Post by: Coach K on October 19, 2013, 06:42:43 PM
im still scared about the fact FSU switching to Pruitt's 3-4 scheme is not a fit yet for our front 7.
and Jimbo Fisher's playcalling is either retarded or good. no middle ground.
that being said , itll be a great game.
we better use our stable of RB's to ram it down their throat and avoid a shootout
Post by: Coach K on October 19, 2013, 06:49:34 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2013, 07:12:26 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2013, 07:26:38 PM
forced fumble and recovery on first play of game.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2013, 08:01:11 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2013, 08:01:41 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 19, 2013, 11:02:20 PM
"Florida State bringin it's swag back"
Jameis Winston
Post by: Coach K on October 20, 2013, 10:19:26 AM
Also he doesnt tweet Drake lyrics which is major bonus points.
He said swag, points deducted but he has plenty to give.
Jameis For Heisman
Post by: Coach K on October 20, 2013, 10:24:52 AM
WWJD
What Would Jameis Do?
Throw Touchdowns
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2013, 05:28:34 PM
Jameis Winston is the anti Johnny Football. Was completely humble and thankful to his teammates post game.Jameisman.
Also he doesnt tweet Drake lyrics which is major bonus points.
He said swag, points deducted but he has plenty to give.
Jameis For Heisman
Post by: WW85 on October 20, 2013, 06:16:45 PM
lol my facebook status after the first TD pass
WWJD
What Would Jameis Do?
Throw Touchdowns
LOL.....this thread is almost in stalker status.
Post by: Badger on October 20, 2013, 08:42:15 PM
Disclosure: not actually Winston, another #5
Post by: Heismanberg on October 20, 2013, 08:42:32 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 20, 2013, 09:06:04 PM
Post by: Cane on October 21, 2013, 10:06:39 AM
November 2.
Post by: Coach K on October 24, 2013, 12:51:26 PM
LOL.....this thread is almost in stalker status.
Nah, it started as a joke to how much hype he got before his first game.
Since hes quickly living up to it im riding it out.
Also being a Noles fan since the Charlie Ward era I can say hes the best QB weve had since Ward.
In fact I would go as far to say that hes a top 5 qb in the country as a (RS) Freshman. and the only QB sniffing his performance this year is Marriotta .
I like what Johnny Football can do but the kid throws a ton of jump balls that will get picked off at the next level. I dont think thats even debatable.
Someone could easily call me bias, but I obviously see every FSU game living down here and Winston is as impressive of a college prospect as I can remember.
Post by: Coach K on October 24, 2013, 12:57:03 PM
November 2.
I think Dorsett will be a huge loss, especially if they want to compete with FSU.
And I'm sorry but Morris is the epitome of mediocre.
the only thing I can say is I think Golden is a good HC, but UM is about a year behind FSU as far as rebounding their respective programs.
then again the UM-FSU game is usually crazy regardless of how each program is playing. so time will tell.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on October 28, 2013, 02:54:25 PM
-Jimbo Fisher
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2013, 10:35:07 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on November 09, 2013, 06:03:24 PM
Clearly I have high hopes.. You heard it here first, SU will keep this game within 50.
Post by: Coach K on November 11, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
I'll say this, Syracuse has allowed all of 3 points, the last two weeks and the only thing they are exceptionally good at is running the ball, the weakest part of the Noles game.
Clearly I have high hopes.. You heard it here first, SU will keep this game within 50.
lol i was about to type a long winded response till i read your last sentence .
Post by: Libero_2 on November 11, 2013, 03:54:16 PM
lol i was about to type a long winded response till i read your last sentence .
Yeah that was entirely designed to irritate you lol
Post by: Cane on November 13, 2013, 05:30:54 PM
UH OH.
I wonder if he did that stupid handshake with her after.
Post by: Coach K on November 13, 2013, 06:13:13 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/13/jameis-winston-florida-state-quarterback-investigated-sexual-assault/
UH OH.
I wonder if he did that stupid handshake with her after.
its no different than the fact the whole FSU roster is being charged with rape against UM.
tmz? good source.
especially this part
"BTW ... the initial police reports lists the suspect's height at 5'11'' max ... Winston is 6'4.' That report also says the suspect has straight hair. Discrepancies aside, we have confirmed with law enforcement sources Winston is indeed the suspect."
Post by: Coach K on November 13, 2013, 06:14:15 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on November 13, 2013, 06:29:17 PM
Post by: Coach K on November 13, 2013, 06:37:28 PM
That kid could bang pretty much any girl he wanted.
thats why he took on the challenge of banging someone who didnt want him.
a true competitor.
Post by: bojanglesman on November 13, 2013, 06:56:47 PM
Post by: Badger on November 13, 2013, 07:05:39 PM
thats why he took on the challenge of banging someone who didnt want him.
a true competitor.
We're all missing some obvious Roethlisberger comparison jokes here.
Post by: Shellder Richardson on November 13, 2013, 10:00:49 PM
"BTW ... the initial police reports lists the suspect's height at 5'11'' max ... Winston is 6'4.' That report also says the suspect has straight hair. Discrepancies aside, we have confirmed with law enforcement sources Winston is indeed the suspect."
She took 5 inches from him, police took 5 inches from him.
Post by: Coach K on November 14, 2013, 07:46:19 AM
We're all missing some obvious Roethlisberger comparison jokes here.
no were not i just didnt say it here last night.
i was with a friend on the phone telling him about this thread and some of the remarks and I told him
"a few weeks into the season you remember how i compared Jaemis Winston to Ben Roethlisberger?"
"now im closer to being right"
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 14, 2013, 09:32:40 AM
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2013, 09:33:22 AM
goddamn Heisman smear campaignAt least the girl isn't imaginary.
OR IS SHE?
Post by: Libero_2 on November 16, 2013, 05:50:34 PM
I'll say this, Syracuse has allowed all of 3 points, the last two weeks and the only thing they are exceptionally good at is running the ball, the weakest part of the Noles game.
Clearly I have high hopes.. You heard it here first, SU will keep this game within 50.
I was so close, if it wasn't for that defensive score, we would have held them to within 49. my prediction was oh so close.
Post by: CatoTheElder on November 17, 2013, 04:06:05 PM
I was so close, if it wasn't for that defensive score, we would have held them to within 49. my prediction was oh so close.
Kind of awkward reading this post immediately after the sexual assault ones.
Post by: Johnny English on December 05, 2013, 01:09:49 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 05, 2013, 01:16:24 PM
Post by: Badger on December 05, 2013, 01:16:49 PM
No charges to be filed against anyone. The legend continues.
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Post by: Miamipuck on December 05, 2013, 01:40:36 PM
JUSTICE PREVAILS(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/Miamipuck/29574-Cat-High-Five-gif-iVsN_zpsff1fc163.gif)
Post by: Badger on December 08, 2013, 01:04:55 PM
Post by: Cane on December 08, 2013, 04:28:43 PM
Post by: reuben on April 17, 2014, 09:38:01 PM
Dude's cum is on the rape victim's clothes and the excrement was videotaped. And there wasn't the slightest possibility of a conviction cuz GO NOLES. What an utterly disgusting miscarriage of justice.
Post by: Coach K on April 18, 2014, 05:56:26 AM
I just read the NY Times article. I guess most of the info is old news but I didn't follow the story as it unfolded.
Dude's cum is on the rape victim's clothes and the excrement was videotaped. And there wasn't the slightest possibility of a conviction cuz GO NOLES. What an utterly disgusting miscarriage of justice.
Yeah let's leave out the part that multiple dudes DNA was found in her and on her clothes , the fact she claimed she was drunk and then passed a breathalyzer with flying colors, the fact she and her friends had a Facebook group infamous for hooking up with student athletes, the fact her lawyer had Alumni ties to UF, there's a ton surrounding this story that wasn't leaked just to help the alleging victim. There's also the fact the "victim" flipped out when she found out Winston wouldn't dump his current girlfriend.
The only thing that was proven was this chick likes to freak student athletes. Nobody knows what happened that night. But you can have a kneejerk reaction if you'd like. Albeit severely delayed
Post by: Libero_2 on April 18, 2014, 08:04:21 AM
Yeah let's leave out the part that multiple dudes DNA was found in her and on her clothes , the fact she claimed she was drunk and then passed a breathalyzer with flying colors, the fact she and her friends had a Facebook group infamous for hooking up with student athletes, the fact her lawyer had Alumni ties to UF, there's a ton surrounding this story that wasn't leaked just to help the alleging victim. There's also the fact the "victim" flipped out when she found out Winston wouldn't dump his current girlfriend.
The only thing that was proven was this chick likes to freak student athletes. Nobody knows what happened that night. But you can have a kneejerk reaction if you'd like. Albeit severely delayed
I didn't exactly follow the case, because frankly I don't care much. But I did just read the article, and not a single mention of any of the things you just mentioned were in the article.
Regardless of the what you said being true or not, if the article is not lying, the police royally fucked up in refusing to investigate the allegation because a whole lot of stuff would have been uncovered in the first few days and then we probably would know. Also, as I'm sure you can understand, just because a girl like to freak dudes, athletes or otherwise, does not mean she is not capable of being raped.
Nobody but Winston his three buddies who got the girl in the cab and the girl (supposing she wasn't blackout drunk, which it sounds like she wasn't) knows what happened that night. But I will say Winston has taken his first step towards becoming the Next Ben Roethlisberger (at least in the public eye, if not in reality).
Post by: Heismanberg on April 18, 2014, 09:15:19 AM
But you can have a kneejerk reaction if you'd like
Your entire response to his post was a knee jerk reaction.
"HER LAWYER WENT TO UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA! SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT!"
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2014, 09:20:15 AM
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Post by: Coach K on April 18, 2014, 09:28:42 AM
I didn't exactly follow the case, because frankly I don't care much. But I did just read the article, and not a single mention of any of the things you just mentioned were in the article.
Regardless of the what you said being true or not, if the article is not lying, the police royally fucked up in refusing to investigate the allegation because a whole lot of stuff would have been uncovered in the first few days and then we probably would know. Also, as I'm sure you can understand, just because a girl like to freak dudes, athletes or otherwise, does not mean she is not capable of being raped.
Nobody but Winston his three buddies who got the girl in the cab and the girl (supposing she wasn't blackout drunk, which it sounds like she wasn't) knows what happened that night. But I will say Winston has taken his first step towards becoming the Next Ben Roethlisberger (at least in the public eye, if not in reality).
im not impying Winstons innocence. im asserting the NY Times piece is a slanted view on it in favor of the alleged victim. what does the state have to gain by smearing a college students reputation? i can assure you what i did say was all true and i knew it before the investigation even took place.
whats proven is that the Tallahassee Police Dept botched the whole thing and dragged their feet, leaving any further investigation questionable. Once the state got involved though, all bets were off. Its easier to point at documented evidence of the TPD shitting the bed and then assuming the worst, and its even better for the NY Times view count.
