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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on October 08, 2016, 10:08:06 AM
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McShay's current QB rankings:
1) DeShone Kizer (ND)
2) Deshaun Watson (Clemson)
3) Brad Kaaya (Miami)
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inB4 "mcshay sux" post
Yeah, yeah, I know
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We need Adoree' Jackson
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Does it matter in what order they're ranked if all of them are excrement?
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Mason Rudolph might be a better prospect than all of them.
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#nominorityquarterbacks
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Cam Robinson or Mike McGlinchey would be the starting point of an offensive rebuild. It starts with the OL.
Bumping this post
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McGlinchey 2017
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McShay's current QB rankings:
1) DeShone Kizer (ND)
2) Deshaun Watson (Clemson)
3) Brad Kaaya (Miami)
Don't really love any of these guys. Who else is out there?
Heismanberg mentioned Mason Rudolph (OK State). His stock is shooting up.
Chad Kelly (Ole Miss) and Mitch Trubisky (UNC) are potential 2nd/3rd round prospects.
Baker Mayfield (OU) as a late round or UDFA dart throw
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Don't really love any of these guys. Who else is out there?
Heismanberg mentioned Mason Rudolph (OK State). His stock is shooting up.
Chad Kelly (Ole Miss) and Mitch Trubisky (UNC) are potential 2nd/3rd round prospects.
Baker Mayfield (OU) as a late round or UDFA dart throw
I like Mason Rudolph a lot, but I'm also a fan of Taysom Hill, Davis Webb, and Brady Gustafson.
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I wouldn't touch Chad Kelly.
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I wouldn't touch Chad Kelly.
SBTG
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SBTG
Gonna have to update this to SBTF
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I like Mason Rudolph a lot, but I'm also a fan of Taysom Hill, Davis Webb, and Brady Gustafson.
Taysom Hill looked awful yesterday
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Taysom Hill looked awful yesterday
Not a big Taysom Hill fan when it comes to the NFL. He's 26 years old, has had major injuries that ended his season each of the last two seasons, and he hasn't played well enough for me to overlook his age and his injuries. He's older than Geno Smith who has been in the NFL four years already.
If we're going QB, and we're not going in round 1, I'd much prefer Webb or Rudolph. But Webb comes from Texas Tech/Cal - he'd be another guy we'd have to sit on the bench while he gets used to the NFL.
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McGlinchey 2017
I prefer Robinson but I'd take either in a heartbeat
OR a trade down for McCaffery or Cook then draft a ton of OL and a ILB if the value is right
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Then again McGlinchey can still tack on another 20 or25 lbs
Like I said , either would be glorious
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Not a big Taysom Hill fan when it comes to the NFL. He's 26 years old, has had major injuries that ended his season each of the last two seasons, and he hasn't played well enough for me to overlook his age and his injuries. He's older than Geno Smith who has been in the NFL four years already.
I didn't say I liked him with a high draft pick. I just prefer him over extremely overrated prospects like Watson and Kaaya.
Geno Smith hasn't learned excrement in the NFL, so who cares how long he's been in the league? He's excrement.
But Webb comes from Texas Tech/Cal - he'd be another guy we'd have to sit on the bench while he gets used to the NFL.
I don't think that really matters in certain schemes. Gailey is running a true spread offense. Obviously, I'd want any rookie to sit for a while, but Webb and Rudolph are great fits in this current offense.
Not sure how long Gailey will be around if this keeps up though.
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I wouldn't touch Chad Kelly.
Torn ACL
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Charlie Campbell (retard) just mocked Mitch Trubisky to us at #6.
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....and Christian McCaffery to New England at 32.
DIAFF
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Charlie Campbell (retard) just mocked Mitch Trubisky to us at #6.
Not knowing anything about him, I just read this: http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina/story/1724202-trubisky-raising-the-standard (http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina/story/1724202-trubisky-raising-the-standard).
Is he really that good? If so, why would he last to the 6th pick? Also, I'm starting to wonder if the Jets are even going to pick as low as 6.
Here's the current order for teams with the same number of wins or less:
# Team Rec. Rec. % SoS %
1 Cleveland Browns 0-9 0.000 0.531
2 San Francisco 49ers 1-7 0.125 0.508
3 Chicago Bears 2-6 0.250 0.511
4 Jacksonville Jaguars 2-6 0.250 0.537
5 New York Jets 3-6 0.333 0.492
6 LA Rams (Titans pick) 3-5 0.375 0.480
7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3-5 0.375 0.531
8 Carolina Panthers 3-5 0.375 0.535
9 Arizona Cardinals 3-4-1 0.429 0.472
10 Cincinnati Bengals 3-4-1 0.429 0.496
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Charlie Campbell (retard) just mocked Mitch Trubisky to us at #6.
probably the best QB in the draft right now
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probably the best QB in the draft right now
Without a doubt, but he's still a late first/early second type prospect in a normal draft imho. Need and position will put him in the top 10.
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Without a doubt, but he's still a late first/early second type prospect in a normal draft imho. Need and position will put him in the top 10.
We don't know that yet. Trubisky just didn't have the hype at the beginning of the year because this is his first year as a starter.
He has a cannon and he's smart with the football. The rise is going to happen partially because the QB class isn't very strong, but also because he's the best draft eligible prospect at the position in the college football right now.
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We don't know that yet. Trubisky just didn't have the hype at the beginning of the year because this is his first year as a starter.
He has a cannon and he's smart with the football. The rise is going to happen partially because the QB class isn't very strong, but also because he's the best draft eligible prospect at the position in the college football right now.
I was about to start rallying for the kid after last week. Not much to add , this sums it up perfectly .
I love how he sees the field and his decisiveness with throws . Great arm too. I've seen him throw into some tight windows and hit people in stride routinely .
Likely the only guy I'd cate to see them take at QB.
I would've been happy with Prescott in the 4th . Not going to act like I thought he'd be this good out the gate though
Passing on Carr is cry worthy at this stage . Again , a guy I'd have been happy with in the 1st , but not like I campaigned for him .
Good call
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FIU's Jonnu Smith, a decent mid-late round tight end prospect with some athleticism, is out for the season after his pregnant girlfriend poured boiling water on him.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/conference-usa/florida-international-university/article113860813.html
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Who the hell is this Hunt kid at HB for Toledo? Dude is just carrying Western Michigan people all over the field tonight.
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I watched Trubisky for the first time today and was pretty unimpressed. Granted it's only one game but some of his throws were really wayward under little or no pressure.
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I watched Trubisky for the first time today and was pretty unimpressed. Granted it's only one game but some of his throws were really wayward under little or no pressure.
I came away with the same impresssion today.
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I watched Trubisky for the first time today and was pretty unimpressed. Granted it's only one game but some of his throws were really wayward under little or no pressure.
That's just how bad this QB class is. He's a first year starter with a lot of talent and pro potential.
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That's just how bad this QB class is. He's a first year starter with a lot of talent and pro potential.
load up on oline talent next year...tank for Lamar in 2018.
bam. profit.
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load up on oline talent next year...tank for Lamar in 2018.
bam. profit.
2018's QB class is gonna be nice
Sam Darnold Da Goat
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Can't wait to get super excited about the draft only for it to somehow turn out worse than the regular season
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And what do you know? A bunch of great defensive lineman at the top of the draft.
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Dalvin Cook is going to be a great pro. I wouldn't mind if we went cornerback though. Quincy Wilson or Teez Tabor are both really good.
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Can't wait to get super excited about the draft only for it to somehow turn out worse than the regular season
Diaf
And what do you know? A bunch of great defensive lineman at the top of the draft.
You as well
Dalvin Cook is going to be a great pro. I wouldn't mind if we went cornerback though. Quincy Wilson or Teez Tabor are both really good.
Ok have an extinguisher handy, you redeemed yourself a tad. lol
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Tim May @TIM_MAYsports 6h6 hours ago
Ohio State pick-six king @MalikHooker24 tells me he's "100 percent sure" he'll be back next year. https://shar.es/18q5aG
Number one safety, but plenty of time for him to change his mind
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Dalvin Cook is going to be a great pro. I wouldn't mind if we went cornerback though. Quincy Wilson or Teez Tabor are both really good.
I want Dalvin Cook or Adoree' Jackson
It's a great year for running backs and corners, so hopefully we land some talent.
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I don't know if we're bad enough to land Mitch Trubisky, but he's #1 on my list for this team right now.
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I want Cook. I'd be fine with Trubisky or Jackson, but I truly want Cook. I had him rated higher than Zeke and Fournette . Kid is going to be special . We need CB and LT most, but Cook will make some team very happy.
My guess is Trubisky ends up going to CLE.
Best RB FSU has ever produced .
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I don't have him over Zeke. Zeke is one of the best RB prospects of all time.
I do have him over Leonard Fournette though.
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I have Cook rated as a better prospect than Blair Thomas if the Jets take him, if another team takes him, he's rated higher than Barry Sanders.
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#McGlincheyTrain2017
Maybe Puck can convince him to enter the draft with a schmoke and a pancake.
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#McGlincheyTrain2017
Maybe Puck can convince him to enter the draft with a schmoke and a pancake.
I am too busy trying to convince Derek Carr to enter the draft.
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I don't know if we're bad enough to land Mitch Trubisky, but he's #1 on my list for this team right now.
I would be really happy with this, alone for the fact that I think drafting as many good QB prospects as possible is worth it even it fails as long as you continue to try and get that QB and don't meander too long on trying to make a QB work. Maybe it's a little Sixer-ish, but it works better in football because of how important the QB has become.
I guess I'm just sick of teams getting franchise QBs why we always have false hope and spare parts. Might as well fail until we get it right without making Browns like bad decisions.
I really like Trubisky too but part of me thinks it might be too early. What's the precedent for 1 year starters getting drafted and then playing well? I don't know the answer to that.
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I really like Trubisky too but part of me thinks it might be too early. What's the precedent for 1 year starters getting drafted and then playing well? I don't know the answer to that.
I'm sure it's not great, but most QB success rates are gonna look pretty shitty unless you add a ton of qualifiers.
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Trade back, draft all the offensive linemen ever.
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I really like Trubisky too but part of me thinks it might be too early. What's the precedent for 1 year starters getting drafted and then playing well? I don't know the answer to that.
wasn't sanchez a 1 year starter at USC before being drafted
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wasn't sanchez a 1 year starter at USC before being drafted
Yes
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Cam Newton only had one year of starting experience in college as well.
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I knew Cam was, but I didn't include him because he's an outlier due to being the most physically gifted QB prospect we've ever seen.
If we're in a position to get Trubisky I say do it, but with tempered expectations. From what I've seen I really like his accuracy, but I haven't watched enough of him to comment on much else.
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I don't have him over Zeke. Zeke is one of the best RB prospects of all time.
I do have him over Leonard Fournette though.
I have him over Zeke but barely . I think Zeke might be more complete by proxy of size alone. I think Cook is the most dynamic though .
He's supposedly up to 215 now , but no telling if he will show up to the combine and carry that weight through a season
You know I wanted him bad last year , I just want a bona-fide playmaker for once. Cook is exactly that. He won't be afforded the luxury of the DAL OL though lol.
Cook and Zeke over Fournette for sure .
McCaffery needs to be utilized a la Westbrook in limiting his total carries yet utilizing him in the passing game . He's still a stud though.
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I knew Cam was, but I didn't include him because he's an outlier due to being the most physically gifted QB prospect we've ever seen.
If we're in a position to get Trubisky I say do it, but with tempered expectations. From what I've seen I really like his accuracy, but I haven't watched enough of him to comment on much else.
His arm is strong . He used to just hit guys in stride on short to intrrmilediate , but now as more experience gets under his belt, he's proving he's got the arm to make every possible throw.
There was a game where he hits a WR on a corner route in the back of an end zone. The DB turned his head in time but he got the ball there so fast where only the WR could get it there was nothing he could've done he drove it 25 or 30 in the air with just enough air , and still a high velocity throw
Granted he is a Lil late to sense pressure at times , but he's a first year starter. He's not awe inspiring , but he's as solid as solid gets with a good arm and vision. Most of his negatives are things that usually fix with more experience
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Point in case , Hackenberg n petty are not reason enough to scoff at Trubisky if he's on the board
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Trubisky is such a bust name though
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Trubisky is such a bust name though
Trubustsky
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Trubustsky
freak IT! He already has the nickname, he's DOOMED!
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I'm still anti-running back in the 1st round, but this is one hell of a running back class. I want Adoree.
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I'm still anti-running back in the 1st round, but this is one hell of a running back class. I want Adoree.
I want to see what we get for Sheldon in a trade
I want Adoree too but Dalvin Cook would be fun.
