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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Badger on August 29, 2016, 07:36:39 PM
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All praise to the Hackgod
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Hack Da Gawd
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There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.
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The Lord is testing us.
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The Lord is testing us.
Hack is in the desert dealing with Satan.
#FortyDaysNights
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Hacken and Wackin and Smackin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E_XvcWawUM
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Need to smite that 2nd-round devil.
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"On that same night Hack will pass through New England and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and he will bring judgment on all the trash in Boston. I am the Hacklord."
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I hope this kids got mental toughness
Wasted-pick Hackenberg implodes in preseason
Even by the standards of a meaningless preseason game populated by second- and third-stringers, it's a stunningly-awful line. Things got so bad Philly Voice's Jimmy Kempski quipped Hackenberg's best throw was a spike. The No. 51 overall pick of the draft — seriously — finishes the preseason 17-of-47 (36.1 percent) for 159 yards (3.38 YPA), one touchdown and two interceptions. The disaster is in no way surprising considering the way Hack regressed at Penn State. The Jets have to be feeling foolish for blowing such a valuable pick. An injury may have to be invented to "redshirt" Hack on I.R. If not, the Jets will be forced to make a roster move with Geno Smith or Bryce Petty.
Rotoworld
Apparently hes already a "wasted pick"
But other reporters arent being any kinder
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Evan Silva is a fat ginger-haired bundle of sticks
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I listened to much of the 2nd half. Wischusen said at one point, "This was by far his best throw of the game, and it fell incomplete." Obviously, he was actually being serious (and it wasn't about the spike), but it's not that surprising.
Welp, hopefully Hackenberg looks better next July. He might even get some reps after we IR Petty.
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Hey, if there's a silver lining it's that we didn't draft a kicker in the 2nd round.
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Honestly, I'm skeptical that Hackenberg will ever justify the investment we made in him but I'm not about to write him off after one preseason.
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I don't expect him to be anything other than terrible right now.
Next year is when you can start taking stock in him, as was clearly intended by the front office based on their negotiations with Fitz.
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This thread isn't for Rotoshit posts.
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Evan Silva should be hung over a vat of burning popcorn butter
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Evan Silva should be hung over a vat of burning popcorn butter
That would just make the fat queynte salivate.
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I spent the draft complaining we didn't take Paxton Lynch in the first and took Hackenberg in the 2nd. I'm feeling worse now.
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I spent the draft complaining we didn't take Paxton Lynch in the first and took Hackenberg in the 2nd. I'm feeling worse now.
Lynch is probably the only Day 1 or Day 2 QB that isn't 3rd string right now...
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Lynch is probably the only Day 1 or Day 2 QB that isn't 3rd string right now...
I don't care that he's 3rd string. The only QB who wasn't supposed to be 3rd string is Goff, who has been awful too. Wentz was earmarked for it, and no one thought Hackenberg would be anything but 3rd string. Still, he looked absolutely terrible. I get that people want to say "I expected him to look terrible", but if they expected him to look like that and still felt good about using a 2nd rounder, I don't know what to tell you. Too many bad picks get justified until they can't be any more. I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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I don't care that he's 3rd string. The only QB who wasn't supposed to be 3rd string is Goff, who has been awful too. Wentz was earmarked for it, and no one thought Hackenberg would be anything but 3rd string. Still, he looked absolutely terrible. I get that people want to say "I expected him to look terrible", but if they expected him to look like that and still felt good about using a 2nd rounder, I don't know what to tell you. Too many bad picks get justified until they can't be any more. I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt.
That was more an observation than an excuse.
I don't really care how the other quarterbacks are doing. This isn't the type of start we were looking for from Hackenberg. Now, it's his first preseason, and he hasn't been getting as many reps as he should get, but it's not too much to ask for him to do a little better than this.
The Jets hinted that Hack could potentially play early when they drafted him. Instead, they don't even want to give him snaps in 2 preseason games. I don't think that's what the Jets had in mind for Year 1, even if they did plan on sitting him this year. He and Petty are the only QBs under contract next year.
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SWTG
Wow did he suck.
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SWTG
Wow did he suck.
Suck cocks in hell, blasphemer.
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Suck cocks in hell, blasphemer.
I am going to take a shower.
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I think Hackenberg will play less games than Geno (31) as a NYJ.
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I spent the draft complaining we didn't take Paxton Lynch in the first and took Hackenberg in the 2nd. I'm feeling worse now.
I remember. I wanted him too but was happy with Lee. Then I excrement bricks when we took him . Then my usual try to take it with a grain of salt to avoid heart attack approach .
I haven't seen him play yet but from what I hear it's a disaster
Lee needs to be a monster to ease this butthurt I'm feeling thinking we could have had Lynch.
The irony is I'm pretty sure I said anyone but hack in the 2nd .
Then I tried to sell myself on the fact he was brought down by a shitshow.
Let's hope this is something we k aught at for the right reasons in the future
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Lee needs to be a monster to ease this butthurt I'm feeling thinking we could have had Lynch.
What if Lynch sucks?
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Why is the sky suddenly falling because a project player we knew was nowhere near ready for the NFL proves himself to be nowhere near ready for the NFL? He still has the qualities that made the FO fall in love with him and he still has the failings that everyone knew he had, because there hasn't yet been time for the coaching staff to do any meaningful work with him.
Last season and even in camp this year people were saying that Petty was awful, that he was a project that was never going to pan out and that we should cut ties. Won't be able to cut it in the NFL. Then we get to preseason and while he's not the second coming of Peyton Manning, all of a sudden he looks like he could be at least a serviceable backup at this level. That's with a year's work. The coaching staff have clearly done a good job with him and I think we owe it to them to at least give them a chance to work with the raw materials that Hackenberg has for an extended period before we decide that he was a waste of a pick.
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What if Lynch sucks?
Then it's better we took the QB who sucks in the 2nd obviously.
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Why is the sky suddenly falling because a project player we knew was nowhere near ready for the NFL proves himself to be nowhere near ready for the NFL? He still has the qualities that made the FO fall in love with him and he still has the failings that everyone knew he had, because there hasn't yet been time for the coaching staff to do any meaningful work with him.
Last season and even in camp this year people were saying that Petty was awful, that he was a project that was never going to pan out and that we should cut ties. Won't be able to cut it in the NFL. Then we get to preseason and while he's not the second coming of Peyton Manning, all of a sudden he looks like he could be at least a serviceable backup at this level. That's with a year's work. The coaching staff have clearly done a good job with him and I think we owe it to them to at least give them a chance to work with the raw materials that Hackenberg has for an extended period before we decide that he was a waste of a pick.
There is no sky is falling. I wouldn't have said anything if people hadn't responded with "It doesn't matter in the slightest because he's a project." That performance was absolutely dreadful. He didn't even look like a 2nd round project. It was worse than any of us should find acceptable from a UDFA, and the fact that we took him in the second doesn't mean we should be MORE lenient in our response.
He's here, I hope he gets better, but the idea that it means nothing is as silly as the idea that it means everything.
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I also never said he was a waste of a pick. I said I again wish we had taken Lynch. I'd never call it a wasted pick before year 3 for a QB. I didn't even call Geno a wasted pick until that point, and that's with the extenuating circumstances of him getting busted by his own teammate.
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I also never said he was a waste of a pick. I said I again wish we had taken Lynch. I'd never call it a wasted pick before year 3 for a QB. I didn't even call Geno a wasted pick until that point, and that's with the extenuating circumstances of him getting busted by his own teammate.
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http://youtu.be/qPEcDg6mUsM (http://youtu.be/qPEcDg6mUsM)
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http://youtu.be/qPEcDg6mUsM (http://youtu.be/qPEcDg6mUsM)
That was really creepy.
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"One thing is clear: The Jets don't believe that Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg will be the Week 1 starter. The feeling in the organization all last year was that Petty's ceiling was NFL backup. The overriding belief on One Jets Drive is that Hackenberg isn't even close to competing for the starting job in 2017."
-Manish "reporting"
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In isolation I can believe that, but the problem is that I don't believe that anyone at One Jets Drive gives Manish Mehta the time of day if he asks them, much less talk to him about players and personnel strategy. We know the rest of the beat writers don't like him and I would be surprised if any of the coaching staff did.
