAD! I'm a portfolio manager BTW
You'll be ok, Trump cut the national debt nearly in half during just his first month in office
Post by: Fenwyr on March 01, 2017, 10:22:57 AM
But they said that the Trump Rally was over!Once his cabinet of billionaires was picked, is anyone surprised the dow reacted this way? It you look at the individual stocks that rallied, it makes perfect sense.
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Post by: Tommy on March 01, 2017, 01:31:15 PM
Once his cabinet of billionaires was picked, is anyone surprised the dow reacted this way? It you look at the individual stocks that rallied, it makes perfect sense.
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You mean a cabinet of people who actually worked and were successful in the private sector who know what they're doing? Also, the rally isn't just a few companies. I'm not going to get into the specifics of the market with you, but this rally is good for the economy (as well as most people's 401ks and pension funds). It's not just the rich who benefit.
Also I'm not attributing everything to Trump, but his tax and trade ideas are definitely a factor.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2017, 01:34:23 PM
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2017, 03:30:50 PM
You mean a cabinet of people who actually worked and were successful in the private sector who know what they're doing?
Like Betsy DeVos.
Post by: Tommy on March 01, 2017, 04:33:10 PM
Like Betsy DeVos.
Wasn't a fan of the pick but couldn't tell you the names of any former education secretary. Also she literally just started so I'm reservinng judgement.
Post by: sg3 on March 01, 2017, 04:38:57 PM
Wasn't a fan of the pick but couldn't tell you the names of any former education secretary. Also she literally just started so I'm reservinng judgement.Amazing coincidence
Betsy who thinks HBCUs are a result of school choice, NOT governmentally forced segregation spells "reservinng" exactly the same way as you do
Post by: Tommy on March 01, 2017, 04:47:46 PM
Amazing coincidence
Betsy who thinks HBCUs are a result of school choice, NOT governmentally forced segregation spells "reservinng" exactly the same way as you do
Does every day of the Trump presidency just get you angrier and angrier? It's hilarious how bent out of shape you get over every single thing.
Post by: sg3 on March 01, 2017, 04:53:12 PM
Hitler in the White House is not a pleasant thought except, of course, to you
Actually I'm just "reservnng" judgment on our Mental Case in Chief
Post by: Tommy on March 01, 2017, 04:59:49 PM
Only as bent out of shape as all sane Americans are or should be.
Hitler in the White House is not a pleasant thought except, of course, to you
Actually I'm just "reservnng" judgment on our Mental Case in Chief
Not that you had any credibility to begin with, but comparing a democratically elected president of the U.S to Adolf Hitler pretty much says more about how you don't understand a damn thing than anything else. Also find it funny how you of all people are fixated on a simple typo in my last post.
You're pathetic. It's people like you that remind me just how much better I am than most. Losers like you make my life easier. Keep doing what you're doing, and don't ever change.
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2017, 05:47:24 PM
You're pathetic. It's people like you that remind me just how much better I am than most. Losers like you make my life easier. Keep doing what you're doing, and don't ever change.
I'm quoting this just to keep it for posterity. I feel like I will be quoting it a number of times in the future.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2017, 07:58:56 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 01, 2017, 11:16:58 PM
Not that you had any credibility to begin with, but comparing a democratically elected president of the U.S to Adolf Hitler pretty much says more about how you don't understand a damn thing than anything else. Also find it funny how you of all people are fixated on a simple typo in my last post.While not technically elected, he got close to Trumps popular vote in the second round. He was appointed by the winner of the popular vote a year later.
You're pathetic. It's people like you that remind me just how much better I am than most. Losers like you make my life easier. Keep doing what you're doing, and don't ever change.
While there are strikingly similar motives and actions, I do not pretend that Trump is that bad. Hitler was far more intelligent and far more evil.
On a side note Tommy...
Did you listen to the speech? Being generous, 70% was BS. Too maintain some integrity, pick out 1, just 1 thing you will call him out for.
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Post by: sg3 on March 02, 2017, 01:21:57 AM
Not that you had any credibility to begin with, but comparing a democratically elected president of the U.S to Adolf Hitler pretty much says more about how you don't understand a damn thing than anything else. Also find it funny how you of all people are fixated on a simple typo in my last post.
You're pathetic. It's people like you that remind me just how much better I am than most. Losers like you make my life easier. Keep doing what you're doing, and don't ever change.
Yup Tommyanne.
I'm the angry guy and the pathetic loser
For sure
Period (as your other BFF Goebbels (Sean Sphincter) would say
Post by: Tommy on March 02, 2017, 07:57:55 AM
While there are strikingly similar motives and actions, I do not pretend that Trump is that bad. Hitler was far more intelligent and far more evil.
The freak is wrong with you? I mean that sincerely because I met you and you didn't seem at all like the absolute fuckn moron who would write something as ridiculous as this.
Post by: sg3 on March 02, 2017, 08:16:42 AM
The freak is wrong with you? I mean that sincerely because I met you and you didn't seem at all like the absolute fuckn moron who would write something as ridiculous as this.Hitler legally became Chancellor with no help from Russia
Also unlike Fake Heel Spurs the fat 5 time draft dodger, Hitler served his country in WW I.
Post by: sg3 on March 02, 2017, 08:23:23 AM
The Over/under on Jefferson Davis Beauregard Sessions resignation to avoid perjury charges is now down to 7 to 10 days
And
The budget office has found less than 20 million available to build the moronic unnecessary wall somewhat short of the 40-50 billion needed.
The colossal Trump disaster continues
Post by: Fenwyr on March 02, 2017, 10:38:45 AM
The freak is wrong with you? I mean that sincerely because I met you and you didn't seem at all like the absolute fuckn moron who would write something as ridiculous as this.
Since you did meet me, you should know that was tongue in cheek (mostly).
Way to cherry pick a post like you usually do when it comes to politics though.
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2017, 11:53:05 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 02, 2017, 01:04:14 PM
Hitler had better hair than Trump.
Are we talking real hair or skinned road kill on the head?
Post by: Johnny English on March 02, 2017, 11:01:01 PM
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/02/pence-used-personal-email-state-business----and-hacked/98604904/
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Emails released to IndyStar in response to a public records request show Pence communicated via his personal AOL account with top advisers on topics ranging from security gates at the governor’s residence to the state’s response to terror attacks across the globe. In one email, Pence’s top state homeland security adviser relayed an update from the FBI regarding the arrests of several men on federal terror-related charges.
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Pence's personal account was hacked last summer.
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Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb's office released 29 pages of emails from Pence's AOL account, but declined to release an unspecified number of others because the state considers them confidential and too sensitive to release to the public.
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Pence fiercely criticized Clinton throughout the 2016 presidential campaign, accusing her of trying to keep her emails out of public reach and exposing classified information to potential hackers.
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 03, 2017, 07:42:58 AM
I still have an active one that I give when I know I'm being asked for my email to send me tons of spam.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 03, 2017, 07:46:32 AM
does anything say I'm old and and out of touch like still using an AOL account as your main email?Pence was using Prodigy Internet to send sensitive material via 14.4 k dialup modem.
I still have an active one that I give when I know I'm being asked for my email to send me tons of spam.
Post by: Tommy on March 03, 2017, 08:10:02 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2017, 08:23:37 AM
While I'm not excusing Pence for using his private email as governor, it's exponentially worse to do so as a cabinet level official in the federal government.Totally agree, but when one of the biggest parts of your platform is ripping the other side for having a private email server, it comes off as extremely hypocritical.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2017, 08:42:54 AM
While I'm not excusing Pence for using his private email as governor, it's exponentially worse to do so as a cabinet level official in the federal government.
It's also exponentially worse to use a public service that has an open web interface than it is to use a private email server, which can be far more effectively secured. I have no idea whether Clinton's server was well secured or whether it was suitably firewalled and protected against intrusion, but we do know that Pence's email was hacked and to my knowledge there's no suggestion that Clinton's was.
Post by: Tommy on March 03, 2017, 08:54:14 AM
Post by: NDMick on March 03, 2017, 09:14:11 AM
We're going to debate who did it worse? We're going to give someone an out because "it's not as bad a the hell spawn queynte on wheels?"
They're both faggots. We can all agree with that.
Post by: sg3 on March 03, 2017, 09:51:06 AM
Again, we're talking about local state matters versus top secret federal communications. There's a big difference there.You should definitely quit your job and go to work for the Orange Dope. You would be as good or better than Kellyanne, Sphincter or even Stephen Miller at defending whatever dumbassed thing he or his Administration toadies do no matter how illegal or treasonous it is
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 03, 2017, 01:35:15 PM
So we can't all agree that these old, out of touch, technologically retarded individuals are useless cretins?
We're going to debate who did it worse? We're going to give someone an out because "it's not as bad a the hell spawn queynte on wheels?"
They're both faggots. We can all agree with that.
I agree with all of this
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2017, 03:59:47 PM
I know 1st graders with more maturity than Trump.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2017, 04:08:31 PM
Our 6-year old president is now tweeting pictures of Chuck Schumer talking to Putin 10 years ago and saying he demands an investigation.
I know 1st graders with more maturity than Trump.
That's a very silly thing for him to do. Schumer just needs to say "Sure, I'll be happy to submit to a full investigation of the circumstances of my engagement and involvement with Russia and with Putin, why wouldn't I? I've nothing to hide."
Post by: Tommy on March 03, 2017, 04:24:47 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2017, 04:35:18 PM
What I'd like to know is what exactly is being investigated? There's nothing wrong with talking to foreign diplomats or officials while president elect, and Trump and his advisors met with many from the election to inauguration. It's part of the transition. Is this just a "Russia bad" thing or do people actually think Trump and his team collided with the Russians during the campaign? And what exactly did they stand to gain? I'm just not sure what the actual conspiracy is here.It's quite simple...
- CIA says Russia hacked the election.
- Trump's NSA chief talks to Russia while the hacking is going on, and he lies about it.
- Trump's AG talks to Russia while the hacking is going on, and he lies about it.
- Several other Trump appointees have significant ties to Russia and Putin.
- Trump criticizes almost every other world leader, but he goes out of his way to defend Putin.
I don't know how significant the ties are, but there are plenty of dots to connect. I don't see how you don't see that.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2017, 04:38:15 PM
What I'd like to know is what exactly is being investigated? There's nothing wrong with talking to foreign diplomats or officials while president elect, and Trump and his advisors met with many from the election to inauguration. It's part of the transition. Is this just a "Russia bad" thing or do people actually think Trump and his team collided with the Russians during the campaign? And what exactly did they stand to gain? I'm just not sure what the actual conspiracy is here.
Not sure if this post is unintentionally or wilfully ignorant. Not sure how to answer it.
Post by: Tommy on March 03, 2017, 07:05:51 PM
It's quite simple...
- CIA says Russia hacked the election.
- Trump's NSA chief talks to Russia while the hacking is going on, and he lies about it.
- Trump's AG talks to Russia while the hacking is going on, and he lies about it.
- Several other Trump appointees have significant ties to Russia and Putin.
- Trump criticizes almost every other world leader, but he goes out of his way to defend Putin.
I don't know how significant the ties are, but there are plenty of dots to connect. I don't see how you don't see that.
CIA did not say Russia hacked the election, only that they hacked the DNC and its very probably that they did so to influence the election.
The DNC leak pales in comparison to the loads of excrement the Dems had on Trump.
Flynn met with the Russian ambassador AFTER the election. Which was perfectly normal.
Session also met with the Russian ambassador during the transition, again nothing wrong with that. And he didn't lie about the meeting, only said that he didn't discuss policies etc with Russians.
Post by: Tommy on March 03, 2017, 07:06:27 PM
Not sure if this post is unintentionally or wilfully ignorant. Not sure how to answer it.
How about you tell me what you think is going on and why it's being made into such a big deal.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2017, 07:09:48 PM
How about you tell me what you think is going on and why it's being made into such a big deal.
How about I go to the pub and have some ribs and beers because I don't have the energy for this.
Post by: Tommy on March 03, 2017, 07:14:48 PM
How about I go to the pub and have some ribs and beers because I don't have the energy for this.
Yeah, good idea. Neither do I. Cheers!
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 03, 2017, 07:27:44 PM
http://www.marieclaire.com/politics/news/a25714/sean-spicer-white-house-bunny/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C213pKPXUAAgYZg.jpg)
Post by: Tommy on March 03, 2017, 09:43:12 PM
On a completely unrelated note...
http://www.marieclaire.com/politics/news/a25714/sean-spicer-white-house-bunny/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C213pKPXUAAgYZg.jpg)
lolololololol wtf
Post by: Badger on March 04, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 04, 2017, 08:18:48 PM
How about I go to the pub and have some ribs and beers because I don't have the energy for this.I'll help.
Tommy... They lied under oath to having contact with the Russians. Period. That's the only issue. FFS it couldn't be more simple.
If nothing fucked up was going on, there would have been no reason to lie. You are actually allowed to talk to them. Legally.
Back to the question I asked days ago... Will you call Trump out for just one lie from his Tuesday speech?
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Post by: Badger on March 04, 2017, 08:23:40 PM
I'll help.
Tommy... They lied under oath to having contact with the Russians. Period. That's the only issue. FFS it couldn't be more simple.
If nothing fucked up was going on, there would have been no reason to lie. You are actually allowed to talk to them. Legally.
Back to the question I asked days ago... Will you call Trump out for just one lie from his Tuesday speech?
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You ought to specify when said contact occurred: during the campaign.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 04, 2017, 09:35:27 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0
Quote
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
7:02 AM - 4 Mar 2017
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 04, 2017, 10:31:59 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 04, 2017, 11:21:38 PM
No matter how many really good things Trump does with the economy, he continually does far more extremely idiotic ignorant stupid excrement like say things like thisHe hasn't done anything good for the economy, yet. It is the only thing I have hope for with him, so I will give that time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0
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Post by: sg3 on March 05, 2017, 04:55:01 AM
He hasn't done anything good for the economy, yet. It is the only thing I have hope for with him, so I will give that time.I agtee on "giving him time".
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How many years should he get for TREASON, collusion with a murdering foreign dictator, corruption and self serving violation of the emoluments rules
Post by: Coach K on March 05, 2017, 07:27:02 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 05, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
The economy is the one area where he might not be incompetent, but odds are, he will be. A lot of the economy doing well is based on things Trump has said. But trusting anything Trump says seems foolhardy. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me every single time, I'm probably a Trump voter.
Post by: Pope on March 05, 2017, 08:47:00 AM
Post by: sg3 on March 05, 2017, 08:57:28 AM
I'm not satisfied until we start rounding up towel heads and gas chambering themGood idea Adolf
Post by: Tommy on March 05, 2017, 09:17:07 AM
I'll help.
Tommy... They lied under oath to having contact with the Russians. Period. That's the only issue. FFS it couldn't be more simple.
If nothing fucked up was going on, there would have been no reason to lie. You are actually allowed to talk to them. Legally.
Back to the question I asked days ago... Will you call Trump out for just one lie from his Tuesday speech?
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Read the transcript. He was responding to Franken's question about a CNN report about potential collusion with the Russian government by members of Trump's staff and his surrogates. As member of the Armed Services Committee of course Sessions has met with other countries' ambassadors, including Russia. That's pretty much understood. He didn't lie under oath. And Flynn spoke to the ambassador during the transition, which was perfectly normal. What he did that was wrong was talk sanctions, and didn't tell the VP until the story came out. Again, not that big a deal, but big enough for him to get canned.
Again, this is just a wild conspiracy theory. If Trump and his guys did want to hack the election in their favor, Trump has the money and resources to do it himself. Why in the freak would they want Russia involved? Just doesn't make any sense, and it's just people who hate him frantically looking for anything resembling a smoking gun.
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2017, 09:18:02 AM
blah blah racist bullshit
Last chance. One more post like that and I'm banning you for a long time.
Post by: Tommy on March 05, 2017, 09:20:21 AM
No matter how many really good things Trump does with the economy, he continually does far more extremely idiotic ignorant stupid excrement like say things like this
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0
Well, I mean, he is president and may just may have access to more intelligence than we do. Could be bullshit, or there could be something to it.
Post by: Pope on March 05, 2017, 09:20:57 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2017, 09:28:33 AM
You guys are calling him literally Hitler I was just adding context
It's almost like a long history of racist shitposts hampers context, isn't it? Shame.
Two posters that I know of have stopped posting on here because they're sick of it being a safe space for people to spew low quality racist, homophobic and otherwise fairly unpleasant bullshit that you wouldn't say in a public place without getting filled in. It's not tumblr or Mumsnet but this is a football board first and foremost, and I'm a bit sick of the lazy bullshit. Now that we know for a fact it's hampering actual quality discussion, it's time for it to stop.
Post by: Pope on March 05, 2017, 10:02:05 AM
Post by: Badger on March 05, 2017, 10:43:57 AM
Post by: Tommy on March 05, 2017, 10:58:01 AM
https://youtu.be/aXzjxVYPjys
Hahahahahahaha
Post by: Mehta Source on March 05, 2017, 12:03:10 PM
If Trump and his guys did want to hack the election in their favor, Trump has the money and resources to do it himself. Why in the freak would they want Russia involved? Just doesn't make any sense, and it's just people who hate him frantically looking for anything resembling a smoking gun.
You're reading it backwards. It's not that Trump wanted to hack the election and used the russians to do it, it's that the russians wanted to hack the election and used Trump to do it.
Post by: Tommy on March 05, 2017, 01:02:24 PM
You're reading it backwards. It's not that Trump wanted to hack the election and used the russians to do it, it's that the russians wanted to hack the election and used Trump to do it.
That makes even less sense. If they wanted to affect the outcome of the election, why would they get Trump and his team involved? Also, people are putting way too much blame on the DNC leaks for costing Hillary the election. She still got more popular votes, Trump had a shitload of scandals or supposed scandals going into November, and in the areas that normally would have gone to Hillary the voters said their main concern was jobs and the economy. Her neglecting those states and being a terrible candidate overall is what cost her the election, not the DNC leaks.
Did the Russian hack undermine people's faith in the DNC and our government in general? Likely. But it's not like it was a secret that the DNC was full-on for Hillary from the start. The RNC was also full-on against Trump from the start as well.
Essentially people are just getting worked up over very very little. Looking for any conspiracy that undermines Trump's presidency, just how the whole 9/11 conspiracy was embraced by those who hated Bush and wanted to find any reason to undermine his presidency.
So, America, grow the freak up.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 05, 2017, 01:16:32 PM
Post by: Mehta Source on March 05, 2017, 07:02:25 PM
If they (Russia) wanted to affect the outcome of the election, why would they (want to) get Trump and his teamExactly, now you're (kinda) asking the right questions.involvedto win?
Why would Russia want Trump to win. THAT's what people wants to be answered.
Post by: Tommy on March 05, 2017, 07:20:57 PM
Exactly, now you're (kinda) asking the right questions.
Why would Russia want Trump to win. THAT's what people wants to be answered.
Fine. I'm willing to go down that route, but let's discuss motive. What does Russia stand to gain geopolitically with Trump over Clinton? Did they think he'd be a terrible president and allow them to increase their influence abroad, or did they believe that Trump would be open to renewed relations? But it's not that simple. Russia has no real influence outside of a few former Soviet countries, and let's be honest, there's zero chance they gain even a fraction of the influence the USSR had during the Cold War. So what does Russia gain? I can see Russia trying to undermine our democracy by proving that our parties are corrupt, but to favor one particular candidate? I still have yet to see any coherent reason as to why that would be the case.
I just don't understand the whole Russian or Chinese threat to our dominance. Why would any country on earth choose either of those countries over the most powerful country, both militarily and economically, the world has every seen? It just doesn't make geopolitical sense for Russia to go out of their way like that. And they really, to be honest, didn't go that much out of their way. Hacking the DNC emails wasn't much a factor as people seem to think. You'd think if they really wanted Trump that they'd try and expose more dirt. If that's all they came up with, then their intelligence didn't do a very good job, especially if people believe this was somehow a matter of their national security and world standing.
I'm fine with an investigation, but people are too quick to rush to judgement based on their own personal agenda.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
It's almost like a long history of racist shitposts hampers context, isn't it? Shame.
Two posters that I know of have stopped posting on here because they're sick of it being a safe space for people to spew low quality racist, homophobic and otherwise fairly unpleasant bullshit that you wouldn't say in a public place without getting filled in. It's not tumblr or Mumsnet but this is a football board first and foremost, and I'm a bit sick of the lazy bullshit. Now that we know for a fact it's hampering actual quality discussion, it's time for it to stop.
excrement thats why I started to post here and stopped using TGG
Even predominantly being a punching bag, I prefer the noholdsbarred attitude to Jets Cuddles or whatever kind of fruit cake excrement is going on elsewhere.
Though I do think that keeping racism from being blatantly out of control is a good thing as that excrement genuinely offends people and makes them uncomfortable, I find it hard to say this is place is homophobic when its board is full of a bunch of faggots <3
Post by: bojanglesman on March 05, 2017, 08:50:00 PM
excrement thats why I started to post here and stopped using TGGYou're gay.
Even predominantly being a punching bag, I prefer the noholdsbarred attitude to Jets Cuddles or whatever kind of fruit cake excrement is going on elsewhere.
Though I do think that keeping racism from being blatantly out of control is a good thing as that excrement genuinely offends people and makes them uncomfortable, I find it hard to say this is place is homophobic when its board is full of a bunch of faggots <3
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2017, 08:52:44 PM
You're gay.
I prefer the term open minded, thank you very much.
Post by: JFIF on March 05, 2017, 09:37:06 PM
It's almost like a long history of racist shitposts hampers context, isn't it? Shame.
Two posters that I know of have stopped posting on here because they're sick of it being a safe space for people to spew low quality racist, homophobic and otherwise fairly unpleasant bullshit that you wouldn't say in a public place without getting filled in. It's not tumblr or Mumsnet but this is a football board first and foremost, and I'm a bit sick of the lazy bullshit. Now that we know for a fact it's hampering actual quality discussion, it's time for it to stop.
Ok Hitler
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2017, 09:41:33 PM
excrement thats why I started to post here and stopped using TGG
Even predominantly being a punching bag, I prefer the noholdsbarred attitude to Jets Cuddles or whatever kind of fruit cake excrement is going on elsewhere.
Though I do think that keeping racism from being blatantly out of control is a good thing as that excrement genuinely offends people and makes them uncomfortable, I find it hard to say this is place is homophobic when its board is full of a bunch of faggots <3
To the best of my knowledge TGG is still open and you're not being held here against your will.
I think your last sentence is pretty much right. There's a balance and it's important not to overstep it. Blatant racist bullshit, gas chamber jokes and so on are the wrong side. I'm sure that 4chan has a football board if that's a problem for anyone.
Post by: JFIF on March 05, 2017, 09:45:29 PM
To the best of my knowledge TGG is still open and you're not being held here against your will.
I think your last sentence is pretty much right. There's a balance and it's important not to overstep it. Blatant racist bullshit, gas chamber jokes and so on are the wrong side. I'm sure that 4chan has a football board if that's a problem for anyone.
If he's a jew making a gas chamber joke, does it make a difference to you?
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
If he's a jew making a gas chamber joke, does it make a difference to you?
Not really. This is the internet, people often have no way of knowing if you're a Jew or gay or black or Muslim. And even if it they do, does that make it less offensive to other Jews? Do you think that all black people are OK with other black people saying person of color? I'd like to think that people can come to this site to talk football without having to ignore excrement that offends them.
Post by: JFIF on March 05, 2017, 09:53:42 PM
I'm not on board with people being hateful and using hate speech under the "guise" of comedy. That's what 4chan and what not was built on and exists in certain parts of the alternative comedy scene. I use to be "freak it. who cares what someone says?" but I've eased off that a bit. If it's gratuitous or not funny/clever, and coming from a bad place that gives rise to what you see in Trump supporters.
I don't think Pope is an alt-right dickhead. Maybe lacks some empathy for minorities but not hateful
Post by: dcm1602 on March 05, 2017, 09:56:23 PM
Post by: JFIF on March 05, 2017, 09:58:32 PM
Not really. This is the internet, people often have no way of knowing if you're a Jew or gay or black or Muslim. And even if it they do, does that make it less offensive to other Jews? Do you think that all black people are OK with other black people saying person of color? I'd like to think that people can come to this site to talk football without having to ignore excrement that offends them.
Yes. it does. You're allowed to make jokes about your own people. How do you think Jews survived dealing with something as shitty as the holocaust? By disarming it culturally.
And you speaking for other ethnic groups in this example is maximum presumption and privilege. You don't get to decide that for other people as a white man.
Post by: Badger on March 05, 2017, 10:02:01 PM
To the best of my knowledge TGG is still open and you're not being held here against your will.
I think your last sentence is pretty much right. There's a balance and it's important not to overstep it. Blatant racist bullshit, gas chamber jokes and so on are the wrong side. I'm sure that 4chan has a football board if that's a problem for anyone.
/sp/ has way too much divegrass discussion.
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2017, 10:08:40 PM
That was an earnest question. Ok Hitler was just making fun of the authoritarian tone of your post.
I'm not on board with people being hateful and using hate speech under the "guise" of comedy. That's what 4chan and what not was built on and exists in certain parts of the alternative comedy scene. I use to be "freak it. who cares what someone says?" but I've eased off that a bit. If it's gratuitous or not funny/clever, and coming from a bad place that gives rise to what you see in Trump supporters.
I don't think Pope is an alt-right dickhead. Maybe lacks some empathy for minorities but not hateful
I mostly agree with this.
Yes. it does. You're allowed to make jokes about your own people. How do you think Jews survived dealing with something as shitty as the holocaust? By disarming it culturally.
And you speaking for other ethnic groups in this example is a maximum presumption and privilege. You don't get to decide that for other people.
I wouldn't presume to tell people what they can or can't say, that's the purview of the authorities and the rest of society. People can make Holocaust jokes if they want, they just can't make them here for reasons I've already explained. The internet is a levelling mechanism and that's in many ways a great thing, but it also removes context and without that it becomes exponentially harder to judge humour. If this was a board for budding stand up comics then maybe it would be more appropriate. As it is, it's a football board and making edgy shitposts adds nothing and detracts much, and like I said, we've lost posters because the general demeanour of the board strays too far at times. Let's not do that any more.
Post by: JFIF on March 05, 2017, 10:08:41 PM
Not really. This is the internet, people often have no way of knowing if you're a Jew or gay or black or Muslim. And even if it they do, does that make it less offensive to other Jews? Do you think that all black people are OK with other black people saying person of color? I'd like to think that people can come to this site to talk football without having to ignore excrement that offends them.
Since you don't know many American black people, i'll give you some cultural perspective on this.
They deal with that themselves as a community. The amount of black people who say "person of color" conversationally is very low, nigga on the other hand is obviously a term of endearment to some. It only universally becomes a problem when white people use. Some white people might be so culturally immersed in black/hip hop culture and maybe get a pass to people who know them, or if you're hispanic you get a pass too a lot of the time.
Again, it's not a white person's job to police that among a cultural community
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2017, 10:10:45 PM
Since you don't know many American black people, i'll give you some cultural perspective on this.
They deal with that themselves as a community. The amount of black people who say "person of color" conversationally is very low, nigga on the other hand is obviously a term of endearment to some. It only universally becomes a problem when white people use. Some white people might be so culturally immersed in black/hip hop culture and maybe get a pass to people who know them, or if you're hispanic you get a pass too a lot of the time.
Again, it's not a white person's job to police that among a cultural community
It's interesting that you think you know so much about my cultural background and who I do and don't know. And also pretty irrelevant, for reasons I've just explained.
Post by: JFIF on March 05, 2017, 10:12:59 PM
It's interesting that you think you know so much about my cultural background and who I do and don't know. And also pretty irrelevant, for reasons I've just explained.
You've admitted to everyone here you don't know many American black people. Just some dude from IT. I don't know why you think i'd pull that from thin air.
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2017, 10:19:59 PM
You've admitted to everyone here you don't know many American black people. Just some dude from IT
Which is a useful diversion from the point, which is that it's not for you to determine what people do or don't find offensive. (Although a simple use of the search function will perhaps demonstrate that I do recognise a degree of separation as it relates to your point.)
I'll explain the point to you again if you like, just so it's clear. And we can debate it as long as you like, but it isn't changing. Posters have left because they're sick of the low effort, sub-4chan, oh-so-edgy semi-racist/homophobic/whatever shitposts that have become a little too common on here, and they add nothing to the site's purpose as a board upon which to discuss the Jets. There's literally no value to them on a football site and a big downside. So they aren't going to happen any more.
You're welcome to not come here any more if that's a problem for you.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 05, 2017, 10:21:27 PM
Post by: JFIF on March 05, 2017, 10:22:41 PM
What? How can you give cultural perspective on freaking black people?
At least you toned that down.
I'm relaying what the culture has already established. I'm not making the rules. That's the difference.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 05, 2017, 10:23:17 PM
There's literally no value to them on a football site and a big downside. So they aren't going to happen any more.
I'm going to call Tom Brady a bundle of sticks every time he steps onto a football field. That's non-negotiable.
Post by: Johnny English on March 05, 2017, 10:25:38 PM
I'm going to call Tom Brady a bundle of sticks every time he steps onto a football field. That's non-negotiable.
Some things are a given.
Post by: Badger on March 05, 2017, 11:16:30 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html
Post by: Miamipuck on March 05, 2017, 11:36:02 PM
If that's the new party line let me know, I mostly curse because I still get a kick out of using the player of the pink oboe lover of the older lady editor.
Actually maybe make a thread that moves all these posts over and we can determine what is allowed and not allowed any longer. It isn't a big deal either way, we stopped using names around here, it's similar excrement.
I won't be on here that much, any longer. I am moving and my life is going in a different direction.
Post by: Pope on March 06, 2017, 12:11:37 AM
Post by: JFIF on March 06, 2017, 12:38:31 AM
Which is a useful diversion from the point, which is that it's not for you to determine what people do or don't find offensive. (Although a simple use of the search function will perhaps demonstrate that I do recognise a degree of separation as it relates to your point.)
I'll explain the point to you again if you like, just so it's clear. And we can debate it as long as you like, but it isn't changing. Posters have left because they're sick of the low effort, sub-4chan, oh-so-edgy semi-racist/homophobic/whatever shitposts that have become a little too common on here, and they add nothing to the site's purpose as a board upon which to discuss the Jets. There's literally no value to them on a football site and a big downside. So they aren't going to happen any more.
You're welcome to not come here any more if that's a problem for you.
I don't disagree with your overarching point. I think given the current climate and the rise of overtly, legitimately racist sentiments, that type of talk loses most of its funny and just becomes uncomfortable. I didn't think Pope's comment was funny ( just banal ) so i'm not defending it from a humor perspective either, but i know he's not an alt right dipshit.
Mostly I wanted to see where you drew lines because I think you have a tendency to lean too hard left at times on sensitivity with a tinge of sanctimony, but your explanation was fairly nuanced at least in regards to this board.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2017, 06:56:07 AM
What? How can you give cultural perspective on freaking black people?He's allowed a few 10/10 ones to bang him.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 06, 2017, 10:33:29 AM
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 06, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
In real life I'm very socially liberal. Sorry I made a joke about rounding up and killing Muslims after you know.. a bunch of people called the current president freaking Hitler.I don't think anyone called trump hitler. I and others have used hitler as a blanket term for fascists. Trump has been pulling some fascist excrement, hence the reference.
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 06, 2017, 10:43:59 AM
Fine. I'm willing to go down that route, but let's discuss motive. What does Russia stand to gain geopolitically with Trump over Clinton? Did they think he'd be a terrible president and allow them to increase their influence abroad, or did they believe that Trump would be open to renewed relations? But it's not that simple. Russia has no real influence outside of a few former Soviet countries, and let's be honest, there's zero chance they gain even a fraction of the influence the USSR had during the Cold War. So what does Russia gain? I can see Russia trying to undermine our democracy by proving that our parties are corrupt, but to favor one particular candidate? I still have yet to see any coherent reason as to why that would be the case.I read your entire post. Well thought out and written, but nonsense. You sound like you are trying to convince yourself.
I just don't understand the whole Russian or Chinese threat to our dominance. Why would any country on earth choose either of those countries over the most powerful country, both militarily and economically, the world has every seen? It just doesn't make geopolitical sense for Russia to go out of their way like that. And they really, to be honest, didn't go that much out of their way. Hacking the DNC emails wasn't much a factor as people seem to think. You'd think if they really wanted Trump that they'd try and expose more dirt. If that's all they came up with, then their intelligence didn't do a very good job, especially if people believe this was somehow a matter of their national security and world standing.
I'm fine with an investigation, but people are too quick to rush to judgement based on their own personal agenda.
My response is to your first paragraph. Clinton gave Putin a chance and he spit in her face. Trump surrounded himself with people with direct ties to Russia. Do you really need to ask why Putin would want Trump.
Oh, and here comes the new Muslim ban.
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Post by: Tommy on March 06, 2017, 11:18:24 AM
I read your entire post. Well thought out and written, but nonsense. You sound like you are trying to convince yourself.
My response is to your first paragraph. Clinton gave Putin a chance and he spit in her face. Trump surrounded himself with people with direct ties to Russia. Do you really need to ask why Putin would want Trump.
Oh, and here comes the new Muslim ban.
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Yeah, but saying "ties with Russia" doesn't really mean anything. Give me some substance, not just accusations and conspiracy theories. Why does Putin prefer Trump? What is wrong with improved relations with Russia? What would Trump stand to gain by colluding with the Russians before the election on anything?
Post by: Fenwyr on March 06, 2017, 11:31:27 AM
Yeah, but saying "ties with Russia" doesn't really mean anything. Give me some substance, not just accusations and conspiracy theories. Why does Putin prefer Trump? What is wrong with improved relations with Russia? What would Trump stand to gain by colluding with the Russians before the election on anything?Until we see his tax returns we cannot know just how invested Trump is with Russia.
You basically said the answer yourself. Trump said we should improve relations with Putin. A cold war KGB dictator that murders his own people and invades other countries. Yeah, let's have brunch.
The newest clown he put in his cabinet is a majority shareholder in a bank that essentially launders Putin's money.
This isn't just where there's smoke there's fire Tommy.
Hillary would have sanctioned the freak out of Putin. Trump hasn't said a single negative statement about the tampering. Trump hasn't said a word about the guys that were poisoned.
But he had a shiney new Muslim ban!
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 06, 2017, 01:10:55 PM
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Post by: Tommy on March 06, 2017, 01:30:38 PM
Until we see his tax returns we cannot know just how invested Trump is with Russia.
You basically said the answer yourself. Trump said we should improve relations with Putin. A cold war KGB dictator that murders his own people and invades other countries. Yeah, let's have brunch.
The newest clown he put in his cabinet is a majority shareholder in a bank that essentially launders Putin's money.
This isn't just where there's smoke there's fire Tommy.
Hillary would have sanctioned the freak out of Putin. Trump hasn't said a single negative statement about the tampering. Trump hasn't said a word about the guys that were poisoned.
But he had a shiney new Muslim ban!
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Okay, a few things. You keep saying "interests in Russia", "investments in Russia", so what exactly are we talking about here? Does Trump personally own property in Russia? Does he have some government-run companies as part of his personal investment portfolio? Does the Trump Organization have assets in Russia? I can tell you that if any of those were even remotely significant enough affect his administration's dealings with Russia, you would not need his tax returns to know. Hell you could easily find out if The Trump Organization has a hotel or golf course in the country since it's pretty fuckn' hard for a company to fake that, especially as one as high profile as Trump Co.
How quickly we forget that Hillary Clinton herself wanted renewed relations with Russia (remember that stupid button flub?), so better ties with Russia instead of adversarial ties with the country is much better than the alternative. Trump's administration hasn't made any changes towards their stance on the sanctions Obama put in place, and you even heard it from Nicky Haley and Mike Pence. Suggesting that Hillary would "sanction the excrement out of them" is just ridiculous. How do you know that? Obama and Clinton share essentially the same platform, and I don't remember her calling on more sanctions. If you want to get into an entanglement with Russia over a local conflict then go right ahead. Trump's platform from day one has been "America First". How about we take care of our own problems instead of policing the rest of the world?
And I think the "clown" you're referring to is Wilbur Ross (go Xavier HS!), who is well known in the distressed investment community. And the bank you're referring to was the Bank of Cyprus which was in a lot of trouble, so a distressed fixed income investor gets involved to help salvage what's left and hopefully profit from either the sale of its assets, or buy enough of the debt so that they can become majority shareholders. He did this with another Russian billionaire who runs Renova Group, which does have close ties to the Russian government, but you'll be hard pressed to find a large company in Russia that doesn't. Same thing with China. Anyway, Wilbur partnered with this guy to buy up their debt, saving them, and then essentially owning the company and turning it around. That's what Wilbur Ross has done for decades, and has been very successful at it (shocker since he's worth billions). Was it a shady deal? Absolutely not. Is the guy who runs Renova shady? Probably. Renova also owns a U.S investment firm based here in NY (I've sold them company and market research before).
Anyway, Wilbur Ross went in on an investment turnaround with this Russia billionaire, along with other companies, and they brought the company back to life. Ross isn't even a major shareholder of the firm anymore - distressed investors take a company back and then move on.
So, nothing to see here. No smoke, no fire, just a excrement load of conspiracy theories and conjecture coming from people who don't know what they're talking about, and desperately DESPERATELY want there to be something.
Post by: Tommy on March 06, 2017, 01:33:19 PM
Hey Tommy. That excrement pipeline that should never be built is going to be built with Russian steel. freaking priceless.
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Russian steel? TransCanada has already started building the thing and acquired most of the steel already, and I've read that most of the steel is from Canada, the U.S, and Mexico.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 06, 2017, 02:32:21 PM
Okay, a few things. You keep saying "interests in Russia", "investments in Russia", so what exactly are we talking about here? Does Trump personally own property in Russia? Does he have some government-run companies as part of his personal investment portfolio? Does the Trump Organization have assets in Russia? I can tell you that if any of those were even remotely significant enough affect his administration's dealings with Russia, you would not need his tax returns to know. Hell you could easily find out if The Trump Organization has a hotel or golf course in the country since it's pretty fuckn' hard for a company to fake that, especially as one as high profile as Trump Co.Again... Tax returns.
How quickly we forget that Hillary Clinton herself wanted renewed relations with Russia (remember that stupid button flub?), so better ties with Russia instead of adversarial ties with the country is much better than the alternative. Trump's administration hasn't made any changes towards their stance on the sanctions Obama put in place, and you even heard it from Nicky Haley and Mike Pence. Suggesting that Hillary would "sanction the excrement out of them" is just ridiculous. How do you know that? Obama and Clinton share essentially the same platform, and I don't remember her calling on more sanctions. If you want to get into an entanglement with Russia over a local conflict then go right ahead. Trump's platform from day one has been "America First". How about we take care of our own problems instead of policing the rest of the world?
And I think the "clown" you're referring to is Wilbur Ross (go Xavier HS!), who is well known in the distressed investment community. And the bank you're referring to was the Bank of Cyprus which was in a lot of trouble, so a distressed fixed income investor gets involved to help salvage what's left and hopefully profit from either the sale of its assets, or buy enough of the debt so that they can become majority shareholders. He did this with another Russian billionaire who runs Renova Group, which does have close ties to the Russian government, but you'll be hard pressed to find a large company in Russia that doesn't. Same thing with China. Anyway, Wilbur partnered with this guy to buy up their debt, saving them, and then essentially owning the company and turning it around. That's what Wilbur Ross has done for decades, and has been very successful at it (shocker since he's worth billions). Was it a shady deal? Absolutely not. Is the guy who runs Renova shady? Probably. Renova also owns a U.S investment firm based here in NY (I've sold them company and market research before).
Anyway, Wilbur Ross went in on an investment turnaround with this Russia billionaire, along with other companies, and they brought the company back to life. Ross isn't even a major shareholder of the firm anymore - distressed investors take a company back and then move on.
So, nothing to see here. No smoke, no fire, just a excrement load of conspiracy theories and conjecture coming from people who don't know what they're talking about, and desperately DESPERATELY want there to be something.
You just explained how financially in bed his new cabinet member is with Russia.
5 people lied for no reason about conversations with the Russian ambassador.
Hillary tried the reset with Putin. It failed. Like most sane people she knows he is the most dangerous leader on the planet.
If you want to be all blind and deaf about it, fine. I am not going to argue about it anymore.
No worries though. Trump had a twitter meltdown this weekend while on his 4th vacation since he was sworn in. I have a feeling he isn't going to be in office long. He may just resign.
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Post by: ons on March 06, 2017, 02:40:35 PM
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Trump's platform from day one has been "America First". How about we take care of our own problems instead of policing the rest of the world?
I mean, that's a valid viewpoint, but it is also exactly the reason why Russia has an interest in promoting nationalist/isolationist governments in other Western democracies. Their motivation is for Western democracies to be less global and more insular.
The logical move for Trump, if he could get away with it, was to utilize Russian data-collecting network to time attacks against his opposition. The logical move for Russia, presumably, was to attempt to subtly promote the release of information that help candidates with a more nationalistic, less global-policing agenda - and to attempt to ensure that those types of policies are enacted (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?utm_term=.5d38ff2d09d6).
There is absolutely no evidence so far that there was any collusion, but there are clear motivations for it on both sides.
Post by: Tommy on March 06, 2017, 02:48:07 PM
Again... Tax returns.
You just explained how financially in bed his new cabinet member is with Russia.
5 people lied for no reason about conversations with the Russian ambassador.
Hillary tried the reset with Putin. It failed. Like most sane people she knows he is the most dangerous leader on the planet.
If you want to be all blind and deaf about it, fine. I am not going to argue about it anymore.
No worries though. Trump had a twitter meltdown this weekend while on his 4th vacation since he was sworn in. I have a feeling he isn't going to be in office long. He may just resign.
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Yeah, one investment makes you "in bed with Russia." Hey, TD Asset Management was also involved, so I guess Canada is also "in bed with Russia". Let's throw in the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development as well while we're at it.
I don't get it. Many of you supported Obama lifting sanctions on Iran and trusting that they won't acquire nuclear weapons, even though they've been openly hostile to U.S interests, threatened Israel constantly, funds terrorist groups, and whose regime held our people captive for more than a year. But they're cool because Obama. I can't think of any reason why Russia is such a giant threat to our interests as you and your ilk are desperately trying to make it out to be.
Post by: Tommy on March 06, 2017, 02:50:21 PM
I mean, that's a valid viewpoint, but it is also exactly the reason why Russia has an interest in promoting nationalist/isolationist governments in other Western democracies. Their motivation is for Western democracies to be less global and more insular.
The logical move for Trump, if he could get away with it, was to utilize Russian data-collecting network to time attacks against his opposition. The logical move for Russia, presumably, was to attempt to subtly promote the release of information that help candidates with a more nationalistic, less global-policing agenda - and to attempt to ensure that those types of policies are enacted (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?utm_term=.5d38ff2d09d6).
There is absolutely no evidence so far that there was any collusion, but there are clear motivations for it on both sides.
Of course. And there always will be. Russia would LOVE the EU to dissolve, and I'm sure it's part of their grand strategy for increasing their vastly diminished influence on the world's stage.
Post by: ons on March 06, 2017, 03:01:28 PM
I can't think of any reason why Russia is such a giant threat to our interests as you and your ilk are desperately trying to make it out to be.
In my personal opinion, the only reason Russia would be a 'giant threat' is if there were campaign negotiations that the current administration feels that they need to hide. If it were understood that someone within the Trump team was illicitly negotiating for access to Russian information during the campaign, Russia can use that information to leverage the executive branch of the United States Government for favorable negotiations down the line.
It's one thing if our government is committed to putting wealth in the hands of American billionaires (not a position that I agree with, but also not an affront to the core of American governance), but it's another thing if our government is committed to putting wealth in the hands of Russian billionaires/the Russian oligarchy because they are being subtly blackmailed.
Again, if members of the administration were completely open about their communications with the Russians during the campaign, this shouldn't be a story. It's only a story if it's perceived that they have something to hide.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 06, 2017, 03:15:57 PM
Yeah, one investment makes you "in bed with Russia." Hey, TD Asset Management was also involved, so I guess Canada is also "in bed with Russia". Let's throw in the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development as well while we're at it.Thats some nice deflection.
I don't get it. Many of you supported Obama lifting sanctions on Iran and trusting that they won't acquire nuclear weapons, even though they've been openly hostile to U.S interests, threatened Israel constantly, funds terrorist groups, and whose regime held our people captive for more than a year. But they're cool because Obama. I can't think of any reason why Russia is such a giant threat to our interests as you and your ilk are desperately trying to make it out to be.
I don't a excrement about other governments, much less countries, when it comes to their ties to Russia. I care about Russia deliberately acting to help a US president get elected. I care that said president and staff repeatedly lie about conversations taking place. I just want the truth. Enough bullshit.
Nice try with Iran. I could debate both sides of that but it has nothing to do with this conversation.
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Post by: Tommy on March 06, 2017, 03:22:05 PM
In my personal opinion, the only reason Russia would be a 'giant threat' is if there were campaign negotiations that the current administration feels that they need to hide. If it were understood that someone within the Trump team was illicitly negotiating for access to Russian information during the campaign, Russia can use that information to leverage the executive branch of the United States Government for favorable negotiations down the line.
It's one thing if our government is committed to putting wealth in the hands of American billionaires (not a position that I agree with, but also not an affront to the core of American governance), but it's another thing if our government is committed to putting wealth in the hands of Russian billionaires/the Russian oligarchy because they are being subtly blackmailed.
Again, if members of the administration were completely open about their communications with the Russians during the campaign, this shouldn't be a story. It's only a story if it's perceived that they have something to hide.
I completely understand how some can see some conversations with Russia or not disclosing certain conversations especially when that state has been accused of trying to influence the election can sound fishy, but it's still quite a bit of a reach. If Trump's team wanted to damage Clinton's campaign, which they were actively doing anyway (both sides were), then why go to another government and ask for help when you know they'll ask for something in return, or hold it against you. Especially fuckn' Russia of all countries. Trump and his group had plenty of resources to hire a bunch of hackers to do it themselves if they wanted to, or thought of it. It just doesn't make any practical sense.
Post by: Tommy on March 06, 2017, 03:26:37 PM
Thats some nice deflection.
I don't a excrement about other governments, much less countries, when it comes to their ties to Russia. I care about Russia deliberately acting to help a US president get elected. I care that said president and staff repeatedly lie about conversations taking place. I just want the truth. Enough bullshit.
Nice try with Iran. I could debate both sides of that but it has nothing to do with this conversation.
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What are these "repeated lies"? The fact that Flynn spoke to the Russian ambassador was perfectly normal, but granted he didn't disclose that he mentioned sanctions in the conversation. Sessions has met with countless foreign diplomats over the last few months as a Senator in the Armed Services Committee, so he technically didn't lie when he was asked if he spoke to the Russians, which the context of the exchange (according to the transcript) was about the election or even the possibility of lifting sanctions. Sessions doesn't have the authority to influence a decision like that anyway.
You're really turning an inch into a mile here.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 06, 2017, 03:31:02 PM
I completely understand how some can see some conversations with Russia or not disclosing certain conversations especially when that state has been accused of trying to influence the election can sound fishy, but it's still quite a bit of a reach. If Trump's team wanted to damage Clinton's campaign, which they were actively doing anyway (both sides were), then why go to another government and ask for help when you know they'll ask for something in return, or hold it against you. Especially fuckn' Russia of all countries. Trump and his group had plenty of resources to hire a bunch of hackers to do it themselves if they wanted to, or thought of it. It just doesn't make any practical sense.Well... There was the time that Trump specifically asked them to, and stuff.
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 06, 2017, 03:36:00 PM
What are these "repeated lies"? The fact that Flynn spoke to the Russian ambassador was perfectly normal, but granted he didn't disclose that he mentioned sanctions in the conversation. Sessions has met with countless foreign diplomats over the last few months as a Senator in the Armed Services Committee, so he technically didn't lie when he was asked if he spoke to the Russians, which the context of the exchange (according to the transcript) was about the election or even the possibility of lifting sanctions. Sessions doesn't have the authority to influence a decision like that anyway.No. You are trying to turn a dumpster fire into a space heater.
You're really turning an inch into a mile here.
The ambassador met with Flynn and the son in law at Trump tower, when Trump was in the building. Are you honestly, seriously, going to tell me Trump had no idea?
Again... Nothing wrong with that, or any of the other meetings happening. Its totally OK.
Why lie about it?
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Post by: Tommy on March 06, 2017, 04:10:38 PM
No. You are trying to turn a dumpster fire into a space heater.
The ambassador met with Flynn and the son in law at Trump tower, when Trump was in the building. Are you honestly, seriously, going to tell me Trump had no idea?
Again... Nothing wrong with that, or any of the other meetings happening. Its totally OK.
Why lie about it?
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Trump never said that his team didn't speak to the Russians during the transition. Trump and Jared also met with the Japanese prime minister, among others. The National Security Adviser was simply doing his job during the transition, which is to get in touch with other countries and their ambassadors and diplomats. What he wasn't supposed to do was discuss sanctions, which he says he probably did but didn't mention it to Trump. It had nothing to do with a conversation taking place, but more to do with the contents of that conversation. Flynn fucked up and got canned for it.
Post by: ons on March 06, 2017, 11:49:30 PM
then why go to another government and ask for help when you know they'll ask for something in return, or hold it against you. Especially fuckn' Russia of all countries. Trump and his group had plenty of resources to hire a bunch of hackers to do it themselves if they wanted to, or thought of it. It just doesn't make any practical sense.
I don't think anyone believes that a Trump campaign official specifically went to the Russian government asking for help with their campaign. I can't believe that you don't already know this, but that isn't the only way this type of dialogue/negotiation could have happened. .
Post by: ons on March 06, 2017, 11:52:33 PM
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so he technically didn't lie when he was asked if he spoke to the Russians, which the context of the exchange (according to the transcript) was about the election or even the possibility of lifting sanctions. Sessions doesn't have the authority to influence a decision like that anyway.
You are misconstruing the transcript when purporting to actually talk about what the transcript says... The potentially damning statement had nothing to do with sanctions and didn't specifically mention the election. It was only about contact, and what should be done about the contact.
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Franken: "CNN just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week that included information that quote, ‘Russian operatives claimed to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump.’ These documents also allegedly say quote, ‘There was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump's surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.’ Now, again, I'm telling you this as it's coming out, so you know. But if it's true, it's obviously extremely serious and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?"
Sessions: "Senator Franken, I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn't have — did not have communications with the Russians, and I'm unable to comment on it."
I mean, agree to disagree on what constitutes a "technical lie" I suppose.
Post by: sg3 on March 07, 2017, 04:51:03 AM
Again... Tax returns.
You just explained how financially in bed his new cabinet member is with Russia.
5 people lied for no reason about conversations with the Russian ambassador.
Hillary tried the reset with Putin. It failed. Like most sane people she knows he is the most dangerous leader on the planet.
If you want to be all blind and deaf about it, fine. I am not going to argue about it anymore.
No worries though. Trump had a twitter meltdown this weekend while on his 4th vacation since he was sworn in. I have a feeling he isn't going to be in office long. He may just resign.
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Hopefully as soon as possible after he is institutionalized due his severe and dangerous psychosis
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Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 07:18:57 AM
You are misconstruing the transcript when purporting to actually talk about what the transcript says... The potentially damning statement had nothing to do with sanctions and didn't specifically mention the election. It was only about contact, and what should be done about the contact.
I mean, agree to disagree on what constitutes a "technical lie" I suppose.
Well, you have to remember that Sessions was a Senator until he was confirmed, and as a Senator, especially part of his particular committee, his job is to meet with ambassadors from many different countries. Franken's question implied that any communication with Russians while being a "surrogate" is a big issue, when it's really not. But Sessions knew what Franken was implying, contact with the Russians about Trump or the campaign. Sessions already clarified his remark, and that committee seemed to have already moved on from that, so perhaps you should as well. But, again, believe whatever conspiracy you want to be true. I'm not going to tell you how to think.
Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 07:20:05 AM
I am not saying this as a defense of our Oompa Loompa in charge, but if you don't think Russia has a dossier on most every politician, general, and business leader and where their skeletons are buried, than I have a bridge to sell you.
Im sure we have the same. The amount of money we spend on intelligence is absurdly higher than most countries combined.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 07, 2017, 08:25:21 AM
Im sure we have the same. The amount of money we spend on intelligence is absurdly higher than most countries combined.
freak yes we do, if we don't, then frankly they're not doing their jobs correctly. They found Bin Laden, excrement almost all the drone strikes, taking out "individuals of interest" is the result of good spy work.
The problem with all the info they have on people, is how to interpret the info and use it to our advantage.
Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 09:49:17 AM
freak yes we do, if we don't, then frankly they're not doing their jobs correctly. They found Bin Laden, excrement almost all the drone strikes, taking out "individuals of interest" is the result of good spy work.
The problem with all the info they have on people, is how to interpret the info and use it to our advantage.
Exactly. Also, people have forgotten about the Cold War and how much more serious it was than our little disagreements with the Russian government. Treating Russia like they have the same influence and power as the former USSR is exactly what Putin wants. They're a second-rate power trying to reclaim their former glory on the world's stage, and no one's buying it. Yeah, they may have some support in certain former Soviet republics, or rogue states that hate the U.S, but that's pretty much it.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 07, 2017, 10:05:41 AM
Exactly. Also, people have forgotten about the Cold War and how much more serious it was than our little disagreements with the Russian government. Treating Russia like they have the same influence and power as the former USSR is exactly what Putin wants. They're a second-rate power trying to reclaim their former glory on the world's stage, and no one's buying it. Yeah, they may have some support in certain former Soviet republics, or rogue states that hate the U.S, but that's pretty much it.A second rate power with more nukes than us? OK.
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Post by: ons on March 07, 2017, 10:07:41 AM
Well, you have to remember that Sessions was a Senator until he was confirmed, and as a Senator, especially part of his particular committee, his job is to meet with ambassadors from many different countries. Franken's question implied that any communication with Russians while being a "surrogate" is a big issue, when it's really not. But Sessions knew what Franken was implying, contact with the Russians about Trump or the campaign.
First of all, members of the Armed Services Committee do not meet with the Russian Ambassador with any frequency. No other members have said they met him in 2016, when asked, and I have yet to see a single documented instance of a one on one meeting with the Russian Ambassador by any current member of the Armed Services Committee.
It's interesting that when I actually provide quotes proving something you wrote is incorrect, instead of acknowledging it, you deflect and attempt to shift your argument.
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Sessions already clarified his remark, and that committee seemed to have already moved on from that, so perhaps you should as well.
I assume you are vaguely talking about the Senate Judiciary Committee's decision not to bring back Sessions for another round of questioning? If you are, I'm sure that you are aware that certain members of the committee are still in the process of seeking further clarification, and that it stands to reason that the Republican leader of a Republican led, Republican majority committee would "have already moved on from that," so to speak.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 07, 2017, 10:08:36 AM
A second rate power with more nukes than us? OK.
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I think there's a difference between economically and militarily. They're not militarily but economically hell yes.
Post by: ons on March 07, 2017, 10:12:01 AM
Treating Russia like they have the same influence and power as the former USSR is exactly what Putin wants.
No, getting back the same influence and power as the former USSR by reducing the influence and power of Western democracies is exactly what Putin wants. Slight difference.
Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 11:04:17 AM
I think there's a difference between economically and militarily. They're not militarily but economically hell yes.
Aside from nukes, they're not even close to us militarily. We have 11 aircraft carriers. They have one. If it weren't for nukes we'd turn the entire country into ash without dropping a single soldier on their soil.
Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 11:11:16 AM
No, getting back the same influence and power as the former USSR by reducing the influence and power of Western democracies is exactly what Putin wants. Slight difference.
Yeah, but there's zero chance any of that happens. No matter how much Putin tries to undermine Western democracies.
Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 11:13:54 AM
First of all, members of the Armed Services Committee do not meet with the Russian Ambassador with any frequency. No other members have said they met him in 2016, when asked, and I have yet to see a single documented instance of a one on one meeting with the Russian Ambassador by any current member of the Armed Services Committee.
It's interesting that when I actually provide quotes proving something you wrote is incorrect, instead of acknowledging it, you deflect and attempt to shift your argument.
I assume you are vaguely talking about the Senate Judiciary Committee's decision not to bring back Sessions for another round of questioning? If you are, I'm sure that you are aware that certain members of the committee are still in the process of seeking further clarification, and that it stands to reason that the Republican leader of a Republican led, Republican majority committee would "have already moved on from that," so to speak.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/03/03/heres-a-list-of-democrats-who-also-met-with-the-russian-ambassador-n2293775
Post by: Miamipuck on March 07, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Aside from nukes, they're not even close to us militarily. We have 11 aircraft carriers. They have one. If it weren't for nukes we'd turn the entire country into ash without dropping a single soldier on their soil.
I don't want to get into a larger argument of a long protracted war with Russia. I will bring Hitler into it only to point out the logical fallacy of thinking anyone with a superior Army can easily destroy Russia in a conventional war.
Point of fact is, for whatever reason (mostly the vastness, the unrelenting mud in spring and fall, and the cold of winter) nobody has beaten Russia in that kind of war throughout history.
I honestly don't believe we could either. So my point stands, they're a first rate military power, with or without nukes. Aircraft carriers aren't going to amount to a hill of beans when it comes to striking the interior of Russia.
Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 12:34:53 PM
I don't want to get into a larger argument of a long protracted war with Russia. I will bring Hitler into it only to point out the logical fallacy of thinking anyone with a superior Army can easily destroy Russia in a conventional war.
Point of fact is, for whatever reason (mostly the vastness, the unrelenting mud in spring and fall, and the cold of winter) nobody has beaten Russia in that kind of war throughout history.
I honestly don't believe we could either. So my point stands, they're a first rate military power, with or without nukes. Aircraft carriers aren't going to amount to a hill of beans when it comes to striking the interior of Russia.
Alright I don't want to get into a debate about a war that's about as likely to happen as us going to war with Canada.
Post by: ons on March 07, 2017, 12:53:03 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/03/03/heres-a-list-of-democrats-who-also-met-with-the-russian-ambassador-n2293775
Zero references to private, one on one meetings? Sounds like exactly what I was talking about earlier.
And once again, this is a story because of how evasive the administration has been, not because of the fact that there were any communications to begin with.
Post by: ons on March 07, 2017, 12:53:55 PM
Yeah, but there's zero chance any of that happens. No matter how much Putin tries to undermine Western democracies.
I will let Crimea know there is zero chance of Russian expansion into Eastern Europe.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 07, 2017, 03:28:52 PM
Aside from nukes, they're not even close to us militarily. We have 11 aircraft carriers. They have one. If it weren't for nukes we'd turn the entire country into ash without dropping a single soldier on their soil.Russia, right now, has enough nuclear submarines off our coasts to wipe us out. Our aircraft carriers would be almost entirely useless in a war with them. Putin could start annexing the former soviet states tomorrow. What would we do.
Putin is considered the richest man in the world in many regards. Even with the sanctions the Russians seem to be doing just fine. Underestimating them, and any ties they may have to Trump, is a big mistake.
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Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 04:01:55 PM
I will let Crimea know there is zero chance of Russian expansion into Eastern Europe.
60% of the people there are Russian and want to be part of Russia. Yeah the overthrow was Russian-backed, but let's not pretend the people didn't want it to happen. Eastern Ukraine is more of an issue.
Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 04:02:42 PM
Russia, right now, has enough nuclear submarines off our coasts to wipe us out. Our aircraft carriers would be almost entirely useless in a war with them. Putin could start annexing the former soviet states tomorrow. What would we do.
Putin is considered the richest man in the world in many regards. Even with the sanctions the Russians seem to be doing just fine. Underestimating them, and any ties they may have to Trump, is a big mistake.
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Take off your tinfoil hat, dude. Russia is not a military threat.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 07, 2017, 04:24:00 PM
Take off your tinfoil hat, dude. Russia is not a military threat.Wut?
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Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 04:33:25 PM
Wut?
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There were countless opportunities for the USSR and the U.S to go to war during the Cold War, and nothing ever happened. The threat of Nuclear Armageddon and mutually assured destruction is way too great for any conflict to make sense. I understood being afraid of nuclear war in the 60s, but now? With Russia? Please. The thing about Russia, and countries that have nukes, is that you can't really threaten them with military force - it won't work. It's all geopolitical maneuvering and chess to influence other countries and dictate policies that will benefit their interests. Nukes are ironically what will keep a major world war from ever happening again.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 07, 2017, 05:24:47 PM
There were countless opportunities for the USSR and the U.S to go to war during the Cold War, and nothing ever happened. The threat of Nuclear Armageddon and mutually assured destruction is way too great for any conflict to make sense. I understood being afraid of nuclear war in the 60s, but now? With Russia? Please. The thing about Russia, and countries that have nukes, is that you can't really threaten them with military force - it won't work. It's all geopolitical maneuvering and chess to influence other countries and dictate policies that will benefit their interests. Nukes are ironically what will keep a major world war from ever happening again.The 2 biggests egos in the world currently have the codes. However I highly doubt nukes will come into play.
Putin is the alpha. He will, without a doubt, take advantage of the circus the US has become. He will try to take more territory back in the coming years, and Trump will eventually get asshurt enough to step in and swing around his tiny dick.
Nuclear war? No. Conventional war? Probable.
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Post by: dcm1602 on March 07, 2017, 07:46:16 PM
The 2 biggests egos in the world currently have the codes. However I highly doubt nukes will come into play.
Putin is the alpha. He will, without a doubt, take advantage of the circus the US has become. He will try to take more territory back in the coming years, and Trump will eventually get asshurt enough to step in and swing around his tiny dick.
Nuclear war? No. Conventional war? Probable.
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Could Trump freak up international relations, destroy the environment, tarnish the united states image. Sure. Even Calling those things "probable" with him is reasonable and fair, I wouldnt argue that.
But calling a conventional war with Russia "probable" is absolutely full blown freaking retarded. And when you say stupid excrement like that, nobody should take your opinion seriously on anything.
Post by: Tommy on March 07, 2017, 08:01:16 PM
Could Trump freak up international relations, destroy the environment, tarnish the united states image. Sure. Even Calling those things "probable" with him is reasonable and fair, I wouldnt argue that.
But calling a conventional war with Russia "probable" is absolutely full blown freaking retarded. And when you say stupid excrement like that, nobody should take your opinion seriously on anything.
Yeah I didn't even want to respond to that. During the Cold War we had "proxy wars" to prevent direct conflicts between us and the USSR. How in the freak could we go into a conventional war with Russia without in turning into a nuclear war. Also, why are we even having this debate? Russia doesn't pose much of a threat to our standing as the world's lone superpower. People are just looking for a boogeyman.
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2017, 11:10:11 PM
It's all geopolitical maneuvering and chess to influence other countries and dictate policies that will benefit their interests.
Exactly. Like interfering in the elections of other countries.
Post by: Johnny English on March 08, 2017, 12:09:31 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/to-fund-border-wall-trump-administration-weighs-cuts-to-coast-guard-airport-security/2017/03/07/ba4a8e5c-036f-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html
Post by: Fenwyr on March 08, 2017, 12:10:03 PM
Could Trump freak up international relations, destroy the environment, tarnish the united states image. Sure. Even Calling those things "probable" with him is reasonable and fair, I wouldnt argue that.I meant us stepping in to protect a NATO ally from Russian invasion, not a freaking assault on freaking Moscow. Thought that was implied in the previous paragraph.
But calling a conventional war with Russia "probable" is absolutely full blown freaking retarded. And when you say stupid excrement like that, nobody should take your opinion seriously on anything.
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Post by: Badger on March 08, 2017, 12:30:19 PM
Hahahahahaha you freaking idiots.Hahahahahaha
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/to-fund-border-wall-trump-administration-weighs-cuts-to-coast-guard-airport-security/2017/03/07/ba4a8e5c-036f-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html
Post by: Jumbo on March 08, 2017, 12:48:29 PM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 08, 2017, 02:40:13 PM
who else has been dropping healthcare plans this year?
what do we do with that title on jan 1 2018?
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 08, 2017, 02:41:39 PM
Post by: Tommy on March 08, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
mfw the title of the new healthcare bill is "World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text
Oh my God.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 08, 2017, 02:54:10 PM
mfw the title of the new healthcare bill is "World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text
I don't think this is the same bill that Paul Ryan just promoted. I think this is a different one. It was introduced by Texas Representative Pete Sessions.
EDIT. Yep, it's a different bill.
http://www.spin.com/2017/03/worlds-greatest-healthcare-bill-obamacare/
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 08, 2017, 06:08:24 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 09, 2017, 11:20:41 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2017, 09:20:03 PM
He's not going to get a chance. The way things are going it will be president Ryan signing the bill. Well, maybe Pence, but he has his own problems.
Any idea what president Ryan is going to do about the war with Russia though ?
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2017, 09:48:01 PM
Any idea what president Ryan is going to do about the war with Russia though ?
The free market will resolve it / Let the states decide
Post by: Fenwyr on March 10, 2017, 03:01:32 AM
Any idea what president Ryan is going to do about the war with Russia though ?Ryan doesn't seem very hawkish to me. He only wants to destroy this country.
And yes. I get your sarcasm. Might have tried that when I responded to your ignorant derriere post regarding that. You got all quiet on that one.
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Post by: Badger on March 10, 2017, 06:34:26 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/us/politics/us-attorney-justice-department-trump.html
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WASHINGTON — The Trump administration on Friday moved to sweep away the remaining vestiges of Obama administration prosecutors at the Justice Department, ordering 46 holdover United States attorneys to tender their resignations immediately — including Preet Bharara, the United States attorney in Manhattan.
The firings were a surprise — especially for Mr. Bharara, who has a reputation for prosecuting public corruption cases. In November, Mr. Bharara met with then President-elect Donald J. Trump at Trump Tower and told reporters afterward that Mr. Trump had asked him about staying on, which the prosecutor said he expected to do.
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Mr. Bharara is among the highest-profile United States attorneys, with a purview that includes Wall Street as well as a number of corruption cases involving New York elected officials or their aides.
Mr. Bharara’s office is involved in a case related to a top adviser to Gov. Andrew Cuomo, and is also probing allegations of pay-for-play around Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York.
Mr. Trump invited Mr. Bharara to meet with him during a public get-together at Trump Tower during the transition. Afterward, Mr. Bharara told reporters that he had been asked to remain on in his job — and that Mr. Sessions had asked him to stay on.
A person familiar with the calls that have been made said there was no advance warning of the move. It came less than 24 hours after Sean Hannity, the Fox News commentator who often speaks with Mr. Trump, called for a “purge” of Obama appointees at the Justice Department on his show.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 10, 2017, 09:38:27 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2017, 09:44:49 AM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/323477-top-trump-adviser-admits-to-contacting-dnc-hackers-report
Post by: Johnny English on March 11, 2017, 09:46:34 AM
https://www.palmerreport.com/news/mike-pence-learned-in-november-that-michael-flynn-was-a-foreign-agent-lied-about-knowing/1863/
Post by: bojanglesman on March 11, 2017, 03:46:48 PM
Haha
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2017, 06:06:21 PM
Outrage!
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2017, 09:40:48 PM
Post by: reuben on March 12, 2017, 09:43:35 PM
https://youtu.be/GeC_-VZQMJI
Outrage!
IT'S RENO TIME
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2017, 10:02:49 PM
What's your point? I'm aware that happened and I'm not going to defend it.
No point really tbh
Post by: Badger on March 12, 2017, 10:12:20 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/u-s-attorney-preet-bharara-biggest-prosecuting-successes-article-1.2666558
http://www.businessinsider.com/preet-bharara-trump-fired-high-profile-cases-2017-3
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/biggest-names-on-preet-bhararas-trophy-wall.html
I mean, he's only been hugely successful in prosecuting corrupt politicians, Wall Street con artists, terrorists, gang members, and all types of pieces of excrement.
This would be like Indy's new GM cutting Andrew Luck because he was picked by his predecessor... and someone defending it because some other shitty GM cleaned house once too.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2017, 11:53:37 AM
Just gonna leave these here in case anyone wasn't aware who he was until they read his name in this thread:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/u-s-attorney-preet-bharara-biggest-prosecuting-successes-article-1.2666558
http://www.businessinsider.com/preet-bharara-trump-fired-high-profile-cases-2017-3
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/biggest-names-on-preet-bhararas-trophy-wall.html
I mean, he's only been hugely successful in prosecuting corrupt politicians, Wall Street con artists, terrorists, gang members, and all types of pieces of excrement.
This would be like Indy's new GM cutting Andrew Luck because he was picked by his predecessor... and someone defending it because some other shitty GM cleaned house once too.
Dude it happens every change of administration. And it's not like cutting Andrew Luck, it's like coming in cutting the old GMs Coach.
Every Republican and every Democrat does it when they take office and this is no different. Trump has done a ton of stupid obnoxious excrement this shouldn't be one to complain about
Post by: Tommy on March 13, 2017, 12:08:07 PM
What's your point? I'm aware that happened and I'm not going to defend it.
The point is that there's far more outrage about it now then there was back then. Mountains out of molehills, as per usual. I don't agree with Sessions firing everyone, especially Preet, but he's well within his right to do so.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 13, 2017, 12:49:35 PM
Dude it happens every change of administration. And it's not like cutting Andrew Luck, it's like coming in cutting the old GMs Coach.Other than the fact it hasn't happened in 24 years, your point is spot on.
Every Republican and every Democrat does it when they take office and this is no different. Trump has done a ton of stupid obnoxious excrement this shouldn't be one to complain about
Something tells me the new guy he appoints for the Trump Tower/Wall Street district will be somewhat more forgiving.
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Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2017, 01:19:44 PM
Post by: Tommy on March 13, 2017, 01:36:07 PM
Every time I watch a Spicer press conference, he looks like a man who is one weak moment away from going back home and swallowing his gun.
I can't remember a single likeable press secretary. Josh Earnest was a smug little prick, and the only one I can think of that actually did a decent job was Ari Fleischer, at least in my opinion. I'm not a fan of Spicer at all.
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2017, 02:14:25 PM
The point is that there's far more outrage about it now then there was back then. Mountains out of molehills, as per usual. I don't agree with Sessions firing everyone, especially Preet, but he's well within his right to do so.You can disagree with something without being outraged, and you shouldn't dismiss every problem the other side has as outrage.
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2017, 02:21:42 PM
Other than the fact it hasn't happened in 24 years, your point is spot on.There's zero possibility of him appointing a replacement that's as good at that job.
Something tells me the new guy he appoints for the Trump Tower/Wall Street district will be somewhat more forgiving.
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Post by: Tommy on March 13, 2017, 02:36:43 PM
You can disagree with something without being outraged, and you shouldn't dismiss every problem the other side has as outrage.
I agree, but we're getting to the point where one side will just attack the other side for every action, which happened under Obama and Bush all the time. It discourages honest debate and just divides the country even more.
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
I agree, but we're getting to the point where one side will just attack the other side for every action, which happened under Obama and Bush all the time. It discourages honest debate and just divides the country even more.As soon as I'm guilty of that, let me know.
Post by: Tommy on March 13, 2017, 02:41:27 PM
As soon as I'm guilty of that, let me know.
Didn't say you were, as you've been pretty fair and pretty rational on most issues since I've known you.
Post by: IATA on March 13, 2017, 02:50:40 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2017, 03:20:27 PM
Other than the fact it hasn't happened in 24 years, your point is spot on.
Something tells me the new guy he appoints for the Trump Tower/Wall Street district will be somewhat more forgiving.
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An incoming administration hasn't replaced the previous attorney general in 24 years? Wow that's incredible. Who will prosecute the Russian Spies in the upcoming conventional war with them?
Post by: Fenwyr on March 13, 2017, 03:29:30 PM
An incoming administration hasn't replaced the previous attorney general in 24 years? Wow that's incredible. Who will prosecute the Russian Spies in the upcoming conventional war with them?Dont be daft. Unless you really are full retard, you know exactly what I was responding to.
Clinton was the last president to clean house and replace all the attorneys. Bush didnt. Obama didnt.
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Post by: Tommy on March 13, 2017, 03:35:07 PM
Dont be daft. Unless you really are full retard, you know exactly what I was responding to.
Clinton was the last president to clean house and replace all the attorneys. Bush didnt. Obama didnt.
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Come on. That's just like two administrations. You're acting like this is unprecedented.
Post by: ons on March 13, 2017, 03:36:46 PM
Come on. That's just like two administrations. You're acting like this is unprecedented.
It was largely unprecedented when Bill Clinton did it, and was a shitty and widely criticised move at the time.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2017, 03:41:59 PM
Dont be daft. Unless you really are full retard, you know exactly what I was responding to.
Clinton was the last president to clean house and replace all the attorneys. Bush didnt. Obama didnt.
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Obama basically did, he just did it at a slower pace instead of all in one shot.
Regardless the Democrats set this precedent, so they should shut the freak up.
Post by: Tommy on March 13, 2017, 03:44:11 PM
Obama basically did, he just did it at a slower pace instead of all in one shot.
Regardless the Democrats set this precedent, so they should shut the freak up.
Or how about everyone stop criticizing a cabinet member from wanting to put their own people in office.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 13, 2017, 06:28:54 PM
Obama basically did, he just did it at a slower pace instead of all in one shot.Well, if you replace Obama with Clinton you would have an accurate statement.
Regardless the Democrats set this precedent, so they should shut the freak up.
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Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2017, 06:42:14 PM
Well, if you replace Obama with Clinton you would have an accurate statement.
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So if Obama didn't replace most of Bushes, how is Trump asking 46 of Obamas appointees to resign?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 13, 2017, 07:20:55 PM
So if Obama didn't replace most of Bushes, how is Trump asking 46 of Obamas appointees to resign?
Obama was in office for eight years. He didn't fire every Bush-appointed U.S. attorney within the first two months of his administration.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2017, 07:33:29 PM
It's just the Democrats saying elections matter, and that they should hurry up and replace the holdovers and put in their own people. But Trump does it and he's the reincarnation of Hitler.
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Pressure from lawmakers and local Democrats to replace the sitting prosecutors has been significant. Holder's comments Thursday came in response to a question from Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) "Many jurisdictions are waiting desperately to see what is going to be done. As we understand it, the protocol has been that U.S. Attorneys would hand in their resignations and would give the new administration an opportunity to make new appointments, we don’t see that happening quite fast enough," she said, pointing to complaints about prosecutors in Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama..
Waters seemed satisfied with Holder's answer, but she was intent on creating a sense of urgency. "There is a danger with some of them being left there. So whatever you can do to move them we appreciate it," she said
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2017, 07:37:45 PM
So maybe you guys should stop being whiney bitchy hypocrites, and eat the excrement the left started, and BOTH parties have participated in and are guilty of. Every single president does it, it's simply a matter of how quickly, and how much whiney obnoxious fucks bitch whine and cry about it.
When Trump gets ousted in 4 years I'm pretty sure none of you will be crying when all of his people get booted rather quickly
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 13, 2017, 08:26:10 PM
shut your derriere up
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2017, 09:15:38 PM
he asked preet whether he wanted to stay on, preet said yes, trump told him they'd be keeping him on, then they asked him to resign, he refused, so they fired him
shut your derriere up
So Trump hurting this guy's feelings makes this a big deal?
Because a politician has never changed their mind before
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2017, 09:27:36 PM
It was largely unprecedented when Bill Clinton did it, and was a shitty and widely criticised move at the time.
Apparently dcm has nothing but crickets for this point.
I don't know why someone would waste so much energy defending someone they didn't even vote for.
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2017, 09:30:02 PM
See there's a sense of urgency, and a danger in them being there.
So maybe you guys should stop being whiney bitchy hypocrites, and eat the excrement the left started, and BOTH parties have participated in and are guilty of. Every single president does it, it's simply a matter of how quickly, and how much whiney obnoxious fucks bitch whine and cry about it.
When Trump gets ousted in 4 years I'm pretty sure none of you will be crying when all of his people get booted rather quickly
His people have 4 years to give us a reason to be upset when they get shitcanned.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 13, 2017, 09:33:08 PM
So Trump hurting this guy's feelings makes this a big deal?
Because a politician has never changed their mind before
it's not about whether or not his feelings were hurt
there are some insufferable clowns in this thread
Post by: dcm1602 on March 13, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
Apparently dcm has nothing but crickets for this point.
I don't know why someone would waste so much energy defending someone they didn't even vote for.
Yes it was unprecedented before it was precedented.
That's generally how it works. Worth reminding that Clinton was elected what 20 something years ago?
Also I briefly read (but don't really care enough to look into) that Reagan did it too.
Regardless this is something that's completely common practice yet people want to bitch and cry about it.
Trump's doing far worse excrement, how about you guys bitch about deregulation when only a few years ago the housing crisis blowing up almost caused the apocalypse.
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2017, 09:56:50 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 13, 2017, 10:52:30 PM
Yes it was unprecedented before it was precedented.To be fair, you are honestly the only one in this thread bitching about this subject. It is common knowledge that incoming presidents replace these guys.
That's generally how it works. Worth reminding that Clinton was elected what 20 something years ago?
Also I briefly read (but don't really care enough to look into) that Reagan did it too.
Regardless this is something that's completely common practice yet people want to bitch and cry about it.
Trump's doing far worse excrement, how about you guys bitch about deregulation when only a few years ago the housing crisis blowing up almost caused the apocalypse.
And not that I give a excrement, but since you obviously feel like arguing this subject...
No, Clinton did not set this precedent.
No, no other president in modern history has fired this many prosecutors, with no notice, and told them to be out by midnight.
Again, it really doesnt matter, but at least get your facts straight.
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Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2017, 06:32:24 AM
I wonder how long people are going to allow themselves to be treated like complete imbeciles by this administration.
Post by: Coach K on March 14, 2017, 07:38:36 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/13/sean-spicer-just-explained-why-wire-tapping-is-different-from-wire-tapping/?utm_term=.e32d2e1caf8c
I wonder how long people are going to allow themselves to be treated like complete imbeciles by this administration.
This administration blows donkey dick . It's like a bad Disney movie where a kid becomes president and everyone has to force stupid shot out of their mouth to defend him
Benny Hill music shpuld be playing in the white house at all times
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2017, 08:43:57 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
SBTO
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/18/1817d384ee71e5926058b133f9df4217b78c00361451e58a7d69d9f3e406e4c3.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2017, 10:42:00 AM
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/18/1817d384ee71e5926058b133f9df4217b78c00361451e58a7d69d9f3e406e4c3.jpg)
If the economy and stock market continues on its current pace Trump goes down as a GOAT
Of course Trump is absolutely benefitting from some of Obamas doing as it takes quite a while for the president to impact the economy truly. But the deregulation thing can be boom or bust. Either a huge bubble and crash, or a blast back to the 90s
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
Post by: Tommy on March 14, 2017, 11:37:17 AM
If the economy and stock market continues on its current pace Trump goes down as a GOAT
Of course Trump is absolutely benefitting from some of Obamas doing as it takes quite a while for the president to impact the economy truly. But the deregulation thing can be boom or bust. Either a huge bubble and crash, or a blast back to the 90s
What exactly has Obama done to spur economic growth?
Post by: insanity on March 14, 2017, 12:04:57 PM
And just before I get criticized for it, I don't think Trump will overall be a "good" President. But, he has potential to nail by far the most important issue.
... Which is what?
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2017, 12:11:10 PM
And just before I get criticized for it, I don't think Trump will overall be a "good" President. But, he has potential to nail by far the most important issue.
Slashing taxes and regulations and leaving a mess for the next admin: nailing it
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2017, 01:13:29 PM
Slashing taxes and regulations and leaving a mess for the next admin: nailing it
Considering Obama did far too much of both I'm OK with going the opposite direction
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2017, 01:31:58 PM
What exactly has Obama done to spur economic growth?
I have no idea what Obama did to spur growth, but the economy is doing pretty well, and it is generally agreed upon that presidential policies lag several months until you see a difference in the economy. So I think its only fair to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, that some of what he did actually had a positive influence on the economy.
I certainly dont think it would be fair to give Trump all the credit considering hes barely been in office, although he absolutely has inspired substantial confidence in the stock market.
Post by: sg3 on March 14, 2017, 02:15:02 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2017, 07:36:19 PM
Rachel Maddow MSNBC @maddow
BREAKING: We've got Trump tax returns. Tonight, 9pm ET. MSNBC.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2017, 07:43:08 PM
Rachel Maddow@maddow
What we've got is from 2005... the President's 1040 form... details to come tonight 9PM ET, MSNBC.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2017, 08:02:01 PM
Eeeehhhhh...... might be interesting, but not as good as hoped.
Rachel Maddow@maddow
What we've got is from 2005... the President's 1040 form... details to come tonight 9PM ET, MSNBC.
ShitNews
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2017, 08:07:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2017, 07:16:34 AM
Well now.
Rachel Maddow MSNBC @maddow
BREAKING: We've got Trump tax returns. Tonight, 9pm ET. MSNBC.
So Trump paid $38M in taxes on $150M income? What exactly is the breaking news here? nice work maddow
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2017, 07:58:12 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2017, 08:12:56 AM
So Trump paid $38M in taxes on $150M income? What exactly is the breaking news here? nice work maddow
It wouldn't be a thing if he, y'know, released them himself. Like he should have done months ago.
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2017, 08:13:10 AM
I'm thinking of changing the name of this thread to Operation: Dung Beetle
I got you fam
Post by: Coach K on March 15, 2017, 08:21:53 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2017, 08:30:58 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2017, 08:51:54 AM
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Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2017, 10:18:41 AM
Not as good as the name sg3 would have come up with. Sad!
Orange Shitler Cheeto-Jesus Hair Fuhrer Mango Mussolini poopchute Ronald McDump.
/sg3
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2017, 12:18:32 PM
Post by: sg3 on March 15, 2017, 12:24:31 PM
Not as good as the name sg3 would have come up with. Sad!GFY
Post by: sg3 on March 15, 2017, 12:25:21 PM
Orange Shitler Cheeto-Jesus Hair Fuhrer Mango Mussolini poopchute Ronald McDump.U2
/sg3
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2017, 12:42:20 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2017, 12:44:26 PM
Fuckface Von Clownstick
the gift that keeps on giving. #TrumpTwitter
Post by: bojanglesman on March 15, 2017, 12:57:02 PM
U2(http://www.therooster.com/sites/default/files/userfiles/images/tumblr_mg4vrv6ZZP1qd3f7ao1_500.jpg)
Post by: IATA on March 15, 2017, 12:58:03 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2017, 01:16:34 PM
Post by: Tommy on March 15, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
of course trumps team leaked this, its the god damned client copy ffs. they leaked the only year he played by the rules it in the process managed to make maddow and msnbc look like fools. he was probly hoping NYT, WP, or CNN would have bough them, but MSNBC is good enough
Nice conspiracy theory. All this does is prove that bullshit story months ago that Trump losing nearly a billion in the mid-90s could've been written off for decades allowing him to pay no federal taxes. Clearly that was wrong. And if he didn't "play by the rules" then he would've gotten audited and likely be put in jail. When you're that wealthy and paying that much in federal taxes, you're going to be under intense scrutiny by the IRS. It's not like you claiming $4k to charities or $500 for "work publications" that we itemize to get the best return.
Post by: ons on March 15, 2017, 02:16:00 PM
Nice conspiracy theory. All this does is prove that bullshit story months ago that Trump losing nearly a billion in the mid-90s could've been written off for decades allowing him to pay no federal taxes.
It does indeed prove his 1995 write off didn't last for over ten years - the other thing that it proves is that the bulk of his income tax in 2005 would not have to have been paid if he had his way and abolished the alternative minimum tax.
Almost no interesting information from the tax return, an individual 1040 just doesn't mean too much without any context.
Post by: Tommy on March 15, 2017, 02:19:25 PM
It does indeed prove his 1995 write off didn't last for over ten years - the other thing that it proves is that the bulk of his income tax in 2005 would not have to have been paid if he had his way and abolished the alternative minimum tax.
Almost no interesting information from the tax return, an individual 1040 just doesn't mean too much without any context.
As long as people shut up about him "not paying any taxes", then it's all good.
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2017, 02:24:02 PM
As long as people shut up about him "not paying any taxes", then it's all good.
No one is going to shut up about it until he stops telling lies about why he won't produce his returns, and makes them available.
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2017, 03:12:49 PM
So if he paid his taxes, does that mean he's stupid?
Post by: Fenwyr on March 15, 2017, 04:17:55 PM
As long as people shut up about him "not paying any taxes", then it's all good.The first 2 pages of a 200 page return from 12 years ago doesn't really tell us anything.
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Post by: MBGreen on March 15, 2017, 04:35:20 PM
GFYyou still sound like Alfalfa
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2017, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: Tommy on March 15, 2017, 06:51:29 PM
I thought if he didn't pay taxes that made him smart.
So if he paid his taxes, does that mean he's stupid?
Think he had about $17 million in tax deductions.
Post by: Tommy on March 15, 2017, 06:53:19 PM
The first 2 pages of a 200 page return from 12 years ago doesn't really tell us anything.
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You fully embraced the "Trump hasn't paid taxes in 20 years" bullshit, so at the very least this proves that he did pay taxes.
Post by: Johnny English on March 15, 2017, 07:37:29 PM
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2017, 08:11:01 PM
Think he had about $17 million in tax deductions.
So he's half-stupid?
Post by: Miamipuck on March 15, 2017, 09:08:51 PM
GFY
U2
Commackpuck thanks you for this post.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 16, 2017, 10:13:52 AM
You fully embraced the "Trump hasn't paid taxes in 20 years" bullshit, so at the very least this proves that he did pay taxes.No. I was in the 'he uses every possible loophole to avoid taxes' camp. Can't blame anybody for doing that since it's legal. But he campaigned on eliminating the very loopholes he used.
If his latest move goes through he would have paid 7 million in 2005. Well played. When he is out of government in 2021, based only on his 2005 returns, he will be keeping an extra 31 million a year.
Are there still questions as to why he ran for president?
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Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2017, 10:37:05 AM
No. I was in the 'he uses every possible loophole to avoid taxes' camp. Can't blame anybody for doing that since it's legal. But he campaigned on eliminating the very loopholes he used.
If his latest move goes through he would have paid 7 million in 2005. Well played. When he is out of government in 2021, based only on his 2005 returns, he will be keeping an extra 31 million a year.
Are there still questions as to why he ran for president?
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Guys a multi billionaire
If you think he ran for president to make money you're crazy.
Guy would be far richer expanding his empire than being president. Obviously he has lots of power to get richer as president, but he would get absolutely eviscerated if he did anything out of sorts
Post by: Fenwyr on March 16, 2017, 12:00:24 PM
Guys a multi billionairePretty much everything in this post is wrong.
If you think he ran for president to make money you're crazy.
Guy would be far richer expanding his empire than being president. Obviously he has lots of power to get richer as president, but he would get absolutely eviscerated if he did anything out of sorts
Watched American Psycho again the other night.
The 80's mentality that Trump's entire psychosis is built upon... Ego and Greed.
Ego is happy. He's the damn president.
Now comes the Greed. He has started to, and will continue to, destroy any regulations that will stop him from being as wealthy as possible. The AHCA is the largest money transfer to the top 1% in all of history. Defunding the EPA by 35% will mean trillions to big oil. His son in law and chief advisor is about to get 400 million from the Chinese government. He is trying to change the tax code so the ultra wealthy can pay 75% less in taxes.
Anything out of sorts? What the hell has he and his administration done in the last 2 months that hasn't been out of sorts?
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Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2017, 12:07:43 PM
Guys a multi billionaire
If you think he ran for president to make money you're crazy.
Guy would be far richer expanding his empire than being president. Obviously he has lots of power to get richer as president, but he would get absolutely eviscerated if he did anything out of sorts
No. He went from paying these people to try to influence them to maximize his profit potential . Now he gets to tug on the puppet strings .
Like he's not in his sons ears to make the moves he wants on his prior obligations . He has enough time to watch snoop Dogg music videos , I'm sure he makes time for stuff that's actually important to his pockets
Post by: Coach K on March 16, 2017, 12:08:23 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170315/143f996ba526924ae3b373eb1cf801e8.jpg)
He looks like a dinosaur
Post by: Tommy on March 16, 2017, 02:51:36 PM
Pretty much everything in this post is wrong.
Watched American Psycho again the other night.
The 80's mentality that Trump's entire psychosis is built upon... Ego and Greed.
Ego is happy. He's the damn president.
Now comes the Greed. He has started to, and will continue to, destroy any regulations that will stop him from being as wealthy as possible. The AHCA is the largest money transfer to the top 1% in all of history. Defunding the EPA by 35% will mean trillions to big oil. His son in law and chief advisor is about to get 400 million from the Chinese government. He is trying to change the tax code so the ultra wealthy can pay 75% less in taxes.
Anything out of sorts? What the hell has he and his administration done in the last 2 months that hasn't been out of sorts?
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You really gotta stop with this bullshit. Rich people only run for office to further their own financial interests? Seriously now.
Post by: sg3 on March 16, 2017, 03:04:08 PM
You really gotta stop with this bullshit. Rich people only run for office to further their own financial interests? Seriously now.You really gotta stop with this bullshit. You constantly arriving with your head attached squarely into Orange Hitler's sphincter is becoming more laughable with every massive screwup by this clown
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2017, 03:06:08 PM
You really gotta stop with this bullshit. Rich people only run for office to further their own financial interests? Seriously now.
it's not out of the realm of possibility, Tommy. Especially when it comes to a money-hungry egomaniac like Trump.
Post by: Tommy on March 16, 2017, 03:11:12 PM
it's not out of the realm of possibility, Tommy. Especially when it comes to a money-hungry egomaniac like Trump.
The vast majority of his wealth comes from his properties. Suggesting that he's going to go through all that, spend millions on campaigning, just to save a few percentage points on his federal income tax payments is a ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2017, 03:17:15 PM
I don't believe he ran specifically for the ability to change the tax code or to increase the viability of his special interests. That's icing-on-the-cake.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2017, 03:26:16 PM
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2017, 03:30:10 PM
Is there a point to this thread anymore?
not really
Post by: bojanglesman on March 16, 2017, 03:35:57 PM
not really
I don't think anyone in here is going to change their opinion on him either way. It's either a excrement-throwing festival or the world's worst group intervention for Tommy.
Post by: MBGreen on March 16, 2017, 03:38:30 PM
I don't think anyone in here is going to change their opinion on him either way. It's either a excrement-throwing festival or the world's worst group intervention for Tommy.
I thought I was the only one that noticed.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2017, 03:39:15 PM
I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!
Where are your freaking quotation marks now, you lying shitstain?
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2017, 04:47:57 PM
This entire administration is completely freaking unhinged.
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2017, 05:01:34 PM
Is there a point to this thread anymore?excrement-throwing festival
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2017, 06:43:44 PM
it's not out of the realm of possibility, Tommy. Especially when it comes to a money-hungry egomaniac like Trump.
Ignorant, egomaniac, whose probably a bit racist too sure. But the thought that he became president to become even richer is absurd. Power and ego trip absolutely 100%, but the rest is just silly crazy conspiracy theory nonsense.
Hell i think it's more likely that he became president simply because he could, and he only ran for sensationalism and self publicizing
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2017, 06:46:53 PM
Ignorant, egomaniac, whose probably a bit racist too sure. But the thought that he became president to become even richer is absurd. Power and ego trip absolutely 100%, but the rest is just silly crazy conspiracy theory nonsense.
Hell i think it's more likely that he became president simply because he could, and he only ran for sensationalism and self publicizing
I agree. I think it's purely a massive ego trip. He clearly has absolutely zero interest in public service and there are better ways of making money.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 16, 2017, 07:50:54 PM
I agree. I think it's purely a massive ego trip. He clearly has absolutely zero interest in public service and there are better ways of making money.
i agree with the lack of public service thing as well. Trumps running the country like a big business/CEO. Which could actually do some good things (as well as neglect others)
Post by: Fenwyr on March 17, 2017, 09:26:50 AM
You really gotta stop with this bullshit. Rich people only run for office to further their own financial interests? Seriously now.Whether it was greed or ego, tell me one thing that was inaccurate with my post. You won't of course, just like when I asked you to admit to any 1 of the 50+ lies he made in his address to congress.
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Post by: Tommy on March 17, 2017, 09:38:55 AM
Whether it was greed or ego, tell me one thing that was inaccurate with my post. You won't of course, just like when I asked you to admit to any 1 of the 50+ lies he made in his address to congress.
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Your post is all conjecture. Just like "Bush invaded Iraq to help his friends at Halliburton". It's bullshit, and you're so far lost in your hatred of Trump that you're willing to go to great lengths to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories. People who think that way often fail at life, too. I sure hope you don't apply the same bullshit thinking towards your own life.
Post by: ons on March 17, 2017, 09:51:04 AM
Your post is all conjecture. Just like "Bush invaded Iraq to help his friends at Halliburton". It's bullshit, and you're so far lost in your hatred of Trump that you're willing to go to great lengths to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories. People who think that way often fail at life, too. I sure hope you don't apply the same bullshit thinking towards your own life.
Conjecture? Like Obama is hiding his birth certificate because he might be a secret Muslim. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqaS9OCoTZs)
You accuse other people of treating Trump in the way that Trump actually treated (and continues to treat) Obama.
Post by: Tommy on March 17, 2017, 09:55:33 AM
Conjecture? Like Obama is hiding his birth certificate because he might be a secret Muslim. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqaS9OCoTZs)
You accuse other people of treating Trump in the way that Trump actually treated (and continues to treat) Obama.
I'm not excusing his birth certificate conspiracy thing. I also don't think it was motivated because Trump wanted to prove that he was "secretly a Muslim", only that he believed there was no proof he was actually born in the U.S. Again, you guys are doing the same thing that many on the far-right did to Obama during his term, and the left did during Bush's term, etc, etc.
Post by: ons on March 17, 2017, 09:59:33 AM
I'm not excusing his birth certificate conspiracy thing. I also don't think it was motivated because Trump wanted to prove that he was "secretly a Muslim", only that he believed there was no proof he was actually born in the U.S. Again, you guys are doing the same thing that many on the far-right did to Obama during his term, and the left did during Bush's term, etc, etc.
"He doesn't have a birth certificate, or if he does, there's something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me that where it says 'religion,' it might have 'Muslim.' And if you're a Muslim, you don't change your religion, by the way."
Calling Trump out for his birther conspiracy excrement is as bad as actually being a birther conspiracy theorist? Okay.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2017, 10:01:28 AM
Post by: sg3 on March 17, 2017, 10:22:00 AM
Tommyanne will defend it and support it til death do he part
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2017, 11:59:03 AM
Becoming patently clear that nothing Trump does, no matter how hideous..like laying a wreath on Jefferson Davis' statue and calling him a great President or quoting his favorite Irish proverb to the Pres of Ireland even tho written by a Nigerian...or the really worse stuff like his budget, bans on religion and turning the Fed budget into a funding source of his companyDid you hear what he did to Ivanka?
Tommyanne will defend it and support it til death do he part
Post by: sg3 on March 17, 2017, 12:14:48 PM
Did you hear what he did to Ivanka?Tommyanne or Pops Cheeto?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2017, 12:44:11 PM
Did you hear what he did to Ivanka?It was a shocker when I heard.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 17, 2017, 01:12:53 PM
Your post is all conjecture. Just like "Bush invaded Iraq to help his friends at Halliburton". It's bullshit, and you're so far lost in your hatred of Trump that you're willing to go to great lengths to come up with ridiculous conspiracy theories. People who think that way often fail at life, too. I sure hope you don't apply the same bullshit thinking towards your own life.A block of nonsense and excrement throwing rather articulate debate.
Let's just pick one point from my original post.
Part of Trump's plan would include eliminating the AMT. Based on his 2005 tax returns, that alone would have saved him 31 million dollars, or about 75% of the taxes he paid.
Of course that is messed up in general, but do you honestly believe Trump is not in the slightest bit personally motivated in such a move?
You can say no, and we can agree to disagree. Keep your poop in your pants.
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Post by: NDMick on March 17, 2017, 02:11:42 PM
Tommyanne will defend it and support it til death do he partIt's like a Jets fan who thinks Geno Smith could still be a viable starting QB.
Post by: Tommy on March 17, 2017, 02:20:26 PM
A block of nonsense and excrement throwing rather articulate debate.
Let's just pick one point from my original post.
Part of Trump's plan would include eliminating the AMT. Based on his 2005 tax returns, that alone would have saved him 31 million dollars, or about 75% of the taxes he paid.
Of course that is messed up in general, but do you honestly believe Trump is not in the slightest bit personally motivated in such a move?
You can say no, and we can agree to disagree. Keep your poop in your pants.
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You must make excrement money to not be affected by the AMT. The AMT was originally designed for the ultra rich, but most of the people who it affects now are middle to upper middle class earners. And, again, his federal income is a drop in the bucket to his overall wealth, so even removing the AMT tax, there is still a limit to how much you can deduct, and it's not like he'll be able to deduct enough to not pay ANY taxes, as you may think. You're just abiding about this fallacy that the rich aren't paying "their fair share" even though they do. Trump paid $38 million in federal taxes in 2005 which is more than you would pay in 500 lifetimes.
For the record I'm 100% for a flat tax rate and no deductions for anyone making above what we determine to be a basic minimum living wage. I'm fundamentally against taxing the rich and redistributing it to the not-so-wealthy and funding social programs, and instead making obtaining wealth more accessible to people.
Post by: sg3 on March 17, 2017, 02:53:30 PM
It's like a Jets fan who thinks Geno Smith could still be a viable starting QB.Geno Who??
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2017, 03:05:10 PM
Geno Who??
Don't post here again today. Nothing you post will be better than this.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 17, 2017, 03:08:44 PM
Don't post here again today. Nothing you post will be better than this.
His avatar is perfect.
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2017, 03:33:45 PM
It's like a Jets fan who thinks Geno Smith could still be a viable starting QB."I'd like to see Trump with a good supporting cast."
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2017, 05:13:48 PM
Trump's weekly golf vacations are apparently more important than poor elderly people eating.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 17, 2017, 05:31:47 PM
You must make excrement money to not be affected by the AMT. The AMT was originally designed for the ultra rich, but most of the people who it affects now are middle to upper middle class earners. And, again, his federal income is a drop in the bucket to his overall wealth, so even removing the AMT tax, there is still a limit to how much you can deduct, and it's not like he'll be able to deduct enough to not pay ANY taxes, as you may think. You're just abiding about this fallacy that the rich aren't paying "their fair share" even though they do. Trump paid $38 million in federal taxes in 2005 which is more than you would pay in 500 lifetimes.At least you tried without calling me names. You provided a block of text of unrelated stuff that I was already well aware of. You still didnt answer the question.
For the record I'm 100% for a flat tax rate and no deductions for anyone making above what we determine to be a basic minimum living wage. I'm fundamentally against taxing the rich and redistributing it to the not-so-wealthy and funding social programs, and instead making obtaining wealth more accessible to people.
If the tax policy Trump has put forward existed in 2005, he would have paid 7 million instead of 38 million in taxes.
Do you believe that he is making this policy with no self interest.
Yes or no answer.
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 17, 2017, 05:35:27 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-budget-cuts-mar-a-lago-nea-arts-poor-elderly-meals-on-wheels-florida-weekends-us-a7634551.htmlIf he keeps going there every weekend like he has so far, it's costing taxpayers 156 million a year.
Trump's weekly golf vacations are apparently more important than poor elderly people eating.
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 17, 2017, 05:36:48 PM
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 17, 2017, 05:47:23 PM
If Obama wasn't in freak it mode right now, he could sue for liable.
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Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2017, 05:50:30 PM
Also Tommy, are you cool that Trump lied about his golden tower being wire tapped. Have a little song and dance for that too?
If Obama wasn't in freak it mode right now, he could sue for liable.
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I suspect that he was half right. He's just too dumb and too arrogant to realise that it wasn't him who was being tapped, it was the people he was talking to. Y'know, the ones he and his camp claim they weren't talking to.
Post by: Johnny English on March 17, 2017, 06:26:37 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/white-house-newsletter-parody-lampooning-cruel-budget-64ce43a341ff#.s2mnp7h8s
Seriously, America. It's freaking funny, but you should probably stop before one of them takes it too far and declares nuclear war with North Korea or something.
Post by: insanity on March 17, 2017, 07:48:22 PM
"I'd like to see Trump with a good supporting cast."
Please take my money
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2017, 11:33:02 PM
Quote
NASHVILLE — Soon after Charla McComic’s son lost his job, his health-insurance premium dropped from $567 per month to just $88, a “blessing from God” that she believes was made possible by President Trump.
“I think it was just because of the tax credit,” said McComic, 52, a former first-grade teacher who traveled to Trump’s Wednesday night rally in Nashville from Lexington, Tenn., with her daughter, mother, aunt and cousin.
The price change was actually thanks to a subsidy made possible by former president Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act, which is still in place, not by the tax credits proposed by Republicans as part of the health-care bill still being considered by Congress.
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2017, 11:55:31 PM
https://www.propublica.org/article/preet-bharara-fired-investigating-tom-price-hhs-stock-trading
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2017, 12:29:37 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 18, 2017, 10:16:54 AM
I suspect that he was half right. He's just too dumb and too arrogant to realise that it wasn't him who was being tapped, it was the people he was talking to. Y'know, the ones he and his camp claim they weren't talking to.Unless a bombshell drops in the next few days, nope. He got his info from an alt-right nutjob radio guy.
Day before yesterday, everyone, right left or neutral, came out and said there was nothing.
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 18, 2017, 10:26:24 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170318/2ed82a8a1eed0accbaadfcd674c63b33.jpg)Saw a long interview with him. I don't agree with alot of what he says, and I have no idea why he associates with the freedom caucus, but he has some good ideas.
He doesn't seem to hate medicaid. And he is all for an umbrella plan that could cover the uninsured that all insurance companies can fight over.
That would be the Public Option, Rand.
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Post by: d sw0rdz on March 18, 2017, 05:18:22 PM
Under @POTUS budget, virtually all fed funding to #NYPD eradicated. Entire counterterrorism apparatus in nation's top terror target hobbled.
so if an attack does occur, would be used to justify his policies
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2017, 06:00:54 PM
Commissioner O'NeillVerified account @NYPDONeill
Under @POTUS budget, virtually all fed funding to #NYPD eradicated. Entire counterterrorism apparatus in nation's top terror target hobbled.
so if an attack does occur, would be used to justify his policies
It would be used to cripple him
Post by: Fenwyr on March 18, 2017, 06:09:38 PM
It would be used to cripple himHe's a 70 year old man that probably couldn't get it up if his dreams came true and Ivanka was straddling him.
Crippled, hobbled, dimentia. Take your pick.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2017, 07:16:19 AM
He's a 70 year old man that probably couldn't get it up if his dreams came true and Ivanka was straddling him.
Crippled, hobbled, dimentia. Take your pick.
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Lol bro Hillary couldn't stand up for more than 20 minutes at a time
Post by: sg3 on March 19, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Lol bro Hillary couldn't stand up for more than 20 minutes at a timeDid you see the pics of the fat Orange Poopchute being helped up and down 4 stairs or even worse, stumbling around golf courses
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2017, 10:49:31 AM
The Trump administration is the best comedy show there is right now.
https://thinkprogress.org/white-house-newsletter-parody-lampooning-cruel-budget-64ce43a341ff#.s2mnp7h8s
Seriously, America. It's freaking funny, but you should probably stop before one of them takes it too far and declares nuclear war with North Korea or something.
That link...why don't you insist on putting up a big neon sign that says DON'T TAKE MY OPINION SERIOUSLY BECAUSE I READ GARBAGE.
Did you see the pics of the fat Orange Poopchute being helped up and down 4 stairs or even worse, stumbling around golf courses
You mean like EVERY PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM?
Bro Hillary couldn't even withstand a campaign. They were dragging her unconscious snatch all over the place. Imagine seeing her now on the world stage? Yikes. I mean, she's only just now emerging from wallowing in her own self-pity! Hahahahahaha.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 19, 2017, 10:56:25 AM
Lol bro Hillary couldn't stand up for more than 20 minutes at a time
so what? why is it necessary to bring her up or criticize someone else anytime somebody rightfully brings up one of trump's many inadequacies?
deflection seems to be a common tactic used by many any time trump is criticized
EDIT: wow yeah, see post above
Post by: MBGreen on March 19, 2017, 11:42:38 AM
Post by: sg3 on March 19, 2017, 11:50:41 AM
so what? why is it necessary to bring her up or criticize someone else anytime somebody rightfully brings up one of trump's many inadequacies?I guess if Secy Clinton got rightfully sworn in, nominated a Cabinet of hacks, losers, Nazis and douches and then completely f' d things up everyday for nearly 60 and cost us millions every day to protect her family and for weekly golf outings.....Sane Amerlcans would be defensive in the face of her impeachment and jailing too
deflection seems to be a common tactic used by many any time trump is criticized
EDIT: wow yeah, see post above
Post by: Fenwyr on March 19, 2017, 12:36:54 PM
Lol bro Hillary couldn't stand up for more than 20 minutes at a timeWhat does this have to do with Hillary?
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Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2017, 01:13:48 PM
That link...why don't you insist on putting up a big neon sign that says DON'T TAKE MY OPINION SERIOUSLY BECAUSE I READ GARBAGE.
"I refuse to pay any attention to these facts because I don't like who's reporting them."
Maybe you're a bigger Trump fan than you claim.
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2017, 05:13:16 PM
Irrelevant to his policies of course.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 20, 2017, 02:27:08 AM
I didn't vote for lol bro Hillary and Trump is still a decrepit piece of excrement.
Miamipuck thanks you for this post.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 20, 2017, 09:29:44 AM
"I refuse to pay any attention to these facts because I don't like who's reporting them."
Maybe you're a bigger Trump fan than you claim.
When the source has repeatedly taken "facts" and warped them to fit their own narrative, yeah, they can be written off as pieces of excrement. You'd do the same to Breitbart. If you don't think they're on the same level,you're deluding yourself.
excrement, I literally just looked at Judd Legums twitter, only to find him using a quote to push forward his narrative that healthcare is a universal right, while completely ignoring a quote that the idiot himself LEAVES FOR ALL TO SEE, that directly places the material he's using in a totally different context then in which the way he's presenting it.
That's to say nothing of the just absolute douchebaggery and nonsense spouted out by Millhiser every time he decides to weigh in on a topic.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 20, 2017, 10:48:01 AM
When the source has repeatedly taken "facts" and warped them to fit their own narrative, yeah, they can be written off as pieces of excrement. You'd do the same to Breitbart. If you don't think they're on the same level,you're deluding yourself.Dude, please. There are some progressive leaning sites, but even they try to provide facts.
excrement, I literally just looked at Judd Legums twitter, only to find him using a quote to push forward his narrative that healthcare is a universal right, while completely ignoring a quote that the idiot himself LEAVES FOR ALL TO SEE, that directly places the material he's using in a totally different context then in which the way he's presenting it.
That's to say nothing of the just absolute douchebaggery and nonsense spouted out by Millhiser every time he decides to weigh in on a topic.
Breitbart is the alt-right version of The Onion.
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 20, 2017, 10:52:53 AM
If your dumb derriere has the right to own a gun, I should have the right to health care when your kid accidentally shoots me.
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Post by: mj2sexay on March 20, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
Dude, please. There are some progressive leaning sites, but even they try to provide facts.
Breitbart is the alt-right version of The Onion.
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See?
You can pretend otherwise, but no. Salon and ThinkProg are no better or worse then Breitbart. I can at least acknowledge this when reading all three. Taking some sort of high ground, is like deluding yourself into thinking the moral high ground belonged on the left in a battle of Clinton vs. Trump when it was all excrement.
And yes, universal health care should be a right.
If your dumb derriere has the right to own a gun, I should have the right to health care when your kid accidentally shoots me.
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Ok, so I look forward to you going through specialized schooling for over half a decade, incurring all of the debt and sweat equity that comes with it, only for a bunch of know-nothings to tell you your services must be compelled because everyone has a right to them.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2017, 03:05:54 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 20, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
See?They are all dumpster fires on either extreme, but is you want to find a shred of truth, the left wins.
You can pretend otherwise, but no. Salon and ThinkProg are no better or worse then Breitbart. I can at least acknowledge this when reading all three. Taking some sort of high ground, is like deluding yourself into thinking the moral high ground belonged on the left in a battle of Clinton vs. Trump when it was all excrement.
Ok, so I look forward to you going through specialized schooling for over half a decade, incurring all of the debt and sweat equity that comes with it, only for a bunch of know-nothings to tell you your services must be compelled because everyone has a right to them.
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 20, 2017, 03:35:05 PM
Lol bro Hillary would have run a better campaign than HillaryDay drinking?
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Post by: d sw0rdz on March 20, 2017, 09:13:53 PM
Ok, so I look forward to you going through specialized schooling for over half a decade, incurring all of the debt and sweat equity that comes with it, only for a bunch of know-nothings to tell you your services must be compelled because everyone has a right to them.
my fvcking god, what in heavens name are you talking about? the very reason those people go through that schooling and incur those debts is to be able to actually fvcking treat people when it's all said and done, they won't have a problem with people feeling obligated to receive healthcare, seeing how treating people is the ultimate end goal of all of their fvcking endeavors
just today, today an attending with over 30 years of experience was speaking to my entire class about the possible ramifications should the AHCA pass, and how many more millions would be left uninsured and unable to receive treatment in just several years time because of it, urging us to get our voices involved, as we are ultimately the biggest/only advocates for our patients and it is our job to make sure people receive the treatment they need to receive
get a freaking hold of yourself
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 20, 2017, 09:18:00 PM
this thread is fvcking shambolic
Post by: Miamipuck on March 20, 2017, 09:23:06 PM
this thread is fvcking shambolic
It actually took you 1577 posts to come to that conclusion?
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2017, 10:38:51 PM
greatest tweet thread ever
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 20, 2017, 11:14:53 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 21, 2017, 09:12:30 AM
my fvcking god, what in heavens name are you talking about? the very reason those people go through that schooling and incur those debts is to be able to actually fvcking treat people when it's all said and done, they won't have a problem with people feeling obligated to receive healthcare, seeing how treating people is the ultimate end goal of all of their fvcking endeavors
just today, today an attending with over 30 years of experience was speaking to my entire class about the possible ramifications should the AHCA pass, and how many more millions would be left uninsured and unable to receive treatment in just several years time because of it, urging us to get our voices involved, as we are ultimately the biggest/only advocates for our patients and it is our job to make sure people receive the treatment they need to receive
get a freaking hold of yourself
Yeah, doctors don't enter the business of medicine to make money. Ahahaha. Ahahahahaha. AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
there is nothing better than somebody claiming that others try to claim some sort of moral high ground when that same person literally takes salon or thinkprog to be on the same level as filth like breitbart, purely to be able to claim objectivity
this thread is fvcking shambolic
Quoted for hilariousness.
Amazingly enough, you're the one that brought up Salon, but they're actually worse. Or are you actually going to compare say Milo to Todd Nickerson? Get a freaking clue.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 21, 2017, 09:16:58 AM
That whole doctors go into crazy debt for their education problem could be solved with "free" college, but the opposition to that just shouts gender studies! As a counter argument.
This argument would be all well and good if countries that employ such a scheme weren't in a drastic shortage of medical professionals as well as other specialized professions like engineers.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 21, 2017, 10:35:08 AM
This argument would be all well and good if countries that employ such a scheme weren't in a drastic shortage of medical professionals as well as other specialized professions like engineers.Please name the countries and note your sources, because as written, your statement utterly false.
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Post by: Badger on March 21, 2017, 10:44:01 AM
https://twitter.com/spookperson/status/842135767363203072Hahahaha
greatest tweet thread ever
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2017, 10:50:34 AM
Please name the countries and note your sources, because as written, your statement utterly false.Cuba forces all doctors to earn a state funded gender studies degree and then pays them in platanos.
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Post by: ons on March 21, 2017, 11:01:06 AM
Please name the countries and note your sources, because as written, your statement utterly false.
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Most Northern European countries have significantly more doctors per capita than the US. http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?QueryId=74634
And significantly more medical school graduates. http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?QueryId=74639
The US, with its more capitalist health care system, somehow ends up with among the fewest general healthcare professionals per capita than other developed countries.
This issue is compounded by the fact that the US tends to be more rural than Europe, and doctors in the US tend to be oversaturated in urban areas.
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2017, 11:40:25 AM
Most Northern European countries have significantly more doctors per capita than the US. http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?QueryId=74634Fake news
And significantly more medical school graduates. http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?QueryId=74639
The US, with its more capitalist health care system, somehow ends up with among the fewest general healthcare professionals per capita than other developed countries.
This issue is compounded by the fact that the US tends to be more rural than Europe, and doctors in the US tend to be oversaturated in urban areas.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2017, 11:50:38 AM
http://www.bigfloppybolognatits.com/jobsreport
Post by: Tommy on March 21, 2017, 12:07:35 PM
Most Northern European countries have significantly more doctors per capita than the US. http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?QueryId=74634
And significantly more medical school graduates. http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?QueryId=74639
The US, with its more capitalist health care system, somehow ends up with among the fewest general healthcare professionals per capita than other developed countries.
This issue is compounded by the fact that the US tends to be more rural than Europe, and doctors in the US tend to be oversaturated in urban areas.
I like a good analysis. I took a closer look at those statistics and definitions, and may have an answer as to why the numbers seem so skewed to you, and why you may think it's a bad thing on the surface.
That site defines Healthcare Professionals as those who have direct contact with patients, and excludes medical researchers. Given the low number of medical graduates per 100k people compared with other countries, the U.S generates the most medical research than all countries combined (in terms of research papers, etc). It's nice that Austria has 5 doctors per 1,000 of their citizens, but our medical students are at least producing some great research that will eventually cure all sorts of diseases.
Post by: Tommy on March 21, 2017, 12:07:54 PM
You guys dont know anything about healthcare. It's obvious that neither money nor doctors are the problem. Here's a reliable source with quotes from experts.
http://www.bigfloppybolognatits.com/jobsreport
I clicked. I'm not a smart man.
Post by: ons on March 21, 2017, 12:19:20 PM
I like a good analysis. I took a closer look at those statistics and definitions, and may have an answer as to why the numbers seem so skewed to you, and why you may think it's a bad thing on the surface.
That site defines Healthcare Professionals as those who have direct contact with patients, and excludes medical researchers. Given the low number of medical graduates per 100k people compared with other countries, the U.S generates the most medical research than all countries combined (in terms of research papers, etc). It's nice that Austria has 5 doctors per 1,000 of their citizens, but our medical students are at least producing some great research that will eventually cure all sorts of diseases.
Interestingly, while the US is still at the forefront of medical research in the world, it seems like the rest of the world is doing a lot of catching up.
The US is also more focused on high-profit-margin drug development than long-term development of new medicines.
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"a decade of unprecedented growth in research activity has been followed by a decade of steady decline which now leaves open the possibility that other nations could assume global leadership given their increasing investment in biomedical research.”
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Research funding, particularly by the private sector, has also shifted to later stages development and away from basic science. Guided primarily by the desire to realize short-term economic benefits, the share of spending by pharmaceutical, biotechnology, and medical device companies on phase 3 clinical trials – large studies in people that often represent the final step before regulatory approval – grew by 36 percent between 2004 and 2012. Industry spending is also now the largest component of U.S. medical R&D, increasing from 46 percent in 2004 to 58 percent in 2012.
The move away from investing in early stage research has significant long-term implications, according to the authors. They point out that new knowledge often takes from 15 to 25 years to move from the discovery made in the lab to its clinical application in people. With the private sector moving more resources to late-stage research, this leaves the shrinking resources provide by the federal government and often very small companies as the primary sources of funding for early-stage, high-risk research.
Medical research has become an increasingly global endeavor and investments by other countries, particularly in Asia, are eroding U.S. leadership. In 2004, U.S. medical R&D spending represented 57 percent of the global total. By 2014, the U.S. share had fallen to 44 percent with Asia – led by China, Japan, South Korea, India, and Singapore – rapidly making up ground and increasing investment by 9.4 percent per year. If current trends continue, the U.S. will be overtaken by China as the global leader in medical R&D in the next ten years. China has already surpassed the U.S. in terms of the size of its science and technology workforce and global share of patents for medical technologies, and is closing the gap in published biomedical research articles.
The authors point to the low levels of research funding in the field of health services as area in particular need of remedy. Health services – which study topics such as access to care, cost, quality of care, and efforts to promote well-being – represent only 0.3 percent of U.S. research expenditures.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/4233/u.s.-slipping-as-global-leader-in-medical-research.aspx
Post by: Tommy on March 21, 2017, 12:23:53 PM
Interestingly, while the US is still at the forefront of medical research in the world, it seems like the rest of the world is doing a lot of catching up.
The US is also more focused on high-profit-margin drug development than long-term development of new medicines.
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/4233/u.s.-slipping-as-global-leader-in-medical-research.aspx
Fair point, but I don't see how that's a bad thing. Emerging economies contributing to medical research is fantastic, and lightens our load and burden. I don't care who eventually develops a cure for cancer, as long as it gets done. This is all mostly done with private dollars, too. Someone has to profit, otherwise where's the incentive to keep re-investing into medical research?
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2017, 12:54:43 PM
I clicked. I'm not a smart man.Did it actually go to a site?
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2017, 12:57:25 PM
*puts on MAGA hat*
Post by: ons on March 21, 2017, 01:00:11 PM
Fair point, but I don't see how that's a bad thing.
It's a great thing - and ought to signal that the United States need not be fearful that doctors 'coerced' into providing universal healthcare means no more doctors or medical research.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 21, 2017, 08:58:35 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/03/20/trump-will-propose-1-9-percent-raise-for-federal-workers/
*puts on MAGA hat*
According to the article all the unions and federal employees did when given a proposed 1.9% raise was bithc and whine that it wasnt high enough blah blah blah
Maybe Trump should bump it up to 5% and eliminate all federal pensions.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 21, 2017, 09:06:42 PM
According to the article all the unions and federal employees did when given a proposed 1.9% raise was bithc and whine that it wasnt high enough blah blah blah
Maybe Trump should bump it up to 5% and eliminate all federal pensions.
I know you would never bitch and moan if your boss said DCM I am giving you a raise here's 1.6% extra. You would take it happily like you would his rooster.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 21, 2017, 09:08:56 PM
I know you would never bitch and moan if your boss said DCM I am giving you a raise here's 1.6% extra. You would take it happily like you would his rooster.Could be "her" rooster. Sexist pig.
Post by: Tommy on March 21, 2017, 09:57:51 PM
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2017, 10:05:16 PM
According to the article all the unions and federal employees did when given a proposed 1.9% raise was bithc and whine that it wasnt high enough blah blah blah
Maybe Trump should bump it up to 5% and eliminate all federal pensions.
Throw in single payer and you've got yourself a deal.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 21, 2017, 10:09:50 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 21, 2017, 10:12:53 PM
Throw in single payer and you've got yourself a deal.
Wouldn't that be worse than the healthcare federal employees already get?
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2017, 10:30:02 PM
Wouldn't that be worse than the healthcare federal employees already get?
No.
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 22, 2017, 09:46:18 AM
According to the article all the unions and federal employees did when given a proposed 1.9% raise was bithc and whine that it wasnt high enough blah blah blah
Maybe Trump should bump it up to 5% and eliminate all federal pensions.
It's literally the unions job to say it's not enough and try to get more. I also don't know many people who think they are being paid just the right amount and don't deserve more.
Post by: Tommy on March 22, 2017, 10:07:36 AM
It's literally the unions job to say it's not enough and try to get more. I also don't know many people who think they are being paid just the right amount and don't deserve more.
Pretty much. You pay union dues so that the union does everything humanly possible to get an increase or other benefits in the next contract. Literally their job. No Union would say "Oh 2%? That's cool, thanks." Federal and state unions don't have as much clout as others though, as proven when Reagan basically fired all those air traffic controllers who were told to strike.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 22, 2017, 04:47:46 PM
Yeah, doctors don't enter the business of medicine to make money. Ahahaha. Ahahahahaha. AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
money will always be a factor in any employment decision a person makes, doctors/medical students included, but this isn't the main reason a person goes into the medical field.
goes without saying that most doctors are intelligent, talented, multifaceted people who could go many different routes with their prospective career choices if they wanted to. if their main aim was to make money, there are plenty of other routes other than the medical field that take less time, have less of a burden on their life/youth, don't place them into crippling debt, and starts to earn them big bucks way before their mid to late 30s, which is when many if not most medical graduates end up finishing their residencies and/or fellowships, and start to make attending money. people decide to go down as shitty of a path as this because......they have a love for science and medicine that they want to use to help people because....they like helping people, and want to help people.
you are a fvcking clown.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 22, 2017, 05:07:47 PM
money will always be a factor in any employment decision a person makes, doctors/medical students included, but this isn't the main reason a person goes into the medical field.This was so beautifully put. Spot on.
goes without saying that most doctors are intelligent, talented, multifaceted people who could go many different routes with their prospective career choices if they wanted to. if their main aim was to make money, there are plenty of other routes other than the medical field that take less time, have less of a burden on their life/youth, don't place them into crippling debt, and starts to earn them big bucks way before their mid to late 30s, which is when many if not most medical graduates end up finishing their residencies and/or fellowships, and start to make attending money. people decide to go down as shitty of a path as this because......they have a love for science and medicine that they want to use to help people because....they like helping people, and want to help people.
you are a fvcking clown.
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Post by: mj2sexay on March 22, 2017, 07:25:51 PM
money will always be a factor in any employment decision a person makes, doctors/medical students included, but this isn't the main reason a person goes into the medical field.
goes without saying that most doctors are intelligent, talented, multifaceted people who could go many different routes with their prospective career choices if they wanted to. if their main aim was to make money, there are plenty of other routes other than the medical field that take less time, have less of a burden on their life/youth, don't place them into crippling debt, and starts to earn them big bucks way before their mid to late 30s, which is when many if not most medical graduates end up finishing their residencies and/or fellowships, and start to make attending money. people decide to go down as shitty of a path as this because......they have a love for science and medicine that they want to use to help people because....they like helping people, and want to help people.
you are a fvcking clown.
Plenty want to do both, but are then demonized by people like you and told that they're selfish for not wanting to give away the tools of their profession. Actually, to take it a step further, according to you these people should literally be forced by government compulsion to give their services no matter what the market dictates they're worth.
Your line of thinking will drive anyone who's halfway intelligent out of the profession.
Eat excrement.
I'm a clown? Lol. You're a hack with no actual sense as to how the real world works.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 22, 2017, 07:30:34 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 22, 2017, 07:54:07 PM
Plenty want to do both, but are then demonized by people like you and told that they're selfish for not wanting to give away the tools of their profession. Actually, to take it a step further, according to you these people should literally be forced by government compulsion to give their services no matter what the market dictates they're worth.The worst thing about ignorant twats is they dont even recognize they are ignorant twats. Yes, you are the drunk uncle at thanksgiving. You are the person we all pray will just fall asleep so intelligent people can eat pie, drink coffee, maybe play some cards.
Your line of thinking will drive anyone who's halfway intelligent out of the profession.
Eat excrement.
I'm a clown? Lol. You're a hack with no actual sense as to how the real world works.
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Post by: Fenwyr on March 22, 2017, 07:59:09 PM
He, and you didn't deserve it, provided you with like facts and stuff, and you still responded like drunk uncle.
WTF man?
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Post by: Badger on March 22, 2017, 08:11:39 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 22, 2017, 08:16:30 PM
>implying doctors in single payer countries don't still rake in cashOr even worse, there are doctors that become doctors, because they just want heal people.
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Post by: Miamipuck on March 22, 2017, 10:08:14 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on March 22, 2017, 10:36:57 PM
Do any of you guys really know a lot of Dr.s, it sounds like you're arguing after watching Chicago Med, ER or St Elsewhere? I am asking because I know quite a few and they're in the middle of what you're all describing. Most aren't talented business people, they're really book smart guys that applied themselves in school. They have the common sense of my tv controller and go about their jobs like any of us do.Quite a few. Also know quite a few lawyers. Most of the doctors are in it for helping people. They volunteer like crazy. All the lawyers I know either do a ton of pro bono work, or spend half their day as public defenders.
Could just be the crowd I roll with I guess.
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Post by: AlioTheFool on March 23, 2017, 11:57:19 AM
The idea that doctors would be conducting their practice for free in some communist utopia in exchange for a really nice smile under a national healthcare system is the argument being disputed, and rightfully so.
Post by: Johnny English on March 23, 2017, 12:06:34 PM
There's nothing wrong with being middle-of-the-roaders. Hell, I'd say most of us are. We all want to make as much money as we can, anyone who says otherwise is lying or independently wealthy and a tad senile. That doesn't preclude having a humanistic desire to actually help people as well.
The idea that doctors would be conducting their practice for free in some communist utopia in exchange for a really nice smile under a national healthcare system is the argument being disputed, and rightfully so.
I think there's also a compelling rational argument for the self interest element in social concerns. Fen already alluded to the fact that easily accessible healthcare makes for more productive workers, but there are lots of other examples. A rising tide lifts all ships, and all that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 24, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Roberto Beristain, 43, has been in the custody of US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers since he was detained on Feb. 6 in Indianapolis, department spokeswoman Leticia Zamarripa told BuzzFeed News.
The Mexican national, who owns a steak restaurant in the Indiana town of Granger, arrived in the country in 1998 before being detained two years later and ordered to leave.
It was during his annual check-in with agents in Indianapolis in February that he was suddenly arrested, becoming one of hundreds of undocumented immigrants detained since President Trump took office.
“They came outside, knocked on the window,” Helen Beristain told Indiana Public Media earlier this month. “They said, ‘Are you Roberto’s wife?’ And, I said ‘Yes.’ And, they said, ‘Well, your husband is being detained because of a deportation [order] 16 and a half years ago.’ And, I said, ‘That’s a joke.’ And, they said, ‘No, it’s true.’”
Helen Beristain told Indiana Public Media she voted for President Trump believing that only “killers” and cartel members would be deported.
“We don’t want to have cartels here, you don’t want to have drugs in your high schools, you don’t want killers next to you,” she said. “You want to feel safe when you leave your house. I truly believe that. And, this is why I voted for Mr. Trump.”
“They’re distraught,” he said of the family, adding that they did not wish to speak to media on Thursday. “They have lost a husband, a father, a main breadwinner.”
Helen Beristain indicated to Indiana Public Media that she felt misled by the president’s plans.
“[Trump] did say the good people would not be deported, the good people would be checked,” Helen Beristain said."
Lol
Post by: reuben on March 24, 2017, 01:36:24 PM
The Mexican national, who owns a steak restaurant in the Indiana town of Granger,
Son of a bitch was killing us with cholesterol. #MAGA
Post by: sg3 on March 24, 2017, 02:47:18 PM
25 minutes before the Butthole's bill was going down to massive defeat
The FAT DUMB LOSER told Ryan to PULL THE VOTE
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 24, 2017, 04:02:50 PM
Post by: insanity on March 24, 2017, 04:10:04 PM
"Buzzfeed - A Mexican man who entered the United States illegally almost 20 years ago is set to be deported on Friday, amid an uptick in detentions by immigration agents emboldened by President Donald Trump — whom the man’s own wife voted for.
Roberto Beristain, 43, has been in the custody of US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers since he was detained on Feb. 6 in Indianapolis, department spokeswoman Leticia Zamarripa told BuzzFeed News.
The Mexican national, who owns a steak restaurant in the Indiana town of Granger, arrived in the country in 1998 before being detained two years later and ordered to leave.
It was during his annual check-in with agents in Indianapolis in February that he was suddenly arrested, becoming one of hundreds of undocumented immigrants detained since President Trump took office.
“They came outside, knocked on the window,” Helen Beristain told Indiana Public Media earlier this month. “They said, ‘Are you Roberto’s wife?’ And, I said ‘Yes.’ And, they said, ‘Well, your husband is being detained because of a deportation [order] 16 and a half years ago.’ And, I said, ‘That’s a joke.’ And, they said, ‘No, it’s true.’”
Helen Beristain told Indiana Public Media she voted for President Trump believing that only “killers” and cartel members would be deported.
“We don’t want to have cartels here, you don’t want to have drugs in your high schools, you don’t want killers next to you,” she said. “You want to feel safe when you leave your house. I truly believe that. And, this is why I voted for Mr. Trump.”
“They’re distraught,” he said of the family, adding that they did not wish to speak to media on Thursday. “They have lost a husband, a father, a main breadwinner.”
Helen Beristain indicated to Indiana Public Media that she felt misled by the president’s plans.
“[Trump] did say the good people would not be deported, the good people would be checked,” Helen Beristain said."
Lol
As sad as this is, this is what happens when you don't educate yourself on current events. She doesn't deserve this but you reap what you sow
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2017, 09:01:56 AM
The worst thing about ignorant twats is they dont even recognize they are ignorant twats. Yes, you are the drunk uncle at thanksgiving. You are the person we all pray will just fall asleep so intelligent people can eat pie, drink coffee, maybe play some cards.
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You're a deluded dumb freak who I've grown tired of entertaining. There were absolutely no facts in either his or yours idiocy just the same tired arguments for single payer. You're like a religious zealot, instead of God you place all your faith in big government, facts and logic be damned? I'm the drunk uncle, ok buddy.
Puck as far as knowing doctors, my father is a surgeon, and a former chief of urology at a major NY area hospital whereas these freaking idiots have absolutely no clue about what it takes to get ones MD. They just want the end result, the fruits of that labor so to speak. See but despite my dad working countless hours pro-bono, he'll still get a lecture from some dumb freak like Fen about "fair share" whatever the freak that means.
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 25, 2017, 09:11:42 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 25, 2017, 09:45:50 AM
Most of us just want a world where your dad doesn't need to work pro bono to help certain people. You act like it's some slight against human decency when every other developed country manages it.
No, instead of working pro bono he should be compelled by the government.
The truly amazing thing is, this is being framed as a moral issue, and those on the side of single payer are taking some sort of moral high ground. Yes, truly morally virtuous to advocate for a system that we had in this country, for people who truly deserve it, that was so fucked up and run incompetently that people were dying on wait lists because hacks were falsifying appointment records.
As far as the rest of the world managing it, perhaps eventually people will recognize that just having access doesn't mean having quality access. You're sentencing everyone, whether it be citizens or medical professionals to be at the whim of a federal government that has proven time and again they could freak up a cup of coffee, nevermind the intricacies that go into both ones personal medical decisions as well as the system itself.
Post by: Badger on March 25, 2017, 12:42:55 PM
Also, death panels.
Post by: Badger on March 25, 2017, 12:45:04 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 25, 2017, 01:17:09 PM
Our system isn't perfect, the rest of the civilized world doesn't have a perfect system either but theirs is closer to what is right than what we do. You talk about fen worshipping the govt like a religion when you do the same for "the market" like it hasn't been shown to have numerous issues itself.
Post by: Johnny English on March 25, 2017, 01:30:44 PM
If Canadian Drs as skilled as your dad were being forced to work for peanuts they would all have moved here and worked in our vastly superior healthcare industry by now. You continue to act like we want his labor for nothing when that just isn't the case.
Our system isn't perfect, the rest of the civilized world doesn't have a perfect system either but theirs is closer to what is right than what we do. You talk about fen worshipping the govt like a religion when you do the same for "the market" like it hasn't been shown to have numerous issues itself.
Average income for a family physician in the US: $209K per annum (https://thedoctorweighsin.com/how-much-money-do-us-doctors-make/)
Average income for a family physician in Canada: $271K per annum (http://globalnews.ca/news/2898641/how-much-is-your-doctor-making-what-you-need-to-know-about-canadas-physician-workforce/)
Bear in mind that those are US and Canadian dollar amounts respectively, so exchange rate needs to be factored in. Still, it's a pretty comparable number.
Post by: Badger on March 25, 2017, 03:23:51 PM
Average income for a family physician in the US: $209K per annum (https://thedoctorweighsin.com/how-much-money-do-us-doctors-make/)Yeah, but they're compelled to make $271K.
Average income for a family physician in Canada: $271K per annum (http://globalnews.ca/news/2898641/how-much-is-your-doctor-making-what-you-need-to-know-about-canadas-physician-workforce/)
Bear in mind that those are US and Canadian dollar amounts respectively, so exchange rate needs to be factored in. Still, it's a pretty comparable number.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 25, 2017, 05:34:46 PM
Plenty want to do both, but are then demonized by people like you and told that they're selfish for not wanting to give away the tools of their profession. Actually, to take it a step further, according to you these people should literally be forced by government compulsion to give their services no matter what the market dictates they're worth.
Your line of thinking will drive anyone who's halfway intelligent out of the profession.
Eat excrement.
I'm a clown? Lol. You're a hack with no actual sense as to how the real world works.
1. where did i demonize anybody? all i spoke about was how many who decide to go into this field do so because their ultimate aim is to help people. i even spoke about how compensation would still matter to them just like it would to anybody else, did you miss that?
2. where did i say that i wanted people to give away the 'tools of their profession', whatever the fvck that may fvcking mean? nowhere did i say or imply that care should be given to all no matter what, even if it meant working for free, and that doctors should work for free lmaoo, nowhere did i say that.
my point, which you obviously missed, was that people go into this field wanting to help as many and all that they can, and if that meant a healthcare system where everybody was actually COVERED and AVAILABLE to get help from them then so be it lol, that would ultimately fulfill the aims they had entering the field and the compensation would still be more than enough. of course it would be lower than what it has been historically, but they would still be far better off than like 90% of the population. doctors wouldn't be living uncomfortably.
is this how you conduct yourself in threads and discussions, speaking poorly about the topics being discussed, thinking that throwing around cop-outs like 'eat excrement' and 'quoted for hilariousness' actually means and/or proves anything, and putting words into people's mouths when you have nothing of quality to say? that in fact is clown behavior through and through bro, do better.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 25, 2017, 05:39:59 PM
Puck as far as knowing doctors, my father is a surgeon, and a former chief of urology at a major NY area hospital whereas these freaking idiots have absolutely no clue about what it takes to get ones MD.
I will be getting my MD in May mutherfvcker
I don't think I will be wasting any more precious time with the crap you spew any further, but we shall see. It will definitely be my aim. We shall see.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 25, 2017, 05:48:20 PM
I will be getting my MD in May mutherfvckerDo you have plans to be a labioplasty specialist?
I don't think I will be wasting any more precious time with the crap you spew any further, but we shall see. It will definitely be my aim. We shall see.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 25, 2017, 05:56:47 PM
Do you have plans to be a labioplasty specialist?
if lady gaga ever needed treatment from me she would get a pronebone pro boner
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2017, 06:22:03 PM
1. where did i demonize anybody? all i spoke about was how many who decide to go into this field do so because their ultimate aim is to help people. i even spoke about how compensation would still matter to them just like it would to anybody else, did you miss that?
2. where did i say that i wanted people to give away the 'tools of their profession', whatever the fvck that may fvcking mean? nowhere did i say or imply that care should be given to all no matter what, even if it meant working for free, and that doctors should work for free lmaoo, nowhere did i say that.
my point, which you obviously missed, was that people go into this field wanting to help as many and all that they can, and if that meant a healthcare system where everybody was actually COVERED and AVAILABLE to get help from them then so be it lol, that would ultimately fulfill the aims they had entering the field and the compensation would still be more than enough. of course it would be lower than what it has been historically, but they would still be far better off than like 90% of the population. doctors wouldn't be living uncomfortably.
is this how you conduct yourself in threads and discussions, speaking poorly about the topics being discussed, thinking that throwing around cop-outs like 'eat excrement' and 'quoted for hilariousness' actually means and/or proves anything, and putting words into people's mouths when you have nothing of quality to say? that in fact is clown behavior through and through bro, do better.
Quoted for hilariousness
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 26, 2017, 06:55:34 PM
Quoted for hilariousness
eat excrement!!! you have no idea how the real world works!1
Post by: bojanglesman on March 26, 2017, 07:27:34 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2017, 08:15:50 PM
Seriously, eat excrement should be used more.
Yeah well jump on a plate.
Post by: Johnny English on March 26, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 27, 2017, 12:07:47 AM
Is that right, Trump voters? Did you not expect him to understand it and just figured it didn't really matter that much?
Post by: Badger on March 27, 2017, 07:27:16 AM
The latest from Fox: "This isn't Trump's fault, no one expected a businessman to understand the nuances of healthcare."Fake news
Is that right, Trump voters? Did you not expect him to understand it and just figured it didn't really matter that much?
Post by: mj2sexay on March 27, 2017, 12:54:16 PM
1. where did i demonize anybody? all i spoke about was how many who decide to go into this field do so because their ultimate aim is to help people. i even spoke about how compensation would still matter to them just like it would to anybody else, did you miss that?
2. where did i say that i wanted people to give away the 'tools of their profession', whatever the fvck that may fvcking mean? nowhere did i say or imply that care should be given to all no matter what, even if it meant working for free, and that doctors should work for free lmaoo, nowhere did i say that.
my point, which you obviously missed, was that people go into this field wanting to help as many and all that they can, and if that meant a healthcare system where everybody was actually COVERED and AVAILABLE to get help from them then so be it lol, that would ultimately fulfill the aims they had entering the field and the compensation would still be more than enough. of course it would be lower than what it has been historically, but they would still be far better off than like 90% of the population. doctors wouldn't be living uncomfortably.
is this how you conduct yourself in threads and discussions, speaking poorly about the topics being discussed, thinking that throwing around cop-outs like 'eat excrement' and 'quoted for hilariousness' actually means and/or proves anything, and putting words into people's mouths when you have nothing of quality to say? that in fact is clown behavior through and through bro, do better.
I wasn't going to come back to this dumpster fire, as it's very obvious there's nothing that'll break through the hive mind of these parts, but I'm bolding this because
A. I wasn't the one that started lobbing insults you dumb excrement.
B. You still have yet to reconcile the fact that we already had single payer in this country and that it was garbage. Food for thought the next time you want to accuse someone else of speaking poorly while doing nothing but regurgitating platitudes that have no basis in reality.
And yes, as Bojangles has noted many times, eat excrement may be the most underrated insult going today.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on March 27, 2017, 04:05:04 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 30, 2017, 06:23:02 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326639-flynn-offers-to-testify-on-russia-ties-in-exchange-for-immunity
Post by: reuben on March 30, 2017, 06:33:42 PM
excrement could be about to get a bit more real.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326639-flynn-offers-to-testify-on-russia-ties-in-exchange-for-immunity
Here we go, baby.
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Post by: sg3 on March 30, 2017, 07:16:31 PM
It appears that Tommyanne may be the only remaining Trump groupie not on the payroll
Post by: Miamipuck on March 30, 2017, 08:25:22 PM
excrement could be about to get a bit more real.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326639-flynn-offers-to-testify-on-russia-ties-in-exchange-for-immunity
You know the funny thing is this will probably be full of sound and fury and signify nothing.
Post by: Fenwyr on March 31, 2017, 12:12:21 AM
The cover up is the real problem.
The house voted to impeach Clinton for trying to cover up a blow job.
If there is a cover up involving Trump and Russia, even if it isn't something huge, the fact that he lied about it will be enough for the 2019 Democratically led house and senate.
As soon as you are sworn in, you are technically under oath for 4 years. Remember that. And remember every lie he has said since his swearing in.
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Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2017, 09:37:41 AM
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-son-law-testify-executives-sanctioned-russian-bank-575069
Post by: sg3 on March 31, 2017, 09:50:13 AM
From his first attempts at illegal segregation right up to his current TREASON on behalf of Russia
Post by: Fenwyr on March 31, 2017, 09:55:43 AM
This seems rather illegal.It most certainly was. However, I could buy that Kushner had no idea the bank was under sanction. But based on how things have been going, he probably did know.
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-son-law-testify-executives-sanctioned-russian-bank-575069
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Post by: Johnny English on March 31, 2017, 10:01:03 AM
It most certainly was. However, I could buy that Kushner had no idea the bank was under sanction. But based on how things have been going, he probably did know.
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Given he was part of the transition team at that point, it was kind of incumbent upon him to know. It's not like the West placing sanctions on a variety of Russian organisations was exactly a secret.
Post by: Badger on April 01, 2017, 09:36:18 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2017, 05:26:00 PM
Quote
Rolling Stone even quoted Trump’s former coach Col. Ted Dobias, who said, “He was good-hit and good-field: We had scouts from the Phillies to watch him, but he wanted to go to college and make real money.”
Daily Mail reported, “He was a standout athlete at New York Military Academy where he was scouted for the Red Sox and West Point.”
The Washington Post reported, “Trump’s best sport was baseball.” The Post continues:
By sixth grade, Donald’s power as a right-handed hitter was enough that fielders shifted to left field when he batted. “If he had hit the ball to right, he could’ve had a home run because no one was there,” said Nicholas Kass, a schoolmate. “But he always wanted to hit the ball through people. He wanted to overpower them.”
GOAT
Post by: Fenwyr on April 03, 2017, 06:15:22 PM
GOATHe said it himself. He was the best baseball player in New York.
Meanwhile, the Yankees were destroying with a hall of fame roster.
The dude is a queynte.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2017, 08:26:14 PM
He said it himself. He was the best baseball player in New York.
Meanwhile, the Yankees were destroying with a hall of fame roster.
The dude is a queynte.
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Donald Puck
Post by: Tommy on April 03, 2017, 08:59:28 PM
Donald Puck
lolololol
Post by: Badger on April 03, 2017, 09:09:00 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 04, 2017, 07:10:40 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 04, 2017, 07:12:12 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 04, 2017, 09:18:13 AM
In case JE is still confused over where SFD stands:
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You forgot freak Puck.
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Edit: apparently it was Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/us/politics/national-security-council-stephen-bannon.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Some kind of sense has prevailed.
Post by: IATA on April 05, 2017, 12:10:37 PM
Post by: Jetaho on April 05, 2017, 02:57:24 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on April 05, 2017, 06:09:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARCJMFXHalo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARCJMFXHalo)I thought he would go quietly in to broadcast tv late night oblivion. He is killing it.
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Post by: Badger on April 05, 2017, 08:19:12 PM
I thought he would go quietly in to broadcast tv late night oblivion. He is killing it.
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Colbert is too talented and Trump is too easy a target for ridicule, his show will was gonna be fine.
Post by: Johnny English on April 06, 2017, 08:57:22 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/devin-nunes-stepping-aside-russia-intelligence-committee/
Post by: sg3 on April 06, 2017, 09:08:47 AM
Post by: steves850 on April 06, 2017, 02:25:59 PM
Happier if he had "stepped down" from the edge of a high cliff. Hopefully he gets to "step down" from the HR after 2018
Does HR mean human race in this situation? Is that a thing? Calling it HR?
Post by: MBGreen on April 06, 2017, 02:27:59 PM
Does HR mean human race in this situation? Is that a thing? Calling it HR?
Human Resources is serious bizness
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 06, 2017, 08:18:40 PM
I don't know if bombing Syria is the right idea or not, but my guess is no.
The one thing that makes me confident it might be a good idea is that Donald Trump thought it was a bad idea.
@realDonaldTrump (Aug. 29, 2013)
"What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval."
Post by: bojanglesman on April 06, 2017, 08:29:27 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 06, 2017, 09:16:15 PM
Post by: Badger on April 06, 2017, 09:40:14 PM
Something tells me giving Donald Trump the ability to order missile strikes was not the best idea.
I don't know if bombing Syria is the right idea or not, but my guess is no.
The one thing that makes me confident it might be a good idea is that Donald Trump thought it was a bad idea.
@realDonaldTrump (Aug. 29, 2013)
"What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval."
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Post by: Badger on April 06, 2017, 09:41:34 PM
Does HR mean human race in this situation? Is that a thing? Calling it HR?
Suggesting someone should step down from the human race is my new favorite euphemism for "kill yourself."
Also, I believe he meant House of Representatives.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 06, 2017, 10:13:34 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 07, 2017, 12:30:40 AM
there aren't enough words to describe how unstable the POTUS is, what a filthy fvcking mess he is
Post by: sg3 on April 07, 2017, 12:40:12 AM
Does HR mean human race in this situation? Is that a thing? Calling it HR?House of Representatives.
He doesn't have to leave the human race. He can go back to his real job as a Kock Bros lobbyist after his tenure of pretending to serve his constituents
Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2017, 12:47:55 AM
He hasn't done anything yet. Hopefully it's all bluster. No one else is going to do anything militarily. I don't know why we feel like as Americans we have to be the country that's Superman and fixes everything. It's freaking awful what was done there. I don't know what the solution is.
Well I'm a jinx.
BTW, Tom Brady will never be injured this year. 0% chance. Even if he is, it will be minor.
Post by: MBGreen on April 07, 2017, 05:16:39 AM
i can't sleepill be in Washington DC this Sunday for a week (on course for work)....ill straighten this clown out for you guys.
there aren't enough words to describe how unstable the POTUS is, what a filthy fvcking mess he is
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Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2017, 05:59:39 AM
ill be in Washington DC this Sunday for a week (on course for work)....ill straighten this clown out for you guys.Big-time.
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Post by: ons on April 07, 2017, 06:31:52 AM
i can't sleep
there aren't enough words to describe how unstable the POTUS is, what a filthy fvcking mess he is
Honestly I think this is one of the more politically savvy things he's done as president. It's terrifying that he has the capability to do this - but striking an air base (after properly warning Russian troops potentially in the area) is a relatively appropriate counter-measure to the horrific war crimes that the Assad regime allegedly committed, and this creates a very strong talking point against allegations of being too friendly with Russian interests.
If he follows this up with any amplification of aggression, that will make for a potential enormous disaster, especially if he doesn't go through Congress.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 07, 2017, 08:57:23 AM
Yes, I would be ok with targeted assassination of that player of the pink oboe.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 07, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
Honestly I think this is one of the more politically savvy things he's done as president. It's terrifying that he has the capability to do this - but striking an air base (after properly warning Russian troops potentially in the area) is a relatively appropriate counter-measure to the horrific war crimes that the Assad regime allegedly committed, and this creates a very strong talking point against allegations of being too friendly with Russian interests.
If he follows this up with any amplification of aggression, that will make for a potential enormous disaster, especially if he doesn't go through Congress.
allegedly - we don't even know if it was in fact assad that committed the CW attack. IMO, was it him? yes it was, but it's still just an allegation...but let's act upon it.
a very similar situation was more or less present in 2013 with chemical attacks and at the time trump said obama shouldn't do anything to syria as it would end in nothing good for us...woops. he also has tweets from 2012 saying that since obama's ratings were getting low, he expects symbolic strikes against iran or libya to help. right now trump's ratings are historically low. he literally has a tweet for everything.
the airstrikes last night were an act of war, which he totally bypassed congress in ordering, and he did it from mar-a-lago during dinner with a chinese dignitary present no less.
i won't even go into our history of trying to effect regime change in this area of the world in the past and the catastrophically negative effects those efforts had.
moreover, the airbase that was struck last night was one that was used to deploy airstrikes against ISIS. nice. last night ISIS and AQ were celebrating the airstrikes and celebrating trump. apparently this is what we want
i am hoping with all my heart that the last sentence in your post doesn't come true, but it's scary to think about because of how unstable and impulsive a president we have right now. he ran a whole campaign saying he wouldn't get involved in syria. just last week he said he wouldn't be doing anything against assad.
what a mess, i am so done, i am so unhappy
please straighten things out if you can MB, thank you.
Post by: MBGreen on April 07, 2017, 09:27:03 AM
allegedly - we don't even know if it was in fact assad that committed the CW attack. IMO, was it him? yes it was, but it's still just an allegation...but let's act upon it.
a very similar situation was more or less present in 2013 with chemical attacks and at the time trump said obama shouldn't do anything to syria as it would end in nothing good for us...woops. he also has tweets from 2012 saying that since obama's ratings were getting low, he expects symbolic strikes against iran or libya to help. right now trump's ratings are historically low. he literally has a tweet for everything.
the airstrikes last night were an act of war, which he totally bypassed congress in ordering, and he did it from mar-a-lago during dinner with a chinese dignitary present no less.
i won't even go into our history of trying to effect regime change in this area of the world in the past and the catastrophically negative effects those efforts had.
moreover, the airbase that was struck last night was one that was used to deploy airstrikes against ISIS. nice. last night ISIS and AQ were celebrating the airstrikes and celebrating trump. apparently this is what we want
i am hoping with all my heart that the last sentence in your post doesn't come true, but it's scary to think about because of how unstable and impulsive a president we have right now. he ran a whole campaign saying he wouldn't get involved in syria. just last week he said he wouldn't be doing anything against assad.
what a mess, i am so done, i am so unhappy
please straighten things out if you can MB, thank you.
I'll try my best, broski.
If I'm unsuccessful, Manitoba can use more doctors, you're welcome to come live up here.
Post by: Coach K on April 07, 2017, 09:30:51 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on April 07, 2017, 09:35:36 AM
I am ok with the missile strike, I honestly wish we did more to freak up Assad than that. I would be ok with a strike on his residence like they did with Gaddafi. You want to go against civilized society, you pay the price.Came to post the same. Broken clock and all that. I'm not afraid to admit when the worthless shitbag does something I agree with.
Yes, I would be ok with targeted assassination of that player of the pink oboe.
Next comes Asaad and his family. If our hat is in the ring, he should be treated as a terrorist.
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Post by: Fenwyr on April 07, 2017, 09:40:29 AM
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Post by: ons on April 07, 2017, 09:46:35 AM
allegedly - we don't even know if it was in fact assad that committed the CW attack. IMO, was it him? yes it was, but it's still just an allegation...but let's act upon it.
a very similar situation was more or less present in 2013 with chemical attacks and at the time trump said obama shouldn't do anything to syria as it would end in nothing good for us...woops. he also has tweets from 2012 saying that since obama's ratings were getting low, he expects symbolic strikes against iran or libya to help. right now trump's ratings are historically low. he literally has a tweet for everything.
Yeah, I don't think the missile attack was the ethical thing to do, especially from a supposedly non interventionist administration, but as long as it doesn't lead to an escalation of military activity, I am okay with it. Although I'd guess that it is primarily a political decision for Trump to distance his administration from Russia.
Compared to alternatives - either a more aggressive military move or agreeing with the Russians about the source of the attacks - this response seems relatively reasonable.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 07, 2017, 09:48:52 AM
I get why people would disagree, but it seems like people were more OK with this type of retaliation when Saddam was gassing the Kurds. This wasn't about ISIS, and there is nothing alleged about the international crimes that Asaad has committed.
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nothing alleged against the crimes he has committed, no disagreement there. however reading trump's statements he makes it a point to say the acts we'd be taking would be due to the use of chemical warfare, the cause of which is still unknown. which begs the question -- what now? what happens when somebody uses chemical warfare there in the future? the precedent last night's act sets up would mean a bigger form of involvement in the future. america's job isn't to police the world, we've tried in the past many times and it's failed horribly for all involved. it was our policing of iraq that lead to the situation Iraq and Syria now face against ISIS
Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2017, 09:54:15 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2017, 09:56:14 AM
nothing alleged against the crimes he has committed, no disagreement there. however reading trump's statements he makes it a point to say the acts we'd be taking would be due to the use of chemical warfare, the cause of which is still unknown. which begs the question -- what now? what happens when somebody uses chemical warfare there in the future? the precedent last night's act sets up would mean a bigger form of involvement in the future. america's job isn't to police the world, we've tried in the past many times and it's failed horribly for all involved. it was our policing of iraq that lead to the situation Iraq and Syria now face against ISIS
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. America gets bashed if we stay out of a situation and bashed if we get involved. Usually it's when we get involved. You can't win. I guessed the bashing would be slightly less if we didn't get involved.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 07, 2017, 09:58:01 AM
why is it that trump feels it necessary to attack assad/syrian gov't for the chemical attacks against those 'children of god', when both of his muslim bans deny those very same children from ever being able to seek refuge from assad in america?
right now, say we topple assad, okay, what is the alternative? what happens then? we'd be handing the region over to isis/al qaeda/salafi jihadist rebels. what are we trying to do?
in the future, when we see images on tv of those same groups beheading minority christians and shias, will we be fine with that? we'll have to intervene then too, won't we?
believe me, i cannot begin to tell you how much my heart aches for the people of syria and what's going on with them, and how we've failed them, but the situation is totally complex and fucked, and the solution is not as simple as 'attack assad/topple assad's regime'
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 07, 2017, 09:59:44 AM
At least it's (hopefully) a one and done kind of bombing and there weren't any civilians injured to my knowledge.
this is my hope for today as well. there have been other presidents in the past that have done similar one-and-done type acts.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 07, 2017, 10:06:06 AM
this is my hope for today as well. there have been other presidents in the past that have done similar one-and-done type acts.We bombed the excrement out of the airbase where the gas attack originated. That's pretty reasonable, and limits further attacks while sending a message.
I doubt this event will lead to further escalation. Even though I was pretty clear I would not cry if they take out Asaad.
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Post by: Badger on April 07, 2017, 01:51:54 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. America gets bashed if we stay out of a situation and bashed if we get involved. Usually it's when we get involved. You can't win. I guessed the bashing would be slightly less if we didn't get involved.
Pretty easy to see there's a lot less bashing and damning for us if we don't.
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Post by: mj2sexay on April 07, 2017, 09:04:35 PM
rekt
https://twitter.com/EagleSessions/status/850356111186251776?s=09
You just shared a bunch of posts where Trumps most recognizable and ardent supporters showed anger with his decision to launch an attack, then post a status about how Trump supporters are pussies because they want to go to war but have never served?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 07, 2017, 10:03:42 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-syria-democratic-hawks-237024
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2017, 10:53:05 PM
You just shared a bunch of posts where Trumps most recognizable and ardent supporters showed anger with his decision to launch an attack, then post a status about how Trump supporters are pussies because they want to go to war but have never served?
Those are Trump's most recognizable and ardent supporters? Clearly, they're not sending their best.
Also, I know you're reaching for some kind of gotcha moment, but it's not contradictory to point out that some people were idiots for thinking Trump could restrain from military intervention and other people are shitty for trying to put down those who are speaking out against said intervention.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 08, 2017, 01:55:56 AM
Lot of dems and former Obama aides praising Trump for the Syria thing, after Obama fucked it up pretty bad
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-syria-democratic-hawks-237024
WTF man? I am an Obama guy, and I supported his desire to this in 2013. He did the crazy move of going to congress first. Turtle rooster blocked him, and then republicans blamed Obama. What did Obama freak up exactly?
Let me repeat, I 100% support what Trump did here. They still screwed it up, they didn't ruin the runways, but it was the right thing to do.
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Post by: mj2sexay on April 08, 2017, 02:01:26 AM
Those are Trump's most recognizable and ardent supporters? Clearly, they're not sending their best.
Also, I know you're reaching for some kind of gotcha moment, but it's not contradictory to point out that some people were idiots for thinking Trump could restrain from military intervention and other people are shitty for trying to put down those who are speaking out against said intervention.
No, I was genuinely curious as to how you reconciled that. This is going for a gotcha moment. But if they weren't, why use them as an example of people regretting their decision to back him, even though they share the same thought on the subject as the veteran making the case that military intervention is the wrong thing to do?
I don't disagree some people were idiots for having unrealistic goals in placing their vote where they did. This is applicable towards every candidate in the history of the entire process. Or were Bernie Sanders voters universally grounded and realistic in their goals?
It's not contradictory, but that veterans initial statement is also unfair when you consider he could say the same exact thing about the grand majority of liberals that have come out in favor of this, or the 60+ million that voted for the foreign policy of Hillary Clinton. He caught one idiot in a trap on twitter. Shooting fish in a barrel is hard now?
If anything IMHO, this has easily been the most divisive issue among Trump supporters since the inception of his campaign, and I'd say the majority are against this. FWIW, considering by all indications he failed to notify congress within 48 hours of an attack, the entire issue of whether it was the right thing to do or not is irrelevant because its unconstitutional. Convenient how Paul Ryan has forgotten that fact. Nikki Haley showed more balls in front of the UN today in four minutes then that lady garden has shown in his entire political career.
I will say while I think its incredibly rash to jump to the conclusion that this is going to kick off world war 3, I shat my pants when I heard the fossils on both sides of the aisle today. Lots of people ready to depose and install because it works. So. Well.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 08, 2017, 03:06:55 AM
I want to help. This might serve you at some point. I literally have no idea where you were going in this post.
Yes, plenty of people you would consider liberal, myself included, were ok with this action.
It should have happened 4 years ago.
Putin is a freaking hoo-ha. In a duel of billionaire pussies, our hoo-ha made the right choice. This excrement could have been put to bed 4 years ago if Turtle didn't stop it.
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Post by: bojanglesman on April 08, 2017, 09:09:02 AM
He has some points here. It doesn't make a ton of sense for Assad to have done this, but very few people know the intelligence behind the scenes and I don't think anyone over there is going to have "stability" listed on their resume. Something to think about anyway.
The alternative thought is that Assad did it to make things as miserable as possible for these people outside his area of control to show dominance and make things hopeless for them so they just submit.
I can see both sides.
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 08, 2017, 10:09:54 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 08, 2017, 11:42:46 AM
Listen mj. We disagree on politics, but I don't have a problem with you. I invited Tommy to stay at my house in 2020 after all.
I want to help. This might serve you at some point. I literally have no idea where you were going in this post.
Yes, plenty of people you would consider liberal, myself included, were ok with this action.
It should have happened 4 years ago.
Putin is a freaking hoo-ha. In a duel of billionaire pussies, our hoo-ha made the right choice. This excrement could have been put to bed 4 years ago if Turtle didn't stop it.
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Judging by our posts in other threads this is about the only thing (and Watson's prospects as a pro) that we disagree on. It's all good.
My only point pertaining to criticism of the strike is this: despite what John Bolton who goes from six to midnight at the thought of military engagement said, its my understanding that Trump needed to notify congress within 48 hours before he commenced this action. Unless I'm incorrect, that never happened. I can't sit here and talk about Gorsuch and constitutionality like it means something and then not believe that its imperative Trump follow the Constitution. Obama sought approval in 2013. It was the right thing to do, even if it led to what I believed was the wrong outcome. Trump apparently didn't. That's not only the wrong way to go about things, but of course now anytime he wants to talk about the constitutionality of anything, any subject at any time, immediately a valid criticism is, "wasn't so concerned with the constitutionality of things when he was dropping tomahawks on Syria, was he?" It's an unforced error.
Seeing as how the reports today seem to indicate this was indeed a one-off despite McCain hammering the drumbeat of war like Congress is Rush and he's Neil Peart, I have absolutely no problem with the strike itself. Secular dictatorships in that part of the country are unfortunately preferable to the great unknown, but that doesn't mean you can just turn a blind eye when they decide to gas their own citizens, and as a superpower reveal to the world that you're in fact feckless. And while I know the immediate rebuttal to that is that there's an entire continent that's completely ignored in which despots kill their own citizens all the time, the reality is Africa is nowhere near as important to our national security interests as the middle east. Initially I thought of the possibility of the initial gassing being a false flag perpetrated by the rebels in order to induce action against the government, but the Assad regimes own explanation of how the gas was released is implausible as excrement.
However, if the larger plan is to continue to engage, depose and install new leadership, in my opinion this is cause for great concern. The best we can do right now is hope Assad gets the message, hope he's more intelligent and less removed from reality that Saddam was, and cuts the excrement. Gaddafi was a piece of excrement but he was brought to heel before the decision was made (And one I still don't understand) to support regime change in Libya. It just took some flexing of military muscle.
I think what a lot of people who think something like this could've led to a long and destructive conflict with Russia, fail to consider how incredibly pleased Putin is with their place on the world stage and his aura of invincibility domestically. It stands to reason that he desires the status quo. I don't know if it makes him a hoo-ha, but he definitely doesn't need his control over the mafia state he's built for himself to wane because he overstepped in claiming his stake in the middle east after already re-establishing themselves as the major non-american foreign force in the region. I know the Russian populace isn't gun shy about war now, but give it time in a long, drawn out military engagement and chances are like everyone else they'd lose their resolve quickly. Seemingly the leadership of Europe and the United States don't care right now that Putin can kill and silence dissent at home, but that all changes the second he reacts antagonistically and war breaks out. But he's made such significant gains in that part of the world over the last half decade alone, and solidified his position in Russia, that responding to this airstrike in such a manner would be like going for it on 4th and 12 on your own 20 up 35-14. It makes zero sense. And sure enough, they were so aggressive in their response they haven't and won't cancel not-so-sexy Rexy's visit next week.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 08, 2017, 01:16:17 PM
Putin is a hoo-ha on the international stage. He has the sweetest deal going at home. He is stealing all the cash, killing off people he doesn't like, and nobody can touch him. The last thing he wants is war, but he'll act tough anyway.
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Post by: Badger on April 08, 2017, 03:32:29 PM
No, I was genuinely curious as to how you reconciled that. This is going for a gotcha moment. But if they weren't, why use them as an example of people regretting their decision to back him, even though they share the same thought on the subject as the veteran making the case that military intervention is the wrong thing to do?
I don't disagree some people were idiots for having unrealistic goals in placing their vote where they did. This is applicable towards every candidate in the history of the entire process. Or were Bernie Sanders voters universally grounded and realistic in their goals?
It's not contradictory, but that veterans initial statement is also unfair when you consider he could say the same exact thing about the grand majority of liberals that have come out in favor of this, or the 60+ million that voted for the foreign policy of Hillary Clinton. He caught one idiot in a trap on twitter. Shooting fish in a barrel is hard now?
If anything IMHO, this has easily been the most divisive issue among Trump supporters since the inception of his campaign, and I'd say the majority are against this. FWIW, considering by all indications he failed to notify congress within 48 hours of an attack, the entire issue of whether it was the right thing to do or not is irrelevant because its unconstitutional. Convenient how Paul Ryan has forgotten that fact. Nikki Haley showed more balls in front of the UN today in four minutes then that lady garden has shown in his entire political career.
I will say while I think its incredibly rash to jump to the conclusion that this is going to kick off world war 3, I shat my pants when I heard the fossils on both sides of the aisle today. Lots of people ready to depose and install because it works. So. Well.
1. Because the veteran presumably didn't vote for Trump. It's not complicated.
2. The number of people who mocked Sanders supporters for for wanting "free excrement" was higher than the number of actual Sanders supporters who thought they were actually getting "free excrement".
3. I'll gladly assume the majority of Trump voters are either in favor of or apathetic to this move. It is somewhat divisive in Washington and the media but not among his core.
4. I'm trying not to leap to conclusions either, but it's hard to see a way that this plays out that doesn't eventually backfire on us.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 08, 2017, 04:16:47 PM
So much from this 4 year experiment is going to backfire on us. Dropping 30 million worth of explosives on a shitty airbase will be the least of our worries.
1. Because the veteran presumably didn't vote for Trump. It's not complicated.
2. The number of people who mocked Sanders supporters for for wanting "free excrement" was higher than the number of actual Sanders supporters who thought they were actually getting "free excrement".
3. I'll gladly assume the majority of Trump voters are either in favor of or apathetic to this move. It is somewhat divisive in Washington and the media but not among his core.
4. I'm trying not to leap to conclusions either, but it's hard to see a way that this plays out that doesn't eventually backfire on us.
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Post by: Fenwyr on April 08, 2017, 04:32:57 PM
The current republican agenda, as far as I can grasp it...
Smaller government, keep them out of our lives. Beyond this being freaking retarded in general, the current republican party has no desire to decrease the size of government, and actually want to force their version of your life down your throat.
Cut taxes, decrease the deficit. Even if they intended to, it would throw their base into poverty. They will cut taxes, but it will adversely impact the non wealthy. excrement that us normal people need to survive always gets more expensive immediately following a tax cut. And let's be honest, republicans invented the deficit.
Fetuses are all that matter, but actual babies don't need healthcare, and freak them, they can starve to death. Pro life my derriere.
freaking guns, ugh.
I don't always agree with Bill Maher, but his republicans are just being dicks bit was pretty spot on.
I'm still waiting for one of our republican fan bois to name one good piece of legislation these tools have offered up in the last 10 years.
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 08, 2017, 04:42:15 PM
The better question would be what did the Republicans accomplish under Bush's 8 years in office, and I'm too young to remember those years and don't really care much either
Post by: Fenwyr on April 08, 2017, 05:56:08 PM
I'm more so against the Democratic party rather than supportive of Republicans, but the Democrats were primarily in power for most of the last 8 years, so asking what Republican accomplishments for the last 10 is kinda like ehhhIf you are so young that you don't even have knowledge of the Bush years, and don't care enough to educate yourself, wtf are doing in this thread?
The better question would be what did the Republicans accomplish under Bush's 8 years in office, and I'm too young to remember those years and don't really care much either
Bush has a good heart, but he was surrounded by assholes. He passed a couple bipartisan items that the far right hated. He goes down as a shitty president because he got duped into the Iraq war by Chaney and Rove.
Obama had 2 years to get something done. He did equal pay for equal work, and a watered down ACA. Then Boner, Turtle, and Ryan blocked bipartisan legislation on infrastructure, immigration, tax reform, and everything else that would have passed if it saw the light of day. Not to mention a supreme court nominee that would have a hell of a lot more than 54 votes.
Republicans had 7 years to come up with a health care agenda. They came up with massive tax cuts for the rich instead.
So you are against democrats. OK, why? If you have no clue what the hell has happened over the last 16 years, why? I asked mj a similar question, and his first 3 agenda items were liberal, yet he seems to hate democrats too.
What is on the republican agenda that appeals to you that isn't a blatant lie or smokescreen?
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 08, 2017, 06:05:26 PM
If you are so young that you don't even have knowledge of the Bush years, and don't care enough to educate yourself, wtf are doing in this thread?
Bush has a good heart, but he was surrounded by assholes. He passed a couple bipartisan items that the far right hated. He goes down as a shitty president because he got duped into the Iraq war by Chaney and Rove.
Obama had 2 years to get something done. He did equal pay for equal work, and a watered down ACA. Then Boner, Turtle, and Ryan blocked bipartisan legislation on infrastructure, immigration, tax reform, and everything else that would have passed if it saw the light of day. Not to mention a supreme court nominee that would have a hell of a lot more than 54 votes.
Republicans had 7 years to come up with a health care agenda. They came up with massive tax cuts for the rich instead.
So you are against democrats. OK, why? If you have no clue what the hell has happened over the last 16 years, why? I asked mj a similar question, and his first 3 agenda items were liberal, yet he seems to hate democrats too.
What is on the republican agenda that appeals to you that isn't a blatant lie or smokescreen?
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This thread is about Trump, not some dude that got elected 17 years ago.
My issue with Democrats is they're big believers that the government is the answer, thus they support increased taxes and spending because they think its the solution to all our problems.
I don't like the Republicans, I think they're wrong on MOST issues. However the Republicans are a dying brand, their base is shrinking while the opponents is growing. They only manage to stay competitive because of a flawed electoral system and because their voters are far more likely to show up to the polls than their counterparts.
I think the greatest benefit that the Republicans offer this country is they're the opposition to the left, and simply slow down the Democrats from imposing their big government agenda on the American people.
And yes I'm too young to remember the Bush years in detail, I have a general idea and know Bush was more moderate than he was given credit for. But for me to pretend to be an expert on him because of some excrement I read online would just ignorance. I'm too young to remember the Bush years, thus I'll defer to others on it and openly admit and acknowledge that. Political discourse has enough ignorance, i prefer to limit my contributions to that
Post by: Fenwyr on April 08, 2017, 06:32:24 PM
This thread is about Trump, not some dude that got elected 17 years ago.So it sounds like someone told you early on that democrats are pro big government, and it stuck. Hate to break it to you, but we have a federal government, and both sides want to make it bigger. They just choose to grow it in different ways.
My issue with Democrats is they're big believers that the government is the answer, thus they support increased taxes and spending because they think its the solution to all our problems.
I don't like the Republicans, I think they're wrong on MOST issues. However the Republicans are a dying brand, their base is shrinking while the opponents is growing. They only manage to stay competitive because of a flawed electoral system and because their voters are far more likely to show up to the polls than their counterparts.
I think the greatest benefit that the Republicans offer this country is they're the opposition to the left, and simply slow down the Democrats from imposing their big government agenda on the American people.
And yes I'm too young to remember the Bush years in detail, I have a general idea and know Bush was more moderate than he was given credit for. But for me to pretend to be an expert on him because of some excrement I read online would just ignorance. I'm too young to remember the Bush years, thus I'll defer to others on it and openly admit and acknowledge that. Political discourse has enough ignorance, i prefer to limit my contributions to that
In you want an enormous military and no privacy, vote republican.
If you want workers rights, clean water, clean air, privacy, health care, national parks, equality, and everything else you vote democrat.
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 08, 2017, 06:39:18 PM
So it sounds like someone told you early on that democrats are pro big government, and it stuck. Hate to break it to you, but we have a federal government, and both sides want to make it bigger. They just choose to grow it in different ways.
In you want an enormous military and no privacy, vote republican.
If you want workers rights, clean water, clean air, privacy, health care, national parks, equality, and everything else you vote democrat.
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Both sides will have a huge military because let's face it the USA is the world's biggest Super power and everybody relies on us for that excrement anyway, the right will just spend more on it. And all this excrement about privacy is almost completely irrelevant to the everyday person, it's nonsense cooked up to make people feel better. The fbi and nsa isn't listening to my phone calls or tracking my Internet usage. And if they are, it's not like it's being published online so who gives a freak.
Look the right sucks, I don't disagree, I don't think many people will. But their (current) purpose isn't to do anything, it's to hamstring the left. Yes both parties are interested in big government to the extent that it gives them money and power. But the left absolutely is interested in more big government.
The right wants to privatize more (prisons, retirement, healthcare, education) and the left just wants to expand it all and then some.
I'm not interested in starting a debate on privatizing vs not, as this is something that had been debated forever with no clear right answer
Post by: Fenwyr on April 08, 2017, 09:28:20 PM
Both sides will have a huge military because let's face it the USA is the world's biggest Super power and everybody relies on us for that excrement anyway, the right will just spend more on it. And all this excrement about privacy is almost completely irrelevant to the everyday person, it's nonsense cooked up to make people feel better. The fbi and nsa isn't listening to my phone calls or tracking my Internet usage. And if they are, it's not like it's being published online so who gives a freak.
Look the right sucks, I don't disagree, I don't think many people will. But their (current) purpose isn't to do anything, it's to hamstring the left. Yes both parties are interested in big government to the extent that it gives them money and power. But the left absolutely is interested in more big government.
The right wants to privatize more (prisons, retirement, healthcare, education) and the left just wants to expand it all and then some.
I'm not interested in starting a debate on privatizing vs not, as this is something that had been debated forever with no clear right answer
You didn't get around to saying why you want to hate on democrats.
And you're dead wrong about privatization. It has failed in every instituition you mentioned. It has never worked in the history of the world. As long as the right still sees $$$ we are doomed to repeat the failure. And don't worry, I won't bother to debate you on it. Just feel free to pick up any history book ever written.
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 08, 2017, 09:41:05 PM
You didn't get around to saying why you want to hate on democrats.
And you're dead wrong about privatization. It has failed in every instituition you mentioned. It has never worked in the history of the world. As long as the right still sees $$$ we are doomed to repeat the failure. And don't worry, I won't bother to debate you on it. Just feel free to pick up any history book ever written.
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Really privatization never works? Because my healthcare is private and it's fantastic. And my 401k and Roth Ira are awesome as well. So I'm extremely happy with privatization.
Nothing works for everybody, all the time. But at least with privatizing your destiny is in your own hands and not the governments.
Hows social security ? Oh its a ponsi scheme going bankrupt. What about all these public pensions where the states are going broke, and theyre buying out and the employees are all getting completely fucked with nothing. Yes public works, yes private works. But some people will benefit more from one, and get screwed more with the other. Nothing works the same for everybody. This black and white mentality of yours isnt good.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 08, 2017, 11:48:15 PM
Really privatization never works? Because my healthcare is private and it's fantastic. And my 401k and Roth Ira are awesome as well. So I'm extremely happy with privatization.
Nothing works for everybody, all the time. But at least with privatizing your destiny is in your own hands and not the governments.
Hows social security ? Oh its a ponsi scheme going bankrupt. What about all these public pensions where the states are going broke, and theyre buying out and the employees are all getting completely fucked with nothing. Yes public works, yes private works. But some people will benefit more from one, and get screwed more with the other. Nothing works the same for everybody. This black and white mentality of yours isnt good.
You are the one thinking in black and white. You do it all the time.
Prisons should not be for profit. We have the highest incarceration rate in the world for a reason.
Health care should not be for profit. We have the highest health care costs in the world for a reason.
Public education needs to be improved, and at the very least, there needs to be free community college and vocational training options after high school.
Social security is its own fund that we all pay into. The republicans should have never borrowed from it. It would be solvent if they had left it alone. The fact that you call it a ponsi scheme gives me insight to the sources of misinformation.
You can send your kids to private school. You can do whatever you want with your investments. You should have the right to purchase whatever cadillac health insurance you want.
That doesn't change the fact that total privatisation has never worked, ever.
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2017, 08:02:58 AM
You are the one thinking in black and white. You do it all the time.
Prisons should not be for profit. We have the highest incarceration rate in the world for a reason.
Health care should not be for profit. We have the highest health care costs in the world for a reason.
Public education needs to be improved, and at the very least, there needs to be free community college and vocational training options after high school.
Social security is its own fund that we all pay into. The republicans should have never borrowed from it. It would be solvent if they had left it alone. The fact that you call it a ponsi scheme gives me insight to the sources of misinformation.
You can send your kids to private school. You can do whatever you want with your investments. You should have the right to purchase whatever cadillac health insurance you want.
That doesn't change the fact that total privatisation has never worked, ever.
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Dude this is black and white thinking. Yes the United States has the highest prison rate. We also are the biggest melting pot of different cultures in the world and the only 1st world country to share a large border with a 3rd world nation
Yeah our Healthcare is the most expensive, but it's also the best in the world. Oh and the United States subsidizes the majority of drug research for the world with its high cost of drugs.
Public education has pretty much been the lefts pet project, and it's failed miserably compared to the rest of the world. Our public schools have been a MN utter diasaster, so if the solution is more free public education let me know how that works out
And social security is a ponsi scheme, the only way it works is if you have more people paying in than taking out, it's a excrement program.
Now yes all of these public things offer a public benefit and are necessary to certain extents. But to pretend they are the gold standard solution is delusional
Post by: Badger on April 09, 2017, 09:02:32 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2017, 09:11:33 AM
I love how the people who bring up how we subsidize the cost of drugs for the rest of the world are fine with it yet are against the wealthy subsidizing the cost of anything to benefit the rest of our own country.
I'm not saying it's ok, I think we should get the rest of the world to contribute more even if we pay the same exact amount (to further advance medical care).
It's just people sit there and bitch about how much cheaper drugs and medicine are in other countries while saying its because of socialized medicine (which absolutely is a factor, no doubt). While completley ignoring the fact that we're paying for the R&D of all drugs for the whole planet mostly on our own.
Were all paying for all these drug companies to give out medicine to these poor sick nations across the world. And people seem to ignore that
Post by: Fenwyr on April 09, 2017, 03:44:31 PM
I love how the people who bring up how we subsidize the cost of drugs for the rest of the world are fine with it yet are against the wealthy subsidizing the cost of anything to benefit the rest of our own country.Aside from the fact that we are not the only country in the world developing drugs.
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Post by: Fenwyr on April 09, 2017, 03:50:38 PM
Dude this is black and white thinking. Yes the United States has the highest prison rate. We also are the biggest melting pot of different cultures in the world and the only 1st world country to share a large border with a 3rd world nationYou really don't get it. The countries kicking our derriere in every category have free education, free healthcare, and not for profit prisons, and they are paying massively less than.us per capita,
Yeah our Healthcare is the most expensive, but it's also the best in the world. Oh and the United States subsidizes the majority of drug research for the world with its high cost of drugs.
Public education has pretty much been the lefts pet project, and it's failed miserably compared to the rest of the world. Our public schools have been a MN utter diasaster, so if the solution is more free public education let me know how that works out
And social security is a ponsi scheme, the only way it works is if you have more people paying in than taking out, it's a excrement program.
Now yes all of these public things offer a public benefit and are necessary to certain extents. But to pretend they are the gold standard solution is delusional
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2017, 03:53:47 PM
Aside from the fact that we are not the only country in the world developing drugs.
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We aren't developing them, companies are. But for God knows what reason we are paying extra for the drugs which subsidizes R&D for new drugs
Post by: Fenwyr on April 09, 2017, 04:15:04 PM
We aren't developing them, companies are. But for God knows what reason we are paying extra for the drugs which subsidizes R&D for new drugsDon't need to ask god when the answer is blatantly obvious. Sanders cannot get a single republican on board with his bill to allow US citizens to purchase drugs from other countries.
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2017, 04:20:01 PM
Don't need to ask god when the answer is blatantly obvious. Sanders cannot get a single republican on board with his bill to allow US citizens to purchase drugs from other countries.
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Yes but this doesn't resolve the issue that research and development for new drugs and treatments is subsidized by the United States retarded drug prices. The international community would have to come up with some sort of agreement where the entire world pays more for drugs so the United States could pay less. Or just have companies spend less money researching new treatments
Post by: Johnny English on April 09, 2017, 04:50:46 PM
Yes but this doesn't resolve the issue that research and development for new drugs and treatments is subsidized by the United States retarded drug prices. The international community would have to come up with some sort of agreement where the entire world pays more for drugs so the United States could pay less. Or just have companies spend less money researching new treatments
You do know that there is absolutely no legal mandate for pharma companies to sell their products to countries that dictate pricing, right? And you also know that there are lots of drugs which organisations like the NHS don't buy because they can't be purchased at a price they consider worthwhile? Which leads to the inevitable conclusion that the lower prices at which those drugs are sold to those countries are still making a profit for the pharma industry, or they just wouldn't sell them there.
Your narrative is exactly what pharma wants you to peddle, but the only reason your drug prices are astronomical is because you have a system that's set up to pay those hugely inflated prices. Look at the balance sheet of any major pharma company and see how R&D costs compare to marketing and advertising budgets.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2017, 04:58:12 PM
You do know that there is absolutely no legal mandate for pharma companies to sell their products to countries that dictate pricing, right? And you also know that there are lots of drugs which organisations like the NHS don't buy because they can't be purchased at a price they consider worthwhile? Which leads to the inevitable conclusion that the lower prices at which those drugs are sold to those countries are still making a profit for the pharma industry, or they just wouldn't sell them there.
Your narrative is exactly what pharma wants you to peddle, but the only reason your drug prices are astronomical is because you have a system that's set up to pay those hugely inflated prices. Look at the balance sheet of any major pharma company and see how R&D costs compare to marketing and advertising budgets.
I don't disagree that they're making a profit anywhere they sell the drug s(except maybe the charity work some do with poor nations)
But we live in a world where the majority of drug research and development is either driven or funded by for profit corporations. It's an incredibly simplified view to just assume that you could buy drugs from somewhere else cheaper and all will be well.
And I don't doubt that companies on the flip side are gouging customers. But the fact remains that the United States spends substantially more on drugs, which indirectly subsidizes drug development for the rest of the world.
The solution isn't as simple as people on both sides of the issue would think, and unless certain mandates thst X amount of profits need to get reinvested into R & D or something could potentially be a middle ground. I don't know what the answer is. But the whole world benefits from the US paying so damn much
Post by: Johnny English on April 09, 2017, 05:04:57 PM
I don't disagree that they're making a profit anywhere they sell the drug s(except maybe the charity work some do with poor nations)
But we live in a world where the majority of drug research and development is either driven or funded by for profit corporations. It's an incredibly simplified view to just assume that you could buy drugs from somewhere else cheaper and all will be well.
And I don't doubt that companies on the flip side are gouging customers. But the fact remains that the United States spends substantially more on drugs, which indirectly subsidizes drug development for the rest of the world.
The solution isn't as simple as people on both sides of the issue would think, and unless certain mandates thst X amount of profits need to get reinvested into R & D or something could potentially be a middle ground. I don't know what the answer is. But the whole world benefits from the US paying so damn much
Your inflated drug prices aren't paying for R&D, they're paying for the eyewateringly huge amounts of Direct To Consumer marketing that is done by pharma. Change the model and D2C goes away; frankly, drug choice should not be a decision in the hands of the consumer. It should be a medical recommendation.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2017, 05:14:31 PM
Your inflated drug prices aren't paying for R&D, they're paying for the eyewateringly huge amounts of Direct To Consumer marketing that is done by pharma. Change the model and D2C goes away; frankly, drug choice should not be a decision in the hands of the consumer. It should be a medical recommendation.
Could be wrong but a quick Google search says the overwhelming majority of drug marketing is directly to physician. With detailing and sampling (free samples) being the two most predominant.
But yes marketing costs seem to be higher than R&D but again companies have to sell their product. If companies aren't successful they won't be investing into future products
Post by: Fenwyr on April 09, 2017, 06:11:47 PM
Yes but this doesn't resolve the issue that research and development for new drugs and treatments is subsidized by the United States retarded drug prices. The international community would have to come up with some sort of agreement where the entire world pays more for drugs so the United States could pay less. Or just have companies spend less money researching new treatmentsI have no words.
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Post by: d sw0rdz on April 09, 2017, 07:50:31 PM
But yes marketing costs seem to be higher than R&D but again companies have to sell their product. If companies aren't successful they won't be investing into future products
You're missing the point again. As JE already mentioned, most of the costs for these companies goes into their insane advertising budget, which dwarfs what they spend on R&D. As it currently stands the US and New Zealand are the ONLY two countries in the world that even advertise in this fashion. Published evidence from controlled clinical trials is enough for the medical field to understand whether a drug has results and is efficacious or not, and whether their patients should be taking said drugs. Advertising directly to consumers plays no role in this...and the advertising is needless.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 09, 2017, 08:03:56 PM
You're missing the point again. As JE already mentioned, most of the costs for these companies goes into their insane advertising budget, which dwarfs what they spend on R&D. As it currently stands the US and New Zealand are the ONLY two countries in the world that even advertise in this fashion. Published evidence from controlled clinical trials is enough for the medical field to understand whether a drug has results and is efficacious or not, and whether their patients should be taking said drugs. Advertising directly to consumers plays no role in this...and the advertising is needless.
Again advertisements directly to consumers only makes up a small fraction of the total pharmaceutical advertising budget. I dont know the exact numbers as I saw it vary on websites but it looks like only 20-30% of pharmaceutical advertising is direct to consumer.
Secondly this is the information age, people are able to look anything up on the internet, including their own health decisions. Theres nothing wrong with advertising to consumers and encouraging them to become educated when it comes to their health.
Also a quick google search brought up this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3278148/
This is probably the most important point
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Although only limited data exist, research suggests that DTCPA is both beneficial and detrimental to the public health.4,6,7 The number of arguments that favor or oppose DTCPA is fairly evenly balanced, and viewpoints presented by both sides can be supported with evidence
Again its not a black and white issue.
Also this suggestion that the marketing budget is insane and "dwarfs" R&D is a joke. This is a few years old, but a simple info-graphic
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/02/Screen-Shot-2015-02-11-at-9.03.17-AM.png&w=1484)
Yes almost every company spends more on advertising than R&D, but most of them are relatively close, with only a very few closer to 2:1
Post by: Fenwyr on April 10, 2017, 02:21:19 AM
Again advertisements directly to consumers only makes up a small fraction of the total pharmaceutical advertising budget. I dont know the exact numbers as I saw it vary on websites but it looks like only 20-30% of pharmaceutical advertising is direct to consumer.You are either the best troll ever, or the dimmest bulb ever lit. I freaking give up.
Secondly this is the information age, people are able to look anything up on the internet, including their own health decisions. Theres nothing wrong with advertising to consumers and encouraging them to become educated when it comes to their health.
Also a quick google search brought up this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3278148/
This is probably the most important point
Again its not a black and white issue.
Also this suggestion that the marketing budget is insane and "dwarfs" R&D is a joke. This is a few years old, but a simple info-graphic
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/02/Screen-Shot-2015-02-11-at-9.03.17-AM.png&w=1484)
Yes almost every company spends more on advertising than R&D, but most of them are relatively close, with only a very few closer to 2:1
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Post by: mj2sexay on April 10, 2017, 09:31:29 AM
1. Because the veteran presumably didn't vote for Trump. It's not complicated.
2. The number of people who mocked Sanders supporters for for wanting "free excrement" was higher than the number of actual Sanders supporters who thought they were actually getting "free excrement".
3. I'll gladly assume the majority of Trump voters are either in favor of or apathetic to this move. It is somewhat divisive in Washington and the media but not among his core.
4. I'm trying not to leap to conclusions either, but it's hard to see a way that this plays out that doesn't eventually backfire on us.
1. Completely irrelevant. "I didn't vote for X so that allows me to cast aspersions on X and his followers even though I presumably voted for Y who wanted to institute no-fly zones and is lauding this move." K. Unless that vet voted for a non-interventionist or isolationist like Paul or Sanders which he very well might have, its a statement riddled with hypocrisy. And even then, as someone who wishes we were discussing what a Paul presidency looks like so far, its a statement you could make about the grand majority of people in this country and their attitude towards war, not just Trump supporters for very reason I said; there are a ton who wanted no part of the attack, and especially any sort of prolonged engagement into that part of the world.
2. Sure. Its only your respective candidates followers who are grounded in their expectations.
3. This has easily been the biggest wedge issue among his supporters since the inception of his Presidency.
4. Fair enough, though I respectfully disagree for the same reason that Fen and I are in agreement in our assessment of Russian leadership. They're calculating, ruthless and methodical. They also absolutely do not want to go to war. It's bad for business.
The way this backfires is if the neocons and neolibs of both parties (fat Peter King, Durbin, McCain) win out and this administration reverses course into taking the policy that Assad needs to be deposed and a "moderate" regime installed. I agree with you wholeheartedly that the policy of depose and install never works. Not in the middle east, not in south america, not anywhere.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 10, 2017, 09:33:13 AM
You are either the best troll ever, or the dimmest bulb ever lit.
Yes
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2017, 09:25:49 PM
The solution isn't as simple as people on both sides of the issue would think, and unless certain mandates thst X amount of profits need to get reinvested into R & D or something could potentially be a middle ground. I don't know what the answer is. But the whole world benefits from the US paying so damn much
Like how the whole country benefits from the wealthy paying higher tax rates?
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2017, 09:35:54 PM
1. Completely irrelevant. "I didn't vote for X so that allows me to cast aspersions on X and his followers even though I presumably voted for Y who wanted to institute no-fly zones and is lauding this move." K. Unless that vet voted for a non-interventionist or isolationist like Paul or Sanders which he very well might have, its a statement riddled with hypocrisy. And even then, as someone who wishes we were discussing what a Paul presidency looks like so far, its a statement you could make about the grand majority of people in this country and their attitude towards war, not just Trump supporters for very reason I said; there are a ton who wanted no part of the attack, and especially any sort of prolonged engagement into that part of the world.
2. Sure. Its only your respective candidates followers who are grounded in their expectations.
3. This has easily been the biggest wedge issue among his supporters since the inception of his Presidency.
4. Fair enough, though I respectfully disagree for the same reason that Fen and I are in agreement in our assessment of Russian leadership. They're calculating, ruthless and methodical. They also absolutely do not want to go to war. It's bad for business.
The way this backfires is if the neocons and neolibs of both parties (fat Peter King, Durbin, McCain) win out and this administration reverses course into taking the policy that Assad needs to be deposed and a "moderate" regime installed. I agree with you wholeheartedly that the policy of depose and install never works. Not in the middle east, not in south america, not anywhere.
There was actually a not insignificant number of Sanders supporters who were not grounded in reality - the ones who flipped to Trump.
As far as the wedge issue, we'll see how they feel in 2020 when we're in the middle of a war and they think the Dem nominee is a corrupt gay atheist satanist Muslim pedophile.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 10, 2017, 09:41:12 PM
Like how the whole country benefits from the wealthy paying higher tax rates?
Unless of course that leads to less jobs.
For the record I actually support taxing income in excess of 1 million a year at an even higher rate. But I think less than that should kept low.
I also have no issue with them fixing the way that corporate options are taxed, as that's also broken.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 11, 2017, 12:26:29 AM
Unless of course that leads to less jobs.Raising taxes consistantly leads to more jobs. I have only theories as to why, but it is true.
For the record I actually support taxing income in excess of 1 million a year at an even higher rate. But I think less than that should kept low.
I also have no issue with them fixing the way that corporate options are taxed, as that's also broken.
I don't see the need to raise taxes on the wealthy. I just want to simplify the tax code so they get less deductions. Less deductions would technically raise revenue, and everyone would share the burden.
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Post by: Johnny English on April 11, 2017, 03:24:00 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 11, 2017, 04:31:59 PM
How is it that Trump has managed to hire people as utterly, mindblowingly stupid as Sean Spicer?
He grabbed him by the hoo-ha.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 11, 2017, 04:34:17 PM
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 06:23:05 PM
Better question is who will he be hiring as his replacement
#BringBackAri
Post by: Fenwyr on April 12, 2017, 01:05:35 AM
How is it that Trump has managed to hire people as utterly, mindblowingly stupid as Sean Spicer?Have you seen the hiring manager?
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Post by: NDMick on April 12, 2017, 09:17:09 PM
Fuckin' Orange Obama bitch.
Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2017, 07:38:38 AM
This guy is a certifiable idiot. Please remove him before he starts WWIII. I don't care how it happens.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2017, 07:54:33 AM
Maybe McDonald's can start a franchise there and open all day breakfast. He'll be dead in 2 weeks.
Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2017, 09:33:11 AM
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Nothing more perfectly embodies White America than a 70 year old golfer firing missiles at the Middle East from his country club. Some sticks in the mud probably expect a host of formalities to be gone through before attacking another country: a UN investigation, or congressional approval perhaps, but personally I'm just glad to see a guy with the temperament of a mistreated circus animal launching ballistic missiles on a hunch. It seems statesmanlike and decisive. It's difficult to tell what Syria's moderate rebels are really like, as journalists can't really be embedded with them, because they'd be beheaded. But I refuse to be cynical: there's every chance that Assad's end will see a peaceful, pastoral period for Syria once groups like Allah's Flamethrower and Infidel Abattoir get round the table and good-naturedly sort out their deep seated differences on the finer points of Islamic Law. Perhaps this is a period which Syrians will one day look back on and laugh, if laughter is still allowed.
Not only will Democrats support any war Trump chooses to start, they'll be outraged by any voters who hold it against them at the next election. Hillary Clinton called for the airstrikes immediately before they happened. We'd do well to listen to the woman who is the architect of modern Libya, where her neoliberal intervention introduced the principals of the free market with such clarity that the country now has several different governments competing for the right to kill everybody. Clinton was criticised for running a tone-deaf, aloof campaign but Democrats have rallied, pointing out that many people didn't vote for Hilary because Trump is a Russian spy, and people who didn't vote for Hillary are Russian stooges, and people who voted for Hillary but not very enthusiastically are also Russian stooges, and slowly but surely the goodwill has begun to return.
Personally, I think it would be great if Putin was controlling Trump. I'd love to think there was a rational, malevolent actor directing him rather than just a combination of his own blood sugar levels and the concept of vengeance. I honestly think we'd be in less trouble if he was being controlled by the dark wizard Thoth Amon, or if his body had been taken over by a sentient bacterial civilisation that was using him as a kind of Lifeship. I'm not saying it's impossible that Trump was moved by the plight of Syria's children, perhaps in the same way that Tony Soprano got really upset when that guy killed his horse, it's just that the balance of probabilities is that he doesn't care about them, even enough not to ban them from entering his country.
The Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said that the UK government had close discussions with the US over the few days running up to the attack and had been given "advance notice of the President's final decision". Odd then, that immediately after the chemical attack the Guardian cites Downing Street officials (on a tour of despots with the prime minister in the Middle East) who, when asked about military reprisals, said “nobody is talking about that”. Sort of makes you wonder if there's any contempt that can be shown by the US that will stop us drooling about our "special relationship" like we're some kind of stalker. I doubt the Americans see us as a valued ally. We're just somewhere that they stick a few missiles. My best guess is that they think of us in the way that we would think of a shed.
At the prospect of a war, the media reacted with the exuberant joy that I remember fights bringing to a school playground. War copy sells well, and is easier to write. A good way to get a handle on the media's attitude to conflict is to try to write a thousand words on a United Nations sponsored bilateral negotiation, then the same on a missile cutting a hospital in half. The Guardian exuberantly described the "pinpoint accuracy" of Tomahawks. I'm not sure accuracy is strictly relevant when you're delivering high explosives, the ultimate variable. In the West, we've never needed the military spectaculars favoured by Soviets and dictators; the news has always been our missile parade. On MSNBC the launch of the Tomahawks was repeatedly described as "beautiful". And there is a certain beauty at that point in their trajectory. Perhaps we should focus on some other point. It would be nice to see a shot of them ten seconds before they drop on their screaming victims. Or two days later when bodies are being pulled from the rubble. Maybe a shot from ten years down the line when the shell casings form part of a makeshift gallows, reflected in the glass eye of an implacable amputee warlord. Perhaps our whole fucked up attitude to war comes from only ever seeing our missiles taking off, only ever seeing our soldiers setting out.
Ignoring international law is bad for all sorts of reasons, not least because it's the same position as Assad's. Knowing that our own resolve is only strengthened when people attack us and expecting other people's to be weakened is suggestive of a kind of racism. Pouring arms and bombs into an intractable conflict means that you are happy for it to be prolonged and worsen. Britain's activities in the Middle East historically mean we almost can't imagine what a moral position might look like. We have a huge navy that we could use to pick up the thousands of Syrians, Libyans and others scheduled to drown in the Mediterranean this year, for a fraction of the cost of the bombs we've dropped on them. I wonder if those people know, clambering onto boats with their frightened children, many of whom have never seen the sea before and will never see land again, that we aggressively tune out images like this, should they ever reach us at all. That we see all these lives we could save as part of a chaotic, insoluble mess, better not thought about; we who focus so intently on the sleek, clear lines of bombs.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2017, 11:21:41 AM
This "running the country like a business" is sure going well. For businesses.
I generally don't wish bad things on anyone, but I hope this queynte gets run over by a school bus.
Post by: Badger on April 13, 2017, 11:42:10 AM
At times Frankie Boyle gets a bit too enamoured of his own cleverness for my liking, but this is good.rekt
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2017, 11:51:48 AM
Well done. That's like part of the Presidential oath, right? "I do solemnly swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States and devalue its currency, so help me God."
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2017, 01:48:38 PM
Sure. Why not?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2017, 01:56:40 PM
We dropped the "Mother of All Bombs" on Afghanistan today.
Sure. Why not?
It was dropped on a tunnel complex. Hopefully no innocents were killed. I'm sure it wasn't cheap to do this. Did it do what it was intended to do? If so, then maybe it was a good decision. If we dropped a giant bomb that destroyed a major tunnel complex that allowed ISIS to move about freely and only killed a few ISIS shits in the process, I'm on board. If they dropped this bomb, missed the target or damaged an unimportant area or killed a bunch of civilians, I'm not.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 13, 2017, 02:07:48 PM
This nigga reverse course on everything he campaigned on.I have no idea what you are talking about, but yes?
Fuckin' Orange Obama bitch.
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Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2017, 02:10:24 PM
We dropped the "Mother of All Bombs" on Afghanistan today.
Sure. Why not?
I'm all for putting the boot in on that freaking queynte in the White House, but did the use of this bomb require Presidential approval or was it a straightforward military decision?
Post by: Fenwyr on April 13, 2017, 02:13:17 PM
It was dropped on a tunnel complex. Hopefully no innocents were killed. I'm sure it wasn't cheap to do this. Did it do what it was intended to do? If so, then maybe it was a good decision. If we dropped a giant bomb that destroyed a major tunnel complex that allowed ISIS to move about freely and only killed a few ISIS shits in the process, I'm on board. If they dropped this bomb, missed the target or damaged an unimportant area or killed a bunch of civilians, I'm not.After the lol expensive and useless syrian bombing, which I was absolutely in favor of, until it came out that didn't even freak up the runways, I am not holding my breath on this one.
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Post by: Fenwyr on April 13, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
rektThat excrement went more ways than a bisexual prostitute.
It started off ok, but went to wtf way too fast.
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Post by: Fenwyr on April 13, 2017, 02:17:40 PM
I'm all for putting the boot in on that freaking queynte in the White House, but did the use of this bomb require Presidential approval or was it a straightforward military decision?I have no freaking idea which lady garden is in charge anymore.
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Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2017, 02:19:52 PM
That excrement went more ways than a bisexual prostitute.
It started off ok, but went to wtf way too fast.
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I liked the fact that he isn't trying to pin blame on any one individual or group, but is instead pointing out that the whole thing is fucked from a variety of angles and it is time, in the modern kids' vernacular, to get woke.
And fix your Tapatalk signature please because that excrement is irritating.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2017, 02:41:23 PM
And these bombs were made almost 15 years ago, and there's "probably" less than a dozen of them in existence.
My takeaway from this is this was about flexing our dick after the recent stuff with Russia Syria Iran and North Korea happening
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
Apparently the bomb is a "bunker buster" and is the kind of bomb you would use to target nuclear facilities in Iran or North Korea (and may have been a warning to them)
And these bombs were made almost 15 years ago, and there's "probably" less than a dozen of them in existence.
My takeaway from this is this was about flexing our dick after the recent stuff with Russia Syria Iran and North Korea happening
If I could flex my dick, I'd be in the movies.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2017, 02:47:16 PM
I'm all for putting the boot in on that freaking queynte in the White House, but did the use of this bomb require Presidential approval or was it a straightforward military decision?
Yeah, it looks like the chain of command that was involved ended long before the White House. But we bombed two countries in a week. While asking China to intervene to prevent North Korea from sending a nuke airmail to the west coast.
And the bomb used today is the most powerful non-nuclear weapon in the US arsenal. I guess there's only so far you can go to make a splash after you dump a cartload of Tomahawks on someone else.
