Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 11:51:11 AM
You are starting to sound like a little bitch...
Tough. Not going to candy coat it, we're done for this decade.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
Because they made changes to a team that hasn't had a winning record in 4 years?
Changes are fine, but getting rid of good people is why we haven't won and why we won't win. And they never learn.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
How can anyone fight a dude with a terrific ear ring.
All Jets gear has been put away until 2020.
Post by: Laxin on December 29, 2014, 12:12:04 PM
Tough. Not going to candy coat it, we're done for this decade.
Do you know how ignorant that sounds? We havent done excrement the last four years, but now you are acting like we just fired Jesus. Yes, theres a chance the Jets can be worse than they were the last 4 years, but if thats what you are scared of, then you have no business making any important decisions and that is certainly not a mind set that gets you a ring. Prolonging mediocrity is just living in purgatory- freak that
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 12:49:01 PM
Do you know how ignorant that sounds? We havent done excrement the last four years, but now you are acting like we just fired Jesus. Yes, theres a chance the Jets can be worse than they were the last 4 years, but if thats what you are scared of, then you have no business making any important decisions and that is certainly not a mind set that gets you a ring. Prolonging mediocrity is just living in purgatory- freak that
We had the ability to fix what's wrong, a lack of talent, with tons of cap money and a high pick. Fixing what isn't wrong by firing the most competent person in the organization moves us further from that goal, not closer.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2014, 12:50:04 PM
the most competent person in the organization
This is the same person that called a reverse pass to Geno Smith yesterday
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 29, 2014, 12:52:12 PM
This is the same person that called a reverse pass to Geno Smith yesterday
In fairness he did also call the fake punt.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 12:52:47 PM
This is the same person that called a reverse pass to Geno Smith yesterday
And the fake punt apparently. Philbin is keeping his job too, which is good for us. But that's what it looks like when a team quits on its coach.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2014, 12:53:57 PM
In fairness he did also call the fake punt.
But it was Thomas McGaughey's play design
kudos to him for having the stone to make that call though
Post by: MBGreen on December 29, 2014, 12:53:58 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 12:54:55 PM
But it was Thomas McGaughey's play design
kudos to him for having the stone to make that call though
If he knew he ws being fired anyway it really didn't. But I'm glad he did, it helped us beat Miami.
Post by: Tommy on December 29, 2014, 03:41:25 PM
If you have a shitty QB it doesn't matter who you get to "develop" him. Sanchez only played 16 college games, his own coach said he wasn't ready for the pros and we managed to win four road playoff games with him. Now he plays for the great offensive guru Chip Kelly who everyone here has a big hard on for and he's the same QB. He can do some good things but then will turn the ball over and kill you. So I guess the Eagles better fire Chip Kelly. Maybe we can get him to develop Geno and further make my point.
lol wut
Post by: Cane on December 29, 2014, 03:41:27 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 04:03:03 PM
Haha. You didn't make one. You think QBs come out of college and are who they are forever. It's actually the most nonsensical thing I've ever seen posted here.
If you don't have the talent to be a good NFL QB no amount of coaching is going to give it to you. If you have talent that can be developed, sure, Rex didn't have QBs who are ever going to be that good no matter who coaches them. Sanchez is exhibit A.
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 04:04:39 PM
If you don't have the talent to be a good NFL QB no amount of coaching is going to give it to you. If you have talent that can be developed, sure, Rex didn't have QBs who are ever going to be that good no matter who coaches them. Sanchez is exhibit A.If you can't see what point Cane is trying to make then I dont know what to say.
The old saying: it takes a village. In this sport it's never just about one guy.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 04:09:25 PM
If you can't see what point Cane is trying to make then I dont know what to say.
The old saying: it takes a village. In this sport it's never just about one guy.
His point is invalid in our case because we didn't have a QB to develop. And we still got to two AFC Championship Games without one.
Now we still don't have a QB, let's see how long before we get back even to the playoffs. Won't be next year, won't be the year after.
Post by: Cane on December 29, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
His point is invalid in our case because we didn't have a QB to develop. And we still got to two AFC Championship Games without one.
Now we still don't have a QB, let's see how long before we get back even to the playoffs. Won't be next year, won't be the year after.
That's overrated too. A QB is good or not usually because he's good or he isn't. This idea that a coach needs to "develop" everyone is nonsense.
That's what the response was to, chief. Simply posting it again makes me feel dirty.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 29, 2014, 05:07:40 PM
All Jets gear has been put away until 2020.
So many posts that are going to get dragged out.
Post by: Laxin on December 29, 2014, 05:16:13 PM
That's overrated too. A QB is good or not usually because he's good or he isn't. This idea that a coach needs to "develop" everyone is nonsense. Maybe a product of the helicopter parenting generation, I don't know. If you're no good in the first place what is any coach going to develop you into?
So in your mind... what exactly does a HC do?
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Because clearly you dont think they are in charge of developing players. Im pretty sure you dont think Rex has any influence in the roster makeup either... So do you just think he strictly calls a game?
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 05:18:53 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 29, 2014, 05:19:37 PM
If you don't have the talent to be a good NFL QB no amount of coaching is going to give it to you. If you have talent that can be developed, sure, Rex didn't have QBs who are ever going to be that good no matter who coaches them. Sanchez is exhibit A.
Sanchez was as mismanaged as you can get. He had a lot of promise, and we fucked with every bit of stability we could. It was dreadful.
Post by: Libero_2 on December 29, 2014, 05:48:50 PM
So why is he the same QB with the great offensive mind Chip Kelly? I even bought in, thinking this was what he needed, but in the end he is who he is, and they're not in the playoffs either.
I think this has been widely explained.
We fucked Sanchez up. We Carr'd him and he won't ever be feasible again. He might have moments or flashes, but we broke the kid. He's done. We fucked up his chances and ours, and when we did it he became a ruined product and so did we. Sometimes you draft a guy and do everything right, see Andy Dalton, and he still sucks. But that wasn't the case with Sanchez, we did pretty much everything wrong with him and he still almost succeeded. But when it went wrong, it went really really really wrong.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 29, 2014, 06:25:49 PM
Rex brought this on himself. He should have paid more attention to detail and less on his vaunted defense. At the very least he should have dispelled that belief and act like he gave a excrement about the other 2 thirds of a football team. Frankly, sometimes it appeared if he lost 3-0 he would be happy his team played great defense.
Post by: Pope on December 29, 2014, 06:56:52 PM
I think this has been widely explained.This is way overblown. Sanchez was put behind the best offensive line of the decade and was supported by a top 3 if not #1 defense and running game. He lost weapons and some OL talent in his third and fourth years but every team has holes/injuries. Sanchez had the best situation a young QB can ask for his first couple years. You guys act like we tossed him into Chernobyl
We fucked Sanchez up. We Carr'd him and he won't ever be feasible again. He might have moments or flashes, but we broke the kid. He's done. We fucked up his chances and ours, and when we did it he became a ruined product and so did we. Sometimes you draft a guy and do everything right, see Andy Dalton, and he still sucks. But that wasn't the case with Sanchez, we did pretty much everything wrong with him and he still almost succeeded. But when it went wrong, it went really really really wrong.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 29, 2014, 06:59:10 PM
This argument is dumb, if Rex was a hall of fame caliber coach he would have been able to pick talent better both in his assistants and his players. While Rex was here we all know the offense was mediocre at best, but the special teams was horrible as well. Even with the so called greatest special teams coach ever. I am sorry, but a good head coach, especially one that depends on the field position battle, more than his wife's toes should have more than no freaking clue about 2 thirds of a football team. It's shear ridiculousness defending him like he is the second coming of Vince freaking Lombardi. I am saying this as someone that likes Rex a lot.
Rex brought this on himself. He should have paid more attention to detail and less on his vaunted defense. At the very least he should have dispelled that belief and act like he gave a excrement about the other 2 thirds of a football team. Frankly, sometimes it appeared if he lost 3-0 he would be happy his team played great defense.
The sad thing is that at the start it seemed like he was heavily invested in the offense. He loved Sanchez, was instrumental in scouting him, and then just kind of quit caring. It's like he thought that one bit of time was enough for his tenure.
Post by: Pope on December 29, 2014, 07:05:47 PM
Holes/injuries are one thing. It's another thing entirely to recognize that your quarterback is struggling to develop and then remove support as some sort of tough love crucible.It wouldn't matter what talent we put out there. Sanchez is a dumbass and he can't stop turning the ball over. He had success in the fast-paced Eagles offense because he didn't have to think. Once teams adjusted he promptly eliminated them from playoff contention.
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2014, 07:53:36 PM
It wouldn't matter what talent we put out there. Sanchez is a dumbass and he can't stop turning the ball over. He had success in the fast-paced Eagles offense because he didn't have to think. Once teams adjusted he promptly eliminated them from playoff contention.
Apparently it did matter because we got vastly different results when he had a good supporting cast vs when he didn't.
Post by: Pope on December 29, 2014, 08:00:15 PM
Apparently it did matter because we got vastly different results when he had a good supporting cast vs when he didn't.Yea, when the Jets Defense and Running game went from best in the NFL to mediocre the Jets missed the playoffs. Let's not act like Sanchez willed this team into the playoffs.
He absolutely played well in the playoffs but his regular season statistics are awful as a Jet.
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 08:29:32 PM
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 08:31:21 PM
You said a couple days ago you didn't want to sound like Champ. Everything you've been saying is Champ-esque lately.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 08:54:24 PM
I asked a question and you start talking about Rich Kotite.
You said a couple days ago you didn't want to sound like Champ. Everything you've been saying is Champ-esque lately.
I wasn't serious about Kotite, just pissed we fired a good coach. It's not automatic you hire a good coach, just like it's not automatic you hire a good GM. That's why when the good teams get one they keep him. That's why the playoffs always seem to be in the same places with the same people in charge of those teams.
Post by: Cane on December 29, 2014, 09:00:10 PM
That's why when the good teams get one they keep him. That's why the playoffs always seem to be in the same places with the same people in charge of those teams.
Yup. Like all those teams in the AFC that make the playoffs each year. Denver and Pittsburgh and New England and Cinci and Baltimore and New Yo... Oh. Not New York.
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 09:01:06 PM
I wasn't serious about Kotite, just pissed we fired a good coach. It's not automatic you hire a good coach, just like it's not automatic you hire a good GM. That's why when the good teams get one they keep him. That's why the playoffs always seem to be in the same places with the same people in charge of those teams.Why does every thread have to be about how great Rex was?
I get it. You love the guy. Hell, I like the guy. Let's face the facts though, you're watching highlights from 5 years ago, it feels like yesterday, and you forget how shitty the past 4 seasons have been. Just like you're waxing poetic about Vinny.
All I wanted to know is who do you want as GM and HC. Rex is gone man. He's not coming back. I don't know excrement about any possible replacements so that's why I started this thread. Nothing is bringing Rex back. Him and a sub-.500 record. We had some great moments with him, he was funny, he was a lot of things we've never had here. May Rex go on to have success somewhere else? Definite possibility.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 09:01:22 PM
Yup. Like all those teams in the AFC that make the playoffs each year. Denver and Pittsburgh and New England and Cinci and Baltimore and New Yo... Oh. Not New York.
Not again for a long time either now.
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 09:03:21 PM
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 09:04:03 PM
Not again for a long time either now.You do realize we haven't been in the playoffs for 4 years now, right?
I mean, this is laughable, you make seem like Rex presided over a dynasty when we made the playoffs 2 out of 6 years. That's one/third of his years here.
Post by: Cane on December 29, 2014, 09:05:05 PM
Not again for a long time either now.
At least we'll have new excuses as to why the team sucks vs the same old Rex lines.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 09:11:40 PM
Why does every thread have to be about how great Rex was?
I get it. You love the guy. Hell, I like the guy. Let's face the facts though, you're watching highlights from 5 years ago, it feels like yesterday, and you forget how shitty the past 4 seasons have been. Just like you're waxing poetic about Vinny.
All I wanted to know is who do you want as GM and HC. Rex is gone man. He's not coming back. I don't know excrement about any possible replacements so that's why I started this thread. Nothing is bringing Rex back. Him and a sub-.500 record. We had some great moments with him, he was funny, he was a lot of things we've never had here. May Rex go on to have success somewhere else? Definite possibility.
Because I've seen a lot of guys come through here and do nothing. It's rare someone comes in and does what Rex did, rare as in Parcells, him and that's it.
As far as who I want next, no idea. My biggest issue is I have zero faith in Woody to get it right. Zero. These consultants don't give two shits about Woody or the Jets, if the Saints or anyone else called it's all the same to them. I like Woody too, he seems to care and spends the money be a successful team, but he's just kind of a buffoon. Couldn't talk for ten minutes without putting his foot in his mouth and having to call Kraft to try to avoid a problem.
So we had one guy who knew football and had respect around the league--flaws and all--so it makes no sense to get rid of him. With our cap space and a high pick I had more faith in Rex to fix it than Woody or anyone he's talked into hiring by people whose loyalty is not to the Jets.
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 09:13:44 PM
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 09:16:29 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 09:17:58 PM
So you wanted to keep Idzik as the general manager?
No, that's the only bright side to this. I mentioned before all this had they kept Idzik and fired Rex I'd have lost my excrement. This isn't me losing my excrement, this is me being pissed that we're back to square one for the 100th time in my life which is beginning to get to the late innings.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 29, 2014, 09:18:34 PM
Not again for a long time either now.
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Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
You do realize that Herm Edwards made the playoffs just as many times as Rex too. Less years as well. Should we have kept him too?
Herm made it more times (3) but won half as many games. And he had way better QBs, give Rex Vinny or Chad and we probably win one of the AFC Championship Games if not the Super Bowl.
I liked Herm too, he left on his own because he wanted to be in KC rather than here. Let the season go to excrement and lied about it to the very end too, so once all that came to light I was glad he left. That's the other thing, Parcells, Belichick, Groh and Herm all left for a job they wanted more, which gets back to the loyalty I was talking about which Woody doesn't always get even from the people he does hire.
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 09:23:13 PM
No, that's the only bright side to this. I mentioned before all this had they kept Idzik and fired Rex I'd have lost my excrement. This isn't me losing my excrement, this is me being pissed that we're back to square one for the 100th time in my life which is beginning to get to the late innings.I've been here since 82 myself, so it's not like I haven't been through this myself almost as long as you.
Rex wasn't making it through 3 GMs. I don't think any coach can boast that. Like I said, Edwards made the playoffs 3 out of 5 years compared to Rex's 2 out of 6. Edwards' playoff history was 60% compared to Rex's 33%. You want consistency from Woody? I've said this numerous times, it ain't happening.
Post by: guinness77 on December 29, 2014, 09:25:49 PM
Post by: Cane on December 29, 2014, 09:26:47 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 29, 2014, 09:27:39 PM
This is a never ending discussion. This is a results driven business and when you don't make the playoffs 4 years in a row, you're probably going to get fired no matter who you are or what you did your first two years here.
oh but...Rex wasn't given probowl caliber players at every position. It's not his fault.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 09:27:49 PM
I've been here since 82 myself, so it's not like I haven't been through this myself almost as long as you.
Rex wasn't making it through 3 GMs. I don't think any coach can boast that. Like I said, Edwards made the playoffs 3 out of 5 years compared to Rex's 2 out of 6. Edwards' playoff history was 60% compared to Rex's 33%. You want consistency from Woody? I've said this numerous times, it ain't happening.
Edwards wasn't fired, he left. He also had 6-10 and 4-12 seasons when Pennington was injured, Rex never had a Pennington to begin with.
Post by: MBGreen on December 29, 2014, 09:31:01 PM
Because he was leaving they worked out a trade. And we got more value for Herm than we got for Revis.
lol
Are you going to be a sour fart for the rest of the offseason?
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 09:33:35 PM
lol
Are you going to be a sour fart for the rest of the offseason?
More than likely I'm not even going to be here, I wasn't last off season either. No offense but I'm not arguing all winter with people over prospects etc I know nothing about. I'll check in during the draft to see Heismanberg talk all these guys up before they disappoint us and be back for the summer. And the history thread looks like it will trickle on for a few more weeks.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 09:40:28 PM
My hope for winning the Super Bowl is still mostly personal fulfillment, but I'm at like 10% hoping we do it to come back and post "LOL" in this thread.
I hope we do it too, but I just don't see it happening. I don't even see us winning a division now until Belichick and Brady retire, which is going to be five more years. You can win the Super Bowl without the division of course but we've been banging our head on that wall for over a decade now with no luck.
Post by: insanity on December 29, 2014, 11:36:00 PM
More than likely I'm not even going to be here, I wasn't last off season either. No offense but I'm not arguing all winter with people over prospects etc I know nothing about. I'll check in during the draft to see Heismanberg talk all these guys up before they disappoint us and be back for the summer. And the history thread looks like it will trickle on for a few more weeks.
Thank god. Your misery and opinions on what we should have done with management are draining
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 29, 2014, 11:37:29 PM
Thank god. Your misery and opinions on what we should have done with management are draining
Just for that maybe I'll stay. Reading opinions you don't like is good exercise for your mind anyway, looks like you need some.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 07:36:51 AM
Just for that maybe I'll stay. Reading opinions you don't like is good exercise for your mind anyway, looks like you need some.
Here I was all my ball busting would go to waste. Stay please.......
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2014, 07:44:44 AM
Nobody here should want anyone to leave. That's just stupid. Especially not the man with the nice earring.
Get the freak out, guinness.
Post by: guinness77 on December 30, 2014, 07:45:27 AM
Get the freak out, guinness.You're nothing without me. Nothing.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 07:47:04 AM
Nobody here should want anyone to leave. That's just stupid. Especially not the man with the nice earring.
I wasn't talking about leaving in some kind of a huff, I just don't post a lot in the off season. Last year I went months without visiting here. You forget how long the off season is.
Post by: guinness77 on December 30, 2014, 07:51:10 AM
I wasn't talking about leaving in some kind of a huff, I just don't post a lot in the off season. Last year I went months without visiting here. You forget how long the off season is.Wasn't really about what you said. I may not have agreed with a lot of what you were posting yesterday, but I would never agree with what insanity posted.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 09:37:12 AM
As has been said, we'd need to bring in a good offensive mind. That was a key failure for Rex, but it doesn't mean it is inevitable for someone else.
Easier said than done. Marty is a pretty well respected offensive coach, didn't do well as a head coach but I thought he was pretty good. Again, he had Geno running his ship. Rex inherited Schottenheimer, who for a while was considered a "hot" coordinator and we won a lot with him the first two years. The only real mistake was Sparano, who they got rid of after one year.
Post by: insanity on December 30, 2014, 09:38:27 AM
Wasn't really about what you said. I may not have agreed with a lot of what you were posting yesterday, but I would never agree with what insanity posted.
Everyone's all sensitive and excrement. Sheesh
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2014, 09:41:51 AM
Easier said than done. Marty is a pretty well respected offensive coach, didn't do well as a head coach but I thought he was pretty good. Again, he had Geno running his ship. Rex inherited Schottenheimer, who for a while was considered a "hot" coordinator and we won a lot with him the first two years. The only real mistake was Sparano, who they got rid of after one year.
Morninwhig was the one who was banging his hand against the table to draft Geno....you know that, right?
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 09:43:25 AM
Morninwhig was the one who was banging his hand against the table to draft Geno....you know that, right?
He shouldn't be a GM then, but he's a good OC. Pretty sure he went 0-16 as a head coach too. That's an example of a guy who's ceiling is a coordinator, not Rex.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 30, 2014, 09:46:42 AM
Heyyyy...you're figuring it out.
I would take Rex over all of the HC candidates mentioned so far besides maybe Bowles and Quinn. and they only way I want them is if they come with a legit OC. (Haven't heard anything mentioned so far about who will run our offense next year)
not everyone is brainwashed into thinking that no matter who the Jets hire next, as long as it isn't Rex, will be an upgrade.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2014, 09:47:15 AM
He shouldn't be a GM then, but he's a good OC. Pretty sure he went 0-16 as a head coach too. That's an example of a guy who's ceiling is a coordinator, not Rex.
huh?
Marty came away from Geno Smith's pro day impressed...and fought hard to get the Jets to draft him.
Marty should've hailed a cab right beside Idzik yesterday.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 09:48:15 AM
I would take Rex over all of the HC candidates mentioned so far besides maybe Bowles and Quinn. and they only way I want them is if they come with a legit OC. (Haven't heard anything mentioned so far about who will run our offense next year)
not everyone is brainwashed into thinking that no matter who the Jets hire next, as long as it isn't Rex, will be an upgrade.
It's almost guaranteed to be a downgrade.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2014, 09:48:31 AM
Knowing you're never serious brings a lot of clarity to the rest of your posts.
the fact that you're serious about keeping Rex despite the dumpster fire the last 4 years, says a lot about yours too.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2014, 09:50:05 AM
I would take Rex over all of the HC candidates mentioned so far besides maybe Bowles and Quinn. and they only way I want them is if they come with a legit OC. (Haven't heard anything mentioned so far about who will run our offense next year)
not everyone is brainwashed into thinking that no matter who the Jets hire next, as long as it isn't Rex, will be an upgrade.
The team needed a change. Rex has had multiple chances.
You guys keep blaming everybody else. At some point, the HC has to take responsibility.
And yes, i realize Idzik is a POS too.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 10:06:42 AM
Post by: guinness77 on December 30, 2014, 10:41:23 AM
Everyone's all sensitive and excrement. SheeshI agreed with the crux of what you were saying, just wouldn't want someone to jump ship because of differing opinions. I pretty much figured IS wouldn't go anyway.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 30, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
The team needed a change. Rex has had multiple chances.
You guys keep blaming everybody else. At some point, the HC has to take responsibility.
And yes, i realize Idzik is a POS too.
This is the part people keep ignoring. I love Rex as a coach. I wanted desperately for it to work here because of the way the players love him and want to win for him. I've loved watching the defense. However, at some point you have to stop pointing fingers at everyone else for the offensive woes and look at the HC's input. I really think he'll be a better coach in his next spot because he's going to have to finally wake up and realize that he can't build an entire team around his defense. It only worked when we had an offense largely carried over from the previous regime. He plugged in HIS quarterback, then he promptly ignored the offense the rest of his tenure. It worked in year one and two, so why should I push for more help on offense? The offense deteriorated and he never stepped in and fixed that. 5 straight drafts, 6 straight first round picks, all defense, and we weren't even a great defense this season. Eventually that falls on the common denominator through the years.
Again, it sucks because I have little doubt he's going to be successful in his next job. He'll AGAIN step in somewhere with an established offense, he'll again install his defense, and he'll again get those players to play up for him. It's just too late here.
Post by: Cane on December 30, 2014, 11:16:21 AM
The offense deteriorated and he never stepped in and fixed that. 5 straight drafts, 6 straight first round picks, all defense, and we weren't even a great defense this season. Eventually that falls on the common denominator through the years.
Iggy, you CLEARLY have no idea what you're talking about. The Head Coach's job is only to call defensive plays. It is certainly not to consult at all with the offense, free agents who are brought in or sent away, or draft selections. Get it together.
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2014, 11:27:28 AM
He shouldn't be a GM then, but he's a good OC. Pretty sure he went 0-16 as a head coach too. That's an example of a guy who's ceiling is a coordinator, not Rex.
He didn't. That was Rod Marinelli.
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2014, 11:43:30 AM
Actually...we didn't.
Making definitive statements about things that are still up in the air... prrrrt
If they bring in someone who brings us more success than Rex, good move. If not, DIAF.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 12:01:36 PM
It's less about her putting her foot down and more about the relationship being more important to him than the bottle. As you know, there are degrees of alcoholic and without knowing where McLoughlan is on the scale it's impossible to say what the likelihood of him flaming out is.
I have only been around hard core's from my days working a CD unit, a long time ago.
Edit: I didn't include Guinness and SJ. lol
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 30, 2014, 12:06:34 PM
It's less about her putting her foot down and more about the relationship being more important to him than the bottle. As you know, there are degrees of alcoholic and without knowing where McLoughlan is on the scale it's impossible to say what the likelihood of him flaming out is.
Yes. Wasn't trying to suggest he was going to do something he didn't want to. Better put right here.
Post by: Koz on December 30, 2014, 12:23:26 PM
I have only been around hard core's from my days working a CD unit, a long time ago.
Edit: I didn't include Guinness and SJ. lol
CD code for Cross-Dressing?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
CD code for Cross-Dressing?
rooster dependency.
Post by: ScotlandJet on December 30, 2014, 12:52:27 PM
rooster dependency.
poopchute. Just because I'm not posting don't think I don't read every post.
I am on a self prohibitive post campaign to save me getting in to some serious fall outs with half this board- ( probably 90%) on the back of Rex's departure.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 30, 2014, 12:57:27 PM
poopchute. Just because I'm not posting don't think I don't read every post.
I am on a self prohibitive post campaign to save me getting in to some serious fall outs with half this board- ( probably 90%) on the back of Rex's departure.
I really don't think you need to worry about that.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 01:01:51 PM
poopchute. Just because I'm not posting don't think I don't read every post.
I am on a self prohibitive post campaign to save me getting in to some serious fall outs with half this board- ( probably 90%) on the back of Rex's departure.
See between Rex and I, you have a serious CD issue yourself. haha
Post by: ScotlandJet on December 30, 2014, 01:06:59 PM
See between Rex and I, you have a serious CD issue yourself. haha
No. I refuse to engage. Any further dialogue will continue through my best buddy Italian Seafood.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2014, 01:10:38 PM
No. I refuse to engage. Any further dialogue will continue through my best buddy Italian Seafood.
You two could share these:
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Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 01:12:02 PM
No. I refuse to engage. Any further dialogue will continue through my best buddy Italian Seafood.
As a peace offering I will now post Rex 1000 times:
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Post by: ScotlandJet on December 30, 2014, 01:18:33 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2014, 01:20:20 PM
I'm in the huff and only bringing back Dan Dierdorf for next year will salve the pain.
Maybe this pic of Dan Dierdorf orgasming will provide you some consolation.
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Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2014, 01:21:07 PM
Iggy, you CLEARLY have no idea what you're talking about. The Head Coach's job is only to call defensive plays. It is certainly not to consult at all with the offense, free agents who are brought in or sent away, or draft selections. Get it together.
That's a gross misrepresentation of the argument you're insulting.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 01:21:14 PM
I'm in the huff and only bringing back Dan Dierdorf for next year will salve the pain.
There has to be a better salve than that.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 30, 2014, 01:22:40 PM
No. I refuse to engage. Any further dialogue will continue through my best buddy Italian Seafood.
I have far too much respect for you to think that you'd throw a tantrum like IS has been. Dialogue would be a drastic and welcome improvement on that front.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 01:27:38 PM
I have far too much respect for you to think that you'd throw a tantrum like IS has been. Dialogue would be a drastic and welcome improvement on that front.
I believe in dialogue as well:
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Post by: ScotlandJet on December 30, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
I believe in dialogue as well:
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poopchute! This is a serious breach of the homie code!
I paid my fine let move on!
Post by: ScotlandJet on December 30, 2014, 01:34:42 PM
I have far too much respect for you to think that you'd throw a tantrum like IS has been. Dialogue would be a drastic and welcome improvement on that front.
Don't worry I couldn't miss my daily fix of JO.
Seafood and I, because of our senior years have seen this all before which is our bone of contention. SOJ
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 01:35:08 PM
poopchute! This is a serious breach of the homie code!
I paid my fine let move on!
Dialogue babbie dialogue.
Post by: ScotlandJet on December 30, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
Maybe this pic of Dan Dierdorf orgasming will provide you some consolation.
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Bring back Dan.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 01:35:56 PM
Don't worry I couldn't miss my daily fix of JO.
Seafood and I, because of our senior years have seen this all before which is our bone of contention. SOJ
We know you 2 homo's real bone of contention, liar.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 30, 2014, 01:38:34 PM
Don't worry I couldn't miss my daily fix of JO.
Seafood and I, because of our senior years have seen this all before which is our bone of contention. SOJ
So you too believe it's certainty that we'll have 5 years of absolute failure and are doomed to hire Rich Kotite 2.0? That we can't possibly make good hires right now?
Post by: ScotlandJet on December 30, 2014, 01:43:58 PM
So you too believe it's certainty that we'll have 5 years of absolute failure and are doomed to hire Rich Kotite 2.0? That we can't possibly make good hires right now?
I wish I was wrong but when you have lived through these years it's hard to see any light.
I honestly believe Rex was the best thing to happen to the Jets since Curtis Martin.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 01:46:25 PM
So you too believe it's certainty that we'll have 5 years of absolute failure and are doomed to hire Rich Kotite 2.0? That we can't possibly make good hires right now?
With nobody in place for any job right now it's theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. We're back to Woody swimming with sharks wearing his pink and blue life raft, hoping one of these old codgers will push him in the right direction. Once you guys get a handle on what's in store for us you'll understand where I'm coming from.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 01:48:41 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 30, 2014, 01:57:59 PM
I wish I was wrong but when you have lived through these years it's hard to see any light.
I honestly believe Rex was the best thing to happen to the Jets since Curtis Martin.
I don't even know if I disagree with that. However, I spent years placing blame on everyone else for our offensive problems, and ultimately the head coach HAS TO step in and take responsibility for the offense. 2 separate GMs went for nothing but defense for 6 straight first rounders? The offense fell off as members of the pre-Rex personnel started to disappear? The guy is a GREAT motivator and a great defensive mind. He just needs to learn what an offense is, how it works, and how to care. Getting fired may have been the best thing to happen to him. I wish he had done this elsewhere and was coming to us as a second chance. Maybe his issues would have been solved.
Post by: Cane on December 30, 2014, 01:58:24 PM
With nobody in place for any job right now it's theoretically possible but it's not going to happen. We're back to Woody swimming with sharks wearing his pink and blue life raft, hoping one of these old codgers will push him in the right direction. Once you guys get a handle on what's in store for us you'll understand where I'm coming from.
Oh no!! I sure hope it's not four years without making the playoffs!!
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 02:06:23 PM
Post by: Cane on December 30, 2014, 02:07:28 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 02:07:49 PM
Trolling isn't as fun in one thread.
No in fact it sucks.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2014, 02:21:26 PM
It's almost guaranteed to be a downgrade.
oh my god
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2014, 02:30:18 PM
Post by: hawk on December 30, 2014, 02:35:01 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
The reasoning behind firing Ryan is getting more and more clear. Great decision!
Oh geez not you HawkSeafood or ScotlandHawk
Post by: Libero_2 on December 30, 2014, 03:38:44 PM
IS who can we hire that might get you to come back from the ledge?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 30, 2014, 03:40:22 PM
Hey what the hell this made all the crosstalk and ball busting irrelevant. freak yourself whoever moved this.
You're welcome.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 04:51:33 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 05:07:56 PM
Out of curiosity,
IS who can we hire that might get you to come back from the ledge?
Not to say there are no good candidates but replacing who we had to make the team better is a tall order. I'm hoping we get a good GM first and foremost because he'll be choosing the coach and players. We're not even going to know if they're any good until we get to the season and see how it all looks in games.
Seriously I would have let Rex be his own GM and let him fix it or blow himself up on his own. Between his own experience, his brother and his dad he knows everyone in the league, players, coaches etc. He had Woody's back, now we have to hope Woody can get it right on his own. So far, one day in, he's done one dumb thing already, so it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 30, 2014, 05:22:15 PM
Not to say there are no good candidates but replacing who we had to make the team better is a tall order. I'm hoping we get a good GM first and foremost because he'll be choosing the coach and players. We're not even going to know if they're any good until we get to the season and see how it all looks in games.
Seriously I would have let Rex be his own GM and let him fix it or blow himself up on his own. Between his own experience, his brother and his dad he knows everyone in the league, players, coaches etc. He had Woody's back, now we have to hope Woody can get it right on his own. So far, one day in, he's done one dumb thing already, so it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.
You would let a guy who had no interest in the offense handle personnel? Knowing how he falls in love with certain players, you'd let him negotiate contracts? He gets the most out of his players because he can create the image that he's one of them, a guy they can relate to. As soon as he's the one on the other side of that table, a lot of that goes away. I can't think of a worse place for Rex to go than a GM/HC. The only guy with that title right now is Belichick, and it suits him because he's the polar opposite of Rex.
Post by: Johnny English on December 30, 2014, 05:25:34 PM
Looks like I started a thread though. Crafty.
Given you're pretty much the only person left who still wants to debate Rex, it seems appropriate.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 05:26:36 PM
You would let a guy who had no interest in the offense handle personnel? Knowing how he falls in love with certain players, you'd let him negotiate contracts? He gets the most out of his players because he can create the image that he's one of them, a guy they can relate to. As soon as he's the one on the other side of that table, a lot of that goes away. I can't think of a worse place for Rex to go than a GM/HC. The only guy with that title right now is Belichick, and it suits him because he's the polar opposite of Rex.
A lot of good coaches prefer to select their own players. If anything Idzik should have been just a cap guy with a football coach making football decisions.
Too late for that now. Woody now has to get it right twice, good luck. Hoping he fucks up less with the GM because that will have a worse effect.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 30, 2014, 05:30:32 PM
Given you're pretty much the only person left who still wants to debate Rex, it seems appropriate.
No problem. I think ScotsJet is with me.
Seems the mindset of a Jet fan is directly proportional to how much longer you expect to live.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 05:35:56 PM
You're welcome.
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Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 30, 2014, 05:40:48 PM
A lot of good coaches prefer to select their own players. If anything Idzik should have been just a cap guy with a football coach making football decisions.
Too late for that now. Woody now has to get it right twice, good luck. Hoping he fucks up less with the GM because that will have a worse effect.
Rex got to pick his own players. That's why we took 6 straight defensive players in the first round. It's also how we ended up with Sanchez, his ONLY offensive first rounder, after he took a number of visits to LA and told him point blank "we're going to do what it takes to get you". Thankfully he had Tannenbaum and his connection to Mangini to make that happen.
The guy gets his players. That's part of the problem. It's been a one-sided team. That's the biggest complaint about Rex. I liked having him as our head coach, but our offense deteriorated during his time here. That's not just a bit of a knock, it's a massive problem. If he had been interested in the offense, we probably would have continued to improve instead of dying.
Post by: Badger on December 30, 2014, 06:59:01 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2014, 07:02:31 PM
Should I go back and read the last 5 pages or should I just jam a cotton swab soaked in Tabasco in my urethra?
Yes
Post by: Laxin on December 30, 2014, 07:11:21 PM
Seriously I would have let Rex be his own GM and let him fix it or blow himself up on his own.
I think the thread should have just been ended here.
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2014, 08:17:49 AM
RT @JoeFortenbaugh: The Dolphins recently made Rex Ryan an offer to take over the team's defense: http://shar.es/1HcLlb
this would've been bad.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2014, 08:27:50 AM
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2014, 08:30:29 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2014, 08:34:49 AM
Why would he accept a DC job while he's still interviewing for HC positions?
he's not.
But if he were open to working as a DC again, Miami was ready to pounce. It would've been a shitty scenario for us. I'm glad we dodged that bullet.
Post by: Tommy on December 31, 2014, 08:37:37 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2014, 08:37:57 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2014, 08:43:02 AM
Would definitely be weird, but not a nightmare scenario.
Rex Ryan in Miami, only having to look after the Defense with no other responsibilities....would've been bad news for us.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 31, 2014, 09:39:22 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 31, 2014, 09:53:10 AM
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 47m47 minutes ago
RT @JoeFortenbaugh: The Dolphins recently made Rex Ryan an offer to take over the team's defense: http://shar.es/1HcLlb
Not true.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2014/12/rex-ryan-not-offered-dolphins-dc-job.html
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2014, 09:54:00 AM
Not true.Good
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2014/12/rex-ryan-not-offered-dolphins-dc-job.html
Post by: MBGreen on December 31, 2014, 09:54:35 AM
It's not like any coaches we let go ever go on to have success.Rex would have tremendous success in a DC role.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2014, 09:57:39 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 31, 2014, 10:01:49 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2014, 10:05:29 AM
That would have been a coup and a half for Philbin and would have sent the Prozac bill in the Seafood house to exorbitant levels.I disagree
It would have been a nightmare for him
Because new England would likely win the division even with Rex there
And when they get knocked out of the wildcard (if they even make the playoffs) there could be a lot of clamoring for Rex to become HC
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2014, 10:09:00 AM
Do you really trust Ross not to pull a move like that without Philbin's knowledge?
Actually, now that you mention it, he did that exact same thing to Sparano when he was wooing Harbaugh before he took the 49'ers job. You're 100% correct. My god that was an incredibly douchy thing to do and really undermined Sparano.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2014, 10:10:18 AM
I disagree
It would have been a nightmare for him
Because new England would likely win the division even with Rex there
And when they get knocked out of the wildcard (if they even make the playoffs) there could be a lot of clamoring for Rex to become HC
Lol you disagree, color me surprised. The Fins would have a great defense with Rex as a their DC, the ways he would use Wake, would make that unit formidable for sure.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2014, 10:12:10 AM
Lol you disagree, color me surprised. The Fins would have a great defense with Rex as a their DC, the ways he would use Wake, would make that unit formidable for sure.I'm not disagreeing that the defense would be elite
I'm disagreeing that a HC who is a joke and an inevitable failure (whose players frequently give up on him) , would want a DC like Rex that almost certainly would take his job at some point
Remember Miami typically has a elite or borderline elite defense and still does nothing
So Rex as a DC wouldn't carry him to a superbowl
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2014, 10:19:14 AM
I'm not disagreeing that the defense would be elite
I'm disagreeing that a HC who is a joke and an inevitable failure (whose players frequently give up on him) , would want a DC like Rex that almost certainly would take his job at some point
Remember Miami typically has a elite or borderline elite defense and still does nothing
So Rex as a DC wouldn't carry him to a superbowl
Miami's defense gave up 35 points per the last 3 weeks, they were in playoff contention. That wouldn't happen with Rex as a DC. Plus, the fins offense is decent, I think Tannenhill is improving to the middle tier say around 15th best QB. Which is a excrement ton better that what we watch on a weekly basis. So yeah I would not like that scenario at all.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 31, 2014, 10:21:56 AM
Miami's defense gave up 35 points per the last 3 weeks, they were in playoff contention. That wouldn't happen with Rex as a DC. Plus, the fins offense is decent, I think Tannenhill is improving to the middle tier say around 15th best QB. Which is a excrement ton better that what we watch on a weekly basis. So yeah I would not like that scenario at all.I wouldn't like it as a jet fan at all.
I'm saying Philbin would have to look over his shoulder because Rex WILL take his job
Post by: Heismanberg on December 31, 2014, 10:25:40 AM
Lol you disagree, color me surprised. The Fins would have a great defense with Rex as a their DC, the ways he would use Wake, would make that unit formidable for sure.
He would have Wake jam #1 receivers
Post by: Miamipuck on December 31, 2014, 11:28:50 AM
He would have Wake jam #1 receivers
I wouldn't doubt that was a big F-You to Idzik.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 31, 2014, 11:43:33 AM
He would have Wake jam #1 receivers
Maybe if all his CBs were let go again.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 31, 2014, 12:04:54 PM
Maybe if all his CBs were let go again.
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Post by: Italian Seafood on December 31, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
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Another quality answer.
Post by: Laxin on December 31, 2014, 03:40:42 PM
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Is she wiping Rex's money shot off her face?
Post by: Libero_2 on December 31, 2014, 03:42:52 PM
Is she wiping Rex's money shot off her face?
Can't be, that's on her feet
Post by: Laxin on December 31, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
Can't be, that's on her feet
IS must be jealous
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on December 31, 2014, 03:46:12 PM
Another quality answer.
Thank you for the affirmation.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 06, 2015, 02:45:50 PM
A really long but good article on Rex Ryan, it basically compiles all the good/bad from the last 6 years, enjoy. (http://grantland.com/features/rexs-last-stand/)
Post by: NDMick on January 06, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
Here is some masturbatory material for Italian Seafood:
A really long but good article on Rex Ryan, it basically compiles all the good/bad from the last 6 years, enjoy. (http://grantland.com/features/rexs-last-stand/)
Good article.
It was a fun trip down memory lane.
I wouldn't be shocked if he did win somewhere else with a QB who can play and an OC who isn't pathetic.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 06, 2015, 03:30:01 PM
Good article.
It was a fun trip down memory lane.
I wouldn't be shocked if he did win somewhere else with a QB who can play and an OC who isn't pathetic.
I agree. I don't think Marty is a bad OC, he had a terrible QB until his last game and even in that one he managed to give away 7 points.
Post by: NDMick on January 06, 2015, 03:38:55 PM
I agree. I don't think Marty is a bad OC, he had a terrible QB until his last game and even in that one he managed to give away 7 points.
Imagine Carson Palmer here instead of Arizona?
Post by: Badger on January 06, 2015, 07:17:55 PM
I agree. I don't think Marty is a bad OC, he had a terrible QB until his last game and even in that one he managed to give away 7 points.
My biggest problem with Marty was his input on making the Geno pick.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 06, 2015, 07:47:31 PM
My biggest problem with Marty was his input on making the Geno pick.
Yeah, I'm not up to speed on all that stuff. I'm basing it on the offense and play calls on the field. I mean you never like every call but he was the best OC we've had in a while.
Post by: Johnny English on January 06, 2015, 10:26:15 PM
Post by: Laxin on January 06, 2015, 10:34:30 PM
Rex is interviewing with Buffalo on Thursday. I reckon the odds on Atlanta offering him the job tomorrow just shortened.
Lol at the thought of Rex developing EJ Manuel
Post by: Badger on January 06, 2015, 10:42:23 PM
Lol at the thought of Rex developing EJ Manuel
You mean replacing.
Post by: Johnny English on January 06, 2015, 10:55:40 PM
You mean replacing.
He'd probably be better at QB than Manuel.
Post by: NDMick on January 06, 2015, 11:14:08 PM
Yeah, I'm not up to speed on all that stuff. I'm basing it on the offense and play calls on the field. I mean you never like every call but he was the best OC we've had in a while.
Marty was the reason why Geno is behind Center. That's his draft pick.
He essentially got Rex fired.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 06, 2015, 11:17:35 PM
Marty was the reason why Geno is behind Center. That's his draft pick.
He essentially got Rex fired.
Ryan got himself fired for turning his back on the offense and the draft.
Idzik and Ryan put Sanchez into a meaningless preseason game.
Post by: Badger on January 06, 2015, 11:18:57 PM
Post by: Cane on January 07, 2015, 04:59:39 AM
He'd probably be better at QB than Manuel.
I really don't get the EJ hate. They benched him because Marrone wanted a mediocre game manager type, not a young kid who was learning. That doesn't mean he's awful. I think he's easily salvageable as a good player with a decent staff in place.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2015, 07:32:53 AM
I really don't get the EJ hate. They benched him because Marrone wanted a mediocre game manager type, not a young kid who was learning. That doesn't mean he's awful. I think he's easily salvageable as a good player with a decent staff in place.
So you mean someone other than Rex?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 07, 2015, 08:11:04 AM
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Post by: dcm1602 on January 07, 2015, 10:07:41 AM
Atlanta are bringing Rex back for a second interview.He's gonna win the superbowl in his first year there
Post by: NDMick on January 07, 2015, 10:19:37 AM
He's gonna win the superbowl in his first year there
Wouldn't be surprised if he got them deep into the playoffs.
I want Rex to go there because his press conferences about his WRs will be hilarious. He'll be masturbating to Julio Jones, White.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 10:20:37 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if he got them deep into the playoffs.
I want Rex to go there because his press conferences about his WRs will be hilarious. He'll be masturbating to Julio Jones, White.
I would like to see him out of the AFC. In that division he could be back in the playoffs easily next year.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 07, 2015, 10:22:00 AM
Wouldn't be surprised if he got them deep into the playoffs.How long White's there is to be seen
I want Rex to go there because his press conferences about his WRs will be hilarious. He'll be masturbating to Julio Jones, White.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2015, 10:35:46 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2015, 11:14:45 AM
I would like to see him out of the AFC. In that division he could be back in the playoffs easily next year.
I agree.
Unless we start seeing M.Ryan lined up as a WR in the Wildcat
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 11:28:22 AM
I agree.
Unless we start seeing M.Ryan lined up as a WR in the Wildcat
With a real QB he might not have to resort to that. It's a shame we never got him one.
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2015, 11:30:01 AM
With a real QB he might not have to resort to that. It's a shame we never got him one.
We never got him one?
He was front and center when the Jets decided to trade up for Mark Sanchez.
Post by: Tommy on January 07, 2015, 11:31:28 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2015, 11:33:05 AM
I wonder if Rex will try and grab Thurman and Dunbar. The Jets may decide to keep them, and Thurman may want to stay on as defensive coordinator to prove himself in that role, rather than continue being in Rex's shadow.
I would expect a new DC and OC once the Jets figure out the GM/HC positions.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2015, 11:45:37 AM
Thurman may want to stay on as defensive coordinator
no way we keep that puppet
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 12:09:26 PM
We never got him one?
He was front and center when the Jets decided to trade up for Mark Sanchez.
We tried, but never got him a QB as good as Matt Ryan, no. Tried twice.
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2015, 12:12:37 PM
We tried, but never got him a QB as good as Matt Ryan, no. Tried twice.
He was involved in the evaluation and decision to draft Mark Sanchez. If i'm not mistaken, you're saying that the Jets never provided Rex a franchise QB...like he was abstracted from that process altogether.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 12:18:59 PM
He was involved in the evaluation and decision to draft Mark Sanchez. If i'm not mistaken, you're saying that the Jets never provided Rex a franchise QB...like he was abstracted from that process altogether.
No, I'm saying it never worked out, in part because we cut him at 26 years old or whatever it was to go with Geno. So the collective "we", as in the Jets, Rex included, never got a really good QB while he was here. Sanchez was good enough that we could win with him, obviously because we did, but not the caliber of Matt Ryan. And after five years of working with him they cut him to go with someone worse.
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2015, 12:28:47 PM
No, I'm saying it never worked out, in part because we cut him at 26 years old or whatever it was to go with Geno. So the collective "we", as in the Jets, Rex included, never got a really good QB while he was here. Sanchez was good enough that we could win with him, obviously because we did, but not the caliber of Matt Ryan. And after five years of working with him they cut him to go with someone worse.
We masked Sanchez's shortcomings with a solid run game and defense. As soon as he was relied upon to make plays like every other franchise QB is tasked with, he failed. Yes i know about the lack of talent...that's only part of the problem. Coaching certainly factored in there as well. Which is why Rex is unemployed right now.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 12:33:42 PM
We masked Sanchez's shortcomings with a solid run game and defense. As soon as he was relied upon to make plays like every other franchise QB is tasked with, he failed.
