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Collegiate Football => The NFL Draft => Topic started by: SixFeetDeep on February 27, 2015, 09:55:21 AM
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Draft Insider Tony Pauline reports the Titans and Jaguars have "lots of interest" in Missouri OLB Shane Ray.
Tennessee and Jacksonville hold the Nos. 2 and 3 overall picks in the draft, respectively. Ray's "buzz" hasn't been as high the past week because he didn't participate at the Combine due to a foot injury. But most view him as a locked-in top-10 overall pick who may not get past the Falcons at No. 8. We've seen him projected as high as No. 3 to the Jaguars. Both the Titans and Jaguars could use some youth and/or pass-rush juice off the edge. Ray stands in at 6'3/245.
do itttt
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Draft Fact: Tony Pauline gargles balls
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Draft Rumor: Heismanberg wishes they were his balls.
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According to Philly Voice's Jimmy Kempski, "evidence continues to build" that the Eagles plan to trade up for Oregon QB Marcus
We've followed Kempski's work for years and can't ever remember him being wrong. Most notably, he called the DeSean Jackson release well in advance. Kempski acknowledges he previously believed Philly moving up for Mariota was "unrealistic," but now "it appears the Eagles are determined to get their guy." Moving up from No. 20 into the top-two picks would likely cost Philadelphia most of its 2015 draft class, in addition to a 2016 first-round pick.
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According to Philly Voice's Jimmy Kempski, "evidence continues to build" that the Eagles plan to trade up for Oregon QB Marcus
We've followed Kempski's work for years and can't ever remember him being wrong. Most notably, he called the DeSean Jackson release well in advance. Kempski acknowledges he previously believed Philly moving up for Mariota was "unrealistic," but now "it appears the Eagles are determined to get their guy." Moving up from No. 20 into the top-two picks would likely cost Philadelphia most of its 2015 draft class, in addition to a 2016 first-round pick.
haven't seen the Ditka done in awhile. We're due for one.
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haven't seen the Ditka done in awhile. We're due for one.
if the RG3 trade involved 3 1st rounders, I would be asking for that to start. that was only to move from 6 to 2.
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Btw the Rams made out like bandits in that RG3 deal but it's not like they're any better now as a result.
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Btw the Rams made out like bandits in that RG3 deal but it's not like they're any better now as a result.
Yes they are
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if the RG3 trade involved 3 1st rounders, I would be asking for that to start. that was only to move from 6 to 2.
In a class that lacks 1st round talent, getting someone to trade down to 20 in a weak class can only drive up the asking price.
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I kind of want to stay at 6 at this point unless we are only talking about moving down a few spots.
We are lucky (or unlucky) enough to have a blue chip pick this year. The Eagles would need to give a hell of a haul to make me move all the way down to 20. With Chip Kelly there, it isn't likely that any future #1 picks will be that high anyway.
I'd much rather trade down with Cleveland if anyone. They suck every year. Maybe we can get another high first rounder from them next year after they finish last in the AFC north this year.
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I kind of want to stay at 6 at this point unless we are only talking about moving down a few spots.
We are lucky (or unlucky) enough to have a blue chip pick this year. The Eagles would need to give a hell of a haul to make me move all the way down to 20. With Chip Kelly there, it isn't likely that any future #1 picks will be that high anyway.
I'd much rather trade down with Cleveland if anyone. They suck every year. Maybe we can get another high first rounder from them next year after they finish last in the AFC north this year.
Well that's what the Redskins thought when they grabbed RGIII and won the division with him as a rookie. Extra first rounders are extra first rounders. More importantly they are excellent ammo to try and move up for a QB assuming we still need one next year. If we aren't taking Mariota or Winston, it's pretty damn likely we still need somebody, two first rounders is excellent ammo to go get our guy, whomever that may be
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I still have to say doing the ditka with Philly and getting Foles seems like best case scenario to me
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In a class that lacks 1st round talent, getting someone to trade down to 20 in a weak class can only drive up the asking price.
This class lacks first round talent? Since when?
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I still have to say doing the ditka with Philly and getting Foles seems like best case scenario to me
I think it makes more sense for Philly to try and keep foles out of the deal to get Mariota, and to try and get some picks back by trading him to a QB desperate team, like say buffalo.
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This class lacks first round talent? Since when?
You would call this a strong class?
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You would call this a strong class?
I believe you said this draft lacks first round talent. That is not true at all.
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I think it makes more sense for Philly to try and keep foles out of the deal to get Mariota, and to try and get some picks back by trading him to a QB desperate team, like say buffalo.
But if Philly is desperate for Mariota, Foles plays a key role. It allows them to trade with QB needy teams.
For instance if the Jets don't get excrement in free agency at QB (Fitz doesn't get cut, and all the scrubs get wildly overpaid ALA McCown).
That would put great pressure from the fans and media for the Jets to draft a QB. And with guys like Idzik getting fired for such folleys (pressure of signing a big corner and failing to do so) it's something to think about.
But if the QB desperate Jets are able to acquire whatever bounty of picks, plus an average to above average stop-gap QB. It works.
Of course this really depends on how the Mariota projections go over the coming weeks, and how QB free agency plays out.
But I think Foles could offer Philly more value by holding onto him. Especially since without him they're basically fucked if they can't get Mariota.
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You would call this a strong class?
Not what you said, chief.
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Not what you said, chief.
Now thats just semantics. Since when doesnt a weak class equate to a class that lacks top end talent? Im not sure how else one would describe it.
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Now thats just semantics. Since when doesnt a weak class equate to a class that lacks top end talent? Im not sure how else one would describe it.
Because there's a difference between a deep draft and a talented draft.
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dcm ftw (first time for everything)
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Now thats just semantics. Since when doesnt a weak class equate to a class that lacks top end talent? Im not sure how else one would describe it.
To define a draft class as strong or weak, IMO, you have to compare it against another year and positions.
This draft class is slightly stronger than last year's, especially Round one talent later in the round. The best NFL ready QB is available since Andrew Luck. The talent at pass rusher is the best I've seen in years. Best crop of RBs in a long time with solid depth to the middle rounds. Strong class of O-lineman that will translate well to OG. WRs is a very strong group, compared to most years, last year's group was awesome.
Tight Ends are weak group, after the top 3 it's a huge drop off. CB class is weak at the top, but some good value in Day 2. Not a good year to get an elite OT.
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Because there's a difference between a deep draft and a talented draft.
I don't know how to respond.
I guess if it's a deep draft of a pill of excrement, it wouldn't be talented??
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To define a draft class as strong or weak, IMO, you have to compare it against another year and positions.
This draft class is slightly stronger than last year's, especially Round one talent later in the round. The best NFL ready QB is available since Andrew Luck. The talent at pass rusher is the best I've seen in years. Best crop of RBs in a long time with solid depth to the middle rounds. Strong class of O-lineman that will translate well to OG. WRs is a very strong group, compared to most years, last year's group was awesome.
Tight Ends are weak group, after the top 3 it's a huge drop off. CB class is weak at the top, but some good value in Day 2. Not a good year to get an elite OT.
Agree with most you said; although I think this is the weakest groups of O-linemen in recent years.
On the topic at hand, I'd like to stay at 6, get an immediate impact, potential star WR/LB rather than risk taking my pick of the second tier guys around pick 20.
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Agree with most you said; although I think this is the weakest groups of O-linemen in recent years.
On the topic at hand, I'd like to stay at 6, get an immediate impact, potential star WR/LB rather than risk taking my pick of the second tier guys around pick 20.
I agree it is a very weak class of OTs, one of the worst I've seen ever, but there are some good players that will be solid OGs in the NFL, making the move from OT in College.
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Because there's a difference between a deep draft and a talented draft.
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This class lacks first round talent? Since when?
Rotoworld_Draft: Schneider: SEA only has 16 first-round grades http://t.co/nUan6Nke5m
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Rotoworld_Draft: Schneider: SEA only has 16 first-round grades http://t.co/nUan6Nke5m
Pretty big coincidence that the guy without a first round pick is saying this...
Also:
16 might sound like a small number, but teams typically have around 20 prospects labeled as first round talents due to scheme and "culture" fits.
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Pretty big coincidence that the guy without a first round pick is saying this...
Also:
If he only had 16 first round grades, thats probably why he traded it for Graham... knowing he'd likely never get a shot at any of those players with the 31st pick.
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If he only had 16 first round grades, thats probably why he traded it for Graham... knowing he'd likely never get a shot at any of those players with the 31st pick.
He traded for Graham because he's an elite player. The best tight end in the game.
I'm almost positive one of his top 16 would be there at 31. Scheme fit and team fit are huge factors.
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2nd best TE in the game.
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If he only had 16 first round grades, thats probably why he traded it for Graham... knowing he'd likely never get a shot at any of those players with the 31st pick.
As E said, teams assign grades based on their team, not on general purpose.
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Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean reports that the Titans have "an opportunity to do something about [the quarterback position] with the second overall pick, but smart money is on sticking with Zach Mettenberger instead of drafting Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota."
"Those two are probably riskier than Mettenberger, in my opinion," Wyatt wrote. "Charlie Whitehurst figures to be in the equation because coach Ken Whisenhunt loves him and he played well when given the chance last season. But the Titans will add a quarterback."
We don't agree that the two elite QB prospects in this class are riskier than an uninspiring late-round prospect from the year before, but that's besides the point. Assuming the Bucs take Winston No. 1 overall, we'd advise the Titans to sprint to the podium to select Mariota. It seems more likely at this time that they'll either select Leonard Williams or accept a haul to move down. One tempting scenario would involve acquiring Sam Bradford and a collection of picks to swap first rounders with the Eagles. Such a move would conform to Wyatt's postulation.
Rotoworld
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25114210/there-will-be-trades-5-nfl-teams-poised-to-draft-marcus-mariota-at-no-2
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25114210/there-will-be-trades-5-nfl-teams-poised-to-draft-marcus-mariota-at-no-2
I love that we are mentioned as wanting to get the hell out of six.
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I love that we are mentioned as wanting to get the hell out of six.
I thought Mac was all top secret. We haven't heard excrement about any of his moves in advance, outside of Revis (who Woody probably had a significant part in that move)
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This thread might as well be entitled "filled with #shitposts". All draft rumors are BS. This is about the time when the phantom injuries start popping up too.
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Jim Corbett @ByJimCorbett · 14m 14 minutes ago
Ken Whisenhunt on Marcus Mariota: "If he comes to us at No. 2, he's definitely going to be the day 1 starter..I'm very impressed by Marcus."
Wiz laying down some serious smoke. Or just being incredibly honest.
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Jim Corbett @ByJimCorbett · 14m 14 minutes ago
Ken Whisenhunt on Marcus Mariota: "If he comes to us at No. 2, he's definitely going to be the day 1 starter..I'm very impressed by Marcus."
Wiz laying down some serious smoke. Or just being incredibly honest.
the fires are burning early this year.
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the fires are burning early this year.
If there's anything to it, it pretty much guarantees the top 2 go off the board immediately. Either they take him or entice a team to trade up for him.
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If there's anything to it, it pretty much guarantees the top 2 go off the board immediately. Either they take him or entice a team to trade up for him.
I'm okay with this.
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 5m5 minutes ago
Asked about a possible trade at No. 6, Bowles says he’s “open to the best player available.” As for a trade, jokes he’ll take multiple 1sts
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 7s7 seconds ago
Bowles on says there's "always trade possibilities" re: Jets' No. 6 pick. "I'll trade with anyone who'll get me a ton of 1st rd picks"
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 5m5 minutes ago
Asked about a possible trade at No. 6, Bowles says he’s “open to the best player available.” As for a trade, jokes he’ll take multiple 1sts
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 7s7 seconds ago
Bowles on says there's "always trade possibilities" re: Jets' No. 6 pick. "I'll trade with anyone who'll get me a ton of 1st rd picks"
<3 Bowles
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 5m5 minutes ago
Asked about a possible trade at No. 6, Bowles says he’s “open to the best player available.” As for a trade, jokes he’ll take multiple 1sts
Manish Mehta @MMehtaNYDN 7s7 seconds ago
Bowles on says there's "always trade possibilities" re: Jets' No. 6 pick. "I'll trade with anyone who'll get me a ton of 1st rd picks"
I think my wish list now goes:
Trade
Cooper
OLB
Having said that, I'm furiously talking myself into Mariota just so I don't lose it on draft day.
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Gurley to the Jets rumor is gaining steam
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Gurley to the Jets rumor is gaining steam
I like Gurley, not at #6 though.
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I like Gurley, not at #6 though.
Way too many good RBs in the draft to spend the #6 on one.
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Way too many good RBs in the draft to spend the #6 on one.
especially one that just came off of an ACL.
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Todd McShay mocking Todd Gurley to the Jets started these rumors.
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RB at 6? Nah, bruh. Nah.
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Gurley to the Jets rumor is gaining steam
I'd be fine with it.........after we trade back with Cleveland.
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I'd be fine with it.........after we trade back with Cleveland.
I'd be fine with it after they find a dead hooker in his apartment and he falls to the 7th
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If we draft Gurley then we can all just #blamerex.
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If we draft Gurley then we can all just #blamerex.
I suppose it wouldn't be as bad as trading up for Trent Richardson like so many people wanted
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I suppose it wouldn't be as bad as trading up for Trent Richardson like so many people wanted
Haha, I was just thinking about that today.
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Or trading up for Ebron
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I don't particularly want either at 6 given the other options, but moving down between 10-15 and drafting whichever of gregory/Ray fall while picking up either a 2 or 3 would be ideal.
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I'll just assume, like past years, that I'll wonder wtf is wrong with our front office after they make the first round pick. Then I will slowly justify it/accept it until the pick truly sucks taint. Then I will be to the point of acceptance that I am a Jets fan and this is normal.
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Around the league: Reggie McKenzie taking calls on No. 4 pick, says line is open.
All rumors, but it sounds like everyone up high wants to trade out.
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Around the league: Reggie McKenzie taking calls on No. 4 pick, says line is open.
All rumors, but it sounds like everyone up high wants to trade out.
Oakland just needs a lot of help and they have a valuable pick.
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Oakland just needs a lot of help and they have a valuable pick.
I think it's becoming more likely Leonard Williams is on the clock at four, Jags appear to be going Fowler or Cooper.
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I think it's becoming more likely Leonard Williams is on the clock at four, Jags appear to be going Fowler or Cooper.
Williams doesn't really make sense there with what they already have up front.
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Williams doesn't really make sense there with what they already have up front.
Which is why they have a for-sale sign out front.
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Which is why they have a for-sale sign out front.
Nah, that's DCM's house.
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Nah, that's every single home around DCM's house.
FYP as of this morning
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Oakland just needs a lot of help and they have a valuable pick.
I don't remember the last time that this wasn't a true statement.
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I don't remember the last time that this wasn't a true statement.
The early 2000s was the last time they were relevant. They weren't terrible in 2010 and 2011, but the Davis family has no patience.
At least they drafted the Chosen One last year.
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Every team from us on up sucks and needs help.
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Every team from us on up sucks and needs help.
Tampa Bay isn't far off from being competitive. They have a lot of talent.
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Yeah, they do have quite a few franchise quality players .
Mike Evans is a freaking monster. David n McCoy speak for themselves. VJax is still good. ASJ was really shaky but that whole offense was a cluster freak juggling OCs multiple times before the season started lol.
They're way better than most teams usually at 1 overall, that's for sure .
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Their OL is hot garbage though
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The early 2000s was the last time they were relevant. They weren't terrible in 2010 and 2011, but the Davis family has no patience.
At least they drafted the Chosen One last year.
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I really like Gabe Jackson, he's a solid player.
I thought You would put in a picture of your Buddy.... K. Barnes.
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I really like Gabe Jackson, he's a solid player.
I thought You would put in a picture of your Buddy.... K. Barnes.
He was the second best prospect in the draft
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I really like Gabe Jackson, he's a solid player.
I thought You would put in a picture of your Buddy.... K. Barnes.
Kawhiff Barnes. Getting sued by him was how I knew I was as legit as a teenage journalist could be.
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Kawhiff Barnes. Getting sued by him was how I knew I was as legit as a teenage journalist could be.
That is what I was referring to, I couldn't believe a Kid from NJ giving his opinion on a player would make a draft prospect so upset. He's had an OK career, but never lived up to all the hype from others back in the day.
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That is what I was referring to, I couldn't believe a Kid from NJ giving his opinion on a player would make a draft prospect so upset. He's had an OK career, but never lived up to all the hype for others back in the day.
Dude is still lingering around though, I'll give him credit for that. I'd say a few more negative things but who knows if he's still watching.
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Peter King writing he thinks the Rivers trade has died yet still TEN trying to get a ransom for Mariota from any takers. Thinks they draft him if nobody bites.
Then said when asking 12 GMS who they think Jags pick. 8 of them gave same 3 names.
Cooper Fowler Williams.
I think those are probably picks 3 to 5 in almost any order
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Peter King writing he thinks the Rivers trade has died yet still TEN trying to get a ransom for Mariota from any takers. Thinks they draft him if nobody bites.
Then said when asking 12 GMS who they think Jags pick. 8 of them gave same 3 names.
Cooper Fowler Williams.
I think those are probably picks 3 to 5 in almost any order
I still say Tennessee takes Williams if no one trades up. They'll likely ease up on the asking price enough to pull a trade, though. If no trade, I think the draft goes Winston-Williams-Fowler-Cooper-Scherff/Beasley-Mariota. I think a trade comes in somewhere, though. Ideally, Tennessee passes and Oakland pulls a trade, allowing Cooper to slide to us.
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Tennessee needs to do the needful and select Mariota at #2.
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Tennessee needs to do the needful and select Mariota at #2.
I'd rather see someone take him at Oakland's spot than Tennessee's spot. No way does Washington take Cooper.
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I'd rather see someone take him at Oakland's spot than Tennessee's spot. No way does Washington take Cooper.
If the Skins take Cooper, I'll blame you.
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They have Garcon and AARP member Santana Moss.
Saying "no way" is wishful thinking.
I don't see him falling to 6. And if we pass on him I'd be pretty pissed
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Wait how the freak did I forget DeSean Jackson lol.
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I guess I just don't want to set myself up for a let down so I convinced myself winston is a Buc, fowler is a jaguar, Cooper is a raider
Our only real hope of Cooper is that the ghost of AL Davis drafts Kevin White
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They have Garcon and AARP member Santana Moss.
Saying "no way" is wishful thinking.
I don't see him falling to 6. And if we pass on him I'd be pretty pissed
They don't have Moss any more.
Garçon, Jackson, Roberts, Reed, Paul...I don't see them taking a pass catcher in Rd 1 with so many other problems.
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Garçon, Jackson, Roberts, Reed, Paul...I don't see them taking a pass catcher in Rd 1 with so many other problems.
Your logic is sound but I wouldn't rule out Scot McCloughan taking Cooper if he's the top player on their board.
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Your logic is sound but I wouldn't rule out Scot McCloughan taking Cooper if he's the top player on their board.
I also wouldn't rule out Scot McCloughlan face down in a urinal on draft day.
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Your logic is sound but I wouldn't rule out Scot McCloughan taking Cooper if he's the top player on their board.
If the Skins take Cooper, we should all immediately thank God that he wasn't hired here. That's the one part of their team with any talent.
Edit for obvious hyperbole before someone says running back or kerrigan
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If you're drafting purely based on value, I can't see how any team could completely rule out Cooper outside the top-2 picks.
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Who does Cooper remind you guys of in the NFL?
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Who does Cooper remind you guys of in the NFL?
Red Grange
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Who does Cooper remind you guys of in the NFL?
Bowling ball with a butcher knife.
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Breer says the Redskins and Jets are trying to trade back.
Another reporter tweeted that the Niners are interested in trading with the Jets, but their target is Amari Cooper (who probably won't be there).
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Who does Cooper remind you guys of in the NFL?
Antonio Brown
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Breer says the Redskins and Jets are trying to trade back.
Another reporter tweeted that the Niners are interested in trading with the Jets, but their target is Amari Cooper (who probably won't be there).
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Antonio Brown
I'd sign up for that. Not so much for Red Grange. He'd get killed in today's NFL.
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Who does Cooper remind you guys of in the NFL?
Marvin Harrison without shooting ppl at a car wash he owns
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I'd sign up for that. Not so much for Red Grange. He'd get killed in today's NFL.
I dunno if your being serious about MBs grange comparison or not lol
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I dunno if your being serious about MBs grange comparison or not lol
lol come on man.
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lol come on man.
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This guy's pretty plugged in with the Titans (probably more than anyone).
So take what you will (via rotoworld)
The Tennessean does not expect the Titans to select USC DT Leonard Williams at No. 2 overall.
Beat reporter Jim Wyatt says the Titans would pass on a player many consider the draft's top prospect because they have "bigger needs." That's certainly true, although drafting for need is what GMs who are trying to save their job do. Wyatt added that if the Titans don't trade out of the No. 2 hole and don't take Marcus Mariota, he thinks they'll take Alabama WR Amari Cooper.
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So I just looked at similarity scores on mockdraftable.com...
Kevin White's most similar athlete? Braylon Edwards.
Amari Cooper's most similar athlete? Ryan Spadola!
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Breer says the Redskins and Jets are trying to trade back.
Another reporter tweeted that the Niners are interested in trading with the Jets, but their target is Amari Cooper (who probably won't be there).
So with the 49ers picking at 15, a trade back would net an additional 2nd and either a 3rd, or 4th (roughly). I would not be upset with that. Middle of the first would also be a place to get a solid o-lineman or maybe even Gurley.
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So with the 49ers picking at 15, a trade back would net an additional 2nd and either a 3rd, or 4th (roughly). I would not be upset with that. Middle of the first would also be a place to get a solid o-lineman or maybe even Gurley.
If we trade back and get Gurley in the first Mac sucks
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If we trade back and get Gurley in the first Mac sucks
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People are calling the Jets asking what it'd cost for Mo.
Duff can die in a fire if we trade mo and take Peat at 6
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People are calling the Jets asking what it'd cost for Mo.
Duff can die in a fire if we trade mo and take Peat at 6
If Cleveland offered 12 and 19, would you consider it?
Not saying I would, but just throwing it out there.
Any scenario where the Jets take Peat at 6, Duff can DIAF
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steady fellas. Don't get suckered into "smokescreen week".
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If Cleveland offered 12 and 19, would you consider it?
Not saying I would, but just throwing it out there.
Any scenario where the Jets take Peat at 6, Duff can DIAF
For giggles,
Leonard Williams is on the clock at six, call Cleveland ask if that's still on the table, take Williams, then take Gurley and Cam Erving.
Makes for a fun excercise but I'd never want to part with Mo right now, no way
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For giggles,
Leonard Williams is on the clock at six, call Cleveland ask if that's still on the table, take Williams, then take Gurley and Cam Erving.
Makes for a fun excercise but I'd never want to part with Mo right now, no way
Or take Williams and run a five man line.
"F(ive) the World" defense.
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@JasonLaCanfora: Lions among the teams making lots of calls about possibly moving down in draft to get more picks. They are not alone.
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@JasonLaCanfora: Lions among the teams making lots of calls about possibly moving down in draft to get more picks. They are not alone.
I still see the Raiders as the most likely trade back team.
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ESPN Browns reporter Pat McManamon reports Cleveland is offering two first-round picks to the Titans for the No. 2 overall pick in the 2015 draft.
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^they'll need to offer more.
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CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora "continue(s) to hear" the Dolphins are "very interested" in trading up for Louisville WR DaVante Parker.
La Canfora calls the Rams -- who hold the No. 10 pick -- a "natural match." St. Louis is reportedly willing to move down, and would likely gladly take the Dolphins' first- and second-round picks in exchange for No. 10. Miami does not have a third-rounder after dealing it for Kenny Stills. Adding Parker, of course, would leave the Dolphins with major holes at cornerback and guard.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Bears are "entertaining trade offers" for TE Martellus Bennett.
CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora confirms the Eagles are "shopping" ILB Mychal Kendricks and are looking for a second-round pick in return.
The Tennessean's Jim Wyatt believes trading for Philip Rivers was the Titans' "Plan A," but indicates the team has since begun to move on.
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Don't believe anything you read 24 hours before the draft. Heard that the Fins covet Gurley, too.
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Heard that the Fins covet Gurley, too.
I believe that.
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Well Miami lost Wallace, Clay, and Hartline.
So they definitely need some passing weapons too
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Well Miami lost Wallace, Clay, and Hartline.
So they definitely need some passing weapons too
They also just acquired Stills, Cameron, and Jennings. Two of which are arguably upgrades.
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http://deadspin.com/something-weird-is-going-on-with-randy-gregory-1701010088
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Duff makin' calls, burning up the phone lines. Doin' tha deals.
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Duff makin' calls, burning up the phone lines. Doin' tha deals.
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Drinking Starbucks while spending bucks on stars.
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That rolling briefcase is filled with burner phones
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Since apparently posting tweets about the Jets in a thread called "New York Jets Tweets" is the wrong place...
(not that I care at all, I'm fine moving the conversation here)
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 21s22 seconds ago
Team that’s been on the phone the most? The #Jets. Potential trade up. Potential trade down. Exploring all options, burning call minutes
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Was gonna be obnoxious, but ill omit.
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http://deadspin.com/something-weird-is-going-on-with-randy-gregory-1701010088
2nd round please.
I can see a Justin Houston like fall and career. Gregory is a top 5 talent in the class.
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Since apparently posting tweets about the Jets in a thread called "New York Jets Tweets" is the wrong place...
(not that I care at all, I'm fine moving the conversation here)
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 21s22 seconds ago
Team that’s been on the phone the most? The #Jets. Potential trade up. Potential trade down. Exploring all options, burning call minutes
If they are considering a trade up, Id have to think its for a QB. I dont think any other player is that good to where you need to trade up. If you miss out on Fowler, take Beasley. If you miss out on Cooper, take White. Need isnt there for Williams.
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Gregory must be bipolar ,have manic depression, or an anxiety disorder
That obscurity is for legal reasons. Makes way more sense now if that's the case.
Even more after hearing Mariucci interview him and him say "I just gotta be a professional and jeep my head on straight "
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Gregory must be bipolar ,have manic depression, or an anxiety disorder
That obscurity is for legal reasons. Makes way more sense now if that's the case.
Even more after hearing Mariucci interview him and him say "I just gotta be a professional and jeep my head on straight "
I hate how advertisers are adulterating the draft process.
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I hate how advertisers are adulterating the draft process.
It's moreso a shame cause it's really nobodies business but the teams interviewing him
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http://deadspin.com/something-weird-is-going-on-with-randy-gregory-1701010088
Is he gay?
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It's moreso a shame cause it's really nobodies business but the teams interviewing him
Haha, you missed the joke, Coach.
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Having Brandon Marshall on the team could be a good influence if that is the case. I'm still a fan of Gregory's talent, even though the weight could be an issue.
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Haha, you missed the joke, Coach.
Dude my brain is fried been moving n busting ny derriere last 48 hours with 3 hours if sleep over the last 72 lol
It's almost Jacobs ladder time over here
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Having Brandon Marshall on the team could be a good influence if that is the case. I'm still a fan of Gregory's talent, even though the weight could be an issue.
Yeah he needs 15 lbs more, playing weight not combine gym rat weight
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Dude my brain is fried been moving n busting ny derriere last 48 hours with 3 hours if sleep over the last 72 lol
It's almost Jacobs ladder time over here
Hold it together, Coach, you'll need your energy when the Jets trade #1s for the next three years to get Jameis.
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Hold it together, Coach, you'll need your energy when the Jets trade #1s for the next three years to get Jameis.
1st in 15 and 26
2nd this year
3rd in 16
Draft room simulator. I'm Phil Savage aa duff
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Gregory must be bipolar ,have manic depression, or an anxiety disorder
That obscurity is for legal reasons. Makes way more sense now if that's the case.
Even more after hearing Mariucci interview him and him say "I just gotta be a professional and jeep my head on straight "
I'll take a bipolar pass rusher if the team knows how to manage him. Use that excrement.
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1st in 15 and 26
2nd this year
3rd in 16
Draft room simulator. I'm Phil Savage aa duff
Tampa really likes those prospects 11 years down the line. I hear they've been trolling elementary schools like crazy.
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Tampa really likes those prospects 11 years down the line. I hear they've been trolling elementary schools like crazy.
Thurman Murman OT
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MMehtaNYDN: T-minus 24 hours until the Bucs are on the clock... Who will the Jets select in the first round? If I weren't sworn to secrecy, I'd tweet it
I hope ESPN hires him for diversity purposes so we don't have to experience his bullshit anymore.
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Here goes this stuff again:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/29/eagles-doing-all-they-can-to-get-mariota/
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I want them to come up to get him. Kelly can fail with his handpicked QB.
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I want them to come up to get him. Kelly can fail with his handpicked QB.
If any team is going to trade rape the Eagles, I don't mind it being Tennessee.
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I hope ESPN hires him for diversity purposes so we don't have to experience his bullshit anymore.
Unless they hire him to replace Cimini.
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Who does Cooper remind you guys of in the NFL?
Gruden just compared him to Tim Brown. I like it.
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I hope ESPN hires him for diversity purposes so we don't have to experience his bullshit anymore.
If that stupid freak has sources in our draft room, we are seriously freaking screwed with this staff
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If that stupid freak has sources in our draft room, we are seriously freaking screwed with this staff
My source just told me who the Jets will take in Round 1, too. I'll tell you right after the pick is made whether I was right or not.
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I hope ESPN hires him for diversity purposes so we don't have to experience his bullshit anymore.
LOL. Does Manish seriously think anyone is buying that someone in the Jets organization told him their plan, but only if he pinky promised to not tell anyone...
What a joke.
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Yeah he needs 15 lbs more, playing weight not combine gym rat weight
Unlike Beasley, Gregory never had any trouble holding his own in the trenches. That was actually one of his big strengths. Playing at 230 is not ideal by any means, but weight never seemed to be an issue on the field.
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Manish is an idiot, the Jets don't even know who they're going to pick.
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Manish is an idiot, the Jets don't even know who they're going to pick.
Once we're on the clock they're going to cut the head off the chicken and let it fall where it may.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/29/54368875514ffca64e1df5c38f1f444d.jpg)
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Unlike Beasley, Gregory never had any trouble holding his own in the trenches. That was actually one of his big strengths. Playing at 230 is not ideal by any means, but weight never seemed to be an issue on the field.
Gregory can't play DE or 34 OLB in the NFL with his body the way it is right now. Adding weight and strength is a must.
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Schefter just said that La'El Collins will not be drafted.
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McShay said we're trying to move up to #2 for Mariota.
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If we're going to trade up for a QB it may as well be Winston.
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If we're going to trade up for a QB it may as well be Winston.
Except for the fact that Mariota could be a better fit in out offense.
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I highly doubt we'd beat this offer
https://twitter.com/975TheFanatic/status/593741021416132608
Tim McManus "Two 1sts, future 2nd round, Cox, Kendricks, and Vinny Curry is the latest package to be in the deal."
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McShay said we're trying to move up to #2 for Mariota.
Told you he'd be our pick.
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We're moving up to 0 for Teddy Bridgewater!
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Schefter just said that La'El Collins will not be drafted.
That makes sense if he can't clear his name by Friday or Saturday. Nobody wants the PR that comes with drafting a guy all tied up in a pregnant woman's murder. If he had nothing to do with it, that freaking sucks more than I can even imagine for him.
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That makes sense if he can't clear his name by Friday or Saturday. Nobody wants the PR that comes with drafting a guy all tied up in a pregnant woman's murder. If he had nothing to do with it, that freaking sucks more than I can even imagine for him.
Duff has guys holding him hostage until their pick in the 2nd round tomorrow.
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I highly doubt we'd beat this offer
https://twitter.com/975TheFanatic/status/593741021416132608
Jets will offer Mo Wilkerson and our next 4 firsts. - Mike Mayock
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I highly doubt we'd beat this offer
https://twitter.com/975TheFanatic/status/593741021416132608
lol we better not
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Assuming the future 1st is from the Bradford trade, that means this is the Mariotta trade. I'm going to include approximate draft compensation for guys.
Traded:
Nick Foles (2nd)
Fletcher Cox (2nd? you'd think at least that)
Mychael Kendricks (3rd? maybe a combo of 4th and future mid-round?)
Vinny Curry (6th?)
2015 1st rounder (#20)
2015 4th round
2016 2nd round
with Sam Bradford for the 12/19 a wash
Get Back:
Marcus Mariotta
2015 5th rounder
maybe a 2016 mid-rounder
The Ditka could be replaced by the Chip.
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Jets will offer Mo Wilkerson and our next 4 firsts. - Mike Mayock
#SnuffDuff
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@AllbrightNFL: Early morning draft day take-it-how-you-will rumor... #Jets trying to move to #2 (Fowler) would move #Titans to 6 (White)
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@AllbrightNFL: Early morning draft day take-it-how-you-will rumor... #Jets trying to move to #2 (Fowler) would move #Titans to 6 (White)
He is fairly inconsistent with rumors and acts like a condescending poopchute to anyone that calls him out on it.
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He is fairly inconsistent with rumors and acts like a condescending poopchute to anyone that calls him out on it.
I'm considering just going to bed until 8pm. I hate hearing all of these asinine draft day rumors, yet I can't get enough of them.
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He is fairly inconsistent with rumors and acts like a condescending poopchute to anyone that calls him out on it.
So he's twitter's version of you? haha
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So he's twitter's version of you? haha
I can dish it out and take it. This guy is a vagina.
AllbrightNFL: Not gonna lie if you're at all insulting in tweeting me today I'm just going to block you. Zero time to deal with children.
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@AllbrightNFL: Early morning draft day take-it-how-you-will rumor... #Jets trying to move to #2 (Fowler) would move #Titans to 6 (White)
Whatever you hear on draft day is always false, so its pretty much guaranteed this isnt happening.
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I can dish it out and take it. This guy is a vagina.
I was joking poopchute.
Btw lots of Jets rumors now, any more credible than the others?
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I was joking poopchute.
Btw lots of Jets rumors now, any more credible than the others?
Josina Anderson seems to be the most tapped into the NYJ organization.
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The Jets will be moving up and back at the same time, while trading and reacquiring Mo Wilkerson and Mariota simultaneously at the same time for Chip Kelly and Leonard Fowler and Bud Winston III.
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Josina Anderson · @JosinaAnderson
30th Apr 2015 from TwitLonger
WR Kevin White to me on what the #Jets told him re: possb. of drafting him w/ Marshall & Decker on roster: "They told me we could have mismatches on the field at all times. I could play the 'X,' Brandon Marshall could play the 'Z' and Eric Decker can play the 'Y' in a hurry-up type offense. They said, if I'm the best guy on the board at the time, then it's never a bad idea to add another dominant receiver."
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Does White have any upside over Cooper?
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So they told him they're taking the best player?
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Does White have any upside over Cooper?
He's a little bigger and is more of a threat in the redzone.
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Does White have any upside over Cooper?
White has a higher ceiling, seems like White to the Jets is gaining momentum. I think Scherff is a wild card.
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Does White have any upside over Cooper?
He's got dem hands.
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Funny reading this thread now. Someone just told me that Amari Cooper is likely the Jets target at 6 (or possibly in a trade up). So just another nugget to take with a grain of salt.
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Well yesterday we were discussing it being a Beasely vs White toss up at 6
it's looking more n more true.