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We have too many holes to fill for me to worry about which position gets taken where. Right now Duff (or a future replacement) needs to draft BPA and hit on at least 3 or 4 starters for the next few drafts.
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Trubisky is such a bust name though
Gronkowski has kind of ruined that paradigm.
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We have too many holes to fill for me to worry about which position gets taken where. Right now Duff (or a future replacement) needs to draft BPA and hit on at least 3 or 4 starters for the next few drafts.
What if the BPA is a defensive tackle or defensive lineman?
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At some point you have to go BPA not a defensive lineman
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Gronkowski has kind of ruined that paradigm.
Yeah but he's a TE. Mitch Trubisky sounds like a LB from the 50s.
What if the BPA is a defensive tackle or defensive lineman?
I mean, within reason. BPA with an eye for need but don't force a pick because it's your biggest hole on the roster. That's how we end up with guys like Hackenberg (jew) or Milliner
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I still stand by my ratings of 2 months ago. Only 5 guys worth talking about as even 2nd rounder and Im not sure any of them declare.
Brad Kaaya - May not be a blue chip guy but IMO has still shown more pro ability and upside then any of the top 5.
Mitch Trubisky - Yeah Im still not impressed but he does look the roll of a 1st round starter.
Deshaun Watson - Honestly I feel he just lacks high end upside. Physically and technically he just doesnt blow me away in any area really. Has a an all star cast around him so I think using the numbers argument isnt a strong one. He is a 1st rounder but IMO smells of bust.
DeShone Kizer - Clausen 2.0 IMO. Has all the tools I question his attitude. Needs to show he can lead a team to a win 1st. Kiper hyped that derriere douche as a 1st rounder and I see the same happening here. He is 2nd round talent. I actually like Wilton Speight more who isnt getting any talk.
Mason Rudolph - I can see him getting a surge still but I would like to see him get anther year in college.
Kelly, Lunt, Webb, Russell, and who ever else from the jr class that declares falls short.
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Dreamers likes Brad Kaaya. That's all I need to know that my existing opinion about Kaaya is correct.
Thoroughly mediocre quarterback with a good arm and nothing more. Holds on to the ball too long, has no signature wins at Miami despite having pros at the skill positions. His offensive line has stunk but he hasn't shown that he can be a great college quarterback even when playing against subpar teams. He's not going to be a good pro. He's lucky to even be compared to Stephen Morris at this point.
That's Brock Osweiler "he looks the part" type nonsense.
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I'm really intrigued by Corey Davis.
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I'm really intrigued by Corey Davis.
He can really play.
Mike Williams from Clemson would be an awesome player to develop behind Brandon Marshall.
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He can really play.
Mike Williams from Clemson would be an awesome player to develop behind Brandon Marshall.
Boatload of potential.
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but this is one hell of a running back class.
This is why I'm anti RB. Not in the top 5. If we somehow slide back to somewhere around 15-20 and take Cook/Fournette I'm fine with that.
We could potentially get McCaffery/Foreman/Chubb/Perine/Gallman/Freeman in the 2nd.
Then again, so far there isn't a single prospect in this draft that I would be mad at passing over at 5 for Dalvin Cook.
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We could potentially get McCaffery/Foreman/Chubb/Perine/Gallman/Freeman in the 2nd.
Hopefully we can get at least a second for Sheldon Richardson.
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This is why I'm anti RB. Not in the top 5. If we somehow slide back to somewhere around 15-20 and take Cook/Fournette I'm fine with that.
We could potentially get McCaffery/Foreman/Chubb/Perine/Gallman/Freeman in the 2nd.
Then again, so far there isn't a single prospect in this draft that I would be mad at passing over at 5 for Dalvin Cook.
That's my thing. We can get a quality RB after Day 1, and this should be a deep class. I still think Nick Chubb can be a great back. I like Alvin Kamara a lot. Kareem Hunt could be a steal, too.
I totally understand people who look at our offense and that we haven't drafted offense in Round 1 in years and want an RB. But unless we're taking QB or OL, I'm completely fine waiting on offense. And QB and OL don't look like great positions right now. I'm not against a WR, but I like some of our young guys we currently have.
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That's my thing. We can get a quality RB after Day 1, and this should be a deep class. I still think Nick Chubb can be a great back. I like Alvin Kamara a lot. Kareem Hunt could be a steal, too.
If Kamara enters the draft, he's my #3 RB.
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Hopefully we can get at least a second for Sheldon Richardson.
What if they trade Mo?
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Gronkowski has kind of ruined that paradigm.
You post this, one day later Gronk is having back surgery...
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This is why I'm anti RB. Not in the top 5. If we somehow slide back to somewhere around 15-20 and take Cook/Fournette I'm fine with that.
We could potentially get McCaffery/Foreman/Chubb/Perine/Gallman/Freeman in the 2nd.
Then again, so far there isn't a single prospect in this draft that I would be mad at passing over at 5 for Dalvin Cook.
Perine has an awful sounding name, I'll pass.
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Perine has an awful sounding name, I'll pass.
Perine Train '16
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Dreamers likes Brad Kaaya. That's all I need to know that my existing opinion about Kaaya is correct.
Thoroughly mediocre quarterback with a good arm and nothing more. Holds on to the ball too long, has no signature wins at Miami despite having pros at the skill positions. His offensive line has stunk but he hasn't shown that he can be a great college quarterback even when playing against subpar teams. He's not going to be a good pro. He's lucky to even be compared to Stephen Morris at this point.
That's Brock Osweiler "he looks the part" type nonsense.
It just isnt a good class IMO. Trubisky is #1 IMO only because he is the only 4th year of the top 5. He looks better because he has had more time to absorb it. I dont get Kizer at all but he is getting more overall talk then anyone because he "looks the part". Brock never looked the part FYI. Every scout seems to think Watson is a 2nd rounder and Im hard pressed to disagree. Kaaya and Rudolph are simply the safe picks. Rudolph is more the Brock/Flacco tank guy thou late 1st at best. Kaaya just looks like the a school QB. He doesnt have a lot around him but is very accurate and makes good reads. Yeah nothing sexy about his game at all I agree but he gets it done and has some good training already. The only difference in those guys and your next 5 Webb, Kelly, Russell, Beathard, and Lunt is they have a higher ceiling. Reality is current talent wise there isnt a huge separation. I hope we dont jump on a early guy this one. Id rather see what Hack has who would likely be the 1st or 2nd guy here if he had stayed. If they can hype Kizer, Hack is right in there.
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2 or 3 more back surgeries and Gronk will be a Jet.
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2 or 3 more back surgeries and Gronk will be a Jet.
or a new york met
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2 or 3 more back surgeries and Gronk will be a Jet.
Would still be the best TE we have had in over a decade.
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Would still be the best TE we have had in over a decade.
Anthony Becht?
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Anthony Becht?
Doug Jolley
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Our draft position is interesting at the moment. We should really be looking at QB or offensive line; but more than likely the top QBs will be gone and I don't really feel comfortable with any O-lineman in the top 10 at the moment. In addition, Tim Williams is interesting as that dynamic pass rusher we have been looking for since 'Nam but those off the field issues make him a bit risky.
That leaves the 2 RBs (Cook and Fournette) and Peppers if we're looking at 5. Honestly, it's about damn time we add a dynamic playmaker to our offense via the draft and either of those 2 would definitely do it. But on the other hand I'm a huge Peppers fan and will be pissed if we pass on him and he ends up as a defensive all over the field dynamo for the next 10-12 years. Tough call.
I don't like any of the top CBs enough to draft in the top 7-8 picks.
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Our draft position is interesting at the moment. We should really be looking at QB or offensive line; but more than likely the top QBs will be gone and I don't really feel comfortable with any O-lineman in the top 10 at the moment. In addition, Tim Williams is interesting as that dynamic pass rusher we have been looking for since 'Nam but those off the field issues make him a bit risky.
That leaves the 2 RBs (Cook and Fournette) and Peppers if we're looking at 5. Honestly, it's about damn time we add a dynamic playmaker to our offense via the draft and either of those 2 would definitely do it. But on the other hand I'm a huge Peppers fan and will be pissed if we pass on him and he ends up as a defensive all over the field dynamo for the next 10-12 years. Tough call.
I don't like any of the top CBs enough to draft in the top 7-8 picks.
Peppers, Lee, and Pryor would be fun to watch. They'd be flying all over the place.
I think this is the year to load up on DBs and RBs.
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Peppers, Lee, and Pryor would be fun to watch. They'd be flying all over the place.
I think this is the year to load up on DBs and RBs.
I agree. Gotta go with the strength of this class, especially since we need both.
Joe Mixon might not be a good person, but he's one hell of a running back prospect.
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We need Jordan Leggett or Mike Williams or both
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saquon Barkley time
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might be Desmond King time
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Terrell Edmunds is a savage. I don't think he'll enter this draft, but if he does, he needs to be New York Jet.
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I'm wary about taking a running back in the top 5 if we're rebuilding. Shelf life on running backs is generally not great, I feel like that's a move you make when your roster is more complete. 2nd round or later is fine
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We should draft Morgan Williams somewhere in the 4th, if the falls that far.
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Sooooo DL? Cause our DL kinda sucks rn tbh
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Sooooo DL? Cause our DL kinda sucks rn tbh
we need everything
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Punter in 1st, kicker in 2nd, long snapper in the 3rd. Ditka the rest for a TE.
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Manish was tweeting his article repeatedly all day yesterday that the only untouchable player on the roster is Williams.
I hate when Manish is right.
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Manish was tweeting his article repeatedly all day yesterday that the only untouchable player on the roster is Williams.
I hate when Manish is right.
I'm interested to see what happens with Wilkerson. I wonder if we'll try to unload him...
Ready for Sheldon Richardson to go more than ever after last night.
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Manish was tweeting his article repeatedly all day yesterday that the only untouchable player on the roster is Williams.
I hate when Manish is right.
I would add Enunwa, Lee, and Jenkins
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I'm interested to see what happens with Wilkerson. I wonder if we'll try to unload him...
Ready for Sheldon Richardson to go more than ever after last night.
I'd love to see Wilkerson traded. I don't think anyone's going to take his contract on now though. Not when he's mailing it in like everyone he's calling out.
Even though I'd already accepted Sheldon being gone weeks ago, I never was looking forward to it until last night.
I would add Enunwa, Lee, and Jenkins
I definitely agree on Enunwa and Lee. I haven't noticed Jenkins enough to care one way or the other.
Other guys I'd keep:
Winters
McClendon
Carpenter
Only trade if I get something reasonably good in return:
Decker
Marshall
Ask to take a paycut but keep:
Mangold
I'd keep Pryor, Wes Johnson, Powell, and Forte too but if anyone asks for any of them, I'd pack their bags.
Off the top of my head there isn't another player I'd be unhappy to see go.
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I still wonder if Wilkerson hasn't fully healed from the broken leg/ankle. Sheldon has no excuse.
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A player that not a lot of people are talking about for us is Jamal Adams at LSU.
Safety isn't a huge concern, but he's one of the best players in this draft and he's the kind of player you can build around.
If Bowles is still here, he loves LSU DBs.
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This team is gonna be turned over almost entirely minus a handful of players so I don't mind going BPA outright. Obviously I'd prefer it to not be a DL or SS but if the opportunity presents itself so be it.
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This team is gonna be turned over almost entirely minus a handful of players so I don't mind going BPA outright. Obviously I'd prefer it to not be a DL or SS but if the opportunity presents itself so be it.
The best BPA at 4 or 5 is very likely going to be a DT or DE.
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The best BPA at 4 or 5 is very likely going to be a DT or DE.
Jabrill Peppers and Jamal Adams could be BPA if Garrett and Allen are gone.
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Jabrill Peppers and Jamal Adams could be BPA if Garrett and Allen are gone.
Peppers , Lee, Pryor ?
Very freaking tempting
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As much as it sucks, we're kind of in the market for a safety. We can certainly improve from Gilchrist and while Pryor is one of the few guys on this team I still like, he's on what, his third concussion in as many years? His career is going to be unfortunately short.
There really isn't a position on this team that would be a bad draft. It should be straight-up BPA with every pick.
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I do not think I have a preference yet. Just too many personnel decisions between now and April and a decent amount question marks that hopefully get answered. I am assuming we will be picking in the top 7 and I would make the folliwng decisions:
Cuts: Clady, Breno, Henderson, Folk, Gilchrist
Trade: Richardson
That would leave us with about 30 million in cap room and we obviously have other moves that can be made
My position by position thoughts on the draft right now.
QB: Unless they love a prospect, I am totally okay with them not drafting a QB this year. I am curious what Petty and Hackenberg can become and am not of the mindset that you need to take a QB every year. I also like the QB class of 2018 a lot more than 2017 so if we miss out this year, we can grab one early the following year.