Exactly. Good coaching enabled us to win with a rookie QB who was not only a rookie, he was limited in ability although nobody realized it then.
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Yes i know about the lack of talent...that's only part of the problem. Coaching certainly factored in there as well. Which is why Rex is unemployed right now.
And here you completely contradict the first half of your post. "We" masked his shortcomings? Would that be us here or the coaches? And when they had to rely on Sanchez to step up he didn't do it, then they became bad coaches? Again, you can mask someone's shortcomings if you're a good coach, but you can't make somebody into something they aren't.
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2015, 12:36:32 PM
Exactly. Good coaching enabled us to win with a rookie QB who was not only a rookie, he was limited in ability although nobody realized it then.
And here you completely contradict the first half of your post. "We" masked his shortcomings? Would that be us here or the coaches? And when they had to rely on Sanchez to step up he didn't do it, then they became bad coaches? Again, you can mask someone's shortcomings if you're a good coach, but you can't make somebody into something they aren't.
Rex had some really good players in 2009 and 2010 that surrounded Sanchez. But they were already in place when he arrived. As soon as he got ahold of that roster, it started to decline.
I mean...he decided to cut Cotchery in favor of his boi from Baltimore, Derrick Mason.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2015, 12:36:51 PM
he was limited in ability although nobody realized it then.
not physically
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2015, 12:39:15 PM
The Jets, thankfully, decided to go in a different directon because Rex hasn't done squat in 4 years. Secondguess it until you're blue in the face, it's not going to change anything.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 07, 2015, 12:44:47 PM
impressive hubris
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2015, 12:47:37 PM
did you just post and then quote yourself?
impressive hubris
what the freak.....stupid SMF technology.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 12:55:23 PM
Rex had some really good players in 2009 and 2010 that surrounded Sanchez. But they were already in place when he arrived. As soon as he got ahold of that roster, it started to decline.
I mean...he decided to cut Cotchery in favor of his boi from Baltimore, Derrick Mason.
Cotchery left on his own. We had the O line, Keller and Thomas Jones in place. We got Sanchez, Greene, Edwards, Holmes and LT to replace Jones after Rex got here. The first game of 2009 Chanci Stuckey was one of our go to WRs, we improved that with Rex here and then it went down hill when they gave Holmes the big contract and Edwards and Cotchery went elsewhere. It's a high turnover league, that is going to happen.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 12:58:13 PM
not physically
Definitely, and still not physically. It's not crazy to think he would cut down on the mistakes and become a good QB, he still could. He just hasn't. That's why I was against cutting him and committing to Geno, not that Sanchez was the greatest QB in the world but he was here, we spent a lot of time on him and he was still probably our best option going into this year.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2015, 01:03:11 PM
Cotchery left on his own. We had the O line, Keller and Thomas Jones in place. We got Sanchez, Greene, Edwards, Holmes and LT to replace Jones after Rex got here. The first game of 2009 Chanci Stuckey was one of our go to WRs, we improved that with Rex here and then it went down hill when they gave Holmes the big contract and Edwards and Cotchery went elsewhere. It's a high turnover league, that is going to happen.
I call bullshit. He was marginalized by really poor personnel decisions by Rex. It was the start of the precipitous downfall of the offense. He was forced out, no and's, if's, or but's.
To say he asked for his release willy nilly is a poor rewrite of history.
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2015, 01:04:30 PM
Cotchery left on his own. We had the O line, Keller and Thomas Jones in place. We got Sanchez, Greene, Edwards, Holmes and LT to replace Jones after Rex got here. The first game of 2009 Chanci Stuckey was one of our go to WRs, we improved that with Rex here and then it went down hill when they gave Holmes the big contract and Edwards and Cotchery went elsewhere. It's a high turnover league, that is going to happen.
Cotchery left because dumbfuck Rex decided to drop him in the depth chart. Brilliant move by a coach who knows what he's doing.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 01:10:37 PM
Cotchery left because dumbfuck Rex decided to drop him in the depth chart. Brilliant move by a coach who knows what he's doing.
Hindsight is 20/20. When you look at 2010 Holmes and Edwards were huge weapons, Edwards throughout 2009 and 2010, and both were younger. Holmes had been a Super Bowl MVP, you can't keep everyone. I liked Cotchery too, if I remember correctly he didn't think he was going to get a lot of time behind those guys, then we got Plaxico to replace Edwards.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2015, 01:12:37 PM
Hindsight is 20/20. When you look at 2010 Holmes and Edwards were huge weapons, Edwards throughout 2009 and 2010, and both were younger. Holmes had been a Super Bowl MVP, you can't keep everyone. I liked Cotchery too, if I remember correctly he didn't think he was going to get a lot of time behind those guys, then we got Plaxico to replace Edwards.
He was fine with being #3, for freak sake he went to Pittsburgh and was the #4 or #5 just to get the freak out of town.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 01:13:06 PM
He was fine with being #3, for freak sake he went to Pittsburgh and was the #4 or #5 just to get the freak out of town.
That's a shame.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2015, 01:14:09 PM
That's a shame.
I agree it was but it was all Rex's fault. No Mason and Cotchery may still be here.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 07, 2015, 01:25:36 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2015, 01:25:49 PM
Hindsight is 20/20. When you look at 2010 Holmes and Edwards were huge weapons, Edwards throughout 2009 and 2010, and both were younger. Holmes had been a Super Bowl MVP, you can't keep everyone. I liked Cotchery too, if I remember correctly he didn't think he was going to get a lot of time behind those guys, then we got Plaxico to replace Edwards.
Yet Cotchery is still in the league, unlike those 2.
Post by: Ornstein on January 07, 2015, 02:29:17 PM
Yet Cotchery is still in the league, unlike those 2.
Amazing what happens when you're quiet and reliable.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2015, 02:34:00 PM
Amazing what happens when you're quiet and reliable.
Yeah you get replaced by a gay dude, a guy who shot himself, and a straight up poopchute.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 02:37:24 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2015, 02:46:21 PM
I like Cotchery as much as anyone but I don't think losing a #3 WR really changed the trajectory of our team. That was the same year we drafted Kerley, Mason was here about two games. The problem was Holmes didn't live up the what he needed to be as the #1 and Burress didn't replace what Edwards gave us as #2.
Sure it did by changing the trajectory of Sanchez. By basically ceding the (offensive) locker room and meeting rooms to personalities like Mason, Burress, and Holmes and letting go of a valuable safety net, they made Sanchez's job all the more difficult. Who in that WR room or group would you count on? A QB is supposed to have a rapport with his WR's, you tell me with those 3 assholes how was he going to do that?
Couple that, with the degradation of the offensive line, running backs, not getting a good tight end in an era of tight ends, and making all the wrong choices as far as offensive coaches go, it's pretty easy to see why some of us that like Rex don't like how he was at least in some part responsible for the abhorrent performance of the offense.
Post by: insanity on January 07, 2015, 02:55:48 PM
Sure it did by changing the trajectory of Sanchez. By basically ceding the (offensive) locker room and meeting rooms to personalities like Mason, Burress, and Holmes and letting go of a valuable safety net, they made Sanchez's job all the more difficult. Who in that WR room or group would you count on? A QB is supposed to have a rapport with his WR's, you tell me with those 3 assholes how was he going to do that?
Couple that, with the degradation of the offensive line, running backs, not getting a good tight end in an era of tight ends, and making all the wrong choices as far as offensive coaches go, it's pretty easy to see why some of us that like Rex don't like how he was at least in some part responsible for the abhorrent performance of the offense.
And this is exactly why Rex can't run a team. Plax and Mason may most have been signed by Rex but they were definitely Rex's guys. Your hc needs to understand the reprecussions of removing a young qbs weapons.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 03:04:27 PM
Sure it did by changing the trajectory of Sanchez. By basically ceding the (offensive) locker room and meeting rooms to personalities like Mason, Burress, and Holmes and letting go of a valuable safety net, they made Sanchez's job all the more difficult. Who in that WR room or group would you count on? A QB is supposed to have a rapport with his WR's, you tell me with those 3 assholes how was he going to do that?
Couple that, with the degradation of the offensive line, running backs, not getting a good tight end in an era of tight ends, and making all the wrong choices as far as offensive coaches go, it's pretty easy to see why some of us that like Rex don't like how he was at least in some part responsible for the abhorrent performance of the offense.
Of course he's in part responsible, but going crazy over Cotchery is missing the problem. They (the Jets as an organization, Rex included) banked on Sanchez and Holmes to give them a passing threat to go with a stout running game and D. That was the plan. Sanchez was headed into his third year in the same offense, had some success, should have taken a step forward. Holmes was coming off a big year, got a big contract, they made him a captain, had been a Super Bowl MVP. The other players all can't stay the same, that's the reality of the NFL, they thought they had the people in place to make the offense work, the people failed.
None of us know exactly what went on behind the scenes, but we know it all blew up at the end of the year with Holmes. Sanchez as the QB and Rex as the head coach needed to get that fixed before the season went down the drain, they didn't. They thought they had it smoothed over by 2012 and Holmes went down for the year in Week 4. In Week 3 they connected for a bomb to win the game in OT, that was the last time they played together. Again, hindsight is 20/20, Cotchery was great, him going to Pittsburgh isn't what ruined the team.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2015, 03:06:45 PM
And this is exactly why Rex can't run a team. Plax and Mason may most have been signed by Rex but they were definitely Rex's guys. Your hc needs to understand the reprecussions of removing a young qbs weapons.
The only thing I would say in defense of Rex is, Plax was Tanny's decision, he visited that moron in prison with Woody, which was so odd in the respect that he was an employee of the Giants.
However, to agree with you, a strong coach would have said, "no freaking way". We have a young QB and you simply can not surround him with Mason, Holmes and Plax. I think it was Rex's hubris of thinking everyone wanted to play for him and he can control them all, that allowed it. It was that year where he came across with his now famous admission that " I lost the pulse of the locker room!" Yeah no excrement, by having that collection of assholes be Sanchez's supposed lifeline. It's no wonder Sanchez regressed.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 03:09:24 PM
The only thing I would say in defense of Rex is, Plax was Tanny's decision, he visited that moron in prison with Woody, which was so odd in the respect that he was an employee of the Giants.
However, to agree with you, a strong coach would have said, "no freaking way". We have a young QB and you simply can not surround him with Mason, Holmes and Plax. I think it was Rex's hubris of thinking everyone wanted to play for him and he can control them all, that allowed it. It was that year where he came across with his now famous admission that " I lost the pulse of the locker room!" Yeah no excrement, by having that collection of assholes be Sanchez's supposed lifeline. It's no wonder Sanchez regressed.
Sanchez isn't a toddler either, some of it is on him.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2015, 03:14:17 PM
Of course he's in part responsible, but going crazy over Cotchery is missing the problem. They (the Jets as an organization, Rex included) banked on Sanchez and Holmes to give them a passing threat to go with a stout running game and D. That was the plan. Sanchez was headed into his third year in the same offense, had some success, should have taken a step forward. Holmes was coming off a big year, got a big contract, they made him a captain, had been a Super Bowl MVP. The other players all can't stay the same, that's the reality of the NFL, they thought they had the people in place to make the offense work, the people failed.
None of us know exactly what went on behind the scenes, but we know it all blew up at the end of the year with Holmes. Sanchez as the QB and Rex as the head coach needed to get that fixed before the season went down the drain, they didn't. They thought they had it smoothed over by 2012 and Holmes went down for the year in Week 4. In Week 3 they connected for a bomb to win the game in OT, that was the last time they played together. Again, hindsight is 20/20, Cotchery was great, him going to Pittsburgh isn't what ruined the team.
IS, the only one going crazy is you, defending Rex. I don't think it's possible for you to look at Rex logically or objectively. Now as far as what you posted, take the Rex lollipop out of your mouth and actually read what I said. Nowhere did I say that losing Cotchery, "ruined the team." I will quote myself as much as I hate doing it. I am saying losing Cotchery was the start of poor decisions that led to the Jets offense being a total dumpster fire and that Rex was a huge part of those decisions: Again, stop with the Red Herring's and hindsight. It isn't hindsight, it's simply put, looking at Rex's performance on that side of the ball, and objectively saying it sucked, which it did.
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Sure it did by changing the trajectory of Sanchez. By basically ceding the (offensive) locker room and meeting rooms to personalities like Mason, Burress, and Holmes and letting go of a valuable safety net, they made Sanchez's job all the more difficult. Who in that WR room or group would you count on? A QB is supposed to have a rapport with his WR's, you tell me with those 3 assholes how was he going to do that?
Couple that, with the degradation of the offensive line, running backs, not getting a good tight end in an era of tight ends, and making all the wrong choices as far as offensive coaches go, it's pretty easy to see why some of us that like Rex don't like how he was at least in some part responsible for the abhorrent performance of the offense.
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Post by: AlioTheFool on January 07, 2015, 04:01:12 PM
Losing Cotchery may have been Rex's fault. I think I remember Cotchery complaining about being basically left behind even on the practice field. Whether that was Rex or not, I don't know. I don't blame Rex or Tanny for Burress, that move--like Tebow--reeked of a certain clueless owner.
Bringing in Mason wasn't a good move either, but I don't recall that being Rex's move. I thought it was Tanny trying to make up for not having Edwards, but my memory of that is foggy.
Keeping Holmes over Edwards was a terrible move and I was vocally opposed to it at the time. That's the single biggest mistake of the Rex/Tannenbaum era. A close second was letting Dustin Keller walk. Those were Sanchez's most reliable weapons.
How much of the above was directly attributable to Rex I don't know. Apart from shoving the Wildcat down his OCs' throats, I think Rex let the offensive side of the ball handle itself under the direction of whoever was the coordinator at the time. Is that a problem? Sure. Still, I think Rex gets a lot more crap than he deserves. At some point a defensive HC has to be able to rely on his OC and that his GM will make good moves. Rex had too much trust for his own good.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 07, 2015, 06:52:56 PM
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Post by: NDMick on January 07, 2015, 07:05:21 PM
Sanchez isn't a toddler either, some of it is on him.
I agree that the kid should step up, but the Jets wrote the book on how to ruin a young QB. It was a freaking clinic on how to ruin an investment behind center.
Getting rid of team guys and replacing them with narcissistic me first retards from the Steelers/Giants junk bin was a freaking retarded idea.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 07, 2015, 07:11:18 PM
I agree that the kid should step up, but the Jets wrote the book on how to ruin a young QB. It was a freaking clinic on how to ruin an investment behind center.
Getting rid of team guys and replacing them with narcissistic me first retards from the Steelers/Giants junk bin was a freaking retarded idea.
Going from the #1 OL in the league to a flaming dumpster fire didnt help.
I think the biggest undoing of Rex's career (in NY) was drafting Sanchez. We should have stuck with a true defense heavy ground and pound approach. Which means we would have been better off with a vet QB who could have been efficient while we ran the ball 60%~ of the time.
Im not talking like grabbing Brett Favre off FA or anything, but someone like McNabb or McNair (when he was alive) would have sufficed
Pretty much Rex should have tried to remain the 09 Jets. Elite OL, slew of running backs, and good special teams + an elite defense.
Had he stuck to that we likely would have had more playoff appearances. But blowing all these resources into excrement QBs and WRs just killed us.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 10:22:01 PM
IS, the only one going crazy is you, defending Rex. I don't think it's possible for you to look at Rex logically or objectively. Now as far as what you posted, take the Rex lollipop out of your mouth and actually read what I said. Nowhere did I say that losing Cotchery, "ruined the team." I will quote myself as much as I hate doing it. I am saying losing Cotchery was the start of poor decisions that led to the Jets offense being a total dumpster fire and that Rex was a huge part of those decisions: Again, stop with the Red Herring's and hindsight. It isn't hindsight, it's simply put, looking at Rex's performance on that side of the ball, and objectively saying it sucked, which it did.
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There were a bunch of bad decisions, and I put some of the blame on Rex, but he's not the whole organization. I would be surprised if any coach went to any team for six years and didn't make some mistakes. We can peel apart every move from Tony Sparano to Tim Tebow to Derrick Mason and not know exactly who did what. We do know some players they (THEY) relied on didn't do after 2010 when they did up to that point. Sanchez and Holmes being the biggest ones on offense as I mentioned, and Wayne Hunter too. I just think it's overstated that we never had a good offense, because that's false, and that they paid no attention to it, because that's also false. A lot of the later moves didn't work as well as the early ones, but they brought in a lot of veterans to try and help the offense, probably because we've had young QBs the whole time.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 07, 2015, 10:43:31 PM
There were a bunch of bad decisions, and I put some of the blame on Rex, but he's not the whole organization. I would be surprised if any coach went to any team for six years and didn't make some mistakes. We can peel apart every move from Tony Sparano to Tim Tebow to Derrick Mason and not know exactly who did what. We do know some players they (THEY) relied on didn't do after 2010 when they did up to that point. Sanchez and Holmes being the biggest ones on offense as I mentioned, and Wayne Hunter too. I just think it's overstated that we never had a good offense, because that's false, and that they paid no attention to it, because that's also false. A lot of the later moves didn't work as well as the early ones, but they brought in a lot of veterans to try and help the offense, probably because we've had young QBs the whole time.
I am speaking strictly since 2010. Nothing Rex did earlier while good, warranted a lifetime contract and yes the blame should be shared by many people and you know what? They're all pretty much gone except for Bradway.
It's a shame they have to reset the last two years of Idzick but at least Woody recognized that mistake.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2015, 09:17:57 AM
When Rex Ryan is asked who his offensive coordinator will be as HC, 1 of his strongest pitches includes Marc Trestman. They want to pair up.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 10, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2015, 09:46:52 AM
Rex will do better in Atlanta than in NY. He'll have a good Qb. He'll still make dumb coaching moves here and there, but having a good qb will outweigh that.
if he ends up with Trestman as his OC, it's a step in the right direction. Good for him.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2015, 10:02:55 AM
if he ends up with Trestman as his OC, it's a step in the right direction. Good for him.Atlanta is gonna be a freaking crazy team
The thought of Rex Ryan with Julio Jones and matt Ryan
That's gonna be a god damn contender
Post by: Tommy on January 10, 2015, 10:11:56 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2015, 10:55:35 AM
Or he could screw everything up. I'm not sure why you're all convinced he's going to do very well in Atlanta. Sure, he may kill it but he can also suck again.
Because he's proven to be a good coach who can beat anyone anywhere if he has some players. What he lacked here he doesn't figure to lack there, what they need fixed is what he specializes in.
Post by: Tommy on January 10, 2015, 11:13:08 AM
Because he's proven to be a good coach who can beat anyone anywhere if he has some players. What he lacked here he doesn't figure to lack there, what they need fixed is what he specializes in.
This is one of the problems I have with this argument. What coach can't win with good players? Rex defenders always point out that Rex NEEDS elite DBs in order for his system to work. Well, having elite DBs would help any damn system. Rex just needs a good QB? All damn teams need good QBs.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 10, 2015, 11:14:35 AM
Because he's proven to be a good coach who can beat anyone anywhere if he has some players. What he lacked here he doesn't figure to lack there, what they need fixed is what he specializes in.
Yep. He also has an offense without much in the way of offensive personnel holes, so his greedy draft approach of loading up the defense early won't kill the team like it did here.
Post by: Badger on January 10, 2015, 11:29:03 AM
This is one of the problems I have with this argument. What coach can't win with good players?
Mike Smith
Marvin Lewis
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2015, 11:58:02 AM
This is one of the problems I have with this argument. What coach can't win with good players? Rex defenders always point out that Rex NEEDS elite DBs in order for his system to work. Well, having elite DBs would help any damn system. Rex just needs a good QB? All damn teams need good QBs.
Rex went 8-8 with a garbage team last year and one good CB, better than this year's Panthers with Cam Newton who is in the playoffs today. Most coaches can get so far, we've had guys go 9-7 and 10-6 with QBs like Vinny or Chad and max out when they hit a certain level of opponent in the playoffs. Rex is the only coach we've had to go on the road in the playoffs against superior teams with an average to below average QB and win. Not once, not twice, four times. Kill him all you want to not making the playoffs with Geno Smith and a CFL secondary, it doesn't change that fact.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2015, 11:59:22 AM
better than this year's Panthers with Cam Newton who is in the playoffs today.
The Panthers don't have any good CBs
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2015, 12:05:02 PM
The Panthers don't have any good CBs
And they're a pretty shitty team too. Put Rex in the NFC South and he's in the playoffs next year. Us on the other hand, probably not.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2015, 12:45:01 PM
And they're a pretty shitty team too. Put Rex in the NFC South and he's in the playoffs next year. Us on the other hand, probably not.
but they won a playoff game this year, so that makes Ron Rivera one of the greatest coaches of all-time in your book
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2015, 12:56:40 PM
but they won a playoff game this year, so that makes Ron Rivera one of the greatest coaches of all-time in your book
Only if you think winning a home game against the Arizona 4th string QB is the same as winning in Indy vs Manning and Foxboro vs Brady in consecutive weeks. You know better than that.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2015, 01:03:11 PM
EVERY SINGLE ONE
I don't want to root against the guy, but now I'm going to do it because this has annoyed me beyond a certain point of no return.
#RIPRex
Post by: Tommy on January 10, 2015, 01:07:16 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2015, 01:09:53 PM
Herm also beat Peyton Manning in the playoffs.
He shut him out too. Greatest coach of all-time.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 10, 2015, 03:00:24 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2015, 03:05:41 PM
And they're a pretty shitty team too. Put Rex in the NFC South and he's in the playoffs next year. Us on the other hand, probably not.
Put Rex on the Jets next year, and hes not in the playoffs
Post by: Tommy on January 10, 2015, 03:09:23 PM
You can dismiss it if you want to, but let me know when we do it again, if any of us are still alive.
Parcells got us a quarter within the Super Bowl.
Herm got us a FG within an AFC Championship.
Rex got us a few quarters within two Super Bowls.
All this within 15 years. Not sure why you're so pessimistic. As bad as things seem right now, they can only get better, as history has shown us. This isn't the NFL of the 80s any longer. If Seattle can go from the dredges to a SB within a few years then so can the Jets.
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 10, 2015, 03:24:43 PM
Parcells got us a quarter within the Super Bowl.
Herm got us a FG within an AFC Championship.
Rex got us a few quarters within two Super Bowls.
All this within 15 years. Not sure why you're so pessimistic. As bad as things seem right now, they can only get better, as history has shown us. This isn't the NFL of the 80s any longer. If Seattle can go from the dredges to a SB within a few years then so can the Jets.
To be fair to you that is a pretty fair summation as to to the modern NFL.
However, you guys haven't seen anything. I.S and me have been through so many changes of direction with the Jets that it's difficult to be positive about scratching everything and thinking we can be competitive again soon.
My biggest worry is that whoever we bring in doesn't gel well with what little premier talent we have on the roster and before you know it we are having a wholesale changes again next year.
Post by: Tommy on January 10, 2015, 03:30:18 PM
To be fair to you that is a pretty fair summation as to to the modern NFL.
However, you guys haven't seen anything. I.S and me have been through so many changes of direction with the Jets that it's difficult to be positive about scratching everything and thinking we can be competitive again soon.
My biggest worry is that whoever we bring in doesn't gel well with what little premier talent we have on the roster and before you know it we are having a wholesale changes again next year.
Right but in today's NFL it's better to rinse and start over rather than keep going with a system that hasn't quite made it over the hump. Do we want to be another Bengals?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2015, 03:30:40 PM
Parcells got us a quarter within the Super Bowl.
Herm got us a FG within an AFC Championship.
Rex got us a few quarters within two Super Bowls.
All this within 15 years. Not sure why you're so pessimistic. As bad as things seem right now, they can only get better, as history has shown us. This isn't the NFL of the 80s any longer. If Seattle can go from the dredges to a SB within a few years then so can the Jets.
I wouldnt say Seattle was in the dredges. They made it to the superbowl like what 10ish years ago? and the refs decided to hand the game to the Steelers because they felt like it. They were quite good with Hasselbeck and Alexender and all those guys.
Post by: MBGreen on January 10, 2015, 04:46:46 PM
Bills are bringing back former Jets HC Rex Ryan for a second interview tonight in Florida, per league sources.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2015, 04:49:25 PM
Per Schefter...I wouldn't be surprised to see them throw an obscene amount of money at him.
Bills are bringing back former Jets HC Rex Ryan for a second interview tonight in Florida, per league sources.
Purely as a business move. The bills have been virtually completely irrelevant for a while
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2015, 04:55:24 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2015, 05:05:14 PM
I will enjoy beating him twice a year for the next two or three seasons...then he can finally go to TV where he belongs.Did you watch the Jets play the bills this year?
Post by: Badger on January 10, 2015, 05:07:13 PM
Did you watch the Jets play the bills this year?
We'll only be able to beat Rex's Bills if they're coming off a bye.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2015, 05:08:12 PM
Did you watch the Jets play the bills this year?
Yes, I watched Kyle Orton shred Rex Ryan's defense.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2015, 05:09:30 PM
Yes, I watched Kyle Orton shred Rex Ryan's defense.We were a special category of bad this season
The bills were a legit playoff contender
True they have a massive QB problem now, but so do we
Post by: Tommy on January 10, 2015, 05:10:05 PM
We were a special category of bad this season
The bills were a legit playoff contender
True they have a massive QB problem now, but so do we
And Rex is the perfect guy to rectify that.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 10, 2015, 05:11:03 PM
We were a special category of bad this season
The bills were a legit playoff contender
True they have a massive QB problem now, but so do we
Didn't you just say the Bills were irrelevant earlier? Stop making yourself look stupid.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 10, 2015, 05:13:20 PM
Didn't you just say the Bills were irrelevant earlier? Stop making yourself look stupid.They are completely irrelevant. From a media/fan standpoint. Which is why it's constantly being discussed that their franchise is going to pack up and move to Canada
But they're still far more talented than we are.
The Jets aren't far from being the worst team in the NFL
Post by: Laxin on January 10, 2015, 07:08:05 PM
Post by: MexJetinBcn on January 11, 2015, 07:01:31 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2015, 07:34:01 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 07:55:04 AM
And freak IS
I can't believe he didn't hold out for the Atlanta job
He's going to go like 8 years in a row without making the playoffs
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 08:04:08 AM
Post by: hawk on January 11, 2015, 08:10:27 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 08:13:45 AM
Schefter: The offensive coordinator Rex Ryan is most likely to bring with him to Buffalo is 49ers OC Greg Roman, per source.So much for roman being a HC
Few years of OC with Rex and his career is going nowhere
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 08:23:48 AM
And it sounds like schwartz is staying on at DC
Post by: Pope on January 11, 2015, 09:16:53 AM
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2015, 09:21:21 AM
Surprised he's going to Buffalo. Basically inheriting the same team. Great DL, great defense, no QB, poor offense.He didn't go to Buffalo to kiss Dan Quinn's rings.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 09:24:05 AM
I can't believe he didn't hold out for the Atlanta job
By the sounds of it he didn't particularly get on with Dmitroff and Pioli, so I'm not sure if there was a job there for him to hold out for.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 09:24:49 AM
By the sounds of it he didn't particularly get on with Dmitroff and Pioli, so I'm not sure if there was a job there for him to hold out for.Chicago, San Francisco
Can't imagine that nobody wanted him
Post by: IATA on January 11, 2015, 09:47:17 AM
that user title fits dcm perfectly, ftr.
Post by: IATA on January 11, 2015, 09:47:34 AM
Chicago, San Francisco
Can't imagine that nobody wanted him
that's right, someone really did want him. buffalo.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 09:48:32 AM
I meant relevant franchises
that's right, someone really did want him. buffalo.
Post by: IATA on January 11, 2015, 09:51:48 AM
I meant relevant franchises
The Bills had a better record than both of those teams.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 09:54:41 AM
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 09:57:09 AM
Surprised he's going to Buffalo. Basically inheriting the same team. Great DL, great defense, no QB, poor offense.
Buffalo actually has wide receivers.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
Buffalo actually has wide receivers.Is Robert Woods good enough yet where we can say receivers plural?
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 10:09:13 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 10:10:43 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 10:11:00 AM
This would mean Jim Schwartz is probably out in Buffalo. Wouldn't mind him as our DC
All reports suggest its probable that Schwartz is remaining the DC
Post by: mj2sexay on January 11, 2015, 10:13:06 AM
For a team with absolutely no offensive identity, this really is like the oddest fit ever.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 10:14:19 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 10:15:20 AM
I'd like this move a whole lot more for Buffalo if they landed Trestman and not Roman. I also find it interesting Whegs wasn't even a consideration. Confirmation IMHO that those two had issues his year.
For a team with absolutely no offensive identity, this really is like the oddest fit ever.
This moves not about them winning.
Its about a team that nobody gives a freak about, getting an incredibly entertaining and personable HC.
I think its also quite likely to fail miserably
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 10:16:01 AM
#JetsBillsTailgate2015100% down with this.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 10:16:19 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 10:16:56 AM
#JetsBillsTailgate2015Haha. Gotta try if at all possible.
Post by: hawk on January 11, 2015, 10:22:11 AM
I wonder if the Bills make a trade for a Cutler type or even Glennon. Glennon isn't going to light the world on fire, but I don't think he was bad enough to get passed over in TB. Probably wouldn't cost a lot. Come to think of it, he might not be a bad fit with us as a stopgap with potential.
I would take Glennon in a heartbeat.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 11, 2015, 10:27:04 AM
Hopefully Atlanta isn't waiting out for Dan Quinn.
More likely they're waiting on McDaniels.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 11, 2015, 10:40:12 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 10:42:07 AM
Have heard repeatedly Rex Ryan has been far and away most interested in Falcons job for many reasons. Many are surprised he will take Bills
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 59m59 minutes ago
Arthur Blank very much interested in Ryan. Naturally process delayed when Blank had a death in his family. Surprised Rex's camp didn't wait
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 60m60 minutes ago
Falcons job comes with a QB and an offense in a poor division with driven owner and it's close to Clemson, where Rex's son plays ...
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 59m59 minutes ago
Count me among those very surprised by the timing of this. Bills job seen as the least attractive available by many. No QB. No 1st rd pick
Rex's pride got the better of him.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 10:44:08 AM
All reports suggest its probable that Schwartz is remaining the DC
Mike Rodak @mikerodak 2h2 hours ago
Rex’ NYJ defenses blitzed 6th-most from 2009-2014. Schwartz’s DET defenses blitzed 2nd-fewest from 2009-2013. Odd marriage if it happens.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 10:45:51 AM
Quote
Rich Cimini
Rex Ryan could use a QB in Buffalo. Mark Sanchez will be a free agent. I'm assuming Rex still has the tattoo. #nyj
11:32AM EST
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 10:48:21 AM
Things could get really awkward in the AFCE
please god, i hope that happens.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 10:50:09 AM
Post by: mj2sexay on January 11, 2015, 10:50:19 AM
freak this. I like Rex. I'm sure as hell not dismissing the fact that a guy who knows our personnel is now in our division and facing us twice a year with a chip on his shoulder.
I'm also not dismissing the fact that the situation he's walking into is the same one we just saw for the past six years. Unless they luck into a QB, we won't be seeing any quality out of that position for a long time out of Buffalo.
That defense is going to be nasty. There's no way around it. If Whaley and Brandon can spend the offseason fixing their offensive line, even with a shitty QB, Rex can get them to the playoffs as early as next year. But those guys haven't exactly proven to be scouting wizards, and there's not a lot of resources up there in terms of draft picks or cash.
Didn't the best game of EJ Manuel's career come against Rex? It's just so odd that a team would hire a guy they thoroughly manhandled the last three times they saw him.
Post by: Laxin on January 11, 2015, 10:52:34 AM
Post by: hawk on January 11, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
I'm also not dismissing the fact that the situation he's walking into is the same one we just saw for the past six years. Unless they luck into a QB, we won't be seeing any quality out of that position for a long time out of Buffalo.
That defense is going to be nasty. There's no way around it. If Whaley and Brandon can spend the offseason fixing their offensive line, even with a shitty QB, Rex can get them to the playoffs as early as next year. But those guys haven't exactly proven to be scouting wizards, and there's not a lot of resources up there in terms of draft picks or cash.
Didn't the best game of EJ Manuel's career come against Rex? It's just so odd that a team would hire a guy they thoroughly manhandled the last three times they saw him.
It is odd that professionals in this industry may understand what the real issue with the Jets is.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2015, 11:00:54 AM
The question is whether both Rex and Sanchez would want to be paired up with each other again. Rex might actually think Sanchez sucks and he could do better. Or Sanchez could want to stay away from Rex.
Post by: Laxin on January 11, 2015, 11:03:19 AM
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 11, 2015, 11:12:53 AM
I will enjoy beating him twice a year for the next two or three seasons...then he can finally go to TV where he belongs.
I wonder what you are basing this on? Oh- wishful thinking. Okay.
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 11, 2015, 11:14:45 AM
On the other hand Brady must be thinking he had seen the last of him.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 11:16:42 AM
http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/football/rex-ryan-finalizing-five-year-deal-27-5m-coach-bills-article-1.2073653
LONG LIVE THE WILDCAT!!
Post by: mj2sexay on January 11, 2015, 11:17:28 AM
It is odd that professionals in this industry may understand what the real issue with the Jets is.
So now Rex supporters won't even allow that he was thoroughly outcoached in two of those losses?
I mean Jesus. I was a Rex guy but this is getting insufferable. Part of one of the "real issues" of the Jets is that our former head coach had absolutely no aptitude when it came to the offensive side of the football. And that same head coach had a heavy hand in drafting defense first, his entire career here.
It's an odd fit. If they were so committed to staying the course defensively they had a coordinator in house who just got their defense to a top 5 ranking and has previous head coaching experience.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
oh man...this is beautiful. Near the end of the article, it states Rex wants to bring David "Father of the Wildcat" Lee with him to Buffalo.
http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/football/rex-ryan-finalizing-five-year-deal-27-5m-coach-bills-article-1.2073653
LONG LIVE THE WILDCAT!!
Funny thing is didnt Buffalo fire David Lee like 2 years ago
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 11:19:53 AM
Funny thing is didnt Buffalo fire David Lee like 2 years ago
Indeed he was, young squire. Although, i'm not sure Lee was fired or if he was granted permission to laterally move to the Jets.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 11:21:24 AM
Maybe the Bills can bring in Holmes too
Post by: Andrew Ryan on January 11, 2015, 11:22:18 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 11:24:06 AM
On the other hand Brady must be thinking he had seen the last of him.
I didn't think about that. Awesome. freak Brady.
Post by: Tommy on January 11, 2015, 11:24:43 AM
Considering the fact that we're gutting the coaching staff, system, and most likely getting a bunch of new players, the fear about Ryan "knowing the Jets" is overblown.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2015, 11:28:47 AM
I don't give a excrement. We'll probably split the games each season as usual. It'll be weird the first season, but we'll all get over it.The media won't let us get over it, and Rex will certainly poke the bear as well.
Considering the fact that we're gutting the coaching staff, system, and most likely getting a bunch of new players, the fear about Ryan "knowing the Jets" is overblown.
I'm really curious to see Rex in a tiny media market. That fan base has been miserable for 15 years with losing. Rex could easily drum up the bravado from the second he gets there and get the fans 100% on his corner like he did with Jets fans. In Buffalo, he might be able to get away with it since the Bills aren't a big deal nationally.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2015, 11:30:15 AM
Just watch the Bills sign Sanchez now.And Revis.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 11:30:54 AM
And Revis.
And Brad Smith to run the wildcat.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 11:32:04 AM
David Lee at QB coach.
lol
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2015, 11:34:12 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 11:35:06 AM
Pettine and Rex will fight to the death for the rights to Jim Leonhard.
Leonhard retired.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 11, 2015, 11:38:26 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 11:43:00 AM
It'll be weird the first season, but we'll all get over it.
No, freak Rex Ryan. He refused to wait it out for the Atlanta job. Hopefully he rots in Buffalo.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 11:43:27 AM
Post by: hawk on January 11, 2015, 11:43:27 AM
So now Rex supporters won't even allow that he was thoroughly outcoached in two of those losses?
I mean Jesus. I was a Rex guy but this is getting insufferable. Part of one of the "real issues" of the Jets is that our former head coach had absolutely no aptitude when it came to the offensive side of the football. And that same head coach had a heavy hand in drafting defense first, his entire career here.
It's an odd fit. If they were so committed to staying the course defensively they had a coordinator in house who just got their defense to a top 5 ranking and has previous head coaching experience.
First, I am a supporter of Rex Ryan not an apologist. He has flaws, as does every NFL head coach. Did anyone else catch that major blunder by Bill Belichick yesterday allowing Baltimore one last opportunity to win the game?
Secondly, I am a supporter of the Jets organization first and foremost. I have no problem with Rex being fired, if there is an apparent upgrade, and I do not see an apparent upgrade. That being said, I am a huge advocate of hierarchy and their correlating accountability. The GM is solely responsible for the talent on the field, and whether or not Ryan made the call, it is on the GM. The reports that Ryan was not willing to speak up in meetings is a major concern to me, as it would be with any coach we hire. An example, would be if Ryan was not willing to put what he felt was the best players on the field regardless of the pressure from above, but we can not prove that to be the case. If indeed it is the case, I am glad he is gone.
Lastly, saying one of the best defensive minds in the NFL on one side doesn't have an aptitude for the offensive side of the ball is simply naive.
With the information I have available, I think firing Rex was a mistake, especially without allowing the new GM make the call.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 11:48:17 AM
First, I am a supporter of Rex Ryan not an apologist. He has flaws, as does every NFL head coach. Did anyone else catch that major blunder by Bill Belichick yesterday allowing Baltimore one last opportunity to win the game?
Secondly, I am a supporter of the Jets organization first and foremost. I have no problem with Rex being fired, if there is an apparent upgrade, and I do not see an apparent upgrade. That being said, I am a huge advocate of hierarchy and their correlating accountability. The GM is solely responsible for the talent on the field, and whether or not Ryan made the call, it is on the GM. The reports that Ryan was not willing to speak up in meetings is a major concern to me, as it would be with any coach we hire. An example, would be if Ryan was not willing to put what he felt was the best players on the field regardless of the pressure from above, but we can not prove that to be the case. If indeed it is the case, I am glad he is gone.
Lastly, saying one of the best defensive minds in the NFL on one side doesn't have an aptitude for the offensive side of the ball is simply naive.
With the information I have available, I think firing Rex was a mistake, especially without allowing the new GM make the call.
Rex didn't want to wait for Woody to hire a new GM and let him decide. He wanted to either be told he's staying or fired quickly so he could start looking for work.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 11:48:59 AM
#FuckRex
His nfl career died today
But at least hes now pretty damn rich
Post by: WW85 on January 11, 2015, 11:51:16 AM
No, freak Rex Ryan. He refused to wait it out for the Atlanta job. Hopefully he rots in Buffalo.
Apparently Rex wanted no part of Dimitroff in Atl's organization. Dimitroff fucked over Rex when he picked Smith, Rex hates the Guy!!
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 11:53:16 AM
First, I am a supporter of Rex Ryan not an apologist. He has flaws, as does every NFL head coach. Did anyone else catch that major blunder by Bill Belichick yesterday allowing Baltimore one last opportunity to win the game?
Secondly, I am a supporter of the Jets organization first and foremost. I have no problem with Rex being fired, if there is an apparent upgrade, and I do not see an apparent upgrade. That being said, I am a huge advocate of hierarchy and their correlating accountability. The GM is solely responsible for the talent on the field, and whether or not Ryan made the call, it is on the GM. The reports that Ryan was not willing to speak up in meetings is a major concern to me, as it would be with any coach we hire. An example, would be if Ryan was not willing to put what he felt was the best players on the field regardless of the pressure from above, but we can not prove that to be the case. If indeed it is the case, I am glad he is gone.
Lastly, saying one of the best defensive minds in the NFL on one side doesn't have an aptitude for the offensive side of the ball is simply naive.
With the information I have available, I think firing Rex was a mistake, especially without allowing the new GM make the call.
Woody wanted to clean house. You don't keep the HC around during a house cleaning. He made that mistake already.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 11:55:03 AM
Apparently Rex wanted no part of Dimitroff in Atl's organization. Dimitroff fucked over Rex when he picked Smith, Rex hates the Guy!!
Id bet it was the 5 year contract that won him over
Thats significant buy in , especially for a guy who missed the playoffs several years in a row
Post by: WW85 on January 11, 2015, 11:58:48 AM
Id bet it was the 5 year contract that won him over
Thats significant buy in , especially for a guy who missed the playoffs several years in a row
It's a lot of things. Staying in the AFCE to face the Jets and Pats and "try" to prove everyone wrong. Dimitroff and Rex wouldn't work, I don't know it, but I bet Rex want Blank to excrement can Dimitroff.
Post by: NDMick on January 11, 2015, 12:13:38 PM
This could be a re-run of what we all saw for the past 4 years.
I'm interested to see where this goes.
It's going to be weird seeing him in a different hat.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 11, 2015, 12:14:06 PM
First, I am a supporter of Rex Ryan not an apologist. He has flaws, as does every NFL head coach. Did anyone else catch that major blunder by Bill Belichick yesterday allowing Baltimore one last opportunity to win the game?
Secondly, I am a supporter of the Jets organization first and foremost. I have no problem with Rex being fired, if there is an apparent upgrade, and I do not see an apparent upgrade. That being said, I am a huge advocate of hierarchy and their correlating accountability. The GM is solely responsible for the talent on the field, and whether or not Ryan made the call, it is on the GM. The reports that Ryan was not willing to speak up in meetings is a major concern to me, as it would be with any coach we hire. An example, would be if Ryan was not willing to put what he felt was the best players on the field regardless of the pressure from above, but we can not prove that to be the case. If indeed it is the case, I am glad he is gone.
Lastly, saying one of the best defensive minds in the NFL on one side doesn't have an aptitude for the offensive side of the ball is simply naive.
With the information I have available, I think firing Rex was a mistake, especially without allowing the new GM make the call.
He was apathetic about the offense. Whether you feel he understood offense is one thing, but you can't deny that he simply didn't involve himself on that side of the ball after his initial excitement in the Sanchez scouting process.
Firing Rex was the right move after our GM search last time was so inhibited by his presence.
Post by: mj2sexay on January 11, 2015, 12:15:16 PM
He wasn't worth the circus that could've come with such a situation. I'm not thrilled with the pool of candidates either, but we can't say they wouldn't be upgrades nor is it really even material to the conversation unfortunately when the previous situation was completely untenable. Unfortunately when it came to Idzik and Rex the choices were either keep them both or let them both go. Idzik was so spectacularly bad that there's no question Rex was collateral damage.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 11, 2015, 12:19:09 PM
Apparently Rex wanted no part of Dimitroff in Atl's organization. Dimitroff fucked over Rex when he picked Smith, Rex hates the Guy!!
How did he freak over Rex by picking a different candidate? Was there an agreement in place? Rex and Smith were good friend, I think.
Post by: Cane on January 11, 2015, 12:31:03 PM
Schefter: The offensive coordinator Rex Ryan is most likely to bring with him to Buffalo is 49ers OC Greg Roman, per source.
Niner fans were railing against Roman this season, so it makes perfect sense that Rex would bring him in. Keeping Schwartz on as DC really makes no sense for either party. Rex will never let him control the D, and Schwartz is too good at calling a defense to be second fiddle.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 12:33:32 PM
Post by: WW85 on January 11, 2015, 12:34:11 PM
How did he freak over Rex by picking a different candidate? Was there an agreement in place? Rex and Smith were good friend, I think.
Rex was pissed Dimitroff selected Smith over him back in 2008, just telling what has been reported by John Clayton on ESPN Radio about an hour ago.
Nothing to do with Smith and Rex being friends.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2015, 12:36:20 PM
I wonder where Schwartz might go if let go.
Sounds like he won't be. Schwartz and Rex will probably kill each other by week 3 of the preseason which is probably good for us.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 12:37:34 PM
Sounds like he won't be. Schwartz and Rex will probably kill each other by week 3 of the preseason which is probably good for us.Rex will force Schwartz to carry him off the field.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 12:40:24 PM
I wonder where Schwartz might go if let go.
Duff should welcome Schwartz to his bosom.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 12:43:31 PM
Duff should welcome Schwartz to his bosom.
Jim Schwartz, HC of the NYJ
Post by: Jumbo on January 11, 2015, 12:45:06 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 12:48:21 PM
Jim Schwartz, HC of the NYJ
wat
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 12:51:43 PM
wat
Be careful what you wish for.
Woody will think he's sticking to it Rex by giving Schwartz his old job.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
Be careful what you wish for.
Woody will think he's sticking to it Rex by giving Schwartz his old job.
I meant Schwartz to become the DC. I guess I should've been more clear.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 12:54:19 PM
I meant Schwartz to become the DC. I guess I should've been more clear.
I knew what you intended.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 01:17:56 PM
freak him
And freak IS
I can't believe he didn't hold out for the Atlanta job
He's going to go like 8 years in a row without making the playoffs
freak you too. At least this helps our chances for that high draft pick you want so badly. Two more losses per year and fighting for 3rd place. This off season just keeps getting better.
Post by: Derek Smalls on January 11, 2015, 01:27:43 PM
The Bills could easily be the 2009-10 Jets if things break right. But Rex will have the same problem he had there as he had here: he has no quarterback. That means it will be tough to win in the regular season. They were 8-7 with an extremely good defense (the Pats laid down in Week 17).
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 01:29:14 PM
freak you too. At least this helps our chances for that high draft pick you want so badly. Two more losses per year and fighting for 3rd place. This off season just keeps getting better.
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Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 01:31:37 PM
freak you too. At least this helps our chances for that high draft pick you want so badly. Two more losses per year and fighting for 3rd place. This off season just keeps getting better.Step away from the ledge, man. Good grief.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 01:43:44 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 11, 2015, 01:44:49 PM
Post by: Laxin on January 11, 2015, 01:49:50 PM
So yeah, lol at the idea that Rex didnt have much involvement in the makeup of the team. Clearly he needs to be involved in every process.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 01:50:53 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
NBCdianna: I'm told by several that Rex Ryan lost interest in Atlanta because front office is too involved. Rex wants less hands in pot. #bills
So yeah, lol at the idea that Rex didnt have much involvement in the makeup of the team. Clearly he needs to be involved in every process.
#RIPBillsOffense
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 01:54:06 PM
NBCdianna: I'm told by several that Rex Ryan lost interest in Atlanta because front office is too involved. Rex wants less hands in pot. #bills
So yeah, lol at the idea that Rex didnt have much involvement in the makeup of the team. Clearly he needs to be involved in every process.
Why not? That's what fucked him here, you live and learn. Also why I'd have put him in charge of football decisions here.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 01:56:02 PM
On the other hand Brady must be thinking he had seen the last of him.