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what is wrong with using a 2nd round pick on him even if he is a project?
fact is the FO wanted this guy as a QB prospect and whether we believe it is a reach or not does not really matter at all, the FO wanted to make a move for this guy and im sure they made a move when they did because they felt another team was going to take him before us
besides, i'd rather use a 2nd round pick and wait on a qb prospect with a ceiling to be a franchise qb rather than waste it on a guy who is supposed to produce for us but ends up busting out, which probably describes about every single 2nd round pick we've ever had for the past 15 years
I agree with you, I didn't say it was wrong. Like you said, given what we normally do in the 2nd round it's a win. At least we knew going in he wasn't going to play the first year. It can only be truly evaluated when we know how Hackenberg turns out.
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Please make sure this thread is fully available so that when Hack takes the ball and becomes a premier NFL franchise QB in 2017 and 2018, we can get to play it back and stick it in the face of some of our gloom and doomer, negative nelly "oh the misery" benignos
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In isolation I can believe that, but the problem is that I don't believe that anyone at One Jets Drive gives Manish Mehta the time of day if he asks them, much less talk to him about players and personnel strategy. We know the rest of the beat writers don't like him and I would be surprised if any of the coaching staff did.
I can't argue with this post.
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“Everybody is overlooking the Jets’ biggest quarterback acquisition this offseason, with that being Jeremy Bates,” Schefter said on the Rich Eisen Show Wednesday afternoon. “Jeremy Bates is a quarterback guru, and I think he can do a lot of good for Christian Hackenberg. If there is anybody that can revive or rescue his career that would be the guy and I think that they are optimistic.”
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How can you "revive or rescue" a career that hasn't started? Why is it that everyone screamed about drafting a player who was two years away from being ready is now screaming that he's not ready after one?
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How can you "revive or rescue" a career that hasn't started? Why is it that everyone screamed about drafting a player who was two years away from being ready is now screaming that he's not ready after one?
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I think they are referring to him being a top prospect out of high school, having a nice freshman year, then the earth crumbling around penn state. He is a reclaimation project. I wish him the best, but expect nothing.
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“Everybody is overlooking the Jets’ biggest quarterback acquisition this offseason, with that being Jeremy Bates,” Schefter said on the Rich Eisen Show Wednesday afternoon. “Jeremy Bates is a quarterback guru, and I think he can do a lot of good for Christian Hackenberg. If there is anybody that can revive or rescue his career that would be the guy and I think that they are optimistic.”
And the same is true if we were to draft Trubisky at 6 or Kizer in the 4th round.
If we are truly committed to the rebuild this year won't be the year we go QB unless our talent evaluators have decided there is a can't miss guy to take, which would appear to make them different from pretty much everybody else out there this year.
I don't want a QB period in 2017, let our drafted guys grow, and if they don't we will be in a spot for an elite QB option in 2018.
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NJ.com reports Christian Hackenberg appeared "improved" in OTAs, but "still doesn't look good."
Per reporter Connor Hughes, Hackenberg's footwork was improved on his calamitous rookie year, but he still missed "far too many passes against against air." Highlighting Hack's inaccuracy, Hughes reports "in the three media-open OTAs, Hackenberg hit reporters with passes twice." Unfathomable. The Jets' selection of Hackenberg at No. 51 overall in 2016 seemed like a wasted pick from the second it was made. Nothing in the ensuing 13 months has changed that perception.
Source: NJ.com Jun 8 - 5:11 PM
Huge/Real news from the always reliable Connor hughes
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"Hackenberg was 2/7 in pre-practice warm up mental reps with 3 nearly tipped passes and 3 possible imaginary near strip sacks from 1986 Lawrence Taylor"
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"He almost hit me with a football! I'm gonna show him with some shitty articles!"
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Evan Silva is such a fat ginger bitch.
It's "unfathomable" that a QB threw an incomplete pass in practice...
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Evan Silva is such a fat ginger bitch.
It's "unfathomable" that a QB threw an incomplete pass in practice...
I would like to twist Evan Silva's greasy ginger head off his fat shoulders and skullfuck him in the Gillette end zone while Snapchatting his mom.
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I would like to twist Evan Silva's greasy ginger head off his fat shoulders and skullfuck him in the Gillette end zone while Snapchatting his mom.
I'd add to this, but I really can't.
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I would like to twist Evan Silva's greasy ginger head off his fat shoulders and skullfuck him in the Gillette end zone while Snapchatting his mom.
Well that escalated quickly.
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Well that escalated quickly.
Don't tell me you wouldn't watch.
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Twitter war between @Jetswhispers and Connor Hughes over whether or not Hackenberg hit reporters with balls in practice.
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Leberfeld went on some podcast and called Hughes a liar
lol
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I'll admit I'm amused by Leberfeld's rant on this one.
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#TeamWhispers
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http://dailysnark.com/footage-shows-jets-qb-christian-hackenberg-hitting-another-reporter-terrible-pass-practice/
Yo this guy sucks fam
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That is an awful route
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Not suggesting Duff should be fired, but he should consider himself lucky if he avoids getting fired after drafting a quarterback this bad in the second round.
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Not suggesting Duff should be fired, but he should consider himself lucky if he avoids getting fired after drafting a quarterback this bad in the second round.
That is honestly one of the worst routes I've ever seen and I've coached some pretty terrible players.
You can even hear the coach tell him to get out of his break.
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It actually sounds like Hack had a pretty good practice:
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2017/6/13/15796926/christian-hackenberg-shines-on-first-day-of-jets-minicamp
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It actually sounds like Hack had a pretty good practice:
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2017/6/13/15796926/christian-hackenberg-shines-on-first-day-of-jets-minicamp
BUT HE HIT A MAN STANDING ON THE SIDELINES HE IS CLEARLY A COMPLETE BUST
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honestly this is all good for the jets, with how our fortune usually runs, bad press in the offseason = amazing regular season for the player involved
let's go hack
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This excrement really is stupid.
He's throwing passes to a some bum derriere 5'7 practice dummy that can't run a route to save his life. We had a ton of tryout players there today. Hack may have never thrown a pass to that dude in his life and people are up in arms about. Whining that he missed a warmup throw in a drill is pointless.
You can't display consistent accuracy throwing passes to new receivers on the first day of padless practice.
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That is honestly one of the worst routes I've ever seen and I've coached some pretty terrible players.
You can even hear the coach tell him to get out of his break.
I don't disagree. My post was more of an expression of how I feel in general than a reaction to that video.
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I don't disagree. My post was more an expression of how I feel in general and less of a reaction to that video. If it were just in reaction to that video, it would obviously be an overreaction.
I'll starting judging this pick in the preseason.
It just gets old seeing beat writers excrement on the kid because they have nothing else better to write about. It's causes large groups of fans to become ill-informed and they're never going to give him a chance.
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It just gets old seeing beat writers excrement on the kid because they have nothing else better to write about. It causes large groups of fans to become ill-informed and they're never going to give him a chance.
I can't defend the beat writers, but they were already ill-informed and they were never going to give him a chance.
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This excrement really is stupid.
He's throwing passes to a some bum derriere 5'7 practice dummy that can't run a route to save his life. We had a ton of tryout players there today. Hack may have never thrown a pass to that dude in his life and people are up in arms about. Whining that he missed a warmup throw in a drill is pointless.
You can't display consistent accuracy throwing passes to new receivers on the first day of padless practice.
I hate posting these links. I do. It sucks but we're going to hear about it one way or another. It really doesn't mean anything until we see him in a regular season game.
I'm just nowhere near as optimistic as anyone here. Haven't been since the draft pick, I've been pretty transparent about that. Let's be honest, the only reason anyone here is defending him is because we are Jets fans and would like him to be good. He needs to be judged by his play on the (actual) field, but to this point in his career there have been no signs to warrant any type of speculation that he might an NFL QB.
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Preseason. Week 4. For all the marbles.
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He was the star of the first minicamp practice day.
Hope that didn't ruin Mehta's day
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He was the star of the first minicamp practice day.
Hope that didn't ruin Mehta's day
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/early-nitpick-jets-qb-christian-hackenberg-article-1.3244563
Two Hackenberg passes prompted plenty of chatter last week. Here’s the truth about the pair of “errant” throws that became water cooler talk:
1) A wide receiver slipped on his break on a corner route in passing drills as Hackenberg’s throw flew out of bounds and in the direction of media members lined up a few feet off the sideline. Conclusion: Not a big deal.