The States office has nothing to gain by going public with all the circumstantial evidence that pretty much only reinforces inaccuracies in the alleged victims testimonies. it would also sully the girls reputation publicly only drawing out more drama .
if the TPD didnt drop the ball, the truth woudve likely been found. but theres a lot more to the case than what is purported in the NY Times artice. all we know is the girl had sex with Winston, and other men within a small time frame. but i can assure you a the circumstantial evidence i presented that definitely muddy the waters and supply a motive to suggest something other than rape occurred, is true.
essentially, much like the ruling said, there's not enough evidence to prove rape, and the facts and evidence that could be used to discredit the possibility of rape were left un reported to save the alleged victim of any further affect on her personal life.
besides i compared him to Big Ben before the allegations, as stated earlier in the thread. but yeah "statewide conspiracy to save a football championship" plays better in the NY Times than "promiscuous college students testimony had various inaccuracies and she might have been raped?"
Post by: Coach K on April 18, 2014, 09:32:51 AM
Your entire response to his post was a knee jerk reaction.
"HER LAWYER WENT TO UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA! SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT!"
yeah cherry pick for your own entertainment. i never said he was without a doubt innocent. ive explained my take on it quite well on my last post. i dont expect people to agree. he will always have that air of uncertainty around him and thats on him. deserved or not? nobody will ever know.
Post by: Badger on April 18, 2014, 09:33:45 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 23, 2014, 01:02:30 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 30, 2014, 10:04:14 AM
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2014/4/30/5668004/jameis-winston-arrested-shoplifting-crab-legs-publix
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2014, 10:41:22 AM
Jameis Winston cited for shoplifting crab legs from Publix. Can't be real, is it?FINALLY, Jameis will get the justice that's been coming to him. If he doesn't go to jail for giving crabs, maybe he'll go for stealing them.
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2014/4/30/5668004/jameis-winston-arrested-shoplifting-crab-legs-publix
Post by: Coach K on April 30, 2014, 10:51:30 AM
Crab legs ain't on Dat meal plan though
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2014, 10:54:33 AM
Yeah no defending this one.Free Seafood University.
Crab legs ain't on Dat meal plan though
Post by: Shellder Richardson on April 30, 2014, 11:07:20 AM
He had the Dillard's bags, he had the Publix bags.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2014, 11:40:17 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmejbwAIUAAyXBE.png)
http://www.pageqsports.com/2014/04/the-best-jameis-winston-crab-photoshops-on-twitter/
Post by: Coach K on April 30, 2014, 11:50:48 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bme7qpNCYAEPa-b.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmejbwAIUAAyXBE.png)
http://www.pageqsports.com/2014/04/the-best-jameis-winston-crab-photoshops-on-twitter/
That one is gold
Post by: Heismanberg on April 30, 2014, 01:09:23 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 30, 2014, 01:12:16 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on April 30, 2014, 04:51:39 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2014, 04:19:43 PM
Post by: Pope on May 11, 2014, 04:54:15 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on May 11, 2014, 05:10:11 PM
We should sign him as our 4th black quarterback next year
QB isn't even a need anymore.
Between Geno and Boyd this team's set for the next 15 years
Post by: Johnny English on August 11, 2014, 09:47:44 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on August 12, 2014, 04:19:14 PM
Jalen Ramsey got kicked out of FSU practice for being too rough with Winston, and Jimbo Fisher is PISSED. The interview was funny.
hahaha I saw that yesterday.
Post by: Cane on August 12, 2014, 04:56:56 PM
Post by: Badger on August 12, 2014, 09:30:57 PM
Florida State thought it was a good idea to do an #askJameis on twitter a couple days ago. No one else did. Results were as expected.
Besides the obvious reason that makes it a bad idea, who really expects Jameis Winston to be able to coherently answer a question?
Post by: Cane on August 13, 2014, 05:52:58 AM
Besides the obvious reason that makes it a bad idea, who really expects Jameis Winston to be able to coherently answer a question?
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/13/sy5uzahy.jpg)
Post by: Coach K on August 13, 2014, 10:34:07 AM
Post by: Coach K on August 13, 2014, 10:36:07 AM
Erin Andrews tweeted a pic of her doing the chomp at the Colosseum in Rome saying "gator nation is everywhere"
Someone replied "except the top 25"
Post by: Badger on September 16, 2014, 03:50:35 PM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 16, 2014, 04:11:13 PM
http://deadsp.in/73P7xnr
Well at least he's showing the maturity necessary to be trusted with $20 million dollars
Post by: Heismanberg on September 17, 2014, 11:25:48 AM
Post by: Libero_2 on September 17, 2014, 04:19:53 PM
Post by: Coach K on September 20, 2014, 08:10:22 AM
SportsCenter: BREAKING: Jameis Winston suspended for first half of Saturday's game vs. Clemson. http://t.co/eCXsQ7qVaq
It's now the whole game. And I'm glad, this kid needs to pull his head from his derriere before he ends up like Ryan Leaf
Post by: Cane on September 20, 2014, 08:27:25 AM
Post by: Tommy on September 20, 2014, 08:30:25 AM
Post by: Coach K on September 20, 2014, 09:24:19 AM
At some point he has to wake up right?
I hope so, moreso for his life after football. It's crazy to think this is the same person who filled a notebook up in middle school with passing schemes and philosophy on how to attack coverages
Honestly this most recent thing wouldn't be so bad if the NFL weren't exposed a week before and all his other bullshit.
Regardless, most FSU fans I know ate happy he's out the whole game.
If rather see the Noles take a loss if it leads to this kid growing up n realizing the opportunity he's slowly pissing away
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2014, 09:25:24 AM
Honestly this most recent thing wouldn't be so bad if the NFL weren't exposed a week before and all his other bullshit.
or if he wasn't an accused rapist
Post by: Coach K on September 20, 2014, 09:30:24 AM
or if he wasn't an accused rapist
No excrement. That goes without saying. Way to go out on a limb lol
Post by: Coach K on September 20, 2014, 09:33:56 AM
But yes being a possible rapist usually doesn't indicate full control of mental status lol
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on September 20, 2014, 09:43:36 AM
or if he wasn't an accused rapist
Sure, but FSU fans don't care about that. That's every frat boy's Saturday night. Plus, they're willing to give up one game to look like decent human beings. They're not willing to give up the guy's whole career.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
uh oh
Post by: Jumbo on September 20, 2014, 10:54:55 AM
Former FSU beat writer Emory Parker says there's something else on the horizon...
uh oh
He's about to get fucked. Right in the hoo-ha.
Rumor is that he's been kicked off the team.
Post by: Jumbo on September 20, 2014, 11:12:16 AM
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2014, 11:27:34 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 20, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
@EmoryParker @cblunt58 he'll still get to rape people though, right?
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2014, 11:29:14 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 20, 2014, 11:49:51 AM
Post by: hawk on September 20, 2014, 12:15:20 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2014, 12:31:33 PM
So, what did he do? He said something vulgar?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx-3j2LCAAEsTY2.jpg)
Post by: hawk on September 20, 2014, 12:33:55 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx-3j2LCAAEsTY2.jpg)
I don't know what this is.
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2014, 12:39:53 PM
I don't know what this is.
o rly
NSFW audio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWi42xqsmZo
Post by: hawk on September 20, 2014, 12:55:30 PM
Did he get suspended for the alleged rape?
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2014, 01:03:36 PM
You have to be kidding me. He is getting suspended for standing on a table in a cafeteria, and yelling this? Smart, no, immature, yes, but I don't get what everyone is so worked up over. If it was the Chem student at the next table, this would be a non-issue.
It was offensive to a lot of people (more than likely female students) and he violated the code of conduct.
There are rumors on Reddit right now that he may have been expelled after an internal investigation was done.
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Did he get suspended for the alleged rape?
no
Post by: Miamipuck on September 20, 2014, 01:32:15 PM
Post by: hawk on September 20, 2014, 01:35:48 PM
Hopefully what you are seeing is the systematic breakdown of protection for athletes that are freaking assholes and do bad excrement. It would be nice if those assholes were treated like the criminals they are.
This.
Not to mention, any celebrity.
Post by: Coach K on September 20, 2014, 05:04:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx-3j2LCAAEsTY2.jpg)
Bahaha a oh man. That's hilarious .
Post by: Libero_2 on September 20, 2014, 05:39:01 PM
It was offensive to a lot of people (more than likely female students) and he violated the code of conduct.
There are rumors on Reddit right now that he may have been expelled after an internal investigation was done.
no
He's obviously not being expelled for standing on a table in the student union yelling "freak Her Right in the hoo-ha!" Something else is going on here. They wouldn't expel a normal student for that, so they sure as excrement won't expel a guy who has made them as much money as Winston has for it.
If he did something else and that's coming on the heels of this, I could see it, but for vulgar language? Particularly that which has been repeated thousands of times since that meme came into existence is ridiculous, no matter what his moral standing actually is
Post by: Jumbo on September 20, 2014, 07:07:09 PM
https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/status/513478326296797184
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2014, 07:07:46 PM
what in the hell is wrong with this kid?
Post by: Tommy on September 20, 2014, 08:49:10 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on September 20, 2014, 08:51:12 PM
Who's Jameis Winston?
kill yourself
Post by: Badger on September 20, 2014, 09:22:49 PM
And just as I say that, they tie it up.
Also, I had to explain FHRITP to my wife.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on September 24, 2014, 01:37:25 PM
Jameis Winston’s lawyer has fired off a letter to Florida State University … claiming the woman who accused his client of rape demanded $7 MILLION to buy her silence.
David Cornwell, the lawyer for the Heisman Trophy winner, sent a letter to FSU, saying Winston will fully cooperate with the University’s ongoing investigation into the handling of the rape charges. The alleged victim claims the University engaged in sexual discrimination by sweeping her claims under the rug to protect its prized athlete.
According to the letter — obtained by TMZ — the alleged victim’s lawyer, Patricia Carroll, demanded $7 MIL to settle her client’s claims against FSU and Winston, telling Cornwell, “If we settle, you will never hear from my client or me again — in the press or anywhere.”
Cornwell says he rejected her offer and 4 days later she went to the media.
Cornwell also says Carroll claimed her client’s sexual encounter had to be rape, because she would never sleep with a “black boy.” Fact is … the alleged victim’s boyfriend at the time was black. The criminal case fell apart, partly because the alleged victim had semen from 2 different men on her shorts.
Cornwell ends his letter to FSU by saying, “Mr. Winston will cooperate with the Investigation. He looks forward to clearing his name. But Mr. Winston will not walk into a honey trap. The Investigation must be a legitimate investigation.”
Despite a lack of cooperation, police eventually did find the identity of the second semen sample on the accuser’s shorts — an African American football player at a MAC school who originally attended Zephyrhills High School.