He's my 3rd ranked WR but still a top 10 grade
But we've ran this into the ground at this point lol
I kept crying for WR so I'd be on board. but I couldn't complain even though I like Beasely despite him being from Clemson
But yeah loading up at WR will be nice for once
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Josina Anderson seems to be the most tapped into the NYJ organization.
I'd like to get tapped into Josina Anderson
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I'd like to get tapped into Josina Anderson
Just looked her up. Actually pretty hot for a black chick.
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I'd like to get tapped into Josina Anderson
Yeah she's fine as hell
Is Bowles single? I'd bone her for the occasional news break lol
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Well yesterday we were discussing it being a Beasely vs White toss up at 6
it's looking more n more true.
He's my 3rd ranked WR but still a top 10 grade
But we've ran this into the ground at this point lol
I kept crying for WR so I'd be on board. but I couldn't complain even though I like Beasely despite him being from Clemson
But yeah loading up at WR will be nice for once
White, if available, should be the pick, with Fowler & Cooper gone.
Kerley is overrated and over paid, plus White will be legitimate deep threat.
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Upon insertion
This just in.....
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I won't be upset if Kevin White is the pick, but I'd prefer the Jets go in another direction. OLB and OL are more important, I think.
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White, if available, should be the pick, with Fowler & Cooper gone.
Kerley is overrated and over paid, plus White will be legitimate deep threat.
You don't have to justify the puck to me I've lobbied for WR.
My only knock on white is an underdeveloped route tree from the system, and 1 yr of division 1 production.
He's the biggest boom bust of the top 3 WR.
Like I said I have Parker ahead of him but all 3 wr top 10 on my big board
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I won't be upset if Kevin White is the pick, but I'd prefer the Jets go in another direction. OLB and OL are more important, I think.
Couple pages back I said I'd take beasely over White but I agree at they are but long term wr is still a top 3 need. 4 if you wanna get picky
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Just looked her up. Actually pretty hot for a black chick.
Lololol why am I not surprised
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I wouldn't take Beasley over White, Parker, Peat, Flowers, or Dupree.
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Couple pages back I said I'd take beasely over White but I agree at they are but long term wr is still a top 3 need. 4 if you wanna get picky
If Mike M has his players ranked correctly.....White is over Beasley.
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I'm all for building a basketball team. Between Marshall, Decker, White, and Amaro, all of our receivers would be over 6'3.
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You don't have to justify the puck to me I've lobbied for WR.
My only knock on white is an underdeveloped route tree from the system, and 1 yr of division 1 production.
He's the biggest boom bust of the top 3 WR.
Like I said I have Parker ahead of him but all 3 wr top 10 on my big board
Wait a second who has to justify me?
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What's the worst possible, but realistic scenario for today?
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What's the worst possible, but realistic scenario for today?
Draft Beasley over White/OL.
Draft Williams and trade Mo Wilk.
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What's the worst possible, but realistic scenario for today?
1. Winston
2. Mariota
3. Fowler
4. Cooper
5. White
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If Mike M has his players ranked correctly.....White is over Beasley.
Lol I would too. I'm just sick of not having a pass rusher.
At this point I just don't want us trading up unless it's to 4 to take fowler .
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1. Winston
2. Mariota
3. Fowler
4. Cooper
5. White
In that scenario, trade out and get extra pics....someone will want Williams.
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1. Winston
2. Mariota
3. Fowler
4. Cooper
5. White
I'll be stunned if that happens.
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1. Winston
2. Mariota
3. Fowler
4. Cooper
5. White
Who should we pick in that case?
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1. Winston
2. Mariota
3. Fowler
4. Cooper
5. White
I lije Beasely but I second this
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Who should we pick in that case?
He will say Peat
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Who should we pick in that case?
Beasley or trade out.
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Who should we pick in that case?
Trade out.
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Who should we pick in that case?
If we can't trade the pick to someone that wants Leonard Williams, I think we should take Brandon Scherff, Ereck Flowers, or Andrus Peat. Whoever Maccagnan and staff have as the highest rated OL.
If not OL, I would go Bud Dupree.
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1. Winston
2. Mariota
3. Fowler
4. Cooper
5. White
So basically this is what's going to happen.
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in tgat scenario an extra 3rd is not enough to swing it with ATL while they move for Beasely.
Make it a 2nd and I'd do it. Maybe even a 2nd in 16
I'm not in love with Beasely but I do like him enough to not trade from 6 to 8 for a 3rd.
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So basically this is what's going to happen.
It wouldn't be surprising at all. I think Washington is going to trade out with a team that wants to get ahead of the Jets for Fowler or White/Cooper.
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So basically this is what's going to happen.
Probably, we are Jet Fans.
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I'm not in love with Beasely but I do like him enough to not trade from 6 to 8 for a 3rd.
He only does one thing though. He's basically a situational pass rusher that can develop into something more.
NFL tackles are going to kick his derriere in the run game.
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I'd be fine with Scherff if it fell that way.
thou shalt walk the trenches, in the name of our Gord. Amen
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So basically this is what's going to happen.
Yeah I'm pretty much convinced that this will be the order.
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Williams & Gurley could be players that a team trades up for with the Jets. Teams may want to get ahead of ATL, who may have interest in Gurley.
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I'll be stunned if that happens.
It would require a trade up, but it could happen if Chicago thinks we want White or the Browns make a bold move.
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It would require a trade up, but it could happen if Chicago thinks we want White or the Browns make a bold move.
I agree. Someone would have to leapfrog us for White, but I don't see the Skins passing on Williams.
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I'd be fine with Scherff if it fell that way.
thou shalt walk the trenches, in the name of our Gord. Amen
If we have to stay at 6, I'd take Scherff or Parker.
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He only does one thing though. He's basically a situational pass rusher that can develop into something more.
NFL tackles are going to kick his derriere in the run game.
And I made a detailed breakdown at one point about it. I'll see if I can find it. Only person to co sign was Cane though.
he will definitely be a liability in tge run game initially. I think he's stronger than given credit for. I also think he can rotate inside in Bowles scheme , especially in those heavy DB inside blitz packages he likes so much
He's not perfect that's for sure but I see a potential perrenial double digit sack guy. Even as a specialist, that's nothing to balk at.
I think he can develop.
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It wouldn't be surprising at all. I think Washington is going to trade out with a team that wants to get ahead of the Jets for Fowler or White/Cooper.
Probably, we are Jet Fans.
Yeah I'm pretty much convinced that this will be the order.
Pretty much yeah
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Found it. Like I said I'm not dying go draft him but.....
He's the best pass rusher in this class. He will initially be a liability in run defense but can easily be a double digit sack guy. he's not a one trick speed pony. He has a full set of rushing moves and way more power than he's given credit for.
He was 246 at the combine. So would 4 lbs extra make the world of difference?
He will probably play at 240 , he's 22 years old. I'm sure he can eventually play at a weight of 245 easy.
he can also play inside I think especially in Bowles scheme.
like I said initially he will be a liability in run defense but he'd instantly be the best edge rusher we've seen since John Abraham. And I don't think that can be overlooked.
Shane Ray acts like an amputee once engaged, Randy Gregory has scary bust potential, Fowler won't be available, Hunter is a freak who's a good run defender who can stack n shed but is slow off the snap contrary to combine numbers, Harold has potential but is inconsistent .
All I'm saying is, there's more positives than negatives for Beasely, especially when you look at the rest of the class.
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All I'm saying is, there's more positives than negatives for Beasely, especially when you look at the rest of the class.
I disagree with this. He may not have a true position and he hasn't defended the run at a high level.
This is not one of those the good outweighs the bad type of situations. He's a very risky pick.
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No developmental projects please.
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Just said this in another thread.
Would anyone be opposed to trading to 5 maybe even 4 if Fowler or Cooper were there?
id give up a 4th in a heartbeat if it was the cost to 5 for either and I imagine the asking price would be a 3rd similar to the ATL NYJ swap rumors
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Just said this in another thread.
Would anyone be opposed to trading to 5 maybe even 4 if Fowler or Cooper were there?
id give up a 4th in a heartbeat if it was the cost to 5 for either and I imagine the asking price would be a 3rd similar to the ATL NYJ swap rumors
I would give up a 4th to move up a spot to secure Dante Fowler. I would have to think about trading up for a receiver.
I just hope we trade back.
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I disagree with this. He may not have a true position and he hasn't defended the run at a high level.
This is not one of those the good outweighs the bad type of situations. He's a very risky pick.
To me it is when you look at the rest of the class.
But we will agree to disagree.
I can't argue the true position worry. But I obviously just like him more than the rest.
Like I said I'd be fine with pretty much anything except Mariota or Ray at this point lol
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I would take Marcus Mariota over anybody in this class but Dante Fowler. The positional value beats everything.
It's not happening though.
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I would take Marcus Mariota over anybody in this class but Dante Fowler. The positional value beats everything.
It's not happening though.
If he falls to 6. Fine. No argument. Trading up? freak off lol
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If he falls to 6. Fine. No argument. Trading up? freak off lol
I don't want to trade up for him because I don't like him, but if the team honestly views him as a franchise QB, I don't mind trading up in the slightest.
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If he falls to 6. Fine. No argument. Trading up? freak off lol
I hate that system at Oregon, but the kid has the tools to be a superstar in this league.
We have a coordinator that took pieces of the west coast offense and turned it into a variation of the spread. He's a strong fit in a shotgun based scheme that Gailey runs and he wouldn't have to play immediately.
Having Marshall, Decker, Kerley, and Amaro helps too.
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Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL
Early morning draft day take-it-how-you-will rumor... #Jets trying to move to #2 (Fowler) would move #Titans to 6 (White)
10:40 AM - 30 Apr 2015
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I don't want to trade up for him because I don't like him, but if the team honestly views him as a franchise QB, I don't mind trading up in the slightest.
At what cost
Cause CLE and PHI seem to be able to offer more. Whether that's speculation (probably is) but I don't like the idea of trumping any rumored offers of those teams for him
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Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL
Early morning draft day take-it-how-you-will rumor... #Jets trying to move to #2 (Fowler) would move #Titans to 6 (White)
10:40 AM - 30 Apr 2015
already posted
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At what cost
Cause CLE and PHI seem to be able to offer more. Whether that's speculation (probably is) but I don't like the idea of trumping any rumored offers of those teams for him
If Bowles and Maccagnan think they can compete for a playoff spot now, giving them a 2016 first with the #6 pick would be OK with me.
This team needs a QB and we'll likely be too competitive to land one of the top dogs in 2016.
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I hate that system at Oregon, but the kid has the tools to be a superstar in this league.
We have a coordinator that took pieces of the west coast offense and turned it into a variation of the spread. He's a strong fit in a shotgun based scheme that Gailey runs and he wouldn't have to play immediately.
Having Marshall, Decker, Kerley, and Amaro helps too.
I've never argued his tools. He reminds me if a better version of Alex Smith. Considering he was the epitome of mediocre till hes been with both Harbaugh and Reid respectively, combined with the Oregon system stigma Results in my lack of desire to see us move up to 2 for him.
Most I'd give up is 1st this year, 1st next, and 3rd in 2016
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At what cost
Cause CLE and PHI seem to be able to offer more. Whether that's speculation (probably is) but I don't like the idea of trumping any rumored offers of those teams for him
Cleveland and Philly can offer a pair of mid-round picks. There is a world of difference between that and 6. If we think he's as good as the prospects next year, or if we think we can't get a QB next year, trade two 1s. I really don't think the Titans want a QB, especially another one who needs to sit. They'll take the offer that helps them most when push comes to shove, and I don't think any of those other offers are real. I think it's a weaker trade market than we're hearing and Tennessee can get a player it really wants at 6.
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already posted
I hadn't seen that . Hmmmmm.
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I've never argued his tools. He reminds me if a better version of Alex Smith. Considering he was the epitome of mediocre till hes been with both Harbaugh and Reid respectively, combined with the Oregon system stigma Results in my lack of desire to see us move up to 2 for him.
Most I'd give up is 1st this year, 1st next, and 3rd in 2016
If I thought I was getting a franchise QB, I'd do that without question and trip running up to the podium. I don't think he's worth it, but ultimately we are fucked if the front office doesn't know more than we do.
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If we trade up to 2 for Fowler I'd be pissed.
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Cleveland and Philly can offer a pair of mid-round picks. There is a world of difference between that and 6. If we think he's as good as the prospects next year, or if we think we can't get a QB next year, trade two 1s. I really don't think the Titans want a QB, especially another one who needs to sit. They'll take the offer that helps them most when push comes to shove, and I don't think any of those other offers are real. I think it's a weaker trade market than we're hearing and Tennessee can get a player it really wants at 6.
The most realistic scenario was the previously mentioned rumor of them targeting White at 6.
You do make a good point about the trade market probably being inflated since they're using the fuckin Skins deal for RG3 as a benchmark and Snyder should always be the exception not the rule lol
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If I thought I was getting a franchise QB, I'd do that without question and trip running up to the podium. I don't think he's worth it, but ultimately we are fucked if the front office doesn't know more than we do.
Amen
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If we trade up to 2 for Fowler I'd be pissed.
It doesn't make any sense.
Because why would we give up more to trade up for a linebacker than other teams would give up to get a franchise QB?
If the rumor was we wanted to trade up to 3 that'd be one thing, but us trading to 2 for him is absurd and retarded in every single which way. It's completely unbelievable
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My wife sent me a text saying that CNN says we are taking Bud Dupree. I just didn't respond. At least she is trying to be interested.
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My wife sent me a text saying that CNN says we are taking Bud Dupree. I just didn't respond. At least she is trying to be interested.
You should respond: "Do you mean Bud Winston III? LOL freaking amateur"
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You should respond: "Do you mean Bud Winston III? LOL freaking amateur"
I just lol'ed in the DMV. And im pretty much miserable right now
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I just lol'ed in the DMV. And in pretty much miserable right now
did that two weeks ago and wanted to go on a killing spree about 5 minutes in
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did that two weeks ago and wanted to go on a killing spree about 5 minutes in
"Now imagine if you had that feeling every week in the welfare line"
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This place is completely full of just the worst people ever
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"Now imagine if you had that feeling every week in the welfare line"
"LOL you know those people don't wait in lines"
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I mentioned this to Badger off the site yesterday:
How great is it that a dude named Bud is moving up in the draft because Shane Ray and Randy Gregory both like to smoke?
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If we trade up to 2 for Fowler I'd be pissed.
yeah. this team should only be trading up for a QB.
and thats not because Mariota is a better prospect, but trading future picks for a non-elite OLB prospect when you dont have a QB is a terrible idea.
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yeah. this team should only be trading up for a QB.
and thats not because Mariota is a better prospect, but trading future picks for a non-elite OLB prospect when you dont have a QB is a terrible idea.
He's an elite prospect. I think he's the #2 overall prospect in the draft after Leonard Williams.
That doesn't mean we should trade up for him though.
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This place is completely full of just the worst people ever
and you didn't even get to the window yet, just wait.
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He's an elite prospect. I think he's the #2 overall prospect in the draft after Leonard Williams.
That doesn't mean we should trade up for him though.
Mack vs Fowler, who you taking?
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Mack vs Fowler, who you taking?
They are similar prospects. This would be a lot more interesting if they were part of the same draft class.
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and you didn't even get to the window yet, just wait.
What's the over under on nail length if it's a female?
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This is awesome. No one has any remote idea what the Jets will do.
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Rumor that the Browns are looking to trade #19 to the Eagles for Bradford. Imagine if the Eagles make that deal and then swap all three first rounders for #2.
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Rumor that the Browns are looking to trade #19 to the Eagles for Bradford. Imagine if the Eagles make that deal and then swap all three first rounders for #2.
Schefter just said that the Browns aren't coming up for Mariota anymore. This could happen.
It'd be hilarious if Chip gave up three firsts for him. The Titans would probably waste all of the picks too.
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Rumor that the Browns are looking to trade #19 to the Eagles for Bradford. Imagine if the Eagles make that deal and then swap all three first rounders for #2.
The Eagles only have one first rounder now, right?
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The Eagles only have one first rounder now, right?
yeah. Im confused, unless he was including 2016
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19, 20, and 2016 1st
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It'll never happen but I'd die if Washington moved up and took Mariota so Chip has to stare at his dream in his own division.
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It'll never happen but I'd die if Washington moved up and took Mariota so Chip has to stare at his dream in his own division.
That would be the best
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yeah. Im confused, unless he was including 2016
The 2016 was a rumored part of their offer already.
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It would also be funny to see Washington give up like 6 first round picks for the 2 QB's on their roster
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What's the over under on nail length if it's a female?
Hahah probably as long as the eyebrows.
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I hope the Titans takes L. Williams just to throw everything off. It'll be wild trade craziness if that happens.
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I was thinking about the Jets trading back. The thought was that no one would be willing to trade with the Jets because either there won't be anyone worth it at that point or there are other teams that make more sense to trade with.
If the top 5 happens as everyone expects, then the Jets at 6 would be the first spot to grab the next group of guys, almost like a mini 2nd round. If another team has a boner for White, Dupree, Beasley, etc., they could see the Jets as a place to make sure you get that guy (that isn't one of the top 5) before any other team beats you to the punch.
I hope we are able to trade back maybe 3-5 spots and still get a top tier guy, while getting another pick later on.
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From a few years ago:
(http://i.imgur.com/92taq2h.jpg)
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I wonder if Chicago would move down to 5 to get White? Then we'd be staring L. Williams, Fowler, or Cooper in the face.
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From a few years ago:
(http://i.imgur.com/92taq2h.jpg)
FYI, they showed a picture of that this year, and I don't believe anyone was on that list.
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I wonder if Chicago would move down to 5 to get White? Then we'd be staring L. Williams, Fowler, or Cooper in the face.
I think Chicago and Atlanta both want 3-4 OLBs.
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The last time the Jets drafted at #6 the board fell the exact wrong way. I hope that doesn't happen again.
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The last time the Jets drafted at #6 the board fell the exact wrong way. I hope that doesn't happen again.
No, we got who Mangini wanted the whole time.
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No, we got who Mangini wanted the whole time.
Hey man, if the Chiefs had taken Gholston we could have gotten Glenn Dorsey instead. Huge improvement
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JayGlazer: Scoopage: Agent for LSU's La'el Collins trying to pull him from this draft allowing him time to clear his name then enter Supplemental Draft
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^ Damn.
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RapSheet: What @JayGlazer said is true. Agent for La’El Collins met with the NFLPA to request he be allowed in Supplemental Draft. We’ll see.
Someone will probably use a second on him in the Supplemental Draft
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Someone will probably use a second on him in the Supplemental Draft
If he's cleared by the time the supplemental draft starts, I would expect half the NFL to bid a 2nd or 3rd rounder on him. The question is how many teams would bid 1st-round picks?
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Someone will probably use a second on him in the Supplemental Draft
It sounds like his request will be denied and he's going to be in this draft.
What's the earliest you'd like to see us take him?
Personally for a 4th id be pretty happy
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It sounds like his request will be denied and he's going to be in this draft.
What's the earliest you'd like to see us take him?
Personally for a 4th id be pretty happy
If he truly isn't a suspect and they can prove that, take him in the second and don't look back.
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Adam Schefter: NFL rejected La'el Collins' request to be removed from draft until police complete murder investigation, per source. No supp draft for him.
free fall
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It sounds like his request will be denied and he's going to be in this draft.
What's the earliest you'd like to see us take him?
Personally for a 4th id be pretty happy
Stay the freak away until it's 100% he isn't involved at all. I do not want to be a fan of the team that drafts the next Hernandez.
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Stay the freak away until it's 100% he isn't involved at all. I do not want to be a fan of the team that drafts the next Hernandez.
If you draft Collins, you can cut him without owing a dime if he ends up being involved. I don't think it's the same as Hernandez at all.
If he drops to Day 3, you have to start thinking about him I think.
If Collins is cleared, he would be the most highly-sought after UDFA ever. Could get a nice contract from whatever team he wanted.
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If you draft Collins, you can cut him without owing a dime if he ends up being involved. I don't think it's the same as Hernandez at all.
If he drops to Day 3, you have to start thinking about him I think.
If Collins is cleared, he would be the most highly-sought after UDFA ever. Could get a nice contract from whatever team he wanted.
No, it would be worse since they have fair warning before the draft begins.
Going undrafted is the best thing for him and the league. Teams can stay clear until they know it won't be another black mark on the league and if he didn't do anything he recoups a lot the money he is going to lose by falling out of the first.
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If you draft Collins, you can cut him without owing a dime if he ends up being involved. I don't think it's the same as Hernandez at all.
If he drops to Day 3, you have to start thinking about him I think.
If Collins is cleared, he would be the most highly-sought after UDFA ever. Could get a nice contract from whatever team he wanted.
Really the only downside to him after the 4th round would be the impact on your franchise in the worst case scenario (murder conviction). I'd take him after the 4th and just let it be known that his derriere will be cut if he's associated with any wrong doing. Worst case, you tossed away a 5th rounder. We've done worse.
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Really the only downside to him after the 4th round would be the impact on your franchise in the worst case scenario (murder conviction). I'd take him after the 4th and just let it be known that his derriere will be cut if he's associated with any wrong doing. Worst case, you tossed away a 5th rounder. We've done worse.
Exactly. If this becomes a big deal, you cut him, don't owe him a dime, and you only take a minor PR hit. I think the risk of a minor PR hit is far outweighed by the potential reward.
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Exactly. If this becomes a big deal, you cut him, don't owe him a dime, and you only take a minor PR hit. I think the risk of a minor PR hit is far outweighed by the potential reward.
Even if you owe him his full contract, it won't be a lot in the 5th round.
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Even if you owe him his full contract, it won't be a lot in the 5th round.
Yes, but you wouldn't sign him to a contract until the crap is cleared up.
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Yes, but you wouldn't sign him to a contract until the crap is cleared up.
True.
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The fact that he is trying to clear his name and get into the supplemental draft suggests he didn't do it. I would think that if he knew he killed someone or was involved in it criminally he wouldn't care about the draft. The draft would be the least of his concerns.
All conjecture of course.
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Just finished emptying my old place.
Lol about 5 or 6 hours or sleep in 4 days.
Time to meet up with a few friends n scream at our pick.
Maybe I'll do one of those cheesy reaction videos lol
Vanderychuk vineyards finest
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No, it would be worse since they have fair warning before the draft begins.
Going undrafted is the best thing for him and the league. Teams can stay clear until they know it won't be another black mark on the league and if he didn't do anything he recoups a lot the money he is going to lose by falling out of the first.
Totally agree
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He could pull crazy money in FA for a rookie too if he's cleared. That will be a real interesting negotiation with teams.
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Just to be sure, no rookie cap applies to UDFA right?
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Bears trying to trade Jay Cutler to Titans. Titans don't want him.
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Apparently people have started rumors that Chip Kelly will eventually become the coach of the Titans. Haha.
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Chip Kelly trades himself to Tennessee
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Terry McCormick @terrymc13
#Titans seem to like Dorial Green-Beckham, who was in for a pre-draft visit. Wouldn't be shocked if he is the pick at No. 33.
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good
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good
Yeah freak him. Solid talent big potential
Utter freaking moron.
He was a top 15 guy without the Tropic Thunder full retard syndrome.
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If he truly isn't a suspect and they can prove that, take him in the second and don't look back.
Agreed but tgat would take a crack staff of PIs on the Jets payroll lol.
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I throwing someone down a flight of stairs if we draft that imbecile.
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Rick Stroud @NFLSTROUD
#Bucs thrilled Oregon T Jake Fisher and Pitt T.J. Clemmings are still available and will target one with 34th pick.
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Agreed but tgat would take a crack staff of PIs on the Jets payroll lol.
Just from a common sense stand point, I dont see how someone who knows he's going to jail would apply for the Supplemental draft. If he actually did it, I would think his freedom would be his primary concern, rather than his draft stock.
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Just from a common sense stand point, I dont see how someone who knows he's going to jail would apply for the Supplemental draft. If he actually did it, I would think his freedom would be his primary concern, rather than his draft stock.
That's what his agent is for. His agent can worry about his draft stock and make moves like that one.
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That's what his agent is for. His agent can worry about his draft stock and make moves like that one.
But I would still think that his agent would only really do this if there was a reason to care about his draft stock.
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But I would still think that his agent would only really do this if there was a reason to care about his draft stock.
There's always a reason to care about his draft stock. You never know what can happen. Even if he were guilty (which I doubt), he'd still be an idiot not to get his draft stock in order in case he skated.
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La'el Collins won't sign if he doesn't get drafted today.
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La'el Collins won't sign if he doesn't get drafted today.
I don't like this guy.
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La'el Collins won't sign if he doesn't get drafted today.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ru8DMW-grY&autoplay=1
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Beane - it's a quarterback league, and until you know you have the guy you want to build your offense around, you're constantly searching. We're still in the process of getting that accomplished.
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MOBILE, Ala. -- Browns GM John Dorsey will meet with Wyoming's Josh Allen and Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield at the Senior Bowl, but has already indicated they're in the discussion for the Browns' pick at No. 1.
Others on the radar are USC's Sam Darnold, UCLA's Josh Rosen and possibly one more.
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AKA Barkley if for some reason Cousins decides to play in Cleveland or they love all of the top 4 QBs
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So...the Browns are currently considering every available player with the #1 pick? Good to know.
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“He’s an outstanding player and I can’t wait to get to work with him,” Shurmur said during his introductory press conference.
Shurmur also said that he likes Eli’s calm demeanor, and Shurmur said nothing to suggest that he’ll want to move on from the first overall pick in the 2004 draft.
“I think he’s got years left,” Shurmur said of Eli.
Allen at 1 and OT at 2 would be an ideal scenario for us
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Allen at 1 and OT at 2 would be an ideal scenario for us
Honestly any scenario where Danrold and Rosen QBs aren't picked in the first two picks would be great. Plus, If Allen was off the board before the Jets pick, I would feel a lot better.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/4-reasons-qb-baker-mayfield-play-browns-no-1-draft-pick-225648068.html
If Baker Mayfield’s flag wasn’t planted at the No. 1 pick in the draft a week ago, he’s squarely in play for the Cleveland Browns after a strong showing at the Senior Bowl.
Lol.
Good: All these QBs rumored to go high makes players at other positions drop.
Bad: If we still need a QB at draft time.....
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Today’s rumor is Baker Mayfield to Cleveland
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Today’s rumor is Baker Mayfield to Cleveland
Honestly I can't wait to see what Cleveland does. They will definitely take a QB 1. Lot of speculation they may pay a bit to move up Indy to get Barkley and they have the ammo to do it.
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Today’s rumor is Baker Mayfield to Cleveland
Skot the drunk apparently loves Mayfield.
But...he's also drunk. so there's that.
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Skot the drunk apparently loves Mayfield.
But...he's also drunk. so there's that.
my favorite was him getting fired then going on the radio to excrement on Cousins because he couldnt build around him
freaking clown
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my favorite was him getting fired then going on the radio to excrement on Cousins because he couldnt build around him
freaking clown
he does have a keen eye for talent though. I think he was a solid hire for Cleveland, provided he can stay out of the nearest pub.
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he does have a keen eye for talent though. I think he was a solid hire for Cleveland, provided he can stay out of the nearest pub.
lolol
they have such little faith in their current front office theyre hiring a drunk to do pre draft reports?
i mean its always good to have other scouting reports in the building. long as hes not allowed to pull the trigger they should be good
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lolol
they have such little faith in their current front office theyre hiring a drunk to do pre draft reports?
i mean its always good to have other scouting reports in the building. long as hes not allowed to pull the trigger they should be good
he's just a cog in the machine. They also hired Dorsey and Ron Wolf's kid. Dorsey was no slouch in KC.
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he's just a cog in the machine. They also hired Dorsey and Ron Wolf's kid. Dorsey was no slouch in KC.
i mean it all sounds good. theyre almost in an impossible to freak up situation.
but i am friends with some die hard browns fans. and the joke every year is "how do we freak this one up?"
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they could start by giving up more picks to secure number 2 rofl
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i mean it all sounds good. theyre almost in an impossible to freak up situation.
but i am friends with some die hard browns fans. and the joke every year is "how do we freak this one up?"
sometimes as a jets fan, I can relate.
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sometimes as a jets fan, I can relate.
this year sucks.
4 QB's im completely unenthusiastic about but all have potential.
we need a edge rusher and Chubb or Edmunds will be available.
FML
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With the Jets trading to the third spot, the Bills would have to go to No. 2 to make sure they get the quarterback they need. That might not be hard since Beane and Giants G.M. Dave Gettleman are close, but Beane said he still doesn’t know enough about the labor pool to make that call, since he and coach Sean McDermott only have a handful of brief combine interviews with the top prospects to go on.
“The truth? Most of these quarterbacks I’ve only spent 15 minutes with,” Beane said, via Peter King of SI.com. “I haven’t spent enough time to have an opinion about any of them yet, honestly. I actually sent a little note to our [scouts] yesterday. We got six weeks to get our board together.
“I am not there yet, knowing if we can or will move up again. I want Sean to get to know all of them. We’re just keeping an open mind. Where we’re at, we’ve got the picks, we’ve got the draft capital. I’m not ready to pull the trigger.”
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According to ESPN Giants reporter Jordan Raanan, USC's Sam Darnold is the only quarterback the Giants would take at the No. 2 overall pick.
Same thing as the Chris Canty rumor from today
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Same thing as the Chris Canty rumor from today
I can believe this. We can get Rosen (assuming this is true) if the Giants stay put, and the Browns take anyone but Rosen at 1 (the latter of which I do think is likely).
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like i've been mentioning the past few days, the more and more i think about it, the more and more i see the giants taking someone other than a qb.
i really think rosen will be there for us. darnold is out of the realm for us at 3. what's going to happen is that he'll most likely be the #1 pick, and the giants go non-qb at 2.
however, if the browns end up taking allen 1, there is no way darnold slips past 2. either way, we are looking at rosen with the #3 pick.
just bring me a quarterback that is a pure passer. let's go
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like i've been mentioning the past few days, the more and more i think about it, the more and more i see the giants taking someone other than a qb.
i really think rosen will be there for us. darnold is out of the realm for us at 3. what's going to happen is that he'll most likely be the #1 pick, and the giants go non-qb at 2.
however, if the browns end up taking allen 1, there is no way darnold slips past 2. either way, we are looking at rosen with the #3 pick.
just bring me a quarterback that is a pure passer. let's go
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/283/235/7e3.jpg)
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like i've been mentioning the past few days, the more and more i think about it, the more and more i see the giants taking someone other than a qb.
i really think rosen will be there for us. darnold is out of the realm for us at 3. what's going to happen is that he'll most likely be the #1 pick, and the giants go non-qb at 2.
however, if the browns end up taking allen 1, there is no way darnold slips past 2. either way, we are looking at rosen with the #3 pick.
just bring me a quarterback that is a pure passer. let's go
All the talking heads who claim it would be crazy for the Giants to pass on a QB are missing the fact that there are players at premium positions worthy of top 3 picks in this draft. If they plan on sticking with Eli for the next 3 years, it makes sense to draft either the stud pass rusher or the RB who is as good of an offensive prospect that has come along in a long long time.
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Dan Patrick Show:
https://youtu.be/dNfr5FsDCmw
Supposedly the Browns prefer Allen over Darnold and want to manipulate the Giants into trading up.
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Dan Patrick Show:
https://youtu.be/dNfr5FsDCmw
Supposedly the Browns prefer Allen over Darnold and want to manipulate the Giants into trading up.
Please Browns please. Give me Rosen.
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A friend of #Browns GM John Dorsey told @SI_PeterKing that he believes Cleveland will take Josh Allen over Sam Darnold with the first pick, and take Saquon Barkley, if available, with the fourth pick.
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Ugh, the draft can't come soon enough. Rumors like this are going to eat at me until it's all said and done.
That said, Allen going 1 is pretty much the dream scenario.
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Ugh, the draft can't come soon enough. Rumors like this are going to eat at me until it's all said and done.
That said, Allen going 1 is pretty much the dream scenario.
I'm glad I'm relatively busy between now and then. Bachelor party this weekend and my friend's wedding two weeks later. Should speed things up until then.
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If they really like Barkley, I wonder if taking Allen first overall is to virtually guarantee Barkley is there at 4. It Allen goes 1 overall, you can almost guarantee Darnold goes 2 to the Giants. Jets are taking a QB. There's Barkley at 4.
If the Browns take Darnold, the Giants might take Barkley.
Either way, pleeeeeeease happen.
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If they really like Barkley, I wonder if taking Allen first overall is to virtually guarantee Barkley is there at 4. It Allen goes 1 iverall, you can almost guarantee Darnold goes 2 to the Giants. Jets are taking a QB. There's Barkley at 4.
If the Browns take Darnold, the Giants might take Barkley.
Either way, pleeeeeeease happen.
I think Allen going 1 would guarantee it for them but it wouldn't matter unless they absolutely think Allen is the best pick. It would be insane to strategically pick a worse player to make sure another one falls to you.
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I think Allen going 1 would guarantee it for them but it wouldn't matter unless they absolutely think Allen is the best pick. It would be insane to strategically pick a worse player to make sure another one falls to you.
Agreed. Unless you're convinced Allen is the best guy in the draft, you're crazy to pick him 1 and hope for anything to happen after that.
What if the Giants choose to stick with Eli and take Barkley? What if the Giants trade the pick to someone who takes Barkley? What if the Jets do something insane?
I really hope they think Allen is the best player in the draft.
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Agreed. Unless you're convinced Allen is the best guy in the draft, you're crazy to pick him 1 and hope for anything to happen after that.
What if the Giants choose to stick with Eli and take Barkley? What if the Giants trade the pick to someone who takes Barkley? What if the Jets do something insane?
I really hope they think Allen is the best player in the draft.
Maybe he is.
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Maybe he is.
I've certainly considered that angle many times over the past couple of months.
I'd rather the Browns be the ones to find out.
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A friend of #Browns GM John Dorsey told @SI_PeterKing that he believes Cleveland will take Josh Allen over Sam Darnold with the first pick, and take Saquon Barkley, if available, with the fourth pick.
This would be amazing and the best case scenario...which means it's definitely not happening
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I've certainly considered that angle many times over the past couple of months.
I'd rather the Browns be the ones to find out.
I think every Jets fan everywhere is in agreement with you there.
If he becomes the greatest QB of our time, we never had a chance at him, if he ends up a total disaster, thank goodness we didn't have a chance to pick him, and if he ends up a middling NFL average guy, hopefully our guy works out better.
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I think Allen going 1 would guarantee it for them but it wouldn't matter unless they absolutely think Allen is the best pick. It would be insane to strategically pick a worse player to make sure another one falls to you.
your last sentence is key.
it'd make no sense to take their 2nd QB in allen and avoid taking darnold so that he'd go to the giants, just to ensure that saquon is there at 4. if this was their goal for the draft, then they'd take saquon at 1 and still get allen at 4.
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It depends how far apart the Browns have Allen and Darnold. If they have them pretty close, it makes some sense. If Darnold is their clear number 1, it doesn't.
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You guys are forgetting...this is the jets. We're gonna draft Allen.
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You guys are forgetting...this is the jets. We're gonna draft Chubb.
Fyp
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Fyp
Nah..we traded up for a QB...just not the one we all want.
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Nah..we traded up for a QB...just not the one we all want.
Jets trade back to 6, gain a 6th rounder.
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According to Bleacher Report's Mike Freeman, the Patriots are the "most interested" in the former Louisville quarterback, although several teams "have been impressed with his intelligence and football acumen."