RB: I like both Fournette and Cook, but we will have both Powell and Forte back next year. Plus there is some pretty solid talent in the middle/late rounds that may be a better value.
WR: One of 2 positions I do not want us to take. Even if we lose Decker or Marshall, I imagine we can still go into next year with one of them, Quincy, Anderson, and 2 of Peake/J Marshall/Smith (If he shows anything in the next four weeks). I think it would still be a solid receiving corps.
TE: We need one. Hopefully won't take one in the top 10, but I think I want one somewhere.
OL: I really wish there was an elite tackle or two in the draft as I really want us to go OT. Sadly there may not be one worth the value. Maybe McGlinchey will declare and show some athleticism. I would like to go OT in rounds 2-4 if we do not take one in the first. We can go into next year with Shell/Ijalana at RT and a draft pick at LT, but that is not comforting. I think we should resign Winters and Guard will be okay with him and Carpenter. Who knows what happens with Mangold. We can release him and save nearly 10 million with no dead money, but I do like the player and think he can contribute. He may not be worth the price tag, but I would like him back at less cost.
DL: Other position I do not want us to draft. Even with trading Richardson, we are still okay here.
ILB: Lee will be here for a few years and is solid. Harris is okay and may worth it to bring back on the 6.5 million. Maybe find a project here later in the draft who can learn behind Harris for a year and take his job next year.
OLB: Pass rusher desperately still needed. Neither Jenkins or Mauldin can be that guy so I would be okay with finding an edge rusher early. I do not think we will get Garret, but Williams and Barnett may be possibilities in the top 10 and there are some talented guys in round 2 that pique my interest. This may be the year we take a pass rusher early(?)
Secondary: The most interesting position to me because it has been so bad this year. Will Revis be back at corner? Moved to safety (IMO eliminating both Adams and Peppers as potential picks)? Cut? Will Juston Burris show anything or even play in the final four weeks? No matter what I think we need a change next to Pryor and at least to draft one CB in the top 4 rounds.
Other Positions: Nah
I think I have us using too many draft picks, but what the hell. It is still early so lets see how the next 4 games go..... (I imagine not well)
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A lot will change between now and draft day, so there isn't too much point in getting specific other than just needs in general.
I'm interested to see if they keep Decker instead of Marshall. That is assuming he can heal up and play next year. I'm thinking Enunwa is the future here at WR (hopefully). I feel like Decker would be a better pairing with him than Marshall. We've seen life without Decker this year. He opens up a lot of the other guys as well as getting open himself. Marshall does also. Decker is a little younger and under contract for 2017 and 2018 if he's worth it.
I'm fine with either one, but I almost don't want to keep both because it will stunt the youth movement at WR and create a backlog there.
As far as the draft, I'm sure we will find a way to win a game or 2 of the last 4 and slip out of the top 5. Someone valuable will be around at our pick when you have as many holes as we do. Also, the ever-elusive trade down may be an option too. We probably should.
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Adding one of Rueben Foster/Jabrill Peppers/Takkarist Mckinley/Teez Tabor I suppose wouldn't be the worst thing in the world...just disappointing that we're gonna actually be up in the top 5 in a year with no stud O-Linemen/QBs....
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Adding one of Rueben Foster/Jabrill Peppers/Takkarist Mckinley/Teez Tabor I suppose wouldn't be the worst thing in the world...just disappointing that we're gonna actually be up in the top 5 in a year with no stud O-Linemen/QBs....
Peppers and Foster are players you can build a defense around.
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Peppers and Foster are players you can build a defense around.
Do you play peppers at FS? I think SS is his best fit , but he's fast enough to play FS next to Pryor
McGlinchey is no 1 on my list if he declares (looking less likely) then Cook. With the injury to Gilchrist though , Peppers becomes almost a no Brainer if he's available
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Do you play peppers at FS? I think SS is his best fit , but he's fast enough to play FS next to Pryor
I think he has to be used to Honey Badger - free, strong, nickel
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I think he has to be used to Honey Badger - free, strong, nickel
Makes sense. I bet he comes to the combine at 5 ft 11, 195
I think he's 6 ft 1 205 listed at Michigan. But he definitely reminds me of Mathieu
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Really would hate to pass on cook though. I know I'll get slack as An FSU fan. I just think he's special.
Guy is by far the best RB to come out of FSU.
You had him right behind Elliot I have him barely above
Like I said , elliot is likely more complete by proxy of size alone
I told my Falcons fan friend Freeman would be a steal for them .
Watching him fulfill his potential in the NFL makes me drool at what Cook can do for a franchise.
It'll be hard for us to not come away with a good player . I just know Cook will make some team extremely happy .
Do you think McCaffery or Fournette hit the early 2nd Rd
I could see McCaffery definitely being there .
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James Madison RB Khalid Abdullah is a great player. Another name to add to the loaded position group.
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Cook is a better prospect than Fournette, but I still prefer to wait at RB. Give me a defensive back or a pass rusher.
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Cook is a better prospect than Fournette, but I still prefer to wait at RB. Give me a defensive back or a pass rusher.
Tim Williams will most likely be BPA when we're up. I think DB and RB are the deepest groups, so we can afford to wait for both.
D'Onta Foreman would be awesome in the second round. He'd compliment Powell well.
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I found this today and I remember having read it a couple of years back, it's very interesting.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/
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I found this today and I remember having read it a couple of years back, it's very interesting.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/
It's interesting but it appears to contain a fundamental flaw, which is that ot assumes that a player's performance is solely a function of his skill level and ignores the impact that coaching has on getting them to play up to their abilities.
Teams like Green Bay and Pittsburgh don't just consistently draft well, they also make the most of what they draft.
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It's interesting but it appears to contain a fundamental flaw, which is that ot assumes that a player's performance is solely a function of his skill level and ignores the impact that coaching has on getting them to play up to their abilities.
Teams like Green Bay and Pittsburgh don't just consistently draft well, they also make the most of what they draft.
You could probably add Seattle to that list, they have had a bunch of really good drafts.
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Look at our drafts starting in 2000.
They are disgusting.
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I also think teams that have a system in place for years know much better the kind of players they need to draft. All Pittsburgh, Green Bay and Seattle have enjoyed a great deal of continuity. Belichick whiffs on a lot of players but most of his true stars have been either drafted by him or acquired when they were very young.
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Look at our drafts starting in 2000.
They are disgusting.
Come on man every GM has a bust draft look at Tannenbaum 2/3rds of his were busts, so that makes him an awesome GM.
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Look at our drafts starting in 2000.
They are disgusting.
Compare to teams like Philly or Cleveland our drafts look fantastic.
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I am leaning Safety/CB in the first 2 rounds. Adams/Peppers and whatever CB falls to the second (I mean all of Humphrey, Tabor, Wilson, King, Jackson, Tankersley, Jones, probably a few that I am missing can't all go in the top 37ish picks, can they?)
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I am leaning Safety/CB in the first 2 rounds. Adams/Peppers and whatever CB falls to the second (I mean all of Humphrey, Tabor, Wilson, King, Jackson, Tankersley, Jones, probably a few that I am missing can't all go in the top 37ish picks, can they?)
Hopefully we'll have another second after trading Richardson
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Hopefully we'll have another second after trading Richardson
I was thinking a third at best maybe even a four. I go ot and te in that order with the next two picks (ideally)
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Tim Williams will most likely be BPA when we're up. I think DB and RB are the deepest groups, so we can afford to wait for both.
D'Onta Foreman would be awesome in the second round. He'd compliment Powell well.
If we go...
1. Tim Williams
2. Best available DB
3. Best available OT
4. Best available RB
I'll be completely on board, and I think it would match up with value (maybe flip 3 and 4).
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If we go...
1. Tim Williams
2. Best available DB
3. Best available OT
4. Best available RB
I'll be completely on board, and I think it would match up with value (maybe flip 3 and 4).
RB class just got a little better today with Brian Hill and Jeremy McNichols declaring early.
Throwing money at Eric Berry would be interesting and it would fix our safety issue.
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Need to draft another QB this year. Petty is a dart throw at best and none of the veterans on the market do anything for us.
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RB class just got a little better today with Brian Hill and Jeremy McNichols declaring early.
Throwing money at Eric Berry would be interesting and it would fix our safety issue.
It would also help solve a leadership and a defensive playmaking issue. It's hard to imagine him leaving KC, but it would be great to get him.
I like McNichols. Hill was a really nice college RB, but I didn't watch him closely enough to see how he'd translate to the NFL. I have a soft spot for Hill because he's won me money on several occasions in fantasy/gambling.
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I like McNichols. Hill was a really nice college RB, but I didn't watch him closely enough to see how he'd translate to the NFL. I have a soft spot for Hill because he's won me money on several occasions in fantasy/gambling.
Hill reminds me a lot of Jay Ajayi. He could be a steal in the middle rounds. I have him rated as a top five prospect at his position right now.
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OT prospect to watch: Martinas Rankin from Mississippi State
Great athlete and a borderline elite run blocker. Might be more of a guard in the NFL though...
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I no longer care what position we take in any round. As long as it's truly BPA when we pick. There isn't a single position on the team that can't be improved (I'm even including the supposedly "deep" positions of WR and DL).
Whether it's Maccagnan or someone else, the GM this spring has his hands full.
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I no longer care what position we take in any round. As long as it's truly BPA when we pick. There isn't a single position on the team that can't be improved (I'm even including the supposedly "deep" positions of WR and DL).
Whether it's Maccagnan or someone else, the GM this spring has his hands full.
Jabrill Peppers or bust.
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Jabrill Peppers or bust.
Gerbil peppers?
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Derrius Guice in 2018 please.
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Any thoughts on Kendell Beckwith, LB, LSU? Looking at him, he was probably a day two prospect but tore his ACL late in the year. I would like to pick him up on day 3, let him sit a year recovering and learning from Harris and then teaming up with Lee in the middle in 2018 and beyond
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Beckwith reminds me a lot of DH, bigger guys in the middle.
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Compare to teams like Philly or Cleveland our drafts look fantastic.
Bilal Powell
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Gerbil peppers?
Brian Peppers
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Jordan Willis might be a real possibility for us at 6
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Malik Hooker would be one of, if not the best defensive player in the draft if he decided to declare.
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Malik Hooker would be one of, if not the best defensive player in the draft if he decided to declare.
Even if he doesn't, this is still a loaded DB class.
Jamal Adams might even be better than Hooker. Bowles really needs to rebuild the secondary in this draft. I actually like a lot of what I've seen from Juston Burris. He should be able to help us for the next few years...hopefully longer.
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Even if he doesn't, this is still a loaded DB class.
Jamal Adams might even be better than Hooker. Bowles really needs to rebuild the secondary in this draft. I actually like a lot of what I've seen from Juston Burris. He should be able to help us for the next few years...hopefully longer.
What's your take on Burris?
I've seen him make some good plays and I've seen some real head scratchers. For a while I thought he was just a streaky player, but I'm starting to think some of his problems were actually a product of the so-called "miscommunications" in the secondary.
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Malik Whore. Draft him.
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What's your take on Burris?
I've seen him make some good plays and I've seen some real head scratchers. For a while I thought he was just a streaky player, but I'm starting to think some of his problems were actually a product of the so-called "miscommunications" in the secondary.
He's physical and he does a nice job tracking the football in the air. His issue is that he isn't that fast, so he needs some help down the field. But like I said, he's physical and a strong, which allows him to press well.
I think he has the ability to be a #2 corner in this league but right now he's a rotational player there. I'd take him over Buster Skrine every day of the week though.
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He's physical and he does a nice job tracking the football in the air. His issue is that he isn't that fast, so he needs some help down the field. But like I said, he's physical and a strong, which allows him to press well.
I think he has the ability to be a #2 corner in this league but right now he's a rotational player there. I'd take him over Buster Skrine every day of the week though.
So then it is "miscommunications" that have been the problem. That makes me feel better about him.
Skrine is a huge disappointment. I'm not even sure he'd be good in the nickel anymore. He looks completely lost.
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I'm not even sure he'd be good in the nickel anymore. He looks completely lost.
He isn't a good nickel corner anymore. He isn't even a good dime. He interferes or holds on almost every target his way. There's mind-numbingly stupid play from him in almost every game.
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Burris looks like he has potential to be a future starter but he needs to freak off with some of his celebrations
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Burris looks like he has potential to be a future starter but he needs to freak off with some of his celebrations
Honestly, I don't care so much about celebrations, at least when you're a rookie. It's his first NFL playing time. "Act like you've been there before" doesn't really apply, since he hasn't been there before.
However, if he's Kyle Wilson fingerwagging after a QB overthrows a wide open receiver by 20 yards, then I'll be annoyed.