“[The accuser] acknowledged having sex with her boyfriend,” State Attorney Willie Meggs said. “But she wouldn’t tell me who her boyfriend was. Being a shrewd investigator, we found out, and we got his DNA.”
Post by: Pope on September 24, 2014, 02:40:48 PM
"Jameis winstons rape accuser and her lawyer allegedly tried to extort 7 million from him before going to the media said it had to be rape because she would never sleep with a black boy"Semen from two different dudes on her shorts.. sounds like a hero.
Jameis Winston’s lawyer has fired off a letter to Florida State University … claiming the woman who accused his client of rape demanded $7 MILLION to buy her silence.
David Cornwell, the lawyer for the Heisman Trophy winner, sent a letter to FSU, saying Winston will fully cooperate with the University’s ongoing investigation into the handling of the rape charges. The alleged victim claims the University engaged in sexual discrimination by sweeping her claims under the rug to protect its prized athlete.
According to the letter — obtained by TMZ — the alleged victim’s lawyer, Patricia Carroll, demanded $7 MIL to settle her client’s claims against FSU and Winston, telling Cornwell, “If we settle, you will never hear from my client or me again — in the press or anywhere.”
Cornwell says he rejected her offer and 4 days later she went to the media.
Cornwell also says Carroll claimed her client’s sexual encounter had to be rape, because she would never sleep with a “black boy.” Fact is … the alleged victim’s boyfriend at the time was black. The criminal case fell apart, partly because the alleged victim had semen from 2 different men on her shorts.
Cornwell ends his letter to FSU by saying, “Mr. Winston will cooperate with the Investigation. He looks forward to clearing his name. But Mr. Winston will not walk into a honey trap. The Investigation must be a legitimate investigation.”
Despite a lack of cooperation, police eventually did find the identity of the second semen sample on the accuser’s shorts — an African American football player at a MAC school who originally attended Zephyrhills High School.
“[The accuser] acknowledged having sex with her boyfriend,” State Attorney Willie Meggs said. “But she wouldn’t tell me who her boyfriend was. Being a shrewd investigator, we found out, and we got his DNA.”
Post by: bojanglesman on September 24, 2014, 02:43:17 PM
But Mr. Winston will not walk into a honey trap.
Honey trap.....hehe.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2014, 05:32:01 PM
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2014, 05:42:18 PM
She wanted $7 million from a college kid? Yes he was a future NFL draft pick. But it's not like he can get an advance on his first contract like an allowance or whatever
Could one borrow against a draft insurance policy? Or is that a completely incorrect and idiotic notion?
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2014, 05:58:52 PM
Could one borrow against a draft insurance policy? Or is that a completely incorrect and idiotic notion?
One would have to have a draft insurance policy first I would think, and I doubt he had one the December of his redshirt year when he allegedly raped the girl. Secondly I imagine that doesn't work, as I can't imagine you can borrow against your life insurance payout to buy a car, let alone a hush payment to a woman, so I can't imagine a draft insurance policy would be any different
Post by: Badger on September 24, 2014, 06:55:23 PM
One would have to have a draft insurance policy first I would think, and I doubt he had one the December of his redshirt year when he allegedly raped the girl. Secondly I imagine that doesn't work, as I can't imagine you can borrow against your life insurance payout to buy a car, let alone a hush payment to a woman, so I can't imagine a draft insurance policy would be any different
You can borrow against some insurance policies actually. But it probably wouldn't apply to draft insurance and I also didn't realize the alleged rape happened so long ago. I just assumed it happened not too long before it came out.
Post by: Libero_2 on September 24, 2014, 07:28:08 PM
You can borrow against some insurance policies actually. But it probably wouldn't apply to draft insurance and I also didn't realize the alleged rape happened so long ago. I just assumed it happened not too long before it came out.
I could be wrong, and K clearly would know more than I, but I'm pretty sure the alleged act took place in December of 2 years ago, as the "coverup" supposedly took place in months leading up to the "start" of Winston's career on the playing field. And it became public in like November-ish of last year.
Post by: Coach K on September 25, 2014, 11:05:24 PM
She was even part of a Facebook group infamous for sleeping with student athletes. Her lawyer had ties to UF alum etc etc.
You can now add extortion to the list.
TPD took excrement for dragging their feet, but the waters were muddied by both sides to begin with. The only real thing tgat could ever be proven Winston and the accusers boyfriend had sex with her within a short window. Another tidbit floating around at the time was the more they dug the less the accuser wanted to move forward and her father kept pushing for more info.
Winston has gone on to prove he is stupid and immature though. So here's to hoping he pulls his head from his derriere.
Post by: Badger on September 25, 2014, 11:08:52 PM
Post by: Coach K on September 25, 2014, 11:17:10 PM
The next time he starts, can he wear eye blacks that say FHRITP?
At this point I wouldn't be shocked lol
Post by: Badger on November 02, 2014, 08:38:04 PM
Post by: Cane on November 02, 2014, 09:14:20 PM
Pain is temporary.
He probably says that to all the girls.
Post by: Badger on November 05, 2014, 08:56:48 AM
Post by: Shellder Richardson on November 05, 2014, 03:41:11 PM
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"freak boy how did you get my number?.. mind your business boy"
http://ibnsportswrap.com/article.php?articleID=1716 (http://ibnsportswrap.com/article.php?articleID=1716)
Winston is Paul Crewe, and apparently Tajh Boyd is the devil.
Post by: Badger on November 07, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
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BREAKING: Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 rubble found in Jameis Winston's dorm room.
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BREAKING: Jameis Winston allegedly beat Adrian Peterson's son with Ray Rice's wife while on MDMA at the Kentucky Derby.
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I once saw Jameis Winston shoot a white rhino and then pose over it in a Facebook photo.
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 16, 2014, 11:03:38 AM
I realize all the excrement that is going to come with him and that this is New York but we need "the Guy".
" The Guy" is Jameis Winston.
Post by: Cane on November 16, 2014, 11:14:28 AM
I'm going to catch heat for this - especially from LJF - but I have seen enough of this kid to know he is going to be superstar in this league. I'm all in and if we have to blow our second rounder to go get him so be it.
I realize all the excrement that is going to come with him and that this is New York but we need "the Guy".
" The Guy" is Jameis Winston.
Don't know what you're watching if that's what you're seeing.
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 16, 2014, 11:34:05 AM
Don't know what you're watching if that's what you're seeing.
I don't see nearly enough of college ball as used to but I've seen enough to know a solid pick. This guy is great prospect- we need the QB with great upside- this is him. I know the vibe around Mariota but I think Winston is a gutsy winner.
Post by: Pope on November 16, 2014, 11:45:47 AM
Post by: ScotlandJet on November 16, 2014, 11:58:01 AM
I'm frankly sick and tired of these minority QBs were sending on the field
You'll need to expand a little but I'm hoping you are finding favor with my idea of Winston. I like Mariota but I think Winston is a Keyshawn type of impact player.
Post by: MBGreen on November 16, 2014, 11:59:32 AM
You'll need to expand a little but I'm hoping you are finding favor with my idea of Winston. I like Mariota but I think Winston is a Keyshawn type of impact player.
I'm with you on the optimism regarding Winston. I think he should be our pick in the 1st round as well, on the condition that we have a coaching staff conducive to developing a QB. Rex Ryan ruins QBs.
Post by: Heismanberg on November 16, 2014, 12:29:19 PM
Rex Ryan ruins QBs.
Geno Smith was an unpolished turd before Ryan knew he existed.
(but I agree we need a new coaching staff)
Post by: Pope on November 16, 2014, 01:34:12 PM
You'll need to expand a little but I'm hoping you are finding favor with my idea of Winston. I like Mariota but I think Winston is a Keyshawn type of impact player.More of a joke about us having Sanchez, then Geno, then Vick, and potentially Jameis
Post by: Badger on November 17, 2014, 06:54:28 PM
Post by: Badger on November 22, 2014, 05:48:29 PM
Post by: Derek Smalls on December 02, 2014, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 04, 2014, 08:58:49 AM
After (NAME REDACTED) entered her telephone number into my cell phone, we talked some more. I mentioned something about staying in touch or getting together later and then I went to mingle with my friends. Chris saw me talking to (NAME REDACTED) at the bar and told me he had already gotten (NAME REDACTED) number from (NAME REDACTED).
I did not buy (NAME REDACTED) a drink. I did not give (NAME REDACTED) a drink of any kind. I did not give her a shot of any kind. I did not give or offer to give any drugs to (NAME REDACTED).
Around the time Potbelly’s was closing, Chris, Ron and I left Potbelly’s and socialized in front of Potbelly’s. Chris and I thought that (NAME REDACTED) was interested in both of us. I decided to send (NAME REDACTED) a text message letting her know that I was leaving and asking her whether she was ready to leave. Given our prior interaction and her response, I believe that it was clear to (NAME REDACTED) that my intent with the text was to find out whether she wanted to leave and go home with me. (NAME REDACTED) replied to my text saying in substance that she was ready to leave and was coming outside.
Chris, Ron and I were standing next to a taxi cab when (NAME REDACTED) came outside and voluntarily walked over to us. I do not recall exactly what was said, but we made it clear that we were leaving and (NAME REDACTED) made it clear that she wanted to leave with us. Since Potbelly’s was closing, there were a bunch of students outside of Potbelly’s, around the outside bar, and there were a bunch of taxicabs parked at the curb in front of Potbelly’s.(NAME REDACTED) voluntarily left with us.
(NAME REDACTED) was not “taken,” forced, or “coerced” into the taxicab. She was fully aware of what was happening; she voluntarily left Potbelly’s in response to my text and she voluntarily got into the taxicab. If (NAME REDACTED) had protested, then I would have left her at Potbelly’s. Additionally, if she had protested, the students and taxi cab drivers in front of Potbelly’s would have heard her. (NAME REDACTED) was fully aware of her actions and she did not protest at all. (NAME REDACTED) left with us voluntarily.
The taxi cab ride to my apartment took roughly five minutes. During the ride, everyone was cheerful and talking. We asked (NAME REDACTED) if she had any friends who might want to come to our place and join us. I recall that she was calling some friends to come to our apartment.
Chris and I lived together in an apartment on the first floor of the Legacy Suites. After we arrived, (NAME REDACTED), Chris, Ron, and I went into my apartment.
Almost immediately upon our arrival, (NAME REDACTED) and I went into my bedroom. We were standing facing each other, kissing and touching each other’s bodies. I eventually asked (NAME REDACTED) if she would perform oral sex on me. She said that she would. The lights in my bedroom were on and (NAME REDACTED) willingly performed oral sex on me. While (NAME REDACTED) was performing oral sex, I was close enough to my dresser to reach over to it, open a drawer, and retrieve a condom.
