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Other Stuff => The Pats-Hater Parking Lot => Topic started by: Heismanberg on October 29, 2013, 10:49:50 PM
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HBO Teaser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8i5CR4kDjM
New Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roiKrE5KLbk#t=76
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This looks like it will be fantastic.
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Everything looks good besides the name.
True Detective? Really?
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Everything looks good besides the name.
True Detective? Really?
Kind of annoying considering True Blood is on HBO too. I hope McConaughey and Harrelson's plot is only for one season and an entirely different story with new actors happens in the second.
I can't see it being a long running series if they don't use that method. I just don't see them sticking around for three or four seasons.
Also: Brother Mouzone is in it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh93mAeKcQo
I am pumped for this. Hopefully it and Justified will fill the Breaking Bad void.
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The show is also an anthology, so all future seasons (if it gets picked up for future season) will deal with a new story and new actors, similar to American Horror Story.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12NLvNPsWNk
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This is getting great reviews
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The show is also an anthology, so all future seasons (if it gets picked up for future season) will deal with a new story and new actors, similar to American Horror Story.
I wonder if they'll try to keep the same actors like AHS does. It's nice to see the same cast in completely different roles. A callback to a previous era.
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I wonder if they'll try to keep the same actors like AHS does. It's nice to see the same cast in completely different roles. A callback to a previous era.
Mexican soap operas?
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Kidding aside, I love how they reuse the actors in AHS.
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I wonder if they'll try to keep the same actors like AHS does. It's nice to see the same cast in completely different roles. A callback to a previous era.
Highly doubt it, because these are big name actors.
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Highly doubt it, because these are big name actors.
Matthew and Woody are one and done according to their interview in EW magazine.
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The show is also an anthology, so all future seasons (if it gets picked up for future season) will deal with a new story and new actors, similar to American Horror Story.
So is there a recurring plot or theme for the series? I haven't watched the trailers in this thread, but saw parts on TV
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So is there a recurring plot or theme for the series? I haven't watched the trailers in this thread, but saw parts on TV
Plot no, theme yes.
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So is there a recurring plot or theme for the series? I haven't watched the trailers in this thread, but saw parts on TV
Every season they're going to redo everything.
New crime story, new actors, probably even a new director.
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I have to say it looks great.
Now HBO just has to bring Deadwood back and finish it properly.
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Won't be able to watch this til tomorrow.
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5 minutes in and I am very intrigued
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Slow start but it held my interest.
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Woke up early and watched the premiere. Loved it.
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Oh, I was just a regular-type dude with a big-derriere dick.
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Slow start but it held my interest.
Same
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I started watching on HBOGo around 9:30 and it streamed perfectly, I even hooked up my laptop to the TV so I could watch on the big screen. Stayed in HD the whole time with no buffering.
Very different from the Game of Thrones streaming experience:
9:00 Log in
9:04 Start refreshing page
9:05 Episode becomes available, click "Play Title"
9:10 After period of buffering, credits begin to play choppily in 240p
9:17 Episode stops, loading wheel spins around for a while
9:20 Show resumes in 360p
9:29 Second loading wheel intermission
9:50 Show reaches 480p, last scene may or may not reach 720p
10:05 Ask myself why I can't just wait until Monday to watch this show
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AV Club gives [the first few episodes of] season 1 a B+.
http://www.avclub.com/review/true-detective-avoids-pulp-in-favor-of-philosophy-200791
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AV Club gives season 1 a B+.
http://www.avclub.com/review/true-detective-avoids-pulp-in-favor-of-philosophy-200791
Isn't that based on the first few episodes.
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Isn't that based on the first few episodes.
You're right, it says "Four episodes watched for review" at the end.
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You're right, it says "Four episodes watched for review" at the end.
Yeah I figured that was the case as most networks are very leery of giving out entire seasons even to critics, somehow they always find their way onto the internet.
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didn't think it started that slow, the crime scene was bizarre. I thought it was a great premiere, thoroughly interesting
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didn't think it started that slow, the crime scene was bizarre. I thought it was a great premiere, thoroughly interesting
Needs more zombies
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Needs more zombies
moar meaningless dialogue pls
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didn't think it started that slow, the crime scene was bizarre. I thought it was a great premiere, thoroughly interesting
Didn't think it was slow either. Every single scene was interesting, especially the car rides with Cohle and Hart.
I feel like Cohle is freaking with Hart with a lot of things that he says. Can't tell yet.
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Slow doesn't mean uninteresting. It just felt slow. I meant it as a description.
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Slow doesn't mean uninteresting. It just felt slow. I meant it as a description.
Oh, I knew what you meant. It didn't feel that way (for me) when I watched it this morning.
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Probably going to end up being someone wearing a weird mask.
The small comment about saving the kids in the woods leads me to believe the whole thing is going to get much more crazy.
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There's something strange/terrible that's going to start happening with children, which is probably why Cohle goes back to his old ways.
And Hart is definitely banging Alexandra Daddario on the side.
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And Hart is definitely banging Alexandra Daddario on the side.
Yeah, that seemed obvious.
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Yeah, that seemed obvious.
That was one of the more obvious future storylines pointed out.
Cohle being a part of IA is something that a lot of people overlooked, and I didn't catch it the first time I watched.
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Watched it last night finally and it's slow, very slow. The show is supposedly about MM and WH more so than a serial killer. The showrunner is on record he has no interest in serial killers. We shall see where this is headed. I liked that MM knew right away the killer was back while WH didn't.
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Watched it last night finally and it's slow, very slow. The show is supposedly about MM and WH more so than a serial killer. The showrunner is on record he has no interest in serial killers. We shall see where this is headed. I liked that MM knew right away the killer was back while WH didn't.
Bold prediction: Hart (and some others) are going to set someone up for the crimes to get ahead, and Cohle is going to "betray" him in some way...maybe through Internal Affairs.
I loved Rectify too, and almost everyone thinks that it's slow. Character studies are just something that I enjoy more than others, I guess.
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I think the governor and his brother are going to meddle with the investigation and it could lead to the wrong guy getting charged with the murder(s?). I think Cohle will have obvious issues with this and his reaction will lead to his apparent downfall.
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I think the governor and his brother are going to meddle with the investigation and it could lead to the wrong guy getting charged with the murder(s?).
They're cousins. He's my top suspect right now, but I'm probably wrong. Dora Lange's ex-husband is still going to be important, I think.
Everything might get pinned all on one person. The missing girl is definitely connected to the prostitute murder, but I think the crimes are going to be different.
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I think Cohle will have obvious issues with this and his reaction will lead to his apparent downfall.
There's an arrest that's made in '95, and they don't have a falling out until 2002. excrement will go down. Cohle will probably obsess over it and become an addict again.
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Bold prediction: Hart (and some others) are going to set someone up for the crimes to get ahead, and Cohle is going to "betray" him in some way...maybe through Internal Affairs.
I loved Rectify too, and almost everyone thinks that it's slow. Character studies are just something that I enjoy more than others, I guess.
Slow doesn't equal bad, that's for sure. It just means you have to pay attention more than other shows. You really had to pay attention to the dialogue. Well Hart is no longer a detective, did he retire or was he forced out? Hart seems as goofy as Carson Wells, they seem very similar.
I loved the fact the guy belly aching the most about IA and whom promptly got bitch slapped was Steve the Drunk, How awesome was that?
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I loved the fact the guy belly aching the most about IA and whom promptly got bitch slapped was Steve the Drunk, How awesome was that?
And Steve the Drunk seems to be a drunk in this show as well.
I think both Hart and Cohle are good detectives in different ways. Hart seems to be the chosen one of that department, so he has to be doing somethings right.
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BTW I don't think we have met the killer yet, I think the killer is just a plot device to create turmoil between the characters.
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They're cousins. He's my top suspect right now, but I'm probably wrong. Dora Lange's ex-husband is still going to be important, I think.
Everything might get pinned all on one person. The missing girl is definitely connected to the prostitute murder, but I think the crimes are going to be different.
Dexter will catch the real killer before the police ever figure it out.
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BTW I don't think we have met the killer yet, I think the killer is just a plot device to create turmoil between the characters.
I agree, I don't think it's anyone we've met or heard of yet.
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And Steve the Drunk seems to be a drunk in this show as well.
I think both Hart and Cohle are good detectives in different ways. Hart seems to be the chosen one of that department, so he has to be doing somethings right.
The more Deadwood and The Wire actors the better, Brother Mouzzone, Lester, was in this as well.
It's obvious Cohle is the better detective and more in tune with the case. Hart is more of the politically savvy guy vs. being a criminal profiler.
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The more Deadwood and The Wire actors the better. Brother Mouzzone was in this as well.
Lester Freamon too
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Lester Freamon too
Beat my edit.
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The crime scenes reminded me of the Robin Hood Hills murders
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I agree, I don't think it's anyone we've met or heard of yet.
Yeah I don't think the writers would be that lazy and have MM or WH be the killer, that would be a let down in my opinion.
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The crime scenes reminded me of the Robin Hood Hills murders
There was a killing in Hannibal (tv show) that was similar as well
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Yeah I don't think the writers would be that lazy and have MM or WH be the killer, that would be a let down in my opinion.
I doubt it.
Cohle has definitely been through some stuff though. His record from his previous job is sealed (likely undercover, which is why he's on/off pills and alcohol) and his daughter died. Watching McConaughey play that part of him spiraling into what he is in the present will be great.
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BTW I don't think we have met the killer yet, I think the killer is just a plot device to create turmoil between the characters.
Yeah, that's the feeling I got. The killer doesn't matter as much as the crime that was committed and the effect that it has on the investigators (especially MM).
I doubt it.
Cohle has definitely been through some stuff though. His record from his previous job is sealed (likely undercover, which is why he's on/off pills and alcohol) and his daughter died. Watching McConaughey play that part of him spiraling into what he is in the present will be great.
That's probably the thing I'm most interested in seeing. I've liked MM ever since "A Time to Kill." I also like watching WH in serious roles and always think back to just how absent-minded he was on Cheers. Night-and-day.
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That's probably the thing I'm most interested in seeing. I've liked MM ever since "A Time to Kill." I also like watching WH in serious roles and always think back to just how absent-minded he was on Cheers. Night-and-day.
You might like Rampart. I haven't seen it but I heard it was good.
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Heard that there might be some supernatural elements in the fourth and fifth episodes.
"Do you believe in ghosts?"
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You might like Rampart. I haven't seen it but I heard it was good.
I've never heard of it.
Heard that there might be some supernatural elements in the fourth and fifth episodes.
"Do you believe in ghosts?"
Really? I figured superstition would play a big part due to the stick sculpture thing, but more than that I wasn't really expecting.
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Really? I figured superstition would play a big part due to the stick sculpture thing, but more than that I wasn't really expecting.
I just think we're going to see hallucinations and some crazy evangelical excrement.
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I just think we're going to see hallucinations and some crazy evangelical excrement.
Oh okay. That's cool and would likely fit. For a minute I was worried that what looks like a promising drama would attempt to capitalize on the OMGZOMBS!!!111ONEone craze.
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Oh okay. That's cool and would likely fit. For a minute I was worried that what looks like a promising drama would attempt to capitalize on the OMGZOMBS!!!111ONEone craze.
Definitely not anything like that.
In one of the previews that I watched for this, McConaughey sees a flock of startled birds fly away and together they resemble the symbol that was painted on Dora Lange's back.
I think we're just going to see both lead characters lose their excrement in different ways. Really looking forward to it.
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Definitely not anything like that.
In one of the previews that I watched for this, McConaughey sees a flock of startled birds fly away and together they resemble the symbol that was painted on Dora Lange's back.
I think we're just going to see both lead characters lose their excrement in different ways. Really looking forward to it.
Yeah, this looks like a great trip down the road to mental breakdowns for the main characters. I'm really looking forward to seeing where this goes.
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Awesome, the hot Amish broad from Banshee, one of the most entertaining, cool shows on tv, is in this. She was the young hooker they interviewed.
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Awesome, the hot Amish broad from Banshee, one of the most entertaining, cool shows on tv, is in this. She was the young hooker they interviewed.
I need to find a stream of this ASAP.
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Obviously NSFW
http://www.recapped.com/alexandra-daddario-nude-in-true-detective
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This show is cool they have a great lineup of hot broads it rivals Banshee as a matter of fact. Daddario has a beautiful derriere and a great set of funbags.
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This show is brilliant
Marty smelling his fingers when Cohle went back inside to get directions was hilarious
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Give McConaughey the Emmy already
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Not really feeling this show. This is the main writer's first crack at a TV series and I don't think he's gotten the hang of it yet.
Maybe it gets better, but I find myself spacing out a bit when I'm watching it. It's not really engrossing. MM does a great job of acting, but besides that and alexanda didarrio or whatever's funbags, it's kinda meh.
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This is the main writer's first crack at a TV series and I don't think he's gotten the hang of it yet.
No, it isn't. He wrote a few episodes of The Killing before this. And he isn't the main writer, he's the only writer. He's a really popular crime novelist and this show is going to play out like one.
The writing is really good, in my opinion. I guess that means I'm going down with this ship as well.
If you don't like it, that's fine. Questioning the writing is reaching though.
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What's with those young girls depicting gang rape?
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If you listened to what they were saying as he walked down the hall to their room, it sounded like they were playing crime scene, but that does look a lot like a gang rape.
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What's with those young girls depicting gang rape?
I think Hart is so out of touch with his family that he's starting to hallucinate in his own ways as well
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There are a lot of layers right now that make any predictions really tough to make. That being said, obviously there's a connection to religion, and this yellow king is someone that I'm sure Tuttle knows about.
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There are a lot of layers right now that make any predictions really tough to make. That being said, obviously there's a connection to religion, and this yellow king is someone that I'm sure Tuttle knows about.
Jay Sanders is always a villain. I think he's involved in some way.
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The King in Yellow is a horror anthology
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The King in Yellow is a horror anthology
Just looked into it. It's a collection of short stories based on a fake play called The King in Yellow. Reading the play makes people go insane, so the stories are about characters that have read the play. The play is set up in two acts, the first is totally normal, but the second is so intense people can't handle it. The King himself doesn't show up in the short stories, but is this sort of godly figure that controls people on earth. I forget the line but I believe MM said something about the angels following the leader.
I forget when It popped up but the name Carcosa came up at some point, too, that's related to The King in Yellow. That's where he ruled/was exiled.
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I forget when It popped up but the name Carcosa came up at some point, too, that's related to The King in Yellow. That's where he ruled/was exiled.
It was written in her journal.
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just watched the 2nd episode. I'm hooked on this show. I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a new series so much. probably GOT.
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They're really ramping up the badassery of MM's character. Last week he slapped Steve the drunk and this week well getting the Hillbilly Bunny Ranch info and subtly telling/showing WH he can easily break both his wrists. I can't wait to see what mayhem is in store for next week.
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They're really ramping up the badassery of MM's character. Last week he slapped Steve the drunk and this week well getting the Hillbilly Bunny Ranch info and subtly telling/showing WH he can easily break both his wrists. I can't wait to see what mayhem is in store for next week.
That was great.
MM talking about what he did as an undercover was just awesome.
"...I was rippin' off couriers or endin' up in a Ramada Inn with a couple of eight balls. Oh yeah."
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FYI no new episode on Super Bowl Sunday.
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http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/true-detective-creator-nic-pizzolatto-signs-new-overall-deal-with-hbo-paving-way-for-season-2-of-breakout-drama/
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Awesome news
Fukunaga will most likely move on. He's remaking Stephen King's It soon, and it will hopefully be incredible.
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Awesome news
Fukunaga will most likely move on. He's remaking Stephen King's It soon, and it will hopefully be incredible.
Nightmares forever.
Seriously, even though it was a TV movie nothing terrified me more than Tim Curry's Pennywise as a kid.
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Nightmares forever.
Seriously, even though it was a TV movie nothing terrified me more than Tim Curry's Pennywise as a kid.
I freaking hate clowns.
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I freaking hate clowns.
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Nightmares forever.
Seriously, even though it was a TV movie nothing terrified me more than Tim Curry's Pennywise as a kid.
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"Fuckin' kids..."
Caught up on the first two episodes, eagerly awaiting the third. Matthew McConaughey is on acting steroids, it's obvious. Granted, I never watched Failure to Launch, Lose a Guy in 10 Dates or Ghosts of Girlfriends Past, but all of a sudden he's knocking every pitch out of the park?
Juicin. Mos def.
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Steroids.
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Actroids.
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The last minutes...creepy as hell
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I'm not sure how I feel about Rust's philosophizing thus far. Sometimes it's very compelling, other times it feels a little tedious and distracting, like the character is just a mouthpiece for the writer to pontificate through. I think I'd feel a little better about it if Martin's "anti-nihilist" philosophies weren't written to be so full of holes (the failing family life, the infidelity, etc.)
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I'm not sure how I feel about Rust's philosophizing thus far. Sometimes it's very compelling, other times it feels a little tedious and distracting, like the character is just a mouthpiece for the writer to pontificate through. I think I'd feel a little better about it if Martin's "anti-nihilist" philosophies weren't written to be so full of holes (the failing family life, the infidelity, etc.)
I'm loving everything about this show. The monologues by Cohle carry the show for me. This is the best performance on HBO since Ian McShane played Al Swearengen.
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"Fuckin' kids..."
Caught up on the first two episodes, eagerly awaiting the third. Matthew McConaughey is on acting steroids, it's obvious. Granted, I never watched Failure to Launch, Lose a Guy in 10 Dates or Ghosts of Girlfriends Past, but all of a sudden he's knocking every pitch out of the park?
Juicin. Mos def.
watch his scenes in season 2 eastbound and down if you haven't already
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"Just for... a little bit?"
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So I guess I was wrong about Hart's daughter. Definitely playing gang rape with her dolls.
Anyone else think they'll regret not looking inside the high school?
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I'm not sure how I feel about Rust's philosophizing thus far. Sometimes it's very compelling, other times it feels a little tedious and distracting, like the character is just a mouthpiece for the writer to pontificate through. I think I'd feel a little better about it if Martin's "anti-nihilist" philosophies weren't written to be so full of holes (the failing family life, the infidelity, etc.)
In regards to the writer, I was thinking the same thing. The words are compelling but he sure as excrement sounded like the preacher in the tent only he was preaching the opposite.
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Anyone else think they'll regret not looking inside the high school?
Something is there. Tuttle is now connected to the tent revival preacher and the "drowning" murder that they were looking into this episode.
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In regards to the writer, I was thinking the same thing. The words are compelling but he sure as excrement sounded like the preacher in the tent only he was preaching the opposite.
I'm not sure if Cohle believes a lot of what he's saying.
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Cohle using religion to manipulate that kid was awesome.
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I'm not sure how I feel about Rust's philosophizing thus far. Sometimes it's very compelling, other times it feels a little tedious and distracting, like the character is just a mouthpiece for the writer to pontificate through. I think I'd feel a little better about it if Martin's "anti-nihilist" philosophies weren't written to be so full of holes (the failing family life, the infidelity, etc.)
Rust's philosophizing is never well received though. Hart is constantly telling him to STFU, the two detectives even need to step out of the room when he crosses that line with them. While much of the audience will agree with his views, I don't see it as clear cut pontificating from the writer.
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I'm not sure if Cohle believes a lot of what he's saying.
If he doesn't (actually hold such nihilistic views), that would kind of weaken his character for me. It changes it from "this is who Rust is" to "this is what's wrong with Rust."
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There's a lot wrong with Rust.
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Reactions on Twitter: "OMG why does he have a gas mask on?!"
The dude is a freaking meth dealer.
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Rust's philosophizing is never well received though. Hart is constantly telling him to STFU, the two detectives even need to step out of the room when he crosses that line with them. While much of the audience will agree with his views, I don't see it as clear cut pontificating from the writer.
Sure, his sermons aren't well-received by the characters, but those characters are written to be either hypocrites (Hart) or incompetent (the other detectives.) But to the audience, who see that Rust is possibly the most moral character on the show, he's preaching to the choir.
So far, the only strong opposition to Rust's nihilism seems to be Maggie- Maggie is the embodiment of the "family/community values" that Hart only preaches. I think that's why Rust is attracted to her- he can see right through Hart's bullshit, but Maggie is the real deal, the wholesome ying to his jaded yang.
I watched the episode again, and there was a scene that caught my attention that I missed the first time, a subtle one, one that made me think that maybe the writer isn't invested in Rust's nihilism. When the detectives leave the church tent, they get stuck in the mud. The "redneck idiots" all band together to push the car free. I thought that was a very deliberate scene.
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I assume the guy at the end is Reggie Ledoux. There's a devil catcher in the last shot and he looks right at it, then looks back before the frame freezes.
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The brother of the main writer of the show posts on a poker forum I frequent. He claims that his brother normally talks very similar to how the show is written.
BTW there are many people verified the claim, it's his brother. He has no inside info so he says.
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He claims that his brother normally talks very similar to how the show is written.
He's probably unbearable at times.
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The Brother's name is Nath.
Originally Posted by Dudd View Post
The writer is 2p2 poster nath's brother fwiw
Originally Posted by kioshk View Post
I didn't even know this was Nath's brother's show until this morning, that's awesome.
I am glad people are by and large enjoying the show. I popped in because I heard complaints about the thread and wanted to see why. nunnehi, I think deadmau5 makes some good points. Some of your analysis is good, but some of it descends into nittery regarding whether your interpretations should be seen as absolute fact by others.
I have absolutely no inside information on what will happen with the show, so don't ask, and also don't worry that any participation from me ITT may spoil it. I do have the occasional tidbits to offer about Southwest Louisiana, and the creator, such as:
Originally Posted by SEABEAST View Post...nice link dudd, enjoyed everything pizzolatto had to say in that piece
“My brain is a little bit like the sound a cigarette makes when going into a wet ashtray,” he said, tossing out a line evocative of his hard-boiled fiction.
That's not an artifice for the interview. Nic actually does talk like that.
Also, not a tidbit, but I quite enjoyed his description of the plot as queso.
Read at your own will.............
Originally Posted by Str82thenuts (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/images/buttons/2p2/viewpost.gif) (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/159/ootv/true-detective-more-hbo-awesomeness-1400864/index5.html#post41922166) Those are great points. For me, Hart is a disturbed person just not in the way Rust is. He has major character flaws but that doesn't mean he's the killer or even a bad detective.As always, 100% speculation on my part:
I agree with the bolded. Regarding whether he is the killer, I think what we are seeing are portraits of two men with serious character flaws and broken in some way, and the two ways they each deal with that-- one more concerned about preserving his public face, the other more concerned about preserving what's left of his soul. And that dynamic is more interesting to me than the murder investigation itself.
At this point I'd put it like "WH is more likely to have ever committed a murder, but MM is more likely to be a serial killer." I think A is significantly more likely than B, though-- I think B is so unlikely as to be not worth thinking about.
If either detective is involved in either murder at all, I think it would be something like "WH commits the 2012 murder in a fit of rage; arranges it like the 1995 killing to pin it on MM". Second would be "MM commits the 2012 murder and arranges it like the 1995 killing to reopen the investigation and find the true killer", but I don't think that's likely as MM seems to have given up on life in a way that precludes that kind of grand ****-stirring gesture. I don't think the actual whodunit for the 1995 case is nearly as important as the 2012 one, in terms of the show's themes. And I definitely don't think either of the detectives committed the 1995 murder.
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Sure, his sermons aren't well-received by the characters, but those characters are written to be either hypocrites (Hart) or incompetent (the other detectives.) But to the audience, who see that Rust is possibly the most moral character on the show, he's preaching to the choir.
So far, the only strong opposition to Rust's nihilism seems to be Maggie- Maggie is the embodiment of the "family/community values" that Hart only preaches. I think that's why Rust is attracted to her- he can see right through Hart's bullshit, but Maggie is the real deal, the wholesome ying to his jaded yang.
I watched the episode again, and there was a scene that caught my attention that I missed the first time, a subtle one, one that made me think that maybe the writer isn't invested in Rust's nihilism. When the detectives leave the church tent, they get stuck in the mud. The "redneck idiots" all band together to push the car free. I thought that was a very deliberate scene.
There's a lot wrong with Rust.
Rust is a broken, miserable shell of a man who seems incapable of relating to anybody and suffers from mental problems. If the writer intended to lecture the audience, he could have picked a better vessel for it.
Rust could be a twisted version of a Mary Sue. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue)
TvTropes has this to say:
Straw Nihilist (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrawNihilist): Cohle spends a lot of time talking about how humanity is evil and life is pointless. Hart lampshades how annoying his nihilist rants are.
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So I guess I was wrong about Hart's daughter. Definitely playing gang rape with her dolls.
Anyone else think they'll regret not looking inside the high school?
the part with his daughters diary/journal was so freaking weird. I honestly did not know what to think both in the context of real life and for the context of te show.
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the part with his daughters diary/journal was so freaking weird. I honestly did not know what to think both in the context of real life and for the context of te show.
For young girls to have drawn that stuff like out and then make the gang rape seen it only means they have seen that stuff, right? I can't imagine they just guessed that stuff. Like you I don't know where they're going with that, maybe one of the daughters was abused and that's a pretext for a big fight between Maggie and Hart and or something larger that makes Maggie run to Cohle. It seems she's predisposed to him at this point, kind of a yin/yang thing with those two.
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I don't think Maggie and Rust will get together - I think they just understand each other and have a connection.
He already said previously that Maggie sets him up with a woman that he almost marries (Laurie).
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The fat guy on the lawnmower is George Remus from Boardwalk Empire.
Just like I thought with Charlie Lange, I think we'll see him again.
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The fat guy on the lawnmower is George Remus from Boardwalk Empire.
Just like I thought with Charlie Lange, I think we'll see him again.
The tent preacher was Nucky's brother.
BTW I don't think they will hook up necessarily but it sure does look like Maggie and Rust become friendly. They are 2 opposite ends of the spectrum and probably enjoy being around one another.
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The tent preacher was Nucky's brother.
Wow, did you also know that Hart was Woody on Cheers OMG!
Mind = blown
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The tent preacher was Nucky's brother.
Shea Whigham is awesome. It'd be pretty interesting if that's the last we see of him. The trailers made it seem like he'd be some sort of villain, and he was actually really cooperative with them.
I thought Cohle was going to mess with him.
BTW I don't think they will hook up necessarily but it sure does look like Maggie and Rust become friendly. They are 2 opposite ends of the spectrum and probably enjoy being around one another.
I got you.
He's been open with her from the start and that's something she doesn't get from her husband.
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Wow, did you also know that Hart was Woody on Cheers OMG!
Mind = blown
say man, you got a joint?
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Wow, did you also know that Hart was Woody on Cheers OMG!
Mind = blown
Hey Badger next time I am in the city, 2 weeks, I will get you a nice big glass of go freak yourself.
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Michelle Monaghan NSFW
http://imgur.com/a/s4WWU
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I'm really trying to give the show a chance in hopes of a payoff....but I haven't really found it.
People talk about The Wire having been a slow burn type show but I never really saw it that way.
This is a real slow show. Great acting but it has trouble sustaining my attention.
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Can you see Texas up there on your high horse?
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Possible speculative spoilers?
http://i.imgur.com/Ee1Ea43.jpg
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Possible speculative spoilers?
http://i.imgur.com/Ee1Ea43.jpg
Do he have burns on his face?
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(http://oi41.tinypic.com/2rwrw35.jpg)
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Do he have burns on his face?
Can't find a good enough screen shot.
But it fits really well... especially the green ears.
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Can't find a good enough screen shot.
But it fits really well... especially the green ears.
Yeah, I could definitely see a maintenance guy wearing green ear muffs.
