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Title: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 16, 2015, 12:34:34 PM
Couldn't find an appropriate thread for this so started a new one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html?emc=edit_th_20150616&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=67445775
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on June 16, 2015, 12:59:36 PM
because of course you make this thread title and use that article
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 16, 2015, 01:05:35 PM
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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 16, 2015, 01:09:44 PM
because of course you make this thread title and use that article

Did you read the title of the article?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on June 16, 2015, 02:07:35 PM
Did you read the title of the article?

I read the entire thing.

It's an OP-Ed(not anything more)with misleading data from a paper with a very consistent political leaning.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on June 16, 2015, 02:37:40 PM
Thread should be called whiney bundle of sticks hippie thread

Or buried in the 15$/hr minimum wage
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 16, 2015, 06:29:51 PM
Yeah let's ignore the group that's openly calling out for attacks on civilians and focus on right wing extremists who may do dumb stuff because they have a lot of guns and hate gay people.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2015, 07:58:28 AM
I read the entire thing.

It's an OP-Ed(not anything more)with misleading data from a paper with a very consistent political leaning.

LOLno. Misleading data? You don't get to just say "I don't like those datasets so it's not true" without countering with actual, y'know, data.

Yeah let's ignore the group that's openly calling out for attacks on civilians and focus on right wing extremists who may do dumb stuff because they have a lot of guns and hate gay people.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that your reading of the article would be completely incorrect.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 17, 2015, 01:58:59 PM
That right-wing nutjob the FBI nabbed at Queens College this week is a real piece of work, huh?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/dad-defends-queens-college-student-accused-isis-plot-article-1.2260994 (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/dad-defends-queens-college-student-accused-isis-plot-article-1.2260994)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2015, 07:36:42 PM
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/17/415285162/third-man-arrested-in-new-york-pressure-cooker-bomb-plot
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 17, 2015, 08:14:53 PM
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/17/415285162/third-man-arrested-in-new-york-pressure-cooker-bomb-plot

I can't help but imagine Four Lions when I read that article.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 17, 2015, 09:35:36 PM
The couple who dressed as the joker and harley quinn who killed people for no reason are no different than these ISIS lovers.

Discuss.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 17, 2015, 11:25:15 PM
Damien Woody joined ISIS?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 18, 2015, 08:41:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHxAkFLUcAAysJq.jpg)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on June 18, 2015, 08:44:18 PM
(http://cbsbaltimore.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/shot-of-whiskey-thinkstock.jpg)


Canadian Shooter
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2015, 08:45:18 PM
Everyone pack up and go home, we'll see you tomorrow. MB just won today's internet.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on June 19, 2015, 12:25:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHxAkFLUcAAysJq.jpg)
This excrement and the outrage about the media not caring when a white person shoots a black.

The last 9 freaking months has been absolutely nothing but outrage about white cops killing blackmen
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 19, 2015, 01:36:00 PM
This excrement and the outrage about the media not caring when a white person shoots a black.

The last 9 freaking months has been absolutely nothing but outrage about white cops killing blackmen

Why do always try to twist the topic into a different topic like that?

Just go through your own post history and you can see the cartoon is true. As its coming out that he targeted the church because he knew it was a black church your posting that he didn't have an ideology and just seems like a nutcase.

Confront your cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 19, 2015, 01:40:05 PM
Why do always try to twist the topic into a different topic like that?

Just go through your own post history and you can see the cartoon is true. As its coming out that he targeted the church because he knew it was a black church your posting that he didn't have an ideology and just seems like a nutcase.

Confront your cognitive dissonance.

This

and also, he should kill himself
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 19, 2015, 01:41:12 PM
Pretty sure this guy was both a racist and insane.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 19, 2015, 01:43:33 PM
Pretty sure this guy was both a racist and insane.

How often do we see Muslim and black criminals labeled insane? 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 19, 2015, 01:44:22 PM

How often do we see Muslim and black criminals labeled insane?

Depends on who we're talking about. Richard Reid? Insane. Osama? Not insane.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 19, 2015, 03:31:26 PM

Depends on who we're talking about. Richard Reid? Insane. Osama? Not insane.

I don't know how insane this guy was (or how sane Osama was), but he sure does bear a more striking resemblance to your garden variety Islamic terrorist than people seem willing to admit.  Different ideology, but he reeks of the same level of fanaticism.

I've spent a lot of time this week learning about Muslim tradition when it comes to death and burial, and I'm even more amazed by the number of rules involved in the Muslim faith and the sheer obedience it requires.  The discipline is used in the Muslims I know to live a life of added peace and devotion to their families, but we have seen how easily that gets twisted.  There's a part of the brain wired for faith, and when your faith requires obedience, it's dangerous if you get it turned the wrong way.

This guy seems to have done this out of intense fear and some sense of necessity to protect his community.  My fear is that this whole persecuted Christian routine (and Lindsey Graham trotted it right out) is going to lead to an increase in "justifiable" violence from the right.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
This guy seems to have done this out of intense fear and some sense of necessity to protect his community.

So... he's crazy then.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 19, 2015, 06:10:37 PM

So... he's crazy then.

Probably.  I'm just not sure how much "crazier" he is than every other terrorist out there.  Fanatic adherence to any cause is a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 19, 2015, 06:42:34 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/19/guns-church-charleston_n_7621988.html

Quote
Gun activists have said allowing guns in church could have stopped Wednesday's killings at a Charleston, South Carolina, church, and they wasted no time blaming murdered pastor and state Sen. Clementa Pinckney (D).

In a post on gun activist website TexasCHLForum.com, National Rifle Association board member Charles L. Cotton argued that Pinckney was responsible for the deaths of the eight church members who died alongside him because he did not support legislative proposals that would have allowed concealed carry in churches. Cotton wrote that the victims “might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns.”

texas

As a state senator, Pinckney had opposed a 2011 bill that would have legalized concealed carry in churches. The bill ultimately failed in the legislature.

Bryan Fischer, a conservative talk-radio host also called for concealed carry in churches in tweets Thursday, but he stopped short of blaming Pinckney.

Misguided bans on guns in houses of worship turned this black church in SC into a shooting gallery. Nobody could shoot back.

Fischer also tauntingly used the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter.

Time to allow concealed carry in churches. #BlackLivesMatter

South Carolina is a “shall issue” state, meaning that it requires state law enforcement officials to provide concealed carry permits to residents who pass a background check and undergo fingerprinting. It does not allow concealed carry in churches or other houses of worship. However, people may bring concealed carry weapons to churches if they receive “express permission” from church leaders.

The NRA has yet to officially respond to the Charleston church massacre. It typically does not comment on mass shootings.

Facing mounting public pressure to respond to the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, the NRA called for armed guards at schools.

There is no evidence that the presence of civilians with guns limits or prevents mass shootings. A 2012 Mother Jones investigation revealed that none of the 62 mass shootings in the previous 30 years were stopped by a civilian with a gun.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2015, 07:29:53 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/19/guns-church-charleston_n_7621988.html


"My hymnal you poopchute!"

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/7b418eca788d5004a2a5342c9f87d026/tumblr_n6rxibJNVc1qjqp6eo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 19, 2015, 08:02:41 PM

I don't know how insane this guy was (or how sane Osama was), but he sure does bear a more striking resemblance to your garden variety Islamic terrorist than people seem willing to admit.  Different ideology, but he reeks of the same level of fanaticism.

I've spent a lot of time this week learning about Muslim tradition when it comes to death and burial, and I'm even more amazed by the number of rules involved in the Muslim faith and the sheer obedience it requires.  The discipline is used in the Muslims I know to live a life of added peace and devotion to their families, but we have seen how easily that gets twisted.  There's a part of the brain wired for faith, and when your faith requires obedience, it's dangerous if you get it turned the wrong way.

This guy seems to have done this out of intense fear and some sense of necessity to protect his community.  My fear is that this whole persecuted Christian routine (and Lindsey Graham trotted it right out) is going to lead to an increase in "justifiable" violence from the right.

By calling this a new form of terrorism is being completely disingenuous. This is far more akin to Colin Fergusen and the LIRR shooting than anything coming out of the Middle East. Both lone gunman acting on their own perverted idea of justice.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 19, 2015, 08:10:18 PM
By calling this a new form of terrorism is being completely disingenuous. This is far more akin to Colin Fergusen and the LIRR shooting than anything coming out of the Middle East. Both lone gunman acting on their own perverted idea of justice.

Oh ok.  So Dzhokhar Tsarnaev isn't a terrorist either?  Two guys acting on their own perverted idea of justice?  The Tsarnaev brothers were self taught on the internet.  They weren't affiliated with a terrorist organization, they were seeking retribution.  From the accounts of the survivors, that's what Roof was doing as well.  The excrement he said could be found on any number of right wing message boards.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 19, 2015, 08:12:56 PM

Oh ok.  So Dzhokhar Tsarnaev isn't a terrorist either?  Two guys acting on their own perverted idea of justice?

No, those two didn't invent killing civilians in the name of Islam. That ideology already exists and is the MO of dozens of organizations worldwide.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 19, 2015, 08:14:00 PM

No, those two didn't invent killing civilians in the name of Islam. That ideology already exists and is the MO of dozens of organizations worldwide.

You think Roof invented racially motivated murder?  The church he shot up was previously burned to the ground after one of its founders was killed.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 19, 2015, 08:14:43 PM
TIL Roof was the first guy ever to claim that blacks needed to be exterminated for taking over this country.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 19, 2015, 08:18:35 PM

You think Roof invented racially motivated murder?  The church he shot up was previously burned to the ground after one of its founders was killed.

I'm not suggesting it wasn't a hate crime, but calling it terrorism implies some sort of widely accepted ideology that killing blacks is an acceptable method of racial segregation. Can you imagine the reaction if a black guy killed a few white people for being white and we called it black terrorism? People would flip their excrement. "Right wing extremism" implies that there are large groups of people on the right who agree with excrement like this.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 19, 2015, 08:22:36 PM
I'm not suggesting it wasn't a hate crime, but calling it terrorism implies some sort of widely accepted ideology that killing blacks is an acceptable method of racial segregation. Can you imagine the reaction if a black guy killed a few white people for being white and we called it black terrorism? People would flip their excrement. "Right wing extremism" implies that there are large groups of people on the right who agree with excrement like this.

Ok, so Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber weren't terrorists either because their ideologies weren't widespread enough.  Got it.

You don't want to call it terrorism because the victims were black and you feel some sense of injustice because it 'wouldn't be terrorism' if the tables were turned.  If a black guy killed some white people and said that it was time to wipe white people out, every. single. person I know, damn well including every black person I know would call him a terrorist.  This isn't guessing at ideology.  The guy stated what he was doing.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 19, 2015, 08:34:53 PM

Ok, so Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber weren't terrorists either because their ideologies weren't widespread enough.  Got it.

You don't want to call it terrorism because the victims were black and you feel some sense of injustice because it 'wouldn't be terrorism' if the tables were turned.  If a black guy killed some white people and said that it was time to wipe white people out, every. single. person I know, damn well including every black person I know would call him a terrorist.  This isn't guessing at ideology.  The guy stated what he was doing.

Fine, call it terrorism. Call it right-wing or white-terrorism. Let's perpetuate the myth that whitey is out to get black people, because that's all that will accomplish. Bleeding hearts will be all up in people's faces about it, people who don't necessarily hold racist views will start doing so out of resentment because of all the bullshit accusations, and we're going to repeat this cycle over and over again. Society will remain extremely sensitive about everything, and any actual honest debate about race will become practically impossible.

We always have to label excrement and group people together. It's always a (group) vs (group). And it'll never end.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 19, 2015, 08:41:00 PM
Let's perpetuate the myth that whitey is out to get black people, because that's all that will accomplish.

holy excrement

It's a freaking a shame that a child of immigrants is this freaking openly racist.  How did you become this way?

The kid said that he wanted to kill black people and start a race war.  He had the confederate flag on his license plate.  He had pro-apartheid African patches on his jacket.

He was out to get black people.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 19, 2015, 08:50:09 PM
Fine, call it terrorism. Call it right-wing or white-terrorism. Let's perpetuate the myth that whitey is out to get black people, because that's all that will accomplish. Bleeding hearts will be all up in people's faces about it, people who don't necessarily hold racist views will start doing so out of resentment because of all the bullshit accusations, and we're going to repeat this cycle over and over again. Society will remain extremely sensitive about everything, and any actual honest debate about race will become practically impossible.

We always have to label excrement and group people together. It's always a (group) vs (group). And it'll never end.

I'm pretty sure no one is calling it white terrorism.  They're calling it terrorism.  And did you hear the response from the victims' families?  The ones who went to trial today and said that they're going to return his hatred with love because he's trying to start a race war?  I suspect this will have a different response than police action.  It's not systemic.  Unless more of these "white terrorists" as you call them emerge, I think you'll see some solidarity condemning the acts.  People like Lindsey Graham who deny what happened or downplay it are the ones doing damage here.  Especially when they try to spin it as anti-Christian attacks after the guy claimed it was racially motivated.

It was a fanatic acting on a dangerous ideology.  That's terrorism.  You're so afraid to label excrement when it threatens you, but you're perfectly content to do so when it's convenient.

And it's a myth that all white people are out to get black people.  It's not a myth that the system perpetuates the degradation of the black man.  It's also not a myth to suggest that most people don't want to see that changed.  Not really.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 19, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
holy excrement

It's a freaking a shame that a child of immigrants is this freaking openly racist.  How did you become this way?

The kid said that he wanted to kill black people and start a race war.  He had the confederate flag on his license plate.  He had pro-apartheid African patches on his jacket.

He was out to get black people.

There's powerful history there.  The last one in frequently sets himself up as a strong opponent of the black man to boost his own social status.  It's been the case all through American history.  Hell, the Irish weren't considered white until they differentiated themselves from blacks and whites needed them to maintain majority status.  Poor whites in the South who couldn't dream of owning or profiting from slaves were among its staunchest supporters because it upheld a social stratification that allowed them some measure of superiority.  The truth is, an awful lot of people need to maintain a low status for blacks because it allows them to at least stand on the shoulders of one group.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 19, 2015, 08:57:40 PM

There's powerful history there.  The last one in frequently sets himself up as a strong opponent of the black man to boost his own social status.  It's been the case all through American history.  Hell, the Irish weren't considered white until they differentiated themselves from blacks and whites needed them to maintain majority status.  Poor whites in the South who couldn't dream of owning or profiting from slaves were among its staunchest supporters because it upheld a social stratification that allowed them some measure of superiority.  The truth is, an awful lot of people need to maintain a low status for blacks because it allows them to at least stand on the shoulders of one group.

I actually agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 19, 2015, 08:58:58 PM
I actually agree with all of this.

But do you not agree that it shouldn't have to be that way? 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2015, 09:03:01 PM
Are we sure this isn't TDK?

(http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_25/1081401/150618-dylann-roof-mug-jhc-1028_96d44ee45dc8ecbf9ca7bb706956db75.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 19, 2015, 09:10:26 PM
Are we sure this isn't TDK?

(http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_25/1081401/150618-dylann-roof-mug-jhc-1028_96d44ee45dc8ecbf9ca7bb706956db75.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg)

No joke, he looks like what I'd expect if you and TDK had a baby.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2015, 09:36:40 PM
No joke, he looks like what I'd expect if you and TDK had a baby.

Don't pee me off white boy.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 20, 2015, 12:02:43 PM
I look forward to DCM amd Tommy's reaction to this.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us/dylann-storm-roof-photos-website-charleston-church-shooting.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on June 20, 2015, 12:20:40 PM
I look forward to DCM amd Tommy's reaction to this.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us/dylann-storm-roof-photos-website-charleston-church-shooting.html?_r=0
To what?

That he's a crazy psychopath racist with some deep seated mental issues?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 20, 2015, 12:21:21 PM
His inbred friend that CNN keeps interviewing has blood on his hands.  Supposedly Roof told him about a 6 month plan that he had in place to start a race war.

Thanks for speaking up, Jethro. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 20, 2015, 12:43:08 PM
To what?

That he's a crazy psychopath racist with some deep seated mental issues?


Yep.  And a terrorist.  Different ideology, same fanaticism.  Thank God he wasn't ex-military.  The most dangerous terrorists around, from Bin Laden to McVeigh, seem to be the ones we trained ourselves.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 20, 2015, 12:47:41 PM
To what?

That he's a crazy psychopath racist with some deep seated mental issues?


Thanks for delivering. I truly hope this is just an internet act you do for shits and giggles.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on June 20, 2015, 12:54:59 PM
Thanks for delivering. I truly hope this is just an internet act you do for shits and giggles.
I acknowledged that he's both crazy and a racist.

What's the issue?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 20, 2015, 04:08:29 PM
Didn't know DCM was the director of the FBI.

http://www.ktul.com/story/29367574/fbi-director-charleston-shooting-not-an-act-of-terrorism

"Terrorism is act of violence done or threatens to in order to try to influence a public body or citizenry so it's more of a political act and again based on what I know so more I don't see it as a political act. Doesn't make it any less horrific the label but terrorism has a definition under federal law," he said during a visit to Baltimore.


How does anyone with a high school education read that definition and say it doesn't apply to this situation!? Does the black population not count as a citizenry or something?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 20, 2015, 04:21:03 PM
That excrement makes me sick. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on June 20, 2015, 04:27:36 PM
Didn't know DCM was the director of the FBI.

http://www.ktul.com/story/29367574/fbi-director-charleston-shooting-not-an-act-of-terrorism

"Terrorism is act of violence done or threatens to in order to try to influence a public body or citizenry so it's more of a political act and again based on what I know so more I don't see it as a political act. Doesn't make it any less horrific the label but terrorism has a definition under federal law," he said during a visit to Baltimore.


How does anyone with a high school education read that definition and say it doesn't apply to this situation!? Does the black population not count as a citizenry or something?
What's the difference between a hate crime and terrorism?

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 20, 2015, 06:36:12 PM
Yep.  And a terrorist.  Different ideology, same fanaticism.  Thank God he wasn't ex-military.  The most dangerous terrorists around, from Bin Laden to McVeigh, seem to be the ones we trained ourselves.

Our killers are the best killers, I always say.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 20, 2015, 08:25:23 PM
It says he said that Friday.  It may have been prior to the word coming out that he told authorities he was trying to start a race war.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 20, 2015, 10:29:20 PM
How can a guy trying to foment a race war not be considered a terrorist, just curious. Wouldn't that be one of the definitions of terrorist?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 20, 2015, 11:00:58 PM
How can a guy trying to foment a race war not be considered a terrorist, just curious. Wouldn't that be one of the definitions of terrorist?

Because he's white. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Cane on June 21, 2015, 06:44:43 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33205339

Quote
Terrorism charges are discrete offences, including charges like material support for terrorist groups and use of weapons of mass destruction.
The US defines "domestic terrorism" as activities that meet three criteria - "dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law", are intended to intimidate or coerce civilians or governments, and occurs primarily within the US

...

Many of the most successful US terrorism prosecutions have been against suspects prosecuted for support or actions for overseas groups like al-Qaeda and Islamic State.

Domestic organisations and individuals, especially neo-Nazi and white supremacists, tend to be charged with conspiracy, organised crime and weapons violations, Beirich says.

Roof allegedly killed nine people who were attending bible study at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church
An attempt to bomb a Martin Luther King Jr Day parade in Seattle in 2011 was initially described as a "domestic terrorism incident", according to the Congressional Research Service.

The perpetrator later pleaded guilty to attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction and federal hate crimes. Afterwards the FBI said a "horrific hate crime" had been prevented, but the terrorism language was gone.
Terrorism prosecutions are harder to prove than regular crimes, Dr LaFree says, in part because the crucial parts of the charges rely on motive and other psychological factors.

"A relatively small number of cases of those that could be classified as terrorism are actually prosecuted as terrorism," he says, adding a study of Justice Department cases that went forward with terror charges had a lower conviction than those that didn't.

I just happened to come across this article which fits this discussion. I pulled out a couple key parts.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2015, 06:26:23 PM
So if terrorism charges have a lower conviction rate, I guess everyone really wants Roof to get off light.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 21, 2015, 10:17:30 PM
How can a guy trying to foment a race war not be considered a terrorist, just curious. Wouldn't that be one of the definitions of terrorist?

It's domestic terrorism in the form of a hate crime.

That's a flagrant one, or a penalty shot, or a 15 yard infraction.

It could be a 5 minute major. Depends on the judge.

This is the best I could illustrate how retarded the media can be when labeling an act that has been defined by the shooter himself.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 21, 2015, 10:18:12 PM
what
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 21, 2015, 10:18:45 PM
what

It just popped in there.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2015, 10:20:11 PM

It just popped in there.

Stop terrorizing this thread.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 21, 2015, 10:23:04 PM
Why do people care so much about this being labeled a terrorist act?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 21, 2015, 10:26:56 PM
Why do people care so much about this being labeled a terrorist act?

It's 2015. Everything needs a label.

I personally like Domestic Terrorism in the form a Hate Crime. If it was a US Citizen who was muslim and committed this act in the name of Allah, it would be terrorism and everyone would be in agreement, but the correct term should be, IMO, Domestic Terrorism in the form of Jihad.

He killed a senator. He's getting the death penalty.

He's no different between anyone on this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(terrorism)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2015, 10:35:03 PM

Why do people care so much about this being labeled a terrorist act?

Seriously, as long as he gets locked up forever I don't care what they call it.

Did anything happen to his father, who allegedly bought the gun for him?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 21, 2015, 10:37:23 PM
Did anything happen to his father, who allegedly bought the gun for him?

It sounds like both of his parents just gave him money to buy the gun, but they didn't want him to have it. 

It's weird.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 21, 2015, 10:38:04 PM
Seriously, as long as he gets locked up forever I don't care what they call it.

And it's not fair to that community to just call it a hate crime or a mass murder.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 21, 2015, 10:53:05 PM

It sounds like both of his parents just gave him money to buy the gun, but they didn't want him to have it. 

It's weird.

So he was just able to buy a gun?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 21, 2015, 10:55:18 PM

And it's not fair to that community to just call it a hate crime or a mass murder.

Why isn't it fair?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 21, 2015, 10:55:43 PM
So he was just able to buy a gun?

I believe so, but I'm not 100% certain.

Some are saying he bought it himself and that his charges didn't show in the background check because they were pending and others are saying his dad bought it for him. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 21, 2015, 10:58:27 PM
Why isn't it fair?

freak off, Tommy. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 22, 2015, 06:35:16 AM
Seriously, as long as he gets locked up forever I don't care what they call it.

Did anything happen to his father, who allegedly bought the gun for him?
Yep.  They should just make up a charge that insults him.  37 counts of black sodomy.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 22, 2015, 10:03:39 AM

Why do people care so much about this being labeled a terrorist act?

Because it was a terrorist act.  I care that certain people are attempting to excuse it and downplay it.  Lindsey Graham calling it a psycho Christian killer reinforces wrongheaded beliefs for a whole lot of people and perpetuates this idea that people of color are more dangerous as a whole than white people are or naturally more inclined to violence with actual meaning behind it.  As we saw from that article someone posted in here, that's just not true.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 22, 2015, 10:05:58 AM
If it were some radical atheist (I know, I know) who stormed the church and shot it up talking about needing to wipe Christianity out in this country, terrorism would have been screamed left and right.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 22, 2015, 10:13:39 AM
If it were some radical atheist (I know, I know) who stormed the church and shot it up talking about needing to wipe Christianity out in this country, terrorism would have been screamed left and right.

I am positive that would be the case.

freak off, Tommy. 

Lol yes.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on June 22, 2015, 11:23:18 AM
If it were some radical atheist (I know, I know) who stormed the church and shot it up talking about needing to wipe Christianity out in this country, terrorism would have been screamed left and right.

This actually made me wonder about two situations and how they'd be labeled.

1) A Muslim walks into a black church and executes everyone inside in the name of "ethnic cleansing."