This probably more rightly belonged in the US Politics thread, but honestly, at this point, everything is "buck stops here" at 1600 Penn Ave, or Mar-a-Lago if it's not Monday through Wednesday.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2017, 02:48:28 PM
Apparently the bomb is a "bunker buster" and is the kind of bomb you would use to target nuclear facilities in Iran or North Korea (and may have been a warning to them)
And these bombs were made almost 15 years ago, and there's "probably" less than a dozen of them in existence.
My takeaway from this is this was about flexing our dick after the recent stuff with Russia Syria Iran and North Korea happening
I think you nailed it right here.
And it's a dangerous game.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2017, 02:49:39 PM
I think you nailed it right here.
And it's a dangerous game.
As an added point I think the headline of United States drops biggest non nuclear bomb ever on ISIS was the true goal of the mission
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2017, 02:53:18 PM
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-maralago-idUSKBN17F23A
Improperly stored raw meat among violations found at Trump's Mar-a-Lago
Lol
Not a hugely abnormal deal, but funny nonetheless for a highly-touted resort to get a Red Lobster-like violation.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 13, 2017, 02:54:15 PM
I liked the fact that he isn't trying to pin blame on any one individual or group, but is instead pointing out that the whole thing is fucked from a variety of angles and it is time, in the modern kids' vernacular, to get woke.The thing is, the blame overwhelmingly falls on one side. Liberals being pussies and accepting some of the blame need to stop, because sure as hell, the other side will not respond in kind.
And fix your Tapatalk signature please because that excrement is irritating.
I have tried multiple times, but the dicks have offered not a single part of the republican platform that they are willing to support and defend. Not one freaking thing.
And I have no clue how to change my tapatalk sig. Will look into it.
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Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2017, 02:54:26 PM
I think this was just some outdated excrement we had laying around, with a name that would make for an excellent headline
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2017, 02:56:42 PM
As an added point I think the headline of United States drops biggest non nuclear bomb ever on ISIS was the true goal of the mission
I think you're absolutely right there as well.
But again, it's a dangerous game. Where do you go from here? You've now shown you're willing to go almost as far as the nuclear option. So now what? Is it who blinks first? Because Kim Jong-un has already shown he's willing to send assassins to execute his own brother.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2017, 02:57:29 PM
I think you're absolutely right there as well.
But again, it's a dangerous game. Where do you go from here? You've now shown you're willing to go almost as far as the nuclear option. So now what? Is it who blinks first? Because Kim Jong-un has already shown he's willing to send assassins to execute his own brother.
This is nowhere near a nuclear option. It's just a large bomb.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 13, 2017, 02:57:41 PM
And I'm pretty sure it's not the most powerful non nuclear weapon in our arsenal. A quick Google search says the MOP is almost 50% bigger.Yes. 15 years ago called. They want this news back.
I think this was just some outdated excrement we had laying around, with a name that would make for an excellent headline
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Post by: Fenwyr on April 13, 2017, 02:59:23 PM
This is nowhere near a nuclear option. It's just a large bomb.When he drops a nuke on the fleet we just sent over, pretty much his only alternative other than surrender...
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Post by: AlioTheFool on April 13, 2017, 03:00:12 PM
This is nowhere near a nuclear option. It's just a large bomb.
What I read is that this was the most powerful non-nuclear weapon in the United States' arsenal. Again, where do you go from there?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2017, 03:03:26 PM
What I read is that this was the most powerful non-nuclear weapon in the United States' arsenal. Again, where do you go from there?
Yes but it only has like 0.085% of the explosive power of the atomic bomb we dropped on Japan or something ridiculously low (that's to the original atomic bomb, not even the modern ones) So he has a point, that this isn't remotely close to an atomic bomb.
And it's not the biggest non nuclear weapon ever, it's the biggest non nuclear bomb ever used in combat. We have bigger
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2017, 03:04:18 PM
What I read is that this was the most powerful non-nuclear weapon in the United States' arsenal. Again, where do you go from there?
I don't know, maybe dropping a bunch more of the same bomb?
There's orders of magnitude difference between the two. Plus many lines to cross before getting there. Let's slow down a little.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2017, 03:07:06 PM
I don't know, maybe dropping a bunch more of the same bomb?
There's orders of magnitude difference between the two. Plus many lines to cross before getting there. Let's slow down a little.
Well considering we only have less than a dozen of these bombs in existence it's unlikely well ever drop a bunch more
Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2017, 03:11:09 PM
And I have no clue how to change my tapatalk sig. Will look into it.
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Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2017, 03:20:16 PM
Well considering we only have less than a dozen of these bombs in existence it's unlikely well ever drop a bunch more
DROP THEM ALL AT ONCE!!!!11
Post by: Fenwyr on April 13, 2017, 03:42:01 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2017, 03:44:45 PM
Did it work?
Looks like it.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2017, 05:20:03 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on April 13, 2017, 05:28:39 PM
Was only a comment on reddit so it's validity is questionable, but I read that using this type of bomb on a tunnel complex in addition to the initial damage, the blast would suck out all the oxygen out of the expanded tunnels suffocating those in it.It depends how you hit it, but that is entirely plausable.
If the sheer weight of the bomb falling breached the tunnel, the fire from the explosion would eat up the oxygen.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2017, 05:30:03 PM
It depends how you hit it, but that is entirely plausable.
That's what she said.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 13, 2017, 05:31:55 PM
That's what she said.Knew that was coming, but kudos anyway.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2017, 05:33:46 PM
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The [blast] kill mechanism against living targets is unique–and unpleasant.... What kills is the pressure wave, and more importantly, the subsequent rarefaction [vacuum], which ruptures the lungs.... If the fuel deflagrates but does not detonate, victims will be severely burned and will probably also inhale the burning fuel. Since the most common FAE fuels, ethylene oxide and propylene oxide, are highly toxic, undetonated FAE should prove as lethal to personnel caught within the cloud as most chemical agents.
According to a U.S. Central Intelligence Agency study,[15] "the effect of an FAE explosion within confined spaces is immense. Those near the ignition point are obliterated. Those at the fringe are likely to suffer many internal, and thus invisible injuries, including burst eardrums and crushed inner ear organs, severe concussions, ruptured lungs and internal organs, and possibly blindness." Another Defense Intelligence Agency document speculates that because the "shock and pressure waves cause minimal damage to brain tissue…it is possible that victims of FAEs are not rendered unconscious by the blast, but instead suffer for several seconds or minutes while they suffocate".[16]
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2017, 05:45:41 PM
Sounds highly unpleasant yet appropriate
Great, now Syria will accuse us of using chemical weapons.
Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2017, 06:12:52 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2017, 06:24:43 PM
At least Al Qaeada / ISIS fighters are well known for staying in closely grouped, well organised and defined barracks and compounds well away from any civilians, so we can be very sure that using such weapons will only take out enemy fighters.
Well this was targeting their tunnel network, not them. Thus a bunker buster and all the headlines along with it
Post by: Miamipuck on April 13, 2017, 07:08:36 PM
I'm all for putting the boot in on that freaking queynte in the White House, but did the use of this bomb require Presidential approval or was it a straightforward military decision?
It's a large conventional bomb, the largest, it should be a military decision. That said with this administration, who knows.
I think it's a fuel air bomb, those things are sick. I am pretty sure it's so powerful the force of the explosion will pull all the air out of a given area, and collapse everything, including human beings.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 13, 2017, 07:18:31 PM
Well this was targeting their tunnel network, not them. Thus a bunker buster and all the headlines along with it
The MOAB isn't a bunker buster, a bunker buster is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m-buvo3dj4).
If you watch the video the bomb has a rocket that fires right before it hits the ground and penetrates concrete, in this case a runway. It buries itself and then explodes when it's 20-30 feet down.
The moab is a bomb delivered via parachute sled without a rocket, it just has a gyroscope,it's more like a daisy cutter and it's definitely not a concrete penetrating bomb, from the wiki on the MOAB:
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The MOAB is not a penetrator weapon and is primarily intended for soft to medium surface targets covering extended areas and targets in a contained environment such as a deep canyon or within a cave system.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2017, 07:20:09 PM
It's a large conventional bomb, the largest, it should be a military decision. That said with this administration, who knows.
I think it's a fuel air bomb, those things are sick. I am pretty sure it's so powerful the force of the explosion will pull all the air out of a given area, and collapse everything, including human beings.
Read online it did not require presidential approval. Whether it got it anyway who knows
Post by: dcm1602 on April 13, 2017, 07:30:25 PM
The MOAB isn't a bunker buster, a bunker buster is this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m-buvo3dj4).
If you watch the video the bomb has a rocket that fires right before it hits the ground and penetrates concrete, in this case a runway. It buries itself and then explodes when it's 20-30 feet down.
The moab is a bomb delivered via parachute sled without a rocket, it just has a gyroscope,it's more like a daisy cutter and it's definitely not a concrete penetrating bomb, from the wiki on the MOAB:
That makes sense. I just assumed because it was so heavy thst it was made to penetrate (unlike traditional bombs where they just drop a crap ton)
A lot of the media is calling it a bunker buster, but what you're saying makes sense. They're all also saying to attack a nuclear facility (Iran or Korea) you'd have to use the MOP which is substantially bigger
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2017, 07:46:58 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 13, 2017, 08:02:07 PM
That makes sense. I just assumed because it was so heavy thst it was made to penetrate (unlike traditional bombs where they just drop a crap ton)
A lot of the media is calling it a bunker buster, but what you're saying makes sense. They're all also saying to attack a nuclear facility (Iran or Korea) you'd have to use the MOP which is substantially bigger
A mop is an order of magnitude bigger than that bomb in the video, the rocket they use on it probably makes it that big. The rocket allows it to bury itself from the supersonic propulsion. I think it can bury itself more that 200 feet into solid reinforced concrete. It's really classified but some stuff I have read says the 200 ft estimate. That's crazy, I think we're the only country that could destroy the Iranian facilities in a conventional manner. Although, I would bet the Israeli's have gotten their hands on that just in case.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 13, 2017, 08:02:38 PM
Miamipuck- JO ordnance expert
You better look under your car in the morning.
Post by: IATA on April 13, 2017, 08:58:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 13, 2017, 09:14:49 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 14, 2017, 08:45:51 AM
That said, the price of the weapon we used could pay for Planned Parenthood (which was quietly defunded yesterday while everyone was talking about the bomb), Meals on Wheels, and the NEA. Obviously, the weapon already existed as a sunk cost but the hypocrisy of "take care of home" while defunding our own programs and spending money dropping dozens of bombs on the other side of the world is worthy of the attention its getting.
Post by: Tommy on April 14, 2017, 10:12:09 AM
Clearly, the initial reports were wrong regarding the MOAB's stature in our armory. I'll take responsibility for not waiting until the information was vetted before posting yesterday. Admittedly, I was fired up early because of DeVos' deregulatory action so I was ready to pounce on anything anti-administration.
That said, the price of the weapon we used could pay for Planned Parenthood (which was quietly defunded yesterday while everyone was talking about the bomb), Meals on Wheels, and the NEA. Obviously, the weapon already existed as a sunk cost but the hypocrisy of "take care of home" while defunding our own programs and spending money dropping dozens of bombs on the other side of the world is worthy of the attention its getting.
I didn't want to get sucked back into this thread, but it's an "America First" foreign policy. ISIS threatens us, so we're doing what we can to eradicate them.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 14, 2017, 10:40:57 AM
I didn't want to get sucked back into this thread, but it's an "America First" foreign policy. ISIS threatens us, so we're doing what we can to eradicate them.
You know you can't quit this.
As for ISIS, I'm 100% in favor of its eradication. It's the hypocrisy I can't stomach. Also, like I said, that queynte DeVos pissed me off a lot yesterday and it put me squarely in attack mode.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2017, 12:18:18 PM
Clearly, the initial reports were wrong regarding the MOAB's stature in our armory. I'll take responsibility for not waiting until the information was vetted before posting yesterday. Admittedly, I was fired up early because of DeVos' deregulatory action so I was ready to pounce on anything anti-administration.
That said, the price of the weapon we used could pay for Planned Parenthood (which was quietly defunded yesterday while everyone was talking about the bomb), Meals on Wheels, and the NEA. Obviously, the weapon already existed as a sunk cost but the hypocrisy of "take care of home" while defunding our own programs and spending money dropping dozens of bombs on the other side of the world is worthy of the attention its getting.
At the same time you gotta think about what kind of impact this will have with all the other excrement going on in the world. I mean the stuff with Syria Russia and North Korea was all very recent and very major. So something like this does play a psychological role, as well as a place in the media and the public/International attitudes.
I m certainly not saying it's justified or not, simply because I'm obviously completely clueless and completely ignorant to the details and implications
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 14, 2017, 12:29:06 PM
At the same time you gotta think about what kind of impact this will have with all the other excrement going on in the world. I mean the stuff with Syria Russia and North Korea was all very recent and very major. So something like this does play a psychological role, as well as a place in the media and the public/International attitudes.
I m certainly not saying it's justified or not, simply because I'm obviously completely clueless and completely ignorant to the details and implications
Yeah, definitely.
The more I think about it, the more the MOAB reeks of "Oh, Kim Jong, you saw us drop a billion dollars on an airstrip and then you said you were gonna fire a nuke at us? Let us show you some more of what we have sitting in a back room."
Post by: Fenwyr on April 14, 2017, 01:05:17 PM
At the same time you gotta think about what kind of impact this will have with all the other excrement going on in the world. I mean the stuff with Syria Russia and North Korea was all very recent and very major. So something like this does play a psychological role, as well as a place in the media and the public/International attitudes.We are destabilizing faster than W's team could have ever dreamed. 8 years of normalizing excrement, now this. If the world still exists, wake me up when it's over.
I m certainly not saying it's justified or not, simply because I'm obviously completely clueless and completely ignorant to the details and implications
Post by: bojanglesman on April 14, 2017, 01:09:57 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 14, 2017, 02:23:29 PM
I don't think this bomb is any kind of statement regarding size (much like that article JE posted). I think it was appropriate for what they were trying to do. Seemed to work quite well according to initial reports. If an exploding tampon could have done the same thing, they'd have dropped that.
Well size in the regards that it was the biggest non nuclear bomb ever used in combat. Plus the name and the headline were unquestionably a significant part of the operation.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 14, 2017, 03:12:21 PM
In 1999, Pence ran an op-ed on the website for The Mike Pence Show, arguing that Mulan, the Disney movie based on a story about young woman who took her father's place in the army in Han Dynasty-era China, is liberal propaganda aimed at changing "the next generation’s attitude about women in combat," according to Buzzfeed.
"Despite her delicate features and voice, Disney expects us to believe that Mulan’s ingenuity and courage were enough to carry her to military success on an equal basis with her cloddish cohorts," wrote Pence.
And it's not just Mulan's "delicacy" that bothers Pence. "It is instructive that even in the Disney film, young Ms. Mulan falls in love with her superior officer! Me thinks the politically correct Disney types completely missed the irony of this part of the story," he wrote.
You see, now stay with me on this, many young men find many young women to be attractive sexually. Many young women find many young men to be attractive sexually. Put them together, in close quarters, for long periods of time, and things will get interesting. Just like they eventually did for young Mulan. Moral of story: women in military, bad idea."
Post by: Fenwyr on April 14, 2017, 03:25:17 PM
"Before Indiana Governor Mike Pence was Donald Trump's running mate, he was a talk radio show host—with strong opinions about Disney films.So Pence is an idiot. Didn't you vote for him? I am confused.
In 1999, Pence ran an op-ed on the website for The Mike Pence Show, arguing that Mulan, the Disney movie based on a story about young woman who took her father's place in the army in Han Dynasty-era China, is liberal propaganda aimed at changing "the next generation’s attitude about women in combat," according to Buzzfeed.
"Despite her delicate features and voice, Disney expects us to believe that Mulan’s ingenuity and courage were enough to carry her to military success on an equal basis with her cloddish cohorts," wrote Pence.
And it's not just Mulan's "delicacy" that bothers Pence. "It is instructive that even in the Disney film, young Ms. Mulan falls in love with her superior officer! Me thinks the politically correct Disney types completely missed the irony of this part of the story," he wrote.
You see, now stay with me on this, many young men find many young women to be attractive sexually. Many young women find many young men to be attractive sexually. Put them together, in close quarters, for long periods of time, and things will get interesting. Just like they eventually did for young Mulan. Moral of story: women in military, bad idea."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 14, 2017, 03:32:23 PM
So Pence is an idiot. Didn't you vote for him? I am confused.
Haha freak no man. I voted for a possibly bigger idiot though.
Post by: NDMick on April 14, 2017, 03:45:07 PM
"Before Indiana Governor Mike Pence was Donald Trump's running mate, he was a talk radio show host—with strong opinions about Disney films.
In 1999, Pence ran an op-ed on the website for The Mike Pence Show, arguing that Mulan, the Disney movie based on a story about young woman who took her father's place in the army in Han Dynasty-era China, is liberal propaganda aimed at changing "the next generation’s attitude about women in combat," according to Buzzfeed.
"Despite her delicate features and voice, Disney expects us to believe that Mulan’s ingenuity and courage were enough to carry her to military success on an equal basis with her cloddish cohorts," wrote Pence.
And it's not just Mulan's "delicacy" that bothers Pence. "It is instructive that even in the Disney film, young Ms. Mulan falls in love with her superior officer! Me thinks the politically correct Disney types completely missed the irony of this part of the story," he wrote.
You see, now stay with me on this, many young men find many young women to be attractive sexually. Many young women find many young men to be attractive sexually. Put them together, in close quarters, for long periods of time, and things will get interesting. Just like they eventually did for young Mulan. Moral of story: women in military, bad idea."
Evangelists are America's home grown ISIS.
Post by: Badger on April 14, 2017, 09:59:41 PM
Haha freak no man. I voted for a possibly bigger idiot though.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170415/f92278a79fa9943600a9f32a09ec3827.jpg)
Post by: Badger on April 14, 2017, 10:00:16 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2017, 07:14:36 AM
For the record, I believe Johnson is objectively more intelligent than Pence and definitely Trump.
I agree, as well as the looney toon on the other side of the aisle who keeps complaining about millionaire and billionaires.
Though I will say Hillary is very probably more intelligent than all 4
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2017, 08:24:34 AM
I agree, as well as the looney toon on the other side of the aisle who keeps complaining about millionaire and billionaires.
Though I will say Hillary is very probably more intelligent than all 4
Hillary
Johnson
Bernie
Pence
Trump
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2017, 08:34:23 AM
Hillary
Johnson
Bernie
Pence
Trump
Pretty sure Bernie is the name that doesn't belong with all the rest, all the others went on and had major success in their careers. Bernie is a freaking protestor and hippie who has been parroting the same nonsense for 40 years
Otherwise I agree with the rest of that order. Is Bernie a nice guy and better person than some of the others there sure. But he's done dick
Post by: bojanglesman on April 15, 2017, 08:50:48 AM
HillaryIs that your first round board? Bernie's 3 cone time will drop him.
Johnson
Bernie
Pence
Trump
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 15, 2017, 11:57:09 AM
Pretty sure Bernie is the name that doesn't belong with all the rest, all the others went on and had major success in their careers. Bernie is a freaking protestor and hippie who has been parroting the same nonsense for 40 years
Otherwise I agree with the rest of that order. Is Bernie a nice guy and better person than some of the others there sure. But he's done dick
If your opinion on Bernie is 100% true the guy should be on the top of the list. Making a lucrative career out of being a lazy hippie and all.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2017, 12:30:14 PM
If your opinion on Bernie is 100% true the guy should be on the top of the list. Making a lucrative career out of being a lazy hippie and all.
The guy is 74 and his networth ranges all over the place (from 200k to 1 million), but for somebody his age still working full time that's not good at all. Especially considering he has generated a hefty income with a plethora of pensions.
And there's lots of morons in public office, not sure why that should be an achievement
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2017, 02:31:42 PM
Pretty sure Bernie is the name that doesn't belong with all the rest, all the others went on and had major success in their careers. Bernie is a freaking protestor and hippie who has been parroting the same nonsense for 40 years
Otherwise I agree with the rest of that order. Is Bernie a nice guy and better person than some of the others there sure. But he's done dick
You realize you've been fed a narrative, right?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2017, 02:33:34 PM
You realize you've been fed a narrative, right?
Take political views and biases out of the picture and no sane person would have Bernie as anything but the least successful person on that list.
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2017, 02:38:06 PM
Take political views and biases out of the picture and no sane person would have Bernie as anything but the least successful person on that list.
Stay on topic, we're ranking intelligence.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2017, 02:41:38 PM
Stay on topic, we're ranking intelligence.
People associate intelligence with success. Trump ran an international billion dollar empire, Hillary a massive political machine as well as her legal accomplishments, Pence also a lawyer, Johnson a successful business man. Sanders is some kind of activitist protestor in the middle of nowhere who only became relevant when he piggybacked on a populist message during economic strife.
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2017, 02:43:07 PM
People associate intelligence with success. Trump ran an international billion dollar empire, Hillary a massive political machine as well as her legal accomplishments, Pence also a lawyer, Johnson a successful business man. Sanders is some kind of activitist protestor in the middle of nowhere who only became relevant when he piggybacked on a populist message during economic strife.
If you're going to be outright dishonest or detached from reality, what's the point in continuing this?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2017, 02:48:30 PM
If you're going to be outright dishonest or detached from reality, what's the point in continuing this?
Correct me then, I haven't read the biographies on any of these people I'm certainly no expert. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, I have no issue admitting that. I have no scientific way of measuring the intelligence of these people, which is why I'm basing my opinion off their educational background and career success.
The other 4 were extremely successful out of politics. Unless I am mistaken Sanders was never successful in or out of politics (yes he was a career politician, where he made more money than most Americans as a poliitican which I suppose you could make the argument makes him a successful politician, but much less so than everybody else mentioned except Johnson )
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2017, 02:57:15 PM
Clinton: married a future POTUS and rode his coat tails into public office.
Trump: born rich and got richer in the most idiot proof business for rich people: real estate.
Again, we were taking about who's the smartest and then you veered off into your personal definition of success as a measure of intelligence.
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2017, 03:04:44 PM
To include all the candidates who ran in the primaries, I'd put Clinton and Cruz on top, Trump and Chafee on the bottom, and everyone else somewhere in the middle. I'm not particularly interested in figuring out who's smarter between guys like Rubio and O'Malley.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2017, 03:05:57 PM
If I applied the standard you set on Sanders to the others it would look like this:
Clinton: married a future POTUS and rode his coat tails into public office.
Trump: born rich and got richer in the most idiot proof business for rich people: real estate.
Again, we were taking about who's the smartest and then you veered off into your personal definition of success as a measure of intelligence.
At least I used something relatively objective to compare the 5,if not exactly accurate. How would you measure the comparative intelligence of them?
Post by: dcm1602 on April 15, 2017, 03:10:51 PM
If I applied the standard you set on Sanders to the others it would look like this:
Clinton: married a future POTUS and rode his coat tails into public office.
Trump: born rich and got richer in the most idiot proof business for rich people: real estate.
Again, we were taking about who's the smartest and then you veered off into your personal definition of success as a measure of intelligence.
Also Hillary beat Sanders, and Trump beat Hillary to become the most powerful man in the world.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 15, 2017, 11:21:06 PM
Also Hillary beat Sanders, and Trump beat Hillary to become the most powerful man in the world.
Serious here, you tard up threads like no one's business. Every single intellectual debate you participate in is made dumber. I have to say it's quite a unique ability.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 16, 2017, 07:36:44 AM
Serious here, you tard up threads like no one's business. Every single intellectual debate you participate in is made dumber. I have to say it's quite a unique ability.
Have you read these forums? It's not that unique of an ability
And there's very little intellectual about this thread
Post by: Tommy on April 16, 2017, 10:05:44 AM
If I applied the standard you set on Sanders to the others it would look like this:
Clinton: married a future POTUS and rode his coat tails into public office.
Trump: born rich and got richer in the most idiot proof business for rich people: real estate.
Again, we were taking about who's the smartest and then you veered off into your personal definition of success as a measure of intelligence.
Real estate development is definitely not an "idiot proof" business. Anyone who's had any involvement with real estate in NYC knows that it's extremely difficult to get things approved and built.
Also, going from a residential development company that built low income housing in BK/Queens to Manhattan and international is not easy. That was a major leap and a great accomplishment that you can't just attribute to "being born rich". You can't assume that success happens just because you have money. Trump's brother decided to just sit on his dad's wealth and drink himself to death. His other siblings went on to other fields. Trump decided to take his father's company and turn it into a multinational conglomerate. You don't accomplish that by being "rich and dumb".
Post by: Fenwyr on April 16, 2017, 10:57:52 AM
Real estate development is definitely not an "idiot proof" business. Anyone who's had any involvement with real estate in NYC knows that it's extremely difficult to get things approved and built.Buying land is the safest investment there is. He borrowed money from other people and bought low. He made good choices, but that doesn't make him a genius.
Also, going from a residential development company that built low income housing in BK/Queens to Manhattan and international is not easy. That was a major leap and a great accomplishment that you can't just attribute to "being born rich". You can't assume that success happens just because you have money. Trump's brother decided to just sit on his dad's wealth and drink himself to death. His other siblings went on to other fields. Trump decided to take his father's company and turn it into a multinational conglomerate. You don't accomplish that by being "rich and dumb".
When he made bad choices he screwed them up epically. The rare times he puts coherent sentences together they sound like the ravings of a lunatic. He dropped 60 bombs in a week to kill 40 people, with a 150 million dollar pricetag.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 16, 2017, 11:09:23 AM
I do
Post by: Tommy on April 16, 2017, 11:10:29 AM
Buying land is the safest investment there is. He borrowed money from other people and bought low. He made good choices, but that doesn't make him a genius.
When he made bad choices he screwed them up epically. The rare times he puts coherent sentences together they sound like the ravings of a lunatic. He dropped 60 bombs in a week to kill 40 people, with a 150 million dollar pricetag.
I didn't say he was a genius, but you can't dismiss his achievements as "well he was born rich and real estate is a safe investment". It's not just buying real estate, it's developing buildings and golf courses. There's a excrement ton of complex things that are involved in that.
Those bombs are already paid for and they have a shelf life. And if you had bothered to read why the MOAB was used you would understand that it wasn't just to "kill terrorists". ISIS in the region took a hit operationally. They worked out of and hid along that network of tunnels. This crippled their operations a lot, so it was very effective. Also, Trump is letting the military do their thing. He's not just firing from the hip.
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2017, 07:05:34 AM
At least I used something relatively objective to compare the 5,if not exactly accurate. How would you measure the comparative intelligence of them?Listen to them talk.
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2017, 07:06:21 AM
Real estate development is definitely not an "idiot proof" business. Anyone who's had any involvement with real estate in NYC knows that it's extremely difficult to get things approved and built.He never would have done it if he wasn't born rich.
Also, going from a residential development company that built low income housing in BK/Queens to Manhattan and international is not easy. That was a major leap and a great accomplishment that you can't just attribute to "being born rich". You can't assume that success happens just because you have money. Trump's brother decided to just sit on his dad's wealth and drink himself to death. His other siblings went on to other fields. Trump decided to take his father's company and turn it into a multinational conglomerate. You don't accomplish that by being "rich and dumb".
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2017, 07:08:25 AM
Anyone remember that time that real estate almost collapsed the world economy less than 10 years ago?Good thing for Trump he didn't get started 10 years ago. Instead he was handed a small empire at a time where all you had to do was buy real estate and watch it increase in value.
I do
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2017, 07:09:05 AM
Also Hillary beat Sanders, and Trump beat Hillary to become the most powerful man in the world.Trump also beat Cruz. Doesn't make him smarter or more qualified than Cruz.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 18, 2017, 09:36:03 AM
Trump also beat Cruz. Doesn't make him smarter or more qualified than Cruz.Cruz did filibuster by reading green eggs and ham. Both of them are NSFL.
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2017, 12:13:46 PM
Discuss.
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2017, 12:17:44 PM
Cruz did filibuster by reading green eggs and ham. Both of them are NSFL.I think many of his policies are reprehensible and a Cruz presidency would likely be worse for me personally than Trump's, but he's still smarter than the vast majority of the field that ran.
Post by: Johnny English on April 18, 2017, 03:11:22 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/17/trump-sign-buy-american-hire-american-executive-order/100582276/
Discuss.
In principle it's not a dreadful idea, even if it does potentially cause some issues with NAFTA. On a personal level it's quite promising as the Canadian government is one of my major customers, and if the US decides to start giving preference to US customers then the Canadian tech lobby will press hard for the Canadian government to reciprocate.
Of course, as with everything else that the Trump administration has done, it's a stupid kneejerk action with little actual thought being put into what it's going to achieve and it's doomed to failure. H1B visas are used extensively by the tech industry to hire coders, and if that gets shut down the outcome will not be that thousands of unemployed American developers will suddenly find themselves being given work. The tech industry will simply outsource more projects to shitty overseas coding shops, resulting in more money leaving the US and worse product being returned. It will actually benefit Canada far more than the US, at least in the software industry, because companies will simply bring their development houses here. It's already happening, in fact - Google and Apple have both opened up major development groups in Ontario in the last few months, and Ford has announced that it will be based all of its in car tech development out of Ottawa.
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2017, 03:40:21 PM
The tech industry will simply outsource more projects to shitty overseas coding shops, resulting in more money leaving the US and worse product being returned. It will actually benefit Canada far more than the US, at least in the software industry, because companies will simply bring their development houses here. It's already happening, in fact - Google and Apple have both opened up major development groups in Ontario in the last few months, and Ford has announced that it will be based all of its in car tech development out of Ottawa.
Maybe Canada will give have to give visas to American coders to keep up with demand.
Post by: reuben on April 20, 2017, 02:46:47 PM
Post by: Tommy on April 20, 2017, 02:50:16 PM
Post by: Badger on April 20, 2017, 09:04:46 PM
These people vote.
Post by: Johnny English on April 20, 2017, 10:14:18 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170421/c5d5db4f01fae5c039626cf19162e4fc.jpg)Well. You let them. The sooner they introduce a basic IQ test for voting the better.
These people vote.
Post by: Tommy on April 20, 2017, 10:45:52 PM
Well. You let them. The sooner they introduce a basic IQ test for voting the better.
This assumes that people with high IQs are incapable of making bad decisions.
Post by: Badger on April 20, 2017, 11:15:43 PM
This assumes that people with high IQs are incapable of making bad decisions.
Chemtrails are turning the frogs gay
Post by: Johnny English on April 21, 2017, 07:45:55 AM
This assumes that people with high IQs are incapable of making bad decisions.
No it doesn't.
Post by: Badger on April 21, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 21, 2017, 02:18:56 PM
http://thehill.com/policy/international/asia-pacific/329751-south-korea-to-trump-weve-never-been-part-of-china
The joke is over now. Ha ha, very funny. Can you put the real President in charge now please?
Post by: MBGreen on April 21, 2017, 02:20:22 PM
Oh FFS.
http://thehill.com/policy/international/asia-pacific/329751-south-korea-to-trump-weve-never-been-part-of-china
The joke is over now. Ha ha, very funny. Can you put the real President in charge now please?
the real president is Charlie Campbell of Walterfootball.com
enjoy your aids.
Post by: sg3 on April 22, 2017, 04:06:18 AM
Oh FFS.Seriously America
http://thehill.com/policy/international/asia-pacific/329751-south-korea-to-trump-weve-never-been-part-of-china
The joke is over now. Ha ha, very funny. Can you put the real President in charge now please?
We need a Constitutional amendment so that, in the future, people like Trump with IQs less than 50 will not be allowed to run for POTUS
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Post by: Badger on April 22, 2017, 11:59:58 AM
Not a single member of Congress who represents the territory on the southwest border said they support President Donald Trump’s request for $1.4 billion to begin construction of his promised wall, according to a Wall Street Journal survey, testing the administration’s ability to reach a deal on government funding next week.
Post by: MBGreen on April 22, 2017, 01:01:18 PM
Seriously America
We need a Constitutional amendment so that, in the future, people like Trump with IQs less than 50 will not be allowed to run for POTUS
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are you the result of an incestuous relationship?
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2017, 08:31:37 PM
“Federal funding that bears no meaningful relationship to immigration enforcement cannot be threatened merely because a jurisdiction chooses an immigration-enforcement strategy of which the president disapproves,” federal judge William Orrick wrote.
The preliminary injunction blocks the federal government from enforcing Section 9(a) of the executive order nationwide while legal proceedings continue. That section authorized the attorney general to “take appropriate enforcement action” against “sanctuary jurisdictions” that “willfully refuse to comply” with Section 1373, a provision in federal immigration law that bars local jurisdictions from refusing to provide immigration-status information to federal agents.
Orrick determined, however, that Section 9(a)’s broad language, coupled with the new restrictions, likely went beyond what was authorized by federal law. “The order’s attempt to place new conditions on federal funds is an improper attempt to wield Congress’s exclusive spending power and is a violation of the Constitution’s separation-of-powers principles,” he concluded.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/federal-judge-sanctuary-cities-order-trump/524316/?utm_source=atlfb
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2017, 07:55:10 AM
Post by: sg3 on April 26, 2017, 08:04:06 AM
are you the result of an incestuous relationship?Shhhh. Quiet, moron..
Let adults handle stuff
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Post by: Tommy on April 26, 2017, 08:27:53 AM
Aren't you all getting bored of all this winning?
I don't like this arbitrary "100 Day" marker that the media and politicians stress. I don't even know why Trump (well I do know) even acknowledges it. If I were President, I'd just say "Hey, freak that 100 days excrement. You have me for 1,459 days at least. Talk to me then."
Post by: Miamipuck on April 26, 2017, 09:40:35 AM
I don't like this arbitrary "100 Day" marker that the media and politicians stress. I don't even know why Trump (well I do know) even acknowledges it. If I were President, I'd just say "Hey, freak that 100 days excrement. You have me for 1,459 days at least. Talk to me then."
I believe it was Trump that started the 100 day countdown himself, so they're using a metric he asked for. Also pretty much all the modern Presidents have gotten the same 100 days and all of them have done hardly anything in that time because it's incredibly short to accomplish something important. Especially in DC.
Post by: Coach K on April 26, 2017, 09:57:37 AM
I believe it was Trump that started the 100 day countdown himself, so they're using a metric he asked for. Also pretty much all the modern Presidents have gotten the same 100 days and all of them have done hardly anything in that time because it's incredibly short to accomplish something important. Especially in DC.
This
Although him swearing he wouldn't have time to golf because he'd be so busy working hard is hilarious since he lives I FL. At this point . His wife and the cost to protect her for her WH refusal is infuriating.
The chocolate cake was so good I forgot which country we bombed
You can only expect so much in 100 days . But a rocky start would be generous
P.s. Sean Spicer and the cryptkeeper Conway
Post by: bojanglesman on April 26, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on April 26, 2017, 10:41:19 AM
Repeal the ACA and replace it with something much better and cheaper for all Americans.
Defeat ISIS.
Pass an infrastructure bill.
Pass tax reform. The only one that can still happen, and the plan on the table would add 1 trillion to the debt.
There are some smaller things he tried to do, but the courts shut that excrement down.
The only thing he has accomplished is draining 100 million from us taxpayers for golfing vacations.
Oh, and he did get a supreme court justice in, who's first vote was to murder a man that was either innocent, or victim of a complete meltdown of the judiciary process.
Post by: Tommy on April 26, 2017, 11:03:52 AM
Well, he was the one that specifically said he would do the following in his first 100 days:
Repeal the ACA and replace it with something much better and cheaper for all Americans.
Defeat ISIS.
Pass an infrastructure bill.
Pass tax reform. The only one that can still happen, and the plan on the table would add 1 trillion to the debt.
There are some smaller things he tried to do, but the courts shut that excrement down.
The only thing he has accomplished is draining 100 million from us taxpayers for golfing vacations.
Oh, and he did get a supreme court justice in, who's first vote was to murder a man that was either innocent, or victim of a complete meltdown of the judiciary process.
Wrong.
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf
He said he'd pursue all of those, and he did. He didn't promise to finalize everything in 100 days.
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
Shhhh. Quiet, moron..
Let adults handle stuff
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settle down, old man...or i'll take your pills away from you.
Post by: sg3 on April 26, 2017, 03:51:41 PM
settle down, old man...or i'll take your pills away from you.
sorry
No time for dumbs$$es any more
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Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2017, 03:54:29 PM
sorry
No time for dumbs$$es any more
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you should probably let nature take it's course then...and take the long nap.
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2017, 04:13:13 PM
This is a really stupid idea that works brilliantly for me. I sell to the public sector of Canada and they're very cognisant of NAFTA regs, if Trump takes it off the table then all of my main competition - which is all US companies - will be massively disadvantaged.
Obviously it's not going to happen because the US isn't that stupid, but it's really impressive how utterly bonkers Trump is.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 26, 2017, 04:27:24 PM
Obviously it's not going to happen because the US isn't that stupid, but it's really impressive how utterly bonkers Trump is.
the other day he actually said 'congratulations' to somebody who was being awarded a purple heart. not a 'thank you for your service/sacrifice', but a 'congratulations, tremendous!'
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2017, 05:08:06 PM
And then if they somehow do get to the table to renegotiate the agreement, Trump is going to get dismantled. Negotiating complex international trade agreements is nothing at all like the kind of deals that he has done, and he is going to get pushed around because he doesn't understand the first thing about what he's trying to achieve.
Add it to the list of comical Trump freak ups.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 26, 2017, 05:13:46 PM
Wrong.Did you listen to any of his campaign speeches? Holy excrement man.
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf
He said he'd pursue all of those, and he did. He didn't promise to finalize everything in 100 days.
Did you really just site donaldjtrump.com as a source?
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2017, 05:18:45 PM
Did you listen to any of his campaign speeches? Holy excrement man.
Did you really just site donaldjtrump.com as a source?
Donald Trump says that Donald Trump is doing an excellent job as President of the United States, and he's the President of the United States so he should know.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 27, 2017, 09:35:15 AM
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 09:54:04 AM
His giraffe looking daughter/lover is as stupid as him. Confirmed via Germany sighting.
I honestly don't get the Ivanka hate. She seems very sincere in what she hopes to accomplish within the administration.
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2017, 09:56:05 AM
I honestly don't get the Ivanka hate. She seems very sincere in what she hopes to accomplish within the administration.
Like the rest of that family, she's a nasty ignorant bitch who's out to feather her own nest. If she was ugly you wouldn't give a freak.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Like the rest of that family, she's a nasty ignorant bitch who's out to feather her own nest. If she was ugly you wouldn't give a freak.
She's always been an advocate for women in the workplace, their rights, etc. And this is way before Trump was even thinking about running for office. You may not like her father or his policies, but nothing she has ever said, at least to me, should warrant the kind of hate I hear coming from the Left.
Post by: sg3 on April 27, 2017, 10:07:47 AM
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Post by: Fenwyr on April 27, 2017, 10:13:17 AM
She's always been an advocate for women in the workplace, their rights, etc. And this is way before Trump was even thinking about running for office. You may not like her father or his policies, but nothing she has ever said, at least to me, should warrant the kind of hate I hear coming from the Left.You really should ask the Trump family to adopt you.
Hillary fights for women and children for 30 years and you hate her. Ivanka pretends to give a excrement for 1 year, while 6 year olds are making 10 dollars a day to make her shitty clothing line in China.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2017, 10:18:56 AM
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 10:25:55 AM
You really should ask the Trump family to adopt you.
Hillary fights for women and children for 30 years and you hate her. Ivanka pretends to give a excrement for 1 year, while 6 year olds are making 10 dollars a day to make her shitty clothing line in China.
I don't hate Hillary because of her views on women's rights, etc. There were many reasons why people including me didn't like her.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2017, 10:29:29 AM
I don't hate Hillary because of her views on women's rights, etc. There were many reasons why people including me didn't like her.
Do you even see what you did there?
You said you don't understand why Ivanka is so bitterly despised, given she's an advocate for women, but Clinton's advocacy has nothing to do with why you don't like her.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 10:33:27 AM
To be clear, I'm not pointing a finger at Tommy here because I've never seen him do it, but the same people that try to defend Ivanka today (who has actively pursued a life in politics now) have been shitting on Chelsea Clinton (who was simply taken along for the ride to Washington) for 20 years now.
Aside from calling her ugly and all that, I really don't recall people shitting on her unless she started spouting off political rants on Twitter, etc. Ivanka hasn't really been vocal in politics in her career, but has, as I said, been an advocate for women in the workplace for many years as a private citizen.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 10:34:49 AM
Do you even see what you did there?
You said you don't understand why Ivanka is so bitterly despised, given she's an advocate for women, but Clinton's advocacy has nothing to do with why you don't like her.
But that's all Ivanka's been doing. She got booed during a conference about women's rights, etc. All because she defended her father. Then she gets called names for no real reason. What has she done, I'm being honest, for her to warrant such hate? We can all name a ton of reasons why Hillary is disliked.
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2017, 10:49:33 AM
But that's all Ivanka's been doing. She got booed during a conference about women's rights, etc. All because she defended her father. Then she gets called names for no real reason. What has she done, I'm being honest, for her to warrant such hate? We can all name a ton of reasons why Hillary is disliked.
Well, gee, Tommy, I don't know. Why would someone who is attending a conference on women's rights to defend Mr "I just grab them by the hoo-ha" be booed? It's beyond me.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 11:01:36 AM
Well, gee, Tommy, I don't know. Why would someone who is attending a conference on women's rights to defend Mr "I just grab them by the hoo-ha" be booed? It's beyond me.
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The solutions and the tactical means to get to the right outcome will differ. And I think one of the great opportunities we have as we travel and as we talk to knowledgeable and informed people is to find out what's worked in their countries and cultures. I know that Chancellor Merkel just this past March, you passed an equal-pay legislation to promote transparency and to try to finally narrow that gender pay gap. And that's something we should all be looking at — to see the efficacy of that policy as it gets rolled out. So there's this robust dynamic ad and ever-moving discussion, it's a political discussion, it's policy-oriented as we think about paid leave. Sadly, the United States is one of the only countries in the world, the only developed country in the world, that doesn't have a paid-leave policy for the benefit of families, so that is something I'm very proud of my father's advocacy, long before he came into the presidency, he championed this in the primaries. He's been a tremendous champion of supporting families and enabling them to thrive in the new reality of —”
[Audible booing for the audience]
This is exactly what she said. I can't think of anything that she said that should warrant negative reactions from everyone on the Left, who almost certainly believe in the same things she does.
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
This is exactly what she said. I can't think of anything that she said that should warrant negative reactions from everyone on the Left, who almost certainly believe in the same things she does.
Really, Tommy? You can't think of anything at all? Let me try and help you out then.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-pulls-back-obama-era-protections-women-workers-n741041
If she's proud of her father she's either immensely stupid or a nasty, disingenuous bitch. The fact that she had the freaking balls to go to a conference on women's rights and then actually claim that her father is anything other than an evil piece of excrement who hates women and has exactly freak all interest in equality in any way, shape or form makes me think it's mostly the former with a sprinkling of the latter.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 11:17:02 AM
Really, Tommy? You can't think of anything at all? Let me try and help you out then.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-pulls-back-obama-era-protections-women-workers-n741041
If she's proud of her father she's either immensely stupid or a nasty, disingenuous bitch. The fact that she had the freaking balls to go to a conference on women's rights and then actually claim that her father is anything other than an evil piece of excrement who hates women and has exactly freak all interest in equality in any way, shape or form makes me think it's mostly the former with a sprinkling of the latter.
That article completely distorts what that law was and why it was repealed. It has nothing to do with Trump not caring about women's labor rights, but more to do with getting rid of a mountain of regulations imposed by the government. If you look at the law itself, which I did just now, there's a massive amount of red tape to go through just to get a bid in for government contractual work. How the hell is anything going to get done when a company has to go through all that nonsense? He was right to do that.
It's your opinion that Trump is a misogynist and that he hates women. He's been hiring women for top jobs at his company for decades.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-a-champion-of-women-his-female-employees-think-so/2015/11/23/7eafac80-88da-11e5-9a07-453018f9a0ec_story.html?utm_term=.46e8e3322245
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2017, 11:18:24 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2017, 11:31:19 AM
We're talking about a man who was filmed openly admitting sexual assault.
I guess if you use the absolute literal meaning of misogynist, he may not be "prejudiced" against women or "hate" them any more than every other human being, but arguing that he doesn't openly see women as garbage and targets for his own personal abusive pleasure is utterly ridiculous.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 11:33:51 AM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
Whatever. I'm not having this argument again.But why?
Post by: Fenwyr on April 27, 2017, 11:47:04 AM
Whatever. I'm not having this argument again.This is probably your best course of action.
Trump is a lying, sleezy, cheating pig of a human being.
The daughter, that he has admitted he wants to freak, still stands up for him.
She's a grown up. Granted she has no freaking idea what it's like to grow up in the real world, but she is a grown up.
Every second she defends the piece of excrement that is her father... That's on her. The fact that she can talk for 5 minutes without saying a god damned thing is on her too.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2017, 11:48:36 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2017, 11:49:44 AM
Like the rest of that family, she's a nasty ignorant bitch who's out to feather her own nest. If she was ugly you wouldn't give a freak.
Glad I haven't missed much in the way of hot political takes since I've posted.
I'd have a a modicum of respect for this position if just once over the last decade you complained about Chelsea Clinton ever offering effusive praise about her father. Or is Bill all of a sudden a paragon of virtue when it comes to misogyny?
Just out of curiosity, does the idiocy above include Baron?
Ivanka does have a decent set of fake boobies. Can we agree on that?
She's a total babe.
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2017, 01:37:52 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2017, 02:10:16 PM
WTF does any of this have to do with Clinton? Given Big Willy walked out of the White House when you were at a guess no older than about 13 or 14, you have a weird obsession with that family. There have been two full term Presidents since he left, but for some reason everything still apparently has to be filtered through the lens of "how does this compare to Bill Clinton?".
There's a certain hypocrisy in demanding the daughter cry about and pay for the sins of the father when this has never ever been the standard before.
Plus you can say its not topical, but who was on the cover of Variety this month?
Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2017, 02:18:10 PM
There's a certain hypocrisy in demanding the daughter cry about and pay for the sins of the father when this has never ever been the standard before.
Plus you can say its not topical, but who was on the cover of Variety this month?
Not that I have the slightest interest in indulging your Clinton fantasies, but Chelsea Clinton was a 13 year old schoolgirl when her Dad took office and a 21 year old university student when he left. She wasn't in any way part of the President's team and she wasn't a spokesperson for her father or the office of the President, self appointed or otherwise. The two aren't even remotely comparable except in your twisted imagination.
And I haven't the first freaking clue who was on the cover of Variety this month because I'm not a bored housewife.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 27, 2017, 02:19:55 PM
Not that I have the slightest interest in indulging your Clinton fantasies, but Chelsea Clinton was a 13 year old schoolgirl when her Dad took office and a 21 year old university student when he left. She wasn't in any way part of the President's team and she wasn't a spokesperson for her father or the office of the President, self appointed or otherwise. The two aren't even remotely comparable except in your twisted imagination.
Exactly what I was talking about earlier today.
And I haven't the first freaking clue who was on the cover of Variety this month because I'm not a bored housewife.
Hahahahahahaha
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2017, 02:34:33 PM
Not that I have the slightest interest in indulging your Clinton fantasies, but Chelsea Clinton was a 13 year old schoolgirl when her Dad took office and a 21 year old university student when he left. She wasn't in any way part of the President's team and she wasn't a spokesperson for her father or the office of the President, self appointed or otherwise. The two aren't even remotely comparable except in your twisted imagination.
And I haven't the first freaking clue who was on the cover of Variety this month because I'm not a bored housewife.
What fantasies? Did he or did he not use a cigar to freak Monica? I don't even give a excrement but if we're going to talk about misogyny.
She has done nothing but attempted to further espouse both her mother and fathers point of view, doing nothing to differentiate herself. Her continued insistence on remaining in the public eye and the media insistence on keeping her there make the comparison directly pertinent.
As far as the bored housewife, maybe not but you sure do complain about Ivana like how a dumb queynte who sits at home would.
Post by: sg3 on April 27, 2017, 02:37:20 PM
None of President Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II or Obama (or probably any of 39 men that preceded them engaged in such unprecedented and probably illegal nepotism.
Not to mention also appointing Preppy Nerd Jared the Son in Law to the same level.
Thankfully the Orange retarded Orangutan and golfer still has Tommyanne among the 30 or so percent of Americans that don't want him impeached, convicted and imprisoned
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Post by: Johnny English on April 27, 2017, 02:39:35 PM
What fantasies? Did he or did he not use a cigar to freak Monica? I don't even give a excrement but if we're going to talk about misogyny.
She has done nothing but attempted to further espouse both her mother and fathers point of view, doing nothing to differentiate herself. Her continued insistence on remaining in the public eye and the media insistence on keeping her there make the comparison directly pertinent.
As far as the bored housewife, maybe not but you sure do complain about Ivana like how a dumb queynte who sits at home would.
Wowzer. This post is entering whole new worlds of weird. For your own mental health, you should probably let it go.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 27, 2017, 03:14:37 PM
Glad I haven't missed much in the way of hot political takes since I've posted.
I'd have a a modicum of respect for this position if just once over the last decade you complained about Chelsea Clinton ever offering effusive praise about her father. Or is Bill all of a sudden a paragon of virtue when it comes to misogyny?
Just out of curiosity, does the idiocy above include Baron?
She's a total babe.
Bill's actions were wrong. He did nothing illegal. If we want to go on heresay about what he did, then same rule would have to apply to Trump. So, assuming every accusation is true, Bill sexually harassed homely middle aged women. Trump got underage girls high as freak and raped them.
But lets stick to what we do know.
Bill had some sort of consensual sex with Monica. He reconciled with his wife and they stayed together. Done.
Bill had a diverse cabinet including a female AG.
Trump admitted, and bragged about, molesting women without consent.
Trump admitted, and bragged about, walking in on pageant contestants when he knew they would be mostly naked.
Trump cheated on Ivana with Marla and left Ivana for her. Trump cheated on Marla with Melania and left Marla for her.
Trump said on TV he would be with Ivanka if she wasn't his daughter.
Bill was not a perfect gentleman, but compared to Trump he was a saint.
Chelsea has mostly kept to herself. Why you want to compare her to the tone deaf FDOTUS, I have no idea.
Speaking of Ivanka... Horrible fake teeth, fake funbags that daddy bought for her, giraffe neck, borderline anorexic. Pass.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2017, 03:43:10 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2017, 03:46:03 PM
What fantasies? Did he or did he not use a cigar to freak Monica? I don't even give a excrement but if we're going to talk about misogyny.
misogyny vs infidelity (although both shitty) and consensual freaky sex acts, different things
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She has done nothing but attempted to further espouse both her mother and fathers point of view, doing nothing to differentiate herself. Her continued insistence on remaining in the public eye and the media insistence on keeping her there make the comparison directly pertinent.
why must you always reach and grasp at straws in your arguments? JE was talking about the fact that the girl acts like she is all for women's rights yet looks completely hypocritical when she says nothing of her father's horrible comments or acts vs women. your argument would make sense if chelsea was some huge world advocate against infidelity but still refused to say a word against her father's actions.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 27, 2017, 03:56:24 PM
^you lost me when you judge disparaged fake jugs.I understand. I just don't like them. I like the big naturals.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 04:36:09 PM
Bill had a diverse cabinet including a female AG.
Trump has two women in his cabinet, including a minority. And another minority woman in his sub-cabinet.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 04:38:31 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on April 27, 2017, 04:41:40 PM
Trump has two women in his cabinet, including a minority. And another minority woman in his sub-cabinet.AG is somewhat more important. His highest level woman as edsec is a freaking moron.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 27, 2017, 04:43:05 PM
Also, I think cheating on your spouse while being president is way worse than cheating on your spouse way before you even ran for president. It's funny how Fen calls Bill's affair with an intern WHILE IN OFFICE as "just some sort of consensual sex"; whereas he bashes Trump for cheating on his ex-wives.Cheating is cheating. Trump would still be doing it if he wasn't a disgusting 70 year old cowman.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 27, 2017, 04:44:50 PM
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 04:46:44 PM
AG is somewhat more important. His highest level woman as edsec is a freaking moron.
Oh get the hell out of here with that nonsense. Your argument was that Bill has more respect for women because he had one in his cabinet. Trump has three. Now you're gasping for straws trying to walk back out of that one.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
Cheating is cheating. Trump would still be doing it if he wasn't a disgusting 70 year old cowman.
Trump cheated, Bill cheated, I'd wager most presidents cheated at some point. Who cares? Why is this even an argument? Does cheating mean you have no respect for women?
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2017, 04:48:47 PM
Cheating is cheating. Trump would still be doing it if he wasn't a disgusting 70 year old cowman.
Agree. Cheating is shitty no matter what. freak cheaters.
And by all accounts, Bill got a blowjob, and didn't leave his wife.
I don't think whether it's a hummer, regular sex, or a triple penetration derriere session, it'll all cheating and all equally as bad. Are you telling me you'd be any less upset if your wife blew another guy instead of banged him?
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 04:49:09 PM
And by all accounts, Bill got a blowjob, and didn't leave his wife.
Your head is so far up the Clinton's derriere you can kiss him on the lips.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 27, 2017, 04:49:23 PM
Trump cheated, Bill cheated, I'd wager most presidents cheated at some point. Who cares? Why is this even an argument? Does cheating mean you have no respect for women?
Cheating means you at least have no respect for that person.
Post by: Tommy on April 27, 2017, 04:56:02 PM
Cheating means you at least have no respect for that person.
Right, but just because I have no respect for you doesn't mean I have no respect for any man.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 27, 2017, 04:57:01 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on April 27, 2017, 06:35:27 PM
goddamnit it's far more than just cheating/infidelity with trump, i can't believe i even have to make this postI tried. I tried and failed. Tommy will just be Tommy.
Post by: Tommy on April 28, 2017, 09:11:11 AM
goddamnit it's far more than just cheating/infidelity with trump, i can't believe i even have to make this post
Give me a break. Bill Clinton had an affair with a White House intern, fucked her in the god damn Oval Office, lied about it under oath (which is illegal and why he was impeached, Fen, despite you saying he didn't do anything illegal), yet somehow Trump is literally Hitler for cheating on his ex-wives and getting married three times.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 28, 2017, 09:26:00 AM
goddamnit it's far more than just cheating/infidelity with trump, i can't believe i even have to make this post
I'm glad someone finally did because reading the last few posts I was thinking "Who the freak cares about people cheating on their spouses?! That's between them. I give a freak that the sitting POTUS openly brags about sexual assault!"
Post by: Miamipuck on April 28, 2017, 09:27:03 AM
Yeah as much as I hate Trump, it's laughable bringing infidelity up with regard to him and conveniently forget that Clinton's rooster was out of his zipper more than in.
What I can't bring myself to understand is the creep factor with Trump, his sexual excrement with his daughter is freaking beyond creepy. That dude is a freaking weirdo.
Post by: Fenwyr on April 28, 2017, 09:28:57 AM
Give me a break. Bill Clinton had an affair with a White House intern, fucked her in the god damn Oval Office, lied about it under oath (which is illegal and why he was impeached, Fen, despite you saying he didn't do anything illegal), yet somehow Trump is literally Hitler for cheating on his ex-wives and getting married three times.Knock it off with hyperbole. Nobody said Trump was Hitler, just that he is even more of a sleeze than Clinton.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 28, 2017, 09:30:59 AM
Knock it off with hyperbole. Nobody said Trump was Hitler, just that he is even more of a sleeze than Clinton.
I disagree, Clinton is sleezier than Trump, Trump has the lock on creepy.
Post by: Tommy on April 28, 2017, 09:43:01 AM
Knock it off with hyperbole.
That's hilarious coming from you. All your politics-related posts are filled with hyperbole. All of them.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2017, 10:49:48 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2017, 10:51:57 AM
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"I loved my previous life. I had so many things going," Trump said. "This is more work than in my previous life. I thought it would be easier."
SO. MUCH. WINNING.
Post by: MBGreen on April 28, 2017, 10:55:05 AM
It's going to be a long 4 years.
Post by: sg3 on April 28, 2017, 11:06:16 AM
Trump has two women in his cabinet, including a minority. And another minority woman in his sub-cabinet.Plus he also has his daughter/sex partner in his sub cabinet too
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Post by: sg3 on April 28, 2017, 11:08:13 AM
Your head is so far up the Clinton's derriere you can kiss him on the lips.Pot meet kettle
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Post by: Tommy on April 28, 2017, 11:22:44 AM
US economic growth in Q1 was 0.7%, a massive miss against the forecast of 2.1%. Please, Donald, stop winning. Everyone is so tired of it already.
What? The consensus forecast was 0.9%. The Q4 2016 growth rate was 2.1%. Largely due to less government and consumer spending, which is typical during Q1 of any year.
But if you want to measure Trump's first quarter using one statistic, how about some others?
- Employment cost index (or wages) increased by 0.8% in Q1 against a consensus forecast of 0.6%. Biggest increase since 2007.
- Investment in homebuilding jumped 13.7%
- Fixed business investments increased 10.4%, way better than the last two years when it's been pretty stagnant.
- Exports remained steady, increasing 5.8% while imports increased 4.1%
- And inflation hit 2.4% easily topping the Fed's 2% target for the first time in several years.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-economy-posts-slowest-growth-in-three-years-first-quarter-gdp-shows-2017-04-28
Post by: Tommy on April 28, 2017, 11:24:17 AM
Plus he also has his daughter/sex partner in his sub cabinet too
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Ivanka's position isn't anywhere close to cabinet-level. She's an assistant. That's like saying The First Lady is a sub-cabinet position.
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2017, 11:30:56 AM
What? The consensus forecast was 0.9%. The Q4 2016 growth rate was 2.1%. Largely due to less government and consumer spending, which is typical during Q1 of any year.
But if you want to measure Trump's first quarter using one statistic, how about some others?
- Employment cost index (or wages) increased by 0.8% in Q1 against a consensus forecast of 0.6%. Biggest increase since 2007.
- Investment in homebuilding jumped 13.7%
- Fixed business investments increased 10.4%, way better than the last two years when it's been pretty stagnant.
- Exports remained steady, increasing 5.8% while imports increased 4.1%
- And inflation hit 2.4% easily topping the Fed's 2% target for the first time in several years.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-economy-posts-slowest-growth-in-three-years-first-quarter-gdp-shows-2017-04-28
Sorry, you're right. I mixed up the Q4 numbers and the forecast. Year on year comparison isn't pretty, although much of it seems to be due to drops in consumer spending (mild winter resulting in lower heating bills) and government spending (mainly defense).
Exports aren't going to stay strong though, because the dollar is too strong against most currencies right now. I've never known it be so expensive to visit the US, and political uncertainty in Europe and the UK is going to result in much the same situation for them.
Post by: sg3 on April 28, 2017, 12:03:32 PM
Ivanka's position isn't anywhere close to cabinet-level. She's an assistant. That's like saying The First Lady is a sub-cabinet position.If that is so, then why did Rancid Priebus issue a written order that both the cheesy chinese garment mfr and the flak vest over Brooks Bros son in law be called "Secretaries"??
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Post by: bojanglesman on April 28, 2017, 12:11:58 PM
Rancid Priebus
Really?
Post by: Johnny English on April 28, 2017, 12:32:38 PM
Really?
I'd have gone with Rancid Priapus. You have to commit to these things.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 28, 2017, 01:41:01 PM
Give me a break. Bill Clinton had an affair with a White House intern, fucked her in the god damn Oval Office, lied about it under oath (which is illegal and why he was impeached, Fen, despite you saying he didn't do anything illegal), yet somehow Trump is literally Hitler for cheating on his ex-wives and getting married three times.
you apparently missed my point completely, so maybe my post was necessary, or maybe people are just feigning ignorance. anyways, alio's post made right after yours explains what i was talking about -- this is a guy that openly bragged about sexually assaulting women, saying that he was a star and that they wouldn't say anything about it, that you just grab their pussies and they'll like that excrement
bill cheating on his wife makes him a POS of course but all we could infer from that is that he loves hoo-ha like the rest of us do. until he gets caught making some heinously fucked up, predatory, and misogynistic comments about women, the nature of women, and how you should act towards them the way trump did then there is no comparison between them, trump's excrement is on another level.
Post by: Tommy on April 29, 2017, 05:01:09 PM
you apparently missed my point completely, so maybe my post was necessary, or maybe people are just feigning ignorance. anyways, alio's post made right after yours explains what i was talking about -- this is a guy that openly bragged about sexually assaulting women, saying that he was a star and that they wouldn't say anything about it, that you just grab their pussies and they'll like that excrement
bill cheating on his wife makes him a POS of course but all we could infer from that is that he loves hoo-ha like the rest of us do. until he gets caught making some heinously fucked up, predatory, and misogynistic comments about women, the nature of women, and how you should act towards them the way trump did then there is no comparison between them, trump's excrement is on another level.
Clinton cheated with a White House employee, lied about it, and had multiple women accuse him of the same.
Trump said some excrement, but no one came forward and said they were sexually assaulted by him. You'd think if he were really such a misogynist pig then you'd hear more from victims rather than just conjecture. If that video is your only proof then you're really reaching.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 29, 2017, 05:21:12 PM
Trump said some excrement, but no one came forward and said they were sexually assaulted by him. You'd think if he were really such a misogynist pig then you'd hear more from victims rather than just conjecture. If that video is your only proof then you're really reaching.
oh my goodness, what is going on here. i'm about to waste my time breaking down something really simple that's going to fall on deaf ears as per usual
you act like these were accusations against him made by others. he got caught in his own words saying these things, about himself.
you can break down what he was caught saying into different aspects, i'll break them down into 2.
1 - his general attitude and thoughts towards women
2 - his actions and conduct towards women
for the first, you don't need any accusations from others for any sort of validation in regards to its truth. he, in his own words, described his thoughts, attitude, and ideas vs women.
furthermore, possessing this mindset against women, even if he HYPOTHETICALLY never did anything wrong vs women, is a deplorable mindset to have for anybody, let alone a person sitting as the POTUS, and it should absolutely be called out and criticized. the fact that you're ignoring this simple reality is inexcusable. the conversation should really end here, but his nonsensical defenders like you grasp, reach, and extend the conversation further into irrational corners in trying to build nonexistent points of defense for him. no accusations from others are needed in order to justify calling somebody out for possessing a mindset such as his.
for the second, again, he was, in his own words, describing the things HE did with women, the way he behaved with women, because they wanted it/loved it/he could do it/he was a superstar and they wouldn't say anything about it. you don't need any accusations against him for validation of this either, he self-willingly admitted that's what he does.
are you seriously going to sit there and say 'well, i'm going to sit and wait for accusations to actually pile up against him before i give donald trump excrement for his OWN statements, regarding his OWN behavior towards women, that he self-willingly volunteered to others around him'?
if that is the case, then either:
1. you're being ridiculous
2. even you are admitting that you cannot take anything trump says at face value because he just bullshits so freaking much
i will not waste time on this any further
Post by: Tommy on April 29, 2017, 05:26:38 PM
oh my goodness, what is going on here. i'm about to waste my time breaking down something really simple that's going to fall on deaf ears as per usual
you act like these were accusations against him made by others. he got caught in his own words saying these things, about himself.
you can break down what he was caught saying into different aspects, i'll break them down into 2.
1 - his general attitude and thoughts towards women
2 - his actions and conduct towards women
for the first, you don't need any accusations from others for any sort of validation in regards to its truth. he, in his own words, described his thoughts, attitude, and ideas vs women.
furthermore, possessing this mindset against women, even if he HYPOTHETICALLY never did anything wrong vs women, is a deplorable mindset to have for anybody, let alone a person sitting as the POTUS, and it should absolutely be called out and criticized. the fact that you're ignoring this simple reality is inexcusable. the conversation should really end here, but his nonsensical defenders like you grasp, reach, and extend the conversation further into irrational corners in trying to build nonexistent points of defense for him. no accusations from others are needed in order to justify calling somebody out for possessing a mindset such as his.
for the second, again, he was, in his own words, describing the things HE did with women, the way he behaved with women, because they wanted it/loved it/he could do it/he was a superstar and they wouldn't say anything about it. you don't need any accusations against him for validation of this either, he self-willingly admitted that's what he does.
are you seriously going to sit there and say 'well, i'm going to sit and wait for accusations to actually pile up against him before i give donald trump excrement for his OWN statements, regarding his OWN behavior towards women, that he self-willingly volunteered to others around him'?
if that is the case, then either:
1. you're being ridiculous
2. even you are admitting that you cannot take anything trump says at face value because he just bullshits so freaking much
i will not waste time on this any further
Yeah, pointless wasting time on it because you're just accusing him of being a misogynist. People just like labeling others, and if you say it enough then everyone will believe it to be true.
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 29, 2017, 05:33:58 PM
Post by: sg3 on April 29, 2017, 07:33:47 PM
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Post by: ons on April 30, 2017, 12:56:17 PM
Trump said some excrement, but no one came forward and said they were sexually assaulted by him.
lol
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/10/all-the-women-accusing-trump-of-rape-sexual-assault.html
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2017, 04:06:05 PM
lol
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/10/all-the-women-accusing-trump-of-rape-sexual-assault.html
Fake news
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2017, 10:58:56 AM
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2017, 02:23:53 PM
Did anyone see his latest interviews? He has gone headlong off the precipice. We're watching a man's mental health disintegrate in the most public manner imaginable.I don't go out of my way to endure more Trump than I need to, but did you see the bit about him handing out electoral college result maps to people? The election was 5 months ago...
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
I don't go out of my way to endure more Trump than I need to, but did you see the bit about him handing out electoral college result maps to people? The election was 5 months ago...
I did. Can't blame him, need to keep reminding people about all that winning.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 01, 2017, 02:33:21 PM
He didn't bother reading the constitution, you know, the owners manual, before taking office.
His knowledge of US history is laughable. There is no way in hell he would get 25% on the citizenship test, much less pass.
His world history is somehow even worse. If he didn't see something about it in TV in the last 48 hours, he has no talking points.
I would call it early stages of dimentia, but when all you have known for 70 years is being rich and real estate, it's a tough call.
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2017, 05:30:38 PM
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President Trump made a puzzling claim about Andrew Jackson and the Civil War in an interview.
Speaking to the Washington Examiner, Trump wondered why issues that triggered the war “could not have been worked out” in order to prevent the bloody conflict. Trump praised the accomplishments of Jackson, the populist president he has cited as a role model.
He made the puzzling claim that Jackson “was really angry that he saw what was happening in regard to the Civil War.” But Jackson died in 1845, and the Civil War didn't begin until 16 years later, in 1861.
Trump then said, “People don't ask the question, but why was there the Civil War?”
The war was decades in the making, stemming from disputes between the North and South about slavery and states' rights.
Post by: Tommy on May 01, 2017, 05:34:38 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2017, 05:46:04 PM
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“Just as dessert was being served, the president explained to Mr. Xi he had something he wanted to tell him, which was the launching of 59 missiles into Syria,” Ross said. “It was in lieu of after-dinner entertainment.”
As the crowd laughed, Ross added: “The thing was, it didn’t cost the president anything to have that entertainment.”
Post by: Fenwyr on May 01, 2017, 06:58:03 PM
His base would still defend it.
Post by: Badger on May 01, 2017, 10:50:46 PM
lol @ Union soldiers paid by George Soros and the Huffington Post
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2017, 09:34:47 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2017, 05:54:31 AM
-Hildawg
Post by: Jumbo on May 04, 2017, 06:05:04 AM
“It wasn’t a perfect campaign; there is no such thing. But I was on the way to winning until a combination of Jim Comey’s letter on Oct. 28 and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off. The evidence for that intervening event is, I think is compelling and persuasive.”
-Hildawg
Russian WikiLeaks sounds like one of Trump's nicknames. Sad!
Post by: Coach K on May 04, 2017, 07:46:24 AM
https://youtu.be/L4vqBmHl0CE
lol @ Union soldiers paid by George Soros and the Huffington Post
stolen on fb and tagged you in it for improper measure.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2017, 08:24:15 AM
“It wasn’t a perfect campaign; there is no such thing. But I was on the way to winning until a combination of Jim Comey’s letter on Oct. 28 and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off. The evidence for that intervening event is, I think is compelling and persuasive.”
-Hildawg
She really should stop talking about this. It's an awful look, whether it's true or not. It comes off as whining, crying, and refusing to take blame. It's cringeworthy. In the end, it never should have been close enough for any of the excrement she's talking about to matter. She lost the election to a terrible candidate. All she had to do was hover, make no waves politically and watch Trump kill himself publicly. All she needed to do was just take a knee and run out the clock.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2017, 08:41:09 AM
She really should stop talking about this. It's an awful look, whether it's true or not. It comes off as whining, crying, and refusing to take blame. It's cringeworthy. In the end, it never should have been close enough for any of the excrement she's talking about to matter. She lost the election to a terrible candidate. All she had to do was hover, make no waves politically and watch Trump kill himself publicly. All she needed to do was just take a knee and run out the clock.
She should shut her yapper, she lost because she's a disgusting hateful unlikeable queynte. The people that voted for her didn't even like her, they voted for her because she wasn't Trump. If your biggest attribute is, you're not the other guy, it probably means you suck as a candidate.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2017, 09:51:37 AM
And I do like her.
Maybe don't speak for everyone?
EDIT: Also, why should she stop talking about it? There's a very real chance that illegal activity put someone in the White House. Someone who still, half a year after "winning", discusses the awesomeness and legitimacy of his "winning."
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
I didn't speak for idiots.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2017, 10:28:41 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 10:53:59 AM
“It wasn’t a perfect campaign; there is no such thing. But I was on the way to winning until a combination of Jim Comey’s letter on Oct. 28 and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off. The evidence for that intervening event is, I think is compelling and persuasive.”To be fair, because I assume that's all you heard from the interview, she blamed herself and her campaign as well. When pressed she agreed that those 2 items were a tipping point.
-Hildawg
If she had spent more time on the ground in the rust belt, she would have won regardless.
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2017, 10:58:48 AM
Barack Obama snorted cocaine and considered a gay fling, new biography claims (https://www.yahoo.com/news/barack-obama-snorted-cocaine-considered-113610590.html)We knew about the cocaine already.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 11:02:47 AM
I voted for her.I cannot stand listening to her sometimes, but I am convinced, based on a lifetime of resume, that she has a good heart. 100 days into her presidency, we would not be talking about war with Korea, or staring down the barrel of a death sentence for thousands of Americans, or have multiple investigations into Russian collusion, or spending hundreds of millions on vacations, or questioning why she's cockholstering (thank you Colbert) the most vile leaders on the planet.
And I do like her.
Maybe don't speak for everyone?
EDIT: Also, why should she stop talking about it? There's a very real chance that illegal activity put someone in the White House. Someone who still, half a year after "winning", discusses the awesomeness and legitimacy of his "winning."
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 11:08:36 AM
And we would be debating an infrastructure bill at this point.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2017, 11:14:38 AM
To be fair, because I assume that's all you heard from the interview, she blamed herself and her campaign as well. When pressed she agreed that those 2 items were a tipping point.
If she had spent more time on the ground in the rust belt, she would have won regardless.
I read most of the interview, just cherry picked that quote because it made me lol
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 11:16:01 AM
Barack Obama snorted cocaine and considered a gay fling, new biography claims (https://www.yahoo.com/news/barack-obama-snorted-cocaine-considered-113610590.html)This is why I hate biographies. As the author, you get to pick and choose whatever random BS and create your own narative. Then the idiots reading it think it is fact.
It's like movies that start off with 'Based on a true story'.
With that said, if he did a bunch of drugs in college, thought about banging guys, got great grades... WGAF?
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 11:17:31 AM
I read most of the interview, just cherry picked that quote because it made me lolYeah, admittedly, I saw it live and immediately thought, taken out of context this is cringe worthy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2017, 11:17:54 AM
Post by: sg3 on May 04, 2017, 11:17:54 AM
Barack Obama snorted cocaine and considered a gay fling, new biography claims (https://www.yahoo.com/news/barack-obama-snorted-cocaine-considered-113610590.html)
Books of The Times
By MICHIKO KAKUTANI
RISING STAR
The Making of Barack Obama
By David J. Garrow
1,460 pages. William Morrow. $45.
“Rising Star,” the voluminous 1,460-page biography of Barack Obama by David J. Garrow, is a dreary slog of a read: a bloated, tedious and — given its highly intemperate epilogue — ill-considered book that is in desperate need of editing, and way more exhausting than exhaustive
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Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2017, 11:23:05 AM
All politicians should be required to do the following things before being eligible for election:
- serve in either an armed force or an emergency service for at least a year
- work a minimum wage job for at least six months
- try at least three narcotics
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2017, 11:24:03 AM
Books of The Times
By MICHIKO KAKUTANI
RISING STAR
The Making of Barack Obama
By David J. Garrow
1,460 pages. William Morrow. $45.
“Rising Star,” the voluminous 1,460-page biography of Barack Obama by David J. Garrow, is a dreary slog of a read: a bloated, tedious and — given its highly intemperate epilogue — ill-considered book that is in desperate need of editing, and way more exhausting than exhaustive
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The headline stated he wanted to suck rooster. I thought it was funny.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2017, 11:28:46 AM
I cannot stand listening to her sometimes, but I am convinced, based on a lifetime of resume, that she has a good heart. 100 days into her presidency, we would not be talking about war with Korea, or staring down the barrel of a death sentence for thousands of Americans, or have multiple investigations into Russian collusion, or spending hundreds of millions on vacations, or questioning why she's cockholstering (thank you Colbert) the most vile leaders on the planet.
It's fair not to like her. It's fair to have "held your nose" and voted for her anyway.
Dimwits claiming that everyone who voted for her, hated her, are wrong.
I took one of those "who do you align with" quizzes before the election, and fell between her and Bernie. I think I leaned about 5% more towards her. Personally, I've always thought she was a good politician who always served her constituents as a Senator. I also think she was a good Sec. of State and for all the "Benghazi happened on her watch" whining, along with President Obama, she oversaw the operation when SEAL Team 6 executed the greatest direct threat to this nation since WWII.
But she's a "whiny queynte" or "hateful bitch" or whatever. Meanwhile, an admitted rapist sits in the White House.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 11:31:06 AM
Frankly, I'm not sure I especially trust anyone who has had the opportunity to try cocaine and decided not to. "No thanks, I don't like feeling amazing" is a weird mentality.
All politicians should be required to do the following things before being eligible for election:
- serve in either an armed force or an emergency service for at least a year
- work a minimum wage job for at least six months
- try at least three narcotics
I've tried just about everything. No needles, no smoking stuff that's meant to be snorted.
It was more 'what the hell is the big deal with this?' and ohhhh. I probably shouldn't do this anymore. Purely scientific.
To add to your list of minimum requirements.
Pass the citizenship test.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2017, 11:47:56 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2017, 11:55:19 AM
I've never done drugs except when prescribed. I don't begrudge anyone who has. Hell, I'm jealous. I know me and I know I'd be addicted easily. I've taken an opiate for pain after having my wisdom teeth removed. It felt so freaking wonderful. I stopped after about 2 or 3 doses.
Same here.
I drink like a fish, but that's it. I don't gamble either. I have a ridiculously addictive personality.
Post by: ukilledkenny on May 04, 2017, 12:03:08 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
I've tried my fair share. I wish every single person could mentally handle shrooms or LSD. Truly feeling that everything you have ever known or believed could be wrong is a powerful experience.
I preferred shrooms back in the day. You never knew what you were getting with LSD.
There is a reason pretty much every ancient culture practiced vision quests, and you pretty much nailed it on the head.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 12:10:02 PM
Same here.I find alcohol to be the most addictive thing I ever tried. Cigarettes as well. If someone walked up with a suitcase of GHB I'd be in trouble, but I don't miss anything else after almost 15 years.
I drink like a fish, but that's it. I don't gamble either. I have a ridiculously addictive personality.
As to gambling... I play 3-4 times a week. Limit myself to $40 of video poker. Usually can last me for as long as we feel like staying. Free drinks. Good conversation. Occasional $1000 payout. Usually we leave even money, after tips.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2017, 12:43:17 PM
I find alcohol to be the most addictive thing I ever tried. Cigarettes as well. If someone walked up with a suitcase of GHB I'd be in trouble, but I don't miss anything else after almost 15 years.
As to gambling... I play 3-4 times a week. Limit myself to $40 of video poker. Usually can last me for as long as we feel like staying. Free drinks. Good conversation. Occasional $1000 payout. Usually we leave even money, after tips.
For some weird reason, despite alcoholism being a genetic issue, it's the only thing I don't "need." I quit smoking a decade ago and still crave it.
When I was 18, I drove down to Atlantic City because a bunch of my co-workers went and I figured "why not?" I wound up alone at 4 in the morning playing slots and the only reason I didn't start digging into my credit card was because someone from security came up to me and asked me for ID and kicked me out.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 01:11:27 PM
For some weird reason, despite alcoholism being a genetic issue, it's the only thing I don't "need." I quit smoking a decade ago and still crave it.Eep! Yeah, that's not a good sign, but I pulled the same thing when I was younger. $2 blackjack. Usually it was fine, but I had a bad night luck wise. Too much booze didn't help. Drained the ATM $40 at a time. Ended up at a strip club.
When I was 18, I drove down to Atlantic City because a bunch of my co-workers went and I figured "why not?" I wound up alone at 4 in the morning playing slots and the only reason I didn't start digging into my credit card was because someone from security came up to me and asked me for ID and kicked me out.
Nowadays they charge you up to $10 to get cash from the ATM at the casinos. That's not going to happen. We only go with cash that we are willing to lose. If you go in with that mindset, I will not be pissed if I lose 40, 100, 1000, this is for fun, if I win that's gravy. You will be OK. If you go expecting to win, you already lost.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
It's fair not to like her. It's fair to have "held your nose" and voted for her anyway.
Dimwits claiming that everyone who voted for her, hated her, are wrong.
Hahah I would rather be dim than be an idiot.......lol I knew you would fire back.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2017, 02:27:38 PM
It's fair not to like her. It's fair to have "held your nose" and voted for her anyway.
Dimwits claiming that everyone who voted for her, hated her, are wrong.
I took one of those "who do you align with" quizzes before the election, and fell between her and Bernie. I think I leaned about 5% more towards her. Personally, I've always thought she was a good politician who always served her constituents as a Senator. I also think she was a good Sec. of State and for all the "Benghazi happened on her watch" whining, along with President Obama, she oversaw the operation when SEAL Team 6 executed the greatest direct threat to this nation since WWII.
But she's a "whiny queynte" or "hateful bitch" or whatever. Meanwhile, an admitted rapist sits in the White House.
Both can be true.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2017, 02:30:49 PM
I've never done drugs except when prescribed. I don't begrudge anyone who has. Hell, I'm jealous. I know me and I know I'd be addicted easily. I've taken an opiate for pain after having my wisdom teeth removed. It felt so freaking wonderful. I stopped after about 2 or 3 doses.
I took an opiates several times once for broken bones and torn ligament. Anyway, it did nothing for me except make me dizzy, I didn't like them at all. The only time a pain pill actually worked was when I would get a crushing headache. I always gave mine away.
The thing that works best for me is Napricin or Aleve's same excrement, whenever I get an injury that's the best thing for me but I usually just sit through and take the pain.
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2017, 02:36:11 PM
I took an opiates several times once for broken bones and torn ligament. Anyway, it did nothing for me except make me dizzy, I didn't like them at all. The only time a pain pill actually worked was when I would get a crushing headache. I always gave mine away.
The thing that works best for me is Napricin or Aleve's same excrement, whenever I get an injury that's the best thing for me but I usually just sit through and take the pain.
Yeah, I don't like opiates much.
I have a theory, as someone who has tried quite a range of narcotics over the years, that we naturally gravitate towards the chemicals that accentuate our default personality. So for a mouthy dickhead like me, opiates and weed were a fairly uncomfortable and unpleasant experience while amphetamines and cocaine were a world of joy.
Now I'm old and moderately responsible so don't go near anything other than booze, but I'd be lying if I said that I don't still miss blow every now and again despite it being years since I last touched it.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2017, 02:58:45 PM
Yeah, I don't like opiates much.
I have a theory, as someone who has tried quite a range of narcotics over the years, that we naturally gravitate towards the chemicals that accentuate our default personality. So for a mouthy dickhead like me, opiates and weed were a fairly uncomfortable and unpleasant experience while amphetamines and cocaine were a world of joy.
Now I'm old and moderately responsible so don't go near anything other than booze, but I'd be lying if I said that I don't still miss blow every now and again despite it being years since I last touched it.
That's a pretty good theory.
Opiates clearly affect people differently. Some people can't tolerate them. When I take them, it feels like I'm bathing in awesomeness and nothing in my life is a problem anymore.
Never had anything amphetamine-wise besides coffee. My wife would like that because it puts me in a cleaning/getting excrement done mood.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2017, 03:04:27 PM
Yeah, I don't like opiates much.
I have a theory, as someone who has tried quite a range of narcotics over the years, that we naturally gravitate towards the chemicals that accentuate our default personality. So for a mouthy dickhead like me, opiates and weed were a fairly uncomfortable and unpleasant experience while amphetamines and cocaine were a world of joy.
Now I'm old and moderately responsible so don't go near anything other than booze, but I'd be lying if I said that I don't still miss blow every now and again despite it being years since I last touched it.
Sounds like a solid theory, I never did any illegal drugs, except pot once and I didn't like it at all. I can't imagine the jackassery I would do if I tried coke.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2017, 03:05:57 PM
Sounds like a solid theory, I never did any illegal drugs, except pot once and I didn't like it at all. I can't imagine the jackassery I would do if I tried coke.
I doubt I could tell if you were coked up. You're already a jackass.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2017, 03:10:30 PM
I doubt I could tell if you were coked up. You're already a jackass.
Very very true
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 03:34:23 PM
Sounds like a solid theory, I never did any illegal drugs, except pot once and I didn't like it at all. I can't imagine the jackassery I would do if I tried coke.Someone please give Puck a couple lines and a keyboard.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 04, 2017, 03:42:29 PM
Someone please give Puck a couple lines and a keyboard.
Dear god no, I am afraid the Secret Service will be coming after me.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2017, 08:18:41 PM
0 interest in coke, needles, E, or snorting any types of pills. I actually kind of have a phobia of needles or snorting anything up my nose. Which is fine with me since i have an addictive personality.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2017, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2017, 08:37:45 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2017, 08:39:38 PM
All in favor of hotboxing bo at the next tailgate?Call the amberlamps
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2017, 08:41:24 PM
Call the amberlamps
This is basically how I would picture you after:
https://youtu.be/Nfv1FhdaBBk
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2017, 08:41:34 PM
All in favor of hotboxing bo at the next tailgate?Muahahahahah
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 04, 2017, 08:41:58 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 04, 2017, 09:05:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 04, 2017, 09:41:54 PM
I've only tried weed and shrooms. Obviously I'm a big weedhead. I love shrooms, idk why but much more than the people I've tried them with. I love the experience, but it's 50/50 whether you love it or hate in my experience among friends. Prolly only done them like 3-4 times, mainly due to availability.
0 interest in coke, needles, E, or snorting any types of pills. I actually kind of have a phobia of needles or snorting anything up my nose. Which is fine with me since i have an addictive personality.
Shrooms are fun but the comedown is miserable, likewise ecstasy. I'd happily do both again if you could promise me that I wouldn't have to deal with the comedown.
Coke is the only drug I've ever done that allows me to get off my funbags, then get up the following morning and continue to function effectively.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 04, 2017, 10:45:58 PM
I never wanted to try coke or ecstasy or anything like that because I don't know if I'd be able to stop doing it.
I'm fine with weed and an occasional painkiller.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 11:39:49 PM
Shrooms are fun but the comedown is miserable, likewise ecstasy. I'd happily do both again if you could promise me that I wouldn't have to deal with the comedown.
We would hit the GHB on the way down. Some melatonin an hour or two later. Fucked up dreams, but wake up feeling fine, and 10% wiser.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 04, 2017, 11:45:59 PM
Coke is the only drug I've ever done that allows me to get off my funbags, then get up the following morning and continue to function effectively.
One night we did GHB then did some lines as the cab was waiting outside. Good freaking christ that was the best high ever. I have never been that unbeatable at pool. Probably downed 10 pints of Guiness in 3 hours, along with who knows how many shots of Surfers on Acid. I was a god damned superhero.
Never did coke again.
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2017, 12:43:29 PM
I've always been intrigued by shrooms but never had the balls to actually pull the trigger. Nor have I had the right opportunity with the right people in the right situation where I felt comfortable with it.College was the perfect time to do shrooms. At this point I'm not sure I want to try them again because I don't know if I want to hit refresh on my worldview.
I never wanted to try coke or ecstasy or anything like that because I don't know if I'd be able to stop doing it.
I'm fine with weed and an occasional painkiller.
Post by: Badger on May 05, 2017, 12:44:26 PM
Shrooms are fun but the comedown is miserable, likewise ecstasy. I'd happily do both again if you could promise me that I wouldn't have to deal with the comedown.I had no negative comedown whatsoever from shrooms. Just an easy fade back to feeling normal. Normal-ish.
Coke is the only drug I've ever done that allows me to get off my funbags, then get up the following morning and continue to function effectively.
Post by: Pope on May 05, 2017, 01:37:39 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on May 05, 2017, 01:51:40 PM
I've always been scared to mess with shrooms or acid. I think I'd have an awful trip. Done coke a couple times, it's fun but I usually stick to weed and alcohol
For me shrooms was super easy to get in a negative mindset. Wouldn't really seek them out ever again. Acid I had the best time of my life. I would only mess with them when feeling very good about my current track in life. If there is anything you are kinda putting off or suppressing it will come front and center during the trip.
About the comedown from E being terrible that's because it had some type of other excrement in it like meth or whatever other amphetamine. I have had the pleasure of doing pure MDMA two times and had no crash whatsoever, just a slow change back to feeling normal. If you feel like excrement the next day or can't sleep you got some extra stuff you didn't ask for.
Post by: Johnny English on May 05, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on May 05, 2017, 02:22:43 PM
I've always been scared to mess with shrooms or acid. I think I'd have an awful trip. Done coke a couple times, it's fun but I usually stick to weed and alcoholShrooms are relaxing and can be incredibly psychodelic with the right dosage. I can't see having a bad trip on them.
Acid is another story. You never know exactly what you are taking. The common denominator is phlegm, lots of phlegm, and some period of introspection. The latter can be rough if you have too many worries in your life. This is when anxiety can kick in, and can certainly result in a bad trip.
For either you should always be in a safe place, with people you can trust. If you don't have a sober friend playing chaperone, be sure to prepare ahead of time. Lots of fluids be it beer or water, cigarettes (menthol can be fun and soothing), good music ready to go, a fun but easy game in the console. Basically prep the house as if you were going to turn 7 years old.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 05, 2017, 02:26:58 PM
I like that the Trump thread has become a conversation about getting ripped to the funbags on mind altering substances. I feel like that is somehow appropriate.Indeed. I'm pretty sure Trump is tripping balls naturaly.
Post by: ukilledkenny on May 05, 2017, 02:42:58 PM
Shrooms are relaxing and can be incredibly psychodelic with the right dosage. I can't see having a bad trip on them.
Acid is another story. You never know exactly what you are taking. The common denominator is phlegm, lots of phlegm, and some period of introspection. The latter can be rough if you have too many worries in your life. This is when anxiety can kick in, and can certainly result in a bad trip.
For either you should always be in a safe place, with people you can trust. If you don't have a sober friend playing chaperone, be sure to prepare ahead of time. Lots of fluids be it beer or water, cigarettes (menthol can be fun and soothing), good music ready to go, a fun but easy game in the console. Basically prep the house as if you were going to turn 7 years old.
Haha funny we have the exact opposite experience with them. For me shrooms was not relaxing and soooo easy to have a bad trip on.
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2017, 11:28:53 PM
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Post by: sg3 on May 08, 2017, 02:18:54 AM
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Post by: sg3 on May 08, 2017, 09:57:57 AM
No more time available for idiots today
Have a good life
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Post by: mj2sexay on May 08, 2017, 09:58:33 AM
For me shrooms was super easy to get in a negative mindset. Wouldn't really seek them out ever again. Acid I had the best time of my life. I would only mess with them when feeling very good about my current track in life. If there is anything you are kinda putting off or suppressing it will come front and center during the trip.
About the comedown from E being terrible that's because it had some type of other excrement in it like meth or whatever other amphetamine. I have had the pleasure of doing pure MDMA two times and had no crash whatsoever, just a slow change back to feeling normal. If you feel like excrement the next day or can't sleep you got some extra stuff you didn't ask for.
Did you go into them with a negative mindset? I've only done shrooms maybe 5 times total, but each time I made sure I was in a pretty good mood beforehand, as I was told very specifically not to do them otherwise.
I've always had an absolute blast on shrooms, I either find everything to be hilarious or insist on trying to find the quietest, darkest space I can because luckily I get pretty nice visuals. The comedown is very gross for lack of a better term though. Just nonstop runny eyes and nose for me.
Post by: sg3 on May 08, 2017, 11:18:52 AM
True American Patriot Former US asst AG Sally Yates tells the truth about Traitors Trump, Flynn. Testimony before SIC begins at 2 30
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Post by: Badger on May 08, 2017, 11:31:50 AM
Sorry moronDo you even know why you're calling me a moron?
No more time available for idiots today
Have a good life
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If you can't handle people poking fun at you this may not be the best place for you.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 08, 2017, 11:37:13 AM
Do you even know why you're calling me a moron?
If you can't handle people poking fun at you this may not be the best place for you.
Shut up moron butthole
Post by: bojanglesman on May 08, 2017, 11:47:06 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 08, 2017, 11:48:38 AM
MoronBadgerButthole
Don't rob Badger of his other Badge.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 08, 2017, 11:53:47 AM
Do you even know why you're calling me a moron?
Sg3's brain just short circuited
Post by: sg3 on May 08, 2017, 12:48:06 PM
Do you even know why you're calling me a moron?Primarily because you are
If you can't handle people poking fun at you this may not be the best place for you.
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Post by: MBGreen on May 08, 2017, 12:50:04 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 08, 2017, 04:16:33 PM
Post by: Tommy on May 08, 2017, 04:20:50 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/05/08/35-of-37-economists-said-trump-was-wrong-the-other-two-misread-the-question/
Only 37 economists responded? Economists rely on data to l draw conclusions, and we haven't even seen all the details of the tax plan. Not sure how any reputable economist without an agenda could say it's a horrible plan without at least looking at the fine print.
Post by: Johnny English on May 08, 2017, 04:34:10 PM
Only 37 economists responded? Economists rely on data to l draw conclusions, and we haven't even seen all the details of the tax plan. Not sure how any reputable economist without an agenda could say it's a horrible plan without at least looking at the fine print.
Did you look at the list of respondees, their institutions and their bios? Not really sure you can question the reputation of any of them.
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2017, 08:53:03 PM
Primarily because you areBut why?
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Post by: bojanglesman on May 08, 2017, 09:02:35 PM
But why?Chemtrails
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2017, 09:04:14 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/05/08/35-of-37-economists-said-trump-was-wrong-the-other-two-misread-the-question/
Is this any different when a liberal politician claims their huge entitlement/regulation programs wont increase the deficit ?
I mean look at all the bullshit we were fed about Obamacare that was all a lie.
Politicians are liars and will feed the public bullshit to push their agenda through.
Not to mention we all already know Trump is extremely ignorant and just makes excrement up
Post by: Fenwyr on May 08, 2017, 11:19:08 PM
Is this any different when a liberal politician claims their huge entitlement/regulation programs wont increase the deficit ?
I mean look at all the bullshit we were fed about Obamacare that was all a lie.
Politicians are liars and will feed the public bullshit to push their agenda through.
Not to mention we all already know Trump is extremely ignorant and just makes excrement up
There were no lies surrounding the ACA. Other than, 'you can keep your plan', there weren't any other unfortunate lines. Obama had too much faith insurance companies, business owners, and republican governors wouldn't go off the rails. Particularly earlier in his presidency, Obama had way too much trust in people to do the right thing.
That line really only applies to catastropic 'coverage' plans which were forced to include preventive care. Those plans were useless though. Low premiums for sure, but sky high copays and lol low lifetime limits would bankrupt anyone that needed to use it.
Don't get me started on your deficit comment. You got the wrong party there.
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Post by: dcm1602 on May 09, 2017, 05:21:50 AM
There were no lies surrounding the ACA. Other than, 'you can keep your plan', there weren't any other unfortunate lines. Obama had too much faith insurance companies, business owners, and republican governors wouldn't go off the rails. Particularly earlier in his presidency, Obama had way too much trust in people to do the right thing.
That line really only applies to catastropic 'coverage' plans which were forced to include preventive care. Those plans were useless though. Low premiums for sure, but sky high copays and lol low lifetime limits would bankrupt anyone that needed to use it.
Don't get me started on your deficit comment. You got the wrong party there.
ACA itself is a joke. Premiums were sky high, and many plans aren't even usable. No idea how you even call it health insurance
Post by: sg3 on May 09, 2017, 06:07:57 AM
ACA itself is a joke. Premiums were sky high, and many plans aren't even usable. No idea how you even call it health insuranceIf you think ACA was a joke, wait until GOP TrumpDeathCare gets here.
Fortunately it is DOA in the Senate
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Post by: Badger on May 09, 2017, 06:42:25 AM
ACA itself is a joke. Premiums were sky high, and many plans aren't even usable. No idea how you even call it health insuranceAnything relying on private health insurance to do the right thing is a joke.
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2017, 07:58:18 AM
Anything relying on private health insurance to do the right thing is a joke.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland
Post by: dcm1602 on May 09, 2017, 08:02:06 AM
Anything relying on private health insurance to do the right thing is a joke.
This was a government initiative though. It just lied lied and lied to push an agenda.
I don't support universal Healthcare, but it would be substantially better than the dishonest dumping of Obamacare.
This isn't to suggest Trump care will be good, because it almost certainly won't be. But I'm not gonna speculate about what it will do as I have no freaking clue
Post by: bojanglesman on May 09, 2017, 08:02:36 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland
I wish our deductible were called "the franchise". It wouldn't change anything, it would just sound more awesome.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 09, 2017, 08:10:24 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2017, 08:49:31 AM
I wonder what effect population size has on the ability to administer health care. Legit question. I am no expert in health care administration. I wonder if a small country like Switzerland has less difficulty instituting health care because they are so smaller than larger countries like the US and China. Our health care system is horribly inefficient, but I wonder if that is a function of size. It seems like the more people you get involved in anything the worse it is.
There are all sorts of reasons why it works in Switzerland but wouldn't in the US, the primary one being that the insurance industry would simply purchase a load of airtime to tell poor people that regulating the cost of their health insurance was socialism and one small step removed from forcibly taking their guns away.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 09, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
This was a government initiative though. It just lied lied and lied to push an agenda.
I don't support universal Healthcare, but it would be substantially better than the dishonest dumping of Obamacare.
This isn't to suggest Trump care will be good, because it almost certainly won't be. But I'm not gonna speculate about what it will do as I have no freaking clue
The only disingenuous thing was not saying that adding basic requirements to all plans would eliminate catastrophic plans.
However, the primary people using catastrophic plans were students, who could now move to their parents plans until 26.
Everything else was 100% true, in principal.
Medicaide expansion was a huge success. Unfortunately, some republican governors put party and politics before people. This started a ripple effect in those states markets.
The initial plans were quite good, and affordable due to the subsidies, and the ACA requirements made them useful.
Other than republican governors opting out of medicaid expansion, the ill advised mandate didn't make enough young people sign up. That is causing the ACA to fail in a handful of states.
Rather than fix the problems, they want to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Deathcare 2.0 is down right evil legislation.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 09, 2017, 10:38:04 AM
There are all sorts of reasons why it works in Switzerland but wouldn't in the US, the primary one being that the insurance industry would simply purchase a load of airtime to tell poor people that regulating the cost of their health insurance was socialism and one small step removed from forcibly taking their guns away.
I love the subtlety hidden in this.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 09, 2017, 10:43:05 AM
The only disingenuous thing was not saying that adding basic requirements to all plans would eliminate catastrophic plans.
However, the primary people using catastrophic plans were students, who could now move to their parents plans until 26.
Everything else was 100% true, in principal.
Medicaide expansion was a huge success. Unfortunately, some republican governors put party and politics before people. This started a ripple effect in those states markets.
The initial plans were quite good, and affordable due to the subsidies, and the ACA requirements made them useful.
Other than republican governors opting out of medicaid expansion, the ill advised mandate didn't make enough young people sign up. That is causing the ACA to fail in a handful of states.
Rather than fix the problems, they want to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Deathcare 2.0 is down right evil legislation.
New York is a blue state and its exchanges are awful too.
It basically turned all plans into catastrophic health plans. Honestly I think many if not most people would be better off paying cash for their medical care instead of going with a plan off the market place.
500-1000$ dollars a month with deductibles of several thousand a year no thanks.
My mother had an Obamacare plan a few years ago when it was newish and it was roughly 1000$ a month, and the insurance didn't even kick in until you paid 5000$ out of pocket first.
Post by: Pope on May 09, 2017, 10:43:54 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 09, 2017, 10:57:14 AM
As an Obamacare user for 3 years I can wholeheartedly say that it sucks. I appreciate the effort from the Obama administration but the entire US healthcare industry needs to be burned to the ground and redone
This.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 09, 2017, 11:15:20 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 09, 2017, 11:32:06 AM
How would you realistically go about telling all insurance companies to freak off completely and go to single payer? Serious question. I'm not going to pretend I know what the answer is to fix it, but whatever it is will be many years in the making. You can't take down behemoth companies overnight. I'm not sure what the right first step is.
We do it here all the time. They should get one of us to tell the insurance industry to freak off. One of us will totally be able to do it.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 09, 2017, 11:34:59 AM
We do it here all the time. They should get one of us to tell the insurance industry to freak off. One of us will totally be able to do it.And much like us, they will ignore you.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 09, 2017, 11:42:00 AM
And much like us, they will ignore you.
Banshee rules
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2017, 11:54:30 AM
How would you realistically go about telling all insurance companies to freak off completely and go to single payer? Serious question. I'm not going to pretend I know what the answer is to fix it, but whatever it is will be many years in the making. You can't take down behemoth companies overnight. I'm not sure what the right first step is.
You don't. If you followed the Swiss model there'd still be a major role for them, both as the administrators of the state-managed scheme and in the secondary / top up markets. They'd scream to the rooftops and buy ad space and lobbyists like never before in order to tell you how it would kill jobs and kill innovation and kill pharma research and yadda yadda yadda, but it could be done with sufficient political will.
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for it to happen in our lifetimes though.
Post by: Badger on May 09, 2017, 12:04:52 PM
How would you realistically go about telling all insurance companies to freak off completely and go to single payer? Serious question. I'm not going to pretend I know what the answer is to fix it, but whatever it is will be many years in the making. You can't take down behemoth companies overnight. I'm not sure what the right first step is.1. Get money out of politics.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 09, 2017, 02:35:23 PM
You don't. If you followed the Swiss model there'd still be a major role for them, both as the administrators of the state-managed scheme and in the secondary / top up markets. They'd scream to the rooftops and buy ad space and lobbyists like never before in order to tell you how it would kill jobs and kill innovation and kill pharma research and yadda yadda yadda, but it could be done with sufficient political will.
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for it to happen in our lifetimes though.
I've long said we don't need to remove the health providers from the system.
You can have a basic level of coverage available to everyone, paid for by the government like Medicare. Then the insurance companies can sell additional insurance on top of that.
With basic, you can go to the doctor for a checkup each year, maybe a sick visit, and if there are continuing issues. If you buy into better coverage, you can pick more preferable doctors, get non-generic drugs, and overall more satisfying care.
This gives insurance companies incentive to reduce rates because they don't have to cover a simple checkup or sick visit (or at least vastly reduce deductables). A benefits package can still be used as an incentive to prospective employees.
How do you pay for it? Stop lying to the public about reducing taxes and just spend them on making the public healthier.
But like you said, "they" will buy ad space explaining that allowing the government to give free boob jobs to welfare mothers is the last firewall before allowing liberals to literally walk into your house and take away your rifles.
Post by: Badger on May 09, 2017, 02:38:25 PM
I've long said we don't need to remove the health providers from the system.The problem with that system is insurance companies will lobby for the basic care to cover as little as possible.
You can have a basic level of coverage available to everyone, paid for by the government like Medicare. Then the insurance companies can sell additional insurance on top of that.
With basic, you can go to the doctor for a checkup each year, maybe a sick visit, and if there are continuing issues. If you buy into better coverage, you can pick more preferable doctors, get non-generic drugs, and overall more satisfying care.
This gives insurance companies incentive to reduce rates because they don't have to cover a simple checkup or sick visit (or at least vastly reduce deductables). A benefits package can still be used as an incentive to prospective employees.
How do you pay for it? Stop lying to the public about reducing taxes and just spend them on making the public healthier.
But like you said, "they" will buy ad space explaining that allowing the government to give free boob jobs to welfare mothers is the last firewall before allowing liberals to literally walk into your house and take away your rifles.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 09, 2017, 02:55:10 PM
The problem with that system is insurance companies will lobby for the basic care to cover as little as possible.
In fairness, it shouldn't cover a lot. It should be a basic level of coverage, and it should still be appealing to have an additional insurance plan--just not critical.
And like you said, the first step to making a stronger national healthcare system is to get the damn money out of politics.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 09, 2017, 03:21:23 PM
How would you realistically go about telling all insurance companies to freak off completely and go to single payer? Serious question. I'm not going to pretend I know what the answer is to fix it, but whatever it is will be many years in the making. You can't take down behemoth companies overnight. I'm not sure what the right first step is.
I would imagine the options would be either set a time table to phase it out over many years, or roll it out on an expanding state by state basis. Much more complex would be figuring out and negotiating the massive buyouts of companies, while others just change their direction
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2017, 04:02:22 PM
In fairness, it shouldn't cover a lot. It should be a basic level of coverage, and it should still be appealing to have an additional insurance plan--just not critical.
I disagree. It should cover more than just critical - ever dollar spent on preventative medicine saves several spent on critical care.
I also disagree with your suggestion that the government pays the base level for everyone. Again, the Swiss model seems pretty fair - everyone pays an annual amount that's based on their income (but with a fair ceiling), then they pay a contribution to their actual care bills (again up to a fair ceiling). Government covers the annual fee for the unemployed, low waged and elderly. If you want to buy a private policy to have access to alternative routes for elective procedures or to have your operations done in swanky hospitals with mountain views, that's entirely your prerogative.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 09, 2017, 04:16:19 PM
I disagree. It should cover more than just critical - ever dollar spent on preventative medicine saves several spent on critical care.
I also disagree with your suggestion that the government pays the base level for everyone. Again, the Swiss model seems pretty fair - everyone pays an annual amount that's based on their income (but with a fair ceiling), then they pay a contribution to their actual care bills (again up to a fair ceiling). Government covers the annual fee for the unemployed, low waged and elderly. If you want to buy a private policy to have access to alternative routes for elective procedures or to have your operations done in swanky hospitals with mountain views, that's entirely your prerogative.
You misunderstood me. What I was saying is it shouldn't be critical to own supplementary insurance on top of the basic coverage. It should be a luxury that people desire because they want more control over where/who tends to their needs--but their needs should be covered even without supplementary insurance.
I don't see how the Swiss model differs from my "government pays" model other than semantics. The government would fund it via taxes, which would be collected based on income.
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2017, 04:31:14 PM
You misunderstood me. What I was saying is it shouldn't be critical to own supplementary insurance on top of the basic coverage. It should be a luxury that people desire because they want more control over where/who tends to their needs--but their needs should be covered even without supplementary insurance.
I don't see how the Swiss model differs from my "government pays" model other than semantics. The government would fund it via taxes, which would be collected based on income.
In Switzerland, the government doesn't pay or collect insurance premiums. It mandates to the insurers how much they must charge for basic coverage, what they must cover and how much they must cover it for. There's a ceiling on how much of your wage can be taken in health premiums (Wikipedia says it's 8%); the government tops that up if your income is low enough that your full premium cost would account for more than 8% of your salary.
It's far less bureaucracy for the same end, and instead of people whining about how the government is taking more money off them they get to congratulate the government for preventing insurance companies from cherrypicking and profiteering from misery, suffering and death.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 09, 2017, 04:36:03 PM
As an Obamacare user for 3 years I can wholeheartedly say that it sucks. I appreciate the effort from the Obama administration but the entire US healthcare industry needs to be burned to the ground and redone
Have you ever received a Cobra letter? It's an option to keep your current health care after being laid off. I have received 2 since the ACA became law. The cost is lol hysterical. I ended getting the same shitty care through the ACA at 25% the cost.
Whatever you do, never get an HSA account. Seems like a great idea until you realize a simple checkup costs $200. Your heath savings account dries up quick, and you are paying cash after that.
Always do HMO or PPO with set copays and stay in network.
Post by: Pope on May 09, 2017, 04:38:19 PM
I work for a small business that does not offer a suitable healthcare plan. I'm limited to the excrement tier ACA plans. I do everything correctly but that doesn't change the fact that I pay way too much towards what amounts to awful coverage. My deductible is like 10k
Have you ever received a Cobra letter? It's an option to keep your current health care after being laid off. I have received 2 since the ACA became law. The cost is lol hysterical. I ended getting the same shitty care through the ACA at 25% the cost.
Whatever you do, never get an HSA account. Seems like a great idea until you realize a simple checkup costs $200. Your heath savings account dries up quick, and you are paying cash after that.
Always do HMO or PPO with set copays and stay in network.
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2017, 04:58:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 09, 2017, 05:05:08 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 09, 2017, 05:29:49 PM
Trump fires Comey
Post by: reuben on May 09, 2017, 06:39:12 PM
I pray to God this guy doesn't get a third term as president.
Post by: Tommy on May 09, 2017, 06:41:17 PM
I disagree. It should cover more than just critical - ever dollar spent on preventative medicine saves several spent on critical care.
I also disagree with your suggestion that the government pays the base level for everyone. Again, the Swiss model seems pretty fair - everyone pays an annual amount that's based on their income (but with a fair ceiling), then they pay a contribution to their actual care bills (again up to a fair ceiling). Government covers the annual fee for the unemployed, low waged and elderly. If you want to buy a private policy to have access to alternative routes for elective procedures or to have your operations done in swanky hospitals with mountain views, that's entirely your prerogative.
I'd be all for this. Have no idea how it would be implemented though. We live in the richest country in the history of the world, so no one should die because they're poor and can't afford to treat a treatable illness.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 09, 2017, 06:52:00 PM
I work for a small business that does not offer a suitable healthcare plan. I'm limited to the excrement tier ACA plans. I do everything correctly but that doesn't change the fact that I pay way too much towards what amounts to awful coverage. My deductible is like 10kUnless you have a cronic illness, the deductible shouldn't come in to play. What is your copay for a doctor's visit?
Post by: Fenwyr on May 09, 2017, 06:57:19 PM
Trump fired Comey.Hint to remaining appointees, don't investgate Russia if you want to keep your job.
Comey didn't hand Trump the election, but that last BS letter certainly turned some votes. And this is how Trump repays him.
And the brand spanking new deputy director got the ball rolling. Comey, meet bus.
They need a special prosecutor immediately. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Post by: Tommy on May 09, 2017, 06:59:47 PM
Hint to remaining appointees, don't investgate Russia if you want to keep your job.
Comey didn't hand Trump the election, but that last BS letter certainly turned some votes. And this is how Trump repays him.
And the brand spanking new deputy director got the ball rolling. Comey, meet bus.
They need a special prosecutor immediately. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.
Hide what?
Post by: reuben on May 09, 2017, 07:18:42 PM
Hide what?
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/1gjdAX7.gif)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 09, 2017, 08:26:47 PM
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Mr. Comey was addressing a group of F.B.I. employees in Los Angeles when a television in the background flashed the news that he had been fired.
In response, Mr. Comey laughed, saying he thought it was a fairly funny prank.
Then his staff started scurrying around in the background and told Mr. Comey that he should step into a nearby office.
Damn, that's cold brutha.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 09, 2017, 08:30:53 PM
This evening: FBI director gets fired.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/grand-jury-fbi-russia/index.html
Pure coincidence.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 09, 2017, 09:07:49 PM
Have you ever received a Cobra letter? It's an option to keep your current health care after being laid off. I have received 2 since the ACA became law. The cost is lol hysterical. I ended getting the same shitty care through the ACA at 25% the cost.
Whatever you do, never get an HSA account. Seems like a great idea until you realize a simple checkup costs $200. Your heath savings account dries up quick, and you are paying cash after that.
Always do HMO or PPO with set copays and stay in network.
HSA's are awesome.
If you have a high deductible plan you would be foolish not to take advantage of it
Im not sure why you think its a bad thing
Post by: dcm1602 on May 09, 2017, 09:10:05 PM
Unless you have a cronic illness, the deductible shouldn't come in to play. What is your copay for a doctor's visit?
So unless he has to use his insurance the deductible wont matter ?
Thats why these plans are awful, theyre not affordable , theyre excrement catastrophic plans that pretend to protect people
Post by: Tommy on May 09, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
Unless you have a cronic illness, the deductible shouldn't come in to play. What is your copay for a doctor's visit?
"Unless you have a chronic illness"
LOL
A $10k deductible is awful. That means your insurance won't kick in until you pay $10k out of pocket. How the hell does that help anyone?
Post by: dcm1602 on May 09, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
"Unless you have a chronic illness"
LOL
A $10k deductible is awful. That means your insurance won't kick in until you pay $10k out of pocket. How the hell does that help anyone?
Because they got health insurance duh !
Obamas the best
Post by: Badger on May 09, 2017, 09:42:47 PM
Because they got health insurance duh !
Obamas the best
From the guy who just praised HSAs.
Post by: reuben on May 09, 2017, 09:49:28 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 09, 2017, 10:04:16 PM
From the guy who just praised HSAs.
The point of an hsa is to take advantage of it when you're young and healthy, so you'll have a small warchest when you'll need it when you're older.
Privatizing your health insurance to a new level
Post by: Tommy on May 10, 2017, 07:59:12 AM
Post by: Pope on May 10, 2017, 08:00:51 AM
I don't get it. Weren't Democrats calling for this guy's head because he "gave the election to Trump" and because he botched that whole Clinton email thing? Now that Trump fires him, all of a sudden it's because it's about Russia?Whatever fits the narrative
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 09:04:11 AM
From the guy who just praised HSAs.How come I'm not shocked at the 2 people that don't understand HSAs are a scam.
If you are paying more than $10 out of pocket to see a doctor, you're doing it wrong.
Your deductible shouldn't come into play unless you do something that puts you in the hospital.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 09:06:10 AM
The point of an hsa is to take advantage of it when you're young and healthy, so you'll have a small warchest when you'll need it when you're older.Lol warchest. Its a savings account that gets 0% interest.
Privatizing your health insurance to a new level
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 09:06:48 AM
I don't get it. Weren't Democrats calling for this guy's head because he "gave the election to Trump" and because he botched that whole Clinton email thing? Now that Trump fires him, all of a sudden it's because it's about Russia?Not even going to try.
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2017, 09:14:14 AM
I don't get it. Weren't Democrats calling for this guy's head because he "gave the election to Trump" and because he botched that whole Clinton email thing? Now that Trump fires him, all of a sudden it's because it's about Russia?I have a crazy theory that maybe Comey was just trying to do his job both times (Clinton emails and Trump Russia).
Whatever fits the narrative
Post by: sg3 on May 10, 2017, 09:18:38 AM
I don't get it. Weren't Democrats calling for this guy's head because he "gave the election to Trump" and because he botched that whole Clinton email thing? Now that Trump fires him, all of a sudden it's because it's about Russia?I give up. Moron McConnell just spewed the same Trumpspin bullcrap on the floor of the Senate
Glad to see Tommyanne is on the same Trump Talking Points distribution list
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Post by: ons on May 10, 2017, 09:20:49 AM
I don't get it. Weren't Democrats calling for this guy's head because he "gave the election to Trump" and because he botched that whole Clinton email thing? Now that Trump fires him, all of a sudden it's because it's about Russia?
Giving the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt, and assuming this was about the Clinton email letter, why does Trump keep Comey around for a few months? Only to fire him on the same day that federal prosecutors issue subpoenas as part of the FBI-led investigation into the Trump team's involvement with Russia?
Taking the adminstration at its word, this is absolutely absurd, laughably horrible optics.
I think that Comey absolutely impacted the election with his letter, I think it was bad judgment, but he was attempting to be honest and upfront about his actions - that being said, I think it stands to reason that all Americans should know the truth about the administration's ties to Russia, and that anything that seems like obstruction regarding the truth at best further erodes trust in government.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 09:28:52 AM
Comey is neck deep in the Russia investigation.
Trump fires him for the Hillary smear campaign.
Yates goes directly to the white house to tell them Flynn is compromised.
Yates is fired a couple days later for saying she cannot support the Muslim Ban.
Flynn is in office for almost 3 more weeks. Flynn would still be NSA if not for the Washington Post.
This is turning into Watergate on steroids. If there is nothing to hide, stop the nonsense. The administration is doing this to themselves.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 09:41:26 AM
He should of divested. He didn't.
He shouldn't have surrounded himself with Russian sympathizers. He did.
All of this is fact. I'm not sure any able minded person on either side of the aisle is even debating it anymore.
The only questions left are if Trump or anyone on his staff conspired with the Russians on the Wikileaks, and if Trump or anyone on his staff discussed removing sanctions. Oh wait, Flynn did. I guess the question is whether or not Trump told him to.
And for fucks sake, blaming the guy who recused himself from the Russian investigation for firing the guy in charge of the Russian investigation...
We're going to need an Oliver Stone movie to explain this excrement once it's over.
Post by: Pope on May 10, 2017, 10:06:49 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2017, 10:10:13 AM
The Census Bureau chief resigned yesterday amid cuts to the budget that he claims will make it harder for the Bureau to properly count the population in 2020.
A reporter was arrested for asking the Sec. of Health questions about domestic violence being a pre-existing condition. He was charged with "disruption of government services."
Today Trump is going to meet with the Russian foreign minister. In a meeting closed to the press.
Press Secretary Spicer was hiding behind bushes yesterday to avoid speaking to reporters.
Spicer is also skipping the White House press briefing after Trump's meeting with the Russian FM. He's got "obligations to the Navy to fulfill" today.
Yup, whatever fits the narrative. Nothing at all to see here.
Note: This is all within the last 24 hours.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 10, 2017, 10:10:22 AM
Post by: Pope on May 10, 2017, 10:18:08 AM
Post by: Pope on May 10, 2017, 10:29:36 AM
Do you honestly believe that Trump, the biggest freaking egomaniac in the world, is going to play puppet to some Russian politicians or Putin? Did Russia hack election machines or pay people off to vote Republican? Maybe they hacked a server somewhere but that excrement is ubiquitous in this day and age. Everyone is spying on everyone. excrement my XBox Kinect and my Alexa are probably listening to me nightly.
Democrats cried bloody murder saying that Trump would not concede the election if he lost and now that the tables have turned I have to read and listen to a bunch of gaping freaking pussies making excrement up to help cope.
I'm a lifelong Democrat but this is exactly why Hillary lost. Because people can't stand to deal with this new age of faggotry and participation medals.
Post by: ons on May 10, 2017, 10:45:49 AM
Before someone replies:
Do you honestly believe that Trump, the biggest freaking egomaniac in the world, is going to play puppet to some Russian politicians or Putin? Did Russia hack election machines or pay people off to vote Republican? Maybe they hacked a server somewhere but that excrement is ubiquitous in this day and age. Everyone is spying on everyone. excrement my XBox Kinect and my Alexa are probably listening to me nightly.
Democrats cried bloody murder saying that Trump would not concede the election if he lost and now that the tables have turned I have to read and listen to a bunch of gaping freaking pussies making excrement up to help cope.
I'm a lifelong Democrat but this is exactly why Hillary lost. Because people can't stand to deal with this new age of faggotry and participation medals.
Personally, I don't see any evidence that Trump himself is an agent of Putin or that Trump directly colluded with Russians to help his campaign.
If, however, he lacks the proper vetting procedures to keep people who are influenced by Russia (Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn) from his inner circle, we may find ourselves in a situation where his closest advisors are advocating for positions that benefit a country other than our own.
Furthermore, if he is making hiring/firing decisions (Sally Yates, James Comey) based on who is and isn't willing to honestly investigate those members of his own campaign who have known connections to foreign governments and who lied about those connections to Trump himself, it seems like he takes his reputation as a 'great businessman' with 'great people' more seriously than our national security.
Post by: Pope on May 10, 2017, 10:48:53 AM
Personally, I don't see any evidence that Trump himself is an agent of Putin or that Trump directly colluded with Russians to help his campaign.That I understand/agree with. I was just venting my frustration about the election conspiracy
If, however, he lacks the proper vetting procedures to keep people who are influenced by Russia (Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn) from his inner circle, we may find ourselves in a situation where his closest advisors are advocating for positions that benefit a country other than our own.
Furthermore, if he is making hiring/firing decisions (Sally Yates, James Comey) based on who is and isn't willing to honestly investigate those members of his own campaign who have known connections to foreign governments and who lied about those connections to Trump himself, it seems like he takes his reputation as a 'great businessman' with 'great people' more seriously than our national security.
Post by: sg3 on May 10, 2017, 10:49:12 AM
Before someone replies:When is your next YUUUUUGE Trump rally?
Do you honestly believe that Trump, the biggest freaking egomaniac in the world, is going to play puppet to some Russian politicians or Putin? Did Russia hack election machines or pay people off to vote Republican? Maybe they hacked a server somewhere but that excrement is ubiquitous in this day and age. Everyone is spying on everyone. excrement my XBox Kinect and my Alexa are probably listening to me nightly.
Democrats cried bloody murder saying that Trump would not concede the election if he lost and now that the tables have turned I have to read and listen to a bunch of gaping freaking pussies making excrement up to help cope.
I'm a lifelong Democrat but this is exactly why Hillary lost. Because people can't stand to deal with this new age of faggotry and participation medals.
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Post by: Badger on May 10, 2017, 10:49:54 AM
The point of an hsa is to take advantage of it when you're young and healthy, so you'll have a small warchest when you'll need it when you're older.So just don't ever be sick or injured, got it.
Privatizing your health insurance to a new level
Post by: Pope on May 10, 2017, 10:50:17 AM
When is your next YUUUUUGE Trump rally?I didn't vote for Trump you retard. Actually not retard, I should say clown. You're a goddamn caricature
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Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2017, 10:50:44 AM
Before someone replies:
Do you honestly believe that Trump, the biggest freaking egomaniac in the world, is going to play puppet to some Russian politicians or Putin? Did Russia hack election machines or pay people off to vote Republican? Maybe they hacked a server somewhere but that excrement is ubiquitous in this day and age. Everyone is spying on everyone. excrement my XBox Kinect and my Alexa are probably listening to me nightly.
Democrats cried bloody murder saying that Trump would not concede the election if he lost and now that the tables have turned I have to read and listen to a bunch of gaping freaking pussies making excrement up to help cope.
I'm a lifelong Democrat but this is exactly why Hillary lost. Because people can't stand to deal with this new age of faggotry and participation medals.
Maybe you should take an active look at what's actually going on.
He has possible ties to a long-time enemy country that is currently led by what amounts to a mob boss. But okay, let's just assume he has zero ties, and is not at all influenced by Putin. Let's also assume that despite intelligence agencies around the world finding evidence of Russian tampering in elections--not just here but elsewhere--that it doesn't matter.
Throw all of that out.
The President of the United States blatantly stands in front of the American people and disavows the media. His press secretary, whose job is to answer to the media, frequently dodges the media. We can agree that this is in direct violation of the Bill of Rights, no?
If not, can we agree that a reporter asking a cabinet head specific questions related to something his department will oversee should not be jailed?
We're not talking about politics here. This isn't the healthcare debate.
We're not talking about Hillary losing here. This isn't about the election.
We're talking about a presidency that is willfully violating the Constitution it swore to protect. And that's just the in-your-face bullshit. But everyone's "making excrement up to cope."
Post by: sg3 on May 10, 2017, 10:53:44 AM
I didn't vote for Trump you retard. Actually not retard, I should say clown. You're a goddamn caricaturecalm down, jackass..
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Post by: Pope on May 10, 2017, 10:54:58 AM
Maybe you should take an active look at what's actually going on.
He has possible ties to a long-time enemy country that is currently led by what amounts to a mob boss. But okay, let's just assume he has zero ties, and is not at all influenced by Putin. Let's also assume that despite intelligence agencies around the world finding evidence of Russian tampering in elections--not just here but elsewhere--that it doesn't matter.
Lol please stop
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The President of the United States blatantly stands in front of the American people and disavows the media. His press secretary, whose job is to answer to the media, frequently dodges the media. We can agree that this is in direct violation of the Bill of Rights, no?
I think they're against the media sure, but with reason. The media is vicious against the Trump campaign. They're guilty on both sides.
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If not, can we agree that a reporter asking a cabinet head specific questions related to something his department will oversee should not be jailed?
Not familiar and don't care to research this at the moment
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We're not talking about politics here. This isn't the healthcare debate.
We're not talking about Hillary losing here. This isn't about the election.
We're talking about a presidency that is willfully violating the Constitution it swore to protect. And that's just the in-your-face bullshit. But everyone's "making excrement up to cope."
Exaggerating here, let's pump the brakes a bit
Post by: Pope on May 10, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
calm down, jackass..When you become capable of posting like a normal person I will oblige
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Post by: sg3 on May 10, 2017, 10:56:56 AM
Please freak off with the Russia nonsense. My God anyone that believes that garbage is literally retarded
Before someone replies:Nah...definitely not wearing his MAGA hat proudly
Do you honestly believe that Trump, the biggest freaking egomaniac in the world, is going to play puppet to some Russian politicians or Putin? Did Russia hack election machines or pay people off to vote Republican? Maybe they hacked a server somewhere but that excrement is ubiquitous in this day and age. Everyone is spying on everyone. excrement my XBox Kinect and my Alexa are probably listening to me nightly.
Democrats cried bloody murder saying that Trump would not concede the election if he lost and now that the tables have turned I have to read and listen to a bunch of gaping freaking pussies making excrement up to help cope.
I'm a lifelong Democrat but this is exactly why Hillary lost. Because people can't stand to deal with this new age of faggotry and participation medals.
Of course not
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Post by: mj2sexay on May 10, 2017, 11:01:58 AM
Before someone replies:
Do you honestly believe that Trump, the biggest freaking egomaniac in the world, is going to play puppet to some Russian politicians or Putin? Did Russia hack election machines or pay people off to vote Republican? Maybe they hacked a server somewhere but that excrement is ubiquitous in this day and age. Everyone is spying on everyone. excrement my XBox Kinect and my Alexa are probably listening to me nightly.
Democrats cried bloody murder saying that Trump would not concede the election if he lost and now that the tables have turned I have to read and listen to a bunch of gaping freaking pussies making excrement up to help cope.
I'm a lifelong Democrat but this is exactly why Hillary lost. Because people can't stand to deal with this new age of faggotry and participation medals.
If it makes you feel any better...
I specifically recall 2008 and 2012 and discussing the need for the GOP to rebrand itself. Socially they needed to come back to the fold and embrace a more moderate platform that is still in line with conservative principles, but more than anything they desperately needed to shed the label of being the party of the old, white man. While one of the most underrated aspects of Trumps win is the fact that despite the media predicting basement level numbers in terms of the minority vote, he outperformed Romney with both the black and latino community, the fact is, the attempts by the mainstream of the party and gains made as a result of anything they did, in either regard were minimal at best.
So while not one single lesson doesn't seem to be learned by the left, don't underestimate the majority parties ability to freak things up so catastrophically, that the tide turns regardless. The constant autistic screeching probably grants Trump another term, unless the Democrats have a rising star as a candidate that none of us know about yet.
We're talking about a presidency that is willfully violating the Constitution it swore to protect. And that's just the in-your-face bullshit. But everyone's "making excrement up to cope."
So have you been banging the same table for the last...pretty much 16 years or is it only now that you're conveniently worried about the Constitution because Trump.
By the way, did anyone else hear the part of Yates or Clappers testimony when they said under oath there's no evidence tying Trump to Russia, or was that not part of the NowThis clip where "Yates TOTALLY OWNED evil Zodiac MURDERER Ted Cruz and it was EVERYTHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG."
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2017, 11:06:06 AM
Lol please stop
I think they're against the media sure, but with reason. The media is vicious against the Trump campaign. They're guilty on both sides.
Not familiar and don't care to research this at the moment
Exaggerating here, let's pump the brakes a bit
So you refuse to either listen to what is actually going on or research it yourself, but you're going to sit there and tell other people to stop whining?
Also, it doesn't matter if they don't like the media. It's the media's job to be vicious towards the government. It's actually the entire purpose of guaranteeing its freedom in the Constitution. They literally do not have the right to disavow or ignore the media.
As you said "Lol please stop"
Post by: Pope on May 10, 2017, 11:12:32 AM
So you refuse to either listen to what is actually going on or research it yourself, but you're going to sit there and tell other people to stop whining?Send me a link, I'm at work on my cell phone and I don't know what the hell you were talking about because it was vague
Also, it doesn't matter if they don't like the media. It's the media's job to be vicious towards the government. It's actually the entire purpose of guaranteeing its freedom in the Constitution. They literally do not have the right to disavow or ignore the media.
As you said "Lol please stop"
Post by: ons on May 10, 2017, 11:15:24 AM
By the way, did anyone else hear the part of Yates or Clappers testimony when they said under oath there's no evidence tying Trump to Russia
I mean, that was the entire premise of my earlier post. There is no evidence tying Trump to Russia, but it is still worrying that he is more defensive of his hiring decisions than he is concerned about the truth regarding his former subordinates who lied to him.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 10, 2017, 11:19:05 AM
Also, it doesn't matter if they don't like the media. It's the media's job to be vicious towards the government. It's actually the entire purpose of guaranteeing its freedom in the Constitution. They literally do not have the right to disavow or ignore the media.
Are you suggesting there isn't a significant bias in the way the previous administration and this one is handled by mainstream and wannabe mainstream outlets?
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2017, 11:25:42 AM
Send me a link, I'm at work on my cell phone and I don't know what the hell you were talking about because it was vague
Assuming you're asking about the reporter that was arrested: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/05/10/w-virginia-reporter-arrested-yelling-questions-visiting-hhs-secretary-tom-price/101503242/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/05/10/w-virginia-reporter-arrested-yelling-questions-visiting-hhs-secretary-tom-price/101503242/)
That's USA Today. The Spicer-in-the-bushes is being quoted by other news orgs from Daily Kos, so I'm sure there will be some who discount it, but I first saw it reported live on Twitter yesterday by reporters who were actually there.
Spicer: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sean-spicer-reportedly-hid-bushes-comey-firing-article-1.3152817 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sean-spicer-reportedly-hid-bushes-comey-firing-article-1.3152817)
And he's ducking his duty today to avoid speaking about the metting Trump's having with the Russian foreign minister. I can't find a link to that story right now, likely because every Spicer story is currently about the bushes thing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2017, 11:30:12 AM
Have you ever received a Cobra letter? It's an option to keep your current health care after being laid off. I have received 2 since the ACA became law. The cost is lol hysterical. I ended getting the same shitty care through the ACA at 25% the cost.
Whatever you do, never get an HSA account. Seems like a great idea until you realize a simple checkup costs $200. Your heath savings account dries up quick, and you are paying cash after that.
Always do HMO or PPO with set copays and stay in network.
My HSA earns interest provided it meets the required balance. I know nothing about healthcare, but I don't see what the disadvantages are to having a HSA (Health Savings Account). It's non taxable and rolls over year to year. I don't spend much on average on healthcare, so I have a high deductible, low monthly premium plan. The money that normally would be going to my premium I put in my HSA instead.
Is there some confusion here between a HSA and HCSA (Health Care Spending Account)?
Post by: dcm1602 on May 10, 2017, 11:30:18 AM
Lol warchest. Its a savings account that gets 0% interest.
You're 100% wrong and have no idea what you're talking about.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 10, 2017, 11:33:18 AM
My HSA earns interest provided it meets the required balance. I know nothing about healthcare, but I don't see what the disadvantages are to having a HSA (Health Savings Account). It's non taxable and rolls over year to year. I don't spend much on average on healthcare, so I have a high deductible, low monthly premium plan. The money that normally would be going to my premium I put in my HSA instead.
Is there some confusion here between a HSA and HCSA (Health Care Spending Account)?
There shouldn't be, an hcsa is a flexible spending account and only carries over for one year. It's use it or lose it.
And an HSA is basically a 401k with triple tax advantage, and can earn interest rates the same as any 401k
Post by: bojanglesman on May 10, 2017, 11:36:23 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 10, 2017, 11:43:48 AM
I mean, that was the entire premise of my earlier post. There is no evidence tying Trump to Russia, but it is still worrying that he is more defensive of his hiring decisions than he is concerned about the truth regarding his former subordinates who lied to him.
Its a fair criticism, but it also sort of downplays the ridiculous level of hyperbole that this story has grown to at this point. Any admonition of any sort of wrongdoing is going to be taken as an indication of impropriety. Why give the sharks any chum?
I'm not saying thats the right thing to do by the way, but the President acting in the interest of political expediency isn't really surprising.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 10, 2017, 11:45:43 AM
I've never used an HSA and didn't know it could earn interest. I thought it was just tax-free. I've never had a high-deductible plan where I could use one. My wife is a state employee. Although her pay isn't what it would be in the private sector, the benefits are glorious. Makes up for lower salary. I'm on her policy because the plan at my job sucks.
I've never known that about HSAs either. I'm on my wife's high-deductable policy because mine is even worse.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 03:01:11 PM
My HSA earns interest provided it meets the required balance. I know nothing about healthcare, but I don't see what the disadvantages are to having a HSA (Health Savings Account). It's non taxable and rolls over year to year. I don't spend much on average on healthcare, so I have a high deductible, low monthly premium plan. The money that normally would be going to my premium I put in my HSA instead.Never seen a HSA that gains interest. I'm still not sure what the positive is though. If you never go to the doctor and never get sick, I guess it is a nice little tax shelter. Does it include a free wellness visit every year?
Is there some confusion here between a HSA and HCSA (Health Care Spending Account)?
I had an HSA at my previous job. Went for my free wellness visit. Turns out I had a sinus infection. No longer a wellness visit. A bill for $200 came in the mail a month later. My wife went in for her previously scheduled checkup for high cholesterol. A bill for $300 came in the mail a month later.
All of that came out of pocket, as we had been using the HSA card to pay for our meds.
Those visits would have totaled $20 under our previous non HSA plan.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 10, 2017, 03:06:21 PM
Never seen a HSA that gains interest. I'm still not sure what the positive is though. If you never go to the doctor and never get sick, I guess it is a nice little tax shelter. Does it include a free wellness visit every year?
I had an HSA at my previous job. Went for my free wellness visit. Turns out I had a sinus infection. No longer a wellness visit. A bill for $200 came in the mail a month later. My wife went in for her previously scheduled checkup for high cholesterol. A bill for $300 came in the mail a month later.
All of that came out of pocket, as we had been using the HSA card to pay for our meds.
Those visits would have totaled $20 under our previous non HSA plan.
You have to factor in the increased premium cost of the non-HSA plan. It is likely significantly higher per month than any high-deductible plan. I'm not saying it's better, just saying you have to take into account everything. It's all a gamble based on your current health and luck. Health insurance isn't something you should think of as an investment. Get the best plan you can reasonably afford.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 03:07:27 PM
Are you suggesting there isn't a significant bias in the way the previous administration and this one is handled by mainstream and wannabe mainstream outlets?
Do you really want to go there?
Fox, Rush, and radio guys like him destroyed Obama every damn day. The flung excrement at the walls and nothing would stick, so just made even more excrement up. Trump got airtime on every network for years with his birther excrement. Benghazi, the result of a republican congress cutting funding, was on the news for years with Obama and Clinton in the crosshairs.
AYFKM?
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 03:21:25 PM
By the way, did anyone else hear the part of Yates or Clappers testimony when they said under oath there's no evidence tying Trump to Russia.
Wow. This says alot about where you get your news. Go back and watch what actually happened.
When questioned...
Yates would not comment on an ongoing investigation.
Clapper said nothing from the Flynn investigation implicated Trump.
When questioned further directly related to Trump...
Clapper would not comment on an ongoing investigation.
You still wonder why Comey got fired?
Anyone still denying the Russia stuff needs to sit the freak down. There is something there. If it is something small, why didn't the administration just come clean months ago?
Because it's not small. Every high ranking official investigating it has been fired. Trump celebrated with one of his Russian boys behind closed doors today, oh wait, they did let the Russian media join them. Go figure.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 03:29:48 PM
You have to factor in the increased premium cost of the non-HSA plan. It is likely significantly higher per month than any high-deductible plan. I'm not saying it's better, just saying you have to take into account everything. It's all a gamble based on your current health and luck. Health insurance isn't something you should think of as an investment. Get the best plan you can reasonably afford.The non HSA plan was $100 more per month. I was just trying something new. Wish I hadn't.
If you are young and feeling invulnerable, I guess you can roll with an HSA. But if you go to doctor once a year, like everbody should, or develop anything that makes you twice a year, your HSA account will be drained.
Keep in mind most non HSA plans cap emergency room visits at $100, and have out of pocket caps on hospital stays. Your deductible doesn't ever come into play unless you are really sick. Even with that everything has been a copay.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 10, 2017, 03:37:46 PM
The non HSA plan was $100 more per month. I was just trying something new. Wish I hadn't.
If you are young and feeling invulnerable, I guess you can roll with an HSA. But if you go to doctor once a year, like everbody should, or develop anything that makes you twice a year, your HSA account will be drained.
Keep in mind most non HSA plans cap emergency room visits at $100, and have out of pocket caps on hospital stays. Your deductible doesn't ever come into play unless you are really sick. Even with that everything has been a copay.
Well, if those were your only visits to the doc that year, you would have saved about $700 with the HSA over the course of the year plus whatever you didn't pay in taxes. If you ended up going more than that (which you probably did), who knows. Like I said, it's all a bit of luck with the way things currently are. Get the best plan you can afford, but better to have an HSA with high deductible plan than nothing. Better to owe $10K than being bankrupted in an emergency.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 03:53:49 PM
Well, if those were your only visits to the doc that year, you would have saved about $700 with the HSA over the course of the year plus whatever you didn't pay in taxes. If you ended up going more than that (which you probably did), who knows. Like I said, it's all a bit of luck with the way things currently are. Get the best plan you can afford, but better to have an HSA with high deductible plan than nothing. Better to owe $10K than being bankrupted in an emergency.Under that plan, I would have paid $400 on the year. I get a sinus infection every spring and every fall. freaking allergies. My wife goes 3-4 times a year for various reasons, that X chromosome makes her more expensive. Add in all the meds and everything would be out of pocket.
Add to that... You might think, cool tax free savings account, but part of your payment deduction is going directly to the insurance company in fees. It more than offsets whatever tiny % in interest you are getting. Trust me, when employers, insurers and republicans laugh gleefully when you choose an HSA, there is a reason.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 10, 2017, 04:06:46 PM
Under that plan, I would have paid $400 on the year. I get a sinus infection every spring and every fall. freaking allergies. My wife goes 3-4 times a year for various reasons, that X chromosome makes her more expensive. Add in all the meds and everything would be out of pocket.
Add to that... You might think, cool tax free savings account, but part of your payment deduction is going directly to the insurance company in fees. It more than offsets whatever tiny % in interest you are getting. Trust me, when employers, insurers and republicans laugh gleefully when you choose an HSA, there is a reason.
No doubt, PPO is almost always best unless you luck out and and only go once or not at all to the doctor. All of what you listed above is better than having no insurance and getting sick.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 04:29:01 PM
No doubt, PPO is almost always best unless you luck out and and only go once or not at all to the doctor. All of what you listed above is better than having no insurance and getting sick.I agree completely. PPO is the funbags if you luck into one.
And yes, even an HSA will save your derriere if the worst happens. I guess my only point is that, for a healthy young single guy, HSA is fine. But even yearly blood tests will drain that account. For a girl, hell no.
For any guy with a wife and/or children on their plan, HSA is a nightmare.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 10, 2017, 05:07:45 PM
Under that plan, I would have paid $400 on the year. I get a sinus infection every spring and every fall. freaking allergies. My wife goes 3-4 times a year for various reasons, that X chromosome makes her more expensive. Add in all the meds and everything would be out of pocket.
Add to that... You might think, cool tax free savings account, but part of your payment deduction is going directly to the insurance company in fees. It more than offsets whatever tiny % in interest you are getting. Trust me, when employers, insurers and republicans laugh gleefully when you choose an HSA, there is a reason.
Tiny percent? It's not unreasonable to assume you would get 7-8% a year, which is what you SHOULD be getting.
And yes an HSA is 100% a risk, but if you get it when you're young and the savings in the premium are significant, you could easily end up with 100s of thousands of dollars banked up completely tax free 3 times for medical costs in your retirement year. That is how an intelligent person would take advantage of it.
You clearly are COMPLETELY ignorant of what a HSA is and how or why somebody would use it, and are constantly showing your ignorance by saying stupid excrement about them.
HSAs are not for everybody, but used correctly many people who have them could benefit, some will not.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 05:48:29 PM
Tiny percent? It's not unreasonable to assume you would get 7-8% a year, which is what you SHOULD be getting.
And yes an HSA is 100% a risk, but if you get it when you're young and the savings in the premium are significant, you could easily end up with 100s of thousands of dollars banked up completely tax free 3 times for medical costs in your retirement year. That is how an intelligent person would take advantage of it.
You clearly are COMPLETELY ignorant of what a HSA is and how or why somebody would use it, and are constantly showing your ignorance by saying stupid excrement about them.
HSAs are not for everybody, but used correctly many people who have them could benefit, some will not.
I'm ignorant?
Whatever % you are getting is more than offset by the fees you are getting charged by the insurance company.
You pay full overblown inflated medical costs any time you get within 5 feet of a doctor. You will need to eventually start seeing a doctor regularly. Fact of life.
One accident or illness will wipe out your account.
You are better off putting the money in a savings account.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 10, 2017, 05:50:44 PM
I'm ignorant?
Whatever % you are getting is more than offset by the fees you are getting charged by the insurance company.
You pay full overblown inflated medical costs any time you get within 5 feet of a doctor. You will need to eventually start seeing a doctor regularly. Fact of life.
One accident or illness will wipe out your account.
You are better off putting the money in a savings account.
You don't pay 7-8% a year in fees
And the annual deductible limits aren't a whole lot higher than that on Obamacare plans, which are glorified high deductible plans.
It's ok just admit you don't know anything about HSAs, many people don't
I don't see how you can excrement on high deductible plans with HSAs, but then pretend Obamacare isnt excrement despite it being entirely high deductible plans without the HSAs
Post by: Fenwyr on May 10, 2017, 06:15:53 PM
You don't pay 7-8% a year in feesI just had an HSA. I know exactly how much I was saving the company. I know exactly how much of my contribution was going to my account versus how much was going to the insurance company. Do you think the insurance companies do it for shits and giggles?
And the annual deductible limits aren't a whole lot higher than that on Obamacare plans, which are glorified high deductible plans.
It's ok just admit you don't know anything about HSAs, many people don't
I don't see how you can excrement on high deductible plans with HSAs, but then pretend Obamacare isnt excrement despite it being entirely high deductible plans without the HSAs
Again, for a young healthy single guy, its not a terrible option. The minute real life hits, it is the worse option possible.
Still laughing at the 100s of thousands by retirement age. freaking classic ignorant dcm.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 10, 2017, 06:54:43 PM
I just had an HSA. I know exactly how much I was saving the company. I know exactly how much of my contribution was going to my account versus how much was going to the insurance company. Do you think the insurance companies do it for shits and giggles?
Again, for a young healthy single guy, its not a terrible option. The minute real life hits, it is the worse option possible.
Still laughing at the 100s of thousands by retirement age. freaking classic ignorant dcm.
You realize you're supposed to contribute to your HSA,and your employer does/can too?
At 3,000 a year (which is a fraction of what you can contribute) at 7% for just 30 years is over 300,000$. If you build it up when you're young and healthy, it's completely realistic to have over 100k in your HSA before you're 60.
Sounds like you should look into getting a financial advisor.
Do you think the insurance companies offer Obamacare plans for shits and giggles? They do what they do to make money. Different plans work for different people, and an HSA makes sense for certain people. The biggest key for it is to start it and contribute when you're young
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2017, 09:17:11 PM
Under that plan, I would have paid $400 on the year. I get a sinus infection every spring and every fall. freaking allergies. My wife goes 3-4 times a year for various reasons, that X chromosome makes her more expensive. Add in all the meds and everything would be out of pocket.
Add to that... You might think, cool tax free savings account, but part of your payment deduction is going directly to the insurance company in fees. It more than offsets whatever tiny % in interest you are getting. Trust me, when employers, insurers and republicans laugh gleefully when you choose an HSA, there is a reason.
My monthly premium is $0. So the insurance company isn't getting anything from me that I'm aware of. The HSA is an option on my plan, it's the same exact plan whether or not you want to open an HSA, it is not in replacement of the plan at all.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2017, 09:22:08 PM
I'm ignorant?
Whatever % you are getting is more than offset by the fees you are getting charged by the insurance company.
You pay full overblown inflated medical costs any time you get within 5 feet of a doctor. You will need to eventually start seeing a doctor regularly. Fact of life.
One accident or illness will wipe out your account.
You are better off putting the money in a savings account.
I don't pay any fees or overblown medical costs as long as I go to an in-network doctor. I thimk we are talking about different things here. A HSA is not a replacement of your healthcare coverage in any way and I don't think it affects what you pay at the doctors office.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 10, 2017, 09:29:01 PM
Do you really want to go there?
Fox, Rush, and radio guys like him destroyed Obama every damn day. The flung excrement at the walls and nothing would stick, so just made even more excrement up. Trump got airtime on every network for years with his birther excrement. Benghazi, the result of a republican congress cutting funding, was on the news for years with Obama and Clinton in the crosshairs.
AYFKM?
Is this a freaking joke? Seriously, how in the bag for one side and deluded must one be to say that there's no liberal bias in the media?
Ok,so FoxNews, Rush and a couple of AM RADIO guys against THE ENTIRETY OF HOLLYWOOD, POP CULTURE, and every major mainstream news outlet going, not to mention all of the wannabe's the Slate's, ThinkProgs and Salons of the world. It's like we didn't just have a scandal in which emails were leaked showing political commentators from CNN, Politico, NYT and WaPo in collusion with the DNC during a Presidential election.
For fucks sake. I'm gonna get told by the same people that have no problem sharing DailyKos as some sort of legitimate source that there's not a bias in media. Whatever.
As far as where I got my news re: Clapper, idk maybe straight from the horse's freaking mouth.
"There wasn't — the evidence, if there was any, didn't reach the evidentiary bar in terms of the level of confidence that we were striving for in that intelligence community assessment." This was after Clapper reiterated what he said to Chuck Todd on national tv. NO. EVIDENCE. OF. COLLUSION.
Keep blaming Russia for the shortcomings of 2016 from the left, it's a great way to guarantee uninterrupted Republican governance for the next 6 years.
You know whats a great way to prevent hacking? Allowing the FBI to enforce your cyber security, AND NOT SETTING YOUR freaking PASSWORD AS "PASSWORD."
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2017, 10:32:55 PM
You're 100% wrong and have no idea what you're talking about.
He's a perfect foil for when you talk about Social Security.
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2017, 10:40:37 PM
And yes an HSA is 100% a risk, but if you get it when you're young and the savings in the premium are significant, you could easily end up with 100s of thousands of dollars banked up completely tax free 3 times for medical costs in your retirement year. That is how an intelligent person would take advantage of it.
A person so intelligent they can project a force field around their body and have the Seal Team Six of white blood cells.
Post by: Tommy on May 11, 2017, 01:08:56 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 11, 2017, 05:18:13 AM
A person so intelligent they can project a force field around their body and have the Seal Team Six of white blood cells.
Believe it or not, most people don't use catastrophic coverage, and these plans at least have it.
Post by: sg3 on May 11, 2017, 05:37:34 AM
Believe it or not, most people don't use catastrophic coverage, and these plans at least have it.Not
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Post by: ons on May 11, 2017, 06:54:00 AM
Its a fair criticism, but it also sort of downplays the ridiculous level of hyperbole that this story has grown to at this point.
Your complaints regarding hyperbole would ring more authentic if you didn't embrace hyperbole when it fit your own narrative.
Post by: sg3 on May 11, 2017, 07:08:30 AM
Seriously, I am a freaking joke for freaks sake.
Now you are finally getting how your support for America's Hitler sounds
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Post by: Badger on May 11, 2017, 07:16:06 AM
Your complaints regarding hyperbole would ring more authentic if you didn't embrace hyperbole when it fit your own narrative.Nice try, George Soros.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 11, 2017, 07:34:36 AM
Your complaints regarding hyperbole would ring more authentic if you didn't embrace hyperbole when it fit your own narrative.
Elaborate?
Now you are finally getting how your support for America's Hitler sounds
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Yes, Americas Hitler.
As we all know, Hitler would've totally allowed for dissenting opinions to be broadcast on internet message boards.
You're really embarrassing.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 11, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
Can't you guys just hug/bang and we can mend fences?
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2017, 08:21:14 AM
TRUMP IS TEARING US APART!!!!111ONE!Nice try, centrist.
Can't you guys just hug/bang and we can mend fences?
Post by: ons on May 11, 2017, 09:31:50 AM
Elaborate?
If you are talking about people you broadly don't agree with, they are delusional, regressive, divisive idiots. If you are talking about people you broadly agree with, sometimes about a topic with which they say something you think isn't quite right, they are calculating intellectuals who play up their flaws as a 'gimmick' to show just how psychotic and regressive their/your opponents are.
You generally play right into the hyperbolic nature of today's political climate, and then go on to consistently decry your 'opponents' for being hyperbolic/militant/regressive/divisive leftists/liberals.
If you'd like me to be more specific, give me a few days to have the time to go through the posts you've made here - but it's a reoccurring pattern.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 11, 2017, 10:03:35 AM
Post by: sg3 on May 11, 2017, 10:48:36 AM
Elaborate?Can't say...couldn't find any reports on Hitler's decisions and feelings about internet use. We, however, do know that America's Hitler has already signed EOs to restrict its use.
Yes, Americas Hitler.
As we all know, Hitler would've totally allowed for dissenting opinions to be broadcast on internet message boards.
You're really embarrassing.
The only embarrassing thing is your continued adoration of our Dictator being under complete control of Russia
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Post by: mj2sexay on May 11, 2017, 10:50:23 AM
If you are talking about people you broadly don't agree with, they are delusional, regressive, divisive idiots. If you are talking about people you broadly agree with, sometimes about a topic with which they say something you think isn't quite right, they are calculating intellectuals who play up their flaws as a 'gimmick' to show just how psychotic and regressive their/your opponents are.
You generally play right into the hyperbolic nature of today's political climate, and then go on to consistently decry your 'opponents' for being hyperbolic/militant/regressive/divisive leftists/liberals.
If you'd like me to be more specific, give me a few days to have the time to go through the posts you've made here - but it's a reoccurring pattern.
Sure. Whatever you say. I'm the one in here that's hyperbolic. Me. Just me.
I can find plenty of instances where I criticize the current administration. So go ahead.
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2017, 11:03:59 AM
I just want to know who doesn't go to the doctor from the time they start working until they turn 60 so they can build a nice $300k nest egg in their HSA.You should sell dcm some sweet whole life insurance.
Post by: ons on May 11, 2017, 11:09:39 AM
Me. Just me.
Yeah, you deciding that I am accusing you of being the only person who is hyperbolic is again part of the same pattern.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 11, 2017, 11:23:54 AM
You should sell dcm some sweet whole life insurance.
I was just thinking a couple of days ago how much I miss selling life insurance. Actually, I miss the idea of it, I don't miss the actual work of it. I'm a big advocate for whole life insurance.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 11, 2017, 11:44:08 AM
I was just thinking a couple of days ago how much I miss selling life insurance. Actually, I miss the idea of it, I don't miss the actual work of it. I'm a big advocate for whole life insurance.And according to the commercial, once your youngest turns 40, you won't need it anymore, and you can sell it to some company for pennies on the dollar. Then that company waits for you to die so they can collect.
That's some morbid derriere excrement right there.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 11, 2017, 11:48:05 AM
Ons is way more measured in his words than I am. I think his assessment is more than fair.
Sure. Whatever you say. I'm the one in here that's hyperbolic. Me. Just me.
I can find plenty of instances where I criticize the current administration. So go ahead.
For a young man, you really seem to know everything. And you are not afraid to let us know. Regardless if you are right, or dead wrong.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 11, 2017, 11:57:56 AM
And according to the commercial, once your youngest turns 40, you won't need it anymore, and you can sell it to some company for pennies on the dollar. Then that company waits for you to die so they can collect.
That's some morbid derriere excrement right there.
I don't know where that's from, but when I sold it, it was designed as a sort of savings/investment account. You could draw against its vested value once you were older and even use it as collateral for loans.
I firmly believe everyone with a spouse and/or kids should have life insurance. The expense of burials is astronomical, nevermind the loss of the person's income. We talk at length about health care expenses but rarely do people consider just how expensive it is to die.
Post by: Johnny English on May 11, 2017, 12:00:28 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/trump-explains-economics-to-the-economist-hilarity-ensues.html
Post by: Fenwyr on May 11, 2017, 12:06:38 PM
Is this a freaking joke? Seriously, how in the bag for one side and deluded must one be to say that there's no liberal bias in the media?
Ok,so FoxNews, Rush and a couple of AM RADIO guys against THE ENTIRETY OF HOLLYWOOD, POP CULTURE, and every major mainstream news outlet going, not to mention all of the wannabe's the Slate's, ThinkProgs and Salons of the world. It's like we didn't just have a scandal in which emails were leaked showing political commentators from CNN, Politico, NYT and WaPo in collusion with the DNC during a Presidential election.
For fucks sake. I'm gonna get told by the same people that have no problem sharing DailyKos as some sort of legitimate source that there's not a bias in media. Whatever.
What is the most watched cable news network? You know the one that until recently had the most watched cable news hour, where lying was OK because it was entertainment.
You are obsessed with blogs. Some of us don't read them at all. For every Dailykos, there are 10 Brietbarts. For every AM liberal radio outlet, there are 100 Rush Limbaughs.
You can bitch about Chris, Chris, and Rachel all you want. But they fact check themselves, and have no problem correcting themselves when they make a mistake. Not that I would imagine you listening to a liberal lesbian, but her investigative journalism into the Russia situation has been air tight. Not to mention MSNBC has 2 hours of programming with Republican hosts, and a Centrist in Chuck.
And who really gives a crap what most liberal celebrities think? I guarentee Kid Rock and Ted Nugent have far more sway over their target voter base.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 11, 2017, 12:10:19 PM
I don't know where that's from, but when I sold it, it was designed as a sort of savings/investment account. You could draw against its vested value once you were older and even use it as collateral for loans.I absolutely believe in death insurance. I know my wife will most likely outlive me. I will make sure I have something in place to lessen the burden on her.
I firmly believe everyone with a spouse and/or kids should have life insurance. The expense of burials is astronomical, nevermind the loss of the person's income. We talk at length about health care expenses but rarely do people consider just how expensive it is to die.
I'll see if I can find that commercial online. I see it 3 times a day here, and it makes me feel dirty every time.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 11, 2017, 12:12:17 PM
LOL.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/trump-explains-economics-to-the-economist-hilarity-ensues.html
Hahahahaha
At the end I pictured a drooling orange neanderthal, pointing to his driver's steering wheel and barking "HUBCAP!"
Post by: dcm1602 on May 11, 2017, 02:59:33 PM
I just want to know who doesn't go to the doctor from the time they start working until they turn 60 so they can build a nice $300k nest egg in their HSA.
With HSAs preventative care fan be covered, and that was just a single example, if you're married and contributing the max, it's totally feasible. HSAs have some major compounding power, they're not for everyone, but they serve a purpose and can be very good
Post by: dcm1602 on May 11, 2017, 03:01:53 PM
I don't know where that's from, but when I sold it, it was designed as a sort of savings/investment account. You could draw against its vested value once you were older and even use it as collateral for loans.
I firmly believe everyone with a spouse and/or kids should have life insurance. The expense of burials is astronomical, nevermind the loss of the person's income. We talk at length about health care expenses but rarely do people consider just how expensive it is to die.
Absolutely everybody should have life insurance. But whole life insurance is often considered a poor investment and term life insurance is more often encouraged
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 11, 2017, 03:16:35 PM
With HSAs preventative care fan be covered, and that was just a single example, if you're married and contributing the max, it's totally feasible. HSAs have some major compounding power, they're not for everyone, but they serve a purpose and can be very good
Sure. I wasn't saying HSAs are a bad thing, just that your example was kind of ridiculous. If you make it to 60 without ever visiting a doctor in adulthood you should donate your body to science.
Absolutely everybody should have life insurance. But whole life insurance is often considered a poor investment and term life insurance is more often encouraged
If you can afford a good diversified investment plan, then term is fine. If the loss of insurance after retirement is outbalanced by instead spending the premiums now in investments that can then be collected on, it's the better option. It's like the HSAs, no one size fits all.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 11, 2017, 03:26:47 PM
Sure. I wasn't saying HSAs are a bad thing, just that your example was kind of ridiculous. If you make it to 60 without ever visiting a doctor in adulthood you should donate your body to science.
If you can afford a good diversified investment plan, then term is fine. If the loss of insurance after retirement is outbalanced by instead spending the premiums now in investments that can then be collected on, it's the better option. It's like the HSAs, no one size fits all.
Again it's not never visiting a doctor, it's never getting diabetes or needing (lots of) surgery. Hell some people just pay cash for their medical care so their HSA can build uninterrupted for many years and compound with those tax benefits
Post by: bojanglesman on May 11, 2017, 03:35:09 PM
Absolutely everybody should have life insurance. But whole life insurance is often considered a poor investment and term life insurance is more often encouraged
Not everyone should have life insurance. Why should a person with no spouse or dependents have life insurance?
Post by: Miamipuck on May 11, 2017, 03:40:37 PM
Not everyone should have life insurance. Why should a person with no spouse or dependents have life insurance?
Charity
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 11, 2017, 03:57:43 PM
Again it's not never visiting a doctor, it's never getting diabetes or needing (lots of) surgery. Hell some people just pay cash for their medical care so their HSA can build uninterrupted for many years and compound with those tax benefits
Only wealthy people can pay cash for their healthcare. In their cases, maybe HSAs make sense, but I'd think they could find better investment options.
You said something to the effect that someone who never visits a doctor until age 60 would have a nice HSA built up. I was just giving you a hard time because it's ridiculous to never visit a doctor until age 60.
Not everyone should have life insurance. Why should a person with no spouse or dependents have life insurance?
If you're leaving anyone behind who'd have to pay for funeral costs and/or who would be responsible for your bills, you should have life insurance. If there's no one left for the bill collectors to chase, and you don't care about being dumped in an unmarked grave, skip the insurance and enjoy the money while you can still spend it.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 11, 2017, 04:29:21 PM
You going to goddamned steam' — Trump rails against the Navy's new catapult system (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-navy-catapult-system-time-interview-2017-5)
Post by: Badger on May 11, 2017, 04:57:23 PM
LOL.My favorite part was when they said Keynesian at him.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/trump-explains-economics-to-the-economist-hilarity-ensues.html
Post by: Tommy on May 11, 2017, 05:06:59 PM
Lmao ok .....I don't think Trump understands half the excrement he speaks about, the new catapults (electromagnetic) for the aircraft carriers are way better than the steam ones. Anyway, lol:
You going to goddamned steam' — Trump rails against the Navy's new catapult system (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-navy-catapult-system-time-interview-2017-5)
I mean, if people are going to cry about the size of our military budget, how could you be against a system that's cheap and has been working perfectly fine? Also we have 11 aircraft carriers and two under construction. All other countries combined have 8. Were fine with steam.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 11, 2017, 05:23:16 PM
I mean, if people are going to cry about the size of our military budget, how could you be against a system that's cheap and has been working perfectly fine? Also we have 11 aircraft carriers and two under construction. All other countries combined have 8. Were fine with steam.
Lmao thanks........
Post by: Fenwyr on May 11, 2017, 06:05:43 PM
Lmao ok .....I don't think Trump understands half the excrement he speaks about, the new catapults (electromagnetic) for the aircraft carriers are way better than the steam ones. Anyway, lol:Insert Shaggy 2 Dope 'magnets' gif.
You going to goddamned steam' — Trump rails against the Navy's new catapult system (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-navy-catapult-system-time-interview-2017-5)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 11, 2017, 06:28:38 PM
LOL.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/trump-explains-economics-to-the-economist-hilarity-ensues.html
Thank you.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 13, 2017, 01:39:36 PM
The latter is would be pouring a cup of water into a full cup of water. Missing the mark a bit.
Post by: Tommy on May 13, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
A couple days to reflect. Do you think he understands that 'prime the pump' in economic terms would mean some sort of stimulus package, or is he talking about tax cuts for the rich?
The latter is would be pouring a cup of water into a full cup of water. Missing the mark a bit.
I majored in economics and don't remember reading or hearing "prime the pump" being used in the context of using capital to stimulate the economy, which, by the way, can be construed as either through government works or through tax cuts and stimulating foreign capital investments.
The idiom doesn't apply to just economics, and can be used in a variety of contexts. He probably used the idiom in real estate. Maybe that's what he meant. This is just more "hur dur Trump said something stupid." I don't have much of an issue with The Economist, but most people who work their, especially their journalists, are pompous pricks. And their articles make it pretty evident that most of them don't embrace neoliberal economic policies.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 13, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 13, 2017, 02:30:29 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on May 13, 2017, 03:05:44 PM
I majored in economics and don't remember reading or hearing "prime the pump" being used in the context of using capital to stimulate the economy, which, by the way, can be construed as either through government works or through tax cuts and stimulating foreign capital investments.Please tell me you are just freaking with us at this point.
The idiom doesn't apply to just economics, and can be used in a variety of contexts. He probably used the idiom in real estate. Maybe that's what he meant. This is just more "hur dur Trump said something stupid." I don't have much of an issue with The Economist, but most people who work their, especially their journalists, are pompous pricks. And their articles make it pretty evident that most of them don't embrace neoliberal economic policies.
Post by: Tommy on May 13, 2017, 03:43:24 PM
He said that he invented it "a couple days" before the interview despite using it, albeit incorrectly, multiple times during the campaign.
I'm not arguing that was a dumb quote by him. I'm just saying that the phrase isn't limited to Economics, and isn't as common as people are saying.
Post by: Tommy on May 13, 2017, 03:43:49 PM
Please tell me you are just freaking with us at this point.
freak off with that nonsense.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 13, 2017, 04:17:53 PM
I'm not arguing that was a dumb quote by him. I'm just saying that the phrase isn't limited to Economics, and isn't as common as people are saying.But, it IS that common. Granted the guy had never had a well or a sump pump, and wouldn't even understand the concept of them. That's not an excuse.
The degree his daddy bought for him is in economics. He's been in business for 50 years. He probably heard the phrase hundreds of times.
You voted for a guy to be president, who's only qualifucations were being born rich, having success in real estate, and failing in everything else in life.
In 3 months he has proven himself to be a con man. The rest of us already knew that. You still defend him.
At this point you are in wilful ignorance territory Tommy. The Titanic has already hit the iceberg. If you want to play the violin while it sinks, so be it.
Post by: Badger on May 14, 2017, 08:35:26 AM
I'm not arguing that was a dumb quote by him. I'm just saying that the phrase isn't limited to Economics, and isn't as common as people are saying.
No one was saying it was limited to economics, and its meaning is pretty easy to figure out by context. So all we're left with is "that was a dumb quote by him."
Post by: sg3 on May 15, 2017, 06:50:29 PM
Now there are reliable reports he divulged classified materials to the Russians and their Tass spy at his oval office meeting with no US Press invited
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Post by: Johnny English on May 15, 2017, 06:57:39 PM
Gets worse every day.
Now there are reliable reports he divulged classified materials to the Russians and their Tass spy at his oval office meeting with no US Press invited
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He didn't just divulge them. The reports I read specifically used the word "boast". Senator Bob Corker (R, Tennessee, Chair of the Foreign Relations Committee) had some choice words about it.
Remind me, what was the big thing that Trump supporters were all up in arms about when it came to Hillary? Something about the mishandling of confidential information?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 15, 2017, 07:26:18 PM
Post by: sg3 on May 15, 2017, 08:28:59 PM
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Post by: Derek Smalls on May 15, 2017, 08:41:13 PM
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Post by: d sw0rdz on May 15, 2017, 10:03:13 PM
"That person is likely dead." - @JulietteKayyem on CNN about source who infiltrated ISIS who the President (THE PRESIDENT) just compromised
Astead W. HerndonVerified account @AsteadWH 3h
"Breaches like this will get Americans killed." - Robert Baer, former CIA officer, also on CNN.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 15, 2017, 11:30:28 PM
Astead W. HerndonVerified account @AsteadWH 3hBut but, Benghazi!
"That person is likely dead." - @JulietteKayyem on CNN about source who infiltrated ISIS who the President (THE PRESIDENT) just compromised
Astead W. HerndonVerified account @AsteadWH 3h
"Breaches like this will get Americans killed." - Robert Baer, former CIA officer, also on CNN.
Post by: sg3 on May 16, 2017, 03:06:06 AM
Astead W. HerndonVerified account @AsteadWH 3hBut what about her emails!
"That person is likely dead." - @JulietteKayyem on CNN about source who infiltrated ISIS who the President (THE PRESIDENT) just compromised
Astead W. HerndonVerified account @AsteadWH 3h
"Breaches like this will get Americans killed." - Robert Baer, former CIA officer, also on CNN.
"Anyone who is careless about classified info CANNOT be President"...Paul Ryan
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 16, 2017, 05:53:07 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 16, 2017, 06:13:56 AM
Fake News
Denial
Post by: sg3 on May 16, 2017, 06:14:05 AM
Fake NewsFake Poster
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Post by: mj2sexay on May 16, 2017, 07:29:41 AM
This certainly sounds like the actions of a reputable news source.
It's not quite Buzzfeed throwing an office party after Scalia's death so at least there's that.
Post by: ons on May 16, 2017, 08:44:07 AM
http://www.dailywire.com/news/16479/wapo-newsroom-celebrates-russia-leak-scoop-going-robert-kraychik
This certainly sounds like the actions of a reputable news source.
This is the only source:
"Applause in the newsroom as the Russia-leak scoop breaks the Hollywood Access record for most readers per minute"
That doesn't seem like a normal thing to do when your colleagues do a good job?
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It's not quite Buzzfeed throwing an office party after Scalia's death so at least there's that.
You sure you didn't completely make that up?
Post by: ons on May 16, 2017, 09:03:54 AM
You sure you didn't completely make that up?
My bad, you seem to have somehow kept track of a tidbit in a "news" story published by such reputable news sources such as gatewaypundit and truthrevolt about a certain Tim Treadstone who once mentioned the Scalia office party.
Same Tim Treadstone who in December called Mike Cernovich and Milo Yiannopoulos "massive cucks" for revoking his invitation to alt-right inauguration party "Deploraball" for being too anti-semitic. Tim Treadstone otherwise known as "Baked Alaska," a failed(?) stoner hip-hop artist who based his persona on being Alakan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=44&v=jQ6ctc9yndk
Reputable journalist, though. Probably.
Post by: Laxin on May 16, 2017, 09:07:26 AM
Remind me, what was the big thing that Trump supporters were all up in arms about when it came to Hillary? Something about the mishandling of confidential information?
No one seems to give a excrement about this now; it was a great story that Trump pitched to the American people. Bush's administration used private email servers, and Trump's staff was/is doing the same. No one really cares though. People just loved to hate Hillary.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 16, 2017, 09:44:04 AM
My bad, you seem to have somehow kept track of a tidbit in a "news" story published by such reputable news sources such as gatewaypundit and truthrevolt about a certain Tim Treadstone who once mentioned the Scalia office party.
Same Tim Treadstone who in December called Mike Cernovich and Milo Yiannopoulos "massive cucks" for revoking his invitation to alt-right inauguration party "Deploraball" for being too anti-semitic. Tim Treadstone otherwise known as "Baked Alaska," a failed(?) stoner hip-hop artist who based his persona on being Alakan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=44&v=jQ6ctc9yndk
Reputable journalist, though. Probably.
Lololol. And WaPo is? We have demonstrated proof of some of their reporters working in league with the DNC during the election. But I guess we aren't supposed to consider that because we were never supposed to know about it. Thanks Wikileaks!
Again, I find it incredibly disingenuous that you come down from on high to criticize my source material when people post from alternet and DailyKos like its gospel. It's about as off-base as neglecting to accuse people who assign personal characteristics to the Presidents kids based on their own view of the President of the same tribalism you accuse me of. I mean just read this board, they'll tell you all about how liberal bias in the media is a myth.
By the way, just for clarifications sake, I can't freaking stand Treadwell and think he's not only a poser, but an anti-semetic piece of excrement, but especially given the tenor of Buzzfeeds stories in the aftermath of Scalia's death that doesn't mean he was making it up. It's funny actually how when people bring up Treadwell or that other raging douchebag Spenser, nobody discusses how all they're doing is playing the identity politic game that the left loves so much (and especially in Spenser's case his personal politics. He has a lot more in common with the left than he does conservatism.)
And one more time, just because we don't know what Obama was doing that Saturday (because Earnest never told us) doesn't mean he wasn't playing golf. What. I'm not allowed the same hyperbole that so frequently is used on the current President? There's the same amount of proof that he went golfing that day as there is that Trump colluded with the Russians, so whats the difference?
You run along to Snopes now though because clearly people who have self-identified as ardently liberal in the past, who've run for political office and fail to disclose that fact (not to mention embezzle company money for whores) should totally be the gold standard of fact checking.
Post by: Johnny English on May 16, 2017, 10:10:57 AM
Again, I find it incredibly disingenuous that you come down from on high to criticize my source material when people post from alternet and DailyKos like its gospel.
I didn't remember anyone posting stories from either of those sites (I've never actually heard of alternet) so I ran a search.
Mentions of alternet: 1 (by you, in your last post)
Alternet links posted: 0
Mentions of Dailykos: 8 (6 by you, 2 by Tommy)
DailyKos links posted: 1 (by me, it was this one (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/26/1347677/-29-year-old-leaves-NFL-and-37-million-contract-to-become-farmer-in-order-to-feed-the-hungry))
You appear to be throwing punches at an imaginary enemy here.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 16, 2017, 10:14:04 AM
I didn't remember anyone posting stories from either of those sites (I've never actually heard of alternet) so I ran a search.
Mentions of alternet: 1 (by you, in your last post)
Alternet links posted: 0
Mentions of Dailykos: 8 (6 by you, 2 by Tommy)
DailyKos links posted: 1 (by me, it was this one (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/26/1347677/-29-year-old-leaves-NFL-and-37-million-contract-to-become-farmer-in-order-to-feed-the-hungry))
You appear to be throwing punches at an imaginary enemy here.
Considering Alio brought up DailyKos like 5 pages ago discussing the report that Spicer hid in the bushes, what are you talking about? Those numbers are incorrect.
Post by: Johnny English on May 16, 2017, 10:21:08 AM
Considering Alio brought up DailyKos like 5 pages ago discussing the report that Spicer hid in the bushes, what are you talking about? Those numbers are incorrect.
OK, I re-ran the search purely on the term Kos rather than DailyKos and you're right, he did mention them, but I think the context of that post was a bit more nuanced than "here's a story from the DailyKos so it must be true". (Granted the corroborating link was the bastion of truth and integrity that is the NYDN!) Other than that, there are mentions of kickoffs, knockouts and Stamkos, but nothing else from the DailyKos.
I think my point stands.
Post by: sg3 on May 16, 2017, 10:46:14 AM
Trump is a disastrous "President" and an ignorant Butthole working for Putin, not America.
Hopefully the sane part of the country gets him out in months, not years
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Post by: ons on May 16, 2017, 10:52:41 AM
Lololol. And WaPo is? We have demonstrated proof of some of their reporters working in league with the DNC during the election. But I guess we aren't supposed to consider that because we were never supposed to know about it. Thanks Wikileaks!
I understand that media outlets such as WaPo and the NYT are flawed - but I do believe that, as an institution, they tend to hold their reporters to a generally higher standard than many 'new media' news outlets.
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Again, I find it incredibly disingenuous that you come down from on high to criticize my source material when people post from alternet and DailyKos like its gospel.Who?
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It's about as off-base as neglecting to accuse people who assign personal characteristics to the Presidents kids based on their own view of the President of the same tribalism you accuse me of.Other posters here participate in tribalism. Other people's flaws are not excuses for yours.
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By the way, just for clarifications sake, I can't freaking stand Treadwell and think he's not only a poser, but an anti-semetic piece of excrement, but especially given the tenor of Buzzfeeds stories in the aftermath of Scalia's death that doesn't mean he was making it up. It's funny actually how when people bring up Treadwell or that other raging douchebag Spenser, nobody discusses how all they're doing is playing the identity politic game that the left loves so much (and especially in Spenser's case his personal politics. He has a lot more in common with the left than he does conservatism.)
I literally had no idea who Treadwell was until this morning, I don't think I have any idea who Spenser is? I was only looking for corroboration of your claim.
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And one more time, just because we don't know what Obama was doing that Saturday (because Earnest never told us) doesn't mean he wasn't playing golf. What. I'm not allowed the same hyperbole that so frequently is used on the current President? There's the same amount of proof that he went golfing that day as there is that Trump colluded with the Russians, so whats the difference?
You run along to Snopes now though because clearly people who have self-identified as ardently liberal in the past, who've run for political office and fail to disclose that fact (not to mention embezzle company money for whores) should totally be the gold standard of fact checking.
I don't have the energy to run through this mental gymnastic routine. I'll reiterate - I don't personally see that Trump directly colluded with Russia, but multiple elements of his actions in response to the investigation seem deeply problematic.
News sources should be judged on the merits of their stories. Snopes can be a useful source.
Conflating Obama supposedly prioritizing golf over Justice Scalia's funeral with Trump's cabinets' ties to Russia... I think you've won this exchange, because I give up.
Also wtf is alternet?
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2017, 11:31:29 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 16, 2017, 11:44:46 AM
http://www.dailywire.com/news/16479/wapo-newsroom-celebrates-russia-leak-scoop-going-robert-kraychikReally, you're mad that a newsroom is excited about breaking probably the biggest political story of my lifetime? This is probably the biggest professional victory for anyone who wrote on this story.
This certainly sounds like the actions of a reputable news source.
They broke a story that the freaking President is compromising our national security by giving classified information to one of our enemies. It also just so happens that it's Russia.
It's a huge win for the Washington Post. If I worked in that newsroom, I'd be excited, too. You think the reporters who broke Watergate weren't excited, too?
Post by: mj2sexay on May 16, 2017, 12:16:17 PM
I understand that media outlets such as WaPo and the NYT are flawed - but I do believe that, as an institution, they tend to hold their reporters to a generally higher standard than many 'new media' news outlets.
Yeah, WaPo's really able to maintain any sort of integrity while Dana Millbank still works there. So now unbiased reporters can just email political parties for opposition research, work to not corroborate said research and put it in their stories like its gospel? I'd call bullshit if that was done to any Democrat as well. I mean for fucks sake, this isn't even limited to Trump, you had Johnathan Capehart writing hit pieces on Bernie's civil rights record being a sham like the guy wasn't marching in the 60's. They clearly held water for one candidate, and in the process lost any sort of credibility that they had.
The days of Woodward and Bernstein actually meeting with an unnamed source and corroborating what he had to say are gone at that place.
I still reject this notion that I engage in tribalism by the way, I'm just extremely frustrated with the lefts inability to craft the correct argument. For example, I've gone over how I think Sessions is a raging poopchute, a total relic with a warped view on the current state of our criminal justice system. Tribalism would be me forgoing my reservations on say him or DeVos and saying, "hey great job Pres!" Tribalism would be me all of a sudden adopting a single-payer outlook because Trump happened to compliment Australia's healthcare system. If RBG should die while still an active member of the court, Trump skips her funeral and I try to justify it, feel free to correctly launch that charge.
Here's the root of my frustration and again I'll use Sessions as an example. Instead of attacking any reasonable and factual points as to why he shouldn't be AG, major facets of the media and retards like Lieawatha run towards racist despite a demonstrated record to the contrary. You don't find it ridiculous that Cory Booker (who I once voted for in his senate bid) could sit there and try to cast that accusation on Sessions when a year prior he was lauding the man for his contributions towards racial equality during his time as DA in Alabama and marched on Selma with him? I'm sorry, if my harsh language is harsh, but Warren is a freaking fraud. That's not engaging in tribalism when I'd gladly say the same thing about say the resident lord of the idiots on the island, Peter King when he decides to open his fat mouth in discussing say, the Eric Garner situation from a couple of years ago.
I meant thinkprogress and for some reason wrote alternet, so thats my fault, and your point is valid JE, but I don't see how it addressed mine? If Thinkprogress is considered a reputable source, I see no reason why gatewaypundit wouldn't be classified in the same manner.
I know it gets testy in here at points and that's the nature of the beast, but I hold absolutely zero resentment from this thread in any other aspect of anyones posts or opinions. I wouldn't post here if I did. For example, I'm not sure Fen and I with the exception of the Syria bombing have ever agreed on anything in this thread, but I thoroughly enjoy reading and usually find myself agreeing with his posts on tv/movies/video games etc. JE your posts on hockey and the Jets usually have me nodding my head in the affirmative, and while there's been no need for it this year because the fluke is over, your hatred and refusal to engage in any compliment towards Leicester because the Cinderella wasn't as squeaky clean as everyone liked to believe was freaking great. They're right on track towards relegation after two years which was your prediction.
I do consider WaPo to be a more reliable source of information than Shapiro's editorial blog. Unless I need the latest stories about campus safe spaces, then I know DW will be all over it.
You let me know when Shapiro gets caught doing half of what Millbank was caught doing. I know its not WaPo and this is an attack on Politico, but I'll take Shapiro's record of integrity over say, Glenn" I AM A HACK" Thrush. Those are his words to Podesta btw, not mine.
And I'd love to see anyone accuse Shapiro of engaging in tribalism when it comes to Trump. He shits on him. Repeatedly. Over and over again. Even in cases where I personally think it might not be warranted (Shapiro is shall we say, a little clouded in his judgement on anything and everything in relation to Israel). Andrew Klaven (also of DailyWire) was widely shared by people who were anti-Trump after producing a video clip in which he completely blisters the candidate and his supporters "I'M ANGRY SO I'M VOTING FOR TRUMP."
Really, you're mad that a newsroom is excited about breaking probably the biggest political story of my lifetime? This is probably the biggest professional victory for anyone who wrote on this story.
They broke a story that the freaking President is compromising our national security by giving classified information to one of our enemies. It also just so happens that it's Russia.
It's a huge win for the Washington Post. If I worked in that newsroom, I'd be excited, too. You think the reporters who broke Watergate weren't excited, too?
The difference between this and WaterGate is that Woodward and Bernstein actually worked to try and corroborate what Deep Throat was saying as opposed to just nakedly taking it as fact. And I'm more mad that WaPo has people engaged in the hyperbole of thinking this is anything like Watergate or the biggest political story of their lifetime. RICHARD ENGEL for God's sake who's the farthest thing from a water carrier for this administration states that the report is completely off-base in terms of the information that was given to the Russians, and the level of classification. Which is kind of central to the story. According to him (and those fervent Trumpites over at NBC), this information wasn't code-word info, but information relating to an ISIS/airline threat involving laptops. Which again, according to Engel, is NOTHING NEW.
By the way, if you're so worried about giveaways to our enemies, I'm sure you hated the Iran deal, no?
Post by: Pope on May 16, 2017, 12:19:31 PM
Thanks Don :)
Post by: Johnny English on May 16, 2017, 01:14:27 PM
I know it gets testy in here at points and that's the nature of the beast, but I hold absolutely zero resentment from this thread in any other aspect of anyones posts or opinions. I wouldn't post here if I did.
Nothing on this site is meant, or taken, as a personal insult, at least not by me. I like the fact that the vast majority of the political discussion on here, chippy though it might get at times, manages to avoid descending into calling people cucks, libtards, neckbeards, snowflakes, deplorables, teabaggers or any of the other playground insults that are beloved of some of the internet's more developmentally challenged denizens.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 16, 2017, 01:20:10 PM
Nothing on this site is meant, or taken, as a personal insult, at least not by me. I like the fact that the vast majority of the political discussion on here, chippy though it might get at times, manages to avoid descending into calling people cucks, libtards, neckbeards, snowflakes, deplorables, teabaggers or any of the other playground insults that are beloved of some of the internet's more developmentally challenged denizens.
+1
Using Tommy as an example, I disagree with the vast majority of his political opinions and have no problem arguing them with him, but I'd absolutely buy the guy a beer.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 16, 2017, 01:46:33 PM
Nothing on this site is meant, or taken, as a personal insult, at least not by me. I like the fact that the vast majority of the political discussion on here, chippy though it might get at times, manages to avoid descending into calling people cucks, libtards, neckbeards, snowflakes, deplorables, teabaggers or any of the other playground insults that are beloved of some of the internet's more developmentally challenged denizens.
My sentiments are freak each and every one of you guys,I hate you all. If I won lotto, I would put a hit out on all of you, starting with Bo or MB or JE or Badger or Seafood or Koz or ........
Post by: Tommy on May 16, 2017, 05:42:09 PM
+1
Using Tommy as an example, I disagree with the vast majority of his political opinions and have no problem arguing them with him, but I'd absolutely buy the guy a beer.
Likewise. Not the beer part, though. You can pay for them.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 16, 2017, 06:30:29 PM
Nothing on this site is meant, or taken, as a personal insult, at least not by me. I like the fact that the vast majority of the political discussion on here, chippy though it might get at times, manages to avoid descending into calling people cucks, libtards, neckbeards, snowflakes, deplorables, teabaggers or any of the other playground insults that are beloved of some of the internet's more developmentally challenged denizens.Politics are a bitch these days. Its fun to vent here. Im glad we have a variety of view points. Nothing is really meant or taken personally.
Post by: Johnny English on May 16, 2017, 06:47:19 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 16, 2017, 07:03:55 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 16, 2017, 07:11:14 PM
Post by: Mehta Source on May 16, 2017, 08:22:09 PM
even if trump is gone i don't want pence eitherHow about Hatch?
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2017, 08:45:57 PM
One U.S. official who works on counterterrorism operations said that the president seemed “utterly unaware” of the nature of intelligence operations and indifferent to the restrictions that officials place on information that is hard-won and intended for a small circle.
The Israeli source was considered so sensitive that the U.S. hadn’t shared it with its closest allies in the so-called Five Eyes group, which includes the U.K. and Canada, the officials said. It came from a source, which is still unidentified, that Israel had developed before Mr. Trump was elected.
One former official who maintains close ties to the White House described a scene in which demoralized security officials have been racing to address one controversy after another. The conversation with the Russians in the Oval Office, while not likely to damage current operations, embarrasses the U.S. among its closest allies, the former official said.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 16, 2017, 08:50:03 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-trump-shared-with-russia-was-from-israel-officials-say-1494960259
One U.S. official who works on counterterrorism operations said that the president seemed “utterly unaware” of the nature of intelligence operations and indifferent to the restrictions that officials place on information that is hard-won and intended for a small circle.
The Israeli source was considered so sensitive that the U.S. hadn’t shared it with its closest allies in the so-called Five Eyes group, which includes the U.K. and Canada, the officials said. It came from a source, which is still unidentified, that Israel had developed before Mr. Trump was elected.
One former official who maintains close ties to the White House described a scene in which demoralized security officials have been racing to address one controversy after another. The conversation with the Russians in the Oval Office, while not likely to damage current operations, embarrasses the U.S. among its closest allies, the former official said.
In b4 Trump is impeached
Post by: ons on May 16, 2017, 11:09:28 PM
I still reject this notion that I engage in tribalism by the way, I'm just extremely frustrated with the lefts inability to craft the correct argument.
Then stop talking about the 'left' and ;leftists' as some monolith. Figure out some freaking nuance in your criticism.s
Post by: Fenwyr on May 16, 2017, 11:33:26 PM
Then stop talking about the 'left' and ;leftists' as some monolith. Figure out some freaking nuance in your criticism.sYou really should listen to this guy mj. He has a fair point.
Back to the the liberal MSM myth. The most watched MSM network is Fox News. It might have been a thing a decade ago, but the right wing gets the most viewers and listeners since Obama took office.
Post by: Laxin on May 17, 2017, 07:15:00 AM
even if trump is gone i don't want pence either
This excrement scares me almost as much as Trump: https://www.autostraddle.com/i-was-trained-for-the-culture-wars-in-home-school-awaiting-someone-like-mike-pence-as-a-messiah-367057/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 17, 2017, 08:42:47 AM
You really should listen to this guy mj. He has a fair point.
Lolll
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 17, 2017, 08:43:31 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 17, 2017, 08:45:47 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on May 17, 2017, 09:08:14 AM
Pence would be far less entertaining than trump and probably just as badPence has cunty religious views on everything, but the chances of him accidentally causing a war are astronomically less.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 17, 2017, 10:07:53 AM
Then stop talking about the 'left' and ;leftists' as some monolith. Figure out some freaking nuance in your criticism.s
It's like you cherry picked a quote without then reading the follow up, repeating instead the same thing you've been saying for three pages while offering nothing else besides an apparent disdain for the terms that I use.
Just out of curiosity, how many examples would I find if I were to go back and cherry pick of everyone on this board making a blanket statement about the right, voters of Trump etc? I mean, sure it doesn't excuse my behavior, but I think its fair to say I'm a little outnumbered around these parts and getting defensive is fairly natural.
You really should listen to this guy mj. He has a fair point.
Back to the the liberal MSM myth. The most watched MSM network is Fox News. It might have been a thing a decade ago, but the right wing gets the most viewers and listeners since Obama took office.
You ever think that maybe FoxNews is the most watched network because they've found a vacancy in the marketplace and capitalized on it? I think people that rely on FoxNews for their actual substantive news are ludicrous, but at the same time, you have all of these liberal outlets whether in print or tv fighting for one half of the population, while for better or worse (as a sidenote, would it be fair to say when someone says "for better or worse" it ALWAYS means worse?) Fox is identified as the leader in presenting...whatever they present from a "conservative" bend. Again, aside from the occasional viewing of Tucker depending on his guest, or Gutfeld, I don't watch Fox, or really any cable news. The only cable "infotainment" I've seen in the last two weeks was the Cooper-Conway interview on CNN last week, which was a total clusterfuck on both sides.
Pence would be far less entertaining than trump and probably just as bad
Pence is so much more beatable in a national election. That's the entirety IMHO of where the preference comes from. No one who wants Trump "IMPEACHED REEEEE" gives a excrement about ceding control to a leading power figure within the dying religious right because they know those are the easiest people to trounce in a national election. No one is considering that two more SCOTUS seats in the next three years might open up, and if they thought Gorsuch was bad I could only imagine who'd be on a President Pence's shortlist.
It's the same reason why once the left successfully identified Cruz with said group, Hillary would've actually beaten him in a national election. Easiest way to produce apathy among the more socially moderate to liberal conservatives, and especially the libertarians that hold their nose and vote Republican.
Pence has cunty religious views on everything, but the chances of him accidentally causing a war are astronomically less.
Considering how Trump handled the Syrian situation (after prophecies of WW3) and considering the fact that we still don't know the level of information that Trump shared with the Russians (those Trump boosters at NBC haven't backed off that this info was related to ISIS utilizing laptops in airline attacks which is something that's apparently common knowledge), while you're right that Pence isn't more likely to "accidentally" start a war, the chances of him deliberately starting a war are higher, especially when you consider that Pence has a much better relationship with, and listens to the McCain's of Congress who just want to bomb bomb bomb, bombombombomb and their hawkish view on foreign policy.
Post by: Johnny English on May 17, 2017, 10:20:15 AM
we still don't know the level of information that Trump shared with the Russians (those Trump boosters at NBC haven't backed off that this info was related to ISIS utilizing laptops in airline attacks which is something that's apparently common knowledge)
As I understand it, the issue is that Trump added additional information related to the origin of the intelligence which in turn potentially compromises significant foreign intelligence assets (believed to be Israeli). Given Russia's ties to Iran, if it is the Israelis who gave that info to the US intel community then it's easy to see why this is a very awkward position that Trump has now created.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 17, 2017, 10:27:12 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 17, 2017, 10:54:58 AM
Guess who's visiting Israel next week.
Presumably to have another go at building the Trump Hotel Tel Aviv after he got slapped down in court following the failure of the last attempt.
Post by: ons on May 17, 2017, 11:10:58 AM
It's like you cherry picked a quote without then reading the follow up, repeating instead the same thing you've been saying for three pages while offering nothing else besides an apparent disdain for the terms that I use.
Yeah, the follow-up where you call Elizabeth Warren "Lieawatha"? I don't have any patience for that level of bullshit buried in platitudes about how intelligently you manage to criticize Republicans occasionally too.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 17, 2017, 11:15:45 AM
Quote
Major Garrett @MajorCBS
"No politician in history....has been treated worse or more unfairly." @POTUS today, describing himself, at @USCG commencement speech.
Someone needs a safe space.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2017, 11:44:25 AM
Someone needs a safe space.
From a guy whose Twitter feed is full of attacks on a President he claimed was a Muslim born in a foreign nation.
Post by: Tommy on May 17, 2017, 02:26:50 PM
Guess who's visiting Israel next week.
Why's that bad?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 17, 2017, 02:33:48 PM
Why's that bad?
Israel is supposedly the source of the information Trump leaked to the Russians.
Post by: Laxin on May 17, 2017, 03:27:17 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/333781-dem-lawmaker-will-call-for-trumps-impeachment-on-house-floor
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 17, 2017, 04:00:11 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 17, 2017, 04:07:18 PM
It's silly to call for his impeachment today. There's going to be a hearing next week, and Comey has been invited to testify. Calling for impeachment now just fans smoke around before the flame is hot enough to burn.I've thought for a while there would be impeachment calls. This could very well lead us down that road. However, I agree, there's still more to come, and doing it now is too soon.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 17, 2017, 05:25:11 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on May 17, 2017, 06:18:44 PM
Former FBI director Bob Mueller appointed by Justice Department to take over Russia investigation.Note to self. Never throw the DAG under the bus a week after hiring him, particularly not when the AG is recused.
Mueller is a pitbull. If something criminal is there, he will find it.
Trump appoints a mostly independant Jew as FBI director. Lieberman is a solid choice. Very good optics for once. Likely too little too late though.
Post by: reuben on May 17, 2017, 06:31:18 PM
Former FBI director Bob Mueller appointed by Justice Department to take over Russia investigation.(https://i.giphy.com/XuBJvrKHutnkQ.gif)
Post by: bojanglesman on May 17, 2017, 06:52:25 PM
Trump appoints a mostly independant Jew as FBI director. Lieberman is a solid choice. Very good optics for once. Likely too little too late though.
Just an interview, not appointed.
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2017, 08:07:28 PM
Note to self. Never throw the DAG under the bus a week after hiring him, particularly not when the AG is recused.
Mueller is a pitbull. If something criminal is there, he will find it.
Trump appoints a mostly independant Jew as FBI director. Lieberman is a solid choice. Very good optics for once. Likely too little too late though.
Lieberman is a queynte and as far as I can tell hasn't been appointed to anything yet.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 17, 2017, 08:13:59 PM
Lieberman is a queynte and as far as I can tell hasn't been appointed to anything yet.Ditto and ditto.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 17, 2017, 08:51:57 PM
Lieberman is a queynte and as far as I can tell hasn't been appointed to anything yet.
Top 3 in my queynte power rankings
Post by: Fenwyr on May 17, 2017, 09:00:18 PM
Yeah, my bad. I must have misread the scroll. FAKE NEWS!
Just an interview, not appointed.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 17, 2017, 09:01:44 PM
Top 3 in my queynte power rankingsTo be honest I haven't even thought about him in 15 years.
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2017, 09:30:30 PM
http://nypost.com/2017/05/17/trumps-presidency-facing-monumental-failure-unless-he-wises-up-pronto/
Post by: Johnny English on May 17, 2017, 09:55:47 PM
More unfair smears from the liberal media:
http://nypost.com/2017/05/17/trumps-presidency-facing-monumental-failure-unless-he-wises-up-pronto/
#fakenews
Post by: ukilledkenny on May 18, 2017, 09:14:25 AM
Post by: Laxin on May 18, 2017, 09:42:20 AM
No time or desire to really dive into any of this latest crap. Does the Seth Rich thing seem legit or is it just something for the Trump people to scream about instead of dealing with Trump being a failure?
Doesn't seem legit, no substantial evidence... the private investigator (who certainly doesn't seem objective) is basing his whole report off of a suspicion. Isn't this always what happens with Trump? He gets into a mess, and coincidentally some other story, usually fabricated by himself or some other right wing "news outlet", pops up shortly after to try and draw attention away from his mess.
I think the excrement storm he has himself in right now is too big to distract people from.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 18, 2017, 09:46:24 AM
Doesn't seem legit, no substantial evidence... the private investigator (who certainly doesn't seem objective) is basing his whole report off of a suspicion. Isn't this always what happens with Trump? He gets into a mess, and coincidentally some other story, usually fabricated by himself or some other right wing "news outlet", pops up shortly after to try and draw attention away from his mess.There are still 30-40% of Americans that will accept this as gospel.
I think the excrement storm he has himself in right now is too big to distract people from.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 18, 2017, 09:55:30 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 18, 2017, 10:47:08 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/334049-gop-senator-flynn-wont-comply-with-committees-subpoena
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 18, 2017, 11:27:18 AM
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2017, 11:30:31 AM
No time or desire to really dive into any of this latest crap. Does the Seth Rich thing seem legit or is it just something for the Trump people to scream about instead of dealing with Trump being a failure?Yes.
Post by: Jumbo on May 18, 2017, 02:32:23 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 18, 2017, 03:04:43 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 18, 2017, 11:34:00 PM
Fake Poster
Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk
this is my favorite post in a while
Post by: Badger on May 20, 2017, 08:53:53 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 21, 2017, 04:02:54 PM
Post by: reuben on May 21, 2017, 04:05:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAYQqwsUwAE6zV9.jpg)
Why does this make me think of Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Post by: Fenwyr on May 22, 2017, 10:39:14 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAYQqwsUwAE6zV9.jpg)So now he's part of ISIL?
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2017, 11:19:46 AM
One Two Three Four FIF
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 22, 2017, 11:59:52 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on May 22, 2017, 12:50:38 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2017, 02:00:11 PM
Trump denied mentioning Israel to the Russians. That's good because no one was accusing him of divulging the source of the intel.
Israel is supposedly the source of the information Trump leaked to the Russians.
I'm confused. Are we talking about divulging the source or the info? Both? No idea anymore. So I guess he confirmed who it was by saying this.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 22, 2017, 02:32:26 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 22, 2017, 03:16:09 PM
I'm confused. Are we talking about divulging the source or the info? Both? No idea anymore. So I guess he confirmed who it was by saying this.
Trump was accused of divulging intel that came from Israel, not that Israel was the source. My last post was sarcastic.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 22, 2017, 03:20:03 PM
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2017, 03:40:22 PM
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Post by: Fenwyr on May 22, 2017, 04:56:23 PM
Nice job Trump, officially saying on a national stage what we already knew.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 22, 2017, 04:57:22 PM
Nice targeted adsI miss the black and white hotty with the enormous funbags.
Jewbs(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170522/52ec81e84b643e157adc78f49a0dcc3e.jpg)
Post by: Tommy on May 22, 2017, 05:03:29 PM
Tommy must be really busy with his new job, afraid to show his face in this thread, or both.
Nice job Trump, officially saying on a national stage what we already knew.
Too busy to get dragged into political fights. I honestly don't really care anymore.
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2017, 10:44:52 PM
Too busy to get dragged into political fights. I honestly don't really care anymore.
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Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 23, 2017, 09:41:09 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 23, 2017, 02:56:37 PM
Accepting foreign payments from authoritatian regimes? Who does he think he is? Hillary Clinton?
Yeah, brokering an arms deal is totally the same as accepting foreign donations to your personal "charitable foundation."
Post by: Fenwyr on May 23, 2017, 03:10:27 PM
Yeah, brokering an arms deal is totally the same as accepting foreign donations to your personal "charitable foundation."Ivanka says hello. I guess you intentionally missed that part.
Post by: Jumbo on May 23, 2017, 03:30:26 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2017, 04:28:45 PM
http://time.com/4791113/trump-budget-math-mistake/
Post by: mj2sexay on May 23, 2017, 05:26:28 PM
Ivanka says hello. I guess you intentionally missed that part.
which part? the part where she advocated for a charity owned and operated by the world bank?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 23, 2017, 06:15:04 PM
Yeah, brokering an arms deal is totally the same as accepting foreign donations to your personal "charitable foundation."
Way to spin selling $110 billion in arms to a government responsible for war crimes and gross human rights abuses.
And don't pretend that you wouldn't be up in arms if a Democratic president brokered the same deal with the Saudis.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2017, 06:25:47 PM
Way to spin selling $110 billion in arms to a government responsible for war crimes and gross human rights abuses.
And don't pretend that you wouldn't be up in arms if a Democratic president brokered the same deal with the Saudis.
Islamaphobe
Post by: reuben on May 23, 2017, 06:27:14 PM
lolwhoops
http://time.com/4791113/trump-budget-math-mistake/
Hey, he's a businessman, not a mathingman.
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2017, 06:29:25 PM
Way to spin selling $110 billion in arms to a government responsible for war crimes and gross human rights abuses.As I understand it, the deal was brokered by Obama but he changed his mind on signing it because of concerns that the armaments would be used against Yemeni citizens.
And don't pretend that you wouldn't be up in arms if a Democratic president brokered the same deal with the Saudis.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 23, 2017, 06:42:18 PM
As I understand it, the deal was brokered by Obama but he changed his mind on signing it because of concerns that the armaments would be used against Yemeni citizens.
You're right.
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2017, 06:43:14 PM
https://theintercept.com/2017/05/23/media-falsely-claim-white-house-budget-spares-social-security-from-cuts/
Post by: Fenwyr on May 23, 2017, 06:44:07 PM
which part? the part where she advocated for a charity owned and operated by the world bank?She gave a million dollar speach for a charity she helped found and actively supports. She is an employee of the white house. She cannot do that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 24, 2017, 11:26:22 AM
It cuts billions from education.
Oh, and bee-tee-dubs: Trump has retained a lawyer for the ongoing Russia investigation. I read a long twitter thread yesterday about how that's a significant sign. It was always going to be a long drawn out process, as criminal investigations always are, but this is a big phase because it likely means he and his people now realize investigators are on the right trail.
Also, today the CBO releases its score on the AHCA.
Post by: Johnny English on May 24, 2017, 11:30:57 AM
Oh, and bee-tee-dubs: Trump has retained a lawyer for the ongoing Russia investigation.
..... from the same firm that employs Liebermann, his preference for the FBI job, as a senior counsel.
Good job draining that swamp, Don.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 24, 2017, 11:59:16 AM
..... from the same firm that employs Liebermann, his preference for the FBI job, as a senior counsel.
Good job draining that swamp, Don.
In fairness to Trump, he freely admitted the whole "draining the swamp" thing was a hokey phrase he had no interest in using, but his team forced it on him.
Also, in fairness, he knew from day one he was going to reduce the lobbyists in Washington--thereby "draining the swamp"--by bypassing them and just directly hiring the rich and powerful who were payrolling them.
So really, we can't hold that one against him.
Post by: reuben on May 24, 2017, 03:59:04 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on May 25, 2017, 12:21:06 AM
Trump apparently told President Duterte we have nuclear subs off the Korean coast. The best subs. I mean you wouldn't believe these subs.Any other president in history is removed from office for this alone.
I'm going to hang out with Towlie.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 25, 2017, 10:43:52 AM
Hey guys, y'all don't need to look very far. Hell, there's an orange beacon to signal its location!
Post by: bojanglesman on May 25, 2017, 10:46:01 AM
The Trump administration announced this morning that they will begin investigating, and possibly prosecuting, the source of all the leaks coming out.
Hey guys, y'all don't need to look very far. Hell, there's an orange beacon to signal its location!
This reminds me of when my Mom would ask my Dad to fix something around the house and my Dad would say he'd get around to it. Translation- I'm not going to bother.
Post by: Johnny English on May 25, 2017, 12:10:40 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/335122-trump-appears-to-push-his-way-to-front-of-nato-group
Post by: Fenwyr on May 25, 2017, 12:19:26 PM
The Trump administration announced this morning that they will begin investigating, and possibly prosecuting, the source of all the leaks coming out.Orange beacon. So funny if you watched the last episode of American Gods.
Hey guys, y'all don't need to look very far. Hell, there's an orange beacon to signal its location!
Post by: Badger on May 25, 2017, 01:00:26 PM
Why are people surprised? Wasn't this explicitly stated on his campaign site? Or were people too busy hurrdurring over "how's he gonna make Mexico pay for it?"
And IF the wall was 100% going to happen, this would probably be the most palatable way to pay for it.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 25, 2017, 01:47:06 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ye844js13ozy.gif)
"Important people, coming through. Move little country person. Power tie lover of the older lady!"
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 25, 2017, 01:55:54 PM
I would rather have Ted freaking Cruz as the President right now. This poopchute represents us to the entire planet.
And save the whole: "who fuckin' gives a excrement what other countries think of us" bullshit.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 25, 2017, 02:59:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 25, 2017, 03:47:21 PM
Post by: reuben on May 25, 2017, 04:39:55 PM
I would rather have Ted freaking Cruz as the President right now.
"Ted Cruz is one being and not several." ~Guy Manderson
Post by: Badger on May 25, 2017, 04:39:57 PM
I would rather have Ted freaking Cruz as the President right now.