This is the only good part but it doesn't help us. When we're out of the running by October at least we'll have something to root for.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 01:56:04 PM
Why not? That's what fucked him here, you live and learn. Also why I'd have put him in charge of football decisions here.
This is getting comical now.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 01:57:30 PM
This is getting comical now.
You never liked him anyway so what else would you think? Then again you're part of the crowd still telling yourselves you were right about the Revis trade as he keeps playing and everyone here got fired.
Post by: NDMick on January 11, 2015, 01:58:04 PM
This is the only good part but that doesn't help us. When we're out of the running by October at least we'll have something to root for.
Yes because all of Rex's picks are amazing offensive players.
They are going to be a one sided mess, the same it was here.
Living and learning would be Rex allowing a GM with a scouting background to have final say during the draft, go offense heavy, and allow Rex to build a defense with smart plays. Get an OC who knows his excrement and let him take care of the offense.
Instead, it looks like Rex wants more power. Oh freak I feel bad for the Bills fans. They're going to want Marrone back.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 01:59:36 PM
Yes because all of Rex's picks are amazing offensive players.
They are going to be a one sided mess, the same it was here.
Living and learning would be Rex allowing a GM with a scouting background to have final say during the draft, go offense heavy, and allow Rex to build a defense with smart plays. Get an OC who knows his excrement and let him take care of the offense.
Instead, it looks like Rex wants more power. Oh freak I feel bad for the Bills fans. They're going to want Marrone back.
If you just had a GM come to your team and do so badly that he got himself and you fired, would you be eager to coach another roster dependent on someone else? I wouldn't.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 02:00:11 PM
Ok, let me know when we beat them again too.
the worst kind of fan
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 02:01:09 PM
If you just had a GM come to your team and do so badly that he got himself and you fired, would you be eager to coach another roster dependent on someone else? I wouldn't.
so did Rex Ryan get Mike Tannenbaum fired?
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 02:01:37 PM
You never liked him anyway so what else would you think? Then again you're part of the crowd still telling yourselves you were right about the Revis trade as he keeps playing and everyone here got fired.
That's false.
I've stated numerous times that I liked Rex as a DC, but he shouldn't be a HC. You're going to see why (again) next season up in Buffalo. I hope he crashes and burns.
At the time, it didn't make sense for us to pay Revis what he was asking....sorry you still don't understand that. And i refuse to rehash that dumbfuck argument over and over again because the Jets pissed in your cornflakes.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 02:02:31 PM
so did Rex Ryan get Mike Tannenbaum fired?
Only if Rex Ryan traded for Tim Tebow
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:03:09 PM
That's false.
I've stated numerous times that I liked Rex as a DC, but he shouldn't be a HC. You're going to see why (again) next season up in Buffalo. I hope he crashes and burns.
At the time, it didn't make sense for us to pay Revis what he was asking....sorry you still don't understand that. And i refuse to rehash that dumbfuck argument over and over again because the Jets pissed in your cornflakes.
The Jets made a terrible trade and fucked their franchise. Now they've made another terrible move and thrown more dirt on the grave. The only people who can't see it are the ones who were drinking the Kool-Aid when the trade happened.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 02:03:26 PM
freak you too. At least this helps our chances for that high draft pick you want so badly. Two more losses per year and fighting for 3rd place. This off season just keeps getting better.
Technically it won't be two *more* losses.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:03:44 PM
so did Rex Ryan get Mike Tannenbaum fired?
Neither one should have been fired, this is the problem.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:05:33 PM
the worst kind of fan
A realist? I know.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 02:06:01 PM
The Jets made a terrible trade and fucked their franchise. Now they've made another terrible move and thrown more dirt on the grave. The only people who can't see it are the ones who were drinking the Kool-Aid when the trade happened.
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Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 02:06:34 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:07:57 PM
Technically it won't be two *more* losses.
Two more on top of the two we're now guaranteed from New England. This is why I was so pissed when we fired him, because when you see a stupid move coming down the pike and we do it anyway, it ALWAYS comes back to bite us. Not sometimes, always. It doesn't always happen within two weeks but it always happens. So now when Belichick finally does retire after 20 years we'll have Rex in our way for another 10. freaking great.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 02:08:56 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:09:48 PM
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Yeah whatever, be funny now. Might as well get some excrement ready for when he's lifting the freaking trophy in a few weeks too.
Post by: Laxin on January 11, 2015, 02:09:54 PM
Why not? That's what fucked him here, you live and learn. Also why I'd have put him in charge of football decisions here.
The report of him wanting a lot of control insinuates that he most likely wanted or had the same here, especially considering he was kept on when a new GM was hired... Also meaning he was put in charge of football decisions here. Something that doesnt seem to click with you.
In simple terms: Rex had a major role in the construction of this team. He wasnt a victim of his circumstance.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:11:31 PM
The report of him wanting a lot of control insinuates that he most likely wanted or had the same here, especially considering he was kept on when a new GM was hired... Also meaning he was put in charge of football decisions here. Something that doesnt seem to click with you.
In simple terms: Rex had a major role in the construction of this team. He wasnt a victim of his circumstance.
You don't know that. You think Rex didn't want Revis back? Or would rather sit on $20 million than have a pro secondary? Sorry, I don't buy that.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 02:13:35 PM
Yeah whatever, be funny now. Might as well get some excrement ready for when he's lifting the freaking trophy in a few weeks too.
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Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:13:38 PM
pessimistic people are the worst at everything, not just being sports fans
Generally speaking I've always been an optimist, just look at my posts on this board, however much is retrievable. But I'm not going to sit here and put a happy face on this bullshit any more than I was going to pretend trading Revis for freaking draft picks was a good idea. There's optimistic and there's Polyanna.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 02:13:56 PM
You don't know that. You think Rex didn't want Revis back? Or would rather sit on $20 million than have a pro secondary? Sorry, I don't buy that.
If we had Revis back wed be slightly less bad and a whole lot more broke
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 02:15:00 PM
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 02:15:26 PM
You don't know that. You think Rex didn't want Revis back? Or would rather sit on $20 million than have a pro secondary? Sorry, I don't buy that.
Obviously Rex wanted to replace Sanchez with Geno too. Such a Rex move. /s
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:16:06 PM
Sheldon Richardson was such a terrible edition to this team
We couldn't have drafted him anyway even though he was there, right? If that's all you can cling to it's a terrible trade. Again, the guy who made it got fired, Revis is going to the Super Bowl and we're not. Yeah, a clear win for us.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 02:16:49 PM
Sheldon Richardson was such a terrible edition to this team
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Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 02:18:05 PM
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#rekt
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 02:18:46 PM
Revis is going to the Super Bowl and we're not.
this is beyond sad
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:18:51 PM
Obviously Rex wanted to replace Sanchez with Geno too. Such a Rex move. /s
I'm sure sitting Vick was his call too. That's why we ran the ball 100 times the night he "decided" to put Geno back in.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 02:19:25 PM
you win this time, dcm
Post by: ons on January 11, 2015, 02:19:33 PM
Two more losses per year and fighting for 3rd place. This off season just keeps getting better.
Rex is so good he got stomped by Buffalo when Buffalo didn't get practice time and lost home field advantage.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:19:48 PM
this is beyond sad
Something we can agree on at least.
Post by: Laxin on January 11, 2015, 02:20:13 PM
Obviously Rex wanted to replace Sanchez with Geno too. Such a Rex move. /s
Wasnt he the one that put Sanchez back in a preseason game vs the Giants which sealed his fate with Geno? If Rex was fully aboard the Sanchez train, I doubt he ever goes back in at the end of a meaningless preseason game.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:20:17 PM
Rex is so good he got stomped by Buffalo when Buffalo didn't get practice time and lost home field advantage.
They had better players and now they have a better coach. So we're sure to beat them now.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 11, 2015, 02:21:10 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 02:21:21 PM
hahahahaha
you win this time, dcm
At least now I know youve been reading all my post here
Post by: ons on January 11, 2015, 02:22:33 PM
They had better players and now they have a better coach. So we're sure to beat them now.
The Bills beating a 'better coach' 38-3 without being able to practice means they must have had one of the most talented teams of all times on both sides of the ball. Only in your delusional, pathetic world.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 02:22:58 PM
They had better players and now they have a better coach. So we're sure to beat them now.
Ryan isn't better than Doug Marrone if we're looking at wins and losses.
Marrone was 3-1 against Ryan and the score is extremely lopsided.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 11, 2015, 02:23:53 PM
The Bills beating a 'better coach' 38-3 without being able to practice means they must have had one of the most talented teams of all times on both sides of the ball. Only in your delusional, pathetic world.
Well to be fair they were playing against the 32nd ranked QB
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 02:24:59 PM
The Bills beating a 'better coach' 38-3 without being able to practice means they must have had one of the most talented teams of all times on both sides of the ball. Only in your delusional, pathetic world.
That's one game, the lack of practice might have helped them. We just played them three weeks earlier, not a whole lot of mental preparation was needed.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 02:25:29 PM
the lack of practice might have helped them
wat
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 02:26:20 PM
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 02:26:49 PM
Wasnt he the one that put Sanchez back in a preseason game vs the Giants which sealed his fate with Geno? If Rex was fully aboard the Sanchez train, I doubt he ever goes back in at the end of a meaningless preseason game.
Was Rex the driving force behind making sure Geno had every chance possible to take the starting job from Sanchez?
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 02:28:55 PM
ITT: Nobody knows anything but is willing to assume everything.
I'm trying to base assumptions on what we actually knew about Rex, which is slightly better than assuming he was behind every bad decision.
We know he loved Sanchez and Revis to a fault.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 11, 2015, 02:31:05 PM
and what's your excuse for the other loss to Buffalo? ...you know the one where they put up 43 on the Jets.
Isn't that the one Geno spotted them 21 points and vick gave them 10 more? It was so bad I think I've blocked it out...
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
I'm trying to base assumptions on what we actually knew about Rex, which is slightly better than assuming he was behind every bad decision.
We know he loved Sanchez and Revis to a fault.
This is what we get for having a HC forced upon a GM.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 11, 2015, 02:35:17 PM
Isn't that the one Geno spotted them 21 points and vick gave them 10 more? It was so bad I think I've blocked it out...
still Ryan's team
Post by: ons on January 11, 2015, 02:39:51 PM
and what's your excuse for the other loss to Buffalo? ...you know the one where they put up 43 on the Jets.
Or when rookie EJ Manuel put up 37 points on Rex in 2013?
Isn't that the one Geno spotted them 21 points and vick gave them 10 more? It was so bad I think I've blocked it out...
Yeah, the Bills coaching staff knew how to handle their QB black hole much better than the Jets coaching staff.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 11, 2015, 02:43:30 PM
I'm trying to base assumptions on what we actually knew about Rex, which is slightly better than assuming he was behind every bad decision.
We know he loved Sanchez and Revis to a fault.
That's how it started, and that's how I've operated as well. Somewhere along the way, though, it turned into a rather polarized 'discussion' in here.
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
Yeah, the Bills coaching staff knew how to handle their QB black hole much better than the Jets coaching staff.
excrement, we better hurry up and hire Doug Marrone.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 02:54:03 PM
excrement, we better hurry up and hire Doug Marrone.
Be careful what you wish for
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 02:58:52 PM
Be careful what you wish for
See, you get the joke now
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 03:01:29 PM
See, you get the joke nowDon't underestimate my power
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 03:03:44 PM
Isn't that the one Geno spotted them 21 points and vick gave them 10 more? It was so bad I think I've blocked it out...
I think we weren't a good matchup with them and we played them twice in a few weeks,.so it was the same matchup both times. Having six turnovers certainly doesn't help. Giving them our coach sure as excrement isn't going to.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 03:06:32 PM
I think we weren't a good matchup with them and we played them twice in a few weeks,.so it was the same matchup both times. Having six turnovers certainly doesn't help. Giving them our coach sure as excrement isn't going to.Did you sign up at a Bills forum yet? They're going to need your Rex excuses.
Post by: Laxin on January 11, 2015, 03:16:15 PM
I'm trying to base assumptions on what we actually knew about Rex, which is slightly better than assuming he was behind every bad decision.
We know he loved Sanchez and Revis to a fault.
I think its fair to assume that Rex had a key part in the construction of the roster. I think its a fair assumption for pretty much every HC, since it falls under their responsibility. We also know that Rex has had a role in the draft process as well with him getting his "own" picks (deemed by himself) and also promising players that they would be drafted by the organization.
The report of him pretty much choosing the Bills over the Falcons due to the level of power he'd have only furthers this.
Rex has had a role in drafting some very good DL prospects and coaching a couple of good teams in 09' and 10'. Im not clearing him of praise for making good moves, its just that the entire organization has gotten worse over the years, and I cant see how he is not partially to blame for that. IMO, freeing Rex of any blame is far worse than assuming that the HC helps build a team.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 11, 2015, 04:09:15 PM
Did you sign up at a Bills forum yet? They're going to need your Rex excuses.
I'm not a bundle of sticks like you, just not excited about another ten years of garbage ahead of us.
Post by: Tommy on January 11, 2015, 04:13:19 PM
I'm not a bundle of sticks like you, just not excited about another ten years of garbage ahead of us.
Come on man. You can't honestly be that pessimistic.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 04:16:02 PM
I'm not a bundle of sticks like you, just not excited about another ten years of garbage ahead of us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH476CxJxfg
Post by: Cane on January 11, 2015, 06:22:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 07:45:57 PM
#JetsBillsTailgate2015
In Buffalo? I'm all over that, I think it's about two hours from me now.
Post by: Tommy on January 11, 2015, 07:46:29 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 07:46:43 PM
In Buffalo? I'm all over that, I think it's about two hours from me now.See u there
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 07:48:22 PM
See u there
Bring Mrs MB, visit her brother, go drinking with me in TO, take a day out to drive down to Buffalo for the tailgate. Mrs English will go, will Mrs MB? If we're really lucky we might be able to convince one of them to drive back.
Post by: Ornstein on January 11, 2015, 08:25:23 PM
I really don't think Rex will make the same mistakes he did when he was here, if he didnt learn from them by now his stay will be very short.
I'd say they have a ceiling of 9 wins at the moment. They have a far better roster then we do at this one but that could very well change by September. I really hope he fucks up yet again but he's definetly going to give everyone in the Division a run for their money 6 times a year.
If he brings Sanchez in as his stop gap for the next year or 2 I have a lot of confidence that they're a playoff contender next season. excrement on Sanchez all you want but I think he'll wind up becoming a poor man's Alex smith at this point in his career. He wasn't much better or worse then foles this past season and there's little chance he doesn't find a starting job somewhere in this league whether it be with Buffalo or elsewhere.
The offensive weapons Rex has in buffalo are a step below what he had in 2010 but they're far better then what he's had since that season. The only thing I'd really hate about this hire is losing Dunbar to the bills. Other then that its whatever.
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Bring Mrs MB, visit her brother, go drinking with me in TO, take a day out to drive down to Buffalo for the tailgate. Mrs English will go, will Mrs MB? If we're really lucky we might be able to convince one of them to drive back.Toronto is for us youth, stay out.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 08:31:27 PM
Toronto is for us youth, stay out.
Get a job, slacker.
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 08:33:36 PM
Get a job, slacker.I'm elbow deep in dead cow, pig, chicken, lamb, and goat 40 hours a week now.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 08:34:12 PM
I'm elbow deep in dead cow, pig, chicken, lamb, and goat 40 hours a week now.
Bojangles...is that you?
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 08:34:59 PM
Bojangles...is that you?Yes, now you old fuckers stay out of Toronto.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 08:37:36 PM
Yes, now you old fuckers stay out of Toronto.
Toronto is part of my vast kingdom.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 08:40:01 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
Bojangles...is that you?
I'm shoulder deep in live ones.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 08:41:40 PM
Toronto is for us youth, stay out.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Skid_Row_Youth_Gone_Wild.jpg)
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
I'm shoulder deep in live ones.
There's too many of you.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 08:42:40 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Skid_Row_Youth_Gone_Wild.jpg)
Let's see if Tommy can point out Sebastian Bach
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 08:43:34 PM
Toronto is part of my vast kingdom.Belch.
That empire streches from Selkirk to Steinbach at best.
That being said, a Jets Tailgate weekend getting hammered and going to Poutineville (they just opened one in Toronto) sounds a lot better and cheaper than Manhattan.
Post by: Tommy on January 11, 2015, 08:44:31 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 08:44:48 PM
Belch.
That empire streches from Selkirk to Steinbach at best.
That being said, a Jets Tailgate weekend getting hammered and going to Poutineville (they just opened one in Toronto) sounds a lot better and cheaper than Manhattan.
our territory has grown.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 08:45:07 PM
I listened to the music, never gave a freak about their names or who they were.
I know...i'm just breaking your balls.
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 08:48:23 PM
our territory has grown.You can have Hamilton. Just you two stay out of Toronto.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 08:49:53 PM
You can have Hamilton. Just you two stay out of Toronto.
You're very close to getting the Randy Carlyle treatment.
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 08:53:00 PM
You're very close to getting the Randy Carlyle treatment.He was too old too. Drake should be the new coach.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 08:53:19 PM
You can have Hamilton. Just you two stay out of Toronto.
What are you talking about, you strange lover of the older lady? You don't even live in Toronto.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 08:54:46 PM
He was too old too. Drake should be the new coach.
Only if Rhianna is coaching the penalty kill.
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 08:56:59 PM
What are you talking about, you strange lover of the older lady? You don't even live in Toronto.I'm there once or twice a month for work.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 08:58:48 PM
I'm there once or twice a month for work.
Now that I actually live here, I'll let you know in due course whether that will be permitted to continue. Don't go booking any flights.
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 09:04:34 PM
Now that I actually live here, I'll let you know in due course whether that will be permitted to continue. Don't go booking any flights.Oh yeah? Whereabouts? I'm usually around Little Italy if I'm doing work or up in Aurora since my tattoo guy works out of there.
Also what's the Canadian equivalent of Applebee's if I want to fight you, Boston Pizza?
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 09:07:29 PM
Oh yeah? Whereabouts? I'm usually around Little Italy if I'm doing work or up in Aurora since my tattoo guy works out of there.
Also what's the Canadian equivalent of Applebee's if I want to fight you, Boston Pizza?
Why not Poutineville?
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 09:07:44 PM
Oh yeah? Whereabouts? I'm usually around Little Italy if I'm doing work or up in Aurora since my tattoo guy works out of there.
Also what's the Canadian equivalent of Applebee's if I want to fight you, Boston Pizza?
Leslieville, and I don't know what the Canadian equivalent of Applebee's is because I don't do slumming.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 11, 2015, 09:08:19 PM
Oh yeah? Whereabouts? I'm usually around Little Italy if I'm doing work or up in Aurora since my tattoo guy works out of there.
Also what's the Canadian equivalent of Applebee's if I want to fight you, Boston Pizza?
(http://noshingwiththenolands.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Remembrance-Day-2014-Logo-2.png)
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 09:11:21 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 09:12:00 PM
Post by: Badger on January 11, 2015, 09:16:22 PM
I don't care, I'm still not going.
You're not supposed to go inside, you're only going to be in the parking lot, or as you would call it, the roofless car port.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 09:19:17 PM
You're not supposed to go inside, you're only going to be in the parking lot, or as you would call it, the roofless car port.
Even in the parking lot I'd be concerned about my proximity to poor people.
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 09:42:23 PM
Even in the parking lot I'd be concerned about my proximity to poor people.Good thing you didn't pick Hamilton, I have some family who live there, hell on ice.
Leslieville is a nice spot to live though, could definitely see living there if I acquire a J.E. level of wealth.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 09:43:47 PM
Good thing you didn't pick Hamilton, I have some family who live there, hell on ice.
I did the Around The Bay race in Hamilton last year, parts of it seemed quite nice. It doesn't have a great reputation though.
Quote
Leslieville is a nice spot to live though, could definitely see living there if I acquire a J.E. level of debt.
FTFY
Post by: IATA on January 11, 2015, 09:51:31 PM
I live in Ingersoll, between London and Kitchener.
JE, Hamilton sucks. It smells weird, the roads are stupid and the residents are, for the most part, dicks. The only good thing about Hamilton is Thai Memory, on King William St off John St. Some of the best Thai I have ever had.
Applebees operates here, between closing down at one location and opening at another a few months later because they're terrible.
Post by: Tommy on January 11, 2015, 09:52:17 PM
Post by: IATA on January 11, 2015, 09:55:41 PM
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 09:58:27 PM
I'm in Toronto more than you Nope.Hamilton also has the CFL Hall of Fame which had a Field Goal Simulator which 14 me thought was cool.
I live in Ingersoll, between London and Kitchener.
JE, Hamilton sucks. It smells weird, the roads are stupid and the residents are, for the most part, dicks. The only good thing about Hamilton is Thai Memory, on King William St off John St. Some of the best Thai I have ever had.
Applebees operates here, between closing down at one location and opening at another a few months later because they're terrible.
Post by: IATA on January 11, 2015, 10:03:07 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 10:04:10 PM
Post by: Nope. on January 11, 2015, 10:08:49 PM
it's cute when a bunch of immigrants have an opinion about cities in my country.Comparing Manitoba to Ontario is like comparing Alabama to New York.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 10:11:42 PM
Comparing Manitoba to Ontario is like comparing Alabama to New York.
How would you know what Manitoba is like?....you can't even afford bus fare.
Post by: Tommy on January 11, 2015, 10:14:14 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 10:16:07 PM
Guys shut the freak up. No one cares about Canada.
Take down the Justin Bieber poster, Tommy. Privileges are being revoked.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 11, 2015, 10:53:58 PM
And no one can bitch about slumming it in Canada unless they've been to Prince Rupert Island.
Post by: Johnny English on January 11, 2015, 11:46:04 PM
You should check out Tommaso's and Rashers. Rashers has a boss bacon sandwich and I think some "UK" food, if that's a thing.
Been to Rashers a couple of times already. The owner is an English guy called Richard, and he knows how to make a proper bacon sandwich.
Post by: MBGreen on January 11, 2015, 11:49:26 PM
Post by: Nope. on January 12, 2015, 12:15:31 AM
How did this turn into a thread about Canada?I don't know, bring the Bills to Toronto?
And no one can bitch about slumming it in Canada unless they've been to Prince Rupert Island.
I need to have the steak frites at the Beer Bistro in downtown Toronto.I literally cannot see you eating Steak with French Fries on top of it without it being slathered in ketchup.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2015, 06:19:38 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 08:10:22 AM
I literally cannot see you eating Steak with French Fries on top of it without it being slathered in ketchup.
Ummm....no.
C'mon now.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2015, 08:20:52 AM
I don't know, bring the Bills to Toronto?(http://m.quickmeme.com/img/63/63839ff74cbff53562e1840c9d3c6c3282b4430001f1d0d68464f9f2bf8aac48.jpg)
I literally cannot see you eating Steak with French Fries on top of it without it being slathered in ketchup.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 08:22:24 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 08:22:38 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 08:25:24 AM
http://espn.go.com/newyork/nfl/story/_/id/12150566/nfl-rex-ryan-took-wrong-job-head-coach-buffalo-bills?ex_cid=espnapi_public
That should be posted on Seafood's refrigerator.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 08:34:24 AM
That should be posted on Seafood's refrigerator.
So he can apologize for it?
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 08:37:02 AM
So he can apologize for it?
self-reflection
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2015, 08:40:43 AM
How did this turn into a thread about Canada?
Because it's more interesting than yet more Rex Ryan talk.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 08:48:46 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2015, 08:52:29 AM
How did this turn into a thread about Canada?
Mods pls change thread title to 'Toronto Bills Hire Rex Ryan'
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 08:55:02 AM
self-reflection
How about this then:
http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/dave-busters-trip-looks-bad-after-buffalo-beating/
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2015, 09:00:55 AM
I wonder how the Bills feel about finding out they were Rex's third choice.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2015, 09:03:31 AM
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2015, 09:11:45 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2015, 09:14:05 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 09:14:34 AM
Now that Rex is HC of the Bills does that mean he gets custody of Cortland?
Yeah he is going to give the keys to the city to his most ardent supporter, Italian Seafood.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 09:15:26 AM
I'm surprised how the Jets media is bashing the Bills for signing him. I figured they would harp on the "he's gonna burn the Jets" angle.
They're bashing this move? Haha
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 09:17:47 AM
Bills D - top 5, ferocious
Bills O - prrrrt
Bills ST - prrrrt
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2015, 09:21:02 AM
Until i see otherwise...this is the impact Rex will have in BuffaloI will say things could be different if they can swing a trade for an average qb somewhere. Same can be said for the Jets.
Bills D - top 5, ferocious
Bills O - prrrrt
Bills ST - prrrrt
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2015, 09:24:11 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 09:28:52 AM
I don't see how you can paint this as a bad move for the Bills considering their last 4 coaches were Marrone, Chan Gailey, Perry Fewell, and Dick Jauron. if Rex goes .500 he'll be a bills coaching legend
It's early to say that it was a bad move. I'm curious to see what Rex does with that roster.
But it's not out of the left field to say this move is a bit of a head scratcher at first glance.
Post by: Laxin on January 12, 2015, 10:09:07 AM
I don't see how you can paint this as a bad move for the Bills considering their last 4 coaches were Marrone, Chan Gailey, Perry Fewell, and Dick Jauron. if Rex goes .500 he'll be a bills coaching legend
All the ItalianSeafood's in Buffalo will love him.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 12, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
Whether Rex having more control is a good thing is debatable. I could see it being a motivating factor for him though. He just went through a season where he coached a bag of excrement and got fired for it. I'd want more control over my fate too.
All that said, I was going to root against Rex no matter where he landed. I don't want to feel regret for letting him go. Him going to the Bills makes it easy to actively despise him now. I won't lie though, I'm scared of what he'll do up there. Besides Trestman, another name he appears to be strongly considering is Bill Callahan.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 10:36:24 AM
I would think Rex wants more control over personnel because he didn't have (what he felt) was enough here. It was widely reported how badly he wanted Revis back when he became available and was angry when Idzik refused to even speak to his camp.
Whether Rex having more control is a good thing is debatable. I could see it being a motivating factor for him though. He just went through a season where he coached a bag of excrement and got fired for it. I'd want more control over my fate too.
All that said, I was going to root against Rex no matter where he landed. I don't want to feel regret for letting him go. Him going to the Bills makes it easy to actively despise him now. I won't lie though, I'm scared of what he'll do up there. Besides Trestman, another name he appears to be strongly considering is Bill Callahan.
I don't think anything is official yet (could be wrong) but I kept seeing Greg Roman as the guy for OC.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 12:15:23 PM
Greg Roman has finalized deal to become @buffalobills offensive coordinator, source tells @NFLonFOX. Officially signing Tuesday in Buffalo
Post by: Tommy on January 12, 2015, 12:19:04 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 12, 2015, 12:24:29 PM
Because it's more interesting than yet more Rex Ryan talk.
Best answer I've heard.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 12, 2015, 12:25:09 PM
That was quick.
I'm guessing they were in contact immediately after the season and it was a done deal that Roman would follow Rex.
Post by: ons on January 12, 2015, 12:27:36 PM
Alex Marvez @alexmarvez
Greg Roman has finalized deal to become @buffalobills offensive coordinator, source tells @NFLonFOX. Officially signing Tuesday in Buffalo
Not particularly upset with Roman on the Bills. 49ers offense hasn't grown in a couple of seasons, it seems like.
Post by: Pope on January 12, 2015, 12:28:51 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 12:57:45 PM
I'm not a bundle of sticks like you, just not excited about another ten years of garbage ahead of us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH476CxJxfg
Banning me just proves I was right. bundle of sticks.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 01:01:40 PM
Banning me just proves I was right. bundle of sticks.I didn't ban you. I lifted your ban though.
And you're still just as wrong as ever.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 01:02:38 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 01:17:34 PM
I didn't ban you. I lifted your ban though.
And you're still just as wrong as ever.
Well in that case we cool.
And we can agree to disagree (that you're wrong).
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 01:18:23 PM
Well in that case we cool.
And we can agree to disagree (that you're wrong).
lol
it's going to be a long offseason.
Post by: Tommy on January 12, 2015, 01:18:56 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 01:20:37 PM
When did IS get banned?
May 19, 2008....i believe the birds were chirping that morning.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 01:30:23 PM
lol
it's going to be a long offseason.
It already has been and we're two weeks in.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 12, 2015, 01:35:51 PM
Banning me just proves I was right. bundle of sticks.
I banned you. I wasn't pissed, but it seemed like it was escalating, I'm also not a fan of that word, which I realize gets used a lot. Your ban was lifted inside of 5 minutes by every other mod. It was a 24 hr ban to begin with.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 01:43:39 PM
I banned you. I wasn't pissed, but it seemed like it was escalating, I'm also not a fan of that word, which I realize gets used a lot. Your ban was lifted inside of 5 minutes by every other mod. It was a 24 hr ban to begin with.
I've seen bundle of sticks on here so much I figured nobody would care, especially MB. Seems like we have a little more freedom on here since there's only like 6 of us who even see most of this stuff. The thing said 24 hours and the game was on so I laughed and said freak it.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 01:46:24 PM
I've seen bundle of sticks on here so much I figured nobody would care, especially MB. Seems like we have a little more freedom on here since there's only like 6 of us who even see most of this stuff. The thing said 24 hours and the game was on so I laughed and said freak it.
just don't call me late for dinner, poopchute.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 02:00:30 PM
I didn't ban you. I lifted your ban though.
And you're still just as wrong as ever.
I banned you. I wasn't pissed, but it seemed like it was escalating, I'm also not a fan of that word, which I realize gets used a lot. Your ban was lifted inside of 5 minutes by every other mod. It was a 24 hr ban to begin with.
I've seen bundle of sticks on here so much I figured nobody would care, especially MB. Seems like we have a little more freedom on here since there's only like 6 of us who even see most of this stuff. The thing said 24 hours and the game was on so I laughed and said freak it.
Shut up Faggots
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 02:03:50 PM
Shut up Faggots
f a g g o t
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 12, 2015, 02:18:01 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 02:19:56 PM
how did this turn into a thread about Faggots?
People here like to kill the messenger.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 02:20:14 PM
how did this turn into a thread about Faggots?
You mean how did this group of faggots become a football forum?
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2015, 02:53:59 PM
Yaaay!
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 02:56:11 PM
Manish: Bills fans should keep an eye on free agent LB David Harris. Rex Ryan will want him. OLB Calvin Pace, too, if Jets cut him. #nyj
Yaaay!
Wooohooo take them please. Then Amaro will be open all day long on a seam route.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2015, 02:57:03 PM
Wooohooo take them please. Then Amaro will be open all day long on a seem route.It would seam so.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 02:57:16 PM
Manish: Bills fans should keep an eye on free agent LB David Harris. Rex Ryan will want him. OLB Calvin Pace, too, if Jets cut him. #nyj
Yaaay!
Better if he takes the old guys, although Pace was good this year.
We really might think about signing Mo Wilkerson there, new guy.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 02:57:57 PM
Better if he takes the old guys, although Pace was good this year.
We really might think about signing Mo Wilkerson there, new guy.
Let's trade him for a 1st and 4th.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 02:58:17 PM
It would seam so.
hahaha
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 02:59:54 PM
Let's trade him for a 1st and 4th.
Franchise him and get 2 #1's for him. Then again Buffalo is going to be Super Bowl champs the next few years, so I am not sure Mo would be worth 2 32nd picks.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 03:00:16 PM
What are they going to do with Kiko Alonso?
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 03:01:28 PM
Pace and Harris...hahahaha!
What are they going to do with Kiko Alonso?
Jam Wide Receivers.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2015, 03:19:46 PM
Franchise him and get 2 #1's for him. Then again Buffalo is going to be Super Bowl champs the next few years, so I am not sure Mo would be worth 2 32nd picks.
They don't have one until 2016.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 03:26:59 PM
Bart Scott on Rex to the Bills: I'm disappointed. I wish Rex would've waited for the Falcons, that was the job to take.
Sadly, Bart.....your ex head coach is an impatient moron prone to making stupid decisions
Post by: IATA on January 12, 2015, 03:31:15 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2015, 03:32:57 PM
Let's trade him for a 1st and 4th.
Buffalo doesn't have one of those
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2015, 03:33:49 PM
He will be lost without Jim Harbaugh.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 03:47:20 PM
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 03:48:05 PM
Buffalo doesn't have one of those
Next year's 1st (we actually might have been better off if we did that with Tampa).
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 03:50:05 PM
This isn't Madden. It's his livelihood. The Bills wanted him the most. He wasn't guaranteed the Falcons job.He could've waited...his livelihood wouldnt be affected. He had options.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 03:50:17 PM
This isn't Madden. It's his livelihood. The Bills wanted him the most. He wasn't guaranteed the Falcons job.
Got a lot of money too.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 03:50:57 PM
He could've waited...his livelihood wouldnt be affected. He had options.
You don't know that. He's so terrible and all, hard to believe anyone wanted him let alone four other teams.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
He could've waited...his livelihood wouldnt be affected. He had options.
I guess he could have just turned off the game and restarted from his last save point.
Post by: Laxin on January 12, 2015, 03:52:40 PM
This isn't Madden. It's his livelihood. The Bills wanted him the most. He wasn't guaranteed the Falcons job.
I thought I remembered hearing that there was a death in the family of the Falcon's owner or GM that stalled the process a little bit?
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 03:54:05 PM
I thought I remembered hearing that there was a death in the family of the Falcon's owner or GM that stalled the process a little bit?
Arthur Blank's mother died and the Bills made their move.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 03:54:13 PM
You don't know that. He's so terrible and all, hard to believe anyone wanted him let alone four other teams.No..he had the option to go on tv. Atlanta didn't rule him out either. He just got impatient and rushed into another dumb decision.
I hope he crashes and burns in Buffalo
Post by: Tommy on January 12, 2015, 03:54:21 PM
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 03:55:39 PM
No..he had the option to go on tv. Atlanta didn't rule him out either. He just got impatient and rushed into another dumb decision.
I hope he crashes and burns in Buffalo
This is equally as dumb as saying Rex is going to sweep the Jets every year.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 03:56:04 PM
Rex oozes confidence. He believes he can excel anywhere. He probably just said freak it,Pegula paid him top dollar. Rex's agent is a godking...must've been some pitch to pegula. He knows how to shine up a turd.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 03:56:20 PM
This is equally as dumb as saying Rex is going to sweep the Jets every year.Nah
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 03:56:34 PM
Rex oozes confidence. He believes he can excel anywhere. He probably just said freak it,
He probably saw every opening as a great option.
Post by: Laxin on January 12, 2015, 03:58:39 PM
Arthur Blank's mother died and the Bills made their move.
Yeah... doesnt seem like the Falcons necessarily wanted him less, just that Rex jumped on the first offer. Nothing wrong with that, but Atlanta seems like a much better fit with Ryan, Julio and White already in place on offense. Also, if taking a worse situation leads to him being fired quickly, that would definitely affect his livelihood.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 04:00:04 PM
Yeah... doesnt seem like the Falcons necessarily wanted him less, just that Rex jumped on the first offer. Nothing wrong with that, but Atlanta seems like a much better fit with Ryan, Julio and White already in place on offense. Also, if taking a worse situation leads to him being fired quickly, that would definitely affect his livelihood.
I agree that the Falcons would have been a better landing spot, but we can't act like Rex was guaranteed the job if he waited a little longer.
Like most free agents, Rex went to the team that did the most to land him.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 04:03:36 PM
Yeah... doesnt seem like the Falcons necessarily wanted him less, just that Rex jumped on the first offer. Nothing wrong with that, but Atlanta seems like a much better fit with Ryan, Julio and White already in place on offense. Also, if taking a worse situation leads to him being fired quickly, that would definitely affect his livelihood.
Like Tommy said, Rex believes he can succeed anywhere. People like you who think he's no good are going to think otherwise. TV is where coaches go to die and the money wasn't close to what he got in Buffalo. You have to think the chance to keep going at it in the AFC East with us and the Pats factored into it as well.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 04:04:54 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2015, 04:11:48 PM
Ryan hired a QB killer OC in Greg Roman.Weren't people on these boards begging for us to hire Greg Roman?
He will be lost without Jim Harbaugh.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 04:17:04 PM
Weren't people on these boards begging for us to hire Greg Roman?
Over a year ago, Laxin said he'd like the Jets to look at a few offensive coaches "and even Greg Roman."
That was the only positive Roman post I could find.
Im sure they've been discussed here, but some of the top "candidates" that Id like to see looked at are O'Brien, Bevell, Shaw and even Greg Roman. O'Brien is probably the most interesting Id say- he has knowledge on both sides of the ball, having played on the defense and primarily coached on the offense. He has a good track record and I think he could change the culture here for the better.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2015, 04:17:52 PM
The TV option isn't going anywhere either.Maybe not going anywhere
But there's going to be a huge difference between fat Rex winning back to back afccg and his hard knocks appearances
Vs some guy rotting in the artic on a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game since high definition came out
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2015, 04:19:03 PM
Over a year ago, Laxin said he'd like the Jets to look at a few offensive coaches "and even Greg Roman."Maybe it was on the old boards, back when Rex had to hire a new OC to replace the legendary Tony Sparano
That was the only positive Roman post I could find.
I could have sworn Greg Roman was a hot topic at some point
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 04:22:08 PM
Maybe it was on the old boards, back when Rex had to hire a new OC to replace the legendary Tony Sparano
I could have sworn Greg Roman was a hot topic at some point
That also predated the "decline" of Kaepernick, that probably soured people on him.
But I don't see how anyone could have thought Roman would make a lateral move from 49ers OC to Jets OC so that probably wasn't it either.
Roman was probably a hot topic among the talking heads every time HC jobs opened up but nobody here had a hard-on for him.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 04:23:55 PM
Maybe not going anywhere
But there's going to be a huge difference between fat Rex winning back to back afccg and his hard knocks appearances
Vs some guy rotting in the artic on a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game since high definition came out
Matt Millen got a TV job
I rest my case.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 04:29:18 PM
Matt Millen got a TV job
I rest my case.
LOL.
Rex would be great on TV. I wasn't for it but now I wish he had done that.
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 04:36:47 PM
LOL.
Rex would be great on TV. I wasn't for it but now I wish he had done that.
Yeah, in terms of the possible outcomes I wanted to see:
1. Atlanta
2/3. SF/Chicago
4. TV
5. Buffalo
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
Yeah, in terms of the possible outcomes I wanted to see:5 probably would have been him becoming a reality TV star or game show host.
1. Atlanta
2/3. SF/Chicago
4. TV
5. Buffalo
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 04:44:34 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 12, 2015, 04:45:17 PM
Yeah, in terms of the possible outcomes I wanted to see:
1. Atlanta
2/3. SF/Chicago
4. TV
5. Buffalo
In the NFC I could have rooted for him. My friends in Chicago are going to be pissed, they were bugging me for months about how they were getting him.
Post by: Cane on January 12, 2015, 04:49:58 PM
Jam Wide Receivers.
That's what Marcel Dareus is for.
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 05:27:43 PM
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2015, 05:51:00 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 12, 2015, 05:52:48 PM
You mean the carcass of Peyton Manning.
still better than Geno.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 05:56:47 PM
still better than Geno.
The feces of Peyton Manning is better.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2015, 07:02:05 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 12, 2015, 07:04:46 PM
The various beat writers are saying that Jim Schwartz is expected to leave tomorrow despite Rex offering him the chance to stay, and that Thurman will become DC at the Bills.There's a Spaceballs joke in there somewhere.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 12, 2015, 07:33:01 PM
The various beat writers are saying that Jim Schwartz is expected to leave tomorrow despite Rex offering him the chance to stay, and that Thurman will become DC at the Bills.
That sets them back, in my opinion. Schwartz already had a very successful scheme in place and Ryan is obviously too big of a dunce to keep it in place.
Be a head coach, not a coordinator. He is loyal to his own guys to a fault and he sucks at hiring quality coordinators. People like to blame the QB or the GM for his failure in NY, but his OCs were shitty hires and he refuses to admit that someone can do better than him on defense...
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2015, 07:44:13 PM
Just figured with the AFC East being a huge circle jerk why not
Maybe we could bring in Kyle Orton as well
Post by: Ornstein on January 12, 2015, 07:49:54 PM
That sets them back, in my opinion. Schwartz already had a very successful scheme in place and Ryan is obviously too big of a dunce to keep it in place.
Be a head coach, not a coordinator. He is loyal to his own guys to a fault and he sucks at hiring quality coordinators. People like to blame the QB or the GM for his failure in NY, but his OCs were shitty hires and he refuses to admit that someone can do better than him on defense...
I'm guessing Schwartz didnt like the idea of Rex calling the defensive plays so he just said freak it.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2015, 07:56:58 PM
Presumably Schwartz would be a poor fit for us if we grabbed Quinn?
Why do you always use this word? Do you imagine the whole coaching / FA / draft process as being some kind of oversized game of Hungry Hungry Hippos? It's a completely inappropriate term to use.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2015, 08:02:46 PM
Why do you always use this word? Do you imagine the whole coaching / FA / draft process as being some kind of oversized game of Hungry Hungry Hippos? It's a completely inappropriate term to use.
Did someone touch you as a young lad?
It's a completely fitting and appropiate word
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2015, 08:05:41 PM
Did someone touch you as a young lad?
It's a completely fitting and appropiate word
How is it? Free agents and coaches have the choice of who they sign for. You negotiate an agreement with them. There's no grabbing involved. The draft is a turn based selection process. There's also no grabbing involved.
The English language is a little bit difficult for you at times, isn't it?
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2015, 08:09:43 PM
How is it? Free agents and coaches have the choice of who they sign for. You negotiate an agreement with them. There's no grabbing involved. The draft is a turn based selection process. There's also no grabbing involved.
The English language is a little bit difficult for you at times, isn't it?
Exactly
They're free to sign with anyone
So you want to be the first person to grab them off the open market
You wanna gobble them up and sign them before anyone else does
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2015, 08:12:33 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 12, 2015, 08:49:24 PM
You're an idiot.You just grabbed up that opportunity to call me one didn't you?
Post by: Cane on January 12, 2015, 08:50:41 PM
Why do you always use this word? Do you imagine the whole coaching / FA / draft process as being some kind of oversized game of Hungry Hungry Hippos? It's a completely inappropriate term to use.
I would say that the Hippos "chomp" more than "grab."
Post by: Miamipuck on January 12, 2015, 08:53:20 PM
Post by: IATA on January 12, 2015, 09:10:18 PM
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2015, 09:15:28 PM
You just grabbed up that opportunity to call me one didn't you?
Every day is a new opportunity.
Post by: Johnny English on January 12, 2015, 09:16:33 PM
I would say that the Hippos "chomp" more than "grab."
Maybe he envisages it more like Julian Edelman hitting his local nightspot.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 13, 2015, 11:02:53 AM
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/new_bills_coach_rex_ryan_drops_the_ball_with_the_hiring_of_greg_roman/18072185
Post by: Miamipuck on January 13, 2015, 11:03:26 AM
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/new_bills_coach_rex_ryan_drops_the_ball_with_the_hiring_of_greg_roman/18072185
Post by: IATA on January 13, 2015, 11:12:47 AM
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2015, 11:13:40 AM
Rex could have hired the greatest offensive mind our planet has ever known and he would be criticized for it
How dare you doubt the journalistic genius of Yardbarker.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 13, 2015, 11:14:19 AM
Rex could have hired the greatest offensive mind our planet has ever known and he would be criticized for it
Especially here. Somehow every GM and coach we've had has been a moron, but THIS time Woody will hire a genius.
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2015, 11:29:42 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 13, 2015, 11:34:28 AM
Not sure why you posted that in multiple threads. In fact, I'm not sure why we have multiple threads about the coach of the Buffalo Bills at all.
If we're going to be honest, I posted in multiple threads to keep the Rex supporters up to date on their favorite coach.
I won't lie it was to pretty much troll.
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2015, 11:36:29 AM
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2015, 11:38:22 AM
If we're going to be honest, I posted in multiple threads to keep the Rex supporters up to date on their favorite coach.
I won't lie it was to pretty much troll.
Fair enough. We now only have one Rex thread and it's in here, so troll away. Any further discussion of Rex that isn't specifically related to the 2015 New York Jets will be merged into here, because it's time for everyone to move on and welcome our new football overlords without rehashing old baggage any further.
Post by: IATA on January 13, 2015, 11:39:13 AM
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2015, 11:40:48 AM
that freaking buffoon didnt get any dressing on his salad, he got it on the side. the idiot will be lucky to get even close to the arbitrary "right amount" and even if he does, it will be pure dumb luck and he'll go about eating it all wrong. i wouldnt be surprised if he used a god damn spoon, hes such a joke of an nfl head coach.
He had to use a timeout because he didn't know if he wanted croutons or not.
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2015, 11:43:05 AM
Post by: IATA on January 13, 2015, 11:45:54 AM
Post by: Johnny English on January 13, 2015, 11:49:55 AM
he tried putting corn in his salad, even though it wasnt a southwestern salad. the guy has no idea how to build a garden salad ffs!
And every time he went back to the salad bar he filled his bowl with bacon bits first, which while an elite ingredient made for a completely imbalanced meal with little nutritional value.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 13, 2015, 11:52:45 AM
Sounds like you and MB are keeping track of his every fart. Keep up the good work. Make sure you tell us what a bad job he does ordering lunch today.
You guys are a like tweakers hanging on every bit of Rex news for your next fix.
Post by: MBGreen on January 13, 2015, 01:03:05 PM
Sounds like you and MB are keeping track of his every fart. Keep up the good work. Make sure you tell us what a bad job he does ordering lunch today.
#FireBadger
Post by: hawk on January 13, 2015, 01:37:21 PM
He had to use a timeout because he didn't know if he wanted croutons or not.
The executive that prepared the salad got the ingredients from the compost heap.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2015, 02:19:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2015, 02:28:18 PM
(http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr184/abbahj9/Mobile%20Uploads/image-10.jpg)
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 13, 2015, 02:31:12 PM
impossible for Rex to develop this pizza
Post by: bojanglesman on January 13, 2015, 02:34:53 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 13, 2015, 02:38:46 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 13, 2015, 02:39:12 PM
Looks weird seeing Rex in Buffalo, but whatever.
freaking terrible.
Post by: IATA on January 13, 2015, 02:40:37 PM
Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2015, 02:50:40 PM
I must say that I think the poor execution of this pizza is squarely on the Front Office. did Rex pick these toppings? did Rex ask for a pizza with icing or whatever the freak that is? Is that even a real thing that people do? They spend $25 on that pie when they have millions in salary cap space?
impossible for Rex to develop this pizza
Apparently it's dyed ricotta.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 13, 2015, 02:52:13 PM
Post by: hawk on January 13, 2015, 08:38:36 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000457936/article/bills-hire-greg-roman-as-offensive-coordinator
Post by: Heismanberg on January 13, 2015, 08:43:48 PM
Didn't see this posted....