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Honestly, I don't care so much about celebrations, at least when you're a rookie. It's his first NFL playing time. "Act like you've been there before" doesn't really apply, since he hasn't been there before.
However, if he's Kyle Wilson fingerwagging after a QB overthrows a wide open receiver by 20 yards, then I'll be annoyed.
Yeah but when you're getting destroyed it's stupid to watch these guys dancing on the field for causing an incompletion
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In most cases I agree to stop the worthless celebrations while getting your derriere kicked. In this season, it at least tells me a guy cares enough to put the effort into making a play.
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Yeah but when you're getting destroyed it's stupid to watch these guys dancing on the field for causing an incompletion
I don't know if I've seen a single corner in the league make a remotely decent play and not celebrate. Every time. It would refreshing to see someone make a play and do a quick, understated fistpump like a respectable white person.
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He isn't a good nickel corner anymore. He isn't even a good dime. He interferes or holds on almost every target his way. There's mind-numbingly stupid play from him in almost every game.
Jourdan Lewis, with our second rd pick, would a good candidate for Nickel.
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It would be nice to come out of this draft with one of Jake Butt, OJ Howard, Bucky Hodges, Evan Engram, Jordan Leggett.
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It would be nice to come out of this draft with one of Jake Butt, OJ Howard, Bucky Hodges, Evan Engram, Jordan Leggett.
or David Njoku from Miami
sounds like Jake Butt suffered a serious knee injury last night...sucks
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The Jets need to go get Ben Boulware in the late rounds.
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The Jets need to go get Ben Boulware in the late rounds.
I hate that mother fucker. He's a cheap shoting bastard on the field and I despise how he plays.
He's the kind of guy that you love if he's on your side, and you hate with a vengeance if he's on the other.
I hope he gets drafted to Seattle so we never have to deal with him
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I hate that mother fucker. He's a cheap shoting bastard on the field and I despise how he plays.
He's the kind of guy that you love if he's on your side, and you hate with a vengeance if he's on the other.
I hope he gets drafted to Seattle so we never have to deal with him
I hope we draft him and he ends Brady's career
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I hope we draft him and he ends Brady's career
Only after they trade Crappolo
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The Jets need to go get Ben Boulware in the late rounds.
He and Wilkins really know how to get their hands dirty...
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He and Wilkins really know how to get their hands dirty...
Jalen Hurts better keep 'em cliched tomorrow night
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000775479/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2017-nfl-draft
Probably a good starting point for everyone. He loves him some Hooker.
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Jabrill Peppers at 33 on that big board. The more I think about it, the less I would want to consider him at 6. Too much risk when there are other elite prospects out there.
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Jabrill Peppers at 33 on that big board. The more I think about it, the less I would want to consider him at 6. Too much risk when there are other elite prospects out there.
Peppers would be a poor choice at 6 IMO, especially if Jamal Adams and Malik Hooker are on the board.
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Peppers would be a poor choice at 6 IMO, especially if Jamal Adams and Malik Hooker are on the board.
The exciting thing about this dratt is that we should end up with a true game changing talent in one of Adams, hooker, foster or Barnett [my favorite edge guy depending on his 40 and 3 cone besides Garrett of course).
The disappointing thong is that none of them know how to throw a god damn football.
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The exciting thing about this dratt is that we should end up with a true game changing talent in one of Adams, hooker, foster or Barnett [my favorite edge guy depending on his 40 and 3 cone besides Garrett of course).
The disappointing thong is that none of them know how to throw a god damn football.
Barnett is a bad man. He would be an awesome pick for us.
Reuben Foster will become a huge possibility if we move on from David Harris.
Hooker is #1 on my board for us. That kid has the ability to be the best free safety in the NFL.
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Barnett is a bad man. He would be an awesome pick for us.
Reuben Foster will become a huge possibility if we move on from David Harris.
Hooker is #1 on my board for us. That kid has the ability to be the best free safety in the NFL.
This is the reason I can see us finding someone willing to trade back. The top 4 DEs are amazing here and Im not even sure any of them will be on the board at 6. You have Carolina 2 spots back that have a HUGE need and know their options will be limited if they stay where they are. Id love to move back add anther 2nd and draft Williams. The more I look at this draft the more I love Williams as our pick. Even if SD takes Williams Id still love our options at 8 between the DB RB and OLB depth in this draft. Im not big on taking ILBs in the 1st anymore. Seems like the best ones are always had in mid rounds because they are rarely the guys who impress at the combine.
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This is the reason I can see us finding someone willing to trade back. The top 4 DEs are amazing here and Im not even sure any of them will be on the board at 6. You have Carolina 2 spots back that have a HUGE need and know their options will be limited if they stay where they are. Id love to move back add anther 2nd and draft Williams. The more I look at this draft the more I love Williams as our pick. Even if SD takes Williams Id still love our options at 8 between the DB RB and OLB depth in this draft. Im not big on taking ILBs in the 1st anymore. Seems like the best ones are always had in mid rounds because they are rarely the guys who impress at the combine.
Minor point, but you'd probably only get a 3rd moving back 2 spots.
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Minor point, but you'd probably only get a 3rd moving back 2 spots.
Which for the Jets is better than a 2nd since those seem just about useless.
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I will take a 3rd any day of the week to move back 2 spots. Imagine if they get rid of Richardson for a 3rd, They would have 3 3rds. Seriously I hope they get that done, get the youngsters in here and competing for spots. 5 picks in the top 3 rounds, you best believe they should get at worst 2-3 starters.
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I will take a 3rd any day of the week to move back 2 spots. Imagine if they get rid of Richardson for a 3rd, They would have 3 3rds. Seriously I hope they get that done, get the youngsters in here and competing for spots. 5 picks in the top 3 rounds, you best believe they should get at worst 2-3 starters.
Yep. That would be nice.
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Malik Hooker will miss 4-6 months with an injury
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Malik Hooker will miss 4-6 months with an injury
Great....Gonna be real fun when one of the same bullshit teams who pick up steals like this (I'm looking at you Baltimore) in the middle of the first takes him and he becomes an All-Pro.
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Great....Gonna be real fun when one of the same bullshit teams who pick up steals like this (I'm looking at you Baltimore) in the middle of the first takes him and he becomes an All-Pro.
I wouldn't be angry if we still drafted Hooker at 6.
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Great....Gonna be real fun when one of the same bullshit teams who pick up steals like this (I'm looking at you Baltimore) in the middle of the first takes him and he becomes an All-Pro.
Maybe we can find a video of him smoking pot and get him in the 2nd round.
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Maybe we can find a video of him smoking pot and get him in the 2nd round.
I'm gonna bring a blunt to his campus and flirt my way into smoking with him
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I'm gonna bring a blunt to his campus and flirt my way into smoking with him
We're counting on you Pope, don't freak this up.
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I just had a daydream of the Jets trading down from the 6th pick and me running around my living room screaming like we won the Super Bowl
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I'm gonna bring a blunt to his campus and flirt my way into smoking with him
Malik Hooker - S - Ohio State
2nd Round
All pro talent, next level coverage ability and ball skills. Coming off injury. Character concerns - gave a guy an OTPHJ prior to combine. Also smoked weed.
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Cardinals need to trade up with us for DeShaun Watson
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Cardinals need to trade up with us for DeShaun Watson
Got that Bowles - Cardinals connection working for us
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Joe Mixon was not invited to the NFL Combine.
Hopefully he goes undrafted and disappears forever.
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Cardinals need to trade up with us for DeShaun Watson
Yesssss. We need to also not even think about taking DeShaun Watson.
The 13th and and 45th gets it done Arizona.
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Would any pick improve the CURRENT talent at a given position on this team more than Howard would at the TE position? Not necessarily advocating for a TE at 6, just something to think about.
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Would any pick improve the CURRENT talent at a given position on this team more than Howard would at the TE position? Not necessarily advocating for a TE at 6, just something to think about.
Probably not the current talent.
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Would any pick improve the CURRENT talent at a given position on this team more than Howard would at the TE position? Not necessarily advocating for a TE at 6, just something to think about.
David Njoku would
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Joe Mixon was not invited to the NFL Combine.
Hopefully he goes undrafted and disappears forever.
Pats will class him up.
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Yesssss. We need to also not even think about taking DeShaun Watson.
The 13th and and 45th gets it done Arizona.
I may be more inclined to go for their 2018 first round pick instead of the 2nd... If this season plays out like many think it will, that extra first would be huge if we needed to move up in the draft to grab a QB.
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I may be more inclined to go for their 2018 first round pick instead of the 2nd... If this season plays out like many think it will, that extra first would be huge if we needed to move up in the draft to grab a QB.
Unfortunately, we'll be having to kick in extra picks if we want a first to move down 7 spots.
I bring up the 6th for 13th and 45th only because according to the draftchart, its actually a perfect match in value.
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David Njoku would
Also gonna be pretty fun when the Pats trade Garappolo to the Browns for #12 and draft Njoku.
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Also gonna be pretty fun when the Pats trade Garappolo to the Browns for #12 and draft Njoku.
I would be ok with this
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If you're Cleveland or San Fran would you rather trade the #1/2 pick to NE for Garappolo or draft Trubisky/Watson?
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If you're Cleveland or San Fran would you rather trade the #1/2 pick to NE for Garappolo or draft Trubisky/Watson?
Not to mention, they'd probably have to sign Garopollo to a fairly sizeable deal since they aren't going to give up that high of a pick for one year on the cheap. If I were those teams, I'd avoid both options and wait until next year to get a QB.
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I'd trade for Garopollo. I don't know I'd do a top-2 pick for Garopollo straight-up. Maybe Garopollo and a day 2 pick?
The guy has spent years learning from Brady and McDaniels. He's also shown he can win real games. That's better than any QB you're going to draft. Could he bust? Sure. But I'd take that risk.
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Garopollo will suck derriere on another team
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The guy has spent years learning from Brady and McDaniels.
I wish this line of thinking would die. Some examples:
Brock Osweiler
Brian Hoyer
Ryan Mallett
Matt Cassell
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I wish this line of thinking would die. Some examples:
Brock Osweiler
Brian Hoyer
Ryan Mallett
Matt Cassell
Aaron Rawdjiz doe
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Aaron Rawdjiz doe
I stand corrected
SAD!
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If you're Cleveland or San Fran would you rather trade the #1/2 pick to NE for Garappolo or draft Trubisky/Watson?
yes
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"The NFL Network's Charley Casserley polled the personnel of 22 NFL teams regarding their preferred quarterback, with Clemson's Deshaun Watson receiving the most votes with nine.
Watson led the field in Casserley's informal poll, followed up closely by North Carolina QB Mitchell Trubisky. Trubisky received eight votes. Of the remaining five votes, Texas Tech's Pat Mahomes drew two while the remaining three clubs polled checked in undecided. That is bad juju for Notre Dame QB DeShone Kizer, who received no votes at all."
Source: NFL.com Mar 21 - 9:58 PM
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Mahomes over Kizer all day long
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"The NFL Network's Charley Casserley polled the personnel of 22 NFL teams regarding their preferred quarterback, with Clemson's Deshaun Watson receiving the most votes with nine.
Watson led the field in Casserley's informal poll, followed up closely by North Carolina QB Mitchell Trubisky. Trubisky received eight votes. Of the remaining five votes, Texas Tech's Pat Mahomes drew two while the remaining three clubs polled checked in undecided. That is bad juju for Notre Dame QB DeShone Kizer, who received no votes at all."
Source: NFL.com Mar 21 - 9:58 PM
PRRRRRRRRRTTTTT
Don't give a freak - this doesn't mean a damn thing. NFL offseason is full of this crap.
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I wish this line of thinking would die. Some examples:
Brock Osweiler
Brian Hoyer
Ryan Mallett
Matt Cassell
I thank you for this post.
Garoppolo isn't worth more than a late 2nd IMO. The idea of a high first is absurd.
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Garoppolo isn't worth more than a late 2nd IMO. The idea of a high first is absurd.
I disagree with this a little bit.
Garoppolo was a second round pick. He's had a few seasons to develop in the NFL and he has some starting experience. He's better than any QB in this draft class.
To me, that means his stock rises to at least an early second to a late first rounder. If he wasn't on the Patriots, people wouldn't care as much about what he's going to be traded for. They just always do this bullshit.
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I disagree with this a little bit.
Garoppolo was a second round pick. He's had a few seasons to develop in the NFL and he has some starting experience. He's better than any QB in this draft class.
To me, that means his stock rises to at least an early second to a late first rounder. If he wasn't on the Patriots, people wouldn't care as much about what he's going to be traded for. They just always do this bullshit.
Where they were selected does not equate to their value. Geno Smith was a 2nd round pick as well.