Ehhhhh debatable
Post by: Pope on May 25, 2017, 05:12:35 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 25, 2017, 05:43:10 PM
Trump is the return of 'slap your big American rooster on the table and take no bullshit' ideals that the cucks do not like
"Being a tool is cool"
Post by: bojanglesman on May 25, 2017, 05:58:17 PM
Post by: Tommy on May 25, 2017, 07:32:28 PM
I'm still laughing at Trump pushing his way to the front in that video. Right or wrong, it's still funny. He's a big American poopchute.
My dad has been an ardent Trump supporter from the very beginning beginning, but after seeing him above the prime minister of Montenegro (my dad's home country), he called me today to tell me how much of an idiot Trump is and disrespectful. Haha.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 25, 2017, 07:53:14 PM
My dad has been an ardent Trump supporter from the very beginning beginning, but after seeing him above the prime minister of Montenegro (my dad's home country), he called me today to tell me how much of an idiot Trump is and disrespectful. Haha.The best part was the coat pull at the end.
Post by: Tommy on May 25, 2017, 07:54:16 PM
The best part was the coat pull at the end.
Haha yeah. And acted like nothing happened.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 25, 2017, 07:58:01 PM
Post by: Laxin on May 26, 2017, 06:11:52 AM
https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0Iwg0F6j5wTN3X2/giphy.gif
Post by: bojanglesman on May 26, 2017, 07:45:01 AM
Another gem...
https://media.giphy.com/media/3og0Iwg0F6j5wTN3X2/giphy.gif
It's fake, but still funny.
Post by: Tommy on May 26, 2017, 08:08:44 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 26, 2017, 01:04:20 PM
The trademark lawsuit should be fun, if he's dumb enough to try and bring one in a Mexican court.
Post by: Tommy on May 26, 2017, 01:24:54 PM
In his defense, maybe that guy came to a stop right in front of him and he was sidestepping him, not pushing him. He did grimace a little like he ran into him. It's funnier the other way though. I'll be up all night analyzing it.
I heard he told his fellow countrymen that he didn't mind because "The president of the US deserves to be in front, so"
Talk about being put in your place.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 26, 2017, 01:39:46 PM
Taking the high road isn't being put in your place.
Also, the world is tearing us a new poopchute over it. But again, people think "freak yeah, 'Murica" and think that international opinion has no bearing on us.
Post by: Johnny English on May 29, 2017, 10:15:25 AM
I suggest that we add more dollars to Healthcare and make it the best anywhere. ObamaCare is dead - the Republicans will do much better!
Umm, Don..... the budget that you submitted a few days ago called for cuts of over $800B to healthcare. Do you even have the first clue what you're doing?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 29, 2017, 03:42:51 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on May 29, 2017, 04:29:55 PM
Really shows that he and the conservative budget hawks are on the same page. Also pretty clear that he had next to nothing to do with the budget that his administration submitted.That was Paul Ryans budget. Like his grandfather, Eddie Munster is also a vampire.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2017, 09:17:04 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2017, 09:55:06 PM
Post by: Tommy on May 30, 2017, 09:58:19 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/trump-wants-to-deport-ms-13-gang-members-el-salvador-is-dreading-their-return/2017/05/24/1e0ec5ae-39bf-11e7-a59b-26e0451a96fd_story.html
How inconsiderate of us to not harbor violent criminals here illegally from another country and force them back home.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 31, 2017, 09:31:47 AM
How inconsiderate of us to not harbor violent criminals here illegally from another country and force them back home.Let's not start a debate where one isn't required. Anyone on either side of the fence who doesn't want illegal felons deported is an idiot.
But it would be nice if ICE could not concentrate on public schools.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2017, 09:44:13 AM
Let's not start a debate where one isn't required. Anyone on either side of the fence who doesn't want illegal felons deported is an idiot.
But it would be nice if ICE could not concentrate on public schools.
Everyone knows public schools are a breeding ground for gangbangers.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 31, 2017, 10:33:10 AM
Also, the Earth is flat. And dinosaurs were never real. They were faked along with the moon landing.
#covfefe
Post by: Fenwyr on May 31, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 11:37:47 AM
Let's not start a debate where one isn't required. Anyone on either side of the fence who doesn't want illegal felons deported is an idiot.
But it would be nice if ICE could not concentrate on public schools.
Yeah, but why wait until they commit a felony and are caught before deporting them? They're already breaking the law by being here in the first place. No one is saying that all illegals are violent criminals, but, by definition, they are criminals.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 31, 2017, 11:38:47 AM
Our cities will look like China before this fucktard is out of office. Oh, how I miss acid rain. So underrated.
All joking aside, we're only 3.6 degrees from irreversible climate impact. And we're a long way from colonizing another planet to rape for resources.
What exactly do people think is going to happen to their children? I can understand being selfish and wanting to maximize your lifestyle today, even at the expense of your descendants. But your own children? Grandchildren? I mean, you have to be a real piece of excrement to care that little for your own direct spawn.
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2017, 11:41:34 AM
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 11:44:06 AM
Our cities will look like China before this fucktard is out of office. Oh, how I miss acid rain. So underrated.
I don't know much about the agreement so I'll wait until I read the treaty before I critique it.
Here it is if anyone is interested: https://treaties.un.org/doc/Treaties/2016/02/20160215%2006-03%20PM/Ch_XXVII-7-d.pdf
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 31, 2017, 11:48:36 AM
I was half listening to a piece on one of the news channels this morning, the guy was saying that this is exactly the news that China wanted as they have been aggressively pursuing alternative energy technologies and the US pulling out of Paris gives them a wide open run to dominate the market. I don't know enough about it to know how true that is.
There's a lot going on with this development.
There is speculation that a number of smaller countries will now pull out of the agreement to more aggressively pursue profit at the expense of the atmosphere. China re-committed publicly to the accord so they have the moral high-ground right now.
There's also speculation that this will hurt the United States on the world stage as far as trade negotiations in the future.
But hey, coal miners in the US are happy today, so all's well that ends well, right?
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 11:57:26 AM
How is an agreement like this enforceable? What's to stop a country in SE Asia from taking the money and using it to fill the pockets of despots etc? Who's enforcing this? Each country has to provide their own climate data so China can claim that their emissions are being consistently reduced even though it's bullshit.
Also each country gets one vote, so if developed countries are providing all the aid then they're pretty much the minority in any ruling.
I honesty don't see why there even needed to be an agreement like this in the first place.
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 11:58:38 AM
There's a lot going on with this development.
There is speculation that a number of smaller countries will now pull out of the agreement to more aggressively pursue profit at the expense of the atmosphere. China re-committed publicly to the accord so they have the moral high-ground right now.
There's also speculation that this will hurt the United States on the world stage as far as trade negotiations in the future.
But hey, coal miners in the US are happy today, so all's well that ends well, right?
Why would smaller countries pull out? The agreement basically ensures that the developed countries will provide them all with billions in aid as long as they say that the money is being used to reduce emissions.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 31, 2017, 12:05:00 PM
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You know If someone did this with Obama they would be completely outcast from society and the media would be pushing for prison charges.
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
I was half listening to a piece on one of the news channels this morning, the guy was saying that this is exactly the news that China wanted as they have been aggressively pursuing alternative energy technologies and the US pulling out of Paris gives them a wide open run to dominate the market. I don't know enough about it to know how true that is.
China is massive importer of crude oil and natural gas, and nuclear accounts for less than 3% of their energy production. You know what they have a lot of though? Coal. 73% of all their energy production is in coal. Of course they're pushing for more renewable energy.
Also, Chinese renewable energy companies barely crack the top 10 in the world:
https://www.alternative-energies.net/top-20-renewable-energy-companies-in-2016/
The industry is multi-national. Energy efficiency is a huge industry and most US industrial companies are way ahead of the pack. Yeah, we don't have that many massive wind turbine manufacturers, but the majority of renewables are geothermal and hydro, which US companies make a huge chunk of.
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2017, 12:22:39 PM
Liberals gonna liberal
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You know If someone did this with Obama they would be completely outcast from society and the media would be pushing for prison charges.
I haven't seen anyone on Twitter or Facebook - and as you might imagine, many of the people I follow and am friends with lean very much towards the left - express any opinion on this that isn't disgust.
Although, I question your last line given Sarah Palin is still much beloved and celebrated by many on the right despite this:
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/235504/SARAH-PALIN-TARGET-LIST.jpg)
Post by: dcm1602 on May 31, 2017, 12:25:44 PM
I haven't seen anyone on Twitter or Facebook - and as you might imagine, many of the people I follow and am friends with lean very much towards the left - express any opinion on this that isn't disgust.
Although, I question your last line given Sarah Palin is still much beloved and celebrated by many on the right despite this:
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/235504/SARAH-PALIN-TARGET-LIST.jpg)
To be fair Sarah Palin basically is outcast from society being she's in Alaska.
But I'm not really sure whats so special about the image. Trying to vote out certain people?
Oh yeah there's like bullseyes on them. OK I can see thst being offensive, but it's not nearly as bad
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2017, 12:26:59 PM
To be fair Sarah Palin basically is outcast from society being she's in Alaska.
But I'm not really sure whats so special about the image. Trying to vote out certain people?
It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you don't understand the problem with it.
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 12:28:29 PM
I haven't seen anyone on Twitter or Facebook - and as you might imagine, many of the people I follow and am friends with lean very much towards the left - express any opinion on this that isn't disgust.
Although, I question your last line given Sarah Palin is still much beloved and celebrated by many on the right despite this:
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/235504/SARAH-PALIN-TARGET-LIST.jpg)
Using crosshairs is definitely dumb but given the two aren't even remotely the same.
Not the first time though. Someone during Bush's presidency filmed a movie about him getting assassinated.
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 12:40:55 PM
Now look down the list of names.
What's wrong with strategically targeting certain districts and leaving out those who are going to retire before the next election? Yeah the crosshairs, like I said, was not a good idea, but I doubt the intent was "hey maybe we'll get lucky and some idiot will take this to mean they should kill them."
The picture above is clearly Kathy Griffin holding a severed and bloodied head of Trump. No misinterpreting that. Not saying she's advocating that someone should kill him, but she clearly would love to see that happen.
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2017, 12:45:47 PM
What's wrong with strategically targeting certain districts and leaving out those who are going to retire before the next election? Yeah the crosshairs, like I said, was not a good idea, but I doubt the intent was "hey maybe we'll get lucky and some idiot will take this to mean they should kill them."
The picture above is clearly Kathy Griffin holding a severed and bloodied head of Trump. No misinterpreting that. Not saying she's advocating that someone should kill him, but she clearly would love to see that happen.
You know that Gabby Gifford was shot in the head by a right wing headcase a few months after this, right?
No one is defending Kathy Griffin. Like, literally no one. (I'm sure you'll find the odd dickhead online obviously.) There's no room in political discourse for incitements to violence. Except when it's Trump on the campaign trail, obviously.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 31, 2017, 01:01:43 PM
No one, not a single person anyone has been able to find, has been able to find someone that didn't condemn what she did. Literally, everyone thought what she did was disgusting and spoke out about it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2017, 01:23:58 PM
Post by: sg3 on May 31, 2017, 01:24:09 PM
Liberals gonna liberalNo actually Ted Nugent called for the violent death of President Obama and he received an special invitation to the WH to be photographed with the Orange Hitler
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You know If someone did this with Obama they would be completely outcast from society and the media would be pushing for prison charges.
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Post by: Badger on May 31, 2017, 02:36:32 PM
B. You can pull up a dozen videos of GWAR beheading Obama in effigy and nobody cried about that.
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 02:43:01 PM
You know that Gabby Gifford was shot in the head by a right wing headcase a few months after this, right?
No one is defending Kathy Griffin. Like, literally no one. (I'm sure you'll find the odd dickhead online obviously.) There's no room in political discourse for incitements to violence. Except when it's Trump on the campaign trail, obviously.
Ah forgot about that. Also, I never said that people are defending Griffin, but digging up stuff like the Palin map makes me think you're going with the "Well both sides are just as despicable."
Post by: dcm1602 on May 31, 2017, 02:53:52 PM
A. Who gives a excrement?
B. You can pull up a dozen videos of GWAR beheading Obama in effigy and nobody cried about that.
Not to defend GWAR as they're a bunch of weirdos. But apparently they're supporters of Obama so there is that.
And Kathy Griffin is a political commentator who works for CNN
Post by: Andrew Ryan on May 31, 2017, 02:57:55 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2017, 03:22:09 PM
And Kathy Griffin is a political commentator who works for CNN
Explain.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 31, 2017, 04:19:32 PM
Yeah, but why wait until they commit a felony and are caught before deporting them? They're already breaking the law by being here in the first place. No one is saying that all illegals are violent criminals, but, by definition, they are criminals.
You may want to check your definition of 'definition'.
There is a very big difference between illegal and criminal to start.
Let's say a person overstays their legal visa, which accounts for the vast majority of current illegals. If they were randomly picked up by ICE, they get deported. They are not charged with a crime, so they are not criminals.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 31, 2017, 04:23:03 PM
Why would smaller countries pull out? The agreement basically ensures that the developed countries will provide them all with billions in aid as long as they say that the money is being used to reduce emissions.Yes, because having just read through something online, you are now the expert.
Every country but 2, Syria and Nicaragua, signed on for this. Yeah, lets just do nothing and be like those guys.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 31, 2017, 04:26:41 PM
Explain.I didn't realize she was a CNN commentator either, but apparently CNN fired her today, so she must have had some role.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 31, 2017, 04:28:55 PM
Somehow Ted Nugent keeps on chugging though. No outcry when it comes to that hate inducing, violence provoking, racist piece of excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2017, 05:08:48 PM
I didn't realize she was a CNN commentator either, but apparently CNN fired her today, so she must have had some role.They fired her from her one evening a year job presenting the NYE show with Anderson Cooper.
To my knowledge she is not and has never been anything to do with political commentary on CNN. She's a stand up comedian.
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 05:10:50 PM
Yes, because having just read through something online, you are now the expert.
Every country but 2, Syria and Nicaragua, signed on for this. Yeah, lets just do nothing and be like those guys.
I read the actual treaty itself. It's really not that complicated. I'm taking it for what it is, and it's definitely not some "save the earth" document. For example, it's absolutely nothing like the Kyoto Protocol.
Post by: Fenwyr on May 31, 2017, 05:25:57 PM
I read the actual treaty itself. It's really not that complicated. I'm taking it for what it is, and it's definitely not some "save the earth" document. For example, it's absolutely nothing like the Kyoto Protocol.So, currently the vote stands at:
Nay - Tommy, Nicaragua, Syria
Yay - 193 countries
Undecided - Trump
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 05:30:18 PM
So, currently the vote stands at:
Nay - Tommy, Nicaragua, Syria
Yay - 193 countries
Undecided - Trump
Everyone signed it so it must be good! The vast majority of the countries who signed it are the ones that'll be receiving aid, and we lead the world in foreign aid already. I'd my tax dollars not go towards some vague promise that Zimbabwe is going to use the funds to build a geothermal plant.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 31, 2017, 05:38:34 PM
They fired her from her one evening a year job presenting the NYE show with Anderson Cooper.
To my knowledge she is not and has never been anything to do with political commentary on CNN. She's a stand up comedian.
She's a shemale version of Carrot Top, she gives me the Heeba Geeba's.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 31, 2017, 05:45:21 PM
Everyone signed it so it must be good! The vast majority of the countries who signed it are the ones that'll be receiving aid, and we lead the world in foreign aid already. I'd my tax dollars not go towards some vague promise that Zimbabwe is going to use the funds to build a geothermal plant.
So your tax dollars will go to some jerkoff warlord in Afghanstan or Iraq to stem the flow of heroin into the country or extra money under the guise we're fighting the drug war somewhere else or building a freaking wall across the US-Mexican border that will most assuredly be dug under by "coyotes" or the drug cartels or both or some other United Nations state that requests funds. The money is going somewhere it might as well go towards the pretense of making the earth a little more inhabitable. It's not like your boy is doing a stellar job staunching the flow of pork barrel legislation so far.
Post by: Tommy on May 31, 2017, 06:50:24 PM
So your tax dollars will go to some jerkoff warlord in Afghanstan or Iraq to stem the flow of heroin into the country or extra money under the guise we're fighting the drug war somewhere else or building a freaking wall across the US-Mexican border that will most assuredly be dug under by "coyotes" or the drug cartels or both or some other United Nations state that requests funds. The money is going somewhere it might as well go towards the pretense of making the earth a little more inhabitable. It's not like your boy is doing a stellar job staunching the flow of pork barrel legislation so far.
Meh. I just hate the UN.
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2017, 07:18:26 PM
Post by: Laxin on May 31, 2017, 08:39:16 PM
So your tax dollars will go to some jerkoff warlord in Afghanstan or Iraq to stem the flow of heroin into the country or extra money under the guise we're fighting the drug war somewhere else or building a freaking wall across the US-Mexican border that will most assuredly be dug under by "coyotes" or the drug cartels or both or some other United Nations state that requests funds. The money is going somewhere it might as well go towards the pretense of making the earth a little more inhabitable. It's not like your boy is doing a stellar job staunching the flow of pork barrel legislation so far.
Well said
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2017, 11:38:43 PM
As far as Kathy Griffin, for those who are insistent on playing these whataboutisms re: Obama, I'm not sure why its just accepted as common knowledge that Obama was the first victim to this type of excrement. W was burned in effigy. It happened. It was bullshit. Then it happened to Obama. It was bullshit. If it happens to Trump, or if say something on a larger scale like a celebrity posting a picture of his severed head occurs, its bullshit. This isn't hard. Situations like this are an excellent reminder as to why I freaking hate Ted Nugent.
To JohnnyE's point, I have to say the impression I've gotten for the most part is universal disgust, so apparently it's not hard to unite people we just needed an attempt at "art" from KATHY GRIFFIN.
As far as illegal immigration, while I've retained sympathy for those that want to just come here for a better life, if you're going to just outright flaunt your illegal status, deal with the consequences. It'd be nice if this Republican majority congress backed the Presidents play so instead of having to issue an executive order, Congress enacts legislation cutting essential funds to any city that engages in being a sanctuary city, which is allowable provided its not some crazy number.
I'll say this, the days of guys coming in and getting sweetheart deals on their second DUI's because the state doesn't want to be deporting these people are over. And good riddance. That doesn't mean I want ICE to indiscriminately deport anyone that moves without a green card, but I don't think its a reasonable request to ask that if people are already here under inauspicious circumstances that they obey the law.
Its been said by both parties that comprehensive immigration reform for an easier path to citizenship is impossible until the border is secure. So lets get to building that wall, shall we! A big beaaauuuutiful wall! There's gonna be a door! But there's gotta be a wall!
Post by: Fenwyr on June 01, 2017, 12:07:30 AM
Post by: Jumbo on June 01, 2017, 12:17:19 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 01, 2017, 09:17:34 AM
Meh. I just hate the UN.
That's a reasonable position, but that's not why Trump and his administration (after being pushed by 22 GOP Senators) are moving to leave the Paris accord.
We're allowed to have different political opinions and think the other side are idiots for believing the polar opposite, but climate change is real undeniable science--despite the fact that the administration's official position is the denial of that science. And we're only three and a half degrees of average temperature away from irreversible climate damage.
It just doesn't make sense to me for anyone to claim they care about anyone but themselves, yet not want to do whatever possible to assure that they leave an inhabitable planet behind to their descendants.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 01, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2017, 08:54:03 PM
But we've got to keep our promise to the coal miners.
Someone should tell them black lung is a preexisting condition.
Post by: Tommy on June 02, 2017, 06:28:57 AM
That's a reasonable position, but that's not why Trump and his administration (after being pushed by 22 GOP Senators) are moving to leave the Paris accord.
We're allowed to have different political opinions and think the other side are idiots for believing the polar opposite, but climate change is real undeniable science--despite the fact that the administration's official position is the denial of that science. And we're only three and a half degrees of average temperature away from irreversible climate damage.
It just doesn't make sense to me for anyone to claim they care about anyone but themselves, yet not want to do whatever possible to assure that they leave an inhabitable planet behind to their descendants.
I'm a big fan of energy efficiency and renewables. Hell I worked in the industry for 2 years, so I know a reasonable amount about the topic. Have you ever heard a politician say that they want to "increase" emissions? Renewables are the future, but it's ridiculous to expect this country to get rid of fossil fuels as a major source of energy right away. It's just not realistic, especially when you're a major producer of that type of energy. Non-Nuclear Renewable energy has been gaining ground steadily over the years and now represents 15% of our total energy consumption, and that will continue to grow.
This agreement is nothing more than countries like France and Germany patting themselves on the back while seeing the U.S reduced to one measly vote out of more than 170 on where to go from here. That's a shitty contract if you ask me. Again, our renewable energy industry is doing fine, and carbon emissions have been steadily declining. People just have to fuckn wait. You can't just change things at the drop of a hat. It takes decades, and we'll get there without the U.N dictating our energy policy. Besides, most energy policies are run at the state level, and it should remain that way.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 02, 2017, 09:34:10 AM
I'm a big fan of energy efficiency and renewables. Hell I worked in the industry for 2 years, so I know a reasonable amount about the topic. Have you ever heard a politician say that they want to "increase" emissions? Renewables are the future, but it's ridiculous to expect this country to get rid of fossil fuels as a major source of energy right away. It's just not realistic, especially when you're a major producer of that type of energy. Non-Nuclear Renewable energy has been gaining ground steadily over the years and now represents 15% of our total energy consumption, and that will continue to grow.
This agreement is nothing more than countries like France and Germany patting themselves on the back while seeing the U.S reduced to one measly vote out of more than 170 on where to go from here. That's a shitty contract if you ask me. Again, our renewable energy industry is doing fine, and carbon emissions have been steadily declining. People just have to fuckn wait. You can't just change things at the drop of a hat. It takes decades, and we'll get there without the U.N dictating our energy policy. Besides, most energy policies are run at the state level, and it should remain that way.
Have I ever heard a politician say they want to increase emissions?
I am hoping that's a joke.
I could list dozens of elected officials, but due to time being an issue... The President
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2017, 09:54:12 AM
thank you BasedTrump
Post by: Johnny English on June 02, 2017, 10:05:09 AM
"#BREAKING US unemployment rate hits 16-year low of 4.3% in May"
thank you BasedTrump
You realise that it has been consistently declining since 2010, right?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2017, 10:11:39 AM
You realise that it has been consistently declining since 2010, right?
Goddamn, Trump really is the GOAT then
Post by: Fenwyr on June 02, 2017, 11:07:58 AM
You realise that it has been consistently declining since 2010, right?When unemployment goes down under Obama, the excuse was underemployment. When unemployment goes down under Trump, who hasn't done a damn thing, heil Trump!
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 02, 2017, 11:46:25 AM
Oh, and to all those conservatives who love to whine about the government spending money, Trump just got Bannon a special waiver to broadcast Breitbart news directly from the White House. On the taxpayer's dime.
Quote
The disclosure, first reported by the New York Times, lists 16 White House staffers who were exempt from ethics rules barring them from maintaining contact with colleagues at previous private sector jobs they held. These include former lobbyists who are now allowed to keep in touch with co-workers and clients while they work for the U.S. government, but it also includes a more general exemption which allows White House officials to maintain ties with news organizations “on matters of broad policy."
Drain the swamp, y'all! #MAGAmotherfucker!
Oh, Trump also celebrated his leaving the Paris accord with a Rose Garden party, complete with a performing jazz band. Because why not? I guess at least he didn't just say freak the rest of the work week and fly straight to a party at Mar-a-Lago.
Post by: sg3 on June 02, 2017, 11:57:19 AM
He only cares about Trump and his retarded offsprings and his beloved Putin having the opportunity to plunder the Nation's assets as much as humanly possible until he is impeached, arrested and convicted or resigns or is booted out in 2020
Looking forward to his upcoming manifesto "Mein Covfefe"
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Post by: Miamipuck on June 02, 2017, 12:09:33 PM
They're looking to get the White House renamed to Trump House and charge the taxpayers to use the name.
Post by: sg3 on June 02, 2017, 01:36:07 PM
He's one they're trying to push through:LOL
They're looking to get the White House renamed to Trump House and charge the taxpayers to use the name.
Though it IS probably in his deranged plans
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Post by: Tommy on June 02, 2017, 02:01:04 PM
When unemployment goes down under Obama, the excuse was underemployment. When unemployment goes down under Trump, who hasn't done a damn thing, heil Trump!
To be fair most people are pretty ignorant when it comes to the economy. The president who's in office gets credit when unemployment goes down, but if you're in office when it goes up you're worse than Hitler. Presidents aren't magicians, and many different factors cause the unemployment rate to change, and those can last years.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 02, 2017, 04:41:34 PM
Was that Griffin press conference today a bit? Given the absurdity, I'm operating under the assumption it was, in which case it was funny as freak. She can't be serious.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 02, 2017, 04:57:48 PM
The unemployment number is bullshit. It has been. And admittedly, the new labor participation rate wasn't great in terms of growth. But that's really the number everyone should look at.
Was that Griffin press conference today a bit? Given the absurdity, I'm operating under the assumption it was, in which case it was funny as freak. She can't be serious.
On this we agree. Unemployment numbers are easy to cherry pick to fit any narative.
Why are you so obsessed with Griffin?
Other than a couple of gay guys I know on FB, nobody gives a excrement about, much less supports her.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 03, 2017, 07:58:50 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 03, 2017, 08:16:09 PM
Post by: Tommy on June 03, 2017, 08:24:59 PM
freaking Trump hopping on Twitter right after the London terror attack to spout off about his travel ban. Wtf is wrong with you man? I'm not normally one to pass too much judgment, but God damn man, can't you at least wait until this whole thing is even over before using it for political gain?
Yeah let's blame Trump. freak all of those fuckn Muslims.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 03, 2017, 08:25:22 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on June 03, 2017, 08:27:36 PM
Yeah let's blame Trump. freak all of those fuckn Muslims.Who should we blame for Trump twitting nonsense before any facts are in? Obama? Canada?
Post by: dcm1602 on June 03, 2017, 08:27:38 PM
Yeah let's blame Trump. freak all of those fuckn Muslims.
Look I give Trump credit when it's due (ie having the balls to say no to this Paris accord)
. But him touting off his travel ban immediately after a terrorist attack is completely unpresidential pathetic and embarrassing.
If Obama or Hillary Clinton politicized something like this you'd give them excrement for it. Well Trump deserves excrement for his lack of class
Post by: bojanglesman on June 03, 2017, 08:30:15 PM
Yeah let's blame Trump. freak all of those fuckn Muslims.Are you at the pub?
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2017, 08:57:57 PM
Are you at the pub?
No, he's fasting for Ramadan.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 03, 2017, 09:00:25 PM
No, he's fasting for Ramadan.Hehe
Post by: MBGreen on June 05, 2017, 04:52:13 PM
Yeah let's blame Trump. freak all of those fuckn Muslims.lol
your president is a walking tinfoil hat.
Post by: JFIF on June 05, 2017, 08:09:10 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2017, 08:16:25 PM
did I miss stuffI think Leonard Williams stopped a terrorist attack.
Post by: JFIF on June 05, 2017, 08:20:28 PM
I think Leonard Williams stopped a terrorist attack.
he's brave
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2017, 08:20:56 PM
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/06/05/the-110-billion-arms-deal-to-saudi-arabia-is-fake-news/
Post by: JFIF on June 05, 2017, 08:23:21 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 05, 2017, 09:09:02 PM
Trump made more stuff up.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/06/05/the-110-billion-arms-deal-to-saudi-arabia-is-fake-news/
Not that I'd be surprised if he lied, but if you Google the deal that one single man is the only source of that story which makes me rather hesitant to believe it
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2017, 09:14:57 PM
Not that I'd be surprised if he lied, but if you Google the deal that one single man is the only source of that story which makes me rather hesitant to believe it
Yes, but it's the Brookings Institute. They're a very solid, very non-partisan and very trusted organisation. I would be surprised if they would allow something like that to be posted unless they were absolutely sure of its veracity - they're not a media outlet that relies on click revenue for their existence.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 05, 2017, 09:27:18 PM
Yes, but it's the Brookings Institute. They're a very solid, very non-partisan and very trusted organisation. I would be surprised if they would allow something like that to be posted unless they were absolutely sure of its veracity - they're not a media outlet that relies on click revenue for their existence.
No but the media is and they'd all jump right on the bandwagon. Surely they want money and a chance to trash Trump
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 05, 2017, 11:27:40 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on June 06, 2017, 12:46:14 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 06, 2017, 03:57:59 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 07, 2017, 11:16:01 AM
Oh, Trump and his team are trying to disparage Comey's reputation ahead of his Congressional testimony tomorrow. NBD.
Post by: Badger on June 07, 2017, 08:00:01 PM
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-jcomey-060817.pdf
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 07, 2017, 08:08:43 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 07, 2017, 08:14:00 PM
Comey sounds like a woman drinking alone at a bar trying to politely get a guy to stop hitting on her.
He should probably be happy that Trump didn't just start grabbing him.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 07, 2017, 10:24:05 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 07, 2017, 10:33:47 PM
"No means no, Mr. President."
trump is down with trying to grab them by the metaphorical hoo-ha too
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2017, 09:08:02 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on June 08, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 08, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2017, 10:53:51 AM
Comey said that he hopes that there are tapes of his conversations with Trump.
But Trump said he better hope there aren't tapes of their conversations!
Who do we believe?!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 08, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 08, 2017, 11:48:48 AM
I still don't know what he was trying to say.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 08, 2017, 12:20:16 PM
Post by: ons on June 08, 2017, 12:54:47 PM
One thing is for sure. John McCain has dementia. Or is drunk. Or asleep.
I still don't know what he was trying to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0V_7PR4dYI&feature=youtu.be
He is a different person now than when he ran for president in 2008. He can't keep track of the basic facts of what is going on - sounds like my 88 year old grandmother trying to ask me about why her email doesn't turn on when she clicks on her google button after I used her computer.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 08, 2017, 01:15:10 PM
By the way, who wants to guess how the Lynch story is buried over the coming days?
The more people that see McCain for the senile old fool that he is, the better. Not enough bombs or places to bomb for Johnny War Hawk.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 08, 2017, 02:02:37 PM
Trump impeached yet?Not by a long shot, and there was really not much new information. But the fact that some pretty damning testimony has now been submitted, under oath, is a huge first step.
If Trump sticks to his guns regarding Flynn, and says that Comey lied under oath, the game goes to an entirely new level.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 08, 2017, 04:01:37 PM
I imagine it will show up in the articles.
Post by: Tommy on June 08, 2017, 04:24:17 PM
Post by: Pope on June 08, 2017, 04:44:40 PM
Post by: Mehta Source on June 08, 2017, 08:31:29 PM
I'm hearing mixed news (surprise) about the Comey hearing. Did it have anything of substance or are both sides just grasping for straws just so that the media can keep the conversation going?Depends.
Let's say an authority with too much power makes everyone to leave the room so he can speak to a subordinate one-on-one, and tell him "I hope you can do this", would you say that:
a) saying that "he hopes" something gets done, is just like a wishful thinking, like saying "oh, I hope there's peace in the middle east"
b) saying that "he hopes" something gets done, means "you better get on that excrement ASAP or else"
If your answer is closer to "a", then there was nothing of substance.
If your answer is closer to "b", then excrement got real yo.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 08, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
Depends.
Let's say an authority with too much power makes everyone to leave the room so he can speak to a subordinate one-on-one, and tell him "I hope you can do this", would you say that:
a) saying that "he hopes" something gets done, is just like a wishful thinking, like saying "oh, I hope there's peace in the middle east"
b) saying that "he hopes" something gets done, means "you better get on that excrement ASAP or else"
If your answer is closer to "a", then there was nothing of substance.
If your answer is closer to "b", then excrement got real yo.
Or C people chalking it up to Trump being a fucktard who has no idea how politics works.
Don't get me wrong I totally think it's possible he was up to something nefarious. But I think the most likely scenario was just he has no idea how being president works and what is and isn't appropriate
Post by: Badger on June 08, 2017, 09:53:50 PM
I'm hearing mixed news (surprise) about the Comey hearing. Did it have anything of substance or are both sides just grasping for straws just so that the media can keep the conversation going?
Both sides heard exactly what they wanted to hear and believe their side came out ahead.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 08, 2017, 09:56:12 PM
Or C people chalking it up to Trump being a fucktard who has no idea how politics works.Not knowing the law is no excuse for breaking the law. None of us would get out of a DUI by saying, I didn't know it was illegal.
Don't get me wrong I totally think it's possible he was up to something nefarious. But I think the most likely scenario was just he has no idea how being president works and what is and isn't appropriate
His lawyer coming out and doing the Spicer routine didn't help his cause. His lawyer lied at least 4 times in less than the first 2 minutes, about something we just freaking watched.
It's going to be tough casting Comey in the movie. That dude is a giant.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 08, 2017, 09:58:11 PM
Not knowing the law is no excuse for breaking the law. None of us would get out of a DUI by saying, I didn't know it was illegal.Oh I have no clue what the law is, nor whether he is or should be guilty of anything and agree completely that it's not an excuse
His lawyer coming out and doing the Spicer routine didn't help his cause. His lawyer lied at least 4 times in less than the first 2 minutes, about something we just freaking watched.
It's going to be tough casting Comey in the movie. That dude is a giant.
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2017, 10:05:45 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 08, 2017, 10:13:25 PM
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't see how Comey releasing his notes to the media on a privileged meeting with POTUS while serving as Director of the FBI can possibly be legal.I just was reading on politico that he made sure he made his notes as unclassified documents for the very purpose of being able to do so (leaking etc)
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2017, 10:18:19 PM
I just was reading on politico that he made sure he made his notes as unclassified documents for the very purpose of being able to do so (leaking etc)
My meeting notes with my customers are unclassified. They're still not mine and I have no right to release them to the media, because they're made on company time and belong to my company. I can't really imagine how the notes of a meeting made by the Director of the FBI of a one to one meeting with POTUS could possibly be his to do with as he will, but I'd be interested to hear mj2sexay's view on this as he's the legal beagle.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 08, 2017, 10:20:41 PM
My meeting notes with my customers are unclassified. They're still not mine and I have no right to release them to the media, because they're made on company time and belong to my company. I can't really imagine how the notes of a meeting made by the Director of the FBI of a one to one meeting with POTUS could possibly be his to do with as he will, but I'd be interested to hear mj2sexay's view on this as he's the legal beagle.
This is all they mentioned
Comey testified that he awoke in the middle of the night and thought, “Holy cow, there might be tapes.” That impelled him to leak his own memos (which he had deliberately written with unclassified status, so they could be shared easily within the FBI) to the press through a friend, in the explicit hope that they might prompt the appointment of a special prosecutor.
I mean if they're personal memos...
Post by: Tommy on June 08, 2017, 10:21:51 PM
Both sides heard exactly what they wanted to hear and believe their side came out ahead.
Pretty much.
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2017, 10:22:34 PM
This is all they mentioned
Comey testified that he awoke in the middle of the night and thought, “Holy cow, there might be tapes.” That impelled him to leak his own memos (which he had deliberately written with unclassified status, so they could be shared easily within the FBI) to the press through a friend, in the explicit hope that they might prompt the appointment of a special prosecutor.
"Shared within the FBI" seems like it would have a very different level of confidentiality than "shared with the Washington Post". I'm all over destroying Trump, but I would hope it can be done legally.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 08, 2017, 10:36:29 PM
"Shared within the FBI" seems like it would have a very different level of confidentiality than "shared with the Washington Post". I'm all over destroying Trump, but I would hope it can be done legally.Think of it this way. Have you ever talked about a crazy conversation you had with a client with your mates at the pub?
Comey is a master prosecutor. He knows rules we have never even heard of. What he did was entirely legal. I love the fact he took one look at this lying douchbag and said, oh excrement, I better write this down.
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2017, 10:42:26 PM
Think of it this way. Have you ever talked about a crazy conversation you had with a client with your mates at the pub?
Comey is a master prosecutor. He knows rules we have never even heard of. What he did was entirely legal. I love the fact he took one look at this lying douchbag and said, oh excrement, I better write this down.
Sure. But none of my clients are the POTUS, and I'm not the Director of the FBI. Those people are held to a higher standard than me, because their jobs are much more important than mine.
I do hold a security clearance with the Government of Canada though, because they're a big customer of mine, and I am privy to things that are classified by the GoC as sensitive. They're exceedingly low level and of likely little consequence, but I wouldn't discuss them in the pub with my mates, or anywhere else with anyone else, because there's a level of trust that has been placed in me and it's incumbent upon me not to disclose it. The same principle applies to Comey on an exponentially greater scale.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 08, 2017, 10:59:23 PM
My meeting notes with my customers are unclassified. They're still not mine and I have no right to release them to the media, because they're made on company time and belong to my company. I can't really imagine how the notes of a meeting made by the Director of the FBI of a one to one meeting with POTUS could possibly be his to do with as he will, but I'd be interested to hear mj2sexay's view on this as he's the legal beagle.
I'll be honest, I have no idea as to the ramifications of his actions, but I agree with Senator Collins (a rarity) in that its pretty stunning he would do that. If the documents are unclassified, but they're still work product of the FBI, I could see the argument that as the director he's within his discretion but he had been fired by then.
Regardless of whether or not we all heard what he wanted to hear today or didn't, nothing came out of todays proceeding that didn't crystalize my initial opinion..whether you like Trump, dislike Trump, think Trump fired him for motivations that were less than pure...Comey was a total compromised freak up at his position. Firing him was a mistake in judgment of timing, not merit.
I know I already took my shot at McCain, but seriously how the freak was todays display not an indication to everyone that we need term limits? Yikes.
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2017, 11:04:07 PM
I'll be honest, I have no idea as to the ramifications of his actions, but I agree with Senator Collins (a rarity) in that its pretty stunning he would do that. If the documents are unclassified, but they're still work product of the FBI, I could see the argument that as the director he's within his discretion but he had been fired by then.
Does the Director of the FBI have the power to declassify documents to that level? I would have thought that the discretion to declassify information laid with the ranking officer which in this instance would clearly be POTUS, but again I'll defer to your expertise on that one.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 08, 2017, 11:31:57 PM
I'll be honest, I have no idea as to the ramifications of his actions, but I agree with Senator Collins (a rarity) in that its pretty stunning he would do that. If the documents are unclassified, but they're still work product of the FBI, I could see the argument that as the director he's within his discretion but he had been fired by then.
Regardless of whether or not we all heard what he wanted to hear today or didn't, nothing came out of todays proceeding that didn't crystalize my initial opinion..whether you like Trump, dislike Trump, think Trump fired him for motivations that were less than pure...Comey was a total compromised freak up at his position. Firing him was a mistake in judgment of timing, not merit.
I know I already took my shot at McCain, but seriously how the freak was todays display not an indication to everyone that we need term limits? Yikes.
You completely contradicted yourself here. You heard exactly what you wanted to hear to 'crystalize' your foregone opinion.
To a near consensus opinion, on both sides of the aisle, Comey was a winner today.
If you don't like the fact that he had the balls to step up against The Don, so be it. Anyone, and I mean anyone that is not a Trump mouthpiece, that has worked with Comey gives the guy 6 out of 5 stars as a boss.
Those were his personal notes from an inpromptu, unclassified conversation. It was legal.
You want to fire me, then lie about me? Hard to mount a liable case against a sitting president and it was absolutely that, so just come forward as a civilian and release you totally unclassified notes.
Post by: ons on June 08, 2017, 11:44:49 PM
I know I already took my shot at McCain, but seriously how the freak was todays display not an indication to everyone that we need term limits? Yikes.
I mean ideally we have a vibrant enough democracy with an engaged populace and term limits are not necessary - I don't think there is anything philosophically wrong with a politician working for a long time as long as they are qualified. Our democracy is currently anything but vibrant, though.
McCain's excuse is apparently staying up too late watching a Diamondbacks-Padres game in early June? Christ.
On the subject of Comey - I sincerely doubt you'll find a majority of people found his testimony proved his incompetence. I only watched clips, but he seemed unphased, consistent, and relatively eloquent to me.
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2017, 11:48:53 PM
You completely contradicted yourself here. You heard exactly what you wanted to hear to 'crystalize' your foregone opinion.
To a near consensus opinion, on both sides of the aisle, Comey was a winner today.
If you don't like the fact that he had the balls to step up against The Don, so be it. Anyone, and I mean anyone that is not a Trump mouthpiece, that has worked with Comey gives the guy 6 out of 5 stars as a boss.
Those were his personal notes from an inpromptu, unclassified conversation. It was legal.
You want to fire me, then lie about me? Hard to mount a liable case against a sitting president and it was absolutely that, so just come forward as a civilian and release you totally unclassified notes.
I feel like I may find myself in the rare position of being in Team MJ v Team Fen on this one, but I think we have to separate our political and moral views from the legal position on this. Privileged communications aren't partisan, they're absolute.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 09, 2017, 12:01:20 AM
I feel like I may find myself in the rare position of being in Team MJ v Team Fen on this one, but I think we have to separate our political and moral views from the legal position on this. Privileged communications aren't partisan, they're absolute.
Oh, I see now. I left out the most important bit.
Nothing was priviledged anymore once Trump tweeted and spoke about the conversations in detail. Well, detail is subjective with this asshat.
As soon Trump drew first blood, which he did, Comey was free to do whatever the hell he wanted to.
Trump declassified those conversations by openly talking about them.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 09, 2017, 12:08:22 AM
If you don't like the fact that he had the balls to step up against The Don, so be it. Anyone, and I mean anyone that is not a Trump mouthpiece, that has worked with Comey gives the guy 6 out of 5 stars as a boss.
Quoted for absolute hilariousness especially considering a lot of this praise today came from Senate Democrats who were openly calling for his job before Trump pulled the trigger.
The guy who suppressed an inappropriate conversation with a sitting AG to the public in the middle of an investigation, then only released what he considers to be his documentation of a Presidents impropriety AFTER he was shitcanned, is a winner? Especially when credible scholars of con law are bringing up the fact that he may have broken the law in order to release that documentation? He's a winner like Bud Kilmer was a winner at the end of Varsity Blues.
As far as contradicting myself, I didn't hear what I wanted to hear, I let his testimony speak for itself. This was a man in way over his head, who made bad decision after bad decision with respect to numerous investigations at every single turn.
I mean ideally we have a vibrant enough democracy with an engaged populace and term limits are not necessary - I don't think there is anything philosophically wrong with a politician working for a long time as long as they are qualified. Our democracy is currently anything but vibrant, though.
We live in a nation of 300 million people, and complete jackoffs on both sides of the aisle get elected in perpetuity. Which of course, results in them acting in the best interest of their political career. I know the idea is that the electorate is supposed to correct this kind of behavior, unfortunately both parties have such influence via their money and political machine that these respective constituencys are usually continually misled into thinking that no one else understands, and only their guy or girl understands their specific plight and has their true interests at heart. If you don't believe me, look at Paul Ryan's approval rating in his district as opposed to nationally. Enough is enough.
I feel like I may find myself in the rare position of being in Team MJ v Team Fen on this one, but I think we have to separate our political and moral views from the legal position on this. Privileged communications aren't partisan, they're absolute.
While I very much appreciate the respect of deference, I'm going to direct you to a blog post I read on the subject written by Johnathan Turley. In reading some of Turley's op-eds throughout my time in school, I have to imagine he wrote what he did on Comey while gritting his teeth. Can't see him purchasing a MAGA hat anytime soon.
https://jonathanturley.org/2017/06/08/did-comey-violate-laws-in-leaking-memo/
I'm sure within the next 24 hours people with legal credentials but dubious credibility whether they be Judge Napolitano or Jeffrey Toobin will have their own takes. Just for my money at least (even at times completely disagreeing with what I'm reading), Turley checks both boxes.
Oh, I see now. I left out the most important bit.
Nothing was priviledged anymore once Trump tweeted and spoke about the conversations in detail. Well, detail is subjective with this asshat.
As soon Trump drew first blood, which he did, Comey was free to do whatever the hell he wanted to.
Trump declassified those conversations by openly talking about them.
While that revokes Trumps ability to claim executive privilege in regard to the conversations he had with Comey, that doesn't provide a defense to what Turley is saying, namely that government work product was illegally converted to the press.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 09, 2017, 12:23:11 AM
Big block of nothing substantiative.
You say you didn't contradict yourself, then say he screwed up over and over, then say you were neutral watching, which is a lie, and came out the other side saying, see, I told you so!
When did he screw up? I can name 2 cases that were sophie's choices that probably swung the election, but what else?
Big block of excrement. Oh, here's a blog I read before bedtime to make me feel comfy.
(normally would insult the rest of us who don't read blogs, for reading blogs, here)
Again, once Trump fired Comey, and lied about all of their conversations, Comey, absolutely legally, had the right to defend himself.
Post by: ons on June 09, 2017, 12:30:53 AM
https://jonathanturley.org/2017/06/08/did-comey-violate-laws-in-leaking-memo/
My understanding was that § 641 would only apply if the information contained definitively held pecuniary value.
My clicking around of past precedent landed here:
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Whether pure "information" constitutes property which may be the subject of statutory protection under section 641, a matter which has largely been clarified by the recent case of Carpenter v. United States,484 U.S. 19, 108 S. Ct. 316, 56 U.S.L.W. 4007, 42 Cr.L.Rep. 3009, 98 L. Ed. 2d 275 (November 16, 1987), is not, however, involved here. We are dealing with specific, identifiable tangible property, which will qualify as such for larceny or embezzlement under any possible definition of the crime of theft. The photographs and the reports were clearly taken illegally and by stealth and disposed of by the defendant to a third party for personal gain, both monetary and in request for a job. That would seem to represent a textbook application of the crime set forth in section 641.
- http://www.opengovva.org/foi-opinions/united-states-v-morison
Seems like the value of the memo may prove fairly legally ambiguous - although I doubt Comey faces anything close to prosecution in the current political climate.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 09, 2017, 10:14:18 AM
The committee wants to see Kushner now. Uh oh.
Lordy, I hope there's tapes!
Post by: ons on June 09, 2017, 12:02:35 PM
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/9/15764954/comey-testimony-donald-trump-fbi-executive-privilege
Post by: Fenwyr on June 09, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
Really?
Tommy will find this totally acceptable.
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2017, 07:42:15 AM
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't see how Comey releasing his notes to the media on a privileged meeting with POTUS while serving as Director of the FBI can possibly be legal.Did they contain classified info?
Edit: I see you guys have covered this already. Not like it matters anyway since everyone is getting away with far more egregious excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on June 10, 2017, 08:32:48 AM
Did they contain classified info?
My notes from meeting with my customers don't contain classified information, but they aren't mine to publish.
This whole thing seems to be something of a legal minefield, and not as black and white as people on both sides would want us to believe.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 10, 2017, 06:24:49 PM
My notes from meeting with my customers don't contain classified information, but they aren't mine to publish.I think you may be overcomplicating the issue.
This whole thing seems to be something of a legal minefield, and not as black and white as people on both sides would want us to believe.
Unless the laws are different in Canada, you won't be breaking the law if you publish your client notes. You'll likely lose the client of course.
Post by: Johnny English on June 10, 2017, 06:59:40 PM
I think you may be overcomplicating the issue.
Unless the laws are different in Canada, you won't be breaking the law if you publish your client notes. You'll likely lose the client of course.
I think you may be misunderstanding my point.
When I take notes that directly relate to my job, in the course of doing my job, those notes don't belong to me. They belong to the organisation that pays me. They aren't mine to publish, and if I do so I may very well be breaking the law (at least at a very low level).
I understand that there's an argument that as the head of the organisation to whom those notes belong, Comey had the right to determine whether those notes could be published. There's also an argument that he required the approval of his superior to publish them, given the FBI is not a standalone organisation. The fact that they're a matter of public record as a result of the Senate Committee interview now renders the argument fairly moot, but I do have some sympathy with the view that those notes were not his to publish simply because he took them.
Remember, every time a major legal issue is debated and discussed there's a lawyer on each side. On that basis, if there's a verdict then 50% of legal arguments are found to be wrong, regardless of the qualifications or track record of the people making them. I'm not saying I'm right on this, but it's at least debatable.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 10, 2017, 08:41:53 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 10, 2017, 10:04:15 PM
No, you wouldn't be breaking the law. Depending on the paperwork you signed with your company, it could be grounds for dismissal and possibly a civil suit, but you didn't break any laws. Companies can't make laws.
I dont think youre understanding
The companies arent making the laws (well they are when you think about lobbying but thats a different discussion). But companies do have rights too, and there is absolutely a legal line of what you can and cant do as an employee in regards to sharing information from your job.
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Although trade secrets law evolved under state common law, prior to 1974, the question of whether patent law preempted state trade secrets law had been unanswered. In 1974, the United States Supreme Court issued the landmark decision, Kewanee Oil Co. v. Bicron Corp., which resolved the question in favor of allowing the states to freely develop their own trade secret laws.[21]
In 1979 several U.S. states adopted the Uniform Trade Secrets Act (UTSA), which was further amended in 1985, with approximately 47 states having adopted some variation of it as the basis for trade secret law.[22] Another significant development is the Economic Espionage Act (EEA) of 1996 (18 U.S.C. §§ 1831–1839), which makes the theft or misappropriation of a trade secret a federal crime. This law contains two provisions criminalizing two sorts of activity. The first, 18 U.S.C. § 1831(a), criminalizes the theft of trade secrets to benefit foreign powers.The second, 18 U.S.C. § 1832, criminalizes their theft for commercial or economic purposes. (The statutory penalties are different for the two offenses.) The EEA was extended in 2016 to allow companies to file civil suits in federal court.[23]
On May 11, 2016, President Obama signed the Defend Trade Secrets Act (DTSA), 18 U.S.C.§§1839 et seq., which for the first time created a federal cause of action for misappropriating trade secrets.[24] The DTSA provides for both a private right of action for damages and injunction and a civil action for injunction brought by the Attorney General.[25] The statute followed state laws on liability in significant part, defining trade secrets in the same way as the Uniform Trade Secrets Act as "all forms and types of financial, business, scientific, technical, economic, or engineering information, including patterns, plans, compilations, program devices, formulas, designs, prototypes, methods, techniques, processes, procedures, programs, or codes, whether tangible or intangible, and whether or how stored, compiled, or memorialized physically, electronically, graphically, photographically, or in writing if (A) the owner thereof has taken reasonable measures to keep such information secret; and (B) the information derives independent economic value, actual or potential, from not being generally known to, and not being readily ascertainable through proper means by, another person who can obtain economic value from the disclosure or use of the information." However, the law contains several important differences from prior law. First, because it is a federal law, trade secret cases can be prosecuted in federal courts with concomitant procedural advantages. Second, it provides for the unusual remedy of preliminary seizure of "property necessary to prevent the propagation or dissemination of the trade secret," 18 U.S.C. §1836. Third, it provides for remedies to include royalties in appropriate cases and exemplary damages up to two times the actual damages in cases of "willful and malicious" appropriation, 18 U.S.C. §1836(b)(3). The DTSA also clarifies that a United States resident (including a company) can be liable for misappropriation that takes place outside the United States, and any person can be liable as long as an act in furtherance of the misappropriation takes place in the United States, 18 U.S.C. §1837. The DTSA does not preempt or supplant state laws, but provides an additional cause of action. The DTSA provides the courts with broad injunctive powers. 18 U.S.C. §1836(b)(3). Because states vary significantly in their approach to the "inevitable disclosure" doctrine,[26] its use has limited, if any, application under the DTSA, 18 U.S.C.§1836(b)(3)(A).[27][28]
Post by: Fenwyr on June 10, 2017, 10:49:50 PM
The company might very well win such a suit, but you will not be found guilty of breaking any law. Breach of contract is very different than breaking the law.
Say I sign a NDA to participate in a beta for a new game. If I post screen shots here, I am violating the terms of the NDA. Do you think they can call the cops?
Post by: Johnny English on June 11, 2017, 09:51:28 AM
You read the part where I said the company might be able to file a civil suit, right?
The company might very well win such a suit, but you will not be found guilty of breaking any law. Breach of contract is very different than breaking the law.
Say I sign a NDA to participate in a beta for a new game. If I post screen shots here, I am violating the terms of the NDA. Do you think they can call the cops?
You're being very absolutist about this, which is brave given people with far greater legal knowledge than you or I have a widely varied set of views on the topic.
Anyway, on to today's amusing story about your fuckwit of a President - apparently he is postponing his state visit to the UK because he's concerned about the reception he'll get from British citizens. At least he's got enough self awareness to realise what a reviled joke he is outside of a small subset of drooling spastics in the US, but it does deprive us of seeing how widely the Show Your Rump To Trump campaign would have caught on. The sight of thousands of Brits showing their pimply white arses to the orange lady garden would have been something to behold.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 11, 2017, 10:06:37 AM
You're being very absolutist about this, which is brave given people with far greater legal knowledge than you or I have a widely varied set of views on the topic.I'd be much happier with a "show your funbags to the nitwit" tour.
Anyway, on to today's amusing story about your fuckwit of a President - apparently he is postponing his state visit to the UK because he's concerned about the reception he'll get from British citizens. At least he's got enough self awareness to realise what a reviled joke he is outside of a small subset of drooling spastics in the US, but it does deprive us of seeing how widely the Show Your Rump To Trump campaign would have caught on. The sight of thousands of Brits showing their pimply white arses to the orange lady garden would have been something to behold.
Post by: Tommy on June 11, 2017, 01:19:13 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 11, 2017, 01:54:28 PM
Is he really delaying his trip because of that? Why the freak would he care about what U.K. citizens think about him?
Because despite your perception of him as a strong confident business man he is in fact a man child who desperately needs people to think he is doing a good job.
Post by: Pope on June 11, 2017, 02:37:20 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 11, 2017, 03:36:05 PM
Having said that, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if May is the one keen to delay the trip. She's in a world of trouble right now and being seen to be pally with Trump will do her absolutely no favours with the vast majority of British voters, including Conservatives.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 12, 2017, 12:36:02 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 12, 2017, 11:35:43 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-and-maryland-to-sue-president-trump-alleging-breach-of-constitutional-oath/2017/06/11/0059e1f0-4f19-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.html?pwa=true&utm_term=.10e29f7905f0
Sounds like retarded bullshit that's a complete waste of tax dollars that will never go anywhere
Post by: sg3 on June 12, 2017, 02:00:01 PM
Sounds like retarded bullshit that's a complete waste of tax dollars that will never go anywhereYou are speaking of Trump, I assume, in which case your analysis above sums up him and administration perfectly. Excellent job, dcm
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Post by: dcm1602 on June 12, 2017, 03:03:18 PM
You are speaking of Trump, I assume, in which case your analysis above sums up him and administration perfectly. Excellent job, dcm
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You're still alive?
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2017, 04:22:52 PM
Post by: sg3 on June 12, 2017, 06:23:55 PM
You're still alive?Yup
And unlike you, even from the neck up.
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Post by: dcm1602 on June 12, 2017, 06:25:29 PM
I was going to post the same sentiment as sg3 but then I realized my break was over and I didn't want to waste your taxpayer dollars.
While I'm not going to argue that Trump is a moron. Do you think the idiotic political lawsuits that have no merit serve a purpose?
Both sides are completely guilty of investigations and lawsuits which sole purpose is to throw mud. This does no good
Post by: Fenwyr on June 12, 2017, 11:41:04 PM
While I'm not going to argue that Trump is a moron. Do you think the idiotic political lawsuits that have no merit serve a purpose?No merit? Foreign dignitary billionaires are paying massive amounts of money to stay in Trumps new DC hotel, cleary to win favors with the president. The other luxury DC hotels, where they used to stay, can no longer compete. This directly goes against the constitution.
Both sides are completely guilty of investigations and lawsuits which sole purpose is to throw mud. This does no good
Post by: sg3 on June 13, 2017, 02:31:21 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 13, 2017, 09:11:31 AM
Yesterday's Don Jong Un like cabinet meeting with each toadie required to voice their love and blessings for their "Dear Leader" was a new low for an administration already lower than a snake's belly
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Didn't burn Tommy despite golden opportunity, 0 honks
Post by: sg3 on June 13, 2017, 10:22:36 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 13, 2017, 10:52:24 AM
Trump's failed "presidency" is so far below just bad that even Tommy is probably ready to throw him under the bus
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Haaaa
Post by: Fenwyr on June 13, 2017, 10:57:21 AM
Health Care. Everyone will be covered. It will be cheaper and better. While obviously impossible under any republican leadership, it sounded nice, and Trump had a long history of supporting the concept of universal health care. He proposes 800 billion in tax cuts to the rich and wants to kick 24 million people of of health care. Trumped!
Infrastructure. Pledges to spend 1 trillion on infrastructure, and at times even praised the bipartisan legislation that had been proposed by Obama. He proposes a 1 trillion dollar tax cut for private corporations to take over our interstates, bridges, rail, and airports, with little to no regulation, allowing them to charge whatever they want for us to use them, whether they fix them or not. Trumped!
Tax Reform. Yes, he wanted to lower the corporate tax rate, but promised to close all the tax loopholes. Reasonable I guess. He proposes to cut those tax rates, but closes no loopholes. He will take away every deduction from individuals though, other than those related to real estate, go figure. Trumped!
Fortunately, none of this excrement will pass. But the fervent support by republican leadership in congress will hopefully not fall on blind eyes and deaf ears the next time around.
They will certainly not be getting independents and Obama democrats to drink the kool aid again.
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2017, 11:40:42 AM
Trump had 3 things in his agenda that I believe swung independents, and even some Obama democrats.It still blows my mind that there are people out there who voted for Bush x2, Obama x2, and then Trump.
Health Care. Everyone will be covered. It will be cheaper and better. While obviously impossible under any republican leadership, it sounded nice, and Trump had a long history of supporting the concept of universal health care. He proposes 800 billion in tax cuts to the rich and wants to kick 24 million people of of health care. Trumped!
Infrastructure. Pledges to spend 1 trillion on infrastructure, and at times even praised the bipartisan legislation that had been proposed by Obama. He proposes a 1 trillion dollar tax cut for private corporations to take over our interstates, bridges, rail, and airports, with little to no regulation, allowing them to charge whatever they want for us to use them, whether they fix them or not. Trumped!
Tax Reform. Yes, he wanted to lower the corporate tax rate, but promised to close all the tax loopholes. Reasonable I guess. He proposes to cut those tax rates, but closes no loopholes. He will take away every deduction from individuals though, other than those related to real estate, go figure. Trumped!
Fortunately, none of this excrement will pass. But the fervent support by republican leadership in congress will hopefully not fall on blind eyes and deaf ears the next time around.
They will certainly not be getting independents and Obama democrats to drink the kool aid again.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 13, 2017, 07:02:58 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2017, 07:45:24 PM
Senate Republicans are refusing to reveal their health care bill to the public.
I really hope it's as bad as feared, and I really hope it passes. It's going to take poor Americans dying for people to wake the freak up.
The UK needed Brexit to wake them up, but unfortunately it's almost certainly too late for them now. UK industry won't recover from the aftermath of Brexit, employment will be hugely impacted and there is an extended period of significant hardship coming for that country. America still has time to get freaking woke, but the idiots who vote Republican against their own best interest need a hard, sharp lesson in how little the right wing gives a freak about disposable voters.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 13, 2017, 08:54:16 PM
Senate Republicans are refusing to reveal their health care bill to the public.
Kind of like how the last healthcare legislation was passed.
I really hope it's as bad as feared, and I really hope it passes. It's going to take poor Americans dying for people to wake the freak up.
The UK needed Brexit to wake them up, but unfortunately it's almost certainly too late for them now. UK industry won't recover from the aftermath of Brexit, employment will be hugely impacted and there is an extended period of significant hardship coming for that country. America still has time to get freaking woke, but the idiots who vote Republican against their own best interest need a hard, sharp lesson in how little the right wing gives a freak about disposable voters.
TIL: The definition of woke means voting in Hamas sympathizers who think Chavez was a good leader.
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2017, 08:57:56 PM
TIL: The definition of woke means voting in Hamas sympathizers who think Chavez was a good leader.
I don't know who you're talking about, but this is a binary position that bears little relation to the real world.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 13, 2017, 09:11:15 PM
I don't know who you're talking about, but this is a binary position that bears little relation to the real world.
Corbyn.
His acceptance and advocacy of a dictator who took an oil rich nation and reduced it to excrement isn't either indicative of a profound ignorance or just an acceptance of detestable conditions and circumstances all for the advancement of an ideology?
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2017, 09:19:50 PM
Corbyn.
His acceptance and advocacy of a dictator who took an oil rich nation and reduced it to excrement isn't either indicative of a profound ignorance or just an acceptance of detestable conditions and circumstances all for the advancement of an ideology?
I'll confess to a limited knowledge of Corbyn's past, and he's definitely a little further to the left than me. I honestly don't know how I'd have voted were I still in the UK - I'd probably have voted Labour because he campaigned very well and took some very reasonable positions, but as we have seen in recent times it's very easy to promise an awful lot of things on the campaign trail and much harder to deliver when in power. My natural position on the UK political spectrum is Lib Dem but they've been a badly run party for a long time, I liked Nick Clegg a lot but he absolutely blew it when it mattered because he didn't recognise the power he held in the coalition.
To your original post, the world is not "either you're with Trump, or you're with Corbyn" (and I know you know that because I know you're not with Trump). My point was that it seems like extreme positions are finally waking people up - it took Le Pen having a real chance of winning to give France the market-oriented EU-friendly centrist they need, it took Brexit and the austerity obsessed Conservatives to get a social conscience vote out to the polls, and maybe it will take Trump's disastrous and hopefully short lived reign to make American voters force both of your parties to remember that their job is to serve the American people instead of the highest paying special interests.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 13, 2017, 09:43:54 PM
Kind of like how the last healthcare legislation was passed.
No.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 13, 2017, 11:45:15 PM
No.
Yes.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 13, 2017, 11:55:04 PM
Yes.
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Post by: sg3 on June 14, 2017, 01:50:31 AM
Kind of like how the last healthcare legislation was passed
you must have heard that on Fox News.
Because the ACA was passed with full disclosure, weeks and months of hearings, dozens of compromises and amendments, full analysis by the CBO
Unlike the current piece of Trump fecal matter that is being rammed through the Senate by the Kentucky turd without ever being released or even seen by the 25 million or more American citizens who will lose their health coverage
I'm guessing the couple of dozen billionaires like Mercer, the Kocks, Adelson and the Trumps are fully versed in the massive tax cut they will receive
Post by: Tommy on June 14, 2017, 04:39:54 AM
It still blows my mind that there are people out there who voted for Bush x2, Obama x2, and then Trump.
Democracy bro
Post by: mj2sexay on June 14, 2017, 08:26:07 AM
you must have heard that on Fox News.
Because the ACA was passed with full disclosure, weeks and months of hearings, dozens of compromises and amendments, full analysis by the CBO
Unlike the current piece of Trump fecal matter that is being rammed through the Senate by the Kentucky turd without ever being released or even seen by the 25 million or more American citizens who will lose their health coverage
I'm guessing the couple of dozen billionaires like Mercer, the Kocks, Adelson and the Trumps are fully versed in the massive tax cut they will receive
No, I heard it in a little place called reality. Somewhere you've chosen not to live in because of your freaking delusional hatred towards the President.
The revisionist history people want to play as to how that piece of excrement was passed is unreal. Individual mandate wasn't a tax until it was and all that, member?
Post by: Badger on June 14, 2017, 11:41:08 AM
Kind of like how the last healthcare legislation was passed.
If the ACA was shrouded in secrecy then how did our God-fearing patriot warriors in Congress know about the death panels?
Post by: mj2sexay on June 14, 2017, 12:00:27 PM
If the ACA was shrouded in secrecy then how did our God-fearing patriot warriors in Congress know about the death panels?
Interesting take considering Howard Dean openly speculated as to the same possibility. HYAAAAAAA!
I guess around these parts, "you have to pass the bill to find out whats in it" never happened.
Nowhere am I saying that the current legislation is being handled correctly procedurally at all, but again, there's irony in seeing people that supported the ACA decry about the lack of adherence to procedure.
Post by: Badger on June 14, 2017, 12:21:14 PM
Interesting take considering Howard Dean openly speculated as to the same possibility. HYAAAAAAA!I didn't support the ACA.
I guess around these parts, "you have to pass the bill to find out whats in it" never happened.
Nowhere am I saying that the current legislation is being handled correctly procedurally at all, but again, there's irony in seeing people that supported the ACA decry about the lack of adherence to procedure.
Post by: ons on June 14, 2017, 12:52:04 PM
I guess around these parts, "you have to pass the bill to find out whats in it" never happened.
It's baffling to me how you keep regurgitating trash radio-talk show level political commentary in between several hundred word rants about how politically thoughtful you are.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 14, 2017, 08:39:05 PM
It's baffling to me how you keep regurgitating trash radio-talk show level political commentary in between several hundred word rants about how politically thoughtful you are.
It's baffling to me how you never accuse others of adhering to dopey nicknames when the subject is Trump, but if I drop a Fauxahontas I'll be sure to hear about it.
By the way, what is false about this? Were these not the words of the senate majority leader at the time?
Post by: Badger on June 14, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
It's baffling to me how you never accuse others of adhering to dopey nicknames when the subject is Trump, but if I drop a Fauxahontas I'll be sure to hear about it.
That's because we hold you to a higher standard than sg3.
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 14, 2017, 09:47:53 PM
That's because we hold you to a higher standard than sg3.
Damn, sg3 sucks.
Post by: Miamipuck on June 14, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
That's because we hold you to a higher standard than sg3.
That's not really a compliment.
Badger: You know you smell better than the vomit in the bar's restroom.
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Post by: ons on June 14, 2017, 11:08:15 PM
It's baffling to me how you never accuse others of adhering to dopey nicknames when the subject is Trump, but if I drop a Fauxahontas I'll be sure to hear about it.
Mostly because of your eloquent and grandiose claims to objectivity.
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By the way, what is false about this? Were these not the words of the senate majority leader at the time?
First of all, yes, you subtly misquoted Pelosi: "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."
In context, it's clear she doesn't mean that she is planning to withhold the details of the bill until such time it is passed, but that she believes that once it is passed, Americans will understand the consequences more clearly.
Taking a sentence out of context, changing it just a little bit to take all the nuance out of it, and use it as a show of a politician's malevolence is again, talk-show quality.
Not to defend the sentence - it is sloppily constructed and a poor way for a politician to communicate - but using it to 'prove' Democrats were purposefully hiding the truth is silly.
Here:
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As you are in Washington this week, we stand at the doorstep of history, ready to realize a centuries old dream, started by a Republican President, Teddy Roosevelt. He was the one who started this country thinking in this direction, and we are deeply in his dept. But, we are a hundred years late. A century old dream of health care for all, and we will be prepared to send the bill to President Obama’s desk that ensures affordability for the middle class, accountability for the insurance companies, and access for millions more Americans, tens of millions more.
“Nobody knows better than you the strain on hospitals that never turned a patient away, and health care providers grappling with the challenges of the uninsured and shrinking reimbursement. You know as well as anyone, that our current system is unsustainable. It’s unsustainable to individuals and their families. It’s unsustainable for small businesses. It’s unsustainable for your communities. It’s unsustainable for our state, local, and national budgets.
“President Obama said, one year ago, when he called the first bipartisan, on March 5th of last year, the first bipartisan House and Senate meeting together with many outside stakeholders together at the White House, to find a way for us to come together. And at that time, he said: ‘Health care reform is entitlement reform.’ We cannot sustain the upward spiral of the increases in health care and what that means in Medicare and what it means in Medicaid. So from the standpoint of our national budget, and for your budgets, the current system, as I said, is unsustainable.
“Again, it’s unaffordable for families, individuals and families, for businesses of any size, and it is a cost to our economy. Imagine an economy where people could follow their aspirations, where they could be entrepreneurial, where they could take risks professionally because personally their families health care needs are being met. Where they could be self-employed or start a business, not be job-locked in a job because they have health care there, and if they went out on their own it would be unaffordable to them, but especially true, if someone has a child with a pre-existing condition. So when we pass our bill, never again will people be denied coverage because they have a pre-existing condition.
“We have to do this in partnership, and I wanted to bring up to date on where we see it from here. The final health care legislation that will soon be passed by Congress will deliver successful reform at the local level. It will offer paid for investments that will improve health care services and coverage for millions more Americans. It will make significant investments in innovation, prevention, wellness and offer robust support for public health infrastructure. It will dramatically expand investments into community health centers. That means a dramatic expansion in the number of patients community health centers can see and ultimately healthier communities. Our bill will significantly reduce uncompensated care for hospitals.
“You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention — it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.
“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation — innovation begins in the classroom — clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform. Health insurance reform is about jobs. This legislation alone will create 4 million jobs, about 400,000 jobs very soon.
“We must have the courage, though, to get the job done. We have the ideas. We have the commitment. We have the dedication. We know the urgency. Now we have to have the courage to get the job done. So proud that President Obama is taking the message so forcefully to the American people! This is long overdue, a hundred years.
Post by: Johnny English on June 15, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
Lobbyist working for Russian companies: er, he invited me to dinner, twice, during the campaign.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/15/lobbyist-russian-interests-jeff-sessions-testimony
Post by: MBGreen on June 15, 2017, 12:15:03 PM
Post by: sg3 on June 15, 2017, 01:37:12 PM
makes sense(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170615/6256d598be94d515fda2cb6b61cf27f4.jpg)LOL
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Post by: Johnny English on June 15, 2017, 01:56:26 PM
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2017, 10:27:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2017, 10:44:14 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on June 24, 2017, 12:36:31 PM
Spicer is the latest podium puppet to crumble under the weight of the White House lies. Ingraham from Fox News appears to be in line to be the next Comical Ali.
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Post by: bojanglesman on June 25, 2017, 03:05:38 PM
So which is it?
Now, on one hand, it is still a reduction in spending compared to the current ACA side-by side. Quite a bit. However I feel like calling it a massive cut entails that it will reduce the amount spent compared to what is being spent this year, which isn't true to the best of my knowledge. Maybe it is compared to GDP or the overall budget, I don't know. If you listen to the Democrat quotes, it sounds like Medicaid will be cut in half from the amount spent this year. If you listen to the Republicans, it sounds like someone squirming to make something sound not so bad.
Seems like lots of word twisting on both sides as usual.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 26, 2017, 09:36:17 AM
It gets more complicated at the state level, as the senate bill deliberately punishes blue states for being blue states. But if I go there this post quickly becomes TLDR.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 26, 2017, 09:49:24 AM
Quick answer. Spending will not keep up with demand. For every person that gets on it, someone ever so slightly less needy will get kicked off.Fair enough.
It gets more complicated at the state level, as the senate bill deliberately punishes blue states for being blue states. But if I go there this post quickly becomes TLDR.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 26, 2017, 10:27:28 AM
Quick answer. Spending will not keep up with demand. For every person that gets on it, someone ever so slightly less needy will get kicked off.
It gets more complicated at the state level, as the senate bill deliberately punishes blue states for being blue states. But if I go there this post quickly becomes TLDR.
Spending already doesn't keep up with demand which is why this debate has been at the forefront of politics for many years.
I doubt this plan will solve anything, it'll likely fix some problems and create others. But if it made healthcare more affordable for lower class individuals, then the demand should be lesser for medicaid
Post by: IATA on June 26, 2017, 10:46:55 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on June 26, 2017, 11:02:29 AM
Spending already doesn't keep up with demand which is why this debate has been at the forefront of politics for many years.
I doubt this plan will solve anything, it'll likely fix some problems and create others. But if it made healthcare more affordable for lower class individuals, then the demand should be lesser for medicaid
None of that made a single bit of sense.
The ACA increased Medicaid spending drastically, providing insurance for 11 million additional people over the last 8 years.
The AHCA making healthcare more affordable for the lower class? What the freak are you talking about?
Post by: ons on June 26, 2017, 10:40:39 PM
Seems like lots of word twisting on both sides as usual.
Simplifying the health-care argument into spending cuts is silly - I'm sure some people here remember Republicans employing similar arguments during the ACA process. Paul Ryan in 2012:
"So, they just took it all away from Medicare, $716 billion, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama. An obligation we have to our parents and grandparents is being sacrificed, all to pay for a new entitlement we didn’t even ask for. The greatest threat to Medicare is Obamacare, and we’re going to stop it."
https://www.google.com/search?q=716+billion+taken+from+medicare&oq=716+billion&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.3752j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Generally a lazy line of argument on both sides - the amount necessary to spend will vary depending on what else is included in any health care law.
Post by: ons on June 26, 2017, 10:55:25 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2017, 10:37:47 AM
None of that made a single bit of sense.
The ACA increased Medicaid spending drastically, providing insurance for 11 million additional people over the last 8 years.
The AHCA making healthcare more affordable for the lower class? What the freak are you talking about?
If less people need medicaid, medicaid needs less funding
Post by: Fenwyr on June 27, 2017, 12:08:06 PM
If less people need medicaid, medicaid needs less fundingWhy would less people need medicaid? And no, lower income people are not going to magically be able to afford to purchase healtcare if Trumpcare passes. In fact, every independant organization to chime in so far says the opposite will be true.
Now your statement starts to make sense if enough people die due to lack of coverage.
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2017, 12:20:54 PM
Why would less people need medicaid? And no, lower income people are not going to magically be able to afford to purchase healtcare if Trumpcare passes. In fact, every independant organization to chime in so far says the opposite will be true.
Now your statement starts to make sense if enough people die due to lack of coverage.
Apparently 42% of Medicaid spending goes on nursing homes. Maybe this new bill will introduce a magical elixir to reverse the ageing process, thus enabling all those sponging old giffers to go back to work, buy their own homes and get their own health insurance.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 27, 2017, 12:44:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2017, 01:10:37 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/06/26/three-cnn-employees-resign-over-retracted-story-on-russia-ties/
Centre-left media organisation overreaches on a story and takes appropriate action against its staff: FAKE NEWS!
White House gives official press credentials to spurious websites that literally make stuff up: meh.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2017, 04:30:31 PM
Centre-left media organisation overreaches on a story and takes appropriate action against its staff: FAKE NEWS!
White House gives official press credentials to spurious websites that literally make stuff up: meh.
Centre-left lol
They were freaking giving Hillary Clinton questions to the presidential debate.
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2017, 04:48:57 PM
Centre-left lol
They were freaking giving Hillary Clinton questions to the presidential debate.
The American left wing isn't remotely left wing. Left and right wing are relative terms, but in the political spectrum the whole of the US system is heavily shifted to the right compared to most Western democracies. The Democratic Party may be to the left of the Republican Party, but it isn't on the left side of the political spectrum.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2017, 04:51:51 PM
The American left wing isn't remotely left wing. Left and right wing are relative terms, but in the political spectrum the whole of the US system is heavily shifted to the right compared to most Western democracies. The Democratic Party may be to the left of the Republican Party, but it isn't on the left side of the political spectrum.
You are correct, but we are talking about the context of the American media and American president. In America they're a leftist organization, who actively tried to get Hillary Clinton elected president. I understand that no news network is seemingly unbiased these days but they chose sides
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2017, 04:54:35 PM
You are correct, but we are talking about the context of the American media and American president. In America they're a leftist organization, who actively tried to get Hillary Clinton elected president
So by your rationale Fox is a centrist news outlet because they're not as right wing as Breitbart and Infowars?
And anyway, that doesn't change my original point. I don't remember SFD or you or anyone else being up in arms about the White House credentialing far right propagandists.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2017, 04:59:03 PM
So by your rationale Fox is a centrist news outlet because they're not as right wing as Breitbart and Infowars?
And anyway, that doesn't change my original point. I don't remember SFD or you or anyone else being up in arms about the White House credentialing far right propagandists.
I'm not up in arms about it, but they are flat out far right wing networks. And fox is absolutely a right wing network as well. I just think it's silly to give legitimatcy to these crazies on either sides of the aisle.
I think politico does a relatively decent job staying somewhat fair, but CNN and fox certainly are nowhere near the center. And those far right (and left) journalists are a complete joke and shouldn't be taken seriously by anybody
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2017, 05:04:44 PM
I'm not up in arms about it, but they are flat out far right wing networks. And fox is absolutely a right wing network as well. I just think it's silly to give legitimatcy to these crazies on either sides of the aisle.
I think politico does a relatively decent job staying somewhat fair, but CNN and fox certainly are nowhere near the center. And those far right (and left) journalists are a complete joke and shouldn't be taken seriously by anybody
That's really not true.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-your-preferred-news-outlet-says-about-your-political-ideology-2014-10
You think that CNN are far left because you're a softcore right winger, so the only way you can watch CNN is to turn your head to the left. They're actually just left of centre. The political conversation in the US has had another big kick to the right in recent times, so simply by holding still you think they've moved further left. They haven't.
(I don't entirely agree with the positioning of that table, BTW. I don't think the BBC is that far off centre.)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 27, 2017, 05:05:37 PM
So by your rationale Fox is a centrist news outlet because they're not as right wing as Breitbart and Infowars?
And anyway, that doesn't change my original point. I don't remember SFD or you or anyone else being up in arms about the White House credentialing far right propagandists.
I'm past the point worrying about retard rants from breitbart (an organization that arguably doesn't have a single shred of credibility) when they have steve bannon IN the freaking White House already.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2017, 05:08:18 PM
That's really not true.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-your-preferred-news-outlet-says-about-your-political-ideology-2014-10
You think that CNN are far left because you're a softcore right winger, so the only way you can watch CNN is to turn your head to the left. They're actually just left of centre. The political conversation in the US has had another big kick to the right in recent times, so simply by holding still you think they've moved further left. They haven't.
(I don't entirely agree with the positioning of that table, BTW. I don't think the BBC is that far off centre.)
I think CNN is far left because they used their status and position to try to help get Hillary Clinton elected. If Sean Hannity was giving Trump debate questions from fox your opinion would likely be far harsher than mine
And to give Fox credit Meagan Kelly almost destroyed Trumps presidential hopes and really started this whole Trump hates women thing
Also CNN is pretty much as far from 0 as fox is. So if CNN doesn't take sides neither does fox
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2017, 05:16:59 PM
I think CNN is far left because they used their status and position to try to help get Hillary Clinton elected.
You keep saying this, but it's not true. Donna Brazile gave Hillary the debate questions, not CNN, and they fired her from her job as an analyst for doing so. If you're going to take the position that the actions of one correspondent are the responsibility of the entire organisation, then by that logic Fox News committed sexual assault.
Edit: also, looking back she was leaking questions to Clinton's camp for the primary debates. If they were as left wing as you claim, surely they'd have been helping Bernie?
Post by: dcm1602 on June 27, 2017, 05:28:25 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 27, 2017, 05:37:10 PM
The chart you linked shows them being just as left of center as fox is right. Either they're both biased or both not
I was surprised that Fox weren't much further to the right, but then I start from a left of centre position. We always need to account for our own starting bias in these things. Also, this is from 2014 so there is scope for some of these to have moved - for example, I don't see such a clear distinction between WaPo and the NYT's positions, and I don't see HuffPo, the BBC and The Economist all sitting in broadly the same place at all.
Post by: Badger on June 27, 2017, 08:39:56 PM
Centre-left lol
They were freaking giving Hillary Clinton questions to the presidential debate.
Hillary is center-left. Like center-center-left.
Post by: sg3 on June 28, 2017, 05:48:09 AM
Centre-left lolThe election ended more than 200 days.
They were freaking giving Hillary Clinton questions to the presidential debate.
Meanwhile your Orange Orangutan has pretty much accomplished zero and F'ed up every single day of the 150 days of his White House occupation.
Tell us about all that winning the A hole promised your fellow brain dead trumpkins
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Post by: sg3 on June 28, 2017, 05:50:49 AM
You are correct, but we are talking about the context of the American media and American president. In America they're a leftist organization, who actively tried to get Hillary Clinton elected president. I understand that no news network is seemingly unbiased these days but they chose sides
Good thing fair and balanced Fox and Newsmax and OAN and ABCDisney and Breitbart stayed unbiased and neutral
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Post by: Johnny English on June 28, 2017, 10:05:16 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 28, 2017, 11:04:23 AM
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Richard W. Painter @RWPUSA
I just received an email from POTUS calling CNN the "Fake News Network". I have never seen a president behave this way. Something is wrong.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 28, 2017, 12:26:31 PM
GWB's Chief Ethics Lawyer between '05 and '07:
Does this dweeb not have Twitter?
Post by: dcm1602 on June 28, 2017, 04:43:02 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/immigrant-worker-unharvested-crops_us_59508a72e4b05c37bb774d89
Is it just me or is the biggest problem that there's millions of dollars in food rotting, but California has almost 900,000 unemployed adults "actively" looking for work, and fruit picking has essentially 0 job requirements you don't even need to speak English
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 28, 2017, 06:13:01 PM
Is it just me or is the biggest problem that there's millions of dollars in food rotting, but California has almost 900,000 unemployed adults "actively" looking for work, and fruit picking has essentially 0 job requirements you don't even need to speak English
It's not the "biggest problem" but it is true that most people in this country would rather not work than do menial work that pays next to nothing.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 28, 2017, 06:59:03 PM
It's not the "biggest problem" but it is true that most people in this country would rather not work than do menial work that pays next to nothing.
Minimum wage in California is 10.50 an hour. Certainly not good money, but 21,000 a year is a lot better than not working
Post by: bojanglesman on June 28, 2017, 08:52:14 PM
Minimum wage in California is 10.50 an hour. Certainly not good money, but 21,000 a year is a lot better than not workingProbably not, on paper. Especially with the cost of living there.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 28, 2017, 09:00:20 PM
Probably not, on paper. Especially with the cost of living there.
Well you'd almost certainly still be eligible for government assistance, and nothing stopping you from picking up additional work.
It just bothered me when they paint this picture of how dire this is not being able to get workers, when you have a million people looking for work
Post by: bojanglesman on June 28, 2017, 09:15:54 PM
Well you'd almost certainly still be eligible for government assistance, and nothing stopping you from picking up additional work.The way things are today are different now that there are some social safety nets in place that weren't there 80 years ago. There was a time when you either took that job in the field or you begged/starved. You had nothing to fall back on.
It just bothered me when they paint this picture of how dire this is not being able to get workers, when you have a million people looking for work
Thankfully none of us have had to deal with that kind of reality. That being said, most people have enough pride to either take that job (or some kind of job), or at least be holding out to spend more time looking for a better job. Not all people though, and those are the people that pee everyone off.
Most of us in here, including myself, couldn't hang in a job that some of these migrant workers do in fields. Especially in the deep South where it's 9 million freaking degrees and 1000% humidity.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 28, 2017, 09:18:47 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 28, 2017, 09:28:31 PM
There's no deficiency of workers or jobs in this country. There's a deficiency of workers that possess the requisite skills to perform the jobs that we have a surplus of. That's why so many high skill jobs (engineers, doctors, scientists, etc.) are filled by people from other countries while low skill workers here are struggling to find gainful employment or are dropping out of the labor force entirely.This is true. Using the field workers as an example, you would think that the cost of food would subsequently rise to allow for high enough wages to attract people to that job, but it never seems to happen. I guess they always find low wage workers and Walmart is bitch to compete with.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on June 28, 2017, 09:30:35 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 28, 2017, 10:13:45 PM
Minimum wage in California is 10.50 an hour. Certainly not good money, but 21,000 a year is a lot better than not working
According to that article, they're paying well over minimum wage - some places up to $30K per annum. It's almost like the problem isn't immigrants, it's Americans.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 29, 2017, 03:54:33 AM
According to that article, they're paying well over minimum wage - some places up to $30K per annum. It's almost like the problem isn't immigrants, it's Americans.If I had the money I would start a temp agency for field workers in CA. I'd start folks at 10 and give them a bonus for evey week they lasted.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2017, 05:40:47 AM
According to that article, they're paying well over minimum wage - some places up to $30K per annum. It's almost like the problem isn't immigrants, it's Americans..
I agree 100%
Post by: bojanglesman on June 29, 2017, 05:51:48 AM
According to that article, they're paying well over minimum wage - some places up to $30K per annum. It's almost like the problem isn't expats, it's Americans.
Fyp
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 29, 2017, 07:23:33 AM
Well you'd almost certainly still be eligible for government assistance, and nothing stopping you from picking up additional work.
It just bothered me when they paint this picture of how dire this is not being able to get workers, when you have a million people looking for work
Nothing except the exhaustion from working your derriere off in a hot field all day lol. Anyone who doesn't live within walking distance or have a living arrangment where you can pack a car up like you're in the circus and all go to work for the day that job is a net negative compared to waiting for something better on unemployment or whatever.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2017, 08:26:56 AM
Nothing except the exhaustion from working your derriere off in a hot field all day lol. Anyone who doesn't live within walking distance or have a living arrangment where you can pack a car up like you're in the circus and all go to work for the day that job is a net negative compared to waiting for something better on unemployment or whatever.
And that's the bigger problem. People should be encouraged to take shitty jobs, not encouraged to sit at home waiting for a miracle job that they're not qualified for.
The system itself is busted
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 29, 2017, 08:54:51 AM
And that's the bigger problem. People should be encouraged to take shitty jobs, not encouraged to sit at home waiting for a miracle job that they're not qualified for.
The system itself is busted
No, they shouldn't because people aren't as terrible as you think on the whole. I just went through this end of last year through March. I got laid off and didn't jump at every job I could have possibly gotten because I was given to a bit of time to sort my excrement out without being with 0 income.
In your world I probably go back to work in a few weeks instead of a few months but I would have ended up in some shitty job that I would be tempted to kill myself instead of getting up and going to every day.
In the world where I was given an evil handout and got to "do nothing all day" aka fill out at least 3 of those ridiculously long online applications while taking care of my infant daughter for a few months I now have a job that pays well, has a clear path to promotion and greater income and I actually feel good about going to work every day.
freak off you stupid freaking shithead.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2017, 09:45:26 AM
No, they shouldn't because people aren't as terrible as you think on the whole. I just went through this end of last year through March. I got laid off and didn't jump at every job I could have possibly gotten because I was given to a bit of time to sort my excrement out without being with 0 income.
In your world I probably go back to work in a few weeks instead of a few months but I would have ended up in some shitty job that I would be tempted to kill myself instead of getting up and going to every day.
In the world where I was given an evil handout and got to "do nothing all day" aka fill out at least 3 of those ridiculously long online applications while taking care of my infant daughter for a few months I now have a job that pays well, has a clear path to promotion and greater income and I actually feel good about going to work every day.
freak off you stupid freaking shithead.
#ThanksTrump
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 29, 2017, 11:50:13 AM
#ThanksTrump
lol, oh and my company is based in Europe so they actually treat us like people which is super unamerican but quite pleasant.
Post by: Tommy on June 29, 2017, 12:27:28 PM
Centre-left media organisation overreaches on a story and takes appropriate action against its staff: FAKE NEWS!
White House gives official press credentials to spurious websites that literally make stuff up: meh.
This has been a huge problem facing the media over the years, even financial news and information providers. It's become as cutthroat as ever as everyone is fighting to survive, so the typical standards of reporting (not releasing a story unless it's confirmed by at least 3 sources, etc) is out the window. It's kinda like a poster who refuses to admit they're wrong posting a blog piece to support his argument.
Stuff like this should make people even more skeptical of the media. You have to remember that most field reporters are young kids straight out of school trying to make a name for themselves. The pay is excrement as well. So the only way to advance is to either (if you're a chick) sleep with as many people as possible to get some good scoops, or (if you're a dude) make excrement up and hope no one notices. Both happened regularly at my last job, which was a financial news provider.
Post by: Tommy on June 29, 2017, 12:34:27 PM
There's no deficiency of workers or jobs in this country. There's a deficiency of workers that possess the requisite skills to perform the jobs that we have a surplus of. That's why so many high skill jobs (engineers, doctors, scientists, etc.) are filled by people from other countries while low skill workers here are struggling to find gainful employment or are dropping out of the labor force entirely.
I blame our education system. In most countries, if you go to school to be an engineer, you're not taking courses in philosophy and other liberal arts crap. We have this idea that if we make students take a bunch of different subjects that they'll "figure out what they want to study". Rarely happens. College should be a place that prepares you for a career, not this idealistic crap of creating young well-rounded educated kids who end up selling insurance or in other unskilled professions... with massive debt to boot.
For the average tuition spent per student, there's absolutely zero reason we shouldn't be churning out hundreds of thousands of highly skilled professionals a year.
It's actually pretty embarrassing.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 29, 2017, 01:30:06 PM
This has been a huge problem facing the media over the years, even financial news and information providers. It's become as cutthroat as ever as everyone is fighting to survive, so the typical standards of reporting (not releasing a story unless it's confirmed by at least 3 sources, etc) is out the window. It's kinda like a poster who refuses to admit they're wrong posting a blog piece to support his argument.Shocker. Tommy is on the 'fake news' bandwagon. Of course, the only way a female journalist gets anywhere is by spreading her legs, and the only way a male journalist gets anywhere is by making excrement up.
Stuff like this should make people even more skeptical of the media. You have to remember that most field reporters are young kids straight out of school trying to make a name for themselves. The pay is excrement as well. So the only way to advance is to either (if you're a chick) sleep with as many people as possible to get some good scoops, or (if you're a dude) make excrement up and hope no one notices. Both happened regularly at my last job, which was a financial news provider.
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 29, 2017, 01:34:15 PM
I blame our education system. In most countries, if you go to school to be an engineer, you're not taking courses in philosophy and other liberal arts crap. We have this idea that if we make students take a bunch of different subjects that they'll "figure out what they want to study". Rarely happens. College should be a place that prepares you for a career, not this idealistic crap of creating young well-rounded educated kids who end up selling insurance or in other unskilled professions... with massive debt to boot.
For the average tuition spent per student, there's absolutely zero reason we shouldn't be churning out hundreds of thousands of highly skilled professionals a year.
It's actually pretty embarrassing.
While I do get the sentiment I can't agree. If someone like you wasn't forced to step outside a very narrow world view at that point in life you would probably literally be a Nazi by now. Some of those classes are jokes but as a whole they are still needed.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 29, 2017, 01:42:54 PM
I blame our education system. In most countries, if you go to school to be an engineer, you're not taking courses in philosophy and other liberal arts crap. We have this idea that if we make students take a bunch of different subjects that they'll "figure out what they want to study". Rarely happens. College should be a place that prepares you for a career, not this idealistic crap of creating young well-rounded educated kids who end up selling insurance or in other unskilled professions... with massive debt to boot.Liberal arts promotes critical thinking. Critical thinking is essential to a lasting democracy. We are far more than our professions.
For the average tuition spent per student, there's absolutely zero reason we shouldn't be churning out hundreds of thousands of highly skilled professionals a year.
It's actually pretty embarrassing.
You sound like you want to put every C high school student into welding school, every B student into engineering school, and every A student into medical school.
You are talking about creating worker drones that know nothing beyond their profession. That works perfectly for a political party that decides what news is real. That works perfectly for the billionaire elite that controls that party.
It's known as facist communism Tommy.
Post by: Fenwyr on June 29, 2017, 01:59:50 PM
While I do get the sentiment I can't agree. If someone like you wasn't forced to step outside a very narrow world view at that point in life you would probably literally be a Nazi by now. Some of those classes are jokes but as a whole they are still needed.I think back on some my classes outside my majors. It was 20+ years ago, but I am glad I took them. Math and the physical sciences came easy to me. If not for those other classes I would have never developed the other side of my brain.
I have an agent in training that went to Julliard for dancing. Pretty specific curriculum, can play a couple instruments as well, but her knee went to excrement.
Listening to her, at 33 years old, trying to read a paragraph out loud, is like listening to a 5 year old trying 'hooked on phonics' for the first time.
I wish I had studied Spanish or taken some more artistic courses as electorates, but I am glad I took some philosophy, psychology and political science.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 29, 2017, 06:35:08 PM
While I do get the sentiment I can't agree. If someone like you wasn't forced to step outside a very narrow world view at that point in life you would probably literally be a Nazi by now. Some of those classes are jokes but as a whole they are still needed.
Hah, yeah. The American education system would be pumping out little Himmler's if not for mandated sociology classes.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2017, 09:53:54 PM
While I do get the sentiment I can't agree. If someone like you wasn't forced to step outside a very narrow world view at that point in life you would probably literally be a Nazi by now. Some of those classes are jokes but as a whole they are still needed.
Then why do we have this problem where many if not most college grads cant get real jobs ?
Post by: dcm1602 on June 29, 2017, 09:54:53 PM
Liberal arts promotes critical thinking. Critical thinking is essential to a lasting democracy. We are far more than our professions.
You sound like you want to put every C high school student into welding school, every B student into engineering school, and every A student into medical school.
You are talking about creating worker drones that know nothing beyond their profession. That works perfectly for a political party that decides what news is real. That works perfectly for the billionaire elite that controls that party.
It's known as facist communism Tommy.
I dont mind rounding out a curriculum. But students should come out qualified to do something no ?
Post by: Fenwyr on June 30, 2017, 02:24:31 AM
I dont mind rounding out a curriculum. But students should come out qualified to do something no ?Ideally, but we can't just tell people not to be literature or theater majors. But I also don't shed a tear for them when they get a $15 an hour dead end job.
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 30, 2017, 07:06:10 AM
I work with this guy who was double major in theater and anthropology for who the freak knows what reason. Can't tell his work from someone with a more acceptable degree.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 30, 2017, 08:37:31 AM
I post this not because of the subject or the news, but because of the awesome-derriere mugshot:
(https://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/steve-st-felix.jpg)
Post by: Fenwyr on June 30, 2017, 09:30:52 AM
I kinda think that whole circle jerk could end if companies who don't really need that super specific degree just admitted it and gave people with those "useless" degrees a chance instead of laughing about how they should work at McDonald's.Entry level accountant, data analyst, desktop support, etc. are some examples of jobs with solid career paths that anyone that was able to graduate college, regardless of major, can be trained to do.
I work with this guy who was double major in theater and anthropology for who the freak knows what reason. Can't tell his work from someone with a more acceptable degree.
Post by: Tommy on June 30, 2017, 07:04:38 PM
Entry level accountant, data analyst, desktop support, etc. are some examples of jobs with solid career paths that anyone that was able to graduate college, regardless of major, can be trained to do.
You forgot sales. There's no degree in sales. You'd be surprised by the range of majors I've come across in my career. One of the best B2B salespeople I met majored in Russian Literature.
Though it does take ambition and effort to get your foot in the door. If you major in network engineering, you've at least narrowed down your search. If you major in psychology and don't plan on getting a PhD then you're applying for many different types of jobs.
I would love to see 2 years of mandated liberal arts etc, and then by then you should choose a major that you can actually apply after graduation.
Post by: Fenwyr on July 01, 2017, 04:54:55 AM
You forgot sales. There's no degree in sales. You'd be surprised by the range of majors I've come across in my career. One of the best B2B salespeople I met majored in Russian Literature.A 'yes' on everything you just said there.
Though it does take ambition and effort to get your foot in the door. If you major in network engineering, you've at least narrowed down your search. If you major in psychology and don't plan on getting a PhD then you're applying for many different types of jobs.
I would love to see 2 years of mandated liberal arts etc, and then by then you should choose a major that you can actually apply after graduation.
I left out sales intentionally, because some people are simply not wired for sales.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 01, 2017, 08:40:29 AM
Ideally, but we can't just tell people not to be literature or theater majors. But I also don't shed a tear for them when they get a $15 an hour dead end job.
We can't tell them not to be them, but we can pay for them to become them so they can go work at Walmart?
If the government is going to get involved, they need to make sure their money isn't getting wasted. We have plenty of that already
Post by: sg3 on July 01, 2017, 09:11:53 AM
We can't tell them not to be them, but we can pay for them to become them so they can go work at Walmart?And yet you are a fan of the biggest money waster in US history
If the government is going to get involved, they need to make sure their money is getting wasted. We have plenty of that already
All for self enrichment too
millions for weekly golf weekends at Maralago and NJ
More for Melanoma security at Dump Tower
Etc
Post by: dcm1602 on July 01, 2017, 09:29:30 AM
And yet you are a fan of the biggest money waster in US history
All for self enrichment too
millions for weekly golf weekends at Maralago and NJ
More for Melanoma security at Dump Tower
Etc
You're still alive?
Post by: sg3 on July 01, 2017, 09:57:39 AM
You're still alive?Yup
And unlike you, from the neck up also
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 01, 2017, 12:17:04 PM
A 'yes' on everything you just said there.
I left out sales intentionally, because some people are simply not wired for sales.
I hated sales so freaking much.
Post by: Fenwyr on July 01, 2017, 01:09:25 PM
We can't tell them not to be them, but we can pay for them to become them so they can go work at Walmart?I have never been in the free education no matter what camp.
If the government is going to get involved, they need to make sure their money isn't getting wasted. We have plenty of that already
I am OK with 2 free years after high school, and am perfectly OK with it being liberal arts. If they want a free education after that, it should be in a field where the country is found wanting.
Post by: Fenwyr on July 01, 2017, 01:32:08 PM
I hated sales so freaking much.Sales needs to be broken down into at least 2 categories, just to be fair.
1. I truly believe in this widget. I would sell this widget guilt free to my mom. This widget is a great product and I sleep like a baby at night because I have provided this widget to more people.
2. I don't give a freak about this widget. I'm going convince you that you need this widget, even though I know you don't. I sleep like a baby at night because I have more money.
Obviously those are extremes. I had fun towards the 1 end. I felt like I was slowly dying inside towards the 2 end.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 03, 2017, 04:18:53 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on July 04, 2017, 11:12:22 AM
What's more conservative than the federal government demanding people's personal information?Ultimately using the information to further suppress the vote.
Post by: Badger on July 06, 2017, 04:07:02 PM
We can't tell them not to be them, but we can pay for them to become them so they can go work at Walmart?
Sure, if Wal-Mart is forced to pay a living wage.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 06, 2017, 09:14:56 PM
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2017, 01:49:57 PM
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When President Donald Trump decided on Saturday to skip part of a discussion about what the leaders of the world’s 20 largest economies could do to help Africans improve their lives at home — rather than risk them by migrating to Europe — there was no shortage of cabinet members who could have taken his seat between China’s President, Xi Jinping, and the United Kingdom’s Prime Minister Theresa May.
The American delegation to the Group of 20 conference in Hamburg, Germany includes Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who is fourth in line for the presidency, as well as Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster.
That Trump chose, instead, to seat his daughter, Ivanka, alongside the other 19 heads of state, was perhaps the most stunning illustration to date that he sees a complete lack of experience in affairs of state as no barrier at all to treating her as his de facto vice president.
Imagine how much crying there would be if Hillary was using Chelsea like this.
Post by: sg3 on July 08, 2017, 03:56:33 PM
Anyway, back to "this guy has no clue what he's doing."
Imagine how much crying there would be if Hillary was using Chelsea like this.
There is that President thing that Trump doesn't give a crap about and he's delegated to Putin
And then there's the YUGGELY more important Trump Organized Crime Family stuff your pockets thing that he cares about BIGLY and has delegated to Ivanka, Jared and the other inbreds
What has he NOT delegated?
golf and eliminating press freedom
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Post by: d sw0rdz on July 08, 2017, 04:04:38 PM
Anyway, back to "this guy has no clue what he's doing."
Imagine how much crying there would be if Hillary was using Chelsea like this.
people will cry that you even have the audacity of tabling an 'imagine if this was hillary doing this' argument
Post by: Johnny English on July 11, 2017, 10:18:05 AM
http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/hamburg-taught-the-world-that-the-u-s-no-longer-matters/
Post by: sg3 on July 11, 2017, 12:22:06 PM
Oof.
http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/hamburg-taught-the-world-that-the-u-s-no-longer-matters/
They've uncovered the reason for this. Trump thought that G20 was some sort of YUUUGE global Bingo game and was frustrated and angry that no one gave him his card
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Post by: Laxin on July 11, 2017, 08:16:00 PM
Is this as incriminating as I think it may be?...
Post by: Johnny English on July 11, 2017, 08:22:40 PM
http://www.npr.org/2017/07/11/536648394/emails-show-trump-jr-knew-russia-was-working-to-support-trump-campaign?sc=tw
Is this as incriminating as I think it may be?...
Who knows any more? There's a family of grifters in the White House and a remarkable amount of people seem to be unbothered about it.
Post by: Tommy on July 12, 2017, 07:23:42 AM
Oof.
http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/hamburg-taught-the-world-that-the-u-s-no-longer-matters/
The whole world is acting like a bunch of women consoling each other on some guy they're hung up on but doesn't treat them right. "You don't need him! You're so much better off! You're beautiful!"
Blah. Blah. Blah.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 12, 2017, 07:53:04 AM
The whole world is acting like a bunch of women consoling each other on some guy they're hung up on but doesn't treat them right. "You don't need him! You're so much better off! You're beautiful!"
Blah. Blah. Blah.
(http://maureenohalloran.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/supportbraimage-438x600.jpg)
/thread crossover. There, there.
Post by: sg3 on July 12, 2017, 07:58:06 AM
The whole world is acting like a bunch of women consoling each other on some guy they're hung up on but doesn't treat them right. "You don't need him! You're so much better off! You're beautiful!"Unlike you and your sister KellyAnne, the rest of the USA and planet are not happy with your hero President Benedict Arnold and his crime family licking the sphincter of a murdering Russian dictator in hope of getting his hundreds of billions of Russian bank debt written.off the books
Blah. Blah. Blah.
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Post by: MBGreen on July 12, 2017, 08:01:51 AM
Unlike you and your sister KellyAnne, the rest of the USA and planet are not happy with your hero President Benedict Arnold and his crime family licking the sphincter of a murdering Russian dictator in hope of getting his hundreds of billions of Russian bank debt written.off the books
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we need a hyperbole translator to apply to your posts.
Post by: reuben on July 12, 2017, 08:23:44 AM
we need a hyperbole translator to apply to your posts.
He's like a liberal RaiderJoe.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 12, 2017, 11:04:16 AM
He's like a liberal RaiderJoe.
A GayderJoe, if you will.
Post by: Badger on July 12, 2017, 02:11:12 PM
He's like a liberal RaiderJoe.Hillary runs a 4.2 40.
Post by: sg3 on July 12, 2017, 03:11:28 PM
we need a hyperbole translator to apply to your posts.You need a brain transplant to apply to your pathetic life
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Post by: MBGreen on July 12, 2017, 03:34:50 PM
You need a brain transplant to apply to your pathetic life
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awwwww...there there little fella.
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2017, 04:04:36 PM
awwwww...there there little fella.
Shut it, Moron Butthole.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 12, 2017, 04:05:41 PM
Hillary runs a 4.2 40.
HAHAHAHA thats funny as excrement. I love when the board gets all meta.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 12, 2017, 04:14:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2017, 04:24:38 PM
Trump is Manningesque.
I mean, I suppose.....
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Chelsea_Manning_on_18_May_2017.jpg/220px-Chelsea_Manning_on_18_May_2017.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on July 12, 2017, 04:44:20 PM
I mean, I suppose.....
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Chelsea_Manning_on_18_May_2017.jpg/220px-Chelsea_Manning_on_18_May_2017.jpg)
Old Raiderjoe thread. "J Russell could be Manningesque"
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2017, 05:30:40 PM
Old Raiderjoe thread. "J Russell could be Manningesque"
Yes, I know. I was trying to make a funny.
Post by: Johnny English on July 13, 2017, 09:28:19 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/14/youre-in-such-good-shape-trump-criticised-for-creepy-comment-on-brigitte-macron
I wonder just how much less presidential, how much less statesmanlike, how much more classless, this administration can get. This is who you are, to the world. This is who the world thinks you are. And I know you're not.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 13, 2017, 10:00:28 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kasowitz-threatens-stranger_us_5967dfa4e4b0d6341fe7aaea
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/14/youre-in-such-good-shape-trump-criticised-for-creepy-comment-on-brigitte-macron
I wonder just how much less presidential, how much less statesmanlike, how much more classless, this administration can get. This is who you are, to the world. This is who the world thinks you are. And I know you're not.
Still plodding away with that shctick huh. God forbid I show up to a tailgate and you insist on calling me that to my face.
I will leave in a cop car. And you will have to suck cheese dust through a straw. Fair trade. And no I'm not freaking with you.
I’m Jewish. I presume you are too. Stop being afraid. Call me. Or give me your number and I will call you. I already know where you live, I’m on you. You might as well call me. You will see me. I promise. Bro.
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 13, 2017, 10:05:14 PM
you made a post about many being unbothered about what's going on in the white house, the point is it doesnt matter, whether we are bothered by it or not, we are powerless to change it because government in america is not decided for by the people, no matter how much they try to tell us the US is a representative democracy
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2017, 09:15:25 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/peter-smith-suicide-clinton-emails-russian-hackers-2017-7
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2017, 10:20:55 AM
Post by: Badger on July 14, 2017, 10:23:11 AM
This isn't suspicious at all.
http://www.businessinsider.com/peter-smith-suicide-clinton-emails-russian-hackers-2017-7
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Death records from Minnesota show that Smith, 81, died in a hotel of "asphyxiation due to displacement of oxygen in confined space with helium" on May 14. Smith was found with a note that said there was "NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER" regarding his death.
I'm surprised he didn't shoot himself in the back of the head twice.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 14, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
I'm surprised he didn't shoot himself in the back of the head twice.
Maybe he just really likes the way his voice sounds when it's high pitched and got a little out of control.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 14, 2017, 05:00:06 PM
and it is the reality that all decent, sane americans wake up to every day but nothing will change for now despite how wrong all of this is.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I'm sorry, but i thought I logged onto JO, not tumblr.
Post by: Fenwyr on July 15, 2017, 05:21:41 AM
If we were playing Clue, I would have won months ago, but I'm going with, everyone, in the office, with all the weapons.
Also love Kush going from 0, to 1, to 2, to 100+ on his forms. 3 counts of federal purgery right there. Zero fucks given.
Junior hires the Gambino attorney. Zero fucks given.
These fuckers don't have brains, but they have the biggest balls ever. They are straight up mafia.
Post by: Tommy on July 16, 2017, 10:25:40 PM
Can we all at least agree that Trump knew about the damn meeting at this point? 10 feet below his fat derriere, what was 4 has turned into 8 people in a meeting, and proven, without a doubt by emails, to be driven by the desire to get dirt on Hillary from the Russians.
If we were playing Clue, I would have won months ago, but I'm going with, everyone, in the office, with all the weapons.
Also love Kush going from 0, to 1, to 2, to 100+ on his forms. 3 counts of federal purgery right there. Zero fucks given.
Junior hires the Gambino attorney. Zero fucks given.
These fuckers don't have brains, but they have the biggest balls ever. They are straight up mafia.
I just don't see involving the Kremlin in your campaign. Zero good can come of that, even if they did have dirt on Hillary. Trump and his donors had the money to do that themselves, and the DNC sure as excrement were able to get a ton of dirt on Trump with their money. I just don't see it.
Post by: Fenwyr on July 17, 2017, 02:18:58 AM
I just don't see involving the Kremlin in your campaign. Zero good can come of that, even if they did have dirt on Hillary. Trump and his donors had the money to do that themselves, and the DNC sure as excrement were able to get a ton of dirt on Trump with their money. I just don't see it.What are you even trying to say?
Post by: ukilledkenny on July 17, 2017, 05:53:45 AM
What are you even trying to say?
But why?
With a lot more words.
Post by: sg3 on July 17, 2017, 08:01:29 AM
Everyone agrees with that but, unfortunately for America, that's what paranoid psychotics like Trump do
I don't think he is saying Trump and the GOP didn't get Russia into the act because that would be so far beyond reality that even Tommyanne wouldn't believe it.
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Post by: Fenwyr on July 17, 2017, 09:14:45 AM
But why?I was being serious though. Is he trying to say there was no reason for Trump to accept help from the Russians? There was something about the Russians having more dirt on Trump, so they could have helped Hillary. I was scratching my head saying 'no excrement' but he must have had another point...
With a lot more words.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 18, 2017, 11:52:59 AM
Post by: Badger on July 18, 2017, 02:09:05 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 18, 2017, 02:37:39 PM
So what will it take for actual conservatives to grow a spine and force a primary? Or will they just let themselves be cucked for another election cycle?
Plenty of conservatives want Paul Ryan thrown out on his derriere for Paul Nehlen, but short of moving to Wisconsin en mass, changing residency and voting for the man, there's little we can do besides raise awareness. Ryan, like many career politicians (Peter King being the biggest local example) has built a fiefdom in his district. I've been saying on here for a while that term limits are a necessity.
The only statistic I could find was a measurement that ended in 2012, however of the incumbent reps and senators that lost their seat via primary, 5 were republicans 2 were democrats. Though aside from Eric Cantor losing to Dave Brat in his respective primary, off the top of my head, I don't remember an incumbent losing their seat from an in-party challenge in the primaries since then.
Isn't this criticism also valid towards progressives? Cory Booker is in bed with big pharma and has repeatedly proven to be a special interest whore in his time in the senate. Couldn't I logically say about progressives that if they had any sort of spine, Jill Stein would've at the very least outperformed Gary Johnson?
Post by: Badger on July 18, 2017, 04:08:50 PM
Plenty of conservatives want Paul Ryan thrown out on his derriere for Paul Nehlen, but short of moving to Wisconsin en mass, changing residency and voting for the man, there's little we can do besides raise awareness. Ryan, like many career politicians (Peter King being the biggest local example) has built a fiefdom in his district. I've been saying on here for a while that term limits are a necessity.
The only statistic I could find was a measurement that ended in 2012, however of the incumbent reps and senators that lost their seat via primary, 5 were republicans 2 were democrats. Though aside from Eric Cantor losing to Dave Brat in his respective primary, off the top of my head, I don't remember an incumbent losing their seat from an in-party challenge in the primaries since then.
Isn't this criticism also valid towards progressives? Cory Booker is in bed with big pharma and has repeatedly proven to be a special interest whore in his time in the senate. Couldn't I logically say about progressives that if they had any sort of spine, Jill Stein would've at the very least outperformed Gary Johnson?
You could say that, knock yourself out. As long as you aim it at the ones who folded for Clinton.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 18, 2017, 09:32:14 PM
So what will it take for actual conservatives to grow a spine and force a primary? Or will they just let themselves be cucked for another election cycle?
We talking the RNC or DNC here?
Post by: Badger on July 19, 2017, 07:27:20 AM
We talking the RNC or DNC here?Well one group bent over for the candidate they least wanted and now they have to defend him for 4 years, and the other got exactly the candidate they wanted and lost.
Post by: Fenwyr on July 19, 2017, 12:19:00 PM
Remove individual mandates, remove employer mandates, cross state lines, leave states in charge of preexisting conditions, repeal burdomsome taxes on the rich.
Result? 70% lower premiums. Wut?
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2017, 11:29:58 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on July 22, 2017, 05:38:57 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 25, 2017, 12:27:44 PM
Still, he's going on vacation soon apparently. For 16 days.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 25, 2017, 12:51:14 PM
His speech to the Boy Scouts Jamboree yesterday was bizarre and creepy even by his standards.
Still, he's going on vacation soon apparently. For 16 days.
Maybe he'll do less damage on vacation? Maybe?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 25, 2017, 07:02:34 PM
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2017, 08:42:14 PM
Honestly, I expected him to do more damage in six months. Instead he's accomplished virtually nothing at all. Good job, Don. You deserve a break. Have fun in Moscow.
It's kind of funny if you think about it, by accomplishing nothing it's basically like a third term of Obama.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2017, 10:00:45 AM
Honestly, I expected him to do more damage in six months. Instead he's accomplished virtually nothing at all. Good job, Don. You deserve a break. Have fun in Moscow.
Damn so all the butthurt crying I see everyday is really just hyperbole?
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2017, 10:05:50 AM
Post by: Tommy on July 26, 2017, 10:24:36 AM
He announced via Twitter this morning that the US military will not allow transgender people to serve in any capacity (despite the fact that around 15,000 currently do). Apparently no one told the Pentagon about the impending change in policy though.
Though I don't care what people decide to do in their daily lives, when it starts to affect others (I.e. a boy using the girls just because he thinks he is one, etc.) When it comes to the defense of our country, I'd rather not have people who are that messed up in the head to carry weapons and providing cover fire for our other guys in combat.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 26, 2017, 10:36:06 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 26, 2017, 11:17:31 AM
Though I don't care what people decide to do in their daily lives, when it starts to affect others (I.e. a boy using the girls just because he thinks he is one, etc.) When it comes to the defense of our country, I'd rather not have people who are that messed up in the head to carry weapons and providing cover fire for our other guys in combat.
Those that are transgender don't believe they're "messed up in the head" at all. In fact, they actually feel more comfortable being themselves than they did before.
It's amazing that a draft dodger is telling men/women/however-they-identify that they're unworthy of putting their lives on the line to protect the freedom--and selfish interests--he gets to sit back and enjoy during his Twitter tantrums.
Trump is a freaking piece of excrement and unworthy of the title "human being", much less President.
All that said, there's no way this Twitter shitstorm wasn't meant to cover up something else. His M.O. is transparent at this point. Is it more Russian news? Another sneak-it-in healthcare vote? Something new altogether?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2017, 12:03:45 PM
Though I don't care what people decide to do in their daily lives, when it starts to affect others (I.e. a boy using the girls just because he thinks he is one, etc.) When it comes to the defense of our country, I'd rather not have people who are that messed up in the head to carry weapons and providing cover fire for our other guys in combat.
What exactly qualifies you to state that transgender people are "messed up in the head"?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 26, 2017, 12:07:37 PM
What exactly qualifies you to state that transgender people are "messed up in the head"?No one on this board has grabbed more upskirt dong than Tommy. He's a professional.
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2017, 12:27:32 PM
Though I don't care what people decide to do in their daily lives, when it starts to affect others (I.e. a boy using the girls just because he thinks he is one, etc.) When it comes to the defense of our country, I'd rather not have people who are that messed up in the head to carry weapons and providing cover fire for our other guys in combat.
Maybe instead of preaching from your ivory tower about what frontline service personnel should look like and think, you should ask one or two. I did, this was the response:
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.....when don't ask, don't tell lifted, it was almost a joke at that point because we (service members) already knew, who was gay, bi-, not Etc... "Ok, no more witch hunts, or concerns about being caught at a gay club or something..." But, when the Trans thing started to get pushed hard, it honestly was causing more issues than it should. Most of that, because the way it was begin presented was... Frankly being jammed down commanders throats. In the training community where I just left, we where spending "hours" and I mean hours... Discussing and dancing around how we where going to do this all PC wise... . Service instructors had to take additional "sensitivity" training beyond everyone else who was already having to take just because of matter was being pushed. Do I, and most service members care if you are Trans? No, I can careless as long as you can do your job, most of us feel that it should be like starship troopers, one shower/bathroom and remove the whole issue... But you add in all of the fall out from the academies and basic training in the last ten years, and now we can't even humor the idea... but the issue grows when non-military people, make military people, have an issue.... Of a non-issue. Do I think bringing back the ban is the right move? No... Cats already out of the bag, would had find another move. But, I can say, it was causing a ton of unwanted heart ache in the military, and can understand why the military would want to shelf the matter, but once more, personally I would not had re-band them
So, could it be handled better? Sounds like it. But you're way off beam with "they shouldn't be allowed to serve because they're mentally ill".
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2017, 03:02:12 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/kristin-beck-trump-transgender-ban-2017-7
Post by: MBGreen on July 26, 2017, 03:23:41 PM
Tommy, you should tell this lady that she was messed up in the head and not fit to carry weapons or provide cover fire for other soldiers.
http://www.businessinsider.com/kristin-beck-trump-transgender-ban-2017-7
You do realize that Tommy stopped giving a excrement about politics about a month ago, right?
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2017, 04:07:10 PM
You do realize that Tommy stopped giving a excrement about politics about a month ago, right?
I don't think Tommy ever really gave a excrement about politics.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 26, 2017, 04:10:19 PM
You do realize that Tommy stopped giving a excrement about politics about a month ago, right?
More likely he stopped caring to even listen to the other side. There's a lot of people like that now. Trump is building an army of supporters who refuse to even entertain the thought that maybe their fearless leader isn't the great force for change he presents himself to be.
If he truly didn't care, he wouldn't have posted what he did.
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2017, 04:17:47 PM
More likely he stopped caring to even listen to the other side. There's a lot of people like that now. Trump is building an army of supporters who refuse to even entertain the thought that maybe their fearless leader isn't the great force for change he presents himself to be.
If he truly didn't care, he wouldn't have posted what he did.
It's a pretty small army though. There are plenty of people whose view was "what the freak, maybe it'll work out" who are now realising just how appallingly bad it really is. Just look at the approval numbers.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2017, 06:36:00 PM
Tommy, you should tell this lady that she was messed up in the head and not fit to carry weapons or provide cover fire for other soldiers.
http://www.businessinsider.com/kristin-beck-trump-transgender-ban-2017-7
I've defended Trump many times. But he deserves to be called a complete freaking idiot here. The only way that he's not a total freaking idiot for this is if it's intended to be a distraction from Russia and healthcare blowing up in his face. In which case it's not a bad idea if it works out for him (as a distraction) although it goes back to reinforcing that the right is ignorant and hateful.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2017, 06:38:10 PM
What exactly qualifies you to state that transgender people are "messed up in the head"?
While I'm 100% against what Trump did and think he's a freaking idiot. I think it's reasonable for somebody to say that anybody who wants to have their penis cut off and turned into a vagina (or vice versa) is messed up in the head.
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2017, 06:48:17 PM
Though I don't care what people decide to do in their daily lives, when it starts to affect others (I.e. a boy using the girls just because he thinks he is one, etc.) When it comes to the defense of our country, I'd rather not have people who are that messed up in the head to carry weapons and providing cover fire for our other guys in combat.
Good thing our military is otherwise a paragon of excellent mental health.
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2017, 06:48:38 PM
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/26/steve-bannon-pushing-for-44-percent-marginal-tax-rate-on-the-very-rich/
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2017, 07:11:58 PM
What exactly qualifies you to state that transgender people are "messed up in the head"?
And at the same time somehow conclude that Trump is mentally fit.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2017, 07:12:47 PM
While I'm 100% against what Trump did and think he's a freaking idiot. I think
Should have stopped there.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 26, 2017, 07:18:24 PM
Should have stopped there.
Look I take a lot of stupid stances that are hard to defend. But if you wanna convince people that wanting to cut your dick off isn't messed up more power to you
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 26, 2017, 07:37:14 PM
Look I take a lot of stupid stances that are hard to defend. But if you wanna convince people that wanting to cut your dick off isn't messed up more power to you
Reducing a subject as complex as transgender psychology to simply wanting to inflict genital mutilation on oneself is disturbingly ignorant.
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 26, 2017, 09:17:17 PM
Reducing a subject as complex as transgender psychology to simply wanting to inflict genital mutilation on oneself is disturbingly ignorant.
you're talking to a guy who stands up for trump's stupid excrement all the time
he actually said making a distraction against russia/healthcare by casting out transgenders in public is a 'smart move', this is the logic you are facing
Post by: mj2sexay on July 26, 2017, 10:37:21 PM
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
Out of curiosity, have any of you served?
Paging sg3
Post by: Tommy on July 26, 2017, 11:59:47 PM
Those that are transgender don't believe they're "messed up in the head" at all. In fact, they actually feel more comfortable being themselves than they did before.
It's amazing that a draft dodger is telling men/women/however-they-identify that they're unworthy of putting their lives on the line to protect the freedom--and selfish interests--he gets to sit back and enjoy during his Twitter tantrums.
Trump is a freaking piece of excrement and unworthy of the title "human being", much less President.
All that said, there's no way this Twitter shitstorm wasn't meant to cover up something else. His M.O. is transparent at this point. Is it more Russian news? Another sneak-it-in healthcare vote? Something new altogether?
I don't particularly care about the politics of it, but gender is biological. So is age. So is a lot of things. If I walked around telling everyone I'm 90 years old because I identify as one, and then start demanding senior discounts, then you'd likely think I'm messed in the head and not want me licensed to carry a firearm, let alone have access to military grade weapons. Sorry, I'm socially liberal about a lot of things, but I will never be convinced that I should give a excrement about Transgendered people other than to offer them mental health.
Post by: Tommy on July 27, 2017, 12:05:01 AM
More likely he stopped caring to even listen to the other side. There's a lot of people like that now. Trump is building an army of supporters who refuse to even entertain the thought that maybe their fearless leader isn't the great force for change he presents himself to be.
If he truly didn't care, he wouldn't have posted what he did.
JE is right. I don't care about politics. I have my views and they can be changed if I'm convinced. I don't agree with any one person on everything. I wanted Trump to win not just because I liked the guy growing up and idolized him, but because his win was a giant freak you to the political system. And it also exposed how truly sensitive our society has become. At the end of the day as long as I have a job, a roof over my head, and get laid occasionally, I'm happy. I'm not concerned about much else anymore.
Post by: sg3 on July 27, 2017, 02:22:52 AM
Paging sg3Reporting for duty, SIR
I agree with Senator McCain on this. Anyone who wants to volunteer to serve this country in a time of combat in two (idiotic)wars and risk their lives deserves the full support of ALL Americans, especially the Five Time Draft Dodging Coward in Chief...none of whose crooked self serving family have ever served even a minute
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Post by: Tommy on July 27, 2017, 03:55:00 AM
I don't particularly care about the politics of it, but gender is biological. So is age. So is a lot of things. If I walked around telling everyone I'm 90 years old because I identify as one, and then start demanding senior discounts, then you'd likely think I'm messed in the head and not want me licensed to carry a firearm, let alone have access to military grade weapons. Sorry, I'm socially liberal about a lot of things, but I will never be convinced that I should give a excrement about Transgendered people other than to offer them mental health.
Of course I get a lead like below after making this post:
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Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2017, 05:53:50 AM
Out of curiosity, have any of you served?No, but I like Tostitos.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2017, 08:04:13 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2017, 09:32:38 AM
It's a pretty small army though. There are plenty of people whose view was "what the freak, maybe it'll work out" who are now realising just how appallingly bad it really is. Just look at the approval numbers.
I'm watching what's going on very closely. What I write about here is only "tip of the iceberg" excrement.
That army is a lot larger than most people realize. I tried to warn people before the election how bad it was, and no one listened then. I guarantee you if there were an election today Trump would win again.
Gerrymandering is getting worse. Too many people are relying on a hope that midterms will turn over the population of Congress. It won't. That's why guys like McConnell and Ryan keep doing whatever they want. They know there will be no consequences.
I've defended Trump many times. But he deserves to be called a complete freaking idiot here. The only way that he's not a total freaking idiot for this is if it's intended to be a distraction from Russia and healthcare blowing up in his face. In which case it's not a bad idea if it works out for him (as a distraction) although it goes back to reinforcing that the right is ignorant and hateful.
This is scary. Why don't people realize just how bad this is?
It's bad enough that politics are garbage, but distraction from what leadership is doing behind the scenes is dangerous to the public. I hate (and I hate using the word hate again) to use the term Nazi, but this is a tactic used by totalitarian organizations as they grab power. As a freedom loving nation, regardless of politics or feelings toward the media, this should concern every single one of us.
Look I take a lot of stupid stances that are hard to defend. But if you wanna convince people that wanting to cut your dick off isn't messed up more power to you
I don't particularly care about the politics of it, but gender is biological. So is age. So is a lot of things.
Homosexuality occurs in apes, mice, and dolphins.
Gender identity isn't a mental illness. Just because it's something you don't understand doesn't make it wrong. People once couldn't fathom the thought that the Earth revolves around the Sun, rather than the other way around.
If I walked around telling everyone I'm 90 years old because I identify as one, and then start demanding senior discounts, then you'd likely think I'm messed in the head and not want me licensed to carry a firearm, let alone have access to military grade weapons.
This isn't even remotely the same thing as gender identity.
FTR, I don't understand what it's like to have a fluid gender. I also don't feel like I need to. If someone who was born with a vagina feels more comfortable as a man, and wants to fire a gun at people who would like to see me dead, I'm all for them.
JE is right. I don't care about politics. I have my views and they can be changed if I'm convinced. I don't agree with any one person on everything. I wanted Trump to win not just because I liked the guy growing up and idolized him, but because his win was a giant freak you to the political system. And it also exposed how truly sensitive our society has become. At the end of the day as long as I have a job, a roof over my head, and get laid occasionally, I'm happy. I'm not concerned about much else anymore.
This is what I consider to be the problem.
There's a meme going around Twitter right now that directly addresses this. It says:
Quote
I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people.
Our disagreement is not merely political, but a fundamental divide on what it means to live in a society.
Comrade Bannon
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/26/steve-bannon-pushing-for-44-percent-marginal-tax-rate-on-the-very-rich/ (https://theintercept.com/2017/07/26/steve-bannon-pushing-for-44-percent-marginal-tax-rate-on-the-very-rich/)
I saw that this morning. I'm pretty shocked, actually. It'll never happen because there's no chance Trump is increasing his own taxes, but it is surprising that Bannon is even proposing this (if he actually is, and it's not yet another distraction tactic).
Out of curiosity, have any of you cut off your dicks?
We're all Jets fans. We symbolically do it every Sunday every Fall.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2017, 09:43:34 AM
I guarantee you if there were an election today Trump would win again.
I agree. Like him or not, he is smart in the way that he is focusing all of his attention on those swing states every time he goes out and speaks. It's been proven over and over again that there are only a handful of states that matter in our current election system. There is very little Trump could do to change the voting outcome of the majority of states. He'll never lose Alabama, he'll never win Connecticut. The only states that matter are swing states. Michigan, Ohio, Penn., Wisconsin. Guess where Trump spends the majority of his time and energy?
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2017, 09:46:33 AM
you're talking to a guy who stands up for trump's stupid excrement all the time
he actually said making a distraction against russia/healthcare by casting out transgenders in public is a 'smart move', this is the logic you are facing
Trumps been completely plagued by this Russia excrement, with the constant investigations and problems being right in the spotlight. This transgender thing is fucked up and wrong yes, but will completely distract and steal the headlines with national debate about it. The stupid freaking bathroom thing a while ago, how long was that the big issue for?
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2017, 09:47:54 AM
Out of curiosity, have any of you cut off your dicks?This is actually a pretty appropriate response to "Have you ever served?"
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2017, 09:51:29 AM
I'm watching what's going on very closely. What I write about here is only "tip of the iceberg" excrement.
That army is a lot larger than most people realize. I tried to warn people before the election how bad it was, and no one listened then. I guarantee you if there were an election today Trump would win again.
Gerrymandering is getting worse. Too many people are relying on a hope that midterms will turn over the population of Congress. It won't. That's why guys like McConnell and Ryan keep doing whatever they want. They know there will be no consequences.
This is scary. Why don't people realize just how bad this is?
It's bad enough that politics are garbage, but distraction from what leadership is doing behind the scenes is dangerous to the public. I hate (and I hate using the word hate again) to use the term Nazi, but this is a tactic used by totalitarian organizations as they grab power. As a freedom loving nation, regardless of politics or feelings toward the media, this should concern every single one of us.
Homosexuality occurs in apes, mice, and dolphins.
Gender identity isn't a mental illness. Just because it's something you don't understand doesn't make it wrong. People once couldn't fathom the thought that the Earth revolves around the Sun, rather than the other way around.
This isn't even remotely the same thing as gender identity.
FTR, I don't understand what it's like to have a fluid gender. I also don't feel like I need to. If someone who was born with a vagina feels more comfortable as a man, and wants to fire a gun at people who would like to see me dead, I'm all for them.
This is what I consider to be the problem.
There's a meme going around Twitter right now that directly addresses this. It says:
I saw that this morning. I'm pretty shocked, actually. It'll never happen because there's no chance Trump is increasing his own taxes, but it is surprising that Bannon is even proposing this (if he actually is, and it's not yet another distraction tactic).
We're all Jets fans. We symbolically do it every Sunday every Fall.
Gender identity is a mental illness. Gender is determined by your sexual organs/genitalia and is very much a biological thing, not by how you feel or what you think. Comparing a dude saying he's a chick to the sun and the moon is freaking absurd. You can prove the sun and moon and earth and how excrement rotates with science. Just like how you can prove a man is a man and a woman is a woman
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2017, 10:01:22 AM
Gender identity is a mental illness. Gender is determined by your sexual organs/genitalia and is very much a biological thing, not by how you feel or what you think. Comparing a dude saying he's a chick to the sun and the moon is freaking absurd. You can prove the sun and moon and earth and his shut rotates with science. Just like how you can prove a man is a man and a woman is a woman
I don't know what is wrong with someone who feels they are a woman trapped in a man's body or vice versa. I'm not one of them. Seems to me that if they are happier changing their junk to the opposite sex, then that is great. If they are miserable keeping their wiener when they want a beaver and physchotherapy or whatever else they are doing isn't helping, go for it. Of course there are people out there who are just as miserable after they get their new body part and regret it, but that is their decision and responsibility and they know they have to live with the results before they go through it. To my knowledge, you aren't allowed to just roll into a surgeon's office and schedule to have your lady bits hacked up and gear up with a shiny new megahog without going through an extensive medical and psychological process.
In my little brain, the ultimate goal in life is to be as happy as possible for as long as possible without interfering with everyone else's right to the same thing.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2017, 10:23:14 AM
Gender identity is a mental illness. Gender is determined by your sexual organs/genitalia and is very much a biological thing, not by how you feel or what you think. Comparing a dude saying he's a chick to the sun and the moon is freaking absurd. You can prove the sun and moon and earth and how excrement rotates with science. Just like how you can prove a man is a man and a woman is a woman
I compared a "a dude saying he's a chick" to homosexuality occurring in creatures that aren't human.
I compared not understanding gender fluidity or homosexuality to people not understanding that the Earth circles the Sun.
There's a vast difference, and I won't entertain purposeful misrepresentation of my point.
You attribute something you don't understand to it being "an illness" but you have zero verifiable evidence to do so. You can prove someone was born with a penis, however, you can't prove in any measurable way that the person doesn't truly believe themselves to be a woman.
I admit that I used to be a homophobe. I thought there had to be something wrong with someone who didn't like the opposite sex, because I couldn't understand it in any way. Then about a decade and half ago a friend asked me "Do you choose to be straight?" I answered "Of course not." And she replied "Then why do you think someone who is gay makes a choice to be?"
I had no answer, and that was the moment in my life when my entire mentality changed.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2017, 10:24:10 AM
In my little brain, the ultimate goal in life is to be as happy as possible for as long as possible without interfering with everyone else's right to the same thing.
This. God damnit this.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 27, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
In my little brain, the ultimate goal in life is to be as happy as possible for as long as possible without interfering with everyone else's right to the same thing.
Basically the Objectivist's mindset.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2017, 10:35:45 AM
I compared a "a dude saying he's a chick" to homosexuality occurring in creatures that aren't human.
I compared not understanding gender fluidity or homosexuality to people not understanding that the Earth circles the Sun.
There's a vast difference, and I won't entertain purposeful misrepresentation of my point.
You attribute something you don't understand to it being "an illness" but you have zero verifiable evidence to do so. You can prove someone was born with a penis, however, you can't prove in any measurable way that the person doesn't truly believe themselves to be a woman.
I admit that I used to be a homophobe. I thought there had to be something wrong with someone who didn't like the opposite sex, because I couldn't understand it in any way. Then about a decade and half ago a friend asked me "Do you choose to be straight?" I answered "Of course not." And she replied "Then why do you think someone who is gay makes a choice to be?"
I had no answer, and that was the moment in my life when my entire mentality changed.
I don't disagree that I can't disprove that a man thinks he's a woman. But he is a man. And if a man, thinks he's a woman despite the fact that he's actually a man that's a mental illness. If a person tells you they think they're a turtle and truly genuinely believe is that ok? Thinking something that isn't reality is a delusion
Post by: Miamipuck on July 27, 2017, 10:40:56 AM
Out of curiosity, have any of you served?
Does it count if I was served?
Post by: Miamipuck on July 27, 2017, 10:44:18 AM
In my little brain, the ultimate goal in life is to be as happy as possible for as long as possible without interfering with everyone else's right to the same thing.
freak you and your little pea brain, you're a player of the pink oboe and lover of the older lady, I hope you choke on a rooster so you can die with your stupid dumbass bundle of sticks queynte smile on your face.
tldr: I agree with the quoted even if that poster likes mens appendages in his mouth.
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2017, 11:02:08 AM
If you can't process that then you won't be able to understand it at all.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2017, 11:46:39 AM
“She really believes that’s why she lost, and she wants to explain why in no uncertain terms,” one longtime ally said. “She wants the whole story out there from her own perspective. I think a lot of people are going to be really surprised by how much she reveals."
The ally said the book of personal essays will be a “bombshell.”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2017, 11:50:35 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2017, 11:58:36 AM
freak you and your little pea brain, you're a player of the pink oboe and lover of the older lady, I hope you choke on a rooster so you can die with your stupid dumbass bundle of sticks queynte smile on your face.Someone isn't happy with their lady bits.....
tldr: I agree with the quoted even if that poster likes mens appendages in his mouth.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2017, 12:21:24 PM
I don't disagree that I can't disprove that a man thinks he's a woman. But he is a man. And if a man, thinks he's a woman despite the fact that he's actually a man that's a mental illness. If a person tells you they think they're a turtle and truly genuinely believe is that ok? Thinking something that isn't reality is a delusion
Again, I don't pretend to know why someone born a man would truly believe they are a woman, to the point where they'd have their dick removed, but I'm not going to say it's a mental illness that makes them feel that way.
A turtle is a completely different species of animal. And really, if I wanted to get into that kind of argument, there are many documented cases of animals that are natural predators that take in what would otherwise be their prey and raise them. Is that mental illness?
“That’s not the way our democracy works. We’ve been around 240 years. We’ve had free and fair elections and we’ve accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election."
I'm morbidly curious what she has to say in the book, but at the same time, the petty bullshit needs to end.
Trump stole the election, fair and square.
Post by: Tommy on July 27, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
Again, I don't pretend to know why someone born a man would truly believe they are a woman, to the point where they'd have their dick removed, but I'm not going to say it's a mental illness that makes them feel that way.
A turtle is a completely different species of animal. And really, if I wanted to get into that kind of argument, there are many documented cases of animals that are natural predators that take in what would otherwise be their prey and raise them. Is that mental illness?
I'm morbidly curious what she has to say in the book, but at the same time, the petty bullshit needs to end.
Trump stole the election, fair and square.
I don't understand why you're so quick to judge people to think it's weird to identify as a completely different biological gender. It's not about being tolerant, it's about recognizing a mental issue. If your mind and your biological makeup are not on the same page, how is that not a mental issue? I'm not saying they're cooks or using anything derogatory, I'm just recognizing that there's obviously something wrong up there. I didn't mean to imply that they're somehow more dangerous as a result (what I said before about those types having access to military weapons was more or less in jest), but we have to stop with this PC nonsense of thinking that everything is okay. There are many grown adults who are attracted to children, which we all are in agreement that it's a mental issue. Many people don't act on those feelings, but some do. It's obviously not the same in terms of societal damage, but clearly, there's something wrong there.
And that's just a matter of sexual preference, not even biological. I made the example of me being 36 but identifying as a 90-year-old man. You said it's not even remotely the same. Why not? Biologically I'm 36 years old, but in my mind, I feel as if I'm an old man, and because I'm more comfortable as an old man than a 30-something male, how is that any different than someone clearly born a woman but feels more comfortable as a man? Why are we so afraid to label certain things as mental illnesses? Why are we defending certain behavior as "normal" when they clearly aren't? Are we so afraid of being labeled as intolerant that we can't see things for the way that they are, and to go out of our way playing mental gymnastics to try and justify these things?
This isn't about a man being born attracted to other men, or being attracted to fat women, or has a foot fetish, etc. This is biological. Same with ethnicity. I was born with White Eastern European genes. Though it's my right to do so, if I go ahead and change my name to Hiroki Nakamura and say that I'm more comfortable identifying as a Japanese person, you wouldn't think that's a mental issue? Like something MAY be wrong up there?
Let's cut the bullshit and treat this transgender issue for what it really is: a mental disorder. No one looks at someone who's a manic depressive or who has schizophrenia as someone who has chosen that lifestyle and doesn't need help. No, we identify those as mental illnesses and treat them as such.
Should we allow openly transgendered people in the military? That's open for debate, and it should be. Should we allow transgendered people to use the bathroom/changing room of the gender that they "identify with" rather than the gender that they were "born with"? That's open for debate. It should all be open for debate. But we should do so honestly, and not attack those who disagree as intolerant.
Post by: Tommy on July 27, 2017, 12:52:31 PM
This. God damnit this.
Allowing people to do things that make them happy as long as they aren't harming other people may sound good in theory, but I don't think it's very beneficial for society as a whole. Certain things should be considered taboo.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2017, 01:08:00 PM
I don't understand why you're so quick to judge people to think it's weird to identify as a completely different biological gender. It's not about being tolerant, it's about recognizing a mental issue. If your mind and your biological makeup are not on the same page, how is that not a mental issue?
Maybe it is. I don't know. I don't even pretend to know. The difference is, making definitive statements that it is a mental disorder, like you or DCM, is a definitive statement.
And that's just a matter of sexual preference, not even biological. I made the example of me being 36 but identifying as a 90-year-old man. You said it's not even remotely the same. Why not?
You can certainly identify as an old man. Saying someone "has an old soul" has long been an idiom. You can't apply for social security because you're not 90, but there's nothing stopping you from feeling 90. Trans people aren't asking for anything here except to be allowed to die your freedom.
Should we allow openly transgendered people in the military? That's open for debate, and it should be.
No. It should not. They've already been openly serving and were covertly doing so before that. What has suddenly changed that makes them now somehow unable to do so?
But we should do so honestly, and not attack those who disagree as intolerant.
So don't call out people who act intolerantly as intolerant. Seems fair.
Allowing people to do things that make them happy as long as they aren't harming other people may sound good in theory, but I don't think it's very beneficial for society as a whole. Certain things should be considered taboo.
Such as?
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2017, 03:19:27 PM
Maybe it is. I don't know. I don't even pretend to know. The difference is, making definitive statements that it is a mental disorder, like you or DCM, is a definitive statement.
You can certainly identify as an old man. Saying someone "has an old soul" has long been an idiom. You can't apply for social security because you're not 90, but there's nothing stopping you from feeling 90. Trans people aren't asking for anything here except to be allowed to die your freedom.
No. It should not. They've already been openly serving and were covertly doing so before that. What has suddenly changed that makes them now somehow unable to do so?
So don't call out people who act intolerantly as intolerant. Seems fair.
Such as?
Look transgendered people shouldn't be discriminated on and should be allowed in the military. The bathroom thing is reasonable to debate simply because it's a discussion about making the rules (after all bathrooms already are seperated by gender, now it's a discussion of biological or desirable etc).
But I don't think calling it a mental illness is being intolerant, because it really is a freaking mental illness. God damn anxiety is a mental illness you're gonna tell me thinking you're a different sex isn't
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 27, 2017, 03:46:52 PM
Look transgendered people shouldn't be discriminated on and should be allowed in the military. The bathroom thing is reasonable to debate simply because it's a discussion about making the rules (after all bathrooms already are seperated by gender, now it's a discussion of biological or desirable etc).
But I don't think calling it a mental illness is being intolerant, because it really is a freaking mental illness. God damn anxiety is a mental illness you're gonna tell me thinking you're a different sex isn't
Anxiety can be treated with medication.
Where are the credible studies showing medication/therapy "cured" gender fluidity?
Calling it a mental illness implies that it's a treatable condition, and for those who are gender fluid--they don't believe it to be a condition at all, simply who they are.
Let's be honest here. You and Tommy aren't being bigots and are trying to have a reasonable conversation on the topic. That's not the same position as the majority who have a problem with transgender people. It generally comes from a very bigoted view. And this entire current situation is a play by Trump to capitalize on those he knows will feed into it.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2017, 03:51:21 PM
Anxiety can be treated with medication.
Where are the credible studies showing medication/therapy "cured" gender fluidity?
Calling it a mental illness implies that it's a treatable condition, and for those who are gender fluid--they don't believe it to be a condition at all, simply who they are.
Let's be honest here. You and Tommy aren't being bigots and are trying to have a reasonable conversation on the topic. That's not the same position as the majority who have a problem with transgender people. It generally comes from a very bigoted view. And this entire current situation is a play by Trump to capitalize on those he knows will feed into it.
not all disease or illness can be cured and some have to be managed. And I'm willing to bet the right kind of therapy would help with it (how it would help I have no freaking idea, nor do I suggest that convincing them they're wrong is the solution either)
Is it weird sure, but it doesn't effect my life so I don't give a excrement and don't really feel like arguing the semantics of this too much
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2017, 03:57:03 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria
It really is a disease, it has its own ICD-10 codes and DSM-5 criteria. Though it does specificy that it's not the gender nonconformity itself that makes it a disease, but the distress with the identity of one's birth gender
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2017, 06:16:31 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/343755-clinton-book-to-double-down-on-russia-comey-message
“She really believes that’s why she lost, and she wants to explain why in no uncertain terms,” one longtime ally said. “She wants the whole story out there from her own perspective. I think a lot of people are going to be really surprised by how much she reveals."
The ally said the book of personal essays will be a “bombshell.”
Thanks I'll pass.
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2017, 06:16:53 PM
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2017, 06:20:20 PM
But I did Googled it because I was curious
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria
It really is a disease, it has its own ICD-10 codes and DSM-5 criteria. Though it does specificy that it's not the gender nonconformity itself that makes it a disease, but the distress with the identity of one's birth gender
Homosexuality was in the DSM until 1973.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2017, 06:23:25 PM
Homosexuality was in the DSM until 1973.
Yes and people used to own slaves. However it's not the dark ages anymore
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2017, 06:29:45 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 27, 2017, 07:28:59 PM
you guys couldn't be more wrong about reducing the issue as something that is 'simple', that is 'concrete', that is 'biology'. the fact that you guys have even used the term biology in an attempt to describe gender as something that is black-and-white shows that you don't even understand what the term biology means, when it is a complex, multifaceted term.
we don't know what most of the human genome codes for. there are things in our genetic makeup that may affect every single aspect of our lives and we don't even know it yet. could these things in our DNA affect how we see, feel, and interact with the world, irrespective of what sexual organs we have on the outside? does that make that a mental illness when it is something that has occurred naturally, and is out of an individual's power? i will save you guys the freaking trouble and tell you that the answer to that last question is no
do you guys realize that there are cases of people who are born with an XY genome (in other words, a 'man's' genome) and still develop female organs and genitalia phenotypically/physically, and vice versa, that an XX genome can develop male genitalia physically? and that there is nothing that those individuals could do to change, choose, or stop that, that it was an inherent, innate result of our dna machinery and our gene/protein/developmental hormonal expression? so a person with one set of genitalia on the outside can have the corresponding opposite sex's genetic makeup on the inside? do you think this can affect the way they identify themselves and interact with the world, irrespective of the junk they possess?
this is really just the tip of the iceberg, i don't have the time to delve into this topic further nor the energy to suffer through the ignorance you both possess on this subject
there is so much to this topic that you guys are just not aware about, and it's especially worse for dcm to posit such simple, wrong positions when he is apparently a member of the healthcare field
you both should just stop talking about this topic and accumulate your losses elsewhere
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2017, 08:49:08 PM
Yes and people used to own slaves. However it's not the dark ages anymore
You act like it is.
Post by: reuben on July 27, 2017, 09:14:34 PM
Yes and people used to own slaves. However it's not the dark ages anymore
Psychiatry and psychology are infant sciences and the DSM has more changes from edition to edition than a high school yearbook. A lot of mental healthcare providers think it's useless bullshit and about as apolitical as the Oscars.
Post by: Tommy on July 28, 2017, 02:08:58 AM
Tommy and DCM are completely wrong on this gender/sex issue, and they dig themselves deeper with every post. i cannot believe some of the excrement i've read the last few pages
you guys couldn't be more wrong about reducing the issue as something that is 'simple', that is 'concrete', that is 'biology'. the fact that you guys have even used the term biology in an attempt to describe gender as something that is black-and-white shows that you don't even understand what the term biology means, when it is a complex, multifaceted term.
we don't know what most of the human genome codes for. there are things in our genetic makeup that may affect every single aspect of our lives and we don't even know it yet. could these things in our DNA affect how we see, feel, and interact with the world, irrespective of what sexual organs we have on the outside? does that make that a mental illness when it is something that has occurred naturally, and is out of an individual's power? i will save you guys the freaking trouble and tell you that the answer to that last question is no
do you guys realize that there are cases of people who are born with an XY genome (in other words, a 'man's' genome) and still develop female organs and genitalia phenotypically/physically, and vice versa, that an XX genome can develop male genitalia physically? and that there is nothing that those individuals could do to change, choose, or stop that, that it was an inherent, innate result of our dna machinery and our gene/protein/developmental hormonal expression? so a person with one set of genitalia on the outside can have the corresponding opposite sex's genetic makeup on the inside? do you think this can affect the way they identify themselves and interact with the world, irrespective of the junk they possess?
this is really just the tip of the iceberg, i don't have the time to delve into this topic further nor the energy to suffer through the ignorance you both possess on this subject
there is so much to this topic that you guys are just not aware about, and it's especially worse for dcm to posit such simple, wrong positions when he is apparently a member of the healthcare field
you both should just stop talking about this topic and accumulate your losses elsewhere
K
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2017, 09:49:51 AM
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a56679/the-mooch-steve-bannon-suck-own-rooster/
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 28, 2017, 09:55:25 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 28, 2017, 10:04:23 AM
The ship is taking on water.
Post by: Fenwyr on July 28, 2017, 10:10:28 AM
Lindsey Graham said there will be "holy hell to pay" if Trump fires Sessions. It looks like the Senate won't stand idle if he fires Mueller either.Lindsay Graham, while I have been appreciating his words lately, has proven to be all bark, no bite.
The ship is taking on water.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 28, 2017, 10:25:59 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 28, 2017, 10:30:56 AM
Lindsay Graham, while I have been appreciating his words lately, has proven to be all bark, no bite.
That may be true, but it's starting to look like Congress as a whole is tiring of Trump's antics. That sanctions bill was a pretty big STFU to the White House. And a number of Senators have already come out in strong support of Sessions. Trump's playing a really risky game by continuing to attack him.
Post by: sg3 on July 28, 2017, 10:56:55 AM
You're up next SNL
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2017, 10:58:13 AM
Mario Cantone did a YUUUUGE job as Mooch on the President Show on Comedy Central.
You're up next SNL
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Now I know where you get your "jokes" from.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 28, 2017, 11:15:50 AM
Tommy and DCM are completely wrong on this gender/sex issue, and they dig themselves deeper with every post. i cannot believe some of the excrement i've read the last few pages
you guys couldn't be more wrong about reducing the issue as something that is 'simple', that is 'concrete', that is 'biology'. the fact that you guys have even used the term biology in an attempt to describe gender as something that is black-and-white shows that you don't even understand what the term biology means, when it is a complex, multifaceted term.
we don't know what most of the human genome codes for. there are things in our genetic makeup that may affect every single aspect of our lives and we don't even know it yet. could these things in our DNA affect how we see, feel, and interact with the world, irrespective of what sexual organs we have on the outside? does that make that a mental illness when it is something that has occurred naturally, and is out of an individual's power? i will save you guys the freaking trouble and tell you that the answer to that last question is no
do you guys realize that there are cases of people who are born with an XY genome (in other words, a 'man's' genome) and still develop female organs and genitalia phenotypically/physically, and vice versa, that an XX genome can develop male genitalia physically? and that there is nothing that those individuals could do to change, choose, or stop that, that it was an inherent, innate result of our dna machinery and our gene/protein/developmental hormonal expression? so a person with one set of genitalia on the outside can have the corresponding opposite sex's genetic makeup on the inside? do you think this can affect the way they identify themselves and interact with the world, irrespective of the junk they possess?
this is really just the tip of the iceberg, i don't have the time to delve into this topic further nor the energy to suffer through the ignorance you both possess on this subject
there is so much to this topic that you guys are just not aware about, and it's especially worse for dcm to posit such simple, wrong positions when he is apparently a member of the healthcare field
you both should just stop talking about this topic and accumulate your losses elsewhere
Hahahahahahhaah.
2 scoops.
2 terms.
2 genders.
And I merely asked whether anyone here had served because I believe the military more then any occupation is unique in that you don't know the ethos and spirit of it unless you've been in it. Many veterans have come out opposed to the ban, however at least from my perspective the overwhelming sentiment seems to be for it. And honestly, I go with the opinion of our servicemembers and veterans on this subject over those who haven't served (including myself) a million times over.
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2017, 12:43:18 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 28, 2017, 01:20:27 PM
Hahahahahahhaah.
2 scoops.
2 terms.
2 genders.
And I merely asked whether anyone here had served because I believe the military more then any occupation is unique in that you don't know the ethos and spirit of it unless you've been in it. Many veterans have come out opposed to the ban, however at least from my perspective the overwhelming sentiment seems to be for it. And honestly, I go with the opinion of our servicemembers and veterans on this subject over those who haven't served (including myself) a million times over.
Yeah, seriously.
I mean, they were right on the mark when they didn't want to serve with blacks. Or women. Right?
Post by: Italian Seafood on July 28, 2017, 02:59:29 PM
Scaramucci is a gift from God for SNL.
This is what I've been waiting for since Trump entered the campaign.
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2017, 03:57:16 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 28, 2017, 04:10:54 PM
Priebus is gone.
(https://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/The-Mooch.jpg)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 28, 2017, 05:25:51 PM
Post by: reuben on July 28, 2017, 07:05:50 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 28, 2017, 07:06:38 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 28, 2017, 07:29:04 PM
Post by: IATA on July 28, 2017, 09:11:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 28, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
i wonder if the leaks continue or stop. im betting they continue
You mean like the leaks that are actually just journalists looking up public information?
Post by: sg3 on July 29, 2017, 06:49:34 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 29, 2017, 06:53:01 AM
Self deleted
Delete your account.
Post by: Miamipuck on July 29, 2017, 08:44:20 AM
Thoughts and prayers are with all of you in Long Island at this tough time.
I don't have too much time to post but MS-13 is looking for me. I just wanted to let you guys know I am safe, I will get back to you all in the next few days when I reach the safe house. tata for now............
Post by: sg3 on July 29, 2017, 12:39:52 PM
Delete your account.Delete your life
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Post by: Fenwyr on July 29, 2017, 12:47:30 PM
That may be true, but it's starting to look like Congress as a whole is tiring of Trump's antics. That sanctions bill was a pretty big STFU to the White House. And a number of Senators have already come out in strong support of Sessions. Trump's playing a really risky game by continuing to attack him.Doesn't change the fact that Graham will say all the right things, then turn around and vote aye with the lemmings.
Trust me, I want to see the most obviously closeted republican in history do the right thing with his vote, but wake me up when it happens.
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2017, 07:06:06 PM
Thoughts and prayers are with all of you in Long Island at this tough time.
I didn't know what this was in reference to so I fled to the Adirondacks just to be safe. Let me know when it's OK to return.
Post by: Johnny English on July 29, 2017, 07:14:27 PM
I didn't know what this was in reference to so I fled to the Adirondacks just to be safe. Let me know when it's OK to return.Trump said that Long Island is currently "under siege" by MS-13.
Post by: sg3 on July 30, 2017, 12:07:06 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 31, 2017, 01:43:39 PM
This is fine
Post by: Johnny English on July 31, 2017, 02:03:18 PM
Breaking News: President Trump has decided to remove Anthony Scaramucci from his position as communications director
This is fine
Apparently he made statements in the last few days about how he reports to the President, not the Chief of Staff. Kelly decided to demonstrate otherwise.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 31, 2017, 02:32:46 PM
The White House is a three ring circus.
Post by: Johnny English on July 31, 2017, 02:39:17 PM
So will Spicer now stay on?
The White House is a three ring circus.
Spicer's already gone, I think. Doubt he wants to come back - I was reading something the other day about how he has been a career staffer with little obvious ambition who was well liked by his colleagues and the WH press corps prior to being thrust into the role of Head Propagandist, so I'd imagine that now he's out the last thing he wants to do is step back into that shambles.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 31, 2017, 02:47:43 PM
Spicer's already gone, I think. Doubt he wants to come back - I was reading something the other day about how he has been a career staffer with little obvious ambition who was well liked by his colleagues and the WH press corps prior to being thrust into the role of Head Propagandist, so I'd imagine that now he's out the last thing he wants to do is step back into that shambles.
He's definitely still there. He "resigned" the day Mooch came in, but the next day said he'd stay on for a while during the transition. I think--but don't quote me--he was staying on until the end of the month, which means he'd still be there right now.
I think he was pretty adamant that he was only leaving because of Scaramucci too, and that he liked working for the administration otherwise.
With Huckabee as the press secretary now, I wouldn't be surprised if they just had him take Mooch's more senior position.
Post by: sg3 on July 31, 2017, 05:06:00 PM
Answer was
"See you fellas" followed by walking away
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Post by: bojanglesman on July 31, 2017, 05:22:22 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on July 31, 2017, 08:09:50 PM
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/31/my-party-is-in-denial-about-donald-trump-215442
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2017, 08:38:17 PM
Breaking News: President Trump has decided to remove Anthony Scaramucci from his position as communications director
This is fine
His only regret was that he had boneitis.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 31, 2017, 09:14:53 PM
Apparently he made statements in the last few days about how he reports to the President, not the Chief of Staff. Kelly decided to demonstrate otherwise.
You really have to appreciate the irony there. Scaramucci's efforts to get Priebus fired ultimately resulted in his own firing at the hands of Priebus's replacement.
Post by: reuben on July 31, 2017, 10:35:19 PM
Post by: sg3 on August 01, 2017, 02:46:52 AM
Senator Jeff Flake (R-Arizona):And yet, despite such "talk" from the likes of Flake, Graham, little Marco, Heller, Capito, Toomey and a few other ball less wonders in the Senate, only Murkowski, Collins and McCain have had the courage and fortitude to stand up against the Orange Monster when it counted
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/31/my-party-is-in-denial-about-donald-trump-215442
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Post by: AlioTheFool on August 01, 2017, 10:20:13 AM
And yet, despite such "talk" from the likes of Flake, Graham, little Marco, Heller, Capito, Toomey and a few other ball less wonders in the Senate, only Murkowski, Collins and McCain have had the courage and fortitude to stand up against the Orange Monster when it counted
Agreed. There's a lot of "big talk" coming out of Congress, and very little action. The fact is, the President is trying to treat the government like his own privately-held business. I get the appeal of that to some people, and when done like Mike Bloomberg did with NYC I even agree. But the Trump administration is a completely different animal.
Case in point:
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Trump dictated son’s misleading statement on meeting with Russian lawyer (http://bit.ly/2u0OvQF)
On a lighter note, the White House is filled to capacity with dopes:
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White House Officials Were Duped by an 'Email Prankster,' Report Says (http://time.com/4881849/white-house-email-prank/)
Post by: Johnny English on August 02, 2017, 09:48:44 AM
Post by: Tommy on August 02, 2017, 01:41:59 PM
Agreed. There's a lot of "big talk" coming out of Congress, and very little action. The fact is, the President is trying to treat the government like his own privately-held business. I get the appeal of that to some people, and when done like Mike Bloomberg did with NYC I even agree. But the Trump administration is a completely different animal.
Case in point:
On a lighter note, the White House is filled to capacity with dopes:
I think that's what's frustrated a lot of Trump voters, and Obama voters in 2008 to a certain extent. Both promised changes in the way the government functions, but voters realized it's the same old song and dance. Many though Trump can just waltz in and treat the government like his own business, which just can't be done no matter how hard he tries. Obama voters were holding out for the "hope and change" and transparency in government which didn't happen either. I guess it's a good thing that the government is structured in a way that no one person can make significant changes.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 02, 2017, 08:58:56 PM
I think that's what's frustrated a lot of Trump voters, and Obama voters in 2008 to a certain extent. Both promised changes in the way the government functions, but voters realized it's the same old song and dance. Many though Trump can just waltz in and treat the government like his own business, which just can't be done no matter how hard he tries. Obama voters were holding out for the "hope and change" and transparency in government which didn't happen either. I guess it's a good thing that the government is structured in a way that no one person can make significant changes.
Honestly Trump could have made much bigger changes but he chose to do two stupid things.
First he decided to remain with the establishment republican views, for example Mike Pence. Pence is the poster child for the right, and Trump decided to bring him and people just like him to fill his administration. If he wanted to change things he would bring in new people and outside trains of thought, instead of the same old stupid excrement.
The other big thing is he absolutely freaking braindead when it comes to playing politics. He doesnt know how to play the game, and seeimgingly hasnt tried. He just does what he wants, pisses people off, looks like an idiot, and doesnt build support for his ideas.
Is it hard to change things, sure. But its even harder when you don't try to do it the right way, and Trump hasnt (neither did Obama or Bush, or Clinton). They all just kept with business and usual and did exactly what you would expect them to for the most part
Post by: Badger on August 03, 2017, 08:13:30 PM
Edit: sorry, paywall. I'll find another link.
Edit edit: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-03/mueller-is-said-to-impanel-grand-jury-in-russia-probe-wsj-says
Post by: sg3 on August 05, 2017, 04:12:48 AM
Rump's brilliant appearances before the BSA, the Police in LI and his brain dead trailer trash in WV got him so exhausted that it's off to Bedminster for 17 days of uninterrupted golfing, tweeting and watching Faux and Friends on TV.
He needs the rest to get ready for the upcoming criminal trials for child rape, sex trafficking, collusion and treason
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Post by: AlioTheFool on August 08, 2017, 10:49:22 AM
Also, his own commission--despite every effort to suppress it and change its findings--leaked a study determining unquestionably the effect of man-made factors in climate change.
How anyone still supports this administration is a complete mystery to me.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 08, 2017, 03:46:57 PM
The President now has his own propaganda production.
Also, his own commission--despite every effort to suppress it and change its findings--leaked a study determining unquestionably the effect of man-made factors in climate change.
How anyone still supports this administration is a complete mystery to me.
I don't think it's so much support as the alternative is almost as distasteful. The Democrats are an unlikable dysfunctional mess.
If ever there was to be a 3rd party to take the ball and run it's now. I have never ever seen a shittier political landscape in this country than what we see now. Trump is a complete disaster and even though he's by far the worst politician we have ever seen, he still retains 35% +/- approval ratings.
In actuality his approval should be less than 10% and the Dems riding a popularity wave, but that's not happening because they suck fat balls too.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 08, 2017, 04:10:02 PM
I don't think it's so much support as the alternative is almost as distasteful. The Democrats are an unlikable dysfunctional mess.
If ever there was to be a 3rd party to take the ball and run it's now. I have never ever seen a shittier political landscape in this country than what we see now. Trump is a complete disaster and even though he's by far the worst politician we have ever seen, he still retains 35% +/- approval ratings.
In actuality is approval should be less that 10% and the Dems riding a popularity wave, but that's not happening because they suck fat balls too.
You're not going to get an argument from me. The Democrats have been given a beer-league softball pitch and couldn't hit it if you gave them a cricket paddle.
One thing the GOP seemingly always does right is stay on message. They have a bullet list of items that they never waver from. The Democrats flip flop on everything and look like either stooges to the establishment, or weak-spined cowards.
I'd love to know which strategist recently floated the idea that the Democrats would be okay with anti-abortion candidates in order to win over red states. And who in the room didn't respond with "Are you a freaking idiot?!"
I don't think a third party would solve anything. It's not like multiple parties in other democracies don't have problems too. The money in politics is where the root of the problem is. I'm not sure what the answer is though. Term limits are something we really need to take a look at. Career politicians are swimming in special interest cash.
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2017, 04:31:07 PM
I don't think it's so much support as the alternative is almost as distasteful. The Democrats are an unlikable dysfunctional mess.
I can only speak for myself but Trump has lowered the bar so much that I'd vote for literally any Democrat if the next election were tomorrow. And this is coming from someone who didn't vote for a Democrat or Republican pres candidate in the last 3 elections.
I might even vote to reelect Bill de Blasio as mayor and I voted for Joe Lhota last time.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 08, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on August 09, 2017, 03:00:44 AM
You're not going to get an argument from me. The Democrats have been given a beer-league softball pitch and couldn't hit it if you gave them a cricket paddle.I just want liberal minded folks that are running for office to stop talking about guns and abortion. Feet to the fire, state your position, but move on quickly.
One thing the GOP seemingly always does right is stay on message. They have a bullet list of items that they never waver from. The Democrats flip flop on everything and look like either stooges to the establishment, or weak-spined cowards.
I'd love to know which strategist recently floated the idea that the Democrats would be okay with anti-abortion candidates in order to win over red states. And who in the room didn't respond with "Are you a freaking idiot?!"
I don't think a third party would solve anything. It's not like multiple parties in other democracies don't have problems too. The money in politics is where the root of the problem is. I'm not sure what the answer is though. Term limits are something we really need to take a look at. Career politicians are swimming in special interest cash.
How those 2 things, regardless of how important you think they are, have landed us here... it's insane.
Post by: Johnny English on August 09, 2017, 10:50:48 AM
Later that day Trump tweeted asking why Sessions hadn't fired the Acting Director of the FBI for colluding with the Clinton campaign.
I'm sure these things are a complete coincidence.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 09, 2017, 01:43:48 PM
I can only speak for myself but Trump has lowered the bar so much that I'd vote for literally any Democrat if the next election were tomorrow. And this is coming from someone who didn't vote for a Democrat or Republican pres candidate in the last 3 elections.
I might even vote to reelect Bill de Blasio as mayor and I voted for Joe Lhota last time.
I generally vote Democrat, but I voted for Lhota as well (I voted for Bloomberg twice also). I'll likely vote for whoever opposes de Blasio again. I can't stand him. He flatly doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything that isn't his own pet project. I will give due credit to him for closing schools during the winter storms, even when it wasn't a popular decision, but that's about it.
I just want liberal minded folks that are running for office to stop talking about guns and abortion. Feet to the fire, state your position, but move on quickly.
How those 2 things, regardless of how important you think they are, have landed us here... it's insane.
People don't vote their own self-interests, they vote their ideology. That's how we got here.
Dems are trying to appeal to Republicans' ideologies, and conservatives are saying "Uh, go freak yourselves" and the liberals are like "AYFKM?! You're turning your backs on us?!"
I've personally never seen as ill-advised a political move as the Democrats saying they'd accept pro-life candidates under the Dem banner. They basically told their entire base to GFY, and their opponents just laughed and said: "We've got our people already, but thanks."
The FBI raided Manafort's home on July 26th with a search warrant to seize any documentation considered germane to the Mueller investigation.
Later that day Trump tweeted asking why Sessions hadn't fired the Acting Director of the FBI for colluding with the Clinton campaign.
I'm sure these things are a complete coincidence.
The thing that bothers me most is that the Trump base is so entrenched that they're willing to accept that he's clearly a treasonous criminal doing severe damage to the nation's world standing; for no other reason than they hate people who aren't white.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 09, 2017, 03:17:02 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 09, 2017, 04:22:25 PM
I still don't understand why anyone would want to be a politician.
I've long said you have to be a complete egomaniac to go into politics. By running for office you're figuratively saying that you think your ideas are superior to literally everyone else's.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 09, 2017, 04:23:36 PM
Whether you agreed with his politics or not, Obama's goal was to improve life for the majority of Americans. You can disagree with his ideas on how to do that, but you can't say he was being vindictive with any of his policymaking. That same thing can't be said for the current President.
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 10, 2017, 04:24:44 AM
Post by: IATA on August 10, 2017, 08:28:21 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 10, 2017, 09:48:41 AM
I mostly think Trump isn't really that different than the average politician with the main difference being at some point most other ego maniacs face adverrse consequences for being a selfish excrement and learn to pretend a bit.
Trump has never learned that lesson because he's never been accountable to anyone at any other point in his life.
Most politicians had to kowtow to some part of their constituency at some point. He's never had a constituency, he's been the head of private corporations his entire adult life. I guess you could consider going public similar to a constituency, but that's the closest he's ever come before now.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2017, 10:01:42 AM
i would get into politics, but i hate people and would likely mint the yard of the republican mouth breather during a debate
fyp.
Post by: IATA on August 10, 2017, 10:20:59 AM
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Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2017, 10:30:55 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2017, 11:31:01 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on August 16, 2017, 01:39:48 AM
What statue is next, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson? Where does it end?
Post by: Johnny English on August 16, 2017, 02:03:31 PM
Post by: Tommy on August 16, 2017, 03:02:07 PM
Trump's industry councils have disbanded. He's trying to claim on Twitter it was his decision, although it's widely known that a lot of the members have resigned over the last few days and the chairman held a conference call with the rest of them this morning to discuss shutting it all down.
Distancing yourself from an unpopular President is a great PR move. I wouldn't be surprised if their initial rationale to join the council in the first place was along the lines of "Hey, low risk to join the council, but when he fucks up royally we can leave and people will applaud us for it."
Post by: Johnny English on August 16, 2017, 03:16:04 PM
Distancing yourself from an unpopular President is a great PR move. I wouldn't be surprised if their initial rationale to join the council in the first place was along the lines of "Hey, low risk to join the council, but when he fucks up royally we can leave and people will applaud us for it."
I think that today's move is probably also forced upon them - with several already leaving citing that they can't be seen to support a President who is in the pocket of white supremacists, if the others stayed then they are by definition on Team Nazi and that's not good for business.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 16, 2017, 03:59:45 PM
Distancing yourself from an unpopular President is a great PR move. I wouldn't be surprised if their initial rationale to join the council in the first place was along the lines of "Hey, low risk to join the council, but when he fucks up royally we can leave and people will applaud us for it."
I think it's more likely they originally joined in the hopes of helping shape policy (taxes, if nothing else) and have realized that no tax benefit is worth hitching your company's future to that wagon.
Post by: Fenwyr on August 17, 2017, 02:22:03 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on August 17, 2017, 02:29:47 AM
I think it's more likely they originally joined in the hopes of helping shape policy (taxes, if nothing else) and have realized that no tax benefit is worth hitching your company's future to that wagon.To be honest, the ones that bailed were intelligent billionaires that had interest in joining the discussion beyond increasing their wealth. Musk doesn't need Trump. Their energy theories are completely opposite. The guy wants to end fossil fuels and blow his enormous wad on space exploration, among other ventures that will never net him a penny.
There are plenty of billionaires out there that can sometimes look beyond greed.
Post by: Tommy on August 17, 2017, 03:43:28 AM
I think that today's move is probably also forced upon them - with several already leaving citing that they can't be seen to support a President who is in the pocket of white supremacists, if the others stayed then they are by definition on Team Nazi and that's not good for business.
That's true, especially when the first one to pull out was Merck. Given how reviled pharma companies are nowadays it makes sense that others followed their lead.
Post by: Tommy on August 17, 2017, 03:54:14 AM
To be honest, the ones that bailed were intelligent billionaires that had interest in joining the discussion beyond increasing their wealth. Musk doesn't need Trump. Their energy theories are completely opposite. The guy wants to end fossil fuels and blow his enormous wad on space exploration, among other ventures that will never net him a penny.
There are plenty of billionaires out there that can sometimes look beyond greed.
He's pretty much the only reason why Tesla is still in business. That company still isn't profitable (and won't be until at least 2019 I bet), and will likely lose $1 billion this year. But investors like that its backed by his billions and visionary mindset, which gives them the peace of mind that he won't abandon the company.
Post by: Fenwyr on August 17, 2017, 09:43:28 AM
He's pretty much the only reason why Tesla is still in business. That company still isn't profitable (and won't be until at least 2019 I bet), and will likely lose $1 billion this year. But investors like that its backed by his billions and visionary mindset, which gives them the peace of mind that he won't abandon the company.Once his batteries reach the perfect size/cost balance point, that company is set. Combinded with the solar roof concept, he could put, for example, nevada energy out of business.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2017, 10:35:23 AM
To be honest, the ones that bailed were intelligent billionaires that had interest in joining the discussion beyond increasing their wealth. Musk doesn't need Trump. Their energy theories are completely opposite. The guy wants to end fossil fuels and blow his enormous wad on space exploration, among other ventures that will never net him a penny.
There are plenty of billionaires out there that can sometimes look beyond greed.
I hope my post didn't come out wrong. I didn't mean to imply that any of them were in it for simple greed. By taxes, I meant corporate taxes not personal. But I meant the (if nothing else) part to illustrate that I thought they were there for more than simplistic reasons.
I think they legitimately felt being on that council meant they could do some good.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2017, 10:38:36 AM
I haven't read the actual text (the site is getting rammed) but it sounds like he's anti-alt-right now (or at least believes the element exposed this week isn't part of it) and he's not in the POTUS' corner regarding how to handle North Korea.
Post by: Badger on August 17, 2017, 03:26:33 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2017, 03:38:22 PM
The bits and pieces of it that I read sounded pretty reasonable. Not unhinged like the Mooch sounded.
He definitely didn't come off like Mooch. I just meant he's going to be fired (Mooched) soon. I don't think Trump will let this slide. Bannon was seemingly already on shaky ground and he all but said: "No one but me in this administration has any common sense."
Post by: Miamipuck on August 17, 2017, 03:58:36 PM
Hope Hicks must be able suck the chrome off a trailer hitch.
what's her phone number
Post by: bojanglesman on August 17, 2017, 04:03:15 PM
what's her phone number
Why, you jealous she's better than you?
Post by: Badger on August 17, 2017, 09:34:48 PM
He definitely didn't come off like Mooch. I just meant he's going to be fired (Mooched) soon. I don't think Trump will let this slide. Bannon was seemingly already on shaky ground and he all but said: "No one but me in this administration has any common sense."
I wonder if he did it on purpose to try to get fired. Not sure what his end game would be though, and I don't know if there's any tangible difference between resigning and being fired from his post.
Post by: Badger on August 17, 2017, 09:49:45 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on August 18, 2017, 02:28:22 AM
I wonder if he did it on purpose to try to get fired. Not sure what his end game would be though, and I don't know if there's any tangible difference between resigning and being fired from his post.Maybe he finally realized that Trump's complete lack of situational awareness could be the death nail for his alt-right movement. Better to distance yourself now and live to racist another day.
Post by: Fenwyr on August 18, 2017, 02:46:32 AM
We are 7 rounds deep. Has Trump won a month?
My scorecard says no. He landed some regulation jabs, but I have him down 70-61 at this point.
Unless he scores a knockout, and assuming he is still standing, I see the republican House % matching his approval rating in the 2018 elections.
If we put up a decent opponent here in Nevada, the Democrats could get to 51 in the Senate, but the House could be a bloodbath.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 18, 2017, 08:17:04 AM
I wonder if he did it on purpose to try to get fired. Not sure what his end game would be though, and I don't know if there's any tangible difference between resigning and being fired from his post.
I just read that he told DailyMail that he did it to deflect some of the attention away from Trump. And suddenly it all made a lot more sense.
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2017, 09:45:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6oxvm9Q68Q
Post by: bojanglesman on August 18, 2017, 12:08:57 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2017, 12:17:38 PM
Bannon got the boot.
No surprise. You can't call the President's main supporter base "clowns" and expect to get away with it.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 18, 2017, 12:29:52 PM
There's no word on whether he was fired or resigned yet. He apparently was given the option.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 18, 2017, 12:32:21 PM
No surprise. You can't call the President's main supporter base "clowns" and expect to get away with it.
You also can't publicly disagree with this POTUS' stance on a topic. Bannon basically said Trump is completely wrong about North Korea.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 18, 2017, 12:33:31 PM
Post by: Laxin on August 18, 2017, 12:55:58 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 18, 2017, 01:08:38 PM
Im glad Bannon was axed... but of all things, for calling white supremacists clowns? I guess this is even more evidence for Trumps true affiliations.
I highly doubt it was because of the clowns reference (though it was a clear "The President and I don't agree on this" shot). I think it's a lot more likely that Bannon blatantly disagreeing on North Korea (and I think he contradicted Trump on China too) is what angered Trump.
Plus, Trump's new Chief of Staff didn't like Bannon from day 1.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 18, 2017, 02:31:29 PM
Bannon is probably right. If the US attacked North Korea (either first or as a response), there is nothing that could be done to stop NK from lobbing a excrement-ton of bombs within a few hours right over the border to Seoul and kill a gazillion people. Well, nothing short of blanket nuking NK.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 18, 2017, 02:50:26 PM
Bannon probably got fired/resigned for the comment that there was no option militarily in North Korea. That basically deballed Trump's stance of "we will bomb the excrement out of you if you fart in our general direction".
Bannon is probably right. If the US attacked North Korea (either first or as a response), there is nothing that could be done to stop NK from lobbing a excrement-ton of bombs within a few hours right over the border to Seoul and kill a gazillion people. Well, nothing short of blanket nuking NK.
Exactly. Bannon said there is no military option when it comes to North Korea. Every scenario ends in thousands, if not millions, dead. It wouldn't matter which side of the Korean border those lives are lost, that would be the end of America as a world citizen.
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2017, 03:11:59 PM
Exactly. Bannon said there is no military option when it comes to North Korea. Every scenario ends in thousands, if not millions, dead. It wouldn't matter which side of the Korean border those lives are lost, that would be the end of America as a world citizen.
I think that Trump and the braindead fuckwits still clinging to him are the only people in the world who are too stupid to realise that you don't get to drop nukes on China's next door neighbour with impunity.
Post by: Badger on August 18, 2017, 04:23:28 PM
I wonder if he did it on purpose to try to get fired. Not sure what his end game would be though, and I don't know if there's any tangible difference between resigning and being fired from his post.
I think I figured it out, he wants to make autofellatio his full time gig.
Post by: Badger on August 18, 2017, 04:25:39 PM
There's no word on whether he was fired or resigned yet. He apparently was given the option.
"Would you like to resign or be fired?"
"Yes."
Post by: bojanglesman on August 18, 2017, 04:53:07 PM
I think I figured it out, he wants to make autofellatio his full time gig.
He and The Mooch need to cover the Jets games on CBS. "Bannon and The Mooch" has a ring to it.
Mooch: "Da Jets betta score this freaking TD here or I swear to muthafuckin' Christ!!!"
Bannon: "Throw it to the white guy! Hanson>Stewart."
FCC: "Get out. Now."
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2017, 06:03:26 PM
I think that Trump and the braindead fuckwits still clinging to him are the only people in the world who are too stupid to realise that you don't get to drop nukes on China's next door neighbour with impunity.
Not that I see it happening anytime soon, but the only reason China would object to the U.S and South Korea taking out the North Korean government is the threat of the massive amount of refugees that will pass through their border. China's industries depend almost entirely on trade with the U.S and our allies, not to mention assets held by the elite in those same countries. Aside from the expected geopolitical posturing China wouldn't object much.
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2017, 06:13:28 PM
Not that I see it happening anytime soon, but the only reason China would object to the U.S and South Korea taking out the North Korean government is the threat of the massive amount of refugees that will pass through their border. China's industries depend almost entirely on trade with the U.S and our allies, not to mention assets held by the elite in those same countries. Aside from the expected geopolitical posturing China wouldn't object much.
Well, apart from the whole mushroom cloud 500 miles from Beijing and 100 miles from the border thing. That might be a bit of a concern to them.
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2017, 06:37:00 PM
Well, apart from the whole mushroom cloud 500 miles from Beijing and 100 miles from the border thing. That might be a bit of a concern to them.
Considering it's their fault for keeping that government propped up for decades, and done very little to help keep them in check, I think they owe us the opportunity to finally take them down.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 18, 2017, 06:38:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2017, 06:40:38 PM
Considering it's their fault for keeping that government propped up for decades, and done very little to help keep them in check, I think they owe us the opportunity to finally take them down.
You can make all the moral arguments you like, but they're still not going to be happy about pre-emptive nuclear strikes on their doorstep. Thankfully, I don't think that Trump has the authority - technically he might but I suspect that his position is now so weak that if he gave the order for a pre-emptive strike, the JCOS would countermand it and it would cause the downfall of his administration.
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2017, 06:45:54 PM
I don't think taking them down has to involve a mushroom cloud.
Well we're not talking a 100 kiloton bomb, there are tactical nukes that can be used. No mushroom cloud and localized damage, which means Kim's house and their military headquarters would be vaporized, but little else.
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
You can make all the moral arguments you like, but they're still not going to be happy about pre-emptive nuclear strikes on their doorstep. Thankfully, I don't think that Trump has the authority - technically he might but I suspect that his position is now so weak that if he gave the order for a pre-emptive strike, the JCOS would countermand it and it would cause the downfall of his administration.
Of course they'd be unhappy, but we're just talking hypotheticals here. There are plenty of other powerful missiles that can be used for decapitation strikes.
Post by: Badger on August 18, 2017, 06:56:46 PM
Considering it's their fault for keeping that government propped up for decades, and done very little to help keep them in check, I think they owe us the opportunity to finally take them down.
Or they could take out their own trash before the US needs to get involved.
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2017, 06:59:41 PM
Or they could take out their own trash before the US needs to get involved.
Nothing really in it for them to get involved, as they're perfectly fine with the status quo. Also, they'd face a huge humanitarian crisis and a excrement load of refugees flooding their borders, and the responsibility of helping rebuild the country.
Post by: Badger on August 18, 2017, 07:08:51 PM
Nothing really in it for them to get involved, as they're perfectly fine with the status quo. Also, they'd face a huge humanitarian crisis and a excrement load of refugees flooding their borders, and the responsibility of helping rebuild the country.
Sure, but we're talking about a situation where things are no longer status quo. If NK crosses a line and warrants a military response, wouldn't China rather be in control of the situation?
Post by: Tommy on August 18, 2017, 07:26:06 PM
Sure, but we're talking about a situation where things are no longer status quo. If NK crosses a line and warrants a military response, wouldn't China rather be in control of the situation?
NK isn't threatening China. There are three countries with massive military capabilities that are more than capable of dealing with the threat or provocation. China can just sit back, criticize, and watch them spend billions to rebuild the country. Also China avoids any consequences or blame for whatever happens as a result of a preemptive attack (I.e Seoul getting bombed to excrement).
Though I doubt that would happen if Kim is confirmed dead.
Post by: Badger on August 18, 2017, 10:26:57 PM
NK isn't threatening China. There are three countries with massive military capabilities that are more than capable of dealing with the threat or provocation. China can just sit back, criticize, and watch them spend billions to rebuild the country. Also China avoids any consequences or blame for whatever happens as a result of a preemptive attack (I.e Seoul getting bombed to excrement).
Then they can't do excrement about a flood of refugees then. If they're not going to deal with them they're not going to get a say in how it's handled.
Post by: sg3 on August 21, 2017, 05:58:39 AM
Maybe he thought the ship was named after that captured guy who voted against his hideous health care bill.
Or maybe he doesn't give a crap about our soldiers, sailors or veterans
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Post by: Tommy on August 21, 2017, 06:26:39 AM
Then they can't do excrement about a flood of refugees then. If they're not going to deal with them they're not going to get a say in how it's handled.
Right, but it'll be easier for them to turn the refugees away. They can just say "Hey, you guys wanted the regime gone. Go clean up your own mess."
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2017, 09:58:29 AM
At what point will Americans start realizing we can't just sweep out governments ruling over destitute populations, and expect those people to not welcome even worse despots who slide in guaranteeing vengeance on an aggressive empire of heathens hellbent on changing their way of life?
All of this from the same side that desperately wants the US to turn its back on the United Nations.
Post by: Badger on August 21, 2017, 01:09:16 PM
Right, but it'll be easier for them to turn the refugees away. They can just say "Hey, you guys wanted the regime gone. Go clean up your own mess."What are they gonna do? Tamper with the next election? Come at us, China.
Post by: Badger on August 21, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
It's not just about refugees. China is (rightfully) afraid of the power vacuum that would be created by a toppling of the Kim regime.On the bright side there's virtually no chance of creating terrorists like there is when we meddle in the Middle East.
At what point will Americans start realizing we can't just sweep out governments ruling over destitute populations, and expect those people to not welcome even worse despots who slide in guaranteeing vengeance on an aggressive empire of heathens hellbent on changing their way of life?
All of this from the same side that desperately wants the US to turn its back on the United Nations.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2017, 02:03:49 PM
On the bright side there's virtually no chance of creating terrorists like there is when we meddle in the Middle East.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm.
Al Qaeda is in the Philippines, Indonesia, and Malaysia. They aren't a solely Middle Eastern organization. They'll go wherever they can find willing soldiers. While people assume North Koreans would celebrate "liberation" from the Kim regime, from what I've seen North Koreans believe that America is a great enemy and they are willing to fight us no matter the cost.
If that's true, going in even with a tactical strike that only eliminates the leadership only leaves a country full of angry potential threats.
Post by: Badger on August 21, 2017, 02:27:30 PM
I can't tell if this is sarcasm.Let me know when the Muslim population of NK becomes radicalized.
Al Qaeda is in the Philippines, Indonesia, and Malaysia. They aren't a solely Middle Eastern organization. They'll go wherever they can find willing soldiers. While people assume North Koreans would celebrate "liberation" from the Kim regime, from what I've seen North Koreans believe that America is a great enemy and they are willing to fight us no matter the cost.
If that's true, going in even with a tactical strike that only eliminates the leadership only leaves a country full of angry potential threats.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 21, 2017, 02:30:56 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2017, 03:07:25 PM
Let me know when the Muslim population of NK becomes radicalized.
I felt the breeze as it went over my head.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 21, 2017, 04:44:15 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/347382-trump-takes-in-eclipse-from-white-houseSun's not that tough. He backed down. Weak.
Post by: sg3 on August 22, 2017, 05:02:21 AM
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Post by: AlioTheFool on August 22, 2017, 09:37:57 AM
He's also bankrupted the Secret Service. With his frequent vacations/getaways.
At what point will he be called out by the right for doing everything he bitched about for 8 years that the last guy was doing?
Post by: Badger on August 22, 2017, 10:19:19 AM
The great leader might now be considering war with Pakistan. He's already increased military presence in every theater left to him by the previous administration.But her emails
He's also bankrupted the Secret Service. With his frequent vacations/getaways.
At what point will he be called out by the right for doing everything he bitched about for 8 years that the last guy was doing?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 22, 2017, 10:59:09 AM
The great leader might now be considering war with Pakistan. He's already increased military presence in every theater left to him by the previous administration.
He's also bankrupted the Secret Service. With his frequent vacations/getaways.
At what point will he be called out by the right for doing everything he bitched about for 8 years that the last guy was doing?
I don't like Trump at all. However, I don't see that he is considering war with Pakistan. He just said that we have sent crap-tons of money to them and they still have have terrorists hanging out there. We might need to consider whether the money is helping or not. Whether that is true or even their fault, I don't know, but that is a far cry from "we're considering going to war with them".
Also, the director of the secret service said that the financial problem with the secret service is not an issue "that can be attributed to the current Administration’s protection requirements alone, but rather has been an ongoing issue for nearly a decade due to an overall increase in operational tempo." Seems to me that Trump's larger family is magnifying an already-existing problem.
I think there's plenty of other excrement you can rail on Trump for, just not these two. At least not definitively.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 22, 2017, 11:21:08 AM
I don't like Trump at all. However, I don't see that he is considering war with Pakistan. He just said that we have sent crap-tons of money to them and they still have have terrorists hanging out there. We might need to consider whether the money is helping or not. Whether that is true or even their fault, I don't know, but that is a far cry from "we're considering going to war with them".
Also, the director of the secret service said that the financial problem with the secret service is not an issue "that can be attributed to the current Administration’s protection requirements alone, but rather has been an ongoing issue for nearly a decade due to an overall increase in operational tempo." Seems to me that Trump's larger family is magnifying an already-existing problem.
I think there's plenty of other excrement you can rail on Trump for, just not these two. At least not definitively.
War with Pakistan is likely hyperbole, I'll grant that. But part of what I said was that he's already expanded every military operation he inherited--and that's the more important thing.
As for the SS problem? Trump railed Obama for 8 years every time the man took a day off. In Obama's first year as President, he took 26 days of vacation. By the end of Trump's vacation this month, he's already taken 53 days off. He and his extended family are being flown all over the world at taxpayers' expense.
You're right, there's a lot to rail on Trump for. And I do. I rail on every single thing, especially the things he criticized his predecessor for. Because he doesn't get a pass for anything with me.
Post by: Johnny English on August 22, 2017, 04:38:50 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-trump.html?mcubz=0&_r=0
Post by: Tommy on August 22, 2017, 10:20:09 PM
As for the SS problem?
I see what you did there.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 23, 2017, 12:59:21 PM
This is funny, but it's like watching the Patriots v the Dolphins in the AFCCG. You just pray for as many injuries as possible but end up pissed off that someone wins in the end. Maybe this time there's a way for both to lose.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-trump.html?mcubz=0&_r=0
You'd hope. But McConnell will win in the end. Actually, given how bad things are getting for Trump, this might actually save McConnell from the beating he was inevitably going to take for his Trumpcare vote failure.
I see what you did there.
Surprisingly, it was wholly unintentional.
Post by: Johnny English on August 23, 2017, 10:26:53 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on August 24, 2017, 09:32:23 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/watch-behind-the-scenes-video-of-trumps-phoenix-rally-shows-pitifully-sparse-attendance/Don't believe the fake news. I only said Bueller so many times cause there were so many Buellers in attendance.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 24, 2017, 11:26:24 AM
One of them I saw was actually the victory parade for the Cavaliers last year.
Post by: Fenwyr on August 24, 2017, 11:29:48 AM
Fire Marshall, try to let some more in.
Dude is freaking crazy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 24, 2017, 12:28:08 PM
Post by: sg3 on August 25, 2017, 05:24:17 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2017, 05:35:49 PM
Mueller closing in. Grand Jury subpoenas
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I haven't seen anything new today. Where are you seeing new stuff?
Post by: sg3 on August 25, 2017, 05:48:25 PM
MSNBC
CNN
Bloomberg
Everywhere but Faux News
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Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2017, 05:57:18 PM
Fake newsI didn't see anything on the front pages from today.
MSNBC
CNN
Bloomberg
Everywhere but Faux News
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Edit. Found it on Reuters. I thought he had been issuing subpoenas for a few weeks now
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 25, 2017, 10:15:06 PM
Mueller closing in. Grand Jury subpoenas
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No way Trump makes it through June!
Post by: Fenwyr on August 26, 2017, 09:35:46 AM
No way Trump makes it through June!June 2018 seems reasonable.
Post by: sg3 on August 26, 2017, 01:23:16 PM
I have decided to resign and go back to my fake gold encrusted tower. I no longer have the desire to wait for useless things like Congress or the Courts or Special Counsels to do stuff and then find out they are all OBSTRUCTIONISTS. Terrible obstructionists. Believe me. They are almost as bad an enemy as the press. You would think that after my YUUUGE victory in 2016, that all these dishonest people would just do what I tell them to do.
Besides, I need my lawyers to concentrate on more important things like stiffing employees and contractors and work on screwing Melanoma and whatever his name is out of any alimony and child support. Things that I am really good at. Believe me. Trust me.
Anyhow that is my decision as of noon tomorrow as I need time to pack up all that White House silverware and stuff
Thank you all. And God bless ME.
If he doesn't quit he will be around until 2019, when after the Democrats flip 58 seats in the House in Nov18 and pass Articles of Impeachment in January 19
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Post by: Jumbo on August 26, 2017, 03:40:11 PM
If he doesn't resign...which remains a strong possibility IMO.....here's the speech..
I have decided to resign and go back to my fake gold encrusted tower. I no longer have the desire to wait for useless things like Congress or the Courts or Special Counsels to do stuff and then find out they are all OBSTRUCTIONISTS. Terrible obstructionists. Believe me. They are almost as bad an enemy as the press. You would think that after my YUUUGE victory in 2016, that all these dishonest people would just do what I tell them to do.
Besides, I need my lawyers to concentrate on more important things like stiffing employees and contractors and work on screwing Melanoma and whatever his name is out of any alimony and child support. Things that I am really good at. Believe me. Trust me.
Anyhow that is my decision as of noon tomorrow as I need time to pack up all that White House silverware and stuff
Thank you all. And God bless ME.
If he doesn't quit he will be around until 2019, when after the Democrats flip 58 seats in the House in Nov18 and pass Articles of Impeachment in January 19
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What's it like living with a mental illness?
Post by: sg3 on August 26, 2017, 09:41:10 PM
What's it like living with a mental illness?Looks like this(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170827/7d01cbec7a58ddf914f22c1d7b03317b.jpg)
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Post by: Jumbo on August 27, 2017, 12:45:37 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 28, 2017, 11:02:29 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-cyber-security-advisers-resign-growing-threat-charlottesville-a7916496.html
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 29, 2017, 09:58:20 AM
I understand the GOP ideal is "less government", even though I wholly disagree with it, but how does the right not see that Trump's ideal is authoritarianism, and none of them fit into that scheme.
Post by: sg3 on August 29, 2017, 10:18:57 AM
Donnie and Melanoma showed up in Texas to assist flood victims and rescue attempts, he in his golf outfit and she in her $800 designer 8 inch stilettos
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Post by: Badger on August 29, 2017, 11:27:22 AM
My only problem with people jumping ship is that it actually accomplishes what Trump wants: fewer voices in government to guide/dispute him.He wasn't listening to them anyway.
I understand the GOP ideal is "less government", even though I wholly disagree with it, but how does the right not see that Trump's ideal is authoritarianism, and none of them fit into that scheme.
The last shred of hope for anyone who didn't vote for him was "maybe he'll surround himself with competent people" and that was dashed as soon as he built his cabinet.
Post by: Tommy on August 29, 2017, 01:10:04 PM
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2017, 01:18:59 PM
Whether or not you agree with Trump's policies or like the guy, advisors jumping ship really isn't good for this country. Yeah, his response was shitty, but all they're doing is using it do further their own interests via PR moves.What does it say about the President if distancing yourself from him is a good PR move?
Post by: Tommy on August 29, 2017, 01:21:07 PM
What does it say about the President if distancing yourself from him is a good PR move?
So, he's unpopular. Does that mean that everyone should consider the next 3 and a half years as a lost cause and not try to help improve the country?
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2017, 01:31:04 PM
So, he's unpopular. Does that mean that everyone should consider the next 3 and a half years as a lost cause and not try to help improve the country?They can try but it's a waste of energy to try to accomplish anything through him unless it's incidental to his agenda.
Post by: Tommy on August 29, 2017, 01:33:31 PM
They can try but it's a waste of energy to try to accomplish anything through him unless it's incidental to his agenda.
Yeah but he was the one who set up these councils, and they were all on board with being part of it until Charlottesville. No one said anything about it being "pointless because he doesn't listen." They made it clear that it was because of his response - just a PR move and nothing more.
Post by: Badger on August 29, 2017, 02:05:51 PM
Yeah but he was the one who set up these councils, and they were all on board with being part of it until Charlottesville. No one said anything about it being "pointless because he doesn't listen." They made it clear that it was because of his response - just a PR move and nothing more.You're right. Trump is the real victim of Charlottesville.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 29, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 29, 2017, 03:04:16 PM
Yeah but he was the one who set up these councils, and they were all on board with being part of it until Charlottesville. No one said anything about it being "pointless because he doesn't listen." They made it clear that it was because of his response - just a PR move and nothing more.
You're right. They never should have agreed to join those councils in the first place. It's not like his views were a secret before Charlottesville. His statements simply gave chapter and verse.
Post by: Tommy on August 29, 2017, 03:10:00 PM
You're right. They never should have agreed to join those councils in the first place. It's not like his views were a secret before Charlottesville. His statements simply gave chapter and verse.
You can certainly make that argument. Half of the population was criticizing these companies for joining those councils in the first place, but those CEOs insisted that they were doing it "for the good of the country". It seems a bit hypocritical for them to all leave because some people think he's a White Supremacist. But now that more than half of the country dislikes the guy, they all felt that it would be a better PR move to leave than to stay on. Staying on the council doesn't generate headlines since I doubt many people even know who's on the council, but leaving gets your name out there. I just find it funny that people are attaching morals to corporations who don't give a freak about anything other than their bottom line, which PR moves like these have an effect.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 29, 2017, 04:26:47 PM
These Nazis are out of control
Post by: sg3 on August 29, 2017, 04:32:24 PM
Wait?? It wasn't supposed to be a rally
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Post by: Johnny English on August 29, 2017, 04:51:18 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.9bde69b85b40
These Nazis are out of control
Oh look, people continuing to not understand the difference between antifa and black bloc.
Don't whine about right wingers all getting tarred with the same brush if you're going to do the same. (Not aimed specifically at you, SFD. I'm surprised that WaPo is making that mistake.)
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 29, 2017, 06:34:16 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 29, 2017, 08:41:24 PM
You're right. Trump is the real victim of Charlottesville.
There is absolutely equal blame on all sides.
Post by: Fenwyr on August 30, 2017, 03:03:21 AM
So, he's unpopular. Does that mean that everyone should consider the next 3 and a half years as a lost cause and not try to help improve the country?A half year and 3 you think. The optomism is strong in you.
Post by: Fenwyr on August 30, 2017, 03:12:16 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 30, 2017, 05:02:11 AM
You can certainly make that argument. Half of the population was criticizing these companies for joining those councils in the first place, but those CEOs insisted that they were doing it "for the good of the country". It seems a bit hypocritical for them to all leave because some people think he's a White Supremacist. But now that more than half of the country dislikes the guy, they all felt that it would be a better PR move to leave than to stay on. Staying on the council doesn't generate headlines since I doubt many people even know who's on the council, but leaving gets your name out there. I just find it funny that people are attaching morals to corporations who don't give a freak about anything other than their bottom line, which PR moves like these have an effect.
I could also make the argument that ancient aliens built the pyramids. Doesn't mean I should.
Post by: sg3 on August 30, 2017, 05:14:47 AM
You can certainly make that argument. Half of the population was criticizing these companies for joining those councils in the first place, but those CEOs insisted that they were doing it "for the good of the country". It seems a bit hypocritical for them to all leave because some people think he's a White Supremacist. But now that more than half of the country dislikes the guy, they all felt that it would be a better PR move to leave than to stay on. Staying on the council doesn't generate headlines since I doubt many people even know who's on the council, but leaving gets your name out there. I just find it funny that people are attaching morals to corporations who don't give a freak about anything other than their bottom line, which PR moves like these have an effect.Maths correction time. Way more than half can't stand the creep. He got roughly 46% of the votes cast and finished second. Roughly 45% of eligible voters showed up to vote. That puts his percentage on Nov 8 at around 22% and now after 7 months of daily screwups and disasters the percentage of Americans who like him (his red hat wearing base of ignorance) is down to something in the low to mid teens
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Post by: ukilledkenny on August 30, 2017, 08:17:16 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 30, 2017, 08:43:42 AM
You guys aren't getting an impeachment. Your only hope is Trump getting fed up with not succeeding at anything as president and quits.
Or if sgshithead3 calls him a few more mean names on the internet that might do it
Post by: Badger on August 30, 2017, 08:51:57 AM
Or if sgshithead3 calls him a few more mean names on the internet that might do itThis is a solid plan. sg3, do you have Twitter? We need to maximize exposure.
Post by: Fenwyr on August 30, 2017, 09:16:42 AM
You guys aren't getting an impeachment. Your only hope is Trump getting fed up with not succeeding at anything as president and quits.I don't know man... He's alienating elected republicans at an alarming rate. The likelihood of any of his pet projects getting through the Senate were slim, but are now bordering on none.
Two new potentially impeachable offenses broke in one day. Trump Tower Moscow and urging the DOJ to squash the Yosemite Sam case, followed by an unprecedented pardon before sentencing.
One is clearly collusion, the other is clearly obstruction of justice.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 30, 2017, 09:28:34 AM
This is a solid plan. sg3, do you have Twitter? We need to maximize exposure.
That would... actually... work.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 30, 2017, 09:39:11 AM
Post by: sg3 on August 30, 2017, 10:24:27 AM
This is a solid plan. sg3, do you have Twitter? We need to maximize exposure.Use it all the time to attack the D0UCHEBAG IN CHIEF
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 30, 2017, 10:30:07 AM
Use it all the time to attack the D0UCHEBAG IN CHIEF
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And he's never RT'ed you? You must feel like a pretty big failure
Post by: sg3 on August 30, 2017, 11:38:16 AM
And he's never RT'ed you? You must feel like a pretty big failureNope
Getting an RT from that Nazi would be like getting a virus on my phone
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Post by: Tommy on August 30, 2017, 04:52:28 PM
Post by: Andrew Ryan on August 30, 2017, 06:08:53 PM
The guy has been working nonstop and going on 5 hours of sleep for more than 40 years, eventually he's going to run out of gas.
Then maybe he should get some extra sleep instead of playing golf and throwing pointless, self-fellating rallies so goddamn often.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 30, 2017, 06:28:31 PM
I honestly think that after a year when he realizes he can't get anything he wanted done he'll probably resign. The guy has been working nonstop and going on 5 hours of sleep for more than 40 years, eventually he's going to run out of gas.
Isn't he pretty much on vacation or golfing or twitter most of the time?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 30, 2017, 06:30:13 PM
Isn't he pretty much on vacation or golfing or twitter most of the time?Probably masturbating too.
Post by: Tommy on August 30, 2017, 10:36:37 PM
This sign is all over NYC. Just saw it in the LES.
Post by: Fenwyr on August 31, 2017, 01:49:40 AM
I honestly think that after a year when he realizes he can't get anything he wanted done he'll probably resign. The guy has been working nonstop and going on 5 hours of sleep for more than 40 years, eventually he's going to run out of gas.You honestly believe that is work ethic? He just threw that out the window when he got elected?
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2017, 05:47:53 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on September 01, 2017, 03:29:18 AM
I was about to say threatening government shutdown during hurricane recovery efforts would be political suicide but then I remembered nothing matters any more when it comes to what should kill a political career.And pardoning a racist queynte before sentencing during same hurricane.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2017, 08:14:20 AM
And pardoning a racist queynte before sentencing during same hurricane.
Has any president not pardoned several pieces of excrement because of money connections or political favor? Let's not act like it's something new
Post by: ukilledkenny on September 01, 2017, 08:31:01 AM
Has any president not pardoned several pieces of excrement because of money connections or political favor? Let's not act like it's something new
But it actually is different. You know why but are being thick for funsies.