2) A white guy walks into a mosque and executes everyone in the name of exterminating a false religion.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on June 22, 2015, 11:26:36 AM
I'm all for calling it terrorism if it means they get to lock him up in Guantanamo
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 23, 2015, 06:48:08 AM
LOS ANGELES –  Rapper Sean "Diddy" Combs was released from a Los Angeles jail late Monday, hours after he was arrested following a fight with a football coach at UCLA, where his son, Justin Combs, plays as a defensive back.

Jail records showed that Combs was released after posting bail. The records showed that Combs' bail was $160,000, but sheriff's officials reached by phone said he posted $50,000. The reason for the discrepancy wasn't clear.

A rep from UCLA confirmed to Fox News that Combs, 45, was arrested on a charge of assault with a deadly weapon, which was a kettlebell. Later Monday, Los Angeles police updated the charges to three counts of assault with a deadly weapon, one count of making terrorist threats and one count of battery.

No one was seriously injured and campus police said they were investigating the incident.

According to TMZ, which first reported the arrest, UCLA strength and conditioning coach Sal Alosi was screaming at Justin as Combs watched from the sidelines. Combs allegedly confronted the coach in his office and was then arrested for assault.

Nathalie Moar, a spokeswoman for Combs Enterprises, said "I'm not commenting until all of the facts are sorted out."

UCLA Football coach Jim Mora later issued a statement saying, "I'm thankful that our staff showed the level of professionalism that they did in handling this situation. This is an unfortunate incident for all parties involved. While UCPD continues to review this matter, we will let the legal process run its course and refrain from further comment at this time."

Alosi gained a measure of infamy in football circles while a strength and conditioning coach for the New York Jets. During a December 2010 game against the Miami Dolphins, Alosi was caught tripping Nolan Carroll as the player ran down the field covering a punt. Alosi was suspended and fined as a result of the incident and resigned the following month. He has been the strength and conditioning coach at UCLA since 2012.

Justin Combs is a redshirt junior defensive back on the UCLA football team, which has been working out on campus. He has played in just a handful of games in his three years with the team.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 23, 2015, 07:22:21 AM
Guantanamo-diddy.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 23, 2015, 09:01:12 AM
Lolllllllll
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 23, 2015, 09:03:06 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-e-price/yes-youre-a-racist----and-a-traitor_b_7640654.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592


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While I was out jogging this morning, I passed a neighbor's house that I have passed every day for almost three years. Usually I stroll right on by without giving it a second thought. Today, though... today was different. I stopped in my tracks and blankly stared until a car honked at me to move out of the way.

This house flies a Confederate flag.

I don't live in South Carolina or even Maryland. I live in a small town in Central Pennsylvania, 50 miles north of Gettysburg -- the site of the most famous victory of the Civil War. Yet even here, a few hundred feet from my front door flies the unambiguous symbol of hatred, racism and treason.

Normally, this would elicit some fleeting contempt and I would go about my day. But with the slayings in Charleston very much on my mind, I found myself getting angry... very angry.

Angry at this person, this "neighbor" of mine. Angry at the culture that permits such blatant hatred. Angry at the media who provide cover for the ignorant. Angry at the teachers who perpetuate historical falsehoods. Angry at myself for not being angry before.

You see, I study traditional culture. More specifically, I study the ways in which today's culture manufactures and reinforces traditions through mass media. Folklorists have a unique disciplinary perspective for this sort of analysis because there was this period of time when the field was mired in "romantic nationalism." The "true character" of a people was said to be rooted in the culture of the volk and was glorified and incorporated into more modern political movements. Like Nazism. So folklorists have a keen interest in serving as the sort-of keepers of cultural authenticity, if you will. If anyone should be highlighting the ways in which "traditions" are being manufactured, distorted and consumed, it is us... me....................................................................
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on June 23, 2015, 10:12:16 AM
I got a Confederate flag license plate bracket for my car yesterday

#WhitePrideWorldwide
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 23, 2015, 11:27:09 AM
Considering it's the huffington post I wouldn't be surprised that the writer completely made it up to write a righteous outrage piece.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 23, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
I didn't click, I just read the quote Puck posted, but basically she said she got all pissed and then didn't do anything about it?  Like ask why it was there?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 23, 2015, 11:14:06 PM
Worse, it was a guy. "I stared angrily at the flag until someone beeped from
Behind me. Oh the righteous indignation I felt!"
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on June 24, 2015, 12:08:18 AM
Considering it's the huffington post I wouldn't be surprised that the writer completely made it up to write a righteous outrage piece.

that's the game played both by the media and retards on social media. It's to out outrage each other.

Overcompensation/weird form of white guilt

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2015, 06:07:46 AM
that's the game played both by the media and retards on social media. It's to out outrage each other.

Overcompensation/weird form of white guilt

This post makes me outraged.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2015, 06:17:48 AM
This post makes me outraged.
I'm out outraged by your post.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2015, 06:35:07 AM
I'm out outraged by your post.

Ouroboraged
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 24, 2015, 08:14:32 AM
I didn't click, I just read the quote Puck posted, but basically she said she got all pissed and then didn't do anything about it?  Like ask why it was there?

The only reason why I posted it. Full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Still though having the Confederate Flag flying in the North is really funny to me, it's not something I get mad at. I honestly chuckle. It's no different to me seeing a person that wears swastika or any other symbology of the sort. Most of those people would have been in the death camps right next to me. I laugh to myself.

To be clear I haven't met any of the latter, it's people I see on the boob tube.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Fenwyr on June 24, 2015, 11:52:40 AM
This post makes me outraged.

You're lucky.  It flat made my IQ drop.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 24, 2015, 04:12:40 PM
Someone on reddit made a good point about the confederate flag: it's a way to display southern pride while excluding black people.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 24, 2015, 04:13:02 PM
More righteous indignation: let's ban Gone With The Wind!

http://nypost.com/2015/06/24/gone-with-the-wind-should-go-the-way-of-the-confederate-flag/
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 24, 2015, 04:22:29 PM
More righteous indignation: let's ban Gone With The Wind!

http://nypost.com/2015/06/24/gone-with-the-wind-should-go-the-way-of-the-confederate-flag/

I read that hoping to find a satirical note, but sadly no. Clearly that's a ridiculous position.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2015, 05:04:00 PM
Southern pride should just be a flag with a pitcher of sweet tea on it.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 24, 2015, 05:13:08 PM

Southern pride should just be a flag with an insulin pump on it.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 24, 2015, 05:44:59 PM
^don't forget a bottle of Lipitor.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 24, 2015, 07:48:21 PM
The great irony is that the people who clamor most for the flag as a symbol of Southern pride tend to be those least likely to enjoy what the South can be most proud of: its rich literary tradition.  Not that BBQ, NASCAR, and SEC football aren't great achievements.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 24, 2015, 08:21:57 PM
The great irony is that the people who clamor most for the flag as a symbol of Southern pride tend to be those least likely to enjoy what the South can be most proud of: its rich literary tradition.  Not that BBQ, NASCAR, and SEC football aren't great achievements.

Samuel Langhorne Clemens says Get er done
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 24, 2015, 10:19:33 PM

Samuel Langhorne Clemens says Get er done

The great champion of the vernacular would look at today's south and see a gold mine of material.  It's sad to see what Southern humor has become.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on June 24, 2015, 10:24:54 PM
A$AP Rocky talking about drone strikes in Dope was a top tier terrorist discussion. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 25, 2015, 12:37:47 AM
More righteous indignation: let's ban Gone With The Wind!

http://nypost.com/2015/06/24/gone-with-the-wind-should-go-the-way-of-the-confederate-flag/

I hate Gone With the Wind, but only because Mr. Smith Goes to Washington was robbed of the Best Picture Oscar.  It's a much better film and one that has a whole lot of relevance today.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 25, 2015, 12:38:05 AM
A$AP Rocky talking about drone strikes in Dope was a top tier terrorist discussion. 

That was a great scene.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 25, 2015, 06:40:17 AM
Quote
Bostonherald - Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev apologized today for the killing and maiming he and his brother unleashed on the city before he was hauled away after being sentenced to death.

 

Tsarnaev stood and gave the following statement in court:

 

“Thank you your honor for giving me the opportunity to speak. I’d like to begin in the name of Allah, the exalted, the most gracious …

This is the blessed month of Ramadan and is the month of mercy from Allah to his creation. I want to ask forgiveness from Allah and his creation. I want to express gratitude to Allah and his creation.”

It is a month during which hearts change. Indeed a month of many lessons … If you have not thanked the people, you have not thanked god. So I’d first like to thank my attorneys, those who sit at this table, the table behind me and many more behind the scenes. They’ve done much good for me and my family. Made my life in the last two years very easy. I cherish their company, their love … I’d like to thank those who took the time out of their daily life to come and testify on my behalf despite the pressure. I’d like to thank the jury for their service and the court.

If you are not merciful to Allah’s creation, Allah will not be merciful to you. I’d like to now apologize to the victims and the survivors.

(He paused and coughed.)

Immediately after the bombing, in which I am guilty of, if there’s any lingering doubt about that. I did do that along with my brother. I learned of some of the victims. I learned their names, their faces, their age, and throughout this trial, more of those victims were given names. More of those victims were given faces. And they had hearts and souls.

….

Allah says in the Koran that no soul is given more than they can bear. You told us how horrible it was. How horrendous it was the thing I put you through. I know that there isn’t enough time in the day to (apologize).

I wish that four more people had the chance to get up there, but I took that from them. I am sorry for the lives that I’ve taken. For the suffering I caused you, for the damage I’ve done, irreparable damage.

My religion is Islam. The god I worship beside no other god is Allah. And I pray to Allah to bestow his mercy on those affected by the bombing and their families. With every hardship .. I pray for your relief, for your healing for your well-being, for your strength.

I ask Allah to have mercy upon me and my brother and my family …

Praise be to Allah.”

 

There's no god where you're going, scumbag. Suck a bottomless bag of dicks in hell.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 25, 2015, 07:36:30 AM
It's almost like he's saying "sorry for the pain I caused but we did what we had to do."
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2015, 09:23:26 AM
It's almost like he's saying "sorry for the pain I caused but we did what we had to do."

"Sorry if you got upset."
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 25, 2015, 09:33:54 AM
11 Allah's and one god.

It took what, 2 minutes to deliver his speech?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 25, 2015, 09:57:41 AM
Hey my bad but my boy Allah is still gonna hook me the freak up after you fry me!
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 25, 2015, 10:00:34 AM
This is no different than any convict begging forgiveness from God in the courtroom as he apologizes to the victims and their families.  It's what you see in most courtrooms.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2015, 06:46:22 PM
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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2015, 07:07:51 PM
Those links in full, so that we're not going to get ourselves all worked up over stories of 140 characters or fewer:

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/22/i_am_not_the_tsarnaevs/

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/charleston_church_massacre_the_violence_white_america_must_answer_for/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 25, 2015, 07:23:35 PM
Haha, made you read Salon.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 25, 2015, 07:44:38 PM
Haha, made you read Salon.

I honestly don't know if I've ever looked at that site before. I'm assuming that with a name like that, it's the digital equivalent of the sort of idiot rag found in a ladies' hairdressers.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 25, 2015, 10:45:52 PM
Haha, made you read Salon.

I hate read Salon for a week once.

It made me hate white people.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 26, 2015, 01:15:52 AM
Patton Oswalt is great at taking down Salon:
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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 26, 2015, 01:38:53 AM
Hahahahah
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 26, 2015, 09:48:56 AM
The knock knock one is perfect.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 26, 2015, 09:54:35 AM
I think it might be time for France to close their fuckn borders.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 26, 2015, 09:59:20 AM
I think it might be time for France to close their fuckn borders.

Right, but what are they going to do with everyone already inside?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 26, 2015, 10:01:24 AM

Right, but what are they going to do with everyone already inside?

One problem at a time I guess.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 26, 2015, 10:34:15 AM
Nothing like a little Wahhabism and some uber right wing politics clashing together.

Grab some popcorn, and maybe a extra pair of underwear.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 26, 2015, 10:58:49 AM

Nothing like a little Wahhabism and some uber right wing politics clashing together.

Grab some popcorn, and maybe a extra pair of underwear.

Yeah, protecting a country's borders is uber right wing.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 26, 2015, 11:53:18 AM
Right, but what are they going to do with everyone already inside?

Ask Germany for assistance?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 26, 2015, 11:54:33 AM

Ask Germany for assistance?

Hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 26, 2015, 11:54:45 AM
Ask Germany for assistance?

Too soon.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 26, 2015, 12:07:32 PM
Too soon.

Yeah, like anyone wants Muslim immigrants to control Hollywood in 20 years.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2015, 03:59:32 PM
Yeah, like anyone wants Muslim immigrants to control Hollywood in 20 years.

I dunno, they might have some fresh movie ideas.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Fenwyr on June 26, 2015, 04:14:05 PM
I dunno, they might have some fresh movie ideas.

Jihad 3: The Search for Ali.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on June 27, 2015, 12:14:22 AM
Yeah, protecting a country's borders is uber right wing.

joke












you
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on July 08, 2015, 09:21:28 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/world/africa/tunisia-plans-to-build-antiterrorism-wall-along-border-with-libya.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 21, 2015, 06:40:14 AM
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Gays Have Aerosolized Homosexual Chemtrails, Covertly Attacking Christians

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Eyewitnesses report that gay men are running up to nuclear families and pulling out aerosol canisters, which emit some sort of rainbow-colored gas when pressed. The gas is potent and thought to be the very same homosexual chemtrail agent Obama has used in his global war to destroy Jesus and legalize gay marriage.

Two days ago, a gay man attacked Texas Governor Greg Abbott.  Religious Freedom Fighters (RFF) report communiques between known gay power players in Texas, showing that there is an organized effort to force the governor to inhale some of Obama’s morally lethal homosexual chemtrail.

The plan seems to be meant for use against not only strongholds of morality in Texas, but any man seen with a nuclear family or heteronormative habits.  Rogue, discrete gays are concealing and carrying these aerosol cans and suddenly running up to straight men, pinning their victim’s head down as they spray a good dose on them.

With such a high dosage directly administered, Texan men are finding themselves becoming more and more confused about their homosexuality.  The CDC reports that although the national average of homosexuality stands at a startling 2.2%, in Texas over 41% of Texan men now openly confirm their homosexuality.

This number does not include those who are secretive or agnostic about their homosexuality.



LOOK TO THE EAST
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on August 22, 2015, 09:19:12 AM
Hell yeah:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/france-train-shooting-americans-overpower/index.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on August 22, 2015, 04:34:12 PM

Well you have to give the French some credit for doing what they do best

Hell yeah:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/france-train-shooting-americans-overpower/index.html

"The car he was traveling in was next to the train engine car. After the shots were fired, he said he saw train staff run to the engine car and lock themselves in, but he complained passengers got no response as they banged on the door, pleading for help.

The passengers, he said, "were glued against each other, against the metallic door of the train engine car. We knocked hard on it. We screamed for the personnel to let us in, shouting, 'Open!' We wanted them to react! In vain. ... No one answered."
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on August 22, 2015, 05:55:19 PM
The first guy to take the shooter down was French.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: casman02 on August 22, 2015, 06:01:32 PM
The first guy to take the shooter down was French.

No defending the cheese eating surrender monkeys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZUKEVU-TwM
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 25, 2015, 12:52:27 PM
My dog can handle border security. He might be a racist though.

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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on August 31, 2015, 07:35:07 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/08/25/world/africa/ap-af-boko-haram.html?smid=fb-share
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on May 19, 2016, 02:01:53 PM
EgyptAir flying out of Paris crashes near Cairo. I think about 100 on board. Early Intel pointing to terrorism as a likely cause. Possibly a bomb.

I like how they point out that none of the passengers were on the terror watch list. Uh, I was sure hoping that terror watch lists were being shared around and one wouldn't be able to get on a plane anyway if they were on such a list in the first place.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 19, 2016, 02:42:33 PM
EgyptAir flying out of Paris crashes near Cairo. I think about 100 on board. Early Intel pointing to terrorism as a likely cause. Possibly a bomb.

I like how they point out that none of the passengers were on the terror watch list. Uh, I was sure hoping that terror watch lists were being shared around and one wouldn't be able to get on a plane anyway if they were on such a list in the first place.

Translation: "We'd just like to point out that this isn't our fault"
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on May 28, 2016, 06:06:50 AM
http://www.thedailystar.net/world/asia/husbands-can-lightly-beat-their-wives-pakistan-islamic-council-1230715

Lightly beating your wife is OK.  Closest thread I could find.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on May 28, 2016, 06:40:41 AM
http://www.thedailystar.net/world/asia/husbands-can-lightly-beat-their-wives-pakistan-islamic-council-1230715

Lightly beating your wife is OK.  Closest thread I could find.

EXCUSE ME SIR TERRORISM AND WIFE BEATING HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 28, 2016, 10:31:55 AM
EXCUSE ME SIR TERRORISM AND WIFE BEATING HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM

Eh, it's a lazy argument in both directions.  The fact that Islam is used to justify terrorism and wife beating is completely unconscionable.  It's always so jarring that parts of the world today can be socially stuck in a position the Western world (and Christianity) moved on from ages ago.

On the flip side, the people who act like Muslims have any sort of monopoly on either one are fools too.  Plenty of wife beaters and terrorists in this country, white, black, brown.  Thankfully none of them have the explicit support of the freaking government and major religious figures.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on May 28, 2016, 11:28:56 AM
http://www.thedailystar.net/world/asia/husbands-can-lightly-beat-their-wives-pakistan-islamic-council-1230715

Lightly beating your wife is OK.  Closest thread I could find.

Thanks dick, I was worried opening this thread there was another terrorist attack. I hope you eat something that gives you the runs and you excrement your pants basically I wish you a regular Saturday.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on May 28, 2016, 11:30:54 AM
Thanks dick, I was worried opening this thread there was another terrorist attack. I hope you eat something that gives you the runs and you excrement your pants basically I wish you a regular Saturday.
Alrighty
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on May 29, 2016, 11:06:05 AM
http://www.thedailystar.net/world/asia/husbands-can-lightly-beat-their-wives-pakistan-islamic-council-1230715

Lightly beating your wife is OK.  Closest thread I could find.

Shouldn't this be in the NFL offseason or Roger Goodell thread?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2016, 11:14:30 AM
Shouldn't this be in the NFL offseason or Roger Goodell thread?
Probably the lolpats thread. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on May 29, 2016, 11:41:01 AM

Eh, it's a lazy argument in both directions.  The fact that Islam is used to justify terrorism and wife beating is completely unconscionable.  It's always so jarring that parts of the world today can be socially stuck in a position the Western world (and Christianity) moved on from ages ago.

On the flip side, the people who act like Muslims have any sort of monopoly on either one are fools too.  Plenty of wife beaters and terrorists in this country, white, black, brown.  Thankfully none of them have the explicit support of the freaking government and major religious figures.

Islam was founded in a part of the world and at a time when society was insanely patriarchal. In roman society even, it was legal for a father to murder his spouse and children. Hell, up until 100 years ago it was just understood that most rights only really applied to men, so much so that they didn't even have to write laws stating that only men were allowed to vote, etc. It was just how things were.

The problem with Islam is that their religious texts cannot be interpreted in any other way aside from how it's written because they believe every word to be the word of God. And you can't interpret the word of God other than what he allegedly literally said. The Christian bible is different since the gospels are just accounts of Jesus' life and teachings, and debate in the original Catholic Church about rules etc were constantly going on. Even ended up with the reformation where others just decided to create their own version of the religion and interpret the bible how they wanted to.

Islam can't go through a reformation. It can't even be adjusted to fit modern times. It's the word of God and that's final. That's the biggest issue with it. I don't even think anyone in the west 100 years ago would've considered Islam a weird religion. The world has changed so much since then and it's become increasingly more obvious just how out of touch it is to what most of the world sees as morally appropriate.

Also, you can be Christian and not follow most of the rules. One can believe in God and Jesus' teachings but not go to church etc. Islam is different. If you don't follow the rules, you're not a Muslim. If you drink and eat pork, you can't claim to be a Muslim. It's all or nothing. Why? I actually asked my boss, who is devout, but aside from the not drinking, eating pork, adhering to the 5 times a day prayers, I asked him why he follows all the rules. His response was "The rules are set in place to remind us that Allah is more important than our daily lives." That's what it means to be Muslim. It's not a set of beliefs. You're a minion of God, his follower, and have to do what he says. That's also why it's tough for real Muslims to condemn the acts of terrorists, since honor killings and the murder of infidels (anyone who insults Islam) is literally justified in the Koran (allegedly) by Allah himself. And you can't argue with your creator.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on May 29, 2016, 02:40:16 PM
Islam was founded in a part of the world and at a time when society was insanely patriarchal. In roman society even, it was legal for a father to murder his spouse and children. Hell, up until 100 years ago it was just understood that most rights only really applied to men, so much so that they didn't even have to write laws stating that only men were allowed to vote, etc. It was just how things were.

The problem with Islam is that their religious texts cannot be interpreted in any other way aside from how it's written because they believe every word to be the word of God. And you can't interpret the word of God other than what he allegedly literally said. The Christian bible is different since the gospels are just accounts of Jesus' life and teachings, and debate in the original Catholic Church about rules etc were constantly going on. Even ended up with the reformation where others just decided to create their own version of the religion and interpret the bible how they wanted to.

Islam can't go through a reformation. It can't even be adjusted to fit modern times. It's the word of God and that's final. That's the biggest issue with it. I don't even think anyone in the west 100 years ago would've considered Islam a weird religion. The world has changed so much since then and it's become increasingly more obvious just how out of touch it is to what most of the world sees as morally appropriate.

Also, you can be Christian and not follow most of the rules. One can believe in God and Jesus' teachings but not go to church etc. Islam is different. If you don't follow the rules, you're not a Muslim. If you drink and eat pork, you can't claim to be a Muslim. It's all or nothing. Why? I actually asked my boss, who is devout, but aside from the not drinking, eating pork, adhering to the 5 times a day prayers, I asked him why he follows all the rules. His response was "The rules are set in place to remind us that Allah is more important than our daily lives." That's what it means to be Muslim. It's not a set of beliefs. You're a minion of God, his follower, and have to do what he says. That's also why it's tough for real Muslims to condemn the acts of terrorists, since honor killings and the murder of infidels (anyone who insults Islam) is literally justified in the Koran (allegedly) by Allah himself. And you can't argue with your creator.
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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on May 29, 2016, 03:02:43 PM
The general tone of Tommy's post reminded me of the South Park Nintendo Wii episodes.





 

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on May 29, 2016, 03:05:44 PM
90% of that is true.  Much less is relevant to what I said.  Either way, personal best for Tommy.  Nice job.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on May 29, 2016, 03:13:54 PM
90% of that is true.  Much less is relevant to what I said.  Either way, personal best for Tommy.  Nice job.

I think 90% is generous. Interpretation differences exist everywhere because: people.  Otherwise there wouldn't be Sunnis and Shiites.
Also, there are plenty of Muslims who are intensely hypocritical or non practicing. The amount of Muslims who drink is significant outside of the middle east. Granted, I guess if you go into it not expecting data or too much nuance from Tommy, this is a come up by comparison.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on May 29, 2016, 03:57:47 PM

I think 90% is generous. Interpretation differences exist everywhere because: people.  Otherwise there wouldn't be Sunnis and Shiites.
Also, there are plenty of Muslims who are intensely hypocritical or non practicing. The amount of Muslims who drink is significant outside of the middle east. Granted, I guess if you go into it not expecting data or too much nuance from Tommy, this is a come up by comparison.

Yeah but the vast majority of Muslims are Sunni, and outside of Iran and some pockets in Iraq, you don't see too many Shia. Besides, that schism pretty much started after Muhammad's death, and they don't agree too much on doctrine anyway.

