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New York Jets Football => ...And The Home Of The Jets => Topic started by: Tommy on December 29, 2014, 07:31:35 AM
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They're both gone. As per NY JETS
@nyjets: This morning Woody Johnson informed John Idzik and Rex Ryan that they will not be returning to the team in 2015.
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Yeah all over NFLN.
One of the female anchors commented on Geno passers-by rating "sending them out on top"
Eric Allen laughed at her and Terrell Davis had a look on his face like damn Geno is trash
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Yeah all over NFLN.
One of the female anchors commented on Geno passers-by rating "sending them out on top"
Eric Allen laughed at her and Terrell Davis had a look on his face like damn Geno is trash
None of the women they hire on that network have any freaking clue about football. But I'd bet they all look exceptional naked. So they have that going for them.
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Goodbye Rex, and GTFO Idzik.
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MB do you have that gif available of the guy dancing as he walks down the sidewalk?
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None of the women they hire on that network have any freaking clue about football. But I'd bet they all look exceptional naked. So they have that going for them.
The brunette with glasses is smokin
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Yeah all over NFLN.
One of the female anchors commented on Geno passers-by rating "sending them out on top"
Eric Allen laughed at her and Terrell Davis had a look on his face like damn Geno is trash
What exactly were they on top of is what I wanna know because it certainly wasn't the AFC east.
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Crap. Sounds like Dunbar is out.
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MB do you have that gif available of the guy dancing as he walks down the sidewalk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sl7Rn8CcHU
it's better with sound
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Wow so word is he's going to be a broadcaster if he doesn't get a HC gig
Lol man I'd love to hear him do games
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"hey uh Mike, is dere any chance da new GM rehires Rex as da coach? I'll hang up and listen."
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I hope Dunbar isn't gone but it sure looks that way
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ESPN should have Rex do a defensive version of Gruden's qb segment.
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Wow so word is he's going to be a broadcaster if he doesn't get a HC gig
Lol man I'd love to hear him do games
Our Head Coaches are so competent and in demand that when they leave they're immediately scooped up for new head-coaching opportunities. Except of course Herm who ended up in broadcasting shortly after and Mangini who went straight to the booth calling some college games. Let's not forget our GM who was so hot that he left the game all together to instead become an agent.
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Michael David Smith @MichaelDavSmith
On NFL Network @RapSheet said Woody Johnson feels that he got "duped into thinking Idzik had more football knowledge than he really had."
8:35 AM - 29 Dec 2014
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Our Head Coaches are so competent and in demand that when they leave they're immediately scooped up for new head-coaching opportunities. Except of course Herm who ended up in broadcasting shortly after and Mangini who went straight to the booth calling some college games. Let's not forget our GM who was so hot that he left the game all together to instead become an agent.
...both were HCs again immediately after leaving the Jets.
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Michael David Smith @MichaelDavSmith
On NFL Network @RapSheet said Woody Johnson feels that he got "duped into thinking Idzik had more football knowledge than he really had."
8:35 AM - 29 Dec 2014
Ron Wolf and Charlie Casserly should eliminate the "dupe factor" this time around.
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...both were HCs again immediately after leaving the Jets.
...Herm made the playoffs immediately after leaving the Jets
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Michael David Smith @MichaelDavSmith
On NFL Network @RapSheet said Woody Johnson feels that he got "duped into thinking Idzik had more football knowledge than he really had."
8:35 AM - 29 Dec 2014
Fast toward: "Woody feels he got duped that (new GM) had more knowledge of the cap than he had."
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Wait...is Bradway still employed?
i think that dude might be immortal.
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Michael David Smith @MichaelDavSmith
On NFL Network @RapSheet said Woody Johnson feels that he got "duped into thinking Idzik had more football knowledge than he really had."
8:35 AM - 29 Dec 2014
Rofl it's all making sense now
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Ron Wolf and Charlie Casserly should eliminate the "dupe factor" this time around.
This to the Nth power.
That whole story is actually a very welcome set of circumstances for a change
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This to the Nth power.
That whole story is actually a very welcome set of circumstances for a change
speaking of welcome....welcome back.
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Wait...is Bradway still employed?
i think that dude might be immortal.
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Wait...is Bradway still employed?
i think that dude might be immortal.
From his wikipedia
Terry Bradway comes from a long line of scouting. His great grandfather Colin Macleod scouted the most adaptive and fertile sheep in Scotland
The Macleod clan was forced to change their name upon relocating to the US to avoid a bloodthirsty Mario Van Peebles. Terry grew up in business and hid under the mo iker Terry Bradway for years and went on to become one of the longest tenured executives for the New York Jets.
He was quoted in 2011 as saying, "Wisconsin has an immortal amongst them, that Wilson can be one. But there can only be one"
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Dyer: Not surprisingly but I'm told that the #Jets purge also includes assistant coaches. Not surprising but...
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From his wikipedia
Terry Bradway comes from a long line of scouting. His great grandfather Colin Macleod scouted the most adaptive and fertile sheep in Scotland
The Macleod clan was forced to change their name upon relocating to the US to avoid a bloodthirsty Mario Van Peebles. Terry grew up in business and hid under the mo iker Terry Bradway for years and went on to become one of the longest tenured executives for the New York Jets.
He was quoted in 2011 as saying, "Wisconsin has an immortal amongst them, that Wilson can be one. But there can only be one"
I really need to get around to watching the Highlander.
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speaking of welcome....welcome back.
Much appreciated, sincerely. I figured blowing up this franchise is about as valid of a reason to end the sabbatical.
Goo
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Much appreciated, sincerely. I figured blowing up this franchise is about as valid of a reason to end the sabbatical.
Goo
Well that...and the fact i have Dream Warriors by Dokken playing on my computer.
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I really need to get around to watching the Highlander.
I dunno what's more important, finding a personnel oriented GM with the pull to bring in a well rounded HC, or the fact you haven't seen the Highlander.
As a connoisseur of the 80s it's right up your alley. Rock music, lightning, swords and decapitation.
Unfortunately, Dokken is absent from the soundtrack. At least I think lol
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Lol simultaneously making Dokken references. I love it
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"Ryan's defenses ranked 1st, 3rd, 5th, 8th, 11th and 6th in his six years at the helm."
but Rex's defense aren't good
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Bold prediction: our defense is even worse next year.
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"Ryan's defenses ranked 1st, 3rd, 5th, 8th, 11th and 6th in his six years at the helm."
but Rex's defense aren't good
where were his offenses ranked?
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Woody this AM
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Thanks for everything Rex. You tried to make a excrement roster win for years. Bye Idzik, you sucked.
Burn it down and clean house now Woody. No one should remain.
I read this morning that the last time the Jets fully cleaned house was in the 70s! (I think it said '77.) Enough with the holdovers.
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Also, the wildcat can finally die in a fire.
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Bold prediction: our defense is even worse next year.
Nah, they have the pieces in place to be an ascending unit for a couple years.
The team as a whole is going to be better next year, with or without Rex. It would take a special kind of incompetence to not improve on this season.
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where were his offenses ranked?
#1 in our hearts
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where were his offenses ranked?
His rushing offenses were always ranked pretty highly. he never had a legitimate QB during his 6 year tenure here, and the stats reflect that.
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#1 in our hearts
#FireHearts
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#FireHearts
#keephearts
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SportsNet New York @SNYtv 3m3 minutes ago
Woody Johnson news conference at 11AM LIVE on SNY #snyjets
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Crap. Sounds like Dunbar is out.
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Nobody is keeping their job on the coaching staff. I expect Dunbar will probably go with Rex to his next gig. I seriously doubt any Bob Suttons are on this staff and get held over between regime changes.
I love Dunbar, I also really like Anthony Lynn, but if we are blowing it up at the top, let the new guy hire all his own staff and see how it goes down.
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none of this matters until the scouting department is gutted. casserly/wolf have to recognize that our drafts have produced terrible results and the entire process has to be changed especially the people doing the scouting and selecting.
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Nah, they have the pieces in place to be an ascending unit for a couple years.
The team as a whole is going to be better next year, with or without Rex. It would take a special kind of incompetence to not improve on this season.
Fair point. But it could easily go wrong(er) if we don't bring in some OL guys and Brick and Nick continue to decline and we somehow stick with Geno.
That said with a halfway competent coach and QB we could easily jump up to 8 wins next year.
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 23s23 seconds ago
Idzik later confided to ppl he regretted his approach to presser. Unfortunately for him, no mulligan. Hasn't talked to media since. #nyj
That midseason presser was weird.
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#1 in our hearts
Iol
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 23s23 seconds ago
Idzik later confided to ppl he regretted his approach to presser. Unfortunately for him, no mulligan. Hasn't talked to media since. #nyj
That midseason presser was weird.
F him. He should regret his approach to everything.
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 23s23 seconds ago
Idzik later confided to ppl he regretted his approach to presser. Unfortunately for him, no mulligan. Hasn't talked to media since. #nyj
That midseason presser was weird.
Sure but that shouldn't have factored into his firing in any way. Dude fucked up in personnel acquisitions, and that's why his derriere is on the street.
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F him. He should regret his approach to everything.
hahaha...agreed.
But i will give him props for cleaning up our cap situation. We're sitting pretty for the offseason.
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hahaha...agreed.
But i will give him props for cleaning up our cap situation. We're sitting pretty for the offseason.