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(http://i.imgur.com/ZUbHlHt.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/JpJfrhU.png)
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Interesting interview with the show runner: I didn't find it spoilery at all but that's just me.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/02/02/writer-nic-pizzolatto-on-thomas-ligotti-and-the-weird-secrets-of-true-detective/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/02/02/writer-nic-pizzolatto-on-thomas-ligotti-and-the-weird-secrets-of-true-detective/)
I’ve put off going into the philosophy Cohle espouses in the early episodes because I don’t want people making assumptions about the character of Cohle, or the ultimate aim of this season. The totality of Cohle’s character and the show’s agenda won’t be clear until the eighth episode has ended.
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Interesting interview with the show runner: I didn't find it spoilery at all but that's just me.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/02/02/writer-nic-pizzolatto-on-thomas-ligotti-and-the-weird-secrets-of-true-detective/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/02/02/writer-nic-pizzolatto-on-thomas-ligotti-and-the-weird-secrets-of-true-detective/)
I don't see any spoilers either.
The next episode is going to be incredible. I'm not sure if we'll see flashbacks of Cohle's time undercover or if they've infiltrated some kind of white supremacist group in 1995.
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Might be a spoiler:
I saw a spoilery pic of the dude in the mask in handcuffs, he looked alive, I am not sure what happens in the interim.
I can't begin to speculate where the show is leading other than to say that the show is about WH and MM and not a serial killer.
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http://truedetectiveconversations.tumblr.com/
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2356777/board/thread/225624328
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Wow.
That was the most impressive long take I've ever seen on a TV show.
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With all the dick swagger you roll, you can't spot crazy hoo-ha?
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I love this
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With all the dick swagger you roll, you can't spot crazy hoo-ha?
You are the Michael Jordan of being a son of a bitch.
What a great episode. I guess the obvious question though is what the hell happened in the woods at the end of episode 3? Are they going to leave us hanging?
Apparently Nic Pizzolatto was the bartender at the strip club.
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What a great episode. I guess the obvious question though is what the hell happened in the woods at the end of episode 3? Are they going to leave us hanging?
They'll get Ledoux. They have Ginger with them now, and he'll lead them to him.
I have absolutely no idea how Cohle functioned during that stash house raid. He was drunk and high on coke, meth, and weed.
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They'll get Ledoux. They have Ginger with them now, and he'll lead them to him.
I just realized I completely misunderstood the end of episode three. I thought they rolled up on Ledoux already at that point in the story. I didn't realize that was a tease of what's to come.
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I just realized I completely misunderstood the end of episode three. I thought they rolled up on Ledoux already at that point in the story. I didn't realize that was a tease of what's to come.
excrement is about to go down out there...especially after the stuff that Lange told them about the cult and the child sacrifices that Reggie told him about.
We still haven't seen the gunfight that Cohle and Hart keep mentioning. The "hero excrement" should be great.
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Great soundtrack tonight too.
Lucinda Williams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_feVkFK95g
Melvins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oolwsWexSzQ
Primus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1F_88UksxA
Sleep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nkun78T1y4
Wu-Tang http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwP8sr7hTQw
Grinderman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PkJ8LePdrc
http://www.hbo.com/true-detective#/true-detective/episodes/1/04-who-goes-there/music.html
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I have absolutely no idea how Cohle functioned during that stash house raid. He was drunk and high on coke, meth, and weed.
That's the magic of cocaine.
I still can't get over that scene.
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The dude that plays Charlie Lange has done such a great job in a small role.
If they decide to use some of the same actors again in the next story, I hope he returns.
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True Detective just had one of the greatest scenes of all time (of all time)
That's a giant exaggeration
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That's a giant exaggeration
No, it's not. I'm one of many people that think so. You're in the minority here.
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I love True Detective but that scene was nowhere near the greatest scenes of all time.
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I love True Detective but that scene was nowhere near the greatest scenes of all time.
Look further into how it was shot and you'll be more impressed.
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Depends how many greatest scenes you list. 5? 10? 25? 50? It was certainly up there for me, but I don't exactly have a mental rolodex of awesome TV scenes.
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Depends how many greatest scenes you list. 5? 10? 25? 50? It was certainly up there for me, but I don't exactly have a mental rolodex of awesome TV scenes.
It is one of the best TV scenes ever - it's up there with the end of Half Measures and Blackwater.
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I like to break it down by decade, and it's definitely a top 5 scene of the 2010s for me.
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Look further into how it was shot and you'll be more impressed.
I am not saying it was bad or I didn't like it. I am saying what led to that scene mostly didn't work for me. I think it was superbly shot, acted etc. It wasn't the greatest though.
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I am saying what led to that scene mostly didn't work for me.
The buildup was great. He's doing a bunch of drugs with a couple of guys that think he's a junkie. How did that not work?
A lot of people are questioning the police officer disguises. They did that for two reasons:
1. Easier entry into the stash house
2. If excrement went down, everyone in those projects would shoot at anything that looked like a cop.
Their appearances didn't fit the disguise, but it was the perfect cover when it was all said and done.
One of the greatest. Not the greatest.
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I'll be moving this back to the TD thread shortly,
I don't think we need to believe it was a good plan, it just had to be believable as the kind of plan a bunch of cranked up bikers would concoct.
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I'll be moving this back to the TD thread shortly,
I don't think we need to believe it was a good plan, it just had to be believable as the kind of plan a bunch of cranked up bikers would concoct.
You could tell that Cohle knew it was a shaky plan, and the first thing he did (in both houses they broke into) was find innocent bystanders and get them to cover. Nihilist...nope.
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Meh going into the biker bar was the best way to kidnap Ginger? Really? It was pretty far out of the real of believability for me. If a show is going to take itself so seriously to the point of having very little humor in it, I would like said show to be a bit more believable. I didn't think the buildup nor the scene in particular was. It didn't ruin the show in the slightest but it also made the scene very entertaining vs fanboi "OMG it was so amazing I never seen anything like it" reactions.
WH walking out of said bar alive was also a little ridiculous. He would have been beaten to a pulp.
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Meh going into the biker bar was the best way to kidnap Ginger? Really? It was pretty far out of the real of believability for me.
He wasn't going to kidnap him. excrement hit the fan.
How else were they going to get to him? I really want to know your opinion on this now.
Cohle had to infiltrate the biker again to get Reggie Ledoux's location. You're not going to track Ginger down and arrest him to get that information. He isn't going to rat out of his gang's drug source to the police. That's not how it works.
It made plenty of sense. It's why Cohle made up the bullshit story about his dad dying. If the police found out about Ginger and the Iron Crusaders working with Ledoux, their case could be compromised.
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I don't think kidnapping him was Plan A.
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I don't think kidnapping him was Plan A.
It definitely wasn't.
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It sure as hell was, watch the show again. The plan was to snatch him and beat the whereabouts of Ledoux out of him.
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It sure as hell was, watch the show again. The plan was to snatch him and beat the whereabouts of Ledoux out of him.
No, it wasn't. He did that robbery with them to get back in with that crew. Trading favors.
It was going to be a long con, but when the stash house robbery went bad, things changed.
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If Rust wanted to just grab Ginger and beat info out of him then he wouldn't have been trying to make the raid go smoothly.
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No, it wasn't. He did that robbery with them to get back in with that crew. Trading favors.
It was going to be a long con, but when the stash house robbery went bad, things changed.
Yeah it was, what do you think work him over to get Ledoux means? Blow him in the biker bar?
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Think about it...
Why would Cohle go through all the trouble of giving himself fake track marks and stealing cocaine from the evidence locker if they were just going to kidnap him?
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If Rust wanted to just grab Ginger and beat info out of him then he wouldn't have been trying to make the raid go smoothly.
He wouldn't have stuck himself with a needle filled with ink and cayenne pepper a bunch of times either.
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I don't have time for this today:
OMG it was the best scene ever I loved it, it was so believable, I want Nick Polazzo to sit on my face.
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I don't have time for this today:
OMG it was the best scene ever I loved it, it was so believable, I want Nick Polazzo to sit on my face.
You're wrong and you're getting mad about it.
Classic Puck.
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"Alan Sepinwall said that it wasn't believable!"
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Think about it...
Why would Cohle go through all the trouble of giving himself fake track marks and stealing cocaine from the evidence locker if they were just going to kidnap him?
If his story wasn't believable do you think he will go with him outside the biker bar? Do you think he would survive that meeting?
Rust: Hey Ginger, I have been away for 3 years, lets take a ride and talk about life on the road and my Nihilistic philosophy. Don't worry this is my friend Martin, is it ok if he sits in the back seat? While we are on the way please point out the meth lab Ledoux runs.
Ginger: Sure thing Crash, I love you.
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"Alan Sepinwall said that it wasn't believable!"
Didn't read him
You're one to talk " OMG this is the greatest I love it, Everyone else must love it too."
You're opinion aint the be all end all and it aint changing mine.
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You're one to talk " OMG this is the greatest I love it, Everyone else must love it too."
I don't give a excrement if you don't like it. I'm bothered by the fact that you completely misinterpreted what was going on and it skewed your view of that scene.
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If his story wasn't believable do you think he will go with him outside the biker bar? Do you think he would survive that meeting?
Rust: Hey Ginger, I have been away for 3 years, lets take a ride and talk about life on the road and my Nihilistic philosophy. Don't worry this is my friend Martin, is it ok if he sits in the back seat? While we are on the way please point out the meth lab Ledoux runs.
Ginger: Sure thing Crash, I love you.
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/uploads/ats23991_point.GIF)
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I don't give a excrement if you don't like it. I'm bothered by the fact that you completely misinterpreted what was going on and it skewed your view of that scene.
Well if you're not bothered by my perfect understanding of the scene then I am not bothered by the fact you have your opinion and everyone else must adhere to it.
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Why did Hart marry Maggie and then cheat on her until she left him? Not believable.
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Well if you're not bothered by my perfect understanding of the scene then I am not bothered by the fact you have your opinion and everyone else must adhere to it.
Not many people post on JO. There's three people this thread that have a similar opinion about that scene.
It is being talked about all of the internet. It was a great moment in television.
You've seemed to overlook a lot of what led up to that scene.
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Why did Hart marry Maggie and then cheat on her until she left him? Not believable.
I'm going to skull freak you, you bitch
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Not many people post on JO. There's three people this thread that have a similar opinion about that scene.
It is being talked about all of the internet. It was a great moment in television.
You've seemed to overlook a lot of what led up to that scene.
I can find a zillion people with my opinion as well, yippee.
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Why did Hart marry Maggie and then cheat on her until she left him? Not believable.
Ah yes lets bring in a red herring because I am DCM. amirite
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I can find a zillion people with my opinion as well, yippee.
And one of them is JFIF.
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Ah yes lets bring in a red herring because I am DCM. amirite
Then what was this?
Rust: Hey Ginger, I have been away for 3 years, lets take a ride and talk about life on the road and my Nihilistic philosophy. Don't worry this is my friend Martin, is it ok if he sits in the back seat? While we are on the way please point out the meth lab Ledoux runs.
Ginger: Sure thing Crash, I love you.
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And one of them is JFIF.
There's a difference between not showering praise on the episode (which is fine) and not understanding what was happening.
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There's a difference between not showering praise on the episode (which is fine) and not understanding what was happening.
I understood it just fine. I thought it was ridiculous but I guess I have to like everything hook line and sinker.
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Then what was this?
Did it have anything to do with his freaking wife and cheating? Did it? was it saying anything about the other plot points of the show?
Dan freak yourself. thanks
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You didn't answer my earlier question, why was Rust trying to make the raid go smoothly if he was just going to kidnap Ginger all along?
Again, it doesn't bother me if you didn't love the scene so you can drop that.
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Memory decay likely begins when you start watching shows on the CW
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There's an entire goddamn scene where Cohle tells Hart his plan to take a few weeks to infiltrate the Iron Crusaders.
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that was a freaking amazing episode. a little too slow though.
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Why did Hart marry Maggie and then cheat on her until she left him? Not believable.
did you see that other chicks titties?
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did you see that other chicks titties?
whoa...hey.
titties?
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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1722001/true-detective-long-take.jhtml
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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1722001/true-detective-long-take.jhtml
I was right about to link that very article.
I had read some other reviews that suggested the shot was edited together, which was kind of disappointing. Nope- real deal long take:
All told, the sequence clocks in at around six minutes. Fukunaga and the crew ran through the whole thing seven times while the cameras were rolling. The director built in possible edit points if two takes had to be combined to make the perfect version of the shot, but anyone who is wondering should know that the sequence everyone saw in the episode is, in fact, a true single take and one of the great achievements of filmmaking for television.
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For you two fuckfaces, Badgercunt and Heymancunt this is the exact word for word conversation Cohle had with Hart, prior to entering the bar, at the 34 minute mark, right after MM and Maggie had their meeting at the diner:
"People have been seeing me around for about a week. Guy I used to run with, wants to meet me tonight. Now, if I can get him alone, we can snatch him up, work him over and maybe get to Ledoux."
My wife just came home from the hospital last night so I had a lot excrement going on while I was watching, and I did not see the conversation Cohle had with Hart while he was shining his guns. That was the crux of both of your arguments.
So we were both right, but freak you two bitches anyway because if it was reversed the freak if either of you would admit it. So in conclusion, I was correct and I was wrong.
That said that scene still wasn't the, "omg that was so good I am going to masturbate to the True Detective theme song while I pretend MM is eating my poopchute." That Heismanburg and Badger thinks it is.
Oh and both of you can freak yourselves.
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Oh and Sepinwall loved the episode fuckface.
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For you two fuckfaces, Badgercunt and Heymancunt this is the exact word for word conversation Cohle had with Hart, prior to entering the bar, at the 34 minute mark, right after MM and Maggie had their meeting at the diner:
"People have been seeing me around for about a week. Guy I used to run with, wants to meet me tonight. Now, if I can get him alone, we can snatch him up, work him over and maybe get to Ledoux."
My wife just came home from the hospital last night so I had a lot excrement going on while I was watching, and I did not see the conversation Cohle had with Hart while he was shining his guns. That was the crux of both of your arguments.
So we were both right, but freak you two bitches anyway because if it was reversed the freak if either of you would admit it. So in conclusion, I was correct and I was wrong.
That said that scene still wasn't the, "omg that was so good I am going to masturbate to the True Detective theme song while I pretend MM is eating my poopchute." That Heismanburg and Badger thinks it is.
Oh and both of you can freak yourselves.
You are wrong.
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None of that is unrealistic at all. Kindly GTFO.
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You are wrong.
Hey junc
I must respond/
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Memory decay likely begins when you start watching esquire
Totally agree
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Totally agree
lmaoooo
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Hey junc
I must respond/
(http://i.imgur.com/wWfj9vr.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/wWfj9vr.jpg)
I accept your apology.
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From Cohle's Texas file:
(http://i.imgur.com/m2L2sIx.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/YYidWFE.gif)
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From Cohle's Texas file:
(http://i.imgur.com/m2L2sIx.jpg)
Do you think Tom White is the guy that ran over his little girl?
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The thought crossed my mind.
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The thought crossed my mind.
Oh maaaaaaan...
You know what I just thought about? You know the clips of Cohle near a hospital with blood in his face? I was thinking those scenes were going to be in 2002 leading up the fallout between Cohle and Hart.
But now I think we might see a flashback of what happens to his little girl. The feels...
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With all the dick swagger you roll, you can't spot crazy hoo-ha?
My FAVORITE quote. I wish someone had said this excrement to me JUST LIKE THIS in my younger days!
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No, it wasn't. He did that robbery with them to get back in with that crew. Trading favors.
It was going to be a long con, but when the stash house robbery went bad, things changed.
(I know I'm all late and this was probably already resolved)
Plus, didn't Cohle say as he was throwing him into the car something like "I should have just done this from the start" or something like that? That made me believe kidnapping him was NOT plan A.
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(I know I'm all late and this was probably already resolved)
Plus, didn't Cohle say as he was throwing him into the car something like "I should have just done this from the start" or something like that? That made me believe kidnapping him was NOT plan A.
Not to unresolve it but the writer of the show confirmed my interpretation, that the plan was to kidnap Ginger. Hey what can I say? I was wrong? amirite?
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Not to unresolve it but the writer of the show confirmed my interpretation, that the plan was to kidnap Ginger. Hey what can I say? I was wrong? amirite?
Selective listening
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Selective listening
I know I totally misinterpreted this:
"People have been seeing me around for about a week. Guy I used to run with, wants to meet me tonight. Now, if I can get him alone, we can snatch him up, work him over and maybe get to Ledoux."
It's da greatest scene ever, better than Omar and Brandon nude eating Cheerios in The Wire
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Abducting him in the middle of the raid was 100% not the plan.
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Abducting him in the middle of the raid was 100% not the plan.
The raid wasn't part of the plan period until he was forced to go on it, to keep his cover, so it's a non event.
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Meh going into the biker bar was the best way to kidnap Ginger? Really? It was pretty far out of the real of believability for me.
^^^
Obviously that wasn't the best way to kidnap him. He didn't have a choice. You're setting up a straw man and knocking it down.
As far as meeting him at the biker bar, where else would Ginger have agreed to meet? He was pretty suspicious of Crash resurfacing, he wasn't going to meet him anywhere isolated.
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^^^
Obviously that wasn't the best way to kidnap him. He didn't have a choice. You're setting up a straw man and knocking it down.
As far as meeting him at the biker bar, where else would Ginger have agreed to meet? He was pretty suspicious of Crash resurfacing, he wasn't going to meet him anywhere isolated.
Oh I don't know they could have surveiled him and then snatched him? I didn't set up the straw man.
They didn't have to risk their lives like that, UC and on a stupid derriere raid, it was stupid both conceptually and the way it was conducted. The reason for the raid was to show MM wanted to do it the UC way so he can get back to that part of his life in some small measure. It was a plot device that I didn't particularly like. But the scene was the greatest I have ever seen.
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"They didn't do what I would have done, so it's stupid"
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"You don't hold my opinion therefore you're stupid."
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Your opinion was fine, your reasoning behind it was weak.
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He doesn't think the backstory to the greatest scene ever wasn't the greatest backstory ever, he's an idiot.
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He doesn't think the backstory to the greatest scene ever wasn't the greatest backstory ever, he's an idiot.
Correct
Name a shot in a TV series that's more impressive than what Fukunaga did on Sunday night.
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Correct
Name a shot in a TV series that's more impressive than what Fukunaga did on Sunday night.
Green Arrow doing pull-ups in his loft apartment.
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Correct
Name a shot in a TV series that's more impressive than what Fukunaga did on Sunday night.
Breaking Bad, Rome, right off the top of my head.
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Green Arrow doing pull-ups in his loft apartment.
Friday Night Tykes, the coach yelling at the kids.
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Battle of Blackwater in Game of Thrones.
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Battle of Blackwater in Game of Thrones.
I already freaking said that Half Measures and Blackwater are on the same level as this stash house scene.
The shot that Fukunaga used (the long take) is revelatory for television. It just hasn't been done.
Children of Men had some long takes like this, and that's a movie with a much larger budget.
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I already freaking said that Half Measures and Blackwater are on the same level as this stash house scene.
The shot that Fukunaga used (the long take) is revelatory for television. It just hasn't been done.
Children of Men had some long takes like this, and that's a movie with a much larger budget.
I don't give 3 shits about what you "already freaking said", you asked me for my freaking opinion.
Half measures wasn't even the scene I was thinking of with regard to BB so there's that.
The way the story is being told is revelatory for tv not some jittery derriere shot that's omg the greatest scene ever.
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The way the story is being told is revelatory for tv not some jittery derriere shot that's omg the greatest scene ever.
Epitome of dense
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He doesn't agree with me, he is dense and stupid.
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He doesn't agree with me, he is dense and stupid.
That isn't what I'm saying. The way the scene was shot is why people think that it's great, and you refuse to admit that it was impressive...which is complete bullshit. Just because you don't like the show as much as some of us doesn't mean you have to act like certain aspects aren't great.
Whether you like it or not, this show is doing a lot for TV.
You haven't seen anything like that on TV, I guarantee it.
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That isn't what I'm saying. The way the scene was shot is why people think that it's great, and you refuse to admit that it was impressive...which is complete bullshit. Just because you don't like the show as much as some of us doesn't mean you have to act like certain aspects aren't great.
Whether you like it or not, this show is doing a lot for TV.
You haven't seen anything like that on TV, I guarantee it.
You guys equate me not totally loving an aspect and leadup to a scene in the show to somehow not liking it and/or thinking it's great and compelling tv. God forbid I had the gall to voice a criticism to the sacred cow. Holy excrement the world is going to end.
Up until this point and even past it, I think it's mostly great storytelling, told in a way that I haven't seen before, albeit it a little too preachy in spots. In addition it has been wonderfully acted and by and large directed and shot great.
Jesus Christ, does any sort of debate around here have to be stomped out by a freaking jackboot and/or qualified so people won't get their panties twisted if you don't agree?
Again, I don't think it was an all that groundbreaking scene, was it good? Yes.
I am growing tired debating something I didn't find the greatest yet still liked. I am not changing my opinion and frankly you can tell me how I don't understand and how much smarter you and Dan are than me as you have both tried about 100 times here. The funny thing is neither is true at all. I am not taking a contra approach like DCM for the hell of it, so freak off.
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You're the one that turned it into "Puck vs. the world". I just disagreed that the circumstances weren't believable, which was your main criticism. Never asked you to praise it.
Putting that much effort into arguing "it was good, not great" makes no sense to me.
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You guys equate me not totally loving an aspect and leadup to a scene in the show to somehow not liking it and/or thinking it's great and compelling tv. God forbid I had the gall to voice a criticism to the sacred cow. Holy excrement the world is going to end.
Up until this point and even past it, I think it's mostly great storytelling, told in a way that I haven't seen before, albeit it a little too preachy in spots. In addition it has been wonderfully acted and by and large directed and shot great.
Jesus Christ, does any sort of debate around here have to be stomped out by a freaking jackboot and/or qualified so people won't get their panties twisted if you don't agree?
Again, I don't think it was an all that groundbreaking scene, was it good? Yes.
I am growing tired debating something I didn't find the greatest yet still liked. I am not changing my opinion and frankly you can tell me how I don't understand and how much smarter you and Dan are than me as you have both tried about 100 times here. The funny thing is neither is true at all. I am not taking a contra approach like DCM for the hell of it, so freak off.
I will food debate you until the day one of us dies. lol
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I will food debate you until the day one of us dies. lol
Well at least you have a sense of humor about that, not like here.
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You're the one that turned it into "Puck vs. the world". I just disagreed that the circumstances weren't believable, which was your main criticism. Never asked you to praise it.
That's bullshit and you know it. I didn't think the scene was the greatest. That got your dander up and resulted in a why I thought that question. I said because the plan to snatch Ginger kind of didn't work for me. You guys disagreed, fine, but I was made out to be a freaking drooling moron by you both for not understanding the show. That's how it became me vs the world.
The scene I transcribed, word for word, was the only scene I had watched on the subject up until that point because I couldn't devote my full attention to the show. That scene was different from the scene both of you guys were working off of and I hadn't seen. So the freak what? Well both scenes conveyed radically different plans.
If you guys understood the show so freaking well you would have at least acknowledged the scene but then that wouldn't have fit the agenda to make me into an idiot. I at least researched and admitted how the Ginger kidnapping, or not depending on your opinion, could be taken both ways.
There we are all done now.
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There we are all done now.
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This is a quality progrim.
Does anyone read Preston and Child's Pendergast novels?
If they ever adapt that character to a movie, I think mcconaughey's character on this show would be a lot like I read -- minus the drug and alcoholism.
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So good
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A+, very realistic, not slow at all, would recommend to others.
- Miamipuck
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Billy Ray Tuttle being dead in the present changes my theory. I do think he was involved though.
Lawnmower guy is bad.
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Billy Ray Tuttle being dead in the present changes my theory. I do think he was involved though.
Lawnmower guy is bad.
what was the building he was at? I was trying to remember what lawnmower guy said
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I think it came up in here earlier, but NP confirmed that Cohle's drinking during the interview made anything he said inadmissible.
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I think it came up in here earlier, but NP confirmed that Cohle's drinking during the interview made anything he said inadmissible.
Genius
Now I'm wondering if he even drinks in the present
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Genius
Now I'm wondering if he even drinks in the present
I don't know about that, he seemed relatively sober when he walked out. Pretty good tolerance for a non-drinker.
Edit: NP also said he's a functioning alcoholic.
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So it definitely looks like Cohle is still working the case (unofficially) in 2012. Could the storage unit be where he's keeping evidence?
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Edit: NP also said he's a functioning alcoholic.
That ends that
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Could the storage unit be where he's keeping evidence?
What else could it be for? Unless he's keeping a person in there...
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What else could it be for? Unless he's keeping a person in there...
Possible crossover with Storage Wars?
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Possible crossover with Storage Wars?
"I bought this storage locker for $450 and all it had in it was some weird drawings and a bunch of stupid derriere bird cages made out of sticks"
TOTAL SPENT: $450
TOTAL EARNED: $0
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Great episode, as soon as Hart opened that door I figured what was coming next.
The only thing that would make me not like the show is if Cohle is the killer but I think there zero chance of that.
Oh I invited Hart' s daughter to the tailgate. She will do free hand jobs for a stick of gum.
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It's too damn early in the morning to be reading about eternal recurrence.
brb, having existential crisis
Oh I invited Hart' s daughter to the tailgate. She will do free hand jobs for a stick of gum.
What will she do for a Jon Vilma jersey?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh93mAeKcQo
I am pumped for this. Hopefully it and Justified will fill the Breaking Bad void.
True Detective episode 1 airs Saturday in the UK. Looks like my type of drama, really looking forward to this.
Sadly, I won't be able to participate in this thread for another 3 months depending on how many episodes there are because you guys will spoil the plot for me.
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True Detective episode 1 airs Saturday in the UK. Looks like my type of drama, really looking forward to this.
Sadly, I won't be able to participate in this thread for another 3 months depending on how many episodes there are because you guys will spoil the plot for me.
lol go to a torrent site, they have those on this little invention they call the internet. You're going to have to wait for the dubbed Scottish version.
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10 bucks Cohle was working this case unsanctioned uc for the last few years. It wouldn't surprise me if he infiltrated that Yellow King group.
The above is just pure speculation on my part I have not read one shred on the episode as of yet.
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10 bucks Cohle was working this case unsanctioned uc for the last few years. It wouldn't surprise me if he infiltrated that Yellow King group.
The above is just pure speculation on my part I have not read one shred on the episode as of yet.
Not sure if he infiltrated the "big men", but he definitely has the look of someone that would be hanging out with junkies associated with Reggie LeDoux, Guy Francis, and Dewall.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the 2002 fallout between Cohle and Hart. It may be some kind of act by the two of them.
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Not sure if he infiltrated the "big men", but he definitely has the look of someone that would be hanging out with junkies associated with Reggie LeDoux, Guy Francis, and Dewall.
I'm really looking forward to seeing the 2002 fallout between Cohle and Hart. It may be some kind of act by the two of them.
that's a pretty good guess. especially after the way they collaborated about the lie about the raid on LeDoux's house.
My initial guess is that Cohle is convinced the murderer is still out there and Hart doesn't want to revisit/reopen the case.
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My initial guess is that Cohle is convinced the murderer is still out there and Hart doesn't want to revisit/reopen the case.
That's likely.
Did anyone else think something bad was going to happen to one of Hart's daughters during that crown scene?
And I was sort of relieved to see that Aubrey wasn't the new victim.
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Did anyone else think something bad was going to happen to one of Hart's daughters during that crown scene?
And I was sort of relieved to see that Aubrey wasn't the new victim.
yes to both of these.
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yes to both of these.
Everything that Cohle was saying about the circle led me to believe that something bad will happen to one of Hart's daughters.
The mood of this series is perfection.