And there are a ton of Muslims who don't practice, but do feel a sense of duty to protect the religion. Sort of like how most Jews identify themselves as such more ethnically and culturally than spiritually. Islam is more than a religion to most followers. It's a way of life, or the only way to live. That's why you see more fanatics on the Islamic side than in any other religion. They view any attack on Islam as they would an attack on themselves or their family. I asked a cab driver in Dubai why he hated Bush and the American government, after saying he has no problem with Americans as individuals, his answer was because "they are against Islam." That was enough. And it's enough for a lot of fanatics there.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on May 29, 2016, 04:00:00 PM
90% of that is true.  Much less is relevant to what I said.  Either way, personal best for Tommy.  Nice job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SHPsON0gTg
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 29, 2016, 06:45:17 PM
so much of what tommy said is not true. i wish i had the time right now to literally go through line for line and point out where he is wrong, which is something that can be done, but i just dont have that time right now. some of the things hes said have been said by him before, and ive responded in the past explaining why what he says is not true, but it seems over the span of years nothing has changed. so even if i did have the time, it may be a pointless endeavor to make a response


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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on May 29, 2016, 06:46:14 PM

so much of what tommy said is not true. i wish i had the time right now to literally go through line for line and point out where he is wrong, which is something that can be done, but i just dont have that time right now. some of the things hes said have been said by him before, and ive responded in the past explaining why what he says is not true, but it seems over the span of years nothing has changed. so even if i did have the time, it may be a pointless endeavor to make a response


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Meh.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on May 29, 2016, 07:49:30 PM
I think 90% is generous. Interpretation differences exist everywhere because: people.  Otherwise there wouldn't be Sunnis and Shiites.

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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: d sw0rdz on May 29, 2016, 08:12:01 PM
Meh.

good


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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 31, 2016, 03:56:03 PM
Islam was founded in a part of the world and at a time when society was insanely patriarchal. In roman society even, it was legal for a father to murder his spouse and children. Hell, up until 100 years ago it was just understood that most rights only really applied to men, so much so that they didn't even have to write laws stating that only men were allowed to vote, etc. It was just how things were.

The problem with Islam is that their religious texts cannot be interpreted in any other way aside from how it's written because they believe every word to be the word of God. And you can't interpret the word of God other than what he allegedly literally said. The Christian bible is different since the gospels are just accounts of Jesus' life and teachings, and debate in the original Catholic Church about rules etc were constantly going on. Even ended up with the reformation where others just decided to create their own version of the religion and interpret the bible how they wanted to.

Islam can't go through a reformation. It can't even be adjusted to fit modern times. It's the word of God and that's final. That's the biggest issue with it. I don't even think anyone in the west 100 years ago would've considered Islam a weird religion. The world has changed so much since then and it's become increasingly more obvious just how out of touch it is to what most of the world sees as morally appropriate.

Also, you can be Christian and not follow most of the rules. One can believe in God and Jesus' teachings but not go to church etc. Islam is different. If you don't follow the rules, you're not a Muslim. If you drink and eat pork, you can't claim to be a Muslim. It's all or nothing. Why? I actually asked my boss, who is devout, but aside from the not drinking, eating pork, adhering to the 5 times a day prayers, I asked him why he follows all the rules. His response was "The rules are set in place to remind us that Allah is more important than our daily lives." That's what it means to be Muslim. It's not a set of beliefs. You're a minion of God, his follower, and have to do what he says. That's also why it's tough for real Muslims to condemn the acts of terrorists, since honor killings and the murder of infidels (anyone who insults Islam) is literally justified in the Koran (allegedly) by Allah himself. And you can't argue with your creator.

Yeah but the vast majority of Muslims are Sunni, and outside of Iran and some pockets in Iraq, you don't see too many Shia. Besides, that schism pretty much started after Muhammad's death, and they don't agree too much on doctrine anyway.

And there are a ton of Muslims who don't practice, but do feel a sense of duty to protect the religion. Sort of like how most Jews identify themselves as such more ethnically and culturally than spiritually. Islam is more than a religion to most followers. It's a way of life, or the only way to live. That's why you see more fanatics on the Islamic side than in any other religion. They view any attack on Islam as they would an attack on themselves or their family. I asked a cab driver in Dubai why he hated Bush and the American government, after saying he has no problem with Americans as individuals, his answer was because "they are against Islam." That was enough. And it's enough for a lot of fanatics there.

But why?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on May 31, 2016, 03:57:56 PM
But why?


The joke doesn't really work when you do it.

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 31, 2016, 04:36:37 PM

The joke doesn't really work when you do it.

But why?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on May 31, 2016, 05:26:58 PM
#autismcares

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on May 31, 2016, 06:06:48 PM

The joke doesn't really work when you do it.


But why?

Actually I kind of liked it.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 28, 2016, 02:53:39 PM
excrement going down at Istanbul Airport.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/turkey-istanbul-airport-attacks/index.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 28, 2016, 02:55:56 PM
Sounds like police opened fire on a pair of suicide bombers who then blew themselves up.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on June 28, 2016, 06:23:03 PM
50 people confirmed dead

There's nothing I love more than the taste of cum.

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on June 28, 2016, 06:35:17 PM
I imagine ISIS/Muslim Extremists at it again
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 28, 2016, 06:49:17 PM
I imagine ISIS/Muslim Extremists at it again

I haven't seen the news for a couple of hours but they were unsure whether ISIS or Kurds. Turkey is a basketcase of a country.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 28, 2016, 06:54:08 PM
I haven't seen the news for a couple of hours but they were unsure whether ISIS or Kurds. Turkey is a basketcase of a country.

Yeah they said the PKK had a history of trying to do that at this airport.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 28, 2016, 07:51:15 PM
I can't imagine this being a PKK act. Most of their targets have been military. Civilian targets just screams ISIS.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 29, 2016, 07:10:44 AM
I can't imagine this being a PKK act. Most of their targets have been military. Civilian targets just screams ISIS.

While it does look like this one is ISIS, that's just not true. PKK/TAK have already made three suicide bomb attacks in Ankara and Istanbul this year and each time they've killed a number of civilians. 10 German tourists in Ankara in January, 37 people in Ankara in March, 7 cops and 4 civilians in Istanbul in June.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 29, 2016, 07:32:15 AM

While it does look like this one is ISIS, that's just not true. PKK/TAK have already made three suicide bomb attacks in Ankara and Istanbul this year and each time they've killed a number of civilians. 10 German tourists in Ankara in January, 37 people in Ankara in March, 7 cops and 4 civilians in Istanbul in June.

Just looked it up. I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 29, 2016, 07:36:19 AM
Just looked it up. I stand corrected.

A friend of mine works for a very large humanitarian agency and she has been in Turkey for a couple of years, that country is just a whole new world of fucked. She was in the DRC before Turkey and didn't think she could end up somewhere more screwed up than DRC.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 29, 2016, 08:33:58 AM

A friend of mine works for a very large humanitarian agency and she has been in Turkey for a couple of years, that country is just a whole new world of fucked. She was in the DRC before Turkey and didn't think she could end up somewhere more screwed up than DRC.

Which sucks because Western Turkey is very secular and Westernized. All of my Turkish friends are from Istanbul or Izmir.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 29, 2016, 11:20:52 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/istanbul-airport-attack-video-cctv-footage-shows-moment-police-officer-tackles-suicide-bomber-a7108636.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 02, 2016, 05:51:55 PM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/03/world/asia/bangladesh-hostage-standoff.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 02, 2016, 05:54:48 PM
Quote
The ISIS terrorists who slaughtered 20 foreign hostages inside a Bangladeshi café spared those who could recite passages from the Koran — and the gunmen even made sure their pious prisoners were well fed during the tense, 10-hour standoff.

A survivor’s father said the shooters gave food to the Muslim captives after they barricaded themselves inside the Holey Artisan Bakery, a café popular with diplomats and expats in the capital city of Dhaka.

“The gunmen asked everyone inside to recite from the Koran. Those who recited were spared. The gunmen even gave them meals last night,” said Rezaul Karim, whose Bangladeshi son was rescued from the besieged restaurant. “The others were tortured.”

The Islamic State claimed responsibility for the massacre and said its fighters targeted foreigners.

Three American college students — two from Emory University and one from University of California Berkley — were among the 20 killed.

The attackers stormed the shop late Friday night shouting “Allahu Akbar,” which means “God is Great” in Arabic. They ignored police’s attempts at negotiations and opened fire on the cops who had surrounded the restaurant, killing two officers.

Paramilitary troops eventually raided the café early Saturday morning, about 10 hours into the standoff, and killed six of the gunmen. A seventh was captured alive.


The team rescued 13 of the hostages. Twenty others — all foreigners — had already been killed by the terrorists, officials said.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 05:43:12 PM
Someone has driven a truck into a crowd of French people celebrating Bastille Day in Nice, reporting at least 60 dead. I put it in this thread as the media are reporting it as an attack and that the driver was shot dead, but I'll move it if it turns out to be something different.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 14, 2016, 05:55:47 PM
Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on July 14, 2016, 06:07:32 PM
Unbelievable.. when is this going to end for fucks sake? Muslim extremists again?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 06:09:09 PM
Unbelievable.. when is this going to end for fucks sake? Muslim extremists again?

Nothing confirmed yet, no one has claimed it. There were reports from the Daily Mail and Fox of gunmen holding hostages at the Meridien hotel but those have been debunked.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on July 14, 2016, 06:12:14 PM
If (and when) that gets reported I wonder how the world will react. Do we continue to sit back and promote peace?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 06:13:39 PM
If (and when) that gets reported I wonder how the world will react. Do we continue to sit back and promote peace?

Who would you propose going to war with?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on July 14, 2016, 06:14:52 PM
Who would you propose going to war with?
Saudi Arabia
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2016, 06:15:26 PM
The better question is how will this effect future brexits.

Being that terrorist open door policies and fear were a driver behind that
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 06:16:34 PM
Saudi Arabia

No doubt they're a bunch of cunts, but I'm fairly sure that would probably have the opposite effect you're after. Also, they're pretty well armed. We know that because we sold them most of their kit.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 06:17:03 PM
The better question is how will this effect future brexits.

Being that terrorist open door policies and fear were a driver behind that

I'm going to need you to explain that please.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2016, 06:25:11 PM
I'm going to need you to explain that please.

I worded that super shitty.

But basically how easy it is to travel for EU members to travel between EU nations makes it easier for terrorist as well.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 14, 2016, 06:29:12 PM
Who would you propose going to war with?
Clearly England, it's all their fault and in lieu of attacking Britain, you're on notice for the tailgate buddy.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 06:30:20 PM
I worded that super shitty.

But basically how easy it is to travel for EU members to travel between EU nations makes it easier for terrorist as well.

Which terrorists in particular were you thinking of? The guys who detonated themselves on trains and buses on 7/7? Because they were from Leeds. The guys who beheaded Lee Rigby in Dulwich? Because they were from London. In fact, I'm struggling to think of a single incident in the UK that could be even remotely linked to the free movement of EU nationals. Maybe you can help me out with that.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2016, 06:31:31 PM
Which terrorists in particular were you thinking of? The guys who detonated themselves on trains and buses on 7/7? Because they were from Leeds. The guys who beheaded Lee Rigby in Dulwich? Because they were from London. In fact, I'm struggling to think of a single incident in the UK that could be even remotely linked to the free movement of EU nationals. Maybe you can help me out with that.

So everyone who committed an EU act of terror was born and raised in the very nation they committed their acts of terror?

And I'm not taking about a particular EU nation but rather the EU as a whole

Regardless the fear is a bigger issue than the reality
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on July 14, 2016, 06:32:28 PM
For fun we can nuke Mecca
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 06:32:41 PM
Clearly England, it's all their fault and in lieu of attacking Britain, you're on notice for the tailgate buddy.

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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 14, 2016, 06:32:58 PM
There's no way to stop it other than go back in time and go to Iraq and re-do some of the single most retarded policies ever created.

1.) Attacking Iraq in the first place.
2.) Breaking up the Ba'ath party.

Our illustrious foray into Iraq created an immense power vacuum and secondarily the breaking up and telling the  Ba'ath party to freak themselves allowed many of them to start ISIS. We only have to look at ourselves for a lot of this nonsense. I said it before and I will say it again, nature abhors a vacuum.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 06:35:20 PM
So everyone who committed an EU act of terror was born and raised in the very nation they committed their acts of terror?

And I'm not taking about a particular EU nation but rather the EU as a whole

Well, you were. You were talking about Brexit, which is literally a portmanteau of British Exit. The EU's "terrorist open door policies" have nothing to do with Brexit. And if France closed its borders, radicalised French cunts would still kill people in France. You really need to sometimes stop and think about what you're saying because just letting words pour out onto the keyboard as they come into your head isn't always a great idea.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on July 14, 2016, 06:35:50 PM
There's no way to stop it other than go back in time and go to Iraq and re-do some of the single most retarded policies ever created.

1.) Attacking Iraq in the first place.
2.) Breaking up the Ba'ath party.

Our illustrious foray into Iraq created an immense power vacuum and secondarily the breaking up and telling the  Ba'ath party to freak themselves allowed many of them to start ISIS. We only have to look at ourselves for a lot of this nonsense. I said it before and I will say it again, nature abhors a vacuum.

That's how I view it too.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 14, 2016, 06:38:37 PM

There's no way to stop it other than go back in time and go to Iraq and re-do some of the single most retarded policies ever created.

1.) Attacking Iraq in the first place.
2.) Breaking up the Ba'ath party.

Our illustrious foray into Iraq created an immense power vacuum and secondarily the breaking up and telling the  Ba'ath party to freak themselves allowed many of them to start ISIS. We only have to look at ourselves for a lot of this nonsense. I said it before and I will say it again, nature abhors a vacuum.

Oh I'm sorry. I totally forgot that terrorism and terrorist attacks didn't happen before the Iraq invasion.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 14, 2016, 06:40:52 PM

There's no way to stop it other than go back in time and go to Iraq and re-do some of the single most retarded policies ever created.

1.) Attacking Iraq in the first place.
2.) Breaking up the Ba'ath party.

Our illustrious foray into Iraq created an immense power vacuum and secondarily the breaking up and telling the  Ba'ath party to freak themselves allowed many of them to start ISIS. We only have to look at ourselves for a lot of this nonsense. I said it before and I will say it again, nature abhors a vacuum.

Also, France opposed the war in Iraq, yet they seem to be ISIS' prime target.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2016, 06:41:56 PM
Well, you were. You were talking about Brexit, which is literally a portmanteau of British Exit. The EU's "terrorist open door policies" have nothing to do with Brexit. And if France closed its borders, radicalised French cunts would still kill people in France. You really need to sometimes stop and think about what you're saying because just letting words pour out onto the keyboard as they come into your head isn't always a great idea.

I meant future brexits as in other nations following in their footsteps and withdrawing from the EU.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 06:44:11 PM
I meant future brexits as in other nations following in their footsteps and withdrawing from the EU.

OK, but radicalised locals will just kill people in their own country rather than popping next door to do it. Closing EU borders will do very, very little to reduce terrorism, and in fact is likely to make things worse as it will create greater barriers to cross-border information sharing by the security forces.

I'm all for solutions, including killing people if they're the right ones to kill, but as yet no one has come up with one.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2016, 06:47:16 PM
OK, but radicalised locals will just kill people in their own country rather than popping next door to do it. Closing EU borders will do very, very little to reduce terrorism, and in fact is likely to make things worse as it will create greater barriers to cross-border information sharing by the security forces.

I'm all for solutions, including killing people if they're the right ones to kill, but as yet no one has come up with one.

I don't think it's the solution.

However was fear not a driving force behind the Brexit?

Is it not logical to assume fear would be a driving force behind future ones as well?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 14, 2016, 06:47:42 PM
Oh I'm sorry. I totally forgot that terrorism and terrorist attacks didn't happen before the Iraq invasion.
Also, France opposed the war in Iraq, yet they seem to be ISIS' prime target.

When you educate yourself on Iraq, our policies within Iraq, France and it's immigrant population etc etc etc. then you can argue with me. Talk to you later.


The genesis of ISIS was basically allowed to happen because of our foray into Iraq, look it up read about it. If you want to boil it down even more, you can blame Paul Bremer for the creation of ISIS. That's a freaking black and white fact.


Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 14, 2016, 06:50:57 PM

When you educate yourself on Iraq, our policies within Iraq, France and it's immigrant population etc etc etc. then you can argue with me. Talk to you later.

ISIS only replaced Al Qaeda as the main terrorist network. There were dozens of active networks that existed even before the Iraqi invasion. Do you remember 9/11? How about the first WTC bombing? Come on man. You can't seriously blame us for this.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 14, 2016, 06:51:26 PM
I don't think it's the solution.

However was fear not a driving force behind the Brexit?

Is it not logical to assume fear would be a driving force behind future ones as well?

There were some extremist dicks trying to use terrorist fears to stoke up the Leave vote, but they played little significant role. It was far more to do with the fact that leading right wing mouthpieces such as Johnson, Farage and Gove spun a load of lies about the EU taking huge amounts of money from the UK and giving nothing back - they drove home a message of saving $500M a week in EU payments despite it being continually and consistently proven to be a total fabrication, and it resonated with large swathes of working class societies who have been trampled and beaten by successive governments pandering to the corporate rooster.

That country is FUCKED, but terrorism - Islamic or otherwise - is the least of their problems.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 14, 2016, 06:53:04 PM
ISIS only replaced Al Qaeda as the main terrorist network. There were dozens of active networks that existed even before the Iraqi invasion. Do you remember 9/11? How about the first WTC bombing? Come on man. You can't seriously blame us for this.

First I am not blaming us, per se for this attack, I am matter of factly saying ISIS was allowed to be created because of us and our policies, that's a fact. It's not the first time one policy backfired and will not be the last. I don't see the problem with saying this, read about it.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on July 14, 2016, 06:55:26 PM
Well, you were. You were talking about Brexit, which is literally a portmanteau of British Exit. The EU's "terrorist open door policies" have nothing to do with Brexit. And if France closed its borders, radicalised French cunts would still kill people in France. You really need to sometimes stop and think about what you're saying because just letting words pour out onto the keyboard as they come into your head isn't always a great idea.

It's not just dcm though.  That's the frightening part. Scary segment of twitter.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 14, 2016, 06:56:02 PM
ISIS only replaced Al Qaeda as the main terrorist network. There were dozens of active networks that existed even before the Iraqi invasion. Do you remember 9/11? How about the first WTC bombing? Come on man. You can't seriously blame us for this.
Second, we destroyed AL Qaeda in Iraq but in the resulting nonsensical policies of Bremer, we allowed ISIS to form out of the ashes. If Bremer was smart ISIS would never have formed and Iraq and the Middle East would have been better off. Does that preclude a different group rising in that area? No it possibly could have happened.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 14, 2016, 06:56:56 PM

First I am not blaming us, per se for this attack, I am matter of factly saying ISIS was allowed to be created because of us. It's not the first time one policy backfired and will not be the last. I don't see the problem with saying this, read about it.

Did the void in Iraq allow ISIS to flourish? Sure. But ISIS only appeared 10 years after the invasion, and their main operations were in Syria, a Ba'athist regime. Rest assured that Assad and his cronies did all the Saddam like tactics to handle extremists.

Are you going to blame our policies for Al Qaeda too?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 14, 2016, 07:04:45 PM
Did the void in Iraq allow ISIS to flourish? Sure. But ISIS only appeared 10 years after the invasion, and their main operations were in Syria, a Ba'athist regime. Rest assured that Assad and his cronies did all the Saddam like tactics to handle extremists.

Are you going to blame our policies for Al Qaeda too?

Your political arguments are like football arguments with junc, that constant moving of the bar all over the place to prove a point is a waste of freaking time. I am glad you read wiki.


Where did most of ISIS leadership come from? Why did they gravitate to ISIS? Why were they radicalized? Why didn't Bremer listen to McChrystal and the other top Generals, and what were the ramifications? Why were AL Qaeda in Iraq destroyed and why did that lead to ISIS? Was AQII truly aligned with AQ or were they just a splinter group? Do you know the policies that destroyed AQII and why it backfired with ISIS?

You brought up AL Qaeda, I did not, no our policies destroyed and/or had them on the run. Since you brought that up, why were they on the run and virtually destroyed as a viable entity? Was it because of Iraq or some other country(ies)? Why are you bringing them up as they virtually have nothing to do with ISIS but hey have fun........
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on July 14, 2016, 07:20:19 PM
Looks like we have a bunch of history professors in here.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on July 14, 2016, 07:29:22 PM
Looks like we have a bunch of history professors in here.
Gotta love election time. freak this, I'm gonna get drunk/high and play Pokemon
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 14, 2016, 07:30:41 PM

Your political arguments are like football arguments with junc, that constant moving of the bar all over the place to prove a point is a waste of freaking time. I am glad you read wiki.


Where did most of ISIS leadership come from? Why did they gravitate to ISIS? Why were they radicalized? Why didn't Bremer listen to McChrystal and the other top Generals, and what were the ramifications? Why were AL Qaeda in Iraq destroyed and why did that lead to ISIS? Was AQII truly aligned with AQ or were they just a splinter group? Do you know the policies that destroyed AQII and why it backfired with ISIS?

You brought up AL Qaeda, I did not, no our policies destroyed and/or had them on the run. Since you brought that up, why were they on the run and virtually destroyed as a viable entity? Was it because of Iraq or some other country(ies)? Why are you bringing them up as they virtually have nothing to do with ISIS but hey have fun........

What's your argument? I never said that taking down Saddam didn't contribute to the rise of ISIS, but ISIS isn't the first terror group to target the west. And many of these guys are probably not even affiliated or funded by ISIS. Al Qaeda was way more organized, and they were committing attacks well before the invasion of Iraq.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on July 14, 2016, 08:10:52 PM
Gotta love election time. freak this, I'm gonna get drunk/high and play Pokemon
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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Fenwyr on July 14, 2016, 08:31:23 PM
What's your argument? I never said that taking down Saddam didn't contribute to the rise of ISIS, but ISIS isn't the first terror group to target the west. And many of these guys are probably not even affiliated or funded by ISIS. Al Qaeda was way more organized, and they were committing attacks well before the invasion of Iraq.

The short answer is we armed and trained those who would become AQ to fight our proxy war with the soviet union.  Not sure why they were so upset when we left.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 14, 2016, 08:35:34 PM

The short answer is we armed and trained those who would become AQ to fight our proxy war with the soviet union.  Not sure why they were so upset when we left.  Go figure.

Yeah, wonder why we supported the primitive camel fuckers against a global power that had thousands of nukes aimed at us. I guess we should've known that some crazies would've turned against us.

We worked with the Soviet Union to liberate Korea from the Japanese, but left them in charge of the north, and now look at them.

The world is a complex place. The problem is radical Islam, not us.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on July 14, 2016, 08:40:13 PM
Not to condone terrorism or anything but anyone who thinks it's even close to the biggest problem in the world isn't very bright
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on July 14, 2016, 08:41:07 PM
Not to condone terrorism or anything but anyone who thinks it's even close to the biggest problem in the world isn't very bright
True.  It's Pokémon.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 14, 2016, 08:57:08 PM

Not to condone terrorism or anything but anyone who thinks it's even close to the biggest problem in the world isn't very bright

Who says it's the biggest problem? 99.9pct of the people in this world just want to get paid and live their lives. Terrorism is sort of like plane crashes. Sucks when it happens, but no matter what we do they'll happen. Global warming will affect us all... decades from now. No one cares right now.

People just want to do their thing and that's it. To be honest I'm not worried about anything besides how much money I make, my health, and who I'm gonna freak next. I don't really give a freak anymore about anything else.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on July 14, 2016, 09:31:45 PM
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#Niiiiice
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on July 14, 2016, 09:35:23 PM
Niiiccccccee.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 14, 2016, 10:14:41 PM
Hahaha I was waiting for the joke
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 14, 2016, 10:39:07 PM
Who says it's the biggest problem? 99.9pct of the people in this world just want to get paid and live their lives. Terrorism is sort of like plane crashes. Sucks when it happens, but no matter what we do they'll happen. Global warming will affect us all... decades from now. No one cares right now.