I actually completely disagree. The moves he made were either pre-installed by his predecessor (Sanchez/Holmes) or mandated by his new boss (Revis). The money he saved this year was the primary contributing factor to the ineptitude that resulted in a 4 win season.
Now that the house is cleaned, it'll be nice for the new staff to have so much money, but Idzik doesn't deserve a pat on the back for it.
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I actually completely disagree. The moves he made were either pre-installed by his predecessor (Sanchez/Holmes) or mandated by his new boss (Revis). The money he saved this year was the primary contributing factor to the ineptitude that resulted in a 4 win season.
Now that the house is cleaned, it'll be nice for the new staff to have so much money, but Idzik doesn't deserve a pat on the back for it.
No.
He deserves a pat on the back for cleaning up the cap. He deserves a kick in the junk for not spending it wisely.
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 23s23 seconds ago
Idzik later confided to ppl he regretted his approach to presser. Unfortunately for him, no mulligan. Hasn't talked to media since. #nyj
That midseason presser was weird.
What happened in that presser again?
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What happened in that presser again?
he rambled on about god knows what for about 20 mins, before taking questions from the media.
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No.
He deserves a pat on the back for cleaning up the cap. He deserves a kick in the junk for not spending it wisely.
I'm with Alio on this one. Tanny had those cuts pre-installed to get himself out of cap hell. When he got canned it was obvious moves for his post-seccesor to make. Hell the fanbase could have made those moves for Idzik, he didn't do a single thing that wasn't expected of him. His claim to fame is that he drafted a superstar with the #13 pick in the 2013 draft, which he traded a HOFer to acquire. Not exactly well done on his part.
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Rex is going to be the HC for the Bears next year.
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I'm with Alio on this one. Tanny had those cuts pre-installed to get himself out of cap hell. When he got canned it was obvious moves for his post-seccesor to make. Hell the fanbase could have made those moves for Idzik, he didn't do a single thing that wasn't expected of him. His claim to fame is that he drafted a superstar with the #13 pick in the 2013 draft, which he traded a HOFer to acquire. Not exactly well done on his part.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Idzik is a glorified accountant, the guy knows numbers. Unfortunately for us, that's all he knew....and i'm glad he's freaking gone.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. Idzik is a glorified accountant, the guy knows numbers. Unfortunately for us, that's all he knew....and i'm glad he's freaking gone.
It doesn't matter that he knew numbers. The path was still laid out for him. The guy didn't have to do anything but paint by numbers.
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In case anyone is interested
New York Jets @nyjets 32s32 seconds ago
Woody Johnson’s press conference is scheduled to start at 11AM and will stream live on http://nyjets.com .
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 23s23 seconds ago
Idzik later confided to ppl he regretted his approach to presser. Unfortunately for him, no mulligan. Hasn't talked to media since. #nyj
That midseason presser was weird.
Not that I care anymore but there was nothing he could have done to make everyone happy with that conference.
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none of this matters until the scouting department is gutted. casserly/wolf have to recognize that our drafts have produced terrible results and the entire process has to be changed especially the people doing the scouting and selecting.
Agreed. I think we've largely had the same scouting department since 2001 or maybe even 1997. Biggest change I can think of was losing Joey Clinkscales.
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It doesn't matter that he knew numbers. The path was still laid out for him. The guy didn't have to do anything but paint by numbers.
I don't think it was that simple. He had to deal with Revis's bullshit contract, and still managed to fleece Tampa Bay despite it.
His talent evaluation was obviously a huge weakness.
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I don't think it was that simple. He had to deal with Revis's bullshit contract, and still managed to fleece Tampa Bay despite it.
His talent evaluation was obviously a huge weakness.
We didn't fleece TB. They're the ones who gave him that idiotic contract then cut him a year later.
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We didn't fleece TB. They're the ones who gave him that idiotic contract then cut him a year later.
getting a 1st round pick for Revis knowing full well he was probably out the door anyway the following season...was a fleece.
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I'm with Alio on this one. Tanny had those cuts pre-installed to get himself out of cap hell. When he got canned it was obvious moves for his post-seccesor to make. Hell the fanbase could have made those moves for Idzik, he didn't do a single thing that wasn't expected of him. His claim to fame is that he drafted a superstar with the #13 pick in the 2013 draft, which he traded a HOFer to acquire. Not exactly well done on his part.
Exactly. He did nothing that a GM is responsible for. If you cancel out SRich by the fact that he also drafted Milliner to replace Revis, his entire contribution to the organization during his tenure was negative.
Rex is going to be the HC for the Bears next year.
Yup. I wouldn't be shocked if it happened this week.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Idzik is a glorified accountant, the guy knows numbers. Unfortunately for us, that's all he knew....and i'm glad he's freaking gone.
We don't have to agree to that. You knock people every chance you get for supporting a coach who did a very good job with a terrible roster. Idzik literally did nothing that wasn't handed to him. You can't deny Rex got the very best from the garbage personnel he was given. Anyone can easily dispute that Idzik did anything of value that was his own brainchild.
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Agreed. I think we've largely had the same scouting department since 2001 or maybe even 1997. Biggest change I can think of was losing Joey Clinkscales.
I still think it's completely impossible to overhaul the scouting staff at this point, it would have to wait until post-draft wouldn't it? I know when we overhauled it after the 2012 draft because Idzik felt he had to wait. The last time we actually changed GMs and didn't promote within (and want to keep the scouts) I wasn't even following the team closely so I don't know if we have ever done it that way (firing scouting staff when a new GM is hired less than 5 months to the draft), or if anyone has ever done it that way for that matter.
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I don't think it was that simple. He had to deal with Revis's bullshit contract, and still managed to fleece Tampa Bay despite it.
His talent evaluation was obviously a huge weakness.
The only way that situation would have gotten the Idzik Fleece Stamp is if he had signed Revis back this season.
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If I was Rex I'd avoid the hell out of Chicago. With Cutler as his QB it's got disaster written all over it.
If he's in the running for the Atlanta gig, that's where I would go. Then again who knows if Atlanta would even want him.
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We don't have to agree to that. You knock people every chance you get for supporting a coach who did a very good job with a terrible roster. Idzik literally did nothing that wasn't handed to him. You can't deny Rex got the very best from the garbage personnel he was given. Anyone can easily dispute that Idzik did anything of value that was his own brainchild.
You mean Rex didn't have a hand in who the Jets put on the roster? say it ain't so.
I'm not going to defend Idzik, because I can't stand him and he's gone now. But i think your opinion on how Idzik ran his operation is a little skewed.
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The only way that situation would have gotten the Idzik Fleece Stamp is if he had signed Revis back this season.
And he wasn't even willing to answer the phone when it rang.
Dumbass
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The only way that situation would have gotten the Idzik Fleece Stamp is if he had signed Revis back this season.
getting Sheldon Richardson in return was a nice consolation prize....especially if Revis would've walked and we got nothing.
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I still think it's completely impossible to overhaul the scouting staff at this point, it would have to wait until post-draft wouldn't it? I know when we overhauled it after the 2012 draft because Idzik felt he had to wait. The last time we actually changed GMs and didn't promote within (and want to keep the scouts) I wasn't even following the team closely so I don't know if we have ever done it that way (firing scouting staff when a new GM is hired less than 5 months to the draft), or if anyone has ever done it that way for that matter.
We haven't overhauled in decades. It's time.
I've said from the start that if Rex was fired it was time for a scorched earth approach. Everything must go. A new staff should be able to build the team they want without any prior influence affecting the decisions.
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I still think it's completely impossible to overhaul the scouting staff at this point, it would have to wait until post-draft wouldn't it? I know when we overhauled it after the 2012 draft because Idzik felt he had to wait. The last time we actually changed GMs and didn't promote within (and want to keep the scouts) I wasn't even following the team closely so I don't know if we have ever done it that way (firing scouting staff when a new GM is hired less than 5 months to the draft), or if anyone has ever done it that way for that matter.
Maybe we shouldn't be using Idzik as an example of what the right thing to do is.
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You mean Rex didn't have a hand in who the Jets put on the roster? say it ain't so.
I'm not going to defend Idzik, because I can't stand him and he's gone now. But i think your opinion on how Idzik ran his operation is a little skewed.
That's interesting. For the past few weeks all I've read is how paranoid Idzik was and how divisive he was inside closed doors. This morning I saw a tweet (Rappoport?) that flat out said Idzik refused to even consult with talented evaluation people he knows because he feared not getting credit if the decisions worked out.
Idzik was an utter failure. There is no excusing him, and I think you're the one with the skewed view.
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That's interesting. For the past few weeks all I've read is how paranoid Idzik was and how divisive he was inside closed doors. This morning I saw a tweet (Rappoport?) that flat out said Idzik refused to even consult with talented evaluation people he knows because he feared not getting credit if the decisions worked out.
Idzik was an utter failure. There is no excusing him, and I think you're the one with the skewed view.
I just told you i wasn't defending him. I said he cleaned up our cap....no more no less. Learn to read.
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I just told you i wasn't defending him. I said he cleaned up our cap....no more no less. Learn to read.
And I said he didn't. You credited him with cleaning our cap, which is only somewhat correct. The moves he made were all predetermined before his hiring, so he gets no credit there. The moves he didn't make left a ton of cap room for the next regime, but they severely damaged the organization in the meantime. It was a net negative.