I think Garoppolo will have a decent NFL career but I am cautious that he's been over valued. I can see the Pats fleecing another team and Garoppolo being out of the league in three years.
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Where they were selected does not equate to their value. Geno Smith was a 2nd round pick as well.
Maybe not, but it is a good starting point.
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Where they were selected does not equate to their value.
You don't get what I'm saying.
He's proven that he was worth that pick, in my opinion. He fell further than he should have. His value has risen.
Smith's value took a hit. Had he come in and performed well, his value obviously would be different.
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You don't get what I'm saying.
He's proven that he was worth that pick, in my opinion. He fell further than he should have. His value has risen.
Smith's value took a hit. Had he come in and performed well, his value obviously would be different.
I get what you're saying, I just don't buy into Garoppolo's inflated value. Maybe I just don't want to believe Pats have developed another damn franchise QB.
Anyway I decided to compare Garp's stats to Cassel's during his season with New England:
(http://i.imgur.com/nPsEZ8Z.png)
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Bowles and Maccagnan are at the Ohio State Pro Day
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Saw the Jets met with Nathan Peterman from Pitt. Might fit the "draft a QB every year" mid round pick mold.
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Saw the Jets met with Nathan Peterman from Pitt. Might fit the "draft a QB every year" mid round pick mold.
3rd round
They also met with Patrick Towles, a QB that is absolutely terrible...
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3rd round
We have two 3rds now.
Pro style experience. NFL.com comparison is Derek Carr. I don't read anything into that, but a certain someone got a reflex boner just now
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Pro style experience. NFL.com comparison is Derek Carr. I don't read anything into that, but a certain someone got a reflex boner just now
I don't see how he compares to Derek Carr - I saw NFL.com compare the two and it was a head scratcher. They have different styles and Carr came out of a version of the air raid offense, he was just very strong with protections and reads because he made almost all of his own play calls.
Peterman reminds me of Kirk Cousins.
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I don't see how he compares to Derek Carr - I saw NFL.com compare the two and it was a head scratcher. They have different styles and Carr came out of a version of the air raid offense, he was just very strong with protections and reads because he made almost all of his own play calls.
Peterman reminds me of Kirk Cousins.
I haven't seen him play at all, just doing some reading.
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Peterman isn't good
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Peterman isn't good
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PRRRRRRRRRTTTTT
Don't give a freak - this doesn't mean a damn thing. NFL offseason is full of this crap.
"Cal QB Davis Webb told CBS Sports' Sean Wagner-McGough that "numerous" teams have been telling him that he is a first-round talent."
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"Cal QB Davis Webb told CBS Sports' Sean Wagner-McGough that "numerous" teams have been telling him that he is a first-round talent."
Hope not the Jets.
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...smokescreen!
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...smokescreen!
You notice how nobody is talking about DeShone Kizer right now? Pencil him in as the #1.
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I was mostly anti-Deshaun Watson before, but the more I watch, the more I read, and the more I think about the position, the more he intrigues me.
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I was mostly anti-Deshaun Watson before, but the more I watch, the more I read, and the more I think about the position, the more he intrigues me.
Why? I think he has the ceiling of Geno Smith....
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I don't see how he compares to Derek Carr - I saw NFL.com compare the two and it was a head scratcher. They have different styles and Carr came out of a version of the air raid offense, he was just very strong with protections and reads because he made almost all of his own play calls.
Peterman reminds me of Kirk Cousins.
I agree. Kirk Cousins is the comparison for Peterman. There were times I'd watch Peterman at Pittsburgh where he was extremely impressive, looking like an NFL quarterback. He comes from more of a pro-style offense than most of the others in this draft. He's not an elite athlete, but he's good enough.
People say that Bryce Petty's upside is a backup quarterback. I never really agreed with that - he had the tools to be a starter, but I never thought he'd get there because I thought he was too far away. Peterman is more of that guy who projects to be a good backup or an average starter - kind of like I thought Kirk Cousins would be coming out.
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Why? I think he has the ceiling of Geno Smith....
WBTG
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Why? I think he has the ceiling of Geno Smith....
My issues with Geno coming out of college - did his teammates like him? Did he have the ability to be a leader in the locker room? Can he raise the play of his teammates? I never wanted him in the 1st round for those reasons. I sold myself on him in the 2nd round because we needed a QB, and the value wasn't terrible. I thought Geno was a guy we needed to develop for a few years and see what we had in him. Instead, we did the exact opposite, though part of it was due to injuries, both to Geno and to Sanchez.
Athletically, Watson is actually pretty similar to Geno. If you look at Geno Smith's MockDraftable measurables, his 2nd-closest athletic comparison is Deshaun Watson. Both also come from offenses that don't exactly prepare you for the pros, and both had great weapons that made them look better.
But that's where the comparisons stop. Watson is a proven leader who has played his best football in the biggest games. Geno sulked on the sideline when things went wrong.
I have concerns about Watson's accuracy, but it reminds me a bit of how I felt about Marcus Mariota coming out. Mariota started a couple years, so I started to nitpick his flaws. Same with Watson - he's played for a couple years, so as a result, he has some bad tape. Kizer and Trubisky didn't play that much, so there's less bad tape (at least for Trubisky).
I don't want Watson at 6, but I think when all is said and done, he might end up being my #1 QB in this draft, though Mahomes and Kizer intrigue me as well. Trubisky would be #4 for me. I'm going to dive into some DraftBreakdown tapes once college basketball season ends and I have more time. That's when I'll make my final judgments on these guys.
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the more I read
At least you can do that because Watson sure can't
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At least you can do that because Watson sure can't
That's racist.
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My issues with Geno coming out of college - did his teammates like him? Did he have the ability to be a leader in the locker room? Can he raise the play of his teammates? I never wanted him in the 1st round for those reasons. I sold myself on him in the 2nd round because we needed a QB, and the value wasn't terrible. I thought Geno was a guy we needed to develop for a few years and see what we had in him. Instead, we did the exact opposite, though part of it was due to injuries, both to Geno and to Sanchez.
Athletically, Watson is actually pretty similar to Geno. If you look at Geno Smith's MockDraftable measurables, his 2nd-closest athletic comparison is Deshaun Watson. Both also come from offenses that don't exactly prepare you for the pros, and both had great weapons that made them look better.
But that's where the comparisons stop. Watson is a proven leader who has played his best football in the biggest games. Geno sulked on the sideline when things went wrong.
I have concerns about Watson's accuracy, but it reminds me a bit of how I felt about Marcus Mariota coming out. Mariota started a couple years, so I started to nitpick his flaws. Same with Watson - he's played for a couple years, so as a result, he has some bad tape. Kizer and Trubisky didn't play that much, so there's less bad tape (at least for Trubisky).
I don't want Watson at 6, but I think when all is said and done, he might end up being my #1 QB in this draft, though Mahomes and Kizer intrigue me as well. Trubisky would be #4 for me. I'm going to dive into some DraftBreakdown tapes once college basketball season ends and I have more time. That's when I'll make my final judgments on these guys.
I dont see Watson as a proven leader at all. Watson came up short in most of his big games his team just made up for it in other areas most of the time. He had Bamas number twice for sure but those where the only games he stepped up his game in. Watching that Ohio State and that Oklahoma game he did not look good in any way. His week 1 vs Auburn was just horrid and it wasnt great play vs FSU, Pitts, or Louisville. He had an all star team around him and he just ended up with great stats anyway. He has great talent but still needs to prove he can lead a team IMO.
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I'm not saying I don't think Watson can develop into an above average QB, I'm saying its going to take time and excellent coaching. Neither of which imho are luxuries we can currently afford a young QB.
Best case scenario for him is that the rumors of Arians having affinity for the kid are true and he can go sit in the desert under Carson for at least a year.
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I'm not saying I don't think Watson can develop into an above average QB, I'm saying its going to take time and excellent coaching. Neither of which imho are luxuries we can currently afford a young QB.
Best case scenario for him is that the rumors of Arians having affinity for the kid are true and he can go sit in the desert under Carson for at least a year.
What QB in this draft doesn't need time? Kizer and Tribisky are relatively inexperienced. Mahomes and Webb come from air raid offenses and have a ton to learn.
Like I said, I will watch more of these guys when my work schedule clears up next week but I am more open to Watson being a late 1st now than I was before.
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Why? I think he has the ceiling of Geno Smith....
That is entirely unfair. You can say that they came out of hand holding offenses. Apparently that's a big negative for both.
They both have big arms and can make all the throws. That's a positve for both.
As far as making something happen with his legs when things go south? Watson by a mile.
As far as leadership? Watson by a light year.
Geno is hot garbage with a NFL arm poking out.
Watson will win with some NFL team, and he will win alot.
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I dont see Watson as a proven leader at all. Watson came up short in most of his big games his team just made up for it in other areas most of the time. He had Bamas number twice for sure but those where the only games he stepped up his game in. Watching that Ohio State and that Oklahoma game he did not look good in any way. His week 1 vs Auburn was just horrid and it wasnt great play vs FSU, Pitts, or Louisville. He had an all star team around him and he just ended up with great stats anyway. He has great talent but still needs to prove he can lead a team IMO.
If he came up short in most of his big games they wouldn't have made back to back champioships. He also wouldn't have come in second in Heisman voting to a guy that made zero. That is a pretty absurd statement.
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At least you can do that because Watson sure can't
He graduated with a year and a half left of eligibility. I know you were talking reading coverages, but lets not confuse the fact that he was a good student.
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He graduated with a year and a half left of eligibility. I know you were talking reading coverages, but lets not confuse the fact that he was a good student.
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But how did he take exams with you riding his dick?
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But how did he take exams with you riding his dick?
He's a multi tasker.
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But how did he take exams with you riding his dick?
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That's racist.
Ok so can Geno Smith read?
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RGIII was 10x the prospect Watson is. RGIII sucks.
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RGIII was 10x the prospect Watson is. RGIII sucks.
In fairness, RG3 was a franchise guy up until his 753rd injury.
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In fairness, RG3 was a franchise guy up until his 753rd injury.
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Yeah thats false. RG3's success was predicated on the system that he was in. Year 2 he got eaten alive because people caught onto the offense and understood all he did was throw screens and to his first read. Dude's average for yards per pass past the line of scrimmage was the lowest in the league
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Yeah thats false. RG3's success was predicated on the system that he was in. Year 2 he got eaten alive because people caught onto the offense and understood all he did was throw screens and to his first read. Dude's average for yards per pass past the line of scrimmage was the lowest in the league
Yeah, and just by coincidence in between his first and second season his athleticism magically went away, meaning teams didn't have to respect the running threat anymore
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How would you guys feel if we traded back into the first for Patrick Mahomes?
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How would you guys feel if we traded back into the first for Patrick Mahomes?
I don't know enough about him to judge, but I'd be quite happy not to draft a QB at all this year unless they plan to bail on Petty. Too many projects in the oven. Let alone giving up picks when we should be aquiring them.
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I don't know enough about him to judge, but I'd be quite happy not to draft a QB at all this year unless they plan to bail on Petty. Too many projects in the oven. Let alone giving up picks when we should be aquiring them.
The only way I'd be OK with it is if we paired Christian Hackenberg with our second and sent that package to Houston for 25. It's highly unlikely they'd take that, but that's just the only scenario I'd be OK with.
It's too soon to give up on Hackenberg. If we were to take another QB, especially one in the first round, Maccagnan would basically be admitting to missing on a very important pick.
If Mahomes falls to our pick in the second round, then that's an entirely different story...
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What's so special about Mahomes? Legit question.
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The only way I'd be OK with it is if we paired Christian Hackenberg with our second and sent that package to Houston for 25. It's highly unlikely they'd take that, but that's just the only scenario I'd be OK with.
It's too soon to give up on Hackenberg. If we were to take another QB, especially one in the first round, Maccagnan would basically be admitting to missing on a very important pick.
If Mahomes falls to our pick in the second round, then that's an entirely different story...
That scenario would make me happier than just drafting Mahomes. We can't have 3 project guys on the roster. To my eye, Petty looked like a guy who can be an NFL backup and hold the fort for a couple of weeks if he has a solid team of playmakers around him. So I wouldn't want to get rid of him for nothing. Hack or Mahomes is kind of the same thing at this point IMO. Exceptional arm talent and coming from a excrement offense, but Mahomes has some serious swagger and belief in himself. Thats roughly the equivalent IMO of Hack +1 year of NFL experience, as a guy with exceptional art talent coming from a pro-style offense, but with a broken clock due to that shitty Penn State OL, who is now on his 3rd system in 3 years.
What I am terrified of is repeating the Geno Smith mistake. Taking a QB in a bad year for QBs that leads to us not taking a QB in a stronger QB class the following year because "we haven't had enough time to evaluate if X player can be the guy or not." Then we are waiting even longer for a real crack at a franchise guy.