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000457936/article/bills-hire-greg-roman-as-offensive-coordinator
it's been talked about
Post by: hawk on January 13, 2015, 08:46:12 PM
it's been talked about
Yeah. I didn't know if it was being talked about officially or just speculation.
Post by: Tommy on January 13, 2015, 10:32:48 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2015, 10:59:49 AM
Karl Dunbar is at Rex's presser
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2015, 11:06:10 AM
Soft defense though.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2015, 11:08:25 AM
Dennis Thurman, Bobby April, Jeff Weeks, Tim McDobald, Karl Dunbar, Tony Sparano Jr. all here
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2015, 11:08:55 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2015, 11:09:07 AM
Rex on playoff drought: "Get ready, we're going"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2015, 11:10:14 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2015, 11:12:17 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 14, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 5m5 minutes ago
Dennis Thurman, Bobby April, Jeff Weeks, Tim McDobald, Karl Dunbar, Tony Sparano Jr. all here
Jeff Weeks is the reason Pettine went out of his mind.
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2015, 11:15:54 AM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2015, 11:16:54 AM
Rex on the Jets: Thanks the players. "I'm a different man than I was 6 years ago." Admits he must do better job of "building a QB." #nyj
we'll see.
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2015, 11:17:15 AM
So he's taken pretty much his entire coaching staff with him to his new job at a franchise with a strong defensive roster and poor offensive personnel.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Why would he want to do something different with the defense?
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2015, 11:18:28 AM
Rex drops a Ground and Pound reference
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 7m7 minutes ago
Rex: I know we'll lead the league in defense
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 6m6 minutes ago
The muzzle is off
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 5m5 minutes ago
Rex says Bills deserve a "loyal coach" clearly a dig at Marrone
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 3m3 minutes ago
Rex: Do I have to do a better job of building a quarterback? Sure.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
"I'm Brash, In-Your-Face Rex Ryan, and I have DirecTV. I'm Scared of Getting Fired Rex Ryan, and I have cable."
well played.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2015, 11:21:33 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2015, 11:36:16 AM
· 16m 16 minutes ago
Rex says it's false that Bills were his third choice
Brian Costello @BrianCoz
· 6m 6 minutes ago
Rex says it was embarrassing to be fired
Post by: bojanglesman on January 14, 2015, 11:43:33 AM
I don't doubt he'll have a stud defense in Buffalo. He has the talent there (unlike in NY's secondary last year). He's a great motivator. The real question is what he does as head coach and what happens to Buffalo on the offensive side of the ball.
Give him a good offensive line and average qb talent, look out. Give him what he had in NY for the past 2 years and he'll be full of empty promises.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2015, 11:48:14 AM
Rex is being vintage fat Rex at his presser.
I don't doubt he'll have a stud defense in Buffalo. He has the talent there (unlike in NY's secondary last year). He's a great motivator. The real question is what he does as head coach and what happens to Buffalo on the offensive side of the ball.
Give him a good offensive line and average qb talent, look out. Give him what he had in NY for the past 2 years and he'll be full of empty promises.
As we talked about when he was here, middle of the road QB play with his D will have them in contention. What did him in here was bottom of the league QB play, both in Sanchez the last year and a half and two years of Geno.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2015, 11:51:48 AM
Rex asked how bad he wants a shot at the Jets, says it's still the Patriots he wants the most
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2015, 11:53:17 AM
Brian Costello @BrianCoz · 8m8 minutes ago
Rex asked how bad he wants a shot at the Jets, says it's still the Patriots he wants the most
<3
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2015, 12:14:39 PM
<3
They're the team to beat in our division. It would be nice to get them a few losses in the division, assuming we're even in the hunt to worry about it.
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2015, 12:31:22 PM
Why would he want to do something different with the defense?
He hasn't had a top five defense in the last five years. He went from #1 in 2009 to #3 in 2010 to #5 in 2011 before dropping out of the top five completely. Personnel last year were garbage, but once he lost the defensive leaders he brought with him from Ozzie Newsome's roster (Scott, Leonhard) it all went downhill. He's clearly a very strong defensive coach still but let's not go convincing ourselves he's the GOAT.
Post by: Badger on January 14, 2015, 12:34:40 PM
He hasn't had a top five defense in the last five years. He went from #1 in 2009 to #3 in 2010 to #5 in 2011 before dropping out of the top five completely. Personnel last year were garbage, but once he lost the defensive leaders he brought with him from Ozzie Newsome's roster (Scott, Leonhard) it all went downhill. He's clearly a very strong defensive coach still but let's not go convincing ourselves he's the GOAT.
Who said he was?
I was just refuting the notion that Rex doing his thing + better talent somehow is a bad thing. Which is something I would have expected to hear from MB while he's doing his "everything is the opposite of what Seafood says" act.
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2015, 12:42:35 PM
Who said he was?
I was just refuting the notion that Rex doing his thing + better talent somehow is a bad thing. Which is something I would have expected to hear from MB while he's doing his "everything is the opposite of what Seafood says" act.
I would have said that keeping the same team pretty much guarantees the same outcomes, personnel differences notwithstanding. I accept that the biggest change he needs to make is on the offensive side.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
He hasn't had a top five defense in the last five years. He went from #1 in 2009 to #3 in 2010 to #5 in 2011 before dropping out of the top five completely.
Not coincidentally those were the years he had Revis, who was lost in Week 3 of 2012. Terrible trade.
Also, that would leave the last three years, not five. /math
Post by: Miamipuck on January 14, 2015, 12:52:38 PM
Not coincidentally those were the years he had Revis, who was lost in Week 3 of 2012. Terrible trade.
Also, that would leave the last three years, not five. /math
Has your Bruce Smith throwback jersey come in yet?
Post by: Johnny English on January 14, 2015, 12:52:43 PM
He was declining before Revis went down. Coincidentally, the defense was declining as Scott and Leonhard declined.
Post by: MBGreen on January 14, 2015, 12:55:15 PM
Who said he was?
I was just refuting the notion that Rex doing his thing + better talent somehow is a bad thing. Which is something I would have expected to hear from MB while he's doing his "everything is the opposite of what Seafood says" act.
<3
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 14, 2015, 01:00:14 PM
Has your Bruce Smith throwback jersey come in yet?
Haha funny man who lives in Dolphin land. Luckily I still have all my Kotite era stuff, going to need it.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 14, 2015, 01:01:16 PM
Last three years; typo, obviously.
He was declining before Revis went down. Coincidentally, the defense was declining as Scott and Leonhard declined.
Yes because those guys when they had their speed could cover a little bit. When they declined the middle of the Jets defense went from kind of slow to, "you need time lapse photography" to see them move, slow. The Jets interior defense against the pass sucked. To beat the Jets all you had to do was throw quick 1-2 second throws. A perfect example is the Cinci game 2 years ago, Dalton murdered the Jets on those quick throws. It started on the inside that game but the infection quickly morphed to the CB's as well.
It was part of losing Leonhard and Scott to age/injury etc. and the love FO/Rex had for Harris, even though Harris couldn't cover Stephen Hawking on a good day. It was such a glaring weakness that wasn't fixed in 4 years and I have no idea why. Slot WR's and/or TE's just killed the Jets.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 14, 2015, 01:02:10 PM
Haha funny man who lives in Dolphin land. Luckily I still have all my Kotite era stuff, going to need it.
Hey at least I try and show my allegiance, I kicked Dan Marino in the nads the other day.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 14, 2015, 01:10:51 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 14, 2015, 01:17:19 PM
We shouldn't be surprised to see the Bills have a better record than the Jets next year. They are a better team talent-wise. Who knows what these rosters look like come week 1 though.
Fred Jackson at starting QB for the bills
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 14, 2015, 02:19:11 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 14, 2015, 02:34:24 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 14, 2015, 03:41:01 PM
I also think it's a sure thing he won't ever sniff a superbowl (barring the bills trading him to Atlanta or something)
Post by: Miamipuck on January 15, 2015, 09:42:03 AM
http://nypost.com/2015/01/14/hey-buffalo-rex-will-deliver-more-laughs-than-wins/
Post by: Heismanberg on January 15, 2015, 10:38:53 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 15, 2015, 10:48:46 AM
According to Rex, Buffalo is New York's only football team.Soon it'll be Canadas only team
Post by: Johnny English on January 15, 2015, 10:55:50 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 15, 2015, 11:10:16 AM
Why do you keep saying this when it's only a couple of months since it was sold to a guy whose primary selling point was his willingness to keep the team in Buffalo? Moreover, why would he pay $1.4B to take a team to Toronto when Toronto has already proved that it isn't interested in buying tickets to watch the Bills? It would make more sense to move them to London than Toronto.
You're wrong JE, you know Pegula owns the Sabres and he is seriously considering moving them.
Pegula, has a wife from Seoul South Korea, apparently there is a good chance he is going to move the Sabres and Bills to Incheon.
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 15, 2015, 12:57:14 PM
Enjoy IS,SJ, I am posting this for you:
http://nypost.com/2015/01/14/hey-buffalo-rex-will-deliver-more-laughs-than-wins/
I stopped reading half way through; Vaccaro is a great sports author and knows how to spin a story but truthfully I wonder if you would bet against the Bills being in the play offs next year. I doubt it.
I, like IS, have moved on from Rex, we are Jet fans after all not NY Rex fans; our gripe was throwing the baby out with the bath water when there was so much foundation in place. If this next move goes wrong and I am so hoping it does not we are back in the wilderness. You show a lack of reality about the game in the AFC East- what is sure to be the most brutal division in the NFL next year!
Post by: Miamipuck on January 15, 2015, 01:12:48 PM
I stopped reading half way through; Vaccaro is a great sports author and knows how to spin a story but truthfully I wonder if you would bet against the Bills being in the play offs next year. I doubt it.
I, like IS, have moved on from Rex, we are Jet fans after all not NY Rex fans; our gripe was throwing the baby out with the bath water when there was so much foundation in place. If this next move goes wrong and I am so hoping it does not we are back in the wilderness. You show a lack of reality about the game in the AFC East- what is sure to be the most brutal division in the NFL next year!
Yeah it's going to be more competitive than the NFCW? or AFCN?
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2015, 01:32:18 PM
Yeah it's going to be more competitive than the NFCW? or AFCN?
The AFC East and North were nearly identical in 2013. They were definitely more competitive in 2014 though. But I don't think there's a huge gap between them right now.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 15, 2015, 02:16:05 PM
I, like IS, have moved on from Rex, we are Jet fans after all not NY Rex fans; our gripe was throwing the baby out with the bath water when there was so much foundation in place. If this next move goes wrong and I am so hoping it does not we are back in the wilderness.
Sums up my thoughts perfectly.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 15, 2015, 07:32:03 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 15, 2015, 07:39:29 PM
Nick Mangold supported Rex's firing. He must not have remembered playing for the Jets in 2009 and 2010.
Where did you see that?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 15, 2015, 07:47:16 PM
Where did you see that?
On Boomer and Carton he said he supported it because "we are in the business of winning and 4-12 is not winning. Changes had to be made."
Post by: Ornstein on January 15, 2015, 07:52:09 PM
On Boomer and Carton he said he supported it because "we are in the business of winning and 4-12 is not winning. Changes had to be made."'
I'm glad he said that, the offense was probably sick of seeing our defensive players wash Rex's balls every chance they got.
Post by: Tommy on January 15, 2015, 08:08:06 PM
On Boomer and Carton he said he supported it because "we are in the business of winning and 4-12 is not winning. Changes had to be made."
The freak is he talking about? Anything after the 2010 season doesn't count because the teams weren't very good.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 15, 2015, 08:47:33 PM
On Boomer and Carton he said he supported it because "we are in the business of winning and 4-12 is not winning. Changes had to be made."
It's not any different then what we all thought.
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2015, 09:21:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 15, 2015, 09:42:47 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 15, 2015, 10:27:09 PM
Well duh. What did you expect him to say?
Me? Huh? I didn't expect excrement, I asked what he said.
Post by: Badger on January 15, 2015, 10:43:21 PM
Me? Huh? I didn't expect excrement, I asked what he said.
Not "you" you. I meant you everybody.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 15, 2015, 11:12:35 PM
Not "you" you. I meant you everybody.
All the coke I do makes me paranoid, brb the CIA is at my door.
Post by: AlioTheFool on January 16, 2015, 09:24:48 AM
They asked him if he was surprised Rex got fired. he said no, the writing was on the wall after a down season like that.
Stop painting this unlike the media.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 16, 2015, 08:08:14 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on January 16, 2015, 08:30:54 PM
Rex is putting together one of the worst looking coaching staffs that I can remember
You just don't like him.
Post by: Libero_2 on January 16, 2015, 08:59:46 PM
Rex is putting together one of the worst looking coaching staffs that I can remember
You mean the same staff he had here, but with some different offensive coaches?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 16, 2015, 09:37:25 PM
You mean the same staff he had here, but with some different offensive coaches?
He hired Aaron Kromer...the dude that talked excrement about Jay Cutler anonymously to the media and then admitted it and cried.
And he brought David Lee with him to be QB coach.
Also, Greg Roman sucks
Post by: Johnny English on January 16, 2015, 10:24:18 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000442582/article/aaron-kromer-apologizes-for-criticizing-jay-cutler
Post by: MBGreen on January 16, 2015, 10:49:33 PM
Post by: Jumbo on January 17, 2015, 05:01:05 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 17, 2015, 05:21:07 PM
WR coach Sanjay Lal will join Rex in BuffaloNo. Why god why.
Post by: MBGreen on January 17, 2015, 05:39:53 PM
WR coach Sanjay Lal will join Rex in Buffalo
thank god Rex doesn't learn from his mistakes. ahahaha!
Post by: dcm1602 on January 17, 2015, 06:34:07 PM
He hired Aaron Kromer...the dude that talked excrement about Jay Cutler anonymously to the media and then admitted it and cried.I'd rather the bills sign the guy who talked excrement about Jay Cutler, then a guy who would trade for him.
And he brought David Lee with him to be QB coach.
Also, Greg Roman sucks
Post by: Miamipuck on January 18, 2015, 07:09:28 AM
http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?506639-Sanjay-Lal-new-WR-coach
Post by: MBGreen on January 18, 2015, 09:14:32 AM
Lmao:
http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?506639-Sanjay-Lal-new-WR-coach
"Is it the players or the coaching..i don't know...duurrrrr"
Post by: dcm1602 on January 28, 2015, 03:52:06 PM
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Kimberley A. Martin
Bruce Irvin, who was drafted one spot ahead of Coples in '12: "I wanted to go to the #Jets too. I'm not even gonna lie." I just liked Rex."
2:30PM EST
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 29, 2015, 09:05:21 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 29, 2015, 09:05:45 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2015, 08:08:08 AM
Rex Ryan modifies famed Sanchez tattoo into Bills colors: http://nyp.st/16bIxM7 via @nypost
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/rex.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1)
Post by: Miamipuck on February 03, 2015, 08:10:38 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2015, 08:11:32 AM
Whatever
How many more times is that tattoo going to change colors. I predict 2
Post by: dcm1602 on February 03, 2015, 08:19:50 AM
How many more times is that tattoo going to change colors. I predict 2I can only imagine him getting one more hcing job after this, if even that.
Otherwise he's going to be getting espn tattooed on it
Post by: Miamipuck on February 03, 2015, 08:20:30 AM
How many more times is that tattoo going to change colors. I predict 2
It's pretty dumb for an HC to be in the news for that. By dumb I mean totally 100% embarrassing. He's still hasn't learned how to act like one.
Post by: Jetaho on February 03, 2015, 10:13:19 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 03, 2015, 10:20:53 AM
I'm looking forward to reading a lot of "I freaking hate that stupid Rex Ryan" posts in the coming years.
Because we're losing to the Bills? I can't imagine a ton of hate posts if we are sweeping them every year.
Post by: Badger on February 03, 2015, 04:02:53 PM
I'm looking forward to reading a lot of "I freaking hate that stupid Rex Ryan" posts in the coming years.
It's weird seeing everyone transform into the kind of fans we've always mocked.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 03, 2015, 04:36:15 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on February 08, 2015, 08:15:50 AM
Rex's first move in Buffalo (as far as I know) was to sign Incognito
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 08, 2015, 09:25:44 AM
Post by: JFIF on February 08, 2015, 09:43:19 AM
He should see what Channing Crowder is up to these days.
He's the co host of a radio show in Miami.
has been for awhile
Post by: Badger on February 19, 2015, 10:03:05 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 19, 2015, 10:38:24 AM
https://twitter.com/DrewfromJoisey/status/568438612997644288
loooooool
Post by: MBGreen on February 19, 2015, 01:14:49 PM
The Buffalo Bills have begun calling their coaching staff the "Dream Team." pic.twitter.com/YwuE0bCyii
lol
Post by: Miamipuck on February 19, 2015, 02:19:08 PM
Tim Graham @ByTimGraham 21m21 minutes ago
The Buffalo Bills have begun calling their coaching staff the "Dream Team." pic.twitter.com/YwuE0bCyii
lol
(http://meetville.com/images/quotes/Quotation-Erin-Morgenstern-dreams-Meetville-Quotes-174795.jpg)
Post by: bojanglesman on February 19, 2015, 04:53:10 PM
Post by: Tommy on February 19, 2015, 10:16:57 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 20, 2015, 02:32:16 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 20, 2015, 02:34:16 PM
Ryan is such a slob. The dude is wearing a baggy Bills jersey and sweatpants walking at the combine.
#casualfridays
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 20, 2015, 02:38:25 PM
Ryan is such a slob. The dude is wearing a baggy Bills jersey and sweatpants walking at the combine.
Belichick looks classy tho
Post by: Heismanberg on February 20, 2015, 02:42:07 PM
Belichick looks classy tho
He's a bum too
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2015, 02:46:49 PM
Ryan is such a slob. The dude is wearing a baggy Bills jersey and sweatpants walking at the combine.
(http://media.nj.com/jets_impact/photo/bowlesjpg-4babea2d9a49fa14.jpg)
Post by: Miamipuck on February 20, 2015, 02:53:17 PM
(http://media.nj.com/jets_impact/photo/bowlesjpg-4babea2d9a49fa14.jpg)
(http://gifsoup.com/view4/1671293/what-you-talkin-bout-willis-o.gif)
What does Todd Bridges have to do with Rex Ryan?
Post by: Heismanberg on February 20, 2015, 02:54:22 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 20, 2015, 02:56:47 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 20, 2015, 03:03:28 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on February 20, 2015, 03:04:40 PM
Bill Belichick has a sweatshirt with his own name on it. Douche.
You could say the same if it had Douche on the front of it.
Post by: MBGreen on February 27, 2015, 06:30:29 AM
Post by: Koz on February 27, 2015, 07:05:35 AM
Post by: MBGreen on February 27, 2015, 09:33:14 AM
He really is an derriere clown. So glad that he's out of here.It's going to be funny watching their offense crash and burn
Post by: NDMick on February 27, 2015, 01:08:23 PM
Even those who incest on the weekends might say it's a little tacky.
Post by: MBGreen on February 27, 2015, 01:15:33 PM
That's the most NFL 'merica truck I have ever seen.
Even those who incest on the weekends might say it's a little tacky.
In November, Rex should load up the Bills offense in the back of that truck, and drive off the nearest cliff.
Post by: Johnny English on February 27, 2015, 01:30:00 PM
That's the most NFL 'merica truck I have ever seen.
Even those who incest on the weekends might say it's a little tacky.
(http://i.imgur.com/qS8jVZV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/71R9rSj.jpg)
(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/Seahawks-ferrari-super-02-19-15.jpg)
Post by: Miamipuck on February 27, 2015, 01:52:56 PM
Post by: Johnny English on February 27, 2015, 01:54:33 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on February 27, 2015, 01:59:28 PM
Post by: Fenwyr on February 27, 2015, 02:54:56 PM
Care to wager how much he knows about Hawks football pre-2013?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 27, 2015, 08:45:14 PM
Yeah, the Lambo looks badass.
Care to wager how much he knows about Hawks football pre-2013?
Not every team has shitty fans before winning a Super Bowl. I know some huge Seattle fans who go way back.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on February 27, 2015, 08:47:50 PM
Post by: Cane on February 28, 2015, 06:17:03 AM
Post by: Badger on February 28, 2015, 08:43:44 AM
This whole thing with the flashy truck and the hiring of all our old coaches comes off as very "high school breakup". The ex goes out of her way to make sure everyone sees her with her new boyfriend, talks about how happy they are, doing all the stuff she and her ex used to do. Only a matter of time before Rex tearfully calls Woody while wearing his Play like a Jet shirt and reading his NYC themed poetry.
Jets fans spend a lot more time talking about Rex than he does about the Jets.
Post by: Cane on February 28, 2015, 01:11:47 PM
Jets fans spend a lot more time talking about Rex than he does about the Jets.
Jet fans, sure. I doubt anyone in the organization thinks we aren't better off now than we were a few months ago.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 28, 2015, 11:28:22 PM
Hopefully he'll have Mario Williams jam Eric Decker at the LOS.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
Rex gonna Rex
Post by: Heismanberg on March 12, 2015, 10:41:56 AM
@mikerodak: Rex Ryan said on @FAN590 that he tried to trade for Tyrod Taylor when he was with the Jets.
Rex gonna Rex
He tried to trade for a guy that will be his third string QB in Buffalo behind two complete bums?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 12, 2015, 10:43:49 AM
He tried to trade for a guy that will be his third string QB in Buffalo behind two complete bums?
1st string wildcat QB doe
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2015, 10:51:22 AM
1st string wildcat QB doe
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1657942/kitty-wobble-o.gif)
Post by: ukilledkenny on March 12, 2015, 11:44:48 AM
Post by: Johnny English on March 12, 2015, 11:54:46 AM
"No."
.......
"John, can you get me Tyrod Taylor?"
"No."
........
"Woody, can you tell John to get me Tyrod Taylor?"
"No."
Post by: Derek Smalls on March 12, 2015, 01:38:29 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 12, 2015, 01:39:15 PM
"Mike, can you get me Tyrod Taylor?"
"No."
.......
"John, can you get me Tyrod Taylor?"
"No."
........
"Woody, can you tell John to get me Tyrod Taylor?"
"No."
Yes this is exactly how it happened.
Post by: bojanglesman on March 12, 2015, 02:50:27 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on March 12, 2015, 05:09:54 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on March 12, 2015, 05:28:16 PM
Dunbar is so uglyMaybe it's because he's standing next to Rex. He's pretty hot right?
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 13, 2015, 10:54:45 AM
Dunbar is so ugly
Drank with him a few times, great guy.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 26, 2015, 12:36:35 PM
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Asked Tuesday at the AFC coaches media breakfast if he was bitter that Johnson waited until after firing him to make a big-money splurge to bring back Revis and Cromartie, the new Bills coach zinged his two former cornerbacks instead.
“I don’t know if we could have used them,” Ryan said. “They might have been backups [in Buffalo].”
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2015, 12:54:05 PM
Post by: hawk on March 26, 2015, 01:54:11 PM
(http://p.fod4.com/p/media/undefined/JeOZJgfTR8eIYZjJiEQ5_Beach%20Ball%20Bounce.gif)
Post by: AlioTheFool on March 26, 2015, 03:22:47 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on March 26, 2015, 03:46:11 PM
Rex apologist mode engaged:
We all understand that Rex was joking right? Everyone that tweeted the story was pretty clear he was just joking.
Fixed for you
Post by: Italian Seafood on March 27, 2015, 11:54:35 AM
We all understand that Rex was joking right? Everyone that tweeted the story was pretty clear he was just joking.
Rex never jokes. Everything he says must be taken seriously, analyzed and picked apart completely.
Post by: Heismanberg on March 27, 2015, 03:18:58 PM
Rex never jokes.
His last few years as the HC of the New York Jets were a joke.
Post by: NDMick on March 27, 2015, 03:26:45 PM
Rex never jokes. Everything he says must be taken seriously, analyzed and picked apart completely.
He was serious about trading for Tyrod Taylor.
Post by: MBGreen on March 27, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Rex never jokes. Everything he says must be taken seriously, analyzed and picked apart completely.He was also serious about signing the deed to Fort Knox over to Charles Clay.
Post by: Miamipuck on March 27, 2015, 03:52:56 PM
He was also serious about signing the deed to Fort Knox over to Charles Clay.
25 years down the road that contract will look cheap.
So long as the cap goes up to 1 billion dollars.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2015, 04:56:57 PM
Then he texted me a terrible joke about Rex putting BBQ sauce on his wife's feet...
Post by: Badger on April 10, 2015, 05:03:51 PM
My friend and his wife are eating at this great BBQ place near Clemson. Rex Ryan and his wife came in and people started booing him.
Then he texted me a terrible joke about Rex putting BBQ sauce on his wife's feet...
They were shitposting live.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 29, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
Post by: Coach K on April 29, 2015, 09:50:25 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/29/joe-namath-adds-his-voice-to-the-anti-rex-ryan-chorus/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs
We need to win a SB just so I don't have to see these shitty What does Namath have to say articles. Like 3 per year
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2015, 09:56:14 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 29, 2015, 09:57:15 AM
Post by: Tommy on April 29, 2015, 10:00:36 AM
Elderly Joe Namath makes me wish younger Joe Namath never won the Super Bowl. No one would give a freak about talking to him then.
Seriously. It's not like I get much pride out of that win anyway since it happened more than a decade before I was even born.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 29, 2015, 10:14:03 AM
Elderly Joe Namath makes me wish younger Joe Namath never won the Super Bowl. No one would give a freak about talking to him then.
It just makes me wish even more we had won one since so he'd be irrelevant. I can't imagine dragging Richard Todd out for an opinion here and there could be any worse.
Post by: Badger on April 29, 2015, 12:45:12 PM
We need to win a SB just so I don't have to see these shitty What does Namath have to say articles. Like 3 per year
Yeah but now that he's saying something people agree with they're gonna pretend his opinion is relevant again.
Post by: MBGreen on May 20, 2015, 08:19:50 AM
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 3h3 hours ago
Rex Ryan talks up Jerry Hughes http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Mb9
Post by: Miamipuck on May 20, 2015, 08:29:00 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on May 20, 2015, 10:41:44 AM
Post by: Tommy on May 20, 2015, 11:28:26 AM
I hope Jerry Hughes likes jamming Brandon Marshall
Hahahaha
Post by: Heismanberg on May 24, 2015, 11:00:57 AM
Post by: MBGreen on May 24, 2015, 11:09:26 AM
Ryan is playing Mario Williams at 3-4 OLB.
jamming WRs should be the next step in his progression.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 01, 2015, 11:22:46 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000494890/article/rex-ryan-gives-team-off-day-for-jim-kellys-golf-outing
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 04, 2015, 10:50:37 AM
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It’s not just Bills players and former players who are hyped up about the coming season.
Their customers are buying in, too.
According to Vic Carucci of the Buffalo News, the Bills are close to announcing that they’ve broken their season-ticket sales record.
The old mark of 57,132 was set in 1992, back when the team was good.
Interest has waned in recent years — as a 15-year streak of not going to the playoffs has been known to diminish fan enthusiasm.
But with Ryan whipping the crowd into a frenzy, Hall of Famer Thurman Thomas predicting a playoff berth and a rush of big-ticket acquisitions this offseason, there’s optimism in Western New York, such that there hasn’t been in years.
All this has been done without a quarterback of note, which makes us wonder how long it will last.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on June 04, 2015, 10:51:38 AM
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Rex Ryan is continuing his big talk.
Asked about the Bills’ 15-year playoff drought, the longest in the NFL, Ryan told ESPN that he thinks his team will be in the playoffs this season.
“I think we’ll be in [the playoffs] this year,” Ryan said. “So we’ll see.”
Asked again about the playoffs, Ryan again said he thinks it’s happening.
“I think we will,” Ryan said. “Yep, I think we will.”
That’s not quite the Super Bowl guarantee that Ryan once made as head coach of the Jets, but Ryan did make one guarantee.
“I can guarantee you one thing: Teams aren’t going to want to play us, I can tell you that much,” he said. “You’ll see. Hey, come watch practice and you’ll probably come away with the same feeling I have. We’re loaded on defense and we’re loaded at the skill positions. So we’ll see.”
We’ll have to wait and see whether Ryan can really take the Bills to the playoffs, but we don’t have to wait to hear Ryan promise big things. We knew that was coming as soon as he got the job.
Post by: bojanglesman on June 04, 2015, 11:22:53 AM
I will say that I loved his style when we were winning. Our fanbase needed some balls and he gave us confidence. But I had a thick set of green lenses on my glasses. I'm starting to see what other teams were seeing when they looked at the Jets with Rex Ryan.
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 04, 2015, 11:28:31 AM
Rex is good for the league. Like him or not, his bravado gets people talking about the NFL. He's like the bad guy in wrestling unless he's your coach. He is doing great things for Buffalo as far as reviving a dead fanbase. I hope he sticks around for a while. I just think he had flamed out here. It could have worked out but it didn't. It was best for both sides to move on.
I will say that I loved his style when we were winning. Our fanbase needed some balls and he gave us confidence. But I had a thick set of green lenses on my glasses. I'm starting to see what other teams were seeing when they looked at the Jets with Rex Ryan.
I'm glad he's in the league but wish he wasn't in the division. We'll see what we have in Bowles, only time will tell if he's an improvement.
Post by: Pope on June 04, 2015, 01:15:44 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on June 04, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 04, 2015, 03:26:31 PM
Now i can't wait to see him get fired again.
Post by: Miamipuck on June 04, 2015, 03:49:13 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on June 04, 2015, 04:13:23 PM
StarLord? lol
Gaylord must have been taken.
Post by: Badger on June 04, 2015, 04:23:02 PM
Gaylord must have been taken.
3.5 honks
Post by: MBGreen on June 04, 2015, 05:10:20 PM
Gaylord must have been taken.It's there...waiting for you and your earring.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on June 04, 2015, 05:34:25 PM
Post by: MBGreen on June 04, 2015, 05:36:15 PM
You...you think you remind people of Star Lord?Sure...what the hell.
Post by: dcm1602 on June 07, 2015, 11:26:17 AM
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3. From the "One-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words" file: This happened Wednesday night in the Delta Lounge at Yankee Stadium, where WFAN radio personalities Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton held their "True Blue" softball event to raise money and honor the memories of three recently slain New York City police officers.
In a room filled with celebrities, media and VIP fans, Bowles sat alone on a bar stool, occasionally posing for a picture and signing an autograph. About 20 feet away was Ryan, surrounded by a swarm of reporters. Imagine: The former coach generated more buzz than the current coach. But you know what? Bowles seemed perfectly content. And so did Ryan.
Post by: Derek Smalls on June 08, 2015, 07:30:47 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on June 10, 2015, 02:23:43 PM
It was obvious from the beginning those fans would love Rex. He'll talk a big game, and he's a good enough coach where he probably will take them to the playoffs before he leaves. That fan base has been beaten down for 15 years, Rex is a perfect fit personalitywise.
Sounds like our fan base when he got here. We at least had some minor success in the years before he got here.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 01, 2015, 04:48:26 PM
lmao
Post by: Miamipuck on August 01, 2015, 05:30:05 PM
Post by: Tommy on August 01, 2015, 05:33:01 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on August 02, 2015, 07:07:46 AM
Post by: nyjunc on August 03, 2015, 10:37:40 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 03, 2015, 10:38:48 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 14, 2015, 07:10:52 AM
Post by: NDMick on August 14, 2015, 07:48:41 AM
https://medium.com/sportspickle/rex-ryan-offers-roster-spot-to-anyone-who-punches-bill-belichick-in-the-dick-e1661ff6c33d
this is the funniest thing any coach has ever said.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 14, 2015, 08:05:12 AM
Post by: Tommy on August 14, 2015, 08:45:32 AM
Post by: NDMick on August 14, 2015, 08:46:28 AM
You can almost believe Ryan said that.
When you're still not awake and you don't read what website it's from, you can most definitely believe that.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 14, 2015, 09:21:47 AM
I like the caption on the bottom "Broken Jaw to force Geno Smith to miss 18-30 turnovers"Ha. Awesome.
Post by: MBGreen on August 14, 2015, 04:39:30 PM
Rex Ryan tells Real Sports that he knew in free agency he would be fired once he saw how little Idzik did to shore up team. #Jets
#IdzikDaNinja
Post by: bojanglesman on August 14, 2015, 04:54:14 PM
Jane McManus @janesports 32m32 minutes ago
Rex Ryan tells Real Sports that he knew in free agency he would be fired once he saw how little Idzik did to shore up team. #Jets
#IdzikDaNinja
https://www.google.com/search?q=nigga+idzik&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
jetoffensive.com is the 4th result
#Idzikdanigga
/Tommy
Post by: Fenwyr on August 14, 2015, 05:43:29 PM
https://www.google.com/search?q=nigga+idzik&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
jetoffensive.com is the 4th result
#Idzikdanigga
/Tommy
The septic tank is 5th.
Post by: dcm1602 on August 17, 2015, 11:27:17 AM
Jane McManus @janesports 32m32 minutes agoHe also said he wanted the Jets to get Revis and DeSean Jackson too and Idzik said no.
Rex Ryan tells Real Sports that he knew in free agency he would be fired once he saw how little Idzik did to shore up team. #Jets
#IdzikDaNinja
I mean on one hand the Pats wouldn't have *won* the superbowl, but on the other we would probably be substantially worse off today
Post by: Tommy on August 17, 2015, 11:31:43 AM
Jane McManus @janesports 32m32 minutes ago
Rex Ryan tells Real Sports that he knew in free agency he would be fired once he saw how little Idzik did to shore up team. #Jets
#IdzikDaNinja
Idzik's dastardly scheme!
Post by: Tommy on August 17, 2015, 11:32:11 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on August 17, 2015, 11:33:45 AM
Incompetence=/=willfully making a team worse
Post by: Heismanberg on August 17, 2015, 12:06:37 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 17, 2015, 12:26:28 PM
Rex Ryan: I wanted all the good players!
Tajh Boyd was good, Rex just couldn't develop him.
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 17, 2015, 12:39:23 PM
He didn't, he just didn't know freak all about running a team. He wasn't prepared and didn't have a plan.
Incompetence=/=willfully making a team worse
He had a plan. His plan was to clear cap space and load up on draft picks to make the team competitive with young, cheap talent and fill in the holes the following year with free agents/cap space. He just failed miserably at phase one and got canned before phase two.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 19, 2015, 06:45:39 AM
Post by: sg3 on August 19, 2015, 07:13:05 AM
@NFLonCBS: Rex Ryan: 'I'm not a Super Bowl winning coach, but I'm getting ready to be'There he goes again, boasting and bullsh*ting
Meanwhile the White House still awaits his first visit, guaranteed in 2009 followed by a six year cumulative losing record and ending on a high note as "the best 4 win team in the NFL"
Post by: Heismanberg on August 19, 2015, 07:14:38 AM
There he goes again, boasting and bullshitting
Meanwhile the White House still awaits his first visit, guaranteed in 2009 followed by a six year cumulative losing record and ending on a high note as "the best 4 win team in the NFL"
Fixed your post.
Don't ever censor yourself again.
Post by: sg3 on August 19, 2015, 07:19:59 AM
Fixed your post.Thanks
Don't ever censor yourself again.
Came here from more prudish places. Won't freaking happen again!!
Post by: Pope on August 19, 2015, 01:36:48 PM
ThanksWatch the language please
Came here from more prudish places. Won't freaking happen again!!
Post by: Badger on August 19, 2015, 01:58:30 PM
Watch the language please
I'll freak your father in the derriere with your mother's headless corpse.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 19, 2015, 01:59:58 PM
I'll freak your father in the derriere with your mother's headless corpse.
What if his father wanted head?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 19, 2015, 02:04:29 PM
What if his father wanted head?
That's why you're around, you gay fluffer.
Post by: Miamipuck on August 19, 2015, 02:12:28 PM
That's why you're around, you gay fluffer.
freak you you freaking freak.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 20, 2015, 07:52:47 PM
Post by: Johnny English on August 20, 2015, 08:01:10 PM
Post by: NDMick on August 20, 2015, 09:09:55 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on August 20, 2015, 09:47:26 PM
Taylor looks like Rex's dream QB, it's basically like running the wildcat on every play. Snap, one look and run.
Teams will force him to play within the pocket and it will be glorious.
Post by: Hemi on August 21, 2015, 04:03:21 AM
Based on tonight, we can expect an announcement soon that Tyrod Taylor is the starting QB for the Bills. I suspect he'll cause some headaches for a little while until he gets crushed like all running QBs do.
Running around is not going to work in the regular season when
teams game plan for it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 21, 2015, 07:03:43 AM
the actual result will be funnier though.
Post by: sg3 on August 21, 2015, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on August 21, 2015, 09:45:45 AM
This should be hilarious. I almost hope it works just to see the reaction here.
the actual result will be funnier though.
Not if he is being chased by our LBs running their 4.9 40.
Post by: nyjunc on August 21, 2015, 10:06:11 AM
Post by: MBGreen on August 21, 2015, 10:10:46 AM
I still have a hard time believing Taylor will be their QB even though it looks like that.
Rex is an offensive dunce...so no, it's not hard to believe at all.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 21, 2015, 10:47:03 AM
Rex is an offensive dunce...so no, it's not hard to believe at all.
Who would you start at QB, smartypants?
Post by: bojanglesman on August 21, 2015, 10:49:28 AM
Who would you start at QB, smartypants?
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 21, 2015, 10:51:36 AM
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MB would start himself? Interesting.
Post by: AlioTheFool on August 21, 2015, 10:53:44 AM
Who would you start at QB, smartypants?
McCoy.
Post by: nyjunc on August 21, 2015, 10:56:33 AM
Who would you start at QB, smartypants?
I think Manuel will end up winning that job. I am not in practice watching the 3 of them but I have a hard time believing he will go w/ a QB that cannot throw.
Post by: MBGreen on August 21, 2015, 11:06:25 AM
MB would start himself? Interesting.Lorenzen is a gazelle....do it.
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Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2015, 11:33:13 AM
I think Manuel will end up winning that job. I am not in practice watching the 3 of them but I have a hard time believing he will go w/ a QB that cannot throw.
Tyrod Taylor can throw, especially outside of the pocket. Teams will just gameplan to contain him and keep him inside the pocket and he'll become an average-at-best player that way.
EJ Manuel is a bad player. Taylor is not.
Post by: nyjunc on August 21, 2015, 11:36:51 AM
Tyrod Taylor can throw, especially outside of the pocket. Teams will just gameplan to contain him and keep him inside the pocket and he'll become an average-at-best player that way.
EJ Manuel is a bad player. Taylor is not.
Taylor is a gimmick QB. Manuel, like Geno, has sucked through 2 years but you can't throw him away just yet. they have plenty of talent on O.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2015, 01:09:28 PM
Taylor is a gimmick QB.
No, he's not.
Post by: nyjunc on August 21, 2015, 02:54:59 PM
No, he's not.
he looks like one to me at this point unless they can develop him. these read option guys only have success for so long.
I haven't seen a ton of him but the limited amount I have he doesn't look ready to be a starter.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2015, 03:03:59 PM
these read option guys only have success for so long.
Tyrod Taylor is not a read option quarterback. He was a four year starter in a pro-style heavy scheme at Virginia Tech. You're watching him play within a scheme now that's designed to use his athleticism get him outside the pocket. He's coming from Baltimore where he was Joe Flacco's backup. He wouldn't have lasted multiple seasons behind a statuesque QB like that without having some ability to play in a pro-style offense.
I don't think he'll ever be a great starter in the NFL either, but your reasoning clearly shows you don't know what you're talking about on this one.
Post by: nyjunc on August 21, 2015, 03:10:46 PM
Tyrod Taylor is not a read option quarterback. He was a four year starter in a pro-style heavy scheme at Virginia Tech. You're watching him play within a scheme now that's designed to use his athleticism get him outside the pocket. He's coming from Baltimore where he was Joe Flacco's backup. He wouldn't have lasted multiple seasons behind a statuesque QB like that without having some ability to play in a pro-style offense.
I don't think he'll ever be a great starter in the NFL either, but your reasoning clearly shows you don't know what you're talking about on this one.
he was a 3rd string QB in Baltimore, I would guess he wasn't active for many games.
I have not seen a lot of him so it appears I am off but he looked like a read option type guy last night.
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2015, 03:55:16 PM
I have not seen a lot of him so it appears I am off but he looked like a read option type guy last night.
racist
Post by: Heismanberg on August 21, 2015, 03:57:21 PM
Post by: nyjunc on August 21, 2015, 04:00:50 PM
And I'm pretty sure he was the backup. He's the only QB besides Joe Flacco to record statistics in the regular season.
I believe Schaub was the backup last year
Post by: Hemi on August 21, 2015, 04:02:50 PM
I believe Schaub was the backup last year
Raiders last year
Post by: nyjunc on August 21, 2015, 04:07:34 PM
Raiders last year
ok so I guess he was the backup. Schaub is there this year.
My apologies, thank you for the correction and strike my Tyrod Taylor remarks from the record ;D
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 26, 2015, 11:16:55 AM
Quote
Coach Rex Ryan singled out undrafted rookie WR Andre Davis as a player who has "really taken off" in training camp.
Coach Rex Ryan said the Bills have been receiving "a lot of calls" regarding WR Deonte Thompson.
Classic rex
Post by: sg3 on August 26, 2015, 12:37:12 PM
Classic rexAndre gives us the best chance to win, and all that stuff!!!...
Andre Davis?? Goldangit I thought that guy's name was Andre Reed?? These are the Bills...no??
Post by: Heismanberg on August 31, 2015, 10:32:23 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2015, 11:04:39 AM
Turdrod Taylor starting in BuffaloI hope he runs a lot.
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2015, 11:05:49 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on August 31, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Post by: ons on September 01, 2015, 08:14:24 AM
Turdrod Taylor starting in Buffalo
Seems crazy to me. I know reports say he's had a solid preseason, but I just feel like he'll end up costing them games because he hasn't seen full-speed, complex NFL defenses yet, and I don't see how his anticipation skills and his ability to go through reads is at the 'game-manager' level even with good arm talent and mobility.
Post by: Johnny English on September 01, 2015, 08:38:26 AM
Seems crazy to me. I know reports say he's had a solid preseason, but I just feel like he'll end up costing them games because he hasn't seen full-speed, complex NFL defenses yet, and I don't see how his anticipation skills and his ability to go through reads is at the 'game-manager' level even with good arm talent and mobility.
It's almost like Rex left his offensive magic in East Rutherford.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 01, 2015, 11:24:20 AM
Post by: Johnny English on September 01, 2015, 11:32:17 AM
Rex is no stranger to a novice QB so he's not afraid of that. Difference is this time he's not stuck with the guy if he stumbles.
This is Taylor's fifth year in the league.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 01, 2015, 11:36:27 AM
This is Taylor's fifth year in the league.
That's an old vet for Rex then.
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2015, 01:17:03 PM
Rex says Jace Amaro made "stupid comments" but says he feels bad he was placed on IR. But adds, "I wasn't afraid of him."
thanks for clearing that up, Rex.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 01, 2015, 01:37:48 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2015, 01:39:39 PM
Rex isn't wrong.
Rex is always wrong.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 01, 2015, 02:06:34 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 01, 2015, 05:06:52 PM
Quote
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 28s28 seconds ago
Bills claim former Jets C Dalton Freeman on waivers. Rex loves him some ex-Jets, especially if they're from Clemson. #nyj
Probably makes sense for them. Their o-line is so terrible, he might play some.
Post by: NDMick on September 01, 2015, 06:27:52 PM
Post by: Badger on September 01, 2015, 06:58:29 PM
^ 5-11 here they come.
4 wins against the Pats and Phins, what's the other one?
Post by: MBGreen on September 01, 2015, 07:06:05 PM
4 wins against the Pats and Phins, what's the other one?The skins
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Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 02:19:07 PM
Week 1: 21 points off turnovers
2014 season: 20 points off turnovers
#FireRex
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 02:26:49 PM
#FireRex
It's
#keepRexbecauseheisfunandlikesfeet
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 02:40:57 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on September 14, 2015, 02:54:04 PM
did you guys happen to see what Rex did against Indy? last year was about talent(lack of) not coaching.
You weren't here so you didn't see it, but I was one of the last Rex apologists standing last year. That said, while I don't disagree a lack of talent was an issue last year, Rex's problems went beyond just talent.
Discipline was atrocious--and led to far too many penalties. We've already seen the complete opposite in just one game. Rex had zero desire to work with the offense. That's a problem for a head coach.
Rex was fun and I'll never forget that he brought us to two conference title games, but it was time to move on because he didn't do his job well enough anymore.
Post by: MexJetinBcn on September 14, 2015, 02:57:47 PM
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 03:02:53 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 03:03:57 PM
You weren't here so you didn't see it, but I was one of the last Rex apologists standing last year. That said, while I don't disagree a lack of talent was an issue last year, Rex's problems went beyond just talent.
Discipline was atrocious--and led to far too many penalties. We've already seen the complete opposite in just one game. Rex had zero desire to work with the offense. That's a problem for a head coach.
Rex was fun and I'll never forget that he brought us to two conference title games, but it was time to move on because he didn't do his job well enough anymore.
Rex is great as long as the players trust him and buy his speech. That was the case the first years he was here, but the last two were a circus act. I love him, but I'm happy he's gone.
Yes yes yes and more yes.................
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2015, 03:08:22 PM
I love everything about Bowles so far so I am not complaining but I still love Rex. Our issues were more about talent than coaching in recent years.
Lets see how the Bills offense looks under Rex first
If Rex can turn the Bills into a top 20 offense for 3 of the next 4 seasons then he deserves all the apologies in the world.
If he cant (which I imagine he wont) , well that will be the story of his career
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 14, 2015, 03:15:37 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 03:18:12 PM
I love everything about Bowles so far so I am not complaining but I still love Rex. Our issues were more about talent than coaching in recent years.
There were talent issues, yes.
But if you don't think Rex ignored the offense...then i hope you enjoy the fancy new bridge Puck is going to sell you.
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 03:21:17 PM
Lets see how the Bills offense looks under Rex first
If Rex can turn the Bills into a top 20 offense for 3 of the next 4 seasons then he deserves all the apologies in the world.
If he cant (which I imagine he wont) , well that will be the story of his career
we had good enough offenses under rex early on then we kept losing talent and not acquiring talent. they will have enough talent to win at least short term like we did.
There were talent issues, yes.