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interesting stuff from Pizzolatto but i wish he'd chill out with the quantum/meta physics
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/16/true-detective-episode-5-review-the-secret-fate-of-all-life-is-the-best-episode-yet.html
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interesting stuff from Pizzolatto but i wish he'd chill out with the quantum/meta physics
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/16/true-detective-episode-5-review-the-secret-fate-of-all-life-is-the-best-episode-yet.html
This guy is like a Fincher/Lynch hybrid. He's weird as hell, but I think what he's doing for television is genius.
I really hope this story ends in a way that blows minds.
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After reading this, the show makes a lot More sense.
http://io9.com/the-one-literary-reference-you-must-know-to-appreciate-1523076497
The fact that this type of genre hasn't been done on television threw me for a loop and I had different expectations of what the show was supposed to be but when you figure out its sources/inspiration you can watch it in a different light.
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lol go to a torrent site, they have those on this little invention they call the internet.
You're going to have to wait for the dubbed Scottish version.
I don't have enough mice to keep the wheel turning for the sufficient bandwidth I would need in this backwater. You poopchute!
Guys like Heismanberg and Fenwyr don't know me and you are generalizing giving them the impression I sound like Mike Myres in Shrek- I'm more Any Murray than Andy Stewart- ("Donald where's your troosers")fame.
I know I've probably set myself up for another Badger sketch so- double poopchute!
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..... I've never actually read the Call of Cthulhu, i've just known about the entity itself..but doesn't this all sound familiar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Call_of_Cthulhu
The second chapter, The Tale of Inspector Legrasse, discusses the first time the Professor had heard the word "Cthulhu" and seen a similar image. At the 1908 meeting of the American Archaeological Society in St. Louis, Missouri, a New Orleans police official named John Raymond Legrasse asked the assembled antiquarians to identify a statuette composed of an unidentifiable greenish-black stone, that "had been captured some months before in the wooded swamps south of New Orleans during a raid on a supposed voodoo meeting." The idol resembles the Wilcox sculpture, and represented a "...thing, which seemed instinct with a fearsome and unnatural malignancy, was of a somewhat bloated corpulence, and squatted evilly on a rectangular block or pedestal covered with undecipherable characters".
On November 1, 1907, Legrasse had led a party of policemen in search of several women and children who disappeared from a squatter community. The police found the victims' "oddly marred" bodies being used in a ritual that centered around the statuette: almost 100 men – all of a "very low, mixed-blooded, and mentally aberrant type" – were "braying, bellowing, and writhing" and repeatedly chanting the phrase, "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". After killing five of the participants and arresting 47 others, Legrasse interrogated the prisoners and learned "the central idea of their loathsome faith": "They worshipped, so they said, the Great Old Ones who lived ages before there were any men...and...formed a cult which had never died...hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway. Some day he would call, when the stars were ready, and the secret cult would always be waiting to liberate him.[10]
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Has anyone seen Ben Wheatley's Kill List?
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That's likely.
Did anyone else think something bad was going to happen to one of Hart's daughters during that crown scene?
And I was sort of relieved to see that Aubrey wasn't the new victim.
For a moment I thought she was going to break her neck while trying to climb the tree. Then I remembered I wasn't watching Dexter.
(http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/harrison-treadmill1.gif)
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That's likely.
Did anyone else think something bad was going to happen to one of Hart's daughters during that crown scene?
And I was sort of relieved to see that Aubrey wasn't the new victim.
For a moment I thought she was going to break her neck while trying to climb the tree. Then I remembered I wasn't watching Dexter.
That's EXACTLY what I thought was going to happen. Fortunately, she was just captain of the varsity slut team*.
Maggie and Hart totally should have high-fived after that line.
EDIT: *team. Thank you, tags.
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So I wonder if this was connected to her letting two dudes double team her. pretty freaking ominous looking back
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So I wonder if this was connected to her letting two dudes double team her. pretty freaking ominous looking back
Did you notice how Cohle had the beer can men arranged on the table?
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Did you notice how Cohle had the beer can men arranged on the table?
Not exactly. Just that they were in a circle.
however,I did notice that the fontaineau girl's report in the first episode was "made in error" and when Cohle was searching the computer he was combing through a bunch more.
Really makes you wonder if the police are in on it
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There is a parallel between the crown the oldest daughter took and threw into the tree and the antlers. Something isn't right there.
I am going to further guess that Hart is in on the unsanctioned UC by MM. Their fight is probably manufactured unless Cohle fucked Maggie which I kind of doubt.
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The pretend fallout theory is looking pretty strong right now. Makes a lot of sense.
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Not exactly. Just that they were in a circle.
however,I did notice that the fontaineau girl's report in the first episode was "made in error" and when Cohle was searching the computer he was combing through a bunch more.
Really makes you wonder if the police are in on it
(http://i.imgur.com/LirPg6f.jpg)
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The one to the far left almost looks like a cross....the arms are different. It's probably not, but it's just weird that all the other ones have outstretched arms
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Nothing to add to this thread, other than this show is mindblowingly good and the thread tags are awesome.
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Ginger is in hiding, (I stole this):
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(http://i.imgur.com/7tStNG0.jpg)
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BTW I thought that it was said that Ledoux had the spiral thing on his back, there was none present during his takedown.
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BTW I thought that it was said that Ledoux had the spiral thing on his back, there was none present during his takedown.
Can't find the picture now, but it looked like he had it branded between his shoulder blades. Not as prominent as Coples' arm brand though.
Edit: Found it
(http://i.imgur.com/c5jU6tI.jpg)
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https://twitter.com/AADaddario/status/435672641966313472/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/AADaddario/status/435672641966313472/photo/1)
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^ Saw that last night. That's huge.
The "made in error" stuff is too.
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Can't find the picture now, but it looked like he had it branded between his shoulder blades. Not as prominent as Coples' arm brand though.
Edit: Found it
(http://i.imgur.com/c5jU6tI.jpg)
I can't tell from that.
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I can't tell from that.
Worst show ever. Unrealistic.
That's the symbol. I saw it the first time around because I was looking for it.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/16/true-detective-episode-5-review-the-secret-fate-of-all-life-is-the-best-episode-yet.html
And so Professor Cohle begins to hold forth. "It's like, in this universe, we process time linearly," he says. "Forward. But outside of our space-time, from what would be a fourth-dimensional perspective, time wouldn't exist. And from that vantage, could we attain it, we'd see"—he crushes a can of Lone Star between his palms—"our space-time look flattened, like a seamless sculpture. Matter in a super-position—every place it ever occupied. Our sentience just cycling through our lives like carts on a track. See, everything outside our dimension—that's eternity. Eternity looking down on us. Now, to us, it's a sphere. But to them, it's a circle."
Needless to say, Papania and Gilbough are utterly baffled by Cohle's lecture, and I would have been, too—if Pizzolatto hadn't already told me what he was up to.
"You could see Cohle as Job crying out to an unhearing God," he explained. "Or you could see him as something else."
"Like what?" I asked.
"Cohle describes the possibility of other dimensions existing, and he says that’s what eternity is," Pizzolatto continued. "He says that if somehow you existed outside of time, you’d be able to see the whole of our dimension as one superstructure with matter superimposed at every position it had ever occupied. He says that the nature of the universe is your consciousness, and it just keeps cycling along the same point in that superstructure: when you die, you’re reborn into yourself again, and you just keep living the same life over and over. He also explains that from a higher mathematical vantage point, our dimension would seem less dimensional. It would look flattened, almost."
Pizzolatto took a bite of his branzino. "Now, think about all the things Cohle is talking about," he said as he finished chewing. "Is he a man railing against an uncaring god? Or is he a character in a TV show railing against his audience? Aren't we the creatures of that higher dimension? The creatures who can see the totality of his world? After all, we get to see all eight episodes of his life. On a flat screen. And we can watch him live that same life over and over again, the exact same way."
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Hart, addressing all of us in E1: "You got a chapter in those books about jumping to conclusions? You attach an assumption to a piece of evidence, you start to bend the narrative to support it. You prejudice yourself."
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Worst show ever. Unrealistic.
omg the greatest scene in television history, I am going to masturbate to Gingers bloody nose.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/16/true-detective-episode-5-review-the-secret-fate-of-all-life-is-the-best-episode-yet.html
(http://www.ripcitybadboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/mind-blown-2.gif)
That is truly mind-blowing. I'm quite grateful this dude got the opportunity to make his show.
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anyone have a guess to the significance of the Stacy Gerhart "Do You Know Who Killed Me?" billboard that Rust keeps passing on the highway? he's seen it at least twice.
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anyone have a guess to the significance of the Stacy Gerhart "Do You Know Who Killed Me?" billboard that Rust keeps passing on the highway? he's seen it at least twice.
Probably just one of the girls the cult sacrificed
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http://imgur.com/a/3XDWC
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Probably just one of the girls the cult sacrificed
can you please tell me what the freak Cohle stares at on the wall in his apartment? I'm pretty sure I'm not talking about the crucifix either.
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anyone have a guess to the significance of the Stacy Gerhart "Do You Know Who Killed Me?" billboard that Rust keeps passing on the highway? he's seen it at least twice.
That billboard was the impetus for Cohle to check the missing girl, Marie Fontenot, that had the devil catcher in the shed. My guess is it symbolizes Cohle to look further into the case in 2002 when the guy mentions the Yellow King. I think he saw it going back to interview him.
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can you please tell me what the freak Cohle stares at on the wall in his apartment? I'm pretty sure I'm not talking about the crucifix either.
A small mirror.
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can you please tell me what the freak Cohle stares at on the wall in his apartment? I'm pretty sure I'm not talking about the crucifix either.
It's an eye sized mirror. I don't get the purpose of it
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It's an eye sized mirror. I don't get the purpose of it
“I can see your soul at the edges of your eyes”
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I think he saw it going back to interview him.
I think he saw it going back to the original crime scene. Strange that the same billboard is still there so many years later.
I feel like that missing woman is connected to the case. But I agree with the other stuff you said too.
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I think he saw it going back to the original crime scene. Strange that the same billboard is still there so many years later.
I feel like that missing woman is connected to the case. But I agree with the other stuff you said too.
I will double check that tonight.
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http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2014/02/uproxx-interview-charles-halford-discusses-playing-reggie-ledoux-true-detective-night-nola-richard-simmons/
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I think he saw it going back to the original crime scene. Strange that the same billboard is still there so many years later.
I feel like that missing woman is connected to the case. But I agree with the other stuff you said too.
He did.
The sign was up there for awhile.
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thinking about how awesome this show is has me poppin a straight bone cone in my pants at my desk at work.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/20/read-the-king-in-yellow-the-true-detective-reference-that-s-the-key-to-the-show.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/20/read-the-king-in-yellow-the-true-detective-reference-that-s-the-key-to-the-show.html)
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I caught something, it wasn't a grenade that killed Dewall, it was a mine. A bouncing betty to be specific, that was cool.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yszT9gkE4s
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yszT9gkE4s
Would watch.
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From reddit:
(http://i.imgur.com/cAskCnw.jpg)
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil
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wooooooooo walking dead in 20 mins
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wooooooooo walking dead in 20 mins
die
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die
I live in a house where this is actually a serious, calculated discussion. die
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I live in a house where this is actually a serious, calculated discussion. die
Burn it down!
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Fuckkkkk
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Nice hook, Marty
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I am done with the show it's so unrealistic, no freaking way Cohle rides around in a truck with a broken taillight for 7 years.
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I am done with the show it's so unrealistic, no freaking way Cohle rides around in a truck with a broken taillight for 7 years.
Enjoy the CW's new series: Star-Crossed
(Also, it's 10 years)
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So I guess that was a down payment.
Lili Simmons is absurdly hot.
"When you get the opportunity, you should kill yourself."
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Enjoy the CW's new series: Star-Crossed
(Also, it's 10 years)
I have the CW you have Esquire. That's even.
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So I guess that was a down payment.
Lili Simmons is absurdly hot.
She is naked quite a lot in Banshee, it's glorious.
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I have the CW you have Esquire. That's even.
No way
Party Down comes on Esquire
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"When you get the opportunity, you should kill yourself."
That was freaking awesome.
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Nice hook, Marty
"When you get the opportunity, you should kill yourself."
I am done with the show it's so unrealistic, no freaking way Cohle rides around in a truck with a broken taillight for 7 years.
My three favorite moments. That last shot of the tail light was brilliant. Michelle Monaghan, also brilliant.
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Michelle Monaghan, also brilliant.
Some smug prick that I work with texted me about how he hates the show after tonight's episode because it's sexist.
He's been trying to find something wrong with it from the beginning.
"none of the female characters are strong. they are all obsessed with sex."
GTFO
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So I guess that was a down payment.
Lili Simmons is absurdly hot.
She's the "freak me in the derriere" girl, I'm guessing? I felt that line coming and thought, "If she says 'freak me in the derriere,' it's game over for Marty."
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I guess with all the subterfuge that the story is unfolding somewhat along lines of some of the generally accepted theories.lol
In a way I am happy there were only 8 episodes and in way I wish there were 13 like a normal show.
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Some smug prick that I work with texted me about how he hates the show after tonight's episode because it's sexist.
He's been trying to find something wrong with it from the beginning.
"none of the female characters are strong. they are all obsessed with sex."
GTFO
The Maggie and Rust scene had nothing to do with sex.
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She's the "freak me in the derriere" girl, I'm guessing? I felt that line coming and thought, "If she says 'freak me in the derriere,' it's game over for Marty."
Yeah she is the one after Marty. She is in a few current shows and is naked a lot in Banshee.
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Some smug prick that I work with texted me about how he hates the show after tonight's episode because it's sexist.
He's been trying to find something wrong with it from the beginning.
"none of the female characters are strong. they are all obsessed with sex."
GTFO
Hahahahaha that's word for word from a critic I read last week.
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Shea Whigham is underrated
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I'm having trouble envisioning what this show becomes during the second season. Does it just latch onto another nihilist guru-cop in a different part of the country? Does it stay as philosophically bleak as it has been this season?
I'd like to see the same actors return, American Horror Story-style, but next season is a full-on buddy cop comedy. Woody from Cheers and Wooderson from Dazed and Confused, solving crimes and banging ladies.
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Woody from Cheers and Wooderson from Dazed and Confused, solving crimes and banging ladies.
Alright, alright, alright
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Shea Whigham is underrated
You know, following my previous post and considering that he was underutilized this season, I would watch him carry season two.
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You know, following my previous post and considering that he was underutilized this season, I would watch him carry season two.
Anthony Mackie and Shea Whigham
Get it done
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My guess is they get some other movie actors that like what they saw in season 1. Jack Black and Kirsten Dunst.
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The freaking Maggie theory seemed a bit too obvious considering there was foreshadowing from the beginning, but not everything has to be a surprise twist.
I guess the fallout was real.
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Jonathan Banks and someone
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I am done with the show it's so unrealistic, no freaking way Cohle rides around in a truck with a broken taillight for 7 years.
Woody banging all these smoking hot chicks is the real test of suspending disbelief
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The freaking Maggie theory seemed a bit too obvious considering there was foreshadowing from the beginning, but not everything has to be a surprise twist.
It had nothing to do with any of that foreshadowing though. A lot of people thought they would freak, but not in that way.
When Cohle had that realization about what was happening...McConaughey killed that scene.
GET THE freak OUT
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Woody banging all these smoking hot chicks is the real test of suspending disbelief
Just a regular type dude with a big derriere dick
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Did any of you guys see the coming attractions?
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Did any of you guys see the coming attractions?
you mean the preview for next week?
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you mean the preview for next week?
Same difference, but yep.
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i just saw it on youtube...
White mask thing is creepy, so are the pics of the young girl.
The "spaghetti monster"/groundskeeper theory looks pretty solid as of right now
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i just saw it on youtube...
White mask thing is creepy, so are the pics of the young girl.
The "spaghetti monster"/groundskeeper theory looks pretty solid as of right now
Not what I was referring, I think the doll scene and the beer can man scene has high degree of relevance based on a reaction Hart has when asked to watch something.
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what was the book Cohle mentioned in the interrogation with the woman?
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Not what I was referring, I think the doll scene and the beer can man scene has high degree of relevance based on a reaction Hart has when asked to watch something.
Yeah, I thought the same thing.
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what was the book Cohle mentioned in the interrogation with the woman?
Munchausen by proxy? That's a syndrome not a book.
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hahaha
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Yeah, I thought the same thing.
It's kind of sick to think how he could have gotten something like that on tape.
Also it will be interesting to find out if the groundskeeper is the yellow king and if he is, how the freak does he have the cache to have cases filed in error and or stalled, covered up etc.
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It's kind of sick to think how he could have gotten something like that on tape.
It looked like there was some kind of heist going on. Brother Mouzon and his partner said something about two break ins going unreported at Reverend Tuttle's houses.
I bet Cohle just steals a bunch of incriminating stuff.
Tuttle realizes the excrement is missing and he overdoses. Makes a lot of sense to me.
Also it will be interesting to find out if the groundskeeper is the yellow king and if he is, how the freak does he have the cache to have cases filed in error and or stalled, covered up etc.
I don't think that he's the Yellow King. I think he's just one of the pawns - similar to Ledoux and DeWall.
It's going to be a group of men (and maybe even women). The Yellow King might be some kind of Wicker Man type of deal.
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It looked like there was some kind of heist going on. Brother Mouzon and his partner said something about two break ins going unreported at Reverend Tuttle's houses.
I bet Cohle just steals a bunch of incriminating stuff.
Tuttle realizes the excrement is missing and he overdoses. Makes a lot of sense to me.
I don't think that he's the Yellow King. I think he's just one of the pawns - similar to Ledoux and DeWall.
It's going to be a group of men (and maybe even women). The Yellow King might be some kind of Wicker Man type of deal.
1.) I figured that the breakins probably had to be Cohle but the suicide thing sounds too easy.
2.) I guess I confused the green spaghetti man and the yellow king.
There's significance with the Tuttle conversation. He was lying, he had the same look as Maggie did when she was lying. I will have to watch that part again particularly when Tuttle is talking about the beer, I think it has some overlay with Cohle drinking the beer in the interrogation of 2012.
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It looked like there was some kind of heist going on. Brother Mouzon and his partner said something about two break ins going unreported at Reverend Tuttle's houses.
I bet Cohle just steals a bunch of incriminating stuff.
Tuttle realizes the excrement is missing and he overdoses. Makes a lot of sense to me.
I don't think that he's the Yellow King. I think he's just one of the pawns - similar to Ledoux and DeWall.
It's going to be a group of men (and maybe even women). The Yellow King might be some kind of Wicker Man type of deal.
I agree with this.
I think Rust has gone vigilante, and he's offing cult members one at a time.
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Some light reading.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/2014/02/true_detective_the_women_on_the_show_are_treated_badly_but_there_s_a_good.html
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/her-looming-shadow-grows-the-women-of-true-detective/
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I hate this queynte:
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/03/03/140303crte_television_nussbaum
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"The more episodes that go by, the more I’m starting to suspect that those asses tell the real story."
There's a sentence I never thought I'd read.
The two articles I posted are basically rebuttals (heh, butt) to her.
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Meh who cares if someone doesn't like it, especially if it's a female critic. There are obviously women that gravitate towards the negative because gasp the two main characters are alpha males.
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https://twitter.com/drewmagary/status/438057819825520640
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Meh who cares if someone doesn't like it, especially if it's a female critic. There are obviously women that gravitate towards the negative because gasp the two main characters are alpha nlmales.
No one can disagree!
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https://twitter.com/drewmagary/status/438057819825520640
Daddario's character is harder to believe than the former teenage prostitute.
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No one can disagree!
Did you read that article from that smug bitch in the New Yorker? I think she said excrement about Breaking Bad having poor female characters as well.
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Did you read that article from that smug bitch in the New Yorker? I think she said excrement about Breaking Bad having poor female characters as well.
I didn't read it, but the bold is exactly why. The New Yorker is smug central....it's expected going in
Let her go finger herself to Orange is the New Black
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Daddario's character is harder to believe than the former teenage prostitute.
(http://everydayadrawing.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/charlie-reference.jpg)
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The most duh obvious thing, I think the opening credits/song is fantastic.
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Oh:
A man's game charges a man's price, take that away if nothing else.
They got off easy, in more ways than one.
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Oh:
A man's game charges a man's price, take that away if nothing else.
They got off easy, in more ways than one.
He beat the hell out of that first kid
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He beat the hell out of that first kid
I meant it beats 5-10 in the state pen. That excrement will heal in a week or two.
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I meant it beats 5-10 in the state pen. That excrement will heal in a week or two.
Definitely. 5 years of beatings and rapes set up by Hart himself.
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You know Maggie used one of Cohles interrogation technique against him to freak him. Lol I don't mean waving her funbags or anything. The way she spoke to him, was reminiscent how Cohle gets confessions out of people.
Also the nice hook Marty reminds me of the Beverly Hills Cop scene when Taggert punched Eddie Murphy, I thought of that immediately. I think it was the universal no hard feelings signal.
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Did you read that article from that smug bitch in the New Yorker? I think she said excrement about Breaking Bad having poor female characters as well.
the obvious answer is that females in general suck, so the liklihood of a woman character in a show sucking is very high.
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The most duh obvious thing, I think the opening credits/song is fantastic.
great song/opening credits. love it.
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You know Maggie used one of Cohles interrogation technique against him to freak him. Lol I don't mean waving her funbags or anything. The way she spoke to him, was reminiscent how Cohle gets confessions out of people.
That's a really good observation. And then once she's got her "confession," she pulls the act and leaves the room.
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(http://i.imgur.com/g9Mem06.png)
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/24/true-detective-episode-6-michelle-monaghan-on-that-sex-scene-with-matthew-mcconaughey.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/24/true-detective-episode-6-michelle-monaghan-on-that-sex-scene-with-matthew-mcconaughey.html)
The link my contain spoilers in the last few questions. I think it inferred that maybe a theory or two might be correct.
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(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31/q80/s720x720/1511855_773273279352957_356836578_o.jpg)
Another angle of the picture from Dora Lange's mother's house...
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That excrement creeped me out when I first saw it. What the freak is that supposed to be and how did Rust and Marty not ask about it ?
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That excrement is creepy. It looks like some weirdo kkk thing. It could be some weird thing having to do with Mardi-Gras or some other, like a Halloween festival.
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That excrement is creepy. It looks like some weirdo kkk thing. It could be some weird thing having to do with Mardi-Gras or some other, like a Halloween festival.
I just looked it up. It's supposed to be Cajun Mardi Gras...but the one guy with a crown is very suspect.
5 horsemen, 5 beer can men, 5 men with the dolls
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http://imgur.com/KbTWHTz
around the 7 second mark....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBvXKe-HMhA
also....saw something on a blog that really tripped me out. The mural painted in the psych hospital was the same as a framed picture in Maggie/Marty's room.
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Total brain fart
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It's four horsemen, bundle of sticks
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It's four horsemen, bundle of sticks
talking to puck?
i missed his pre edit post
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This answers a lot.....
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281909/
edit: or maybe not....apparently you can edit these entries like wikis.
however, there is a leaked photo from the instagram of the people who worked on the set showing Errol in a graveyard....so i don't think it's too far off.
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It's four horsemen, bundle of sticks
Really? Tell me more. I realized two seconds after I posted it, so freak yourself.
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talking to puck?
i missed his pre edit post
Yeah my initial post was wrong, was a brain fart. He's just being a queynte, I edited it immediately.
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This answers a lot.....
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281909/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0281909/)
edit: or maybe not....apparently you can edit these entries like wikis.
however, there is a leaked photo from the instagram of the people who worked on the set showing Errol in a graveyard....so i don't think it's too far off.
In that same, Mr Hebert, Maggie's dad is listed on one episode, #2 Seeing Things, and I think he figures in an episode or two later on.
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Yeah my initial post was wrong, was a brain fart. He's just being a queynte, I edited it immediately.
The Tanakh has four dudes riding in on Tauntauns
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Wish I had HBO lol. Then again it's prolly the only thing I'd watch on HBO
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Anyone else got the fear that this is going to end up with some kind of wholly annoying Twin Peaks / Lost "WTF?" conclusion?
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Anyone else got the fear that this is going to end up with some kind of wholly annoying Twin Peaks / Lost "WTF?" conclusion?
I don't. I feel like this show/season has been very meticulously constructed so that everything will make perfect sense at its conclusion. It'll be that flat circle the writer mentioned, as opposed to the sphere we currently perceive.
I can't speak for Twin Peaks, but Lost telegraphed itself as a steamy pile of excrement well before the final episodes. I had already invested so much time and imagination into it that I just had to see it through, though. That's not the case with TD. Each episode makes the mystery richer, not cloudier.
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Anyone else got the fear that this is going to end up with some kind of wholly annoying Twin Peaks / Lost "WTF?" conclusion?
I'm not watching this show until people say the end of the season holds up.
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Best easter egg I've seen yet.
(http://i.imgur.com/rYxxADd.jpg)
Reggie Ledoux wearing a My Little Pony towel.
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Anyone else got the fear that this is going to end up with some kind of wholly annoying Twin Peaks / Lost "WTF?" conclusion?
I don't fear it. I'm actually kind of hoping for it actually. I want this to be thought about and studied for years after it finishes.
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I don't fear it. I'm actually kind of hoping for it actually. I want this to be thought about and studied for years after it finishes.
That sounded a little serial killer-y.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTerYel35ljp0iObaCvBHJVTlWE8Igvypm0zI6Dqcs56E3zYVon)
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That sounded a little serial killer-y.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTerYel35ljp0iObaCvBHJVTlWE8Igvypm0zI6Dqcs56E3zYVon)
Intentionally paraphrased John Doe because that's my boy
"I seem to remember ...BREAKING. YOUR. FACE!"
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The Tanakh has four dudes riding in on Tauntauns
Hahahahaha
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Explaining this show to a smug feminist is one of the worst things imaginable.
I told him that the story is being told through the eyes of two men. That's a big reason why the women are in the background.
He was not pleased.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/25/national/25church.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
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Anyone else got the fear that this is going to end up with some kind of wholly annoying Twin Peaks / Lost "WTF?" conclusion?
I thought that to a certain extent, then took a step back and looked at what has unfolded so far.
The one thing the constant changing of the time periods does, is mask the story as being quite logical and linear. I mean if we are paying attention we could have figured out the Maggie/Rust/Marty falling out, the fact Rust's interview wasn't the current detectives interviewing him but the other way around, the fact that all the flashbacks are the truth and not a fake out.
So although I was a little scared initially, I think the writer isn't going to pull any bullshit like what The Killing did or some other dumb story line. The story has been quite truthful to logic and a timeline so far, it's the skipping around that masks that and makes it feel a lot more complex.
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Explaining this show to a smug feminist is one of the worst things imaginable.
I told him that the story is being told through the eyes of two men. That's a big reason why the women are in the background.
He was not pleased.
I saw this on another forum:
So apparently some Australian editor Lana Guineay tweeted this at Nic.
"Hey @nicpizzolatto if True Detective looked at feminine characters with the same lens as masculine, it would be PERFECT & MIND-BLOWING."
His response:
"One of the detriments of only having two POV characters, both men (a structural necessity). Next season…"
Maybe both leads are female next season?
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I hope both leads aren't female. I read an article this morning and Pizzolatto said he wants to use a lot of the same actors/actresses for the second season. I wouldn't mind Michelle Monaghan coming back as a lead.
Jonathan Banks needs to be a part of this show. He could spin some yarn with Pizzolatto's scripts.
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I thought that to a certain extent, then took a step back and looked at what has unfolded so far.
The one thing the constant changing of the time periods does, is mask the story as being quite logical and linear. I mean if we are paying attention we could have figured out the Maggie/Rust/Marty falling out, the fact Rust's interview wasn't the current detectives interviewing him but the other way around, the fact that all the flashbacks are the truth and not a fake out.
So although I was a little scared initially, I think the writer isn't going to pull any bullshit like what The Killing did or some other dumb story line. The story has been quite truthful to logic and a timeline so far, it's the skipping around that masks that and makes it feel a lot more complex.