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And I said he didn't. You credited him with cleaning our cap, which is only somewhat correct. The moves he made were all predetermined before his hiring, so he gets no credit there. The moves he didn't make left a ton of cap room for the next regime, but they severely damaged the organization in the meantime. It was a net negative.
That net negative should turn into a positive this offseason...can we agree on that?
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We haven't overhauled in decades. It's time.
I've said from the start that if Rex was fired it was time for a scorched earth approach. Everything must go. A new staff should be able to build the team they want without any prior influence affecting the decisions.
I agreed if Rex is out burn the entire thing to the ground and start over. But do teams do this with scouting staff I legitimately have no freaking clue if they do or not.
Maybe we shouldn't be using Idzik as an example of what the right thing to do is.
This is the best point so far in the scouting staff discussion.
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I agreed if Rex is out burn the entire thing to the ground and start over. But do teams do this with scouting staff I legitimately have no freaking clue if they do or not.
This is the best point so far in the scouting staff discussion.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 7m7 minutes ago
Lots of Qs about Bradway/scouting dept. My guess is that will b left up to the new GM and changes like that usually not made until May. #nyj
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Will be fascinating to see where both end up. I'll miss having Rex as coach, that's for sure, but I miss winning more.
What happened to Idzik is exactly why GM candidates didn't want this job 2 years ago. Idzik spent 2 years clearing cap space, hoping that by 2015, he would have a ton of cap space, a quarterback, and 2 draft classes of young talent. The draft picks didn't produce, and he couldn't find a QB in 2 years. So when it came time to fire the popular coach, it made sense to just make a total clean sweep. Taking a job with Rex's situation forced on you, and no quarterback and very little talent on the roster, made it difficult to win quickly, which was probably needed to keep this job long-term.
The funny thing is if the last 2 years were reversed (4-12, losing close games in 2013, and 8-8, winning close games in 2014), Idzik would still be here, and Rex would have already been gone.
I love Rex, but it was time for him to go. Idzik is collateral damage because he never put anything concrete on his resume to give a reason why he should stay. I don't believe Idzik necessarily deserved to be fired based on his resume, but it made sense to clean house. "Deserve ain't got nothin to do with it."
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Brian Costello @BrianCoz 7m7 minutes ago
Lots of Qs about Bradway/scouting dept. My guess is that will b left up to the new GM and changes like that usually not made until May. #nyj
Oh good, a chance to mess up one more draft for an inferior coach to come in and lose with.
Same old Jets, welcome to the Rich Kotite Era 2.0.
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Will be fascinating to see where both end up. I'll miss having Rex as coach, that's for sure, but I miss winning more.
What happened to Idzik is exactly why GM candidates didn't want this job 2 years ago. Idzik spent 2 years clearing cap space, hoping that by 2015, he would have a ton of cap space, a quarterback, and 2 draft classes of young talent. The draft picks didn't produce, and he couldn't find a QB in 2 years. So when it came time to fire the popular coach, it made sense to just make a total clean sweep. Taking a job with Rex's situation forced on you, and no quarterback and very little talent on the roster, made it difficult to win quickly, which was probably needed to keep this job long-term.
The funny thing is if the last 2 years were reversed (4-12, losing close games in 2013, and 8-8, winning close games in 2014), Idzik would still be here, and Rex would have already been gone.
I love Rex, but it was time for him to go. Idzik is collateral damage because he never put anything concrete on his resume to give a reason why he should stay. I don't believe Idzik necessarily deserved to be fired based on his resume, but it made sense to clean house. "Deserve ain't got nothin to do with it."
I don't think there was pressure to win quickly. I think there was pressure to show improvement and to demonstrate an ability to built a solid foundation in the draft. He whiffed on the draft, which was the most damning aspect of his tenure.
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That's interesting. For the past few weeks all I've read is how paranoid Idzik was and how divisive he was inside closed doors. This morning I saw a tweet (Rappoport?) that flat out said Idzik refused to even consult with talented evaluation people he knows because he feared not getting credit if the decisions worked out.
Idzik was an utter failure. There is no excusing him, and I think you're the one with the skewed view.
there is no freaking way Idzik actually did that is there? Who the freak cares about getting all the credit if it works? If it works you win and you will get a ton a credit. Boss man always gets credit when it works out, doesn't matter who you consulted.
If that excrement is even half-true his derriere should never get another FO job.
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Oh good, a chance to mess up one more draft for an inferior coach to come in and lose with.
Same old Jets, welcome to the Rich Kotite Era 2.0.
your transformation into a curmudgeon is now complete.
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Brian Costello @BrianCoz 7m7 minutes ago
Lots of Qs about Bradway/scouting dept. My guess is that will b left up to the new GM and changes like that usually not made until May. #nyj
Oh that's exactly what I thought. Although sounded like bringing in the drunk at GM, would alleviate that issue as he will tear up all of our scouting reports and do his own.
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That net negative should turn into a positive this offseason...can we agree on that?
I'll agree that it is certainly the hope. It's hard to not be a skeptic right now though.
there is no freaking way Idzik actually did that is there? Who the freak cares about getting all the credit if it works? If it works you win and you will get a ton a credit. Boss man always gets credit when it works out, doesn't matter who you consulted.
If that excrement is even half-true his derriere should never get another FO job.
Where there is smoke there is fire. There have been too many stories that point back to him being a dick and far too consumed with perception rather than getting the best job done.
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Will be fascinating to see where both end up. I'll miss having Rex as coach, that's for sure, but I miss winning more.
What happened to Idzik is exactly why GM candidates didn't want this job 2 years ago. Idzik spent 2 years clearing cap space, hoping that by 2015, he would have a ton of cap space, a quarterback, and 2 draft classes of young talent. The draft picks didn't produce, and he couldn't find a QB in 2 years. So when it came time to fire the popular coach, it made sense to just make a total clean sweep. Taking a job with Rex's situation forced on you, and no quarterback and very little talent on the roster, made it difficult to win quickly, which was probably needed to keep this job long-term.
And who's fault is it we still have no QB? Drafted Geno then passed on multiple better options in 2014.
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Brian Costello @BrianCoz 53s53 seconds ago
Woody says in retrospect it was a bad move to force Rex on Idzik. #nyj
Brian Costello @BrianCoz 20s20 seconds ago
Woody says next GM will be more of a personnel man than Idzik. #nyj
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your transformation into a curmudgeon is now complete.
Don't blame me, I didn't do this. Truth hurts. We're now the Raiders without a QB.
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Don't blame me, I didn't do this. Truth hurts. We're now the Raiders without a QB.
LOL
step back from the ledge.
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This presser from Woody basically gives me the impression rex and idzik were never on the same page
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I'll agree that it is certainly the hope. It's hard to not be a skeptic right now though.
Where there is smoke there is fire. There have been too many stories that point back to him being a dick and far too consumed with perception rather than getting the best job done.
Very true. At this point it could be entirely sour grapes but I guess I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's true.
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This presser from Woody basically gives me the impression rex and idzik were never on the same page
Woody is basically admitting he fucked up royally.
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Rappaport reporting jets will talk to the following 4 Potential GMs
Ryan Pace (Saints Scouting coordinator)
George Payton (Vikings)
Trent Kirshner (Seahawks)
Will Mcclay (Cowboys)
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Woody is basically admitting he fucked up royally.
I think keeping the coach and hiring a GM can work, but like Woody said, whomever the new GM is needs to be on the same page as the coach, and those two never were, from a personnell standpoint that was blatantly obvious.
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I'd prefer not to live in the past and talk about what could have been or what was. Exciting time to be a Jets fan. Plenty of cash, high draft pick. Now if we can just get that qb.......
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I like McClay
Cowboys fans are shitting bricks that we might steal him.
I'm willing to wager he's had a strong part in rebuilding their OL and giving Kiffin that capable Group of no names that are underrated on D
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Woody is basically admitting he fucked up royally.
I think he just regrets not hiring a guy withba strong scouting background. His attitudes seems like
I wanted rex to work, I hired the wrong GM, now blow it up lol
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Woody just blamed his relationship with Schwartz/Feinsod as the reason why he couldn't bring back Revis.
Seafood's head just exploded.
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Sidenote NFLN reporter rAndy moss looks like he's been tailgating in the Michigan parking lot lol
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Kimberley A. Martin @KMart_LI 8s8 seconds ago
Why did Woody think he couldnt get @Revis24 back? "That's just my experience, my experience with his agents. It wuld have been very hard."
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I'd prefer not to live in the past and talk about what could have been or what was. Exciting time to be a Jets fan. Plenty of cash, high draft pick. Now if we can just get that qb.......
If I wasn't 99% sure they're going to freak it up I'd agree.
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Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 29s30 seconds ago
Woody says he has "confidence" in Geno Smith. Seemed quite taken by Week 17 performance.
Rich Cimini @RichCimini 2m2 minutes ago
Woody Johnson: "I've got confidence in Geno." Thinks he can be a good QB. Likes improvement. #nyj
I suppose the Jets can cross 80% of their HC candidates off their wishlist now.
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And who's fault is it we still have no QB? Drafted Geno then passed on multiple better options in 2014.
I moved the bulk of my old rebuttal to the "Smunt" thread since I felt it better fit a QB discussion, but any better QB options available would not have been much better than what we ended up with. Not to mention,, he did sign Vick.