People just want to do their thing and that's it. To be honest I'm not worried about anything besides how much money I make, my health, and who I'm gonna freak next. I don't really give a freak anymore about anything else.

I agree with this completely.  I'm always amazed that 13% of the people in the world are starving and still only 0.1% don't just want to be left alone to freak off and die.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 14, 2016, 10:45:27 PM
Who says it's the biggest problem? 99.9pct of the people in this world just want to get paid and live their lives. Terrorism is sort of like plane crashes. Sucks when it happens, but no matter what we do they'll happen. Global warming will affect us all... decades from now. No one cares right now.

People just want to do their thing and that's it. To be honest I'm not worried about anything besides how much money I make, my health, and who I'm gonna freak next. I don't really give a freak anymore about anything else.

I'm always amazed that people can think this way and not realize that they're part of the problem.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 14, 2016, 11:22:53 PM
Not to condone terrorism or anything but anyone who thinks it's even close to the biggest problem in the world isn't very bright

Well you can only discuss gay marriage and transgender rights so much bro.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 15, 2016, 12:52:45 AM
Weird some security expert on TV just pointed out something very peculiar on that truck. There are virtually no bullet holes in front of the drivers side of the windshield.


They're also basically shitting on the security that allowed this to happen. There were so many mistakes it's pretty mind boggling.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 15, 2016, 06:26:22 AM

I'm always amazed that people can think this way and not realize that they're part of the problem.

I'm probably part of a lot of people's problems. I don't give a excrement. I live for myself.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 15, 2016, 07:22:17 AM
If someone tells you they have an answer to solve this type of terrorism, they're lying. If they tell you they know who is to blame, they're mistaken. It doesn't mean we have to pretend the problem doesn't exist and play apologist every time an attack happens.  Sorry, but closing our eyes and pretending they aren't out there and saying that there's nothing we can do anyways won't get them to stop slaughtering innocent civilians.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on July 15, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Damn, dude drove through people for about a mile, swerving to hit as many as possible.

From NPR News 'Bodies And Blood Everywhere': Terror Along French Riviera Kills At Least 84 http://n.pr/29I2cXS
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 15, 2016, 12:02:37 PM
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France has become ground zero in the war on terror after radical jihadists attacked the European nation for the seventh time in 18 months on Thursday.

Since the attack on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in January 2015, 230 French citizens have died from beheadings, stabbings, gun shots, bombings, and now, being run over by Islamic terrorists, according to Bloomberg News.



Hopefully these statistics don't offend anyone, that would be the real crime.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on July 15, 2016, 12:13:51 PM
Not sure would be offended by that here.

Britain, Belgium and France have radicalized communities that never assimilated for generations. 

The Muslim communities in the US are not like some of the ones in other European countries. It's a legitimate problem there and those albeit small, communities are fairly open about their beliefs.   


However, I doubt most people criticizing France have been there anytime recently. Their military is littered in public places, along with heavy weaponry. It's kind of surprising this guy managed to do this because of how well armed they are. But it's safe to say that he got taken out because of their security presence.


 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Andrew Ryan on July 15, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
I'm probably part of a lot of people's problems. I don't give a excrement. I live for myself.

You don't think that problem could affect you or people you care about?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 15, 2016, 01:03:17 PM

Not sure would be offended by that here.

Britain, Belgium and France have radicalized communities that never assimilated for generations. 

The Muslim communities in the US are not like some of the ones in other European countries. It's a legitimate problem there and those albeit small, communities are fairly open about their beliefs.   


However, I doubt most people criticizing France have been there anytime recently. Their military is littered in public places, along with heavy weaponry. It's kind of surprising this guy managed to do this because of how well armed they are. But it's safe to say that he got taken out because of their security presence.

Because we have way stricter immigration policies. Immigrants from the Middle East are typically college educated and/or professionals. I've talked to many Arab cab drivers over the years and found that many were physicists, lawyers, etc in whichever country they came from. Europe, boasting about their lax immigration laws and how liberal they are, invited many unskilled workers from the region. Guess what? Though hardworking they were likely to be more religious and backwards. Passing that down to their children.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 15, 2016, 01:03:54 PM

You don't think that problem could affect you or people you care about?

What do you want me to do about it? I got bills to pay, nigga.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: NDMick on July 15, 2016, 01:07:58 PM
What do you want me to do about it? I got bills to pay, nigga.

I heard the same thing from a kid on a basketball court not two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on July 15, 2016, 01:15:01 PM
Because we have way stricter immigration policies. Immigrants from the Middle East are typically college educated and/or professionals. I've talked to many Arab cab drivers over the years and found that many were physicists, lawyers, etc in whichever country they came from. Europe, boasting about their lax immigration laws and how liberal they are, invited many unskilled workers from the region. Guess what? Though hardworking they were likely to be more religious and backwards. Passing that down to their children.


That's a pretty lazy summation of things.  I'm not saying you're wrong about the make up of immigrants/exiles etc that seem to live and thrive here, because there is some truth to that, but it's a much more complicated issue than that and that's certainly not the central reason.

We're a pluralistic society. America as an entity lacks the history of European nations, so the sense of nationalism and civic pride is different.  There's thousands of years of history across Europe of migration within itself. We have what, the last couple of hundred years? Really more like 150-160 years since mass global immigration to the US became a thing.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 15, 2016, 01:19:17 PM


That's a pretty lazy summation of things.  I'm not saying you're wrong about the make up of immigrants/exiles etc that seem to live and thrive here, because there is some truth to that, but it's a much more complicated issue than that and that's certainly not the central reason.

We're a pluralistic society. America as an entity lacks the history of European nations, so the sense of nationalism and civic pride is different.  There's thousands of years of history across Europe of migration within itself. We have what, the last couple of hundred years? Really more like 150-160 years since mass global immigration to the US became a thing.

Well yeah but that's understood. My parents came here in their early 20s, but their kids are fully American. If they moved to Germany I wouldn't be able to consider myself German. That's why they have their own little communities. There's cultural identity here, but it's not like I hang around my Albanian friends speaking Albanian. In Europe even third generation French/Germans hang around their own and speak their native languages. That's definitely a contributing factor.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on July 15, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
Well yeah but that's understood. My parents came here in their early 20s, but their kids are fully American. If they moved to Germany I wouldn't be able to consider myself German. That's why they have their own little communities. There's cultural identity here, but it's not like I hang around my Albanian friends speaking Albanian. In Europe even third generation French/Germans hang around their own and speak their native languages. That's definitely a contributing factor.

I really doubt that assimilation differences due to a country's relative newness is at the forefront of peoples mind's when discussing radical Islam, particularly after a terrorist attack when they're emotionally careening.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on July 16, 2016, 11:13:40 AM
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/islamic-state-claim-responsibility-for-nice-truck-attack-as-french-police-arrest-three-34888811.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on July 18, 2016, 08:54:34 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germany-train-axe-attack-afghan-8445784
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 22, 2016, 12:45:43 PM
Multiple shootings being reported in Munich. Was thinking of posting this in Mass Shootings, but let's be honest.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 22, 2016, 01:56:11 PM
Shooter still at large.

May be relevant, or may very well not be, but today is the 5 year anniversary of Breivik.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 22, 2016, 04:02:59 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160722/0ec169dd756e60713eb97bcee1e70916.jpg)

Poor timing CNN.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 22, 2016, 06:08:56 PM
My wife leaves for Berlin on Wednesday for a few days.  Fun stuff.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on July 22, 2016, 06:30:52 PM
My mother and aunt are around Nice/Cannes right now.  They go to the south of France every year for a couple of weeks with friends. 

My mom used to work for the airlines so her take on the matter as a standby passenger was, "Well the bad news is there's people dying. The good news is the flights will be empty and we'll get bumped to first class." 








Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 23, 2016, 02:54:51 AM
good luck.....
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 23, 2016, 07:27:12 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-crime-munich-idUSKCN1021YZ

No ties to Islam, mental illness, yada yada yada. Let's file under "lone wolf" and never talk of this again.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2016, 07:57:07 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/25/germany-bomb-blast-what-we-know-so-far-ansbach-attack
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 25, 2016, 11:27:50 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/25/germany-bomb-blast-what-we-know-so-far-ansbach-attack

Glad no one but the bomber died, but Trump is going to go full on "I told ya so" during the debates. Letting even one of these assholes in isn't worth the humanitarian effort to give tens of thousands of potentially peaceful ones asylum.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 25, 2016, 03:16:52 PM
Glad no one but the bomber died, but Trump is going to go full on "I told ya so" during the debates. Letting even one of these assholes in isn't worth the humanitarian effort to give tens of thousands of potentially peaceful ones asylum.

I'm not sure he's the best example since blew himself up because he was actually denied asylum.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 25, 2016, 03:21:16 PM
I'm not sure he's the best example since blew himself up because he was actually denied asylum.

He's a Syrian, Muslim refugee that made a bomb that exploded and you're going let little things called details get in the way of the true narrative: that he was a Syrian Muslim refugee that made a bomb? I thought you were better than that. lol
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2016, 04:31:05 PM
If he was denied asylum he wouldn't really be a refugee or an asylee under the law.

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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 25, 2016, 05:50:45 PM

I'm not sure he's the best example since blew himself up because he was actually denied asylum.

Well then it proves the need for more border security then. How did a guy denied asylum end up there in the first place?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on July 25, 2016, 05:58:09 PM
Well then it proves the need for more border security then. How did a guy denied asylum end up there in the first place?
That's part of the definition of asylum. Show up first, ask permission later.

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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on July 26, 2016, 08:17:02 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/europe/france-normandy-church-hostage/index.html

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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 26, 2016, 09:11:52 AM
The dude survives WW2, D-day, the Vichy and the Nazis, but not ISIS, go figure.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 26, 2016, 12:01:05 PM

The dude survives WW2, D-day, the Vichy and the Nazis, but not ISIS, go figure.

Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, but at least they killed discriminately.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2016, 12:10:23 PM
Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, but at least they killed discriminately.

Did you just..... you did, didn't you?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on July 26, 2016, 12:26:45 PM
Did you just..... you did, didn't you?

Surely he's trolling.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on July 26, 2016, 12:27:29 PM
Surely he's trolling.

I've lost the ability to tell.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on July 26, 2016, 12:33:10 PM
I love this site.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on July 26, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
Well Catholics were mostly safe then.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on September 25, 2016, 11:15:35 AM
Mall shooter identified. Looks like he's a perm resident from Turkey. 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/25/us/washington-mall-shooting-arrest/index.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: reuben on May 22, 2017, 07:24:31 PM
Explosion in Manchester at Ariana Grande concert.  19 confirmed dead thus far.  I don't want to speculate, but I'm sure Ariana Grande attracts mainly a tween-teenage crowd. 

https://www.reddit.com/live/yz4k8674h837 (https://www.reddit.com/live/yz4k8674h837)


Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on May 22, 2017, 07:36:05 PM
freaking animals
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on May 22, 2017, 07:45:40 PM
freaking animals

Clearly it was the alt-right.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on May 22, 2017, 08:02:15 PM
JE, your family and friends okay?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on May 22, 2017, 08:51:31 PM
freaking wonderful hit a kids concert....... I hope they find these animals and skin them alive.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on May 22, 2017, 08:54:21 PM
JE, your family and friends okay?

Far as I know.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on May 22, 2017, 08:55:12 PM
freaking wonderful hit a kids concert....... I hope they find these animals and skin them alive.

Early suggestions are a suicide bomber, so he's probably already way past being skinned alive.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Fenwyr on May 22, 2017, 09:00:12 PM
Clearly it was the alt-right.
Yes, a bunch of kids dead, lets politicize.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on May 22, 2017, 09:03:18 PM
Yes, a bunch of kids dead, lets politicize.

Yeah, that was in poor taste.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Fenwyr on May 22, 2017, 09:23:22 PM
Yeah, that was in poor taste.
I was just giving you excrement.  It's like with the drunk that plowed into people last week in time square.  The immediate assumption was terrorism.

The excrement is just exausting.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: reuben on May 22, 2017, 09:25:43 PM
SPOILERS FOR MR. MERCEDES BY STEPHEN KING

Somebody recommended it in another thread last week and I ended up getting a copy and reading it.  Finished it yesterday.  The climax of the novel is a guy smuggling in a suicide vest to a teeny-bopper concert.  But not even Stephen freaking King was willing to follow through with such horror, in fiction.

Goddamn this is some evil excrement. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on May 22, 2017, 11:55:57 PM
The religion of peace seems to have struck again
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on May 23, 2017, 08:08:51 AM
Quote
CBS News confirmed Tuesday that the man who blew himself up the previous night at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, England, was 23-year-old Salman Abedi, who was known to British authorities prior to the attack.

ISIS claimed responsibility, but that's like MBGreen crediting his Santonio Homes jersey for Jets tailgate wins every year. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2017, 08:15:16 AM
An Ariana Grande concert, really? That's freaking sick, it's all like 14 year old girls in there. Horrible.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2017, 08:16:53 AM
An Ariana Grande concert, really? That's freaking sick, it's all like 14 year old girls in there. Horrible.

14 yr old girls....and sg3.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on May 23, 2017, 10:05:03 AM
I know nothing about what the kids listen to these days.  When it first happened I was wondering why Arianna Huffington was touring.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2017, 10:07:00 AM
ISIS claimed responsibility, but that's like MBGreen crediting his Santonio Homes jersey for Jets tailgate wins every year. 

still undefeated
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on May 23, 2017, 10:09:35 AM
still undefeated

The Hawaiian Febreze is 1-0
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on May 23, 2017, 10:10:27 AM
The Hawaiian Febreze is 1-0

Tommy's pumpkin carvings are 1-0
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2017, 11:46:16 AM
"I extend my deepest condolences to those so terribly injured… and to the so many families of the victims. We stand in absolute solidarity with the people of the United Kingdom.

So many young beautiful and innocent people living and enjoying their lives, murdered… by evil losers in life,” he said on Tuesday, speaking from the occupied West Bank.

I won’t call them monsters because they would like that term. They would think that’s a great name. I will call them from now on losers because that’s what they are, they’re losers. And we’ll have more of them. But they’re losers, just remember that."
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 23, 2017, 12:28:39 PM
Yes, Donald. They're now mortified that you've called them "losers," rather than their preferred "monsters." You just figured out peace in the middle east. Congratulations.

BTW: You've got a sinkhole in front of your golf course.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on May 23, 2017, 02:57:52 PM
Yes, Donald. They're now mortified that you've called them "losers," rather than their preferred "monsters." You just figured out peace in the middle east. Congratulations.

BTW: You've got a sinkhole in front of your golf course.

Hm. Taking some sort of umbrage with the classification of ISIS as losers because you don't like who said it. Surely this doesn't reek of the tribalism that someone has patrolled these parts in order to combat.

Oh wait, it wasn't critical of everyones favorite authentic native american, so I'm sure its fine.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Fenwyr on May 23, 2017, 03:09:02 PM
Hm. Taking some sort of umbrage with the classification of ISIS as losers because you don't like who said it. Surely this doesn't reek of the tribalism that someone has patrolled these parts in order to combat.

Oh wait, it wasn't critical of everyones favorite authentic native american, so I'm sure its fine.
It's not tribalism to think that was just dumb.  It's tribalism to think that it wasn't.

And not for nothing, this was a win for ISIL.  Calling them losers is tone deaf at best, insightful at worst.

Weren't we promised that all this ISIL winning would have stopped a couple months ago?  Maybe the plan all along was they would have so much winning they would get tired of winning.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2017, 03:20:07 PM
Hm. Taking some sort of umbrage with the classification of ISIS as losers because you don't like who said it. Surely this doesn't reek of the tribalism that someone has patrolled these parts in order to combat.

Oh wait, it wasn't critical of everyones favorite authentic native american, so I'm sure its fine.
Pointing out that he speaks in a moronic tone is hardly tribalistic criticism.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 23, 2017, 04:27:13 PM
0 terror attacks since the Don called them losers
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on May 23, 2017, 04:27:22 PM
Pointing out that he speaks in a moronic tone is hardly tribalistic criticism.

Loser.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on May 23, 2017, 05:36:11 PM
Pointing out that he speaks in a moronic tone is hardly tribalistic criticism.

What is moronic about calling them losers? Is the statement not true?
It's not tribalism to think that was just dumb.  It's tribalism to think that it wasn't.

And not for nothing, this was a win for ISIL.  Calling them losers is tone deaf at best, insightful at worst.

Weren't we promised that all this ISIL winning would have stopped a couple months ago?  Maybe the plan all along was they would have so much winning they would get tired of winning.

So I'm dumb for thinking that ISIS are a bunch of losers? Then I guess I'm dumb. Dangerous losers to be sure, but still losers that need to be eradicated.

I love how the election of Donald Trump was supposed to stop any sort of global attack from ISIS within 120 days of his election.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on May 23, 2017, 06:31:36 PM
What is moronic about calling them losers? Is the statement not true?
So I'm dumb for thinking that ISIS are a bunch of losers? Then I guess I'm dumb. Dangerous losers to be sure, but still losers that need to be eradicated.

I love how the election of Donald Trump was supposed to stop any sort of global attack from ISIS within 120 days of his election.
Pretty sure 30 was the number stated by Lyin' Don while he was campaigning. "Honestly, it's gonna be so easy."
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Fenwyr on May 23, 2017, 06:39:01 PM


What is moronic about calling them losers? Is the statement not true?
So I'm dumb for thinking that ISIS are a bunch of losers? Then I guess I'm dumb. Dangerous losers to be sure, but still losers that need to be eradicated.

I love how the election of Donald Trump was supposed to stop any sort of global attack from ISIS within 120 days of his election.

A 5th grader calls someone a loser.

So he's going to call extremist islamic terrorists, losers from now on?

His words.  Not some libtard snowflakes making this excrement up.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on May 23, 2017, 06:47:53 PM
What is moronic about calling them losers? Is the statement not true?

He could call them buttheads and it would be true and he'd still sound unintelligent.

I'm not making a big deal out of it, it's just another eye roll moment.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on May 23, 2017, 08:01:31 PM
It wasn't eloquent but I have no issue with the term.. it's true.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 24, 2017, 01:18:57 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/british-prime-minister-raises-nations-threat-level-saying-another-attackmay-be-imminent/2017/05/24/dd5367e8-3fec-11e7-b29f-f40ffced2ddb_story.html

"In Libya, meanwhile, an official said counterterrorism authorities have arrested at least two members of the family of the bomber, Salman Abedi, including a younger brother suspected of planning an attack in Libya’s main city, Tripoli. The bomber was a British-born citizen whose parents emigrated from Libya."
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on May 24, 2017, 02:33:14 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/trump-administration-manchester-bomber-name-leak
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on May 26, 2017, 08:40:33 AM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18664188_10154595592295983_561584006185813984_n.jpg?oh=0aeaa9f55a2105551d4f72421fd15b6c&oe=59AA4596)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: guinness77 on May 26, 2017, 09:19:24 AM
Anyone who hasn't seen Anthony Jeselnick's "Thoughts and Prayers" stand up on Netflix should.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on June 03, 2017, 06:54:05 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/03/europe/london-bridge-incident/index.html

World we live in
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 03, 2017, 07:51:56 PM
freak. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 04, 2017, 08:01:52 PM
http://deadstate.org/guy-still-clutches-his-pint-while-fleeing-london-terror-attacks/
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Fenwyr on June 05, 2017, 12:07:04 AM
http://deadstate.org/guy-still-clutches-his-pint-while-fleeing-london-terror-attacks/
Credit where credit is due.  He new that was the last pint of his night and or life.

If only everyone in the pub was packing heat.  That would never end badly.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 05, 2017, 05:52:38 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/3724988/melbourne-siege-hostage-isis/
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Fenwyr on June 05, 2017, 09:24:12 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/3724988/melbourne-siege-hostage-isis/
Sounds like another case of extremist drunk dipshitism.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on June 05, 2017, 09:39:21 AM
Credit where credit is due.  He new that was the last pint of his night and or life.

If only everyone in the pub was packing heat.  That would never end badly.

I'm more perplexed why the police officer fighting 3 of them alone with a baton was unarmed
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
I'm more perplexed why the police officer fighting 3 of them alone with a baton was unarmed

Because front line police officers in the UK don't carry firearms. Firearms officers are deployed as a tactical resource.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 05, 2017, 10:34:10 AM
Because front line police officers in the UK don't carry firearms. Firearms officers are deployed as a tactical resource.

Lol
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2017, 10:35:23 AM
Lol

That's funny why?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 05, 2017, 10:37:52 AM
That's funny why?

Because yet again he opines without knowing jackshit. What you said I thought was common knowledge and I have never been overseas and I knew when I was like six.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
Because yet again he opines without knowing jackshit. What you said I thought was common knowledge and I have never been overseas and I knew when I was like six.

Ah, sorry. I thought you were laughing about the police not being armed.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 05, 2017, 10:51:56 AM
Ah, sorry. I thought you were laughing about the police not being armed.

Lol no worries. Theoretically they shouldn't need guns.

Anyway, corrections officers are the same in the states.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on June 05, 2017, 12:50:51 PM
Because yet again he opines without knowing jackshit. What you said I thought was common knowledge and I have never been overseas and I knew when I was like six.

I was aware that they don't carry guns (I don't have a freaking clue what else they carry other than that)

But my point was a police officer had to battle 3 assailants and was given absolutely but a freaking stick to do so.

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2017, 01:27:15 PM
I was aware that they don't carry guns (I don't have a freaking clue what else they carry other than that)

But my point was a police officer had to battle 3 assailants and was given absolutely but a freaking stick to do so.



That's not a point, it's a statement of fact. What's the point that you're trying to make?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Fenwyr on June 05, 2017, 01:55:14 PM


I was aware that they don't carry guns (I don't have a freaking clue what else they carry other than that)

But my point was a police officer had to battle 3 assailants and was given absolutely but a freaking stick to do so.

Armed officers were on the scene almost immediately.  The time between the van ramming people, and 50 rounds being fired into the 3 assholes was 8 minutes.

7 or 8 civilians died, which sucks, but imagine if they had a Bass Pro Shop in London?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on June 05, 2017, 03:11:07 PM
That's not a point, it's a statement of fact. What's the point that you're trying to make?

That it's fucked up that a police officer had to battle 3 terrorists with weapons given nothing but a stick.

I absolutely understand that armed police  officers could result in unfortunate outcomes and I certainly don't have the answer.

But a police officer getting left out to hang and nearly killed bt terrorists is fucked up, period

That said apparently he's a transport cop, so I'm not sure if that's a real police officer, or like the guy who directs traffic here
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
That it's fucked up that a police officer had to battle 3 terrorists with weapons given nothing but a stick.

I absolutely understand that armed police  officers could result in unfortunate outcomes and I certainly don't have the answer.

But a police officer getting left out to hang and nearly killed bt terrorists is fucked up, period

That said apparently he's a transport cop, so I'm not sure if that's a real police officer, or like the guy who directs traffic here

He'd be a real police officer. British Transport Police are a national force who specifically police the railways; they are police officers like any other, but instead of being regional their jurisdiction is across all railway property. They don't just lose their powers when they step out of a station though, if they are on duty and excrement is going down then they are still entitled to the full powers, rights and protections of a police officer.

In this case, Borough Market is right next to London Bridge station, which is a main transit hub for underground and overland services to SE London, Kent and Essex. It's not surprising that a BTP officer would be first on the scene.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 05, 2017, 03:44:47 PM
He'd be a real police officer. British Transport Police are a national force who specifically police the railways; they are police officers like any other, but instead of being regional their jurisdiction is across all railway property. They don't just lose their powers when they step out of a station though, if they are on duty and excrement is going down then they are still entitled to the full powers, rights and protections of a police officer.