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Doesn't surprise me since McDaniels was infatuated with Tebows athleticism
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Go ahead and take him in the first. Best case, he'll backup Brady and get flipped for a pick in a few years when Brady is 44 years old and still freaking playing well.
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ideal fits for Lamar would be NO NE LAC PIT
any place where he can sit and learn. the kid just needs to add on weight and work on his footwork. kid is way more talented than Vick was coming out of VT. after RG3 though i dont think anyone wants to spend a top 10 pick on a dual threat
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ideal fits for Lamar would be NO NE LAC PIT
any place where he can sit and learn. the kid just needs to add on weight and work on his footwork. kid is way more talented than Vick was coming out of VT. after RG3 though i dont think anyone wants to spend a top 10 pick on a dual threat
Agreed. He's way more talented than Vick was. He actually is willing to stand in the pocket and go through progressions before running, and that makes his running that much more dynamic. I would have loved for the Jets to stay at 6 and take him and build around him, but I realize that's never going to happen. That way we get a guy I consider a top QB prospect and keep our three 2nd-round picks.
But as long as we moved up, I hope we can get my QB1 in Rosen.
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#NoToTheGoyims
#RosenTheChosen
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kid is way more talented than Vick was coming out of VT.
Agreed. He's way more talented than Vick was.
Hogwash.
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Hogwash.
Vick had more arm talent/running ability but Im in the boat where I do agree the Jackson is more talented overall as a QB. As a draft prospect.
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Vick has literally said himself "hes 5x better than i was at VT....enough said"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxi9NgPRatM
thats like a 18 min segment he did on NFLN in regards to Lamar Jackson
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not saying it means anything, but when its from the guy himself its something beyond "hogwash" lol
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Maybe saying "way more talented" is a bit extreme, but he's a much better pocket passer in college than Vick ever was.
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Maybe saying "way more talented" is a bit extreme, but he's a much better pocket passer in college than Vick ever was.
this, i guess i phrased it poorly
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Not sure if it means anything, by Saquon Barkley was out in public wearing a Giants hoodie. Please Giants, do it.
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Not sure if it means anything, by Saquon Barkley was out in public wearing a Giants hoodie. Please Giants, do it.
I had no idea he was gay.
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Per Albert Breer, Giants have Josh Allen as their #2 QB.
If Allen goes 1 they’re picking Darnold.
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Not sure if it means anything, by Saquon Barkley was out in public wearing a Giants hoodie. Please Giants, do it.
This would be so great. The only way to make it better is if Cleveland picks Allen.
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This would be so great. The only way to make it better is if Cleveland picks Allen.
See post above
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See post above
That doesn't mean that they rate Darnold above Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, ect.
Their board could look like:
1. Barkley
2. Chubb
3. Nelson
4. Darnold
5. Allen
And if they stick to it, it wouldn't matter if Allen is their #2 QB or not. It would be more significant if they said they have Allen as their #2 player. Could also be fake news.
But, this is good for the Jets either way. I'm very confident Rosen is available at 3.
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See post above
I've believed since day 1 that if Darnold was available, he's was absolutely the Giants' pick. I keep moving further and further into the Rosen camp, so Allen and Darnold going 1-2 would be fine with me.
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https://nypost.com/2018/04/14/this-is-the-guy-dave-wants-the-whispers-around-giants-no-2-pick/
This along with the rumor that the Browns are leaning toward taking Allen #1 excites me.
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https://nypost.com/2018/04/14/this-is-the-guy-dave-wants-the-whispers-around-giants-no-2-pick/
This along with the rumor that the Browns are leaning toward taking Allen #1 excites me.
I am excite
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https://nypost.com/2018/04/14/this-is-the-guy-dave-wants-the-whispers-around-giants-no-2-pick/
This along with the rumor that the Browns are leaning toward taking Allen #1 excites me.
Thanks for sharing, but before anyone gets overly excited, that article is one scout guessing what gentleman is going to do based on out of context quotes.
I want it to be true, but take it with a grain of salt. It makes more sense that it's a smokescreen to get the browns to take Barkley than anything else.
"If the browns are idiots and don't take him"
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If Barkley goes in either of the two first picks, I'm a happy guy. That ensures the Jets can draft either Rosen or Darnold.
I've thought all along the best move for the Giants is to get Barkley and make one more run for a title with Eli. For all the knocks on Manning, he's proven he can win the Super Bowl--whether you give him credit for those wins or not. Even if you draft a "can't miss" QB, you have no idea what his career trajectory will turn out to be.
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If Barkley goes in either of the two first picks, I'm a happy guy. That ensures the Jets can draft either Rosen or Darnold.
I've thought all along the best move for the Giants is to get Barkley and make one more run for a title with Eli. For all the knocks on Manning, he's proven he can win the Super Bowl--whether you give him credit for those wins or not. Even if you draft a "can't miss" QB, you have no idea what his career trajectory will turn out to be.
Barkley, Beckham, Engram and Shepard is a hell of a set of weapons for Eli, and for anyone who follows him. They do seem to be quite high on Davis Webb.
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Barkley, Beckham, Engram and Shepard is a hell of a set of weapons for Eli, and for anyone who follows him. They do seem to be quite high on Davis Webb.
I honestly don't know how they feel about Webb. With a new coaching staff, it's hard to say for sure if they view him as the future.
I just don't see how you don't take advantage of still having a franchise (Super Bowl winning) QB with a truly elite WR, when you have an opportunity to take a game-changing RB. Now if someone comes calling for that #2 pick and offers you a ransom, you have to consider it. But otherwise, I don't see how you pick Eli's replacement over someone who could help him win at least one more title.
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Patriots trading up to 4 to get Rosen after we pass on him for Mayfield Confirmed
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According to their mock draft on ESPN last night both mcshay and kiper think darnold will be there for us.
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According to their mock draft on ESPN last night both mcshay and kiper think darnold will be there for us.
I don't think it's likely. 3 things are much more likely. Either he goes at 1, the Giants take him at 2, or someone trades up to 2 to take Darnold. I see the Broncos sitting there in the perfect spot to trade up. They aren't going to be content with Keenum long-term.
That being said, I can't see the Jets passing on Darnold at 3 if he makes it there.
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Allen at 1 and Barkley at 2 is the pipe dream
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Allen at 1 and Barkley at 2 is the pipe dream
i still think the Bills are going to trade everything including their testicles to move up to 2 for a QB. Especially if Darnold is there.
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i still think the Bills are going to trade everything including their testicles to move up to 2 for a QB. Especially if Darnold is there.
It's going to have to be some kind of 3 way trade because I can't see the Giants moving back that far for anything.
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It's going to have to be some kind of 3 way trade because I can't see the Giants moving back that far for anything.
I'm sure they'll do whatever it takes. Their current QB depth chart includes Nate Peterman and AJ McCarron....i'm sure Beane is starting to sweat.
Trading up to 3 may be Duff's smartest move as the Jets' GM thus far.
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It's going to have to be some kind of 3 way trade because I can't see the Giants moving back that far for anything.
I don't think 3 teams can agree on such a significant trade in a matter of minutes... If the Bills are still at 12 when the draft starts, I don't really see how they get to 2.
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I don't think 3 teams can agree on such a significant trade in a matter of minutes... If the Bills are still at 12 when the draft starts, I don't really see how they get to 2.
I'm pretty sure they're in talks with teams on different trade scenarios leading up to the draft. Chances are if a 3 team trade is in the works, it will have been worked out in advance provided the board falls in the trade's favor.
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It's going to have to be some kind of 3 way trade because I can't see the Giants moving back that far for anything.
Sounds sexy
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I still think it's far more likely that the Bills trade up to #7 in the event of a QB sitting there. #2 will cost too much, #4 probably isn't on the market, Denver will take a QB at #5 and Indy have already said they don't want to drop out of the top ten. Allen at #1 and Barkley at #2 means that Mayfield is likely available at #7 - I assume that we'd take Darnold and Denver would take Rosen, because I don't think Mayfield is an Elway kind of player.
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Beane (Bills) worked under Gettleman in Carolina, so they have a connection. Not that it means a lot.
In the end, I don't know that the Giants are willing to move back to 12 in this draft because that likely gets you out of blue chip territory. So that'll be the challenge for the Bills- finding a way to get the Giants a spot they'd be willing to move to.
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People keep talking about the Bills giving up both 1st's and a couple of 2nd's to move up to 2, but I think it's gonna take a hell of a lot more for the Bills to move that far. I think they'll have to give up both 1sts this year and next year's 1st at least to get there. Especially if Darnold doesn't go at 1. If Darnold is still on the board at 2, the Giants might be able to get a ridiculous haul to move out.
I laugh every time I see people make suggestions about the Bills moving up to 2, then they out that draft value chart and start showing calculations. That excrement won't even be close to accurate when you are that high in the draft.
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Beane (Bills) worked under Gettleman in Carolina, so they have a connection. Not that it means a lot.
In the end, I don't know that the Giants are willing to move back to 12 in this draft because that likely gets you out of blue chip territory. So that'll be the challenge for the Bills- finding a way to get the Giants a spot they'd be willing to move to.
Which is why it would need to be a three way. The Bills would have to trade up with Tampa or Chicago and then flip that pick to the Giants, which would cost an absolute fortune because they'd be paying a trade up premium twice and the proliferation of QBs means that there will be some elite position players who would normally be top five picks available at the back end of the top ten.
I think the Bills can get to #7 or #8, but I don't think they can get to #2.
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Which is why it would need to be a three way. The Bills would have to trade up with Tampa or Chicago and then flip that pick to the Giants, which would cost an absolute fortune because they'd be paying a trade up premium twice and the proliferation of QBs means that there will be some elite position players who would normally be top five picks available at the back end of the top ten.
I think the Bills can get to #7 or #8, but I don't think they can get to #2.
I agree. They'd be best off trying to work the phones to move up to 6 or later if a QB falls that they like. Other options would be to look at Lamar Jackson or maybe they are higher on actually giving McCarron a shot. It wasn't long ago that there were rumors of teams looking to give him a shot at starting. Maybe they'd be best keeping all those picks and loading up to help him or the next QB. They lost 3 starting linemen to retirement and trades this offseason. I don't know how smart it would be to give up the farm for a QB and put him in there with that o-line.
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I agree. They'd be best off trying to work the phones to move up to 6 or later if a QB falls that they like. Other options would be to look at Lamar Jackson or maybe they are higher on actually giving McCarron a shot. It wasn't long ago that there were rumors of teams looking to give him a shot at starting. Maybe they'd be best keeping all those picks and loading up to help him or the next QB. They lost 3 starting linemen to retirement and trades this offseason. I don't know how smart it would be to give up the farm for a QB and put him in there with that o-line.
Incognito changed his mind and unretired a couple of days later, but other than that I agree.
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Incognito changed his mind and unretired a couple of days later, but other than that I agree.
He did? The Bills placed him on the reserve/retired list. I saw some weird excrement about him flip flopping on twitter, but he's retired as far as the NFL is concerned.
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He did? The Bills placed him on the reserve/retired list. I saw some weird excrement about him flip flopping on twitter, but he's retired as far as the NFL is concerned.
Haha, I just read the story. What a freaking bell end.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-gm-says-richie-incognito-is-still-retired-refuses-to-discuss-weird-twitter-saga/
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Haha, I just read the story. What a freaking bell end.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-gm-says-richie-incognito-is-still-retired-refuses-to-discuss-weird-twitter-saga/
If anyone has CTE, it's him. Or he's just psycho.
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I still maintain that the Giants would be crazy to say no if the Bills offered both firsts and both seconds this year plus next year's first. Sure, they miss out on Barkley or a top QB, but that's a ridiculous haul that not only helps them beef up their OL this year, but gives them a lot of flexibility next year to move up if they want to. And they still have a franchise QB.
And that's ignoring whatever their feelings are on Webb. Maybe they actually like him as the future of the franchise?
Barkley's a nice to have. Darnold is a great head start on the future. Having 8 picks in the first two rounds over the next two years is like looking in your couch for change and finding a diamond ring.
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I still maintain that the Giants would be crazy to say no if the Bills offered both firsts and both seconds this year plus next year's first. Sure, they miss out on Barkley or a top QB, but that's a ridiculous haul that not only helps them beef up their OL this year, but gives them a lot of flexibility next year to move up if they want to. And they still have a franchise QB.
And that's ignoring whatever their feelings are on Webb. Maybe they actually like him as the future of the franchise?
Barkley's a nice to have. Darnold is a great head start on the future. Having 8 picks in the first two rounds over the next two years is like looking in your couch for change and finding a diamond ring.
Either they're all about winning now with Eli, in which case Barkley is a huge asset, or they're all about building for the future, in which case they take a QB. There's no sensible argument IMO that they trade back to the teens this year.
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Either they're all about winning now with Eli, in which case Barkley is a huge asset, or they're all about building for the future, in which case they take a QB. There's no sensible argument IMO that they trade back to the teens this year.
We've disagreed on this point since day 1, and we're never going to agree. 8 picks in the first two rounds of the next two drafts is a ton of draft capital and nets your team a lot more talent across the roster than just getting Barkley.
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We've disagreed on this point since day 1, and we're never going to agree. 8 picks in the first two rounds of the next two drafts is a ton of draft capital and nets your team a lot more talent across the roster than just getting Barkley.
but you need to hit on those picks, Alio. Barkley is a can't miss blue-chipper at his position.
#ItalianSeafoodDraftCrapShoot
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Browns considered taking 2 QBs with 1st and 4th picks
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hahaha would be the most Browns thing ever.
So indecisive that they need to take two.
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Browns take 2 QBs at 1 and 4, then see which one gets bashed the most after the draft. Keep the other one.
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If the Jets pass on Rosen, that Broncos pick is going to be a hot commodity. The Bills and even the Cardinals could pull that off.
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If the Jets pass on Rosen, that Broncos pick is going to be a hot commodity. The Bills and even the Cardinals could pull that off.
or trader tanny
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or trader tanny
True. Splashy!
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If the Jets pass on Rosen, that Broncos pick is going to be a hot commodity. The Bills and even the Cardinals could pull that off.
There's talk of Miami wanting to trade up as well. Guessing they're not so enamoured of Tannehill these days.
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There's talk of Miami wanting to trade up as well. Guessing they're not so enamoured of Tannehill these days.
I always forget about the Dolphins. The Broncos being willing to trade out really takes the wind out of the sails of teams trading up to the Giants. The only team that wouldn't have had to mortgage the future big-time to trade to 2 is the Broncos. I guess you can't rule out Cleveland trading out at 4, but at some point they need to make picks instead of accumulate them. They'd probably rather take Saquon or Chubb than pick up late mid-first round picks.
You never know, but it looks fairly solid that the Giants will be picking at 2 instead of trading out. Gettleman's history doesn't point to trading out in the first either.
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I always forget about the Dolphins. The Broncos being willing to trade out really takes the wind out of the sails of teams trading up to the Giants. The only team that wouldn't have had to mortgage the future big-time to trade to 2 is the Broncos. I guess you can't rule out Cleveland trading out at 4, but at some point they need to make picks instead of accumulate them. They'd probably rather take Saquon or Chubb than pick up late mid-first round picks.
You never know, but it looks fairly solid that the Giants will be picking at 2 instead of trading out. Gettleman's history doesn't point to trading out in the first either.
Multiple teams wanting to trade up to #5 also makes #2 harder to get to, because if there's a competition then #5 will get more expensive and leave the winner with less in the bank to then parlay it into the #2. I think this is a good thing for us all ends up.
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Multiple teams wanting to trade up to #5 also makes #2 harder to get to, because if there's a competition then #5 will get more expensive and leave the winner with less in the bank to then parlay it into the #2. I think this is a good thing for us all ends up.
I was thinking about this too. Chances are, one of the 4 QBs is going to be available at 5 because while there might be that ridiculous rumor that the Browns will draft 2 QBs, there's realistically no chance it happens.
Denver has probably already decided that they don't want Allen or Mayfield, and are certain Darnold and Rosen will be off the board by 5. The Bills might be happy with one of them though. Or the Cardinals.
Denver putting up a for sale sign is almost perfect for the Jets. Now we just need to hope Cleveland is convinced Allen is the guy they want, and the Giants go all-in on Barkley.
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Gettleman says Saquon Barkley "is one of those guys my mother could have scouted." Calls him a tremendous talent.
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I still think the Giants take Darnold if he’s there.
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You guys think the Browns pick will be leaked before the draft at some point? I can't remember a draft where we weren't certain who was going #1.
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You guys think the Browns pick will be leaked before the draft at some point? I can't remember a draft where we weren't certain who was going #1.
Now I'm not sure if I'm going to spoil our pick for myself or wait for the TV announcement.
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You guys think the Browns pick will be leaked before the draft at some point? I can't remember a draft where we weren't certain who was going #1.
Nope...i don't think it gets leaked. I would assume their war room is air tight.
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Nope...i don't think it gets leaked. I would assume their war room is air tight.
Someone will invite McCloughan to happy hour.
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Depends on the definition of leaked. I'm sure there will be plenty of people saying they are confident it is ______, but I doubt anyone will announce it is definitely _____ before they are on the clock.
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Nope...i don't think it gets leaked. I would assume their war room is air tight.
Why though? What's the benefit of absolute secrecy for the #1 pick?
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Why though? What's the benefit of absolute secrecy for the #1 pick?
There has been some stuff floating around Twitter about John Dorsey intentionally leaking false information to find his leaks.
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There has been some stuff floating around Twitter about John Dorsey intentionally leaking false information to find his leaks.
Tyrion Dorsey
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Someone will invite McCloughan to happy hour.
hahaha
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Why though? What's the benefit of absolute secrecy for the #1 pick?
NFL hearts draft intrigue which drives up ratings.
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There has been some stuff floating around Twitter about John Dorsey intentionally leaking false information to find his leaks.
Hee Hee
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Daniel Jeremiah released another mock draft, this time with the Browns taking Mayfield at 1. I may have to stay off twitter for the rest of the day.
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Why though? What's the benefit of absolute secrecy for the #1 pick?
It's because they have the pick at 4 also. I doubt the Jets matter to them much because everyone knows they aren't trading back and they are 100% taking a QB. It matters more for the #2 pick. I guess they don't want people knowing what they do at 1 because it gives the Giants/other teams more time to make moves and prepare for what to do at #2. In the end, it probably doesn't make a huge difference about keeping it secret, but it doesn't help them, so why announce it?
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NFL hearts draft intrigue which drives up ratings.
Yeah, but why would Dorsey care? He's not employed by the NFL.
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It's because they have the pick at 4 also. I doubt the Jets matter to them much because everyone knows they aren't trading back and they are 100% taking a QB. It matters more for the #2 pick. I guess they don't want people knowing what they do at 1 because it gives the Giants/other teams more time to make moves and prepare for what to do at #2. In the end, it probably doesn't make a huge difference about keeping it secret, but it doesn't help them, so why announce it?
Not giving other teams more time to plan their picks is probably the best explanation but it's not really a difference maker IMO. The Jets and Giants should have their plans in place for any of the most likely scenarios for what CLE does at 1.
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Yeah, but why would Dorsey care? He's not employed by the NFL.
He may have been mandated by the NFL
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He may have been mandated by the NFL
I bet that mandate would have leaked if it exists.
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I bet that mandate would have leaked if it exists.
air tight, ni99a
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air tight, ni99a
reported.
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reported.
got my Josh Allen hat on.
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got my Josh Allen hat on.
blocked.
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blocked.
PWWWWCCCHHHHHHH!!!
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Charlie Campbell from Walter Football posted some stuff. Says the Bills QB preference order is Darnold-Allen-Rosen-Mayfield but they like all 4.
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https://twitter.com/jreidnfl/status/1102564543526506496
lol. lol. lol.
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https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/1102261384044253187
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https://twitter.com/jreidnfl/status/1102564543526506496
lol. lol. lol.
Let all the quarterbacks turn into top-5 picks.
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https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1108330561196691457
Days after we heard the Giants “have no interest in Haskins” and “are not taking a QB this year”
They also met with Murray right after his pro day.
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Tuesday night, prior to the Ohio State Pro Day, Giants head coach Pat Shurmur, offensive coordinator Mike Shula, Chris Mara, scout Chris Pettit and assistant general manager Kevin Abrams had dinner with Buckeyes quarterback Dwayne Haskins, according to a report from NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-draft-could-redskins-find-trade-partner-in-jets-in-an-attempt-to-land-dwayne-haskins/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Haskins is getting some nice hype now
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Haskins is getting some nice hype now
I’m just imagining the deal the skins would give us for Haskins...
3 1s and 3 2s would have to be a starting point unless they want to part with Trent Williams, and then it’s still 3 1s and a 2 + Williams or 2 1s and 3 2s and Williams.
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Of course, the trade market for the 3 pick would heat up just when I start thinking I want to draft Bosa or Allen.
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Talked to a handful of NFL types at the Kentucky pro day about the Jets and the No. 3 pick, and most believe they will pick OLB Josh Allen if they are indeed playing a 3-4. Just industry speculation, but that’s the buzz. #Jets
Cimini
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Cimini
Well he is the most ready to step in at 3-4 OLB and dominate day 1. Doesn’t mean Bosa couldn’t adapt, but Allenhas experience in the role
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#49ers dinner with Alabama DL Quinnen Williams was at a Tuscaloosa IHOP, which was Williams' choice. #cheapdate
DO IT @9ers
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DO IT @9ers
To be honest, I've been watching a bunch of Bosa and Allen the last few days and I really think that given the choice I'd take Allen. Not that Bosa isn't an outstanding player, but Allen is so versatile.
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To be honest, I've been watching a bunch of Bosa and Allen the last few days and I really think that given the choice I'd take Allen. Not that Bosa isn't an outstanding player, but Allen is so versatile.
I’m very high on Allen, definitely agree with what you said (I think he’s the perfect fit for 3-4 OLB) and would be thrilled if he’s the pick, but we should take whoever is better at rushing the passer. I haven’t revisited my opinion on Bosa in a while, but right now I think that’s him.
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ESPN's Rich Cimini believes the Jets will be "all ears" if a quarterback-needy team calls about the No. 3 pick in April's draft.
New York addressed its quarterback need by nabbing Sam Darnold in last year's draft and though Gang Green could be tempted to add a defensive piece like Kentucky's Josh Allen or Alabama DT Quinnen Williams next month, it sounds like the Jets are open for business at No. 3. The Jets hold just two of the first 68 picks in April's draft and still have holes to fill at center, cornerback and outside linebacker. Cimini said his "gut" tells him New York would probably trade the third pick for a second-rounder this year and a first-rounder in 2020. The Broncos, Dolphins and Redskins are the most likely teams to trade up for a quarterback.
Mostly just speculation on one of the more likely scenarios
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If, say, a Denver offers a good package to move up from 10 to #3, I'm happy to consider it. Like the #10, their 2nd, their 4th, and their 2020 1st or something.
BUT....Macc hasn't instilled a ton of confidence in his drafting prowess, minus his 1st round nobrainers that literally anyone could have made (Leonard, Jamal, Darnold).
Bosa, JAllen, Quinnen qualify as a no-brainer pick. So do we trust that he can nail the pick at #10? Maybe a Jawaan Taylor, Jonah Williams, Ferrell, Greedy, Metcalf, Burns? What are the odds he'll just flush away the 2nd rounder anyway? Are the odds low enough that you're comfortable passing on one of the 3 elite prospects at the top?
Right now I'm kind of leaning toward selecting a relatively safe defensive beast at 3, then hope for the best in taking advantage of this draft's depth with our two 3rd rounders.
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I really hope that if we trade down we can land 2019 picks rather than 2020 picks. Obviously we should take the best offer.
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If, say, a Denver offers a good package to move up from 10 to #3, I'm happy to consider it. Like the #10, their 2nd, their 4th, and their 2020 1st or something.
BUT....Macc hasn't instilled a ton of confidence in his drafting prowess, minus his 1st round nobrainers that literally anyone could have made (Leonard, Jamal, Darnold).
Bosa, JAllen, Quinnen qualify as a no-brainer pick. So do we trust that he can nail the pick at #10? Maybe a Jawaan Taylor, Jonah Williams, Ferrell, Greedy, Metcalf, Burns? What are the odds he'll just flush away the 2nd rounder anyway? Are the odds low enough that you're comfortable passing on one of the 3 elite prospects at the top?
Right now I'm kind of leaning toward selecting a relatively safe defensive beast at 3, then hope for the best in taking advantage of this draft's depth with our two 3rd rounders.
You cant be afraid of this. If he fucks it up he'll be gone and we'll have someone new
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You cant be afraid of this. If he fucks it up he'll be gone and we'll have someone new
Agreed. You can’t manage the team assuming he will blow the draft picks he gets in a trade. If you can’t trust him to draft properly he should have been fired. You make the trade assuming the haul you get will be worth more to the team than one guy at 3 can give you.
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@nfldraftscout: Future @nyjets edge rusher.
Re: Josh Allen
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While at Kentucky’s pro day on Friday, a representative of one of the 32 NFL teams in attendance said to me, “What are you doing here? The #49ers are going to take Bosa."
@MaioccoNBCS
49ers beat reporter
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nfl-draft-rumors-nick-bosa-early-favorite-land-49ers-no-2
“The 49ers own the No. 2 overall pick in the draft. If they hold onto that selection, there appear to be only three players who warrant serious consideration:
--Alabama defensive tackle Quinnen Williams met with 49ers general manager John Lynch and vice president of player personnel Adam Peters early in the week in Tuscaloosa.
--On Wednesday, Ohio State defensive end Nick Bosa had a late lunch with Lynch and Peters in Columbus.
--Two days later, Kentucky outside linebacker and edge rusher Josh Allen spent some time with 49ers area scout Steve Rubio, who also attended Ohio State’s pro day and dined with Bosa.”
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You cant be afraid of this. If he fucks it up he'll be gone and we'll have someone new
That's true, and I'm not really afraid of a trade down at all.
I guess my point is I'm not as totally gung-ho for trading down as many Jets fans. I'll be excited no matter what on draft night.
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That's true, and I'm not really afraid of a trade down at all.
I guess my point is I'm not as totally gung-ho for trading down as many Jets fans. I'll be excited no matter what on draft night.
I’ll be dissappointed if we trade out for something ho-hum like a 2nd and 3rd. I want an exciting deal with lots of pieces that can improve us tremendously
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I’ll be dissappointed if we trade out for something ho-hum like a 2nd and 3rd. I want an exciting deal with lots of pieces that can improve us tremendously
I'm hoping the Skins or Broncos get horny and trade up. Going from 15 or 10 to 3 should bring in a haul. And i'm fine with dropping to either spot if the price is right.
EDIT: I'm leaning towards trading with the Skins....because their QB situation is a dumpster fire for the upcoming season. So if their 2020 1st rounder is in play, it'll most likely be in the top 15. Sign me up for that.
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I’ll be dissappointed if we trade out for something ho-hum like a 2nd and 3rd. I want an exciting deal with lots of pieces that can improve us tremendously
#3 cost three 2nds and #6 last year, so I don't think you need worry about a return as low as a 2nd and a 3rd.
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#3 cost three 2nds and #6 last year, so I don't think you need worry about a return as low as a 2nd and a 3rd.
the market changes year to year depending on the talent available. Nobody is trading three 2nds to move up from 6 to 3 for Dwayne Haskins.
I'm not saying Libero_2 is correct, but he's not wrong either.
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the market changes year to year depending on the talent available. Nobody is trading three 2nds to move up from 6 to 3 for Dwayne Haskins.
I'm not saying Libero_2 is correct, but he's not wrong either.
We'll probably never know, but I'm pretty sure that if the Giants could give up #6 and 3 2nds for Haskins they'd do it quite happily. You know Haskins is good, right?
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We'll probably never know, but I'm pretty sure that if the Giants could give up #6 and 3 2nds for Haskins they'd do it quite happily. You know Haskins is good, right?
Haskins is a 2nd rounder at best in last year's draft...
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Haskins is a 2nd rounder at best in last year's draft...
I'd take him ahead of Lamar Jackson or Josh Rosen, and probably Josh Allen as well.
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I'd take him ahead of Lamar Jackson or Josh Rosen, and probably Josh Allen as well.
O_o
EDIT: I don't agree with you, but i hope one of the Giants, Broncos, Redskins do.
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I'd take him ahead of Lamar Jackson or Josh Rosen, and probably Josh Allen as well.
As would I.
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I think hindsight may be clouding judgement on Rosen... From what I remember, most really liked him. He was a dick, but a lot of people had him ahead of Baker. Some even had him as QB1.
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i have no desire to trade down. this team isnt good enough to be passing on blue chip players. i also dont know if i even trust duff to take advantage of acquiring quality depth with said trade down picks
you sit at 3 and you add a player with a high floor.
the ONLY trade down scenario that should be entertained is moving down to 6 where you can certainly target the likes of Jawaan Taylor, DK Metcalf, or Greedy Williams (OT, outside WR, and outside CB) all glaring needs. you then target Garret Bradbury with 17 overall
Sweat enters the convo, but with a heart condition i think he slips out of the top 10.
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I think hindsight may be clouding judgement on Rosen... From what I remember, most really liked him. He was a dick, but a lot of people had him ahead of Baker. Some even had him as QB1.
the future is QB's who can move and operate in the pocket. there will always be a place for pocket passers though. Haskins arm >>>>>>>>>>>Rosens
thats not a knock on Rosen though, he was fed to the wolves with less talent than Darnold even had.
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Leveon honeymoon over. back to the Allen avatar.
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I think hindsight may be clouding judgement on Rosen... From what I remember, most really liked him. He was a dick, but a lot of people had him ahead of Baker. Some even had him as QB1.
Rosen was always a little bitch to me.
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Rosen was always a little bitch to me.
lololol i liked everything about him except those concussions and injuries. but then i saw how he reacted on draft night, then he really sounded like a douche
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I think hindsight may be clouding judgement on Rosen... From what I remember, most really liked him. He was a dick, but a lot of people had him ahead of Baker. Some even had him as QB1.
It's not so much a knock on Rosen as it is recognising just how good Haskins could be. The fear with him is that he only has one season to judge him on, but it was a ridiculously good one. He threw almost as many TDs last year as Rosen did in 3, and more than Allen did in the same time frame (redshirt season recognised).
The #1 hype has been about Murray but it's at least 50% because of Kingsbury. Haskins is the better NFL prospect.
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If, say, a Denver offers a good package to move up from 10 to #3, I'm happy to consider it. Like the #10, their 2nd, their 4th, and their 2020 1st or something.
BUT....Macc hasn't instilled a ton of confidence in his drafting prowess, minus his 1st round nobrainers that literally anyone could have made (Leonard, Jamal, Darnold).
Bosa, JAllen, Quinnen qualify as a no-brainer pick. So do we trust that he can nail the pick at #10? Maybe a Jawaan Taylor, Jonah Williams, Ferrell, Greedy, Metcalf, Burns? What are the odds he'll just flush away the 2nd rounder anyway? Are the odds low enough that you're comfortable passing on one of the 3 elite prospects at the top?
Right now I'm kind of leaning toward selecting a relatively safe defensive beast at 3, then hope for the best in taking advantage of this draft's depth with our two 3rd rounders.
This is exactly how I feel.
While Maccagnan has done a nice job this offseason of acquiring talent, and he's had some non-first round successes in the past--Herndon is a budding star, and he got Anderson after the draft--he hasn't done enough to build a full roster with quite a few years to do so.
The idea that we'll move on if he screws this one up ignores the fact that he's tied a lot of guaranteed money up in free agents, and that if the next regime wants to strip and rebuild, we've lost practically all of Darnold's rookie deal to foundation-building.
I'm almost always 100% in favor of trading down for more picks, but this year, I'd rather get that blue-chip edge prospect and cross our fingers on the rest of the available picks we already have.
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https://twitter.com/bleedsbigblue/status/1110718590272065536
Take this “source” for what you will
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https://twitter.com/bleedsbigblue/status/1110718590272065536
Take this “source” for what you will
I really don’t want this to happen. I want that trade down with the Giants.
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I really don’t want this to happen. I want that trade down with the Giants.
Agree this wouldn’t be good for us. I think Kyler #1 is almost a foregone conclusion at this point though. Only other Rosen rumored destinations I’ve heard is the Skins
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I really don’t want this to happen. I want that trade down with the Giants.
freak a trade down. can we get an edge rush for the first time since john freaking abraham? lol
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The Giants are exploring every option for a successor to Eli Manning, including acquiring Rosen from the Cardinals, Ralph Vacchiano of SNY reports.
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^ freak that noise...I want the Giants to spend one of their first rounders on Daniel Jones, so i can laugh for the next 5 years.
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^ freak that noise...I want the Giants to spend one of their first rounders on Daniel Jones, so i can laugh for the next 5 years.
Daniel Jones is better than Josh Rosen
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Daniel Jones is better than Josh Rosen
Not according to their fan base.
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freak a trade down. can we get an edge rush for the first time since john freaking abraham? lol
I'm with you.
Also, it makes sense for the Cards to either trade down with a QB needy team or trade Rosen and draft Murray. This was always the way it was going to work out. There's no way Arizona was taking Murray and keeping Rosen.
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^ freak that noise...I want the Giants to spend one of their first rounders on Daniel Jones, so i can laugh for the next 5 years.
I hope Rosen gets trade to Cincinnati and Gettleman overreacts and spends the farm to get Haskins
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Not according to their fan base.
Why do I give a excrement about what that retarded fanbase thinks?
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Why do I give a excrement about what that retarded fanbase thinks?
Because they would have a better grasp of the situation than you would
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Because they would have a better grasp of the situation than you would
Is that why your NYG fan butt-buddy always asks for my opinion about draft prospects?
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Is that why your NYG fan butt-buddy always asks for my opinion about draft prospects?
I hate to break to this to you...but one guy doesn't make a fanbase. I'll tell him you're interested in his bum though.
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Here’s a little intrigue to mix into next month’s NFL Draft: the Arizona Cardinals’ brass is having dinner tonight in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., with Ohio St. DE Nick Bosa, per league source. Bosa could be the potential No. 1 overall pick. A franchise-altering decision awaits Arizona.
Schefter
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Schefter
If they end up taking him, our pick becomes super valuable to anyone that wants a QB.
Someone will want to get ahead of Oakland and New York
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If they end up taking him, our pick becomes super valuable to anyone that wants a QB.
Someone will want to get ahead of Oakland and New York
I can’t decide if our trade chances are better if Murray goes #1 or if he’s still on the board at #3.
Also what are the chances we could get Oakland to do what Chicago did so years ago to secure Trubisky? Trade 3 picks for the right to move up 1 spot? That would be a solid backup plan. Not as much value as dropping further, but guarantees we also get a guy we really want at 3
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Also what are the chances we could get Oakland to do what Chicago did so years ago to secure Trubisky? Trade 3 picks for the right to move up 1 spot? That would be a solid backup plan. Not as much value as dropping further, but guarantees we also get a guy we really want at 3
I'd have no problem with this, even if it's just pick 66 in the deal. Three third round picks gives us the ammunition we need to get up into the second round and catch a falling star.
Worst case scenario for me - other than getting raped in a trade down which I find highly unlikely - is if Bosa and Allen are off the board and we stay put at 3. We'll still be getting a great player but it'll either be Q.Will or a small reach.
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If they end up taking him, our pick becomes super valuable to anyone that wants a QB.
Someone will want to get ahead of Oakland and New York
Maybe yes, maybe no.