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Bold prediction: our defense is even worse next year.
I don't know
Having Milliner and McDougle healthy, plus some free agent corners. And Pryor being put in a better position with some experience (and a full offseason). So it's within the realm of possibilities that our defense is better
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 10s10 seconds ago
Idzik did not address team, according to D'Brickashaw Ferguson. #nyj
GTFO
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The new GM might just go on a spending spree this offseason.
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The new GM might just go on a spending spree this offseason.
A happy medium would be ideal.
Going from one extreme (hording) to the other (blowing your load) wouldn't be good in the long term.
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I don't know
Having Milliner and McDougle healthy, plus some free agent corners. And Pryor being put in a better position with some experience (and a full offseason). So it's within the realm of possibilities that our defense is better
Two guys with a combined two good games under their belts. Can't wait for that.
The team is going to be terrible for another 4-5 years now. The best we can hope for is the next upheaval coincides with the retirement of Brady and Belichick, so we will then be on somewhat equal footing. Until then it's the early/mid 90s over again.
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I don't know
Having Milliner and McDougle healthy, plus some free agent corners. And Pryor being put in a better position with some experience (and a full offseason). So it's within the realm of possibilities that our defense is better
that sounds ok on paper, but in what reality are milliner and McDougle just automatically healthy? Sounds like idziks plan last year.
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Wow so word is he's going to be a broadcaster if he doesn't get a HC gig
Lol man I'd love to hear him do games
Hey Welcome back.........we're all assholes here but you know that.
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Two guys with a combined two good games under their belts. Can't wait for that.
The team is going to be terrible for another 4-5 years now. The best we can hope for is the next upheaval coincides with the retirement of Brady and Belichick, so we will then be on somewhat equal footing. Until then it's the early/mid 90s over again.
Tone down the rays of sunshine, you're going to give us all skin cancer.
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that sounds ok on paper, but in what reality are milliner and McDougle just automatically healthy? Sounds like idziks plan last year.
In one in which injuries heal with time and treatment.
Milliner didn't get his leg amputated or anything right?
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Tone down the rays of sunshine, you're going to give us all skin cancer.
Sorry to be the realist in the room. He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it.
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Sorry to be the realist in the room. He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it.
Change was required, IS. I understand that you don't agree with the direction this team is going in, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision.
Of course there's going to be skeptcism. I'm optimistic Woody brought in the right people this time to help him. We'll see.
Woody said it himself during his presser. He wants to hire a HC that will be involved in all 3 phases of the game with attention to detail. We weren't getting that with Rex.
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Change was required, IS. I understand that you don't agree with the direction this team is going in, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision.
Of course there's going to be skeptcism. I'm optimistic Woody brought in the right people this time to help him. We'll see.
I'm thrilled to be rid of Idzik, don't get me wrong, but Rex was the only thing saving us from true disaster. I know we can point to the record this year all you want, but I've seen much much worse in terms of the team on the field. But you don't have to take my word for it, you will see it now going forward.
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A happy medium would be ideal.
Going from one extreme (hording) to the other (blowing your load) wouldn't be good in the long term.
Depends on how it's spent (as always). But we need to bring in some top players, that will require funding. The good news is we only have 2 guys worth paying big money too on our roster in the next 3 years, Snacks this year, Mo after next year (when his extension would kick in) and then Sheldon after his 5th year option in 2017.
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Sorry to be the realist in the room. He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it.
Hahahah getting rid of a GM that can't draft and made horrid personnel decisions and a coach whose offense was pretty offensive in basically 4 of his 6 years here is going to set the team back 4-5 years? GTFO
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A happy medium would be ideal.
Going from one extreme (hording) to the other (blowing your load) wouldn't be good in the long term.
Well, the Jets have a ton of money to spend, and they have to spend a good chunk of it. But after hearing Woody say, "We probably should have spent more," I could easily see a new GM making some splashy moves.
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Hahahah getting rid of a GM that can't draft and made horrid personnel decisions and a coach whose offense was pretty offensive in basically 4 of his 6 years here is going to set the team back 4-5 years? GTFO
Bank on it. Our next sniff of a Wild Card will be about five years from now, if we're lucky.
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I'm thrilled to be rid of Idzik, don't get me wrong, but Rex was the only thing saving us from true disaster. I know we can point to the record this year all you want, but I've seen much much worse in terms of the team on the field. But you don't have to take my word for it, you will see it now going forward.
I don't disagree with you. But given that we were at absolute best treading water, we had to blow it up. If it fails in 2 years we will be 2-14 and in position to draft a legit QB. If it works and we climb out of irrelevance and into mediocrity or better, then it's an improvement.
I love Rex and would have loved him to stay, but since it's over, might as well be positive until we at least have a reason to not be positive.
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Well, the Jets have a ton of money to spend, and they have to spend a good chunk of it. But after hearing Woody say, "We probably should have spent more," I could easily see a new GM making some splashy moves.
Sounds good to me.
Couple that with some excellent drafting (something we were promised, and never received), and we'll be in good shape.
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I don't disagree with you. But given that we were at absolute best treading water, we had to blow it up. If it fails in 2 years we will be 2-14 and in position to draft a legit QB. If it works and we climb out of irrelevance and into mediocrity or better, then it's an improvement.
I love Rex and would have loved him to stay, but since it's over, might as well be positive until we at least have a reason to not be positive.
Like I said, our only hope against Brady was Rex and a great D, we've seen that work. We're going to be treading water now until those guys are done up there. Hopefully in that time we can 2-14 our way into a franchise QB because firing everyone in the tri-state area isn't going to bring us a QB for next season. With Rex you could settle for an average (not 32nd ranked) QB and still have a chance, now we can't.
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Like I said, our only hope against Brady was Rex and a great D, we've seen that work. We're going to be treading water now until those guys are done up there. Hopefully in that time we can 2-14 our way into a franchise QB because firing everyone in the tri-state area isn't going to bring us a QB for next season. With Rex you could settle for an average (not 32nd ranked) QB and still have a chance, now we can't.
And a new coach/d-coord can't possibly do anything to Brady with a similar gameplan? Or even with a different gameplan? Most of the good personnel on the defense isn't going anywhere
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I think the scariest thing to come out of Woody's presser was his rather big endorsement of Geno. Yesterday may have done more than hurt our draft position. I'll never be sad about a win, but if it means Geno gets an extended shelf life it's a big loss.
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I think the scariest thing to come out of Woody's presser was his rather big endorsement of Geno. Yesterday may have done more than hurt our draft position. I'll never be sad about a win, but if it means Geno gets an extended shelf life it's a big loss.
Not sure what he was supposed to say. You can't tear down Geno, he'll be on the team next year.
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And a new coach/d-coord can't possibly do anything to Brady with a similar gameplan? Or even with a different gameplan? Most of the good personnel on the defense isn't going anywhere
Not many other teams have. Maybe we can get our WRs to practice pinning the ball to their heads, that seems to be the other way to beat them.
I mean Brady is 37, so let this new regime run it's course and when he's 42 we're ready to roll. I should hopefully live that long, been working out.
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I think the scariest thing to come out of Woody's presser was his rather big endorsement of Geno. Yesterday may have done more than hurt our draft position. I'll never be sad about a win, but if it means Geno gets an extended shelf life it's a big loss.
Yeah, i didn't appreciate that either...but really, what's Woody supposed to say. I didn't expect him to trash Geno to the media.
I'll wait and see what the new GM and HC will do with Geno. Pope alluded to this earlier...at best, Geno could be a cheap backup next season.
EDIT: Damn it, Mack.
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Bank on it. Our next sniff of a Wild Card will be about five years from now, if we're lucky.
I like the new pessimistic IS, it took a lot longer but the Jets have finally done to you what they have done to us many many years ago. Only you're in the anger stage, we're all in the who gives a freak stage.
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini 10s10 seconds ago
Idzik did not address team, according to D'Brickashaw Ferguson. #nyj
GTFO
what a excrement head
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Breaking news one of the stipulations of the new GM taking the job is keeping Geno.
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Like I said, our only hope against Brady was Rex and a great D, we've seen that work. We're going to be treading water now until those guys are done up there. Hopefully in that time we can 2-14 our way into a franchise QB because firing everyone in the tri-state area isn't going to bring us a QB for next season. With Rex you could settle for an average (not 32nd ranked) QB and still have a chance, now we can't.
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And a new coach/d-coord can't possibly do anything to Brady with a similar gameplan? Or even with a different gameplan? Most of the good personnel on the defense isn't going anywhere
no one can almost beat Brady like Rex
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Breaking news one of the stipulations of the new GM taking the job is keeping Geno.
freak you liar!
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I like the new pessimistic IS, it took a lot longer but the Jets have finally done to you what they have done to us many many years ago. Only you're in the anger stage, we're all in the who gives a freak stage.
If it wasn't just so freaking obvious I wouldn't be so irritated. The players, the fans, the media, the owners, the opponents, everyone agrees Rex is a good coach, gets the most out of his players and will be successful with better players. So fire him.
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If it wasn't just so freaking obvious I wouldn't be so irritated. The players, the fans, the media, the owners, the opponents, everyone agrees Rex is a good coach, gets the most out of his players and will be successful with better players. So fire him.