In this case, Borough Market is right next to London Bridge station, which is a main transit hub for underground and overland services to SE London, Kent and Essex. It's not surprising that a BTP officer would be first on the scene.

Yeah but he only had a stick.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 05, 2017, 03:46:51 PM
Batons are actually very effective  non-lethal weapons when used correctly. All it takes is a clean strike at a knife-wielder's arm to break it. It's not like he was out there with a wiffle bat.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2017, 04:44:52 PM
If you thought that the fact that the Manchester bomber was reported at least five times to authorities by his family, friends and mosque (who had banned him for espousing extremist views) was as bad a failure of the security services as you can get, you would be wrong. One of the London attackers appeared in a Channel 4 (Channel 4 is one of the major FTA networks in the UK, akin to NBC or CBS) documentary last year called, and I excrement you not, The Jihadis Next Door.

The Conservative government under May as both Home Secretary and PM have consistently and repeatedly slashed budget for all public services, including the police, and this is the result. I hope they get freaking obliterated at the ballot box on Thursday.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on June 05, 2017, 05:24:10 PM
If you thought that the fact that the Manchester bomber was reported at least five times to authorities by his family, friends and mosque (who had banned him for espousing extremist views) was as bad a failure of the security services as you can get, you would be wrong. One of the London attackers appeared in a Channel 4 (Channel 4 is one of the major FTA networks in the UK, akin to NBC or CBS) documentary last year called, and I excrement you not, The Jihadis Next Door.

The Conservative government under May as both Home Secretary and PM have consistently and repeatedly slashed budget for all public services, including the police, and this is the result. I hope they get freaking obliterated at the ballot box on Thursday.

I don't understand. Aren't conservative parties usually all about security and defense?

Also you don't need a huge security budget to identify nutjobs like that who are hidden in plain view, enough that you're able to make a documentary about them.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2017, 05:31:07 PM
I don't understand. Aren't conservative parties usually all about security and defense?

Also you don't need a huge security budget to identify nutjobs like that who are hidden in plain view, enough that you're able to make a documentary about them.

Law and order is usually a core tenet of a Conservative government, or at least a pretense of it, but under their rule police budgets have been continually slashed. Since she was appointed Home Secretary in 2010 she has reduced the number of front line police officers by 46,700, and reduced the number of armed response officers by almost 20%. The Police Federation have been saying for the last few years that the cuts will result in a weakening of their ability to anticipate and prevent attacks, and now here we are. It has been quite widely reported in the UK, but the events of the last three weeks have brought it fairly sharply into focus.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/london-terror-attack-bridge-borough-latest-firearms-officer-government-wrong-police-cuts-theresa-may-a7772506.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2017, 05:50:15 PM
Law and order is usually a core tenet of a Conservative government, or at least a pretense of it, but under their rule police budgets have been continually slashed. Since she was appointed Home Secretary in 2010 she has reduced the number of front line police officers by 46,700, and reduced the number of armed response officers by almost 20%. The Police Federation have been saying for the last few years that the cuts will result in a weakening of their ability to anticipate and prevent attacks, and now here we are. It has been quite widely reported in the UK, but the events of the last three weeks have brought it fairly sharply into focus.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/london-terror-attack-bridge-borough-latest-firearms-officer-government-wrong-police-cuts-theresa-may-a7772506.html
Did she make cuts to intelligence services?  I know police have a lot to do with intelligence locally, but what about non-street officers?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 05, 2017, 05:54:38 PM
Did she make cuts to intelligence services?

Depends what you mean by intelligence services. If you're referring to MI5 / MI6 then I don't know, but the kind of attacks we've seen recently are more the purview of the local and national police. ISIS can claim credit for this excrement on Twitter all they like, but the intelligence to stop these things doesn't come from international spy networks because no one knows these dickheads and their intentions outside of their immediate circle of friends, family and acquaintances.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 05, 2017, 06:19:41 PM
Depends what you mean by intelligence services. If you're referring to MI5 / MI6 then I don't know, but the kind of attacks we've seen recently are more the purview of the local and national police. ISIS can claim credit for this excrement on Twitter all they like, but the intelligence to stop these things doesn't come from international spy networks because no one knows these dickheads and their intentions outside of their immediate circle of friends, family and acquaintances.
I was referring to mi5/6.  I figured they'd be the ones to have their eyes on terror suspects than local cops, but I don't know how things differ over there.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 06, 2017, 08:51:45 AM
The English football hooligan in all his glory.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-freak-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: JFIF on June 06, 2017, 03:40:13 PM
The English football hooligan in all his glory.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-freak-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html

damn, crazy.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 06, 2017, 05:36:59 PM
The English football hooligan in all his glory.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-freak-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html

Let's get this guy to the tailgate....... freak ScotlandJet
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 06, 2017, 09:04:47 PM
Let's get this guy to the tailgate....... freak ScotlandJet
No thanks, Millwall fans are largely cunts. Like Raiders fans with less charm.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 06, 2017, 10:37:29 PM
No thanks, Millwall fans are largely cunts. Like Raiders fans with less charm.

I am assuming you have met Tommy and SFD? They're both as charming as hand grenades, lets invite this guy, what can possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 07, 2017, 12:37:55 PM
The English football hooligan in all his glory.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-freak-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html

I'd buy this guy a pint
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 18, 2017, 04:13:06 PM
The English football hooligan in all his glory.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-freak-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/swedish-brewery-beer-name-you-im-millwall-stockholm-frequency-works-london-bridge-hero-attackers-a7794676.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2017, 04:30:05 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/swedish-brewery-beer-name-you-im-millwall-stockholm-frequency-works-london-bridge-hero-attackers-a7794676.html

Hilarious.

Millwall fans are a set of horrible cunts, but there are two things you can guarantee about them: they'll never back down from a fight regardless of how outnumbered and how outgunned they are, and it's always about football. If it isn't, they'll make it about football.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 18, 2017, 05:42:53 PM
That Millwall guy seems cool as excrement, I may have found myself an English team to root for. I want to be a queynte from Millwall and pick on sissies like JE.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: guinness77 on June 18, 2017, 07:38:56 PM
Being Spurs, I have to take JE's side on this one. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 18, 2017, 09:09:51 PM
Another van attack in London. This time it looks like it's a white guy who has driven into a crowd of people leaving a mosque.

That country is so fucked right now.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 18, 2017, 10:36:51 PM
Another van attack in London. This time it looks like it's a white guy who has driven into a crowd of people leaving a mosque.

That country is so fucked right now.

Turn Kim Jong loose
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on June 18, 2017, 11:52:15 PM
Please don't discuss the driver's ethnicity Steve will get upset
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 19, 2017, 06:11:24 AM
Are we sure the white guy isn't Muslim?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 19, 2017, 10:48:33 AM
Are we sure the white guy isn't Muslim?

once caught the guy was found to be saying 'just kill me, i want to kill all muslims'
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 19, 2017, 03:32:16 PM
once caught the guy was found to be saying 'just kill me, i want to kill all muslims'

Didn't answer my question
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 19, 2017, 04:55:41 PM
Didn't answer my question
Yes, we're sure he isn't a Muslim.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 19, 2017, 05:05:18 PM
Didn't answer my question
Wuslim
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 19, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
Yes, we're sure he isn't a Muslim.

Are we sure he isn't a secret Muslim like Obama?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 20, 2017, 06:31:34 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/finsbury-park-mosque-terror-attack-muslims-darren-osborne-van-driver-family-neighbour-troubled-a7798256.html?cmpid=facebook-post
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 20, 2017, 08:45:47 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/finsbury-park-mosque-terror-attack-muslims-darren-osborne-van-driver-family-neighbour-troubled-a7798256.html?cmpid=facebook-post

You never know with these guys
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 20, 2017, 08:48:20 AM
You never know with these guys

I actually only posted that link because I loved the neighbour's statement. Makes a change from the usual "quiet guy, kept himself to himself, would never have expected such a thing" platitudes.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 20, 2017, 09:54:38 AM
I actually only posted that link because I loved the neighbour's statement. Makes a change from the usual "quiet guy, kept himself to himself, would never have expected such a thing" platitudes.

We may need to check this site for terrorists.  He described everyone here.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 20, 2017, 10:38:28 AM
We may need to check this site for terrorists.  He described everyone here.

Speak for yourself dickhead.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 20, 2017, 11:00:24 AM
Speak for yourself dickhead.

If anyone here is a queynte, it's you.  You can't even argue with that.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 20, 2017, 11:42:34 AM
If anyone here is a queynte, it's you.  You can't even argue with that.

I disagree, had you said poopchute, I don't think there's even an argument. lol
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 20, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
No thanks, Millwall fans are largely cunts. Like Raiders fans with less charm.

Daniel Day Lewis is a Millwall fan. The Butcher loves Millwall, I am a Millwall fan now.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 20, 2017, 03:27:40 PM
Daniel Day Lewis is a Millwall fan. The Butcher loves Millwall, I am a Millwall fan now.

In that case I highly recommend you watching this movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113375/), as a) its heavily based on Millwall, and b) it's freaking awesome.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 20, 2017, 03:34:06 PM
In that case I highly recommend you watching this movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113375/), as a) its heavily based on Millwall, and b) it's freaking awesome.

Cool thanks
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 20, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
freak you, I'm Millwall

FYP
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on June 20, 2017, 07:36:17 PM
FYP

That's right bitch and don't you forget it.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2017, 01:48:07 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40965581
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2017, 01:48:34 PM
"The United States condemns the terror attack in Barcelona, Spain, and will do whatever is necessary to help. Be tough & strong, we love you!"

Trump just trolling here
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on August 17, 2017, 01:54:22 PM
freaking nazis.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on August 17, 2017, 01:57:13 PM
Dammit. It looks like they figured that using a car to plow through people is the most effective and less risky way to kill people. Another reason to avoid open areas like Times Square/Herald Square.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2017, 02:15:51 PM
Dammit. It looks like they figured that using a car to plow through people is the most effective and less risky way to kill people. Another reason to avoid open areas like Times Square/Herald Square.

Yeah, I was thinking about that earlier. I'm avoiding high-traffic areas around the city from now on.

I remember reading a while back, maybe after the event on the bridge in London, that terrorists now know what the best weapon for mass homicide is: motor vehicles. Bomb-sniffing dogs can prevent harm from a psycho with dynamite strapped to his chest. Guns can be confiscated in random checks. But driving a car is as innocent as walking down the street. There's no way to know when someone is going to use it as a deadly weapon.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on August 17, 2017, 02:26:56 PM
Yeah, I was thinking about that earlier. I'm avoiding high-traffic areas around the city from now on.

I remember reading a while back, maybe after the event on the bridge in London, that terrorists now know what the best weapon for mass homicide is: motor vehicles. Bomb-sniffing dogs can prevent harm from a psycho with dynamite strapped to his chest. Guns can be confiscated in random checks. But driving a car is as innocent as walking down the street. There's no way to know when someone is going to use it as a deadly weapon.

Yeah, Bill Burr has a funny but morbid bit about how easy it is to just murder dozens of people in a car. Getting the public to fear walking down the street in their own city is about as high you can get on the "terrorize the populace" list.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 17, 2017, 02:48:25 PM
Yeah, Bill Burr has a funny but morbid bit about how easy it is to just murder dozens of people in a car. Getting the public to fear walking down the street in their own city is about as high you can get on the "terrorize the populace" list.

Yup.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 12, 2017, 12:23:20 PM
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1347130/images/o-MINI-MUFFINS-facebook.jpg)

#NeverForget
#EnjoyYourTostitos
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Miamipuck on September 12, 2017, 05:46:57 PM
Haha
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on September 12, 2017, 11:27:58 PM
Did MB make it there before 9:15am?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2017, 07:31:33 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-london/improvised-bomb-explodes-on-packed-london-commuter-train-injuring-22-idUSKCN1BQ0S1
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2017, 08:00:21 AM
Did MB make it there before 9:15am?

first in line, babbie.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2017, 08:18:17 AM
first in line, babbie.


(http://www.ghettoredhot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/ghetto-breakfast.jpg)

(http://www.ghettoredhot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/frosted-flakes-of-corn.jpg)

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2017, 08:43:47 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-london/improvised-bomb-explodes-on-packed-london-commuter-train-injuring-22-idUSKCN1BQ0S1

MOTHERFUCKERS. They've gone too far now. Parsons Green is the land of posh drunk totty. I understand these fuckers want to work out their grievances with the world but blowing up young rich blart is entirely the wrong way to do it.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2017, 10:17:43 AM
MOTHERFUCKERS. They've gone too far now. Parsons Green is the land of posh drunk totty. I understand these fuckers want to work out their grievances with the world but blowing up young rich blart is entirely the wrong way to do it.

posh drunk totty? rich blart?


what the freak is happening here
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2017, 10:32:31 AM
posh drunk totty? rich blart?


what the freak is happening here

I'm introducing you to the rich and varied world of English slang.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2017, 10:40:28 AM
I'm introducing you to the rich and varied world of English slang.

sounds like a terrorist attack on the English language
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2017, 11:45:01 AM
sounds like a terrorist attack on the English language
Lol.  He has no honouour
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: sg3 on September 15, 2017, 01:40:44 PM
I'm introducing you to the rich and varied world of English slang.
Its expected JE.

In My Fair Lady Henry Higgins sings "Why Can't the English Learn to Speak" and then says accurately...

"In America they haven't spoken it in YEARS"

Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2017, 01:44:19 PM
fuckin' redcoats.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on September 15, 2017, 01:54:58 PM
sounds like a terrorist attack on the English language

Quiet, philistine. If you talked less and listened more you might learn something.

"Totty" does not just refer to any old girl. "Totty" is a term used to refer specifically to wealthy, young, attractive girls at the upper end of the social strata.

"Blart" refers to a party girl with whom one would wish to have meaningless sex and then run away from in the morning - not because she is necessarily unattractive, although she could be, but simply because she is not relationship material.

This is a whole new level of language that you would do well to learn from, as opposed to your current communication level which is a small step above the unintelligible grunt of Neanderthal man.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2017, 02:19:28 PM
(http://www.wickedlocal.com/storyimage/WL/20080516/NEWS/305169476/AR/0/AR-305169476.jpg)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2017, 03:11:25 PM
Quiet, philistine. If you talked less and listened more you might learn something.

"Totty" does not just refer to any old girl. "Totty" is a term used to refer specifically to wealthy, young, attractive girls at the upper end of the social strata.

"Blart" refers to a party girl with whom one would wish to have meaningless sex and then run away from in the morning - not because she is necessarily unattractive, although she could be, but simply because she is not relationship material.

This is a whole new level of language that you would do well to learn from, as opposed to your current communication level which is a small step above the unintelligible grunt of Neanderthal man.

we refer to Blarts as "scrunt".
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on September 15, 2017, 03:58:48 PM
JE fucked Paul Blart
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on October 01, 2017, 09:53:07 AM
Is it me or are these wannabe terrorists become increasingly excrement at it?

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/01/canadas-edmonton-hit-by-terror-attack-officer-stabbed-pedestrians-hit.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on October 01, 2017, 01:56:40 PM
Is it me or are these wannabe terrorists become increasingly excrement at it?

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/01/canadas-edmonton-hit-by-terror-attack-officer-stabbed-pedestrians-hit.html

Do you think Edmonton orchestrated it themselves just to get some media attention for once?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 31, 2017, 02:40:42 PM
Shooting incident in downtown Manhattan. Looks like at least 5 injured, 2 DOAs. The report I saw also said bomb-sniffing K9s were requested on scene.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 31, 2017, 02:59:29 PM
Update

Quote
New York City Alerts‏ @NYCityAlerts 18m18 minutes ago
Replying to @NYCityAlerts

Per PD sources, a fight between two truck drivers lead to one truck hitting multiple pedestrians, and one truck driver opened fired
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on October 31, 2017, 03:07:21 PM
At least it isn't terrorism. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2017, 03:13:34 PM
At least it isn't terrorism. 

I'm not sure I'd jump to that conclusion yet.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gunshots-Fired-Lower-Manhattan-Tribeca-454316613.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on October 31, 2017, 03:17:09 PM
I'm not sure I'd jump to that conclusion yet.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gunshots-Fired-Lower-Manhattan-Tribeca-454316613.html

Oh, I was just going on the post above about 2 dudes arguing.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on October 31, 2017, 03:17:53 PM
Oh, I was just going on the post above about 2 dudes arguing.

Sounds like a guy in a rental van drove down a bike path mowing people down, then hit a school bus, then got out and started shooting.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 31, 2017, 03:31:41 PM
Yeah, this story is evolving. Too many "I gotta be first" tweets clogging up my stream.

Though I'm just as much to blame for posting so quickly without getting more clear information.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on October 31, 2017, 03:59:29 PM
Quote
The Middle Eastern man was arrested after police shot him in the rear end.

Mods change thread to derriere Shootings.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Tommy on October 31, 2017, 04:03:24 PM
God dammit
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2019, 08:50:15 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-crime-islamberg/four-charged-in-bomb-plot-against-muslim-community-in-new-york-idUSKCN1PG2UC
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 23, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-crime-islamberg/four-charged-in-bomb-plot-against-muslim-community-in-new-york-idUSKCN1PG2UC

This has to be fake news. Everyone knows white Americans can't be terrorists. Let's wait for the facts and the whole story to come out before accusing anyone of anything here. We could be ruining young white lives!
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2019, 01:43:48 PM
This has to be fake news. Everyone knows white Americans can't be terrorists. Let's wait for the facts and the whole story to come out before accusing anyone of anything here. We could be ruining young white lives!

I'm sure if we wait long enough it will come to light that it was actually all the fault of natives and black Jews who were running a child sex ring out of a halal restaurant.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on January 23, 2019, 01:57:36 PM
Why are you guys so quick to have white guilt
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2019, 02:05:02 PM
Why are you guys so quick to have white guilt

Why are you so quick to ascribe white guilt to us? I don't feel guilty for being white, I didn't get any choice in the matter. I just don't feel so precarious in my life that the only way I can preserve my standard of living is to ensure that people who don't look like me or worship a different deity to me are treated like the enemy.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on January 23, 2019, 02:08:22 PM
Why are you so quick to ascribe white guilt to us? I don't feel guilty for being white, I didn't get any choice in the matter. I just don't feel so precarious in my life that the only way I can preserve my standard of living is to ensure that people who don't look like me or worship a different deity to me are treated like the enemy.
I bet you had a excrement eating grin while posting this stupid article to this thread.

A bunch of rednecks made a half-assed explosive device and were caught.

You can dance around it but I know what you and Alio meant in this thread
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 23, 2019, 03:21:43 PM
I was just making jokes bro. Not everything has to be serious.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Jumbo on January 23, 2019, 03:42:06 PM
I was just making jokes bro. Not everything has to be serious.

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/738/025/db0.jpg)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 23, 2019, 03:54:13 PM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/738/025/db0.jpg)

So it's "retarded" to poke fun at the nonsense that's been going on lately? Okay. Sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities.
Title: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2019, 04:00:03 PM
So it's "retarded" to poke fun at the nonsense that's been going on lately? Okay. Sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities.
No...Jumbo is saying he pretends to be retarded quite frequently, and is happy you decided to join in the fun.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Jumbo on January 23, 2019, 04:01:04 PM
No...Jumbo is saying he pretends to be retarded quite frequently, and is happy you decided to join in the fun.

Oh baby I don't have to pretend
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2019, 04:02:03 PM
Oh baby I don't have to pretend
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190123/7c964b31628c5b9a689511561455fc4d.jpg)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 23, 2019, 04:03:02 PM
No...Jumbo is saying he pretends to be retarded quite frequently, and is happy you decided to join in the fun.

Meh, I'm not going to knock the guy. He's a good poster. I just think it's insane that making jokes is somehow forbidden now. I haven't even bothered with the politics threads much anymore because it's a constant carousel of arguing.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Jumbo on January 23, 2019, 04:04:54 PM
Meh, I'm not going to knock the guy. He's a good poster. I just think it's insane that making jokes is somehow forbidden now. I haven't even bothered with the politics threads much anymore because it's a constant carousel of arguing.

You completely missed what I was trying to say lol

I'm implying that you're the "joke's on them I was only pretending" guy not that you aren't allowed to make jokes. Jesus tittyfucking Christ
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2019, 04:17:02 PM
Meh, I'm not going to knock the guy. He's a good poster. I just think it's insane that making jokes is somehow forbidden now. I haven't even bothered with the politics threads much anymore because it's a constant carousel of arguing.
I wasn’t serious
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 23, 2019, 04:55:59 PM
I feel attacked.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on January 23, 2019, 04:57:15 PM
I feel attacked.
Well...I have done some work for the NYC transit system
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 23, 2019, 05:01:41 PM
Well...I have done some work for the NYC transit system

And now I feel violated too.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 23, 2019, 05:21:11 PM
Jesus tittyfucking Christ

Delete this or I will bomb you back to Iraq
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Jumbo on January 23, 2019, 05:29:32 PM
Delete this or I will bomb you back to Iraq

(https://i.imgur.com/LzaGtlI.gif)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2019, 06:12:26 PM
A bunch of rednecks made a half-assed explosive device and were caught.

A bunch of socially inept virgins writing excrement on Twitter are apparently a good enough justification to spend billions of dollars on dedicated law enforcement agencies, pointless walls and making me take my shoes off every time I get on an aeroplane, so I'm not sure why you're upset about me pointing out actual terrorists with actual explosives.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on January 23, 2019, 06:14:06 PM
A bunch of socially inept virgins writing excrement on Twitter are apparently a good enough justification to spend billions of dollars on dedicated law enforcement agencies, pointless walls and making me take my shoes off every time I get on an aeroplane, so I'm not sure why you're upset about me pointing out actual terrorists with actual explosives.
You’re totally right, the airplane thing and TSA/law endorcement had to do with twitter and not that other inconvenience that happened on September 11

The wall is Trump, always has been. Again, not Twitter
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2019, 06:27:37 PM
You’re totally right, the airplane thing and TSA/law endorcement had to do with twitter and not that other inconvenience that happened on September 11

The wall is Trump, always has been. Again, not Twitter

I'm not for a moment disputing that there are truly terrible brown guys in the world who do evil things in the name of their deity. Why are you excusing similar white guys?

And one of Trump's primary justifications for the wall has been terrorism. Terrorists who have illegally crossed the southern border currently number zero.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 23, 2019, 06:45:59 PM
I'm not for a moment disputing that there are truly terrible brown guys in the world who do evil things in the name of their deity. Why are you excusing similar white guys?

And one of Trump's primary justifications for the wall has been terrorism. Terrorists who have illegally crossed the southern border currently number zero.

Prolly because they’re all coming in from the north you Commie traitor
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2019, 06:53:11 PM
Prolly because they’re all coming in from the north you Commie traitor

Destroying innocent Americans one male shot at a time.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Pope on January 23, 2019, 07:40:14 PM
I'm not for a moment disputing that there are truly terrible brown guys in the world who do evil things in the name of their deity. Why are you excusing similar white guys?

And one of Trump's primary justifications for the wall has been terrorism. Terrorists who have illegally crossed the southern border currently number zero.

I started composing a long reply but I’m not going down the rabbit hole. You’ve never met me.

In reality, I’m very progressive. I guess if you want to paint my character by the stupid excrement I say on the Internet that’s fine but I won’t waste my time going back and forth.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on January 23, 2019, 08:25:52 PM
I started composing a long reply but I’m not going down the rabbit hole. You’ve never met me.

In reality, I’m very progressive. I guess if you want to paint my character by the stupid excrement I say on the Internet that’s fine but I won’t waste my time going back and forth.

Well, you're right. I've never met you, so I can only judge you by the things you say on the internet because that's all I've got. I'd be happy to have a beer with you at a tailgate some day, as I said the other day on another thread I've long since stopped assuming that who people are on the internet is who they are in the real world. However, I don't think that we can just write excrement on the internet and say "hey it was on the internet so it doesn't really count!" Like it or not, the internet is an increasingly large part of the real world and it informs the thinking of people, so if you want to be progressive it's kind of incumbent upon you to argue against lazy prejudice, not to support or excuse it.