Yeah, I think the ending isn't going to be as "out there" as people are expecting. It should still be good but I don't think they're going to pull anything wacky.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/25/national/25church.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
I don't know if it's a common surname in LA. but one of the name mentioned is Fontenot. Hmmmm
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I don't know if it's a common surname in LA. but one of the name mentioned is Fontenot. Hmmmm
It's probably a really common name down there.
Danny Fontenot is the first missing girl's uncle, right? Ex-pitcher with horrible MS-like symptoms.
There's also the stuff about cats being mutilated.
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It's probably a really common name down there.
Danny Fontenot is the first missing girl's uncle, right? Ex-pitcher with horrible MS-like symptoms.
There's also the stuff about cats being mutilated.
Yep, they mentioned he had a series of strokes, it was a background conversation.
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Yep, they mentioned he had a series of strokes, it was a background conversation.
I wonder if the strokes were drug related? I need to stop thinking so much about this and just let it unfold.
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Here is a really good interview, warning it contains some minor spoilers.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/27/true-detective-nic-pizzolatto-season-1/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/27/true-detective-nic-pizzolatto-season-1/)
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Here is a really good interview, warning it contains some minor spoilers.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/27/true-detective-nic-pizzolatto-season-1/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/27/true-detective-nic-pizzolatto-season-1/)
That's the one I read earlier today. Spoilers are labeled, so don't be afraid to check it out. It's really good stuff.
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Huge Spoiler: The Yellow King
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y143/MortalWombat68/B3183B3B-ED48-4DB4-8447-C5C247AFF04C-8579-00000FE5C26573A9_zpsa182cb50.jpg)
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More spoilers, please skip if you don't want to see them :
(http://cdn.redcarpet-fashionawards.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Michelle-Monaghan-In-Vera-Wang-Warner-Bros-And-InStyle-Golden-Globe-Awards-After-Party.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zckIeIY.png)
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Whoever made that is reaching big time.
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Hahahahahaha
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From Reddit:
(http://i.imgur.com/AtXrerk.jpg)
Nice hook, Marty.
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Hahahahahaha
Lol yep
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The subreddit for True Detective has some good stuff but mixed in with a whole lot of nonsense theories.
One that didn't sound like nonsense.....That the very first opening scene of the series actually takes place in 2012, and is basically at the end. It makes sense since it certainly doesn''t look like a woman....Then when the camera goes on, the story starts retelling.
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After next week's episode, I'm probably going to do a rewatch of episodes 1-7 before the finale.
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After next week's episode, I'm probably going to do a rewatch of episodes 1-7 before the finale.
not in order, but I've watched each at least 3 times.
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After next week's episode, I'm probably going to do a rewatch of episodes 1-7 before the finale.
I have seen them all at least 5 times each, even that preposterous scene, I have been monumentally bored this week for obvious reasons. Like I said earlier people are making the story way too complex for their own good. The skipping around time periods has made otherwise moderately smart people into conspiracy theory, grassy knoll douchebags.
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http://www.someecards.com/2014/02/28/true-detective-hbo-rust-cohle-matthew-mcconaughey-pickup-lines
(http://static.someecards.com/someecards/images/feed_assets/5310af399ac65.png)
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(http://gothamist.com/upload/2014/02/022614td10.jpg)
(http://gothamist.com/upload/2014/02/022614td13.jpg)
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Anyone else got the fear that this is going to end up with some kind of wholly annoying Twin Peaks / Lost "WTF?" conclusion?
No. The ending to Twin Peaks occurred well before the end of the series. ABC canceled the show too soon, so Lynch basically offered up a big freak you as the actual series end. I also didn't hate the ending to Lost. I get the feeling people who did weren't really paying attention to what the show was really about from Day One.
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Best easter egg I've seen yet.
(http://i.imgur.com/rYxxADd.jpg)
Reggie Ledoux wearing a My Little Pony towel.
That's really unsettling.
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My family's been here a loooong time...
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At least we know Papania and Gilbough aren't in on it, though they could still be unwitting pawns.
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At least we know Papania and Gilbough aren't in on it, though they could still be unwitting pawns.
I hope that they help out Cohle and Hart, but I'd be just as happy if they both get destroyed.
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The name Childress comes up yet again. That was the last name of the prison guard with the pharmacy killer, the sheriff that signed off on the Fontenot girl case filed in error, and possibly the yellow king/lawnmower man.
Also the story was pretty linear/logical and not whacked out. Lol at all the crazy theories.
I was wrong with regard to the videotape and Harts daughter. Who knows that was a weird part of the show it may turn out that daughter is still a component of the cover up of molestation and child abuse.
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Lol detectives freak and Suck.
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How sad was the montage of Rust and Marty's lives in 2012?
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I was wrong with regard to the videotape and Harts daughter. Who knows that was a weird part of the show it may turn out that daughter is still a component of the cover up of molestation and child abuse.
I thought it would be his daughter on the tape as well. Her story may just be something the viewers will be left to establish for themselves. It was heavily implied that she was sexually abused - the pictures, the dolls, the three way, and the medication that Maggie mentioned.
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The name Childress comes up yet again. That was the last name of the prison guard with the pharmacy killer, the sheriff that signed off on the Fontenot girl case filed in error, and possibly the yellow king/lawnmower man.
I think the Lawnmower Man (Errol) is a Childress. I have two theories about the Yellow King though...
1. I mentioned it before, but I think it may not be a person at all. It may be a Wicker Man type of idol that the cult members worship.
2. If it is a person, it's not Errol. Somebody took out Reverend Tuttle and I doubt a simple maintenance man has that kind of swing. I think he's just a creepy mother fucker that was raised to be that way.
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"Sure hope that old lady was wrong...about death not being the end of it."
This is the first time that I've felt like Rust is actually scared to die and that he's uncertain about his beliefs.
I think he is trying to find a reason for his existence by finishing this case. He's all about life being purposeless/meaningless, but if they finish this on their own, it gives him a purpose.
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"Sure hope that old lady was wrong...about death not being the end of it."
This is the first time that I've felt like Rust is actually scared to die and that he's uncertain about his beliefs.
I think he is trying to find a reason for his existence by finishing this case. He's all about life being purposeless/meaningless, but if they finish this on their own, it gives him a purpose.
I took that either that way or as him wanting the finality of death for the people responsible. If this excrement doesn't end with death, he's going to be chasing it forever.
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The name Childress comes up yet again. That was the last name of the prison guard with the pharmacy killer, the sheriff that signed off on the Fontenot girl case filed in error, and possibly the yellow king/lawnmower man.
Also the story was pretty linear/logical and not whacked out. Lol at all the crazy theories.
I was wrong with regard to the videotape and Harts daughter. Who knows that was a weird part of the show it may turn out that daughter is still a component of the cover up of molestation and child abuse.
yep....
Also, Lawnmower man = Errol Childress for certainty. This is a horrible audition from 2012 that has the exact line of dialog from tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaYzXvSR3Js
So he's a cousin of Billy Lee Tuttle and the Governer, and bastard of their father. The father was obviously fucked up if he only had sex with virgins and then discarded them while fathering a bunch of bastards in the process
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"Sure hope that old lady was wrong...about death not being the end of it."
This is the first time that I've felt like Rust is actually scared to die and that he's uncertain about his beliefs.
I think he is trying to find a reason for his existence by finishing this case. He's all about life being purposeless/meaningless, but if they finish this on their own, it gives him a purpose.
I highly doubt that. It contradicts everything he talks about. The logical explanation is that he doesn't like the prospect of there being an afterlife.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1BpAaJeb3o
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Possible speculative spoilers?
http://i.imgur.com/Ee1Ea43.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Ee1Ea43.jpg)
A correct theory:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ee1Ea43.jpg)
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So he's a cousin of Billy Lee Tuttle and the Governer, and bastard of their father. The father was obviously fucked up if he only had sex with virgins and then discarded them while fathering a bunch of bastards in the process
I took it as Sam Childress is one of Sam Tuttle's kids and Erroll is his son. Because he burned his face when he was a kid, according to the old woman.
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I highly doubt that. It contradicts everything he talks about. The logical explanation is that he doesn't like the prospect of there being an afterlife.
That's the point. He's changed in 2012. All of the stuff about him saying that he was thinking it was all in his head was important too.
He's been questioning himself for a long time.
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I took that either that way or as him wanting the finality of death for the people responsible. If this excrement doesn't end with death, he's going to be chasing it forever.
I like that too.
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The guy that Cohle slapped in the pilot is about to get some jumper cables attached to his bitch funbags.
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The guy that Cohle slapped in the pilot is about to get some jumper cables attached to his bitch funbags.
Steve the drunk, he's used to it. He got donkey punched in Deadwood and slapped around by Bullock. He is probably going to be a brick wall with all the practice he has had.
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In Old English, Errol means Prince/Nobleman/Warrior.
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Steve the drunk, he's used to it. He got donkey punched in Deadwood and slapped around by Bullock. He is probably going to be a brick wall with all the practice he has had.
Ahhhhhh, he's the horse-fucker!!!
I didn't make that connection until just now.
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Who has a better stache: Johnny Joanie or Puck?
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Who has a better stache: Johnny Joanie or Puck?
If you combine them you get jonnyd.
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I took it as Sam Childress is one of Sam Tuttle's kids and Erroll is his son. Because he burned his face when he was a kid, according to the old woman.
Yeah , that. Just rewatched that part
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This show is tha shiz, Saul.
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Here is a review I found that basically echoes what I have been saying the last few weeks or so. That the show is quite linear and logical, not the supernatural version of the killing or similar shows that try to trick the audience to hide the fact the show sucks balls. He does a great job putting everything together and I agree with him.
Andrew Romano's review of True Detective, it's pretty long but it summarizes the show about the best I have seen. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/how-true-detective-will-end-what-we-know-up-to-episode-7-after-you-ve-gone.html)
His opinion on how the show ends seems pretty logical but who knows.
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What are some endings that will pee you guys off?
If Gilbough and Papania show up to Carcosa after everything goes down and shoot Cohle or Hart, that will probably pee me off.
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What are some endings that will pee you guys off?
If Gilbough and Papania show up to Carcosa after everything goes down and shoot Cohle or Hart, that will probably pee me off.
(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llhnunM6tJ1qiggm3o1_500.gif)
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If one of the nonsensical theories proves to be true. Hart or Cohle is a killer (it aint happening).
I figure I will not be too disappointed in the finale. I would be my left nut that some grassy knoll ridiculous theory would not prove to be true.
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If one of the nonsensical theories proves to be true. Hart or Cohle is a killer (it aint happening).
I figure I will not be too disappointed in the finale. I would be my left nut that some grassy knoll ridiculous theory would not prove to be true.
If Maggie Hart is involved in any way, that will be pretty shitty too.
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My whole life is this expanding circular freak-up and I’m about to get clipped in a home invasion. What I’m saying is, I was aware that I might have lost my mind.
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If Maggie Hart is involved in any way, that will be pretty shitty too.
Oh dear lord that would be monumentally stupid and hugely disappointing in NP.
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I keep seeing people talking about how good the lighting in the final shot was - how it took a few seconds to reveal Errol's scars.
I thought the shot of the location was even better. The mowed circle and the graveyard in the background...just creepy as hell. This family is responsible for so many deaths over time.
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If Maggie Hart is involved in any way, that will be pretty shitty too.
Do you just not like Maggie as a character? I think she's held her own, considering that there are really only two fully fleshed-out characters in the show.
I could see Rust surviving, but he gets Marty killed.
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I keep seeing people talking about how good the lighting in the final shot was - how it took a few seconds to reveal Errol's scars.
I thought the shot of the location was even better. The mowed circle and the graveyard in the background...just creepy as hell. This family is responsible for so many deaths over time.
The mowed spiral was an even better ending shot than the broken tail light. It was the kind of shot you just want to applaud.
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Do you just not like Maggie as a character? I think she's held her own, considering that there are really only two fully fleshed-out characters in the show.
I could see Rust surviving, but he gets Marty killed.
No, I like Maggie. Monaghan has done a great job.
I just wouldn't like her to be involved with the cult in anyway. That would be lame.
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If one of the nonsensical theories proves to be true. Hart or Cohle is a killer (it aint happening).
I figure I will not be too disappointed in the finale. I would be my left nut that some grassy knoll ridiculous theory would not prove to be true.
he flat out says he's not trying to trick the viewer.
a lot of people misunderstood the show......
but IMHO I liked the whole mythology and cosmic horror aspect. Would have been cool to incorporate that for real. He basically changed the "Satantic" part to the Yellow King stuff and kept the supernatural out of i
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a lot of people misunderstood the show......
A lot of people aren't digging for Nic Pizzolatto's interviews about the series though. They are trying to figure it out for themselves, and I really like that about the show.
Some of these theories are absolutely absurd, but this series has provided a huge amount of discussion through only seven episodes. I think Pizzollato is fine with that.
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he flat out says he's not trying to trick the viewer.
a lot of people misunderstood the show......
but IMHO I liked the whole mythology and cosmic horror aspect. Would have been cool to incorporate that for real. He basically changed the "Satantic" part to the Yellow King stuff and kept the supernatural out of i
Yeah I know he isn't out to trick the viewer. He just wrote the show superbly and it tricks people into thinking about nonsense because that's how most shows work now, they try to be too smart for their own good. He is following a logical arc, the way cases are really solved. Basically he told a conventional story in an unconventional way.
The mythology, metaphysical, supernatural was a way to differentiate Rust's nihilistic thinking and also bring in some of the social uniqueness of the Bayou. I think it gave the show more of an air of authenticity.
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Yeah I know he isn't out to trick the viewer. He just wrote the show superbly and it tricks people into thinking about nonsense because that's how most shows work now, they try to be too smart for their own good. He is following a logical arc, the way cases are really solved. Basically he told a conventional story in an unconventional way.
The mythology, metaphysical, supernatural was a way to differentiate Rust's nihilistic thinking and also bring in some of the social uniqueness of the Bayou. I think it gave the show more of an air of authenticity.
For the first time, we're finally a step ahead of Rust Cohle with the reveal of Errol.
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This mean anything to you guys:
(http://i.imgur.com/5XNFSsX.jpg)
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This mean anything to you guys:
(http://i.imgur.com/5XNFSsX.jpg)
Black stars?
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Black stars?
No, I thought that was a My Little Pony reference but I am not sure, I didn't see the stars lol. Ledoux was wearing that towel when he got clipped by Hart.
I thought it kind of looked like the new version of that towel......hahahahah I am not good at those things.
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I'm rewatching starting with Ep 1 and decided to look into the phone number on the billboard. Apparently the 337 area code on the board wasn't actually created until 1999, but they're in 1995. ANACHRONISM FLAW SERIES RUINED. Or maybe time is a flat circle and every area code was always in existence in perpetuity.
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Hahaha, I wouldn't be able to recognize anything MLP related unless it was blatant.
I think it's just Audrey standing next to a painting.
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I'm rewatching starting with Ep 1 and decided to look into the phone number on the billboard. Apparently the 337 area code on the board wasn't actually created until 1999, but they're in 1995. ANACHRONISM FLAW SERIES RUINED. Or maybe time is a flat circle and every area code was always in existence in perpetuity.
Some of the music that plays at the biker bar wasn't recorded until years after 1995.
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Hahaha, I wouldn't be able to recognize anything MLP related unless it was blatant.
I think it's just Audrey standing next to a painting.
That's it!
Audrey is an artist/painter in 2012. That painting has black stars in it.
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Some of the music that plays at the biker bar wasn't recorded until years after 1995.
Oh great, now I'm going to wonder if it's an intentional decision.
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No, I thought that was a My Little Pony reference but I am not sure, I didn't see the stars lol. Ledoux was wearing that towel when he got clipped by Hart.
I thought it kind of looked like the new version of that towel......hahahahah I am not good at those things.
It means Cohle and Hart are Bronys
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I really want to know who Audrey's new boyfriend is. Maggie made a point of mentioning how she has a great new boyfriend who watches out for her.
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Did they ever look up Debbie Fontenot? I can't recall for some reason.
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Did they ever look up Debbie Fontenot? I can't recall for some reason.
I thought that was explained in Episode 1 when they had the conversation with the Aunt. The mother remarried and moved to Vegas I think.
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Rewatching the series, and I love picking up on stuff the second time through that isn't necessarily integral to the mystery, but just fills in characters. Told Heismanberg earlier that Marty's line in Ep 1 ("Past a certain age, a man without a family can be a bad thing") was great given what we now know after Ep 7 about his life since he lost his family. Outside observation is really internal reflection.
Loved in Ep 2 when MM was feeling out the two detectives. Talking about Marie: "School shut down in '92 after Hurricane Andrew. That mean anything to you?" He's interrogating them, trying to see how deep their knowledge of events really goes. Of course, when it first aired, we had no idea about the school connection. Great stuff.
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The mother remarried and moved to Vegas I think.
Hart sort of called out Steve the Drunk about that story though. I'm really not sure what to believe with it.
It sounds like Marie Fontenot never went off with her father. That was just the story used to cover it up.
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I thought that was explained in Episode 1 when they had the conversation with the Aunt. The mother remarried and moved to Vegas I think.
That's what I mean. They didn't follow up with the Aunt or try to reach her somewhere over those 17 years?
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Hart sort of called out Steve the Drunk about that story though. I'm really not sure what to believe with it.
It sounds like Marie Fontenot never went off with her father. That was just the story used to cover it up.
Yeah, that's a given. It just seems weird that through all that time, they never pursued Debbie. I never thought Marie actually went with the father. From Ep 1 it seemed like a cover up.
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Actually, who was the woman in the trailer for the final episode? Was that someone we've seen? Maybe Debbie? Probably too young to be Debbie at this point.
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I could have sworn the Aunt debunked the father or mother taking the girl.
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Actually, who was the woman in the trailer for the final episode? Was that someone we've seen? Maybe Debbie? Probably too young to be Debbie at this point.
SPOILER
The woman that Hart is interrogating with a gun to her head? That's an older woman - probably in her 50s, so it could definitely be Debbie Fontenot. I was just thinking it was some crackhead that's out in Carcosa.
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The actor that played Guy Francis (the Pharmacy killer) also played Danny Fontenot.
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SPOILER
The woman that Hart is interrogating with a gun to her head? That's an older woman - probably in her 50s, so it could definitely be Debbie Fontenot. I was just thinking it was some crackhead that's out in Carcosa.
Me too until I rewatched Ep 1. Seems out of character for Cohle to leave something like that hanging. If she's an addict, she could well have died, but it was a big hanging point.
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Me too until I rewatched Ep 1. Seems out of character for Cohle to leave something like that hanging. If she's an addict, she could well have died, but it was a big hanging point.
It's not that big of a point. He doesn't really have any connections to look her up if she actually went to Las Vegas, and if the cult took care of her...then she doesn't exist anymore.
He's obsessed over the case for the past decade and he didn't have information on a ton of people, including his key suspects.
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The actor that played Guy Francis (the Pharmacy killer) also played Danny Fontenot.
What if Errol and the new groundskeeper aren't really the same person in a strict temporal sense?
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It's not that big of a point. He doesn't really have any connections to look her up if she actually went to Las Vegas, and if the cult took care of her...then she doesn't exist anymore.
He's obsessed over the case for the past decade and he didn't have information on a ton of people, including his key suspects.
If there was a mystery over a disappearance that I thought tied into a huge conspiracy, I'd sure follow up with the mother.
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What if Errol and the new groundskeeper aren't really the same person in a strict temporal sense?
stahp
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stahp
LOL. But it's fun to wildly speculate on excrement that won't happen. I mean, did that dude look 17 years older to you? He has MORE hair in 2012 than 1995.
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LOL. But it's fun to wildly speculate on excrement that won't happen. I mean, did that dude look 17 years older to you? He has MORE hair in 2012 than 1995.
Less hair on his face though. He travelled back through time and sent his younger self forward in time.
Also, how can he grow a beard if his face has burns all over it? freak this show. Unrealistic.
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Less hair on his face though. He travelled back through time and sent his younger self forward in time.
Also, how can he grow a beard if his face has burns all over it? freak this show. Unrealistic.
Hahaha. I know you're freaking around, but there's no hair on the scars.
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POSSIBLE RIPOFF:
Errol backwards is Lorre, as in Peter Lorre, star of the 1931 film M in which he played a serial killer who preyed on children and had an obsession with 'the Mountain King'.
Doesn't Hollywood have any original ideas left?
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Another interrogation point: Rust alluding to his 'visions' and saying "You two don't know about that? I told Marty down the line." Trying to see what they know while simultaneously sussing out whether he can trust Hart.
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The actor that played Guy Francis (the Pharmacy killer) also played Danny Fontenot.
What ? Lol
They used one actor for two different characters ?
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Another interrogation point: Rust alluding to his 'visions' and saying "You two don't know about that? I told Marty down the line." Trying to see what they know while simultaneously sussing out whether he can trust Hart.
Hart was interviewed after Cohle
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What ? Lol
They used one actor for two different characters ?
Yes. Worst show ever.
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Hart was interviewed after Cohle
So? If he doesn't trust them or suspects something, he's not going to take their word for it that they haven't spoken to Hart.
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The tweaker drying the baby in a microwave was a homage to Heat.
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Finished rewatching ep 3. That whole last sequence in the interview room is interesting. Another case of Nic setting up a different interpretation than the one we get based on the evidence we have leading up to E3. The first time we watch it, we see him carving the can and we have no idea what they're for. We're focused on Rust discussing the case and how they're narrowing in on a suspect. Even later in the series, we only see that he's carved the five cans for the five men. However, rewatching it shows things in a different light.
He finishes the first can (the one with straight outstretched arms) and says 'and that's when we came to Reginald Ledoux'. So Reggie is first. Sets it down and starts talking about how these people welcomed their death at the last moment. Saw how easy it was to let go. Now, IIRC, when he's all done, the 4 cans are staggered around in a semi circle with the 1st can (the one with outstretched arms) out in front and facing away. If that's Ledoux, he's in a pose that's Christlike and he's drawing attention away from the other four. In 5, Ledoux mentions seeing himself being caught. It's interesting because of what Rust says earlier about contemplating Gethsemane and being willing to sacrifice himself. Ledoux knows they're coming, has seen it, and is at peace with his own capture/death. He's doing it for something bigger than himself. Who's he covering up for? Very end of the episode, Rust grabs another can and says "and when you get to the end, there's a monster." First can is Ledoux, second can is the monster himself. Again, means nothing when you first watch it, but it's brilliant, that tiny moment we couldn't have noticed. We had the more direct allusion to the fact that the first guy may not have been the true murderer, but the idea that they're together is just so subtly dropped in there. Great work.
Question is, if Reggie is the first, the one who will draw the attention, and the other four will be grouped later, who are they? We know Errol. We know Tuttle. Who are the other two going to end up being?
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The Childress from the jail where Guy Francis killed himself and Sheriff Sam Childress.
Reverend Tuttle may have been one, but RIP babbie.
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Finished rewatching ep 3. That whole last sequence in the interview room is interesting. Another case of Nic setting up a different interpretation than the one we get based on the evidence we have leading up to E3. The first time we watch it, we see him carving the can and we have no idea what they're for. We're focused on Rust discussing the case and how they're narrowing in on a suspect. Even later in the series, we only see that he's carved the five cans for the five men. However, rewatching it shows things in a different light.
He finishes the first can (the one with straight outstretched arms) and says 'and that's when we came to Reginald Ledoux'. So Reggie is first. Sets it down and starts talking about how these people welcomed their death at the last moment. Saw how easy it was to let go. Now, IIRC, when he's all done, the 4 cans are staggered around in a semi circle with the 1st can (the one with outstretched arms) out in front and facing away. If that's Ledoux, he's in a pose that's Christlike and he's drawing attention away from the other four. In 5, Ledoux mentions seeing himself being caught. It's interesting because of what Rust says earlier about contemplating Gethsemane and being willing to sacrifice himself. Ledoux knows they're coming, has seen it, and is at peace with his own capture/death. He's doing it for something bigger than himself. Who's he covering up for? Very end of the episode, Rust grabs another can and says "and when you get to the end, there's a monster." First can is Ledoux, second can is the monster himself. Again, means nothing when you first watch it, but it's brilliant, that tiny moment we couldn't have noticed. We had the more direct allusion to the fact that the first guy may not have been the true murderer, but the idea that they're together is just so subtly dropped in there. Great work.
Question is, if Reggie is the first, the one who will draw the attention, and the other four will be grouped later, who are they? We know Errol. We know Tuttle. Who are the other two going to end up being?
Read this review, the writer theorizes the end which may help you figure out who is part of the group of 5:
Review that summarizes the show (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/how-true-detective-will-end-what-we-know-up-to-episode-7-after-you-ve-gone.html)
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The Childress from the jail where Guy Francis killed himself and Sheriff Sam Childress.
Reverend Tuttle may have been one, but RIP babbie.
I buy the Sheriff, but I don't know if the other one is important enough. I'd say Edwin Tuttle is the other one.
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Iggy,
Also the LeDoux's, both Reggie and Dewall and Errol were not part of the 5. The accounts we have been shown mostly say there were 5 people with masks and 3 without (both LeDoux's and Errol). In the video there are 5 masked people and I think 3 holding Marie Fontenot down which would be consistent with the accounts we have seen/heard.
Edit: You can see the # of participants in the pic I just posted, I didn't even realize that till now, duh.
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Also check this out in regards to Audrey, I saw this on a different forum:
(http://i.imgur.com/XTl65Y0.jpg)
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Iggy,
Also the LeDoux's, both Reggie and Dewall and Errol were not part of the 5. The accounts we have been shown mostly say there were 5 people with masks and 3 without (both LeDoux's and Errol). In the video there are 5 masked people and I think 3 holding Marie Fontenot down which would be consistent with the accounts we have seen/heard.
Edit: You can see the # of participants in the pic I just posted, I didn't even realize that till now, duh.
If they're all Tuttles, then absolutely Reggie and Dewall can't be part of it. What if Errol is, and there's a different 3rd who isn't a part of the family? Errol is the stranger from The Yellow King who isn't wearing a mask when everyone thinks he is.
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Iggy,
Also the LeDoux's, both Reggie and Dewall and Errol were not part of the 5. The accounts we have been shown mostly say there were 5 people with masks and 3 without (both LeDoux's and Errol). In the video there are 5 masked people and I think 3 holding Marie Fontenot down which would be consistent with the accounts we have seen/heard.
Edit: You can see the # of participants in the pic I just posted, I didn't even realize that till now, duh.
In which one are there 8?
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Could be that Rev Tuttle is the one who sacrifices himself for the good of the rest. The religious man with arms outstretched goes first.
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In which one are there 8?
Far left top pic, there are 5 masked men and in the far left middle pic there are 3 masked men holding Marie Fontenot down, 2 on the right and 1 on the left side looking at the screen shot. It's easier to see on the TV watching the show, as a pic of a fuzzy pic makes things worse. Those 2 pics are part of the same scene, it isn't the 5 guys and then 3 kneel hold her down, it's clearly shown 5 standing and the 3 squatting guys (assumed guys) holding the little girl.
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In which one are there 8?
Yeah, we know that the video stolen pissed someone with power off, they killed Tuttle and made it look like an OD.
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Far left top pic, there are 5 masked men and in the far left middle pic there are 3 masked men holding Marie Fontenot down, 2 on the right and 1 on the left side looking at the screen shot. It's easier to see on the TV watching the show, as a pic of a fuzzy pic makes things worse. Those 2 pics are part of the same scene, it isn't the 5 guys and then 3 kneel hold her down, it's clearly shown 5 standing and the 3 squatting guys (assumed guys) holding the little girl.
yeah, that's why the whole 5 thing doesn't hold up.