What I want more than anything is to just stand pat at QB in 2017, suck if we are going to suck, and build this teams foundations so that in 2018 we can go all in for one of these potentially elite QBs. I would also like to build up 2018 assets if possible to make it easier to trade up for a QB if we need to, and if we are in a position to grab one on our own, we can use those assets to build around the new kid.
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How would you guys feel if we traded back into the first for Patrick Mahomes?
Not terrible.
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How would you guys feel if we traded back into the first for Patrick Mahomes?
Cool with it. Mahomes is my #2 QB right now.
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What's so special about Mahomes? Legit question.
canon arm and he's an elite athlete for the position
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canon arm and he's an elite athlete for the position
kyle boller?
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kyle boller?
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Kyle Boller couldn't run like Mahomes
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How would you guys feel if we traded back into the first for Patrick Mahomes?
Depends who's left on the board and what we gave up
His footwork is pretty ugly , that system leaves Morton work cut out for him transitioning Mahommes to WCO
The kid has a ton of talent though.
If rather have him than freaking Kizer, that's for sure
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Knowing nothing about Mahomes whatsoever, here's my opinion: I'm okay drafting a QB every year until we find "the one." If the staff feels confident enough in their evaluation of a player, pull the trigger, even if you have to trade up to do it.
The reason to me that Geno was a mistake isn't as simple as "he wasn't good." The problem was two-fold:
1) The way Idzik wrecked both his and Sanchez's careers with one stupid directive in a meaningless game.
2) The decision that they wouldn't then take another QB the next year regardless of who was on the roster the following year.
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Petty is the epitome of a backup QB. And that is totally OK. Treat him as such, and I hope he is here for 10 years.
Duff already said he'd keep 4 QBs if necessary, and has said he has no problem drafting a QB every year.
Translation... He will be drafting a QB at some point. Until we find the one, there is no reason not to carry a vet, a backup, and two kids.
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Depends who's left on the board and what we gave up
His footwork is pretty ugly , that system leaves Morton work cut out for him transitioning Mahommes to WCO
The kid has a ton of talent though.
If rather have him than freaking Kizer, that's for sure
The more i think about Kizer the more I think hes Logan Thomas. All the tools none of the brains/work ethic to make it big.
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Petty is the epitome of a backup QB. And that is totally OK. Treat him as such, and I hope he is here for 10 years.
Duff already said he'd keep 4 QBs if necessary, and has said he has no problem drafting a QB every year.
Translation... He will be drafting a QB at some point. Until we find the one, there is no reason not to carry a vet, a backup, and two kids.
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But do you want 3 kids and McCown ? Two second rounders? How can he justify taking a 1st round QB in 2018 if he trades up for Mahommes in 2017?
I just wanna stay out of it in 2017, build the rest of the squad and then go get our guy in 2018 paying whatever we have to pay to do it.
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Charles Harris needs to be a Jet
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Charles Harris needs to be a Jet
he tweeted yesterday that the Jets are one of the teams he's in constant contact with.
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But do you want 3 kids and McCown ? Two second rounders? How can he justify taking a 1st round QB in 2018 if he trades up for Mahommes in 2017?
I just wanna stay out of it in 2017, build the rest of the squad and then go get our guy in 2018 paying whatever we have to pay to do it.
Petty is the backup in my equation. Need another kid to round out a stable of 4. If a guy like Mahones is staring at you at the top of round 3, no reason not to take a chance. Top of round 2 or a trade back into round 2, hell no.
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Charles Harris needs to be a Jet
He's listed as a DE, but definately built like an OLB. Never seen him play. How is he without his hand in the dirt?
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If a guy like Mahones is staring at you at the top of round 3, no reason not to take a chance.
Patrick Mahomes is probably going in the first round. If he makes it out of the first, he'll go near the top of the second.
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He's listed as a DE, but definately built like an OLB. Never seen him play. How is he without his hand in the dirt?
Great first step, has a dominant spin move. Besides Myles Garrett, I think he's the most athletic pass rusher in this class.
If we move back, I'd like the Jets to consider Harris, Haason Reddick, or Jabrill Peppers.
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Great first step, has a dominant spin move. Besides Myles Garrett, I think he's the most athletic pass rusher in this class.
If we move back, I'd like the Jets to consider Harris, Haason Reddick, or Jabrill Peppers.
Think Harris will be long gone by the 2nd round?
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Odd question, but do you guys think McCaffery would be a top 10 pick if he wasn't white?
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Odd question, but do you guys think McCaffery would be a top 10 pick if the Pats had a top 10 pick?
Yes
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Odd question, but do you guys think McCaffery would be a top 10 pick if he wasn't white?
I'm almost positive he would be
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Patrick Mahomes is probably going in the first round. If he makes it out of the first, he'll go near the top of the second.
Would be weird taking a QB at the top of the 2nd, but I wouldn't complain at all. As long as we get an immediate starter in the 1st.
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Would be weird taking a QB at the top of the 2nd, but I wouldn't complain at all.
Considering he's not ready to play at all, it would be. That would be back to back seconds used on QBs that aren't ready to contribute right away.
It'd be nice if we could finally strike gold in the second round for once.
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Jamal Adams just ran a 4.38 at this pro day...
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Jamal Adams just ran a 4.38 at this pro day...
Even aside from that, I don't see him making it to 6 unless 2 QBs go before us.
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Even aside from that, I don't see him making it to 6 unless 2 QBs go before us.
I think he goes in the top four
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Think Harris will be long gone by the 2nd round?
I think he could be. Myles Garrett, Jonathan Allen, Thomas Solomon are top 10 picks. Derek Barnett, Haason Reddick, Tim Williams and Takkarist McKinley are all surefire first rounders. If guys like Carl Lawson and Taco Charlton go in the 1st, then I could see Harris being there in the 2nd.
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How would you guys feel if we traded back into the first for Patrick Mahomes?
I'm pretty sure Mahomes will finish as my favorite QB in this draft. That's weird for me to say, since I hate QBs from Texas Tech. But he's got so much talent. His footwork isn't great, but his feet are also extremely quick for a QB, so he has high upside there if he figures it out. He can make every throw, he's got great confidence, he can make plays on the move, he's got a great pump fake and he's a great competitor. I think he's got a chance to be a special QB.
I still might change my mind 100 more times since April is when I really start to have time to watch tape from an NFL Draft perspective. But unless I sell myself on Watson or Kizer being a star, I don't think anyone has the abilities Mahomes has.
And given the outlandishness of the quarterback market in recent years, drafting a QB in the 1st round gives you a cost-controlled player for 5 years at a position that you normally have to spend a ton of money for.
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If we take a QB this year, I hope it's Mahomes or Peterman
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we can forget about Jamal Adams, he's lighting it up at his Pro Day. I doubt he'll be there at 6.
Bowles is in attendance at least.
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It'd be nice if we could finally strike gold in the second round for once.
They need to big time.
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we can forget about Jamal Adams, he's lighting it up at his Pro Day. I doubt he'll be there at 6.
Bowles is in attendance at least.
You never know. Also,
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You never know. Also,
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Fournette is on top of my wish list. But I'm wondering if he gets past Jacksonville.
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Fournette is on top of my wish list. But I'm wondering if he gets past Jacksonville.
I feel like one of 2 good things will happen for the Jets. Either someone we want/need like Hooker, Adams, or Fournette will fall to us at 6 or all 3 will be gone and we'll be getting calls for a trade for one of the D-linemen left at 6. Even better- a QB goes before 6.
Here's what will happen. Jets are on the clock at 6. Hooker still available along with Jonathan Allen. Maccagnan rejects all trade back calls from multiple teams and selects.....Trubisky. Ugh.
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I'd rather take Pat Mahomes at 6 than Leonard Fournette.
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I'd rather take Pat Mahomes at 6 than Leonard Fournette.
kill yourself
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I'd rather take Pat Mahomes at 6 than Leonard Fournette.
i was like wtf when i read this...then i realized it was Geno's biggest fan that posted it.
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kill yourself
I knew this was coming
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That's more of a statement about how little I want a running back at 6 than how much I want a QB in that spot. Mahomes isn't in my top 6, but he's probably my favorite QB in this draft.
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I don't want RB so let's massively reach for a project QB
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I don't want RB so let's massively reach for a project QB
this
c'mon Mack.
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Ian Rapoport
#Jets have a bunch of big-time defensive draft prospects in for visits today & tomorrow: #OhioSt S Malik Hooker & #Mizzou DE Charles Harris.
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yeah boi
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yeah boi
....with the number 6 pick of the 2017 NFL draft, the Jets select......Deshone Kizer. (JO closes site)
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....with the number 6 pick of the 2017 NFL draft, the Jets select......Deshone Kizer. (JO closes site)
*Winnipeg, MB randomly burns to the ground*
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Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer · 9m9 minutes ago
Source: #Giants, #Jets send scouts to check in on Baylor WR K.D. Cannon http://www.metro.us/Giants-Jets-Scouting-Baylor-WR-Cannon#.WOalh2B2D3s.twitter … via @Metro_US
Kraft Dinner Cannon is a great name for a WR
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Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer · 9m9 minutes ago
Source: #Giants, #Jets send scouts to check in on Baylor WR K.D. Cannon http://www.metro.us/Giants-Jets-Scouting-Baylor-WR-Cannon#.WOalh2B2D3s.twitter … via @Metro_US
Kraft Dinner Cannon is a great name for a WR
Killer Duff Cannon
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If the Jets don't go Hooker or Adams at 6, thoughts on Marcus Williams int the third round? I like my ballhawking safeties even if he has less than ideal weight
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How high would you take Sidney Jones and just stash him until next year?
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How high would you take Sidney Jones and just stash him until next year?
This is a good question. We aren't in a position to compete this year. So a guy that can redshirt, learn an NFL system and has tons of talent that can contribute next year should be very attractive to us.
There are really only two types of teams that can afford to take Jones before the third round, 1. Teams already fully loaded and won't need rookie contributions to compete this year. 2. Teams that won't be super competitive anyways, so getting top talent later in the draft than usual is paramount, even if it takes a year or two to see dividends.
In my eyes we fall into category 2, which is very unenviable and annoying, but that's where we are as a franchise. So I think we could take Jones in the third, or even trade down in the 2nd and do it.
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This is a good question. We aren't in a position to compete this year. So a guy that can redshirt, learn an NFL system and has tons of talent that can contribute next year should be very attractive to us.
There are really only two types of teams that can afford to take Jones before the third round, 1. Teams already fully loaded and won't need rookie contributions to compete this year. 2. Teams that won't be super competitive anyways, so getting top talent later in the draft than usual is paramount, even if it takes a year or two to see dividends.
In my eyes we fall into category 2, which is very unenviable and annoying, but that's where we are as a franchise. So I think we could take Jones in the third, or even trade down in the 2nd and do it.
I doubt he'll make it to the 3rd.
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How high would you take Sidney Jones and just stash him until next year?
We need players that can play and develop now. I wouldn't be mad if we took Jones, but this is such a deep DB group that I'd worry about wasting a pick on a player that may never return to form.
Grab a kid that can play now.
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How high would you take Sidney Jones and just stash him until next year?
I wouldn't spend a 2 on him. Ours is practically a 1.
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I wouldn't spend a 2 on him. Ours is practically a 1.
I wouldn't even want to spend our first third rounder on him.
Look at all of the talented DBs that could be available in the second and third rounds: Kevin King, Adoree Jackson, Fabian Moreau, Cordrea Tankersley, Teez Tabor, Chidobe Awuzie, Quincy Wilson...that's just corners.
Teez Tabor is a baller. The 40 time is going to push him down a little bit - someone is going to get a steal. I hope it's the Jets.
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I wouldn't even want to spend our first third rounder on him.
Look at all of the talented DBs that could be available in the second and third rounds: Kevin King, Adoree Jackson, Fabian Moreau, Cordrea Tankersley, Teez Tabor, Chidobe Awuzie, Quincy Wilson...that's just corners.
Teez Tabor is a baller. The 40 time is going to push him down a little bit - someone is going to get a steal. I hope it's the Jets.
I agree about Tabor. I thought he was overrated when people thought he was going to be a top 10-15 pick, but after the poor 40 time, he'd be a steal in the 2nd or 3rd round.
That's a big reason I can't get behind Lattimore or any CB at 6. Why take Lattimore at 6 when you can get King or Tankersley or Adoree or Conley or someone else in the 2nd round?
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I agree about Tabor. I thought he was overrated when people thought he was going to be a top 10-15 pick, but after the poor 40 time, he'd be a steal in the 2nd or 3rd round.