The 49ers have the same opportunity we do to trade
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Maybe yes, maybe no.
The 49ers have the same opportunity we do to trade
except we aren’t taking a QB and Oakland might. San Fran is a more expensive option than we are so it makes sense to wait If you can, and then if we don’t make a move the Bucs are in the next best position to move down ahead of the Giants
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except we aren’t taking a QB and Oakland might. San Fran is a more expensive option than we are so it makes sense to wait If you can, and then if we don’t make a move the Bucs are in the next best position to move down ahead of the Giants
I dont think it works that way. If you dont trade with SF someone else might
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I dont think it works that way. If you dont trade with SF someone else might
Sure it does. But if you can’t afford what SF is asking, but can afford the Jets price, you hope SF doesn’t deal. If they do then you either go up to 3 and take the next best guy, or you don’t deal and the Jets are stuck at 3 with their pick of non QBs.
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Sure it does. But if you can’t afford what SF is asking, but can afford the Jets price, you hope SF doesn’t deal. If they do then you either go up to 3 and take the next best guy, or you don’t deal and the Jets are stuck at 3 with their pick of non QBs.
A deal won't not get made because two teams can't come to an agreement on compensation.
If SF wants to trade, someone will end up agreeing to what SF wants or SF will come down to meet the demands of the team.
If Murray makes it to 3 its great for us, but ARI passing on Murray means little to nothing regarding our current situation. In actuality, its probably negative at this moment in time because it means 1 of the 2 players we covet most will be gone.
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A deal won't not get made because two teams can't come to an agreement on compensation.
If SF wants to trade, someone will end up agreeing to what SF wants or SF will come down to meet the demands of the team.
If Murray makes it to 3 its great for us, but ARI passing on Murray means little to nothing regarding our current situation. In actuality, its probably negative at this moment in time because it means 1 of the 2 players we covet most will be gone.
If Bosa goes 1st overall...QB needy teams will want to deal with us over SF because our pick will command less compensation. Not saying it’ll happen that way, but that’s conventional wisdom at its finest.
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If Bosa goes 1st overall...QB needy teams will want to deal with us over SF because our pick will command less compensation. Not saying it’ll happen that way, but that’s conventional wisdom at its finest.
No they wont. They will want to make sure they get their quarterback and the first move will be to talk to SF. They aren't going to say SF is too expensive we should just talk to the jets one pick down instead.
It only takes one team to accept a deal. You're acting like the difference between pick 2 and 3 is so insurmountable. The draft compensation chart has already been thrown out the window when talking about drafting quarterbacks.
You're also forgetting that the raiders may want to jump ahead of us so we cant trade the pick to someone else.
Side note:
I actually am disliking the idea that Murray may not go 1 or 2. In this scenario the jets have little leverage in trade negotiations as our top need is off the board.
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No they wont. They will want to make sure they get their quarterback and the first move will be to talk to SF. They aren't going to say SF is too expensive we should just talk to the jets one pick down instead.
It only takes one team to accept a deal. You're acting like the difference between pick 2 and 3 is so insurmountable. The draft compensation chart has already been thrown out the window when talking about drafting quarterbacks.
You're also forgetting that the raiders may want to jump ahead of us so we cant trade the pick to someone else.
Side note:
I actually am disliking the idea that Murray may not go 1 or 2. In this scenario the jets have little leverage in trade negotiations as our top need is off the board.
They’ll talk to the Niners, but they won’t pull the trigger without talking to the jets. There are a lot of scenarios that can happen. But both the Niners and Jets don’t need a QB...it makes perfect business sense to trade to 3 if the compensation is less.
The compensation chart is not thrown out the window.
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No they wont. They will want to make sure they get their quarterback and the first move will be to talk to SF. They aren't going to say SF is too expensive we should just talk to the jets one pick down instead.
It only takes one team to accept a deal. You're acting like the difference between pick 2 and 3 is so insurmountable. The draft compensation chart has already been thrown out the window when talking about drafting quarterbacks.
You're also forgetting that the raiders may want to jump ahead of us so we cant trade the pick to someone else.
Side note:
I actually am disliking the idea that Murray may not go 1 or 2. In this scenario the jets have little leverage in trade negotiations as our top need is off the board.
If that's true we would have traded to 2 and drafted Sam #2 last year. Compensation matters, and unless SF takes a discount, we will be a cheaper deal to make than SF. It gives us a chance as a trade. Is it possible no deal happens? Of course, but I would imagine we have chances this year, unlike in years past.
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They’ll talk to the Niners, but they won’t pull the trigger without talking to the jets. There are a lot of scenarios that can happen. But both the Niners and Jets don’t need a QB...it makes perfect business sense to trade to 3 if the compensation is less.
The compensation chart is not thrown out the window.
This only works if you assume that no other team is interested in trading up for a QB, and if that's the case then why trade up at all? If you really want Haskins and you think someone else does as well, you need to be at #2 to be sure of getting him (assuming Murray goes at #1). No one is going trade for #3 prior to draft day because let's say you're Washington and you've decided that Haskins is your guy, so you do a deal with the Jets and get #3. Now the Giants know that if they want Haskins they have to be at #2, so they give the Niners a big package to get him; not only have you got your guy, you've also left your divisional rival paying a big price for a high pick that they can't use to have him.
We traded to #3 last year because the third rated QB on the board (believed to be Allen) was worth the price for us. That it ended up being Sam was a bonus. The same doesn't hold true this year because no one wants to trade up to #3 for Drew Lock.
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I don’t think anyone will go to 3 before we are on the clock. That I will definitely agree with
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To me, best-case at this point is that Murray goes first and someone trades up to San Fran's spot and takes Haskins. That leaves the Jets to choose Bosa or Allen, whoever they feel will make a bigger impact on the team.
I'm just about out on the idea of a trade-down at this point. I don't trust this team to pick in the second round to begin with, and there will be an opportunity to get the defense a player we haven't seen since Abraham headed south.
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To me, best-case at this point is that Murray goes first and someone trades up to San Fran's spot and takes Haskins. That leaves the Jets to choose Bosa or Allen, whoever they feel will make a bigger impact on the team.
I'm just about out on the idea of a trade-down at this point. I don't trust this team to pick in the second round to begin with, and there will be an opportunity to get the defense a player we haven't seen since Abraham headed south.
i'm at the point where i honestly do not care what we do, as long as we get a premium talent at a premium position. if we end up trading to 6-7 and still end up with a potential franchise tackle like Taylor or a game-changing WR for Sam like DK while getting extra picks, i'm happy. If we stay at 3 and end up with Bosa/Allen and finally have a top end pass rushing talent, I'm happy. If we stay at 3 and end up with Q. Williams, I'll feel 'meh' but he's a great talent.
I'll be honest, if we trade down/out of the premium talent pool at the top of this draft to draft a C or something, I'll be fvcking pissed. I won't even care about the extra picks.
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i'm at the point where i honestly do not care what we do, as long as we get a premium talent at a premium position. if we end up trading to 6-7 and still end up with a potential franchise tackle like Taylor or a game-changing WR for Sam like DK while getting extra picks, i'm happy. If we stay at 3 and end up with Bosa/Allen and finally have a top end pass rushing talent, I'm happy. If we stay at 3 and end up with Q. Williams, I'll feel 'meh' but he's a great talent.
I'll be honest, if we trade down/out of the premium talent pool at the top of this draft to draft a C or something, I'll be fvcking pissed. I won't even care about the extra picks.
Center is one of our biggest needs. And considering we have a franchise QB now, i would think it should be at the top of any Jets' fan's wish list.
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Center is one of our biggest needs. And considering we have a franchise QB now, i would think it should be at the top of any Jets' fan's wish list.
I agree with him if his point is that he wouldn't want them to trade down, missing out on blue chip pass-rushing, left tackle, or wide receiver talents if it's to overreach for a center in the mid-first.
Center is absolutely a need that has to be addressed, but I wouldn't want to do it at the expense of getting better overall talent. Sam survived--and thrived--with Harrison snapping him the ball last year. I think he'll be fine with another year of it, especially considering the line overall is improved.
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i'm at the point where i honestly do not care what we do, as long as we get a premium talent at a premium position. if we end up trading to 6-7 and still end up with a potential franchise tackle like Taylor or a game-changing WR for Sam like DK while getting extra picks, i'm happy. If we stay at 3 and end up with Bosa/Allen and finally have a top end pass rushing talent, I'm happy. If we stay at 3 and end up with Q. Williams, I'll feel 'meh' but he's a great talent.
I'll be honest, if we trade down/out of the premium talent pool at the top of this draft to draft a C or something, I'll be fvcking pissed. I won't even care about the extra picks.
DK scares me. It's entirely possible that he comes into the league and he's the next Julio/Megatron. But Julio and Calvin Johnson both dealt with nagging injuries throughout their careers because it's nigh-impossible to be that big and that fast at receiver without wearing down (Gronk comes to mind as well). Judging by his college injury history, is Metcalf more or less likely to avoid/manage those injuries?
I don't know.
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Center is absolutely a need that has to be addressed, but I wouldn't want to do it at the expense of getting better overall talent. Sam survived--and thrived--with Harrison snapping him the ball last year. I think he'll be fine with another year of it, especially considering the line overall is improved.
It's not all about Sam anymore, though. The best player on this team is now a running back. Improving the line makes the ROI on Bell better.
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It's not all about Sam anymore, though. The best player on this team is now a running back. Improving the line makes the ROI on Bell better.
That's certainly fair enough, but an elite pass-rushing talent makes the entire unit more effective.
Again, I'm not saying don't get a center. I'm saying don't pass up a Bosa/Allen for a trade-down where you just overreach for a center.
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It's not all about Sam anymore, though. The best player on this team is now a running back. Improving the line makes the ROI on Bell better.
Also, it is always all about Sam. You shut your whore mouth!
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I agree with him if his point is that he wouldn't want them to trade down, missing out on blue chip pass-rushing, left tackle, or wide receiver talents if it's to overreach for a center in the mid-first.
this is exactly what i meant. we won't/shouldn't be planning on picking 3rd overall every year now that we've found our QB, so we have to make the most of the bad season/draft position afforded to us right now in the 3rd pick. if we're able to trade down, gain extra picks, and still get one of the best talents in the draft at prime positions that we have needs in (DE/OLB, OT, WR) then i'm all for it.
i'm down for a great center but they can be had multiple ways, and i don't think we have to sacrifice the 3rd pick and all of the other premium talent at the top of this draft to end up with a center. it's easier said than done to end up with guys like mawae and mangold, we've been spoiled. but mawae was signed as a FA, mangold was the 29th pick. i wouldn't be happy with trading out of the opportunities afforded at the 3-8 picks in this draft to end up with a center.
we can have a successful year next year and still be in position to draft a great center in the 1st round if need be. this can be true for any given year. you can't say this about pass rushing talents or OTs during any given draft year.
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^ freak that noise...I want the Giants to spend one of their first rounders on Daniel Jones, so i can laugh for the next 5 years.
i actually like Daniel Jones. id rather him end up on the Giants than the freaking Pats or Phins
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DK Metcalf reminds me of a poor mans Andre Johnson. or at least thats DK's ceiling imo.
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Heard an interesting rumor this morning
Bucs trade up to 3 for Quinnen Williams, also receive Darron Lee
Jets receive
#5, 2nd this year, 2nd next year, 4th this year and Gerald McCoy.
Explained as the premium pay is to take on McCoy’s salary as the Bucs have zero cap space right now.
Jets ended up with Jawaan Taylor in this case as Allen went 4 to Oakland at Bosa was 2 to the 49ers.
Interesting deal. Gain an expensive leader who can still play, pick up some extra picks this year and next. Not my favorite rumored deal at all. But an interesting one
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Heard an interesting rumor this morning
Bucs trade up to 3 for Quinnen Williams, also receive Darron Lee
Jets receive
#5, 2nd this year, 2nd next year, 4th this year and Gerald McCoy.
Explained as the premium pay is to take on McCoy’s salary as the Bucs have zero cap space right now.
Jets ended up with Jawaan Taylor in this case as Allen went 4 to Oakland at Bosa was 2 to the 49ers.
Interesting deal. Gain an expensive leader who can still play, pick up some extra picks this year and next. Not my favorite rumored deal at all. But an interesting one
I don't like this deal....because a) I don't care for McCoy and b) I want a 2020 1st rounder coming back in any deal made for our #3 pick.
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I don't like this deal....because a) I don't care for McCoy and b) I want a 2020 1st rounder coming back in any deal made for our #3 pick.
I still want one of the Raiders or Giants 2019 1st rounders if possible. We need to be aggressive on Darnold’s rookie contract. See Rams/Eagles/Bears/Browns.
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I still want one of the Raiders or Giants 2019 1st rounders if possible. We need to be aggressive on Darnold’s rookie contract. See Rams/Eagles/Bears/Browns.
draft moar safeties?
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i still stand firm on my freak a trade down policy.
get Allen or Bosa and then you pray a run on 2nd rd WR's and front 7 guys pushes Elgton Jenkins to the 3rd. Bradbury will be top 25 and McCoy will be gone by mid rd 2.
if its not a trade down with the giants resulting in a giant haul, i dont want any part of it.
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Increased Quinnen Williams going #2 to SF rumblings
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@CharlesRobinson: There is a team with Daniel Jones as their No. 1 QB on their board. And y’all know exactly who that team is.
lolololol
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He is arguably the top prospect this year but all these QBs are vastly overrated
So glad we have Darnold
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lolololol
Any chances the Giants feel the need to trade up to secure their guy?
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People on teh internets saying Greggg Williams wants Ed Oliver
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People on teh internets saying Greggg Williams wants Ed Oliver
Good
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If you asked me a year ago if we could get Ed Oliver in the 1st round, I would have been thrilled. I wouldn't hate Oliver over William's or Allen but Maccagnan would get crushed if hes wrong. Then again, he will get crushed if he is wrong regardless
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If you asked me a year ago if we could get Ed Oliver in the 1st round, I would have been thrilled. I wouldn't hate Oliver over William's or Allen but Maccagnan would get crushed if hes wrong. Then again, he will get crushed if he is wrong regardless
He has to swing for the fences on this one.
Oliver has star potential on and off the field. He also has a different skillset than Leo.
Quinnen Williams is very similar to Leo. Oliver has enough ability to play inside and outside in any front...and he might be able to play OLB and ILB in the 3-4.
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https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/sources-jets-seem-determined-to-trade-down-in-first-round-of-nfl-draft/306414048
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He has to swing for the fences on this one.
Oliver has star potential on and off the field. He also has a different skillset than Leo.
Quinnen Williams is very similar to Leo. Oliver has enough ability to play inside and outside in any front...and he might be able to play OLB and ILB in the 3-4.
Fair to say he’s Sheldon Richardson, but more athletic and less of an poopchute?
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Fair to say he’s Sheldon Richardson, but more athletic and less of an poopchute?
Oliver is the superior prospect to Sheldon, imo. Certainly more athletic like you said.
Oliver is such an athletic "unicorn" that he offers more versatility, as Heis alluded to. I mean, Houston played him at nose the majority of the time, and he succeeded with what was evidently minimal coaching. His burst for his size is insane and rare. His upside really is Aaron Donald 2.0, but he needs more coaching and refinement. I do believe that if he was coached up at a powerhouse like an Ohio State or Alabama, etc, he'd be in the discussion for #1 pick....like he still was for much of 2018.
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I want to jump on this Ed Oliver Train, I really do, but his size scares me. Whenever I hear "he's the next [current best player in the NFL]", it gives me pause, especially when it's a player as unique as Aaron Donald.
The other issue I have is scheme fit. Plug this dude in at 3-tech in a classic 4-3 and I'm sure he'd feast. And from there, sure, get fancy, move him around, utilize his gifts, but let him eat ripping through the middle of the line. I still don't understand why we seem to be forcing a base 34 on Gregg Williams, who has been an excellent 4-3 coordinator, but all our personnel moves this off-season certainly seem to reinforce that formation. I get it: it's going to be a "hybrid", we're going to build the system around our personnel's strengths, which is something our last two defensive gurus told us we'd be doing, and something I'm sure thirty or so NFL defensive coordinators think they're capable of implementing. But even though Ed Oliver is probably much better suited to play the ol' Multi-Purpose Box Seven, I'm still a little wary of the position.
I think the dude is an awesome prospect with a sky-high ceiling. But there are three awesome prospects with sky-high ceilings at our desperately-weak EDGE1, as well as a sky-high ceiling DT whose floor is probably Leonard Williams. They're all ahead of Oliver for me.
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I want to jump on this Ed Oliver Train, I really do, but his size scares me. Whenever I hear "he's the next [current best player in the NFL]", it gives me pause, especially when it's a player as unique as Aaron Donald.
The other issue I have is scheme fit. Plug this dude in at 3-tech in a classic 4-3 and I'm sure he'd feast. And from there, sure, get fancy, move him around, utilize his gifts, but let him eat ripping through the middle of the line. I still don't understand why we seem to be forcing a base 34 on Gregg Williams, who has been an excellent 4-3 coordinator, but all our personnel moves this off-season certainly seem to reinforce that formation. I get it: it's going to be a "hybrid", we're going to build the system around our personnel's strengths, which is something our last two defensive gurus told us we'd be doing, and something I'm sure thirty or so NFL defensive coordinators think they're capable of implementing. But even though Ed Oliver is probably much better suited to play the ol' Multi-Purpose Box Seven, I'm still a little wary of the position.
I think the dude is an awesome prospect with a sky-high ceiling. But there are three awesome prospects with sky-high ceilings at our desperately-weak EDGE1, as well as a sky-high ceiling DT whose floor is probably Leonard Williams. They're all ahead of Oliver for me.
I’ve heard chatter about us being linked to Oliver because we believe he’s a reasonable trade down target if we stay in the top 10.
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I want to jump on this Ed Oliver Train, I really do, but his size scares me. Whenever I hear "he's the next [current best player in the NFL]", it gives me pause, especially when it's a player as unique as Aaron Donald.
The other issue I have is scheme fit. Plug this dude in at 3-tech in a classic 4-3 and I'm sure he'd feast. And from there, sure, get fancy, move him around, utilize his gifts, but let him eat ripping through the middle of the line. I still don't understand why we seem to be forcing a base 34 on Gregg Williams, who has been an excellent 4-3 coordinator, but all our personnel moves this off-season certainly seem to reinforce that formation. I get it: it's going to be a "hybrid", we're going to build the system around our personnel's strengths, which is something our last two defensive gurus told us we'd be doing, and something I'm sure thirty or so NFL defensive coordinators think they're capable of implementing. But even though Ed Oliver is probably much better suited to play the ol' Multi-Purpose Box Seven, I'm still a little wary of the position.
I think the dude is an awesome prospect with a sky-high ceiling. But there are three awesome prospects with sky-high ceilings at our desperately-weak EDGE1, as well as a sky-high ceiling DT whose floor is probably Leonard Williams. They're all ahead of Oliver for me.
This post is 100% where I’m at.
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ESPN's Rich Cimini reports Jets GM Mike Maccagnan "really likes" Houston DL Ed Oliver.
The public perception of Oliver's draft stock has been a roller coaster since the season ended, but it now appears as if he could come off the board in the first five picks as many expected four months ago. That said, the Jets have been heavily linked with a trade down, so perhaps they are targeting Oliver later in the top ten. New York is reportedly down on Kentucky OLB Josh Allen, who will likely be the best player available at No. 3.
NBC Sports' Peter King was told the Jets "don't love" Kentucky OLB Josh Allen.
As is seemingly always the case, the Jets need an edge rusher, and Allen is expected to be the top option on the board when New York gets on the clock. If they are lukewarm on him, however, the trade rumors which have surrounded the No. 3 pick in recent weeks make a lot of sense. The Jets are one of the more likely teams to trade down on Thursday night.
The Athletic's Connor Hughes reports "few around the league" believe the Jets would pass on Alabama DT Quinnen Williams if he falls to No. 3 overall.
Hughes also reports that the Jets are willing to trade back, and that the Raiders are smitten with Houston's Ed Oliver. Oakland comes one pick after Gang Green, so perhaps if Williams goes No. 2 to the 49ers, the Jets will make the move. Williams seems certain to go in the top five.
Whelp. Guess I should get hyped for an interior lineman.
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Matt Miller thinks that a lot of teams have been scared off Montez Sweat completely due to his medical concerns.
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Pressure is pressure
I don’t care where it comes from as long as the QB is getting hit
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Pressure is pressure
I don’t care where it comes from as long as the QB is getting hit
Nathan Shepherd SZN
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Matt Miller thinks that a lot of teams have been scared off Montez Sweat completely due to his medical concerns.
I don't care about the medical, I just don't like agility. 4.41 in a straight line doesn't translate to a lot of pressure if you can't turn the corner.
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The first time since Abraham where we can actually have a legitimate pass rush specialist and we are going to reach for a guy like Oliver if we stay at 3?
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The first time since Abraham where we can actually have a legitimate pass rush specialist and we are going to reach for a guy like Oliver if we stay at 3?
Why is it a reach?
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Why is it a reach?
http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/25289554
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This thread should explode over the next 24 hours
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Draft great players. We need more of them.
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Why is it a reach?
Allen fills a need for us that we haven't really had in what, 12-15 years. We don't have any competent edge rusher at this point. Don't you see DT, a position where we've already made some significant investment, as a luxury over one where we have nobody to fill the role?
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Allen fills a need for us that we haven't really had in what, 12-15 years. We don't have any competent edge rusher at this point. Don't you see DT, a position where we've already made some significant investment, as a luxury over one where we have nobody to fill the role?
Allen and Oliver are similar in that they're both very reliant on only a couple of traits/moves. So it's not like Allen is a sure thing, certainly not as much as a Bosa or Quinnen imo.
Allen's big advantage over Oliver is that he plays the premium edge position. If I had to pick one right this second to be a Jet at 3, i'm leaning Allen, for the reasoning that Koz and most fans would agree with. But I wouldn't be angry with Oliver. Unlike Allen or Quinnen, Oliver isn't a one-season-wonder. He has the traits to be an elite, Sapp/ADonald-type interior passrusher. He's already phenomenal against the run and at getting into the backfield.
Oliver is as rare a freak athlete as anyone in the draft, and his negatives and lack of sacks are due to mediocre coaching and being put at nose tackle, again imo. To be clear, I prefer taking high ceiling/high floor players in the top 5, which is why I also prefer Bosa and Quinnen over Oliver at 3. Oliver over Allen...I could live with it and understand. Oliver over Bosa....I'd be unhappy as hell.
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Allen fills a need for us that we haven't really had in what, 12-15 years. We don't have any competent edge rusher at this point. Don't you see DT, a position where we've already made some significant investment, as a luxury over one where we have nobody to fill the role?
It’s not a reach unless a better prospect is available. Bosa is really the one player that should be rated higher than him. Oliver was considered the best player in college football until Quinnen Williams emerged in the fall.
It would be BPA versus need.
I’ll be saying this all week: pressure is pressure no matter where it comes from.
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In the end, this is all I ask- "Please, don't freak this up."
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In the end, this is all I ask- "Please, don't freak this up."
Maccagnan hasn't screwed up a day 1 pick yet. The only one we might want a do over with is Darron Lee at #20 in 2016, but he wasn't a bad pick and we didn't leave a stud on the table.
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Lot more smoke about Ed Oliver to the Jets recently.
I'm still hoping we can find a trade partner to move down though. We still have too many holes.
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#Jets and Ed Oliver talk is all “smoke” per @PSchrags.
If Nick Bosa goes 2 and they can’t trade back, the #Jets would take Quinnen Williams.
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Maccagnan hasn't screwed up a day 1 pick yet. The only one we might want a do over with is Darron Lee at #20 in 2016, but he wasn't a bad pick and we didn't leave a stud on the table.
He was such a not bad pick that we paid a guy $17M per year to replace him with no assurance we could get anything of value for him in a trade
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He was such a not bad pick that we paid a guy $17M per year to replace him with no assurance we could get anything of value for him in a trade
If we hadn't signed CJ Mosley, would you or anyone have been at all concerned about our ILB situation going into this season with Lee and Williamson as the starters?
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If Nick Bosa goes 2 and they can’t trade back, the #Jets would take Quinnen Williams.
I'm coming around to Williams.
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Rumor mill is the raiders want Haskins at 4.
Could spur a team to jump to 3. I’m looking at you Cincinnati.
But then again if you let the raiders take Haskins, what would Carr’s market be? He’d sell for at least what Cutler brought in wouldn’t you think? What did Chicago pay for Cutler? 2 1s and a 3? If the Raiders parlayed this years 3 1s into Haskins plus 21s and a 3 for Carr, that’s a fast track move to real success, assuming they use the picks right.
Gotta believe a team like Miami would be quick into the Carr dealings.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/rajpc1/status/1121046112335536128
“Via @mikefreemanNFL
Quinnen to SF. Bosa to the #Jets”
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let’s freaking go
MAGA Bosa
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let’s freaking go
MAGA Bosa
Take him and run.
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let’s freaking go
MAGA Bosa
Together with The Darnold, Bosa will Make The Jets Great Again!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/rajpc1/status/1121046112335536128
“Via @mikefreemanNFL
Quinnen to SF. Bosa to the #Jets”
So what you are saying is if the 49ers draft Bosa we will have people trying to get Williams? Making a trade down even more likely?
So we either get Bosa or we get a trade down we really want? Hells yes let’s go!
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Together with The Darnold, Bosa will Make The Jets Great Again!
And don’t forget our real president Jamal Adams
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Garafolo is reporting that the Redskins are indeed trying to trade into the top 5...the Jets being one of the teams they're talking to.
let's goooo
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Tomorrow's gonna rule
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not too excited about the thought of another interior DL. that being said if we end up picking one, i prefer Oliver to Williams. for all the Q Williams hype imagine what oliver coudlve done surrounded by Bamas talent
the kid was a freaking top 3 pick at Houston before the fallout with the coaching staff.
I'll take Donald 2.0 over Q
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i'm in agreement with some of the stuff that's already been said here. kind of iffy on drafting another iDL over bosa/allen especially when a passrushing 34 OLB has been such a need for us for such a long time, and there will be some good prospects there. i know some have soured on allen but i'd be very happy with either him or bosa if he falls. but i'm for whoever the team/duff want to get after at the 3 spot, and if that is a DL, so be it.
with that being said, i prefer oliver to williams. i can get over drafting another DL over a passrushing EDGE, but if we draft williams over oliver i'll be a little bummed about how we've gone about the #3 pick.
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Cardinals could have Quite the surprise for us tonight #NFLDraft
@Luke Easterling
Note the capital Q
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If the #AZCardinals have made a decision on No. 1, they are keeping it quiet. Source said GM Steve Keim reached out to at least one player -- #Bama DT Quinnen Willliams -- to let him know he’s still a possibility to go first overall.
Rap
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Quinnen going #1 makes our pick so much more valuable
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24 hours ago, there was a sense the Jets wouldn't be able to trade down for a deal to their liking. Now, 3 GMs that I touched base with think the Jets definitely will trade out of No. 3 as long as Nick Bosa is not available. But they don't believe it will be with the Redskins
Manish
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Manish
i want to believe this, but Manish is typically full of excrement.
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i want to believe this, but Manish is typically full of excrement.
Piece of excrement or not. Manish is usually right
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If top 2 picks go as expected - Murray and Bosa - have now had 2 GMs tell me they believe the Bills could move to 3 to land Quinnen Williams. NYJ have not been shy about their zeal to trade down.
La Canfora
Only posting this one for the lols
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Why in all the football hells would the Jets trade down with the Bills?
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Why in all the football hells would the Jets trade down with the Bills?
Because they want to trade up, and when one team wants to trade up, and another team wants to trade down, they make a trade...
I don't care which team we trade down with. I just want to trade down. Trade down, collect some extra picks, and get more opportunities to bolster the roster. Who cares if it's the Bills, Patriots or Giants? Maybe if it were a QB, I would care, but it's not.
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Because they want to trade up, and when one team wants to trade up, and another team wants to trade down, they make a trade...
I don't care which team we trade down with. I just want to trade down. Trade down, collect some extra picks, and get more opportunities to bolster the roster. Who cares if it's the Bills, Patriots or Giants? Maybe if it were a QB, I would care, but it's not.
I'm 100% in favor of trading with the Giants. The stupid non-conference rivalry is meaningless to me.
But I'll never be okay with trading a high draft pick to the Patriots, Bills, or Dolphins. Why would I want to give any of those teams an opportunity to draft a player who could terrorize us at least twice a year for a decade? Absolutely not.
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No surprise here but #Jets working on potential trade back deals to acquire multiple day 2 picks, while not dropping too far
Connor Rogers
“Not far” needs to mean still securing one of Bosa, Allen, Quinnen, or Oliver
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Sounds like there’s a pretty good chance the #Jets trade down. One team already under the impression the Jets have a deal worked out with another team if Q Williams is available at 3. Keep an eye on Buffalo (9). Jets could get edge rusher or OLM in trade down.
Cimini
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Connor Rogers
“Not far” needs to mean still securing one of Bosa, Allen, Quinnen, or Oliver
I hope so...but I wouldn't bet on it
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I'm 100% in favor of trading with the Giants. The stupid non-conference rivalry is meaningless to me.
But I'll never be okay with trading a high draft pick to the Patriots, Bills, or Dolphins. Why would I want to give any of those teams an opportunity to draft a player who could terrorize us at least twice a year for a decade? Absolutely not.
The whole point of making a trade is if you think it makes your team better.
Why would I not jump at the opportunity to take multiple draft picks from the Bills in a trade-up, so they can go all-in on a defensive lineman?
Especially if they drop to 9. They're definitely getting a 2nd round pick this year plus more, and maybe even a 1st-round pick next season, which would be amazing. And they can probably still get a guy like Jawaan Taylor or Brian Burns. Taylor gives us someone to protect Darnold, which is the most important thing this team can do, and Burns may be as good an edge rusher as anyone we can get at 3.
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I love the idea of trading down, but not thrilled with:
A) Trading with a conference opponent, don't want Williams killing Darnold for the next decade
B) Duff's ability to pick players outside the no brainer's
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Who cares if we give the Bills a potentially elite defensive linemen if we get a ransom for it, and they still have Josh Allen as their starting QB
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Piece of excrement or not. Manish is usually right
No he isnt
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The #Jets & #Raiders have talked about a trade involving a swap of the No. 3 and No. 4 pick, per sources.
Connor Hughes
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#Jets have multiple suitors and teams interested for No. 3. About finding the right deal. Clock’s ticking.
Connor Hughes
If you buy the rumors it would be surprising if they don’t trade down at this point
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Connor Hughes
If you buy the rumors it would be surprising if they don’t trade down at this point
I've thought for months they would do everything they could to trade down. Sounds like there's enough interest in Quinnen and maybe the QBs to get that trade down.
The fact that the Bills are apparently willing to trade up for Quinnen is huge for us. It puts pressure on the Raiders if they want Quinnen, and then we can still get Allen/Oliver at 4 while picking up an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick.
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Jets Reporter
Getting word that the Jets have had talks to trade down from the third pick, then back up to the third pick. Please retweet.
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Would be pretty damn interesting if we could trade from 3>4 then 4 to anywhere
Really open up the opportunity for us to address positions and depth we wouldn't have had much of a chance to look at.
An extra pick next year would be icing on the cake
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Quinnen going #1 makes our pick so much more valuable
Means either Murray or Bosa would be on the board at 3
I am excite
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Connor Hughes
If you buy the rumors it would be surprising if they don’t trade down at this point
Naturally this means we're trading up
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https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1247208664894586880
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Not sure the best thread for this.
But this is from a tdn article today: https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-draft-virtual-scouting-opinions-2020
Scout No. 5:
"Remember how at the start of whatever video game franchise mode that you liked to play on Madden, but instead you did a fantasy draft to re-draft every player in the league? That's how talented the undrafted free agent pool will be this year. Teams will be scared to touch some of these guys with medicals that didn't get to get rechecked by the doctors in their facility."
The amount of talent that will spill into the undrafted free agency pool is expected to be at an all-time high. Any player that has missed an ample amount of time due to injuries will land here.
Red flags are also another factor that could cause many players to slip without character questions answer during team visits.
If this is true and teams are simply taking most guys with medicals off their boards, or are only going to be taking 7th round flyers on them, this will be very interesting for some damn talented guys...
It also echoes what Heismanberg was saying about guys with medicals falling a ways.
I'm curious how this affects Tua. He won't be a UDFA, somebody will take a flyer on the guy, earlier than later. But if there are medical issues, he could slide a lot further than anticipated. If he gets into the teens/20's I wouldn't be shocked to see the Colts go and get him
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Tua is not falling past Miami at 5.
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Tua is not falling past Miami at 5.
Tua is not falling past Miami at 5.
All it takes is one team to be scared by the medical and one to like a different guy better, and a slide starts.
That said I agree he won’t be on the board at 7, and if he is then he damn sure won’t be at 8.
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1248277800005615617?s=21
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RUMOR SZN
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1248277800005615617?s=21
I’m confused everyone has been pegging them for months as the team that will trade back, why is this “news” now? Unless he means they might move back ahead of the draft
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RUMOR SZN
As usual, the 2 weeks leading up to the draft will be insufferable.
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Trent Dilfer has been training Tua and says he has a better arm than Dan Marino or Aaron Rodgers. Uh, OK Trent.
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Trent Dilfer has been training Tua and says he has a better arm than Dan Marino or Aaron Rodgers. Uh, OK Trent.
Trent is also a bald QB.
#Cancelled
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CEO of TDN tweeted that Tampa are working hard to find a trade partner so they can move up for a tackle early in the first. They're currently 14th, we can well do without more teams in front of us taking tackles.
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CEO of TDN tweeted that Tampa are working hard to find a trade partner so they can move up for a tackle early in the first. They're currently 14th, we can well do without more teams in front of us taking tackles.
This is a legit concern that hasn’t been discussed on this board much, if at all.
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CEO of TDN tweeted that Tampa are working hard to find a trade partner so they can move up for a tackle early in the first. They're currently 14th, we can well do without more teams in front of us taking tackles.
One door closes, another opens. Maybe that gives us our choice of WR. Maybe we could BE the trade partner if we are all in on a WR or not interested in what's left at tackle. But overall, if the Jets are looking tackle, that's not ideal.
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Depends on who they trade with. If it’s the Cardinals, it’s essentially the same as what we have now. The danger is if they trade with a team unlikely to go OT such as Carolina, or the Jaguars.
I think that the top 10 is going to end up (in some order)
Burrow
Young
Okudah
Simmons
Tua
Herbert
3 OTs (my guess, Becton, Wirfs, Wills)
1 other player, possibly Derrick Brown or Javon Kinlaw, could be WR 1 (most likely Lamb)
That’s been my guesstimate top 10 for a long time. Worst case scenario for us IMO is if OT4 takes the last spot of Brown/Kinlaw/WR1, and only 2 QBs go top 10. If that happens I’d be desperately trying to move off of 11 for extra slots, but who is trading up? Why are they moving up? What would they give up? I can’t imagine we make a deal and we stick and pick there, what would likely be our WR 2, or reach for our OT5.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
One team that appears poised to make some noise with a move up is the #Falcons. They have spent a lot of times evaluating and talking to players who figure to be gone by No. 16… and when other teams do their projections, they believe Atlanta will be on the move.
Brugler thinks it could be for CJ Henderson.