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Far left top pic, there are 5 masked men and in the far left middle pic there are 3 masked men holding Marie Fontenot down, 2 on the right and 1 on the left side looking at the screen shot. It's easier to see on the TV watching the show, as a pic of a fuzzy pic makes things worse. Those 2 pics are part of the same scene, it isn't the 5 guys and then 3 kneel hold her down, it's clearly shown 5 standing and the 3 squatting guys (assumed guys) holding the little girl.
The top left pic is Dora Lange, not Marie Fontenot.
EDIT: I think you meant Far right. I talked about it below. I'll pay attention when I rewatch Ep 7.
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yeah, that's why the whole 5 thing doesn't hold up.
Yeah Johnny Joanie or Joanie Johnny, clearly relayed the very same scenario as the video to Rust in the bar scene. Although, JJ relayed it as a "dream" when we all know that wasn't a dream but probably the fact the kids were somehow drugged.
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EDIT: Nevermind. 8 guys on the actual vid.
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The top left pic is Dora Lange, not Marie Fontenot.
The other left......I meant right duh sorry bro. Just call me Private Pyle.
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I'll rewatch, but I thought it cut back to her being held down on the actual video. I didn't think it was a pan to 3 additional guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMpUgE78tlA
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The other left......I meant right duh sorry bro. Just call me Private Pyle.
Yeah, I figured it out.
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yeah, that's why the whole 5 thing doesn't hold up.
Of course it does. It just hits on the family thing. The five are the ones actually in the ritual. The three are the ones who gather and help. It makes a lot of sense that Ledoux is one of the 3. He's not a Tuttle.
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Of course it does. It just hits on the family thing. The five are the ones actually in the ritual. The three are the ones who gather and help. It makes a lot of sense that Ledoux is one of the 3. He's not a Tuttle.
The Ledouxs are possibly bastards of the Tuttle patriarch similar to Childress.
When the old black lady was talking about names , she couldn't remember exactly and said something similar to Ledoux.
edit: She said "Was it a Lebeau? or Childress?". Lebeau is pretty close to Ledoux, and her memory was clearly foggy.
on a side note, that was a great acting job by her. chilling
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She specifically mentioned the Childress's, I don't think she mentioned the Ledoux's.
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on a side note, that was a great acting job by her. chilling
Whoever did the casting for this show has done an incredible job.
All of the side characters have been excellent. The guy the Cohle visited in episode six ("...she heard him calling for her from under the water", Charlie Lange, Reggie LeDoux/DeWall, and Guy Francis...all of them killed it. Then this old woman comes along and outdoes them all.
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Whoever did the casting for this show has done an incredible job.
All of the side characters have been excellent. The guy the Cohle visited in episode six ("...she heard him calling for her from under the water", Charlie Lange, Reggie LeDoux/DeWall, and Guy Francis...all of them killed it. Then this old woman comes along and outdoes them all.
i mean, Reggie had like 3 lines of dialog...so I think killed it is a stretch. But he was cast well in terms of what he represented and his facial expressions were on point.
The mechanic/Ledeoux cousin was good too.
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Half the time when I read facebook now, I feel like posting this in a bunch of people (mostly female's) statuses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2hnPJf9yKE
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I can't see it since I'm at work, but is that Rust's "it's all about me!" rant?
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I can't see it since I'm at work, but is that Rust's "it's all about me!" rant?
yes
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Check this out I just found the entire videotape that Hart was really watching to convince him to help Cohle, what Cohle was really up to:
Guaranteed to make Heismanberg wear the skin off his penis away from fapping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU8TfVzbxGQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU8TfVzbxGQ)
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Slate has an article up with a video that allegedly has cracked the Yellow King identity. I don't want to check it, but I'm curious if it's a joke.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/03/05/true_detective_yellow_king_theory_video_compelling_new_evidence_was_right.html
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Slate has an article up with a video that allegedly has cracked the Yellow King identity. I don't want to check it, but I'm curious if it's a joke.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/03/05/true_detective_yellow_king_theory_video_compelling_new_evidence_was_right.html
It's a joke.
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It's a joke.
Watched. Not a very good one.
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When you see it.
(http://i.imgur.com/IGNFN9n.png)
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That is awesome
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That is awesome
ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
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Watched. Not a very good one.
painfully bad and unfunny
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Good interview with NP.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/true-dectective-finale-season-1-nic-pizzolatto
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Someone on Reddit who saw the last two episodes did a spoiler Q/A........
if you can't wait another few days you can get a decent idea.
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More than happy to wait.
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I waited this long, freak that, will not read.
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I waited this long, freak that, will not read.
This
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Someone on Reddit who saw the last two episodes did a spoiler Q/A........
if you can't wait another few days you can get a decent idea.
Why the hell would anyone want to read that?
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Going to rewatch the first four episodes tonight, then the next three tomorrow before the finale.
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I fell off the wagon there for a good amount of time, but I picked it all up today and shot through 5 episodes to catch up. I didn't rewatch everything like many of you apparently have, but there were a couple things I picked up on. I'm just going to throw a bunch of stuff at the wall because I have a lot running through my head after watching all of them and reading through this whole thread.
- The King in Yellow book of short stories has to have the strongest connections, though the lack of reference to it in the show is curious. Did I miss any reference to it? I'd figure that they might at least try to draw some meaning from the story, esp. with Carcossa attached to it. I'm pretty strongly with the theory that E put up a couple times that the Yellow King isn't a person, but rather some concept. In one of the quotes on the previous pages the creator said that we'd all understand what it's about after the last episode, which to me screams concept, not individual. I think that's a common thought here though.
- Also on the book of short stories, one of the more interesting ones, called "The Mask," is about an artist who discovers this liquid which turns living things into statues. The "statues" eventually come back to life after several years, connecting with the idea that death may not be what we think it is, which was discussed in ep. 7.
A couple cool lines that could connect to the show:
He held the lily toward me and I took it in my hand. It had turned to stone, to the purest marble.
"You see," he said, "it is without a flaw. What sculptor could reproduce it?"
This I pulled out because of the talk that a couple of the characters throw out about people being "flawed". Cohle was talking about it with the detectives (I forget which episode), and the ex-prostitute who was sexting Hart later on brought it up when she was with him outside the bar.
"Stay to lunch. Geneviève will be here directly."
"I saw her going to early mass," I said, "and she looked as fresh and sweet as that lily -- before you destroyed it."
"Do you think I destroyed it?" said Boris gravely.
"Destroyed, preserved, how can we tell?"
We sat in the corner of a studio near his unfinished group of "The Fates." He leaned back on the sofa, twirling a sculptor's chisel and squinting at his work.
This one was cool because of the talk about destroying vs. preserving. What they are doing to the kids is pretty much this because they are destroying the innocence of the kids (see Hart's daughter, who certainly appears to be a victim) but preserving them in that form (all of the pictures/videos). Or how about whether Hart destroyed his family by cheating on his wife, or preserved it by how much better they are all clearly doing once he wasn't around any more?
- The above short story is also significant because it opens by quoting "The King in Yellow" play:
CAMILLA: You sir, should unmask.
STRANGER: Indeed?
CASSILDA: Indeed it's time. We all have laid aside disguise but you.
STRANGER: I wear no mask.
CAMILLA: (Terrified, aside to Cassilda.) No mask? No mask!
THE KING IN YELLOW: Act 1-Scene 2d.
The above selection on its own is significant in my mind because it makes the man who has been in plain sight the whole time the scariest. Its comforting to viewers to unmask these bad men because it preserves this thought that the worst people hide in the shadows. This connects really well with the preacher scene in the third episode, when he was talking about the masks we all wear (masks of sin, very Jonathan Edwards/Puritan preacher).
I forget Hart and Cohle's exact conversation, but they argue about what would happen without religion in existence. Hart says it keeps a lot of the potentially bad people from acting out, but Cohle says he'd rather they be out in the open. They don't appear to be listening to the preacher's words, but they are talking about the same thing. That then relates to the way that the two men view their jobs, with Hart as the slow-playing, let things unfold, discover the evidence type, and Cohle who has that tunnel vision.
- That line in the first episode that has been brought up a few times here (making everything in the narrative fit to an early, biased opinion) is going to come back in a big way at the end. If they put the viewers on a certain path, then we're going to get hit very hard with reality in episode 8 (also factoring in the man w/o the mask quote from the play and the "the answers were right in front of you the whole time" comment from episode one). Which also reminds me, has Cohle been writing in the notebook all season? I know it was a big deal in ep. 1.
- Aaaand lastly, on that note, I bring this thought back up (which I think Iggy came up with some pages ago) about we as viewers acting as the pawns in the circle. Here's Cohle:
See, the preacher, he encourages your capacity for illusion.
Then he tells you it's a freaking virtue.
Always a buck to be had doing that, and it's such a desperate sense of entitlement, isn't it?
"Surely, this is all for me.
Me.
Me, me, me.
I, I.
I'm so freaking important.
I'm so freaking important, then, right?" freak you.
That's pretty much us, right now right? "Look what I can do, I can figure this out, I'm so smart." At this point, setting up the story to be SO incredibly ripe for speculation only to drop a way-too-simple explanation in the last episode about what's gone on the whole time would be perfect. The anger it inspires would fit in so well with what's gone on, because it will be inconsequential, those angry people will still go back and rewatch to see why the simple explanation occurred, thus jumping back in the cycle, thus proving how insignificant they truly are in the grand scheme of things.
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tl;dr Cane writes a long post before coming to conclusion his thoughts are worthless.
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tl;dr Cane writes a long post before coming to conclusion his thoughts are worthless.
I will definitely read it soon - probably during halftime of Duke/UNC.
One of my favorite things about this series is how much diverse discussion it's generated with so few episodes. I hope the second series is half as good.
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That was a great post, Cane. I haven't read most of The King in Yellow, but I did like that quote about masks when I saw it. Errol sure seemed to fit the guy who wears no mask.
I was curious why the show hasn't mentioned the book either. It would make sense that in 1995 they wouldn't be able to uncover it without much internet access/resources, but I'd imagine Cohle would have to have discovered the book in the interim.
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I was curious why the show hasn't mentioned the book either. It would make sense that in 1995 they wouldn't be able to uncover it without much internet access/resources, but I'd imagine Cohle would have to have discovered the book in the interim.
I'm going to assume the book doesn't exist in the TD universe.
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I'm going to assume the book doesn't exist in the TD universe.
Or TD exists in the book's universe.
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Or TD exists in the book's universe.
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That was a great post, Cane. I haven't read most of The King in Yellow, but I did like that quote about masks when I saw it. Errol sure seemed to fit the guy who wears no mask.
I was curious why the show hasn't mentioned the book either. It would make sense that in 1995 they wouldn't be able to uncover it without much internet access/resources, but I'd imagine Cohle would have to have discovered the book in the interim.
Because the book itself doesn't exist in that world.
It's just a mythos placed within itself
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Or TD exists in the book's universe.
Good thought Iggy, I didn't even think of that. And, it brings us to a whole new level of headsplosion.
Technically, the play, The King in Yellow, only exists in the short story anthology's universe, it doesn't even exist in real life outside of that anthology. That means that True Detective could be just another "Yellow King" short story for the anthology. This would make a lot of sense because most of the stories use "The Yellow King" (in play form) as something that helps to develop the main story rather than be the main story itself. That would mean that the Yellow King story is really just a side story to show the reader the development of the two lead characters, which you guys have been pretty much saying all along.
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I think people are reading way to much into Yellow King. Pizzolatto is using it as a mythos,a euphemism, not something concrete. At least I have seen him explain it that way.
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Btw I fully expect a logical normal ending to the show and a bunch of people to freak out over the ending. None here because I think we all get what the writer is trying to accomplish. With all the jumping around and other subterfuge a lot of people don't know what to expect and are crazy with their theories.
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Btw I fully expect a logical normal ending to the show and a bunch of people to freak out over the ending. None here because I think we all get what the writer is trying to accomplish. With all the jumping around and other subterfuge a lot of people don't know what to expect and are crazy with their theories.
Nothing ridiculous is going to happen, but I'm expecting an open ending.
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Nothing ridiculous is going to happen, but I'm expecting an open ending.
Open in the respect their not going to show what happens to the big guys that are covering up and leading the child and women disappearances sure, they don't have that kind of time. The lawnmower guy thing well be resolved in my opinion.
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Open in the respect their not going to show what happens to the big guys that are covering up and leading the child and women disappearances sure, they don't have that kind of time. The lawnmower guy thing well be resolved in my opinion.
I think the very first shot of the series may be the last scene we see.
Errol is going to get destroyed, I have no doubts about that. I think we'll be left in the dark about what happens with Cohle/Hart though.
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I think the very first shot of the series may be the last scene we see.
Errol is going to get destroyed, I have no doubts about that. I think we'll be left in the dark about what happens with Cohle/Hart though.
I think the very first scene was precisely what they made it out to be, the guy carrying Dora Lange and then starting the fire.
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I think people are reading way to much into Yellow King. Pizzolatto is using it as a mythos,a euphemism, not something concrete. At least I have seen him explain it that way.
I don't disagree, but there must be a reason why it was chosen. Even if it is some simple, base reason, it has to be a euphemism for something legitimate.
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Completed my 1-7 rewatch, ready for the finale.
Do you guys think we'll get to see Russ interrogate Steve or will they skip ahead like they did with Ginger?
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Completed my 1-7 rewatch, ready for the finale.
Do you guys think we'll get to see Russ interrogate Steve or will they skip ahead like they did with Ginger?
I don't think they're going to have to torture Steve, just get the black board where he admitted to freaking Bullock's horse.
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HBOGo being a complete turd right now.
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HBOGo being a complete turd right now.
I am not pleased right now.
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for ev
HBOGo being a complete turd right now.
For everybody.
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I'm guessing no one here actually has HBO and just uses someone else's Login/pw
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Time is a buffering circle
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I'm guessing no one here actually has HBO and just uses someone else's Login/pw
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That was beautiful.
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HBOGOfuckyourself
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Don't ever change man
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Why was Marty's younger daughter played by a 40-year old in that hospital scene?
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Why was Marty's younger daughter played by a 40-year old in that hospital scene?
rofl
she didn't look that old
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rofl
she didn't look that old
haha, maybe not, but she didn't look anything like the daughter.
"Oh pardon me, wrong room."
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Well, at least everyone can stop with the ridiculous theories when Season 2 starts.
nothing surprising or shocking. Was a pretty straightforward show.
I'm guessing it's probably gonna continue to be a conspiracy based show according to what NP said.
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I really want to watch that last scene again. I'm usually disappointed when a good series ends, but that last ten minutes was so damn powerful.
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That finale was an hour of massive turd. Six episodes of brilliance, one episode of setting us up for a big finale, one episode of complete letdown.
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I'm guessing no one here actually has HBO and just uses someone else's Login/pw
False. I have HBO. Just finished. I disagree completely with JE.
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That finale was an hour of massive turd. Six episodes of brilliance, one episode of setting us up for a big finale, one episode of complete letdown.
Walk into traffic
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I really want to watch that last scene again. I'm usually disappointed when a good series ends, but that last ten minutes was so damn powerful.
"...and then I woke up"
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I really want to watch that last scene again. I'm usually disappointed when a good series ends, but that last ten minutes was so damn powerful.
Best closing line I can remember.
"Remember, it was all darkness once. I'd say the light's winning."
Doubly awesome since I watched Cosmos with the kids earlier tonight.
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That was a perfect finale.
The mix of tension and creepiness in the Childress estate scenes was great. I'm glad we got a good couple scenes to decompress at the end, instead of ending it with Rust and Marty lying on the ground.
Going into it I had no idea if they would live or die, and they did well with the choice they made to have them both survive.
I could see a while ago that they were setting Rust up for a possible change of heart regarding life and the universe, and they managed to avoid cheesiness and gave him a believable way for that to play out. And he didn't do a 180 or anything, he just has a spark of hope in a world of suffering. His description of his NDE, along with Marty seeing his family, were both very powerful and moving moments.
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That was a perfect finale.
The mix of tension and creepiness in the Childress estate scenes was great. I'm glad we got a good couple scenes to decompress at the end, instead of ending it with Rust and Marty lying on the ground.
Going into it I had no idea if they would live or die, and they did well with the choice they made to have them both survive.
Yeah. And the way was great too. The stuff with Rust at the end was just...Rust. It wasn't too far from before. It wasn't that stereotypical "Saw the light! So bright and calling me!" Reminded me more of Beyond: Two Souls in a weird way, but way more grounded and less metaphysical.
I also liked that it was almost a throwaway that the others got away. That it was just expected.
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I also liked that it was almost a throwaway that the others got away. That it was just expected.
We got ours.
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So many loose ends that they couldn't be bothered tying up, and then let's chicken out with a nice happy ending - in the end it was just a regular psycho, and hey! Rust is a happy go lucky chap after all. How great!
I wouldn't really care if the first six episodes hadn't been so good.
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Can I just say that it was awesome after being laughed at about the whole Errol Lorre thing that the dude was whistling to draw the children in? I can't imagine that's coincidence. Slight homage, perhaps.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. William Lee Childress!
(http://i.imgur.com/vhTi5xl.jpg)
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So many loose ends that they couldn't be bothered tying up, and then let's chicken out with a nice happy ending - in the end it was just a regular psycho, and hey! Rust is a happy go lucky chap after all. How great!
I wouldn't really care if the first six episodes hadn't been so good.
Hahahahahahahaha
That's all this deserves
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. William Lee Childress!
(http://www.metal-archives.com/images/6/6/8/668.jpg)
Brilliant! You are my hero.
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His description of his NDE, along with Marty seeing his family, were both very powerful and moving moments.
Two broken men, each being brought to tears by the nearness of the family he had lost.
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Take off your mask.
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Glenn Fleshler doesn't look very tall. Not sure how they were trying to sell him
as a giant. The actor who played Reggie Ledeoux is like 6'6, so that part fit.
But Fleshler is looks maybe 5'11-6 ft.
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So many loose ends that they couldn't be bothered tying up, and then let's chicken out with a nice happy ending - in the end it was just a regular psycho, and hey! Rust is a happy go lucky chap after all. How great!
I wouldn't really care if the first six episodes hadn't been so good.
That was your run of the mill average psycho?
And to copy and paste since I already responded to 'happy go lucky Rust' on FB:
Rust isn't happy. The darkness is him, dude. For a while there, it was ALL darkness. He found one freaking thing. One tiny bit he could hold on to. Instead of just quashing it out by recognizing that as Marty said it's almost all darkness, he's at least allowing that tiny bit to spread. The nihilist finding one real, comforting feeling isn't happiness. It's just a little bit of light. There's a world of difference.
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That was your run of the mill average psycho?
Daryl Dixon could have taken down the whole Tuttle empire with nothing but his crossbow. Now that's television!
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I turned to my wife when Maggie was standing there and said "I don't like the look on her face." An hour later, Badger asks me "Is it weird that when maggie saw marty in the hospital there was a part of me that thought she might smother him with a pillow in the name of the yellow king?"
WHAT THE freak WAS UP WITH HER FACE
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I turned to my wife when Maggie was standing there and said "I don't like the look on her face." An hour later, Badger asks me "Is it weird that when maggie saw rust in the hospital there was a part of me that thought she might smother him with a pillow in the name of the yellow king?"
WHAT THE freak WAS UP WITH HER FACE
Weirdly flat. I agree.
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Daryl Dixon could have taken down the whole Tuttle empire with nothing but his crossbow. Now that's television!
"It doesn't pretend to be something it's not" !
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When P&G said Rust was still in his coma, I was expecting him to pass the same way his daughter did.
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When P&G said Rust was still in his coma, I was expecting him to pass the same way his daughter did.
He almost did, bro. He almost did.
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Album of the Yellow King shrine: http://imgur.com/a/hxt9k
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I think one problem JE may have is actually something that was alluded to earlier with his "Me Me Me" speech about how people think it's all for them. Sounds like JE may feel like the events of the show were all for Rust. In a way, that's kind of a solid assessment. I just don't have an issue with it as one component.
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We have confirmation that Nic's taking the show in a completely different direction next season, right? No Yellow King mythos at all? I only ask because of the "We got ours" line as though someone else may take down Edwin Tuttle.
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I think one problem JE may have is actually something that was alluded to earlier with his "Me Me Me" speech about how people think it's all for them. Sounds like JE may feel like the events of the show were all for Rust. In a way, that's kind of a solid assessment. I just don't have an issue with it as one component.
Honestly, I never really cared about the conspiracy, or the particulars of the cult. The show, to me, was always about Rust's and Marty's philosophical journeys. The case, the murders, they were merely the vehicle for their journeys.
The surviving conspirators or cultists or whatever, they're irrelevant. The case brought both of them where they needed to go.
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We have confirmation that Nic's taking the show in a completely different direction next season, right? No Yellow King mythos at all? I only ask because of the "We got ours" line as though someone else may take down Edwin Tuttle.
Completely different story with new characters
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Completely different story with new characters
That's what I thought. Good.
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That's what I thought. Good.
I'm hoping we get a small town murder mystery with a bunch of different characters.
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I'm hoping we get a small town murder mystery with a bunch of different characters.
I hope we get Monaghan in a different role just so we can see the Maggie face from the end again.
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I hope we get Monaghan in a different role just so we can see the Maggie face from the end again.
Monaghan and Whigham will hopefully come back.
This show needs Brad Dourif.
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Monaghan and Whigham will hopefully come back.
This show needs Brad Dourif.
I want Michael J. Anderson.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNUQINczgt0
(Skip to around 3:20 after the first few seconds)
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That's what I thought. Good.
He hinted at his fascination regarding the last 40 years of SoCal government.
It'll be conspiracy based whatever it is
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He hinted at his fascination regarding the last 40 years of SoCal government.
It'll be conspiracy based whatever it is
I saw that he mentioned Chinatown too.
That movie has to be one of his inspirations.
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I don't get what he's saying half the time.
http://m.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/true-detective-creator-nic-pizzolatto-looks-back-on-season-1/1
He's quite esoteric
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Another great thing about using The King In Yellow: it's a book of stories. They have a central theme, but they're all relatively unconnected. Great piece to use for the first season of an anthology show.
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I don't get what he's saying half the time.
http://m.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/true-detective-creator-nic-pizzolatto-looks-back-on-season-1/1
He's quite esoteric
Yeah, Johnny English needs to read that.
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The first 6 episodes were an order of magnitude better than the last 2. I liked the last 10 minutes more of episode 8 then I did the first 40.
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I don't get what he's saying half the time.
http://m.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/true-detective-creator-nic-pizzolatto-looks-back-on-season-1/1
He's quite esoteric
At least I know that I got exactly what he was going for:
Where we leave Cohle, this man hasn't made a 180 change or anything like that. He's moved maybe 5 degrees on the meter, but the optimistic metaphor he makes at the end, it's not sentimental; it's purely based on physics.
I could see a while ago that they were setting Rust up for a possible change of heart regarding life and the universe, and they managed to avoid cheesiness and gave him a believable way for that to play out. And he didn't do a 180 or anything, he just has a spark of hope in a world of suffering.
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The first 6 episodes were an order of magnitude better than the last 2. I liked the last 10 minutes more of episode 8 then I did the first 40.
You and JE deserve each other.
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Well, they're not exactly on the same page. Puck actually liked the last 10 minutes.
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You and JE deserve each other.
Lol continue on with your schtick, we all love it.
I suppose I have to like material that's derivative because you think it's the best ever and have zero capability of debating anything.
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Can you tell me anything at all about season 2?
Nic Pizzolatto: Okay. This is really early, but I'll tell you (it's about) hard women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation system.
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Well, they're not exactly on the same page. Puck actually liked the last 10 minutes.
I thought the first 40 was ok just not up to par with the first 6 hours. It was a little too derivative.
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Well, they're not exactly on the same page. Puck actually liked the last 10 minutes.
Siskel and Ebert
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Siskel and Ebert
Junc
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Siskel and Ebert
More like Bert and Ernie.
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Can you tell me anything at all about season 2?
Nic Pizzolatto: Okay. This is really early, but I'll tell you (it's about) hard women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation system.
Hell on Wheels 2: Steam-Powered Boogaloo
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I suppose I have to like material that's derivative because you think it's the best ever and have zero capability of debating anything.
There's no debate to be had here. You should move to Canada and gay marry JE. He'll probably let you ride on his shoulders as he watches Banshee while running on the treadmill.
"This is shite"
"No, no, no! It's not supposed to be good. It's like The Walking Dead. It's so entertaining..."
"Oh, I see. Put your Michonne costume back on, bundle of sticks"
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There's no debate to be had here. You should move to Canada and gay marry JE. He'll probably let you ride on his shoulders as he watches Banshee while running on the treadmill.
"This is shite"
"No, no, no! It's not supposed to be good. It's like The Walking Dead. It's so entertaining..."
"Oh, I see. Put your Michonne costume back on, bundle of sticks"
Mr. E keep up your schtick it's so fascinating, it's not like tired or anything. I love hearing how your opinion while completely wrong and bordering on retarded at times is always correct.
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http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/03/10/3381971/true-detective-failed/#
I offer this merely as a talking point, not necessarily agreement with all of its points. (I certainly agree with some of them, but I'm a little unsure on some of the gender politics.)
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Mr. E keep up your schtick it's so fascinating, it's not like tired or anything. I love hearing how your opinion while completely wrong and bordering on retarded at times is always correct.
Disagreeing with your opinion isn't "schtick"
Not saying that you have to like it. I'm just saying that if you didn't, you're wrong.
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Disagreeing with your opinion isn't "schtick"
Not saying that you have to like it. I'm just saying that if you didn't, you're wrong.
Where did I say I didn't like it?
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http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/03/10/3381971/true-detective-failed/#
I offer this merely as a talking point, not necessarily agreement with all of its points. (I certainly agree with some of them, but I'm a little unsure on some of the gender politics.)
It was never about the mystery.
The gender politicking surrounding this series is one of the most retarded arguments I have ever seen.
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http://deadspin.com/31-buddy-cop-cliches-on-true-detective-1540310306?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
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Where did I say I didn't like it?
You didn't like it enough, which is also wrong.
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You didn't like it as much as I liked it, which is also wrong.
Fixed that for you.
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Fixed that for you.
We are on the same page now.
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You know MR. E you have shown me the light. I actually don't like the first 40 much at all. Looking back it was all derivative hokey bullcrap. They ripped off a bunch of shows and real life stuff that first 40. Nothing original or good about it.
Yeah try and convince Steve that they're completely right, don't torture him make him watch the video, he will see our side and go all in with us. meh
The sniper scene, where did they rip that off from? Oh gee I don't know.
Go to the creepy serial killer house? Oh wow oh wow that wasn't some derivative writing stealing from the Red Dragon, Ed Gein. Oh yeah I have never seen excrement like that before that was so original and ground breaking stuff, not.
How about the weapons skills of Errol? Oh yeah a beaten loser, that sleeps with his own freaking sister is going to have knife fighting skills of a ninja warrior, yeah ok, nigga please.
Oh and the Criminal Minds investigation of the bodies and such, yawn.
Marty's family coming in and him crying, because he screwed up all his relationships with his women, yawn
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Go to the creepy serial killer house? Oh wow oh wow that wasn't some derivative writing stealing from the Red Dragon, Ed Gein. Oh yeah I have never seen excrement like that before that was so original and ground breaking stuff, not.
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Where in the hell else were they supposed to find him? Let's have our detectives arrest their villain while he's cutting some grass. That will be excellent.
Conveniently leave out the part where Cohle and Hart walk through Carcosa, one of the more original sets I've seen in my life. Instead of showing Carcosa, let's just not because Francis Dolarhyde lived in a house too.
That entire scene was (wait for it) perfect. Incredible tension throughout.
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http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/03/10/3381971/true-detective-failed/#
I offer this merely as a talking point, not necessarily agreement with all of its points. (I certainly agree with some of them, but I'm a little unsure on some of the gender politics.)