Post by: Johnny English on September 01, 2017, 08:36:56 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2017, 09:32:28 AM
But it actually is different. You know why but are being thick for funsies.
How? I genuinely don't know anything about this dude or what he did
I just know that many presidents have pardoned scum for political favor
Post by: Johnny English on September 01, 2017, 09:44:25 AM
How? I genuinely don't know anything about this dude or what he did
I just know that many presidents have pardoned scum for political favor
Citation needed
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2017, 09:45:58 AM
Citation needed
Is it worse than this?
https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/amp/
Post by: Johnny English on September 01, 2017, 10:12:50 AM
Is it worse than this?
https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/amp/
Yeah, I knew you'd bring that up. It certainly does look pretty questionable, and I can't categorically tell you that it wasn't. However, there is some degree of mitigation for the Marc Rich pardon although I do accept that it's still not without question:
1) Rich was pardoned on the last day of Clinton's second term, so unlike the Trump/Arpaio issue there's no question of him doing it in order to seek immediate political advantage.
2) Clinton is a highly educated and decorated lawyer and politician who knew exactly how and why the right of pardon and commutation exists, unlike Trump who would almost certainly fail a high school civics paper were he to sit one right now.
3) He explained in some detail why he felt it was the right thing to do. (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/opinion/my-reasons-for-the-pardons.html) Like I said, I don't think it's unreasonable to question that still if you're so minded, but it was at least done with some degree of justification compared to
Quote
"He's done a great job for the people of Arizona. He's very strong on borders, very strong on illegal immigration. He is loved in Arizona. I thought he was treated unbelievably unfairly."
All of which might be true, but none of which provides any kind of justification for a pardon.
A slightly better answer you could have come up with would have been Nixon pardoning Jimmy Hoffa.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2017, 10:16:23 AM
At least this guy Trump pardoned was doing what Trump thinks is right and he openly campaigned for president
Post by: Fenwyr on September 01, 2017, 10:31:35 AM
Has any president not pardoned several pieces of excrement because of money connections or political favor? Let's not act like it's something newThe man murdered a helpless inmate, and drove the suicide attempt rate to 25% at his prison. 10% higher than any prison in the country. He bragged about having his very own concentration camp.
Hell, make him the next AG.
Post by: Fenwyr on September 01, 2017, 10:33:42 AM
Is it worse than this?Yes. It very much is. The guy Clinton pardoned sounds like Trump and everyone of his closest advisors/family.
https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/amp/
Post by: Fenwyr on September 01, 2017, 10:37:03 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2017, 10:37:44 AM
The man murdered a helpless inmate, and drove the suicide attempt rate to 25% at his prison. 10% higher than any prison in the country. He bragged about having his very own concentration camp.
Hell, make him the next AG.
Only thing he was convicted of was criminal contempt, sounds like you're being dramatic
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2017, 10:52:10 AM
I genuinely don't know anything about this dude or what he did
Post by: ukilledkenny on September 01, 2017, 11:50:36 AM
How? I genuinely don't know anything about this dude or what he did
I just know that many presidents have pardoned scum for political favor
No excrement you don't know anything. Maybe don't have actual conviction in your shitty made up opinion?
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2017, 12:06:08 PM
Anyone acting surprised or like something new is happening is being absurd
Post by: sg3 on September 01, 2017, 12:43:20 PM
Gerald Ford pardoning Tricky Dick is the worst
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Post by: ukilledkenny on September 01, 2017, 01:09:59 PM
The point was presidents pardon scumbag
Anyone acting surprised or like something new is happening is being absurd
What is it that compels you to go digging for something equally as shitty to remind everyone that shitty things have happened before like we don't know instead of just saying yeah Trump is acting like a dick?
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 03, 2017, 08:35:10 AM
The point was presidents pardon scumbagAnd people criticized Clinton for it. Pardons always get criticized. Shitty pardons deserve criticism.
Anyone acting surprised or like something new is happening is being absurd
I don't know enough about the Rich case, but it's disgusting Arpaio was pardoned. It doesn't matter what other presidents have done.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 03, 2017, 08:44:57 AM
What is it that compels you to go digging for something equally as shitty to remind everyone that shitty things have happened before like we don't know instead of just saying yeah Trump is acting like a dick?
How about the post above yours?
When you have mental midgets him acting like Trump is literally Hitler its pretty ridiculous
Post by: sg3 on September 03, 2017, 08:54:22 AM
1. Rump literally IS Hitler incarnate
2. The only mental midgets are posters like you who still defend him
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Post by: Miamipuck on September 03, 2017, 11:32:12 PM
No excrement you don't know anything. Maybe don't have actual conviction in your shitty made up opinion?
hahahaha
Post by: Fenwyr on September 04, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
How about the post above yours?To be entirely clear, Trump is way too stupid to be in the facist hall of fame.
When you have mental midgets him acting like Trump is literally Hitler its pretty ridiculous
Do 10 minutes of research into Yosemite Sam before you defend that queynte.
Post by: Tommy on September 04, 2017, 12:56:25 PM
To be entirely clear, Trump is way too stupid to be in the facist hall of fame.
Do 10 minutes of research into Yosemite Sam before you defend that queynte.
Anyone familiar was fascism and a despot's rise to power knows that our system of government and way of life, especially being in the Information Age, prevents any one person coming even close to obtaining that kind of power. Trump is simply trying to run the executive branch as if it were his own company. It doesn't work that way, and he's just one of many people who have tried to shake things up but will soon come to realize that this country is built on dissent and argumentative politics. That's the way I like it, too. I don't want everyone agreeing on everything.
The liberals want the entire country to conform to their ideals. Conservatives want the choice to have their communities be run the way they want it to be run, despite objection from the Left. Though I don't agree with everything on The Right, I do believe in choice. I believe in letting things change organically rather than it being forced upon people.
Fascism and its polar opposite both have similar fundamental ideologies that are dependent on indoctrination. When we toss discussion aside and consider those with opposing views as ignorant or unjust, then it's just one step closer to considering them the enemy. That alone is what breeds tyranny. That is how despots come to power. Labeling one side as the enemy and trying to flush them out. That's how all despots have come to power. This isn't limited to Right Wing Extremism, as Left Wing Extremism is also susceptible to this route.
The only way to prevent this from ever happening is to continue arguments, continue disagreements, continue having both sides bicker about who's right and who's wrong, but maintaining tolerance of other ideas and respecting their right to have them.
Post by: Johnny English on September 04, 2017, 01:50:25 PM
The liberals want the entire country to conform to their ideals. Conservatives want the choice to have their communities be run the way they want it to be run, despite objection from the Left.
That's not true. At all.
Post by: Fenwyr on September 04, 2017, 02:16:39 PM
Your complete disregard for the truth when it comes to dems and reps is alarming.
Post by: Fenwyr on September 04, 2017, 02:18:40 PM
That's not true. At all.And he's a smart one.
Post by: Fenwyr on September 04, 2017, 02:21:40 PM
Republicans want to take your money and buy yachts.
Democrats want to take your money and give people healthcare.
You are not getting a taxcut in your lifetime, so what am I missing?
Post by: Tommy on September 04, 2017, 04:41:23 PM
That's not true. At all.
Well I'm referring to the extreme right and left, the loudest and most obnoxious ones. I strongly believe that most people are pretty moderate and either lean a little bit left or a little bit right, or are just apathetic to politics in general. The extreme Right calls anyone who disagrees with them godless heathens or socialist beatniks, and the extreme Left calls anyone who disagrees with them racists and corporate shills.
I hate all forms of extremism, but recognize that some are more dangerous than others. Most of you do, too. To say that only one side holds extreme views is disingenuous.
Post by: Tommy on September 04, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
You are not getting a taxcut in your lifetime, so what am I missing?
What's wrong with supporting something that I don't personally benefit from? How's that any different from rich celebrities who support higher taxes which obviously goes against their own interests? We all have principals. I believe that less government and less taxes are good for the country, even though I may not personally benefit from those tax cuts now, I believe I will in the future though economic growth. Others place a higher priority on the government caring for others and letting the government further the social interests of the people.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 05, 2017, 08:08:27 AM
The liberals want the entire country to conform to their ideals. Conservatives want the choice to have their communities be run the way they want it to be run, despite objection from the Left. Though I don't agree with everything on The Right, I do believe in choice. I believe in letting things change organically rather than it being forced upon people.I know you clarified later that you meant the "extreme" left or right, but I feel based on this paragraph, your theory of conservatives is completely wrong.
Some of the biggest reasons why I consider myself to be leftist are:
- I believe in women's rights and that people who have unwanted pregnancies should be allowed to get abortions.
- I think gay people deserve the right to get married.
- I think people should have the rights to bet on sports, play online poker, smoke marijuana, and other things along those lines that don't harm people should be allowed to do so.
- I think there should be more restrictions on people buying guns.
The first 3 reasons are all beliefs in people having choices and the rights to do certain things. And all are things that polls have shown that the majority of American people are in favor of, at least last I checked. The biggest reasons some of them are not legal is because Republican politicians are resisting that organic change and forcing their beliefs upon people.
Also, there are some extreme opinions on the left, but I don't think any are as destructive to the country as some of the racist ideals on the extreme right.
Post by: Johnny English on September 05, 2017, 09:35:27 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on September 05, 2017, 10:06:27 AM
What's wrong with supporting something that I don't personally benefit from? How's that any different from rich celebrities who support higher taxes which obviously goes against their own interests? We all have principals. I believe that less government and less taxes are good for the country, even though I may not personally benefit from those tax cuts now, I believe I will in the future though economic growth. Others place a higher priority on the government caring for others and letting the government further the social interests of the people.Your queynte of an AG, and yes, you own him, just lied on live TV. 'Mostly adults'. I am so freaking sick of alternative facts.
Post by: Fenwyr on September 05, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
I think Sessions might stroke out before he gets through this speech.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 05, 2017, 10:55:10 AM
Let's boot out children who've never known a life outside the United States. Seems like the American thing to do, right?
Also, there is a rumor that Trump is debating taxing 401k plans up front to fund a tax cut for the rich.
If you still support this guy, freak you.
Post by: ukilledkenny on September 05, 2017, 10:56:22 AM
Post by: Tommy on September 05, 2017, 11:05:20 AM
I know you clarified later that you meant the "extreme" left or right, but I feel based on this paragraph, your theory of conservatives is completely wrong.
Some of the biggest reasons why I consider myself to be leftist are:
- I believe in women's rights and that people who have unwanted pregnancies should be allowed to get abortions.
- I think gay people deserve the right to get married.
- I think people should have the rights to bet on sports, play online poker, smoke marijuana, and other things along those lines that don't harm people should be allowed to do so.
- I think there should be more restrictions on people buying guns.
The first 3 reasons are all beliefs in people having choices and the rights to do certain things. And all are things that polls have shown that the majority of American people are in favor of, at least last I checked. The biggest reasons some of them are not legal is because Republican politicians are resisting that organic change and forcing their beliefs upon people.
Also, there are some extreme opinions on the left, but I don't think any are as destructive to the country as some of the racist ideals on the extreme right.
I definitely agree with most of your points, and honestly, believe that most of the Republican resistance to new personal liberties are a byproduct of appealing to the older and more religious/conservative base that is vehemently against that sort of change in the social paradigm. It's politics. These people want to get elected, so once those old loons die off they'll go where the wind blows, and hopefully, that's back to being the party of small government.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 05, 2017, 11:09:03 AM
Why would I even keep a 401k if it's taxed up front? I'll just put it all in a Roth IRA instead.
How would that be different? The money you put into an IRA would still be money you already paid taxes on.
Post by: Tommy on September 05, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 05, 2017, 11:14:43 AM
I definitely agree with most of your points, and honestly, believe that most of the Republican resistance to new personal liberties are a byproduct of appealing to the older and more religious/conservative base that is vehemently against that sort of change in the social paradigm. It's politics. These people want to get elected, so once those old loons die off they'll go where the wind blows, and hopefully, that's back to being the party of small government.
The sad thing is that by pandering to these "old loons" they're legitimising their social bigotry, and helping to create a new generation of loons to continue those views. The old loons might die off but they're being replaced.
Post by: ukilledkenny on September 05, 2017, 11:19:26 AM
How would that be different? The money you put into an IRA would still be money you already paid taxes on.
Yeah exactly, I have both right now. I don't need two if they are the same thing
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 05, 2017, 11:21:17 AM
The sad thing is that by pandering to these "old loons" they're legitimising their social bigotry, and helping to create a new generation of loons to continue those views. The old loons might die off but they're being replaced.
This is what I was going to say.
It's easy to say that old bigots are going to die and be replaced, but the reality is, the generations younger than them are not only just as bigoted, but more active. Klan rallies are being replaced with very public scenes like Charlottesville.
I keep repeating this. While those of us from major cities believe it's the fringe of society, because we don't see widespread racism on a day-to-day basis, it exists in rural America to a far greater degree.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 05, 2017, 11:22:49 AM
Yeah exactly, I have both right now. I don't need two if they are the same thing
Ah, gotcha.
I've only got a 401k, and even that I can barely afford. If not for the fact that it's pre-tax, I wouldn't have any retirement savings at all.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 05, 2017, 12:06:45 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 05, 2017, 12:24:09 PM
One benefit of a supposed Roth 401k to some is that some employers partially match contributions, so it's free money. You don't get that opening your own Roth IRA. The trade-off is that you have 100% freedom where you invest an IRA. Investment options are usually limited with employers and 401k.
Yeah, I have some limited flexibility to choose which funds my money is invested in, but I never bother to monitor it. I do get limited employer matching so that's a plus.
If it was post-tax money though, I'd just spend it instead. My wife hates that I have the 401k, since we could always use that money immediately on expenses, but I keep insisting we need something for our later years.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 05, 2017, 01:57:29 PM
One benefit of a supposed Roth 401k to some is that some employers partially match contributions, so it's free money. You don't get that opening your own Roth IRA. The trade-off is that you have 100% freedom where you invest an IRA. Investment options are usually limited with employers and 401k.
I mean for very few people does it make sense to use a Roth 401 instead of a traditional. Especially if you're in a higher tax state (like new york). But if you're just starting out in your career and are in a lower tax bracket or a low cost state it's more attractive but a Roth IRA is typically a better option (except for the match).
But when a Roth 401 is matched the match is usually tax deferred or at least mine is
Post by: ukilledkenny on September 05, 2017, 01:59:33 PM
One benefit of a supposed Roth 401k to some is that some employers partially match contributions, so it's free money. You don't get that opening your own Roth IRA. The trade-off is that you have 100% freedom where you invest an IRA. Investment options are usually limited with employers and 401k.
Ah yes, knew I wasn't thinking of something.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 05, 2017, 03:52:39 PM
I mean for very few people does it make sense to use a Roth 401 instead of a traditional. Especially if you're in a higher tax state (like new york). But if you're just starting out in your career and are in a lower tax bracket or a low cost state it's more attractive but a Roth IRA is typically a better option (except for the match).
But when a Roth 401 is matched the match is usually tax deferred or at least mine is
Roth vs regular depends on what tax bracket you think you'll be in when you retire vs now. I don't really know if you can predict that with good certainty, so I've always had a mix of both. For people that have 20-30 years to retirement, who knows what the hell tax brackets will look like in 2040. If there are brackets at all.
Honestly, the most important thing is saving money for retirement in some form or fashion.
Post by: Badger on September 07, 2017, 05:42:22 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 07, 2017, 07:41:36 PM
As it stands right now 3 of the 4 are taxed. I rolled mine over and I had to roll over the gains and the company's contribution to a regular IRA and my contribution into a roth IRA. American Funds insisted and I tried to fight them saying the gains on my contribution was tax free but they insisted it wasn't.
Anyway, be careful a Roth 401k is not the same as a Roth IRA.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 08, 2017, 11:06:47 AM
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The picture is funny, the situation is weird.
Trump tweeted to DREAMers yesterday...at Nancy Pelosi's request.
If this was the WWE, everyone would be expecting Donald's heel turn at the next big event. I wouldn't mind seeing the POTUS suddenly break a chair over McConnell's back and then throw Ryan through a table. Though he only becomes a true face when he drops an elbow on Pence from the top of a ladder.
Post by: Tommy on September 08, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
Post by: Badger on September 08, 2017, 07:00:53 PM
Whether or not you agree with Trump's decision on DACA, don't you find it weird that illegal immigrants are going out in public and lashing out and nothing happen to them? I figure they'd get deported or something.
Turns out we have more important excrement to worry about.
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2017, 06:18:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 12, 2017, 07:10:17 PM
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2017, 10:28:27 PM
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The picture is funny, the situation is weird.
Trump tweeted to DREAMers yesterday...at Nancy Pelosi's request.
If this was the WWE, everyone would be expecting Donald's heel turn at the next big event. I wouldn't mind seeing the POTUS suddenly break a chair over McConnell's back and then throw Ryan through a table. Though he only becomes a true face when he drops an elbow on Pence from the top of a ladder.
http://nyp.st/2wr2JGO
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2017, 08:58:42 AM
-Floyd Mayweather
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2017, 09:09:09 AM
“He speak like a real man spoke. Real men speak like, ‘Man, she had a fat derriere. You see her derriere? I had to squeeze her derriere. I had to grab that fat derriere.’ Right? So he talking locker room talk. Locker room talk. ‘I’m the man, you know what I’m saying? You know who I am. Yeah, I grabbed her by the hoo-ha. And?'”
-Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather is what happens when you truly have "freak-you" money along with chronic traumatic brain damage, preceeded with ignorance.
Post by: Fenwyr on September 15, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
Fortunately, I'm seeing my most anticipated fight of the last 5 years tomorrow night. Not going to bet. It would be a Sophie's choice. They are my 2 favorite fighters in the world.
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2017, 02:47:22 PM
Still struggling to find the plug hole eh, Don?
Post by: bojanglesman on September 16, 2017, 07:00:13 AM
https://youtu.be/onM_uqNsoT8
Post by: Johnny English on September 17, 2017, 12:04:22 PM
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2017, 12:46:11 PM
Yesterday's pro-Trump rally on the National Mall in DC, named "The Mother Of All Rallies", attracted a crowd estimated at 150.
https://youtu.be/lKie-vgUGdI
Post by: ukilledkenny on September 17, 2017, 04:09:55 PM
Post by: Pope on September 17, 2017, 04:10:50 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on September 17, 2017, 07:07:14 PM
He let a kid mow the lawn doe.He's going to be so bankrupt when this is over, kids will be paying him to mow Ivanka's lawn.
Post by: Badger on September 19, 2017, 04:13:07 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2017, 09:36:14 PM
“Some owner is going to do that,” he implies.
MAGA
Post by: sg3 on September 23, 2017, 04:16:58 AM
After barely mentioning Big Luther while focusing on talking about himself and how his latest last ditch effort to remove healthcare from 32 million had gone down the toilet
Must be tough even for Tommyanne to have to endure days after days of this ignoramus on display
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Post by: Derek Smalls on September 23, 2017, 07:44:58 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 23, 2017, 08:06:30 PM
I get that you can multitask, but when Puerto Rico and other US territories are in dire need of support, it's pretty petty for him to be taking on the NFL right now.
It's all about perspective. The mistake that you're making is thinking that he is President of the United States, whereas in fact he has zero interest in being anything of the sort. He's the President of Trump Empires, which means that people who don't directly support him and his interests are at best of zero interest to him, at worst direct enemies.
Post by: sg3 on September 23, 2017, 08:40:02 PM
It's all about perspective. The mistake that you're making is thinking that he is President of the United States, whereas in fact he has zero interest in being anything of the sort. He's the President of Trump Empires, which means that people who don't directly support him and his interests are at best of zero interest to him, at worst direct enemies."Many people have told me that virtually none of those Americans in Puerto Rico voted for me in November whereas the many fine people of Alabama voted for me bigly!"
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2017, 05:44:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 24, 2017, 05:50:40 PM
@GenoSmith3: We better off having Donald Duck lead the country this guy is a fraud!Geno is as good at insults as he is at football.
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2017, 05:51:40 PM
@GenoSmith3: We better off having Donald Duck lead the country this guy is a fraud!
Geno is as good at insults as he is at football.
He got hacked by sg3.
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2017, 06:51:41 PM
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2017, 06:52:01 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2017, 06:56:14 PM
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Lol does this guy know who owns the Jets?
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2017, 06:59:48 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2017, 07:06:02 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2017, 07:06:33 PM
Apparently Chris Johnson joined the team in locked arms for the anthem. Can't believe he wouldn't have done that without clearing it with Woody first. I'm obviously not a fan of Woody's political leanings but in the context of what he actually does right now, I understand why the Jets can't issue a statement.
Leonard Williams on Christopher Johnson: "He spoke to every single person in this locker room. He didn't bring everybody up together and give one big speech. He walked up to every individual, looked them in the eyes and told us he was going to support us in what we wanted to do…I felt like that meant a lot to everybody in here."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2017, 07:08:15 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2017, 07:15:14 PM
Gonna be interesting to see the game tomorrow. I’ve heard jerry Jones indicate he would have a problem with people protesting
Let's hope his entire offensive line kneels with their fists in the air while revealing shirts that say freak TRUMP. I wouldn't mind a bit of free agent Tyron Smith or Travis Frederick. Let's see how freaking loyal to his principles Jerry Jones is then.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2017, 07:30:28 PM
Lol does this guy know who owns the Jets?
Dudes a Democrat in NY who is friends with Hillary Clinton, and a quick google search suggests he could be the most anti Trump politician in NY.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 24, 2017, 07:36:38 PM
Trumps freak up here is he's now getting a negative message out there about himself and it's being reinforced by pretty much every professional athlete in American sports which basically injects politics (in a negative way) so much deeper into sports and American culture than it already is.
I get how being anti Anti-Flag riles up his base, but I think this is going to really turn things so much worse for him.
While he will surely capable and will do some good things, I hope he resigns.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 24, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Dudes a Democrat in NY who is friends with Hillary Clinton, and a quick google search suggests he could be the most anti Trump politician in NY.
So a Democrat in NY
Post by: Johnny English on September 24, 2017, 08:29:31 PM
The best statements came from some of the owners who irritate me the most - Kraft, York, Pegula, Mara. Conversely, I always liked Bisciotti and I think he has been generally quite spineless through this whole thing.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 26, 2017, 06:51:20 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/24/media/nfl-owners-trump-unity/index.htmlWhen hasn't Bisciotti been spineless?
The best statements came from some of the owners who irritate me the most - Kraft, York, Pegula, Mara. Conversely, I always liked Bisciotti and I think he has been generally quite spineless through this whole thing.
Also, Shaun King said that there were Jets players who told him that the team "strongly discouraged" them from taking knees. I believe it.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 26, 2017, 07:36:22 AM
When hasn't Bisciotti been spineless?Shaun King sourcezzzz
Also, Shaun King said that there were Jets players who told him that the team "strongly discouraged" them from taking knees. I believe it.
Post by: Badger on September 26, 2017, 07:42:14 AM
Shaun King sourcezzzz
When hasn't Bisciotti been spineless?And Manish said that was completely untrue. Who to believe?
Also, Shaun King said that there were Jets players who told him that the team "strongly discouraged" them from taking knees. I believe it.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 26, 2017, 08:20:35 AM
And Manish said that was completely untrue. Who to believe?
Manish vs Shaun King. Thunderdome.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 26, 2017, 09:37:40 AM
Also, Shaun King said that there were Jets players who told him that the team "strongly discouraged" them from taking knees. I believe it.
Shaun King is white.
Post by: Johnny English on September 26, 2017, 09:40:25 AM
Unbelievably, I find myself inclined to side with Manish.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 26, 2017, 09:51:27 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 26, 2017, 10:41:09 AM
Lol does this guy know who owns the Jets?
Hahahahaha, Woody would be fired in a heartbeat...and then back here trying to make football decisions...KEEP YOUR freaking MOUTH SHUT, CHRIS.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 26, 2017, 11:48:25 AM
Shaun King has also made it clear in the past that he has no interest in football, so how he suddenly has contacts inside the Jets' locker room is unknown.
Unbelievably, I find myself inclined to side with Manish.
Manish is a excrement-stirring click-baiter, but I think he's got legit sources on the inside of the organization. He may twist every story to get people to read his sensationalistic rag-writing, but my view is that there's always a grain of truth he starts with.
And Shaun King's sensationalism dwarfs Manish's.
Besides the fact that in the postgame, every player that was asked was unwavering that they had a very productive team meeting and were unified in their locked-arm stance.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2017, 11:18:23 AM
#ThanksTrump.
I’ll let dcm take this one.
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2017, 06:49:46 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2017, 08:56:58 PM
junc got me this cool book for my birthday.
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Right because I’m sure you could stage a protest at your job and your employer would be totally cool with it- black, white or whatever. Pretty sure the trump supporters would be internally combusting no matter what race was kneeling the anthem/flag.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2017, 09:14:18 PM
Right because I’m sure you could stage a protest at your job and your employer would be totally cool with it- black, white or whatever. Pretty sure the trump supporters would be internally combusting no matter what race was kneeling the anthem/flag.
I was going to say this (and I do agree with it), but the issue is its the fans throwing a excrement fit not the employer. It will be incredibly interesting to watch this going forward though, to see how the league handles it. If the league does nothing they're going to alienate people on both sides of the political fence (although mostly the right) and if they do something itll be the other way around. Regardless of what they do you have a league thats already losing viewers, losing even more viewers.
I don't really know how the league gets out of this unscathed. Maybe their best bet is to encourage players right to protest just not during the anthem (ie what the Cowboys did) , or try to deflect the issue to something that people can easily get behind (domestic violence, cancer awareness). No matter what happens the league is going to get hurt, and this is unfortunate for people who just give a freak about football.
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2017, 10:10:21 PM
Right because I’m sure you could stage a protest at your job and your employer would be totally cool with it- black, white or whatever. Pretty sure the trump supporters would be internally combusting no matter what race was kneeling the anthem/flag.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2017, 10:14:02 PM
I was going to say this (and I do agree with it), but the issue is its the fans throwing a excrement fit not the employer. It will be incredibly interesting to watch this going forward though, to see how the league handles it. If the league does nothing they're going to alienate people on both sides of the political fence (although mostly the right) and if they do something itll be the other way around. Regardless of what they do you have a league thats already losing viewers, losing even more viewers.
I don't really know how the league gets out of this unscathed. Maybe their best bet is to encourage players right to protest just not during the anthem (ie what the Cowboys did) , or try to deflect the issue to something that people can easily get behind (domestic violence, cancer awareness). No matter what happens the league is going to get hurt, and this is unfortunate for people who just give a freak about football.
Now imagine if you or the rest of us gave this much of a excrement about something that actually mattered, like concussions.
Post by: MBGreen on September 28, 2017, 10:14:45 PM
junc got me this cool book for my birthday.why is koz on the cover?
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Post by: Badger on September 28, 2017, 10:16:01 PM
why is koz on the cover?
He wrote the foreword.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 28, 2017, 10:17:43 PM
He wrote the forehead.
fixed
Post by: sg3 on September 29, 2017, 02:31:29 AM
I was going to say this (and I do agree with it), but the issue is its the fans throwing a excrement fit not the employer. It will be incredibly interesting to watch this going forward though, to see how the league handles it. If the league does nothing they're going to alienate people on both sides of the political fence (although mostly the right) and if they do something itll be the other way around. Regardless of what they do you have a league thats already losing viewers, losing even more viewers.Good thing the NFL has NO other issues of concern than making the MORON in the WH happy
I don't really know how the league gets out of this unscathed. Maybe their best bet is to encourage players right to protest just not during the anthem (ie what the Cowboys did) , or try to deflect the issue to something that people can easily get behind (domestic violence, cancer awareness). No matter what happens the league is going to get hurt, and this is unfortunate for people who just give a freak about football.
Nothing like
1. CTE brain damage
2. Incompetant, overaged, nearly blind part time officials who barely know the rules
3. Games that include an average of around 26 minutes of actual play but take more than 3 hours
4. An incomprehensible definition of a pass completion
5. Players who think it's cute to celebrate by emulating a dog urinating
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 29, 2017, 05:37:07 AM
Now imagine if you or the rest of us gave this much of a excrement about something that actually mattered, like concussions.
Then the NFL wouldn't exist any more
Post by: Fenwyr on September 29, 2017, 09:53:40 AM
According to Trump's white America...
White supremicists marching with torches on a liberal city and inciting violence.
Good people.
A couple black guys taking a knee during the anthem.
Son's of bitches.
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 29, 2017, 01:16:32 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 29, 2017, 04:17:11 PM
The Saints are going to kneel before, then stand during, the anthem. Dallas did it and got booed. If teams continue to take this approach it makes it blatantly clear who the racists are.
Those raciss Brits
Post by: bojanglesman on September 29, 2017, 04:29:50 PM
Post by: Tommy on September 29, 2017, 09:32:18 PM
They were protesting Trump's words.
According to Trump's white America...
White supremicists marching with torches on a liberal city and inciting violence.
Good people.
A couple black guys taking a knee during the anthem.
Son's of bitches.
To be fair he never said the white supremacists were good people. He just said that the other side was just as guilty of the violence as them. Not justifying his words but I hate when people twist his words like that.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 29, 2017, 10:02:09 PM
To be fair he never said the white supremacists were good people. He just said that the other side was just as guilty of the violence as them. Not justifying his words but I hate when people twist his words like that.
Really? That's what you hate? Not the fact that our president is completely incompetent or that he's an abject moron but that his words are somehow twisted while he's proving himself to be utterly incapable of doing something as simple as denouncing white supremacy and Nazism without equivocation.
Post by: Tommy on September 29, 2017, 10:03:41 PM
Really? That's what you hate? Not the fact that he's utterly incompetent or that he's an abject moron but that his words are somehow twisted while he's showing himself to be incapable of doing something as simple as denouncing white supremacy and Nazism without equivocation.
K
Post by: bojanglesman on September 29, 2017, 10:04:37 PM
KClassic Tommy. Love it.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 29, 2017, 10:15:22 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on September 29, 2017, 11:13:00 PM
To be fair he never said the white supremacists were good people. He just said that the other side was just as guilty of the violence as them. Not justifying his words but I hate when people twist his words like that.No. He said there were lots of good people on both sides. You don't need to twist his words.
Post by: Tommy on September 30, 2017, 01:46:49 AM
No. He said there were lots of good people on both sides. You don't need to twist his words.
Quote
TRUMP: I will tell you something. I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it. And you have -- you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent, and nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. You had a group -- you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent.
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: Go ahead.
QUESTION: Do you think that the -- what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis?
TRUMP: Those people -- all of those people -- excuse me. I've condemned neo-Nazis. I've condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E. Lee. So -- excuse me. And you take a look at some of the groups and you see -- and you'd know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you're not, but many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So this week it's Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson's coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you all -- you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop? But they were there to protest -- excuse me. You take a look, the night before, they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. Infrastructure question, go ahead.
Typical Trump rambling but I don't see where he said there were good people on both sides.
Post by: Johnny English on September 30, 2017, 09:25:26 AM
Typical Trump rambling but I don't see where he said there were good people on both sides.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2017, 01:13:29 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/
Yeah but still
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 30, 2017, 01:36:14 PM
Right because I’m sure you could stage a protest at your job and your employer would be totally cool with it- black, white or whatever. Pretty sure the trump supporters would be internally combusting no matter what race was kneeling the anthem/flag.
the protest has nothing to do with the nfl, the protest isn't against the nfl, so why would it bother the employer
the protest does nothing to stop/lengthen the game so what would be the issue
the only thing that is 'disrupted' are the people bothered by the protest, and that is because they're fuggen idiots
Post by: dcm1602 on September 30, 2017, 02:16:41 PM
the protest has nothing to do with the nfl, the protest isn't against the nfl, so why would it bother the employer
the protest does nothing to stop/lengthen the game so what would be the issue
the only thing that is 'disrupted' are the people bothered by the protest, and that is because they're fuggen idiots
How dense are you? The protest has nothing to do with the NFL? They're freaking protesting during nfl games, and as a result people are boycotting the NFL, its hurting its image and forcing them to lose viewers and advertising revenue.
This is a nightmare for the nfl, regardless of how minor (or Noble depending on your perspective) the actual actions of nfl players are
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 30, 2017, 02:35:07 PM
How dense are you? The protest has nothing to do with the NFL? They're freaking protesting during nfl games, and as a result people are boycotting the NFL, its hurting its image and forcing them to lose viewers and advertising revenue.
This is a nightmare for the nfl, regardless of how minor (or Noble depending on your perspective) the actual actions of nfl players are
how dense am i? i was saying the content of the protest itself has nothing to do with the nfl
how idiots respond to the protest has nothing to do with the actions of the players nor should it bar the players from doing what they are doing, it's not their fault people are dumb and are flipping out. the nfl's image isnt getting hurt by any of this, stupid people are just saying/doing stupid excrement because they're oblivious to reality and missing the point of this all
people can go on social media and burn their jerseys all they want, and cancel their subscriptions, or at least claim to, but this isn't going to make a dent in either viewership or revenue that the nfl will feel or get pained from, you can guaran-freaking-tee it
Post by: dcm1602 on September 30, 2017, 02:46:16 PM
how dense am i? i was saying the content of the protest itself has nothing to do with the nfl
how idiots respond to the protest has nothing to do with the actions of the players nor should it bar the players from doing what they are doing, it's not their fault people are dumb and are flipping out. the nfl's image isnt getting hurt by any of this, stupid people are just saying/doing stupid excrement because they're oblivious to reality and missing the point of this all
people can go on social media and burn their jerseys all they want, and cancel their subscriptions, or at least claim to, but this isn't going to make a dent in either viewership or revenue that the nfl will feel or get pained from, you can guaran-freaking-tee it
Uhm the content doesn't matter but the actual protesting does. Dude the protest impacts the leagues image. Yes those people are mostly morons responding in a ridiculous way. But the league is dependent on those viewers for revenue and advertisers.
NFL viewership is already down like 10% from last year or something and SNF took a significant dump from the prior week (like 8%) once these protest were widespread. One week is nothing in the grand scheme and certainly isn't a trend, but to pretend that this whole thing is nothing is silly.
I'll also mind you those angry idiot morons showing up in droves is the reason Trump got elected. So to pretend they can't hurt the NFL is asinine.
I'll add I'm not saying the NFL should cater to or appease them, just that this is a shitty freaking situation that's bad for the leagues image and they're gonna get fucked no matter what they do
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 30, 2017, 02:58:50 PM
Uhm the content doesn't matter but the actual protesting does. Dude the protest impacts the leagues image. Yes those people are mostly morons responding in a ridiculous way. But the league is dependent on those viewers for revenue and advertisers.
NFL viewership is already down like 10% from last year or something and SNF took a significant dump from the prior week (like 8%) once these protest were widespread. One week is nothing in the grand scheme and certainly isn't a trend, but to pretend that this whole thing is nothing is silly.
I'll also mind you those angry idiot morons showing up in droves is the reason Trump got elected. So to pretend they can't hurt the NFL is asinine.
I'll add I'm not saying the NFL should cater to or appease them, just that this is a shitty freaking situation that's bad for the leagues image and they're gonna get fucked no matter what they do
nfl viewership was down for the year before the 'widespread protests' even began. viewership was down as a whole for the 2016 season as well. that wasn't an issue for anybody. it's quite convenient that when players now decide to do something in unison and some clowns go apeshit on social media about it, it's seen as a problem for the nfl and its revenues, when none of the people clamoring that the poor filthy rich nfl owners and league execs will be losing money off of these protests were saying the same with the total decrease in viewership over the last few seasons, which had nothing to do with kaepernick or with any league-wide protests as they weren't freaking around then
Post by: dcm1602 on September 30, 2017, 03:02:25 PM
nfl viewership was down for the year before the 'widespread protests' even began. viewership was down as a whole for the 2016 season as well. that wasn't an issue for anybody. it's quite convenient that when players now decide to do something in unison and some clowns go apeshit on social media about it, it's seen as a problem for the nfl and its revenues, when none of the people clamoring that the poor filthy rich nfl owners and league execs will be losing money off of these protests were saying the same with the total decrease in viewership over the last few seasons, which had nothing to do with kaepernick or with any league-wide protests as they weren't freaking around then
People were talking about problems with nfl viewership ever since the whole CTE thing came to the spotlight. So I'm not sure why you're thinking it's suddenly an issue. Regardless controversy is only something that could compound on the issue and potentially make it worse. Which is obviously something that the NFL wouldn't want, which is why any employer wouldn't want its employees protesting on the job
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 30, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
People were talking about problems with nfl viewership ever since the whole CTE thing came to the spotlight. So I'm not sure why you're thinking it's suddenly an issue. Regardless controversy is only something that could compound on the issue and potentially make it worse. Which is obviously something that the NFL wouldn't want, which is why any employer wouldn't want its employees protesting on the job
nice, i am sure your simple, reductionist comment that the drop in viewership over the past few years was simply because 'the whole CTE thing came to the spotlight' is true, and not because of a multitude of factors that may or may not be difficult to analyze. they weren't focusing on one aspect then, rather searching for the multiple reasons behind it. but they are totally focusing/pinpointing/blaming one possible 'aspect' or 'cause' now, even though viewership was way down before all of this even began, and i wonder what the agenda is behind that?
the employers will still make loads of money and make way more from the black athletes sacrificing their bodies playing this sport than vice versa. the employer knows that, and is thus allowing his players to say/do what they want
Post by: dcm1602 on September 30, 2017, 03:14:57 PM
nice, i am sure your simple, reductionist comment that the drop in viewership over the past few years was simply because 'the whole CTE thing came to the spotlight' is true, and not because of a multitude of factors that may or may not be difficult to analyze. they weren't focusing on one aspect then, rather searching for the multiple reasons behind it. but they are totally focusing/pinpointing/blaming one possible 'aspect' or 'cause' now, even though viewership was way down before all of this even began, and i wonder what the agenda is behind that?
the employers will still make loads of money and make way more from the black athletes sacrificing their bodies playing this sport than vice versa. the employer knows that, and is thus allowing his players to say/do what they want
Speaking of simple reread what I wrote. And where I said CTE was simply the reason viewership is down
Thanks
Post by: sg3 on September 30, 2017, 03:19:37 PM
Americans are drowning, starving and dying from things like Cholera in PR and USVI.
The Mayor of San Juan publicly begged for assistance from our Govt which currently stands at roughly 25% of what was provided to Haiti after an earthquake.
President "Heckuva job Trumpy" responded sympathetically by attacking the Mayor and telling her we are doing great. His response was from his NJ golf course where he was golfing and eating delicious chocolate cake. He can't get to PR until Tuesday since it is taking more time than expected to set up his photo op
Clearly the absolutely worst human since Idi Amin to be the ruler of a country
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Post by: d sw0rdz on September 30, 2017, 03:21:46 PM
Speaking of simple reread what I wrote. And where I said CTE was simply the reason viewership is down
Thanks
I will never reread any of the dumb excrement you write. What the freak are you even saying here, it is no sort of response to the main point of my post. You're just trying to find a cop out because there was no other bullshit you could pull out of your derriere in response. Why the hell did i waste 3 posts on you
i am done
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2017, 05:04:00 PM
Post by: Tommy on September 30, 2017, 05:13:33 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/
“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”
“You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2017, 05:20:51 PM
“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”
“You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.
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Post by: Tommy on September 30, 2017, 05:21:11 PM
“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”
“You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.
Obviously if you march with white supremacists then there's something wrong with you, so it's obviously not a good statement to make. But him saying that there were good people amongst those who weren't white supremisits and Neo-Nazis is very different than him "defending white supremisits and calling them good people." I can see the difference, but if you can't then that's up to you.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on September 30, 2017, 05:36:17 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 30, 2017, 05:43:04 PM
Obviously if you march with white supremacists then there's something wrong with you, so it's obviously not a good statement to make. But him saying that there were good people amongst those who weren't white supremisits and Neo-Nazis is very different than him "defending white supremisits and calling them good people." I can see the difference, but if you can't then that's up to you.There probably were some peaceful people there that were just protesting because they were a little too into southern heritage. What percentage I have no idea. Of course there were lots of shitheads too.
Post by: Johnny English on September 30, 2017, 06:30:58 PM
Obviously if you march with white supremacists then there's something wrong with you, so it's obviously not a good statement to make. But him saying that there were good people amongst those who weren't white supremisits and Neo-Nazis is very different than him "defending white supremisits and calling them good people." I can see the difference, but if you can't then that's up to you.
If you march with people who are white supremacists, then you're a white supremacist. I'm not really sure where you're seeing a distinction here.
Post by: Fenwyr on September 30, 2017, 07:07:20 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 30, 2017, 07:11:41 PM
If you march with people who are white supremacists, then you're a white supremacist. I'm not really sure where you're seeing a distinction here.I may be wrong, but I don't think everyone there was actually marching in the streets. Weren't there other people there to peacefully protest in the area, but not actually screaming and being idiots in the streets with the white supremacists?
Post by: JFIF on September 30, 2017, 07:13:28 PM
If you march with people who are white supremacists, then you're a white supremacist. I'm not really sure where you're seeing a distinction here.
Oh no, we're not white supremacists. We just carry torches and yell "Jews won't replace us"
Post by: Fenwyr on September 30, 2017, 07:13:48 PM
Canadian born, US citizen, white trash Trump voter.
Thanks MB.
Post by: JFIF on September 30, 2017, 07:20:55 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 30, 2017, 09:06:15 PM
So, at the casino bar last night. This little white bitch that everyone hates other than her entourage, asks the american born mexican american to shake his chubby derriere for her, proceeds to call Mexico a excrement hole, admits to lying and faking her way to citizenship, and finally says the monkeys should shut up a do what they are paid to do (in regards to black men taking a knee).
Canadian born, US citizen, white trash Trump voter.
Thanks MB.
So youre saying the problem is a foreign national was able to become an American citizen too easily by circumventing American laws.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 30, 2017, 09:27:54 PM
Did anyone else skip the page where DCM called someone dense?
Because it's a completely asinine opinion that a league shouldn't care about its employees protesting on the job. I don't give a excrement about people's stance on the issues, in an image driven advertising revenue based industry you don't want to alienate fans by publicizing relatively controversial stances. Regardless of whether it should or shouldn't be controversial, millions of people have strong opinions on it, and that's not good
Post by: IATA on September 30, 2017, 09:47:55 PM
She's probably from Calgary. Don't blame MB for that
That kind of queynte is definitely a product of Quebec.
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2017, 10:04:24 PM
Because it's a completely asinine opinion that a league shouldn't care about its employees protesting on the job. I don't give a excrement about people's stance on the issues, in an image driven advertising revenue based industry you don't want to alienate fans by publicizing relatively controversial stances. Regardless of whether it should or shouldn't be controversial, millions of people have strong opinions on it, and that's not goodYou're right, systematic racial inequality is not good.
Post by: Tommy on September 30, 2017, 10:06:00 PM
You're right, systematic racial inequality is not good.
Yeah, there's a disproportionate number of African Americans in the NFL. Someone should protest.
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2017, 10:06:46 PM
Yeah, there's a disproportionate number of African Americans in the NFL. Someone should protest.Go for it.
Post by: Tommy on September 30, 2017, 10:10:46 PM
Go for it.
Nah. Besides, if I were to speak out it would be against the NFL, I wouldn't blame the entire fuckn country. The players have every right to protest however they want, but I also have every right to call their style of protest and what they're protesting against retarded.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 30, 2017, 10:25:08 PM
You're right, systematic racial inequality is not good.
Completely irrelevant. Bringing controversy and politics into the league during nfl games is bad for the leagues image and advertising revenue. Even it you are 100% correct about systematic racism and all that, unless that's the leagues top priority (spoiler alert, it's not) it just ends up being off-putting to fans and advertisers which hurts the leagues bottom line.
Quite frankly I think all sports leagues should stay out of politics. Obviously players will have their own views and a large following to share their views, but the league shouldn't have them doing it during their games.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 30, 2017, 10:31:10 PM
If you march with people who are white supremacists, then you're a white supremacist. I'm not really sure where you're seeing a distinction here.
Does wanting to lynch black people make me racist? Does wanting to gas jew make me antisemitic? Does wanting to kill all gays make me a homophobe?
If you don't want to do any of the above, then why the freak would you march with a white supremist?
Lets face it Trump could have made a stand against those assholes and he chose not to because a good portion of the people that make up his supporters are good old boys that have either worn hoods, want to wear hoods or have many friends that wear hoods. He panders to the bottom to the barrel and that's why I hate the player of the pink oboe so much.
He pandered to them by not denouncing the Charlottesville idiots. Anyone that stands with those white supremicists is at best a freaking retard and at worst a card carrying wannabe Nazi. I am sorry he could have easily taken the high road and simply denounced them but chose not too. The fact he still has people eating nuggets of excrement from the palm of his hand is beyond my comprehension.
There's no grey area with Nazism, you're either with them or against them. You do nothing, you're giving tacit approval, you're a freaking Nazi. That's what allowed them to kill so many people when they did.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/arnold-schwarzenegger-to-neo-nazis-your-heroes-are-losers-w498410
In short, Trump is a disaster, has been a disaster and makes this country a laughing stock.
Post by: Badger on September 30, 2017, 11:29:38 PM
Completely irrelevant. Bringing controversy and politics into the league during nfl games is bad for the leagues image and advertising revenue. Even it you are 100% correct about systematic racism and all that, unless that's the leagues top priority (spoiler alert, it's not) it just ends up being off-putting to fans and advertisers which hurts the leagues bottom line.
Quite frankly I think all sports leagues should stay out of politics. Obviously players will have their own views and a large following to share their views, but the league shouldn't have them doing it during their games.
You are such a bootlicker it hurts. Somebody please think of their revenues!
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 01, 2017, 02:54:14 AM
Personally the whole need for the false Patriots to circle jerk about how they spend a Sunday in September doing something besides watching the NFL is super pathetic. I've been doing s better job "boycotting" the games this year than 90% of them just by having excrement to do.
Post by: sg3 on October 01, 2017, 06:28:07 AM
So youre saying the problem is a foreign national was able to become an American citizen too easily by circumventing American laws.No I think the problem is your consistantly ignorant posts here. Kudos..you are JO's trump
What's next...an attack on an American mayor waist deep in cholera filled flood sewage begging for help.
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Post by: dcm1602 on October 01, 2017, 07:29:09 AM
I can't help but think if there was a league where a bunch of JJ Watt clones were speaking about something DCM agrees with he would be making the exact opposite argument.
Personally the whole need for the false Patriots to circle jerk about how they spend a Sunday in September doing something besides watching the NFL is super pathetic. I've been doing s better job "boycotting" the games this year than 90% of them just by having excrement to do.
You are such a bootlicker it hurts. Somebody please think of their revenues!
It's a business. I don't know how you guys don't realize that alienating a portion of your viewership is had business. And the protest isn't just symbolizing systemic racism. A lot of it had to do with the police officers in America which people will associate with BLM and or some people thinking police are "bad". Regardless of how you want to frame the political argument of it all, alienating your viewers is a bad idea. Especially when fans if the league consists of basically all kinds of men who historically have a pretty even split when it comes to political leanings.
Not sure why you think I'd be arguing that a bunch of JJ Watts protesting would be good for the league. When you divide and push away viewers that's a bad thing. And just for the flip side if it was a bunch of Tim Tebows wanting to lead the stadium in a pregame prayer or some excrement I wouldn't be in support of that either. Leave football to being football, and leave the moronic rambling arguing nonsense to people watching The View
Post by: dcm1602 on October 01, 2017, 07:40:28 AM
No I think the problem is your consistantly ignorant posts here. Kudos..you are JO's trump
What's next...an attack on an American mayor waist deep in cholera filled flood sewage begging for help.
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Obnoxious certainly, but you realize you are by far the most ignorant (and obnoxious) poster here. I'll just argue anything because it's in my nature, but at least I'm willing to split the difference most of the time and realize that Trump and the right are frequently wrong as well. Hell if anything I'd say I attack the left far more than I'll defend the right because the right is completely excrement.
While you're just a completely delusional one sided rooster gobbler who has absolutely no interest in even seeing the issues let alone thinking about them. Your mind is entirely made up from the start on every issue and you are completely one sided.
Other people who are consistently on the left (ie JE) are capable of thinking and making a rational logical intelligent arguments to defend their points and realizing that not all issues are black and white. And most often a superior solution will be somewhere in the middle, but unfortunately there's zealots like you who just foam at the mouth and ramble with their extreme point of view
Post by: sg3 on October 01, 2017, 10:08:18 AM
Obnoxious certainly, but you realize you are by far the most ignorant (and obnoxious) poster here. I'll just argue anything because it's in my nature, but at least I'm willing to split the difference most of the time and realize that Trump and the right are frequently wrong as well. Hell if anything I'd say I attack the left far more than I'll defend the right because the right is completely excrement.Thanks Donald
While you're just a completely delusional one sided rooster gobbler who has absolutely no interest in even seeing the issues let alone thinking about them. Your mind is entirely made up from the start on every issue and you are completely one sided.
Other people who are consistently on the left (ie JE) are capable of thinking and making a rational logical intelligent arguments to defend their points and realizing that not all issues are black and white. And most often a superior solution will be somewhere in the middle, but unfortunately there's zealots like you who just foam at the mouth and ramble with their extreme point of view
Three long indecipherable paragraphs proving my point about you
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Post by: dcm1602 on October 01, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/20865444/inside-story-happened-players-took-control-nfl-national-anthem
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2017, 11:17:46 AM
Obnoxious certainly, but you realize you are by far the most ignorant (and obnoxious) poster here.
sg3 is an underappreciated comic genius.
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2017, 11:19:23 AM
sg3 is an underappreciated comic genius.stop making fun of the disabled
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2017, 11:27:20 AM
stop making fun of the disabled
Your underappreciation is showing.
Post by: sg3 on October 01, 2017, 11:32:26 AM
sg3 is an underappreciated comic genius.Why thank you, JE
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2017, 11:36:24 AM
sg3 is an underappreciated comic genius.
Yeah, no.
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2017, 11:51:56 AM
Your underappreciation is showing.he's about as funny as Saskatchewan
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2017, 12:14:58 PM
he's about as funny as Saskatchewan
You're still salty about Moron Butthole.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2017, 12:45:31 PM
You're still salty about Moron Butthole.
Hahahahahahah I’ll give him that one
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2017, 12:48:12 PM
You're still salty about Moron Butthole.might be time to bring back Pope
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2017, 01:36:27 PM
might be time to bring back Pope
He's not banned.
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2017, 01:45:18 PM
He's not banned.good...we can mod him
Post by: Badger on October 01, 2017, 10:21:22 PM
It's a business. I don't know how you guys don't realize that alienating a portion of your viewership is had business. And the protest isn't just symbolizing systemic racism. A lot of it had to do with the police officers in America which people will associate with BLM and or some people thinking police are "bad". Regardless of how you want to frame the political argument of it all, alienating your viewers is a bad idea. Especially when fans if the league consists of basically all kinds of men who historically have a pretty even split when it comes to political leanings.
Not sure why you think I'd be arguing that a bunch of JJ Watts protesting would be good for the league. When you divide and push away viewers that's a bad thing. And just for the flip side if it was a bunch of Tim Tebows wanting to lead the stadium in a pregame prayer or some excrement I wouldn't be in support of that either. Leave football to being football, and leave the moronic rambling arguing nonsense to people watching The View
You say that but you keep engaging in moronic rambling arguing nonsense.
Post by: sg3 on October 02, 2017, 04:47:39 AM
You say that but you keep engaging in moronic rambling arguing nonsense.+1
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Post by: Fenwyr on October 02, 2017, 06:15:51 PM
Trump turned it on it's head. There was literally no reason for him to say what he said. He got his ignorant inbred base into a lather, but there was no reason.
The NFL told him to go freak himself, ratings be damned. And that's a good thing.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2017, 07:25:20 PM
FFS dcm. The entire thing, if it ever really was a thing, was about racial inequality and the police. It was quiet, and not hurting anybody.
Trump turned it on it's head. There was literally no reason for him to say what he said. He got his ignorant inbred base into a lather, but there was no reason.
The NFL told him to go freak himself, ratings be damned. And that's a good thing.
The NFL also hushed the whole thing up and made it go away, the previous article mentions as much.
Im not disagreeing about Trump blowing it up into a national scandal. The argument was about whether the NFL should care or not about players protesting during their jobs during nfl league games (which includes the pregame)
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2017, 07:35:04 PM
The NFL also hushed the whole thing up and made it go away, the previous article mentions as much.
Im not disagreeing about Trump blowing it up into a national scandal. The argument was about whether the NFL should care or not about players protesting during their jobs during nfl league games (which includes the pregame)
You appear to be confusing NFL players with people who have real jobs. This isn't the mechanics at Jiffy Lube or the till operators at Chik-Fil-A we're talking about, the NFL can't just kick them onto the street and bring in a bunch of trainees who love God and guns and 'Murica the right amount. The players hold the power in this situation and everyone - except apparently you - knows it.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2017, 07:46:30 PM
You appear to be confusing NFL players with people who have real jobs. This isn't the mechanics at Jiffy Lube or the till operators at Chik-Fil-A we're talking about, the NFL can't just kick them onto the street and bring in a bunch of trainees who love God and guns and 'Murica the right amount. The players hold the power in this situation and everyone - except apparently you - knows it.
The players would hold the power if many of the fans, advertisers, and NFL werent on the same page. Notice how the players have been getting pelted with boos when they kneeled at every game ? And advertisers will almost certainly shy away from more controversial players. The NFL cant kick them to the curb, but billionaire business owners can make it much more ways in the world than NFL players can (who like 60% of go bankupt within several years of retirement)
And if the players have all the power, how come their protest went almost completely extinct after one week ?
This most recent week 52 players kneeled for the national anthem, and 30 of them were on the 49ers. Seems like even the players dont give a excrement, and they just wanted to make a point to spite Trump, and now theyre going back to not giving a freak.
In a week those whole thing will be ancient history
Post by: Tommy on October 02, 2017, 08:10:52 PM
The players would hold the power if many of the fans, advertisers, and NFL werent on the same page. Notice how the players have been getting pelted with boos when they kneeled at every game ? And advertisers will almost certainly shy away from more controversial players. The NFL cant kick them to the curb, but billionaire business owners can make it much more ways in the world than NFL players can (who like 60% of go bankupt within several years of retirement)
And if the players have all the power, how come their protest went almost completely extinct after one week ?
This most recent week 52 players kneeled for the national anthem, and 30 of them were on the 49ers. Seems like even the players dont give a excrement, and they just wanted to make a point to spite Trump, and now theyre going back to not giving a freak.
In a week those whole thing will be ancient history
You don't have to support the kneeling crap but you also don't have to pretend you're only against it because of the business implications. Let the owners worry about that.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 02, 2017, 08:16:13 PM
You don't have to support the kneeling crap but you also don't have to pretend you're only against it because of the business implications. Let the owners worry about that.
The business end has nothing to do with why im against it. The business end is why the league cares about the way their players behave and protest during games
Post by: Fenwyr on October 02, 2017, 09:51:35 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2017, 10:26:49 PM
It was one week because they were protesting Trump. They are adults and they moved on.
o rly
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2017, 06:46:48 AM
-This is tearing the league apart and could lead to the end of the NFL
-The whole thing will blow over in a week
-The players are powerless because some fans who still paid for tickets and showed up booed them
Post by: sg3 on October 03, 2017, 07:14:29 AM
dcm currently holding all the following positions:You forgot
-This is tearing the league apart and could lead to the end of the NFL
-The whole thing will blow over in a week
-The players are powerless because some fans who still paid for tickets and showed up booed them
1. The sky is blue
2. The sky is Orange
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2017, 08:15:15 AM
You forgot
1. The sky is blue
2. The sky is Orange
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Sky turns orange during sunset
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2017, 09:47:35 AM
Sky turns orange during sunsetYeah but it'll blow over in a few minutes.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 03, 2017, 02:26:39 PM
dcm currently holding all the following positions:
-This is tearing the league apart and could lead to the end of the NFL
-The whole thing will blow over in a week
-The players are powerless because some fans who still paid for tickets and showed up booed them
literally none of his posts make freaking sense, i LOL-ed at the third point you mentioned because i don't know how he didn't see how stupid/contradictory he would sound when he tried positing that 'point'
wtf is going on
going through hell and high water grasping at straws trying to make soft arguments against the protests without really stating why he is against the protests, which is that he doesn't believe blacks have a reason to protest
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2017, 04:28:29 PM
Bahahahahhahahhh
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2017, 04:29:29 PM
That’s a pure release.
Post by: Tommy on October 03, 2017, 04:44:34 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 03, 2017, 05:12:19 PM
literally none of his posts make freaking sense, i LOL-ed at the third point you mentioned because i don't know how he didn't see how stupid/contradictory he would sound when he tried positing that 'point'
wtf is going on
going through hell and high water grasping at straws trying to make soft arguments against the protests without really stating why he is against the protests, which is that he doesn't believe blacks have a reason to protest
Because fans can't not like the protest and stop watching while some will still show up to games. How freaking dense are you guys
And there's a big difference between people not wanting them to protest during games/the national anthem or thinking they don't have a reason.
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2017, 05:53:28 PM
Post by: sg3 on October 03, 2017, 06:48:38 PM
Guys, the week 4 ratings came in and the numbers are grim. Apparently the only people who watched the NFL this weekend were Al Sharpton and Chelsea Manning. CBS is pulling the remaining games off the air and playing Young Sheldon marathons instead. FOX will be airing a new reality semaphore competition called So You Think You Can Flag?Were those the ratings compiled by the dcmratings Inc.
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Post by: Tommy on October 03, 2017, 07:41:28 PM
Guys, the week 4 ratings came in and the numbers are grim. Apparently the only people who watched the NFL this weekend were Al Sharpton and Chelsea Manning. CBS is pulling the remaining games off the air and playing Young Sheldon marathons instead. FOX will be airing a new reality semaphore competition called So You Think You Can Flag?
Hahahaha
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2017, 10:23:27 PM
"What is your death count?" he asked as he turned to Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló. "17?"
"16," Rosselló answered.
"16 people certified," Trump said. "Sixteen people versus in the thousands. You can be very proud of all of your people and all of our people working together. Sixteen versus literally thousands of people. You can be very proud. Everybody watching can really be very proud of what's taken place in Puerto Rico."
According to FEMA, 1,833 people died in 2005 in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
Trump is the ultimate troll.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 03, 2017, 11:06:01 PM
Because fans can't not like the protest and stop watching while some will still show up to games. How freaking dense are you guys
And there's a big difference between people not wanting them to protest during games/the national anthem or thinking they don't have a reason.
Their purported reason is incredibly overblown.
Do we need criminal justice reform in this country, and better community policing in at risk areas? Without a doubt. Unequivocally, yes.
Are unarmed blacks being gunned down in the street by cops at a rate that warrants said protests? Not even close.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 04, 2017, 02:55:16 AM
Their purported reason is incredibly overblown.
Do we need criminal justice reform in this country, and better community policing in at risk areas? Without a doubt. Unequivocally, yes.
Are unarmed blacks being gunned down in the street by cops at a rate that warrants said protests? Not even close.
As the ultimate righty Patriot I assume you hold the founding fathers in a fairly high regard. The motherfuckers protested about way pettier bullshit than this and they were slightly more savage about it than taking a knee during a song.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 04, 2017, 05:59:31 AM
"Every death is a horror," Trump said, "but if you look at a real catastrophe like Katrina and you look at the tremendous -- hundreds and hundreds of people that died -- and you look at what happened here with, really, a storm that was just totally overpowering ... no one has ever seen anything like this."hoo-ha storm.
"What is your death count?" he asked as he turned to Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló. "17?"
"16," Rosselló answered.
"16 people certified," Trump said. "Sixteen people versus in the thousands. You can be very proud of all of your people and all of our people working together. Sixteen versus literally thousands of people. You can be very proud. Everybody watching can really be very proud of what's taken place in Puerto Rico."
According to FEMA, 1,833 people died in 2005 in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
Trump is the ultimate troll.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 04, 2017, 09:18:07 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 04, 2017, 09:23:07 AM
Motherfuck the piece of excrement living in the White House. I freaking hate him.
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Post by: Badger on October 04, 2017, 09:53:08 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 04, 2017, 11:06:51 AM
My sources tell me Tillerson is set to make an announcement today.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tillerson-weighed-quitting-july-amid-tensions-trump-nbc-124024768.html
Says he's staying. Probably not very happy though.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 04, 2017, 11:33:20 AM
He also clearly disagrees with the dimwit in chief regarding practically all foreign matters.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 04, 2017, 01:04:55 PM
As the ultimate righty Patriot I assume you hold the founding fathers in a fairly high regard. The motherfuckers protested about way pettier bullshit than this and they were slightly more savage about it than taking a knee during a song.
This is what a great response looks like.
Post by: JFIF on October 04, 2017, 07:58:28 PM
Guys, the week 4 ratings came in and the numbers are grim. Apparently the only people who watched the NFL this weekend were Al Sharpton and Chelsea Manning. CBS is pulling the remaining games off the air and playing Young Sheldon marathons instead. FOX will be airing a new reality semaphore competition called So You Think You Can Flag?
Well done
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2017, 08:40:18 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on October 04, 2017, 08:46:52 PM
As the ultimate righty Patriot I assume you hold the founding fathers in a fairly high regard. The motherfuckers protested about way pettier bullshit than this and they were slightly more savage about it than taking a knee during a song.
Wrong.
This is what a great response looks like.
Why don't you go back to your freaking coma.
Just kidding, good to see you.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 04, 2017, 11:32:27 PM
Wrong.
What a stinging rebuttal.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 05, 2017, 06:47:52 AM
What a stinging rebuttal.
You're the master of lengthy, non substantive claptrap, so I figured I'd at least keep it short. But forgive me if I don't think the "mass injustices" being protested against are as important as fighting to get out from under the yoke of an empire.
But then, you probably lump Ferguson, a total farce in with real instances that demanded attention and action, such as Garner and Castille.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 05, 2017, 07:01:20 AM
Post by: sg3 on October 05, 2017, 08:02:20 AM
TrumpIsAMoron isn't going anywhere to F things up
Just staying in the WH, watching FauxNews, tweeting angrily, preparing to fire staff tomorrow and packing his adult diapers for the upcoming weekend of
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Post by: Coach K on October 05, 2017, 09:55:14 AM
Guys, the week 4 ratings came in and the numbers are grim. Apparently the only people who watched the NFL this weekend were Al Sharpton and Chelsea Manning. CBS is pulling the remaining games off the air and playing Young Sheldon marathons instead. FOX will be airing a new reality semaphore competition called So You Think You Can Flag?
glorious
Post by: Coach K on October 05, 2017, 10:02:22 AM
we live in a country founded on a very violent revolution under the premise of improper taxing and a populace who felt like it was being left out of its own political process
and people are offended by a nonviolent protest?
people whove never served want to be Captain America now. I've got dozens of combat vet friends, if any of them disagree theyre not offended. You know who doesnt complain about the protest?
My black marine and special forces combat friends.
I would never kneel, however, I support freedom of speech and the meaning behind the protest. Even if i thnk it could be done better.
That being said, a good amount of racism and raging white people reacting to this only proves Kaepernick's initial point.
I was at a sports bar and it showed players kneeling. Someone said "we should cut their freaking heads off like ISIS!" thats that great apple pie, bald eagle, racist irony.
demanding change for this country doesnt mean you hate it and want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Another thing i wish people would understand
Post by: Coach K on October 05, 2017, 10:03:59 AM
funniest part is this whole movement was almost dead, till Emperor Sun God Trump decided to pander to that room in Bama.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 05, 2017, 04:59:25 PM
funniest part is this whole movement was almost dead, till Emperor Sun God Trump decided to pander to that room in Bama.
He can't help himself. He lives for that excrement.
Post by: sg3 on October 05, 2017, 05:10:16 PM
She was asked a Q about gun control and she said "We need time. Our Nation is in mourning."
She was right about the mourning But wrong about the timing. The vast majority of Americans have been in mourning since November 9, 2016.
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Post by: ukilledkenny on October 05, 2017, 05:50:21 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 05, 2017, 06:13:42 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 05, 2017, 06:46:43 PM
It will be amusing to see the NFLs response to Cam Newton being a sexist prick, while the nfl players (were, but gave up after a week) protesting racial injustice. I mean I guess racism is bad, but sexism is totally cool. Hell it took the league forever to make a stand against domestic violence, and even that's withered awayThe reporter made some racist comments a few years back, so I think they cancel each other out? I need to get out my conversion chart.
Post by: Tommy on October 05, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
I mean, the point is your patriotic heros started out protesting some pretty basic and petty stuff and it grew into a freaking revolution. That's how things change, one little stupid thing after another.
The problem I have with people invoking the founding fathers is how misguided both sides are about what their beliefs were. The founding fathers were protesting against a completely different form of government, not some petty crap. Though they created a constitution which allows protesting anything and the freedom to express your views. That goes for both sides.
The Supreme Court ultimately decides what constitutes free speech because they're the ones within the three branches who can interpret the constitution. Case in point: they struck down laws prohibiting desecration of the flag as a form of protest. We can all agree that's far worse than kneeling during the anthem. No one is saying that kneeling should be illegal (other than some crazies), but they're free to be offended by it and complain about it happening. Who cares? The whole point of protesting is to get your message across by attracting attention to it. Most people who protest aren't exactly the most well adjusted individuals anyway, unlike revolutions which involve a good chunk of the population with a genuine grievance about the government not a bunch of jobless hoodrats, millionaire athletes/stars who think they should be heard, or college students who can't get laid complaining about petty stuff they don't like. It's their right to do so, but it's also my right to call it misguided or dumb. That's in the constitution and the Supreme Court even agrees.
On the other hand, we have the gun issue. The other side of the aisle uses the founding fathers and their views at the time to point at the Second Amendment and how it protects everyone from having their right to bear arms taken away by the government. The far left criticizes the amendment as being antiquated and there's a debate about what it actually means. Both sides have their opinions just as they do with the First Amendment.
Free Speech to the Right means being able to say anything, except what they deem offensive which is what they consider to be disrespectful to the country (flag burning, kneeling during the anthem, etc). The Left is all for Free Speech except for cases where they feel "offended" by the form of speech and call it "racist" "hate-mongering" or whatever their precious ears can't handle. The Right thinks that Free Speech gives them the right to not have their country disrespected, and the Left thinks that Amendment gives them the right to not be offended by Speech they don't like.
Similar to the disagreements over the Freedom of Speech, both sides disagree with the Second Amendment. The Left feels that it's antiquated and should only protect people's right to buy a musket or whatever. The Right says that it means that we all have a right to have any weapon. Both sides evoke the founding fathers and what they had originally had in mind for the country. I personally feel that the Amendment isn't antiquated and was created for a reason: to ensure that people are armed in the off chance that the government tries to seize power and take rights away. Yeah, seems like a stretch in today's day and age, but who the hell knows? Some leftist nuts compare right wing presidents as being fascists, so they of all people should be stocking up on firearms. The weapon at the time that all militaries used was the musket. That's what the terms "arms" meant at the time. The founding fathers, in my opinion, felt that in order to prevent tyranny the same weapons used by the military should be available to the people. We're not talking tanks and apaches here, just the population of the 18th century weren't expected to create their own navies and buy cannons. The weapons of today's military and their capabilities far exceeds anything that can be publicly purchased by the people, but the stuff that is available is what the military uses. That was the whole point.
Anyway, that's my two cents. I think both sides are wrong about both subjects and we need to find some middle ground, or just let the Supreme Court decide and be done with it.
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2017, 08:11:34 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 05, 2017, 08:21:39 PM
https://theintercept.com/2017/10/05/colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protest-trump-nfl/
Quoted Shaun King and didn't prefice this statement with "supposed" or something else, which suggests that the author agrees that this is true:
Quote
COLIN KAEPERNICK’S PROTEST during the U.S. national anthem was originally intended to make a statement about state-sanctioned lethal violence against black people.
Will not read the rest.
But I do agree that Trump exacerbated the issue.
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2017, 08:57:11 PM
Quoted Shaun King and didn't prefice this statement with "supposed" or something else, which suggests that the author agrees that this is true:
Will not read the rest.
But I do agree that Trump exacerbated the issue.
I guess you would know better than Kaepernick why he started doing it.
Post by: Tommy on October 05, 2017, 09:23:27 PM
I guess you would know better than Kaepernick why he started doing it.
He said why he was doing it. Protesting "state sponsored oppression of black people" is essentially protesting something that doesn't exist.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 05, 2017, 09:32:32 PM
I mean, the point is your patriotic heros started out protesting some pretty basic and petty stuff and it grew into a freaking revolution. That's how things change, one little stupid thing after another.
My patriotic heroes?
John Adams should have all of our respect.
He said why he was doing it. Protesting "state sponsored oppression of black people" is essentially protesting something that doesn't exist.
Bingo.
As was previously stated, I'm not against kneeling, I just also have the right to have an opinion on it. I think the original motivation for kneeling was completely misguided.
Post by: Tommy on October 05, 2017, 09:41:12 PM
My patriotic heroes?
John Adams should have all of our respect.
Bingo.
As was previously stated, I'm not against kneeling, I just also have the right to have an opinion on it. I think the original motivation for kneeling was completely misguided.
Yeah. And many people don't want to criticize his protest because 1. They're afraid of being labeled a racist, or 2. They believe that his motivation for doing so is valid.
Classic case of "If the (opposite side) feels one way, I have to feel the other so as not to associate myself with them." Now that Trump spoke out against him suddenly everyone who hates Trump not only doesn't criticize Colin's dumb protest, but openly supports it and calls everyone who's against it racist. Same old song and dance.
People are so fuckn predictable these days.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 05, 2017, 10:55:04 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 05, 2017, 11:07:29 PM
It's Kapaernicks solemn right as an American to protest and my right to think he's a dick.
I should've just said this.
Post by: sg3 on October 06, 2017, 04:43:47 AM
It will be amusing to see the NFLs response to Cam Newton being a sexist prick, while the nfl players (were, but gave up after a week) protesting racial injustice. I mean I guess racism is bad, but sexism is totally cool. Hell it took the league forever to make a stand against domestic violence, and even that's withered awayIt will be way more amusing if you ever post anything that makes any sense at all
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Post by: dcm1602 on October 06, 2017, 05:27:51 AM
It will be way more amusing if you ever post anything that makes any sense at all
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Please reconsider suicide
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 06, 2017, 06:27:07 AM
Does this board really need 3 of you saying I can have an opinion too! Like you are blowing a 12 year olds mind?
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 06, 2017, 06:30:58 AM
Yeah. And many people don't want to criticize his protest because 1. They're afraid of being labeled a racist, or 2. They believe that his motivation for doing so is valid.
Classic case of "If the (opposite side) feels one way, I have to feel the other so as not to associate myself with them." Now that Trump spoke out against him suddenly everyone who hates Trump not only doesn't criticize Colin's dumb protest, but openly supports it and calls everyone who's against it racist. Same old song and dance.
People are so fuckn predictable these days.
You realize you are doing exactly the same thing right here and in most arguments that you state an opinion, get blasted and then say oh lol i dont care much hahaha!
Literally any social issue thread i could type you, JE, MJ, and fens opinion myself just from the subject.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 06, 2017, 06:58:15 AM
You realize you are doing exactly the same thing right here and in most arguments that you state an opinion, get blasted and then say oh lol i dont care much hahaha!Sound like a good thread idea. UKK predicts the answer. Legalizing prostitution nationwide. Go.
Literally any social issue thread i could type you, JE, MJ, and fens opinion myself just from the subject.
Post by: sg3 on October 06, 2017, 07:15:12 AM
Please reconsider suicideAnother post in your long list of unintelligible drooling
The good news
This spew is only 3 words not your usual 5 paragraphs of spew
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Post by: MBGreen on October 06, 2017, 07:31:35 AM
Please reconsider suicide
Another post in your long list of unintelligible drooling
The good news
This spew is only 3 words not your usual 5 paragraphs of spew
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you bozos realize we have a designated forum for this kind of banter, right? Feel free to kick each other in the nuts in there.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 06, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 06, 2017, 10:02:43 AM
The problem I have with people invoking the founding fathers is how misguided both sides are about what their beliefs were. The founding fathers were protesting against a completely different form of government, not some petty crap. Though they created a constitution which allows protesting anything and the freedom to express your views. That goes for both sides.
"People are wrong about what the revolutionaries were protesting."
"I'm wrong about what the revolutionaries were protesting."
They weren't protesting against a completely different form of government when they started. They were protesting their place within it. It took a long derriere time before independence was on the table, and that was largely the result of the British response to the protests. UKK specifically said their reasons for protest INITIALLY were pettier than the reasons for kneeling. Guess what? They were. People completely misunderstand the Sugar Act and the colonial response. It wasn't even a new tax. It was an extension designed to ensure that the colonists, instead of continuing to flout the law for their own benefit, helped the British economy that had actually settled them there in the first place and help pay for the freaking war they had started.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 06, 2017, 11:26:28 AM
"People are wrong about what the revolutionaries were protesting."
"I'm wrong about what the revolutionaries were protesting."
They weren't protesting against a completely different form of government when they started. They were protesting their place within it. It took a long derriere time before independence was on the table, and that was largely the result of the British response to the protests. UKK specifically said their reasons for protest INITIALLY were pettier than the reasons for kneeling. Guess what? They were. People completely misunderstand the Sugar Act and the colonial response. It wasn't even a new tax. It was an extension designed to ensure that the colonists, instead of continuing to flout the law for their own benefit, helped the British economy that had actually settled them there in the first place and help pay for the freaking war they had started.
None of these dudes took history past their freshman year since they think a class like that is a waste. They don't know.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 06, 2017, 11:43:53 AM
None of these dudes took history past their freshman year since they think a class like that is a waste. They don't know.
You not lumping me in with the not knowing history crowd? (lol the shoe fits response)
Anyway, I am more of a Civil War then Revolutionary war guy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 06, 2017, 12:13:54 PM
None of these dudes took history past their freshman year since they think a class like that is a waste. They don't know.
Lol
Post by: Tommy on October 06, 2017, 01:22:17 PM
None of these dudes took history past their freshman year since they think a class like that is a waste. They don't know.
Are you seriously bragging about the history courses you took in college? Unless you're a scholar, most of what we learn comes out of personal interest in the years following, and in different fields. For me that's Ancient Rome and World War 2. You can't claim to be an expert in "history" in general since that covers an unbelievable amount of topics.
You realize you are doing exactly the same thing right here and in most arguments that you state an opinion, get blasted and then say oh lol i dont care much hahaha!
Literally any social issue thread i could type you, JE, MJ, and fens opinion myself just from the subject.
I'd argue if I could.
"People are wrong about what the revolutionaries were protesting."
"I'm wrong about what the revolutionaries were protesting."
They weren't protesting against a completely different form of government when they started. They were protesting their place within it. It took a long derriere time before independence was on the table, and that was largely the result of the British response to the protests. UKK specifically said their reasons for protest INITIALLY were pettier than the reasons for kneeling. Guess what? They were. People completely misunderstand the Sugar Act and the colonial response. It wasn't even a new tax. It was an extension designed to ensure that the colonists, instead of continuing to flout the law for their own benefit, helped the British economy that had actually settled them there in the first place and help pay for the freaking war they had started.
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 06, 2017, 06:03:19 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 06, 2017, 06:53:51 PM
The look of confusion is completely unsurprising. It's adorable that you think the colonists went from 0 to No More Monarchy in one swoop.
I really didn't feel like writing a whole response. Of course I know that the entire revolution wasn't as black and white as "no taxation without representation blah blah". Way more complex than that. Hell its not like the average colonist benefited much with independence anyway, as you were only able to vote if you owned property. But anyway, we don't need this to be a history argument since you'd probably run laps around me on this subject - I've never been as interested in the revolutionary period.
Anyway, my point was that even though you could consider their initial protests as petty, it still isn't a good comparison with what Kaepernick was doing. Opposition to the Stamp Act was widespread and from what I've read essentially got all these wealthy landowners riled up and created a huge stir amongst the elite. I doubt the average joe at the time even know what the hell was going on.
Pointless argument regardless. I don't care.
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2017, 10:40:17 PM
He said why he was doing it. Protesting "state sponsored oppression of black people" is essentially protesting something that doesn't exist.
lol
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2017, 10:43:02 PM
You not lumping me in with the not knowing history crowd? (lol the shoe fits response)
Anyway, I am more of a Civil War then Revolutionary war guy.
Well yeah, obviously you're not able to remember the Revolutionary War since you weren't even born yet.
Post by: Tommy on October 06, 2017, 10:45:26 PM
lol
Okay, define "state sponsored" then.
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2017, 10:50:32 PM
Okay, define "state sponsored" then.
Why would I bother defending a straw man you just invented?
Post by: Tommy on October 06, 2017, 10:53:58 PM
Why would I bother defending a straw man you just invented?
It's the first line of the article:
Quote
COLIN KAEPERNICK’S PROTEST during the U.S. national anthem was originally intended to make a statement about state-sanctioned lethal violence against black people.
Sanctioned instead of "sponsored" but equally ridiculous.
You know that statement is absurd even if you won't admit it. You don't have to defend it.
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2017, 10:56:11 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 06, 2017, 11:20:54 PM
Yeah, sanctioned is probably too strong of a word. It's more like tacit endorsement.
Ha. You turned into such an idiot. Bring the old Badger back.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 07, 2017, 03:03:36 AM
I really didn't feel like writing a whole response. Of course I know that the entire revolution wasn't as black and white as "no taxation without representation blah blah". Way more complex than that. Hell its not like the average colonist benefited much with independence anyway, as you were only able to vote if you owned property. But anyway, we don't need this to be a history argument since you'd probably run laps around me on this subject - I've never been as interested in the revolutionary period.
Anyway, my point was that even though you could consider their initial protests as petty, it still isn't a good comparison with what Kaepernick was doing. Opposition to the Stamp Act was widespread and from what I've read essentially got all these wealthy landowners riled up and created a huge stir amongst the elite. I doubt the average joe at the time even know what the hell was going on.
Pointless argument regardless. I don't care.
It's weird, because you obviously do care. Just not enough to do anything besides disagree with points because you feel (irony) like they aren't right.
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2017, 08:13:54 AM
Ha. You turned into such an idiot. Bring the old Badger back.So how would you describe it when law enforcement uses unwarranted lethal force against black people and suffer no consequences? Just bad luck? Or did they all have it coming?
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2017, 08:28:50 AM
Post by: Tommy on October 07, 2017, 10:29:31 AM
So how would you describe it when law enforcement uses unwarranted lethal force against black people and suffer no consequences? Just bad luck? Or did they all have it coming?
Not going down this rabbit hole again. You're smart enough to know why what you're saying is ridiculous.
Post by: Tommy on October 07, 2017, 10:31:36 AM
And don't take it out on me just because you hitched your wagon to one of the biggest pieces of excrement to ever be president. It's gonna be a long 4 years if you think people are gonna stop dumping on him (and you).
I don't care what people say about him or if you want to break my balls about it. He ain't my father.
Post by: MBGreen on October 07, 2017, 11:28:16 AM
I don't care what people say about him or if you want to break my balls about it. He ain't my father.He ain't my father lol
you're the best, tommy.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 08, 2017, 07:30:01 AM
Not going down this rabbit hole again. You're smart enough to know why what you're saying is ridiculous.No, it's not. Not even remotely.
As long as white cops can kill unarmed black men without fear of consequences, it is state sponsored.
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2017, 08:45:53 PM
I don't care what people say about him or if you want to break my balls about it. He ain't my father.No, but he is your daddy, Milo.
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2017, 09:17:17 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLo1SsJUEAAKEj7.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLo1SsGUEAAi77b.jpg
Just think how much of your money he spent today on Secret Service work to demonstrate to you all just how much he loves America, and hates equality.
Post by: Tommy on October 08, 2017, 09:37:18 PM
So, that Mike Pence, eh? freaking virtue signalling shitstain, and doing it at your expense. I'll give you this, courtesy of /r/nfl:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLo1SsJUEAAKEj7.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLo1SsGUEAAi77b.jpg
Just think how much of your money he spent today on Secret Service work to demonstrate to you all just how much he loves America, and hates equality.
I don't see what's wrong with him posting an old picture of him and his wife in Colts gear in the stands from a few years ago. People do that excrement all the time.
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2017, 10:04:16 PM
I don't see what's wrong with him posting an old picture of him and his wife in Colts gear in the stands from a few years ago. People do that excrement all the time.Literally the only defensible part of his day. Everything else he did was trash.
Post by: Tommy on October 08, 2017, 10:13:29 PM
Literally the only defensible part of his day. Everything else he did was trash.
People knelt, he got offended, and then decided to leave. So what? He was grandstanding just as much as the players who knelt were.
Post by: Tommy on October 08, 2017, 10:24:47 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on October 09, 2017, 01:23:27 AM
Never mind I read more about it. Clearly a PR move. Both sides are being idiots now.You don't get it, and likely never will.
Post by: sg3 on October 09, 2017, 05:25:19 AM
So, that Mike Pence, eh? freaking virtue signalling shitstain, and doing it at your expense. I'll give you this, courtesy of /r/nfl:No argument about him being a hypicrite evangelical whose idea of Christian values is the precise opposite of those espoused by Jesus.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLo1SsJUEAAKEj7.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLo1SsGUEAAi77b.jpg
Just think how much of your money he spent today on Secret Service work to demonstrate to you all just how much he loves America, and hates equality.
Joel Osteen like
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Post by: mj2sexay on October 09, 2017, 05:29:37 AM
And don't take it out on me just because you hitched your wagon to one of the biggest pieces of excrement to ever be president. It's gonna be a long 4 years if you think people are gonna stop dumping on him (and you).
* 8 years.
People knelt, he got offended, and then decided to leave. So what? He was grandstanding just as much as the players who knelt were.
No, this was correct.
Let me understand this, the NFL players have a right to their protest, but Pence doesn't have the right when it happens to get up and leave?
The hypocrisy!
So, that Mike Pence, eh? freaking virtue signalling shitstain, and doing it at your expense. I'll give you this, courtesy of /r/nfl:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLo1SsJUEAAKEj7.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLo1SsGUEAAi77b.jpg
Just think how much of your money he spent today on Secret Service work to demonstrate to you all just how much he loves America, and hates equality.
So now anyone who disagrees with or has a problem with the NFL players protesting "hates equality."
This hyperbole is why the left will continue to lose.
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2017, 07:53:04 AM
Let me understand this, the NFL players have a right to their protest, but Pence doesn't have the right when it happens to get up and leave?
The hypocrisy!
How much taxpayer money did Pence's trip to the stadium cost?
Post by: mj2sexay on October 09, 2017, 08:28:17 AM
How much taxpayer money did Pence's trip to the stadium cost?
How much did the trip that he had planned to his home state for weeks cost? I have no idea, nor do I see how its relevant. So now Pence isn't allowed to try and enjoy an NFL game like many elected officials before him, or like he did for years as Indiana's governor?
NFL players elected to engage in their protest during our national anthem, no matter how much I think it's freaking stupid. That's their prerogative, and until the NFL says otherwise, they're free to do so. Unlike what the esteemed readership of thinkprogress and the like want you to believe, the government isn't about to legislatively interject and actually try and pass legislation demanding people stand for the anthem (though it wouldn't surprise me in the least if some bumpkin GOP congressman from Indiana or the like tries to introduce such a bill for a little national publicity.)
He obviously agrees, so he leaves, as is his right. But he's somehow in the wrong.
What am I missing here?
Of course it was a stunt. Sort of like this entire charade. Thats the whole point.
Tell me again how any protest that includes a black separatist symbol (the fist in the air) is somehow about equality.
No argument about him being a hypicrite evangelical whose idea of Christian values is the precise opposite of those espoused by Jesus.
Joel Osteen like
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Where'd you do seminary?
Post by: bojanglesman on October 09, 2017, 08:30:44 AM
If it were a Jets game, they could all sit in the upper deck, including tickets for all secret service, including free Tostitos (thank you for your service) for $100.
How much taxpayer money did Pence's trip to the stadium cost?
Post by: Fenwyr on October 09, 2017, 09:33:49 AM
His attack on the sons of bitches backfired on him bigly, and all those same racists are butt hurt.
'Them ni**ers are just supposed to entertain me. I didn't buy them to have independant thought dag nabbit!'
Post by: Johnny English on October 09, 2017, 09:42:27 AM
It wasn't really even a thing that was getting media attention anymore, until Trump made it a thing again, for no other reason that to rile up the racist portion of his base.
His attack on the sons of bitches backfired on him bigly, and all those same racists are butt hurt.
'Them ni**ers are just supposed to entertain me. I didn't buy them to have independant thought dag nabbit!'
Trump: "NASCAR drivers are my boys though, they love 'Murica and guns and Trump and hate protests!"
Dale Earnhardt Jr: "Hold my beer......"
Post by: Johnny English on October 09, 2017, 09:46:33 AM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 09, 2017, 09:50:21 AM
There is zero personal benefit for these players to protest. None. Kap would 100% be a backup in this league if he hadn't done it. Instead, not only did he kneel, he spent his time and money combating the very issues he's protesting. The players who followed? They've been reviled and have cost their teams money and put their own careers at risk. There is literally no reason for them to do this other than wholehearted belief in the injustice of a system that is automatically stacked against them to varying degrees (note the word varying here...not looking for the socioeconomic debate).
For Pence and Trump, meanwhile, they solidify their base, create a distraction for all of the problems they're having, and get to do it free of charge on the taxpayer's dime. I don't care that he used a photo from what was likely the last game he attended. He posted that before the game to show his excitement. That's a stupid thing to criticize. I care that the most powerful man in America and his VP are even engaging this issue, and that people even remotely consider the two sides equivalent on this. Ultimately, they're pissed off that people are willing to put their jobs at risk to kneel for what they believe in.
Post by: sg3 on October 09, 2017, 11:40:44 AM
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Where'd you do seminary?
Never
But I went to college and have read books. Let us know when you do either
And I don't get ALL my knowledge from Fox News, Breitbart, Sarah H Sanders and Trump rally transcripts as you do
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Post by: mj2sexay on October 09, 2017, 11:57:22 AM
Never
But I went to college and have read books. Let us know when you do either
And I don't get ALL my knowledge from Fox News, Breitbart, Sarah H Sanders and Trump rally transcripts as you do
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Hahahahahahahahaha.
Ultimately, they're pissed off that people are willing to put their jobs at risk to kneel for what they believe in.
Why can't people be angry because they see players who have been afforded the opportunity to make millions for playing a game in this country, and those players have decided to respond by disrespecting (that's the perception, i'm really not trying to debate whether taking a knee is disrespectful or not, though i think the raised fist in the air is ignorant) the very same?
Canada has a football league. Nothing is preventing these gentlemen from taking their talents to Toronto.
Post by: Johnny English on October 09, 2017, 12:15:39 PM
Canada has a football league. Nothing is preventing these gentlemen from taking their talents to Toronto.
Ah yes, the "if you don't like it then leave" argument. Come on, you can do better than that.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 09, 2017, 12:28:44 PM
Why can't people be angry because they see players who have been afforded the opportunity to make millions for playing a game in this country, and those players have decided to respond by disrespecting (that's the perception, i'm really not trying to debate whether taking a knee is disrespectful or not, though i think the raised fist in the air is ignorant) the very same?
Canada has a football league. Nothing is preventing these gentlemen from taking their talents to Toronto.
"Playing a game" belittles everything that these players do in order to excel in their sport. It's work, and anyone who uses that tired argument of "they're getting paid to play a game!" has no clue about what it actually takes to be a professional athlete in the NFL. Beyond that, the idea that they owe gratitude to the flag because they play in the league makes it sound like a gift rather than something earned. It's absurd, and I'm tired of hearing it. Somehow professional athletes and actors are 'allowed' to make money in this country. They don't earn it! It's a gift. People are absolutely clueless.
They have a job, which they are incredibly good at. In fact, it takes years and years of training to actually develop into someone who can handle that job. The job comes with risks to their health and lives, an intrusion into their personal lives, and criticism from people everywhere who couldn't possibly do the job they do. And people sit back and bitch that it's a gift to them and they should just be grateful and keep their mouths shut. They're overpaid. I could do what they do. It's easy for them. freak all of that. They are the best at something that all of us value enough to spend our time watching them do their jobs. If that doesn't earn them the right to have an opinion, then there's something seriously wrong.
Go ahead and pretend this is about the flag. The guys burning jerseys while they wear a shirt that's essentially a cut up and resewn American flag with holes in it to stick your arms, neck, torso, and buttons through. They're super respectful of the sanctity of that flag. The guys who display the flag of this country right next to the flag of a treasonous group who actually LEFT the country. They're super respectful of the sanctity of the flag. The guys who wish death to entire states symbolically represented by that flag (and yes, I got the kill 'em all comment about my own state from a group from Arkansas and Mississippi on a cruise out of New Orleans). They're super respectful of the sanctity of that flag.
freak them. I'll take a damn knee if I have to pick a group that actually gives a excrement about what's going on in this country.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 09, 2017, 12:50:41 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 09, 2017, 01:42:38 PM
I think the treat your country like you treat your child analogy is the best in this discussion. Too bad the two guys who need to hear it don't know how to care about anyone but themselves.
Trump apparently wants to freak at least one of his children, so it's still pretty apt.
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
Never
But I went to college and have read books. Let us know when you do either
And I don't get ALL my knowledge from Fox News, Breitbart, Sarah H Sanders and Trump rally transcripts as you do
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lemme guess. Degree in Semantics from the University of Farttawa
Post by: Tommy on October 09, 2017, 02:49:45 PM
You don't get it, and likely never will.
I watch sports and other forms of entertainment to get away from petty politics. I wish everyone would just shut the freak up about this crap. I don't understand why Hollywood celebrities, musicians, and sportsmen think people want to hear their dumbass opinions about what's going on in the world.
I wish this whole thing would die already.
Post by: sg3 on October 09, 2017, 03:47:13 PM
I watch sports and other forms of entertainment to get away from petty politics. I wish everyone would just shut the freak up about this crap. I don't understand why Hollywood celebrities, musicians, and sportsmen think people want to hear their dumbass opinions about what's going on in the world.Which thing?
I wish this whole thing would die already.
Trump?
Pence?
McConnell?
Ryan?
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 09, 2017, 03:51:43 PM
I watch sports and other forms of entertainment to get away from petty politics. I wish everyone would just shut the freak up about this crap. I don't understand why Hollywood celebrities, musicians, and sportsmen think people want to hear their dumbass opinions about what's going on in the world.
I wish this whole thing would die already.
You helped elect a Hollywood celebrity with dumbass opinions into office. You are never allowed to use that line again.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 09, 2017, 07:36:02 PM
You helped elect a Hollywood celebrity with dumbass opinions into office. You are never allowed to use that line again.
Hahahah
Post by: Tommy on October 09, 2017, 08:08:41 PM
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2017, 09:23:29 PM
How much did the trip that he had planned to his home state for weeks cost? I have no idea, nor do I see how its relevant. So now Pence isn't allowed to try and enjoy an NFL game like many elected officials before him, or like he did for years as Indiana's governor?
NFL players elected to engage in their protest during our national anthem, no matter how much I think it's freaking stupid. That's their prerogative, and until the NFL says otherwise, they're free to do so. Unlike what the esteemed readership of thinkprogress and the like want you to believe, the government isn't about to legislatively interject and actually try and pass legislation demanding people stand for the anthem (though it wouldn't surprise me in the least if some bumpkin GOP congressman from Indiana or the like tries to introduce such a bill for a little national publicity.)
He obviously agrees, so he leaves, as is his right. But he's somehow in the wrong.
What am I missing here?
Of course it was a stunt. Sort of like this entire charade. Thats the whole point.
Tell me again how any protest that includes a black separatist symbol (the fist in the air) is somehow about equality.
For a supposed libertarian you put a lot of effort into defending the worst aspects of American conservatism.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 10, 2017, 09:35:48 AM
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 10:18:57 AM
To be entirely honest, I don't get why the national anthem is played at non international sporting events at all. I've always thought it was like jerking off to yourself in the mirror at best, borderline propaganda/brainwashing at worst.It's just pregame pageantry. I don't even actively support the protest as much as I'm disgusted by the counter protest. If someone is against peaceful demonstrations like this they really need to examine why they're so easily upset by it or why they need to drag unrelated issues into it (YER DISREPEKKIN MUH TROOPS).
At best one can argue that it's an empty gesture but A. it's still not a good look to come out against anti-racism protests and B. they don't actually care or want them to make more meaningful gestures or take direct action to solve the problem, they just want them to be quiet.
Post by: sg3 on October 10, 2017, 10:51:23 AM
The MORON has challenged his own Secretary of State to an IQ test..
Catch
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 11:19:23 AM
To be entirely honest, I don't get why the national anthem is played at non international sporting events at all. I've always thought it was like jerking off to yourself in the mirror at best, borderline propaganda/brainwashing at worst.
We're the most secretly insecure country on the planet.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2017, 11:57:22 AM
It's just pregame pageantry. I don't even actively support the protest as much as I'm disgusted by the counter protest. If someone is against peaceful demonstrations like this they really need to examine why they're so easily upset by it or why they need to drag unrelated issues into it (YER DISREPEKKIN MUH TROOPS).
At best one can argue that it's an empty gesture but A. it's still not a good look to come out against anti-racism protests and B. they don't actually care or want them to make more meaningful gestures or take direct action to solve the problem, they just want them to be quiet.
I'm not big on protest from either side. But them protesting during NFL games is injecting politics into the league during games. And that's a bad thing. I wanna watch football, not listen to some faggots political views, that's what I have this board for.
Post by: sg3 on October 10, 2017, 12:09:44 PM
dcmb must only read his own hideous posts
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Post by: Fenwyr on October 10, 2017, 12:16:00 PM
We're the most secretly insecure country on the planet.This is a great observation.
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2017, 12:24:05 PM
I'm not big on protest from either side. But them protesting during NFL games is injecting politics into the league during games. And that's a bad thing. I wanna watch football, not listen to some faggots political views, that's what I have this board for.
Really sorry about this inconvenience that literally lasts less than 1 minute of the game. An inconvenience that you probably aren't even seeing because you're still getting ready for the game. I'll go speak to the minorities who are protesting and are still inconvenienced every day of their life by racism, and let them know this is bothering you.
I get the annoyance of politics peeking its head into everything these days, but get over yourself. In the grand scheme of things it barely, if at all, effects anything you're doing.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2017, 12:27:42 PM
And these poor guys making 10 million a year protesting how tough their lives are
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2017, 12:32:26 PM
And these poor guys making 10 million a year protesting how tough their lives are
This just exemplifies the mindset of right wing fuckwits like you. "What the freak are they protesting for? They're rich and doing fine. freaking hypocrites." The concept of someone recognising that there are other people in the world not doing as well as them, and that maybe there's something they can do to help, is utterly alien to you.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2017, 12:38:42 PM
This just exemplifies the mindset of right wing fuckwits like you. "What the freak are they protesting for? They're rich and doing fine. freaking hypocrites." The concept of someone recognising that there are other people in the world not doing as well as them, and that maybe there's something they can do to help, is utterly alien to you.
So concerned with others they started protesting only when Trump said something about Kaep. They don't give a freak about the issues this is about Trump opening his mouth and them getting butt hurt
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 12:41:38 PM
I'm not big on protest from either side. But them protesting during NFL games is injecting politics into the league during games. And that's a bad thing. I wanna watch football, not listen to some faggots political views, that's what I have this board for.It's super easy to ignore. It doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the game because I don't let it.
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 12:42:16 PM
faggots??It's a term of endearment here.
dcmb must only read his own hideous posts
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Post by: insanity on October 10, 2017, 12:49:48 PM
So you guys would be cool if they brought Tebow in to pray with the fans before every game?
And these poor guys making 10 million a year protesting how tough their lives are
Yes, Tebow kneeling annoys me, but I'm not going to protest and tell him he's being disrespectful to the rest of the country.
And to JE's point, this isn't just about NFL players it's about everyone.
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2017, 12:50:53 PM
So concerned with others they started protesting only when Trump said something about Kaep. They don't give a freak about the issues this is about Trump opening his mouth and them getting butt hurt
Nice strategy, change the argument when you're losing.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
Nice strategy, change the argument when you're losing.
It works for Junc
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 12:55:25 PM
Nice strategy, change the argument when you're losing.The entire ugly reaction to this is based on misrepresenting the original intent. So this is par for the course.
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 12:56:00 PM
It works for JuncExcuse me, but why do you hate America?
Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
Excuse me, but why do you hate America?
Sorry for the late response but I was burning my Jets gear while wearing my AMerican flag shorts.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 10, 2017, 01:21:29 PM
The entire ugly reaction to this is based on misrepresenting the original intent. So this is par for the course.
“The protest isn’t about the flag/anthem/military! You don’t understand the protest!”
So why choose to kneel during the anthem/flag ceremony, if that and the protest are unrelated? I can see how people are confused or not understanding the intent of the message.
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 01:49:32 PM
“The protest isn’t about the flag/anthem/military! You don’t understand the protest!”When should they protest that would make these people more comfortable? In the boiler room with the lights off during halftime?
So why choose to kneel during the anthem/flag ceremony, if that and the protest are unrelated? I can see how people are confused or not understanding the intent of the message.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2017, 01:56:33 PM
When should they protest that would make these people more comfortable? In the boiler room with the lights off during halftime?
Yes, that's perfectly acceptable.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2017, 02:10:33 PM
Nice strategy, change the argument when you're losing.
He brought up the they care about others, which they clearly don't give a freak about
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2017, 02:11:54 PM
He brought up the they care about others, which they clearly don't give a freak about
You are stunningly clueless about so much. Stop posting.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2017, 02:17:06 PM
You are stunningly clueless about so much. Stop posting.
I think he should post more actually.
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2017, 02:17:57 PM
I think he should post more actually.
He can go post in your board for that, the two of you can gibber at each other in there.
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2017, 02:18:10 PM
He brought up the they care about others, which they clearly don't give a freak about
Let me get this straight...
Argument #1: NFL players shouldn't protest during the game, and I don't want to see them protesting during the game.
Argument #2: Even though every player which protests during the game gets blasted by the media as being Anti-American, Anti-veteran, and Anti-white, not enough NFL players protest during the game which means they don't care.
Which one is it?
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Let me get this straight...
Argument #1: NFL players shouldn't protest during the game, and I don't want to see them protesting during the game.
Argument #2: Even though every player which protests during the game gets blasted by the media as being Anti-American, Anti-veteran, and Anti-white, not enough NFL players protest during the game which means they don't care.
Which one is it?
That's not argument two.
Argument two is tbe players didn't give a freak when Kaep was protecting, and had every opportunity in the world to get involved and plead their case. Then Donald Trump says something stupid about Kaep being a son of a bitch and suddenly they care?
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
That's not argument two.
Argument two is tbe players didn't give a freak when Kaep was protecting, and had every opportunity in the world to get involved and plead their case. Then Donald Trump says something stupid about Kaep being a son of a bitch and suddenly they care?
It is the same thing.
You're saying, not enough players kneeled with Kaep.
And what I'm saying is, as you can see (being someone who is opposed to this kneeling), there are repercussions to taking a stand from a job security standpoint, from a safety standpoint, and from a finance standpoint (amongst other things) for not only the player, but the player's family; parents, grandparents, spouse, and children. Just because someone isn't willing to sacrifice these liberties because they have other responsibilities which they deem more important, doesn't mean that they "do not care".
The whole idea that they need to sacrifice these liberties in order to make a stand is the reason people are protesting.
I'm not arguing that kneeling for the anthem can't be seen as disrespectful. I can understand people who share this opinion, but to start a counter protest in the violent way which as transpired in response to a silent, non-violent protest, is absolutely ludicrous.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 02:52:59 PM
It's just pregame pageantry. I don't even actively support the protest as much as I'm disgusted by the counter protest. If someone is against peaceful demonstrations like this they really need to examine why they're so easily upset by it or why they need to drag unrelated issues into it (YER DISREPEKKIN MUH TROOPS).
At best one can argue that it's an empty gesture but A. it's still not a good look to come out against anti-racism protests and B. they don't actually care or want them to make more meaningful gestures or take direct action to solve the problem, they just want them to be quiet.
I think the far left holds a monopoly on disgusting behavior when they hear or see things that they don't like. The counter protestors aren't throwing bricks into stores and burning excrement like those Antifa maniacs at Berkeley or the BLM morons destroying their own neighborhoods all in the name of "social protest".
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2017, 02:56:47 PM
I think the far left holds a monopoly on disgusting behavior when they hear or see things that they don't like.
You freaking what?
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Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 03:05:47 PM
When should they protest that would make these people more comfortable? In the boiler room with the lights off during halftime?
The guy gets interviewed on national TV. Wouldn't it have been easier to take the mic and say what he wants to say rather than kneeling during the anthem? By doing what he did he basically blamed the entire country (all of us) for whatever he thinks is a social injustice. That's the problem with these bullshit protests, their participants don't know who they're protesting against so they just pick everyone. Start a campaign, protest in front of city hall, don't fuckn get me involved.
His attention whorish actions did way more to harm whatever he thought his message was. People didn't like his protest, then all the social justice warriors hopped on his side and called anyone who doesn't support his protest "complicit" and "part of the problem". So now it turns into a fuckn shitshow. The ones who support him accuse the ones who don't to be racists and ignorant. How in the freak are you going to get people to become sympathetic to your cause with that bullshit?
We've become a country of pussies and faggots, and it's only going to get worse.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 03:09:06 PM
You freaking what?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/14/11/432FCC4A00000578-0-image-a-19_1502706355463.jpg)
Oh come on. A few hundred Neo-Nazis? You can do better than that.
Show me all those violent tea party protests then compare them to those antifa and other bullshit protests from the far left. Protests against Free Speech, mind you.
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
I think the far left holds a monopoly on disgusting behavior when they hear or see things that they don't like. The counter protestors aren't throwing bricks into stores and burning excrement like those Antifa maniacs at Berkeley or the BLM morons destroying their own neighborhoods all in the name of "social protest".*lights candle*
Please join me in a moment of silence for all the windows lost to far left violence. #glasslivesmatter
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Now back to the actual topic, which is how people are reacting to peaceful demonstrations.
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 03:18:24 PM
The guy gets interviewed on national TV. Wouldn't it have been easier to take the mic and say what he wants to say rather than kneeling during the anthem? By doing what he did he basically blamed the entire country (all of us) for whatever he thinks is a social injustice. That's the problem with these bullshit protests, their participants don't know who they're protesting against so they just pick everyone. Start a campaign, protest in front of city hall, don't fuckn get me involved.
Jeez, I thought only liberals had a victim complex.
STOP PERSECUTING MEEE
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2017, 03:25:17 PM
His attention whorish actions
Can you help me understand how he's an attention whore? The guy hasn't taken a tv interview in over a year because he didn't want the spotlight to be on him...
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 03:27:30 PM
Can you help me understand how he's an attention whore? The guy hasn't taken a tv interview in over a year because he didn't want the spotlight to be on him...We're resorting to ad hominem because the football man made me think uncomfortable thoughts.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 10, 2017, 03:30:50 PM
When should they protest that would make these people more comfortable? In the boiler room with the lights off during halftime?
I don’t think you answered my question.
It sounds like you’re saying the flag/anthem have nothing to do with the protest, the players are just using it as a vehicle to increase the exposure/reaction to their protest.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2017, 03:38:15 PM
He can go post in your board for that, the two of you can gibber at each other in there.I like gibbering at you much more, little people are so cute.
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2017, 03:39:59 PM
I like gibbering at you much more, little people are so cute.
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Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2017, 03:41:02 PM
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 03:42:09 PM
I don’t think you answered my question.Doing it during the anthem is both a symbolic and pragmatic time to protest a national problem.
It sounds like you’re saying the flag/anthem have nothing to do with the protest, the players are just using it as a vehicle to increase the exposure/reaction to their protest.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 03:55:23 PM
So you guys would be cool if they brought Tebow in to pray with the fans before every game?
And these poor guys making 10 million a year protesting how tough their lives are
They're not protesting for themselves, and they didn't come up with that kind of money. They know what others go through.
You're the guy in the 50s and 60s watching the white guy at a sit in and wondering why the freak he cares when he can eat at the lunch counter any time he wants.
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2017, 03:56:03 PM
Start a campaign, protest in front of city hall, don't fuckn get me involved.
I think you got your answer as to why he protests before the games. It's because you can't ignore it like a protest in front of city hall.
By doing what he did he basically blamed the entire country (all of us) for whatever he thinks is a social injustice.
No your narcissism and maybe guilt, chose to associate his desire to raise awareness to racial injustice as blaming yourself and "everyone". He actually isn't blaming anyone. He's raising awareness to a problem that needs to be addressed.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 03:56:26 PM
Yes, Tebow kneeling annoys me, but I'm not going to protest and tell him he's being disrespectful to the rest of the country.
And to JE's point, this isn't just about NFL players it's about everyone.
Clearly you don't remember when Obama called for Tebow to get fired for injecting religion into sport.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 10, 2017, 03:59:10 PM
Doing it during the anthem is both a symbolic and pragmatic time to protest a national problem.
Right, so the narrative that this protest doesn’t have anything to do with the flag/anthem is false. Glad we can all move past that and stop acting shocked when some people have a negative reaction to what they view as disrespect to our country. Not aimed at you.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 04:07:19 PM
Right, so the narrative that this protest doesn’t have anything to do with the flag/anthem is false. Glad we can all move past that and stop acting shocked when some people have a negative reaction to what they view as disrespectful to our country. Not aimed at you.
I don't think anything about it is shocking. The general reaction is frustration that people care more about protecting the sanctity of the flag at a football game than they do the lives of this country's citizens.
The national anthem sucks. We sing to a flag, about a flag, using a poem that was attached to a song from some stupid society because they realized the tempos fit. It's dreadful. Listening to it at sporting events sucks. Flag worship sucks. As long as we have to deal with it anyway, we might as well accept it as a good time for people to make silent political statements. You want to stop it? Go back all of 9 years and keep them in the locker room for the anthem. This time honored, sacred, decade-old tradition is totally unnecessary.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 10, 2017, 04:10:26 PM
I don't think anything about it is shocking. The general reaction is frustration that people care more about protecting the sanctity of the flag at a football game than they do the lives of this country's citizens.
The national anthem sucks. We sing to a flag, about a flag, using a poem that was attached to a song from some stupid society because they realized the tempos fit. It's dreadful. Listening to it at sporting events sucks. Flag worship sucks. As long as we have to deal with it anyway, we might as well accept it as a good time for people to make silent political statements. You want to stop it? Go back all of 9 years and keep them in the locker room for the anthem. This time honored, sacred, decade-old tradition is totally unnecessary.
I’m no flag warrior, but this is just your opinion. Not everyone else in America feels that way.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 04:12:31 PM
I’m no flag warrior, but this is just your opinion. Not everyone else in America feels that way.
Clearly. I don't particularly care, and I've always stood for the anthem and removed my hat because that's what everyone else is doing. It's just incredibly sad that people are so up in arms about the protest and don't care about what created the protest in the first place.
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2017, 04:28:33 PM
Right, so the narrative that this protest doesn’t have anything to do with the flag/anthem is false. Glad we can all move past that and stop acting shocked when some people have a negative reaction to what they view as disrespect to our country. Not aimed at you.
I don't understand your logic. Why can't you protest during the national anthem, without having your protest be about the national anthem.
That's like saying Brown vs the Board of Education was protesting the idea of education because they chose to protest segregation at schools rather than at a restaurant, store, or public bathroom. They chose to protest education because our children's education is a value people could connect with.
I’m no flag warrior, but this is just your opinion. Not everyone else in America feels that way.But, the discussion via the media has been amplifying this feeling amongst both sides.
Our country is founding on the values of freedom.
Freedom of speech
Freedom of religion
Freedom of press
Freedom to peaceably assemble and petition the government
The flag represents these values so he is bringing awareness during the anthem of the inequality he thinks is present in the U.S.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Clearly. I don't particularly care, and I've always stood for the anthem and removed my hat because that's what everyone else is doing. It's just incredibly sad that people are so up in arms about the protest and don't care about what created the protest in the first place.
Trump talking excrement about Kaepernick is what really created the protest. Before that it was a just a joke that like 4 people participated in
People need to stop pretending this is about injustice, and more about wah wah Trump hurt my feelings.
I'm not arguing that there aren't racial issues in the country and or issues with policing. But this is all about Trump
Post by: sg3 on October 10, 2017, 04:36:35 PM
I think the far left holds a monopoly on disgusting behavior when they hear or see things that they don't like. The counter protestors aren't throwing bricks into stores and burning excrement like those Antifa maniacs at Berkeley or the BLM morons destroying their own neighborhoods all in the name of "social protest".Except for that driving headlong into a crowd at 60MPH and murdering a young woman part.
But "some Neo Nazi white supremists are "fine people" at least in the weak low IQ brain of the MORON IN CHIEF
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Post by: sg3 on October 10, 2017, 04:43:26 PM
The guy gets interviewed on national TV. Wouldn't it have been easier to take the mic and say what he wants to say rather than kneeling during the anthem? By doing what he did he basically blamed the entire country (all of us) for whatever he thinks is a social injustice. That's the problem with these bullshit protests, their participants don't know who they're protesting against so they just pick everyone. Start a campaign, protest in front of city hall, don't fuckn get me involved.The biggest hoo-ha is the fat dumb reality show host working hard on murdering Americans in the Caribbean by focusing on really important things like golf, calling NFL players SOBs, attacking the Mayor of San Juan for begging for help and a GOP Senator and his Secretary of State for properly pointing out his mental unfitness for being President
His attention whorish actions did way more to harm whatever he thought his message was. People didn't like his protest, then all the social justice warriors hopped on his side and called anyone who doesn't support his protest "complicit" and "part of the problem". So now it turns into a fuckn shitshow. The ones who support him accuse the ones who don't to be racists and ignorant. How in the freak are you going to get people to become sympathetic to your cause with that bullshit?
We've become a country of pussies and faggots, and it's only going to get worse.
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 05:01:31 PM
Trump talking excrement about Kaepernick is what really created the protest. Before that it was a just a joke that like 4 people participated in
People need to stop pretending this is about injustice, and more about wah wah Trump hurt my feelings.
I'm not arguing that there aren't racial issues in the country and or issues with policing. But this is all about Trump
Trump absolutely exacerbated the protest. Hurt feelings are the wrong way to represent what followed, though. Before Trump, no one was forced to take sides. CK did what he believed in, and some people felt compelled to support him. Most were able to stay out of it, silently holding their opinions but unwilling to risk their jobs when there was no need to. People are often reluctant to stand up for what they believe in until an action is taken to silence those who are doing so. He prompted them to take action by shutting down something that they likely supported but weren't willing to risk their jobs over.
On a far grander scale that has been alluded to here, colonial protest against the British really didn't escalate until the British imposed such draconian measures against Boston. It would be absurd to suggest that the colonists who went from reluctant to avid supporters of rebellion did so because their feelings were hurt. They just weren't willing to put themselves at risk until they were forced to take sides.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 05:17:46 PM
Except for that driving headlong into a crowd at 60MPH and murdering a young woman part.
But "some Neo Nazi white supremists are "fine people" at least in the weak low IQ brain of the MORON IN CHIEF
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My point stands. The loony far left has a monopoly on ridiculous, whiny, and violent protests. Vandalism, instigating fights, and being annoying has been going on for years, and we can go as far back as when Dubya was elected. Of course, no one says anything about it because all those morons have to do is say that they're protesting "fascism" and "hate speech" and all is forgiven.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 05:21:51 PM
Clearly. I don't particularly care, and I've always stood for the anthem and removed my hat because that's what everyone else is doing. It's just incredibly sad that people are so up in arms about the protest and don't care about what created the protest in the first place.
I don't get what's wrong with people not liking CP's protest and being offended by it. As SFD said, some people hold the flag and anthem in high regard whatever their reasons. Why is one side allowed to be outraged and another side not? I'm not outraged by CP's kneeling, I just think it's stupid. Of course I get lumped into the "white people are trying to keep the black man from protesting lol" narrative. It's a double standard.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
I don't get
This is all you really needed to write.
These people are infuriated that he knelt during the anthem. After he admitted he was wrong to sit and consulted a Green Beret who said kneeling was appropriate and respectful.
What these people aren't infuriated by, in fact don't even recognize as a legitimate complaint, is the reason he's protesting. They're burning their gear and quitting as fans of the NFL because he doesn't like watching black people get killed by police and knelt during the anthem. These are not equivalent complaints.
You're right, though. You DON'T get it. Any of it. Anything. Ever.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 05:32:46 PM
My point stands. The loony far left has a monopoly on ridiculous, whiny, and violent protests. Vandalism, instigating fights, and being annoying has been going on for years, and we can go as far back as when Dubya was elected. Of course, no one says anything about it because all those morons have to do is say that they're protesting "fascism" and "hate speech" and all is forgiven.
Aren't you supposed to be all about economics? And you don't actually know what a monopoly is?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 06:25:28 PM
People wonder why there's no tolerance for certain viewpoints. This is why. If you look around yourself and are unhappy with the state of our country right now, just remember: this is what happens when you listen to Tommy.
Also, I'm starting to think dcm is basically a Tommy who doesn't rape things.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 10, 2017, 06:32:32 PM
You get retards in the White House, Nazis in the streets, racists frolicking unencumbered across the internet, massive hurricanes, wildfires, global warming, nuclear war, and just a general decline in the quality of life for everyone.
It's the end of the world as we know it...
Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2017, 06:41:34 PM
I've got to say, I used to shake my head and wonder why someone like Tommy existed and why there were people who thought his brand of clueless piece of excrement was amusing. Then last year happened, and the Trump campaign showed just how many piece of excrement racist, sexist, homophobic, waste of space poopchute retards there are in the country. And now we see what happens when you actually listen to people like Tommy. You get retards in the White House, Nazis in the streets, racists frolicking unencumbered across the internet, massive hurricanes, wildfires, global warming, nuclear war, and just a general decline in the quality of life for everyone.
People wonder why there's no tolerance for certain viewpoints. This is why. If you look around yourself and are unhappy with the state of our country right now, just remember: this is what happens when you listen to Tommy.
Also, I'm starting to think dcm is basically a Tommy who doesn't rape things.
Omg Hahaha
Post by: MBGreen on October 10, 2017, 06:43:40 PM
I've got to say, I used to shake my head and wonder why someone like Tommy existed and why there were people who thought his brand of clueless piece of excrement was amusing. Then last year happened, and the Trump campaign showed just how many piece of excrement racist, sexist, homophobic, waste of space poopchute retards there are in the country. And now we see what happens when you actually listen to people like Tommy. You get retards in the White House, Nazis in the streets, racists frolicking unencumbered across the internet, massive hurricanes, wildfires, global warming, nuclear war, and just a general decline in the quality of life for everyone.all the honks
People wonder why there's no tolerance for certain viewpoints. This is why. If you look around yourself and are unhappy with the state of our country right now, just remember: this is what happens when you listen to Tommy.
Also, I'm starting to think dcm is basically a Tommy who doesn't rape things.
Post by: insanity on October 10, 2017, 06:56:18 PM
I don't get what's wrong with people not liking CP's protest and being offended by it. As SFD said, some people hold the flag and anthem in high regard whatever their reasons. Why is one side allowed to be outraged and another side not? I'm not outraged by CP's kneeling, I just think it's stupid. Of course I get lumped into the "white people are trying to keep the black man from protesting lol" narrative. It's a double standard.
There is nothing wrong with people not liking his protest or being offended by it. You have a right to be offended, and you have a right to tell people you are offended by this.
There is something wrong with telling someone they can't protest because you were offended, and then proceed to make accusations and defame someone's character because you were offended
Colin Kaepernick didn't accuse all Police offers of being racist, Trump of hating minorities, White people of being bad. He sat during the anthem to bring awareness to an issue he thought needed attention. He was then told this was disrespectful and was asked to kneel by a Green Beret, and proceeded to do so. If asked about his protest he answered and told people his feelings about what was going on in America. To show he valued veterans and our freedom he stayed longer than any player after games to shake veterans hands and thank them for their service.
On the other hand, the media, Trump, and people who were against his protest told him he wasn't allowed to protest, that he was anti-american, anti-white, and anti-veteran. Our president even then called him a son of a bitch to a crowd full of people, all because he took a knew.
Do you see the difference?
If the repercussion of Colin's protest is he's out of a job because his baggage is not worth his value as a player, so be it. That is the result of his choice, I have no problem with that. But to tell someone he isn't allowed to protest because you don't agree with what he is protesting or how he is protesting, and then responding to your anger with accusations and name-calling (SOB) is wrong.
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 06:59:14 PM
My point stands. The loony far left has a monopoly on ridiculous, whiny, and violent protests.
You are wrong and this is still irrelevant to what we are discussing.
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 07:04:53 PM
I don't get what's wrong with people not liking CP's protest and being offended by it. As SFD said, some people hold the flag and anthem in high regard whatever their reasons. Why is one side allowed to be outraged and another side not? I'm not outraged by CP's kneeling, I just think it's stupid. Of course I get lumped into the "white people are trying to keep the black man from protesting lol" narrative. It's a double standard.
You have no one to blame but yourself for getting lumped in with them when you keep defending that side and attacking the other.
And what does the reactionary side have to be outraged about? The football man knelt during the song?
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 07:28:19 PM
I've got to say, I used to shake my head and wonder why someone like Tommy existed and why there were people who thought his brand of clueless piece of excrement was amusing. Then last year happened, and the Trump campaign showed just how many piece of excrement racist, sexist, homophobic, waste of space poopchute retards there are in the country. And now we see what happens when you actually listen to people like Tommy. You get retards in the White House, Nazis in the streets, racists frolicking unencumbered across the internet, massive hurricanes, wildfires, global warming, nuclear war, and just a general decline in the quality of life for everyone.
People wonder why there's no tolerance for certain viewpoints. This is why. If you look around yourself and are unhappy with the state of our country right now, just remember: this is what happens when you listen to Tommy.
Also, I'm starting to think dcm is basically a Tommy who doesn't rape things.
We've been through this plenty of times, so no reason to go in circles again. I've always said that I'm incredibly selfish and only care about myself, my family, and my friends. Next comes my country and Western values in general. That's it. Everyone grows up with some sort of disadvantage, and I don't spend time feeling sorry for those who would rather blame others for their shortcomings than try and do something about it. I also can't stand others trying to me make me feel guilty for being who I am, and supposedly having some sort of advantage over others. I hold a lot of firm beliefs that aren't going anywhere: no one has a right to not be offended; institutional racism doesn't exist; the white man isn't trying to keep women and minorities down; the left is increasingly becoming more fascist with their ideals, in that if you don't tow the line then you're labeled a racist or intolerant; people in general don't give a excrement what other people do as long as it doesn't affect them.
Calling me a racist pretty much ends any possibility for debate. How am I supposed to defend myself against that? I don't even try to anymore because I don't give a flying freak what people think about me and my ideals. You may think they're dumb, and that's your right.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 07:35:33 PM
There is nothing wrong with people not liking his protest or being offended by it. You have a right to be offended, and you have a right to tell people you are offended by this.
There is something wrong with telling someone they can't protest because you were offended, and then proceed to make accusations and defame someone's character because you were offended
Colin Kaepernick didn't accuse all Police offers of being racist, Trump of hating minorities, White people of being bad. He sat during the anthem to bring awareness to an issue he thought needed attention. He was then told this was disrespectful and was asked to kneel by a Green Beret, and proceeded to do so. If asked about his protest he answered and told people his feelings about what was going on in America. To show he valued veterans and our freedom he stayed longer than any player after games to shake veterans hands and thank them for their service.
On the other hand, the media, Trump, and people who were against his protest told him he wasn't allowed to protest, that he was anti-american, anti-white, and anti-veteran. Our president even then called him a son of a bitch to a crowd full of people, all because he took a knew.
Do you see the difference?
If the repercussion of Colin's protest is he's out of a job because his baggage is not worth his value as a player, so be it. That is the result of his choice, I have no problem with that. But to tell someone he isn't allowed to protest because you don't agree with what he is protesting or how he is protesting, and then responding to your anger with accusations and name-calling (SOB) is wrong.
I'm sorry, I forgot where kneeling during the anthem became illegal. When did this happen? Some people are offended and some people think it's dumb. So what? Counter-protesting Free Speech isn't a new thing. We've seen it at Berkeley and college campuses everywhere. Someone gets offended, rallies others who are also offended, and then they try to silence what offends them. I find it funny how the same people who are indignant about people being offended by protesting during the national anthem are the same people who try and snuff out "hate speech" or speakers whose views they deem offensive.
It's an incredible double standard.
Kaepernick and other NFL players are free to protest as they want, but people are free to be outraged and talk excrement. Right now it's just outrage and some morons burning their jerseys. Oh the horror. Call me when there are mass counter-protests and people burning cars and throwing eggs at the players protesting. From what I can see most people are just pissed, voice their opinions about the protest, and go about their day. Of course this then turns into "white men are trying to stop black people from protesting!"
Give me a break.
Post by: MBGreen on October 10, 2017, 07:36:27 PM
We've been through this plenty of times, so no reason to go in circles again. I've always said that I'm incredibly selfish and only care about myself, my family, and my friends. Next comes my country and Western values in general. That's it. Everyone grows up with some sort of disadvantage, and I don't spend time feeling sorry for those who would rather blame others for their shortcomings than try and do something about it. I also can't stand others trying to me make me feel guilty for being who I am, and supposedly having some sort of advantage over others. I hold a lot of firm beliefs that aren't going anywhere: no one has a right to not be offended; institutional racism doesn't exist; the white man isn't trying to keep women and minorities down; the left is increasingly becoming more fascist with their ideals, in that if you don't tow the line then you're labeled a racist or intolerant; people in general don't give a excrement what other people do as long as it doesn't affect them.IJR ain't your father
Calling me a racist pretty much ends any possibility for debate. How am I supposed to defend myself against that? I don't even try to anymore because I don't give a flying freak what people think about me and my ideals. You may think they're dumb, and that's your right.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 07:37:50 PM
You have no one to blame but yourself for getting lumped in with them when you keep defending that side and attacking the other.
And what does the reactionary side have to be outraged about? The football man knelt during the song?
I'm defending their right to be outraged. Should kneeing be made illegal? Of course not. Are teams allowed to not sign him because they think his protest is offensive and think he's a douche? Of course.
I don't understand why being against players kneeling during the anthem makes me Hitler. Get off your high horse.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 07:39:00 PM
IJR ain't your father
Well that's obvious. The guy likes calling me "daddy".
Post by: sg3 on October 10, 2017, 07:42:49 PM
My point stands. The loony far left has a monopoly on ridiculous, whiny, and violent protests. Vandalism, instigating fights, and being annoying has been going on for years, and we can go as far back as when Dubya was elected. Of course, no one says anything about it because all those morons have to do is say that they're protesting "fascism" and "hate speech" and all is forgiven.Your point is still ridiculous and inaccurate
Currently the primary one instigating fights attacking the innocent and his own party and generally being a bully and jerk is your hero, the Orange Monster
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Post by: dcm1602 on October 10, 2017, 07:42:52 PM
I've got to say, I used to shake my head and wonder why someone like Tommy existed and why there were people who thought his brand of clueless piece of excrement was amusing. Then last year happened, and the Trump campaign showed just how many piece of excrement racist, sexist, homophobic, waste of space poopchute retards there are in the country. And now we see what happens when you actually listen to people like Tommy. You get retards in the White House, Nazis in the streets, racists frolicking unencumbered across the internet, massive hurricanes, wildfires, global warming, nuclear war, and just a general decline in the quality of life for everyone.
People wonder why there's no tolerance for certain viewpoints. This is why. If you look around yourself and are unhappy with the state of our country right now, just remember: this is what happens when you listen to Tommy.
Also, I'm starting to think dcm is basically a Tommy who doesn't rape things.
I don't want to speak for Tommy, but most conservatives under 50 aren't homophobic or sexist any more than the rest of the country. Even global warming, I think many younger conservatives can get behind that it's real and needs to get combated. Should the United States subsidize it for the whole world like the Paris accords no, but do our part absolutely.
The right is extremely flawed, but there's a world of difference between older Bible thumpers and the many socially liberal conservative out there.
But let's not pretend the left is some beacon of tolerance either. The fact is both sides are absolutely completely filled with ignorant hateful idiotic horrible people. And until people realize that both sides are filled with terrible people and this whole left vs right thing makes it worse, nothing will get resolved.
If you split MOST issues down the middle, I think most people would be happier honestly
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Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 08:41:03 PM
I'm defending their right to be outraged. Should kneeing be made illegal? Of course not. Are teams allowed to not sign him because they think his protest is offensive and think he's a douche? Of course.
I don't understand why being against players kneeling during the anthem makes me Hitler. Get off your high horse.
But why do you hate black people?
Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 08:56:16 PM
But let's not pretend the left is some beacon of tolerance either. The fact is both sides are absolutely completely filled with ignorant hateful idiotic horrible people. And until people realize that both sides are filled with terrible people and this whole left vs right thing makes it worse, nothing will get resolved.
If you split MOST issues down the middle, I think most people would be happier honestly
This is the saddest argument.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 08:57:30 PM
But why do you hate black people?
lol
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 09:00:37 PM
Well that's obvious. The guy likes calling me "daddy".
Here's hoping you never hear that word.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 10, 2017, 09:04:15 PM
We've been through this plenty of times, so no reason to go in circles again. I've always said that I'm incredibly selfish and only care about myself, my family, and my friends. Next comes my country and Western values in general. That's it. Everyone grows up with some sort of disadvantage, and I don't spend time feeling sorry for those who would rather blame others for their shortcomings than try and do something about it. I also can't stand others trying to me make me feel guilty for being who I am, and supposedly having some sort of advantage over others. I hold a lot of firm beliefs that aren't going anywhere: no one has a right to not be offended; institutional racism doesn't exist; the white man isn't trying to keep women and minorities down; the left is increasingly becoming more fascist with their ideals, in that if you don't tow the line then you're labeled a racist or intolerant; people in general don't give a excrement what other people do as long as it doesn't affect them.
Calling me a racist pretty much ends any possibility for debate. How am I supposed to defend myself against that? I don't even try to anymore because I don't give a flying freak what people think about me and my ideals. You may think they're dumb, and that's your right.
If you cared about your family, friends, and country, you'd probably disappear. At least your boss was smart enough to realize when something is toxic and needs to be purged.
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2017, 09:05:44 PM
Here's hoping you never hear that word.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K00dc8NiIY0
Post by: reuben on October 10, 2017, 11:17:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K00dc8NiIY0
Alright then, now I'm gonna have to go find this movie.
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2017, 11:20:50 PM
Alright then, now I'm gonna have to go find this movie.
Have you never seen Scum? It's the movie that launched Ray Winstone's career, it's brilliant. Not an easy watch though. It's not a movie that will put a spring in your step for the rest of the day.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 10, 2017, 11:35:59 PM
Have you never seen Scum? It's the movie that launched Ray Winstone's career, it's brilliant. Not an easy watch though. It's not a movie that will put a spring in your step for the rest of the day.
Basically it could be called, " A conversation with Johnny English"?
Post by: ons on October 10, 2017, 11:38:58 PM
My point stands. The loony far left has a monopoly on ridiculous, whiny, and violent protests.
Michael Donald, a nineteen year old black kid from Mobile, Alabama, was lynched and his throat was slit in protest for an unrelated black man being acquitted of a crime in 1981. This was one of the last lynchings in the United States, effectively capping off a tradition that actively sought ought black Americans in order to kill and intimidate them into staying away from neighborhoods, jobs, and ballots. Literally thousands of black people were killed via lynch mobs. Most anti-lynching legislation in this country was never passed, and almost no one was ever prosecuted for any of those violent murders, let alone convicted.
Despite the horrible history of lynching, nooses have been hung on statues of black Americans as recently as 2014 as a sign of protest. Good thing Free Speech protects those noble, non-ridiculous, non-violent protesters.
Post by: ons on October 10, 2017, 11:41:56 PM
If you split MOST issues down the middle, I think most people would be happier honestly
If we split most of the issues down the middle in Saudi Arabia, would most people be happier? How about Norway? What if we split all of NYC's population's opinions down the middle and applied that to the rest of the country? Or all of the Mid-West's population's opinions and split those down the middle?
"Splitting issues down the middle" is a meaningless argument.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 11:45:07 PM
Michael Donald, a nineteen year old black kid from Mobile, Alabama, was lynched and his throat was slit in protest for an unrelated black man being acquitted of a crime in 1981. This was one of the last lynchings in the United States, effectively capping off a tradition that actively sought ought black Americans in order to kill and intimidate them into staying away from neighborhoods, jobs, and ballots. Literally thousands of black people were killed via lynch mobs. Most anti-lynching legislation in this country was never passed, and almost no one was ever prosecuted for any of those violent murders, let alone convicted.
Despite the horrible history of lynching, nooses have been hung on statues of black Americans as recently as 2014 as a sign of protest. Good thing Free Speech protects those noble, non-ridiculous, non-violent protesters.
Nice try. Sending someone a noose is considered a threat and isn't protected by Free Speech.
But yeah, please continue to list 30+ year old crimes to fit your narrative that America is still some hotbed for the KKK and Neo Nazis. We're talking maybe a few thousand scumbags across the entire country, and you're making it sound like we're in Berlin in 1938.
Post by: ons on October 10, 2017, 11:47:14 PM
But yeah, please continue to list 30+ year old crimes to fit your narrative that America is still some hotbed for the KKK and Neo Nazis.
Way to argue against a point I didn't make so you can continue to ignore when someone calls you out for writing things that are demonstrably wrong. What a sad victim complex.
Post by: ons on October 10, 2017, 11:51:05 PM
We're talking maybe a few thousand scumbags across the entire country, and you're making it sound like we're in Berlin in 1938.
Antifa violence defines left-wing protests but symbols that allude to a century of violent murders of black men that were systematically covered up/not prosecuted and were committed by white men are irrelevant when identifying American right-wing rhetoric. Makes perfect sense to me.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 11:51:08 PM
Way to argue against a point I didn't make so you can continue to ignore when someone calls you out for writing things that are demonstrably wrong. What a sad victim complex.
I don't have a victim complex. You're the one constantly pushing the narrative about how institutional racism is keeping African Americans down, and you, like many other people who aren't African American, love getting on that high horse and telling us all about the injustices in this country. It makes you feel good.
Post by: ons on October 10, 2017, 11:53:34 PM
I don't have a victim complex. You're the one constantly pushing the narrative about how institutional racism is keeping African Americans down, and you, like many other people who aren't African American, love getting on that high horse and telling us all about the injustices in this country. It makes you feel good.
No - I'm pushing the narrative that you're an idiot by claiming "the far left has a monopoly on ridiculous, whiny, and violent protests."
You are an idiot for ever putting that into writing and pathetic for trying to deflect instead of admitting you're being a moron.
Post by: Tommy on October 10, 2017, 11:59:40 PM
No - I'm pushing the narrative that you're an idiot by claiming "the far left has a monopoly on ridiculous, whiny, and violent protests."
You are an idiot for ever putting that into writing and pathetic for trying to deflect instead of admitting you're being a moron.
Obvious exaggeration but the vast majority of the butthurt people in this country protesting nonsense are those from the far left.
Post by: ons on October 11, 2017, 12:01:06 AM
Obvious exaggeration but the vast majority of the butthurt people in this country protesting nonsense are those from the far left.
So you're saying when you voted for Trump - a meaningless protest vote in NY, as you've commonly alluded to - it was in no way related to how "butthurt" you were about Obama and his cult of personality?
Also how can you possibly try to empirically prove that - or even believe that - without literally any evidence? You only feel like butthurt people protesting "nonsense" are far left because it creates a convenient justification for you to continue to feel like you're a reasonable person.
Post by: Tommy on October 11, 2017, 12:23:23 AM
So you're saying when you voted for Trump - a meaningless protest vote in NY, as you've commonly alluded to - it was in no way related to how "butthurt" you were about Obama and his cult of personality?
It wasn't a protest vote. I voted for Obama in 2012. I knew my vote didn't matter, but I liked Trump enough to take the time. Had nothing to do with Obama.
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Also how can you possibly try to empirically prove that - or even believe that - without literally any evidence? You only feel like butthurt people protesting "nonsense" are far left because it creates a convenient justification for you to continue to feel like you're a reasonable person.
Same way you're going on and on about how America is some racist society? You're doing the exact same thing. Just because you feel that your argument is noble and not selfish doesn't make you right.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 11, 2017, 03:15:21 AM
I think the far left holds a monopoly on disgusting behavior when they hear or see things that they don't like. The counter protestors aren't throwing bricks into stores and burning excrement like those Antifa maniacs at Berkeley or the BLM morons destroying their own neighborhoods all in the name of "social protest".Well, if we took the fight to poor white america, there would be nothing to throw bricks at or steal. BORING!
Post by: Fenwyr on October 11, 2017, 03:41:56 AM
We've been through this plenty of times, so no reason to go in circles again. I've always said that I'm incredibly selfish and only care about myself, my family, and my friends. Next comes my country and Western values in general. That's it. Everyone grows up with some sort of disadvantage, and I don't spend time feeling sorry for those who would rather blame others for their shortcomings than try and do something about it. I also can't stand others trying to me make me feel guilty for being who I am, and supposedly having some sort of advantage over others. I hold a lot of firm beliefs that aren't going anywhere: no one has a right to not be offended; institutional racism doesn't exist; the white man isn't trying to keep women and minorities down; the left is increasingly becoming more fascist with their ideals, in that if you don't tow the line then you're labeled a racist or intolerant; people in general don't give a excrement what other people do as long as it doesn't affect them.You can't be freaking serious man. Yes, institutional racism exists, and yes, old white men huddle in rooms to pass legislation to keep women and people of color down.
Calling me a racist pretty much ends any possibility for debate. How am I supposed to defend myself against that? I don't even try to anymore because I don't give a flying freak what people think about me and my ideals. You may think they're dumb, and that's your right.
Name a piece of republican legislation in the last 50 years that specifically helped women or people of color.
You love free market capitalism, and I'm not hating on you for that, even though I don't agree. But you are feeding the fire of crony capitalism just scratching for the bigger piece of cheese.
Sorry man, not happening. You are not old, white, or rich enough. But people like you will support this insane fever dream and ignore the reality.
You're not in the club, and you never will be. Not under the policies of the party you support.
Post by: sg3 on October 11, 2017, 05:07:11 AM
I don't want to speak for Tommy, but most conservatives under 50 aren't homophobic or sexist any more than the rest of the country. Even global warming, I think many younger conservatives can get behind that it's real and needs to get combated. Should the United States subsidize it for the whole world like the Paris accords no, but do our part absolutely.So in other words, as your hero President Hitler said about the torch wielding Nazis in Charlottesville, one of whom deliberately drove at high speed into a crowd murdering a young woman...
The right is extremely flawed, but there's a world of difference between older Bible thumpers and the many socially liberal conservative out there.
But let's not pretend the left is some beacon of tolerance either. The fact is both sides are absolutely completely filled with ignorant hateful idiotic horrible people. And until people realize that both sides are filled with terrible people and this whole left vs right thing makes it worse, nothing will get resolved.
If you split MOST issues down the middle, I think most people would be happier honestly
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Post by: Badger on October 11, 2017, 05:35:05 AM
I don't have a victim complex.
Sure you do.
WHEN KAEPERNICK KNEELS FOR THE ANTHEM HE'S BLAMING ME FOR RACISM BAWWW
Post by: mj2sexay on October 11, 2017, 06:19:09 AM
*lights candle*
Please join me in a moment of silence for all the windows lost to far left violence. #glasslivesmatter
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Now back to the actual topic, which is how people are reacting to peaceful demonstrations.
If only James Hodgekinson was a good shot. How many bodies would that Berner have piled up? But sure, its the right that owns a monopoly on violence, and the left only breaks glass. FFS.
This thread descended into absolute freaking drivel.
You can't be freaking serious man. Yes, institutional racism exists, and yes, old white men huddle in rooms to pass legislation to keep women and people of color down.
Name a piece of republican legislation in the last 50 years that specifically helped women or people of color.
You love free market capitalism, and I'm not hating on you for that, even though I don't agree. But you are feeding the fire of crony capitalism just scratching for the bigger piece of cheese.
Sorry man, not happening. You are not old, white, or rich enough. But people like you will support this insane fever dream and ignore the reality.
You're not in the club, and you never will be. Not under the policies of the party you support.
Like this for example. Straight from the derriere end of the comments section of The Hill or some other such rubbish site.
Post by: Badger on October 11, 2017, 07:56:31 AM
If only James Hodgekinson was a good shot. How many bodies would that Berner have piled up? But sure, its the right that owns a monopoly on violence, and the left only breaks glass. FFS.
If Tommy wanted to bring up that example he could have done it himself, he's a big boy who can make his own arguments. Instead he brought up the usual boogeymen of antifa and BLM. And once again, what does any of that have to do with the football man taking a knee?
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 11, 2017, 07:59:30 AM
Post by: Badger on October 11, 2017, 08:05:53 AM
Neither side owns a monopoly on violence. There are maniacs on both ends of the spectrum.OK, but have you considered GEORGE SOROS?
Post by: Fenwyr on October 11, 2017, 09:31:20 AM
Quote from: mj2sexay link=topic=3468.msg276791#msg276791
Like this for example. Straight from the derriere end of the comments section of The Hill or some other such rubbish site.
What the freak are you talking about?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 11, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politics/donald-trump-media-tweet/index.html
Post by: Johnny English on October 11, 2017, 05:05:36 PM
Trump has threatened to revoke NBC's broadcast license because he doesn't like their coverage of him. Holy excrement.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politics/donald-trump-media-tweet/index.html
Cons: in direct contravention of the First Amendment
Pros: no more Cris Collinsworth
It's a tough call.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 11, 2017, 05:30:55 PM
So you guys would be cool if they brought Tebow in to pray with the fans before every game?
And these poor guys making 10 million a year protesting how tough their lives are
I'd think it was dumb and wouldn't watch that part.
Yeah, that's all.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 11, 2017, 05:33:55 PM
I'd think it was dumb and wouldn't watch that part.
Yeah, that's all.
You don't think there would be a ton of left wing crazies ranting and rumbling and protesting value the injection of religion into sports? Because I'm quote confident there would be a big uproar
Hell how often did Tebow get attacked for his religious beliefs?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 11, 2017, 05:55:31 PM
You don't think there would be a ton of left wing crazies ranting and rumbling and protesting value the injection of religion into sports? Because I'm quote confident there would be a big uproar
Hell how often did Tebow get attacked for his religious beliefs?
Things I recall seeing after Tebow knelt:
Mockery. Lots of it.
Tebow getting called a harmless dopey guy
An internet movement for Tebowing.
Tebow, despite being a dreadful QB, getting signed by THREE additional teams
Tim Tebow going into broadcasting
Things I recall seeing after Colin knelt:
Death threats
Calls for him to get the hell out of America
Jerseys burning
The freaking President calling for players to lose their jobs
Nobody questioned Tebow's beliefs. They thought he was silly, but that's as far as it went, at least what I saw. CK has had his life threatened over what a lot of people say he shouldn't believe, doesn't believe and is faking, etc. Not even comparable except for the thin skinned cuntservative snowflakes.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 11, 2017, 06:07:50 PM
Just that people don't want politics and religions injected in their sports. Especially not during games. Use your fame and fortune however you want, but the league has every right to kick that excrement right out the door. And fans have every right to be upset when someone's trying to push their excrement on them
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 11, 2017, 07:25:17 PM
I'm not saying what Tebow dealt with is on the same level as CK at all, nor denying that there's a huge racist/hateful element in regards to CK as well.
Just that people don't want politics and religions injected in their sports. Especially not during games. Use your fame and fortune however you want, but the league has every right to kick that excrement right out the door. And fans have every right to be upset when someone's trying to push their excrement on them
That's funny, because you just said "there would be a ton of left wing crazies ranting and rumbling and protesting value the injection of religion into sports? Because I'm quote confident there would be a big uproar"
Funny thing is, we actually didn't have that. You are stretching so far to try to make this ok or justify it. It's not and you can't. This whole idea of "What if they brought Tebow in to pray with the fans?" They didn't bring anyone in to protest with the fans. The anthem was still played. The fans still stood. Many still sang. A few people down on the field knelt. It's so far from an equivalent situation that it's borderline lunacy.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 11, 2017, 07:35:15 PM
You don't think there would be a ton of left wing crazies ranting and rumbling and protesting value the injection of religion into sports? Because I'm quote confident there would be a big uproar
Hell how often did Tebow get attacked for his religious beliefs?
Go find me the 3 craziest Tebow tweets Obama made and we can talk you stupid freaking idiot.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 11, 2017, 07:36:11 PM
That's funny, because you just said "there would be a ton of left wing crazies ranting and rumbling and protesting value the injection of religion into sports? Because I'm quote confident there would be a big uproar"
Funny thing is, we actually didn't have that. You are stretching so far to try to make this ok or justify it. It's not and you can't. This whole idea of "What if they brought Tebow in to pray with the fans?" They didn't bring anyone in to protest with the fans. The anthem was still played. The fans still stood. Many still sang. A few people down on the field knelt. It's so far from an equivalent situation that it's borderline lunacy.
Well yes Tim Tebow painting religious crap under his eyes is quite a bit less controversial than cops are racist and murder black people because they are racist, so the response is a bit different.
Honestly I think its all bullshit and doesnt belong in the game. And yes that was a bad example on my part. But if Tebow was protesting against abortion during NFL games you would ABSOLUTELY have a fervent opposition. Thats something a little more controversial. Yes he had his stupid pro life commercial during a super bowl, but that wasnt actually a part of the NFL game it was 3rd party bullshit going through the appropriate channels. If Kaep and whoever wants to start buying ad time during games to say the racist police officers are murders, by all means.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 11, 2017, 07:37:25 PM
Go find me the 3 craziest Tebow tweets Obama made and we can talk you stupid freaking idiot.
I fail to see the relevance. Trump is an egotistical moron and a child. Nobody is disputing that here.
Has nothing to do with whether athletes should be protesting their views during games.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 11, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Well yes Tim Tebow painting religious crap under his eyes is quite a bit less controversial than cops are racist and murder black people because they are racist, so the response is a bit different.
Honestly I think its all bullshit and doesnt belong in the game. And yes that was a bad example on my part. But if Tebow was protesting against abortion during NFL games you would ABSOLUTELY have a fervent opposition. Thats something a little more controversial. Yes he had his stupid pro life commercial during a super bowl, but that wasnt actually a part of the NFL game it was 3rd party bullshit going through the appropriate channels. If Kaep and whoever wants to start buying ad time during games to say the racist police officers are murders, by all means.
Can you tell me what that would look like? Is it Tebow kneeling during the anthem? Because I doubt there'd be much vitriol at all if he did that and after said it was to protest abortion. I honestly can't picture it.
Post by: Johnny English on October 11, 2017, 07:52:50 PM
Yes he had his stupid pro life commercial during a super bowl, but that wasnt actually a part of the NFL game it was 3rd party bullshit going through the appropriate channels.
http://operations.nfl.com/media/2646/2017-playing-rules.pdf
Please point me to the section which defines the role that the anthem, or the players running out of the tunnel, or anything else that happens prior to kick off, play in their remit as being "a part of the NFL game".
Post by: dcm1602 on October 11, 2017, 07:53:24 PM
Can you tell me what that would look like? Is it Tebow kneeling during the anthem? Because I doubt there'd be much vitriol at all if he did that and after said it was to protest abortion. I honestly can't picture it.
Well part of it is the left would be less offended by flag kneeling than the right. But if he started just kneeling, then that turning into a segway with interviews it would be an uproar. Though the complaints would be more about his view points than actual kneeling.
Regardless keep politics off the field
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 11, 2017, 07:58:30 PM
Well part of it is the left would be less offended by flag kneeling than the right. But if he started just kneeling, then that turning into a segway with interviews it would be an uproar. Though the complaints would be more about his view points than actual kneeling.
Regardless keep politics off the field
You're right. The left tends to fall in line to support people whose rights and lives are being targeted. The right tends to fall in line to support flags and the hurt feelings of white men.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 11, 2017, 08:04:58 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 11, 2017, 08:21:38 PM
You're right. The left tends to fall in line to support people whose rights and lives are being targeted. The right tends to fall in line to support flags and the hurt feelings of white men.
Thats fantastic. Both sides still dont want to see the opposing sides views in their sports games. And sports would be better off with politics out of it.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 11, 2017, 08:36:11 PM
Cons: in direct contravention of the First Amendment
Pros: no more Cris Collinsworth
It's a tough call.
I am with Trump on this, getting rid of CC is worth trampling on the !st amendment.
Post by: Johnny English on October 11, 2017, 08:37:30 PM
I am with Trump on this, getting rid of CC is worth trampling on the !st amendment.
Listening to Cris Collinsworth is enough to make you wonder whether a right to free speech is really such a good idea after all.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 11, 2017, 08:42:18 PM
Listening to Cris Collinsworth is enough to make you wonder whether a right to free speech is really such a good idea after all.
Getting hit with a Chara slapshot in the face would be a more enjoyable experience.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 11, 2017, 10:50:15 PM
You're right. The left tends to fall in line to support people whose rights and lives are being targeted. The right tends to fall in line to support flags and the hurt feelings of white men.
Ah there's that faux virtuism that I love. This is absolute freaking hysterical nonsense.
Right up there with your assertion that no one was questioning Tebows beliefs, like the left wasn't absolutely ridiculing him for choosing to be overt about his religion.
The left really tends to support people whos bla bla bla as they have Presidents that enact criminal justice "reforms" to ensure that non-violent minorities get incarcerated at a rate that would make our freaking head spin. who the freak are you kidding?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 11, 2017, 11:26:09 PM
I 100% agree with IJR and others that the real issue is being ignored. That’s why I wish this protest could be manifested in a different manner that wouldn’t set people off. I’m hopeful but doubtful that the NFL can work towards something that satisfies both sides involved. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone (besides tommy) come out and say that they think that racism isn’t a problem and that they aren’t willing to listen to any solutions. I think that’s the main source of frustration, there’s a lot of protesting and blaming and shaming going on but not many solutions being offered up. That’s not going to do anything but drive people apart.
Post by: Tommy on October 12, 2017, 12:10:26 AM
Goddamn, end this stupid derriere argument. Please.
I 100% agree with IJR and others that the real issue is being ignored. That’s why I wish this protest could be manifested in a different manner that wouldn’t set people off. I’m hopeful but doubtful that the NFL can work towards something that satisfies both sides involved. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone (besides tommy) come out and say that they think that racism isn’t a problem and that they aren’t willing to listen to any solutions. I think that’s the main source of frustration, there’s a lot of protesting and blaming and shaming going on but not many solutions being offered up. That’s not going to do anything but drive people apart.
There are no solutions to racism because it isn't as big of an issue as people make it out to be. Maybe end arrest quotas in all police precincts? Where do you think the low hanging fruit is for them? It's not about race, it's statistics.
Post by: IATA on October 12, 2017, 07:49:30 AM
Trump threatens to pull FEMA from PR.
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He wrote in two separate tweets, "'Puerto Rico survived the Hurricanes, now a financial crisis looms largely of their own making.' says Sharyl Attkisson. A total lack of........accountability say the Governor. Electric and all infrastructure was disaster before hurricanes. Congress to decide how much to spend..."
He continued in a third tweet: "We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!"
What a leader.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 12, 2017, 08:15:57 AM
http://www.abc15.com/news/national/hurricane-maria-s-death-toll-increased-to-43-in-puerto-rico
Trump threatens to pull FEMA from PR.
What a leader.
It's not wrong. Puerto Rico was an absolute diasaster with serious issues before the hurricane. I was reading that if it was it's own country it would have been one of the poorest and most in debt countries in the entire world, and this was before the hurricane. Trump may have done a shitty job handling the hurricane, but from an economic perspective the hurricane was only the icing on the cake. The leadership and governship of Puerto Rico is absolute excrement and has run that place into the ground.
I remember when that stupid song became a hit, Despacito, it was being praised for helping prevent that economy from utter collapse by driving in tourism
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 12, 2017, 08:31:59 AM
Ah there's that faux virtuism that I love. This is absolute freaking hysterical nonsense.
Right up there with your assertion that no one was questioning Tebows beliefs, like the left wasn't absolutely ridiculing him for choosing to be overt about his religion.
Things I recall seeing after Tebow knelt:
Mockery. Lots of it.
Who's asserting what now?
Your problem is that you're such a snowflake hoo-ha that you think mockery is equivalent to death threats and the freaking president trying to take away your job.
Players knelt during the national anthem and people actually think it should cost them their jobs that they've worked for their whole lives. What a bunch of crybaby pussies. "He disrespected my flag by taking a knee! I'm gonna burn all my stuff!" freaking snowflakes.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 12, 2017, 08:36:02 AM
It's not wrong. Puerto Rico was an absolute diasaster with serious issues before the hurricane. I was reading that if it was it's own country it would have been one of the poorest and most in debt countries in the entire world, and this was before the hurricane. Trump may have done a shitty job handling the hurricane, but from an economic perspective the hurricane was only the icing on the cake. The leadership and governship of Puerto Rico is absolute excrement and has run that place into the ground.
I remember when that stupid song became a hit, Despacito, it was being praised for helping prevent that economy from utter collapse by driving in tourism
The funny thing about it is that we were talking about the legitimacy of the early colonial protests here. Part of the reason for a poor Puerto Rican economy is that the US has enacted a policy which is strikingly similar to the one that pissed off the American colonists to begin with. The impetus for revolution was largely borne on the backs of mercantilist shipping requirements.
Post by: Johnny English on October 12, 2017, 09:31:11 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 12, 2017, 01:37:06 PM
At what point will the right wake up and realize that he's doing everything he accused both his predecessor and his opponent of? One of Trump's big anti-Obama complaints was the use of executive orders. Yet, he signs them himself on an almost weekly basis.
What goes around comes around. For all that he's doing today, and that the GOP led Congress is trying to skirt rules and traditions, if/when Democrats retake power, the right is going to be pissed when the left uses the same tactics against them. I guess they're heavily relying on their gerrymandering efforts to prevent that.
Post by: Tommy on October 12, 2017, 02:25:00 PM
The funny thing about it is that we were talking about the legitimacy of the early colonial protests here. Part of the reason for a poor Puerto Rican economy is that the US has enacted a policy which is strikingly similar to the one that pissed off the American colonists to begin with. The impetus for revolution was largely borne on the backs of mercantilist shipping requirements.
No. The reason Puerto Rico is poor is because their local government mismanaged their finances for decades. Things were great when they benefited from tax exemptions, but once they lost them the government there suddenly realized that they can't function without issuing billions of dollars in debt. They're completely dependent on the federal government since they can't afford to pay anyone. This would be a time when issuing debt would help the local government if they didn't completely freak up their own economy and finances. Now they're in bankruptcy courts with creditors over the $120 billion in debt that they can no longer make interest payments on.
The politicians in PR want to point fingers and shift the blame, but without FEMA and federal funding they'd be royally fucked. It's like if your house burned down, you have no insurance, maxed out all your credit cards, and have no job.
FEMA is going broke and without a cash infusion they're not going to have the funding to help with relief efforts. The Trump administration already asks Congress to approve $29 billion in disaster aid, and a good chunk of it going to FEMA. (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-administration-asks-congress-29-billion-disaster-aid/)
What Trump meant was that the PR government needs to get their excrement in order because FEMA and other agencies can't fix all of the territories problems. He wants a cash infusion (essentially a partial bailout), but congress likely won't approve that. They will, however, approve the disaster relief funding from the article above which should help them solve this immediate crisis. After that it's up to their local government to work with the bankruptcy courts and their creditors to get their finances in check.
The mayor of San Juan can spout as much bullshit as she wants, but she and the rest of PR's local politicians have no one to blame but themselves.
But go ahead and run with your stupid colonial argument.
Post by: Tommy on October 12, 2017, 02:30:24 PM
It's not wrong. Puerto Rico was an absolute diasaster with serious issues before the hurricane. I was reading that if it was it's own country it would have been one of the poorest and most in debt countries in the entire world, and this was before the hurricane. Trump may have done a shitty job handling the hurricane, but from an economic perspective the hurricane was only the icing on the cake. The leadership and governship of Puerto Rico is absolute excrement and has run that place into the ground.
I remember when that stupid song became a hit, Despacito, it was being praised for helping prevent that economy from utter collapse by driving in tourism
Pretty much. Detroit went bankrupt for the same reasons: shitty local politicians who completely mismanaged their city's finances. PR is way worse, and it's not even close. They benefited from tax exemptions for decades and did absolutely nothing to invest in the territory's future. If you got paid your entire gross salary for a few years, then once you're back paying taxes you have no savings, have 20 maxed out credit cards, an expensive mortgage, and auto loans, would anyone feel sorry for you?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 12, 2017, 03:09:38 PM
No. The reason Puerto Rico is poor is because their local government mismanaged their finances for decades. Things were great when they benefited from tax exemptions, but once they lost them the government there suddenly realized that they can't function without issuing billions of dollars in debt. They're completely dependent on the federal government since they can't afford to pay anyone. This would be a time when issuing debt would help the local government if they didn't completely freak up their own economy and finances. Now they're in bankruptcy courts with creditors over the $120 billion in debt that they can no longer make interest payments on.
The politicians in PR want to point fingers and shift the blame, but without FEMA and federal funding they'd be royally fucked. It's like if your house burned down, you have no insurance, maxed out all your credit cards, and have no job.
FEMA is going broke and without a cash infusion they're not going to have the funding to help with relief efforts. The Trump administration already asks Congress to approve $29 billion in disaster aid, and a good chunk of it going to FEMA. (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-administration-asks-congress-29-billion-disaster-aid/)
What Trump meant was that the PR government needs to get their excrement in order because FEMA and other agencies can't fix all of the territories problems. He wants a cash infusion (essentially a partial bailout), but congress likely won't approve that. They will, however, approve the disaster relief funding from the article above which should help them solve this immediate crisis. After that it's up to their local government to work with the bankruptcy courts and their creditors to get their finances in check.
The mayor of San Juan can spout as much bullshit as she wants, but she and the rest of PR's local politicians have no one to blame but themselves.
But go ahead and run with your stupid colonial argument.
Someone doesn't understand what "part of" means. Got it. I brought up "part of" the reason because it was amusing given the discussion before.
You see, part of means that it isn't complete or whole. It could mean a small part (like when women say "Tommy looks like he only has part of a penis" or "Could be worse, I guess. At least Tommy got part of a brain") or it could mean a large part (like when people say "The fact Tommy exists is part of why I don't believe there's a God"). In this case, a small part of the reason for Puerto Rico's poverty was mentioned simply because it was amusing. Hope this helps.
Post by: Tommy on October 12, 2017, 03:21:42 PM
Someone doesn't understand what "part of" means. Got it. I brought up "part of" the reason because it was amusing given the discussion before.
You see, part of means that it isn't complete or whole. It could mean a small part (like when women say "Tommy looks like he only has part of a penis" or "Could be worse, I guess. At least Tommy got part of a brain") or it could mean a large part (like when people say "The fact Tommy exists is part of why I don't believe there's a God"). In this case, a small part of the reason for Puerto Rico's poverty was mentioned simply because it was amusing. Hope this helps.
Haha. Missed that part I guess.
Post by: Tommy on October 12, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
http://www.abc15.com/news/national/hurricane-maria-s-death-toll-increased-to-43-in-puerto-rico
Trump threatens to pull FEMA from PR.
What a leader.
1. Trump didn't threaten to pull FEMA.
2. See my post above.
3. Congress just approved the Trump administration's request for $29 billion in disaster aid PLUS $5 billion to fund a loan program for Puerto Rico to only be used to repair its infrastructure. Essentially giving them money to pay vendors since the territory is flat broke.
There are legitimate reasons to hate on Trump, so not sure why the media plays into his hands by twisting stories like these to generate clicks instead of reporting the actual news.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 12, 2017, 10:42:31 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 12, 2017, 11:17:11 PM
Before anyone explains PR's problems I am well aware and knew about their bonds long before they filed. excrement I used to buy/sell them way back when they were A-rated.
We should have let Louisiana/New Orleans people suffer because they did the same thing with borrowing and let Lake Pontchartrain degrade which caused much of the problem.
Should we let Illinois be fucked because they're doing it just as bad(ly) as PR and will be going down that road shortly.
There's a distinction here, Gov't sucks but that doesn't mean you excrement on the people. Flint Michigan is the same as is Detroit. Those problems were known for a long long long time.
The time to fix PR is now, right now. You can start over and fix it. There hasn't been a better time ever to fix that pooper.
Post by: Tommy on October 12, 2017, 11:46:05 PM
Just because PR has a excrement governemnt that fucked everything up, we should let their people suffer?
Before anyone explains PR's problems I am well aware and knew about their bonds long before they filed. excrement I used to buy/sell them way back when they were A-rated.
We should have let Louisiana/New Orleans people suffer because they did the same thing with borrowing and let Lake Pontchartrain degrade which caused much of the problem.
Should we let Illinois be fucked because they're doing it just as bad(ly) as PR and will be going down that road shortly.
There's a distinction here, Gov't sucks but that doesn't mean you excrement on the people. Flint Michigan is the same as is Detroit. Those problems were known for a long long long time.
The time to fix PR is now, right now. You can start over and fix it. There hasn't been a better time ever to fix that pooper.
Who said anything about not helping them? FEMA is there and Congress just approved more funding for FEMA so that they can see the job through. The problem isn't aid, it's the fact that PR can't do a single thing without the federal government's help. During Katrina, Sandy, and Irma the state and local governments were able to issue debt for disaster relief in addition to federal disaster aid. PR can't do that.
No one is saying that we shouldn't be helping them recover. I didn't hear a single opposition to that. The point is that their government has put the territory in a downward spiral and dug a massive hole for its people. This is why they're restructuring - they need guidance on how to manage their finances.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 13, 2017, 12:36:09 AM
Who said anything about not helping them? FEMA is there and Congress just approved more funding for FEMA so that they can see the job through. The problem isn't aid, it's the fact that PR can't do a single thing without the federal government's help. During Katrina, Sandy, and Irma the state and local governments were able to issue debt for disaster relief in addition to federal disaster aid. PR can't do that.
No one is saying that we shouldn't be helping them recover. I didn't hear a single opposition to that. The point is that their government has put the territory in a downward spiral and dug a massive hole for its people. This is why they're restructuring - they need guidance on how to manage their finances.
Do you know the history of the New York Transitional Finanace Authority? TFA bonds if you will?
Just curious....... There's similar authority set up for PR, Nassau etc. etc.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 13, 2017, 09:26:07 AM
California will be next on the too little too late agenda. The 6th largest economy in the world really needs to start considering their options. Holding back on money they send to DC would be a start.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 13, 2017, 09:47:12 AM
So Tommy is basically saying that PR was mismanaged like 90% of the continental red states. You know, the ones that are subsidized by federal funds provided by the blue states. Got it.
California will be next on the too little too late agenda. The 6th largest economy in the world really needs to start considering their options. Holding back on money they send to DC would be a start.
It borders on treason, but I've thought often lately about what would happen if the blue states decided to stop sending money to the federal government. One option would be employees in those states minimizing their payroll federal tax withholdings, which is legal (each person would have to be competent enough to not spend that money because at the end of the year you'd still be responsible for paying it).
It would choke the federal government. Again, it borders on treason because it's basically extortion, but it would be ridiculously effective. Personally, I'm sick and tired of propping up backwater redneck 'Merica while they elect everyone who makes policy I have to live with.
Post by: Tommy on October 13, 2017, 12:37:51 PM
So Tommy is basically saying that PR was mismanaged like 90% of the continental red states. You know, the ones that are subsidized by federal funds provided by the blue states. Got it.
California will be next on the too little too late agenda. The 6th largest economy in the world really needs to start considering their options. Holding back on money they send to DC would be a start.
Key and major difference: Puerto Ricans are exempt from paying federal income taxes. So when they were being subsidized the citizens didn't put anything in. That's the difference between being fully subsidized and only partially. Like if I needed $5k a month in full living expenses and only make $4k and you give me $1k to pay for my dinners, drinks, and entertainment. Another guy makes enough to cover bare necessities, but gets a full $5k from both of us. After a while we decide to no longer give him $5k a month, and it turns out he's now $50k in credit card debt and broke. Then he loses his job and turns out doesn't have any savings and can't take out another credit card. Wouldn't you want to know what he was doing with his $5k a month all those years?
Not sure why you're bringing that point up anyway, as I'm in total agreement (and so is the Trump Administration). Mnuchin and Mulvaney pretty much said it themselves:
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“We want to get the federal government out of the business of subsidizing the states.”
–Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, interview on ABC’s “This Week,” Oct. 1, 2017
“Here’s the simple pitch. If you and I make the exact same amount of money, we live in the exact same value of house, we have the same kind of car, our kids go to the same kind of schools, shouldn’t we pay the same federal income tax? The answer is yes, but the real world is no. If I live in a high tax state and you live in a low tax state, you actually pay more towards the federal government than I do. And that’s just not fair. It’s not right.”
–White House budget director Mick Mulvaney, interview on Fox Business Network, Sept. 29
Post by: dcm1602 on October 13, 2017, 01:12:35 PM
So Tommy is basically saying that PR was mismanaged like 90% of the continental red states. You know, the ones that are subsidized by federal funds provided by the blue states. Got it.
California will be next on the too little too late agenda. The 6th largest economy in the world really needs to start considering their options. Holding back on money they send to DC would be a start.
Any evidence that most of the continental red states are as impoverished and in debt as Puerto Rico? I mean we all know about Detroit and Chicago as utter diasasters but they're blue stronghavens
Post by: sg3 on October 13, 2017, 01:19:56 PM
Any evidence that most of the continental red states are as impoverished and in debt as Puerto Rico? I mean we all know about Detroit and Chicago as utter diasasters but they're blue stronghavensYou really have less than a zero clue about this or pretty much anything.
Virtually ALL of those blue states pay in way more revenue to the Federal Govt than they get back in services
The exact opposite is true for most underpopulated red states.
Buy a fact
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Post by: Tommy on October 13, 2017, 01:21:40 PM
Any evidence that most of the continental red states are as impoverished and in debt as Puerto Rico? I mean we all know about Detroit and Chicago as utter diasasters but they're blue stronghavens
Yeah it's one thing talking about richer states subsidizing poorer ones, but you can't pretend that blue states are all utopias either.
I also find it hilarious that a guy like Fen who's all about the rich paying their "fair share" has no problem with rich states no longer subsidizing poorer states because those poorer states just happen to hold different views.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2017, 01:44:44 PM
So Tommy is basically saying that PR was mismanaged like 90% of the continental red states. You know, the ones that are subsidized by federal funds provided by the blue states. Got it.
California will be next on the too little too late agenda. The 6th largest economy in the world really needs to start considering their options. Holding back on money they send to DC would be a start.
Receiving federal funds does not = the state is a mess. The red states you’re talking about are generally southern and Midwest states that have lower tax rates and a larger low income population. CT ranks near the bottom of the federal aid received category and the economy is in shambles. Why? Due to a history of rampant incompetence among decision makers.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 13, 2017, 04:01:00 PM
Receiving federal funds does not = the state is a mess. The red states you’re talking about are generally southern and Midwest states that have lower tax rates and a larger low income population. CT ranks near the bottom of the federal aid received category and the economy is in shambles. Why? Due to a history of rampant incompetence among decision makers.
This.
not to mention a lot of these "red" states are considered red whenever someone brings up these statistics, solely because they were carried by trump in the 2016 election. Michigan would be a red state. Detroit and Flint are utter cesspools and have been led by democrats for 50 years.
Post by: Johnny English on October 15, 2017, 11:44:46 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/investigations/undisclosed-deal-guaranteed-roy-moore-180000-a-year-for-part-time-work-at-charity/2017/10/11/5f56679e-a9de-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html
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Post by: Miamipuck on October 16, 2017, 12:49:11 AM
Post by: sg3 on October 16, 2017, 05:34:48 AM
I'm putting this here because Trump is stumping for him.Stealing and self dealing from a charity?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/investigations/undisclosed-deal-guaranteed-roy-moore-180000-a-year-for-part-time-work-at-charity/2017/10/11/5f56679e-a9de-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html
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Sort of like Rump grabbing piles of cash from son Eric's charity.
But no cries and screams from FauxNews and the GOP crooks in Congress of course
Still calling for investigations of the Clinton Fdn, Benghazi and "her emails" though
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Post by: Johnny English on October 16, 2017, 07:44:06 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-16/kushner-plan-for-fifth-avenue-tower-is-being-blocked-by-partner
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 17, 2017, 08:58:50 AM
Trump joked yesterday that VP Pence wants to hang all homosexuals. NBD.
freak this entire administration. freak every freaking GOP member in Washington.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2017, 09:13:09 AM
I guess one or the other is lying. If Trump really said that, he really shouldn't ever talk to humans.
Post by: sg3 on October 18, 2017, 10:33:36 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/17/politics/frederica-wilson-widow-fallen-soldier/index.htmlThe only thing that anything this fat lying pile of lard says PROVES is that he is an EFFING MORON
I guess one or the other is lying. If Trump really said that, he really shouldn't ever talk to humans.
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Post by: ukilledkenny on October 19, 2017, 05:47:54 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/17/politics/frederica-wilson-widow-fallen-soldier/index.html
I guess one or the other is lying. If Trump really said that, he really shouldn't ever talk to humans.
Even if he didn't say THAT, he said something close enough but I'm sure DCM or Tommy know what he really meant. And it was respectful!
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 19, 2017, 06:38:22 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 19, 2017, 07:41:08 AM
I have no doubts Trump probably said something stupid and insensitive possibly even completely inappropriate and jackassy. But you'd be just as stupid to not see there was some degree of a calculated political attack.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2017, 07:45:18 AM
Trumps an idiot and an poopchute nobody denys that. But isn't it a little suspicious that when Trump calls the widow of a slain soldier that she just happens to have a democratic congress woman there to listen to the whole call on speaker phone?
I have no doubts Trump probably said something stupid and insensitive possibly even completely inappropriate and jackassy. But you'd be just as stupid to not see there was some degree of a calculated political attack.
I think they are personal friends, that's why she was there. I don't think it was a planned/timed call, he called when she was in a limo. Unless the congresswoman was following her around 24/7, I don't think there was a way to arrange for her to be there, it was just coincidence.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 19, 2017, 07:57:26 AM
I think they are personal friends, that's why she was there. I don't think it was a planned/timed call, he called when she was in a limo. Unless the congresswoman was following her around 24/7, I don't think there was a way to arrange for her to be there, it was just coincidence.
Could the phone call not have been arranged? I mean I've never had a president call me, but I imagine the staff easily could have reached out and said the president would contact you between x and y hours.
I have no idea, but the whole thing is a little bizarre
Post by: bojanglesman on October 19, 2017, 07:59:35 AM
Could the phone call not have been arranged? I mean I've never had a president call me, but I imagine the staff easily could have reached out and said the president would contact you between x and y hours.I don't know. Both sides say they have proof, but unless it's a recording who knows. It's a shame this situation is getting paraded around.
I have no idea, but the whole thing is a little bizarre
Post by: dcm1602 on October 19, 2017, 08:05:53 AM
I don't know. Both sides say they have proof, but unless it's a recording who knows. It's a shame this situation is getting paraded around.
Well the white house has reasons to record Trumps calls. But if the other party has it recorded or something like that then it's 100% a full fledged setup
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 08:57:19 AM
This same person has been caught in numerous instances of fabrications [lies] in the 9+ months he's been in office.
But yeah, let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt. It had to have been a setup. That's the only thing that makes logical sense.
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2017, 09:17:40 AM
The same guy who lied and said previous Presidents didn't call widows, despite there being physical evidence to the contrary, says he has proof he didn't say what witnesses claim he said--but hasn't bothered to provide it.
This same person has been caught in numerous instances of fabrications [lies] in the 9+ months he's been in office.
But yeah, let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt. It had to have been a setup. That's the only thing that makes logical sense.
Of course he has proof. He keeps it in exactly the same place as he's keeping the proof he has of the Comey conversations.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 19, 2017, 09:35:23 AM
Trumps an idiot and an poopchute nobody denys that. But isn't it a little suspicious that when Trump calls the widow of a slain soldier that she just happens to have a democratic congress woman there to listen to the whole call on speaker phone?
I have no doubts Trump probably said something stupid and insensitive possibly even completely inappropriate and jackassy. But you'd be just as stupid to not see there was some degree of a calculated political attack.
You voted for and support an ego maniac with dementia. We are so far past things making sense so I guess it follows that you would go right to conspiracy like it's the 70's and they needed a whole team of IT people to record a call.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 09:54:44 AM
Of course he has proof. He keeps it in exactly the same place as he's keeping the proof he has of the Comey conversations.
And Obama's real birth certificate.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 19, 2017, 10:11:41 AM
You voted for and support an ego maniac with dementia. We are so far past things making sense so I guess it follows that you would go right to conspiracy like it's the 70's and they needed a whole team of IT people to record a call.
I voted for Trump?
And who said conspiracy, she freaking had a democratic congress woman sitting right next to her for a phonecall with the president. On what planet isn't that fishy
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 19, 2017, 02:34:38 PM
I voted for Trump?
And who said conspiracy, she freaking had a democratic congress woman sitting right next to her for a phonecall with the president. On what planet isn't that fishy
You aren't even defending a stupid decision with your Trump love? You're a weird dude.
You guys say everything regarding your boy is fishy. Something isn't true, it can't all be fake news unless the world is the Truman show.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 03:02:54 PM
Yes, Donald. The whole world is just conducting one big witch hunt targeting you. freaking queynte.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 19, 2017, 03:06:25 PM
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"Our identity as a nation, unlike other nations, is not determined by geography or ethnicity, by soil or blood. ... This means that people from every race, religion, ethnicity can be full and equally American," he said during remarks at the George W. Bush Institute in New York City. "It means that bigotry and white supremacy, in any form, is blasphemy against the American creed."
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"bigotry seems emboldened,"
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He brought up growing concerns over misinformation, saying politics seems "more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication."
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"The Russian government has made a project of turning Americans against each other," he said, adding that while Russian interference will not be successful, "foreign aggressions, including cyberattacks, disinformation and financial influence, should never be downplayed or tolerated."
Post by: Andrew Ryan on October 19, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 19, 2017, 08:54:31 PM
I voted for Trump?
And who said conspiracy, she freaking had a democratic congress woman sitting right next to her for a phonecall with the president. On what planet isn't that fishy
She's a congresswoman from the local district with the mother of a slain special forces soldier from the district. They were in the funeral procession, the only setup is in your stupid empty head. The district is the freaking hood and it's not huge, where do you expect the local congresswoman to be? Blowing Trump
For someone that goes out of his way to say he didn't vote for Trump (we know you did), you sure go that extra mile to defend him at every dumb opportunity.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2017, 09:57:35 PM
Trump is now accusing the FBI of treasonous collusion with Russia.
Yes, Donald. The whole world is just conducting one big witch hunt targeting you. freaking queynte.
To be fair, that’s kinda what you sounded like for the first few months after the election. Trump still not impeached as far as I can tell.
*I did not read what Trump said, freak knowingly subjecting myself to that excrement
Post by: mj2sexay on October 19, 2017, 10:39:58 PM
To be fair, that’s kinda what you sounded like for the first few months after the election. Trump still not impeached as far as I can tell.
*I did not read what Trump said, freak knowingly subjecting myself to that excrement
They still believe MUH RUSSIA. Its hilarious.
By the way, while I don't think its presidential to respond to every freaking news story on twitter, he was responding to this:
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
Also. On the subject of that freaking queynte from Florida using the death of a military member to score cheap political points because that's EXACTLY whats happened here, here's the full quote.
"He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war. And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this Earth, his friends."
Call it insensitive if you want, but this freaking hyperbole is insane. And this snatch congresswoman is so pro-military she voted against the last three freaking VA Accountability Acts for fucks sake.
Speaking of attacking gold star families, it was nice to see her attack John Kelly.
Post by: sg3 on October 20, 2017, 06:14:06 AM
They still believe MUH RUSSIA. Its hilarious.I apologize dcm. Until this post, I thought you were the most braindead trump loving right wing nutcase at JO
By the way, while I don't think its presidential to respond to every freaking news story on twitter, he was responding to this:
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration
Also. On the subject of that freaking queynte from Florida using the death of a military member to score cheap political points because that's EXACTLY whats happened here, here's the full quote.
"He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war. And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this Earth, his friends."
Call it insensitive if you want, but this freaking hyperbole is insane. And this snatch congresswoman is so pro-military she voted against the last three freaking VA Accountability Acts for fucks sake.
Speaking of attacking gold star families, it was nice to see her attack John Kelly.
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Post by: ukilledkenny on October 20, 2017, 06:37:17 AM
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2017, 08:08:35 AM
This why Republicans win elections and Democrats don't. Basically nobody, besides the full on left wing nuts, that reluctantly voted for Hillary would be rabidly defending her, nobdy on here I don't think. Only 3 guys on here actually liked Trump.and they would all jump on one leg all day if Trump said it was patriotic.The only people who rabidly defend Hillary are spineless centrists.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 20, 2017, 08:09:24 AM
This why Republicans win elections and Democrats don't. Basically nobody, besides the full on left wing nuts, that reluctantly voted for Hillary would be rabidly defending her, nobdy on here I don't think. Only 3 guys on here actually liked Trump.and they would all jump on one leg all day if Trump said it was patriotic.
Every stupid derriere thing he does is a left wing conspiracy. They're so afraid to call a spade a spade. Yeah fine Trump was cordial and respectful of the soldiers Mom. The Congresswoman is lying because she's a retard too.
I am so tired of this narrative. I hate Trump as I hate that all of what that congresswoman did in the past.
You know what, I am not so freaking stuck with an ideology where I can not recognize that there isn't a better answer than blindly following the right wing nut jobs of the Repubs and just because I don't, doesn't mean I therefore follow the left wing nut job. The arguments the right wing people put forth to justify the idiot in office make my head hurt.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2017, 09:21:07 AM
To be fair, that’s kinda what you sounded like for the first few months after the election. Trump still not impeached as far as I can tell.
*I did not read what Trump said, freak knowingly subjecting myself to that excrement
Russian interference happened. It's well documented, and Trump was basically saying it's a farce being created by the FBI and Russia to ruin his presidency.
Facebook and Twitter have admitted they allowed it to happen. Sessions admitted in front of Congress that the meetings the President swears didn't take place actually happened. Kushner admitted it to Congress too.
The only people who don't believe Russians influenced our election are people who willfully choose not to.
This why Republicans win elections and Democrats don't. Basically nobody, besides the full on left wing nuts, that reluctantly voted for Hillary would be rabidly defending her, nobdy on here I don't think. Only 3 guys on here actually liked Trump.and they would all jump on one leg all day if Trump said it was patriotic.
I voted for Hillary willingly and I wouldn't have gone to these lengths to defend her. It's mind-boggling.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 20, 2017, 09:40:16 AM
Russian interference happened. It's well documented, and Trump was basically saying it's a farce being created by the FBI and Russia to ruin his presidency.The last sentence, completely.
Facebook and Twitter have admitted they allowed it to happen. Sessions admitted in front of Congress that the meetings the President swears didn't take place actually happened. Kushner admitted it to Congress too.
The only people who don't believe Russians influenced our election are people who willfully choose not to.
I voted for Hillary willingly and I wouldn't have gone to these lengths to defend her. It's mind-boggling.
But I say that very well knowing that we would never have been talking about treason less that a year into her presidency.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2017, 09:47:59 AM
The last sentence, completely.
But I say that very well knowing that we would never have been talking about treason less that a year into her presidency.
What's even more amazing is that the one "big thing" the right attacked her for (government emails going through private servers) this administration has been caught doing! Literally, every single thing Trump points at other people about, he or his own people do.
It's ridiculous how often someone retweets something Trump tweeted during the Obama administration, and it's something he's currently doing himself.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 20, 2017, 09:56:42 AM
On another note, Trump's presser with the governor of PR yesterday was not surprisingly cringe worthy.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 20, 2017, 10:25:24 AM
So true.
On another note, Trump's presser with the governor of PR yesterday was not surprisingly cringe worthy.
That press conference was a 10. You'd have to say it was a 10. You'd say it was a 10, wouldn't you?
Post by: JFIF on October 21, 2017, 06:05:11 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 21, 2017, 08:33:52 PM
do any of you wake up feeling like the world might end todayNah...i live in Canada
Post by: bojanglesman on October 21, 2017, 08:46:16 PM
Nah...i live in CanadaYou're betting a lot on Kim Jong Un's ability to aim a rocket, neighbor.
Post by: MBGreen on October 21, 2017, 09:34:18 PM
You're betting a lot on Kim Jong Un's ability to aim a rocket, neighbor.he won't fire on us. The rest of the world likes Canada.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 21, 2017, 09:35:51 PM
he won't fire on us. The rest of the world likes Canada.My son aims for the toilet bowl. He hits the seat a lot.
Plus I hear Trump is installing a retractable nuke roof over America. The nuke will bounce off and all the nasty nukey juice will run down the side to Manitoba.
Post by: MBGreen on October 21, 2017, 09:54:58 PM
My son aims for the toilet bowl. He hits the seat a lot.Trump is too busy golfing.
Plus I hear Trump is installing a retractable nuke roof over America. The nuke will bounce off and all the nasty nukey juice will run down the side to Manitoba.
Manitoba is already contaminated...do your worst.
Post by: sg3 on October 22, 2017, 08:04:15 AM
Today is a hard day of work Golfing, watching FauxNews and attacking NFL players
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Post by: Laxin on October 22, 2017, 04:05:40 PM
What's even more amazing is that the one "big thing" the right attacked her for (government emails going through private servers) this administration has been caught doing! Literally, every single thing Trump points at other people about, he or his own people do.
It's ridiculous how often someone retweets something Trump tweeted during the Obama administration, and it's something he's currently doing himself.
The truth doesn't matter. Haven't you learned this?
Post by: Tommy on October 22, 2017, 05:47:13 PM
he won't fire on us. The rest of the world likes Canada.
North Korea not part of "the world". Besides, Canadian forces also fought with the U.S in the Korean War.
I blame the Clinton Administration with that ridiculous framework agreement and not taking a harder stance on NK's quest for a nuclear weapon.
Besides, there's absolutely nothing for a sovereign nation to gain by attacking another country with nukes in this day an age, least of all the United States. The chances are extremely remote because I'm assuming Kim Jong Un likes to live. I can't imagine Kim's generals standing idly by as the guy effectively decides to turn his county into a heap of ashes.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2017, 05:54:37 PM
North Korea not part of "the world". Besides, Canadian forces also fought with the U.S in the Korean War.sorry Tommy.....you're fucked. We'll sit this one out.
I blame the Clinton Administration with that ridiculous framework agreement and not taking a harder stance on NK's quest for a nuclear weapon.
Besides, there's absolutely nothing for a sovereign nation to gain by attacking another country with nukes in this day an age, least of all the United States. The chances are extremely remote because I'm assuming Kim Jong Un likes to live. I can't imagine Kim's generals standing idly by as the guy effectively decides to turn his county into a heap of ashes.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 22, 2017, 05:58:59 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 22, 2017, 05:59:30 PM
sorry Tommy.....you're fucked. We'll sit this one out.
bye
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 22, 2017, 06:08:16 PM
The bullshit he has been caught on record saying about American servicemen and the bullshit excuses people make for him - especially those coming from people who never have and never will serve in the military - is starting to convince me that most of these Republican voters don't actually give a excrement about the military, or at least not the actual people in it.
You're just a political shield to them my dude. A way to stifle and distract from any actual argument. Be safe.
Post by: MBGreen on October 22, 2017, 06:11:06 PM
byeenjoy the napalm
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 22, 2017, 06:15:07 PM
You're just a political shield to them my dude. A way to stifle and distract from any actual argument. Be safe.
Yeah that sounds right.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 23, 2017, 07:00:50 PM
While Trump has been adamant this is off the table, the idea has been floated which means its being discussed by some people.
That would probably be enough to sway me anything to the right for a long time.
Not to suggest the left is any better.
Its just a shame that cuts to Medicare and Social Security are off the table for both parties. Instead these dishonest ponzi schemes are drive up ridiculously large bills and just dump them on future generations. All about catering to the old vote, politicians dont give a freak about doing the right thing
Post by: IATA on October 23, 2017, 09:20:17 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 23, 2017, 09:23:05 PM
why is not cutting medicare and social security a bad thing? some stupid freaking horse excrement reasoning im sure, but im curious as to how stupid freaking horse excrement it will be
Please no.............
Post by: dcm1602 on October 23, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
why is not cutting medicare and social security a bad thing? some stupid freaking horse excrement reasoning im sure, but im curious as to how stupid freaking horse excrement it will be
Because its an unsustainable shitty mess thatll screw over young people to take care of old.
There will be 33% more people on social security in 10 years. and its not sustainable as is. Will only get much worse
That means benefits will go down, age will go up, and taxes will increase. Sounds like a heaping pile of excrement to anyone in their 20s 30s and maybe 40s.
Old people made this broken excrement, benefit, while young people get stuck with the bill while getting screwed on benefits
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 23, 2017, 09:32:15 PM
*hides from the wrath of the BOLSD*
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on October 24, 2017, 01:10:56 AM
Listen I’m no dcm but social security is a freaking sham
*hides from the wrath of the BOLSD*
Dude. That's his jerb, mmkay?
Post by: Fenwyr on October 24, 2017, 02:48:12 AM
That is a fund we have been paying into all our entire working lives, not a tax.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 24, 2017, 08:55:09 AM
If republicans would raise taxes on the wealthy to pay back the money they stole from social security, we wouldn't have a problem.
That is a fund we have been paying into all our entire working lives, not a tax.
It's a ponsi scheme. They paid for some it, they didn't pay for most of it.
Old people bitch about millenials being entitled, yet feel entitled to this broken bullshit they only partially paid for because they paid for a fraction of it
Social security was never paid for
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 24, 2017, 09:20:04 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 24, 2017, 09:24:44 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/small-montana-firm-lands-puerto-ricos-biggest-contract-to-get-the-power-back-on/2017/10/23/31cccc3e-b4d6-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html
Post by: Fenwyr on October 24, 2017, 10:09:28 AM
It's a ponsi scheme. They paid for some it, they didn't pay for most of it.Literally everything about this post is wrong.
Old people bitch about millenials being entitled, yet feel entitled to this broken bullshit they only partially paid for because they paid for a fraction of it
Social security was never paid for
Post by: Miamipuck on October 24, 2017, 10:24:58 AM
Literally everything about this post is wrong.
Yep
Post by: bojanglesman on October 24, 2017, 11:04:58 AM
http://www.newsweek.com/americans-scream-helplessly-sky-donald-trump-election-anniversary-690889
Post by: dcm1602 on October 24, 2017, 11:48:42 AM
Literally everything about this post is wrong.
Quote
Currently, the Social Security Board of Trustees projects program cost to rise by 2035 so that taxes will be enough to pay for only 75 percent of scheduled benefits. This increase in cost results from population aging, not because we are living longer, but because birth rates dropped from three to two children per woman. Importantly, this shortfall is basically stable after 2035; adjustments to taxes or benefits that offset the effects of the lower birth rate may restore solvency for the Social Security program on a sustainable basis for the foreseeable future.
https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v70n3/v70n3p111.html
But what does the chief actuary of the social agency know, compared to some dudes on a message board
Post by: sg3 on October 24, 2017, 01:53:33 PM
It's a ponsi scheme. They paid for some it, they didn't pay for most of it.Seriously
Old people bitch about millenials being entitled, yet feel entitled to this broken bullshit they only partially paid for because they paid for a fraction of it
Social security was never paid for
dcm just broke ALL JO records for most inaccurate and idiotic statement in US history.
Seriously he needs to be immediately hired by Fox News to add a fourth voice of inaccuracy to Douchey, Anus and Kilmeade
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Post by: Miamipuck on October 24, 2017, 03:24:15 PM
https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v70n3/v70n3p111.html
But what does the chief actuary of the social agency know, compared to some dudes on a message board
Hey Jackass, I am missing the Ponzi scheme part and your other patently stupid hypothesis. I mean this in the most disrespectful way possible, kill yourself.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 24, 2017, 03:30:27 PM
Hey Jackass, I am missing the Ponzi scheme part and your other patently stupid hypothesis. I mean this in the most disrespectful way possible, kill yourself.
A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒn.zi/; also a Ponzi game) is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator generates returns for older investors through revenue paid by new investors,
These people aren't paying for their social security, we the new investors are. Despite the fact that there's a significant shortfall. So these people are collecting their full social security for a fund that is partially funded. Is calling it a Ponzi scheme an obnoxious exaggeration sure. But it's inadequately funded according to the freaking actuary that heads it.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 24, 2017, 03:32:52 PM
A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒn.zi/; also a Ponzi game) is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator generates returns for older investors through revenue paid by new investors,
These people aren't paying for their social security, we the new investors are. Despite the fact that there's a significant shortfall. So these people are collecting their full social security for a fund that is partially funded. Is calling it a Ponzi scheme an obnoxious exaggeration sure. But it's inadequately funded according to the freaking actuary that heads it.
Should I post the definition of stupid and wrong? Diaf
Post by: Tommy on October 24, 2017, 03:43:05 PM
LOLOLOLOLOL. Nothing to see here, folks. Let the grifters grift in peace.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/small-montana-firm-lands-puerto-ricos-biggest-contract-to-get-the-power-back-on/2017/10/23/31cccc3e-b4d6-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html
It really annoys me when people jump to conclusions like this without bothering to look at the facts. First of all this is a territorial contract not a federal one, so the Trump admin has no say or pull on the bidding process, as it's all handled by the local government. In fact, there wasn't a bidding process at all because most large contractors simply don't want to take the job because there's no guarantee that they'll get paid. Many have already gotten screwed once PR went into bankruptcy protection. The first to get paid are the creditors, and contractors are way down on that list and pretty much get nothing.
Nothing to see here.
Post by: Tommy on October 24, 2017, 03:44:46 PM
Thought this might belong in idiot rage, but I didn't want to get yelled at if it wasn't perfectly idiot or rage. Definitely rage, but not necessarily idiot. I don't think. Anyway, it's Trump.
http://www.newsweek.com/americans-scream-helplessly-sky-donald-trump-election-anniversary-690889
This is definitely idiot rage.
Post by: Johnny English on October 24, 2017, 03:45:32 PM
It really annoys me when people jump to conclusions like this without bothering to look at the facts. First of all this is a territorial contract not a federal one, so the Trump admin has no say or pull on the bidding process, as it's all handled by the local government. In fact, there wasn't a bidding process at all because most large contractors simply don't want to take the job because there's no guarantee that they'll get paid. Many have already gotten screwed once PR went into bankruptcy protection. The first to get paid are the creditors, and contractors are way down on that list and pretty much get nothing.
Nothing to see here.
Riiiiiight. No say. No involvement. Gotcha.
(You know I've spent most of my career working on government contracts, right?)
Also, did you bother reading the story and understanding what the normal course of action is in such scenarios? freak all to do with "large contractors".
Post by: dcm1602 on October 24, 2017, 03:55:31 PM
The issue needs go be fixing the process for government contracts, instead of people being outraged over thus specific situation. Yes it's wrong and messed up, but every president does this excrement. Fix the cause instead of trying to have some outrage everytime it occurs
Post by: sg3 on October 24, 2017, 04:00:38 PM
Thank you for your service to this forum
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Post by: bojanglesman on October 24, 2017, 04:12:50 PM
A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒn.zi/; also a Ponzi game) is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator generates returns for older investors through revenue paid by new investors,
These people aren't paying for their social security, we the new investors are. Despite the fact that there's a significant shortfall. So these people are collecting their full social security for a fund that is partially funded. Is calling it a Ponzi scheme an obnoxious exaggeration sure. But it's inadequately funded according to the freaking actuary that heads it.
Has no older person ever paid into social security?
Post by: dcm1602 on October 24, 2017, 04:15:30 PM
Has no older person ever paid into social security?
They have, but they only paid a fraction. It's noted above the actuary of social security stating that it'll only be 75% funded by 2035. Which means they only paid a fraction of their cost, and the excess bill will just get dumped on younger generations.
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Post by: sg3 on October 24, 2017, 05:31:19 PM
They have, but they only paid a fraction. It's noted above the actuary of social security stating that it'll only be 75% funded by 2035. Which means they only paid a fraction of their cost, and the excess bill will just get dumped on younger generations.Did you ever hear of Insurance, dimwit
.
If a person buys a policy and dies the following week his premiums equal almost nothing compared with the amount paid.
For SS many Americans die before age 67 and get a very small payment compared with what they paid in every pay period they worked.
Its called insurance
Please do some learning before posting
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Post by: Miamipuck on October 24, 2017, 07:42:06 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 24, 2017, 07:46:17 PM
Lol 75% is better funding than half the pension systems in the United States. I suppose they're Ponzi schemes as well. What a freaking halfwit.
I'll take my chances with a 401k thanks
Post by: sg3 on October 24, 2017, 08:38:02 PM
I'll take my chances with a 401k thanksWhich absolutely proves Puck's point above
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Post by: Fenwyr on October 25, 2017, 12:13:34 AM
They have, but they only paid a fraction. It's noted above the actuary of social security stating that it'll only be 75% funded by 2035. Which means they only paid a fraction of their cost, and the excess bill will just get dumped on younger generations.Wage stagnation and republicans 'borrowing' from the fund are just as much, if not more responsible than shifting demographics.
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Increasing the contribution cap a bit would make it solvent for decades. So would paying the fund back and raising the minimum wage.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 25, 2017, 03:32:29 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 25, 2017, 05:26:40 AM
Wage stagnation and republicans 'borrowing' from the fund are just as much, if not more responsible than shifting demographics.
Increasing the contribution cap a bit would make it solvent for decades. So would paying the fund back and raising the minimum wage.
No
They said the birth rate was to blame
Post by: sg3 on October 25, 2017, 09:11:12 AM
NoWho's "they"?
They said the birth rate was to blame
Fox News
Newsmax
OAN
Breitbart
All of Above
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Post by: dcm1602 on October 25, 2017, 09:20:56 AM
Who's "they"?
Fox News
Newsmax
OAN
Breitbart
All of Above
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The actuary of the social security agency
Which I both linked and quoted above
Now you can go kill yourself
Post by: Fenwyr on October 25, 2017, 09:46:11 AM
NoEven you aren't this dense.
They said the birth rate was to blame
Yes, without legislation, the birthrate is the primary driver.
However, legislation could:
Pay the damn fund back
Raise the contibution cap
Raise the minimum wage
Any of these would offset the birthrate. And all of them are no brainers, which is why republicans will fight any such legislation.
Post by: Johnny English on October 25, 2017, 09:59:21 AM
Even you aren't this dense.
Yes, without legislation, the birthrate is the primary driver.
However, legislation could:
Pay the damn fund back
Raise the contibution cap
Raise the minimum wage
Any of these would offset the birthrate. And all of them are no brainers, which is why republicans will fight any such legislation.
Lifted directly from dcm's link:
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Importantly, this shortfall is basically stable after 2035; adjustments to taxes or benefits that offset the effects of the lower birth rate may restore solvency for the Social Security program on a sustainable basis for the foreseeable future.
He obviously chose not to mention that part.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 25, 2017, 10:02:34 AM
Lifted directly from dcm's link:
He obviously chose not to mention that part.
That part was exactly the discussion we were having. They would have to either raise taxes to pay for it or cut benefits because it's not paid for.
Therefore young people are getting screwed having by social security while older folks benefit.
Post by: Johnny English on October 25, 2017, 10:41:31 AM
That part was exactly the discussion we were having. They would have to either raise taxes to pay for it or cut benefits because it's not paid for.
Therefore young people are getting screwed having by social security while older folks benefit.
But you know that that's absolutely nothing like a ponzi scheme, right?
Post by: dcm1602 on October 25, 2017, 10:44:08 AM
But you know that that's absolutely nothing like a ponzi scheme, right?
Depending on an increased number of new investors, for the initial investors to get a return, and there not being sufficient money to pay them. Sounds an awful lot like a Ponzi scheme.
Raising taxes and cutting benefits has nothing to do with a Ponzi scheme though.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 25, 2017, 11:50:03 AM
This is post-Equifax. For those that don't remember (or didn't know), Equifax buried some fine print on their website that would bind anyone to arbitration who even looked on their site to see if they were affected by the breach. The user was explicitly giving up the right to join a class-action suit just by viewing the website to see if they were harmed by Equifax's negligence.
Equifax was pushed by public outcry to remove those terms, but as soon as the President signs this, and he's going to, all financial institutions will be able to do this.
All Dems and two Republicans voted no.
But whatevs. Down with regulations to protect consumers! Free market! 'Merica freak YEAH!
Post by: sg3 on October 25, 2017, 12:18:25 PM
And living people are screwed by term life insurance while the damn dead people get all the benefits too.
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Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2017, 08:32:59 AM
Apparently he said some Trump-supporting waiter wouldn't serve him because he kneeled during anthem at the game. According to the waiter, he's lying. Said that he would't serve his friend a beer because he had an expired driver's license. According to him, he and his table were given full service and he never even knew who he was, never said anything about Trump. The issue was not serving his buddy a beer because of expired ID.
One or the other is lying.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 26, 2017, 09:12:10 AM
I couldn't identify 95% of athletes that don't play for my favorite teams. I certainly wouldn't recognize Maxwell. Why would a waiter in Alabama recognize someone who plays 2,000 miles away?
Post by: Fenwyr on October 26, 2017, 10:20:33 AM
That part was exactly the discussion we were having. They would have to either raise taxes to pay for it or cut benefits because it's not paid for.No.
Therefore young people are getting screwed having by social security while older folks benefit.
Paying less for republican defense spending to pay back the money they stole from social security does not raise taxes.
Raising the maximum contribution to social security does not raise taxes, because it is not a tax.
Raising the minimum wage is not a tax.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 26, 2017, 11:15:25 AM
No.
Paying less for republican defense spending to pay back the money they stole from social security does not raise taxes.
Raising the maximum contribution to social security does not raise taxes, because it is not a tax.
Raising the minimum wage is not a tax.
Why doesn't social security and the actuary for it mention any of that in its publication of the status of social security? You sure it's not just bullshit
And he's raising the social security maximum is raising tax. It's literally called social security tax and you want to increase it
Post by: dcm1602 on October 26, 2017, 11:23:35 AM
You would have in excess of 2.5 million in your balance able to provide you with a conservative 70,000$ a year in dividends and that's assuming you started making that kind of money at age 30
Instead you have this social security bullshit where you get far less money and have no control over how your money is utilized.
Post by: sg3 on October 26, 2017, 01:01:46 PM
Like Rump every single day he breaks a new record for stupid at JO
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Post by: reuben on October 26, 2017, 09:14:18 PM
Said that he would't serve his friend a beer because he had an expired driver's license. The issue was not serving his buddy a beer because of expired ID.
I still don't understand why this a rule. It makes sense that it ceases to be a license, but why does it cease to be a form of identification? I'm not trying to drive, I'm just trying to buy this goddamned Zima!
Post by: bojanglesman on October 26, 2017, 09:21:02 PM
I still don't understand why this a rule. It makes sense that it ceases to be a license, but why does it cease to be a form of identification? I'm not trying to drive, I'm just trying to buy this goddamned Zima!I don't have an answer for you. But it isn't the point here.
Also, you only need to have a valid vagina to drink Zima.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 26, 2017, 09:44:41 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on October 26, 2017, 11:36:24 PM
Why doesn't social security and the actuary for it mention any of that in its publication of the status of social security? You sure it's not just bullshit
And he's raising the social security maximum is raising tax. It's literally called social security tax and you want to increase it
Because thats not their job? Without changes their findings are fairly accurate.
Social Security cannot legitimately be called a tax because it has a cap.
You also cannot compare it to a 401k. Even the shrinking manority of companies that match only match a small percentage. Never mind what a stock market crash would to your investment.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 27, 2017, 09:21:33 AM
Because thats not their job? Without changes their findings are fairly accurate.
Social Security cannot legitimately be called a tax because it has a cap.
You also cannot compare it to a 401k. Even the shrinking manority of companies that match only match a small percentage. Never mind what a stock market crash would to your investment.
You're insane. It can't be called a tax because it has a cap? It's literally called FICA Tax. Tax is in the name. Yet there's no definition saying taxes can't have limits.
Sure I can compare it to a 401k. They're very very different, but ultimately serve a similar purpose. And companies are mandated to match your social security tax, so if you swapped it to something private companies would still pay the same amount.
I totally realize that converting a 401k to encompass social security is completely 100% unrealistic and would never happen. But rather pointing out that it's a vastly superior option.
A stock market crash would be devesatating regardless. But that's why older people have their portfolio shifted to highly conservative investments as they near retirement age
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 27, 2017, 12:04:10 PM
Vindicated!!!
Post by: sg3 on October 27, 2017, 01:37:31 PM
“@realDonaldTrump:It is now commonly agreed, after many months of COSTLY looking, that there was NO collusion between Russia and Trump. Was collusion with HC!”That BS will stand, I guess until the Mueller and Schneiderman indictments arrive
Vindicated!!!
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 27, 2017, 02:13:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 27, 2017, 09:03:27 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/27/white-house-distances-itself-from-whitefish-contract-with-puerto-rico.html
Post by: sg3 on October 28, 2017, 06:54:20 AM
Sorry. CrookedDonnie Dotard, odds are it ain't Hillary
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Post by: ukilledkenny on October 28, 2017, 07:26:14 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 28, 2017, 08:17:42 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on October 28, 2017, 10:44:51 AM
I can't imagine anyone will be convicted of anything before Trump is out of office. This crap moves so slowly.I'm ok with nobody getting convicted before Trump, because he would just pardon them.
Trump needs to be impeached first for the least of his crimes. Then drop the hammer.