There's an ongoing and concerted effort to paint actions by brown guys as calculated and evil, and those by white guys as misunderstood and misconstrued. I don't think that it's reasonable to argue that the guys in this story are just dumb rednecks making a half-assed explosive device and of no consequence if we're not going to say the same things about equally inept brown guys, and as yet I haven't seen you or anyone else doing that.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 24, 2019, 12:44:19 PM
Well, you're right. I've never met you, so I can only judge you by the things you say on the internet because that's all I've got. I'd be happy to have a beer with you at a tailgate some day, as I said the other day on another thread I've long since stopped assuming that who people are on the internet is who they are in the real world. However, I don't think that we can just write excrement on the internet and say "hey it was on the internet so it doesn't really count!" Like it or not, the internet is an increasingly large part of the real world and it informs the thinking of people, so if you want to be progressive it's kind of incumbent upon you to argue against lazy prejudice, not to support or excuse it.

There's an ongoing and concerted effort to paint actions by brown guys as calculated and evil, and those by white guys as misunderstood and misconstrued. I don't think that it's reasonable to argue that the guys in this story are just dumb rednecks making a half-assed explosive device and of no consequence if we're not going to say the same things about equally inept brown guys, and as yet I haven't seen you or anyone else doing that.

That idiot shoe-bomber half-assedly forced us to now take off our shoes and belts when going through TSA.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on January 24, 2019, 06:19:33 PM
There's an ongoing and concerted effort to paint actions by brown guys as calculated and evil, and those by white guys as misunderstood and misconstrued.

Disagree entirely.

No one ever tried to portray Dylan Roof as misunderstood or misconstrued.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on January 25, 2019, 08:51:15 AM
Disagree entirely.

No one ever tried to portray Dylan Roof as misunderstood or misconstrued.

No, but then Dylann Roof went on record and explicitly said that he isn't mentally ill, he is a committed racist and that he doesn't regret what he did. He didn't really leave any wiggle room for Fox et al to wedge their crowbar of doubt into the story.

That doesn't alter the fact that there's a long and well documented history of attempting to mitigate heinous crimes committed by white men while simultaneously leaping to the absolute worst possible conclusion for crimes committed by non-white men.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 06:24:13 AM
Quote
I want to acknowledge that much of the violence and destruction, both here in Seattle and across the country, has been instigated and perpetuated by white men.

These individuals experience the height of privilege and are co-opting peaceful demonstrations that were organized by and meant to center people of color, particularly Black Americans.

Mayor of Seattle, Jenny Durkan
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 07:37:12 AM
https://twitter.com/realtimwilliams/status/1267268419767894016?s=21

They got a lead on the ringleader
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2020, 07:45:02 AM
https://twitter.com/realtimwilliams/status/1267268419767894016?s=21

They got a lead on the ringleader
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/024/953/6a00c2251d19928e1d00e398cfebfc0004.jpg) *he
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 07:45:29 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CA1TsVUl_DH/

This bitch really said “comrades” to a black woman
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 08:06:02 AM
White people continue to try and freak up a black movement.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 09:55:50 AM
https://twitter.com/mnpdnashville/status/1267264305961066500?s=21

https://twitter.com/lululemew/status/1267318453087723521?s=21

White supremacist. Charge him with terrorism.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 10:02:29 AM
Looks like he was brought in pretty calmly.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 10:05:03 AM
Looks like he was brought in pretty calmly.

V disappointed he didn’t try to Deadpool the cops
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 10:07:54 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CA1TsVUl_DH/

This bitch really said “comrades” to a black woman

I'm sure she's just a far right boogaloo boy.

https://twitter.com/mnpdnashville/status/1267264305961066500?s=21

https://twitter.com/lululemew/status/1267318453087723521?s=21

White supremacist. Charge him with terrorism.

Can't be, they aren't wearing Tommy Bahama.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 10:14:34 AM
that was really nice of the police to go and arrest that 3 percenter so calmly.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2020, 12:25:15 PM
that was really nice of the police to go and arrest that 3 percenter so calmly.
Probably hit the McD's drive thru on the way back
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on June 01, 2020, 12:32:28 PM
Probably hit the McD's drive thru on the way back
All day breakfast babbie
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 03:22:06 PM
https://twitter.com/realtimwilliams/status/1267268419767894016?s=21

They got a lead on the ringleader

Wow, another video of a legitimate protestor making it clear they want nothing to do with these losers, wow

https://twitter.com/realtimwilliams/status/1267275659413458948?s=21
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 03:31:04 PM
Wow, another video of a legitimate protestor making it clear they want nothing to do with these losers, wow

https://twitter.com/realtimwilliams/status/1267275659413458948?s=21

This tool:

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/06/01/pittsburgh-protests-brian-bartels/

Interesting logo he's wearing on his bandanna and the back of his hoodie. It looks from a distance like the Anarchy logo but on closer inspection it's a pair of rifles and says something "Liberation". Anyone know what it is?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 03:37:09 PM
This tool:

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/06/01/pittsburgh-protests-brian-bartels/

Interesting logo he's wearing on his bandanna and the back of his hoodie. It looks from a distance like the Anarchy logo but on closer inspection it's a pair of rifles and says something "Liberation". Anyone know what it is?

Stylized Animal Liberation Front logo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_Front (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_Front)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 03:45:08 PM
Carole Baskins destabilizing the protests confirmed
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2020, 06:01:38 PM
https://twitter.com/kdka/status/1267568798938398722?s=21

Whew, we can all rest easy now
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 07:38:40 PM
https://twitter.com/kdka/status/1267568798938398722?s=21

Whew, we can all rest easy now

Parents look thrilled.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 08:06:45 PM
Chauvins wife wants a basic divorce where she splits everything 50/50 and gets the vacation house and her name back.


maybe she really just wants to never be associated with the murderer again? shes a real estate agent, so having the chauvin name attached is basically career suicide now
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 08:08:13 PM
Are people who support him Chauvinists?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: IATA on June 01, 2020, 08:19:13 PM
Are people who support him Chauvinists?

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e04e69546b1b96a6e409e184f0a0ba95/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 01, 2020, 08:29:27 PM
Are people who support him Chauvinists?

GTFO
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: d sw0rdz on June 01, 2020, 08:47:54 PM
Are people who support him Chauvinists?

I HATE YOU JE
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 01, 2020, 08:55:49 PM
I don't even have kids and I can outdad you motherfuckers
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2020, 09:00:25 PM
I don't even have kids and I can outdad you motherfuckers

POOF your a burger!

At the risk of sounding insensitive, I'd totally smash soon to be ex of the killer. Him watching my wombat like body going to town on the woman he once loved (idk if sociopaths can actually love) sounds like a nice cherry on the top of 25 years.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 02, 2020, 05:04:03 AM
POOF your a burger!

At the risk of sounding insensitive, I'd totally smash soon to be ex of the killer. Him watching my wombat like body going to town on the woman he once loved (idk if sociopaths can actually love) sounds like a nice cherry on the top of 25 years.
The only thing better would be Eric Smith doing it.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 06:27:11 AM
https://twitter.com/pnwylf/status/1267711869386584064?s=21

Quote
Tonight our movement suffered from a form of police repression that is more subtle, yet more dangerous. The cops knew there were too man y of us to attack, so instead they hired infiltrators to take over the protest, and pacify it. This is extremely dangerous...

And is a major threat to our resistance. We can say with almost complete certainty that the people who hijacked and “lead” tonight’s protests had the goal to minimize effectiveness and destroy the movement. We CANNOT let this happen tomorrow
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 02, 2020, 06:33:56 AM
https://twitter.com/d_how124/status/1267497659067240450?s=21
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 05, 2020, 01:41:57 PM
Mayor of Seattle, Jenny Durkan
https://twitter.com/justinboldaji/status/1266940031374995459?s=19
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 05, 2020, 01:54:48 PM
“We don’t turn the body cameras on unless we thing there is going to be criminal activity or theye have to take actions as a police officer...”

So she’s saying that deploying weapons against protestors isn’t police activity?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 09, 2020, 12:44:40 PM
https://interc.pt/2BRiZcL

Apparently the FBI will call you to check if you're antifa if you tweet it at them
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 09, 2020, 01:53:17 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/world/miss-hitler-beauty-pageant-jailed-terrorist.amp?__twitter_impression=true


Miss Hitler beauty pageant entrant and ex-boyfriend jailed in UK for being members of terrorist group
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 09, 2020, 01:59:23 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/world/miss-hitler-beauty-pageant-jailed-terrorist.amp?__twitter_impression=true


Miss Hitler beauty pageant entrant and ex-boyfriend jailed in UK for being members of terrorist group


If that's the best they can offer up for a beauty pageant then they really need to start questioning this whole master race theory they have.

(https://i.imgur.com/whxdIcO.png)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2020, 02:02:10 PM
https://interc.pt/2BRiZcL

Apparently the FBI will call you to check if you're antifa if you tweet it at them

When they get sent messages like that and the guy turns out to be a future school shooter people like to Monday morning quarterback saying they didn’t do their due diligence
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 09, 2020, 02:07:27 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/man-who-plowed-car-into-virginia-protestors-is-a-klu-klux-klan-leader/#334a7a63384c
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 20, 2020, 09:58:27 PM
https://twitter.com/the_faiz_phase/status/1274220603797639169?s=21
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 10, 2020, 08:52:53 PM
https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1292999059700097029?s=21
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 16, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
https://twitter.com/trillburne/status/1306288317420441608?s=21
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on September 16, 2020, 02:51:55 PM
https://twitter.com/trillburne/status/1306288317420441608?s=21

Antifa has recruited the Rabbit of Caerbannog and all is lost.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 16, 2020, 02:55:53 PM
A special time, a special place, it's Woodland Critter Elections!
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: delavan on September 16, 2020, 03:41:58 PM
Antifa has recruited the Rabbit of Caerbannog and all is lost.

  "Antifa here! Who ordered the pizza?"
  (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Oolong_the_Rabbit%27s_last_performance_%282003%29.jpg/241px-Oolong_the_Rabbit%27s_last_performance_%282003%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on September 17, 2020, 09:32:52 PM
That image brings me deep mid-2000s nostalgia
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 17, 2020, 09:53:16 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Polar_Bear_-_Alaska_%28cropped%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on September 18, 2020, 01:32:08 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/hundreds-armed-gun-activists-surround-michigan-state-capitol-1532865
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 14, 2020, 05:49:20 PM
https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1327726287620886528?s=21

LMAOOOOOO
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 14, 2020, 05:53:36 PM
https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1327726287620886528?s=21

LMAOOOOOO
No way that's real?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on November 14, 2020, 11:09:43 PM
Multiple McDonald's employees in that vid
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on November 15, 2020, 09:40:30 AM
Tailgate 2021
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 15, 2020, 12:06:23 PM
https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1327726287620886528?s=21

LMAOOOOOO

They definitely all spend way too much time watching WWE.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 15, 2020, 06:53:18 PM
Just some solid, upright brownshirts here.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1328084426425651200?s=09 (https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1328084426425651200?s=09)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 15, 2020, 09:22:50 PM
Just some solid, upright brownshirts here.

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1328084426425651200?s=09 (https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1328084426425651200?s=09)

Did you see the guy getting sparked out in DC that Ngo tried to claim was a vicious unprovoked attack by BLM Antifa scum, until someone posted video showing the Trump guy attacking a variety of people before someone had enough and chinned him?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 15, 2020, 09:59:23 PM
Did you see the guy getting sparked out in DC that Ngo tried to claim was a vicious unprovoked attack by BLM Antifa scum, until someone posted video showing the Trump guy attacking a variety of people before someone had enough and chinned him?

I saw that last night but I couldn't find it this morning.

For those who did not see it: The dude in question, along with some other poopchute, attacked a counter protestor who was saying, "Get the freak out," with a megaphone. Dude who eventually gets cold cocked shoves him into a crowd of other counter protestors who he then thinks he can fight en masse until someone knocks his derriere out with an admitted cheap shot. The area MAGAs then grab him and scream about how people should not be treated like this as if he didn't start it. poopchute had it coming.

Edit: here's the video

https://twitter.com/DJTurtleScratch/status/1327762320068493312?s=20 (https://twitter.com/DJTurtleScratch/status/1327762320068493312?s=20)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 15, 2020, 10:05:31 PM
I saw that last night but I couldn't find it this morning.

For those who did not see it: The dude in question, along with some other poopchute, attacked a counter protestor who was saying, "Get the freak out," with a megaphone. Dude who eventually gets cold cocked shoves him into a crowd of other counter protestors who he then thinks he can fight en masse until someone knocks his derriere oit with an admitted cheap shot. The area MAGAs then grab hom and scream about how people should not be treated like this as if he didn't start it. poopchute had it coming.

Edit: here's the video

https://twitter.com/DJTurtleScratch/status/1327762320068493312?s=20 (https://twitter.com/DJTurtleScratch/status/1327762320068493312?s=20)
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/andy-ngo-million-maga-march-video/
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 16, 2020, 08:31:49 AM
I saw that last night but I couldn't find it this morning.

For those who did not see it: The dude in question, along with some other poopchute, attacked a counter protestor who was saying, "Get the freak out," with a megaphone. Dude who eventually gets cold cocked shoves him into a crowd of other counter protestors who he then thinks he can fight en masse until someone knocks his derriere out with an admitted cheap shot. The area MAGAs then grab him and scream about how people should not be treated like this as if he didn't start it. poopchute had it coming.

Edit: here's the video

https://twitter.com/DJTurtleScratch/status/1327762320068493312?s=20 (https://twitter.com/DJTurtleScratch/status/1327762320068493312?s=20)

I was wondering how we'd rationalize the violence. FFS what the freak is the matter with you.

Curious as to the silence from certain douchebags who like to morally high hand, but thats to be expected at this point.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: IATA on November 16, 2020, 04:05:51 PM
I was wondering how we'd rationalize the violence. FFS what the freak is the matter with you.

Curious as to the silence from certain douchebags who like to morally high hand, but thats to be expected at this point.
So do you suck the excrement out of Andy Ngos poopchute or do you prefer to let him drop it?

Sent from fire adam gase.

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 16, 2020, 05:44:02 PM
So do you suck the excrement out of Andy Ngos poopchute or do you prefer to let him drop it?

Sent from fire adam gase.

Interesting take considering you're literally trying to rationalize a sucker punch by a convicted child molester you absolute freaking retard.

I get it though, tribalistic tendencies make useless idiots say and do the darndest things!

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: IATA on November 16, 2020, 05:47:30 PM
Interesting take considering you're literally trying to rationalize a sucker punch by a convicted child molester you absolute freaking retard.

I get it though, tribalistic tendencies make useless idiots say and do the darndest things!
So you suck it out, huh.


It's not at all interesting that you'd defend this scumbag getting his derriere kicked, considering he's a scumbag like you.

Sent from fire adam gase.

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 16, 2020, 06:05:21 PM
So you suck it out, huh.


It's not at all interesting that you'd defend this scumbag getting his derriere kicked, considering he's a scumbag like you.

Sent from fire adam gase.

It's not at all surprising you'd defend political violence at the hands of pedophiles.

https://twitter.com/VenturaReport/status/1327748212665569284?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1327748212665569284%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fmedia%2Fcnn-brian-stelter-slammed-dismissing-violence-against-trump-supporters-dc

What'd she do wrong besides have a Trump flag and decide to demonstrate, you absolute freaking lowlife piece of excrement. Be honest, was it you being the tough guy calling an old lady "hoo-ha bitch'

The fact that you've procreated is such a net negative for society, but what can you do.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: IATA on November 16, 2020, 06:07:58 PM
It's not at all surprising you'd defend political violence at the hands of pedophiles.

The fact that you've procreated is such a net negative for society, but what can you do.
What narrative would you have leaned on had that not been there?

Phew, another instance of someone else's actions being pardoned by the history of another.

Sent from fire adam gase.

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 16, 2020, 06:15:14 PM
What narrative would you have leaned on had that not been there?

Phew, another instance of someone else's actions being pardoned by the history of another.

Sent from fire adam gase.

What narrative? How about not sucker punching people you freaking moron. You want to talk about absolving people, you're literally absolving violence in the name of politics.
My sincere hope is those ok with violence in the name of political animus gets that feeling back in their face tenfold, maybe they'll actually learn something.

FWIW, I'm sure its just pure, dumb coincidence though that all of these "community activists" and "protesters" whether being shot at in self defense or sucker punching people because they're pussies have pedo beefs in their past. Pure coincidence I'm sure.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on November 16, 2020, 06:19:51 PM
Can you 2 bums dial it back?

Thanks
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on November 16, 2020, 06:45:15 PM
FWIW, I'm sure its just pure, dumb coincidence though that all of these "community activists" and "protesters" whether being shot at in self defense or sucker punching people because they're pussies have pedo beefs in their past. Pure coincidence I'm sure.

I mean yeah, Ngo and other grifters know what sells to their audience. "Everyone who disagrees with me is a pedophile."

Democrats? Pedophiles. Netflix? Pedophiles. Protesters? Pedophiles.

You screen any large enough group of people and you're gonna find some creeps. The naked attempt to get the smooth-brained Trumpers to associate everything they don't like with pedophilia would be hilarious if it wasn't so fucked up.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 16, 2020, 07:03:31 PM
What narrative? How about not sucker punching people you freaking moron. You want to talk about absolving people, you're literally absolving violence in the name of politics.
My sincere hope is those ok with violence in the name of political animus gets that feeling back in their face tenfold, maybe they'll actually learn something.

FWIW, I'm sure its just pure, dumb coincidence though that all of these "community activists" and "protesters" whether being shot at in self defense or sucker punching people because they're pussies have pedo beefs in their past. Pure coincidence I'm sure.
Wait no hang on. When you start a fight and then turn around and walk away because you don't want to have it any more and then someone on the other side decides that they do, it's not a sucker punch. You start a fight you better commit to it until the end, or you're going to lose.

I sometimes think that your team hasn't actually been in a real fight before.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: IATA on November 17, 2020, 09:37:29 AM
What narrative? How about not sucker punching people you freaking moron. You want to talk about absolving people, you're literally absolving violence in the name of politics.
My sincere hope is those ok with violence in the name of political animus gets that feeling back in their face tenfold, maybe they'll actually learn something.

FWIW, I'm sure its just pure, dumb coincidence though that all of these "community activists" and "protesters" whether being shot at in self defense or sucker punching people because they're pussies have pedo beefs in their past. Pure coincidence I'm sure.


hahahahahahahahahahaha

you are the real golden goose, not donald. please never change, and i want an update on when you get sent to one of bidens gulags for lonely incels.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 17, 2020, 09:50:21 AM
If you’re going to try and challenge the crowd and don’t expect a shot to come from behind, you made a mistake.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 17, 2020, 09:59:18 AM
I sometimes think that your team hasn't actually been in a real fight before.

on a similar vein i think we need to talk more about how wild it is that privileged people who are oblivious to the privileges they possess deny the presence of any sort of inequality in our world simply because they have never experienced those inequalities LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i'm not sure if it's only because we are able to see and hear more people 'talk', but it just feels like people are dumber than they have ever been before, and are frighteningly and fearlessly bold about it
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 17, 2020, 10:04:57 AM
If you’re going to try and challenge the crowd and don’t expect a shot to come from behind, you made a mistake.

YOU SWING AT THE KING YOU BEST NOT FVCKING MISS
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Jumbo on November 17, 2020, 11:34:30 AM
i'm not sure if it's only because we are able to see and hear more people 'talk', but it just feels like people are dumber than they have ever been before, and are frighteningly and fearlessly bold about it

Even taking this outside of a political context I really don't think the people are dumber theory holds any water - if anything most indicators are that the average person is generally smarter than ever although that trend has stalled a bit. The "democratization" effect of the internet just makes it so that you see the dumber people's excrement more often than you would have 30 years ago when the avenues of getting information and who you could connect with/read things from were more limited. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 17, 2020, 11:37:50 AM
Even taking this outside of a political context I really don't think the people are dumber theory holds any water - if anything most indicators are that the average person is generally smarter than ever although that trend has stalled a bit. The "democratization" effect of the internet just makes it so that you see the dumber people's excrement more often than you would have 30 years ago when the avenues of getting information and who you could connect with/read things from were more limited. 

I agree with this. The internet makes it easier for stupid people to find other stupid people, it also makes it easier for clever people to find and manipulate stupid people. I don't think people as a whole are more stupid, they just have their stupidity more easily validated today.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 17, 2020, 11:41:34 AM
I agree with this. The internet makes it easier for stupid people to find other stupid people, it also makes it easier for clever people to find and manipulate stupid people. I don't think people as a whole are more stupid, they just have their stupidity more easily validated today.

Just make the internet harder to access for stupid people.  Problem solved.  Maybe require a simple multiplication problem to be answered within 10 seconds as a login requirement.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2020, 02:58:15 PM


on a similar vein i think we need to talk more about how wild it is that privileged people who are oblivious to the privileges they possess deny the presence of any sort of inequality in our world simply because they have never experienced those inequalities LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Flipside: "I was once inconvenienced by something, so nobody else can complain"
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 17, 2020, 06:27:04 PM

Flipside: "I was once inconvenienced by something, so nobody else can complain"


I died because I couldn't afford health insurance or afford to eat or pay rent due to my debt but it didn't hurt me!
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 18, 2020, 07:37:53 AM
A lack of knowledge and ignorance are different things.

You can excel in math, science, or writing, while being devoid of empathy for the plight of another human being.

Humankind has never been more intellectual, nor had the access to information available today. I'd argue that at the same time, individuals have never rejected the good of society over their own self-concern at the levels seen today.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 18, 2020, 11:56:26 AM

hahahahahahahahahahaha

you are the real golden goose, not donald. please never change, and i want an update on when you get sent to one of bidens gulags for lonely incels.

LoNeLy InCeLs.

Again, you're literally just an NPC.

I'll just say this as some of you continue rationalizing violence against your political enemies, the fact that you blatantly revel in seeing this as a team thing speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 18, 2020, 12:00:48 PM
LoNeLy InCeLs.

Again, you're literally just an NPC.

I'll just say this as some of you continue rationalizing violence against your political enemies, the fact that you blatantly revel in seeing this as a team thing speaks volumes.
Navy personel commander? 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: IATA on November 18, 2020, 12:02:46 PM
LoNeLy InCeLs.

Again, you're literally just an NPC.

I'll just say this as some of you continue rationalizing violence against your political enemies, the fact that you blatantly revel in seeing this as a team thing speaks volumes.
Off to the gulag you go

Mistress Kamala will not be kind.

Sent from fire adam gase.

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 18, 2020, 12:04:00 PM
Navy personel commander? 

Non Player Character. It's a videogame term that bellends on 4Chan adopted to describe people who don't subscribe to right wing views. NPCs in a game are characters controlled by the game itself, and followed proscribed routes and actions - they don't think for themselves. It's somewhat ironic that right wingers would use that term, but irony often isn't their strong point.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 18, 2020, 12:07:08 PM
I'm just gonna make up some acronyms to be an poopchute and make people try to look them up in vain.  It would be a real VJGZ move on my part.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 18, 2020, 12:32:18 PM
Navy personel commander? 

Non Player Character.

That title would be Commander Naval Personnel (CNP)

EDIT: Damn you, JE.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 18, 2020, 12:39:48 PM
Non Player Character. It's a videogame term that bellends on 4Chan adopted to describe people who don't subscribe to right wing views. NPCs in a game are characters controlled by the game itself, and followed proscribed routes and actions - they don't think for themselves. It's somewhat ironic that right wingers would use that term, but irony often isn't their strong point.