I assume this contains the bulk of your grievances:
What’s missing from this resolution is everything that made the show interesting. By the end of True Detective, “who killed Dora Lange” was no longer the show’s principal mystery. True Detective had always been a philosophical show, but the question of where it came down on Rust’s existential musings became hitched to broader questions: who was in on the conspiracy to cover up Errol Childress’ crimes? Was a U.S. Senator one of the five men whose rape and murder of young women was so violent that watching a tape of it reduced hardened cops to inchoate screaming? What, exactly, was the point of all of these ritual murders? If “Carcosa” was simply Errol’s name for his twisted playground, how did so many people know about it and The Yellow King?
TD was a character study, not a procedural. This isn't a retroactive rationalization about the finale, it's been discussed much earlier in the season. If you want everything solved and presented with a bow on it, watch NCIS.
At the risk of mixing your complaints with the complaints in the article, I don't see how the show can be accused of having a happy (and therefore sappy) ending if it's important to you that none of the "big men" involved got taken down. It parallels with the light vs. dark conversation at the end. Rust and Marty brought some light into a place where there was only darkness. They couldn't erase it all, but they made a difference.
Was there life beyond death, as the elderly woman in episode 7 said, or were we living in Rust’s godless world?
I have no idea if the author seriously expected the show to answer a question of this magnitude.
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http://deadspin.com/31-buddy-cop-cliches-on-true-detective-1540310306?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Marty's wound was to his right pectoral, not by his heart. Still pretty freaking gnarly.
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Where in the hell else were they supposed to find him? Let's have our detectives arrest their villain while he's cutting some grass. That will be excellent.
Conveniently leave out the part where Cohle and Hart walk through Carcosa, one of the more original sets I've seen in my life. Instead of showing Carcosa, let's just not because Red Dragon.
That entire scene was (wait for it) perfect. Incredible tension throughout.
Actually, it was a complete rip off of both Manhunter and the Red Dragon, 100%. In a creepy disgusting dilapidated house where their caretakers abused them. I am surprised that Errol didn't say the Yellow King was running rampant in Carcosa, I mean if you're going to steal might as well go all in.
Errol had his shirt off just like in the material mentioned above, showing the scars etc real original.
Errol using the mythos of the King in Yellow is no different than the mythos Thomas Harris used for Francis Dollarhyde, a William Blake painting, no freaking different.
Using an old civil war fort stolen or whatever the freak it was, was straight out of a James Patterson novel, true story from True Detective.
Of course it was perfect, you said it was 3 weeks ago, even though I pointed out a 100 different tired stolen ideas concepts. Yippee
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Thomas Harris
I knew it
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I knew it
He does have a point. For a pretty original show through the first half dozen episodes, it did fall back on some fairly well worn tropes in its big finale.
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I knew it
Tell me how I am wrong? Then.......
It's no more predictable then your effusive praise. Errol could have left a giant steamer on Cohle and you would have loved it. You're the most predictable person here.
It's no more predictable then me typing that I was underwhelmed by the first 40 minutes and who was going to spend his entire morning wiping their tears away because someone had the audacity to criticize TD. OMG how could he?
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He does have a point. For a pretty original show through the first half dozen episodes, it did fall back on some fairly well worn tropes in its big finale.
Thank you Bert.
or are you Ernie?
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Thank you Bert.
or are you Ernie?
Ernie's the fat one, so I'm Bert.
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Thank you Bert.
or are you Ernie?
You are Siskel.
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Actually, maybe Waldorf and Statler would be more like it.
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You are Siskel.
Is that your way of saying I should die in a fire?
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More from that article:
That’s also why Rust’s big conversion at the end fell so flat. Normally, I’m a sucker for an optimistic ending: one of the anti-hero age’s most problematic traits is the idea that good television is synonymous with dark television. So, in theory, the idea that Rust Cohle could be turned from his nihilism by “touching the Void” in a coma should resonate.
Big conversion? He didn't get it.
Again, directly from NP:
Where we leave Cohle, this man hasn't made a 180 change or anything like that. He's moved maybe 5 degrees on the meter, but the optimistic metaphor he makes at the end, it's not sentimental; it's purely based on physics.
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Tell me how I am wrong? Then.......
It's no more predictable then your effusive praise. Errol could have left a giant steamer on Cohle and you would have loved it. You're the most predictable person here.
It's no more predictable then me typing that I was underwhelmed by the first 40 minutes and who was going to spend his entire morning wiping their tears away because someone had the audacity to criticize TD. OMG how could he?
Thomas Harris can do no wrong. Your favorite series is a rehashed version of a couple movies that are superior to the television show...and you are complaining about originality?
There has never, ever been a character like Rust Cohle. The dialogue and direction were incredible as well.
Of course we're going to get some similar tropes in a detective series. This show was superior to most in the genre though.
The probability of it ending in a way that disappointed me was through the roof. It didn't though. It was a perfect finale for a great series.
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Someone who sacrificed his career on the alter of uncovering the Tuttle conspiracy should never be satisfied with simply catching the nastiest, least-powerful member of the clan. But, for mystifying reasons entirely disconnected to everything the show told us about Rust beforehand, he is.
Who says Rust is satisfied? Rust certainly didn't say that. Marty seems satisfied, because he's Marty, but at best Rust merely accepts the fact that he couldn't do more.
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Thomas Harris can do no wrong. Your favorite series is a rehashed version of a couple movies that are superior to the television show...and you are complaining about originality?
There has never, ever been a character like Rust Cohle. The dialogue and direction were incredible as well.
Of course we're going to get some similar tropes in a detective series. This show was superior to most in the genre though.
The probability of it ending in a way that disappointed me was through the roof. It didn't though. It was a perfect finale for a great series.
Dude Thomas Harris last 2 novels sucked major balls, I can criticize easily when it's warranted. You should try the same because you're so disingenuous about stuff while I am not!
Btw I wanted to tell you how dumb your criticism was about Hannibal but didn't because it's your opinion, no matter how ridiculous and I am not a douche nozzel like that. The show is an order of magnitude better than the movies and is getting better and more interesting. But you don't like a crime reporter that was in 2 episodes, lol ok.
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Dude Thomas Harris last 2 novels sucked major balls, I can criticize easily when it's warranted. You should try the same because you're so disingenuous about stuff while I am not!
Why would I criticize something that I don't have any issues with?
Btw I wanted to tell you how dumb your criticism was about Hannibal but didn't because it's your opinion, no matter how ridiculous and I am not a douche nozzel like that. The show is an order of magnitude better than the movies and is getting better and more interesting. But you don't like a crime reporter that was in 2 episodes, lol ok.
I don't have time for this. I need to go update my top secret crime gossip website.
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The probability of it ending in a way that disappointed me was through the roof. It didn't though. It was a perfect finale for a great series.
I'm wondering what possible ending wouldn't have been cliched.
-Rust and Marty die in Carcosa, having made the ultimate sacrifice to take out the bad guy.
-Rust dies, Marty stands over his grave and says goodbye.
-Marty dies, Rust stands over his grave and says goodbye.
-They manage to take down everyone involved. We see Marty frog-march Senator Tuttle in handcuffs, quipping "Save it for the judge!" before stuffing him into the back of the squad car.
-Marty's family was part of the cult all along, what a twist!
-Aliens.
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Cthulhu shows up
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Why would I criticize something that I don't have any issues with?
I don't have time for this. I need to go update my top secret crime gossip website.
You wanted to waste the morning because I had the audacity to criticize TD, now you have to lie in that bed, don't run you chicken.
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You wanted to waste the morning because I had the audacity to criticize TD, now you have to lie in that bed, don't run you chicken.
Time is a flat circle
(I'll be happy to excrement on Hannibal all afternoon)
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Stop describing what you're doing as audacious.
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I'm wondering what possible ending wouldn't have been cliched.
-Rust and Marty die in Carcosa, having made the ultimate sacrifice to take out the bad guy.
-Rust dies, Marty stands over his grave and says goodbye.
-Marty dies, Rust stands over his grave and says goodbye.
-They manage to take down everyone involved. We see Marty frog-march Senator Tuttle in handcuffs, quipping "Save it for the judge!" before stuffing him into the back of the squad car.
-Marty's family was part of the cult all along, what a twist!
-Aliens.
Well for all intents and purposes they made Errol a ninja warrior, they should have showed him calling Papanaia and Gillband from a Bahamian Island and really ripped off Thomas Harris.
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Time is a flat circle
(I'll be happy to excrement on Hannibal all afternoon)
Of course you will because you somehow think your transparent obviously retarded opinion will bother me. It won't.
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Stop describing what you're doing as audacious.
OMG someone disagrees with me, I must repsond, numerous times.
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This is going nowhere. Can we all at least just agree that despite its failings True Detective was a far better show than Breaking Bad, and then get on with the rest of our day in harmonious agreement?
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This is going nowhere. Can we all at least just agree that despite its failings True Detective was a far better show than Breaking Bad, and then get on with the rest of our day in harmonious agreement?
You might find more sympathy here, where they're asking the really important questions:
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This is going nowhere. Can we all at least just agree that despite its failings True Detective was a far better show than Breaking Bad, and then get on with the rest of our day in harmonious agreement?
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So Errol used the different accents to help with his facial injuries.
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http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/03/10/3381971/true-detective-failed/#
I offer this merely as a talking point, not necessarily agreement with all of its points. (I certainly agree with some of them, but I'm a little unsure on some of the gender politics.)
I actually think that guy missed the boat completely on the end. Hart and Cohle reach a common ground of accepting their own inadequacy and inability, and their discussion is whittling down to that agreement. He sees it as a cop out that they won't catch all of them, but that's reality. Both men have to accept that in the end, it may not have meant as much as they intended. The guy writing this feels like the end contrasts that, but I don't see it that way. It's the two of them finding common acceptance. Yes, for Hart it's tough to see that darkness is so much more prevalent than light. For Cohle, it's tough to accept that the little bit they did made any difference whatsoever. They find each other at last, though. They finally connect.
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You know MR. E you have shown me the light. I actually don't like the first 40 much at all. Looking back it was all derivative hokey bullcrap. They ripped off a bunch of shows and real life stuff that first 40. Nothing original or good about it.
Derivative hokey bullcrap? You can't possibly believe that. There's no such thing as complete originality. Not any more. It's absurd to expect it. True Detective was entirely admirable in that respect.
Yeah try and convince Steve that they're completely right, don't torture him make him watch the video, he will see our side and go all in with us. meh
He didn't go all in. He was obviously and understandably shaken by what he saw and his own role. In the end, though, he fought fought fought against the idea of simply following their commands.
The sniper scene, where did they rip that off from? Oh gee I don't know.
Phone Booth. Clearly.
Go to the creepy serial killer house? Oh wow oh wow that wasn't some derivative writing stealing from the Red Dragon, Ed Gein. Oh yeah I have never seen excrement like that before that was so original and ground breaking stuff, not.
How else were they going to find him? Did you want an episode of them going around every school, cemetery, and other parish property until they found the guy riding a mower?
How about the weapons skills of Errol? Oh yeah a beaten loser, that sleeps with his own freaking sister is going to have knife fighting skills of a ninja warrior, yeah ok, nigga please.
He stabbed Cohle and threw an axe at Hart. My neighbor had ninja stars when I was a kid because of TMNT. We threw them. They stuck in trees. We were children. It's not hard to throw something.
Oh and the Criminal Minds investigation of the bodies and such, yawn.
What...
Marty's family coming in and him crying, because he screwed up all his relationships with his women, yawn
Wait. Did you see the look on Maggie's face? You thought that was cliched? That whole scene was so wonderfully disconcerting.
I know you're pissed that Heismanberg is attacking you, but wow.
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Derivative hokey bullcrap? You can't possibly believe that. There's no such thing as complete originality. Not any more. It's absurd to expect it. True Detective was entirely admirable in that respect.
He didn't go all in. He was obviously and understandably shaken by what he saw and his own role. In the end, though, he fought fought fought against the idea of simply following their commands.
Phone Booth. Clearly.
How else were they going to find him? Did you want an episode of them going around every school, cemetery, and other parish property until they found the guy riding a mower?
He stabbed Cohle and threw an axe at Hart. My neighbor had ninja stars when I was a kid because of TMNT. We threw them. They stuck in trees. We were children. It's not hard to throw something.
What...
Wait. Did you see the look on Maggie's face? You thought that was cliched? That whole scene was so wonderfully disconcerting.
I know you're pissed that Heismanberg is attacking you, but wow.
Oh wonderful now I have both you and Heismanberg attacking me because I thought the last episode in your sacred cow sucked. Tell me where the originality is? It was all derived from Silence of the Lambs and The Red Dragon/Manhunter. So Errol was the Yellow King substitute William Blake it's the same damn thing, yawn. Hump someone else's leg.
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Oh wonderful now I have both you and Heismanberg attacking me because I thought the last episode in your sacred cow sucked. Tell me where the originality is? It was all derived from Silence of the Lambs and The Red Dragon/Manhunter. So Errol was the Yellow King substitute William Blake it's the same damn thing, yawn. Hump someone else's leg.
Countering your points is not attacking you. Telling you that you're throwing a hyperbole tantrum because you don't like being wrong is.
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Countering your points is not attacking you. Telling you that you're throwing a hyperbole tantrum because you don't like being wrong is.
I don't feel I am wrong. It felt like I was watching a tv show about the red Dragon mixed with a little Ed Gein, yippee. Whose throwing the tantrum? Why can't I criticize something around here that I thought was derivative?
Errol was freaking his sister for christ's sake, and then he went mad ninja GMAFB. They couldn't even show the scene where he was banging her, I would have liked the episode if they showed it, at least that would have been more original.
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http://badassdigest.com/2014/03/10/the-genius-of-true-detective-its-just-one-story/
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http://badassdigest.com/2014/03/10/the-genius-of-true-detective-its-just-one-story/
Lol why did he type in all caps, it's giving me a headache.
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Lol why did he type in all caps, it's giving me a headache.
Hulk
(it is really annoying)
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I hope we get Monaghan in a different role just so we can see the Maggie face from the end again.
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http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/03/10/3381971/true-detective-failed/#
I offer this merely as a talking point, not necessarily agreement with all of its points. (I certainly agree with some of them, but I'm a little unsure on some of the gender politics.)
By the end of True Detective, “who killed Dora Lange” was no longer the show’s principal mystery.
First reply to this article covers my response to this better than I can:
Just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean it failed. The show was never really about "Who killed Dora Lange?". Sure, that was the story in the background, but the show was a character study on two men, and how this case affected them, and to some degree, changed them. You failed at watching it. They didn't fail at delivering
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http://m.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/the-em-true-detective-em-finale-thats-it/284312/p
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http://m.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/the-em-true-detective-em-finale-thats-it/284312/p
I hate it when critics are idjits.
People who like it are probably just going to say "You just didn't get it!" Well, yes, because you didn't.
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I hate it when critics are idjits.
People who like it are probably just going to say "You just didn't get it!" Well, yes, because you didn't.
Ed Gein' s family and Thomas Harris lol.
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So Errol used the different accents to help with his facial injuries.
I read that Errol originally had a bad lisp, Mike Mayock was up for that part.
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Puck = Tardmond White
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Puck = Tardmond White
Armond Jew
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Who was Errol's sister she was hot.
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- Aaaand lastly, on that note, I bring this thought back up (which I think Iggy came up with some pages ago) about we as viewers acting as the pawns in the circle. Here's Cohle:
See, the preacher, he encourages your capacity for illusion.
Then he tells you it's a freaking virtue.
Always a buck to be had doing that, and it's such a desperate sense of entitlement, isn't it?
"Surely, this is all for me.
Me.
Me, me, me.
I, I.
I'm so freaking important.
I'm so freaking important, then, right?" freak you.
That's pretty much us, right now right? "Look what I can do, I can figure this out, I'm so smart." At this point, setting up the story to be SO incredibly ripe for speculation only to drop a way-too-simple explanation in the last episode about what's gone on the whole time would be perfect. The anger it inspires would fit in so well with what's gone on, because it will be inconsequential, those angry people will still go back and rewatch to see why the simple explanation occurred, thus jumping back in the cycle, thus proving how insignificant they truly are in the grand scheme of things.
I was right.
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just saw the finale, great ending. This show was about Rust and Marty, not the whodunit murder mystery. that's why it's original and not some contrived Hannibal lector ripoff bullshit. can't wait to see next seasons story and cast.
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Overall I give season 1 of True Detective an 8/10. Much of it was excellent, but there were also some bum notes.
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I am amazed that people like this are actually paid to write
http://nypost.com/2014/03/11/we-all-look-like-suckers-again-as-true-detective-fizzles-out/
After reading this tonight, along with a Gary Myers article (related to Revis, but equally as trash) I'm convinced you don't need any real skills to get a job at a newspaper. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/myers-revis-block-jets-bring-corner-back-article-1.1717809
Basically, the author of the NYpost article could have basically spent 3 minutes reading a Nick P interview and have had these questions answered instead of blindly writing a stupid garbage opinion piece. It's not like he even bothered to do any research and then form a rebuttal. At least then it would have some respectability, but this is just blatant garbage.
edit: apparently this guy wrote speeches for Regan and Bush, which is both alarming yet unsurprising
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^---lol....I got into a twitter fight with this guy.
@jpodhoretz Instead of spending 3 mins reading any 1 of various NickP interviews and forming a rebuttal, you put out this unresearched trash
him: "Brilliant riposte"
@jpodhoretz Character limitations. Doesn't explain why you didn't try to understand the writers thought process and then dispute from there.
@jpodhoretz Much of the questions you posed were addressed in his interviews.Whether you agree or not is one thing,but this was lazy writing
Him: it's embarrassing for you to say I'm supposed to look up answers in interviews to understand a plot. I'm ashamed for you.
@jpodhoretz A plot? Who said anything about a plot? This is about creative intent and direction. "Write something without doing research!"
Him: You're the very definition of a sucker
-He quickly deleted every tweet but one. Couldn't resort to anything but throwing insults
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Suckers? What a stupid mindset to have.
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Suckers? What a stupid mindset to have.
This is the same guy who wrote a book about George W Bush and declared him "The first great leader of the 21st century"
Of course that's something I realized after the fact, otherwise I wouldn't even have bothered acknowledging this guy
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This is the same guy who wrote a book about George W Bush and declared him "The first great leader of the 21st century"
Of course that's something I realized after the fact, otherwise I wouldn't even have bothered acknowledging this guy
Say this to him about his last insult, " That's high praise from a bartender."
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Relevant to this thread:
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Relevant to this forum:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/12/sasha-grey-on-her-secret-true-detective-cameo-open-windows-and-the-duke-porn-star-backlash.html
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Relevant to this forum:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/12/sasha-grey-on-her-secret-true-detective-cameo-open-windows-and-the-duke-porn-star-backlash.html
I went to Russia and Siberia and other fucked up places and I’ve met tons of women who have told me, “You’ve changed my life.”
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I didn't read past the first section.
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I didn't read past the first section.
And you're wiser for it.
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Use the real deal:
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Why do I keep opening this thread at work?
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http://imgur.com/a/LJx2C#0
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Why do I keep opening this thread at work?
'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again
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'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again
That sucks, it means I'm going to have to keep monumentally freaking up my guaranteed shag with Alison Clark by puking on her lap over and over and over again. Can't imagine she'll be too pleased about having to go through that again either.
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Just watched the first episode. Great acting. I'm hooked.
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And you're wiser for it.
Turns out the photographer denies it's her anyway.
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That sucks, it means I'm going to have to keep monumentally freaking up my guaranteed shag with Alison Clark by puking on her lap over and over and over again. Can't imagine she'll be too pleased about having to go through that again either.
It's a life full of violence and degradation, you should tie it off.
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Great season. The dialogue and acting was top notch, mostly from the Marty and Rust though obviously. Which is the scene that Heismanberg said was the greatest scene in the history of tv? I didn't see anything like that.
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Great season. The dialogue and acting was top notch, mostly from the Marty and Rust though obviously. Which is the scene that Heismanberg said was the greatest scene in the history of tv? I didn't see anything like that.
The six minute tracking shot at the end of the fourth episode, the shootout in the projects.
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The six minute tracking shot at the end of the fourth episode, the shootout in the projects.
Yeah that was awesome. One of the best shot scenes ever, not plot wise though. I wasn't really on the edge of my seat all that much.
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Great season. The dialogue and acting was top notch, mostly from the Marty and Rust though obviously. Which is the scene that Heismanberg said was the greatest scene in the history of tv? I didn't see anything like that.
It was the scene where Errol makes love to his sister.
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It was the scene where Errol makes love to his sister.
Make flowers!
So the Tuttle family used Errol to kidnap girls for their rituals?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/true-detective-season-2-brad-pitt-rumoured-to-replace-matthew-mcconaughey-9196502.html
Brad Pitt rumored for S2.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. William Lee Childress!
(http://i.imgur.com/vhTi5xl.jpg)
*standing ovation*
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Is woody still gonna be there?
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Is woody still gonna be there?
what?
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what?
Just look at the avatar, then read the post, and your questions will no longer matter.
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Avoided this thread like the plague. Finally watched it marathon style.
Epic Woody and Matt. Ep 2, best funbags ever, ever (ever). Great show, but to be entirely honest, it was like the best 8 hours of SVU ever made. That's not a bad thing. Was expecting more at the end, but MM's rants throughout were terrific, so worth the price of admission for sure.
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Finally watched it marathon style.
no
why would you do that?
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great fan art
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no
why would you do that?
Because
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what?
I know Matt definitely won't be back next season, and I heard that each season is going to be independent of the previous one, but was wondering if woody will find his way back anyway.
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I know Matt definitely won't be back next season, and I heard that each season is going to be independent of the previous one, but was wondering if woody will find his way back anyway.
Doubt that he comes back
We'll probably see a few of the minor characters return in different roles, but not the two leads.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W6g0PS_zvE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbO61Nd0Jlk
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That's awesome.
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I finally finished up the series this weekend. I just spent most of my lunch reading the almost 50 pages of this thread. I can certainly see why people enjoyed it but it wasn't really for me. I will say MM's performance was worth all of the time spent watching, but I highly doubt I'll be back for season 2.
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I finally finished up the series this weekend. I just spent most of my lunch reading the almost 50 pages of this thread. I can certainly see why people enjoyed it but it wasn't really for me. I will say MM's performance was worth all of the time spent watching, but I highly doubt I'll be back for season 2.
Watch Hannibal, after all, this show took a lot of its material from that show.
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Watch Hannibal, after all, this show took a lot of its material from that show.
I'm not getting roped into that argument you and H had. ;)
As for Hannibal, I've seen a couple of episodes. It's ok. It's not for me either.
In general, I only watch completely unrealistic things. I don't care about superior acting, or fantastic camera work, or elite screenwriting. The shows I watch are Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, Arrow, Revolution, Defiance, Agents of SHIELD, Modern Family, Cougartown and The Middle.
Three of those are comedies and only one is critically acclaimed. All of the others are sci-fi/fantasy. Apart from GoT, I don't see too many Emmys in the future on my list. But I don't watch TV for the same reasons someone like Heismanberg does. When I read the argument about the "one of the best scenes ever" I had to go look up what a "long shot" was.
Like I said, I can certainly see why certain people enjoyed it so much. It just wasn't for me. I will say, unlike with LOST, I didn't feel like I wasted the time I invested into the show.
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I'm not getting roped into that argument you and H had. ;)
As for Hannibal, I've seen a couple of episodes. It's ok. It's not for me either.
In general, I only watch completely unrealistic things. I don't care about superior acting, or fantastic camera work, or elite screenwriting. The shows I watch are Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, Arrow, Revolution, Defiance, Agents of SHIELD, Modern Family, Cougartown and The Middle.
Three of those are comedies and only one is critically acclaimed. All of the others are sci-fi/fantasy. Apart from GoT, I don't see too many Emmys in the future on my list. But I don't watch TV for the same reasons someone like Heismanberg does. When I read the argument about the "one of the best scenes ever" I had to go look up what a "long shot" was.
Like I said, I can certainly see why certain people enjoyed it so much. It just wasn't for me. I will say, unlike with LOST, I didn't feel like I wasted the time I invested into the show.
Hahahaah I wasn't being serious, Hannibal isn't for everyone, I honestly believe it's one of the better shows on TV.
As far as that list you have there: I will say if people can get over the fact it's on The CW, Arrow is a great show. It's very similar to Batman Begins origin stories, I do love the show it's very entertaining. GoT is obviously one of the better ones on TV. Wow, Defiance is horrible (I watched it), TWD is pretty bad, the others I don't watch at all, save for Modern Family which is AD light, it's ok if I am bored, I have seen 5-6 episodes total.
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Hahahaah I wasn't being serious, Hannibal isn't for everyone, I honestly believe it's one of the better shows on TV.
As far as that list you have there: I will say if people can get over the fact it's on The CW, Arrow is a great show. It's very similar to Batman Begins origin stories, I do love the show it's very entertaining. GoT is obviously one of the better ones on TV. Wow, Defiance is horrible (I watched it), TWD is pretty bad, the others I don't watch at all, save for Modern Family which is AD light, it's ok if I am bored, I have seen 5-6 episodes total.
Saying something is "horrible" simply because it doesn't offer you what you're looking for is the same thing you knocked Heismanberg for earlier in the thread (and he knocked you for doing it too).
Defiance is on SyFy. It's not Emmy-winning television. It's basically B-movies, and TV shows of generally equal quality. I'm not watching Defiance for A-list script or acting. I'm watching because it's basically a space Western that just happens to be occurring on Earth. I like the aliens and scenery. Just like I like the zombies in TWD.
Imagine how great the world would be if we all just agreed on everything.
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Imagine how great the world would be if we all just agreed on everything.
That sounds terrible, freak you.
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Saying something is "horrible" simply because it doesn't offer you what you're looking for is the same thing you knocked Heismanberg for earlier in the thread (and he knocked you for doing it too).
Defiance is on SyFy. It's not Emmy-winning television. It's basically B-movies, and TV shows of generally equal quality. I'm not watching Defiance for A-list script or acting. I'm watching because it's basically a space Western that just happens to be occurring on Earth. I like the aliens and scenery. Just like I like the zombies in TWD.
Imagine how great the world would be if we all just agreed on everything.
FYI, How did Heismanberg knock me for saying something is terrible, I liked TD but not as much as him. What I did to Heismanberg was a ruse, you can ask Badger, it was a joke to bust his balls. I am sure he realized it sooner than I think but I did get him. If you think I am lying about that, I told Badger I was going to do it.
Alio, I watched Defiance, all the episodes with my wife. If that doesn't qualify me to critique a show as being awful, nothing does. Do you really want me to sit here and pick it apart? It won't do either of us any good.
If you want my perfect version of a B-movie Space Western, try Firefly. If you have watched it, I would be a monkeys uncle if you didn't love everything about it.
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT
THAT lover of the older lady ALIO IS STARTING excrement WITH ME BECAUSE I PICKED ON A SHOW FROM HIS LIST. I AM NOT JUST GOING TO LIE DOWN AND TAKE IT.
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Hahaha, I'm not starting excrement. I just think saying something is "terrible" is ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
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If you don't think you'll like it for completely nonsensical reasons, don't watch it.
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Hahaha, I'm not starting excrement. I just think saying something is "terrible" is ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Have you watched Firefly?
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Have you watched Firefly?
I will ban Alio if he hasn't seen Firefly.
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TD suffered from a 'meh' ending. Not bad mind you, just with all the possibilities they created it didn't give the payoff you were expecting.
They could have gone further with MM's insomnia hallucinations for sure. And Woody was a psychopath waiting to happen, and other than the beatdown in the jail, it never really happened.
Other than that the story and performances were great. Well worth the 8 hours invested.
And if Alio hasn't watched Firefly, I would be speechless...
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TD suffered from a 'meh' ending.
The ending was perfect. You made a mistake marathoning it.