That's a big reason I can't get behind Lattimore or any CB at 6. Why take Lattimore at 6 when you can get King or Tankersley or Adoree or Conley or someone else in the 2nd round?
Thoughts about doubling up in the secondary in rounds 1 and 2 with some combo of Adams/Hooker and Jackson/King/Tabor?
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Shuld the Jet's "Double down"?
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Shuld the Jet's "Double down"?
Should the Jets double penetrate the first round?
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Nathan Peterman said he listens to worship music before games...
#NotMyQuarterback
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Nathan Peterman said he listens to worship music before games...
#NotMyQuarterback
Nathan Peterman sounds like a tax attorney.
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Nathan Peterman sounds like a tax attorney.
Nathan Peterman sounds like a taxidermist
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There's some dumbass skills competition on on ESPN2. Lot of talent, Mahomes, Delvin Cook, Haason Reddick
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What's the thoughts on Howard in the first?
I'm sure it's been discussed to death, and I'd imagine that everybody us against it
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What's the thoughts on Howard in the first?
I'm sure it's been discussed to death, and I'd imagine that everybody us against it
I said earlier today that he's the way I'm currently leaning.
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What's the thoughts on Howard in the first?
I'm sure it's been discussed to death, and I'd imagine that everybody us against it
I wouldn't hate it, but he wouldnt be on my list of preferred picks.
I would much rather trade back (yes, I know, you need a partner...) and draft Njoku. I think he may end up being a better player of the two.
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I don't want a freaking tight end at #6. That's just not a smart pick in my opinion. That's looking at the entire history of the NFL unless you think the Jets are going to buck that trend over the last 50 years of pro football. There aren't any trends the Jets buck. No TE's at 6.
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I don't want a freaking tight end at #6. That's just not a smart pick in my opinion. That's looking at the entire history of the NFL unless you think the Jets are going to buck that trend over the last 50 years of pro football. There aren't any trends the Jets buck. No TE's at 6.
i hope we draft a TE at 6...and then trade back into the 1st round to take another TE.
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i hope trade up to #1 for a TE. A TE that abhors discussing shoes on the internet.
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I just took him for the Buccaneers in the mock, but one of my favorite sleeper WRs is Josh Reynolds of Texas A&M. He might not be a good fit for the Jets, since he's basically a slightly better Robby Anderson, but I think he'll make an impact somewhere.
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i hope we draft a TE at 6...and then trade back into the 1st round to take another TE.
You two are just mad Chick Fil-A doesn't serve your kind, bundles of sticks.
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You two are just mad Chick Fil-A doesn't serve your kind, bundles of sticks.
veto
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What's the thoughts on Howard in the first?
I'm sure it's been discussed to death, and I'd imagine that everybody us against it
Sure, he's a first round talent, but we should be able to land a better player at 6.
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While I'd be fine with Howard at 6, this is also the best tight end class that has been produced in several years. I could see Howard, Njoku, Hodges, Engram, and Cethan Carter are all guys I like a lot, and I hope we end up with one of them.
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While I'd be fine with Howard at 6, this is also the best tight end class that has been produced in several years. I could see Howard, Njoku, Hodges, Engram, and Cethan Carter are all guys I like a lot, and I hope we end up with one of them.
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Cethan Carter
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Lol
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If we take a quarterback this year, I hope that it's Davis Webb.
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If we take a quarterback this year, I hope that it's Davis Webb.
how come?
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If we take a quarterback this year, I hope that it's Davis Webb.
The guy from the Leprechaun movies?
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how come?
Prototypical size, highly intelligent, deceptively strong arm, and he throws a nice deep ball...plus, he won't cost us a first round pick. He played in two very unconventional offenses in college, but he has a skillset that fits the NFL QB mold.
Elected a captain by teammates at two different schools, so he's obviously well liked and respected by the guys playing with him. I just like his game and the way that carries himself. Reminds me a lot of Derek Carr, especially as a touch passer.
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"The Sporting News' Eric Galko passes along that Missouri edge rusher Charles Harris has received "multiple" top-10 grades.
Galko, himself, expects Harris to be drafted within the first 15 picks. The analyst pegs his draft ceiling as high as the No. 6 pick to the Jets and does not believe that the 6-foot-3, 260-pounder will fall further than the Colts at No. 15. Not everybody sees matters so ebulliently. Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline, for one, did not have Harris sliding off the board until pick No. 58 (to the Seahawks) in his most recent four-round mock draft. We would tend more toward Galko's assessment of Harris as a potential top-15 pick than we would Pauline's more conservative second-round evaluation."
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lol Tony Pauline
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I've been listening to alot of draft podcasts and people keep complaining about Mike Williams route running which makes sense given the offense Clemson runs.
Do you guys think this is a real risk? Past Clemson wide recievers have been fine thus far, but I'm not sure Williams is as talented as Nuk, Bryant, Watkins
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I've been listening to alot of draft podcasts and people keep complaining about Mike Williams route running which makes sense given the offense Clemson runs.
Do you guys think this is a real risk? Past Clemson wide recievers have been fine thus far, but I'm not sure Williams is as talented as Nuk, Bryant, Watkins
Martavis Bryant can only run one route.
Mike Williams has tons of talent - his route running is fine and he is dominant as a possession receiver. If he didn't get hurt in 2015, he'd be considered a Top 5 pick right now.
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lol Tony Pauline
such a hack
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Martavis Bryant can only run one route.
Mike Williams has tons of talent - his route running is fine and he is dominant as a possession receiver. If he didn't get hurt in 2015, he'd be considered a Top 5 pick right now.
I definitely agree that Williams is a far superior prospect than MBryant was.
IMO, Watkins and Nuk were better draft prospects (esp Watkins). I think Williams has Dez Bryant-type best-case-scenario upside, but I'm not blown away enough to be super excited with taking him at 6.
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Alabama ILB Reuben Foster failed his Combine drug test.
Foster's sample was diluted, which counts as a failed test. He's now in the league's substance-abuse program. Foster claims he failed the test because he was extremely ill and taking in an exceptional amount of fluids. This adds to a nightmare Combine for Foster, who was sent home after getting into an altercation with a hospital worker. Foster is recovering from shoulder surgery. Foster is an elite talent, but could fall to Day 2 because of his growing off-the-field concerns.
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Alabama ILB Reuben Foster failed his Combine drug test.
Foster's sample was diluted, which counts as a failed test. He's now in the league's substance-abuse program. Foster claims he failed the test because he was extremely ill and taking in an exceptional amount of fluids. This adds to a nightmare Combine for Foster, who was sent home after getting into an altercation with a hospital worker. Foster is recovering from shoulder surgery. Foster is an elite talent, but could fall to Day 2 because of his growing off-the-field concerns.
Come to Duff in the second......
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"NFL.com draft analyst Lance Zierlein reports there is "buzz" Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey will be the only running backs selected in the first round.
That would mean Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara, and Joe Mixon all falling out of the first round. Kamara has production questions and Mixon has serious off-field concerns, so it will not be a surprise if they fall. However, Cook lasting until the second day would be a shock. Zierlein writes Cook is "clearly a first-rounder based on talent alone," but some teams have "concerns surrounding durability and character" while others are worried about his testing numbers. Cook tested as a ninth-percentile SPARQ athlete at the Combine."
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"Florida State's Dalvin Cook and LSU's Leonard Fournette reportedly scored a 12 on the Wonderlic test, which is given at the NFL combine each year to draft prospects. Oklahoma's Joe Mixon and NC State's Matt Dayes each had 12s.
The Wonderlic scores were reported by the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel as part of its pre-draft running back analysis. Not all of the running backs' Wonderlic results were posted. Some others: Tennessee's Alvin Kamara had a 24, while Stanford's Christian McCaffrey had a 21."
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Mel Kiper's 3 round mock has Dalvin Cook at 49 to the redskins
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Mel Kiper's 3 round mock has Dalvin Cook at 49 to the redskins
I think there's a very realistic chance that he could fall, especially if Christian McCaffrey comes off the board first.
Even with what Zeke did this year, the position is still undervalued and his off the field stuff probably has him down on a lot of boards.
I'll take him in the second...
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I think there's a very realistic chance that he could fall, especially if Christian McCaffrey comes off the board first.
Even with what Zeke did this year, the position is still undervalued and his off the field stuff probably has him down on a lot of boards.
I'll take him in the second...
I don't think it's a stretch that McCaffery comes off the board first, I just find it hard to think that he makes it back to our pick. Please happen
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I don't think it's a stretch that McCaffery comes off the board first, I just find it hard to think that he makes it back to our pick. Please happen
We'll probably pass on him for a QB and I will kill myself
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We'll probably pass on him for a QB and I will kill myself
I would be ok with it for Mahomes but he's not making it out of the 1st so it would be for Kizer or Watson so yes I would kill myself
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"Florida State's Dalvin Cook and LSU's Leonard Fournette reportedly scored a 12 on the Wonderlic test, which is given at the NFL combine each year to draft prospects. Oklahoma's Joe Mixon and NC State's Matt Dayes each had 12s.
The Wonderlic scores were reported by the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel as part of its pre-draft running back analysis. Not all of the running backs' Wonderlic results were posted. Some others: Tennessee's Alvin Kamara had a 24, while Stanford's Christian McCaffrey had a 21."
RB isn't a position I particularly care too much how smart a player is, even if those numbers are accurate or even reflect their intelligence at all. Just hand big dummy the ball and let his instincts take over.
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We'll probably pass on him for a QB and I will kill myself
There are a growing number of scenarios that end in your suicide with this draft.
RB isn't a position I particularly care too much how smart a player is, even if those numbers are accurate or even reflect their intelligence at all. Just hand big dummy the ball and let his instincts take over.
Yeah, I really don't see the point of having a particularly brilliant RB. "Take ball, avoid tackles." What else does he need to think about?
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Chris Johnson is the dumbest man alive and look what he did in the NFL.
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I think there's a very realistic chance that he could fall, especially if Christian McCaffrey comes off the board first.
Even with what Zeke did this year, the position is still undervalued and his off the field stuff probably has him down on a lot of boards.
I'll take him in the second...
If be kinda pissed if we pass on him with our 2nd unless someone unbelievable is still around.
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Article on Lattimore and his hamstrings
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/nfl_draft/420012263.html
I wonder where Lattimore would stand draftwise if he had no hamstring issues historically?
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Article on Lattimore and his hamstrings
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/nfl_draft/420012263.html
I wonder where Lattimore would stand draftwise if he had no hamstring issues historically?
Top 3
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Chris Johnson is the dumbest man alive and look what he did in the NFL.
Are we sure he's smarter than emmitt smith?
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I would never take Dalvin Cook at 6, or at 12, but with our 2nd-round pick, sign me up.
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I would never take Dalvin Cook at 6, or at 12, but with our 2nd-round pick, sign me up.
I would take him at 6 if we are considering Fournette there, and I think if we go back a few months you would remember that this board was pretty close to a 50/50 split between Cook and Fournette. The combine killed his stock.
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if he falls to us in the 2nd he will break our 2nd round curse
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The Jets will take Fournette at 6 and Darvoid Cook in the second round because Jets.
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The Jets will take Fournette at 6 and Darvoid Cook in the second round because Jets.
Would I be cool with this? As retarded as it would be, I think I would be cool with this.
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Would I be cool with this? As retarded as it would be, I think I would be cool with this.
We would have the most talented RB duo... pretty much ever
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We would have the most talented RB duo... pretty much ever
Oklahoma State says no way.
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We would have the most talented RB duo... pretty much ever
LT and Turner. Johnson and White. McAlester and Bush.
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LT and Turner. Johnson and White. McAlester and Bush.
Douche McAlester...
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I would take him at 6 if we are considering Fournette there, and I think if we go back a few months you would remember that this board was pretty close to a 50/50 split between Cook and Fournette. The combine killed his stock.
I think Cook is better than Fournette. I've just made my stance on early RBs abundantly clear.
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if Dalvin Cook fell to our 2nd round pick and we passed on him. Duff can go to freaking hell.
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I'll jump on the Nate Peterman train in the 3rd or 4th if we move around picks. Intelligent, pro-style system, won't require a high pick, tortures Heismanberg with daily prayers. What's not to like? I don't think he'll make it to the 4th. I'd rather have him in the 3rd than any qb in the first. He'll probably go to a team with an established QB and be something decent in a couple of years.
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Idiot.
Rapsheet: 5 days pre-draft, #Florida DT prospect Caleb Brantley was charged in a 4/13 incident with misdemeanor assault, knocking a woman's tooth out.
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Idiot.
from 2nd round to the 5th-6th
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49ers waived WR KD Cannon.
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49ers waived WR KD Cannon.
That was quick.
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49ers waived WR KD Cannon.