Q isnt as entertaining when you explain it like that
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 18, 2020, 01:48:27 PM
Q isnt as entertaining when you explain it like that

how can you be on the side of pedophilia
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Jumbo on November 18, 2020, 01:49:11 PM
Q isnt as entertaining when you explain it like that

Q-q-q-qombo breaker
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 18, 2020, 07:11:27 PM
Q isnt as entertaining when you explain it like that

Yes, anyone posting from a right wing point of view is a devotee of Q.
 
This place really has devolved into an even worse piece of excrement echo chamber than r/pol.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 18, 2020, 07:24:16 PM
Yes, anyone posting from a right wing point of view is a devotee of Q.
 
This place really has devolved into an even worse piece of excrement echo chamber than r/pol.
AVGDFT
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on November 18, 2020, 07:46:27 PM
Yes, anyone posting from a right wing point of view is a devotee of Q.
 
This place really has devolved into an even worse piece of excrement echo chamber than r/pol.
WWG1WGA
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 19, 2020, 01:46:08 PM
Yes, anyone posting from a right wing point of view is a devotee of Q.
 
This place really has devolved into an even worse piece of excrement echo chamber than r/pol.

Yeah except nobody gets triggered when I shitpost about Libs so that sounds like more of a you problem
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: delavan on November 19, 2020, 04:39:32 PM

 IRDGAS

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 19, 2020, 04:43:32 PM
IRDGAS
BLBDO69L, obbiously.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 23, 2020, 12:42:46 PM
Yeah except nobody gets triggered when I shitpost about Libs so that sounds like more of a you problem

Ah yes, keep thinking you're the enlightened centrist.

"Lol libs are stoopid."

"Conservatives are racist backwards retards that all believe in the same conspiracies and actively hold back progress."

No, totally the same!

Obvious shitty echo chamber is obvious.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 23, 2020, 01:42:48 PM
Ah yes, keep thinking you're the enlightened centrist.

"Lol libs are stoopid."

"Conservatives are racist backwards retards that all believe in the same conspiracies and actively hold back progress."

No, totally the same!

Obvious shitty echo chamber is obvious.
Do you think Trump defeated Biden in the election?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2020, 07:32:10 PM
Ah yes, keep thinking you're the enlightened centrist.

"Lol libs are stoopid."

"Conservatives are racist backwards retards that all believe in the same conspiracies and actively hold back progress."

No, totally the same!

Obvious shitty echo chamber is obvious.

Show me where I said any of that, or shut the freak up. You’re constantly accusing people of making excrement up, and here you are again, making an derriere of yourself.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: IATA on November 25, 2020, 10:11:00 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/k0d09z/this_is_the_wife_of_the_guy_who_harassed_the/


hahahahha
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 28, 2020, 05:46:02 PM
Show me where I said any of that, or shut the freak up. You’re constantly accusing people of making excrement up, and here you are again, making an derriere of yourself.

You said that "no one freaks out about when you post about shitlibs" and I made a point about proportionality. You're as proportionate or fair lately as freaking NPR.

Do you think Trump defeated Biden in the election?

I think it's incredibly hypocritical of people who spent three years trying to litigate, delegitimize and usurp the 2016 election to be crying at this level about someone using the legal avenues available to them before the month of November is out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/k0d09z/this_is_the_wife_of_the_guy_who_harassed_the/


hahahahha

Remember though, throwing cementshakes at Andy Ngo is ok.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 28, 2020, 05:47:37 PM

I think it's incredibly hypocritical of people who spent three years trying to litigate, delegitimize and usurp the 2016 election to be crying at this level about someone using the legal avenues available to them before the month of November is out.


That isn't an answer to my question.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 28, 2020, 05:55:19 PM
That isn't an answer to my question.

No I don't, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. That's the answer. 

Voter fraud is real, the idea that it could've happened on such a massive scale is unlikely at best. I am concerned with the method in which Georgia undertook their recount, and again the hypocrisy of demanding Trump concede today when Al Gore pressed on until mid-December, and given the rhetoric for the last four years of 16 being illegitimate is insane.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 28, 2020, 06:18:55 PM


No I don't, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. That's the answer. 

Voter fraud is real, the idea that it could've happened on such a massive scale is unlikely at best. I am concerned with the method in which Georgie undertook their recount, and again the hypocrisy of demanding Trump concede today when Al Gore pressed on until mid-December, and given the rhetoric for the last four years of 16 being illegitimate is insane.

Why all the conditions and statements?  The first 3 words were fine.

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on November 28, 2020, 06:25:09 PM


Remember though, throwing cementshakes at Andy Ngo is ok.

Yeah all the kids are making cementshakes at rainbow parties while huffing jenkem and hiding razor blades in Halloween candy.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 28, 2020, 07:39:16 PM
You said that "no one freaks out about when you post about shitlibs" and I made a point about proportionality. You're as proportionate or fair lately as freaking NPR.

Maybe that’s because that’s how big of a shithead Trump is? You don’t see me going after easy targets like Marco Rubio and Cruz. Thinking Trump is a shithead isn’t exactly a biased or political take. I have plenty of conservative friends that don’t blindly defend every moronic statement he makes like you’ve made a hobby of doing. For fucks sake, even that cokehead Tommy agreed that it was a dumpster fire a few months into his presidency.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 28, 2020, 07:52:29 PM
Maybe that’s because that’s how big of a shithead Trump is? You don’t see me going after easy targets like Marco Rubio and Cruz. Thinking Trump is a shithead isn’t exactly a biased or political take. I have plenty of conservative friends that don’t blindly defend every moronic statement he makes like you’ve made a hobby of doing. For fucks sake, even that cokehead Tommy agreed that it was a dumpster fire a few months into his presidency.

I hAvE ConNsERvAtIvE friends, lol ok. Obviously calling you an enlightened centrist hit a nerve so this bullshit projection isn’t even worth responding to.

If only I was one of these caricatures that defended everything he said or did, maybe it would justify the echo chamber this place is.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 28, 2020, 08:04:08 PM
I hAvE ConNsERvAtIvE friends, lol ok. Obviously calling you an enlightened centrist hit a nerve so this bullshit projection isn’t even worth responding to.

If only I was one of these caricatures that defended everything he said or did, maybe it would justify the echo chamber this place is.

Bro you’re going to have to try sooooo much harder to hit a nerve
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 25, 2020, 09:29:42 AM
Explosion reported in Nashville, cops referring to it as an “intentional act.” No injuries reported so far, hopefully it stays that way.

Update: three taken to local hospital.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on December 29, 2020, 09:17:23 AM
Nashville bombing appears to be a suicide attack, the bomber has been identified as Anthony Wernerand his remains were found in the van.

Quote
Authorities identify Anthony Warner as Nashville bomber, say his remains were found in the wreckage
By Michael Kranish, Paulina Firozi, Brandon Gee and Meryl Kornfield

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/12/27/nashville-explosion-anthony-warner/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/12/27/nashville-explosion-anthony-warner/)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on March 04, 2021, 12:50:15 PM
https://twitter.com/kpolantz/status/1367517912064548868?s=19

(https://media.tenor.com/images/7e3fe0134e65eabcf22a9bab148f5ac0/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on March 04, 2021, 03:24:08 PM
https://twitter.com/kpolantz/status/1367517912064548868?s=19

(https://media.tenor.com/images/7e3fe0134e65eabcf22a9bab148f5ac0/tenor.gif)

Was going to say thst my tiniest violin is out for a restringing.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 01, 2021, 09:32:24 AM
https://twitter.com/nancymace/status/1399695342635991042?s=21
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2021, 09:41:47 AM
Was going to say thst my tiniest violin is out for a restringing.

We get it guys, you think perps should be able to attack cops and go for knives with relative impunity, but putting your feet up on one of your state idols desks means jailed in perpetuity without any sort of due process.

Yikes.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2021, 11:11:42 AM
We get it guys, you think perps should be able to attack cops and go for knives with relative impunity, but putting your feet up on one of your state idols desks means jailed in perpetuity without any sort of due process.

Yikes.

No idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on June 01, 2021, 12:00:09 PM
No idea what you're talking about.
Oh yeah? Well you weren't laughing when the Daily Beast was running articles defending Benghazi Rice while antifa was defunding the police AOC antisemitic constitutional law Eric Shinseki.

Saul Alinsky.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2021, 12:43:21 PM
Oh yeah? Well you weren't laughing when the Daily Beast was running articles defending Benghazi Rice while antifa was defunding the police AOC antisemitic constitutional law Eric Shinseki.

Saul Alinsky.
Soros?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2021, 12:47:04 PM
No idea what you're talking about.

Your support for Jacob Blake being some sort of seminal moment showing need for reform  juxtaposed against your nonchalant attitude towards political "undesirables' being jailed in perpetuity in a flagrantly unconstitutional manner.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2021, 12:51:05 PM
Your support for Jacob Blake being some sort of seminal moment showing need for reform  juxtaposed against your nonchalant attitude towards political "undesirables' being jailed in perpetuity in a flagrantly unconstitutional manner.
I don't even know who Jacob Blake is.  I'm just happy that poopchute that broke into Pelosi's office can't get out of jail.  I don't think all police shootings are the police's fault.  Some officers abuse their authority.  Some don't.   No idea why you bring that up.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2021, 01:13:35 PM
  I'm just happy that poopchute that broke into Pelosi's office can't get out of jail.

Yes, as you've repeatedly said now, you think its good that people should be held indefinitely if they inconvenience your beloved state idols.

To be sure, in this instance, luckily a federal judge agrees in terms of keeping non-violent offenders locked up for indeterminate periods of time on a pre-trial basis, which is why Richard Barnett has since been released.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 01, 2021, 01:15:54 PM
Yes, as you've repeatedly said now, you think its good that people should be held indefinitely if they inconvenience your beloved state idols.

To be sure, in this instance, luckily a federal judge agrees in terms of keeping non-violent offenders locked up for indeterminate periods of time on a pre-trial basis, which is why Richard Barnett has since been released.
What does that have to do with Jacob Blake?  You said I support him, I said no such thing.  That's the only reason I'm responding.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on June 01, 2021, 11:07:02 PM
What does that have to do with Jacob Blake?  You said I support him, I said no such thing.  That's the only reason I'm responding.

Bo, you were right. I lumped you in with some others after going back and re-reading, and I shouldn't have done that.

It's still a relevant point to others, but definitely not you.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on June 02, 2021, 05:50:21 AM
Bo, you were right. I lumped you in with some others after going back and re-reading, and I shouldn't have done that.

It's still a relevant point to others, but definitely not you.
It's all good.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on June 07, 2021, 02:40:58 PM
Scum.

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1401981291784986636?s=19
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 08, 2021, 09:07:19 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/january-6-senate-investigation/2021/06/08/a8cc5b1e-c7d4-11eb-81b1-34796c7393af_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/january-6-senate-investigation/2021/06/08/a8cc5b1e-c7d4-11eb-81b1-34796c7393af_story.html)

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: delavan on June 08, 2021, 11:22:29 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/january-6-senate-investigation/2021/06/08/a8cc5b1e-c7d4-11eb-81b1-34796c7393af_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/january-6-senate-investigation/2021/06/08/a8cc5b1e-c7d4-11eb-81b1-34796c7393af_story.html)

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Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on June 08, 2021, 01:13:51 PM
Quote
The U.S. Capitol Police had specific intelligence that supporters of President Donald Trump planned to mount an armed invasion of the Capitol at least two weeks before the Jan. 6 riot, according to new findings in a bipartisan Senate investigation, but a series of omissions and miscommunications kept that information from reaching front-line officers targeted by the violence.

A joint report, from the Senate Rules and Administration and the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committees, outlines the most detailed public timeline to date of the communications and intelligence failures that led the Capitol Police and partner agencies to prepare for the “Stop the Steal” protest as though it were a routine Trump rally, instead of the organized assault that was planned in the open online.

Released Tuesday, the report shows how an intelligence arm of the Capitol Police disseminated security assessments labeling the threat of violence “remote” to “improbable,” even as authorities collected evidence showing that pro-Trump activists intended to bring weapons to the demonstration and “storm the Capitol.”

“There were significant, widespread and unacceptable breakdowns in the intelligence gathering. . . . The failure to adequately assess the threat of violence on that day contributed significantly to the breach of the Capitol,” Sen. Gary Peters (D-Mich.), chairman of the homeland security panel, told reporters. “The attack was, quite frankly, planned in plain sight.”

The bipartisan report is the latest to examine the security failures that contributed to the mayhem as Congress tallied electoral college results certifying Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election. Its release comes just days after the Senate rejected legislation to create an independent investigative commission that passed the House with strong bipartisan support, and as lawmakers continue to wrestle with how to pay for security improvements to the Capitol campus.

The report’s recommendations, which call for better planning, training and intelligence gathering, largely mirror those of other investigators who have examined the topic, and its contents steer clear of offering any assessment or conclusion about Trump’s responsibility for the riot.

Still, the report provides a vivid picture of how poor communication and unheeded warnings left officers underequipped to face violent threats about which they had not been made aware, leaving the Capitol vulnerable to an attack that otherwise might have been preventable.

According to the report, Capitol Police intelligence officers knew as early as Dec. 21 that protesters planned to “bring guns” and other weapons to the Jan. 6 demonstration and turn them on any law enforcement officers who blocked their entry into the Capitol. They knew that would-be rioters were sharing maps of the Capitol campus online and discussing the building’s best entry points — and how to seal them off to trap lawmakers inside. But that information was shared only with command officers.

A separate security assessment dated Dec. 23 made no mention of those findings. Neither did a follow-up Dec. 30.

The only hints about what the Capitol Police’s Intelligence and Interagency Coordination Division knew appeared at the end of a 15-page report released on Jan. 3, which stated that “there is the possibility that the protesters may be inclined to become violent,” and that their desperation “may lead to a significantly dangerous situation for law enforcement and the general public alike.” But even that warning was fleeting: In the days that followed, in the Capitol Police’s daily intelligence assessments, such notes about violence were nowhere to be found.

In a statement Tuesday responding to the committees’ findings, the Capitol Police acknowledged an imperative to improve how it collects and shares intelligence internally and with its partners, saying “significant changes” have been implemented since the riot. But the agency insisted that, “At no point prior to the 6th did it receive actionable intelligence about a large-scale attack.”

“Before January 6, the Capitol Police leadership knew Congress and the Capitol grounds were to be the focus of a large demonstration attracting various groups, including some encouraging violence,” the statement read. “What the intelligence didn’t reveal...was the large-scale demonstration would become a large-scale attack on the Capitol Building as there was no specific, credible intelligence about such an attack.”

The Capitol Police statement adds that “neither the USCP, nor the FBI, U.S. Secret Service, Metropolitan Police or our other law enforcement partners knew thousands of rioters were planning to attack the U.S. Capitol. The known intelligence simply didn’t support that conclusion.”

Capitol Police intelligence report warned three days before attack that ‘Congress itself’ could be targeted

The Senate committees’ report found fault with the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI for failing to provide specific warnings about the threats posed to the Capitol. According to the report’s findings, the FBI alerted the Capitol Police of potential “war” only the night before Trump’s rally, attaching the warning to a casually worded email that was shared with other law enforcement agencies — and the warning was picked up by a Capitol Police intelligence unit separate from the one that had been preparing the threat assessments.

Spokespeople for the FBI and DHS did not immediately return requests for comment Tuesday morning.

The joint Senate investigation recommended improving the Capitol Police’s intelligence-gathering capabilities by, among other steps, housing all such specialists in one centralized unit.

But the report suggests that even with better intelligence, other governance and organizational deficiencies within the Capitol Police may have doomed its ability to respond to the riot. According to the findings, “fewer than ten” uniformed officers had actually been trained in how to use the “full suite of less-than-lethal munitions” that Capitol Police rely on for mob control, and much of the equipment in the force’s possession was either defective or inaccessible during the attack.

Inspector general says police order to hold back riot-control weapons compromised Capitol on Jan. 6

Senate investigators also found that leaders failed to follow arguably murky procedures for calling in reinforcements. The Capitol Police chief never filed a formal request to call in the National Guard, they determined, despite repeatedly asking his superiors to procure such backup — and the members of the Capitol Police Board still disagree about whether approving such a request needed to be a unanimous decision.

Giving the Capitol Police chief the power to call up the National Guard in emergencies is among the report’s 20 bipartisan recommendations for improving the Capitol’s security posture in the future — and the subject of forthcoming legislation from Rules and Administration Committee leaders, Sens. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) and Roy Blunt (R-Mo.). The recommendations also include pointed suggestions for federal agencies, such as exhorting the Defense Department and the D.C. National Guard to devise a standing plan for protecting the Capitol and mounting a faster response to terrorist threats.

The report faults slow mobilization and poor interdepartmental communication — not any sort of stand-down order from the White House, as some Trump critics had speculated — for the fact that it took the National Guard more than three hours to respond to pleas for help from the Capitol during the attack. According to its findings, it was Army staff — not Trump — expressing early reservations about a military intervention, while the Army secretary claimed he was never informed that the D.C. National Guard had a quick reaction force “ready to go” to the Capitol, just awaiting his approval.

A spokesman for the Defense Department said Tuesday that officials are aware of the report, but did not have an immediate response.

The most tangible impact of the report, which was based on public testimony, closed-door interviews from senior military personnel and additional communication with other federal officials, may come in the next several weeks, as lawmakers tackle what changes they can effect on campus.

Last month, the House narrowly passed a $1.9 billion supplemental appropriations package to pay for security improvements to the Capitol and settle accounts with the various agencies that responded to the riot. The intensely partisan reception for the measure all but guarantees that it will be narrowed as it moves through the Senate, where such legislation must procure 60 votes to avoid a procedural filibuster.

The senators who co-authored the report told reporters that they hope it provides a guide for what must be done — and that it can get the necessary bipartisan support to pass.

“It should be informing the supplemental appropriation,” said Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), the top Republican on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 27, 2021, 11:59:25 AM
Totally not an insurrection. Basically a sit in.

 https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs (https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 27, 2021, 12:23:42 PM
Aquillion Gonnell, Michael Fanone and Harry Dunn testimony to Select Committee on 1/6 Riot

https://youtu.be/Wgjb5G5g_Sc (https://youtu.be/Wgjb5G5g_Sc)

https://youtu.be/9dy0nYjSjUY (https://youtu.be/9dy0nYjSjUY)

https://youtu.be/5gl6f5nH6Wg (https://youtu.be/5gl6f5nH6Wg)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: delavan on July 27, 2021, 05:52:10 PM
Totally not an insurrection. Basically a sit in.

 https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs (https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs)

Why then wasn't an appropriate security posture put in place on January 6th?  Someone purposely leave the cop cupboard nearly bare so as to ensure a desired optic?   Me? I say jail these sons-of-bitch protestors and esp. fry those bastards who rioted, no questions asked.  They to a person totally and completely suck......at the same time it's curious that the same people  (including some here) who had nothing to say during the non-stop rioting that occurred throughout U.S. cities are suddenly throwing supportive pity party shlt fits o/b/o the paaw, beleaguered Capitol Police.   Granted the aforementioned, media-described riots were "mostly peaceful" (i.e. don't trust your lying eyes) but still....

Again, fry the Jan. 6th football game participants but at the same time there's a stinking double standard wholly based on political partisanship--media included.  These dirt ball pricks could've been stopped on the 6th with law enforcement professionals (and "intelligence") employing basic common sense preparedness.  Both sides are so totally full of sanctimonious bullshit.  Pigs, pricks  and prigs.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2021, 07:54:06 PM
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/two_thirds_of_voters_want_congress_to_investigate_2020_riots

More Americans want the BLM riots investigated than January 6th

I also like this little tidbit in there

Quote
An overwhelming 76% of voters believe young people should be taught to comply with police rather than resist or flee arrest.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 27, 2021, 08:43:08 PM
I'd definitely like someone to investigate the use of  Bureau of Prisons and ICE personnel deployed to DC without any identification and badges, the use of tear gas and rubber bullets to clear Lafayette Square, and the unmarked LOE abducting and holding protestors in Portland without charges.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on July 27, 2021, 08:46:31 PM
I'd definitely like someone to investigate the use of  Bureau of Prisons and ICE personnel deployed to DC without any identification and badges, the use of tear gas and rubber bullets to clear Lafayette Square, and the unmarked LOE abducting and holding protestors in Portland without charges.

But in all honesty this excrement should just be less freaking politicized.

The law should be the law. Instead you got the left and right pointing freaking fingers at each other and turning Americans against each other

Thr January 6th jackasses who did illegal excrement should be arrested. The people in Portland should be arrested.

Instead it's 100= about scoring points
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on July 27, 2021, 09:00:26 PM
Now that we're done with forcing equivalences, yes, the USCP and Intel communities either failed to act properly or chose to ignore the info of what was planned on Jan 6.

This was not a spontaneous occurrence.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on July 27, 2021, 10:00:41 PM
I'd definitely like someone to investigate the use of  Bureau of Prisons and ICE personnel deployed to DC without any identification and badges, the use of tear gas and rubber bullets to clear Lafayette Square, and the unmarked LOE abducting and holding protestors in Portland without charges.

I don't know how to tell you that you should care more about ordinary citizens businesses and neighborhoods being burnt to the freaking ground than you should a disruption in the state capitol and your precious government figures and idols being threatened. False equivalence indeed, but since you're so concerned about people being held without charges or at least under decidedly nonviolent charges, maybe you can explain to me how people have spent six months in solitary without any sort of due process afforded. A capitol police officer was assaulted trying to shield Rand Paul from a mob and the guy that did it was ROR'd within the next day.

Who are you kidding.

As for clearing Lafayette Square, while the idea that it was for Trump to get a photo op has been thoroughly debunked, maybe it was because some of those same "protesters' set St Johns on fire before they were culled.

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on August 05, 2021, 07:53:50 PM
Israel and Iran threaten to invade/bomb each other every week, but never do.  Can these countries just freak and get it over with?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: delavan on August 05, 2021, 09:40:22 PM
Israel and Iran threaten to invade/bomb each other every week, but never do.  Can these countries just freak and get it over with?

https://twitter.com/SKhatibzadeh/status/1423317508522663939
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on August 19, 2021, 05:39:08 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bomb-threat-capitol-ray-roseberry/

Was there any doubt that this hick would be named Floyd Ray?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 19, 2021, 07:55:27 PM
US media just doesn't want to call white people terrorists.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on August 19, 2021, 09:16:48 PM
US media just doesn't want to call white people terrorists.

Guess you forgot about how on Bidens first day of office he made a giant task force to combat domestic terrorism and probably the first 6 months of the year all the media went on and on about was how white men are the greatest threat to the world?

Did this guy commit an act of terrorism sure. But it sounds more like it was severe mental illness as the individuals intentions don't exactly seem clear (not did he actually make weapons or anything)

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 19, 2021, 09:34:30 PM
Did this guy commit an act of terrorism sure. But it sounds more like it was severe mental illness as the individuals intentions don't exactly seem clear (not did he actually make weapons or anything)



1. The Biden admin isn't the media

2. You fell immediately into the "not terrorist but mental illness" excuse that gets brought up every time a mass shooting is involved so great job at spreading that around.

3. Just because he's a shitty terrorist doesn't mean he's not a terrorist
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on August 19, 2021, 09:37:49 PM
What terrorist isn't mentally ill?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on August 19, 2021, 11:05:49 PM
What terrorist isn't mentally ill?
Brown ones, apparently.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 20, 2021, 08:24:35 AM
Did this guy commit an act of terrorism sure.

Looks like you figured it out at one point, great job.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on August 20, 2021, 08:31:36 AM
The notion that the media somehow runs cover for white men is some of the freaking funniest, most blind/deaf excrement to the current reality of the state of how the media covers things I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: delavan on August 20, 2021, 09:52:43 AM
Goober obviously had a screw loose. 
US media just doesn't want to call white people terrorists.

"...links to others or domestic terrorists groups."
 - Jeff Pegues, CBS News Chief Justice & Homeland Security Correspondent (the on-site reporter and fwiw, himself a man of color).