He's a good defensive coach
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If it wasn't just so freaking obvious I wouldn't be so irritated. The players, the fans, the media, the owners, the opponents, everyone agrees Rex is a good coach, gets the most out of his players and will be successful with better players. So fire him.
He's a great DC. The end.
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freak you liar!
No it's true the only people willing to talk about the GM position are Mike Tannenbaum and Incarcerated Bob.
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Won a lot of games as a head coach before we started getting bottom of the league QB play.
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Rappaport reporting we have reached out to Payton in Minnesota for an interview already.
NFLN keeps saying he is well respected as a talent evaluator, but the vikings have been terrible for a long time and a lot of that is due to poor drafting and talent acquisition.
Anybody got any insight on this guy?
I'd rather the drunk myself, but what do I know?
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Won a lot of games as a head coach before we started getting bottom of the league QB play.
Don't forget that wild cat, Rex was the master of it's use.
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Don't forget that wild cat, Rex was the master of it's use.
A lot of that is not having a competent QB. That's where the "ground and pound" came from too. You have to try to win with Sanchez and Geno you have to be creative.
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no one can almost beat Brady like Rex
pepsi just shot out my nose.
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A lot of that is not having a competent QB. That's where the "ground and pound" came from too. You have to try to win with Sanchez and Geno you have to be creative.
Is that why our offense sucked for years now? no creativity?
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Evan Silva (of all people) just made a good point.
"I think John Idzik made a lot of good-process moves that had bad results. GM evaluated entirely from results standpoint. So he failed."
The new GM will inherit a much better situation than Idzik inherited, so in that sense, he didn't do a bad job. But it was a combination of bad results, bad timing, and a lack of things to point to on a resume that prove why he deserved to stay.
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Is that why our offense sucked for years now? no creativity?
You still need someone on the field who can make a play to get you 7 points instead of 3.
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Idzik had a good plan, he just sucked at implementing it. Peace out Eyedzique
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Evan Silva (of all people) just made a good point.
"I think John Idzik made a lot of good-process moves that had bad results. GM evaluated entirely from results standpoint. So he failed."
The new GM will inherit a much better situation than Idzik inherited, so in that sense, he didn't do a bad job. But it was a combination of bad results, bad timing, and a lack of things to point to on a resume that prove why he deserved to stay.
I think that's completely incorrect.
All of the secondary guys he chose not to sign had at least a decent year. He had 12 picks in the deepest WR draft in years (possibly history) and didn't acquire a single contributor, despite it clearly being a position of dire need.
He didn't fail from a results standpoint. He failed at the most fundamental levels of his job. The only things he did "right" were things dictated by actions taken before he even got the job.
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You still need someone on the field who can make a play to get you 7 points instead of 3.
You need someone on the field who doesn't take a sack to put you just at the edge of your kicker's range, resulting in not even getting those 3 points.
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You need someone on the field who doesn't take a sack to put you just at the edge of your kicker's range, resulting in not even getting those 3 points.
the wildcat baby
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What kind of GM could we have gotten trying to keep Rex again? I think we all agree Idzik needed to go.
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the wildcat baby
Look, you'll never see me defend that absolute trash, but Geno on multiple occasions, in just the last two weeks no less, took a sack that put us just out of Folk's reach that day. The play at QB is what ruined Rex here.
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Look, you'll never see me defend that absolute trash, but Geno on multiple occasions, in just the last two weeks no less, took a sack that put us just out of Folk's reach that day. The play at QB is what ruined Rex here.
They should have ran the wildcat on those plays...............
Hahaha, I can't, I am just freaking with you.
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Sent: Dec 29, 2014 12:00p
Geno said he saw John Idzik today + they wished each other the best. Smith said Idzik has always believed in him + he believed in his GM
I hate Geno.
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I hate Geno.
Of course Idzik believed in him, the dumbfucks job depended on it. If Geno wS even serviceable we win 6 more games in the past 2 seasons and nobody is out of a job today.
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You need someone on the field who doesn't take a sack to put you just at the edge of your kicker's range, resulting in not even getting those 3 points.
That too.
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In somewhat related news, thanks to the Revis comments Woody made during the press conference, the Patriots will probably file tampering charges. Nice move Wood.
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In somewhat related news, thanks to the Revis comments Woody made during the press conference, the Patriots will probably file tampering charges. Nice move Wood.
Huh? He just said his agents are intolerable cunts, well in a nicer way.
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Huh? He just said his agents are intolerable cunts, well in a nicer way.
And that he'd love to have Revis back.
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In somewhat related news, thanks to the Revis comments Woody made during the press conference, the Patriots will probably file tampering charges. Nice move Wood.
Anybody know what the penalty is for this typically? Just a fine?
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And that he'd love to have Revis back.
Tampon charges.
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And that he'd love to have Revis back.
Context. He was asked if he told Idzik not to bring him back, and he said no, he would love to have him back. Last year when he was a free agent.
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Sorry to be the realist in the room. He who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it.
Being "99% sure" the team is going to freak up the rebuild and suck for 5 years is not called being a realist. It's called being Champ.
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Context. He was asked if he told Idzik not to bring him back, and he said no, he would love to have him back. Last year when he was a free agent.
I think it was pretty blatant.
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Being "99% sure" the team is going to freak up the rebuild and suck for 5 years is not called being a realist. It's called being Champ.
It's been 5 hrs since RR left the NYJs w/o a SB.
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It's been 5 hrs since RR left the NYJs HC w/o a SB.
Pretty much yeah and fixed.
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The other reason you can't bring Rex back: no good coaches would come under him. Any available coach would realize that Rex was essentially year-to-year, and no coach wants to join that situation if he has better options. So you basically need to go all in on Rex, or you need to go in a different direction.
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Being "99% sure" the team is going to freak up the rebuild and suck for 5 years is not called being a realist. It's called being Champ.
And seeing the same process play out over and over for 40 years. It's hardly a surprise but I was hoping Woody might have a Costanza moment and do the opposite of what his gut told him, but no luck.
The Giants are bringing Coughlin back. He's missed the playoffs three straight years, six of the last seven, and the year they won the Super Bowl they were 9-7. Guess which team will be back in the playoffs first.
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The Giants are bringing Coughlin back. He's missed the playoffs three straight years, six of the last seven, and the year they won the Super Bowl they were 9-7. Guess which team will be back in the playoffs first.
This comparison makes absolutely no sense.
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It's been 5 hrs since RR left the NYJs w/o a SB.
This post and the one IJR made in his quote had me dying
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This comparison makes absolutely no sense.
Makes complete sense. Except Coughlin is like 80 years old.
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Makes complete sense. Except Coughlin is like 80 years old.
Tom Coughlin has won two Super Bowls with the Giants. It makes no sense to make that comparison.
He should be able to retire as the coach in the New York Giants.
Rex Ryan hasn't had a winning season since 2010. He has no championships.
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And seeing the same process play out over and over for 40 years. It's hardly a surprise but I was hoping Woody might have a Costanza moment and do the opposite of what his gut told him, but no luck.
The Giants are bringing Coughlin back. He's missed the playoffs three straight years, six of the last seven, and the year they won the Super Bowl they were 9-7. Guess which team will be back in the playoffs first.
Well considering they have an offense on the rise and perhaps the best young WR in football who has done two things in his first 12 games no one has ever done (most receiving yards, and most consecutive 90 yard receiving games at 9 (tied with Michael Irvin)) if they can get their OL and LB corps figured out, they will be back in the mix next year. And we need a QB an OL, an entirely new secondary and 3 out of 4 LBs, I'd say it was a shoo-in for the Giants regardless of coaching changes or non-changes.
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Makes complete sense. Except Coughlin is like 80 years old.
If Rex had won 2 Super Bowls, he could stay till he had adult diapers on.
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Well considering they have an offense on the rise and perhaps the best young WR in football who has done two things in his first 12 games no one has ever done (most receiving yards, and most consecutive 90 yard receiving games at 9 (tied with Michael Irvin)) if they can get their OL and LB corps figured out, they will be back in the mix next year. And we need a QB an OL, an entirely new secondary and 3 out of 4 LBs, I'd say it was a shoo-in for the Giants regardless of coaching changes or non-changes.
Yeah, it's amazing what good players can do. I hate the Giants but they are a winning organization because they don't manage their team by reading the back cover of the Post.
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I think it was pretty blatant.
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There is no doubt that he said it. I took the context as in the time he was available, not moving forward.
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Yeah, it's amazing what good players can do. I hate the Giants but they are a winning organization because they don't manage their team by reading the back cover of the Post.
Seriously, Woody has made 3 coaching changes in 15 years and just as many GM changes that's hardly the turnover you get from " Reading the back cover of the Post"
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This has been a long time coming. Sad to see Rex go, but had to happen. Thank GOD that Idzik is gone!
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Seriously, Woody has made 3 coaching changes in 15 years and just as many GM changes that's hardly the turnover you get from " Reading the back cover of the Post"
If he read the back of the Post, the Jets would be the Raiders East.
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I understand why IS is annoyed. A good, not great coach was stripped of talent on his roster and the wins reflected that. The new GM was a kotite-esque hire that ultimately got him fired.
The Jets are going to go one of two ways - they're going to find a FO/CS who can equally attend to the offense and the defense, and manage the clock and challenges correctly. They'll find someone who can develop the offense and keep the defensive talent intact as well as find non car salesman for DBs. The team will only be missing a QB, which is then the great combination of timing, luck, and skill to find a great QB in the draft. They'll find this QB, and be a perennial contender.