2) Hackenberg's pass in individual drills sailed over the shortest receiver on the roster at the time — 5-9 undrafted rookie Brisly Estime. Conclusion: Whoopty-freakin-do.
The sand badger strikes again
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"Hackenberg throws nearly dropped pass that wasn't a perfect spiral. Ball's trajectory would have landed on the sideline chalk within 20 feet of the unsuspecting, innocent toes of the free press. Hackenberg could potentially be classified as a terrorist. Unsure if also a hate crime. Press-shaming."
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http://www.jetsinsider.com/three-points-mini-camp-day-1-of-3/
This is the report on Day 1 of the minicamp about Hacks progress
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And this is the QB part of the report
Hackenberg continues strong performance
A receiver’s strong performance isn’t without one from a quarterback. Bowles is splitting snaps between Christian Hackenberg, Josh McCown, and Bryce Petty as he tries to figure out the depth chart for the three singal-callers. Hackenberg had one of his best performances during off-season practice. A majority of his passes were to receivers that ran short routes, which has been a struggle for him. However, fans wouldn’t know that by watching him during practice. Hackenberg was confident in his throws, he planted his feet to make more accurate passes, and receivers caught the ball, which boosts Hackenberg’s confidence even more. As it stands, McCown is projected to be the No. 1 quarterback heading into training camp, but Hackenberg and Petty are not far behind him.
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I hate posting these links. I do. It sucks but we're going to hear about it one way or another. It really doesn't mean anything until we see him in a regular season game.
I'm just nowhere near as optimistic as anyone here. Haven't been since the draft pick, I've been pretty transparent about that. Let's be honest, the only reason anyone here is defending him is because we are Jets fans and would like him to be good. He needs to be judged by his play on the (actual) field, but to this point in his career there have been no signs to warrant any type of speculation that he might an NFL QB.
I did not like where they drafted him but I am no draft guru, so I am willing to give him a shot. I don't see it but stranger things have been known to happen to other teams, why not the Jets.
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I'm reserving judgement and waiting until we see him on the field in an actual game.
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I'm reserving judgement and waiting until we see him on the field in an actual game.
Yep.
Jet fans in 2016: "Hackenberg needs a red shirt year to get his mechanics fixed and learn the system"
Jet fans in 2017: "2nd round pick that hasn't even seen the field. What a bust"
AYFKM? God forbid there is video of an overthrown ball in Mini camp ffs
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Jet fans in 2018: Trust the process. It's too early to call him a bust. He looked good in day 1 of OTAs that one time.
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No more Geno Smith...that's all I care about.
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Jets fan in 2022: We could re-sign Hackenberg to hold the fort until Sam Darnold returns from his 4th ACL rupture.
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Jets fan in 2022: We could re-sign Hackenberg to hold the fort until Sam Darnold returns from his 4th ACL rupture.
I am going to kill you next tailgate for this post.
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No more Geno Smith...that's all I care about.
This is something everyone can agree on
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Yep.
Jet fans in 2016: "Hackenberg needs a red shirt year to get his mechanics fixed and learn the system"
Jet fans in 2017: "2nd round pick that hasn't even seen the field. What a bust"
Don't forget the part about he needs a mentor.
AYFKM? God forbid there is video of an overthrown ball in Mini camp ffs
Career backup like Petty.
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Most surprising to me is that Petty supposedly has looked worse than Hackenberg from some reports
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Most surprising to me is that Petty supposedly has looked worse than Hackenberg from some reports
They are both learning a new system and Hackenberg is more physically gifted.
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They are both learning a new system and Hackenberg is more physically gifted.
Isn't Hack completely relearning his mechanics though? Vs Petty who has two years learning under nfl coaches with some nfl experience
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Isn't Hack completely relearning his mechanics though? Vs Petty who has two years learning under nfl coaches with some nfl experience
Petty came out of a system at Baylor where he didn't have to be mechanically sound either. He just had a better supporting cast and never got the hell beat out of him in college like Hack did at Penn State. I like Petty a lot and he says/does everything the right way off the field, but he is definitely more a backup caliber player.
Hack's bad accuracy is because of pee poor coaching and protection. He's never been a bad decision maker in my opinion. He developed a lot of poor footwork falling away from pressure and relying on pure arm strength.
I don't know if he'll ever shake some of that, but he has more physical talent than a lot of guys that are starters in the NFL.
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Plus it's OTAs in shorts.
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I don’t know how anyone can draw any conclusions about Petty based on what we've seen.
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I don’t know how anyone can draw any conclusions about Petty based on what we've seen.
he took that double sack hit like a fvcking man, toughest SOB i've ever met, i thought he had broken ribs for sure but he survived and returned like an indomitable cockroach
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he took that double sack hit like a fvcking man, toughest SOB i've ever met, i thought he had broken ribs for sure but he survived and returned like an indomitable cockroach
That will come in handy this season.
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Hack ahead of the pack after three practices.
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Hack ahead of the pack after three practices.
So is MBGreen technically
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Hack ahead of the pack after three practices.
Is that because he has been good, or because Petty and McCown have sucked?
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Is that because he has been good, or because Petty and McCown have sucked?
Yes
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I've thought all along that McCown would start and that Hackenberg would play whenever McCown got hurt. But if Hackenberg is our best option now, I have no problem playing him now. It would certainly be more exciting.
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it sounds like theyve all been relatively even which means you gotta give the young kid the shot.
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Hack is the move if he is even with the other QBs, there is zero upside to playing McCown. Win or tank with Hack.
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Well at least there seems to be no effort with trying to pretend Petty has a shot. Makes it simpler. 2 guys, one spot. I predict McCown gets injured before the season starts and it's Hacky time.
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Reading some of the camp reports it's encouraging that one of the common themes is that they're impressed with the improvement in Hackenberg's footwork. That was one of the biggest knocks on him at the draft and was blamed for an awful lot of his problems; it sounds like they've worked hard on getting it fixed in the last twelve months.
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Sad state of affairs when anytime Hack makes a really good throw, it's blown up as such an exciting thing when other QBs in other camps are likely making such throws on a regular basis. Such a low standard after the past several years. He gets beat up unnecessarily too.
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Is it "even" though? The accounts I saw were that Hackenberg was clearly defining himself as the top of the list so far.
I hope so. Ideally, Hackenberg plays 16 games this season and we learn one way or the other whether he's an answer or if we need to spend everything to get a big name in April.
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I just don't see the Jets being bad enough to land one of the top 2 QBs in next year's draft. I think the Jets will be able to squeeze out 4-5 wins this year. It's not that easy to finish dead last in the NFL. Hopefully Hackenberg is the guy. I fear we will enter the Cousins sweepstakes next year.
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Just get me a tailgate W, Hack
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I just don't see the Jets being bad enough to land one of the top 2 QBs in next year's draft. I think the Jets will be able to squeeze out 4-5 wins this year. It's not that easy to finish dead last in the NFL. Hopefully Hackenberg is the guy. I fear we will enter the Cousins sweepstakes next year.
It's complicated. If they only win 4 games they probably won't be the worst team. But they could be within striking distance of a trade-up. Who knows who the worst team will be? It could be a team that already has a QB.
I think we can all agree that the best thing for the Jets would be that Hackenberg is the guy.
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It's complicated. If they only win 4 games they probably won't be the worst team. But they could be within striking distance of a trade-up. Who knows who the worst team will be? It could be a team that already has a QB.
I think we can all agree that the best thing for the Jets would be that Hackenberg is the guy.
Yes. Plus Hackenberg is still really young even for a 2nd year player.
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I just don't see the Jets being bad enough to land one of the top 2 QBs in next year's draft.
While on the surface I agree with this... but then when I try and think of the amount of teams with a worse roster than the Jets, I struggle to come up with even one or two.
Maybe the Bears and 49ers? I mean even then, the Bears have Glennon who is better than anything we have, and Hoyer is about about a wash with McCown/whoever.
Unless Hackenberg takes over and genuinely plays well, they may be right up there with the worst of them.
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While on the surface I agree with this... but then when I try and think of the amount of teams with a worse roster than the Jets, I struggle to come up with even one or two.
Maybe the Bears and 49ers? I mean even then, the Bears have Glennon who is better than anything we have, and Hoyer is about about a wash with McCown/whoever.
Unless Hackenberg takes over and genuinely plays well, they may be right up there with the worst of them.