Grand opening, grand closing
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https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/6c43gj/kipers_waytooearly_2018_rankings_top_draft/?st=J2WR4X45&sh=12ceb12e
This is a mix of seniors and underclassmen, but early on, I separate the two so you'll see more senior players, who are certain to be in the draft. By "underclassmen," I mean players who technically could return to school for another season. Those are true juniors and third-year sophomores. I've denoted the third-year sophomores with asterisks.
One more note: I'm still waiting to see how a few big-name quarterback transfers fare at their new schools, and so they're not included. Underclassmen Will Grier, Kyle Allen, Jarrett Stidham and Blake Barnett are prospects to keep an eye on.
On to the position rankings:
Quarterbacks Seniors
Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State
Luke Falk, Washington State
Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
Matt Linehan, Idaho
Mike White, Western Kentucky
Underclassmen
*Sam Darnold, USC
Josh Allen, Wyoming
Josh Rosen, UCLA
Lamar Jackson, Louisville
Clayton Thorson, Northwestern
Darnold (6-4, 225), Allen (6-5, 216) and Rosen (6-4, 210) were in the top seven in my way-too-early Big Board. Reigning Heisman Trophy winner Jackson (6-3, 196) is a supreme athlete but a work-in-progress as a quarterback. He needs to show major improvement as a passer in 2017. It will be fun to watch Rudolph (6-4, 217) and Mayfield (6-1, 220) duel for the Big 12 title.
Running backs Seniors
Nick Chubb, Georgia
Royce Freeman, Oregon
Akrum Wadley, Iowa
Sony Michel, Georgia
Ralph Webb, Vanderbilt
Underclassmen
Saquon Barkley, Penn State
Derrius Guice, LSU
Bo Scarbrough, Alabama
Kamryn Pettway, Auburn
Damien Harris, Alabama
Chubb (5-10, 228) was actually on my way-too-early Big Board last year, and so I'd like to see him get back to his form from 2015, when he averaged 8.1 yards per carry. The Bulldogs also have Michel (5-11, 208), who has 48 catches over the past two seasons. Scarbrough (6-2, 240) broke out in the Peach Bowl and is a physical specimen, but Harris (5-11, 205) had the better all-around season.
Fullbacks Seniors
Jaylen Samuels, NC State
Khalid Hill, Michigan
Austin Ramesh, Wisconsin
Dimitri Flowers, Oklahoma
J.D. Moore, LSU
Underclassmen
Winston Dimel, Kansas State
George Aston, Pitt
Chandler Cox, Auburn
Alec Ingold, Wisconsin
Ryan Nall, Oregon State
Samuels has 120 catches the past two seasons as a tight end for the Wolfpack, but at 5-11, 240, he'll have to move to a fullback/H-back role to make it in the NFL. Hill (6-2, 255) is more of a traditional fullback.
Wide receivers Seniors
James Washington, Oklahoma State
D.J. Chark, LSU
Darren Carrington, Oregon
Dante Pettis, Washington
Jester Weah, Pitt
Underclassmen
Christian Kirk, Texas A&M
Calvin Ridley, Alabama
Antonio Callaway, Florida
Courtland Sutton, SMU
Deon Cain, Clemson
Pettis (6-0, 177) had 15 touchdown catches last season. Sutton (6-3, 200) had 76 catches and 10 touchdowns last season and played some basketball at SMU as a freshman.
Tight ends Seniors
Mike Gesicki, Penn State
Troy Fumagalli, Wisconsin
DeAndre Goolsby, Florida
Marcus Baugh, Ohio State
Dallas Goedert, South Dakota State
Underclassmen
Mark Andrews, Oklahoma
C.J. Conrad, Kentucky
Ryan Izzo, Florida State
Dalton Schultz, Stanford
Hayden Hurst, South Carolina
Fumagalli (6-5, 233) could have a big 2017 after having only two touchdown grabs last season. Andrews (6-6, 247) has 14 career touchdowns on only 50 catches.
Offensive tackles Seniors
Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
Jamarco Jones, Ohio State
Mason Cole, Michigan
Chukwuma Okorafor, Western Michigan
Tyrell Crosby, Oregon
Underclassmen
Trey Adams, Washington
Orlando Brown, Oklahoma
Mitch Hyatt, Clemson
Brian O'Neill, Pitt
Dalton Risner, Kansas State
At 6-8, 355, Brown is massive. Hyatt (6-6, 274) is a former five-star recruit who has started at left tackle for the Tigers since Week 1 of his freshman year. Okorafor (6-5, 275) started at left tackle for the Broncos while 2016 second-round pick Taylor Moton played right tackle.
Guards Seniors
Billy Price, Ohio State
Will Hernandez, UTEP
Cody O'Connell, Washington State
Braden Smith, Auburn
Scott Quessenberry, UCLA
Underclassmen
Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame
Martez Ivey, Florida
William Clapp, LSU
Ross Pierschbacher, Alabama
Beau Benzschawel, Wisconsin
Nelson (6-5, 325) was on my preseason Big Board last year. He's incredibly powerful. Price (6-4, 305) has already started three seasons for the Buckeyes.
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Centers Seniors
Martinas Rankin, Mississippi State
Frank Ragnow, Arkansas
Bradley Bozeman, Alabama
Coleman Shelton, Washington
Brian Allen, Michigan State
Underclassmen
Brendan Moore, Maryland
James Daniels, Iowa
Drew Kyser, Memphis
Alec Eberle, Florida State
Michael Deiter, Wisconsin
Rankin (6-5, 307) showed some athleticism while playing left tackle last season, but he could move to center in 2017. I'm projecting him as a center in the NFL. Ragnow (6-5, 312) is a two-year starter.
Defensive ends Seniors
Bradley Chubb, NC State
Da'Shawn Hand, Alabama
Tyquan Lewis, Ohio State
Duke Ejiofor, Wake Forest
KJ Smith, Baylor
Underclassmen
Clelin Ferrell, Clemson
Sam Hubbard, Ohio State
Josh Sweat, Florida State
Porter Gustin, USC
Jaylon Ferguson, Louisiana Tech
A former five-star recruit, Hand (6-4, 273) goes unnoticed sometimes among Alabama's talent, but he has first-round ability. Gustin (6-5, 250) has 11 sacks and 19.5 tackles for loss in two seasons. Ferguson (6-5, 256) had 14.5 sacks in 2016.
Defensive tackles 1. Maurice Hurst, Michigan 2. Derrick Nnadi, Florida State 3. Lowell Lotulelei, Utah 4. Andrew Brown, Virginia 5. James Looney, California
Underclassmen
Christian Wilkins, Clemson
Vita Vea, Washington
Da'Ron Payne, Alabama
Trenton Thompson, Georgia
Harrison Phillips, Stanford
At 6-5, 340, Vea is a mountain, but he did have five sacks last season. Phillips (6-4, 258) is likely to be a 3-technique in the NFL. He had 7.5 sacks last season.
Inside linebackers Seniors
Azeem Victor, Washington
Shaun Dion Hamilton, Alabama
Micah Kiser, Virginia
Rashaan Evans, Alabama
Josey Jewell, Iowa
Underclassmen
Cameron Smith, USC
T.J. Edwards, Wisconsin
Kendall Joseph, Clemson
Andre Smith, North Carolina
Jahlani Tavai, Hawaii
Dion Hamilton (6-0, 233) is coming off an ACL tear suffered late in the season. Cameron Smith (6-2, 245) started as a freshman for the Trojans. Kiser (6-2, 235) had 6.5 sacks and 10 tackles for loss in 2016.
Outside linebackers Seniors
Harold Landry, Boston College
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Oklahoma
Marquis Haynes, Mississippi
Matthew Thomas, Florida State
Mike McCray, Michigan
Underclassmen
Arden Key, LSU
Malik Jefferson, Texas
Jerome Baker, Ohio State
Denzil Ware, Kentucky
Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
Okoronkwo (6-1, 240) had nine sacks last season and will probably play defensive end in 2017. Ware (6-2, 255) had 5.5 sacks and 12.5 tackles for loss in 2016.
Cornerbacks Seniors
Jordan Thomas, Oklahoma
Anthony Averett, Alabama
Greg Stroman, Virginia Tech
Donovan Wilson, Texas A&M
Deion Harris, North Dakota
Underclassmen
Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama
Tarvarus McFadden, Florida State
Jaire Alexander, Louisville
Iman Marshall, USC
Denzel Ward, Ohio State
Thomas had an up-and-down season in 2016 but finished with two interceptions after having five in 2015. Marshall (6-2, 200), another former five-star prospect, has six interceptions in two seasons.
Safeties Seniors
Quin Blanding, Virginia
Marcus Allen, Penn State
Godwin Igwebuike, Northwestern
Damon Webb, Ohio State
Kieron Williams, Nebraska
Underclassmen
*Derwin James, Florida State
Ronnie Harrison, Alabama
Chase Hansen, Utah
Jordan Whitehead, Pitt
Terrell Edmunds, Virginia Tech
I'd like to see Blanding (6-4, 210) make more plays. He has six interceptions and only 5.5 tackles for loss in three seasons. Hansen (6-3, 216), who has also played quarterback for the Utes, had three interceptions, including a pick-six, in 2016.
Kickers Seniors
Daniel Carlson, Auburn
Jonathan Barnes, Louisiana Tech
Gary Wunderlich, Mississippi
Drew Brown, Nebraska
Jason Sanders, New Mexico
Underclassmen
*Eddy Pineiro, Florida
Emmit Carpenter, Minnesota
John Baron II, San Diego State
Parker Shaunfield, So. Mississippi
Matthew Wright, Central Florida
Wunderlich (6-0, 175) led the country in field goal percentage (95.7), missing only a 55-yard kick.
Punters Seniors
JK Scott, Alabama
Johnny Townsend, Florida
Trevor Daniel, Tennessee
Austin Barnes, Eastern Michigan
Joe Davidson, Bowling Green
Underclassmen
Michael Dickson, Texas
Jake Bailey, Stanford
Mitch Wishnowsky, Utah
Dylan Klumph, California
*Mason King, Louisville
Scott (6-4, 185) averaged 47.2 yards per kick last season.
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Should be a good QB/OT/RB class for us, but, as always it's far away and who knows.
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Should be a good QB/OT/RB class for us, but, as always it's far away and who knows.
This class might have some of the best pass rushing talent in a long, long time if Key comes back strong.
Key, Chubb, Ferrell, Sweat, Landry, and Jefferson...ballers
Could be a really good WR class too
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Oregon State RB Ryan Nall is an interesting prospect.
6'2 240+ converted H-Back that has deceptive breakaway speed. He'll be compared to Mike Alstott every game because he's white.
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Oregon State RB Ryan Nall is an interesting prospect.
6'2 240+ converted H-Back that has deceptive breakaway speed. He'll be compared to Mike Alstott every game because he's white.
Does he also run over everybody and is he destined for the only 99 rating ever for a FB in Madden?
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Oregon State RB Ryan Nall is an interesting prospect.
6'2 240+ converted H-Back that has deceptive breakaway speed. He'll be compared to Mike Alstott every game because he's white.
lol
his hips and plant and cut ability are way better than Alstott's. id have to see more of him but the kid could very well rack up a huge season this year and find himself in rd 3 by the end of the school year, unless he stays senior year. still a ton to prove. but like you said. very intriguing prospect
big if, but i wouldnt be shocked. i like what ive seen, albeit only portions of his soph year.
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Don't really love any of these guys. Who else is out there?
Heismanberg mentioned Mason Rudolph (OK State). His stock is shooting up.
Chad Kelly (Ole Miss) and Mitch Trubisky (UNC) are potential 2nd/3rd round prospects.
Baker Mayfield (OU) as a late round or UDFA dart throw
Lol @ trubisky in the 2nd and at the time that was a realistic statement
Also lol chad kelly
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Marshon Lattimore looks like a lock for DROY. We were pretty low on him collectively, myself included.
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Marshon Lattimore looks like a lock for DROY. We were pretty low on him collectively, myself included.
To be fair, I think many were concerned about his injury history, especially after the Dee Milliner fiasco.
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if Dalvin Cook fell to our 2nd round pick and we passed on him. Duff can go to freaking hell.
Lulz
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Lulz
Cook is a stud
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Cook is a stud
Yeah how can you tell
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Yeah how can you tell
should I whiteboard this for you too?
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should I whiteboard this for you too?
Go right ahead, Mr Beans and Broken Dreams.
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Go right ahead, Mr Beans and Broken Dreams.
go get your crayons then
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go get your crayons then
That was my dinner, so sketch it up Leonardo.
Yep I called you a Ginny Homo from the 14th century.
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Ginny
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hahahahahaha
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if Dalvin Cook fell to our 2nd round pick and we passed on him. Duff can go to freaking hell.
sigh