Or, they'll find a FO/CS who won't be capable of doing the above. The team will have more years of 4-7 wins, and we start the dance over again.
If they get the right pieces in place, there is plenty of cap room to get the OL and DBs some help to make this team not suck. It'll be a mediocre team, but they'll be closer to getting better. Only removing Geno Smith and finding a good QB somewhere on this planet is the next step after drafting well and filling in the need positions with better talent.
Milliner and McDougal return next season. If they can both stay on the field, the secondary gets better than the off-the-street guys they have now. If Pryor gets better and is utilized correctly, the safety position is improved. If Harris' replacement is better than he is, the LBs can cover people. If Colon is replaced with better talent, and Aboushi either becomes a good starter or the new FO wants a proven guy, the OL can protect the good run game the Jets have and give time for the new QB to find an open man. Finding a real #1 WR and having Decker as a #2 would make the WR corp good enough to compete against other teams. The RBs are fine outside of finding a compliment to Ivory.
Then it comes down to who is behind Nick Mangold....
It seems so simple, but it's not.
Let's see which direction the Jets head towards.
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I understand why IS is annoyed. A good, not great coach was stripped of talent on his roster and the wins reflected that. The new GM was a kotite-esque hire that ultimately got him fired.
The Jets are going to go one of two ways - they're going to find a FO/CS who can equally attend to the offense and the defense, and manage the clock and challenges correctly. They'll find someone who can develop the offense and keep the defensive talent intact as well as find non car salesman for DBs. The team will only be missing a QB, which is then the great combination of timing, luck, and skill to find a great QB in the draft. They'll find this QB, and be a perennial contender.
Or, they'll find a FO/CS who won't be capable of doing the above. The team will have more years of 4-7 wins, and we start the dance over again.
If they get the right pieces in place, there is plenty of cap room to get the OL and DBs some help to make this team not suck. It'll be a mediocre team, but they'll be closer to getting better. Only removing Geno Smith and finding a good QB somewhere on this planet is the next step after drafting well and filling in the need positions with better talent.
Milliner and McDougal return next season. If they can both stay on the field, the secondary gets better than the off-the-street guys they have now. If Pryor gets better and is utilized correctly, the safety position is improved. If Harris' replacement is better than he is, the LBs can cover people. If Colon is replaced with better talent, and Aboushi either becomes a good starter or the new FO wants a proven guy, the OL can protect the good run game the Jets have and give time for the new QB to find an open man. Finding a real #1 WR and having Decker as a #2 would make the WR corp good enough to compete against other teams. The RBs are fine outside of finding a compliment to Ivory.
Then it comes down to who is behind Nick Mangold....
It seems so simple, but it's not.
Let's see which direction the Jets head towards.
So basically...give the next coach a completely revamped roster that can actually play the sport and he stands a reasonable shot at success.
This is why IS (and I) think it wasn't necessarily the right thing to do to fire Rex. If you did the above for Rex, he'd probably win too. We know for sure that his players would give every last drop in the tank for him.
I've resigned to the idea that it was time to part ways but I still don't think it was the best move.
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I understand why IS is annoyed. A good, not great coach was stripped of talent on his roster and the wins reflected that. The new GM was a kotite-esque hire that ultimately got him fired.
The Jets are going to go one of two ways - they're going to find a FO/CS who can equally attend to the offense and the defense, and manage the clock and challenges correctly. They'll find someone who can develop the offense and keep the defensive talent intact as well as find non car salesman for DBs. The team will only be missing a QB, which is then the great combination of timing, luck, and skill to find a great QB in the draft. They'll find this QB, and be a perennial contender.
Or, they'll find a FO/CS who won't be capable of doing the above. The team will have more years of 4-7 wins, and we start the dance over again.
If they get the right pieces in place, there is plenty of cap room to get the OL and DBs some help to make this team not suck. It'll be a mediocre team, but they'll be closer to getting better. Only removing Geno Smith and finding a good QB somewhere on this planet is the next step after drafting well and filling in the need positions with better talent.
Milliner and McDougal return next season. If they can both stay on the field, the secondary gets better than the off-the-street guys they have now. If Pryor gets better and is utilized correctly, the safety position is improved. If Harris' replacement is better than he is, the LBs can cover people. If Colon is replaced with better talent, and Aboushi either becomes a good starter or the new FO wants a proven guy, the OL can protect the good run game the Jets have and give time for the new QB to find an open man. Finding a real #1 WR and having Decker as a #2 would make the WR corp good enough to compete against other teams. The RBs are fine outside of finding a compliment to Ivory.
Then it comes down to who is behind Nick Mangold....
It seems so simple, but it's not.
Let's see which direction the Jets head towards.
We all know this to be the case. Idzik got Rex fired by giving him bullshit to work with, but the only way keeping Rex was going to work was to give him a 3-4 year extension and publically say "we want you to lead us through the rebuild" so that he could bring in quality coaches and general manager candidates. No one would have believed that in New York, so the house had to be cleaned.
The first step in deciding whether we are about to move forwards positively or negatively is in our first hire (which I assume will be a GM). I'm not really sure why we seem to be so hot for Paton from the Vikings, given they hated sucked for some time, but I would think hiring the guy who was on the watch while you drafted Christian Ponder would not fill me we confidence.
Full disclosure, I won't know how long Patons been in Minny, but apparently he's been there for "years" which I would assume is long enough to be around for the Ponder pick.
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We all know this to be the case. Idzik got Rex fired by giving him bullshit to work with, but the only way keeping Rex was going to work was to give him a 3-4 year extension and publically say "we want you to lead us through the rebuild" so that he could bring in quality coaches and general manager candidates. No one would have believed that in New York, so the house had to be cleaned.
This. Quoted for emphasis.
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So basically...give the next coach a completely revamped roster that can actually play the sport and he stands a reasonable shot at success.
This is why IS (and I) think it wasn't necessarily the right thing to do to fire Rex. If you did the above for Rex, he'd probably win too. We know for sure that his players would give every last drop in the tank for him.
I've resigned to the idea that it was time to part ways but I still don't think it was the best move.
Who would the next GM be that also takes on Rex? Idzik part 2?
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Who would the next GM be that also takes on Rex? Idzik part 2?
Like I said, I resigned myself to the idea that it was time to part ways. They couldn't realistically keep Rex and get another GM. The only possibility would have been to promote someone from within the organization, and if that didn't work out, it was another year (or three) thrown away.
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Like I said, I resigned myself to the idea that it was time to part ways. They couldn't realistically keep Rex and get another GM. The only possibility would have been to promote someone from within the organization, and if that didn't work out, it was another year (or three) thrown away.
Hiring from within would have been the only way, and it would have also meant a 3rd QB being groomed as the starter.
There will be a QB competition this season, for the 3rd straight year. Vick saying there wasn't one was bullshit.
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Like I said, I resigned myself to the idea that it was time to part ways. They couldn't realistically keep Rex and get another GM. The only possibility would have been to promote someone from within the organization, and if that didn't work out, it was another year (or three) thrown away.
How can you say it was time to part ways, but it wasn't the right move?
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So basically...give the next coach a completely revamped roster that can actually play the sport and he stands a reasonable shot at success.
This is why IS (and I) think it wasn't necessarily the right thing to do to fire Rex. If you did the above for Rex, he'd probably win too. We know for sure that his players would give every last drop in the tank for him.
I've resigned to the idea that it was time to part ways but I still don't think it was the best move.
I don't think it was the best move either, but luckily the football world has a lot of talented people in it. I'm being optimistic the Jets can find a FO/CS combo that can do better than the past 4 years, and hopefully get the Jets back to where they were 6 years ago.
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I can you say it was time to part ways, but it wasn't the right move?
I can you say it in Engrish please?
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I can you say it in Engrish please?
Me so horny. Fixed it.
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How many times do you guys think Johnny English has jerked off so far after hearing the news? He's been awfully quiet.
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How many times do you guys think Johnny English has jerked off so far after hearing the news? He's been awfully quiet.
He's probably at the Dr. the sand paper shredded his rooster.
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How many times do you guys think Johnny English has jerked off so far after hearing the news? He's been awfully quiet.
He's at the pub.
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How many times do you guys think Johnny English has jerked off so far after hearing the news? He's been awfully quiet.
He's busy doing house renos.
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he's putting his Mike Goodson voodoo torture doll in its final resting place.
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he's putting his Mike Goodson voodoo torture doll in its final resting place.
He blasted a load all over it before he throws it in boiling water and steeps it for tea.
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They're all good answers, but MB's is the correct one. Out of preference I'd have kept Rex as the decision for the next GM, but it appears that Rex didn't want that and so I think the right thing was done - insisting on Rex staying was a big reason why we ended up with such an appalling idiot as GM last time round.
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The funny thing about all of this is that the one non-American on this board was 100pct right about our American football team.
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The funny thing about all of this is that the one non-American on this board was 100pct right about our American football team.
His ego is already going to swallow Toronto, keep feeding it though.
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The funny thing about all of this is that the one non-American on this board was 100pct right about our American football team.
That this franchise is hopeless without Laron Landry?
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That this franchise is hopeless without Laron Landry?
only reason we won 4 games this year was because of Dawan.