Every year there are surprises. Both good and bad. There are teams that get killed with injuries (look at the Ravens so far), and teams that just flat out disappoint. Look no further than the Jets last year. No one predicted that turd festival after a 10-6 season. Yet, there it was.
Equally as possible is the Jets actually playing halfway decent. I'm not ruling out the Jets finishing with 2 wins, I'm just saying being that God-awful isn't easy.
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Every year there are surprises. Both good and bad. There are teams that get killed with injuries (look at the Ravens so far), and teams that just flat out disappoint. Look no further than the Jets last year. No one predicted that turd festival after a 10-6 season. Yet, there it was.
Equally as possible is the Jets actually playing halfway decent. I'm not ruling out the Jets finishing with 2 wins, I'm just saying being that God-awful isn't easy.
Every year the Jets are supposed to be terrible, they surprise us with a decent season.
This team has a ton of question marks in key areas, so it's hard to predict that many wins. But if the DL plays to its potential and the young defensive players are promising, the defense has a shot to be pretty good. And if that's the case, then it's up to the offense to not be a complete and total trainwreck.
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“What is it about?” Sherman said. “It’s not about football or color. It’s about, ‘Boy, stay in your place.’”
Bingo.
“Not a lot of guys are willing to step out there,” Sherman added. “So the guys not speaking up for him are doing him a disservice. There should be a lot more guys saying something. Most guys are like, ‘I don’t want my job to end up the same way.’”
Sherman told Bell that Kaepernick would have been a great fit in Seattle, but the Seahawks decided not to sign him. At least the Seahawks didn’t engage in an awkward, clumsy, slow-motion crowdsourcing exercise aimed at determining whether fans and sponsors would revolt before deciding whether to offer him a job.
“For you to say you have to check with sponsors and fans because this guy took a knee and made a statement?” Sherman said regarding the Ravens’ apparently ongoing deliberations. “Now if you told me this guy threw eight pick-sixes last year and played like a bum, had no talent, that’s one thing. But Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Mallett or whoever is playing for the Jets right now — whoever is starting for the Jets is terrible — have jobs. You’re telling me fans would rather you lose and put a worse player out there because a guy took a stand? That’s where it’s so troublesome to me. . . .
“Blake Bortles has shown you enough to where you don’t think Kaep would be a solid fit? Kaep has won games.”
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I hope Richard Sherman tears both of Achilles tendons and then falls on a shard of glass that slits his voice box so I never have to hear him speak ever again.
I don't wish death upon him, but he needs to seriously shut the freak up about literally everything.
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I hope Richard Sherman tears both of Achilles tendons and then falls on a shard of glass that slits his voice box so I never have to hear him speak ever again.
I don't wish death upon him, but he needs to seriously shut the freak up about literally everything.
I believe the phrase "boy, stay in your place" would apply to the entire conversation that Sherman just had, where he said that himself.m
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I think Sherman is awesome for recognising that as a top tier player he has the platform to say what he believes with relative impunity, and having the balls to say it.
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I think Sherman is awesome for recognising that as a top tier player he has the platform to say what he believes with relative impunity, and having the balls to say it.
That's fine, but that doesn't mean he isn't a jackass and wrong about most everything he says. Also, he's been running his mouth long before he was a top tier player.
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That's fine, but that doesn't mean he isn't a jackass and wrong about most everything he says. Also, he's been running his mouth long before he was a top tier player.
We should get him to post here, he would fit right in. That's why you guys hate him, he does what we all do, run our mouths.
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That's fine, but that doesn't mean he isn't a jackass and wrong about most everything he says. Also, he's been running his mouth long before he was a top tier player.
This.
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That's fine, but that doesn't mean he isn't a jackass and wrong about most everything he says. Also, he's been running his mouth long before he was a top tier player.
Was he? I don't remember, probably because nobody cared.
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Was he? I don't remember, probably because nobody cared.
The only thing I remember him really being a tit about was when he threatened to have a journalist fired, which was a real dick move. I'm sure there have been other instances.
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The only thing I remember him really being a tit about was when he threatened to have a journalist fired, which was a real dick move. I'm sure there have been other instances.
You must not remember the slavery comments after he took a cheap shot on Dan Carpenter.
He can freak off.
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Was he? I don't remember, probably because nobody cared.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi_ly7HTSzk
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sherman is one of those really annoying people who are 100% convinced that they're smarter than they actually are, and they end up saying the most annoying excrement all the freaking time, and they're unstoppable because you can tell them how stupid they sound and it won't do anything to knock down how confident they are about the intelligence that they don't have
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the funniest part is the most logical spot for him was to backup Wilson in SEA
his own team passed on him.
he needs to stfu and thank god hes hidden in that Cover 3 with two elite Safeties.
even if you say for the sake of argument Kaep is better than what we have it makes 0 sense.
1. save the money for the spending ceiling
2. find out what you have in Hackenberg
3. 90% chance we take a QB 1st rd next year, sans a promising Hackenberg performance
4. why bring the media attention (warranted or unwarranted) onto a young team trying to rebuild
5. not a scheme fit for this offense from a passing perspective. unless your going to bootleg him to death and get him killed.
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the funniest part is the most logical spot for him was to backup Wilson in SEA
his own team passed on him.
he needs to stfu and thank god hes hidden in that Cover 3 with two elite Safeties.
even if you say for the sake of argument Kaep is better than what we have it makes 0 sense.
1. save the money for the spending ceiling
2. find out what you have in Hackenberg
3. 90% chance we take a QB 1st rd next year, sans a promising Hackenberg performance
4. why bring the media attention (warranted or unwarranted) onto a young team trying to rebuild
5. not a scheme fit for this offense from a passing perspective. unless your going to bootleg him to death and get him killed.
Did you not type out this post with your forehead? I had to doublecheck the username
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sherman is one of those really annoying people who are 100% convinced that they're smarter than they actually are, and they end up saying the most annoying excrement all the freaking time, and they're unstoppable because you can tell them how stupid they sound and it won't do anything to knock down how confident they are about the intelligence that they don't have
Holy excrement, DCM is Richard Sherman.
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Based on this we don't need him here at JO. We already have dcm handling all those attributes
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I gave this pick a chance because the team needed a quarterback this time around. Unfortunately, it appears Hack is too far gone to salvage.
This supporting cast is no where near good enough to pick him up unlike what we saw with Mark Sanchez back in 2009 and 2010. Aside from Matt Forte, who can't stay healthy anyway, there is no veteran presence for him to lean on.
I'm not trying to make excuses for Hack, but this was mismanaged altogether. I have no idea what Todd Bowles is doing with this supposed QB competition. The offense neglected in free agency and the draft. It was then stripped of all talent, so there is absolutely no support for any quarterback we put out there.
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I gave this pick a chance because the team needed a quarterback this time around. Unfortunately, it appears Hack is too far gone to salvage.
This supporting cast is no where near good enough to pick him up unlike what we saw with Mark Sanchez back in 2009 and 2010. Aside from Matt Forte, who can't stay healthy anyway, there is no veteran presence for him to lean on.
I'm not trying to make excuses for Hack, but this was mismanaged altogether. I have no idea what Todd Bowles is doing with this supposed QB competition. The offense neglected in free agency and the draft. It was then stripped of all talent, so there is absolutely no support for any quarterback we put out there.
loss4u
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loss4duff
Fyp
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Hackenberg for HOF
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Hackenberg for HOF
Hall of Failure?
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Hall of Fag
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Hall of Fag
Wow you're letting him in.
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Wow you're letting him in.
Yes. He'll be joining you. You get to show off your pink jackets.
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Yeah, Hackenberg is toast.
And so is Maccagnan.
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Yeah, Hackenberg is toast.
And so is Maccagnan.
Tired of these 2nd round projects. Didn't we learn our lesson when we drafted Vlad Ducasse?
I like Duff, but if we're going to win 1 or 2 games this year....he might be done. I'm not even sure Bowles will make it through the season.
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Tired of these 2nd round projects. Didn't we learn our lesson when we drafted Vlad Ducasse?
I like Duff, but if we're going to win 1 or 2 games this year....he might be done. I'm not even sure Bowles will make it through the season.
There will be a new regime after this year.
And it had better be an offensively-minded one.
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There will be a new regime after this year.
And it had better be an offensively-minded one.
How long have we been telling ourselves that? Even longer than we've been clamoring for offensive first round picks.