If the top 4 OL are gone, i hope Douglas's line is open for Dmitroff. Trade down to 16 for someone like Ruiz, pick up some extra draft capital...profit.
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Brugler thinks it could be for CJ Henderson.
If the top 4 OL are gone, i hope Douglas's line is open for Dmitroff. Trade down to 16 for someone like Ruiz, pick up some extra draft capital...profit.
What could we get from the Falcons if we move down? The gap between 11 and 16 isn't enough to get a real haul unless the Falcons are absolutely in love with someone and convinced a deal can't be had to get him any other way. I don't see them parting with much more than a third.
Given your scenario of a run on offensive tackles, unless Douglas has his receivers bunched up with similar grades on his boards, I'd rather he went with the guy he had the most belief and conviction in at 11 then move down just for the sake of a third rounder.
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What could we get from the Falcons if we move down? The gap between 11 and 16 isn't enough to get a real haul unless the Falcons are absolutely in love with someone and convinced a deal can't be had to get him any other way. I don't see them parting with much more than a third.
Given your scenario of a run on offensive tackles, unless Douglas has his receivers bunched up with similar grades on his boards, I'd rather he went with the guy he had the most belief and conviction in at 11 then move down just for the sake of a third rounder.
it depends on the proposed haul and who we think will be available at 16. I don't have the draft chart in front of me, but you're probably right on the 3rd rounder being the compensation. However, you and I both know that prices can go up...and we finally have a GM who's a little more savvy when it comes to making trades (ie compensation for Leonard Williams).
So if the proposed deal isn't sufficient, i trust Douglas to make the right call. We'll see how desperate Atl is to move up if the rumor is true.
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...and we finally have a GM who's a little more savvy when it comes to making trades
To be fair to Maccagnan, the one thing he was pretty good at was trading. Can't really think of one that wasn't a good deal for us.
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To be fair to Maccagnan, the one thing he was pretty good at was trading. Can't really think of one that wasn't a good deal for us.
Kelechi Osemele
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To be fair to Maccagnan, the one thing he was pretty good at was trading. Can't really think of one that wasn't a good deal for us.
Douglas fleeced the Giants on his first trade...i don't remember Duff fleecing anyone.
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Kelechi Osemele
It was a 5th round pick for starting caliber talent. It didn't work out but it wasn't a bad trade.
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Douglas fleeced the Giants on his first trade...i don't remember Duff fleecing anyone.
Pretty much every trade he made was good value for us. I don't really care about the other team - if it was win-win then I'm fine with that.
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Pretty much every trade he made was good value for us. I don't really care about the other team - if it was win-win then I'm fine with that.
No
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Pretty much every trade he made was good value for us. I don't really care about the other team - if it was win-win then I'm fine with that.
While it was worth it in retrospect to move up for Darnold, it's hard to argue that he didn't overpay in moving up from 6 to 3.
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While it was worth it to move up for Darnold, it's hard to argue that he didn't overpay to move up from 6 to 3.
Out of 100 times how many do you not make that trade?
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Out of 100 times how many do you not make that trade?
In that moment, I would not have given up three 2nd round picks to move up three spots in the draft. In retrospect, everyone loves the trade because we ended up with Darnold. We could have just as easily have ended up with Rosen and been screwed from here to kingdom come.
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Your argument was about value. Objectively, that was not good value.
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In that moment, I would not have given up three 2nd round picks to move up three spots. In retrospect, everyone loves the trade because we ended up with Darnold. We could have just as easily have ended up with Rosen and been screwed from here to kingdom come.
So what you're saying is that it was a really good trade? Also, there was no reason why we would have ended up with Rosen. If you had Mayfield, Darnold and Allen as the top three on your board then you were guaranteed one of them. If Maccagnan had Rosen as one of his top three then the issue was with his board, not the trade.
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Your argument was about value. Objectively, that was not good value.
Objectively, it clearly was. He guaranteed us a franchise QB.
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To be fair to Maccagnan, the one thing he was pretty good at was trading. Can't really think of one that wasn't a good deal for us.
Rashard Robinson
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So what you're saying is that it was a really good trade? Also, there was no reason why we would have ended up with Rosen. If you had Mayfield, Darnold and Allen as the top three on your board then you were guaranteed one of them. If Maccagnan had Rosen as one of his top three then the issue was with his board, not the trade.
Just because it turned out in our favor does not mean that it was a good decision or fair value at the time the trade was made. At the time, everyone had a difference of opinion on the ordering of the quarterbacks but most people on this board had Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield as their top-3 choices with Allen a distant fourth. I distinctly remember people saying that if Darnold wasn't available (and the assumption at the time was that he was going #1) that they wanted Rosen or Mayfield. Furthermore, if we had simply stood pat at 6 we likely (and history bore this out) would have come away with one of the top-4 quarterbacks anyway.
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Rashard Robinson
That wasn't so great, but there were mildly extenuating circumstances - our secondary was half dead and mid season the options aren't generally too extensive.
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Just because it turned out in our favor does not mean that it was a good decision or fair value at the time the trade was made. At the time, everyone had a difference of opinion on the ordering of the quarterbacks but most people on this board had Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield as their top-3 choices with Allen a distant fourth. I distinctly remember people suggesting that if Darnold wasn't available (and the assumption at the time was that he was going #1) that they wanted Rosen or Mayfield. Furthermore, if we had stood pat at 6 we more than likely (and history bore this out) would have come away with one of the top 4 quarterbacks anyway.
By trading up to 3 we guaranteed we got a franchise QB. There's really nothing more to it than that, trying to retcon that trade as a bad move that just happened to work out is one of the more bizarre positions you've taken.
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Objectively, it clearly was. He guaranteed us a franchise QB.
It also compromised our ability to put talent around that franchise quarterback, though, given Maccagnan’s draft history maybe it wouldn't have made any difference having those extra 2nd round picks.
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By trading up to 3 we guaranteed we got a franchise QB. There's really nothing more to it than that, trying to retcon that trade as a bad move that just happened to work out is one of the more bizarre positions you've taken.
Your argument was about value. We gave up three 2nd round picks to move up three spots. That was not good value.
Knowing how the trade turned out, yes, I would make it again but that is a separate argument.
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What could we get from the Falcons if we move down? The gap between 11 and 16 isn't enough to get a real haul unless the Falcons are absolutely in love with someone and convinced a deal can't be had to get him any other way. I don't see them parting with much more than a third.
Given your scenario of a run on offensive tackles, unless Douglas has his receivers bunched up with similar grades on his boards, I'd rather he went with the guy he had the most belief and conviction in at 11 then move down just for the sake of a third rounder.
If Atlanta wants to give up their 2nd, they can get higher than us. Which is also good for us, not as good as swinging a deal with us, but if they jump ahead of 11, that pushes an OT down to us. I’d expect if they want to give up their #2 they go to Arizona’s spot at 8, to try and leapfrog the Jaguars for Henderson
If they move with us, I’d expect a 3+ something like a 2021 4th rounder, which equates to a 2020 5th.
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I side with JE on the Darnold trade. Hindsight is a valid POV for trades and draft picks. The pick turned out to be phenomenal value for the Jets--regardless of what some value board might say. Had he picked Rosen, it would have been far worse value than the board dictates.
You can make arguments about other trades (like the R. Robinson trade) being poor value, but the trade that netted Darnold was fantastic.
Look at it from the POV that while he may have seemingly paid "a lot" months "too early" imagine if he'd have waited? If another team jumped to pay Indy, we lose that spot--and Darnold. If he waits till the draft, we give up a Ditka for Darnold.
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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport expects the draft's receiver run to begin at No. 11 with the Jets or No. 12 with the Raiders.
Per Rapsheet, it is "pretty clear that those two teams have had their eyes on receivers." Both clubs, of course, have desperate needs at wideout. Rapoport also confirms that Oklahoma's CeeDee Lamb and Alabama's Jerry Jeudy lead most teams' receiver boards. Other receiver-needy squads could always trade up, but selections 1-10 are not obvious receiver landing spots this year.
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I can't argue with the Darnold trade. We gave up a lot, but we ended up getting the QB we wanted, so it worked out.
As for the Tampa rumor...I'm not surprised. I think it's 50/50 that all 4 OTs are gone by our pick.
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
I had a GM tell me, “The media is wronger about mock drafts this year than you guys have ever been.” Point being, players are going to be taken in places no one expects.
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
I had a GM tell me, “The media is wronger about mock drafts this year than you guys have ever been.” Point being, players are going to be taken in places no one expects.
TDN nerds are v mad
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TDN nerds are v mad
I'm just upset that Rap thought it was OK to say "wronger".
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I'm just upset that Rap thought it was OK to say "wronger".
Technically a GM said it.
Probably that sloppy fat drunk in Arizona
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I'm just upset that Rap thought it was OK to say "wronger".
Bothered me too.
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Dane Brugler
@dpbrugler
If AJ Terrell is available. Several teams in the top-16 picks have their eyes on the Clemson CB.
Draft szn
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In a poll of 17 NFL executives and scouts by The Athletic's Bob McGinn, one scout said Boise State OT Ezra Cleveland reminded him of Packers LT David Bakhtiari and Chargers RT Bryan Bulaga.
Cleveland's buzz is building of late, as NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported the Browns could be eyeing Cleveland in a trade-down scenario from No. 10 overall. Cleveland hasn't been mentioned in the same class as Mekhi Becton, Andrew Thomas, Tristan Wirfs, and Jedrick Wills, but it does sound like Cleveland has a shot to go in the first round. “He reminds me of some of the guys Green Bay has had over the years,” said the scout. “Bulaga, Bakhtiari, guys that kind of are just functional and get the job done. They’re not spectacular, just steady." Bakhtiari is one of the best left tackles in the sport. Cleveland (6'6/311) led all tackles in the 40-yard dash (4.97), Wonderlic (30), bench press (30), short shuttle (4.46), and three-cone (7.26) at the Combine.
Cleveland 2 Cleveland. Reach for him you fuckers.
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Lions GM Bob Quinn tells reporters that he’s had conversations with teams about trading No. 3, and those will continue. That is where the draft starts.
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Lions GM Bob Quinn tells reporters that he’s had conversations with teams about trading No. 3, and those will continue. That is where the draft starts.
Once Chase Young is gone...there's no one worth trading that high for.
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Lions GM Bob Quinn tells reporters that he’s had conversations with teams about trading No. 3, and those will continue. That is where the draft starts.
He sounds as desperate as we were last year, but nothing happened last year and I don’t think anything will this year either
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Once Chase Young is gone...there's no one worth trading that high for.
Not for us, but if you're a team that's desperate for a QB and worried someone else will take your guy then you might consider it. Miami for example might be worried about the Chargers trading up to 3, and do the deal themselves.
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Not for us, but if you're a team that's desperate for a QB and worried someone else will take your guy then you might consider it. Miami for example might be worried about the Chargers trading up to 3, and do the deal themselves.
I was watching ESPN earlier today...there's talk that the QBs could drop. Which would kill our chances of landing one of the top 4 OL. Hearing them talk about it made me nauseous.
There's so much uncertainty this year because of the circumstances.
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I was watching ESPN earlier today...there's talk that the QBs could drop. Which would kill our chances of landing one of the top 4 OL. Hearing them talk about it made me nauseous.
There's so much uncertainty this year because of the circumstances.
Which QBs? Burrow is going #1 and Miami aren't letting Tua get past #5. I think there's a fair argument that Herbert and Love aren't top 10 material anyway, but you never know what's going to happen with QBs.
We really need some of the less shiny top notch players to take someone's heart early, the likes of Kinlaw and Brown and Chaisson. Throw in a receiver in the top ten and we'll have an OL available.
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Which QBs? Burrow is going #1 and Miami aren't letting Tua get past #5. I think there's a fair argument that Herbert and Love aren't top 10 material anyway, but you never know what's going to happen with QBs.
We really need some of the less shiny top notch players to take someone's heart early, the likes of Kinlaw and Brown and Chaisson. Throw in a receiver in the top ten and we'll have an OL available.
They were referring to Herbert and Tua
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They were referring to Herbert and Tua
I find it hard to believe Tua drops. A few months ago he was the concensus #1; I can't see him getting past Miami and the Chargers, who I refuse to believe are actually committed to Turdrod as their #1 no matter what Lynn says.
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I find it hard to believe Tua drops. A few months ago he was the concensus #1; I can't see him getting past Miami and the Chargers, who I refuse to believe are actually committed to Turdrod as their #1 no matter what Lynn says.
It’s all medicals for Tua. If he is brittle or not healing well, I can see him not going top 10.
We are absolutely hoping both go top 10, and at least 4 of the top 10 are defenders. If the 3 QBs go and 5 of the following go our lives will be a lot easier, Young, Okudah, Simmons, Brown, Kinlaw, Henderson. Young Okudah and Simmons are locks, 2 QBs are locks. Heck we don’t even need multiple OTs to slide, we just need the right one (aka the one we want) to slide.
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https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1251468992851726336?s=20
Howie Roseman asks Douglas to call him during an Eagles pre-draft press conference
I’d be very curious what Phill would offer to get Douglas to move off 11.
Last year the Steelers moved from 20 to 10 for 52 and a 2020 3rd rounder.
Would we take a similar deal if our OT(s) of choice are off the board?
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https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1251468992851726336?s=20
Howie Roseman asks Douglas to call him during an Eagles pre-draft press conference
I’d be very curious what Phill would offer to get Douglas to move off 11.
Last year the Steelers moved from 20 to 10 for 52 and a 2020 3rd rounder.
Would we take a similar deal if our OT(s) of choice are off the board?
My guess would be we could get their 2nd and 3rd, but who knows. It would be nice to have 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3 for a rebuilding team. I bet we could get a surprise faller at 21 too.
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My guess would be we could get their 2nd and 3rd, but who knows. It would be nice to have 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3 for a rebuilding team. I bet we could get a surprise faller at 21 too.
I was also think H’s boy Ruiz could be a prime target there, along with Justin Jefferson
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I was also think H’s boy Ruiz could be a prime target there, along with Justin Jefferson
Draft 2 WRs and the rest of the draft OL.
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My guess would be we could get their 2nd and 3rd, but who knows. It would be nice to have 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3 for a rebuilding team. I bet we could get a surprise faller at 21 too.
Doubt we get both of those. They gave up a 4th and a 6th to move up from 25 to 22 last year. I think we can get a 2nd and maybe a 6th for 21 to 12.
2nd and 3rd might make more sense from a draft value chart, but if all four OTs are gone (or we don't like the only OT there), I'm fine to trade down for whatever we can get, as long as it's decent.
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Doubt we get both of those. They gave up a 4th and a 6th to move up from 25 to 22 last year. I think we can get a 2nd and maybe a 6th for 21 to 12.
2nd and 3rd might make more sense from a draft value chart, but if all four OTs are gone (or we don't like the only OT there), I'm fine to trade down for whatever we can get, as long as it's decent.
That’s the trade Pitt made with Denver last year to go from 20 to 10, which is essentially the same as 21-11.
But it was a future 3rd. I want pucks now, but I’m not opposed to future picks either. Extra high picks next year will be just as critical
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It'll be funny if after all these years of wanting to trade back, Fat Doug trades completely out of the first round and we all bitch and complain.
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That’s the trade Pitt made with Denver last year to go from 20 to 10, which is essentially the same as 21-11.
But it was a future 3rd. I want pucks now
You can't have me.
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You can't have me.
$50 says different
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$50 says different
A nickel under a bridge says different.
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$50 says different
A nickel under a bridge says different.
They say the truth always lies somewhere in between.
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No
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No
No to Puck pimping himself out? Or no to trading down with Philly?
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Is Isaiah Simmons a good enough player to take at 11 over a WR if all four OTs are gone?
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Is Isaiah Simmons a good enough player to take at 11 over a WR if all four OTs are gone?
No.
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No to Puck pimping himself out? Or no to trading down with Philly?
Yes
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Is Isaiah Simmons a good enough player to take at 11 over a WR if all four OTs are gone?
Dear god no
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Thread title should be JetsWhispers
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Is Isaiah Simmons a good enough player to take at 11 over a WR if all four OTs are gone?
If the tackles are gone, yes. Especially from a value standpoint.
The only three prospects I’d consider over tackle are Chase Young, Jeff Okudah, and Isaiah Simmons.
The WR class is great. There will be starting caliber wideouts available outside of the first.
Simmons as an EDGE is enticing.
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Dear god no
He would most definitely be the best player available
If Simmons, Jeudy, Ruggs, and Lamb are there at 11, Douglas should probably trade back to the highest bidder.
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No to Puck pimping himself out? Or no to trading down with Philly?
Lol no to a trade down with Philly
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He would most definitely be the best player available
If Simmons, Jeudy, Ruggs, and Lamb are there at 11, Douglas should probably trade back to the highest bidder.
I would hope this is the plan.
I want Simmons to go top 10. I expect he will go top 10.
But how is the NFL going to react to a unicorn like him? Will DCs be creative enough to get the most out of him? I have no idea. But I could see them all saying “he’s an amazing talent, but he won’t be that good in our system, so we can take this guy instead” and he’s the guy sliding out of the top 10.
I’m really hoping he goes to Carolina
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Drafting Simmons would be a really poor choice for us. We have massive needs at other positions
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Drafting Simmons would be a really poor choice for us. We have massive needs at other positions
Drafting Simmons is a foregone conclusion now
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Drafting Simmons would be a really poor choice for us. We have massive needs at other positions
WR is not a premium position
EDGE, CB, and OT are
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WR is not a premium position
EDGE, CB, and OT are
The problem with Simmons is that he is presented to the world as an LB, and he is so much more than that. So people (fans) will see him drafted and assume we took aN MLB in the 3-4 when it’s basically the deepest position on the roster aside from DL.
I wish Simmons was in the draft last year, because I’d have taken him in a second at 3, but with out needs this year being all offense, I think we need to find a trade partner if he’s still on the board
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WR is not a premium position
EDGE, CB, and OT are
Calling Simmons an edge guy is a bit disingenuous. We have a lot of money invested at LB. I’d much rather spend that #11 pick on OT or WR. We need to help Sam
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Calling Simmons an edge guy is a bit disingenuous. We have a lot of money invested at LB.
Simmons played the majority of his snaps as an edge linebacker/slot hybrid. It's not disingenuous at all to label him as an EDGE depending on which system he goes into. He had 7 sacks on just 71 designed blitz attempts.
We have money invested in inside linebackers, not outside. It's arguably the weakest position on our roster.
I’d much rather spend that #11 pick on OT or WR. We need to help Sam
In this scenario, the top four tackle prospects are off the board. I would take Isaiah Simmons over any receiver in this draft.
A player like Brandon Aiyuk in the second could end up being every bit as good as Ceedee Lamb.
Aside from Julio Jones (and there is not a player of his caliber in this draft class), most of the best receivers in the NFL were not high draft picks. Michael Thomas, Davante Adams, and Chris Godwin are prime examples of why you don't have to reach for a receiver prospect.
Keenan Allen, Kenny Golladay, Michael Gallup, Jarvis Landry, Cooper Kupp...the list goes on.
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Simmons played the majority of his snaps as an edge linebacker/slot hybrid. It's not disingenuous at all to label him as an EDGE depending on which system he goes into. He had 7 sacks on just 71 designed blitz attempts.
We have money invested in inside linebackers, not outside. It's arguably the weakest position on our roster.
In this scenario, the top four tackle prospects are off the board. I would take Isaiah Simmons over any receiver in this draft.
A player like Brandon Aiyuk in the second could end up being every bit as good as Ceedee Lamb.
Aside from Julio Jones (and there is not a player of his caliber in this draft class), most of the best receivers in the NFL were not high draft picks. Michael Thomas, Davante Adams, and Chris Godwin are prime examples of why you don't have to reach for a receiver prospect.
Keenan Allen, Kenny Golladay, Michael Gallup, Jarvis Landry, Cooper Kupp...the list goes on.
I'm hoping the trade back option is there if Simmons is on the board at 11. I'm not disputing that EDGE isn't a hole we need filled, but i'm tired of this franchise not helping their QBs out.
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The same argument can be made about not addressing the EDGE.
There are plenty of ways to get Sam help in rounds 2 3, and 4.
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The same argument can be made about not addressing the EDGE.
There are plenty of ways to get Sam help in rounds 2 3, and 4.
Sam's development & health > pass rush
not saying we don't need a pass rush, but it's further down the pecking order imo. Especially since we have an elite DC who's proven he can get make some sweet chicken salad from chicken excrement.
EDIT: i'm not cutting down your opinion, Klax...because you're not wrong. I just think it's time to put Sam first.
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Sam's development & health > pass rush
not saying we don't need a pass rush, but it's further down the pecking order imo. Especially since we have an elite DC who's proven he can get make some sweet chicken salad from chicken excrement.
EDIT: i'm not cutting down your opinion, Klax...because you're not wrong. I just think it's time to put Sam first.
Every pick we make in the first four rounds should have Sam in mind. It doesnt need to be an offensive pick, but hopefully joe understands that this team lives and dies with sam being successful and we need to put some stars around him this year to build for the future.
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Sam's development & health > pass rush
not saying we don't need a pass rush, but it's further down the pecking order imo. Especially since we have an elite DC who's proven he can get make some sweet chicken salad from chicken excrement.
EDIT: i'm not cutting down your opinion, Klax...because you're not wrong. I just think it's time to put Sam first.
I don't disagree that they absolutely should put Sam first. Every mock I've done for the Jets, I've gone OT & WR heavy the first 4 picks.
But if they opt to address the EDGE with Simmons, I'm not going to throw a sh*t-fit like if they were to say, draft another DT yet again. It's not ideal, but it's not terrible either.
They just better do right by Sam and damn near dedicate the rest of the draft to getting him help, namely OL and WRs.
Something tells me the Jets drafting will be much different under JD, and more aligned with what the fans want.
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I don't disagree that they absolutely should put Sam first. Every mock I've done for the Jets, I've gone OT & WR heavy the first 4 picks.
But if they opt to address the EDGE with Simmons, I'm not going to throw a sh*t-fit like if they were to say, draft another DT yet again. It's not ideal, but it's not terrible either.
They just better do right by Sam and damn near dedicate the rest of the draft to getting him help, namely OL and WRs.
Something tells me the Jets drafting will be much different under JD, and more aligned with what the fans want.
Here’s hoping we are right about that
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Something tells me the Jets drafting will be much different under JD, and more aligned with what the fans want.
Blind hope. That's what's telling you that.
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I'm hoping the trade back option is there if Simmons is on the board at 11. I'm not disputing that EDGE isn't a hole we need filled, but i'm tired of this franchise not helping their QBs out.
We have other picks in the draft other than 11
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We have other picks in the draft other than 11
Perfect...we can use one of them on an edge rusher
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If we have our choice of any wide receiver in a brilliant wide receiver class and we pick an off-ball linebacker/safety hybrid then we deserve Sam Darnold's inevitable demise.
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If we have our choice of any wide receiver in a brilliant wide receiver class and we pick an off-ball linebacker/safety hybrid then we deserve Sam Darnold's inevitable demise.
Correct
But only if Becton/Wirfs/Wills are off the board
Order of importance
OL
WR
everything else
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If we have our choice of any wide receiver in a brilliant wide receiver class and we pick an off-ball linebacker/safety hybrid then we deserve Sam Darnold's inevitable demise.
None of these players are Julio Jones/AJ Green/Calvin Johnson.
It is a deep draft at wide receiver. You can get a few quality starters outside of the first. A receiver is not going to do well in our offense if we can't protect Sam Darnold.
You're not going to find a defensive front seven player as talented as Isaiah Simmons outside of the top of this draft. EDGE class is weak. If the tackles are gone, I'm OK with taking Simmons at 11 if we can't move back.
If you can't protect the QB, get after the opposing one.
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I'm against using the 11th pick on Ceedee Lamb.
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Something tells me the Jets drafting will be much different under JD, and more aligned with what the fans want.
I really hope he listens to his scouts and not our moronic fanbase.
"DRAFT MICHAEL PITTMAN JR IN DA SECOND! HE IS SAM'S BFF!"
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The only positions that should be off the table at 11 are QB, RB, S, ILB, and DL.
We are bad everywhere else.
I'd hate to see us draft a wideout at 11 when similar quality talent will be available at 48.
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I'm against using the 11th pick on Ceedee Lamb.
Seconded
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Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs III are so much further along than Ceedee Lamb when it comes to actually beating press, separating/stemming, and running a full route tree.
If Douglas is who they say he is, he will be all over Henry Ruggs III. Ultra-competitive, tough as hell gamebreaker.
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None of these players are Julio Jones/AJ Green/Calvin Johnson.
I mean I guess that's fair. None of the top three would last past the sixth pick if they were.
It is a deep draft at wide receiver. You can get a few quality starters outside of the first.
We have roughly zero ability to find capable starters outside of the first round until proven otherwise. I think that'll change with Joe Douglas, but I sure as excrement am not banking on it.
A receiver is not going to do well in our offense if we can't protect Sam Darnold.
That's preposterous logic and you know it. "We can't block for him so why give him any help at all?" Come on.
You're not going to find a defensive front seven player as talented as Isaiah Simmons outside of the top of this draft. EDGE class is weak. If the tackles are gone, I'm OK with taking Simmons at 11 if we can't move back.
Isaiah Simmons is not an EDGE. If edge blitzing efficiency is what made an EDGE then we could move Jamal Adams there and be done with it. Can 238 lb. Isaiah Simmons engage a 300+ lb. offensive tackle at the line of scrimmage 20+ times a game? I highly, highly doubt it, but maaaybe. I don't know why you would want to use him that way, it seems like it would be a poor use of his immense talents, but I'll allow that he might be able to bulk up and get it done.
Jerry Jeudy's chances of being a true number one are orders of magnitude higher than that move panning out, though.
If you can't protect the QB, get after the opposing one.
Catchy. We can put it on Sam's tombstone.
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Catchy. We can put it on Sam's tombstone.
"You should see the state of the other guy!"
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Can 238 lb. Isaiah Simmons engage a 300+ lb. offensive tackle at the line of scrimmage 20+ times a game? I highly, highly doubt it, but maaaybe.
How much of Isaiah Simmons have you seen? He is an elite blitzer.
In our scheme, he'd be a true chess piece as a weakside player. He wouldn't have to engage offensive tackles consistently.
You can use him as a coverage linebacker, slot defender, and as a pass rusher. He's great at all of it.
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Wide receiver is not a premium position and it will not make that much of a difference for the Jets right now.
This argument about Simmons is most likely pointless because he'll be long gone by pick 11 because he's an elite prospect.
I'd take CJ Henderson over these receivers too. We need talent everywhere. Take the best players.
Look at the draft class as a whole. Wideout is the deepest position group. It's easier to find talent at that position than just about any of them. If Sam Darnold is our franchise player, he can elevate the play of the skill talent we put around him.
It's offensive line or defense for me if we stay at 11. I don't want a receiver. If Douglas decides to go wideout, I just hope it's not Ceedee.
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Simmons is faster than almost any offensive player in this draft besides Ruggs, and he does it at 6'4" 238 lbs. Adding him to our defense could be enough to go from good to great as long as the CBs hold up.
I think 3 of the top 4 picks need to be offense. But I'm fine addressing one of our defensive needs with a top-3 round pick if value matches need.
I keep having a bad feeling all four OTs are gone. In that scenario, taking a WR seems like the obvious play, but if all four OT are gone, that means someone may have slipped.
Obviously I wouldn't take a Kinlaw or Brown with our pick, but Simmons, Okudah and Yoing are the 3 defensive exceptions. I could be convinced on CJ Henderson, but at that point, I would rather just go WR.
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A franchise quarterback (with protection) should be able to elevate his surrounding skill talent.
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I really hope he listens to his scouts and not our moronic fanbase.
"DRAFT MICHAEL PITTMAN JR IN DA SECOND! HE IS SAM'S BFF!"
I was referring to from JO, not collectively as a fan base. I don't give two shits what other Jets fans outside of this site have to say about the draft.
Really though, WTF is wrong with Pittman?
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I think I have too much faith in our current group of WR and the WRs in this class, but I am hoping our order of picks (assuming no trades) is
OT
CB/Edge
CB/Edge
WR
I am biased, but I want Bryan Edwards on this damn team. As a freshman, he reminded me of Alshon (who I am still bitter of missing out on) and we can get a real value of him with his current injury status
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I just hope there is a run on QBs and Defensive players in the top 10. If there is a run on OT and/or WR then trade back if possible and load up on positions of need
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I just hope there is a run on QBs and Defensive players in the top 10. If there is a run on OT and/or WR then trade back if possible and load up on positions of need
The best thing for us would be a top 10 where NO WRs go, and only 1 OT. I don’t see it happening, but it’s the best thing for us.
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I was referring to from JO, not collectively as a fan base. I don't give two shits what other Jets fans outside of this site have to say about the draft.
Really though, WTF is wrong with Pittman?
Nothing is wrong with Pittman. He is just a third round prospect, at best.
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Nothing is wrong with Pittman. He is just a third round prospect, at best.
Pittman or Higgins?
I've heard both sides, so I be the tiebreaker for me here.
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Pittman or Higgins?
I've heard both sides, so I be the tiebreaker for me here.
I would take Higgins over any receiver in this draft not named Jeudy/Ruggs/Lamb
Hope that answers your question
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I would take Higgins over any receiver in this draft not named Jeudy/Ruggs/Lamb
Hope that answers your question
Further complicates things. LOL.
I guess that begs the question, whats you opinion on Justin Jefferson? It doesn't send like you're too high on him compared to other scouts and/or mock analysts.
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Further complicates things. LOL.
I guess that begs the question, whats you opinion on Justin Jefferson? It doesn't send like you're too high on him compared to other scouts and/or mock analysts.
Justin Jefferson is a slot receiver. We have a very good one of those and two solid tight ends.
We need someone that can play outside and beat press. Jeudy and Ruggs and play outside/in. Higgins is a true X receiver that will win deep and in the redzone.
Jefferson is a hell of a player but he is iffy outside.
Jeudy
Ruggs
Lamb
Higgins
Mims
My biggest problem with Lamb and Jefferson is that they haven't had to beat press and they could have serious issues separating.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Talked to a bunch of GMs over the weekend. A couple of guys that will go higher than anticipated:
USC OT Austin Jackson
TCU WR Jalen Reagor
Bama CB Trevon Diggs
TENN Edge Darrell Taylor
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The only real surprise there is Darrell Taylor.
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Justin Jefferson is a slot receiver. We have a very good one of those and two solid tight ends.
We need someone that can play outside and beat press. Jeudy and Ruggs and play outside/in. Higgins is a true X receiver that will win deep and in the redzone.
Jefferson is a hell of a player but he is iffy outside.
Jeudy
Ruggs
Lamb
Higgins
Mims
My biggest problem with Lamb and Jefferson is that they haven't had to beat press and they could have serious issues separating.
Sounds like Chan Gailey's wet dream
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Rumors of Browns interest in Trent Williams. Just a rumor, but would be nice. One less team drafting an OT ahead of us. Then again, it would just mean someone could jump us for one.
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https://twitter.com/natalieegenolf/status/1252659070978457601?s=21
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Rumors of Browns interest in Trent Williams. Just a rumor, but would be nice. One less team drafting an OT ahead of us. Then again, it would just mean someone could jump us for one.
I'm fairly convinced that Tampa are going to try and trade up for a tackle. They're all in right now and need elite talent, not depth and development, especially on the OL.
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I'm fairly convinced that Tampa are going to try and trade up for a tackle. They're all in right now and need elite talent, not depth and development, especially on the OL.
Would make sense. They don't have much cap space.
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I'm fairly convinced that Tampa are going to try and trade up for a tackle. They're all in right now and need elite talent, not depth and development, especially on the OL.
If there is one team poised to pay future picks to move up, its Tampa Bay.
I expect they move up twice, once for an OT and once for a RB.
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https://twitter.com/pschrags/status/1253081011975532545?s=21
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https://twitter.com/pschrags/status/1253081011975532545?s=21
I want Wirfs, but Mt. Becton would be damn exciting too. My dream scenario is 2 OTs that we like and all 3 WRs are on the board, so we can trade back to 15 or 16 for picks we need
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https://twitter.com/pschrags/status/1253081011975532545?s=21
'expected'
so we don't know what's going to happen until it happens
although would be nice to have a shot at becton at 11
would be funny to see what this board would do if becton was available and we didn't select him because of the weed
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'expected'
so we don't know what's going to happen until it happens
although would be nice to have a shot at becton at 11
would be funny to see what this board would do if becton was available and we didn't select him because of the weed
I feel confident if we passed on Becton it would work out very similarly to the "We want Sapp!" situation.
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I feel confident if we passed on Becton it would work out very similarly to the "We want Sapp!" situation.
lol. we're all going to be in front of the tv shouting the 'we want sapp' moment
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lol. we're all going to be in front of the tv shouting the 'we want sapp' moment
I meant Jets fans would end up regretting it when he goes on to kill it in another uniform (possibly the Bucs lol)
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Or know we dodged a bullet because he keeps getting suspended for failed drug tests
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Or know we dodged a bullet because he keeps getting suspended for failed drug tests
But... he wouldn't be suspended for those failed drug tests.
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But... he wouldn't be suspended for those failed drug tests.
Whatever I don’t know the terms of the CBA
how about becomes lazy and his weight balloons
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Pope judging a prospect's character right before the draft?
It's like clockwork.
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Majority of people who can’t stop smoking weed are lazy fucks
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Majority of people who can’t stop smoking weed are lazy fucks
Under the new CBA, positive tests aren't even supposed to be released until a player is up for suspension.
If this news never came out, what would you think of him?
This news was clearly leaked by a front office to create a free fall. Very similar to the Laremy Tunsil video on draft day a few years back.
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Under the new CBA, positive tests aren't even supposed to be released until a player is up for suspension.
If this news never came out, what would you think of him?
This news was clearly leaked by a front office to create a free fall. Very similar to the Laremy Tunsil video on draft day a few years back.
I don’t understand the question.. if I didn’t know about his failed result how would I feel about his character?
If you’re asking me about his overall ability I don’t know, I haven’t really seen him play. I just don’t like red flags considering the excrement we’ve had to deal with in this franchise. For once I’d like a blue chip talent that we don’t have to worry about freaking mono, or holdouts, or trade rumors, or hating the front office, etc etc. If we draft Bekton I’d be happy with the pick but I want Andrew Thomas.
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if I didn’t know about his failed result how would I feel about his character?
You wouldn't have anything to say at all apparently.
I haven’t really seen him play.
This is like the time you compared Cam Newton to Brad Smith
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You wouldn't have anything to say at all apparently.
This is like the time you compared Cam Newton to Brad Smith
I can only judge someone based on what is reported it’s a stupid question. It’s not like I know the guy personally.
Cam Newton had a nice run for a few years. Now he’s beat up and looking for a starting QB gig at the age of 30. I didn’t think he’d be a good quarterback in this league and I was wrong about that for a few seasons but it was not sustainable and that turned out to be true. Same thing will happen to Lamar Jackson.
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I can only judge someone based on what is reported it’s a stupid question. It’s not like I know the guy personally.
Do you know Andrew Thomas personally?
Cam Newton had a nice run for a few years. Now he’s beat up and looking for a starting QB gig at the age of 30. I didn’t think he’d be a good quarterback in this league and I was wrong about that for a few seasons but it was not sustainable and that turned out to be true. Same thing will happen to Lamar Jackson.
Both players won MVP.