But if you don't think Rex ignored the offense...then i hope you enjoy the fancy new bridge Puck is going to sell you.
he's a defensive coach that had very little offensive talent and felt his D had to win games. when we had talent on O our O was capable of bailing the D out, in recent years that wasn't the case.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2015, 03:25:19 PM
Post by: Tommy on September 14, 2015, 03:31:52 PM
I love everything about Bowles so far so I am not complaining but I still love Rex. Our issues were more about talent than coaching in recent years.
Shouldn't the Head Coach get some blame for lack of talent on the field. Aren't they supposed to ultimately decide who's the best fit for the team etc?
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 03:32:06 PM
Poor Rex, he really did care about offense, I am sorry I am crying because Rex, got the raw deal.
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 03:32:31 PM
Look, another Rex thread derailment
he's in our division, he's going to be talked about. I hope we win it all in the coming years and we can talk about how great Bowles is going forward.
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 03:33:06 PM
Shouldn't the Head Coach get some blame for lack of talent on the field. Aren't they supposed to ultimately decide who's the best fit for the team etc?
he wasn't the GM, having input and final say are 2 very different things.
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 03:33:47 PM
Woe is Rex he never had any input on the teams it was all Tannenbaum and Idzik's fault. It wasn't like Rex had anything to do with horrible decisions regarding the offense like Mason, Burress, letting Cotchery go, Sparano as an OC.
Poor Rex, he really did care about offense, I am sorry I am crying because Rex, got the raw deal.
he doesn't go blameless but he doesn't get all the blame either. even w/o talent he had us at 8-8 2 years ago.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 03:33:55 PM
Shouldn't the Head Coach get some blame for lack of talent on the field. Aren't they supposed to ultimately decide who's the best fit for the team etc?
Yes Yes and Yes.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2015, 03:34:44 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 03:35:24 PM
he doesn't go blameless
Well thank you for admitting that, I know how difficult that was.
It was time to for him to go. I wish him all the best except when they play the Jets.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 03:38:42 PM
Mentioning Rex in passing is one thing, having it drag off into its own discussion is another. See, now I'm doing it. Dammit!
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2015, 03:39:32 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 03:43:54 PM
I almost got into a Rex arguement with Junc but stopped myselfToo bad you don't show the same restraint in other threads.
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Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2015, 03:44:46 PM
Too bad you don't show the same restraint in other threads.I might say occasionally say massively retarded things, but it's in moderation
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Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 03:45:59 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 03:47:04 PM
you guys convinced me, it was clearly all rex's fault. he is a horrible coach but Todd Bowles is the greatest!*until 3 years from now he is gone and you are bashing him).Nobody mentioned Bowles....you did.
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Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 03:50:50 PM
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 03:54:53 PM
Oh rex how I love thee without faults. You brought us 3 super bowl titles and a complete team that was solid in every aspect of football, from offense to time management, to well disciplined detail oriented football. Oh how I miss thee.
this is why jet fans are the worst. the man got us closer to a SB than any since SB III and is the ONLY coach to give us 2 chances to reach SBs and he's treated like he was Rich Kotite.
whatever. rex sucks, Bowles is the greatest. SB bound!
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 03:56:13 PM
If Todd Bowles wore glasses and a hat:
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If rex wore purple
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what is your point?
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 03:56:49 PM
this is why jet fans are the worst. the man got us closer to a SB than any since SB III and is the ONLY coach to give us 2 chances to reach SBs and he's treated like he was Rich Kotite.
whatever. rex sucks, Bowles is the greatest. SB bound!
Omg Omg Omg Omg Rex got us to 2 AFC championships 4 years ago, lets pull his pants down and blow him.
This is why Jets fans suck, they embrace mediocrity. Oh Rex how I love thee.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 03:57:19 PM
If rex wore purple
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what is your point?
It's too bad you're too stupid to realize it.
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 04:00:02 PM
It's too bad you're too stupid to realize it.
you really should never talk about the stupidity of others w/ the garbage you post.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 04:00:48 PM
you really should never talk about the stupidity of others w/ the garbage you post.
Why would I give a freak about your opinion? You're nothing but a freaking moron.
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 04:13:43 PM
Why would I give a freak about your opinion? You're nothing but a freaking moron.
you care so little you put me in your sig.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2015, 04:18:02 PM
this is why jet fans are the worst. the man got us closer to a SB than any since SB III and is the ONLY coach to give us 2 chances to reach SBs and he's treated like he was Rich Kotite.
whatever. rex sucks, Bowles is the greatest. SB bound!
Rex was awesome at actually coaching talent, but was a horrific team builder and judge of talent.
If you give him a preassumbled team (ie him taking over the Jets or Bills) he will do fantastic. But once a few years passes he will run that team into the ground and turn it into a pile of excrement.
He did it with us, and hes going to do it with the Bills (see LeSean McCoy, Kiko Alonso, Percy Harvin etc)
The guy is going to get the Bills closer to the superbowl than most Bills fans have seen in a long derriere time. But that team will be so much worse in 4 years
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 14, 2015, 04:28:15 PM
Why would I give a freak about your opinion? You're nothing but a freaking moron.
Hahaha! You are incorrigible!
Please just say it like it is don't spare the guys feelings.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2015, 04:31:16 PM
Post by: ScotlandJet on September 14, 2015, 04:36:45 PM
Rex was awesome at actually coaching talent, but was a horrific team builder and judge of talent.
If you give him a preassumbled team (ie him taking over the Jets or Bills) he will do fantastic. But once a few years passes he will run that team into the ground and turn it into a pile of excrement.
He did it with us, and hes going to do it with the Bills (see LeSean McCoy, Kiko Alonso, Percy Harvin etc)
The guy is going to get the Bills closer to the superbowl than most Bills fans have seen in a long derriere time. But that team will be so much worse in 4 years
Time will tell if you are right and I hope you are.
I'd be happy if Bert & Ernie got the Jets a little closer to the Superbowl
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 04:37:16 PM
I think everyone should just try and be a little bit nicer to each other.Matt Stafford thanks you for this post.
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Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2015, 04:37:46 PM
Matt Stafford thanks you for this post.
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That fat spastic can go freak himself.
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 04:38:22 PM
Rex was awesome at actually coaching talent, but was a horrific team builder and judge of talent.
If you give him a preassumbled team (ie him taking over the Jets or Bills) he will do fantastic. But once a few years passes he will run that team into the ground and turn it into a pile of excrement.
He did it with us, and hes going to do it with the Bills (see LeSean McCoy, Kiko Alonso, Percy Harvin etc)
The guy is going to get the Bills closer to the superbowl than most Bills fans have seen in a long derriere time. But that team will be so much worse in 4 years
he shouldn't be in charge of personnel. I will never argue that point.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
he shouldn't be in charge of personnel. I will never argue that point.But as a headcoach you're responsible for all personell decisions. All personell decisions should be based on filling the head coaches needs
Sure the GM makes the contract, but it's the coach who says I want that guy.
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 04:50:27 PM
But as a headcoach you're responsible for all personell decisions. All personell decisions should be based on filling the head coaches needs
Sure the GM makes the contract, but it's the coach who says I want that guy.
he is not responsible for acquiring talent. he should be involved in the process but he should not have the power to make decisions.
Post by: Tommy on September 14, 2015, 04:56:54 PM
he is not responsible for acquiring talent. he should be involved in the process but he should not have the power to make decisions.
Of course he isn't responsible for acquiring the talent, but he sure as hell has a huge hand in it. Remember the Asomugha debacle? That was all him. He apparently was perfectly content with bringing in Plaxico rather than keep Braylon, a guy who Sanchez already had an established rapport with. Mason too. All of that could've been avoided. Tabby was the wheeler and dealer, it was Rex's job to let him know which players fit his system the best.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 04:58:14 PM
he is not responsible for acquiring talent. he should be involved in the process but he should not have the power to make decisions.Well....he's making those types of decisions in Buffalo, there's no reason to believe he didnt in NY.
pretty sure it wasn't doug Whaley's idea to bring in Wayne Hunter for a tryout.
Post by: Johnny English on September 14, 2015, 05:00:00 PM
Well....he's making those types of decisions in Buffalo, there's no reason to believe he didnt in NY.
pretty sure it wasn't doug Whaley's idea to bring in Wayne Hunter for a tryout.
Or John Conner. Or Matt Simms.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 05:03:25 PM
Or John Conner. Or Matt Simms.Remember when Rex cut Woodhead?
Rex knows offensive talent.
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Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 05:03:37 PM
Well....he's making those types of decisions in Buffalo, there's no reason to believe he didnt in NY.
pretty sure it wasn't doug Whaley's idea to bring in Wayne Hunter for a tryout.
did Hunter make the team? what is wrong w/ looking at available players you are familiar with? do we forget Wayne was a good backup OL?
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 05:04:21 PM
Remember when Rex cut Woodhead?
Rex knows offensive talent.
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oh so just like Mangni gets credit for every move that worked out Rex gets criticized for every move that didn't.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 05:05:04 PM
did Hunter make the team? what is wrong w/ looking at available players you are familiar with? do we forget Wayne was a good backup OL?Hunter is a POS.
The fact he brought him in alone was indicative enough of how stupid rex is.
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Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 05:06:39 PM
oh so just like Mangni gets credit for every move that worked out Rex gets criticized for every move that didn't.Nope..let's just hop on rex's dick for every good or bad decision made during his tenure....because he got us to the AFCCG twice.
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Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 05:07:00 PM
Hunter is a POS.
The fact he brought him in alone was indicative enough of how stupid rex is.
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that POS played a big role in helping us reach another title game when woody was hurt.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 05:07:19 PM
that POS played a big role in helping us reach another title game when woody was hurt.Better put him in Canton
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Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 05:07:55 PM
Nope..let's just hop on rex's dick for every good or bad decision made during his tenure....because he got us to the AFCCG twice.
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I appreciate what rex did, you are treating him like he was Kotite.
Post by: nyjunc on September 14, 2015, 05:08:40 PM
Better put him in Canton
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yep, that's what I am saying. get his gold jacket ready.
If rex was starting Wayne Hunter you might have a point but the guy didn't even make the team just like Matt Simms didn't make it.
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 05:08:44 PM
I appreciate what rex did, you are treating him like he was Kotite.No, im not.
Ive always said he was an elite defensive mind...but thats it.
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Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 05:10:21 PM
yep, that's what I am saying. get his gold jacket ready.Lol..ok junc
If rex was starting Wayne Hunter you might have a point but the guy didn't even make the team just like Matt Simms didn't make it.
*eye roll*
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Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 05:17:32 PM
Lol..ok junc
*eye roll*
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This is why I called him freaking moron. Every single conversation is turned into a morass of red herrings and disingenuous arguing. It's like he trying to acquit OJ of murder. Give the jackass enough time and he will probably say the toe tape was really his brother Rob.
If you want Rex gone after 6 years, you hate the toe sucking bastard. It's a shame Woody didn't give Rex and his 50-52 record a lifetime contract.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 05:18:52 PM
Hahaha! You are incorrigible!
Please just say it like it is don't spare the guys feelings.
Say what you want about me, I am not disingenuous, I call it like I see it.
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2015, 05:20:24 PM
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 05:22:37 PM
The strawman arguments are tiresome, and I'm not talking about junc. No one said Rex was blameless, but when people post daily updates shitting on him, they look like assholes and deserve to be called out on it. Doing that isn't defending Rex so much as it's discouraging shitposts.#shitpost
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Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 05:24:56 PM
The strawman arguments are tiresome, and I'm not talking about junc. No one said Rex was blameless, but when people post daily updates shitting on him, they look like assholes and deserve to be called out on it.
That's a load of excrement. You can only compare what we saw yesterday to what we have been witnessing the last 6 years. It was 1 freaking game, just 1, but the team was disciplined and they adjusted to what the other team was doing. Whether it is perception or reality, it was something the Jets have been lacking for a bit. Who you want to blame or or praise for it is totally up to you. But don't whine about straw men when the king of straw men is arguing for Rex.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 14, 2015, 05:40:32 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 05:45:49 PM
It's the same excrement we've seen for more than a year: Rex is either a saint who should have been kept here or he's a excrement coach whose contributions to the franchise should be forgotten. You people are exhausting. He had two of the best seasons in franchise history, then the entire operation imploded. I'll always have a ton of gratitude to Rex. I agree it was probably time for him to go, but I'm not going to pretend it was all sunshine and rainbows to see him walk out the door. The MBGreen posse has done a great job of acting like buffoons and shitting hyperbole for months now.
Is it wrong to like Rex and think he's a great defensive mind but think it's time to go. All the while have fun yanking the Rex lovers chain?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 14, 2015, 05:47:18 PM
Is it wrong to like Rex and think he's a great defensive mind but think it's time to go. All the while have fun yanking the Rex lovers chain?
It is if you look like an derriere while doing it.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 05:48:01 PM
It is if you look like an derriere while doing it.
Seriously though who gives a excrement.
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2015, 05:48:25 PM
You can only compare what we saw yesterday to what we have been witnessing the last 6 years.
lol
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2015, 05:50:02 PM
It is if you look like an derriere while doing it.
It would be funnier in a tgg environment where people can actually be trolled, but when you're posting things you don't actually believe to people who know you don't actually think that way... What's the point?
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 05:50:15 PM
lol
Next time I am ordering you a salad, no appetizers for you.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 05:51:00 PM
It would be funnier in a tgg environment where people can actually be trolled, but when you're posting things you don't actually believe to people who know you don't actually think that way... What's the point?
Sometimes the trolling works.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2015, 06:33:08 PM
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 14, 2015, 06:38:57 PM
Rex the talent evaluator at it again
Dcmbgreen
Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2015, 06:41:41 PM
DcmbgreenI give Rex credit where it's due
The guy is a stellar head coach, one of the best in the league.
He's just horrendous when it comes to making decisions about talent
Fortunately for us he already fucked up tremendously with the Alonso McCoy trade. Compounded by the McCoy extension
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 06:42:37 PM
DcmbgreenIgnatius Junc Reilly
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Post by: Tommy on September 14, 2015, 06:49:14 PM
I give Rex credit where it's due
The guy is a stellar head coach, one of the best in the league.
He's just horrendous when it comes to making decisions about talent
Fortunately for us he already fucked up tremendously with the Alonso McCoy trade. Compounded by the McCoy extension
He's a stalker head coach who makes terrible talent decisions? I don't think that works.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2015, 06:50:23 PM
He's a stalker head coach who makes terrible talent decisions? I don't think that works.He's not a stalker, but I haven't shown him my feet yet either
When I say stellar head coach I meant at actually coaching the guys on the field.
It's the personnel decisions that he's literally one of the worst at
Post by: Tommy on September 14, 2015, 06:51:42 PM
He's not a stalker.
When I say stellar head coach I meant at actually coaching the guys on the field.
It's the personnel decisions that he's literally one of the worst at
But earlier when arguing with junc you stressed that being a talent evaluator is a crucial part of being a head coach. Junc maintains that he should just be evaluated by how he coaches. Do you agree with junc now?
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2015, 06:54:44 PM
Sometimes the trolling works.
Well, yeah. junc doesn't realize that you actually hold a nuanced and fair opinion on Rex.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2015, 07:02:20 PM
But earlier when arguing with junc you stressed that being a talent evaluator is a crucial part of being a head coach. Junc maintains that he should just be evaluated by how he coaches. Do you agree with junc now?No I'm saying Rex is only good at the actual on the field coaching part.
Getting the players he has to play to their maximum potential
Unfortunately he is horrible at the other substantial part of his job which is developing a talented roster long term.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2015, 07:04:26 PM
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Todd Bowles
Post by: Tommy on September 14, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
No I'm saying Rex is only good at the actual on the field coaching part.
Getting the players he has to play to their maximum potential
Unfortunately he is horrible at the other substantial part of his job which is developing a talented roster long term.
But being a "steller" head coach, or "one of the best in the the league" as you put it, surely you'd have to be great at both aspects of coaching, not just one. Stellar game manager? Stellar defensive coach? Stellar all around head coach?
Post by: Miamipuck on September 14, 2015, 07:07:22 PM
Well, yeah. junc doesn't realize that you actually hold a nuanced and fair opinion on Rex.
Well thanks he does now.
Post by: Badger on September 14, 2015, 07:09:10 PM
Well thanks he does now.
He won't read any of these posts until I remind him how awful his prediction for the Kerry Collins Colts was.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 14, 2015, 07:11:56 PM
But being a "steller" head coach, or "one of the best in the the league" as you put it, surely you'd have to be great at both aspects of coaching, not just one. Stellar game manager? Stellar defensive coach? Stellar all around head coach?I don't know what else to say
I said what I said, and that's what I'm gonna say
He's good at one thing, bad at another
Post by: Pope on September 14, 2015, 07:12:49 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2015, 07:17:21 PM
Post by: Pope on September 14, 2015, 07:23:06 PM
Rex Ryan
Fixed
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2015, 07:23:34 PM
Rexed
Post by: MBGreen on September 14, 2015, 07:24:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 14, 2015, 07:25:11 PM
I'm going to punch every one on of you fucks at the Rex tailgate if you don't shut up about Rex
Post by: bojanglesman on September 14, 2015, 07:26:59 PM
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 07:30:03 AM
This is why I called him freaking moron. Every single conversation is turned into a morass of red herrings and disingenuous arguing. It's like he trying to acquit OJ of murder. Give the jackass enough time and he will probably say the toe tape was really his brother Rob.you called me a morn b/c you were looking into a mirror and became confused.
If you want Rex gone after 6 years, you hate the toe sucking bastard. It's a shame Woody didn't give Rex and his 50-52 record a lifetime contract.
I cannot help it that you cannot read, I didn't say rex should be coach for life but nitwits like you act like he sucks and never did a thing for us and nitwits like you will be bashing Bowles as soon as he is gone. it's what the average fan does.
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 07:34:54 AM
The strawman arguments are tiresome, and I'm not talking about junc. No one said Rex was blameless, but when people post daily updates shitting on him, they look like assholes and deserve to be called out on it. Doing that isn't defending Rex so much as it's discouraging shitposts.
Thank you.
That's a load of excrement. You can only compare what we saw yesterday to what we have been witnessing the last 6 years. It was 1 freaking game, just 1, but the team was disciplined and they adjusted to what the other team was doing. Whether it is perception or reality, it was something the Jets have been lacking for a bit. Who you want to blame or or praise for it is totally up to you. But don't whine about straw men when the king of straw men is arguing for Rex.
who looked better Sunday- the Jets or the Bills?
to compare the talent we had last year under rex to what Bowles has now just isn't fair.
Well thanks he does now.
Here is something many people may not know. I have FUN w/ this stuff., even going back and forth with you. I don't take any of this stuff personal. I don't know you, you don't know me. if the worst thing someone can say about me is that I don't know football I can live with that. I like to argue.
He won't read any of these posts until I remind him how awful his prediction for the Kerry Collins Colts was.
To be fair, how was I supposed to know the Colts would tank for Luck? either way they were a playoff team again a year later. the point of all those Manning arguments was that he always had elite talent around him. Great QB no doubt but just nowhere near Brady.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 07:35:14 AM
you called me a morn b/c you were looking into a mirror and became confused.Hey Guyz luk itz Pee-Wee Hurman and his hurr durr "I no u r butt wat M eye"
Post by: Heismanberg on September 15, 2015, 07:37:56 AM
you called me a morn b/c you were looking into a mirror and became confused
What a freaking morn
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 07:43:55 AM
who looked better Sunday- the Jets or the Bills?
to compare the talent we had last year under rex to what Bowles has now just isn't fair.
Who cares it was 1 game, and I prefaced it with, perception/reality. I am not getting into that about Rex Ryan, it was time for him to go. Rex had ample opportunity to mold the team as he saw fit. He's not a very good talent evaluator and frankly some of the dead wood coaches he kept around made nepotism a very defineable term. The dearth of talent is just as much his fault as anyone.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2015, 07:58:03 AM
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 08:16:13 AM
Who cares it was 1 game, and I prefaced it with, perception/reality. I am not getting into that about Rex Ryan, it was time for him to go. Rex had ample opportunity to mold the team as he saw fit. He's not a very good talent evaluator and frankly some of the dead wood coaches he kept around made nepotism a very defineable term. The dearth of talent is just as much his fault as anyone.he's a head coach NOT a GM, he was not responsible for acquiring talent.
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 08:17:51 AM
I think the verdict on Rex, like any coach, is what the Bills look like in 3 years. Honestly, the biggest concern I'd have with the Bills is their salary cap situation going forward. They paid a lot of guys a lot of money this offseason. Something has to give. They will have a dominant d-line for years to come, but at what cost? Some other position will suffer. The only way to avoid the pain is drafting really well.
The Bills haven't been to the playoffs in 16 years, Rex was hired to bring the excitement back to Buffalo and win. so far he's doing a great job, long way to go but much like when he infused our franchise w/ energy and wins he is doing the same in Orchard park.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 08:19:49 AM
he's a head coach NOT a GM, he was not responsible for acquiring talent.
This is completely and unutterably wrong. He was part and parcel to important roster evaluation.
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 08:35:19 AM
This is completely and unutterably wrong. He was part and parcel to important roster evaluation.
he was involved in the process, he did not have final say. why is it Jet fans give all the credit for good picks to mangini and bad ones to rex?
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2015, 08:44:13 AM
You think Duff decided on a whim to trade for Marshall?? It's Bowles that has history with him.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 08:48:29 AM
he was involved in the process, he did not have final say. why is it Jet fans give all the credit for good picks to mangini and bad ones to rex?
He had final say on many different roster decisions. I can point to a few horrible roster decisions that led to where we were in the last few years and frankly caused me to come to the realization it was time for new blood. I was in Rex's camp a good 5 1/4 years, it's not like I mad a rash decision he sucks. It was just time for him to go. I think his drawbacks were too much to overcome and his firing was needed to get a top tier GM candidate to take the job.
I am not even going to ding him for the poor drafts under his watch. As much as everyone wants to give kudo's to Mangini for 06-07, I don't hold that against Rex.
Post by: MBGreen on September 15, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on September 15, 2015, 08:51:56 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 08:52:35 AM
Let's just all stop this silly excrement and go get a goddamn snack!
Pretzel M&M's.
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 08:57:12 AM
Rex absolutely was directly involved with the talent being brought in. He may have not had final say, but i'm pretty sure his influence was taken seriously.
You think Duff decided on a whim to trade for Marshall?? It's Bowles that has history with him.
of course he had input but ultimately it is up to the GM. that is why Idzik isn't here. Rex was the HC not the GM and should be evaluated on how he coached. if, behind the scenes, he wielded too much power over personnel I would blame woody for that. Rex is not a personnel guy.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 08:59:32 AM
of course he had input but ultimately it is up to the GM. that is why Idzik isn't here. Rex was the HC not the GM and should be evaluated on how he coached. if, behind the scenes, he wielded too much power over personnel I would blame woody for that. Rex is not a personnel guy.
Talent/roster evaluation is a huge part of coaching. He made some very bad roster decisions during his tenure.
Post by: NDMick on September 15, 2015, 09:08:22 AM
Talent/roster evaluation is a huge part of coaching. He made some very bad roster decisions during his tenure.
Me first player of the pink oboe WRs over Cotchery
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 09:10:07 AM
Me first player of the pink oboe WRs over Cotchery
Absolutely, that's 100% correct and all on Rex.
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 09:10:19 AM
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 09:10:53 AM
Talent/roster evaluation is a huge part of coaching. He made some very bad roster decisions during his tenure.
of course but not talent acquisition and the last 2 years rex was sabotaged by the GM or geno would not have been playing 2 years ago.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 09:14:08 AM
Red did NOT want to get rid of Cotchery, there was much more to that story.
Of course not but he was given his release because of a couple of bad decisions by Rex.
of course but not talent acquisition and the last 2 years rex was sabotaged by the GM or geno would not have been playing 2 years ago.
Please if you're going to discuss this intelligently, please drop the semantics. Again, I am not dinging Rex for the bad drafts and or the good ones prior to his arrival, I haven't even brought that up.
Post by: Coach K on September 15, 2015, 09:23:48 AM
Rex was a good but obviously flawed coach for us. He gave me two of the best yeaars as a Jets fan since the late 90s
He will most likely go on to be a very good coach and I refuse to believe he's ignorant enough to have not learned anything from his mistakes.
I'm happier with this regime though. Rex and Bowles are almost are comparative Xs and Os wise. And Bowles experience under Parcells and a couple years doing Personnel work leads me to believe the learning curve for him as a rookie HC will be much less to deal with.
Add in the fact we seemingly have a competent GM. I'm happy.
Wish him the best, but freak him when we play him.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 09:24:47 AM
We're still having this debate .
I am bored.
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 09:32:31 AM
Of course not but he was given his release because of a couple of bad decisions by Rex.
Please if you're going to discuss this intelligently, please drop the semantics. Again, I am not dinging Rex for the bad drafts and or the good ones prior to his arrival, I haven't even brought that up.
he was given his release b/c he asked for his release. he was upset we kept bringing in WRs. I love Cotch but a team is better if he is a 3rd WR rather than a starting WR. I HATED losing him more than any other player in recent years but he wanted out.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 09:41:13 AM
he was given his release b/c he asked for his release. he was upset we kept bringing in WRs. I love Cotch but a team is better if he is a 3rd WR rather than a starting WR. I HATED losing him more than any other player in recent years but he wanted out.
I am curious why you argue against yourself? I know full well the details of Cotchery's release, that's not the point of contention, not now not ever.
Who made those bad decisions to bring in Mason, Burress? Who thought they could coach any player and have them blend in seamlessly?
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 09:50:33 AM
I am curious why you argue against yourself? I know full well the details of Cotchery's release, that's not the point of contention, not now not ever.it wasn't about Mason, we got Mason after we let Cotch go and they were preparing for life w/o Cotch when they went after mason.
Who made those bad decisions to bring in Mason, Burress? Who thought they could coach any player and have them blend in seamlessly?
You can argue Burress but they anted a big WR knowing they were losing Braylon. They didn't want Cotch to be a #2 and neither has Pitt or Carolina.
Post by: Miamipuck on September 15, 2015, 09:54:01 AM
it wasn't about Mason, we got Mason after we let Cotch go and they were preparing for life w/o Cotch when they went after mason.
You can argue Burress but they anted a big WR knowing they were losing Braylon. They didn't want Cotch to be a #2 and neither has Pitt or Carolina.
Have fun I am out.
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"He feels disrespected by the moves from the past two years, with the trades and being relegated to the third receiver," a player close to Cotchery said. "He wants a fresh start. I don't blame him one bit."
Ryan said he had no plans to release Cotchery, adding that the possible addition of free agent Derrick Mason (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/1263/derrick-mason) had no bearing on the decision. Mason met with team officials Thursday at the facility. The Jets, along with two other teams, are pursuing the veteran wideout, a source said.
Post by: nyjunc on September 15, 2015, 10:07:56 AM
Have fun I am out.
so he was upset w/ being relegated to a 3rd receiver which I don't think he has been since he left as he has been 4 and below.
he was in a perfect role for us and rex never wanted to release him.
Post by: Italian Seafood on September 15, 2015, 01:07:45 PM
Shouldn't the Head Coach get some blame for lack of talent on the field. Aren't they supposed to ultimately decide who's the best fit for the team etc?
So why doesn't he get credit for when we had a good offense? Like the #1 running game in 2009 or 2010 when the offense pulled out a bunch of games and beat the Patriots in Foxboro in the playoffs? Fair enough if you want to criticize but people act like that never happened.
Post by: bojanglesman on September 15, 2015, 04:24:36 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 15, 2015, 05:37:31 PM
I'll have to say, I'm going to enjoy Brady getting his excrement packed by the Bills d-line. They were awesome last week, and now they get Dareus back. Good luck with that Tom. Get ready for 900 quick dump off passes.
get ready for Rex to jam Edelman with Dareus
Post by: MBGreen on November 10, 2015, 03:16:13 PM
Calvin Pryor on Rex Ryan: "I think he's an outstanding coach, defensive-wise. And that's all I have to say." #jets
#truth
Post by: nyjunc on November 10, 2015, 03:27:32 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on November 10, 2015, 03:36:20 PM
Post by: Badger on November 10, 2015, 03:40:13 PM
I'd prefer if Pryor didn't say anything, even if it's true.
That would certainly fit the "this team takes after its head coach" narrative.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2015, 09:38:06 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on November 11, 2015, 09:55:21 AM
The back and forth between Pryor and Rex yesterday (Pryor was tweeting commentary while Rex was at his presser, and Rex was responding when told) was funny. Pryor shouldn't really be talking in yet another week he won't be on the field to back it up though.
Yeah it's Pryor that shouldn't be talking excrement.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2015, 10:22:27 AM
Yeah it's Pryor that shouldn't be talking excrement.
I didn't mean it like that. F Rex. He should definitely STFU and I am not a big fan of his stunt making IK the captain either--there's no question that's a dick move even for him.
I just don't like that Pryor is talking excrement when he's going to be wearing sweatpants tomorrow night.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2015, 11:10:06 AM
I just don't like that Pryor is talking excrement when he's going to be wearing sweatpants tomorrow night.
The press was digging for someone, so they finally found one, even if he isn't playing.
Rex is just being himself, that's to be expected. I still like him for that but this week he's the opponent, it's a different perspective of it but nothing new.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 11, 2015, 11:15:33 AM
I didn't mean it like that. F Rex. He should definitely STFU and I am not a big fan of his stunt making IK the captain either--there's no question that's a dick move even for him.
I just don't like that Pryor is talking excrement when he's going to be wearing sweatpants tomorrow night.
I think both should shut the freak up. Pryor should never have said anything. I have to say I don't miss the bluster and being on the other side it's kind of annoying.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2015, 11:30:53 AM
I think both should shut the freak up. Pryor should never have said anything. I have to say I don't miss the bluster and being on the other side it's kind of annoying.
Those of you that didn't like Rex when he was here certainly aren't going to like him now. That said, people saying he should shut up are wasting their time, it isn't going to happen. In the end the proof will be on the field, one way or the other.
Post by: Johnny English on November 11, 2015, 11:34:24 AM
Those of you that didn't like Rex when he was here certainly aren't going to like him now. That said, people saying he should shut up are wasting their time, it isn't going to happen. In the end the proof will be on the field, one way or the other.
I loved Rex when he was here, although the schtick got a little less amusing when the team was clearly falling apart. Now I'm seeing him from the other side of the fence, it's not quite as entertaining. I can see how beating a Rex Ryan team would have a slightly elevated level of satisfaction.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 11, 2015, 11:36:16 AM
Those of you that didn't like Rex when he was here certainly aren't going to like him now. That said, people saying he should shut up are wasting their time, it isn't going to happen. In the end the proof will be on the field, one way or the other.
I didn't like Rex the last year. I had plenty of patience with him and gave him lots of leeway. It was time for him to go. His negatives were outweighing the positives to say the least. That said there are only a few coaches in the NFL that could talk excrement and oddly enough they don't, Rex isn't one of those.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2015, 11:47:59 AM
The press was digging for someone, so they finally found one, even if he isn't playing.
Rex is just being himself, that's to be expected. I still like him for that but this week he's the opponent, it's a different perspective of it but nothing new.
In fairness, this wasn't the press digging at all. It started because Pryor tweeted during Rex's press conference, someone saw it and mentioned it to Rex, who everyone knows can't keep his mouth shut.
I think both should shut the freak up. Pryor should never have said anything. I have to say I don't miss the bluster and being on the other side it's kind of annoying.
Yeah, the more I see Rex from the outside, the happier I am that we all moved on.
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2015, 12:55:22 PM
In fairness, this wasn't the press digging at all. It started because Pryor tweeted during Rex's press conference, someone saw it and mentioned it to Rex, who everyone knows can't keep his mouth shut.
Yeah, the more I see Rex from the outside, the happier I am that we all moved on.
The press spent a day and a half asking everyone to react about the IK thing and finally Pryor tweeted something and now that's their story because that's the one they wanted and went after.
Regarding Rex, you're making my point. Of course it's different from the other side, that's the point of sports. Rex has his pros and cons, when he's against you you don't like him as much, you shouldn't.
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 11, 2015, 02:46:21 PM
The press spent a day and a half asking everyone to react about the IK thing and finally Pryor tweeted something and now that's their story because that's the one they wanted and went after.
Regarding Rex, you're making my point. Of course it's different from the other side, that's the point of sports. Rex has his pros and cons, when he's against you you don't like him as much, you shouldn't.
The IK thing was stupid since everyone who has ever paid any attention to Rex knew he would do that. Pryor should keep his mouth shut, but he genuinely thinks Rex was a bad coach. Judging by his development from last year to this, I don't blame him for thinking that.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 11, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 11, 2015, 02:59:29 PM
The IK thing was stupid since everyone who has ever paid any attention to Rex knew he would do that. Pryor should keep his mouth shut, but he genuinely thinks Rex was a bad coach. Judging by his development from last year to this, I don't blame him for thinking that.
He's entitled to his opinion, and I don't care that he was tweeting about Rex, either. My point is the media wants this to be a back page story so they will use any angle to put it there. In reality it should be a footnote to the game, especially when the Jets for the most part have ignored it.
Pryor is 100% right in what he said, and had he been playing this week I would have zero problem with him saying it. But talking excrement for a game you know damn well you're going to be in street clothes for is a dick move.
It would carry more weight if he were playing in the game, but I don't get worked up over what people say, ours or theirs.
Post by: ukilledkenny on November 11, 2015, 04:14:04 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on November 11, 2015, 08:57:12 PM
He's entitled to his opinion, and I don't care that he was tweeting about Rex, either. My point is the media wants this to be a back page story so they will use any angle to put it there. In reality it should be a footnote to the game, especially when the Jets for the most part have ignored it.Exactly. This is all harmless. I mostly say he should keep his mouth shut because that's what his coach probably wants. But I don't care.
It would carry more weight if he were playing in the game, but I don't get worked up over what people say, ours or theirs.
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2015, 12:37:00 PM
So many posts that are going to get dragged out.
I will enjoy beating him twice a year for the next two or three seasons...then he can finally go to TV where he belongs.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 30, 2015, 11:13:14 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on November 30, 2015, 11:26:08 AM
WFAN is saying Rex lost to the Chiefs because he failed to throw a challenge flag very late in the game
It could have kept a drive going at their own 30, even a successful challenge would have left them with some work to do. They had another play, which they did challenge and lost, that was 4th down. It looked like an assistant on the sideline telling him not to challenge the first one but I'm not sure, I switched off that game and to the Raiders.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 30, 2015, 11:35:56 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on November 30, 2015, 09:18:44 PM
Although Id be shocked if Rex doesnt get at least 4 years in Buffalo
Theyre probably the most exciting theyve been since like Bruce Smith played
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 01, 2015, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: ESPN Power Rankings
What happened to the pass rush? Last season, the Bills averaged 3.4 sacks per game. They haven't recorded a single three-sack game this season.
#HireRex
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2015, 01:22:10 PM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 01, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
Sacks are BS, the game against the Pats for instance, the Bills hammered Brady, that's not counted in the stats per se, but they made Brady think twice.
I just thought it was amusing. Because F Rex.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 01, 2015, 02:02:14 PM
I just thought it was amusing. Because F Rex.
LOL ok then.....
Post by: mj2sexay on December 01, 2015, 08:12:37 PM
Post by: Ornstein on December 01, 2015, 08:57:01 PM
Just finished Collision Low Crossers. Rex is a fuckin rube.
Was it worth the read?
Post by: mj2sexay on December 02, 2015, 08:11:57 PM
Was it worth the read?
Absolutely. Very very interesting behind the scenes look at what goes on. Seriously, I came out of it with more disdain for rex. Jeff Weeks very presence in this franchise was a freaking joke. Of course now he's in buffalo.
Post by: MBGreen on December 20, 2015, 08:42:54 AM
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NFL Media @NFLMedia 1h1 hour ago
"There are plenty of people on this defense who miss Jim Schwartz and wish that he was still their coordinator." @RapSheet on Buffalo
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NFL Media @NFLMedia 1h1 hour ago
"There is a clear fundamental disconnect between Ryan and his defensive line, specifically star pass rusher Mario Williams." @RapSheet
#lolRex
Post by: NDMick on December 20, 2015, 09:16:32 AM
#lolRex
hmmmm. College coach or college coordinator?
Post by: Coach K on December 20, 2015, 09:21:59 AM
hmmmm. College coach or college coordinator?
He'd dominate the NCAA. Top 5 recruiter day 1.
I spoke to someone who played under him at Cincinnati. He said the players worshipped him and would kill for him. Wouldn't have a problem with people buying in, that's for sure
Post by: Miamipuck on December 20, 2015, 09:48:44 AM
His team would be the modern version of Delta Tau Chi. I would go there in a minute, not sure I would live thru it.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 20, 2015, 07:52:09 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 20, 2015, 07:54:17 PM
#KeepRex
Post by: MBGreen on December 20, 2015, 07:59:31 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 20, 2015, 08:02:20 PM
Rex is a fraud. I hope he's 1 and done up there.I hope he stays. He's entertaining and it isn't our team.
Post by: MBGreen on December 20, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
I hope he stays. He's entertaining and it isn't our team.
nah...freak him.
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2015, 08:13:02 PM
I hope he stays. He's entertaining and it isn't our team.
Obviously MB is rooting for the Bills to get better.
Post by: MBGreen on December 20, 2015, 08:14:26 PM
Obviously MB is rooting for the Bills to get better.
Nah, they'll hire Schotty next.
Post by: insanity on December 20, 2015, 08:53:23 PM
Nah, they'll hire Schotty next.
Is he still coaching?
Also does anyone know how much position coaches make?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 20, 2015, 08:56:26 PM
Is he still coaching?
He was the offensive coordinator at Georgia. Now he's unemployed.
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Also does anyone know how much position coaches make?
Depends on who they are. A lot of them make about $400,000 per season.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 20, 2015, 09:31:51 PM
I hope he stays. He's entertaining and it isn't our team.
I'm with this just so I can see people tell you "Stop Defending Rex"
Post by: Miamipuck on December 20, 2015, 10:20:08 PM
I'm with this just so I can see people tell you "Stop Defending Rex"
That's Badger dipshit.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 21, 2015, 10:16:03 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2015, 12:40:24 PM
Post by: nyjunc on December 22, 2015, 12:49:26 PM
Mario Williams- one of the most overrated players to play the game. an excellent stat padder who has never played in a postseason game is whining and not giving effort for a coach who has actually won playoff games in this league. you can't make this stuff up.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 22, 2015, 01:09:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/22955/eric-wood-to-bills-defense-rex-ryans-scheme-worked-with-jets
Mario Williams- one of the most overrated players to play the game.
Mario Williams is a little overrated, but this is hyperbole. He is nowhere near one of the most overrated players ever. He is currently miscast as an OLB.
Post by: nyjunc on December 22, 2015, 01:44:31 PM
Mario Williams is a little overrated, but this is hyperbole. He is nowhere near one of the most overrated players ever. He is currently miscast as an OLB.
been overrated for years, good player but people foolishly think he is a great player. It's hard to win w/ selfish players like Mario and it's a major reason why he has never won anywhere.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2015, 01:53:54 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 22, 2015, 01:57:52 PM
Mario Williams is not overrated. He's playing out of position in Buffalo right now.
At least he's not jamming WR's.
Post by: nyjunc on December 22, 2015, 02:21:13 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2015, 02:30:48 PM
Mario has been overrated for years, he's one of those "good" players on bad teams, who gets garbage time sacks that make people take notice on a stat sheet.
I couldn't care less about his sacks. He is borderline dominant run defender when he's allowed to play with his hand in the ground.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 22, 2015, 02:33:09 PM
I would like Rex to be in the league somewhere because he's entertaining, but not there.
Buffalo has been a disaster all year and players have openly criticized the coaches all year. Probably mad that Marrone quit on them, and the new guy they brought in doesn't necessarily have the respect of the locker room because the players had beaten the Jets every year with Rex as the coach.
Remember this though?
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-rex-ryan-chance-winning-afc-east-pumped-article-1.2218552?utm_content=buffera90a6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=mmehta+twitter
Post by: nyjunc on December 22, 2015, 02:35:33 PM
I couldn't care less about his sacks. He is borderline dominant run defender when he's allowed to play with his hand in the ground.
he's a pass rusher, he's paid as a premier pass rusher which he is not.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 22, 2015, 02:35:53 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2015, 02:52:56 PM
he's a pass rusher, he's paid as a premier pass rusher which he is not.
He's a defensive lineman. There's more to that position than rushing the passer. He is not a standup pass rusher.
It's not all his fault that his teams are always garbage. He is a factor in that, but knocking him for getting 14.5 "garbage time" sacks on a losing team is dumb as hell.
Post by: Coach K on December 22, 2015, 03:20:25 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 22, 2015, 03:21:38 PM
Post by: nyjunc on December 22, 2015, 03:38:59 PM
He's a defensive lineman. There's more to that position than rushing the passer. He is not a standup pass rusher.
It's not all his fault that his teams are always garbage. He is a factor in that, but knocking him for getting 14.5 "garbage time" sacks on a losing team is dumb as hell.
his primary role is to rush the passer, it's nice he is good against the run but that's not why he was overpaid.
his teams aren't always garbage, he has rarely played on teams not talented enough to make the playoffs yet he doesn't have a single app. the closest he came to making the playoffs was 2011 when he got hurt and the team took off after his injury. he's a me player who is an overrated pass rusher.
Post by: nyjunc on December 22, 2015, 03:40:30 PM
Lol @downplaying Mario Williams
"LoL" at thinking Mario Williams is great
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2015, 04:29:59 PM
He's a pretty big diva, that's for sure.
He's a gigantic bundle of sticks. That doesn't mean he isn't a great player though.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2015, 04:31:12 PM
his primary role is to rush the passer
His primary role is playing defensive end. He has all kinds of responsibilities at that spot. His ability to disrupt the pass is why he landed his huge contract, but he's a very dominant all-around defender too.
Post by: Pope on December 22, 2015, 04:39:34 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 22, 2015, 04:40:53 PM
He's a gigantic bundle of sticks. That doesn't mean he isn't a great player though.
Take my comment at face value.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 22, 2015, 05:45:32 PM
his primary role is to rush the passer, it's nice he is good against the run but that's not why he was overpaid.So he's the only reason why none of those teams went to the playoffs? There were no other players on those teams?
his teams aren't always garbage, he has rarely played on teams not talented enough to make the playoffs yet he doesn't have a single app. the closest he came to making the playoffs was 2011 when he got hurt and the team took off after his injury. he's a me player who is an overrated pass rusher.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 22, 2015, 10:47:27 PM
"LoL" at thinking Mario Williams is great
https://vine.co/v/htO25Ugmj9D
Post by: Cane on December 23, 2015, 06:10:09 AM
"Graham is sympathetic to the coaches who have to get the play calls in and realizes some of that falls on players as well.
'It's tough,' Graham admitted. 'Obviously it's tough on the coaching staff because they've got to know personnel, they have to know who's going to be out there, who's not. We've got substitutions, guys coming out there in different packages and things like that. It's a tough job for everyone.'"
I agree, Corey. It is tough to worry about subs, play calling, and all that tricky coaching stuff. It's almost as if certain people should be paid exorbitant amounts of money to be good at it.
#KeepRex
Post by: JFIF on December 23, 2015, 06:22:38 AM
his primary role is to rush the passer, it's nice he is good against the run but that's not why he was overpaid.
his teams aren't always garbage, he has rarely played on teams not talented enough to make the playoffs yet he doesn't have a single app. the closest he came to making the playoffs was 2011 when he got hurt and the team took off after his injury. he's a me player who is an overrated pass rusher.
This isn't basketball.
You don't evaluate a non quarterback based on wins and losses in football. Too random of a sport,too small of a sample size and too many people playing at any given time.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 07:24:01 AM
His primary role is playing defensive end. He has all kinds of responsibilities at that spot. His ability to disrupt the pass is why he landed his huge contract, but he's a very dominant all-around defender too.
he got overpaid b/c of his abilities as a pass rusher not b/c of his ability against the run. he's a good all around DE, he's not dominant. I understand why Buf signed him, they were desperate but he is not dominant/great and never has been.
This isn't basketball.
You don't evaluate a non quarterback based on wins and losses in football. Too random of a sport,too small of a sample size and too many people playing at any given time.
he's not a winning player, he's a me player. he wants to rack up the meaningless sacks. even when they were winning and playing well earlier in the season he was whining b/c he wasn't getting sacks. I don't evaluate him on wins and losses but it's interest8ing how Houston finally took off when he got hurt in 2011 and how Buf, despite talent, has never contended w/ him.
I just can't stand players who blame others for their struggles.
Post by: JFIF on December 23, 2015, 07:57:00 AM
he's not a winning player, he's a me player. he wants to rack up the meaningless sacks. even when they were winning and playing well earlier in the season he was whining b/c he wasn't getting sacks. I don't evaluate him on wins and losses but it's interest8ing how Houston finally took off when he got hurt in 2011 and how Buf, despite talent, has never contended w/ him.
I just can't stand players who blame others for their struggles.
You're just repeating yourself without adding anything substantive. What does that even mean ?
Whether you like him not or him as a person doesn't mean he isn't a good player. Care to show some plays/video that shows him actually being selfish within a scheme that negatively impacts the team ? Where he's not following an assignment in order to make himself look better ?
Because if not, you're just attributing largely intangible things that have little real impact on the very complex and extremely random winning and losing in football.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 08:21:12 AM
You're just repeating yourself without adding anything substantive. What does that even mean ?
Whether you like him not or him as a person doesn't mean he isn't a good player. Care to show some plays/video that shows him actually being selfish within a scheme that negatively impacts the team ? Where he's not following an assignment in order to make himself look better ?
Because if not, you're just attributing largely intangible things that have little real impact on the very complex and extremely random winning and losing in football.
what does it mean? the team was WINNING and he as whining about the defense b/c all he cares about is meaningless individual #s. did he complain last year? 2 years ago? no, the team wasn't winning but he got his sacks.
I don't have video, don't need video. the man complaining when buffalo was winning is all the evidence I need. Houston getting better when he got hurt is more evidence. the man has NEVER been to postseason, his team was playing well and he's whining. That's not a winning player. I would have put Brandon Marshall in this category, the man has never been to postseason but was he complaining at any point during this successful season? yesterday he said he didn't care about the pro bowl, just wanted to get to postseason. Mario could change, he could mature like Brandon has but to this point he hasn't and w/ a guy like that as a leader is it surprising his teams have never made postseason?
Post by: JFIF on December 23, 2015, 08:57:31 AM
what does it mean? the team was WINNING and he as whining about the defense b/c all he cares about is meaningless individual #s. did he complain last year? 2 years ago? no, the team wasn't winning but he got his sacks.