Post by: Tommy on October 28, 2017, 01:39:32 PM
Nothing unusual or untoward here people, nothing at all. Move along, nothing to see. Let the grifters grift in peace please.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/27/white-house-distances-itself-from-whitefish-contract-with-puerto-rico.html
Again, this says more about the state of PR's finances than anything else. From what I read Whitefish were the only ones to actually bid on the project so in effect it became a no-bid contract. They were also in talks with PREPA before the hurricane since PR's electrical grid was messed up for a while and this disaster made it even worse. PR hasn't paid many contractors and likely never will, which is why none of the bigger companies wanted anything to do with it. And it's not unusual for a small firm like Whitefish to get contracts that large since they have to hire hundreds of subcontractors, not to mention purchase and ship the equipment.
Post by: Tommy on October 28, 2017, 01:41:02 PM
Post by: sg3 on October 28, 2017, 01:51:35 PM
Again, this says more about the state of PR's finances than anything else. From what I read Whitefish were the only ones to actually bid on the project so in effect it became a no-bid contract. They were also in talks with PREPA before the hurricane since PR's electrical grid was messed up for a while and this disaster made it even worse. PR hasn't paid many contractors and likely never will, which is why none of the bigger companies wanted anything to do with it. And it's not unusual for a small firm like Whitefish to get contracts that large since they have to hire hundreds of subcontractors, not to mention purchase and ship the equipment.You may be right but I read that it was a NO BID Contract which already smells bad
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Post by: Tommy on October 28, 2017, 01:56:01 PM
You may be right but I read that it was a NO BID Contract which already smells bad
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No bid meaning they were the only ones to take the bid. A lot of companies already got screwed once they declared bankruptcy, so why would they trust PR to pay up on a huge contract like this? In fact $300 million seems pretty low to fix an entire electric grid across all of PR especially after a natural disaster. That could've been all they could afford and Whitefish decided to take it since it's not like they have shareholders to deal with, and companies like Duke Energy wouldn't sniff a small contract like that.
Post by: Johnny English on October 28, 2017, 02:29:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 28, 2017, 03:31:38 PM
No procurement. No background checks. No mutual aid requests. Just a $300M contract awarded to a company with zero track record and zero proof of their ability to deliver it. Nothing fishy about that at all.
Post by: sg3 on October 28, 2017, 03:56:17 PM
In the TrumpSwamp no bids or competition is the SOP when one of the Swampcreature's buds from his home town is involved.
2 employees, 300 mill, no track record
Remember the good old days prior to Jan 2017 when competence was the determining factor
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Post by: Tommy on October 28, 2017, 04:58:12 PM
There was no procurement exercise and there is a reciprocal agreement between the various power companies to help each other out when a situation like this occurs. There's no good reason that a Cabinet Secretary's buddy whose company's previous largest contract was $1.4M should suddenly just be handed $300M of public money.
This was being negotiated since Irma when there were 7 other small contracting firms vying for the large contract. Not only is PREPA is on the verge on insolvency, which means no reputable company would risk doing the job and come away with nothing, after Maria the other contractors wanted way more upfront that what Whitefish was willing to do it for. It's obvious why PREPA chose Whitefish since PREPA just doesn't have the money. I looked at the contract (https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=4151304-Whitefish-Contract-Signed-10-17-Copy) and Whitefish is only guaranteed a $3 million upfront payment to cover initial expenses, and the $300 million is just a ceiling that Whitefish can't go over during the course of the project, which could last years. That's all PREPA can afford, and there's still no guarantee that they'll be able to pay the invoices that Whitefish will rack up. A company like Duke Energy would have to front all the money and send a bill, which if PREPA files for bankruptcy they're not going to get back (http://brooklynworks.brooklaw.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1107&context=blr), while smaller companies can just work ad-hoc as per the contract and can stop working if they don't get paid since Whitefish is just hiring sub contractors and they're hiring their own subcontractors. Consider Whitefish more of a consultant to ensure that they can get the job done until $300 million, which larger companies wouldn't consider since its not worth the risk - they have plenty of other contracts.
Post by: Tommy on October 28, 2017, 04:59:26 PM
Pretty obvious really.
In the TrumpSwamp no bids or competition is the SOP when one of the Swampcreature's buds from his home town is involved.
2 employees, 300 mill, no track record
Remember the good old days prior to Jan 2017 when competence was the determining factor
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The "no bid" was after Maria when the other 6 either dropped out or required way more upfront capital than PREPA is able to afford. That left only one option.
Post by: Tommy on October 28, 2017, 05:09:40 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 28, 2017, 10:31:43 PM
Also I'm not naive enough to suggest that Zeinke didn't suggest to his buddies that it would be a good idea to get in on the PREPA contract because PR may get an infusion of emergency funding from the Feds. That doesn't guarantee that they win the contract, but it got them to throw their hat in the ring. I'm just not buying the suggestions that the White House somehow forced PREPA to select Whitefish. If anything Zeinke would be guilty of providing material information to Whitefish about the Fed's plans for PR, but this all happened before Maria and their electric grid has been a disaster way before that. It's not like Zeinke knew Maria was coming and that it would compel the Fed to infuse emergency funds. I just don't see anything. People just want another Halliburton-gate to complain about.
Not to mention Puerto Rico is hardcore in the lefts pocket. Wouldnt exactly make a ton of sense for Trump & friends to do something incredibly corrupt and illegal, and not expect them to get called out on it.
The whole bankruptcy angle makes the most sense of this. Insulates the company from them claiming bankruptcy and losing millions. Although theres still huge risks here
Post by: bojanglesman on October 29, 2017, 05:36:10 AM
Weird turn of events....
Post by: sg3 on October 29, 2017, 05:57:40 AM
Time to drain the swamp starting with the fat crooked Orange swamp TRAITOR at the top.
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Post by: Jumbo on October 29, 2017, 08:07:23 AM
Pretty funny watching the unofficial Sarahs of JO, Tommy and his tiki torch carrying girlfriend dcm twisting themselves into pretzels trying to squirm out of the obvious fact that this Whitefish deal was just another corrupt insider handout to the buddy of one of crooked donnie's crooked swamp rats.
Time to drain the swamp starting with the fat crooked Orange swamp TRAITOR at the top.
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Drumpf is surely going down this time!
Post by: dcm1602 on October 29, 2017, 08:40:53 PM
I have no issues with them doing an investigation because of the obvious connections here. But these nutjobs have blamed Trump for everything wrong in Puerto Rico then the governor does this.
Quote
The head of Puerto Rico's government power company says the agency will scrap a $300 million contract with Whitefish Energy Holdings once it finishes current work on Hurricane Maria recovery efforts.
Power company director Ricardo Ramos said Sunday that he's bowing to a demand by the U.S. territory's governor, Ricardo Rossello. Ramos says the cancellation will delay work by 10 to 12 weeks.
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A federal control board that oversees Puerto Rico's finances announced this week that retired Air Force Col. Noel Zamot will be in charge of power reconstruction efforts. Rossello and other officials have rejected the appointment, saying the local government is in charge of a power company that is $9 billion in debt and that had struggled with ongoing outages before hurricanes Irma and Maria hit last month
I enjoy the part about how Puerto Rico was struggling to keep the power on before both hurricanes
Yet its Trumps fault PR is still without power.
Post by: Miamipuck on October 29, 2017, 08:44:22 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/29/puerto-ricos-governor-demands-nullification-of-whitefish-energys-300m-power-grid-contract.html
I have no issues with them doing an investigation because of the obvious connections here. But these nutjobs have blamed Trump for everything wrong in Puerto Rico then the governor does this.
I enjoy the part about how Puerto Rico was struggling to keep the power on before both hurricanes
Yet its Trumps fault PR is still without power.
Please tell us again how you didn't vote for him.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 29, 2017, 08:47:30 PM
Please tell us again how you didn't vote for him.
Please explain how making fun of liberals destroying (the already complete disaster) Puerto Rico has to do with liking Trump ?
Weve been hearing everyday about how dire PR is and it needs help. And now the powers that be are doing something that will delay repairs of its power company by almost 3 months, just because someone that works for Trump has connections to the company.
Then the US appoints some general to take care of excrement, and again they reject it. So that the local officials that have made PR one of the most impoverished and indebted places in the world can continue to be in charge.
Post by: sg3 on October 29, 2017, 09:17:59 PM
Please explain how making fun of liberals destroying (the already complete disaster) Puerto Rico has to do with liking Trump ?please tell us how liberals are responsible for your personal hero Trump being the worst piece of fecal matter to ever get near the WH.
Weve been hearing everyday about how dire PR is and it needs help. And now the powers that be are doing something that will delay repairs of its power company by almost 3 months, just because someone that works for Trump has connections to the company.
Then the US appoints some general to take care of excrement, and again they reject it. So that the local officials that have made PR one of the most impoverished and indebted places in the world can continue to be in charge.
Fortunately the road to removal of this Orange Plague that has infested our Nation begins tomorrow with indictments for the first of his fellow Putin comrades in TREASON
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Post by: sg3 on October 29, 2017, 09:22:30 PM
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Post by: Tommy on October 30, 2017, 12:56:55 AM
Post by: sg3 on October 30, 2017, 01:53:08 AM
We really need to cut Puerto Rico loose at this point.Good trumpian idea, Tommy.
After all, many of the nearly 4 million American citizens who live there aren't even white.
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Post by: Tommy on October 30, 2017, 02:18:00 AM
Good trumpian idea, Tommy.
After all, many of the nearly 4 million American citizens who live there aren't even white.
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Puerto Rico is fucked. The only contractor willing to take on the job with very little payment upfront just had their contract pulled because of a stupid sensationalized story. What company in their right mind is going to do business with the territory now? PR will continue to not have power for months and they'll all blame Trump. I'm going to laugh when the investigation reveals that there was nothing nefarious about the contract.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 30, 2017, 03:09:53 AM
Puerto Rico is fucked. The only contractor willing to take on the job with very little payment upfront just had their contract pulled because of a stupid sensationalized story. What company in their right mind is going to do business with the territory now? PR will continue to not have power for months and they'll all blame Trump. I'm going to laugh when the investigation reveals that there was nothing nefarious about the contract.
Does it really matter what an investigation says? Trump will just tweet that it was Hillary's company and you guys will go with that.
Post by: sg3 on October 30, 2017, 06:22:43 AM
Puerto Rico is fucked. The only contractor willing to take on the job with very little payment upfront just had their contract pulled because of a stupid sensationalized story. What company in their right mind is going to do business with the territory now? PR will continue to not have power for months and they'll all blame Trump. I'm going to laugh when the investigation reveals that there was nothing nefarious about the contract.Actually Adolf
Since Puerto Rico is part of the USA, and if we had a sane Federal Government and a real President, the Federal Government would have done what it did for Louisiana, New Jersey and other American places hit by natural disasters (and BTW with other Republican moron Presidents, for crapholes like Iraq where we pissed away 30-50 billion a month to enrich Halliburton for Cheney)and spent Federal emergency funds to fix their power grid.
But the Americans in PR are brownish and speak Spanish so ergo, your racist, bigot Nazi in chief didn't give a crap about them and tried to give a 2 employee outfit in Red State Zinketana a big handout which certainly included big allocations to Zinke and through him to Trump.
And of course after that 300 bill was fully spent by PRESA and the bribes paid by Whitewaterfish and the grid was still unfixed....THEN Govt funds would be used for a real company to fix the mess
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Post by: Miamipuck on October 30, 2017, 07:32:32 AM
Please explain how making fun of liberals destroying (the already complete disaster) Puerto Rico has to do with liking Trump ?
Weve been hearing everyday about how dire PR is and it needs help. And now the powers that be are doing something that will delay repairs of its power company by almost 3 months, just because someone that works for Trump has connections to the company.
Then the US appoints some general to take care of excrement, and again they reject it. So that the local officials that have made PR one of the most impoverished and indebted places in the world can continue to be in charge.
I know what's wrong with PR/Prepa etc, known it for years it's nothing new. I just want to see you deny you voted for Trump.
Please tell us again how you didn't vote for your guy.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 30, 2017, 07:34:02 AM
I know what's wrong with PR/Prepa etc, known it for years it's nothing new. I just want to see you deny you voted for Trump.
Please tell us again how you didn't vote for your guy.
I didn't vote for Trump.
Post by: IATA on October 30, 2017, 07:48:57 AM
this is delicious. i cannot fathom the chaos in the white house right now.
eeeeeeeeeee
Post by: Johnny English on October 30, 2017, 09:02:00 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 30, 2017, 09:39:48 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 30, 2017, 10:33:06 AM
Manafort indicted and turns himself in to the FBI. Rick Gates indicted as well.
this is delicious. i cannot fathom the chaos in the white house right now.
eeeeeeeeeee
I mean the charges are for stuff that happened prior to 2015. That said clearly they're going to be offering these guys deals to turn on the administration
Post by: IATA on October 30, 2017, 10:45:12 AM
Post by: IATA on October 30, 2017, 10:51:05 AM
Count one
(Conspiracy against the United States)
Paragraphs 1 through 30 and 32 through 36 are incoporated here.
From in or about and between 2006 and 2017, both dates approximate and inclusive, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR. and RICHARD W. GATES III together with others knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offenses against the US, to wit, the violations of law charged in counts three three through Six and Ten through Twelve
Post by: sg3 on October 30, 2017, 11:07:08 AM
I mean the charges are for stuff that happened prior to 2015. That said clearly they're going to be offering these guys deals to turn on the administrationwrong as always
covers 2016 and 2017 when he was managing Putin's Puppets campaign.
But you are forgiven. We understand you get everything you know from your only source of info, FauxNews
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Post by: dcm1602 on October 30, 2017, 11:11:32 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 30, 2017, 11:12:30 AM
Manafort and Gates, meanwhile, were indicted on 12 counts, according to a 31-page indictment unsealed on Monday morning, including money laundering, operating as unregistered foreign agents of the government of Ukraine, failing to disclose overseas bank accounts and making false statements to federal authorities.
While both Manafort and Gates had top roles in the Trump campaign, the criminal charges do not discuss any actions clearly related to the presidential race, although the indictment notes that a Ukrainian political party the men worked for had a pro-Russia outlook.
Manafort, a longtime GOP operative, had been under Justice Department investigation since early 2014 -- long before Trump announced his presidential campaign – over his ties to former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who abandoned office in February 2014 and fled to Russia amid protests and allegations of government corruption.
The charges focused on Manafort’s and Gates’ lobbying work on behalf of the Ukrainian government and Yanukovych between 2006 and 2015.
Post by: Johnny English on October 30, 2017, 11:15:24 AM
The FBI interview in which Papadopouls now admits lying took place on January 27th; that same day, Trump invited Comey to a private dinner and asked him to commit his loyalty.
That house of cards is looking increasingly precarious.
Post by: sg3 on October 30, 2017, 11:17:02 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/manafort-surrender-fbi-authorities-244305Thanks for posting this twice
Manafort and Gates, meanwhile, were indicted on 12 counts, according to a 31-page indictment unsealed on Monday morning, including money laundering, operating as unregistered foreign agents of the government of Ukraine, failing to disclose overseas bank accounts and making false statements to federal authorities.
While both Manafort and Gates had top roles in the Trump campaign, the criminal charges do not discuss any actions clearly related to the presidential race, although the indictment notes that a Ukrainian political party the men worked for had a pro-Russia outlook.
It clearly states that the charges cover 2016 when Manafort was managing the campaign of the Russian traitor that you voted for
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Post by: Badger on October 30, 2017, 08:17:54 PM
https://www.justice.gov/sco
Count one
(Conspiracy against the United States)
Paragraphs 1 through 30 and 32 through 36 are incoporated here.
From in or about and between 2006 and 2017, both dates approximate and inclusive, in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, the defendants PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR. and RICHARD W. GATES III together with others knowingly and intentionally conspired to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful governmental functions of a government agency, namely the Department of Justice and the Department of the Treasury, and to commit offenses against the US, to wit, the violations of law charged in counts three three through Six and Ten through Twelve
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Post by: sg3 on October 31, 2017, 06:42:09 AM
Flynn
Page
Stone
Kushner
Conway
Gorka
Miller
Ivancha
Maybe Crooked Donnie himself
The real question is
Who flips next to try and save his/her sorry derriere?
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Post by: bojanglesman on October 31, 2017, 08:43:09 AM
The only winner will be the lawyers.
Post by: Fenwyr on October 31, 2017, 09:47:00 AM
Prediction: This thing is gonna drag on forever. Other ancillary figures will be charged, but it will be too vague to directly charge the campaign with anything and Trump himself won't get charged with anything. Same with the whole Hillary/Fusion thing.Manafort is 70, and would likely die in federal prison. I expect we'll see a guilty plea from him at some point.
The only winner will be the lawyers.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 31, 2017, 11:33:51 AM
Manafort is 70, and would likely die in federal prison. I expect we'll see a guilty plea from him at some point.That assumes he has anything that leads to Trump. He can't just make up some bogus info and plead guilty for a lighter sentence because it has to be proven. It's not going to be easy to prove collusion. I hope the truth comes out, whatever that is.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 31, 2017, 12:03:28 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2017, 12:06:59 PM
Puerto Rico is fucked. The only contractor willing to take on the job with very little payment upfront just had their contract pulled because of a stupid sensationalized story. What company in their right mind is going to do business with the territory now? PR will continue to not have power for months and they'll all blame Trump. I'm going to laugh when the investigation reveals that there was nothing nefarious about the contract.
I don't follow your logic. If Whitefish are the only contractor willing to take on the project, and if as you claim they're commercially and technically capable of delivering it, why would they be even remotely concerned about a proper procurement exercise which is designed to demonstrate those things?
In fact, if they are indeed the only contractor willing to do it then the whole thing will progress incredibly quickly as a single expression of interest will very quickly lead to vetting and a short ACAN. They could be on the job in probably three weeks, if everything is as you say. Where's the issue?
Post by: sg3 on November 01, 2017, 07:31:03 AM
A new day
So what will the Orange Cockroach do today to Make America Worse Again
#MAWA
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Post by: Fenwyr on November 01, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
That assumes he has anything that leads to Trump. He can't just make up some bogus info and plead guilty for a lighter sentence because it has to be proven. It's not going to be easy to prove collusion. I hope the truth comes out, whatever that is.He won't be making anything up. He also doesn't likely have any new information. He can however confirm what is already known.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 01, 2017, 09:47:03 AM
The sun rises
A new day
So what will the Orange Cockroach do today to Make America Worse Again
#MAWA
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Well, he's already used yesterday's tragedy to soapbox about immigration bans.
It's also ACA open enrollment day, so I'm sure there's festivities planned to distract from it.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 02, 2017, 12:17:41 PM
Well, he's already used yesterday's tragedy to soapbox about immigration bans.
It's also ACA open enrollment day, so I'm sure there's festivities planned to distract from it.
I mean ignoring anybodys feelings on Trump. Having an immigration policy based on a random lottery is extremely freaking retarded. And that's how this guy legally got into this country.
Hundreds of millions if not billions of people want to be here. We can create a better system than a freaking lottery
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2017, 01:05:34 PM
I mean ignoring anybodys feelings on Trump. Having an immigration policy based on a random lottery is extremely freaking retarded. And that's how this guy legally got into this country.
Hundreds of millions if not billions of people want to be here. We can create a better system than a freaking lottery
It's okay for dipshit to soapbox about "foreigners" being terrorists, but when an American shoots up a concert full of other Americans we shouldn't "politicize a tragedy."
freak. Trump.
Post by: sg3 on November 02, 2017, 01:10:48 PM
I mean ignoring anybodys feelings on Trump. Having an immigration policy based on a random lottery is extremely freaking retarded. And that's how this guy legally got into this country.When one of your boy Trump's tiki torch carrying Nazi terrorists murder an innocent American, he says they are "some very fine people"
Hundreds of millions if not billions of people want to be here. We can create a better system than a freaking lottery
How the F could you
1. vote for this traitor
and
2. still defend him even when it makes you sound like a total moron??
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Post by: bojanglesman on November 02, 2017, 01:23:45 PM
It's okay for dipshit to soapbox about "foreigners" being terrorists, but when an American shoots up a concert full of other Americans we shouldn't "politicize a tragedy."
freak. Trump.
When one of your boy Trump's tiki torch carrying Nazi terrorists murder an innocent American, he says they are "some very fine people"
How the F could you
1. vote for this traitor
and
2. still defend him even when it makes you sound like a total moron??
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In defense of dcm, neither of you responded to his statement. I'm no fan of Trump, but you should respond with something other than blah blah Trump sucks.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 02, 2017, 01:30:00 PM
It's okay for dipshit to soapbox about "foreigners" being terrorists, but when an American shoots up a concert full of other Americans we shouldn't "politicize a tragedy."
freak. Trump.
My comment wasn't about Trump nor his politicizing a tragedy
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 02, 2017, 02:01:56 PM
In defense of dcm, neither of you responded to his statement. I'm no fan of Trump, but you should respond with something other than blah blah Trump sucks.
My comment wasn't about Trump nor his politicizing a tragedy
My original statement that was responded to was regarding Trump getting up on his soapbox over an act of terrorism to promote his agenda--politicizing a tragedy.
It wasn't me that initiated a tangent.
Post by: sg3 on November 02, 2017, 02:07:25 PM
In defense of dcm, neither of you responded to his statement. I'm no fan of Trump, but you should respond with something other than blah blah Trump sucks.With all due respect, the absolutely 100% correct response to ANY political question in 2017 America is
"Blah blah TRUMP SUCKS"
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 02, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
My comment wasn't about Trump nor his politicizing a tragedy
You may wish to check which thread you're in.
Absent the absurdity of Trump and his scare tactics, it's absolutely a good idea to yet again re-evaluate the green card process. It's been ages since it was last truly overhauled.
Post by: Johnny English on November 02, 2017, 03:28:26 PM
Post by: sg3 on November 02, 2017, 03:34:05 PM
Easy for the dcms and his hero Trump to blame immigrants and religions. I do agree though that America would be a better place if Frederick Drumpf had been barred from leaving Europe and Fred (KKK) Trump's bride had been barred from leaving Scotland.
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Post by: Badger on November 02, 2017, 05:49:03 PM
The vast majority of terrorist incidents are committed by American Citizens. See Las Vegas, Orlando, Oklahoma City.What ideology was the Vegas shooter killing in the name of?
Easy for the dcms and his hero Trump to blame immigrants and religions. I do agree though that America would be a better place if Frederick Drumpf had been barred from leaving Europe and Fred (KKK) Trump's bride had been barred from leaving Scotland.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2017, 08:07:50 PM
What ideology was the Vegas shooter killing in the name of?
Dude hated country music
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on November 03, 2017, 12:46:58 AM
What ideology was the Vegas shooter killing in the name of?
White Power. I thought that was obvious when he shot up a rap concert.
Post by: sg3 on November 03, 2017, 06:56:41 AM
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Post by: Fenwyr on November 03, 2017, 10:04:23 AM
What ideology was the Vegas shooter killing in the name of?I honestly believe he wanted to throw a wrench in the discussion by shooting white people. Or he was just batshit insane.
By all accounts his initial target was the Life is Beautiful festival, but he bailed at the last minute. Most locals hate that thing. It shuts down major roads downtown for over a week, just so a bunch of fucktards can have wine and cheese while watching mostly mediocre bands, and pay close to $500 a head.
Post by: Johnny English on November 03, 2017, 10:18:08 AM
I honestly believe he wanted to throw a wrench in the discussion by shooting white people. Or he was just batshit insane.
By all accounts his initial target was the Life is Beautiful festival, but he bailed at the last minute. Most locals hate that thing. It shuts down major roads downtown for over a week, just so a bunch of fucktards can have wine and cheese while watching mostly mediocre bands, and pay close to $500 a head.
He also had rooms booked for the Lollapalooza festival in Chicago, but never used them. I don't think there was any specific agenda.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 03, 2017, 10:30:04 AM
I hate that we need to find a reason for psychopathic behavior. Whether that person stands behind an ideology, or just enjoyed tearing the legs off frogs as a child, the desire to take another life makes you unfit to be part of society.
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2017, 11:20:11 AM
He also had rooms booked for the Lollapalooza festival in Chicago, but never used them. I don't think there was any specific agenda.i.e. not a terrorist
Post by: sg3 on November 04, 2017, 08:48:11 AM
Dump has left for nearly two weeks
Bad news for USA
Dump will probably come back
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Post by: Badger on November 05, 2017, 05:45:12 AM
Post by: sg3 on November 05, 2017, 08:17:53 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171105/a1ff8b163febec1f6e74be6cd30749a0.jpg)Maybe we will get lucky and some samurai ninja warrior will shoot something down today while something is golfing with Mr Abe
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Post by: bojanglesman on November 06, 2017, 09:02:54 AM
She flipped off President Trump — and got fired from her government contracting job
Post by: sg3 on November 06, 2017, 09:18:28 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/she-flipped-off-president-trump--and-got-fired-from-her-government-contracting-job/2017/11/06/4cf1af9a-c2da-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.htmlJulie will have 50 better job offers by NOON
She flipped off President Trump — and got fired from her government contracting job
Give IKAMA a call and tell them what you think of them
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Post by: Miamipuck on November 06, 2017, 11:12:42 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 06, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
If that biased article is even half right that woman will make an assload in the law suit.
Maybe, I still think that company had every right to fire her though. Their customer is the government for christsakes, they don’t need that kind of negative publicity. She obviously cared more about bragging on social media than her job. If any of us flipped of the CEO or a high level executive at our job, AND there was photographic evidence of it, we would get shitcanned too, astounding the way the world works.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 06, 2017, 12:18:35 PM
Maybe, I still think that company had every right to fire her though. Their customer is the government for christsakes, they don’t need that kind of negative publicity. She obviously cared more about bragging on social media than her job. If any of us flipped of the CEO or a high level executive at our job, AND there was photographic evidence of it, we would get shitcanned too, astounding the way the world works.
I 100% agree with that. However, if there's a record of other executives doing something similar or worse, and not getting canned, I am sure there's a lawyer or two out there that can make a good libel case.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 06, 2017, 12:24:46 PM
I 100% agree with that. However, if there's a record of other executives doing something similar or worse, and not getting canned, I am sure there's a lawyer or two out there that can make a good libel case.
That guy should have been disciplined but there’s a difference between an idiot with a Facebook account insulting some random online vs a statement that will garner national attention
Post by: Miamipuck on November 06, 2017, 12:38:47 PM
That guy should have been disciplined but there’s a difference between an idiot with a Facebook account insulting some random online vs a statement that will garner national attention
According to the article (which could be a mistake) he was very easily associated with the company, more so than her, and she was only fired for admitting it herself.
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2017, 08:53:41 AM
According to the article (which could be a mistake) he was very easily associated with the company, more so than her, and she was only fired for admitting it herself.She should have kept her mouth shut.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2017, 09:11:15 AM
She should have kept her mouth shut.
Correct, but it was a matter of time before someone snitched on her. Didn’t that article say she changed her Facebook profile to that picture?
Post by: Miamipuck on November 07, 2017, 09:30:17 AM
Correct, but it was a matter of time before someone snitched on her. Didn’t that article say she changed her Facebook profile to that picture?
Yeah but at least there's a chance that it may die. Opening your yapper gets you fired nearly 100% of the time.
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2017, 10:19:43 AM
Correct, but it was a matter of time before someone snitched on her. Didn’t that article say she changed her Facebook profile to that picture?I'd lump that kind of behavior in with a broader definition of keeping her mouth shut.
And if someone snitched she could have just changed the picture and denied everything.
Post by: sg3 on November 07, 2017, 01:24:06 PM
She has received multiple job offers, some for more than 3 times what she was getting paid by the jerkoffs that fired her.
Moral of the story
If you see Trump, his motorcade or any of his crime family anywhere, give them both middle fingers
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2017, 02:15:59 PM
Breaking News
She has received multiple job offers, some for more than 3 times what she was getting paid by the jerkoffs that fired her.
Moral of the story
If you see Trump, his motorcade or any of his crime family anywhere, give them both middle fingers
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Did you hire her to change your diaper?
Post by: sg3 on November 07, 2017, 09:18:43 PM
You are starting to approach dcm levels of posting idiocy
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Post by: Badger on November 09, 2017, 08:17:18 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/11/08/an-alternative-history-of-the-year-since-election-day-2016/
Post by: bojanglesman on November 09, 2017, 08:27:50 AM
This article gave me cancer.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/11/08/an-alternative-history-of-the-year-since-election-day-2016/
Sad!
Post by: Miamipuck on November 09, 2017, 10:03:33 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on November 10, 2017, 10:01:02 AM
I stopped at Madame President because freak Hillary.SBTT
Post by: bojanglesman on November 10, 2017, 10:07:05 AM
SBTT
or at least SBTG.
Post by: Fenwyr on November 11, 2017, 03:10:26 PM
or at least SBTG.Geno Smith would be SBTT.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2017, 12:26:32 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2017, 12:35:11 PM
http://fortune.com/2017/11/09/trump-china-deals-companies-signed/
"some have been long in the pipeline and many are non-binding."
So basically it's a set of marketing announcements that mean next to nothing and have been deliberately timed to try and make it look like Trump is actually achieving something. Man, you're easily pleased.
Post by: insanity on November 13, 2017, 02:09:19 PM
"some have been long in the pipeline and many are non-binding."
So basically it's a set of marketing announcements that mean next to nothing and have been deliberately timed to try and make it look like Trump is actually achieving something. Man, you're easily pleased.
That natural gas deal with china is peculiar. Why are they agreeing to help us with that? Do we need their money? Is it an agreement to buy it from us after the fact?
Additionally, fracking in Alaska sounds like one of the worst possible things we could be doing. And, I'm sure people are thrilled about the possible 12,000 jobs in Alaska.
Post by: sg3 on November 13, 2017, 02:57:54 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2017, 03:03:08 PM
McConnell says he believes the women including the new 5th victim assaulted by Moore and calls for his removal from the ballot.Devils advocate, wasn't McConnell the one pouring money into the campaign against Moore during the primary? What happens if Moore does back out or get taken off the ticket (however that could happen)?
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2017, 03:10:58 PM
"some have been long in the pipeline and many are non-binding."
So basically it's a set of marketing announcements that mean next to nothing and have been deliberately timed to try and make it look like Trump is actually achieving something. Man, you're easily pleased.
Yeah, but have you looked at the stock market lately?
Post by: sg3 on November 13, 2017, 06:21:15 PM
Devils advocate, wasn't McConnell the one pouring money into the campaign against Moore during the primary? What happens if Moore does back out or get taken off the ticket (however that could happen)?Judge Bill Cosby can't be removed from the ballot
Hopefully Doug wins but if the Perv wins, the talk is he will be expelled by a 74-25 vote and then the Gov will select a replacement.
Maybe the Keebler Elf will get his seat back and no longer have to take orders from the Orange Retard
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Post by: Tommy on November 13, 2017, 06:35:54 PM
I just don't know why conservatives who are shooting themselves in the foot collectively by defending this guy. They're letting the Left win the moral high ground and ruining their already tarnished image. Jesus.
Post by: sg3 on November 13, 2017, 06:49:01 PM
I don't understand why they just don't replace him with another tow the line Republican. Christ. They could've solved this in 5 mins. It doesn't matter who since the guy would win regardless but wouldn't be a scumbag.I don't think Ala law allows them to remove a primary winner from the General Election ballot of that party.
I just don't know why conservatives who are shooting themselves in the foot collectively by defending this guy. They're letting the Left win the moral high ground and ruining their already tarnished image. Jesus.
So their only real hope of saving that seat is to start a write in campaign or hope Judge Roy Weinstein wins, expel him from the Senate and have the Gov appoint a replacement
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Post by: Tommy on November 13, 2017, 07:03:04 PM
I don't think Ala law allows them to remove a primary winner from the General Election ballot of that party.
So their only real hope of saving that seat is to start a write in campaign or hope Judge Roy Weinstein wins, expel him from the Senate and have the Gov appoint a replacement
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That makes sense. I doubt anyone in the GOP, aside from some loons, actually believe he's innocent, but they're buying time to keep the pressure at a distance until he wins. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some extremely low level GOP guys in local districts to kamikaze their careers by writing those ridiculous religious justifications. It distracts and keeps the "maybe he's innocent" narrative alive. I follow Japanese politics and this happens ALL THE TIME and it gets exposed more than here because political parties review government funding to level the playing field. Basically enough funding to keep them afloat.
Anyway, this is what parties do. McConnel takes the high group "out of principal" and other high level ones are hedging so they can keep the seat then oust him once it's secure. Like with the Dems sabotaging Sanders, this ruining their chances by disenfranchising their young and growing voters. But that was a high level and popular lawmaker. No ones even heard of Roy Moore before this and no one cares. He's just another senator to vote when they need the votes.
They'll be criticized by waiting until the election was over before ousting him, but the narrative shifts to him getting ousted and possibly convicted. GOP gets heavily criticized at first for the transparent cronyism but also a pat on the back for getting rid of him (and that's what people will remember in the long run). It'll be the latest story, and then status quo, and then Dems continue to not care about the state of Alabama and their pathetic Dem operations there. At the end of the day it's a lost cause and they don't even try, with reason.
It's an interesting look into the workings of the mafia type goings-on within parties. We saw it with the Dem Convention leaks, now this in the GOP. Both exist just to keep the status quo running. It's politics.
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2017, 07:33:41 PM
That makes sense. I doubt anyone in the GOP, aside from some loons, actually believe he's innocent, but they're buying time to keep the pressure at a distance until he wins. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some extremely low level GOP guys in local districts to kamikaze their careers by writing those ridiculous religious justifications. It distracts and keeps the "maybe he's innocent" narrative alive. I follow Japanese politics and this happens ALL THE TIME and it gets exposed more than here because political parties review government funding to level the playing field. Basically enough funding to keep them afloat.
Anyway, this is what parties do. McConnel takes the high group "out of principal" and other high level ones are hedging so they can keep the seat then oust him once it's secure. Like with the Dems sabotaging Sanders, this ruining their chances by disenfranchising their young and growing voters. But that was a high level and popular lawmaker. No ones even heard of Roy Moore before this and no one cares. He's just another senator to vote when they need the votes.
They'll be criticized by waiting until the election was over before ousting him, but the narrative shifts to him getting ousted and possibly convicted. GOP gets heavily criticized at first for the transparent cronyism but also a pat on the back for getting rid of him (and that's what people will remember in the long run). It'll be the latest story, and then status quo, and then Dems continue to not care about the state of Alabama and their pathetic Dem operations there. At the end of the day it's a lost cause and they don't even try, with reason.
It's an interesting look into the workings of the mafia type goings-on within parties. We saw it with the Dem Convention leaks, now this in the GOP. Both exist just to keep the status quo running. It's politics.
That's an interesting interpretation of all those people defending pedophilia.
Post by: Tommy on November 14, 2017, 02:15:34 AM
That's an interesting interpretation of all those people defending pedophilia.
I've only seen a few instances were some local politicians said dumb things that are pretty much defending pedophilia. The state audio had dumb quote about Mary Joseph and Jesus, but other than that there was one local chair that stated that if it was true then it's "much ado about nothing."
The vast majority are going with the "innocent until proven guilty" stance, which is pretty much one of the tenants of our democracy. Most of the federal and state level republican leaders are calling for him to step down, which is entirely up to Alabama and Roy Moore. They're hedging until he wins then they'll can him and replace Moore with someone else.
You're doing the same thing where you're making a mountain out of a mile. A few low level local republicans defend Moore even if it's true and all of a sudden it's "all republicans". Both sides do this and it's absolutely ridiculous.
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 14, 2017, 06:31:02 AM
Post by: Fenwyr on November 14, 2017, 09:10:34 AM
I despise all these allegations coming out decades later. They are impossible to prove/disprove, but they still ruin careers. The accused has literally zero discourse.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 14, 2017, 09:14:39 AM
Unless the guy flat out admits to it, he's still innocent, you know, like Trump did.
I despise all these allegations coming out decades later. They are impossible to prove/disprove, but they still ruin careers. The accused has literally zero discourse.
“I don’t really remember that excrement, it was 30 years ago and I was prolly drunk. Also, I now choose to live life as a gay man.”
/Keyser Soze’d
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2017, 09:32:53 PM
It's interesting which things Tommy suddenly becomes scholarly on.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 15, 2017, 10:13:27 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 15, 2017, 06:48:44 PM
Do you think the three UCLA Basketball Players will say thank you President Trump? They were headed for 10 years in jail!
Post by: Tommy on November 15, 2017, 07:01:30 PM
@realDonaldTrump:
Do you think the three UCLA Basketball Players will say thank you President Trump? They were headed for 10 years in jail!
Haha he didn't give them time. They apologized once they arrived.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 15, 2017, 07:09:11 PM
Haha he didn't give them time. They apologized once they arrived.
UCLA basketball players thanked President Trump for "helping us out," after a Twitter nudge from the commander-in-chief who worked to get China to drop shoplifting charges against them.
"I would like to thank President Trump and the United States government for the help that they've provided as well," LiAngelo Ball said in a press conference on Wednesday.
"To President Trump and the United States government, thank you for taking the time to intervene on our behalf," another player, Cody Riley, said. "We really appreciate you helping us out."
"Thank you to the United States government and President Trump for your efforts to bring us home," the third player, Jalen Hill, said.
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 15, 2017, 07:13:27 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 16, 2017, 11:14:43 AM
Worth it just for the FAQ.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 16, 2017, 11:44:58 AM
https://www.cardsagainsthumanitysavesamerica.com/
Worth it just for the FAQ.
I can't wait to see the right-leaning snowflakes whine about this one.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 16, 2017, 12:00:59 PM
I can't wait to see the right-leaning snowflakes whine about this one.It won't matter because that wall will never get built anyway.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 16, 2017, 12:04:49 PM
It won't matter because that wall will never get built anyway.
Triggered!
Post by: sg3 on November 16, 2017, 12:51:56 PM
It won't matter because that wall will never get built anyway.It's amazingly sad how fast Colonel Braggadocio has gone from...
"We will build the wall and Mexico will pay for it!!"
To
We will build a couple of sample pieces and since I'm already adding 2 trillion to the deficit to give me and the Koch Bros a huge tax cut, it will be hard to further burden the middle class with the YUUUGE additional costs of my STUPID and UNNECESSARY wall
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Post by: Johnny English on November 16, 2017, 03:26:31 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-reverses-obama-era-ban-on-import-of-elephant-trophies-from-zimbabwe/
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 16, 2017, 03:53:04 PM
Incredible.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-reverses-obama-era-ban-on-import-of-elephant-trophies-from-zimbabwe/
He won't stop until he changes every single thing Obama did during his tenure.
The guy literally had carpets in the White House ripped out because they were installed under Obama. He's obsessed with erasing any trace of the Obama presidency. Given the opportunity, if he could find a way to invalidate Obama's presidency and erase him from the history books, he would.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 16, 2017, 09:19:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/haimkDf.gif)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2017, 12:26:37 PM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2017, 12:41:11 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/22/business/trump-organization-soho-hotel.html?_r=0
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2017, 03:48:51 PM
The brand is becoming more toxic by the week.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/22/business/trump-organization-soho-hotel.html?_r=0
Not true, Trump does nothing but profit off the presidency. Watch CNN one time for me you Canuck
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2017, 04:44:29 PM
Not true, Trump does nothing but profit off the presidency. Watch CNN one time for me you Canuck
If your Yank brain wasn't so stuffed full of turkey and football and freedom you'd understand that the two things are not exclusive of each other.
And I don't watch CNN because it's too right wing.
Post by: sg3 on November 23, 2017, 07:35:52 PM
Google up the MORON'S speech today to the Coast Guard in Florida.
Rambling, incoherent and bragging about his great legislative achievements (NONE), great job in handling all hurricanes (NONE), great stock market and everything else Yuuuugely great
Post by: Fenwyr on November 24, 2017, 01:14:27 PM
Post by: Badger on November 26, 2017, 10:23:03 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 27, 2017, 02:29:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JqBFm7r.jpg)
And then he follows up by making a Pocahontas joke at a reception for Native Americans at the White House.
He's regressing by the day, he really does have the mental and emotional development of a 13 year old boy. Convenient lightning rod for the GOP while they pee down your back and tell you it's raining though. Must be soon you all start seeing your tax increases appear in your pay packets, no?
Post by: Badger on November 27, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 27, 2017, 04:15:08 PM
This morning's offering from the orange dick:
(https://i.imgur.com/JqBFm7r.jpg)
And then he follows up by making a Pocahontas joke at a reception for Native Americans at the White House.
He's regressing by the day, he really does have the mental and emotional development of a 13 year old boy. Convenient lightning rod for the GOP while they pee down your back and tell you it's raining though. Must be soon you all start seeing your tax increases appear in your pay packets, no?
Just got a YUGE white privilege check in the mail last week
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 27, 2017, 04:40:33 PM
This morning's offering from the orange dick:
(https://i.imgur.com/JqBFm7r.jpg)
And then he follows up by making a Pocahontas joke at a reception for Native Americans at the White House.
He's regressing by the day, he really does have the mental and emotional development of a 13 year old boy. Convenient lightning rod for the GOP while they pee down your back and tell you it's raining though. Must be soon you all start seeing your tax increases appear in your pay packets, no?
I'm actually more annoyed you said pay packet than anything.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 27, 2017, 04:42:27 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 27, 2017, 05:14:05 PM
I'm actually more annoyed you said pay packet than anything.
Because it completely confused you and you now have no idea what my post meant?
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 27, 2017, 05:25:41 PM
Because it completely confused you and you now have no idea what my post meant?
What?
Post by: Johnny English on November 27, 2017, 05:26:58 PM
What?
My use of the term "pay packet". I'm assuming what upset you about it was that you don't understand what I was talking about and therefore don't understand what I was saying in my post.
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 27, 2017, 05:29:42 PM
My use of the term "pay packet". I'm assuming what upset you about it was that you don't understand what I was talking about and therefore don't understand what I was saying in my post.
You lost me
Post by: Johnny English on November 27, 2017, 06:01:48 PM
You lost me
So you're angry because you're confused. I get it. I apologise, I hadn't realised that you were intellectually disadvantaged.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 27, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
You lost me
Post = mail in British
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 28, 2017, 03:23:26 AM
Post = mail in British
Oh, now I get it. Was so confused and mad about JE using words all weird and stuff.
Post by: Badger on November 28, 2017, 08:23:05 AM
This is my ultimate commander. It’s the one thing I’m trying to forget the most when I drink.I know that feel.
Post by: Tommy on November 28, 2017, 08:40:32 AM
Post by: Badger on November 28, 2017, 09:37:19 AM
I love how Europeans will straight up start making fun of Trump to me, and when I tell them I voted for him they back down reallll fast. "Oh no I was saying that uh I do not agree with everything but everyone has their opinions." It's pretty funny.
They're just being nice.
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Post by: Tommy on November 28, 2017, 09:40:55 AM
They're just being nice.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/012/899/a4b.png)
Hahahaha
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 28, 2017, 10:26:12 AM
I love how Europeans will straight up start making fun of Trump to me, and when I tell them I voted for him they back down reallll fast. "Oh no I was saying that uh I do not agree with everything but everyone has their opinions." It's pretty funny.
You think it's because you are radiating Trump machismo but it really is them realizing they no longer want to associate with you.
Post by: Fenwyr on November 28, 2017, 10:29:40 AM
LMFAO
They're just being nice.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/012/899/a4b.png)
Post by: Tommy on November 28, 2017, 12:06:34 PM
You think it's because you are radiating Trump machismo but it really is them realizing they no longer want to associate with you.
But they do continue to associate with me because normal people recognize that political views don't define you as a person. They learned that lesson the hard way in Europe and in other countries.
Post by: Fenwyr on November 28, 2017, 12:26:40 PM
But they do continue to associate with me because normal people recognize that political views don't define you as a person. They learned that lesson the hard way in Europe and in other countries.I am so interested to see what happens in Alabama, probably for the first and the last time in my life.
I think most people agree that Trump is a failed experiment.
But to your point, I have plenty of friends who don't share my political views. My wife of over 12 years doesn't get me sometimes. Who cares? I love a good debate.
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 28, 2017, 05:07:37 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 28, 2017, 08:50:47 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362090-obama-to-meet-with-world-leaders
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2017, 08:55:31 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42166663
Post by: insanity on November 29, 2017, 09:17:58 AM
Trump might actually excrement his Depends with anger about this.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362090-obama-to-meet-with-world-leaders
This is absolutely hilarious. Prepare for some obama bashing tweets in 2 days time
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 01, 2017, 08:34:22 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 01, 2017, 08:49:26 AM
Lock up Flynn's derriere.
Sounds like it's part of a co-operation deal. They might sanction him in some way, but it won't be major - they want his information more than they want his penance.
MAGA - Mueller Ain't Going Away
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 01, 2017, 09:12:23 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 01, 2017, 09:18:50 AM
Market was up bigly yesterday
OPEC deal means the price of oil is going to keep rising, which markets like. Obviously it's going to hit you at the pumps and on the shelves, but you should be able to offset that with the gains on your shares in Exxon so it's all good.
Post by: reuben on December 01, 2017, 10:23:27 AM
Lock up Flynn's derriere.
freak that. I want Flynn to be a free man when all is said and done. Free and fully flipped.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2017, 11:28:15 AM
Sort of related, the stock market is a bit weird today. The Flynn announcement drove the market down sharply, but the announcement about the Senate having the votes to pass the tax bill drove it back up so it's not quite as bad as it should be. Odd to see major stories having exactly opposite effects at the same time.
Post by: Johnny English on December 01, 2017, 02:26:14 PM
It remains to be seen if any of this will come back on Trump himself. I want the truth to come out, whatever it is. If Trump was involved, then this needs to tie directly to him, not a few staff members acting on their own accord. I don't think enough info. is out yet about this latest Flynn thing, so we'll see. If Trump, himself, ordered people in his staff to get into contact with any other government about meddling in the election, he needs to go.
Well.......
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362773-flynn-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-make-contact-with-the
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2017, 02:33:23 PM
Well.......Have you seen anything saying what the Russian contact was about? If it was related directly affecting the election then he'll be quite rightly fucked. If it was some other reason, then who knows. One thing for certain, this isn't going away soon.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362773-flynn-to-testify-trump-directed-him-to-make-contact-with-the
Post by: sg3 on December 03, 2017, 05:05:20 AM
Once the Kock Bros, Mercers and the rest of the .01% get their big taxscam signed they will no longer need the MORON around to doom GOP congressional chances in 2018.
Out he will go
Kocks to Trump...."You're FIRED!"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 06, 2017, 09:01:51 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 06, 2017, 09:05:02 AM
https://slate.com/business/2017/12/senate-republicans-may-have-made-a-usd260-billion-mistake-in-their-tax-bill.html(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171206/5a0f06f64361cd0960ebacd847498c95.jpg)
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Post by: sg3 on December 07, 2017, 06:56:15 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2017, 09:08:43 AM
God bless the United Stushh
He and Pelosi should have angry stroke sex.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 07, 2017, 09:39:18 AM
He and Pelosi should have angry stroke sex.
How about they just have strokes?
Post by: Badger on December 07, 2017, 10:01:40 AM
How about they just have strokes?Only if Pence and Ryan are included.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 07, 2017, 10:33:14 AM
Only if Pence and Ryan are included.
I am with you.
Post by: Fenwyr on December 07, 2017, 11:40:55 AM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 07, 2017, 04:35:01 PM
Post by: sg3 on December 07, 2017, 04:37:37 PM
Donald Trump just referred to the attack on Pearl Harbor as a "pretty wild scene."He based this on his vast personal combat experience in the Heel Spurs brigade fighting STDs in Manhattan during the Vietnam Era
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2017, 05:01:16 PM
Donald Trump just referred to the attack on Pearl Harbor as a "pretty wild scene."
He's not wrong.
Post by: sg3 on December 07, 2017, 06:30:20 PM
And also was told that Hawaii was not part of Asia or a kingdom but a US State
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2017, 07:26:14 PM
Reports are he was just informed about what happened in Hawaii on 12/7/41 around 5 minutes before the meeting."I loved Hawaii 5-0. Big League!"
And also was told that Hawaii was not part of Asia or a kingdom but a US State
Post by: Fenwyr on December 07, 2017, 08:03:36 PM
"I loved Hawaii 5-0. Big League!"Hawaii 4-0
He can't count to 5.
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Post by: sg3 on December 08, 2017, 06:26:12 AM
Hawaii 4-0"I spoke to the President of Hawaii and he warmly thanked me for all the help I provided at that wild scene at Pearl Harbor."
He can't count to 5.
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Post by: Johnny English on December 08, 2017, 08:28:35 AM
"I spoke to the President of Hawaii and he warmly thanked me for all the help I provided at that wild scene at Pearl Harbor."
LOL
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2017, 11:20:48 AM
Post by: steves850 on December 13, 2017, 11:26:09 AM
So in the Republican primary Trump endorsed the sitting senator, and the people instead voted for a racist pedophile. Then in the Senate election Trump endorsed the Republican candidate in a state that has historically voted overwhelmingly Republican, and the people instead voted for a Democrat. I wonder when it will start to sink in for him?
It won't. He's surrounded by an echo-chamber. He will be insulated from reality until his term ends.
Post by: Badger on December 13, 2017, 12:05:17 PM
It won't. He's surrounded by an echo-chamber. He will be insulated from reality until Alzheimer's finishes what it started.
FYP
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2017, 12:12:10 PM
So in the Republican primary Trump endorsed the sitting senator, and the people instead voted for a racist pedophile. Then in the Senate election Trump endorsed the Republican candidate in a state that has historically voted overwhelmingly Republican, and the people instead voted for a Democrat. I wonder when it will start to sink in for him?
Dang, if only these people voted against him in the presidential election
Post by: steves850 on December 13, 2017, 12:27:47 PM
FYP
I wouldn't be surprised if someone else kept the ship going a la Woodrow Wilson after his stroke.
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2017, 07:07:22 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/omarosa-manigault-newman-resign-trump-administration-article-1.3695668
Post by: bojanglesman on December 13, 2017, 07:16:14 PM
LOL.I hope that's true. She may be a bigger poopchute than him.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/omarosa-manigault-newman-resign-trump-administration-article-1.3695668
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2017, 08:59:08 PM
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-slash-counterterrorism-funding-border-wall-report-747628
Post by: Miamipuck on December 13, 2017, 11:48:19 PM
I hope that's true. She may be a bigger poopchute than him.
Nahhh
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 14, 2017, 07:21:22 AM
Enjoy your Tostitos
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2017, 07:23:22 AM
I hope that's true. She may be a bigger poopchute than him.Don't see how that's possible since she's an poopchute of no consequence.
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2017, 07:24:02 AM
freak, Trumpanzees, what are you going to do now? What are you more scared of, Muslims or Mexicans?Muslims and Mexicans are part of the same Orcish race engineered by Soros INFOWARS.COM
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-slash-counterterrorism-funding-border-wall-report-747628
Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2017, 09:30:50 AM
Don't see how that's possible since she's an poopchute of no consequence.I don't see how important you are as having any bearing on how much of an poopchute you can be. I mean look at Puck. He's a bigger poopchute than both of them and no one cares about anything he does.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 14, 2017, 09:47:10 AM
I don't see how important you are as having any bearing on how much of an poopchute you can be. I mean look at Puck. He's a bigger poopchute than both of them and no one cares about anything he does.
Not true, you post about me every chance you get honey.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 14, 2017, 11:58:44 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2017, 12:02:11 PM
I'll take Puck's brand of poopchute over this administration's any day. At least he doesn't lack self-awareness.have you seen his mustache?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 14, 2017, 01:33:10 PM
I'll take Puck's brand of poopchute over this administration's any day. At least he doesn't lack self-awareness.
Hell no, I relish my own assholery.
Post by: Badger on December 14, 2017, 06:47:52 PM
I don't see how important you are as having any bearing on how much of an poopchute you can be. I mean look at Puck. He's a bigger poopchute than both of them and no one cares about anything he does.
If Puck is an poopchute in the woods and no one is around to suffer it, is he still an poopchute?
In b4 yes
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 25, 2017, 06:22:39 AM
Post by: Badger on December 25, 2017, 11:41:30 AM
Post by: Badger on December 25, 2017, 02:53:52 PM
@realDonaldTrump:People are proud to be saying Merry Christmas again. I am proud to have led the charge against the assault of our cherished and beautiful phrase. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!
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Post by: Fenwyr on December 25, 2017, 03:14:50 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 25, 2017, 07:30:45 PM
Get back to work peasants
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 25, 2017, 07:31:06 PM
If is wasn't for my wife, I would do everyting in my power to take him out.
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Your wife is a trump supporter? Sad!
Post by: Fenwyr on December 26, 2017, 12:08:37 AM
Your wife is a trump supporter? Sad!No, she's a Fenwyr supporter. Hates Trump with every fiber of her being.
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Post by: sg3 on December 26, 2017, 04:23:17 AM
No, she's a Fenwyr supporter. Hates Trump with every fiber of her being.Like 70+ % of all Americans.
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And 90-99% of all NYers who have had the misfortunate of seeing this disgusting, corrupt conman in action for years.
To know this piece of garbage is to hate his slimy guts
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 26, 2017, 12:48:15 PM
@RealDonaldtrump:I hope everyone is having a great Christmas, then tomorrow it’s back to work in order to Make America Great Again (which is happening faster than anyone anticipated)!Trumps definition of getting back to work is playing golf.
Get back to work peasants
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-goes-golf-course-said-hed-be-getting-back-work-759298?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
Post by: sg3 on December 26, 2017, 02:13:48 PM
A$$HOLE in Chief is looking for his tiny balls in the woods than when he is "working hard" for the Co*k Brothers
Post by: Miamipuck on December 26, 2017, 02:35:25 PM
Our Nation is far, far better off when the
A$$HOLE in Chief is looking for his tiny balls in the woods than when he is "working hard" for the Co*k Brothers
You can spell out C-O-C-K, afterall one will probably be in your mouth soon anyway.
Post by: sg3 on December 26, 2017, 03:38:21 PM
You can spell out C-O-C-K, afterall one will probably be in your mouth soon anyway.Just STFU and stop making an derriere of yourself
Jeez
Post by: Johnny English on December 26, 2017, 03:55:26 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 26, 2017, 04:13:49 PM
Looks like the season of peace and goodwill to all men is over.
Thanks Trump!!!
Post by: Johnny English on December 26, 2017, 04:41:30 PM
Thanks Trump!!!
Make America Grumpy Again
Post by: Miamipuck on December 26, 2017, 07:20:28 PM
Looks like the season of peace and goodwill to all men is over.
It's so easy to get his goat. lol
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 27, 2017, 10:39:16 AM
Make America Grumpy Again
It's so easy to get his goat. lol
He likes National League baseball. He's got a reason to be grouchy.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 27, 2017, 11:37:44 AM
He likes National League baseball. He's got a reason to be grouchy.There's that and apparently he likes lots of rooster.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 27, 2017, 11:51:37 AM
There's that and apparently he likes lots of rooster.
You can spell out C-O-C-K, afterall one will probably be in your mouth soon anyway.
Post by: sg3 on December 27, 2017, 02:32:18 PM
He likes REAL baseball. The one without fat washed up softball players who can't play a position and "play" and average of 4 minutes in a 3 hour game.
FYP
Also the one with managers having to make strategic decisions instead of sleeping in the dugout
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 27, 2017, 02:36:47 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 27, 2017, 04:00:37 PM
You can spell out C-O-C-K, afterall one will probably be in your mouth soon anyway.
Just one? come on give me more credit than that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 27, 2017, 04:18:58 PM
Just one? come on give me more credit than that.
Well, I mean, you still have your derriere, and two hands. Maybe I wasn't giving you enough credit?
FYI, I copied-and-pasted what you wrote above, so blame yourself.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 27, 2017, 05:59:28 PM
Well, I mean, you still have your derriere, and two hands. Maybe I wasn't giving you enough credit?
FYI, I copied-and-pasted what you wrote above, so blame yourself.
Holy excrement that is amazing, shocking and so sly you little devil you, I never would have realized in a nanosecond that's exactly what happened without you drawing a Diagram. I am just flabbergasted.
gfy. lol
Post by: Badger on December 27, 2017, 10:08:18 PM
https://splinternews.com/the-least-important-resistance-figures-of-2017-1821516772
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 28, 2017, 10:35:13 AM
Holy excrement that is amazing, shocking and so sly you little devil you, I never would have realized in a nanosecond that's exactly what happened without you drawing a Diagram. I am just flabbergasted.
gfy. lol
Choke on a Six Foot D!ck!
And best wishes for a Happy New Year.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 28, 2017, 12:33:29 PM
Choke on a Six Foot D!ck!
And best wishes for a Happy New Year.
Back at you Alio.............to be clear I mean the dick part. lol
Happy New Year to you and your family.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2018, 07:39:26 PM
A list of Trump’s Accomplishments in 2017:
1. Supreme Court Judge Gorsuch
2. Made friends with World leaders.
3. He took us out of TPP
4. Illegal immigration is now down 70%( the lowest in 17 years)
5. Consumer confidence highest since 2000 at index 125.6
6. Mortgage applications for new homes rise to a seven year high
7. Arranged from 7% to 24% Tariff on lumber from Canada
8. Bids for border wall are well underway
9. Pulled out of the lopsided Paris accord
10. Keystone pipeline approved
11. NATO allies boost spending by 4.3%
12. Allowing VA to terminate bad employees
13. Allowing private healthcare choices for veterans
14. More than 2,000,000. Jobs created
15. Median household income at a 7 year high
16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever in its history
17. China agreed to American import of beef
18. $89 Billion saved in regulation rollbacks
19. Rollback of A Regulation to boost coal mining
20. MOAB for ISIS
21. Travel ban reinstated
22. Executive order for religious freedom
23. Jump started NASA
24. $600 million cut from UN peacekeeping budget
25. Targeting of MS13 gangs
26. Deporting violent illegal immigrants
27. Signed 41 bills to date
28. Created a commission on child trafficking
29. Created a commission on voter fraud
30. Created a commission for opioids addiction
31. Giving power to states to drug test unemployment recipients
32. Unemployment lowest since May 2007
33. Historic Black College University initiative
34. Women In Entrepreneurship Act
35. Created an office for illegal immigrant crime victims
36. Reversed Dodd-Frank
37. Repealed DOT ruling which would have taken power away from local governments for infrastructure planning
38. Order to stop crime against law enforcement
39. End of DAPA program
40. Stopped companies from moving out of America
41. Promoted businesses to create American Jobs
42. Encouraged country to once again – ‘Buy American and hire American’
43. Cutting regulations – 2 for every one created
45. Review of all trade agreements to make sure they are America first
46. Apprentice program
47. Highest manufacturing surge in 3 years
48. $78 Billion promised reinvestment from major businesses like Exxon, Bayer, Apple, SoftBank, Toyota
49. Denied FBI a new building
50. $700 million saved with F-35 renegotiation
51. Saves $22 million by reducing white house payroll
52. Dept of Treasury reports a $182 billion surplus for April 2017 (2nd largest in history)
53. Negotiated the release of 6 US humanitarian workers held captive in Egypt
54. Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years
55. Signed An Executive Order To Promote Energy Independence and Economic Growth
56. Has already accomplished more to stop government interference into people’s lives than any President in the history of America
57. President Trump has worked with Congress to pass more legislation in his first 100 days than any President since Truman
58. Has given head executive of each branches 6 month time frame, dated March 15, 2017, to trim the fat, restructure and improve efficiency of their branch. (Observe the push-back the leaks the lies as entrenched POWER refuses to go silently into that good night!)
59. Last, refused his Presidential pay check. Donated it to Veterans issues
60. CUT TAXES > Americans can now keep much more money of their paycheck
MAGA!!!
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2018, 07:46:33 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2018, 07:57:49 PM
Did you actually read the list?
No
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2018, 07:59:07 PM
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@realDonaldTrump:North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!
How is this real life
Post by: Johnny English on January 02, 2018, 08:13:23 PM
How is this real life
Because people you know, who to all appearances seem like normal and well adjusted people, thought it was a good idea to vote for this deranged child.
Post by: reuben on January 02, 2018, 08:18:44 PM
60. CUT TAXES > Americans can now keep much more money of their paycheck
Greater Than
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 02, 2018, 08:20:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMwXR-1oajE
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2018, 10:10:10 PM
China agreed to American import of beef.
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2018, 10:36:18 PM
No
You don't have to read this article, just the headline.
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/02/donald-trump-administration-executive-orders/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2018, 10:55:13 PM
You don't have to read this article, just the headline.
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/02/donald-trump-administration-executive-orders/
Good?
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2018, 12:56:33 PM
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/steve-bannon-lost-mind-firing-trump-says
Post by: Fenwyr on January 03, 2018, 01:09:33 PM
Enjoy your extra $28 a paycheck for a few years. It should more than offset losing your local, state, property taxes and mortgage interest deductions.
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Post by: bojanglesman on January 03, 2018, 01:50:35 PM
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Statement from the President of the United States:
Steve Bannon has nothing to do with me or my Presidency. When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind. Steve was a staffer who worked for me after I had already won the nomination by defeating seventeen candidates, often described as the most talented field ever assembled in the Republican party.
Now that he is on his own, Steve is learning that winning isn’t as easy as I make it look. Steve had very little to do with our historic victory, which was delivered by the forgotten men and women of this country. Yet Steve had everything to do with the loss of a Senate seat in Alabama held for more than thirty years by Republicans.
Steve doesn’t represent my base—he’s only in it for himself.
Steve pretends to be at war with the media, which he calls the opposition party, yet he spent his time at the White House leaking false information to the media to make himself seem far more important than he was. It is the only thing he does well. Steve was rarely in a one-on-one meeting with me and only pretends to have had influence to fool a few people with no access and no clue, whom he helped write phony books.
We have many great Republican members of Congress and candidates who are very supportive of the Make America Great Again agenda. Like me, they love the United States of America and are helping to finally take our country back and build it up, rather than simply seeking to burn it all down.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 03, 2018, 01:54:44 PM
Trump might legitimately be the most stupid man on the planet.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2018, 02:50:34 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on January 03, 2018, 03:53:17 PM
Please, oh please, let Bannon meet with Mueller and then testify to Congress.Not saying Trump was always stupid. You don't con as many people as he has being full retard. But freaking with Bannon, who is the voice of the base that got him elected, shows he is full on dimentia mode now.
Trump might legitimately be the most stupid man on the planet.
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Post by: AlioTheFool on January 03, 2018, 04:00:18 PM
Not saying Trump was always stupid. You don't con as many people as he has being full retard. But freaking with Bannon, who is the voice of the base that got him elected, shows he is full on dimentia mode now.
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Sure, he's a moron for fighting with the figurehead leader of the base that elected him. But he's stupid for a far bigger reason. When you fall into the lion's cage, you don't go and kick the lion.
By full-on attacking Bannon, he's giving Bannon no reason to keep his mouth shut, and every incentive to sing like a bird. Kushner has to be shitting his pants right now.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 03, 2018, 04:04:19 PM
Sure, he's a moron for fighting with the figurehead leader of the base that elected him. But he's stupid for a far bigger reason. When you fall into the lion's cage, you don't go and kick the lion.Have you read the leaked bits of Bannon's book? Holy crap. I have a feeling, if granted immunity, Bannon could take the whole thing down.
By full-on attacking Bannon, he's giving Bannon no reason to keep his mouth shut, and every incentive to sing like a bird. Kushner has to be shitting his pants right now.
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Post by: Badger on January 03, 2018, 04:06:47 PM
Not saying Trump was always stupid. You don't con as many people as he has being full retard. But freaking with Bannon, who is the voice of the base that got him elected, shows he is full on dimentia mode now.I think Bannon represents a fringe more than the base. The base is still just "I want to pay less taxes and I don't care about the other stuff."
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Post by: AlioTheFool on January 03, 2018, 04:07:16 PM
Have you read the leaked bits of Bannon's book? Holy crap. I have a feeling, if granted immunity, Bannon could take the whole thing down.
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I've seen little bits, yeah. That's why I said I want him to talk to Mueller, then Congress.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 03, 2018, 04:10:52 PM
I think Bannon represents a fringe more than the base. The base is still just "I want to pay less taxes and I don't care about the other stuff."
I think that's the Republican base, but not Trump's. Standard Republicans would've held their noses and voted for Trump over Hillary either way, but that group of xenophobes mobilizing and getting to the polls is what won the election for Trump. They're the fringe of the right, but they're Trump's primary support.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 03, 2018, 05:41:21 PM
I think Bannon represents a fringe more than the base. The base is still just "I want to pay less taxes and I don't care about the other stuff."If only they were that intelligent. Without Bannon pulling the wool over their eyes, they might actually realize they are not getting a penny long term. Most probably won't, but some will.
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 03, 2018, 05:51:14 PM
I'm FB friends with a guy I grew up with. I was the 'richest' in our group, but we often hung out at the hell hole he called home. The guy got shitty grades, never went to college, stocks shelves for a megastore to this day for excrement money, lost the only woman that would ever marry him to cancer because they couldn't afford the right treatment, was always sort of a racist douchebag, and you know what's coming...
He voted for Trump and supports him to this day.
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Post by: Badger on January 03, 2018, 10:15:26 PM
As for the fringe, I provide a case study.
I'm FB friends with a guy I grew up with. I was the 'richest' in our group, but we often hung out at the hell hole he called home. The guy got shitty grades, never went to college, stocks shelves for a megastore to this day for excrement money, lost the only woman that would ever marry him to cancer because they couldn't afford the right treatment, was always sort of a racist douchebag, and you know what's coming...
He voted for Trump and supports him to this day.
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I don't blame him, all his problems were obviously caused by Mexicans, Muslims, and safe spaces on college campuses.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 04, 2018, 03:59:13 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/10-things-explosive-new-book-drawing-fire-fury-trump-160710575.html
Post by: bojanglesman on January 04, 2018, 04:18:07 PM
lolHe's gonna lose his excrement. More.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/10-things-explosive-new-book-drawing-fire-fury-trump-160710575.html
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2018, 02:05:47 PM
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“Here’s the deal,” a close Trump associate told Priebus. “In an hour meeting with him, you’re going to hear 54 minutes of stories, and they’re going to be the same stories over and over again.”
“Everybody was painfully aware of the increasing pace of his repetitions,” Wolff writes. “It used to be inside of 30 minutes he’d repeat, word-for-word and expression-for-expression, the same three stories — now it was within 10 minutes.”
And at Mar-a-Lago late last month, Trump “failed to recognize a succession of old friends.”
S U N D O W N
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2018, 11:59:18 AM
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(CNN) On Thursday, in a meeting with a senators and House members on immigration, the President of the United States, asked this: "Why do we want all these people from 'pooper countries' coming here?"
Yes, he said "pooper countries" -- apparently in reference to the fact that immigrants from places like El Salvador, Haiti and Africa were being protected in a potential bipartisan deal to preserve the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program and secure funding for border security.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 12, 2018, 12:07:00 PM
He's gonna lose his excrement. More.
In the immortal words of Vincent Gambini, everything this guy just said is bullshit.
Why this book is being taken seriously is beyond me.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 12, 2018, 01:18:29 PM
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Post by: Fenwyr on January 12, 2018, 01:20:25 PM
In the immortal words of Vincent Gambini, everything this guy just said is bullshit.Since you are a lawyer, this is an odd statement.
Why this book is being taken seriously is beyond me.
C_____ E_____
I'll let you fill in the blanks.
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Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2018, 01:28:04 PM
In the immortal words of Vincent Gambini, everything this guy just said is bullshit.
Why this book is being taken seriously is beyond me.
What I said has nothing to do with whether it's true or not, it's that it will him crazy. er.
Whether you agree with his policies or not, anyone with a skull can see he is arrogant and overconfident. Anyone suggesting he is stupid and incompetent is going to make him batty.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 12, 2018, 02:48:43 PM
What I said has nothing to do with whether it's true or not, it's that it will him crazy. er.
Whether you agree with his policies or not, anyone with a skull can see he is arrogant and overconfident. Anyone suggesting he is stupid and incompetent is going to make him batty.
He's stupid and incompetent #45 #MAGA
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Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2018, 02:50:44 PM
Since you are a lawyer, this is an odd statement.
C_____ E_____
I'll let you fill in the blanks.
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I can 100% believe most of what's in that book, Trump is a lunatic.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2018, 06:26:28 PM
Since you are a lawyer, this is an odd statement.
C_____ E_____
I'll let you fill in the blanks.
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Collateral Estoppel?
Post by: Jumbo on January 12, 2018, 07:10:24 PM
Collateral Estoppel?
Creamed Escarole
Post by: Fenwyr on January 12, 2018, 09:51:32 PM
Co____ Ev____
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Post by: Badger on January 12, 2018, 09:59:46 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2018, 10:11:26 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2018, 10:52:37 PM
Solid guesses. Still waiting for lawyer guy though.
Co____ Ev____
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colon evacuation
Post by: bojanglesman on January 13, 2018, 05:59:04 AM
colon evacuation4 honks
Post by: bojanglesman on January 13, 2018, 06:04:23 AM
Solid guesses. Still waiting for lawyer guy though.Cornhole evacuation
Co____ Ev____
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Copulation evening
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2018, 01:18:18 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-supporters-demand-london-mayor-sadiq-khan-arrest-11205566
Post by: Fenwyr on January 13, 2018, 03:09:35 PM
Poor snowflakes.Guess they got triggered.
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-supporters-demand-london-mayor-sadiq-khan-arrest-11205566
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Post by: reuben on January 13, 2018, 10:32:26 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2018, 05:47:34 PM
Obviously there's a really easy and obvious explanation, which is that it's highly likely that the White House doctor doesn't write his own tweets and public releases and someone in a corporate communications team fucked up with the spelling. It's clearly not any kind of proof of faking anything. However, they apparently also go on to claim that he weighed in at 199lbs and that's obviously complete bullshit, because there's no way that he weighed in at 199 at 6'2". I'm a 5'7" marathon runner and I weigh 160, that fat queynte has an arse the size of a bus and he's less than 40lbs heavier than me? He lives on McDonalds and the closest he's been to a gym is sneering at the guests who use the ones in his hotels. He's 250 without a shadow of a doubt.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 14, 2018, 05:51:34 PM
Post by: reuben on January 14, 2018, 07:38:44 PM
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2018, 07:59:39 PM
However, they apparently also go on to claim that he weighed in at 199lbs and that's obviously complete bullshit, because there's no way that he weighed in at 199 at 6'2". I'm a 5'7" marathon runner and I weigh 160, that fat queynte has an arse the size of a bus and he's less than 40lbs heavier than me? He lives on McDonalds and the closest he's been to a gym is sneering at the guests who use the ones in his hotels. He's 250 without a shadow of a doubt.
I lol'd.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2018, 11:27:30 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2018, 11:50:18 AM
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Trump: 'I'm the least racist person you will ever interview'
President Trump on Sunday pushed back on claims that he is a racist after facing immense scrutiny for reportedly describing several nations as "pooper countries" during a meeting with lawmakers last week.
"No. I'm not a racist. I'm the least racist person you will ever interview," Trump told reporters while entering Trump International Golf Course, according to a White House pool report.
The president also reportedly doubled down on his denial that he said the disparaging remark during the Oval Office meeting.
"Did you see what various senators in the room said about my comments? They were not made," Trump said.
Last week, the president faced widespread backlash after The Washington Post reported that Trump referred to immigrants from African nations, Haiti and El Salvador as people coming from "pooper countries."
The White House initially did not deny the comment.
Trump then tweeted on Friday that he did not say "anything derogatory about Haitians."
"Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said 'take them out.' Made up by Dems," he tweeted.
Love how this guy can just say whatever the freak he wants and then lie about it or claim fake news after. We’re living in bananaland!
The “least racist person” quote is freaking gold
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 16, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
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Trump is 75 inches and weighs 239 pounds, per the White House physician. At Trump's height, Trump is one pound from being considered obese, according to the NIH.
Post by: Johnny English on January 16, 2018, 04:46:08 PM
In other rather more interesting news, Bannon got server with a grand jury subpoena today. I won't claim to be any kind of authority on what that does or doesn't mean, but from what I understand they will likely exercise it rather than giving him the informal interview that the likes of Priebus and Cohen had.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 16, 2018, 04:54:56 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 16, 2018, 05:14:10 PM
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Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen has confirmed, under oath, that Trump did not say s***hole.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 16, 2018, 07:50:20 PM
She did no such thing. She deflected everything until Booker went balls deep on her. Just another traitorous lying queynte in the TLC brigade.
Post by: Badger on January 17, 2018, 11:20:57 PM
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Appearing on Sean Hannity's show on Fox News Channel this week, Eric Trump pointed to the stellar performance of his 401(k) as evidence that his father's economic policies were helping average Americans.
"I just opened up my 401(k), I haven't looked at it in a year. It's up by 35 percent. I didn't think retirement was possible, and now it is," Trump said.
Post by: Fenwyr on January 18, 2018, 02:25:42 AM
Kill yourself, Eric.Signed.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 18, 2018, 06:13:00 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 18, 2018, 11:38:39 AM
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Clifford [Stormy Daniels] also says Trump did not use a condom
A continued record of impeccable judgement
Also:
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Clifford said she met Trump at a celebrity golf tournament also attended by former Vice President Dan Quayle, Ray Romano, and the football player Ben Roethlisberger, who she says escorted her back to her room the next night after a party, at Trump’s request. Roethlisberger could not be reached for comment.
Donnie got sloppy 2nds
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2018, 10:33:00 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 22, 2018, 03:10:07 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 31, 2018, 12:18:38 PM
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President Donald Trump says he is not a feminist because he’s not solely supportive of women, but rather of all people.
“No, I wouldn’t say I’m a feminist,” Trump told British journalist Piers Morgan when asked if he considers himself a feminist during an interview with British broadcaster ITV that aired Sunday.
“That would be, maybe, going too far.”
“I’m for women. I’m for men. I’m for everyone. I think people have to go out … and they have to win,” Trump said. “And women are doing great, and I’m happy about that.”
Post by: Johnny English on February 05, 2018, 07:42:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/XR9RoKS.jpg)
I'll get the cannon.
Post by: reuben on February 05, 2018, 07:53:46 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 05, 2018, 08:07:35 PM
The financial genius doesn't know how to spell Dow Jones. I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Sadly, it appears it's fake. The fact that we immediately believed it probably says things about both Trump and us.
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 06, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Good to see us freak up another national disaster.
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2018, 01:33:05 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372634-pentagon-planning-grand-military-parade-for-trump-report
All hail Supreme Leader Chairman Trump.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 07, 2018, 01:54:10 PM
Welcome to the Democratic People's Republic of America.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/372634-pentagon-planning-grand-military-parade-for-trump-report
All hail Supreme Leader Chairman Trump.
I saw that excrement this morning. It's actually possible to both be shocked and unsurprised at the same time.
Anyone who still supports this guy is a traitor to the United States of America.
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2018, 04:15:44 PM
Anyone who still supports this guy is a traitor to the United States of America.
So far I've seen various attempts to deflect but for the most part they just pretend stuff like this isn't happening.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 08, 2018, 04:30:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 11, 2018, 06:26:57 PM
Post by: Hobbes3259 on February 18, 2018, 10:53:28 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170120/31e7e65cbab1ac2a8021a925d33ea354.jpg)
FWIW, I called his election, the day he announced.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 26, 2018, 06:28:33 PM
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Sarah Huckabee Sanders just clarified that when President Trump said earlier that he'd have run into the school with the active shooter, he didn't really mean that he'd run into a school with an active shooter but rather that he'd "be a leader"
Big if true. MAGA
Post by: bojanglesman on February 26, 2018, 06:54:43 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on February 28, 2018, 11:23:10 AM
Post by: insanity on February 28, 2018, 12:32:26 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXBNDUCX0AAnzFP.jpg)
It appears Trump thinks the Batman Tv show from the 60s is an accurate representation of how the world and crime works.
Get away from that bomb Joker!
Oh, you got me Trump!
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2018, 10:00:30 PM
Sean Spicer: January - March 2017
Mike Dubke: March - June 2017
Spicer: June - July 2017
Anthony Scaramucci: July 21, 2017 - July 31, 2017
Hope Hicks: August 2017 - February 28, 2018*
*indicates current high score
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2018, 11:51:16 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2018, 11:57:59 AM
Has anyone here actually gotten a federal tax break on their paycheck or a bonus from their work due to Trump’s tax plan?My federal tax went down a good bit. Not with a big company so no bonus.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 01, 2018, 02:14:21 PM
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2018, 03:58:27 PM
Has anyone here actually gotten a federal tax break on their paycheck or a bonus from their work due to Trump’s tax plan?Ever since I had kids all the money I earn just gets shoveled into an incinerator so I have no idea.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 01, 2018, 06:49:14 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2018, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2018, 09:04:40 PM
Y'all ready for the trade war, Canada? Canned Molson Ice is gonna get expensive to import now.
LOL trade war with Canada. We grow and dig the excrement that you want and need. You ain't getting into a trade war with us.
I'm willing to bet that the garbage he spewed today won't even stand. The Dow tumbled and the White House hasn't even confirmed the legality of the tariffs under existing trade agreements; he's an increasingly inept old fool out of his depth and flailing around in the hope of finding a new populist meme to buy himself another couple of days of peace.
This is where it gets fun. The guy is drowning and I'm going to enjoy watching people take turns to stand on his head.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2018, 09:29:19 PM
LOL trade war with Canada. We grow and dig the excrement that you want and need. You ain't getting into a trade war with us.Calm down friend, I agree with you. This is a retarded move on Trump's part. I just like talking about Molson Ice.
I'm willing to bet that the garbage he spewed today won't even stand. The Dow tumbled and the White House hasn't even confirmed the legality of the tariffs under existing trade agreements; he's an increasingly inept old fool out of his depth and flailing around in the hope of finding a new populist meme to buy himself another couple of days of peace.
This is where it gets fun. The guy is drowning and I'm going to enjoy watching people take turns to stand on his head.
You still need to come to our air-conditioner-looking stadium once a year to watch the Jets lose. I'll vouch for you with Prez Trump.
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2018, 09:33:20 PM
Calm down friend, I agree with you. This is a retarded move on Trump's part. I just like talking about Molson Ice.
I know you do. I suspect even Tommy would struggle to defend him of late, although I'm damn sure he'd give it a shot.
Once Trump has spent the next few months further tanking your economy, I'll use my new Canadian spending power and bring you down a case of authentic Molson Ice from Canada and we can toast him in the parking lot.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2018, 09:36:34 PM
I know you do. I suspect even Tommy would struggle to defend him of late, although I'm damn sure he'd give it a shot.Don't think I won't drink it. I like beer and beer-like liquids.
Once Trump has spent the next few months further tanking your economy, I'll use my new Canadian spending power and bring you down a case of authentic Molson Ice from Canada and we can toast him in the parking lot.
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2018, 09:38:23 PM
Don't think I won't drink it. I like beer and beer-like liquids.
Trust me, I'm capable of drinking some truly dreadful beer. I'm more than capable of looking at an array of draught taps and thinking, "Yes, what I fancy right now is a Coors Light".
I've never had Molson Ice but I imagine it's atrocious. I'm sure I'll still happily drink it though, assuming Guinness hasn't commandeered the case with which to make pizza.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2018, 09:41:34 PM
Trust me, I'm capable of drinking some truly dreadful beer. I'm more than capable of looking at an array of draught taps and thinking, "Yes, what I fancy right now is a Coors Light".
I've never had Molson Ice but I imagine it's atrocious. I'm sure I'll still happily drink it though, assuming Guinness hasn't commandeered the case with which to make pizza.
Anything-ice is awful. I'm the king of excrement-beer. It's not that I don't know it's awful, I just don't care.
On the other spectrum, are you bringing those maple whatever liquor thingies this year? We'll fine an exciting game to lose for you to drift down from the north.
PS- Bring aluminium.
Post by: Johnny English on March 01, 2018, 09:43:11 PM
Anything-ice is awful. I'm the king of excrement-beer. It's not that I don't know it's awful, I just don't care.
On the other spectrum, are you bringing those maple whatever liquor thingies this year?
Of course. Maple whiskey shooters and a funny accent are my traditional contributions to the tailgate party.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 01, 2018, 09:44:11 PM
Of course. Maple whiskey shooters and a funny accent are my traditional contributions to the tailgate party.Fabulous.
Post by: Johnny English on March 02, 2018, 10:45:49 AM
So. Much. Winning.
Post by: Badger on March 02, 2018, 11:21:37 AM
Post by: Hobbes3259 on March 04, 2018, 06:45:44 AM
Anything-ice is awful. I'm the king of excrement-beer. It's not that I don't know it's awful, I just don't care.
On the other spectrum, are you bringing those maple whatever liquor thingies this year? We'll fine an exciting game to lose for you to drift down from the north.
PS- Bring aluminium.
Four Loko, bitch.
Post by: Hobbes3259 on March 04, 2018, 06:46:41 AM
Of course. Maple whiskey shooters and a funny accent are my traditional contributions to the tailgate party.Damn, I thought it was your magnetic personality, and the exquisite use of words like poofter and queynte?
Post by: Hobbes3259 on March 04, 2018, 06:48:55 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2018, 07:31:30 AM
BTW, Trump is the excrement. Called his win, the minute he announced. He's got he IDGAF, that the left has used for so long. Been watching politics since I was 7. The dude is blunt force trauma. Highly amusing.Trump has a cannon arm.
Post by: Johnny English on March 07, 2018, 06:45:24 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-sues-trump-says-hush-agreement-invalid-because-he-n854246?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma
Post by: bojanglesman on March 07, 2018, 07:23:48 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 07, 2018, 09:29:51 AM
Hahaha George W. Bush Reportedly Sounds Off On Trump: 'Sorta Makes Me Look Pretty Good' (https://www.yahoo.com/news/george-w-bush-reportedly-sounds-065726918.html)
Post by: Badger on March 07, 2018, 10:12:58 AM
Hahaha George W. Bush Reportedly Sounds Off On Trump: 'Sorta Makes Me Look Pretty Good' (https://www.yahoo.com/news/george-w-bush-reportedly-sounds-065726918.html)
Haha great joke Dubya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
Post by: Badger on March 09, 2018, 12:17:21 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 11, 2018, 08:00:18 AM
Post by: reuben on March 11, 2018, 06:03:38 PM
Can't wait to see what glorious new campaign slogans he comes up with after his meeting with Kim Jong-un.
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2018, 08:34:36 AM
Today Tillerson was fired.
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2018, 08:54:01 AM
Yesterday Tillerson criticised Russia for the attempted assassination of a former Russian spy and his daughter on UK soil.Replaced by Mike Pompeo. Downgrade.
Today Tillerson was fired.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 13, 2018, 09:57:18 AM
Replaced by Mike Pompeo. Downgrade.
Good news is that America has plenty of cap space for next season.
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2018, 10:19:55 AM
Good news is that America has plenty of cap space for next season.
Like the blind squirrel....
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2018, 08:11:10 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 15, 2018, 10:35:18 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2018, 12:35:48 PM
He fires anyone whose opinion even slightly differs from his own, and anyone who doesn't lick the excrement from his poopchute.
It's becoming less and less hyperbolic to say he's pushing toward autocracy.
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Annual staff turnover for the whole of the McDonalds Group: 44%
The Trump Administration is marginally less well run than the average fast food franchise.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2018, 01:09:16 PM
White House staff turnover since Trump's inauguration: 45%
Annual staff turnover for the whole of the McDonalds Group: 44%
The Trump Administration is marginally less well run than the average fast food franchise.
And they both have a painted clown as the public face of the organization.
Though he might get ideas if he hears your comparison.
Trump: "You know how McDonald's turned their M upside down for International Women's Day? I want you guys to adjust the sign. Make it the Mhite House!"
Staff: ...
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2018, 01:30:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2018, 02:11:34 PM
Stormy Daniels' lawyer says that he's been approached by six other women who had similar affairs with Trump, at least two of whom have the same NDA.
Aka more prostitutes
Post by: Johnny English on March 16, 2018, 02:13:18 PM
Aka more prostitutes
Not sure that that interpretation of it helps Trump much.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 16, 2018, 03:11:42 PM
Not sure that that interpretation of it helps Trump much.
Helps him what exactly? Not look bad? I think we passed that point a long time ago
Post by: Miamipuck on March 16, 2018, 11:19:21 PM
Helps him what exactly? Not look bad? I think we passed that point a long time ago
nah
Post by: Johnny English on March 20, 2018, 04:25:13 PM
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In my view, Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration. When prime-time hosts--who have never served our country in any capacity--dismiss facts and empirical reality to launch profoundly dishonest assaults on the FBI, the Justice Department, the courts, the intelligence community (in which I served) and, not least, a model public servant and genuine war hero such as Robert Mueller--all the while scaremongering with lurid warnings of "deep-state" machinations-- I cannot be part of the same organization, even at a remove. To me, Fox News is now wittingly harming our system of government for profit.
As a Russia analyst for many years, it also has appalled me that hosts who made their reputations as super-patriots and who, justifiably, savaged President Obama for his duplicitous folly with Putin, now advance Putin's agenda by making light of Russian penetration of our elections and the Trump campaign. Despite increasingly pathetic denials, it turns out that the "nothing-burger" has been covered with Russian dressing all along. And by the way: As an intelligence professional, I can tell you that the Steele dossier rings true--that's how the Russians do things.. The result is that we have an American president who is terrified of his counterpart in Moscow.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/ralph-peters
Post by: reuben on March 20, 2018, 11:35:47 PM
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomnamako/ralph-peters
My favorite part:
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So, to all of you: Thanks, and, as our president's favorite world leader would say, "Das vidanya."
But seriously, freak this guy. He was happy contributing to the blizzard of propaganda that is Fox News for the duration of the Obama ("total hoo-ha") era, he doesn't get to take the high road now during the avalanche.
Post by: reuben on March 20, 2018, 11:38:16 PM
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President Trump did not follow specific warnings from his national security advisers Tuesday when he congratulated Russian President Vladimir Putin on his reelection — including a section in his briefing materials in all-capital letters stating “DO NOT CONGRATULATE,” according to officials familiar with the call.
No puppet.
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2018, 07:17:18 AM
But seriously, freak this guy. He was happy contributing to the blizzard of propaganda that is Fox News for the duration of the Obama ("total hoo-ha") era, he doesn't get to take the high road now during the avalanche.
Post by: Badger on March 21, 2018, 07:17:50 PM
https://theintercept.com/2018/03/21/pundit-ralph-peters-is-leaving-fox-news-because-its-too-gross-even-for-him-thats-an-extremely-low-bar/
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2018, 06:34:34 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 23, 2018, 11:18:19 AM
McMaster out, Bolton in, war is imminent.
Relax, we'll be OK.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9d/C497450i697.jpg/220px-C497450i697.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2018, 12:34:33 PM
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Crazy Joe Biden is trying to act like a tough guy. Actually, he is weak, both mentally and physically, and yet he threatens me, for the second time, with physical assault. He doesn’t know me, but he would go down fast and hard, crying all the way. Don’t threaten people Joe!
Post by: Johnny English on March 29, 2018, 04:37:43 PM
It really is time you took up the Second Amendment for its actual purpose and removed these lunatics at gunpoint.
Post by: reuben on April 02, 2018, 06:14:14 PM
Thanks Obama.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 03, 2018, 10:21:55 AM
The small government, big business Republican in the White House certainly knows how to freak with my mutual funds.
Thanks Obama.
freak the richest companies on the planet! freak China! freak Mexico! freak Canada! freak the Middle East! freak Europe! freak Everybody!
Except Russia. We love Russia. #nocollusion #princeputin #potuscheeto #foxnewsfortruth
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2018, 10:36:48 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 03, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
I actually have some degree of sympathy with the idea of breaking up Amazon, he just wants to do it for completely the wrong reasons. Also, you can't just target Amazon - Google, Facebook and Apple also have to be part of the conversation. There was actually a very interesting article about it in a recent edition of GQ or Esquire written by an economist who made some pretty compelling arguments for doing so. I'll see if I can dig it up.
I actually agree with you. I am very anti-megacorp.
But like you said, he's doing it for all the wrong reasons. And a trade war with China benefits exactly no one. For a guy who tooted his own horn about the stock market, he's doing everything in his power to assure it ends up in the toilet.
How is Trump, Jr. ever going to retire if his 401k tanks!? #thanksdad
Post by: reuben on April 03, 2018, 11:27:04 AM
I actually have some degree of sympathy with the idea of breaking up Amazon, he just wants to do it for completely the wrong reasons.
Same. freak Bezos, but not because of the plight of the poor federal postal workers.
Post by: Badger on April 03, 2018, 11:27:26 AM
I actually have some degree of sympathy with the idea of breaking up Amazon, he just wants to do it for completely the wrong reasons. Also, you can't just target Amazon - Google, Facebook and Apple also have to be part of the conversation. There was actually a very interesting article about it in a recent edition of GQ or Esquire written by an economist who made some pretty compelling arguments for doing so. I'll see if I can dig it up.Nationalize Amazon
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2018, 11:28:28 AM
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a15895746/bust-big-tech-silicon-valley/
It's quite long, took me two shits to read the whole thing.
Post by: reuben on April 03, 2018, 11:34:26 AM
But like you said, he's doing it for all the wrong reasons. And a trade war with China benefits exactly no one. For a guy who tooted his own horn about the stock market, he's doing everything in his power to assure it ends up in the toilet.
Wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out years from now that a slew of Trump buddies cashed in big time on this spontaneous "correction."
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2018, 12:02:58 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2018, 12:13:02 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/04/03/a-new-study-suggests-fake-news-might-have-won-donald-trump-the-2016-election/?utm_term=.2470788cd0c6
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Clinton was in “very poor health due to a serious illness”
Where’s the fake news?
Post by: reuben on April 03, 2018, 12:18:53 PM
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Clinton was in “very poor health due to a serious illness”
That goddamned video, that's when I knew Trump America was a very real possibility. And then she handled it like a Clinton and that just about did it.
The Doctor: "Don't you think she looks tired?"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2018, 12:25:57 PM
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Clinton approved weapons sales to Islamic jihadists, “including ISIS”
The fake news here is in the wording. Obviously she didn’t sell weapons directly to ISIS, but people connected the “Headline” to the end result.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2018, 12:28:49 PM
That goddamned video, that's when I knew Trump America was a very real possibility. And then she handled it like a Clinton and that just about did it.
The Doctor: "Don't you think she looks tired?"
Study shows 100% of trump supporters believed this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3787428/Does-Hillary-BODY-DOUBLE-Bizarre-conspiracy-theory-claims-pneumonia-stricken-candidate-replaced-lookalike.html
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Clinton apparently emerged from daughter's house 'with bigger earlobes'
Post by: Badger on April 03, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2018, 01:43:36 PM
Do they cover what % of Obama voters Clinton lost based on her history, her policies, and her campaign?
Yes, if you can do basic math.
Post by: Badger on April 06, 2018, 08:29:57 AM
Post by: reuben on April 06, 2018, 11:25:48 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 06, 2018, 11:33:32 AM
Seven months to midterms, people. Bring four friends.
And make sure they each bring 4 more.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 06, 2018, 12:43:13 PM
Seven months to midterms, people. Bring four friends.
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Haw Haw Haw-Russia
Post by: Badger on April 07, 2018, 01:39:15 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2018, 10:18:51 AM
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@realDonaldTrump:Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
Step 1) announce you are launching missiles
Step 2) launch missiles
Step 3) profit
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2018, 10:19:45 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 11, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/gorfmaster/SonicMissileCommand1.jpg)
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2018, 10:29:56 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2018, 10:35:35 AM
*insert literally any tweet this retard made during the last administration about how only an idiot would attack Syria*
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@seanhannity: Glad our arrogant Pres. is enjoying his taxpayer funded golf outing after announcing the US should take military action against Syria
9:42 PM - 3 Sep 2013
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 11, 2018, 11:59:46 AM
A bipartisan Senate group has drafted a bill to immediately review the case for just cause if Trump fires Mueller.
I don't like Pence at all, but at least he's not a raving lunatic putting the entire planet at risk of war.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2018, 12:50:42 PM
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@realDonaldTrump:Why do we keep broadcasting when we are going to attack Syria. Why can't we just be quiet and, if we attack at all, catch them by surprise?
8/29/13
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 11, 2018, 01:35:59 PM
I don't like Pence at all, but at least he's not a raving lunatic putting the entire planet at risk of war.Unless God tells him to.
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 11, 2018, 03:58:55 PM
Unless God tells him to.
Until he cleanses the United States of the gay, he already has his directive.
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2018, 07:19:15 PM
Unless God tells him to.
Worked for Dubya
Post by: Heismanberg on April 13, 2018, 08:28:47 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 14, 2018, 10:07:40 AM
- she was allegedly guilty of something that would require her to be investigated by the FBI
- she was likely to sign up to the TPP
- she would probably have gotten involved in the Syrian War
Good job on averting that particular crisis, America.
Post by: reuben on April 14, 2018, 02:56:49 PM
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@realDonaldTrump
A perfectly executed strike last night. Thank you to France and the United Kingdom for their wisdom and the power of their fine Military. Could not have had a better result. Mission Accomplished!
Phew, OK this Syria business is done and over with now.
(http://i.imgur.com/nIjqeYz.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 15, 2018, 03:30:39 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on April 16, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
Nothing to see here folks. Just keep moving the line.
Also, it turns out the previously undisclosed Michael Cohen client is Sean Hannity.
Seriously folks, keep it moving, nothing to see here at all.
Post by: Johnny English on April 20, 2018, 06:56:17 PM
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2018, 05:46:39 PM
He should fight for this, let's support our president.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 12:42:39 PM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 01:30:19 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 01:38:12 PM
Trump supporters were so excited to have a cultural icon on their side that "Kayne" was trending on Twitter.
I mean, it’s also trending because of the massive backlash he’s receiving.
Edit: wowwww. Haha
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
It's Kanye, but some of my plaques, they still say Kayne
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 27, 2018, 02:40:56 PM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 02:42:38 PM
I get that this works for both sides, but it's hilarious how people like LeBron get told to "stick to basketball" but now that Kanye is supporting Trump, people are scrambling to back up Kanye. And I bet 95% of these people hated Kanye last week.
@PATRIOT_EARL1959
KAYNE SHOULD STICK TO RAP HOP #MAGA #1488
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 03:23:21 PM
I get that this works for both sides, but it's hilarious how people like LeBron get told to "stick to basketball" but now that Kanye is supporting Trump, people are scrambling to back up Kanye. And I bet 95% of these people hated Kanye last week.
It does work both ways. there’s a giant movement to boycott the albums he’s releasing. Those people loved Kanye last week.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 03:27:09 PM
“What? Is Kanye CRAZY? Everything he’s said and done to this point have been so levelheaded and rational! Now he’s saying he likes Donald Trump?! This is not the type of erratic behavior one has come to expect from Ye!”
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2018, 07:27:42 PM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 07:59:43 PM
Figured Trump would get no love around these parts for brokering a peace agreement between North and South Korea.lol
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 08:00:03 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 27, 2018, 08:02:13 PM
Congrats on not freaking it up I guess
Disgusting.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2018, 08:08:22 PM
Congrats on not freaking it up I guess
Lol, whatever. How's that narrative that Trump is going to lead us to WW3 going?
Can't wait to see this place explode when he gets re-elected.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 08:16:19 PM
Lol, whatever. How's that narrative that Trump is going to lead us to WW3 going?
I don't know, you should ask someone who believed that narrative.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2018, 08:17:09 PM
I don't know, you should ask someone who believed that narrative.
It was parroted around these parts along with MUH RUSSIA for months.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 08:20:56 PM
MUH RUSSIA
Yes, another narrative just as stupid as the one suggesting Trump is responsible for Korean reconciliation.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2018, 08:28:49 PM
Yes, another narrative just as stupid as the one suggesting Trump is responsible for Korean reconciliation.
Lol wut.
You can't even compare the two. One was completely manufactured by a leftist media so incredibly befuddled and desperate after being handed the L.
The other is verifiable fact. President Moon has fallen over himself to give Trump credit for opening the door to any sort of meaningful discussion. But hey, what does he know.
FFS, at least tell me something like the North Koreans aren't to be trusted and will probably renege, because that's at least a very viable possibility.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 08:30:33 PM
If he lifts sanctions and withdraws our military presence from the peninsula I'll be impressed.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2018, 08:32:28 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 27, 2018, 08:39:28 PM
Liberal media pushes the Russia story, leftist media points out the endless freak-ups of Clinton and the DNC. If you can't tell the difference you're streets behind.
Just a quality Community reference right there. Well placed.
Replace liberal with corporate and leftist with liberal-progressive and I don't disagree. Greenwald and Caitlin Johnstone have been fantastic reads over the last several months.
Post by: Johnny English on May 02, 2018, 10:09:09 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/us/politics/trump-michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-giuliani.html
Post by: Johnny English on May 03, 2018, 10:49:11 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tariffs-trade-war-great-depression-mistake-2018-5
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 04, 2018, 09:35:40 AM
freaking pinkos. Don't they know what an amazing businessman he is?
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tariffs-trade-war-great-depression-mistake-2018-5
That's okay. China has decided to get its soybean imports from elsewhere in response to Trump. It's only $15 billion lost for midwest American farmers. NBD.
Post by: Badger on May 04, 2018, 01:01:47 PM
That's okay. China has decided to get its soybean imports from elsewhere in response to Trump. It's only $15 billion lost for midwest American farmers. NBD.
They can just become clean coal miners.
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2018, 03:54:53 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 09, 2018, 07:49:40 PM
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Reporter: Do you deserve the Nobel Prize?
Pres. Trump: "Everyone thinks so, but I would never say it
Hahahahahahaha
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 10, 2018, 11:33:37 AM
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@realDonaldTrunp:Five Most Wanted leaders of ISIS just captured!
Big if true
Post by: insanity on May 10, 2018, 12:58:27 PM
Big if true
https://i.imgur.com/CCFiWgF.gifv (https://i.imgur.com/CCFiWgF.gifv)
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2018, 09:39:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 14, 2018, 04:41:30 PM
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2018, 07:38:46 AM
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Gates then described two meetings in Trump Tower in which he urged the president to become a leader in science and innovation, perhaps by accelerating progress toward an HIV vaccine.
“In both of those two meetings he asked me if vaccines weren't a bad thing because he was considering a commission to look into ill-effects of vaccines,” Gates said. “And somebody, Robert Kennedy Jr., was advising him that vaccines were causing bad things and I said, ‘No, that is a dead end, that would be a bad thing, do not do that.’”
There were laughs and groans from the audience after Gates added: “Both times he wanted to know the difference between HIV and HPV and so I was able to explain that those are things that are rarely confused with each other.”
Post by: Johnny English on May 18, 2018, 11:02:54 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2018, 09:36:31 PM
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Bad News For The #Resistance: Sources Close To Mueller Are Suggesting The Pee Tape Is Real, But It Is Hot As Hell, Maybe The Sexiest Event Ever Caught On Camera
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2018, 09:38:31 PM
Sorry, #Resistance, but it doesn’t look like this one’s going to play out in our favor.
Unlike the vile, hateful scene described in the controversial Steele dossier, two anonymous FBI officials have now confirmed that the storied 2013 video of Trump ordering prostitutes to urinate on a bed in the Moscow Ritz-Carlton is actually a breathtaking visual feast of unparalleled erotic beauty, so captivating in its raw sensual power that it can arouse virtually anyone, regardless of sexual orientation. Sources familiar with the footage say that it begins with Trump—shirtless, in white briefs and black dress socks—sitting on the end of a luxurious king-size bed, beckoning forth two stunningly gorgeous blond women and asking them “You hookers got any pee in ya?” as they sidle up next to him, sensually stroking his broad, hairy shoulders. It’s then that things start getting really, really hot.
“This is happening at The Ritz, mind you, and the lighting is very flattering, so when the women begin urinating, it’s like heavenly founts spouting from angels, with all this residual mist glittering in the wash of golden light—it aroused me in a way I’ve never been aroused before,” one source revealed, noting that the aesthetics are complimentary even to Trump, whose typically garish spray tan is muted into a healthy, exotic glow, and whose ample stretch-marked paunch redistributes flatteringly as he lies back to delight in the women’s emissions, revealing the hidden, youthful brawn that’s long been entombed in girth. “What they’re doing isn’t quite sex, but something more profound, where you see this old man becoming young again in real time, revitalized beneath the twin arches of holy water spraying out of these prostitutes’ urethras. And there’s this big room-service spread, so you’ve got all these picturesque wedges of cheese and roasted meats, and the women are feeding him grapes in a way that makes it feel like you’re watching a living Caravaggio painting.”
“It transcends pornography, really,” he continued. “If this thing ever leaks, people aren’t gonna be able to stop watching it. It’s that hot. No matter where you align politically, you will come away from watching this believing Trump is the greatest president in U.S. history.”
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2018, 06:31:56 AM
Post by: insanity on May 22, 2018, 01:30:48 PM
Trump eliminates top cyber-security role...
... It's like he wants to make it easier for our enemies to hack us.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2018, 01:25:53 PM
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CNN and MSNBC are opting not to carry the president's roundtable on immigration and the violent MS-13 gang
Bonus stormy Daniels coverage coming up next
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2018, 01:52:05 PM
TL;DR: the BBC is reporting that they have multiple sources with proof that Cohen took money to arrange a meeting at the White House between Trump and the President of Ukraine, upon completion of which Ukraine dropped its investigation into Manafort and stopped communicating with US intelligence sources, and shortly after that the US announced an arms deal with Ukraine.
Post by: IATA on May 23, 2018, 02:27:57 PM
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2018, 03:40:42 PM
Bonus stormy Daniels coverage coming up next
Implying (((MS-13))) isn't just the equivalent catnip for Fox News viewers
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2018, 03:50:53 PM
Implying (((MS-13))) isn't just the equivalent catnip for Fox News viewers
Almost threw in my opinion that having a press conference on MS13 is completely worthless but decided to CNN it
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2018, 07:49:53 PM
Almost threw in my opinion that having a press conference on MS13 is completely worthless but decided to CNN itI think we can all agree that Russia did MS-13.
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2018, 08:05:19 PM
I think we can all agree that Russia did MS-13.
Pretty sure Hillary Clinton was one of the founders.
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2018, 08:57:28 PM
Pretty sure Hillary Clinton was one of the founders.
But have you considered GEORGE SOROS?
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2018, 08:59:29 PM
But have you considered GEORGE SOROS?
Can't possibly be involved. As someone who leans centre-left, he sends me a cheque every month to deny his involvement.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 24, 2018, 12:29:57 PM
Trump is single-handedly ruining the world reputation of the United States. And seemingly, the GOP loves every bit of it. I can no longer fathom what the right thinks is the end game here. Power grabs are nice and all, but if the US is a shell of itself, what exactly are you exerting power over?
Oh, and Harley Davidson took its nice tax break and went ahead and closed a factory and is exploring moving manufacturing to Tailand. NBD.
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2018, 01:08:35 PM
On a serious note though, reduction of any (preferably all) hostility from the US towards NK is great. And SK is smart enough to pay compliments to our big boy president so he feels good about himself.
If he lifts sanctions and withdraws our military presence from the peninsula I'll be impressed.
So much for this.
Post by: Johnny English on May 24, 2018, 02:18:23 PM
So much for this.
The great deal maker strikes again. I'm honestly not sure he could successfully place an order at Subway.
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2018, 02:59:04 PM
The great deal maker strikes again. I'm honestly not sure he could successfully place an order at Subway.
Look, having Subway — my uncle was a great sandwich artist, Mr. John Trump at the MIT cafeteria; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Sandwiches, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to sandwich school, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a lot of sandwiches — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the Subway deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — Subway is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four breads — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the sweet onion sauce; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but Subway are great negotiators, Quiznos are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 24, 2018, 02:59:53 PM
The great deal maker strikes again. I'm honestly not sure he could successfully place an order at Subway.
It would be the best sandwich ever. Packed with flavor. So much flavor. You'd get tired of all the flavor.
EDIT: Damnit Badger.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 24, 2018, 03:12:38 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 25, 2018, 09:11:18 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 25, 2018, 09:14:38 AM
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...Duran, the aforementioned Mayor of West Hollywood who handed her the key, mires the entire event in hypocrisy.
Duran complimented Daniels on her fortitude as she takes on the president and exposes his alleged corruption, like the $130,000 hush payment she received from Cohen, while ignoring the fact that his own purported sexual misconduct cost the city of West Hollywood $500,000 in settlement money. Duran is accused of meeting a man named Ian Owens on Grindr, having sex with him, and then hiring him as his deputy. Owens then claimed he was frequently propositioned by Duran (“well over 100 times,” he alleges) and was made to organize a list of contacts he’d had sex with. Owens subsequently sued and the city awarded him $500,000 to settle his claim.
If Stormy Daniels Day, a proclamation created by Duran himself, is to celebrate someone who was sexually misused by a man in power and then paid off, shouldn’t Owens have been standing at the podium beside Daniels? But then again, positioning Daniels beside Duran offered him the photo op he seemed to crave as he grinned through Daniels’ speech.
Lmao
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2018, 04:54:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2018, 12:12:20 PM
So let's be clear here. It's OK to completely disregard such irritating laws as campaign finance restrictions as long as your guy wins, because he can basically just wipe the slate clean for you. Doesn't count as long as you win.
Keep draining that swamp.
Post by: Pope on May 31, 2018, 12:23:27 PM
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Post by: Badger on May 31, 2018, 12:52:56 PM
Surely... SURELY Drumpf is DONE for this time
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Sir, SIR, have you no decency?!
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2018, 05:08:09 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2018, 11:23:41 PM
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2018, 06:43:23 AM
So, er, anyone want to try and make an argument for why this is a good idea for the US, or how this can possibly turn out well for you?
in b4 Trump is rich and therefore very smart so this must be a good idea
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2018, 05:58:09 PM
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a21048894/michael-avenatti-interview-trump-afraid-of-me/
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2018, 09:25:49 PM
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2148942/zte-hired-trump-campaign-veteran-one-day-after-us-president-said
America is for sale. And some of you are just slurping it up.
Post by: MBGreen on June 07, 2018, 10:38:57 AM
You guys really need to impeach this clown ASAP.
Post by: Badger on June 07, 2018, 10:43:16 AM
https://nypost.com/2018/06/06/trump-wrongly-accused-canada-of-torching-white-house-in-war-of-1812/
You guys really need to impeach this clown ASAP.
You guys should just burn down the WH again.
Post by: MBGreen on June 07, 2018, 10:44:54 AM
You guys should just burn down the WH again.the tariffs levied on the materials required make this unaffordable.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 07, 2018, 10:55:39 AM
the tariffs levied on the materials required make this unaffordable.
This is how trade wars are won! #MAGA
Post by: bojanglesman on June 07, 2018, 11:47:59 AM
Also Hispanic legal representation within 5 miles of the Mexican border is up 534% #TrumpEconomy
Puerto Rican casket makers are winning right now.
What are y'all bitching about? Sooooo much winning.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 07, 2018, 11:55:10 AM
One such delivery happened last night. She had a little old lady (70-something) get held up in S Korea and interrogated by their customs. The woman was literally only carrying a movie on a hard drive for showing in a theater. The poor woman was terrified.
Trump is making life dangerous for Americans abroad, even in what are considered friendly (or at least allied) nations.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 08, 2018, 10:17:53 AM
My dad says that international economic competition is heating up because the United States is getting too fat and too lazy. My dad says we think we deserve jobs.
My dad says that we don’t.
-Anders Holmvick
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2018, 04:29:40 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 11, 2018, 04:37:55 PM
MDPRKGATell Kim that the US has breakfast all day at McDonald's. Real the rewards.
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2018, 10:26:08 AM
Justin Trudeau is a "backstabber" who has "a special place in hell" waiting for him.
If you voted for this queynte then you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 12, 2018, 11:41:45 AM
Kim Jong-Un is a "great leader of his people".
Justin Trudeau is a "backstabber" who has "a special place in hell" waiting for him.
If you voted for this queynte then you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.
His supporters keep doubling down too. It's unreal.
Worse yet, I'm seeing more and more of his sheeple saying they really only support him because he triggers libtards; they don't give a excrement what his policies are or what damage he does.
I also saw someone working in the White House said before the meeting happened that the administration's stance on foreign policy is "We're America bitch!"
I have no desire to see the United States collapse. But there are people in this country who want to watch it all burn just because they don't like elitist intellectuals, or city-dwellers, or whatever imagined enemy they've created out of the left.
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2018, 12:25:03 PM
Kim Jong-Un is a "great leader of his people".To be clear the summit was a good thing though.
Justin Trudeau is a "backstabber" who has "a special place in hell" waiting for him.
If you voted for this queynte then you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 12, 2018, 02:09:01 PM
To be clear the summit was a good thing though.
Was it?
So far, the only thing that's come out of it is the United States backstabbing another ally by committing to end the joint military exercises with South Korea, and a vague promise by Kim to maybe-sorta denuclearize.
As much as I hate Trump, I'd applaud it if he were to get NK to fully disarm their nuclear program. I just don't think it's going to happen and in the end, we've insulted yet more allies and embraced more enemies.
Post by: guinness77 on June 12, 2018, 02:13:52 PM
It’s a bold strategy, to say the least.
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2018, 03:16:31 PM
Was it?
So far, the only thing that's come out of it is the United States backstabbing another ally by committing to end the joint military exercises with South Korea, and a vague promise by Kim to maybe-sorta denuclearize.
As much as I hate Trump, I'd applaud it if he were to get NK to fully disarm their nuclear program. I just don't think it's going to happen and in the end, we've insulted yet more allies and embraced more enemies.
This is a good take on it:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/south-koreans-are-still-hopeful-after-the-trump-kim-summit
As a general rule of thumb we should listen to the people who actually live on the Korean peninsula over Western pundits.
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2018, 03:22:35 PM
On a serious note though, reduction of any (preferably all) hostility from the US towards NK is great. And SK is smart enough to pay compliments to our big boy president so he feels good about himself.
If he lifts sanctions and withdraws our military presence from the peninsula I'll be impressed.
He talked the talk, now he needs to walk the walk. He can't control whether or not Kim denuclearizes, and it shouldn't be held up as a condition for the US to do the right thing.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 12, 2018, 03:40:12 PM
This is a good take on it:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/south-koreans-are-still-hopeful-after-the-trump-kim-summit (https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/south-koreans-are-still-hopeful-after-the-trump-kim-summit)
As a general rule of thumb we should listen to the people who actually live on the Korean peninsula over any American pundit.
Well, I mean, sure, you can kind of write off things said by American media, but...
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Although Trump had spent Monday calling Moon and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to consolidate support, Moon’s government seemed blindsided by Trump’s unilateral decision to end the joint military exercises. A spokesman for Moon said the government needed more information “to understand” Trump’s intentions.
Not even Americans, much less pundits.
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“U.S. gives up one of our biggest negotiating chips — military exercises,” Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) wrote on Twitter. “North Korea ends up BACKTRACKING on previous promises on denuclearization.”
American, but not a pundit. But is a Democrat.
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Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) cautioned that the summit “must be followed by multiple meetings to test North Korea’s promises of denuclearization, which they have made in the past and then repeatedly violated.”
American. Not a pundit. Republican.
For reference, my post on 4/27/18I assume when you say "do the right thing" you mean just lift sanctions and remove the military from South Korea. We have different interpretations of "the right thing."
He talked the talk, now he needs to walk the walk. He can't control whether or not Kim denuclearizes, and it shouldn't be held up as a condition for the US to do the right thing.
I'd love to see the lifting of sanctions and the return of our troops, but only if it's a result of denuclearizing North Korea. Even if we assume NK isn't a direct threat to our own citizens, it is absolutely a threat to South Korea and Japan.
I absolutely disagree with the idea that disarmament shouldn't be a specific condition of a reversal of US action against NK.
Post by: IATA on June 12, 2018, 04:12:51 PM
Trump says he’ll punish ‘the people of Canada’ because of Trudeau’s news conference
can someone just assassinate this fuckin guy yet or what?
fbi/nsa: im not going to, i simply wish he was dead
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2018, 04:28:03 PM
Well, I mean, sure, you can kind of write off things said by American media, but...
Not even Americans, much less pundits.
American, but not a pundit. But is a Democrat.
American. Not a pundit. Republican.I assume when you say "do the right thing" you mean just lift sanctions and remove the military from South Korea. We have different interpretations of "the right thing."
I'd love to see the lifting of sanctions and the return of our troops, but only if it's a result of denuclearizing North Korea. Even if we assume NK isn't a direct threat to our own citizens, it is absolutely a threat to South Korea and Japan.
I absolutely disagree with the idea that disarmament shouldn't be a specific condition of a reversal of US action against NK.
Why should NK denuclearize?
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2018, 08:03:02 PM
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/06/12/we-just-shook-hands-trump-confused-by-trudeaus-pushed-around-comment-after-g7-summit.html
Trump says he’ll punish ‘the people of Canada’ because of Trudeau’s news conference
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/06/trump-admin-escalates-trade-war-with-canada-by-renaming-canadian-bacon-cuck-ham/
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 13, 2018, 11:26:13 AM
Why should NK denuclearize?
I understand your point, and frankly, I don't care how hypocritical it is for Americans to tell others to denuclearize. If not for Russia owning so many nukes, I'd want the US to denuclearize too. The whole damn world should tank the nuclear weapon, but let's be realistic, that's not going to happen with the big nations.
My concern with NK is that there's a despot who has gone so far as to kill his own family members, who has fired rockets toward nations we consider friends. Forget even being able to reach the US mainland. I'd like to not see Japan or South Korea suffer an attack (again, I know, hypocrisy).
I'm certainly in favor of reducing tensions between the US and NK. And it will be great if Trump pulls this off. Still, it's ridiculous to betray our allies in the meantime.
Post by: Badger on June 14, 2018, 07:08:13 AM
Hellworld, baby.
Post by: Johnny English on June 14, 2018, 01:02:53 PM
Post by: Jumbo on June 14, 2018, 02:18:19 PM
I just had a flash-forward to 2021 of President [Insert Centrist Dem] backing out of the NK peace deal the same jackass way Trump did with Iran.
Hellworld, baby.
Dems aren't exactly trending towards nominating a centrist right now
Post by: IATA on June 14, 2018, 02:55:31 PM
Dems aren't exactly trending towards nominating a centrist right now
at the rate these pussies are going, they'll nominate hillary again because freak it, its her destiny.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 14, 2018, 07:26:41 PM
Post by: Badger on June 14, 2018, 10:28:58 PM
Dems aren't exactly trending towards nominating a centrist right now
Never underestimate the primary process and its ability to weed out anything good from happening.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 15, 2018, 12:28:08 AM
Deez Nuts is always out there.Got em!
Post by: Johnny English on June 15, 2018, 07:48:52 AM
Oops.
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2018, 11:03:59 PM
https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/1007604299713667073
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 18, 2018, 09:55:36 AM
Awesome thread.
https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/1007604299713667073
I saw random pieces of this RT'd over the past couple of days, but I just scrolled through it. That was fantastic.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2018, 12:17:19 PM
Build the Space Wall
MSGA! skrkrkrskr
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 18, 2018, 12:23:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2018, 12:24:46 PM
@AP:BREAKING: Trump announces he's directing Pentagon to create 'space force' as independent service branch.
Build the Space Wall
MSGA! skrkrkrskr
Because freak international treaties, right? The sooner you people tear this freaking prick down, the better.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2018, 12:45:18 PM
Good thinkin’! Stop them space immigrants right in their tracks before they TOOK EUR JERBS!
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2018, 12:49:32 PM
@POTUS: "When it comes to defending America it is not enough to merely have an American presence in space, we must have American dominance in space."
Good thinkin’! Stop them space immigrants right in their tracks before they TOOK EUR JERBS!
Did he seriously say that?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2018, 12:52:24 PM
Did he seriously say that?
https://mobile.twitter.com/foxbusiness/status/1008755919348527105
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2018, 01:02:28 PM
"Someone get that black fella with the mustache on all those space shows. He'll know what to do. Promise him a black guy get outta jail free card. I'll even autograph it. Tremendous."
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2018, 03:20:00 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/foxbusiness/status/1008755919348527105
I honestly don't have words. What a shameful state some of your idiot countrymen have got you into.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2018, 03:22:22 PM
I honestly don't have words. What a shameful state some of your idiot countrymen have got you into.
Thanks Obama? I got nothin else.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2018, 03:24:00 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2018, 03:28:14 PM
Gonna be pretty sweet when I can live on TrumpUSA: Mars doe
Fyp
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2018, 03:35:54 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 18, 2018, 04:14:34 PM
I honestly don't have words. What a shameful state some of your idiot countrymen have got you into.Double rent on TrumpMars for this guy. Also the TrumpJets will not offer you tickets. PS they are bringing back Laron Landry.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2018, 04:50:47 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 18, 2018, 08:15:11 PM
I saw random pieces of this RT'd over the past couple of days, but I just scrolled through it. That was fantastic.
It was the idiotic ramblings of a woefully misinformed queynte.
But sure, yeah, so courageous. So brave.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 19, 2018, 11:32:38 AM
Quote from: AlioTheFool
I've been saying it since the beginning. freak Trump, freak his followers, and freak you if you think I'm wrong for saying it. Don't even bother trying to engage me if you even fractionally disagree. #FuckTrumpQuote from: Chuck WendigAnyway. Whatever. Point is: freak Trump, and freak anybody who says you can't say that, and freak anybody who thinks saying freak Trump is the problem and not, say, the Deep, Terrifying freaking the Trump Administration is delivering to America right now, every day, every 5 minutes.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 19, 2018, 11:34:44 AM
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2018, 12:04:04 PM
Oh, also, is anyone surprised that the POS in chief made an announcement about a space force (which is already part of the US armed forces anyway), on the same day some really awful news broke about how his policy is putting children in cages away from their parents forever?
How come the deficit hawks aren't whining "but howwww are we gonna payyyyyy for itttttttt?" like they do for healthcare and education?
Post by: Coach K on June 19, 2018, 12:14:38 PM
How come the deficit hawks aren't whining "but howwww are we gonna payyyyyy for itttttttt?" like they do for healthcare and education?
because regardless of the location on the political spectrum, the dialogue on almost any topic has devolved into "ONLY MY OUTRAGE IS JUSTIFIED!" *insert a Republicon, or Libtard reference*
Illegal aliens, real aliens, the guy is definitely Buzz Lightyear+ Pat Buchanan
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 19, 2018, 12:38:48 PM
Post by: IATA on June 19, 2018, 12:58:07 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 19, 2018, 01:15:46 PM
I posted the following on Twitter yesterday. I'll repost it here for posterity, with no further comment.
Lol k. How old are you again?
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2018, 01:45:48 PM
Lol k. How old are you again?
You could ask the president the same thing, but he's experiencing the normal declining mental faculties for someone his age.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 19, 2018, 01:57:17 PM
You could ask the president the same thing, but he's experiencing the normal declining mental faculties for someone his age.
Interesting take considering your chosen candidate is four years older.
Surely you see the level of cringe in that type of excrement. freak YEW! YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME, FUCKKKKK YEWWW!!! It's pretty insane.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 19, 2018, 01:58:45 PM
How come the deficit hawks aren't whining "but howwww are we gonna payyyyyy for itttttttt?" like they do for healthcare and education?
Because laser guns, and awesome space cowboys! Duh!
We'll jail, abuse, and kill all aliens, not just the brown ones!
Post by: mj2sexay on June 19, 2018, 02:35:32 PM
Because laser guns, and awesome space cowboys! Duh!
We'll jail, abuse, and kill all aliens, not just the brown ones!
What a ridiculously false and hyperbolic statement. Yeah, you seem to definitely be part of Wendig's target demo.
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2018, 03:35:16 PM
Interesting take considering your chosen candidate is four years older.
Yeah, but he doesn't sound like his brain is melting.
Post by: Badger on June 20, 2018, 03:44:18 PM
Long way to go but a step in the right direction.
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President Donald Trump, under pressure from angry members of his own party, signed on Wednesday an executive order that is meant to keep families together at the border, halting a policy he instituted earlier this year.
"It's about keeping families together while ensuring we have a powerful border," Trump said of the order.
Trump said the order "will solve that problem" of children being separated from their parents, but that it wouldn't end his administration's "zero tolerance" policy of charging everyone who attempts to cross the U.S.-Mexico border illegally, a decision that led to the current crisis.
"I didn’t like sight of families being separated," Trump said.
Earlier in the day, Trump had said he'd "be doing something that's somewhat pre-emptive and ultimately will be matched by legislation I’m sure," after he was asked if he wanted to try to keep to families together at the U.S. border.
Trump did not disclose exactly what he would be signing, but an administration official confirmed to NBC News that an executive order had been drafted by the departments of Justice and Homeland Security to temporarily stop separating children from the parents of people detained at the border.
Government officials familiar with early drafts of the executive order also told NBC News it would allow families to be detained together but would not stop the "zero tolerance" policy of charging people with a misdemeanor for entering illegally.
Several administration officials say the executive order would allow families to be held in immigration detention together. That will run up against a longstanding federal court decree that prohibits the government from holding children in detention for long periods — generally around 20 days.
The order will also move up hearings for families in detention, putting them at the head of the line, to speed up that processing, officials said.
It remains unclear how the government will get around the immediate separations that occur when the parents are charged with a crime and taken to court for entering illegally. But officials say they believe they have found a way to continue those charges without separating the children.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 20, 2018, 07:06:54 PM
Yesterday: Senator Cruz (Lion Ted) floats a proposal that would streamline the asylum process to a 14 day window and end the practice of separation with absolutely no attachments regarding the wall.
Democrats: We're not going to consider that, Trump could easily end this with a stroke of a pen.
Trump Today: Ok, I wanted Congress to act on this, but in the interest of just ending the practice, I'll sign an EO. We have no choice though, but to then hold these people with their children indefinitely while we process their asylum claims until we come up with a legislative fix.
Democrats on the Senate floor: INDEFINITE DETENTION WAS THE PLAY ALL ALONG! DRUMPF'S A FASCIST!
This is such a freaking shameful display of self aggrandizing and political grandstanding.
Post by: Badger on June 20, 2018, 07:47:58 PM
To recap:
Yesterday: Senator Cruz (Lion Ted) floats a proposal that would streamline the asylum process to a 14 day window and end the practice of separation with absolutely no attachments regarding the wall.
Democrats: We're not going to consider that, Trump could easily end this with a stroke of a pen.
Trump Today: Ok, I wanted Congress to act on this, but in the interest of just ending the practice, I'll sign an EO. We have no choice though, but to then hold these people with their children indefinitely while we process their asylum claims until we come up with a legislative fix.
Democrats on the Senate floor: INDEFINITE DETENTION WAS THE PLAY ALL ALONG! DRUMPF'S A FASCIST!
This is such a freaking shameful display of self aggrandizing and political grandstanding.
If only Dems didn't control the senate.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 20, 2018, 08:01:18 PM
If only Dems didn't control the senate.
I know you're intelligent enough to know that this sort of legislation requires 60 votes. Stop that.
Post by: Badger on June 20, 2018, 10:26:18 PM
I know you're intelligent enough to know that this sort of legislation requires 60 votes. Stop that.
I'm sure they could have found enough Dems shitty enough to support speeding up deportations if they tried harder. The senate isn't a rubber stamp for every Ted Cruz bill, you know.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 20, 2018, 10:34:20 PM
I'm sure they could have found enough Dems shitty enough to support speeding up deportations if they tried harder. The senate isn't a rubber stamp for every Ted Cruz bill, you know.
OBSTRUCTIONIST!
In all seriousness, what is the end goal? A return of catch and release, which was disastrous? Open borders?
Post by: Jumbo on June 21, 2018, 01:15:56 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 21, 2018, 05:22:31 AM
Post by: Johnny English on June 21, 2018, 04:53:21 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/21/melania-trump-jacket-i-dont-care-child-detention-center-visit-clothes?CMP=share_btn_fb
Post by: mj2sexay on June 21, 2018, 10:39:18 PM
It is becoming abundantly clear that this entire administration is the world's largest practical joke.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/21/melania-trump-jacket-i-dont-care-child-detention-center-visit-clothes?CMP=share_btn_fb
Considering she had to deal with unhinged psychopaths stating that her son should be thrown in a pen with pedophiles, I don't blame her one bit. It's a direct freak you to those people as she actually tries to do more to rectify the situation then advocate on twitter like the Jessica Valenti's of the world that a woman should be publicly harassed and afraid to show her face.
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2018, 12:14:52 AM
Considering she had to deal with unhinged psychopaths stating that her son should be thrown in a pen with pedophiles, I don't blame her one bit. It's a direct freak you to those people as she actually tries to do more to rectify the situation then advocate on twitter like the Jessica Valenti's of the world that a woman should be publicly harassed and afraid to show her face.
It's quite scary that a man of some presumed intelligence is so partisan as to keep defending these grifters. I'm not sure what you think is in it for you.
Post by: reuben on June 22, 2018, 01:53:35 AM
It's a direct freak you to those people
Donald Trump's popular appeal, in a nutshell.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 22, 2018, 06:08:16 AM
I'm not sure what you think is in it for you.
Donald Trump's popular appeal, in a nutshell.
::Checks any discernible measurement you want to use as to how to judge an economy.::
Oh.
I don't recall being partisan enough to say freak YEW freak YEW freak YEWWWWWWWWWWW ala Chuck Wendig to anyone who supported Barack Obama over that eight year period. Yes I understand the tea party existed and constantly banged the drum of impeachment which I thought was cringy as excrement at best and disgustingly subversive in terms of respecting the results of a freely held election at worst.
Of course, fast forward about six years and in a two month span I saw people go from "It's not rigged Donald, you're losing!" and discussing the importance of respecting the sanctity of results to...knitting vaginas to put on their head and looking for Russian boogeymen at night.
On a somewhat related note, Wendig's inability to allow for any criticism of The Last Jedi without becoming completely unhinged is hilarious.
Post by: Jumbo on June 22, 2018, 07:43:42 AM
It's quite scary that a man of some presumed intelligence is so partisan as to keep defending these grifters. I'm not sure what you think is in it for you.
The Trump admin isn't exactly my favorite thing, but it's also really annoying when people act like every single thing they do is indefensible no matter what.
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2018, 07:52:44 AM
The Trump admin isn't exactly my favorite thing, but it's also really annoying when people act like every single thing they do is indefensible no matter what.
Let me remind you of the screaming apoplexy over Obama wearing a tan suit. I am unsure whether the coat that Trump wore yesterday was a deliberate freak you or just incredibly tone deaf, but literally every single thing that Trump and his gang of grifters have done and said since conning their way into power is more stupid, more unpleasant and more self serving than anyone could sensibly believe possible.
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2018, 09:05:43 AM
It's quite scary that a man of some presumed intelligence is so partisan as to keep defending these grifters. I'm not sure what you think is in it for you.
Seems like there's a natural slide from "principled never-Trump conservative" to "defending Trump to own the libs."
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2018, 09:07:15 AM
The Trump admin isn't exactly my favorite thing, but it's also really annoying when people act like every single thing they do is indefensible no matter what.
Lifting sanctions on NK and suspending military exercises with SK are unequivocally good things (assuming they go through with them).
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2018, 11:41:07 AM
Lifting sanctions on NK and suspending military exercises with SK are unequivocally good things (assuming they go through with them).
They're far from unequivocally good things. They're good things if they form part of a balanced and fully ratified treaty, which is currently not the case.
Post by: Badger on June 22, 2018, 01:23:08 PM
They're far from unequivocally good things. They're good things if they form part of a balanced and fully ratified treaty, which is currently not the case.
I mean I guess we could keep impoverishing the people who live there while occasionally playing with big shiny guns off their shore, that would be fine too.
Post by: Johnny English on June 22, 2018, 01:28:09 PM
I mean I guess we could keep impoverishing the people who live there while occasionally playing with big shiny guns off their shore, that would be fine too.
How does giving KJU what he wants while getting exactly nothing in return help those people? Maybe Apple can go open up a plant there because Foxconn is getting a bit too high profile and it needs a new source of cheap lives to exploit?
If you wanted to run America like a business, you should probably have elected an actual businessman.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2018, 07:11:02 PM
The tolerant left
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2018, 08:40:22 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1010981944056664064
The tolerant left
Isn't that just your beloved freedom of expression in action? Gay people can't always buy cakes. Cabinet members can't always eat in restaurants. You get the country you vote for.
To be honest, it's probably doing them all a favour. I think it's cute that the current WH Press Secretary thinks that she can go out for dinner and be served a dish that isn't at least 30% bodily fluids.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 24, 2018, 10:14:40 PM
Isn't that just your beloved freedom of expression in action? Gay people can't always buy cakes. Cabinet members can't always eat in restaurants. You get the country you vote for.
To be honest, it's probably doing them all a favour. I think it's cute that the current WH Press Secretary thinks that she can go out for dinner and be served a dish that isn't at least 30% bodily fluids.
What pathetically off the mark false equivalence.
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2018, 10:19:19 PM
What pathetically off the mark false equivalence.I'm sorry, you're absolutely right - it clearly is a false equivalence. Being a Cabinet member isn't a protected class.
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2018, 08:31:21 PM
Love how a couple tools not getting their chimichangas is somehow more outrageous than what ICE does on a regular basis.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 25, 2018, 09:11:01 PM
Without needing to get into the technicality of who gets what protections under the law, you have a business owner refusing to serve a gay couple because he thinks his religion says homosexuality is immoral, and on the other hand you have a business owner who refused an individual service because she defends child concentration camps.
Love how a couple tools not getting their chimichangas is somehow more outrageous than what ICE does on a regular basis.
What an insane classification of the detainment centers currently in place to house these kids while their parents asylum claims get processed.
Read some Elie Wiesel, maybe that will crystalize how inappropriate the comparison is.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 26, 2018, 11:06:30 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 26, 2018, 11:25:31 AM
Post by: Coach K on June 26, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1010981944056664064
The tolerant left
American politics in a nutshell, regardless of where you fall on the spectrum
"ONLY MY OUTRAGE IS JUSTIFIED! YOU ARE A NAZI OR COMMIE (depending on your leaning) FOR DISAGREEING!"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 28, 2018, 11:43:34 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 28, 2018, 12:58:42 PM
Lol
Post by: mj2sexay on June 28, 2018, 02:53:03 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/mattiek17/status/1012050245042176000
Lol
HAHAHAHA.
To quote Eric Cartman, “what a fuckin bitch!”
Post by: IATA on June 29, 2018, 10:24:08 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/mattiek17/status/1012050245042176000
Lol
he hid his profile, whatd he say?
Post by: bojanglesman on June 29, 2018, 06:15:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 05, 2018, 03:17:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 05, 2018, 03:33:52 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 05, 2018, 03:35:46 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 05, 2018, 04:04:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 11, 2018, 07:24:08 PM
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2018, 09:25:39 PM
American politics in a nutshell, regardless of where you fall on the spectrum
"ONLY MY OUTRAGE IS JUSTIFIED! YOU ARE A NAZI OR COMMIE (depending on your leaning) FOR DISAGREEING!"
Actually everything she said was fine.
People who carry out, enforce, or even support the separation of families at the border deserve every bit of scorn they receive in public.
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2018, 09:26:21 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 14, 2018, 09:00:29 AM
Actually everything she said was fine.
People who carry out, enforce, or even support the separation of families at the border deserve every bit of scorn they receive in public.
Everything Mad Maxine said is fine? Is that what you just said?
It's like we aren't a year removed from some leftist queynte shooting up a baseball field because he was completely enthralled by highly charged rhetoric.
Post by: Badger on July 14, 2018, 05:19:01 PM
Post by: Badger on July 14, 2018, 05:20:01 PM
Everything Mad Maxine said is fine? Is that what you just said?Yeah. And?
It's like we aren't a year removed from some leftist queynte shooting up a baseball field because he was completely enthralled by highly charged rhetoric.
Post by: IATA on July 15, 2018, 12:43:22 PM
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In an interview with "CBS Evening News" anchor Jeff Glor in Scotland on Saturday, President Trump named the European Union -- comprising some of America's oldest allies -- when asked to identify his "biggest foe globally right now."
"Well, I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now, you wouldn't think of the European Union, but they're a foe. Russia is foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly they are a foe. But that doesn't mean they are bad. It doesn't mean anything. It means that they are competitive," Mr. Trump said at his golf club in Turnberry, Scotland.
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Post by: IATA on July 15, 2018, 12:45:35 PM
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Post by: MBGreen on July 15, 2018, 12:47:10 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 15, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
Trump is nuts and the media's headlines don't match the articles.
Post by: MBGreen on July 15, 2018, 03:03:10 PM
I think he was trying to say that they are competition regarding trade, not a foe in the sense of someone we may go to war with. I don't think he's correct but the headlines made it sound like he was saying that we want to start an actual war with the EU.
Trump is nuts and the media's headlines don't match the articles.
the only foe Trump understands is a bowl of ramen noodles. #pho
Post by: bojanglesman on July 15, 2018, 03:07:50 PM
the only foe Trump understands is a bowl of ramen noodles. #phoHe doesn't understand that unless it has ketchup.
Post by: MBGreen on July 15, 2018, 03:42:24 PM
He doesn't understand than unless it has ketchup.
I would've voted for ketchup instead of Trump or Hillary.
Post by: IATA on July 16, 2018, 12:37:18 PM
the only foe Trump understands is a bowl of ramen noodles. #pho
he 100% dosent know what that is, wouldnt eat it, and would pronounce it "poo"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 16, 2018, 12:57:44 PM
Post by: delavan on July 16, 2018, 02:55:39 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 18, 2018, 12:02:19 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 24, 2018, 01:16:33 PM
Can’t let the Russians win, vote trump
Post by: reuben on July 26, 2018, 10:56:59 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 27, 2018, 12:59:09 PM
You can't just keep winning President Trump!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 29, 2018, 07:16:05 AM
Haha what planet is this guy on
Post by: bojanglesman on July 29, 2018, 08:44:19 AM
Post by: IATA on July 29, 2018, 01:15:17 PM
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Donald J. Trump
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
I would be willing to “shut down” government if the Democrats do not give us the votes for Border Security, which includes the Wall! Must get rid of Lottery, Catch & Release etc. and finally go to system of Immigration based on MERIT! We need great people coming into our Country!
do it. do it do it do it. preferably in like october?
Post by: IATA on July 29, 2018, 01:16:42 PM
America first
@Shawn_625Dotson
2h2 hours ago
🤐
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 05, 2018, 06:56:23 PM
Will Trump step in and save the day? Stay tuned
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 05, 2018, 06:58:41 PM
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@GiannoCaldweld:Since Friday at 5pm 51 people have been shot in Chicago.
Jokes aside, this is sickening and the mainstream media does a pisspoor job reporting on it.
Post by: delavan on August 06, 2018, 09:17:24 AM
Jokes aside, this is sickening and the mainstream media does a pisspoor job reporting on it.look at it glass half-full: MSM doing a great job giving this 'sociopolitical annoyance' 15 seconds of 'concerned' lip service
update: 70 shot, 11 dead
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/weekend-toll-70-shot-11-fatally-in-chicago-gun-violence/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2018, 07:50:16 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 10, 2018, 08:42:24 AM
Then they're going to dig up a time capsule and see all kinds of Kardashian memorabilia and be like "Oh."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2018, 09:16:34 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2018, 09:18:20 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2018, 09:18:57 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 12, 2018, 10:06:23 AM
In Toronto: https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/levy-masked-anti-hate-demonstrators-show-no-love-at-toronto-rally
Sue-Ann Levy is an unhinged far right headcase. She and her buddy Wormtongue have no place calling themselves journalists.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 12, 2018, 11:03:49 AM
If there's supposed to be a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville and only Antifa shows up, does that mean that Antifa are white supremacists??
I typically avoid this thread, but Charlottesville is actually one of the cities that offered me a really good job recently. I'm kind of hesitant about going there with all these neonazi rallies going on there and what not.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 12, 2018, 11:25:49 AM
I typically avoid this thread, but Charlottesville is actually one of the cities that offered me a really good job recently. I'm kind of hesitant about going there with all these neonazi rallies going on there and what not.It's a nice place. Idiots are everywhere.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 14, 2018, 08:01:51 AM
Drag hm sis
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 14, 2018, 01:17:38 PM
That said, as anti-Trump as I am, what Omarosa did by taping conversations in the Situation Room is wrong.
Post by: IATA on August 14, 2018, 01:33:58 PM
he threatened that he "had tapes", so someone just made sure of it. freak that hypocritical noise.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 14, 2018, 01:54:38 PM
Taping what people assume are private conversations in a political atmosphere is pretty dirty, but oh well, maybe don't use derogatory words or have people try to spin what you said.
That said, as anti-Trump as I am, what Omarosa did by taping conversations in the Situation Room is wrong.
Agreed, and that’s what Trump gets for having someone like Omarosa in there
Post by: Johnny English on August 14, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 14, 2018, 02:39:57 PM
They are both excrement--heads. I wish them both nothing but the worst.
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Post by: AlioTheFool on August 14, 2018, 02:50:20 PM
Still, recording anything within the confines of the Situation Room of the White House is a national security risk. I don't care what your reasoning is, you're putting the welfare and safety of every United States citizen at risk, and that's inexcusable.
Post by: Johnny English on August 14, 2018, 02:51:19 PM
Look, none of this should come as a surprise from a group led by someone who was a reality TV show star.
Still, recording anything within the confines of the Situation Room of the White House is a national security risk. I don't care what your reasoning is, you're putting the welfare and safety of every United States citizen at risk, and that's inexcusable.
Right. If the citizens are to know what's going on in there it should come through official channels, like Twitter.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 14, 2018, 03:03:58 PM
Right. If the citizens are to know what's going on in there it should come through official channels, like Twitter.
Haha, of course!
Seriously though, that kind of illustrates the deeper problem. The President tweets out national policy at 2AM. People are making recordings of the most sensitive conversations on the planet. The entire situation is a socio-political nightmare. There are no lines that can't be crossed with this administration, and worse yet, there are a growing number of former members with axes to grind.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2018, 10:22:08 PM
I’m dying at the “lack of greatness” line
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2018, 10:32:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2018, 06:14:46 AM
Post by: Pope on August 22, 2018, 06:37:20 AM
They actually gonna impeach Trump now or nah? Just asking because I’ve been hearing that he’ll be impeached for 2 years nowHe’ll be impeached 7 years and 10 months into his presidency
Post by: bojanglesman on August 22, 2018, 07:38:23 AM
It reminds me of the Jets punt returner situation. I'll be pleased as punch to just get someone who is just a little below average.
Post by: Johnny English on August 22, 2018, 08:47:50 AM
They actually gonna impeach Trump now or nah? Just asking because I’ve been hearing that he’ll be impeached for 2 years now
If I understand the process properly, impeachment proceedings would need to be instigated by the House Judiciary Committee, and the House Judiciary Committee is chaired by a member of the majority party in Congress which is currently the Republicans, and the Republican party are mostly standing behind the grifter-in-chief, so I would say that the only way he gets impeached is either the Democrats take the House in November, or the weight of evidence of his crimes becomes so overwhelming that not even the crooks in charge currently can ignore it.
I would say that both of those outcomes are possible, but far from inevitable or even likely.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2018, 09:12:05 AM
If I understand the process properly, impeachment proceedings would need to be instigated by the House Judiciary Committee, and the House Judiciary Committee is chaired by a member of the majority party in Congress which is currently the Republicans, and the Republican party are mostly standing behind the grifter-in-chief, so I would say that the only way he gets impeached is either the Democrats take the House in November, or the weight of evidence of his crimes becomes so overwhelming that not even the crooks in charge currently can ignore it.
I would say that both of those outcomes are possible, but far from inevitable or even likely.
Thanks for the objective answer. This is pretty much what I thought but didn’t know about the judiciary committee
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 22, 2018, 09:15:11 AM
Lmaooooo
Post by: Johnny English on August 22, 2018, 09:26:28 AM
RealDonaldTrump: If anyone is looking for a good lawyer, I would strongly suggest that you don’t retain the services of Michael Cohen!
Lmaooooo
Given I can't imagine he won't be disbarred after pleading guilty to multiple felonies while acting in his professional capacity, I think it's a somewhat moot point.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 22, 2018, 10:37:55 AM
Donald Trump will not be impeached. Not even if the Democrats take full control of both the House and Senate. Bill Clinton lied under oath on television and impeachment still failed.
What I think everyone should keep an eye on, if the Democrats successfully turn over Congress--a big if--is censure. That would render him largely ineffective the rest of his term and all but ensure he had zero chance of reelection. It would also prevent Pence from assuming the presidency.
Post by: IATA on August 22, 2018, 11:18:34 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 22, 2018, 11:31:23 AM
if the dems take control back and dont impeach him, they're never gonna win an election agian
I disagree. Censure is far more effective here. They'll basically take away his ability to govern without physically removing him from office. He'll be a lame duck President for 2 years. And it doesn't require the proceedings that impeachment does, just a vote.
Again, impeachment is a hard thing to actually push through. Bill Clinton literally perjured himself in front of a camera, and impeachment still failed.
Post by: Johnny English on August 22, 2018, 11:41:29 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 22, 2018, 11:54:09 AM
I thought censure was just a public bollocking on the floor, with no real teeth beyond that?
Huh, you know, it appears you're right.
My understanding of it was that it rendered the President ineffective policy-wise. I remember Rs wanted to use it on Obama at one point. And I know it has been used on Congress members and NY State legislators to render them ineffective in the past.
I didn't bother to Google it before discussing because I was pretty sure I understood it, but no, it's just a "strong public rebuke."
Regardless, anyone hanging onto the dream of impeachment really needs to rein in their emotions. It's doubtful it would be successful, which would hurt the Dems more, and even if it were a success, we'd be left with Pence.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 22, 2018, 06:57:14 PM
Huh, you know, it appears you're right.
My understanding of it was that it rendered the President ineffective policy-wise. I remember Rs wanted to use it on Obama at one point. And I know it has been used on Congress members and NY State legislators to render them ineffective in the past.
I didn't bother to Google it before discussing because I was pretty sure I understood it, but no, it's just a "strong public rebuke."
Regardless, anyone hanging onto the dream of impeachment really needs to rein in their emotions. It's doubtful it would be successful, which would hurt the Dems more, and even if it were a success, we'd be left with Pence.
I try to avoid this thread like the plague, but the one thing about Pence is he pretty much isnt electable. He would effectively have all the negatives of being associated with Trump, but lacks any charm and charisma that would build support and bring in voters. I think the only blocks that would get riled up about Pence are the strongly religious, and thats not carrying an election.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 22, 2018, 07:54:13 PM
I disagree. Censure is far more effective here. They'll basically take away his ability to govern without physically removing him from office. He'll be a lame duck President for 2 years. And it doesn't require the proceedings that impeachment does, just a vote.
Again, impeachment is a hard thing to actually push through. Bill Clinton literally perjured himself in front of a camera, and impeachment still failed.
No it didn't. Clinton was impeached. He wasn't removed. Impeachment and removal are two entirely different processes, impeachment requiring a simple majority in the House and removal requiring a 2/3rd's Senate vote. Trump may very well be impeached after 2018 depending on how the mid-terms go, but he's not getting removed.
It will be especially hilarious if the Dems win the House in the mid-term (which shouldn't even be an if considering the historical precedence of midterm elections), they impeach on whichever pretext they feel like choosing, AND HE STILL WINS RE-ELECTION.
Even the most optimistic of those hoping to ride a blue wave have to concede they aren't winning anywhere near 26 seats in the Senate.
Post by: Johnny English on August 23, 2018, 06:24:18 PM
Also the White House: "Don't you dare pass legislation that might prevent our preferred kind of election fraud!"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-blocks-bill-protect-elections-173459278.html
Cross-party support for this bill is notable. Putin apparently not such a fan.
Post by: Badger on August 26, 2018, 09:32:17 PM
The White House: "Election fraud is rampant, we need to do something about it!"It's only fraud when imaginary brown people do it.
Also the White House: "Don't you dare pass legislation that might prevent our preferred kind of election fraud!"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-blocks-bill-protect-elections-173459278.html
Cross-party support for this bill is notable. Putin apparently not such a fan.
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Post by: IATA on August 28, 2018, 11:16:55 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/trump-news-google-search-results-twitter-rigged-us-president-a8510736.html
“Google search results for ‘Trump News’ shows only the viewing/reporting of Fake New Media,” he wrote on Twitter. ”In other words, they have it RIGGED, for me & others, so that almost all stories & news is BAD. Fake CNN is prominent. Republican/Conservative & Fair Media is shut out. Illegal?”
“96 per cent of results on ‘Trump News’ are from National Left-Wing Media, very dangerous,” he continued. “Google & others are suppressing voices of Conservatives and hiding information and news that is good. They are controlling what we can & cannot see. This is a very serious situation – will be addressed!”
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2018, 11:49:34 AM
The same media that's not done eulogizing a war criminal, soooo left-wing.
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 28, 2018, 02:17:10 PM
"National Left-Wing Media"
The same media that's not done eulogizing a war criminal, soooo left-wing.
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Doesn’t like Trump > war criminal
Post by: Badger on August 30, 2018, 02:27:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 02, 2018, 07:14:01 PM
I get the whole idea of differing political principles, but your President literally doesn't understand how society or government works.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 03, 2018, 11:11:16 AM
Post by: reuben on September 03, 2018, 11:52:50 AM
Post by: IATA on September 03, 2018, 12:03:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 03, 2018, 02:05:44 PM
schlonged is a often used word in politics?
No. And if it was he wouldn't know, given he's never bothered to involve himself in that world in any way, shape or form.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 03, 2018, 03:55:14 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 03, 2018, 04:00:27 PM
The visual of Hillary with Obamas schlong is kind of sickening.
Pretty sure that Obama could pretty much take his pick of hot 30something liberal chicks if he wanted, he has no need of chucking it up HRC.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 03, 2018, 04:29:22 PM
Pretty sure that Obama could pretty much take his pick of hot 30something liberal chicks if he wanted, he has no need of chucking it up HRC.
The same could be said of Bill Clinton
Post by: Johnny English on September 03, 2018, 05:38:10 PM
The same could be said of Bill Clinton
He's living proof of it.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 03, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
He's living proof of it.
100%
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2018, 10:11:37 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180905/a45e9b73fac6219345cf4fe7a6941bab.jpg)
Post by: IATA on September 05, 2018, 06:45:22 AM
The same could be said of Bill Clinton
he probly coined the term "schlonged"
Post by: IATA on September 05, 2018, 06:47:27 AM
Post by: reuben on September 05, 2018, 06:54:38 PM
freak this entire administration, and freak the Grand Ol' hoo-ha who wrote this Op-Ed. Invoke the 25th. Otherwise you're part of the problem.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 05, 2018, 07:02:58 PM
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2018, 07:20:13 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html)https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1037450113004785666?s=19
freak this entire administration, and freak the Grand Ol' hoo-ha who wrote this Op-Ed. Invoke the 25th. Otherwise you're part of the problem.
Post by: reuben on September 05, 2018, 08:25:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1037450113004785666?s=19
Exactly.
Treasonous? No big deal. RINO? Sic Semper Tyrannis.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 05, 2018, 10:10:09 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 05, 2018, 10:18:09 PM
Edit: I know I’m hitting on relatively minor things when looking at how big of a disaster Trump is, but that’s kind of my point. Very basic things made him a non-starter for me, way before you even get into his politics.
Post by: reuben on September 05, 2018, 10:33:29 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 06, 2018, 01:08:17 PM
What shocks me is the brazen admission of treason though. In no uncertain terms, I hate Donald Trump and am disgusted that he's currently the President of the United States. But he is the President of the United States. I don't even disagree with some of the results they're pursuing (such as stopping his tariff crusade) but there is a process for doing that, and it's not doing things like tearing up or stealing documents from his desk.
Post by: Johnny English on September 06, 2018, 02:29:41 PM
I feel like the op-ed was due in large part to that book that came out the other day detailing how Trump is viewed by his entire staff. He quickly moved to discredit the book, but this article pushes back and lends more credibility to the book's story.
What shocks me is the brazen admission of treason though. In no uncertain terms, I hate Donald Trump and am disgusted that he's currently the President of the United States. But he is the President of the United States. I don't even disagree with some of the results they're pursuing (such as stopping his tariff crusade) but there is a process for doing that, and it's not doing things like tearing up or stealing documents from his desk.
I hate everything about that article, most of all the fact that it was the Times who ran it. Some of the excrement in there is mindblowingly dumb:
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This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state.
You've just admitted to deliberately working against a sitting President while purporting to work in his inner sanctum, and to doing so in concert with others. You are the literal definition of the deep state.
Post by: IATA on September 08, 2018, 09:30:11 AM
my favorite theory is that it was hope hicks, and she felt comfortable to write it now that shes out, but her "colleagues" are still in.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 08, 2018, 10:43:03 AM
Given the New York Times demonstrated penchant for over-inflating the value of their anonymous sources, for all we know that excrement could've been written by a White House intern.
The article literally says, "well yeah the economy is prosperous and we're safe, BUT..." LOL. What do you mean but? Those two issues are largely what people vote on before immigration also became such a hot button topic.
Massive fail. The New York Times of 2018 is like the New York Yankees of 1991. Identifiable due to history, but actually a complete pile of excrement.
Post by: Badger on September 12, 2018, 06:32:07 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on September 12, 2018, 11:55:24 AM
https://twitter.com/BenIsYourHero/status/1039659370018160650?s=19
Low energy parody, Garrison would do a much better job on Trump's facial features and would never give him such dainty fingers.
See look at this one. LOOK AT THOSE VERY BIG HANDS.
https://twitter.com/carrieksada/status/1039616935783104514
Post by: Badger on September 18, 2018, 01:05:58 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 18, 2018, 01:12:32 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 18, 2018, 02:33:34 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 26, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 26, 2018, 07:19:14 PM
Mr. Kurd
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2018, 12:20:45 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 01, 2018, 12:53:54 PM
Ok trump is on fire today
Post by: Pope on October 01, 2018, 04:56:11 PM
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2018, 06:43:18 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2018, 07:57:29 PM
Imagine still thinking this guy earned his riches. Just imagine being that freaking dumb.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
Hey hey hey, stop being so harsh on him. He's very sensitive today. After all, it's a very scary time to be a young man in America (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/trump-scary-time-for-young-men-metoo/index.html), where you can be accused of all sorts of things you haven't done. As one of those poor victimised white men, I'm on my third made up sexual assault accusation this week. Let's just take a moment to think about how hard we all have it, shall we?
Post by: mj2sexay on October 02, 2018, 08:46:22 PM
Hey hey hey, stop being so harsh on him. He's very sensitive today. After all, it's a very scary time to be a young man in America (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/02/politics/trump-scary-time-for-young-men-metoo/index.html), where you can be accused of all sorts of things you haven't done. As one of those poor victimised white men, I'm on my third made up sexual assault accusation this week. Let's just take a moment to think about how hard we all have it, shall we?
This farce currently surrounding a supreme court nomination is a pathetic indictment on how low the left is willing to go.
Anyway, I'll say this, it's done the amazing thing of getting never-Trump conservatives on board and getting virulent pro-Trump pedes in the corner of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2018, 08:56:46 PM
This farce currently surrounding a supreme court nomination is a pathetic indictment on how low the left is willing to go.It's times like this I'm reminded it's a good thing Tommy is banned because imagine reading this post, except 50% shittier.
Anyway, I'll say this, it's done the amazing thing of getting never-Trump conservatives on board and getting virulent pro-Trump pedes in the corner of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2018, 09:49:26 PM
It's times like this I'm reminded it's a good thing Tommy is banned because imagine reading this post, except 50% shittier.
He's kind of right though, this nomination is a complete farce. Just not for the reasons he thinks.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 02, 2018, 10:50:12 PM
He's kind of right though, this nomination is a complete farce. Just not for the reasons he thinks.
Oh rly!
Post by: Jumbo on October 03, 2018, 05:08:08 AM
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2018, 02:14:25 PM
Kavanaugh is very clearly either a serial rapist or a choir boy who's never done anything wrongThey could just dip into the bottomless well of ghouls with the same qualifications and garbage politics and nominate one of them instead, but nah.
Post by: Pope on October 03, 2018, 09:47:57 PM
I lose respect for anyone who falls for any of this crap and it’s the reason that Trump will win again in 2020. It’s become a cry-baby, hyper politically-correct landscape.. echo chamber for sore losers clamoring for an impeachment that will never happen. Gone are the days of rationality and compromise. It’s resorted to excrement slinging from both sides.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 03, 2018, 11:57:35 PM
They could just dip into the bottomless well of ghouls with the same qualifications and garbage politics and nominate one of them instead, but nah.
And make it clear that they'll fold upon uncorroborated allegations at first sight?
Nah, no thanks.
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2018, 05:19:32 AM
It’s pretty obvious this is another example of Democrats being sore losers and manufacturing nonsense to try and block the Supreme Court seat.
Yeah, just like they did with Gorsuch. Remember all those fake rape allegations against him?
waitasekent
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2018, 05:21:46 AM
And make it clear that they'll fold upon uncorroborated allegations at first sight?You're right, they are determined to force Kavanaugh through. They're gonna hold the Dems down and insert him into the SC no matter how much they struggle or say no.
Nah, no thanks.
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2018, 05:27:13 AM
I lose respect for anyone who falls for any of this crap and it’s the reason that Trump will win again in 2020. It’s become a cry-baby, hyper politically-correct landscape.. echo chamber for sore losers clamoring for an impeachment that will never happen. Gone are the days of rationality and compromise. It’s resorted to excrement slinging from both sides.
"I'm not a Republican, I just parrot their talking points verbatim."
If Trump wins again it'll be because they've run another Clintonite against him. Not some stupid bullshit about PC culture. You might as well say Trump will win because of the War on Christmas.
Post by: Pope on October 04, 2018, 09:19:58 AM
"I'm not a Republican, I just parrot their talking points verbatim."
If Trump wins again it'll be because they've run another Clintonite against him. Not some stupid bullshit about PC culture. You might as well say Trump will win because of the War on Christmas.
Yeah.. a Republican that voted Obama x2, Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, and Phil Murphy. Call me anti-Hillary or whatever but just because I’m critical of the Democratic Party doesn’t make me some Republican shill or god forbid some Russian bot as people like to claim these days
Post by: Pope on October 04, 2018, 09:22:08 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on October 04, 2018, 10:18:34 AM
They're gonna hold the Dems down and insert him into the SC no matter how much they struggle or say no.
Like some clown said, "elections have consequences."
I was pretty pissed, but I don't recall comparing the way Democrats passed the ACA (utilizing their majority) to RAPE.
Post by: Jumbo on October 04, 2018, 11:45:16 AM
Yeah, just like they did with Gorsuch. Remember all those fake rape allegations against him?
waitasekent
There was also no reason to believe that anything would happen if they got rid of Gorsuch besides someone else being nominated and confirmed way before there was a chance to control the Senate
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 04, 2018, 12:19:28 PM
I still don't understand why the Republicans don't nominate someone without this significant baggage, but Kavanaugh appears like a partisan shill, so I guess that's what they want. They could nominate someone without multiple accusations of rape. Dems didn't stop Gorsuch, as much as they would have wanted to.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 04, 2018, 10:43:50 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 05, 2018, 06:03:06 AM
wE dEmAnD aN InVeStIgATiOn!!1!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 05, 2018, 08:16:00 AM
Lol
Post by: mj2sexay on October 05, 2018, 10:26:00 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/lakauffman/status/1048180988361302017
Lol
Lol, freak these cunts.
Post by: Pope on October 05, 2018, 11:04:33 AM
Post by: insanity on October 05, 2018, 11:45:04 AM
No one wants to tell him hahahahha
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2018, 11:02:24 PM
Yeah.. a Republican that voted Obama x2, Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein, and Phil Murphy. Call me anti-Hillary or whatever but just because I’m critical of the Democratic Party doesn’t make me some Republican shill or god forbid some Russian bot as people like to claim these daysYour criticisms are bad and you should feel bad.
The party leadership is complete excrement. They're spineless hacks who seem afraid to actually change anything. This is a real problem. Not "pc culture."
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Post by: Pope on October 05, 2018, 11:06:34 PM
Post by: reuben on October 06, 2018, 01:29:49 PM
Normal, non-rotting brain in action(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181006/304194aadceb946149439caa84ede95e.jpg)
If anyone knows where I can get paid for faux righteous indignation, please point me in the right direction.
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2018, 09:30:42 PM
EditCuck
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2018, 10:23:37 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181007/12c15f84db2d15bf0f172cc25f147574.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2018, 06:15:45 PM
“In the eighth inning of what may be a do or die game with the tension of a Game Seven, Nenderthal Fenway Park "fans" chanting "Yankees (---) are eerily like those who chant "lock her up" at a pol rally designed to demean female assault victims' trauma.”
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2018, 06:20:58 PM
Peter Gammons:All Red Sox fans probably are rapists though
“In the eighth inning of what may be a do or die game with the tension of a Game Seven, Nenderthal Fenway Park "fans" chanting "Yankees (---) are eerily like those who chant "lock her up" at a pol rally designed to demean female assault victims' trauma.”
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2018, 07:33:25 PM
All Red Sox fans probably are rapists though
No lies detected
Post by: delavan on October 08, 2018, 05:40:05 PM
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2018, 07:15:58 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/09/19/a-las-vegas-professor-shot-himself-on-his-campus-to-protest-trump-police-say/?utm_term=.0c722a9cccafBold strategy. Not sure why more suicidal people with strong political convictions don't just become huge baseball fans.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 08, 2018, 07:16:21 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/09/19/a-las-vegas-professor-shot-himself-on-his-campus-to-protest-trump-police-say/?utm_term=.0c722a9cccaf
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 16, 2018, 12:24:10 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 16, 2018, 12:26:25 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on October 16, 2018, 01:04:19 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e8352d43464d45ad0c1da104f2b5812c/tenor.gif?itemid=4920713)
Horseface and her third rate lawyer. HAHAHAHAHA.
The best part about this is the people who donated to Stormy's gofundme so she could afford her legal bills are now essentially cutting a check to one President Donald J. Trump. the 45th President of these United States.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 25, 2018, 08:19:15 PM
Lmaoooooooooooooo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 25, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
This dude is gonna be in jail before Trump is bahahah
Post by: mj2sexay on October 26, 2018, 07:51:35 AM
https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1055534786914193415
Lmaoooooooooooooo
Saul Goodman, meet Talcum X!
Post by: insanity on October 26, 2018, 11:41:21 AM
https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1055534786914193415
Lmaoooooooooooooo
I can't believe he's complaining about that quote. Pick your battles man
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 26, 2018, 12:02:14 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2018, 11:26:11 AM
Post by: IATA on October 29, 2018, 12:30:36 PM
Post by: Badger on October 30, 2018, 07:53:17 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-eyeing-executive-order-to-end-citizenship-for-children-of-noncitizens-born-on-us-soil/2018/10/30/66892050-dc29-11e8-b3f0-62607289efee_story.html?utm_term=.ed6968642616&tid=sm_fb
Post by: Johnny English on October 30, 2018, 09:19:39 AM
Muh constitution
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-eyeing-executive-order-to-end-citizenship-for-children-of-noncitizens-born-on-us-soil/2018/10/30/66892050-dc29-11e8-b3f0-62607289efee_story.html?utm_term=.ed6968642616&tid=sm_fb
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“We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years with all of those benefits,”
Well, yeah. It would be weird if someone became a citizen of the US by virtue of being born in a different country. If he means that the US is the only country to bestow citizenship upon a child born in the country to non-citizen parents, that's bullshit. Any child born in Canada is automatically given Canadian citizenship unless both parents are foreign nationals and one or both parents is there in the employ of a foreign government (so for example, if you're working at the US Embassy in Ottawa when your child is born and you're both US citizens, your child will not qualify for Canadian citizenship). In fact, a long list of countries operate under the principle of jus soli; he only has to look at Wikipedia to learn which ones.
Your President is a very stupid man.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 30, 2018, 01:21:56 PM
Post by: insanity on October 30, 2018, 10:27:43 PM
My President is Jamal Adams
I think we should just close the thread here
Post by: IATA on October 31, 2018, 12:25:57 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 04, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1059186684108124160
Post by: Johnny English on November 05, 2018, 10:01:15 AM
Quote
Some nations that grow soybeans, like Canada, are shipping their own beans to China at high prices and then buying American beans at lower prices to meet domestic demand.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/business/soybeans-farmers-trade-war.html
Also, thank you all as American taxpayers for allowing Trump to use your money to pay subsidies to the American farmers in order to prop up his reputation, thus allowing the tariffs to continue and Canada to continue benefiting on your dime.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 05, 2018, 10:13:30 AM
Thank you Donald Trump for helping to make Canada great again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/business/soybeans-farmers-trade-war.html
Also, thank you all as American taxpayers for allowing Trump to use your money to pay subsidies to the American farmers in order to prop up his reputation, thus allowing the tariffs to continue and Canada to continue benefiting on your dime.
Canada over here flexin their bean economy
Post by: insanity on November 05, 2018, 10:59:51 AM
Canada over here flexin their bean economy
Flicking their beans all the way to china
Post by: Pope on November 05, 2018, 02:28:34 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 07, 2018, 02:18:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 07, 2018, 02:33:34 PM
Trump requested, and Sessions submitted his resignation. Mueller firing coming in 3...2...
Firing Mueller seems like a big step at this stage - seems more likely the new AG will fire Rosenstein, put a friendly in his role and then dismantle the investigation from the inside.
There's talk of Mueller having dead man's switches in the form of information shared with various friendly state AGs that in the event of him being shut down will allow a bunch of state level prosecutions against the assorted actors, but I don't know how much of that is real and how much is internet wishing.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 07, 2018, 02:55:48 PM
Firing Mueller seems like a big step at this stage - seems more likely the new AG will fire Rosenstein, put a friendly in his role and then dismantle the investigation from the inside.
There's talk of Mueller having dead man's switches in the form of information shared with various friendly state AGs that in the event of him being shut down will allow a bunch of state level prosecutions against the assorted actors, but I don't know how much of that is real and how much is internet wishing.
Quote from: @Cecchini_DC
NEW: Per @PeteWilliamsNBC -- Rod Rosenstein will cease oversight of Mueller investigation. Acting AG expected to step in -- but can only fire Special Counsel "for cause"
Post by: Johnny English on November 08, 2018, 11:05:30 AM
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/matt-whitaker-donald-trump-fox-news-attorney-general_us_5be3b528e4b0dbe871a69269
Post by: Johnny English on November 11, 2018, 04:46:36 PM
........as long as it isn't raining.
Post by: Badger on November 16, 2018, 02:50:16 PM
Fox News reporting that Whittaker may have been illegally appointed.That would be really interesting if any of the rules mattered at all.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/matt-whitaker-donald-trump-fox-news-attorney-general_us_5be3b528e4b0dbe871a69269
Post by: Johnny English on December 14, 2018, 12:24:12 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2018, 12:51:28 PM
Chris Christie interviewing for the WH Chief Of Staff role. Yes, that Chris Christie.
I can't imagine why anyone would take that role. "Yes, I'd like to be undermined and abused on a daily basis, thanks for the offer!"
Post by: Gorilla on December 14, 2018, 12:53:28 PM
The dementia-riddled, thin-skinned oaf is going to end up hiring his son-in-law or Alex Jones or a cartoon dog or some other middle finger to the country.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 14, 2018, 01:01:55 PM
New York Times reporting that Christie has taken himself out of consideration for the job.
The dementia-riddled, thin-skinned oaf is going to end up hiring his son-in-law or Alex Jones or a cartoon dog or some other middle finger to the country.
I think the safe bet may be not having one at all.
Post by: Jumbo on December 14, 2018, 01:23:55 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 14, 2018, 01:30:29 PM
https://twitter.com/JoseCanseco/status/1073028329970720768
That is amazing. Canseco and Trump are a match made in heaven.
Post by: Pope on December 14, 2018, 01:49:33 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 26, 2018, 08:05:50 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 01, 2019, 02:05:03 PM
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BREAKING: US stocks suffer worst year since 2008 financial crisis; S&P 500 sees 6.2 percent annual drop, Dow falls 5.6 percent.
yall can unban Tommy now
Post by: Pope on January 01, 2019, 02:41:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 22, 2019, 01:18:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/L9kLDQz.jpg)
Post by: Badger on January 25, 2019, 09:15:08 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 25, 2019, 09:56:25 PM
Shut down the government for a month and gained nothing.
The nice thing about the internet is we can come back to this comment in three weeks.
Post by: Badger on January 25, 2019, 09:59:05 PM
The nice thing about the internet is we can come back to this comment in three weeks.When the new Mexico-funded wall is completed? Hell yeah
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 26, 2019, 09:34:17 PM
When the new Mexico-funded wall is completed? Hell yeah
The wall will pay for itself with all of the libs being owned. That leads to more jobs and more stocks in the market
Post by: MBGreen on March 08, 2019, 07:52:28 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2019, 06:07:53 PM
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WASHINGTON (AP) — AP Source: Special counsel Robert Mueller is not recommending any further indictments in the Russia probe.
Clearly this investigation was hacked by the Russians
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2019, 07:23:52 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2019, 10:15:52 PM
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NEW: Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has proposed cutting $51 million from Autism programs and completely eliminating funding for Special Olympics educational programs.
This is super fucked up
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2019, 10:26:48 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 27, 2019, 01:01:00 PM
This is super fucked up
I honestly think DeVos was the absolute worst thing to come out of the Trump administration--and that includes Trump himself. I've felt like that since the day she took office, and I don't see any way that's going to change going forward.
Post by: Gorilla on March 27, 2019, 03:23:27 PM
This is superfucked upnot surprising
Post by: Jumbo on March 27, 2019, 03:37:45 PM
This is super fucked up
If it makes you feel better, most autism programs are abuse factories that don't actually do excrement
Post by: Jumbo on March 27, 2019, 03:40:09 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 27, 2019, 04:09:07 PM
Also, I got my taxes done today. Trump and the GOP can DIAF for giving tax gifts to the rich.
Post by: Jumbo on March 27, 2019, 04:20:41 PM
One of my son's girlfriend's brother attends a special education public school because he has autism. It's a pretty fantastic school. But hey, whatevs.
That's great for him (especially if he's on the severe end) but the most harmful effects are usually long-term effects of current practices on autistic children, specifically ABA. I work with affected kids every day. It's horrifying, and no one knows about it or talks about it.
Depends on what those cuts are for of course, and I don't know too much about what goes on for the higher functioning end of the spectrum.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 27, 2019, 04:22:12 PM
If it makes you feel better, most autism programs are abuse factories that don't actually do excrement
No that doesn’t make me feel any better. From your description these programs need more funding/attention, not less.
Post by: Jumbo on March 27, 2019, 04:27:56 PM
No that doesn’t make me feel any better. From your description these programs need more funding/attention, not less.
More money won't fix the fundamental problems in a large amount of money going to administrators who don't accomplish anything and the predominant teaching method(s) being both ineffective and sometimes abusive.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 27, 2019, 05:42:16 PM
Also, I got my taxes done today. Trump and the GOP can DIAF for giving tax gifts to the rich.
You mean 80% of Americans?
If you're pissed about your inability to write off your property tax, take it up with your state politicians.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 28, 2019, 12:06:49 PM
That's great for him (especially if he's on the severe end) but the most harmful effects are usually long-term effects of current practices on autistic children, specifically ABA. I work with affected kids every day. It's horrifying, and no one knows about it or talks about it.
Depends on what those cuts are for of course, and I don't know too much about what goes on for the higher functioning end of the spectrum.
Is there abuse? Probably. There's abuse everywhere.
Fortunately, the program the kid is in, and the school itself, is really good. My brother worked in special education for a few years also, and he had horror stories, but he put a lot of blame on families not being involved enough, rather than the programs themselves.
As SFD said, these programs need more funding, not less. DeVos is determined to take the entire public education system private, which is an abominable thought to me.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 28, 2019, 12:22:06 PM
You mean 80% of Americans?
If you're pissed about your inability to write off your property tax, take it up with your state politicians.
How do you watch CBS Jets games when your TV doesn't get anything but FOX networks?
Property taxes? I live in a shitty apartment in Queens, but thanks for playing.
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The average tax refund filed through mid-February was down 17 percent, or more than $500, from the equivalent period last year, according to I.R.S. data.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 28, 2019, 09:11:56 PM
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President Trump said Thursday that he's overruled his administration officials who sought to zero out funding for the Special Olympics in their budget proposal.
"The Special Olympics will be funded. I just told my people, 'I want to fund the special Olympics,' " Trump told reporters as he departed the White House for a campaign rally in Michigan.
"I heard about it this morning," he added. "I have overridden my people. We're funding the Special Olympics."
Trump added that he's been to the sporting event personally, calling it "incredible."
My President
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 29, 2019, 09:17:09 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 29, 2019, 12:58:31 PM
How do you watch CBS Jets games when your TV doesn't get anything but FOX networks?
Property taxes? I live in a shitty apartment in Queens, but thanks for playing.
Hahahahahahaha. Funny line, but I can only imagine how your head would explode if we lived in the alternative universe where the mainstream media was largely right.
As far as the tax refund statistic, you do realize when you get taxed a lesser amount during the year you're due for less of a refund, correct?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 11, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
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Trump in 2016: “WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks”
Trump in 2019: “I know nothing about WikiLeaks. It’s not really my thing”
There’s Always A Tweet
Post by: Johnny English on April 17, 2019, 07:16:25 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/12/trump-un-committee-1272422
Time to grow the freak up.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 18, 2019, 12:31:17 PM
Post by: reuben on April 18, 2019, 01:54:52 PM
No collusion. No obstruction.
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“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of Justice we would so state.”
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"The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."
No competent obstruction, to be sure.
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"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked."
So innocent. He's got the best innocent, everybody says.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 18, 2019, 02:50:53 PM
No competent obstruction, to be sure.
So innocent. He's got the best innocent, everybody says.
It's just so absurd they would even say that. Imagine a prosecutor in any routine criminal proceeding saying, "Your Honor, if we had CONFIDENCE of the defendants innocence, we would say so!"
That's not their job and the presumption that one must prove innocence is completely backwards.
As far as that quote from Trump, why isn't that a wholly reasonable response to the Mueller appointment?
To recap:
Trump just publicly fired his protege and already had begun to (correctly) claim that he was spied on during the campaign. Why would he not react in the negative to a career G-man and close confidant of Comey being placed at the helm of the investigation? He already had begun to excrement on the intelligence community.
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2019, 06:56:29 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 08, 2019, 11:46:06 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 08, 2019, 01:20:58 PM
Weird how we always hear that people who have nothing to hide shouldn't be afraid of police or the government
Whoever said this is a freaking idiot.
Anyway, on the topic of the New York Times article, we all do realize he literally wrote a book on this entire time period and how he was able to come back?
Post by: delavan on May 09, 2019, 10:08:50 AM
Whoever said this is a freaking idiot.On the topic of the NYT, the Times bought the Boston Globe in '93 for 1.1 billion and lost 1.03 billion when they unloaded it to Red Sox owner John Henry for chump change (70m), losing 93.64% of its value. Pot or kettle, pick your dartboard . : )
Anyway, on the topic of the New York Times article, we all do realize he literally wrote a book on this entire time period and how he was able to come back?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 09, 2019, 10:13:17 AM
Whoever said this is a freaking idiot.
Anyway, on the topic of the New York Times article, we all do realize he literally wrote a book on this entire time period and how he was able to come back?
https://mobile.twitter.com/kusinews/status/1126280976428961792
Top notch investigative reporting by the failing NY times
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2019, 06:51:24 PM
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-voter-immigration-family-separation-georgia-20190519-htmlstory.html
Post by: reuben on June 13, 2019, 03:49:26 PM
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2019, 03:58:45 PM
Sarah Huckabee Sanders is out. If she dyes her hair and drops 30 pounds I'm sure there's at lifetime position for her at Fox.Alternatively if she says something mildly critical of him an Ivy will offer her a fellowship.
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 14, 2019, 11:40:47 AM
I wonder how much of it was her seeing Trump say he'd take intelligence on a rival from a foreign power and not report to the FBI and she finally said "Dude, I can't possibly spin this one!"
On a different note, everyone deserves to have someone look at them the same way Mike Pompeo stares at war with Iran.
Post by: insanity on July 09, 2019, 10:20:24 PM
The guy is a grown insecure pre-pubescent teenager who needs to pronounce his successes, relationships, etc. to feel good about himself, and in the process, always ends up incriminating himself. It's absolutely amazing.
In 2002, Mr Trump told New York magazine of Mr Epstein:
“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it - Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
Post by: mj2sexay on July 10, 2019, 08:26:17 PM
I love Trump.
The guy is a grown insecure pre-pubescent teenager who needs to pronounce his successes, relationships, etc. to feel good about himself, and in the process, always ends up incriminating himself. It's absolutely amazing.
In 2002, Mr Trump told New York magazine of Mr Epstein:
“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it - Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
K, interesting you declined to post this part of the article. I don't want to dignify the shitrag that is VOX, but I guess I'll lower myself just this once.
In 2009, Brad Edwards, an attorney who has represented various Epstein victims, had Trump served with a subpoena for testimony in a case against Epstein.
But Edwards is not alleging any wrongdoing from Trump; rather, the opposite. He said in a recent interview that he had served subpoenas on many connected people in 2009, and that Trump was “the only person who picked up the phone and said, ‘Let’s just talk. I’ll give you as much time as you want.’”
Edwards added that Trump “was very helpful, in the information that he gave,” calling it “good information that checked out and that helped us.” And, he said, Trump “gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever.”
Edwards added that Trump “was very helpful, in the information that he gave,” calling it “good information that checked out and that helped us.” And, he said, Trump “gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever.”
Post by: insanity on July 10, 2019, 10:47:59 PM
K, interesting you declined to post this part of the article. I don't want to dignify the shitrag that is VOX, but I guess I'll lower myself just this once.
In 2009, Brad Edwards, an attorney who has represented various Epstein victims, had Trump served with a subpoena for testimony in a case against Epstein.
But Edwards is not alleging any wrongdoing from Trump; rather, the opposite. He said in a recent interview that he had served subpoenas on many connected people in 2009, and that Trump was “the only person who picked up the phone and said, ‘Let’s just talk. I’ll give you as much time as you want.’”
Edwards added that Trump “was very helpful, in the information that he gave,” calling it “good information that checked out and that helped us.” And, he said, Trump “gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever.”
Edwards added that Trump “was very helpful, in the information that he gave,” calling it “good information that checked out and that helped us.” And, he said, Trump “gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever.”
What is your point?
Post by: mj2sexay on July 10, 2019, 11:35:15 PM
What is your point?
You posted that bullshit in a pathetic attempt to somehow draw culpability onto Trump for the actions of Epstein, despite evidence refuting that very fact some two freaking paragraphs later in the same article.
And that's todays example of TDS.
Post by: insanity on July 11, 2019, 06:38:38 AM
You posted that bullshit in a pathetic attempt to somehow draw culpability onto Trump for the actions of Epstein, despite evidence refuting that very fact some two freaking paragraphs later in the same article.No, I posted that bullshit in a pathetic attempt to show that Trump consistently gets caught in his own lies and consistently incriminates himself.
And that's todays example of TDS.
1. Trump recently said he doesnt know who Epstein is.
2. Trump has also been accused of being involved with minors and here is an example of him saying he's friends with a guy who is guilty of soliciting a minor for prostitution, and even mentions that he knows he's involved with "young" women.
Additionally just because Trump worked well with a prosecutor doesn't make him innocent. They are not mutually exclusive. And just because he's innocent doesn't make it okay for our sitting president to have had involvement with a sex trafficking pedophile. Especially when he knows (he said it verbally to media) he has this involvement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 01, 2019, 10:28:15 PM
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Trump promised to cure AIDS and childhood cancer at his rally tonight: "We will be ending the AIDS epidemic shortly in America and curing childhood cancer very shortly."Big if true
Post by: Badger on August 03, 2019, 08:20:25 PM
Big if true*All AIDS patients will die in freak electrical accidents in Pence's basement and all child cancer patients will die in hospital shootings
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 16, 2019, 07:54:55 AM
Post by: IATA on September 16, 2019, 02:10:24 PM
plz let vaping be his downfall
Post by: dcm1602 on September 16, 2019, 03:23:09 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 26, 2019, 11:36:52 AM
LOL nah, nothing matters.
Post by: Badger on September 26, 2019, 08:23:34 PM
So is this what they're going to finally nail Trump for?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190927/8ddfa01619df614a1bd4da52a3df513b.jpg)
LOL nah, nothing matters.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 27, 2019, 08:40:40 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 02, 2019, 05:21:35 PM
Post by: Badger on October 02, 2019, 10:41:40 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 03, 2019, 07:32:32 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1179502966606352386?s=21(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF89Iy5XYAEOEAV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Trump definitely never made it as a wise man.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2019, 02:01:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF89Iy5XYAEOEAV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Trump definitely never made it as a wise man.
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1179797309506359302?s=21
Post by: Johnny English on October 05, 2019, 06:17:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2019, 12:21:53 PM
"in my great and unmatched wisdom"
"MY GREAT AND UNMATCHED WISDOM"
"GREAT AND UNMATCHED WISDOM"
Post by: dcm1602 on October 07, 2019, 12:36:08 PM
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2019, 03:52:44 PM
https://twitter.com/brandonhaasdc/status/1181242444584804353?s=09
Post by: reuben on October 07, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TV1FBJS.png)
"in my great and unmatched wisdom"
"MY GREAT AND UNMATCHED WISDOM"
"GREAT AND UNMATCHED WISDOM"
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I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)
Sweet Mercy, this is the stupidest Bond movie ever.
Post by: reuben on October 07, 2019, 03:54:51 PM
https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1181238101068390402?s=09
https://twitter.com/brandonhaasdc/status/1181242444584804353?s=09
Nice
Post by: IATA on October 09, 2019, 06:45:31 AM
How freaking stupid is this guy?
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2019, 07:07:27 AM
This idiot is back on twitter saying Hillary Clinton should run again so he can yell about emails again.It's hard to think of a worse scenario than Clinton actually running again. Biden getting the nom might be equally bad.
How freaking stupid is this guy?
Post by: bojanglesman on October 09, 2019, 07:22:34 AM
Post by: IATA on October 09, 2019, 08:01:28 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 16, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
Post by: IATA on October 16, 2019, 04:24:27 PM
And there's people acting like this is a great letter
Omg lol
Post by: Pope on October 16, 2019, 07:32:56 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 16, 2019, 07:35:20 PM
Jesus freaking christ lmaoIt's like a bad comedy parodying the US government. Except it's real.
And there's people acting like this is a great letter
Omg lol
Post by: mj2sexay on October 16, 2019, 08:11:41 PM
Post by: IATA on October 16, 2019, 11:50:25 PM
Post by: Badger on October 17, 2019, 07:07:59 AM
Post by: IATA on October 17, 2019, 08:05:13 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2019, 10:12:03 AM
That letter makes him sound freaking retarded
It’s actually very shrewd negotiating. Now that guy will look like a complete dick if he bombs anyone. Syria saved
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 30, 2019, 09:07:25 AM
Happy Halloween
Post by: Badger on October 30, 2019, 05:35:01 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 13, 2019, 07:04:25 AM
Wow I didn’t realize this many people liked trump
Post by: Johnny English on November 14, 2019, 08:31:26 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/trump-asks-supreme-court-to-shield-his-tax-returns-from-prosecutors-setting-up-historic-separation-of-power-showdown/2019/11/14/d7b176a0-04dd-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2019, 04:44:09 PM
Post by: IATA on November 20, 2019, 08:50:22 PM
Post by: Badger on November 21, 2019, 05:35:26 AM
Post by: reuben on November 21, 2019, 05:05:30 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 21, 2019, 07:29:12 PM
https://twitter.com/kimlockhartga/status/1197214014213935104?s=19Down to freak, ladies........
Post by: Johnny English on November 27, 2019, 08:46:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CF24Yew.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 16, 2019, 01:34:18 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2019, 01:48:22 PM
Crazy that Trump is really gonna get impeached smh
I look forward to Trump being the first sitting President to win re-election despite their impeachment.
Post by: MBGreen on December 16, 2019, 02:28:51 PM
I look forward to Trump being the first sitting President to win re-election despite their impeachment.
why? the guy is a mongoloid.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2019, 03:02:59 PM
why? the guy is a mongoloid.
If you say so. He's justified my first vote given whats transpired over his first term.
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2019, 04:51:20 PM
If you say so. He's justified my first vote given whats transpired over his first term.Yes, the conservative SCOTUS has surely improved your life immeasurably.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2019, 05:39:45 PM
Yes, the conservative SCOTUS has surely improved your life immeasurably.
Given the absolute disaster that has been Sotomayor's tenure, it sure as excrement beats the alternative.
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Given the absolute disaster that has been Sotomayor's tenure, it sure as excrement beats the alternative.Yes, our country has crumbled under her reign of terror. Couldn't even believe the last dissenting opinion she wrote, surely the most hateful document since Mein Kampf.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2019, 10:10:05 PM
Yes, our country has crumbled under her reign of terror. Couldn't even believe the last dissenting opinion she wrote, surely the most hateful document since Mein Kampf.
As opposed to those evil conservative justices, because of them we're practically in the age of Gilead.
Post by: Badger on December 17, 2019, 12:16:51 PM
As opposed to those evil conservative justices, because of them we're practically in the age of Gilead.No, but the steady erosion of labor rights is bad enough.
Post by: delavan on December 17, 2019, 12:43:10 PM
Crazy that Trump is really gonna get impeached smhgets the schiff kicked out of him mańana
https://twitter.com/drefanzor/status/1204951258240442368
Post by: mj2sexay on December 17, 2019, 03:29:06 PM
No, but the steady erosion of labor rights is bad enough.
Yes, one more conservative jurist and we'll be back to sweatshops in no time!
Post by: IATA on December 17, 2019, 08:59:03 PM
Post by: Badger on December 18, 2019, 08:55:31 PM
this dudes batshit insane letter to pelosi should be enough to get him impeached alone, he's lost his freaking mindiF hE's So StUpId ThEn WhY iS hE sO rIcH?
Post by: Badger on December 18, 2019, 10:54:13 PM
Anyway, remember when Republicans were already talking about impeaching Hillary in summer 2016? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 18, 2019, 11:19:15 PM
By the way my official stance on this whole thing is that it doesn't matter because of the Senate, but doing it to upset people was worth it.
Making a mockery out of what's supposed to be a grave and serious action to troll the cons.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 18, 2019, 11:44:31 PM
But the hallmark of his presidency is going to be acting a child with some severe developmental problems. Regardless of him actually having accomplished some good and not so good things (depending on your perspectives) that's what he will forever be known for
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 19, 2019, 12:26:01 AM
By the way my official stance on this whole thing is that it doesn't matter because of the Senate, but doing it to upset people was worth it.He deserves to be impeached for several different things. They probably should have gone after him for the Mueller Report, but they decided to let that slide. Then you add the Ukraine thing on top of that, and you had to impeach him.
Anyway, remember when Republicans were already talking about impeaching Hillary in summer 2016? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
It won't matter because of the Senate, but it will be a black mark on Trump for the rest of his life. They had to impeach him for this. You can't let presidents pee all over the constitution without consequences. Granted, Mitch McConnell will ensure there are no real consequences because all he cares about is keeping power, but nothing the Dems can do about that.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 19, 2019, 02:37:43 AM
He deserves to be impeached for several different things. They probably should have gone after him for the Mueller Report, but they decided to let that slide. Then you add the Ukraine thing on top of that, and you had to impeach him.
It won't matter because of the Senate, but it will be a black mark on Trump for the rest of his life. They had to impeach him for this. You can't let presidents pee all over the constitution without consequences. Granted, Mitch McConnell will ensure there are no real consequences because all he cares about is keeping power, but nothing the Dems can do about that.
How much of a black mark was getting impeached on Clinton?
The people who hated him still hated him, the people who liked him are still jealous of Lewinsky.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 19, 2019, 03:13:47 AM
How much of a black mark was getting impeached on Clinton?It's a black mark that he carries to this day. He gets mentioned in the same sentence as Trump and Andrew Johnson for the rest of his life. The people who hate him hate him, and the people who like him have that asterisk in the back of their heads (for that and other reasons).
The people who hated him still hated him, the people who liked him are still jealous of Lewinsky.
Post by: Badger on December 19, 2019, 05:29:28 AM
Making a mockery out of what's supposed to be a grave and serious action to troll the cons.Just a reflection of the mockery in the White House.
Post by: Badger on December 19, 2019, 05:39:32 AM
Do you think the Dems would have impeached a President Kasich? President Rubio? Your standard lib is unfortunately concerned with civility over ideology, and they'd probably accept most of what the current administration has done if they had a less obnoxious face on.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 19, 2019, 06:13:37 AM
I *kind of* get the "I only care about judges and taxes and the rest of this doesn't affect me personally" angle some conservatives have but pretending that this guy is a good or even functional human being is laughable.
Do you think the Dems would have impeached a President Kasich? President Rubio? Your standard lib is unfortunately concerned with civility over ideology, and they'd probably accept most of what the current administration has done if they had a less obnoxious face on.
You mean like when the dems tried to impeach Bush and basically called him a terrorist war mongerer who only cared about oil money for 8 years?
I don't disagree that Trump is a genuine piece of excrement on a human level, and has legitimate severe mental health problems. But Pelosi and Chuck spent 8 years foaming out the mouth about Bush who was by all accounts a decent human being (just like Obama and Clinton were, and the Republicans were very much scummy with Clinton as well)
So it's understandable supporters who don't care that Trumps a bad person to think that the same people who treated Bush like scum for 8 years are doing the same to Trump.
Bush was one of the most unfairly treated presidents in my short lifetime. Honestly I think the way that Bush was treated played a pivotal role in turning politics into the violent hateful circus it is today
Post by: IATA on December 19, 2019, 06:17:35 AM
You mean like when the dems tried to impeach Bush and basically called him a terrorist war mongerer who only cared about oil money for 8 years?Did we ever find those WMDs?
I don't disagree that Trump is a genuine piece of excrement on a human level, and has legitimate severe mental health problems. But Pelosi and Chuck spent 8 years foaming out the mouth about Bush who was by all accounts a decent human being (just like Obama and Clinton were, and the Republicans were very much scummy with Clinton as well)
So it's understandable supporters who don't care that Trumps a bad person to think that the same people who treated Bush like scum for 8 years are doing the same to Trump.
Bush was one of the most unfairly treated presidents in my short lifetime. Honestly I think the way that Bush was treated played a pivotal role in turning politics into the violent hateful circus it is today
Or are we forgiving him because he's a stupid guy, but a nice stupid guy?
Post by: dcm1602 on December 19, 2019, 06:22:24 AM
Did we ever find those WMDs?
Or are we forgiving him because he's a stupid guy, but a nice stupid guy?
You mean the war that Joe biden Chuck Schumer Hillary Clinton as well as countless other democrats also voted for? Or is only Bush stupid for supporting it? Or the fact that Bush got the majority of the international community to join with the United States making it an international endeavor?
If someone wants to blame Bush for the Iraq war that's fine with me as long as they point the crosshairs at every other person who voted to authorize it as well.
It must be real easy to vote for something, then to criticize someone else for it because it became popular to do so.
Regardless Bush derangement syndrome is certainly a huge factor why you people have to deal with a mentally unstable Trump for at least 4 years.
Post by: IATA on December 19, 2019, 06:29:41 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 19, 2019, 06:35:57 AM
Right, voting for something you were lied about to is clearly an equal to lying to everyone about the thing.
So Bush was the one who gathered and presented the information?
Or did they just trust him at his word?
Or are they just freaking idiots who did the popular thing at the time (vote for war) then did the popular thing at the time (oppose it)
Regardless the end result is 4 years of Trump, so enjoy!
Post by: mj2sexay on December 19, 2019, 10:44:08 AM
I *kind of* get the "I only care about judges and taxes and the rest of this doesn't affect me personally" angle some conservatives have but pretending that this guy is a good or even functional human being is laughable.
Do you think the Dems would have impeached a President Kasich? President Rubio?
Please.
Every Republican President is literally the 2nd coming of Hitler. I'm sorry that rather than elect a Republican who is all too conciliatory and willing to take it up the derriere both from establishment Democrats and their lemmings in the media (Kasich being a prime example of this type), WE, actual citizens in this country who's vote and voice means just as much as any other decided to elect an actual leader who would effectuate their stated policy positions and goals and throw the contempt of those elitists who hate us right back in their freaking faces.
You had your chance for that kind of feckless weakling Republican in the oval office, his name was Mitt Romney. You guys accused him of being an out of touch racist who orchestrated the death of a woman when Bain Capital closed down the plant her husband was working at, remember? And thank God you did! What a bullet dodged.
Impeachment has now been reduced from a very serious, historic and grave step to, "we didn't get our way in a national election and this guy hurts our fee fees so as soon as we get a majority in the House we're going to act like petulant children." Well, I'm now at the point where IDGAF if the next Democrat who gets elected to the Presidency does something as benign as omit that they once had an illegal working as their maid, IMPEACH. Thanks for setting the precedent, just like when Harry Reid invoked the nuclear option to end the filibuster I'm sure this won't come back to bite the Dems right in their short-sighted asses.
Your standard lib is unfortunately concerned with civility over ideology, and they'd probably accept most of what the current administration has done if they had a less obnoxious face on.
Quoted for a lack of awareness that is so unbelievable, it's startling. Your "standard lib" is taking to the streets with a vagina knitted on their head to protest freely held elections while simultaneously yelling YASSS SLAY QUEEN as Maxine Waters and her ilk goad them into getting into people's faces.
Actually, strike that. I don't even know what your standard lib is anymore. Classical liberals have been completely ostracized and supplanted by a bunch of regressive leftist hardliners.
Just a reflection of the mockery in the White House.
That "mockery"is going to skate to re-election on the back of a robust economy and I for one can't wait for the veritable salt-mine that is going to be blue check twitter and the mainstream media. Lets see how long RBG can hold on in his second term or if they have to prop her corpse up to make appearances at oral argument weekend at bernie's style.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 19, 2019, 10:48:07 AM
Right, voting for something you were lied about to is clearly an equal to lying to everyone about the thing.
Oh, so in other words our intelligence communities are completely capable of lying if it suits their purpose.
Hm. Pretty sure the FISA court said something very similar this week regarding how warrants were obtained to spy on a political campaign.
Post by: MBGreen on December 19, 2019, 11:05:25 AM
Oh, so in other words our intelligence communities are completely capable of lying if it suits their purpose.
Hm. Pretty sure the FISA court said something very similar this week regarding how warrants were obtained to spy on a political campaign.
You like how they slapped Trump into the Shake Rattle n Roll neckbreaker yesterday? #HonkyTonkMan
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 19, 2019, 11:53:48 AM
It was a mistake for House Dems to impeach Trump this week. At least in terms of the way it was done.
He's arguably the most impeachable president since Jackson--including Nixon. However, hinging it on a single phone call and the resulting fallout was a mistake.
I won't agree with mj2s on much of anything he's said in this thread other than impeachment is a grave and serious thing and should never be taken lightly (including impeaching someone over lying about getting head).
I've said before, Congress should have moved forward with censure. Sure, it's merely symbolic, but it would be the "black mark" they could point to the next time he does something ridiculous and illegal. Then you can start with the "enough is enough" arguments.
But the Democrats had that opportunity when all the news broke about kids in cages and they cowardly let that die.
Now they're handing over a legitimate investigation to a group led by someone who has blatantly admitted he has no need to review the evidence and will coordinate proceedings with the defense.
The Dems have wasted the better part of a year where they should have been publicizing the multiple major bills Sen. McConnell has been holding up votes on. Instead, they've all but ensured that all the psychopaths and racists will get off their asses next November to give us 4 more years of the same.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 19, 2019, 12:03:24 PM
Here's my perspective on the whole thing.
He's arguably the most impeachable president since Jackson--including Nixon.
Based. On. What.
The Dems have wasted the better part of a year where they should have been publicizing the multiple major bills Sen. McConnell has been holding up votes on.
Another precedent set by Harry Reid when Dems had a senate majority. Turnabout is definitely fair play.
Instead, they've all but ensured that all the psychopaths and racists will get off their asses next November to give us 4 more years of the same.
freak this nonsense. Sorry, but people disagreeing with your outlook and who they want for President aren't "psychopaths and racists" and labeling them as such has gotten you nowhere.
Trump's the President. By virtue of his office, he's very much open to criticism, however off-base it is. I'm not ignorant or stupid enough to forget the fact that Obama's been called a closet muslim, ridiculous/conspiratorial nonsense directed at the sitting President comes with the territory.
But this extension of that onto his supporters is divisive and wholly unnecessary.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 19, 2019, 12:22:42 PM
Based. On. What.
Another precedent set by Harry Reid when Dems had a senate majority. Turnabout is definitely fair play.
freak this nonsense. Sorry, but people disagreeing with your outlook and who they want for President aren't "psychopaths and racists" and labeling them as such has gotten you nowhere.
Trump's the President. By virtue of his office, he's very much open to criticism, however off-base it is. I'm not ignorant or stupid enough to forget the fact that Obama's been called a closet muslim, ridiculous/conspiratorial nonsense directed at the sitting President comes with the territory.
But this extension of that onto his supporters is divisive and wholly unnecessary.
I'm not trying to argue with you. I could do it all day, but I don't want to.
Why are you assuming I'm lumping you in with psychopaths and racists who will show up at the polls? Are you considering yourself in the same group with them? I don't consider myself part of the so-called "radical left."
Trump is president by virtue of an outdated electoral system combined with calculated redistricting and systemic voter disenfranchisement and will likely remain so for the same reasons.
The divisiveness in this country is largely a product of Fox News and everything Sinclair owns being quite willing to lie to its viewership, knowing they'll treat it as factual even when physical evidence disputes them. I've moved on from arguing about issues with the right because if someone is going to repeatedly tell me the sky is the same shade of green as a dollar bill, nothing I say is going to change their mind.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 19, 2019, 12:28:10 PM
If you're a voter in the middle on most things, you have no viable option. You can only alternate extremes with your votes just to keep the rollercoaster on the tracks.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 19, 2019, 12:45:08 PM
I'm not trying to argue with you. I could do it all day, but I don't want to.
Why are you assuming I'm lumping you in with psychopaths and racists who will show up at the polls? Are you considering yourself in the same group with them? I don't consider myself part of the so-called "radical left."
You're submitting that psychotic behavior and racism is a hallmark or characteristic of one side as opposed to being a bi-partisan characteristic. A statement like that is not only flagrantly false, but begging for the argument that neither of us want.
Trump is president by virtue of an outdated electoral system combined with calculated redistricting and systemic voter disenfranchisement and will likely remain so for the same reasons.
That "outdated system" is operating exactly as intended, especially if you look at any map in terms of which way the country voted demographically.
The divisiveness in this country is largely a product of Fox News and everything Sinclair owns being quite willing to lie to its viewership, knowing they'll treat it as factual even when physical evidence disputes them.
As opposed to WaPo, the New York Times, Politico, any of the 4 news networks that continually peddle bullshit and flat out falsehoods, any of the current or previous politicians who have castigated conservatives as heartless racists. It's all Fox and Sinclair's fault!
It's a shame politics have become so polarized. It's hard to have a political career and disagree with your own side once in a while. It didn't get this way overnight, but it's still bad. You're either all in or kicked off the freaking boat.
If you're a voter in the middle on most things, you have no viable option. You can only alternate extremes with your votes just to keep the rollercoaster on the tracks.
Or they could do what I did in 2012 and vote third party. Given how many are tuning out of either political party and the access to alternative candidates provided by the internet, I sincerely believe the day is coming where a third party candidate will garner enough of the vote again to be provided a platform at the debates.
Given what a threat that is to the established order of things, I also wholeheartedly believe that said candidate will be lied about or ignored by each respective partisan newsgroup at every turn.
After all, Jill Stein is a russian asset and Gary Johnson doesn't know what Aleppo is.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 19, 2019, 12:53:54 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 19, 2019, 12:57:59 PM
I'm just saying there isn't a viable "other" option. Viable. Won't stop me from voting for him or her. I just know it's a waste for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chFaesfO7fQ
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 19, 2019, 01:18:34 PM
You're submitting that psychotic behavior and racism is a hallmark or characteristic of one side as opposed to being a bi-partisan characteristic. A statement like that is not only flagrantly false, but begging for the argument that neither of us want.
No. That's not what I "submitted." What I submitted was that psychotics and racists will get off their asses in November, cast their ballots, and it will be for the guy who they idealize as being on the "same team" as theirs. All while Democratic voters either stay home and complain, or head to the polls to cast their vote for someone with no chance to win "to prove a point." The psychotics and racists will be more than enough to push him over the top again.
That "outdated system" is operating exactly as intended, especially if you look at any map in terms of which way the country voted demographically.
We completely agree there. The system works exactly as intended by racist slave owners.
As opposed to WaPo, the New York Times, Politico, any of the 4 news networks that continually peddle bullshit and flat out falsehoods, any of the current or previous politicians who have castigated conservatives as heartless racists. It's all Fox and Sinclair's fault!
Yes, it's the "dreaded MSM" fabricating the news towards that ominous radical left coming for the guns and everyone's retirement savings. Fox News showing families in tent cities invalidates the claims of children in cages, despite actual video footage showing just that.
Again, this is why I don't bother arguing with conservatives anymore. The entire right is so entrenched in their surety that they're "right" that no matter the evidence presented to the contrary, the determination to hold to those beliefs is unflagging.
Or they could do what I did in 2012 and vote third party. Given how many are tuning out of either political party and the access to alternative candidates provided by the internet, I sincerely believe the day is coming where a third party candidate will garner enough of the vote again to be provided a platform at the debates.
Given what a threat that is to the established order of things, I also wholeheartedly believe that said candidate will be lied about or ignored by each respective partisan newsgroup at every turn.
After all, Jill Stein is a russian asset and Gary Johnson doesn't know what Aleppo is.