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I can only judge someone based on what is reported it’s a stupid question. It’s not like I know the guy personally.
Cam Newton had a nice run for a few years. Now he’s beat up and looking for a starting QB gig at the age of 30. I didn’t think he’d be a good quarterback in this league and I was wrong about that for a few seasons but it was not sustainable and that turned out to be true. Same thing will happen to Lamar Jackson.
Yeah I know Andrew Thomas personally
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Andrew Thomas definitely smokes a shitton of weed
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Do we even know it was weed? I mean, odds are it is, but it could have been a PED.
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Andrew Thomas definitely smokes a shitton of weed
A shitton actually sounds and looks like a measurement of size
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Andrew Thomas definitely smokes a shitton of weed
87% of black people smoke weed so yeah probably
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Salguero reports that Detroit are making plans for what to do with the 5th pick.
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OK this one's a doozy.
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1253353941179478019
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OK this one's a doozy.
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1253353941179478019
If Bengals think he's the guy, they don't take anything for him. If they aren't sold, why not. Their fanbase will hang themselves if they bail on Burrow after all these months of knowing he's the guy.
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rumors picking up that giants are going OT at 4
knowing gettleman's MO, he literally does sus excrement to spite everybody for no damn reason, just so he can tell everybody how smart he is afterwards and how stupid everybody else was for thinking the giants would do differently.
so if they're saying OT, i don't think it'll be OT. he'll do something strange like pick a DT nobody was expecting or Ceedee Lamb at 4
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He should pick Isaiah Simmons or Mekhi Becton
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OK this one's a doozy.
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1253353941179478019
If this was doable, it'd be done by now.
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Over the last couple of weeks, the Dolphins called the Bengals on more than one occasion to see if Cincinatti would be willing to trade the No. 1 overall pick. The Dolphins were told, in no uncertain terms, no. Cincinnati would not trade the pick and would stay put at No. 1.
Schefter
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If this was doable, it'd be done by now.
Miami would have to open up the checkbook, probably giving detroit 3 1's for #3, and then #3, #5 and the last #1 next year for Burrow.
If I was Cincy, I would rather have all 5 #1's if i was gonna move off burrow
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Rumours of Trent to Minnesota for a late pick. That doesn't help us at all.
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Rumours of Trent to Minnesota for a late pick. That doesn't help us at all.
I guess it won't include a new deal for him. Vikings have about $12 mil in space not including draft class. I guess they could.
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Rumours of Trent to Minnesota for a late pick. That doesn't help us at all.
yeah...i don't like that.
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I'll be curious what he ends up going for
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Not a rumor. Todd McShay has Covid, and won't be working the draft.
https://twitter.com/McShay13/status/1253373371854786561/photo/1
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yeah...i don't like that.
It is still just a rumour from the internet, there are also still rumours of him going to Cleveland which would be better. They also have the money with which to pay him.
In other rumours, apparently Mortensen heard that Kyler Murray has been lobbying hard for Arizona to take Ceedee Lamb. Have to think that if they are willing to do that then they'll entertain a trade down as he's likely to be available in the low-mid teens - don't need to use #8 for that.
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It is still just a rumour from the internet, there are also still rumours of him going to Cleveland which would be better. They also have the money with which to pay him.
In other rumours, apparently Mortensen heard that Kyler Murray has been lobbying hard for Arizona to take Ceedee Lamb. Have to think that if they are willing to do that then they'll entertain a trade down as he's likely to be available in the low-mid teens - don't need to use #8 for that.
Would be nice if they did.
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Have to think that if they are willing to do that then they'll entertain a trade down as he's likely to be available in the low-mid teens - don't need to use #8 for that.
The Jets or Raiders could definitely take Lamb at 11
They'll have to take him at 8 if they want him.
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Would be nice if they did.
I don’t think they can trade beyond 11 and guarantee they get Lamb. I don’t see Jax, Browns or Us moving up. So if they want Lamb they probably have to sit and pick
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The Jets or Raiders could definitely take Lamb at 11
They'll have to take him at 8 if they want him.
Agreed, that’s a best case situation for us.
1. Not a tackle
2. Removes a trade partner who could take an OT
3. One less opportunity for Denver, Atlanta or TB to move up, meaning one might be a trade partner for us if we want it
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Manish stirring up excrement
“Jets Fans.... Andre Dillard is pretty good...”
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A bunch of unsubstantiated rumors all over Twitter, but one framework is:
Jets Receive: Dillard and 21st Overall Pick
Eagles Receive: 11th Overall Pick
Discuss
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A bunch of unsubstantiated rumors all over Twitter, but one framework is:
Jets Receive: Dillard and 21st Overall Pick
Eagles Receive: 11th Overall Pick
Discuss
I'm not going to pretend to know how good Dillard is. If douglas thinks hes good I trust him and would be okay with the trade
That said I cant see this happening after losing their starting lt and their swing tackle
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I'm not going to pretend to know how good Dillard is. If douglas thinks hes good I trust him and would be okay with the trade
That's my gut. Presumably Douglas was involved with scouting him for Philly and watched his first two years as a pro, so knows his character. A first round starting calibre tackle in exchange for dropping ten spots sounds like a decent deal; it's basically like adding an extra pick. My only concern is why Philly are so willing to let him leave given Peters has gone.
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Or it Manish being a douche and saying that Doug drafted Dillard so he has good taste.
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Throw in Rasul Douglas too.
Lets try to get three starters out of this trade.
OT: Andre Dillard
CB: Rasul Douglas
Whoever we pick at 21
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A bunch of unsubstantiated rumors all over Twitter, but one framework is:
Jets Receive: Dillard and 21st Overall Pick
Eagles Receive: 11th Overall Pick
Discuss
his playing time was sprinkled throughout the season when starters like peters were out with injury
it depends on how JD views him and whether he thinks he's a viable starter at either LT or RT, where he got playing time at both positions last year
if he does then it would be one way to get an OT and a WR/OL double dip at 21 all from the 11th pick
again i'm not the best with OL prospects but i feel like any of the big 4 OT prospects this year were probably better prospects than dillard was one year ago
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A bunch of unsubstantiated rumors all over Twitter, but one framework is:
Jets Receive: Dillard and 21st Overall Pick
Eagles Receive: 11th Overall Pick
Discuss
I saw Rasul Douglas rumors. I think a lot of it is people just trying to make a trade between the Eagles and the Jets, but it would make a lot of sense. Joe D obviously has guys in Philly that he helped acquire, and he might value some of those guys more than Howie Roseman.
Apparently Manish just tweeted a random picture of Andre Dillard saying, "Jets fans....Andre Dillard is pretty good."
I don't know how good Dillard is. In theory, getting a 24-year old former 1st-round pick to fill in at OT and still getting a chance to address WR or IOL or CB or EDGE in the late 1st round sounds great on paper. But I really don't know if Dillard is good enough to be worth that.
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I wouldn't trust the quality of a first rounder a team would be willing to dump after one season.
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Just stay at 11.
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I honestly have no idea who Andre Dillard is
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I wouldn't trust the quality of a first rounder a team would be willing to dump after one season.
If the tackles are gone, trade back and take Andre Dillard from them. Most likely a quality starter like Rasul Douglas or a few mid-round picks.
Use 21 on Cesar Ruiz.
PROFIT
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If the tackles are gone, trade back and take Andre Dillard from them. Most likely a quality starter like Rasul Douglas or a few mid-round picks.
Use 21 on Cesar Ruiz.
PROFIT
If the tackles are gone, then I think a Dillard move all of a sudden makes a ton of sense. I don't know why Philly would do it though, unless they are really down on him.
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If the tackles are gone, then I think a Dillard move all of a sudden makes a ton of sense. I don't know why Philly would do it though, unless they are really down on him.
Because they desperately need help at receiver and can bring back Jason Peters as a stopgap.
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Dick Chimney is saying the rumour is Douglas + 21 + picks for 11. No Dillard. To which I say freak you Philly, freak you Howie and freak you Dick.
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"picks" better mean the 21st and their second at the minimum.
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Dick Chimney is saying the rumour is Douglas + 21 + picks for 11. No Dillard. To which I say freak you Philly, freak you Howie and freak you Dick.
Roseman can shove that deal up his derriere
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I hope to god that our pick creates a bidding war. Those proposed deals aren’t great. We need to drive up the price
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Dick Chimney is saying the rumour is Douglas + 21 + picks for 11. No Dillard. To which I say freak you Philly, freak you Howie and freak you Dick.
Jimmy Johnson trade value chart would have a 1 and a 2 from the Eagles be 80 points less than the Jets pick, which would mean Douglas has the value of a 4th-round pick (107th overall). That is probably a little bit high, but if all four tackles are gone, this isn't the worst idea. If they gave their 1, 2 and a 5 with Douglas, that's probably a fair deal for both sides.
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Manish says Henry Anderson and Avery Williamson are both on the market.
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Jimmy Johnson trade value chart would have a 1 and a 2 from the Eagles be 80 points less than the Jets pick, which would mean Douglas has the value of a 4th-round pick (107th overall). That is probably a little bit high, but if all four tackles are gone, this isn't the worst idea. If they gave their 1, 2 and a 5 with Douglas, that's probably a fair deal for both sides.
Still don't want it.
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Manish says Henry Anderson and Avery Williamson are both on the market.
Happy to use either or both of them for more picks or a trade up. Both good players, wish them both well, both worth more on the market than on our roster.
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Manish says Henry Anderson and Avery Williamson are both on the market.
this would probably come into play on Day 3
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Because they desperately need help at receiver and can bring back Jason Peters as a stopgap.
It’s still completely asinine of them if they think Dillard has ANY chance to be a long term LT for them.
I’d want 21, Dillard, Douglas and 88.
Our value is 1250 for 11. 21 and 88 is 888 points, meaning we would value the combo of Douglas and Dillard at 362 points, or roughly pick 53 (Phillys second rounder), so I think I’d probably want a 4th to go with it.
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this would probably come into play on Day 3
I’m sure winters is on the market as well....
I just don’t think anybody will bite. Williamson has the most value as a player IMO but the injury will scare teams off.
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I’m sure winters is on the market as well....
I just don’t think anybody will bite. Williamson has the most value as a player IMO but the injury will scare teams off.
Even if someone bites...it won't be for anything more than a 4th round pick.
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I mean, we traded a 7th for Henry once. We can trade Avery or Henry for a 7th now. Or more likely, we can swap one for a CB or IOL.
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Nfl.com reporting the Jets are interested in trading up as well.
Hopefully this is the typical bullshit and we don't get desperate pursuing a LT
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Even if someone bites...it won't be for anything more than a 4th round pick.
I think your sights are high. I’d be thrilled with a 5th for any of them I expect a 6 at best unless it’s a conditional deal for next year
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I think your sights are high. I’d be thrilled with a 5th for any of them I expect a 6 at best unless it’s a conditional deal for next year
If you read the post, you’d notice I said the best we could do is a 4th...not “hey, getting a 4th for sure”
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Nfl.com reporting the Jets are interested in trading up as well.
Hopefully this is the typical bullshit and we don't get desperate pursuing a LT
I've been worried for a while all four tackles wouldn't be there, and the closer you get to draft day, the more realistic that seems unfortunately. While this team has needs across the board, you can argue that protecting Sam at all costs is worth it.
I don't want to give up draft capital. But I also don't want to be stuck at 11 taking a WR or CB.
I still think I would prefer to trade down than trade up, but there's a pretty big gap between the big four and everyone else.
However, it would suck if we gave up a 3rd-round pick just so we could take Douglas' preferred tackle when we had an option at 11. I don't want to give up a 3rd-rounder for Wirfs/Wills if Becton/Thomas is there at 11, for example.
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I'm sure they have trade arrangements already planned. Sit tight. If they are getting near 8 and tackles are flying off the board, move up. If not, stay at 11.
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No trade ups...stay the course
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Stay put or move back, Draft multiple players in a very strong OL and WR class, our biggest needs to develop our franchise QB.
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As long as we don't dip into next year's draft... just get me a freaking lineman.
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I think the issue with trading up is wed be freaking ourselves in drafting a wideout in a great draft for it
Unless we somehow manage to trade up only giving up our 1st plus a player (cough cough Le'Veon Bell)
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I'm sure they have trade arrangements already planned. Sit tight. If they are getting near 8 and tackles are flying off the board, move up. If not, stay at 11.
I've been thinking a lot about this today. They've probably gameplanned several trade-ups/trade-downs and contingency plans. I'm sure at the least one of these permutations, if all 4 OTs are gone by 11, includes trading for trent williams
if all 4 OTs are gone by 11 at that point i honestly wouldn't mind sending one of our 3rds for williams
in sum, i just really hope by the end of tonight we have a tangible prospect or starter in place for one of the OT spots next year
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I gave up on any draft rumors a few days ago. It's like the MSM these days; a large majority of it is bullsh*t.
Lets just get to the freaking draft already.
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I've been thinking a lot about this today. They've probably gameplanned several trade-ups/trade-downs and contingency plans. I'm sure at the least one of these permutations, if all 4 OTs are gone by 11, includes trading for trent williams
if all 4 OTs are gone by 11 at that point i honestly wouldn't mind sending one of our 3rds for williams
in sum, i just really hope by the end of tonight we have a tangible prospect or starter in place for one of the OT spots next year
I think they are out on Trent unless its a low pick with no new contract for a 1 year rental. They'd be foolish to entertain signing him to a new deal.
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Darren Rovell @darrenrovell
The most intriguing bet of the draft was just placed.
A like “what does this dude know?” bet.
Someone just bet $3,000 at @BetMGM for the Miami Dolphins to take Utah State QB Jordan Love.
Would profit $36,000.
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Darren Rovell @darrenrovell
The most intriguing bet of the draft was just placed.
A like “what does this dude know?” bet.
Someone just bet $3,000 at @BetMGM for the Miami Dolphins to take Utah State QB Jordan Love.
Would profit $36,000.
I’d bet the odds on Love at 5 are astronomical
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I’d bet the odds on Love at 5 are astronomical
It didn't say at 5. He'll probably be available at 26 and definitely at 18.
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It didn't say at 5. He'll probably be available at 26 and definitely at 18.
I don't know man, if the top three are off the board in the top ten, he won't last much longer.
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I don't know man, if the top three are off the board in the top ten, he won't last much longer.
To who? There isn't a team picking from 11 to 17 who has any interest in a QB in the first round. You think someone's making an expensive trade up for Jordan Love after presumably the Bengals, Panthers and Jags have each taken one?
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You think someone's making an expensive trade up for Jordan Love after presumably the Bengals, Panthers and Jags have each taken one?
Sure, it happens every year. Especially after a few seasons of every GM in the NFL kicking themselves for passing on physically gifted but raw guys like Mahomes and Jackson.
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I wonder how many of these prospects have Covid19
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Sure, it happens every year. Especially after a few seasons of every GM in the NFL kicking themselves for passing on physically gifted but raw guys like Mahomes and Jackson.
Eh, maybe. I'm not convinced, but I'd love to see a run on QBs in the top 10.
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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Bengals owner Mike Brown sent Joe Burrow a letter and No. 9 jerseys Wednesday, confirming Burrow will be the No. 1 overall pick in Thursday night's draft.
COVID-19 can't stop Scheft from spoilin those picks baby
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Looks like 1 and 2 are not trading.
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COVID-19 can't stop Scheft from spoilin those picks baby
No pick tippin' up in here bitches.
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https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1253735544963633154?s=21
Some buzz on Round 2:
— Among the players the #Bengals like at No. 33 are Ross Blocklock & Denzel Mims.
— #Colts (34) & #Dolphins (39) open to moving out.
— #Saints (CB? LB?), #Jets (CB?), #Jaguars (OT?), #Falcons among the teams who have made calls to move up.
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Higgins plz
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49ers coach Kyle Shanahan asked on going to Alabama Pro Day tomorrow, and not North Dakota State or BYU, says it was important for the team not to tip its hand before the trade was done.
"Now that you're up at 3, you don't have to hide as much."
1) Lawrence
2) Wilson
3) Jones
4) Fields/Lance?
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49ers coach Kyle Shanahan asked on going to Alabama Pro Day tomorrow, and not North Dakota State or BYU, says it was important for the team not to tip its hand before the trade was done.
"Now that you're up at 3, you don't have to hide as much."
1) Lawrence
2) Wilson
3) Jones
4) Fields/Lance?
Well that doesn’t mean Jones is his guy, the NDSt and BYU pro days are already passed. I’d think at this point is full QB evaluation time for them to make sure they’ve got the right guy. If I were a betting man I’d go with Lance
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What are the chances the 49ers take Pitts at 3 instead of a QB? He would certainly be a better player than any QB they get at 3. Maybe they stick with Crappolo and go for it this year.
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What are the chances the 49ers take Pitts at 3 instead of a QB? He would certainly be a better player than any QB they get at 3. Maybe they stick with Crappolo and go for it this year.
they didn't trade 3 first round picks to move up for a TE
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I can't decide if Bo needs to drink less, or drink more.
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I can't decide if Bo needs to drink less, or drink more.
I'm off work today, too much time to think. I shouldn't be allowed to think.
(https://i.imgflip.com/4bozjk.gif)
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I'm off work today
We have our answer. Get to the beer, my friend.
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What are the chances the 49ers take Pitts at 3 instead of a QB? He would certainly be a better player than any QB they get at 3. Maybe they stick with Crappolo and go for it this year.
If they were at 3 on their own, this logic could make sense but given the trade there’s no chance.
This reminds me of the guys that were saying the Jets were a lock to take Saquon at 3 after the trade up a month early.
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The #Dolphins have already made two moves in the NFL Draft and they may not be done yet: Sources say they’ve received calls from teams looking to trade up to No. 6 and it is something they’re considering. Lot of things in play, but Miami could be at it again.
Rap
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Rap
So basically if Pitts is gone and somebody wants the last QB they will gladly trade out for a premium again
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It will come as a surprise to no one, but the New York Jets will look to address the cornerback and receiver positions early in the draft. From what’s coming out of Florham Park, the feeling is the Jets won’t use their second first-round pick on a cornerback, but rather wait until Day 2.
Pauline
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Multi-purpose weapon Ben Mason of Michigan is an under-the-radar prospect getting rave reviews. The sometimes fullback, sometimes H-back, sometimes tight end is another player who can squeeze every ounce of talent from his body. He’s a terrific blocker and a sensational pass catcher out of the backfield. Mason also does a solid job carrying the ball when called upon.
These are skills Mason showed off during his career at Michigan and, more importantly, duplicated on a grander scale during Senior Bowl practices. Scouts didn’t grade Mason coming into the season, but he’s now a lock Day 3 selection.
Many teams are, but keep this in mind: Mason is drawing a lot of comparisons to Kyle Juszczyk, the nine-year veteran out of Harvard and five-time Pro Bowl selection who recently signed a five-year contract with the San Francisco 49ers.
More and more people tell me Mason is a natural fit for the New York Jets. They will be running an offense similar to the one used in San Francisco. Expectations are that Gang Green looks Mason’s way in the middle of Day 3.
Pauline
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a sensational pass catcher out of the backfield
Mason had three career receptions
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Tony, tell me a player is white without saying he's white
another player who can squeeze every ounce of talent from his body.
Mason is drawing a lot of comparisons to Kyle Juszczyk
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I just want to know who compared him to Juszcyk
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Mason is drawing comparisons to the only notable fullback in the NFL.
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https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1386742125228855297?s=21
How is this not the Jets
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I just want to know who compared him to Juszcyk
https://twitter.com/jcaporoso/status/1386744440426008584?s=21
lololol
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Mods please change thread title to Draft Whispers thx.
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https://twitter.com/chaIkbored/status/1386784809888849923?s=20
this is THE best football Twitter account to follow
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https://twitter.com/chaIkbored/status/1386784809888849923?s=20
this is THE best football Twitter account to follow
lol @ all the SF fans moaning in the replies about not being sure who the pick is
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Panthers GM told Darnold there’s a possibility they take a QB
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Panthers GM told Darnold there’s a possibility they take a QB
They absolutely should if they like one enough
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They absolutely should if they like one enough
100% agree
Jets Twitter will be hilarious if they end up with Darnold and Fields
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100% agree
Jets Twitter will be hilarious if they end up with Darnold and Fields
Hopefully Phil Russomanno and SpyroKush become Panthers fans
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I hope Sam does well in Carolina, but he's not a Jet anymore so on to the next one.
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I hope Sam does well in Carolina, but he's not a Jet anymore so on to the next one.
I hope Carolina is terrible because I want better draft picks
And now that we have Robert Saleh, I hope that Joe Brady sucks
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I hope Carolina is terrible because I want better draft picks
There's that point.
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I hope Carolina is terrible because I want better draft picks
And now that we have Robert Saleh, I hope that Joe Brady sucks
I hope Seattle crashes and burns too.
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I hope Seattle crashes and burns too.
Trade Russ.
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Tony Pauline says the Bengals are going to draft Ja'Marr Chase because they are mad at AJ Green.
SOURCES BABY!
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https://twitter.com/adamhbeasley/status/1387063735991275523?s=10
No
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https://twitter.com/adamhbeasley/status/1387063735991275523?s=10
No
I mean, it's pretty clear they're taking the leftovers of Sewell and Chase.
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Rumors of Pats trading Gilmore to move up from 15.
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Rumors of Pats trading Gilmore to move up from 15.
did he try to stab someone with his skate again?
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Gilmore stinks now
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Gilmore stinks now
He'd be CB1 on our team
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He'd be CB1 on our team
ok
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ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Lions tried to trade up to the fourth pick in the NFL Draft in pursuit of LSU's Ja'Marr Chase.
The Falcons' asking price for the fourth pick was too high, according to Fowler. This would confirm that the Bengals -- picking fifth -- will likely select Chase in Thursday's first round. Lions general manager Brad Holmes could still draft a high-end wide receiver prospect with the seventh pick -- perhaps Jaylen Waddle or DeVonta Smith. Any first round wideout who lands in Detroit would instantly become the team's No. 1 receiver and could fall into massive target volume with little competition for looks.
Good, let those linemen fall.
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RIP Burrow
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Good, let those linemen fall.
I'd love to see Atlanta go QB. To me if they are unwilling to move off of 4 without a major haul, it's because they are taking a QB.
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I'd love to see Atlanta go QB. To me if they are unwilling to move off of 4 without a major haul, it's because they are taking a QB.
I want Pitts and Chase off the board before Miami's pick
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I want Pitts and Chase off the board before Miami's pick
I have accepted they will likely get one of them. But I'm still hoping Miami opts for the top defender on their board, which I'm hoping like hell is Micah Parsons
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I have accepted they will likely get one of them. But I'm still hoping Miami opts for the top defender on their board, which I'm hoping like hell is Micah Parsons
Micah Parsons is 2021's most boring 1st rounder.
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Micah Parsons is 2021's most boring 1st rounder.
Which is why he should go #6 to Miami followed by Javonte williams at 18
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I have accepted they will likely get one of them. But I'm still hoping Miami opts for the top defender on their board, which I'm hoping like hell is Micah Parsons
What if he stabs Zach though?
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https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1387440784803258369?s=20
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Interesting that 4 is accounted for but not 3.
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lol @ all the SF fans moaning in the replies about not being sure who the pick is
Checked this out in public
Thanks guys
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Micah Parsons is 2021's most boring 1st rounder.
He held a knife to a teammate's throat.
CULTURE CHANGER
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He held a knife to a teammate's throat.
CULTURE CHANGER
Hes on the cutting edge of where this game is headed
Cut throat mentality when holding teammates accountable
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/28/report-patriots-talked-to-falcons-about-trading-up-to-no-4-likely-to-draft-justin-fields/
(https://i.imgur.com/EG6r7Oc.gif?noredirect)
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Trade everything Bill
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Trade everything Bill
He'll probably fleece the Falcons knowing our luck.
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He'd be CB1 on our team
That just means our CB1 would stink.
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https://twitter.com/daleearnold/status/1387549337471815694?s=21
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https://twitter.com/daleearnold/status/1387549337471815694?s=21
Hopefully they trade a bunch of for Crapollo and still move up for Fields.
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https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1387588781839110155?s=21
Gross to the middle prt
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https://twitter.com/connorjrogers/status/1387588781839110155?s=21
Gross to the middle prt
I won't be thrilled if the Jets continue to ignore the offense and keep adding to the defense. I don't really care what "value" is there.
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https://twitter.com/Bill_Michaels/status/1387781771551465475?s=19
Lol
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I won't be thrilled if the Jets continue to ignore the offense and keep adding to the defense. I don't really care what "value" is there.
NOGAF if the defense gives up 30 next year if the trade-off is that Zach is properly nurtured along and protected/provided weapons to assist in his development.
Thats it, that has to be the first, second and third priority.
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NOGAF if the defense gives up 30 next year if the trade-off is that Zach is properly nurtured along and protected/provided weapons to assist in his development.
Thats it, that has to be the first, second and third priority.
100%
Can’t repeat the previous regimes mistakes
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Jay Glazer
@JayGlazer
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42s
Saints trying to move alllll the way up into Top 10.
o rly
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Jay Glazer
@JayGlazer
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42s
Saints trying to move alllll the way up into Top 10.
o rly
For a corner?
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Jay Glazer
@JayGlazer
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42s
Saints trying to move alllll the way up into Top 10.
o rly
Gotta be for a QB right
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Gotta be for a QB right
I don't think so
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Gotta be for a QB right
Orlovsky thinks it could be for Mac Jones if SF passes on him.
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Wasn't this right around the time we heard that the Falcons were trying to move up for Julio Jones all those years ago? Wasn't that jump 27 to 4?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1387795364674252803?s=21
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https://mobile.twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1387795364674252803?s=21
<3 Joe Douglas
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Wasn't this right around the time we heard that the Falcons were trying to move up for Julio Jones all those years ago? Wasn't that jump 27 to 4?
Think they jumped to 6... Looking back, they won that trade in a landslide.
Sparks the thought of trading up for Chase or Smith.
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Think they jumped to 6... Looking back, they won that trade in a landslide.
Sparks the thought of trading up for Chase or Smith.
For Chase yes, for Smith I'd have to feel really good about the price we pay to be on board.
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Patriots doing their homework on second-tier QBs Davis Mills, Kellen Mond, Kyle Trask
Goooood.
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Think they jumped to 6... Looking back, they won that trade in a landslide.
Sparks the thought of trading up for Chase or Smith.
I wouldn't hesitate to go get Chase at 7-8-9 if he were available. I'd give up 34 and a 4 next year without blinking.
Heck I might give up the lower #1 next year if it meant I could keep 34. Won't happen either way of course, but still I would.
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Patriots doing their homework on second-tier QBs Davis Mills, Kellen Mond, Kyle Trask
Goooood.
No, I want them to mortgage their future for Justin Fields
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https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1496233213416689669?s=21
I have Doug Rush muted but someone sent me this
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https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/1496233213416689669?s=21
I have Doug Rush muted but someone sent me this
He can drop all the way to 10
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He can drop all the way to 10
Dare we start hoping for this?
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Dare we start hoping for this?
hoping and expecting thibodeaux to fall to 10 is like the anti-response to how dejected smalls felt when we beat the jaguars and could no longer draft thibodeaux
it's still early, it's still smokescreen season, we haven't even had pro days yet. he's going to run out there in shorts and these losers are going to watch his bare funbags and fall in love again
if there was a way to put big money down on him not falling past the top 7, i would.
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"Word is the Jets like Hamilton a lot."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33348610/nfl-draft-2022-answering-18-questions-nine-most-interesting-teams-top-picks-including-jaguars-lions-texans
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"Word is the Jets like Hamilton a lot."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33348610/nfl-draft-2022-answering-18-questions-nine-most-interesting-teams-top-picks-including-jaguars-lions-texans
rich cimini's 'word', from one of our 'beat' writers when our beat writers have been notorious for not having anything tangible on the actual pulse of the team they've been paid to cover the past two years due to the douglas FO casting them out for the losers they are
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"Word is the Jets like Hamilton a lot."
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/33348610/nfl-draft-2022-answering-18-questions-nine-most-interesting-teams-top-picks-including-jaguars-lions-texans
soxxxx is more reliable than Dong Cimini
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I refuse to set myself up for disappointment by convincing myself the Jets will or won't do something with their top picks. Hamilton could easily be in play whether or not we prefer him.
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I'm just going to set myself up for disappointment by assuming that the Jets will take Hamilton at 4.
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I'm just going to set myself up for disappointment by assuming that the Jets will take Hamilton at 4.
Ham/Sting 2022
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I refuse to set myself up for disappointment by convincing myself the Jets will or won't do something with their top picks. Hamilton could easily be in play whether or not we prefer him.
i get this but i think douglas' choice to deal adams when most/all of us were against it shows a lot about what he feels about having a luxury/elite player at safety. he obviously will try to get a good player at every position, but at what cost. it wasn't the theatrics/how annoying adams was that made him not want to give him a monster contract.
hamilton would of course be playing on a rookie contract so that aspect of it would not be a factor, but you have to wonder whether douglas would want to expend a premium #4 pick on a player like that when he wouldn't even give that type of guy a second contract when we had that guy on the team already (i get jamal's been exposed after the trade and that hamilton likely profiles as a better all-around safety, but we can't deny jamal was very good for us when he was here).
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i get this but i think douglas' choice to deal adams when most/all of us were against it shows a lot about what he feels about having a luxury/elite player at safety. he obviously will try to get a good player at every position, but at what cost. it wasn't the theatrics/how annoying adams was that made him not want to give him a monster contract.
hamilton would of course be playing on a rookie contract so that aspect of it would not be a factor, but you have to wonder whether douglas would want to expend a premium #4 pick on a player like that when he wouldn't even give that type of guy a second contract when we had that guy on the team already (i get jamal's been exposed after the trade and that hamilton likely profiles as a better all-around safety, but we can't deny jamal was very good for us when he was here).
My opinion is that at this point any elite talent on a dog-crap-awful defense is closer to a necessity than a luxury. Hamilton, if JD is indeed interested in him, is an elite talent. Jets fans hesitance with him seems to be mostly about the bitter taste of Adams, I get it. But when Adams was here, he was legit our best player. He wore out his welcome by being a me-first, phony-leader douchebag.
Hamilton, by all current evidence, is not the same a-hole as Jamal. Unlike Jamal, he would potentially be the best coverage player in our secondary, and the best Will LB, along with obvs being the best safety (as he is the best S prospect since Sean Taylor, make no mistake). Not far-fetched to think of Saleh drooling over the jumpstart KH would provide this defense.
My main issue, as others have stated, is that getting a top-flight CB, WR, OT with a high, premium draft pick makes more sense financially/cap-wise. This year's free agent S crop looks excellent. To spend on an excellent FA safety is cheaper than a top FA WR or CB, clearly, so it's nice to get a top prospect at those latter positions on cheap rookie contracts via draft.
I guess this is a long way of saying I'd be fine with Hamilton at 4 (yes I'd prefer Kayvon) and Id trust JD and Salad. He would instantly change the face of our defense, at least as dramatically as Jamal did.
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Ham/Sting 2022
Waiting for them to get injured at the same time for the forced puns.
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Hamilton, by all current evidence, is not the same a-hole as Jamal.
So he's a different A-Hole?
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So he's a different A-Hole?
all in all i agree with the rationale and sentiments behind gorilla's post, but that's the one point i felt wary of.
too early to tell what these guys will be like as players/'leaders' in the nfl
jamal was touted as a very good leader / locker - room type guy coming out of college who was going to build a winning culture with the the team that ends up drafting him. many thought we got 'the best' guy in the draft at #6
as stated i can see scenarios as to why we'd draft a guy like hamilton and why we wouldn't. if it was up to me, i wouldn't. id much rather use it for an offensive piece/protection for zach when he's what this entire project is being built around, or a true pass rushing threat at DE which is the 2nd most important position after QB, and something we've been lacking since 2005.
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too early to tell what these guys will be like as players/'leaders' in the nfl
jamal was touted as a very good leader / locker - room type guy coming out of college who was going to build a winning culture with the the team that ends up drafting him. many thought we got 'the best' guy in the draft at #6
I guess the closest thing we had to a red flag with Adams was his "big personality" which isn't inherently bad. FWIW it doesn't seem like Hamilton is in the same mold, at least not from a surface level look. I don't want to expend a ton of energy thinking about intangibles that can't really be predicted.
We probably should have chilled with the whole "winning culture" thing especially when the guy came from a school that gets 5 star recruits funneled into it every year. Different story in the NFL.
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My opinion is that at this point any elite talent on a dog-crap-awful defense is closer to a necessity than a luxury. Hamilton, if JD is indeed interested in him, is an elite talent. Jets fans hesitance with him seems to be mostly about the bitter taste of Adams, I get it. But when Adams was here, he was legit our best player. He wore out his welcome by being a me-first, phony-leader douchebag.
Hamilton, by all current evidence, is not the same a-hole as Jamal. Unlike Jamal, he would potentially be the best coverage player in our secondary, and the best Will LB, along with obvs being the best safety (as he is the best S prospect since Sean Taylor, make no mistake). Not far-fetched to think of Saleh drooling over the jumpstart KH would provide this defense.
My main issue, as others have stated, is that getting a top-flight CB, WR, OT with a high, premium draft pick makes more sense financially/cap-wise. This year's free agent S crop looks excellent. To spend on an excellent FA safety is cheaper than a top FA WR or CB, clearly, so it's nice to get a top prospect at those latter positions on cheap rookie contracts via draft.
I guess this is a long way of saying I'd be fine with Hamilton at 4 (yes I'd prefer Kayvon) and Id trust JD and Salad. He would instantly change the face of our defense, at least as dramatically as Jamal did.
Good post. Not my first choice at 4, but if JD and Saleh are that high on Hamilton, I would be OK with it. We can do a lot of different things with him on defense. If they think Hamilton is that Hall of Fame prospect, then I can support that, especially if FA goes a certain way.
We've already seen us want to move bigger safeties to linebacker. Saleh can be creative with Hamilton if we get him.
But yes, salary cap wise, getting the premium player at a premium position is ideal, and it's why ultimately I prefer getting an OL or EDGE with that pick.
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Kyle Hamilton is a really good prospect. I think everyone agrees there. Will he tangibly improve our defense? Idk. Our run defense was so bad last year.
Adams played great his first few years here and our defense still stunk. Maye was pretty damn good too. Derwin James is the best safety in the NFL and you can barely tell the effect he has on the Chargers D wether he’s on or off the field. It stinks either way. I don’t want to build the team via safety again.
Obviously there’s a lot more chips we have this offseason, but I would much rather draft one of the top EDGEs, a blocker or a weapon for Zach with the 4th pick. I can totally live with signing a decent safety in FA.
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Kyle Hamilton is a really good prospect. I think everyone agrees there. Will he tangibly improve our defense? Idk. Our run defense was so bad last year.
Adams played great his first few years here and our defense still stunk. Maye was pretty damn good too. Derwin James is the best safety in the NFL and you can barely tell the effect he has on the Chargers D wether he’s on or off the field. It stinks either way. I don’t want to build the team via safety again.
Obviously there’s a lot more chips we have this offseason, but I would much rather draft one of the top EDGEs, a blocker or a weapon for Zach with the 4th pick. I can totally live with signing a decent safety in FA.
It doesn't sound to me like Saleh values the secondary as much as the front. He wants to have a dominant pass rush to help his secondary. He doesn't want to build it in reverse.
Obviously, we're getting Carl Lawson back and we just paid JFM, but if we can get a scheme versatile player like Travon Walker, we'd then be ready to build the secondary.