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There will be a new regime after this year.
And it had better be an offensively-minded one.
I was talking with Heismanberg over the weekend about this. We're hoping Gruden decides to coach next year, hire him and give him full control over the roster. That's one option.
Getting that 1st overall pick, and having a shitload of cap space should be attractive to potential GMs and HCs.
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How long have we been telling ourselves that? Even longer than we've been clamoring for offensive first round picks.
Since Parcells stopped coaching the team?
I was talking with Heismanberg over the weekend about this. We're hoping Gruden decides to coach next year, hire him and give him full control over the roster. That's one option.
Getting that 1st overall pick, and having a shitload of cap space should be attractive to potential GMs and HCs.
I would throw any amount of money at Gruden and give him complete control over personnel decisions to get him here. No question.
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alright guys
onto the next Cult
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There will be a new regime after this year.
And it had better be an offensively-minded one.
Yeah, that's what we need, another restart.
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Yeah, that's what we need, another restart.
you're right, we should've kept Idzik.
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you're right, we should've kept Idzik.
No, that was a good restart but you can't go back to square one every couple of years. I mean you can if you want to be Cleveland but it won't work.
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No, that was a good restart but you can't go back to square one every couple of years. I mean you can if you want to be Cleveland but it won't work.
not having a franchise QB is what keeps killing regime after regime.
Duff drafting Hackenberg may cost him his job.
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not having a franchise QB is what keeps killing regime after regime.
Duff drafting Hackenberg may cost him his job.
I would refer you back to my post of last week; which particular franchise QB has Maccagnan passed on that you consider to be such an egregious error? To save you the effort of looking it up, here's the post I'm talking about:
Jacoby Brissett
Paxton Lynch
Cody Kessler
Dak Prescott
Cardale Jones
Trevor Siemian
These are the notable QBs that Maccagnan has passed on so far. (I've excluded 2017 as we can't determine who's worthy of note until we've seen them take snaps in anger.) Any of them leap out to you as a huge miss by him? Prescott has obviously had the most success of all, but do we really think he'd have done as well behind our line rather than the Dallas monster? Cody Kessler has shown some promising signs, but nothing special. Paxton Lynch couldn't beat out Siemian for the Denver starting job.
I'm not ready to hang Maccagnan out to dry just yet, and certainly not over Hackenberg. It was a high risk / high reward pick and it was always a long term project - I don't think we can judge it after one year.
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not having a franchise QB is what keeps killing regime after regime.
Duff drafting Hackenberg may cost him his job.
If you keep changing regimes before the QB gets a chance to do anything we're constantly back to starting over. Hackenberg sat a year and now we're writing him off in pre season before he ever plays a down in a real game?
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If you keep changing regimes before the QB gets a chance to do anything we're constantly back to starting over. Hackenberg sat a year and now we're writing him off in pre season before he ever plays a down in a real game?
have you been watching Hackenberg at all?
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have you been watching Hackenberg at all?
Yeah, he's terrible so far, but I'm not firing the GM. Duff also drafted Petty, he looks good, hes a year further along in the same process, needs to stay healthy.
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I would refer you back to my post of last week; which particular franchise QB has Maccagnan passed on that you consider to be such an egregious error? To save you the effort of looking it up, here's the post I'm talking about:
I don't want to speak for MB. My POV on the Hackenberg pick is this: it's not about having overdrafted Hackenberg as an attempt to get lucky finding a QB in a trash heap. It's that they could've used a second round pick on something a lot more important than a project QB; such as OT, or WR.
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I don't want to speak for MB. My POV on the Hackenberg pick is this: it's not about having overdrafted Hackenberg as an attempt to get lucky finding a QB in a trash heap. It's that they could've used a second round pick on something a lot more important than a project QB; such as OT, or WR.
And then he'd have been getting excrement for making no effort to draft a franchise QB.
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I don't want to speak for MB. My POV on the Hackenberg pick is this: it's not about having overdrafted Hackenberg as an attempt to get lucky finding a QB in a trash heap. It's that they could've used a second round pick on something a lot more important than a project QB; such as OT, or WR.
I wouldn't have looked at Hackenberg until round 5 at the earliest. Taking project players in the higher rounds are for teams that can afford to do that (ie NWE, GB, ATL etc). We don't have the depth to waste high round picks.
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I wouldn't have looked at Hackenberg until round 5 at the earliest. Taking project players in the higher rounds are for teams that can afford to do that (ie NWE, GB, ATL etc). We don't have the depth to waste high round picks.
True, but if you think you might have the QB you need it's worth the risk. Might not work, but not a firable offense, especially one year in when we don't even know if it worked or not.
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True, but if you think you might have the QB you need it's worth the risk. Might not work, but not a firable offense, especially one year in when we don't even know if it worked or not.
it is a fireable offense. I just said when your team doesn't have the depth, and/or you're rebuilding...you can't take projects in the high rounds of the draft. Because if you miss on them, you're fucked....which is what we're going through now.
If we end up winning a game or 2, and Hack is deemed useless, that's on Duff.
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And then he'd have been getting excrement for making no effort to draft a franchise QB.
Not from me.
1) He had already drafted his project QB: Petty.
2) He should have worked something out with Fitz instead of that stupid standoff.
3) I've always maintained that you build the offensive line and get receivers, then pursue the QB by any means necessary.
it is a fireable offense. I just said when your team doesn't have the depth, and/or you're rebuilding...you can't take projects in the high rounds of the draft. Because if you miss on them, you're fucked....which is what we're going through now.
If we end up winning a game or 2, and Hack is deemed useless, that's on Duff.
Agreed.
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If Fitzpatrick wasn't busy cucking us, then we probably never draft Hack. At least not in the 2nd.
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it is a fireable offense. I just said when your team doesn't have the depth, and/or you're rebuilding...you can't take projects in the high rounds of the draft. Because if you miss on them, you're fucked....which is what we're going through now.
If we end up winning a game or 2, and Hack is deemed useless, that's on Duff.
So we're firing another guy based on your "what if". Unless anyone expected Hackenberg to be ready to start by week one of year two it's simply too early to make that call.
For the most part I agree with your premise about taking a project that high, but QB is the exception.
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Not from me.
1) He had already drafted his project QB: Petty.
2) He should have worked something out with Fitz instead of that stupid standoff.
3) I've always maintained that you build the offensive line and get receivers, then pursue the QB by any means necessary.
OK. Show me a tackle or receiver that we can consider ourselves to have missed out on because of the Hackenberg pick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_Draft
Tajae Sharpe? Tyreek Hill? We could still have had either of them.
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So we're firing another guy based on your "what if". Unless anyone expected Hackenberg to be ready to start by week one of year two it's simply too early to make that call.
For the most part I agree with your premise about taking a project that high, but QB is the exception.
Derek Carr was a 2nd round pick, started week 1 in his rookie year, took his lumps and growing pains...and is now an elite QB.
Hack hasn't shown any improvement after red-shirting his rookie year. I understand everyone thinks he has potential, but it hasn't translated yet, and it doesn't look like it will.
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Not from me.
1) He had already drafted his project QB: Petty.
2) He should have worked something out with Fitz instead of that stupid standoff.
3) I've always maintained that you build the offensive line and get receivers, then pursue the QB by any means necessary.
Agreed.
You get a QB when and how you can, until you know you have the right one. Just because he had Petty, who is just now even getting on the field, doesn't mean you pass on a guy you think can be your QB.
The Fitzpatrick deal had nothing to do with it, he played that perfectly. Waited him out until the last minute, did a one year deal, still got him. And now we're not stuck with dead, bad cap money because we "worked something out".
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Derek Carr was a 2nd round pick, started week 1 in his rookie year, took his lumps and growing pains...and is now an elite QB.
Hack hasn't shown any improvement after red-shirting his rookie year. I understand everyone thinks he has potential, but it hasn't translated yet, and it doesn't look like it will.
Carr was a different situation. Seems to me everyone knew when we drafted Hackenberg this was the deal. You might end up being right, I'm not his biggest fan either, but it still doesn't mean you fire the GM for trying it. The fact that we're still talking about him means we don't have a better option yet, so you need to try what you can to get a guy.
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OK. Show me a tackle or receiver that we can consider ourselves to have missed out on because of the Hackenberg pick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_Draft
Tajae Sharpe? Tyreek Hill? We could still have had either of them.