(NAME REDACTED) and I also engaged in intense foreplay and heavy petting during the same period that she was performing oral sex. I was with her on the bed during foreplay and I may have ejaculated a small amount of semen onto her clothing. (NAME REDACTED) assisted me in putting on the condom. I stood on the floor with (NAME REDACTED) on the bed and we engaged in consensual sexual intercourse. After sometime in this position, we changed positions. I got on my bed on my back and (NAME REDACTED) got on top of me. (NAME REDACTED) conduct and other verbal expressions left no doubt that our sex was consensual.
I recall hearing Chris and Ron outside of my room. The door to my room was broken so the door could not close fully or be locked. At some point, Chris came into the room. (NAME REDACTED), who was still on top of me, saw Chris and told him to get out of the room.
Chris left voluntarily. Chris did not tell me to stop having sex with (NAME REDACTED). Chris did not do or say anything to try to persuade me to stop having sex with (NAME REDACTED). (NAME REDACTED) did not do or say anything to Chris to express or indicate that she was being forced to have sex with me. In fact, after Chris left the room, (NAME REDACTED) got up to close the door completely. I told her that the door was broken and did not close all of the way or lock. (NAME REDACTED) then turned the lights off and returned to me.
Thereafter, either Ron or Chris pushed the door open as a prank. (NAME REDACTED) asked me if there was any way we could have more privacy. I took her into my bathroom. While in the bathroom, we began to have consensual sex again and eventually concluded having sex. After we finished having sex, we stayed in the bathroom for a few minutes talking and she then indicated that she was ready to leave.
(NAME REDACTED) dressed herself. While she was dressing, I asked (NAME REDACTED) where she lived and she told me that her place was not far from mine. I also got dressed and we left my apartment and got on my scooter. (NAME REDACTED) sat behind me on the scooter and wrapped her arms around my waist. After a short ride, perhaps three to five minutes, we arrived at the curb in front of Salley Hall. When I stopped at the curb, (NAME REDACTED) got off the scooter, gave me a hug, and walked through the Salley Hall walkway to her dorm, Kellum Hall.
Other than asking Chris to leave the room, (NAME REDACTED) did not say or do anything to express or indicate that she was upset about anything that occurred before, during, or after consensual sexual activities. From the time I met (NAME REDACTED) at Potbelly’s to the time that I dropped her off at her dormitory, (NAME REDACTED) was fully aware of her surroundings and in control of all of her faculties. She was responsive and communicative. She had a pleasant personality and was fun to be with. During our consensual sexual interactions, (NAME REDACTED) engaged in sexual talk and took other actions that made it clear that the sex was consensual and that she was enjoying having sex with me. If (NAME REDACTED) did not want to have oral sex or intercourse with me, she was fully capable of expressing it to me, the taxicab drivers, the numerous students outside of Potbelly’s, Chris, and/or Ron. Had she done so, I would have stopped immediately.
Rape is a vicious crime. The only thing as vicious as rape is falsely accusing someone of rape. (NAME REDACTED) and her lawyers have falsely accused me, threatened to sue me, demanded $7,000,000 from me, engaged in a destructive media campaign against me, and manipulated this process to the point that my rights have and will continue to be severely compromised. (NAME REDACTED) and her lawyers’ public campaign to vilify me guarantees that her false allegations will follow me for the rest of my life.
Post by: Tommy on December 04, 2014, 09:06:27 AM
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Post by: bojanglesman on December 04, 2014, 09:19:27 AM
Obviously lawyers write these things for their clients, but they might as well just say "my client" instead of "I" in the wording.
"I may have ejaculated a small amount of semen onto her clothing."- bahahaha.....
Post by: Tommy on December 04, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
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Post by: IATA on December 04, 2014, 10:07:17 AM
my lawyer edited it and it was like 3 times as long and wasnt close to what i said.
Post by: bojanglesman on December 04, 2014, 12:08:39 PM
I had to write a similar letter when I beat up some kid in high school. I beat his derriere cause he liked to talk excrement, not because he liked dicks, as he claimed.He also sprinkled some mint in his yard and ran away.
my lawyer edited it and it was like 3 times as long and wasnt close to what i said.
Post by: IATA on December 04, 2014, 12:13:06 PM
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Post by: Cane on December 04, 2014, 04:09:50 PM
The chances that Jameis wrote that are equal to the Jets playoff chances this year. Pretty funny.
Obviously lawyers write these things for their clients, but they might as well just say "my client" instead of "I" in the wording.
"I may have ejaculated a small amount of semen onto her clothing."- bahahaha.....
My question is how long would it take him to read that? No wonder the hearing lasted two days.
Post by: ScotlandJet on December 07, 2014, 10:43:07 AM
I know I have been banging on about this for some time but I want this guy on the Jets next year so bad and I don't want to hear any nash from nae Sayers. This guy is our ticket to the promised land.
Woody- simple memo to Eydzik or our new GM. Get Winston. Time for a big time, big balls Steinbrenner move!
Post by: dcm1602 on December 07, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Another accomplished game from Jameis last night. Noles are set for another championship.
I know I have been banging on about this for some time but I want this guy on the Jets next year so bad and I don't want to hear any nash from nae Sayers. This guy is our ticket to the promised land.
Woody- simple memo to Eydzik or our new GM. Get Winston. Time for a big time, big balls Steinbrenner move!
You mean a Tannyesque move
Baseball was more about throwing a billion dollars at free agents
Tanny was about trading all our draft picks away
Post by: bojanglesman on December 07, 2014, 10:49:27 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 10, 2014, 11:51:02 AM
Post by: Cane on December 10, 2014, 05:39:21 PM
#1 recruit in the nation DE Josh Sweat commits to FSU. in related news, Cane's head just exploded.
My head would explode if they didn't get the #1 DE in the country. They have more 5 star DL than Rivals.com.
Post by: Badger on December 16, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 17, 2014, 12:42:52 AM
Post by: Badger on December 20, 2014, 02:19:54 PM
http://jabooloses.com/
90 days!
Post by: Heismanberg on December 21, 2014, 03:59:47 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on January 07, 2015, 08:59:34 AM
ESPN report: Jameis Winston's father says he will enter NFL draft. Possible No. 1 overall pick.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 03:12:38 PM
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 6m6 minutes ago
ESPN report: Jameis Winston's father says he will enter NFL draft. Possible No. 1 overall pick.
The studying and exams must have been too tiring for him. Unless he graduated early, not sure.
Post by: bojanglesman on January 07, 2015, 03:13:57 PM
The studying and exams must have been too tiring for him. Unless he graduated early, not sure.
I doubt he ever studied.
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 07, 2015, 03:29:52 PM
I doubt he ever studied.
You're ruining my faith in the student-athlete.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on January 07, 2015, 04:05:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 08, 2015, 09:27:22 AM
The studying and exams must have been too tiring for him. Unless he graduated early, not sure.
Jameis maintains a GPA above 3.0 at FSU, is part of the ACC all academic football team, and graduated high school with a 4.0.
I'm not not saying that's impressive since he probably has plenty of 'help' but the narrative that Jameis iz dumb is an overplayed one. He's an easy target because of the way he talks and acts out immaturely.
Post by: MBGreen on January 08, 2015, 03:09:48 PM
Post by: dcm1602 on January 08, 2015, 05:31:39 PM
I know much can change
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 08, 2015, 08:33:56 PM
What do you think the probability that Jameis lasts till 6 at this point?
I know much can change
the probability he slips shrinks the closer we get to the draft.
Post by: Coach K on January 09, 2015, 11:04:57 AM
I don't think Jameis gets past Tennessee in the 1st round.
Pretty much
Post by: Italian Seafood on January 09, 2015, 02:13:50 PM
He's an easy target because of the way he talks and acts out immaturely.
I put more stock in that than a person's grades, I always have. Especially a big time athlete, not that there aren't exceptions but they usually have easy classes and a lot of "help" as you mentioned.
Post by: ScotlandJet on January 13, 2015, 07:14:42 AM
I don't think Jameis gets past Tennessee in the 1st round.
I think you could be right but by the time the draft comes around the Jets are going to have to declare their interest and we will probably get raped to jump up and get him. We can't be sitting on our pick waiting for our hopes to be crushed.
With the raiders in the mix you have no idea how their going to go - they could have Andrew Luck at QB and still pick the top QB prospect!
Post by: MBGreen on January 13, 2015, 07:57:27 AM
I think you could be right but by the time the draft comes around the Jets are going to have to declare their interest and we will probably get raped to jump up and get him. We can't be sitting on our pick waiting for our hopes to be crushed.
With the raiders in the mix you have no idea how their going to go - they could have Andrew Luck at QB and still pick the top QB prospect!
So much can happen between now and Apr 30
Post by: Coach K on January 13, 2015, 08:34:17 AM
So much can happen between now and Apr 30
Well let's say for shits n giggles we pass on him at 6. Don't think he will be there.
But my draft experience will be sponsored by preparation H
I've already mentally made him unavailable and want Scherff. Peat, Cooper, or Adams
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2015, 08:37:03 AM
Well let's say for shits n giggles we pass on him at 6. Don't think he will be there.
But my draft experience will be sponsored by preparation H
I've already mentally made him unavailable and want Scherff. Peat, Cooper, or Adams
I assume by Adams you mean Parker.
Post by: Coach K on January 13, 2015, 08:38:48 AM
I assume by Adams you mean Parker.Rofl stupid Davantes . Brainfart
Davantes Inferno
The Jets rookie highlight film title if we draft aparker
Post by: IATA on January 13, 2015, 11:49:03 AM
Post by: Badger on January 13, 2015, 11:57:37 AM
why are we so certain tennessee dosent decide to build their line or wr corps and roll with mettenberger for a year or 2?
Because Chance Warmack has made their entire OL elite for the next decade.
Post by: Heismanberg on February 22, 2015, 04:27:54 PM
scum
Post by: Cane on February 22, 2015, 04:51:51 PM
I was more frustrated with the ridiculous claims that he was a Luck level guy and some super can't miss prospect. He's not, but he's as good a QB as there is in the class. In this draft with a lack of true stand out "elite" talent, he belongs up towards the top. It also made me very uncomfortable to dislike him, as I've never disliked a Florida state prospect before. They're all studs, even fake running backs like Karlos Williams.
Post by: Pope on February 22, 2015, 05:20:56 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on February 22, 2015, 05:41:49 PM
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Post by: WW85 on February 22, 2015, 06:19:07 PM
I saw some jackass on Twitter say that Joe Flacco is more athletic than Winston because of his 40 time.
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You love to quote the idiots that think Flacco is an athletic wonder.
Post by: Cane on February 22, 2015, 06:19:17 PM
I saw some jackass on Twitter say that Joe Flacco is more athletic than Winston because of his 40 time.They need to do that drill in Madden that tests pocket mobility. Shoot some foam nerf balls at Flacco and we'll see how mobile the tin man really is.