Lawson - Williams - JFM - Walker
Walker and JFM can both play inside and out. We'd be able to push the pocket consistently and keep blockers off of our linebackers (who still stink btw).
Does Joe Douglas have the corners (specifically Sauce Gardner) ranked higher than EDGE3 and S1? He might. He can solve this problem by signing starters at CB and S in free agency.
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I'm just glad the Combine will give us some new datapoints to talk about. We've been talking about the same few guys for so long with nothing really changing. The Combine will make some guys stand out more or less. Maybe Karlaftis blows up. Maybe Walker blows up. Maybe Thibodeaux goes full Jachai Polite.
Then free agency will provide more clarity on what we actually need. Part of the appeal of Hamilton is our lack of quality safeties. Maybe we address that in FA and then the Hamilton talk goes away. Or maybe we acquire a good vet WR and all of a sudden, WR at 10 seems like overkill.
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I just want Sauce to run in the 4.3s
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It doesn't sound to me like Saleh values the secondary as much as the front. He wants to have a dominant pass rush to help his secondary. He doesn't want to build it in reverse.
Obviously, we're getting Carl Lawson back and we just paid JFM, but if we can get a scheme versatile player like Travon Walker, we'd then be ready to build the secondary.
Lawson - Williams - JFM - Walker
Walker and JFM can both play inside and out. We'd be able to push the pocket consistently and keep blockers off of our linebackers (who still stink btw).
Does Joe Douglas have the corners (specifically Sauce Gardner) ranked higher than EDGE3 and S1? He might. He can solve this problem by signing starters at CB and S in free agency.
I want JD to buy a secondary this offseason. Go get me JC Jackson and Justin Reid or Marcus Williams and Carlton Davis. Then we go get our edge at 4. If Sauce falls to 10 that would still be pretty damn enticing, but there I want to get back from 10 pretty badly and try and snag Nakobe Dean (if we go defense) or go grab a player on offense for Zach
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https://twitter.com/jordan_reid/status/1500529158950170630?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jordan_reid/status/1500529158950170630?s=21
I think Reid has Hamilton as his top overall player in the draft, so that makes sense from his perspective. Cimini also said the Jets like Hamilton.
If we had the 5th pick, and the top 2 edges and the top 2 OL were gone, I would like Hamilton a lot more. But being able to get Neal/Ekwonu/Thibs/Hutch makes a safety a lot less appealing.
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I think Reid has Hamilton as his top overall player in the draft, so that makes sense from his perspective. Cimini also said the Jets like Hamilton.
If we had the 5th pick, and the top 2 edges and the top 2 OL were gone, I would like Hamilton a lot more. But being able to get Neal/Ekwonu/Thibs/Hutch makes a safety a lot less appealing.
Even then I would still take Sauce over him in that scenario, same with Travon Walker
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Galaxy brain time: Hutch going #1 isn't the worst thing because Thibodeaux could still fall to us. But if Thibodeaux were to go #1, 0 chance Hutch makes it to us.
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Galaxy brain time: Hutch going #1 isn't the worst thing because Thibodeaux could still fall to us. But if Thibodeaux were to go #1, 0 chance Hutch makes it to us.
The problem is no one has any idea what the hell Houston wants to do. Hopefully they are just in love with the unicorn Kyle Hamilton. With luck they lose Justin Reid and are still looking for his replacement on draft day
Detroit is obviously expected to love Hutchinson. If he goes 1, what is their backup plan? Edge 2? OL? I have to imagine Campbell loves him some Ekwonu. Aside from Penning, I can’t think of anyone else more likely to match his bite kneecaps philosophy.
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Galaxy brain time: Hutch going #1 isn't the worst thing because Thibodeaux could still fall to us. But if Thibodeaux were to go #1, 0 chance Hutch makes it to us.
That's OK because we'd get Travon Walker
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That's OK because we'd get Travon Walker
Is there any universe where they go 1-2-3?
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Is there any universe where they go 1-2-3?
I'm AOK with Ekwonu.
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I'm AOK with Ekwonu.
Even if we sign say Laken Tomlinson next week?
For me I think Sauce would likely be the pick at 4. I want all of Zion Johnson in the early 30s. I think he’s both OC 2 and OG 2.
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"Texans to build around Davis Mills"
https://mobile.twitter.com/nfl_dovkleiman/status/1504923344881127425
-Take it at face value? Or smokescreen?
-With Tunsil at LT what's the chance they take Neal or Ekwonu to play RT? Is Charlie Heck any good?
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"Texans to build around Davis Mills"
I don't see why they shouldn't. He outplayed most of the rookie QB's last season and this year's class is objectively worse. They've got ammo to get get a guy in 2023 if he doesn't work out.
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I don't see why they shouldn't. He outplayed most of the rookie QB's last season and this year's class is objectively worse. They've got ammo to get get a guy in 2023 if he doesn't work out.
They are definitely in a position to “build up the roster” this year and get a QB next year.
My philosophy is go get the qb when you can. There isn’t one available so stock up elsewhere and get that guy next year
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Field Yates
@FieldYates
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11m
Jaguars C Brandon Linder has retired from the NFL.
The Baum goes #1 overall...you heard it here first.
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the latest twitter rumor is that teams aren't that high on Kyle Hamilton and that he'll drop out of the top 10.
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the latest twitter rumor is that teams aren't that high on Kyle Hamilton and that he'll drop out of the top 10.
It’s because he’s a safety, not because of the 40 time
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the latest twitter rumor is that teams aren't that high on Kyle Hamilton and that he'll drop out of the top 10.
It'd be cool if someone liked him in the top 3.
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It’s because he’s a safety, not because of the 40 time
i don't think his workout helped his stock either. He'll have to rely solely on his game tape.
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It'd be cool if someone liked him in the top 3.
This could be a pipe dream now.
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i don't think his workout helped his stock either. He'll have to rely solely on his game tape.
When you're 6'4", you don't need to run a 4.3 at safety. But kind of like Burks, he got billed as a freak athlete, and he's merely a very good athlete. Granted, Hamilton is freakier at safety than Burks is at receiver, but I think to go top 4, he needed to also test extremely well.
I'd still be fine taking him at 10 in the right scenario, but definitely not at 4, and it looks like he might actually be there at 10.
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When you're 6'4", you don't need to run a 4.3 at safety. But kind of like Burks, he got billed as a freak athlete, and he's merely a very good athlete. Granted, Hamilton is freakier at safety than Burks is at receiver, but I think to go top 4, he needed to also test extremely well.
I'd still be fine taking him at 10 in the right scenario, but definitely not at 4, and it looks like he might actually be there at 10.
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1511097716004302855?s=21&t=Kme2cI3JkAc8MKLZEjFtqw
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1511097716004302855?s=21&t=Kme2cI3JkAc8MKLZEjFtqw
I think JD is all in on a top 3 edge at 4. I presume his board is Hutchinson, Thibs, Walker. But if the top 3 are all pass rushers I imagine he would work like hell to drop back. The QB sell is already happening I’m sure.
But if you are stuck at 4, I can’t see him taking edge 4. It’s a choice between Icky and Sauce and to me, there has to be a serious lean on Sauce for value/need perspective. But a quick potential mock if we took the saints 2 1sts for 4 if the top 3 all are edge guys,
10 - Karlaftis
16 - Wr of choice (Jameson Williams for me)
19 - Nakobe Dean
It’s not Travon Walker and Garrett Wilson, but it’s not a bad freaking day at the office either
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https://twitter.com/connor_j_hughes/status/1511097716004302855?s=21&t=Kme2cI3JkAc8MKLZEjFtqw
he must have come to this definitive conclusion after marathon watching/tweeting about star wars
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There are enough corners that do what we want that we really don’t need to take Sauce/Stingley at 4 or 10. I like the WR class and the Edge class, but I’m not screwing around with those two positions and trying to wait.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1513515084496224262?s=20&t=AEx2BzOWcjb08cuhZcxyzA
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I’ll believe Walker at 1 when I see it.
I think Detroit would take any of the 3 but would go Hutch/Thibs.
I think Houston would take Hutch then Walker and probably opt for an OL over Thibs and Jets would take any of the 3.
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https://twitter.com/JustinTFried/status/1513596514899218432
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https://twitter.com/JustinTFried/status/1513596514899218432
he's pretty good
would be a solid late round pick
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[Eisner] A significant shift in the #NFLDraft betting market for the No. 2 pick in the last 24 hours: Kayvon Thibodeaux is now the favorite at DK, FanDuel, and Caesars + trending toward being the favorite at PointsBet. Malik Willis' odds have dipped to between 8/1 to 10/1. #OnePride
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^ if Thibs/Hutch/Walker are gone...i'm really hoping Douglas can swing a trade down (maybe with the Vikes). Sauce would be a nice consolation prize at 4, but there's rumors going around that the Vikings absolutely love Sauce and are willing to trade up in front of the Giants for him.
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^ if Thibs/Hutch/Walker are gone...i'm really hoping Douglas can swing a trade down (maybe with the Vikes). Sauce would be a nice consolation prize at 4, but there's rumors going around that the Vikings absolutely love Sauce and are willing to trade up in front of the Giants for him.
If current smoke is a thing…
1. Walker - for the upside play
2. Thibideaux - current upside favorite
3. Ekwonu - smart money had always been on a tackle for them
4. Hutchinson - you have to be kidding me right? Why the hell is he still on the board. Have to take him here no questions asked
Jets fans are all in utter shock at their luck.
No way Hutch gets to 4. But like maybe there is a slim chance…?
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If current smoke is a thing…
1. Walker - for the upside play
2. Thibideaux - current upside favorite
3. Ekwonu - smart money had always been on a tackle for them
4. Hutchinson - you have to be kidding me right? Why the hell is he still on the board. Have to take him here no questions asked
Jets fans are all in utter shock at their luck.
No way Hutch gets to 4. But like maybe there is a slim chance…?
I'm not convinced Hutch is a better prospect than Thibs.
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If current smoke is a thing…
1. Walker - for the upside play
2. Thibideaux - current upside favorite
3. Ekwonu - smart money had always been on a tackle for them
4. Hutchinson - you have to be kidding me right? Why the hell is he still on the board. Have to take him here no questions asked
Jets fans are all in utter shock at their luck.
No way Hutch gets to 4. But like maybe there is a slim chance…?
Hutchinson isn't falling to 4, but I'd be happy to be wrong.
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I'm not convinced Hutch is a better prospect than Thibs.
I am, based on my limited, almost absent knowledge. Walker going #1 sounds like complete bullshit.
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I'm not convinced Hutch is a better prospect than Thibs.
Athletically /traits wise he is not. Production wise that’s a different thing.
I don’t think he gets to 4 either. But if Jags bet on Walkers upside, Lions feel Thibs is the better prospect and the Texans want a T over everything, then whichever guy the Lions don’t pick is in our laps.
In the end I still think the Jags do the same thing and the top 3 goes
1 - Hutchinson
2 - Thibideaux
3 - Ekwonu
4 - Walker
But somehow if it goes 1-2-3 edges I really do hope somebody wants Ekwonu or Sauce bad enough to jump the Giants to get him.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1517899277065981953
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1517899277065981953
This is why I want to keep the #10 pick and hope Jamo is there
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[King] I heard out of Jacksonville that we should expect a surprise with the Jaguars #1 pick. That would eliminate Aidan Hutchinson there
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It's probably Travon Walker at #1 but I hope they take one of the offensive tackles.
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It's probably Travon Walker at #1 but I hope they take one of the offensive tackles.
My current sorta-bold guess is Neal at #1.
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If the Jags took a tackle I presume it would be an admission that they're giving up on trying to get Robinson to sign a long term deal.
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If the Jags took a tackle I presume it would be an admission that they're giving up on trying to get Robinson to sign a long term deal.
They'd have two strong tackles with Taylor as an OK backup. Protecting Lawrence should be the priority. Pederson doesn't get a head coaching job ever again if Lawrence fails.
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My current sorta-bold guess is Neal at #1.
I think Ekwonu is a better fit in the offense that Pederson has run in the past. Lots of screens. He just moves a lot better in space than Neal does.
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the excrement that will come out from the media over the next 4 days will be bonkers.
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(https://i.redd.it/vlpx70j5aov81.jpg)
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Walker is favored now, but Ekwonu would be the better bet to make.
Never understood why Hutchinson was considered such a lock at 1.
Either way, I hope the Jags take either Walker or Ekwonu at 1.
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I hope they take Ekwonu/Neal and we get Walker or Thibs. We aren't getting Hutchinson, so I don't care if they pass on him. Detroit is not passing on Hutch.
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I hope they take Ekwonu/Neal and we get Walker or Thibs. We aren't getting Hutchinson, so I don't care if they pass on him. Detroit is not passing on Hutch.
Yep, Not-Hutchinson at #1 increases our odds of KT, which makes me happy.
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I hope they take Ekwonu/Neal and we get Walker or Thibs. We aren't getting Hutchinson, so I don't care if they pass on him. Detroit is not passing on Hutch.
I don't think Detroit is passing on Hutchinson, but again, I'm not sure what that's really based on other than the fact he went to Michigan.
If the Jaguars like Walker that much, maybe the Lions love Walker, too. Ekwonu-Walker 1-2 would be the dream scenario.
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https://twitter.com/ThePoniExpress/status/1517549901156081668
NFL Draft QB Wonderlic scores:
Bailey Zappe 35
Sam Howell 34
Malik Willis 32
Carson Strong 22
Desmond Ridder 19
Kenny Pickett 17
Matt Corral 15
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https://twitter.com/mello/status/1518603747232002048
https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1518590323685040131
Can't wait for Dean to fall to 35 and we pass on him.
Would be kind of funny to get 2 of Linderbaum, Karlaftis and Dean at 35 and 38 after some of us were mocking them at 10 a few months ago, and even 4 in Karlaftis' case.
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I don't think Detroit is passing on Hutchinson, but again, I'm not sure what that's really based on other than the fact he went to Michigan.
If the Jaguars like Walker that much, maybe the Lions love Walker, too. Ekwonu-Walker 1-2 would be the dream scenario.
Hutch is a Dan Campbell fantasy prospect
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https://twitter.com/mello/status/1518603747232002048
https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1518590323685040131
Can't wait for Dean to fall to 35 and we pass on him.
Would be kind of funny to get 2 of Linderbaum, Karlaftis and Dean at 35 and 38 after some of us were mocking them at 10 a few months ago, and even 4 in Karlaftis' case.
I’d take all 3 in the second round which is why I want to trade back and get another 2nd. Between those guys and the safeties in that range I’m excited to see who we can grab
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IMHO if Walker is the pick at #1, you're going to have to vacuum the dust trail left by the Detroit brass that they left when they ran the Hutchinson pick to the podium.
He's perfect for that franchise in so many ways, they'd have to be out of their freaking minds to pass on him.
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Would be kind of funny to get 2 of Linderbaum, Karlaftis and Dean at 35 and 38 after some of us were mocking them at 10 a few months ago, and even 4 in Karlaftis' case.
All three will be on the board and we'll draft Cam Jurgens twice
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I’d take all 3 in the second round which is why I want to trade back and get another 2nd. Between those guys and the safeties in that range I’m excited to see who we can grab
Updated Jets mock draft
33. Dax Hill
34. Tyler Linderbaum
35. Nakobe Dean
36. George Karlaftis
37. Kaiir Elam
38. Travis Jones
39. Breece Hall
40. Tyler Smith
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IMHO if Walker is the pick at #1, you're going to have to vacuum the dust trail left by the Detroit brass that they left when they ran the Hutchinson pick to the podium.
He's perfect for that franchise in so many ways, they'd have to be out of their freaking minds to pass on him.
Agree, If Hutch is there then 99% chance Detroit takes him.
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Updated Jets mock draft
33. Dax Hill
34. Tyler Linderbaum
35. Nakobe Dean
36. George Karlaftis
37. Kaiir Elam
38. Travis Jones
39. Breece Hall
40. Tyler Smith
It'd be tough to pass on Tyler Smith but I think Hill and Dean help us the most. Karlaftis is the best prospect but I'm hoping we've already addressed EDGE at 4.
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Everyone's favorite beat writer, Connor Hughes, is driving the JJ to the Jets bandwagon.
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Everyone's favorite beat writer, Connor Hughes, is driving the JJ to the Jets bandwagon.
This would immediately shatter my confidence in JD
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I need to really be sold on JJ. I will be somewhat heartbroken if we dont get Walker, Hutch, Or Thibs at 4.
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Everyone's favorite beat writer, Connor Hughes, is driving the JJ to the Jets bandwagon.
freak this noise
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I've said that I trust the Jets staff to identify what they need in this defense. But JJ at 4 would be underwhelming.
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This would immediately shatter my confidence in JD
100%
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It'd be like the Clelin Ferrell pick all over again
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So we all agree?
https://youtu.be/3TSVZVYhjRk?t=64
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So we all agree?
https://youtu.be/3TSVZVYhjRk?t=64
lmao
yes
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So we all agree?
https://youtu.be/3TSVZVYhjRk?t=64
!!!
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Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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40m
Usually smoke where there’s fire. Have had multiple league sources mention Joe Douglas & #Jets’ love of Jermaine Johnson — more so than KT. I believe, based off what I’ve been told, he’d be pick over KT
They have to decide if they feel he’ll be there at 10. If not: Take him at 4
this freaking guy.
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If they don't love KT, and they go Ekwonu at 4 and Jermaine at 10, I'd be cool with that.
If we trade down a few picks from 4 and get Jermaine later in the top 10 and a WR at 10, I'd be cool with that.
Using the #4 pick on Jermaine Johnson and nothing else would be disappointing.
FWIW, Connor Rogers was fine with Jermaine at 4.
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DJ Bien-Aime
@Djbienaime
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31m
There's a reason why @LegerDouzable
and I been talking about Jermaine Johnson
At least Manish was entertaining....
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Leger Douzable also said we shouldn't trade 10 for Deebo because he doesn't help the run defense or the pass rush...but then suggested we use the 10th pick on a WR.
These guys don't know anything.
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Leger Douzable also said we shouldn't trade 10 for Deebo because he doesn't help the run defense or the pass rush...but then suggested we use the 10th pick on a WR.
These guys don't know anything.
Exactly. None of the beat writers do.
JD is the most locked down GM we've ever had.
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I would trust Daniel Jeremiah to know more than our beat writers combined, and even i don't believe DJ knows 100% what JD is going to do.
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JD is the most locked down GM we've ever had.
Nah, he's got nothing on Parcells.
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Nah, he's got nothing on Parcells.
sure he does...he has father time on his side.
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if connor hughes thinks we're drafting jermaine johnson, either at 4 or 10, i'm going to put my money on us not drafting jermaine johnson at all
again, for the millionth time, while we were making FA moves all homie could tweet about was star wars and marvel movies. he knows nothing about the team and has no 'ins'. just pulling excrement straight out of his derriere and riding his beat position for as long as he can
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if connor hughes thinks we're drafting jermaine johnson, either at 4 or 10, i'm going to put my money on us not drafting jermaine johnson at all
again, for the millionth time, while we were making FA moves all homie could tweet about was star wars and marvel movies. he knows nothing about the team and has no 'ins'. just pulling excrement straight out of his derriere and riding his beat position for as long as he can
Johnson at 10 makes a ton of sense if we go elsewhere at 4.
I don't love Johnson at 4, but I'm also on the record of not loving anyone but Thibodeaux at 4.
Johnson didn't grade out well analytically, and his age scares me. But he measured well, blew up senior bowl, was productive, and his tape is good. I like the player. Just not at 4.
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I love Jermaine Johnson, and I’d be totally happy with him at #4. I think KT is a better prospect, but if they think JJ works better for what they need, so be it.
* on edit because the above sounds too passive: KT is my favorite player in the entire draft. I think he has the opportunity to be one of the very best players in the league. If it were up to me, I’d take KT no question over Johnson (or Hutch, honestly). I’m just also a big fan of JJ, and I would be good with that when the alternatives would be a lot worse (in my opinion).
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I have no idea. What makes KT better than JJ? Age seems to be one sticking point.
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Connor Hughes feels like the perfect beat writer shill for the Jets to feed “info” too and have him pumping out smoke everywhere.
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Listening to the move the sticks…
Rumors from DJ and Bucky:
Pedersen wants OT in Jax while Baalke wants Walker
Lions have Hutch top on the board
Houston: don’t sleep on Hamilton, loves Ickey, Sauce has a shot there
Jets (4) - talks a trade with Panthers, take future picks from Carolina for them to secure their OT
Giants (5 or 7) thinking OT in Neal and with the desire to trade Toney grabbing a WR like Wilson
Falcons - potential QB spot (nobody really believes it) London is pegged as the most likely guy for them
Seattle - Thibs slide ends here no matter what
Jets (10) -maybe Jameson Williams? Says “if jets don’t go wr at 4, I don’t think they love those top two guys (Wilson/London) speculated if they pull of that trade with Carolina they might just pull the trigger on a Wideout then. No mention of edge at either 4 or 10.
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Jets (4) - talks a trade with Panthers, take future picks from Carolina for them to secure their OT
I would absolutely love to get future Carolina picks.
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I would absolutely love to get future Carolina picks.
Them and Atlanta are big time targets for future picks for us.
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I would be pretty disappointed with JJ at 4, assuming the other 3 edge players aren’t all gone. Not a huge fan of taking a CB at 4, but I’d probably rather that. Or even just draft your favorite WR at 4. If JJ is there at 10, sure.
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the jaguars are really going to draft travon walker 1st overall huh
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Johnson at 10 makes a ton of sense if we go elsewhere at 4.
I don't love Johnson at 4, but I'm also on the record of not loving anyone but Thibodeaux at 4.
Johnson didn't grade out well analytically, and his age scares me. But he measured well, blew up senior bowl, was productive, and his tape is good. I like the player. Just not at 4.
I would be pretty disappointed with JJ at 4, assuming the other 3 edge players aren’t all gone. Not a huge fan of taking a CB at 4, but I’d probably rather that. Or even just draft your favorite WR at 4. If JJ is there at 10, sure.
Similar thinking here.
I'd be a bit bummed if we passed on KT for JJohnson, for sure.
Thibs is just a better, more accomplished and polished prospect, and is two years younger with better upside. If there is legit fire to the smoke and they take JJ at 4, wow, he must have impressed a ton at Senior Bowl and interviews so the Jets FO disagrees with me (HOW DARE THEY?!).
But I like JJ and he seems like a great dude. No doubt he's talented, but he's a pick 10-19 type of guy imo.
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https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1518946356131516417
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Pelissaro believes Lewis Cine, Quay Walker, Logan Hall, Travis Jones, David Ojabo, Nicholas Petit-Frere and George Pickens could all sneak in the 1st round.
Thinks Q.Walker could be the first LB taken (ahead of Lloyd/Dean)
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Pelissaro believes Lewis Cine, Quay Walker, Logan Hall, Travis Jones, David Ojabo, Nicholas Petit-Frere and George Pickens could all sneak in the 1st round.
Thinks Q.Walker could be the first LB taken (ahead of Lloyd/Dean)
he thinks they could
How is this reporting...
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he thinks they could
How is this reporting...
Welcome to draft week
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here come the beat writer smokescreens
https://twitter.com/Djbienaime/status/1518984350204936195?s=20&t=U6vLk4XCpqDmg_Uagk3llQ
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he thinks they could
How is this reporting...
What do you expect him to say? Nobody can accurately predict guys at the end of the 1st round.
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If Lloyd has medical issues, and Dean is 5'11", I could see Walker being preferred by NFL guys.
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Kinda hoping Carolina trades up with us for Icky
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Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
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9m
His best shot to go early is to the #Lions at 2. And he’s certainly in play there. I’d be floored if he goes to the #Jets at 4.
Regarding Thibs......shut your whore mouth, Garafolo
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https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1519128888571572227?s=20&t=jRTe9pdOPYeBRLB6UWCBZQ
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I don't trust any rumors from what has so far been a pretty tight-lipped organization. Tomorrow night can't come fast enough. That being said, I really hope the Ekwonu stuff is an attempt to get someone (Carolina?) to move up to 4.
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Do it, Houston
https://twitter.com/PFF_Bet/status/1519301425859379201?t=WA3rRUymDt7JkfUADoINlQ&s=19
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I don't trust any rumors from what has so far been a pretty tight-lipped organization. Tomorrow night can't come fast enough. That being said, I really hope the Ekwonu stuff is an attempt to get someone (Carolina?) to move up to 4.
This
Same with the JJ stuff....i'm hoping it's to entice the Giants to move up 1 spot to 4 to take him.
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I don't trust any rumors from what has so far been a pretty tight-lipped organization. Tomorrow night can't come fast enough. That being said, I really hope the Ekwonu stuff is an attempt to get someone (Carolina?) to move up to 4.
Generally agreed but I'd rather get Ekwonu than JJ at 4.
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Generally agreed but I'd rather get Ekwonu than JJ at 4.
Yeah, me too. The JJ at 4 rumors I'm just pretending don't exist right now.
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We can't screw this up.
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I like Ekwonu as a pick if they trade Becton, I just don't know that moving on from Becton is the right thing. But I'm not inside the organization.
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I like Ekwonu as a pick if they trade Becton, I just don't know that moving on from Becton is the right thing. But I'm not inside the organization.
My entire stance is predicated on my hope than Becton will be fine and Fant has multiple quality years to offer us. Because that's our best case scenario. I'm not preemptively writing either of those things off.
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It seems like everyone who knows anyone in the Jets organization has been saying the Jets aren't taking Thibodeaux.
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It seems like everyone who knows anyone in the Jets organization has been saying the Jets aren't taking Thibodeaux.
I'm wondering if we're putting out that smoke because we don't want someone to move ahead of us for him.
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I'm starting to see Travon Walker to the Jets at 4 now.
No one knows anything.
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Just give me an edge or a mind blowing trade down offer.
Please and thank you
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There is an outside possibility Hutchinson or Walker are there at 4 if the Lions like Thibodeaux and the Texans like Stingley.
There's also an outside possibility Thibodeaux falls to 10 if teams don't love him. Ekwonu/Thibodeaux might be the dream draft, especially if we can trade up for a WR (or trade for Deebo).
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Hopefully all this excrement entices a team to trade up with us, or at least with some other team for a QB or 3.
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JAX - Travon Walker
DET - Malik Willis
HOU - Derek Stingley
NYJ
Hutchinson SZN
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I've been ignoring the pre-draft talk more than in any year that I can remember as it's become exceedingly obvious that no one has a damn clue.
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I just don't want the Jets to screw the pooch with this tremendous opportunity that's been handed to them.
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JAX - Travon Walker
DET - Malik Willis
HOU - Derek Stingley
NYJ
Hutchinson SZN
QB in the top 3 would be boner city.
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QB in the top 3 would be boner city.
Detroit and Houston with the chance to be heroes.
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I just don't want the Jets to screw the pooch with this tremendous opportunity that's been handed to them.
I need us to either get KT or not even have a shot at him. Or we're gonna have to pull Justin Fields level "excrement on this guy because we passed on him" work.
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I need us to either get KT or not even have a shot at him. Or we're gonna have to pull Justin Fields level "excrement on this guy because we passed on him" work.
Fields never bothered me because he's in Chicago. I just want him to be worse than Wilson.
Thibodeaux could be a problem if he plays for the Giants and is better than whoever we pick at 4.
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Yes, JD leaked that he’s taking Ickey at 4 to increase his leverage at that pick, clearly
DJ Bean and Hughes fighting for clicks.
The next time anyone on our local beat gets a scoop of something newsworthy before the national media be the first time since JD has been here.
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https://twitter.com/woodwardsports/status/1519398046685175809 (https://twitter.com/woodwardsports/status/1519398046685175809)
Shoot this into my veins.
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https://twitter.com/woodwardsports/status/1519398046685175809 (https://twitter.com/woodwardsports/status/1519398046685175809)
Shoot this into my veins.
Hnnnngh
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Who the freak is this dude and why should we believe anything he says
Obvious I want him to be so freaking right because I am near certain Jets fans would 80%+ take Hutch if we were picking 1. If he somehow got to 4 we should be doing cartwheels
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Who the freak is this dude and why should we believe anything he says
Obvious I want him to be so freaking right because I am near certain Jets fans would 80%+ take Hutch if we were picking 1. If he somehow got to 4 we should be doing cartwheels
I imagine if the board fell like that, Joe's phone would be ringing.
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Hnnnngh
i don't ever remember the pre-draft process being this insufferable
people are twerking so fvcking hard for attention right now
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I imagine if the board fell like that, Joe's phone would be ringing.
Probably.
But unless it’s New Orleans calling with 16+19+49+98 + 2023 2 and 3 I’m turning them down. I also would tell SF no for Debo straight up for 4. Just take the elite edge prospect
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i don't ever remember the pre-draft process being this insufferable
people are twerking so fvcking hard for attention right now
The last two weeks have been agonizing. We're almost there.
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The last two weeks have been agonizing. We're almost there.
Yes, I too am excited for game 6 of the Raps / 76ers series.
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Just one more sleep boys! Or zero if you've got enough blow.
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Just one more sleep boys! Or zero if you've got enough blow.
I feel like that would be premature. I haven't done blow in a lot of years now, but if I did still do it then the way to do it would be to do the first line as Goodell announces the #1 pick and make your target to see Mr Irrelevant without sleeping.
But I'm staring down the barrel of 50 and I'm pretty sure my heart would give out if I tried.
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freak Yes, Jermaine Johnson is as good as ours
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Yes, I too am excited for game 6 of the Raps / 76ers series.
Beat those Philly bastards
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Beat those Philly bastards
Amen brother. freak Embiid.
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The last two weeks have been agonizing. We're almost there.
I've been agonizing since the Super Bowl.
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My body is ready
https://mobile.twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1519458840655376385?s=20&t=GWMrqVsWixAy5tvamVQOVg
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My body is ready
https://mobile.twitter.com/Willpa11/status/1519458840655376385?s=20&t=GWMrqVsWixAy5tvamVQOVg
Will Parkinson is the anti-Pauline. Or not. Whatever.
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Thibodeaux seems to be dropping like a rock. If it turns out to be true, wonder why?
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Will Parkinson is the anti-Pauline. Or not. Whatever.
Pauline's bastard child*
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Happy Draft Day, fellas. All the arguments, back and forths, agonizing with each other, speculation....all comes to halt tonight. Enjoy the next few days.
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Thibodeaux seems to be dropping like a rock. If it turns out to be true, wonder why?
He wouldn't shine Baalke's shoes.
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Jameson Williams in the top 10 rumors heating up a lot. Wouldn't be surprised if he's in consideration for us at 4 at this point
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Jameson Williams in the top 10 rumors heating up a lot. Wouldn't be surprised if he's in consideration for us at 4 at this point
SBTJJ
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SBTJJ
Lets make it happen
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Jameson Williams in the top 10 rumors heating up a lot. Wouldn't be surprised if he's in consideration for us at 4 at this point
I'm fine with this...
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Most definitive one so far
https://twitter.com/Schottey/status/1519451697638264832?s=20&t=09AVQiOLU5vcYke8a292DQ
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Most definitive one so far
https://twitter.com/Schottey/status/1519451697638264832?s=20&t=09AVQiOLU5vcYke8a292DQ
Is that Schotty's burner account?
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Current Vegas Odds for the position we draft with our first pick:
EDGE/ DL: +125
DB: + 200
OL: +300
WR: +350
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Most definitive one so far
https://twitter.com/Schottey/status/1519451697638264832?s=20&t=09AVQiOLU5vcYke8a292DQ
Seems awful loud and very close to the draft. I think it is real. If it was 2 weeks ago I wouldn't listen.
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We're gonna pass on Hutchinson at 4 aren't we?
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We're gonna pass on Hutchinson at 4 aren't we?
The thought has occurred to me haha.
This is the team that passed on Marino for another QB,
passed on Rice for another WR (Al Toon, an all-time fave, but still...),
passed on Emmitt Smith for another RB,
passed on superior-at-the-time prospects that fell into our laps, Sapp and Ed Reed...etc etc.
Passing on Hutch would be one of the bigger draft heartbreaks of my life. But hey, I'd have been heartbroken if we passed on Darnold, so wtf do I know.
In Joe D we trust.
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We're gonna pass on Hutchinson at 4 aren't we?
you started drinking early eh
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The thought has occurred to me haha.
This is the team that passed on Marino for another QB,
passed on Rice for another WR (Al Toon, an all-time fave, but still...),
passed on Emmitt Smith for another RB,
passed on superior-at-the-time prospects that fell into our laps, Sapp and Ed Reed...etc etc.
Passing on Hutch would be one of the bigger draft heartbreaks of my life. But hey, I'd have been heartbroken if we passed on Darnold, so wtf do I know.
In Joe D we trust.
I feel like we don't have as many clear cut recent examples of this. Mahomes/Watson and then Allen/Jackson maybe but I think most Jets fans have convinced themselves they wouldn't have succeeded here anyway.
Obviously lots of our high picks haven't worked out but after the early 00s I can't think of many "clearly we should have done X instead" moments. Maybe DeCastro.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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15m
Houston picks No. 3, but Texans also have been exploring a trade back up for a second top-10 pick, per league sources. If the right player is there, the Texans are trying to position themselves to move their second first-round pick at No. 13 to go get him.
I hate that the Texans are the biggest wildcard in the top 10, and they pick right in front of us.
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Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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15m
Houston picks No. 3, but Texans also have been exploring a trade back up for a second top-10 pick, per league sources. If the right player is there, the Texans are trying to position themselves to move their second first-round pick at No. 13 to go get him.
I hate that the Texans are the biggest wildcard in the top 10, and they pick right in front of us.
Honestly, I don't think I'd want to move back from 10-13, assuming we'd get a 3rd rounder or something. I guess Id be relatively indifferent. 2nd rounder in 2023? Yes please.
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I feel like we don't have as many clear cut recent examples of this. Mahomes/Watson and then Allen/Jackson maybe but I think most Jets fans have convinced themselves they wouldn't have succeeded here anyway.
Obviously lots of our high picks haven't worked out but after the early 00s I can't think of many "clearly we should have done X instead" moments. Maybe DeCastro.
Yeah, there's a reason all of Gorilla's examples came a while ago.
Lately, the trend has been that the "best player in the draft" has been falling to the Jets. Leonard Williams. Sam Darnold. Even Jamal Adams was considered probably the #2 player in his draft if you discount position.
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Yeah, there's a reason all of Gorilla's examples came a while ago.
Lately, the trend has been that the "best player in the draft" has been falling to the Jets. Leonard Williams. Sam Darnold. Even Jamal Adams was considered probably the #2 player in his draft if you discount position.
Totally agree. I was actually going to point this out in response to Badger's post, but you beat me to it.
I may have said it before, but the chances of Hutch falling to 4 are about as slim and unlikely as chances of Darnold dropping to 3, Jamal to 6, LWilliams to 6. So I'd be pretty floored if Hutch fell and we didn't jump.
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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9m
The Giants are not picking up the fifth-year option (for 2023) on QB Daniel Jones' contract, as @judybattista
reported.
However, they are picking up the fifth-year option for DT Dexter Lawrence.
oh man...please take a QB at 5 or 7.
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oh man...please take a QB at 5 or 7.