I'm just glad the cops showed patience and talked that "angry white male" off the ledge (I'll freak out about the racial semantics later).
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2021, 08:17:33 PM
Capitol bomb suspect's therapist uses the GH defense.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/capitol-bomb-threat-suspect-floyd-ray-roseberry-prescribed-wrong-medications-doctor-says-bipolar-library-of-congress-north-carolina-trump/65-fda556a9-56d3-4c01-98b1-023289ec4fa5 (https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/capitol-bomb-threat-suspect-floyd-ray-roseberry-prescribed-wrong-medications-doctor-says-bipolar-library-of-congress-north-carolina-trump/65-fda556a9-56d3-4c01-98b1-023289ec4fa5)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on August 25, 2021, 09:17:53 PM
Capitol bomb suspect's therapist uses the GH defense.

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/capitol-bomb-threat-suspect-floyd-ray-roseberry-prescribed-wrong-medications-doctor-says-bipolar-library-of-congress-north-carolina-trump/65-fda556a9-56d3-4c01-98b1-023289ec4fa5 (https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/capitol-bomb-threat-suspect-floyd-ray-roseberry-prescribed-wrong-medications-doctor-says-bipolar-library-of-congress-north-carolina-trump/65-fda556a9-56d3-4c01-98b1-023289ec4fa5)
GH?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 25, 2021, 09:30:00 PM
GH?

Green “I took the wrong pills” Hornet
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on August 26, 2021, 09:46:17 AM
Green "Santa gave me a lump of coal this year-in my head" Hornet.

(lol no he didn't). Anyway, maybe I'll see him on the Oswego!
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 26, 2021, 09:54:55 AM
Best part of GH saga was when he posted as his “son”
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: delavan on August 27, 2021, 04:56:19 PM
“To Sirhan, with Love”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/27/sirhan-parole-hearing/
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on August 27, 2021, 06:16:22 PM
Highly peculiar that they'd pardon a guy who assassinated a sitting senator.

Of course it's California so this is probably business as usual.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 27, 2021, 07:41:55 PM
Highly peculiar that they'd pardon a guy who assassinated a sitting senator.

Of course it's California so this is probably business as usual.

Read the first three words of the headline again.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: delavan on August 27, 2021, 07:55:21 PM
Highly peculiar that they'd pardon a guy who assassinated a sitting senator.

Of course it's California so this is probably business as usual.

Somewhat peculiar is that a NYS governor would pardon a group who (back in the day) assassinated a NYS.......acab.......   andy deli-ca-dandy
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: reuben on August 27, 2021, 09:48:20 PM
“To Sirhan, with Love”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/08/27/sirhan-parole-hearing/

Goddamn, Bobby had 11 kids?  By 42.  Catholics, man. 
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on August 28, 2021, 02:49:35 AM
Read the first three words of the headline again.

Yes it's not done and set

But it's trending that direction
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on August 28, 2021, 08:28:51 AM
Yes it's not done and set

But it's trending that direction

Do you not understand the difference between parole and a pardon?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on August 28, 2021, 09:04:12 PM
Do you not understand the difference between parole and a pardon?

I'm notoriously bad at reading what I write
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on October 13, 2021, 05:16:03 PM
Sounds like this is going to be the right thread for this story.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/13/world/europe/norway-bow-arrow-attack.html
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Badger on October 13, 2021, 06:33:51 PM
Sounds like this is going to be the right thread for this story.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/13/world/europe/norway-bow-arrow-attack.html
Mfer making us normal archers look bad.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on October 13, 2021, 06:47:01 PM
Mfer making us normal archers look bad.

Bows don't kill people.... wait excrement. The 2A nuts are going to love this.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on October 13, 2021, 06:53:37 PM
Is there a semiautomatic multi-round bow?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: delavan on October 13, 2021, 07:27:11 PM


Bows don't kill people.... wait excrement. The 2A nuts are going to love this.
  Here's your 2A nuts   

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Herakles_the_Archer_-_MET_-_24.232.jpg/1365px-Herakles_the_Archer_-_MET_-_24.232.jpg)

The Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms including both knives and bows & arrows, i.e. much more than firearms.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 23, 2021, 04:45:25 PM
https://twitter.com/TheNoboddy/status/1462730447717236737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1462730447717236737%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fus%2Fmilwaukee-blm-activist-christmas-parade-attack-revolution-waukesha

terrorists.

The lies that have been spewed behind the Blake confrontation and Rittenhouse verdict have now resulted in a coward taking lives.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 23, 2021, 05:38:25 PM
https://twitter.com/TheNoboddy/status/1462730447717236737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1462730447717236737%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fus%2Fmilwaukee-blm-activist-christmas-parade-attack-revolution-waukesha

terrorists.

The lies that have been spewed behind the Blake confrontation and Rittenhouse verdict have now resulted in a coward taking lives.

Cowards are allowed to take lives, this was established in court last week. What are you complaining about? You're clearly a fan of public violence.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2021, 06:00:33 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/1463294306194755586?s=21

Charged with 5 counts of intentional homicide

Death toll rose to 6 today though
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 23, 2021, 06:01:25 PM
4 women between 52-79, an 81 year old man, and a kid

Wtf
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 23, 2021, 09:58:05 PM
Cowards are allowed to take lives, this was established in court last week. What are you complaining about? You're clearly a fan of public violence.

Let me understand this, you're actually going to compare Kyle Rittenhouse engaging in self defense with a monster ramming their car into a crowd of people?

This will not be the last time left wing lies and rhetoric results in the death of innocents. I SINCERELY hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 23, 2021, 10:48:10 PM
He doesn't fit the definition of terrorism yet. Definitely a mass murderer but so far he doesn't have a stated political agenda.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 24, 2021, 08:00:59 AM
Let me understand this, you're actually going to compare Kyle Rittenhouse engaging in self defense with a monster ramming their car into a crowd of people?

This will not be the last time left wing lies and rhetoric results in the death of innocents. I SINCERELY hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.

Yes of course I am. We've already established that a) US law allows for citizens to bring a lethal weapon to a public assembly, use it to kill multiple people, and be found innocent of any offences, and b) that you are completely supportive of this particular set of laws. It seems highly prejudicial of you therefore to assume without any evidence that Darrell Brooks wasn't acting out of a combination of an extreme fear for his own safety and an altruistic desire to protect other people's property.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2021, 08:19:36 AM
Let me understand this, you're actually going to compare Kyle Rittenhouse engaging in self defense with a monster ramming their car into a crowd of people?

This will not be the last time left wing lies and rhetoric results in the death of innocents. I SINCERELY hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.

lol self defense. 

why was he there with a semi-automatic weapon in the first place?  And if you respond with something asinine like "well, it's his right".....then we finally rooted out the problem.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on November 24, 2021, 09:16:14 AM
Yes of course I am. We've already established that a) US law allows for citizens to bring a lethal weapon to a public assembly, use it to kill multiple people, and be found innocent of any offences, and b) that you are completely supportive of this particular set of laws. It seems highly prejudicial of you therefore to assume without any evidence that Darrell Brooks wasn't acting out of a combination of an extreme fear for his own safety and an altruistic desire to protect other people's property.

Easily the worst take you've ever had.

First of all, we haven't established what you think was established in the least, and second of all you're comparing a riot to a holiday parade. Peaceful assembly my derriere.

Bonus points for the ItS oNlY pRoPeRtY as if people's lives aren't directly invested in their property whether it be a home or small business.

I can't tell whether this is serious honestly, I have to imagine it isn't.


lol self defense. 
then we finally rooted out the problem.

Actually, the problem is people are so afraid of guns they apparently don't understand their necessity in terms of people defending themselves, the Rittenhouse case being a prime example. Like you'd have to be a complete freaking idiot to ask why someone chose to protect themselves while seeking to render aid during a riot given what went down in the summer of 2020 in cities across the country, but in this specific instance you'd have to be even dumber given the fact that the reason why he brought the gun was totally justified when some crazy pedo threatened his life and then actually tried to attack him (on top of some poopchute trying to brain him with a skateboard and then a felon pointing HIS illegal gun at the subject).
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2021, 09:37:39 AM



Actually, the problem is people are so afraid of guns they apparently don't understand their necessity in terms of people defending themselves, the Rittenhouse case being a prime example. Like you'd have to be a complete freaking idiot to ask why someone chose to protect themselves while seeking to render aid during a riot given what went down in the summer of 2020 in cities across the country, but in this specific instance you'd have to be even dumber given the fact that the reason why he brought the gun was totally justified when some crazy pedo threatened his life and then actually tried to attack him (on top of some poopchute trying to brain him with a skateboard and then a felon pointing HIS illegal gun at the subject).



*sigh*

Ok...i admit it, MJ. I was trolling the freak out of you last week.  Sometimes boredom gets the better of me, and you're an easy target.

But that bolded statement from your post has to be the dumbest freaking thing you've said in your history of being on JO, YDKF and TGG.

People being afraid of guns isn't a "problem", it's a natural reaction....because, you know, they can severely injure and/or kill you. 

Canada (and most places around the world) doesn't allow people to carry guns like iPhones, and we've done just fine.  Rittenhouse is a 17 year old imbecile....basically the type of person that shouldn't be running around with any type of firearm in his possession in any scenario.  freak you and your "self defense" argument.  Quit using it, because it completely ignores the common sense required of not being armed at that rally in the first place.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on November 24, 2021, 12:34:38 PM
lol self defense. 

why was he there with a semi-automatic weapon in the first place?  And if you respond with something asinine like "well, it's his right".....then we finally rooted out the problem.

Kyle Rittenhouse is a freaking retard who DESERVES to go to prison. But he's not a terrorist. He's a product of inbreeding that engaged in retardly criminal behavior (bringing a rifle into a rioting criminal crowd) and deserves to go to prison for that.

He by all means does have an extremely legitimate self defense claim, and the world's probably a better place now that a child rapist & Co are dead. But the world would also be a better place if Rittenhouse went to prison.

The world needs to know that Rittenhouse isn't some freaking White Supremacist terrorist hellbent on murdering people, but that he's also not some innocent victim who was engaging in perfectly reasonable behavior either.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on November 24, 2021, 12:40:12 PM

*sigh*

Ok...i admit it, MJ. I was trolling the freak out of you last week.  Sometimes boredom gets the better of me, and you're an easy target.

But that bolded statement from your post has to be the dumbest freaking thing you've said in your history of being on JO, YDKF and TGG.

People being afraid of guns isn't a "problem", it's a natural reaction....because, you know, they can severely injure and/or kill you. 

Canada (and most places around the world) doesn't allow people to carry guns like iPhones, and we've done just fine.  Rittenhouse is a 17 year old imbecile....basically the type of person that shouldn't be running around with any type of firearm in his possession in any scenario.  freak you and your "self defense" argument.  Quit using it, because it completely ignores the common sense required of not being armed at that rally in the first place.

I think people should be afraid of guns. I also think people should be afraid of cars, yet you have freaking retards driving under the influence or jerking off on their freaking cellphone everyday and driving laws against this behavior are incredibly lax.

Roughly 1 person dies from a gun for every 1 person who dies from a car on the USA. That rate becomes 2:1 for cars when you weed out intentional suicide by firearm.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: ons on November 24, 2021, 12:40:55 PM
terrorists.

The lies that have been spewed behind the Blake confrontation and Rittenhouse verdict have now resulted in a coward taking lives.

I'm sorry, is there a better source for the motive than some guy hesitantly implying that some unnamed person's rumor might be true?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 24, 2021, 12:47:07 PM
Kyle Rittenhouse is a freaking retard who DESERVES to go to prison. But he's not a terrorist. He's a product of inbreeding that engaged in retardly criminal behavior (bringing a rifle into a rioting criminal crowd) and deserves to go to prison for that.

He by all means does have an extremely legitimate self defense claim, and the world's probably a better place now that a child rapist & Co are dead. But the world would also be a better place if Rittenhouse went to prison.

The world needs to know that Rittenhouse isn't some freaking White Supremacist terrorist hellbent on murdering people, but that he's also not some innocent victim who was engaging in perfectly reasonable behavior either.
I agree with....dcm?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2021, 12:49:20 PM
I agree with....dcm?

I actually agree with his post too...but then dcm got greedy, and started comparing guns to cars in his next post.  Now we all need to take a shower.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 24, 2021, 12:54:49 PM
I actually agree with his post too...but then dcm got greedy, and started comparing guns to cars in his next post.  Now we all need to take a shower.
Let him have the win.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on November 24, 2021, 12:59:34 PM
I actually agree with his post too...but then dcm got greedy, and started comparing guns to cars in his next post.  Now we all need to take a shower.

They kill almost the exact same number of people annually when used irresponsibly. A car is by all means a weapon, hell like 5 posts up yall were literally talking about a terrorist using a car as such.

Here's another hot take.

I think the rights celebrity circle jerk of Rittenhouse is a lot like the lefts circle jerk of George Floyd.

Shitheads being praised as heroes because politics.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: MBGreen on November 24, 2021, 01:08:11 PM
They kill almost the exact same number of people annually when used irresponsibly. A car is by all means a weapon, hell like 5 posts up yall were literally talking about a terrorist using a car as such.

Here's another hot take.

I think the rights celebrity circle jerk of Rittenhouse is a lot like the lefts circle jerk of George Floyd.

Shitheads being praised as heroes because politics.

Dude, you know they're not the same.  So stop.

Poisonous snakes are weapons too.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on November 24, 2021, 01:29:35 PM
Dude, you know they're not the same.  So stop.

Poisonous snakes are weapons too.

I know

It's so sad 40,000 Americans are being murdered by poisonous snake wielding ninjas every year
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on November 24, 2021, 01:47:18 PM
It's a shame that cop didn't bury his knee into dcm's neck instead
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on November 24, 2021, 02:13:21 PM
It's a shame that cop didn't bury his knee into dcm's neck instead

 Maybe next time I'm on meth and Fentanyl they will
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 24, 2021, 06:12:05 PM
Easily the worst take you've ever had.

First of all, we haven't established what you think was established in the least, and second of all you're comparing a riot to a holiday parade. Peaceful assembly my derriere.

Bonus points for the ItS oNlY pRoPeRtY as if people's lives aren't directly invested in their property whether it be a home or small business.

I can't tell whether this is serious honestly, I have to imagine it isn't.

I didn't say "peaceful assembly", don't put words in my mouth. I said "public assembly". Am I being serious? Ish. My point is stupid, but then I think your defense of Rittenhouse and particularly of the laws that apparently allow white people to do such things are equally so.


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Actually, the problem is people are so afraid of guns they apparently don't understand their necessity in terms of people defending themselves, the Rittenhouse case being a prime example. Like you'd have to be a complete freaking idiot to ask why someone chose to protect themselves while seeking to render aid during a riot given what went down in the summer of 2020 in cities across the country, but in this specific instance you'd have to be even dumber given the fact that the reason why he brought the gun was totally justified when some crazy pedo threatened his life and then actually tried to attack him (on top of some poopchute trying to brain him with a skateboard and then a felon pointing HIS illegal gun at the subject).


It's funny that you should talk about people being afraid of guns. Firstly, I'm not afraid of guns. One side of my family is pretty much all military, I was a cadet through my teens and went shooting once a month, and still love the opportunity to make blasty holes in bits of paper. Guns are good fun when managed properly, and useful tools for those who need them. So no, very much not afraid of guns.

You know who is afraid of guns though? Kyle Rittenhouse. And you. You defend gun laws as a "necessity in terms of people defending themselves", which by definition means that you're afraid of being attacked, presumably by other people with guns. You know who isn't afraid of being attacked by people with guns? People in countries where they're not allowed to own guns to prevent other people attacking them with guns.

Carrying a firearm for the purpose of defense is like having sex bareback to avoid getting pregnant. It's demonstrably stupid on a level far beyond the stupidity of all the other stupid laws.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on November 24, 2021, 06:31:35 PM
I didn't say "peaceful assembly", don't put words in my mouth. I said "public assembly". Am I being serious? Ish. My point is stupid, but then I think your defense of Rittenhouse and particularly of the laws that apparently allow white people to do such things are equally so.


It's funny that you should talk about people being afraid of guns. Firstly, I'm not afraid of guns. One side of my family is pretty much all military, I was a cadet through my teens and went shooting once a month, and still love the opportunity to make blasty holes in bits of paper. Guns are good fun when managed properly, and useful tools for those who need them. So no, very much not afraid of guns.

You know who is afraid of guns though? Kyle Rittenhouse. And you. You defend gun laws as a "necessity in terms of people defending themselves", which by definition means that you're afraid of being attacked, presumably by other people with guns. You know who isn't afraid of being attacked by people with guns? People in countries where they're not allowed to own guns to prevent other people attacking them with guns.

Carrying a firearm for the purpose of defense is like having sex bareback to avoid getting pregnant. It's demonstrably stupid on a level far beyond the stupidity of all the other stupid laws.

I'm more anti gun than pro gun. But this isn't exactly the best argument.

Sure most homicides happen with guns. But the odds of being murdered, are pretty damn low. When it comes to rapes and assaults which are far far more common than homicides, the vast majority do not entail the use of firearms. So I wouldn't say someone using a gun for defense is using it to defend against guns.

That a said I think the idea of using guns for defense as a civilian is pretty freaking stupid. If you want to keep a gun in your home for defense, I think that argument can hold water. But to be walking around with a gun? I think that excrement causes more problems than it fixes
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 24, 2021, 08:14:13 PM
I'm more anti gun than pro gun. But this isn't exactly the best argument.

Sure most homicides happen with guns. But the odds of being murdered, are pretty damn low. When it comes to rapes and assaults which are far far more common than homicides, the vast majority do not entail the use of firearms. So I wouldn't say someone using a gun for defense is using it to defend against guns.

That a said I think the idea of using guns for defense as a civilian is pretty freaking stupid. If you want to keep a gun in your home for defense, I think that argument can hold water. But to be walking around with a gun? I think that excrement causes more problems than it fixes

Mate, it's been a really long day / week and I don't have the energy to argue semantics, especially when I think we're in essentially the same place on this topic. Fact is that the only reason anyone wants to own a firearm for self defense is because they're afraid. For most/many of those firearm owners it's a fear born out of an essentially decent, if delusional, position of wanting to defend themselves and their family, and for what I suspect is a scarily significant number that fear manifests itself in a hero complex (eg Rittenhouse).

The inalienable and long since proven facts are that owning a firearm makes you less safe, and making firearms available to the public increases, not decreases, your chances of being a victim of gin crime. Whether that crime is homicide or rape or assault or violent robbery, the fact that it's easier for the bad guys to get guns means that you're more likely to be their victim, and so you're more scared of that happening, and so you think that owning one yourself is going to keep you safer even though the facts tell us that owning a firearm means you and your children are in much more danger of using it on yourselves or each other than the balaclava-wearing boogeyman. And I think we agree on that.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 24, 2021, 08:42:37 PM
I have a baseball bat next to my bed.  I'm gonna wreck someone's excrement if they come in my house.  If I had a gunId probably Barney Fife my foot by accident and bleed to death.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on November 24, 2021, 08:53:46 PM
I have a baseball bat next to my bed.  I'm gonna wreck someone's excrement if they come in my house.  If I had a gunId probably Barney Fife my foot by accident and bleed to death.

I have an internet radio and a pile of books next to my bed. If someone comes into my house they're going to get subjected to a treatise on how North America has cruelly misunderstood Judge Dredd and the allegorical nature of the society he rules over and then made to listen to the dulcet tones of Dotun Adebayo on BBC Radio 5 until they fall asleep, at which point I'll call the police and have his derriere arrested.

Except that no one is breaking into my house while I'm asleep, because that excrement doesn't happen. Historically speaking the vast majority of break ins happen during the day when the house is most likely to be empty, because most home invasion crimes are committed by people who want valuables such as jewellery and cash as well as easily pawned consumer items like laptops, and want nothing to do with an actual confrontation. So keeping a baseball bat or a firearm or nunchucks to hand in case the boogeyman breaks in is an entirely pointless exercise.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: bojanglesman on November 24, 2021, 09:02:57 PM
I have an internet radio and a pile of books next to my bed. If someone comes into my house they're going to get subjected to a treatise on how North America has cruelly misunderstood Judge Dredd and the allegorical nature of the society he rules over and then made to listen to the dulcet tones of Dotun Adebayo on BBC Radio 5 until they fall asleep, at which point I'll call the police and have his derriere arrested.
You cruel son of a bitch.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 25, 2021, 09:37:56 AM
I fart in my sleep. Good luck breathing through that.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: dcm1602 on May 24, 2022, 01:51:22 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/isis-suspect-arrested-for-plot-to-kill-former-president-bush
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 11, 2022, 12:37:48 PM
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1579886496966148096?s=20&t=eKrRVFc7vfCtEfM2e9GxIg (https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1579886496966148096?s=20&t=eKrRVFc7vfCtEfM2e9GxIg)

This looks like fun.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on October 11, 2022, 12:45:38 PM
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1579886496966148096?s=20&t=eKrRVFc7vfCtEfM2e9GxIg (https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1579886496966148096?s=20&t=eKrRVFc7vfCtEfM2e9GxIg)

This looks like fun.

mj is back at it again
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: CatoTheElder on January 24, 2023, 07:49:54 AM
More Oath Keepers getting convicted for seditious conspiracy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/23/oathkeepers-verdict-seditious-conspiracy-jan6-guilty/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/23/oathkeepers-verdict-seditious-conspiracy-jan6-guilty/)
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on January 25, 2023, 06:45:49 PM
mj is back at it again

that's cute, don't you have high school kids to harass and malign because they wore a hat?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2023, 07:40:08 PM
that's cute, don't you have high school kids to harass and malign because they wore a hat?

https://www.businessinsider.com/covington-kid-nicholas-sandmann-loses-lawsuits-against-abc-nyt-others-2022-7?amp

this is your god?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on January 25, 2023, 07:50:08 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/covington-kid-nicholas-sandmann-loses-lawsuits-against-abc-nyt-others-2022-7?amp

this is your god?

Completely irrelevant.

You were totally had and continue to double down because you're stupid. It's ok.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2023, 07:54:59 PM
Completely irrelevant.

You were totally had and continue to double down because you're stupid. It's ok.

Why do you care about this so much?

That kid is a complete bitch.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on January 25, 2023, 07:56:54 PM
Why do you care about this so much?

That kid is a complete bitch.

Why is he a bitch? Because he wore a hat? Because a bunch of racists were chanting all kinds of racial and homosexual slurs at him? Or because an absolute stolen valor jerkoff of a chief completely lied about what happened for five minutes of fame because it fit an easy narrative?

I'm not the one that invoked anybody's name around here, I just enjoy pointing out the obvious instance in which your dumbass tribalism and stupidity couldn't get you to move off a clearly idiotic opinion.
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Heismanberg on January 25, 2023, 11:55:47 PM
Why is he a bitch? Because he wore a hat?

Yes
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on January 26, 2023, 12:16:59 AM
Yes

I can't comprehend being such a tribalistic tool that I'd think someone deserves all kinds of horrific excrement yelled at them and then to be made a national pariah based on absolute falsehoods because they wore a hat.

Remember though, it's those other people that are cultists!

Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: Johnny English on January 26, 2023, 08:32:32 AM
I can't comprehend being such a tribalistic tool that I'd think someone deserves all kinds of horrific excrement yelled at them and then to be made a national pariah based on absolute falsehoods because they wore a hat.

Remember though, it's those other people that are cultists!



Really? You can't comprehend it at all? Does the wearing of an item of clothing of a particular colour and logo symbolising a particular set of beliefs and character traits not resonate with you at all?

Are you not a sports fan?
Title: Re: Terrorists
Post by: mj2sexay on January 27, 2023, 01:02:32 AM
Really? You can't comprehend it at all? Does the wearing of an item of clothing of a particular colour and logo symbolising a particular set of beliefs and character traits not resonate with you at all?

Are you not a sports fan?

We should look at politics with the same tribalistic impulse that we do sports?

Besides, I usually don't give a freak if I go out and I see someone in a Red Sox hat.