You're twisting the conversation.
This team was shallow in the talent pool overall. Taking a project QB in the second round meant they couldn't take a player who could make an immediate impact, regardless of the position.
Maccagnan did the right thing this year, when he took two starting caliber safeties back-to-back. It certainly wasn't flashy, but he got two players in the first two rounds that are day 1 starters. That's how you build a team from the ground up.
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I'm not gonna bash Duff for taking a shot on Hack. I wouldn't have drafted him there, but it's ok. The bigger mistake would be wasting much more time with him as a #1 after this year. He's got this year to find a way on the field and show promise. He's got 2 injury prone mediocre QBs in front of him. Odds are reasonable his number gets called at some point. Otherwise, next guy in line. Good chance to get a solid one in the draft.
If Hack doesn't find a way through injury or shitty play from the others to get on the field this year, tough luck. He can fight it out for #2 next year. Not saying they should cut him, but I don't think he should be in the conversation for starter next year.
No sense in dicking around with his "potential". Don't let him become Geno and waste everyone's time. Mistakes become huge when you don't cut your loses.
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I'm not gonna bash Duff for taking a shot on Hack. I wouldn't have drafted him there, but it's ok. The bigger mistake would be wasting much more time with him as a #1 after this year. He's got this year to find a way on the field and show promise. He's got 2 injury prone mediocre QBs in front of him. Odds are reasonable his number gets called at some point. Otherwise, next guy in line. Good chance to get a solid one in the draft.
If Hack doesn't find a way through injury or shitty play from the others to get on the field this year, tough luck. He can fight it out for #2 next year. Not saying they should cut him, but I don't think he should be in the conversation for starter next year.
No sense in dicking around with his "potential". Don't let him become Geno and waste everyone's time. Mistakes become huge when you don't cut your loses.
I hated the pick immediately but I agree with this. I wish he had taken a shot on someone who wasn't so obviously a bust but they know more about these guys than me.
At this point it's been obvious this was going to be huge tank job to set up a rebuild. If you didn't want him doing the rebuild he should have been fired at the end of last season.
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If Fitzpatrick wasn't busy cucking us, then we probably never draft Hack. At least not in the 2nd.
Sure they do, they knew drafting him he'd be redshirted at least one year and Fitz would have likely stayed 2 years max. This doesn't change the fact that it was a questionable pick.
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OK. Show me a tackle or receiver that we can consider ourselves to have missed out on because of the Hackenberg pick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_NFL_Draft
Tajae Sharpe? Tyreek Hill? We could still have had either of them.
This was a pretty shitty draft. You really have to look hard for players who have excelled.
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The idea of project vs non-project in the 2nd round is overrated. Many projects develop well. Many don't. It's just a matter of getting the right players and developing them.
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I wish he had taken a shot on someone who wasn't so obviously a bust but they know more about these guys than me.
Then how are you going to say he was an obvious bust. Its amazing watching to watch people with their hindsight bias or give up on and too early.
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The idea of project vs non-project in the 2nd round is overrated. Many projects develop well. Many don't. It's just a matter of getting the right players and developing them.
The chiefs just traded up for a project in the first round. If also argue desgaun Watson is a project, but everyone seems to be on his nuts for some reason
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Then how are you going to say he was an obvious bust. Its amazing watching to watch people with their hindsight bias or give up on and too early.
freak off and stick to critiquing sandwiches and alios opinion on dc movies.
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freak off and stick to critiquing sandwiches and alios opinion on dc movies.
(https://i.imgur.com/UNRm2ZV_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=low)
Patience is a virtue. Give the kid until the end of the season.
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"Jets QB Christian Hackenberg has been sacked eight times this preseason. McCown and Petty sacked twice (combined)."
Welp, I gave him a shot. (No I didn't)
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"Jets QB Christian Hackenberg has been sacked eight times this preseason. McCown and Petty sacked twice (combined)."
Welp, I gave him a shot. (No I didn't)
He's done some things poorly in this game, but he's done some things OK as well. He's clearly not NFL ready but I don't think it's time to give up on him yet.
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I don't think there was any effort to make any play calls to test Hack. Handoff for no gain, dump off pass for 2 yards, dump off pass for 2 yards, punt. All second half. Not that you should expect anything else in a preseason game, but I thought they might give him a shot on first down once in a while. Looked like 3 quarters of trying to run out the clock. Then again, that may be our offense this year.
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I don't think there was any effort to make any play calls to test Hack. Handoff for no gain, dump off pass for 2 yards, dump off pass for 2 yards, punt. All second half. Not that you should expect anything else in a preseason game, but I thought they might give him a shot on first down once in a while. Looked like 3 quarters of trying to run out the clock. Then again, that may be our offense this year.
He made a couple of good throws, he looked like he was capable of going through his reads, his footwork wasn't terrible. Like I said, not NFL ready yet but worth persevering with.
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He made a couple of good throws, he looked like he was capable of going through his reads, his footwork wasn't terrible. Like I said, not NFL ready yet but worth persevering with.
The throw he made to ASJ for the TD is a special throw. The game just appears to be moving way too fast for him still.
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I like how he started 8/12 and finished 10/22.
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I like how he started 8/12 and finished 10/22.
He is really starting to remind me of Ryan Mallett. Big arm, statuesque in the pocket, and inconsistent accuracy.
At least he's not a douche bag though.
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Midway 3rd quarter I realized we weren't going to see Petty.
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Midway 3rd quarter I realized we weren't going to see Petty.
I read from Dick Cimini after the game the medical staff didn't clear him during a pregame examination. I was really hoping he'd get a few extra reps since I think it's pretty likely he'll start at least 6+ games.
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The only way Petty should have sat is if he was truly not healthy enough to play. Something tells me that injury was a convenient excuse to let Hackenberg play.
For all the "Petty looked good, but against backups" in the previous game, Hackenberg looked like a 3rd string QB playing against guys who will be looking for new careers by the lunchtime today.
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Drafting Geno likely cost us a shot at Derek Carr. Drafting Hackenberg likely cost us a shot at Mahomes.
Not saying Mahomes is a lock to be a superstar, but I liked him a lot out of college, and his arm talent is translating so far.
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Drafting Geno likely cost us a shot at Derek Carr. Drafting Hackenberg likely cost us a shot at Mahomes.
Not saying Mahomes is a lock to be a superstar, but I liked him a lot out of college, and his arm talent is translating so far.
Seeing the clip of him yesterday throwing that nice pass downfield made me rage on the inside and crestfallen on the outside.
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You guys underestimate the power of the Jets stench. We most certainly would have found a way to ruin Carr if he were a Jet.
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You guys underestimate the power of the Jets stench. We most certainly would have found a way to ruin Carr if he were a Jet.
Rex would've had him punt protecting.
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Drafting Geno likely cost us a shot at Derek Carr. Drafting Hackenberg likely cost us a shot at Mahomes.
Not saying Mahomes is a lock to be a superstar, but I liked him a lot out of college, and his arm talent is translating so far.
Patrick Mahomes has a stupid voice, so he will be a bust. Seriously though, he's in a far better situation in Kansas City - a team with an offensive minded head coach, a solid veteran QB, and a lot of talented skill players.
This team is just not set up for a young quarterback to succeed, no matter who it is. We have to have the worst offensive roster that I can remember. Austin Seferian-Jenkins is the best player in our passing game...a statement that should never have to be made.
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Patrick Mahomes has a stupid voice, so he will be a bust. Seriously though, he's in a far better situation in Kansas City - a team with an offensive minded head coach, a solid veteran QB, and a lot of talented skill players.
This team is just not set up for a young quarterback to succeed, no matter who it is. We have to have the worst offensive roster that I can remember. Austin Seferian-Jenkins is the best player in our passing game...a statement that should never have to be made.
No doubt, the Chiefs are a better situation than the Jets. Hard to find a team NOT in a better situation than the Jets.
I just really liked Mahomes coming out. He was my QB1, and I think I had him 5th or 6th on my Jets draft board. I loved Jamal Adams, so I'm not complaining about that pick, but this team would be a lot less depressing if we had a QB as promising as Mahomes.
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This franchise deserves Sam Darnold.
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This franchise deserves Sam Darnold.
The question is whether this franchise can help him succeed.
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Darnold is my No. 1 QB, but I would be thrilled with Josh Rosen, too. I love what I've seen from Josh Allen, too, but I'd need to watch more Wyoming games for a final evaluation.