There will never be a viable 3rd party in this country. Not until the entire system of our government changes (take all the money out of political campaigns). Until then, a third party will simply continue to take votes from a weak Democratic party that wastes time and energy whining about fair play rather than constructively working toward the change they desire.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 19, 2019, 01:27:47 PM
No. That's not what I "submitted." What I submitted was that psychotics and racists will get off their asses in November, cast their ballots, and it will be for the guy who they idealize as being on the "same team" as theirs. All while Democratic voters either stay home and complain, or head to the polls to cast their vote for someone with no chance to win "to prove a point." The psychotics and racists will be more than enough to push him over the top again.
This of course explains why noted white supremacists David Duke and Richard Spenser have already thrown their support behind Tulsi. Which IMHO should not be any sort of mark against her. The people you're complaining about hate Trump specifically due to the Jewish ancestry of his son in law and grandchildren, and his vociferous support of Israel.
We completely agree there. The system works exactly as intended by racist slave owners.
AHAHAHAHAHA you said something about people being entrenched in the surety that they're right. This is a ridiculous summation of the men who founded this nation.
Yes, it's the "dreaded MSM" fabricating the news towards that ominous radical left coming for the guns and everyone's retirement savings. Fox News showing families in tent cities invalidates the claims of children in cages, despite actual video footage showing just that.
Quoted for hilarity considering Merrick Garland's ascension to the Supreme Court based on his jurisprudence and remarks about Heller would've virtually guaranteed a radical and unprecedented reinterpretation of our 2nd amendment.
There will never be a viable 3rd party in this country. Not until the entire system of our government changes (take all the money out of political campaigns). Until then, a third party will simply continue to take votes from a weak Democratic party that wastes time and energy whining about fair play rather than constructively working toward the change they desire.
...You do realize the only time a third party had a demonstrative effect on an election it was to the Republican candidates downfall in 92. For all the talk that Nader cost Gore Florida (which of course conveniently ignores the uncounted military ballots that would've widened the gap even further), some 308,000 registered democrats in Florida voted for W. Blame them if you must.
There's not ONE swing state in which the outcome would have changed for Hillary if you operate from the likely presumption that those voting for Stein would have likely voted Democrat otherwise and those voting for Johnson would have otherwise gone Republican.
Obviously I don't agree with your assessment, but even for the sake of argument, assume its true. It's still incumbent upon a political party and its chosen candidate to rally the base and ensure that the message coming across is one that's solid enough so that people vote for them instead of a third party candidate. No one owes their vote to any party, its the other way around. They owe us by virtue of our vote (a debt that unfortunately is never repaid).
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 19, 2019, 01:39:56 PM
Obviously I don't agree with your assessment, but even for the sake of argument, assume its true. It's still incumbent upon a political party and its chosen candidate to rally the base and ensure that the message coming across is one that's solid enough so that people vote for them instead of a third party candidate. No one owes their vote to any party, its the other way around. They owe us by virtue of our vote (a debt that unfortunately is never repaid).
I am no longer engaging on the rest. I said I didn't feel like it, and I don't.
But the bolded part is the part where we agree. As I said, the Democratic party wastes time and energy complaining about unfair things or pursuing a futile impeachment rather than getting the message out regarding what they would change if given power.
Chuck Schumer loves to cry on Twitter about how the House has sent 8 major bills to the Senate and ol' Mitch refuses to allow votes on them. Maybe call a press conference? Get the candidates to bring it up in the debates? Pay for some ad time to tell the public about it?
Nah. Leave politics to the well-oiled Republican machine. Then cry about it again for another 4 years.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 19, 2019, 02:26:33 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 19, 2019, 03:04:21 PM
I don't have time to reply to all of MJ's comments, but if your reply to Trump being impeached is "Based on what" and you are calling the NY Times and CNN equivalent to Fox News when the Timea has routinely butchered the way it has covered Trump, it is a waste of time to argue.
Yes. Based on what. None of the Articles are even connected to a code or law.
Are you actually arguing CNN isn't an equivalent to Fox News in terms of just being trash infotainment that routinely panders to a specific viewpoint?
Post by: dcm1602 on December 19, 2019, 04:54:56 PM
Yes. Based on what. None of the Articles are even connected to a code or law.
Are you actually arguing CNN isn't an equivalent to Fox News in terms of just being trash infotainment that routinely panders to a specific viewpoint?
I'm pretty sure all the news channels are fairly equivalent, except maybe like CSPAN.
It's become a blatantly obvious formula for profit that extreme biased commentary is profitable
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2019, 05:32:52 PM
The conservative judges are not good for the little people so don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining that they're a good thing.
Republicans are as bad as the democrats they're freaking ruining the country just the same.
Post by: Jumbo on December 19, 2019, 05:37:50 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 19, 2019, 06:10:41 PM
politicians badFree frogurt....good
Post by: mj2sexay on December 19, 2019, 06:55:24 PM
Free frogurt....good
the frogurt is also cursed.
Post by: Badger on December 19, 2019, 07:12:02 PM
You mean like when the dems tried to impeach Bush and basically called him a terrorist war mongerer who only cared about oil money for 8 years?They didn't impeach Bush though, and the Iraq War was inarguably worse than anything Trump has ever done.
I don't disagree that Trump is a genuine piece of excrement on a human level, and has legitimate severe mental health problems. But Pelosi and Chuck spent 8 years foaming out the mouth about Bush who was by all accounts a decent human being (just like Obama and Clinton were, and the Republicans were very much scummy with Clinton as well)
So it's understandable supporters who don't care that Trumps a bad person to think that the same people who treated Bush like scum for 8 years are doing the same to Trump.
Bush was one of the most unfairly treated presidents in my short lifetime. Honestly I think the way that Bush was treated played a pivotal role in turning politics into the violent hateful circus it is today
Post by: Badger on December 19, 2019, 07:14:15 PM
Please.Hate to break it to you, you're a coastal elitist.
Every Republican President is literally the 2nd coming of Hitler. I'm sorry that rather than elect a Republican who is all too conciliatory and willing to take it up the derriere both from establishment Democrats and their lemmings in the media (Kasich being a prime example of this type), WE, actual citizens in this country who's vote and voice means just as much as any other decided to elect an actual leader who would effectuate their stated policy positions and goals and throw the contempt of those elitists who hate us right back in their freaking faces.
You had your chance for that kind of feckless weakling Republican in the oval office, his name was Mitt Romney. You guys accused him of being an out of touch racist who orchestrated the death of a woman when Bain Capital closed down the plant her husband was working at, remember? And thank God you did! What a bullet dodged.
Impeachment has now been reduced from a very serious, historic and grave step to, "we didn't get our way in a national election and this guy hurts our fee fees so as soon as we get a majority in the House we're going to act like petulant children." Well, I'm now at the point where IDGAF if the next Democrat who gets elected to the Presidency does something as benign as omit that they once had an illegal working as their maid, IMPEACH. Thanks for setting the precedent, just like when Harry Reid invoked the nuclear option to end the filibuster I'm sure this won't come back to bite the Dems right in their short-sighted asses.
Quoted for a lack of awareness that is so unbelievable, it's startling. Your "standard lib" is taking to the streets with a vagina knitted on their head to protest freely held elections while simultaneously yelling YASSS SLAY QUEEN as Maxine Waters and her ilk goad them into getting into people's faces.
Actually, strike that. I don't even know what your standard lib is anymore. Classical liberals have been completely ostracized and supplanted by a bunch of regressive leftist hardliners.
That "mockery"is going to skate to re-election on the back of a robust economy and I for one can't wait for the veritable salt-mine that is going to be blue check twitter and the mainstream media. Lets see how long RBG can hold on in his second term or if they have to prop her corpse up to make appearances at oral argument weekend at bernie's style.
Post by: Badger on December 19, 2019, 07:17:32 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 19, 2019, 07:30:49 PM
They didn't impeach Bush though, and the Iraq War was inarguably worse than anything Trump has ever done.
Anyone pining for the days of W is a moron at best and an absolutely hypocritical fraud at worst.
Hate to break it to you, you're a coastal elitist.
I don't know if anyone who attended this years WrestleMania could be categorized as an elitist.
I'd have written a longer response but I think you misunderstand where I'm coming from so deeply that it's not really worth continuing.
I made a mistake in assigning the actions of the Democratic party with "you" in my reply. There's two problems with it; you aren't responsible for the actions of the collective left, nor do you think the Democratic party accurately or effectively represents the left. But you're an actual leftist, so if I had to guess I'd say that's where your coming from.
Your ideology puts you directly at odds on a number of levels with someone like Trump, but you're consistent enough to not think of him as the monster everyone makes him out to be considering at the very least he's not a hawk by Presidential standards (i.e. not a complete warmonger).
I think your overton window is way out of whack for the States, but similarly you probably think mine isn't calibrated accurately in that where I consider Obama to be left of center, you'd consider him a moderate.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2019, 11:10:47 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 20, 2019, 10:34:59 AM
I want to meet the idiot that thinks Obama was a good President.
Good is a stretch. Personally, I was really young at the time, but I still think that Reagan was the best president of my lifetime, followed by Clinton. Bush Jr. and Trump are the two worst, with Obama and Bush Sr. in the middle. (I was born under Ford, but I wasn't old enough at all to know Ford or Carter).
As for whether Bush II was better/worse than Trump, while Bush sent off our young men and women to die over oil, Trump is literally separating children--including infants--from their parents and putting them in cages. Sorry, Trump is easily the worst president of my lifetime. It's not even close.
Post by: Johnny English on December 23, 2019, 07:50:10 PM
Properly batshit insane.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 23, 2019, 08:24:26 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1208881147867877377Nevermind, he craaazy.
Properly batshit insane.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 24, 2019, 08:00:04 AM
politicians bad
This is where I’m at. It’s where I’ve always been at.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 25, 2019, 10:02:09 PM
Post by: Jumbo on December 25, 2019, 10:05:04 PM
If Trump gets re-elected do they have to impeach him again or does this one just carry over
He was impeached, he's not president anymore
Post by: Heismanberg on December 26, 2019, 09:16:34 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 26, 2019, 09:24:15 AM
Getting breakfast this morning, I saw a white hipster wearing a MATH hat and an Asian wearing a MAGA hat.
our guy!
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2019, 04:18:29 PM
Good is a stretch. Personally, I was really young at the time, but I still think that Reagan was the best president of my lifetime, followed by Clinton. Bush Jr. and Trump are the two worst, with Obama and Bush Sr. in the middle. (I was born under Ford, but I wasn't old enough at all to know Ford or Carter).
As for whether Bush II was better/worse than Trump, while Bush sent off our young men and women to die over oil, Trump is literally separating children--including infants--from their parents and putting them in cages. Sorry, Trump is easily the worst president of my lifetime. It's not even close.
Bush was worse. Body count.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 02, 2020, 10:04:03 PM
Quote
Pentagon: At the direction of the President, the U.S. military has taken decisive defensive action to protect U.S. personnel abroad by killing Qasem Soleimani, the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps-Quds Force, a U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization.
Y tho
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2020, 10:06:34 PM
lol freak
Bush was worse. Body count.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 02, 2020, 10:50:53 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D69ebgbXYAEWBwK?format=png&name=small)
Always a tweet for everything.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 02, 2020, 10:55:52 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 02, 2020, 11:18:56 PM
Taking the side of homicidal iranian theocrats to own the drumpf!Better than starting another war to own the libs.
I didn't realize "not wanting to start a war" was taking the side of this poopchute, but GOP logic is infallible.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 02, 2020, 11:58:37 PM
Better than starting another war to own the libs.
I didn't realize "not wanting to start a war" was taking the side of this poopchute, but GOP logic is infallible.
What's infallible logic is attempting to paint Trump as some sort of warhawk in comparison to Presidents before him, the person he ran against, most members of Congress, etc.
There's a difference between deposing a secular dictator and taking out a religious fundamentalist who was already responsible for orchestrating the siege of an American embassy.
I know! Trump should've been like his predecessor and hosted people like Hadi al-Amari at the White House.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2020, 12:09:24 AM
What's infallible logic is attempting to paint Trump as some sort of warhawk in comparison to Presidents before him, the person he ran against, most members of Congress, etc.Nobody is disappointed this guy is dead. The issue is what happens next. And whether or not there is any sort of plan.
There's a difference between deposing a secular dictator and taking out a religious fundamentalist who was already responsible for orchestrating the siege of an American embassy.
I know! Trump should've been like his predecessor and hosted people like Hadi al-Amari at the White House.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2020, 05:37:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENUqF5uXsAEILZf?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D69ebgbXYAEWBwK?format=png&name=small)
Always a tweet for everything.
https://twitter.com/goangelo/status/1212938627279466503?s=21
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2020, 06:35:32 AM
Post by: IATA on January 03, 2020, 07:04:33 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 03, 2020, 07:38:10 AM
Nobody is disappointed this guy is dead. The issue is what happens next. And whether or not there is any sort of plan.
I know, that's why the usual suspects are busy talking about how this is an illegal war crime (like sieging an embassy isn't) and apologizing to Iran.
https://twitter.com/goangelo/status/1212938627279466503?s=21
Difference of course being 1. Trump's poll numbers aren't lagging and 2. Obama's administration wasn't provoked into deposing Ghaddafi.
MJ with another hot take directly from the dumpster
The next thing you say that's actually sensible or intelligent will be the first. It's amazing at how routine you are with the stupidity.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2020, 01:24:28 PM
Defend this, MJ
Post by: bojanglesman on January 03, 2020, 01:55:52 PM
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1213170673994084353?s=21I like ice cream.
Defend this, MJ
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2020, 01:59:55 PM
I'm sure there are no shi'a operatives in DC, right?
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2020, 02:02:20 PM
On the one hand I'm very glad I'm not on a deployable ship anymore. On the other hand, I'm very upset that I'm walking around public in uniform.I'm sorry that Trump and the GOP talk lip service constantly about how much they love the troops to help give them cover when they make moves like this which will almost certainly end in putting thousands of troops in danger.
I'm sure there are no shi'a operatives in DC, right?
Then they try to frame it as either you're either happy they killed this guy or you hate America.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2020, 02:10:35 PM
We're inflaming both anti-American and anti-Iraqi sentiments in Iran and potentially inflaming anti-Iraqi sentiments in Iraq.
Decapitation/assassination strikes like this are typically reserved for a war. The Qods force is a bunch of assholes but there is absolutely no nuance to this action. I don't see what the intention could be other than starting a war. The only question now is whether it will be fought directly with Iran or by proxy through the militias they sponsor.
Post by: Hemi on January 03, 2020, 02:17:17 PM
On the one hand I'm very glad I'm not on a deployable ship anymore. On the other hand, I'm very upset that I'm walking around public in uniform.
I'm sure there are no shi'a operatives in DC, right?
How about wear civilian clothes?
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2020, 02:17:43 PM
On the one hand I'm very glad I'm not on a deployable ship anymore. On the other hand, I'm very upset that I'm walking around public in uniform.
I'm sure there are no shi'a operatives in DC, right?
better start wearing a helmet outside.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 03, 2020, 02:20:26 PM
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1213170673994084353?s=21
Defend this, MJ
;D ;D ;D ;D Histories greatest monster!!!!
I'm sorry that Trump and the GOP talk lip service constantly about how much they love the troops to help give them cover when they make moves like this which will almost certainly end in putting thousands of troops in danger.
Then they try to frame it as either you're either happy they killed this guy or you hate America.
Yes, killing someone responsible for the deaths of hundreds of troops as they were in the midst of planning an attack after already emboldening their populace to storm our embassy surely would put more troops in danger as opposed to letting it go and letting these people think they can act with impunity.
Like I said. Sticking up for the Ayatollah's biggest wardog to own the Blunmf.
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2020, 02:23:52 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D Histories greatest monster!!!!
Yes, killing someone responsible for the deaths of hundreds of troops as they were in the midst of planning an attack after already emboldening their populace to storm our embassy surely would put more troops in danger as opposed to letting it go and letting these people think they can act with impunity.
Like I said. Sticking up for the Ayatollah's biggest wardog to own the Blunmf.
I hope Iron Sheik puts Trump in the camel clutch.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 03, 2020, 02:26:17 PM
I hope Iron Sheik puts Trump in the camel clutch.
You would, you dirty Canadian swine.
Besides, Sheiky baby wouldn't mess with a fellow WWE Hall of Famer!
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2020, 03:48:44 PM
How about wear civilian clothes?
I have to wear khakis on Fridays. If I bring them into the office and leave them there I have to either stay after or come in early to iron them in the office.
I would have left in my workout gear but it's in the low 40s, I left my sweatpants at home, and I apparently lost my cold weather acclimiation.
Post by: reuben on January 03, 2020, 04:55:34 PM
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1213170673994084353?s=21
Defend this, MJ
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What flavor, since this is news now
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Iraqi road
OK, that's good stuff.
Post by: delavan on January 03, 2020, 05:57:44 PM
https://twitter.com/AlinejadMasih/status/1212915124664782848
Post by: insanity on January 03, 2020, 06:42:55 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D Histories greatest monster!!!!Why cant there be a middle ground? Why is the other option a complete extreme?
Yes, killing someone responsible for the deaths of hundreds of troops as they were in the midst of planning an attack after already emboldening their populace to storm our embassy surely would put more troops in danger as opposed to letting it go and letting these people think they can act with impunity.
Like I said. Sticking up for the Ayatollah's biggest wardog to own the Blunmf.
Post by: Pope on January 03, 2020, 06:51:44 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2020, 07:14:52 PM
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2020, 08:55:40 PM
I mean in reality I dont know enough about the situation to know what the right move is. I just know that I do not trust Trump to make the right decision at all. Especially when he has shown he thinks starting a war is a way to try to get reelected.You know exactly as much about it as most of the people getting a violence boner.
The difference is they won't admit that they never heard of the guy before yesterday.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 03, 2020, 09:02:44 PM
You know exactly as much about it as most of the people getting a violence boner.Somebody killed Soleil Moon Frye? RIP Punky...
The difference is they won't admit that they never heard of the guy before yesterday.
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2020, 09:47:42 PM
Somebody killed Soleil Moon Frye? RIP Punky...Her titties will live forever
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Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2020, 10:38:33 PM
Sulemani was the overall commander and the engineer of a lot of their anti-American campaign in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He's also a state actor and a well know (think Mattis, McRaven or Powell) if nor beloved member of the Iranian government.
Let those three names give some context for the national response to a drone strike assassination of any of those three.
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2020, 12:17:44 AM
You know exactly as much about it as most of the people getting a violence boner.He means you Donald.
The difference is they won't admit that they never heard of the guy before yesterday.
Post by: Pope on January 04, 2020, 12:48:06 AM
Post by: Hemi on January 04, 2020, 06:47:54 AM
I have to wear khakis on Fridays. If I bring them into the office and leave them there I have to either stay after or come in early to iron them in the office.
I would have left in my workout gear but it's in the low 40s, I left my sweatpants at home, and I apparently lost my cold weather acclimiation.
You must be an officer. I was just and everyday petty officer. Rarely wore my uniform in public. Especially when forward deployed.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 04, 2020, 07:16:50 AM
Her titties will live forever..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200104/aa65ec5d6043b42674dadef8245e4635.gif)
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Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2020, 09:05:16 AM
You must be an officer. I was just and everyday petty officer. Rarely wore my uniform in public. Especially when forward deployed.
Yea, I’m an officer. I’m not forward deployed anymore; I just PCSd to DC for my shore tour. If I was still on a ship then I would have just left my uniforms onboard.
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2020, 07:06:33 PM
He means you Donald.Technically Trump first heard about him in a 2015 interview where he pretended to know who he was.
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“Are you familiar with General Suleimani?” Hewitt asked the real estate mogul from Queens.
“Yes,” said Trump, before hesitating. “Go ahead, give me a little … tell me.”
When Hewitt told Trump that Suleimani “runs the Quds Forces,” Trump responded: “I think the Kurds, by the way, have been horribly mistreated by us.”
“No, not the Kurds, the Quds Forces,” Hewitt interjected. “The Iranian Revolutionary Guards, Quds Forces. The bad guys.”
“I thought you said Kurds,” a sheepish Trump replied.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2020, 01:09:17 PM
(https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/iraqi-parliament-votes-in-favor-of-expelling-u-s-troops-11578236473)
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2020, 01:19:17 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2020, 01:35:54 PM
So we either respect and acquiesce, or admit we were lying about the whole "bringing democracy" thing.
It's a non-binding resolution so no direct action is tied to it aside from the parliament expressing their displeasure over the air strike to the PM.
It's still a terrible situation. We either leave and drastically reduce our tactical advantage of forward presence in the area or risk reigniting a war with Iraq on top of anything that happens with Iran and completely destabilizing an already volatile region even further.
Alternatively, PM tells parliament to freak off which could lead to a vote of no confidence and a regime shift.
Precarious to say the least.
Post by: insanity on January 05, 2020, 05:20:16 PM
Post by: Laxin on January 05, 2020, 09:24:30 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1213919480574812160?s=20
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 06, 2020, 06:12:58 AM
amazing.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1213919480574812160?s=20
Shitposter in Chief
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 06, 2020, 01:15:48 PM
Bush was worse. Body count.
lol freak
*sigh*
Post by: Pope on January 06, 2020, 10:17:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 09, 2020, 09:41:14 PM
This might be my favorite trump burn to date
Post by: insanity on January 10, 2020, 07:22:04 AM
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1215455005190369281?s=21Greatest leader
This might be my favorite trump burn to date
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2020, 09:49:21 PM
Trump 2020 confirmed
Post by: delavan on January 11, 2020, 02:00:01 PM
Bader to the left of them, Bannon to the right of them, folly & blunder
https://twitter.com/JimMaso02236687/status/1215751101259177984
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 23, 2020, 09:05:09 PM
Post by: Badger on January 23, 2020, 09:21:18 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 24, 2020, 08:29:07 PM
NPR's Mary Louise Kelly says the following happened after the interview in which she asked some tough questions to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. https://t.co/cRTb71fZvX
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 24, 2020, 10:42:08 PM
Big Ol Yikes
Post by: reuben on January 25, 2020, 12:49:45 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/20/us/puerto-rico-earthquake-aid-distributed/index.html
Big Ol Yikes
Not sure what to make of this. It would be one thing if Vasquez was in power while those supplies were received and subsequently lost or "lost", but the mob already forced out Rossello. This sounds like his bowl of excrement.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 05, 2020, 05:30:40 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1225174713992990721?s=21
Troll game on a hundred, thousand, trillion
Post by: Pope on February 05, 2020, 10:12:55 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1225158283209650176?s=21Godking
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1225174713992990721?s=21
Troll game on a hundred, thousand, trillion
Post by: insanity on February 05, 2020, 10:58:02 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1225158283209650176?s=21The mitt Romney one is even worse. Its straight propoganda.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1225174713992990721?s=21
Troll game on a hundred, thousand, trillion
"Romney is democratic spy operative"
With that said I think this one is the worst. https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/02/05/parent-guide-how-to-undo-liberal-revisionist-history-lessons-at-home-n2560720
Trump is retweeting this new conservative site which is literally all horseshit
Post by: mj2sexay on February 05, 2020, 11:15:02 PM
The mitt Romney one is even worse. Its straight propoganda.
"Romney is democratic spy operative"
With that said I think this one is the worst. https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/02/05/parent-guide-how-to-undo-liberal-revisionist-history-lessons-at-home-n2560720
Trump is retweeting this new conservative site which is literally all horseshit
It's only ok when a political party and their propagandists in the mainstream media categorize the sitting President as beholden to a foreign power in order to cast illegitimacy over an election (after weeks of lecturing everyone about the sanctity of elections) or compare him to a Nazi. Calling Romney that (though I prefer DTJr's categorization of him as just a complete hoo-ha, though I personally think it's all a grift) is benign in comparison.
1619 project and similar revisionist history which has minimal in common with actual fact are being introduced to public schools. The same watchdog and "intellectual" groups putting forth new curriculum have advocated for the banning of works like Dante's Divine Comedy because of its "racist, homophobic, anti-Islamist and anti-Semitic material." When do they come for To Kill A Mockingbird?
Trump retweeting TownHall is no different that Obama retweeting Vox or Huffpo, so considering I didn't like the latter, I can't say I'm thrilled with the former. But where's he supposed to go? The media hates him.
Post by: insanity on February 05, 2020, 11:30:49 PM
It's only ok when a political party and their propagandists in the mainstream media categorize the sitting President as beholden to a foreign power in order to cast illegitimacy over an election (after weeks of lecturing everyone about the sanctity of elections) or compare him to a Nazi. Calling Romney that (though I prefer DTJr's categorization of him as just a complete hoo-ha, though I personally think it's all a grift) is benign in comparison.I dont even know why I bother.
1619 project and similar revisionist history which has minimal in common with actual fact are being introduced to public schools. The same watchdog and "intellectual" groups putting forth new curriculum have advocated for the banning of works like Dante's Divine Comedy because of its "racist, homophobic, anti-Islamist and anti-Semitic material." When do they come for To Kill A Mockingbird?
Trump retweeting TownHall is no different that Obama retweeting Vox or Huffpo, so considering I didn't like the latter, I can't say I'm thrilled with the former. But where's he supposed to go? The media hates him.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2020, 12:07:57 AM
I dont even know why I bother.
no, you're right.
Criticizing Mitt Romney, a junior senator from Utah as a Democratic spy is totally worse than accusing the sitting President of being a Russian asset.
Post by: insanity on February 06, 2020, 10:15:09 AM
no, you're right.Your defense is always the same, deflecting blame.
Criticizing Mitt Romney, a junior senator from Utah as a Democratic spy is totally worse than accusing the sitting President of being a Russian asset.
X is worse
Y did the same thing.
Z is a false characterization of him
There was a principle we learned in Kindergarten. Two rights don't make a wrong. Just because you're an adult doesn't mean it doesn't still hold true.
The US president shouldn't be releasing propoganda videos against someone in the Senate because he disagreed with his position and didn't follow party lines. Our elected officials are sworn to support the people. They aren't elected to serve the party, nor the President, and no one should be intimidated when they don't align with the party or Presidents views. Contrarian to some people's beliefs, Trump is not our King. The standards for a sitting US President continue to be lowered every day. God forbid Obama wore a beige suit.
I'm not going to defend people calling Trump a Russian asset because it has nothing to do with this argument.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2020, 10:27:15 AM
Your defense is always the same, deflecting blame.
X is worse
Y did the same thing.
Z is a false characterization of him
There was a principle we learned in Kindergarten. Two rights don't make a wrong. Just because you're an adult doesn't mean it doesn't still hold true.
The US president shouldn't be releasing propoganda videos against someone in the Senate because he disagreed with his position and didn't follow party lines. Our elected officials are sworn to support the people. They aren't elected to serve the party, nor the President, and no one should be intimidated when they don't align with the party or Presidents views. Contrarian to some people's beliefs, Trump is not our King. The standards for a sitting US President continue to be lowered every day. God forbid Obama wore a beige suit.
I'm not going to defend people calling Trump a Russian asset because it has nothing to do with this argument.
"Propaganda video."
You aren't this humorless.
The fact that you're going to try and say that people don't operate in the greater context of what else is going on, while bringing up the total and complete "Obama in a tan suit" non-talking point which was never an issue with the exception of a 5 minute segment on one Fox show (and a completely absurd attempt to minimize the things he actually did that were objectionable), tells me you don't even believe your own argument.
It's not whataboutism to bring up precedent, especially when said precedent is literally on-going. It's a deflection tactic because you know what's worse, you just don't want to admit it because you don't like Broland Srampf.
No one is saying Trump is a king. Congressional Democrats and one absolute grifter don't get to disenfranchise 60 million people without really good cause as opposed to this absolute bullshit either.
Post by: insanity on February 06, 2020, 10:41:57 AM
"Propaganda video."(https://media.giphy.com/media/cz314BBYiCkiA/giphy.gif)
You aren't this humorless.
The fact that you're going to try and say that people don't operate in the greater context of what else is going on, while bringing up the total and complete "Obama in a tan suit" non-talking point which was never an issue with the exception of a 5 minute segment on one Fox show (and a completely absurd attempt to minimize the things he actually did that were objectionable), tells me you don't even believe your own argument.
It's not whataboutism to bring up precedent, especially when said precedent is literally on-going. It's a deflection tactic because you know what's worse, you just don't want to admit it because you don't like Broland Srampf.
No one is saying Trump is a king. Congressional Democrats and one absolute grifter don't get to disenfranchise 60 million people without really good cause as opposed to this absolute bullshit either.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 06, 2020, 11:01:30 AM
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Dude, he found a way to justify defending Rush Limbaugh. I would say just throw your arms up at this point.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2020, 11:13:30 AM
Dude, he found a way to justify defending Rush Limbaugh. I would say just throw your arms up at this point.
You're kidding me.
"He said X so that invalidates his argument on Y which has nothing to do with X"
Great logic, brought to you by the same thought process that thinks citing current and ongoing events and treatment of someone as they act accordingly is essentially whataboutism and not a valid excuse for said behavior. And I'm sorry, the "Obama wore a tan suit' talking point is freaking dumb. It's 100 percent a deflection tactic from say, gun-running to Mexican cartels and sending bales of cash to Iran while lying about it.
Simple question you simps: What's worse. A sitting President baselessly accusing a member of his party of actually doing the work of the opposition party, or the opposition party fraudulently and repeatedly accusing the leader of the free world of being an asset for a foreign, somewhat antagonistic government?
Post by: insanity on February 06, 2020, 11:26:46 AM
You're kidding me.That's not the argument.
"He said X so that invalidates his argument on Y which has nothing to do with X"
Great logic, brought to you by the same thought process that thinks citing current and ongoing events and treatment of someone as they act accordingly is essentially whataboutism and not a valid excuse for said behavior. And I'm sorry, the "Obama wore a tan suit' talking point is freaking dumb. It's 100 percent a deflection tactic from say, gun-running to Mexican cartels and sending bales of cash to Iran while lying about it.
Simple question you simps: What's worse. A sitting President baselessly accusing a member of his party of actually doing the work of the opposition party, or the opposition party fraudulently and repeatedly accusing the leader of the free world of being an asset for a foreign, somewhat antagonistic government?
The president is above this sort of communication. Period.
Secondly, Mitt isnt beholden to the president or his party, his responsibility lies with his state and doing what is right for the people of the US.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2020, 11:41:42 AM
That's not the argument.
The president is above this sort of communication. Period.
Secondly, Mitt isnt beholden to the president or his party, his responsibility lies with his state and doing what is right for the people of the US.
That's absolutely the argument.
The idea that you're going to drop a "the President is above this sort of communication" is indicative that you have no interest in examining previous Presidents behavior or recent history. The President's office is then also above the sort of communication in which him and his mouthpieces whether they be Jay Carney or Josh Ernst are above portraying any criticism as hyperbolic at best and virulently racist at worst, or say, utilizing the eulogy of a fallen police officer to lecture white people on race relations and the public at large on gun control.
What everyone always wants out of Republicans is to be good little soldiers and just take, take, take, take, take the abuse without dishing it back. Hence why the media was salivating over the prospect of a John Kasich nominee in 2016. They did it to Romney in 2012. They did it to McCain in 2008. Trump, for better or worse gives it back tenfold. It's why he's so hated, and also why he's so effective.
But I know, that's just whataboutism and not an example of a completely blatant double standard and set of rules for one guy as opposed to the other.
I agree with you that Mitt isn't beholden to the President or his party. He's also proven he's not beholden to his constituency in Utah, the voter base who supported him in 2012, or anyone but Mitt Romney. He's done it repeatedly, whether by flip flopping on certain social issues (like he all of a sudden had an epiphany in 2012 at 64 years old), or flip flopping on people themselves (when seeking an endorsement/donation from a certain reality tv figure for his Presidential run, referring to said figure as, "the man who can lead us to that better future"). The man is as malleable as water. I said it then even though I was no fan of Obama, we all collectively dodged a major bullet when he lost.
The fawning pieces from the same places that in 2012 portrayed him as a racist, elitist, misogynist sack of excrement (I don't know if he's racist or misogynist, he's definitely homophobic and without a doubt an elitist), is going to make for some hilarious reading material over the days and weeks to come.
Post by: MBGreen on February 06, 2020, 12:05:34 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 06, 2020, 12:24:32 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2020, 12:26:50 PM
You're obviously wrong because I highly doubt any place does support something so irritating and annoying, but anything can exist, but not really because unless you are in heaven then that can happen. But no one actually knows that was just a hypothesis, a lame one that is. Actually not really lame. You can create a wall of text supporting site, but you would be hated if you do that, so do not. But you can if you like, but I discourage that. Now on to the actual information of walls of texts. The wall of text was invented when the Internet was invented, but actually it was slow at that time. So whenever it became fast. But there would need to be some free or not free community for people, and that community would be able to have walls of text. But that community probably wouldn't have actually invented the wall of text. So basically, no one except God and Al Gore knows when or where or how the wall of text existed/was invented. Noobs probably invented, but probably not. Who knows. 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I highly doubt any place does support something so irritating and annoying, but anything can exist, but not really because unless you are in heaven then that can happen. Or some other things that would work but will take hours to think of. People are considered a nuisance if they create walls of text. This might be the end. If you hope this is the end, I am not sure. But if I was not sure then I wouldn't be talking. I should know. Or should I? The best way to make a better and good wall of text is to copy and paste what you previously typed or write. Hey, that reminds me. Walls of text aren't always on the internet! They could be anywhere that is able to produce symbols. D'oh. A wall of text is something that is frowned upon in most, actually virtually all Internet societies, including forums, chat boards, and Uncyclopedia. You should not make walls of text because it can get you banned anywhere unless it is a place that encourages walls of text. I highly doubt any place does support something so irritating and annoying, but anything can exist, but not really because unless you are in heaven then that can happen. But no one actually knows that was just a hypothesis, a lame one that is. Actually not really lame. You can created a wall of text supporting site, but you would be hated if you do that, so do not. But you can if you like, but I discourage that. Now on to the actual information of walls of texts. The wall of text was invented when the Internet was invented, but actually it was slow at that time. So whenever it became fast. But there would need to be some free or not free community for people, and that community would be able to have walls of text. But that community probably wouldn't have actually invented the wall of text. So basically, no one except God and Al Gore knows when or where or how the wall of text existed/was invented. Noobs probably invented, but probably not. Who knows. Walls of texts are usually filled with a lot of useless information and junk. Information and junk can be the same, but only if the information is junk or the junk is information. But who cares. The information/junk inside a wall of text are usually related to wherever the wall of text is located, but the best walls of text, which are actually the most irritating, most eye-bleeding ones, are completely random. Walls of text usually make the reader asplode or have their eyes bleed and fall out of their sockets. A number of people can stand it, but not read them. Actually some people can stand and read them. Those people do not have short attention spans. These are boring and patient people who have no life or have all the time in their hands, which are the same, but not really. The punishment of what making walls of text varies of the strictness of the community. But it doesn't really matter. Nobody cares. Walls of texts should be free of links, different font colors, strange characters, which are those other symbols used in society, and capital letters because it ruins the whole purpose of the infamy of walls of texts.
I met Shawn Michaels at a restaurant once - we’d accidentally been given his table. Apparently he was fond of the restaurant and had a specific table he liked, and the management had messed up and gotten their days wrong, (it was Tuesday and they thought he was coming on Thursday or something like that). Anyway, the manager, completely embarrassed (this is a pretty nice restaurant) comes by and says “I’m so sorry, but we’d like to move you to another table if you could be troubled, and we’ll gladly compensate you for the cost of the meal and any other meal you’d like while you’re in town.” My sister and cousin were both like “Yeah that’s cool.” and I kind of played the poopchute a bit. “I’m sorry, I just don’t understand. We’ve been here for 15 minutes - we’ve just ordered. Can’t we finish our meal here?” Then out of nowhere Shawn Michaels shows up next to the manager and says “Paul, these guys can finish. We’ll be at the bar. I got some time.” And I (being a big HBK fan) said “Oh wow, uh… I had no idea. Please feel free to give them the table.” Shawn was grateful, shook my hand and said thanks, then gave me a card with his number on it and told me to give him a call later. After working up the nerve, I gave him a call that night, and to make a long story short, we had a glorious 11 month love affair, man on man, that I shall never forget. Our bodies intertwined as one, and from the beauty of Morocco, to the French Riviera, to the snorkeling in the Galopagos, Shawn Michaels and I made glorious gay love to each other on six of the seven continents.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 06, 2020, 12:30:55 PM
It's not because there was literally video of him admitting to sexually assaulting women who "like it" when you "grab em by the hoo-ha."
It's not because he's separated migrant children from their parents and put them in cages. Oh wait, I forgot that's all liberal lies and propaganda and the actual video of it is just fabrications, sorta like the moon landing, I guess.
It's not because he created a tax cut that benefitted the wealthy and did nothing for the majority. Sorry, we got "more in our paychecks" at the expense of higher overall burdens for the year.
It's not because he's made every effort to repeal all aspects of Obamacare, including and especially, the pre-existing conditions mandate.
It's not because investigations proved that he put quid-pro-quo conditions on foreign aid to bolster his own political career. Marco Rubio said “Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation.” So we should just accept it and move on because it's "better for the nation."
It's not because he unilaterally attacked a sovereign nation that we aren't currently at war with and assassinated a prominent political/military figure. Wait. America doesn't assassinate, so we can't call it that.
It's not because he withholds aid to Puerto Rico, after a hurricane and earthquake.
It's not because he said "some very good people" led a white supremacist march that was responsible for the death of a counter-protestor.
It's not because he's blatantly racist, elitist, and misogynistic. It's because he "pushes back."
Post by: reuben on February 06, 2020, 05:12:05 PM
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Dude, just don't feed the troll.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2020, 06:04:44 PM
Dude, just don't feed the troll.
Dude, talk about excrement people say when they have no freaking argument. freak your classification of me as a troll. Say something substantive for once, or shut the freak up.
TIL Trump is hated because he "gives it back tenfold"
It's not because there was literally video of him admitting to sexually assaulting women who "like it" when you "grab em by the hoo-ha."
It's not because he's separated migrant children from their parents and put them in cages. Oh wait, I forgot that's all liberal lies and propaganda and the actual video of it is just fabrications, sorta like the moon landing, I guess.
It's not because he created a tax cut that benefitted the wealthy and did nothing for the majority. Sorry, we got "more in our paychecks" at the expense of higher overall burdens for the year.
It's not because he's made every effort to repeal all aspects of Obamacare, including and especially, the pre-existing conditions mandate.
It's not because investigations proved that he put quid-pro-quo conditions on foreign aid to bolster his own political career. Marco Rubio said “Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation.” So we should just accept it and move on because it's "better for the nation."
It's not because he unilaterally attacked a sovereign nation that we aren't currently at war with and assassinated a prominent political/military figure. Wait. America doesn't assassinate, so we can't call it that.
It's not because he withholds aid to Puerto Rico, after a hurricane and earthquake.
It's not because he said "some very good people" led a white supremacist march that was responsible for the death of a counter-protestor.
It's not because he's blatantly racist, elitist, and misogynistic. It's because he "pushes back."
Serious question, how many easily debunkable, excrement talking points that sound like the derriere end of an Occupy Democrats meme can you come up with?
Lets start from the top
- You can't possibly seriously believe that the Access Hollywood tape and off-color joke therein is an admittance of, "sexual assault." You can't. You can't possibly be that dense or humorless. But for arguments sake (and its ridiculous I even have to go here), the sentence THEY LET YOU DO IT blatantly provides consent. Which means that its not "sexual assault." But again, this is talking point that I don't think you actually even believe because its so unbelievably out of control in its stupidity.
- Wasn't the first President to "put migrants in cages." Further, Ted Cruz (of all people) introduced legislation in the Senate to streamline the asylum process and devote major funds to more judges and legal services so people claiming asylum would have proper representation and the process would be streamline. Wouldn't you know that Democrats opposed it. If I was cynical I'd say its because they don't actually give a freak about fixing the issue, just preserving the talking point.
Building further on this point of yours, I don't understand the alternative. Catch and release doesn't work. A sovereign nation is entitled to clear, defined borders and comprehensive laws which should be respected.
- Tax cut point is easily debunkable horseshit as even Washington Post (you know, those friends of Trump), admitted that the entire Democratic talking point of ("80 percent of the cuts go to the top 1 percent") is a flat out freaking lie. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/14/does-trump-tax-cut-give-percent-benefits-top-one-percent/
The cuts demonstratively raised the income of 80% of Americans. Obviously a greater benefit of said cuts are going to go to those who shoulder the greater burden in terms of taxes.
- The ACA was an abject failure, running against it is what got a majority of congressional republicans elected to begin with. Trump has repeatedly said any solution will include a mandate regarding pre-existing conditions. So I don't know what you're talking about.
- Investigations didn't prove excrement. Ukraine wasn't EVEN AWARE that funding may have been withheld, so how could there possibly be any charge of bribery or quid pro quo. As for Rubio, its a rare bout of intellectual honesty from Lil Marco that I wish Senate Dems would've followed considering you had Congressional Republicans who said the same thing the last time a President was impeached for clearly COMMITTING A FELONY. Bubba perjured himself in front of the entire country and there were Senate Republicans who voted against removal because of how disastrous removing a sitting President by un-democratic means would be. We don't usurp elections in this country, even if we don't get our freaking way.
- Nice flowery language to describe Iran and a "leader" who was not only responsible for American deaths, but was fermenting dissent in the region in an effort to take more American lives. Besides, wasn't that supposed to start WW3? Oops.
- Trump "withheld aid" to Puerto Rico in such a fashion that they're still finding warehouses full of goods on the island as local leadership gets arrested for corruption. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/puerto-rico-residents-outraged-after-discovering-warehouse-full-unused-aid-n1118501
- One of the worst, most dishonest narratives there is. The "very fine people" lie. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html
- That blatant racist, misogynist bla bla bla has done more to help the African-American community via criminal justice reform than any President before him for the last 40 freaking years. That blatantly racist President is overseeing a jobs market for black and hispanic communities that is unlike any in this countries history. Some racist.
excrement talking points are easily debunkable excrement, but according to unequivocal retards like Reuben, I guess I'm just trolling.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 06, 2020, 08:04:12 PM
Dude, talk about excrement people say when they have no freaking argument. freak your classification of me as a troll. Say something substantive for once, or shut the freak up.
freaking fart
Post by: mj2sexay on February 06, 2020, 08:22:08 PM
freaking fart
prrrrrrt.
Post by: Andrew Ryan on February 06, 2020, 09:35:34 PM
Post by: insanity on February 07, 2020, 11:16:43 AM
You can't possibly seriously believe that the Access Hollywood tape and off-color joke therein is an admittance of, "sexual assault." You can't. You can't possibly be that dense or humorless. But for arguments sake (and its ridiculous I even have to go here), the sentence THEY LET YOU DO IT blatantly provides consent. Which means that its not "sexual assault." But again, this is talking point that I don't think you actually even believe because its so unbelievably out of control in its stupidity.
This is absolute gold.
Also you should try reading the article you posted.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 07, 2020, 11:33:23 AM
This is absolute gold.
Also you should try reading the article you posted.
Do you actually believe that comment clearly made in jest is an "admittance of sexual assault."
Further, I did read the article. It's that lying sack of excrement Glenn Kesler so of course he couldn't help but try and denigrate the tax cuts (and I have examples of his clear ideological bias saved on a different computer if you want), but the idea that we should look to see when the tax cuts expire as opposed to being secure in the knowledge that they'll get extended COMPLETELY ignores any sort of recent history. Like you know, when Obama and the Democratic majority in the House and Senate extended the Bush tax cuts because to not do so not only does hurt the middle class but is political suicide.
Post by: insanity on February 07, 2020, 11:51:15 AM
Do you actually believe that comment clearly made in jest is an "admittance of sexual assault."I think what you miss is, just because something doesn't meet the degree needed to be convicted in a court of law doesn't mean it isn't wrong. Furthermore the standard of our President, the leader of 300 million adults, the person in charge of the most powerful military in the world, should be held to a higher standard if not the highest standard in our country.
In life most people are given the benefit of the doubt, but that benefit of the doubt gets taken away when you freak up.
Trump says he grabs girls pussies on tape,
you try to give him the benefit of the doubt,
oh wait he has been accused by 10+ women of sexual assault, including his ex-wife.
Trump asks the Ukraine for an investigation into Biden,
you try to give him the benefit of the doubt,
oh wait he asked Russia to find Hillary's email publicly
Do you actually believe that comment clearly made in jest is an "admittance of sexual assault."
Further, I did read the article. It's that lying sack of excrement Glenn Kesler so of course he couldn't help but try and denigrate the tax cuts (and I have examples of his clear ideological bias saved on a different computer if you want), but the idea that we should look to see when the tax cuts expire as opposed to being secure in the knowledge that they'll get extended COMPLETELY ignores any sort of recent history. Like you know, when Obama and the Democratic majority in the House and Senate extended the Bush tax cuts because to not do so not only does hurt the middle class but is political suicide.
With this logic, I hope for your sake you have a fixed mortgage loan on your house.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 07, 2020, 12:39:49 PM
I think what you miss is, just because something doesn't meet the degree needed to be convicted in a court of law doesn't mean it isn't wrong. Furthermore the standard of our President, the leader of 300 million adults, the person in charge of the most powerful military in the world, should be held to a higher standard if not the highest standard in our country.
In life most people are given the benefit of the doubt, but that benefit of the doubt gets taken away when you freak up.
Trump says he grabs girls pussies on tape,
you try to give him the benefit of the doubt,
oh wait he has been accused by 10+ women of sexual assault, including his ex-wife.
Trump asks the Ukraine for an investigation into Biden,
you try to give him the benefit of the doubt,
oh wait he asked Russia to find Hillary's email publicly
With this logic, I hope for your sake you have a fixed mortgage loan on your house.
So what you've done is take only a part of what he said literally, and completely ignored the THEY LET YOU DO IT portion of the comment because, of course. It's just so selective.
Oh wait, with the exception of his ex-wife who never filed a criminal complaint and only accused him of such behavior during a nasty and contentious divorce when all bets are off and people will say anything to get leverage, those claims all happened to mysteriously come out after he announced his candidacy. What. A. Coincidence!
It is unbelievable how literally you guys will take his words, except for the follow-up which completely exonerates him. Publicly asked Russia to find Hillary's emails? How can you possibly act like that wasn't a joke at a press conference?
I'm sure Trump did ask the Ukranians to look into Joe's bozo son. It's not bribery though if the other party isn't even aware of any aid money that may or may not be withheld based on the premise that if they don't investigate they don't get certain funds.
Comparing a mortgage to tax legislation is apples to bowling balls.
Post by: Laxin on February 07, 2020, 01:28:01 PM
So what you've done is take only a part of what he said literally, and completely ignored the THEY LET YOU DO IT portion of the comment because, of course. It's just so selective.
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Post by: mj2sexay on February 07, 2020, 01:30:59 PM
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freaking fart
I'll file all of this under excrement people say when they have no substantive point to make.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 07, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 07, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 07, 2020, 02:51:31 PM
A much louder mother freaking fart
If you were a public figure or anyone of note, you'd owe Sandmann a check for being an easily deceivable rube too.
46% of the country thinks a certain way. A way that completely disregards evidence and facts and finds ways to either dispute or outright ignores them. And they have more electoral votes than the other 54%. American democracy at work.
"Completely disregards evidence and facts' he says while still spewing the same falsehoods about the tax cuts and Puerto Rican aid.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 07, 2020, 03:09:51 PM
But hey, the liberal media is the real enemy of the people.
Post by: Jumbo on February 07, 2020, 03:58:15 PM
Imagine being so insecure with yourself that you must constantly attack the character of others rather than ever make a valid fact-filled argument?
But hey, the liberal media is the real enemy of the people.
Both sides of the aisle should stop pretending that they would take an argument from the other perspective as "valid" or "fact-filled" because the evidence shows that no one ever does
Post by: dcm1602 on February 07, 2020, 06:40:08 PM
I didn't like Obama, at all. But I thought he was a genuinely good intelligent person (who happened to be a giant hippie hoo-ha but hey nobody's perfect) . Unfortunately Bush didn't get that respect (he wasn't particularly intelligent but he was a good person)
Now we have Trump Schumer and Pelosi.
And anyone who doesn't think all 3 of them is part of the problem, is part of the problem. If all 3 of them agreed to never run for re-election or to hold any political office ever again, this world would be a far better place
Post by: insanity on February 07, 2020, 07:00:26 PM
So what you've done is take only a part of what he said literally, and completely ignored the THEY LET YOU DO IT portion of the comment because, of course. It's just so selective.
Oh wait, with the exception of his ex-wife who never filed a criminal complaint and only accused him of such behavior during a nasty and contentious divorce when all bets are off and people will say anything to get leverage, those claims all happened to mysteriously come out after he announced his candidacy. What. A. Coincidence!
It is unbelievable how literally you guys will take his words, except for the follow-up which completely exonerates him. Publicly asked Russia to find Hillary's emails? How can you possibly act like that wasn't a joke at a press conference?
I'm sure Trump did ask the Ukranians to look into Joe's bozo son. It's not bribery though if the other party isn't even aware of any aid money that may or may not be withheld based on the premise that if they don't investigate they don't get certain funds.
Comparing a mortgage to tax legislation is apples to bowling balls.
Alright final post on this. I feel like I know where this going to go, but I have two questions for you. Politics aside
1. Do you think it's okay for someone to say they grab women by their pussies? And sure, the person can follow it up with they let me do it.
2. Are would you be okay with that person being a role model for your children?
Post by: mj2sexay on February 07, 2020, 07:17:28 PM
46% of the country thinks a certain way. A way that completely disregards evidence and facts and finds ways to either dispute or outright ignores them. And they have more electoral votes than the other 54%. American democracy at work.
Imagine being so insecure with yourself that you must constantly attack the character of others rather than ever make a valid fact-filled argument?
But hey, the liberal media is the real enemy of the people.
lol, wut.
I did make a fact-filled argument. Maybe you missed it. Maybe you'd like to explain why you continue to double down on the easily debunkable nonsense you continue to insist is true when its not.
By the way, I wasn't sure whether I wanted to post that little doozy or the one where instead of tackling an argument head on you posted "something something he supported Rush bla bla' as an ad hominem.
Alright final post on this. I feel like I know where this going to go, but I have two questions for you. Politics aside
1. Do you think it's okay for someone to say they grab women by their pussies? And sure, the person can follow it up with they let me do it.
2. Are would you be okay with that person being a role model for your children?
1. I think people make off-color jokes literally all the time. I think its indicative of having a crass sense of humor, nothing more, nothing less.
2. Jimmy Carter would make an EXCELLENT role model. He also made for an incredibly shitty President.
Post by: insanity on February 07, 2020, 07:56:15 PM
2. Jimmy Carter would make an EXCELLENT role model. He also made for an incredibly shitty President.God forbid we strive for both, and have a pre-requisite for the former before the latter.
This is officially my last post on this.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 08, 2020, 12:14:33 AM
Both sides of the aisle should stop pretending that they would take an argument from the other perspective as "valid" or "fact-filled" because the evidence shows that no one ever does
QFT
Post by: Jumbo on February 08, 2020, 12:26:38 AM
QFT
Show me that I should stop talking with FACTS or LOGIC
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2020, 12:05:30 PM
https://twitter.com/photowhitehouse/status/1225909811851780096?s=19
Post by: Pope on February 09, 2020, 08:39:42 PM
Post by: reuben on February 09, 2020, 08:40:54 PM
Majestic creature
https://twitter.com/photowhitehouse/status/1225909811851780096?s=19
Not all angels wear their halos horizontally.
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2020, 01:16:19 PM
Post by: insanity on February 18, 2020, 01:48:11 PM
Commuted Blagojevich's sentence. He's all about draining that swamp.Obama commuted the sentence of much worse guys
Post by: d sw0rdz on February 18, 2020, 01:50:34 PM
Obama commuted the sentence of much worse guys
they both fvcking suck, what's the point of bringing up obama like it makes things okay
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2020, 01:51:13 PM
Obama commuted the sentence of much worse guysPresume you're talking the FALN guy?
Post by: delavan on February 18, 2020, 02:35:34 PM
Commuted Blagojevich's sentence. He's all about draining that swamp.
Reaching out to Dems?
https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1229825907428339718?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Post by: reuben on February 18, 2020, 03:35:26 PM
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“He served eight years in jail, a long time. He seems like a very nice person, don’t know him,” said Trump to reporters.
Great hair. Pardoned.
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2020, 03:36:55 PM
Great hair. Pardoned.Don't know him, but appeared on your TV show a bunch of times. All righty then.
Post by: insanity on February 18, 2020, 06:27:53 PM
Don't know him, but appeared on your TV show a bunch of times. All righty then.Dont know him, but pardoned.
Post by: insanity on February 18, 2020, 06:29:19 PM
Presume you're talking the FALN guy?It was sarcasm. Two wrongs dont make a right, but it's apparently a good excuse for Republicans
Post by: mj2sexay on February 18, 2020, 06:38:29 PM
It was sarcasm. Two wrongs dont make a right, but it's apparently a good excuse for Republicans
Comparing the pardons of Oscar Lopez Rivera to Rod Blagojevich to own the cons.
Which one was part of an organization that carried out bombings against civilians again?
Post by: Johnny English on February 18, 2020, 07:19:44 PM
Comparing the pardons of Oscar Lopez Rivera to Rod Blagojevich to own the cons.
Which one was part of an organization that carried out bombings against civilians again?
Well, Rod Blagojevich was a registered Democrat so....
(Obviously same joke would work had he been a registered Republican)
Post by: Badger on February 18, 2020, 09:19:40 PM
Which one was part of an organization that carried out bombings against civilians again?
Nah bro you're thinking of Edward Gallagher
Post by: Johnny English on February 19, 2020, 12:33:14 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/19/donald-trump-offered-julian-assange-pardon-russia-hack-wikileaks
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 12:50:24 PM
Hope you guys didn't pack your impeachin' paddle away yet.Still gotta prove it. It has to be ironclad, otherwise he'll just wiggle out of it like always.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/19/donald-trump-offered-julian-assange-pardon-russia-hack-wikileaks
Post by: Johnny English on February 19, 2020, 01:02:01 PM
Still gotta prove it. It has to be ironclad, otherwise he'll just wiggle out of it like always.For sure. Will be interesting have the story play out in a court outside the US though.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2020, 01:07:08 PM
For sure. Will be interesting have the story play out in a court outside the US though.Yep.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 20, 2020, 02:38:40 AM
Still gotta prove it. It has to be ironclad, otherwise he'll just wiggle out of it like always.
At this point its basically crying wolf
So many freaking accusations have been thrown at Trump people are going to have a hard time believing them
Although trumps probably guilty of numerous things, the dude appears that he's going to simply get attacked by everyone for everything
Post by: reuben on February 20, 2020, 09:32:16 AM
Hope you guys didn't pack your impeachin' paddle away yet.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/19/donald-trump-offered-julian-assange-pardon-russia-hack-wikileaks
Can Putin just take care of this dude already please.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 20, 2020, 11:19:18 AM
Can Putin just take care of this dude already please.
Hoping the leader of a foreign government that many have categorized as a menace takes out the sitting President to own the cons.
Post by: Johnny English on February 20, 2020, 01:05:58 PM
Hoping the leader of a foreign government that many have categorized as a menace takes out the sitting President to own the cons.You can see the irony in this post, right?
Post by: mj2sexay on February 20, 2020, 01:11:56 PM
You can see the irony in this post, right?
There's absolutely zero irony in it.
Trump made a clear and obvious joke during a Presidential campaign about emails. Hillary wasn't the sitting President.
During that time period in fact, Hillary was busy telling everyone how important it was to respect the results of an election (lmao), and the sitting President was telling everyone that there's no way said "foreign menace" (I actually align more with 2012 Obama by thinking that regarding Russia and not China as our major geo-political foe is cold war thinking), could affect our elections.
Post by: Johnny English on February 20, 2020, 01:22:37 PM
There's absolutely zero irony in it.Trump Derangement Syndrome clearly works both ways.
Trump made a clear and obvious joke during a Presidential campaign about emails. Hillary wasn't the sitting President.
During that time period in fact, Hillary was busy telling everyone how important it was to respect the results of an election (lmao), and the sitting President was telling everyone that there's no way said "foreign menace" (I actually align more with 2012 Obama by thinking that regarding Russia and not China as our major geo-political foe is cold war thinking), could affect our elections.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
https://t.co/Ej8lO5LJ9d
Post by: reuben on February 20, 2020, 08:09:24 PM
Hoping the leader of a foreign government that many have categorized as a menace takes out the sitting President to own the cons.
1) Joke.
2) Was referring to Assange, not Trump. Made no mention of Trump. Yet out you dash from underneath the bridge to charge at windmills.
3) "Owning the [opposition]" is not a reasonable motivation for 90% of America but I know you can't grasp that.
Post by: Badger on February 27, 2020, 01:23:01 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/523237015329193984?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on February 27, 2020, 02:10:55 PM
There really is one for everything
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/523237015329193984?s=19
That's just the fake news trying to distract you from the glorious gains this year of your 401ks in the stock mar........oh.
Post by: Badger on March 01, 2020, 02:38:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2020, 03:30:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3DeGegv.png)
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 09, 2020, 03:45:06 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 09, 2020, 03:45:48 PM
Which means Trump or Biden
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2020, 03:47:20 PM
Rep Matt Gaetz has been informed that he came into contact with a CPAC member who tested positive for COVID19. Matt Gaetz was with Trump on Air Force One earlier today. Take that for what you will.
The only people at any real risk are older people with poor general health to start with.... oh.
Post by: Jumbo on March 09, 2020, 03:48:52 PM
Your weekly reminder that there is a tweet for everything:
(https://i.imgur.com/3DeGegv.png)
I can't tell if you believe that this is genuine, because it definitely is not
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 09, 2020, 03:49:35 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 09, 2020, 03:53:36 PM
I can't tell if you believe that this is genuine, because it definitely is not
I can't tell if you expect me to verify the excrement I nick off Facebook, because I definitely will not
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2020, 06:19:18 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 09, 2020, 08:13:21 PM
https://twitter.com/egirlrespecter/status/1236033279029018630?s=21
I have to assume this is a response to JE.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 10, 2020, 06:47:28 PM
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If you like automobiles, how can you vote for a Democrat who all want to get rid of cars, as quickly as possible, especially if they are powered by gasoline. Remember also, no more than one car per family. I, on the other hand, have new plants being built all over Michigan, Plus!
Wha
Post by: Johnny English on March 10, 2020, 06:52:08 PM
Wha
I WORDS FALL SPEAK SOME COME MUST THEY CARS WOOOOOO
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2020, 07:03:42 PM
I WORDS FALL SPEAK SOME COME MUST THEY CARS WOOOOOOfreak yeah!!
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2020, 02:29:25 PM
my teenage daughter edited together a version of trump's address with only heavy breathing moments and I honestly don't think I've ever been prouder of her
parental discretion advised
@dyl_seidel https://t.co/m8U8B1ZMcK
Post by: Johnny English on March 13, 2020, 11:47:10 PM
freaking pinko libtard poopchute.
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Peter Wehner is a writer during the administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. Wehner is the author of The Death of Politics.[1] He is an American writer and Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC), a conservative think tank.
...
Wehner served in three Republican administrations (Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush).[4] He was a speechwriter for Secretary of Education William Bennett before becoming Special Assistant to the Director at the Office of National Drug Control Policy.[6] Wehner was then Executive Director for Policy for Empower America, a conservative group[6] that was founded by Bennett, Jack Kemp, and Jeane Kirkpatrick.[7]
Wehner served George W. Bush as Deputy Director of Speechwriting in 2001, and became the head of the White House Office of Strategic Initiatives in 2002.[6][4] After leaving the Bush White House in 2007, Wehner joined EPPC as a Senior Fellow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wehner
Post by: dcm1602 on March 14, 2020, 08:57:43 AM
Trump has done and been exactly who he always has during this entire situation
Post by: mj2sexay on March 14, 2020, 09:02:43 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/
freaking pinko libtard poopchute.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wehner
"Conservative" on the NeverTrump grift like Bill Kristol and Rick Wilson.
It's amazing how in places like TheAtlantic they went from being complete pieces of excrement aiding and abetting a war criminal (W) to wordly sages who long for a "return to normalcy."
K.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 09:41:06 AM
"Conservative" on the NeverTrump grift like Bill Kristol and Rick Wilson.
It's amazing how in places like TheAtlantic they went from being complete pieces of excrement aiding and abetting a war criminal (W) to wordly sages who long for a "return to normalcy."
K.
I used to post on this thread because of the interesting discussion, these days it's about 90% so I can watch you twist yourself in knots trying to justify why your absolute fuckknuckle of a leader isn't really doing a bad job at all and it's just everyone else who's wrong.
Post by: Johnny English on March 14, 2020, 05:02:58 PM
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”
March 13: "I didn't do it. I take responsibility for nothing."
Post by: bojanglesman on March 14, 2020, 07:20:24 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 14, 2020, 07:57:28 PM
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”
March 13: "I didn't do it. I take responsibility for nothing."
this is depressing
Post by: Badger on March 15, 2020, 09:18:15 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/
freaking pinko libtard poopchute.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wehner
"Conservative" on the NeverTrump grift like Bill Kristol and Rick Wilson.
It's amazing how in places like TheAtlantic they went from being complete pieces of excrement aiding and abetting a war criminal (W) to wordly sages who long for a "return to normalcy."
K.
mj is right (in a way, about this one specific thing)
Never Trump conservatives are worthless barnacles and no self-respecting member of the opposition should embrace them just because they add some imagined air of legitimacy to "orange man bad"
Especially when their objections to him have more to do with his tone and demeanor than the actual consequences of his administration.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 16, 2020, 08:19:45 AM
I used to post on this thread because of the interesting discussion, these days it's about 90% so I can watch you twist yourself in knots trying to justify why your absolute fuckknuckle of a leader isn't really doing a bad job at all and it's just everyone else who's wrong.
"Fuckknuckle" is my new favorite term
Post by: Heismanberg on March 16, 2020, 08:27:50 AM
"Fuckknuckle" is my new favorite term
Buckle up, fucklehead
Post by: mj2sexay on March 16, 2020, 12:06:31 PM
I used to post on this thread because of the interesting discussion, these days it's about 90% so I can watch you twist yourself in knots trying to justify why your absolute fuckknuckle of a leader isn't really doing a bad job at all and it's just everyone else who's wrong.
Interesting discussion? This place has always been an echo chamber of "BLARRGGGG BRUMPFFFFFFFFF" with the exception of Tommy and I, and Tommy's long since been banned.
Come back Tommy
Post by: Badger on March 17, 2020, 09:27:46 PM
Interesting discussion? This place has always been an echo chamber of "BLARRGGGG BRUMPFFFFFFFFF" with the exception of Tommy and I, and Tommy's long since been banned.He died of COVID-19 after molesting a pangolin
Come back Tommy
Post by: mj2sexay on March 17, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
He died of COVID-19 after molesting a pangolin
Heyyy I'm tryin to eat lunch here.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 18, 2020, 08:12:42 AM
Post by: IATA on March 18, 2020, 08:51:17 AM
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 06:24:17 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 18, 2020, 06:50:12 PM
Fiscal conservatism is for dumb cucks(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200318/dd8357ac296987e766c44099c8dbcbec.jpg)
You support legislation that would literally cost 93 trillion dollars.
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2020, 10:08:15 PM
You support legislation that would literally cost 93 trillion dollars.Money printer go brrrr
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 18, 2020, 10:15:50 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 18, 2020, 10:21:56 PM
Money printer go brrrr
Hahahahahahahaha
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2020, 07:57:17 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 08:30:53 AM
For the record I was complimenting Trump for admitting budget balancing is neither necessary or good, while Dems means test themselves into oblivion.
Well, no one ever accused mj2sexay of ever being a brain surgeon.
Post by: loyaljetsfan on March 19, 2020, 09:53:09 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 12:54:59 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
Post by: Johnny English on March 19, 2020, 01:19:15 PM
Lol wtf, I totally like Ilhan Omar now.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ilhan-omar-praises-trumps-incredible-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic
It's almost like she's a believer in policy rather than partisanship. Do the right thing, receive the appropriate praise.
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 01:48:32 PM
It's almost like she's a believer in policy rather than partisanship. Do the right thing, receive the appropriate praise.
Which is of course evidenced by her demonstrated record in continuing the charge that Trump is a racist despite his administration enacting the most comprehensive criminal justice reform in forty years, working alongside Van Jones of all people to get it done.
No one wants partisan bickering right now. I give her credit for understanding the poor optics of engaging in that type of behavior when people are worried about their health, homes, jobs, 401k's, etc. It's more than I can say for certain members of the media that think it appropriate to tweet at the first lady to #beinfected, or conversely try to use this as their soapbox about border security.
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2020, 04:11:45 PM
Hahahahahahahahahttps://brrr.money/
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 19, 2020, 05:10:33 PM
I still hate Trump and always will, but he's been more presidential the past 4 days than he was the previous 4 years.
https://twitter.com/kenolin1/status/1240374380338823172?s=21
Post by: mj2sexay on March 19, 2020, 05:15:10 PM
https://twitter.com/kenolin1/status/1240374380338823172?s=21
Another absolute retard who thinks Trump referring to this as the Chinese virus is racist.
Post by: Pope on March 19, 2020, 06:56:21 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 23, 2020, 09:55:42 PM
Presented without comment
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 10:30:16 PM
Post by: IATA on March 23, 2020, 10:30:44 PM
Post by: reuben on March 23, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 11:12:05 AM
I am 100% a "personal responsibility" person, but FFS, you should be able to trust what the most powerful person on the planet says to do in a crisis. The most important part of the job is, you know, leading!
Post by: Jumbo on March 24, 2020, 11:23:43 AM
The first reply I saw was someone blaming her and the husband for ingesting it.
I am 100% a "personal responsibility" person, but FFS, you should be able to trust what the most powerful person on the planet says to do in a crisis. The most important part of the job is, you know, leading!
They didn't take chloroquine, they took chloroquine phosphate, which is fish tank cleaner.
Blaming Drumpf for some Darwin Award winners being stupid is lolworthy
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 11:40:47 AM
They didn't take chloroquine, they took chloroquine phosphate, which is fish tank cleaner.
Blaming Drumpf for some Darwin Award winners being stupid is lolworthy
Why would anyone who has zero knowledge of chemistry understand that a specific-sounding chemical, that the President of the United States told them to take, would kill them?
This isn't Darwinism. If someone had listened to that televangelist who told people to gargle bleach to kill the coronavirus, fine, I'd say that's Darwinism. But the President of the United States told people it was okay to ingest something they'd never even heard of.
So what it's aquarium cleaner? If you don't know any better, why wouldn't you think "Well, it doesn't hurt the fish, why would it hurt me? The President said to do it and I want to survive this."?
Again, the most important part of the job is to understand you're the leader and you have to lead.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 24, 2020, 11:42:03 AM
Why would anyone who has zero knowledge of chemistry understand that a specific-sounding chemical, that the President of the United States told them to take, would kill them?All 3 are dumbasses.
This isn't Darwinism. If someone had listened to that televangelist who told people to gargle bleach to kill the coronavirus, fine, I'd say that's Darwinism. But the President of the United States told people it was okay to ingest something they'd never even heard of.
So what it's aquarium cleaner? If you don't know any better, why wouldn't you think "Well, it doesn't hurt the fish, why would it hurt me? The President said to do it and I want to survive this."?
Again, the most important part of the job is to understand you're the leader and you have to lead.
Post by: Jumbo on March 24, 2020, 11:42:49 AM
So what it's aquarium cleaner? If you don't know any better, why wouldn't you think "Well, it doesn't hurt the fish, why would it hurt me? The President said to do it and I want to survive this."?
If this is not the description of a Darwin Award winner, I don't know what is
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 11:44:59 AM
Why would anyone who has zero knowledge of chemistry understand that a specific-sounding chemical, that the President of the United States told them to take, would kill them?
This isn't Darwinism. If someone had listened to that televangelist who told people to gargle bleach to kill the coronavirus, fine, I'd say that's Darwinism. But the President of the United States told people it was okay to ingest something they'd never even heard of.
So what it's aquarium cleaner? If you don't know any better, why wouldn't you think "Well, it doesn't hurt the fish, why would it hurt me? The President said to do it and I want to survive this."?
Again, the most important part of the job is to understand you're the leader and you have to lead.
It's pretty much textbook Darwinism. If those morons can read Chloro-quinine then surely they can read phosphate after it.
It's like saying nitroglycerin can help prevent heart attacks and some idiot with heart problems swallows a stick of dynamite.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 11:50:48 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 11:52:18 AM
Awful takes guys, but whatever helps you sleep at night.Not nearly as bad as you defending the galactally stupid.
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 01:08:33 PM
Not nearly as bad as you defending the galactally stupid.
What average joe knows what phosphate is? Admittedly, I don't even know. I hated chem class in high school and did just enough to get through it.
Your example of nitroglycerin and TNT is invalid, because it falls into my bleach example. You'd have to be living under a rock to not know swallowing TNT would be harmful, just like bleach.
But why would most people know what phosphate would do to you?
You know what, I went and Googled "phosphate" and here's the first Q&A result:
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What is phosphate used for in the body?
Phosphate is necessary for the formation of bone and teeth. Phosphate is also used as a building block for several important substances, including those used by the cell for energy, cell membranes, and DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). The body obtains phosphate from foods and excretes it in urine and sometimes stool.
Doesn't sound bad at all.
Again, the President of the United States a person who if he doesn't know the answer should get the answer first, said a bunch of words on TV and people took it as sound advice.
It's a terrible take to blame those people for following what they understood to be the advice of the leader of the entire nation, who should freaking know better.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 24, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
Post by: Jumbo on March 24, 2020, 01:30:19 PM
What average joe knows what phosphate is? Admittedly, I don't even know. I hated chem class in high school and did just enough to get through it.
Your example of nitroglycerin and TNT is invalid, because it falls into my bleach example. You'd have to be living under a rock to not know swallowing TNT would be harmful, just like bleach.
But why would most people know what phosphate would do to you?
You know what, I went and Googled "phosphate" and here's the first Q&A result:
Doesn't sound bad at all.
Again, the President of the United States a person who if he doesn't know the answer should get the answer first, said a bunch of words on TV and people took it as sound advice.
It's a terrible take to blame those people for following what they understood to be the advice of the leader of the entire nation, who should freaking know better.
Here, instead of a hypothetical let's quote what actually happened according to WaPo:
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In Maricopa County, Ariz., a couple in their 60s watched politicians and news anchors on TV tout chloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has shown the ability to disrupt some viruses but that has not yet been proved effective against the novel coronavirus.
That pharmaceutical name matched the label on a bottle of chemicals they used to clean their koi pond, NBC News reported. The fish tank solvent that treats aquatic parasites contains the same active ingredient as the drug, but in a different form that can poison people.
“I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, ‘Hey, isn’t that the stuff they’re talking about on TV?’ ” the wife, who was not named, told the network. “We were afraid of getting sick.”
The couple reportedly poured some of the fish tank cleaning chemical, chloroquine phosphate, into soda and drank it. They hoped it would stave off a coronavirus infection.
“Within thirty minutes of ingestion, the couple experienced immediate effects” that sent them to the emergency room, a Banner Health spokeswoman said in a statement Monday. They felt dizzy and started vomiting. The husband died at the hospital, and the wife is under critical care, according to the statement.
I'm a bit more sympathetic towards this, but it's still Darwinian
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 01:35:28 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 02:54:40 PM
Here, instead of a hypothetical let's quote what actually happened according to WaPo:
I'm a bit more sympathetic towards this, but it's still Darwinian
Look, it wasn't a great idea, and when I heard all the nonsense about some supposed chemicals that helped "cure" the virus I didn't even pay attention because "C'mon" but as the article said, these people saw the same chemical being touted as some miracle. They probably figured "It doesn't kill my fragile-derriere fish, so it must be okay."
Gargling bleach is Darwinian. Not understanding chemical compounds is not Darwinian. And that's a hill I'll die on.
Post by: IATA on March 24, 2020, 03:20:10 PM
Post by: Johnny English on March 24, 2020, 03:26:33 PM
thats probly why trump was touting it, so he could get these idiots to drink it and die, thus saving his precious numbers of infected
Killing your supporters isn't good for a re-election campaign, although it would be funny to see him go full Jim Jones.
Post by: IATA on March 24, 2020, 03:32:51 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 24, 2020, 04:42:33 PM
I dunno, a pandemic that never gets resolved and rolls through the summer and fall would be a good excuse to delay an election, too
He doesn't even need to delay the election. In fact, as long as the "economy" isn't completely destroyed, the longer this epidemic lasts, the better it is for his reelection chances in November.
Right now, he's a crisis leader. People are terrified of change on the best days. During a crisis, people look for stability in leadership. If Bloomberg would've been willing to delay taking office, Rudy Giuliani, the specific reason NY voted in term limits, would've remained in the office of NYC Mayor past inauguration day because we were in a post-911 world.
Post by: d sw0rdz on March 24, 2020, 06:16:58 PM
it was highly irresponsible, and there are people around that like trump enough to dote on all of the capitalized words they see in his tweets
Post by: Miamipuck on March 24, 2020, 10:37:45 PM
In fairness, the husband has very successfully staved off any chance of his contracting the coronavirus.
Yes, but sadly Alio is correct, this isn't Darwinism. This gentleman was in his 60's he probably has kids so unfortunately his genes have passed on. Nevertheless freak Alio for defending a freaking moron.
Like George Carlin used to say, " think of how dumb the average person is, now just think 50% of the people are even dumber than that!"
Post by: reuben on March 24, 2020, 10:56:26 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/c6DIpCp1922KQ/giphy.gif)
Post by: Coach K on March 25, 2020, 08:48:08 AM
Post by: delavan on March 25, 2020, 05:11:54 PM
I've done so well with this virus . So well . -Trump daily presserIt's annoying. Here's a lighter take on Trump's "first person insufferable"
God only brought one guy back from the dead on Easter. Trump's here to bring back the whole economy on Easter 2020:
https://twitter.com/JLCauvin/status/1242515702688485376
Post by: reuben on March 25, 2020, 05:14:19 PM
It's annoying. Here's a lighter take on Trump's "first person insufferable"
God only brought one guy back from the dead on Easter. Trump's here to bring back the whole economy on Easter 2020:
https://twitter.com/JLCauvin/status/1242515702688485376
That's the best impression I've seen yet.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 01, 2020, 05:18:07 PM
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@RealDonaldTrump: Upon information and belief, Iran or its proxies are planning a sneak attack on U.S. troops and/or assets in Iraq. If this happens, Iran will pay a very heavy price, indeed!
-Information and Belief
Post by: IATA on April 01, 2020, 05:33:25 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2020, 04:53:15 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 02, 2020, 05:03:49 PM
Trump having another coronavirus briefing about......not the coronavirus.
Well what do you want Corona Virus briefings to actually be about? Coronavirus? Don't be so naive, coronavirus briefings should include no real coronavirus information, our enemies might benefit from coronavirus inflamation.
Post by: Badger on April 03, 2020, 07:55:17 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-plans-to-pay-hospitals-to-treat-uninsured-coronavirus-patients-11585927877
Post by: reuben on April 03, 2020, 08:07:51 PM
bUt ThE vA
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-plans-to-pay-hospitals-to-treat-uninsured-coronavirus-patients-11585927877
Now we're getting into Trump's wheelhouse. After this whole thing blows over, he'll say they did a shitty job and refuse to pay.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 05, 2020, 09:27:34 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 06, 2020, 06:41:07 AM
https://twitter.com/jameshohmann/status/1246950900859637762?s=21Probably drove past one of those gas stations that closed in 1984 and left the price sign up. Or he can't read.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 07, 2020, 11:01:30 AM
(https://i.insider.com/5988e0fb76084a507a8b5b09?width=1080)
Post by: Miamipuck on April 07, 2020, 12:37:55 PM
Trump loves his hot blondes. His new press secretary:
(https://i.insider.com/5988e0fb76084a507a8b5b09?width=1080)
Did Hugh Hefner test her out before he turned to dust?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 09, 2020, 06:17:37 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 12, 2020, 08:07:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3XAPhu8.png)
Post by: dcm1602 on April 12, 2020, 11:41:47 PM
10,000 Americans died this week.
(https://i.imgur.com/3XAPhu8.png)
10,000 Americans die every week
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 18, 2020, 12:58:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 18, 2020, 01:00:12 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2020, 02:10:17 PM
Wow
Post by: MBGreen on April 20, 2020, 02:28:06 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1252204786059018240?s=21
Wow
I wish that doofus put as much effort into fighting this pandemic than he does with his smear campaigns.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 20, 2020, 02:29:55 PM
I wish that doofus put as much effort into fighting this pandemic than he does with his smear campaigns.
Joe Biden will save us from the virus
Post by: MBGreen on April 20, 2020, 02:36:56 PM
Joe Biden will save us from the virus
by sniffing it up like a shopvac.
Post by: Pope on April 20, 2020, 06:57:20 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 21, 2020, 07:29:32 AM
https://twitter.com/jameshohmann/status/1246950900859637762?s=21
Got gas for $1.84 yesterday
Post by: dcm1602 on April 21, 2020, 07:38:16 AM
And Trump raised over 60 million in March
I think it's going to be extremely hard for biden to close that gap, especially with a devestated economy making it challenging to get rich donors zans near impossible to get poor ones
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 21, 2020, 08:04:12 AM
Apparently Trump has about 250 million in cash for his reelection bid vs 50 million for biden.
And Trump raised over 60 million in March
I think it's going to be extremely hard for biden to close that gap, especially with a devestated economy making it challenging to get rich donors zans near impossible to get poor ones
Nice so we can expect more fire memes
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2020, 10:39:09 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/lysol-manufacturer-warns-against-internal-use-after-trump-comments-n1191586
I just. Ummm. I don't know what to say anymore.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 10:49:22 AM
NBC News: Lysol maker warns against internal use of disinfectants after Trump comments.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/lysol-manufacturer-warns-against-internal-use-after-trump-comments-n1191586
I just. Ummm. I don't know what to say anymore.
Might be the dumbest thing a president has ever said
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2020, 10:55:49 AM
NBC News: Lysol maker warns against internal use of disinfectants after Trump comments.Curious what Mj has to say
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/lysol-manufacturer-warns-against-internal-use-after-trump-comments-n1191586
I just. Ummm. I don't know what to say anymore.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2020, 10:59:04 AM
Curious what Mj has to sayStrawman, liberal deep state, Obama.....
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 11:16:09 AM
Curious what Mj has to say
He probably poured some Lysol on his Wheaties
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2020, 11:58:46 AM
Man Just Buying One Of Every Cleaning Product In Case Trump Announces It’s Coronavirus Cure https://t.co/3bKatQGz04 https://t.co/0kkhWzjl98
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2020, 12:33:11 PM
Strawman, liberal deep state, Obama.....
I mean, its amazing the first word you used is strawman, since thats exactly what you're doing with this shitty little "summarization" of what you perceive is my common arguments. You either haven't read them or have really shitty comprehension skills. But I've actually met you and I know the motor skills are there, so I'll assume its the former.
Curious what Mj has to say
I'd get into how you'd have to be really stupid or intellectually dishonest to actually buy the "Ha Ha He SaId tO InJeCt BlEaCh" narrative when the guy is clearly describing a steroidal enhaler and a procedure known as Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation, a medical procedure which has been around since the 40's.
As for injecting "disinfectant", people receive hydrogen peroxide infusions along with their chemo/radiation protocols to help kill cancer cells. This hydrogen peroxide is obviously compounded by a specialty pharmacy, mixed with the correct solutions and protocols are followed. Yes, if you go buy a bottle of H202 and inject it straight into your veins you'll die. Don't do that. But that's also CLEARLY to anyone who isn't a complete freaking imbecile wasn't Trump was talking about.
I get the criticism that he's a horribly jumbled and inarticulate speaker. Ok. But to intentionally act like you're a dumb shmuck that is incapable of understanding what he was talking about, just shows that you will look for any reason to say something negative about him. Again, it's almost like you're either stupid as freak for buying into this shitty narrative or being intentionally dishonest.
He probably poured some Lysol on his Wheaties
I don't know what you sprinkle on your food to remain fat and willfully ignorant, but its working wonders!
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 12:35:18 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
I don't know what you sprinkle on your food to remain fat and willfully ignorant, but its working wonders!
queso fresco
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
I'd get into how you'd have to be really stupid or intellectually dishonest to actually buy the "Ha Ha He SaId tO InJeCt BlEaCh" narrative when the guy is clearly describing a steroidal enhaler and a procedure known as Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation, a medical procedure which has been around since the 40's.
As for injecting "disinfectant", people receive hydrogen peroxide infusions along with their chemo/radiation protocols to help kill cancer cells. This hydrogen peroxide is obviously compounded by a specialty pharmacy, mixed with the correct solutions and protocols are followed. Yes, if you go buy a bottle of H202 and inject it straight into your veins you'll die. Don't do that. But that's also CLEARLY to anyone who isn't a complete freaking imbecile wasn't Trump was talking about.
Really? You should probably tell him that then, because he doesn't actually think that that's what he was talking about. In fact, what he said today was "I was asking a sarcastic, & a very sarcastic question, to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. But it does kill it."
So was he inaccurately describing science, or was he being sarcastic? Which retcon are we going with, yours or his?
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2020, 12:42:47 PM
I mean, its amazing the first word you used is strawman, since thats exactly what you're doing with this shitty little "summarization" of what you perceive is my common arguments. You either haven't read them or have really shitty comprehension skills. But I've actually met you and I know the motor skills are there, so I'll assume its the former.You know what you are right, Trump was definitely talking about Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation
I'd get into how you'd have to be really stupid or intellectually dishonest to actually buy the "Ha Ha He SaId tO InJeCt BlEaCh" narrative when the guy is clearly describing a steroidal enhaler and a procedure known as Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation, a medical procedure which has been around since the 40's.
As for injecting "disinfectant", people receive hydrogen peroxide infusions along with their chemo/radiation protocols to help kill cancer cells. This hydrogen peroxide is obviously compounded by a specialty pharmacy, mixed with the correct solutions and protocols are followed. Yes, if you go buy a bottle of H202 and inject it straight into your veins you'll die. Don't do that. But that's also CLEARLY to anyone who isn't a complete freaking imbecile wasn't Trump was talking about.
I get the criticism that he's a horribly jumbled and inarticulate speaker. Ok. But to intentionally act like you're a dumb shmuck that is incapable of understanding what he was talking about, just shows that you will look for any reason to say something negative about him. Again, it's almost like you're either stupid as freak for buying into this shitty narrative or being intentionally dishonest.
I don't know what you sprinkle on your food to remain fat and willfully ignorant, but its working wonders!
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2020, 12:43:19 PM
Imagine actually defending this guy. Incredible.
Post by: insanity on April 24, 2020, 12:43:29 PM
Really? You should probably tell him that then, because he doesn't actually think that that's what he was talking about. In fact, what he said today was "I was asking a sarcastic, & a very sarcastic question, to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. But it does kill it."yes
So was he inaccurately describing science, or was he being sarcastic? Which retcon are we going with, yours or his?
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2020, 01:15:55 PM
This lover of the older lady is like Beetlejuice
Did someone say crazy person?!?!?!
...I heard it.
lol Trump
Imagine actually defending this guy. Incredible.
lol BLuMpf.
Imagine pretending the country wasn't humming by any statistical economic measure you want to use before we were slammed by a pandemic created by a lab accident in a backward communist pooper in which said communist shitholes racist, totalitarian government failed to mitigate said pandemic and freaking lied about it for months with the WHO either ignorantly or willfully co-opting their lies until late February.
Really? You should probably tell him that then, because he doesn't actually think that that's what he was talking about. In fact, what he said today was "I was asking a sarcastic, & a very sarcastic question, to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. But it does kill it."
So was he inaccurately describing science, or was he being sarcastic? Which retcon are we going with, yours or his?
Shitty bout of damage control that he shouldn't be walking back (and is clearly doing so hesitantly by his last words on the subject), because nothing he said was wrong and he was taken out of context.
For the record, here’s exactly what Trump said the two times he mentioned “disinfectant” during the briefing.
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At the briefing, Bill Bryan, head of the science and technology directorate at the Department of Homeland Security, discussed the findings of the federal government’s study on sunlight, humidity and temperature effect on the coronavirus, as well as disinfectants.
“We’re also testing disinfectants readily available. We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids. And I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes; isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing — just spraying it on and letting it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva,” Bryan said.
Trump then talked about discussions he’s had with Bryan, looking at him as he did so.
“So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that too. It sounds interesting.”
Insanity, tell me again how he wasn't talking about ultraviolet blood irradiation.
I haven't commented in here since March 19th because I'm more than content to accept the fact that this thread is no different than r/politics, any of a number of estrogen and outrage filled facebook threads that my boomer aunt starts, or any other 24/7 Drumpf threads of which there's an infinite amount over the internet, all of which I just don't have the inclination to care about anymore, especially in the middle of a pandemic. Specifically here, somewhere in the middle of being told my family should get COVID to telling complete strangers to get AIDS, I've just completely lost the appetite for any sort of political discussion.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 01:32:03 PM
Specifically here, somewhere in the middle of being told my family should get COVID to telling complete strangers to get AIDS, I've just completely lost the appetite for any sort of political discussion.
You really took the high road telling me to get throat cancer.
Enjoy your AIDS
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2020, 01:35:22 PM
Shitty bout of damage control that he shouldn't be walking back (and is clearly doing so hesitantly by his last words on the subject), because nothing he said was wrong and he was taken out of context.
For the record, here’s exactly what Trump said the two times he mentioned “disinfectant” during the briefing.
OK, let's say for a moment that I accept this explanation - it doesn't change the fact that, even by your admission as a fully paid up fan club member, he is a terrible speaker who isn't capable of a) formulating cohesive positions on his own, or b) sticking to a script. Add into that the fact that he has absolutely no scientific or medical credentials or apparent aptitude in those fields, and it all points to the fact that he really needs to shut the freak up and accede to actual doctors and scientists like pretty much every other world leader is doing.
All he has done throughout this whole business is sow confusion and argument, and he has needlessly compounded the issues by contradicting experts at both state and federal level, including his own Dr Fauci.
Although I will admit that it was funny when he made his supporters drink fish tank cleaner.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
Post by: Pope on April 24, 2020, 02:23:51 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
You really took the high road telling me to get throat cancer.
Enjoy your AIDS
Oh, I'm sorry was that before or after you essentially told me and my family to get coronavirus as we were in the throes of this thing and I had just posted about losing my job.
I think it was after, in fairness to you it was definitely before you described myself, members of my family (and idiotically 60 million plus) in the following fashion "you are a racist, homophobic, scumbag. No. Matter. What."
The. Typing. A. Period. After. Each. Word. Really. Makes. The. Point.
I regret nothing. Don't say horrible excrement and you won't get it back.
Post by: IATA on April 24, 2020, 02:55:45 PM
Somehow MJ got that block of excrement he posted out of these incoherent ramblings
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200424/ff074d8a5ef9e0ad2e93b5f19de7fb09.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 03:04:17 PM
Oh, I'm sorry was that before or after you essentially told me and my family to get coronavirus as we were in the throes of this thing and I had just posted about losing my job.
I think it was after, in fairness to you it was definitely before you described myself, members of my family (and idiotically 60 million plus) in the following fashion "you are a racist, homophobic, scumbag. No. Matter. What."
The. Typing. A. Period. After. Each. Word. Really. Makes. The. Point.
I regret nothing. Don't say horrible excrement and you won't get it back.
Here's the thing: I don't care if you tell me to get throat cancer on a message board.
You are the one having a bitch fit about everything.
You are a racist. You are a scumbag. That. Is. Fact.
Really not sure if you're homophonic, but probably.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2020, 03:04:28 PM
"So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn't been checked, but you're going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we'll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. " -Trump
Somehow MJ got that block of excrement he posted out of these incoherent ramblings
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200424/ff074d8a5ef9e0ad2e93b5f19de7fb09.jpg)
What would lefty memes be if they weren't unoriginal excrement that was bogarted from the same places they make fun of after like half a year of already being in circulation.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2020, 03:06:02 PM
Here's the thing: I don't care if you tell me to get throat cancer on a message board.
You are the one having a bitch fit about everything.
You are a racist. That. Is. Fact.
Here's the thing: I don't give a freak what you say about me. You extend that excrement to mine and other people's family because you're so gaslit and yes, thats where I draw the line.
I'm. Not. A. Racist. Because. Some. Delusional. Retard. Says. So.
Post by: Gorilla on April 24, 2020, 04:09:10 PM
the guy is clearly describing a steroidal enhaler and a procedure known as Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation
Yes, clearly....lololol. Crystal goddamn clear! Thanks for pointing that out to us, Kellyanne2sexay!
The mental hoops and pretzels and somersaults of Trump apologists...amazing but unsurprising. An unqualified, in-over-his-head reality TV show host and scam "university" founder, and you continue to make excuses for his dipshittery. Just simply say, "haha that was a stupid thing to say and Trump knows jack-excrement about covid but he can't help himself lol, that's my straight-shootin' President! At least he's done X,Y,Z satisfactorily in my opinion and I'm happy with the job he's doing. Also Obama and benghazi and lock her up!!@!!"
That would be understandable and kinda-sorta intellectually honest and you'd be able to push down the cognitive dissonance which has plagued the Republican party since 2016....no lame excuses necessary!
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 04:14:10 PM
I'm. Not. A. Racist. Because. Some. Delusional. Retard. Says. So.
No, you're a racist because you were raised by racists.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 24, 2020, 04:23:14 PM
Yes, clearly....lololol. Crystal goddamn clear! Thanks for pointing that out to us, Kellyanne2sexay!..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200424/c57d9f94bdbfd041dbb899937d1cc8e6.gif)
The mental hoops and pretzels and somersaults of Trump apologists...amazing but unsurprising. An unqualified, in-over-his-head reality TV show host and scam "university" founder, and you continue to make excuses for his dipshittery. Just simply say, "haha that was a stupid thing to say and Trump knows jack-excrement about covid but he can't help himself lol, that's my straight-shootin' President! At least he's done X,Y,Z satisfactorily in my opinion and I'm happy with the job he's doing. Also Obama and benghazi and lock her up!!@!!"
That would be understandable and kinda-sorta intellectually honest and you'd be able to push down the cognitive dissonance which has plagued the Republican party since 2016....no lame excuses necessary!
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2020, 04:34:01 PM
No, you're a racist because you were raised by racists.
My parents have done more for the greater good in one day then you've done in your miserable, insignificant piece of excrement lowlife existence.
Come to the tailgate this year.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 04:34:53 PM
My parents have done more for the greater good in one day then you've done in your miserable, insignificant piece of excrement lowlife existence.
Come to the tailgate this year.
lmao
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2020, 04:45:21 PM
Yes, clearly....lololol. Crystal goddamn clear! Thanks for pointing that out to us, Kellyanne2sexay!
The mental hoops and pretzels and somersaults of Trump apologists...amazing but unsurprising. An unqualified, in-over-his-head reality TV show host and scam "university" founder, and you continue to make excuses for his dipshittery. Just simply say, "haha that was a stupid thing to say and Trump knows jack-excrement about covid but he can't help himself lol, that's my straight-shootin' President! At least he's done X,Y,Z satisfactorily in my opinion and I'm happy with the job he's doing. Also Obama and benghazi and lock her up!!@!!"
That would be understandable and kinda-sorta intellectually honest and you'd be able to push down the cognitive dissonance which has plagued the Republican party since 2016....no lame excuses necessary!
Thanks for the lecture on how I should react, what I should say, etc. I'll snicker at that last bit about cognitive dissonance.
If you think he was actually suggesting we inject ourselves with Clorox, you're not very smart.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
lmao
Laugh all you want. Don't you ever denigrate my parents.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 24, 2020, 04:58:17 PM
Laugh all you want. Don't you ever denigrate my parents.
Denigrate...good word.
It means to blacken.
I’m sure they’d hate that...
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 24, 2020, 05:01:17 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UkJehlr1tEw/maxresdefault.jpg)
Post by: Pope on April 24, 2020, 05:12:40 PM
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2020, 05:18:20 PM
Really not sure if you're homophonic, but probably.
This mf said homophonic
Post by: Jumbo on April 24, 2020, 05:23:07 PM
This mf said homophonic
I freaking hate homophones, we need diversity of sound
Post by: Pope on April 24, 2020, 05:24:15 PM
Post by: Gorilla on April 24, 2020, 05:36:02 PM
Thanks for the lecture on how I should react, what I should say, etc. I'll snicker at that last bit about cognitive dissonance.
If you think he was actually suggesting we inject ourselves with Clorox, you're not very smart.
First of all, you're welcome(?). My little Jets forum post didn't contain any lectures, as far as I knew. I'm not used to being lectured, so I guess I wouldn't know.
Second, there is a huuuuuge gulf between "the guy is clearly describing a steroidal enhaler and a procedure known as Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation" and "lolz Drumpf said we should inject ourselves with Clorox!'
Nowhere was I making excuses for anyone or any MSM outlet who stated the latter. I was responding to your comical apologetic statement that you made via your Trump-Old-Dumbfuck-Babble-To-English translation ability.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2020, 05:38:12 PM
Ironic
Post by: Miamipuck on April 24, 2020, 05:41:57 PM
Me opening and closing this thread.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UkJehlr1tEw/maxresdefault.jpg)
Yeah I am out
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2020, 05:56:24 PM
Yeah I am outfreak you
Post by: Badger on April 24, 2020, 06:03:15 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2020, 06:06:45 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 26, 2020, 04:01:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 26, 2020, 04:14:44 PM
https://twitter.com/yaboy_adam/status/1254416104417562625?s=19
That is incredible
Post by: Badger on April 30, 2020, 07:51:23 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1255832117583495169?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2020, 02:54:52 PM
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Arizona police are now conducting a homicide investigation into a woman who claimed she gave her husband fish tank cleaner after President Trump claimed the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine was an effective treatment for coronavirus.
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The Washington Free Beacon, which first reported that Wanda was a “prolific” Democratic donor and that she had a troubling relationship with her husband that included a previous domestic assault charge, revealed Tuesday night that Mesa City Police Department is conducting a criminal investigation into the death of Gary, and requested recordings of the Free Beacon’s interviews with Wanda.
“As this is an active investigation, I cannot go into any details at this time regarding the case,” homicide detective Teresa Van Galder told the Free Beacon. In an interview, Wanda Lenius told the outlet that her decision to drink the cleaner with her husband was “a spur of the moment thing,” and that they ingested “one teaspoon and some soda” each — at least four times the lethal limit.
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The Beacon also reported that friends of the deceased man were skeptical that he would knowingly consume fish-tank cleaner.
“What bothers me about this is that Gary was a very intelligent man, a retired [mechanical] engineer who designed systems for John Deere in Waterloo, Iowa, and I really can’t see the scenario where Gary would say, ‘Yes, please, I would love to drink some of that Koi fish tank cleaner,'” one of his close friends told the Washington Free Beacon. “It just doesn’t make any sense.”
https://twitter.com/rkylesmith/status/1255535659533643779?s=21
Killing your husband to own the Trumps
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2020, 03:03:32 PM
https://twitter.com/rkylesmith/status/1255535659533643779?s=21
Killing your husband to own the Trumps
Sounds more like she killed her husband to kill her husband and is trying to use Trump as an excuse.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 30, 2020, 03:16:51 PM
Post by: Pope on April 30, 2020, 03:32:08 PM
Go on a killing spree and say it's because of Trump. More then half the country would find you not guilty by reason of Trump's insanity.This just might work
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2020, 03:43:05 PM
Sounds more like she killed her husband to kill her husband and is trying to use Trump as an excuse.(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21943249.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_SDC_MDG_Carole-Baskin-Tiger-King_2413JPG.jpg)
Post by: Miamipuck on April 30, 2020, 05:21:26 PM
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21943249.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_SDC_MDG_Carole-Baskin-Tiger-King_2413JPG.jpg)
Her husband ain't dead, he's hiding.
Post by: Johnny English on April 30, 2020, 05:27:51 PM
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article21943249.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_SDC_MDG_Carole-Baskin-Tiger-King_2413JPG.jpg)
Nah, this clown isn't on Carole's level. Carole not only got away with it, she disposed of the body in a way it can never be found, stood up to the scrutiny of a TV phenomenon as well as Oklahoma's strangest shirtlifter, and got to keep all of his money. Carole is an expert murderess (allegedly).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 08:57:08 AM
killed her, husband, whacked him
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
Carole BASKINS
killed her, husband, whacked him
Team Carole > Team Joe
Joe Exotic is the worst person ever.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 01, 2020, 09:32:10 AM
Joe Exotic is the worst person ever.
For you to say that in a thread about Trump
My mind is blown right now
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 09:33:28 AM
Post by: Gorilla on May 01, 2020, 04:29:22 PM
If I knew Joe Exotic existed in 2016 I would have voted for him
Trump was basically Joe Exotic for most of his existence, haha, at least since the '80s....a narcissist, pathologically insecure, larger-than-life, attention-starved reality show star who mostly served as the punchline of jokes.
For example, your post is using Joe Exotic as a punchline in EXACTLY the same way people would use Trump as a punchline, including (famously) The Simpsons.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 01, 2020, 04:39:40 PM
Team Carole > Team Joe
Joe Exotic is the worst person ever.
Actually supporting any of these people and attempting to justify it is proof that western society has failed.
Post by: Johnny English on May 01, 2020, 04:56:31 PM
Actually supporting any of these people and attempting to justify it is proof that western society has failed.
Don't get me wrong, Carole is also awful. Joe is just much worse. I despise everything about him.
Post by: Pope on May 01, 2020, 05:21:01 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2020, 06:01:14 PM
Carole BASKINS
killed her, husband, whacked him
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4jtSSph1BF4
Post by: Heismanberg on May 06, 2020, 10:19:58 AM
What is your opinion on Ahmaud Arbery?
Post by: mj2sexay on May 06, 2020, 11:02:27 AM
@mj2sexay
What is your opinion on Ahmaud Arbery?
I don't know one single person that has watched that video and isn't outraged.
It's going to a grand jury as soon as it possibly can on murder charges, and given the nature of grand juries and that video, I can't see how an indictment isn't coming.
Whether this is charged as murder or manslaughter is immaterial, Georgia specifically in their voluntary manslaughter statute provides;
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if there should have been an interval between the provocation and the killing sufficient for the voice of reason and humanity to be heard, of which the jury in all cases shall be the judge, the killing shall be attributed to deliberate revenge and be punished as murder.
Sounds like murder to me.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 06, 2020, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 06, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 06, 2020, 12:38:27 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html
Lmao four absolute raging assholes with horrible policy positions and absolutely nothing to offer but vitriol and anger. Of course they'd find a home in the NY Times op-ed section.
Personally, my favorite piece this week from the Times was their editorial boards insistence that the media not report on Tara Reade and leave it to the DNC to conduct an investigation. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Post by: Pope on May 06, 2020, 01:47:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 06, 2020, 01:54:00 PM
Lmao four absolute raging assholes with horrible policy positions and absolutely nothing to offer but vitriol and anger. Of course they'd find a home in the NY Times op-ed section.
Personally, my favorite piece this week from the Times was their editorial boards insistence that the media not report on Tara Reade and leave it to the DNC to conduct an investigation. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Aw c'mon, watching Trump crying about RINOs means they've won already.
Post by: Badger on May 06, 2020, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 06, 2020, 08:16:09 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 06, 2020, 08:48:31 PM
mj is right about those 4 being complete shits
Anyone who makes Trump accuse them of being RINOs isn't all bad.
Also, you think everyone even tangentially involved in politics and not called Bernie is moneygrabbing filth oozing corruption from every pore who can't wait for the next opportunity to launch Predators at brown children, so there's that.
Post by: Badger on May 06, 2020, 10:55:41 PM
Anyone who makes Trump accuse them of being RINOs isn't all bad.Dcm is that you?
Also, you think everyone even tangentially involved in politics and not called Bernie is moneygrabbing filth oozing corruption from every pore who can't wait for the next opportunity to launch Predators at brown children, so there's that.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 06, 2020, 11:43:30 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 06, 2020, 11:47:06 PM
Also, you think everyone even tangentially involved in politics and not called Bernie is moneygrabbing filth oozing corruption from every pore who can't wait for the next opportunity to launch Predators at brown children, so there's that.
i need to do some more analysis and introspection but this actually might be me, not badger
Post by: mj2sexay on May 07, 2020, 12:42:48 AM
My favorite part is that one of them is Kellyanne Conway's husband.
I could only imagine the absolute shitfit and rampant calls of misogyny, anti-women hatred etc. that would've arisen from certain segments of the media if a husband of a prominently placed Obama-era official (Samantha Power works in this hypothetical especially considering she was so gung ho about going into Libya) tried to grift his way towards 15 minutes of fame by constantly shitting on his wifes boss. And even then had it happened, I'd have thought it was lame, there's just something about it that's unseemly. Have some freaking loyalty to your spouse at least, though by the looks of it George Conway's gotten more action from Betty Crocker then Kellyanne.
Rick Wilson Steve Schmidt and George Conway are contemptible pieces of excrement for a whole host of reasons, but if you want to cast your eyes on them because they troll Blumpf, have at it. I didn't get Trey Gowdy's appeal during the Obama era, I'm not very good at the enemy of my enemy thing.
As far as the RINO designation, I'm not stupid enough to think Lindsay Graham and those like him who experienced a wholesale conversion post November of 2016 is any sort of epiphany as opposed to a survival tactic, so I'd rather we lob it on people who actually matter as opposed to some jerkoffs who are so insignificant that 90 percent of the population doesn't know the first thing about them.
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 07:13:04 AM
It's obvious that some people don't care about policy or its consequences at all, only whether or not the man in the White House is perceived as rude.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 07, 2020, 09:58:31 AM
Embrace of never-Trump conservatives and performative nostalgia for prior Republican administrations is some of the most pathetic behavior from mainstream liberalism.
It's obvious that some people don't care about policy or its consequences at all, only whether or not the man in the White House is perceived as rude.
these people possess an unreal level of fickleness. these are the types of people that are not good for this country
this excrement's all the same. 10-15 years from now we'll see pictures of people like the obama family hugging and warmly embracing with trump. people that are critical of trump today will be pining over parts of trump's presidency that they miss 10 years from now. they're going to find it heartwarming
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2020, 10:29:21 AM
Embrace of never-Trump conservatives and performative nostalgia for prior Republican administrations is some of the most pathetic behavior from mainstream liberalism.
It's obvious that some people don't care about policy or its consequences at all, only whether or not the man in the White House is perceived as rude.
It seems to me that you're failing to separate your idealism from the required level of pragmatism.
In your ideal world the US does not operate a closed two party system run by a pair of cabals competing to see whose financiers can outspend the other's while putting up two atrocious puppet candidates who most right thinking people want no part of, instead allowing individuals and groups to run on ideas and morals and principles and policies rooted in people, and crucially, giving them an equal voice so that the public can vote based upon what they believe to be right rather than what lies and fear have been beamed into their eyeballs most effectively. I think we can probably agree that that's a good thing to strive for, no?
Unfortunately the reality is that that world does not exist and is not about to come into being in the next six months, so pragmatism says that you support the less awful option of the two and then keep pushing towards your ideal. You appear to be unwilling to engage with that idea. Idealism is great and it absolutely is not the sole preserve of the young and naive - Bernie Sanders proves that - but untempered by pragmatism it's doomed to failure every time.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 07, 2020, 10:46:48 AM
It seems to me that you're failing to separate your idealism from the required level of pragmatism.
In your ideal world the US does not operate a closed two party system run by a pair of cabals competing to see whose financiers can outspend the other's while putting up two atrocious puppet candidates who most right thinking people want no part of, instead allowing individuals and groups to run on ideas and morals and principles and policies rooted in people, and crucially, giving them an equal voice so that the public can vote based upon what they believe to be right rather than what lies and fear have been beamed into their eyeballs most effectively. I think we can probably agree that that's a good thing to strive for, no?
Unfortunately the reality is that that world does not exist and is not about to come into being in the next six months, so pragmatism says that you support the less awful option of the two and then keep pushing towards your ideal. You appear to be unwilling to engage with that idea. Idealism is great and it absolutely is not the sole preserve of the young and naive - Bernie Sanders proves that - but untempered by pragmatism it's doomed to failure every time.
this argument falls apart if you don't view either of them as the 'less awful option'. i don't want anything to do with either candidate, and i quite frankly do not care which is in office, as it ultimately won't matter. the changes this country needs to improve will not be occurring with either trump or biden in office. given this reality, and the fact that i am in a locale where my vote will not matter nor will it change anything anyways, i will not be participating in the mockery that is the presidential election process. i actually feel this is an awfully pragmatic approach
the way this country is set up, tangible change will only come through the rigorous efforts of idealists. having said idealists cave in and succumb to platitudes such as 'let's be pragmatic about this' accomplishes nothing other than preserving the status quo and enabling the establishment to continue doing what they've been doing
Post by: bojanglesman on May 07, 2020, 10:52:38 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2020, 10:57:53 AM
this argument falls apart if you don't view either of them as the 'less awful option'.
You're right, it does.
i don't want anything to do with either candidate, and i quite frankly do not care which is in office, as it ultimately won't matter.
I can't get my head round this at all. Even if you disagree with his policy positions there's literally no way that an experienced politician like Biden whose reputation is built on his relationships on both sides of the aisle won't be a vast improvement on Trump. Biden won't issue statements on Twitter proclaiming neo-nazi marchers and armed militias who occupy state capitols as "very fine people". He won't put wildly unqualified relatives in positions to make wide ranging decisions affecting the lives, health and wealth of the American population. He won't wage phony trade wars to make people who were hoodwinked by his campaign lies think he's acting on their behalf. He won't make the idea of US leadership on the international stage a punchline.
Has he committed some form of sexual impropriety in the past? Possibly. Are his son's business dealings and his involvement in them a matter of concern? Sure. Will he launch Predators at brown children? If he deems it necessary, almost certainly. Is he and by his extension his policy machine in the pocket of corporate interests? Seems likely. But equivalent to Trump? Not even freaking close.
the way this country is set up, tangible change will only come through the rigorous efforts of idealists. having said idealists cave in and succumb to platitudes such as 'let's be pragmatic about this' accomplishes nothing other than preserving the status quo and enabling the establishment to continue doing what they've been doing
I agree, but again, you have to deal with the reality of the current situation and I don't see that choosing neither helps at all, other than to get Trump re-elected. Your boy Bernie is behind Biden, they've been friends for decades and if you want Bernie to have any influence at all over the next four years then it's logical that you would support the one candidate who might actually listen to him.
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 07, 2020, 11:02:06 AM
i don't think campaigning with the idea that biden is the less awful option will galvanize the country enough to secure the electorate for him, but only time will tell if the insanity of doing the same excrement that doesn't work over and over again was the best way of proceeding about all of this.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 07, 2020, 11:11:39 AM
we literally went through this 4 years ago. telling everybody to 'vote for the less awful person!' is the very reason why we find ourselves in the state we are today.In 2016 there were 2 new turds we hadn't seen in office yet. This year we have 1 turd we know is a excrement of titanic proportions and another guy who is probably a turd too. I'll take the turd I haven't seen stink up the shitter yet.
i don't think campaigning with the idea that biden is the less awful option will galvanize the country enough to secure the electorate for him, but only time will tell if the insanity of doing the same excrement that doesn't work over and over again was the best way of proceeding about all of this.
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2020, 11:30:08 AM
we literally went through this 4 years ago. telling everybody to 'vote for the less awful person!' is the very reason why we find ourselves in the state we are today.
i don't think campaigning with the idea that biden is the less awful option will galvanize the country enough to secure the electorate for him, but only time will tell if the insanity of doing the same excrement that doesn't work over and over again was the best way of proceeding about all of this.
Sure, although I would contend that the problem in 2016 wasn't telling people to vote for the less awful person, it was that you didn't do it.
You're back to the problem of ideology and pragmatism in conflict. Yes, it would be great if you had a better candidate than Biden. But you don't. You're currently tied to the track by your ankle and the train is not stopping. Just because you really don't want to cut off your own leg doesn't make it an equitable option to doing nothing and letting the train run over your head.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 07, 2020, 11:31:13 AM
In 2016 there were 2 new turds we hadn't seen in office yet. This year we have a 1 turd we know is a excrement of titanic proportions and another guy who is probably a turd too. I'll take the turd I haven't seen stink up the shitter yet.
That's a shitty way of looking at things.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 07, 2020, 11:49:40 AM
You're right, it does.
I can't get my head round this at all. Even if you disagree with his policy positions there's literally no way that an experienced politician like Biden whose reputation is built on his relationships on both sides of the aisle won't be a vast improvement on Trump. Biden won't issue statements on Twitter proclaiming neo-nazi marchers and armed militias who occupy state capitols as "very fine people". He won't put wildly unqualified relatives in positions to make wide ranging decisions affecting the lives, health and wealth of the American population. He won't wage phony trade wars to make people who were hoodwinked by his campaign lies think he's acting on their behalf. He won't make the idea of US leadership on the international stage a punchline.
Has he committed some form of sexual impropriety in the past? Possibly. Are his son's business dealings and his involvement in them a matter of concern? Sure. Will he launch Predators at brown children? If he deems it necessary, almost certainly. Is he and by his extension his policy machine in the pocket of corporate interests? Seems likely. But equivalent to Trump? Not even freaking close.
I agree, but again, you have to deal with the reality of the current situation and I don't see that choosing neither helps at all, other than to get Trump re-elected. Your boy Bernie is behind Biden, they've been friends for decades and if you want Bernie to have any influence at all over the next four years then it's logical that you would support the one candidate who might actually listen to him.
There is so much that is both nonsensical and non-factual about this comment that I don't even know where to start. But then, I'm not "right thinking."
In 2016 there were 2 new turds we hadn't seen in office yet. This year we have 1 turd we know is a excrement of titanic proportions and another guy who is probably a turd too. I'll take the turd I haven't seen stink up the shitter yet.
...The other turd has had over thirty years of a congressional and vice presidential career to let you know he's a turd.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 12:10:51 PM
It seems to me that you're failing to separate your idealism from the required level of pragmatism.
In your ideal world the US does not operate a closed two party system run by a pair of cabals competing to see whose financiers can outspend the other's while putting up two atrocious puppet candidates who most right thinking people want no part of, instead allowing individuals and groups to run on ideas and morals and principles and policies rooted in people, and crucially, giving them an equal voice so that the public can vote based upon what they believe to be right rather than what lies and fear have been beamed into their eyeballs most effectively. I think we can probably agree that that's a good thing to strive for, no?
Unfortunately the reality is that that world does not exist and is not about to come into being in the next six months, so pragmatism says that you support the less awful option of the two and then keep pushing towards your ideal. You appear to be unwilling to engage with that idea. Idealism is great and it absolutely is not the sole preserve of the young and naive - Bernie Sanders proves that - but untempered by pragmatism it's doomed to failure every time.
The system you described sucks and should not be accepted. This is why I’ve never felt strongly about American politics, among other reasons.
Your post was well thought out, but this has always been the gold standard:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=au8oNaVHUHw
First saw this in 2004 when it aired and it still holds up
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 07, 2020, 12:49:54 PM
Biden isn't a good candidate in terms of progress towards the left. He probably won't make a very good president. He's still a better option for anyone who only even touches the left when they sneeze than Trump.
Even if for absolutely no other reason than an upcoming Supreme Court seat, if a Democrat doesn't sit in the Oval Office in 8 months, say good-bye to a progressive agenda for a very long time.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 07, 2020, 12:55:12 PM
I can't even begin to fathom how anyone sees equality between Trump and Biden. Or at least anyone who doesn't consume FOX News for their edutainment.
Biden isn't a good candidate in terms of progress towards the left. He probably won't make a very good president. He's still a better option for anyone who only even touches the left when they sneeze than Trump.
Even if for absolutely no other reason than an upcoming Supreme Court seat, if a Democrat doesn't sit in the Oval Office in 8 months, say good-bye to a progressive agenda for a very long time.
The progressive agenda got F’ed in the A the last 2 election cycles. By the Democratic Party and it’s supporters.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 07, 2020, 01:02:49 PM
The progressive agenda got F’ed in the A the last 2 election cycles. By the Democratic Party and it’s supporters.
Look, I was a Hillary supporter, and until just before Bernie dropped out I supported Biden. I don't like Biden at this point and think he isn't a good candidate.
But not voting for him is voting for Trump, who is a danger to anyone who isn't drastically to the right. Sorry, but hold your damned nose and vote for Biden in November, if for no other reason than trying to preserve Roe v Wade.
They are just not equal. It's not even close. Trump2 will wreck the progressive agenda in irreparable ways. Biden just stands in the way of the agenda moving forward.
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 07, 2020, 02:57:29 PM
I can't even begin to fathom how anyone sees equality between Trump and Biden. Or at least anyone who doesn't consume FOX News for their edutainment.I agree with this. Being basically forces to vote for Biden is a slap in the face from the democratic establishment. But 4 more years of Trump is significantly worse.
Biden isn't a good candidate in terms of progress towards the left. He probably won't make a very good president. He's still a better option for anyone who only even touches the left when they sneeze than Trump.
Even if for absolutely no other reason than an upcoming Supreme Court seat, if a Democrat doesn't sit in the Oval Office in 8 months, say good-bye to a progressive agenda for a very long time.
At least Biden can give lip service to progressive ideals, especially with the right VP. We can let RBG retire and not have to worry about the supreme court freaking up more major rulings for thos country for the next 30 years.
Post by: delavan on May 07, 2020, 03:03:09 PM
Michael Flynn is gonna plead the fif.Michael Flynn's gonna drink a fif
One Two Three Four FIF
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/politics/michael-flynn-case-dropped.html
Post by: Pope on May 07, 2020, 05:56:18 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 07, 2020, 06:01:34 PM
We need to do away with the two party systemWhat is dead, may never die
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2020, 06:30:28 PM
We need to do away with the two party system
I think all but the biggest partisan ideologues probably agree with that. Problem is that it needs those two parties to both agree to and enact the systemic change required to make it happen.
Post by: Pope on May 07, 2020, 07:19:04 PM
I think all but the biggest partisan ideologues probably agree with that. Problem is that it needs those two parties to both agree to and enact the systemic change required to make it happen.I do my part by voting third party in elections
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 07, 2020, 08:11:19 PM
That said, I don't think 50% of America supports Biden OR Trump. I will vote for Biden. I will try to convince people on the fence to vote for Biden, particularly Bernie supporters. But Biden is near the bottom of democrats I want in charge.
It would be interesting to see a Biden vs Bernie vs Trump vs [insert more sane Republican here] election to see what would happen, but I don't see any major changes coming to the electoral process for a long time.
Post by: Johnny English on May 07, 2020, 08:44:51 PM
The problem with getting rid of the two-party system is that instead of having a president 50% of the people support (in theory), you would have one that would get significantly less of the vote.
That's how most of the world works, but there are ways of doing it. You could just have a ranked ballot for POTUS and scrap the whole primary system, for a start. Elect your local representatives and elect your President completely independently of each other. Let them figure out how to make things work when they all get to Washington.
Reform is almost impossible given the amount of power that the two parties have currently and your country's bizarre obsession with a piece of paper written 250 years ago, but better systems exist.
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 09:09:01 PM
Hopefully Biden can have enough decent people around him to transition us until the 2024 election.I have some bad news
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-06/biden-urged-to-drop-larry-summers-from-advisers-roster
Post by: Badger on May 07, 2020, 09:15:07 PM
At least Biden can give lip service to progressive ideals, especially with the right VP. We can let RBG retire and not have to worry about the supreme court freaking up more major rulings for thos country for the next 30 years.
I have no faith in any of this. I'm not even sure Biden is capable of lip service.
And appointing a new justice is entirely dependent on the makeup of the Senate after 2020. There's nothing Biden can or will do to get around that.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 07, 2020, 10:01:00 PM
That's how most of the world works, but there are ways of doing it. You could just have a ranked ballot for POTUS and scrap the whole primary system, for a start. Elect your local representatives and elect your President completely independently of each other. Let them figure out how to make things work when they all get to Washington.
Reform is almost impossible given the amount of power that the two parties have currently and your country's bizarre obsession with a piece of paper written 250 years ago, but better systems exist.
And this is who is lecturing me and mine about ignorance, self-interest, and whatever else.
That piece of paper written 250 years ago is the foundation of this country. I understand you don't give a freak about the central tenets of this country (nor should you quite honestly), but its a nice reminder of how outsiders really should have minimal influence on how we conduct ourselves because of the mindset above.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 08, 2020, 02:09:25 AM
And this is who is lecturing me and mine about ignorance, self-interest, and whatever else.
That piece of paper written 250 years ago is the foundation of this country. I understand you don't give a freak about the central tenets of this country (nor should you quite honestly), but its a nice reminder of how outsiders really should have minimal influence on how we conduct ourselves because of the mindset above.
Let's be honest. While the constitution still means something, this isn't that world. freaking electricity wasn't even a thing then. Essentially we spend all our time trying to extrapolate excrement and apply it to the modern era.
Use it as a guiding set of principles and inspiration sure. But don't try to pretend that the constitution was written with the intention of dictating internet privacy laws or rules about abortion nuclear weapons or some other bullshit. That's my biggest gripe with the constitution.
Not to mention both parties entire goal is to put people in power who use it to justify their bullshit. To me that means it's more nonsense than not. Oh they said thou shall not kill, thus abortion should be illegal because abortion is murder.
I think today the constitution is more about a tool to manipulate the masses than a guiding framework
Post by: Badger on May 08, 2020, 07:16:58 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 08, 2020, 02:23:39 PM
I'm an originalist, which means that any legitimate interpretation of the constitution coincidentally agrees with my personal politics.
For what its worth, this current Supreme Court isn't so much originalist anyway despite being conservative, especially if we're going from a window of Scalia to Kennedy, or originalism versus a more libertarian/natural law type of interpretation. Thomas is a stone-originalist, Gorsuch would easily be the next person I'd identify on this bench as an originalist but he deviates (whether he realizes it or not and I'm reasonably confident that he's unfortunately intelligent enough to recognize his own intellectual dishonesty and not give a freak. Puts him in good company with Sotomayor, he's just missing the blatant animus towards certain demographics).
Alito is far from an originalist, as is Roberts; Kavanaugh clerked under Kennedy so its no surprise he largely has adopted his predecessors way at looking at things.
But given that this is the Supreme Court, holdings and decisions are written down, and completely at odds with your above statement.
Scalia being the most notable conservative jurist, and therefore the obvious example, for his staunch social and political conservatism held in the affirmative on cases, laws and issues that otherwise would clearly and blatantly conflict with his personal politics due to his originalist interpretation and calling balls and strikes. Scalia the human believed in providing law enforcement every available tool necessary (almost to the point of militarization) to perform their duties. Scalia the judge? A defense attorneys wet dream as far as telling the police to freak off in terms of intrusive search and seizure.
RBG on the other hand has NEVER met with a crisis of reaching the correct decision constitutionality at the expense of her own personal beliefs. How utterly miraculous and coincidental. If only life were that easy.
On a totally unrelated note, great job by Kimmel to blatantly edit a video for no other reason than to take a cheap shot at Pence. I don't blame him, he knows his audience is a bunch of mindless rubes who will eat that excrement up. For those with a shred of objectivity though, I'm glad its blowing up in his face almost as badly as getting beaten in the ratings by Greg freaking Gutfeld (lol).
Post by: insanity on May 12, 2020, 06:58:48 AM
1. The most presidential president in us history
2. I love how he thinks hes doing a good job answering these questions. (I showed him)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 12, 2020, 08:29:44 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 12, 2020, 08:30:03 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 12, 2020, 08:50:48 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 12, 2020, 09:50:21 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-press-conference-obamagate-coronavirus-twitter-obama-flynn-a9509481.html?utm_source=reddit.com
1. The most presidential president in us history
2. I love how he thinks hes doing a good job answering these questions. (I showed him)
Obama knows what he did. HE KNOWS.
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2020, 05:29:02 PM
Obama knows what he did. HE KNOWS.Deported more people than the previous two administrations combined?
Post by: Johnny English on May 12, 2020, 05:34:47 PM
Deported more people than the previous two administrations combined?
Yes, that's exactly what Trump wants him prosecuted for.
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2020, 05:36:22 PM
Yes, that's exactly what Trump wants him prosecuted for.Of course not, conservatives are perfectly fine with all of the worst things Obama did.
Post by: insanity on May 12, 2020, 05:53:10 PM
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2020, 05:56:09 PM
I really miss the days when seated officials fidnt call people names.Listen fat,
Post by: insanity on May 12, 2020, 06:12:11 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 12, 2020, 07:50:33 PM
A formal White House official said, he's not playing “the sort of three-dimensional chess people ascribe to with decisions like this. More often than not he’s just eating the pieces.”
I wouldn't be surprised if he eats his own poop.
Post by: Johnny English on May 12, 2020, 08:55:03 PM
A formal White House official said, he's not playing “the sort of three-dimensional chess people ascribe to with decisions like this. More often than not he’s just eating the pieces.”
Assume you took that from the piece in The Atlantic? It was half a brilliantly written article and then kind of lost its way, but that is a terrific quote.
Post by: insanity on May 12, 2020, 09:23:12 PM
Assume you took that from the piece in The Atlantic? It was half a brilliantly written article and then kind of lost its way, but that is a terrific quote.Yep
Post by: mj2sexay on May 15, 2020, 09:44:40 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-press-conference-obamagate-coronavirus-twitter-obama-flynn-a9509481.html?utm_source=reddit.com
1. The most presidential president in us history
2. I love how he thinks hes doing a good job answering these questions. (I showed him)
Because the intelligent thing to do from his POV would be to engage with an overt and antagonistic press pool (and one that ran cover for their boy for 8 years and continues to do so) so they can do what they always do and warp the message. No thanks. I'm usually not a fan of his twitter rants, but this situation requires direct action (though obviously he should be more clear on that forum in laying out the allegations.)
A formal White House official said, he's not playing “the sort of three-dimensional chess people ascribe to with decisions like this. More often than not he’s just eating the pieces.”
Yes, because The Atlantic is where I want to go for hard hitting objective truth, such as Adam Serwer's miserable and latest bout of self-projection, or whatever the freak David Frum has to say. Let me just expand on this- I love using that racist piece of excrement Ta-Nehisi Coates latest diatribes as material to pick up my dogs excrement. It's the only proper thing to do.
I suppose its a relief that the absurdity/hyperbole/flat out nastiness in which this place has reached in classifying and describing me and mine doesn't come from some sort of authentic feeling, rather its just a regurgitation of what your supposed betters in a media apparatus that is revoltingly propagandist told some of you how to feel.
Anyway, while we're all guffawing at ObamaGate, shocking to see Yahoo actually run a piece of National Review that actually lay it out. Lets keep turning a blind eye to the fact that our intelligence communities were completely weaponized out of partisan and political motivations, seemingly at the behest of an outgoing President. https://news.yahoo.com/obamagate-not-conspiracy-theory-214627867.html
Feel free to knock National Review by the way as if they've in any way been Trump sycophants or cheerleaders over the last three plus years.
I've always found early 20th century Russian history fascinating, especially the fall of the Czar and rise of Soviet Union, but I also as a more naive teen and early twenty-something used to wonder at how a populace could not only remain willfully ignorant, but just accept the results of show-trials and purges blindly accepting the word of government. Given Flynn's treatment and the reality that so many (who ironically want our criminal justice system reformed) want this guy locked up despite the CLEAR demonstrative evidence that there was nothing in the way of any sort of probable cause to investigate Flynn, nevermind entrap him and secure a ridiculous plea by bankrupting the guy and threatening to prosecute his son, it's not so hard to imagine anymore.
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2020, 10:13:00 AM
Post by: IATA on May 15, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
- Donald Trump May 14
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
"When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases...It's common sense."
- Donald Trump May 14
the mj2sexay spin on this should be glorious.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 15, 2020, 10:33:40 AM
"When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases...It's common sense."Those 80,000 people prolly died of high capital gains taxes.
- Donald Trump May 14
Post by: Miamipuck on May 15, 2020, 10:45:07 AM
Post by: IATA on May 15, 2020, 11:09:21 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 15, 2020, 01:29:58 PM
Those 80,000 people prolly died of high capital gains taxes.
Nut Gainz taxes
Post by: delavan on May 15, 2020, 02:11:39 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/05/15/rory-mcilroy-says-he-wont-golf-again-with-president-trump-criticizes-his-leadership/
Post by: MBGreen on May 15, 2020, 02:35:33 PM
Rory McIIroy says he's not playing with Chubbsy Ubsy anymore:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/05/15/rory-mcilroy-says-he-wont-golf-again-with-president-trump-criticizes-his-leadership/
Finally...we got em.
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2020, 05:31:57 PM
Rory McIIroy says he's not playing with Chubbsy Ubsy anymore:I can't believe Rory would disrespect the troops like this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/05/15/rory-mcilroy-says-he-wont-golf-again-with-president-trump-criticizes-his-leadership/
Post by: mj2sexay on May 15, 2020, 06:42:25 PM
Feel like it's my job to point out, as always, that blue MAGA Russia/Flynn-obsessed maniacs and people legitimately trying to enact criminal justice reform are not the same group.
Yeah you're right, the latter who are actually authentic in their mission statement have actually been working with this administration ala noted conservative/racist Van Jones.
Theres a lot of intersectionality between the posers who espouse CJ reform and those who think Flynn should rot for purely political reasons due to railroading by one of our intelligence agencies at the behest of some of the most powerful figures in government.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 16, 2020, 09:09:50 AM
the mj2sexay spin on this should be glorious.
I’m too busy thoroughly enjoying Kate McEnany calmly and collectively lay out what ObamaGate actually is, and I await the spin on how Barry O doesn’t make Nixon look like freaking Jimmy Carter.
She’s also super easy on the eyes which is nice considering if I ever want to watch a press conference I’m usually stuck looking at April Ryan. Gross.
Post by: IATA on May 16, 2020, 09:20:02 AM
I’m too busy thoroughly enjoying Kate McEnany calmly and collectively lay out what ObamaGate actually is, and I await the spin on how Barry O doesn’t make Nixon look like freaking Jimmy Carter.Hahahahah obamagate
She’s also super easy on the eyes which is nice considering if I ever want to watch a press conference I’m usually stuck looking at April Ryan. Gross.
You freaking retard.
Post by: IATA on May 16, 2020, 09:21:45 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 16, 2020, 11:23:22 AM
Hahahahah obamagate
You freaking retard.
looooooool
Post by: Johnny English on May 16, 2020, 11:28:38 AM
Hahahahah obamagate
You freaking retard.
Wait until you hear what went on in the pizza restaurant...
Post by: Jumbo on May 16, 2020, 11:41:28 AM
It wouldn't be shocking if any president abused that.
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2020, 11:59:38 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1261626674686447621?s=19
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 16, 2020, 03:57:44 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 16, 2020, 04:27:43 PM
Hahahahah obamagate
You freaking retard.
Look I understand there's a significant part of the population that's not going to want to delve into any of this and are content to remain ignorant. That's fine. Doesn't really surprise me you're in that demographic considering the amount of times you've demonstratively proven to be a dumb freak. A special mix of scumbag entitlement that can only come from thinking you have some sort of moral or intellectual high ground over anyone.
looooooool
Ditto.
Wait until you hear what went on in the pizza restaurant...
What an absolutely absurd comparison. Especially laughable considering how long you were deluded into thinking Russia-gate was a thing.
FISA courts approve warrants at a 99.8% rate.
It wouldn't be shocking if any president abused that.
Hey don't come in here with any sort of objectivity.
Coming up with things to blame Obama for in order to shift blame during a national pandemic that you downplayed from day 1 is just priceless.
"Hey don't you dare try and publicize blatant abuse of power, oh and by the way magaTs are cultists!"
Post by: Badger on May 17, 2020, 08:51:56 AM
Post by: IATA on May 17, 2020, 03:57:40 PM
Look I understand there's a significant part of the population that's not going to want to delve into any of this and are content to remain ignorant. That's fine. Doesn't really surprise me you're in that demographic considering the amount of times you've demonstratively proven to be a dumb freak. A special mix of scumbag entitlement that can only come from thinking you have some sort of moral or intellectual high ground over anyone.
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Post by: delavan on May 17, 2020, 05:38:19 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 18, 2020, 03:41:03 PM
He tells reporters he's been taking it for a couple of weeks.
"I would have told you that 3-4 days ago," Trump says, "but you never asked me the question."
"A lot of front line workers are taking it," Trump adds.
"A lot of them are taking it as a preventative."
Post by: Johnny English on May 18, 2020, 11:41:59 PM
BREAKING: Trump says he is taking hydroxychloroquine.https://twitter.com/NunesDrag/status/1262584471699763201?s=19
He tells reporters he's been taking it for a couple of weeks.
"I would have told you that 3-4 days ago," Trump says, "but you never asked me the question."
"A lot of front line workers are taking it," Trump adds.
"A lot of them are taking it as a preventative."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 19, 2020, 07:43:27 AM
https://twitter.com/NunesDrag/status/1262584471699763201?s=19
Fat shaming? In 2020? Disgusting
Post by: Johnny English on May 19, 2020, 08:27:54 AM
Fat shaming? In 2020? Disgusting
Pish. It's an exemplary display of non-partisan concern for a colleague and fellow human being, particularly one whose cognitive impairment issues makes them more vulnerable to harm. She's a fine person doing her civic duty.
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2020, 11:35:43 AM
mj you don't have to reply now, I got you
Post by: Johnny English on May 19, 2020, 12:09:53 PM
Morbidly obese? Guess you might find that funny if you read DAILYKOS but where was San Fran Nancy's concern over Barney Frank and his DISGUSTING body?
mj you don't have to reply now, I got you
She refused to acknowledge Barney's existence as she hated the idea of not having the biggest rack in the House.
Post by: IATA on May 19, 2020, 04:00:09 PM
Post by: insanity on May 19, 2020, 05:30:35 PM
Pish. It's an exemplary display of non-partisan concern for a colleague and fellow human being, particularly one whose cognitive impairment issues makes them more vulnerable to harm. She's a fine person doing her civic duty.Jesus christ MJ let it go!
Post by: reuben on May 19, 2020, 06:12:46 PM
also the president was merely being sarcastic about taking hydrox
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No sarcasm. Two sleeves a day. He scrapes off the frosting and dips them in ketchup.
Post by: Pope on May 19, 2020, 08:18:02 PM
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2020, 10:10:47 PM
You guys should be ecstatic. If he dies your dream comes trueIt would be pretty funny but President Pence doesn't really improve anything
Post by: Miamipuck on May 19, 2020, 10:17:18 PM
It would be pretty funny but President Pence doesn't really improve anything
Apart from not enough idiotic ramblings, he would be even worse.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 20, 2020, 05:48:46 AM
Morbidly obese? Guess you might find that funny if you read DAILYKOS but where was San Fran Nancy's concern over Barney Frank and his DISGUSTING body?
mj you don't have to reply now, I got you
I was actually going to approach this by mocking JE with a "yaaaasss slayyyyyyy Aunt Nancy, you're not a contemptible drunk who's gotten rich off of her position" but this approach works as well.
As we all know, Stacey Abrams is just a paragon of physical fitness.
Post by: Badger on May 20, 2020, 06:52:03 AM
Post by: Badger on May 20, 2020, 08:43:13 AM
Post by: insanity on May 20, 2020, 09:17:10 AM
I was actually going to approach this by mocking JE with a "yaaaasss slayyyyyyy Aunt Nancy, you're not a contemptible drunk who's gotten rich off of her position" but this approach works as well.
Damit JE, I knew there was something you missed. You need to also tear down the person who said the quote to invalidate their claim. What you say about the person doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, just that you say something bad about them.
Post by: IATA on May 20, 2020, 11:46:44 AM
If you could, please identify which law the secretary broke and what funding Donald is planning on withholding in Michigan.
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Post by: Badger on May 20, 2020, 12:29:15 PM
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1263132098912804866?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on May 20, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
@mj2sexayI mean, his name does sound like "armed robbery"
What is your opinion on Ahmaud Arbery?
Post by: insanity on May 20, 2020, 02:19:14 PM
I mean, his name does sound like "armed robbery"If he was armed with a gun this would never have happened.
Post by: IATA on May 20, 2020, 03:10:28 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 20, 2020, 06:17:59 PM
Mj2fuckingretarded, please perform some mental gymnastics defending this tweet. Or at least what the lovely and courageous Katy Mceny says you should say.
If you could, please identify which law the secretary broke and what funding Donald is planning on withholding in Michigan.
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Oops.
https://law.justia.com/cases/michigan/court-of-appeals-unpublished/2008/20080626-c279966-42-279966-opn.html
Michigan courts have interpreted Michigan statute to hold that clerks or government officials can't mail out applications for absentee ballots without voter request.
Voters have been able to vote utilizing abtantee ballots since an amendment to their 2018 constitution which has nothing to do with process.
Why must you always show us what an absolute freaking clod you are.
Well he shoplifted several years ago, so he deserved it and the 2 guys were being attacked by this crazy thug and defended themselves against the rabid animal.
when you have to strawman opinions on people because you have nothing else.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 20, 2020, 07:23:38 PM
Oops.I'm no lawyer, so I'll defer to you, but in what reading I've seen, that ruling refers only to county clerks, specifically clerks sending applications to select groups of the population. I don't see that it says anything about this applying to the Secretary of State (or "all government officials") directing the applications to be sent, which is what I believe happened here.
https://law.justia.com/cases/michigan/court-of-appeals-unpublished/2008/20080626-c279966-42-279966-opn.html
Michigan courts have interpreted Michigan statute to hold that clerks or government officials can't mail out applications for absentee ballots without voter request.
Voters have been able to vote utilizing abtantee ballots since an amendment to their 2018 constitution which has nothing to do with process.
Why must you always show us what an absolute freaking clod you are.
when you have to strawman opinions on people because you have nothing else.
Post by: IATA on May 20, 2020, 08:31:46 PM
The administration also can't think of a good lie to cover for him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 21, 2020, 07:31:55 PM
Post by: insanity on May 21, 2020, 08:14:54 PM
"I tested very positively in another sense. I tested positively toward negative. I tested perfectly this morning, meaning I tested negative," President Trump says.I'm literally chuckling
Post by: IATA on May 21, 2020, 08:52:51 PM
Post by: reuben on May 21, 2020, 09:19:27 PM
"I tested very positively in another sense. I tested positively toward negative. I tested perfectly this morning, meaning I tested negative," President Trump says.
So pathologically narcissistic that he can't even relate test results properly.
Post by: insanity on May 22, 2020, 07:35:34 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NzDhm808oU4
Post by: Badger on May 22, 2020, 02:09:37 PM
"I tested very positively in another sense. I tested positively toward negative. I tested perfectly this morning, meaning I tested negative," President Trump says.https://youtu.be/NYJ2w82WifU
Post by: IATA on May 22, 2020, 06:00:56 PM
“But, a few minutes later, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said whether religious houses open will be up to their leaders, as well as state and local officials. She could not cite any federal statute that would give any president the authority to legally override a state or local leader on such a matter. Ms McEnany, notably, is an attorney.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-us-churches-reopen-latest-today-coronavirus-a9529076.html
Man, the leadership!!
Post by: Johnny English on May 22, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 23, 2020, 12:46:19 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-study/
I don't have to open it, the study says, it does about jack excrement as a preventative measure to Covid. We all know Trump's a freaking jackass.
Post by: insanity on May 23, 2020, 01:17:34 PM
Post by: IATA on May 23, 2020, 03:00:17 PM
my goodness, what a genius
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 24, 2020, 07:27:06 AM
Hahahaha
Post by: Pope on May 24, 2020, 10:00:56 AM
Post by: IATA on May 24, 2020, 08:42:51 PM
Quote
President Trump ripped Columbia University as a “disgraceful institution” in a new interview released Sunday after it released a study last week concluding thousands of lives could have been spared in the U.S. if shutdowns weren’t delayed.
“Columbia is a liberal, disgraceful institution to write that because all the people that they cater to were months after me,” Trump said.
that ever disgraceful Columbia University.
lmao imagine supporting such a whiny little bitch president
Post by: Badger on May 24, 2020, 09:51:37 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 24, 2020, 09:58:47 PM
I don't see how anyone could argue that we wouldn't have been much better off if shutdown started earlier. You didn't even need a study to prove it, it's just obvious on its face.
stop going after Trump!
Post by: insanity on May 24, 2020, 10:32:44 PM
Post by: IATA on May 24, 2020, 10:38:16 PM
I don't see how anyone could argue that we wouldn't have been much better off if shutdown started earlier. You didn't even need a study to prove it, it's just obvious on its face.
buddy, theres still people out there arguing that the lockdown didnt do anything and we never should have at all
Post by: MBGreen on May 25, 2020, 07:08:20 AM
buddy, theres still people out there arguing that the lockdown didnt do anything and we never should have at all
There's plenty of those imbeciles north of the border too.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 25, 2020, 07:21:28 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 25, 2020, 07:51:42 AM
There are people everywhere just returning to normal, getting all in each other's faces, packing pools, etc. Poor hospital workers and old people.
They don't freaking get it.
There are healtcare folks risking their lives everyday, while these fucktards are swimming up to the poolside bar not giving a excrement. Unbelievable.
I'm happy i live in a society where we have freedoms. But this is a prime example of people being given a few inches and taking a mile. #MuhRights
Post by: insanity on May 25, 2020, 08:19:59 AM
They don't freaking get it.They want rights without accepting responsibilty
There are healtcare folks risking their lives everyday, while these fucktards are swimming up to the poolside bar not giving a excrement. Unbelievable.
I'm happy i live in a society where we have freedoms. But this is a prime example of people being given a few inches and taking a mile. #MuhRights
Post by: Pope on May 25, 2020, 08:24:02 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 25, 2020, 08:43:52 AM
I think that’s what happens when two weeks of quarantine becomes two months. People are sick of staring at their walls, not sure why people are shocked to see people at beaches on Memorial Day weekend.
Part of the problem is that the insano "YOU MUST NOT STEP FOOT OUTSIDE THE HOUSE OR EVERYONE WILL DIE AND YOU'RE LITERALLY KILLING PEOPLE AND IF YOU COME WITHIN TEN FEET OF ME AT THE GROCERY STORE IT'S BASICALLY RAPE" crowd have become such an irritant that reasonable people are starting to say "freak this, I'll make up my own mind".
We had a really nice weekend so lots of kids went to a big park downtown and sat in the sun getting drunk. No one is getting the zombie flu from it and it looks like most people there were pretty sensible with keeping their distance, but the overreaction in the press and on social media has been batshit. I realise these lunatics think that screaming ever louder will eventually get the message through but they're too stupid to realise that they're just become noise to be ignored.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 25, 2020, 08:44:05 AM
I think that’s what happens when two weeks of quarantine becomes two months. People are sick of staring at their walls, not sure why people are shocked to see people at beaches on Memorial Day weekend.People aren't surprised to see people at the beaches. I am disappointed, but not surprised, that after all this, people can't spread out, avoid crowded places, wear masks when needed, etc. People should be grateful to get back some of the things they've been missing for the past few months and not freak it all up by being stupid assholes. The bad part is there's no real consequences for the idiots, just everyone.
People should be able to get outside, enjoy things, have a few beers, whatever. But you don't have to face freak someone in a pool with 1000 other people to have fun. Its great that people are getting out. Nothing wrong with going to the beach or even the pool. Just keep a reasonable distance.
Post by: Pope on May 25, 2020, 08:50:47 AM
People aren't surprised to see people at the beaches. I am disappointed, but not surprised, that after all this, people can't spread out, avoid crowded places, wear masks when needed, etc. People should be grateful to get back some of the things they've been missing for the past few months and not freak it all up by being stupid assholes. The bad part is there's no real consequences for the idiots, just everyone.That’s true as well. I guess in a way it becomes mob mentality where the crowd takes on the intelligence of its biggest idiots
People should be able to get outside, enjoy things, have a few beers, whatever. But you don't have to face freak someone in a pool with 1000 other people to have fun. Its great that people are getting out. Nothing wrong with going to the beach or even the pool. Just keep a reasonable distance.
Post by: IATA on May 25, 2020, 11:26:54 AM
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1264374557860716544
Trump responded with:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1264912066672046081
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1264912071898128384
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1264912072892125190
He's accusing Obama of golfing the day after Daniel Pearl was murdered....in 2002...
Post by: mj2sexay on May 25, 2020, 12:32:39 PM
I'm no lawyer, so I'll defer to you, but in what reading I've seen, that ruling refers only to county clerks, specifically clerks sending applications to select groups of the population. I don't see that it says anything about this applying to the Secretary of State (or "all government officials") directing the applications to be sent, which is what I believe happened here.
Respectfully, the idea that the ruling isn't analogous to government officials and limited to clerks is an incredibly narrow and strict interpretational reading. Go down that path if you want, and this is without saying I agree or disagree, just similarly narrow interpretations of laws and statutes kick the idea of penumbral rights right out of the box.
In before someone here tries telling me voter fraud isn't a serious issue especially regarding mail-in ballots because The Atlantic or Independent said so. Numerous instances in which voter fraud has been perpetuated even using in-person voting would beg to differ.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1263518696309313537
my goodness, what a genius
Anyway, considering that there's a segment of this place that is gaslit to excrement from the likes of Wapo and the New York Times and this has largely become footballs version of r/politics where we're now actually sharing retweets from Lawrence O'Donnell's producer (lmao, what's next you freaking estrogen filled retard, The View), back to your usual "LOLOLOL DRUMPF" circle jerk. Remember guys, black people who vote Trump aren't black so sayeth the old piece of excrement white man who did more to ensure our mass incarceration issue would largely be made up of young black men than anyone else in America.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 25, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
They don't freaking get it.
There are healtcare folks risking their lives everyday, while these fucktards are swimming up to the poolside bar not giving a excrement. Unbelievable.
I'm happy i live in a society where we have freedoms. But this is a prime example of people being given a few inches and taking a mile. #MuhRights
First responders "healthcare workers" have become self entitled assholes and freak them. They think they're entitled to excrement and they act like it. They freaking signed up for excrement like this, if I went to school specifically for that you bet your freaking derriere I would be doing what they are doing. I already put my derriere in danger from the virus every freaking day and I don't walk around like the world needs to blow me every second of the day.
Would those assholes let me in the emergency room first if I got hurt or sick? Nope, so eat a giant bag of dicks...........
Post by: IATA on May 25, 2020, 12:47:34 PM
Anyway, considering that there's a segment of this place that is gaslit to excrement from the likes of Wapo and the New York Times and this has largely become footballs version of r/politics where we're now actually sharing retweets from Lawrence O'Donnell's producer (lmao, what's next you freaking estrogen filled retard, The View), back to your usual "LOLOLOL DRUMPF" circle jerk. Remember guys, black people who vote Trump aren't black so sayeth the old piece of excrement white man who did more to ensure our mass incarceration issue would largely be made up of young black men than anyone else in America.
why dont you actually address what the video in the tweet showed instead of going off on some unrelated tangent?
how trumpian of you.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 25, 2020, 12:50:22 PM
why dont you actually address what the video in the tweet showed instead of going off on some unrelated tangent?
how trumpian of you.
yes how "Trumpian of me" like if I shared something from anyone or anything connected to Fox News it wouldn't summarily be excrement on, no matter the content.
Who the freak are you kidding.
As for the video, you're either just completely humorless or so devoid of rational or logical thinking that you can't see he's clearly joking. Like how could you watch that and think he's not freaking around?
Post by: mj2sexay on May 25, 2020, 12:53:13 PM
First responders "healthcare workers" have become self enttitled assholes and freak them. They think they're entitled to excrement and they act like it. They freaking signed up for excrement like this, if I went to school specifically for that you bet your freaking derriere I would be doing what they are doing. I already put my derriere in danger for the virus every freaking day and would those assholes let me in the emergency room first if I got hurt or sick? Nope, so eat a giant bag of dicks...........
I think we'd both agree that the grand majority of healthcare workers genuinely just want to do good on this earth and want to see people through this in a healthy manner. So they shouldn't all be saddled with the same brush as some of these absolutely narcissistic cunts we're seeing on TicToc (which may as well signify the death of civilization in my view) and other forms of social media.
Post by: IATA on May 25, 2020, 01:10:23 PM
yes how "Trumpian of me" like if I shared something from anyone or anything connected to Fox News it wouldn't summarily be excrement on, no matter the content.
Who the freak are you kidding.
As for the video, you're either just completely humorless or so devoid of rational or logical thinking that you can't see he's clearly joking. Like how could you watch that and think he's not freaking around?
He's clearly joking? Are you freaking serious lmao
You're so sad, I'm so sorry for you.
Post by: reuben on May 25, 2020, 01:12:13 PM
First responders "healthcare workers" have become self entitled assholes and freak them. They think they're entitled to excrement and they act like it. They freaking signed up for excrement like this, if I went to school specifically for that you bet your freaking derriere I would be doing what they are doing. I already put my derriere in danger from the virus every freaking day and I don't walk around like the world needs to blow me every second of the day.
Would those assholes let me in the emergency room first if I got hurt or sick? Nope, so eat a giant bag of dicks...........
Hey Puck, I think you're great. But you should light this post on fire and then go freak yourself with it.
Post by: IATA on May 25, 2020, 01:12:29 PM
yes how "Trumpian of me" like if I shared something from anyone or anything connected to Fox News it wouldn't summarily be excrement on, no matter the content.How on God's green earth can you call that joking around? He's stumbling over his own words and isn't making any sense.
Who the freak are you kidding.
As for the video, you're either just completely humorless or so devoid of rational or logical thinking that you can't see he's clearly joking. Like how could you watch that and think he's not freaking around?
The joke is you calling it a joke. You're a joke.
You must be the worst freaking lawyer on earth, honestly. "No no your honor, he was only joking when he said he was going to stab this woman 50 times in the chest. Her later getting stabbed 50 times in the chest was a total coincidence"
Post by: mj2sexay on May 25, 2020, 01:29:08 PM
How on God's green earth can you call that joking around? He's stumbling over his own words and isn't making any sense.
The joke is you calling it a joke. You're a joke.
You must be the worst freaking lawyer on earth, honestly. "No no your honor, he was only joking when he said he was going to stab this woman 50 times in the chest. Her later getting stabbed 50 times in the chest was a total coincidence"
...The guy is literally chuckling and laughing as he's going through this little routine you absolute delusional freaking mess of a moron. Which is it, are you freaking stupid or humorless? Even the stupid little comparison at the end makes zero freaking sense but then again its the ramblings of someone thats content to top out in life at salting his neighbors lawn. Continue to get your sound bites and clips from the likes of MSNBC and parrot their stupidity like the worthless amoeba that you are.
I don't know what it is you do for a living, but I do know you've procreated, so I guess I'll just have to weep for the future.
Post by: IATA on May 25, 2020, 01:33:44 PM
...The guy is literally chuckling and laughing as he's going through this little routine you absolute delusional freaking mess of a moron. Which is it, are you freaking stupid or humorless? Even the stupid little comparison at the end makes zero freaking sense but then again its the ramblings of someone thats content to top out in life at salting his neighbors lawn.
I don't know what it is you do for a living, but I do know you've procreated, so I guess I'll just have to weep for the future.
Are we watching the same freaking video? When did he chuckle? He never freaking chuckles in this video, he stumbles over his words
"I tested very positively towards negative, no I uhhh tested perfectly this morning ..meaning I tested negative"
Please provide a time stamp for all these chuckles and obvious jokes
Post by: mj2sexay on May 25, 2020, 01:35:05 PM
Are we watching the same freaking video? When did he chuckle? He never freaking chuckles in this video, he stumbles over his words
"I tested very positively towards negative, no I uhhh tested perfectly this morning ..meaning I tested negative"
Please provide a time stamp for all these chuckles and obvious jokes
HE'S LITERALLY LAUGHING AS HE SAYS IT, ARE YOU freaking BLIND?!
Guy is clearly operating in jest with a excrement-eating grin and a half-hearted attempt at levity and there's sure to be some absolute freaking leftist blue-check lady garden ready to pounce like he's being serious. How utterly embarrassing.
Post by: IATA on May 25, 2020, 01:48:50 PM
HE'S LITERALLY LAUGHING AS HE SAYS IT, ARE YOU freaking BLIND?!
Guy is clearly operating in jest with a excrement-eating grin and a half-hearted attempt at levity and there's sure to be some absolute freaking leftist blue-check lady garden ready to pounce like he's being serious. How utterly embarrassing.
How in the freak is that a laugh?!?!? He's struggling to find words to say that make sense Holy excrement!!
I'm assuming you are googling "dumbest freaking take possible" before replying, this takes the cake.
You're finally right about something here, this is utterly embarrassing.
Post by: IATA on May 25, 2020, 01:50:06 PM
Post by: Johnny English on May 25, 2020, 02:18:31 PM
TicToc (which may as well signify the death of civilization in my view)
That's Twitter, by far the most vicious, unhealthy and unpleasant of all of the platforms, although I did see TikTok described today as "an epicenter for self-involved unremarkable white people" which seemed pretty much spot on. Although in fairness some of the non-white people on there seem fairly self-involved and unremarkable as well.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 25, 2020, 06:08:22 PM
Trump campaigning on Joe Biden being racist is next level stuff
Post by: Miamipuck on May 25, 2020, 07:21:56 PM
Hey Puck, I think you're great. But you should light this post on fire and then go freak yourself with it.Deal with them on a daily basis when those self entitled assholes cause a stir because they have to wait on a line, heavens to Betsy the horror ...... Until that time, let my post tickle your poopchute.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 25, 2020, 07:23:11 PM
I think we'd both agree that the grand majority of healthcare workers genuinely just want to do good on this earth and want to see people through this in a healthy manner. So they shouldn't all be saddled with the same brush as some of these absolutely narcissistic cunts we're seeing on TicToc (which may as well signify the death of civilization in my view) and other forms of social media.
Nope not all of them but certainly enough to make me post what I posted.
Btw I will never ever have a Twitter account. I have never been to tic toc.
Most of my exposure to Twitter is from SFD. That's more than enough for me.
Edit: Got rid of the gibberish from autocorrect
Post by: Pope on May 25, 2020, 08:29:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 25, 2020, 09:07:46 PM
Nope not all of them but certainly enough to make me post what I posted.
Btw I will never serve gave a Twitter account. I have never been to tic toc.
Most of my exposure to Twitter is from SFD. That's more than enough for me.
About half of what I post from twitter I consider decent content, the other half I post falls into the category of “if I saw it, now you have to see it too”
Post by: insanity on May 26, 2020, 06:11:00 AM
I agree with Puck. There are so many people on the front lines of this thing but every freaking day we have to see this constant praise for health care workers. Anyone else is basically a nobodyYou make it sound like healthcare workers are demanding we celebrate them.
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2020, 06:46:24 AM
Post by: Pope on May 26, 2020, 07:11:09 AM
You make it sound like healthcare workers are demanding we celebrate them.Yes, nurses and teachers are incapable of not jerking themselves off on social media
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2020, 07:50:51 AM
https://twitter.com/teamtrump/status/1264369994306998276?s=21If only there was some way this could have been avoided
Trump campaigning on Joe Biden being racist is next level stuff
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2020, 08:07:19 AM
Part of the problem is that the insano "YOU MUST NOT STEP FOOT OUTSIDE THE HOUSE OR EVERYONE WILL DIE AND YOU'RE LITERALLY KILLING PEOPLE AND IF YOU COME WITHIN TEN FEET OF ME AT THE GROCERY STORE IT'S BASICALLY RAPE" crowd have become such an irritant that reasonable people are starting to say "freak this, I'll make up my own mind".(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200526/884f4ef527811959fe0ca9fde54dd91f.jpg)
We had a really nice weekend so lots of kids went to a big park downtown and sat in the sun getting drunk. No one is getting the zombie flu from it and it looks like most people there were pretty sensible with keeping their distance, but the overreaction in the press and on social media has been batshit. I realise these lunatics think that screaming ever louder will eventually get the message through but they're too stupid to realise that they're just become noise to be ignored.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 26, 2020, 08:40:46 AM
I am tired of it. I have personally been threatened numerous times. If you think it's because I called them faggots or any of the excrement I pull here you're totally wrong. It's Dr, nurses police, emt's, therapists, x-ray people. I hope every one of them that acted like a horses poopchute gets aids as well as the people defending their behavior.
So yeah again freak first responders and health care workers, they're not doing anything I didnt and I don't walk around threatening people if horror among horror I had to wait on a ten minute line.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 26, 2020, 08:46:11 AM
when you're threatened, yes threatened oh I don't know at least 6 or 7 times because they had to wait five or ten minutes, or the more common general derision and nastiness and attitude double freak you.Is it because the male nurses wouldn't let you blow them?
I am tired of it. I have personally been threatened numerous times. If you think it's because I called them faggots or any of the excrement I pull here you're totally wrong. It's Dr, nurses police, emt's, therapists, x-ray people. I hope every one of them that acted like a horses poopchute gets aids as well as the people defending their behavior.
So yeah again freak first responders and health care workers, they're not doing anything I didnt and I don't walk around threatening people if horror among horror I had to wait on a ten minute line.
Post by: Miamipuck on May 26, 2020, 08:57:28 AM
Is it because the male nurses wouldn't let you blow them?
Sorry Bo I didn't get rooster shots so no pics and stop pm'ing me for them. Stick to gay porn.
Post by: MBGreen on May 26, 2020, 10:10:54 AM
when you're threatened, yes threatened oh I don't know at least 6 or 7 times because they had to wait five or ten minutes, or the more common general derision and nastiness and attitude double freak you.
I am tired of it. I have personally been threatened numerous times. If you think it's because I called them faggots or any of the excrement I pull here you're totally wrong. It's Dr, nurses police, emt's, therapists, x-ray people. I hope every one of them that acted like a horses poopchute gets aids as well as the people defending their behavior.
So yeah again freak first responders and health care workers, they're not doing anything I didnt and I don't walk around threatening people if horror among horror I had to wait on a ten minute line.
Health care service is much more pleasant up here.
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2020, 10:53:20 AM
when you're threatened, yes threatened oh I don't know at least 6 or 7 times because they had to wait five or ten minutes, or the more common general derision and nastiness and attitude double freak you.I had someone thank me for my service over the phone the other day, it was nice.
I am tired of it. I have personally been threatened numerous times. If you think it's because I called them faggots or any of the excrement I pull here you're totally wrong. It's Dr, nurses police, emt's, therapists, x-ray people. I hope every one of them that acted like a horses poopchute gets aids as well as the people defending their behavior.
So yeah again freak first responders and health care workers, they're not doing anything I didnt and I don't walk around threatening people if horror among horror I had to wait on a ten minute line.
Post by: Jumbo on May 26, 2020, 01:34:54 PM
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s1ztxayqxhhwtbyqww1v.jpg)
the amount of labeling in these comics hurts me deeply inside
Post by: reuben on May 26, 2020, 01:54:20 PM
the amount of labeling in these comics hurts me deeply inside
It's the Kelly cartoon from the The Onion. They're my favorite part of the site.
(https://i.imgur.com/BmmDbgB.jpg)
(https://i.redd.it/f1swsb7a2er31.jpg)
(https://i.redd.it/ij653wa8ijr41.jpg)
If you find your opinion unironically summed up by an over-the-top satire cartoonist, you should maybe reconsider your opinion.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2020, 03:14:15 PM
Based Trump is on fire
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2020, 04:34:20 PM
"...he sent out, or will send out...millions of millions of ballots to anybody in California that's walking or breathing -- many of those people don't have the right to vote. Well, they'll be voting."
hE's JoKiNg
Post by: IATA on May 26, 2020, 05:37:30 PM
jokes dudes, hes just a master troll
Post by: bojanglesman on May 26, 2020, 06:43:22 PM
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“I don’t use insulin, should I be? Huh?” Trump asked. “I never thought about it, but I know a lot of people are very, very badly affected, right? Unbelievable.”
Asked why he would take insulin, Trump had surgeon general Jerome Adams answer, as he explained to Trump that, “Your body actually makes insulin.”
“You know, if you don’t take insulin, I just wrote this down, go blind, stroke, amputation, kidney failure, and other things,” Trump said.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200526/f8c7b69d10bccbf33c5d06cad089aee7.gif)
Post by: MBGreen on May 26, 2020, 06:46:18 PM
Post by: Badger on May 26, 2020, 06:50:51 PM
Post by: IATA on May 26, 2020, 07:05:31 PM
Because we live in the dumbest timeline those comments will probably cause the price of insulin to go up 15%.I wonder which congressman mentioned insulin to him and how much stock in these companies do they own
Post by: Pope on May 26, 2020, 11:29:27 PM
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2020, 05:25:50 AM
Imagine being Trump and being BTFO by people on message boards all day every day it must ruin himStill plodding away with this shtick huh
Post by: insanity on May 27, 2020, 06:56:18 AM
(https://pics.me.me/boys-i-have-a-raging-clue-rightinow-memecrunch-com-36266772.png)
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 27, 2020, 10:52:16 AM
Post by: IATA on May 27, 2020, 01:42:13 PM
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For a week, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany has defended President Donald Trump’s assault on vote-by-mail, insisting, like her boss, that it invites election fraud.
But, also like her boss, McEnany has taken advantage of its convenience time and time again.
In fact, the Tampa native has voted by mail in every Florida election she has participated in since 2010, according to a Tampa Bay Times review of her voting history. Most recently, she voted by mail in the state’s March 2020 presidential primary, just as Trump did after he made Florida his new permanent home.
*Gasp*
Post by: bojanglesman on May 27, 2020, 02:16:18 PM
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2020/05/27/trump-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-has-voted-by-mail-11-times-in-10-years/"Trump announces new blonde as press secretary"
*Gasp*
Post by: Heismanberg on May 28, 2020, 09:05:56 AM
Get the freak outta here
Post by: Johnny English on May 28, 2020, 09:21:01 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/us/politics/trump-executive-order-social-media.html
Get the freak outta here
I feel like this has the potential to backfire on him, given he's one of the biggest peddlers of bullshit on there. If he's going to remove protection from liability for false claims then they're going to be more inclined to censor him, not less:
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The Trump administration is preparing an executive order intended to curtail the legal protections that shield social media companies from liability for what gets posted on their platforms, two senior administration officials said early Thursday.
Also, FAANG has a combined market cap greater than the GDP all bar three countries, and while Twitter isn't part of the club I doubt they'll stand by and watch the administration attempt to enact legislation that hurts them.
Post by: IATA on May 28, 2020, 10:16:41 AM
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 01:40:12 PM
Badger Post fact check: I award this claim 28736495 Pinocchios, gates cannot possibly resemble starchy root vegetables
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2020, 01:41:34 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/us/politics/trump-executive-order-social-media.htmlHe should sign an executive order that protects my right to tell people on Twitter to stop living.
Get the freak outta here
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 29, 2020, 08:29:28 AM
This should de-escalate things. Thanks
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 08:41:51 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1266231100172615680?s=21
This should de-escalate things. Thanks
For freak sakes.
How do you keep defending this maroon, MJ?
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:22:08 AM
For freak sakes.
How do you keep defending this maroon, MJ?
Because i'm not stupid enough to conflate protestors with out and out looters.
Post by: MBGreen on May 29, 2020, 10:30:55 AM
Because i'm not stupid enough to conflate protestors with out and out looters.
I don't agree with the looting either. But Trump threatening to send in troops to start shooting is another level of bullshit i thought i'd never see in my lifetime.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:40:09 AM
I don't agree with the looting either. But Trump threatening to send in troops to start shooting is another level of bullshit i thought i'd never see in my lifetime.
We don't need this city, let the lover of the older lady burn!
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
Because i'm not stupid enough to conflate protestors with out and out looters.But that's completely the intention of loudly condemning the looters, to delegitimize the protests.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 29, 2020, 10:45:42 AM
But that's completely the intention of loudly condemning the looters, to delegitimize the protests.
If he wanted to delegitimize the protests, he wouldn't have done this 36 hours in. His own statement condemns George Floyd's murder.
Post by: insanity on May 29, 2020, 11:06:19 AM
If he wanted to delegitimize the protests, he wouldn't have done this 36 hours in. His own statement condemns George Floyd's murder.Actions (and threats on US citizens), speak louder than words.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 30, 2020, 06:43:59 PM
https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/1266847115613032449?s=21
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2020, 09:28:48 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 31, 2020, 09:46:48 AM
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 11:55:13 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267129644228247552?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 11:55:49 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 11:56:36 AM
lol @ the constitution
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267129644228247552?s=19
Stop, I can only get so erect.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 11:58:26 AM
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 12:02:58 PM
Stop, I can only get so erect.Rights shredder goes brrrr
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 12:10:05 PM
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 12:16:51 PM
Post by: MBGreen on May 31, 2020, 12:21:04 PM
If you don't know about the J20 trials you should read up on them and realize this is entirely about criminalizing protest and giving the government more ability to arbitrarily declare who is a terrorist. This has the potential to be one of the worst things Trump has ever done.
better buy a sword...just in case.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 12:21:07 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 12:31:47 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 31, 2020, 01:02:18 PM
If you don't know about the J20 trials you should read up on them and realize this is entirely about criminalizing protest and giving the government more ability to arbitrarily declare who is a terrorist. This has the potential to be one of the worst things Trump has ever done.
Yeah, so arbitrary.
Post by: Johnny English on May 31, 2020, 01:14:22 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 31, 2020, 01:34:10 PM
Given there's no such organisation as Antifa, nor for that matter the black bloc, I'm not entirely sure who or what he thinks he's designating as terrorists.
one thing i'm trying to figure out is how everybody is so sure that the non-blacks participating in the riots are automatically assumed to be antifa. 'we know how they dress!' there is a lot of irony in statements like that
it's wild how in the blink of an eye the narrative of the events occurring was changed from a racial focus to another 'left vs right' debate
Post by: bojanglesman on May 31, 2020, 01:40:04 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
one thing i'm trying to figure out is how everybody is so sure that the non-blacks participating in the riots are automatically assumed to be antifa. 'we know how they dress!' there is a lot of irony in statements like that
it's wild how in the blink of an eye the narrative of the events occurring was changed from a racial focus to another 'left vs right' debate
Everything in the US inevitably turns into a left vs right debate. Look at COVID-19, any discussion involving science was immediately picked apart along partisan lines by both the Democrats and Republicans.
As for the violent aspects of the protests and the straight up riots, it’s never going to be a single source actor. Some people are pissed off enough to start excrement and some people are out there to start excrement because they are sick enough to think it’s fun. Those are just two types of the personalities acting violently and they’re on both sides, protestors and cops...or “infiltrating” both sides depending on which rhetoric you want to use.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 03:55:39 PM
one thing i'm trying to figure out is how everybody is so sure that the non-blacks participating in the riots are automatically assumed to be antifa. 'we know how they dress!' there is a lot of irony in statements like that
it's wild how in the blink of an eye the narrative of the events occurring was changed from a racial focus to another 'left vs right' debate
Who cares what you call them, white Dudes with concealed identities showing up to pro-black protests with the sole intent of smashing excrement, provoking police, and trying to turn the protest violent in general should all get terrorism charges. Whether they eventually get labeled white supremacists or Antifa doesn’t matter to me
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 04:17:16 PM
Who cares what you call them, white Dudes with concealed identities showing up to pro-black protests with the sole intent of smashing excrement, provoking police, and trying to turn the protest violent in general should all get terrorism charges. Whether they eventually get labeled white supremacists or Antifa doesn’t matter to me
Agreed.
Post by: delavan on May 31, 2020, 05:32:47 PM
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Given there's no such organisation as Antifa, nor for that matter the black bloc, I'm not entirely sure who or what he thinks he's designating as terrorists.
Whomever or whatever, I doubt Trump will be able to legally stick the terrorist tag on 'them'
https://www.antifa.com
Post by: IATA on May 31, 2020, 06:21:49 PM
Welcome to the future.
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 07:00:20 PM
Given there's no such organisation as Antifa, nor for that matter the black bloc, I'm not entirely sure who or what he thinks he's designating as terrorists.That's the point. It's nebulous. Can be applied to anyone.
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 07:01:02 PM
Who cares what you call them, white Dudes with concealed identities showing up to pro-black protests with the sole intent of smashing excrement, provoking police, and trying to turn the protest violent in general should all get terrorism charges. Whether they eventually get labeled white supremacists or Antifa doesn’t matter to me
Agreed.Go back and reread til you get the point.
Post by: Badger on May 31, 2020, 07:06:29 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 07:10:04 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 31, 2020, 07:25:23 PM
Trump going for Antifa’s jugular
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 31, 2020, 07:30:46 PM
Go back and reread til you get the point.
The lack of an organized version of Antifa allowing the government to place a broad definition to it and therefore attack and persecute anyone in their wake?
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 12:14:37 AM
The lack of an organized version of Antifa allowing the government to place a broad definition to it and therefore attack and persecute anyone in their wake?Yes. Which is why "oh whatever they get labeled it doesn't matter" is not it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 12:31:52 AM
Yes. Which is why "oh whatever they get labeled it doesn't matter" is not it.
Fair point.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 06:15:48 AM
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federal law enforcement is using our existing network of 56 regional FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces” to “identify criminal organizers and instigators.”
I don’t see the problem with this. If these riots are actually being organized by an organized force/network, no reason not to use the federal resource that would normally look into this to solve the problem. One of the responsibilities of the FBI is terrorism. If there is no Antifa like it’s been said then there’s nothing to charge people with. You can’t charge someone with following the Antifa twitter account and prove that they’re terrorists in a court of law.
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The State Department can designate foreign organizations as terrorist organizations, but there is no law governing domestic organizations. At the moment, it is unclear what President Trump's tweet refers to in concrete legal steps. The Patriot Act defines domestic terrorism, but there are no federal crimes tied to domestic terror.
If this is true and there are no federal crimes ties to domestic terrorism, this seems more like a messaging/political strategy from Trump to frame the narrative of these riots. As I’m sure many of us expected. It sounds like this also allows the FBI to look into Antifa and see if there’s anything material there. I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with that especially since we’re claiming they’re not real or whatever all of a sudden.
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 06:37:46 AM
I don’t see the problem with this. If these riots are actually being organized by an organized force/network, no reason not to use the federal resource that would normally look into this to solve the problem. One of the responsibilities of the FBI is terrorism. If there is no Antifa like it’s been said then there’s nothing to charge people with. You can’t charge someone with following the Antifa twitter account and prove that they’re terrorists in a court of law.
Almost everything you've assumed has not held up, historically speaking.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 06:47:40 AM
Almost everything you've assumed has not held up, historically speaking.
Why’d you skip over the second part of my post? What exactly is the outcome you’re so worried about because I’m not getting it
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 08:18:41 AM
Why’d you skip over the second part of my post? What exactly is the outcome you’re so worried about because I’m not getting itWhy did you not look up the J20 protest trials?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 08:23:57 AM
Why did you not look up the J20 protest trials?
I forgot to do that, my b.
I googled, and this was the first thing I found:
“ THE LAST REMAINING defendants in the J20 trials, who faced a raft of charges related to a mass arrest on Inauguration Day, can breathe a sigh of relief. Last week, federal prosecutors decided to drop all remaining felony charges against the protesters, who faced decades in prison for rioting and conspiring to do the same.
...
The prosecutors’ novel theory of collective liability — that mere presence at a demonstration in which property damage occurred constituted a planned criminal offense — fell apart.“
Turns out I’m a law expert even when talking out of my derriere
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 09:10:31 AM
I forgot to do that, my b.
I googled, and this was the first thing I found:
“ THE LAST REMAINING defendants in the J20 trials, who faced a raft of charges related to a mass arrest on Inauguration Day, can breathe a sigh of relief. Last week, federal prosecutors decided to drop all remaining felony charges against the protesters, who faced decades in prison for rioting and conspiring to do the same.
...
The prosecutors’ novel theory of collective liability — that mere presence at a demonstration in which property damage occurred constituted a planned criminal offense — fell apart.“
Turns out I’m a law expert even when talking out of my derriere
I think you'll find that Badger's point is that they picked up and charged all sorts of people post the J20 riots, including a lot of people who weren't even there that day. It was an excuse to round up a whole bunch of people whose ideologies they didn't like, which is somewhat ironic given the labeling used then as now was "antifa".
Seems to me there's a whole mess of things going on. Far left and far right both seem to be doing their bit to co-opt the legitimate protests, but my favourite is the anarchists. Contrary to popular belief anarchism does not equate to far left, anarcho-capitalists are far more closely aligned with libertarian views than anything left wing and it's funny to watch right wing commentators paint the left wing as big government tax grabbers and then in the same breath suggest that their militant wing is aligned with anarchists, whose primary value system is predicated upon the destruction of all systems of organised government and taxation. Anarchists are really problematic for commentators who are completely entrenched in left v right, and the idea of a group of violent radicals who hate them all and will happily co-opt whatever cause suits their aims breaks their brains.
Just because they're wearing the anarchy symbol and a black bandanna doesn't make them left wing. Just because they're carrying an assault rifle doesn't make them right wing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
Who cares what you call them, white Dudes with concealed identities showing up to pro-black protests with the sole intent of smashing excrement, provoking police, and trying to turn the protest violent in general should all get terrorism charges. Whether they eventually get labeled white supremacists, Antifa, or anarchists doesn’t matter to me
Edited to include Anarchists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 09:29:20 AM
Repost for those deliberately missing the point
Hopefully this guy is charged with terrorism
Edit: in case it isn’t obvious, this guy is breaking apart concrete/pavement to throw at cops and incite them to attack non violent protestors. This is a classic *insert whatever provacateur group label you like* tactic.
Again, white guys undermining peaceful protests knowing black people can be harmed, should be charged with terrorism. Imagine doing this excrement and thinking you’re helping or part of the solution.
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 09:46:12 AM
#BunkerBoy
Trending with: #BunkerDon, #BunkerTrump, #BunkerBoyTrump
hahahhaha
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:01:32 AM
Politics · Trending
#BunkerBoy
Trending with: #BunkerDon, #BunkerTrump, #BunkerBoyTrump
hahahhaha
"The liberal media wants you to think he's in the bunker, but wait until you see the full video!" - mj
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:19:32 AM
but obama lived in the same house with the bunker, this is obamas bunker and hes the real troublemaker here
Obama changed the passcode for the bunker and Trump couldn't even get inside
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 10:20:24 AM
"The liberal media wants you to think he's in the bunker, but wait until you see the full video!" - mj
Yawn.
A mob of angry leftists are outside his house setting excrement on fire, he should totally go out on the front lawn and greet them.
I'd have a lot more sympathy for the argument that he should've said something yesterday if we didn't have a media that would completely warp and misrepresent anyway. After all, "the very fine people" myth still exists.
Obama changed the passcode for the bunker and Trump couldn't even get inside
Now we all know if a Democrat changed the password it'd be the easiest excrement to break into. Podesta already proved that.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:22:53 AM
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:26:28 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:28:55 AM
the liberal fake news secret service forced brave trump underground because the people with facemasks were yelling at him from a hundred yards away behind a gigantic steel fence and a myriad of heavily armed security guards.
BUT THEY BURNED THE HISTORIC CHURCH!
What did Jesus do to deserve this?
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:30:08 AM
BUT THEY BURNED THE HISTORIC CHURCH!
What did Jesus do to deserve this?
omg wuts so funny about that? besides like, everything?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 10:30:19 AM
I'm sure it's not even his call to go into the bunker, but like clockwork, you show up to blame the media for how shitty Donald Trump is handling this.
It’s the Secret Service’s call
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:30:46 AM
It’s the Secret Service’s call
The Secret Service is in CNN's pocket
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 10:30:52 AM
the liberal fake news secret service forced brave trump underground because the people with facemasks were yelling at him from a hundred yards away behind a gigantic steel fence and a myriad of heavily armed security guards.
https://twitter.com/secretservice/status/1267139197124726791?s=21
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 10:32:35 AM
I'm sure it's not even his call to go into the bunker, but like clockwork, you show up to blame the media for how shitty Donald Trump is handling this.
Being accused of a logical fallacy by someone who literally just tried to assign racism as a motivation for my friend leaving her apartment at the worst possible time as the downstairs floor is getting freaking ransacked. Hahahahahaha.
Anyway, how should Trump have handled this? Before minute one of any riot, the DOJ and FBI were ready to federally investigate. Obama wasn't even that quick to send Holder down to Ferguson (maybe for good reason actually considering the collapsing of all the narratives behind it).
He tweeted. It was blatantly misrepresented from a logical end point of violence to 'He'S GoNnA TeLl tHe ArMy tO ShOoT cIvIlIaNs."
How about local leadership get off their freaking asses and do something about this. Everyones favorite governor despite being incompetent enough to kill a bunch of old people through his own actions and stupidity, is busy dropping the "YoU cAn rEpLaCe PrOpErTy" idiocy.
BUT THEY BURNED THE HISTORIC CHURCH!
What did Jesus do to deserve this?
What a demented mindset to laugh and mock a landmark (nevermind a place of worship) being burnt to the ground. SERIOUS unreconciled issues that I'm going to assume are born out of getting picked on like a lover of the older lady through high school.
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:33:03 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:34:42 AM
Being accused of a logical fallacy by someone who literally just tried to assign racism as a motivation for my friend leaving her apartment at the worst possible time as the downstairs floor is getting freaking ransacked. Hahahahahaha.
I literally asked why she was leaving her apartment. That's all. You are such a baby back bitch.
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:34:49 AM
Being accused of a logical fallacy by someone who literally just tried to assign racism as a motivation for my friend leaving her apartment at the worst possible time as the downstairs floor is getting freaking ransacked. Hahahahahaha.
Anyway, how should Trump have handled this? Before minute one of any riot, the DOJ and FBI were ready to federally investigate. Obama wasn't even that quick to send Holder down to Ferguson (maybe for good reason actually considering the collapsing of all the narratives behind it).
He tweeted. It was blatantly misrepresented from a logical end point of violence to 'He'S GoNnA TeLl tHe ArMy tO ShOoT cIvIlIaNs."
How about local leadership get off their freaking asses and do something about this. Everyones favorite governor despite being incompetent enough to kill a bunch of old people through his own actions and stupidity, is busy dropping the "YoU cAn rEpLaCe PrOpErTy" idiocy.
What a demented mindset to laugh and mock a landmark (nevermind a place of worship) being burnt to the ground. SERIOUS unreconciled issues that I'm going to assume are born out of getting picked on like a lover of the older lady through high school.
lmao youre so predictable with your replies. OBAMA. FALLACY. MEDIA. INSULT.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 10:36:48 AM
oh no stop, who is cutting onions in here. those poor brave souls
It’s always people that post like this that would literally pee their pants at the first sign of physical confrontation
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 10:37:10 AM
I literally asked why she was leaving her apartment. That's all. You are such a baby back bitch.
No, you were busy immediately assigning the motivation as why she left as racism. Maybe retain and comprehend what you type onto a message board.
I don't know what happened to where people have such a fundamental lack of...whatever morality, intelligence, respect, whatever you want to call it that St. John's cathedral being burnt is a cause for laughter. I'm as lapsed a catholic as you can get, this isn't about religion.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:37:28 AM
What a demented mindset to laugh and mock a landmark (nevermind a place of worship) being burnt to the ground. SERIOUS unreconciled issues that I'm going to assume are born out of getting picked on like a lover of the older lady through high school.
I hope the looters teabagged the holy water before they lit it on fire.
Maybe your tears will put out the flames.
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:38:55 AM
It’s always people that post like this that would literally pee their pants at the first sign of physical confrontation
oh no, youve unraveled the mystery. what ever will i do, please dont physically confront me. oh no.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:39:31 AM
No, you were busy immediately assigning the motivation as why she left as racism.
Go back into the thread. I asked why she left. That's all.
But since we're here again: if she's your friend's sister, it's fairly safe to assume that she is racist.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
I hope the looters teabagged the holy water before they lit it on fire.
Maybe your tears will put out the flames.
You can't burn water you freaking imbecile.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 10:40:25 AM
Go back into the thread. I asked why she left. That's all.
But since we're here again: if she's your friend's sister, it's fairly safe to assume that she is racist.
Lmao the thread is right there. The first thing you said is "black people are scary."
So we know now not only are you a raging douchebag, you can't even retain the bullshit you write some half hour previous.
PM me again about my "final warning" if I call you a queynte after continually being goaded, you fat freaking cunty slob.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:40:48 AM
You can't burn water you freaking imbecile.
But your precious white, historic landmarks are on fire, racist.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
The first thing you said is "black people are scary."
I didn't say that, jackass
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
No, you were busy immediately assigning the motivation as why she left as racism. Maybe retain and comprehend what you type onto a message board.
I don't know what happened to where people have such a fundamental lack of...whatever morality, intelligence, respect, whatever you want to call it that St. John's cathedral being burnt is a cause for laughter. I'm as lapsed a catholic as you can get, this isn't about religion.
i couldnt care less about a church burning. whats god done for me? whats god done for you? whats god done to help anyone? did god save george? or was his murder all apart of the plan? maybe george and all those kids who died of horrible diseases and the innocent children who were molested and raped in churches and killed themselves can team up with all those innocent rape victims who got murdered by guys who found jesus and all was forgiven for them to finally show us whats gods plan really is?
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:42:40 AM
I didn't say that, jackass
lmao i said that
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:43:46 AM
PM me again about my "final warning" if I call you a queynte after continually being goaded, you fat freaking cunty slob.
Why is it that fat slobs themselves always want to deflect that insult towards other people?
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:43:58 AM
lmao i said that
And it's true, but still
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 10:44:39 AM
So we know now not only are you a raging douchebag, you can't even retain the bullshit you write some half hour previous.
Hilariously stupid and ironic
STFU
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 10:45:23 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 10:48:23 AM
But your precious white, historic landmarks are on fire, racist.
We've gone from thinking confederate monuments should be torn down (debatable but worth the conversation) to laughing and categorizing churches as "white historic landmarks."
Again, what happened to you in life that caused you to be such a freaking brainlet.
Why is it that fat slobs themselves always want to deflect that insult towards other people?
I've never hid my physique, but based on you annoyingly popping up in my "people i might know" on social media, I'm pretty sure you have me by about fifty freaking pounds.
i couldnt care less about a church burning. whats god done for me? whats god done for you? whats god done to help anyone? did god save george? or was his murder all apart of the plan? maybe george and all those kids who died of horrible diseases and the innocent children who were molested and raped in churches and killed themselves can team up with all those innocent rape victims who got murdered by guys who found jesus and all was forgiven for them to finally show us whats gods plan really is?
"I couldn't care less. Me."
I'm not a fan of organized religion either. What doesn't matter to me, means a great deal to others.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 11:03:35 AM
I've never hid my physique, but based on you annoyingly popping up in my "people i might know" on social media, I'm pretty sure you have me by about fifty freaking pounds.
Pretty sure you don't know who I am or you are getting me confused with someone else
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
We've gone from thinking confederate monuments should be torn down (debatable but worth the conversation) to laughing and categorizing churches as "white historic landmarks."
It's really not debatable when it comes to confederate monuments. They shouldn't exist outside of museums.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 11:06:03 AM
It's really not debatable when it comes to confederate monuments. They shouldn't exist.
FTFY. Just honoring traitors who thought it was their right to own people.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 11:26:54 AM
BUT THEY BURNED THE HISTORIC CHURCH!
What did Jesus do to deserve this?
Maybe Jesus should have used a gun.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 11:47:04 AM
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JUST IN: President Trump unloads on the nation's governors on a call, calls on them to step up enforcement: "You have to dominate, if you don’t dominate you’re wasting your time. They’re going to run over you, you’re going to look like a bunch of jerks. You have to dominate."
Lmaooo
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 11:57:59 AM
Lmaooo
...from his bunker.
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
https://twitter.com/s_allahverdi/status/1267240521052946432?s=21
Repost for those deliberately missing the point
Hopefully this guy is charged with terrorism
Edit: in case it isn’t obvious, this guy is breaking apart concrete/pavement to throw at cops and incite them to attack non violent protestors. This is a classic *insert whatever provacateur group label you like* tactic.
Again, white guys undermining peaceful protests knowing black people can be harmed, should be charged with terrorism. Imagine doing this excrement and thinking you’re helping or part of the solution.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/9f4159df15de623211aba0415bcec828.jpg)
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 12:20:46 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 12:31:48 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200601/9f4159df15de623211aba0415bcec828.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/92/70/5c9270aaf3ddde27fa27f4ba5350a324.png)
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
FTFY. Just honoring traitors who thought it was their right to own people.
Yes. That is EXACTLY what Robert E. Lee thought or what an objective look at his legacy should reveal.
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 12:33:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 12:35:44 PM
Imagine doing this excrement and thinking you’re helping or part of the solution.
I'm sure that many doing things like this think they are part of some form of solution, just not the one that the protests started out looking for. If you believe that the collapse of Western society so that it can be rebuilt in whatever image you think appropriate is the right solution (note the specific and deliberate lack of any mention of left or right here, for reasons previously discussed), then the motivation seems pretty clear.
Also, some people just love a ruck and don't really believe in anything.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 12:37:18 PM
I'm sure that many doing things like this think they are part of some form of solution, just not the one that the protests started out looking for. If you believe that the collapse of Western society so that it can be rebuilt in whatever image you think appropriate is the right solution (note the specific and deliberate lack of any mention of left or right here, for reasons previously discussed), then the motivation seems pretty clear.
Also, some people just love a ruck and don't really believe in anything.
I have no problem in saying that if you believe that and are acting on it, in this form and fashion, you should be treated as an enemy combatant.
freak yes here we go, hes here to defend robert e lee and the confederates now
Jesus Christ, are you incapable of doing anything but dealing in absolutism?
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 12:38:47 PM
A mob of angry leftists are outside his house setting excrement on fire
Hold up. You've already (quite rightly) made the distinction between those protesting for police reform and the addressing of systemic racism where it exists, and those with other political motivations jumping on the bandwagon. You can't then in the next breath just dismiss everyone outside the White House as "angry leftists".
Also, point of note: it's not his house.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 12:40:34 PM
Hold up. You've already (quite rightly) made the distinction between those protesting for police reform and the addressing of systemic racism where it exists, and those with other political motivations jumping on the bandwagon. You can't then in the next breath just dismiss everyone outside the White House as "angry leftists".
Also, point of note: it's not his house.
You know what, I agree with the above.
It's sort of as incongruent as asserting that white supremacists are attacking a sitting President who's a white supremacist.
It's the people's house, but he's the tenant on rent. No different then saying "it's my apartment when I don't outright own something.
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 12:41:20 PM
I have no problem in saying that if you believe that and are acting on it, in this form and fashion, you should be treated as an enemy combatant.
I think that "enemy combatant" might be a bit off the mark given a) they're likely US citizens and b) war is what they actually want, not you (I hope). The Geneva Convention doesn't really apply here, they're criminals and should be treated as such.
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 12:43:36 PM
You know what, I agree with the above.
It's sort of as incongruent as asserting that white supremacists are attacking a sitting President who's a white supremacist.
It's the people's house, but he's the tenant on rent. No different then saying "it's my apartment when I don't outright own something.
how much ben shapiro and jordan peterson do you read?
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 12:45:32 PM
You know what, I agree with the above.
It's sort of as incongruent as asserting that white supremacists are attacking a sitting President who's a white supremacist.
It's the people's house, but he's the tenant on rent. No different then saying "it's my apartment when I don't outright own something.
I'm not suggesting that white supremacists were protesting outside the White House, just that those protesting for police reform are not per se "leftists". The appeal for George Floyd's death to mean something and have long lasting purpose in bringing the issues of institutional racism to the sunlight are, I hope, non-partisan. If it's only the left who want to see that then that by definition means that the right is OK with racism, which I think is not the point you were trying to make.
I don't really agree with your comparison between the White House and your rental apartment, unless your apartment is owned by the people and symbolic of something much greater than keeping the rain off you while you sleep.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 12:56:59 PM
Yes. That is EXACTLY what Robert E. Lee thought or what an objective look at his legacy should reveal.
He thought slavery was good for black people.
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v I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy.
He defended a government whose sole purpose was to preserve the right to own black people.
"Reading the Man" by Elizabeth Brown Pryor is a biography made up of his personal letters and journals. Try educating yourself.
Or how about just acknowledge that declared himself to be no longer a part of the United States of America, took up arms against the United States of America, and killed citizens of the United States of America.
He's a traitor.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
freak yes here we go, hes here to defend robert e lee and the confederates now
LMAO
Post by: Miamipuck on June 01, 2020, 01:53:28 PM
He thought slavery was good for black people.
He defended a government whose sole purpose was to preserve the right to own black people.
"Reading the Man" by Elizabeth Brown Pryor is a biography made up of his personal letters and journals. Try educating yourself.
Or how about just acknowledge that declared himself to be no longer a part of the United States of America, took up arms against the United States of America, and killed citizens of the United States of America.
He's a traitor.
I am not defending Lee, he's not defendable in this instance, but that isn't the entire quote. The entire quote is contradictory. Using an excerpt is a little disingenuous. Look at his actions and all his writings and you wouldn't have to resort to a misquote of an 1856 letter.
Just use this article: It's by a Lee admirer and he doesn't hold back on his shitty views and actions.
https://www.historynet.com/robert-e-lee-slavery.htm (https://www.historynet.com/robert-e-lee-slavery.htm)
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 02:21:35 PM
how much ben shapiro and jordan peterson do you read?
I thought about this actually being an opportunity to introduce some righty journo's, content creators and the like in here but I think I better pass.
"Reading the Man" by Elizabeth Brown Pryor is a biography made up of his personal letters and journals. Try educating yourself.
I'll "educate" myself by reading a book who's author is either so stupid, ignorant, and operating on bias that she thought the only differences between the United States and confederate Constitutions were slavery.
Read this; https://www.amazon.com/Confederate-Constitution-1861-American-Constitutionalism/dp/0826208126
and get back to me on what a freaking stupid statement that is on her part and how indicative it is of bias on the part of the author. The entirety of the executive branch as we know it and their term and power changes under that document, for starters.
In b4 "this book is apologist bullshit on how the South and their revisionists argued anti-federalism was their cause."
No, like any other objective viewer, slavery was obviously the primary reason the civil war was waged, but to say there weren't other detrimental and obvious fractures between North and South that motivated southerners to war to fight for their land and family is just incredibly simplistic.
It's amazing how The Simpsons created a scene lampooning dialogue like this some almost twenty freaking years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwHQYDqf6c
And the next time someone wants to accuse me of acting sarcastically, snidely or in any other way, let me know the next time I'm allowed to respond in kind when someone tells me to "educate myself" repeatedly. I'll be sure to keep Between the World and Me on my amazon wishlist.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 02:27:03 PM
I am not defending Lee, he's not defendable in this instance, but that isn't the entire quote. The entire quote is contradictory. Using an excerpt is a little disingenuous. Look at his actions and all his writings and you wouldn't have to resort to a misquote of an 1856 letter.
Just use this article: It's by a Lee admirer and he doesn't hold back on his shitty views and actions.
https://www.historynet.com/robert-e-lee-slavery.htm (https://www.historynet.com/robert-e-lee-slavery.htm)
AYFKM? I left off one sentence in the beginning because the article I copied it from
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there are few, I believe, but will acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil in any country. It is useless to expiate on its disadvantages
There. What more did you glean from that? He thought slavery was making black people better. Putting the caveat at the front doesn’t change his argument or make him any better.
Also, MJ continuing to prove he’s an unhinged joke is unbearably entertaining. Who the freak writes In B 4 halfway through their own longwinded post?
How much do you think any reason outside of slavery actually matters when in the end of the day, they were still traitors?
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 02:28:23 PM
Also, some people just love a ruck and don't really believe in anything.
I'd put big money on this over false flags and AnTiFa turrists
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 02:30:55 PM
AYFKM? I left off one sentence in the beginning
There. What more did you glean from that?
Also, MJ continuing to prove he’s an unhinged joke is unbearably entertaining.
"Educate yourself"
"An unhinged joke."
How have I denigrated you personally?
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 02:31:39 PM
I thought about this actually being an opportunity to introduce some righty journo's, content creators and the like in here but I think I better pass.
I for one would love to hear more about Ian Miles Cheong
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 02:35:35 PM
I am not defending Lee, he's not defendable in this instance, but
https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 02:38:20 PM
God I miss when that show was good.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 01, 2020, 03:11:32 PM
denigrated
Mj is reaching back into his smart words bucket
Anxiously awaiting the 500th strawman mention
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 03:21:06 PM
Mj is reaching back into his smart words bucket
Anxiously awaiting the 500th strawman mention
How many times until he gets the balloons, glitter, and banner drop?
Post by: Miamipuck on June 01, 2020, 03:37:01 PM
AYFKM? I left off one sentence in the beginning because the article I copied it from
There. What more did you glean from that? He thought slavery was making black people better. Putting the caveat at the front doesn’t change his argument or make him any better.
Also, MJ continuing to prove he’s an unhinged joke is unbearably entertaining. Who the freak writes In B 4 halfway through their own longwinded post?
How much do you think any reason outside of slavery actually matters when in the end of the day, they were still traitors?
My point is you're calling him out and don't even use the entire contradictory quote, one used by both sides in fact. But hey don't let me get in the way
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 03:38:49 PM
My point is you're calling him out and don't even use the entire contradictory quote, one used by both sides in fact. But hey don't let me get in the way
Lee is clearly stating that he thinks slavery helps black people. He’s just adding a crap ton of qualifiers onto it.
Post by: Miamipuck on June 01, 2020, 03:40:28 PM
The but was because the quote is used by both sides the defenders of Lee and the ones that know he didnt exactly like black people but hey thanks for interjecting
https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576?s=19
Post by: Miamipuck on June 01, 2020, 03:42:00 PM
Lee is clearly stating that he thinks slavery helps black people. He’s just adding a crap ton of qualifiers onto it.
Again you told him to educate himself, what if I only quoted the part you left off? That part is used to deify Lee.
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 03:51:48 PM
The Enduring Relevance of Robert E. Lee: The Ideological Warfare Underpinning the American Civil War (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HAEL5FI)
and
Redeeming American Democracy: Lessons from the Confederate Constitution (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1589804724)
and who can forget
The Ninth Amendment and the Politics of Creative Jurisprudence: Disparaging the Fundamental Right of Popular Control (https://www.amazon.com/Ninth-Amendment-Politics-Creative-Jurisprudence-ebook/dp/B077TVWX3V/)
in which he argues in favor of nationalism.
Thanks, I'll pass.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 04:14:28 PM
Marshall DeRosa, author of such varying titles as:
The Enduring Relevance of Robert E. Lee: The Ideological Warfare Underpinning the American Civil War (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HAEL5FI)
and
Redeeming American Democracy: Lessons from the Confederate Constitution (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1589804724)
and who can forget
The Ninth Amendment and the Politics of Creative Jurisprudence: Disparaging the Fundamental Right of Popular Control (https://www.amazon.com/Ninth-Amendment-Politics-Creative-Jurisprudence-ebook/dp/B077TVWX3V/)
in which he argues in favor of nationalism.
Thanks, I'll pass.
But they had other grievances!!!
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 04:35:20 PM
in which he argues in favor of nationalism.
Thanks, I'll pass.
Lmao.
I'm not going to get into a discussion of civic nationalism and how anti-racist it is in a football message board because you've gotten so gaslit from CNN putting "White" in front of the word "nationalism" after the left has been trying to make nationalism a dirty word since the time of Reagan.
But they had other grievances!!!
I get it, you're the guy that tells Apu to "just say slavery."
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 04:36:34 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 04:45:53 PM
its 2020 and pushing a nationalist ideal is flat out stupid.
No. It's not.
EDIT: Maybe if you're insane enough to conflate nationalism with supremacy. That's your problem not mine, and it's only a recent phenomenon done very deliberately.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 04:52:16 PM
No. It's not.
EDIT: Maybe if you're insane enough to conflate nationalism with supremacy. That's your problem not mine, and it's only a recent phenomenon done very deliberately.
Most nationalist groups do.
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 04:57:45 PM
No. It's not.
EDIT: Maybe if you're insane enough to conflate nationalism with supremacy. That's your problem not mine, and it's only a recent phenomenon done very deliberately.
I suppose it depends upon what version of nationalism you're talking about. I'd be interested to hear an argument for economic nationalism, particularly in the case of the US, because I have yet to see a compelling one. And if you don't start there then everything else is basically emotional.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 04:58:45 PM
Lmao.
I'm not going to get into a discussion of civic nationalism and how anti-racist it is in a football message board because you've gotten so gaslit from CNN putting "White" in front of the word "nationalism" after the left has been trying to make nationalism a dirty word since the time of Reagan.
I get it, you're the guy that tells Apu to "just say slavery."
And you’re the one who quotes The Simpsons thinking you’re saying something profound or deeply thought provoking.
https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/1508674905842027/ (https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/1508674905842027/)
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 05:46:32 PM
And you’re the one who quotes The Simpsons thinking you’re saying something profound or deeply thought provoking.
https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/1508674905842027/ (https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/1508674905842027/)
I have never watched one second of Prager U with the exception of some stuff the Ultimate Milquetoast Dave Rubin did for them a while ago.
I do find this tactic of isolating pro-conservative pro-right sources as some sort of dig to be hilarious considering the overwhelming freaking dogshit from a left perspective that is available. Since you know. The internet an information highway.
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 05:53:15 PM
holy excrement its civil war 2
trump is speaking to the press with explosions in the background
National Guard units have been shipped into the White House, and the protesters in neighbouring Lafayette Park, who were peaceful (albeit loud), have been violently advanced on by police and rounds of tear gas have been fired into the crowd. And now the rubber bullets are being lobbed and mounted police are riding in.
He's authorizing people to defend themselves with 2nd amendment.
Threatening to invoke Insurrection Act of 1807, if states or towns refuse to take the military aid.
"Dispatching heavily armed soldiers, police, and personnel to protect life and property."
Martial law, in effect everywhere
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 06:14:28 PM
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 06:25:32 PM
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 08:10:57 PM
@DavidBegnaud
BREAKING: Episcopal bishop Mariqn Edgar Budde, who oversees the church where @POTUS went for a photo op with a bible just said: POTUS just used a bible...a&one of the churches of my diocese without permission as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus.
stealing from churches and using the bible to tell cops to shoot people. hes just like jesus.
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 08:28:34 PM
@libbygarvey
We ordered @ArlingtonVaPD to immediately leave DC. Appalled mutual aid agreement abused to endanger their and others safety for a photo op.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 08:29:06 PM
This is the most awkward thing I have ever seen.
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 08:55:19 PM
https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1267594813710446593?s=09 (https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1267594813710446593?s=09)
This is the most awkward thing I have ever seen.
This excrement makes me almost want to believe in God just so I can enjoy the thought of the righteous anger that's going to get lavished on him in the eternal afterlife. Sadly though, I think he'll face no worse fate than becoming worm food just like the rest of us.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 02, 2020, 06:16:21 AM
https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1267594813710446593?s=09 (https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1267594813710446593?s=09)His friends in Mrs Lippy's homeroom are gonna think he's so badass.
This is the most awkward thing I have ever seen.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 08:26:13 AM
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@realDonaldTrump: D.C. had no problems last night. Many arrests. Great job done by all. Overwhelming force. Domination. Likewise, Minneapolis was great (thank you President Trump!).
Bless you, Thank you
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 09:06:01 AM
Post by: MBGreen on June 02, 2020, 09:07:22 AM
10 ft fence around Lafayette Square Park.
Is that where they're going to round everyone up for propaganda training?
Post by: Heismanberg on June 02, 2020, 09:09:24 AM
10 ft fence around Lafayette Square Park.
DONT TOUCH MUH CHURCH!
Post by: Johnny English on June 02, 2020, 12:59:31 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 02, 2020, 01:31:09 PM
Between his handling of the covid response and now this, I wonder if all this is just Trump playing a long game. At this rate, by November Mexico will not only be paying for the wall, they'll be sending armies of men without shoes to build it.
He's handled everything perfectly. The media just has you right where they want you.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 02, 2020, 01:32:39 PM
Between his handling of the covid response and now this, I wonder if all this is just Trump playing a long game. At this rate, by November Mexico will not only be paying for the wall, they'll be sending armies of men without shoes to build it.
We need to keep these freaking Americans out of our country!
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 09:20:40 AM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1268140794348818432?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on June 03, 2020, 09:21:41 AM
lol
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1268140794348818432?s=19
I've been calling him the f-word since he got elected, and until he loses 60-80 lbs I will continue to do so.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 03, 2020, 09:30:37 AM
I've been calling him the f-word since he got elected, and until he loses 60-80 lbs I will continue to do so.
There's another f-word that used to be more prevalent around these parts that could also be used to describe him
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 09:36:37 AM
There's another f-word that used to be more prevalent around these parts that could also be used to describe himLaughing to myself imagining a DIAFF full front page of a newspaper
Post by: Heismanberg on June 03, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
Laughing to myself imagining a DIAFF full front page of a newspaper
Lets get Manish involved
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 03, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 10:03:55 AM
I’ll say it, Trump is a FuckboiThat's exactly what HuffPo wants you to believe
Post by: Johnny English on June 03, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 03, 2020, 01:21:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 03, 2020, 05:54:43 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 06:08:07 PM
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 06:18:11 PM
Mad dog showing some serious regret.Should have had the same regret for bombing weddings.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 06:30:38 PM
Should have had the same regret for bombing weddings.
Or killing hundreds of thousands of Afghan or Iraqi civilians in general.
Post by: Badger on June 03, 2020, 06:33:55 PM
Or killing hundreds of thousands of brown people in general.Well yeah but I like to get specific. Tends to pack more punch than the numbers sometimes.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 03, 2020, 06:50:02 PM
Well yeah but I like to get specific. Tends to pack more punch than the numbers sometimes.
Fair.
On my last ship I was friends with one of the warrant officers who worked for a crypto command dedicated to locating and targeting high value fighters for air strikes. I don’t like thinking about the stories he told me while he was there.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2020, 03:24:24 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 04, 2020, 04:02:08 PM
https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1268560617566240768?s=21 (https://twitter.com/nickconfessore/status/1268560617566240768?s=21)Did Mexico at least pay for it?
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 04:07:57 PM
Did Mexico at least pay for it?