I don't have video, don't need video. the man complaining when buffalo was winning is all the evidence I need. Houston getting better when he got hurt is more evidence. the man has NEVER been to postseason, his team was playing well and he's whining. That's not a winning player. I would have put Brandon Marshall in this category, the man has never been to postseason but was he complaining at any point during this successful season? yesterday he said he didn't care about the pro bowl, just wanted to get to postseason. Mario could change, he could mature like Brandon has but to this point he hasn't and w/ a guy like that as a leader is it surprising his teams have never made postseason?
This is where the conversation ends. For me at least.
Feel free to talk gibberish and in circles for a few more posts.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 09:02:46 AM
This is where the conversation ends. For me at least.
Feel free to talk gibberish and in circles for a few more posts.
you have the tape on him playing yard and making big plays at big moments in big games? let's see it. I guess you like players that only care about their stats, I don't. I like guys that want to win not guys that make excuses for poor #s.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 23, 2015, 09:32:23 AM
I don't have an issue with you thinking he's overrated. But it's ridiculous to say he's one of the most overrated players to play the game.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 09:44:42 AM
What does him complaining all the time have to do with whether or not he's vastly overrated? The league is littered with great players who are divas and complainers.
I don't have an issue with you thinking he's overrated. But it's ridiculous to say he's one of the most overrated players to play the game.
he's a guy who makes plays in meaningless spots. he's a good pass rusher, he is paid like an elite one and fans think he is an elite pass rusher based on reputation.
good player, bad leader, overrated.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 23, 2015, 09:51:46 AM
he's a guy who makes plays in meaningless spots. he's a good pass rusher, he is paid like an elite one and fans think he is an elite pass rusher based on reputation.
good player, bad leader, overrated.
But not one of the most overrated players to ever play the game.
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2015, 10:02:02 AM
Post by: JFIF on December 23, 2015, 10:03:50 AM
you have the tape on him playing yard and making big plays at big moments in big games? let's see it. I guess you like players that only care about their stats, I don't. I like guys that want to win not you guys that make excuses for poor #s.
Thank you for saving me my breath.
This has nothing to do with liking a player. Everyone but you here it seems can remove emotional bias when evaluating someone's tangible skill.
at least this explains your bizarre homoerotic obsession with Brady
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 10:07:30 AM
But not one of the most overrated players to ever play the game.
He isn't even overrated.
Post by: JFIF on December 23, 2015, 10:08:10 AM
He isn't even overrated.
He's an annoying person so that means he can't play football.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 23, 2015, 10:13:32 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 23, 2015, 10:16:30 AM
However, history is littered with that exact type of player winning championships, Keyshawn, Terrell Owens, Haley (for f-sake he would jerk off in the middle of the locker room) etc. etc. etc.
You can't call him a loser because he's only a piece on a football team, he doesn't play an instrumental posision like QB, where attitude and ability to get along really makes a difference (Jay Cutler as a noteworthy example).
Post by: bojanglesman on December 23, 2015, 10:35:22 AM
He isn't even overrated.
Overpaid is probably a more accurate term. I can understand if someone wants to say he is or isn't overrated, but "one of the most overrated to ever play"? Come on....
Post by: bojanglesman on December 23, 2015, 10:36:34 AM
Haley (for f-sake he would jerk off in the middle of the locker room)
Underrated hand game.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 10:37:01 AM
Overpaid is probably a more accurate term. I can understand if someone wants to say he is or isn't overrated, but "one of the most overrated to ever play"? Come on....
Overpaid is a more accurate term, especially when he's being used out of position by Ryan.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 11:27:24 AM
But not one of the most overrated players to ever play the game.
ok, I'll agree there.
If I were running a 4-3 defense, you'd be stupid not to want Mario Williams playing DE. junc is clueless.
call me clueless but my team would win, you can have your stat guys.
Thank you for saving me my breath.
This has nothing to do with liking a player. Everyone but you here it seems can remove emotional bias when evaluating someone's tangible skill.
at least this explains your bizarre homoerotic obsession with Brady
I don't know the man but I hate when players a)don't show up in big moments and b)make excuses.
Brady is the best QB of all time, there's no obsession. it's reality.
I can dig the fact people think he's selfish. Players like that are usually a pain in the derriere on any team and because of his contract people will think he's not worth it or over rated (Junc).
However, history is littered with that exact type of player winning championships, Keyshawn, Terrell Owens, Haley (for f-sake he would jerk off in the middle of the locker room) etc. etc. etc.
You can't call him a loser because he's only a piece on a football team, he doesn't play an instrumental posision like QB, where attitude and ability to get along really makes a difference (Jay Cutler as a noteworthy example).
those guys did anything to win, Mario does not.
Overpaid is probably a more accurate term. I can understand if someone wants to say he is or isn't overrated, but "one of the most overrated to ever play"? Come on....
ever may be a str5etch but he certainly is one of the most overrated players in the game today.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 11:32:15 AM
call me clueless but my team would win, you can have your stat guys.
Your team wouldn't know how to play Cover 2 though.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 11:40:49 AM
Your team wouldn't know how to play Cover 2 though.
I will find a good pee wee coach to coach the team, I'll just supply the players. hopefully that coach can see 3 people around Brandon marshall.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 11:42:56 AM
I will find a good pee wee coach to coach the team, I'll just supply the players. hopefully that coach can see 3 people around Brandon marshall.
If a retard trips and falls in the woods, do the trees laugh?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 23, 2015, 11:43:28 AM
ok, I'll agree there.
call me clueless but my team would win, you can have your stat guys.
I don't know the man but I hate when players a)don't show up in big moments and b)make excuses.
Brady is the best QB of all time, there's no obsession. it's reality.
those guys did anything to win, Mario does not.
ever may be a str5etch but he certainly is one of the most overrated players in the game today.
Yeah well there were points in all of their careers where the same things were said about them, my central point.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 11:44:54 AM
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 11:53:55 AM
Yeah well there were points in all of their careers where the same things were said about them, my central point.
Keyshawn went to the worst team in the league w/. Rich Kotite as his HC, he helped his team win a first ever AFC East title a few years later.
TO was helping his team win as soon as he started playing and once put his career on the line to try to help philly win the SB(and nearly did it)
Haley helped SF win 2 Sbs and Dallas win 3
Those guys wanted to win, they would do anything to win.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
If a retard trips and falls in the woods, do the trees laugh?
pipe down pee wee
please tell me again how Decker and Marshall haven't helped Fitz
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 11:55:19 AM
please tell me again how Decker and Marshall haven't helped Fitz
No one said that, you selective reading bundle of sticks.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 11:57:57 AM
No one said that, you selective reading bundle of sticks.
"you selective reading bundle of sticks"
man you are funny! ::)
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 23, 2015, 11:59:31 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on December 23, 2015, 12:01:09 PM
Keyshawn went to the worst team in the league w/. Rich Kotite as his HC, he helped his team win a first ever AFC East title a few years later.
TO was helping his team win as soon as he started playing and once put his career on the line to try to help philly win the SB(and nearly did it)
Haley helped SF win 2 Sbs and Dallas win 3
Those guys wanted to win, they would do anything to win.
Hey thanks it's really not worth arguing with you because you fail to grasp the argument other people are making.
T.O. wasn't jettisoned from numerous teams for fighting and being a queynte? ..........nah never happened, he's a winner.
Keyshawn wasn't traded, benched, and/or cut because he was a selfish queynte.......... nah he was a winner as well.
Haley : Haley was traded to the Dallas Cowboys in the 1992 off-season after having had a personal conflict with 49ers head coach George Seifert and a physical confrontation with quarterback Steve Young.............. Never happened because he's a winner.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:01:22 PM
"you selective reading bundle of sticks"
man you are funny! ::)
You're trying to take shots at me for what I do for a living (again). Just returning the favor.
No one on this site had anything to do with Mario Williams leaving a shitty tip after you let him cum inside you. He thought Buffalo beating the Jets was good enough for you.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 23, 2015, 12:01:48 PM
Keyshawn went to the worst team in the league w/. Rich Kotite as his HC, he helped his team win a first ever AFC East title a few years later.
TO was helping his team win as soon as he started playing and once put his career on the line to try to help philly win the SB(and nearly did it)
Haley helped SF win 2 Sbs and Dallas win 3
Those guys wanted to win, they would do anything to win.
Basically, what you're saying is: if a me-first player plays for a team that wins, that player is okay, but if a me-first player plays on a team that loses, then that guy is garbage.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 23, 2015, 12:04:16 PM
Basically, what you're saying is: if a me-first player plays for a team that wins, that player is okay, but if a me-first player plays on a team that loses, then that guy is garbage.
Yeah but if said loser was all of a sudden sent or signed to a winning team, would said loser then become a winner?
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:05:53 PM
Basically, what you're saying is: if a me-first player plays for a team that wins, that player is okay, but if a me-first player plays on a team that loses, then that guy is garbage.
the myth is Keyshawn was a me first guy but that is 100% false. he could be a jerk no doubt but he was beloved in the jets locker room and there was a near mutiny when he was traded.
when a player speaks up when his team is winning b/c his stats aren't good enough that's a guy not interested in winning.
perfect example of Key was week 1 1999 after Vinny went down. key had a GREAT game despite awful QB play but the jets lost late and he had a meltdown on the podium after the game. that man wanted to WIN.
Post by: Pope on December 23, 2015, 12:06:37 PM
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:06:42 PM
You're trying to take shots at me for what I do for a living (again). Just returning the favor.
No one on this site had anything to do with Mario Williams leaving a shitty tip after you let him cum inside you. He thought Buffalo beating the Jets was good enough for you.
you took shots first in case you were wondering.
stick to pee wee football and leave attempts at comedy alone.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:07:24 PM
Do you think Mario will jam Marshall or Decker?
Rex will have him jam Kerley
Post by: Miamipuck on December 23, 2015, 12:08:10 PM
the myth is Keyshawn was a me first guy but that is 100% false. he could be a jerk no doubt but he was beloved in the jets locker room and there was a near mutiny when he was traded.
(http://home.arcor.de/keyshawn_johnson/Keyshawn%20Jets%20Damn%20Ball%20Book.jpg)
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:08:30 PM
you took shots first in case you were wondering.
no
I proved that you're a blowhard without making anything personal. This isn't Finheaven or TGG. You can't just spew garbage here and expect people to accept it.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:08:51 PM
I've seen it all
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:09:00 PM
Hey thanks it's really not worth arguing with you because you fail to grasp the argument other people are making.
T.O. wasn't jettisoned from numerous teams for fighting and being a queynte? ..........nah never happened, he's a winner.
Keyshawn wasn't traded, benched, and/or cut because he was a selfish queynte.......... nah he was a winner as well.
Haley : Haley was traded to the Dallas Cowboys in the 1992 off-season after having had a personal conflict with 49ers head coach George Seifert and a physical confrontation with quarterback Steve Young.............. Never happened because he's a winner.
on the field no one questioned whether TO wanted to win. he had off field issues
Keyshawn was a BELOVED player in that Jets locker room. don't allow whiny fan perceptions to fool you. he wasn't traded b/c of any issue.
what you have written is idiotic, none of those examples are of guys not committed to winning. players change teams, please let me know when any of those guys played on playoff caliber teams that got better when they left and then were complaining on a winning team b/c of stats?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:09:38 PM
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:09:50 PM
Yeah but if said loser was all of a sudden sent or signed to a winning team, would said loser then become a winner?
depends, would that player be willing to sacrifice to win? maybe it happens some day for Mario but he has had the chance to LEAD a team to the playoffs but he has chosen to be selfish instead
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:10:44 PM
(http://home.arcor.de/keyshawn_johnson/Keyshawn%20Jets%20Damn%20Ball%20Book.jpg)
what does his book have to do w/ anything? where he was right on numerous topics by the way. were the jets winning when he wrote it? was he satisfied w/ losing? was he just worried about #s?
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:11:23 PM
no
I proved that you're a blowhard without making anything personal. This isn't Finheaven or TGG. You can't just spew garbage here and expect people to accept it.
I said marshall was commanding attention which was a fact, you deflected then started going after me.
this isn't HS football son.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:12:30 PM
LOL @ Keyshawn Johnson being a team player
I've seen it all
you are beyond clueless. Key was beloved on those teams, not by all but by the majority. Obviously Chrebet hated him(more players dislike Wayne than key by the way) and I am sure others did but did it affect them on the field? No, b/c he wanted to win.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:13:14 PM
I said marshall was commanding attention which was a fact, you deflected then started going after me.
You have no idea how a Cover 2 defense works. Which tells everyone that you don't know how any kind of coverage works, even man-to-man. You also seem to think that a defensive end's primary job is to rush the passer. Also wrong.
But please, continue to live in this fantasy world of yours where you expect us to believe you would build a championship NFL team from you jizz stained recliner.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:13:21 PM
junc has no idea how competition works
we get it, you coach HS football so you know competition. some of us have more knowledge about sports at the highest level.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:14:34 PM
You have no idea how a Cover 2 defense works. Which tells everyone that you don't know how any kind of coverage works, even man-to-man.actually I do but please school me mr. pee wee coach. please tell me how there were not 3 guys around Marshall. I am sure it was a coincidence that Thompkins was by himself and marshall had 3 guys around him.
But please, continue to live in this fantasy world of yours where you expect us to believe you would building a championship NFL team from you jizz stained recliner.
"from you jizz stained recliner"- I hope you don't teach and it's s shame those kids have to be around a pathetic human being like yourself.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 23, 2015, 12:16:32 PM
what does his book have to do w/ anything? where he was right on numerous topics by the way. were the jets winning when he wrote it? was he satisfied w/ losing? was he just worried about #s?
If he was such a tremendous winner and had a sterling reputation as a team player why was he traded, benched, suspended by the team for detrimental conduct during the end of the season and cut? Is that what usually happens to selfless winning team players?
Also some people hold Revis as the shining example of a selfish greedy player, where's his book. If he was such a great team guy why criticize and belittle every small white fans hero, when said hero was a prominent guy on his own team?
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:18:12 PM
If he was such a tremendous winner and had a sterling reputation as a team player why was he traded, benched, suspended by the team for detrimental conduct during the playoffs and cut? That's what usually happens to selfless winning team players.
Also some people hold Revis as the shining example of a selfish greedy player, where's his book. If he was such a great team guy why criticize and belittle every small white fans hero, when said hero was a prominent guy on his own team?
he did that AFTER helping TB win a SB, right?
he made mistakes.
Revis is another misunderstood guy.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
actually I do but please school me mr. pee wee coach. please tell me how there were not 3 guys around Marshall. I am sure it was a coincidence that Thompkins was by himself and marshall had 3 guys around him.
It's zone coverage. I've already explained it.
Thompkins was not by himself. He beat Byron Jones, who got caught looking into the backfield. The seam route by Enunwa took away his help.
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"from you jizz stained recliner"- I hope you don't teach and it's s shame those kids have to be around a pathetic human being like yourself.
This again?
Post by: Miamipuck on December 23, 2015, 12:19:44 PM
he did that AFTER helping TB win a SB, right?
he made mistakes.
Revis is another misunderstood guy.
He made mistakes. Is that another way of saying he was a selfish queynte? Thank you sir, I agree.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:20:57 PM
It's zone coverage. I've already explained it.
Thompkins was not by himself. He beat Byron Jones, who got caught looking into the backfield. The seam route by Enunwa took away his help.
This again?
the defender was not by himself?
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:21:48 PM
He made mistakes. Is that another way of saying he was a selfish queynte? Thank you sir, I agree.
many players can be selfish but not at the expense of the team. all players want #s but a guy who has never even seen postseason when his team looked like a playoff team early to be complaining about the D told me everything I needed to know about him.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:23:52 PM
the defender was not by himself?
He was by himself because of the offensive play design.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:26:34 PM
He was by himself because of the offensive play design.
why wouldn't they design such a play for their best player to be the primary target? why their 4th/5th WR? so if marshall and Thompkins switched positions Dallas wouldn't have adjusted?
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:30:41 PM
why wouldn't they design such a play for their best player to be the primary target? why their 4th/5th WR? so if marshall and Thompkins switched positions Dallas wouldn't have adjusted?
Dallas probably doesn't call a Cover 2 defense with Marshall and Decker to the trips side. You also don't get Byron Jones over there either. It was designed to go to Thompkins. He said he could beat that look. He wasn't lying.
It's not difficult to explain, I just don't want to waste anymore time explaining reasonable football to someone with an extra chromosome.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:34:53 PM
No one on that side was even considered. They knew was coverage we were going to get on to the trips side.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:36:52 PM
Dallas probably doesn't call a Cover 2 defense with Marshall and Decker to the trips side. You also don't get Byron Jones over there either. It was designed to go to Thompkins. He said he could beat that look. He wasn't lying.
It's not difficult to explain, I just don't want to waste anymore time explaining reasonable football to someone with an extra chromosome.
so their presence helped out Thompkins on that play and we can assume just about every play which was my original point. thanks.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:37:49 PM
What you can't comprehend is that Marshall isn't the only receiver over there. A wide open Bilal Powell is also an option. Sean Lee just drops because they were okay giving up the underneath pass with little time left.
No one on that side was even considered. They knew was coverage we were going to get on to the trips side.
we didn't discuss any of that, we didn't get the all 22. we had a small gif to look at but thanks again.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:38:52 PM
so their presence helped out Thompkins on that play and we can assume just about every play which was my original point. thanks.
No, that was not your original point. You said that they both drew extra attention on that play. It's zone.
Decker is covered by the nickel flat defender. Marshall was bracketed away from the play. Enunwa drew extra attention on the play. He took the top off.
Keep changing your argument though. I'm off until January 4th. I can excrement on you for weeks.
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:45:42 PM
No, that was not your original point. You said that they both drew extra attention on that play. It's zone.
Decker is covered by the nickel flat defender. Marshall was bracketed away from the play. Enunwa drew extra attention on the play. He took the top off.
Keep changing your argument though. I'm off until January 4th. I can excrement on you for weeks.
were there 3 guys around Marshall? was there only one defender around Thompkins? the point is valid.
I get the feeling some young boy will be excrementing on you for the next week and a half and you will be enjoing it.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 12:47:35 PM
were there 3 guys around Marshall? was there only one defender around Thompkins? the point is valid.
There were two defenders on the left side and two eligible receivers. Sean Lee was inside.
You have no point because you don't understand the concepts involved.
Post by: MBGreen on December 23, 2015, 12:49:02 PM
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Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2015, 12:51:05 PM
There were two defenders on the left side and two eligible receivers. Sean Lee was inside.
You have no point because you don't understand the concepts involved.
you already admitted it, move along son.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2015, 01:41:30 PM
you already admitted it, move along son.
Admitted that you were always wrong about this
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2015, 01:27:18 PM
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Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 31m31 minutes ago
Rex admits criticism from #Bills players hurt/bother him. Said: I've never been looked at as the problem before. #jets
I think Rex might be retarded.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 30, 2015, 01:30:44 PM
I think Rex might be retarded.
He's been lying to himself for quite some time now. Maybe this will make him a better coach, but I doubt it.
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2015, 01:33:09 PM
He's been lying to himself for quite some time now. Maybe this will make him a better coach, but I doubt it.
His 2nd chance with the Bills was supposed to make him a better coach.
He needs to go back to being a DC. Rex is the defensive version of Norval Turner.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2015, 01:36:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
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A statement from Bills Owner Terry Pegula. https://t.co/SiLnexGwNr
Post by: Libero_2 on December 30, 2015, 02:17:27 PM
Rex is safe
Until we win 68-3
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2015, 02:20:51 PM
Rex is safe
The Pegulas love buttchugging the Rex koolaid.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2015, 02:24:58 PM
The Pegulas love buttchugging the Rex koolaid.
Is Pegula Badgers last name?
Post by: MBGreen on December 30, 2015, 02:29:29 PM
Is Pegula Badgers last name?
in b4 the #shitpost
Post by: Miamipuck on December 30, 2015, 02:32:19 PM
in b4 the #shitpost
Yeah it may be a excrement post but what do you pee if you drink Rex's koolaide?
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2015, 02:37:59 PM
I think Rex might be retarded.
Kim didn't post the full thing he said. He said he's never felt like he's been the problem with players before. Basically he was saying: "My guys usually love me, regardless of the results." And he's not really wrong there.
This was after saying he was a bit hurt that players publicly called him out this season.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 30, 2015, 02:38:40 PM
Yeah it may be a excrement post but what do you pee if you drink Rex's koolaide?
Bullshit and hot air.
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2016, 09:36:41 PM
freak you too. At least this helps our chances for that high draft pick you want so badly. Two more losses per year and fighting for 3rd place. This off season just keeps getting better.
It's funny to go back and read these old posts to see how way off people were. We finished in second place, not third.
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2016, 09:38:14 PM
Ok, let me know when we beat them again too.
They didn't beat us according to Puck, so by process of elimination, we must have beat them.
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2016, 09:45:40 PM
Really solid hire for Buffalo.
I really don't think Rex will make the same mistakes he did when he was here, if he didnt learn from them by now his stay will be very short.
I'd say they have a ceiling of 9 wins at the moment. They have a far better roster then we do at this one but that could very well change by September. I really hope he fucks up yet again but he's definetly going to give everyone in the Division a run for their money 6 times a year.
If he brings Sanchez in as his stop gap for the next year or 2 I have a lot of confidence that they're a playoff contender next season. excrement on Sanchez all you want but I think he'll wind up becoming a poor man's Alex smith at this point in his career. He wasn't much better or worse then foles this past season and there's little chance he doesn't find a starting job somewhere in this league whether it be with Buffalo or elsewhere.
The offensive weapons Rex has in buffalo are a step below what he had in 2010 but they're far better then what he's had since that season. The only thing I'd really hate about this hire is losing Dunbar to the bills. Other then that its whatever.
This post was a roller coaster of good and bad predictions.
Post by: Badger on January 03, 2016, 09:52:22 PM
SiriusXM NFL Radio @SiriusXMNFL 2m2 minutes ago
Bart Scott on Rex to the Bills: I'm disappointed. I wish Rex would've waited for the Falcons, that was the job to take.
Sadly, Bart.....your ex head coach is an impatient moron prone to making stupid decisions
It's pretty funny how he stumbled to 8-8 with the Bills when he could have gone an impressive 8-8 with the Falcons instead. What an idiot.
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2016, 11:02:20 PM
It's pretty funny how he stumbled to 8-8 with the Bills when he could have gone an impressive 8-8 with the Falcons instead. What an idiot.
lapband surgery destroyed his career.
Post by: Miamipuck on January 04, 2016, 12:25:32 AM
They didn't beat us according to Puck, so by process of elimination, we must have beat them.Funny how you have Rex's dick in your mouth, lets pretend you have no idea what I meant, Seriously die in a fire.
Post by: Badger on January 04, 2016, 05:23:28 AM
Funny how you have Rex's dick in your mouth, lets pretend you have no idea what I meant, Seriously die in a fire.
PLAYOFFS BABY 12-4
Post by: Coach K on January 04, 2016, 07:03:43 AM
#homerexer
Post by: nyjunc on January 04, 2016, 09:05:53 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2016, 09:13:16 AM
our issue was never rex, it was talent. in 2 games Bowles was badly outcoached by rex, we'd be playing this week if we kept Rex. I still like Bowles but yesterday was a bad sign.
you are wrong
Post by: nyjunc on January 04, 2016, 09:26:43 AM
you are wrong
I am right. this team was more talented than 2009 or 2010, where's our title game run?
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2016, 09:33:35 AM
I am right. this team was more talented than 2009 or 2010, where's our title game run?
I was referring to "rex not being our issue"...and yes, i'm right.
I'm also not engaging in an argument over this, because there is no argument.
Post by: nyjunc on January 04, 2016, 09:38:09 AM
I was referring to "rex not being our issue"...and yes, i'm right.
I'm also not engaging in an argument over this, because there is no argument.
there isn't, when Rex had talent like this he had us on brink of SB 2 times.
Post by: NDMick on January 04, 2016, 09:40:42 AM
I am right. this team was more talented than 2009 or 2010, where's our title game run?
9-7 in 09 was good enough for a WC birth. Not this year.
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2016, 09:41:56 AM
there isn't, when Rex had talent like this he had us on brink of SB 2 times.
Rex ran this team into the freaking ground, junc. I get that you don't understand that, and I'm prepared not to rehash that stupid argument again because you don't understand. Just agree to disagree.
Post by: nyjunc on January 04, 2016, 09:48:27 AM
Rex ran this team into the freaking ground, junc. I get that you don't understand that, and I'm prepared not to rehash that stupid argument again because you don't understand. Just agree to disagree.
he did not, the team was run into the ground based on lack of talent.
we don't have to go back and forth but rex was a scapegoat. coaching was not better this year on the field. where Bowles was better was in the LR b/c he put out many small fires that could have become infernos under rex but on the field Bowles was not anywhere near as good as Rex.
Post by: nyjunc on January 04, 2016, 09:49:44 AM
9-7 in 09 was good enough for a WC birth. Not this year.
the conf was more balanced them and had better teams at the top. some years 9 wins gets you in, sometimes 10 or 11. Our 9-7 2002 team was MUCH better than our 10-6 2001 team. it's not just the # of wins, we had a creampuff sched this year and couldn't take advantage. we had a win and in game in 2009 and the game was over by halftime, we had one this year and we allowed a dead team to beat us.
Post by: Cane on January 04, 2016, 09:53:08 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2016, 10:06:12 AM
Duff probably wouldn't have come here if Rex had to be the coach, so arguing who would have done better with this talent is really useless.
junc is gonna junc.
Post by: nyjunc on January 04, 2016, 10:09:46 AM
Duff probably wouldn't have come here if Rex had to be the coach, so arguing who would have done better with this talent is really useless.
I am not saying the move didn't have to be made, unfortunately it did but we let a good coach go. the real problem began when we foolishly let Tannenbaum go.
Post by: Johnny English on January 04, 2016, 10:10:42 AM
Post by: nyjunc on January 04, 2016, 10:12:14 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 04, 2016, 10:15:18 AM
my apologies, we have the best HC/GM duo in the league. SBs are guaranteed!
Not the best, but certainly better than the shitshow we had with Rex/Tanny/Idzik.
Post by: Tommy on January 04, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
Post by: nyjunc on January 04, 2016, 10:17:42 AM
Bowles got out coached a few times but the team still won 10 games, and had we swept the Bills we would've been the #1 seed. Not bad for a rookie run. Let's hope he learns from some of this, but it sucks having to start all over again.
I like Bowles, I am not anti Bowles but let's see how much he improves year 1 to year 2. he has a ton of great qualities for a HC.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 04, 2016, 01:30:54 PM
I am not saying the move didn't have to be made, unfortunately it did but we let a good coach go. the real problem began when we foolishly let Tannenbaum go.
This. And to compound the Rex move he's in our division now to deal with twice a year like Belichick.
I like Bowles too, and Duff, hoping we stick with them when there's a bad year and everyone turns on them too.
Post by: Cane on January 04, 2016, 02:46:34 PM
I am not saying the move didn't have to be made, unfortunately it did but we let a good coach go. the real problem began when we foolishly let Tannenbaum go.
I think we had to make the move to get a fresh start, and I think Rex will benefit long term as well, even if he gives the appearance of being the same guy he was here.
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 09:08:47 AM
Asked re: Bowles on WFAN, Willie Colon says: We've gotta thank @woodyjohnson4 for taking the time to find a HC who knows what the #Jets need
amen, Willie.
Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 09:14:48 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 09:34:36 AM
I love when players cannot take responsibility for their failures
Or when coaches continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.
Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 09:54:41 AM
Or when coaches continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.
that coach badly outcoached our coach on Sunday
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 09:55:44 AM
that coach badly outcoached our coach on SundayRex ryan was badly outcoached his last 4 years with the jets
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Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 10:18:57 AM
Rex ryan was badly outcoached his last 4 years with the jetsw/ no talent to coach. when he had talent like Bowles had this year(and not as much) he led team to brink of SB twice.
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Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 10:20:31 AM
w/ no talent to coach. when he had talent like Bowles had this year(and not as much) he led team to brink of SB twice.
No
He took that roster, and systematically declined over those 4 years. Along with the GMs involved.
Again...i'm not rehashing old arguments you continue to lose.
Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 10:22:39 AM
No
He took that roster, and systematically declined over those 4 years. Along with the GMs involved.
Again...i'm not rehashing old arguments you continue to lose.
haha, I continue to lose. the facts are out there, you don't want to see them.
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 10:23:43 AM
haha, I continue to lose. the facts are out there, you don't want to see them.
the irony from this post smells like a wet fart.
Post by: dcm1602 on January 05, 2016, 11:22:56 AM
The Buffalo News reports Bills owner Terry Pegula told coach Rex Ryan and GM Doug Whaley they will be fired if Buffalo does not reach the playoffs next season.
Buffalo entered the season with high hopes, but the defense collapsed and the team missed the playoffs for the 16th season in a row. There were some high points, as Buffalo finally found a respectable quarterback in Tyrod Taylor and started to see how good Sammy Watkins can be, but there is still a lot of work to do on both sides of the ball. In a division featuring the Patriots and Jets, it will be tough for Buffalo to make a playoff push next year.
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 11:29:40 AM
Lololol freak Rex
The Buffalo News reports Bills owner Terry Pegula told coach Rex Ryan and GM Doug Whaley they will be fired if Buffalo does not reach the playoffs next season.
Buffalo entered the season with high hopes, but the defense collapsed and the team missed the playoffs for the 16th season in a row. There were some high points, as Buffalo finally found a respectable quarterback in Tyrod Taylor and started to see how good Sammy Watkins can be, but there is still a lot of work to do on both sides of the ball. In a division featuring the Patriots and Jets, it will be tough for Buffalo to make a playoff push next year.
Sure would be sweet to be playing Buffalo in week 17 next year, with Rex's employment on the line and we smoke them.
Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 11:36:25 AM
Sure would be sweet to be playing Buffalo in week 17 next year, with Rex's employment on the line and we smoke them.
you didn't get enough w/ this years games?
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 11:39:38 AM
you didn't get enough w/ this years games?
I'm not dwelling in the past.
Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 11:50:55 AM
I'm not dwelling in the past.
I hope things change next year, Buffalo should be tougher and we'll need to be better.
Post by: Pope on January 05, 2016, 11:58:39 AM
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 11:59:41 AM
I hope things change next year, Buffalo should be tougher and we'll need to be better.
Rex will continue to kill that team next year. He never learns from his mistakes. Pegula obviously doesn't trust Rex either, that ultimatum was quite telling.
But you're right about us needing to be better, and i think we will be.
Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 12:04:34 PM
Rex will continue to kill that team next year. He never learns from his mistakes. Pegula obviously doesn't trust Rex either, that ultimatum was quite telling.
But you're right about us needing to be better, and i think we will be.
yep, he sure killed them. took a great franchise and dragged them down ;D
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 12:06:38 PM
yep, he sure killed them. took a great franchise and dragged them down ;D
Oh..getting threatened by the owner after your first season as head coach must be a ringing endorsement in your warped world.
Maybe the Bills should sign Kerry Collins.
Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
Oh..getting threatened by the owner after your first season as head coach must be a ringing endorsement in your warped world.
Maybe the Bills should sign Kerry Collins.
as we know the Bills organization is 1st class, they know how to win!
it was nice that osweiler got Denver the 1 seed while PEDton was benched.
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2016, 12:13:47 PM
it was nice that osweiler got Denver the 1 seed while PEDton was benched.
You know that Peyton Manning won that game, right? You probably just blocked that out by closing your eyes to imagine Tom Brady freaking you in the missionary position.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 05, 2016, 12:13:58 PM
PEDton
Really?
Post by: Heismanberg on January 05, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
Really?
PEDjanglesman
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 12:14:52 PM
as we know the Bills organization is 1st class, they know how to win!
they sure know how to prepare for windy games
Post by: bojanglesman on January 05, 2016, 12:15:20 PM
PEDjanglesmanIf I'm on PEDs, my doctor needs to jump off a cliff
Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
You know that Peyton Manning won that game, right? You probably just blocked that out by closing your eyes to imagine Tom Brady freaking you in the missionary position.
he's the greatest! the way he handed the ball off was a thing of beauty!(spare me your HS coach stuff, I know he changed plays and brought an energy to the team)
Post by: nyjunc on January 05, 2016, 12:18:30 PM
they sure know how to prepare for windy games
cold/wind didn't bother his team just like it didn't bother us in 2009/2010.
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 01:55:12 PM
cold/wind didn't bother his team just like it didn't bother us in 2009/2010.
So you're saying Rex Ryan is more effective as a weather vane. I think we finally agree on something.
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2016, 04:52:44 PM
I'm ignoring the past and substituting my own imagined history.
FYP
Post by: Ornstein on January 05, 2016, 05:03:39 PM
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 44m44 minutes ago
Asked re: Bowles on WFAN, Willie Colon says: We've gotta thank @woodyjohnson4 for taking the time to find a HC who knows what the #Jets need
amen, Willie.
Shots fired.
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 05:38:20 PM
Shots fired.
Willie Colon is ignoring the past and substituting his own imagined history.
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2016, 05:59:40 PM
Willie Colon is ignoring the past and substituting his own imagined history.
Nothing wrong with what he said. You're just twisting it.
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 06:01:06 PM
Nothing wrong with what he said. You're just twisting it.
Nope
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2016, 06:17:06 PM
Post by: MBGreen on January 05, 2016, 06:24:04 PM
He's complimenting Bowles but your derriere is so sore that everything must be a shot at Rex.
or...he believes Rex didn't understand what this team needed to be successful. Which would make more sense, given the previous 4 years of Rex's tenure.
I know you refuse to believe that...but that's your problem, not ours.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 05, 2016, 07:03:54 PM
He's complimenting Bowles but your derriere is so sore that everything must be a shot at Rex.
I read that the way you did. Rex was already gone, the quote wasn't about him at all.
Post by: Badger on January 05, 2016, 07:35:20 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 06, 2016, 10:15:08 PM
Literally the only context connecting that quote to Rex was posting it in this thread.
Its hard to imagine that quote not being a shot at Rex.
For starters Rex is the only other Jets coach while Colon has been here. And the only reason someone would say that, is if theyre insinuating the previous coach didnt.
Post by: Pope on January 06, 2016, 10:17:28 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 06, 2016, 10:40:06 PM
I always got the vibe that Colon loved playing for Rex
Well find out when we cut his derriere
Post by: bojanglesman on January 07, 2016, 02:36:33 AM
Well find out when we cut his derriereHe'll retire.
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2016, 05:50:58 AM
And the only reason someone would say that, is if theyre insinuating the previous coach didnt.
He's complimenting Bowles.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 07, 2016, 07:20:19 AM
He's complimenting Bowles.Stop Defending Rex
Post by: MBGreen on January 07, 2016, 10:40:14 AM
Post by: Murrell2878 on January 07, 2016, 12:06:17 PM
what does his book have to do w/ anything? where he was right on numerous topics by the way. were the jets winning when he wrote it? was he satisfied w/ losing? was he just worried about #s?
It was actually a very good book to read.
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2016, 08:47:49 AM
Culture change under Rex led Jerricho Cotchery to want to leave #Jets http://nwsdy.li/1SEonit via @newsday
Post by: Miamipuck on February 03, 2016, 08:53:42 AM
Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 45m45 minutes ago
Culture change under Rex led Jerricho Cotchery to want to leave #Jets http://nwsdy.li/1SEonit via @newsday
#shouldhavekeptrex
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2016, 08:56:29 AM
#shouldhavekeptrex
Cotchery talks about a culture change and that he's a team-first guy. My assumption is that he didn't care for the me-first bullshit that came with Santonio Holmes.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 03, 2016, 08:58:20 AM
Cotchery talks about a culture change and that he's a team-first guy. My assumption is that he didn't care for the me-first bullshit that came with Santonio Holmes/Burress/Mason.
Fixed
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2016, 08:59:12 AM
Fixed
True that.
Of course Rex had a hand in this, because he facilitated the culture change.
Post by: Miamipuck on February 03, 2016, 09:13:15 AM
True that.
Of course Rex had a hand in this, because he facilitated the culture change.
Nah Rex was the greatest he should have had a job in perpetuity.
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2016, 09:18:25 AM
Nah Rex was the greatest he should have had a job in perpetuity.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaQ_gRAVIAAn_Qx.jpg)
Post by: Miamipuck on February 03, 2016, 09:29:48 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 03, 2016, 03:36:17 PM
Post by: MBGreen on February 03, 2016, 03:38:12 PM
I won't pretend I wasn't a leader on the #KeepRex bandwagon, but I am so glad he's no longer here. I just wish he was also somewhere outside of our division.
I hope he replaces Ditka on ESPN countdown or the Jaw on CBS someday soon.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 03, 2016, 03:49:17 PM
I hope he replaces Ditka on ESPN countdown or the Jaw on CBS someday soon.
#NoQuestion
Post by: Pope on February 03, 2016, 06:13:18 PM
Post by: insanity on February 04, 2016, 06:39:57 AM
Say what you will but we lost to him twice this year and missed the playoffs because of it.
That he did. His teams scheme well enough to beat anyone but he'll never win a Super Bowl as a head coach. His teams are too inconsistent because they aren't disciplined
Post by: SixFeetDeep on February 04, 2016, 07:18:43 PM
Say what you will but we lost to him twice this year and missed the playoffs because of it.
If we beat the bills twice we would have won the division.
Post by: Libero_2 on February 04, 2016, 10:26:01 PM
If we beat the bills twice we would have won the division.
Thanks for that old fashioned kick in the dick
Post by: Fenwyr on February 05, 2016, 09:35:15 AM
If we beat the bills twice we would have won the division.
We would have been the #1 seed as well.
Post by: MBGreen on September 17, 2016, 10:45:36 AM
Greg Roman reportedly described Rex Ryan as a "buffoon" after 2015 season https://t.co/8FkBBUeQTs
Hahaha
Post by: nyjunc on October 18, 2016, 11:29:57 AM
Post by: dcm1602 on October 18, 2016, 11:53:07 AM
Post by: Jumbo on October 18, 2016, 12:04:02 PM
It's bad when Rex can lead an offense light years better than ours with one of the least talented offensive skill positions in the league
Rex isn't doing excrement on offense, like he always has. It's Anthony Lynn
Post by: Johnny English on October 18, 2016, 12:05:16 PM
It's bad when Rex can lead an offense light years better than ours with one of the least talented offensive skill positions in the league
It's Rex's dream offensive scheme. Run the ball on the first two downs, then if you need a third you show pass and then run it again. Rinse and repeat. If you want to mix it up a bit, have Shady run it from a direct snap rather than a handoff. What he has had to help him make it work is a reasonable offensive line, Shady McCoy, a mobile QB and some soft run defenses. It won't last.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2016, 12:05:17 PM
Rex isn't doing excrement on offense, like he always has. It's Anthony Lynn
and even then...Shady is one hit away from that offensive house of cards falling down.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 18, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
Rex isn't doing excrement on offense, like he always has. It's Anthony Lynn
I don't care who is doing what
The bills have the second most points in the league
Post by: AlioTheFool on October 18, 2016, 12:14:24 PM
I don't care who is doing what
The bills have the second most points in the league
I have to agree with you. Our more talented team is a trash fire and Rex's merry band of misfit toys is winning games.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2016, 12:19:24 PM
I don't care who is doing what
The bills have the second most points in the league
The Bills have beaten the Brady-less Pats, Rams, Niners and the Cards at home. Not exactly lighting the world on fire.
Post by: dcm1602 on October 18, 2016, 12:20:08 PM
The Bills have beaten the Brady-less Pats, Rams, Niners and the Cards at home. Not exactly lighting the world on fire.
Outside of the Niners don't all those teams have good defenses?
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2016, 12:22:18 PM
Outside of the Niners don't all those teams have good defenses?
not really
Post by: nyjunc on October 18, 2016, 12:28:37 PM
The Bills have beaten the Brady-less Pats, Rams, Niners and the Cards at home. Not exactly lighting the world on fire.the Brady-less Pats were 3-0 in their other 3 games
the Rams beat Seattle and Arizona, 2 teams that beat us soundly
The cards just humiliated us and buf humiliated them
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2016, 12:34:59 PM
the Brady-less Pats were 3-0 in their other 3 games
the Rams beat Seattle and Arizona, 2 teams that beat us soundly
The cards just humiliated us and buf humiliated them
You should buy a Bills jersey then....may I suggest JP Losman.
Post by: nyjunc on October 18, 2016, 12:47:39 PM
You should buy a Bills jersey then....may I suggest JP Losman.
I should buy a Bills jersey b/c Rex is a good coach doing nice things in Buffalo while we have a much more talented team and are possibly the worst team in the league thanks to inept coaching and QB play? I'll consider it.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2016, 12:48:49 PM
I should buy a Bills jersey b/c Rex is a good coach doing nice things in Buffalo while we have a much more talented team and are possibly the worst team in the league thanks to inept coaching and QB play? I'll consider it.
It'll look nice on the wall in your Patriots man-cave.
Post by: IATA on October 18, 2016, 12:49:29 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on October 18, 2016, 12:52:47 PM
You should buy a Bills jersey then....may I suggest JP Losman.
I think it would be a better idea for him to get a Colts jersey with Collins on the back.
Post by: Johnny English on October 18, 2016, 12:53:15 PM
the Rams beat Seattle and Arizona, 2 teams that beat us soundly
The cards just humiliated us and buf humiliated them
If you're using the transitive property as evidence, we battered them.
Post by: MBGreen on October 18, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
I think it would be a better idea for him to get a Colts jersey with Collins on the back.zing!
Post by: nyjunc on October 18, 2016, 12:57:58 PM
I think it would be a better idea for him to get a Colts jersey with Collins on the back.
haha, that is actually funny though as we know they tanked it that year. if they didn't tank it they would have been fine as they were a year later or as Denver is w/o him after they dragged him kicking and screaming to a SB.
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
haha, that is actually funny though as we know they tanked it that year. if they didn't tank it they would have been fine as they were a year later or as Denver is w/o him after they dragged him kicking and screaming to a SB.Was it 10 or 11 wins you predicted?
Post by: nyjunc on October 18, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
Was it 10 or 11 wins you predicted?
who knew they would tank? a year later w/ less talent they won 10/11 games and were back in the playoffs.
Post by: Badger on October 18, 2016, 06:07:43 PM
who knew they would tank? a year later w/ less talent they won 10/11 games and were back in the playoffs.
Why can't you admit you didn't realize that team wasn't good?
Post by: Miamipuck on October 18, 2016, 06:13:51 PM
Why can't you admit you didn't realize that team wasn't good?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aXAU4MmMIMo
Post by: Johnny English on October 18, 2016, 07:08:33 PM
Why can't you admit you didn't realize that team wasn't good?Because then he'd have to accept the essential failure of his entire argument of Brady > Manning before we've even begun with Garoppolo this season.
Post by: nyjunc on October 19, 2016, 10:54:55 AM
Why can't you admit you didn't realize that team wasn't good?
how were they a year later when they weren't tanking? they tanked for Luck. if they were still bad w/ Luck I'd admit it but they were quickly a playoff team again and had less talent than 2010/2011.
Post by: nyjunc on October 19, 2016, 10:56:39 AM
Because then he'd have to accept the essential failure of his entire argument of Brady > Manning before we've even begun with Garoppolo this season.
Brady made the Pats and BB, it's nice they played well against bad teams to start the season w/o him but BB would be a DC somewhere today if not for Brady and his record w/o him is still atrocious. do you see how denver did w/o peyton last year and this year so far? Peyton's 2 SB winning years he was dragged kicking and screaming to those titles. Brady was THE reason NE became a dynasty and is a power year after year after year.
Post by: Johnny English on October 19, 2016, 11:01:14 AM
Post by: nyjunc on October 19, 2016, 11:42:09 AM
I'm not doing this again.
I wouldn't if I were you either, it's a losing argument.
Post by: Heismanberg on October 19, 2016, 11:42:51 AM
Post by: MBGreen on October 19, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
I wouldn't if I were you either, it's a losing argument.lol
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2016, 12:18:59 PM
I wouldn't if I were you either, it's a losing argument.
No, you lose
And I can throw a football farther than you
Post by: Jumbo on October 19, 2016, 12:19:32 PM
Post by: Badger on October 19, 2016, 02:22:12 PM
how were they a year later when they weren't tanking? they tanked for Luck. if they were still bad w/ Luck I'd admit it but they were quickly a playoff team again and had less talent than 2010/2011.They were a wild card team in a excrement division. They had a point differential of -30 and got their asses handed to them in the first round. Even we beat them that year.
Post by: ukilledkenny on October 19, 2016, 06:41:52 PM
Post by: nyjunc on October 27, 2016, 12:20:27 PM
No, you lose
And I can throw a football farther than you
good luck with that.
They were a wild card team in a excrement division. They had a point differential of -30 and got their asses handed to them in the first round. Even we beat them that year.
the division was just as bad the year they tanked and just as bad when peyton was there.
the Giants were -6 when they won the SB in 2011.
Post by: MBGreen on October 27, 2016, 12:21:59 PM
good luck with that.
the division was just as bad the year they tanked and just as bad when peyton was there.
the Giants were -6 when they won the SB in 2011.
you missed a good tailgate
Post by: Badger on October 27, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
Post by: Tommy on October 29, 2016, 11:48:26 PM
Brian Schottenheimer tanked his career just to spite junc.
lololololololol
Post by: nyjunc on November 01, 2016, 10:49:52 AM
you missed a good tailgate
sorry i missed it.
Brian Schottenheimer tanked his career just to spite junc.
he was good for us. it amazes me how we had a terrible QB, terrible OC, terrible HC, terrible GM and we made back to back title games. I wonder how many times that has happened in NFL history?
Post by: Badger on November 01, 2016, 12:35:25 PM
he was good for us. it amazes me how we had a terrible QB, terrible OC, terrible HC, terrible GM and we made back to back title games. I wonder how many times that has happened in NFL history?
Show me where I ever called Sanchez, Rex, or Tanny terrible.
What's Schotty doing now?
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 01, 2016, 02:13:38 PM
Show me where I ever called Sanchez, Rex, or Tanny terrible.
What's Schotty doing now?
Trying to wreck Andrew Luck's career?
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 08, 2016, 03:10:04 PM
They look organised too and notably a good mixture in the play calling whilst staying true to their run game. In fact everything the basement team in the AFC East aren't.
Post by: insanity on November 08, 2016, 04:26:21 PM
Just watched the highlights of the Bills and Seahawks. That was a gutsy performance from the Bills. Rex's team are still playing hard for him.
They look organised too and notably a good mixture in the play calling whilst staying true to their run game. In fact everything the basement team in the AFC East aren't.