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This franchise deserves Sam Darnold.
This...we've suffered as a fan base for too long.
The question is whether this franchise can help him succeed.
Todd Bowles isn't the chosen one.
Heis alluded to it in a previous post....this franchise needs an offensive-minded HC to help us turn the corner.
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This...we've suffered as a fan base for too long.
Todd Bowles isn't the chosen one.
Heis alluded to it in a previous post....this franchise needs an offensive-minded HC to help us turn the corner.
I'd stick with Duff, but if Gruden gets the itch to come back to coaching, with Darnold and a excrement ton of cap space, bye bye Bowles.
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I'd stick with Duff, but if Gruden gets the itch to come back to coaching, with Darnold and a excrement ton of cap space, bye bye Bowles.
Jon Gruden's not coming to a franchise that won't give him complete control.
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Pretty sure Gruden is happy where he is. I don't think the Jets are the long lost situation he was waiting to come back to.
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Pretty sure Gruden is happy where he is.
Have you watched Hard Knocks? He definitely wants to come back.
Dirk Koetter even jokes about it when Gruden leaves the room.
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I'm not sure why people are so excited about the idea of Gruden. He hasn't coached for a long time.
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Have you watched Hard Knocks?
I haven't.
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Christian Hackenberg: 'I'm as ready as I've ever been'
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Christian Hackenberg: 'I'm as ready as I've ever been'
The most empty quote ever.
I'm also as ready as I've ever been to cure cancer and have sex with all of the Victoria's Secret models at once.
Hey Bo, you ready to fly this helicopter upside down in a hurricane? I'm as ready as I've ever been. I've also never been ready.
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Christian Hackenberg: 'I'm as ready as I've ever been'
What's the alternative? 'I was definitely more ready last month'
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What's the alternative? 'I was definitely more ready last month'
I've been there.
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NJ.com reports Christian Hackenberg is still working "exclusively" with the scout team, and splitting reps with second-year UDFA Joel Stave.
All part of the plan
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All part of the plan
so glad we got him in the 2nd round. #hottakes
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Who else is going to run the scout team?
All backups in this league play with the scout team...
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Hack's gonna come out firing on all cylinders in 2018. Droppin' 50 yard dimes to Robby Anderson all day long. Y'all are so salty. Gonna be soooo much winning. You're gonna be tired of winning. You're gonna say, "please stop the winning, I can't take it anymore". Then Hack is gonna say, "Nope, we're gonna keep winning."
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Hack's gonna come out firing on all cylinders in 2018. Droppin' 50 yard dimes to Robby Anderson all day long. Y'all are so salty. Gonna be soooo much winning. You're gonna be tired of winning. You're gonna say, "please stop the winning, I can't take it anymore". Then Hack is gonna say, "Nope, we're gonna keep winning."
"If "winning" is cool, then I'm Miles Davis."
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Hack's gonna come out firing on all cylinders in 2018. Droppin' 50 yard dimes to Robby Anderson all day long. Y'all are so salty. Gonna be soooo much winning. You're gonna be tired of winning. You're gonna say, "please stop the winning, I can't take it anymore". Then Hack is gonna say, "Nope, we're gonna keep winning."
The only thing Hack will be dropping in 2018 is deuces.
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Who else is going to run the scout team?
All backups in this league play with the scout team...
Why is he splitting reps with a guy I didn’t even know we had?
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Why is he splitting reps with a guy I didn’t even know we had?
That guy should start.
#StartThatGuy
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Why is he splitting reps with a guy I didn’t even know we had?
They are just giving the defense looks at the opponents offense. Those reps don’t really matter - it isn’t even our offense.
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They are just giving the defense looks at the opponents offense. Those reps don’t really matter - it isn’t even our offense.
Reps for Hackenberg don’t matter? I’m not aware as to if these are the only reps he’s getting or he’s getting additional ones in a different portion of practice.
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Reps for Hackenberg don’t matter? I’m not aware as to if these are the only reps he’s getting or he’s getting additional ones in a different portion of practice.
Scout team reps do not matter. He is running a different offense on a weekly basis. I'm sure it gives him a look against a decent secondary, but he is running our opponent's offense to help our defense in practice.
Like I said earlier, who else is supposed to run the scout team? You only get a limited amount of players and he was the third string quarterback two weeks ago...that was his job all season long. It's a report that most people will blow out of proportion because they associate the scout team with garbage players.
He was a scout team player all season long. It's not surprising.
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Ew why do we have Joel Stave?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/bmarshall/status/946479215775535104?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Eother
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https://mobile.twitter.com/bmarshall/status/946479215775535104?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Eother
I'd really like to see him in a game, we know what Petty is
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I'd really like to see him in a game, we know what Petty is
Agreed. Is one game going to undue everything over the last 2 years? What's the downside.
Cue JE - 'he's a three year plan you must wait three years!'
Got it.
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Agreed. Is one game going to undue everything over the last 2 years? What's the downside.
Cue JE - 'he's a three year plan you must wait three years!'
Got it.
The downside is that he plays at exactly the level he's at, which is that of a developmental prospect who is part way through his development process, and the fans bitch and whine and moan all summer about how he's been with the team for two years and despite being a second round pick still isn't looking like the second coming of Joe Montana.
Like I keep saying, the only reason for playing him on Sunday is for the fans to get a look at him. The coaching staff already know exactly what they've got.
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The downside is that he plays at exactly the level he's at, which is that of a developmental prospect who is part way through his development process, and the fans bitch and whine and moan all summer about how he's been with the team for two years and despite being a second round pick still isn't looking like the second coming of Joe Montana.
Like I keep saying, the only reason for playing him on Sunday is for the fans to get a look at him. The coaching staff already know exactly what they've got.
I don't agree with this. There are many other reasons to give a QB reps in a live game.
- Give them the feel for live football at a professional level
- Develop their ability to read the defense
- Build their confidence
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I don't agree with this. There are many other reasons to give a QB reps in a live game.
- Give them the feel for live football at a professional level
- Develop their ability to read the defense
- Build their confidence
- They're already training with and against professionals. Everything about a professional franchise is professional
- That's done in the QB room and on the training field
- Put a player out who isn't ready and you're going to destroy his confidence, not build it
I don't mind if the coaching staff want to give him some of the game on Sunday, and as I've already said I think that this might be a good game to do it. I just think people's reasoning for wanting it to happen is everything to do with their own curiosity and nothing to do with sensibly trying to develop a QB.
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Hack is gonna make the turnaround and light em up next year. But just in case he doesn't, let the record show he might suck.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/bmarshall/status/946479215775535104?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Eother
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Rob Arcate
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Yea you know a thing or 2 about drops
- They're already training with and against professionals. Everything about a professional franchise is professional
- That's done in the QB room and on the training field
- Put a player out who isn't ready and you're going to destroy his confidence, not build it
I don't mind if the coaching staff want to give him some of the game on Sunday, and as I've already said I think that this might be a good game to do it. I just think people's reasoning for wanting it to happen is everything to do with their own curiosity and nothing to do with sensibly trying to develop a QB.
On this one we completely agree. I won't have any problem seeing Hackenberg for a quarter or two on Sunday, but there's no need in my mind. As you said, the coaching staff has seen him every day for 2 years. They know where his progress is at.
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- They're already training with and against professionals. Everything about a professional franchise is professional
- That's done in the QB room and on the training field
- Put a player out who isn't ready and you're going to destroy his confidence, not build it
I don't mind if the coaching staff want to give him some of the game on Sunday, and as I've already said I think that this might be a good game to do it. I just think people's reasoning for wanting it to happen is everything to do with their own curiosity and nothing to do with sensibly trying to develop a QB.
You say you think it might be a good game for Hackenberg to get playing time... What is your reasoning as to why he should play?
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There is one thing that almost every QB that was a back up and becomes a successful starter has in common: They're tearing it up in practice, either against the starters or with the second team.
I can make a list of guys that were no names or behind a successful starter at first that were tearing it up:
Russell Wilson
Kurt Warner
Tony Romo
Kurt Cousins
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
The list is much bigger, this is just the low hanging fruit. I have not heard one sniff of Hackenberg tearing it up in practice. If he was, you would know he was doing well.
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You say you think it might be a good game for Hackenberg to get playing time... What is your reasoning as to why he should play?