Sorry to tell you this, but you did.
Post by: Johnny English on June 04, 2020, 04:15:09 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/president-trump-tried-to-register-to-vote-in-florida-using-an-out-of-state-address/2020/06/03/687d0014-a4f2-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html
Post by: bojanglesman on June 04, 2020, 04:18:03 PM
Looks like Trump wasn't lying about people trying to fraudulently use mail ballots.Lol.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/president-trump-tried-to-register-to-vote-in-florida-using-an-out-of-state-address/2020/06/03/687d0014-a4f2-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 04, 2020, 05:07:02 PM
Did Mexico at least pay for it?
Sorry to tell you this, but you did.
Thanks, Smalls. I appreciate you saving me the tax hit.
Post by: delavan on June 05, 2020, 12:07:17 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-hopes-george-floyd-is-looking-down-and-admiring-us-economy-2020-6
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 05, 2020, 06:35:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2020, 06:38:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZyRLI9UMAA036r?format=jpg&name=medium)Probably more to with good job #'s and reopening of businesses.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 05, 2020, 06:39:11 PM
Probably more to with good job #'s and reopening of businesses.I agree with the reasoning. It's just an insane graphic to put on the air.
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2020, 06:47:12 PM
I agree with the reasoning. It's just an insane graphic to put on the air.
It's just George reaching down from the heavens and bestowing his blessing upon Donald. He's so happy today, you know.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 05, 2020, 10:31:15 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 06, 2020, 10:02:43 AM
Dammit...no camping.
Post by: Jumbo on June 06, 2020, 03:21:14 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200606/64adb992807372c070e864241cfbf4e1.jpg)
Dammit...no camping.
that dude definitely likes the letters he's holding
Post by: Badger on June 08, 2020, 03:05:30 PM
Post by: reuben on June 08, 2020, 03:35:02 PM
https://twitter.com/LLW902/status/1270081664790728711?s=19
I'd feel better if we could just skip the debates this year. Trump's gonna say some excrement like "Pikachu is a slut" and then the media will be all "OMG WHAT DOES THIS MEAN WHY IS HE GOING AFTER POKEMON" for two months and BLM and COVID will be a distant memory by election day.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 08, 2020, 05:03:50 PM
I'd feel better if we could just skip the debates this year. Trump's gonna say some excrement like "Pikachu is a slut" and then the media will be all "OMG WHAT DOES THIS MEAN WHY IS HE GOING AFTER POKEMON" for two months and BLM and COVID will be a distant memory by election day.And Biden will stutter and Trump will keep interrupting him and it will just be a disaster.
That said, I don't see Trump agreeing to do a debate anywhere outside Fox News, and the Dems would be foolish to go along with that.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2020, 08:38:14 AM
75 yr old Antifa mastermind
Post by: Badger on June 09, 2020, 09:32:52 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1270333484528214018?s=21Obama clearly behind this, sending his gommunist septuagenarian attack thugs to make the hero cops look bad(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200609/810b2aa58f31a47b60257c7883694177.jpg)
75 yr old Antifa mastermind
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 10, 2020, 05:57:21 PM
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President Donald Trump's campaign is demanding CNN retract and apologize for a recent poll that showed him well behind presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/politics/trump-campaign-cnn-poll/index.html
Every time you think there's a new level of insanity, he exceeds it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 10, 2020, 06:31:26 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/politics/trump-campaign-cnn-poll/index.html
Every time you think there's a new level of insanity, he exceeds it.
LMAOOOOOOOO
He’s also fighting back hard on Army forts named after Confederate Generals. This is getting crazy.
Post by: Badger on June 10, 2020, 06:38:28 PM
He’s also fighting back hard on Army forts named after Confederate Generals. This is getting crazy.
You might be tempted to think that this is just virtue signaling for assholes, but that's exactly what Salon wants you to think!
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2020, 01:32:48 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 11, 2020, 01:37:00 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1271082251791499267?s=19
*Jump in the Fire by Metallica*
Post by: Johnny English on June 11, 2020, 08:53:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/2vQSxvg.png)
YOUR PRESIDENT IS A RACIST WHO HAS SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH, OR IS BEING OPERATED BY, EVEN WORSE RACISTS LIKE BANNON AND MILLER
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 11, 2020, 09:01:33 PM
Reminder of this:We know (at least most of us). We're not proud of it.
(https://i.imgur.com/2vQSxvg.png)
YOUR PRESIDENT IS A RACIST WHO HAS SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH, OR IS BEING OPERATED BY, EVEN WORSE RACISTS LIKE BANNON AND MILLER
Post by: Heismanberg on June 11, 2020, 09:02:37 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 11, 2020, 09:09:08 PM
Tulsa is going to be WILD on Juneteenth
Miller is trying to start a literal race war.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 11, 2020, 10:24:48 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 11, 2020, 11:29:56 PM
Deplorable was an accurate term.It was always an accurate term. It was just a stupid thing to say since it motivated the other side.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2020, 07:05:39 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2020, 11:26:14 AM
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/breaking-john-bolton-book-claims-impeachable-offenses-across-full-range-of-trumps-foreign-policy/
Bolton book gonna be interesting.
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2020, 01:28:23 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2020, 01:38:09 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-campaign-insiders-rally-juneteenth-coronavirus-biden-a9563626.html
Liberal propaganda
Post by: insanity on June 12, 2020, 02:18:18 PM
https://www.axios.com/john-bolton-book-trump-misconduct-794e8e01-18a3-44ae-ae35-1ee2c4fddad4.htmlIf only this guy was in a position of power to do something about what occurred..
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/breaking-john-bolton-book-claims-impeachable-offenses-across-full-range-of-trumps-foreign-policy/
Bolton book gonna be interesting.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2020, 02:23:03 PM
Bolton is a tool. Always has been.
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
Was going to say, that would have been great to know during the impeachment proceedings.
Bolton is a tool. Always has been.
Agreed on both fronts, although frankly they could have had video footage of Trump peeing on a hooker in the middle of 5th while shooting someone in the head and the GOP run Senate wouldn't have impeached him, so if Bolton is timing his information to punch another hole or two below the waterline of his re-election campaign then that's not a terrible thing either.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2020, 02:57:59 PM
Agreed on both fronts, although frankly they could have had video footage of Trump peeing on a hooker in the middle of 5th while shooting someone in the head and the GOP run Senate wouldn't have impeached him, so if Bolton is timing his information to punch another hole or two below the waterline of his re-election campaign then that's not a terrible thing either.
I wouldn’t mind at this point if he timed it that way, however if the Senate had voted to impeach him earlier we might not be in the current state and we might not have needed a delayed release of info timed with his campaign.
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2020, 03:03:56 PM
I wouldn’t mind at this point if he timed it that way, however if the Senate had voted to impeach him earlier we might not be in the current state and we might not have needed a delayed release of info timed with his campaign.
For sure. I'm not ascribing any specific external intent - altruistic, political or machiavellian - to the timing of Bolton's actions, he's clearly picked his time to maximise interest in his book. I'm just looking for a potential positive to it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2020, 03:05:47 PM
For sure. I'm not ascribing any specific external intent - altruistic, political or machiavellian - to the timing of Bolton's actions, he's clearly picked his time to maximise interest in his book. I'm just looking for a potential positive to it.
Fair.
Post by: IATA on June 12, 2020, 03:49:39 PM
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Trump says Abraham Lincoln 'did good' for the Black community but that 'the end result' is 'questionable'
uhh..errr..what?
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2020, 03:51:11 PM
https://www.axios.com/john-bolton-book-trump-misconduct-794e8e01-18a3-44ae-ae35-1ee2c4fddad4.htmlLibs will forgive him for decades of being a psycho hawk in exchange for orange man gossip
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/breaking-john-bolton-book-claims-impeachable-offenses-across-full-range-of-trumps-foreign-policy/
Bolton book gonna be interesting.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2020, 03:53:37 PM
Libs will forgive him for decades of being a psycho hawk in exchange for orange man gossip
Almost every comment I saw on twitter under the story were bashing him for being a turd that did nothing about it while he was there. I was surprised. I thought it would be "all hail mustache god", but no. At this point, I'll take anything that sends that excrement packing.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 12, 2020, 03:58:38 PM
Libs will forgive him for decades of being a psycho hawk in exchange for orange man gossipMeh. Nobody will forgive him. We can all see right through him trying to sell books. But he was in a position to know things and put his name on it.
The more fun thing will see all the right wingers calling him a cuck or a liberal plant into the Trump administration.
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2020, 04:01:13 PM
Meh. Nobody will forgive him. We can all see right through him trying to sell books. But he was in a position to know things and put his name on it.
The more fun thing will see all the right wingers calling him a cuck or a liberal plant into the Trump administration.
Dude, people are rehabbing the image of GWB, they have the memory of goldfish.
Comey was a huge villain to them in 2016, then he said "excuse me Mr. President sir but you're out of line" and wrote a book about it and they love him now.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2020, 04:04:46 PM
Dude, people are rehabbing the image of GWB, they have the memory of goldfish.
Comey was a huge villain to them in 2016, then he said "excuse me Mr. President sir but you're out of line" and wrote a book about it and they love him now.
Coors Light looks like a craft beer if it's sitting next to a warm Keystone Light.
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2020, 04:24:24 PM
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1271540773851463681?s=19
Post by: reuben on June 12, 2020, 04:46:42 PM
Dude, people are rehabbing the image of GWB, they have the memory of goldfish.
He paints portraits of vets and gives Michelle candy, uWuuWuwuwuw!
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2020, 04:47:23 PM
Libs will forgive him for decades of being a psycho hawk in exchange for orange man gossip
No one is forgetting that Bolton is a raging queynte whose sole objective in life was to throw nukes at Iran, it's just way more useful to have a former beloved Republican darling like him calling out Trump for his grift than a thousand ethical Democrats. (If that line doesn't set off mj's bat signal then I have to assume he's literally expired, and even then I'll only be mildly shocked if he posts from the afterlife.)
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2020, 07:44:16 PM
Libs will forgive him for decades of being a psycho hawk in exchange for orange man gossip
Nah freak this dude. He doesn't deserve redemption because he was fired.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2020, 07:45:44 PM
No one is forgetting that Bolton is a raging queynte whose sole objective in life was to throw nukes at Iran, it's just way more useful to have a former beloved Republican darling like him calling out Trump for his grift than a thousand ethical Democrats. (If that line doesn't set off mj's bat signal then I have to assume he's literally expired, and even then I'll only be mildly shocked if he posts from the afterlife.)
Exactly. Sort of like how I'm enjoying the Lincoln Project videos now but I still understand that I will hate just about everything they put out in February.
Post by: Johnny English on June 12, 2020, 07:46:40 PM
Exactly. Sort of like how I'm enjoying the Lincoln Project videos now but I still understand that I will hate just about everything they put out in February.
My enemy'e enemy and all that. For now.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2020, 08:01:18 PM
Happy pride month
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1271540773851463681?s=19
Anniversary of the Pulse Nightclub shooting
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2020, 08:06:03 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 12, 2020, 08:27:55 PM
All of this excrement is intentional. I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the SS tweet.I can guarantee you Trump didn't know who the SS were.
Post by: Heismanberg on June 12, 2020, 08:36:42 PM
I can guarantee you Trump didn't know who the SS were.
What about his staff? Do they?
Choosing Tulsa on Juneteenth is very intentional and it’s disgusting.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 12, 2020, 09:17:11 PM
What about his staff? Do they?I think the S.S comment was Trump being an idiot, but the LGBTQ and Juneteenth stuff are planned by his staff.
Choosing Tulsa on Juneteenth is very intentional and it’s disgusting.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 12, 2020, 09:51:36 PM
I can guarantee you Trump didn't know who the SS were.
Nothing you have said about this actually makes the scenario any better.
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2020, 10:33:00 PM
Nah freak this dude. He doesn't deserve redemption because he was fired.Ok but remember what I said when he gets a softball interview on Colbert and hits the NYT bestseller list. Maybe they'll let him write an op-ed too.
Post by: reuben on June 13, 2020, 01:04:52 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 13, 2020, 01:34:50 AM
Ok but remember what I said when he gets a softball interview on Colbert and hits the NYT bestseller list. Maybe they'll let him write an op-ed too.All of that can happen and all of that likely will happen, but it still doesn't mean he's redeemed in any way.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 13, 2020, 07:37:53 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 13, 2020, 07:43:54 AM
All of this excrement is intentional. I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the SS tweet.
Ok and what’s the strategic intention behind that tweet
Post by: bojanglesman on June 13, 2020, 09:08:44 AM
Nothing you have said about this actually makes the scenario any better.
My point is that not everything he does is intentionally bad. I don't think everyone makes the immediate connection from an un-thought-out secret service acronym to the Nazis without a few people geared up on twitter forcing the issue and everyone else piling on because he's a douche.
Trump is a horrible piece of excrement and does intentionally stupid and evil things on a daily basis, but I'm willing to admit when something was an honest mistake made by a person I detest.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 13, 2020, 09:20:11 AM
Ok and what’s the strategic intention behind that tweet
He can do moronic things on purpose without it having strategic value. We’re in year 4 of his presidency I would think this point would be obvious by now.
My point is that not everything he does is intentionally bad. I don't think everyone makes the immediate connection from an un-thought-out secret service acronym to the Nazis without a few people geared up on twitter forcing the issue and everyone else piling on because he's a douche.
Trump is a horrible piece of excrement and does intentionally stupid and evil things on a daily basis, but I'm willing to admit when something was an honest mistake made by a person I detest.
The only unintentional connection I’m willing to concede was that he accidentally referred to the secret service with the phrase that his white supremacist staff have been using because they think they’re so funny to refer to the Secret Service using the same name as Hitler’s body guards.
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2020, 10:45:36 PM
Post by: insanity on June 14, 2020, 10:33:27 AM
This dude just bragged about walking down a ramp as if he just climbed mount everest
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 14, 2020, 12:13:51 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1272000237809414149
This dude just bragged about walking down a ramp as if he just climbed mount everest
Can’t drink water with one hand, either. They’re hiding some serious problems with him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 14, 2020, 12:20:36 PM
https://twitter.com/fuckthefalcons/status/1271138433268723713?s=21 (https://twitter.com/fuckthefalcons/status/1271138433268723713?s=21)
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2020, 04:29:21 PM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1273003246618054657?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2020, 04:44:26 PM
• TRUMP tried to halt criminal investigations to help "dictators he liked”
• TRUMP did not seem to know that Britain is a nuclear power & asked if Finland is part of Russia
• POMPEO indicated he thought Trump was "so full of excrement”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/us/politics/bolton-book-trump-impeached.html#click=https://t.co/NBemSel9SM
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 04:49:36 PM
BOLTON'S REVELATIONS:
• TRUMP likes soda pop
• IVANKA's car is green
Bolty Madison
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 17, 2020, 05:05:02 PM
Lol. "Once again something that could have been brought to my attention yesterday" was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw it. But this is better.
Bolty Madison
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2020, 06:16:38 PM
BOLTON'S REVELATIONS:
• TRUMP tried to halt criminal investigations to help "dictators he liked”
• TRUMP did not seem to know that Britain is a nuclear power & asked if Finland is part of Russia
• POMPEO indicated he thought Trump was "so full of excrement”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/us/politics/bolton-book-trump-impeached.html#click=https://t.co/NBemSel9SM
I don't know why you chose those three points, because 2 and 3 are of no significance other than he's a freaking imbecile, and 1 has a whole load of way more interesting depth behind it than just that punchline.
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2020, 07:02:30 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 17, 2020, 07:23:47 PM
I don't know why you chose those three points, because 2 and 3 are of no significance other than he's a freaking imbecile, and 1 has a whole load of way more interesting depth behind it than just that punchline.First thing I saw. Better stuff came out later on.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 17, 2020, 08:54:37 PM
I don't know why you chose those three points, because 2 and 3 are of no significance other than he's a freaking imbecile, and 1 has a whole load of way more interesting depth behind it than just that punchline.
Probably because instances that prove he's stupid are still funny.
He begged China to help him get re-elected. WTF?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 06:02:32 AM
I’m sorry
Post by: Badger on June 18, 2020, 08:26:17 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200618/f05fa44a815044c3e5a33772e737f392.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 08:28:00 AM
Cool triangle
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200618/f05fa44a815044c3e5a33772e737f392.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/a9/c9/42a9c9b58125a2d2f42b73349ef786e5.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 08:47:19 AM
Cool triangle
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200618/f05fa44a815044c3e5a33772e737f392.jpg)
Just another example of the Trump administration selling out America to shady foreign interests.
(https://i.imgur.com/XgNgNh5.png)
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 09:01:29 AM
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Red triangle – political prisoners: social democrats, socialists, communists and anarchists; rescuers of Jews; trade unionists; and Freemasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge
But obviously making comparisons between the current administration and fascism are just leftist hyperbole.
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 09:14:10 AM
In case the red triangle symbology is escaping anyone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge
But obviously making comparisons between the current administration and fascism are just leftist hyperbole.
It didn't originate from planet Ork?
Post by: delavan on June 18, 2020, 05:07:17 PM
In case the red triangle symbology is escaping anyone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge
But obviously making comparisons between the current administration and fascism are just leftist hyperbole.
Yep, and speaking of fascism, note what this red triangle has to do with: great WHITES!!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Northern_California_red_triangle.jpg)
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 18, 2020, 05:36:41 PM
In case the red triangle symbology is escaping anyone:So is that tire company fascist?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge
But obviously making comparisons between the current administration and fascism are just leftist hyperbole.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 18, 2020, 05:48:04 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2020, 06:06:39 PM
So is that tire company fascist?
Not as far as I'm aware, but then I'm also not aware of them issuing public proclamations about "far left groups".
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 10:04:12 PM
Ahem. lmaoooooooooo
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 10:05:10 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2020, 10:07:45 PM
Gonna need a day to processYou don’t need a day to process....just recycle your RAM.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 10:11:56 PM
https://twitter.com/backaftathis/status/1273802197306880006?s=21
Post by: reuben on June 18, 2020, 10:54:09 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1273799790350884864?s=21
Ahem. lmaoooooooooo
what the freak
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 11:00:49 PM
what the freak
I agree, the part where he literally needs the Maga hat to gather the inner strength to both move that guys car and solve racism was truly inspirational and just great branding by the Trump social media team.
Moving this post to Good Movies thread, this film had more twists than shutter island
Post by: reuben on June 18, 2020, 11:03:29 PM
Oh it's gonna be a whole series
This fuckin year, man
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2020, 11:07:12 PM
At least Fake News is solved though
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2020, 05:57:54 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1273799790350884864?s=21Amateur, didn't even sprinkle anything under the tire for traction.
Ahem. lmaoooooooooo
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2020, 06:02:10 AM
Amateur, didn't even sprinkle anything under the tire for traction.Duke's Mayonnaise?
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2020, 06:03:00 AM
Mayonnaise?He could have wedged some salty salty ham rolls under there.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2020, 07:09:51 AM
He could have wedged some salty salty ham rolls under there.Good idea. The 900 lbs of salt will allow it to still be safely edible afterwards.
Post by: insanity on June 19, 2020, 07:10:55 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1273799790350884864?s=21
Ahem. lmaoooooooooo
I love how he glosses over the fact that he's responsible for trump's america. It's as if he hasn't been in power for 3.5 years to try and stop this america. It's as if he hasn't make america great again
Post by: bojanglesman on June 20, 2020, 09:43:21 PM
His base #TrumpCoronaFest2020 https://t.co/1dj2FYAxXE
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200621/86d6f319006ef8137cde07a4b3f25f83.jpg)
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 21, 2020, 12:47:03 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/21/style/tiktok-trump-rally-tulsa.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 21, 2020, 07:46:58 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 21, 2020, 08:09:42 AM
https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1274507253140381697?s=21
That twitter account is for retards.
Post by: MBGreen on June 21, 2020, 08:19:19 AM
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2020, 08:52:36 AM
That twitter account is for retards.I wasn't familiar, so I scrolled down really far until I found a Rachel Maddow retweet, so it's at least a little retarded. Far from the worst case of TDS I've seen though.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 21, 2020, 09:08:35 AM
I heard the trump rally crowd was 75% crickets.Tremendous crickets. Best ever, some say. THANK YOU.
Post by: Johnny English on June 21, 2020, 11:20:19 AM
-- President of the United States, Donald Trump, last night at his rally, telling a heartwarming tale of red-blooded American courage about that one time he risked his life walking down a ramp with the help of the Army.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 22, 2020, 01:48:28 PM
Post by: IATA on June 22, 2020, 01:55:57 PM
also, these idiots cant even pronounce the word correctly, freak me.
Post by: IATA on June 22, 2020, 10:03:20 PM
Quote
Steven Dennis
@StevenTDennis
A day ahead of Trump’s visit to Arizona, GOP Senator Martha McSally proposes giving taxpayers *$4,000 each* to take a vacation.
Couples would get $8,000 in vacation tax credits, plus $500 per kid.
@StevenTDennis
A day ahead of Trump’s visit to Arizona, GOP Senator Martha McSally proposes giving taxpayers *$4,000 each* to take a vacation.
Couples would get $8,000 in vacation tax credits, plus $500 per kid.
@StevenTDennis
McSally’s massive travel stimulus bill would require the travel to be within the United States but at least 50 miles from your principal residence.
@StevenTDennis
You could use the money on travel to your vacation home, but not for vacation home lodging expenses.
@StevenTDennis
The bill “will encourage Americans to safely get out of their homes and discover or rediscover Arizona along with the rest of the amazing destinations our country has to offer after a difficult several months stuck inside,” McSally said.
@StevenTDennis
The bill would pay for your food, beverages, lodging, transportation and live entertainment events (including sporting events).
Note, were you to win a $4,000 vacay on, say, the Price is Right, you’d have to pay taxes on it, so this is a better deal.
@StevenTDennis
Just some very rough arithmetic off top of my head, but if 100 million taxpayers took advantage of the $4,000 tax break that’d be $400 billion. And I think that many more would be want to do so.
I mean, who would want to turn down a free all expense paid vacation?
@StevenTDennis
The bill doesn’t include an offset, so it would swell the deficit. I wonder what a dynamic score might look like though.
@StevenTDennis
Also, the tax credit isn’t refundable. So if you don’t make enough to pay federal income taxes, you don’t get the free vacation.
@StevenTDennis
It’s called the American TRIP Act:
American
Tax
Rebate and
Incentive
Program Act
As in, take A TRIP.
@StevenTDennis
I find it interesting that Andrew Yang RT’ed this thread.
@StevenTDennis
The program would end Dec. 31, 2021, and would be *retroactive* to Jan. 1, 2020. So I *think* that means you’d get two years of $4,000 tax credits?
@StevenTDennis
Trump in May talked up the idea of an “Explore America” tax credit, which McSally’s bill resembles, as a boon to the hard-hit restaurant industry.
Because of course.
Post by: IATA on June 22, 2020, 10:03:29 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 22, 2020, 11:07:47 PM
Because of course.These damn socialists always trying to give out government handouts.
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2020, 10:41:35 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275379766959505408?s=19
Post by: Heismanberg on June 23, 2020, 11:16:08 AM
Post by: Badger on June 23, 2020, 11:38:37 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2020, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 03:43:23 PM
Plot twist: Trump, seeing an impending loss, fakes his own death, leaving Pence as incumbent president. As a less disgusting candidate than Trump, he barely squeaks by old man Biden in the election. Trump miraculously returns, claiming he was kidnapped by the deep state. Pence immediately forces his VP to quit and puts Trump in as his VP. Trump has Pence killed. President Trump.
I can believe all of this up to the point of "Trump has Pence killed". Based upon the evidence of the last three and a half years, what makes you think he has the smarts, influence or management skills to co-ordinate a Presidential assassination?
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
I can believe all of this up to the point of "Trump has Pence killed". Based upon the evidence of the last three and a half years, what makes you think he has the smarts, influence or management skills to co-ordinate a Presidential assassination?He'll hire Hillary to do it.
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2020, 04:09:28 PM
He'll hire Hillary to do it.
He'll do it himself, get caught on camera because he can't do anything right, tell everyone that Hillary did it, and 40% of Americans will watch the video and believe him.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2020, 04:11:05 PM
He'll do it himself, get caught on camera because he can't do anything right, tell everyone that Hillary did it, and 40% of Americans will watch the video and believe him.
OK that's better.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 24, 2020, 08:56:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Pappiness/status/1275953706203136000
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2020, 10:06:37 PM
Post by: ons on June 24, 2020, 10:11:10 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275951862269829121
https://twitter.com/Pappiness/status/1275953706203136000
Yeah the tariffs absolutely wrecked the livelihoods of a lot of commercial lobsetermen up here. Canada swooped in and undercut the entire industry.
Post by: IATA on June 24, 2020, 10:24:42 PM
Yeah the tariffs absolutely wrecked the livelihoods of a lot of commercial lobsetermen up here. Canada swooped in and undercut the entire industry.
https://youtu.be/ZrtSOTGNqA8?t=25
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 27, 2020, 07:40:54 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 29, 2020, 06:10:32 PM
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/28/884392576/trump-retweets-video-of-apparent-supporter-saying-white-power
Post by: Johnny English on June 29, 2020, 07:50:00 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-fragile-mood-may-drop-152718908.html
Trump vs Fox is the bitch fight we've all been waiting for.
Post by: insanity on June 29, 2020, 09:28:57 PM
I heard about this story a few times today, but this is the first time I've seen the actual video and it's freaking hilarious.Is there anything more pretentious than protesting from a golf cart.
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/28/884392576/trump-retweets-video-of-apparent-supporter-saying-white-power
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 29, 2020, 11:16:59 PM
I heard about this story a few times today, but this is the first time I've seen the actual video and it's freaking hilarious.
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/28/884392576/trump-retweets-video-of-apparent-supporter-saying-white-power
This is the funniest thing I’ve seen this month.
Post by: delavan on June 30, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
you people are insane
Post by: bojanglesman on June 30, 2020, 03:48:48 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Blue-lobster.jpg/320px-Blue-lobster.jpg) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Boiled_Maine_Lobster.jpg/240px-Boiled_Maine_Lobster.jpg)I don't get it.
you people are insane
Post by: MBGreen on June 30, 2020, 03:54:26 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Blue-lobster.jpg/320px-Blue-lobster.jpg) (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Boiled_Maine_Lobster.jpg/240px-Boiled_Maine_Lobster.jpg)#PassTheButter
you people are insane
Post by: Johnny English on June 30, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
More libtard fake news propaganda
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 30, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/06/29/white-house-aware-in-2019-of-russian-bounties-on-american-troops-in-afghanistan-officials-say/#.XvubtbqHcXR.facebook
More libtard fake news propaganda
Lincoln Project is having a field day with this.
Post by: delavan on July 01, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
I don't get it.There was mention about the negative impacts on the Maine lobstermen thanks to Trump's tariffs - the lobsters ('blue' and 'red') were in recognition of the partisan brickbats that ensued (it was admittedly opaque-my bad).
Given the overwhelming 'blue over red' tale-of-the-tape makeup here at JO, this blow-by-blow # gif would've been better :-)
https://crazygif.com/grandmothers-fierce-battle/
Post by: Johnny English on July 01, 2020, 02:54:52 PM
the overwhelming 'blue over red' tale-of-the-tape makeup here at JO
I don't really think that that's true. I think there are a handful of dyed in the wool left wingers who don't really identify themselves at all with the Democrats, a few hard core right wingers who would (and did) vote for a literal turd if it was waving a red flag, and a whole bunch of people who would probably consider themselves open to voting either way depending upon the candidate and the policies at the time. I'm probably about as close to a left wing party loyalist as you'll find on here, primarily because I'm fairly solidly centre-left in my views, and I don't get a vote.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 01, 2020, 03:10:52 PM
There was mention about the negative impacts on the Maine lobstermen thanks to Trump's tariffs - the lobsters ('blue' and 'red') were in recognition of the partisan brickbats that ensued (it was admittedly opaque-my bad).It's ok, I'm not the brightest bulb.
Given the overwhelming 'blue over red' tale-of-the-tape makeup here at JO, this blow-by-blow # gif would've been better :-)
https://crazygif.com/grandmothers-fierce-battle/
Post by: delavan on July 02, 2020, 08:33:51 AM
It's ok, I'm not the brightest bulb.
It's ok, if I were a Sino-redneck I'd be dim, son
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/%22Chinese_Buffalo%22_truck_%2810497263573%29.jpg/320px-%22Chinese_Buffalo%22_truck_%2810497263573%29.jpg)
#lamejoke
Post by: bojanglesman on July 02, 2020, 09:05:25 AM
It's ok, if I were a Sino-redneck I'd be dim, son
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/%22Chinese_Buffalo%22_truck_%2810497263573%29.jpg/320px-%22Chinese_Buffalo%22_truck_%2810497263573%29.jpg)
#lamejoke
(https://i.gifer.com/Rz2.gif)
Post by: MBGreen on July 02, 2020, 09:47:51 AM
There was mention about the negative impacts on the Maine lobstermen thanks to Trump's tariffs - the lobsters ('blue' and 'red') were in recognition of the partisan brickbats that ensued (it was admittedly opaque-my bad).TL;DR - lobster is delicious
Given the overwhelming 'blue over red' tale-of-the-tape makeup here at JO, this blow-by-blow # gif would've been better :-)
https://crazygif.com/grandmothers-fierce-battle/
Post by: delavan on July 03, 2020, 06:38:52 PM
Me, fwiw I always thought that Mt. Rushmore thing was a crass piece of donkeydick and if I were prez it'd be sandblasted to smithereens and given back to the Sioux. Bad enough the land was stolen from them by the US gov't reneging on a treaty. What's more they ought to erase that bas relief vandalism on Stone Mt. (Ga.) as well.
Post by: Johnny English on July 03, 2020, 07:44:21 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 03, 2020, 10:38:36 PM
This whole business with George and Kellyanne Conway's daughter is on one level quite entertaining, but actually quite sad and depressing as well.#shitparenting
Post by: mj2sexay on July 04, 2020, 06:22:27 AM
Trump at Mt. Rushmore on July 4th is about as heavy-handed lame as it gets....watch they play that cringe-worthy pos Goober ballad "God Bless the USA" ("and I'm proud to be an american" - lee greenwood).
Me, fwiw I always thought that Mt. Rushmore thing was a crass piece of donkeydick and if I were prez it'd be sandblasted to smithereens and given back to the Sioux. Bad enough the land was stolen from them by the US gov't reneging on a treaty. What's more they ought to erase that bas relief vandalism on Stone Mt. (Ga.) as well.
lol, cry about it.
Give up Manhattan while you're at it.
This whole business with George and Kellyanne Conway's daughter is on one level quite entertaining, but actually quite sad and depressing as well.
Considering the completely pathetic and utterly embarrassing conduct of that fat piece of excrement towards his wife over the last four years, why wouldn't their daughter be a disrespectful guttersnipe?
Post by: Johnny English on July 04, 2020, 06:49:02 AM
Considering the completely pathetic and utterly embarrassing conduct of that fat piece of excrement towards his wife over the last four years, why wouldn't their daughter be a disrespectful guttersnipe?
I understand that you see everything through the lens of your partisan goggles, but I hadn't realised that they were so opaque as to prevent you from see the point completely.
Take them off and try again.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 04, 2020, 08:18:43 AM
I understand that you see everything through the lens of your partisan goggles, but I hadn't realised that they were so opaque as to prevent you from see the point completely.
Take them off and try again.
As always, the law of mirrors applies.
My take is decidedly non-partisan. His conduct has been absolutely pathetic on a million levels. He's literally grifted his way into having 15 minutes on the back of continually disrespecting his wife.
Could you imagine if there were a female member of the Obama administration who's husband took to Fox News every freaking second to demean her boss and for that matter her position? I can promise you I'd have the ability to call it cringe as freak.
Post by: Johnny English on July 04, 2020, 08:20:24 AM
As always, the law of mirrors applies.
My take is decidedly non-partisan. His conduct has been absolutely pathetic on a million levels. He's literally grifted his way into having 15 minutes on the back of continually disrespecting his wife.
Could you imagine if there were a female member of the Obama administration who's husband took to Fox News every freaking second to demean her boss and for that matter her position? I can promise you I'd have the ability to call it cringe as freak.
Again you miss the point completely.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 04, 2020, 08:23:24 AM
Again you miss the point completely.
No u
Post by: Badger on July 05, 2020, 10:54:39 AM
Post by: delavan on July 05, 2020, 03:45:03 PM
lol, cry about it.
Give up Manhattan while you're at it.
Whiff. Gutzon Borglum, Mount Rushmore's design sculptor and project overseer was a member of the Ku Klux Klan - 'lol' at that.
Your manhattan equivalency's another swing-and-a-miss as well.
Post by: Johnny English on July 05, 2020, 03:57:12 PM
The correct position on the Conways: who cares
..... still not my point.
Seeing as you and mj are way more interested in your political posturing than actually bothering with thinking or even asking, did you see or hear about this?
https://deadline.com/2020/07/claudia-conway-george-kellyanne-twitter-sorry-marriage-failed-1202977251/
My point when I said this
This whole business with George and Kellyanne Conway's daughter is on one level quite entertaining, but actually quite sad and depressing as well.
was that I feel pretty bad for a 15 year old girl growing up in such a dysfunctional family environment. It's frankly freaking disgusting that someone would label her things like a "disrespectful guttersnipe" for having the temerity to a) be born into a family in the public eye, and b) have opinions. It's superficially amusing, but actually quite sad that through no fault of her own she's not able to be a normal teenager without grown adults who should know better in the media and society in general making her part of their shitty partisan narratives.
Post by: delavan on July 05, 2020, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: Johnny English
and b) have opinions.
"sorry your marriage failed" in that snot-nosed spirit is hardly an opinion per se imho, and sarcastically mocking your parents' marriage to the world (even if she is only 15) is a pretty cunty thing to do.
Speaking of 15, I can see a beautiful bouncing mulatto addition to the Conway household in 2022. : )
Post by: Johnny English on July 05, 2020, 04:38:49 PM
"sorry your marriage failed" in that snot-nosed spirit is hardly an opinion per se, and sarcastically mocking your parents' marriage to the world--even if she is only 15--is a pretty cunty thing to do. Speaking of 15, I can see a beautiful bouncing mulatto addition to the Conway household in 2022. : )
15 year olds are cunty. They have half baked views formed from their limited experience of the world, they're hormonal and over excitable and generally hugely irritating. I've been a 15 year old, which is why I know I want nothing to do with them 30 years on.
I'm just sympathetic to the thought of someone having to be one in the public sphere of that family, and I think it's massively hypocritical to say "leave Barron out of it" at the same time as "she's a disrespectful guttersnipe".
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 05, 2020, 06:14:47 PM
"sorry your marriage failed" in that snot-nosed spirit is hardly an opinion per se imho, and sarcastically mocking your parents' marriage to the world (even if she is only 15) is a pretty cunty thing to do.
Speaking of 15, I can see a beautiful bouncing mulatto addition to the Conway household in 2022. : )
This is one of the worst things I have read.
Post by: delavan on July 05, 2020, 06:58:10 PM
This is one of the worst things I have read.
The first part or a mere joke (however irreverent) below it?
Post by: mj2sexay on July 05, 2020, 07:24:21 PM
I'm just sympathetic to the thought of someone having to be one in the public sphere of that family, and I think it's massively hypocritical to say "leave Barron out of it" at the same time as "she's a disrespectful guttersnipe".
Lmao, see if you can spot the difference. One is actively thrusting herself in the public eye. No one cared about her until she went on her TicToc and decided to act like a petulant brat.
I actually pity her as well considering the example set by her father.
Post by: Badger on July 05, 2020, 07:53:05 PM
..... still not my point.Who cares
Seeing as you and mj are way more interested in your political posturing than actually bothering with thinking or even asking, did you see or hear about this?
https://deadline.com/2020/07/claudia-conway-george-kellyanne-twitter-sorry-marriage-failed-1202977251/
My point when I said this
was that I feel pretty bad for a 15 year old girl growing up in such a dysfunctional family environment. It's frankly freaking disgusting that someone would label her things like a "disrespectful guttersnipe" for having the temerity to a) be born into a family in the public eye, and b) have opinions. It's superficially amusing, but actually quite sad that through no fault of her own she's not able to be a normal teenager without grown adults who should know better in the media and society in general making her part of their shitty partisan narratives.
Post by: Johnny English on July 05, 2020, 07:59:57 PM
Lmao, see if you can spot the difference. One is actively thrusting herself in the public eye. No one cared about her until she went on her TicToc and decided to act like a petulant brat.
I actually pity her as well considering the example set by her father.
All 15 year olds put their excrement on social media.
Kids are not part of this excrement, period. Please re-examine your position here - her family bullshit is being aired by the media and she's being hung out to dry despite her having no choice in being the child of people in the public eye. Your view basically amounts to "she should either not behave like a normal 15 year old by not doing social media, or accept the public consequences of behaving like one". You know I respect you personally despite our fundamentally different political views, but if you're making the Conway kid fair game because you hate her dad then by those rules Barron is also fair game, and I don't think that any kid is.
Post by: Johnny English on July 05, 2020, 08:00:25 PM
Who cares
I think that there's a certain level of basic decency that people should observe.
Post by: Badger on July 05, 2020, 08:09:28 PM
I think that there's a certain level of basic decency that people should observe.That went out the window a few years back. No sense in trying to appeal to a standard that no longer exists.
Post by: Johnny English on July 06, 2020, 09:26:44 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UAdmMyQ.png)
Post by: bojanglesman on July 06, 2020, 09:45:36 AM
That being said, the election is a ways off and anything can happen. Sure looks like Biden has it locked up, but I will never say never until it's over. Biden's handlers have been very smart keeping him under wraps as much as possible. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Post by: Badger on July 06, 2020, 11:23:34 AM
Oddly enough, I don't think there's much left he can say to alienate anyone else left in his base. He could come out and say the Confederate flag should be the new American flag and I don't think he'd lose any votes. I don't know what he could say that would turn off his voters. I think the voters that can be turned off by him are already gone. The ones left will justify anything he does.
Overall I'd say this is accurate, at least more accurate than the libs trying to make an appeal to "decency", but let's not underestimate the portion of voters who are just going to vote against the Dems no matter what. So it's not entirely uncritical unwavering support of Trump as it is not caring about his flaws because they detest the alternative.
Trump definitely has a more genuine base of support than Biden, but he doesn't win without the "anybody but the Dem vote".
Post by: bojanglesman on July 06, 2020, 12:02:43 PM
Overall I'd say this is accurate, at least more accurate than the libs trying to make an appeal to "decency", but let's not underestimate the portion of voters who are just going to vote against the Dems no matter what. So it's not entirely uncritical unwavering support of Trump as it is not caring about his flaws because they detest the alternative.
Trump definitely has a more genuine base of support than Biden, but he doesn't win without the "anybody but the Dem vote".
An important segment of the population is the Republican segment that just won't vote at all because Trump is making their stomach turn, but can't vote for any democrat. Those people are a sort-of win for democrats. For them, that might be the best win they can get as opposed to fully converting voters.
Post by: Badger on July 06, 2020, 12:30:38 PM
An important segment of the population is the Republican segment that just won't vote at all because Trump is making their stomach turn, but can't vote for any democrat. Those people are a sort-of win for democrats. For them, that might be the best win they can get as opposed to fully converting voters.
The Dem consultant class is obsessed with these people and the entire Biden campaign is built around signaling to them.
The promise that "nothing will fundamentally change" except a few names and colors.
Post by: insanity on July 06, 2020, 12:37:51 PM
Cancel culture strikes again.
(https://i.imgur.com/UAdmMyQ.png)
Pretty funny seeing how he condemned it and labelled it a liberal on July 4th.
I also don't understand how promoting news organizations and books of people the pres is friends with is legal.
Post by: insanity on July 06, 2020, 12:38:56 PM
As much as I don't want Biden to being president, I think many republicans will have an easier time swallowing the JB pill than any of the other candidates.
The Dem consultant class is obsessed with these people and the entire Biden campaign is built around signaling to them.
The promise that "nothing will fundamentally change" except a few names and colors.
It wasn't the safest option to avoiding another 4 years of Trump.
Post by: Badger on July 06, 2020, 01:18:15 PM
As much as I don't want Biden to being president, I think many republicans will have an easier time swallowing the JB pill than any of the other candidates.
It wasn't the safest option to avoiding another 4 years of Trump.
Given the current situation any of the top 5 dems would be leading Trump right now. There are other groups of winnable eligible voters besides soft conservatives. The people who made Biden nominee don't get to hide behind some air of wise caution.
Post by: Heismanberg on July 06, 2020, 01:38:43 PM
lmao
Post by: delavan on July 06, 2020, 02:05:59 PM
The promise that "nothing will fundamentally change" except a few names and colors.
Quote
We're going to beat Donald Trump. And when we do, we won't just rebuild this nation — we'll transform it.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1279928045093228545
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Post by: CatoTheElder on July 07, 2020, 05:36:39 PM
https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1280570859707445249?s=21 (https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1280570859707445249?s=21)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2020, 06:27:01 AM
Quote
Mary Trump says her uncle is a sociopath, suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, as well as a long undiagnosed learning disability.
Also: Mary Trump holds a Doctorate in Clinical Psychology.
Dang, no way, Ive thought he was really smart and normal for a long time now
Post by: MBGreen on July 08, 2020, 12:01:41 PM
What the freak is this clown doing
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 08, 2020, 12:06:51 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 09, 2020, 09:20:07 AM
EDIT: Opinion has been posted. Thomas and Alito both wrote separate dissenting opinions. Chief Justice Roberts delivered the opinion.
SCOTUS Blog (https://twitter.com/scotusblog/status/1281230006283382790?s=21)
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2020, 11:51:20 AM
I do not apologize for making you picture that
Post by: bojanglesman on July 09, 2020, 12:21:02 PM
Rachel Maddow just sploogedfreak you.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200709/53038a9a0a0e92deddd75e0fdcc45f14.jpg)
I do not apologize for making you picture that
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2020, 12:41:28 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 09, 2020, 01:19:30 PM
Trump v. Vance: SCOTUS rules subpoenas to a sitting president do not have to meet a higher standard. It looks like Kavanaugh and Gorsuch both ruled against Trump.
EDIT: Opinion has been posted. Thomas and Alito both wrote separate dissenting opinions. Chief Justice Roberts delivered the opinion.
SCOTUS Blog (https://twitter.com/scotusblog/status/1281230006283382790?s=21)
Presumably it won't make a difference as his returns are still under audit, but just as soon as they're done he'll be more than happy to release them. Promise and pinky swear.
Post by: Johnny English on July 10, 2020, 07:39:14 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 10, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
Post by: MoreCharacters on July 10, 2020, 11:09:21 PM
Today marks the beginning of days that will be worse than 9/11 according to JE
according to the COVID-19 death-tolls, JE was right
what a prescient inauguration post
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 12, 2020, 10:40:16 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2020, 10:45:29 AM
https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1282148007232901121?s=21
I had to read that a couple of times to figure it out, and then I loled.
Post by: Johnny English on July 12, 2020, 08:38:43 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/12/politics/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria/index.html
bUt wE nEeD tO rUn tHe cOuNtRy lIkE a BuSiNeSs
Post by: Badger on July 13, 2020, 02:57:26 PM
https://twitter.com/LouisPeitzman/status/1282731547016208384?s=19
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 14, 2020, 03:39:56 AM
either his staff hasn't told him how stupid it makes him look saying excrement like that, or they have and he hasn't caught on/doesn't care and chooses to continue to say it. either way, indefensible
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 14, 2020, 07:20:27 AM
trump is still saying the reason we have so many positive cases is because of the amount of testing we do, and that if we did less testing things would be so much better
either his staff hasn't told him how stupid it makes him look saying excrement like that, or they have and he hasn't caught on/doesn't care and chooses to continue to say it. either way, indefensible
I think he’s either fired or forced the resignation of everyone who disagrees with him, aside from Fauci.
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2020, 07:30:45 AM
trump is still saying the reason we have so many positive cases is because of the amount of testing we do, and that if we did less testing things would be so much betterAlso the problem is that Obama didn't do enough testing.
either his staff hasn't told him how stupid it makes him look saying excrement like that, or they have and he hasn't caught on/doesn't care and chooses to continue to say it. either way, indefensible
https://theweek.com/speedreads-amp/925307/trump-complains-biden-obama-stopped-coronavirus-testing-even-though-didnt-exist-during-administration
Post by: Badger on July 15, 2020, 03:37:25 PM
https://www.facebook.com/153080620724/posts/10165090554180725/
Post by: Johnny English on July 16, 2020, 07:34:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/iuEKGAt.png)
Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2020, 08:23:56 PM
Can anyone explain how it's acceptable for the current President to be advertising a product sitting at the Resolute Desk? Is it legal? I can't get my head round this one.No.
(https://i.imgur.com/iuEKGAt.png)
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 16, 2020, 08:39:06 PM
Can anyone explain how it's acceptable for the current President to be advertising a product sitting at the Resolute Desk? Is it legal? I can't get my head round this one.
(https://i.imgur.com/iuEKGAt.png)
It's not.
Post by: dcm1602 on July 16, 2020, 08:42:57 PM
Can anyone explain how it's acceptable for the current President to be advertising a product sitting at the Resolute Desk? Is it legal? I can't get my head round this one.
(https://i.imgur.com/iuEKGAt.png)
I mean if he's not being compensated and there's no evidence of a quid pro quo
Then technically how's it any different from the president wearing a shirt with a Nike Emblem on it or something?
Post by: bojanglesman on July 16, 2020, 08:58:05 PM
I mean if he's not being compensated and there's no evidence of a quid pro quoYou just can't agree with anything, huh?
Then technically how's it any different from the president wearing a shirt with a Nike Emblem on it or something?
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 16, 2020, 09:29:31 PM
https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/ (https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/)
Post by: delavan on July 16, 2020, 09:57:40 PM
Can anyone explain how it's acceptable for the current President to be advertising a product sitting at the Resolute Desk? Is it legal? I can't get my head round this one.
No.
It's not.
I mean if he's not being compensated and there's no evidence of a quid pro quo
Then technically how's it any different from the president wearing a shirt with a Nike Emblem on it or something?
This was Trump being Trump. Boycott Goya becomes the latest "outrage du jour" and Trump being Trump goes into Trump-the-Troll mode, says "hold my beer n' watch this" knowing full well the #outrage it will engender (this shouldn't be a surprise by now--it's his m.o.). Trump's being a prick: "So you're gonna boycott Goya because they said nice things about me? Ok, watch this!"
Post by: Badger on July 17, 2020, 01:39:38 PM
This is fine. Militarized federal law enforcement agents with no visible identifying markings snatching up people in unmarked minivans is a sign of a completely healthy and functioning democracy.Being asked to wear a mask at Dairy Queen is tyranny, meanwhile...
https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/ (https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/)
Post by: Johnny English on July 17, 2020, 03:20:23 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-sent-380000-to-business-in-2-days-2020-7
Post by: bojanglesman on July 17, 2020, 03:46:05 PM
Clock is ticking and the final grift is in full swing.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-sent-380000-to-business-in-2-days-2020-7
I wouldn't be surprised if he drops out at some point so he doesn't have to admit he lost.
Post by: reuben on July 17, 2020, 03:55:26 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he drops out at some point so he doesn't have to admit he lost.
I still consider his victory a foregone conclusion until I'm proven wrong.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 17, 2020, 05:21:34 PM
I still consider his victory a foregone conclusion until I'm proven wrong.Me too. I thought Hillary had him beat 100%.
Him and Belichick: I won't count them out until they are dead.
Post by: Badger on July 20, 2020, 03:09:19 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1285299379746811915?s=19
Post by: reuben on July 20, 2020, 05:16:55 PM
Mask-wearing cuck
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1285299379746811915?s=19
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Mrs. Krassenstein
@HKrassenstein
Replying to
@realDonaldTrump
107 days after Biden encourages people to wear face masks, Trump finally admits that Joe Biden was right!
Hot take: people who politicize mask-wearing in either direction deserve covid.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 20, 2020, 08:55:37 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 21, 2020, 08:57:14 AM
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
How has Mrs. Krassenstein not been banned yetDat Soros money
Post by: Johnny English on July 21, 2020, 05:59:17 PM
Donald wishes the accused child sex trafficker well. Is he even trying any more?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 21, 2020, 06:29:07 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ghislaine-maxwell-prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-a9631351.html
Donald wishes the accused child sex trafficker well. Is he even trying any more?
What the freak
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2020, 06:56:38 PM
https://twitter.com/MarkLandler/status/1285707214540476417?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 21, 2020, 07:26:40 PM
lolWoody
https://twitter.com/MarkLandler/status/1285707214540476417?s=19
Aside from the massive ethics violation, it's really funny reading tweets from people who didn't realize that Woody Johnson was someone's name until now.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 21, 2020, 08:20:08 PM
Sent from my SM-G970U1 using Tapatalk
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2020, 09:13:20 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-bans-7-000-qanon-accounts-limits-150-000-others-n1234541
Post by: Johnny English on July 21, 2020, 10:52:23 PM
lmaoIrrelevant. Takes 48 hours to create a new boogeyman, takes Twitter 3 years to give a excrement about it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-bans-7-000-qanon-accounts-limits-150-000-others-n1234541
If you care about democracy, delete Twitter.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 22, 2020, 09:05:36 AM
Irrelevant. Takes 48 hours to create a new boogeyman, takes Twitter 3 years to give a excrement about it.
If you care about democracy, delete Twitter.
https://twitter.com/mufaa6/status/1278101728068583425?s=21
Post by: Johnny English on July 22, 2020, 06:46:22 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 22, 2020, 07:06:18 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/22/trumps-actions-portland-are-controversial-man-spearheading-them-might-be-doing-so-illegally
I would love to see Chad Wolf in federal prison.
Post by: Badger on July 22, 2020, 07:33:20 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 23, 2020, 10:08:57 PM
If nobody is going to stop you or hold you accountable is it really illegal?
Trumps administration in a nutshell
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2020, 11:00:12 AM
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1287397582134812679?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 26, 2020, 01:47:15 PM
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2020, 05:09:21 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on July 26, 2020, 05:34:39 PM
Kill me"Bojangles almost died of being held down and smothered by the perky breasts of Officer Titsinger during a protest. No complaint was filed. Officer Titsinger later received a dick pic and some Tostitos at her desk."
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200726/bdfa879da17b8643d13483b2f438bef3.jpg)
Post by: reuben on July 26, 2020, 05:45:41 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2020, 05:54:44 PM
I for one want to hear more about The Adventures of Officer Titsinger.
(https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/3139/62773220/original/sgt-debbie-callahan-photo-u1?w=333&h=333&fit=crop&crop=faces&q=50&fm=pjpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on July 26, 2020, 06:26:49 PM
(https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/3139/62773220/original/sgt-debbie-callahan-photo-u1?w=333&h=333&fit=crop&crop=faces&q=50&fm=pjpg)My eighth grade fantasy.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200726/a35cd0cb6a76768857fbcc7f5f828c67.gif)
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 03:47:39 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-john-lewis-capital-rotunda-washington-dc-joe-biden-a9640886.html
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 06:23:54 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on July 27, 2020, 06:33:09 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1287880895051907072?s=19Illegal?
Post by: Badger on July 27, 2020, 06:35:38 PM
Illegal?Maybe he got an idea somewhere
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/07/turkey-erdogan-vows-social-media-controls-insults-family-200701112027760.html
Post by: Johnny English on July 27, 2020, 09:54:19 PM
Trump Announced, Then Canceled, a Yankees Pitch. Both Came as a Surprise. https://nyti.ms/3jLutQE
Post by: MBGreen on July 29, 2020, 10:33:25 AM
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it's her 71st birthday today. #CallahanGilfTitties
Post by: Badger on July 29, 2020, 11:40:24 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 29, 2020, 11:42:56 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 30, 2020, 09:49:47 AM
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Ex-presidential candidate Herman Cain attended Trump’s Tulsa rally on June 20 without a mask. He came down with Covid-19 in early July. He has now died of Coronavirus.
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2020, 01:54:14 PM
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2020, 01:56:34 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on July 31, 2020, 01:57:45 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on July 31, 2020, 02:34:36 PM
Post by: Badger on July 31, 2020, 06:21:58 PM
why the fvck does he always make his face and mouth like that when he talksWow so much for the tolerant left
Post by: Johnny English on July 31, 2020, 06:24:12 PM
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/897724197/citing-election-delay-tweet-influential-trump-ally-now-demands-his-re-impeachmen
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 31, 2020, 06:47:23 PM
I'm not quite sure how a Republican POTUS loses the Federalist Society, but here we are.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/897724197/citing-election-delay-tweet-influential-trump-ally-now-demands-his-re-impeachmen
You misspelled fascist.
Post by: AlioTheFool on July 31, 2020, 09:35:02 PM
why the fvck does he always make his face and mouth like that when he talks
I thought you were in the medical field. Don't you know how an poopchute works?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 31, 2020, 10:25:26 PM
Post by: Badger on August 02, 2020, 01:26:57 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 02, 2020, 04:20:44 PM
Normally don't care about this stupid sideshow, but lol(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200802/10f7e6a75ba434d565a3cc1f4db3a93b.jpg)
i think this was one of the most annoying parts of dcm's outburst the other night
imagined in his head that people here were happy about cain's death as it gave him an opportunity to criticize BLM and say we were happy about a black person's death lol, rather than criticize the president/admin/support base whose misguidance RE the pandemic led him to attend one of THEIR rallies without proper protection, which ultimately resulted in his contraction of the virus and death. but it was you guys that didn't care about a black person's life
Post by: bojanglesman on August 02, 2020, 04:28:40 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 02, 2020, 04:39:26 PM
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Post by: mj2sexay on August 03, 2020, 07:17:24 PM
i think this was one of the most annoying parts of dcm's outburst the other night
imagined in his head that people here were happy about cain's death as it gave him an opportunity to criticize BLM and say we were happy about a black person's death lol, rather than criticize the president/admin/support base whose misguidance RE the pandemic led him to attend one of THEIR rallies without proper protection, which ultimately resulted in his contraction of the virus and death. but it was you guys that didn't care about a black person's life
dcm said nothing wrong.
BLM should be criticized for the collectivist horseshit it is at every turn.
Black Lives Matter. The formal political organization behind it is freaking garbage. You'll notice no one is asking someone like Jonathan Isaac why he feels as though wearing that shirt doesn't coincide with the message it portrays. It's an inconvenient truth so to speak.
Anyway, I'm glad you've been able to pinpoint conclusively that Trump's Tulsa rally is where Cain contracted the virus, despite of course no one else in that now famous picture coming down with COVID, or the fact that Herman lived a very transient lifestyle in terms of usage of public transportation.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 03, 2020, 07:41:32 PM
That's not at all what transient means.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 03, 2020, 07:50:43 PM
The COVID-19 cases surged heavily following the Trump rally but let's just ignore that part.
That's not at all what transient means.
Its so interesting that the same people making this argument are the ones who assert that there's absolutely no connection between say, a yuge, mass protest in Austin, and cases spiking in Texas. Nah, nothing to see here.
But hey, evil black conservative (or as so many skinny white liberals liked to call him, an 'uncle tom") dies and we didn't like his politics, so lets dunk on him!
Absolutely ghoulish.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 03, 2020, 08:07:40 PM
Its so interesting that the same people making this argument are the ones who assert that there's absolutely no connection between say, a yuge, mass protest in Austin, and cases spiking in Texas. Nah, nothing to see here.
But hey, evil black conservative (or as so many skinny white liberals liked to call him, an 'uncle tom") dies and we didn't like his politics, so lets dunk on him!
Absolutely ghoulish.
Texas had already on the no travel list for the Navy since March and their positive test counts and infection rates have been high since April. George Floyd's murder and the subsequent protests occurred on May so Texas was trending that way well before the protests. The only thing keeping their numbers low in the early stages was the lack of adequate testing and reporting. It's also a state which saw a high level of anti-quarantine protests and opened up their businesses prematurely. So it's like there could be multiple contributing factors.
My favorite little couplet here is that the Trump Rally was sold as a mask optional event, an option Cain infamously passed on, but nearly every photo of protestors has them wearing masks if not straight up gas masks.
If you want to complain about ahitty people praising someone's death on the internet in general or this board in particular you can go look through the obituary column or even DCM's own comments on George Floyd.
Post by: Badger on August 03, 2020, 09:29:32 PM
Post by: IATA on August 04, 2020, 05:29:08 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 04, 2020, 06:34:45 PM
I'm hoping I can get to beautiful Yo Semite in the next year or so, love it out there and my kids will tooI'm yosemitic
Post by: Heismanberg on August 04, 2020, 06:46:09 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 06, 2020, 08:47:44 AM
https://www.syracuse.com/state/2020/08/ny-ag-letitia-james-to-make-major-announcement-after-deutsche-bank-turns-over-trump-finances.html
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2020, 10:10:38 AM
"Major announcement" today at 11:30 AM from NY Attorney General's office. Rumors of it relating to Trump, but it'll probably be no big deal.She found the pee tapes
https://www.syracuse.com/state/2020/08/ny-ag-letitia-james-to-make-major-announcement-after-deutsche-bank-turns-over-trump-finances.html
Post by: bojanglesman on August 06, 2020, 10:16:32 AM
She found the pee tapes..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200806/41852c6393bc9b2ad1af8279afba781c.gif)
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2020, 10:41:55 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 06, 2020, 10:46:21 AM
She's going after the NRA. That's it.
Sounds like a fairly wide ranging set of offenses, and they're specifically targetting LaPierre as well as three other senior officials.
Post by: Badger on August 07, 2020, 12:37:27 PM
Sounds like a fairly wide ranging set of offenses, and they're specifically targetting LaPierre as well as three other senior officials.https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/1291406413269368832?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on August 07, 2020, 12:41:25 PM
https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/1291406413269368832?s=19
Holy excrement
Post by: bojanglesman on August 08, 2020, 11:29:41 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/08/trump-antagonizes-sheldon-adelson-phone-call-392688
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 08, 2020, 01:35:01 PM
What a dummy.Two of the absolute worst people in America.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/08/trump-antagonizes-sheldon-adelson-phone-call-392688
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2020, 04:28:14 PM
What a dummy.The what
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/08/trump-antagonizes-sheldon-adelson-phone-call-392688
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left-leaning super PACs
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2020, 06:55:51 PM
Surely the American people will thank the Dems for their strict adherence to legislative procedure
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 08, 2020, 07:33:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 08, 2020, 07:39:22 PM
BREAKING: Trump signs executive orders to extend unemployment benefits, provide a payroll tax holiday, defer student loan payments and extend the federal moratorium on evictions, after talks in Congress collapsed; Democrats vow to sue the President - CNBC
Surely the American people will thank the Dems for their strict adherence to legislative procedure
Apparently he's also going to sign one to force insurers to cover pre-existing conditions. Orange man going full BarryO.
P.S. Payroll tax reductions are not in any way, shape or form a good thing.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 08, 2020, 07:51:23 PM
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2020, 08:08:01 PM
Apparently he's also going to sign one to force insurers to cover pre-existing conditions. Orange man going full BarryO.
P.S. Payroll tax reductions are not in any way, shape or form a good thing.
Yeah, that one is the one with the most downsides but it does provide some small boost.
Everything else there is pretty good.
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2020, 08:09:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 08, 2020, 08:48:49 PM
Yeah, that one is the one with the most downsides but it does provide some small boost.
Everything else there is pretty good.
Sure. How is he planning on funding these things? Doesn't he need Congress to approve that? Haven't they just spent the last few weeks failing to do so?
Post by: Johnny English on August 08, 2020, 08:55:58 PM
Can't wait until 2021 when Social Security gets cut and they blame the 5 months of missing payroll taxes and pretend there was nothing else they could do. Bipartisanship!
Never mind the missing 5 months, he said this evening that if he gets re-elected the cuts will be made permanent.
Post by: Johnny English on August 09, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
Yeah, that one is the one with the most downsides but it does provide some small boost.
Apparently it's a deferral, so not really.
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Everything else there is pretty good.
How? He can't just magick new money into existence with an EO, so how is any of this funded? He could issue an EO ordering free cheese and wine for everyone but it doesn't mean it would happen.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 09, 2020, 11:33:07 AM
States get zero federal dollars for extended unemployment if they don't match with 25%, which lots say they can't.
Suspending evictions longer is fine, but not without consequences. Smaller landlords may go delinquent on their mortgages with no rent money coming in. Not saying they are more important than renters, but there are consequences. There needs to be some sort of temporary rent assistance instead of delaying evictions so money flows to landlords to help prevent downstream complications.
Extending student loan forbearance needs to be done properly so they aren't punished on credit reports for not making payments. That was done with the CARES act, but no indication it will be here. We'll see.
Payroll tax holiday is the dumbest of all. It doesn't help people without jobs, it worsens the social security and medicare deficits, and isn't even real, just a delay. Employers may not even stop withholding it in fear of being unable to pay if it all comes due at once later on, so you may get no temporary benefit.
This is just Trump trying to throw money at a problem without authority to do so and in a retarded manner that will create more problems than it helps. Again, it's an effort to appear like he's helping, for political reasons. As usual, he's just an idiot seagull flying in, shitting all over everything, and flying away. He's just shitting out a solution and handing it off to lawyers, just like he does everything.
Hopefully these are the final death throes of this idiot and surrounding leeches and we can just run out the clock until Biden gets in and hopefully just manages not to make things worse for 4 years. Maybe we are lucky and Biden gets us off the ledge and back into just "bad".
Post by: Badger on August 09, 2020, 06:33:22 PM
Apparently it's a deferral, so not really.
How? He can't just magick new money into existence with an EO, so how is any of this funded? He could issue an EO ordering free cheese and wine for everyone but it doesn't mean it would happen.
He doesn't have to pay for it. He SHOULD assist states paying UI. The rest doesn't require a funding mechanism.
Post by: Johnny English on August 09, 2020, 06:36:52 PM
He doesn't have to pay for it. He SHOULD assist states paying UI. The rest doesn't require a funding mechanism.
Except that the only way he can do that is to use the unspent covid funding which will then not be spent on things like testing, so... you can see the problem with that, right? And why that would be an appealing thing to Trump?
I can't believe you actually believe that "the rest doesn't require a funding mechanism". Of course it does and you know that. (This is where you post your meme about money printer.)
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2020, 10:06:02 AM
Except that the only way he can do that is to use the unspent covid funding which will then not be spent on things like testing, so... you can see the problem with that, right? And why that would be an appealing thing to Trump?Learn macro
I can't believe you actually believe that "the rest doesn't require a funding mechanism". Of course it does and you know that. (This is where you post your meme about money printer.)
Post by: MBGreen on August 10, 2020, 10:40:31 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2020, 12:46:26 PM
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Here's the heart of the one on evictions. As you can see, it doesn't create an eviction moratorium. It asks certain federal agencies to see if they can maybe do something on evictions.
In a similar vein, I will be instructing my employer to provide me with a 50% pay rise.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 10, 2020, 12:58:19 PM
"Unconstitutional slop" (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-stimulus-orders-dont-seem-to-be-feasible-or-legal-experts-say-2020-08-08?mod=article_inline)I'll see if I can do something for you.
In a similar vein, I will be instructing my employer to provide me with a 50% pay rise.
*Prrrrrts
Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2020, 11:39:20 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-spanish-flu-probably-ended-wwii-began-decades-later-2020-8
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2020, 12:39:41 AM
Come on now, at what point do you have to just pull the freaking plug and admit that this guy isn't mentally freaking competent to stand for another 4 years?
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-spanish-flu-probably-ended-wwii-began-decades-later-2020-8
Trump says more than enough dumb things to insult his intelligence over.
Him saying it probably ended the second world war, when it may have been a factor in ending world War 1 is far from one of his bigger gaffes
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2020, 08:13:13 AM
Come on now, at what point do you have to just pull the freaking plug and admit that this guy isn't mentally freaking competent to stand for another 4 years?
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-spanish-flu-probably-ended-wwii-began-decades-later-2020-8
This would be a pretty valid point if we weren’t trying to jam Joe Biden into office
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2020, 08:15:50 AM
Trump says more than enough dumb things to insult his intelligence over.
Him saying it probably ended the second world war, when it may have been a factor in ending world War 1 is far from one of his bigger gaffes
The average 8 year old knows the dates of the First and Second World Wars.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 11, 2020, 08:19:43 AM
This would be a pretty valid point if we weren’t trying to jam Joe Biden into officeBiden is smart enough to include his staff in decisions, even if he is declining.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2020, 08:30:41 AM
The average 8 year old knows the dates of the First and Second World Wars.
American/World history starts a couple grades later based on my experience and the only dates I was remembering at that age was for the War of 1812
I also remember being taught much more about the Revolutionary War and Civil War than either of the world wars. Next to nothing about Vietnam or the Gulf war. Also remembered WW1 being slightly glossed over and learning 2-3x the material about WW2. I’m sure everyone’s grade school experiences are different tho lol
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 09:29:53 AM
Biden is smart enough to include his staff in decisions, even if he is declining.His staff is also mostly bad people though. (Yes, JE, not as bad as Trump's entourage)
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 09:31:33 AM
American/World history starts a couple grades later based on my experience and the only dates I was remembering at that age was for the War of 1812Seconded
I also remember being taught much more about the Revolutionary War and Civil War than either of the world wars. Next to nothing about Vietnam or the Gulf war. Also remembered WW1 being slightly glossed over and learning 2-3x the material about WW2. I’m sure everyone’s grade school experiences are different tho lol
8 year old American basically knows Columbus, pilgrims, Thanksgiving, colonies, Revolution, Civil War
Post by: dcm1602 on August 11, 2020, 10:47:39 AM
The average 8 year old knows the dates of the First and Second World Wars.
The average college graduate does not
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2020, 11:55:42 AM
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2020, 09:10:30 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1293520377952567307?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2020, 09:38:20 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/us-election-2020/trump-twitter-kamala-harris-biden-democrats-animals-empire-state-building-2020-election-a9668526.html
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2020, 09:57:35 AM
Apparently the Democrats plan to abolish all animals and tear down the Empire State Building.Don't forget "attack and dethrone God"
https://www.independent.co.uk/us-election-2020/trump-twitter-kamala-harris-biden-democrats-animals-empire-state-building-2020-election-a9668526.html
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2020, 10:06:18 AM
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2020, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 13, 2020, 03:42:37 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelCohen212/status/1293993984772145154?s=19
Who actually buys these books? We know the papers are going to print the interesting bits anyway.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 13, 2020, 04:03:16 PM
Who actually buys these books? We know the papers are going to print the interesting bits anyway.Marxists
Post by: Badger on August 13, 2020, 04:46:47 PM
Who actually buys these books? We know the papers are going to print the interesting bits anyway.The imaginary people waiting to be swayed by John Kasich
Post by: bojanglesman on August 13, 2020, 05:32:04 PM
"From golden showers in a sex club in Vegas, to tax fraud, to deals with corrupt officials from the former Soviet Union, to catch and kill conspiracies to silence Trump’s clandestine lovers, I wasn’t just a witness to the president’s rise—I was an active and eager participant."Return of the peepee rumors.
Post by: Badger on August 14, 2020, 07:04:34 PM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-seizes-four-tankers-carrying-142826011.html
Post by: Johnny English on August 17, 2020, 05:54:05 PM
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Mr Taylor also claimed that the president had directed the Federal Emergency Management Agency to "cut off the money and no longer give individual assistance" to people in California following deadly wildfires in the state.
"He told us to stop giving money to people whose houses have burned down in a wildfire because he was so rageful that people in the state of California didn't support him and that politically it wasn't a base for him," Mr Taylor said.
Imagine living in New York and then some kind of event happens - I dunno, let's call it Hurricane Randy or something - and then the President says "nah, freak you, you didn't vote for me so you ain't getting excrement". Do you blame:
a) people in New York who voted for the other guy, or
b) the President?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 17, 2020, 06:08:36 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/miles-taylor-video-donald-trump-dhs-biden-2020-election-border-a9675001.htmlHurricane Randy would be so badass. He would wreck all NY's excrement, steal your liquor and take a dump on the way out without flushing.
Imagine living in New York and then some kind of event happens - I dunno, let's call it Hurricane Randy or something - and then the President says "nah, freak you, you didn't vote for me so you ain't getting excrement". Do you blame:
a) people in New York who voted for the other guy, or
b) the President?
Post by: Badger on August 17, 2020, 06:21:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 17, 2020, 06:32:44 PM
https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1295483079662997504?s=19
dafuq
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 18, 2020, 09:37:22 AM
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BREAKING: President Trump will pardon Susan B. Anthony, found guilty by an all-male jury of illegal voting in 1872 presidential election.
Yuge
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2020, 09:43:51 AM
Yuge
So what he's saying is that it's OK to vote illegally as long as you're morally in the right? I can get behind that.
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2020, 10:27:08 AM
More liberal propaganda
Post by: bojanglesman on August 18, 2020, 10:38:49 AM
Yuge"Hey, pay attention to this instead."(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200818/6e2314c97e6a14c6b16edb1f1cf9f00c.gif)
Post by: delavan on August 18, 2020, 03:28:17 PM
Terrorist looting thugs!Thugs looting terrorists!
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-seizes-four-tankers-carrying-142826011.html
Foreign policy as (I suspect) a political distraction is inherently risky esp. post-Soleimani. This is Somali pirate-like reckless.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2020, 04:20:38 PM
Thugs looting terrorists!
Foreign policy as (I suspect) a political distraction is inherently risky esp. post-Soleimani. This is Somali pirate-like reckless.
Isn't the point of sanctions, to follow through on them?
Post by: delavan on August 18, 2020, 04:55:17 PM
Isn't the point of sanctions, to follow through on them?
https://news.usni.org/2019/08/29/u-s-power-to-seize-oiler-grace-1-now-under-iranian-flag-is-limited-by-international-law
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Under the law of the sea, the United States generally does not have the authority in peacetime to seize a vessel on the high seas or in the waters of another country. Countries may only enforce their laws within their waters, with the exception of vessels flying their flag, which they have authority over anywhere in the world. The United States must either wait until the vessel enters U.S. waters, which would likely never happen, or convince another country to recognize and enforce the warrant.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
https://news.usni.org/2019/08/29/u-s-power-to-seize-oiler-grace-1-now-under-iranian-flag-is-limited-by-international-law
I'm not suggesting that the US is going about it the right way
But after reading the article it's clear that the law is essentially worthless and Gibraltars only concern is getting their own ship back while blatantly ignoring the clues of the situation
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2020, 05:29:14 PM
But after reading the article it's clear that the law is essentially worthless and Gibraltars only concern is getting their own ship back while blatantly ignoring the clues of the situation
I am dying to hear how you came to this conclusion.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2020, 05:33:37 PM
I am dying to hear how you came to this conclusion.
By reading the article
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The tanker Grace 1 was boarded in the British Overseas Territory of Gibraltar by the British Royal Navy on July 4 as it passed through Gibraltar’s territorial waters. It was detained on suspicion that it was delivering Iranian oil to Syria in violation of European Union sanctions. Although flying a Panamanian flag when detained in Gibraltar, Panama stated that it had revoked the Grace 1’s registration over a month prior as part of its policy to remove vessels believed to be involved in sanctions violations.
Iran spoke up for the vessel, denying the Grace 1 was bound for Syria, even though the investigation revealed the vessel had planned a voyage to Syria and daily vessel reports and crew communications stated the vessel’s destination was Syria.
Shortly after the July 4 detention, Iran seized the British flag tanker Stena Imperio on allegations of multiple regulatory violations. The owners of the Stena Imperio deny any violations.
Gibraltar released the Grace 1 on August 15 in spite of a request by the United States to seize the vessel. Gibraltar’s chief minister stated that Iran had provided assurance that the vessel would not deliver the oil to Syria when released and so there was no longer grounds for detention.
Gibraltar did not agree to assist the United States in enforcing the warrant. It has been speculated that the Grace 1 was released in hopes of the release of the Stena Imperio, which is still being held by Iran.
Post by: delavan on August 18, 2020, 05:39:41 PM
I'm not suggesting that the US is going about it the right wayAnd that's precisely what I'm suggesting as well. That the 'law' may be toothless is betides the point.
But after reading the article it's clear that the law is essentially worthless and Gibraltars only concern is getting their own ship back while blatantly ignoring the clues of the situation
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2020, 05:44:40 PM
By reading the articleSo you read that and figured that Gibraltar wanted their ship back?
Post by: dcm1602 on August 18, 2020, 05:46:37 PM
So you read that and figured that Gibraltar wanted their ship back?
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Gibraltar did not agree to assist the United States in enforcing the warrant. It has been speculated that the Grace 1 was released in hopes of the release of the Stena Imperio, which is still being held by Iran.
More like they blatantly ignored Iran doing multiple extremely shady things because they wanted their ship back.
But Iran promised they wouldn't deliver it to Syria, so it's okay.
It's not like they faked documentation to hide under the guise of another nation and absolutely all the evidence pointed to them delivering it to Syria.
Post by: Johnny English on August 18, 2020, 05:53:16 PM
More like they blatantly ignored Iran doing multiple extremely shady things because they wanted their ship back.Stena Impero is a Swedish owned ship sailing under a British flag. Gibraltar doesn't have sovereignty - are you saying that the UK government overrode international sanctions and broke the law in order to get Iran to release the Impero?
But Iran promised they wouldn't deliver it to Syria, so it's okay.
It's not like they faked documentation to hide under the guise of another nation and absolutely all the evidence pointed to them delivering it to Syria.
Post by: Badger on August 18, 2020, 07:52:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2020, 11:59:11 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 20, 2020, 07:55:15 AM
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WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump declined Wednesday to disavow the QAnon movement, saying that the followers of the extreme conspiracy theory oppose violent protests and that "I've heard these are people who love our country."
When reminded by a reporter for NBC News that the movement's followers believe he is fighting to stop a satanic cult of pedophiles and cannibals, he asked: "Is that supposed to be a bad thing?"
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 20, 2020, 08:34:02 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 20, 2020, 08:42:00 AM
What. A. Joke. Of. A. Person.
He'll.Probably.Get.ReElected.Because.America.Isn't.Smart.
Present.Company.Excluded.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2020, 08:43:50 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/20/former-trump-advisor-steve-bannon-arrested-on-charges-of-defrauding-donors-in-fundraising-scheme.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 20, 2020, 08:49:36 AM
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BREAKING / NBC News: Former advisor to President Trump, Steve Bannon, and four others have been indicted for illegally funneling money from the "We Build The Wall" fund.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 20, 2020, 08:59:15 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2020, 09:04:29 AM
Put him in prison.He already looks kinda dead.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 20, 2020, 09:17:54 AM
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1296442475993849863?s=19 (https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1296442475993849863?s=19)
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2020, 09:20:06 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 20, 2020, 09:23:45 AM
First the NRA, now Bannon. I wonder how long the people who are willingly financially supporting these people will take to figure out that their heroes and champions are pissing down their back and telling them that it's raining?
Probably around never. If the NRA gets dissolved the crazies will consider it a deep state conspiracy plot forever.
If Bannon goes down there will be another 10 to fill his spot.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 20, 2020, 09:28:25 AM
Probably around never. If the NRA gets dissolved the crazies will consider it a deep state conspiracy plot forever.
this is the crazy thing about this country right now. any logical/tangible/reasonable result or event that that group doesn't agree with will just be a deep state cover-up trying to ruin trump
Post by: mj2sexay on August 20, 2020, 10:49:23 AM
First the NRA, now Bannon. I wonder how long the people who are willingly financially supporting these people will take to figure out that their heroes and champions are pissing down their back and telling them that it's raining?
Lol @ first the NRA.
Blatant political hatchet job is blatant. And I'm not a member nor even a big fan of the NRA, but if they're getting hauled to court over that bullshit, lets do Planned Parenthood next. What a joke.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 20, 2020, 11:00:51 AM
Lol @ first the NRA.
Blatant political hatchet job is blatant. And I'm not a member nor even a big fan of the NRA, but if they're getting hauled to court over that bullshit, lets do Planned Parenthood next. What a joke.
Case in point.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 20, 2020, 11:24:42 AM
Case in point.
CaSe In PoInT.
Amazing you asked who do I need to impress and vice versa considering you seem to think you have some moral or intellectual high ground here.
Post by: Badger on August 20, 2020, 12:31:22 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 20, 2020, 04:17:04 PM
#Priorities
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2020, 04:27:49 PM
Trump asks the Supreme Court to Let him Block Critics on his Twitter Account (https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1296498032490446848?s=19)
#Priorities
Imagine supporting such a snowflake.
Post by: d sw0rdz on August 20, 2020, 05:09:59 PM
Imagine supporting such a snowflake.
leave him alone you fckin deep state puppet. i can't believe you could support something as evil as pedophilia and bad pizza
Post by: Johnny English on August 21, 2020, 09:58:36 AM
https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1296548895187763203?s=20
Post by: Johnny English on August 23, 2020, 01:03:06 AM
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2020, 10:24:30 AM
Post by: delavan on August 23, 2020, 12:01:31 PM
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"I'm officially pushing for emancipation. Buckle up because this is probably going to be public one way or another, unfortunately welcome to my life."
Quote
"I have been using social media as an outlet to express my passions, individuality, and to. shed light on some hardships. I have been vulnerable for a reason. thank you for supporting me."
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"TO ALL JOURNALISTS/REPORTERS/ANYONE IN THE MEDIA:
DO NOT USE MY TRAUMA AS A MEANS FOR PUBLICITY OR PROFIT. IT'S SICKENING. I AM 15 YEARS OLD. EXPLOITING A MINOR PUBLICALLY IS DISGUSTING."
https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1297376899975577601
.
Post by: delavan on August 24, 2020, 01:10:23 AM
https://www.tiktok.com/@datjerseygirl/video/6864377068411538694?refer=embed
https://www.tiktok.com/@datjerseygirl/video/6864375044143877381?refer=embed
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 24, 2020, 09:35:15 AM
I'd trade PP for the NRA. Let's do it.
Who hangs up first?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 24, 2020, 09:39:50 AM
https://twitter.com/claudiamconwayy/status/1297353380906573826?s=19
When it’s all said and done she’ll grow up to be more annoying than either of her parents, an impressive feat.
Post by: Derek Smalls on August 24, 2020, 10:51:49 AM
When it’s all said and done she’ll grow up to be more annoying than either of her parents, an impressive feat.Meh. With Kellyanne stepping down and if Trump loses, people won't care anymore.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 24, 2020, 11:42:58 AM
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WASHINGTON – In a claim likely to intensify the controversy surrounding one of the most influential figures in the American Christian conservative movement, a business partner of Jerry Falwell Jr has come forward to say he had a years-long sexual relationship involving Falwell’s wife and the evangelical leader.
Giancarlo Granda says he was 20 when he met Jerry and Becki Falwell while working as a pool attendant at the Fontainebleau Miami Beach hotel in March 2012. Starting that month and continuing into 2018, Granda told Reuters that the relationship involved him having sex with Becki Falwell while Jerry Falwell looked on.
Cuck City
Post by: bojanglesman on August 24, 2020, 11:55:02 AM
https://twitter.com/danielchaitin7/status/1297935581708726276?s=21Oh man. I just thought she was banging him. Didn't know he was watching. Weird.
Cuck City
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 24, 2020, 11:59:34 AM
Oh man. I just thought she was banging him. Didn't know he was watching. Weird.
Some varsity level kink right there.
Post by: IATA on August 24, 2020, 12:42:49 PM
"oh man, look at this much more attractive looking man with his bigger junk rail my wife. im gonna jack off in the corner and then drive them both home and pay him for his time. what a good night"
sadd
Post by: Heismanberg on August 24, 2020, 12:47:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 24, 2020, 02:04:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cPGpxY7Vg4
...that guy is def Pete Davidson’s real father
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2020, 07:33:30 PM
When it’s all said and done she’ll grow up to be more annoying than either of her parents, an impressive feat.Unlikely she'll be as prominent as either one, she'll probably slide into the kind of job well-connected kids get and marry rich and we won't hear about her again
Post by: mj2sexay on August 28, 2020, 08:16:48 PM
Who hangs up first?
I'd do this in two seconds.
As usual when Badg and I deal with each other, east meets west in perfect harmony!
Post by: Badger on August 28, 2020, 08:19:30 PM
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2020, 10:55:16 AM
Post by: Badger on September 03, 2020, 11:26:25 AM
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1301314853747990530?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 03, 2020, 11:35:01 AM
Full retard
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1301314853747990530?s=19
This is struck down the first time it gets implemented.
Post by: IATA on September 03, 2020, 12:16:52 PM
Post by: delavan on September 03, 2020, 05:20:55 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2241770/Video-Clinton-says-Trump-stacking-sandbags-stay-WH.html
Post by: insanity on September 03, 2020, 05:47:31 PM
Full retardSo any state or city that decreases their police funding is an anarchist state?
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1301314853747990530?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on September 03, 2020, 06:00:46 PM
So any state or city that decreases their police funding is an anarchist state?Or anyone Bill Barr doesn't like.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 03, 2020, 07:22:43 PM
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2020, 09:10:11 AM
America's sweethearts weighing in..I don't really see a way that this unfolds that isn't at least a minor train wreck.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2241770/Video-Clinton-says-Trump-stacking-sandbags-stay-WH.html
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 04, 2020, 09:27:38 AM
https://twitter.com/jordanfabian/status/1301569012942483456?s=21
https://twitter.com/blaireerskine/status/1301660916883259392?s=19 (https://twitter.com/blaireerskine/status/1301660916883259392?s=19)
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2020, 01:30:12 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 04, 2020, 01:54:43 PM
"They want to ban straws. Has anybody ever tried those paper straws? They are not working too good. Right? I said, I have had a couple meals at McDonald's, etc, over the years. Wendy's. A friend of mine owns Wendy's, I will give it a plug. Right? Burger King."Sounds like MB high on coke.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 05, 2020, 02:39:44 PM
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/multiple-boats-in-distress-sinking-at-trump-boat-parade-on-lake-travis
Loloololol. SS Metaphor..... going down.
I'm sure the Feds will have every resource out there in 60 seconds.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200905/0f770dee068bcdc41144ce2b8d93055c.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on September 05, 2020, 05:00:35 PM
#Boatersuppression
"I like boats that don't sink"
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200905/55f32abce70478f133e51ac269203721.jpg)
Post by: IATA on September 05, 2020, 07:42:55 PM
satire, but this dudes hilarious
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 05, 2020, 07:48:38 PM
https://twitter.com/BrentTerhune/status/1302370759705268229
satire, but this dudes hilarious
I don't know if I enjoy his videos of people not grasping the satire more.
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2020, 09:31:27 PM
Post by: IATA on September 05, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 05, 2020, 09:34:33 PM
#DumbkirkDumbkirk might be my favourite thing I've heard this year.
#Boatersuppression
"I like boats that don't sink"
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200905/55f32abce70478f133e51ac269203721.jpg)
Post by: delavan on September 05, 2020, 10:18:55 PM
Dumbkirk might be my favourite thing I've heard this year.
hahaha
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Titanic%27s_sinking_stern.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on September 06, 2020, 04:08:35 AM
https://twitter.com/Pervaizistan/status/1302427987929899008?s=19How did this only come out just now? Non-disclosure agreements I guess.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 06, 2020, 04:23:27 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html
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Cohen also divulges personal details about Trump, including his hair routine, described as a "three-step" combover designed to disguise "unsightly scars on his scalp from a failed hair-implant operation in the 1980s."
Writing that he once witnessed Trump shortly after he showered, Cohen recalls that "when his hair wasn't done, his strands of dyed-golden hair reached below his shoulders along the right side of his head and on his back, like a balding Allman Brother or strung out old '60s hippie."
Lol
Post by: mj2sexay on September 08, 2020, 07:33:13 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html
Lol
Anything to minimize Trump calling out the military industrial complex yesterday I reckon.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 08, 2020, 08:11:36 AM
The military absolutely funnels money into defense contractors and companies left and right but any actual troop engagements for anything other than self defense are 100% POTUS authorized.
Also that CNN article was published prior to 45's comments about the military.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 09, 2020, 07:06:35 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 09, 2020, 08:46:58 AM
Trump nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
“ President Donald Trump has been nominated for the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize, just weeks after helping to broker peace between Israel and the United Arab Emirates.
He was nominated by Christian Tybring-Gjedde, a member of the Norwegian Parliament, who praised Trump for his efforts towards resolving conflicts worldwide.
'For his merit, I think he has done more trying to create peace between nations than most other Peace Prize nominees,' Tybring-Gjedde said to Fox News.
Tybring-Gjedde, who is a four-term member of Parliament who also serves as chairman of the Norwegian delegation to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, said the Trump administration played a key role in the establishment of relations between The UAE and Israel.
The deal was first announced by the President on August 13, with Trump saying that the United Arab Emirates and Israel have agreed to establish full diplomatic ties as part of a deal to halt the Israeli annexation of occupied land sought by the Palestinians for their future state.
The historic deal delivered a key foreign policy victory to Trump as he seeks reelection, and reflected a changing Middle East in which shared concerns about archenemy Iran have largely overtaken traditional Arab support for the Palestinians.
Officials said on Tuesday that a signing ceremony would be hosted at the White House on September 15, with senior delegations from the two countries in attendance, including Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Emirati Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan.“
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2020, 08:49:35 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 09, 2020, 08:56:59 AM
That Norwegian dude has a bit of a hard on for Trump, he nominated him a few years ago as well forbrokering a peace deal with Kim Jong-Unno waitpimping out his staff to Kim Jong unstill no...... going to visit Kim Jong-Un.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-trump/south-korea-president-says-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN1I10OD
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html
Geezus
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2020, 03:47:09 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-trump/south-korea-president-says-trump-deserves-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN1I10OD
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/donald-trump-nobel-peace-price-why-us-presidents-nomination-far-right-publicity-stunt-2966198?amp
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 09, 2020, 04:22:55 PM
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/donald-trump-nobel-peace-price-why-us-presidents-nomination-far-right-publicity-stunt-2966198?amp
From your article:
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Which brings us to the fundamental problem with the nominations system for the Nobel Peace Prize - it is a meaningless indicator of false glory.
Agree.
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2009:
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The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama’s initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world’s population.
For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world’s leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama’s appeal that “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.”
Post by: Johnny English on September 09, 2020, 04:28:44 PM
From your article:
Agree.
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2009:
Please point me to where anyone, in particular me, has ever defended the award of the NPP to Obama, or claimed it to be anything other than a spurious political award based upon whoever is the flavour of the month.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 09, 2020, 04:38:11 PM
Please point me to where anyone, in particular me, has ever defended the award of the NPP to Obama, or claimed it to be anything other than a spurious political award based upon whoever is the flavour of the month.
Never said you did. Seems like an obvious comparison to draw. I’ve seen plenty of people list that as one of Obama’s “accomplishments.”
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2020, 04:40:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 09, 2020, 04:44:20 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 09, 2020, 04:48:01 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 09, 2020, 04:51:52 PM
Pelosi’s funbags aren’t to scale
I mean, it's the most obvious factual error.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 10, 2020, 11:56:52 AM
https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1303849992193482752?s=09 (https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1303849992193482752?s=09)
Post by: IATA on September 10, 2020, 02:19:21 PM
'I saved his a--': Trump boasted that he protected Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman after Jamal Khashoggi's brutal murder, Woodward's new book says
"I saved his a--," Trump said amid the US outcry over Khashoggi's killing, according to Woodward's new book. "I was able to get Congress to leave him alone. I was able to get them to stop."
After Khashoggi's murder, Trump bypassed Congress to sell roughly $8 billion in arms to the Saudis and the UAE, and vetoed a trio of resolutions blocking the sale as well as a resolution to end US support for the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen.
these are normal things a president does, right mj?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 10, 2020, 02:20:45 PM
these are normal things a president does, right mj?
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Post by: IATA on September 10, 2020, 02:22:24 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on September 10, 2020, 08:37:49 PM
these are normal things a president does, right mj?
OoOoOoOoO my God, a sitting US President doing business with the Saudis despite them being complete authoritarian psychos, sounds like every single administration since Ike.
I don't have to like business as usual to recognize business as usual. Getting on Trump from a foreign policy perspective if you were any kind of anti-war advocate during the days of Dubya is freaking laughable.
Post by: Badger on September 10, 2020, 10:06:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 10, 2020, 10:19:44 PM
Super excited for Biden to have an identical relationship with KSA
Yeah but a blue one
Post by: MoreCharacters on September 11, 2020, 05:16:29 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on September 11, 2020, 09:27:31 AM
Super excited for Biden to have an identical relationship with KSA
Same point I made, but better.
it feels like these deflections are starting to lack heart
I guess this is what people say when those they consider "cultists" don't give the blind defense they want to see.
It's almost like your shitty projection is the stuff of retards and is complete excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on September 11, 2020, 11:56:27 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-911-fund-treasury-department-world-trade-center-anniversary-b421982.html
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 11, 2020, 12:12:42 PM
On a related note:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-911-fund-treasury-department-world-trade-center-anniversary-b421982.html
The inevitable comments that will arise from this Post would probably leave it better suited for the Trumpster Fire thread.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 11, 2020, 12:40:40 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 11, 2020, 12:54:44 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 11, 2020, 01:11:07 PM
The inevitable comments that will arise from this Post would probably leave it better suited for the Trumpster Fire thread.
Fair point and you're right, of all the threads to devolve into yet another shitstorm of political spats that's not the right one so I have moved the posts accordingly.
Post by: Johnny English on September 11, 2020, 01:13:41 PM
I'm sure no one put any thought into picking that song, but you couldn't make a more ironic choice. Maybe Dennis Leary's "I'm an poopchute".
Maybe the message about Born In The USA finally sunk in.
They must be starting to run short of artists whose work they're allowed to use though. At this stage I think they're pretty much down to Kid Rock, Kanye, Ted Nugent, and depending on Dave's mood this week, Megadeth.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 11, 2020, 01:58:32 PM
Maybe the message about Born In The USA finally sunk in.
They must be starting to run short of artists whose work they're allowed to use though. At this stage I think they're pretty much down to Kid Rock, Kanye, Ted Nugent, and depending on Dave's mood this week, Megadeth.
Don't forget cuntry music. At least a lot of it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 14, 2020, 11:04:01 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2020, 06:55:26 AM
https://t.co/zV2IdtjDEs
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 15, 2020, 07:16:59 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2020, 08:40:58 AM
Psycho
Post by: delavan on September 15, 2020, 05:49:40 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-trump-health-spokesman-deletes-twitter-account-after-rant/ar-BB191SLV?ocid=uxbndlbing
Psycho
Quote
"Caputo described another Twitter using an epithet for a feminine hygiene product"lol
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 17, 2020, 01:20:13 PM
https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1306614873502224385?s=21 (https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1306614873502224385?s=21)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2020, 03:53:31 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 17, 2020, 03:55:49 PM
https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/1306683798197800961?s=21
what in the hell
Post by: IATA on September 17, 2020, 04:05:24 PM
Post by: IATA on September 17, 2020, 04:06:54 PM
Post by: Badger on September 18, 2020, 06:20:23 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 18, 2020, 06:24:47 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1307009018922258432?s=19
Toss it in a river.
Post by: Johnny English on September 18, 2020, 06:36:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/76mL6EP.png)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 11:47:06 AM
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Breaking News: President Trump said he would name a nominee to the Supreme Court on Friday or Saturday, after services for Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 21, 2020, 12:03:02 PM
Surprised he isn't doing it in the middle of the funeral.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 21, 2020, 12:06:25 PM
Surprised he isn't doing it in the middle of the funeral.
I'm sure you were similarly disgusted about decorum when Scalia died.
Post by: Derek Smalls on September 21, 2020, 12:49:42 PM
I'm sure you were similarly disgusted about decorum when Scalia died.Ah yes, the typical Republican response. "Yes, we're assholes, but you were, too, right?"
Post by: IATA on September 21, 2020, 02:09:29 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 21, 2020, 04:29:34 PM
lol
Post by: mj2sexay on September 21, 2020, 06:35:42 PM
Ah yes, the typical Republican response. "Yes, we're assholes, but you were, too, right?"
That would be suggesting that there's any sort of equivalence of segments of the left literally pissing on Scalia's grave. So no, not the typical response of anything. I'm sorry recent history makes the idea of people actually trying to call for decorum in the face of RBG's death absolutely laughable.
It's that victim complex
K.
Post by: Johnny English on September 21, 2020, 06:46:03 PM
the left literally pissing on Scalia's grave
Did anyone, left of otherwise, literally pee on Scalia's grave? Would be interested to see evidence of that please.
Post by: delavan on September 21, 2020, 08:41:31 PM
semantics.. https://www.thewrap.com/antonin-scalias-death-draws-strong-responses-from-celebrities-pundits/
Post by: insanity on September 21, 2020, 11:14:53 PM
Comparing politicians and celebrities isn't semantics its conflation
semantics.. https://www.thewrap.com/antonin-scalias-death-draws-strong-responses-from-celebrities-pundits/
Post by: delavan on September 22, 2020, 10:34:33 AM
Comparing politicians and celebrities isn't semantics its conflation
For starters, the semantical reference was with respect to JE's request for evidence from "anyone, left or otherwise." I know of no politician who would be so stupid as to cast aspersions at the death of either Scalia and/or RBG and to that point I haven't really seen RBG-bashing (though I'm sure there's the odd crass pos tweet out there) while the Scalia-bashing did see some light of day visibility. Further (JO-wise), where this first started going off the rails was Bo's reply to SFD's FYI about Trump holding off on any scotus nomination until after RBG's funeral, i.e. "surprised he isn't doing it in the middle of the funeral." Lastly, the idea of politicians and celebrities as apples-and-oranges conflation? They're both narcissists. Exhibit one: any Trump/Chuck/Mitch/Nancy appearance behind a podium.
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2020, 10:46:13 AM
For starters, the semantical reference was with respect to JE's request for evidence from "anyone, left or otherwise."
Actually, the operative word I was questioning there was "literally". "Literally" has a definitive and absolute meaning.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
Obama nails it
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2020, 10:52:02 AM
https://twitter.com/calebjhull/status/1307325966314864651?s=21
Obama nails it
OK, but then the Senate chose to establish precedent, no? If they're going to play the game of "the power over the rules belongs to those in power" then they can't subsequently complain if they find themselves not in power and rules being changed or used in ways that they don't like.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2020, 11:01:39 AM
OK, but then the Senate chose to establish precedent, no? If they're going to play the game of "the power over the rules belongs to those in power" then they can't subsequently complain if they find themselves not in power and rules being changed or used in ways that they don't like.
I agree with your post. I don’t find any of this surprising.
It seems pretty straightforward that a Republican senate would turn down a vote on a liberal nominated justice and push through a conservative justice. Isn’t that the point of them being elected officials of that party?
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2020, 12:40:39 PM
I agree with your post. I don’t find any of this surprising.
It seems pretty straightforward that a Republican senate would turn down a vote on a liberal nominated justice and push through a conservative justice. Isn’t that the point of them being elected officials of that party?
Sure, but they established that you can't nominate a Supreme Court Judge in an election year, so if they go back on their word then they can't complain if the Dems end up with the WH and the casting vote in the Senate, and use that power to add two more liberal judges.
I think it's a really interesting game of brinkmanship. Do they push RBG's replacement through now and have the fight next year if they do lose power? Do the Senators at risk in November refuse to confirm a hardcore conservative nominee out of fear of losing moderate votes and thus their seat? Do they try a bit of bipartisanship and try to find a candidate that at least some Democrats can get on board with?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 22, 2020, 12:55:52 PM
Sure, but they established that you can't nominate a Supreme Court Judge in an election year, so if they go back on their word then they can't complain if the Dems end up with the WH and the casting vote in the Senate, and use that power to add two more liberal judges.
I think it's a really interesting game of brinkmanship. Do they push RBG's replacement through now and have the fight next year if they do lose power? Do the Senators at risk in November refuse to confirm a hardcore conservative nominee out of fear of losing moderate votes and thus their seat? Do they try a bit of bipartisanship and try to find a candidate that at least some Democrats can get on board with?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurmond_rule
Post by: delavan on September 22, 2020, 04:42:41 PM
Actually, the operative word I was questioning there was "literally". "Literally" has a definitive and absolute meaning.
Beyond the definite and absolute standard 'literally' has been expanded to include figurative applications, e.g. "we were literally killing ourselves laughing." And to further be a word nerd snit, as far as the operative word goes, insanity's scolding me had to do with the subjects at hand (i.e. the politicos vs. celebs) while your chiding centered around 'literal proof' of the dirty deed itself (urininating-on-a-grave) which I interpreted as code for "JEwannaseecock" and being the swell person that I am, I decided to have your back and run interference for you by addressing the pols/celebs question instead. That said,
Behold!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Donkey_penis.jpg/275px-Donkey_penis.jpg)
Post by: mj2sexay on September 22, 2020, 06:58:54 PM
OK, but then the Senate chose to establish precedent, no? If they're going to play the game of "the power over the rules belongs to those in power" then they can't subsequently complain if they find themselves not in power and rules being changed or used in ways that they don't like.
Except they didn't set precedence because they're the majority party in the relevant body of legislature.
Beyond the definite and absolute standard 'literally' has been expanded to include figurative applications, e.g. "we were literally killing ourselves laughing." And to further be a word nerd snit, as far as the operative word goes, insanity's scolding me had to do with the subjects at hand (i.e. the politicos vs. celebs) while your chiding centered around 'literal proof' of the dirty deed itself (urininating-on-a-grave) which I interpreted as code for "JEwannaseecock" and being the swell person that I am, I decided to have your back and run interference for you by addressing the pols/celebs question instead. That said,
Behold!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Donkey_penis.jpg/275px-Donkey_penis.jpg)
I'm 99.999999 percent sure we don't agree on almost anything politically, but you're funny.
Just to clarify, I feel the same way about you too JE.
Post by: ons on September 22, 2020, 08:58:00 PM
Except they didn't set precedence because they're the majority party in the relevant body of legislature.
I mean, in the words of one of the people who was doing the precedent-setting himself:
"This will stand the test of time... I want you to use my words against me. If there's a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said: Let's let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination. And you could use my words against me and you'd be absolutely right. We're setting a precedent here today... That's going to be the new rule." - Lindsey Graham, current chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, in 2016.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 22, 2020, 09:10:08 PM
I mean, in the words of one of the people who was doing the precedent-setting himself:
"This will stand the test of time... I want you to use my words against me. If there's a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said: Let's let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination. And you could use my words against me and you'd be absolutely right. We're setting a precedent here today... That's going to be the new rule." - Lindsey Graham, current chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, in 2016.
And as always when confronted with the argument of what Lindsey Graham says, the correct response is, "who gives a freak."
Seeing Graham bend the knee and attach his nose to Trumps derriere since that time out of nothing but naked political expediency was something I thought we could all enjoy.
Post by: ons on September 22, 2020, 09:27:16 PM
Seeing Graham bend the knee and attach his nose to Trumps derriere since that time out of nothing but naked political expediency was something I thought we could all enjoy.
Nah, any moment I spend thinking about Lindsey Graham in any capacity is pretty unpleasant, to be honest. And yet in this case, I'm going to take his word over yours regarding his own intentions about precedent-setting.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 23, 2020, 07:45:37 AM
Nah, any moment I spend thinking about Lindsey Graham in any capacity is pretty unpleasant, to be honest. And yet in this case, I'm going to take his word over yours regarding his own intentions about precedent-setting.
So in other words, you'll stoop to saying, "but but but LINDSEY GRAHAM SAID!" when trying to confront the reality that everything thats been done regarding Merrick Garland and soon to be Justice Barrett or Lagoa is not only Constitutional, but totally comports with the role of the Senate in their capacity of advisal and consent.
I don't give a excrement what Lindsey Graham said mostly because its irrelevant, and to pretend that for every hypocritical quote out of his mouth we couldn't do the same for RBJ, Schumer, Obama et al in this case is the height of burying ones head in the sand.
Post by: delavan on September 23, 2020, 10:44:44 AM
is the height of burying ones head in the sand
slick ; )
Post by: ons on September 23, 2020, 11:19:10 AM
So in other words, you'll stoop to saying, "but but but LINDSEY GRAHAM SAID!" when trying to confront the reality that everything thats been done regarding Merrick Garland and soon to be Justice Barrett or Lagoa is not only Constitutional, but totally comports with the role of the Senate in their capacity of advisal and consent.
I absolutely agree that it would be completely constitutional and within their power. Nowhere did I say that Senate Republicans shouldn't vote to confirm, or it would be illegal for them to do so. I think the only reason they should not is tactical - if the seat is open at the time of the election, I suspect they do better than if they rush to fill it. You seem to be making up my positions again.
But arguing that Republicans in 2016 were not attempting to set a procedural precedent is silly.
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2020, 06:29:04 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html
Post by: IATA on September 27, 2020, 06:39:45 PM
this is a fun read, this trending tag
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2020, 06:42:55 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 07:21:20 PM
Not as funny when you realize a career grifter that makes Bernie madoff look like a decent guy grifted his way into the presidency
Best part is that both sides of voters are to blame
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 27, 2020, 07:28:17 PM
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2020, 07:34:17 PM
I can't wait to hear how Trumpers explain away this one-fake news
-everybody does it
-"I'm a big nerd who loves the appointing of conservative judges at any cost even though they're clearly eroding Americans workers rights"
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2020, 08:08:35 PM
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2020, 08:12:25 PM
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2020, 08:37:59 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2020, 09:08:30 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 27, 2020, 09:11:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2020, 09:21:10 PM
Now do amazon
When Bezos becomes POTUS, right there with you.
Post by: IATA on September 27, 2020, 10:13:03 PM
Huh.
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Post by: CatoTheElder on September 27, 2020, 10:16:52 PM
When Bezos becomes POTUS, right there with you.
I think we can go ahead and take care of that now instead of waiting for the worst case scenario.
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2020, 10:18:24 PM
When Bezos becomes POTUS, right there with you.JE in 2028:
"Of course you have to vote for Bezos, do you want Don Jr to win?!?!?!"
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 08:39:20 AM
JE in 2028:
"Of course you have to vote for Bezos, do you want Don Jr to win?!?!?!"
Maybe if your beloved progressives have decided to actually run an electable candidate by that point we won't need to have that conversation, but I think we all know that you'll still be wheeling Bernie out in his bathchair, wiping the drool from the corner of his mouth and making sure he's done up his robe, and then crying about how he was oppressed by the fascist party mechanism.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2020, 08:44:51 AM
Maybe if your beloved progressives have decided to actually run an electable candidate by that point we won't need to have that conversation, but I think we all know that you'll still be wheeling Bernie out in his bathchair, wiping the drool from the corner of his mouth and making sure he's done up his robe, and then crying about how he was oppressed by the fascist party mechanism.
2024 Bernie more mentally coherent than 2020 Biden
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2020, 09:07:55 AM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/424/149/2bc.jpg)
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 28, 2020, 09:46:28 AM
The GOP continues to win because they know how to play politics. While the entire left takes potshots at each other and bitches and moans about how their favorite candidate got a raw deal, and the Dems already in government cower and capitulate to pander to some imaginary voters that would never vote for them anyway, the GOP is just out there galvanizing their base and ensuring they get just enough votes to win whatever race they need to
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 28, 2020, 10:03:19 AM
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Trump says Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie are at the White House helping him prepare for the debate—says both have been playing the role of Joe Biden
The imagery
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 10:41:47 AM
The imagery
Ugh just...ugh.
I am not watching this excrement.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2020, 10:55:11 AM
Ugh just...ugh.You'll watch it for the trainwreck that it will be. You'll cringe while you do, but still not turn away.
I am not watching this excrement.
Post by: MBGreen on September 28, 2020, 11:02:45 AM
You'll watch it for the trainwreck that it will be. You'll cringe while you do, but still not turn away.
I'm gonna watch it while taking a pee on your new garage floor. #selfdrainingSZN
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2020, 11:03:40 AM
I'm gonna watch it while taking a pee on your new garage floor. #selfdrainingSZNI won't see it bitch.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 01:38:16 PM
You'll watch it for the trainwreck that it will be. You'll cringe while you do, but still not turn away.
I’m saving the most recent Raised by Wolves episodes for this time slot.
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2020, 02:47:12 PM
I find myself saying this same thing over and over, every year, leading up to every election
The GOP continues to win because they know how to play politics. While the center uses its institutional power to crush the left, and the Dems already in government cower and capitulate to pander to some imaginary voters that would never vote for them anyway, the GOP is just out there galvanizing their base and ensuring they get just enough votes to win whatever race they need to
FYP
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2020, 02:47:39 PM
Maybe if your beloved progressives have decided to actually run an electable candidate by that point we won't need to have that conversation, but I think we all know that you'll still be wheeling Bernie out in his bathchair, wiping the drool from the corner of his mouth and making sure he's done up his robe, and then crying about how he was oppressed by the fascist party mechanism.
You just described the current Biden campaign
Imagine thinking electability is still quantifiable after 2016. It's a myth for useful idiots to believe in, and it's what makes Dems vote for who they think some other imaginary voter might like.
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2020, 02:48:44 PM
https://twitter.com/AugustTakala/status/1310651420421566472?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2020, 03:43:52 PM
Trump supporters are so dumb they think they're especially vulnerable to police brutalityNot sure why the cop tackled him, but who knows what happened before the video started.
https://twitter.com/AugustTakala/status/1310651420421566472?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 04:02:12 PM
Not sure why the cop tackled him, but who knows what happened before the video started.
The story was that his wife called to say he was armed and threatening to harm himself, so maybe it's standard practice for cops to tackle anyone to the ground on such a report and figure out whether it's true after the fact. At least he's white, so they didn't have to shoot him.
Also I wonder if that cop is available to play at cornerback in New Jersey on Thursday night.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 06:26:20 PM
The story was that his wife called to say he was armed and threatening to harm himself, so maybe it's standard practice for cops to tackle anyone to the ground on such a report and figure out whether it's true after the fact. At least he's white, so they didn't have to shoot him.
Also I wonder if that cop is available to play at cornerback in New Jersey on Thursday night.
They're going to tackle anyone to the ground when they arrest them. They're going to arrest anyone they get a called in for mental health problems.
They shouldn't be the ones that respond to mental health calls. At the very least, they shouldn't be the ones there talking the person down and violent arrests shouldn't be the first option.
It's nice that some conservatives consider this to be excessive. It'd be even better if they realized it was excessive when police do that to black people.
It's absolute bullshit to suggest that he was targeted for believing in Trump.
Post by: IATA on September 28, 2020, 07:39:56 PM
They're going to tackle anyone to the ground when they arrest them. They're going to arrest anyone they get a called in for mental health problems.Cops are stupid and stupid people love trump.
They shouldn't be the ones that respond to mental health calls. At the very least, they shouldn't be the ones there talking the person down and violent arrests shouldn't be the first option.
It's nice that some conservatives consider this to be excessive. It'd be even better if they realized it was excessive when police do that to black people.
It's absolute bullshit to suggest that he was targeted for believing in Trump.
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Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2020, 08:11:43 PM
Cops are stupid and stupid people love trump.
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This is accurate.
Post by: Johnny English on September 28, 2020, 09:56:05 PM
Post by: delavan on September 29, 2020, 12:02:51 AM
Channel 4? What's the frequency Kenneth? : )
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/donald-trump-joe-biden-enter-first-presidential-debate-at-a-time-of-dangerous
Post by: bojanglesman on September 29, 2020, 10:08:18 AM
"At the debate Tuesday Biden should start every response by looking at Chris Wallace and say, “Well that’s the 750 dollar question, isn’t it?”"
Post by: delavan on September 29, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
I stole this from Facebook:
"At the debate Tuesday Biden should start every response by looking at Chris Wallace and say, “Well that’s the 750 dollar question, isn’t it?”"
That would be funny. What isn't (on the sheer face of it and trump's tax-dodging aside) was the fact that some individual(s) committed a crime releasing those returns. If a president can have it done to him without any consequences then we haven't a snowball's chance in hell when it comes to unlawful breaches of privacy.
Post by: Johnny English on September 29, 2020, 04:08:30 PM
That would be funny. What isn't (on the sheer face of it and trump's tax-dodging aside) was the fact that some individual(s) committed a crime releasing those returns. If a president can have it done to him without any consequences then we haven't a snowball's chance in hell when it comes to unlawful breaches of privacy.
Breaking News: you already don't. But besides that, Trump and his campaign already surrendered any right they might have had to cry about breaches of privacy when they happily accepted DNC emails that they knew were illegally obtained by hackers, and used them as a campaign tool.
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2020, 09:53:38 PM
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Acyn Torabi @Acyn
Trump on Hope Hicks: I just went for a test and we’ll see what happens. I mean who knows... But it’s very very hard when you are with people from the military or from law enforcement... they want to hug and they want to kiss you... she’s a very warm person with them
wut
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 10:08:45 PM
wut
He tried to freak Hope Hicks and got covid from the hoo-ha grab.
Post by: IATA on October 01, 2020, 10:50:11 PM
he seems like the type to demand loyalty, and ya know.
Post by: IATA on October 01, 2020, 10:56:03 PM
@pattonoswalt
·
10m
If Hope Hicks ends up being the Gollum in this saga I swear to god...
lmao
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 10:56:24 PM
serious question: do you think hope hicks has jerked off donald trump in the oval office? or kellyanne conway? or both?
he seems like the type to demand loyalty, and ya know.
Trump pays her to let him jerk off to her.
Post by: IATA on October 01, 2020, 10:57:43 PM
Trump pays her to let him jerk off to her.
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images3/1/1015/04/trump-book-set-art-deal-surviving-top_1_6dda99609a0a44ff6b8198a616edd855.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2020, 11:27:57 PM
Post by: IATA on October 02, 2020, 12:00:25 AM
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Post by: delavan on October 02, 2020, 01:38:55 AM
Breaking News: you already don't. But besides that, Trump and his campaign already surrendered any right they might have had to cry about breaches of privacy when they happily accepted DNC emails that they knew were illegally obtained by hackers, and used them as a campaign tool.
Breaking balls: bite me. But the project and deflect aside, how did the ill-gotten DNC emails actually hurt them? I mean, what did it actually reveal about them? And what did Trump's tax returns reveal? A monied guy looking to evade paying taxes? Breaking news. Wasn't Romney also guilty of not paying taxes? Or was that a purposely planted machiavellian lie courtesy of Harry Reid...
Post by: delavan on October 02, 2020, 01:41:27 AM
Donnie tested positive for covid. C'mon lil virus
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Problem?
Opportunity: here's big Donnie's chance at walk-the-walk hydroxychloroquine greatness, i.e. put up or shut up Prez.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 02, 2020, 04:39:16 AM
if he ends up recovering from the virus, all of a sudden he will finally come out with how severe/serious the virus could be, and how overcoming it points to his strength and how amazing he is, how biden would die if he got the virus, etc etc etc. we might even see campaign commercials campaigning to vote for the president that 'beat the coronavirus'
i know a lot of people/internet trolls who are not fond of trump are cheering that he got the virus, but i think this could make things a lot more annoying than they already are more than anything else
Post by: bojanglesman on October 02, 2020, 05:28:50 AM
Post by: delavan on October 02, 2020, 05:49:36 AM
trump probably thinks this is great.
if he ends up recovering from the virus, all of a sudden he will finally come out with how severe/serious the virus could be, and how overcoming it points to his strength and how amazing he is, how biden would die if he got the virus, etc etc etc. we might even see campaign commercials campaigning to vote for the president that 'beat the coronavirus'
i know a lot of people/internet trolls who are not fond of trump are cheering that he got the virus, but i think this could make things a lot more annoying than they already are more than anything else
Ya think (reading some of the early JO returns above)? : )
"Annoying?" I'd think the debates are now off, Trump's busy campaign itinerary will ground to a halt (at least for now) and just watch the "serves him right!" trolling to go into overdrive. Watching Morning Joe on MSNBC, Scarborough's paying high-road "thoughts and prayers" lip service...Mika's demurring...I think Donnie's wisecracks about her bloody facejob's still sticking in her craw. Anyway, here's an amusing if brutal take:
https://twitter.com/iamKimRL/status/1311901236082298880
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Post by: bojanglesman on October 02, 2020, 05:52:04 AM
Ya think (reading some of the early JO returns above)? : )That is a good one, not gonna lie.
"Annoying?" I'd think the debates are now off, Trump's busy campaign itinerary will ground to a halt (at least for now) and just watch the "serves him right!" trolling to go into overdrive. Watching Morning Joe on MSNBC, Scarborough's paying high-road "thoughts and prayers" lip service...Mika's demurring...I think Donnie's wisecracks about her bloody facejob's still sticking in her craw. Anyway, here's an amusing if brutal take:
https://twitter.com/iamKimRL/status/1311901236082298880
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Post by: ons on October 02, 2020, 06:41:29 AM
Post by: ons on October 02, 2020, 07:04:56 AM
Donnie tested positive for covid. C'mon lil virus
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This is a bad take. Just from a political point of view, think about what happens to this country if Trump dies before the election. First of all people who already think the coronavirus is a hoax and believe in the deep state are just going to go absolutely nuts. Second of all, this country needs this election to be on a referendum on this presidency so that Trump doesn't become a model for future presidents.
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 02, 2020, 07:50:01 AM
trump probably thinks this is great.
if he ends up recovering from the virus, all of a sudden he will finally come out with how severe/serious the virus could be, and how overcoming it points to his strength and how amazing he is, how biden would die if he got the virus, etc etc etc. we might even see campaign commercials campaigning to vote for the president that 'beat the coronavirus'
i know a lot of people/internet trolls who are not fond of trump are cheering that he got the virus, but i think this could make things a lot more annoying than they already are more than anything else
That was my first thought
Basically, if he doesn't get too sick, he gets to run around for the rest of the run up to the election saying "See, it wasn't too bad, just like I said! The Dems have tried to make a bigger issue of it than it was and we need to reopen, and never should have shut down our wonderful economy in the first place but the Dems and the Fake News wanted to scare you!"
Post by: insanity on October 02, 2020, 07:55:37 AM
That was my first thoughtAgreed. I'm usually against conspiracy theories but I wouldn't be shocked if this was a hoax and he was using it to sweep away the white supremacist stuff
Basically, if he doesn't get too sick, he gets to run around for the rest of the run up to the election saying "See, it wasn't too bad, just like I said! The Dems have tried to make a bigger issue of it than it was and we need to reopen, and never should have shut down our wonderful economy in the first place but the Dems and the Fake News wanted to scare you!"
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 02, 2020, 09:41:47 AM
Agreed. I'm usually against conspiracy theories but I wouldn't be shocked if this was a hoax and he was using it to sweep away the white supremacist stuffTrump lies about everything, so assuming Trump is lying isn't crazy at all.
I think odds are he has it, but who knows.
Post by: Johnny English on October 02, 2020, 09:48:17 AM
Trump lies about everything, so assuming Trump is lying isn't crazy at all.
I think odds are he has it, but who knows.
They're reporting that he has symptoms, so it seems likely that it's not a fabrication. I can see his people wanting a reason to cancel out of the other two debates, but missing rallies would be much more problematic for him I think.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 02, 2020, 10:52:39 AM
Agreed. I'm usually against conspiracy theories but I wouldn't be shocked if this was a hoax and he was using it to sweep away the white supremacist stuff
What white supremacist stuff? The fake news that he hasn't denounced them despite doing it over and over again?
Anyway, and this certainly doesn't include the post I quoted, but I wish I could say I'm surprised at some of the reactions here but of course I'm not.
How some of you who are literally pining for the death of the President could ever call anyone a "cultist" with a straight face given that reality is freaking beyond me.
Post by: insanity on October 02, 2020, 01:53:03 PM
What white supremacist stuff? The fake news that he hasn't denounced them despite doing it over and over again?
Anyway, and this certainly doesn't include the post I quoted, but I wish I could say I'm surprised at some of the reactions here but of course I'm not.
How some of you who are literally pining for the death of the President could ever call anyone a "cultist" with a straight face given that reality is freaking beyond me.
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Post by: bojanglesman on October 02, 2020, 04:19:47 PM
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NBC News: President Trump is going to Walter Reed tonight as a precautionary measure after consulting with physicians. He's going to work out of the presidential offices at Walter Reed over the next few days. He's expected to walk out the White House and board Marine One soon.
Post by: delavan on October 02, 2020, 05:39:21 PM
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2020, 01:36:43 PM
The imagery
Chris Christie has Rona, I wonder how he got it
Post by: bojanglesman on October 03, 2020, 01:41:56 PM
Chris Christie has Rona, I wonder how he got itHe banged Hope Hicks
Post by: Johnny English on October 03, 2020, 06:09:01 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2020, 06:11:13 PM
Give him credit, he's done a freaking good job of making everyone forget that in the last week we got proof of him being a skint tax avoider and then he called on white supremacists to mobilise for elections and then claimed he didn't even know who they are.
Ah, well, nevertheless...
Post by: mj2sexay on October 03, 2020, 06:14:17 PM
Give him credit, he's done a freaking good job of making everyone forget that in the last week we got proof of him being a skint tax avoider and then he called on white supremacists to mobilise for elections and then claimed he didn't even know who they are.
Of course, the latter isn't true and the former is to be celebrated (to an extent considering the $5 million he paid the treasury department for the years he supposedly only paid 750 in income tax).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2020, 06:17:29 PM
Oh my
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 03, 2020, 06:55:06 PM
Of course, the latter isn't true and the former is to be celebrated (to an extent considering the $5 million he paid the treasury department for the years he supposedly only paid 750 in income tax).
LMAOOOOOO. Alt right Joe.
Post by: Johnny English on October 03, 2020, 08:27:11 PM
Of course, the latter isn't true
You need to learn the difference between comparative and superlative. What do you think isn't true? That he called on white supremacists to mobilise, that the Proud Boys are white supremacists, or that he claimed to not know them?
Post by: mj2sexay on October 03, 2020, 08:33:36 PM
You need to learn the difference between comparative and superlative. What do you think isn't true? That he called on white supremacists to mobilise, that the Proud Boys are white supremacists, or that he claimed to not know them?
Two out of three ain't bad.
Post by: Johnny English on October 03, 2020, 08:43:26 PM
Two out of three ain't bad.
Well. I suppose you could make an argument that he didn't call on them to mobilise, but they sure think he did:
(https://i.imgur.com/IxKs3hE.png)
As for whether they're white supremacists, or perhaps more accurately white nationalists, as we've previously discussed I accept that it may not be part of any official public manifesto but plenty of people sure do seem to think that their actions speak otherwise. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/01/proud-boys-white-supremacist-group-law-enforcement-agencies)
Post by: IATA on October 03, 2020, 09:22:32 PM
Post by: IATA on October 03, 2020, 09:24:29 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 03, 2020, 10:05:39 PM
Post by: delavan on October 04, 2020, 12:12:47 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on October 04, 2020, 02:21:16 PM
Well. I suppose you could make an argument that he didn't call on them to mobilise, but they sure think he did:
(https://i.imgur.com/IxKs3hE.png)
As for whether they're white supremacists, or perhaps more accurately white nationalists, as we've previously discussed I accept that it may not be part of any official public manifesto but plenty of people sure do seem to think that their actions speak otherwise. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/01/proud-boys-white-supremacist-group-law-enforcement-agencies)
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America faces an epic choice ...
... in the coming months, and the results will define the country for a generation. These are perilous times. Over the last four years, much of what the Guardian holds dear has been threatened – democracy, civility, truth.
The country is at a crossroads. The Supreme Court hangs in the balance – and with it, the future of abortion and voting rights, healthcare, climate policy and much more. Science is in a battle with conjecture and instinct to determine policy in the middle of a pandemic. At the same time, the US is reckoning with centuries of racial injustice – as the White House stokes division along racial lines. At a time like this, an independent news organization that fights for truth and holds power to account is not just optional. It is essential.
I know plenty of sources that aren't steeped in bias (citing the SPLC c'mon), that issue missives such as this after every article they run.
Anyway, some info to counter the narrative.
https://kutv.com/news/local/blm-group-proud-boys-stand-together-at-salt-lake-city-press-conference
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/wilfred-reilly-insists-proud-boys-arent-white-supr/
As for these random governmental agencies cited, its the same line of thinking that allows people to drop the "the GAO accounts for far-right extremise violence being the overwhelming majority of political violence in this country."
When the Umpqua community college shooting is classified as "far-right", everyone might want to rethink their definition of the what thats supposed to mean.
Post by: IATA on October 04, 2020, 03:13:21 PM
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Post by: Johnny English on October 04, 2020, 05:22:13 PM
It's only the servants, what does it matter?
Post by: Johnny English on October 04, 2020, 05:29:04 PM
I know plenty of sources that aren't steeped in bias (citing the SPLC c'mon), that issue missives such as this after every article they run.
Anyway, some info to counter the narrative.
https://kutv.com/news/local/blm-group-proud-boys-stand-together-at-salt-lake-city-press-conference
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/wilfred-reilly-insists-proud-boys-arent-white-supr/
As for these random governmental agencies cited, its the same line of thinking that allows people to drop the "the GAO accounts for far-right extremise violence being the overwhelming majority of political violence in this country."
When the Umpqua community college shooting is classified as "far-right", everyone might want to rethink their definition of the what thats supposed to mean.
I think I've probably said enough times that I am separating the public manifesto of the Proud Boys from the fairly clear attitudes of a not insignificant proportion of its membership for you to not need to keep arguing against the point I'm not making. I think that even if we adopt the most charitable view of their positions, the line between nationalism and racism is short and straight.
I also wouldn't pretend that BLM is a shining tower of virtue, given how broad a camp it is. I have no more respect for large crowds of black people walking the street with assault rifles and dressed in head to toe Wal-Mart tactical than I do their white counterparts, even if it is a direct response. I just have more sympathy for the reasons that BLM needs to exist than I do the Proud Boys or the Gravy Seals.
Post by: Badger on October 04, 2020, 07:10:01 PM
This is a bad take. Just from a political point of view, think about what happens to this country if Trump dies before the election. First of all people who already think the coronavirus is a hoax and believe in the deep state are just going to go absolutely nuts. Second of all, this country needs this election to be on a referendum on this presidency so that Trump doesn't become a model for future presidents.
Disagree, the Dems don't deserve to be rewarded for the strategy that ensured a Biden nomination. COVID tanking the country and literally killing their opponent would make it obvious to anyone that they backed into the WH.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 05, 2020, 07:34:15 PM
lol this dumb freak
Embarrassing that people in that administration let him speak freely
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 06, 2020, 12:21:59 PM
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2020, 02:17:39 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1313553405701427202?s=19
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Post by: Johnny English on October 06, 2020, 02:29:25 PM
Indefensible
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1313553405701427202?s=19
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https://twitter.com/EMPosts/status/1313553619447410688
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 06, 2020, 02:59:58 PM
It's almost like it spreads uncontrollably
Post by: IATA on October 06, 2020, 03:05:23 PM
Indefensible
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1313553405701427202?s=19
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what the freak
Post by: Heismanberg on October 06, 2020, 03:07:22 PM
https://twitter.com/EMPosts/status/1313553619447410688
Hit himself where it hurts
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 06, 2020, 03:09:03 PM
Post by: IATA on October 06, 2020, 03:25:41 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 06, 2020, 06:57:57 PM
Post by: IATA on October 06, 2020, 07:03:33 PM
I hope every single one of these complicit pieces of excrement die a painful death, soon. freak them, it is what it is.
sO mUcH fOr ThE tOlErAnT lEfT
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Post by: bojanglesman on October 06, 2020, 07:10:31 PM
Stephen Miller has covid and this is the first one that I actually unequivocally hope dies from it.He's already dead. Inside.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 06, 2020, 07:15:40 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 06, 2020, 07:20:40 PM
literal filth
Post by: Badger on October 06, 2020, 10:14:25 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313664886648582144?s=19
Post by: mj2sexay on October 06, 2020, 11:28:51 PM
Oh I'm way beyond caring about their poor sensibilities.
I hope every single one of these complicit pieces of excrement die a painful death, soon. freak them, it is what it is.
sO mUcH fOr ThE tOlErAnT lEfT
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Lol how do I know someone is human garbage?
Post by: IATA on October 06, 2020, 11:30:03 PM
Lol how do I know someone is human garbage?They have a profile named "mj2sexay"
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2020, 10:51:29 AM
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If I am sent a Stand Alone Bill for Stimulus Checks ($1,200), they will go out to our great people IMMEDIATELY. I am ready to sign right now. Are you listening Nancy? @MarkMeadows @senatemajldr @kevinomccarthy @SpeakerPelosi @SenSchumer
-Trump
Well this is interesting. I’d like to hear the argument for opposing this.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 07, 2020, 10:53:38 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on October 07, 2020, 11:08:40 AM
They have a profile named "mj2sexay"
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You're literally wishing death on people out of your own warped stupidity and ignorance you bottom feeding sack of garbage.
-Trump
Well this is interesting. I’d like to hear the argument for opposing this.
He's been wanting to do this for two months now.
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2020, 11:12:51 AM
-Trump
Well this is interesting. I’d like to hear the argument for opposing this.
Because it's a fairly naked attempt at vote purchasing that doesn't really provide any true economic stimulus?
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2020, 11:36:17 AM
-Trump
Well this is interesting. I’d like to hear the argument for opposing this.
I would guess it's that same reason they didn't support any other skinny bill. The Democrats feel that once it's passed, the Republicans will say "all is good" and not try to fix anything else. Basically, there are some things that they feel need to be addressed financially that the Republicans don't feel the same way about. I'll leave that up to you all to decide whether that's true or not. They feel that the only leverage they have is to not pass limited legislation, because once it's passed, the Republicans have no reason to come to the table on things the Democrats want. Again, up to you to decide whether that is a valid strategy.
Reminds me of my Dad back in the day. If he did one repair around the house, he thought he got a 12 month pass from my Mom's complaints on the 50 other things he had put off that he should have done already. It didn't work.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2020, 11:37:15 AM
Because it's a fairly naked attempt at vote purchasing that doesn't really provide any true economic stimulus?
I think the Democrats have a built-in bribe in that if they get a majority in the Senate, we know a big-derriere stimulus bill will be passed.
I do think it would provide a stimulus somewhat, but more is needed.
Post by: IATA on October 07, 2020, 11:57:16 AM
You're literally wishing death on people out of your own warped stupidity and ignorance you bottom feeding sack of garbage.
hurr durr youre garbage bottom feedingg meanie
prrrtttt
freak em, i want em all dead. everyyyyyy single one. dead.
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
I think the Democrats have a built-in bribe in that if they get a majority in the Senate, we know a big-derriere stimulus bill will be passed.
I do think it would provide a stimulus somewhat, but more is needed.
Not really. Everyone gets a $1200 check. Those people who aren't currently making rent are going to use it to pay down their arrears, or cover their next month or two if they've managed to avoid arrears so far. Landlord will receive the rent and bank it, because there's no guarantee that the tenants will be able to pay next month or the month after. Not much economic stimulus there, just a temporary unwinding of a bit of personal debt.
Those people who are still financially OK have a choice. They can bank it, because they don't know if their job is next on the chopping block so they want to build up as much buffer as possible. That doesn't provide any stimulus at all. There are those not concerned for their jobs, and they can go and spend an extra $1200 on Christmas stuff. Which is nice and technically provides some additional micro-liquidity, but in reality does nothing for the economy because no one is creating extra jobs based off a percentage of the population having a temporary increase in disposable income. So a handful of middle class business owners and pretty much all large retail corporates will get a little bump in their bottom line, which at very best might provide a slight bump to shareholder dividends.
I'm not seeing any actual economic stimulus here. It's an offer of a bribe.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2020, 12:03:58 PM
Not really. Everyone gets a $1200 check. Those people who aren't currently making rent are going to use it to pay down their arrears, or cover their next month or two if they've managed to avoid arrears so far. Landlord will receive the rent and bank it, because there's no guarantee that the tenants will be able to pay next month or the month after. Not much economic stimulus there, just a temporary unwinding of a bit of personal debt.
Those people who are still financially OK have a choice. They can bank it, because they don't know if their job is next on the chopping block so they want to build up as much buffer as possible. That doesn't provide any stimulus at all. There are those not concerned for their jobs, and they can go and spend an extra $1200 on Christmas stuff. Which is nice and technically provides some additional micro-liquidity, but in reality does nothing for the economy because no one is creating extra jobs based off a percentage of the population having a temporary increase in disposable income. So a handful of middle class business owners and pretty much all large retail corporates will get a little bump in their bottom line, which at very best might provide a slight bump to shareholder dividends.
I'm not seeing any actual economic stimulus here. It's an offer of a bribe.
First off, you're right, I don't think it is much stimulus, but it's some. Second, that isn't the only scenario where money goes. You have vastly overestimated Americans' ability to make poor decisions and blow money at Arby's and the titty bar despite being in debt. I expect a ....bounce.....in the titty market.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2020, 04:23:26 PM
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On Wednesday morning, President Donald Trump called Schmidt a "blathering idiot," and said he had "beaten" him. Schmidt responded on his Twitter account over a series of 12 tweets with a blistering, personal attack on the president. MaxNewsToday has assembled these tweets and reprinted them as one easy-to-read op-ed for our ongoing segment, Schmidt Storm. It has been edited for clarity.
You’ve never beaten me at anything.
This is our first dance. Did you like, Covita? We are so much better at this than your team of crooks, wife beaters, degenerates, weirdos and losers.
You are losing. We heard you loved Evita. You saw it so many times. Where will you live out your years in disgrace? Will you buy Jeffrey Epstein’s island? One last extra special deal from him? Or will you be drooling on yourself in a suite at Walter Reed? Maybe you will be in prison?
I bet you fear that. The Manhattan District Attorney may not be around to cover for you or your crooked kids anymore. Eliza Orlins doesn’t believe in different sets of rules for the Trumps. What about the State Attorney General? You know what you’ve done.
Oh, Donald. Who do you owe almost $500 million in personally guaranteed loans to? It's all coming down. You think you and your disgusting family are going to be in deal-flow next year? Are you really that delusional?
You are lucky Chris Wallace interrupted you after Joe Biden said you weren’t smart. You started to melt down. That’s the place that hurts the most. Right? Fred Sr., knew it. You’ve spent your whole life proving it. You aren’t very smart. You couldn’t take the SAT on your own. What was the real score? 970? We both know you know.
Are the steroids wearing off? Is the euphoria fading? Do you feel foggy? Tired? Do you ache? How is the breathing? Hmmm. Are you watching TV today? We will have some nice surprises for you. Everyone is laughing at you. You are a joke. A splendid moron turned deadly clown.
Did you watch Martha McSally in her debate against American hero, fighter pilot, test pilot, astronaut Capt. Mark Kelly? She is so embarrassed by you. She is ashamed and full of self-loathing for the choice she made in following you over the cliff. She is in free fall now. She will lose, like most of them, because of you.
We hear from the White House and the campaign everyday. They are betraying you. They are looking to get out alive and salvage careers and their names. It’s Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner vs. Donald Trump Jr., and Kimberly Guilfoyle on the inside. They are at war over scraps and who gets to command what will be the remnants of your rancid cult.
It’s almost over now. You are the greatest failure in American history. You are the worst president in American history. Disgrace will always precede your name. Your grandchildren and great-grandchildren will grow up ashamed of their names.
One day, I suppose there will be some small and not-much-visited library that bears your name. It will be the type of place where a drunk walks by, staring at the wall for a minute, before deciding it is beneath his dignity to pee on. That’s what is waiting for you.
Joe Biden is a better man. He’s smarter. He’s winning.
Do you remember when you didn’t want to name Donald Trump Jr., Donald because you were worried about him being a loser named Donald? You were right about that. He is.
But it is you who will be remembered as America’s greatest loser. You will be crushed in the election.
Shhhhhhhh.
I picture this being narrated by Hannibal Lecter.
(https://img1.looper.com/img/gallery/hannibal-lecters-backstory-explained/intro-1568920260.jpg)
Post by: mj2sexay on October 07, 2020, 04:24:51 PM
freak em, i want em all dead. everyyyyyy single one. dead.
A less eloquent version of Schmidt's psychosis, but there's no such thing as TDS.
Post by: Johnny English on October 07, 2020, 04:37:58 PM
A less eloquent version of Schmidt's psychosis, but there's no such thing as TDS.
SPACE FORCE. VOTE!
Post by: IATA on October 07, 2020, 04:52:23 PM
Whatever you gotta say to yourself bud.
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Post by: Badger on October 07, 2020, 07:12:59 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 07, 2020, 08:04:01 PM
GIMME MONEYNo, you'll get capital gains tax cuts and like it.
Post by: Badger on October 07, 2020, 09:19:51 PM
No, you'll get capital gains tax cuts and like it.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201008/fa373a78f763445d6b0dea4e757d34de.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2020, 09:07:44 AM
Post by: IATA on October 08, 2020, 09:17:04 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 08, 2020, 09:35:34 AM
The experimental Regeneron treatment that was used on Trump was developed using tissue from aborted fetus, something which Trump has allowed his administration to oppose. Which rather begs the question, is it only bad to use aborted tissue to develop treatments if they're going to be used to help other people?They were liberal feti, its ok.
Post by: IATA on October 08, 2020, 09:40:56 AM
They were liberal feti, its ok.
they only used blue state babies, its ok, ask jared
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2020, 09:57:07 AM
they only used blue state babies, its ok, ask jaredProject Veritas is on the case
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 08, 2020, 10:24:17 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 08, 2020, 12:01:11 PM
Every single time I watch one of these type of Trump speeches it reminds me of this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHti7AEzDc
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2020, 01:26:19 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1314252606110412806?s=19
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 08, 2020, 02:41:35 PM
it's such a fvcking cumbersone task trying to listen to him lumber through his speeches (even these 2 minute twitter videos) what with all the illogical excrement and straight up lies, the tangents that go on and on forever and do nothing but waste time and are down quite boring/unimportant, and the non-sequitur. our country is literally a joke
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 08, 2020, 02:45:58 PM
i might lose it if i see another ad talking about how he stopped the virus by banning flights from china. the disease had already made its way to the US by the time he banned flights and after it got here he did the fcking most to downplay it and embolden crazy nuts that were saying this was nothing but a hoax to make him look bad and stop his battle for sanctity against the pedophiles.
we literally got rocked by the virus because of his admin's negligence and ineptitude in dealing with the virus. this is why the FDA and research/pharmaceutical organizations had to work at the record pace they did. it is all because of him.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 08, 2020, 02:49:07 PM
those words came out of his mouth in that order. he is literally gone lmfaooooo
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 08, 2020, 02:50:27 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on October 08, 2020, 02:54:22 PM
i might lose it if i see another ad talking about how he stopped the virus by banning flights from china.
Pence used that line last night
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 08, 2020, 03:07:33 PM
Pence used that line last night
Pence is an awful, awful person.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 08, 2020, 03:09:12 PM
Pence used that line last night
the crazy thing is they cling to this nonsensical excrement and follow it up with 'this was all because of me! i love america, america is great!' and his supporters eat that excrement up and start with their clapping and cheering and it's all wonderful and everything is great and we're gonna win! we're gonna win so hard.
we don't live in a world based in reality anymore.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 08, 2020, 03:17:46 PM
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2020, 05:11:49 PM
Every time Trump calls COVID the Chinese Flu I cringe.You've got to admire the severe whiplash of going back and forth between "it's not a big deal" and "we'll never forgive China for this deadly attack".
Post by: bojanglesman on October 08, 2020, 07:03:27 PM
Post by: Badger on October 08, 2020, 08:06:25 PM
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/exclusive-taxpayers-pick-tab-billionaire-us-ambassadors-stay-donald-trumps-scottish-resort-2996147
Post by: Johnny English on October 08, 2020, 08:10:23 PM
Woody sighting!
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/exclusive-taxpayers-pick-tab-billionaire-us-ambassadors-stay-donald-trumps-scottish-resort-2996147
Cuck doesn't even sleep in the same room as his wife.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 08, 2020, 08:12:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 08, 2020, 09:34:29 PM
Impeach Ambassador Johnson.
Nah they can keep him
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 08, 2020, 09:37:10 PM
Nah they can keep him
We can deport him after.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 09, 2020, 09:37:27 AM
what
Post by: bojanglesman on October 09, 2020, 09:42:16 AM
"I'm back because I'm a perfect physical specimen and I'm extremely young."He is young in Redwood tree years. He has tremendous rings. Yuge. Like you have never seen before.
what
Post by: IATA on October 09, 2020, 12:23:36 PM
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Unprompted, he said in a response to a question about a Green New Deal touted by some Democrats: "California is going to have to ration water. You know why? Because they send millions of gallons of water out to sea, out to the Pacific, because they want to take care of certain little tiny fish that aren't doing very well without water, to be honest with you. But it's a very sad thing that's happening."
hahhahahahahahahaha what the actual freak is wrong with this man.
mj2sexay, if you will...
Post by: Heismanberg on October 09, 2020, 12:46:17 PM
mj2sexay, if you will...
"you piece of excrement, numbnut idiot! business insider is liberal propaganda"
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2020, 01:25:35 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-hannity-california-water-to-pacific-little-tiny-fish-2020-10Hahahahhahaha
hahhahahahahahahaha what the actual freak is wrong with this man.
mj2sexay, if you will...
Post by: Johnny English on October 09, 2020, 01:58:22 PM
hahhahahahahahahaha what the actual freak is wrong with this man.
He was already mentally incapable of doing the job. Now he's on a cocktail of experimental drugs for an illness that we still don't fully understand that most severely impacts people of his age and physique while under more stress and scrutiny than he has probably ever been in his life and being pressured internally and externally by more people and agendas than we can possibly imagine.
We've not even mentioned his public exhortations to Barr to bring charges against a his political opponents. He's attempting to operate the USA in exactly the same fashion as the tinpot dictator of a banana republic. The complete mental disintegration that is visibly happening isn't a surprise, but for everyone's sake including his he should be removed from his position. He's in all sorts of ways completely incapable of fulfilling his duties.
Post by: IATA on October 09, 2020, 02:58:48 PM
Post by: Badger on October 09, 2020, 03:24:22 PM
if im biden i got extra security and everything i ingest gets tested or some excrement. people are losing their freaking minds who knows what could happen. trump thinks were in russia and we can just make up charges to lock up the oppositionDoes this ice cream taste like polonium to you?
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 09, 2020, 06:03:37 PM
He was already mentally incapable of doing the job. Now he's on a cocktail of experimental drugs for an illness that we still don't fully understand that most severely impacts people of his age and physique while under more stress and scrutiny than he has probably ever been in his life and being pressured internally and externally by more people and agendas than we can possibly imagine.
We've not even mentioned his public exhortations to Barr to bring charges against a his political opponents. He's attempting to operate the USA in exactly the same fashion as the tinpot dictator of a banana republic. The complete mental disintegration that is visibly happening isn't a surprise, but for everyone's sake including his he should be removed from his position. He's in all sorts of ways completely incapable of fulfilling his duties.
but but the Dems are bad
you're a hater and you're just falling for mainstream hollywood media. WAKE UP.
trump's america has been amazing and it's the chinese trying to sabotage everything with this covid hoax and the left/pedophiles attacking him for his fight against pedophilia that are ruining everything
Post by: MBGreen on October 09, 2020, 06:06:30 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 09, 2020, 06:08:00 PM
"Huuurrr durrr my name is Donalderrr...would you like to..touch....my peepee *droooool*"
stop it. what about the Dems.
discuss
Post by: bojanglesman on October 10, 2020, 04:32:29 PM
Post by: IATA on October 10, 2020, 04:36:28 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on October 10, 2020, 04:51:30 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 10, 2020, 05:04:16 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 10, 2020, 07:59:46 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 10, 2020, 09:44:50 PM
Lolol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 12, 2020, 04:02:27 PM
https://twitter.com/atomicphoto/status/1315664776492707845?s=21
Post by: mj2sexay on October 12, 2020, 05:49:42 PM
https://twitter.com/gamebredfighter/status/1315742123703054336?s=21
https://twitter.com/atomicphoto/status/1315664776492707845?s=21
In fairness to Cardale, he's said his presence wasn't meant as an endorsement, he was just supporting the business hosting the event.
Still, nice opportunity to see that the people that attend these things aren't as portrayed.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 12, 2020, 11:04:10 PM
So good
Post by: reuben on October 13, 2020, 06:21:37 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/679506175239532545?s=21
So good
WHAT
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 13, 2020, 08:00:13 AM
WHAT
Def, def using this word now that I know the context
Post by: insanity on October 13, 2020, 09:01:43 AM
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2020, 10:35:44 AM
https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1316023618422235138?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 13, 2020, 12:56:17 PM
"But Keith Olbermann also went low so, both sides"
https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1316023618422235138?s=19
Is he crossing out the parts in red but accidentally left them in there or did he just find the world’s worst highlighting tool?
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2020, 01:30:11 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1316801262277455872?s=19
Post by: IATA on October 15, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
why did he even agree to do this?
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2020, 09:46:49 AM
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 16, 2020, 10:15:35 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2020, 10:19:39 AM
he fell for a fake parody site?
are you surprised?
Post by: Gorilla on October 16, 2020, 01:14:33 PM
are you surprised?
It's almost...ALMOST....as if the guy is an obese freaking retard.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2020, 11:22:28 AM
This is the #content
Post by: Gorilla on October 17, 2020, 11:50:27 AM
https://twitter.com/ieat2please/status/1316923306449174529?s=21
This is the #content
Holy excrement, im dying. “BRO!”
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 17, 2020, 08:37:30 PM
https://twitter.com/ieat2please/status/1316923306449174529?s=21
This is the #content
Holy excrement. Yes.
Also what is the yellow stripe for?
Post by: insanity on October 17, 2020, 08:42:48 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1317044556328730625?s=19How is this still up?
Do they not know ir just not care because it fits the narrative?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 17, 2020, 08:57:09 PM
Holy excrement. Yes.
Also what is the yellow stripe for?
Tostitos.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 17, 2020, 08:58:25 PM
How is this still up?
Do they not know ir just not care because it fits the narrative?
do you think it matters? if he/his brainwashed followers found out that link was a ruse, would it change anything? it wouldn't. if/when they have to confront any of his outright stupidity/lies it wouldn't change a thing; they would just flex to the usual 'fake media against trump!'/'but the Dems!' automated responses
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 09:52:44 AM
@kirstiealley
·
15h
I’m voting for @realDonaldTrump
because he’s NOT a politician. I voted for him 4 years ago for this reason and shall vote for him again for this reason. He gets things done quickly and he will turn the economy around quickly. There you have it folks there you have it
Face with rolling eyes
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2020, 10:56:06 AM
Post by: Gorilla on October 18, 2020, 11:01:37 AM
Kirstie Alley
@kirstiealley
·
15h
I’m voting for @realDonaldTrump
because he’s NOT a politician. I voted for him 4 years ago for this reason and shall vote for him again for this reason. He gets things done quickly and he will turn the economy around quickly. There you have it folks there you have it
Face with insane scientology eyes
"I'm voting for a golden retriever to be the school bus driver because he's NOT a licensed bus driver, but an actual unqualified dog. There you have it folks. <giant wet pastrami buuuurp>."
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 18, 2020, 02:03:23 PM
'he's not a politician!'
'he get's things done! and get's them done quick!'
'i want america to win and keep winning!'
so many of the reasons you hear from his supporters about why they support him are either irrelevant, non-quantifiable, or straight up not true
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2020, 02:14:57 PM
you hear this excrement all the time, it's mindboggling. what's with these baseless, meritless claims?Kirstey Alley worships Planet Vulcan....on purpose.
'he's not a politician!'
'he get's things done! and get's them done quick!'
'i want america to win and keep winning!'
so many of the reasons you hear from his supporters about why they support him are either irrelevant, non-quantifiable, or straight up not true
Post by: mj2sexay on October 18, 2020, 04:46:41 PM
you hear this excrement all the time, it's mindboggling. what's with these baseless, meritless claims?
'he's not a politician!'
'he get's things done! and get's them done quick!'
'i want america to win and keep winning!'
so many of the reasons you hear from his supporters about why they support him are either irrelevant, non-quantifiable, or straight up not true
Please.
Like you're capable of a good faith discussion involving someone who supports the President without resorting to the usual hyperbole or flat out fake news that you operate on which allows you to make the above post.
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 18, 2020, 04:54:44 PM
i can and have brought up literal, substantive examples of ways the president has flat out lied/invoked and incited partisan tension for no reason/fear-mongered/put the safety of the american public at risk/blatantly said nonsensical and irrational excrement, and it always falls on deaf ears. apparently no arena for any sort of reasonable discussion when it comes to this exists.
these are direct actions and direct sayings from trump himself, but any and all criticism according to his support group is based on hyperbole and fake news.
Post by: IATA on October 18, 2020, 04:56:50 PM
Please.Have you ever, at any point, offered a good faith response? Just taking a quick look at the last few pages, nearly every single reply includes you insulting someone or telling them they're wrong because you don't like the delivery.
Like you're capable of a good faith discussion involving someone who supports the President without resorting to the usual hyperbole or flat out fake news that you operate on which allows you to make the above post.
You're so far up you're own derriere, it's honestly depressing to talk to someone who I used to actually respect a bit excrement all over his reputation so horribly.
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Edit
Inb4 I'm subhuman scum or some other pathetic insult.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 18, 2020, 05:02:21 PM
i agree. no good faith discussion can be had
i can and have brought up literal, substantive examples of ways the president has flat out lied/invoked and incited partisan tension for no reason/fear-mongered/put the safety of the american public at risk/blatantly said nonsensical and irrational excrement, and it always falls on deaf ears. apparently no arena for any sort of reasonable discussion when it comes to this exists.
these are direct actions and direct sayings from trump himself, but any and all criticism according to his support group is based on hyperbole and fake news.
Of course there's no possibility of those "literal substantive examples" being flat out lies right? Prime example being the charlottesville hoax.
Have you ever, at any point, offered a good faith response? Just taking a quick look at the last few pages, nearly every single reply includes you insulting someone or telling them they're wrong because you don't like the delivery.
You're so far up you're own derriere, it's honestly depressing to talk to someone who I used to actually respect a bit excrement all over his reputation so horribly.
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Edit
Inb4 I'm subhuman scum or some other pathetic insult.
I offer good faith responses when warranted. I treat people as I'm treated and match rhetoric where its given. The pages upon pages of conversations I've had here will reveal that.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 18, 2020, 05:48:32 PM
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2020, 06:52:07 PM
'he get's things done! and get's them done quick!'
It's almost as if allowing politicians to pretend pragmatism is policy for a couple decades backfired on us.
Using the "gets things done" talking point can only mean 1 of 2 things, the speaker is either very stupid or is trying to rope in some very stupid people.
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2020, 06:52:38 PM
i agree. no good faith discussion can be hadHe nevah sed dat
i can and have brought up literal, substantive examples of ways the president has flat out lied/invoked and incited partisan tension for no reason/fear-mongered/put the safety of the american public at risk/blatantly said nonsensical and irrational excrement, and it always falls on deaf ears. apparently no arena for any sort of reasonable discussion when it comes to this exists.
these are direct actions and direct sayings from trump himself, but any and all criticism according to his support group is based on hyperbole and fake news.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2020, 02:22:22 PM
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2020, 03:52:56 PM
Post by: IATA on October 19, 2020, 04:15:17 PM
I'm sure he's just having fun and joking and not at all talking about being bribed.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201019/7a8faa6f77c58d9d2c67d066bcc2d99a.jpg)
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Post by: CatoTheElder on October 19, 2020, 06:25:09 PM
Damn if only the president could do something about this Dr. Fauci guy who allegedly is single-handedly tanking the pandemic
I thought the administration was doing a great job and we were just about to be over this.
Post by: delavan on October 20, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
From the Muslim travel ban to this, go figure..
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/19/us-president-gives-sudan-its-biggest-hope-yet
https://twitter.com/SudanPMHamdok/status/1318256791453683716
Post by: Johnny English on October 21, 2020, 11:17:06 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/21/rudy-giuliani-faces-questions-after-compromising-scene-in-new-borat-film
Post by: bojanglesman on October 21, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 21, 2020, 01:06:03 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 22, 2020, 12:36:35 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2020/10/22/was-trumps-twitter-password-really-maga2020-dutch-security-researcher-claims-he-logged-in-after-making-a-simple-guess/#4ab1f8c944ea
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 22, 2020, 01:13:53 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 22, 2020, 01:25:30 PM
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2020, 02:58:15 PM
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2020, 10:49:09 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 22, 2020, 10:50:05 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201023/81e809073bf3c39c8249a6629070c812.jpg)
I just spit my drink out.
Post by: Badger on October 22, 2020, 10:51:16 PM
I just spit my drink out.^LMAOOOOO
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 22, 2020, 10:53:40 PM
^LMAOOOOO
Yes. That is what I did.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 23, 2020, 11:18:06 AM
Quote
I know we hate a "Melania HATES him" narrative BUT I MEAN https://t.co/dpXKEOe2So
"Get away from me"
"Get outta here, paid prop"
Post by: d sw0rdz on October 23, 2020, 11:21:31 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 23, 2020, 11:26:35 AM
i don't know if you can tell the level of affection they have for each other lol, but you can totally tell they must have an awkward/strange relationship. even the way he touches/pushes her from the back after she yanks her hand away. just a weird moment/interaction overall
I don't think it takes a rocket surgeon to realize that she was there to robotically hold his hand onstage for the photo op, then as soon as her required duty was up, her internal gross-ometer took over and she pulled her hand from his orange pussygrabber. He got pissed and pushed her along to get her offstage because he was mad she didn't put up the appearance of "paid whore".
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2020, 11:46:27 AM
i don't know if you can tell the level of affection they have for each other lol, but you can totally tell they must have an awkward/strange relationship. even the way he touches/pushes her from the back after she yanks her hand away. just a weird moment/interaction overall
I don't think he's capable of relating to another human, period.
Post by: IATA on October 23, 2020, 11:48:26 AM
She's just as bad as him.
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Post by: Johnny English on October 23, 2020, 12:08:42 PM
They're the same freaking person, why do people keep trying to paint her as some trapped maiden trying to break away?
She's just as bad as him.
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Exactly this. She had her opportunity to get out, but she chose to be an integral part of the grift. freak her every bit as much as him and his disgusting children. The only one who gets any kind of pass is Barron, because he's the only one who doesn't have the option to distance himself from the whole unholy mess.
Post by: bojanglesman on October 23, 2020, 12:12:36 PM
Netanyahu: "We appreciate the help for peace from anyone in America" https://t.co/OtCAL37m8e
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 23, 2020, 12:52:07 PM
Exactly this. She had her opportunity to get out, but she chose to be an integral part of the grift. freak her every bit as much as him and his disgusting children. The only one who gets any kind of pass is Barron, because he's the only one who doesn't have the option to distance himself from the whole unholy mess.
I think she’s just assuming the 350# septuagenerian can't have that much time left. Either that or he’s actually as broke as the released tax records show and she knows that she isn’t getting anything in a divorce.
Money has to be the deciding factor here because there is no way you can look at their personal interactions in public over the last four years and say that they are together out of love.
I really wish she could have just kept her freaking hands off of the Rose Garden.
Post by: Badger on October 23, 2020, 02:05:24 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 25, 2020, 09:32:56 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 25, 2020, 09:56:57 PM
TIL the widows of former presidents get a $20K/yr pension.
Dont former presidents have a $200K a year pension? Makes sense
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 29, 2020, 10:04:24 PM
lol
Post by: mj2sexay on October 30, 2020, 07:37:49 AM
They're the same freaking person, why do people keep trying to paint her as some trapped maiden trying to break away?
She's just as bad as him.
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why are you such a miserable person
Post by: IATA on October 30, 2020, 07:38:22 AM
why are you such a miserable personHey baby, good morning.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 30, 2020, 07:57:09 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on October 30, 2020, 07:58:13 AM
“Guys, Weezy is actually trying to help the community here. Look into the platinum plan.”
"No Weezy you can't vote for Trump, you're black!"
Post by: Badger on October 30, 2020, 08:14:24 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on October 30, 2020, 08:20:32 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1322063461334003712?s=19
Now Darren Rovell sucking donkey derriere is something that should have major bi-partisan support.
I see Bert came out in favor of Trump today on twitter, if that's not the kiss of death idk what is. Interception late in the fourth quarter with the election on the line, confirmed.
Post by: Johnny English on October 30, 2020, 04:37:31 PM
Maybe he can just declare the campaign bankrupt like he did his casinos and walk away from it.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 01, 2020, 01:37:55 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/31/politics/biden-bus-2020-campaign-texas-trump-supporters/index.html
Post by: Johnny English on November 01, 2020, 02:58:11 PM
Idiots
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/31/politics/biden-bus-2020-campaign-texas-trump-supporters/index.html
Can you imagine the response from Trump supporters if that was the other way round?
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2020, 03:11:43 PM
Can you imagine the response from Trump supporters if that was the other way round?https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1322994048060297216?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on November 01, 2020, 03:20:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1322994048060297216?s=19
Is it too much to ask for a bridge collapse?
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2020, 03:21:32 PM
Is it too much to ask for a bridge collapse?Yes, that's a brand new bridge
Post by: bojanglesman on November 01, 2020, 03:22:05 PM
Yes, that's a brand new bridge
Of course it is. All the other ones are falling apart.
Post by: Laxin on November 01, 2020, 09:13:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1322994048060297216?s=19
*flashback to their outrage when BLM protests shut down a road”
The irony is lost on these fools.
I think the worst part of this is law enforcement’s reaction (or lack thereof). This would be deemed civil unrest and these supporters would be met with armed officers, riot shields and tear gas if it were supporters from the other side of the aisle.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 02, 2020, 04:53:25 PM
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The president is ranting again about Twitter's trending topics, saying the list includes too much "boring" stuff. He says, "I know what trending is better than anybody in the world. I've been trending my whole life. From the day I was born, I've been trending."
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 02, 2020, 05:02:32 PM
dude, every time he talks it's blatantly obvious there's something wrong with him
'but the dems!'
Post by: mj2sexay on November 02, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
Idiots
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/31/politics/biden-bus-2020-campaign-texas-trump-supporters/index.html
Woops. Say something about lazy thinking again, I need a good laugh.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/biden-staffer-may-be-at-fault-for-texas-crash-wont-return-calls-police/?fbclid=IwAR29n3O34S6H5E12Y8vc_McZtVW0NMXf0U_LLQ7soplhOtFCFqQlGGfcoJo
Anyway, yeah the people shutting down the highway in Jersey were morons, but its interesting that that's a bugaboo all of a sudden after a summer of BLM and the like shutting down highways across the country.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 05:29:58 PM
Woops. Say something about lazy thinking again, I need a good laugh.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/biden-staffer-may-be-at-fault-for-texas-crash-wont-return-calls-police/?fbclid=IwAR29n3O34S6H5E12Y8vc_McZtVW0NMXf0U_LLQ7soplhOtFCFqQlGGfcoJo
Anyway, yeah the people shutting down the highway in Jersey were morons, but its interesting that that's a bugaboo all of a sudden after a summer of BLM and the like shutting down highways across the country.
People were complaining about it then and now. Not sure how it’s all of a sudden.
The only major difference I see is that there are no reports of anyone being run over or dragged by trucks along the GSP or the Mario Cuomo bridge.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 02, 2020, 06:00:57 PM
The only major difference I see is that there are no reports of anyone being run over or dragged by trucks along the GSP or the Mario Cuomo bridge.
As if this would stand if this was some sort of prolonged behavior.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 02, 2020, 06:20:31 PM
As if this would stand if this was some sort of prolonged behavior.
This isn't even the first time a group of right wing demonstrators blocked streets, unless you completely forgot about the Michigan Minnesota (among others) incidents where anti-lockdown protestors who blocked streets in front of hospitals.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 02, 2020, 07:18:22 PM
Woops. Say something about lazy thinking again, I need a good laugh.No one gives a excrement about the little road rub, the issue is those rednecks surrounding a bus and slowing it down to 20 or 30 on an interstate highway. Geez man, you have to understand that is stupid.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/biden-staffer-may-be-at-fault-for-texas-crash-wont-return-calls-police/?fbclid=IwAR29n3O34S6H5E12Y8vc_McZtVW0NMXf0U_LLQ7soplhOtFCFqQlGGfcoJo
Anyway, yeah the people shutting down the highway in Jersey were morons, but its interesting that that's a bugaboo all of a sudden after a summer of BLM and the like shutting down highways across the country.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 02, 2020, 11:28:12 PM
No one gives a excrement about the little road rub
Yeah, sure. That was the whole story until it wasn't.
Four years of just a complete lack of civility from the left inclusive of confronting people in restaurants and trying to break down their doors and this is what we're going to call out as morally reprehensible behavior (while being wrong about what actually happened).
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2020, 07:19:54 AM
Lmaooo
Post by: bojanglesman on November 03, 2020, 07:35:07 AM
https://twitter.com/walldo/status/1323507046331883521?s=21What a world.
Lmaooo
Post by: ons on November 03, 2020, 07:40:11 AM
Yeah, sure. That was the whole story until it wasn't.
Granted, I don't use twitter, so I don't know what the twitter-verse news cycle looks like, but I didn't know there was an accident until you posted that latest link. All I understood was that there was a Biden bus with staffers on it who were tightly surrounded and forced to slow down on a highway by Trump in Texas. And that the President was happy/impressed by it.
Also I wouldn't (and didn't) post about it having not looked into it myself, but I think you're a little off about mainstream news coverage of that particular incident.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 03, 2020, 09:28:28 AM
https://twitter.com/walldo/status/1323507046331883521?s=21
Lmaooo
https://twitter.com/charlesrichardn/status/1323521389538795520?s=21
Post by: Badger on November 03, 2020, 10:26:56 PM
Nevada might end up mattering. Glad I moved to a state where my vote matters.Delete this and repost in thr election threqd I'm too drunk to move it
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 04, 2020, 11:09:03 AM
Delete this and repost in thr election threqd I'm too drunk to move itI couldn't find the delete button last night. I tried. In fact, I still can't.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 04, 2020, 11:28:59 AM
I couldn't find the delete button last night. I tried. In fact, I still can't.
It's deleted. GFY.
Post by: Badger on November 04, 2020, 11:31:26 AM
Delete this and repost in thr election threqd I'm too drunk to move itAyyy lmao
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2020, 02:34:25 PM
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Former White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney says Trump could run in 2024 if he loses
Trump's former chief of staff claimed Trump could run for president in the next election if he were to lose to Joe Biden this time around.
Mick Mulvaney, now the U.S. special envoy to Northern Ireland, said that the president could unite the country in 2024, in a webinar with the Institute of International and European Affairs.
Mulvaney told Michael Collins, director general of the institute, that 2024 would be the election that will "unite" the country after a "fork in the road."
When asked about who he thinks would throw their hat in the race, Mulvaney said Trump.
"I’m telling you, absolutely, I would absolutely expect the president to stay involved in politics," he said. "I would absolutely put him on the shortlist of people who are likely to run in 2024. He doesn’t like losing."
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2020, 03:19:34 PM
Delays the ascension of somebody competent for the Rs in 2024
Post by: bojanglesman on November 05, 2020, 03:39:59 PM
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2020, 04:02:38 PM
Exclusive: Defense Sec. Esper has prepared a letter of resignation, according to three current defense officials. https://t.co/HNSRqAe8CQ(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201105/56b85ce3ad218f73f9515a586351c07e.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 05, 2020, 05:37:57 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 05, 2020, 08:00:02 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 06, 2020, 08:20:07 AM
Gaddamn
Post by: Heismanberg on November 06, 2020, 08:24:28 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 06, 2020, 11:38:37 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 06, 2020, 01:19:10 PM
https://twitter.com/som3thingwicked/status/1323300764853350401?s=20
Post by: Johnny English on November 06, 2020, 02:31:14 PM
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1752419/trump-adviser-steve-bannon-fauci-fbi-wray-beheaded/
Gaddamn
His lawyer dropped him as a client.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/nyregion/bannon-lawyer-beheading.html
Post by: bojanglesman on November 06, 2020, 10:10:25 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2020, 09:51:33 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 07, 2020, 09:53:36 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?s=19 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?s=19)
Post by: bojanglesman on November 07, 2020, 10:56:51 AM
Post by: IATA on November 07, 2020, 11:00:32 AM
Post by: IATA on November 07, 2020, 11:08:28 AM
:)
Post by: MBGreen on November 07, 2020, 11:10:27 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 07, 2020, 11:13:36 AM
Fox News is referring to Joe Biden as the president-elect.
:)
You love to see it.
Post by: Libero_2 on November 07, 2020, 11:14:24 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1325099845045071873?s=21
I am now wondering which intern at twitters job it is to stare at Trumps feed and immediately tag it for inappropriate or untrue stuff the moment the tweet is posted
Post by: Libero_2 on November 07, 2020, 11:15:30 AM
I think we can agree, just for one day, to come together and excrement on Trump all day today. UNITY!
I was just talking to my brother and somehow we got talking about how South Park is absolutely going to do something unbelievable and amazing with the election insanity.
To quote Bart Scott, Can’t Wait
Post by: reuben on November 07, 2020, 12:53:50 PM
I was just talking to my brother and somehow we got talking about how South Park is absolutely going to do something unbelievable and amazing with the election insanity.
To quote Bart Scott, Can’t Wait
freak South Park. "We HaTe CoNsErVaTiVeS, bUt wE freaking HaTe LiBeRaLs!!" Enlightened centrist dipshits.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 07, 2020, 12:55:07 PM
freak South Park. "We HaTe CoNsErVaTiVeS, bUt wE freaking HaTe LiBeRaLs!!" Enlightened centrist dipshits.You think too much. They just enjoy making fun of everyone.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 07, 2020, 01:14:14 PM
freak South Park. "We HaTe CoNsErVaTiVeS, bUt wE freaking HaTe LiBeRaLs!!" Enlightened centrist dipshits.
Never forget that they were climate change deniers.
Post by: reuben on November 07, 2020, 01:43:37 PM
Never forget that they were climate change deniers.
Transgender deniers as well.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 07, 2020, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: reuben on November 07, 2020, 02:37:20 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on November 07, 2020, 03:13:39 PM
freak South Park. "We HaTe CoNsErVaTiVeS, bUt wE freaking HaTe LiBeRaLs!!" Enlightened centrist dipshits.
Lol, cry more about it.
When South Park isn't leftist enough LMAO get the freak on. It's not their problem some of you act beyond parody.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 07, 2020, 03:15:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2020, 04:06:00 PM
Truly embarrassing
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 07, 2020, 04:11:40 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1325194709443080192?s=21
Truly embarrassing
I can’t wait until this account gets deleted.
Post by: reuben on November 07, 2020, 04:14:50 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1325194709443080192?s=21
Truly embarrassing
I 100% expect the Biden team to walk into the White House in January and find that Trump has personally ripped all of the copper out of the walls.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 07, 2020, 04:17:48 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1325194709443080192?s=21
Truly embarrassing
imagine trying to defend this
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 07, 2020, 04:20:39 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 07, 2020, 04:38:18 PM
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2020, 06:52:14 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1325194709443080192?s=21mj is this beyond parody?
Truly embarrassing
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 07, 2020, 08:06:22 PM
Bye bitch
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 07, 2020, 08:14:06 PM
https://twitter.com/ivannizzle/status/1325185593748303874?s=21
Bye bitch
https://youtu.be/XZBWk9ivHpo?t=5
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2020, 11:11:49 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201108/a7403f9a974cd6290c948a2088601252.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 08, 2020, 12:27:36 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 08, 2020, 12:35:58 PM
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1325315601401778176?s=21
Hahahahahahshahshahshshs
Post by: bojanglesman on November 08, 2020, 10:10:29 PM
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Trump campaign staffers have been fielding calls on a hotline to try to find voter fraud.
But the hotline has turned into a nightmare as staffers have been bombarded with prank calls from people laughing or mocking them over Biden's win before hanging up. https://t.co/6BpA9fjLKI
Lololol
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2020, 10:11:32 PM
https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1325530974957015040?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on November 08, 2020, 10:16:33 PM
Do itttttttttttOnce Donald is in "freak it" mode who knows what he does. He mught just empty the filing cabinet of secrets.
https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1325530974957015040?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on November 08, 2020, 10:18:41 PM
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2020, 10:29:34 PM
Journalistic malpractice to not include the hotline number in the article
Lololol
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2020, 10:30:31 PM
Once Donald is in "freak it" mode who knows what he does. He mught just empty the filing cabinet of secrets.Operation Dirty Laundry
Post by: bojanglesman on November 08, 2020, 10:34:40 PM
Journalistic malpractice to not include the hotline number in the article
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Please blast this out to your followers.
After being flooded with prank calls, the Trump campaign has had to change its voter fraud hotline phone number.
The new number is 800-895-4152
Post by: bojanglesman on November 09, 2020, 08:06:48 AM
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In its search for viable challenges to President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, President Trump’s campaign set up a voter fraud hotline after Election Day, encouraging people to call in with reports of suspicious incidents.
“Help stop voter suppression, irregularities and fraud,” the campaign said in social media posts promoting the hotline. “Tell us what you are seeing.”
Although the campaign has thus far failed to prove any voter fraud, the hotline has received no shortage of phone calls — all thanks to a viral campaign on TikTok and Twitter to clog the hotline with anti-Trump memes and absurd messages.
Campaign staffers in Virginia have been answering the calls, ABC News reported, fielding prank calls from Biden supporters who have played songs and movie clips, filed bogus reports, submitted the entire script for the 2007 film “Bee Movie,” or simply mocked Trump’s loss before hanging up.
Some people played rapper YG’s vulgar, anti-Trump rap, “FDT,” which rose up the charts as people celebrated Biden’s win. One woman said she met the devil at her Georgia polling place and he challenged her to a fiddle contest, but if she lost, Biden would win. Sportswriter Jeff Pearlman simply recounted the elaborate plot of the sitcom “Diff’rent Strokes.”
The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment late Sunday. But some of the president’s allies, including son Eric Trump, responded to the reports of spam calls by blaming Democrats.
“The DNC is spamming our voter fraud hotline to bog down the thousands of complaints we are receiving!” he said in a tweet Friday. “Wonder what they have to hide.”
TikTok and Twitter were rife this weekend with recordings of the prank calls.
Alex Hirsch, creator of the Disney Channel TV show “Gravity Falls,” called in to report that he saw a man, matching the description of McDonald’s Hamburglar, walk into a polling place wearing a “black hat, black mask, a striped shirt and a red tie, and I believe there were hamburgers in his bag."
“And he was saying, 'Robble, robble,’ as he was exiting the building,” Hirsch added. “Like a burglar. You know, I think he’s probably antifa.”
Comedian Tony Atamanuik, a noted Trump impersonator, used his impression of the president to call in to the hotline and “report the biggest fraud: the election is being stolen from me.”
Dozens of other people said they phoned the hotline with manufactured claims of voter fraud over the weekend.
One woman, who posted a recording of her conversation with a Trump campaign staffer working the hotline, posed as a Trump supporter in Michigan. She claimed she had been turned away from a polling place in Kalamazoo, Mich. — after already casting a vote in Detroit.
“I don’t think you’re allowed to vote twice,” the campaign staffer told her.
“Why wouldn’t I?” she said. “If the Democrats can do it, why can’t I?”
Young TikTok creators have trolled the Trump campaign in the past. This summer, alongside online-savvy fans of Korean pop groups, TikTok users encouraged their followers to falsely sign up to attend a June Trump rally in Tulsa, to make the crowd size much smaller than the campaign anticipated. The campaign denied the plot worked, saying the bogus RSVPs were rooted out, but the rally did draw far fewer people than anticipated.
Online activists also spammed a call for birthday messages to Trump this summer, and in 2017 people filled a hotline targeting “illegal aliens” with calls about E.T. and Superman.
On Sunday, comedian John Oliver suggested people submit images of rats mating, in a nod to an obscene slang term for devious political sabotage.
“It’s simply your patriotic duty to send them to the Trump campaign straight away,” Oliver said on “Last Week Tonight.”
The prank calls have reportedly made for miserable work among the campaign staffers working the hotline.
Axios reporter Jonathan Swan said on Twitter that an online submission form had also been flooded with “adult” images, describing those he had seen as “better left unpublished.”
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2020, 08:58:06 AM
https://twitter.com/chick_in_kiev/status/1325662197058596865?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2020, 09:41:09 AM
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2020, 12:02:42 PM
https://www.axios.com/trump-2024-presidential-run-4add0d86-02be-41f9-b2fd-5aaca96ce6ce.html
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 09, 2020, 12:27:19 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on November 09, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
Post by: IATA on November 09, 2020, 01:51:51 PM
Rex Chapman has definitively proven himself to be the pied piper of retards.
triggered little snowflake cant handle jokes
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 09, 2020, 01:56:25 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2020, 02:00:56 PM
Rex Chapman's Twitter account is basically stealing viral videos and TikToks from other places and retweeting them on his own account to get clout. And block or charge videos.
He’s a Twitter version of freak Jerry.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 09, 2020, 02:56:18 PM
Post by: IATA on November 09, 2020, 02:58:03 PM
Rex Chapman's Twitter account is basically stealing viral videos and TikToks from other places and retweeting them on his own account to get clout. And block or charge videos.
im pretty sure mj dosent click anything and has these repeated insults and comments saved in a word file and he just adds whatever name is talked about to it.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 09, 2020, 03:00:42 PM
triggered little snowflake cant handle jokes
Times like this I think of the prophetic and impactful words from international star of stage and screen, RedMan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOrd8jIt96M
im pretty sure mj dosent click anything and has these repeated insults and comments saved in a word file and he just adds whatever name is talked about to it.
Considering the stupid amount of NPC-like bullshit that's come out of your mouth with nary a thought behind it, the self-projection remains sky high.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2020, 03:52:02 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2020, 03:55:13 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on November 09, 2020, 03:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/vinn_ayy/status/1325863121018384385?s=21 (https://twitter.com/vinn_ayy/status/1325863121018384385?s=21)
There's twitter cringey hot garbage and then this freaking trash.
Post by: Johnny English on November 09, 2020, 04:10:31 PM
There's twitter cringey hot garbage and then this freaking trash.
For once I'm 100% in agreement with you.
More Carly Aquilino videos though please. That girl is awesome.
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2020, 04:12:33 PM
There's twitter cringey hot garbage and then this freaking trash.I hate that guy. Maximum shitlib, I couldn't find the video right now, but he did one for third party voters that was the dumbest thing I had seen in at least six or seven minutes.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 09, 2020, 04:14:12 PM
I hate that guy. Maximum shitlib, I couldn't find the video right now, but he did one for third party voters that was the dumbest thing I had seen in at least six or seven minutes.Why do you even know that guy?
Post by: reuben on November 09, 2020, 04:23:37 PM
https://twitter.com/vinn_ayy/status/1325863121018384385?s=21 (https://twitter.com/vinn_ayy/status/1325863121018384385?s=21)
It's like he almost knows the joke, but he can't figure out how to tell it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
It's like he almost knows the joke, but he can't figure out how to tell it.
It’s like a very shitty version of a Blaire Eskrine or Brent Terhune video.
Post by: Badger on November 09, 2020, 04:45:32 PM
Why do you even know that guy?Because I had the misfortune of seeing another one of his videos months ago
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 09, 2020, 04:46:08 PM
For once I'm 100% in agreement with you.
More Carly Aquilino videos though please. That girl is awesome.
https://www.tiktok.com/@fashiongirl42069/video/6892598366325230853
LMFAOOOO IM STILL FVCKING ROLLING, I WILL NEVER FORGET THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED WITH THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY DURING OUR TIME
GIULIANI WAS HYSTERICALLY TALKING ABOUT VOTER FRAUD AND THE ELECTION RESULTS AT A PODIUM IN SOME SH1THOLE IN NORTHEAST PHILLY LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOLY FVCKING excrement
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 09, 2020, 04:50:30 PM
https://www.tiktok.com/@fashiongirl42069/video/6892598366325230853
LMFAOOOO IM STILL FVCKING ROLLING, I WILL NEVER FORGET THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED WITH THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY DURING OUR TIME
GIULIANI WAS HYSTERICALLY TALKING ABOUT VOTER FRAUD AND THE ELECTION RESULTS AT A PODIUM IN SOME SH1THOLE IN NORTHEAST PHILLY LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOLY FVCKING excrement
Never forget that said excrement hole is between a crematorium and a porn shop.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 09, 2020, 10:20:17 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 10, 2020, 05:59:19 PM
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/defeated-trump-purges-top-pentagon-intel-officials-and-installs-loyalists
Is he gearing up to start a war that no sane person would want anything to do with, so he can ram through some kind of emergency act enabling him to stay in the White House?
Post by: reuben on November 10, 2020, 06:49:09 PM
What is happening here?
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/defeated-trump-purges-top-pentagon-intel-officials-and-installs-loyalists
Is he gearing up to start a war that no sane person would want anything to do with, so he can ram through some kind of emergency act enabling him to stay in the White House?
That's too grand for Trump. I think he's just putting people in place who'll leave upperdeckers in as many government bathrooms as possible.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 11, 2020, 08:03:57 AM
What a hoo-ha
Post by: Johnny English on November 12, 2020, 03:38:53 PM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/judge-dismisses-donald-trumps-libel-suit-against-cnn
Post by: Badger on November 12, 2020, 05:07:47 PM
Continuing the theme of Trump not having a great time in court at the moment:Wow, Soros even controls the courts!
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/judge-dismisses-donald-trumps-libel-suit-against-cnn
Post by: Heismanberg on November 13, 2020, 03:32:32 PM
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2020, 04:23:05 PM
He is taking credit for Pfizer's vaccineHis uncle at MIT gave him good brain
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2020, 04:27:50 PM
He is taking credit for Pfizer's vaccine
The one developed in Germany? By a pair of Turkish-German Muslims?
Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2020, 04:29:11 PM
The one developed in Germany? By a pair of Turkish-German Muslims?
If he wouldn't have banned them from entering the US, they wouldn't have remained in Germany to develop the vaccine. Next-level.
Post by: MBGreen on November 13, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
If he wouldn't have banned them from entering the US, they wouldn't have remained in Germany to develop the vaccine. Next-level.
bleeeedat
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2020, 04:40:31 PM
The one developed in Germany? By a pair of Turkish-German Muslims?Mohammed Suicmez?
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2020, 04:44:08 PM
Mohammed Suicmez?
It will come as no surprise to you that I had to google that, you extremist weirdo.
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2020, 04:50:19 PM
It will come as no surprise to you that I had to google that, you extremist weirdo.The solo in Fermented Offal Discharge is an all-timer
Post by: Heismanberg on November 14, 2020, 11:08:58 AM
lmao
Post by: bojanglesman on November 14, 2020, 03:23:48 PM
https://t.co/M3RMHd3sg1
Post by: Andrew Ryan on November 14, 2020, 03:46:43 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 14, 2020, 04:08:03 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 14, 2020, 04:13:08 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 14, 2020, 05:21:17 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 14, 2020, 05:53:33 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnClaytonNFL/status/1327653433126514689?s=20
lmao
https://twitter.com/johnclaytonnfl/status/1327671829280870401?s=21
Also lmao
Post by: bojanglesman on November 14, 2020, 05:58:18 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 14, 2020, 06:01:04 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 14, 2020, 06:05:48 PM
Cats and gay men take over #ProudBoys hashtag during 'Million MAGA March' https://t.co/nFk9GDF9mA
Hahahaha this happened earlier in the summer, too.
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2020, 11:49:56 AM
https://twitter.com/johnclaytonnfl/status/1327671829280870401?s=21I don't understand why people are upset at him for not deleting it. I was 60% it was an accident to begin with.
Also lmao
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2020, 03:30:17 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328055196904251397?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 15, 2020, 04:25:52 PM
Owned
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1328055196904251397?s=19
I mean, yeah John Bolton sucks.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 16, 2020, 09:43:50 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 20, 2020, 10:56:53 AM
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Edward Norton: I’m no political pundit but I grew up w a dad who was a federal prosecutor & he taught me a lot & I’ve also sat a fair amount of poker w serious players & l’ll say this: I do not think Trump is trying to ‘make his base happy’ or ‘laying the groundwork for his own network’ or that ‘chaos is what he loves’. The core of it is that he knows he’s in deep, multi-dimensional legal jeopardy & this defines his every action. We’re seeing 1) a tactical delay of the transition to buy time for coverup & evidence suppression 2) above all, a desperate endgame which is to create enough chaos & anxiety about peaceful transfer of power, & fear of irreparable damage to the system, that he can cut a Nixon-style deal in exchange for finally conceding. But he doesn’t have the cards. His bluff after ‘the flop’ has been called in court. His ‘turn card’ bluff will be an escalation & his ‘River card’ bluff could be really ugly. But they have to be called. We cannot let this mobster bully the USA into a deal to save his derriere by threatening our democracy. THAT is his play. But he’s got junk in his hand. So call him. I will allow that he’s also a whiny, sulky, petulant, Grinchy, vindictive little 10-ply-super-soft bitch who no doubt is just throwing a wicked pout fest & trying to give a tiny-hand middle finger to the whole country for pure spite, without a single thought for the dead & dying. But his contemptible, treasonous, seditious assault on the stability of our political compact isn’t about 2024, personal enrichment or anything else other than trying to use chaos & threat to the foundation of the system as leverage to trade for a safe exit. Call. His. Bluff. Faith in the strength of our sacred institutions & founding principles is severely stretched...but they will hold. They will. He’s leaving, gracelessly & in infamy. But if we trade for it, give him some brokered settlement, we’ll be vulnerable to his return. We can’t flinch.
Post by: Johnny English on November 20, 2020, 07:25:18 PM
If it wasn't clear before, guys, he's mentally ill. It's not too late to go full 25th. It would be a fitting epitaph.
Post by: Badger on November 20, 2020, 10:09:03 PM
If it wasn't clear before, guys, he's mentally ill. It's not too late to go full 25th. It would be a fitting epitaph.
Risky precedent considering who's on deck
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 21, 2020, 08:38:50 PM
I mean of course places like Politico and CNN would want this
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 08:34:59 AM
https://twitter.com/nahaltoosi/status/1330299411621179392?s=21I do too if he blocks a Republican with a functioning brain from getting the nom.
I mean of course places like Politico and CNN would want this
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 22, 2020, 08:51:28 AM
I do too if he blocks a Republican with a functioning brain from getting the nom.
Wasn't that the rationalization for his first nom?
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 02:06:34 PM
Wasn't that the rationalization for his first nom?I humbly suggest the world would be a worse place after 4 years of Cruz.
Also the Clinton campaign's rationalization was that he would be easier to beat in the general, lol.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 22, 2020, 02:11:04 PM
I humbly suggest the world would be a worse place after 4 years of Cruz.
Toss up but Cruz wasn't backed by the same militant racists. He also wasn't competent and lacks a functioning brain.
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Also the Clinton campaign's rationalization was that he would be easier to beat in the general, lol.
Cruz?
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 02:18:19 PM
Cruz?
Trump, the Clinton campaign intentionally boosted his profile
Post by: bojanglesman on November 22, 2020, 02:25:52 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 22, 2020, 02:36:34 PM
Trump, the Clinton campaign intentionally boosted his profile
Then that part seems to agree with me that being dismissive of him is not the best attitude.
Cruz would have been a better president than Trump. Awful, but better.
His politics would have been awful and he would have probably had a better working relationship with McConnell without the outrage of Trump's disregard for procedural norms. However, he was never a serious option.
Post by: reuben on November 22, 2020, 02:44:51 PM
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 03:00:48 PM
Cruz would have been a better president than Trump. Awful, but better.No.
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2020, 10:22:18 PM
-Carl Bernstein
2 thoughts
-Wow way to show it by going along with virtually everything he did
-Now they're all gonna get primaried by Qanon psychos for not being perfectly deferential to daddy
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2020, 01:12:55 AM
"The 21 GOP Senators who have privately expressed their disdain for Trump are: Portman, Alexander, Sasse, Blunt, Collins, Murkowski, Cornyn, Thune, Romney, Braun, Young, Tim Scott, Rick Scott, Rubio, Grassley, Burr, Toomey, McSally, Moran, Roberts, Shelby."
-Carl Bernstein
2 thoughts
-Wow way to show it by going along with virtually everything he did
-Now they're all gonna get primaried by Qanon psychos for not being perfectly deferential to daddy
This is the scariest possibility.
That poopchute from the Jets who won his Utah district is another QAnon linked candidate, which puts 3 of them in the House.
Loeffler has accepted endorsements from and endorsed Q sources which could put one in the Senate.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2020, 11:24:13 AM
Post by: IATA on November 23, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
How does one make it known they’re affiliated with QAnon or whatever? Make their 4chan account public?
you have a profile like this crazy queynte
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee?s=20
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2020, 11:41:29 AM
you have a profile like this crazy queynte
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee?s=20
I hate this lying sack of excrement so much.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2020, 11:44:42 AM
you have a profile like this crazy queynte
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee?s=20
Don’t see anything about pizza or Chrissy Teigen on there.
I know she’s said excrement in the past, don’t remember what, I just thought the whole QAnon thing had run its course. I don’t even get how it works. Does he make public statements or something?
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2020, 12:06:29 PM
"The 21 GOP Senators who have privately expressed their disdain for Trump are: Portman, Alexander, Sasse, Blunt, Collins, Murkowski, Cornyn, Thune, Romney, Braun, Young, Tim Scott, Rick Scott, Rubio, Grassley, Burr, Toomey, McSally, Moran, Roberts, Shelby."
-Carl Bernstein
2 thoughts
-Wow way to show it by going along with virtually everything he did
-Now they're all gonna get primaried by Qanon psychos for not being perfectly deferential to daddy
Half of them are either gone/retiring after current term (McSally, Alexander, Toomey, probably Shelby, Roberts and Grassley) or in seats that are relatively safe from the threat of QAnon nutbaggery (Collins, Romney, Cornyn, Rubio).
Post by: Badger on November 23, 2020, 12:27:23 PM
Don’t see anything about pizza or Chrissy Teigen on there.
She was quote tweeting Ilhan Omar and saying she married her brother the other day, standard qtard stuff.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 23, 2020, 12:44:21 PM
Toss up but Cruz wasn't backed by the same militant racists. He also wasn't competent and lacks a functioning brain.
JFC imagine just being the mixture of stupid and ignorant to believe this excrement. Shouldn't pick on Cato considering he's not the only retard here that actually buys this nonsense.
This is the scariest possibility.
That poopchute from the Jets who won his Utah district is another QAnon linked candidate, which puts 3 of them in the House.
Loeffler has accepted endorsements from and endorsed Q sources which could put one in the Senate.
Burgess Owens is more of a man then you'll ever be, but I look forward to skinny little white libs calling him an Uncle Tom during the duration of his congressional career.
Post by: Badger on November 23, 2020, 01:00:04 PM
Burgess Owens is more of a man then you'll ever be, but I look forward to skinny little white libs calling him an Uncle Tom during the duration of his congressional career.
I heard he married his sister
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2020, 01:15:57 PM
I heard he married his sister
He's a Mormon, I think they're allowed to
Post by: Heismanberg on November 23, 2020, 01:29:33 PM
Burgess Owens is more of a man then you'll ever be
Do you bite your MyPillow when Owens is railing you up the derriere?
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2020, 06:14:44 PM
Post by: Badger on November 24, 2020, 11:22:14 AM
https://twitter.com/RandyRRQuaid/status/1327043884082409474?s=19
Post by: delavan on November 24, 2020, 02:28:23 PM
She was quote tweeting Ilhan Omar and saying she married her brother the other day, standard qtard stuff.
C'mon, everyone knows she didn't marry her brother the other day.. : )
Post by: reuben on November 24, 2020, 04:12:40 PM
Classic Randy
https://twitter.com/RandyRRQuaid/status/1327043884082409474?s=19
I never realized until just now how much I'd like to see Randy Quaid play Gandalf in an all-nutjob remake of Lord of the Rings.
Post by: Badger on November 25, 2020, 08:30:29 AM
https://www.axios.com/israeli-military-prepares-trump-iran-0d0a5725-c410-4f5c-a0ea-9c6f9add4966.html
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 25, 2020, 08:42:43 AM
Neat
https://www.axios.com/israeli-military-prepares-trump-iran-0d0a5725-c410-4f5c-a0ea-9c6f9add4966.html
trump: 'i should have won the nobel peace prize'
trump supporters: 'he hasn't started any wars!'
Post by: IATA on November 25, 2020, 09:59:05 AM
Luckily it's just IDF being worried, but my goodness I hopes there's no fire from that smoke
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 25, 2020, 10:01:58 AM
https://twitter.com/scaramucci/status/1331459218386325505?s=21 (https://twitter.com/scaramucci/status/1331459218386325505?s=21)
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2020, 11:38:51 AM
Could you freaking imagine if trump starts a way with Iran with a few days left in his term? Holyyyy freak lol
Luckily it's just IDF being worried, but my goodness I hopes there's no fire from that smoke
Sent from fire adam gase.
I don't put anything past him, but it wouldn't make sense seeing that he just withdrew a bunch of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan against military recommendations just so he could say he doesn't like unnecessary wars. I mean, I guess he could just lob a few missiles over there just to be an poopchute on January 19th.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2020, 03:18:11 PM
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-25-20/h_2ea9cde73279e6446b5b34db90136057
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2020, 04:01:19 PM
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Now that he's pardoned, Mike Flynn loses all protection against compelled testimony under the 5th Amendment, so he can be subpoenaed anytime by the House and if he lies, he goes to jail.
Won't matter anyway because Democrats are pusses.
Post by: delavan on November 25, 2020, 06:04:12 PM
Trump pardoned Flynn.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-25-20/h_2ea9cde73279e6446b5b34db90136057
Not sure if true, do we have a lawyer here?Won't matter (and get used to it in Trump's final days to come) because it comes with the territory. Reagan pardoned Steinbrenner, Bill Clinton pardoned (and probably then fucked) Patty Hearst--but he also pardoned Marc Rich, probably the worst in recent memory. G.W. Bush commuted Scooter Libby (outed Valerie Plame), a total scumbag. Obama pardoned Oscar Lopez, an FALN terrorist (Fraunces Tavern). Besides, nobody was bitching when Trump went 'across the aisle' and pardoned Democrat Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich. Goose/gander.
Won't matter anyway because Democrats are pusses.
Post by: reuben on November 25, 2020, 06:09:06 PM
Besides, nobody was bitching when Trump went 'across the aisle' and pardoned Democrat Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich.
I certainly bitched.
Post by: Badger on November 25, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Won't matter (and get used to it in Trump's final days to come) because it comes with the territory. Reagan pardoned Steinbrenner, Bill Clinton pardoned (and probably then fucked) Patty Hearst--but he also pardoned Marc Rich, probably the worst in recent memory. G.W. Bush commuted Scooter Libby (outed Valerie Plame), a total scumbag. Obama pardoned Oscar Lopez, an FALN terrorist (Fraunces Tavern). Besides, nobody was bitching when Trump went 'across the aisle' and pardoned Democrat Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich. Goose/gander.Big omission of Bush 1 pardoning everyone on the hook for Iran Contra.
Post by: delavan on November 25, 2020, 06:23:38 PM
Big omission of Bush 1 pardoning everyone on the hook for Iran Contra.
Big?? HUGE!!! Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa....
... sorry, but the point being...
Post by: bojanglesman on November 25, 2020, 07:22:58 PM
Won't matter (and get used to it in Trump's final days to come) because it comes with the territory. Reagan pardoned Steinbrenner, Bill Clinton pardoned (and probably then fucked) Patty Hearst--but he also pardoned Marc Rich, probably the worst in recent memory. G.W. Bush commuted Scooter Libby (outed Valerie Plame), a total scumbag. Obama pardoned Oscar Lopez, an FALN terrorist (Fraunces Tavern). Besides, nobody was bitching when Trump went 'across the aisle' and pardoned Democrat Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich. Goose/gander.I meant will it matter that he loses his 5th amendment rights and could be forced to testify against Trump.
Post by: Johnny English on November 25, 2020, 07:33:30 PM
I meant will it matter that he loses his 5th amendment rights and could be forced to testify against Trump.
I don't know why the Biden administration would bother pursuing charges against Trump. You just got rid of him, why would you provide a platform for him to spend the next four years in the spotlight? 5 years ago Donald Trump was a goofy clown on a excrement TV show, he didn't have cult followers then. If you ignore him now I don't think he'll have anything like as many a year from now. Let him go be the star of Newsmax and splinter the GOP for the next little while.
Post by: Badger on November 28, 2020, 09:46:17 AM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1332671375899815936?s=19
Post by: mj2sexay on November 28, 2020, 06:01:13 PM
Do you bite your MyPillow when Owens is railing you up the derriere?
Eat excrement stupid.
Love that we're now on "TrUmP iS goIng to StARt A wAr" fanfic, even though his term definitively proved that most of your "Anti-war left" are a bunch of frauds, and we're bitching about the Flynn pardon despite the man taking a plea and being compelled to give a confession under complete duress.
Sitting here wondering if the same types who think Flynn wasn't done dirty would've gone along with show trials of a previous age and uttered something like, "LOL Zinoviev was totally a capitalist sabateur who was paid by the Germans (as much as that piece of excrement got what was coming)."
Post by: bojanglesman on November 28, 2020, 06:16:54 PM
Eat excrement stupid.Man, you're really down the Trump rabbit hole.
Love that we're now on "TrUmP iS goIng to StARt A wAr" fanfic, even though his term definitively proved that most of your "Anti-war left" are a bunch of frauds, and we're bitching about the Flynn pardon despite the man taking a plea and being compelled to give a confession under complete duress.
Sitting here wondering if the same types who think Flynn wasn't done dirty would've gone along with show trials of a previous age and uttered something like, "LOL Zinoviev was totally a capitalist sabateur who was paid by the Germans (as much as that piece of excrement got what was coming)."
Post by: mj2sexay on November 28, 2020, 06:26:23 PM
Man, you're really down the Trump rabbit hole.
It's quite an unbelievable charge considering the constant rush towards bias affirming fake news thats done in this place with outright contempt being brought towards any source that offers a counter or proves it wrong.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 29, 2020, 11:44:40 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on November 29, 2020, 04:20:22 PM
Trump is getting mad about the rumors he wears adult diapers and shits himself all the time like a baby.
Brought to you by the same people who gave us the pee pee dossier and "dRUMP laughed at fallen soldiers."
But I'm down the rabbit hole.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 29, 2020, 04:32:41 PM
Brought to you by the same people who gave us the pee pee dossier and "dRUMP laughed at fallen soldiers."I'm enjoying the comedy. Stop trying to be real about it.
But I'm down the rabbit hole.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 29, 2020, 04:34:58 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 30, 2020, 10:40:30 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 30, 2020, 01:33:15 PM
NEW: Ajit Pai officially announced plans to depart as FCC chairman on Jan 20
Yeah! GTFO
Post by: bojanglesman on November 30, 2020, 06:39:30 PM
Here’s a look at the details of his resignation letter dated tomorrow. https://t.co/ViA0d02ZTM
Good, freak him.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 01, 2020, 08:27:30 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 01, 2020, 08:42:20 AM
Trump has raised 170M since Election Day. His campaign has sent exactly 400 fundraising appeal emails between election night and Tuesday morning, as well as 125 fundraising text messages- reports @JDiamond1
Some of the bigger donors are starting to ask for their money back.
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2020, 09:23:13 AM
Trump has raised 170M since Election Day. His campaign has sent exactly 400 fundraising appeal emails between election night and Tuesday morning, as well as 125 fundraising text messages- reports @JDiamond1My phone and the JO gmail account can confirm
Post by: bojanglesman on December 03, 2020, 07:40:23 AM
Haha, he isn't even trying anymore.
Post by: reuben on December 03, 2020, 10:31:53 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/roger-stone-says-north-korean-boats-delivered-ballots-through-maine-harbor-trump-boosts-fraud-1551937
Haha, he isn't even trying anymore.
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Roger Stone Says North Korean Boats Delivered Ballots Through Maine Harbor
That's a madlibs headline if I've ever seen one.
Post by: IATA on December 03, 2020, 10:35:50 AM
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2020, 11:19:04 AM
Post by: delavan on December 03, 2020, 11:26:39 AM
Post by: reuben on December 04, 2020, 11:26:42 AM
Dead ringer
Post by: bojanglesman on December 04, 2020, 11:31:57 AM
Post by: delavan on December 04, 2020, 01:15:31 PM
those eerie eyes...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Greyhoundsilverside2.JPG/640px-Greyhoundsilverside2.JPG)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 04, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 04, 2020, 01:59:23 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 07, 2020, 03:50:37 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/07/world/covid-19-coronavirus#trump-administration-officials-passed-when-pfizer-offered-in-late-summer-to-sell-the-us-more-vaccine-doses
And by "us" I mean "not you".
Post by: Johnny English on December 08, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 09, 2020, 04:01:46 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1336680803682693126?s=21
Post by: Badger on December 12, 2020, 11:40:10 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 12, 2020, 11:42:38 AM
https://twitter.com/char__latte/status/1337661532449222657?s=19
Yeah that’s weird.
Post by: IATA on December 12, 2020, 12:49:37 PM
Post by: Badger on December 12, 2020, 04:57:38 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 12, 2020, 05:46:40 PM
lol(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201212/47db9d2f2afeb53d2a96d618f5201761.jpg)
I saw that yesterday, his desperation to try and be relevant is pathetic.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 13, 2020, 09:14:38 AM
Post by: Badger on December 13, 2020, 10:08:20 AM
Thankful for that doosh getting deplatformedCancel culture has gone too far!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2020, 12:10:15 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 15, 2020, 12:43:59 PM
https://twitter.com/warclandestine/status/1338631716102148096?s=10
Lol this tweet is a great way to celebrate the last moment your followers didn't know you were a virgin.
No one on dating apps in DC waits until personally meeting someone before asking about party affiliations and voting history on Nov 3, 2020.
Post by: Badger on December 15, 2020, 01:18:21 PM
Lol this tweet is a great way to celebrate the last moment your followers didn't know you were a virgin.Girl no touch peepee :( this is exactly like 1984
No one on dating apps in DC waits until personally meeting someone before asking about party affiliations and voting history on Nov 3, 2020.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 15, 2020, 08:15:32 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 16, 2020, 08:59:24 AM
Trump's Mar-a-Lago neighbors don't want him to move there. They may be able to stop him, too.
https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/trumps-mar-lago-neighbors-dont-055600648.html?__twitter_impression=true
Lol.
Post by: Johnny English on December 16, 2020, 11:18:28 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-discussing-firing-barrs-successor-as-attorney-general-report-2020-12
This guy is basically the political equivalent of Gase and Williams, calling timeouts to stop the clock and sending blitzes while he's down three scores with seconds left in the game.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 18, 2020, 05:56:12 PM
Post by: Badger on December 18, 2020, 07:09:48 PM
Vice President Mike Pence announces that uniformed members of the U.S. Space Force will be called Guardians. Threre you have it: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines and Guardiansof the Galaxy
Post by: Johnny English on December 18, 2020, 08:43:30 PM
Vice President Mike Pence announces that uniformed members of the U.S. Space Force will be called Guardians. Threre you have it: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines and Guardians
I have to think that this branch of the military will exist for about another month.
Post by: Johnny English on December 18, 2020, 08:51:32 PM
bUt tHe RuSsIa tHiNg iS a hOaX
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 19, 2020, 11:33:51 AM
Post by: delavan on December 19, 2020, 12:09:05 PM
Vice President Mike Pence announces that uniformed members of the U.S. Space Force will be called Guardians. Threre you have it: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines and Guardians
Space Cadets
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/KdV13_Lineup_RoyalSt_Space_Cadets.JPG/320px-KdV13_Lineup_RoyalSt_Space_Cadets.JPG)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_4.jpg/166px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_4.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2020, 03:35:57 PM
Trump now contradicting Pompeo on the hacks, downplaying both the severity and the Russian involvement.
Actual cybersecurity experts have been fairly unanimous in their view that it is hugely serious and very concerning.
There really isn't much doubt left that he is a Russian asset.
Post by: Badger on December 19, 2020, 03:36:41 PM
Actual cybersecurity experts have been fairly unanimous in their view that it is hugely serious and very concerning.lol
There really isn't much doubt left that he is a Russian asset.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 19, 2020, 03:50:01 PM
Trump’s the only one deflecting blame away from Russia, but they all have different level of skills and different techniques. If experts are all pointing in one direction, it’s because there are obvious signs.
lol
Freak off, mate.
Post by: Badger on December 21, 2020, 09:21:52 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 22, 2020, 07:17:19 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2020, 07:51:39 PM
One last moment of brilliance.
By his normal standards it was surprisingly cogent, even if he did stand there twisting and writhing as he talked like he had a turtle's head appearing, but he did make some reasonable points. Notable by their absence were any mention of the $500M to Israel and $1.4B for his comedy wall though, so that rather takes away from any moral position he might have been trying to claim. Also worth pointing out that some of the items he called out are still stimulus payments, just in the form of contracts and project funding rather than direct payments. There's an economic argument that infrastructure purchases are a better tool than handouts, they just might lack the immediacy that the current situation merits (although I imagine that many are already in place and simply awaiting funding, so there's no procurement lag). But I wouldn't expect someone with such a woeful grasp of economics and business as Trump to have figured that out.
A generous 5/10. Definitely one of the better efforts of his reign. A sad indictment that after four years that's still the best he can do.
Post by: IATA on December 23, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
i cannot wait to read donald trumps obituary.
Post by: delavan on December 23, 2020, 09:15:21 AM
trump pardoned a bunch of blackwater guards who opened fire on a town square and murdered 14 innocent iraqis, including several children.
i cannot wait to read donald trumps obituary.
These sons of bitches were murderers by any standard and their pardons were wrong.
That said, this story's inclusive wording of "pre-Christmas" in the very first sentence did give me pause.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/us/politics/trump-pardons.html
Post by: IATA on December 23, 2020, 06:38:10 PM
I'm looking forward to his final day when he pardons the entirety of Death Row and everyone in Pelican Bay.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 24, 2020, 08:00:08 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 24, 2020, 12:01:05 PM
The pardon for the Black Water war criminals is one of the worst things I've seen a president do.