I half agree and half disagree. The team is definitely playing hard, but there are still a ton of discipline issues that I see. Rex is also still cursing at players on the side of the field like he is still in the game. And Rex is still getting outcoached in halftime adjustments. That was one thing I couldn't deal with any longer
I will say, it's really fun to watch their offense with Shady and Taylor, but I don't think this style of play is conducive for today's NFL. If this team gets down by two scores they aren't making a comback in the 3rd or 4th quarter. Also, Clay who Rex demanded, is a total misfit for this offense, and shows that Rex still doesn't understand offensive personnel.
Post by: nyjunc on November 09, 2016, 12:24:58 PM
Just watched the highlights of the Bills and Seahawks. That was a gutsy performance from the Bills. Rex's team are still playing hard for him.
They look organised too and notably a good mixture in the play calling whilst staying true to their run game. In fact everything the basement team in the AFC East aren't.
I wish we played that hard for our HC and that Buf team is severely undermanned.
Post by: d sw0rdz on November 09, 2016, 12:27:15 PM
Post by: IATA on November 09, 2016, 12:59:28 PM
does anybody know if rex ryan supported donald trump
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aLk8MN4yXDA/maxresdefault.jpg)
Post by: Miamipuck on November 09, 2016, 02:36:58 PM
does anybody know if rex ryan supported donald trump
Hahaha is that really a question?
Post by: nyjunc on November 28, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
Post by: JFIF on November 28, 2016, 04:47:48 PM
Always appreciate you chiming in with functionally useless comments.
The Dolphins have won a bunch of close games against bad teams (games they normally lose) and the Bills have played all the easy teams on their schedule. If you're setting the bar at the Dolphins and Bills you should douse yourself in lighter fluid and jump into a tiki torch. All 3 teams stink and aren't doing anything meaningful this year or next.
Post by: Miamipuck on November 28, 2016, 06:17:43 PM
Thanks for that perspectiveless drivel.
Always appreciate you chiming in with functionally useless comments.
The Dolphins have won a bunch of close games against bad teams (games they normally lose) and the Bills have played all the easy teams on their schedule. If you're setting the bar at the Dolphins and Bills you should douse yourself in lighter fluid and jump into a tiki torch. All 3 teams stink and aren't doing anything meaningful this year or next.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Post by: insanity on November 29, 2016, 09:38:23 AM
Thanks for that perspectiveless drivel.
Always appreciate you chiming in with functionally useless comments.
The Dolphins have won a bunch of close games against bad teams (games they normally lose) and the Bills have played all the easy teams on their schedule. If you're setting the bar at the Dolphins and Bills you should douse yourself in lighter fluid and jump into a tiki torch. All 3 teams stink and aren't doing anything meaningful this year or next.
I agree it's a waste of time measuring our success or failures as an orgranization against our past coach's and GM's success, but It's not because those teams aren't good. I actually think they are probably as good as any of the teams that are above .500 in the AFC besides the Pats and Chiefs.
The reason we shouldn't make the comparison and get upset about firings is because you measure success by longevity. Rex's fault was not that he couldn't lead a team to a good season but that he couldn't manage the team well enough to win a championship. Rex leads his team's with bravado and emotion. It can be great when placed in a a singular situation you need to fight your way out of, but as we've seen, emotions can falter and playing off emotion can also lead to mental mistakes and penalties.
Tannenbaum is much of the same. We had some great years with him but he mortgaged his and the teams future for a short term goal which ended up leading to his demise.
Coming full circle... the question we should be asking is, do Bowles and Duff have an ability to be successful long term?
Post by: nyjunc on November 29, 2016, 10:34:39 AM
Thanks for that perspectiveless drivel.
Always appreciate you chiming in with functionally useless comments.
The Dolphins have won a bunch of close games against bad teams (games they normally lose) and the Bills have played all the easy teams on their schedule. If you're setting the bar at the Dolphins and Bills you should douse yourself in lighter fluid and jump into a tiki torch. All 3 teams stink and aren't doing anything meaningful this year or next.
you do realize we play very similar scheds, right? you do realize we have more talent, right?
you do realize Miami beat Pitt who beat us, they beat the Rams who beat us, they beat SD who would beat us. Buf beat LA who beat us, beat AZ who beat us, they beat NE who beat us, they beat Cincy who beat us.
you were saying about perspective? you also realize Miami has made ONE postseason since 2002 and the only reason they made it that year was b/c Brady missed the season. Buffalo and Miami rarely are in playoff position this Century in december yet here they both sit either in or w/in a game and for Buf they have had heavy losses due to injuries/suspensions but thanks for your input and I hope you are enjoying the Bowles show!
Post by: nyjunc on November 29, 2016, 10:35:48 AM
I agree it's a waste of time measuring our success or failures as an orgranization against our past coach's and GM's success, but It's not because those teams aren't good. I actually think they are probably as good as any of the teams that are above .500 in the AFC besides the Pats and Chiefs.
The reason we shouldn't make the comparison and get upset about firings is because you measure success by longevity. Rex's fault was not that he couldn't lead a team to a good season but that he couldn't manage the team well enough to win a championship. Rex leads his team's with bravado and emotion. It can be great when placed in a a singular situation you need to fight your way out of, but as we've seen, emotions can falter and playing off emotion can also lead to mental mistakes and penalties.
Tannenbaum is much of the same. We had some great years with him but he mortgaged his and the teams future for a short term goal which ended up leading to his demise.
Coming full circle... the question we should be asking is, do Bowles and Duff have an ability to be successful long term?
we had one bad season under Mike and they fired him and brought in Idzik. it is why we are where we are. Rex can coach circles around Bowles but had no talent the last few years here. we are a playoff team last year and this year w/ Rex.
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2016, 11:06:42 AM
we are a 19-0 team last year and this year w/ Rex + Kerry Collins
Agreed 100%
Post by: Pope on November 29, 2016, 12:27:32 PM
Post by: nyjunc on November 29, 2016, 12:54:09 PM
Silly to point fingers now. We have a lot of problems and the reality is that we will not be a playoff team until 2018 or 2019.
The reality is any team is a year away from making the playoffs. So to say 2018 or 2019 may be true but we could make it next year if we have a good offseason, some of our younger guys develop and the HC develops.
Post by: Tommy on November 29, 2016, 12:57:43 PM
The reality is any team is a year away from making the playoffs. So to say 2018 or 2019 may be true but we could make it next year if we have a good offseason, some of our younger guys develop and the HC develops.
Going to be tough without a QB.
Post by: Pope on November 29, 2016, 12:59:34 PM
The reality is any team is a year away from making the playoffs. So to say 2018 or 2019 may be true but we could make it next year if we have a good offseason, some of our younger guys develop and the HC develops.I know that every team can theoretically rebound and make the playoffs the following year but we have some huge holes to fill throughout and without a legitimate QB on the roster.
This isn't like the Jets teams of old where the defense bailed out the offense. I just can't see us being over .500 with our current QB and defensive situation. We will likely lose some combination of:
Mangold, Decker/Marshall, Clady/Breno, Sheldon, Revis, Harris
Post by: JFIF on November 29, 2016, 01:05:31 PM
you do realize we play very similar scheds, right? you do realize we have more talent, right?
you do realize Miami beat Pitt who beat us, they beat the Rams who beat us, they beat SD who would beat us. Buf beat LA who beat us, beat AZ who beat us, they beat NE who beat us, they beat Cincy who beat us.
you were saying about perspective? you also realize Miami has made ONE postseason since 2002 and the only reason they made it that year was b/c Brady missed the season. Buffalo and Miami rarely are in playoff position this Century in december yet here they both sit either in or w/in a game and for Buf they have had heavy losses due to injuries/suspensions but thanks for your input and I hope you are enjoying the Bowles show!
My favorite part out of all this schizophrenic pinballing is you think that because teams have similar schedules, that means they're played in the exact same order.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2016, 01:08:04 PM
I know that every team can theoretically rebound and make the playoffs the following year but we have some huge holes to fill throughout and without a legitimate QB on the roster.
This isn't like the Jets teams of old where the defense bailed out the offense. I just can't see us being over .500 with our current QB and defensive situation. We will likely lose some combination of:
Mangold, Decker/Marshall, Clady/Breno, Sheldon, Revis, Harris
I want the first 3 to stay. The rest can go. I still like Sheldon but I won't cry if he gets traded.
Post by: Badger on November 29, 2016, 01:10:31 PM
Going to be tough without a QB.Sanchez should be available.
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2016, 01:11:31 PM
I want the first 3 to stay. The rest can go. I still like Sheldon but I won't cry if he gets traded.
Harris is still solid.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2016, 01:14:14 PM
Harris is still solid.
I love Harris. I always have, despite his shortcomings.
That said, Lee is taking his job. I doubt Harris will be gone this offseason, but I won't be too upset if he is. It's time to get younger across the board.
Post by: Johnny English on November 29, 2016, 01:17:20 PM
I love Harris. I always have, despite his shortcomings.
That said, Lee is taking his job. I doubt Harris will be gone this offseason, but I won't be too upset if he is. It's time to get younger across the board.
Lee's capable of doing the things that Harris never could. Harris is a heavy tackler who is exceptional against the run, but he doesn't have the speed or the lateral quickness to be much use in coverage or chasing down mobile QBs. Lee and Harris have very complementary skill sets and having Harris's experience alongside Lee while he's still learning the ropes in the NFL is invaluable.
With all the problems that we have to fix, let's not be trying to fix ones that we don't yet have.
Post by: AlioTheFool on November 29, 2016, 02:16:46 PM
Lee's capable of doing the things that Harris never could. Harris is a heavy tackler who is exceptional against the run, but he doesn't have the speed or the lateral quickness to be much use in coverage or chasing down mobile QBs. Lee and Harris have very complementary skill sets and having Harris's experience alongside Lee while he's still learning the ropes in the NFL is invaluable.
With all the problems that we have to fix, let's not be trying to fix ones that we don't yet have.
I'm not messing with anything. Lee took over some of Harris' duties on Sunday.
I really don't care which of them is here or not. I wasn't try to say "Ship these guys out immediately." All I meant was apart from the first three guys I couldn't care less if the rest are gone next year. I'm already prepared for a 3-5 win campaign in 2017.
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 10:18:31 AM
Going to be tough without a QB.
we didn't have a QB last year and went 10-6.
I know that every team can theoretically rebound and make the playoffs the following year but we have some huge holes to fill throughout and without a legitimate QB on the roster.
This isn't like the Jets teams of old where the defense bailed out the offense. I just can't see us being over .500 with our current QB and defensive situation. We will likely lose some combination of:
Mangold, Decker/Marshall, Clady/Breno, Sheldon, Revis, Harris
no one thought we'd have a playoff chance going ino 2015, things change quick. I agree w/ you but you never know.
My favorite part out of all this schizophrenic pinballing is you think that because teams have similar schedules, that means they're played in the exact same order.
we played Cincy who has been mediocre all year
we played Seattle when they were struggling and Wilson was hobbled
we played Ari when they were struggling
the rams stink
KC would lose the next week 43-14 and we are the only tam they beat by more than 6 at home.
Pitt would lose their next 4 after us
Please stop. we did not play a tough sched.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2016, 10:24:46 AM
Pitt would lose their next 4 after us
Pretty convenient to leave out the part about their franchise quarterback getting hurt.
You used the injury excuse for Russell Wilson. Why can't the same be said for Ben Roethlisberger during that rough stretch for Pittsburgh?
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 10:30:48 AM
Pretty convenient to leave out the part about their franchise quarterback getting hurt.
You used the injury excuse for Russell Wilson. Why can't the same be said for Ben Roethlisberger during that rough stretch for Pittsburgh?
Ben missed 1 game, Ben is always playing hurt. you can use that excuse if you want though, still doesn't explain 4 straight losses or the thrashing against Philly w/ a healthy ben.
Our sched was not tough. we just stunk. poorly coached, poor QB, poor D.
Post by: Heismanberg on December 01, 2016, 10:32:37 AM
Ben missed 1 game
Wilson missed zero games, but you still used his injury as an excuse.
Editing the narrative is a specialty of yours. Take that excrement elsewhere.
Post by: nyjunc on December 01, 2016, 10:35:39 AM
Wilson missed zero games, but you still used his injury as an excuse.
Editing the narrative is a specialty of yours. Take that excrement elsewhere.
he could barely move when he played us and Seattle wasn't playing well earlier in the season(and still aren't great like usual). In 3 different games that O has scored 3, 6, and 3 pts. their D has allowed at least 24 in 4 games and we could only score 10 in the competitive portion of the game(w/o that fluke TD to make it 17).
there's excrement here but it's being slung by the guy who though Fitz was the next Rich Gannon.
Post by: insanity on December 01, 2016, 06:27:19 PM
Lee's capable of doing the things that Harris never could. Harris is a heavy tackler who is exceptional against the run, but he doesn't have the speed or the lateral quickness to be much use in coverage or chasing down mobile QBs. Lee and Harris have very complementary skill sets and having Harris's experience alongside Lee while he's still learning the ropes in the NFL is invaluable.
With all the problems that we have to fix, let's not be trying to fix ones that we don't yet have.
Sometimes I feel like youre the only voice of reason on this board.
Getting rid of Harris would be stupid at this point in our teams transition. Harris is old and on the slowner side, but he's a solid player and a good soldier that provides consistency. Lee and Harris don't play the same role and Lee is still making technique and read errors. If you want the kid to be able to roam you need to be able to count on his counterpart to be where he is supposed to be. Harris is the exact player you want next to Lee
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 02, 2016, 08:47:16 AM
Sometimes I feel like youre the only voice of reason on this board.
Getting rid of Harris would be stupid at this point in our teams transition. Harris is old and on the slowner side, but he's a solid player and a good soldier that provides consistency. Lee and Harris don't play the same role and Lee is still making technique and read errors. If you want the kid to be able to roam you need to be able to count on his counterpart to be where he is supposed to be. Harris is the exact player you want next to Lee
The coaching staff directly replaced Harris with Lee on 10 snaps of the Patriots game--including signal calling for the entire unit. But what does Bowles know?
I don't know if Harris will or won't be back. Personally I don't care either way. I just look at the fact that the coaching staff clearly trusts Lee enough to fill in for Harris right now and that Harris will make $6.5M next year if he's on the team. He's got $0 cap hit next season if cut. If the staff feels Lee is capable enough to fill in Harris' role, he'll be gone in a rebuilding year where that money can be spent elsewhere.
Post by: Johnny English on December 02, 2016, 08:54:45 AM
The coaching staff directly replaced Harris with Lee on 10 snaps of the Patriots game--including signal calling for the entire unit. But what does Bowles know?
I'd want context for that. I'd expect those were all obvious passing downs where the defensive call required the linebackers to either blitz or drop into coverage. Harris isn't great at either and Brady knows it, so you take him out and have Mauldin, Lee, Stanford and Richardson who are all far more athletic than Harris and therefore less predictable.
That isn't a case of Lee replacing Harris, it's using the personnel available to suit the particular situation. The base defense, which assumes pass and run as equally viable options, has Harris and Lee alongside each other. If you release Harris then you have a hole and Lee doesn't fill it, because he's already part of the base D. We don't have a Harris replacement on the roster currently.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 02, 2016, 09:07:42 AM
I'd want context for that. I'd expect those were all obvious passing downs where the defensive call required the linebackers to either blitz or drop into coverage. Harris isn't great at either and Brady knows it, so you take him out and have Mauldin, Lee, Stanford and Richardson who are all far more athletic than Harris and therefore less predictable.
That isn't a case of Lee replacing Harris, it's using the personnel available to suit the particular situation. The base defense, which assumes pass and run as equally viable options, has Harris and Lee alongside each other. If you release Harris then you have a hole and Lee doesn't fill it, because he's already part of the base D. We don't have a Harris replacement on the roster currently.
I don't have any context than on 10 snaps Lee replaced Harris during the game. On those 10 snaps he not only assumed Harris' position, but his playcalling duties as well. That's a pretty major responsibility, and to me is reasonably telling regarding what they think of Lee. It's not like there were no other vets on the field who could've assumed those responsibilities.
Harris is under contract for one more year. A year that any sane person can't reasonably expect this team to compete during. If that $6.5M can be spent towards, say, a good FA corner doesn't it potentially make the team better in 2018 when Harris certainly won't be around?
That's my only point. Harris isn't part of the future, but his future salary can serve to improve the future of the team--with zero cap impact.
Post by: Johnny English on December 02, 2016, 09:43:46 AM
I don't have any context than on 10 snaps Lee replaced Harris during the game. On those 10 snaps he not only assumed Harris' position, but his playcalling duties as well. That's a pretty major responsibility, and to me is reasonably telling regarding what they think of Lee. It's not like there were no other vets on the field who could've assumed those responsibilities.
Harris is under contract for one more year. A year that any sane person can't reasonably expect this team to compete during. If that $6.5M can be spent towards, say, a good FA corner doesn't it potentially make the team better in 2018 when Harris certainly won't be around?
That's my only point. Harris isn't part of the future, but his future salary can serve to improve the future of the team--with zero cap impact.
None of which addresses my point, which is that no one on the roster currently is equipped to do what Harris does. So you're either into drafting someone, which is possible but far from a given, or signing a free agent, which will consume those cap savings that you seem to think are more important than Harris's play.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 02, 2016, 10:09:03 AM
None of which addresses my point, which is that no one on the roster currently is equipped to do what Harris does. So you're either into drafting someone, which is possible but far from a given, or signing a free agent, which will consume those cap savings that you seem to think are more important than Harris's play.
You have as much idea what the Jets future plans are as I do. Maybe they decide to keep Sheldon and go 4-3 next year? Maybe they trade Sheldon and draft another ILB? Maybe Harris sticks around another year? Maybe they extend Harris a couple more years?
I really don't give two runny shits.
Here is what was originally said:
I know that every team can theoretically rebound and make the playoffs the following year but we have some huge holes to fill throughout and without a legitimate QB on the roster.
This isn't like the Jets teams of old where the defense bailed out the offense. I just can't see us being over .500 with our current QB and defensive situation. We will likely lose some combination of:
Mangold, Decker/Marshall, Clady/Breno, Sheldon, Revis, Harris
I want the first 3 to stay. The rest can go. I still like Sheldon but I won't cry if he gets traded.
This entire nonsense started with me saying I don't really give a excrement what happens with Clady, Breno, Richardson, Revis, or Harris. Next year is a throwaway year, so if every one of them becomes a cap casualty, I couldn't possibly care less.
After that, I simply presented reasons why the New York Jets might be ready and willing to move on from him and appear to be preparing his successor.
Post by: Johnny English on December 02, 2016, 10:38:03 AM
This entire nonsense started with me saying I don't really give a excrement what happens with Clady, Breno, Richardson, Revis, or Harris. Next year is a throwaway year, so if every one of them becomes a cap casualty, I couldn't possibly care less.
And yet you'll be the first to complain about how terrible Bowles is at organising a defense when we cut ties with Harris and suddenly teams are running all over us.
Post by: guinness77 on December 02, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 02, 2016, 11:19:27 AM
And yet you'll be the first to complain about how terrible Bowles is at organising a defense when we cut ties with Harris and suddenly teams are running all over us.
What are you even talking about at this point? Is your sole intention to just continue arguing over strawmen?
What does Rex Ryan have to do with any of this?
Hahaha, I was actually thinking earlier today: "Wait, this is a Rex Ryan thread? How the hell did we get here?"
Post by: Miamipuck on December 02, 2016, 07:06:06 PM
What does Rex Ryan have to do with any of this?
Pretzel m&m's
Post by: Badger on December 02, 2016, 08:15:38 PM
Pretzel m&m's
Charleston Chew
Post by: Johnny English on December 06, 2016, 05:20:24 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 06, 2016, 06:20:04 PM
Most of the NFL talk on sports radio up here is Bills-related, and they seem pretty convinced that Rex is a goner at the end of the season.#ReHireRex
Post by: Johnny English on December 06, 2016, 07:44:16 PM
#ReHireRex
#GoFuckYourself
Post by: JFIF on December 06, 2016, 09:06:53 PM
Most of the NFL talk on sports radio up here is Bills-related, and they seem pretty convinced that Rex is a goner at the end of the season.
Even if he finishes 9-7?
Post by: Pope on December 06, 2016, 09:46:59 PM
Post by: Johnny English on December 06, 2016, 09:57:01 PM
Even if he finishes 9-7?
Dunno. There was certainly talk before the season started that he needed to make the postseason this year to keep his job, but I don't know how much truth there was to that. Their feeling seems to be that their roster is capable of more than Rex is able to get out of it.
I will caveat this with the fact that Alex Marvez is one of their regular pundits, and I'm not sure how much store I set by his views. Still, there doesn't seem to be much dissent.
Post by: nyjunc on December 07, 2016, 08:08:04 AM
Dunno. There was certainly talk before the season started that he needed to make the postseason this year to keep his job, but I don't know how much truth there was to that. Their feeling seems to be that their roster is capable of more than Rex is able to get out of it.
I will caveat this with the fact that Alex Marvez is one of their regular pundits, and I'm not sure how much store I set by his views. Still, there doesn't seem to be much dissent.
when healthy and not suspended they have playoff talent but w/ what he has had to work with he's done an incredible job to keep that team competitive.
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2016, 11:20:32 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 11, 2016, 11:28:30 AM
LaCanfora is reporting Rex could be fired on Monday.
LOL
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2016, 11:56:56 AM
LaCanfora is reporting Rex could be fired on Monday.
If the "playoffs or bust" mandate the media relayed was real, it makes sense. Barring a minor miracle, they aren't making it.
Like Rex or not, I think as a coach he's done a pretty decent job this year with all the bad luck they had. I don't pay a ton of attention to the Bills, so I don't know what the locker room feeling there is about him. I don't know if Buffalo is ready to step backwards for a few years yet again if they bail on Rex. I think with him they will tread water.
The one thing that might save him is the firing of Greg Roman and how they improved after that. Who knows.
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2016, 11:59:29 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2016, 12:13:04 PM
i hope the promote rob ryan to HC after they fire rex
I forgot he was there too. That would be epic. Have them rehired as reverse roles.
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 11, 2016, 01:04:55 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2016, 01:14:43 PM
If they want to dump Tyrod, I'll take him over 95% of the other options we could get.He's not great, but he's a viable starter and protects the ball. We could do worse.
The problem is that it would delay figuring out Hackenberg/Petty and Tyrod will demand a good salary. He's only 27. Decent QB starters don't hit the market often.
I'd almost rather give Petty his shot to end this season. If he chokes, bail and focus on Hack next year with a cheap vet backup that isn't horrendous (McCown type). Spend money elsewhere.
I'm onboard for the Cowboys blueprint.
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2016, 01:24:54 PM
If they want to dump Tyrod, I'll take him over 95% of the other options we could get.
No thanks. I've never understood what people see in him.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2016, 01:26:44 PM
No thanks. I've never understood what people see in him.He only has 5 INT this year. I like that.
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2016, 01:30:09 PM
He only has 5 INT this year. I like that.JE would rather roll with Geno.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2016, 01:31:32 PM
JE would rather roll with Geno.Don't put that on JE now.
Post by: Johnny English on December 11, 2016, 01:39:33 PM
JE would rather roll with Geno.
I'd rather have Kaepernick than either of them. I think we've seen the ceiling of all three and if Kaepernick could get back to his then he's the best of the bunch by a huge distance.
Harbaugh and Kaepernick this offseason, please. Let's put the band back together.
Post by: MBGreen on December 11, 2016, 01:46:20 PM
I'd rather have Kaepernick than either of them. I think we've seen the ceiling of all three and if Kaepernick could get back to his then he's the best of the bunch by a huge distance.if you look up wishful thinking in the dictionary...you'll see a pic of Harbaugh wearing Jets gear.
Harbaugh and Kaepernick this offseason, please. Let's put the band back together.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2016, 01:47:15 PM
if you look up impossible in the dictionary...you'll see a pic of Harbaugh wearing Jets gear.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 11, 2016, 02:31:55 PM
He only has 5 INT this year. I like that.And he just got picked. Haha
Post by: nyjunc on December 13, 2016, 07:56:22 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 13, 2016, 07:57:29 AM
this is why the Bills are the Bills and for some reason we try to emulate them.
what
Post by: nyjunc on December 13, 2016, 08:01:14 AM
what
we want to fire coaches every few years like the Bills, it's why we have turned into them and have such a long playoff-less streak. rex did an outstanding job this year w/ the healthy talent they had and if they are going to fire him it is a typical Bills move and why they are 0 for the Century in making the playoffs in the parity era.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 18, 2016, 08:27:26 AM
Per Schefter, Ryan is "probably coaching his final games" in Buffalo and is already "aware of what's ahead." In other words, he's a sitting duck. The expectation all along was that Ryan would be given one last chance to guide Buffalo to the postseason after going 8-8 in his first year at the helm. Obviously he wasn't able to deliver on that. While Ryan appears to be headed for unemployment, the Bills are expected to retain GM Doug Whaley. Ryan has gone 14-15 during his two-year stay in Buffalo.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 18, 2016, 08:31:54 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 18, 2016, 09:02:03 AM
Oh well, TV or d-coordinator.the jets should hire him as a DC...he's brilliant in that role.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 18, 2016, 09:27:47 AM
the jets should hire him as a DC...he's brilliant in that role.
Yeah no, that won't happen. Maybe Badger needs a personal assistant.
Post by: MBGreen on December 18, 2016, 09:29:52 AM
Yeah no, that won't happen. Maybe Badger needs a personal assistant.i lol'd
Post by: bojanglesman on December 18, 2016, 11:04:59 AM
the jets should hire him as a DC...he's brilliant in that role.I assume you are joking. He would never come back here as a DC.
Post by: guinness77 on December 18, 2016, 11:11:50 AM
Post by: MBGreen on December 18, 2016, 11:25:29 AM
I assume you are joking. He would never come back here as a DC.i always got jokes
Post by: Libero_2 on December 18, 2016, 11:51:50 AM
I'm honestly a little surprised by this. Maybe they're factoring in his final Jets seasons too, but 2 seasons, neither too egregious (unless they lose to the Browns today), seems quick.
The article is phrased oddly, "one last chance" as though he had 5 tries and came up short each time.
It's not even his team yet. But I'll be glad when he is out of the AFCE. Rex was an idiot for not holding out for the Atlanta job
Post by: Pope on December 18, 2016, 03:48:46 PM
Post by: MBGreen on December 18, 2016, 03:51:31 PM
I wonder if Rex promised playoffs in his first two yearsi remember when he promised us Super Bowls in his first press conference
Post by: Pope on December 18, 2016, 03:54:04 PM
i remember when he promised us Super Bowls in his first press conferenceTo be fair he got close in those first two years. Problem was we steadily declined after 2010.
Post by: MBGreen on December 18, 2016, 04:00:03 PM
To be fair he got close in those first two years. Problem was we steadily declined after 2010.close only counts in horseshoes, broski.
Post by: Pope on December 18, 2016, 04:04:41 PM
close only counts in horseshoes, broski.I wasn't alive in 69 so I only have select moments I can look back on positively. Rex's last few years sucked but that two year stretch in 2009 and 2010 were my favorite as a Jets fan.
I get that it's the in-joke to say how Rex sucks and all that but it's not like we've done much better since then.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 18, 2016, 08:17:52 PM
I wasn't alive in 69 so I only have select moments I can look back on positively. Rex's last few years sucked but that two year stretch in 2009 and 2010 were my favorite as a Jets fan.
I get that it's the in-joke to say how Rex sucks and all that but it's not like we've done much better since then.
Much better would imply better
This team is worse than anything ever under Rex
Post by: Tommy on December 18, 2016, 08:20:58 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 18, 2016, 09:09:49 PM
Reports saying Rex was fired this evening.
Unless the Russians leaked that in not buying it
Post by: Pope on December 18, 2016, 09:11:01 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 18, 2016, 10:42:14 PM
Why would they fire him after a convincing win, strange. You would think if it was set in stone they would have done it by now, unless the Bills were just eliminated or something
The bills are still in the hunt (although a long shot)
You have to think it's kinds weird if the bills fire Rex if be goes 9-7 though
Post by: Johnny English on December 18, 2016, 11:32:22 PM
Why would they fire him after a convincing win, strange. You would think if it was set in stone they would have done it by now, unless the Bills were just eliminated or somethingIf it's true, the only thing I can think is that maybe after a win he went to the Pegulas and demanded assurances, thus forcing them into a decision.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2016, 12:39:53 AM
If it's true, the only thing I can think is that maybe after a win he went to the Pegulas and demanded assurances, thus forcing them into a decision.
He may be stupid but he's no idiot.
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 10:41:58 AM
I wasn't alive in 69 so I only have select moments I can look back on positively. Rex's last few years sucked but that two year stretch in 2009 and 2010 were my favorite as a Jets fan.
I get that it's the in-joke to say how Rex sucks and all that but it's not like we've done much better since then.
exactly. we don't have the greatest history and he holds the record for a Jets HC w/ playoff wins. I don't get why we cannot show any appreciation for that.
In Buffalo he should be up for COY not on the chopping block but they are the Bills. they make us look like a well run operation.
Post by: Tommy on December 19, 2016, 10:49:23 AM
exactly. we don't have the greatest history and he holds the record for a Jets HC w/ playoff wins. I don't get why we cannot show any appreciation for that.
In Buffalo he should be up for COY not on the chopping block but they are the Bills. they make us look like a well run operation.
Coach of the Year? You serious?
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 10:52:34 AM
Coach of the Year? You serious?
dead serious. w/ all the injuries, suspensions, the media frenzy about him being fired he has rallied that team and they are still in the race w/ 2 weeks left. he did a poor job last season(though if though didn't lose the QB for 3 games they may have made the playoffs), he has done an outstanding job this season.
Post by: Pope on December 19, 2016, 11:53:59 AM
dead serious. w/ all the injuries, suspensions, the media frenzy about him being fired he has rallied that team and they are still in the race w/ 2 weeks left. he did a poor job last season(though if though didn't lose the QB for 3 games they may have made the playoffs), he has done an outstanding job this season.I wouldn't call them in the race, I saw a post on a Bills site outlining what needs to happen.. it was insane. They need about 12 games to go in their favor
Post by: MBGreen on December 19, 2016, 11:57:48 AM
dead serious. w/ all the injuries, suspensions, the media frenzy about him being fired he has rallied that team and they are still in the race w/ 2 weeks left. he did a poor job last season(though if though didn't lose the QB for 3 games they may have made the playoffs), he has done an outstanding job this season.
lol no
Jason Garrett won 12 games with a rookie QB, and his rookie HB is about to smash Eric Dickerson's rookie rushing record.
Sit down with the Rex COY bullshit.
EDIT: Also, Jack Del Rio says hi.
Post by: ons on December 19, 2016, 12:34:54 PM
dead serious. w/ all the injuries, suspensions, the media frenzy about him being fired he has rallied that team and they are still in the race w/ 2 weeks left. he did a poor job last season(though if though didn't lose the QB for 3 games they may have made the playoffs), he has done an outstanding job this season.
I don't know how much I'm going to cry about their suspensions and injuries when one of their division wins was against the Jacoby Brissett-led Patriots.
Post by: ukilledkenny on December 19, 2016, 12:49:57 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 19, 2016, 01:03:49 PM
I wouldn't call them in the race, I saw a post on a Bills site outlining what needs to happen.. it was insane. They need about 12 games to go in their favor
One is against us, so 11.
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 01:06:05 PM
lol no
Jason Garrett won 12 games with a rookie QB, and his rookie HB is about to smash Eric Dickerson's rookie rushing record.
Sit down with the Rex COY bullshit.
EDIT: Also, Jack Del Rio says hi.
should be "UP" for COY meaning a candidate, I didn't say he should win. Garrett, gase, Del Rio and Mularkey should be the frontrunners.
why don't people just read what I post?
Post by: Pope on December 19, 2016, 01:06:47 PM
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 01:07:05 PM
How many pages can junc stretch the rex = COTY argument? Check back in 4 days to find out!
the real question is how many pages would this have gone to if I didn't have to point out I said "UP" for COY, nowhere did I say he should win it but reading is hard.
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 01:07:47 PM
I think even considering him a candidate is a hell of a stretch
he's not going to be b/c the notion that he has been bad is out there and that is hard to overcome but when looking at it fairly he has done a heck of a job THIS season. Last season he didn't, this season he has.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2016, 01:07:51 PM
How many pages can junc stretch the rex = COTY argument? Check back in 4 days to find out!
Or they shouldn't have fired Tannenbaum, the gm that drafted maybe one NFL player in his last four years.......wooohoo
Post by: ons on December 19, 2016, 01:08:57 PM
I think even considering him a candidate is a hell of a stretch
Giving up 500 years against the Jets at home should be an automatic disqualification.
Post by: MBGreen on December 19, 2016, 01:11:15 PM
I think even considering him a candidate is a hell of a stretch
bingo
Post by: dcm1602 on December 19, 2016, 01:11:37 PM
But compared to the other coaches around the league Rex is doing just alright. The guy deserves credit for taking a team that was in the same category as the Browns, and almost bringing them up to the same level as teams like the Jets and Dolphins.
Post by: MBGreen on December 19, 2016, 01:11:55 PM
should be "UP" for COY meaning a candidate, I didn't say he should win. Garrett, gase, Del Rio and Mularkey should be the frontrunners.
why don't people just read what I post?
he shouldn't be a candidate either.
Better?
Post by: Pope on December 19, 2016, 01:18:26 PM
Giving up 500 years against the Jets at home should be an automatic disqualification.This confused the excrement out of me until I realized it's meant to say yards
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 19, 2016, 01:20:45 PM
This confused the excrement out of me until I realized it's meant to say yards
500 years is when we're getting back in the playoffs.
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 01:38:30 PM
Or they shouldn't have fired Tannenbaum, the gm that drafted maybe one NFL player in his last four years.......wooohoo
the same guy that drafted a lock HOFer and 2 other possible HOFers and built us into multiple time SB contenders. damn him!
Post by: Pope on December 19, 2016, 01:48:45 PM
the same guy that drafted a lock HOFer and 2 other possible HOFers and built us into multiple time SB contenders. damn him!I liked Tannenbaum but his mindset (at least the one we saw with the Jets) is flawed. He makes splashy moves and tries to pick up a lot of high-profile impact players but at the expense of depth. His drafting outside of the first round was brutal and maxing out the cap on premier players hurt the team in the long run.
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 02:32:25 PM
I liked Tannenbaum but his mindset (at least the one we saw with the Jets) is flawed. He makes splashy moves and tries to pick up a lot of high-profile impact players but at the expense of depth. His drafting outside of the first round was brutal and maxing out the cap on premier players hurt the team in the long run.
he was certainly not perfect, he did give away too many picks but he hit on a lot of moves too and he has Miami on the verge of the playoffs for the first time since 2008. he must do some things right.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
I liked Tannenbaum but his mindset (at least the one we saw with the Jets) is flawed. He makes splashy moves and tries to pick up a lot of high-profile impact players but at the expense of depth. His drafting outside of the first round was brutal and maxing out the cap on premier players hurt the team in the long run.
Nah he was awesome, the best Gm ever, his track record from 08-12 drafts are disqualified because he got lucky in 06 and 07. The one player they got in 4 years is no big deal all great gms have team killing horrid drafts 4 years in a row .
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 02:49:04 PM
Nah he was awesome, the best Gm ever, his track record from 08-12 drafts are disqualified because he got lucky in 06 and 07. The one player they got in 4 years is no big deal all great gms have team killing horrid drafts 4 years in a row .
he got lucky w/ 4 all pros and possibly 3 HOFers. I am sure you loved BP's drafts from 1997-1999 that held us back from greatness.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2016, 02:56:26 PM
Kyle Wilson was a spectacular draft pick, my proof is Dee Milner.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
Dog excrement doesnt smell , my proof is a rotting blue whale carcass.
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 03:04:47 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on December 19, 2016, 03:23:38 PM
he was certainly not perfect, he did give away too many picks but he hit on a lot of moves too and he has Miami on the verge of the playoffs for the first time since 2008. he must do some things right.
If Miami makes the playoffs its not because of Tanny
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 03:27:02 PM
If Miami makes the playoffs its not because of Tanny
of course not but if they sucked it would have all been his fault.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 19, 2016, 03:28:02 PM
Post by: Tommy on December 19, 2016, 03:47:18 PM
I keep thinking he got fired everytime someone posts
He was fired this morning.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2016, 03:52:53 PM
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Til every gm has bust drafts, amazing stuff. Too bad Tannenbaum had 4 in a row, but still he was awesome. Every gm has at least four in a row it's a shame Woody didn't give Idzick 4 years he may have been as good as Tanny.
we fired him and we are where we are while in 2 offseasons w/ Miami he has them on the verge of the playoffs. if you guys are happy with that who am I to argue?
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2016, 04:07:16 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 19, 2016, 04:09:31 PM
Miami are on the verge of the playoffs because a) they have a passable quarterback, who was drafted two years before Tannenbaum joined the team, and b) we suck and let them beat us twice.
They had him before and they weren't any good. We knocked them out on their own field with Geno two years in a row.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2016, 04:16:08 PM
we fired him and we are where we are while in 2 offseasons w/ Miami he has them on the verge of the playoffs. if you guys are happy with that who am I to argue?
Hahaha it was Tannenbaum, he doesn't even control personal. I know I know all great gms don't even control their teams drafts and personnel decisions.
Post by: MBGreen on December 19, 2016, 04:18:05 PM
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 04:20:44 PM
Miami are on the verge of the playoffs because a) they have a passable quarterback, who was drafted two years before Tannenbaum joined the team, and b) we suck and let them beat us twice.
that passable QB is a young Ryan Fitzpatrick, he has shrunk in every big game he has ever played in.
it's interesting how when they sucked it was all tannenbaum and now that those moves are paying off they were on their way w/o him.
Post by: nyjunc on December 19, 2016, 04:22:02 PM
Hahaha it was Tannenbaum, he doesn't even control personal. I know I know all great gms don't even control their teams drafts and personnel decisions.
he's running the show there and has been since he was hired a year and a half ago.
Post by: dcm1602 on December 19, 2016, 04:22:55 PM
And Miami still won't make the playoffs
Post by: Johnny English on December 19, 2016, 05:04:55 PM
that passable QB is a young Ryan Fitzpatrick, he has shrunk in every big game he has ever played in.
it's interesting how when they sucked it was all tannenbaum and now that those moves are paying off they were on their way w/o him.
I have no especially strong feelings about him either way and never have, but let's not go kidding ourselves that Miami are good.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 19, 2016, 05:17:32 PM
I have no especially strong feelings about him either way and never have, but let's not go kidding ourselves that Miami are good.
They're awesome because of Tannenbaum don't kid yourself. The hiring of that guy is the start of a decade long dynasty. I mean Miami had to win that superstar over from at least no teams and he had to give up his entire clientele, he was in such demand. All three of his customers didn't know where to go.
Post by: ons on December 20, 2016, 08:51:47 AM
he's running the show there and has been since he was hired a year and a half ago.
That's not correct. There was a power struggle in Miami during the course of the 2015 offseason that made it's way into the 2015 season. Tannenbaum starting 'running the show' in 2016 when Hickey was fired.
Gase and Grier mark the start of the Tannenbaum era down there.
Post by: nyjunc on December 20, 2016, 08:53:28 AM
The only team the Dolphins have beat with a winning record this season was the Steelers that were dealing with an injured QB.
And Miami still won't make the playoffs
they are almost a lock at this point, they will likely make it even if they lose their last 2 games. a lot has to go wrong for them to miss.
Post by: nyjunc on December 20, 2016, 08:54:31 AM
That's not correct. There was a power struggle in Miami during the course of the 2015 offseason that made it's way into the 2015 season. Tannenbaum starting 'running the show' in 2016 when Hickey was fired.
Gase and Grier mark the start of the Tannenbaum era down there.
Hickey was a figure head, you think Hickey brought Suh to Miami? Mike's fingerprints were all over all those moves. he's done a great job for a guy that sucks as bad as he did for us, right?
Post by: dcm1602 on December 20, 2016, 09:00:16 AM
they are almost a lock at this point, they will likely make it even if they lose their last 2 games. a lot has to go wrong for them to miss.
Odd how they're a lock when statistically they only have a 55% chance of making the playoffs
Post by: nyjunc on December 20, 2016, 09:20:11 AM
Odd how they're a lock when statistically they only have a 55% chance of making the playoffs
I don't know where those odds come from. Play around w/ this. it's going to be very difficult for them to miss.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine
Post by: Johnny English on December 20, 2016, 09:27:35 AM
I don't know where those odds come from. Play around w/ this. it's going to be very difficult for them to miss.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine
Yeah, dcm's odds of 55% are wrong.
It's actually lower than that. (http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NFL.html)
Post by: nyjunc on December 20, 2016, 09:33:17 AM
Yeah, dcm's odds of 55% are wrong.
It's actually lower than that. (http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NFL.html)
I hope that is the case but it will be hard for Miami to miss the playoffs. a lot has to happen.
Post by: ons on December 20, 2016, 09:40:32 AM
Yeah, dcm's odds of 55% are wrong.
It's actually lower than that. (http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NFL.html)
Facts aren't important when he feels like Miami should go to the playoffs.
Also, if Hickey were a figurehead he wouldn't have been fired, 2016 is the first offseason where Mike T had full control over the personnel and scouting department.
Post by: nyjunc on December 20, 2016, 10:06:31 AM
Facts aren't important when he feels like Miami should go to the playoffs.
Also, if Hickey were a figurehead he wouldn't have been fired, 2016 is the first offseason where Mike T had full control over the personnel and scouting department.
The last thing I want to see is Miami in the playoffs.
Tannenbaum has been running things since he was officially brought on board.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2016, 11:38:55 AM
Actually I don't want there to even be playoffs, f*ck it. F*ck everybody, f*ck you all too.
Post by: nyjunc on December 20, 2016, 11:59:38 AM
I want Miami to miss the playoffs. And the Giants.
Actually I don't want there to even be playoffs, f*ck it. F*ck everybody, f*ck you all too.
the last few times we have really sucked so have NYG and Miami but sucking w/ them being good is very painful. let's hope they are gone WC weekend. I will have to give up watching football if we see another NYG-NE SB.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2016, 12:11:27 PM
I will have to give up watching football if we see another NYG-NE SB.
I was just thinking the same thing, last time I volunteered to work and refused to watch.
Nothing to me is worse than the Giants because I live here in a**hole central. Aside from them I moved on to basketball two months ago but you can't go online or turn on your radio without the stupid Giants fans piping up. I've never been such a Dallas fan in my life as I am right now.
Post by: nyjunc on December 20, 2016, 12:26:22 PM
I was just thinking the same thing, last time I volunteered to work and refused to watch.
Nothing to me is worse than the Giants because I live here in a**hole central. Aside from them I moved on to basketball two months ago but you can't go online or turn on your radio without the stupid Giants fans piping up. I've never been such a Dallas fan in my life as I am right now.
it's amazing how all the giants diehards come out from hiding. Normally I'd say they have no shot but I saw 2 teams that had no business winning SBs get hot and go on 2 SB runs in the last decade meanwhile we can't even make one.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2016, 12:41:32 PM
it's amazing how all the giants diehards come out from hiding.
And they wear their champions gear around like they had something to do with it. I'll be almost as happy to see Eli retire as Brady.
Post by: nyjunc on December 20, 2016, 12:51:54 PM
And they wear their champions gear around like they had something to do with it. I'll be almost as happy to see Eli retire as Brady.
to be fair, that happens w/ all teams when they win BUT it seems to happen more w/ them.
Eli is not why they won 2 SBs and he is not why they are winning now.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2016, 12:59:06 PM
to be fair, that happens w/ all teams when they win BUT it seems to happen more w/ them.
Eli is not why they won 2 SBs and he is not why they are winning now.
He steps up in the big games, though. Doesn't put up impressive numbers but he just hangs in there and somehow has been pulling games out for a long time. Hopefully someone, anyone, else wins the NFC.
Post by: nyjunc on December 20, 2016, 01:03:47 PM
He steps up in the big games, though. Doesn't put up impressive numbers but he just hangs in there and somehow has been pulling games out for a long time. Hopefully someone, anyone, else wins the NFC.
he had 2 excellent runs which he deserves credit for(though the D is why they won both SBs), he's never won a playoff game in any other season. It drives me nuts when I see him being talked about as a HOFer. he's a good QB, sometimes he can play great, other times he is terrible. He has never been good enough consistently to be a HOFer.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 20, 2016, 02:11:54 PM
he had 2 excellent runs which he deserves credit for(though the D is why they won both SBs), he's never won a playoff game in any other season. It drives me nuts when I see him being talked about as a HOFer. he's a good QB, sometimes he can play great, other times he is terrible. He has never been good enough consistently to be a HOFer.
Yeah, I don't know about Hall of Fame, I think that's a lot about stats and I'm not a big stats guy. What I do know is if he gets in there and wins a game it's going to suck around here until somebody knocks them out. He's a lot luckier than his brother--Tyree pinning a 4th down catch to his head, the Hail Mary at Green Bay, the SF guy fumbling a punt to give them the game. I've been watching the Jets over 40 years, give me ONE of those breaks in a playoff game.
Post by: Tommy on December 20, 2016, 02:19:08 PM
Post by: nyjunc on December 21, 2016, 10:07:23 AM
Yeah, I don't know about Hall of Fame, I think that's a lot about stats and I'm not a big stats guy. What I do know is if he gets in there and wins a game it's going to suck around here until somebody knocks them out. He's a lot luckier than his brother--Tyree pinning a 4th down catch to his head, the Hail Mary at Green Bay, the SF guy fumbling a punt to give them the game. I've been watching the Jets over 40 years, give me ONE of those breaks in a playoff game.
the problem is he has played so long and has never missed a game so he has excellent compiled #s which fool people. he's in top 10 all time in many categories b/c he has thrown so much. Hopefully they are 1 and done.
Post by: MBGreen on December 21, 2016, 12:58:23 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 21, 2016, 02:28:31 PM
Eli's serves 2 purposes in life....to beat the patriots and bleed for Calvin Pace.
If I lived in Winnipeg I'd agree. I'd rather see New England win again than the Giants, at least I'm not surrounded by their idiot fans.
Post by: Johnny English on December 21, 2016, 02:36:02 PM
If I lived in Winnipeg I'd agree. I'd rather see New England win again than the Giants, at least I'm not surrounded by their idiot fans.
I'd rather see the Giants win the next ten in a row than see New England win one more. We're arriving at that time of year where every queynte who has paid no attention to football all season suddenly remembers what a huge New England fan they are, digs out their Tom Brady jersey and their pink freaking Patriots toque, and infests all of my favourite bars with their idiot drivel. A couple of years ago I had to explain to one of these wankers after he'd blathered on for about 20 minutes about what a huge fan he is that his favourite player had been playing for Denver for the last year.
freak everything about those frontrunning no mark pricks.