I didn't say he should play. I said that if the coaching staff have decided that they want to give him some NFL reps because they think he's ready to see a bit of action, this is probably a good game in which to do it.
I already explained why, but essentially it's a road game (so no home fans getting on his back), no one expects us to win, it doesn't really matter if we don't, and New England's front seven isn't terribly fearsome.
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Kurt Cousins
Captain Kurt
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Kunt Cousins.
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Kirk Cobainsins
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Rotoworld:
Jets GM Mike Maccagnan said the "book" on Christian Hackenberg "is not closed."
Yes, it is.
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Rotoworld:
when did they open the book?
it's still in shrinkwrap
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when did they open the book?
it's still in shrinkwrap
It's on back order, scheduled to arrive for the 2019 camp.
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The one thing that's on Hackenberg's side is that he's still young. The Jets usually like to draft older players, which has rarely worked out, but Hack is still just 22. He's just 2 months older than Baker Mayfield.
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McCown interview on the Fan:
- Hack has the ability to be a starting QB
- shows moments/plays that back his 2nd round selection
- had a “good offseason” last year, believes another one this year will be key in his progression
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McCown interview on the Fan:
- Hack has the ability to be a starting QB
- shows moments/plays that back his 2nd round selection
- had a “good offseason” last year, believes another one this year will be key in his progression
Which means he will be summarily cut before training camp.
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- shows moments/plays that back his 2nd round selection
He must have picked up a bar tab.
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He's never thrown an INT in an NFL game, so he's got that going for him.
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All praise to the Hackgod
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I never doubted him.
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I never doubted him.
I still do. He blows.. media phenom watch the Penn State OSU game from that year, All they did was blow him, as he got smoked.
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Hell let him be #3. If we're at #3 we're toast anyway.
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Hell let him be #3. If we're at #3 we're toast anyway.
Petty is better.
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I still do. He blows.. media phenom watch the Penn State OSU game from that year, All they did was blow him, as he got smoked.
Better be careful. Cimini or Manish might steal this gold.
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I still do. He blows.. media phenom watch the Penn State OSU game from that year, All they did was blow him, as he got smoked.
Dude, Hack, was overall #1 overall Hs recruit, they said he could be, next joe montanya. Check, highlight reel, do not disparage, the Hackgawd. Highlight, elite arm strength, James Franklin, minor coaching issue, easily fixed. Sign Allen, Robinson, his #1, overall receiver when he had , dominant freshman year. You heard it hear first, or you can, hear about it by reading my column at www.youreafuckingjoke.com.
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Petty is better.
Blasphemy
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Dude, Hack, was overall #1 overall Hs recruit, they said he could be, next joe montanya. Check, highlight reel, do not disparage, the Hackgawd. Highlight, elite arm strength, James Franklin, minor coaching issue, easily fixed. Sign Allen, Robinson, his #1, overall receiver when he had , dominant freshman year. You heard it hear first, or you can, hear about it by reading my column at www.youreafuckingjoke.com.
so you are a sub, that likes to be spanked?
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Blasphemy
The coaching staff clearly agreed with me, is there a medical procedure to rid you of he extra chromosome
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The coaching staff clearly agreed with me, is there a medical procedure to rid you of he extra chromosome
Josh Allen had the most chromosomes out of all the QBs at the combine. #elite
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There's a part of me that keeps hanging on to hope that Hackenberg suddenly pans out and becomes an elite QB.
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There's a part of me that keeps hanging on to hope that Hackenberg suddenly pans out and becomes an elite QB.
I remain exactly where I was last year - he's a three year project who's two years in, and we haven't seen him take a snap in anger yet. It is impossible for us to know where he's at, and unfair of us to judge.
He's my QB3 for next year and it's not really a difficult decision.
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I remain exactly where I was last year - he's a three year project who's two years in, and we haven't seen him take a snap in anger yet. It is impossible for us to know where he's at, and unfair of us to judge.
He's my QB3 for next year and it's not really a difficult decision.
To me, it's dependent on a couple of other factors. The first being who they acquire in free agency. If it's Cousins, then there's no reason to get rid of Hackenberg. If it's McCarron, then maybe he stays another year. If it's Bridgewater or Bradford, then it depends who the Jets draft. If they draft a QB in round 1, the QB room should be Bridgewater/Bradford, McCown, rookie. Though I guess there's no harm in bringing Hackenberg into camp and letting him work his way onto the roster if he can.
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I remain exactly where I was last year - he's a three year project who's two years in, and we haven't seen him take a snap in anger yet. It is impossible for us to know where he's at, and unfair of us to judge.
He's my QB3 for next year and it's not really a difficult decision.
You don't draft 3 year projects in the 2nd round. Biggest reason why i hate that pick.
We don't have that luxury with an underwhelming roster. Let's hope Duff has learned his lesson.
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You don't draft 3 year projects in the 2nd round. Biggest reason why i hate that pick.
We don't have that luxury with an underwhelming roster. Let's hope Duff has learned his lesson.
I understand that, but we did. You can complain about it all you like but it won't turn back time, so you can either throw it away as a bad idea or you can see the project through to its end, whatever that is. For me I'd go with the latter, especially given the pretty much negligible opportunity cost of doing so.
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I understand that, but we did. You can complain about it all you like but it won't turn back time, so you can either throw it away as a bad idea or you can see the project through to its end, whatever that is. For me I'd go with the latter, especially given the pretty much negligible opportunity cost of doing so.
We have no choice but to see it through. What's done is done.
My point (which i'm sure you're aware of) is that we never should've gone down this path in the first place.
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We have no choice but to see it through. What's done is done.
My point (which i'm sure you're aware of) is that we never should've gone down this path in the first place.
Hindsight is 20/20. While well noted, I was and am still fine with the risk.
I'd much rather we wasted a 2nd on a player we like that fell to us, then trade up for a quarterback like Mahomes or Watson and risk additional future picks.
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Hindsight is 20/20. While well noted, I was and am still fine with the risk.
I'd much rather we wasted a 2nd on a player we like that fell to us, then trade up for a quarterback like Mahomes or Watson and risk additional future picks.
What you gonna use those picks for? Draft more Hackenbergs? “If they never play, then technically they’re not busts!!”
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Josh Allen had the most chromosomes out of all the QBs at the combine. #elite
Biggest freaking hands, by a large margin.
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To me, it's dependent on a couple of other factors. The first being who they acquire in free agency. If it's Cousins, then there's no reason to get rid of Hackenberg. If it's McCarron, then maybe he stays another year. If it's Bridgewater or Bradford, then it depends who the Jets draft. If they draft a QB in round 1, the QB room should be Bridgewater/Bradford, McCown, rookie. Though I guess there's no harm in bringing Hackenberg into camp and letting him work his way onto the roster if he can.
Hack uis a year past being cut. He sucks Mickey Macc, fell for the hype. Deal.
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You don't draft 3 year projects in the 2nd round. Biggest reason why i hate that pick.
We don't have that luxury with an underwhelming roster. Let's hope Duff has learned his lesson.
You under estimate the roster, Mickey Macc has been doing a good job, quietly. McCown, Allen Petty, cut Hack.
Safety, good for 4-5 years, WR same. Dl...meh. LB ..one good edge guy, CB. Middle of road, but Pressure fixes that.
Besides Allen, 3 needs. Stud RB (yes, that pendulum is swinging back) TE, and C)
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I can't help but read your posts in the voice of William Shatner
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I can't help but read your posts in the voice of William Shatner
haha
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I can't help but read your posts in the voice of William Shatner
Please. Mr.Tambourine man...
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#HackSZN
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Please make sure this thread is fully available so that when Hack takes the ball and becomes a premier NFL franchise QB in 2017 and 2018, we can get to play it back and stick it in the face of some of our gloom and doomer, negative nelly "oh the misery" benignos
I was actually gonna lock this thread after posting the back page but now after seeing this post I have to leave it open.
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Hahaha
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https://twitter.com/michael_nania/status/1276259870476566528?s=21
Ok time for bed
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Phoenix rising from the ashes...
https://twitter.com/winslowtwpfb/status/1367187375701581829
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Phoenix rising from the ashes...
https://twitter.com/winslowtwpfb/status/1367187375701581829
He'll somehow get cut after tryouts.
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He'll somehow get cut after tryouts.
As the QB coach?
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As the QB coach?
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For the second time today: LMAO!!!