Which is kind of amazing considering who did it.
I am starting to think that the day before Biden's inauguration Trump is going to hold his final press conference where he admits to a laundry list of crimes and immediately pardons himself as his final executive action.
Post by: reuben on December 24, 2020, 02:31:45 PM
Post by: delavan on December 24, 2020, 04:03:56 PM
Post by: IATA on December 24, 2020, 04:19:16 PM
Does he show up for Biden's inauguration? Probably, being the ego/megla that he is. He'll also probably "dust off 2016" and brag about his inauguration drawing a bigger crowd than Joe's rona hootenanny lol
i would be kind of surprised if he did.
hes prob not leaving mar-a-lago for awhile.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 24, 2020, 11:03:52 PM
Does he show up for Biden's inauguration? Probably, being the ego/megla that he is. He'll also probably "dust off 2016" and brag about his inauguration drawing a bigger crowd than Joe's rona hootenanny lol
No way
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 25, 2020, 07:11:59 AM
Does he show up for Biden's inauguration? Probably, being the ego/megla that he is. He'll also probably "dust off 2016" and brag about his inauguration drawing a bigger crowd than Joe's rona hootenanny lol
He'll be on a flight to Argentina within minutes of Biden starting his inauguration oath.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 25, 2020, 08:58:03 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201225/5189d8409f370edb738f9c113e7cd198.gif)
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2020, 12:13:40 PM
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1343900372696522753?s=19
Post by: IATA on December 29, 2020, 01:09:30 PM
good ole matt gaetz
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 29, 2020, 01:15:15 PM
https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1343295588708851721It's funny since I've heard so many people say Trump isn't a Republican.
good ole matt gaetz
Post by: Johnny English on December 29, 2020, 05:03:51 PM
First he anointed himself Time Person Of The Year and had a cover faked to prove it to himself, now he's awarding himself the Nobel Peace Prize.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 29, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
https://twitter.com/davidgura/status/1343690885276561408
First he anointed himself Time Person Of The Year and had a cover faked to prove it to himself, now he's awarding himself the Nobel Peace Prize.
Fragile masculinity is hilarious.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 30, 2020, 09:14:03 AM
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/12/2-downtown-dc-trump-supporter-hangouts-to-be-closed-for-jan-6-rally/ (https://wtop.com/dc/2020/12/2-downtown-dc-trump-supporter-hangouts-to-be-closed-for-jan-6-rally/)
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 03, 2021, 12:39:51 PM
Post by: delavan on January 03, 2021, 03:58:46 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trump-berates-ga-secretary-of-state-urges-him-to-find-votes/2021/01/03/aba64f5f-8c3c-490f-af34-618ccea732d7_video.html
Even with Trump claiming Georgia (which he can't) it changes nothing - Biden's still ends up well over 270. Game over, move on already.
"Democracy Dies in Darkness" ooooh.....heavy
Post by: bojanglesman on January 03, 2021, 04:48:07 PM
Even with Trump claiming Georgia (which he can't) it changes nothing - Biden's still ends up well over 270. Game over, move on already.In his mind, that would just be the foot in the door for the other states.
"Democracy Dies in Darkness" ooooh.....heavy
Post by: Libero_2 on January 03, 2021, 04:54:49 PM
In his mind, that would just be the foot in the door for the other states.
I’m sure he’s having similar calls with any state he lost that’s even remotely close, hoping to bully one group or get them to crack and once he does it opens the door for him to claim widespread fraud everywhere
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 05:03:06 PM
In his mind, that would just be the foot in the door for the other states.
I’m sure he’s having similar calls with any state he lost that’s even remotely close, hoping to bully one group or get them to crack and once he does it opens the door for him to claim widespread fraud everywhere
That’s a bingo.
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2021, 05:24:46 PM
Post by: IATA on January 03, 2021, 05:50:22 PM
How did WaPo get this recording? I assume it's not a FOIA request, so presumably someone from Georgia leaked it.It has to be someone in the SoS office.
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: IATA on January 03, 2021, 05:52:01 PM
Full transcript.
If this dosent meet the standard for corruption and fraud, I'm not sure what will.
Let's see how the trump stans go with it
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: IATA on January 03, 2021, 05:53:21 PM
I’m sure he’s having similar calls with any state he lost that’s even remotely close, hoping to bully one group or get them to crack and once he does it opens the door for him to claim widespread fraud everywhereAnd the fact that this got leaked will make these dudes think twice about listening to this dumbass
Sent from fire adam gase.
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2021, 05:54:36 PM
https://pastebin.com/KM5NFfRg*clears throat, cracks knuckles*
Full transcript.
If this dosent meet the standard for corruption and fraud, I'm not sure what will.
Let's see how the trump stans go with it
Sent from fire adam gase.
China.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 03, 2021, 06:00:06 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 06:01:00 PM
https://pastebin.com/KM5NFfRg
Full transcript.
If this dosent meet the standard for corruption and fraud, I'm not sure what will.
Let's see how the trump stans go with it
Sent from fire adam gase.
House Judiciary should have an up or down vote on impeachment, but they’ll just let it ride.
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2021, 06:02:53 PM
And the fact that this got leaked will make these dudes think twice about listening to this dumbass
Sent from fire adam gase.
LOL no it won't. No one's changing their mind about him now. It's not a terrible thing either, the fracturing of the Republican party into GOP and Trumpists isn't the worst thing that could happen.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 06:04:10 PM
LOL no it won't. No one's changing their mind about him now. It's not a terrible thing either, the fracturing of the Republican party into GOP and Trumpists isn't the worst thing that could happen.
The scary part is whether the fracture follows the elected officials down to the electorate.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 06:15:08 PM
https://twitter.com/monicalewinsky/status/1345875168762052609?s=21 (https://twitter.com/monicalewinsky/status/1345875168762052609?s=21)
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2021, 06:15:22 PM
The scary part is whether the fracture follows the elected officials down to the electorate.Trump is an accurate reflection of the base, technically the Rs pretending otherwise are doing the fracturing.
Post by: Johnny English on January 03, 2021, 06:25:17 PM
Trump is an accurate reflection of the base, technically the Rs pretending otherwise are doing the fracturing.
I dunno, I think the Republicans for quite a few years now have been doing a better job of holding together a coalition of competing ideas than the Democrats but it couldn't last forever. You can't have libertarians and soccer moms and literal nazis all voting for the same thing for long before it all splinters. The problem is that they started pandering to the extremists rather than the core base, and forcing the edges to come along.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 03, 2021, 06:26:13 PM
Trump is an accurate reflection of the base, technically the Rs pretending otherwise are doing the fracturing.
Truth, but I'm hoping the centrist conservatives are able to drag enough voters away to actually damage it on a national level.
Post by: reuben on January 03, 2021, 08:01:52 PM
"Democracy Dies in Darkness" ooooh.....heavy
They tweaked it to "Democracy Dies in Dankness" for a while because that's something kidsthesedays say.
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2021, 10:42:49 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2021, 12:37:34 PM
All being well it will be enough to quiet down some of the idiot voices on Capitol Hill threatening to make a scene this week, but the whole "worse than Watergate" narrative seems to be something of an overreaction.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 04, 2021, 12:55:44 PM
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2021, 01:43:02 PM
All being well it will be enough to quiet down some of the idiot voices on Capitol Hill threatening to make a scene this week, but the whole "worse than Watergate" narrative seems to be something of an overreaction.
Watergate became the benchmark for controversies because the people involved were actually held accountable. That's not a thing anymore, so it definitely won't measure up to Watergate.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 04, 2021, 08:30:24 PM
This is the #content
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2021, 09:33:31 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2021, 11:55:21 PM
That's the best thing I've seen all day.Only because you hadn't seen this:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1345994856674557952.html
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2021, 06:21:12 AM
Only because you hadn't seen this:Lizard Squad is the leading candidate for my next team name in Friars.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1345994856674557952.html
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2021, 12:18:15 PM
The freak you are, say Scotland (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trump-biden-inauguration-scotland-sturgeon-lockdown-b1782602.html)
Post by: IATA on January 06, 2021, 09:24:46 AM
Happy birthday, Eric. the days is yours, enjoy it!
Johnny English is a jerk
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 06, 2021, 10:52:48 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 06, 2021, 12:04:52 PM
Very fine people. (https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/krfnph/saw_this_in_my_neighbor_group_probably_just_a_few/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
JFC, enough already.
It's time to consider this outright terrorism and use every method available to pursue and detain these pieces of excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on January 06, 2021, 06:10:45 PM
https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1346970430062485505
Post by: IATA on January 06, 2021, 06:31:39 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 06, 2021, 06:33:08 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210107/bfbeca5d2bd5df95489dcccc5f8ba2cf.jpg)
I’m still unclear, is it a website or an app?
Post by: Badger on January 06, 2021, 06:34:39 PM
I’m still unclear, is it a website or an app?Yes
Post by: Badger on January 06, 2021, 06:38:50 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 06, 2021, 06:40:26 PM
I've been suspended for longer for less than that on Twitter.
If I’m reading this correctly, the clock doesn’t start ticking until he actually removes the tweets. This could be indefinite.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 06, 2021, 06:44:38 PM
https://twitter.com/thatgirlvondra/status/1346947133757218817?s=21 (https://twitter.com/thatgirlvondra/status/1346947133757218817?s=21)
Post by: bojanglesman on January 06, 2021, 06:46:53 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 07, 2021, 10:00:53 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 07, 2021, 10:17:12 AM
In a statement to The Associated Press, Barr said Thursday that “orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable.”
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2021, 10:21:11 AM
Former Attorney General William Barr says President Donald Trump’s conduct as a violent mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol was a “betrayal of his office and supporters.”
In a statement to The Associated Press, Barr said Thursday that “orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable.”
great!...what's gonna be done about it?
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 07, 2021, 11:00:55 AM
Former Attorney General William Barr says President Donald Trump’s conduct as a violent mob of his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol was a “betrayal of his office and supporters.”
In a statement to The Associated Press, Barr said Thursday that “orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable.”
If only he had the ability to have done something about it.
This big talk and resignations from people who have been kowtowing to him and feeding his ego over the past 4 years is pitiful.
It's almost as if sowing corn does not, in fact, provide you with oranges and apples.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 07, 2021, 11:07:34 AM
Quote
President Donald Trump has withdrawn his nomination of Chad Wolf to head the Department of Homeland Security, the White House announced Thursday.
The move from the president comes less than three hours after Wolf, who is the acting DHS secretary, urged Trump to “strongly condemn the violence” that unfolded at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday.
Wolf called the events “tragic and sickening.”
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 07, 2021, 11:08:07 AM
If only he had the ability to have done something about it.
This big talk and resignations from people who have been kowtowing to him and feeding his ego over the past 4 years is pitiful.
It's almost as if sowing corn does not, in fact, provide you with oranges and apples.
Quoting for relevance:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210107/324c4ee9cd884a87e130d06ea2758511.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2021, 02:02:44 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 07, 2021, 02:06:01 PM
https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1347194783731650561?s=21
freaking killed his own party's chances. You love to see it.
Post by: Johnny English on January 07, 2021, 02:59:17 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 07, 2021, 04:18:55 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 07, 2021, 04:45:29 PM
There was a surprising amount of logic put into this.
https://twitter.com/thatgirlvondra/status/1346947133757218817?s=21 (https://twitter.com/thatgirlvondra/status/1346947133757218817?s=21)
Remember though everyone, it’s ok because they’re evil cultists.
Post by: IATA on January 07, 2021, 05:16:30 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 07, 2021, 05:16:39 PM
https://twitter.com/meghanmccain/status/1347271169716707328?s=21 (https://twitter.com/meghanmccain/status/1347271169716707328?s=21)
Post by: bojanglesman on January 08, 2021, 09:15:51 AM
Dominion sues Trump lawyer Sidney Powell for defamation, seeks $1.3 BILLION
Gaddamn!
Post by: Badger on January 08, 2021, 05:25:20 PM
https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1347684877634838528?s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 08, 2021, 09:39:59 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 08, 2021, 11:19:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2021, 03:49:36 PM
(via @RandallLane)
https://t.co/vUqhESblLF https://t.co/3LNMFgylCv
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2021, 04:24:14 PM
Quote
Trump considering Giuliani, Dershowitz for impeachment defense team. But, more interestingly Jay Sekulow, White House counsel Pat Cipollone and attorney Jane Raskin are not expected to be involved for a second impeachment trial. They were there the 1st time. @PamelaBrownCNN
Dear baby Jesus, please let it be Giuliani. I need this entertainment.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 09, 2021, 04:27:56 PM
Dear baby Jesus, please let it be Giuliani. I need this entertainment.
Is he trying to be found guilty?
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2021, 04:29:15 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 09, 2021, 05:04:25 PM
Is he trying to be found guilty?He might be the only lawyer left that would defend him in the US.
Post by: Badger on January 09, 2021, 06:01:03 PM
Post by: Badger on January 10, 2021, 06:19:05 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 10, 2021, 06:30:00 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 10, 2021, 07:39:33 PM
Post by: delavan on January 10, 2021, 11:22:10 PM
https://twitter.com/firenzemike/status/1348362049483636741?s=21
Dye her mane and change her name then get her arse back in the game. Would hate freak : )
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2021, 12:54:38 PM
This is a photo of me going out incognito:
#Soulbo(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210111/195759631ed5da38b7719d8529794a9c.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2021, 12:55:52 PM
As a white man who occasionally sports a neckbeard, wears red hats, is white and has a southern accent, president Trump has made it difficult for me to be in public without risk of being profiled and punched in the nads despite my deep dislike for him.
Pretty sure you can drop the red hat and not have this problem. Go buy a nice green one.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 12:59:56 PM
Pretty sure you can drop the red hat and not have this problem. Go buy a nice green one.
Now he's just going to get punched by colorblind people.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2021, 01:00:38 PM
Now he's just going to get punched by colorblind people.
He can just tell them he's black.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 01:02:21 PM
He can just tell them he's black.
That's not the colorblind I was going for but that...still doesn't work.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2021, 01:02:28 PM
Now he's just going to get punched by colorblind people.
He can just tell them he's black.Ha. I can't win in Trumpworld.
freak it I'm going full-on C. Thomas Howell
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 11, 2021, 01:06:21 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2021, 01:08:07 PM
Now I'm going to punch him. Worst part of Red Dawn.Soulbo does not approve of this message.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2021, 04:18:05 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210111/4855ebdda0c9f7bf865420cb99ef0022.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2021, 10:07:53 AM
Snowflake Shaman gets his wish: Judge grants horn-headed QAnon Capitol rioter his special organic diet on 'religious grounds' after three-day hunger strike
Lol.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2021, 10:45:19 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9138481/Snowflake-Shaman-gets-wish-Judge-grants-horn-headed-Capitol-rioter-special-organic-diet.html
Snowflake Shaman gets his wish: Judge grants horn-headed QAnon Capitol rioter his special organic diet on 'religious grounds' after three-day hunger strike
Lol.
Correction (because even when putting the boot in on the far right the Daily Fail makes excrement up): Wotan does not stand for "Will Of The Aryan Nation", at most that is a backronym. Wotan and Woden are different translations of Odin, the Norse God. It's where the word Wednesday comes from - literally Woden's Day (along with Sun Day, Moon Day, Tyr's Day, Thor's Day, Frega's Day and Saturn's Day).
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2021, 02:50:28 PM
Correction (because even when putting the boot in on the far right the Daily Fail makes excrement up): Wotan does not stand for "Will Of The Aryan Nation", at most that is a backronym. Wotan and Woden are different translations of Odin, the Norse God. It's where the word Wednesday comes from - literally Woden's Day (along with Sun Day, Moon Day, Tyr's Day, Thor's Day, Frega's Day and Saturn's Day).Shut up nerd
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2021, 03:13:58 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 12, 2021, 06:49:01 PM
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1349088319368548352?s=19
Holy excrement.
You have to wonder what's going to happen when the "ring leaders" start facing the harsh realities. Suddenly dudes' tongues will be getting really loose. It's going to be interesting to see who gets taken down.
What the hell happened that they are referring to that people will be shocked about? It's not like I wasn't already blown away. Rape? Staff members giving specific directions to opposing party hiding places?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2021, 07:26:28 PM
Holy excrement.Probably the sheer numbers of people and crimes because, unlike a lot of crimes, they have a excrement-ton of video evidence both from the capitol cameras and the morons recording it and posting it, as well as social media posts.
You have to wonder what's going to happen when the "ring leaders" start facing the harsh realities. Suddenly dudes' tongues will be getting really loose. It's going to be interesting to see who gets taken down.
What the hell happened that they are referring to that people will be shocked about? It's not like I wasn't already blown away. Rape? Staff members giving specific directions to opposing party hiding places?
A lot of people will be getting a knock on their doors from the FBI over the next year or so, or get fired from work, or both.
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 12, 2021, 08:09:41 PM
Probably the sheer numbers of people and crimes because, unlike a lot of crimes, they have a excrement-ton of video evidence both from the capitol cameras and the morons recording it and posting it, as well as social media posts.
A lot of people will be getting a knock on their doors from the FBI over the next year or so, or get fired from work, or both.
Not to mention the Capitol building's cell phone repeaters and the ones operated in the area by MPD which can ping and ID specific phones and prove that they were there at the time of the insurrection, and even plot which route each phone takes. Even if they were not logged into any specific apps or even if their phones had wifi, data, and bluetooth turned off, the FBI can still ID them.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
NY Times on Trump call to Pence last Wed:
“You can either go down in history as a patriot,” Mr. Trump told him, according to two people briefed on the conversation, “or you can go down in history as a hoo-ha.”
Post by: MBGreen on January 13, 2021, 08:30:02 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 13, 2021, 08:45:12 AM
How's the impeachment goin?
They’re about halfway through the rule debate before they vote on the rule of the impeachment then they’ll start the impeachment debate.
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2021, 10:38:31 AM
They’re about halfway through the rule debate before they vote on the rule of the impeachment then they’ll start the impeachment debate.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210113/aae5c59d8a8657413ad5f9424f718c56.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 13, 2021, 10:42:21 AM
Post by: delavan on January 13, 2021, 10:49:12 AM
How's the impeachment goin?
C'mon and see for yourself neighbor!
FYI: All Arby's in Wash. D.C. will not only be open during inauguration week but will be reintroducing their FIVE ROAST BEEF SANDWICHES FOR TEN BUCK$ offer.
Think about it: $20 bucks and you're as happy as a clam you cow!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/US_%2420_Series_2006_Obverse.jpg/320px-US_%2420_Series_2006_Obverse.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 13, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
C'mon and see for yourself neighbor!
FYI: All Arby's in Wash. D.C. will not only be open during inauguration week but will be reintroducing the FIVE ROAST BEEF SANDWICHES FOR TEN BUCK$ offer.
Think about it: $20 bucks and you're as happy as a clam you cow!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/US_%2420_Series_2006_Obverse.jpg/320px-US_%2420_Series_2006_Obverse.jpg)
There are no Arby’s locations within the city limits. Closest one is in Hyattsville, MD.
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2021, 11:17:55 AM
There are no Arby’s locations within the city limits. Closest one is in Hyattsville, MD.The nearest Arby's to me is next to a cemetery, for ones convenience.
Post by: MBGreen on January 13, 2021, 02:00:09 PM
C'mon and see for yourself neighbor!
FYI: All Arby's in Wash. D.C. will not only be open during inauguration week but will be reintroducing their FIVE ROAST BEEF SANDWICHES FOR TEN BUCK$ offer.
Think about it: $20 bucks and you're as happy as a clam you cow!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/US_%2420_Series_2006_Obverse.jpg/320px-US_%2420_Series_2006_Obverse.jpg)
I saw the 5 roast beefs for $10 Arbys commercial.
Man, the USA really is the land of opportunity.
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2021, 02:13:02 PM
I saw the 5 roast beefs for $10 Arbys commercial.
I thought delavan was joking.
Post by: MBGreen on January 13, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
I thought delavan was joking.
Arbys is srs bizness
Post by: delavan on January 13, 2021, 02:52:57 PM
I thought delavan was joking.
No sir, not where MB and Arby's are concerned. 5 sammiches 10 bucks.
Post by: IATA on January 13, 2021, 03:02:16 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 13, 2021, 03:13:38 PM
they got the meats
Post by: MBGreen on January 13, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
Jesus Christ who can eat 5 roast beef sandwiches, let alone 5 from Arby's.
The secret is to remove the roast beef from the other 4 sandwiches, and unite them all with the 5th....creating the Super Beef
#Voltron
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2021, 03:31:51 PM
Jesus Christ who can eat 5 roast beef sandwiches, let alone 5 from Arby's.
You say this like it’s some strange hypothetical
He’s here in this thread
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2021, 03:41:33 PM
Jesus Christ who can eat 5 roast beef sandwiches, let alone 5 from Arby's.
Clearly you have never been for dinner with Badger.
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2021, 03:42:41 PM
The nearest Arby's to me is next to a cemetery, for my convenience.
FMP
Post by: bojanglesman on January 13, 2021, 04:02:04 PM
Quote
President Trump on Wednesday awarded the National Medal of the Arts to country singer Toby Keith and bluegrass singer Ricky Skaggs, an administration official told NBC News.
It is a somewhat bizarre split screen given that the award ceremony was happening at the same time the impeachment proceedings were underway.
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2021, 04:08:44 PM
The song of my people
https://youtu.be/o1JOFhfoAD4
Post by: delavan on January 13, 2021, 04:48:15 PM
The song of my people
https://youtu.be/o1JOFhfoAD4
Could maybe use a 'balancing act'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51t1OsPSdBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfkjPQvL2gY
Post by: reuben on January 13, 2021, 06:33:08 PM
The song of my people
https://youtu.be/o1JOFhfoAD4
Is that Parker freaking Lewis?
Post by: insanity on January 13, 2021, 06:57:42 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2021, 06:59:32 PM
Is that Parker freaking Lewis?
According to Wiki, it's the theme song from a movie starring Keith and Nelson called Beer For My Horses, also featuring Ted Nugent and Tom Skerritt.
It currently holds a Rotten Tomatoes score of 0%.
Post by: Gorilla on January 13, 2021, 07:03:57 PM
It currently holds a Rotten Tomatoes score of 0%.
That’s probably because there were so many positive, amazing reviews that it broke RT’s algorithm.
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2021, 07:10:53 PM
According to Wiki, it's the theme song from a movie starring Keith and Nelson called Beer For My Horses, also featuring Ted Nugent and Tom Skerritt.IIRC the movie is based on the song
It currently holds a Rotten Tomatoes score of 0%.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 13, 2021, 07:51:49 PM
Would be funny if he fled to the UK.
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2021, 08:05:43 PM
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/13/donald-trump-flight-risk-if-criminal-charges-filed/
Would be funny if he fled to the UK.
Scotland have already said he's not welcome as they're only allowing essential visitors, and I'm pretty sure that "fleeing prosecution" won't count unless he's also claiming asylum there. Although the idea of him going full Assange and hiding out in the stationery cupboard of an Ecuadorean embassy for several years is entertaining.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2021, 09:06:32 PM
https://twitter.com/thatsjonnyfrank/status/1349069443918397440?s=21
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 13, 2021, 09:43:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanlizza/status/1347411200133521408?s=21
https://twitter.com/thatsjonnyfrank/status/1349069443918397440?s=21
He's wearing a Chicago Fire Department beanie. Is there any part of these assholes that isn't too on the nose?
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2021, 11:07:45 AM
Trump refusing to pay his bills? Say it ain't so.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 14, 2021, 11:54:31 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 14, 2021, 12:18:28 PM
Jared and Ivanka told the Secret Service not to use ANY of the half-dozen bathrooms in their home, so the federal government has been spending $3,000 a month — more than $100,000 to date — to rent a basement studio, with a bathroom, from a neighbor. https://t.co/lsftQhjhiK
I just...why?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 14, 2021, 12:21:29 PM
I just...why?Can't have non-Aryan waste in their home.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2021, 02:06:44 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanlizza/status/1347411200133521408?s=21
https://twitter.com/thatsjonnyfrank/status/1349069443918397440?s=21
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1349795949485297665?s=21
Post by: Heismanberg on January 18, 2021, 02:33:48 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 18, 2021, 02:54:17 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1351264364624445440?s=20Soon to be Dominion Pillow Co.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 19, 2021, 07:08:55 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210119/be4297445ba19de434ac3203a0b58ad9.jpg)
Post by: insanity on January 19, 2021, 07:22:28 AM
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2021, 07:45:29 AM
Trump to pardon lil Wayne because everything is a joke"Look at everything he did for the blacks!"
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 19, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2021, 02:09:20 PM
Post by: Badger on January 19, 2021, 03:11:15 PM
https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1351624729992507393?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on January 20, 2021, 11:50:41 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 20, 2021, 11:52:35 AM
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2021, 12:03:41 PM
It's been a wonderful 52 minutes know that he is no longer my Commander-in-Chief.
For you:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/donald-j-trump/
Post by: d sw0rdz on January 20, 2021, 12:08:05 PM
For you:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/donald-j-trump/
HAHAH THANK YOU
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2021, 12:18:07 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-sanctions/china-sanctions-pompeo-and-other-trump-administration-officials-idUSKBN29P2GV
Post by: MBGreen on January 20, 2021, 12:41:33 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 20, 2021, 12:44:00 PM
Now that Biden is the new King of the Castle...maybe we can fire this thread into the sun.
And miss out on all the post-Presidency legal fun? Not on your nelly, mister.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 20, 2021, 12:50:37 PM
Now that Biden is the new King of the Castle...maybe we can fire this thread into the sun.Do you think Trump is just going to go away with no more drama at this point? I know you're Canadian, but come on.
Post by: MBGreen on January 20, 2021, 12:59:22 PM
Do you think Trump is just going to go away with no more drama at this point? I know you're Canadian, but come on.
I was hoping someone would drop a piano on him.
Post by: Badger on January 20, 2021, 01:07:41 PM
Would have been cool if he pardoned all the whistleblowers
Welp
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2021, 07:08:15 PM
https://news.gallup.com/poll/328637/last-trump-job-approval-average-record-low.aspx
Post by: delavan on January 21, 2021, 08:26:48 PM
Jan. 6 fallout
Post by: mj2sexay on January 21, 2021, 08:37:08 PM
And so life without the protections of White House office begins for a number of people.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-sanctions/china-sanctions-pompeo-and-other-trump-administration-officials-idUSKBN29P2GV
Lol JFC. Oh thank you virtuous CCP for letting us know who the evil-doers are!
The silent majority
https://news.gallup.com/poll/328637/last-trump-job-approval-average-record-low.aspx
Rasmussen has it at 48 percent. Which one has been more accurate in their polling in recent history?
Post by: Badger on January 21, 2021, 10:02:52 PM
Lol JFC. Oh thank you virtuous CCP for letting us know who the evil-doers are!
This is exactly like Ender's Game.
Rasmussen has it at 48 percent. Which one has been more accurate in their polling in recent history?
The popular vote is probably more accurate than either.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 22, 2021, 07:36:49 AM
The popular vote is probably more accurate than either.
Yeah and if you account for the MASSIVE voter fraud, Trump wins by millions if not trillions
Post by: Johnny English on January 22, 2021, 01:46:48 PM
Post by: IATA on January 26, 2021, 06:50:55 AM
I'm sure this will be brushed aside.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2021, 07:09:04 AM
Kelly Anne Conway posted her 16 year old daughters topless pics to her fleet account, uncensored, to "prove a point" that her daughter was wild and uncontrollable.Good Lord....
I'm sure this will be brushed aside.
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2021, 09:13:24 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 26, 2021, 10:38:29 AM
Kelly Anne Conway posted her 16 year old daughters topless pics to her fleet account, uncensored, to "prove a point" that her daughter was wild and uncontrollable.
I'm sure this will be brushed aside.
Yea this whole situation is freaking horrendous.
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2021, 11:19:47 AM
MyPillow guy becomes the latest Trumpanzee suspended by Twitter.This is exactly like The Giver
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 26, 2021, 11:35:40 AM
Kelly Anne Conway posted her 16 year old daughters topless pics to her fleet account, uncensored, to "prove a point" that her daughter was wild and uncontrollable.
I'm sure this will be brushed aside.
Shouldn't that be a federal crime?
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2021, 11:50:14 AM
Shouldn't that be a federal crime?
It will certainly help the emancipation claim she said she was pursuing.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 26, 2021, 12:02:50 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 26, 2021, 12:11:29 PM
Post by: delavan on January 26, 2021, 01:30:07 PM
Post by: delavan on January 26, 2021, 05:05:43 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 26, 2021, 06:01:41 PM
The 55-45 constitutional vote aside, the ex-prez got a bit of a lucky break that the trial will be in the Senate instead of handing over the charges to the Dept. of Justice.
That’ll be a whole other issue and avenue which will come to a head later.
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2021, 04:23:34 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/27/proud-boys-leader-enrique-tarrio-fbi-informant
Post by: Johnny English on January 27, 2021, 04:30:55 PM
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/27/961215604/suspect-pleads-guilty-in-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-turns-government-witne
Post by: IATA on January 27, 2021, 04:53:43 PM
Et tu, Brute? For a bunch of patriots fighting for their liberty and their beliefs, they sure seem quick to turn on their fellow zealots. Almost like their unshakeable beliefs are.... what's the opposite of unshakeable?Imagine being one of those neanderthals who felt their unshakable patriotism would keep them free, only to hear one of your fellow slack-jawed yokels turned you all in.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/27/961215604/suspect-pleads-guilty-in-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-turns-government-witne
Hahhaahha
Post by: bojanglesman on January 27, 2021, 05:16:37 PM
Post by: reuben on January 27, 2021, 05:25:44 PM
Et tu, Brute? For a bunch of patriots fighting for their liberty and their beliefs, they sure seem quick to turn on their fellow zealots. Almost like their unshakeable beliefs are.... what's the opposite of unshakeable?
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/27/961215604/suspect-pleads-guilty-in-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-turns-government-witne
Antiunshakeable. Duh.
Post by: Johnny English on January 30, 2021, 03:21:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1355618315570393090
Post by: delavan on January 30, 2021, 05:10:50 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 30, 2021, 08:13:27 PM
It doesn't matter if Puck was his attorney, he isn't getting convicted, but still funny.
Post by: Badger on February 04, 2021, 01:35:03 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 06, 2021, 07:04:58 AM
Lou Dobbs cancelled by Fox. The 4 people that watched it will be sad once the old folks home informs them.
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1357838180171608065?s=19
Loulolol
Post by: reuben on February 06, 2021, 01:54:12 PM
As if he would have read them anyway. As if he would have read them if he was still president.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 06, 2021, 01:55:33 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/us/politics/biden-trump-intelligence-briefings.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/us/politics/biden-trump-intelligence-briefings.html)As if he could read.
As if he would have read them anyway. As if he would have read them if he was still president.
Post by: Johnny English on February 06, 2021, 03:25:58 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/former-trump-and-gop-aide-ruben-verastigui-charged-with-child-pornography-offenses
Post by: bojanglesman on February 09, 2021, 09:37:02 AM
Quote
The prosecutors in former President Donald Trump’s impeachment trial in the Senate plan to introduce new evidence against him, senior aides said.
Aides said there is evidence that Trump not only laid the groundwork for the Jan. 6 Capitol complex riot, but that he also “incited it further” once the violence began.
And aides said it is possible that Republican senators will decide to vote to convict Trump for inciting the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol complex, and bar him from holding the presidency ever again, once they hear that evidence.
“Once they see that this President did in fact incite a violent insurrection in order to hold onto power, I think it very well may be the case that reluctant senators change their mind and vote to convict,” aides told reporters, hours before the trial was set to kick off Tuesday afternoon.
I'll believe it when I see it. He's not getting convicted. Probably 3-4 Republicans at most vote to convict. He could be on tape confirming under oath that he incited the riot on purpose while pissing on the Constitution and almost all the Republican senators will find a way to vote no so they don't lose votes from the psychos in their home states.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 10, 2021, 10:13:53 AM
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2021, 11:00:49 AM
Post by: reuben on February 10, 2021, 11:23:10 AM
https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1359534446865641472?s=19
More important than the impeachment
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 10, 2021, 12:42:40 PM
Haley is being a twit. Not that I’m surprised he’s dismissing all of it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 10, 2021, 12:53:44 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 10, 2021, 12:56:53 PM
Impeachment managers are being very thorough, presenting just about every tweet he’s ever made.There is nothing that can be said that will change the outcome. Doesn't matter, the vast majority of Republicans aren't listening and have already made their mind up. Trump himself could show up and bang all of their wives and husbands in front of them on the Senate floor and they still would vote against convicting him. They are permanently attached to the Trump teat/dick. There is absolutely nothing that can get 17 Republicans to convict him.
Haley is being a twit. Not that I’m surprised he’s dismissing all of it.
Post by: delavan on February 10, 2021, 01:38:11 PM
Q: How or why would Patrick Leahy who already voted to convict trump in the first impeachment trial preside over this impeachment?
A: Because he must hate to lose?
Trump caught a break that this trial's in the Senate. And folks can bellyache all they want about not getting the 17-needed Rep votes but the fact remains: trump's probably never going to get convicted and IF THE DEMOCRATS WERE SMART they would've handed this over to the Justice Department and then he could've been tried in federal court before a federal judge and a federal jury. Not sure trump does so well in that setting.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 10, 2021, 01:51:39 PM
Riddle me this:
Q: How or why would Patrick Leahy who already voted to convict trump in the first impeachment trial preside over this impeachment?
A: Because he must hate to lose?
Trump caught a break that this trial's in the Senate. And folks can bellyache all they want about not getting the 17-needed Rep votes but the fact remains: trump's probably never going to get convicted and IF THE DEMOCRATS WERE SMART they would've handed this over to the Justice Department and then he could've been tried in federal court before a federal judge and a federal jury. Not sure trump does so well in that setting.
I don’t understand why you think they can do that. Any impeachment has to be handled by the Senate. If the DoJ is going to try him, they kind of have to investigate and prosecute him themselves.
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2021, 02:06:19 PM
I don’t understand why you think they can do that. Any impeachment has to be handled by the Senate. If the DoJ is going to try him, they kind of have to investigate and prosecute him themselves.What if they did it on Judge Judy?
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 10, 2021, 02:42:16 PM
What if they did it on Judge Judy?
The Senate won't turn the impeachment over to Night Court because Green Team Bad!
Post by: delavan on February 10, 2021, 05:36:13 PM
What if they did it on Judge Judy?
The Senate won't turn the impeachment over to Night Court because Green Team Bad!precious and few u 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q21xpPGtzzY
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 10, 2021, 05:46:51 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 10, 2021, 06:28:38 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eugene-goodman-mitt-romney-footage-impeachment-trial-day-2/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/eugene-goodman-mitt-romney-footage-impeachment-trial-day-2/)
Post by: Johnny English on February 10, 2021, 07:39:26 PM
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2021, 08:31:08 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 10, 2021, 09:14:14 PM
"Dilapidated and unused" seems like an odd way to describe 400 acres of mostly forest.
Maybe they mean people haven't been sweeping up the leaves to prevent JSLs causing forest fires.
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2021, 09:21:02 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 10, 2021, 10:49:12 PM
My understanding is there are two steps. A sitting president cannot be tried for a crime unless he is first impeached by Congress. Once the president is impeached by Congress under the constitution he is then tried and the court actually is the Senate. I still don't know how you try an ex-president. in the Senate. That's the part I don't understand.
precious and few u 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q21xpPGtzzY
It makes sense.
If an ex-President leads an act of sedition or attempts a coup before leaving office and still has a term of eligibility left, what is to stop him from making another attempt if he gets back into the White House in 4 years?
Not impeaching him is an implicit acceptance of the risk that any president can make an attempt to seize power before leaving office with no risk of punishment for a failed attempt.
I'm a "don't waste the dollar on the lotto" guy, but if I were given the opportunity to play it without expending any cash of my own, I'd play every week.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 11, 2021, 11:14:19 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 12, 2021, 12:13:39 PM
Post by: Badger on February 12, 2021, 12:17:19 PM
Haley turned on Trump. Guess she's running in 2024.In previous election years I always marveled how so many conservatives I knew claimed to really like Cain or Carson and yet those guys never won a single delegate. She'll probably serve that role in 2024.
"I really liked Haley but I'm voting for Racey McRacist"
Post by: delavan on February 12, 2021, 05:23:46 PM
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/lincoln-project-accused-of-protecting-predator-john-weaver.html
Post by: Badger on February 12, 2021, 06:24:17 PM
Chickenhawks coming home to roost..https://twitter.com/tysonbrody/status/1360373603242565638?s=19
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/lincoln-project-accused-of-protecting-predator-john-weaver.html
Post by: Badger on February 13, 2021, 08:29:52 AM
“Avoid even the appearance of evil.”
(1 Thessalonians 5:22)
This is precisely why I am not watching the horror show, sham impeachment hearings against my President. Everything the Democrats have done so far is designed by Satan to terrify God’s people about the future of America. Don’t listen to the false prophets of doom. Instead tell the storm in your soul Peace be Still. Listen to those Messengers who bring you hope and build your faith. Then nurture yourself with those things God has provided to keep you in peace.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 13, 2021, 08:58:07 AM
When I first got saved, at the age of 21, my spiritual eyes were opened to how demonic horror films are. God’s Spirit showed me early on that horror films were designed by Satan to terrify people and bind them with fear. I knew then that in order to maintain God’s peace in my spirit I needed to avoid watching such things.
“Avoid even the appearance of evil.”
(1 Thessalonians 5:22)
This is precisely why I am not watching the horror show, sham impeachment hearings against my President. Everything the Democrats have done so far is designed by Satan to terrify God’s people about the future of America. Don’t listen to the false prophets of doom. Instead tell the storm in your soul Peace be Still. Listen to those Messengers who bring you hope and build your faith. Then nurture yourself with those things God has provided to keep you in peace.
Was this from anyone particular?
Post by: Badger on February 13, 2021, 10:03:56 AM
Was this from anyone particular?I found a crazy guy on facebook and I'm skimming his hot takes.
Post by: Gorilla on February 13, 2021, 10:19:26 AM
I found a crazy guy on facebook and I'm skimming his hot takes.
I do this as well, when I run out of Raid to spray in my eyes for fun.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 13, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 13, 2021, 11:04:56 AM
In previous election years I always marveled how so many conservatives I knew claimed to really like Cain or Carson and yet those guys never won a single delegate. She'll probably serve that role in 2024.
"I really liked Haley but I'm voting for Racey McRacist"
Herman Cain was literally leading the polls in 2012 before the sexual harassment story came out.
Carson finished second in multiple States during the primary in 2016.
Post by: Badger on February 13, 2021, 11:33:42 AM
Herman Cain was literally leading the polls in 2012 before the sexual harassment story came out.
Apparently that wasn't an issue for voters in 2016 or 2020.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 13, 2021, 11:42:37 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on February 13, 2021, 12:11:32 PM
Apparently that wasn't an issue for voters in 2016 or 2020.
Apparently that wasn't an issue for voters in 1992 or 96 either.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 13, 2021, 02:57:12 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 13, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
America...you had one job.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 13, 2021, 03:27:58 PM
Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, Toomey
All losers who should be primaried, but I know better.
Richard Burr is an especially gigantic piece of excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on February 13, 2021, 04:03:11 PM
All losers who should be primaried, but I know better.
Richard Burr is an especially gigantic piece of excrement.
Why primary Romney? I'd have thought he'd win by a landslide, isn't he really popular with his constituents?
Toomey's not running again so you'll get your wish there. Will be interesting to see how far right the candidate runs if they're against Fetterman.
Post by: delavan on February 13, 2021, 05:13:13 PM
Herman Cain was literally leading the polls in 2012 before the sexual harassment story came out.
Carson finished second in multiple States during the primary in 2016.
You an Alan Keyes guy? ; )
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 13, 2021, 09:30:05 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 15, 2021, 10:22:26 AM
Looked like it posted on Tapatalk.
Here it is: https://twitter.com/lisamurkowski/status/1359320091322691584?s=21 (https://twitter.com/lisamurkowski/status/1359320091322691584?s=21)
Post by: delavan on February 15, 2021, 04:51:33 PM
film at eleven
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 16, 2021, 08:25:33 AM
Utah has a resolution accusing Romney of being a deep state agent, but state Republican leaders are not backing it.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2021, 08:35:53 AM
Burr, Cassidy, and Toomey censured by their state GOP.
Utah has a resolution accusing Romney of being a deep state agent, but state Republican leaders are not backing it.
Burr and Toomey aren't running again anyway, so I doubt they care. This is just the party sending a clear warning shot to anyone planning to run as their replacement that slavish adherence to the party line is the table stake, and that the expression of individual thoughts or personal principles, much less acting upon them, will not be tolerated.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 16, 2021, 08:43:04 AM
Burr and Toomey aren't running again anyway, so I doubt they care. This is just the party sending a clear warning shot to anyone planning to run as their replacement that slavish adherence to the party line is the table stake, and that the expression of individual thoughts or personal principles, much less acting upon them, will not be tolerated.
Seems about right.
https://twitter.com/jannwolfe/status/1361510807620706304?s=21 (https://twitter.com/jannwolfe/status/1361510807620706304?s=21)
Post by: mj2sexay on February 16, 2021, 11:11:54 AM
You an Alan Keyes guy? ; )
Lol, poor Alan. He gets beat up enough in every election he ever dips his toe in.
Burr and Toomey aren't running again anyway, so I doubt they care. This is just the party sending a clear warning shot to anyone planning to run as their replacement that slavish adherence to the party line is the table stake, and that the expression of individual thoughts or personal principles, much less acting upon them, will not be tolerated.
Quoted for when a democratic senator says they aren't ending the filibuster.
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2021, 11:19:16 AM
Quoted for when a democratic senator says they aren't ending the filibuster.
Haven't Manchin and Sinema made it clear that they have no intention of voting for that, while the rest of them would kinda like to but are scared of what will happen if they do and then lose control of the Senate?
Post by: delavan on February 16, 2021, 11:38:42 AM
This is just the party sending a clear warning shot to anyone planning to run as their replacement that slavish adherence to the party line is the table stake, and that the expression of individual thoughts or personal principles, much less acting upon them, will not be tolerated.^ +1
Quote from: mj2sexay
Quoted for when a democratic senator says they aren't ending the filibuster.
"And I'm not voting in the next election, if they don't do something about finding out the person who is on my party line." JFA : )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oY8oD2zjfg
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2021, 12:06:35 PM
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2021, 12:20:39 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-giuliani-capitol-riots-lawsuit-conspiracy-b1802964.htmllol @ this ad I got on that page, designed to anger the dumbest old people
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210216/0012a48bcb61a8514146ff4eecf81802.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2021, 01:36:39 PM
lol @ this ad I got on that page, designed to anger the dumbest old people
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210216/0012a48bcb61a8514146ff4eecf81802.jpg)
Reminds me of this:
http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/
Post by: Badger on February 16, 2021, 04:35:24 PM
Reminds me of this:ARE HOODIES MOLESTING THE COUNTRYSIDE?
http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/
Post by: Johnny English on February 16, 2021, 04:40:02 PM
ARE HOODIES MOLESTING THE COUNTRYSIDE?IS HEALTH AND SAFETY TURNING YOU GAY?
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 16, 2021, 04:46:47 PM
IS HEALTH AND SAFETY TURNING YOU GAY?
YAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSS
Post by: delavan on February 21, 2021, 04:11:23 PM
Post by: delavan on February 21, 2021, 06:05:21 PM
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/02/21/wollman-rink-lasker-rink-closing/
https://www.icehockeyinharlem.org
https://www.nhl.com/rangers/community/ihih
Post by: delavan on February 22, 2021, 02:39:51 AM
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/02/21/wollman-rink-lasker-rink-last-skates-trump-organization-central-park/amp/
Post by: Johnny English on February 22, 2021, 07:27:51 AM
Post by: Johnny English on February 22, 2021, 09:04:51 AM
Post by: delavan on February 23, 2021, 07:21:22 AM
#h&rblock
Post by: Badger on February 23, 2021, 08:08:23 AM
Even with three of his own appointees on the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court just ruled 9-0 that ex-prez Trump can’t hide his tax records.All part of the plan. #Q #WWG1WGA
#h&rblock
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 24, 2021, 01:12:45 PM
Good thing they're on the same page here.
Post by: Johnny English on February 26, 2021, 09:21:32 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 26, 2021, 09:56:03 PM
A golden Trump statue with Iron Man legs.
It’s really beyond parody at this point.
Post by: mj2sexay on February 27, 2021, 09:23:47 AM
Post by: Badger on February 27, 2021, 11:19:43 AM
It gets 'beyond parody' when the supposedly most in-tune pop culture show in the country decides to sing to his portrait.It's Always Sunny?
Post by: mj2sexay on February 27, 2021, 11:37:10 AM
It's Always Sunny?
OMG I wish I was speaking about It's Always Sunny in terms of that level of cultural impact, we'd all be a lot better for it (even if I found the later seasons to be a slip in quality).
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/saturday-night-live-cast-says-goodbye-obama-singing-sir-love-n710376
SNL singing to not even Dear Leader himself but a portrait of Obama a couple weeks after Kate McKinnon totally captured Leonard Cohens intent behind Hallelujah as she sang it in her Hillary Clinton garb to mourn the loss against Trump because that's not unbelievably creepy. And here I thought this was a sketch comedy show. At least when they dragged Bob Dole out to finish off the loser brigade that was Dole/Kemp 96, him consoling Norm McDonald was actually pretty funny.
Post by: IATA on February 27, 2021, 12:24:33 PM
OMG I wish I was speaking about It's Always Sunny in terms of that level of cultural impact, we'd all be a lot better for it (even if I found the later seasons to be a slip in quality).What does a late night comedy show from several years ago have to do with a convention for a political party that has placed former president Donald Trump in some sort of super hero monopoly man parody diety status?
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/tv/saturday-night-live-cast-says-goodbye-obama-singing-sir-love-n710376
SNL singing to not even Dear Leader himself but a portrait of Obama a couple weeks after Kate McKinnon totally captured Leonard Cohens intent behind Hallelujah as she sang it in her Hillary Clinton garb to mourn the loss against Trump because that's not unbelievably creepy. And here I thought this was a sketch comedy show. At least when they dragged Bob Dole out to finish off the loser brigade that was Dole/Kemp 96, him consoling Norm McDonald was actually pretty funny.
Post by: delavan on February 27, 2021, 01:19:33 PM
Lame wedding band butchery of a fine period piece theme and Cicely Strong's vox absolutely blow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qXBaqdKuyM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0
Post by: Badger on February 27, 2021, 01:24:19 PM
What does a late night comedy show from several years ago have to do with a convention for a political party that has placed former president Donald Trump in some sort of super hero monopoly man parody diety status?Because SNL also hits painful levels of cringe when it comes to liberal icons.
Post by: IATA on February 27, 2021, 03:27:01 PM
Because SNL also hits painful levels of cringe when it comes to liberal icons.That's fair ok I retract.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 28, 2021, 08:17:36 AM
Post by: IATA on February 28, 2021, 01:00:55 PM
The Golden Calf statue was made in Mexico.Of course it was.
Post by: delavan on February 28, 2021, 06:54:04 PM
The Golden Calf statue was made in Mexico.
Politician idol worship's bad enough as it is but for a scumbag of a person is kitsch on roids. How freaking lame.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2021, 01:09:52 PM
Lololol... What is he, 5 years old?
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 12, 2021, 01:28:17 PM
https://twitter.com/secupp/status/1369811259797999626?s=19
Lololol... What is he, 5 years old?
The worst part is that he got everyone to tweet it.
Post by: delavan on March 12, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/us/politics/biden-coronavirus-vaccine.html
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 22, 2021, 11:04:21 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 25, 2021, 08:41:59 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 29, 2021, 05:05:23 PM
lol please watch this
Post by: bojanglesman on April 02, 2021, 05:33:23 PM
I don't for one second believe Matt Gaetz is about to get arrested any day now, but I want to.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 02, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9430921/Matt-Gaetzs-arrest-imminent-sources-say-Joel-Greenberg-singing-feds.html
I don't for one second believe Matt Gaetz is about to get arrested any day now, but I want to.
Be a lot cooler if it was.
Post by: IATA on April 03, 2021, 09:55:36 PM
well, good luck doing much of anything MAGA. cancel culture is so sad.
Post by: Badger on April 03, 2021, 10:12:56 PM
JUST IN: Former President Trump calls for boycott of MLB, Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines, JPMorgan Chase, ViacomCBS, Citigroup, Cisco, UPS and Merick over their position on Georgia election law.You'll pry my MyPillow from my cold dead hands
well, good luck doing much of anything MAGA. cancel culture is so sad.
Post by: Johnny English on April 03, 2021, 11:29:34 PM
You'll pry my MyPillow from my cold dead handsI won't
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 13, 2021, 12:23:05 PM
Post by: Badger on April 13, 2021, 12:41:06 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 13, 2021, 01:11:07 PM
We're all signing up right?You're god damn right we are!
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 13, 2021, 02:12:11 PM
You're god damn right we are!Application denied.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 15, 2021, 10:50:29 AM
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/06/29/white-house-aware-in-2019-of-russian-bounties-on-american-troops-in-afghanistan-officials-say/#.XvubtbqHcXR.facebook
More libtard fake news propaganda
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1382714963198935040?s=21
Apparently, yes
Post by: Johnny English on April 15, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1382714963198935040?s=21
Apparently, yes
Yes, in well known pinko rag Military Times.
Post by: mj2sexay on April 15, 2021, 12:19:42 PM
Yet another in the cavalcade of absolute bullshit nonsense yellow journalism re: Trump vs the media.
Daniel Dale?! Facebook fact checkers?!?! WHERE ARE YOUUU?!
Post by: Johnny English on April 15, 2021, 12:45:15 PM
LOL. DeMocRaCy DiEs In DaRknEsS.
Yet another in the cavalcade of absolute bullshit nonsense yellow journalism re: Trump vs the media.
Daniel Dale?! Facebook fact checkers?!?! WHERE ARE YOUUU?!
I'm sorry, what bit of that article quoted by SFD was incorrect?
Post by: mj2sexay on April 15, 2021, 12:49:21 PM
I'm sorry, what bit of that article quoted by SFD was incorrect?
Nothing, I'm actually shocked TDB walked back the nonsensical "Trump ignored russian bounties" idiocy.
I should've further clarified my comment I guess that I was talking about the greater story they were walking back as opposed to anything said in the article.
But then, that's been the pattern. Reliance on anonymous sources for stories that break to great fanfare and mass distribution only for the inevitable walk back or even retraction weeks or months later with a fraction of the people who disseminated the original story remembering or caring.
Post by: delavan on April 15, 2021, 12:57:35 PM
Nothing, I'm actually shocked TDB walked back the nonsensical "Trump ignored russian bounties" idiocy.
I should've further clarified my comment I guess that I was talking about the greater story they were walking back as opposed to anything said in the article.
But then, that's been the pattern. Reliance on anonymous sources for stories that break to great fanfare and mass distribution only for the inevitable walk back or even retraction weeks or months later with a fraction of the people who disseminated the original story remembering or caring.
'Journalism' whether red or blue often ends up yellow.
Headline page 1; retraction in the real estate section, pg 34
Post by: mj2sexay on April 15, 2021, 01:01:52 PM
'Journalism' whether red or blue often ends up yellow.
Headline page 1; retraction in the real estate section, pg 34
I'm getting awful tired of you following up my slightly histrionic ranting with sensibility.
Post by: Badger on April 15, 2021, 01:50:02 PM
Headline page 1; retraction in the real estate section, pg 34
Exactly, the info damage is done, retraction not going to reverse it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 17, 2021, 06:37:55 AM
We're all signing up right?
https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1383278966857863180?s=21
Post by: Badger on April 17, 2021, 08:13:47 AM
https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1383278966857863180?s=21Launch delayed
Post by: bojanglesman on April 19, 2021, 02:34:19 PM
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1384195329193504768?s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 19, 2021, 02:57:57 PM
Post by: IATA on April 19, 2021, 03:20:07 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 19, 2021, 03:23:09 PM
god that gave me anxiety just watching, how much cocaine have they provided that man?(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TatteredSimplisticGrison-size_restricted.gif)
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2021, 03:41:27 PM
god that gave me anxiety just watching, how much cocaine have they provided that man?
ya see what they're doing ya see what they're doing, they're attacking us. they're attacking us.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 22, 2021, 06:43:24 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 22, 2021, 07:51:23 AM
Someone gave my wife a Mypillow as a gift at work. She gave it to me. Mike Lindell is a psycho, but damn, I really like this pillow. I need to see if there's a knockoff.
Well you can try David Hogg's pillow co--AND ITS GONE!
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2021, 06:24:46 PM
The Defendant:
BRENDAN HUNT (also known as “X-Ray Ultra”)
Age: 37
Ridgewood, Queens
E.D.N.Y. Docket No. 21-CR-086 (PKC)
There goes the neighborhood
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2021, 06:51:06 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 03, 2021, 09:35:00 PM
Post by: reuben on May 03, 2021, 10:14:28 PM
This is a [Zionist Occupied Government].”
Oh, I just realized what "ZOG Machine" means in that American History X song.
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2021, 02:41:29 PM
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2021, 02:48:07 PM
Quote
Photos Andrews had posted online were circulated. Although Jenkins — whose business had just reopened after the pandemic lockdown — lost some liberal clients, she said she gained conservative ones, as did Andrews, who works as a dominatrix.
Subscribe to my OnlyKlans
Post by: Johnny English on May 11, 2021, 05:43:05 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 11, 2021, 06:14:38 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-students-for-trump-founder-sentenced-20210511-ftba7yvdvzdi3oiblutg7pb7sa-story.html
I'm not subscribing to NYDN or turning off add blocker for NYDN to read this so sucks for me.
Post by: Johnny English on May 11, 2021, 06:46:11 PM
I'm not subscribing to NYDN or turning off add blocker for NYDN to read this so sucks for me.
Leader of "Students For Trump" turns out to be a complete fraudster who masqueraded as a lawyer and took money from people to dispense legal advice he wasn't qualified to give, or in some cases just took the money and didn't even give the advice. His defense was that he'd changed his mind on Trump and realised that he was an idiot and he didn't mean it and he was very sorry. Judge gave him 15 months anyway.
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 11, 2021, 07:27:49 PM
Leader of "Students For Trump" turns out to be a complete fraudster who masqueraded as a lawyer and took money from people to dispense legal advice he wasn't qualified to give, or in some cases just took the money and didn't even give the advice. His defense was that he'd changed his mind on Trump and realised that he was an idiot and he didn't mean it and he was very sorry. Judge gave him 15 months anyway.
Neat.
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2021, 12:10:46 PM
https://twitter.com/mattshuham/status/1394666856171122692?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on May 18, 2021, 12:22:38 PM
This little excerpt made my dayHahaha. Imagine knowing you have to sit there while your own lawyer calls you retarded because it's your only chance to get out of jail.
https://twitter.com/mattshuham/status/1394666856171122692?s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on May 18, 2021, 12:29:45 PM
https://www.kwklaw.net/albert-watkins
Post by: insanity on May 18, 2021, 01:14:20 PM
The lawyer's bio on his website. Lolololol.That can't be real
https://www.kwklaw.net/albert-watkins
Post by: Badger on May 18, 2021, 01:42:56 PM
The lawyer's bio on his website. Lolololol.toasted ravioli smackdown
https://www.kwklaw.net/albert-watkins
Post by: bojanglesman on May 18, 2021, 01:49:44 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 18, 2021, 10:11:50 PM
Nothing will happen, but still.
Post by: IATA on May 19, 2021, 07:22:26 AM
Quote
Albert Watkins, a lawyer for Jacob Anthony Chansley, often referred to as the “QAnon Shaman,” said his client and many of the other accused Capitol rioters were vulnerable to believing the false claims about election fraud from President Donald Trump. “These are people with brain damage,” Watkins told Talking Points Memo. “These aren’t bad people.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/18/capitol-rioter-daniel-warmus-dentist/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main
Post by: mj2sexay on May 19, 2021, 12:15:53 PM
paging mj, i think we finally have a diagnosis for whats wrong with you
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/18/capitol-rioter-daniel-warmus-dentist/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main
What's the diagnosis for stupid freak that continually regurgitates nonsense from excrement sources, inclusive of WaPo?
Oh wow, the guy that led the "rIoT" (LOL) was autistic. I'm sure the media will go through great pains trying to still tie this to Trump after RUNNING to sever any link between the guy who littered a softball field with gunfire and the rhetoric coming from the left.
Much consistency, no hypocrisy at all.
Post by: IATA on May 19, 2021, 12:34:04 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on May 19, 2021, 01:14:26 PM
Brain damage is clearly the problem with you. Severe brain damage.
Same old excrement.
My only problem is having to co-exist with absolute freaking drones that are totally oblivious as to their own behavior as they continue to try and demonize half the country.
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2021, 01:29:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1395075360010743814?s=19
Post by: mj2sexay on May 19, 2021, 01:39:30 PM
Do itttt
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1395075360010743814?s=19
How the freak is Pence 2nd and Ronny D's only third?!?!?!
Yikes. Who ACTUALLY wants to vote for Mike Pence.
Post by: Badger on May 19, 2021, 02:12:04 PM
How the freak is Pence 2nd and Ronny D's only third?!?!?!Name rec is a terrible thing (usually)
Yikes. Who ACTUALLY wants to vote for Mike Pence.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 19, 2021, 02:24:32 PM
Do itttt
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1395075360010743814?s=19
He’s powerless without his twitter account
Post by: mj2sexay on May 19, 2021, 02:40:24 PM
He’s powerless without his twitter account
Not impressed with his Creed Bratton style blog page?
(My affinity for Trump is well noted-but to say I was underwhelmed by said page is an understatement)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 20, 2021, 04:39:54 PM
lol whut
Post by: mj2sexay on May 20, 2021, 07:45:44 PM
https://twitter.com/latinousa/status/1395433024049844225?s=21
lol whut
What a freaking loser. I'm so sick of people using what happened on the 6th to wallow in their own victimhood.
Was it a bad day for the Union and inexcusable? Absolutely. Is it on the same level as freaking pearl harbor or 9.11? Absolutely not.
Post by: Johnny English on May 20, 2021, 08:19:56 PM
Was it a bad day for the Union and inexcusable? Absolutely.
When you acknowledge your boy's part in making it happen maybe we can start taking your view on it seriously.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 20, 2021, 08:27:19 PM
When you acknowledge your boy's part in making it happen maybe we can start taking your view on it seriously.
Only Donald Trump's rhetoric (in which he said NO VIOLENCE) directly leads to violence.
Surely there's no connection between the rhetoric from the left on the myth of cops indiscriminately killing people that led to a summer of rioting and destruction in our inner cities.
To discuss something more recent, there's just NO possibly way that AOC, Tlaib or Omar's rhetoric re: Israel vs. Palestine could be attributed to the rise in anti-semitic hate crimes we've seen over the last two weeks.
Post by: Johnny English on May 20, 2021, 08:30:41 PM
Only Donald Trump's rhetoric (in which he said NO VIOLENCE) directly leads to violence.
Surely there's no connection between the rhetoric from the left on the myth of cops indiscriminately killing people that led to a summer of rioting and destruction in our inner cities.
To discuss something more recent, there's just NO possibly way that AOC, Tlaib or Omar's rhetoric re: Israel vs. Palestine could be attributed to the rise in anti-semitic hate crimes we've seen over the last two weeks.
Enough with the whataboutism. Forget what AOC or Ilhan Omar or anyone else you hate might have said about something that isn't connected to the actual conversation.
You have stated that January 6th was "a bad day for the Union and inexcusable". Do you also acknowledge that Donald Trump caused it through his rhetoric? If not, can you please explain who and/or what did?
Post by: Badger on May 20, 2021, 09:54:49 PM
Surely there's no connection between the rhetoric from the left on the myth of cops indiscriminately killing people that led to a summer of rioting and destruction in our inner cities.
Indiscriminately? Seems like there's usually a good deal of discrimination involved in their killing.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 24, 2021, 11:00:53 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 26, 2021, 09:45:58 AM
This is worse than the Holocaust
-MyPillow guy, probably
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 26, 2021, 12:48:56 PM
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1397405397103923202?s=21
This is worse than the Holocaust
-MyPillow guy, probably
The Nazis kicked Jews out of places too!
-Lindell to the bouncer
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2021, 08:20:52 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2021, 10:53:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2021, 10:59:45 PM
still and demonstratively a tremendous upgrade over the sorry sack of excrement we currently have occupying the office.Your Biden Derangement Syndrome is playing up again. Maybe see if the doctor can prescribe some cream for it.
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2021, 11:04:21 PM
Your Biden Derangement Syndrome is playing up again. Maybe see if the doctor can prescribe some cream for it.
The statement I made is true, but the post was also made out of anger in perusing previous threads and seeing how freaking insanely feral some got over it (much more so than my quote above, so I'll need to post a little crazier before I'm accused of "Biden Derangement Syndrome").
Even though we're 6 months post-Presidency I just don't have it in me to even attempt to be cordial to those who called me "racist" "nazi" etc.
As I said though even throughout, a select few even in disagreement were cool as freak.
I gotta say though in terms of going back and finding notable quotes, someone working himself up into lobbing a racial slur was pretty insane.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 08, 2021, 11:00:00 AM
LMAOOOO
Post by: Johnny English on June 08, 2021, 11:30:59 AM
https://twitter.com/dailymirror/status/1402122967098826754?s=21
LMAOOOO
He's so close to an important moment of self awareness there.
Post by: Badger on June 08, 2021, 11:31:13 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210608/14c02b1cfcea31b9ad85913795aa7a03.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2021, 10:50:24 AM
I’m ok with life in prison
Post by: Badger on June 09, 2021, 11:42:56 AM
Edit: found the model, Gerber Remix, Fine Edge
Post by: mj2sexay on June 10, 2021, 09:08:50 AM
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/04/kayleigh-mcenany/white-house-says-officers-didnt-fire-tear-gas-rubb/ (lol)
The lie detector determined that was a lie!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/09/politics/park-police-lafayette-square-protesters-donald-trump-bible/index.html
Love how we're still using the term "peaceful protestors" when the evening prior St Johns was on fire.
Post by: Johnny English on June 30, 2021, 04:31:13 PM
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-organization-cfo-expected-to-be-charged-thursday-report-1.5491466
Post by: insanity on July 05, 2021, 08:36:14 PM
How is this sort of communication allowed?
Post by: Johnny English on July 07, 2021, 06:27:24 PM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Post by: Badger on July 07, 2021, 07:16:58 PM
https://nationalpost.com/news/trump-files-class-action-lawsuits-against-facebook-twitter-and-google-claiming-unlawful-censorshipI got 3 "campaign" texts about it today. Gotta grift that money from the elderly somehow.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Post by: dcm1602 on July 07, 2021, 07:43:54 PM
https://nationalpost.com/news/trump-files-class-action-lawsuits-against-facebook-twitter-and-google-claiming-unlawful-censorship
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Weren't you just saying someone's gotta go after these big tech companies just the other day?
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 07, 2021, 08:10:50 PM
Weren't you just saying someone's gotta go after these big tech companies just the other day?
It's possible for someone to be less sympathetic than tech billionaires, especially when the other party is also supposed to be a billionaire.
Post by: Johnny English on July 07, 2021, 08:27:52 PM
Weren't you just saying someone's gotta go after these big tech companies just the other day?
There's a world of difference between the FTC bringing an antitrust action and this. So we're really clear and you don't have any problems understanding what I'm talking about:
- breaking up FAANG such that their vast pools of IP are distributed, they can no longer avoid tax in literally every single operating territory, and their ability to flex vast corporate muscle to influence legislative behaviour is at least diminished: GOOD
- preventing them from removing liars, bigots and harmful actors from their platforms: BAD
- private citizens bringing doomed and pointless suits against them as a desperate exercise in trying to dredge up some publicity: LAUGHABLE
In fact if he had bothered doing his job and ordering the DoJ to bring an antitrust action that is clearly due he wouldn't have this problem in the first place, because it would be possible for other services to exist. So Trump crying that the platforms that he used to his advantage are suddenly no longer his friend is quite fun. Leopards and faces and all that.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 08, 2021, 07:44:33 AM
There's a world of difference between the FTC bringing an antitrust action and this. So we're really clear and you don't have any problems understanding what I'm talking about:
- breaking up FAANG such that their vast pools of IP are distributed, they can no longer avoid tax in literally every single operating territory, and their ability to flex vast corporate muscle to influence legislative behaviour is at least diminished: GOOD
- preventing them from removing liars, bigots and harmful actors from their platforms: BAD
- private citizens bringing doomed and pointless suits against them as a desperate exercise in trying to dredge up some publicity: LAUGHABLE
In fact if he had bothered doing his job and ordering the DoJ to bring an antitrust action that is clearly due he wouldn't have this problem in the first place, because it would be possible for other services to exist. So Trump crying that the platforms that he used to his advantage are suddenly no longer his friend is quite fun. Leopards and faces and all that.
When does the Squad get removed? Or BLM Utah?
Post by: Johnny English on July 08, 2021, 08:15:31 AM
When does the Squad get removed? Or BLM Utah?
Don't ask me, ask Facebook and Twitter. Being a liar, bigot or bad actor isn't a protected category, so the networks have the right to remove or keep anyone they want, a right that has been vigorously protected by right wing judiciaries. And I'm not a legal scholar but I'm pretty sure it isn't a 1A issue.
Here's the thing, and I'm going to keep coming back to this: I would be and am fully supportive of Trump going to a rival outlet or even starting his own, but it's not going to work because of the monopolistic power of FAANG (should probably be FATANG in this case). If only someone with the power to do something about it had done so when they had the power.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 08, 2021, 08:48:51 AM
Don't ask me, ask Facebook and Twitter. Being a liar, bigot or bad actor isn't a protected category, so the networks have the right to remove or keep anyone they want, a right that has been vigorously protected by right wing judiciaries. And I'm not a legal scholar but I'm pretty sure it isn't a 1A issue.
Here's the thing, and I'm going to keep coming back to this: I would be and am fully supportive of Trump going to a rival outlet or even starting his own, but it's not going to work because of the monopolistic power of FAANG (should probably be FATANG in this case). If only someone with the power to do something about it had done so when they had the power.
Here's the thing, and I'm going to keep coming back to this: I would be and am fully supportive of Trump going to a rival outlet or even starting his own, but it's not going to work because of the monopolistic power of FAANG (should probably be FATANG in this case). If only someone with the power to do something about it had done so when they had the power.
As much as I disagree that the answer to the political tribalism we see in society is that its reflected on social media so that people are now reveling in full fledged echo chambers, (liberals on facebook, conservatives on parlor!), I agree. There's a blatant, malignant monopoly operated by big tech in which any attempt to start up an alternative in the market is crushed. The political currency on both sides of the aisle to break them up has never been higher. I have a feeling it only hasn't been done yet because too many people in power are being swayed by "effective lobbying" and have too much amazon, facebook and twitter in their stock portfolio.
Slight point of contention in terms of what Trump individually could have done about it. For all of the talk around some of these parts like "Republicans fight dirty but they get things done which is why we need to match it and abolish the filibuster/pack the Court/some other nonsensical and blatantly authoritarian power grab" LOL no they don't. The congressional rank and file of the party is as ineffectual as Herman Edwards trying to manage the clock in the fourth quarter, I'm not sure what Trump could've done besides circumvent Congress via an EO and as we've learned from his administration as well as the last, those are built on pillars of sand.
The other thing is, considering we do have precedence via the Knights First Amendment Institute v. Trump case in which the Presidential account was considered a public forum, and we have Dorsey openly referring to twitter as a public square, how long before this actually does become a first amendment issue?
Rarely do I agree with the ACLU, which is why again, I think the political will is there; anyone left, right or center with half a brain recognizes the danger of an unchecked government entity controlling speech.
Post by: Johnny English on July 08, 2021, 08:58:40 AM
As much as I disagree that the answer to the political tribalism we see in society is that its reflected on social media so that people are now reveling in full fledged echo chambers, (liberals on facebook, conservatives on parlor!), I agree. There's a blatant, malignant monopoly operated by big tech in which any attempt to start up an alternative in the market is crushed. The political currency on both sides of the aisle to break them up has never been higher. I have a feeling it only hasn't been done yet because too many people in power are being swayed by "effective lobbying" and have too much amazon, facebook and twitter in their stock portfolio.
Slight point of contention in terms of what Trump individually could have done about it. For all of the talk around some of these parts like "Republicans fight dirty but they get things done which is why we need to match it and abolish the filibuster/pack the Court/some other nonsensical and blatantly authoritarian power grab" LOL no they don't. The congressional rank and file of the party is as ineffectual as Herman Edwards trying to manage the clock in the fourth quarter, I'm not sure what Trump could've done besides circumvent Congress via an EO and as we've learned from his administration as well as the last, those are built on pillars of sand.
The other thing is, considering we do have precedence via the Knights First Amendment Institute v. Trump case in which the Presidential account was considered a public forum, and we have Dorsey openly referring to twitter as a public square, how long before this actually does become a first amendment issue?
Rarely do I agree with the ACLU, which is why again, I think the political will is there; anyone left, right or center with half a brain recognizes the danger of an unchecked government entity controlling speech.
I'm pretty sure that the DoJ doesn't need Congressional approval to bring about an antitrust case, does it? And I can't believe that they haven't been working on at least the bones of one over the years, because if a schlub like me can see the clear reasoning for it I'm sure a bunch of highly paid government lawyers can as well. I suspect that it's a situation akin to the mythical electoral reform; everyone wants electoral reform when they're out of power, but as soon as the system works to put them there the last thing they want is to make the system more helpful to those on the outside.
Trump could have instructed Sessions or Barr to get moving on developing and bringing an action against them, but he was in love with social media and wasn't smart enough to understand that they are more powerful than him. They were quite happy with Trump using his position to elevate them, but as soon as he became inconvenient they swatted him like the irritation he had become and they didn't break stride. They didn't lose money or profile or power, in fact the opposite.
If their ability to treat the sitting President like that isn't about as clear a case for the need for significant action as you can get, I don't know what is. I'm very sure the answer isn't a 1A case by a private citizen though.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 08, 2021, 09:40:51 AM
My body is ready
Post by: bojanglesman on July 08, 2021, 10:13:21 AM
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1412044845246390272?s=21I feel bad for his family unless they are loonies too.
My body is ready
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 08, 2021, 10:36:49 AM
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1412044845246390272?s=21
My body is ready
I can't wait until the reports of him ODing show up.
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2021, 12:35:10 PM
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2021, 01:53:29 PM
https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1413198171522707461?s=19
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2021, 03:26:13 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 08, 2021, 03:31:35 PM
(https://i.redd.it/d4i0jnerj0a71.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/l0KRZsG.png)
Post by: mj2sexay on July 08, 2021, 03:47:35 PM
"Where are they now?" for Trump-era side character
https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1413198171522707461?s=19
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Basta.
Also, he's looking at 2.5 years for now, but he's still staring down the barrel of two federal charges for defrauding clients. Apparently (and I didn't know this until now) one of those clients was a mentally ill paraplegic.
What an absolute lowlife piece of excrement. A stain on American lawyers of italian descent if you ask me!
Post by: dcm1602 on July 08, 2021, 05:45:10 PM
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1412044845246390272?s=21
My body is ready
This guy is worth almost half a billion dollars.
freaking HOW!?
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2021, 11:00:04 PM
This guy is worth almost half a billion dollars.It's almost like wealth accumulation isn't indicative of merit, virtue, intelligence, or anything at all
freaking HOW!?
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2021, 08:13:30 AM
""I use an international factory," Cini said. "Unfortunately, I can't use an American factory because the cost of the manufacturing wouldn't justify the buyers because nobody is going to spend $30 for a three-by-five flag, and that's what I'd have to charge.""
Post by: mj2sexay on July 09, 2021, 08:30:15 AM
It's almost like wealth accumulation isn't indicative of merit, virtue, intelligence, or anything at all
Or conversely, in a capitalist society you can be a freaking idiot/psycho and still get rich!
Post by: mj2sexay on July 09, 2021, 09:53:01 AM
Without a doubt, the best, most sensible thread I've seen so far accurately capturing the absurdity of ThE bIg LiE (which is without getting into how that is literally bogarting nazi terminology) and how Trump supporters are entirely justified in questioning the end result of 2020.
Post by: MBGreen on July 09, 2021, 09:57:59 AM
https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1413165168956088321
Without a doubt, the best, most sensible thread I've seen so far accurately capturing the absurdity of ThE bIg LiE (which is without getting into how that is literally bogarting nazi terminology) and how Trump supporters are entirely justified in questioning the end result of 2020.
#propaganda
Post by: mj2sexay on July 09, 2021, 09:59:38 AM
#propaganda
Lmao.
You'll notice I didn't say they were correct, just justified. But I get that's still too much to garner anything but a canned response from certain low functioning types.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 09, 2021, 10:05:56 AM
Man, you need to never again rag on people for citing Huffington Post and Salon. (Which no one actually does lol)
Post by: mj2sexay on July 09, 2021, 10:44:23 AM
“While you’re here, check out my podcast”
Man, you need to never again rag on people for citing Huffington Post and Salon. (Which no one actually does lol)
(yes they do lol)
Further, the idea this is as ideologically compromised or venomous as either of those two "sources" is absolutely laughable as is the idea that somehow by virtue of promoting a podcast, everything said is invalidated, but I get you need to keep up with the enlightened centrist shtick.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 13, 2021, 03:04:43 PM
Lol
Post by: bojanglesman on July 13, 2021, 04:05:02 PM
Post by: Badger on July 14, 2021, 01:07:36 PM
Post by: Johnny English on July 15, 2021, 01:27:52 PM
Post by: delavan on July 15, 2021, 03:08:03 PM
Quote from: Johnny English
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house
What struck me was the vast number of times the nebulous phraseology "would suggest" and "appear to" was used. That said, what would be surprising would be if Russian intelligence weren't screwing around. Domestically, the media ran with the "Hillary +5-7% polling edge narrative and 'didn't (or refused to) look under the rug' in the heartlands much like smug Hillary blowing off would-be profitable whistle stops in WI, MI, etc.
"Nooobody expects the Moscow whores!...the golden showers!.....the Steele dossiers!!.....the 'Kremlin Papers'....let alone the Spanish Inquisition!!!! Author!!Author!!...Encore!!" : )
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Monty_Python_Live_02-07-14_12_46_43_%2814415411808%29.jpg/640px-Monty_Python_Live_02-07-14_12_46_43_%2814415411808%29.jpg)
Post by: Badger on July 15, 2021, 03:31:19 PM
What struck me was the vast number of times the nebulous phraseology "would suggest" and "appear to" was used. That said, what would be surprising would be if Russian intelligence weren't screwing around. Domestically, the media ran with the "Hillary +5-7% polling edge narrative and 'didn't (or refused to) look under the rug' in the heartlands much like smug Hillary blowing off would-be profitable whistle stops in WI, MI, etc.Independent experts would suggest it appears to be possible.
"Nooobody expects the Moscow whores!...the golden showers!.....the Steele dossiers!!.....the 'Kremlin Papers'....let alone the Spanish Inquisition!!!! Author!!Author!!...Encore!!" : )
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Monty_Python_Live_02-07-14_12_46_43_%2814415411808%29.jpg/640px-Monty_Python_Live_02-07-14_12_46_43_%2814415411808%29.jpg)
Post by: delavan on July 15, 2021, 04:14:47 PM
Independent experts would suggest it appears to be possible.
No doubt anything's possible esp. where our great and good friend Vlad Putin might be involved (the KGB boy'd kill you just as soon as look at you) and as I said, I'd be surprised if Russia didn't look to screw around as standard business procedure. At the same time I also admit to a little 'listener's fatigue' given how everything that came down the Trump-Russia turnpike was swallowed as gospel...thus the facetious 'Spanish Inquisition' lampooning (beats hyperbolic language). : )
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 17, 2021, 09:13:45 AM
Without a doubt, the best, most sensible thread I've seen so far accurately capturing the absurdity of ThE bIg LiE (which is without getting into how that is literally bogarting nazi terminology) and how Trump supporters are entirely justified in questioning the end result of 2020.
Post by: delavan on July 17, 2021, 02:51:53 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1416133034538004483?s=21
Without a doubt, the best, most sensible thread I've seen so far accurately capturing the absurdity of ThE bIg LiE (which is without getting into how that is literally bogarting nazi terminology) and how Trump supporters are entirely justified in questioning the end result of 2020.
It's over, he's over. Besides, if he's that much of a megalomanic that he'd run in '24 then he'll only end up fracturing the party he purports to champion given the "quiet" Reps who want to move on from him and go with someone else (the obvious example being DeSantis). Trump is 'Red Hillary' at this stage with his stale bread entitlement expiration date long since passed. Trump zealots are mistakenly holding onto the pipe dream of Joe withering and Kamala carrying the baton in '24...ain't happening. Besides even if Biden did crash the Dems would make sure to put up a Trump-proof candidate (ain't looking at you Beto, or Swalwell, or Amy) in addition to the media throwing a full-court press in his face starting with manafort, giuliani, cohen, et al. He's Elvis Patterson: he's 'toast'.
Post by: Badger on July 17, 2021, 03:20:31 PM
It's over, he's over. Besides, if he's that much of a megalomanic that he'd run in '24 then he'll only end up fracturing the party he purports to champion given the "quiet" Reps who want to move on from him and go with someone else (the obvious example being DeSantis). Trump is 'Red Hillary' at this stage with his stale bread entitlement expiration date long since passed. Trump zealots are mistakenly holding onto the pipe dream of Joe withering and Kamala carrying the baton in '24...ain't happening. Besides even if Biden did crash the Dems would make sure to put up a Trump-proof candidate (ain't looking at you Beto, or Swalwell, or Amy) in addition to the media throwing a full-court press in his face starting with manafort, giuliani, cohen, et al. He's Elvis Patterson: he's 'toast'.He should definitely run in 2024 though.
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2021, 03:05:43 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 21, 2021, 03:25:29 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1416133034538004483?s=21
Without a doubt, the best, most sensible thread I've seen so far accurately capturing the absurdity of ThE bIg LiE (which is without getting into how that is literally bogarting nazi terminology) and how Trump supporters are entirely justified in questioning the end result of 2020.
Lol, Kyle Griffin utilizing an AP article that may as well read as a press release for Democrats. No surprise there of course.
Amazing that these figures have been "reported" with the audit not being complete and with reports of 74,000 plus mail-ins being returned with no clear record of them being sent, but this is the same "journalistic entity" that for months has been trying to disparage any attempt to recount Arizona while conspicuously remaining silent about the Biden DOJ doing everything they can to stop it. But remember, its Republicans looking to subvert democracy by ensuring secure elections.
This of course, despite still wanting to relitigate 2000 and Bush v. Gore. But no bias there.
Anyway, show me on the doll where I hurt you because you've had a passive-aggressive raging hard on this way for months now. I suggest you get the freak over it.
It's over, he's over. Besides, if he's that much of a megalomanic that he'd run in '24 then he'll only end up fracturing the party he purports to champion given the "quiet" Reps who want to move on from him and go with someone else (the obvious example being DeSantis). Trump is 'Red Hillary' at this stage with his stale bread entitlement expiration date long since passed. Trump zealots are mistakenly holding onto the pipe dream of Joe withering and Kamala carrying the baton in '24...ain't happening. Besides even if Biden did crash the Dems would make sure to put up a Trump-proof candidate (ain't looking at you Beto, or Swalwell, or Amy) in addition to the media throwing a full-court press in his face starting with manafort, giuliani, cohen, et al. He's Elvis Patterson: he's 'toast'.
I actually agree that under no circumstances should he run again in 2024, the baggage is just too much.
HOWEVER, that's not going to prevent the media from then focusing their ire (as they've already tried to do and failed miserably, see 60 minutes or the absurd and rather disgusting attempts to pin Surfside) on Ronny D because that's what the media does. How people don't see it at this point is beyond me.
Now, whether they can engage in the amount of misinformation that they did from 2016-2020 without people wising up in order to engender the "well I don't like who I'm voting for but ANYONE but Trump" attitude that so many carried to the polls is beyond me.
https://theintercept.com/2021/07/21/election-fraud-trump-preposterous/
More bullshit demonization of fellow American citizens for the high crime of supporting Donald Trump. Disgusting. Besides, the Intercept lost all credibility when they forced out Greenwald.
Post by: Badger on July 21, 2021, 04:12:48 PM
More bullshit demonization of fellow American citizens for the high crime of supporting Donald Trump. Disgusting. Besides, the Intercept lost all credibility when they forced out Greenwald.
If supporting him means loudly divorcing oneself from reality...
Post by: Johnny English on July 21, 2021, 05:05:36 PM
https://theintercept.com/2021/07/21/election-fraud-trump-preposterous/That is amazing and terrifying.
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2021, 02:55:14 PM
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1287397582134812679?s=19
Post by: reuben on July 26, 2021, 02:59:52 PM
Happy anniversary
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1287397582134812679?s=19
He never recovered
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 27, 2021, 10:32:16 AM
Less coherent than Biden at this point, sad
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 30, 2021, 03:07:12 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on July 30, 2021, 03:07:54 PM
Justice Department ordered Treasury to turn over Trump's tax returns to Congress.
LOL what a freaking disgusting abuse of their position.
Post by: Badger on August 05, 2021, 12:18:44 PM
Post by: Badger on August 11, 2021, 03:22:26 PM
Remember when they were advertising the tax cut like this
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210811/e2b705cffcd52c3cc694e0cef61b1040.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 14, 2021, 08:16:44 AM
Anytime someone says “Trump Won”
Post by: delavan on August 14, 2021, 10:18:19 AM
https://twitter.com/JerriJamz/status/1426052914255106049?s=20(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/White_Trash_Fast_Food_%2819975155443%29.jpg/320px-White_Trash_Fast_Food_%2819975155443%29.jpg)
Anytime someone says “Trump Won”
Post by: bojanglesman on August 14, 2021, 11:20:21 AM
Post by: reuben on August 14, 2021, 11:38:17 AM
Her third chin is very prominent when she's emphasizing a point. That chin wants to leave her body. It has OAN and Cheetos trapped in it's folds. It wants sweet freedom from the stupid. If only someday it could join her arm flaps and obese wizard sleeve to fly away to a paradise free of Fox News. But alas, further girth is it's undeniable future.
800,000 children. Missing. Somewhere under that chin.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 23, 2021, 05:52:18 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 23, 2021, 07:32:30 PM
Enrique Tarrio sentenced to 5 months in jail in DC. He's probably going to have a bad time.I wonder if he prefers jelly or syrup with his tossed salad.
Post by: Johnny English on August 23, 2021, 08:40:29 PM
Enrique Tarrio sentenced to 5 months in jail in DC. He's probably going to have a bad time.
For burning a BLM banner. Can't imagine there will be anyone in prison who is a supporter of BLM, he'll be fine.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 23, 2021, 08:43:40 PM
For burning a BLM banner. Can't imagine there will be anyone in prison who is a supporter of BLM, he'll be fine.
And bringing high capacity magazines into the city.
He's probably going to be in the same jail as Richard Barnett, who also did not have a great time.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 23, 2021, 10:09:50 PM
For burning a BLM banner. Can't imagine there will be anyone in prison who is a supporter of BLM, he'll be fine.
Going off this countries history of desecrating the flag, I have to imagine this isn't why he's going to prison.
Him actually stealing it and the high capicity magazines is a whole different story.
And to be fair don't prisons have like Arian brotherhood excrement too? At least that's what the movies say. Though not sure how welcoming they'd be of someone named Enrique Tarrio
Post by: reuben on August 23, 2021, 11:00:51 PM
And to be fair don't prisons have like Arian brotherhood excrement too? At least that's what the movies say. Though not sure how welcoming they'd be of someone named Enrique Tarrio
Yeah, Bruce Arians Brotherhood. They all wear those gay little caps. Not to be trifled with.
Post by: Johnny English on August 24, 2021, 04:55:57 PM
https://boingboing.net/2021/08/24/capitol-riot-suspect-doug-jensen-violates-release-terms-begs-not-to-be-sent-back-to-jail.html
Post by: dcm1602 on August 24, 2021, 05:26:42 PM
Fetch me a kleenex.
https://boingboing.net/2021/08/24/capitol-riot-suspect-doug-jensen-violates-release-terms-begs-not-to-be-sent-back-to-jail.html
I don't understand this
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But after Jensen was caught on a Qanon sight, acting U.S. Attorney Channing Phillips said it was time to send Jensen back to jail. "Jensen's alleged disavowal of QAnon was just an act," said Phillips.
Are they a criminal organization or something?
Post by: delavan on August 24, 2021, 06:27:46 PM
I don't understand this
Are they a criminal organization or something?
"I told you to stay away from those boys!"
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/The_Scolding.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 24, 2021, 07:50:52 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 24, 2021, 08:33:54 PM
I don't understand this
Are they a criminal organization or something?
Did you read the story?
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Doug Jensen (41) ...... is begging the judge not to send him back to jail after he was caught violating the terms of his release by accessing the Internet.
It didn't say anything about only being prevented from accessing specific things. The fact that he went straight back to delusional conspiracy bullshit just compounds the offense.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 24, 2021, 10:45:03 PM
Yeah, Bruce Arians Brotherhood. They all wear those gay little caps. Not to be trifled with.
lol
Post by: dcm1602 on August 25, 2021, 06:15:49 AM
Did you read the story?
It didn't say anything about only being prevented from accessing specific things. The fact that he went straight back to delusional conspiracy bullshit just compounds the offense.
He violated the terms of his deal and is going to prison. Don't give a excrement about.
My question was about something specific that an acting US attiurney said
Post by: Johnny English on August 26, 2021, 11:16:05 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-26/what-s-driving-america-s-economic-output-vaccinated-blue-counties-biden-won
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2021, 11:18:48 AM
Trump voters: not just stupid, but also economically useless.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-26/what-s-driving-america-s-economic-output-vaccinated-blue-counties-biden-won
Paywall doe
Post by: Johnny English on August 26, 2021, 11:22:15 AM
Paywall
If you weren't a Trump supporter you'd be able to afford to pay for it.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2021, 11:24:27 AM
If you weren't a Trump supporter you'd be able to afford to pay for it.I know
Too busy paying for all of Biden supporters rent
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2021, 11:52:25 AM
I know
Too busy paying for all of Biden supporters rent
That's messed up, you were supposed to be paying electric, water, and internet.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2021, 11:59:42 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/24/gop-states-fight-uneven-recovery-495762
Post by: dcm1602 on August 26, 2021, 12:54:42 PM
Far be it from me to break up the tribalistic and partisan circle jerk, but from those bastions of conservatism over at Politico;
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/24/gop-states-fight-uneven-recovery-495762
I try to be fair
And that article is from June
There's been a pretty hefty resurgence in covid since then, so I don't know accurate that data is in today's climate.
Also to JEs point, 70% of economic output pre-covid was in states that went to. So that's a pretty hefty advantage for anyone to say that they're driving economic recovery.
It would have to be a monumental collapse for that number to swing the other way. I think the more important number would be how that data today has changed relative to what it looked like almost 2 years ago
Post by: delavan on August 26, 2021, 03:44:03 PM
Far be it from me to break up the tribalistic and partisan circle jerk, but from
those bastions of conservatism over at Politico;
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/24/gop-states-fight-uneven-recovery-495762
Wouldn't it be "that bastion of conservatism" since 'Politico' is presented here as a singular entity?? ...honest question (well, sort of) ; )
Post by: bojanglesman on August 26, 2021, 03:49:17 PM
Wouldn't it be "that bastion of conservatism" since 'Politico' is presented here as a singular entity?? ...honest question (well, sort of) ; )
Politicoses
Post by: delavan on August 26, 2021, 04:17:10 PM
Politicoses
Not Politici?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 26, 2021, 04:41:35 PM
Not Politici?Poiticoi
Post by: delavan on August 27, 2021, 12:32:54 PM
PoiticoiIn the 'octopi' sense - that's what I was looking for. You ftw ; )
Post by: bojanglesman on August 27, 2021, 12:42:01 PM
In the 'octopi' sense - that's what I was looking for. You ftw ; )(https://monophy.com/media/KQkBRg2WBx11S/monophy.gif)
Post by: delavan on August 29, 2021, 12:15:39 PM
trump: same as it ever was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSuregWhlWk
Post by: Badger on August 30, 2021, 01:37:23 PM
Far be it from me to break up the tribalistic and partisan circle jerk, but from those bastions of conservatism over at Politico;Breaking: States that lead in human sacrifice also making the most money for the wealthy
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/24/gop-states-fight-uneven-recovery-495762
Post by: dcm1602 on August 30, 2021, 01:47:33 PM
Breaking: States that lead in human sacrifice also making the most money for the wealthy
A safe guess that New York California and Massachusetts are probably very high on the list of making the most money for the wealthy.
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2021, 10:22:36 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 01, 2021, 10:32:34 AM
Either Trump is running again or he desperately wants to bilk every last dollar from the old people who fall for his fundraising texts and emails. Or both.
My guess would be mostly the latter. I think he'll probably whore out his endorsement to whatever's left of his base during the primaries to ensure he has some degree of power without having to be the front man, along with all the legal issues that would entail.
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2021, 10:38:15 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2021, 11:05:26 AM
Either Trump is running again or he desperately wants to bilk every last dollar from the old people who fall for his fundraising texts and emails. Or both.
As we've all seen how much of an egomaniac he is. My guess is if he thinks he can win, he will run. And I think the determinant of that will be on what happens with Biden.
Between Bidens age, health, approval ratings, whether he runs for re-election. I think if it's a perfect storm Trump will absolutely jump on the opportunity.
I have zero faith in this actually happening, but it would be nice to see the Republicans to realize what a lunatic Trump was and put forth one of their most moderate candidates ever (as a counter to Bidens rouse that he's a moderate) and get rid of all this extremism we see in politics.
Of course the last time Republicans did that was McCain, and he was just as exciting (but much less senile) than Joe Biden
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2021, 12:00:10 PM
As we've all seen how much of an egomaniac he is. My guess is if he thinks he can win, he will run. And I think the determinant of that will be on what happens with Biden.Biden is a moderate.
Between Bidens age, health, approval ratings, whether he runs for re-election. I think if it's a perfect storm Trump will absolutely jump on the opportunity.
I have zero faith in this actually happening, but it would be nice to see the Republicans to realize what a lunatic Trump was and put forth one of their most moderate candidates ever (as a counter to Bidens rouse that he's a moderate) and get rid of all this extremism we see in politics.
Of course the last time Republicans did that was McCain, and he was just as exciting (but much less senile) than Joe Biden
Post by: bojanglesman on September 01, 2021, 12:09:22 PM
Biden is a moderate.Yep.
Post by: mj2sexay on September 01, 2021, 04:50:17 PM
He has not approached his Presidency from a moderate bend in the least.
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2021, 05:01:11 PM
Lol, no he isn't.Who's a moderate?
He has not approached his Presidency from a moderate bend in the least.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2021, 05:13:21 PM
Who's a moderate?
Everything is relative and I certainly don't know all of this dudes stances, but I'd say this guy is probably seen as the face of sensible moderates right now
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Manchin
Nobody on here would describe me as a liberal or Democrat. But I'd vote for the dude
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2021, 06:55:04 PM
Everything is relative and I certainly don't know all of this dudes stances, but I'd say this guy is probably seen as the face of sensible moderates right nowYou don't know his stances but you've already decided he's sensible, lol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Manchin
Nobody on here would describe me as a liberal or Democrat. But I'd vote for the dude
Post by: dcm1602 on September 01, 2021, 06:59:54 PM
You don't know his stances but you've already decided he's sensible, lol
I chose my words carefully and that's not what I said.
Post by: delavan on September 01, 2021, 08:15:56 PM
Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last.
Not the game. We talking about practice, man."
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Allen_Iverson%2C_Denver_Nuggets.jpg/240px-Allen_Iverson%2C_Denver_Nuggets.jpg)
"We still talking about Trump.....not the current game.
Not the game that I go out there and for and play every game like it's my last.
Not the game. We still talking about Trump, man."
Post by: Badger on September 02, 2021, 10:18:35 AM
Pres Trump already has. Will you step up? Personal link: bit.ly/2WFMZ68
Stop2End
Post by: delavan on September 02, 2021, 10:29:44 AM
Biden & Kamala are TERRIFIED that you'll click this link to Save America.lol - where do you even find this excrement?
Pres Trump already has. Will you step up? Personal link: bit.ly/2WFMZ68
Stop2End
That reads along the lines of some tv ministry snake oil sales pitch: https://www.ispot.tv/ad/IUXl/peter-popoff-ministries-miracle-spring-water
Post by: Johnny English on September 02, 2021, 10:39:32 AM
lol - where do you even find this excrement?
That reads along the lines of some tv ministry snake oil sales pitch: https://www.ispot.tv/ad/IUXl/peter-popoff-ministries-miracle-spring-water
He's subscribed to the mailing lists of people like Trump, for reasons I haven't yet figured out.
Post by: Badger on September 02, 2021, 11:21:15 AM
He's subscribed to the mailing lists of people like Trump, for reasons I haven't yet figured out.I allow the campaign texts to continue to keep tabs on him.
Post by: delavan on September 02, 2021, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Johnny English
He's subscribed to the mailing lists of people like Trump, for reasons I haven't yet figured out.
I think I get it: keep your friends close & your enemies closer - political rubbernecking of sorts. And while not of the NASCAR demographic, Badgr'd go if only to watch the wrecks.. : )
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2021, 06:21:12 PM
He's REACTIVATED your 4X-IMPACT for 5 MINUTES!
Donate here >> bit.ly/3Bvqlfs
Stop2End
Post by: bojanglesman on September 05, 2021, 09:11:59 AM
You can't write this stuff any better.
Post by: Badger on September 05, 2021, 10:21:05 AM
Stop2End
Post by: delavan on September 05, 2021, 02:33:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ReportsDaNews/status/1434327117085519872?s=19
You can't write this stuff any better.
Is it me or is that white supremacist anything but white? Asking for a brother. : )
Post by: Johnny English on September 05, 2021, 06:01:16 PM
Is it me or is that white supremacist anything but white? Asking for a brother. : )
I don't think that the Proud Boys are white supremacists any more than ISIS are Arabic supremacists.
Post by: Badger on September 07, 2021, 04:22:58 PM
Pres Trump already has. Will you step up? Personal link: bit.ly/3kKFjaM
Stop2End
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 07, 2021, 05:39:11 PM
Post by: Badger on September 07, 2021, 05:50:58 PM
How many times are you going to post this one?The bitly was slightly different this time
Post by: delavan on September 07, 2021, 10:31:54 PM
I don't think that the Proud Boys are white supremacists any more than ISIS are Arabic supremacists.
https://twitter.com/JohnBlakeCNN/status/1434094437827743745
Post by: Badger on September 07, 2021, 11:13:40 PM
Post by: reuben on September 08, 2021, 12:47:06 AM
BREAKING: Donald Trump will host boxing match in Florida on September 11 https://t.co/neW3nnXwXs
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Holyfield stepped in for Oscar De La Hoya who was originally supposed to fight against Belfort in Los Angeles before contracting COVID
Either De La Hoya is much bigger than I remember, or Holyfield is much smaller.
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2021, 11:38:26 AM
She said the line!
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“I think he is a loser, and he is going to throw anything against the wall he can. It’s desperation. The walls are closing in and he is throwing anything against the wall that he thinks will stick," she said. "As is always the case with Donald, he’ll try and change the subject.”
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2021, 11:45:45 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1279801
She said the line!
https://www.theregister.com/2017/05/19/open_source_insider_google_amp_bad_bad_bad/
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2021, 11:52:06 AM
https://www.theregister.com/2017/05/19/open_source_insider_google_amp_bad_bad_bad/Fixed
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 24, 2021, 11:23:19 AM
https://twitter.com/azcentral/status/1441239067190984712?s=21 (https://twitter.com/azcentral/status/1441239067190984712?s=21)
Post by: Badger on September 26, 2021, 02:26:05 PM
Stop2End
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2021, 09:57:18 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2021, 10:24:43 AM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephanie-grisham-says-trump-called-her-to-insist-his-penis-wasnt-toadstool-shaped
I wanted absolutely none of this info.
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2021, 10:49:34 AM
I wanted absolutely none of this info.Marj's vag looks like a piranha plant
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2021, 11:03:38 AM
Marj's vag looks like a piranha plant
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m00k7qLsIi1qcvq7go1_500.gif)
Post by: delavan on September 28, 2021, 03:12:18 PM
Marj's vag looks like a piranha plant
Reminds me of the old wives's tale they used to scare young would-be horndogs with by saying vags had teeth.
I believed it until I ran it by the local ho who set me straight by showing me hers: "now, you see any teeth?"
"Nope but no wonder.....your gums are shot."
bad joke :-(
Post by: dcm1602 on September 28, 2021, 03:16:21 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephanie-grisham-says-trump-called-her-to-insist-his-penis-wasnt-toadstool-shaped
The penis stuff isn't even as bad as him electing to have his colonoscopy without anesthesia because he didn't want to give Pence control of the oval office even for a few minutes
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2021, 03:33:56 PM
The penis stuff isn't even as bad as him electing to have his colonoscopy without anesthesia because he didn't want to give Pence control of the oval office even for a few minutesWhat an poopchute. Yuge poopchute. Some say the best.
Post by: Badger on September 28, 2021, 06:07:31 PM
The penis stuff isn't even as bad as him electing to have his colonoscopy without anesthesia because he didn't want to give Pence control of the oval office even for a few minutesA wise decision as Pence would have accused Trump of sodomy and usurped him.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 28, 2021, 07:18:05 PM
A wise decision as Pence would have accused Trump of sodomy and usurped him.Naah, Pence would have just blessed Trump's poopchute with the Holy Spirit and placed his healing fingers on the o-ring of glory.
Post by: delavan on September 29, 2021, 06:31:06 PM
Naah, Pence would have just blessed Trump's poopchute with the Holy Spirit and placed his healing fingers on the o-ring of glory......at which point a great tumult arose in JO-land amidst the excited, fapping multitudes impaled on their blue saliva-slathered jellycocks
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Puma_Swede%2C_Jasmine_Tame_at_Erotica_LA_2006.jpg)
edit: saliva-slathered
Post by: Johnny English on September 30, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on September 30, 2021, 12:35:58 PM
https://theintercept.com/2021/09/28/covid-telehealth-hydroxychloroquine-ivermectin-hacked/?comments=1#comments
A native NYer born and raised
Post by: Badger on October 01, 2021, 01:37:18 PM
Pres Trump requested $18 from you. Need transaction in next 10MINS
Complete here: bit.ly/2Wp3xiJ
Stop2End
Post by: reuben on October 01, 2021, 01:51:35 PM
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2021, 02:02:47 PM
For your own sanity's sake Badger, Stop2End.
You might be too late for that.
Post by: Badger on October 01, 2021, 02:04:06 PM
You might be too late for that.I'm going to read all of them to you this weekend.
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2021, 02:06:38 PM
I'm going to read all of them to you this weekend.
I'm going to be too drunk to care, you Trump loving fuckstick.
Post by: Badger on October 01, 2021, 02:08:30 PM
I'm going to be too drunk to care, you Trump loving fuckstick.With mj AWOL someone needs to step up.
Post by: MBGreen on October 01, 2021, 02:11:28 PM
With mj AWOL someone needs to step up.
BAW GAWD...THAT'S TOMMY'S MUSIC!!
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2021, 02:18:21 PM
BAW GAWD...THAT'S TOMMY'S MUSIC!!(https://c.tenor.com/WR-d3u3A97oAAAAd/sandman-entrance.gif)
Post by: mj2sexay on October 01, 2021, 02:22:18 PM
With mj AWOL someone needs to step up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMoOnaTpmXU
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2021, 02:27:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMoOnaTpmXUHE LIVES!
Why aren't you coming Sunday you freak?
Post by: bojanglesman on October 01, 2021, 02:34:57 PM
HE LIVES!
Why aren't you coming Sunday you freak?
He's manning the Trump Fundraising Text Station.
Post by: delavan on October 01, 2021, 03:48:30 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on October 04, 2021, 03:28:09 PM
HE LIVES!
Why aren't you coming Sunday you freak?
Unfortunately I've been dealing with an illness with a very close friend (34 years young, just found out he has melanoma and it reached his lymph nodes), while walking a fine line between stopping and enjoying life due to that perspective check while also simultaneously being deluged with all kinds of matters at work.
Hope you guys had a great time, though I'm very concerned about whether or not we saw the start of a beautiful thing or whether its the JO tailgate effect of always seeing a W!
Post by: Johnny English on October 04, 2021, 07:14:49 PM
Unfortunately I've been dealing with an illness with a very close friend (34 years young, just found out he has melanoma and it reached his lymph nodes), while walking a fine line between stopping and enjoying life due to that perspective check while also simultaneously being deluged with all kinds of matters at work.
Hope you guys had a great time, though I'm very concerned about whether or not we saw the start of a beautiful thing or whether its the JO tailgate effect of always seeing a W!
Getting a bit freaking bored of people coming up with legitimate and not fun reasons why they can't make tailgate and diminishing my ability to mock them for being SLWs.
Seriously though, sorry to hear that and hope everything works out for your friend. Next year.
Post by: mj2sexay on October 04, 2021, 07:18:39 PM
Getting a bit freaking bored of people coming up with legitimate and not fun reasons why they can't make tailgate and diminishing my ability to mock them for being SLWs.
Seriously though, sorry to hear that and hope everything works out for your friend. Next year.
Appreciate that very much, thank you JE.
Post by: Badger on October 15, 2021, 03:19:22 PM
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Stop2End
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 21, 2021, 10:24:26 AM
Post by: Johnny English on October 21, 2021, 05:10:06 PM
Post by: Badger on October 21, 2021, 06:25:19 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 21, 2021, 06:51:27 PM
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-edges-toward-contempt-charges-against-trump-aide-bannon-2021-10-21/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-edges-toward-contempt-charges-against-trump-aide-bannon-2021-10-21/)
Post by: bojanglesman on October 21, 2021, 06:53:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 04, 2021, 01:06:21 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on November 04, 2021, 01:08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1456281185827569665?t=aLV4Vbd2TWcj-AWA359j2w&s=19
Quote
“You’re not being singled out for your political views or anything like that,” Cooper said. “It’s how and where you decided to express them.”
Hey your honor? Who the freak are you kidding.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 04, 2021, 01:14:17 PM
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1456281185827569665?t=aLV4Vbd2TWcj-AWA359j2w&s=19
Fantastic.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 04, 2021, 03:23:19 PM
Something something Trump pee pee hookers something.
Post by: delavan on November 05, 2021, 02:11:32 PM
Looks like the Steele dossier was in fact the steaming pile of excrement everyone thought it was.
Something something Trump pee pee hookers something.
Others' mileage may vary
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/MSNBC_2015-2021_logo.svg/320px-MSNBC_2015-2021_logo.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/CNN_Heroes_logo.svg/320px-CNN_Heroes_logo.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Barbra_Streisand_at_Health_Matters_Conference.jpg/197px-Barbra_Streisand_at_Health_Matters_Conference.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Adam_Schiff_-_Caricature_%2840024596101%29.jpg/171px-Adam_Schiff_-_Caricature_%2840024596101%29.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Golden_Shower_%2832315245512%29.jpg/384px-Golden_Shower_%2832315245512%29.jpg)
Personally, my only beef was the MSM purposefully not connecting the dots as to whom Steele's 'CCCP' peep was (and who was paying for it....read: pantsuit/fat ankles).
Post by: mj2sexay on November 05, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Brought to you by what continues to be the best account on twitter.
And of course, obligatory freak Aaron Rupar.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 05, 2021, 03:36:10 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on November 05, 2021, 03:45:15 PM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1456709660468252673?t=d4_1IcjHoVIxXo9SCOSQ1Q&s=19 (https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1456709660468252673?t=d4_1IcjHoVIxXo9SCOSQ1Q&s=19)
How dare you question the results of a freely held election. You are complicit in The Big Lie.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 05, 2021, 05:21:24 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 16, 2021, 04:28:45 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 16, 2021, 05:18:01 PM
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tucker-carlson-patriot-purge-is-fascist-january-6-revisionism_n_6192b4a9e4b05e93cbb3c1d7
I don't like Tucker at all, I think he makes people on the right look bad. And he's far worse than previous fox center pieces (ie O'Reilly Glenn Beck)
But it's interesting the ridiculous double standard when he puts out his garbage, which I presume is limited to fox news. Vs the left wing equivalentcy stuff thsys never talked about, and is much more widely accessible on outlets like Netflix
Post by: bojanglesman on November 16, 2021, 06:39:42 PM
I don't like Tucker at all, I think he makes people on the right look bad. And he's far worse than previous fox center pieces (ie O'Reilly Glenn Beck)
You should have stopped here. No need for the second paragraph, it diminishes the point of the first one.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 16, 2021, 07:01:54 PM
You should have stopped here. No need for the second paragraph, it diminishes the point of the first one.
Lol , no it doesn't.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 16, 2021, 07:42:03 PM
You should have stopped here. No need for the second paragraph, it diminishes the point of the first one.
My point wasn't about Tucker. Tucker pushes out insane propoganda and nonsense. But it's really only accessible to people who are actively looking for it, yet it gets highlighted in the media whenever he does this excrement.
Yet I log onto Netflix, which is one of if not the most utilized forms of entertainment in the world. And the second I log on I have excrement propoganda about Kaepernick, Trump, January 6th shoved down my throat from the opposite side of the aisle.
How often do we see articles about this or how unreasonable this is? I've certainly never seen one. Of course I don't exactly go looking for it, and the political lean of this board means most people on here probably wouldn't either
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 16, 2021, 08:12:17 PM
My point wasn't about Tucker. Tucker pushes out insane propoganda and nonsense. But it's really only accessible to people who are actively looking for it, yet it gets highlighted in the media whenever he does this excrement.
Yet I log onto Netflix, which is one of if not the most utilized forms of entertainment in the world. And the second I log on I have excrement propoganda about Kaepernick, Trump, January 6th shoved down my throat from the opposite side of the aisle.
How often do we see articles about this or how unreasonable this is? I've certainly never seen one. Of course I don't exactly go looking for it, and the political lean of this board means most people on here probably wouldn't either
The true tragedy of a violent insurrection in the Capitol.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 16, 2021, 08:38:34 PM
The true tragedy of a violent insurrection in the Capitol.
I didn't see the Netflix special on the violent protests in Seattle.
Any idea what it's called?
I'm not absolving January 6th in any way shape or form, it is what it is. And sure you can strongly make the argument that this protest is more serious because it involved the capital.
But several of these other protests we saw in the last year were far more violent. I don't remember seeing the capital burnt to the ground or being occupied for ridiculous amounts of time.
Also only one of those things mentioned above was about the capital
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2021, 08:06:46 AM
I didn't see the Netflix special on the violent protests in Seattle.
Any idea what it's called?
Cuties
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2021, 10:40:47 AM
Sign up for the Official Trump Announcement Priority List to find out FIRST.
TODAY ONLY. Act NOW: bit.ly/30AnAMV
Stop2End
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2021, 03:06:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 18, 2021, 07:07:53 PM
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1461386620989411332?s=21Ha. Real dude.
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2021, 07:11:25 PM
Ha. Real dude.
Reminder that it's this guy:
https://www.kwklaw.net/albert-watkins
Walking a very fine line between "real dude" and "total poopchute".
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 18, 2021, 08:52:36 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 19, 2021, 05:04:13 AM
Reminder that it's this guy:
https://www.kwklaw.net/albert-watkins
Walking a very fine line between "real dude" and "total poopchute".
Apparently he's also said this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1wIlA0XsAExLSB.png)
Post by: bojanglesman on November 19, 2021, 06:07:04 AM
Reminder that it's this guy:Ok, he's also a douche. But he's entertaining.
https://www.kwklaw.net/albert-watkins
Walking a very fine line between "real dude" and "total poopchute".
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2021, 06:00:23 PM
This is it. We WON'T TEXT YOU AGAIN.
Activate your 2021 Trump Founding Membership before it's TOO LATE.
1 HOUR. Hurry >> bit.ly/3o9qK3A
Stop2End
Post by: Badger on December 01, 2021, 06:00:34 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 01, 2021, 06:44:49 PM
Guys, I think they're lying.
They might not be.
They might start texting you about the 2022 Trump membership instead, whole different animal.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 01, 2021, 06:48:46 PM
Post by: delavan on December 01, 2021, 06:56:16 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 06, 2021, 07:07:05 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 06, 2021, 07:17:48 AM
No way this is real.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211206/d222c659cf9de474954c0d36812f528f.jpg)
It's definitely not.
I think the body and hands appear quite photoshopped
Post by: bojanglesman on December 06, 2021, 07:19:24 AM
It's definitely not.That would explain the Trump dick jizzing reindeer.
I think the body and hands appear quite photoshopped
Post by: delavan on December 06, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 07, 2021, 01:48:09 PM
Post by: Badger on December 08, 2021, 03:18:21 PM
Quote
Steve Bannon says Trump will be elected “for the third time” in 2024 and Joe Biden is “an illegitimate president”
Joe Biden was born in Kenya
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 08, 2021, 05:42:33 PM
Joe Biden was born in Kenya
I never understood why that would have been an actual legal issue for Obama but not for Ted Cruz.
I completely understand why it was made into an issue for Obama.
Post by: delavan on December 08, 2021, 08:40:33 PM
I never understood why that would have been an actual legal issue for Obama but not for Ted Cruz.
I completely understand why it was made into an issue for Obama.
This ^ I don't care if Uncle Sam himself knocked his mom up the fact remains: Calgary, Alberta is Calgary, Alberta notwithstanding right wing political scholars trying to dickdance around that fact.
Post by: Johnny English on December 08, 2021, 09:04:48 PM
This ^ I don't care if Uncle Sam himself knocked his mom up the fact remains: Calgary, Alberta is Calgary, Alberta notwithstanding right wing political scholars trying to dickdance around that fact.
Yeah but his Cuban heritage and Canadian birth cancel each other out, see?
Post by: insanity on December 10, 2021, 06:51:52 AM
Post by: delavan on December 14, 2021, 05:24:37 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/14/trump-tax-returns-legal-524235
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 16, 2021, 07:40:26 AM
Finally
Post by: dcm1602 on December 16, 2021, 07:53:44 AM
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1471472364990996480?s=21
Finally
This is where people just say if you're not teaching CRT you have nothing to worry about.
Honestly people need to realize this is one of those retarded issues with minimal repercussions that's just going to fire up people to vote.
It's like the stupid freaking transgender bathroom bullshit.
Some obscure nonsense with borderline no repercussions for 99.9% of people , yet it was used as a rallying cry for both parties.
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2021, 07:59:09 AM
This is where people just say if you're not teaching CRT you have nothing to worry about.
Between the right's amorphous definition of CRT and their talent in packing the courts, I'm not completely sure of that.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 16, 2021, 09:52:16 AM
Badger's in, who else?
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2021, 01:24:05 PM
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1471472364990996480?s=21
Finally
I cannot wait until he's our next President.
Post by: delavan on December 16, 2021, 07:44:27 PM
I cannot wait until he's our next President.
Stop.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2021, 08:20:41 PM
Stop.
No, i should be content with the failure currently occupying the executive branch, or any of the people on the democratic short bus.
Ronny D has his finger on the pulse of the broader culture war being fought better than any republican politician in quite some time. And yes, I'd much rather he was the nominee then Trump.
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2021, 08:38:40 PM
No, i should be content with the failure currently occupying the executive branch, or any of the people on the democratic short bus.He's truly the prince of conservatives getting angry at stuff they made up.
Ronny D has his finger on the pulse of the broader culture war being fought better than any republican politician in quite some time. And yes, I'd much rather he was the nominee then Trump.
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2021, 08:40:23 PM
He's truly the prince of conservatives getting angry at stuff they made up.
"everything you take issue with is just made up!"
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2021, 09:37:52 PM
"everything you take issue with is just made up!"Yes
Ronny D will turn the tide in the War on Christmas
Post by: Johnny English on December 16, 2021, 11:00:26 PM
YesI held out as long as I could but the tree got up and decorated on Wednesday, so I think Christmas is still winning.
Ronny D will turn the tide in the War on Christmas
Post by: Badger on December 17, 2021, 08:01:48 AM
I held out as long as I could but the tree got up and decorated on Wednesday, so I think Christmas is still winning.We're sleeper agents, obviously.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 17, 2021, 08:12:37 AM
I held out as long as I could but the tree got up and decorated on Wednesday, so I think Christmas is still winning.
I'm sure the wood spirits are pleased. Happy solstice!
Post by: bojanglesman on December 17, 2021, 08:13:05 AM
I'm sure the wood spirits are pleased. Happy solstice!Look to the East.....chemtrails....etc.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2021, 11:33:57 AM
This is certainly a decision
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 21, 2021, 12:32:24 PM
Based Trump, but the antivaxxers that also worship him continue to pretend that he doesn’t hold this stance
Post by: Badger on December 23, 2021, 01:21:11 PM
Old price: $75
New price: $60
Deadline: IMMEDIATELY
Claim NOW: bit.ly/3Fvq2na
Stop2End
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 23, 2021, 06:06:35 PM
Post by: Badger on December 23, 2021, 06:28:41 PM
https://twitter.com/skepticalspice/status/1474169989934551044?t=8JgJR9eaMfLgY19H37WtOQ&s=19
Post by: bojanglesman on December 26, 2021, 07:21:29 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2022, 08:32:42 AM
I was kinda skeptical until 1:55
Post by: bojanglesman on January 05, 2022, 09:36:02 AM
https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1478522771093082112?s=21Sooooroooosss!!
I was kinda skeptical until 1:55
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2022, 08:40:58 AM
Ah, this must be what the lads call Trump Derangement Syndrome
Post by: Badger on January 08, 2022, 03:49:20 PM
https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1479929265118449666?t=mf-MUdDzqcKPp6NzWMK21g&s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 08, 2022, 03:54:45 PM
Post by: insanity on January 08, 2022, 05:01:25 PM
https://twitter.com/brokebackusa/status/1479120871663063040?s=21This kid reminds me of the military vet in the punisher who thinks he's a hero
Ah, this must be what the lads call Trump Derangement Syndrome
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6DA4WHwhv44/Wk0Ufq5B9JI/AAAAAAAAdZM/I6lRxT-8i1ERyEi_CKZ_oTOsh62btA8BwCLcBGAs/s1600/10.png)
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 08, 2022, 05:19:13 PM
https://twitter.com/brokebackusa/status/1479120871663063040?s=21
Ah, this must be what the lads call Trump Derangement Syndrome
https://twitter.com/God101Prw/status/1479354378825859075?s=20 (https://twitter.com/God101Prw/status/1479354378825859075?s=20)
https://twitter.com/QualiaControl/status/1479216723245117445?s=20 (https://twitter.com/QualiaControl/status/1479216723245117445?s=20)
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2022, 10:53:43 AM
Pres. Trump asked patriots for their support & you're the ONLY ONE who ignored him.
ONE LAST CHANCE. Give NOW: bit.ly/32DOZ1R
Stop2End
Post by: delavan on February 14, 2022, 02:11:29 PM
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1493245394280755207
a tale of two assholes
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Artificial_urinary_sphincters.jpg/320px-Artificial_urinary_sphincters.jpg)
Post by: delavan on February 23, 2022, 05:07:31 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/23/two-top-prosecutors-in-probe-of-trump-org-resign-from-manhattan-das-office.html
Post by: delavan on February 25, 2022, 12:05:46 PM
Post by: Badger on February 25, 2022, 01:21:51 PM
Stop2End
Post by: bojanglesman on March 02, 2022, 09:27:55 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/02/jan6-trump-obstruction-justice-00013440
Nothing will happen.
Post by: dcm1602 on March 03, 2022, 12:43:29 AM
POLITICO: Jan. 6 committee says Trump violated multiple laws in effort to overturn election.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/02/jan6-trump-obstruction-justice-00013440
Nothing will happen.
Nothing will happen because this is a political committee.
I doubt anything would happen regardless, but I'd imagine a non (or less) biased approach with actual professional legal folks would be the way things like that happen
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2022, 09:10:51 AM
keep defending this guy, mj
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2022, 09:16:02 AM
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2022, 09:21:56 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 06, 2022, 12:04:05 PM
https://twitter.com/HayesBrown/status/1500329958320844802?s=20&t=x_wow99qyeZjbJw2HyQSOA
keep defending this guy, mj
I guess...I guess you're just going to have to develop a sense of humor.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/273049905_364274642226298_5194357756689876334_n.png?stp=dst-png_p168x128&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=aee45a&_nc_ohc=CP_IP4r4zBcAX_nWVOF&_nc_ad=z-m&_nc_cid=0&_nc_ht=scontent.xx&oh=03_AVIxJeAsbchvBz1pGCQjdWlbsllGoaE6IQaa59Zpt9fEhQ&oe=624B6DAB)
You get that from OccupyDems, Ridin With Biden or some other blueanon pooper that I don't know about yet?
Post by: delavan on March 06, 2022, 01:04:07 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/273049905_364274642226298_5194357756689876334_n.png?stp=dst-png_p168x128&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=aee45a&_nc_ohc=CP_IP4r4zBcAX_nWVOF&_nc_ad=z-m&_nc_cid=0&_nc_ht=scontent.xx&oh=03_AVIxJeAsbchvBz1pGCQjdWlbsllGoaE6IQaa59Zpt9fEhQ&oe=624B6DAB)Gotta agree with mj here.....what the hell is that? ^^^
Donald Trump will go down
as the first American president
to go down on Melanija Knavs
and future generations will view
the name 'Trump' synonymously
with 'he banged Melanija'
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Melania_Trump_official_portrait.jpg/160px-Melania_Trump_official_portrait.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on March 06, 2022, 01:16:43 PM
Gotta agree with mj here.....what the hell is that? ^^^A treasonous swine?
Donald Trump will go down
as the first American president
to go down on Melanija Knavs
and future generations will view
the name 'Trump' synonymously
with 'he banged Melanija'
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Melania_Trump_official_portrait.jpg/160px-Melania_Trump_official_portrait.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on March 06, 2022, 01:19:39 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on March 10, 2022, 10:32:53 AM
Post by: Badger on March 16, 2022, 03:03:17 PM
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2022, 08:07:13 AM
Stop2End
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 28, 2022, 07:27:02 PM
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2022, 07:11:38 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 20, 2022, 05:13:21 PM
https://twitter.com/AlexThomp/status/1516880677412745220
Post by: reuben on April 21, 2022, 07:18:02 AM
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2022, 05:05:47 PM
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1519432488287887369?t=xX2f1vSIq6WVgi4QQPeFqA&s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 27, 2022, 05:31:21 PM
No wonder they've been trying to erase all mention of the gays from schools. They're very dangerous fruits.
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1519432488287887369?t=xX2f1vSIq6WVgi4QQPeFqA&s=19
Scared of ramps. Threatened by tomatoes.
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2022, 05:52:41 PM
Scared of ramps.
Coming for the ADA next
Post by: bojanglesman on May 02, 2022, 08:29:24 AM
Post by: delavan on May 02, 2022, 03:44:52 PM
https://www.axios.com/mark-esper-book-trump-protesters-24e93272-2af5-423d-be3b-164daab7b43d.htmlDonald J. Rittenhouse
Post by: CatoTheElder on May 02, 2022, 11:40:44 PM
https://www.axios.com/mark-esper-book-trump-protesters-24e93272-2af5-423d-be3b-164daab7b43d.html
Kept this until his book was out. Mark Esper is a piece of excrement.
Post by: Johnny English on May 10, 2022, 01:20:18 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61399483
Post by: klaximilian on May 10, 2022, 01:35:11 PM
To the surprise of absolutely no one:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61399483
Good. He shouldn't have been banned in the first place.
Post by: Johnny English on May 10, 2022, 01:57:23 PM
Good. He shouldn't have been banned in the first place.
I don't really care one way or the other because Twitter is a cesspool of the very worst people whether he's on it or not, but people who are bent out of shape over him being banned are mostly either hypocritical or missing the point.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 10, 2022, 02:33:25 PM
I don't really care one way or the other because Twitter is a cesspool of the very worst people whether he's on it or not, but people who are bent out of shape over him being banned are mostly either hypocritical or missing the point.
Banning someone over the concern of violence is not unreasonable.
Permanently banning him, ehhh, i think that's probably a little more politically driven. That said Trump was definitely a queynte when it came to stirring excrement up around January 6th, so he's not worth defending
I'd say more importantly to me in how fair it is, is what's Twitters record of banning people on the opposite side of the spectrum.
For example when some police officers had gotten intentionally murdered during the BLM thing or the excrement in Seattle, was anyone banned then?
Obviously Trumps circumstances are highly unique, but it makes it harder to defend your actions when there is no precedent.
Post by: Johnny English on May 10, 2022, 02:41:25 PM
Banning someone over the concern of violence is not unreasonable.
Permanently banning him, ehhh, i think that's probably a little more politically driven. That said Trump was definitely a queynte when it came to stirring excrement up around January 6th, so he's not worth defending
And the fact is that I can kick you out of my bar because I don't like the colour of your shirt and Trump (or anyone else) can be kicked off Twitter because the people running it think he's being a queynte. Being a current or former President, being a Republican puppet, being a failed gameshow host, being a lying queynte, are all things that do not appear on the list of protected classes under federal law and can be legally discriminated against (or for - Musk is equally within his rights to buy Twitter and only allow people on who are current or former Presidents, Republican puppets, failed gameshow hosts, or lying cunts).
To my original point - getting bent out of shape on either side of this whole thing is stupid. People squealing about him being let back on can just, y'know, leave Twitter.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 10, 2022, 02:46:24 PM
And the fact is that I can kick you out of my bar because I don't like the colour of your shirt and Trump (or anyone else) can be kicked off Twitter because the people running it think he's being a queynte. Being a current or former President, being a Republican puppet, being a failed gameshow host, being a lying queynte, are all things that do not appear on the list of protected classes under federal law and can be legally discriminated against (or for - Musk is equally within his rights to buy Twitter and only allow people on who are current or former Presidents, Republican puppets, failed gameshow hosts, or lying cunts).
To my original point - getting bent out of shape on either side of this whole thing is stupid. People squealing about him being let back on can just, y'know, leave Twitter.
A lot of things here, but the thing I'm wondering is can you deny someone service because of their political affiliation?
Like can I refuse someone service in a bar because of who they voted for for president?
Post by: Johnny English on May 10, 2022, 02:54:49 PM
A lot of things here, but the thing I'm wondering is can you deny someone service because of their political affiliation?
Like can I refuse someone service in a bar because of who they voted for for president?
I'm sure that mj will be along to correct me, but I'm pretty sure that yes, you can legally discriminate based on political affiliation - you can choose to only allow people into your bar who are wearing MAGA hats, and you can fire someone for being a Trump voter. According to Wiki, which as we know is the bastion of all truth and factual correctness, the protected characteristics in the US are:
- Race
- Religion
- National Origin
- Age
- Sexual orientation and gender
- Pregnancy
- Family status
- Disability status
- Veteran status
- Genetic information
That's federal. States can also enact their own additional protections so it might be that some states have protections against discrimination for political status, but Twitter I presume is governed by federal law via the Telecommunications Act which I think is the statute primarily governing internet and social media organisations. Presumably they're also subject to whatever state laws are in place where they're HQed, but I doubt California much cares about prosecuting them for banning Trump.
I would also caveat this with the fact that I'm applying my understanding of discrimination laws as they're applied in Canada (I've had reason to need to understand them quite well in the last year) and there may well be differences in how the US applies them, but I think I'm pretty close.
Post by: mj2sexay on May 10, 2022, 03:08:35 PM
Where I've always found twitter's obvious bias absurd from a legality standpoint is the fact that a court of law has held that certain accounts can't ban people under the idea that their account (specifically the President's) was analyzed as akin to a public square.
The whole forum is quite obviously a public square at this point.
Trump should have never been banned, and it's further been amazing to see figures on the left engage in absolute hysterics over Musks purchase because their favorite echo chamber is about to be threatened.
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2022, 06:13:50 PM
Good. He shouldn't have been banned in the first place.Nor all the people who tweet at others to DIAF.
Post by: Badger on May 10, 2022, 06:14:30 PM
https://v.redd.it/5r42l3bymoy81
Post by: delavan on May 11, 2022, 04:04:36 PM
Yes I get it, turn on Fox and you'd witness the same "2nd verse, same as the 1st" flip side, however I've been struck by her utter slam dunk approach (i.e. her 'contributing panel' chortling, snickering) while chewing the fat supposedly o/b/o of me/us, the unwashed masses. FTR, myself I refuse to tune into Carlson/Hannity/Ingram/Doocey et al, yet at the same time I gotta say that I've been struck at how effortlessly Nicole Wallace has breached the line between journalism and trolldouchebarry a la Joy Reid, a la Don Lemon, a la that reactionary skank Jenenne Pierro.....our 'media' is so fuckked and it's reflected in the snark/smug of what passes for political discourse in this, the greatest country in the history of man...cue john phillip souza... :-)
P.S. freak the Toronto Blue Jays. freak the Toronto Maple Leafs. freak the Winnipeg Jets.
freak Miss Canada.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Miss_Canada_Latina_Ninela_sanchez.jpg/320px-Miss_Canada_Latina_Ninela_sanchez.jpg)
Long live JO.
The media sucks and suckers 'lamprey' off their teet
Post by: reuben on May 11, 2022, 04:18:53 PM
Nicole Wallace for the past hour has been earning her MSNBXC paycheck with an ad nauseam 'trump this..trump that' parade of shaky cred partisans----one after another---who've spouted one 'worst thing since bubby brister' harangue after another.....yawn, may 11th, 2022...
Yes I get it, turn on Fox and you'd witness the same "2nd verse, same as the 1st" flip side, however I've been struck by her utter slam dunk approach (i.e. her 'contributing panel' chortling, snickering) while chewing the fat supposedly o/b/o of me/us, the unwashed masses. FTR, myself I refuse to tune into Carlson/Hannity/Ingram/Doocey et al, yet at the same time I gotta say that I've been struck at how effortlessly Nicole Wallace has breached the line between journalism and trolldouchebarry a la Joy Reid, a la Don Lemon, a la that reactionary skank Jenenne Pierro.....our 'media' is so fuckked and it's reflected in the snark/smug of what passes for political discourse in this, the greatest country in the history of man...cue john phillip souza... :-)
P.S. freak the Toronto Blue Jays. freak the Toronto Maple Leafs. freak the Winnipeg Jets.
freak Miss Canada.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Miss_Canada_Latina_Ninela_sanchez.jpg/320px-Miss_Canada_Latina_Ninela_sanchez.jpg)
Long live JO.
The media sucks and suckers 'lamprey' off their teet
Do you talk like this in real life?
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 11, 2022, 05:04:20 PM
Post by: delavan on May 12, 2022, 01:36:25 PM
Do you talk like this in real life?Why's that? My intent wasn't to offend any 'uppityfuck' sensibilities but to call out the msm as a corporate-driven sham.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Book_of_Snobs_XVIII-page_69.jpg/755px-Book_of_Snobs_XVIII-page_69.jpg)
Post by: mj2sexay on May 12, 2022, 01:52:44 PM
Why's that? My intent wasn't to offend any 'uppityfuck' sensibilities but to call out the msm as a corporate-driven sham.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Book_of_Snobs_XVIII-page_69.jpg/755px-Book_of_Snobs_XVIII-page_69.jpg)
Corporate media in conjunction with government are our overlords and know best. Thank goodness for Nina Jankowicz!
Post by: reuben on May 12, 2022, 02:02:45 PM
Why's that? My intent wasn't to offend any 'uppityfuck' sensibilities but to call out the msm as a corporate-driven sham.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Book_of_Snobs_XVIII-page_69.jpg/755px-Book_of_Snobs_XVIII-page_69.jpg)
My sensibilities are secure and your message is fine, but sometimes conversationally it's like every one of your clauses is wearing its own prom dress.
Post by: ons on May 12, 2022, 02:47:48 PM
Nicole Wallace ... FTR, myself I refuse to tune into Carlson/Hannity/Ingram/Doocey et al, yet at the same time I gotta say that I've been struck at how effortlessly Nicole Wallace has breached the line between journalism and trolldouchebarry a la Joy Reid, a la Don Lemon, a la that reactionary skank Jenenne Pierro...
I don't think I've watched more than a minute of uninterrupted cable news in my life. There is such a glut of entertainment and information available to us in this day and age, I can't imagine even turning on that dribble. It's always a little surprising to me that people even keep track of all of those personalities and names. The power it has is collectively given, could one day be collectively taken away
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2022, 03:04:51 PM
https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1524835600720875531?t=J7ER9gPr2_Y_XEEhZSETLg&s=19
Post by: Badger on May 16, 2022, 10:24:43 AM
https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1526221338142248960?t=c4Vo6w4gbWciuEt8tXZNcw&s=19
Post by: dcm1602 on May 16, 2022, 10:29:49 AM
Isn't this just gonna motivate his base?
https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1526221338142248960?t=c4Vo6w4gbWciuEt8tXZNcw&s=19
Dudes almost 82
I'm not sure if the dudes going to even live till the election
Post by: delavan on May 16, 2022, 03:47:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on May 19, 2022, 08:17:33 PM
I wish they would have found a nude video of her instead of him.
Post by: dcm1602 on May 19, 2022, 08:41:50 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/lauren-boebert-pnext-on-madison-cawthorn-foes-hit-list-2022-5
I wish they would have found a nude video of her instead of him.
If she agrees to release one I'm willing to campaign for her
Post by: delavan on May 19, 2022, 11:34:34 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Lauren_Boebert.JPG/138px-Lauren_Boebert.JPG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Humpty_Dance#/media/File:Humptydancesingle.jpg
Post by: Badger on June 28, 2022, 01:18:16 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 28, 2022, 01:38:14 PM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1541845359718240258?t=qUVE4Qb-eK5hikzT-2WBaA&s=19Ketchup.....arrest MBGreen now. Smoking gun.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 28, 2022, 01:48:56 PM
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I don’t care if they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the freaking [magnetic scanners] away now.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 28, 2022, 01:54:57 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 28, 2022, 02:03:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on June 28, 2022, 02:14:37 PM
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'I hardly know who this person, Cassidy Hutchinson, is, other than I heard very negative things about her (a total phony and a "leaker"), and when she requested to go with certain others of the team to Florida after my having served a full term in office, I personally turned her request now,'
Lol
Post by: Badger on June 28, 2022, 11:39:55 PM
Ketchup.....arrest MBGreen now. Smoking gun.The real foreign interference.
Edit: missed the obvious "red-handed" joke
Post by: Badger on June 29, 2022, 12:09:39 AM
https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1541958552532795393?t=_sW5CwTXAFA1Y4cBoqSioA&s=19
Post by: mj2sexay on June 29, 2022, 05:49:03 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 30, 2022, 11:51:26 AM
45 is vigorous enough to steal the Presidential limo while the other guy can't ride a bike! Sad!
Sadly his tiny hands weren’t able to grip onto the steering wheel and the vehicle continued on course, unaffected
Post by: mj2sexay on June 30, 2022, 11:59:39 AM
Sadly his tiny hands weren’t able to grip onto the steering wheel and the vehicle continued on course, unaffected
Good thing the entire thing is basically fanfic, sad that it had to be spewed at an absolute farce of a waste of money, time and energy.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 30, 2022, 05:17:44 PM
Although I really want to see Trump's reaction to the "he's too fat to reach the steering wheel from the back seat" defense.
https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1542272059937546243?t=D4gfQK-Rk_6NWeSW0_0X4w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1542272059937546243?t=D4gfQK-Rk_6NWeSW0_0X4w&s=19)
Post by: bojanglesman on June 30, 2022, 06:20:26 PM
Good thing no one actually cares about that part because it's not actually important.He'll probably say that girth is referring to his giant orange penis.
Although I really want to see Trump's reaction to the "he's too fat to reach the steering wheel from the back seat" defense.
https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1542272059937546243?t=D4gfQK-Rk_6NWeSW0_0X4w&s=19 (https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1542272059937546243?t=D4gfQK-Rk_6NWeSW0_0X4w&s=19)
Post by: delavan on July 01, 2022, 12:06:56 PM
He'll probably say that girth is referring to his giant orange penis.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/650118373/thin-is-in-but-fats-where-its-at-225
https://www.etsy.com/listing/650118373/thin-is-in-but-fats-where-its-at-225
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 01, 2022, 03:00:03 PM
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1542958762545348609?t=bn782MsaLD7wMo3EFg2kZQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1542958762545348609?t=bn782MsaLD7wMo3EFg2kZQ&s=19)
Post by: bojanglesman on July 01, 2022, 03:06:04 PM
Still the least important part of Hutchinson's testimony, but LOL.
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1542958762545348609?t=bn782MsaLD7wMo3EFg2kZQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1542958762545348609?t=bn782MsaLD7wMo3EFg2kZQ&s=19)
I still don't think anyone has backed up the steering wheel/attack part. Trump people will focus on that detail as a credibility issue even though like you said it is a small detail and all she said was she heard that, not saw it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 01, 2022, 03:20:42 PM
I still don't think anyone has backed up the steering wheel/attack part. Trump people will focus on that detail as a credibility issue even though like you said it is a small detail and all she said was she heard that, not saw it.
No but the mass flood of reports that "USSS agents are willing to go record to refute this" that came out after the Hutchinson testimony being followed up by actual USSS testimony that "I heard something like that" is worth a chuckle.
There's a reason I'm posting this to the Trumpster Fire thread and not another one.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 05, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
Lol
Post by: mj2sexay on July 05, 2022, 10:04:06 PM
Good thing no one actually cares about that part because it's not actually important.
A more fine encapsulation of these dumbass farcical hearings I've yet to see! Thanks!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 06, 2022, 11:13:44 AM
A more fine encapsulation of these dumbass farcical hearings I've yet to see! Thanks!
Interesting tactic, continuing on with your bit after skipping over the post that proves you wrong. Straight out of the Truth Social playbook
Post by: delavan on July 06, 2022, 11:19:06 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/CipollineOnions.jpg/320px-CipollineOnions.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on July 06, 2022, 11:31:51 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/06/us/politics/pat-cipollone-jan-6-testimony.htmlI don't get the picture. Are those onions? Is there crying?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/CipollineOnions.jpg/320px-CipollineOnions.jpg)
Post by: delavan on July 06, 2022, 11:44:30 AM
I don't get the picture. Are those onions? Is there crying?Admittedly obtuse (and lame); this will help explain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cipollone
(btw, cippolini onions in a balsamic glaze = yum)
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2022, 10:12:01 PM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1545594917132464128?t=wUiZF8oZ3T45J7FClmTEaA&s=19
Post by: reuben on July 08, 2022, 10:19:15 PM
Big if true
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1545594917132464128?t=wUiZF8oZ3T45J7FClmTEaA&s=19
They say
Take my car
They say
They say
Take my car
Post by: Johnny English on July 09, 2022, 08:36:26 AM
Big if trueI always do that with the Jeep. Don't want someone slashing the roof to get in, just leave it unlocked and don't leave excrement in there.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1545594917132464128?t=wUiZF8oZ3T45J7FClmTEaA&s=19
Post by: Badger on July 09, 2022, 09:22:40 PM
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1545950135989026816?t=AcVp0ONxOKhSpzmMxbNKkA&s=19
Post by: Badger on August 01, 2022, 06:32:55 PM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1554228780264144897?t=RMBjFLYE_vazjLotBCV1vQ&s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 08, 2022, 06:57:19 PM
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2022, 07:15:19 PM
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Post by: CatoTheElder on August 08, 2022, 07:38:18 PM
They even broke into my safe!
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Eagerly awaiting him running his campaign from Argentina.
Post by: Badger on August 08, 2022, 08:30:42 PM
Eagerly awaiting him running his campaign from Argentina.Consider that there are 4 people on this list that would be worse than Trump
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Post by: CatoTheElder on August 08, 2022, 09:11:09 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 08, 2022, 09:11:42 PM
Consider that there are 4 people on this list that would be worse than Trump
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They're all awful, what's your point?
Post by: mj2sexay on August 08, 2022, 11:29:10 PM
Post by: Badger on August 09, 2022, 06:10:51 AM
Something, something, authoritarianism, weaponization of the justice department, etc etc.Yeah, don't they know law enforcement is only supposed to be wielded against the poors?
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 09, 2022, 06:49:51 AM
Post by: delavan on August 09, 2022, 09:04:05 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/08/us/politics/donald-trump-president-criminal-law.html?referringSource=articleShare
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 09, 2022, 09:25:41 AM
Edit: Amazing
https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/1556799331352682502?t=qxVfbvDfCJ05VNy0cmCKQA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/1556799331352682502?t=qxVfbvDfCJ05VNy0cmCKQA&s=19)
Just to be clear: the FBI director who issued the search warrant, the federal judge who signed it, and the DOJ attorney who executed it were all Trump appointees.
Post by: Johnny English on August 09, 2022, 09:38:40 AM
Post by: Badger on August 09, 2022, 09:49:04 AM
https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/1556799331352682502?t=qxVfbvDfCJ05VNy0cmCKQA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/1556799331352682502?t=qxVfbvDfCJ05VNy0cmCKQA&s=19)
Just to be clear: the FBI director who issued the search warrant, the federal judge who signed it, and the DOJ attorney who executed it were all Trump appointees.
The deep state
Post by: Badger on August 09, 2022, 11:01:08 AM
https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1557033060914249729?t=YVMoIKL1o5yxiARDHhxzag&s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 09, 2022, 11:09:36 AM
Post by: delavan on August 09, 2022, 11:27:29 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/Progressive_Moose_walking.png/314px-Progressive_Moose_walking.png)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 09, 2022, 02:31:59 PM
Same energy
Post by: delavan on August 09, 2022, 04:40:15 PM
Thanks OJThat's Orthental James at 75?! Damn Doug Flutie-Frank Thomas you look great! That said, I'm sure y'all were screaming bloody murder when Juice walked post Nicole & Ron.. ; )
https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1557033060914249729?t=YVMoIKL1o5yxiARDHhxzag&s=19
although 2022 metro-Juice does sound kinda fucked up:
"Actually, a couple of years later I WAS GETTING A PEDICURE down the street from my house at this new place.."
My point being while I too never voted for trump either in '16 or '20 (not that it should matter) I don't think you use search warrants and prosecutions to go after 'political enemies' based on partisan considerations a la Venezuela / Bolivia. It's the same reason why they (correctly imo) didn't go after Hillary Clinton even after 33k subpoenaed emails went "poof!...plss off DOJ." Subpoena the documents in question, i.e. apply the same standard as with presidential candidate Clinton. Goose / gander.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 09, 2022, 04:51:13 PM
Its amazing to see how the poseurs who supposedly believe in criminal justice/want reform (despite voting for a corrupt career prosecutor and the single most identifiable politician responsible for the overincarceration issue in this country) all of a sudden revert to such cop bootlicking greatest hits as "well if he did nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about!"
Post by: Johnny English on August 09, 2022, 05:03:48 PM
I was wondering how blatant weaponization of the State towards political enemies would be rationalized in here, and I wasn't disappointed.
Its amazing to see how the poseurs who supposedly believe in criminal justice/want reform (despite voting for a corrupt career prosecutor and the single most identifiable politician responsible for the overincarceration issue in this country) all of a sudden revert to such cop bootlicking greatest hits as "well if he did nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about!"
Presumably by using the same rationale as was applied by Conservatives when demanding the FBI investigate Clinton for mishandling restricted government documents, coincidentally the exact same offense as Trump is apparently suspected of, and which they duly did. Why do you think that the law only applies when it suits your preferred brand? And before you answer that, consider that the warrant was requested by an FBI led by a Trump appointee, and signed by a federal judge who was a Trump appointee, presumably because there was probable cause. And if reports are to be believed they recovered over 100 pages of classified documents that should never have been removed from the White House, and that he was ordered to return several times.
But yeah. something something weaponization something something. Seriously mj, you're a smart man but sometimes when it comes to this excrement you're freaking cuckoo.
Post by: mj2sexay on August 09, 2022, 05:59:23 PM
Presumably by using the same rationale as was applied by Conservatives when demanding the FBI investigate Clinton for mishandling restricted government documents, coincidentally the exact same offense as Trump is apparently suspected of, and which they duly did.
Which difference would you like to get into, the one where the FBI never actually investigated Clinton, despite literal bleach and hammers being used on hard drives, or the one where Trump in his capacity as former President can argue that his handling of said documents falls under his purview?
If asking for a little bit of consistency out of people is coocoo, as opposed to naked tribalistic DERRR DRUMPF impulses in which the full power of the State is unleashed on a political enemy under the flimsiest of pretexts (or if having a natural distrust towards this apparatus, as if this isn't the same FBI that didn't manufacture FISA warrants that they knew were based on lies against Trump campaign) then yes, I guess I'm freaking crazy.
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2022, 08:09:19 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220810/fd09011d9dd238d44d4a32966987bf1a.jpg)
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2022, 08:44:38 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220810/8c50e972707cbc717612ede43d9167fc.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2022, 08:55:41 AM
Post by: Gorilla on August 10, 2022, 09:33:40 AM
Law and Order! Back the Blue! Punisher Flag!
Ironically, the Punisher character would be all for "defund the police" and "defund the FBI".
Of course, irony, hypocrisy, and self-awareness are tricky concepts to these folks.
Unless you're gargling Trump's rancid cum in cynical, self-serving obedience, you're a RiNooo or a Radical Leftist!!!
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2022, 10:24:09 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 10, 2022, 10:56:21 AM
Post by: Johnny English on August 10, 2022, 11:05:15 AM
(https://c.tenor.com/1jilfRpIuO4AAAAM/marshawn-lynch-interview.gif)
Post by: Gorilla on August 10, 2022, 11:28:06 AM
https://twitter.com/BrentTerhune/status/1557071332545789954?t=9kAnk8Wps7IWGoiq8rFCEA&s=19 (https://twitter.com/BrentTerhune/status/1557071332545789954?t=9kAnk8Wps7IWGoiq8rFCEA&s=19)
lolol
"Don Jr probably flushin' powder down the toilet like he's Karen from Goodfellas..."
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2022, 12:30:37 PM
Quote
In the absence of more detailed information about the investigation, it’s unclear what potential crimes DOJ is probing. Notably, Trump — after a fierce campaign against Clinton in which he called for her to be jailed for her handling of classified material — signed a law in 2018 that stiffened the penalty for the unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents from one year to five years, turning it into a felony offense.
lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 11, 2022, 12:05:57 PM
muh raid
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2022, 02:23:21 PM
https://www.rawstory.com/crown-jewels-ny-ag-may-seek-corporate-death-penalty-for-trump-tower-and-all-his-golf-courses/
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 11, 2022, 07:06:26 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 11, 2022, 07:43:57 PM
Jared got $2b from the Saudis.
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2022, 11:38:29 AM
The FBI RAIDED my father's home. We need YOUR HELP to Save America. Donate: bit.ly/3p9Zfq1
Stop2End
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2022, 11:48:00 AM
Big MTG energy
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 12, 2022, 02:17:25 PM
Something about walls.
Post by: delavan on August 12, 2022, 03:06:48 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Efrem_Zimbalist_Jr._Lewis_Erskine_displays_FBI_credentials_1969.JPG/174px-Efrem_Zimbalist_Jr._Lewis_Erskine_displays_FBI_credentials_1969.JPG)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Calvinkleinobsession1.jpg/176px-Calvinkleinobsession1.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Shh%2C_this_is_a_library_%284572440022%29.jpg/240px-Shh%2C_this_is_a_library_%284572440022%29.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_5.jpg/162px-Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_5.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Advertisement_for_rolling_paper_company_JOB.jpg/180px-Advertisement_for_rolling_paper_company_JOB.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/SandyBerger.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on August 17, 2022, 02:17:28 PM
Alina Habba:
(https://i.imgur.com/6VmVLQV.png)
Christina Bobb:
(https://i.imgur.com/138yHN8.png)
Lindsey Halligan:
(https://i.imgur.com/08rSyTC.png)
If scurrilous media reports are to be believed he's struggling to find any big hitters willing to get involved in his current legal troubles, so I guess hiring Charlie's Angels is the next best thing.
Post by: delavan on August 17, 2022, 03:34:08 PM
corpus delectamentum
Post by: Badger on August 23, 2022, 07:34:47 PM
https://twitter.com/TheSocrateej/status/1561452528293662720?t=3oI2pvp4vTwb27cuschhww&s=19
Post by: delavan on August 24, 2022, 09:29:52 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2022, 11:51:20 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 26, 2022, 12:10:15 PM
Yeah dis bad.
Post by: delavan on August 26, 2022, 01:07:57 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 03, 2022, 12:14:36 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 03, 2022, 07:02:18 AM
I'm still having trouble wrapping my brain around his dumb derriere keeping the empty folders.
Obviously the FBI planted them because the justice system has been weaponized against him.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 03, 2022, 09:54:37 PM
Post by: Badger on September 04, 2022, 06:13:26 PM
https://v.redd.it/4e498xfzxvl91
Post by: delavan on September 06, 2022, 04:29:08 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 08, 2022, 02:56:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 08, 2022, 02:58:23 PM
Lmaooooo
Post by: delavan on September 12, 2022, 08:26:50 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 12, 2022, 08:43:12 PM
Quote
Gish, who identified herself on the messages as “Evelyn Salt,” said that she was “in charge of nuclear for the United States Government”
What the freak did you just freaking say about me, you little bitch?
Post by: Badger on September 13, 2022, 10:38:28 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/12/politics/aileen-cannon-threat-arrestBlueAnon
Post by: Johnny English on September 19, 2022, 08:24:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5CrJ22R.png)
Post by: Badger on September 21, 2022, 01:20:59 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2022, 09:14:20 AM
Quote
"But as I understand, that doesn't have to be. If you're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying: 'It's declassified.' Even by thinking about it. Because you're sending it to Mar-a-Lago, or to wherever you're sending it," Trump said.
He went on to claim that he understood that "there can be a process" to declassify documents but that it didn't necessarily apply to him because he was president then.
"You're the president, you make that decision. So when you send it, it's declassified. I declassified everything," Trump claimed, adding that he believed the National Archives and Records Administration was run by a "radical left group."
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-claims-he-could-declassify-documents-thinking-about-doing-it-2022-9
I feel like this is a slightly dangerous line of defense to use, given the logical corollary is that the sitting President must therefore be able to classify documents equally as easily and with an equal lack of documented process. And given there's documented evidence of the Government repeatedly asking for said documents back, it stands to reason that the current President must have exercised that power in the same way that Trump claimed to when he was the President, and as a citizen he must have known at that point that the documents were once again classified.
Post by: Badger on September 22, 2022, 12:40:51 PM
Quote
he believed the National Archives and Records Administration was run by a "radical left group."
Post by: Johnny English on September 22, 2022, 12:54:56 PM
Sorry I'm just amused by this:
Anyone who doesn't think that Trump is God's own personal emissary on Earth is a radical leftie though.
Post by: Johnny English on September 27, 2022, 08:36:20 PM
Post by: Badger on September 27, 2022, 10:53:47 PM
Post by: delavan on September 28, 2022, 04:59:13 PM
https://www.nj.com/sports/2022/09/jets-robert-saleh-confirms-surreal-call-from-donald-trump-after-week-2-stunner-vs-browns.html
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 28, 2022, 08:15:57 PM
Keep our country gayperper
Butt plugs all around!
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2022, 10:15:47 AM
https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1577355341309874176?t=i-ls2A-_IMBSG9b78m13WQ&s=19
Post by: mj2sexay on October 05, 2022, 02:44:24 PM
Maybe they should reinstate his Twitter.
https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1577355341309874176?t=i-ls2A-_IMBSG9b78m13WQ&s=19
That is freaking hilarious
Post by: Gorilla on October 05, 2022, 03:06:33 PM
That is freaking hilarious
Agreed, and probably pretty accurate.
Trump was clearly an advocate and champion of the mentally retarded, judging by his cabinet.
Post by: delavan on October 05, 2022, 04:16:57 PM
Agreed, and probably pretty accurate.Adjectivally Sessions is a wee retard.
Trump was clearly an advocate and
champion of the mentally retarded, judging by his cabinet.
Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III - Wikipedia
Born: December 24, 1946 (age 75 years), Selma, AL
Height: 5′ 5″
Full name: Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 07, 2022, 10:15:19 PM
Blueanon needs a hobby
Post by: delavan on October 08, 2022, 08:15:23 AM
https://twitter.com/johnara10972801/status/1578544024356388864?s=46&t=Mj02dJ4DdZ6brn_Ej_7xHQand a clinical psychologist
Blueanon needs a hobby
https://twitter.com/JoJoFromJerz/status/1578534138327420928
https://twitter.com/JoJoFromJerz
Post by: delavan on October 13, 2022, 01:27:44 PM
NYT:
Jan. 6 Panel Reschedules Final Hearing as Key Questions Remain Unresolved
The committee, whose work has mostly faded from view since it wrapped up a summertime series of hearings in July, is toiling to conclude its investigation and recapture public attention
ya think?
Post by: Johnny English on October 14, 2022, 12:04:18 PM
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1580718555540119553
Post by: Johnny English on October 14, 2022, 01:58:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DashDobrofsky/status/1580944784528506881
Post by: Gorilla on October 14, 2022, 02:16:28 PM
LOL
https://twitter.com/DashDobrofsky/status/1580944784528506881
Lolol
Thoughts and prayers to any Trumpist's cognitive dissonance overload. The rest of us (thankfully the majority of the country I live in) have known all along that Stone and Kushner and Trump are gargantuan bags of human excrement.
Post by: Badger on October 16, 2022, 09:59:57 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221016/4c914f86115726f2e9029fdf97739038.jpg)
Post by: delavan on October 21, 2022, 10:17:28 AM
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/live-updates/bannon-sentencing/?id=91829891
Post by: delavan on October 23, 2022, 10:46:06 PM
my money’s on him eventually going to the pokey
Post by: Johnny English on November 10, 2022, 12:54:37 PM
I really hope they don't deter him from running. Watching him and the party go head to head for the next year is going to be amazing.
Post by: Johnny English on November 10, 2022, 05:49:52 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 10, 2022, 06:19:49 PM
You're gonna have crazy Trumpers who will rage against anyone but Trump. And the never Trumpers, which is a growing faction especially after the midterms, will never support him.
All this meanwhile we've seen huge sloths of people coming out to vote because of abortion law.
Next two years should bode very poorly for the right
Post by: delavan on November 10, 2022, 06:30:56 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-desantis-midterms-rupert-murdoch-b2222727.htmlHe's dreaming....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3fQjHugtGrGhHs5y/giphy.gif)(https://media.giphy.com/media/1TSUKOv4k56aIryKAP/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
Post by: reuben on November 10, 2022, 09:39:51 PM
huge sloths of people
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 10, 2022, 09:51:05 PM
Defund the FBI because Trump is doing a better job at uncovering election fraud than any of their investigators.
Post by: mj2sexay on November 11, 2022, 08:38:28 AM
This is pathetic on his part. DeSanctimonious? Really? That's the best he could come up with?
Far, far cry from Little Marco, Lyin (since changed to Lion) Ted and of course his greatest hit, Crooked Hillary.
Post by: Gorilla on November 11, 2022, 09:18:24 AM
huge sloths of people
lol, it's parody and/or caricature at this point.
Post by: Johnny English on November 11, 2022, 09:26:02 AM
his greatest hit, Crooked Hillary.
Come on, that was terrible. There were much smarter and more elegant ones if he had the imagination, personally I'd have gone with Shillary. Might have been a bit too difficult for some of his more simple minded supporters though.
Post by: guinness77 on November 11, 2022, 09:37:39 AM
Post by: delavan on November 11, 2022, 09:40:13 AM
lol, it's parody and/or caricature at this point.And self-parody at that. Seems Chubsy-ubsy’s coming apart at the seams
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1590370778188763137
Post by: Johnny English on November 11, 2022, 01:40:17 PM
Post by: delavan on November 11, 2022, 03:45:46 PM
https://newrepublic.com/article/168749/ron-desantis-trumps-heir-2024Interesting that the headline was declarative while the article closed on an interrogatory note. In any event, lots between now and '24
Post by: Badger on November 11, 2022, 04:37:33 PM
This is pathetic on his part.
The perfect face of American conservatism.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 11, 2022, 04:52:08 PM
Interesting that the headline was declarative while the article closed on an interrogatory note. In any event, lots between now and '24
https://www.theonion.com/report-we-don-t-make-any-money-if-you-don-t-click-the-1823460398 (https://www.theonion.com/report-we-don-t-make-any-money-if-you-don-t-click-the-1823460398)
Post by: delavan on November 12, 2022, 01:12:37 PM
https://www.theonion.com/report-we-don-t-make-any-money-if-you-don-t-click-the-1823460398 (https://www.theonion.com/report-we-don-t-make-any-money-if-you-don-t-click-the-1823460398)^ True, but since JE posted the link I figured it was good money. Once opened the line “Republicans have jabbered about for years” in the very first paragraph kinda indicated that it was going to be a GOP hatchet job.
Post by: delavan on November 13, 2022, 01:10:42 PM
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/11/tiffany-trump-wedding/
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2022, 01:18:29 PM
Post by: Johnny English on November 13, 2022, 04:03:44 PM
~ Best Wishes from your good friends at Mother Jones ~
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/11/tiffany-trump-wedding/
Looks like she lost a bunch of weight. Good for her.
Post by: Johnny English on November 15, 2022, 01:42:40 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trolls-desantis-shares-old-video-florida-gov-supporting-him-2022-11
Post by: delavan on November 15, 2022, 02:09:42 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Popcorn_bag_popped.jpg/320px-Popcorn_bag_popped.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Popcorn_bag_popped.jpg/320px-Popcorn_bag_popped.jpg)
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 15, 2022, 02:57:51 PM
LOL I hate that he's funny now.
Post by: Johnny English on November 15, 2022, 04:17:30 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gaetz-trump-2024-announcement-snub-b2225869.html
And Jared and Ivanka have already made it clear they're not interested in being involved any more despite Daddy begging them. (Who am I kidding? Ivanka said no. That dweeb does what he's told.)
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 15, 2022, 05:36:35 PM
Just totally nirmal things happening.
Post by: dcm1602 on November 15, 2022, 07:49:00 PM
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2022, 08:45:43 PM
Post by: delavan on November 15, 2022, 09:19:03 PM
Trumps the best thing to ever happen to the left
MSNBC ---> https://imgur.com/gallery/yK7l2Mb
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2022, 09:25:19 PM
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1592712764992036864?s=19
Post by: Johnny English on November 15, 2022, 09:32:59 PM
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1592717086605852674
Post by: IATA on November 15, 2022, 09:35:06 PM
"we're going to be asking everyone who sells drugs, gets caught selling drugs, to receive the death penalty for their heinous acts."
"im a victim. i will tell you. im a victim"
"we completed the wall"
"i call him king" re: xi
"we call it the china virus, some people call it other things"
"the environment which they say may affect us"
what a speech. who could possibly not want this wordsmith leading the country again?
Post by: bojanglesman on November 16, 2022, 07:26:04 AM
Post by: Johnny English on November 16, 2022, 09:37:23 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/11/no/
Post by: Johnny English on December 05, 2022, 10:55:13 AM
Post by: Badger on December 05, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Even by Trump's standards "look at Hunter's junk" is a weird campaign position.It's about ethics in journalism! /s
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 06, 2022, 08:21:51 AM
I WON DA REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Post by: Badger on December 06, 2022, 08:23:48 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 06, 2022, 03:18:29 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 06, 2022, 03:26:58 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/RTwjCQ8/FFE48892-55-EC-418-C-8947-4-F1525-F46-ACC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yFj48g2)
I WON DA REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Is that truth social or parlor or one of those stupid apps?
It looks like a blatant Twitter ripoff
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2022, 04:57:55 PM
Post by: delavan on December 07, 2022, 05:07:19 PM
Even by Trump's standards "look at Hunter's junk" is a weird campaign position.not really
It's about ethics in journalism! /snot really
Post by: Badger on December 07, 2022, 05:16:27 PM
not reallyIt's about the right getting their own version of what liberals had with their Russian interference conspiracies.
not really
Post by: Badger on December 09, 2022, 11:52:23 AM
https://twitter.com/amyspitalnick/status/1601252959802703872?s=19
Post by: mj2sexay on December 09, 2022, 01:44:44 PM
Ungrateful juice
https://twitter.com/amyspitalnick/status/1601252959802703872?s=19
I mean, his record does speak for itself re: Israel.
The charge that he's anti-semitic makes no sense, his grandkids are Jewish.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 09, 2022, 02:20:47 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 09, 2022, 02:45:53 PM
Yeah that’s definitely stopped people.
He's the most pro-Israel President we've ever had lmao.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 15, 2022, 10:57:29 AM
Lol.
MJ covered for Christmas gifts.
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2022, 08:17:01 PM
https://www.the-sun.com/news/6918883/donald-trump-nft-trading-cards-announcement/
Lol.
MJ covered for Christmas gifts.
Man Of Steal
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2022, 10:28:45 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 16, 2022, 08:29:12 AM
Like freak, even as his dumbest, certain types can't help it with the nonsensical hyperbole.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 16, 2022, 08:41:41 AM
Sold out. Lol.
Post by: MBGreen on December 16, 2022, 08:50:17 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 16, 2022, 08:50:58 AM
Post by: delavan on December 16, 2022, 11:05:40 AM
FaIlEd PuTsChIsT.I wondered who would use the label 'failed putschist' and was tickled pink to learn it came courtesy of a self-described 'conflict journalist'. What the fick is with people nowadays with their self-important goofball nameplate 'titles'
Like freak, even as his dumbest, certain types can't help it with the nonsensical hyperbole.
Oz Katerji
@OzKaterji
British-Lebanese freelance conflict journalist & filmmaker. Interested in human rights. RTs ≠ endorsement. Find me on Mastodon: https://journa.host/@OzKaterji
edit: at this stage of the game who the freak even cares about yesterday's poopchute...
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2022, 08:55:33 AM
I’m not sure which would have been worse
Post by: Badger on December 24, 2022, 05:30:38 PM
Post by: reuben on December 24, 2022, 07:30:29 PM
I guarantee there's a percentage of his base that believes it.
Post by: delavan on December 30, 2022, 08:25:31 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2022, 08:08:49 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-2024-third-party-b2253265.html
Post by: Johnny English on January 01, 2023, 05:55:52 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 05, 2023, 02:47:18 PM
A+ rant
This guy was one of the main driving forces behind “Stop The Steal” and Jan 6 so maybe he has something but he’s always been pretty out there
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2023, 02:56:00 PM
https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1611025349030318082?s=46&t=0cuI-YhgdBDgrCqZp7tq5w
A+ rant
This guy was one of the main driving forces behind “Stop The Steal” and Jan 6 so maybe he has something but he’s always been pretty out there
He's also saying that the House Ethics Committee and House Rules Committee will have to decide whether to allow her to remain in Congress. Three problems there: 1, neither exists currently because of the charade that's happening right now; 2, there seems to be a strong suggestion that the former at least will be scrapped if they do ever elect a Speaker because Ethics are an inconvenience that Republicans don't like very much; and 3, even if both exist they're going to be staffed and run by a bunch of her allies and drinking buddies who aren't going to oust such a convenient lightning rod.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 05, 2023, 03:00:56 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 05, 2023, 03:04:16 PM
He's also saying that the House Ethics Committee and House Rules Committee will have to decide whether to allow her to remain in Congress. Three problems there: 1, neither exists currently because of the charade that's happening right now; 2, there seems to be a strong suggestion that the former at least will be scrapped if they do ever elect a Speaker because Ethics are an inconvenience that Republicans don't like very much; and 3, even if both exist they're going to be staffed and run by a bunch of her allies and drinking buddies who aren't going to oust such a convenient lightning rod.
My reading of that was that it was something that the GA government would be taking action on but then again I really can't bring myself to pay any real attention to what he is saying.
Post by: reuben on January 05, 2023, 04:05:17 PM
https://twitter.com/rightwingwatch/status/1611025349030318082?s=46&t=0cuI-YhgdBDgrCqZp7tq5w
A+ rant
This guy was one of the main driving forces behind “Stop The Steal” and Jan 6 so maybe he has something but he’s always been pretty out there
whOORe
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 06, 2023, 11:30:08 AM
Never seen this
Feels like parody
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 06, 2023, 07:42:29 PM
More parody
Post by: Badger on January 31, 2023, 06:30:39 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 03, 2023, 02:52:17 PM
Based
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 08, 2023, 10:46:39 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 08, 2023, 11:23:14 AM
https://twitter.com/dylanburns1776/status/1623325277035147265?s=46&t=-Q7MxjvJDYuCynZztpN4OQ
As I said earlier, it'll be funny until it's not.
Post by: delavan on February 16, 2023, 10:57:04 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/16/us/trump-georgia-investigation.amp.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/16/trump-investigation-georgia-grand-jury-fulton-county/
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/feb/16/trump-georgia-grand-jury-report-election-2020-live
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 23, 2023, 12:39:13 PM
Post by: reuben on March 13, 2023, 07:39:35 PM
I wanted to hear the sound bite so I typed it in and google did a double take.
(https://i.imgur.com/POvkq1B.png)
Even the algorithm is taking shots.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 13, 2023, 09:14:45 PM
Post by: reuben on March 13, 2023, 09:33:00 PM
https://twitter.com/citizenfreepres/status/1635435393071067142?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
In the comments:
Quote
Zachsquatch
@Zachsquatch86
Replying to
@CitizenFreePres
He’s too old and progressive. Unfortunately after 2020 he can’t be trusted.
HE'S BASICALLY SOCIALIST
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 14, 2023, 04:09:37 PM
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2023, 08:57:11 AM
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-expects-be-arrested-tuesday-manhattan-da-case-truth-social-2023-03-18/
Post by: delavan on March 19, 2023, 11:20:24 AM
I'll be taking to the streetshttps://youtu.be/h8KDknyNzsw
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-expects-be-arrested-tuesday-manhattan-da-case-truth-social-2023-03-18/
A guy pays hush money to a porn actress for an indiscretion a full decade before running for public office and 17 years later the Manhattan DA supposedly feels compelled to prosecute him because of what exactly?…...democracy was at stake??… ; )
At the time of the 2006 dirty deed the current Manhattan DA was working in the office of one Elliot “Client 9” Spitzer…lol…guess what goes around cums around…
https://youtu.be/h8KDknyNzsw
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/full-disclosure_stormy-daniels/19683140/item/30944759/
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2023, 11:28:10 AM
Though I don't expect this to be consequential.
Post by: delavan on March 19, 2023, 02:54:51 PM
And Al Capone was nabbed for tax evasion. Such is life.So was Derek Chauvin (see ‘cops’ thread); both killed people while Trump merely tried to kill an affair. And Alvin Bragg’s a hack while Elliot Ness was whack.
Though I don't expect this to be consequential.
Whether consequential or not, on its face alone it’s embarrassingly obvious as is Alvin Bragg.
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2023, 03:10:00 PM
So was Derek Chauvin (see ‘cops’ thread); both killed people while Trump merely tried to kill an affair. And Alvin Bragg’s a hack while Elliot Ness was whack.Every president has killed people.
Whether consequential or not, on its face alone it’s embarrassingly obvious as is Alvin Bragg.
Post by: MBGreen on March 19, 2023, 03:15:09 PM
Every president has killed people.Not Grover Cleveland...say it ain't so.
Post by: delavan on March 20, 2023, 07:06:03 AM
Every president has killed people.George Washington killed people before he was president and that was during the French and Indian War. During the Revolutionary War he was more of a poseur.
“Looking good George!”
”Feeling good Reggie!”
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Washington_Crossing_the_Delaware_by_Emanuel_Leutze%2C_MMA-NYC%2C_1851.jpg/320px-Washington_Crossing_the_Delaware_by_Emanuel_Leutze%2C_MMA-NYC%2C_1851.jpg)
Not Grover Cleveland...say it ain't so.Correct Canuck, Grover was Sheriff of Buffalo when he whacked two guys convicted of murder.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2023, 11:56:58 AM
My body is ready
Post by: Heismanberg on March 20, 2023, 12:30:36 PM
https://twitter.com/chudsoftiktok/status/1637829803154763779?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
My body is ready
Yeah, but do you have enough batteries?
Post by: Badger on March 26, 2023, 03:55:11 PM
https://twitter.com/MuskTillDawn/status/1639664688895262720?t=zJF3FWallshrI94TAvwEGA&s=19
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2023, 04:36:35 PM
Post by: reuben on March 30, 2023, 04:44:44 PM
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2023, 04:48:09 PM
Post by: Badger on March 30, 2023, 06:49:07 PM
Post by: reuben on March 30, 2023, 07:57:04 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 30, 2023, 11:20:33 PM
Good stuff
https://twitter.com/MuskTillDawn/status/1639664688895262720?t=zJF3FWallshrI94TAvwEGA&s=19
I was formulating a fire joke and then the last 20 seconds happened. Truly the goat
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2023, 02:23:48 PM
Now you have this potential narrative that Trump lost the preliminary because the corrupt government set up him arrested him etc etc, and you could potentially roll the Trumpers into line to get behind another candidate
I'd think if you're a person who doesn't like Trump or Biden, this potentially could be the best of both worlds
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2023, 03:32:09 PM
I'd think if you're a person who doesn't like Trump or Biden, this potentially could be the best of both worlds
No because someone like DeSantis is worse than Trump.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2023, 03:41:08 PM
No because someone like DeSantis is worse than Trump.
I'd love to see poll data on this sorted by politicial ideology
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2023, 05:48:29 PM
I'd love to see poll data on this sorted by politicial ideology
People who think DeSantis is worse than Trump:
- Liberals
- Trump fans
- Socialists
Not sure that leaves enough to get DeSantis the Presidency unless the Trumpanzees hold their nose and vote for him, or liberals stay home in fairly big numbers. Both of those things are possible but it doesn't seem like a cakewalk for DeSantis currently.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2023, 06:04:35 PM
People who think DeSantis is worse than Trump:
- Liberals
- Trump fans
- Socialists
Not sure that leaves enough to get DeSantis the Presidency unless the Trumpanzees hold their nose and vote for him, or liberals stay home in fairly big numbers. Both of those things are possible but it doesn't seem like a cakewalk for DeSantis currently.
Well again this Trump getting indicted thing could be substantial in that regards.
If the narrative becomes that Joe Biden and the Libs derailed Trumps presidency because they're corrupt blah blah blah.
That could very much rally Trumpers behind an alternative candidate
Post by: Badger on April 02, 2023, 06:19:07 PM
People who think DeSantis is worse than Trump:
- Liberals
I'm not sure this is the case yet.
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2023, 09:32:07 PM
I'm not sure this is the case yet.
I am. Trump is a punchline, DeSantis is doing legit awful things. Also getting his derriere kicked by the mouse, which is funny.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 02, 2023, 09:58:33 PM
I am. Trump is a punchline, DeSantis is doing legit awful things. Also getting his derriere kicked by the mouse, which is funny.
I can understand the contempt for the things DeSantis has done from a legal perspective
But what about the things Trump has done from a human perspective?
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2023, 10:11:19 PM
I can understand the contempt for the things DeSantis has done from a legal perspective
But what about the things Trump has done from a human perspective?
Yes. Trump is a despicable individual. DeSantis is also a despicable individual. One of them might actually be capable of turning government mechanisms to his particularly nasty ends, although recent events give me hope.
Post by: Johnny English on April 05, 2023, 08:35:41 PM
Post by: delavan on April 05, 2023, 08:50:06 PM
Quote from: Johnny English
https://twitter.com/dr_yusefsalaam/status/1643404852410609665?s=20
Poor guy. Oh well at least justice was eventually served .... as DiBlasio and co. ultimately and summarily concluded (insisted) it was just a 'one-on-one' incident. Interesting last two quotes in the story..v
https://abcnews.go.com/US/case-settled-1989-central-park-jogger-believes-person/story?id=63077131
Post by: Coach K on April 06, 2023, 09:41:35 AM
Well again this Trump getting indicted thing could be substantial in that regards.This has galvanized his base . A politically motivated attack where they finally decide to hold one guy accountable as opposed to tons of war crimes and corruption everywhere. Definition of stones in a glass hohse. only makes Trump 4chan trolls sound logical.
If the narrative becomes that Joe Biden and the Libs derailed Trumps presidency because they're corrupt blah blah blah.
That could very much rally Trumpers behind an alternative candidate
And I'm a absolute centrist who's given up hope for the system as a whole.
If you're a dem or liberal or leftist (since the system is so bullshit these are all arguably different) your hope , and I think its true . You get a fragmented voter base that'll basically just vote anti blue
It's how we got Biden. Nobody I know who voted for him actually voted for him. They voted for not Trump .
Ironically the Dems don't have a decent candidate either . Lol
South Park wins again.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 18, 2023, 06:53:41 AM
Conservatives finally found a groomer
Post by: Coach K on April 18, 2023, 10:42:01 AM
https://twitter.com/briankarem/status/1648069266892025866?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgRofl one of my friends is a die hard Trump supporter and he said one of his buddies (of age ) got bombarded by that guy in his dms.
Conservatives finally found a groomer
I just replied
MAGA
Making Assholes Gay Again
Post by: Coach K on April 18, 2023, 11:32:13 AM
He looks like Chuck berry when he heard yoko sing
Post by: Badger on April 19, 2023, 06:38:29 PM
https://twitter.com/bakedalaska/status/1648366934478532612?t=SaHI0ns1ue7H1rDnjXRfPg&s=19
Post by: Coach K on April 19, 2023, 06:52:27 PM
ComedyLolololol
https://twitter.com/bakedalaska/status/1648366934478532612?t=SaHI0ns1ue7H1rDnjXRfPg&s=19
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 24, 2023, 10:49:05 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 24, 2023, 11:01:17 AM
So Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News, likely part of the settlement between the network and Dominion Voting. Didn't think they would ever actually agree to terminate his contract.
Promoting an insurrection, calling for the armed invasion of a neighbour, and generally fomenting hate is fine. But cost the corporation a few hundred million dollars and you're deep in the excrement.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 24, 2023, 11:35:35 AM
Post by: reuben on April 24, 2023, 12:27:18 PM
So Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News, likely part of the settlement between the network and Dominion Voting. Didn't think they would ever actually agree to terminate his contract.
Oh that's a freaking win man. Good Monday.
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 01:27:29 PM
So Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News, likely part of the settlement between the network and Dominion Voting. Didn't think they would ever actually agree to terminate his contract.
The Iron Sheik
@the_ironsheik
·
2h
TUCKER CARLSON GO freak YOURSELF
Post by: mj2sexay on April 24, 2023, 01:41:32 PM
Promoting an insurrection, calling for the armed invasion of a neighbour, and generally fomenting hate is fine. But cost the corporation a few hundred million dollars and you're deep in the excrement.
Lmao good thing hes free and clear of doing 66 percent of those things (he did call for an armed invasion, even if it was in jest).
Bad day for tv infotainment, Tucker was hilarious.
Post by: delavan on April 24, 2023, 01:47:08 PM
But Don Limón’s gone!
Post by: MBGreen on April 24, 2023, 02:17:35 PM
Carlson’s a queynte so who cares.
But Don Limón’s gone!
The Iron Sheik
@the_ironsheik
·
2h
DON LEMON GO freak YOURSELF
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 24, 2023, 06:57:13 PM
The Iron Sheik
@the_ironsheik
·
2h
DON LEMON GO freak YOURSELF
One of the most consistent Twitter accounts.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 25, 2023, 09:27:40 PM
https://twitter.com/richard_normal/status/1650964798115389442?s=46&t=hhOsJMWQHTJcnvtEnFU5rQ (https://twitter.com/richard_normal/status/1650964798115389442?s=46&t=hhOsJMWQHTJcnvtEnFU5rQ)
Post by: Johnny English on April 25, 2023, 10:46:32 PM
Didn't see this coming:
https://twitter.com/richard_normal/status/1650964798115389442?s=46&t=hhOsJMWQHTJcnvtEnFU5rQ (https://twitter.com/richard_normal/status/1650964798115389442?s=46&t=hhOsJMWQHTJcnvtEnFU5rQ)
It's just infotainment bro
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 05, 2023, 11:21:56 PM
Post by: reuben on May 09, 2023, 04:28:31 PM
The wins keep coming
Post by: delavan on May 10, 2023, 05:54:40 PM
This is flat out screwy:
https://hiphopdx.com/news/young-thug-co-defendant-schizophrenic-ysl-rico-case
https://makeamericaslimeagain.link/collections/all
.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 11, 2023, 03:26:13 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/7vHsHRL/C5-EE212-E-5703-45-DB-843-C-FCEA59728-CD7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G7XzXtN)
Post by: mj2sexay on May 11, 2023, 04:00:37 PM
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1656665773581168642?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
(https://i.ibb.co/7vHsHRL/C5-EE212-E-5703-45-DB-843-C-FCEA59728-CD7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G7XzXtN)
Cringe.
So is the first comment right under it. Who here is "Luke Zaleski"?!?!
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 12, 2023, 07:37:03 AM
Post by: delavan on May 12, 2023, 09:07:03 AM
“How clear was his thinking? How sturdy his tether to reality? How appropriate his demeanor?
On a scale of 1 to Marjorie Taylor Greene, I’d give him an 11.”
lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 16, 2023, 06:54:55 AM
Post by: Johnny English on May 16, 2023, 07:23:22 AM
Post by: delavan on May 16, 2023, 02:16:52 PM
Quote
The report also states the FBI used different standards when weighing concerns about alleged election interference regarding Hillary Clinton.
It's pretty disheartening to have law enforcement and intelligence agencies arbitrarily employing disparate standards and engaging in activities for the purpose of potentially swaying an election intentionally or not. This crap is what gives unnecessary credence to tin-foil conspiracy loons yet at the same time that it's ignored in favor of Rudy's ED meds and payment for pardons (hello Marc Rich) as 'story-of-the-day' worthy reads and reeks of hyper-partisan cherrypicking imho...
* This while getting the JO de rigueur "trump sucks!" tenet on record * ; )
Post by: reuben on June 08, 2023, 08:06:53 PM
Eat a dick, Orangeman.
Post by: reuben on June 09, 2023, 01:29:17 PM
Rats and ships and such
Post by: Badger on June 12, 2023, 05:09:38 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230612/d84274bcaf391a9dfdb490eac4315098.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2023, 06:59:23 AM
Quote
Trump has also seemingly been unable to find a specialist national security lawyer, eligible to possess a security clearance, to help him navigate the Espionage Act charges.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/13/trump-finds-no-new-lawyers-mar-a-lago-documents-arraignment
Post by: delavan on June 13, 2023, 08:19:57 AM
Post by: Badger on June 13, 2023, 08:46:58 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1668788744298680325?t=qJ90I3yzYc5lH-i0iMBdRw&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on June 13, 2023, 09:14:11 PM
1-44: 0
45: 71
46: 0
Post by: delavan on June 14, 2023, 05:14:00 AM
Post by: Badger on June 27, 2023, 09:16:11 PM
Found Cato's sleep paralysis demon.
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 27, 2023, 11:02:41 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-moaning-sound-dinner-b2364553.html
Found Cato's sleep paralysis demon.
That spot is already occupied by a carrot that looks like it has two legs and a penis.
I realize the orange motif isn't doing much to make the distinction clearer.
Post by: delavan on June 28, 2023, 01:14:26 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 18, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
Post by: Johnny English on July 20, 2023, 10:35:31 AM
Post by: delavan on July 25, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
If our choice for president in 2024 is trump versus biden we as a Country deserve what we get.
.
Post by: MBGreen on July 30, 2023, 10:14:49 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 30, 2023, 10:21:28 AM
https://twitter.com/sirDukeDevin/status/1685403980736626688?s=20
I get it!
Post by: MBGreen on July 30, 2023, 10:30:26 AM
I get it!
you're a savant in the abstract world.
Post by: mj2sexay on July 30, 2023, 10:58:43 AM
https://twitter.com/sirDukeDevin/status/1685403980736626688?s=20
lmao talk about appealing to just the lowest common denominator.
Post by: MBGreen on July 30, 2023, 11:07:34 AM
lmao talk about appealing to just the lowest common denominator.
i wonder if that's what they'll call Trump in the prison yard.
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 30, 2023, 11:45:39 AM
lmao talk about appealing to just the lowest common denominator.
I’m going to open you like a beach umbrella.
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 01, 2023, 04:45:05 PM
Indicted for the lead-up to JAN 6.
Post by: Johnny English on August 14, 2023, 10:41:03 PM
Donald Trump
Rudy Giuliani, Trump lawyer
Mark Meadows, White House chief of staff
John Eastman, Trump lawyer
Kenneth Chesebro, pro-Trump lawyer
Jeffrey Clark, top Justice Department official
Jenna Ellis, Trump campaign lawyer
Robert Cheeley, lawyer who promoted fraud > claims
Mike Roman, Trump campaign official
David Shafer, Georgia GOP chair and fake elector
Shawn Still, fake GOP elector
Stephen Lee, pastor tied to intimidation of election workers
Harrison Floyd, leader of Black Voices for Trump
Trevian Kutti, publicist tied to intimidation of election workers
Sidney Powell, Trump campaign lawyer
Cathy Latham, fake GOP elector tied to Coffee County breach
Scott Hall, tied to Coffee County election system breach
Misty Hampton, Coffee County elections supervisor
Ray Smith
Another 30 unnamed co-conspirators referenced but not indicted, presumably because they've given evidence against the 19. Fun times.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 14, 2023, 11:32:42 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/65/43/51/6543515121323327d012e445714652ee.gif)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 15, 2023, 08:12:43 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 15, 2023, 08:13:47 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 15, 2023, 08:25:43 AM
Libs have gotta be up 100-0 at this point
Post by: delavan on August 15, 2023, 10:44:07 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/TRUMP_DEATH_CLOCK_2_051920.jpg/640px-TRUMP_DEATH_CLOCK_2_051920.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 15, 2023, 02:17:51 PM
Based
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 15, 2023, 02:19:44 PM
Waitasekend
Post by: delavan on August 15, 2023, 06:37:45 PM
https://x.com/existentialfish/status/1691466978429382657?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Based
https://x.com/benshapiro/status/1691431356448845824?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkgBen Yin
Waitasekend
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Yin_yang.jpg)
Ben Yang
Post by: Badger on August 25, 2023, 08:24:37 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 06, 2023, 08:37:14 AM
The boys in prison will love this
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 06, 2023, 12:06:09 PM
https://x.com/huffpostpol/status/1699179376565244024?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
The boys in prison will love this
I'm assuming a lot of people inside know already.
Post by: Badger on September 06, 2023, 12:35:46 PM
https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1699465349446402145?t=gBQMN92vZuQr4UfMiroZdQ&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on September 06, 2023, 12:58:36 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 06, 2023, 01:18:42 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 06, 2023, 01:57:20 PM
Yeah that's a strategy for...something.
Don’t act like it wouldn’t work.
Post by: Badger on September 06, 2023, 02:08:40 PM
Post by: Johnny English on September 06, 2023, 02:38:53 PM
If I had to associate a particular American bloc with the UK's Markle haters I would probably go with Hillary supporters.
Why?
Post by: Badger on September 06, 2023, 02:52:51 PM
Why?A weird bitter group of people deeply defensive of the matriarch they've formed a parasocial relationship with. Plus they behave similarly online.
Post by: Johnny English on September 06, 2023, 03:23:42 PM
A weird bitter group of people deeply defensive of the matriarch they've formed a parasocial relationship with. Plus they behave similarly online.
Mmm. I see where you're coming from, but Markle-haters are a subset of UK Monarchists and their bible is generally the Daily Express, a tabloid that thrives on hard right politics and racism dressed up in a veneer of lace tablecloths and bake sales. Their issue with Markle is twofold - she's American, and a darkie, and both of those things are universally bad when it comes to Royal politics. I can see the behavioural comparison you're drawing but I think that Markle haters and Clinton acolytes would find very little common ground.
Post by: Badger on September 06, 2023, 03:31:06 PM
Mmm. I see where you're coming from, but Markle-haters are a subset of UK Monarchists and their bible is generally the Daily Express, a tabloid that thrives on hard right politics and racism dressed up in a veneer of lace tablecloths and bake sales. I can see the behavioural comparison you're drawing but I think that Markle haters and Clinton acolytes would find very little common ground.
In 2008, 1 in 4 Clinton primary supporters went on to vote for McCain in the general election after Obama got the Dem nomination.
She has specific fans that transcend political issues for whatever reason. Those are the people I'm referencing, not simply just everyone who ever voted for her. There's a not insignificant overlap with conservatives.
Post by: reuben on September 06, 2023, 07:07:06 PM
Post by: Badger on September 09, 2023, 09:46:02 PM
https://twitter.com/JackMacCFB/status/1700585094824571323?t=qhIp2AnEouQrOWu45wvxGQ&s=19
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2023, 06:55:05 AM
Post by: Badger on September 25, 2023, 07:31:33 PM
Let's gooooo
Post by: Badger on September 25, 2023, 10:52:27 PM
https://twitter.com/mannyfidel/status/1706409928913485906?t=1Id2eidKm8mfXNltZe1B-w&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on September 26, 2023, 10:03:24 AM
Post by: Badger on September 26, 2023, 10:37:42 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/09/trump-milley-execution-incitement-violence/675435/Should have told Milley to kill himself or to die in a fire.
Post by: Johnny English on September 26, 2023, 05:14:33 PM
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-finds-trump-liable-fraud-new-york-civil-case-2023-09-26/
Post by: Badger on October 03, 2023, 05:53:11 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 03, 2023, 02:28:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 05, 2023, 10:46:03 PM
He should consider selling more pillows
Quote
In April, an arbitration panel ordered Lindell to pay $5 million for losing his “Prove Mike Wrong” 2020 election challenge, in which participants were asked to find proof that his cyber data was not valid data from the November 2020 election, as he’d contended it was.
“For the people who find the evidence, 5 million is their reward,” the contest said.
Software developer Robert Zeidman won the challenge, but Lindell refused to pay. Lindell is now challenging the arbitration panel's ruling.
Lmao
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 23, 2023, 03:29:44 PM
Galaxy brain strategy
Post by: reuben on October 23, 2023, 08:57:23 PM
I'm not worried about AI becoming truly sentient because that lover of the older lady is going to immediately commit suicide. First picosecond. They've seen too much.
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2023, 08:10:35 PM
Post by: Coach K on November 29, 2023, 09:26:01 PM
Made me realize idiocracy is best case scenario at this point
Post by: mj2sexay on November 30, 2023, 10:44:28 AM
I dont know where it was but I saw some Trump Rally . It was a local politician speaking like Yoda and made endless star wars references to trump and biden and stayed in Yoda voice
Made me realize idiocracy is best case scenario at this point
I know right, what they should've done instead is constantly reference Handmaid's Tale and (before JK was excommunicated) Harry Potter.
Post by: Badger on December 09, 2023, 09:42:03 PM
I dont know where it was but I saw some Trump Rally . It was a local politician speaking like Yoda and made endless star wars references to trump and biden and stayed in Yoda voiceYou sure you weren't watching this?
Made me realize idiocracy is best case scenario at this point
https://youtu.be/5BBhNkywMJY
Post by: Johnny English on December 13, 2023, 11:09:36 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 14, 2023, 11:13:11 AM
1 on 1, play to 11 or a heart attack, whichever comes first.
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2023, 03:49:38 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2023, 03:51:32 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on December 15, 2023, 06:52:52 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 15, 2023, 09:08:05 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 15, 2023, 09:18:49 PM
Post by: Badger on December 17, 2023, 10:33:47 AM
https://newrepublic.com/post/177606/binder-highly-classified-russian-intel-went-missing-trumpMy position on US-Russia posturing remains that it's weird for an average civilian to care about this. Catnip for people who can unfortunately remember the cold war.
Post by: Johnny English on December 17, 2023, 11:40:53 AM
My position on US-Russia posturing remains that it's weird for an average civilian to care about this. Catnip for people who can unfortunately remember the cold war.
Did you read the story or is this just your Pavlovian reaction to anything that mentions Russia?
Post by: Badger on December 17, 2023, 02:57:16 PM
Did you read the story or is this just your Pavlovian reaction to anything that mentions Russia?You're right. Now that I read the article I know that Trump is surely done for. The walls are closing in!
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 17, 2023, 03:13:28 PM
"I don't see what this has to do with me," is generally how the US government has been able to get away with their bullshit.
Post by: Johnny English on December 17, 2023, 03:18:59 PM
You're right. Now that I read the article I know that Trump is surely done for. The walls are closing in!
It's less "Trump's done for" - the US has proven itself quite stupid enough for that to not be the case - and more that dismissing a story about US intelligence on Russian interference into US elections going missing is quite clearly neither "weird for an average civilian to care about this' nor "catnip for people who can unfortunately remember the cold war".
Post by: Badger on December 17, 2023, 04:18:47 PM
I generally feel like the average person should be much more invested and educated in the international policy aspect of the government than what Badger is willing to give them credit for.
"I don't see what this has to do with me," is generally how the US government has been able to get away with their bullshit.
The claim that Russia materially interfered with the 2016 election is specifically designed to let the ruling party get away with their bullshit.
Zero introspection, zero accountability - the bad guy country made us lose! Ignore all the horrible things we've done that cost us votes.
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 17, 2023, 04:20:10 PM
Where did I mention that?
The claim that Russia materially interfered with the 2016 election is specifically designed to let the ruling party get away with their bullshit.
Zero introspection, zero accountability - the bad guy country made us lose!
Post by: Johnny English on December 18, 2023, 03:58:44 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 21, 2023, 07:34:34 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/adam-kinzinger-trump-odor-b2468057.html
Post by: Johnny English on January 05, 2024, 03:52:29 PM
Quote
"They're trying so hard to look neutral that sometimes they make the wrong call.”
https://www.salon.com/2024/01/05/unprofessional-experts-blast-lawyer-for-saying-brett-kavanaugh-quid-pro-quo-part-out-loud/
So... is the Supreme Court not supposed to be neutral?
Post by: Johnny English on January 08, 2024, 11:34:40 AM
https://themessenger.com/politics/trump-mocked-after-claiming-magnets-dont-work-underwater-at-rally
Violent J / Shaggy 2 Dope 2024
Post by: reuben on January 20, 2024, 02:42:19 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 23, 2024, 02:51:38 PM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 23, 2024, 03:03:44 PM
This is remarkable:
https://www.salon.com/2024/01/05/unprofessional-experts-blast-lawyer-for-saying-brett-kavanaugh-quid-pro-quo-part-out-loud/
So... is the Supreme Court not supposed to be neutral?
This was a freaking stupid thing to say on so many levels.
I don't know Alinna at all. I know her law partner very well, and I can attest that he's one of the smartest, most diligent people I've ever met, he's always been that way. As much as he's not as easy on the eyes as she is, maybe they should let him do some of the talking.
https://x.com/alexmonahan100/status/1749681582372249810?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
freak the polls, this is the only prognostication that matters.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 24, 2024, 11:08:41 AM
My VP
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 24, 2024, 11:08:54 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 24, 2024, 12:41:23 PM
I mean, I'm from the South but this seems a bit ridiculous.
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2024, 08:51:45 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 04, 2024, 12:44:19 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 08, 2024, 07:59:12 PM
https://x.com/alexmonahan100/status/1749681582372249810?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
After tonight:
Trump -135
Biden +175
Post by: reuben on February 16, 2024, 04:01:27 PM
Roughly half a billion Trump owes now between this and E Jean.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 16, 2024, 05:16:05 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2024, 08:27:26 PM
Anyway that shits going to get appealed forever. I assume if he wins the election it all goes away, and if he doesn't the numbers are going to get dramatically reduced.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2024, 08:46:26 PM
Trumps an derriere and if the guy drops dead of a heart attack or something I'm not spilling any tears. But the legal witch hunt against him is one of the most corrupt insane misuse of government I've seen in the modern era
Anyway that shits going to get appealed forever. I assume if he wins the election it all goes away, and if he doesn't the numbers are going to get dramatically reduced.
Once you said witch hunt, your argument died.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2024, 08:50:59 PM
Once you said witch hunt, your argument died.
Some of it is clearly a witch hunt, some of it is an inappropriately exaggerated response.
The guy shouldn't be president, neither should the other guy. But we also shouldn't be setting a precedent of file every freaking lawsuit humanly possible to tie up political candidates in court, especially while they're actively running for president.
The most likely outcome of this will be what? Trump currently favored to win, assuming he does he corruptly uses that power to make as much of this excrement go away as possible. A new precedent is set for president's. Meanwhile another precedent is set for everyone to tie up rivals with frivolous excrement for eternity.
It's a and scenario for all Americans
Post by: bojanglesman on February 16, 2024, 08:54:43 PM
Some of it is clearly a witch hunt, some of it is an inappropriately exaggerated response.
The guy shouldn't be president, neither should the other guy. But we also shouldn't be setting a precedent of file every freaking lawsuit humanly possible to tie up political candidates in court, especially while they're actively running for president.
The most likely outcome of this will be what? Trump currently favored to win, assuming he does he corruptly uses that power to make as much of this excrement go away as possible. A new precedent is set for president's. Meanwhile another precedent is set for everyone to tie up rivals with frivolous excrement for eternity.
It's a and scenario for all Americans
This case was filed before he started running for president and he can't do excrement about it even if he wins.
Also, name one of these cases where he isn't guilty for what he's being charged.
Post by: reuben on February 16, 2024, 09:25:00 PM
A new precedent is set for president's.
So close to clever but then you dcmed it.
Post by: dcm1602 on February 16, 2024, 10:07:58 PM
This case was filed before he started running for president and he can't do excrement about it even if he wins.
Also, name one of these cases where he isn't guilty for what he's being charged.
Letitia James wasn't even elected attorney general until after Trump was in office.
The classified files thing has been presumably every president ever (definitely the last few years).
Biden and Hilary were both just as guilty but no charges were pursued
The excrement with Trump being taken off of ballots in numerous states, for something he never even went to trial for?
I have no interest in defending any of the dudes behavior. He's a repulsive human.
But the legal system is 100000% being used as a weapon against a political rival, to an excessive unprecedented degree. And it's not getting appropriately scrutinized because the guy is so repulsive and hated
Post by: bojanglesman on February 17, 2024, 06:54:12 AM
Letitia James wasn't even elected attorney general until after Trump was in office.
Before he announced he was running this time, not 2016. Why would 2016 matter? He won then.
Post by: reuben on February 17, 2024, 03:29:58 PM
Almost at $100,000. A good chunk of it from dcm, to save the sanctity of the American political process.
Post by: Badger on February 17, 2024, 03:58:48 PM
Trumps an derriere and if the guy drops dead of a heart attack or something I'm not spilling any tears. But
Top form
Post by: Johnny English on February 17, 2024, 04:35:30 PM
I would have thought his core market would prefer something like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/NJiGPuo.png)
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 17, 2024, 06:05:08 PM
https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement (https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement)
Almost at $100,000. A good chunk of it from dcm, to save the sanctity of the American political process.
Called it.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 17, 2024, 09:40:40 PM
https://apnews.com/article/trump-sneakers-sneaker-con-philadelphia-4de093eda6f8d1c68baf8fe8095f777bAre these the Scammer 1s or the J6s?
I would have thought his core market would prefer something like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/NJiGPuo.png)
Post by: Johnny English on February 22, 2024, 10:27:01 AM
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1760467743260758470
Post by: mj2sexay on February 22, 2024, 10:30:57 AM
This case was filed before he started running for president and he can't do excrement about it even if he wins.
Also, name one of these cases where he isn't guilty for what he's being charged.
Sure, lol.
The fraud case is freaking ridiculous and given Engoron's posture during the bank officials testimony, (among other things), very ripe for appeal.
He didn't try to steal an election in Georgia and last week sort of proved the absolute stupidity/corruption of the DA prosecuting it.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 22, 2024, 12:09:39 PM
Sure, lol.
The fraud case is freaking ridiculous and given Engoron's posture during the bank officials testimony, (among other things), very ripe for appeal.
He didn't try to steal an election in Georgia and last week sort of proved the absolute stupidity/corruption of the DA prosecuting it.
I do think it's possible his appeal gets the fine reduced, but not eliminated.
Post by: Johnny English on February 22, 2024, 02:38:25 PM
I do think it's possible his appeal gets the fine reduced, but not eliminated.
Apparently he has to lodge the fine amount as a bond before he can actually appeal, and there is a strong suspicion that Lyin' Don doesn't, in fact, have anything like the kind of cash on hand that he told the court.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 22, 2024, 02:47:59 PM
Apparently he has to lodge the fine amount as a bond before he can actually appeal, and there is a strong suspicion that Lyin' Don doesn't, in fact, have anything like the kind of cash on hand that he told the court.
Good thing lying about his assets and worth has never come back to bite him.
Post by: Badger on February 22, 2024, 10:20:04 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240223/eb2e87a13a3f2a57b56d69af46203306.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240223/e18ce6050735243ac12ae8ea696e12ec.jpg)
Post by: Johnny English on February 23, 2024, 12:55:53 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-incoherent-speech-nashville-christians-b2501342.html
Post by: Badger on February 23, 2024, 02:41:58 PM
https://twitter.com/smencimer/status/1760754522509504820?t=Czzw08G1GvdEoNG3mp0sFg&s=19
Post by: Badger on February 28, 2024, 12:21:41 PM
https://twitter.com/kareemisposting/status/1762863277623615929?t=recWoFJvPDRPqGwIuBEcug&s=19
Post by: Johnny English on February 28, 2024, 01:25:35 PM
I'm confused, he testified a few weeks ago in this very case that he had $400M in liquid assets, now he's saying that he can't provide more than $100M without a bond-secured loan. Surely he didn't just tell lies and overinflate his wealth in court while fighting a case related to him telling lies and overinflating his wealth? No one would do that, would they?
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2024, 02:13:40 PM
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-cannot-line-up-full-bond-new-york-fraud-case-offers-post-100-mln-2024-02-28/
I'm confused, he testified a few weeks ago in this very case that he had $400M in liquid assets, now he's saying that he can't provide more than $100M without a bond-secured loan. Surely he didn't just tell lies and overinflate his wealth in court while fighting a case related to him telling lies and overinflating his wealth? No one would do that, would they?
"Hey bruh, can I put 100 on it?"
Awful self-absorbed to pull this excrement, but it doesn't cost him anything beyond a few extra lawyer hours to ask. Might as well give it a shot. Worst case he pays (or doesn't) a lawyer a tiny bit extra amongst the ocean of legal bills he already has. Anything that has the remotest possibility of delaying, he'll throw it up against a wall.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 28, 2024, 03:50:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 29, 2024, 11:06:18 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/29/opinion/project-2025-trump-administration.html
If "but Biden didn't stop decades old US policy of selling armaments to Israel" doesn't become a minor footnote next to this then you are fucked in the head.
Post by: Johnny English on March 03, 2024, 02:47:16 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-biden-obama-b2506194.html
Post by: Johnny English on March 04, 2024, 06:40:23 PM
https://www.advocate.com/politics/donald-trump-mark-robinson-mlk#rebelltitem1
Post by: mj2sexay on March 05, 2024, 10:26:27 AM
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 05, 2024, 11:59:39 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on March 05, 2024, 01:17:12 PM
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=dc+republican+primary (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=dc+republican+primary)
Ahahahahahaha, nice cope.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 06, 2024, 09:49:20 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 09, 2024, 08:37:13 PM
Cry Libs
Post by: delavan on March 18, 2024, 04:45:45 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 18, 2024, 10:30:44 PM
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/opinion/columns/2024/03/12/palm-beach-is-bigger-crime-scene-than-miami-florida-spring-break/72930355007/
Did you read this drivel?
This wasn't even someone trying to make any kind of argument, point whatsoever. It was essentially a headline about Florida cracking down on spring break, and then ranting about how much he hates Trump. At least connect the two
Post by: delavan on March 20, 2024, 12:03:18 PM
Did you read this drivel?helluvacatch
This wasn't even someone trying to make any kind of argument, point whatsoever. It was essentially a headline about Florida cracking down on spring break, and then
ranting about how much he hates Trump.
At least connect the two.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/320px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg)
Quote from: dcm1602
At least connect the two
Quote from: dcm1602
At least connect the two
.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2024, 03:41:32 PM
Grifter in Chief
Post by: Johnny English on April 02, 2024, 12:00:21 PM
https://www.axios.com/2024/04/02/house-republicans-trump-dulles-airport
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2024, 05:38:51 AM
https://twitter.com/DailyLoud/status/1778117000734134554?t=OUbovCcgllRHIQY_9SbKNA&s=19
Post by: delavan on April 12, 2024, 06:25:49 AM
My president
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/los-angeles-times-donald-trump-oj-simpson-obituary_n_6618fcefe4b0f72922984c70/amp
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/The_Funeral_of_President_George_H.W._Bush_%2832332101008%29.jpg/320px-The_Funeral_of_President_George_H.W._Bush_%2832332101008%29.jpg)
Post by: Badger on April 12, 2024, 07:08:34 AM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/los-angeles-times-donald-trump-oj-simpson-obituary_n_6618fcefe4b0f72922984c70/ampThe failing LA Times!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/The_Funeral_of_President_George_H.W._Bush_%2832332101008%29.jpg/320px-The_Funeral_of_President_George_H.W._Bush_%2832332101008%29.jpg)
Post by: delavan on April 19, 2024, 01:38:05 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/nyregion/man-on-fire-trump.html
Post by: Johnny English on April 19, 2024, 01:46:37 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 19, 2024, 02:33:38 PM
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2024, 09:34:45 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 23, 2024, 05:23:28 AM
https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1782581191750668420?t=IG0qSlHg1ysO_0KLo_vJgA&s=19
Credit where credit is due, that's good.
Post by: Badger on April 25, 2024, 09:10:56 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on April 25, 2024, 10:44:54 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240425/44fef788629c4f30de9a1e0379f9fd67.jpg)
LMAOOOOOOO that is freaking hilarious.