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Post by: Heismanberg on February 22, 2015, 06:22:45 PM
They need to do that drill in Madden that tests pocket mobility. Shoot some foam nerf balls at Flacco and we'll see how mobile the tin man really is.
I loved those drills/mini-games. My friend and I used to take turns trying to get the Gold reward on each one. I think that drill got you Steve Young.
The DB drill to get Prime Time was the most difficult because you had to intercept every pass to get Gold.
Post by: Johnny English on April 16, 2015, 05:09:25 PM
Post by: MBGreen on April 16, 2015, 05:20:25 PM
Post by: Tommy on April 16, 2015, 05:49:45 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 16, 2015, 05:58:57 PM
I don't know man. The NY media will eat him up.Who knows. He's certainly the better qb on the field.
Post by: Tommy on April 16, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 16, 2015, 06:43:07 PM
Is he a better prospect than Johnny football?
By far, but who cares?
Post by: Tommy on April 16, 2015, 06:46:13 PM
By far, but who cares?
Just saying, no ones a lock.
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 17, 2015, 07:23:20 AM
Post by: bojanglesman on April 17, 2015, 08:18:23 AM
I just don't want to be rooting for a serial rapist to lead my team for a decade+. We all condemn big Ben for the same thing.Did he plan multiple rapes out Darren Sharper style?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 17, 2015, 09:50:29 AM
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In assessing whether to charge Winston, any prosecutor has to reckon with two parallel stories that manage to correspond neatly and completely contradict each other at the same time.
The young woman’s story is dominated by impairment. Read the accounts she gave and those the officers took down the night of the alleged rape. Impairment is everything. She later told friends that she thought she hit her head at a party causing her to black out. Impairment caused her to leave Potbelly’s with Winston and his friends. Impairment led her to wake up into a rape. Impairment made it impossible to fight off the rapist. The impairment began and overwhelmed her while inside the bar at Potbelly’s. That’s crucial.
Her core narrative suggests someone gave her a roofie — or some equivalent — and then herded her into a cab when she was out of it. Then the rapist had his way with her back at his apartment. If you believe the rape happened, if you believe the young woman, this is the scenario you have to accept.
There’s one other hugely important element. At some point during the alleged rape, a young black man comes into the room where it’s happening to tell the rapist to stop — at which point the rapist moves to the bathroom to finish the rape.
That’s the core of the young woman’s story. Here’s the key excerpt from what she told the responding FSU police officer just 90 minutes or so after she said the rape occurred.
“After she consumed the shot she stated she couldn’t remember what happen [cq] next. She thinks she got into a cab with someone because they asked to see her student ID. The [accuser] stated she blacked out after that. The next thing she was able to recall was waking up on the floor of someone’s apartment. She knew she wasn’t at Potbelly’s but she couldn’t tell me exactly where she was. The next thing she remembered was being on a bed and a black male having penis to vagina intercourse with her. She stated she saw the door and another black male with dreads in his hair stand in the doorway while telling the other black male to stop what he was doing. The [accuser] stated she told the black male to stop but he replied it would be OK.”
People have discussed some inconsistencies and blank spots in her story. But, really, she told the guts of it pretty consistently in the documents I read.
FSU campus police got the call reporting the rape at 3:22 a.m. The incident itself seems to have occurred between 1:30 and 3. Police took the young woman straight to the hospital and underwent a rape kit about 4:40 a.m. That included drug and alcohol screenings. So the famous delay/suspension in investigating the case did not remotely apply to collection of physical evidence or to taking victim statements in the immediate aftermath. That’s also crucial.
The football players’ story: No impairment; no good samaritan; and Casher does the violating
And here is Winston’s story, as told by fellow FSU players Chris Casher and Ronald Darby. On advice of counsel, Winston has never talked about what happened. (Let me tell you clearly: I would not either. And were I his lawyer, I wouldn’t let my client talk — even if I was totally convinced of his innocence. Nor would I let Winston anywhere near the Title IX hearing they’ve scheduled for him.)
The accuser and her friends ran into Winston, Casher, and Darby at Potbelly’s. I saw no evidence in the record that they knew each other prior to this night.
Casher and Winston both flirted with the accuser; both get her phone number. Casher and Darby both said in sworn statements that the accuser seemed very interested in Winston and was eager to leave with the three men. Neither said she seemed impaired.
Here’s Casher’s statement about intoxication and leaving the bar:
“When Jameis Winston, Ronald Darby, and I decided to leave Potbelly’s the same blonde female that gave me her telephone number followed us out of the club. This same female wanted to leave with us in the cab and virtually invited herself. She was not intoxicated. She was able to have a conversation with us. She was not slurring or stumbling. She was using her cell phone to try and invite her friends to join us.”
Darby said the same thing with less detail.
Casher and Darby both said the young woman and Winston went straight to his room upon arriving at Legacy Suites apartments where they lived and quickly began having sex. How do they know? Because like the young woman, they both say there was an interruption. But it wasn’t an unknown samaritan saying stop, as the woman reported. It was Casher. This is how he described what he did and saw.
“Since the door was partially open, I looked through the opening and we could see her giving Jameis oral sex. They had only been in the room a few minutes before I witnessed her giving him oral sex. Jameis was facing the door with his hands on his hips while she was in front of him on her knees. I witnessed them both take each other’s clothes off and lay on the bed. Jameis and the blonde female began having intercourse. As a joke, I busted into the room to embarrass Jameis. The girl yelled at me, “get out”. She got up off the bed and turned off the light and tried to close the door. I could hear them continuing to have sex. She never indicated that she was not a willing participant. From what I saw she was a more than willing participant.”
In subsequent interviews, including one without a lawyer, Casher admitted trying to tape Winston and the woman with a cell phone and perhaps trying to see if he could join them. Neither Casher nor Darby’s statement indicates what Winston did or said when Casher came in — other than not inviting him to join. There’s just nothing.
In any event, there is your violation. It’s a real one, a humiliating one. Casher had a Title IX disciplinary hearing for it in May and got a year’s probation and one-game suspension. So the school accepts that this happened. Jimbo Fisher must accept that it happened.
So when Jimbo says, “I don’t want a victim to anything, but there is not a victim because there was no crime,” he’s clearly wrong.
I understand why he said it because he’s thinking about Winston. But I don’t believe anyone can say the young woman wasn’t victimized if Casher’s story is true. If you support Winston and believe Casher’s story, you must acknowledge that a set of circumstances and acts involving FSU football players violated and likely humiliated this young woman. The attempt to tape is almost certainly some level of crime. And Casher, it seems to me, is very lucky that he got off with what he did.
The problem for the young woman is that I see no indication that she acknowledges this violation happened. In fact her lawyer was very careful not to say anything about Casher after his Title IX hearing in May. I have searched and searched for any indication that she or her lawyers have ever acknowledged or condemned Casher’s story or behavior. I can’t find it. That isn’t to say it doesn’t exist. I just can’t find it. If you see it somewhere, please let me know.
The player stories and the woman’s story converge again when Winston gives her a ride home on his scooter. It seems likely the entire period at Winston’s apartment lasted less than an hour.
The young woman’s friends and physical evidence demolish her account of impairment
Thus, to decide that Winston raped this young woman based on her story, you have to believe her account of impairment. That also means you have to decide who tells a more credible story — her or the players.
Fortunately, you have help. You have her friends; and you have the very prompt toxicology screenings performed as part of the rape kit which was taken at 4:41 a.m. The rape/sex is thought to have occurred between 1:30 a.m. and 3 a.m., according to the reports.
The blood results showed no trace of any drug. She WAS NOT ROOFIED.
Her blood alcohol at 4:41 or so was .04. That’s half the legal limit for someone over 21 to drive.
Check out this line from the Florida DMV for context:
“Florida has a Zero Tolerance law for drivers under 21. This means that any driver under 21 that is stopped by law enforcement and has a blood alcohol level of .02 or higher will automatically have their Florida drivers license suspended for 6 months. The .02 limit really means that you cannot have a single drink and drive. And that’s the idea.” [My emphasis.]
The accuser is at .048 within two hours of the rape. To repeat, with her blood alcohol level two hours after the rape, the police would allow me to drive. And it wouldn’t be a close call.
Police officers talking to her at the hospital described her as “slightly upset and clearly able to communicate.”
In an incredibly telling detail I saw in the reports, lawyers for the young woman asked FDLE to reconfirm that the blood it checked was actually hers. They didn’t believe the results. And you can’t blame that on a Jameis conspiracy, because the accuser didn’t identify him until several days after her blood was collected.
OK, maybe the young woman has a weird metabolism that causes sudden spikes in impairment that go away just as quickly. And let’s grant that a rape would sober anyone. BAC and drug screenings produce abstract numbers. Let’s look at the visceral instead.
Let’s see what her friends told police about the period of time at the barwhen the accuser says she became impaired. It’s worth noting these statements came after the case was reopened during the 2013 season. Monique Kessler actually conferred with the accuser’s attorney before giving her statement, which proves very damaging to accuser’s story. Marcus Jordan told police he needed to confer with the accuser’s attorney; but I don’t know if he did. Here’s what both said about their friend’s impairment at the bar and at the time of her departure with the players.
Marcus Jordan:
Marcus recalled seeing [the accuser] around 11:30 p.m. and she was “drunk” but was not “that girl” drunk. He said it was not like she needed to go home. He said, “she was just like, happy.”
Monique Kessler
“Monique said she and [the accuser] continued to drink a little more but never got to a level where she felt they were intoxicated. She said [the accuser] did not seem drunk and “we all seemed fine.” At one point, [the accuser] showed Monique her phone and there was a text on it that said “meet me out front”. Monique knew the number was not programmed in [the accuser’s] phone because the number appeared in the display bar instead of a name that would be saved with it. [The accuser] looked at Monique and asked “should I go?” Monique replied, “you can go” and “within a few seconds” [the accuser] was gone…
“…Monique described [the accuser] as a person that does not consume a lot of alcohol. The night of the incident she recalled [the accuser] being fine and that’s why she was OK letting her go when she received the text.”
Both accounts are easily reconciled with those of Casher and Darby. They seem impossible to reconcile with this:
“After she consumed the shot she stated she couldn’t remember what happen [cq] next. She thinks she got into a cab with someone because they asked to see her student ID. The [accuser] stated she blacked out after that. The next thing she was able to recall was waking up on the floor of someone’s apartment.”
According to Google maps, Potbelly’s is 2 miles from Legacy Suites. A seven minute cab ride — six without traffic. When does this wave of impairment hit the accuser? No one but her ever saw it.
Here’s one other really important inferential point. I’m trying to avoid making inferential points, but I think it’s vital to make this one:
In reporting the rape, the accuser told at least two friends who were not with her at the bar that she might have been hit on the head at a party. One of them reported that she rubbed her head. That idea — a concussion-type event — sort of falls away into general impairment over the course of the investigation and morphs into the suggestion of a roofie. So here’s my inferential point: If you were reporting a rape based on impairment, and you knew friends and witnesses had seen you not impaired, how might you account for a sudden impairment?