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The ending was perfect. You made a mistake marathoning it.
I still fail to see how that was a mistake.
Would there have been an alternate ending to ep8 if I had waited?
In one of the earlier episodes Woody goes to his crazy daughters room. She has a crayon sketch of the the killer on her door, not to mention what she was drawing in her room at the time. She just went psycho slut instead of that scene having any actual significance. Would have liked them to tie that all in as well.
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I still fail to see how that was a mistake.
Would there have been an alternate ending to ep8 if I had waited?
You didn't stop to think about what was happening. You just zoomed through it and missed what was actually happening.
Cohle and Hart were never going to take down everyone. That was not realistic. They got their guy and that was enough.
In one of the earlier episodes Woody goes to his crazy daughters room. She has a crayon sketch of the the killer on her door, not to mention what she was drawing in her room at the time. She just went psycho slut instead of that scene having any actual significance. Would have liked them to tie that all in as well.
Bold is false.
She became that way because her dad was a neglectful piece of excrement. That was pretty apparent by the end of the series. He fucked up his family.
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TD suffered from a 'meh' ending. Not bad mind you, just with all the possibilities they created it didn't give the payoff you were expecting.
They could have gone further with MM's insomnia hallucinations for sure. And Woody was a psychopath waiting to happen, and other than the beatdown in the jail, it never really happened.
Other than that the story and performances were great. Well worth the 8 hours invested.
And if Alio hasn't watched Firefly, I would be speechless...
I wasn't a huge fan of the ending either, but I'm going to wait and see where S2 picks up before I decide on it - it was unsatisfying because so much was left unanswered, but at the same time it means that the opportunities to pick up multiple story strands and start weaving them with new ones are huge.
I've never seen Firefly, but I do like Joss Whedon. Hopefully Badge won't ban me if I promise to watch it soon.
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...why do you think you're getting answers in season 2?
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You didn't stop to think about what was happening. You just zoomed through it and missed what was actually happening.
Cohle and Hart were never going to take down everyone. That was not realistic. They got their guy and that was enough.
Bold is false.
She became that way because her dad was a neglectful piece of excrement. That was pretty apparent by the end of the series. He fucked up his family.
I give my full attention to anything worth watching. This was worth watching so I did just that. At the end of the day they took down pretty much anyone that mattered, so I don't understand your point. I actually had to wait a day on ep8 because we went out, so 'marathon' might not be the perfect word for how I watched it.
I will go back and watch again to see I can get a pic of it, but I am 90% sure that that the killers drawing was on her door.
Maybe I just felt like after a relatively slow paced (not a complaint) 7 episodes the 8th felt rushed in comparison. So many things were left unsaid or unexplained.
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...why do you think you're getting answers in season 2?
They did say that each season would be a new story with new lead characters, but that doesn't necessarily stop them from revisiting some of season one's story. Unlike how AHS does it (completely different story each year), they could keep the same world but from an entirely different perspective, which could be sort of awesome if you think about it.
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So many things were left unsaid or unexplained.
Like?
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...why do you think you're getting answers in season 2?
I didn't say anything about getting answers.
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I didn't say anything about getting answers.
Why do you think they're going to pick up any of the same story strands?
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Why do you think they're going to pick up any of the same story strands?
Because it would be annoying if they don't.
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I will go back and watch again to see I can get a pic of it, but I am 90% sure that that the killers drawing was on her door.
I never saw that come up, and people combed through the series pretty closely.
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Because it would be annoying if they don't.
Why? The story in the first season is over.
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Because it would be annoying if they don't.
Good thing you have a year to prepare yourself for that possibility.
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Like?
Primarily the things I mentioned. The hallucinations and the daughters drawings. They seemed to be taking a certain tack early on and ended up going with a pretty straightforward whodunit. I could make the assumption that the hallucinations allowed him to see things in a different way and the daughter may have found some evidence around the house, but that just seems too easy. When you have 8 hours to tell a story it just seemed wasteful to be needlessly tangential for half of them.
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Primarily the things I mentioned. The hallucinations and the daughters drawings. They seemed to be taking a certain tack early on and ended up going with a pretty straightforward whodunit. I could make the assumption that the hallucinations allowed him to see things in a different way and the daughter may have found some evidence around the house, but that just seems too easy. When you have 8 hours to tell a story it just seemed wasteful to be needlessly tangential for half of them.
His hallucinations (except for the final one at Carcosa) were all because of drugs.
It was always supposed to be a straight forward crime story. The writer said this multiple times in interviews.
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Like?
Why is Hurley still fat doe
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I guess I'm getting hit with the ban stick because I've never seen Firefly, unless the Serenity movie counts.
As for True Detective, the ending was fine I thought. It fit with the show. Unlike LOST, I wasn't under any false assumptions about the "why" of watching the show. I didn't expect supernatural horror or some big twist at the end.
True Detective was a show for people who love the art of cinema. I'm just not one of those people. My eldest son is (I'm actually going to see his film debut tonight). He loved everything about TD. Different strokes for different folks.
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Seeing Serenity gives you a 90-day grace period to watch Firefly.
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Seeing Serenity gives you a 90-day grace period to watch Firefly.
I still think he should have some sort of punishment, it's unconscionable a guy that professes his love for B-movie Space Westerns has not seen Firefly. A punishment is most definitely warranted here.
Good lord if he loves Defiance, Firefly might just be his favorite TV show ever.
Alio, FYI the show itself is an order of magnitude better than the movie and I like the movie a great deal.
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I still think he should have some sort of punishment, it's unconscionable a guy that professes his love for B-movie Space Westerns has not seen Firefly. A punishment is most definitely warranted here.
How about create a special forum that only you and Alio can get into and you will both have your rights to post in or view all other forums revoked? His punishment will be to have to spend a week talking to you and only you.
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Seeing Serenity gives you a 90-day grace period to watch Firefly.
You may as well ban me now.
I still think he should have some sort of punishment, it's unconscionable a guy that professes his love for B-movie Space Westerns has not seen Firefly. A punishment is most definitely warranted here.
Good lord if he loves Defiance, Firefly might just be his favorite TV show ever.
Alio, FYI the show itself is an order of magnitude better than the movie and I like the movie a great deal.
I don't "love" Defiance. I just enjoy it. Mostly for the costumes/scenery. I wasn't trying to profess a love for space westerns either. In general, I don't even particularly like space movies/tv shows.
I'm familiar with Firefly. My son asks me to watch a lot (I get pretty much the same hard time from him as I get from people here). He tells me how much I'll love it. I don't care to invest the time to watch.
Honestly, if it wasn't for living with a wife and a son who are addicted to TV, my 2nd oldest and myself would be camped in front of the TV playing video games and watching Yankees, Jets, and Knicks games. The majority of what I watch is because my wife and oldest put it on during dinner and I sit through it.
I don't know why I keep having this same conversation. "Time is a flat circle." F you Cohle!
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How about create a special forum that only you and Alio can get into and you will both have your rights to post in or view all other forums revoked? His punishment will be to have to spend a week talking to you and only you.
Ban me! BAN ME NOW!!!!
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Oldio
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How about create a special forum that only you and Alio can get into and you will both have your rights to post in or view all other forums revoked? His punishment will be to have to spend a week talking to you and only you.
GFY
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You may as well ban me now.
I don't "love" Defiance. I just enjoy it. Mostly for the costumes/scenery. I wasn't trying to profess a love for space westerns either. In general, I don't even particularly like space movies/tv shows.
I'm familiar with Firefly. My son asks me to watch a lot (I get pretty much the same hard time from him as I get from people here). He tells me how much I'll love it. I don't care to invest the time to watch.
Honestly, if it wasn't for living with a wife and a son who are addicted to TV, my 2nd oldest and myself would be camped in front of the TV playing video games and watching Yankees, Jets, and Knicks games. The majority of what I watch is because my wife and oldest put it on during dinner and I sit through it.
I don't know why I keep having this same conversation. "Time is a flat circle." F you Cohle!
You have got to be the strangest cat here. Firefly has 13 episodes and you're acting like we're asking you to spend the next six weeks with toothpicks in your eyes watching Rosie O'donnel trim her pubes. It's not a big committment, surely if you can spend 8 hours with Defiance you can spend 13 watching a show several orders of magnitude better from the same exact genre. In fact I would go so far as to say Defiance is emulating Firefly a little bit.
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You have got to be the strangest cat here. Firefly has 13 episodes and you're acting like we're asking you to spend the next six weeks with toothpicks in your eyes watching Rosie O'donnel trim her pubes. It's not a big committment, surely if you can spend 8 hours with Defiance you can spend 13 watching a show several orders of magnitude better from the same exact genre. In fact I would go so far as to say Defiance is emulating Firefly a little bit.
I have no issue saying I'm a very different style of TV-watcher than most people. As I've said, if not for my wife and eldest son, I wouldn't watch any TV that wasn't live sports.
All of the shows I watch are on during dinner each night. We eat and watch an episode of something before my wife goes to work. Then I put on either the Yankees or Knicks or play a video game on nights none of my teams are playing.
I'd never sit and watch anything on my own. I'd be asleep in 10 minutes. My wife actually gets irritated with me because I won't sit through 2 episodes of shows in a row on the weekend. I can barely get through one. I forced myself through the last couple of TDs this past weekend just to be done with it.
My wife has to drag me to the movies too. She just dragged me to see Captain America a couple of weeks ago, otherwise I would never have gone to see it (and I wanted to see it). I'm just not big on watching TV/movies. Even as a kid I would sit and read while everyone else watched TV.
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I have no issue saying I'm a very different style of TV-watcher than most people. As I've said, if not for my wife and eldest son, I wouldn't watch any TV that wasn't live sports.
All of the shows I watch are on during dinner each night. We eat and watch an episode of something before my wife goes to work. Then I put on either the Yankees or Knicks or play a video game on nights none of my teams are playing.
I'd never sit and watch anything on my own. I'd be asleep in 10 minutes. My wife actually gets irritated with me because I won't sit through 2 episodes of shows in a row on the weekend. I can barely get through one. I forced myself through the last couple of TDs this past weekend just to be done with it.
My wife has to drag me to the movies too. She just dragged me to see Captain America a couple of weeks ago, otherwise I would never have gone to see it (and I wanted to see it). I'm just not big on watching TV/movies. Even as a kid I would sit and read while everyone else watched TV.
If live sports is your bag, what's your freaking excuse for not coming to the tailgate? You can't say you want to catch up with Designing Women episodes.
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If live sports is your bag, what's your freaking excuse for not coming to the tailgate? You can't say you want to catch up with Designing Women episodes.
Hahaha, I love watching live sports, but I hate going to stadiums. I will admit I've considered showing for the tailgate a few times, and it may happen one of these years, but otherwise, I have no desire to sit in traffic, have a shitty view, and listen to uninformed drunkard idiots while I'm trying to enjoy the game.
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and listen to informed drunkard know-it-alls while I'm trying to enjoy the game.
Fixed your post
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True... You would have to consider your company. I can't wait to get drunk and bitch about the Jets at a game with this crew one of these days.
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True... You would have to consider your company. I can't wait to get drunk and bitch about the Jets at a game with this crew one of these days.
One of these days? See you in twenty years.
Also if Heismannoshowberg doesn't fit the description of drunken know it all's, nobody does.
Hahaha, I love watching live sports, but I hate going to stadiums. I will admit I've considered showing for the tailgate a few times, and it may happen one of these years, but otherwise, I have no desire to sit in traffic, have a shitty view, and listen to uninformed drunkard idiots while I'm trying to enjoy the game.
Jesus, you can make a dream where 5 beautiful horny blonds that only want to freak get stuck on a deserted island with you, a nightmare, because a few broads weren't brunettes.
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Jesus, you can make a dream where 5 beautiful horny blonds that only want to freak get stuck on a deserted island with you, a nightmare, because a few broads weren't brunettes.
I don't think it's a huge leap to imagine that spending several hours with a bunch of fat drunk shouting men in a freezing cold parking lot in New Jersey before paying twelve bucks a go for beer while watching your team get smoked in a windswept soulless bowl and then have to sit in shitty traffic for hours, might not be the most fun thing in the world to do. The fact that we think it is probably says more about our pathetically low standards of entertainment than anything else.
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I don't think it's a huge leap to imagine that spending several hours with a bunch of fat drunk shouting men in a freezing cold parking lot in New Jersey before paying twelve bucks a go for beer while watching your team get smoked in a windswept soulless bowl and then have to sit in shitty traffic for hours, might not be the most fun thing in the world to do. The fact that we think it is probably says more about our pathetically low standards of entertainment than anything else.
Somebody gets it.
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Only about half the games are cold. And I've never had a bad tailgate party. The kind of people you'll be surrounded by in your seats is a crapshoot though, especially in the new stadium.
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Somebody gets it.
I didn't say you were right or that you're not a massive gaping soggy hoo-ha for being all scared of actually coming to a tailgate, just that I could understand why you might think the way you do.
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I didn't say you were right or that you're not a massive gaping soggy hoo-ha for being all scared of actually coming to a tailgate, just that I could understand why you might think the way you do.
Well, words only bother me when I can dispute them.
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http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/05/mr-skin-has-essentially-named-the-best-sex-scene-of-2014-already-and-hes-not-wrong/
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http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/05/mr-skin-has-essentially-named-the-best-sex-scene-of-2014-already-and-hes-not-wrong/
I cannot disagree. Best funbags on any screen in years.
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Alexandra Daddario is fuggin smokin.
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Alexandra Daddario is fuggin smokin.
Dem titz
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Dem titz
dat derriere tambien!
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Nerdist – It’s hard to deny the most impactful show of the last season was HBO’s True Detective. From the word “go,” audiences were instantly on board with the twenty year journey of Rust and Marty to find the elusive Yellow King. In the end, the series reached massive critical acclaim and was confirmed to be seeking a full blown Outstanding Drama Series for HBO come Emmy time. But with all this critical acclaim comes questions, since the series exists in an anthology format that would completely retool the cast and story arc in Season 2. The major question looming over next year’s production? Who is going to lead the charge? Recent rumors have stated series creator Nic Pizzolatto was seeking a female-driven cast for Season 2 of the hit HBO series, and now today, Nerdist has learned exclusively one of the names that may be on the bill in 2015: Jessica Chastain. According to sources, the Zero Dark Thirty actress has been offered a leading role in the second season but has yet to accept. As for official confirmation, we reached out to representatives for Chastain, who have declined to comment at this time. This would be a major land for the HBO series. Chastain has taken off since Zero Dark Thirty (Interstellar, anyone?), and as she continues to rise, it would be fascinating to see what she could do with a character over a ten-episode arc. As for who would stand alongside the Academy Award-nominated actress, that’s anyone’s guess, but for now, this is the best result we could have asked for.
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ugh
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ugh
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She would be terrific.
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She would be terrific.
SFD wanted Lena Dunham.
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Brad Pitt was offered a lead role too
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SFD wanted Lena Dunham.
SFD?
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Brad Pitt was offered a lead role too
Would not be a fan of this, though it could make up for the fact that he hasn't done anything reasonably good since Fight Club and Seven. Has he done anything good in the last 15 years?
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Would not be a fan of this, though it could make up for the fact that he hasn't done anything reasonably good since Fight Club and Seven. Has he done anything good in the last 15 years?
To name a few: The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The Tree of Life, Inglorious Basterds, 12 Years a Slave, Babel, Burn After Reading, Ocean's Eleven
(also Sleepers and Snatch, but those are older than 15 years)
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Brad Pitt was offered a lead role too
Only if he spoke like a Pikey.
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To name a few: The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The Tree of Life, Inglorious Basterds, 12 Years a Slave, Babel, Burn After Reading, Ocean's Eleven
(also Sleepers and Snatch, but those are older than 15 years)
Snatch isn't older than 15 years. I'd add Moneyball to the list too.
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Would not be a fan of this, though it could make up for the fact that he hasn't done anything reasonably good since Fight Club and Seven. Has he done anything good in the last 15 years?
I was going to ask if this was a joke, but Heismanberg gave a serious response, so I'll leave it alone.
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Only if he spoke like a Pikey.
...a caravan...?
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Snatch isn't older than 15 years. I'd add Moneyball to the list too.
For some reason I thought it came out in '99. Forgot about Moneyball.
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To name a few: The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The Tree of Life, Inglorious Basterds, 12 Years a Slave, Babel, Burn After Reading, Ocean's Eleven
(also Sleepers and Snatch, but those are older than 15 years)
I found him expendable in most of those movies, as in any other actor could have had the part. He was certainly brilliant in Snatch, but that's an old derriere movie too. 12 Monkeys as well.
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I was going to ask if this was a joke, but Heismanberg gave a serious response, so I'll leave it alone.
Obviously not joking. Matt and Woody stole every scene in every movie they have been in. Brad just kind of blends in most of the time. I gave him kudos for Fight Club, but Norton ruled that movie too.
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Obviously not joking. Matt and Woody stole every scene in every movie they have been in. Brad just kind of blends in most of the time. I gave him kudos for Fight Club, but Norton ruled that movie too.
How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days and Failure to Launch was a masterpieces
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Obviously not joking. Matt and Woody stole every scene in every movie they have been in. Brad just kind of blends in most of the time. I gave him kudos for Fight Club, but Norton ruled that movie too.
Prior to the McConnaissance, that's just not true. Harrelson hadn't had a role like this one in ages, either. Your complaint seems to be that Pitt moves seamlessly into his roles, which is more a complaint about his selection of roles than anything else. Acting chops don't just disappear.
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Prior to the McConnaissance, that's just not true. Harrelson hadn't had a role like this one in ages, either. Your complaint seems to be that Pitt moves seamlessly into his roles, which is more a complaint about his selection of roles than anything else. Acting chops don't just disappear.
Zombie land was Oscar worthy, well in my mind anyway.
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Zombieland was crap.
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Brad Pitt crushed 12 monkeys. one of my favorite acting performances.
It will be interesting to see what TD does with a female lead, but it's impossible for me to be excited about an actress being cast as the main character, no matter who it is. Oh well, we know they will have an incredible supporting cast.
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Zombie land was Oscar worthy, well in my mind anyway.
He was great, but it wasn't the same kind of role. That was my point. It's not like Fen could point to Harrelson's recent work and say that the guy would be great in a role like Marty Hart. And of course we've never seen a role quite like Rust Cohle before.
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Tell me more about Woody Harrelson stealing every scene of every film he's been in.
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Tell me more about Woody Harrelson stealing every scene of every film he's been in.
He was excellent in that movie. Then again there wasn't anything I didn't love about that film.
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He was great, but it wasn't the same kind of role. That was my point. It's not like Fen could point to Harrelson's recent work and say that the guy would be great in a role like Marty Hart
YES THAT IS TRUE WELL DONE GOOD CHAP
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Or Marty Hart.
Derp. Don't know why I called him that.
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He was excellent in that movie. Then again there wasn't anything I didn't love about that film.
Perfect casting, but Bardem owned that movie
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Perfect casting, but Bardem owned that movie
No argument obviously.
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http://www.eonline.com/news/543882/jessica-chastain-for-true-detective-season-2-sorry-to-burst-your-bubble
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freak
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haha
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http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/05/nic-pizzolatto-reveals-the-first-details-on-true-detective-season-two/
We haven’t heard much from True Detective showrunner Nic Pizzolatto since the first season of True Detective ended. There had been some suggestion in a deleted tweet of his that the second season might feature female leads, but there was never any follow up. Earlier this month, there were rumors that Jessica Chastain would take a part in the series, and before that, rumors that Brad Pitt would be involved. But none of those can be true because, according to Pizzolatto, casting hasn’t even begun yet.
In a long public radio interview with Pizzolatto, in which he spends the majority of the time breaking down season one of the show, Pizzolotto finally reveals some details about the second season. The most surprising take-away? Three leads:
From the To the Best Of Our Knowledge Podcast:
Right now, we’re working with three leads. It takes place in California. Not Los Angeles, but some of the lesser known venues of California and we’re going to try to capture a certain psychosphere ambience of the place, much like we did with season one. The characters are all new, but I am deeply in love with all of them. We have the entire season broken out, and I have a couple of scripts, and we’ll probably start casting within the coming month.
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^ two of the three leads are probably male, and all the white knights will show up and bitch about that again
"This show can't be good because women are not important enough"
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^ two of the three leads are probably male, and all the white knights will show up and bitch about that again
"This show can't be good because women are not important enough"
How are the antagonists going to rape and murder anyone without women in the show?
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How are the antagonists going to rape and murder anyone without women in the show?
Daddario's funbags need a bigger role in season 2.
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Daddario's funbags need a bigger role in season 2.
I am with MB on this.
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4 episodes in. Closed captions is my friend. I can't understand half the excrement they say. Good so far.
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FULL FRONTAL, mother fucker
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"AMAZING PERFORM, full frontal action"
There are at least 5 great things about that. Not the least of which is that it "quoted" the Chicago Sun Times.
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That looks like Tommy with good hair.
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Just finished this tonight. Awesome. Harrelson and McConaughey deserve every award possible.
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Just finished this tonight. Awesome. Harrelson and McConaughey deserve every award possible.
Hannibal is better
/puckstapo
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Hannibal is better
/puckstapo
True Dat.
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http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/07/an-academy-award-winner-has-met-with-nic-pizzolatto-about-directing-true-detective/
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http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/07/an-academy-award-winner-has-met-with-nic-pizzolatto-about-directing-true-detective/
Friedkin is a douchebag, but I guess he'd be a decent choice.
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Friedkin is a douchebag, but I guess he'd be a decent choice.
True Douchetective
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http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/07/true-detective-season-2-will-have-four-main-characters-now/
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Still not enough female characters. This show isn't good.
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http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/colin-farrell-in-talks-for-true-detective-season-two-1201261235/
Colin Farrell
http://www.thewrap.com/colin-farrell-in-talks-for-true-detective-season-2-taylor-kitsch-also-eyed/
Taylor Kitsch
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In Bruges, babbie
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“The second season of True Detective will follow the death of Ben Caspar, the corrupt City Manager of a fictional California city who’s found brutally murdered amidst a potentially groundbreaking transportation deal that would forever change the freeway gridlock in California.
Three law enforcement officers from different cities and branches of the government are tasked with finding out who did it. They soon discover their investigation has much broader and darker implications than they initially thought.
Caspar’s 52-year-old corpse is found on a lonely stretch of the PCH near Big Sur - his eye burned out, genitals cut off and satanic symbols etched on his chest. It turns out he had a penchant for rough sex and may have been involved in the occult.”
lets goooo
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his eye burned out, genitals cut off and satanic symbols etched on his chest.
Sounds like another The Strain ripoff or Bojangles honeymoon.
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Vince Vaughan and Elisabeth Moss are in talks to play two of the four leads
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Sounds like another The Strain ripoff or Bojangles honeymoon.
My wife tried to burn her eyes out when she woke up from the roofies and found out she married me.
Puck roofied himself and woke up to find out he masturbated.
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Puck roofied himself and woke up to find out he masturbated.
hahahahaha
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My wife tried to burn her eyes out when she woke up from the roofies and found out she married me.
Puck roofied himself and woke up to find out he masturbated.
(http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/41719/_1392787101.gif)
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Vince Vaughan and Elisabeth Moss are in talks to play two of the four leads
Elisabeth Moss is annoyingly ugly.
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Elisabeth Moss is annoyingly ugly.
great actress though
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http://uproxx.com/tv/2014/09/fast-furious-director-justin-lin-rumored-to-be-joining-true-detective-season-2/
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Vaughn and Farrell confirmed.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/23/showbiz/tv/true-detective-colin-farrell-vince-vaughn/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
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Very odd choices
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Very odd choices
My first reaction. I can perhaps see Farrell (he has done some proper work in the past with things like In Bruges) but Vaughn makes little sense to me. We'll see.
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My first reaction. I can perhaps see Farrell (he has done some proper work in the past with things like In Bruges) but Vaughn makes little sense to me. We'll see.
Vaughn was good in the Psycho remake and Into the Wild.
He isn't going to be the lead in this either. He will be one of the villains.
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"Did you just let Screech into the fuckn' club?"
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I didn't like Matthew mcconaughey's acting until about a year ago, so well see.
I agree that Farell was great in In Bruges and not much else.
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http://www.vice.com/the-real/the-real-true-detective-010?
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http://www.vice.com/the-real/the-real-true-detective-010?
Gianna Toboni kinda made my toblerone wiggle.
(http://www.cravebits.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/toblerone-hero.jpg)
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Gianna Toboni kinda made my toblerone wiggle.
(http://www.cravebits.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/toblerone-hero.jpg)
2nded.
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http://geektyrant.com/news/true-detective-season-2-casting-and-official-character-breakdown
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Word is this season will have an extended orgy scene.
It will be the greatest scene of all time.
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Word is this season will have an extended orgy scene.
It will be the greatest scene of all time.
Single take, tracking shot orgy scene
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I hope this season isn't like last season and is sustained good,not 5 or 6 excellent episodes followed by typical serial killer yawn.
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Word is this season will have an extended orgy scene.
It will be the greatest scene of all time.
Nice to see they're going to try and top Daddario's funbags from last season.
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Nice to see they're going to try and top Daddario's funbags from last season.
They were glorious.
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I hope this season is sustained good and not 5 or 6 excellent episodes followed by yawn.
Agreed. Just like last season.
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Nice to see they're going to try and top Daddario's funbags from last season.
Not possible. Just trying to reach greatness on a tangential plane.
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Not possible. Just trying to reach greatness on a tangential plane.
I applaud the effort though
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Agreed. Just like last season.
Thanks let me edit my post.
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Season 2 teaser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKXLWgbHfK8
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I wish it has Anthony Starr.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4uxGbhO4ag
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I didn't realize this was starting so soon.
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I didn't realize this was starting so soon.
lets goooooo
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I didn't realize this was starting so soon.
Diabolical move to start it the week after GOT ends
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http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/06/true-detective-season-2-review-so-is-this-thing-good-or-what/
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http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/06/true-detective-season-2-review-so-is-this-thing-good-or-what/
I bet JFIF vapes
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I bet JFIF vapes
I feel like all these vape bars opened up while I was abroad. They're Fuckn everywhere.
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I vape occasionally but it helped me to quit smoking. Still do it if I'm drinking. It does have a very douchey community I will admit.
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Entire series is up online. Get it while you can.
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Which torrent site?
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This is not very good at all. So disappointing.
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holy excrement
this is bad
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holy excrement
this is bad
Why?
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Good thing I decided to watch US Open instead
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Why?
"I'll buttfuck your dad with your mom's headless corpse"
The writing is terrible. The acting isn't too bad, but it's nothing special. There's too much going on.
It might get better when it starts to come together, but it's a really big mess with god awful dialogue throughout.
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That line fit his character.
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That line fit his character.
That character is terrible. He also called him an asshead.
"Aspen? That's a boy's name?"
freak
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"Administrative leave, with pay."
LOLDIALOGUE
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"What exactly is porn?"
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Too many moving parts for a first episode.
"I'll buttfuck your dad with your mom's headless corpse"
The writing is terrible. The acting isn't too bad, but it's nothing special. There's too much going on.
It might get better when it starts to come together, but it's a really big mess with god awful dialogue throughout.
Hahahahaha, I cannot take Colin Farrell's character seriously after that line.
Rachel McAdams will probably wind up being the best part of this season.
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Too many moving parts for a first episode.
Definitely. Barely anything important happened and a lot of things just didn't make sense.
Hahahahaha, I cannot take Colin Farrell's character seriously after that line.
Rachel McAdams will probably wind up being the best part of this season.
Farrell is easily the worst part of this so far. Vince Vaughn's line about jerking off in a cup was pretty bad too.
McAdams wasn't bad. I wish the show just focused on her and a non-motorcycle riding Kitsch.
"The highway...it suits me"
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Pizzolatto desperately wants to be David Lynch and that's just never going to happen.