Post by: nyjunc on December 21, 2016, 02:49:10 PM
If I lived in Winnipeg I'd agree. I'd rather see New England win again than the Giants, at least I'm not surrounded by their idiot fans.
I am with you 100%. I rooted for NE in both of those SBs and if they played again I'd root for them again. they are the lesser of 2 evils and at least NE is truly great, the Giants had 2 fluke runs and we have to hear about it nonstop. Now if I lived in NE it would be the opposite, I did happen to be in Boston on business for SB XLII and while I knew what awaited me at home I did have a lot of fun that week w/ the Pats fans. ;D
Post by: Miamipuck on December 21, 2016, 04:47:27 PM
If I lived in Winnipeg I'd agree. I'd rather see New England win again than the Giants, at least I'm not surrounded by their idiot fans.Lets face it if any of us lived in Winnipeg we would have eaten a .38 hollow point long ago and would have never known about Jet Offensive.
Also freak any Jets fan that roots for New England in any capacity other than rooting their plane going off the runway, and while nobody dies they all suffered irreparable brain damage.
Post by: Pope on December 21, 2016, 07:16:25 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 21, 2016, 07:51:19 PM
fvck new england
Post by: Johnny English on December 21, 2016, 08:20:47 PM
Post by: Badger on December 21, 2016, 08:45:14 PM
Post by: nyjunc on December 22, 2016, 09:20:58 AM
I suspect that Seafood and nyjunc have repressed issues stemming from being picked on by the big boys at school.
you are no Sherlock Holmes.
Post by: nyjunc on December 22, 2016, 09:22:14 AM
I'd root for the Giants over the Pats every time, just as I'd root for the Mets over the Red Sox. NY team vs hated rival is a no brainer.
Mets over Sox is easy, the Yankees look down at the Mets. w/ the Jets and Giants it's Giant fans that look down at the Jets and again NE is true greatness which I can appreciate. the Giants had 2 fluke runs. the 1986 and 1990 Giant teams don't bother me b/c they were actual great teams, the '07/'11 ones do b/c everything broke perfectly for them.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 22, 2016, 09:58:38 AM
Post by: nyjunc on December 22, 2016, 10:32:09 AM
I support stadium explosion if the Giants play the Pats.
I really think I will stop watching football. I couldn't take a 3rd matchup.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 22, 2016, 10:39:27 AM
I'd root for the Giants over the Pats every time, just as I'd root for the Mets over the Red Sox. NY team vs hated rival is a no brainer.
I don't get how anyone could feel otherwise. I highly doubt a Giants fan would root for the Cowboys over the Jets were it to happen.
This little brother syndrome is ridiculous. I root for 4 football teams: the Jets, and whoever is playing the Pats, Phins, and Bills. If any of those three are playing each other, I hope for a tie.
Anyone who roots for the Pats for any reason, but especially because they're whiny bitches who couldn't deal with happy Giants fans, should end their Jets fandom right now.
Besides, every single Giants fan I know is cool, doesn't throw anything in my face, and actually has more hope for the Jets than I do. Maybe get better friends.
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2016, 10:46:30 AM
The New England Patriots and their fans are a stain on sport and anyone who cheers for them in any situation ever should go and play on the nearest motorway.
Post by: Pope on December 22, 2016, 10:53:05 AM
Full disclosure: I had the winning numbers in a box pool with a payout of $500, the Seahawks scoring would have cost me the money
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 22, 2016, 10:53:45 AM
I suspect that Seafood and nyjunc have repressed issues stemming from being picked on by the big boys at school.
It's an ongoing hatred dating back to long before the Patriots were any good. Keep in mind I was around in the 80s too, so I've lived this once before, nothing to do with New England. Pretty much from opening day I root for the Eagles, Redskins and Cowboys every game for the sole purpose of keeping the Giants as far out of contention as possible.
The first time they played each other I ended up rooting for the Giants when the game started, once I saw Bellichick and Brady's faces on my TV. The second one was on the heels of the Christmas Eve Jets-Giants game so i was pretty pissed off at every Giants fan I knew, then they caught every break in the world to make it, so I was hoping New England would beat them. Again, I didn't watch the game because I didn't want to see them win, but I didn't want to hear about it from the Giants fans.
F*ck them both really, but there's no way in f*ck I ever want to see the Giants even in the Super Bowl again, let alone win it.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 22, 2016, 10:54:32 AM
Post by: Johnny English on December 22, 2016, 10:55:54 AM
Again, I didn't watch the game because I didn't want to see them win, but I didn't want to hear about it from the Giants fans.
I think that not watching that game and denying its existence before, during and after the event is an entirely legitimate approach for a Jets fan. The only unacceptable behaviour is cheering for the Patriots.
If you have significant money riding on it as Pope did, I think I could get as far as not being completely unhappy with the outcome.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 22, 2016, 11:00:10 AM
I think that not watching that game and denying its existence before, during and after the event is an entirely legitimate approach for a Jets fan. The only unacceptable behaviour is cheering for the Patriots.
If you have significant money riding on it as Pope did, I think I could get as far as not being completely unhappy with the outcome.
I'm just glad the Pats didn't win the Super Bowl in our stadium.
Post by: AlioTheFool on December 22, 2016, 11:05:59 AM
I agree regarding Pope. If you've got money on it and it could play out in your favor it's understandable. I still wouldn't actively root for the Pats, but I understand being okay with the outcome if it breaks your way.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 22, 2016, 11:15:04 AM
I only know one Giants fan and he's a good guy. I know lots of Patriots fans, and when it comes to football they are without exception complete knobs. They're either clueless front runners who spout idiocy until you call them out on it at which point they resort to "you're just bitter and jealous because Jets", or know it all gobshites who take every possible opportunity to explain to you in great detail with supporting cherrypicked stats why every single player on their team is the greatest to ever play the position.
The New England Patriots and their fans are a stain on sport and anyone who cheers for them in any situation ever should go and play on the nearest motorway.
Nothing to add here, well done. would read again and recommend to a friend.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 22, 2016, 12:16:12 PM
I think that not watching that game and denying its existence before, during and after the event is an entirely legitimate approach for a Jets fan. The only unacceptable behaviour is cheering for the Patriots.
Oh yeah, I'm not that f*cking insane. Maybe I wasn't clear about that. If it happens again I'll do the same thing, avoid it altogether and hope the Giants don't win.
Post by: nyjunc on December 22, 2016, 12:23:10 PM
I don't get how anyone could feel otherwise. I highly doubt a Giants fan would root for the Cowboys over the Jets were it to happen.
This little brother syndrome is ridiculous. I root for 4 football teams: the Jets, and whoever is playing the Pats, Phins, and Bills. If any of those three are playing each other, I hope for a tie.
Anyone who roots for the Pats for any reason, but especially because they're whiny bitches who couldn't deal with happy Giants fans, should end their Jets fandom right now.
Besides, every single Giants fan I know is cool, doesn't throw anything in my face, and actually has more hope for the Jets than I do. Maybe get better friends.
I hate the Giants more than any team in any sport(tied w/ duke basketball). I will root for any team over the Giants whether it's preseason, reg season or postseason. That organization HATES the Jets, they are frauds portraying fake "class" and they bash the Jets at every opportunity. when they were going for their 2nd SB over NE they were tweeting about the Jets. I despise them as much as anyone could despise any team. On a side not I do happen to like some of their players- specifically Eli who is a very good guy but I despise that organization.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 22, 2016, 12:34:19 PM
Post by: sg3 on December 22, 2016, 12:34:56 PM
I hate the Giants more than any team in any sport(tied w/ duke basketball). I will root for any team over the Giants whether it's preseason, reg season or postseason. That organization HATES the Jets, they are frauds portraying fake "class" and they bash the Jets at every opportunity. when they were going for their 2nd SB over NE they were tweeting about the Jets. I despise them as much as anyone could despise any team. On a side not I do happen to like some of their players- specifically Eli who is a very good guy but I despise that organization.Oh God no...not here too
Post by: ukilledkenny on December 22, 2016, 12:36:25 PM
If I lived in Winnipeg I'd agree. I'd rather see New England win again than the Giants, at least I'm not surrounded by their idiot fans.
I am with you 100%. I rooted for NE in both of those SBs and if they played again I'd root for them again. they are the lesser of 2 evils and at least NE is truly great, the Giants had 2 fluke runs and we have to hear about it nonstop. Now if I lived in NE it would be the opposite, I did happen to be in Boston on business for SB XLII and while I knew what awaited me at home I did have a lot of fun that week w/ the Pats fans. ;D
Where do you two go that you just hear about the Giants super bowl wins all the time?
Post by: d sw0rdz on December 22, 2016, 12:48:49 PM
I hate the Giants more than any team in any sport(tied w/ duke basketball). I will root for any team over the Giants whether it's preseason, reg season or postseason. That organization HATES the Jets, they are frauds portraying fake "class" and they bash the Jets at every opportunity. when they were going for their 2nd SB over NE they were tweeting about the Jets. I despise them as much as anyone could despise any team. On a side not I do happen to like some of their players- specifically Eli who is a very good guy but I despise that organization.
RE trying to portray class, is that the organization itself, or fans/media personalities doing much of that? i honestly don't remember the organization itself showing any ill will towards the jets in that regard. the only thing i can remember is when they decided to do a secret coin toss with goodell over who would get the 1st game at the new meadowlands, without jets brass being present.
and in regards to the twitter thing.....bro, you and I would probably agree on my view that twitter accounts for sports teams in general are cringeworthy and a joke, and aren't run professionally at all......but I would use a team's twitter account as the last thing to determine how much 'class' an organization has. nobody high up runs those accounts, it's probably young people who have no sense of what it means to be professional, or to make tweets worthy of a professionally run NFL organization. it's akin to a person of hilary rodham clinton's stature making a 'delete your account'-type tweet
just a couple of years ago the atlanta hawks twitter account made a tweet of worship towards Lil B the Based God. I don't think I've ever seen something so ugly in my life, but it's what you see from team twitter accounts all the time nowadays. it means nothing
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 22, 2016, 01:20:10 PM
Where do you two go that you just hear about the Giants super bowl wins all the time?
Can't speak for junc, I live 20 miles from the stadium and again I've been here since the Giants moved out here in the 70s. When they're even in the hunt you can't turn on your radio, drive past a billboard or go to the store without obnoxious Giants fans and propaganda. The longer it lasts and the further they go it just gets worse and worse. I even stopped listening to sports radio and rarely look at the local papers anymore. Back when I lived away from here for a number of years I could almost root for the Giants, but that was also during the 90s when they weren't very good.
Of course it doesn't help that we share the city and stadium with them and can't get out of our own way for 50 years, that's obviously part of it, but it doesn't make the situation any better.
Post by: Tommy on December 22, 2016, 01:24:28 PM
The Giants already have the city, now they have our rivalry, too. Giants-Pats turned into way more of a rivalry than Jets-Pats, and that's salt in the wound as a Jets fan.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 22, 2016, 01:35:40 PM
I work with a lot of people from Boston, so really don't need to see them win again.
I understand this too, a lot of it is about where you're at and who you have to deal with.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 22, 2016, 05:05:04 PM
Post by: Badger on December 22, 2016, 07:46:13 PM
Where do you two go that you just hear about the Giants super bowl wins all the time?
WFAN
Post by: sg3 on December 22, 2016, 08:09:07 PM
I hate the Giants more than any team in any sport(tied w/ duke basketball). I will root for any team over the Giants whether it's preseason, reg season or postseason. That organization HATES the Jets, they are frauds portraying fake "class" and they bash the Jets at every opportunity. when they were going for their 2nd SB over NE they were tweeting about the Jets. I despise them as much as anyone could despise any team. On a side not I do happen to like some of their players- specifically Eli who is a very good guy but I despise that organization.
I hope any Jets fan that openly roots for a Patriots win in any shape or fashion dies a slow and agonizing death or gets brutally raped and then lit on fire, whichever is more painful.Here is your first brutal rape and worse victim. Miamipuck
Post by: nyjunc on December 23, 2016, 08:04:42 AM
Here is your first brutal rape and worse victim. Miamipuck
he is just projecting his fantasies on me.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 23, 2016, 08:11:02 AM
he is just projecting his fantasies on me.
You being lit on fire, yes.
Post by: Pope on December 23, 2016, 09:44:30 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 23, 2016, 10:47:13 AM
Anyone who wants to tell me who and what to root for can fight me irl
This.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 23, 2016, 11:39:12 AM
This.
Next tailgate I am dousing you with gasoline and lighting the match.
Post by: Italian Seafood on December 23, 2016, 03:27:41 PM
Next tailgate I am dousing you with gasoline and lighting the match.
Throw in a cigar and you got yourself a goddamn deal.
Post by: Miamipuck on December 23, 2016, 03:28:33 PM
Throw in a cigar and you got yourself a goddamn deal.
DONE
Post by: Heismanberg on December 23, 2016, 04:51:33 PM
You being lit on fire, yes.
hahahahaha
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That's a fake account brahOh excrement...my bad
I still want it to happen
Post by: dcm1602 on December 30, 2018, 08:52:01 PM
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article223738365.html
Post by: IATA on December 30, 2018, 08:54:49 PM
Post by: reuben on December 30, 2018, 08:55:05 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on December 30, 2018, 09:49:13 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 03, 2020, 09:04:38 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 03, 2020, 09:23:08 AM
https://twitter.com/getupespn/status/1246067165415051264?s=12
hahahahahahahaha
Post by: bojanglesman on April 03, 2020, 09:24:17 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 03, 2020, 09:33:57 AM
Wonder how long before someone calls it racist. I'm sure Jamele whatshername is on it already.
Her next article for The Athletic:
"Why Rex Ryan Would Never Call Adam Thielen a Turd"
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 03, 2020, 11:06:22 AM
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 03, 2020, 10:02:12 PM
Tough. Not going to candy coat it, we're done for this decade.
Wasn't wrong.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 03, 2020, 10:03:04 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181126/4a8e0c1fba149f7fd1487db3c8b21039.jpg)
That's a fake account brah
LOL
Post by: MBGreen on April 03, 2020, 10:59:09 PM
Rex sucks.Correct
Post by: bojanglesman on April 08, 2020, 03:21:57 PM
Rex Ryan to people who say Belichick would have been just as successful without Tom Brady. https://t.co/3LsYOQblIj
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 08, 2020, 03:26:13 PM
"Give him Geno Smith ... and let's see how many Super Bowls he would have won."https://twitter.com/GenoSmith3/status/1247976309638287367
Rex Ryan to people who say Belichick would have been just as successful without Tom Brady. https://t.co/3LsYOQblIj
@GenoSmith3
My momma never liked dude he been a snake.. and y’all glorify it.. should’ve got fired after yr1.. truth is we won 8 games after ESPN had us winning two and he got his job back.. somehow I’m caught up in a feud and I’m the scapegoat.. Same guy that drafted me
#TheBusiness
Post by: bojanglesman on April 08, 2020, 03:26:45 PM
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 08, 2020, 03:29:50 PM
https://twitter.com/GenoSmith3/status/1247976309638287367
@GenoSmith3
My momma never liked dude he been a snake.. and y’all glorify it.. should’ve got fired after yr1.. truth is we won 8 games after ESPN had us winning two and he got his job back.. somehow I’m caught up in a feud and I’m the scapegoat.. Same guy that drafted me
#TheBusiness
geno smith is truly a piece of excrement. 'somehow i get caught up in a feud'....he was given a starting QB spot and as a team leader, he wouldn't pay back another teammate $300 that he owed him, so he got snuffed.
'should've got fired after yr 1' after taking us to the AFCCG. he is another piece of excrement on this planet
Post by: Heismanberg on April 08, 2020, 03:35:46 PM
"Give him Geno Smith ... and let's see how many Super Bowls he would have won."
Rex Ryan to people who say Belichick would have been just as successful without Tom Brady. https://t.co/3LsYOQblIj
LMAO
Post by: Heismanberg on April 08, 2020, 03:37:00 PM
geno smith is truly a piece of excrement. 'somehow i get caught up in a feud'....he was given a starting QB spot and as a team leader, he wouldn't pay back another teammate $300 that he owed him, so he got snuffed.
'should've got fired after yr 1' after taking us to the AFCCG. he is another piece of excrement on this planet
Yeah, he got caught up in a feud with IK Enemkpali
Post by: reuben on April 08, 2020, 03:37:06 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 08, 2020, 03:56:01 PM
Post by: Johnny English on April 08, 2020, 04:00:56 PM
Six years here and his QBs were Sanchez and Geno. It's amazing our playoff drought doesn't date back to the Mangenius year with Chad at QB.
He wouldn't have had to have used Geno if he hadn't stupidly broken Sanchez. I will never not be convinced that both Rex and Sanchez wouldn't have had very different career arcs if that hadn't happened.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 08, 2020, 04:06:12 PM
He wouldn't have had to have used Geno if he hadn't stupidly broken Sanchez. I will never not be convinced that both Rex and Sanchez wouldn't have had very different career arcs if that hadn't happened.
That is arguably the worst coaching decision in franchise history
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 08, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
He wouldn't have had to have used Geno if he hadn't stupidly broken Sanchez. I will never not be convinced that both Rex and Sanchez wouldn't have had very different career arcs if that hadn't happened.
So Sanchez wasn't good but it was Rex's fault for "breaking him"?
That's like saying he didn't win the Indy 500 in a Plymouth Duster because of his driving.
Post by: Johnny English on April 08, 2020, 05:59:14 PM
So Sanchez wasn't good but it was Rex's fault for "breaking him"?
That's like saying he didn't win the Indy 500 in a Plymouth Duster because of his driving.
Where did you get me saying Sanchez wasn't good from? I have always been a Sanchez apologist. I believe we fucked him up in a number of ways, but if Rex hadn't put Sanchez back out there to get injured against the Giants, both of them would have lasted much longer in New York. They both had a lot of goodwill from the fanbase still which was well earned from the playoff runs, and another season of development from Sanchez could have seen them both back on an upward trajectory. The lost season for Sanchez was where excrement really fell apart for them both.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 09, 2020, 09:03:12 AM
Where did you get me saying Sanchez wasn't good from? I have always been a Sanchez apologist. I believe we fucked him up in a number of ways, but if Rex hadn't put Sanchez back out there to get injured against the Giants, both of them would have lasted much longer in New York. They both had a lot of goodwill from the fanbase still which was well earned from the playoff runs, and another season of development from Sanchez could have seen them both back on an upward trajectory. The lost season for Sanchez was where excrement really fell apart for them both.
With the way they were handling the rest of the roster in general, and the WRs and OLine specifically, I don't think it would have mattered for Sanchez or Rex. The entire offense was going down hill. It would have sunk them both just the same.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 09, 2020, 11:55:44 AM
Where did you get me saying Sanchez wasn't good from?
This:
I will never not be convinced that both Rex and Sanchez wouldn't have had very different career arcs if that hadn't happened.
Working past your double negative, you seem to be saying that Rex and Sanchez would have had the same basic careers (or "not different") had their paths not crossed or Sanchez not gotten injured. Sanchez never again became a starter in a league loaded with teams who desperately needed one, which indicates he was never that good. Somehow we won four road playoff games with him as a rookie and a second year player.
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I have always been a Sanchez apologist. I believe we fucked him up in a number of ways, but if Rex hadn't put Sanchez back out there to get injured against the Giants, both of them would have lasted much longer in New York. They both had a lot of goodwill from the fanbase still which was well earned from the playoff runs, and another season of development from Sanchez could have seen them both back on an upward trajectory. The lost season for Sanchez was where excrement really fell apart for them both.
Here you seem to be saying the opposite. It's possible, it would have depended on how Sanchez did that year as opposed to Geno as a rookie. I think Sanchez benefited from Rex having a good D and keeping us in games; conversely I think a better, more experienced QB at any time in Rex's tenure here would have made a big difference. Belichick was a defensive specialist with a losing record as a head coach until Brady went in. If we had Favre or a healthy Pennington to handle the offense we'd have been much better off.
For the record I was also a huge Sanchez apologist in his time here and was kind of surprised he never managed to start for the rest of his career on teams like Denver and the Bears. Dak beat him out as a rookie but he turned out to be a very good QB.
Post by: Johnny English on April 09, 2020, 12:22:20 PM
This:
Working past your double negative, you seem to be saying that Rex and Sanchez would have had the same basic careers (or "not different") had their paths not crossed or Sanchez not gotten injured. Sanchez never again became a starter in a league loaded with teams who desperately needed one, which indicates he was never that good. Somehow we won four road playoff games with him as a rookie and a second year player.
Here you seem to be saying the opposite. It's possible, it would have depended on how Sanchez did that year as opposed to Geno as a rookie. I think Sanchez benefited from Rex having a good D and keeping us in games; conversely I think a better, more experienced QB at any time in Rex's tenure here would have made a big difference. Belichick was a defensive specialist with a losing record as a head coach until Brady went in. If we had Favre or a healthy Pennington to handle the offense we'd have been much better off.
For the record I was also a huge Sanchez apologist in his time here and was kind of surprised he never managed to start for the rest of his career on teams like Denver and the Bears. Dak beat him out as a rookie but he turned out to be a very good QB.
Reading it back, there were an awful lot of negatives in that sentence. Anyway, my point was that if Sanchez hadn't gotten injured against the Giants in preseason 2013 things could have turned out very differently for both Rex and Mark. We went 8-8 with Geno Smith under center, I absolutely believe we pick up at least a couple more wins with Sanchez playing 16 games and if we had we'd have gone to the wildcard game, which in turn puts a completely different complexion on how Rex and Mark are treated the following offseason.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 09, 2020, 12:25:38 PM
Reading it back, there were an awful lot of negatives in that sentence. Anyway, my point was that if Sanchez hadn't gotten injured against the Giants in preseason 2013 things could have turned out very differently for both Rex and Mark. We went 8-8 with Geno Smith under center, I absolutely believe we pick up at least a couple more wins with Sanchez playing 16 games and if we had we'd have gone to the wildcard game, which in turn puts a completely different complexion on how Rex and Mark are treated the following offseason.
That's fair.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 09, 2020, 03:31:26 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 09, 2020, 03:42:21 PM
Sanchez
Santonio
Braylon
Idzik
Wrecks
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 09, 2020, 05:10:22 PM
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 09, 2020, 05:21:07 PM
This debate is going to haunt me for the rest of my life. Rex, Tannenbaum, and Idzik completely ruined the offense. Peyton Manning couldn’t have won here that excrement. Belichick with Brady couldn’t have performed any better with that roster. Sanchez ultimately never stood a chance. And he wasn’t that much of a prize, either.
The line deteriorated around Brick and Mangold, we couldn't afford to keep all the WRs, Holmes got paid and didn't live up to it. LT aged out, Sanchez never stepped up, he got exposed.
Post by: Pope on April 10, 2020, 04:09:44 PM
Post by: CatoTheElder on April 10, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
Willie Colon on the Sanchez injury because why TF not? (https://twitter.com/BarstoolBrkfast/status/1248612995887820800?s=09)
Post by: insanity on April 10, 2020, 11:05:55 PM
Willie Colon on the Sanchez injury because why TF not? (https://twitter.com/BarstoolBrkfast/status/1248612995887820800?s=09)Thank you. This will be my response anytime someone tries to tell me rex shouldnt have gotten fired.
I'm looking at you seafood
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 10, 2020, 11:18:04 PM
Thank you. This will be my response anytime someone tries to tell me rex shouldnt have gotten fired.
I'm looking at you seafood
Hindsight is 20/20, you play football you might get hurt. People now pretending 2013 could have been so great with Sanchez are a lot of the same ones defending the Revis trade when we had him signed for the season at $6 million. So were we trying to win or looking at the next off season? Can't be both.
And let's not pretend Sanchez was Peyton Manning. There was a QB competition that summer after Sanchez had a terrible season. Rex sent him out there to win the job and the game against a bunch of scrubs and move on to the season. Again, he never became a starter anywhere again. It's not like he had a Pennington injury and couldn't play, he just wasn't that good.
Post by: reuben on April 10, 2020, 11:39:51 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on April 10, 2020, 11:50:48 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2020, 11:57:28 PM
Hindsight is 20/20, you play football you might get hurt.
He was told that he wasn't going to play in the game and your favorite coach got upset about losing a preseason game...and changed his mind.
It's an awful coaching decision. One of the worst in franchise history. It cost them both their careers.
You do not play your starter in that situation, ever. There is no defense for it.
Willie Colon said they knew Mark Sanchez was their starter. Your entire argument about their being a competition is just part of this giant lie you keep telling yourself.
You're seriously going to excrement on Mark Sanchez for not being good anywhere else but you still defend Rex Ryan...who barely has a job at ESPN right now because ...he wasn't good anywhere else.
Post by: insanity on April 11, 2020, 12:11:25 AM
Hindsight is 20/20, you play football you might get hurt. People now pretending 2013 could have been so great with Sanchez are a lot of the same ones defending the Revis trade when we had him signed for the season at $6 million. So were we trying to win or looking at the next off season? Can't be both.Sanchez being good or bad has nothing to do with Rex having no self control to realize winning a preseason game is meaningless
And let's not pretend Sanchez was Peyton Manning. There was a QB competition that summer after Sanchez had a terrible season. Rex sent him out there to win the job and the game against a bunch of scrubs and move on to the season. Again, he never became a starter anywhere again. It's not like he had a Pennington injury and couldn't play, he just wasn't that good.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 11, 2020, 10:42:41 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 11, 2020, 10:53:27 AM
Yeah, a coach trying to win a game
Wins do not matter in the preseason
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 11, 2020, 11:06:37 AM
Wins do not matter in the preseason
I understand that, you're a coach, correct? Do you not use whatever situation you have to better your team and your players? A situation arose where he had a chance to give Sanchez what should be an easy assignment and be done with Idzik's sham QB competition. Your franchise QB who dressed for the game is more worried about what club he's going to and that's the coach's fault? In hindsight it was a terrible move but I've seen a million veteran QBs play late in pre season games against backups for various reasons. Brady always played the 4th pre season game which almost nobody does.
You guys have been defending the Revis trade for seven years now by telling me 2013 didn't matter, but now if we had Mark Sanchez we were a contender? The argument until now was we had to get something for Revis (we got nothing) at the expense of the 2013 season because we couldn't pay him (we ended up paying him anyway). So we needed Sanchez to have a chance but not Revis?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 11, 2020, 12:20:29 PM
I understand that, you're a coach, correct? Do you not use whatever situation you have to better your team and your players?
If we had a live contact scrimmage (which is essentially what preseason football is), then no, I would not put any of my starters in unfavorable situations.
When it comes to actual, meaningful football, I'll give you an example that was probably the best lesson I ever learned coaching:
In 2014, we had one of the strongest teams in the upper state of South Carolina. We had six Division One players on our defense and we were virtually unbeatable on that side of the ball: state leader in interceptions, state leader in sacks, etc.
Our last game of the regular season, we were up 45-0 in the fourth quarter against a two win team. In SC, you used to have an eight quarter rule, so JV players could play up on Fridays for extra depth. We had our JV kids playing by the second quarter...
My boss got pissed at a 14 year old JV running back for fumbling the ball (which led to a scoop and score) and put our backup tailback (and starting OLB) at RB for one play. We ran a simple inside zone play and he picked up a first down, but at the end of the play, a defender fell into his knee and that was that. He was pissed because we lost the shutout in a game that was over before it started.
We lost in the upper state championship (the state semi-final) by two touchdowns to a team we would've beat without that knucklehead's decision.
It's not being competitive. It's not motivational. It's careless. Rex Ryan was emotional all the time and it always got the best of him. Putting Mark Sanchez in with third stringers and training camp bodies was an awful decision. There is no argument.
That is a haunting coaching decision for me. That injury altered his life forever. His recruitment fell off, he ended up at a JUCO in Kansas where he rode the bench, came back home and now I check that local paper every Sunday to see if he's been shot or arrested.
It's very fair to say that Rex Ryan getting Mark Sanchez hurt ruined both of their careers, because it did.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 11, 2020, 02:54:14 PM
If we had a live contact scrimmage (which is essentially what preseason football is), then no, I would not put any of my starters in unfavorable situations.
When it comes to actual, meaningful football, I'll give you an example that was probably the best lesson I ever learned coaching:
In 2014, we had one of the strongest teams in the upper state of South Carolina. We had six Division One players on our defense and we were virtually unbeatable on that side of the ball: state leader in interceptions, state leader in sacks, etc.
Our last game of the regular season, we were up 45-0 in the fourth quarter against a two win team. In SC, you used to have an eight quarter rule, so JV players could play up on Fridays for extra depth. We had our JV kids playing by the second quarter...
My boss got pissed at a 14 year old JV running back for fumbling the ball (which led to a scoop and score) and put our backup tailback (and starting OLB) at RB for one play. We ran a simple inside zone play and he picked up a first down, but at the end of the play, a defender fell into his knee and that was that. He was pissed because we lost the shutout in a game that was over before it started.
We lost in the upper state championship (the state semi-final) by two touchdowns to a team we would've beat without that knucklehead's decision.
It's not being competitive. It's not motivational. It's careless. Rex Ryan was emotional all the time and it always got the best of him. Putting Mark Sanchez in with third stringers and training camp bodies was an awful decision. There is no argument.
That is a haunting coaching decision for me. That injury altered his life forever. His recruitment fell off, he ended up at a JUCO in Kansas where he rode the bench, came back home and now I check that local paper every Sunday to see if he's been shot or arrested.
It's very fair to say that Rex Ryan getting Mark Sanchez hurt ruined both of their careers, because it did.
Damn good story
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 11, 2020, 03:05:37 PM
If we had a live contact scrimmage (which is essentially what preseason football is), then no, I would not put any of my starters in unfavorable situations.
When it comes to actual, meaningful football, I'll give you an example that was probably the best lesson I ever learned coaching:
In 2014, we had one of the strongest teams in the upper state of South Carolina. We had six Division One players on our defense and we were virtually unbeatable on that side of the ball: state leader in interceptions, state leader in sacks, etc.
Our last game of the regular season, we were up 45-0 in the fourth quarter against a two win team. In SC, you used to have an eight quarter rule, so JV players could play up on Fridays for extra depth. We had our JV kids playing by the second quarter...
My boss got pissed at a 14 year old JV running back for fumbling the ball (which led to a scoop and score) and put our backup tailback (and starting OLB) at RB for one play. We ran a simple inside zone play and he picked up a first down, but at the end of the play, a defender fell into his knee and that was that. He was pissed because we lost the shutout in a game that was over before it started.
We lost in the upper state championship (the state semi-final) by two touchdowns to a team we would've beat without that knucklehead's decision.
It's not being competitive. It's not motivational. It's careless. Rex Ryan was emotional all the time and it always got the best of him. Putting Mark Sanchez in with third stringers and training camp bodies was an awful decision. There is no argument.
That is a haunting coaching decision for me. That injury altered his life forever. His recruitment fell off, he ended up at a JUCO in Kansas where he rode the bench, came back home and now I check that local paper every Sunday to see if he's been shot or arrested.
It's very fair to say that Rex Ryan getting Mark Sanchez hurt ruined both of their careers, because it did.
I get what you're saying, and I'm not saying it was a good decision, we all know it turned out terrible. But I do think it was more about ending the QB competition than winning the pre season game. Over time it's morphed into "crazy, emotional Rex wanted to win the Snoopy Bowl and got his QB hurt", but I don't think it was about that. It's easy for people here to get caught up in hindsight and hatred of Rex. To properly understand what was going on you have to look at the circumstances of the moment, what was known and what wasn't. Here's what we knew:
-Sanchez struggled badly at the end of 2012 and was benched for Greg McElroy
-Idzik took over as GM, drafted Geno in the 2nd round, and wanted an open competition for QB
-Geno started that game, the 3rd pre season game, typically the dress rehearsal for the season. He did terrible, threw 3 picks and stepped out of the end zone for an unintentional safety
-Sanchez had been very durable in 4 seasons as starter, missed one game due to a minor injury which was a coach's decision
When there was an opportunity at the end to go down the field against the backups and win the game, Rex wanted Sanchez to do it, put the QB issue to bed, skip the last pre season game and move on. Getting injured on one drive after not getting injured in four years obviously was not in the thought process. It was also a mistake to tell Sanchez he wasn't playing and then putting him in, but it's on Sanchez to not be mentally in on every rep considering he was supposed to step up, be a team leader, win his job back and be a franchise QB.
To say it cost us the season, we'd have to look at the 8 games we lost and figure out which ones might have been won with Sanchez at QB, assuming he also pulls out the Tampa Bay, Atlanta and New England games that Geno did manage to win at the end. It's a gigantic hypothetical. What is more certain is that our defense would have been tremendously better with Revis at CB instead of Milliner, or whoever we had playing for an injured/benched Milliner, especially with Rex as the coach.
Post by: MBGreen on April 11, 2020, 04:59:40 PM
Post by: guinness77 on April 11, 2020, 05:49:46 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 11, 2020, 06:01:50 PM
I’m ususlly with IS on most stuff because I’m sick of all the losing and bullshit too but there’s no way Sanchez should have been put in there. Someone already made the point that Sanchez’s psyche was already fucked but what other coach, EVER, has ever resorted to putting in their starting QB in the 2nd half of the 3rd preseason game?
With an OL that’s about to be on the street in 15 days?
Post by: reuben on April 11, 2020, 08:30:38 PM
what other coach, EVER, has ever resorted to putting in their starting QB in the 2nd half of the 3rd preseason game?
Todd Bowles had Josh McCown start the 4th preseason game in 2017. Josh got jacked up, Hackenberg came on for one play and then Josh went back in.
SCREAMING. at the TV.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 11, 2020, 08:55:07 PM
Our defense would have been a hell of a lot better if we had one of Williamson/Mosely last year, let alone both.
Obviously not the same as a QB, but still infuriating, but also not as bad
Post by: Miamipuck on April 11, 2020, 10:00:42 PM
I mean we could talk about Gase having Avery Williamson out there this past preseason.
Our defense would have been a hell of a lot better if we had one of Williamson/Mosely last year, let alone both.
Obviously not the same as a QB, but still infuriating, but also not as bad
I can't stand Gase but Williamson was ok with it he wanted extra reps. That said, Gase personally apologized. Not that it made things better but Williamson was on the radio all the time and it wasn't an issue.
Post by: Libero_2 on April 11, 2020, 10:28:46 PM
I can't stand Gase but Williamson was ok with it he wanted extra reps. That said, Gase personally apologized. Not that it made things better but Williamson was on the radio all the time and it wasn't an issue.
Of course Avery was alright with it. But part of being a good coach, and making the best decisions is protecting players from themselves. How many guys ask for reps in the preseason? I’d wager most do. Doesn’t mean being on the field is in their best interests.
It was in no way shape or form even comparable to the Rex/Sanchez decision, but it definitely wasn’t a good coaching decision.
I believe H told us a story a while back about guys that didn’t belong on the field (not good enough) flying around trying to make an impression, and took out a dude’s knee, got up and celebrated because he had no clue what he had done. That’s the type of guys out there in the preseason, not skilled enough, not ready, trying hard as hell to make any kind of impression they can. That’s when bad excrement can happen. In Williamson’s case it did.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 11, 2020, 11:24:45 PM
Of course Avery was alright with it. But part of being a good coach, and making the best decisions is protecting players from themselves. How many guys ask for reps in the preseason? I’d wager most do. Doesn’t mean being on the field is in their best interests.
It was in no way shape or form even comparable to the Rex/Sanchez decision, but it definitely wasn’t a good coaching decision.
I believe H told us a story a while back about guys that didn’t belong on the field (not good enough) flying around trying to make an impression, and took out a dude’s knee, got up and celebrated because he had no clue what he had done. That’s the type of guys out there in the preseason, not skilled enough, not ready, trying hard as hell to make any kind of impression they can. That’s when bad excrement can happen. In Williamson’s case it did.
Yes, I know about the type of player that's looking to make an impression.
He was in the second quarter, should he have been in? No. That said he was just there to get a few more reps, not win the snoopy bowl. The coach (Gase) owned it, huge difference.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 12, 2020, 01:48:29 AM
Yes, I know about the type of player that's looking to make an impression.Two things.
He was in the second quarter, should he have been in? No. That said he was just there to get a few more reps, not win the snoopy bowl. The coach (Gase) owned it, huge difference.
- Avery Williamson isn't a QB. QBs have different rules.
- Gase owned the mistake.
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 12, 2020, 02:23:03 AM
I’m ususlly with IS on most stuff because I’m sick of all the losing and bullshit too but there’s no way Sanchez should have been put in there. Someone already made the point that Sanchez’s psyche was already fucked but what other coach, EVER, has ever resorted to putting in their starting QB in the 2nd half of the 3rd preseason game?
I'm not defending putting him in, simply clarifying the circumstances around it. It wasn't about winning that game as much as getting Idzik off his back about the QB situation. Of course with hindsight it was a terrible move, and Geno's own performance in that game would have been enough.
Still, the Revis trade did much more harm to our 2013 season, Rex's career here and the franchise overall. It's not even close. He's the best player we've had in the past 15 years, Sanchez and Geno are both career backups outside their time here. Anyone who wants to jump up and down about the Sanchez thing can't possibly then try to defend the Revis trade, no way no how. And it isn't hindsight because I've been telling you guys this since the night they did it, it was plain to see.
Post by: Miamipuck on April 12, 2020, 04:16:03 AM
Two things.
- Avery Williamson isn't a QB. QBs have different rules.
- Gase owned the mistake.
Yeah I am no fan of Gase but I didn't criticize him here, he for sure owned it.
Post by: insanity on April 12, 2020, 05:57:30 AM
Two things.He was also in for a very particular reason. To get reps as the play caller with the headset. Something that would have been very valuable seeing as Mosely went down for the season
- Avery Williamson isn't a QB. QBs have different rules.
- Gase owned the mistake.
I'm guessing this was also planned and maybe bad judgement, instead of an unplanned decision based purely on emotion and ego
Either way it's a moot point.
Post by: guinness77 on April 12, 2020, 12:29:43 PM
I'm not defending putting him in, simply clarifying the circumstances around it. It wasn't about winning that game as much as getting Idzik off his back about the QB situation. Of course with hindsight it was a terrible move, and Geno's own performance in that game would have been enough.I never wanted Revis traded. I was kind of tired of his contract bullshit but Woody wanted him gone and he’s the owner.
Still, the Revis trade did much more harm to our 2013 season, Rex's career here and the franchise overall. It's not even close. He's the best player we've had in the past 15 years, Sanchez and Geno are both career backups outside their time here. Anyone who wants to jump up and down about the Sanchez thing can't possibly then try to defend the Revis trade, no way no how. And it isn't hindsight because I've been telling you guys this since the night they did it, it was plain to see.
Post by: dcm1602 on April 12, 2020, 02:00:16 PM
I never wanted Revis traded. I was kind of tired of his contract bullshit but Woody wanted him gone and he’s the owner.
Revis being mental plus his injury essentially forced us to trade him
Our only mistake was bringing him back
Post by: Italian Seafood on April 12, 2020, 06:05:36 PM
I never wanted Revis traded. I was kind of tired of his contract bullshit but Woody wanted him gone and he’s the owner.
Regardless who wanted it, the point is it was way more detrimental to the franchise than one shitty QB getting injured and causing us to play a shittier one.
Post by: bojanglesman on July 30, 2021, 08:59:08 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 03, 2021, 07:15:46 AM
This I'd give a shot.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 03, 2021, 10:04:00 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNPR/status/1433445816191098884?s=19
This I'd give a shot.
That could be good
Post by: bojanglesman on September 03, 2021, 10:09:42 AM
That could be goodI'd be happy just seeing them bullshit with no format.
Post by: CatoTheElder on September 03, 2021, 10:29:03 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 03, 2021, 10:34:56 AM
I could see this being mildly entertaining to horrifically stupid.Well, ESPN will probably freak it up. It should be on the dirty comedy channel on SiriusXM.
Post by: dcm1602 on September 03, 2021, 10:57:54 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 03, 2021, 11:21:45 AM
Get Mangold in on this as a regularThat would be awesome.
Post by: d sw0rdz on September 03, 2021, 11:00:32 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on October 12, 2021, 12:19:35 PM
https://www.nj.com/jets/2021/10/nfl-rumors-ex-jets-coach-trashes-patriots-peashooter-rookie-mac-jones.html
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“The Patriots won’t make the playoffs because they have a peashooter at quarterback. This team should’ve been beaten by the Houston Texans. ... When the ball travels down the field more than 15 yards [in the air], it’s bad news for this guy. He’s like Danny Wuerffel.”
Rex has always been good at nicknames that stick. Hopefully Peashooter Mac does
#hirerex
Post by: Badger on October 12, 2021, 01:35:50 PM
Post by: delavan on October 13, 2021, 04:36:36 PM
NJ.com: NFL rumors: Ex-Jets coach trashes Patriots’ ‘peashooter’ rookie Mac Jones.
https://www.nj.com/jets/2021/10/nfl-rumors-ex-jets-coach-trashes-patriots-peashooter-rookie-mac-jones.html
Rex has always been good at nicknames that stick. Hopefully Peashooter Mac does
#hirerex
I like Peashooter Jones
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 03, 2022, 09:11:05 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 03, 2022, 09:26:16 AM
Rex Ryan on Joe Judge, “This guy is really hard to like and you’re playing worse than any team in the league.”Rex is good at shitting on people.
Post by: MBGreen on January 03, 2022, 09:31:38 AM
Rex is good at shitting on people.Rex has a short memory
Post by: Jumbo on September 02, 2022, 01:00:07 PM
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2023, 11:26:44 AM
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Dov Kleiman
@NFL_DovKleiman
RUMORS: The #Broncos might be making a change on defense.
According to @PatMcAfeeShow
, who works on ESPN with Rex Ryan, says these are "Rumors" that Rex will soon take over as Defensive Coordinator for the #Broncos
Pat says this is stuff he's hearing from around the league, not ESPN.
Vance Joseph is currently Denver's DC. The defense has been really bad this season, although they're coming off their best game, slowing down Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs to under 20 points.
why would Rex hitch his wagon to this clown show?
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 16, 2023, 11:33:20 AM
why would Rex hitch his wagon to this clown show?
Because he wants to coach again and if it doesn't work out then he'll just have another job at ESPN waiting for him.
The real question would be why would Sean Payton want to fire his defensive coordinator just to bring in someone who hasn't coached for 7 years now? Answer: he sucks.
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2023, 11:44:23 AM
Because he wants to coach again and if it doesn't work out then he'll just have another job at ESPN waiting for him.
The real question would be why would Sean Payton want to fire his defensive coordinator just to bring in someone who hasn't coached for 7 years now? Answer: he sucks.
Rex could've had his pick of the litter for DC positions....this past offseason, and previous ones before that. He has gone on record saying he was only interested in HC gigs.
So if this rumor is true, it's a little eyebrow raising.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 16, 2023, 12:10:40 PM
Rex could've had his pick of the litter for DC positions....this past offseason, and previous ones before that.
Absolutely no one who wants to win wants Rex Ryan as their coordinator.
Post by: Derek Smalls on October 16, 2023, 02:01:48 PM
Rex could've had his pick of the litter for DC positions....this past offseason, and previous ones before that. He has gone on record saying he was only interested in HC gigs.According to whom? Rex?
So if this rumor is true, it's a little eyebrow raising.
I dont think any of us know for sure. Rex is a big personality. Most coaches probably aren't comfortable with that. Payton would be
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2023, 02:13:28 PM
According to whom? Rex?
I dont think any of us know for sure. Rex is a big personality. Most coaches probably aren't comfortable with that. Payton would be
According to the media. It's been discussed on NFLN in the past. And no, i'm not looking for it...feel free to if you're inclined.
Post by: CatoTheElder on October 16, 2023, 02:56:43 PM
According to the media. It's been discussed on NFLN in the past. And no, i'm not looking for it...feel free to if you're inclined.
Two questions:
1. What is the total memory capacity of our server?
2. How much of that do you plan on filling with your lies?
Post by: MBGreen on October 16, 2023, 03:17:27 PM
Two questions:
1. What is the total memory capacity of our server?
2. How much of that do you plan on filling with your lies?
1. Lots
2. It's time to face freak your lie detector
Post by: MBGreen on February 07, 2024, 09:27:36 AM
@JosinaAnderson
New: I'm told former #Jets and #Bills head coach Rex Ryan interviewed for the #Cowboys vacant defensive coordinator job, per sources.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 07, 2024, 09:28:25 AM
JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
New: I'm told former #Jets and #Bills head coach Rex Ryan interviewed for the #Cowboys vacant defensive coordinator job, per sources.
He should take a college job
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 07, 2024, 09:49:44 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2024, 10:03:29 AM
#BringBackRex
DC this year, HC for the Jets after the house clearing if Rodgers gets hurt again.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 07, 2024, 12:37:49 PM
DC this year, HC for the Jets after the house clearing if Rodgers gets hurt again.
I don't think Rex has it as a HC, but he's an elite DC.
But like Badger says, we've been no better since he was fired. Apart from Fitzmagic, and even that failed in the end, we've been nowhere close to Rex's success.
Post by: Johnny English on February 07, 2024, 12:40:32 PM
I don't think Rex has it as a HC, but he's an elite DC.
Is he? The last time he got his hands on a defense he dismantled a really good front 4 in Buffalo and derailed Super Mario's career, all because of his obsession with running a 3-4. He did a great job here because the personnel he inherited were really well suited to what he wanted to do, but it got progressively worse as he had more influence over personnel. I'm not convinced of his versatility.
Post by: AlioTheFool on February 07, 2024, 12:49:58 PM
Is he? The last time he got his hands on a defense he dismantled a really good front 4 in Buffalo and derailed Super Mario's career, all because of his obsession with running a 3-4. He did a great job here because the personnel he inherited were really well suited to what he wanted to do, but it got progressively worse as he had more influence over personnel. I'm not convinced of his versatility.
Maybe? He also has his history before us to back him up. Again, as a HC he's had more failure. Maybe he needs someone to have to answer to. Not everyone is cut out to be the boss.
Post by: bojanglesman on February 07, 2024, 01:02:27 PM
I don't think Rex has it as a HC, but he's an elite DC.
But like Badger says, we've been no better since he was fired. Apart from Fitzmagic, and even that failed in the end, we've been nowhere close to Rex's success.
To be fair, I was kidding. He's our Kaepernick, people always dig him up but it isn't happening.
Post by: CatoTheElder on February 07, 2024, 01:46:14 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on February 07, 2024, 09:51:30 PM