Just mull that answer on your own. It’s not proof of anything. But she blames both a shot and a blow to the head for the impairment. We know the blow to the head didn’t happen because she had no outward injuries; and she didn’t report it to the doctor who examined her shortly after the rape.
Not meaningfully impaired
The totality of the physical and eyewitness evidence says clearly to me that the young woman is not telling the truth about her impairment. She was probably legally drunk, from a DUI point-of-view. But that’s not close to what she describes. Perhaps you can look at the data and come to a different conclusion. My conscience won’t let me.
Non-impairment does insurmountable damage to the young woman’s case on two levels:
1) Non-impairment completely eviscerates that fact record of her own story. Completely. You would have to start over again and come up with a different scenario.
2) It destroys her credibility as a witness in general and causes me to give much greater credence to Casher and Darby. If Casher’s account is true, Jameis Winston is legally guilty of nothing more than transactional sex with a willing partner and some caddish callousness. That’s nowhere near a crime.
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 17, 2015, 10:09:09 AM
Post by: Johnny English on April 17, 2015, 10:57:13 AM
Post by: Tommy on April 17, 2015, 11:03:53 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 17, 2015, 11:09:53 AM
How mature are we really expecting college aged guys to be? If you're banging a lot of chicks you're bound to come across a few crazies, or even one that would call rape. Law of averages I guess.
Plenty of high profile guys make it through College without getting accused of rape. I don't think you can just brush it off that easily.
Post by: Johnny English on April 17, 2015, 11:34:29 AM
How mature are we really expecting college aged guys to be? If you're banging a lot of chicks you're bound to come across a few crazies, or even one that would call rape. Law of averages I guess.
If you're the highest profile college athlete in the land you need to be aware of your situation. That he gave no thought to the risk of he and two of his teammates taking home a girl on her own and banging her shows a colossal lack of awareness and/or intelligence. Add that to the shoplifting and everything else and he's bad news for an NFL franchise, IMO. He might very well turn out to be a great player but the risk of bust is too high for me.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 17, 2015, 11:38:35 AM
I hope he didn't do it and I hope he goes #1 so we have no possibility of dealing with him.
this
Post by: Heismanberg on April 17, 2015, 11:39:35 AM
How mature are we really expecting college aged guys to be? If you're banging a lot of chicks you're bound to come across a few crazies, or even one that would call rape. Law of averages I guess.
This has nothing to do with maturity. The other stuff he did was immature and I didn't really have issues with any of it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 17, 2015, 12:21:26 PM
If you're the highest profile college athlete in the land you need to be aware of your situation. That he gave no thought to the risk of he and two of his teammates taking home a girl on her own and banging her shows a colossal lack of awareness and/or intelligence. Add that to the shoplifting and everything else and he's bad news for an NFL franchise, IMO. He might very well turn out to be a great player but the risk of bust is too high for me.
this incident occurred before he was starting QB at FSU. he was a highly lauded recruit though, and your point still stands.
Post by: Pope on April 17, 2015, 12:28:05 PM
I haven't seen her pic/name but I'd bet good money she's got a weave and 2 inch long stripper nails
Post by: Heismanberg on April 17, 2015, 12:30:32 PM
He didn't rape anyone it's just a Florida hoodrat looking for money/attention
I haven't seen her pic/name but I'd bet good money she's got a weave and 2 inch long stripper nails
she's white
Post by: Pope on April 17, 2015, 01:13:39 PM
I did Google her and they have a few pics together. I bet she just got wasted and he fucked her though.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 17, 2015, 01:22:01 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 17, 2015, 01:26:58 PM
Thankfully she was only a 9, otherwise JFIF would have some trouble on his hands.
Jameis got JFIF's sloppy seconds
Post by: Badger on April 17, 2015, 02:05:33 PM
she's white
Did she give Jameis a nickel to bust up her chiffarobe?
Post by: Heismanberg on April 18, 2015, 12:00:34 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 18, 2015, 02:23:40 PM
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Later, when asked by the judge overseeing the case about how Winston knew Kinsman was consenting, Winston said she did so "verbally and physically." When pressed to explain, he said, "Moaning is mostly physically. Well, moaning is physically. And verbally at that time, Your Honor."
oh
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 18, 2015, 02:47:16 PM
Did she give Jameis a nickel to bust up her chiffarobe?
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Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2015, 12:41:33 PM
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Former Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston, who is projected to be the first overall selection in the NFL draft, said during an appearance on ESPN's Draft Academy that he never stole crab legs last year and that they instead were given to him by a grocery store employee.
The former Heisman Trophy winner was issued a civil citation for shoplifting on April 29, 2014, after he walked out of a Tallahassee, Florida, supermarket without paying for $32 worth of crab legs and crawfish.
"How I'm supposed to handle, like, if I just got them for free? I just say, 'I just messed up?'" Winston asked Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh during ESPN's Draft Academy, which aired Tuesday night but was taped before the NFL scouting combine in February.
Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher said Jameis Winston's comment about receiving free food at a grocery store "was totally news to me" and was confident that it was an isolated incident. Rob Tringali for ESPN
When asked by Harbaugh to elaborate on the incident, Winston said it wasn't the first time he had gotten free food from an individual working at that store.
"Well, a week before, it was my buddy's birthday and we had got a cake. And we met a dude that worked inside Publix and he said, 'Hey, anytime you come in here, I got you.' So that day we just walked out and he hooked us up with that," Winston said.
"And when I came in to get crab legs, I did the same thing and he just gave them to me and I walked out. And someone from inside the store had told the security that I didn't pay for them. And that's how the whole thing started."
Asked during the ACC spring teleconference Wednesday about Winston's comments, FSU coach Jimbo Fisher said "it was totally news to me" and that the Seminoles' compliance department was looking into the matter.
"If he says it is, I guess it is," Fisher said of Winston. "I had no knowledge of it until I came in this morning. But FSU, we did make contact with Publix back then to make sure there was nothing going on."
Fisher was confident that the Winston incident was an isolated one.
"(FSU's compliance department) had communication about that before and have had communications today, and they think it's certainly an isolated incident that happened. They're in the process with working with it right now, so I don't think it's anything else more than that."
Shocker. Still dumb on his part, it's just annoying when people say "crab legs!!" as part of that narrative that he's a criminal mastermind.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 12:46:33 PM
Shocker. Still dumb on his part, it's just annoying when people say "crab legs!!" as part of that narrative that he's a criminal mastermind.
Did you watch it? Jim Harbaugh asked him to talk about his troubles or run-ins with the police. He didn't mention the Publix incident or the rape accusations. He only talked about getting in trouble for having a BB gun on campus. And then the cafeteria incident. Harbaugh asked him why he'd do something like that and if he was a sex addict. It was weird as hell.
It's almost like Winston is delusional though. Basically everyone that pays attention to football knows about his problems off the field. Why try to deny it when cameras are on you?
Jedd Fisch called him out for not bringing up the crab legs story and he got all defensive.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2015, 12:48:49 PM
Did you watch it? Jim Harbaugh asked him to talk about his troubles or run-ins with the police. He didn't mention the Publix incident or the rape accusations. He only talked about getting in trouble for having a BB gun on campus. It's almost like he's delusional.
Jedd Fisch called him out for not bringing up the crab legs story and he got all defensive.
Was it on ESPN? I saw the part where he scolded him for not talking about the crab legs incident.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 12:52:56 PM
Was it on ESPN? I saw the part where he scolded him for not talking about the crab legs incident.
It was on last night. It was just a really weird scene to me.
Winston talked about the cafeteria thing like it wasn't that big of a deal (and I don't think it is), but when Jedd Fisch told Harbaugh what he actually said "FHRITP", Harbaugh became kind of pissed and asked him why he'd do something like that.
Then he asked him if he'd ever been in trouble with police and he only talked about the BB gun. Fisch stopped him and was basically like: No, Jameis. Everyone knows about the crab legs. Why did you not bring that up? Coaches have done plenty of research on you. Even if it's not what it seems, you need to address.
Winston tried to act like he didn't do anything wrong at first, then went back to it.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
It was on last night. It was just a really weird scene to me.I can see why the FHRITP story would upset harbaugh. he probably has never seen the Internet video, and knowing everything else he does about Jameis it seems really inappropriate out of context.
Winston talked about the cafeteria thing like it wasn't that big of a deal (and I don't think it is), but when Jedd Fisch told Harbaugh what he actually said "FHRITP", Harbaugh became kind of pissed and asked him why he'd do something like that.
Then he asked him if he'd ever been in trouble with police and he only talked about the BB gun. Fisch stopped him and was basically like: No, Jameis. Everyone knows about the crab legs. Why did you not bring that up? Coaches have done plenty of research on you.
he needs to do a better job when talking about his past, for sure. He's pretty reluctant to talk about it other than to say he's changed and learned from his mistakes (canned response).
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 22, 2015, 01:27:37 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2015, 01:35:14 PM
His attitude reminds me of Suh who also seems completely in denial that he has ever done anything wrong in his life.
in regards to the rape and the rape only, I'm not sure what he should say. he was found innocent of any wrongdoing by the court and his university's code of conduct board. You can disagree with those institution's decisions, but if Jameis says he did something wrong here, doesn't that implicate that he was actually guilty?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2015, 01:39:24 PM
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Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston will not make a personal visit with the Jets, Dom Cosentino of NJ.com reported on Wednesday morning.
It had previously been reported that Winston would stop by the team facility in Florham Park, N.J. However, the two could not find a date that worked for both sides with the draft only eight days away. That's the only reason the pre-draft visit will not happen, Cosentino says.
This is not a big deal because it's unlikely Winston will last until when the Jets pick at No. 6. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are expected to select him with the top overall pick, and even if the pass on him, he will probably not make it out of the top five.
First-year Jets coach Todd Bowles has said he wants to pick up another quarterback. The Jets currently have Geno Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Matt Simms at that position, though none of the three have secured the starting spot. It appears there is a good chance New York would draft Oregon's Marcus Mariota if the first five teams on the clock do not select him.
GM Mike Maccagnan & Co. have demonstrated interest in Garrett Grayson (Colorado State), Bryce Petty (Baylor) and Brett Hundley (UCLA). They should all last beyond the first round and are potential options for Gang Green.
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 22, 2015, 02:01:17 PM
in regards to the rape and the rape only, I'm not sure what he should say. he was found innocent of any wrongdoing by the court and his university's code of conduct board. You can disagree with those institution's decisions, but if Jameis says he did something wrong here, doesn't that implicate that he was actually guilty?
I don't expect him to ever say anything about the rape. But did he really think that some random employee telling him he could just take excrement was legit?