The homage to Mulholland Drive made it even more obvious.
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McAdams bewbs?
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Ugh . . .
What a convoluted mess. Are these the same writers as Season 1?
I WANT to like it though. So, I'll continue to watch -- if only to see Colin Farrell's character crawl back into the Texas dumpster from whence it came.
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McAdams bewbs?
I miss Daddario.
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I miss Daddario.
That Alexandra Daddario is one piece of ace, I know from experience dude.
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That Alexandra Daddario is one piece of ace, I know from experience dude.
You got that right, Todd.
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That Alexandra Daddario is one piece of ace, I know from experience dude.
No you don't.
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No you don't.
Well, not me personally, but a guy I know. Him and her GOT. IT. ON! Wooo-weee!
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Well, not me personally, but a guy I know. Him and her GOT. IT. ON! Wooo-weee!
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Well, not me personally, but a guy I know. Him and her GOT. IT. ON! Wooo-weee!
No they didn't.
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No they didn't.
But you can imagine what it would be like if they did.
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Too many characters. I tuned out.
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Dragged at times but the characters are interesting. I will continue watching.
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The FLAT circle of life:
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The second and third episodes are supposed to be very good. At least there's some hope.
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The second and third episodes are supposed to be very good. At least there's some hope.
I just watched it again. Your criticisms are valid but overly harsh.
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I just watched it again. Your criticisms are valid but overly harsh.
"The highway...it suits me"
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"The highway...it suits me"
Even that line wasn't that bad. My least favorite character on the show so far, but he could easily become the best of the bunch depending on how his character evolves. The dude is obviously psycho.
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http://i.imgur.com/wbBhRrt.gifv
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Vince Vaughn doesn't work at all and I don't think a back-story is going to help; I just can't take him seriously as a criminal kingpin.
I'm also tempted to say they should have just combined Farrell's and Kitsch's characters, but we'll see how it plays out. Clearly they think so highly of the trio's chemistry that they spent an entire episode building up to their meeting.
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Vince Vaughn doesn't work at all and I don't think a back-story is going to help; I just can't take him seriously as a criminal kingpin.
I'm also tempted to say they should have just combined Farrell's and Kitsch's characters, but we'll see how it plays out. Clearly they think so highly of the trio's chemistry that they spent an entire episode building up to their meeting.
I just don't see how this many main characters can work in an anthology series that only has 8 episodes per season.
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I just don't see how this many main characters can work in an anthology series that only has 8 episodes per season.
Agreed. Considering they spent an entire episode setting up the murder and the meeting. The beauty of the 1st season was seeing the same story told from 2 perspectives. This season looks to be 1 perspective following multiple characters. It could work or go down in flames horribly.
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Agreed. Considering they spent an entire episode setting up the murder and the meeting. The beauty of the 1st season was seeing the same story told from 2 perspectives. This season looks to be 1 perspective following multiple characters. It could work or go down in flames horribly.
Critics that have seen the entire season say the second and third episodes are good, but I'll decide that for myself.
There just can't be great character development for each of the leads with so few episodes available to tell the story. If it's renewed, focusing on 1 detective and 1 killer would be an interesting route to take in the third season.
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"What exactly is porn?"
Further supporting my point that we're not supposed to take him seriously, he thinks Athena is the goddess of love.
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Further supporting my point that we're not supposed to take him seriously, he thinks Athena is the goddess of love.
Who were we supposed to take seriously in that premiere?
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Who were we supposed to take seriously in that premiere?
Definitely not that guy.
Anyway, oh excrement.
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This entire e-cig conversation is awful.
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Whelp, that solves one of the show's problems.
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Whelp, that solves one of the show's problems.
Or does it?
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yoooooooooooooooo
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worst character eliminated
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"I felt like it was smoking me"
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worst character eliminated
Second worst. Every time Vince Vaughn tries to casually use the word "ain't" my ears bleed a little.
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Or does it?
Are you implying that the rest of the season will feature Ani and Colin Farrell's ghost teaming up to solve crimes? Because that would be pretty sweet.
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Second worst. Every time Vince Vaughn tries to casually use the word "ain't" my ears bleed a little.
That is more on Pizzolatto than Vaughn. His storyline doesn't seem that bad after tonight's episode.
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hahahaha
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Are you implying that the rest of the season will feature Ani and Colin Farrell's ghost teaming up to solve crimes? Because that would be pretty sweet.
Melisandre will revive him.
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Huh.
******Spoiler******
http://imgur.com/9ApBQwK (http://imgur.com/9ApBQwK)
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what
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If it's something lame like rubber bullets or beanbags, that will be so ridiculous.
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I was thinking rock salt, like Kill Bill.
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Melisandre will revive him.
But not his genitals
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If it's something lame like rubber bullets or beanbags, that will be so ridiculous.
Probably.
At the autopsy, they mentioned a shotgun blast with a "special load" -- so yeah, birdman may alternate his ammo.
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But not his genitals
As if these characters need any more sexual insecurity.
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What the freak
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I'm out
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I'm out
Is it that bad? I was taking a wait and see approach. I had the feeling it wasn't going to be very good but I wanted to see what everyone thought before I watched it.
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Is it that bad? I was taking a wait and see approach. I had the feeling it wasn't going to be very good but I wanted to see what everyone thought before I watched it.
It's not as bad as MB is making it out to be. He hasn't even seen most of the second episode.
With that said, I wouldn't recommend this season to anyone as of yet. It's very convoluted and the story just isn't interesting at all.
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Is it that bad? I was taking a wait and see approach. I had the feeling it wasn't going to be very good but I wanted to see what everyone thought before I watched it.
Hberg is right....i didn't see most of the 2nd episode, because i fell asleep. To be honest, what I've seen so far hasnt been great...and i lost interest.
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I'm out
Bye Felicia
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Bye Felicia
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2nd episode was better than the 1st. I just don't find myself giving a excrement about any of the characters, but the show is not bad otherwise.
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What kind of way is that to greet the world?
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What kind of way is that to greet the world?
I fuggin' pissed myself!
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Pretty solid episode.
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That episode was still not very good. The Fukunaga vs. Pizzolatto stuff just made it worse than it really was.
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Pretty solid episode.
Better than the previous two. Not remotely close to series 1.
At the moment it's still a slightly subpar Law & Order.
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Better than the previous two. Not remotely close to series 1.
At the moment it's still a slightly subpar Law & Order.
If by subpar you mean better than, sure.
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No, I'm pretty comfortable with my definition of the word.
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If by subpar you mean better than, sure.
I don't really think it's better (or worse) than Law and Order.
Law and Order actually has likable characters sometimes.
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I don't really think it's better (or worse) than Law and Order.
Law and Order actually has likable characters sometimes.
I still miss Jerry Orbach, and Mariska Hargitay when she was hot. Actually most of the SVU detectives were cool, Ice-T and Christoper Meloni were good even though they're both apparently dicks in real life.
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I don't really think it's better (or worse) than Law and Order.
Law and Order actually has likable characters sometimes.
It was a filler procedural that slogged along for years because it was bland and safe.
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It was a filler procedural that slogged along for years because it was bland and safe.
I could use bland, safe, and filler to describe most of what's happened with True Detective's second season through three episodes.
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I could use bland, safe, and filler to describe most of what's happened with True Detective's second season through three episodes.
I would also add "hackneyed", "cliched" and "tired" as appropriate adjectives.
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The main character's name is freaking Antigone. Pizzolato needs to go away if this is the best he can do.
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I would also add "hackneyed", "cliched" and "tired" as appropriate adjectives.
Why are you still talking about Law and Order?
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I just think it's funny that the television equivalent of dry toast is being used as a benchmark.
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RIP fat cop
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Vince Vaughn sucks
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As shootouts go, that was as bland as they come. The finale: man takes hostage, man backs away from cops, writer can't think of anything clever, man kills hostage, cops kill man, aaaaand SCENE.
I also thought it was funny that all the supporting cops died immediately from headshots. No drama here! Move along, move along.
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As shootouts go, that was as bland as they come. The finale: man takes hostage, man backs away from cops, writer can't think of anything clever, man kills hostage, cops kill man, aaaaand SCENE.
There are only three ways those scenes are allowed to go. Cop takes an ill advised but successful headshot of the bad guy, hostage injures the bad guy enough to get away from him before he's shot, and what we saw.
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There are only three ways those scenes are allowed to go. Cop takes an ill advised but successful headshot of the bad guy, hostage injures the bad guy enough to get away from him before he's shot, and what we saw.
Hostage starts furiously masturbating, leading to confusion. Releases hostage before full release achieved.
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As shootouts go, that was as bland as they come. The finale: man takes hostage, man backs away from cops, writer can't think of anything clever, man kills hostage, cops kill man, aaaaand SCENE.
I also thought it was funny that all the supporting cops died immediately from headshots. No drama here! Move along, move along.
All of the supporting cops were killed. All of them.
Only three remain and their character development and backstories are still excrement.
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The police captain's salt and pepper afro is one of the most distracting parts of this series.
Are you a police officer or are you Blackula?
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There are only three ways those scenes are allowed to go. Cop takes an ill advised but successful headshot of the bad guy, hostage injures the bad guy enough to get away from him before he's shot, and what we saw.
I thought Rachel McAdams was going to creep up behind him and get him with Chekhov's Knuckle Knife.
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I thought Rachel McAdams was going to creep up behind him and get him with Chekhov's Knuckle Knife.
This season has a few CGs that haven't paid off yet.
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Definitely some regression in episode 4. The would be raid was incredibly ill conceived. No riot gear? Nobody has eyes on the building as they are approaching? You shot the guy you needed alive 30 times?
So the entire episode was to find this guy so you could advance the plot, and they are pretty much back to square one after an hour of TV.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/shittyreactiongifs/comments/3doz3q/mrw_i_have_a_ghost_fetish_and_im_asked_what_id/
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Definitely some regression in episode 4. The would be raid was incredibly ill conceived. No riot gear? Nobody has eyes on the building as they are approaching? You shot the guy you needed alive 30 times?
So the entire episode was to find this guy so you could advance the plot, and they are pretty much back to square one after an hour of TV.
the lack of riot gear and the ridiculous civilian reactions were the two most egregious things to me.
I still enjoyed it though.
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Is season 2 worth watching?
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Is season 2 worth watching?
so far, not really
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Go stand in front of a tank.
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Can I help you Cisco Kid?
Good episode, it's about time.
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I'm watching it now. Even if this does turn into a decent episode, has it really taken them 5 episodes to progress a story that's supposed to be told in 8?
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I FUCKIN' BLED FOR THAT MONEY
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Frankisms
http://i.imgur.com/tnULXwO.png
http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/comments/3dx0sg/s2e5_after_the_blue_balls_of_the_heart_line_all_i/ct9hncd
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I'm watching it now. Even if this does turn into a decent episode, has it really taken them 5 episodes to progress a story that's supposed to be told in 8?
Pretty much spot on. Solid episode but running out of time.
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I am glad I skipped this year, and I have zero desire to watch it.
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Taylor Kitsch is absolutely awful. He's poison to anything he's in
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He's poison to anything he's in
No, he's not. He just cashed in and made a bunch of terrible films (John Carter and Battleship) after Friday Night Lights.
His character (just like every character in this season) is horribly written. That scene in the trailer with his mother was so bad.
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No, he's not. He just cashed in and made a bunch of terrible films (John Carter and Battleship) after Friday Night Lights.
His character (just like every character in this season) is horribly written. That scene in the trailer with his mother was so bad.
You're really going to tell me he's a good actor?
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You're really going to tell me he's a good actor?
He's good in Lone Survivor, Friday Night Lights, and The Normal Heart.
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He's good in Lone Survivor, Friday Night Lights, and The Normal Heart.
AIDS!
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Go stand in front of a tank.
Frank the Tank?
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http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/comments/3eoscn/season_2_greatest_hits_from_colin_farrells/
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Where's them wetback hoochies hole up?
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Not sure why Colin was talking like Batman most of the episode. Some spotty (being generous) dialogue as usual, but overall a good episode. Hard to complain about the party.
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Has this improved any?
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Not sure why Colin was talking like Batman most of the episode. Some spotty (being generous) dialogue as usual, but overall a good episode. Hard to complain about the party.
That scene was really good, very Bacchanalian. Kitsch and Farrell were a bit James Bond though.
I liked Farrell and Vaughan's opening scene as well.
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Has this improved any?
no
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no
Thank you
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Thank you
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hahahaha
6 episodes into an 8 episode story and nothing much has really happened. It's just poorly put together and a waste of potential.
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hahahaha
6 episodes into an 8 episode story and nothing much has really happened. It's just poorly put together and a waste of potential.
I have a slightly better view of the show. Some interesting stuff has happened, and the Vince/Colin scenes are pretty good for the most part. I do agree that it feels more like a multi-season show. A excrement ton is going to have to happen in the last 2 episodes. I'm worried it's either going to feel forced, or they are just going to ignore some of the plot lines.
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Where can I score some MDMA Binaca?
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http://www.vox.com/2015/7/29/9068135/mr-robot-usa-true-detective
Best show on TV
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freak
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Really enjoyed last night's episode. Probably the best of the season.
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Really enjoyed last night's episode. Probably the best of the season.
Agreed.
But still, freak.
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http://gfycat.com/DownrightLimpChrysalis
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Homophobia is deadly
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http://gfycat.com/DownrightLimpChrysalis
That entire scene was fantastic.
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Really enjoyed last night's episode. Probably the best of the season.
I enjoyed the previous one. I just watched this one and when the thing happened my reaction was "meh". I've tried to like this season, but it's just a bad show.
Vince Vaughan is easily the best thing about it.
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I enjoyed the previous one. I just watched this one and when the thing happened my reaction was "meh". I've tried to like this season, but it's just a bad show.
Vince Vaughan is easily the best thing about it.
You are wrong.
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I enjoyed the previous one. I just watched this one and when the thing happened my reaction was "meh". I've tried to like this season, but it's just a bad show.
Vince Vaughan is easily the best thing about it.
The story that all of this excrement is happening because of some real estate never had any legs to begin with. The cast has done a great job with a excrement story and script. The last 2 episodes have been really good, and I'm hoping the finale pays it all off.
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lol
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Well thank god Nails made it.
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In b4 terrible comparisons to a procedural and complaining about the show creator being a dick, not to mention how some people decided they didn't like this season when certain actors were cast.
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Such a terrible season. And I like all of the actors, but the writing was horrific.
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JE after season 1: "Why does Rust love Jesus now? Rubbish!"
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JE after season 1: "Why does Rust love Jesus now? Rubbish!"
Wasn't a big fan of the S1 finale, but it was freaking Citizen Kane compared to this garbage.
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JE on Woodrugh's death: "It was pointless."
Sure, besides all the groundwork that was laid for it in the preceding episodes, culminating in one of the best action sequences of the series (not just this season), and the chain of events it kicked off in the finale, it was totally pointless.
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not enough black actors
two thumbs down
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Dull and pointless character whose death was utterly meh. If it had relevance in the finale it didn't matter because I'd long since given up caring, as have many people.
It's OK that you liked it. Accept that you're in a minority on this one. It doesn't make you a bad person, it's OK to disagree with most of the rest of the world.
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prrrrt
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I watched the last 2 episodes tonight. Pretty good, but it felt a little unresolved at the end. (Last scene)
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Dull and pointless character whose death was utterly meh. If it had relevance in the finale it didn't matter because I'd long since given up caring, as have many people.
It's OK that you liked it. Accept that you're in a minority on this one. It doesn't make you a bad person, it's OK to disagree with most of the rest of the world.
A minority among the handful here, but overall it's been a divisive season.
And repeating your original lazy criticism doesn't bolster your point.
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http://imgur.com/a/HNSAL#0
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http://imgur.com/a/HNSAL#0
My Pizza-Wife kept pointing out that the actress was using a lot of angry-mouth acting in that scene.
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My Pizza-Wife kept pointing out that the actress was using a lot of angry-mouth acting in that scene.
I think she was the worst actor on the show.
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I think she was the worst actor on the show.
Trick question, all of the female actors were the worst actor on the show
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Trick question, all of the female actors were the worst actor on the show
I actually thought that Rachel McAdams was one of the only redeeming qualities of this season.
It just didn't work for me. Vince Vaughn was so out of sorts as Frank Semyon. I just never felt like I wasn't watching Vince Vaughn playing a gangster. And like Badger said, his wife was God awful.
The good: Colin Farrell, McAdams, James Frain.
The bad: Everything else.
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I thought Frank got way better as a character once he gave up trying to be legitimate and dove back into crime.
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I thought Frank got way better as a character once he gave up trying to be legitimate and dove back into crime.
I want to like him because there were some really good one liners that came from the character. But I just felt like something was off throughout this season and there was a disconnect between the actor and who he was supposed to play. He did get WAY more interesting when he dropped the goal of trying to go legit, and just decided to scorch the earth with his enemies.
I didn't know until today that the psychiatrist that "turned 8's into 10's" was RICK SPRINGFIELD. Ya know I wish that I had Jessies Girlll.
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I didn't think that McAdams or Vaughan did a bad job with the material they were given to work with. Farrell's character was so badly put together that I don't know who to blame, and Kitsch was wooden and one-dimensional.
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If there's a season 3, I hope they use the same director for every episode.
I think the show did suffer from the number of protagonists. Not only that, but they took Rust's tendency so "say odd excrement" as Marty would put it, and spread it around between Ray, Ani and Frank, not to mention a few side characters. Frank was the only one with memorable odd excrement to say, and it more than occasionally crossed the line into silliness.
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http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/true-detective-season-two-lines-ranked-1723048186
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/true-detective-season-two-in-two-minutes-1723112723
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NItT8vlq3I
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So the kid from Little Big League was the killer?
frrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
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NateCosBOOM: Colin Farrell in True Detective looks like he smells like depressed couch farts.
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http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/true-detective/38412/true-detective-hbo-chief-takes-blame-for-season-2-difficulties
It's very magnanimous of him to do this, but I don't think anyone's really fooled into thinking that Fukunaga's absence wasn't a key part of the failure.
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http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/-true-detective-third-season-unlikely-according-/407726
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http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/-true-detective-third-season-unlikely-according-/407726
Good.
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Good.
agreed
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Oh how the mighty have fallen.
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Haha time is a flat circle.
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If season 1 and 2 were showed in reverse order, there'd probably be a season 3.
But it also makes sense for someone who's not used to writing for television. That's a lot of original stories to churn out in a short amount of time
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(VanityFair) — If you’ve missed the haunted musings of a certain handlebar-mustachioed homicide detective on HBO, you are not alone. On Wednesday, Matthew McConaughey confessed that he too misses his True Detective character and flat-circle prognosticator—so much so that he would consider reprising the role of ol’ Rust. “I miss Rust Cohle, man,” McConaughey admitted on DirecTV’s Rich Eisen Show. “I miss watching him on Sunday nights.” The sentiment is not only shared by first-season True Detective viewers, but by HBO, which dealt with disastrous reviews when the second season of the Nic Pizzolatto-created drama, starring Rachel McAdams, Vince Vaughn, and Colin Farrell, failed to live up to the first. In fact the feedback to the sophomore season was so troubling that HBO reportedly only agreed to grant the show a third season if Pizzolatto changed the way he runs the series. Pizzolatto and HBO are presumably looking for a season-three Hail Mary, and McConaughey hinted that he reached out to his former collaborator to discuss the possibility of returning, despite the show’s anthology format.
Time is a flat circle
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^I would love to see them pretend the 2nd season never happened and continue on with Woody Harrelson and McConaghueyehey.
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http://uproxx.com/tv/true-detective-season-3-hbo/
Yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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freak that Milch, you're supposed to be working on the Deadwood movie.
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i'm not sure i can get on board with True Detective again.....the 2nd season hurt my feels.
however, Daddario's funbags and the Yellow king being brought back may sway me.
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Let's Go
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Yeah... I willed my way through both seasons. 1 was obviously far superior. 2 showed potential at times, but faded to a somewhat craptacular finale. I would give season 3 a go, but mostly because there isn't much of anything on normal tv these days.
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Season 2 was really really bad but it's still better than most TV out there for me. Season 1 is one of my favorite television seasons ever.
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Season 2 was really really bad but it's still better than most TV out there for me. Season 1 is one of my favorite television seasons ever.
There are individual seasons of The Leftovers, Breaking Bad, and hell even Lost that were better, but that's not a bad list to be on.
I thought the flashbacks, interviews, lore, and perfect funbags were all top notch. I just didn't love the last 2 episodes.
I've said it before, I may need to rewatch to get the love.
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http://nerdist.com/oscar-winner-mahershala-ali-luke-cage-true-detective-season-3/
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http://nerdist.com/oscar-winner-mahershala-ali-luke-cage-true-detective-season-3/
I'll definitely give this another chance is Pizzolatto isn't the writer.
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I'll definitely give this another chance is Pizzolatto isn't the writer.
freaking Pizzolatto is still the writer, but David Milch gets one episode and Jeremy mother fuckin' Saulnier is directing some episodes. I'm in.
http://collider.com/true-detective-season-3-synopsis-director/
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freaking Pizzolatto is still the writer, but David Milch gets one episode and Jeremy mother fuckin' Saulnier is directing some episodes. I'm in.
http://collider.com/true-detective-season-3-synopsis-director/
I'm out....still sour over that Season 2 debacle.
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I'm out....still sour over that Season 2 debacle.
same director as Blue Ruin and Green Room, I am in 'til the end.
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same director as Blue Ruin and Green Room, I am in 'til the end.
you're the litmus test.
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I don't think TD2 was as bad as most of you seem to agree. Part of the problem was trading 2 blue chip leading actors for 3-4 supporting actors.
Would anyone give a excrement if Vince Vaughn taught us that time is a flat circle?
If Woody and Matthew were the leads in season 2, the booth scenes at the seedy bar alone would have been worth the price of admission.
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I don't think TD2 was as bad as most of you seem to agree. Part of the problem was trading 2 blue chip leading actors for 3-4 supporting actors.
Would anyone give a excrement if Vince Vaughn taught us that time is a flat circle?
If Woody and Matthew were the leads in season 2, the booth scenes at the seedy bar alone would have been worth the price of admission.
it wasn't the actors....it was the POS script.
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it wasn't the actors....it was the POS script.
This.
It was universally railed for having some of the worst writing in HBO history.
Colin Farrell and Vince Vaughn aren't exactly supporting actors either.
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freaking Pizzolatto is still the writer, but David Milch gets one episode and Jeremy mother fuckin' Saulnier is directing some episodes. I'm in.
http://collider.com/true-detective-season-3-synopsis-director/
Saw this earlier today. I'm on board.
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Saw this earlier today. I'm on board.
I really hope that Pizzolatto doesn't create this super stereotypical black character for Ali to play. I just see that happening though...
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This.
It was universally railed for having some of the worst writing in HBO history.
Colin Farrell and Vince Vaughn aren't exactly supporting actors either.
I'm not saying the writing was anthing more than borderline OK.
Colin and Vince are decent actors. I like them both. But as anything close to leads they excel in comedy, even if it's dark comedy.
I would watch S2 again in its entirety if you swapped Woody/Matt for Colin/Vince.
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The next installment tells the story of a macabre crime in the heart of the Ozarks, and a mystery that deepens over decades and plays out in three separate time periods. Ali will play the lead role of Wayne Hays, a state police detective from Northwest Arkansas.
Surprised they're using this setting after the Netflix series beat them to it...
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https://twitter.com/TrueDetective/status/1033882258514399232?s=19
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I'm pretty freaking hyped for the rest of this season.
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I'm pretty freaking hyped for the rest of this season.
Yeah, this is good.
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So this was definitely partly influenced by the West Memphis 3...
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So this was definitely partly influenced by the West Memphis 3...
Someone on reddit posted a Nic P or possibly a reviewer quote that seemed to dismiss this but now I can't find it.
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Someone on reddit posted a Nic P or possibly a reviewer quote that seemed to dismiss this but now I can't find it.
There’s no way to deny it.
3 outcasts and Dorff’s character even said something about the Black Sabbath shirt
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I’m all in...so much better than season 2
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I’m all in...so much better than season 2
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First ep was really freaking good
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First ep was really freaking good
Episode 2: really freaking good
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God damn how do you end an episode like that
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Watched season 1 recently and loved it. Is it worth watching season 2 or skip?
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Watched season 1 recently and loved it. Is it worth watching season 2 or skip?
Season 2 is awful. Just skip it. The third season has been excellent so far. Very slow burn, but really good.
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A clip of Season 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHOGs5x90PU
So bad.
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https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/tv/2019/1/29/18201316/true-detective-seasons-1-and-3-connected
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Still trying to summon up the energy and enthusiasm to watchlast week's episode. Watching Ali mumble his way through the first three has been very boring so far and it's an insult to the first season to compare them, this has none of the edge or darkness so far.
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Still trying to summon up the energy and enthusiasm to watchlast week's episode. Watching Ali mumble his way through the first three has been very boring so far and it's an insult to the first season to compare them, this has none of the edge or darkness so far.
Ali is going to win an Emmy for this and after the most recent episode, Dorff might too.
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Don’t disagree on the mumbling thing but I think it plays well in this show/his character and he’s an absolutley excellent actor
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It insists upon itself
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Ali is going to win an Emmy for this and after the most recent episode, Dorff might too.
Yea that ending was some really powerful acting. I’m a soulless piece of excrement but it pulled at the old heartstrings, felt my eyes welling up
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Another really good episode, shaping up for a hell of a finish
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Just watched season 2 for the hell of it... It wasn't great, but I thought it was watchable.
On to season 3, I have high hopes after reading some positive reviews.
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Just watched season 2 for the hell of it... It wasn't great, but I thought it was watchable.
No, it was not.
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I was doing real good without some head-shittin' birds around here.
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Finale was a let down for me
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Hmm
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zzzzz
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Finale was a let down for me
Endings are hard
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Endings are hard
Are you capable of posting without being a condescending freaking prick?
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Are you capable of posting without being a condescending freaking prick?
Badger was referring to his foreskin.
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I’m done with this forum at this rate you guys can have a freaking group text by the start of the season
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I’m done with this forum at this rate you guys can have a freaking group text by the start of the season
what if i made you an admin so you could ban Badger....would that be something you'd be interested in?
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I wasn't even condescending. Endings are hard to write.
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I wasn't even condescending. Endings are hard to write.
nic pizzolatto should nonchalant himself off the nearest cliff.
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I’m done with this forum at this rate you guys can have a freaking group text by the start of the season
Do you miss JFIF?
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Do you miss JFIF?
his ban made my ending hard.
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I wasn't even condescending. Endings are hard to write.
freak You
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freak You
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/comments/c0oyc0/i_need_more_vinceposting
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/comments/c0oyc0/i_need_more_vinceposting
My favorite:
"They say actions speak louder than words, Ray. But when I start kicking the excrement out of a blind man, I'm gonna make damn sure he's all ears."
When the cat’s away the mice will play. Well my cat just got run over, but you bet your derriere I was the snake behind the wheel.
Has anyone seen Dragged Across Concrete? Pretty decent, same kind of over-the-top, hard-boiled dialogue. Vince Vaughn is made for those lines. I'd love to see him in a Miller's Crossing type movie.
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Has anyone seen Dragged Across Concrete?
I watched it a few weeks ago.
S. Craig Zahler is awesome but why are all of his movies so long?
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I watched it a few weeks ago.
S. Craig Zahler is awesome but why are all of his movies so long?
The entire Jennifer Carpenter chapter I was thinking, "Why the freak is this in the movie?"
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https://deadline.com/2022/03/true-detective-night-country-hbo-barry-jenkins-issa-lopez-1234982303/
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https://deadline.com/2022/03/true-detective-night-country-hbo-barry-jenkins-issa-lopez-1234982303/
Damn, that show Pizz and McConaughey were going to make sounded v cool. Too bad it fell through.