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I moved the bulk of my old rebuttal to the "Smunt" thread since I felt it better fit a QB discussion, but any better QB options available would not have been much better than what we ended up with.
You are wrong.
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They're all good answers, but MB's is the correct one. Out of preference I'd have kept Rex as the decision for the next GM, but it appears that Rex didn't want that and so I think the right thing was done - insisting on Rex staying was a big reason why we ended up with such an appalling idiot as GM last time round.
Considering Rex just shot to the top of the available HC list it doesn't really make sense that a GM wouldn't want him.
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Considering Rex just shot to the top of the available HC list it doesn't really make sense that a GM wouldn't want him.
It would be hilarious if we hired a GM who then hired Rex. The contract would be easy to work out.
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We loved Rex as a person and a player's coach, which in turn makes some people less critical of him.
I'm gonna root for him wherever he goes and I appreciate what he did with the franchise. But yes, having a divided unit team wasn't very good. Watching the offense the last 3 years is absolutely painful. It makes 2011 sanchez/skeleton of Plaxico look like Warner and the greatest show on turf.
I'll miss him but it was time for a change. When he starts learning the other side of the ball, he'll be one of the best head coaches in the league. For a coach, he's still young. A 6 year tenure is pretty damn good for a first time HC gig.
I wonder if that's something he'll do in his time off.
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Funny enough. You know what would be an interesting destination for Rex ?
Atlanta. Give him an offense that could already be good, and have him coach up that defense.
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We loved Rex as a person and a player's coach, which in turn makes some people less critical of him.
I'm gonna root for him wherever he goes and I appreciate what he did with the franchise. But yes, having a divided unit team wasn't very good. Watching the offense the last 3 years is absolutely painful. It makes 2011 sanchez/skeleton of Plaxico look like Warner and the greatest show on turf.
I'll miss him but it was time for a change. When he starts learning the other side of the ball, he'll be one of the best head coaches in the league. For a coach, he's still young. A 6 year tenure is pretty damn good for a first time HC gig.
I wonder if that's something he'll do in his time off.
This is not a bad post.
Some people are coming out of this after a bad break up with an ex-girlfriend. Remembering all the great moments and all the freaking and forgetting all the terrible moments and head fucks.
Rex will go down as one of the greatest coaches in our history because our history is mostly sad. Having owners like Leon Hess and Woody Johnson who never believed in consistency doesn't help either. Nothing you can do about the owner of the team though, sorry.
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I'm looking at it going forward more than back. I actually think Rex is a better coach now after the experience and adversity than he was when he got here. We had the ability to fix the roster going forward, we still do but we've opened up another giant hole at head coach where there wasn't one.
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I'm looking at it going forward more than back. I actually think Rex is a better coach now after the experience and adversity than he was when he got here. We had the ability to fix the roster going forward, we still do but we've opened up another giant hole at head coach where there wasn't one.
We opened up a giant hole at DC*. We didn't really have a head coach.
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We opened up a giant hole at DC*. We didn't really have a head coach.
However you want to say it. Our defense will definitely take a step back, oh and we still don't have a QB.
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We opened up a giant hole at DC*. We didn't really have a head coach.
Just like how Sean Payton is really an OC.
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However you want to say it. Our defense will definitely take a step back, oh and we still don't have a QB.
We could just hire Rob. That way we get a Ryan without forcing him to pretend he knows how offense works.
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The funny thing about all of this is that the one non-American on this board was 100pct right about our American football team.
You know there's a bunch of non-Americans on the board, right?
Considering Rex just shot to the top of the available HC list it doesn't really make sense that a GM wouldn't want him.
I think the point is that Rex didn't want to wait and see, and risk losing his shot at the Atlanta / Chicago / Oakland jobs. I don't blame him for that, he felt he had to force Woody's hand and I think Woody made the right decision.
If Woody had as I suggested fired Idzik two months ago when he was basically getting paid to do little but get paid to watch games from the best seat in the house, we could have had the new GM already lined up and it might have panned out differently.
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Our defense will definitely take a step back
Todd Bowles and Dan Quinn could do very good things with this defense.
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Todd Bowles and Dan Quinn could do very good things with this defense.
Yeah I don't think Rex is the only person in the free world that would have a good defence.
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Yeah I don't think Rex is the only person in the free world that would have a good defence.
he's the only person in Italian Seafood's world
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he's the only person in Italian Seafood's world
Revis lives there too
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Revis lives there too
You guys were so right about him, why wouldn't I listen to you now?
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You guys were so right about him, why wouldn't I listen to you now?
We got a player that is arguably the second best defensive lineman (behind only JJ Watt) in the NFL out of that deal.
It was a heist. The Buccaneers got a one year rental.
in b4 WE COULDA GOT HIM EARLIER
I've already told you multiple times about our big board. Warmack would be a Jet if we only had pick 9 and not 13 too. Not Richardson.
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We got a player that is arguably the second best defensive lineman (behind only JJ Watt) in the NFL out of that deal.
It was a heist. The Buccaneers got a one year rental.
LOL
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I've already told you multiple times about our big board. Warmack would be a Jet if we only had pick 9 and not 13 too. Not Richardson.
Keep telling yourself that.
The fact that Richardson was available with the pick we already had is indisputable. Whether Idzik would have blown that too we'll never know. We do know that if you were GM you'd have been fired today too.
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Keep telling yourself that.
The fact that Richardson was available with the pick we already had is indisputable. Whether Idzik would have blown that too we'll never know. We do know that if you were GM you'd have been fired today too.
At least we wouldn't have Geno Smith.
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At least we wouldn't have Geno Smith.
And we would have Derek Carr aka Jesus and Davante Adams.
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And we would have Derek Carr aka Jesus and Davante Adams.
Martavis Bryant and Gabe Jackson as well
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Martavis Bryant and Gabe Jackson as well
You would have needed to move up to #1 for Gabe Jackson.
Enjoy!
Em
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Yeah I don't think Rex is the only person in the free world that would have a good defence.
When did you start spelling defense with a "c"?
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When did you start spelling defense with a "c"?
In his defence I think it is a typo.
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When did you start spelling defense with a "c"?
In his defence I think it is a typo.
My "smartphone" lol.
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My "smartphone" lol.
Bought it on the street from a foreigner?
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Bought it on the street from a foreigner?
Homeboy shopping network.
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 3m3 minutes ago
On the #Jets power structure: The plan is for the new GM and the new coach to both report to owner Woody Johnson.
odd corporate structural configuration. I don't know why Woody thinks he needs to be more hands-on. Just hire a more capable GM.
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Just hire a more capable GM.
Tell us more, front office guru.
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Tell us more, front office guru.
#FireMBGreen
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Just realized that whoever comes in as HC should take this team to 9-7. Hasn't that happened to every new Jets HC since Parcells?
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Just realized that whoever comes in as HC should take this team to 9-7. Hasn't that happened to every new Jets HC since Parcells?
Didn't Herm start 10-6? So did Mangini.
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Didn't Herm start 10-6? So did Mangini.
Well, 9-7 or better than. Pretty damn good.
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Didn't Herm start 10-6? So did Mangini.
Yes, and both made the playoffs. Both inherited good QBs.
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Yes, and both made the playoffs. Both inherited good QBs.
So it's not the end of the world. Every time we make a change at HC, we usually do pretty well.
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So it's not the end of the world. Every time we make a change at HC, we usually do pretty well.
For two years, then it all falls apart around our ears.
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So it's not the end of the world. Every time we make a change at HC, we usually do pretty well.
We don't have nearly as good a team now and no Chad Pennington on the field to cover up a novice coach's clock woes and other flaws. Rex needed smoke and mirrors to make most of our games close, if we don't greatly improve the roster we'll be 4-12 again or worse. Logic says we have to improve the roster but these are the Jets.
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How can you say it was time to part ways, but it wasn't the right move?
I said I was resigned to the idea that it was time to part ways--I don't agree with it. I also said I didn't feel it was the "best" move--apart from right or wrong.
Just like how Sean Payton is really an OC.
Oh stop. It's not like he has a QB like Drew Brees to mask the fact that the team's defense is a truckload of fertilizer.
We don't have nearly as good a team now and no Chad Pennington on the field to cover up a novice coach's clock woes and other flaws. Rex needed smoke and mirrors to make most of our games close, if we don't greatly improve the roster we'll be 4-12 again or worse. Logic says we have to improve the roster but these are the Jets.
The one thing I'll say is that I hope the new hires happen quickly and the new regime has a chance to get their act together quickly. (This is part of my preference for the Seattle combination--they'd already be familiar with each other.)
There is a lot of money available to spend. This team could be turned around quickly if the new HC/GM are on the same page when FA starts. Obviously QB is still an issue, but they can improve a lot of the rest of the team quickly.
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The one thing I'll say is that I hope the new hires happen quickly and the new regime has a chance to get their act together quickly. (This is part of my preference for the Seattle combination--they'd already be familiar with each other.)
There is a lot of money available to spend. This team could be turned around quickly if the new HC/GM are on the same page when FA starts. Obviously QB is still an issue, but they can improve a lot of the rest of the team quickly.
The Chiefs went from #1 overall to playoffs in one season I think, but there is no Andy Reid to fall into our lap. This year's Andy Reid is Rex Ryan.
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The Chiefs went from #1 overall to playoffs in one season I think, but there is no Andy Reid to fall into our lap. This year's Andy Reid is Rex Ryan.