The entitlement and refusal to acknowledge that he knew walking into a store and taking something without paying was wrong bothers me.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 03:02:24 PM
I don't expect him to ever say anything about the rape. But did he really think that some random employee telling him he could just take excrement was legit?
The entitlement and refusal to acknowledge that he knew walking into a store and taking something without paying was wrong bothers me.
Jimbo Fisher saying that it's the first he's heard of it being a gift is interesting too.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 03:04:22 PM
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"And when I came in to get crab legs, I did the same thing and he just gave them to me and I walked out. And someone from inside the store had told the security that I didn't pay for them. And that's how the whole thing started."
Someone inside the store told on him for shoplifting, but it wasn't his fault.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2015, 03:19:19 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
He was friends with someone in the store and they hooked him up with food. jimbo tried to deflect because he doesn't want some NCAA violation investigation into FSU players receiving free food. Simple as that.
It's still theft though. It doesn't matter if the dude gave it to him.
And Winston is obviously lying about it either way. Didn't he say he forgot to pay or something back when it happened?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2015, 03:41:56 PM
It's still theft though. It doesn't matter if the dude gave it to him.
And Winston is obviously lying about it either way. Didn't he say he forgot to pay or something back when it happened?
you are correct on both accounts.
Post by: Cane on April 22, 2015, 04:18:56 PM
Jimbo Fisher saying that it's the first he's heard of it being a gift is interesting too.
I'm sure Jimbo is just down right mystified about the whole situation.
Post by: Pope on April 22, 2015, 04:29:26 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 22, 2015, 04:32:56 PM
As a kid I've lifted all kinds of excrement from supermarkets and convenience stores. I wouldn't be concerned about it. The more troubling thing is the rape accusation but I still feel it was a case of two really drunk people freaking.
I actually wouldn't even be that concerned if he just owned up to it when caught. His reaction indicates he doesn't even think its wrong.
Post by: Pope on April 22, 2015, 04:34:36 PM
I actually wouldn't even be that concerned if he just owned up to it when caught. His reaction indicates he doesn't even think its wrong.I guess but if my friend worked in the supermarket deli and hooked me up with cold cuts and said not to worry about it I would probably walk out without thinking about it. I doubt he stuffed the crab legs in his pant pockets and tried to hustle out of the store.
Post by: Tommy on April 22, 2015, 04:38:32 PM
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 22, 2015, 04:48:34 PM
You both knew your friend didn't have the authority to give out free excrement when they told you to take it. You just assumed they knew that lay of land enough that you could leave without incident.
Post by: Cane on April 22, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 05:42:08 PM
Sshhhh guys. Stop thinking rationally. We all know that this makes Jameis into Satan.
hop off of his dick
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 22, 2015, 06:13:06 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 06:16:32 PM
Yeah, hop off his dick. Heismanberg wants a turn.
No, I'm waiting it out for David Carr's son.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 22, 2015, 06:17:32 PM
No, I'm waiting it out for David Carr's son.
Was expecting a Jared Goff joke. I am disappoint.
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2015, 06:17:34 PM
As a kid I've lifted all kinds of excrement from supermarkets and convenience stores. I wouldn't be concerned about it.
When I was a teenager I knew someone who was a cashier at a grocery store. When we got into his lane with a six pack he'd pretend to check my ID, then pretend to scan it, and I'd walk out with it.
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2015, 06:20:23 PM
I guess but if my friend worked in the supermarket deli and hooked me up with cold cuts and said not to worry about it I would probably walk out without thinking about it. I doubt he stuffed the crab legs in his pant pockets and tried to hustle out of the store.
IIRC it's on video, he just walks out casually with it in his hand.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 22, 2015, 06:22:37 PM
As a kid I've lifted all kinds of excrement from supermarkets and convenience stores. I wouldn't be concerned about it. The more troubling thing is the rape accusation but I still feel it was a case of two really drunk people freaking.
Had a friend with a stolen liquor business operating out of his trunk. Another friend and I would keep watch and he'd steal 4 or 5 bottles at a time before they put those freaking sensor things on the top. We would go from grocery store to grocery store to stock up and then sell at school. He eventually got caught because of root beer schnapps. Kids at my high school freaking love root beer schnapps, and it's pretty easy to notice when that keeps going missing.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 06:23:42 PM
IIRC it's on video, he just walks out casually with it in his hand.
http://deadspin.com/jameis-winstons-publix-story-is-garbage-1699527559#
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Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 06:31:59 PM
He eventually got caught because of root beer schnapps..
Did he pull a Randy Wagstaff and rat on you guys?
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 22, 2015, 06:37:21 PM
Did he pull a Randy Wagstaff and rat on you guys?
Nope. Dude was loyal. He went into the army and now works for the IRS stealing other people's money.
There were a few times in high school I could have been in semi-serious excrement with police and somehow didn't get in any trouble.
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2015, 06:53:38 PM
http://youtu.be/cONmzaT4x10
Post by: Cane on April 22, 2015, 08:30:26 PM
hop off of his dick
You forgot to quote Casher.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 08:34:10 PM
You forgot to quote Casher.
The POS that recorded it?
Post by: Cane on April 22, 2015, 08:44:21 PM
The POS that recorded it?
Oops, got Darby and Casher mixed up. I should have known better than to mess up the "facts" of the case with you.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 08:47:41 PM
Oops, got Darby and Casher mixed up. I should have known better than to mess up the "facts" of the case with you.
Oh, the same kid that told Jameis to stop raping the girl while Casher recorded it.
Post by: Cane on April 22, 2015, 09:39:19 PM
Oh, the same kid that told Jameis to stop raping the girl while Casher recorded it.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/22/411030af3e9abbd44361717a4bfdb3e8.jpg)
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2015, 09:41:24 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 09:43:18 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 22, 2015, 09:45:19 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 22, 2015, 09:47:21 PM
That is a fact. And it's also a fact that it's shady as hell.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 22, 2015, 09:51:11 PM
Casher told the police that he filmed it, deleted it, and then destroyed his phone.
That is a fact. And it's also a fact that it's shady as hell.
Yeah but still
Post by: Tommy on April 22, 2015, 09:54:06 PM
http://deadspin.com/jameis-winstons-publix-story-is-garbage-1699527559#
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Cool. I didn't think they still taught cursive.
Post by: Badger on April 22, 2015, 10:28:18 PM
Cool. I didn't think they still taught cursive.
We need to teach kids cursive so they can grow up to work the seafood counter at Publix.
Post by: Cane on April 23, 2015, 04:26:57 AM
And it's also a fact that it's shady as hell.
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Post by: Coach K on April 23, 2015, 06:46:42 AM
Post by: Badger on April 23, 2015, 06:54:33 AM
this thread is like a shitty episode of Law And Order SVU
Have you heard John Mulaney's bit about Ice T on Law and Order?
Post by: ukilledkenny on April 23, 2015, 07:18:22 AM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/23/b1038117cc97f5359b6588d679435639.jpg)
I'm sure Jameis really appreciates you vouching for his character. Maybe you can be his Geiger.
Post by: Coach K on April 23, 2015, 07:52:03 AM
Have you heard John Mulaney's bit about Ice T on Law and Order?yeah.
Jay Mohr has a funny one too
Post by: Cane on April 23, 2015, 11:21:54 AM
I'm sure Jameis really appreciates you vouching for his character. Maybe you can be his Geiger.
Just pointing out the absurdity of those who think they know enough about the case from the media coverage to make an informed decision about guilt or innocence. Sorry if you'd prefer the JO standard of groupthink.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2015, 11:27:12 AM
Just pointing out the absurdity of those who think they know enough about the case from the media coverage to make an informed decision about guilt or innocence. Sorry if you'd prefer the JO standard of groupthink.
It's Johnnie fuckin' Cochran.
The affidavit is media coverage? Oh, okay.
Please keep doing your best to defend these guys. Even when one admitted to recording what happened and destroying it.
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Later, when asked by the judge overseeing the case about how Winston knew Kinsman was consenting, Winston said she did so "verbally and physically." When pressed to explain, he said, "Moaning is mostly physically. Well, moaning is physically. And verbally at that time, Your Honor."
What an honorable person. Let me defend him some more because he's near the top of my rankings.
Post by: MBGreen on April 23, 2015, 11:27:16 AM
Just pointing out the absurdity of those who think they know enough about the case from the media coverage to make an informed decision about guilt or innocence. Sorry if you'd prefer the JO standard of groupthink.
bzzz bzzz?
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 23, 2015, 11:50:48 AM
It's Johnnie fuckin' Cochran.
The affidavit is media coverage? Oh, okay.
Please keep doing your best to defend these guys. Even when one admitted to recording what happened and destroying it.
What an honorable person. Let me defend him some more because he's near the top of my rankings.
usually females that perform oral sex are consenting. oh, but that's Jameis's account of the story, which can't be true.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2015, 11:55:22 AM
usually females that perform oral sex are consenting. oh, but that's Jameis's account of the story, which can't be true.
I'm not disputing that that part of this whole thing was consensual. Just because she blew him, doesn't mean she wanted him to freak her on a bathroom floor.
And it's become a lot harder to believe him lately. He's clearly lying about the crab legs to cover his derriere. This is a lot more serious.
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 23, 2015, 01:05:53 PM
I'm not disputing that that part of this whole thing was consensual. Just because she blew him, doesn't mean she wanted him to freak her on a bathroom floor.He's lying about the crab legs thing? I thought it was obvious from Day 1 that he had a hookup from Publix and something went wrong...
And it's become a lot harder to believe him lately. He's clearly lying about the crab legs to cover his derriere. This is a lot more serious.
Post by: MBGreen on April 23, 2015, 01:41:13 PM
Post by: Cane on April 23, 2015, 02:09:04 PM
I'm not disputing that that part of this whole thing was consensual. Just because she blew him, doesn't mean she wanted him to freak her on a bathroom floor.
And it's become a lot harder to believe him lately. He's clearly lying about the crab legs to cover his derriere. This is a lot more serious.
Despite the fact that perhaps every poster in the thread just commented that whenever they got hooked up with something they did the same thing Jameis did to not turn the guy in. HES A CRAB BURGLAR.
Post by: Coach K on April 23, 2015, 02:16:14 PM
Post by: Cane on April 23, 2015, 02:21:02 PM
It's Johnnie fuckin' Cochran.
The affidavit is media coverage? Oh, okay.
Please keep doing your best to defend these guys. Even when one admitted to recording what happened and destroying it.
What an honorable person. Let me defend him some more because he's near the top of my rankings.
As the guy who has been far and away the most realistic about Jameis and his weaknesses for the past two years, I think it's a bit silly to say I'm defending him because of rankings.
Post by: Cane on April 23, 2015, 02:24:44 PM
I could read this stuff all day
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Post by: Coach K on April 23, 2015, 02:32:59 PM
As the guy who has been far and away the most realistic about Jameis and his weaknesses for the past two years, I think it's a bit silly to say I'm defending him because of rankings.