I wish, but no way. Unfortunately I think the Giants are gonna get good players at 5 and 7
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I wish, but no way. Unfortunately I think the Giants are gonna get good players at 5 and 7
how are they gonna get good players, and we're gonna get a meh player at 4?
i hate your brain today
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I wish, but no way. Unfortunately I think the Giants are gonna get good players at 5 and 7
If Jones is a lame duck because Schoen and Daboll don't want to be tied to the previous regime's mistakes, they're going to need to find someone to play quarterback. I don't think they can swing a trade for Garoppolo or Mayfield so they probably don't have much choice but to draft one, the fact that they've decided not to pick up Jones's option suggests they've seen and met with at least one player in the draft prep that they're willing to go with.
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If Jones is a lame duck because Schoen and Daboll don't want to be tied to the previous regime's mistakes, they're going to need to find someone to play quarterback. I don't think they can swing a trade for Garoppolo or Mayfield so they probably don't have much choice but to draft one, the fact that they've decided not to pick up Jones's option suggests they've seen and met with at least one player in the draft prep that they're willing to go with.
also...it's interesting that they waited until Draft day to decline Jones' 5th year option.
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There's nothing saying the Giants can't extend him next year if he has a great year. They'd just have to pay a little more.
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how are they gonna get good players, and we're gonna get a meh player at 4?
i hate your brain today
Because the Giants roster holes line up nicely with the likely players available. Literally just grab the best OL available at 5 and they've already crushed 1 pick.
E.g. Ekwonu is a mixed bag pick for us but it's a no brainer for them.
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also...it's interesting that they waited until Draft day to decline Jones' 5th year option.
Yeah it seems a bit odd, feels like they're tipping their hand and I don't know why they'd do that.
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Because the Giants roster holes line up nicely with the likely players available. Literally just grab the best OL available at 5 and they've already crushed 1 pick.
E.g. Ekwonu is a mixed bag pick for us but it's a no brainer for them.
What you posted still doesn't explain how the Giants get good players and we'll end up with some turd.
Ekwonu would be a stud on our oline...despite our situation.
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Yeah it seems a bit odd, feels like they're tipping their hand and I don't know why they'd do that.
Because they're drafting 2 Hall of Famers at 5 and 7....they're not worried.
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Yeah it seems a bit odd, feels like they're tipping their hand and I don't know why they'd do that.
4D chess. Scaring a team into trading up ahead of them for a QB, then taking the player they wanted all along at 5, then signing Danny Dimes to a 10 year $100M contract.
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What you posted still doesn't explain how the Giants get good players and we'll end up with some turd.
Ekwonu would be a stud on our oline...despite our situation.
4. JJ
5. Ekwonu
7. Gardner
10. London
Who would you say had a better draft?
I'm not wallowing in SOJF soup but just explaining what I think bo means.
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What you posted still doesn't explain how the Giants get good players and we'll end up with some turd.
Ekwonu would be a stud on our oline...despite our situation.
That investment would be somewhat offset by the fact that we'd probably bail on Becton at a loss.
We don't need an OL as bad as they do.
Edit: what Badger said.
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4. JJ
5. Ekwonu
7. Gardner
10. London
Who would you say had a better draft?
I'm not wallowing in SOJF soup but just explaining what I think bo means.
We won't know who had the better draft for years
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4. JJ
5. Ekwonu
7. Gardner
10. London
Who would you say had a better draft?
I'm not wallowing in SOJF soup but just explaining what I think bo means.
On the surface, that stinks. But do we really know?
I remember we were all afraid of drafting Rashan Gary.... all he did was go to the Packers and carve out a Probowl career.
Obviously i'd prefer we go in a different direction, but that doesn't mean i won't support JJ and London.
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That investment would be somewhat offset by the fact that we'd probably bail on Becton at a loss.
We don't need an OL as bad as they do.
Edit: what Badger said.
What if it turns out that moving on from Becton was the right move? Sure, it's a blemish on JD's draft record....but i'd rather he fix the problem now, than try to justify keeping Becton.
i'm playing devils' advocate here. I don't hope for any of this to happen.
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What if it turns out that moving on from Becton was the right move? Sure, it's a blemish on JD's draft record....but i'd rather he fix the problem now, than try to justify keeping Becton.
i'm playing devils' advocate here. I don't hope for any of this to happen.
Fix it next year when we know what Becton is (if he sloppy fatz himself)
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Fix it next year when we know what Becton is (if he sloppy fatz himself)
But Ekwonu is a freaking animal, and a versatile stud pick for the oline.
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We won't know who had the better draft for years
I will.
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I will.
look at you..all ho hung.
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But Ekwonu is a freaking animal, and a versatile stud pick for the oline.
Good OL come out every year. I'd rather give Becton his fair shake.
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Good OL come out every year. I'd rather give Becton his fair shake.
We all do. But i trust JD to make the right call.
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Yeah it seems a bit odd, feels like they're tipping their hand and I don't know why they'd do that.
Tipping their hand to do what? They aren't taking a QB at 5 or 7, and I'm not sure anyone really thought they were going to pick up the option.
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Tipping their hand to do what? They aren't taking a QB at 5 or 7, and I'm not sure anyone really thought they were going to pick up the option.
Trading down with the Saints and Eagles and then packaging all of those picks to move up to 3 to draft Tyler Linderbaum.
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1519775619000586240?s=20&t=etE4Ih9B5z2Fuh-dtyUXKA
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https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1519775619000586240?s=20&t=etE4Ih9B5z2Fuh-dtyUXKA
And for that reason, I'm out.
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And for that reason, I'm out.
me too. That was a dealbreaker.
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Love Sauce Gardner and would love him as a Jet. Just don't want to spend a top-5 pick on a cornerback.
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Love Sauce Gardner and would love him as a Jet. Just don't want to spend a top-5 pick on a cornerback.
it has to be EDGE/WR for our first rounders....and i have enough booze behind my mancave bar in case it doesn't.
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Love Sauce Gardner and would love him as a Jet. Just don't want to spend a top-5 pick on a cornerback.
Elite corners belong in the top five. Whether it's Stingley or Gardner, it makes sense IF the top three pass rushers are gone.
Our division has multiple elite wideouts. We can counter that if we hit on Stingley/Gardner.
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Elite corners belong in the top five. Whether it's Stingley or Gardner, it makes sense IF the top three pass rushers are gone.
Our division has multiple elite wideouts. We can counter that if we hit on Stingley/Gardner.
I just can't possibly justify taking Gardner over KT, Hutch, Walker and Ekwonu.
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Elite corners belong in the top five. Whether it's Stingley or Gardner, it makes sense IF the top three pass rushers are gone.
Our division has multiple elite wideouts. We can counter that if we hit on Stingley/Gardner.
This.
I'm all about Sauce at 4 if Thibs and Hutch are gone. I'd prefer him over Walker.
The team lives in a division with Diggs and Tyreek. Reed and Hall seem like a decent tandem with definite upside, but the only thing better than two starting options at corner is three starting options at corner.
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I just can't possibly justify taking Gardner over KT, Hutch, Walker and Ekwonu.
I can't either. But I'm sure if it happens I'll find a way to justify it.
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I can't either. But I'm sure if it happens I'll find a way to justify it.
I've been trying to justify it for the last week or so as there is more and more smoke behind it.
The way to justify it for me, who has been anti-CB since Day 1 is...
- Sauce is BPA on a team that needs impact players
- Divisional foes have built up solid WR groups
- Jets are indeed sold on Becton at OT, so Ekwonu is overkill and a bad use of resources.
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I just can't possibly justify taking Gardner over KT, Hutch, Walker and Ekwonu.
I can justify taking him over Ekwonu, who we absolutely do not need right now.
If Douglas uses another first rounder on an offensive lineman, he is officially Reverse Rex.
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I'd prefer him over Walker.
I most certainly do not feel this way.
If we pass on any of the top three edge rushers for ANY other player, it's a misstep.
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And for that reason, I'm out.
Lolol, I seriously cant blame you.
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I most certainly do not feel this way.
If we pass on any of the top three edge rushers for ANY other player, it's a misstep.
Agree, 100%.
At this point, Sauce or Ekwonu would be a grin-and-bear-it consolation over a top Edge for me.
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Agree, 100%.
At this point, Sauce or Ekwonu would be a grin-and-bear-it consolation over a top Edge for me.
I'll take Jameson Williams over Sauce or Ekwonu at 4....Fight me.
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I'll take Jameson Williams over Sauce or Ekwonu at 4....Fight me.
Wrong.
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Wrong.
*cracks neck and knuckles*
Let's go, honkytonk.
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I most certainly do not feel this way.
If we pass on any of the top three edge rushers for ANY other player, it's a misstep.
Well, it sounds like they don't like Thibodeaux, so we'd likely be talking Gardner over Thibodeaux.
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Well, it sounds like they don't like Thibodeaux, so we'd likely be talking Gardner over Thibodeaux.
what sounds like we don't like Thibodeaux.....all the bullishit flowing through twitter the last 48 hours?
Connor Hughes tell you that?
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what sounds like we don't like Thibodeaux.....all the bullishit flowing through twitter the last 48 hours?
Connor Hughes tell you that?
I've probably heard over a dozen people say the Jets don't like Thibodeaux from Jets writers to national NFL writers to draft analysts.
I feel like you would need to have your head buried in the sand to have not heard that by now.
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I've probably heard over a dozen people say the Jets don't like Thibodeaux from Jets writers to national NFL writers to draft analysts.
I feel like you would need to have your head buried in the sand to have not heard that by now.
that's cute that you think what they're saying has any substance at all.
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I just can't possibly justify taking Gardner over KT, Hutch, Walker and Ekwonu.
You can absolutely take Gardner over Ekwonu if you believe in Becton/Fant.
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You can absolutely take Gardner over Ekwonu if you believe in Becton/Fant.
Fair.
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Gardner over any of the aforementioned edge rushers would be rough.
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I'm now fully emotionally invested in Hutch @ 4 based on stupid rumors and prepared to be irrationally angry as soon as that doesn't happen.
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I'm now fully emotionally invested in Hutch @ 4 based on stupid rumors and prepared to be irrationally angry as soon as that doesn't happen.
I'm trying very hard to not get angry over anything out of the team's control.
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Sauce now favored to go 4, largely due to all the writer reports.
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What edge players do we think will make it to 10?
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What edge players do we think will make it to 10?
Hopefully JJ but I wouldn't bet on it. If we don't take an edge rusher at 4, we're probably waiting until the 2nd round.
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Sauce now favored to go 4, largely due to all the writer reports.
I'll be bummed.
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With draft rumors about the Chiefs wanting to trade up for a wideout and next year's 1st being on the table.
I'd take this and next years 1st for 10 in a heart beat
Of course with wideout being a need of ours, unless we go wideout at 4 doesn't make a mountain of sense.
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I'd be willing to bet hard money at this point that our pick is going to be one of Walker, Hutch, Ickey, or Sauce.
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With draft rumors about the Chiefs wanting to trade up for a wideout and next year's 1st being on the table.
I'd take this and next years 1st for 10 in a heart beat
You'd take a likely late 1st next year to move back from 10 to 29?
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Is there a way we can draft just the necklace?
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Charlie Campbell is saying that we're targeting Breece Hall in the 2nd round. I hope so
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I'm trying very hard to not get angry over anything out of the team's control.
I've chosen to get angry at the circumstances leading to a disappointing selection to avoid feeling like our own FO is making a mistake
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Charlie Campbell is saying that we're targeting Breece Hall in the 2nd round. I hope so
He's been heavily rumored to be targeted by the Bills in the 1st.
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What edge players do we think will make it to 10?
Hot Karl
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You'd take a likely late 1st next year to move back from 10 to 29?
I didn't realize they had two firsts this year.
But yes two late firsts is roughly equal to #10 per the chart
And in return we get two guys on 1st round rookie contracts with 5th year options.
Will we get a sexy wideout with either? Probably not, but those picks are typically prime to get you a starting DL or anything on the OL other than LT
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I didn't realize they had two firsts this year.
But yes two late firsts is roughly equal to #10 per the chart
And in return we get two guys on 1st round rookie contracts with 5th year options.
Will we get a sexy wideout with either? Probably not, but those picks are typically prime to get you a starting DL or anything on the OL other than LT
I'd consider trading 10 for both of their 1sts this year, but definitely not for one plus their 1st next year.
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I'd consider trading 10 for both of their 1sts this year, but definitely not for one plus their 1st next year.
I don't see why not. I mean their firsts are what 29&30?
It's not like the pick could be that much later next year.
Plus we already have a freak ton of picks in the first 3 rounds, I'd prefer to have an extra 1st next year
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I don't see why not. I mean their firsts are what 29&30?
It's not like the pick could be that much later next year.
Plus we already have a freak ton of picks in the first 3 rounds, I'd prefer to have an extra 1st next year
A 1st next year is traditionally valued as a 2nd this year.
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A 1st next year is traditionally valued as a 2nd this year.
I don't know how much more you could expect the Chiefs to offer.
I guess theoretically two 1sts and we swap a 3rd for their 2nd
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Charlie Campbell is saying that we're targeting Breece Hall in the 2nd round. I hope so
MBGreen approved
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https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1742230932546036054?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
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Charlie Campbell is saying that we're targeting Breece Hall in the 2nd round. I hope so
Chuckkkk
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https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1742230932546036054?s=46&t=e6vm1ybQ4I7pEpNpNEkBkg
Not really much different than what we had to decide with Sam vs Zach.
If Fields value as a QB on his rookie deal is a day 2 pick, that tells you everything you need to know about how much the league thinks he can be an elite talent. You take the top pick and get what you can for Fields. It’s not even a debate for me. Unless they think Caleb Williams isn’t the guy based on some off-field stuff, then you move the pick for the ransom someone is willing to pay
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Say the Jets by luck end up in a position to draft one of the top 2 OT, but there is a QB some other team is willing to move up for and give us a good haul (for argument, let's say a 2nd this year and a 1st next year), but will take us to the back of the first round (somewhere 25 or later). Would you give up the tackle for the haul, maybe still able to get a good guard, or do you take the tackle and not look back?
I know no one that late needs a QB, but weird excrement happens with 3 way trades and stuff, humor me.
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Say the Jets by luck end up in a position to draft one of the top 2 OT, but there is a QB some other team is willing to move up for and give us a good haul (for argument, let's say a 2nd this year and a 1st next year), but will take us to the back of the first round (somewhere 25 or later). Would you give up the tackle for the haul, maybe still able to get a good guard, or do you take the tackle and not look back?
I know no one that late needs a QB, but weird excrement happens with 3 way trades and stuff, humor me.
Depends on the haul
Hard to say no to an overpay
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Depends on the haul
Hard to say no to an overpay
I told you the haul
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I told you the haul
Well...I didn't read the whole post.
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Well...I didn't read the whole post.
Fair, I don't blame you.
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I am always in favor of trading down. More picks is more chances to get one right. Until this team proves it can make effective picks every time, I want more opportunities.
This'll all be moot because our 40 yo GM is going to trade for his buddy in Vegas.
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I am always in favor of trading down. More picks is more chances to get one right. Until this team proves it can make effective picks every time, I want more opportunities.
This'll all be moot because our 40 yo GM is going to trade for his buddy in Vegas.
Generally agree with this. If there's a chance to trade down, I would almost always take it. Especially when we don't have a 2nd-round pick.
That's also one of the other benefits of the higher pick. As much as I want Alt or Fashanu, I would love Amarius Mims and Xavier Worthy just as much.
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Xavier Worthy
Why?
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Why?
I haven't really dove into the draft prospects, so I picked a WR who is probably there in the 2nd round who could help us. Insert whichever receiver you want there - I don't care if it's Worthy or someone else. I'll start doing more draft research closer to the draft.
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Say the Jets by luck end up in a position to draft one of the top 2 OT, but there is a QB some other team is willing to move up for and give us a good haul (for argument, let's say a 2nd this year and a 1st next year), but will take us to the back of the first round (somewhere 25 or later). Would you give up the tackle for the haul, maybe still able to get a good guard, or do you take the tackle and not look back?
I know no one that late needs a QB, but weird excrement happens with 3 way trades and stuff, humor me.
One lineman isn't going to fix the line but I'd still go with Alt/Fash.
However, the one nice thing about having only 1.5 decent linemen is that if we do trade back, we can just take the best lineman, period. Guard, right tackle, center... just bring him in.
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We do not need a center. Let Tippmann develop.
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We do not need a center. Let Tippmann develop.
I think he can play any of the interior positions at a high level.
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One lineman isn't going to fix the line but I'd still go with Alt/Fash.
However, the one nice thing about having only 1.5 decent linemen is that if we do trade back, we can just take the best lineman, period. Guard, right tackle, center... just bring him in.
Agreed. And the 2 starters we have can play multiple positions, so we can be a little position agnostic and just take the best available lineman for one spot. The other needs to be able to play tackle.
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JJ at 2?
https://twitter.com/JaimeEisner/status/1782241212470100013?t=Yvd_tPyIhIAAyLkz6ImMYQ&s=19
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https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1782372139758227848
Surprised this one wasn’t getting much buzz given its Jets related and from the Marvel man himself.
As I’ve been saying for weeks, go get Marvin Harrison Jr. all we need is Minny to get Zona to move off of four…
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https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1782372139758227848
Surprised this one wasn’t getting much buzz given its Jets related and from the Marvel man himself.
As I’ve been saying for weeks, go get Marvin Harrison Jr. all we need is Minny to get Zona to move off of four…
I think the Chargers would gladly take Harrison themselves there.
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I think the Chargers would gladly take Harrison themselves there.
It’s all predicated on Harbaugh wanting an OL and deciding it’s better value to trade back and get assets than take a RT at 5. They have to be willing to move, but the Jets also have to be willing to pay as well.
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interesting tidbit from Fowler/Graziano's article this morning
Chargers looking to trade?
Fowler: While the Cardinals at No. 4 can effectively serve as the draft's pivot point for a trade, teams I've spoken to believe the Chargers are eager to trade back at No. 5, too. "The Chargers have made that clear -- they want to move back," an NFL executive said. "They probably want an [offensive] tackle."
One thing to keep in mind: New Chargers GM Joe Hortiz has a long-standing relationship with Jets GM Joe Douglas from their days together in Baltimore. And Douglas, who picks 10th overall, has proven a willing trade partner, though the Jets aren't hunting for a quarterback and might be less inclined to move. The Cardinals and Chargers both need receiver help big-time, and if Arizona stays put, most teams I've talked to believe Ohio State's Marvin Harrison Jr. would be the favorite there.
On a separate note, teams really are split on Harrison vs. LSU's Malik Nabers for WR1. It's all about preference: Harrison's polish vs. Nabers' explosion. Washington's Rome Odunze is considered such a pro-ready prospect that he's right there with them, at least as a 2B option.
i forgot that LA Chargers' new GM has a connection with Joe Douglas....hmmm.
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interesting tidbit from Fowler/Graziano's article this morning
i forgot that LA Chargers' new GM has a connection with Joe Douglas....hmmm.
Maserati Marv SZN
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Maserati Marv SZN
i didn't lend any hope to an actual trade up to 5 at all....but now there's a sliver of a chance. We'll see.
LA will want a truckload of a haul, so i'm sure that will end the convo pretty quickly.
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I would give up 10 and next year's first for Marv. The best wideout prospect since Megatron. He is right there with Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and AJ Green.
Those ranking Nabers above him are just trying to be contrarians.
Go all in. We've had high picks for the past decade and we haven't moved an inch.
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I would give up 10 and next year's first for Marv. The best wideout prospect since Megatron. He is right there with Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and AJ Green.
Those ranking Nabers above him are just trying to be contrarians.
Go all in. We've had high picks for the past decade and we haven't moved an inch.
they'll get more from some other team....10 and next year's 1st isn't enough imo. We'll be competing with teams looking to trade up for QBs (and will be willing to give up more)
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Graziano is saying the Bengals are in love with JC Latham and are a threat to trade up to get him. That would be a good fit for us to trade back with.
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they'll get more from some other team....10 and next year's 1st isn't enough imo. We'll be competing with teams looking to trade up for QBs (and will be willing to give up more)
depends on what happens with the Top 4 - the QBs could be off the board by #5
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depends on what happens with the Top 4 - the QBs could be off the board by #5
there are a few teams behind us that could get desperate and trade up for Nix/Penix (i would die if we needed a QB and did this for these 2 guys) to #5.
Raiders, Steelers, Seahawks have all shown interest in Penix. I don't think Denver has the draft capital to do it.
Tomorrow night is going to be wild. This is why i wanted to tank for a better pick...imagine the haul we'd be getting if we were sitting somewhere between 3 to 6. This was the year to tank.
EDIT: some dumbshit franchise is gonna part with like 3 first rounders to move up for a QB not named Daniels, Williams or Maye....we should've been the benefactors of this potential fleecing.
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watching the Patriots fleece the excrement out of Minnesota in a potential trade up to 3 is going to be dildos.
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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
To summarize my last 5 phone calls- everyone is moving up for an OT.
#eyeballEmoji
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Graziano is saying the Bengals are in love with JC Latham and are a threat to trade up to get him. That would be a good fit for us to trade back with.
If I go to the draft party tomorrow I may be actively rooting against a trade down, I don't want to be there all night.
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If I go to the draft party tomorrow I may be actively rooting against a trade down, I don't want to be there all night.
loss4u
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Daniel Jeremiah
@MoveTheSticks
Find me a team that has a bigger need than the Saints at OT
Come and get one!
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Someone's about to drop to the 2nd round
Evan Cohen
@EvCoRadio
Important to note, Drake Maye just told us on @UnSportsESPN
that he eats ketchup with steak and eggs.
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Someone's about to drop to the 2nd round
Evan Cohen
@EvCoRadio
Important to note, Drake Maye just told us on @UnSportsESPN
that he eats ketchup with steak and eggs.
(https://media.tenor.com/bdzTE4CeYakAAAAM/mother-of-god.gif)
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Todd McShay
@McShay13
-5 LAC, 8 ATL and 9 CHI are most likely of those to move, based off my conversations.
Two other side notes:
-6 NYG would love to move up for Maye but not likely to happen. If stuck at 6, I keep hearing Odunze over Nabers.
-7 TEN is most likely team b/t 5-9 to stay home… and plan on taking top OT available (Alt if LAC moves out of 5 for a QB-needy trade partner or Latham if Alt goes 5)
Didn't consider the potential of trading up to 8 for a WR and it being Nabers instead of Odunze.
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Someone's about to drop to the 2nd round
Evan Cohen
@EvCoRadio
Important to note, Drake Maye just told us on @UnSportsESPN
that he eats ketchup with steak and eggs.
Mahomes does this too.
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Mahomes does this too.
Mahomes would've been Hackeberg'd if he didn't have Andy Reid coaching him.
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If Harrison doesn't get taken at 4, I'd have a hard time being upset about whatever we give up to get him. If we do it and don't give up a first next year, I'll fap in my culdesac, right under the streetlight so all my neighbors can see.
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https://twitter.com/qbanalysis25
this is unfortunately not a parody account
this guy has been spiraling for days
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I will mint my own lawn if we trade up for Marv
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I would give up 10 and next year's first for Marv. The best wideout prospect since Megatron. He is right there with Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and AJ Green.
Those ranking Nabers above him are just trying to be contrarians.
Go all in. We've had high picks for the past decade and we haven't moved an inch.
This is what I’ve been saying for weeks.
Tell Minnesota to get the deal done with Arizona tonight and we finalize the details to get to five during the day and pull the god damn trigger when he’s officially on the freaking clock.
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I would say our high picks have largely put us in position to win this year, along with trading for Rodgers.
However, since Rodgers' window is so tight, moving up to get a wide receiver makes a ton of sense. Ideally, I want to leave tomorrow with Harrison, Nabers or Odunze. I love all three. I would rather give up next year's 2nd for Nabers or Odunze than next year's 1st for Harrison if that's the difference in cost, but if they go all in and mortgage some of next year's draft, this would be the time to do it.
Douglas is also incentivized to do it. If the team does what it's supposed to and wins, that should be a bottom 8 pick. And if that pick ends up being another top-10 pick, that pick is being made by another GM.
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Rumor is, no matter who the pick, Woody Johnson will mention Aaron Rodgers no less than 10x on the 2 minute call with the prospect.
Hey OL Prospect, I hope you are excited to block for Aaron Rodgers this year.
Hey Pass Catching Prospect, I hope you are excited to catch passes from Aaron Rodgers
Hey Pass Rushing Prospect, I hope you are excited to have Aaron Rodgers curse you out for not playing offense.
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Rumor is, no matter who the pick, Woody Johnson will mention Aaron Rodgers no less than 10x on the 2 minute call with the prospect.
Hey OL Prospect, I hope you are excited to block for Aaron Rodgers this year.
Hey Pass Catching Prospect, I hope you are excited to catch passes from Aaron Rodgers
Hey Pass Rushing Prospect, I hope you are excited to have Aaron Rodgers curse you out for not playing offense.
Excited to hear Saleh scream on the phone at the players we draft before the Woody cringe.
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I went on a darkness retreat and in the depths of the shadows I saw a Gord
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Excited to hear Saleh scream on the phone at the players we draft before the Woody cringe.
ROOOOOOOME
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ROOOOOOOME
I was picturing more BROOCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKK in my head.
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BOWEY WOWEY! Joe Douglas here. Ready to be a Jet?
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BOWEY WOWEY! Joe Douglas here. Ready to be a Jet?
Is Brock's mom a milf? Could be a selling point.
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Jaaaared!
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Is Brock's mom a milf? Could be a selling point.
She's balding too
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Rumor is, no matter who the pick, Woody Johnson will mention Aaron Rodgers no less than 10x on the 2 minute call with the prospect.
Hey OL Prospect, I hope you are excited to block for Aaron Rodgers this year.
Hey Pass Catching Prospect, I hope you are excited to catch passes from Aaron Rodgers
Hey Pass Rushing Prospect, I hope you are excited to have Aaron Rodgers curse you out for not playing offense.
Hey random suffering jets fan...I hope you're ready to pay more to see Aaron Rodgers.
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She's balding too
Haha
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BOWEY WOWEY! Joe Douglas here. Ready to be a Jet?
*BoyGreen here
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From Charlie Campbell, who is pretty reliable:
For months, I have had the Jets taking Georgia tight end Brock Bowers with the 10th-overall pick, and that outcome sounds like is a real possibility for the Jets. However in speaking to sources with the team, it sounds like drafting Bowers at No. 10 is actually Plan C. Jets general manager Joe Douglas badly wants to trade down in the first round. Douglas wants to acquire a second-round pick, and if the Jets trade down, it sounds like their top target would be LSU wide receiver Brian Thomas Jr. The Jets want to get a second-round pick to add depth to their offensive line, or possibly take another wide receiver.
If the Jets are forced to stick at pick No. 10, they would prefer to draft Washington wide receiver Rome Odunze, who the decision-makers like more than Bowers. The Jets feel they need another wideout because Mike Williams is coming off an injury, plus they want another playmaker to attack defenses. They feel they would be in serious trouble if Garrett Wilson were to go down with an injury, and in a critical year, they would prefer to not be lacking depth at a critical position. That being said, the Jets do not expect Odunze to make it to the 10th pick of the 2024 NFL Draft.
If Odunze is off the board and the Jets are unable to trade down, Bowers is likely to be their pick. It sounds like the Jets are comfortable with his medical, and they feel he could be an excellent weapon for Aaron Rodgers. They like the tight ends they have, so they do not feel they are desperate at the position. Hence, the Jets prefer Odunze if both would be available. It will be fascinating to see if the Jets can pull off Plan A with a trade down, manage to exeucte Plan B by selecting Odunze, or are forced into Plan C and take Bowers.
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Need a team ahead of us to take Bowers.
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If that's truly the gameplan, I like it.
I'd still prefer to take a tackle if A and B fail, but if Bowers is no higher than plan C, I'm okay with it.
I'd really love plan A to work out though.
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From Charlie Campbell, who is pretty reliable:
lol
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lol
It's at least plausible.
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It's at least plausible.
WalterFootball is arguably the worst site on the world wide web
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Our top target is a Stephen Hill clone?
It really is seppuku szn
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Our top target is a Stephen Hill clone?
It really is seppuku szn
In a glorious year where great OL and WR prospects are available...and we're going to freak it up.
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lol
Say what you will about the website but Campbell has been one of the most accurate over the last couple of years. Nailed the entire top 10 in 2021 and nailed the entire top 10 in 2022 besides swapping who the Giants took at 5 and 7. He's no JO insider though
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I've seen the Latham to Titans at 7 thing pop up in several places with Alt going to the Chargers at 5.
I could certainly see Harbaugh taking an OL to beef up the run game. I'm surprised to see Latham being the 2nd OL to go. Maybe he's the best prospect that can play both tackle positions in some teams' eyes.
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Say what you will about the website but Campbell has been one of the most accurate over the last couple of years. Nailed the entire top 10 in 2021 and nailed the entire top 10 in 2022 besides swapping who the Giants took at 5 and 7. He's no JO insider though
Agreed.
His draft profiles often suck but he tends to have better info than most with his mocks and rumors.
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I've seen the Latham to Titans at 7 thing pop up in several places with Alt going to the Chargers at 5.
I could certainly see Harbaugh taking an OL to beef up the run game. I'm surprised to see Latham being the 2nd OL to go. Maybe he's the best prospect that can play both tackle positions in some teams' eyes.
I read earlier in the week that Latham has taken reps at every OL position in practice....with RT being his primary positon. The Bama coaching staff wants their players to be versatile.
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lol
i was going to say. this guy writes for walter football. he says sources close to the team.
nobody inside the team is talking to this guy lmfaooo. his sources close to the team are probably one of our useless beat writers, who don't know excrement.
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i was going to say. this guy writes for walter football. he says sources close to the team.
nobody inside the team is talking to this guy lmfaooo. his sources close to the team are probably one of our useless beat writers, who don't know excrement.
that's a bingo, sir.
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https://x.com/RichCimini/status/1783538565852389450
our beat has fallen off so hard that Rich is the most tapped in again
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Not sure if this has been posted, but Schrader who has been very good at predicting our pick has us taking Bowers at 10...
With alt going at 11.
I would start an insurrection from denver
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Jeremiah and Schrager promoting Latham to LAC could be one of the biggest smokescreens in recent history.
If the Chargers do take Latham at 5, we have a real shot at landing WR2 or WR3 at 10.
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Chargers should just trade 5 to us so we can get MHJ. They can get Latham at 10.
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I forgot Chad Alexander went to LAC. Their GM also worked with Joe in Baltimore.
Get it done.
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Jeremiah and Schrager promoting Latham to LAC could be one of the biggest smokescreens in recent history.
If the Chargers do take Latham at 5, we have a real shot at landing WR2 or WR3 at 10.
Lot of people think Harbaugh wants to build a wall and run the ball like in Michigan. Who knows if that's true.
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Lot of people think Harbaugh wants to build a wall and run the ball like in Michigan. Who knows if that's true.
I think that too, but that 5th pick is insanely valuable as a trade back chip. He can move back and still get Latham.
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i can't unsee this
https://x.com/FootbaIIism/status/1783530667055198279
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i can't unsee this
https://x.com/FootbaIIism/status/1783530667055198279
Poor girl wasn't even the whitest woman in her own photograph.
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Chargers should just trade 5 to us so we can get MHJ. They can get Latham at 10.
This is a huge part of the reason I think we CAN get to 5. If we aren’t competing with the Vikings for the rights to QB four we have a real shot there
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This is a huge part of the reason I think we CAN get to 5. If we aren’t competing with the Vikings for the rights to QB four we have a real shot there
I think a bunch of teams will be calling for Marvin Harrison if he makes it to 5.
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https://x.com/dmrussini/status/1783601749112090715?s=46&t=g2jWiyISkiG0PiJL8Q2-TQ
A package centered around one of the above WR + pick 31 for pick 10? Would the niners do that?
Solve WR issue, get a late 1st back for OL help
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I don’t think we can afford Aiyuk
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I don’t think we can afford Aiyuk
We can't
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Makes no sense to trade for Samuel/Aiyuk/Higgins when Garrett is going to be looking for an extension in a year.
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Makes no sense to trade for Samuel/Aiyuk/Higgins when Garrett is going to be looking for an extension in a year.
gotta pay Sauce too
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I think a bunch of teams will be calling for Marvin Harrison if he makes it to 5.
But none offer the ability to stay in the top ten while still getting a valuable pick next year to secure their OT of choice. I don’t think anyone else would pay what the Jets would in future capital, and Harbaugh almost certainly gets to pick the OT of his choice at 10, since he likely wants a guy opposite Slater, which would be either Latham or Fuaga.
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Makes no sense to trade for Samuel/Aiyuk/Higgins when Garrett is going to be looking for an extension in a year.
BUT getting a potentially elite WR to pair with Garrett, on a rookie contract? That’s infinitely more affordable and allows us to still be able to pay all of the top guys from 2022.
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Rumors warming up of Giants trading up with Pats for a QB. Drake Maye looks like a Patriot or a Giant and his name rhymes with gay.
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Rumors warming up of Giants trading up with Pats for a QB.
These rumors have been warm for about a month
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Rumors warming up of Giants trading up with Pats for a QB. Drake Maye looks like a Patriot or a Giant and his name rhymes with gay.
Whatever convinces the Vikings to come up to 4…
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Whatever convinces the Vikings to come up to 4…
I've been back and forth about this. The vikings trading up to 4 means 4 QBs in the top 10, allowing one of our guys to slip to 10.
but if for some reason they are unable to trade up from 11, and another team is able to jump up instead, our 10 pick may look very nice to a team wanting to jump the vikes for a QB. we always say 'trade down' as if it's very simple to find a partner, which it's not, but i think finding a taker for a QB at 10 if the vikings are still at 11 is a pretty good bet
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Last year was the first year I wasn't happy we stayed and picked where we were. Usually patience works out for us and someone good falls.
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Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
After weeks of listening to offers for the No. 3 overall pick, all signs now point to the #Patriots standing pat and picking.
The belief within the league is that pick will most likely be North Carolina QB Drake Maye.
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I've been back and forth about this. The vikings trading up to 4 means 4 QBs in the top 10, allowing one of our guys to slip to 10.
but if for some reason they are unable to trade up from 11, and another team is able to jump up instead, our 10 pick may look very nice to a team wanting to jump the vikes for a QB. we always say 'trade down' as if it's very simple to find a partner, which it's not, but i think finding a taker for a QB at 10 if the vikings are still at 11 is a pretty good bet
I can’t see any scenario where one of the top 4 qbs is still on the board at 10. Every team from 7-9 is incentivized to move. If the Vikings can’t close a deal, either someone else will, or the idea of McCarthy as a top QB prospect is total BS and he’s about to pull a Levis and drop to the late 20s.
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Let’s get the Vikings on the phone with Arizona and get that excrement done by the start of the draft
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Let’s get the Vikings on the phone with Arizona and get that excrement done by the start of the draft
If we would trade up to 5 for Harrison, why not 4?
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If we would trade up to 5 for Harrison, why not 4?
I don’t care, but I can’t see it happening
- we don’t have a relationship in the GM office.
- if they are turning down Minnesota, which has to be at least 11 & 23, what can’t we offer that gets them to move?
- lacking a 2nd round pick, it makes it hard to go way up in the draft.
If we get MHJ at 4, I don’t care. I just want MHJ
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I don’t think anyone else would pay what I would in future capital
FTFY
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Undraftable.
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1783574983135916095
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Undraftable.
https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1783574983135916095
i remember when michael jordan and barry bonds weren't available in video games in the late 90s / early aughts