Andy Reid, 9 time ten game winner, 6 time division champ. Rex Ryan, no mustache.
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Rex is scheduled to meet with ESPN tomorrow, apparently.
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Rex is scheduled to meet with ESPN tomorrow, apparently.
Awesome news
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Rex is scheduled to meet with ESPN tomorrow, apparently.
I'd like to see him take a job with a college team.
I'd take every DL-man from that school.
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I'd like to see him take a job with a college team.
I'd take every DL-man from that school.
His corners would have more talent than ours did.
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Andy Reid, 9 time ten game winner, 6 time division champ. Rex Ryan, no mustache.
Had no Patriots in his division. Both guys made impressive playoff runs and came up short, Rex did all his on the road, again because of New England.
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Had no Patriots in his division. Both guys made impressive playoff runs and came up short, Rex did all his on the road, again because of New England.
The Patriots aren't the Patriots in a division that has real football teams. Luckily for them those AFC east teams have had such terrible coaches that Belicheck quickly deciphered how to beat them all.
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The Patriots aren't the Patriots in a division that has real football teams. Luckily for them those AFC east teams have had such terrible coaches that Belicheck quickly deciphered how to beat them all.
We've been to the playoffs six times during their run with three different coaches, with Rex we beat them in the playoffs on their own field. The problem is nobody else beats them with any regularity. Buffalo's meaningless Week 17 win Sunday was their first in Foxboro since 2000, Miami beats them on occasion, that's it. None of us like them but they are what they are until those guys are gone.
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We've been to the playoffs six times during their run with three different coaches, with Rex we beat them in the playoffs on their own field. The problem is nobody else beats them with any regularity. Buffalo's meaningless Week 17 win Sunday was their first in Foxboro since 2000, Miami beats them on occasion, that's it. None of us like them but they are what they are until those guys are gone.
We've gone 8-22 against them in that span. The Dolphins have gone 9-19.
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We've gone 8-22 against them in that span. The Dolphins have gone 9-19.
Our losses were much closer.
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The Patriots aren't the Patriots in a division that has real football teams. Luckily for them those AFC east teams have had such terrible coaches that Belicheck quickly deciphered how to beat them all.
Is there a single team he has a losing record against?
The Colts and Steelers have the same win percentage against Belichick as the Dolphins.
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Is there a single team he has a losing record against?
No
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No
Not true. He's 2-3 against the Giants including the two biggest losses of his tenure. Just no one in conference.
Broncos are the closest. He's only 8-7 against them.
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Not true. He's 2-3 against the Giants including the two biggest losses of his tenure. Just no one in conference.
Broncos are the closest. He's only 8-7 against them.
It would be great if we only played them every four years, we're not that lucky. Both Super Bowl wins for the Giants were pretty lucky too, guy pinned the ball to his head. I mean I'm glad he did but the coach didn't have anything to do with it.
And again, winning the division is more than head to head. Other teams have to beat them or they still win the division. In 2010 we beat them two out of three and they were 14-3.
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but the coach didn't have anything to do with it.
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If TOJ writers were Giants fans:
"SINCE SEPTEMBER 2012..."
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Sounds like Rex has an excellent chance of making the playoffs next year
Manish Mehta
Those two teams that the Rex Ryan is interviewing with next week: 49ers and Falcons, per sources. #nyj
8:20PM EST
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Sounds like Rex has an excellent chance of making the playoffs next year
Who the hell cares?
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Who the hell cares?
I imagine the NY media will not let jets fans move on if next year Rex is gearing up for the playoffs and the jets are sitting at 6-10
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Who the hell cares?
Id imagine that most Jet fans are cheering for the guy
He likely was the best thing to happen to the Jets for many of us under 40
I agree he had to go, but im still waiting for him to live up to that guarantee
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I agree he had to go, but im still waiting for him to live up to that guarantee
He's not going to do that.
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He's not going to do that.
If hes hired in San Fran hes gonna be HC of a top 3 most talented team
He certainly could
Atlanta is a bit more work. but has a legit elite QB
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If hes hired in San Fran hes gonna be HC of a top 3 most talented team
Couldn't disagree with you more
The team has lost a lot of players to free agency and injuries and this will only continue this offseason.
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I see Atlanta as a much better landing place for him.
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I almost fear Rex will land in Atlanta. He'll win a Super Bowl there. I'm kind of not rooting for him. I'm going to be furious if he wins a title elsewhere.
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I almost fear Rex will land in Atlanta. He'll win a Super Bowl there. I'm kind of not rooting for him. I'm going to be furious if he wins a title elsewhere.
I'm kind of indifferent. Rex will be fine, he's easy to root for but my interest in him was getting us there. Now my interest is him going out of the AFC so he doesn't come back to haunt us for 20 years like Belichick.
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I'm kind of indifferent. Rex will be fine, he's easy to root for but my interest in him was getting us there. Now my interest is him going out of the AFC so he doesn't come back to haunt us for 20 years like Belichick.
Him winning will haunt me. Herm I never worried about. Mangini I never worried about. I worried about Parcells a little bit, but I figured he was practically done when he left here. The only other coach I've ever truly worried about when he left was Pete Carroll.
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I almost fear Rex will land in Atlanta. He'll win a Super Bowl there. I'm kind of not rooting for him. I'm going to be furious if he wins a title elsewhere.
I'd be fine with it. I like the guy, and if he finally learns from his mistakes, I'll be thrilled to watch him succeed. He could have been a great coach for us, and if he realizes his problems and addresses them, he'll achieve that elsewhere.
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I don't understand how any Jet fan can really have a hate for Rex. The guy made us more relevant then we've been since Super Bowl III but it was time for a change on both sides. I really hope he does well in wherever he goes as long as it isn't the AFC east.
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I don't understand how any Jet fan can really have a hate for Rex. The guy made us more relevant then we've been since Super Bowl III but it was time for a change on both sides. I really hope he does well in wherever he goes as long as it isn't the AFC east.
I'm guessing the people who claim to hate him are just reacting to the absurdity at the other end of the spectrum. I like the guy, but I don't see how we get solid GM candidates after the Idzik "era" without a complete overhaul.
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I don't understand how any Jet fan can really have a hate for Rex. The guy made us more relevant then we've been since Super Bowl III but it was time for a change on both sides. I really hope he does well in wherever he goes as long as it isn't the AFC east.
Only Mr.E hates him
The others will just be envious that we lost a legend
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I'm guessing the people who claim to hate him are just reacting to the absurdity at the other end of the spectrum. I like the guy, but I don't see how we get solid GM candidates after the Idzik "era" without a complete overhaul.
I don't think there would have been any possible way to get a quality GM here with Rex around.
Anyone who takes those jobs wants their own guy, it's pretty much exactly what happened in 2006 with Tanny and Mangini and that overhaul worked out for the best.
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I don't think there would have been any possible way to get a quality GM here with Rex around.
Anyone who takes those jobs wants their own guy, it's pretty much exactly what happened in 2006 with Tanny and Mangini and that overhaul worked out for the best.
Bradaway/Rex wouldve been the only way you could keep Rex
and I dont think anyone wouldve wanted that
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Bradaway/Rex wouldve been the only way you could keep Rex
and I dont think anyone wouldve wanted that
What a shitstorm
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Bradaway/Rex wouldve been the only way you could keep Rex
and I dont think anyone wouldve wanted that
It could have been Brendan Prophett.
He would have been a first time GM. He's been in this organization for 13 years. He is the Director of Pro Personnel. He was assistant director of pro scouting and before that a pro scout.
The only name worthy guy not named Bradway if they were to hire from within.
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
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The #Jaguars have parted ways with former special assistant to the GM John Idzik, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo
. The former #Jets GM was brought on to work with Dave Caldwell. Now, both are out.
Idzik fired again
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A potential coup.
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Terrible bump
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This thread gives me PTSD
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I completely forgot Idzik was with the Jags. This is why we couldn't out-tank them.
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Terrible bump
Mission accomplished
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Definitely needed to bump this thread rather than post in Miscellania or not post at all.
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Definitely needed to bump this thread rather than post in Miscellania or not post at all.
Drink in the greatness
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dee milliner
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Definitely needed to bump this thread rather than post in Miscellania or not post at all.
loljags was the correct play here
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I completely forgot Idzik was with the Jags. This is why we couldn't out-tank them.
Idzik brings the losing everywhere he goes. Started with the Revis trade and straight downhill from there.
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Another fun thread to go back and read. I was being generous when I said we'd be terrible for 4-5 years, we're at 6 and counting.
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Michael David Smith @MichaelDavSmith
On NFL Network @RapSheet said Woody Johnson feels that he got "duped into thinking Idzik had more football knowledge than he really had."
8:35 AM - 29 Dec 2014
Ron Wolf and Charlie Casserly should eliminate the "dupe factor" this time around.
Welp
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Welp
Boom roasted
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Welp
Only football guy Woody had at that time was Rex. Once he was gone Woody was out there in a life raft with no clue, almost getting tampering charges the second he opened his mouth. First mistake was firing Tannenbaum after 2012, bringing in Idzik and changing the reporting structure. At that point, you either keep Tannenbaum, put Rex in charge or start over with a GM who hires the coach, like we did this time.
It is funny to see the optimism about us having money to spend and a high pick, funny in a "oh excrement" kind of way.