Was actually going to point this out.
I'm not even jumping in this cause I've said all I have to say about the kid.
Post by: MBGreen on April 23, 2015, 03:08:47 PM
Post by: Tommy on April 23, 2015, 04:28:18 PM
I just fixed myself a nice, tall glass of NoXplode.
This guy thinks he can become a real warrior.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 23, 2015, 04:29:50 PM
As the guy who has been far and away the most realistic about Jameis and his weaknesses for the past two years, I think it's a bit silly to say I'm defending him because of rankings.
True
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2015, 06:37:07 PM
Despite the fact that perhaps every poster in the thread just commented that whenever they got hooked up with something they did the same thing Jameis did to not turn the guy in. HES A CRAB BURGLAR.
Every poster in this thread that received stolen property got caught stealing on surveillance cameras and lied to the police and the general public about what happened?
It's not the same. No one in this thread was even close to being in the same type of situation that Winston was in. He is under a microscope. I'm sure most people would refuse to rat and make something up to the police, but this isn't what he's doing now.
He was surrounded by cameras and came up with a completely different story. It's a definite character red flag to put in a pile with the others.
The shoplifting/receiving benefits and the cafeteria incident don't even really bother me, as I've said multiple times in this thread. The way that he's handled the criticism bothers me. He acts as if he is not at fault for anything. He could very well be like that with everything.
Post by: Cane on April 23, 2015, 07:02:14 PM
Every poster in this thread that received stolen property got caught stealing on surveillance cameras and lied to the police and the general public about what happened?
It's not the same. No one in this thread was even close to being in the same type of situation that Winston was in. He is under a microscope. I'm sure most people would refuse to rat and make something up to the police, but this isn't what he's doing now.
He was surrounded by cameras and came up with a completely different story. It's a definite character red flag to put in a pile with the others.
The shoplifting/receiving benefits and the cafeteria incident don't even really bother me, as I've said multiple times in this thread. The way that he's handled the criticism bothers me. He acts as if he is not at fault for anything. He could very well be like that with everything.
Now we have no idea which story is the truth, but it's not a red flag if he's now telling the truth instead of holding on to another story he came up with after he screwed up initially.
His problem all along has been with making the right decisions, on and off the field. That's been the case for two years. He desperately needs real structure, not Jimbo's playhouse.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 23, 2015, 07:09:34 PM
Now we have no idea which story is the truth, but it's not a red flag if he's now telling the truth instead of holding on to another story he came up with after he screwed up initially.
The red flag to me is that he withheld the information when Harbaugh asked him about it. When Fisch asked him about it, he basically said he didn't bring it up because it wasn't his fault.
It doesn't matter to me if he accepted the seafood or decided to walk out without paying on his own. It's a minor offense that an everyday person could make, which is apparent in this thread. My issue is that he's wrong either way and he doesn't think he is.
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His problem all along has been with making the right decisions, on and off the field. That's been the case for two years. He desperately needs real structure, not Jimbo's playhouse.
It's been the case for his entire career at Florida State. He didn't just become that way as soon as he set foot in Tallahassee. He's probably received preferential treatment for most of his life because of how talented he is.
Post by: Ignatius J Reilly on April 23, 2015, 07:34:46 PM
Post by: Cane on April 23, 2015, 09:35:35 PM
Maybe...just maybe...everyone in this thread has decided what to believe and is now so entrenched in that belief that he's just going to make every piece of the narrative prove his side, thereby making this whole exercise redundant and stupid.
It's really more of a "he's guilty" vs "nobody knows" thing.
I don't know anything for sure about his guilt or his handling of this whole situation. I do know he's made clear mistakes and that he needs better people around him guiding him than he's gotten throughout his life to this point, as E just pointed out.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 25, 2015, 09:29:23 PM
Post by: Pope on April 25, 2015, 09:40:42 PM
Post by: Coach K on April 26, 2015, 07:48:46 AM
It's all a bunch of he said she said bullshit
In the immortal words of poet laureate, Fred durst
Post by: Derek Smalls on April 30, 2015, 11:37:46 PM
Post by: Jumbo on April 30, 2015, 11:43:44 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2015, 09:13:54 AM
Post by: Tommy on May 01, 2015, 09:38:41 AM
Post by: ukilledkenny on May 01, 2015, 09:51:56 AM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 01, 2015, 10:06:11 AM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 01, 2015, 04:06:39 PM
His girl is hot.
2nd time in 2 days Tommy said a black chick is hot, for anyone keeping count.
Post by: Cane on May 01, 2015, 04:27:15 PM
Post by: Miamipuck on May 01, 2015, 11:00:11 PM
2nd time in 2 days Tommy said a black chick is hot, for anyone keeping count.
He needs some hot girls to clean his house.
Post by: Tommy on May 02, 2015, 09:08:33 AM
2nd time in 2 days Tommy said a black chick is hot, for anyone keeping count.
Good catch.
Post by: bojanglesman on May 12, 2015, 03:34:17 PM
"I think it's a consensus among FSU fans and boosters that he was an embarrassment to the University" - Bobby Bowden on Jameis Winston
Post by: Derek Smalls on May 12, 2015, 03:52:29 PM
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2015, 04:08:53 PM
They're keeping that title though.
They'll attribute it to Nick O'Leary.
Post by: Cane on May 12, 2015, 07:54:54 PM
Paul Finebaum@finebaum
"I think it's a consensus among FSU fans and boosters that he was an embarrassment to the University" - Bobby Bowden on Jameis Winston
Cmon Bowden. Laveranues Coles is still wondering how he got booted for shoplifting while Peter Warrick was playing for a national title three months later.
Post by: Heismanberg on May 12, 2015, 07:59:39 PM
Cmon Bowden. Laveranues Coles is still wondering how he got booted for shoplifting while Peter Warrick was playing for a national title three months later.
I hate Bobby Bowden, but Coles was dismissed because he had been in trouble before.
Post by: Badger on May 12, 2015, 08:03:55 PM
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Post by: bojanglesman on May 12, 2015, 09:30:45 PM
The magic of context:Awww, that's no fun. Dammit.
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Post by: AlioTheFool on May 13, 2015, 11:39:32 AM
The magic of context:
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Thanks for showing that. All I had seen was how Bowden "ripped" Winston, and all I could think was "Really nice, poopchute. Guy wins it all for you and you wait till he's gone a week to pee on his grave?"
Post by: Heismanberg on May 13, 2015, 11:41:31 AM
Thanks for showing that. All I had seen was how Bowden "ripped" Winston, and all I could think was "Really nice, poopchute. Guy wins it all for you and you wait till he's gone a week to pee on his grave?"
He didn't win anything for Bobby Bowden.
Post by: AlioTheFool on May 13, 2015, 12:13:22 PM
He didn't win anything for Bobby Bowden.
Ah, my bad. I have no idea who the coach is for FSU at this point then.
Post by: ukilledkenny on May 13, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
Ah, my bad. I have no idea who the coach is for FSU at this point then.
That's impressive just because how much Jimbo Fisher gets mentioned when people are talking about Winston.
Post by: Coach K on May 13, 2015, 08:12:18 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on November 04, 2015, 02:25:33 PM
Post by: steves850 on November 04, 2015, 02:47:29 PM
http://m.buccaneers.com/s/33201/embeddedVideoPath?itemUri=88711583/21387812015551213146512768
Yo link is broken.
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 08, 2016, 06:04:33 AM
1. Andrew Luck
2. Cam Newton
3. Jameis Winston
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2017, 09:50:03 AM
Post by: Heismanberg on December 29, 2017, 10:30:38 AM
3rd highest passer rating in NFL since week 9
He still has a lot of stupid turnovers and he acted like a little bitch at the end of the Carolina game.
Post by: sg3 on December 29, 2017, 11:10:55 AM
3rd highest passer rating in NFL since week 9Figures SFD loves him...
Post by: Badger on December 29, 2017, 12:26:33 PM
He still has a lot of stupid turnovers and he acted like a little bitch at the end of the Carolina game.SBTG
Post by: SixFeetDeep on December 29, 2017, 12:32:44 PM
He still has a lot of stupid turnovers and he acted like a little bitch at the end of the Carolina game.
This is also correct
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 01, 2018, 01:37:04 PM
Still a very flawed QB, but at least he’s showing signs of progression.
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2018, 02:45:10 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on January 01, 2018, 05:43:48 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on May 27, 2018, 09:17:20 PM
Post by: Badger on May 27, 2018, 09:52:24 PM
Post by: bojanglesman on September 19, 2018, 08:33:14 AM
Post by: Badger on September 19, 2018, 02:27:29 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on March 20, 2020, 10:42:37 PM
Just picked up some light reading for the quarantine
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 10, 2020, 01:36:55 PM
Post by: Heismanberg on April 10, 2020, 02:20:27 PM
https://twitter.com/jaboowins/status/1248410268620615681?s=21
No idea how that "drill" helps Jameis Winston in any way.
Post by: bojanglesman on April 10, 2020, 02:40:02 PM
No idea how that "drill" helps Jameis Winston in any way.Jameis Cage(https://media1.tenor.com/images/badf5da07847ff6575ddfc7849d34024/tenor.gif?itemid=5624945)
Post by: reuben on April 10, 2020, 03:08:02 PM
https://twitter.com/jaboowins/status/1248410268620615681?s=21
Keep your feet moving but stay in the same spot. Eyes on the rusher at all times. Pocket Presence.
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Post by: CatoTheElder on April 12, 2020, 04:30:57 PM
No idea how that "drill" helps Jameis Winston in any way.
I guess dodging hand swipes in the pocket?
Post by: d sw0rdz on April 12, 2020, 06:09:06 PM
I guess dodging hand swipes in the pocket?
helps dodging hand swipes from the girls he's trying to sexually abuse
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2020, 06:09:48 PM
No idea how that "drill" helps Jameis Winston in any way.
David Carr openly criticizing anyone on how to train for pocket awareness is the lol here
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 12, 2020, 06:10:53 PM
helps dodging hand swipes from the girls he's trying to sexually abuse
Joe Biden taking notes
Post by: Johnny English on April 12, 2020, 06:20:02 PM
David Carr openly criticizing anyone on how to train for pocket awareness is the lol here
To be fair that guy has seen more pressure from more different angles than pretty much any NFL QB ever. He still checks under the bed for Dwight Freeney before he goes to sleep.
Post by: Heismanberg on April 26, 2020, 08:15:31 AM
Post by: MBGreen on April 26, 2020, 09:58:31 AM
Jameis is signing a one year deal with the SaintsThe battles between the Saints and Bucs should be fun next season
Post by: insanity on April 26, 2020, 07:37:05 PM
Post by: SixFeetDeep on April 26, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
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